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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11078 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): | 05:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Prevent head tags from appearing twice in wobjects. | 05:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: prepareView sets the extra head tags. Have all wobjects, in their www_view method, | 05:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: tell processStyle not to set the extra head tags again. | 05:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11079 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Backporting duplicated extraHeadTags fix. | 05:22 |
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| elnino | what is wuc 2008's website? I'm trying to remember the dates for that event.... | 07:30 |
| elnino | never mind found it.. Thanks! Have a good night. | 07:31 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Hi guys | 17:46 |
| JohnRestrepo | got a question about the way webgui encrypt the passwords | 17:46 |
| JohnRestrepo | is this md5 128? | 17:47 |
| JohnRestrepo | or 64? | 17:47 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | JohnRestrepo: Digest::MD5 says it produces a 128 bit fingerprint. | 18:36 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11080 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add missing edit story and delete story icons in the view method of the Story Archive. | 19:39 |
| perlmonkey21 | If there a WebGUI standard way of finding all the subclasses of a class? | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if you mean like finding out that WebGUI::Asset::Wobject is a subclass of WebGUI::Asset | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | programmatically | 19:51 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: okay, I'll just stick a list somewhere. | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | would $obj->isa('Base::Class') do the job? | 19:52 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: no, I need a list to determine which object to create. | 19:53 |
| perlmonkey21 | Actually an edit list for the user to determine which class should be used. | 19:53 |
| perlmonkey21 | But it should be the sum total of all available subclasses, which makes sense to add them to a conf entry. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds good to me | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to take better notes | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I was doing some bugfixing in the StoryArchive | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and i noticed something else that I wanted to fix | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I wanted to keep the commits small and topical | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so I held off doing it right away | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | now I can't remember what it was | 20:06 |
| perlmonkey21 | where do you normally keep your notes? | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I use TomBoy on the desktop | 20:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11081 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 20:10 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add edit and delete icons to the Story Topic. Update tests. Adjust both | 20:10 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: sets of templates. Use the correct privileges for displaying the icons. | 20:10 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Help and i18n. | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it was important, too, dang it! | 20:10 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: heh, sweet, so do I. Very handy for quick notes. | 20:10 |
| perlmonkey21 | you ready for the F11 release? 8 more days :D | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping they fix some long standing bugs with my laptop, but it's a small hope | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | the microphone works on some releases, but not others | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if I cold boot my laptop without the power supply plugged in, the keyboard and mouse don't work 80% of the time | 20:13 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: same here. No problems with mics in F9, but F10 has been a pain. | 20:13 |
| perlmonkey21 | ouch. | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of puts the kink in portability | 20:13 |
| perlmonkey21 | what kind of laptop do you have? | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Dell Vostro 1510 | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | nice little box, aside from those issues | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | light and fast, nice display | 20:14 |
| perlmonkey21 | strange, i'm running a vostro 1700 without issue | 20:14 |
| perlmonkey21 | 64 bit install? | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 32 | 20:15 |
| perlmonkey21 | ah, I'm running 64 | 20:15 |
| perlmonkey21 | not sure why that would make a difference. | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | are all the vostros 64 bit machines? | 20:16 |
| perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: depends on the proc you got, but I'd imagine so if it is even kind of recent. | 20:31 |
| perlmonkey21 | I think some Vostro's were sold with Pentium M's for a while, but mine is one of the mobile dual cores with 64 bit archs. | 20:33 |
| @Haarg | perlmonkey21, what class were you wondering about finding subclasses of? | 20:34 |
| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: a new one that isn't in core. | 20:34 |
| @Haarg | if there is a time when you want a full list of subclasses, there is WebGUI::Pluggable::find | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey21 | Haarg: sweet, I'll play with that. Thanks. | 20:35 |
| @Haarg | well, sub namespaces really. subclasses could have any package name. | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey21 | yeah, I need subnamespaces :) | 20:35 |
| @Haarg | depending on what you are doing though, the config file may be a better idea anyway | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey21 | I just want the total list of classes which can be selected. Doing it programmatically just means one less place an admin can mess up :P | 20:36 |
| @Haarg | well, sometimes admins have reasons for removing some subclasses from being selected | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Ah! | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I remembered it | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | The Story Archive and Story Topic need to be labeled beta in the Admin Console | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | And several other Assets, too | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Map | 20:39 |
| @Haarg | are they beta quality? | 20:40 |
| @Haarg | the main reason we've done that in the past is because of things having lots of bugs | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought we just did that for stuff that was very new | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, Map and StoryManager are so new that hardly anyone has used them | 20:41 |
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| * perlDreamer goes running, before it gets too hot | 20:57 | |
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| @preaction | from what I can tell we don't need to label either (beta), as the Story Manager works great, and the Map is so simple that there isn't much there to break. | 22:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | it was already too hot | 22:57 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11082 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix Project Manager calling wrong method on right object. www_viewScreen now | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: uses mobile template if so enabled via calling processStyle. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11083 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File.pm File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm): Fix POD, and remove dead label/hoverhelp code which isn't used. | 23:23 |
| @preaction | i wonder if we can ask some of the i18n translators to start marking certain strings as duplicates of other strings | 23:29 |
| @preaction | so we can reduce the i18n size in webgui | 23:30 |
| @preaction | i mean, we've probably translated the word "Save" about a dozen times in all the files | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | easily | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the real problem is on our end | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard to lookup i18n | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so we end up just making new labels | 23:32 |
| @preaction | right, but if our i18n translation tool can make a report of what items are duplicates, we can then go in and quickly fix them | 23:34 |
| @preaction | ok: quick and urgent: How can I fix a single asset's (and descendants) lineage? it currently looks like this: 2TWIDU | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that cascadeLineage is what you want | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | fix the lineage of the parent, and then call that and it should ripple down and fix them all | 23:37 |
| @rizen | no | 23:37 |
| @rizen | use rebuildLineage.pl | 23:37 |
| @rizen | and see if you can find out what happened to screw up the lineage in that way | 23:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm File.pm): Backport POD and code cleanup for File and Photo | 23:38 |
| @preaction | if i use rebuildLineage.pl, what happens to all the things they have ordered by rank? they've got some apps that use rank extensively (navigations and collaborations) | 23:39 |
| @preaction | if they have to re-do it, and it's the only way, then that's the only way | 23:39 |
| @preaction | it looks like the lineage it wanted to be was already taken for some reason | 23:40 |
| @preaction | i've got an image, and i'll investigate later | 23:41 |
| @preaction | what if i replaced the "XXXXXX" with "000001999999"? | 23:42 |
| @preaction | that would put it under the root in a safe place then i could move it back to where it really supposed to be | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that will lock out any new assets from being added to that level | 23:42 |
| @preaction | then some other insanely high number will work | 23:43 |
| @preaction | the idea being that the number isn't in use, so it will fit | 23:43 |
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| @preaction | or i could just do what i did and setParent( $ROOT_ASSET ) | 00:06 |
| @rizen | if it has a rank that's usable | 00:07 |
| @rizen | then rebuildLineage will keep that rank | 00:07 |
| @rizen | things only lose their rank if they don't have a usable rank of any kind | 00:07 |
| @preaction | ahh | 00:07 |
| @rizen | such as in the case where a lineage looks like IDLJKLDJKLJDJKLJDKJDKLHJKDL | 00:07 |
| @preaction | right | 00:07 |
| @rizen | rebuildLineage.pl is as safe as it can possibly be for what kind of a tool it is | 00:08 |
| @rizen | just make sure you shut off the site while you run it | 00:08 |
| @preaction | oh, that'd be another problem | 00:08 |
| @rizen | so users don't try to move sutff while you are moving it | 00:08 |
| @preaction | but it doesn't take long | 00:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Don't make a 2nd i18n object. | 00:08 |
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| Mech422 | *sniffle* hello | 00:39 |
| Mech422 | not too close - don't want you to catch my cold | 00:39 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer1: ping? | 00:42 |
| perlDreamer1 | pong | 00:42 |
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| Mech422 | hey :-) | 00:43 |
| perlDreamer1 | howdy | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | Oh! perfect timing | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | rizen, PD - I ran some more testing this weekend | 00:43 |
| @rizen | k | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | is it possible changes in wre caused IM breakage? | 00:43 |
| @rizen | you mean something other than IM itself? | 00:44 |
| Mech422 | I can run the test suits for both IM and PerlMagic without issue | 00:44 |
| Mech422 | rizen: yeah... | 00:44 |
| @rizen | me too | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | the test suites are not extensive though | 00:44 |
| @rizen | and image magick in general works | 00:44 |
| @rizen | it just doesn't work for graphing | 00:44 |
| @rizen | with our graphing api | 00:44 |
| Mech422 | Would it be possible to expand PD's test case to get more debugging info ? | 00:45 |
| Mech422 | rizen: oh - I got 9.3 snapshot from friday building on amd6 | 00:45 |
| Mech422 | rizen: need to talk about re-jiggering the build stuff as I had to build/patch a lot of stuff by hand | 00:45 |
| @rizen | oh wait, are you talking about pD's test suite, or image magick's test suite? | 00:46 |
| Mech422 | rizen: IM test suit passes, PD's doesnt' | 00:46 |
| @rizen | right | 00:46 |
| perlDreamer1 | Mech422, didn't you find that IM in WRE was built without graphics or fonts? | 00:47 |
| perlDreamer1 | no png, no jpeg, no truetype? | 00:47 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer1: yeah - the build is just generally horked | 00:47 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer1: half the stuff gets built with the system libtool, then we build a libtool, but don't put it on the $PATH... | 00:48 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer1: I gave up and just rebuilt stuff by hand to make sure all the right pieces were picked up | 00:48 |
| perlDreamer1 | can we diff the master build scripts between 0.9.1 and 0.9.3 to see what's changed? | 00:49 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer1: these look a lot different then the 'stable' build script - I think it might have been a re-write | 00:49 |
| perlDreamer1 | you know I'm WRE ignorant, so please forgive the next question. Can the old 0.9.1 build script be used on the 0.9.3 versions of software? | 00:50 |
| @rizen | no | 00:50 |
| Mech422 | I'd actually like to just re-write the build scritps - it shouldn't take more then a couple of hours | 00:51 |
| @rizen | version number incompatibilities everywhere | 00:51 |
| @rizen | mech422 wtf would you want to do that | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer1 | Mech422, but isn't a rewrite the problem that got us here in the first place? | 00:51 |
| Mech422 | rizen: cuz it would take longer to fix the existing stuff ? | 00:51 |
| @rizen | whenever i here "rewrite" about anything, i assume the person is ignorant or obtuse | 00:51 |
| Mech422 | rizen: don't assume | 00:51 |
| @rizen | you assume there is something wrong with the current ones | 00:52 |
| @rizen | they build just fine on all of my platforms | 00:52 |
| @rizen | save image magick | 00:52 |
| @rizen | and even image magick works | 00:52 |
| @rizen | except for poll charts | 00:52 |
| Mech422 | rizen: no - I know there is something wrong with them - did you ever _read_ the build output ? | 00:52 |
| @rizen | of course i did | 00:52 |
| @rizen | i wrote the damn build script | 00:52 |
| Mech422 | rizen: so why is libtool built half way thru the chain, then not used ? | 00:52 |
| @rizen | it isn't, on my boxes | 00:53 |
| Mech422 | its should either be build _first_ and _used_ or not built at all ? | 00:53 |
| Mech422 | it isn't ?? are we talking about 9.3 ?? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | if you have a proposal for making something better, explain what will be better about it | 00:54 |
| @rizen | beyond that, telling me you're going to rewrite something isn't useful in the least | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | what do we get by rewriting it | 00:54 |
| Mech422 | rizen: first off - you should check your build and see if your seeing what I see... | 00:55 |
| Mech422 | otherwise there are bigger issues | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer1 | Mech422, and are you able to run some unaltered scripts on a 32-bit box to double check? | 00:55 |
| Mech422 | pd - not on 32 - dont' have one handy... | 00:56 |
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| Mech422 | but surely someone has a 32bit box they can >& | tee the build log too ? | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | mech422, what distro are you using? | 00:57 |
| Mech422 | but I'm seeing stuff like: stuff being built and not used, system libs being used instead of wre custom libs, libraries not being found | 00:57 |
| Mech422 | haarg: I'm on debian lenny | 00:57 |
| @rizen | SynQ2 builds on lenny | 00:57 |
| @rizen | 32 bit | 00:57 |
| @rizen | he also hasn't reported what you['re seeing | 00:58 |
| @rizen | he may not have looked | 00:58 |
| @rizen | don't know | 00:58 |
| @rizen | but he can compile cleanly | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI1, SynQ2: ping | 00:58 |
| Mech422 | ok - in the original build.sh I have from friday - if you grep for 'libtool' - does it show up ? | 00:59 |
| Mech422 | should be in buildUtils - also readline is in there... | 00:59 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying it doesn't build libtool | 01:00 |
| @rizen | i'm saying it uses it after it builds it | 01:00 |
| @rizen | how do i know? | 01:00 |
| @rizen | cuz if i take it out | 01:00 |
| @rizen | then stuff stops building | 01:01 |
| @rizen | i could be more precise than that | 01:01 |
| @rizen | but i don't have a build log in front of me just now | 01:01 |
| @rizen | one thing i know that uses it, is image magick | 01:02 |
| Mech422 | ok - lets say I'm mistaken and it is being used - should it be used for _all_ the wre libs and not just some of them (ie shouldn't it be built first?) | 01:02 |
| @rizen | it actually shouldn't matter as far as i'm aware | 01:03 |
| @rizen | we've been running the wre for 5 years now like this, and it works | 01:04 |
| @rizen | is it a bad practice | 01:04 |
| @rizen | maybe | 01:04 |
| @rizen | don't know | 01:04 |
| @rizen | all i really care about is that shit works | 01:04 |
| Mech422 | so if it shouldn't matter - why build it ? | 01:04 |
| Mech422 | it just adds time and space ? | 01:04 |
| @rizen | i just told you | 01:04 |
| @rizen | image magick won't build if you don't build it | 01:04 |
| Mech422 | you just said it shouldn't matter ? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | every single thing in the wre is in there for a reason | 01:05 |
| Mech422 | ok then.. | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i said it didn't matter if EVERYTHING was built using that lib tool | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i didn't say libtool didn't matter | 01:05 |
| Mech422 | so wouldn't it be a good thing if openssl was built with the same libtool that apache and mysql are ? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | i don' tknow, would it? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | and if so, why would it | 01:06 |
| @rizen | and why should i care if it works? | 01:06 |
| @rizen | is it faster? | 01:06 |
| @rizen | smaller? | 01:06 |
| @rizen | better in some measurable way? | 01:06 |
| Mech422 | because linking stuff with different options can cause bad things to happen | 01:06 |
| Mech422 | libtool sets the options used to create shared libraries and such | 01:07 |
| Mech422 | creating libs with different sets of options can be very bad | 01:07 |
| @rizen | could you be more specific | 01:07 |
| @rizen | "bad things" is too vague | 01:07 |
| @rizen | what kind of bad things | 01:07 |
| Mech422 | ok - it could break on 64bit stuff :-P | 01:07 |
| @rizen | it could, or does? | 01:08 |
| Mech422 | you could be mixing -O levels, symbol manginging C vs C++ calling conventions | 01:08 |
| Mech422 | rizen: I dont _know_ - I just don't do that | 01:08 |
| Mech422 | rizen: I don't play with fire to see how many types of burns I can get | 01:08 |
| @rizen | then you and i are just 2 idiots stumbling around in the dark it sounds like | 01:09 |
| Mech422 | oh god | 01:09 |
| @rizen | i don't know | 01:09 |
| @rizen | you don't know | 01:09 |
| Mech422 | you seriously are gonna say you don't know if thats a bad idea ? | 01:09 |
| @rizen | i'm not trying to piss you off | 01:09 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to understand | 01:09 |
| @rizen | and to be educated, i'm not going to educate myself with someone else's gueses | 01:09 |
| Mech422 | and would use C extensions created for perl 5.8 (blibs or whatever) in a perl 5.10 environment without recompiling them ? | 01:10 |
| @rizen | i've already said i don't know if it's a bad idea. all i know for sure is that it works. | 01:10 |
| @rizen | who's doing that? | 01:10 |
| @rizen | not me | 01:10 |
| Mech422 | noo - but your happy to do it with C code (via libtool) | 01:11 |
| hansw | guys, seeing you having this discussion, a question rises here, will webgui run on parrot? :-) | 01:11 |
| @preaction | hansw: not presently, because perl5 does not run on parrot | 01:11 |
| @rizen | hansw: no, because there is no perl5 build for parrot | 01:11 |
| hansw | I did type a smiley :-) | 01:11 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i'm happy to change the order and see if it still compiles, if that's what you're trying to get at. | 01:12 |
| hansw | ok, time to get some sleep, maybe even work on webgui tomorrow, night all | 01:12 |
| @rizen | all i'm saying, and all i've been saying this entire time is that build.sh is a known quantity. it does work, and has worked for more than 5 years | 01:12 |
| @rizen | night hansw | 01:13 |
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| Mech422 | rizen: comment it out on a box that has libtool installed... and see if it builds | 01:14 |
| Mech422 | rizen: my box _has_ libtool already, and thats was gets used | 01:14 |
| Mech422 | (unless I totally missed something) | 01:14 |
| @rizen | all of the boxes that i compile on already have libtool | 01:15 |
| Mech422 | rizen: Hmm - I could go into the IM dir and make configure but thats gonna get my system libtool | 01:15 |
| @rizen | and i already know it won't work | 01:15 |
| @rizen | libjpeg it turns out is the thing that won't build on my system without libtool | 01:16 |
| Mech422 | rizen: and I don't see where /wre/prereqs/bin is added to $PATH to pick up the wre libtool | 01:16 |
| @rizen | setevnironment of course | 01:16 |
| @rizen | line 692 | 01:16 |
| @rizen | calls set environment | 01:16 |
| @rizen | setenvironment.sh | 01:17 |
| @rizen | this is the very first line of setenvironment.sh | 01:17 |
| @rizen | export PATH=/data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:$PATH | 01:17 |
| Mech422 | Ahh... | 01:19 |
| Mech422 | that I didn't know/see/find | 01:19 |
| Mech422 | in that case - moving libtool up to be one of the first things built would ensure the same tool is used for all libs | 01:21 |
| Mech422 | I needed these: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2c11d28a options for the freetype compile | 01:24 |
| Mech422 | and these options for image magick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m11c1d060 | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | using --with-gnu-ld I didn't need the LD=ld thing - not sure if that was for a specific platform or something | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | $SSLCFGOPTS ./config --prefix=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs shared; checkError $? "o | 01:26 |
| Mech422 | penssl configure" | 01:26 |
| Mech422 | that won't work in bash | 01:26 |
| Mech422 | its only enabled on 64bit builds - but $SSLCFGOPTS won't expand the way you think it will | 01:27 |
| Mech422 | has to do with funky bashisms - I spent an hour on #bash trying to find how to make it work and just coded around it | 01:27 |
| @rizen | i don't mean to sound ungrateful, but could you send me an email with this stuff or better yet, put it right into build.sh | 01:27 |
| @rizen | rather than typing it all into IRC | 01:27 |
| @rizen | i am working on fixing the current image magick problem, not concerning myself with 64 compile problems right at the moment | 01:28 |
| Mech422 | rizen: yeah - I ran the complete webgui test suite, the IM test suite adn the Perlmagic test suite | 01:29 |
| Mech422 | I'd guess the problem is something in wre changed how it works with IM - IM, PM, and everything else wre seem fine | 01:29 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer has the logs from the test suite run | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the last test suite run said that IM was pretty broken, Mech422. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Storage/Image and several other tests had failures | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you haven't sent me logs from the latest and greatest 64-bit compile | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | Umm - yeah, we know IM is broken in wre | 01:31 |
| Mech422 | or did those test pass for rizen ? | 01:31 |
| @rizen | how do you do the equivalent of "svn export" in git | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | from a remote repository or a local one? | 01:32 |
| @rizen | i have the repo locally, but i don't care, any way will o | 01:33 |
| @rizen | do | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | i haven't actually done that so i'd have to look | 01:33 |
| @Haarg | git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/destination/path/ | 01:34 |
| @Haarg | i'm sure the extra options and obtuse command name will win your favor | 01:34 |
| @rizen | yeah, gotta love git's user friendliness | 01:36 |
| @rizen | how the hell is anybody ever supposed to remember that | 01:36 |
| @Haarg | hah | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | better than the export command i have in my .gitconfig | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | git archive --format=tar HEAD | (mkdir -p $0 && cd $0 && tar xf -) | 01:38 |
| @rizen | not really | 01:39 |
| @rizen | the one you just gave me works | 01:39 |
| @rizen | sorry, i mean doesn't work | 01:39 |
| @rizen | no error | 01:39 |
| @rizen | just returned to the command line | 01:39 |
| @rizen | nothing happens | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | you are in the local git repo's directory? | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | it did work for me when i just tried it | 01:40 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:41 |
| @rizen | figured it out | 01:43 |
| @rizen | if you don't put a / at the end of your prefix | 01:44 |
| @rizen | then it prepends the prefix to all the folder name | 01:44 |
| @rizen | s | 01:44 |
| @rizen | i did: git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/tmp/wrebuild | 01:44 |
| @rizen | and ended up with wrebuildsbin | 01:44 |
| @rizen | wrebuildt | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | useful | 01:44 |
| @rizen | yeah | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | would be nice if they had a porcelain command for that | 01:45 |
| @rizen | would be nice if git didn't suck so much. =) | 01:45 |
| @rizen | just kidding haarg. what are you doing with that gun. | 01:45 |
| @rizen | put it away | 01:45 |
| @rizen | this is not the time or place | 01:45 |
| @rizen | noooooooooooooo!!!! | 01:45 |
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| @rizen | luckily for me i have 94 lives | 01:46 |
| @Haarg | yeah, and i only have one accurate bullet | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | 94 rizens on wall | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | 94 rizens | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | take one down and shoot it! | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | 93 rizens on the wall | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | this is going to take a long time | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | foreach (reverse 1..93) { sprintf "%d rizens on wall\n%d rizens\ntake one down and shoot it!\n%d rizens on the wall\n", $_, $_, $_-1} | 01:50 |
| @Haarg | sprintf? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't want it to actually run | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | or were you suggesting that I run something in Template::Toolkit instead? | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | you are too nice | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, also practical | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this channel is logged | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and if rizen is found with 93 bullet holes, it'd look suspicious | 01:53 |
| Mech422 | rizen: could you check it t/Asset/File/Image.t passes on your build please ? | 02:00 |
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| @rizen | have you ever noticed that both the world and IRC continue moving even when you're not there | 02:29 |
| @rizen | Mech422: no i cannot. i'm rebuilding the wre right now | 02:29 |
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| @preaction | yep | 02:29 |
| @preaction | i found the problem: AssetManager called setRank, but setRank failed somewhere. writing some tests to make this not happen again | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | there are some setRank tests in AssetLineage | 02:33 |
| @preaction | with full coverage. of course. | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:34 |
| * perlDreamer is shamed | 02:34 | |
| @preaction | i'm looking at it right now, full coverage. the 0 up there is POD | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that can't be possible | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't test for max rank? | 02:35 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rad7ad52 / (4 files in 2 dirs): changing image magick version to -10 - http://bit.ly/10onbn | 02:35 |
| @preaction | i think that's what cascadeLineage checks | 02:35 |
| @rizen | hey! somebody updated CIA to support git | 02:35 |
| @preaction | yup ;) | 02:35 |
| @preaction | and the git support is far faster than the svn support | 02:35 |
| @rizen | nice job preaction | 02:35 |
| @rizen | apparently | 02:35 |
| @preaction | oh, i think it was haarg | 02:35 |
| @rizen | oh well good job haarg then | 02:36 |
| @preaction | but anyway, i'll write tests for the AssetManager then, because that is what calls set rank and blows things up | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you can setRank to anything you want in the world | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing that checks is getNextChildRank | 02:38 |
| @preaction | it's a necessary feature right now though | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it is? | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | what if I setRank to xxyyzz7 | 02:38 |
| @preaction | because the way setRank works, it sets one asset to a randomly generated GUID string, then does the swap | 02:39 |
| @preaction | since the GUID has no chance of being "00001", it won't show up while the work's being done | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 02:39 |
| @rizen | the rank is never set to a guid | 02:39 |
| @rizen | the url is | 02:39 |
| @preaction | the lineage is set to a random string so that we can move things around | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, it's 906 in AssetLineage | 02:40 |
| @preaction | problem is, setRank seems to get halfway through and then stops. and i think it's because multiple ranks are getting changed during the same request (something we've never allowed until the new asset manager) | 02:40 |
| @rizen | that's dumb | 02:41 |
| @rizen | i'm stupid for doing that | 02:41 |
| @preaction | eh, it works. though it could be anything like 000002 or 000005 | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | those are valid GUID substrings | 02:41 |
| @preaction | it also ensures that during the operation (which could be long), the assets don't show up anywhere | 02:42 |
| @preaction | so it's part of being thread-safe | 02:42 |
| @rizen | yeah, but we could do 000000 as a prefix | 02:42 |
| @rizen | that's a root that doesn't exist | 02:42 |
| @rizen | because the root is 000001 | 02:43 |
| @rizen | that would also ensure the same thing | 02:43 |
| @rizen | but would still be a valid lineage | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but what if two people move things in the asset manager at the same time? | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, that's rare | 02:43 |
| @rizen | you either generate a random number or an incrementer after the prefix | 02:44 |
| @rizen | 000000 000001 | 02:44 |
| @rizen | or 000000 030394 | 02:44 |
| @preaction | what if we use the tempspace folder? that way if the setRank dies for some weird reason, it's easier to recover while we investigate what caused it | 02:44 |
| @rizen | "000000" . sprint("%06d", rand(999999)) ought to work nicely | 02:45 |
| @rizen | sprintf that is | 02:45 |
| @rizen | we could also use tempspace | 02:46 |
| @rizen | that's valid | 02:46 |
| @rizen | just know that if it gets left in there for 6 hours | 02:46 |
| @rizen | it will be deleted | 02:46 |
| @rizen | actually it may not even be 6 hours | 02:46 |
| @rizen | i don't remember how long the timeout is | 02:46 |
| @rizen | i think it's 6 hours | 02:46 |
| @preaction | okay, maybe not so good. 000000 better | 02:46 |
| @rizen | but it might just be 1 | 02:46 |
| @preaction | it's easy to write a little script that moves the asset from 000000 to 000001 | 02:46 |
| @preaction | in fact, that's how i fixed the client site | 02:47 |
| @preaction | it works even with X#HN$S | 02:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 02:54 |
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| Mech422 | stupid question... | 03:26 |
| Mech422 | has the hash dir handling for uploads changed in 9.3 ? | 03:26 |
| Mech422 | according to the Poll.t test, its looking for : | 03:27 |
| Mech422 | /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c/6c3cf96d57c7b3287dcbe706d38bc270/po | 03:27 |
| Mech422 | llck6chzI-35vvpv-k0WfsDA.png | 03:27 |
| Mech422 | but /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c doesn't _exist_ ?? | 03:27 |
| @preaction | is there an error in the webgui.log file? perhaps about not being able to create the temp/6c directory? | 03:29 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r5555a5a / (5 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked survey files from master - http://bit.ly/vaDDp | 03:29 |
| Mech422 | preaction: which log would that be? all I can find is the access log ? | 03:33 |
| @preaction | the webgui log should be in /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log | 03:33 |
| Mech422 | wow - now the whole /temp is gone... I wonder if the test harness creates that ? | 03:34 |
| @preaction | yes, it's a temporary storage location | 03:34 |
| @preaction | it should clean itself up | 03:35 |
| @preaction | this is now the third bug i have to "fix" that i can't reproduce: Somehow a user can screw up a large portion of the site's lineage from the web interface | 03:35 |
| * perlDreamer has a guess on how to reproduce | 03:38 | |
| @preaction | big, slow site? | 03:38 |
| @preaction | and a user submitting content while the lineage is being cascaded? | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps, I was more thinking that the "random" GUID actually clashed | 03:38 |
| @preaction | not possible, there were no errors in the logs | 03:39 |
| @preaction | it's like the process just stopped halfway through | 03:39 |
| @preaction | i checked for duplicate key errors, none | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it would fail before making a duplicate lineage | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | since the column is marked as unique | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would throw an error into at least apache error log | 03:40 |
| @preaction | right, it would fail hard with a DUPLICATE KEY mysql error, which would be a fatal and would go all the way into the modperl log | 03:41 |
| @preaction | well, in theory | 03:41 |
| @preaction | but it's happened more than once on this site, and it has never happened to my knowledge on any other site | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's so special about this one site? | 03:43 |
| @preaction | it's the Alumni site | 03:43 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 03:43 |
| @preaction | it's got a huge number of users, it's got 65,000 assets | 03:43 |
| @preaction | the thing they were changing was a huge section, timed out actually (but still completed when I did it) | 03:44 |
| +perlDreamer | where do mysql errors get logged? | 03:45 |
| @preaction | webgui log and modperl log (since they're fatal) | 03:45 |
| @preaction | checked both, nothing fatal in either | 03:45 |
| +perlDreamer | where do the mysql daemons themselves log? | 03:45 |
| @preaction | didn't check that | 03:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just wondering how it would react to having mysqld go away in the middle | 03:46 |
| @preaction | poorly | 03:47 |
| @preaction | but last time mysql was restarted was 090527 | 03:47 |
| @preaction | 5 days ago, when there were some other problems that required restarting it | 03:47 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r4e2690e / (build.sh getperlmodules.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): | 03:49 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: added Test-Harness-3.17 | 03:49 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: repositioned libtool to go first in build sequence - http://bit.ly/sFWQe | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Test-Harness 3.17! | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yes! | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, you're awesome | 03:49 |
| @rizen | i'm welcome? | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, come on over anytime | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll even pick you up at the airport | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of making you ride the max like when khenn comes to visit | 03:50 |
| @preaction | OH! What if while ONE setRank is running, another setRank gets run for that same asset? | 03:51 |
| @preaction | the Proxy Error shows up, BUT the setRank keeps running (mod_perl process keeps going anyway) | 03:51 |
| @preaction | or maybe the proxy error actually stopped the setRank from continuing | 03:52 |
| * preaction is reading the client's report. | 03:53 | |
| @preaction | i love the alumni group. they give us detailed reports, they don't leave out information, they don't make us ask a billion questions | 03:53 |
| +perlDreamer | do they answer questions on bug reports? | 03:53 |
| * perlDreamer has been waiting two weeks for a reponse from one user | 03:54 | |
| @preaction | yep, usually right away even | 03:54 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 03:54 |
| @preaction | they test thoroughly, usually coming up with corner cases nobody ever thought of | 03:54 |
| @preaction | they are in almost every way a perfect client | 03:54 |
| @preaction | there needs to be a mechanism where we can take these long-running process and make spectre or something non-user do them | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 03:55 |
| @preaction | a way to just quick build a workflow, run it, and have it delete itself | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and then notify the user via their inbox that they are done | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | like assetExport | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | or the editBranch | 03:56 |
| @preaction | or if we add some way to version lineage and be able to undo, the commit would be handled by spectre | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | not if it runs in realtime | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | which is the default | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can have it check for a timeout | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and pick up in the right place | 04:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's easy enough | 04:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, off for daddy time now | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | be back later | 04:06 |
| @rizen | later | 04:09 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11086 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm): Remove multiple delete buttons for photos in the Story. Ala GalleryFile/Photo. | 04:52 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r77b0080 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js : | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: are used (max,min,step all undefined) - http://bit.ly/PCrH2 | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r382c5e0 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js : | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Switched from document.getElementsByClassname to | 04:53 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: YAHOO.util.DOM.getElementsByClassName - http://bit.ly/ucW5r | 04:53 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11087 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey Date question type server-side validation, and made | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: all validation messages generate debug output | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11088 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: are used (max,min,step all undefined) | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11089 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Switched from document.getElementsByClassname to | 05:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: YAHOO.util.DOM.getElementsByClassName | 05:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: is there a pastebin that lets you upload a file as paste contents? | 05:39 |
| @preaction | i don't know, i don't think so | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I use the nopaste program that Haarg told me about | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | App::Nopaste, I believe | 05:41 |
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| CIA-23 | webgui: patspam flux * rc0ac911 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): | 05:51 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it | 05:51 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: git-svn-id: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI@11090 ba3075da-5205-0410-b03c-ad9aa4846add - http://bit.ly/11MtyX | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | naff? | 05:52 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11090 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, what is "naff"? | 06:18 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: I'll see if google can translate it for me into american | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | google translate doesn't seem to have an australian setting | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the language must be beyong the grasp of standard computational science! | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | wikipedia has it, though | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naff | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and since I don't think you were calling it heterosexual, you must mean "in bad taste" | 06:39 |
| @preaction | im thinking he meant "something that is poorly thought out, doesn't really work, or is otherwise not very good" | 06:42 |
| Mech422 | what? you eman the Survey _Is_ available ? | 06:43 |
| Mech422 | s/eman/mean/ | 06:43 |
| Mech422 | I know some guys in San Fran that have been dying to meet Survey.... | 06:44 |
| @preaction | it's been available since 7.6 | 06:44 |
| Mech422 | they are gonna be over joyed! | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | like, totally | 06:44 |
| @preaction | 7.7 has made it quite usable | 06:44 |
| Mech422 | hehe | 06:44 |
| @preaction | there needs to be a way to let any asset be a map or a point on a map | 06:45 |
| @preaction | or somehow put points on a map | 06:45 |
| @preaction | some kind of WebGUI::AssetAspect::Locator | 06:45 |
| Mech422 | G'nite all :-) | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | do we have a WUC 2k9 map asset yet? | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | for users to register where they come from? | 06:55 |
| @preaction | ooh good idea | 06:56 |
| @preaction | once tabb is done with fixing the crappy templates i threw together, we'll have to put one up | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but she'll only get to your crappy templates after she finishes with _my_ crappy templates | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and trust me, mine are way crappier than yours | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, is your commit 11089 the fix for this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10425 ? | 07:33 |
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| SynQ2 | morning | 10:13 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11091 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Keywords.pm): Fixed #9920 Survey: cannot add questions in IE | 10:22 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11092 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm t/Content/AssetManager.t): added tests for asset manager | 11:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11093 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template/packed.t: added tests for packed templates | 11:37 |
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| Mech422 | anyone know the url for cloning the wre git repo ? | 13:39 |
| Mech422 | nm | 13:44 |
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| Magnetic | So, anouther newb here. I have looked over the webgui.org docs quite a bit, however would anyone know of any good blogs that have indepth details and tutorials on the cms? | 15:44 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11094 /Too many paths: Merge changes in head into thingy-object-seperation branch | 16:23 |
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| @bopbop | SynQ2: got a minute? | 16:49 |
| SynQ2 | here I am | 16:50 |
| SynQ2 | :) | 16:50 |
| SynQ2 | sure | 16:50 |
| SynQ2 | what up? | 16:50 |
| @bopbop | are you sure you want to donate that much karma? | 16:51 |
| @bopbop | we just wanted to give you the opportunity to be involved since it came so closely to your offer on the forums | 16:51 |
| SynQ2 | well, if that means that plainblack is going to spend 100.000 karma | 16:51 |
| @bopbop | ok, I just don't want you to commit to it and then regret it | 16:51 |
| SynQ2 | does it mean that I can submit to the contest too? | 16:52 |
| @bopbop | sure | 16:52 |
| SynQ2 | so for each entry I put in myself I can support 9 more entries | 16:52 |
| @bopbop | nope | 16:53 |
| SynQ2 | no? | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | the karma for submission is per user | 16:53 |
| SynQ2 | oh but not in my suggestion | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | we used to do per entry | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | no, not in your suggestion | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | however, | 16:53 |
| SynQ2 | if not my suggestion exactly then I want to reconsider based on your rules | 16:53 |
| SynQ2 | since my goal is as much submissions as possible | 16:54 |
| @bopbop | we used to do per entry, but then we ended up w/ some not-so-good entries by people just because they wanted to rack up the karma points | 16:54 |
| SynQ2 | so if someone would submit 20 styles they would be karma-king :) | 16:54 |
| SynQ2 | that is a matter of defining clearly what is 'good' | 16:54 |
| @bopbop | let me finish writing up the rules, and I'll share them with you | 16:54 |
| @bopbop | good is subjective, so yeah | 16:54 |
| SynQ2 | in my view it has to 1. look differently and 2. be compiant and 3. work technically | 16:55 |
| @bopbop | I think we agree on that | 16:55 |
| SynQ2 | and yes you do need a jury | 16:55 |
| SynQ2 | and it would be really great if that jury was made up out of the community | 16:55 |
| SynQ2 | something else you could do | 16:55 |
| SynQ2 | is deduct the amount of karma in this contest from the top 100 of karma users | 16:56 |
| SynQ2 | in a percentage | 16:56 |
| @bopbop | I'm not worried about the karma | 16:56 |
| SynQ2 | so emil would 'give' 10% of it't karma | 16:56 |
| SynQ2 | I am | 16:56 |
| SynQ2 | it's all about the karma | 16:56 |
| @bopbop | rephrase: I'm not worried that we won't have enough to go around | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | if you don't use it for things like this, karma is a worthless status symbol | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | oh ok | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | you are worried about quality | 16:57 |
| @bopbop | I don't want to detract karma from other users for this purpose, I just want to award karma | 16:57 |
| @bopbop | yes quality | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | whereas I am mostly worried about quantity | 16:57 |
| @bopbop | :) | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | I would like to see at least 100 theme's to choose from | 16:57 |
| SynQ2 | of which 20 are really good and 80 can be crap | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | but still you have 100 to choose from | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | actually | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | I would say this would have to be a continous contest | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | wich awards a winner each month | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | and the stakes (in karma) should be high | 16:58 |
| @bopbop | do you think we have enough commitment from the community to achieve that? | 16:59 |
| @bopbop | besides yourself | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | that depends | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | on who you call 'the community' | 16:59 |
| @bopbop | who do you call the community? | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | the top 100 karma users are in my opinion not the community | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | like biskitmiller has never submitted anything to the community | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | yet is is 2nd in the top 100 list | 17:00 |
| @bopbop | right, some have karma through other means- not necessarily through active participation | 17:00 |
| SynQ2 | however, the site sais: Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. | 17:00 |
| SynQ2 | so that is not true | 17:00 |
| SynQ2 | the top karma users should go | 17:00 |
| SynQ2 | and instead the top karma givers should be listed | 17:01 |
| @bopbop | interesting | 17:01 |
| SynQ2 | you should be encouraged to lose your karma as soon as possible | 17:01 |
| Mech422 | forgive my ignorance - but what is karma used for other then indicating 'how much' you want/like a given feature proposal ? | 17:01 |
| SynQ2 | Mech422: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma | 17:01 |
| SynQ2 | Once earned, karma can be used like currency | 17:02 |
| @bopbop | you can use karma to buy things from PB | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | only swag | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | and wuc tickets | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | no books | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | no hosting | 17:02 |
| @bopbop | well, yeah | 17:02 |
| @bopbop | there are limits | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | no services | 17:02 |
| Mech422 | so basically - just for bumping RFE's and getting 'status' toys and such ? | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | in my view people use karma for different purposes | 17:03 |
| Mech422 | oh wait - wuc tickets - thats the user conference, right ? | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | most programmers never hand out karma and keep it as a status symbol | 17:03 |
| @bopbop | yup | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | like martin and knowmad | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | bopbop: who is biskitmiller anyway? | 17:04 |
| @bopbop | I have no idea | 17:04 |
| @bopbop | to be honest | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | then why does he have 48000 karma? | 17:04 |
| Mech422 | test user ? | 17:04 |
| @bopbop | sec | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | I bet he/she doesn't even know he/she has that karma | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | And who is Emil ? | 17:05 |
| Mech422 | wow - perlDreamer is a busy lil beaver... | 17:05 |
| SynQ2 | And who is VickyHS? | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | I seem to remember a conversation where JT mentioned some ways in which users get karma that aren't related to site involvement | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | you'd have to ask JT | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | well | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | could be something w/ hosting | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | probably 'rockstar support' users | 17:06 |
| @bopbop | no... | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | but as far as I (as a community member) are conserned they are not part of the community | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | at all | 17:07 |
| @bopbop | true | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | so they should not be in the karma list as 'Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. ' | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | is being a client of PB a good deed in the community? | 17:07 |
| @bopbop | so you would like to see a list of the top 100 karma "users" to better reflect community involvement, instead of a reflection of 'money it the bank' as it is now? | 17:08 |
| @bopbop | ok, we seem to agree | 17:08 |
| Mech422 | Heh - I would say so - if PB doesn't eat, then a lot less wG work gets done... | 17:08 |
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| @bopbop | alright, I gotta leave for an appt | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | SynQ2: I will send the rules to you later today | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | great | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | thanks | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | :) | 17:09 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - did you get to run a build yet with the 'new' version of ImageMagic ? | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | and we can see what changes might need to be made after that | 17:09 |
| @bopbop | SynQ2: thank you | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | Mech422: nope, I have had no time since friday | 17:09 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: Hmm - I got the AMD64 build to where it just had the same issues as the 32bit build | 17:10 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: I'm wondering if I'm gonna have to eat crow though - PerlDreamer thinks the image/graph problems are due to changes in IM, and I think its a change on the wre/wg side | 17:11 |
| Mech422 | so I'm running a build on a fresh checkout now to see if the newer IM changes anything | 17:11 |
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| Mech422 | Mornin Haarg :-) | 17:13 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:13 |
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| Magnetic | So... I already am assuming the answer is no here, however I will ask anyways. When using the Demo Feature on webgui.org. Is there a way to get access to the HTML of the site? I can't seem to find an access point. | 17:28 |
| Mech422 | 'the HTML of the site' ?? | 17:29 |
| Mech422 | you mean the templates ? | 17:29 |
| Magnetic | aye, heh. I think I figured it out. Thank you much good Sir Mech422 | 17:34 |
| Mech422 | Cool - I love being helpful - especially when I don't have to do anything :-D | 17:36 |
| Magnetic | hah | 17:38 |
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| @fibioni | Is this a proper venue to ask simple help-desk related questions? I have a client that wants to know if there is a paypal plugin. Is there a product roadmap anywhere? | 18:05 |
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| dionak | there's a plugin in the bazaar | 18:06 |
| @fibioni | k | 18:06 |
| @fibioni | thx | 18:06 |
| dionak | and JT usually posts on the Black blog about what is coming up. Not sure about an official roadmap. There may be one but I haven't seen it. | 18:07 |
| dionak | the paypal feature is to be included in 7.7, I believe | 18:07 |
| @fibioni | thanks much | 18:13 |
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| dionak | yw | 18:14 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: morning :-) | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, Mech422 | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | how goes the WRE hackery? | 18:31 |
| Mech422 | Looking to see if I'm having crow for breakfast :-) | 18:31 |
| Mech422 | I'm building the checking from yesterday with the 'new' IM | 18:32 |
| Mech422 | so we'll see if that changes anything with the image/graph problem | 18:32 |
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| SynQ2 | Mech422: the wre-source I get from plainblack fails to build on lenny with this error: | 18:50 |
| SynQ2 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl | 18:50 |
| Mech422 | yeah - you need LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE/ | 18:51 |
| SynQ2 | that is ImageMagick failing | 18:51 |
| Mech422 | in the image magic configure line | 18:51 |
| SynQ2 | but | 18:51 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - do you know what the LD=ld thing is for ? | 18:51 |
| SynQ2 | at that time perl has not yet been built? | 18:51 |
| SynQ2 | I have no idea | 18:52 |
| Mech422 | perl gets built before IM | 18:52 |
| Mech422 | at least, I thought it did... | 18:52 |
| * Mech422 goes to double check | 18:52 | |
| SynQ2 | oh yes | 18:52 |
| SynQ2 | it has been | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | is there any way to install IE6 on Vista, in parallel with IE7? | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | for testing and stuff? | 18:52 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: yeah - just double checked... | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | there's http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | but it isn't perfect | 18:54 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - I changed LD=ld to --with-gnu-ld over here, and it hasn't broke it | 18:54 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: VirtualBox ftw!! | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | i gave up on eventually and i'm just using virtual machines | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | if I could avoid having to buy _another_ MS license, it would be great | 18:54 |
| Mech422 | Haarg: I knew I liked you :-D | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but perhaps it's time to break down and just do it | 18:55 |
| Mech422 | MS lets you use like 5 copies in VM's I thought | 18:55 |
| Mech422 | they did some big licensing change like last year when they made virtual pc free | 18:55 |
| SynQ2 | Mech422: that LD=ld stuff is for OS/x | 18:55 |
| Mech422 | oh yeah - you can also use virtual pc | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a Vista license, to install XP (IE6) I'd need an XP license, wouldn't I? | 18:56 |
| SynQ2 | perlDreamer: it's time to not support it | 18:56 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: but osx is gnu too right ? so --with-gnu-ld would still work ? | 18:56 |
| SynQ2 | I don't know | 18:56 |
| Mech422 | Hmm ... | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ2: I agree, but with bugs reported in WebGUI against it I need one to test with | 18:56 |
| SynQ2 | if I can avoid having to buy _a_ MAC license _and_ the hardware that comes with it, it would be great | 18:56 |
| Mech422 | I was just telling PD - I don't know the 32bit finds libperl.a without the extra LD flag.. | 18:57 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: virtualBox ftw!! :-D | 18:57 |
| SynQ2 | ftw? | 18:57 |
| Mech422 | for the win :-D | 18:57 |
| SynQ2 | virtual box is handy indeed | 18:57 |
| Mech422 | virtual box is the cats pajama's :-) | 18:57 |
| Mech422 | the bees knees | 18:57 |
| Mech422 | and other odd americanisms :-P | 18:58 |
| SynQ2 | if it works and I don't have to buy a license for it, that is fine | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not like that naff VMWare | 18:58 |
| SynQ2 | I have to go home | 18:58 |
| Mech422 | pd: oooh - slamed VMWare AND did it in aussie ! bonus points!! | 18:58 |
| SynQ2 | WRE 0.9.3 is broken | 18:58 |
| Mech422 | I'm building here | 18:58 |
| Mech422 | I'll let ya know how teh test suite goes | 18:59 |
| SynQ2 | at least the wre-source-0.9.3 is | 18:59 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: though if you happen to have a 32 bit build log showing how IM is finding libperl.a without that flag - I'd appreciate seeing it :-) | 18:59 |
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| SynQ2 | Mech422: understood | 19:10 |
| Mech422 | SynQ2: thanks :-) | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | new PBWG today | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Kudos to Arjan | 19:15 |
| topsub | new PBWG? | 19:16 |
| topsub | whats that mean? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | People Behind WebGUI | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have to note that in the next WNN | 19:19 |
| SynQ2 | Mech422: I have added LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux/CORE to build.sh | 19:20 |
| SynQ2 | that works | 19:20 |
| SynQ2 | at least, it compiles then | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | should the processor type be hardcoded like that? | 19:20 |
| SynQ2 | probably not | 19:20 |
| SynQ2 | the arch that is | 19:20 |
| SynQ2 | since it's not the processor but the $ARCH | 19:21 |
| Mech422 | LOL - no - but we're winging it to get test results | 19:21 |
| Mech422 | I'd like to know how it compiles on 32bit without that... | 19:21 |
| Mech422 | I've added it to build.sh twice now, and it never gets merged | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | merged into SVN? | 19:22 |
| Mech422 | merged into the 9.3 build.sh | 19:22 |
| Mech422 | yeah - SVN I guess | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | post a bug with a patch onto the bug board | 19:23 |
| SynQ2 | git | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | did that twice | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | posted full script and diffs | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | on the bug board? | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | on the developer board | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | SynQ was the only one that seemed to notice | 19:24 |
| Mech422 | anyway - point being - I thought it wasn't merged because it built on 32 bit without it | 19:25 |
| Mech422 | but now I'm starting to wonder - synq can't build 32 bit without it either | 19:25 |
| SynQ2 | I didn't say that | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, I see a post about 0.9.1 | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but nothing about 0.9.3 | 19:26 |
| Mech422 | well, 9.3 doesn't build yet | 19:26 |
| Mech422 | and the 9.1 stuff wasn't merged | 19:26 |
| SynQ2 | I'm off | 19:26 |
| SynQ2 | later | 19:26 |
| SynQ2 | ~ | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and if the patch contains multiple things, and all it says is 64-bit build script | 19:26 |
| Mech422 | bye! | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | then it will get passed over | 19:27 |
| Mech422 | ok - whatever... | 19:27 |
| Mech422 | don't care at this point | 19:27 |
| Mech422 | it didn't get merged, no point crying about it | 19:27 |
| Mech422 | but I'm not posting more till the dam thing is done | 19:27 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11095 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem. | 19:38 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: heh - sorry - slashdot says IE6 wont die - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Will-Not-Die | 19:47 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11096 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Forward port POD whitespace fix. | 19:55 |
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| @rizen | so i switched back to the old beta version of image magick that shipped with WRE 0.9.2 and now WRE 0.9.3 can generate graphs once again | 21:15 |
| @rizen | now to write a program that replicates the problem to send it in to the image magick guys | 21:16 |
| @rizen | figured out the problem with image magick | 21:46 |
| @rizen | martin's graphing code sets the background color of the image like this: | 21:46 |
| @rizen | $image->Read(filename => 'xc:white'); | 21:46 |
| @rizen | the other image processing functions in webgui that i wrote set the background color like this: | 21:46 |
| @rizen | $image->ReadImage('xc:white'); | 21:46 |
| @rizen | they both used to do the same way | 21:46 |
| @rizen | same thing | 21:47 |
| @rizen | but now, only the way I used works for some reason | 21:47 |
| @rizen | so fixing this in webgui core | 21:47 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11097 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick. | 21:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11098 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick. | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | nice catch, rizen | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | is 0.9.3 a go then? | 22:00 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:01 |
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| @rizen | i'm copying it up to sf right now | 22:02 |
| @rizen | so we can make the release public | 22:02 |
| @rizen | and since i don't have to recompile, Test::Harness will go into 0.9.4 or 1.0.0 | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds good | 22:03 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11099 /WebGUI/ (36 files in 4 dirs): | 22:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Throw an exception in all wobjects if the main template (used by view) | 22:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: has been deleted. | 22:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11100 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Backport exception based missing template handling. | 22:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11101 /branch/colin-experimental: removing unneeded colin-experimental branch | 23:14 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11102 /branch/dj_wgfs: removing unused wgfs branch | 23:14 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11103 /branch/doug-experimental: removing unneeded doug-experimental branch | 23:14 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11104 /branch/ (wrebuild_0.7 wrebuild_0.8): removing old wrebuild branches | 23:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11105 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 23:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add noFormPost to packed content in the asset tables to prevent them | 23:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: from overwriting the data that has been packed from the filter function. | 23:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Rerun the upgrade script to repack all areas that use packing. | 23:44 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11106 /WebGUI/docs/credits.txt: adding some new names that deserve to be on the list | 00:51 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Restored i18n's LDAPLink_104 message in AuthLDAP.pm that was | 00:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: deleted undeserved in revision 11077 by me. | 00:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11108 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.8-7.7.9.pl: Fix a typo in the upgrade script. | 00:51 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Restored i18n's LDAPLink_104 message in AuthLDAP.pm | 00:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: that was deleted undeserved in revision 11077. | 00:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debuggin output. | 00:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11111 /WebGUI/docs/credits.txt: Fix spelling. | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | anyone have a problem with me not posting smoke test to the smoke test board, and instead using RSS from smoke.plainblack.com? | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that's fine | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but then what do we do with the smoke test board? | 01:33 |
| @preaction | delete it, or replace it with a syndicated content asset to read the RSS feed | 01:34 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11113 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for problem with image magick | 02:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11114 /WebGUI/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for image magick bug | 02:09 |
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| elnino | hi! | 02:15 |
| @preaction | hi! | 02:16 |
| elnino | quiet? | 02:16 |
| @preaction | kinda, i suspect colin's busy with the release right now | 02:17 |
| elnino | busy is good. | 02:18 |
| elnino | do you happen to know if there is a "featured product" macro or something in the shop? havne't read anythign about one yet. | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | are you saying that I'm loud? | 02:19 |
| elnino | or maybe if I can create an rss feed of the products I can do it that way> | 02:19 |
| elnino | no I meant quiet on the chat. | 02:19 |
| elnino | sorry. get back to work perlDreamer. =) lol | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, ma'am! | 02:20 |
| elnino | =) | 02:20 |
| elnino | if only I was that influential. | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: ok - gimme some salt and I'll eat my crow.... | 02:23 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: looks like it was a IM change after all | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an IM bug | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | no crow to eat | 02:24 |
| Mech422 | well - since the IM tests passed and nothing showed in the change log, I was betting on wre/wg change | 02:24 |
| Mech422 | you were right though | 02:25 |
| @rizen | i need some help from anybody that knows something about Facebook | 02:25 |
| @rizen | http://search.cpan.org/~clscott/WWW-Facebook-API-0.4.14/ | 02:25 |
| @rizen | Mech422: don't worry about it...we all have those days | 02:25 |
| @rizen | nobody is right all the time | 02:25 |
| @rizen | ok so given that API | 02:25 |
| @rizen | if i wanted to tie into it | 02:25 |
| @rizen | to create an aspect that you could add to any asset | 02:25 |
| @rizen | that would publish an "announcement" | 02:26 |
| @rizen | what would i use | 02:26 |
| @rizen | for example | 02:26 |
| @rizen | Story Manager | 02:26 |
| @rizen | someone publishes a new article | 02:26 |
| @rizen | and i want to announce that story on facebook | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on a sec, I'll get Mrs perlDreamer | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | she's a new facebook user | 02:26 |
| Mech422 | rizen: btw - 9.3 isn't building here and last I heard it wasn't building for Synq | 02:27 |
| Mech422 | I got it to build as far as Time-HiRes | 02:27 |
| @rizen | it dies on Time::HiRes? | 02:27 |
| Mech422 | yes | 02:27 |
| Mech422 | it actually dies on IM | 02:27 |
| @rizen | that's a wierd place to die | 02:27 |
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| Mech422 | because the LD flag isn't updated | 02:28 |
| Mech422 | but I gave the fix to SynQ and its works for both of us | 02:28 |
| @rizen | are you talking about the --with-gnu-ld? | 02:28 |
| Mech422 | no - I'm talking about LDFlag=/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/5.8.10/$ARCH/core thingy | 02:29 |
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| dreamersgirl | Hi rizen! | 02:29 |
| Mech422 | it fails on both 32 bit and 64 bit last I heard | 02:29 |
| @rizen | hi dreamersgirl | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | dreamersgirl is a facebook user. You know how those young kids are. | 02:31 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i compiled it on 7 different operating systems | 02:31 |
| @rizen | and uploaded it to sf | 02:31 |
| @rizen | so if it's failing | 02:31 |
| @rizen | it's something local to you | 02:31 |
| @rizen | and maybe sync as well | 02:31 |
| Mech422 | ok - go tell that to Synq | 02:31 |
| @rizen | i would but he's sleeping | 02:32 |
| Mech422 | oh and there's still syntax errors in the build script | 02:32 |
| Mech422 | you need spacess around '[' and ']' in bash | 02:32 |
| @rizen | are you a chronic complainer or something? | 02:32 |
| @rizen | didn't i give you git access? | 02:32 |
| @rizen | i thought i did | 02:32 |
| Mech422 | rizen: no - just got treated like an idiot so feel no reason to sugar coat things | 02:33 |
| Mech422 | no as far as I know I have no git commit access | 02:33 |
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| Mech422 | and I got it to work here _and_ posted patches twice now - so I don't think thats chronic complaining ? | 02:33 |
| @rizen | ok then i'm going to complain quick | 02:34 |
| @rizen | you posted your patches to irc | 02:34 |
| @rizen | that's no place to post anything that you want to have any impact on anything | 02:34 |
| @rizen | to quote a great movie, stuff posted here will "up and vanish like a fart in the wind" | 02:35 |
| Mech422 | actually - I posted to the 'dev forum' where someone (you) told me to? synq was the only one that noticed... | 02:35 |
| @preaction | i told you to, i think | 02:35 |
| Mech422 | ahh - sorry - my bad | 02:35 |
| Mech422 | and to paraphrase rizen from yesterday 'mech422 don't know and I don't listen to people that don't know' | 02:36 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i noticed that one | 02:37 |
| @rizen | and just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it | 02:37 |
| @rizen | the same as i told you yesterday | 02:37 |
| @rizen | 64 bit was not my priority yet | 02:37 |
| Mech422 | anyway, point being - according to the big message libtools posts in the build logs... | 02:37 |
| Mech422 | your installing libperl in a non-standard location - which should require you to use a full path in a -L option during link | 02:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11115 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.25 release. | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | it appears your managing a build without this - which neither I nor SynQ can do | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | so either your linking against a different libperl.a or we (synq and I ) have larger issues | 02:39 |
| Mech422 | it would be good to see a build log and determine which is which | 02:39 |
| Mech422 | err...it would be good to see a _working_ build log and determine which is which | 02:40 |
| @rizen | i'm apparently missing a good bit of conversation between you and SynQ2 | 02:40 |
| @rizen | because i know he's compiled the WRE (including 0.9.3) successfully several times on his boxes | 02:40 |
| @rizen | they are one run his demo.webgui.nl site | 02:40 |
| dreamersgirl | rizen--perlDreamer mentioned you were asking about Facebook. | 02:40 |
| dreamersgirl | I use it, but am no means an expert. | 02:41 |
| dreamersgirl | Can I give you a hand anyway? | 02:41 |
| @rizen | dreamersgirl: i think preaction figured out what i want to know | 02:41 |
| @rizen | i don't know anything about it | 02:41 |
| @preaction | facebook terminology might be a good thing though, i know little about that | 02:41 |
| @rizen | but i want to create something in webgui that developers can use to have their applications automatically publish data to a facebook page | 02:41 |
| Mech422 | rizen: about 10 minutes this morning - there are irc proxy's that will maintain scrollback for you ... | 02:41 |
| @preaction | i use twitter to update my facebook and that's all the facebook that i care to learn about | 02:41 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i know there are proxies, but i don't care enough to scroll back through 20 hours of conversations to find what you're talking about | 02:42 |
| @rizen | so i'll wait until i can talk to SynQ2 myself | 02:42 |
| dreamersgirl | rizen: I'm glad you have what you need | 02:43 |
| @rizen | dreamersgirl: sorry to have bothered you | 02:43 |
| dreamersgirl | no bother! It always fun to see what's going on in channel. | 02:43 |
| Mech422 | rizen: heres the paste from this mornin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34e1090e | 02:44 |
| @rizen | dreamersgirl: hopefully my facebook integration works, and then webgui can interact with twitter | 02:44 |
| @rizen | and facebook | 02:44 |
| dreamersgirl | that'd be cool! | 02:44 |
| dreamersgirl | guess I'll have to become a webGUI fan sometime. :) | 02:44 |
| @preaction | dreamersgirl: you should be able to already, tavisto put webgui in facebook | 02:45 |
| dreamersgirl | I'll look for it next time I'm surfing around! | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | surf surf surf | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | What about dinner for hungry perlDreamers? | 02:45 |
| dreamersgirl | For now, it's back to being evil nazi mom | 02:45 |
| dreamersgirl | ;) | 02:45 |
| @preaction | hang 102! | 02:45 |
| dreamersgirl | Bye everyone! | 02:46 |
| @preaction | unless you have two windows keys, than it's hang 103! | 02:46 |
| Mech422 | rizen: he was using wre-9.3 source (tarball?) and I was using git clone from about 3am PST | 02:46 |
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| @rizen | don't know what to tell you | 02:48 |
| @rizen | i don't have the build logs from any of the boxes i built on | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | rizen: usually this is the part where you call me stupid | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | but hey! I'm getting used to it | 02:48 |
| @rizen | no i'ts not | 02:48 |
| @rizen | i resent that you would even say that | 02:49 |
| @rizen | yesterday you were talking about rewriting the whole WRE build process and you didn't even know how the current one worked | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | what should I interpret "no, you dont' know and I don't fill my head with info from people that don't know" to mean ? | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | as far as I can see - the current one _doesn't_ work | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | your the only one it works for | 02:49 |
| @rizen | i don't think i typed that | 02:50 |
| Mech422 | I"m paraphrasing | 02:50 |
| elnino | I didn't know webgui was on facebook. I just joined!! yea! | 02:50 |
| Mech422 | however, more to the point - I suspect your build is linking against a system installed libperl ... | 02:50 |
| Mech422 | do your build boxes have perl installed _before_ wre is built ? | 02:51 |
| @rizen | yes, and they must | 02:51 |
| @rizen | because we use perl as part of the build script before we build perl | 02:51 |
| @rizen | and it may link against the system perl | 02:51 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I saw that ... | 02:51 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying that it doesn't | 02:51 |
| Mech422 | we don't really _have_ to use it in getsources - we could use sed for doing the cgi path munging | 02:52 |
| @rizen | i'm saying the same thing i told you 10 times yesterday. it works, and that's what i care about | 02:52 |
| Mech422 | oh ouch | 02:52 |
| @rizen | now, if it can be better | 02:52 |
| Mech422 | what happens when you install perl 5.0.10 and system perl is 5.0.8 ? | 02:52 |
| @rizen | let's make it better | 02:52 |
| @rizen | IT WORKS | 02:52 |
| Mech422 | doesn't shit go blooey ? | 02:52 |
| @rizen | you know how i know | 02:52 |
| Mech422 | ok | 02:53 |
| @rizen | because all these boxes have perl 5.8 on them | 02:53 |
| @rizen | and wre has perl 5.10 | 02:53 |
| @preaction | it works for now, if it should break in the future, it will get fixed. if we fix it before it breaks, it will be better | 02:53 |
| @rizen | right | 02:53 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying we can't change things | 02:53 |
| Mech422 | then I'm at a loss for the moment - with no logs to check, I can't really say how it works for you and not synq or me | 02:53 |
| @rizen | i'm not saying we can't impove things | 02:53 |
| @rizen | i'm just saying that it works | 02:53 |
| @rizen | if you have suggestions, let's get those implemented | 02:54 |
| @rizen | but let's not rewrite 5 years worth of knowledge | 02:54 |
| @rizen | let's add to it | 02:54 |
| @rizen | let's improve it | 02:54 |
| @rizen | not start from scratch | 02:54 |
| Mech422 | the build script is new in 9.3 isn't it ?? 9.1 didn't have getsources and getperlmodules ? | 02:54 |
| Mech422 | anyway - I have 64bit build logs available | 02:55 |
| @preaction | nah, those are old | 02:55 |
| @rizen | getsources.sh and getperlmodules.sh are new | 02:55 |
| @rizen | build.sh is not new | 02:55 |
| Mech422 | hopefully synq will have 32 bit logs this evening | 02:55 |
| @rizen | it's been around since before i realeased WRE to the public | 02:55 |
| @rizen | build.sh represents 5 years of tinkering to get shit to compile. that's why i call it knowledge | 02:56 |
| @rizen | it's like 1000 man hours in that one file | 02:56 |
| @rizen | it certainly has bugs | 02:56 |
| @rizen | and it's certainly not perfect | 02:56 |
| @rizen | but it is a good starting point from which to make each subsequent release better | 02:56 |
| Mech422 | I've got a client call... | 02:57 |
| Mech422 | perhaps you can start a reebuild and save the build logs | 02:57 |
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| Mech422 | with that and 1 from synq and 1 from me, we might have a good basis for figuring out whats going on | 02:58 |
| @rizen | i'll start it compiling on my mac now (from git head) | 02:58 |
| Mech422 | thanks | 02:59 |
| @rizen | fyi this is going to take a couple hours | 03:13 |
| Mech422 | its ok - I'll be up at leat another 8 hours | 03:13 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11116 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 03:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed #9927 Survey - verbatim | 03:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed inconsistencies between answer 'comment' and 'verbatim'. | 03:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Updated tests. | 03:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Made minor changes to reporting methods but they still need some love. | 03:56 |
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| _elnino_ | anyone here have macromedia flash? | 04:11 |
| _elnino_ | can someone kick elnino_ off, thanks. I don't know what happened. | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | release ahoy! | 04:16 |
| _elnino_ | congrats! | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you :) | 04:17 |
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| @preaction | _elnino_: you can using /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password> | 04:19 |
| _elnino_ | that will change me back? so I can log out? | 04:20 |
| _elnino_ | then how do I get back to the other me? | 04:20 |
| @preaction | no, that'll force the nickname off the server | 04:20 |
| @preaction | then you just have to /nick <nickname> | 04:20 |
| _elnino_ | oh. I thought only admins could do that. | 04:20 |
| _elnino_ | I dont' have any passowrds. | 04:21 |
| @preaction | nope, only IRCops, and we're not those | 04:21 |
| @preaction | oh, well, that's a benefit to registering ;) | 04:21 |
| @preaction | /msg nickserv help register | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't tell one elnino from another without a password | 04:21 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11117 /releases/WebGUI_WebGUI-7.6.25: Release WebGUI-7.6.25 | 04:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11118 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25: Release 7.6.25 | 04:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11119 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25-stable: Release 7.6.25-stable | 04:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11120 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Ready for 7.6.26 development. | 04:22 |
| _elnino_ | all these elnino are done by xchat (what I use). If elnino doesn't work, it automatically trys something else. I never set a password... hmm. | 04:22 |
| @preaction | also, smoke.plainblack.com is running. i hope to have TAP::Formatter::HTML working soon, and a nice fancyindex CSS file | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | nice work, preaction! | 04:23 |
| _elnino_ | preaction - what do you register to? | 04:23 |
| @preaction | _elnino_: what do you mean? type "/msg nickserv help register". nickserv will help you (that's who you register to as well) | 04:24 |
| @preaction | see this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration | 04:24 |
| _elnino_ | oh...ok... | 04:24 |
| * _elnino_ is all confused | 04:25 | |
| +perlDreamer | the TAP output looks... truncated | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | is that a partial run, preaction? | 04:25 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it's a current run. it's running, right now | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, cool | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I actually need that | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | User.t is acting very strangely right now | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | (on my laptop) | 04:25 |
| @preaction | i'm going to hopefully have it switching between branches again soon as well | 04:26 |
| @preaction | remember that one month i had this all working, and it was nice? i want that month back! | 04:26 |
| * _elnino_ goes to watch "this old house" | 04:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | say hi to norm for us | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, is it running as root? | 04:29 |
| @preaction | yes, for now | 04:29 |
| @preaction | i suppose i could su to webgui, that should still allow me to open the log files | 04:30 |
| Mech422 | preaction: I take it TAP is perl's 'buildbot' ? for continous build and testing ? | 04:32 |
| @preaction | TAP is the Test Anything Protocol, it's just the way Perl gives test output | 04:32 |
| Mech422 | ahh... | 04:33 |
| @preaction | i should say it's being used by more than Perl now | 04:33 |
| @preaction | it's goal is both machine and human readability (which is fills wonderfully) | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | even better than XML! | 04:33 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - it looks like the standard per 'make test' output? so thats formalized/standardized now ? | 04:34 |
| Mech422 | s/per/perl/ | 04:34 |
| @preaction | that's always been the standard, since Perl's earliest test suites | 04:35 |
| @preaction | but yes, that's the same output | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | make test is the same as "prove -r t/" (well, close enough to) | 04:35 |
| Mech422 | Cool - so it should be easier to create 'buildbot' type tools that work cross-language/test harness ? | 04:36 |
| @preaction | right, TAP has a website iirc | 04:37 |
| Mech422 | yeah - googling now :-) | 04:37 |
| @preaction | http://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 04:37 |
| Mech422 | soo many neat toys to try and keep up with... | 04:38 |
| @preaction | ina ddition to the implementations in those other languages, PostgreSQL has a TAP testing framework for SQL queries | 04:38 |
| Mech422 | oh nifty :-) Testing raw SQL was something I never even considered | 04:39 |
| Mech422 | I always see it in terms of some language or other | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | got it! | 04:45 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: ?? | 04:46 |
| Mech422 | Is it contagious ?? :-D | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no, parasitic | 04:46 |
| Mech422 | I see... may I ask to what we're referring ? and is it painful ? :-P | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a bug I found in 7.7.9 pre-release | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been working on it for 4 hours | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and now I feel good that I found it | 04:48 |
| Mech422 | ahh! congrats :-) | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but quite stupid | 04:48 |
| * perlDreamer should know what WebGUI methods are subroutines, and which are methods | 04:48 | |
| Mech422 | oh - to $self or not to $self - is that the question ? | 04:50 |
| Mech422 | whether it be nobler to... ahh...I ran it into the ground already, so I'll shutup now :-P | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | too much eq, dudely | 04:52 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I'm jonesing... | 04:52 |
| Mech422 | just waiting for this build - then I'm off to slay... schtuff :-P | 04:52 |
| Mech422 | what kind of stuff ? undead stuff ? giant spidery stuff ? decisions decisions... | 04:54 |
| _elnino_ | boy, I learn all sorts of new words from Mech422. =) | 04:54 |
| Mech422 | I think they should add demanding clients, and maybe zombie processes ... | 04:54 |
| daviddelikat | so... when I make a bugfix that is a template edit... | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, are you using wgd? | 04:55 |
| Mech422 | _elnino_: you mean, I'm not just charming and good looking - I'm educational too ?? :-D | 04:55 |
| daviddelikat | all I have to do is put the template package in the upgrades/packages... directory right | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | right, with wgd you'd do | 04:55 |
| daviddelikat | i do use wgd yes | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd package --upgrade (assetId|url) | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and it will do it all for you | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | even putting it in the right place | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | all you have to do is svn add it, and commit it | 04:56 |
| _elnino_ | whats wgd? is that something new in 7.6? | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's Haarg's awesome WebGUI Development tool | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | let's say you want to edit a template on a remote server | 04:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so you ssh into it | 04:57 |
| daviddelikat | or the webgui god tool | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | then type wgd edit templateAssetId | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that throws you into your favorite text editor for template hacking | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you decide that you want a package of that to put on different servers | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd package templateAssetId | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | whammo! | 04:57 |
| +perlDreamer | makes you a package | 04:57 |
| daviddelikat | did not know that | 04:57 |
| _elnino_ | slick. It seems I read about something like that in the devloper book. | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's just the tip of what it can do | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | do you know what version this si all in? | 04:58 |
| * perlDreamer runs off of git, so whatever the latest is | 04:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg will do a wgd presentation at the WUC | 04:58 |
| daviddelikat | is there a git package for centos? | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:59 |
| daviddelikat | I dont have it installed on my vm yet because there was none that would go automagically | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | where did I find that | 04:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it was off a foreign repository, daviddelikat | 04:59 |
| @preaction | i got mine from kernel.org, let me get the info | 04:59 |
| @rizen | Mech422: i got an error compiling TIme::HiRes when i compile out of head just now. I did not get that error when i built using wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz, so something must have changed | 05:00 |
| Mech422 | I get the same error.. | 05:01 |
| Mech422 | just 'false' in the log - then it aborts | 05:01 |
| Mech422 | funny thing is - if you cd to the dir, and type 'make' - it builds | 05:01 |
| @rizen | here's the build log | 05:01 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: i can send you the script via pm, but pastebin says i'm a spammer | 05:01 |
| @rizen | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log | 05:01 |
| Mech422 | thanks | 05:01 |
| @rizen | gotta go. hope it helps you. i'll be on tomorrow to try to figure out why this happened | 05:02 |
| Mech422 | ok - thanks | 05:02 |
| daviddelikat | preaction: I can always git the latest from the hub... | 05:02 |
| daviddelikat | it would be nice to have git installed though... | 05:03 |
| @preaction | daviddelikat: i mean the script to install git | 05:03 |
| daviddelikat | not that I need another tool to maintain... | 05:03 |
| daviddelikat | oh | 05:03 |
| @preaction | it's 4 commands, 3 wget and an rpm | 05:03 |
| daviddelikat | how big is it? | 05:03 |
| @preaction | 4 lines | 05:03 |
| @preaction | i can't pastebin it, because pastebin says i'm a spammer because it has 3 URLs in it | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how about posting it, one line at a time in channel? >:) | 05:04 |
| daviddelikat | one sec... | 05:04 |
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| daviddelikat | sorry I thought I had a place you could post it... | 05:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11121 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: Pluggable::load is not a class method. | 05:06 |
| daviddelikat | try david-delikat at usa.net | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's really useful, it could be uploaded to the bazaar | 05:07 |
| @preaction | sent | 05:09 |
| daviddelikat | tanks | 05:09 |
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| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r2f783e7 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Cherry-picked survey updates from master - http://bit.ly/4OuHH | 05:13 |
| daviddelikat | anybody know why wgd doesn't have a page in the wiki? | 05:22 |
| @preaction | as wgdev maybe | 05:24 |
| @preaction | ? | 05:24 |
| daviddelikat | ill try it | 05:24 |
| daviddelikat | nope | 05:24 |
| daviddelikat | i know its in there i just can never remember how to find it... | 05:25 |
| daviddelikat | all i want is the url for the git repo | 05:25 |
| @preaction | search github for wgdev | 05:25 |
| daviddelikat | that did it --- thanks | 05:26 |
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| bryanlewis | any cms' chat rooms on irc? | 05:30 |
| @preaction | besides WebGUI? probably | 05:31 |
| bryanlewis | is WebGUI a actual CMS? | 05:31 |
| bryanlewis | opensource? | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and free software | 05:31 |
| @preaction | and yes | 05:31 |
| bryanlewis | demo? | 05:31 |
| @preaction | demo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org | 05:32 |
| bryanlewis | is it from a framework? | 05:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:32 |
| bryanlewis | which one? | 05:33 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is the name of the CMS, and the framework | 05:33 |
| Mech422 | Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl | 05:33 |
| Mech422 | wtf ? rizen's IM isn't even using libperl ? | 05:34 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - do we just not need it ? we can skip the whole thing and make life easier ? | 05:34 |
| @preaction | maybe, dunno | 05:35 |
| Mech422 | that would be nice | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | bryanlewis, it's perl based | 05:37 |
| bryanlewis | oh i see | 05:37 |
| bryanlewis | smarties... | 05:37 |
| bryanlewis | i'm learning php so it might not be the system for me | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | php is close to perl | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's already a huge amount of code to leverage | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and, far fewer native security issues with perl instead of PHP | 05:38 |
| @preaction | eh, either way you go (php or perl or python but not ruby) there's different ways to do it. it all depends on what you want to do | 05:38 |
| bryanlewis | yea | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | although, to be fair, php has gotten quite a bit more secure in recent years | 05:38 |
| bryanlewis | well i'm a noobie... 23 years old and dying to learn php better | 05:39 |
| _elnino_ | what other cms's are you looking at bryanlewis? | 05:39 |
| @preaction | eh, i learned Perl back when I was 16. age / experience doesn't matter with the 4g langs like perl/php/python | 05:40 |
| bryanlewis | c5, wordpress, joomla, drupal... not for sure which to use/learn from | 05:40 |
| bryanlewis | for some reason php is hard for me to get my head around | 05:40 |
| @preaction | you might want to learn without one, and then get a book on one of them | 05:40 |
| _elnino_ | are you looking to hack? or are you looking to use the cms for your site and other customer sites? | 05:40 |
| bryanlewis | just learn php then without a cms? | 05:40 |
| @preaction | i won't start a holy war here, but php is incredibly disorganized for a programming language | 05:41 |
| bryanlewis | well... I already work for a company and we make sites with c5 right now and its been working well but everyday i feel like i don't know enough | 05:41 |
| @preaction | right, first worry about learning the language. then learn how the language can make those things easier (like frameworks, template systems, database abstraction, etc...) | 05:41 |
| bryanlewis | yea i want to learn a framework too sometime | 05:42 |
| Mech422 | bryanlewis: when you get to that point - I'd suggest sticking with C5 - sounds like you would have some resources you could ask questions etc at work | 05:42 |
| _elnino_ | http://www.cmsmatrix.org - if you are looking for features for customer sites, this si a good place to compare. I'll tell you from experience that joomla is a pain to upkeep for customer websites. and not very intuitive. | 05:43 |
| _elnino_ | never heard of c5, is that like c1? | 05:43 |
| _elnino_ | http://www.sylphen.com/c1 | 05:44 |
| Mech422 | _elnino_: might be some in-house tool they use ? | 05:44 |
| bryanlewis | no not like c1 really | 05:44 |
| _elnino_ | c5=concrete5? | 05:45 |
| bryanlewis | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=c5+cms&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 | 05:46 |
| bryanlewis | yea | 05:46 |
| bryanlewis | yea joomla is hard to upkeep | 05:46 |
| bryanlewis | i'm not a big fan | 05:46 |
| bryanlewis | but i want to learn php more and i want to feel like i can make my own cms with a framework whenever needed | 05:47 |
| _elnino_ | I was there once. | 05:47 |
| bryanlewis | what did u do? | 05:48 |
| _elnino_ | I got older. =) | 05:48 |
| bryanlewis | did u ever have a tuff time learning a more advanced language? | 05:48 |
| bryanlewis | i'm 23 | 05:48 |
| _elnino_ | my training was system programing, so I came from C, C++ etc. | 05:48 |
| _elnino_ | which I really didn't want to do, so I went into db and web developement | 05:49 |
| bryanlewis | yea nice | 05:49 |
| _elnino_ | and working with web, and finding out that marketing demands come faster than anyone could keep up with, I ditched my efforts in my own cms and went | 05:50 |
| bryanlewis | someday i will have a grasp of php | 05:50 |
| _elnino_ | a community based cms that already had more features than my marketing group could come up with themselves. | 05:50 |
| _elnino_ | if you look at the list of cms on cmsmatrix, I think you'll find there are lot of people out there wanting to build there own, but to compete with other that are established already is a tough hill to climb. It's climbable, but tough to catch up. | 05:51 |
| bryanlewis | yea thats pretty nice | 05:51 |
| _elnino_ | just my experience. | 05:52 |
| bryanlewis | yea i just think building a cms would help me learn and accomplish a personal goal | 05:52 |
| _elnino_ | oh yea, it will definately be a learning experience. | 05:52 |
| _elnino_ | I'm all for it. It's fun actually! | 05:52 |
| bryanlewis | see thats where i want to be | 05:53 |
| _elnino_ | I just couldnt' keep up with marketing group's demands - It was just me. | 05:53 |
| _elnino_ | doing all the programming. | 05:53 |
| bryanlewis | yea | 05:53 |
| _elnino_ | IT group of 3. | 05:53 |
| bryanlewis | thanks ruff but at least u know your job well! | 05:53 |
| bryanlewis | i feel like i go to work and dont know my job well at all | 05:54 |
| bryanlewis | i just live off of someone elses talent | 05:54 |
| bryanlewis | haha | 05:54 |
| _elnino_ | work for a small company. You'll learn TONS. | 05:54 |
| _elnino_ | mine was 60 people. big enought to be steady, small enought to do everything. | 05:54 |
| _elnino_ | (sorry for the extra t's) | 05:55 |
| bryanlewis | i do | 05:55 |
| bryanlewis | 9 | 05:55 |
| bryanlewis | peeps | 05:55 |
| _elnino_ | you're in a great place then. never stop learning. | 05:56 |
| _elnino_ | but stay focused enough to accomplish something. | 05:56 |
| _elnino_ | and never think you know everythign because there is someone else out there that knows more. | 05:57 |
| _elnino_ | but you didn't ask for advice... =( | 05:57 |
| _elnino_ | I'll be quiet now. | 05:57 |
| bryanlewis | haha no i know | 05:58 |
| bryanlewis | i'm trying | 05:58 |
| bryanlewis | and will continue | 05:58 |
| bryanlewis | I'm off to bed but will be back online tomorrow will u be on? | 05:58 |
| _elnino_ | sounds like you're on the right track with the right attitude. I'ts refreshing. | 05:59 |
| _elnino_ | not tomorrow, I'm going to the zoo. | 05:59 |
| _elnino_ | but I'm ususally on. There is a bunch of regulars on this chat. | 05:59 |
| bryanlewis | ok sweet! well i need sleep in order to learn well tomorrow ... one of my biggest problems is not staying focused on one thing long enough to accomplish/learn it | 06:01 |
| bryanlewis | thought i'd throw that in there | 06:01 |
| _elnino_ | yep, that is tough, and common. | 06:02 |
| _elnino_ | that's what managers are for - to breathe down your neck. which isn't always a good thing. | 06:02 |
| bryanlewis | yea i'm so eager to learn lots of things i can stick with one | 06:02 |
| _elnino_ | yep. | 06:03 |
| Mech422 | ok - I'm gonna call it a night...my head is _still_ killing me - almost 24 hours with a migraine or something... | 06:05 |
| bryanlewis | me 2 | 06:06 |
| bryanlewis | g'night and thanks for all the great help! | 06:06 |
| bryanlewis | i hope to learn more wth time | 06:06 |
| Mech422 | I'll look at the build logs more tommorrow - if we can just skip linking libperl that would make life easier as we don't need to pass the $ARCH as part of the LD flags | 06:06 |
| _elnino_ | bye. | 06:06 |
| Mech422 | my latest build just died with : ./build.sh: line 289: cd: HTML-Parser-3.60: No such file or directory | 06:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove bloat from Survey response record to reduce json serialisation time | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11123 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey section-level branch precedence bug | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: For Sections with questions spread out over multiple pages, branch | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: expressions should only happen on the last page of the Section. | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added explicit test. | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11124 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: When a user is deleted, delete any address books as well. Uses the API to get the | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Addresses, too. With tests and upgrade script to take care of old address books. | 06:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11125 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting addressBook cleanup for deleted users. | 06:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | good night everyone | 06:11 |
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| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r660794f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm : Fixed Survey testsuite handling of Tagged question type - http://bit.ly/al85n | 09:47 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11126 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Survey test suite 'tagged' check to work with nested data | 10:37 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11128 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 10:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed #10425: Edit Survey screen does not work in IE6 | 10:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Removed trailing comma | 10:37 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11129 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 16:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: changed HTML tag in lower bar to match upper bar | 16:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: see bug description for details | 16:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10261 | 16:09 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11130 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t): Adding Matrix tests | 16:38 |
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| steve_ | mornin | 16:57 |
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| mech422 | SynQ2: ping? | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | pong | 16:58 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: mornin | 16:58 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, mech422 | 16:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you're lower case today | 16:58 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: rizen sent an interesting osx build log last nite... | 16:58 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - I'm not feeling very upper today :-P | 16:58 |
| SynQ2 | what log? | 16:59 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you've been working crazy hours | 16:59 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: much less, studly caps :-P | 16:59 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: it was a build log from an osx machine | 16:59 |
| SynQ2 | I haven't seen it | 16:59 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: he posted the url - but I didn't write it down :-/ | 16:59 |
| +perlDreamer | IRC backlogs are on mentalhouse.net | 17:00 |
| mech422 | interesting thing was ImageMagic doesn't seem to link against libperl on osx | 17:00 |
| @rizen | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log | 17:00 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh thanks | 17:00 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 17:01 |
| SynQ2 | it fails at Time::HiRes | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | is that a wre 0.9.3 buildlog? | 17:02 |
| mech422 | oh - it failed with something else last build I did - HTML something or other... | 17:02 |
| mech422 | but here's the interesting bit from the IM build: | 17:02 |
| mech422 | Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl | 17:02 |
| mech422 | Writing Makefile for Image::Magick | 17:02 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:02 |
| * perlDreamer is going for an early morning run to beat the heat. | 17:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | we're currently sitting at 85 bugs | 17:03 |
| mech422 | maybe libperl isn't needed at all for IM ? | 17:03 |
| +perlDreamer | with 5-6 people working on bugs actively | 17:03 |
| +perlDreamer | hack on! | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | I don't know | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | what I wonder | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | is that there has been a wre 0.9.3 released | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | but has the wre-source from update.webgui.org been updated accordingly | 17:03 |
| SynQ2 | since when I tried to compile that 2 days ago it failed on lenny | 17:04 |
| @rizen | the builds of wre that are there | 17:04 |
| @rizen | were built from the source that is there | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 17:04 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: I'm kinda thinking rizen's build boxes are 'special' somehow.. and the stuff builds there, but not on 'vanilla' boxes ? | 17:04 |
| SynQ2 | mech422: I fear you could be right | 17:05 |
| SynQ2 | but I don't know | 17:05 |
| SynQ2 | all I know is that the build fails on my vanilla boxes | 17:05 |
| carogray | hi all, back from the UK - quick question about redirects? | 17:05 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: yes, all I can determine is it fails for me on 64bit lenny | 17:06 |
| SynQ2 | and it fails on the -lperl of IM | 17:06 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: I could possibly setup a 32bit lenny (I'm using xen, which supports 32 on 64) | 17:07 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: but your having problems on 32bit - so maybe setting up say Centos would be more informative ? | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | well | 17:07 |
| @rizen | i don't get how you guys can make that leap that my boxes are special | 17:07 |
| SynQ2 | if it fails to build on lenny it's useless to me | 17:08 |
| @rizen | every one of them is installed directly from the iso's you can download from the sites | 17:08 |
| @rizen | plus | 17:08 |
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| SynQ2 | rizen: no special packages added? | 17:08 |
| carogray | if you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...); macro thing right? | 17:08 |
| mech422 | rizen: you seem to be the only one that can build the wre's ? | 17:08 |
| @rizen | i can get it to build on 7 operating systems and you can get them to not build on 2 | 17:08 |
| @rizen | actually just one | 17:08 |
| @rizen | cuz you're both trying to build on the same OS | 17:08 |
| SynQ2 | agreed | 17:08 |
| @rizen | no special packages | 17:08 |
| @rizen | nothing that doesn't come with the os | 17:08 |
| SynQ2 | but it fails on ubuntu 9 too | 17:09 |
| @rizen | on it's disks | 17:09 |
| mech422 | yeah - thats what we were just saying - perhaps trying a Centos or something would be more informative then beating on Lenny | 17:09 |
| @rizen | sure, but i don't try to build on ubuntu 9 | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | I'm guessing -lperl does exist in the centos system somewhere | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | so it finds the system perl libraries | 17:09 |
| @rizen | but i do build on ubuntu 6 | 17:09 |
| @rizen | so perhaps there's a significant enough difference | 17:09 |
| @rizen | between the old | 17:09 |
| @rizen | and the new | 17:09 |
| @rizen | that is causing the problem | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | perhaps the 'newer' systems have something 'different' then :) | 17:09 |
| SynQ2 | inded | 17:10 |
| SynQ2 | indeed that | 17:10 |
| @rizen | right, it's not that my boxes are special | 17:10 |
| @rizen | just that they are built with an older os | 17:10 |
| SynQ2 | special == different | 17:10 |
| @rizen | with the exception of rhel which is built using the newest | 17:10 |
| @rizen | well, and macosx which is also built using the newset | 17:10 |
| SynQ2 | macosx is different than linux | 17:10 |
| SynQ2 | that is something which is clear | 17:11 |
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| @rizen | sure it is, but it's also a full gnu build chain | 17:11 |
| SynQ2 | indeed | 17:11 |
| @rizen | it doesn't use the crap that they use in a lot of the other bsds | 17:11 |
| SynQ2 | but probably less bleeding edge then lenny and ubuntu | 17:11 |
| @rizen | that's probably true | 17:11 |
| SynQ2 | I'm going to run a compile on etch now | 17:11 |
| SynQ2 | to see if the older debian does compile | 17:12 |
| @rizen | is etch the older version? | 17:12 |
| @rizen | just prior to lenny? | 17:12 |
| SynQ2 | etch = debian 4 | 17:12 |
| mech422 | yeah | 17:12 |
| SynQ2 | lenny = debian 5 | 17:12 |
| @rizen | ok | 17:12 |
| SynQ2 | but lenny = current stable | 17:12 |
| SynQ2 | and etch = oldstable | 17:12 |
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| mech422 | SynQ2: I want to look at the osx build log a bit more and see what else is in there... | 17:12 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: if its not using libperl at all - maybe we can drop it from the other builds too ? | 17:13 |
| SynQ2 | indeed | 17:13 |
| SynQ2 | go ahead | 17:13 |
| mech422 | (err - not using it for ImageMagick I mean) | 17:13 |
| mech422 | can anyone run a bsd or solaris build and generate logs ? | 17:13 |
| mech422 | or even a non-debian linux ? | 17:14 |
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| mech422 | Hmm - I should look at setenvironment.sh and see if it does anything 'special' for osx... | 17:17 |
| mech422 | heh - nope nothin there | 17:19 |
| MrHairgrease1 | hey preaction | 17:25 |
| MrHairgrease1 | how's the recur evry month on week thing supposed to work | 17:25 |
| MrHairgrease1 | if I say every month on the second week on tuesday the results are varying | 17:26 |
| MrHairgrease1 | for instance it selects this month on june 16 | 17:27 |
| MrHairgrease1 | and next month july 14th | 17:27 |
| MrHairgrease1 | I know why that is happening from the code | 17:28 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's because the recur pattern generator is horrible and needs to change to DateTime::Event::ICalendar | 17:28 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: thats odd - it builds rizen's openssl for arch 386 | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease1 | but wouldn't the intended behaviour be using the calendar week instead of the number of 'virtual' weeks from the start of the month | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease1 | yeah | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease1 | just fixed this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10228 | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease1 | which is actually the same problem I told you about two weeks ago or so | 17:29 |
| MrHairgrease1 | I guess rewriting that sub with DateTime::Event::ICal would be considered an rfe? | 17:32 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:32 |
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| ckotil | anyone know of any YUI datatable examples in webgui? im having trouble, and its because im the API docs for the datatable are beyond YUI 2.5.1 and they require some new js modules | 17:57 |
| MrHairgrease1 | check the vendor payout manager | 17:58 |
| daviddelikat | I was just messing with YUI DT what are you looking for? | 17:58 |
| MrHairgrease1 | it's in www/extras/vendorPayout/vendorPayout.js | 17:58 |
| ckotil | ok ill do that MrHairgrease1 , thanks | 17:58 |
| MrHairgrease1 | or the Asset Manager | 17:58 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: martin * r11132 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Merging fix for Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228) into 7.6 | 17:58 |
| ckotil | daviddelikat: well i have some data in json format that i want to put into a YUI datatable | 17:59 |
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| MrHairgrease1 | that's basically what the vp manager does | 17:59 |
| daviddelikat | ckotil: its pretty easy | 17:59 |
| MrHairgrease1 | so that should be a good start | 17:59 |
| ckotil | vendor payout isnt in my version :( 7.5.31 | 17:59 |
| ckotil | 32 rather | 17:59 |
| daviddelikat | it is best if you make a function to generate the JSON and attach a datasource | 17:59 |
| ckotil | ive used the YUI datable in the past w/ versoin 2.6.1 , but it doesnt seem to work the same with YUI 2.5.1 | 18:00 |
| ckotil | ill try looking off of the asset manager | 18:00 |
| daviddelikat | I just added some code to the EventManagerSystem | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat | it is in WebGUI/Asset/Wobject | 18:01 |
| daviddelikat | check out the viewSchedule and www_getSchedule stuff | 18:01 |
| ckotil | but in the dev branch, right? | 18:02 |
| daviddelikat | also look at the view schedule template on the display tab of the EMS | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat | it should be in the main branch | 18:03 |
| ckotil | what version? | 18:04 |
| ckotil | and what versoin of YUI ? | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat | the version that WebGUI is using | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat | i think it is 2.5 | 18:04 |
| ckotil | ok, thanks | 18:04 |
| daviddelikat | I had noticed some items thata were diff. from teh latest YUI but i got around them | 18:05 |
| @rizen | webgui uses YUI 2.6 | 18:06 |
| @rizen | however, 2.7 is out | 18:06 |
| ckotil | ya, thats all im finding API docs for is 2.7 | 18:06 |
| ckotil | dunno how to get them for 2.5.1 | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | the docs are all included with webgui | 18:07 |
| @rizen | webgui ships with a complete set of YUI docs for that reason | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat | where are you using 2.5.1? | 18:07 |
| ckotil | ok sweet. | 18:07 |
| ckotil | im stuck on version 7.5.32 for now | 18:07 |
| ckotil | gonna schedule an update soon. | 18:07 |
| ckotil | i should be able to smoothly upgrade to the latest stable now ;) | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat | good luck | 18:08 |
| -!- rizen is now known as BugSlasherMcGurk | 18:08 | |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:08 |
| SynQ2 | oeh | 18:09 |
| SynQ2 | Mc Gurk | 18:09 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | how do you do it? | 18:11 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | do what? | 18:11 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | and are you talking to me? | 18:11 |
| SynQ2 | yes mr. McGurk, how do you slash them? | 18:13 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:13 |
| SynQ2 | bare handedly? | 18:13 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | sometimes it's as easy as replying to a person to tell them that they're doing something wrong, or that the bug has already been fixed | 18:13 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | sometimes i just know exactly where to look | 18:13 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | cuz i wrote most of the code | 18:14 |
| SynQ2 | so you have put those bugs in there yourself :) | 18:14 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | but then there are always bugs that kill me and take hours or days to fix | 18:14 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | SynQ2: exactly | 18:14 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i'm sure that i wrote 80% of the code in WebGUI, and that 98% of the bugs are mine | 18:14 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11133 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): re-fixed basic auth | 18:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11134 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): | 18:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed the problem with Basic Auth that UK fixed, but in a different way | 18:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: that still allows non-realm based Basic authentication. | 18:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11135 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: removed debug | 18:15 |
| SynQ2 | hehe | 18:15 |
| carogray | you guys can answer my redirect question yet? | 18:23 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:24 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | don't think i saw any redirect question | 18:24 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | what is it? | 18:24 |
| mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: the build log you posted - was that a 'first' build? for some reason libreadline thought it was already compiled ? | 18:26 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11136 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm): WebGUI::Search epoch maximum range error (#10288) | 18:26 |
| mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: if you had done a build of that code earlier, that would explain it | 18:27 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i had done a build out of that folder before, /data/wre was empty when i started | 18:28 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i forgot to do a --clean before i started | 18:28 |
| mech422 | ahh ok | 18:28 |
| carogray | bugslasher: it was before you came on Rizen and Mech422 were heavy into super programmer talk and I was hoping to catch someone ...this is my ?: | 18:29 |
| carogray | if you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...); macro thing right? | 18:29 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | right, you'd put the full url in there | 18:30 |
| carogray | k thanks just checking.:) | 18:31 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11137 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11138 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:39 |
| mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: perl seems to build this as part of its bootstrap/install: Making Time::HiRes (dynamic) | 18:42 |
| mech422 | and we install this in the perlmodules stuff: wget -t 4 -nv $CPANMIRROR/authors/id/J/JH/JHI/Time-HiRes-1.9719.tar.gz | 18:42 |
| mech422 | are they different ? | 18:43 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | sorry, i don't have any idea what you're asking me. i've reread the sentence 3 times and it still doesn't make sense. | 18:43 |
| mech422 | it appears Time-HiRes is installed twice | 18:44 |
| mech422 | is that the case, or is there a reason not to use the version the perl bootstrap installs ? | 18:44 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | ah, now it makes sense | 18:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | we're probably just installing it twice because either: | 18:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | a) Time::HiRes didn't used to be part of perl | 18:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | b) i didn't realize it came with perl | 18:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | with the WRE 0.9 series we switched to Perl 5.10, which comes with some modules 5.8 didn't. So there may be some duplicates. | 18:46 |
| mech422 | Since the second install is what blew up the build last night, perhaps we should comment it out and see if it causes any regressions ? | 18:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | who is we? | 18:46 |
| mech422 | I can do it here - but I don't have an osx box to rebuild on | 18:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i can't rebuild it either | 18:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | it's bugfix day | 18:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i need to work on bug fixing | 18:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i can go back to wre tomorrow | 18:47 |
| mech422 | ahh - ok | 18:47 |
| SynQ2 | mech422: report a bug on it in the WRE :) | 18:48 |
| SynQ2 | then our McGurk will have time ;) | 18:48 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | no he won't | 18:48 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | it's WebGUI bugfix day | 18:48 |
| SynQ2 | oh bummer | 18:48 |
| SynQ2 | just when I thought I had found a loophole | 18:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:52 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | one more bug to fix and we're down to 3 pages | 18:52 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | wahoo! | 18:52 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:55 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11139 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor | 18:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11140 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor | 18:56 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11141 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:56 |
| @preaction | frodwith: how? how did you fix that bug with DataTable? | 19:03 |
| @preaction | or does it create a new row without opening the edit box like it did when I had it? | 19:03 |
| @frodwith | no, it works the way it was working before. Only, not broken. | 19:04 |
| @frodwith | :-p | 19:04 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 19:04 |
| @preaction | huh, weird | 19:04 |
| @frodwith | http://pastie.org/499287 | 19:04 |
| @preaction | ah, of course | 19:05 |
| @preaction | is there a difference between the lambda and just passing in the reference to obj.editor.focus? | 19:06 |
| @frodwith | yes | 19:07 |
| @frodwith | the binding of the this variable | 19:07 |
| @preaction | closure, okay | 19:07 |
| @frodwith | just passing the function reference, this will be bound to window | 19:07 |
| @frodwith | it isn't closure, it's function invocation. | 19:07 |
| @frodwith | var fn = obj.method | 19:08 |
| @frodwith | fn() is very different from obj.method() | 19:08 |
| @frodwith | in the first case, 'this' means 'the default object'. In the second, 'this' is obj. | 19:08 |
| @preaction | okay, i don't understand why, but i get it ;) | 19:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001) | 19:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001) | 19:09 |
| @preaction | oh, nevermind, it is very similar to Perl's handling of it | 19:09 |
| @frodwith | It has to do with making prototypes work properly | 19:10 |
| @frodwith | and yes, sort of like that | 19:10 |
| @frodwith | only the invocant is explicit | 19:10 |
| @frodwith | in perl | 19:10 |
| @frodwith | so you don't run into it | 19:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: since i've closed 9 bugs so far today, does that mean i can quit now? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:10 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | do i get a set of steak knives at least? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give you 1 kKarma. How 'bout that? | 19:11 |
| @preaction | you get a lousy copy of our home game | 19:11 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | but but but but | 19:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Anyone experimented with GWT for client side development? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGurk, and pointing out that you fixed 9 bugs in 1/3 of the time it takes me to do that won't buy you any brownie points either. | 19:15 |
| @frodwith | preaction: dojo has a bind function, e.g. dojo.bind(object, function) that essentially makes a function() { object.function() }. I wonder if YUI has something similar? | 19:16 |
| @preaction | i know YUI has scope-correction in event handlers (which is probably why I haven't worried much about scope and "this") | 19:17 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: i probably just got lucky, and picked the easy ones | 19:17 |
| daviddelikat | what is the style lused for the bug tracker on WebGUI? | 19:18 |
| @preaction | style? | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | yeah, collaboration has a dozen or more style options... | 19:19 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | it's not a cs | 19:19 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | it's a helpdesk asset | 19:19 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | not released to the public yet | 19:19 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | cuz it's still alpha | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat | so how does one go about fixing bugs in it? | 19:20 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9763 | 19:20 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | khenn is working on it | 19:20 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | but if you would too | 19:20 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i can get you access to the git repo | 19:20 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | there are lots of bugs for it | 19:20 |
| daviddelikat | be happy to. | 19:20 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | so there' sno way khenn fixes them all today | 19:21 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | what's your github user? | 19:22 |
| daviddelikat | i guess Ill have to make one... | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | All bug fixers are backporting to the 7.6 branch, right? | 19:24 |
| daviddelikat | BugSlasherMcGurk: github uid is daviddelikat | 19:25 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i have been | 19:27 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | daviddelikat: you have privs to commit back | 19:27 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | http://github.com/plainblack/helpdesk/tree/master | 19:28 |
| daviddelikat | thanks, I'll get a copy and get to work... | 19:33 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: ping? | 19:40 |
| mech422 | SynQ2: if ya get a chance - let me know how the Etch build went :-) | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | 73 bugs | 19:42 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11144 /WebGUI/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 20:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11145 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 20:08 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11146 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix multiple email handling in the Inbox. | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Put an email regex into WebGUI::Utility, and use it in Form/Email and Account/Inbox. | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11147 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: pull out an i18n message I created but didn't use. | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Backporting Account/Inbox multiple email fix. | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | is webgui.org down, or am I just lucky? | 20:25 |
| @preaction | you're lucky | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can get to the bug board? | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, you're right, the wG itself is working fine, must be only the helpdesk | 20:27 |
| @preaction | nope, HD works fine for me | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | brb | 20:34 |
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| ckotil | I just hit the URL character limit when using the WYSIWYG html source editor. Apparently this thing sends back the html as a GET variable | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | how big is it? | 20:42 |
| ckotil | i dont really know how to check. but its gotta be whatever the default limit is for a GET variable | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | ckotil: what are you editing? there shouldn't be a GET with the rich editor | 20:45 |
| ckotil | editing an article asset using the rich editor | 20:45 |
| ckotil | v7.5.32 | 20:46 |
| ckotil | well the rich editors html source editor | 20:46 |
| @preaction | it shouldn't, it should use JS (window.opener.forms[...].elements[...].value ) | 20:47 |
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| ckotil | then this JS foo that im doing must be jacking with it | 20:47 |
| ckotil | but when i click submit, i see. 'Request-URI Too Large' | 20:47 |
| ckotil | an apache error | 20:48 |
| ckotil | and all the html source is in the URI in the address bar | 20:48 |
| @preaction | that's weird | 20:48 |
| ckotil | its loooong. | 20:48 |
| ckotil | yeah. its gotta be this JS, when i remove it. it works just fine | 20:50 |
| * perlDreamer heads out for lunch | 21:00 | |
| ckotil | heh, you wont believe what the problem was. | 21:00 |
| ckotil | select.options[0] = new Option("---",0,false,false); | 21:00 |
| ckotil | the --- caused the rich editor to freak out. i replaced it with just "" and it saved the text | 21:00 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11149 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 21:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: bug #10261: fixed span tag per bug report | 21:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10261 | 21:23 |
| @frodwith | is the to-be-released beta 7.7.8 or 7.7.9? | 21:42 |
| @preaction | frodwith: check lib/WebGUI.pm $VERSION, that's the to-be-released version number | 21:43 |
| @preaction | i think 7.7.9 | 21:43 |
| @frodwith | $VERSION says 8 | 21:44 |
| @preaction | mine says 7.7.9 | 21:44 |
| Mech422 | woah | 21:46 |
| Mech422 | I re-ran my build of last nights git clone.. and it _completed_ ? | 21:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | heh | 21:46 |
| Mech422 | gonna run tests now - but what changed ?? | 21:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | it's magic Mech422 | 21:46 |
| @preaction | did you clean between? | 21:46 |
| Mech422 | I rm -rf /data/wrebuild/source /data/wre | 21:47 |
| Mech422 | but I did that last night too | 21:47 |
| Mech422 | this is just scary | 21:47 |
| @preaction | dunno then. magic! | 21:47 |
| +BartJol | I remember that Koen had something similar | 22:02 |
| +BartJol | but dunno whether that was wre or webgui | 22:02 |
| Mech422 | Its installing wG now.. | 22:04 |
| Mech422 | then I'll fire up the test suite | 22:04 |
| Mech422 | is this broken atm ? t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t | 22:20 |
| Mech422 | it seems to have failed the first 3 tests, then aborted with status 255 ? | 22:20 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: hey - poll.t passes all tests :-) | 22:24 |
| Mech422 | including the infamous test 4 | 22:24 |
| Mech422 | t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/edit.t also seems to have aborted | 22:31 |
| Mech422 | and Auth/mech.t | 22:31 |
| Mech422 | and POE server component throws a compile warning | 22:32 |
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| Mech422 | that seems to be it :-) | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: got time for a question quick? | 22:36 |
| WebGUI1 | wre 0.9.3 compiles fine on debian etch | 22:36 |
| Mech422 | WebGUI1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2a911be6 | 22:36 |
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| Mech422 | WebGUI1: how odd - it just compiled here as well | 22:37 |
| SynQ | pidgin is not the most splendid irc client | 22:37 |
| SynQ | to say the most | 22:37 |
| Trex | Hey folks. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered the issue with the new Office 2007 XML document format and problems it causes when someone tries to download such documents from a website. | 22:38 |
| Trex | http://littletechthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/ie-changes-docx-xlsx-pptx-to-zip-while.html | 22:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11150 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine. | 22:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11151 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend | 22:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11152 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.9/root_import_account_profile_default-view-profile-template.wgpkg: whoops, forgot the updated template | 22:38 |
| SynQ | Mech422: I'm using JT's source tarball | 22:38 |
| SynQ | this one http://update.webgui.org/wre/source/wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz | 22:38 |
| Trex | (specifically downloading from IE -- the problem doesn't arise in Firefox) | 22:38 |
| SynQ | I'm going to recompile on lenny too | 22:39 |
| SynQ | using that one | 22:39 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: I have no idea what changed but the git checkout fromlast nite started working | 22:39 |
| SynQ | it must have been the moon | 22:39 |
| SynQ | or one of the other planets | 22:40 |
| @preaction | Trex: it provides a fix at the bottom for Apache | 22:40 |
| SynQ | or maybe the musqito I killed last night | 22:40 |
| SynQ | but hey | 22:41 |
| SynQ | if it works I'm happy | 22:41 |
| Trex | preaction: yes -- but only having minimal experience mucking with Apache, I wanted to see if anyone else had addressed the problem, and could confirm whether that change wouldn't impact a standard WebGUI installation. | 22:41 |
| @preaction | that change should not hurt anything WebGUI does. it only affects the files that apache sends | 22:42 |
| Trex | Also, I wanted to confirm which file this would go in -- in a standard WRE setup. Would you add it to modproxy.conf? or modperl.conf? Or does it not matter? | 22:42 |
| Trex | Both of those files have similar blocks of "AddType" | 22:42 |
| @preaction | Trex: probably best to put it in both | 22:43 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: yeah - its nice it's working... I'd like to know why though - I didn't change anything.. | 22:44 |
| Trex | preaction: Thanks! Is this something that might be considered a "bug" or feature request -- a standard enough issue users will see that it's worth adding to the default WebGUI config files? | 22:44 |
| Trex | Or should I just add something to the wiki to let people who discover the problem fix it for themselves? | 22:44 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: anyway - if you get a chance to build 9.3 from git on Lenny, I'd interested to here how it goes | 22:44 |
| SynQ | I'm trying that right now | 22:46 |
| @preaction | Trex: i would post it as an RFE with the lines, that way it can get in quickly | 22:46 |
| @preaction | it's also an RFE agains the WRE, not WebGUI (making sure you pick the right project will make it easier to get it in) | 22:46 |
| SynQ | Mech422: and as I said, on ubuntu 9 too | 22:46 |
| SynQ | for our friends at Oqapi | 22:47 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: the 2 spectre compile bugs are due to POE's server component having a 'my' declaration that masks one at a higher level | 22:47 |
| Trex | Good point. Also, I'd forgotten that today was Bugfix Day. Is that what the rest of you are working on at the moment? | 22:48 |
| @preaction | bugs? in a manner of speaking yes | 22:48 |
| Mech422 | nappy time.. | 23:04 |
| Mech422 | later all | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | down to 70 bugs | 23:14 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11153 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend | 23:23 |
| -!- BugSlasherMcGurk is now known as rizen | 23:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | what, stopping so soon? | 23:23 |
| @rizen | since i don't seem to be getting any bugs fixed due to having to help everyone and their brother with something | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i don't deserve the moniker | 23:24 |
| @frodwith | you could be BugFiddlerMcSmith | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I'd like to close out this bug | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | no feedback for 6 weeks | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's working like it should | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks like he wants to be able to say "yes" or "no" instead of 1 or 0 | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | all, I'm going to work on the dirty thing field bug | 23:31 |
| @rizen | ok go ahead | 23:31 |
| @rizen | but then file a new bug | 23:31 |
| @rizen | because helpdesk should have autoclosed it | 23:31 |
| @rizen | if there was no feedback after 2 weeks | 23:31 |
| @rizen | you're saying it's been marked "Feedback Reequested" for 6 weeks, right? | 23:32 |
| SynQ | smoking hardware in your office is never a good thing | 23:34 |
| SynQ | one of my 22" tft's just died on me | 23:34 |
| @preaction | yeah, stick to weed | 23:34 |
| SynQ | white smoke was coming out of it | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, yes | 23:34 |
| SynQ | and the smell of molten plastics | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you let out the magic smoke, it won't work anymore | 23:35 |
| @preaction | SynQ: that's the good stuff! hit that like mike tyson! | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | try to collect it all and they may be able to put it back in | 23:35 |
| SynQ | hehe | 23:35 |
| SynQ | I have inhaled some of it, perhaps now my eyes will have 1600x1200 pixels soon | 23:35 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: do you think I should care about the amount of karma I have and others get/ | 23:37 |
| SynQ | or shouldn't I? | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't answer questions anymore, unless you give me karma | 23:38 |
| SynQ | ok, hang on... | 23:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11154 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm: Oops, didn?t notice the lc shift, removing unnecessary case-insensitive matching from regex. | 23:38 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: done :) | 23:39 |
| @rizen | you know, maybe i still do deserve the moniker. have i closed more bugs than anybody else today? | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, you have rizen | 23:39 |
| SynQ | rizen: is bugfixing day a competition? | 23:39 |
| @preaction | always | 23:40 |
| -!- rizen is now known as BugSlasherMcGurk | 23:40 | |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | then i shall keep the moniker until someone takes it from me by fixing more bugs than me | 23:41 |
| SynQ | mcgurk forever :) | 23:41 |
| SynQ | I'm going to walk the dog | 23:43 |
| SynQ | bbl | 23:43 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, want to pinch-hit one for me? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I put in a fix for this bug a while ago, and it seems like it's working, but I don't know for sure, because it's a widget. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10095 | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | can you look at a widget and tell me if it's working correctly? | 23:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | what? | 23:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i can't fix a bug for you | 23:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | then i'd who would get the credit? | 23:49 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i don't understand the problem | 23:50 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | why can't you test it? | 23:50 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | i'm enabling the macro on my dev box | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it works fine, but again, I don't know what it's supposed to do in the first place. | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can take the credit | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | it's supposed to show a gear icon, and then when you paste the code, it should show the exact asset you specified by ID in the widget macro definition | 23:56 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | yup it works | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Thu Jun 04 2009 | ||
| +perlDreamer | then I'll track down the commit, backport it to 7.6, and close it out | 00:00 |
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| @rizen | ok i'm giving up | 00:02 |
| @rizen | my brain hurts | 00:02 |
| @rizen | that's 11 for me today | 00:02 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 00:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11156 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 00:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Prevent Form/File from returning links in getValueAsHtml if there's | 00:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: no real value in the storage element to return. | 00:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): Backporting Form/File fix for empty storage. | 00:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11158 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 00:23 |
| +BartJol | SynQ, have you managed to compile wre 0.9.3 for debian today, when I left it looked like you would have a busy day | 00:30 |
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| +BartJol | oh rizen, on a side notice, has Sarah our phonenumbers | 00:33 |
| +BartJol | ? | 00:33 |
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| SynQ | BartJol: I can confirm that wre 0.9.3 build still fails on debian lenny, but success I had on debian etch | 00:35 |
| @rizen | BartJol: no idea | 00:35 |
| SynQ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl it says | 00:35 |
| @rizen | BartJol: i recommend emailing them to her | 00:35 |
| SynQ | while making imagamagick | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | I am mailing Sarah | 00:36 |
| +BartJol | too bad it doesn't compile | 00:36 |
| +BartJol | oh | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, the Widget bug is fixed | 00:37 |
| +BartJol | well, let's try it then, maybe a bit late, but hey.. | 00:38 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: widget bug? | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't you submit a bug under the name LoopSetShop? | 00:39 |
| @rizen | what's a good visual FTP client for linux? | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11159 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11160 /translations/German/German/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11161 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Multiple fixes for Widget, templating, handling assetIds that are not safe for JS, etc. | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11162 /translations/German/German/Asset_Carousel.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11163 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debugging. | 00:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11164 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document bug fix for Widget, actual rev 10474 | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, you want something that works with GTK or K, or something standalone? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | K=KDE | 00:39 |
| @rizen | stand alone | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | loopsetshop is Koen's brother | 00:40 |
| @rizen | how is filezilla on linux | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | let me check | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I always use nsftp | 00:40 |
| @rizen | but that's command line, right? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | filezilla is pretty good | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | very simple | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 screen | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | host, username, password | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | then two panes | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | here, and over there | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | drag and drop looks like it would work | 00:43 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:44 |
| SynQ | rizen: on debian etch ldconfig -v | grep perl gives me nothing whereas on debian lenny that gives me: libperl.so.5.10 -> libperl.so.5.10.0 | 00:45 |
| SynQ | could that break the WRE compile? | 00:45 |
| SynQ | could that explain why if you put the path to the wre perl in the configure line it would compile? | 00:46 |
| SynQ | and also why it would compile if you leave out the -lperl for that matter? | 00:47 |
| @rizen | no idea | 00:47 |
| @rizen | i know very little about C | 00:47 |
| @rizen | basically i compile until i have a problem | 00:47 |
| @rizen | then i google my way out of it | 00:47 |
| SynQ | uh huh | 00:47 |
| SynQ | same here | 00:47 |
| SynQ | I think the knowledge of someone who does know about C and compiling and linking stuff with that would help a lot here :) | 00:48 |
| SynQ | anyone in tha house know about C? | 00:48 |
| SynQ | we definately need the --with-perl enable build/install of PerlMagick switch :) | 00:49 |
| SynQ | the odd thing is | 00:51 |
| SynQ | I did get that version of ImageMagick to compile before | 00:52 |
| SynQ | I'm gonna see what happens if I remove the LD=ld there | 00:52 |
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| +BartJol | well let's see whether the compiling works, fine up till now | 01:07 |
| +BartJol | SynQ shall I package it before continuing? at least we will have a wre 0.9.3 debian etch package | 01:10 |
| +BartJol | or do you have one already? | 01:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | 61 open bugs | 02:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 02:50 |
| +patspam | hola! | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | down to 62 bugs | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | not bad considering we started at the mid 90's | 02:52 |
| +patspam | rock on. I'm looking at r11116 for backportability | 02:52 |
| +patspam | (#9927) | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it's gnarly | 02:53 |
| +patspam | good turn-out for the bug-fix day? | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:53 |
| +patspam | awesome | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat was fixing bugs, yung and MrHairgrease, too | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE 0.9.3 was released | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't have a safari browser around, do you patspam? | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | 61 bugs | 02:56 |
| +patspam | does my iphone count? | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yung was looking for a safari user to verify a rendering problem | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and an iphone might just throw more questions into the mix | 02:58 |
| +patspam | don't all the PB guys use OSX? | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, they're busy, or ignoring me, or both, or something else altogether | 03:06 |
| +patspam | as soon as andy appears I'll ask him | 03:06 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | even though it's tomorrow in Australia, you should still get credit for Bugfix Day | 03:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11165 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the delete album screen. | 03:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11166 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting gallery album i18n fix. | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and congrats on being added to the credits file | 03:08 |
| +patspam | woo! thanks :) | 03:08 |
| +patspam | heh thanks for correcting the spelling of my name in that | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 03:09 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11167 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removed console.log from JS files | 03:22 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: i backported that fix | 03:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, patspam! | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | 60 bugs | 03:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11168 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backported fix for #9927: Survey - verbatim | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | bug closed | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't see any way to get the expires data for a cache | 04:17 |
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| * perlDreamer is going to call it a day and night | 04:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all later | 04:26 |
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| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc75317c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/Pjsbv | 09:34 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r48b4c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/1aEKhP | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rbc36aad / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey changes from master - http://bit.ly/lqgLV | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc6ef686 / : | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Merge branch 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui into flux | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: * 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui: | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: Conflicts: | 09:43 |
| CIA-23 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm - http://bit.ly/hUAfc | 09:43 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11169 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm.orig Survey.pm): Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. | 10:38 |
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| carogray | anyone about to help with a tag? or class ? | 14:34 |
| +bartjol | sur | 14:35 |
| +bartjol | ee | 14:35 |
| +bartjol | let's hear | 14:35 |
| +bartjol | carogray: what's it about exactly? | 14:38 |
| carogray | Hey! how was your sailing - looked for you off the coast of Norfolk, but the furthest South we got was Weybourne! Lovely weather eh? | 14:39 |
| +bartjol | it sure was! | 14:39 |
| +bartjol | but not enough wind on the way back, it took us 44 hours | 14:39 |
| carogray | ayah! yes, we found not a lot of wind too. However this was good for my husband cause he is learning to use a kite for sailing | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | :) | 14:40 |
| carogray | he was just using a trainer kite on the beach - working up to learning to kite board etc. | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | cool | 14:40 |
| carogray | anyhow my question is whether there is an HTML <glossary> tag | 14:41 |
| +bartjol | but you wanted help? | 14:41 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 14:41 |
| carogray | or whether there is an "accepted" way of using HTML CSS for displaying words that eventually we want to put into or link to definitions | 14:42 |
| carogray | or XHTML ... | 14:42 |
| carogray | whatever | 14:42 |
| +bartjol | well, I'm looking | 14:43 |
| +bartjol | mmm, wel the only thig I can come up with is to embed them in the keyword section in the metadata | 14:46 |
| +bartjol | but that doesn't sound like that's what you want | 14:46 |
| carogray | not sure.....what you mean what would I embed in the metadata exactly, but also that would have to be unique for each article? unless I made a prototype article will all the things embedded in every article? | 14:48 |
| carogray | or rather a template for the article? | 14:48 |
| carogray | still not sure about what you mean by embed in metadata | 14:48 |
| +bartjol | sorry, trying to do 2 things at a time, as a man, that's impossible | 14:50 |
| carogray | there is a big design conference coming up in June in Boston - I may try to see if I can get answers to solutions to the problem there - I have just been blithely gettig people to tag our glossary words with <glossary> thinking this is a tag and just discovered yesterday there isn't really an html <glossary> tag and it is making a mess of some articles | 14:50 |
| carogray | O:-) | 14:50 |
| +bartjol | but now I'm back | 14:50 |
| +bartjol | moving pixels around is tiring | 14:51 |
| carogray | moving pixels? | 14:51 |
| +bartjol | but these words should only be visible in the source html? | 14:51 |
| carogray | the words? no I want the words to show in the text, but for now they shouldn't look any different | 14:52 |
| +bartjol | the keyword I mean is the field keywords in the metadata, which are used by search engines | 14:52 |
| +bartjol | maybe you can put a <span> tag around it with a class | 14:52 |
| carogray | so say we have a long article that has words like, "lease" "retaliate" "tenant" | 14:53 |
| +bartjol | and later give that class propertties | 14:53 |
| carogray | yes.... that is exactly what I was thinking by using the glossary tag. Identify the word for now - only in source, but then later | 14:53 |
| +bartjol | well span it is then I thinkl | 14:54 |
| carogray | when we have figured out how/what we want to do go back and do something with the identified words | 14:54 |
| carogray | thanks for this ! | 14:54 |
| +bartjol | no problem | 14:54 |
| carogray | so just simply put each word in <span>retaliate</span> tags like this? | 14:54 |
| +bartjol | yeah, and do give it a class | 14:55 |
| +bartjol | makes the css afterwards easier | 14:56 |
| +bartjol | but probably you can do without a class | 14:56 |
| +bartjol | as long as they are in a common container | 14:56 |
| carogray | so <span class="glossary"> retaliate</span> and just don't define the class? Perhaps we should also give them an individual id like the word itself for future ref also? | 14:57 |
| carogray | so <span class="glossary" id="retaliate"> retaliate</span> | 14:58 |
| carogray | or not? | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | well, that depends on what you wanna do with it later | 14:58 |
| carogray | would the extra id get in the way? | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | that has use as long it should be shown differnent | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | no, it shouldn't | 14:58 |
| carogray | you mean unique id's? | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | as long as it exists only a single time | 14:58 |
| carogray | on a page right? | 14:59 |
| +bartjol | well the classes are used by css to give it properties | 14:59 |
| +bartjol | but if you want to link them, that should be done in html and adding an id will be useless | 14:59 |
| carogray | oh | 14:59 |
| carogray | hmm | 14:59 |
| +bartjol | so only if they should have, let's say differnt colors, it has use | 15:00 |
| carogray | there wouldn't be a way to in the css set up some sort of glossary list so that every unique id or class would when mouse overed have some sort of definition appear? | 15:01 |
| +bartjol | probably | 15:02 |
| +bartjol | let me think | 15:02 |
| +bartjol | mmm, i made something like that | 15:03 |
| +bartjol | aah, I know :( | 15:03 |
| +bartjol | we don't host that site anymore | 15:04 |
| carogray | oh :-( | 15:04 |
| +bartjol | but you have a hoover p[roperty for a span | 15:04 |
| carogray | what?! | 15:04 |
| +bartjol | or at least somewhere | 15:04 |
| carogray | oh hover | 15:05 |
| carogray | I get it | 15:05 |
| +bartjol | sorry | 15:05 |
| carogray | I was thining vacuum cleaners - British Hoover | 15:06 |
| +bartjol | hey, I am only Dutch | 15:06 |
| carogray | thinking | 15:06 |
| carogray | ja | 15:06 |
| +bartjol | ah | 15:06 |
| +bartjol | but for link there is a hover property. but like the editing part for an asset, those properties have hover text too | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | so just rip that functionality | 15:07 |
| carogray | oh yeah - of course. | 15:08 |
| carogray | so how do I "rip that functionality"? | 15:08 |
| carogray | can I see it in the source when I am in edit mode? | 15:09 |
| +bartjol | maybe here: | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | http://www.javascriptkit.com/javatutors/crossmenu2.shtml | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | looks like it's javascript | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | which makes some sense | 15:11 |
| carogray | yes, this looks really good. | 15:11 |
| carogray | I don't know that much about java script, we already use it in some places for showing and hiding footnotes, so I guess we can try this too, not sure how it would work with/for screen readers -this particular feature, but at least it's a start. | 15:12 |
| +bartjol | well, my approach to javascript is: copy paste stuff you know that works and leave it be | 15:14 |
| +bartjol | and I managed to get this done once, so you should be able to find working code | 15:15 |
| carogray | right - this is a great start to getting me thinking again about the problem...thanks! | 15:16 |
| +bartjol | good, and if ou have more question, I'll dig deeper and will look if I can find what I made last time | 15:16 |
| carogray | right - thanks a lot for this - I am trying to get one of our admins to fix a ton of Word docs and then post them on WebGUI so she is just learning HTML and I am throwing so much at her | 15:17 |
| carogray | I need to figure out a way for her to get some of this in now and then go back later to fine tune | 15:18 |
| +bartjol | Word documents...mmmm | 15:18 |
| +bartjol | but if she's just learning, a quick cource on w3schools mifght be a plan | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | http://www.w3schools.com/html/ | 15:20 |
| carogray | yah the w3schools is excellent. | 15:20 |
| +bartjol | especially if you have to transform word docs to html | 15:20 |
| carogray | I just used a lot of it yesterday in my introduction to basic HTML for editors, but Bee, my helper is having to do catch and identify all kinds of messes | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | ah | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | a lot of work I see | 15:21 |
| carogray | there are alll these endnotes brought over from word with messy long and complicated corruptions that she needs to replace with ^PageUrl()# and stuff | 15:21 |
| carogray | ugh | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | well, at least you don't have to do that alone | 15:22 |
| carogray | can't give her too much to do, cause she still wasted a whole morning yesterday opening a file in IE and saving it which messed up all her a href's big time... I won't go into it, but i can't give her too many new things at once | 15:22 |
| carogray | thank god! | 15:23 |
| carogray | and thank our funders! | 15:23 |
| +bartjol | was that a particular site? | 15:23 |
| carogray | the trick is to think enough ahead of time so that we don't have to keep going back and fixing stuff cause my directions wer eporr or wrong | 15:23 |
| carogray | yes, MassLegalHelp.org | 15:24 |
| +bartjol | cool | 15:24 |
| +bartjol | people do need stuff like that | 15:24 |
| carogray | right - now if I can only get David Huggins back on to fixing the tell a friend thing I have been killing him with we can get back to more improvements... must get on with my naggin | 15:25 |
| +bartjol | :) | 15:26 |
| carogray | thanks again for taking the time this morning/today to help me AGAIN! | 15:26 |
| +bartjol | again, no problem :) | 15:26 |
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| ckotil | Is it possible to change the text color via the rich editor in 7.5.32? | 16:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to enable the foreground color option in the rich editor's conifg | 16:05 |
| ckotil | ah. ok. | 16:06 |
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| ckotil | im troubleshooting some 'issues' my users are having. stupid stuff like 'urls for links and email arent being parsed automatically correctly' 'table size cant be changed when pasted into webgui' 'hwo do i change text color' | 16:07 |
| ckotil | at least the 3rd question appears valid. | 16:07 |
| ckotil | thanks MrHairgrease , that worked. | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 16:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck with your support quest | 16:14 |
| ckotil | im not going to spend much time on it. the other 2 seem like user error to me | 16:15 |
| ckotil | im going to tell them how to do what they want to do. | 16:15 |
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| SquOnk | Hi | 16:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 16:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | howdy doody. | 17:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know if y'all heard, but my son Peter was hit in the head with a soccer ball yesterday | 17:51 |
| @Haarg | ouch | 17:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | they took him to the ER because he lost consciousness, and couldn't walk for a while | 17:51 |
| +perlDreamer | but the CAT scan came back okay, and he's been acting normally | 17:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: is he okay now? | 17:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow | 17:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | concussion? | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | they thought so | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | rang his bell pretty well | 17:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wow | 17:52 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sorry to hear that. | 17:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you okay? Must have taken a few years off your life in worry. | 17:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: How old is he? | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | He's 10 | 17:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I was more angry than worried, but yeah. Yesterday wasn't fun. | 17:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh. I was hit in the head by a batted baseball when I was 7... | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yow. They're hard, too. | 17:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...I turned out all right. Or so I think :) | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you did choose Debian over Fedora, but that could be for other reasons | 17:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Was it while playing or just a randomly kicked ball? | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | He was playing some variant of soccer. Two goals, three balls. | 17:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: My choosing of Debian over Fedora has to do with a quarter of a century of Unix experience, basically :) | 17:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh. Interesting. | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I know SquOnk, just can't help teasing you. | 17:54 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, he was looking the other way when he got hit in the head. | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | no, he got hit in the forehead. He probably was looking at another ball | 17:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good news is that the forehead _is_ the best place to be hit with a soccer ball. | 17:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: If the CAT scan doesn't show anything, just forget about it. | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, he got have been hit in the face, or the back of the head... | 17:56 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Until you hit 12-14 the cranium hasn't soldered yet. | 17:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The seams in between the bones are still very flexible and the brain is resting inside two coats with liquids. | 17:57 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a kid, the seams between the bones absorb most of the kinetic energy, while the amount left has to be handled by the liquid where the brain floats. | 17:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The movement the brain has can have the effects you described, but once the "turbulence" goes away and everything settles down, you end up ok. | 17:58 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a grown up... you'll break your skull or get a concussion because there are no moving parts to dissipate the kinetic energy. | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like a design flaw... | 17:59 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, it's just evolution. | 17:59 |
| * MrHairgrease is looking for a child to test the theory | 18:00 | |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Once you've grown you've already reproduced and you should be wise enough not to get hit in the head :) | 18:00 |
| carogray | weighing in here. | 18:00 |
| carogray | I am an old fart, my kids are 19 and 21 | 18:00 |
| carogray | my son has had countless concussions | 18:00 |
| carogray | although I dont recommend it, he is still an amazingly brilliant if determined, stubborn cuss | 18:01 |
| carogray | his last one happened just a couple of months ago. He is ski patrol on a snowboard at our local mountain | 18:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: You should worry about hits in the head if the kids are nearsighted. | 18:01 |
| carogray | kids are amazingly resilient - mine would no longer be around if they weren't | 18:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Nearsighted people (like me) have a slighter fragile retina than the rest of people. | 18:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: A hard hit in the head could lead to retina tearing. And that's very bad. | 18:02 |
| SquOnk | That's why I stopped playing soccer once I entered college. I've been 6'2" 200 lbs. since I was 16 years old, had a mighty right leg kick... but could afford the risk to a header | 18:04 |
| SquOnk | ...so it was best to just leave the game | 18:04 |
| SquOnk | Now its carom billiards or plain jogging. | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have -15 glasses and never tore my retina, | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then again | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I never played soccer | 18:05 |
| SquOnk | MrHairgrease: Just avoid bumping your head :) | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | well I did in school | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | but only because I had too | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | squonk, I just moved into an old warehouse where the ceiling beams are about 1.90 meters above the floor | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I fit just below them | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the doorpost of my bathroom is slightly lower | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I already lost count how many times i crashed my head into those things | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat | I had a basement like that | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat | after a while you just bend in half and miss the beams | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | except when you are in a hurry | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | then you just crack your head open | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, I'm getting conditioned too | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | the ramming frequency seems to drop over time | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | I'm afraid of what people will see if I ever lose my hair | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | probably just covered with scars | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | a bald guy? | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | not yet | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | but theres potential | 18:09 |
| SquOnk | A roadmap of Kansas? | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | never been there | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | but it wont be iowa thats for sure | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, get a SawZAll and _adjust_ the height of the door frame | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | hack it | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not perl, but it'll work | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | actually not a bad idea | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat | just make sure to attach some 2x4's to the sides for structure | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat | and strength | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | the building date of my house if before 1906 | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | but prolly a long time before | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if that would be a good idea | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | also, the guy who rents it to me prolly won't be thrilled | 18:12 |
| daviddelikat | yeah those landlords can be picky | 18:13 |
| daviddelikat | they think they own the place | 18:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop, may have a bugfix for the Dashboard/Shortcut userPrefs bug in a few minutes | 18:17 |
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| @bopbop | great | 18:55 |
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| Mordicaal | Hey all, General question about the collaboration system and various other jwobjects(i think there called) | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Assets or wobjects. We've been just calling them assets. | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | What's the question? | 19:18 |
| Mordicaal | There is a page, that follows a users submission of a form. Is there an easy mode way to make that page forward back to where the user frist started editing the "asset" | 19:18 |
| Mordicaal | I like asset :P lets stick with that :) | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that page has a template | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | you should be able to modify it to do a http redirect back to the original asset | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of displaying the nice message which tells them that due to version control, what they submit may not show up on the site immediately | 19:19 |
| Mordicaal | Aye, that was the route I was going. However, I can't seem to locate the template. | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | what version of WebGUI? | 19:20 |
| Mordicaal | 7.5 i belive | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | look for a postReceivedTemplate | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's only in 7.6 or higher | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | is upgrading an option? | 19:21 |
| Mordicaal | Nope, however let me find out for sure what version | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: this is your life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY | 19:25 |
| @tavisto | hehe yep I've seen that | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | we didn't budget for this..... | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll roll it into the next one | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll pay for it this time, but we want to watch how you make it so we can do it ourselves next time. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I love that one, because wG is open source | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | I've got a few line items I'd like to remove | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll cover costs, but I'm not willing to do more | 19:29 |
| @tavisto | what we'll need you to do is show us how you did everything... so we can do it ourselves | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's new in WebGUI marketing? | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm looking for a great story for WNN #5 | 19:30 |
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| Mordicaal | perlDreamer: I think I got it, thanks. | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it worse comes to worse, you can change the code in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm in 7.5 | 19:58 |
| Mordicaal | Haha, im perl-tarded. Where can I make that edit? | 20:31 |
| Mordicaal | ah, yeah... i dont have access to the modules :P | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | Mordicaal, I gotta scoot, but I can help you track it down when I come back from the gym | 20:43 |
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| @tavisto | hmmm | 21:28 |
| @tavisto | if someone adds something to the /import folder while in the asset manager (say an article or snippet), why does it return them to the Failsafe template instead of back to the asset manager | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | sounds like a bug | 21:31 |
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| @tavisto | well I'm not sure though | 21:37 |
| @tavisto | if someone adds a piece of content from the asset manager, is it supposed to take them back to the asset manager or display the content in inline editing view? | 21:37 |
| @Haarg | it should take them back to the asset manager i would say | 21:39 |
| @tavisto | something else I found strange was that it would only do it if I had the /import folder's template set to failsafe. If it was set to style3, then it would instantly just take me back to the home page inline editing view | 21:39 |
| @tavisto | alright, I think that's what I would expect as well. Since they are in one interface, they should return to that same interface after they add content to it | 21:40 |
| @tavisto | thanks haarg | 21:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | oy | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 6 hours in the Dashboard | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | my head is spinning | 22:38 |
| @preaction | it's not so bad, there's not much to it really | 22:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, it is very simple on the surface, but debugging the overrides caching bug was not fun. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | yeah, i don't like how shortcuts work with dashboard. i don't like how shortcuts work with metadata either | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you want to change? | 23:00 |
| @preaction | shortcuts + metadata should be a new asset (something far easier to set up. perhaps link a metadata to a profile field with a simple checkbox) | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and how 'bout the dashboard, or is it one and the same? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | shortcuts + dashboard = new asset type, dashlets. they work like normal assets, but inside dashboard they have ways for users to customize certain parts for their own uses | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but wasn't the point of shortcut dashlets that you could use existing assets? | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | rather than building all new ones? | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | right, but thats proving to be a nightmare. the only way to customize a dashlet currently for you is for the admin to use the ##userPref## thing (something I never knew until there was a bug earlier this year) | 23:06 |
| @preaction | and then for you to update your profile. | 23:06 |
| @preaction | instead of a nice form that pops up | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it has a nice form that pops up for you to update your profile. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the little green edit button | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and while ##userPref:something## is ugly, it lets you embed the profile field data setup for this dashlet in existing content. | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it needs a special macro or something instead | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11171 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: 6 bugs fixed in Shortcut. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added missing POD and i18n'ed some error messages. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Set the UI level on a tab to work with the form elements it contains. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Change the title bar ajax edit form so that people can't accidently change Visitor's profile. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Remove overrides caching if admin mode is on. | 23:08 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Have caching consider the user's last updated time to check if profile settings are updated, too. | 23:08 |
| @preaction | well consider this: if we have dashlets, we can shortcut the dashlet to put on the home page. So the user can see their weather before they get to the dashboard ;) | 23:09 |
| @preaction | their weather, because the dashlet reads from their configuration | 23:09 |
| @preaction | the ##userPref## i think only works when the shortcut is below a dashboard | 23:09 |
| * SynQ has been reading this: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/advanced-unix-installation.php | 23:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | that is true, because Shortcuts do dual duty | 23:13 |
| @preaction | triple duty. and two of them are hacky :p | 23:13 |
| SynQ | which states this: If the argument --with-perl=/path/to/perl is supplied, /../path/to/perl is be taken as the PERL interpreter to use. This important in case the perl executable in your PATH is not PERL5, or is not the PERL you want to use. | 23:13 |
| SynQ | so the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl | 23:14 |
| SynQ | which I'm testing now on lenny | 23:14 |
| @preaction | sounds right, SynQ | 23:14 |
| SynQ | and if that works I'm satisfied | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, as long as we don't have to reinvent the SC asset, the stock asset, the weather asset, the article, and all the others as dashlets, I'll be happy | 23:21 |
| @preaction | i figure that all assets can go into the dashboard, just dashlets will have the extra stuff | 23:22 |
| @preaction | or "dashlet" could be an aspect | 23:22 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: have you answered my question on if I should care about karma yet? | 23:22 |
| @preaction | that creates the page/definition for the user-editable properties | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ. If karma is important to you, then you should care about it. | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I only care about it in that it gives me the ability to reward others for good works | 23:22 |
| SynQ | karma (those coupons you get on plainblack) don't matter to me | 23:23 |
| SynQ | but real people do | 23:23 |
| SynQ | hmm | 23:23 |
| SynQ | hang on... | 23:23 |
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| SynQ | Mech422: the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl | 23:27 |
| SynQ | in build.sh | 23:27 |
| SynQ | I'm testing that right now | 23:27 |
| SynQ | if --with-perl it takes the perl compiler from $PATH | 23:28 |
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| Mech422 | 27s lag ? wow... | 23:28 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I have that | 23:29 |
| Mech422 | yes, thats in the patches ... | 23:29 |
| Mech422 | I think its a good idea in general - we should always be explicit about what to use, if we know it | 23:30 |
| Mech422 | but that didn't fix it for me - I still needed -L/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/ARCH/CORE (or something like that) needed to LD flag | 23:31 |
| SynQ | that is wierd | 23:31 |
| Mech422 | actually - the big messages libtool sticks in the build logs say "your installing to a non-standard location" - and list a couple of ways you can actually use the libs | 23:32 |
| Mech422 | libtools seems to think its normal - its one of the 'approved' ways of using the libs it lists ? | 23:32 |
| Mech422 | its says to add the _FULL_ path to the lib using -L | 23:33 |
| Mech422 | Did your build last night pass the self-tests ? | 23:33 |
| Mech422 | you saw the errors I got right ? Was yours the same ? | 23:33 |
| SynQ | I'm building right now | 23:34 |
| SynQ | I just want to have a working 0.9.3 for lenny asap | 23:35 |
| Mech422 | yeah - my lenny build 'just worked' yesterday | 23:36 |
| Mech422 | so I ran some tests | 23:36 |
| Mech422 | I ended up with about half a dozen test failures | 23:36 |
| Mech422 | Auth/mech.t just plain aborted | 23:36 |
| Mech422 | btw - going back to teh explicit thing - it might be good to use -with-ssl=/data/wre.... --with-jpeg=/data/wre... etc etc | 23:37 |
| Mech422 | so we _know_ what libs are being used | 23:38 |
| SynQ | indeed | 23:38 |
| SynQ | but use $WRE_ROOT in build.sh | 23:39 |
| Mech422 | yeah - we should dress it up and make it play nice... | 23:39 |
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| Mech422 | oh - and we can grep the perl $ARCH/CORE lib from the Perl MakeFile | 23:39 |
| Mech422 | its ugly as sin to have the IM build function refer back to the Perl build, but it would work | 23:40 |
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| Mech422 | the key is 'shrpdir' and its value is set to the $ARCH/CORE dir... | 23:42 |
| Mech422 | steve@webgui1:/data/wrebuild/source/perl-5.10.0$ grep shrpdir Makefile | 23:42 |
| Mech422 | shrpdir = /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE | 23:42 |
| Mech422 | pipe that thru a 'cut' to grab the rhs of the assignment and we should be good | 23:43 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:44 |
| SynQ | those last 5 lines are worth a dev mailinglist post | 23:44 |
| Mech422 | (since we're assuming build shell is bash, we could prolly use those nifty new bash substition features) | 23:44 |
| SynQ | then it will go by timothy of united knowledge | 23:44 |
| SynQ | who is never on irc | 23:44 |
| SynQ | but does know some things | 23:44 |
| SynQ | and I'd like to keep him involved | 23:45 |
| Mech422 | I'm just really puzzled why it's suddenly working for everyone... | 23:45 |
| SynQ | well | 23:45 |
| Mech422 | I didn't change anything - didn't refresh git or make any local changes | 23:45 |
| SynQ | it wasn't for me | 23:45 |
| SynQ | the 0.9.3-source still didn't work | 23:46 |
| Mech422 | 9.3 from git didnt work for me tues night | 23:46 |
| Mech422 | then yesterday when you did the Etch builds, I re-built just for the hell of it | 23:46 |
| Mech422 | and it worked - no idea why | 23:46 |
| Mech422 | fired it up, created a test site, ran the self tests - even passed the poll.t test about IM and creating png's | 23:47 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: anyway - give me a shout when your build/test is done, and we can compare test output... | 23:50 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: I'd be interested to see if we get the same results | 23:50 |
| * Mech422 wanders off for coffee | 23:50 | |
| SynQ | ah | 23:51 |
| SynQ | I don't save log results right now | 23:52 |
| SynQ | but if it works I will | 23:52 |
| SynQ | and send it somewhere | 23:52 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I just run/some/test >& junk.log | 23:53 |
| Mech422 | its not perfect - but good enough for quick and dirty | 23:53 |
| Mech422 | PerlDreamer gave me a command for running 'prove' that I use to run a 'full' test run | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | he did | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf prove -r --verbose t/ > test.log 2>&1 & | 23:54 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - He's awful helpful that way.. makes teh rest of us look bad :-P | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | who's the guy building WRE 27 some odd times? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I just hang out in IRC and spout pithy command lines | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | ohh! I _knew_ it !! perlDreamer is really an IRC bot !! | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | **>& invoke Mech422 cover routine | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | almost passes the turing test! | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | speaking of bots - anyone seen the new terminator flick ? | 23:59 |
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| SynQ | :) | 00:04 |
| SynQ | Mech422: are you coming to the WUC, or did I ask allready/ | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: I have no idea - I don't even know what I'm doing tommorrow :-) | 00:05 |
| SynQ | Mech422: it failed again, I say we go with your suggestion | 00:05 |
| SynQ | and parse the lib path from the perl source dir | 00:05 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:05 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: hang on - I get you the IM configure line I used | 00:05 |
| Mech422 | oh - I cheated and hard coded for testing :-P | 00:06 |
| SynQ | indeed | 00:06 |
| SynQ | I have a clue on why it worked 'just like that' for you | 00:06 |
| SynQ | did you by any chance run . setenvironment.sh somewhere in /data/wre/sbin before running the ./build again? | 00:07 |
| SynQ | since that would add the WRE perl to your path before the system perl | 00:07 |
| SynQ | wich could also be the 'something special' JT uses on his boxes | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | yes - but I always do that | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | and I rm -rf /data/wre before build | 00:07 |
| SynQ | hmm | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5de70c5c | 00:08 |
| Mech422 | thatss the configure line for IM I use - please forgive crappy formatting | 00:08 |
| @preaction | heh, what if JT doesn't remove /data/wre before build? | 00:08 |
| SynQ | that is cheating indeed | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | preaction: Hmm - I'm not sure what that would do... | 00:09 |
| SynQ | preaction: that wouldn't create a working WRE at all | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | preaction: at the very least - he'd be using the wre perl binary instead of the sys. perl | 00:09 |
| SynQ | i guess | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | which might 'fix' a few things | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | Synq: you don't think so ? | 00:10 |
| SynQ | I am now running ./build.sh --imagemagick for the second time | 00:10 |
| SynQ | without removing /data/wre | 00:10 |
| SynQ | perhaps it works then | 00:10 |
| SynQ | but I should actually go to bed | 00:10 |
| SynQ | I'll go brush my teeth and come back to check if it worked :) | 00:11 |
| SynQ | brb | 00:11 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: oh yeah - its late for you .... | 00:11 |
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| SynQ | ok | 00:16 |
| SynQ | it failed | 00:16 |
| Mech422 | dam | 00:17 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: when you added the "sendInboxNotificationsOnly" setting, where did you put the test? t/Account/Inbox.t doesn't exist | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | that was a manual test | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | since we don't have a lot of UI level tests yet | 00:22 |
| @preaction | oh, kay. i'll make an auto-test jobber | 00:22 |
| @preaction | yeah, i think that's a problem really ;) | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | I know, I'm a slacker because I haven't written any UI tests | 00:31 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11172 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Allow any Asset to use the proceed=goBackToPage;returnUrl=url url parameter coda. | 00:38 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11173 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fix a syntax warning in Survey.pm | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | down to 59 bugs | 00:58 |
| Mech422 | blah..gotta run | 01:03 |
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| @preaction | another annoyance from google: 12:00:00am is not the END of a day, it's the BEGINNING of a day... | 01:14 |
| @preaction | 11:59:59 or 11:59:60 is the end of the day | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not the way their ICAL feeds work | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 12:00:00am is the end of the day | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which in our system makes an event span 2 days | 01:16 |
| @preaction | that's wrong, according to the ISO | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you convince Google of that, and I'll close the bug ;) | 01:16 |
| @preaction | i'm just saying it's wrong. we'll end up writing a workaround in our code, like every smaller vendor does when trying to interact with a larger vendor | 01:17 |
| @preaction | MS, Apple, and now Google | 01:17 |
| @preaction | Sun, Oracle, IBM | 01:17 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: what do they send for DTSTART and DTEND? do they actually send the time? | 01:19 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't remember | 01:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | but I looked at it when SDuensin first reported the bug | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and remember the end time thing | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and thinking "we're screwed" | 01:20 |
| @preaction | our parser for iCalendar feeds sucks, so it could be our fault | 01:20 |
| @preaction | http://www.innerjoin.org/iCalendar/all-day-events.html <- looks like it might be our fault | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so what does it take to replace our parser with an ISO compliant one? | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | (aside from writing several tests) | 01:23 |
| @preaction | enough that neither I nor Graham have done so yet | 01:23 |
| @preaction | but graham kept mentioning to me that he was working on it | 01:23 |
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| @preaction | oh hell: The "DTEND" property for a "VEVENT" | 01:24 |
| @preaction | calendar component specifies the non-inclusive end of the event. | 01:24 |
| @preaction | non-inclusive | 01:24 |
| @preaction | we're wrong | 01:24 |
| @preaction | our endDate and endTime is inclusive | 01:24 |
| @preaction | and imho our Calendar should do everything the iCalendar way | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a bug to me | 01:40 |
| @preaction | is there a way to quickly grab an HTML element that contains certain nodeType / attributes? | 01:41 |
| @preaction | do we use anything in our test modules yet? | 01:41 |
| @preaction | HTML::TreeBuilder or something? | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Tag::Parser | 01:42 |
| @preaction | looks like we don't use that yet, but we have TreeBuilder somehow (it's not in our prereqs) | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::TokeParser | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what it is | 01:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11174 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.7.9 release. | 01:52 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11175 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.9-beta: Release 7.7.9-beta | 02:22 |
| @preaction | should I use emailToLog to test e-mail sending under normal circumstances? or should I use what t/Mail/Send.t uses? | 02:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would use t/Mail/Send.t | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and, I'd refactor out that sub into a WebGUI::Test module, so it doesn't get copy/pasted everywhere | 02:33 |
| +patspam | morning perlDreamer :) | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't it about 11:00am down there? | 02:33 |
| +patspam | 9:30am | 02:33 |
| @preaction | so two subs: prepareMailServer and sendMail | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yawp | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | dang it | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I may lose power soon | 02:33 |
| @preaction | powah/ | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | thunderstorms in the area are destabilizing the grid | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | release done | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I thought I was 18 hours behind you. Maybe daylight savings differences? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and how did the trip go last weekend? | 02:35 |
| @preaction | here's why i like git's way of adding files to commit: I can easily make all my changes into multiple commits. one to refactor the mail server thing, one to add the feature i want | 02:36 |
| +patspam | yeah we shifted with daylight savings a while back | 02:36 |
| +patspam | cycling trip was awesome, the snow stayed away so I wasn't too cold in my multiple layers of lycra :) | 02:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11176 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.10 development | 02:38 |
| * perlDreamer is feeling the need for a fun project | 02:38 | |
| +patspam | http://search.cpan.org/~pdonelan/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI-0.01_01/lib/Padre/Plugin/WebGUI.pm | 02:39 |
| @preaction | what would you consider fun? | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Karma History browser | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | refactoring large amounts of the tests | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | writing new tests | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking the Karma History browser is an evening project, as an Account plugin | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or, making the trainsinoregon website for the kids | 02:40 |
| @preaction | i need two different subs. I shouldn't have to send the mail myself, I should just be able to read mail | 02:40 |
| @preaction | ooh, i say trainsinoregon! | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | good call, preaction | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | 59 open bugs | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if people would respond to emails, we could close 5 of them in 5 minutes | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | dinner break, bbl | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | nice release, patspam! | 04:04 |
| @preaction | anyone else think that mail should have a timestamp it was added to mailQueue, and then sent in order added at least? | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | if no order is set, is the order random, or is it by insertion order? | 04:09 |
| @preaction | currently there is no order, so it's whatever mysql returns it in (usually primary key order) | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's fine with me | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what do you think... http://www.trainsinoregon.com/home | 04:47 |
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| @preaction | nice | 05:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're very kind | 05:24 |
| daviddelikat | theres nothing like doubling the RAM in your computer to make the world seem like a better place | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 05:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | bbl | 05:38 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11177 /WebGUI/t/ (Mail/Send.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): refactor Mail/Send test to make test smtp server useful | 05:52 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11178 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Added getMailFromQueue so we can loop over mail that got queued | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | right on, preaction! | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the asset manager pagination would do a lot better with 50, instead of 100 | 06:20 |
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| +bartjol | afternoon hansw | 13:41 |
| hansw | Hi bart, goeden middag :-) | 13:42 |
| +bartjol | I suppose I know you :) | 13:42 |
| hansw | Bart, Piramide here | 13:43 |
| +bartjol | I figured that | 13:43 |
| +bartjol | preaction: do you also do stuff with the i18n site? | 13:43 |
| +bartjol | plainhao: do you? | 13:45 |
| @plainhao | bartjol: the i18n site? not really | 14:29 |
| +bartjol | too bad | 14:30 |
| +bartjol | it seems it has a bug | 14:30 |
| +bartjol | but my i18n script doesn't listen to me | 14:30 |
| +bartjol | should I ask Haarg then? | 14:30 |
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| ckotil | the vmware appliance works pretty well. I stood it up on one of my machines at home that is already running apache+mysql for some other stuff. then i used mod_proxy on my apache instance to reach the vm WRE | 15:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I don't understand the i18n server bug. | 17:39 |
| +perlDreamer | can you tell me more about it? | 17:39 |
| +bartjol | well | 17:39 |
| +bartjol | I can | 17:39 |
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| +bartjol | go to the i18n site, choose dutch | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | go to the account_inbox namespace | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | edit the outofdate message | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | and try to save it | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | out of date = yellow? | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | yup | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | the data saves, but the date does not appear to be updated | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | it should turn green upon saving | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that, I can fix :) | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | I can't see on the server what happens | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | cool | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | is it the cgi script | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | ? | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | for sure | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | strange is that I tried to set the lastUpdated in my server to epoch time "2" | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | and it didn't recognize that was a few years ago | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens if you do a commit? | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | on i18n.webgui.org? | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | nothing | 17:46 |
| +bartjol | why did you change the text | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | to see if it would save | 17:47 |
| +bartjol | ah | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I would have typed something Dutch, but I don't know any | 17:48 |
| +bartjol | Hoi, hoe gaat het? | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I should have put Markeer als gelezen ? | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | well, if you can't see the diff | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | that would be useless | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it's running exactly the same translation server cgi as is in git | 17:53 |
| +bartjol | ok, do you have an url | 17:53 |
| +perlDreamer | for what? | 17:53 |
| +bartjol | that git repo | 17:53 |
| +bartjol | I can compare it to my version | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the WebGUI tools repo | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | ok | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | git.webgui.org? | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | no, working on that url for you | 17:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11179 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Group.pm): - Made a change to LDAP auth that adds an OR to that query so that it also searches for a row with fieldData REGEXP '^uid=(value-from-ldap-directory-server),'. | 17:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11180 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Update from translation server | 17:54 |
| +perlDreamer | git://github.com/plainblack/tools.git | 17:55 |
| +perlDreamer | odd | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the code looks fine | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | better try to fire it up | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the good news is that all the data is being saved | 18:01 |
| +bartjol | yes | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | lastUpdated time stamp is updating | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's just some logic bug somewhere | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | well, I do have a different version | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | well, or the date is wrong or the assigned class | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the date is being saved correctly | 18:02 |
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| +bartjol | well | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | www_display something | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | :wq | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | www_displayMenu | 18:04 |
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| +bartjol | it counts as $ood | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | obviosly | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | very odd | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | on my local version, it's working fine | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | mine too | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | although it is slightly different | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | but nut that method | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm running exactly the same code | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I ran a checksum to double check | 18:12 |
| @preaction | svn problem maybe? | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | might be | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | but | 18:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's the same copy as in git | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | on i18n.webgui.org, and my local machine | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | that should not be before you try to commit | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | or am I wrong | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | ? | 18:13 |
| pvanthony | need help with wremonitor. | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | ok | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | what's up with that | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | ? | 18:14 |
| pvanthony | everytime wremonitor starts modproxy and modperl dies | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:14 |
| pvanthony | where should I check? | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | apache error logs | 18:15 |
| pvanthony | modperl.error.log? | 18:15 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | that or modproxy.error.log | 18:16 |
| SquOnk | Updated 7.6.25 Debian packages available from my repository. | 18:16 |
| pvanthony | ok will do. | 18:16 |
| SquOnk | And I believe I've found a bug. | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | cool | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | less cool | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | what? | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | bugs in WebGUI? | 18:16 |
| SquOnk | My 7.6.24 did not work out of the box. Turns out I needed to install Clone | 18:16 |
| SquOnk | (libclone-perl in Debian, that is) | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | you shopuld test everythjing properly | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | Grepping revealed that | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | like I don't make tupo[s | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | ...are using Clone | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | Yet testEnvironment does not check for it. | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but nothing about it in the Gotcha file | 18:17 |
| SquOnk | Clone is not core, therefore it should be mentioned as a dependency. | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | There's nothing in gotcha.txt about that change. | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | ...nor in the changelog | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | no mention to me when I did that upgrade, | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | probably different debian versi0on | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | s | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: Or you had libclone-perl for _other_ packages. | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | or you've installed it by hand, bartjol | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | or some other module required it | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | One thing I do is test the package on a "freshly installed" system that has close to nothing on it. | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | a lot of options | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | The package has to install cleanly and it did. Then has to work cleanly, and it didn't. | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | So I found Apache was not starting because the mod_perl startup script was barfing at not finding Clone. | 18:20 |
| pvanthony | wremonitor: found this error in wremonitor | 18:20 |
| pvanthony | Killed 6 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory. | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | So I promptly added my libclone-perl dependency and checked whether or not I missed such new dependency. | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | So the 7.6.25 package works out of the box again. | 18:21 |
| pvanthony | what should the memory setting be mod_perl in wre.conf? | 18:22 |
| @preaction | pvanthony: i would say at least 120000000 | 18:23 |
| pvanthony | thank you. Will try it out. | 18:23 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 120 * 1024^2 | 18:23 |
| perlbot | 125829120 | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that server was rebooted yesterday for the upgrade | 18:23 |
| @preaction | rather, that. 120MB | 18:23 |
| pvanthony | please explain what perlbot means | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, please file it as a bug, and it'll be included in the next releaes | 18:24 |
| pvanthony | is it pre site | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll find the guy that did that and hang him up by his svn bits | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | pvanthony, it's per apache child | 18:24 |
| pvanthony | thanks | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, I'm going to tinker with the Dutch translation for a sec | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll put it back the way I found it | 18:27 |
| +bartjol | ok | 18:27 |
| +bartjol | great! | 18:28 |
| +bartjol | i'LL KEEP CLEAR | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | now there's a real problem | 18:28 |
| +bartjol | my caps lock? | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, try to edit an out of date label in Redneck and watch what happens | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I just did, and it works fine | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | strange | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | I get the same | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | dutch is still the same | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, do you mean that it changed color, or that it didn't change color? | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | it didn't change color: ie it is not good | 18:31 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Done | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, SquOnk | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, try Redneck->WebGUI->trash for me, please? | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | works | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | like it is good | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | strang | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | e | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what did you do to the Dutch translation, bartjol? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hm? | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | I think rory did something | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | I didn't do that much lately | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | don't hurt me! I'm innocent! | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | rory's not even here to threaten | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | or tease :) | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | no he fled | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | he is scared of me... | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | we're all scared of you bart | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you're big | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of like snakes, with badgers and mushrooms | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | not as big as the big man | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | and he trusts Sarah in our hands | 18:37 |
| pvanthony | wremonitor: had to set the size to 314572800 | 18:39 |
| pvanthony | does that look right | 18:40 |
| pvanthony | 300mb | 18:40 |
| pvanthony | would apache take that much. | 18:40 |
| pvanthony | also noticed that once wremonitor stops modperl it cannot start it up again. | 18:40 |
| pvanthony | modproxy also cannot be started up by wremonitor. | 18:41 |
| pvanthony | did I get some config wrong? | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | have a nice weekend, we're gonna drink with sarah | 18:44 |
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| pvanthony | any comments about the the setting in wre.conf for modperl? | 18:53 |
| pvanthony | is 300mb seem correct? | 18:53 |
| @preaction | pvanthony: that means the wremonitor will not kill a modperl process until it's 300m or bigger | 18:54 |
| pvanthony | ok. | 18:54 |
| @preaction | which it should never reach, since Apache2::SizeLimit kicks in before that | 18:54 |
| @preaction | see wre/etc/modperl.pl for that value | 18:54 |
| pvanthony | great | 18:54 |
| pvanthony | should wremonitor be able to restart a stopped service? | 18:54 |
| pvanthony | or that is not the job of wremonitor. | 18:55 |
| pvanthony | just asking | 18:55 |
| @preaction | yes, it should, but usually if something is wrong it can't | 18:56 |
| pvanthony | ok. thanks. Will check my configs again. | 18:57 |
| @preaction | question: Should the Thread class's "getNextThread" and "getPreviousThread" take sticky threads into account? | 19:10 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11181 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): | 19:11 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Document that Clone 0.31 is now required. This was missed in the | 19:11 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: 7.6.24 release. | 19:11 |
| @preaction | IOW: if I hit the first Sticky thread, should the "next" thread be the second sticky thread? | 19:11 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11182 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: Fix typos in the lastUpdated for newly added Account_Inbox labels. | 19:26 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11183 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document fix for strange i18n server behavior. | 19:26 |
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| pvanthony | thanks to everyone. Have a great weekend. bye | 19:42 |
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| @preaction | alright, different question: Should getNextThread / getPreviousThread act like the getThreadsPaginator of the Collab? | 20:04 |
| @preaction | right now there's more than one difference between the two... | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think they should | 20:09 |
| @preaction | what about the sticky thing? i can see both sides (yes and no) | 20:09 |
| @preaction | oh god damn it, there's ANOTHER way to get posts... | 20:12 |
| @preaction | i'm up to 5 now | 20:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, i think this adventure is getting a blog post... | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | He's off to see the wizard... | 20:24 |
| @preaction | 2 of them check version tags, 2 of them use "rating" instead of "threadRating", two of them use existing methods, two of them process input (in an API method... bad!) | 20:24 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11184 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added test for adjacent threads | 20:40 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11185 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: fixed problem in test using <=> instead of cmp | 20:40 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11186 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added tests for getAdjacentThread | 20:40 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11187 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: fixed issue with getSortOrder and rating | 20:40 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11188 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added changelog entry | 20:40 |
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| dionak | hi all. i'm trying out the version tag approval workflow on 7.6. We just completed an upgrade and I have a site that has the 'commit with approval' workflow set in settings for the default version tag workflow. | 20:52 |
| dionak | how does one approve the changes? is it email only? | 20:53 |
| @preaction | the site sends an inbox message, which may or may not get sent to your e-mail | 20:53 |
| dionak | may or may not? | 20:53 |
| @preaction | if you don't have an e-mail address, it can't send an e-mail | 20:53 |
| dionak | oh. does it send to all Admins? | 20:54 |
| @preaction | it sends to the Group To Approve in the workflow activity "Get Approval From ..." properties | 20:54 |
| @preaction | by default, Content Managers | 20:54 |
| dionak | ok, i also just noticed messages in my inbox on the site | 20:54 |
| dionak | nice | 20:54 |
| @preaction | check out my presentation from last year's WUC about "Advanced Workflow" | 20:54 |
| dionak | k | 20:54 |
| @preaction | it goes through all the fun ways you can send approval notices | 20:55 |
| dionak | oh nice! that's exactly what i need | 20:55 |
| dionak | thanks preaction | 20:55 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11189 /translations/Italian/Italian/ (21 files): Update from translation server | 20:56 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/building-advanced-workflows#1ncAXk__Z8aGTh1yH_EvEQ <- this one | 20:56 |
| dionak | the next thing my client is going to ask is how to easily preview the changes | 20:56 |
| dionak | does the tag activate when i click through to the version tag link? looks like it should | 20:57 |
| @preaction | it doesn't activate, but the "view" link lets you see the asset as it will be when you approve it | 20:58 |
| @preaction | being able to join the tag as you approve it would be a nice feature, but the problem is that sometimes non-Turn Admin On are approving | 20:58 |
| @preaction | (so they'd never be able to leave the tag, because they can't turn admin on) | 20:58 |
| dionak | oh | 20:58 |
| dionak | gotcha | 20:58 |
| dionak | it looks like if I don't get the email, I can't deny/approve. is this your understanding as well? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | if you don't get the inbox message, no, there's no way to get the link (unless you typed it in manually) | 21:04 |
| @preaction | there's currently no place to get a list of all the tags awaiting your approval (which I hope to change) | 21:04 |
| dionak | I think that is an important ability | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like an account plugin | 21:05 |
| @preaction | it should be pretty easy, just get the workflowId from the assetVersionTag table, then instanciate the workflow, get the currentActivityId, instanciate that activity, and check user->isInGroup( $instance->groupToApprove ) | 21:05 |
| @preaction | okay, so if these fixes in the collab system (major refactor) aren't going in until WebGUI 8, that means I can just do it and merge later | 21:41 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 21:52 | |
| +perlDreamer | the fun run is next Saturday, so I need to get in some more miles | 21:52 |
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| oversillo | hi, sorry for my bad english, can i setup webgui to host multi sites ? | 22:09 |
| @preaction | oversillo: yes. all you need to do is make more config files in /data/WebGUI/etc | 22:10 |
| @preaction | if you're using the WRE, you can just "addsite.pl --sitename=<newsite>" | 22:10 |
| oversillo | preaction, ohh.. thanks | 22:10 |
| oversillo | webgui is very cool | 22:11 |
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| @tavisto | webgui roxxorz | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's because of the superior marketing effort | 00:27 |
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| hansw | preaction, does it just add an server alias and restart apache? | 00:37 |
| hansw | that would be cool | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | addsite.pl just builds configuration files for the WRE | 00:38 |
| hansw | but the database should be domain aware for that | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to restart modperl and modproxy and spectre after that | 00:38 |
| hansw | they are restarted when you restart apache afaik, so that is only one restart | 00:39 |
| hansw | maybe spectre requires some other restart? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | in the WRE, there is one apache for running webgui | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | another apache for running mod_proxy | 00:39 |
| hansw | hmmm, why? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | memory usage, and speed | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the apache running mod_proxy is really stripped down | 00:40 |
| hansw | ah, ok | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it serves up static content, and dispatches to the mod_perl apache that WebGUI runs under | 00:40 |
| hansw | is caching also configured in the mod_proxy instance? | 00:40 |
| hansw | in that case it could be used to load balance more or less | 00:41 |
| hansw | on seperated servers | 00:41 |
| hansw | images and documents on server x, database on server y, proxy on z | 00:42 |
| @preaction | well really you could put the images on z as well | 00:42 |
| hansw | x and y could be alterred | 00:42 |
| @preaction | i've got a blog post on the spike about how the WRE has changed over the years: unless your image is protected from Everyone (only Registered Users or something), mod_proxy serves it up | 00:43 |
| hansw | preaction, true, but some very busy sites might benefit from it | 00:43 |
| @preaction | the performance benefit is from not using mod_perl. mod_perl is huge and slow (compared to the mod_proxy instance) | 00:43 |
| @preaction | so basically our goal is to keep as much as possible away from mod_perl | 00:43 |
| hansw | true, had some problems this week | 00:43 |
| hansw | but not comparable to a current webgui | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | bug fixed, tavisto | 02:42 |
| @tavisto | nice | 02:44 |
| @tavisto | that didn't take long brotha | 02:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | I always take care of the homies, tavisto | 02:48 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11190 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): If adding content from the asset manager, return user to the asset manager. | 02:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11191 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): Backporting asset manager usability fix for adding content. | 02:51 |
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| SynQ2 | morning | 12:48 |
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| elnino | wow - hardly anyone is here.. everyone on vacation? | 03:46 |
| elnino | anyone know how to display the actual file size on the folder asset when the file is greater than one Meg? | 03:47 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11192 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: Fix some POD. Backups go in /tmp, not /var | 05:42 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11193 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make account inbox template layout symmetrical on both top and bottom bars. | 06:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11194 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting account inbox templating change. | 06:38 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11195 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Account_Inbox.pm Asset.pm): Update from translation server | 11:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11196 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 11:53 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11197 /translations/German/German/WebGUIProfile.pm: Update from translation server | 11:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | . | 07:25 |
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| carogray | hello - good morning good day | 13:55 |
| carogray | just go this error message - the first error message received after spending 3 days on and off trying to dump some html into and html window for the rich text editor: | 13:56 |
| carogray | Request-URI Too Large The requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server. | 13:56 |
| carogray | what does this mean? | 13:56 |
| +bartjol | well, an URI has a maximum length | 13:58 |
| +bartjol | and I heard someone mentyion that some HTML was put into the URL | 13:59 |
| +bartjol | which caused the error | 13:59 |
| +bartjol | assuming it is the same error | 13:59 |
| +bartjol | unfortunately I don't remember the solution or the person that had the problem | 14:00 |
| carogray | whats the diff between URI and URL? | 14:02 |
| +bartjol | I think it is explained here: | 14:03 |
| +bartjol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI | 14:03 |
| carogray | ok thanks bartjol...will go check it out and then maybe I will understand what putting HTML into URL means....hmm. will check it out thanks for the direction. | 14:04 |
| +bartjol | well, it won't solve the bug, but at least you know wha'ts happening | 14:05 |
| carogray | right at least I can look at what is going on and see if I can fix it in some way that it will work for now... | 14:07 |
| carogray | this is v. helpful thanks. | 14:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | morning | 17:50 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11198 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting shortcut fixes for dashboard. | 18:27 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, re: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes? | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | the only thing you were able to find was the issue with how it was configured? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and the bug resurfaced even after fixing the configuration issue | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's still out there | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | i wish i understood POE better | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too. I'm sure we will after this bug is found and fixed | 18:45 |
| @Haarg | too much stuff going on behind the scenes with spectre to debug easily | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have an opinion on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9959 | 18:45 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i do, if you use $session->privilege->noAccess instead of $session->privilege->insufficient, logging in will take you to where you wanted to go | 18:56 |
| @preaction | so the solution could be to use noAccess everywhere instead of insufficient | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I'm not sure that was the point. | 18:59 |
| Magnetic | hey all, I am looking over the webgui docs, and I can't seem to find a cheat sheet for the <tmpl_></tmpl_> markup. Does anyone know of a resource? | 18:59 |
| @preaction | Magnetic: google for "HTML::Template" | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | he wants to pass URL parameters through after successfully logging in | 18:59 |
| @Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~samtregar/HTML-Template-2.9/Template.pm | 18:59 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: yes, and i'm saying WebGUI does that if you use noAccess | 19:00 |
| @preaction | i had this same problem, and that's how i fixed it (after JT set me straight after going on a week-long wild goose chase of code) | 19:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: do you just remember that stuff or do you keep a wiki? | 19:01 |
| @preaction | i just remember | 19:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Always seems like I'll find something like that then need it six months later, but don't remember. | 19:01 |
| @preaction | but like so many things, i don't know that i know it, so i can't just call this up until someone needs it (by asking) | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, maybe I'm just thick today, but doesn't noAccess mean that the user failed to login? | 19:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Thus is the life of a guru. | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if they failed to login, then the url params won't do any good? | 19:02 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: no, it means the user is not logged in at all | 19:03 |
| @preaction | and this is why i need to revisit the whole WebGUI::Session::Privilege module: if noAccess sees that you are indeed logged in, it just calls insufficient | 19:03 |
| @preaction | iow, insufficient should not exist. there should be two error messages, one for Admin Only, one for Insufficient (you don't have privs, but you could do this if you did, perhaps you need to login to a different account) | 19:04 |
| @preaction | which should really be two WebGUI::Error classes that should be thrown. no WebGUI::Session::Privilege required | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Privilege is nice because it handles the page style and content all in 1 call | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think the problem is the URL the user was trying to get to | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's the URL query params | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | letting that happen in general is dangerous | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | once he logs in, it'll still strip the query params | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | which is the right thing to do | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want to pass data into WebGUI, it should be done via cookies | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | set a cookie in the remote shop | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | make the user log in | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and then access the cookie from WebGUI | 19:09 |
| @preaction | so trying to get a URL to a ;pn=2 is bad? | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no, this one is bad: ?func=purgeList;assetId=PBasset000000000000001 | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can think of a few other good ones, too | 19:10 |
| @preaction | well, to take your example, if you have admin privileges you should know what a URL is about to do | 19:10 |
| @preaction | we can't protect against all forms of stupidity, and we can't protect against malice | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you mean like PHP? :) | 19:11 |
| @preaction | or, the WebGUI::Error could say exactly what you were trying to do, unlike now where there's just a generic message | 19:11 |
| @preaction | and then it will be "Login to delete asset Root and all descendants" | 19:12 |
| @preaction | which hopefully would cause someone to think twice | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | but how are we supposed to build WebGUI::Error messages for the whole set of allowed URL and form params? | 19:13 |
| @preaction | the www_ method throws. it includes information like "desiredAction", then all the URL params are stored in the scratch "redirectAfterLogin" (just like how it works now) | 19:14 |
| @preaction | getting a WebGUI::Error::Privilege will tell WebGUI::URL::Content to show a login page | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | here's another good one: ;op=auth;method=deactivateAccount | 19:15 |
| @preaction | i'm saying that right now all of these places have to return a page. instead they could throw an exception and we could build a page from the exception's properties | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but that's not exactly the same topic as allowing outside sites to pass arbitrary params through a login request | 19:18 |
| @preaction | no, but it would address your objections | 19:18 |
| @Haarg | the issue you are talking about perlDreamer is much larger than just with logins | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | what am I missing, Haarg? | 19:19 |
| @Haarg | we are vulnerable to tons of csrf issues | 19:20 |
| Magnetic | has anyone put out an IDE that has support for the tpml markup? | 19:21 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, can you get to www.cmsmatrix.org? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: yes | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Magnetic, what is tpml? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: it's really slow though | 19:23 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. I cant pull it up.. son of ah | 19:25 |
| @tavisto | thanks | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems a little slow | 19:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Magnetic I think means HTML::Template | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no, WebGUI support for WYSIWIG template editing currently exists | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I don't know of any IDE support for Perl template engines either. | 19:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you grabbing F11 tomorrow? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I may | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | installing it is an entirely different question. | 19:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no more excitment of fedora/ | 19:34 |
| * perlDreamer is too scared of breakage anymore | 19:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | audio used to work | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | keyboard used to work all the time | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | now it doesn't | 19:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | maybe you should try Ubuntu? twice as many users | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | they have the same problems :/ | 19:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I know, you need a new laptop :D | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed. Now if only you could convince the company comptroller of that ;) | 19:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bah a new pimped out lappy only runs about 800 or so. Chump change to a major playa like you :P | 19:37 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how is this url hardcoded? <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="^Extras(wobject/Survey/surveyedit.css);" /> | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not | 19:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10486 | 19:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure I understand the problem | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | none of the files in extras gets processed by WebGIU | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so it doesn't expand macros | 19:48 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | doesn't expand the macros. I hate when the macros aren't expanded :P | 19:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Ah, what is "expanding macros"? | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | processing them | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | evaluating them | 19:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So we shoudln't use macros, like the Extras(); macro, to load files from the extras dir? | 19:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Nevermind, I'll leave that bug to someone who knows what's going on. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you should, but not in any file IN the extras directory | 19:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | surveyedit.css has hardcoded extras paths that don't use the extras macro? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | background: url(/extras/wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif) no-repeat; | 19:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | right | 19:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | that's not a call to the macro | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the extrasURL is set in the config file | 19:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so it may not be /extras | 19:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ic | 19:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it suxors, d00d | 19:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wait | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and then there's the whole gateway issue | 19:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | / may not be / | 19:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | set in the VirtualHost | 19:53 |
| @Haarg | that's the normal way it is configured | 19:53 |
| @Haarg | but that isn't required | 19:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So css that needs hard coded paths should be snippets with macros? | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | or, I _think_ you can use URLs relative to the CSS's path | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | in javascript it's relatively easy to work around the problem using getWebguiProperty | 19:55 |
| @Haarg | you can | 19:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | damn it, just comitted Asset.pm and have no idea what changes I'd made in it. JS, have to roll that back. | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you added a debug line, that's all | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=11200 | 20:09 |
| @Haarg | also, there is no guarantee the extras url starts with /extras/ | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I changed the paths to be relative from their current locations. | 20:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh crap.....I backed out too far then. | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | s{../extras}{}; | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | s{\.\./extras}{}; | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ../../yui doesn't work. But ../../../extras/yui works. I need a different line of work :P | 20:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I wonder if ../../ will work on windoze machines. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a URL | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | if ../../yui/ doesn't work there is something else going wrong | 20:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11199 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 20:20 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Better template diagnostics on failure. It now also includes the template URL, and templateId | 20:20 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: in both the onscreen and logged output. | 20:20 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11200 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Changed survey .js/css files to remove hardcoded absolute extras paths. | 20:20 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11201 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Removed debug line, whups. | 20:20 |
| @preaction | http://www.macrumorslive.com/ <- JOIN US IN NOT WORKING! | 20:39 |
| hansw | ow shit, poor sysop@work | 20:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | PC begging for ideas, offering cash. | 20:42 |
| hansw | he will need to support this for a few people | 20:42 |
| @preaction | this? being WebGUI? | 20:42 |
| hansw | too :-) | 20:42 |
| hansw | I meant apple | 20:42 |
| @preaction | ahh | 20:43 |
| hansw | support for Exchange .... | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | would probably be good to go over everything in extras and make sure we are still using it | 20:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | thus, the world of WebGUI grinds to a screeching halt | 21:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to go running. | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Any last second issues? | 21:51 |
| @preaction | ha, ha ha ha, we're not working. why would there be issues? | 21:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, suppose I should finish figuring out that path bug. | 21:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Okay, ../../../extras works but ../../yui works. Why? Maybe the relative path I'm assuming is wrong. | 21:53 |
| @preaction | don't use ../../ use the getWebguiProperty('extrasURL') | 21:56 |
| @preaction | it's a global, added to every page | 21:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Anyone ever played with image bundling JS? GWT has a tool that helps get around loading several small images on a screen. Most of those images are smaller than the HTML headers, and you are limited to two connections at a time. | 21:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay for JS, but what about css? | 21:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But the GWT has a tool for combining all your images for a page onto a single image, which is then broken up and used by the JS. So only a single image grab per template. | 21:57 |
| SynQ | tavisto: new! | 21:58 |
| SynQ | official demo sites in europe | 21:58 |
| SynQ | demo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl | 21:58 |
| SynQ | that is worth a news-item on www.webgui.org if you ask me | 21:58 |
| SynQ | perlDreamer: do note it in the WWN | 21:59 |
| @tavisto | wait a sec, are you telling me that people use WebGUI in Europe? | 21:59 |
| SynQ | well | 21:59 |
| SynQ | probably not | 22:00 |
| SynQ | since the demo.webgui.org is quite a shitty experience from here | 22:00 |
| SynQ | but now there is a chance to change all that | 22:00 |
| SynQ | :) | 22:00 |
| @tavisto | hehe so it's pretty slow from the EU eh | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | I agree that it deserves to be in the WebGUI news | 22:01 |
| SynQ | well | 22:02 |
| SynQ | try it the other way around | 22:02 |
| @tavisto | it went fast | 22:02 |
| SynQ | compare demobeta.webgui.nl to demobeta.webgui.org | 22:02 |
| @tavisto | I just did it | 22:02 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:02 |
| @tavisto | I did demo | 22:02 |
| SynQ | well that is good news too :) | 22:02 |
| SynQ | have you tried admin mode? | 22:02 |
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| @tavisto | still don't have any complaints | 22:03 |
| SynQ | ok | 22:04 |
| elnino | hi!!! just double checking to see if there is a template variable to tell me the type of asset something is in a navigation template. I'm not seeing anything... | 22:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I moved surveyedit.css to a snippet. When I submit it should I also delete the .css file in the extras dir? | 22:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I mean, obviously I should, but I hate to delete files without double checking. | 22:14 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, did you get the info on this version tag issue? | 22:14 |
| @Haarg | yes you should delete it | 22:15 |
| @tavisto | If so I'm going to move on and delete this pending version tag and then approve the other tags he created on cmsmatrix | 22:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11202 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Final correction on extras path error for administersurvey.js. surveyedit.css should be placed in a snippet using Extras macro. | 22:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | GWT would allow me to vastly clean up the Survey editor, and probably the taking of a survey. Some really slick stuff with no added libraries, and easily wrappable around YUI. My first concern would be where to store the Java project used to create the JS? Or just use the prettified JS output and only put tha tin the repos? | 22:35 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11203 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Moved surveyedit.css to a snippet. Pointed template url at the new snippet. | 23:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: I'll report it on WNN | 23:08 |
| SynQ | thanks | 23:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, re this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10006. Could you please check your groups setup? | 23:16 |
| elnino | I've never looked at modperl.conf before... it's the default: User webgui | 23:18 |
| elnino | Group #-1 | 23:18 |
| elnino | I'm assuming that is what you want? | 23:18 |
| elnino | so I guess I change Group to "webgui"? | 23:20 |
| @Haarg | if you'd be willing to test it, try commenting out the Group directive entirely | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | and upload a file and check the owner group | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe user webgui does not have a default group on that system? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so that #-1 doesn't resolve to anything | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so it uses the GID | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we're back to -1 being something really big | 23:22 |
| elnino | webgui is a group on the system. 1007 | 23:26 |
| elnino | hmm. well somewhere, I got instructions to set the uploads directory to webgui webgui I'm trying to find them on the wiki | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | right, but what does root@localhost> groups webgui say? | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if the webgui user does not have any groups set up | 23:27 |
| elnino | >groups webgui says "webgui" | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:30 |
| elnino | was that response correct? | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's correct, but it doesn't explain the bug | 23:32 |
| elnino | I wonder if this is a carry over from when I did a source install. I can't find the wiki. I seem to remember it saying chown webgui:webgui... Things have been modified since then. Like I posted, it doesn't affect functionality, i just happened to notice it when poking around. | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | i've definitely seen the same issues on other servers | 23:32 |
| elnino | oh. | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's an apache bug? | 23:32 |
| elnino | well, let me know what I can do... | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, is it still happening? | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | can you test commenting out the Group directive? | 23:33 |
| elnino | that's a good question. | 23:33 |
| elnino | I am still runing 7.5 | 23:33 |
| elnino | I guess I figured it would take the paren'ts directory chown settings.. | 23:34 |
| elnino | Yes, Haarg, I'll give that a try. Just a sec. | 23:34 |
| elnino | no idea if it's still happneing - lemme look | 23:34 |
| elnino | yes, it still happens. | 23:34 |
| elnino | Let me try commenting it out. | 23:35 |
| elnino | so, if # is a comment, does that mean that #-1 is commented out? just wondering. | 23:36 |
| @Haarg | supposedly not | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | which is a bit odd | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | #-1 says to refer to the group by number, otherwise it assumes a name | 23:37 |
| elnino | I know that what it *says*, but? it's a bit odd as Haarg puts it. | 23:37 |
| elnino | =) | 23:37 |
| @Haarg | well, #(number) refers to a group by number, #-1 refers to User's primary group | 23:38 |
| elnino | side question. Why can't mysql support "isnumeric" grr. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see that in the Groups directive docs | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#group | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | odd | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | i could swear i just read that there | 23:40 |
| elnino | why can't it just inherit public/ directorys settings | 23:41 |
| elnino | is that too windowy? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | no, for that you'd have to set the group sticky bit | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | g+s | 23:41 |
| elnino | k. I commened out the group #-1 and replaced it with nothing else. | 23:43 |
| elnino | uploaded a photo | 23:43 |
| elnino | and the uploads/aq directory was created today with a group number of 4294967295 | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's the last updated directory? | 23:44 |
| elnino | so your saying if I set the sticy bit on my uploads directory, it would use uploads user/group? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's supposed to | 23:45 |
| elnino | 13:42 dated today. I'd say yes. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, what happens if you set the group explicitly to webgui: Group webgui | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | does that behave better? | 23:45 |
| elnino | I suspect it would | 23:45 |
| elnino | I'll try. | 23:45 |
| elnino | or do you want me to o the sticky bit? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | no, please just the Group setting | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | one tweak at a time | 23:46 |
| elnino | oh. and I'm only restarting mod perl.. that is sufficent right? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | mod_proxy is only supposed to serve files, not make them | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but it never hurts to do them both | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | ok, now that i'm not confused about the #-1 thing, the way it is behaving sounds correct. and we just need to adjust it to use a real group. | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | do we need to patch the WRE? | 23:48 |
| elnino | well. I changed the group to be group webgui and restarted modperl only and uploaded a new file and it was given the webgui group as specified. | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 23:49 |
| elnino | so, restarting modperl seems to be sufficent. | 23:49 |
| elnino | and specifing a group name works. | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Group #1007 (or whatever the right GID) would probably work, too | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but webgui leaves nothing to doubt | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Can I ask one more favor of you? Would you please post back to the bug saying that the fix is? | 23:50 |
| elnino | sure. the fix it to specify webgui? | 23:51 |
| elnino | s/it/is | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:51 |
| elnino | done. | 23:57 |
| elnino | is there a way to know what type of asset something is in the navigation template? | 23:59 |
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| elnino | I see the isContainer and isUtility template variables, is that all I have available to me? | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's it | 00:00 |
| elnino | bummer | 00:00 |
| elnino | k | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a 3 line RFE | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | add the template variable | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | add the template Help doc | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | add the i18n for the help doc | 00:01 |
| @Haarg | the class name should be available as well i believe | 00:02 |
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| @Haarg | so it would probably be possible to do something based on that using HTML::Template::Expr | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: not to bust your chops, but removing the file on a customer's site will require an upgrade sub | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | className isn't one of the vars | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | upgrades don't remove files though | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | navigation includes $asset->get | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it does! | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | for all assets | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I missed that | 00:03 |
| elnino | what? | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | page.property (page.className) | 00:03 |
| elnino | So.. <tmpl_var page.className> is supposed to work? it doesn't print anything. | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | 7.6 only i think | 00:09 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, i've been dreaming about other things other than webgui for a while..my customer has no money so I haven't been looking at this server for what seems a very long time. | 00:10 |
| elnino | . I'd be happy to do this rfe... but help me.. what file do I look at in /lib | 00:10 |
| elnino | ? | 00:10 |
| @preaction | WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 00:10 |
| @preaction | look in sub view {} | 00:11 |
| elnino | perfect. I didn't lok under Wobject. | 00:11 |
| elnino | haarg.... oh ok. I'll upgrade.... | 00:11 |
| hansw | preaction, is 7.x just as easy to explain to newbies as 5.x? | 00:12 |
| hansw | I gave a demo to 4 people and was rather suprised to see them filling the site with only a few phonecalls to support them | 00:13 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11204 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix the error message shown when you try to send a message from the Inbox, but none | 00:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: of your friends allow private messaging. | 00:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11205 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update help to show that ALL asset variables are available for every page in the page_loop. | 00:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11206 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Account inbox error message fix for unmessagable friends. | 00:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11207 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: And more changes. | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, we can't stick in unlink $oldCruftyFile into an upgrade subroutine and have it manually delete files on the user's site? | 00:15 |
| @Haarg | we can, but usually don't | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so we should just leave it be. Okay | 00:16 |
| elnino | So I should upgrade first, then do the rfe? what to I give to who? a diff? the actual files? I'll create the rfe now. | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if you upgrade, you'll get the code that does the rfe automatically | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's in 7.6 | 00:21 |
| elnino | well, I also want groupIdView | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in there, too | 00:22 |
| elnino | but I suppose | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ALL the asset properties are in there | 00:22 |
| elnino | you beat me to it. | 00:22 |
| elnino | perfect. | 00:22 |
| elnino | you guys are awesome. | 00:22 |
| elnino | I'm going to pull weeds now. Have a great day! | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | see ya, elnino! | 00:23 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11208 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update Navigation docs to show that all asset variables are available for each asset in the page_loop. | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11209 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm: Backporting more Asset_Navigation docs. | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11210 /translations/German/German/Asset_MatrixListing.pm: Update from translation server | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11211 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the Story when handling images of different sizes. Add a | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: photoWidth property to the StoryArchive, and resize all newly uploaded pictures | 01:15 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: to a Story. | 01:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, patspam | 02:44 |
| +patspam | morning! | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you pretty familiar with Yslow, the Firebug plug-in? | 02:46 |
| +patspam | aye | 03:02 |
| +patspam | I'm doing a WUC talk on it :) | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know if the DOC time is independent of the other components on the page? | 03:07 |
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| +patspam | yup, I think so, in the sense that the time reported there is just the time to download the initial html doc | 03:09 |
| +patspam | you see the same time reported in the firebug Net panel | 03:10 |
| +patspam | is that what you're asking? | 03:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 03:11 |
| * perlDreamer was hoping it was otherwise | 03:11 | |
| +patspam | of course, the time it takes wg to generate the html may well be dependent on other components | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that is true | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but 13 seconds seems long | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in any case, Mrs. Dreamer is calling me for dinner. | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 03:13 |
| +patspam | enjoy! | 03:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, have you tried Google Page Speed yet? | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It's by the same guy who wrote Yslow, except he works for Google now :) | 05:23 |
| +patspam | steve souders? | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and, it has graphical output | 05:23 |
| @preaction | ha, nice :p | 05:23 |
| +patspam | awesome, gotta check it! | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | showing load times and relative positioning of events | 05:24 |
| +patspam | I'll definitely check it out, thanks perlDreamer | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still trying to make heads and tails of the output | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | one bummer is that you can't zoom or scroll the graph | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | nor get to the real data | 05:26 |
| +patspam | where is the graphing? | 05:28 |
| +patspam | wow, it tells you how many bytes you could save by compressing images, that's pretty cool | 05:29 |
| +patspam | ah i see, in "Page Speed Activity" | 05:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ: are you burning the late night oil? | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | You start recording, then do a page load, which is awkward because Firebug is Inspecting while you do that | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and Ctrl-R is overloaded to both mean start recording | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and reloda page | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | reload page | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and watch it do its magic | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if you wait too long | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll lose the origin | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's no scrolling | 06:04 |
| +patspam | hilarious, https://aus.us-visaservices.com has an invalid SSL certificate | 06:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | that is funny :) | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, just out of curiosity, how long do your Admin mode load times take on a page? | 06:29 |
| +patspam | on a localhost dev site? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 06:29 |
| +patspam | doc loads in 432ms | 06:30 |
| +patspam | had refresh on page takes about 4secs | 06:31 |
| +patspam | there's another firebug plugin by steve souders called hammerhead that does full page load time measurements | 06:31 |
| +patspam | but it's a bit alpha | 06:33 |
| * patspam heads out for lunch | 06:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for the chat, patspam | 06:33 |
| +patspam | pleasure as always! :) | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that steve souders is a busy guy | 06:52 |
| oversillo | hi all, sorry for my bad english, what WRE is recomended for install on Debian Lenny distribution ? wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz ? | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that is a source install, oversillo. You'd have to compile the WRE by hand from there. | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I know they're working on a Lenny build for 0.9.3 | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just a matter of time | 07:00 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11212 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey Preview a little less brutal | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11213 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fixed bug in privs check for Survey::www_showFeedback | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11214 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Survey cleanup and minor bug fixes | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Cleaned up edit page tabs | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Improved API docs | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added noCreate option to responseId so that it doesn't create unnecessary responses | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added groupToTakeSurvey priv check to takeSurvey | 07:06 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11215 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: | 07:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix a bug with the backported Shortcut code. User->get doesn't exist | 07:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: in 7.6. | 07:07 |
| oversillo | there are a WRE compilation manual ? | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | just the instructions on the wiki | 07:09 |
| oversillo | ok, thanks | 07:09 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11216 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed #9912: Account/Friends, only message one Friend at a time. | 08:13 |
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| +bartjol | patspam: in relation to http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9353 , have you had any problems with the links in the activation message in 7.7? | 12:40 |
| +bartjol | my semicolons are transferred into %3b | 12:41 |
| +bartjol | already tried to replace the addtext method with the addHtmlRaw method, but without succes | 12:42 |
| +bartjol | in firefox that is | 12:50 |
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| +bartjol | adding a NE flag to my rewrite rule helped | 13:48 |
| +bartjol | strange thing is that that flag wasn't given in another site (7.6.25 instead of 7.7.9) but it worked fine | 14:00 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11217 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS. | 15:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | What's new today in the world of wG? | 16:36 |
| +bartjol | I'm 31 | 16:40 |
| +bartjol | I consider myself a part of the world of WebGUI | 16:41 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11218 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS. | 16:53 |
| +bartjol | thanks bopbop | 16:55 |
| @bopbop | sure, hope you have a good one! | 16:57 |
| +bartjol | workig and games tonight | 16:58 |
| @bopbop | cross out working :) | 16:58 |
| +bartjol | no actually I did some usefull stuff today, Koen even complemented me ;) | 16:58 |
| @bopbop | oh, well that is something! | 16:58 |
| @bopbop | his birthday gift to you | 16:59 |
| +bartjol | well, I should throw a party when I wanna have gifts | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | me thinks http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10280 can be resolved | 17:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bartjol: happy b-day bartjol. got any big plans? | 17:17 |
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| tomsuchy | Hi everyone. I may have run into a small problem with GIT. I had a merge conflict, and, being a novice at GIT, I googled it for possible resolutions. One of them indicated I should reset --hard HEAD, which ended up losing two files on me that apparently had not been committed yet. Is there any way to recover those files? Thanks for any help you can provide. | 17:21 |
| tomsuchy | I was told there were some GIT experts here, so I thought it'd be a good place to ask. | 17:22 |
| tomsuchy | this is, of course, before I panic and run screaming through the house. | 17:22 |
| @Haarg | the files were modified but not committed? | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | perlmonkey2: nope | 17:23 |
| @Haarg | were they related to the merge at all? | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | and thanks btw | 17:23 |
| tomsuchy | hi Haarg, thanks for answering. They were not related to the merge at all. They WERE committed just prior to the push to origin. | 17:25 |
| tomsuchy | i have a script that runs commit -a and then push origin, so they must've been committed. | 17:25 |
| tomsuchy | but, then I did the reset --hard HEAD... | 17:25 |
| @Haarg | well, the first thing to check is the reflog | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | git reflog | 17:26 |
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| @Haarg | it should give you a history of what HEAD pointed to | 17:26 |
| tomsuchy | yes, it's not detailed enough, and since i'm fairly sparse with comments (this is all new development, so i'm not detailed in my update logs) | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | did this just happen? | 17:28 |
| @Haarg | the reflog is different from the normal log | 17:28 |
| tomsuchy | it just happened within the last hour. here are some lines from it. | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | 3d954bf... HEAD@{0}: pull : Fast forward | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | 18756df... HEAD@{1}: origin: updating HEAD | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | 96b9857... HEAD@{2}: commit: development updates | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | 42f18c9... HEAD@{3}: commit: development changes | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | sorry for span | 17:29 |
| tomsuchy | er, spam. | 17:29 |
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| @Haarg | you should be able to look through those commits to find one with the files you need | 17:31 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:32 |
| +bartjol | morning SquOnk | 17:39 |
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| SquOnk | bartjol: Hey there | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | tomsuchy: when you really have a lot put it on patsebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 17:47 |
| tomsuchy | cool, next time i will, thanks. pastebin looks like a good idea. | 17:48 |
| +bartjol | patsebin, yeah, I'm really on top of it now | 17:50 |
| +bartjol | and I also see a real git freenode channel (not trying to move you away), using WebGUI might also be a good plan for you ;) | 17:56 |
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| tomsuchy | thanks bartjol, i got my git problems resolved thanks to Haarg. | 18:08 |
| +bartjol | great! | 18:10 |
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| SquOnk | Who's in charge of LDAP Auth? | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | nobody in particular | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | although khenn wrote most of it i believe | 18:15 |
| SquOnk | I see. | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | It still doesn't work with ldaps:// URIs | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | It has to do with the fact that the URI given in WebGUI's config is being deconstructed while constructing the Net::LDAP object | 18:19 |
| ckotil | awww. i was hoping to start playing with ldaps soon | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | $uri->host() and $uri->port() will end up giving the proper host and the proper port, but then you lose the method | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | Line 67 of Auth/LDAP.pm | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | if ($ldap = Net::LDAP->new($uri->host, (port=>$uri->port))) { | 18:20 |
| +bartjol | tabee | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | needs to be changed to | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | $ldap = Net::LDAP->new( $uri ) | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | That way, one simpy writes ldap://foo/ or ldaps://foo/ and it will work. | 18:22 |
| SquOnk | (For ldaps:// you only need to have the CA Certificate somewhere appropiate) | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, are you downloading as we speak? | 19:04 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, of course | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: won't have it until I wake up tomorrow though. Even if I could manage to get full speeds. | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Thinking of going up to the University to download there. | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | there ya go | 19:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | might get more done up there too. Can't stop playing with GWT. | 19:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how much do you have downloaded? | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | none | 19:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | should buy a cheap second hard drive so you can just swap it out, install, and see if F11 corrects your issues. Old lappy drive run like $20-30. | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not too bad | 19:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I mean, ext4. Encrypt your drive and still see a large performance boost. | 19:12 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11219 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Shortcut/querybuilder.css: Fix hardcoded extra in Shortcut query builder. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I've looked through the code, and i can't find anywhere that uses extras/WebGUI.js | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | does anyone know any differently? | 19:41 |
| @preaction | check templates? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | not yet | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if there's a wgd widget for dumping them all | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI.js has been untouched since 2005, when we switched to SVN. | 19:42 |
| @bopbop | perlDreamer: am I right that there is no "story manager"? just story archive and story topic? | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | story, story archive and story topic comprise the Story Manager | 19:43 |
| @bopbop | hmmm, is there supposed to be a story asset? | 19:44 |
| @preaction | there is a story asset yes | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but it's kind of like WikiPage, or Event | 19:44 |
| @preaction | you add them to Topic and Archives | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Only to Archives | 19:44 |
| @bopbop | so I create archives first | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:44 |
| @bopbop | ok, thx | 19:44 |
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| @bopbop | archive, topic, and then story | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | you can do topics or stories first, it doesn't matter | 19:45 |
| @preaction | you can't add them to individual topics? aww | 19:45 |
| @bopbop | anything really cool that it does that I might not notice right off the bat? (like the metadata in products and shelf?) | 19:45 |
| @preaction | that's how topics work, the keywords thing | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | topics are keyword driven, so using good keywords is important | 19:46 |
| @bopbop | so, I can assign keywords to topics and stories | 19:46 |
| @bopbop | and the stories will be added under topics | 19:46 |
| @bopbop | by that criteria? | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 19:46 |
| @bopbop | cool | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the number of stories a topic displays depends on its context | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | standalone, or as a child of a layout | 19:47 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from that, it's really, really basic | 19:48 |
| @bopbop | alright, I'll tinker with it | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the only other magic/hidden stuff is the newly committed photo resize | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if you put in more than 1 photo, the default story template will put up a YUI carousel | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if the photos are very different sized, the carousel will puke | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | visually | 19:49 |
| @bopbop | ah, good to know | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | so in 7.7.10, there is a new Archive setting that will resize all photos to a specified width | 19:49 |
| @bopbop | which is? | 19:51 |
| @bopbop | and will their stuff get squashed if that happens? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 300 by default, or whatever the user puts into the setting | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's proportionally resized, by width | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so 600x600 ends up being 300x300 | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 300x700 stays 300x700 | 19:52 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:52 |
| @bopbop | thank you | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, it's not in the templates either | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've found something that wgd will not do | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | (or that I can't figure out how to do) | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't dump all templates/assets into files for searching | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | you can edit them all one by one | 19:53 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11220 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Profiler/sortabletable.js: Remove hardcoded extrasPath in the JS. | 20:08 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the gym | 20:17 | |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer, that's something i intended to do but never finished | 20:56 |
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| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10496 | 22:47 |
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| Magnetic | Hey all, I today I have started to try to install my own wre runtime. Well, it was successful however I am having an issue accessing it from an client computer via a browser. Would this be a WEBGUI or centos issue?(I would think centOS but I have opened up the port and the issue remains) | 23:39 |
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| @Haarg | if you haven't already, try accessing it directly on the server using curl using the exact same url you tried on the client | 23:41 |
| Magnetic | localhost:60834 works, but not the IP:60834. Are you saying I should access it via IP:60384 on the server it's self? | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | yes | 23:45 |
| Magnetic | standby | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | what i've done for that in the past is to use a ssh tunnel | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | ssh user@server -L60834:localhost:60834 | 23:46 |
| topsub1 | perlDreamer, you were rigt about the summary and keywords. It works perfect! Glad to see that feature. Will allow me to put my site into webgui | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | then you would be able to go to localhost:60834 on the client machine and it would connect to the wreconsole on the server | 23:47 |
| Magnetic | open failed: connect failed: Connection refused | 23:53 |
| Magnetic | thats pretty slick haha, what is that trick called? | 23:54 |
| @preaction | Magnetic: it's SSH tunnelling | 23:55 |
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| * SquOnk has built an empire over SSH tunnels | 23:56 | |
| Magnetic | ha, never seen the CLI side of it. blasted guis :P | 23:58 |
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| daviddelikat | perlDreamer: question about a couple bug reports you made... | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm here | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | which bug reports? | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10484 | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10486 | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | how do we know what files can and cant use macros? | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | anything outside of WebGUI cannot use macros | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing that can use macros are assets, and various fields in the UI | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | most templates | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but never anything from extras | 00:08 |
| daviddelikat | so what do we replace the hardcoded text with? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | now that's a good question | 00:09 |
| daviddelikat | # 10486 | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and, btw, these are almost all wrapped up already, so they don't need more work on them | 00:09 |
| daviddelikat | I see now theres a discussion at the bottom | 00:09 |
| daviddelikat | wasn't there when I looked last... | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | we've been busy :) | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | for the CSS files, use a relative path | 00:10 |
| daviddelikat | its a good thing | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | ../../otherExtrasSubdir/foo/bar/baz | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | works fine | 00:10 |
| daviddelikat | I'm working on the help desk file | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's done already | 00:10 |
| daviddelikat | where did you put it? | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in git | 00:11 |
| daviddelikat | i guess I will have to git it out... | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | git pull origin | 00:11 |
| daviddelikat | but then I have to try to combine my changes with yours... | 00:11 |
| daviddelikat | not very easy with this package thing as far as i know | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't be a package | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's only a text file, so it will probably merge right i | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | in | 00:12 |
| daviddelikat | ok yeah | 00:12 |
| daviddelikat | ok thanks | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | For JS, you can use getWebguiProperty('extrasURL') | 00:13 |
| daviddelikat | too much to keep track of in this world... | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a small JS subroutine added to anything that gets handled by $session->style | 00:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | and it will pass you back the extrasURL | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i did a quick check of some other files in extras root and it looks like a number are unused | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | asc.gif desc.gif doubleSelect.js swapLayers.js versionDot.gif versionDotOn.gif attachment.gif | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I can pull those from svn | 00:15 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11221 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (7 files): Remove unused files from extras. | 00:24 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11222 /WebGUI/www/extras/WebGUI.js: Remove another unused file in extras. | 00:24 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11223 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Backporting extras cleanup. Remove unused files, remove hardcoded paths. | 00:24 |
| @Haarg | i'm really starting to think we should move to Locale::Maketext. the main problem would be losing context. | 00:27 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | wgd blew away my uploads dir in /data/WebGUI/www | 00:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | might be a bug | 00:28 |
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| @Haarg | what command did you run? | 00:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | j/s I'll give you the exact | 00:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but the conf was using data/WebGUI for uploads | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | well | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | don't do that :) | 00:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | alias revert="cd /data/tools/wgdev; bin/wgd reset -d --no-debug; chmod -R g+w /data/WebGUI; chown -R apache.apache /data/domains; cd -" | 00:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | :P | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | i suppose i could have it check that and bail if you have it configured that way | 00:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no biggie, just a fluke as I'm trying to configure a one off instance 7.6 just to backport a change, then hopefully never see 7.6 again. | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | croak "perlmonkey now allowed to use this feature" if $username =~ /perlmonkey; | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | i should also set up a vm to experiment with some of the permissions stuff | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | it is supposed to not need the chmod/chown stuff | 00:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: it changes permissions on me every time. | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | although i guess i never did deal with update.pl screwing it up | 00:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and users | 00:34 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: shouldn't you be out drinking yourself silly? | 00:34 |
| +BartJol | I already did that last weekend | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | still recovering | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | if run as root it is supposed to try to use the uid and gid of the uploads root | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | and match its permissions | 00:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: ah, preemptive birthday celebration to take advantage of a weekend. nice. | 00:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I probably just have something royally messed up. | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | yeah and Sarah who was visiting! | 00:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | nice | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, for Locale::Maketext, is it as speedy as our native i18n? | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | probably not | 00:36 |
| @preaction | Haarg: Locale::Maketext seems nice, but would that mean we'd have one single %Lexicon for all of WebGUI? or would we be able to inherit? | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | we would have the text in the code | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | there wouldn't be namespaces | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | at least, that's how i'm thinking of it | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | could probably be done with namespaces as well, but i'm not sure how useful that would be | 00:37 |
| +BartJol | doesn't make that internationalization hareder | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 00:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | This probably sounds strange, but why would the admin page tabbing of forms feel 100x snappier in 7.6 than 7.7? | 00:37 |
| @preaction | but there could be. a WebGUI::Localize::Article::en_US could inherit from WebGUI::Localize::en_US | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | like i say, losing the context is probably the largest problem | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | without context, BartJol could cry | 00:38 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: different YUI codebases | 00:38 |
| +BartJol | ah, which can be a problem at the moment already during translating | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or send me lots of emails... | 00:38 |
| +BartJol | in dutch | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | it would eliminate the problem of duplication though | 00:39 |
| +BartJol | that is a good thing | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | the problem with that preaction is that the english text would all be in the code | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | not in the %Lexicon | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | so i'm not sure what you would gain | 00:39 |
| @preaction | easier overriding of the english text, for those who want to | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | angry dutch, german, arabic and polish guys | 00:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | trying to make perlDreamer's deadline or I'd look it up, but this is the correct use of hte macro? background: url(^Extras(wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif);) no-repeat; | 00:40 |
| @preaction | changing "Save" to "Apply" everywhere, for example | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's a snippet | 00:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | nevermind, I have to test it anyways | 00:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yes a snippet with macros enabled | 00:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | like the 7.7 fix | 00:41 |
| @Haarg | but i'm saying they would all be in a single namespace | 00:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | although 7.6 is way different than 7.7. glad I didn't just grab the forms from 7.7 | 00:41 |
| * perlDreamer looks quiet and nice, but ware those of you who do not backport your code! | 00:41 | |
| @Haarg | so changing Save to Apply everywhere would be simple | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you think that's bad, just wait and see what happens if you don't put away your dishes after dinner! | 00:41 |
| +BartJol | well, if you finish your plates, you're ok | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | only Dutch people, __BIG__ Dutch people, eat plates | 00:43 |
| +BartJol | but by finishing your plates, you grow big, heavy and slow while eating all the stuff with dislike | 00:44 |
| +BartJol | which does sound parallel to programming | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I've been on patspam to try and get him to backport stuff, too. | 00:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I currently don't have any open wG contracts, so I might be out of the wG scene for a while. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | what? | 00:48 |
| +BartJol | perlmonkey2 wants to get spanked | 00:49 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | spanked by BartJol? I don't normally swing that way, but maybe I'll make an exception just this once :p | 00:52 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | There went this channel's PG rating. | 00:52 |
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| +BartJol | oh, sorry | 00:53 |
| +BartJol | carogray: did you work it out with that URI thingy? | 00:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, perlDreamer backports finished, just need to export and package and commit. | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, thank you very much | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, please go spank BartJol, or whatever | 00:56 |
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| +BartJol | oh, is that necessary? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, thank you very much | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, please go buy BartJol a beer, or whatever | 01:00 |
| +BartJol | well, last thing I did was having a shit | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | make that PG-13, heading toward R | 01:01 |
| +BartJol | now I'm off for a beer | 01:01 |
| +BartJol | I'm not good for this channel it seems | 01:01 |
| +BartJol | all work and no play makes Bart a dull boy | 01:01 |
| * perlDreamer has heard that BartJol is running cold water, hot water, and beer to all the taps in his house | 01:02 | |
| @Haarg | so how much do people hate my idea of having all the i18n text directly in the code and a flat namespace for translations | 01:03 |
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| * BartJol only wishes | 01:04 | |
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| carogray | hey bartjol = yes! | 01:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done. | 01:06 |
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| +BartJol | glad to hear that | 01:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 01:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: you are cracking me up. | 01:07 |
| +BartJol | what I'm doing now? | 01:07 |
| carogray | I thanks so much it was one of those sticky problems with so many factors going on we kept trying to narrow down WHAT the problem was... it was a bizarre URL that was really long and complicated that had been created by trying to transfer Word docs, to HTML and ...well | 01:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: just being your normal entertaining self. | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, it'll cut down on duplicates, which I like. The only questions I have are functional. | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | if the i18n is in the code, what happens to context? | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | it wouldn't exist | 01:08 |
| @Haarg | like i say, that's the largest problem | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | But we now know that other translation systems don't have it | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i don't know of any other system that has that | 01:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I would kill to have the i18n in the code. But what is 'context'? | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | context is notes about the i18n | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | it is in the i18n files | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | it is never used by webgui itself | 01:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 01:09 |
| +BartJol | yeah, word documents are horrible sometimes carogray | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | only the translation server | 01:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | comments | 01:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | comment your i18n code :D | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | basically | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | where it's used, giving hints on words with multiple meanings, etc. | 01:10 |
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| +BartJol | and the translations would be in a i18n like lib? | 01:10 |
| carogray | Bartjol, hah! nothing compared to what I have just finally completed today! | 01:11 |
| +BartJol | very good | 01:11 |
| carogray | had no internet access, therefore no telephone access apart frommy mobile and | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, I think Haarg's current idea (aside from Locale::Maketext) is to get rid of namespaces in i18n | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | just make it flat | 01:11 |
| carogray | I spent the entire day on the phone - mobile minutes racking up all the while trying to trouble shoot every flippin piece of this complicated network | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll get rid of many duplications right off | 01:11 |
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| @Haarg | the translation server wouldn't work much different from how it does now | 01:12 |
| carogray | ARGH! I HATE computers! | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | aside from the lack of namespaces | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | then part #2 is to say that there are no more i18n "keys" | 01:12 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:12 |
| +BartJol | making it flat is kinda positive | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | everything in code would be $i18n->('long english sentences'); | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, commenting the i18n is not that crazy | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we could say that #i18n: context | 01:12 |
| +BartJol | but sometimes english words may have multiple meanings | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | immediately after, or on the next line, would be context | 01:13 |
| +BartJol | so per meaning there should be an entry | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | we have to parse the perl anyway to build the reference for the other languages | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | so why not encode the context in the code, too? | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | there are already parsers for doing this though | 01:13 |
| @Haarg | would be substantially more work if we had to write our own | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's mainly written, just dog slow | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | well, maybe not that much more | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | critic_labels would do it | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it just needs some reentrant scoping lovve | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | well, i18n calls would be done differently as well | 01:14 |
| daviddelikat | why not put the context in the key itself? | 01:14 |
| +BartJol | as extra parameter? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | how would they be done, Haarg? | 01:15 |
| daviddelikat | so you would make your $i18n->('blah blah') with the context right there... | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no more object instanciation? | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | there would be a global object | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | a singleton? | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | per session, created with the user's language | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 01:15 |
| @Haarg | having context as part of the key or as an extra param sounds pretty nasty to me | 01:16 |
| @Haarg | adds more weight to i18n lookups as well | 01:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: quick question if you have time. I'm about to hook up an atmel micro to my thermostat to control via XBee via my server via my phone. Only problem is driving my thermostat which is a 24VAC system. I was thinking easy to get parts are the 5V trannies to flip a 12V relay I could get at an auto store. That sound workable? | 01:17 |
| @Haarg | Locale::Maketext::Lexicon has plugins to extract i18n strings from perl and Template::Toolkit | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use a mechanical relay, then you only have to worry about the selector side voltage ratings. | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | 24VAC? | 01:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | shouldn't any relay I get at an auto store be able to handle a few mA over 24V? | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | A != V | 01:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, I guess the old old old style of thermostats use 24V. or maybe its 25V | 01:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 26 | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but why is it using 24 VAC? | 01:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | my multimeter says 28VAC, but that is weird, so it must be a 24V system. | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | shouldn't it be 24 VDC? | 01:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | for my thermostat hooked up to my Air conditioner and furnace? | 01:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I don't know why it is that high, as yhou'd think microvolt ac could tell it to turn on and off, but that is how they apparently used to do it. | 01:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | maybe transformers were cheaper than inverters back then. | 01:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh well, it isn't high enough voltage to kill me, and i'm sure I can get the AC guy out within a week or two of 95 degree weather :P | 01:22 |
| daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: you might want to try setting your meter to DC and re-measure. the AC reading might show up higher than the DC | 01:23 |
| daviddelikat | if the DC measurement is flackey then you know that you really have to use AC | 01:24 |
| daviddelikat | wont hurt the meater at all | 01:24 |
| daviddelikat | ( at least it didn't hurt mine... ) | 01:24 |
| daviddelikat | s/flackey/flakey/ | 01:24 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r601c6a3 / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 01:31 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: Add support for an explicit group for Apache. | 01:31 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: By default, it looks for the default group for the user in the | 01:31 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: config file. Add support for putting the group in the | 01:31 |
| CIA-23 | wrebuild: config file in the future. - http://bit.ly/B20oA | 01:31 |
| * perlDreamer has never heard of a system that signals with 24VAC | 01:42 | |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't do a lot of low voltage home appliance work, either | 01:43 |
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| @Haarg | the other advantage of going with a flat namespace for translations is that in addition to the translation server, people would be able to use one of the translation editors that are around | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | there are a number of them got editting .po files, and we could either use that format directly or convert to/from it easily | 01:49 |
| @Haarg | and Text::Unidecode would get us the same thing as the current transliteration code but more general/better | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | whether we go that far or not, at least getting rid of namespaces seems like a big win | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | is that a wG 7.8-ism? or wG 8? | 01:54 |
| @Haarg | would probably have to be 8 | 01:55 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case we have some time to think about it | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a place where we keep all the wg8 design goals? | 01:56 |
| @Haarg | i don't think so | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | WebGUI, we need to help Daan | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ, you can help him too | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | between the 3 of us, it shouldn't be too hard | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | shy of wiping and unpancking a new WRE where my old one used to be, what's the quickest way to do a wgd reset on the WRE? | 02:08 |
| +BartJol | eeeh, Koen doesn't have multiple personalities | 02:08 |
| +BartJol | only on IRC, but that's called redundancy | 02:09 |
| +BartJol | mmm, perlDreamer may be you can reset a wre.conf setting | 02:13 |
| +BartJol | allthough that won't uninstall the extra packages | 02:13 |
| +BartJol | mmm, I don't see the setting in my non dev env | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm okay with extra packages | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | just the configuration and setup files | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and where is that WebGUI/SynQ/SynQ2? | 02:19 |
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| +BartJol | I don't know | 02:21 |
| +BartJol | not next to me | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that's too bad, because you're supposed to be drinking beer | 02:22 |
| +BartJol | finishing my last for today | 02:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: The multimeter I'm using is new because I measured DC on an AC line with my old one. | 02:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: if it is DC, then my measurement would be 70% of the DC value. | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | didn't you get 28VAC? | 02:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: yep, 28VAC | 02:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | which would be what, 40VDC? | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | not it would not convert like that | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | the actula voltage would be nearly the same | 02:31 |
| daviddelikat | AC is just a switching current | 02:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | whups, I'm averaging the wrong way. | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat | which means that part of the time iut is positive and part is negative | 02:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | DC would measure 71% of the AC voltage, since you'd see the average. | 02:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you wouldn't measure the negative on DC. | 02:32 |
| daviddelikat | you have a single constant value in DC there is no need for that | 02:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | okay, I'm going to go stick my meter, which only goes up to 12V, on the line, here's to hoping it doesn't blow. | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat | but when the meter measures AC it has to take into account that the current is changing | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat | and so it measures high. | 02:33 |
| daviddelikat | no dont do that | 02:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | right, but I don't know for sure what type of current is there. All I know is that measuring with AC, it was 28VAC. | 02:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But hopefully my meter would be smart enough to show nothing if I had the wrong selection. | 02:34 |
| daviddelikat | if you dont have a meter that will measure 24 VDC than you sould not try to measure it... | 02:34 |
| daviddelikat | the meter is not smart at all | 02:35 |
| daviddelikat | is is just a simple circuit that either moves a needle or counts some clicks... | 02:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well I'm going to have to get my relays from digikey, so I might as well make sure I'm getting the right ones :p | 02:35 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11225 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/adminConsole/adminConsole.js: fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I gotta read that one | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | to quote rizen, "you gotta be crapping me", Haarg | 03:12 |
| @Haarg | yup | 03:12 |
| @Haarg | need to force reflow. don't know why exactly, but it fixes the problem. | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | note, to ameliorate the pain of crapping perlDreamer, eat lots of fiber, drink lots of water, and exercise regularly | 03:13 |
| @Haarg | there was already code in there to do that which i added a long time ago | 03:13 |
| @Haarg | but apparently it wasn't working anymore | 03:13 |
| @Haarg | we should try upgrading tinymce to see if it resolves any of the bugs related to that | 03:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but not today. | 03:14 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 03:14 |
| +perlDreamer | It's time to release | 03:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's safe to backport that to 7.6 | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 03:15 |
| @Haarg | backport what? | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, you already did | 03:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to feel like a broken record | 03:16 |
| @Haarg | the second page of the bug list is all rich editor, help desk, and pb.com/webgui.org | 03:17 |
| @Haarg | oh, except the ldap issue | 03:17 |
| * Haarg needs a permanent ldap test server | 03:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been looking at Net::LDAP::Server::Test | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but the docs are poor | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's really just a wrapper around Net::LDAP::Server | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | which also has poor docs | 03:19 |
| +perlDreamer | there are two other bugs on that page which may be core | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | duplicate emails | 03:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and old gallery on old browsers | 03:20 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11226 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE | 03:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11227 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: note ie admin panel fix in changelog | 03:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11228 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible | 03:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11229 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible | 03:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11230 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fix massively misplaced changelog entry | 03:54 |
| +Radix_ | morning ppls | 04:18 |
| +Radix_ | does anyone know if there's a debian lenny version of the wre 0.9.3 floating around anywhere? | 04:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | the news on the street is that it is being worked on | 04:21 |
| +Radix_ | hmm.. I updated my system from etch to lenny and now my mod-perl apache sigfaults constantly | 04:22 |
| +Radix_ | no idea why upgrading distro like that would've affected my wre install, but need to do something to resurrect the box | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses system libraries? | 04:23 |
| +Radix_ | I guess so | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why it broke | 04:25 |
| * Radix_ downloads the wre-0.9.3-source and looks at compiling it from scratch. | 04:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | there ya go, beat them to the punch | 04:26 |
| +Radix_ | my 1ghz mini-itx box is going to complain compiling it all tho ;) | 04:27 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11231 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add tests for removing ./ and ../ | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Tweak it for handling multiple sets of those. | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11232 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Session/Url.t: | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add tests for multiple, non-adjacent ./ and ../ | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Cleanup test comments. | 04:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11233 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Mail/Send.t: Fix number of skips so it dies gracefully. | 04:52 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11234 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.26 release. | 05:07 |
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| elnino_ | hmmm. what table holds the old urls of an asset for 7.5? the dbschema on the wiki has a new field in assetHistory called url that doesn't seem to be present in 7.5 | 05:25 |
| +perlDreamer | assetData | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | all urls are in assetData | 05:26 |
| @Haarg | assethistory is just a log | 05:26 |
| elnino_ | that's what I thought. | 05:26 |
| elnino_ | hmm. | 05:26 |
| @Haarg | it is never queried | 05:26 |
| elnino_ | ok. my bad.. | 05:27 |
| elnino_ | thanks. | 05:27 |
| @Haarg | the url was added to that because in the past you would purge an asset, and all the history table had was the asset id | 05:27 |
| elnino_ | how do i make the date readable from assetData? | 05:27 |
| @Haarg | made it hard to find out what appened | 05:27 |
| elnino_ | good idea. | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it was your idea, elnino_ :) | 05:27 |
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| elnino_ | it was? | 05:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm almost sure it was one of your RFEs | 05:28 |
| elnino_ | I ususally have good ideas. lol/ | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | So, let me ask your opinion on this | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what's more useful | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | An account plugin that shows your personal karma log and history | 05:28 |
| +perlDreamer | or an account plugin that shows a user what groups they are in | 05:28 |
| elnino_ | to an webgui admin-type person or to a customer? | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | let's say customer/common user | 05:29 |
| +perlDreamer | an admin type can always use the admin console to find out the groups for a user | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's currently no access to the karma log | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but not many sites use karma | 05:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm kind of up in the air as to which to build | 05:30 |
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| elnino_ | just a sec. | 05:31 |
| elnino_ | well as a user for the webgui site, I do believe I wished to see my karma history once. | 05:34 |
| elnino_ | and I think it would be relatively easy for an admin to create a report that would show a user what group they are in. - and probably could just post it to the bazzaar | 05:35 |
| elnino_ | so.. | 05:35 |
| elnino_ | and thereis a macro that shows what subscriptiosn a user has subscribed to right? | 05:35 |
| elnino_ | I'm not quite sure then why a user would want to konw what groups they are in (unless they are subscriptions) | 05:36 |
| elnino_ | so I guess I'd go with #1. | 05:36 |
| elnino_ | (and I don't know if a user would even know that they may be part of more than one group) - another reason to go with #1 | 05:37 |
| elnino_ | hope that helps? | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 05:37 |
| elnino_ | how do I make assetData revisionDate nice looking in a report? | 05:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you can use one of mysql's date formatting subroutines | 05:59 |
| elnino_ | is webgui's dates epoch? | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:00 |
| +perlDreamer | from_unixtime(revisionDate) should work | 06:00 |
| elnino_ | is there a way to "title" sub queries in a report? | 06:01 |
| +perlDreamer | in an SQL Report? | 06:01 |
| elnino_ | yep. | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 06:02 |
| daviddelikat | anybody know the best way to disable a buttin in JS? | 06:04 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know any way to do that | 06:04 | |
| +perlDreamer | there's probably a DOM method for it, though | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | like button.disable? | 06:04 |
| daviddelikat | yes, and I just figured out Im using it the wrong way... | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | this is usually where preaction steps in and schools me in JS | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | wrong way? | 06:05 |
| daviddelikat | the cool thing about JS is that it doesn't care what you tell it to do | 06:05 |
| daviddelikat | you can give it a function as a value and it will happily look at it and pass by | 06:05 |
| daviddelikat | if you wanted it to run the function you will be disapointed though... | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's not disabling? | 06:07 |
| daviddelikat | indeed | 06:07 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11235 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.26-stable: Release 7.6.26-stable | 06:07 |
| daviddelikat | now it will though because I told it to do what it needs to do... | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | how does one do that? | 06:09 |
| daviddelikat | something like this: YAHOO.util.Dom.get("elementID").disabled = true|false; | 06:11 |
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| elnino_ | isn't assetHistory log deletes? | 06:12 |
| elnino_ | I'm trying to get to an asset by url and I'm brought to a trash can that doesn't list it. so I'm confused as to the statusof this particular asset. | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | in recent WebGUI's the assetHistory logs trashing an asset, and purging an asset | 06:14 |
| elnino_ | the assetHistory doesn't say it was deletd. | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | check the system trash? | 06:15 |
| elnino_ | I do see purging of a particular revision | 06:15 |
| elnino_ | yep. | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | what is the status and state in the assetData and asset tables | 06:15 |
| elnino_ | approved. | 06:15 |
| elnino_ | however, there is a pagelayout with children in the trash that I think it may be under. | 06:16 |
| elnino_ | so apparantly if a parent is trashed the log doesn't log that the children were trashed. | 06:16 |
| elnino_ | let me verify | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | ah yes, I think that's called clipboard-limbo | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but it also refers to the trash | 06:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | 7.6.26 FTW | 06:22 |
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| +patspam | release on brother perlDreamer | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's out there | 06:24 |
| +patspam | sounds like a line from the x files | 06:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you are doing releases now? | 06:28 |
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| +releaseMonkey | I'm afraid so, perlmonkey2 | 06:30 |
| elnino_ | where is the trash? can I have a naviation asset for it? | 06:31 |
| elnino_ | so I can see deleted children? | 06:31 |
| +releaseMonkey | the only way to see the children of a deleted asset is to restore the deleted parent | 06:31 |
| +releaseMonkey | as far as I know | 06:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | colink added the webgui-7.6.26-stable.tar.gz file, 11 minutes ago | 06:32 |
| +releaseMonkey | Trash is an asset state, not a destination, elnino_ | 06:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | there is way too much productivity going on here for me. hasta la manana. | 06:34 |
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| elnino_ | sure, that makes sense. | 06:34 |
| daviddelikat | is there a rule of sorts about how names are supposed to be displayed in WG? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of names? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | usernames | 06:35 |
| daviddelikat | I'm woprking on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9726 | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | asset names? | 06:35 |
| daviddelikat | and I'm not sure why its a bug | 06:35 |
| daviddelikat | user names | 06:35 |
| daviddelikat | brb | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think people are expecting to see full names, versus account names | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | so it seems odd that you search for a username, but get displayed a full name | 06:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11236 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Preparing for 7.6.27 development. | 06:37 |
| daviddelikat | I figured it was something like that... | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | the wierd thing is the code goes through a lot of | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | trouble to get the name the way it comes out and I wasn't sure if I | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | shoudl just eliminate it or supliment it.... | 06:39 |
| daviddelikat | the search checks all three name pieces for a match to identify users | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it does? | 06:40 |
| daviddelikat | IF(((select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and firstName is not null and firstName <> "") + (select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and lastName is not null and lastName <> "")) = 2,concat(lastName,", ",firstName),username) as username | 06:41 |
| daviddelikat | kinda nasty | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, I'd just append either the username to that | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | username field from users table | 06:41 |
| daviddelikat | do you mean the userID? | 06:42 |
| daviddelikat | cuz i already have it | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | users.username | 06:43 |
| daviddelikat | I see | 06:44 |
| daviddelikat | that is what the above yukiness will produce if either the first of last name is blank or null | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems like it should either return what was searched for (which is nasty), or it should return all searchable info about the user, firstName, lastName, username | 06:51 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11237 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): Forward port urlize changes, and tests. | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I'm getting ready to call it a night. Any last second questions? | 06:59 |
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| +Radix_ | Hmm.. imagemagick failed to compile | 09:20 |
| +Radix_ | looks like it got to the link stage and then went '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl' | 09:20 |
| +Radix_ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5c82717d | 09:21 |
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| SynQ1 | demo.webgui.nl updated to 7. | 10:06 |
| SynQ1 | 7.6.26 even | 10:06 |
| +Radix_ | hey koen | 10:13 |
| +Radix_ | SynQ1: you managed to build wre 0.9.3 on debian lenny yet? | 10:14 |
| SynQ1 | Radix_: nope, but I have managed to build it on debian etch and found that the version works just fine on debian lenny | 10:15 |
| +Radix_ | Ahh k | 10:16 |
| +Radix_ | I've run into a prob compiling imagemagick on mine | 10:16 |
| SynQ1 | that is normal | 10:16 |
| +Radix_ | posted it up on the forums - http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-0.9.3-source-compile-on-debian-lenny#id_kkX8zAsdccm-b6klA9pig | 10:16 |
| +Radix_ | yeah.. imagemagick always seems to be a prob.. I just don't know what to do to appease it ;) | 10:17 |
| SynQ1 | well | 10:17 |
| SynQ1 | there are about 500 commandline options to configure | 10:17 |
| SynQ1 | if you would figure out the right ones for lenny I would be pleased :P | 10:17 |
| +Radix_ | heh.. me too! | 10:17 |
| +Radix_ | if I can't get it working I'll just go to Squonk's debian packages instead. | 10:18 |
| SynQ1 | wouldn't recommend that either | 10:18 |
| +Radix_ | no? | 10:18 |
| SynQ1 | hang on I'll get you a download link for the debian etch compiled version | 10:18 |
| SynQ1 | of wre 0.9.3 | 10:19 |
| +Radix_ | ahh.. neat | 10:19 |
| SynQ1 | I hope the upload will succeed | 10:24 |
| SynQ1 | bugger | 10:24 |
| SynQ1 | it didn't | 10:24 |
| SynQ1 | where was that wiki page again... | 10:25 |
| SynQ1 | ah | 10:29 |
| SynQ1 | here it is: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 10:29 |
| +Radix_ | Ahh | 10:30 |
| SynQ1 | now I'm uploading the wre tarball again :P | 10:31 |
| SynQ1 | it's only 95M | 10:31 |
| SynQ1 | 98 even :) | 10:31 |
| SynQ1 | let's hope my firefox will not crash before it's uploaded :P | 10:32 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 10:32 |
| * Radix_ hopes. | 10:32 | |
| +Radix_ | So how are things in Delft these days? | 10:33 |
| SynQ1 | http://www.webgui.nl/leden/downloads | 10:34 |
| SynQ1 | busy | 10:34 |
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| +Radix_ | many thanks for the wre build SynQ1 - downloading it now :) | 10:51 |
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| SynQ1 | ah | 10:58 |
| SynQ1 | our daily delicacy provider | 10:58 |
| SynQ1 | good morning bart :) | 10:58 |
| bartjol | morning | 11:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | ghoodmorning! | 11:00 |
| bartjol | pie? | 11:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes! | 11:00 |
| ryuu_ro | me too! | 11:01 |
| SynQ1 | yes! | 11:06 |
| SynQ1 | in the sky | 11:06 |
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| SynQ1 | is there a page that matches webgui versions to wre versions? | 11:38 |
| SynQ1 | the well known english expression: pooping on the fan | 12:44 |
| SynQ1 | lunch! | 13:13 |
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| ckotil | pooping on a fan sounds worse than pissing in the wind | 16:21 |
| SynQ1 | but better than eating the yellow snow | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | what does eating yellow snow sound like, Koen? | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | how do you know? | 16:22 |
| ckotil | i bet it's quiet | 16:22 |
| SynQ1 | it sounds something like this: 'hmm nice and fresh', 'grgrftpu phu phu' | 16:22 |
| SynQ1 | perhaps with some vomiting sounds shortly after | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | blaargghhhh | 16:23 |
| * MrHairgrease and HTML::TreeBuilder::XPath have just become friends today! | 16:23 | |
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| hansw | hi | 16:42 |
| +danny_mk | hi | 16:48 |
| bartjol | hi | 16:49 |
| hansw | almost leaving again :-) | 16:50 |
| hansw | new site for piramide is live now | 16:51 |
| bartjol | ah | 16:51 |
| hansw | time to get familiar with webgui 7 now | 16:51 |
| bartjol | yeah, I see webgui 5.5.4 in the html source | 16:53 |
| hansw | uhuh | 16:53 |
| hansw | bartjol, that is why one of the domains is still at procolix | 16:53 |
| hansw | we plan to migrate next autumn | 16:54 |
| bartjol | well it is just a piece of text in the html | 16:54 |
| bartjol | doesn't have to mean anything | 16:54 |
| hansw | yes, I do not care about the version | 16:55 |
| hansw | ok, need to go to germany, ttl | 16:55 |
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| daviddelikat | I hope someday someone comes up with a JS memory management scheme that works... | 17:33 |
| daviddelikat | I justr had to restart the X server on my Debian server because the JS running in a browser had totally overrun the memory... | 17:34 |
| daviddelikat | but hey its linux os I did not have to reboot the whole server... | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | why run a browser on a server? | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | debugging, looking at stats, watching virtual machines.... | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | lots of things | 17:36 |
| daviddelikat | unfortunately I did not exit the browser last time I was looking at stuff... | 17:37 |
| daviddelikat | hence the memory problem... | 17:37 |
| daviddelikat | I had two instances of vmware console running | 17:38 |
| daviddelikat | and it had about 77M of virtual memory soaked up | 17:38 |
| daviddelikat | I try not to leave any JS application running more than an hour | 17:39 |
| daviddelikat | on my XP laptop if it goes overnight I have to reboot in the morning | 17:39 |
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| daviddelikat | g'mornin perlDreamer | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, daviddelikat! | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like you've been doing a lot of helpdesk bug busting | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | yep | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | fixed a few | 17:44 |
| daviddelikat | haven't submitted much yet | 17:44 |
| @Haarg | one of the important things that needs to be done with help desk is somewhat a large job | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | what's that, Haarg? | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | it needs to be changed to have the contents of the tabs loaded directly instead of by ajax | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | and have the ticket view put into its own tab | 17:46 |
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| @Haarg | along with that, it needs to be fixed for the yui 2.6+ dataform | 17:46 |
| daviddelikat | why do we want to eliminate the AJAX | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | it's still using the version from 2.5 | 17:47 |
| daviddelikat | brb | 17:47 |
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| @Haarg | because it's pointless and causes problems with the javascript | 17:47 |
| +perlDreamer | would it make the 2.5->2.6 transition easier? | 17:47 |
| @Haarg | i believe so | 17:47 |
| @Haarg | i tried to fix it to work with 2.6 and couldn't do it | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | it seemed like the data form was breaking in a random way that it shouldn't have | 17:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that will be a big job | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | and it wouldn't surprize be if the yui bubbler thing were the cause | 17:48 |
| @Haarg | the 2.5 to 2.6 fix isn't that huge | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | but the other stuff needs to be done first | 17:49 |
| @Haarg | there's really no reason to have it dynamically load the tab contents anyway | 17:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll make sure it stays on the radar | 17:50 |
| @Haarg | anyone have a modern version of excel? | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | kathy does, on her school laptop | 17:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you need? | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10279 | 17:52 |
| @Haarg | i can't get openoffice to read the attachment | 17:52 |
| elnino | any problems up grading wre .85 to .93? | 17:53 |
| bartjol | Haarg I have excel | 17:55 |
| bartjol | so probably can copy paste it to openoffice | 17:55 |
| @Haarg | either that or just convert it to a csv | 17:55 |
| bartjol | oh | 17:56 |
| bartjol | what do you rather want? | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | csv is more universal so i guess that would be better | 17:56 |
| bartjol | ok | 17:57 |
| elnino | is there a version I need to upgrade webgui to before I can cross over to latest sable 7.6? or does the upgrade script do that? | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | you need to upgrade to 7.5.40 before upgrading to 7.6 | 17:57 |
| elnino | ok. | 17:58 |
| bartjol | Haarg, it is there, but it still shows an excel logo | 17:58 |
| elnino | does the script do that? do is that a manual step | 17:58 |
| bartjol | can you try it? | 17:58 |
| elnino | s/do/or | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to upgrade manually to 7.5.40 | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so, download 7.5.40, upgrade | 17:59 |
| elnino | ok will do. Should I upgrade wre first? | 17:59 |
| daviddelikat | wow MS Excel now uses xml... | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, so it's not compatible with OpenOffice anymore | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i would upgrade the wre first | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | openoffice is supposed to be able to read those files | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | i don't know why it isn't working | 17:59 |
| daviddelikat | have you tried OO 3.1? | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | yes | 18:00 |
| bartjol | but is my file readable? | 18:00 |
| elnino | k. fun day ahead! it usually goes smoothly though. kudos to you all. Just nerve racking. | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we can take that file and send it to the OO people as a test case | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | yes, thanks bartjol | 18:00 |
| bartjol | btw, I can open the file with oo 3.1, but the defaults for importing makes a mess of it | 18:02 |
| @plainhao | how to tell what wre is currently installed? | 18:02 |
| bartjol | look in the wre.conf | 18:02 |
| @plainhao | thanks, bartjol | 18:02 |
| @Haarg | it just tries to open it as a tab separated file for me | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too | 18:03 |
| @Haarg | you could also check the changelog | 18:03 |
| daviddelikat | if you change the file extrension to xml then you can look at it | 18:03 |
| bartjol | that is sometimes more reliable, I have seen version numers in the wre.conf that are nnot correct | 18:03 |
| bartjol | perlDreamer: does it open like tab delimitered or does it open | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | like tab delimitered | 18:04 |
| bartjol | ok, I had that too | 18:04 |
| @Haarg | i had tried renaming it to .xmlx but that didn't work | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | err | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | .xlsx | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | just tried .xml and OO locked up | 18:05 |
| daviddelikat | does OO know xml?. I looked at it in IE, firefox should be good as well | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | well, i could have looked at it in a text editor as well, but i was wanting to see it as a spreadsheet | 18:07 |
| * MrHairgrease always looks at the hex dumps | 18:08 | |
| * bartjol is disappointed, I thought MrHairgrease only read binary | 18:09 | |
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| * MrHairgrease can even read half bits! | 18:10 | |
| bartjol | hey tavisto why did you wreck JT's car? | 18:11 |
| @tavisto | he made me angry. | 18:12 |
| bartjol | how....? | 18:12 |
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| @tavisto | *tavisto starts to turn green* | 18:12 |
| @tavisto | by asking me too many questions in IRC | 18:12 |
| elnino | oh... where in perl/apache is the upload size limited. | 18:12 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 18:12 |
| bartjol | what kind of questions? | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | there are two places for that elnino. first is webgui's upload size limit. second, there is a directive for apache to control the max post size | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | i don't remember the name though | 18:13 |
| elnino | apache, as in the actual apache files? or wre's apache files? | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | it would go in modperl.conf | 18:14 |
| elnino | ok. | 18:15 |
| elnino | thanks! I thought I wrote all this down somewhere. | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | it's a mod_perl setting with a wierd name. | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | might be from apreq2 actually | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | elnino: that's in the ocmmunity wiki | 18:16 |
| bartjol | PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit ? | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | no, that's something else | 18:16 |
| bartjol | ok | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | APREQ2_ReadLimit 1024M | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | see: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 18:17 |
| ckotil | yah, that's always fun. first you let people upload a 100 meg attachment, and the next thing you know they want to upload a dvd image | 18:18 |
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| SynQ1 | now I get it, the wiki's search function is not implemented in the www.webgui.org site, but it is implemented in the collective browse history of the people on the irc channel | 18:18 |
| elnino | =) | 18:19 |
| bartjol | ooh, that would be great | 18:19 |
| elnino | Thanks guys. | 18:19 |
| SynQ1 | I don't see what is wrong with uploading a dvd image though | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ1, we need to help DaanQ | 18:19 |
| elnino | ok. another question. I have wre | 18:19 |
| ckotil | nothing really. its just annoying when you tar up the site | 18:19 |
| elnino | where would httpd.conf be? | 18:19 |
| SynQ1 | yes, you will have to wait for a while, but http is a great protocol to upload files | 18:19 |
| SynQ1 | perlDreamer: we have to help him in what way? | 18:20 |
| bartjol | here's a dvd image: http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_7_4/images/dvd-benchmark-part-3-scratch-the-dog-dvd-large.jpg | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | he's having problems with LoopSetShop, using a Widget macro incorrectly | 18:20 |
| elnino | because I do have apache ALSO installed. but I can't believe that would affect wre's apache... | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | for the upload thing, you would put that directive in modperl.conf | 18:20 |
| elnino | ok. | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I can see, there are 2 problems | 18:20 |
| SynQ1 | perlDreamer: what, where, how? | 18:20 |
| elnino | Thanks Haarg | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | what: Using a widget macro the wrong way | 18:21 |
| bartjol | well, I have a widgetmacro of the loopsetshop on my site | 18:21 |
| bartjol | or a widget url | 18:21 |
| elnino | I updated the wiki. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | where: https://www.loopsetshop.com/request-list-videoloops | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | how: that's the part I don't get | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the widget works fine | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, what is it? | 18:22 |
| bartjol | maybe a pastebin is better: | 18:23 |
| bartjol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7b275e48 | 18:23 |
| bartjol | that is the script I added in a snippet | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and it's not correct | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that overrides the template, not the style | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | style template | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | also, I think he should probably use a shortcut instead of the widget | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | since the widget is designed to work across different sites | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | in the same site, you can use a shortcut | 18:25 |
| bartjol | but I have to go to a customer? | 18:26 |
| bartjol | half past 5.. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to send him another email | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: what's the issue with the loopsetshop? | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm working on it too | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | so maybe I can fix it more easily | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it's broken in the first place | 18:28 |
| bartjol | bye | 18:28 |
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| oversillo | hi all, can i export a webgui wiki content to pdf ?? | 18:28 |
| oversillo | sorry for my bad english :-/ | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't think that feature is implemented | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | you might be able to build a template that constructs a pdf | 18:29 |
| SynQ1 | perlDreamer: gotta run, emergency | 18:31 |
| SynQ1 | catch you tonight | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, it's not broken | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) he doesn't need to use a widget, since its on his site | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) He's not using the macro correctly | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | to generate the widget | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't even know what a widget is | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is a macro you say? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. ^Widget(); | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | A widget is a way of putting wG content onto other websites | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | et's hav a look =) | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: for reference http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10095 | 18:36 |
| @preaction | oversillo: not presently, though I believe there's a way for Firefox to print to PDF (and on OS X, almost any other program) | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | re: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/8779 | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | if clicking on a bug openned it in a new tab instead of replacing the current one, would there need to be anything done for teh back button? | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | *the | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | my guess would be that the back button would close the view tab | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | and return focus to whatever tab was active before | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | the bug was viewed | 18:39 |
| oversillo | thanks MrHairgrease and preaction | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | seems like that would be more of an rfe though | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | right now it is rather broken, but that's because it replaces what you are viewing | 18:40 |
| @Haarg | if it was using a new tab, you could go back to the list you were viewing without losing your place | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | but a backbutton that has nothing to go back to is kinda useless | 18:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you'd interpret going back as going back to where you came from | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems like a good way to fix it | 18:42 |
| @Haarg | yeah, but significan't more complex | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | i seem to have lost the ability to type | 18:43 |
| @Haarg | actually, looking at the initial bug report the new tab thing i'm talking about completely solves that | 18:44 |
| @Haarg | the back button thing was mentioned later | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:45 |
| @preaction | if you opened it in a new tab and then made a confirm() dialog for the back button, I would consider it fixed | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you'd let the back button just close the current tab | 18:45 |
| @preaction | some people will still hit the back button accidentally and lose all the bugs they had open | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think yui will switch automatically | 18:45 |
| daviddelikat | are you talking about a browser tab or a javascript tab? | 18:47 |
| @Haarg | yui tab | 18:47 |
| daviddelikat | if you push the browser back button it will go back to the last item in the browser history | 18:48 |
| daviddelikat | not gonna touch the yui tabs | 18:48 |
| @Haarg | http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | Oh... | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean the browsers back button.. | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | that's how you would handle the back button issue, but that's a lot of work to hook into it | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm my rambling then | 18:49 |
| daviddelikat | so we stuff the history with items to track wher ethe user has been... | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | i think it would be good to do eventually, but i wouldn't consider it needed for that bug report | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat | its an interesting idea, but I can imagine it will cause problems | 18:50 |
| daviddelikat | I prefer to move away entirely from the back button | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | well, the first step is to ignore the back button | 18:51 |
| daviddelikat | make the page a single application with no history | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | and convert it to load the primary tabs directly instead of via ajax | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | and create a new tab for viewing the ticket itself | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | hooking into the browser history would come after that | 18:52 |
| daviddelikat | sure | 18:52 |
| daviddelikat | ' sure' on the previous line | 18:53 |
| daviddelikat | I think browser history should function for page turns | 18:53 |
| daviddelikat | not application changes | 18:53 |
| daviddelikat | otherwise you find yourself messing around deciding what items to stuff into the history | 18:54 |
| daviddelikat | and the user will never be happy with your choices | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | that would be an rfe anyway. it doesn't really fall under that bug. | 18:55 |
| daviddelikat | sounds like a re-write to me | 18:55 |
| @Haarg | the history stuff? i doubt it. | 18:56 |
| daviddelikat | though I think we could eliminate the AJAX tab loads easily enough | 18:56 |
| daviddelikat | we shoudl be able to render the current templates and just insert them on the server side whent | 18:57 |
| daviddelikat | the main template is rendered | 18:57 |
| @Haarg | pretty much | 18:58 |
| @Haarg | then there will be some stuff to rip out obviously | 18:58 |
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| daviddelikat1 | there went the network... did i miss anything? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 19:19 |
| daviddelikat1 | preaction: do you know a good source that lists DOM events? | 19:21 |
| daviddelikat1 | I am trying to find out what events are attached to forms | 19:21 |
| elnino | =( I upgraded wre .85 to .93 and modperl and mod proxy aren't starting. | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have all the new modules installed? | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | anything in the logs? | 19:23 |
| elnino | well, I didn't see any instructins to install any new mods, I'll look again at the txt files. | 19:24 |
| elnino | yes, there are error sin the logs. | 19:24 |
| elnino | let me read... | 19:24 |
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| elnino | so in the gotcha, for .84, it says it's missing two mods, but I susspect that that was fixed in .85 | 19:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | haarg: I changed the code to atach a listener to the form submit rather than the button on the help desk search | 19:28 |
| elnino | testEnvironment passes. | 19:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | now in firefox when I press enter on the keywoprd | 19:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | i gfet a downlooad dialog | 19:28 |
| @Haarg | did you do preventDefault? | 19:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | what is that? | 19:28 |
| elnino | and it said that modproxy changed, but it is for deal with port number in HTTP_HOST | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | event.preventDefault() | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | yui might have something different for that actually to smooth browser differences | 19:29 |
| @Haarg | but it prevents the default action from happenning, which in this case is a normal form post | 19:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | do I put that in the handler or the button? | 19:29 |
| elnino | so back to the errorlog, | 19:30 |
| elnino | http://pastebin.com/d156a4cf9 | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | in the handler | 19:31 |
| @Haarg | YUI.util.Event.preventDefault() | 19:31 |
| elnino | it is a 64-bit ubunto system, but we used 32 bit when we did the inital instal. | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE is 32 bit | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no 64-bit WREs are available yet | 19:32 |
| elnino | and that's fine. 32 worked before. | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | what number did you put in for the Apache size limit for memory? | 19:32 |
| elnino | I didnt'. | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, what number is there now? :) | 19:33 |
| elnino | there isn't. | 19:33 |
| elnino | there isn't anything in modperl for that. | 19:34 |
| elnino | default is apparently 64M | 19:34 |
| elnino | but that was for uploading files. | 19:34 |
| elnino | not memory. | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a bug, especially if you were to add a number, and it started working correctly | 19:34 |
| elnino | nope didnt' change any of that.. maybe later. =) | 19:35 |
| elnino | oh. I see now why you are asking. | 19:36 |
| elnino | line one in modperl.pl | 19:36 |
| elnino | nope nothing defined for SizeLimit in /etc/apache2 or /data/wre/etc | 19:38 |
| elnino | and it wasn't SizeLimit, it was APREQ2_ReadLimit that I was going to change. | 19:38 |
| elnino | but I didn't do that either. | 19:39 |
| elnino | maybe I should define SizeLimit? | 19:39 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/apache2sizelimit-not-implemented-on-solaris/1 hmm | 19:41 |
| elnino | aw.. | 19:48 |
| elnino | I cant' revert changes... | 19:48 |
| elnino | I stopped everything, renamed the new wre, restored old wre files and started evertyhiing. | 19:49 |
| elnino | now mysql won't start? | 19:49 |
| elnino | or modperl, or modproxy. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | is it already running? | 19:49 |
| elnino | nope, I made sure it wasn't. Because I noticed modproxy was still running. | 19:50 |
| elnino | oh good grief. it says it failed, but there they are running. How do I stop wremonitor? Sometimes I want to kil that | 19:51 |
| elnino | ok I stopped everything again. | 19:51 |
| elnino | ps aux - all is gone | 19:51 |
| elnino | restarting ... | 19:51 |
| elnino | fail, fail,fail, spectre is started. | 19:52 |
| elnino | ps aux | 19:52 |
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| elnino | all but mysql started in ps aux | 19:52 |
| elnino | what the heck? | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | wremonitor is setup in crontab | 19:53 |
| elnino | i didn't upgrade webgui. I'm still 7.5 | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so you should disable it while debuggin the site | 19:53 |
| elnino | could that be the problem? | 19:53 |
| elnino | maybe wre 93 isn't compatible? | 19:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: F11 is a definite upgrade, although a bummer in that it is warning me my hd is failing. | 19:54 |
| elnino | does wre upgrades affect db structure? | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | your hd is failing? | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | no way | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if it's true, that's a handy diagnostic | 19:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so it says....running a smart test now. Error says it is old and losing sectors. | 19:54 |
| elnino | DBI connect('mediaangels_com;host=localhost;port=3306','opqjmajkmrgirct',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock' (2) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 409 | 19:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, pretty sweet | 19:54 |
| elnino | something changed for mysql. | 19:55 |
| hansw | is the socket readable for the apache user? | 19:56 |
| elnino | umm. there is no /data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock file. | 20:01 |
| @Haarg | is mysql even running? | 20:02 |
| elnino | it can't start. | 20:02 |
| @Haarg | check the mysql error log | 20:02 |
| @Haarg | /data/wre/var/mysqldata/{hostname}.err | 20:03 |
| elnino | http://pastebin.com/d56348498 | 20:05 |
| elnino | hmm. I think I was usinga local mysql..... would you agree? I dont' remember. | 20:06 |
| hansw | elnino, check the directory, I think mysql is not allowed to create a socket there | 20:09 |
| hansw | chowning the dir to mysql and the group mysql should fix that | 20:10 |
| elnino | dang. | 20:10 |
| hansw | dunno where the wre keeps it's my.conf but the user and group might be listed in it | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: changing a hard drive can be dangerous, you might need to be an entirely new computer to fix this one. | 20:12 |
| elnino | well. | 20:12 |
| elnino | I'm comparing the .83 wre user/group with .93 user/group and .83 was root:root and .93 is webgui: webgui | 20:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: dangerous? like I might put my eye out with a screwdriver? | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or be exposed to dangerously high voltage | 20:13 |
| elnino | but that might be because I copied it as root to back it up? | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm about to shut down and pop the cover and make sure everything is standard under the hood, then overnight it. | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | think "new" laptop | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | naw, this machine is still fairly top of the line. | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | bright and shiny | 20:13 |
| hansw | elnino, mysql is using it's own user/group normally, maybe the wre will use webgui | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | There are faster mobile procs, but not by much. | 20:13 |
| hansw | elnino, but I would recommend to not use webgui for the mysql directories | 20:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bb in a bit after I've viewed the wounded beast. | 20:13 |
| hansw | imho it is not secure | 20:13 |
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| elnino | .93 installed it as webgui:webgui | 20:15 |
| hansw | and what is the mysql user called? | 20:16 |
| elnino | hmm. well I changed the :/data/wre/var/mysqldata# to webgui:webgui and restarted wre's mysql and MYSQL is now up. | 20:18 |
| elnino | so apparently wre's mysql must run under webgui:webgui? | 20:18 |
| hansw | yes | 20:18 |
| hansw | but I would recommend the team to let it run as a different user | 20:18 |
| hansw | not root :-) | 20:19 |
| elnino | I think my .83 data was changed to root:root, because I did a recursive copy as root. though I didn't think it would change that just doing a copy. | 20:19 |
| elnino | I'm now up again on .83 | 20:20 |
| elnino | I wanted .93 | 20:20 |
| elnino | to work but had to revert. | 20:20 |
| hansw | if you ever have an insecure setup and they can write to files owned by webgui then user nobody is able to write to the mysql directory | 20:20 |
| hansw | not prefered | 20:20 |
| elnino | hopefully that made sense. | 20:20 |
| elnino | so even webgui:webgui isn't secure | 20:21 |
| elnino | ? | 20:21 |
| hansw | more secure then root | 20:21 |
| hansw | but it would be nice if webgui was only able to connect to it using the socket, and would not have write permissions on the mysql dir | 20:22 |
| hansw | but again, I am not to familiar with the wre | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think one design goal for wG 8 is that all dates need to be MySQL dates | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this constant format conversion sucks | 20:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11238 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fix date handling by the search form in the Gallery. | 20:23 |
| elnino | From what I see, only user webgui can write to the mysqldata directory. The group webgui can't do much. | 20:23 |
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| hansw | elnino, suppose apache is running as user webgui too? | 20:24 |
| elnino | wre's apache, I suspect, yes. | 20:24 |
| elnino | wre is evertying webgui needs: apache, perl, mysql, and other utilities. | 20:24 |
| hansw | then you have the answer, user apache (your visitors) are when setup incorrectly, able to write to the mysql data directory | 20:25 |
| hansw | normally not a problem if setup secure | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 20:25 |
| hansw | but in a live situation I would prefer seperate users for the database and the apache instance | 20:25 |
| elnino | I'm all for more secure, but I'm at a loss, because I don't really know how wre does all this secure stuff... is Haarg, preaction, or perlDreamer getting any of this? | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | if an attacker can get in as user webgui, then can do a lot of damage, like reading the configuration files with the db username and password, or delete all uploaded files. | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if the db files were owned by a different user, it would only delay what they can do, not stop it | 20:31 |
| @preaction | if the attacker can get on to the system, you're already completely screwed | 20:31 |
| @preaction | doesn't matter who they are | 20:31 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, that would depend, the attacker would need file access and then root the machine | 20:31 |
| @preaction | but, the webgui user should not have a shell (the shell should be /sbin/nologin or some other script that says "GTFO") | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hansw, maybe you could explain in more detail what your concern is | 20:32 |
| @Haarg | in this case it's unlikely it would matter since if they have access as the webgui user they have all of the logins to the databases anyway | 20:33 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, well, seen a lot of situations in the pas, not with webgui, where it was possible to for instance write to the my.cnf using parameters | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | using URL parameters? | 20:33 |
| hansw | Haarg, true, and that is my main concern | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't happen in perl | 20:33 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, yes | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well it won't happen in WebGUI, I should say | 20:33 |
| hansw | hehe | 20:33 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, I might be a little paranoid but I've seen to much shit | 20:34 |
| hansw | It would not be my prefered setup if hosted on one machine, since I am using a remote mysql server I might need to run it from source | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all controlled by the dsn in the configuration file | 20:38 |
| hansw | true, but then I would have a mysql instance that is not needed | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but there's no need to start it, either | 20:38 |
| hansw | agree | 20:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11239 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backport date handling code for the Gallery search. | 20:39 |
| hansw | I will look at it later this year and then decide to use the wre or not | 20:39 |
| hansw | it should also be updatable if I'm not around :-) | 20:40 |
| elnino | ok... after successfully reverting back to 83, thanks hansw, I want to get 93 back, but I'm going to eat lunch before I do that again. | 20:43 |
| hansw | elnino, good luck with it, you at least know what might be a problem | 20:44 |
| hansw | different solutions are available | 20:44 |
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| hansw | damn, no Dutch tv due to the bad weather conditions | 20:55 |
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| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: i will get my code put in tonight, I am having trouble gettign a solution to this last bug so I will exclude it from the items I put in... | 21:04 |
| daviddelikat1 | back in about 4 hours | 21:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the verdict, perlmonkey2? | 21:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I havent' really set it up yet since I have a new hard drive showing up tomorrow. | 21:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: but I just spent an hour chasing down network problems. | 21:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | didn't know what was going on...if the torrent's pegging my routers iptables connection list had hosed it, if my dns-caching had chosen now to die, or my F11 install was someone messing up my network. | 21:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Turns out my wife's Vista machine had chosen just that moment to go nuts. No idea what it is doing as I just flipped its network device off, but it is furiously accessing the harddrive and smoking hot. I'm hoping it just dies! | 21:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But turning off its network cleared up the routers ip connections issue. | 21:44 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11240 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): adding Matrix tests and small fixes | 21:53 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11241 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #9953: Matrix 2.0 - Not enough tests | 22:08 |
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| elnino | so.. I wonder, will .93 wre even work with webgui 7.5? | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | it should | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | it should work with everything going back to 7.4.22 i think | 22:34 |
| @Haarg | whenever the JSON change was | 22:35 |
| elnino | ok. well, perlDreamer mentioned about adding a directive for SizeLimit to seei f that would clear up the error I was getting. (http://pastebin.com/d156a4cf9) So I'll try this again and define SizeLimit. | 22:36 |
| elnino | ok. I reinstalled. | 22:41 |
| elnino | modproxy and modperl fail, but when I do a ps aux, modproxy is listed (it wasn't there when I stopped everything) | 22:41 |
| elnino | and these are the errors in the modproxy http://pastebin.com/m5b1eb413 | 22:41 |
| topsub1 | Is there a way with the navi object to say if current page display this css tag? | 22:42 |
| @Haarg | modproxy will report failure to start if modperl isn't running | 22:43 |
| elnino | so, I would add SizeLimit in modperl.conf Haarg? | 22:43 |
| elnino | any recomended value? | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | the size limits are configured in modperl.pl | 22:44 |
| @Haarg | it's probably already set | 22:44 |
| elnino | thisi s my modperl.pl - never changd it: http://pastebin.com/mee0c39 | 22:44 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's fine | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | you might want to just disable Apache2::SizeLimit | 22:45 |
| elnino | topsub1 - yes I believe there is, it's listed in the help of webgui under navigation template variables. My webgui is down at this time. =( | 22:45 |
| elnino | the first line... right? | 22:45 |
| elnino | or the next three lines? | 22:46 |
| @Haarg | you'd need to comment it out in the modperl.conf file | 22:46 |
| topsub1 | ya, i am trying to think of a way for my main navigation to put an extra css tag in the link so i can style the current page link different | 22:46 |
| elnino | there isn't anything in my modperl.conf.. That's was the suggestion that pd made to see if it would start working. | 22:46 |
| elnino | topsub1 - use <tmpl_if><tmpl_else></tmpl_if> | 22:47 |
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| @Haarg | well, you can comment it out in the modperl.pl file then | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | all four lines | 22:47 |
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| elnino | and I haven't added anything yet to my modperl.conf - so there isn't anything there. | 22:47 |
| @Haarg | sizelimit is in the default modperl.conf file | 22:48 |
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| elnino | not in mine.... | 22:48 |
| elnino | I commended out the four lines in modperl.pl and restarted modperl and it started. | 22:49 |
| elnino | modproxy started too. | 22:49 |
| elnino | so.. where do I get this default modperl.conf with SizeLimit? | 22:49 |
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| @Haarg | normally it would be 'PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit' right after the 'PerlRequire modperl.pl' line | 22:50 |
| elnino | only reference I have in modperl.conf for SizeLimit is "PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit" | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | yes, that one | 22:50 |
| elnino | that's the only reference I have. | 22:51 |
| elnino | does webgui actually define a value? | 22:51 |
| elnino | after that line? | 22:51 |
| @Haarg | no, it's defined in modperl.pl | 22:51 |
| elnino | but mine didnt... I'm so confused. | 22:52 |
| @Haarg | yes it did | 22:52 |
| @Haarg | right here: http://pastebin.com/mee0c39 | 22:52 |
| elnino | and those are the typical default? | 22:52 |
| @Haarg | yes | 22:52 |
| elnino | and I had to remove them for .93 to work? | 22:52 |
| elnino | (apparently yes) | 22:52 |
| elnino | so, is there a bug to report? | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 22:53 |
| topsub1 | seems to do this i will need to use expr. I have to do if statements | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | it looks like there is a bug in Linux::Smaps | 22:54 |
| elnino | topsub1, no... <tmpl_if page.isCurrent>add your css code<tmpl_else>your code without css</tmpl_if> | 22:55 |
| elnino | no need to use expr | 22:55 |
| elnino | my webgui is back up. =) | 22:55 |
| elnino | Linux::Smaps is related to what I just experienced? or is that another converstaion? | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | it's related | 22:56 |
| elnino | ah. Ok. Do you want me to try something to find out? | 22:56 |
| elnino | or do you want me to file a bug report? | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | you might try uncommenting those lines and adding another line $Apache2::SizeLimit::USE_SMAPS = 0; | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | to modperl.pl | 22:56 |
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| elnino | ok. hold on. | 22:57 |
| Mech422 | hi all | 22:57 |
| elnino | hi Mech422! | 22:57 |
| Mech422 | oh - WRE 0.9.3 was released ? Sweet! | 22:57 |
| Mech422 | hi elnino | 22:57 |
| Mech422 | :-) | 22:57 |
| elnino | Haarg - I added it, stopped modperl, and started modperl sucessfully. I'll double check the error log | 22:58 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: Any developments on the build/64bit side I missed ? | 23:00 |
| elnino | Haarg. - sorry I misspoke. same error. | 23:01 |
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| topsub1 | elnino, thanks.. sorry my mind is fried.. haha | 23:01 |
| elnino | let me know if you want me to try anything else Haarg, I had a syntax error (forgot the trailing ;) but it still didn't work. | 23:04 |
| elnino | meanwhile I'll report the "bug" | 23:05 |
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| elnino | Haarg, is it recommended to continue to upgrade webgui? If that WebGUI's upgrade is successfull, I'll uncomment those lines again and see if it works for kicks even though I don't think it'll do anything. | 23:13 |
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| elnino | if commenting those out, will my apache processes size go unchecked? or is there a default? | 23:14 |
| @preaction | the wremonitor also monitors size and will kill processes | 23:17 |
| @preaction | and the processes will only last for MaxRequestsPerChild (set to 1000 by default) | 23:17 |
| @preaction | so no, they won't grow out of control, but they may grow very large | 23:17 |
| elnino | I have an hourly report dumping ps aux, I'll watch it more carefully. | 23:18 |
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| Mech422 | IIRC, assets allow you to stick custom <head> data in them, like say custom CSS. Is that data 'cached' somehow or does using it mean wG has to look at every asset on the page to rebuild the <head> section on every request ? | 23:22 |
| @preaction | wG builds the head section on every request. it's not very expensive, but it's cheaper to <link> a file or use filepump | 23:24 |
| Mech422 | ahh - Is that true for content ( <body> ) as well or is that cached ? | 23:26 |
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| @preaction | that's mostly true for body content. some assets cache themselves for the Visitor user | 23:31 |
| @preaction | and Layout assets have a burst protection cache (for the /. effect / farking / etc...) | 23:32 |
| Mech422 | oh? thats interesting... | 23:32 |
| SDuensin | Any Shop experts here? It's safe to answer - I just need general answers, not hand-holding. :-) | 23:35 |
| Mech422 | SnowWrite can shop with the best of them :-P but thats at Target, not wG :-P | 23:35 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 23:36 |
| SnowWrite | heyyy LOL | 23:36 |
| SDuensin | Sounds like my four year old daughter. She LOVES Target! | 23:36 |
| SnowWrite | target is awesome, much better than walmart fer sure | 23:36 |
| elnino | the gotcha for 7.6.26 doesn't mentioin the gotcha for 7.5.38 as written in the gotcha for 7.5.40. oversite? | 23:38 |
| SDuensin | I want to integrate an external billing thing into WebGUI. Buying the Shop guide now. | 23:39 |
| elnino | yep, you'll need the book. | 23:40 |
| elnino | developers guide has good stuff too. | 23:40 |
| SDuensin | Already got that one. :-) | 23:40 |
| elnino | ask away your questions, Ihave the shop book already | 23:40 |
| elnino | somewhere. =) | 23:40 |
| SDuensin | Well, basically I have a MySQL server that is going to handle calculating all the billing data for a service I've built. I then want to move those charges into WebGUI and have it process them every month like a subscription. But unlike typical subscriptions, the cost is going to be different every month based on usage. | 23:41 |
| elnino | sounds like you'll probably want to write a particular product that will use that particular billing scheme. At least that's how I would approach it (without looking at the book) | 23:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino is corrrect | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're going to change the price dynamically, you'll need a new Sku asset for the Shop | 23:54 |
| Mech422 | hey pd :-) | 23:55 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Yea, I figured I'd need something that looked the current bill up. Book is on the way. :-) | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy Mech422 | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, re http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10316, do you know a way for a user to retract a version tag? | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the versionTag in question is not in the db any longer | 00:15 |
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| @Haarg | i'm not sure | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | a user can't | 00:17 |
| topsub1 | is there a way i can pull meta data into the style template? | 00:25 |
| topsub1 | i added a new content profile and would like to pull it into the style template | 00:25 |
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| @Haarg | you can use it in the individual asset's template's head blocks | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | but not the style template itself | 00:28 |
| topsub1 | hmm alright | 00:29 |
| topsub1 | back to the drawning board | 00:29 |
| topsub1 | the shortcut overrides are awesome | 00:32 |
| @preaction | amen to that | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | could you asset proxy a shortcut of the asset with the view template set to something empty? | 00:33 |
| topsub1 | what do you mean something empty? | 00:33 |
| @preaction | potentially, seems possible | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you can asset proxy content into the style template | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but you don't want the content of the asset, only its head tags | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so you set up a shortcut of the asset with a custom template | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't have anything in it but the meta tags that you want | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so, I guess, only kind of empty | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but! | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and this is a big but | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | asset head tags should show up in the head block anyway | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so it needs more thinking to work out the fine details | 00:35 |
| topsub1 | how do you asset proxy in the shortcut? | 00:40 |
| topsub1 | i'm doing that now.. haha | 00:40 |
| topsub1 | seems the URL of the shortcut is the same as the main asset | 00:40 |
| topsub1 | wait no its not | 00:40 |
| topsub1 | :-) | 00:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, it's not | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's close, but its not | 00:42 |
| topsub1 | in a navigation object can i pull metadata data? | 00:43 |
| topsub1 | being able to add custom fields to assets and pulling them out is stuff i need a lot :-/ | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, no metadata into Navigations | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can get keywords | 00:47 |
| topsub1 | hm.. trying to add lil catch phrases to my links so when i do the navi object in the title field i can have theses | 00:48 |
| topsub1 | keywords and summary are for SEO stuff | 00:48 |
| topsub1 | Title needs to be for browser title | 00:48 |
| topsub1 | Menu title is for the page name.. so i need one more but if i can't pull metadata | 00:48 |
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| elnino | topsub1, are you trying to put custom title attributes in a a tag that are different than the asset's title and menu title? | 01:12 |
| elnino | I did that by adding a customfield to the asset (or maybe it was a profile field) I dont' remember, and I'm not admin of that site anymore. | 01:13 |
| elnino | and then using that additional field in the navigation template. | 01:13 |
| topsub1 | Thats what i want to do but i can't pull the new field into the navi object | 01:14 |
| elnino | did you do a custom field? or a profile field? | 01:15 |
| elnino | oh. I know what I did.. I 'reused" synopsis. | 01:15 |
| elnino | which is the summary field under the metadata tab. | 01:16 |
| elnino | s/reused/repurposed | 01:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol! | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | how's the house coming along? | 01:18 |
| +BartJol | yeah, the trip only took me 4 hours | 01:18 |
| +BartJol | well, I reprlaced some beams | 01:18 |
| +BartJol | 1 was rotten, 1 was at chest hight | 01:18 |
| topsub1 | ah. that would work but i need that for my meta data | 01:20 |
| topsub1 | need SEO :-/ | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | relying on text in two adjacent divs to vertically align is probably a bad idea, right? | 01:21 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: set the line-height to a known value. it's perfectly possible | 01:22 |
| +BartJol | topsub1: you need rotten beams? I have one spare | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I suspect that shipping will be quite expensive | 01:24 |
| +BartJol | well, it is free if you come to get them, otherwise I would have to make heavy money out of it | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: is 100% a known value, or does it need to be a an absolute number? | 01:25 |
| @preaction | 100% means 100% of the height of the item, so maybe? dunno if that's what you want though | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want these to line up: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1244671385_917/qa | 01:41 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: i believe the problem is that the actual answer part is in a div. it shouldn't be | 01:44 |
| @preaction | if it weren't in a div, the margin on the top would collapse | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 01:46 |
| @preaction | either that, or explicitly remove the margin-top on the p element for that | 01:46 |
| @preaction | so .posts p { margin-top: 0; } | 01:46 |
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| +BartJol | isn't the floating div the problem? | 01:47 |
| @preaction | no, floating div is doing exactly what it's supposed to do | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that does align them | 01:48 |
| +BartJol | but doesn't it push the paragraph to the right | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | not the 2nd one | 01:48 |
| +BartJol | yewah | 01:48 |
| @preaction | then you want margin-left. or do you want it to be a drop-cap? | 01:48 |
| @preaction | you can make the Q and the A bigger! | 01:48 |
| +BartJol | that would be a test | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | why do the paragraphs reflow around the floated div? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | even if I nest them in another div? | 01:50 |
| @preaction | because that's how floats work | 01:50 |
| @preaction | see the PM from zofbot | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll read | 01:51 |
| +BartJol | but perlDreamer, do they? | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | is there a way to do what I'm trying to do, and it just needs to be tweaked, or is the basic premise bad and should be redesigned from scratch? | 01:52 |
| @preaction | i don't know, what are you trying to do? | 01:53 |
| +BartJol | positioning it absolute or relative to the containingdiv | 01:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm trying to fix a bug | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use the default Q and A template, the Answer appears outside of the box because the content contains paragraphs | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and the original container is also a paragraph | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | so I tried changing the container to a div | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | which fixes that problem | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but then the A: and the actual answer don't align vertically | 01:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe I should try to use the CSS2 content generators instead | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and stuff a Q before the question | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and an A before the first paragraph in the answer | 01:58 |
| +BartJol | mmm, stuffing will be ugly | 02:00 |
| +BartJol | if you have to divs (question and answer) inside you might be able to put the q and a insie those and have the text as paragraphs | 02:02 |
| @preaction | content: doesn't work in IE6, and might not be working in IE7 | 02:02 |
| +BartJol | mm | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I have now BartJol | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | oh, sorry | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | it's 1 am | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, and you've been beaming | 02:03 |
| +BartJol | but that a and q are now floating divs | 02:04 |
| @preaction | I'd say ask a designer to do it. | 02:04 |
| +BartJol | if you position that paragraphs relative or absolute to the dhe div it will get better | 02:04 |
| +BartJol | but a real designer will be better | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | a designer was assigned to it in april | 02:05 |
| @preaction | you need the margin-top: 0; on there to remove the problematic margin. | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in there | 02:06 |
| +BartJol | almost the beginning of a joke: 2 programmers and a translator are trying to make a design... | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you're hitting the visitor cache unless you're logged in/admin on | 02:07 |
| @preaction | so what's the next problem? that the second paragraph doesn't start in the right place? | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | well | 02:08 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 02:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | if they weren't paragraph tags in the answer, they'd do that anyway | 02:08 |
| @preaction | right | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | but it's easy enough to do. add margin-left: 1.25em; on the <div> containing the answer | 02:09 |
| @preaction | and if you want the Q to line up as well, do the same thing you did to the A (float the Q and margin-left: 1.25em the <tmpl_var question> ) | 02:09 |
| Mech422 | starting a testing run of wre 0.9.3 on AMD64 | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | to do that, I'll need to redo the whole <b> as block element thing | 02:13 |
| @preaction | yes, and it shouldn't be a <b>, it should be a <strong> | 02:13 |
| @preaction | and it should already have a block-level context | 02:13 |
| @preaction | but really it could all be a <dl> with images taking the place of the Q and A | 02:14 |
| @preaction | but maybe you could just wait for the template group's new templates | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | are they redoing these? | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | rather this one in particular? | 02:18 |
| @preaction | i believe so | 02:18 |
| +BartJol | preaction: images? that is not i18n-able | 02:19 |
| Mech422 | Yes! | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | webgui1:/data# grep '^not ok' /data/wg_test.log | grep -v TODO | more | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | not ok 1278 - Spectre/Admin.pm compiles without warnings | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | not ok 1358 - sbin/spectre.pl compiles without warnings | 02:20 |
| @preaction | Mech422: those are currently happening on our smoke test box too | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | wre 0.9.3 on AMD64 passes all tests except that POE thingy adds a compile working :-) | 02:20 |
| Mech422 | preaction: yeah - POE adds a 'local definition hides higher definition' type warning | 02:21 |
| Mech422 | (ie name is defined in two scopes) | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not i18n'ed now, BartJol :( | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | congrats, Mech422! | 02:21 |
| +BartJol | well | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but it could be | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | ^International(Q,WebGUI); | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | what was the missing magic, Mech422? | 02:22 |
| +BartJol | well that would be better | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, on this list the Q and A template is missing: http://templates.unitedknowledge.nl/template-list | 02:23 |
| +BartJol | FAQ is a quite accepted term | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | leading me to believe they will ask to drop that template from wG in the future | 02:23 |
| +BartJol | but as loose stuff it isn't | 02:23 |
| @preaction | weird. it's a nice template with a nice feature | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I agree | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | how does it look now: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1244671385_917/qa ? | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it probably has too many divs | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and the inline styles need to be classes | 02:28 |
| @preaction | it's fine until the template working group gets their hands on it (or me, if they want to drop it) | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want a crack at it? | 02:29 |
| * perlDreamer would bow to your superior CSS-fu | 02:29 | |
| @preaction | login for that site? | 02:31 |
| @preaction | er.. nm | 02:32 |
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| @preaction | one sec i'll show you | 02:32 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: missing magic? none really - I just used my build script from before... | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what about the LD=ld stuff, and the -lperl stuff? | 02:33 |
| Mech422 | changing the IM version fixed all the 'poll.t' errors a while ago | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so you're all 0.9.3 and happy? | 02:34 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: oh - I removed LD=ld cuz I don't neeed it and added the path for -lperl... we had that already... | 02:34 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: the trick is gonna be getting it in a form jt is happy with so 1.0 can go out | 02:35 |
| Mech422 | I really _hate_ this build script :-P but he seems rather 'attached' to it | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | well, and it needs to be tested on Intel x64 as well? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | x64 == 64-bit | 02:35 |
| Mech422 | amd64 _is_ Intel x64... unlessyou mean Itanium ? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought there were still differences | 02:36 |
| Mech422 | IA64 == Itanium only, AMD64 = opteron/core duo | 02:36 |
| Mech422 | not really - this is actually an Intel machine I think - lemme check | 02:36 |
| Mech422 | model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5440 @ 2.83GHz | 02:37 |
| Mech422 | yeah - its an intel cpu | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so why have you been saying AMD64? You're confusing my poor, young brain. | 02:37 |
| Mech422 | because the name IS AMD64 | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | Intel stole AMD's arch | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | ia64 flopped | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | so Intel made their stuff AMD compatible :-P | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I understand now | 02:38 |
| Mech422 | I got confused by the --ia64 switch in build.sh - I thought you guys had Itanium systems or something :-P | 02:39 |
| Mech422 | I was hoping I'd get ssh access to some gawd-awful big Itanium box with dozens of cpu's and terabytes of RAM :-D | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, only JT has access to that box | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | he uses it to heat his house in winter | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and in the summer, he runs it backwards for cooling | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, part of my CSS problem is that I think it should work like PerlTk grids | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and it doesn't | 02:42 |
| Mech422 | Heh - I like that "runs it backwards.." :-D | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's hard to find browsers that emit content to feed it | 02:43 |
| Mech422 | so anyway - basically, if we _have_ to use the existing build script - its needs a grep, a couple of syntax errors fixed, and some code hoisted inside conditionals | 02:43 |
| Mech422 | if thats all thats gating 1.0 - yer done :-P | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I know you hate it, but if you send that patch to JT I know he'd appreciate it | 02:44 |
| Mech422 | but I'd really like to move to a 1-script-per-package system with a build.lst file controlling build orderr | 02:44 |
| Mech422 | it would be sooo much easier to deal with long run | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | what if you have to share stuff between them? | 02:44 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: then something is broken :-) but you can use env vars for that | 02:45 |
| @preaction | there is a secret to JT: if you say "we should do this" he assumes you're saying "JT should do this" | 02:45 |
| Mech422 | for instance export WRE_BUILD_TOP=/data | 02:45 |
| @preaction | if you just do it, and present it to him, show him the benefit, he'll most likely just let you put it in | 02:45 |
| Mech422 | preaction: as I've said - I'm willing to do it... | 02:45 |
| Mech422 | oh | 02:45 |
| Mech422 | ok | 02:45 |
| Mech422 | I have some sample code I've been playing with | 02:46 |
| Mech422 | I can polish that up | 02:46 |
| @preaction | even if, Synq/Koen is going to be putting lots of work into WRE, so if JT doesn't put it in, Koen might | 02:46 |
| Mech422 | I'd also like a /data/wrebuild/archives dir for storing 'pristine' tarballs so we don't have to (re-)download the stuff all the time | 02:46 |
| @preaction | if it makes it easier to maintain, most likely JT will be all for it | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | "indeed" | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | alright - I'll futz with that tommorrow then... | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | dang it, another bug! | 02:47 |
| Mech422 | Did anyone have any tests they wanted me to run on this build ? | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought you ran them all? | 02:48 |
| @preaction | nope, if it works, it works | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: well - any 'special' tests - I ran the tests in the tarball | 02:48 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: did the poll.t stuff make it into the 0.9.3. tarball ? | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | the tarball does not include the WebGUI source | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's downloaded | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | JT put in a workaround into the latest 7.6 and 7.7 to get around the IM bug | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | oh yeah... | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | I keep forgetting wre != wG | 02:49 |
| Mech422 | anyway -test is there and passes :-) | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that is very good news | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: we need to get Apache::Test set into the WRE so we can fire up your mech tests on a regular basis | 02:50 |
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| Mech422 | ok - off to annoy my rugrat :-) | 02:53 |
| Mech422 | later all | 02:53 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: if you want an account on smoke.plainblack.com to do whatever, let me know | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | when we get down to 0 core bugs, you're on | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | there are 40 total bugs on the board | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and only about 4-6 core bugs in that list | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the rest are rendering issues with IE | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and then Bazaar, Helpdesk and webgui.org specific bugs | 02:55 |
| @preaction | haahhahaahha you poor bastard | 02:55 |
| @preaction | IE6 render bugs == 7th circle of hell | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I'm going to punt them to a designer :) | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | are you still hacking on the Q&A template? | 02:56 |
| @preaction | yeah, almost done | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks good | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you'd like to hack on the IE6 rendering problems ;) | 02:57 |
| @preaction | it would look better if the damned <tmpl_var controls> wasn't a bunch of <p><img/></p>... | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | have you looked at it in IE yet? | 02:58 |
| @preaction | no | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an IE7 nearby, I'll have a peek | 02:58 |
| +BartJol | goodnight | 02:59 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i think that's about as good as I can do. stupid control bar | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the paragraph tags defy vertical alignment? | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | not a problem | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think they'll miss the old border around each Q/A pair? | 03:03 |
| @preaction | yeah, because they've got inline style, i can't screw with them (inline style overrides everything else) | 03:04 |
| @preaction | wait... !important! | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't look purdy on IE7/Vista | 03:04 |
| @preaction | i don't think they will, but ... crap | 03:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you want a screenshot? | 03:05 |
| @preaction | no, i'm loading an IE666/7 right now | 03:05 |
| * perlDreamer is going to take a dinner break | 03:06 | |
| +perlDreamer | BBQ beef ribs and potato salad | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I'm on a diet | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | BBQ beef rib and pota salad | 03:07 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11242 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/packages-7.7.10/q_and_a.wgpkg): Fix rendering issues with the CS Q&A template. | 04:13 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11243 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting the CS Q&A template. | 04:13 |
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| elnino | when upgrading, does the output from the webguiupdate.pl get put into a file somewhere? the instructions tell me to watch, but they go fast, and it's much longer than my buffer allows. | 04:36 |
| @preaction | elnino: use tee | 04:37 |
| @preaction | perl webguiupdate.pl | tee somefile <- the output will be in STDOUT and somefile | 04:37 |
| elnino | It seemst hat I tried using > but that didn't work. so tee will? Good to know. thanks! | 04:38 |
| @preaction | if > didn't work, then tee might not. you might have to also do 2>&1 | 04:39 |
| elnino | I got a Couldn't instanciate default asset 'PBtmpl0000000000000078', skipping...DONE! from going 7.5.40 to 7.6.10 something I should be concerned about? | 04:49 |
| @preaction | probably not, dunno | 04:49 |
| elnino | umm. | 05:11 |
| elnino | I updated to 7.6.24 and I'm getting 404 erros on every page of one of my sites... no errors in the output from the upgrade. | 05:12 |
| elnino | thoughts? | 05:12 |
| elnino | but when I go into assetmanager, they are there. | 05:12 |
| topsub1 | with thingy now can you call the field directly? Like if i added afield called name, can you do like <tmpl_var field.name> or something? Looking in help but haven't found anything | 05:13 |
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| elnino | topsub1, haven't used thingy | 05:29 |
| topsub1 | i am using a sql report to pull the fields | 05:29 |
| topsub1 | only thing i need to figure out is about images how to pull the thumbs | 05:29 |
| elnino | that's a good alternative | 05:29 |
| topsub1 | skinning thingy is so limited | 05:30 |
| @preaction | topsub1: ^StorageUrl(<tmpl_var field.name>,"thumb"); i think | 05:32 |
| @preaction | so <img src="^StorageUrl(<tmpl_var field.value>,"thumb");" /> | 05:32 |
| @preaction | i think | 05:32 |
| topsub1 | nice, haha i will try em here in a sec | 05:34 |
| elnino | hmm good to know. | 05:37 |
| elnino | so I'm restored back to 7.5.40 | 05:37 |
| elnino | disappointed about 7.6.26 | 05:38 |
| elnino | no idea what happened. | 05:38 |
| topsub1 | dang why? | 05:38 |
| elnino | I have about 15 sites all work but one. | 05:39 |
| elnino | and I didn't get any errors from the upgrade script | 05:39 |
| topsub1 | errors in log? | 05:39 |
| elnino | every page on that particular site gave me a 404. | 05:39 |
| elnino | but I was able to login, and in the asset manager they were all there. | 05:39 |
| elnino | I claeared the cache too, just in case. It was just weird | 05:40 |
| elnino | I'll look now. | 05:40 |
| topsub1 | whats the other options for ^storageUrl other then thumb? | 05:44 |
| topsub1 | i did full | 05:44 |
| topsub1 | or nothing maybe. haha | 05:44 |
| @preaction | nothing is the other option, shows the full URL | 05:45 |
| topsub1 | woot worked | 05:45 |
| topsub1 | awesome | 05:45 |
| topsub1 | being able to do this custom sql report agaist thingy = powerful.. haha | 05:45 |
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| elnino | I dont' see anything in the webgui.log | 05:48 |
| elnino | Well, I do, but not for the site that I was getting 404 errrors for. | 05:49 |
| elnino | just weirdness | 05:52 |
| topsub1 | and you said you cleared the cache? | 05:54 |
| elnino | yes. | 05:57 |
| elnino | I'm missing a nav on antoerh site. | 05:57 |
| elnino | but if I change the template for the nav, the pages show, so something happened witht he TreeNavigation template. | 05:59 |
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| elnino | does the webgui upgrade do backups on the database? knowmad seems to think so based on this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/restoring-from-webgui-upgrade | 06:04 |
| elnino | it seems that I've been missing a database in my backups.. =( | 06:04 |
| elnino | which explains a third site of weirdnes. | 06:05 |
| SDuensin | Sorry for the paste, this is totally off-topic but too cool not to spread around... | 06:10 |
| SDuensin | Easily hacked into Linux: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-Zipit-Z2-Wireless-Messenger-Silver-Charcoal-Z2A_W0QQitemZ120394748950QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_s_Pocket_PC_s?hash=item1c08161416&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12%7C66%3A2%7C39%3A1%7C72%3A2067%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 | 06:10 |
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| @preaction | where is the support FAQ? should we make one? | 06:24 |
| elnino | ok. I reread the wiki, and realized that knowmad told me where the sql backups are (thank you webgui), but there is a flag somewhere in the database that sets it in "maintainance mode" what do I need ot modify? | 06:24 |
| elnino | to get rid of the maintaince message | 06:25 |
| @preaction | settings table, name = "specialState", delete it | 06:25 |
| @preaction | or use sbin/maintenanceMode.pl | 06:25 |
| topsub1 | whew go preaction.. haha | 06:25 |
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| elnino | man I hate ie. | 06:28 |
| elnino | you think a refresh would refresh, but no, youhave to delete the off line files. | 06:29 |
| elnino | it worked thanks preaction | 06:29 |
| elnino | opps. kinda | 06:29 |
| topsub1 | ya IE is picky about its cache | 06:31 |
| elnino | There is only one central extras/ directory right? | 06:37 |
| @preaction | there should only be one, yes | 06:41 |
| elnino | so part of my weirdness after upgraing to 7.6.24, then reverting back to 7.5.40 (which appeared fine at the time) | 06:41 |
| elnino | was that one site, when you go into admin mode and edit an asset, all the formating is gone. | 06:41 |
| elnino | but the other sites work fine. | 06:42 |
| @preaction | weird | 06:42 |
| elnino | yes, and I'm lookin in both firefox and ie. | 06:42 |
| elnino | same results. | 06:42 |
| elnino | so it must not be a extras thing. perhaps a template was blown away? | 06:42 |
| elnino | but I did restore dbs... so that couldn't be it either. | 06:43 |
| elnino | Another site, tree navigation won't work, but on another site, it will. that would be a template issue. | 06:44 |
| elnino | and of course, I don't have the output of the 7.5.24 ->7.5.40 upgrade. I suppose I should just revert back to where I started. | 06:45 |
| elnino | grr. | 06:45 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r11244 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): rfe #10423: Provide a way to access the instance of the thing that was added, modified, or deleted via workflow. (Eric Kennedy) | 07:03 |
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| topsub1 | elnino, did you figure out whats going on? | 07:48 |
| topsub1 | hello perlDreamer | 07:49 |
| elnino | I reverted back to 7.5.24 and started over. | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, topsub1 | 07:49 |
| elnino | 7.5.40 seems to be clean. | 07:49 |
| topsub1 | ya sorry for some reason i have a 1.. ahha | 07:49 |
| elnino | I've added rm-r /tmp/WebGUICache/* to my proceedures and so far so good. | 07:49 |
| elnino | I'm going to call it a night and try 7.6.24 some other day | 07:50 |
| elnino | I have a feeling it was all cache stuff at this oint. | 07:50 |
| elnino | s/oint/point | 07:50 |
| topsub1 | ah | 07:50 |
| topsub1 | hope so, be something simple would be nice | 07:50 |
| elnino | but I can't explain the 404 on every page on the one site. THAT was weird. | 07:51 |
| elnino | I've also added using tee to my proceedures so I can actually go back and see what actually happened during the upgrade. | 07:52 |
| topsub1 | ah, nice | 07:52 |
| topsub1 | I have been converting my PHP framework portfolio into webgui | 07:52 |
| topsub1 | with a brand new design | 07:52 |
| topsub1 | using MVC framework | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 404, tee, MVC PHP | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so fancy | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I just built a train website for my kids | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | http://trainsinoregon.com | 07:57 |
| topsub1 | using webgui? | 07:57 |
| topsub1 | i think so | 07:57 |
| topsub1 | that calendar looks like WG | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it is | 07:57 |
| * perlDreamer is not a designer or graphics artist :/ | 07:57 | |
| elnino | you even bother asking? | 07:57 |
| topsub1 | haha | 07:58 |
| elnino | pd dreams webgui | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, whaddya think I did it in, plone? | 07:58 |
| elnino | it's a close second... | 07:58 |
| topsub1 | arg, i setup a sub domain at godaddy but hasn't resolved yet.. | 07:58 |
| topsub1 | arg | 07:58 |
| topsub1 | This is nice.. Thingy running my portfoli section.. using custom SQL reports to pull the data out | 08:00 |
| topsub1 | also had to do a sub query in one of the SQL reports | 08:00 |
| elnino | too much fun tonight. going to sleep now. | 08:06 |
| elnino | bye | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night, all | 08:08 |
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| beernutz | quick question: Is there some problem with the drag bars and reordering content? i cant get them to work in either IE or FF? | 15:14 |
| +bartjol | oh | 15:16 |
| +bartjol | beernutz: normally they work for me, what version are you running? | 15:16 |
| beernutz | let me check | 15:17 |
| +bartjol | and since it is a drag drop thing, js should be enabled i supp;ose | 15:17 |
| beernutz | 7.6.2 the centos vm image | 15:17 |
| beernutz | absolutely. js is enabled | 15:17 |
| +bartjol | ok | 15:18 |
| +bartjol | just making sure | 15:18 |
| beernutz | surething | 15:18 |
| beernutz | i know how that works lol | 15:18 |
| beernutz | it is so odd... thats whey i tried it in IE as well as ff | 15:18 |
| beernutz | no go in chrome either | 15:19 |
| beernutz | odd indeed | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | have you read the channgelog, maybe a bug was there | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | it was a beta version... | 15:19 |
| beernutz | no, let me check that. thanks for the reminder | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | if you wanna run beta, don't upgrade past 7.6.14 | 15:20 |
| beernutz | k, thanks. i just snagged the image they reccomended | 15:20 |
| +bartjol | ah | 15:20 |
| beernutz | so the 7.6.20 is beta then? | 15:20 |
| +bartjol | no stable | 15:20 |
| beernutz | ok.. whew lol | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | and you can go up to 7.6.26! | 15:21 |
| beernutz | 8) | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | I think from 7.6.15 it was stable | 15:21 |
| beernutz | coool | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | only minor bugs | 15:21 |
| beernutz | do you think it is worth the upgrade? | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | well, less errors is better | 15:22 |
| beernutz | not sure what is involved to upgrade is all | 15:22 |
| beernutz | indeed.. | 15:22 |
| beernutz | good point lol | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | you use the wre? | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | not sure whether that is included in that iomage | 15:22 |
| beernutz | the latest i see in the changelog is that they =fixex a drag and drop issue to use the handle for pickup... | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | well | 15:23 |
| beernutz | i believe it is iincluded in that image yes | 15:23 |
| +bartjol | ok well then, upgrading is easy | 15:23 |
| beernutz | is that done from admin console? | 15:23 |
| +bartjol | no from the command line | 15:23 |
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| +bartjol | instructions should be here: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading-webgui | 15:24 |
| beernutz | rock on. thank you | 15:25 |
| +bartjol | no problem | 15:25 |
| beernutz | will see if that fixs the issue | 15:25 |
| beernutz | wow, that fixed it. lol | 15:32 |
| beernutz | thank you for the help again | 15:32 |
| +bartjol | no problem, cool that it worked | 15:36 |
| beernutz | indeed | 15:36 |
| beernutz | now if only the drag resize would work on the template editor.. lol. i want everything i know. 8) | 15:37 |
| beernutz | does that work for you? | 15:38 |
| +bartjol | I have that problem too | 15:38 |
| beernutz | ahh. ok.. | 15:38 |
| +bartjol | not in every site | 15:38 |
| beernutz | ? | 15:38 |
| beernutz | is it version dependant? | 15:38 |
| +bartjol | well | 15:39 |
| +bartjol | it might be due to some libs that I don't have | 15:39 |
| beernutz | hmm. js libs you mean? | 15:39 |
| +bartjol | but have never really bothered to fix it | 15:40 |
| +bartjol | yui probably | 15:40 |
| beernutz | i see | 15:40 |
| +bartjol | not sure | 15:40 |
| beernutz | ya. i might have to look more closely at it myself.. | 15:40 |
| +bartjol | it is a test site | 15:40 |
| +bartjol | well if you find it, let me know | 15:40 |
| beernutz | it is so handy to be able to edit css and html right there, that would be MUCH nicer to have a wider view | 15:41 |
| +bartjol | well in css lines shouldn't be too long | 15:41 |
| +bartjol | but indeed it would be better | 15:41 |
| ryuu_ro | @bartjol: for the resizing you have to click the lower right corner once, then drag, and then click again | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | lol | 15:42 |
| ryuu_ro | in new versions that is | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | hee, it worked, even without the click | 15:42 |
| +bartjol | strange | 15:43 |
| beernutz | ahhhhhhh. on mine i have to DOUBLE click then i can resize | 15:43 |
| ryuu_ro | :D | 15:43 |
| beernutz | ya, very odd. but workable | 15:43 |
| beernutz | soooo much better now lol | 15:44 |
| +bartjol | ryuu_ro: thanks for a usefull comment voor de afwisseling | 15:45 |
| +bartjol | ;) | 15:45 |
| beernutz | lol | 15:45 |
| +bartjol | beernutz: (you are dutch too? | 15:45 |
| +bartjol | ) | 15:45 |
| ryuu_ro | no problem man | 15:45 |
| beernutz | no, but i can imply the meaning 8) | 15:45 |
| +bartjol | ah | 15:46 |
| +bartjol | ryuu_ro is my man! | 15:46 |
| beernutz | btw, i gotta admit to being pretty impressed with webgui. VERY nice so far | 15:46 |
| ryuu_ro | that sounds good, is it time for beer now? | 15:46 |
| +bartjol | not in a homosexual kind of way | 15:46 |
| +bartjol | sure | 15:46 |
| ryuu_ro | good | 15:46 |
| +bartjol | damn still gotta drive | 15:47 |
| +bartjol | ok back to work | 15:47 |
| beernutz | what time is it there ryuu_ro? | 15:47 |
| beernutz | tx again bartjol | 15:47 |
| ryuu_ro | 10 to 15:00 | 15:47 |
| beernutz | ahh. ok. 10 to 8am here | 15:48 |
| ryuu_ro | so you just came out of the bar :) | 15:48 |
| beernutz | lol, no.. stayed up all night messing with webgui | 15:48 |
| beernutz | 8) | 15:48 |
| ryuu_ro | yeah, that sounds familair :) | 15:49 |
| beernutz | lol | 15:49 |
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| hansw | hi | 16:12 |
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| +bartjol | afternoon hans | 16:29 |
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| hansw | hmmm, I already have more redirects then pages | 16:44 |
| hansw | legacy of 10 years pages created by people who do not know how the internet works | 16:45 |
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| SquOnk | Hi | 17:14 |
| @preaction | hi | 17:14 |
| +bartjol | hi | 17:17 |
| @plainhao | question about wg upgrades | 17:28 |
| @plainhao | tried running sbin/upgrade.pl for 7.5.34 to 7.6.26, it didn't run any of the upgrade scripts | 17:28 |
| @plainhao | after i ran docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.40-7.6.10.pl manually, sbin/upgrade.pl was able to run all the subsequent upgrade scripts | 17:30 |
| @preaction | did you read the gotcha.txt? maybe only 7.6.10 can run the 7.5.40-7.6.10 upgrade | 17:30 |
| ckotil | there is a gotcha that requires you to upgrade to 7.5.40 before going to 7.6.20 | 17:30 |
| ckotil | err. 7.6.10 | 17:30 |
| @plainhao | gotcha.txt 171: * You must be fully upgraded to 7.5.24 before upgrading to 7.6.0 | 17:31 |
| @plainhao | does that mean i should've actually tried running upgrade_7.5.24-7.6.0.pl first? | 17:32 |
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| @preaction | no, you should have downloaded 7.5.40 and upgraded to that before you tried upgrading to 7.6.x | 17:36 |
| @preaction | which isn't apparent in the 7.6.x gotcha file because the 7.6.x gotcha file started from 7.5.24 | 17:37 |
| topsub | ugh.. my vmware crap'd out thsi morning.. ugh! | 17:39 |
| @plainhao | yes, lots of crapping out this morning :) | 17:39 |
| topsub | not starting have to debug that little later today.. | 17:39 |
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| @plainhao | should i have manually installed 7.5.40 or would webguiupdate.pl install it properly for me if i tell it to? | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | webguiupdate.pl doesn't handle that currently | 17:41 |
| @plainhao | ok | 17:41 |
| @plainhao | thanks, Haarg | 17:41 |
| @plainhao | ok, time to restore stuff and try again | 17:42 |
| @Haarg | there was recently some discussion about making it do that on the dev list | 17:42 |
| @Haarg | in general though, you upgrade to the last release in a 7.x series before upgrading to 7.x+1 | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | is it possible to award users karma upon registration? | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: did you succeed with the css stuff for the q&a section? | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it was done successfully, but not by me | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction gets the credit for that one | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you want a package to see? | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | sure | 18:03 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease: i thought so, remember koen had wanted a way to transfer karma so he could make a bot that would register himself a bunch of times and then get the karma from them? | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | that was me | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that's upon loggin in | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, I think you can run a workflow on registration | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that should do the job | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but you'd need to add that workflow | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 18:04 |
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| rharhen | Im working on getting webgui to authenticate to ldap server (w2k3 AD) currently if i try to log in as a user that exists in ldap with the correct username/password it logs in and registers the account inside of webgui, if you use an incorrect username/password you get a login error. However, once the account is registered within webgui, that username with ANY password results in a successful login | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's no AwardKarma plugin yet right? | 18:05 |
| @preaction | rharhen: sounds like w2k3 AD is telling webgui it's authentic when it's not | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | not until you write it, MrHairgrease | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a bug to me | 18:06 |
| * MrHairgrease is writing | 18:06 | |
| rharhen | preaction, but it DOES fail with the wrong username/password initially | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | don't forget tests | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | why do i need tests? | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not going in the core, mind you | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | you should write tests so that when you put it in the core later, all the hard work is done | 18:07 |
| @preaction | rharhen: then i don't know, but that doesn't mean that AD isn't caching the auth or somehow tying it to the user's computer. WebGUI definitely requests credentials from the LDAP server every time | 18:08 |
| rharhen | yea,, and i can see that it does request it every time | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | bug-- | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer, I was just telling you that to get you on top of the cabinet as we say overhere in Eurotrashland | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Here we call that "on the soapbox" :) | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | still, I'm not writing tests, since I don't hav time for that now | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | slacker :) | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | very true | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | always remember: | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | MrHairgrease: I had a gethugeamounts of karma macro | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | 1) Lazyness | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2) Impatience | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | 3) Hubris | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | and lots of it | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | got me 1000 km over 1 night | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks, but i need a wf activity | 18:13 |
| +bartjol | ok | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | There is a M.A.S.H episode where they are trying to get an incubator for growing cultures. | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | They meet with a fellow from Quartermaster Supply | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and he starts flipping through a catalog | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | mmm, failed to extract | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the package? | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | yeah | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Odd | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | well, I have it and will lokk at it | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I exported it from the demo site | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | let me try it | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | probably my error | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | does the version matter? | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | i'm 7.6.25 | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I just tried it on 7.7.10 and it works | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it got corrupted in the mail? | 18:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | try this, perhaps? https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.10/q_and_a.wgpkg?rev=11242 | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | sorry | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | it did import | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | but I was impatient | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | and trying to import nothing gave an error | 18:18 |
| rharhen | preaction, as long as the account exists within webgui and there is SOMETHING in the "connect dn" field for that account (can be as incorrect and invalid as you want) any password seems to work for that user | 18:21 |
| @preaction | rharhen: it's possible that wg isn't correctly interpreting the response from AD | 18:22 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11245 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Last of the hardcoded extras fixes, with changelog notice. | 18:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11246 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Backporting hardcoded extras fixes. | 18:23 |
| rharhen | preaction, any idea where the code for that might live/ | 18:25 |
| @preaction | lib/WebGUI/Auth/LDAP.pm | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/awardkarma-workflow-activity] | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | whoops | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/awardkarma-workflow-activity | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | figured that | 18:35 |
| ckotil | mmm i need that activity on a scheduled timer set to every 5 minutes | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, just setup karma decay with a negative percentage | 18:40 |
| @preaction | clever :p | 18:41 |
| rharhen | preaction, bug in WG, authenticate() in LDAP.pm, compares error eq "" for a return value, however the case to handle a failed logon never sets error to anything | 18:41 |
| rharhen | line 182 | 18:41 |
| ckotil | nice. now i just need admin to plainblack.com | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | rharnen, which version of WebGUI are you using? | 18:42 |
| rharhen | wre 0.9.3 | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, what version of WebGUI are you using? | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6.??? 7.5.??? | 18:43 |
| @preaction | rharhen: grep VERSION /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 18:43 |
| rharhen | 7.6.26 | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | line 182 is comparing return codes from the ldap bind | 18:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | line 173 compares the result of the LDAP connection ($erro) to "" | 18:44 |
| rharhen | if ($auth->code == 48 || $auth->code == 49) { | 18:44 |
| rharhen | $self->SUPER::authenticationError; | 18:44 |
| rharhen | } | 18:44 |
| rharhen | is line 182,183,184 | 18:45 |
| rharhen | in the authenticate() subrouting | 18:45 |
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| rharhen | authenticate() returns error eq "" | 18:45 |
| rharhen | however in the case of an authentication error.. | 18:45 |
| rharhen | error never gets set | 18:45 |
| rharhen | adding $error .= '<li>'.$i18n->get(68).'</li>'; | 18:46 |
| rharhen | into that code block solves the problem | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | how about $error .= $self->SUPER::authenticationError; instead? | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 18:47 |
| rharhen | i'll try that when i get back from lunch | 18:48 |
| rharhen | about an hr or so | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | rharnen, let me know your full name, and I'll make sure you get credit for this fix in the WebGUI changelog. | 19:02 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11247 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Make LDAP auth return an error for failure to match passwords. | 19:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11248 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Backporting LDAP auth fix. | 19:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11249 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Reverting Thingy RFE commit. | 19:53 |
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| topsub | whew, got my vmware working again.. no idea what happen | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | i wonder if anyone would be interested in a virtualbox vm image? | 20:19 |
| @preaction | probably | 20:19 |
| daviddelikat1 | perlDreamer: hows the release going? | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty good | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there will be a brief pause while I go to the gym | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | is all the helpdesk stuff ready and in? | 20:23 |
| rharhen | perlDreamer, Rob Harhen <rharhen@gmail.com> | 20:23 |
| daviddelikat1 | I put the code in late last night... | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11250 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.t: Graceful dying without TAP::Harness v3 | 20:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11251 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.7.10 release | 20:23 |
| ckotil | i really like the vmplayer wre | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | I wrote a script that copies the code from the git area to the WebGUI area for installation | 20:24 |
| ckotil | i wish you could run it from the cli. i can only launch it from the gui | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | let me know if you want to try it... | 20:24 |
| daviddelikat1 | ckotil: are you running on WinXP? | 20:25 |
| ckotil | linux | 20:25 |
| ckotil | centos5 specifically | 20:25 |
| daviddelikat1 | vmware player of server? | 20:25 |
| ckotil | kinda neat that they chose centos5 for the vm | 20:26 |
| ckotil | vmplayer | 20:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | I've never used the player | 20:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | how is the gui? | 20:26 |
| ckotil | its nice. very intuitive | 20:26 |
| ckotil | load the vmx file, and hit go | 20:26 |
| daviddelikat1 | so if you exit the gui does it stop the vms? | 20:27 |
| ckotil | sadly yes | 20:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | very sad... | 20:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | the server is really nice, you should try it | 20:27 |
| daviddelikat1 | you can view the console from anywhere with network access to the host | 20:27 |
| ckotil | alright | 20:27 |
| ckotil | cool | 20:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | all the vm controls are web based | 20:28 |
| ckotil | yeah, that would definately be useful in a production environment | 20:28 |
| daviddelikat1 | the only trouble is that even on the server you have to have a browser to work with it | 20:28 |
| ckotil | im running vmplayer at home. | 20:28 |
| ckotil | wanted to move a site to webgui, but im already running mysql and apache, and of course the wre doesnt like that. so the vmplayer is great for that. and i just use mod_proxy on my apache instance and proxy to the vm. | 20:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | I run it all from home | 20:29 |
| daviddelikat1 | but my office looks like a server farm | 20:29 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's warm in the winter, and in the summer, he can bake bread in there | 20:30 |
| topsub | When is paypal going to be a default driver? | 20:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | I work for a scrap company and so I have to try some of the equipment out... | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | now, topsub | 20:30 |
| ckotil | heh, so you make some good finds in the scrap? | 20:30 |
| daviddelikat1 | indeed, I'm messing around with a couple of 64bit units at work these days | 20:31 |
| ckotil | ive got a big dell tower, and a few small dell desktops all running linux stacked up in my closet connected to a wireless bridge. that's my setup at home. | 20:31 |
| ckotil | and 1 hardwired too in the living room. | 20:31 |
| daviddelikat1 | I prefer smaller units, I've got three 1U rackmounts | 20:32 |
| ckotil | ive been looking for a half rack or cabinet. but they cost too much. so i wait | 20:32 |
| daviddelikat1 | I just stack mine on a wire rack | 20:33 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | makes maintenance difficult | 20:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | but I manage | 20:33 |
| daviddelikat1 | you could probably replace that huge Dell with a nice dual P3 2.? GHz gadget for about $100 | 20:34 |
| daviddelikat1 | oops there goes my sales pitch again | 20:34 |
| ckotil | dual p3? | 20:34 |
| ckotil | that dell sc1420 has a xeon 2.8 64 bit | 20:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats most of my equipment | 20:35 |
| ckotil | w/ a slot for another cpu | 20:35 |
| ckotil | i got a great deal on it. $175 | 20:35 |
| ckotil | about 6 months ago. | 20:35 |
| daviddelikat1 | OK you run better than I do... | 20:35 |
| ckotil | the rest of the dells are p4 2ghz | 20:36 |
| ckotil | they come from the university's junk pile | 20:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | but the dual p3 can match many of the p4's out there | 20:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | single or dual? | 20:36 |
| ckotil | you can buy pallets of them (~20 systems) for $500 bucks | 20:36 |
| ckotil | singles | 20:36 |
| ckotil | these are workstations that were in the computer labs on campus | 20:36 |
| daviddelikat1 | which unicvversity are we talking about? | 20:37 |
| ckotil | and as time goes on, the systems get better and better :) . but they seem to get smaller too, which isnt very good when i like to stuff them with hdd's | 20:37 |
| ckotil | Indiana University | 20:37 |
| daviddelikat1 | thats a bit of a drive from madison, wi | 20:37 |
| ckotil | ya. come down for when the badgers play the hoosiers | 20:38 |
| daviddelikat1 | storage is definately a problem whith these things | 20:38 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym, be back in 90 | 20:38 | |
| daviddelikat1 | I have a SCSI raid contraption on one of mine | 20:38 |
| ckotil | yeah, gotta have a raid. scsi drives cost a lot tho | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | this takes IDE | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | pretty cool that way | 20:39 |
| ckotil | ah cool. i lucked out and got 2, 3ware 9500's 8 port sata. | 20:39 |
| daviddelikat1 | I'm watching for Sata stuff, but its hard to come by right now. | 20:40 |
| ckotil | put one in the big dell, and now im set on space for a while | 20:40 |
| ckotil | hard drive space is like fun, you cant have too much of it | 20:41 |
| daviddelikat1 | gotta watch the power supply though | 20:41 |
| ckotil | ya | 20:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | more than ounce I dragged a computer because the power supply was insuffitient | 20:42 |
| daviddelikat1 | it gets pretty flakey | 20:42 |
| ckotil | i really want a new desktop at home. so i started spec'ing out a quad core duo w/ ddr3 1600 and a big ass PS. 1 kilowatt | 20:46 |
| ckotil | but man, is it ever expensive | 20:46 |
| ckotil | i got it down to $600 without a video card and hdd | 20:46 |
| topsub | holy cow! haha | 20:46 |
| daviddelikat1 | what were you getting for HD? | 20:47 |
| ckotil | i was gonna throw that other 3ware card in it | 20:47 |
| ckotil | buy 2-1TB samsungs | 20:47 |
| topsub | haha | 20:47 |
| ckotil | maybe 3 in a raid5 config | 20:47 |
| topsub | i have 2x 750gb and 1 74gb 10k raptor | 20:47 |
| ckotil | those drives are 100 a piece now | 20:47 |
| ckotil | cool, the raptor is the OS drive? | 20:48 |
| topsub | correct | 20:48 |
| topsub | os and any fast games | 20:48 |
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| topsub | well games that need the speed otherwise i have a folder on the data drives for programs | 20:48 |
| topsub | well i bbl, going to lay by the pool for little bit | 20:49 |
| * ckotil jealous | 20:50 | |
| topsub | before it starts rainning | 20:50 |
| ckotil | ohh sun's popping out here. | 20:50 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11252 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/ (Account/Inbox.pm i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm): Fix broken i18n labels in Account/Inbox. | 22:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11253 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Account/Inbox.pm i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm): Forward porting Account/Inbox i18n fixes. | 22:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11254 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Bug attribution | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | do they make solar laptop chargers? | 22:26 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11255 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: Fix missing i18n in the shortcut. | 22:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11256 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Backporting from HEAD, 11254, 11255. | 22:38 |
| hansw | Hi all, I know the version is very old but does anyone know if it is possible to give content managers in webgui the rights to set a page online or hide it? | 22:42 |
| hansw | webgui 5.4 | 22:43 |
| hansw | I do not want to give them admin access | 22:43 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11257 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.27 release. | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hansw, your options are limited | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | You could try changing the UI level of the users | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and then customizing them in the WebGUI config file to hide stuff | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but you have to Turn Admin On to get access to the editing controls | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | so you're kinda stuck | 22:55 |
| ckotil | how about a macro that passes the assetID and flips the on off switch? | 23:04 |
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| hansw | perlDreamer, thanks | 23:15 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, will I be able to define what people can do in recent versions? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | only with the UI level twiddling | 23:16 |
| hansw | hmm, that is a pitty | 23:16 |
| hansw | but I will have a closer look, might tune it a bit for us | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have problems, post back and we'll see if we can help | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe there's a good RFE lurking near here | 23:18 |
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| hansw | perlDreamer, well, what I want is not to hard I think, I want content managers, or a defined group by the admin, to be able to set pages online and define from when to when they will be online, I did see the semi admin role but that one is not able to do it too | 23:20 |
| hansw | for a new version I would like to just define what people can do (in a group) and then add users to it | 23:21 |
| hansw | that might take some more work :-) | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, and more than just a little | 23:22 |
| hansw | I will get my hands wet after the summer holidays | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so set pages online, that's an asset edit | 23:22 |
| hansw | hmm, nice | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | to set when they are available, that is a version tag function, which is separate | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and requires Admin console access | 23:22 |
| hansw | I will give it some more thoughts and see if I can mockup something for 5 while I am working on it, maybe it's not to hard to port it to a recent version | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you could also check out the Admin Groups in the Settings | 23:23 |
| hansw | I even see some chances using an sql report mix | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | they may already allow what you want | 23:23 |
| hansw | I will, thanks for the tips | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome :) | 23:24 |
| hansw | btw, is 7 using mysql functions? | 23:24 |
| hansw | as in, user defined functions in sql? | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I know of | 23:25 |
| hansw | ok, I just need to install 7 :-) | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you might want to ask that question on the developer forum | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | since every once in a while there are talks about trying to stay db agnostic | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | there are some wG folk who want a postgres complaint WebGUI | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hell yes! | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You didn't think that I'd forgotten about that, did you SquOnk? ;) | 23:31 |
| SquOnk | DBIx::Class is the way | 23:31 |
| hansw | perlDreamer, as long as the user defined functions are well documented it should not be a problem | 23:33 |
| hansw | spamikaze is ported to postgres too :-) | 23:34 |
| hansw | and I can test webgui using oracle too, not a real problem | 23:35 |
| hansw | or mssql, although I prefer to stay on unix | 23:35 |
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| hansw | I would like to get into development again, after we brought the site online the first questions for 'plugins' came one day later | 23:39 |
| hansw | might have to write some integration for salesforce | 23:39 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11258 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.10-beta: Release 7.7.10-beta | 23:53 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, the CS Q&A bug was the one involving the answers being outside of the answer box eh? | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction beat the snot out of that one | 00:17 |
| @tavisto | heh.. nice timing. I just got angry at the one on CMSmatrix.org and temporarily switched the template to the topics tmpl | 00:17 |
| * preaction kills bugs dead | 00:17 | |
| @tavisto | that stupid bug was alive for like 2 years | 00:17 |
| @tavisto | thank God | 00:17 |
| @tavisto | it kept morphing | 00:17 |
| @tavisto | and doing ninja moves to survive | 00:17 |
| @tavisto | way to go preaction, way to cut thru the ninja smoke and end that fool | 00:18 |
| * preaction bows solemnly | 00:19 | |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11259 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Preparing for 7.7.11 development. | 00:23 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11260 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.27-stable: Release 7.6.27-stable | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's right ladies and gentlemen. | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I have achieved the single day dual release! | 00:24 |
| @preaction | DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNN | 00:27 |
| @preaction | why? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | just so we have just one day for releases? | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | security bug | 00:28 |
| @preaction | whoops | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i just tried this on a demo site and it left a version tag when it shouldn't have http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/10506 | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you did? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it did, I mean? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | created a demo site, editted welcome article to be a package, went to another page, deployed package | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | and there was an open version tag | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | in the admin bar | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | beta or demo? | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | demo | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | are they configured in a particular way? | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | defaults | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | which is autocommit | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | beta acts the same | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I just did one on demo: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1244754039_594/ | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no version tag | 00:35 |
| @preaction | did we verify that bug? i mean, i don't know of an LDAP server we have to use to test/verify | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug was verified | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing was added to the error variable | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | so it compares true against "" | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and returned true from authenticate | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | where did you try to deploy the package? | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | on the site_map page | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | i just tried on the documentation page and it created a version tag | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | no way | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the version tag just showed up | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | when I did a page refresh | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | how are you deploying it? | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | that's mine | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | clicking on the URL | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | i used your delp | 00:36 |
| @Haarg | demo | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try that page locally | 00:37 |
| @Haarg | deploying through the asset manager auto commits | 00:38 |
| @Haarg | but using the admin bar does not | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that explains it then | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I never use the admin bar | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | in the asset manager | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the only difference between those two URLs is the proceed=assetManager at the end | 00:40 |
| @Haarg | should be a simple fix | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I think this is 2 bugs | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) deploy package doesn't do anything with version control | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) redirecting to the assetManager should not do an autocommit for you | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you have a few minutes? | 00:49 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure about 2 | 00:50 |
| @Haarg | it is a little odd, but the code to do that is there for a good reason | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure, but it also will autocommit any open version tag you have | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | and if that situation ever occurs, that most likely means there is a bug elsewhere | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | only with autocommit on | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | if autocommit is on there shouldn't be open version tags | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | then wouldn't that code be superfluous? | 00:53 |
| @Haarg | it is there to handle the copy/cut/duplicate functions of the asset manager | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, because they all use skipAutoCommit | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 00:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11261 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.6.28 development. | 00:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11262 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): deploying a package doesn't commit version tag in autocommit mode | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to forward port that for you? | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | i'll take care of it | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm going to install an old ubuntu to try it against a new Gallery to see if the rendering is better | 00:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I'm installing ubuntu in a vm | 01:08 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: my replacement laptop hd came in and its connector is the wrong form factor. | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | dude, that sucks | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | can you ship it back to get the correct one? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Or will you have to buy a laptop to wrap around that new drive? | 01:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, no idea. looks like the drive is pin for pin compatable, so I'm thinking of just soldering htem. | 01:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 15 pins and 7 pins, and they both said "1 x 7-pin Serial ATA/300 Serial ATA". So surely they are the same, just some weird Dell specific form factor. | 01:24 |
| @Haarg | it has a different connector? odd. | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | whenever I've bought replacement hard drives online, I always check to see if they way they work in a particular laptop | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but trust Dell to have their own connector | 01:31 |
| @Haarg | daviddelikat1, you should set a name/email in your git config | 02:02 |
| @Haarg | or not commit as root if you already have that set | 02:03 |
| topsub | Is there a way to disable the textarea resize thing? | 02:05 |
| @preaction | from the code, yes. otherwise no | 02:07 |
| topsub | The code being? | 02:07 |
| topsub | from the perl? or the frontend templates? | 02:07 |
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| topsub | I used jquery to remove the class that turned on the yui resize | 02:21 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer++ | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? What did I do? | 02:47 |
| +patspam | another week, another release :) | 02:47 |
| +patspam | perlmonkey2: I woke up at 4am last night and realised that Survey has a bug | 02:48 |
| +patspam | individual survey answer responses are recorded in the db as a hash keyed by sectionIndex-questionIndex-answerIndex | 02:52 |
| +patspam | if you do anything to your survey that changes the section/question/answer ordering, those response keys become invalid | 02:53 |
| +patspam | I think the solution is to add a guid to every section/question/answer | 02:55 |
| +patspam | I've recorded it as bug #10520 and will have a crack at it first chance I get (which is looking like monday) | 03:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, I'll assign the bug to tavisto so he can fix it | 03:22 |
| @tavisto | um | 03:22 |
| +patspam | sounds good to me! | 03:22 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto wacks perlDreamer with a shovel* | 03:23 |
| * perlDreamer ducks | 03:23 | |
| @tavisto | *tavisto thinks perlDreamer cannot duck after he types he HIT him with a shovel* | 03:23 |
| * perlDreamer ducks _before_ the aforementioned shovel | 03:23 | |
| @tavisto | *not possible because you didn't know I was going to do it* | 03:24 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto thinks perldreamer is breaking the rules of IRC and physics and time travel* | 03:24 |
| @tavisto | for that, the penalty is denial of me fixing your bug | 03:24 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or he's got a serious post-shovel buzz going on | 03:24 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: ah, do we version surveys? | 04:16 |
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| +patspam | perlmonkey2: yeah i was thinking about that last night | 04:21 |
| +patspam | we create a new revision on every Edit page submit, but not every Edit Survey page submit | 04:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | right | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | does that help with the way that responses are stored? | 04:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | results are tied to a particular survey, but that is all (installing mysql to look at the db). | 04:22 |
| +patspam | yeah. you could try to solve it by storing a revision id with the response | 04:22 |
| +patspam | but you'd need to create a new revision on every survey structure edit | 04:23 |
| +patspam | which would create a *lot* of revisions | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but then when you edit it, all the old responses becomes irrelevant | 04:23 |
| +patspam | responses would be bound to a revision | 04:23 |
| +patspam | it doesn't feel like the right solution, i think it'd be better if items had unique ids that didn't change when you change the survey structure | 04:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | isn't the structure of the survey as it was started by a response, stored in the response? | 04:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I thought a response had the survey order stored with it. | 04:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Maybe add enough information for each response to rebuild the survey in most ways? | 04:26 |
| +perlmonkey2 | That doesn't seem right either. | 04:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | how about a new table to store a version of the survey on each response. But if that version is already there upon a new response, it just keys to the existing one? So a new version is stored only upon a new response started o a new survey design. | 04:28 |
| +patspam | that could get pretty confusing to end users | 04:30 |
| +patspam | or not, hmm i need to think about it more! | 04:31 |
| +patspam | but gotta run now | 04:31 |
| * perlDreamer thinks patspam's original was pretty good | 04:31 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | I don't see how the original idea solves the problem. | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | if each field has a unique identifier, then you can always connect a survey response to it's question. | 04:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: but if you change survey's sections, questions, or answers, the id's in the response will no longer match up to the survey's. | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I probably don't understand the problem well enough. | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's okay | 04:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | The unique id's are array indexes to the survey structure. | 04:38 |
| +Radix_ | Hmm.. looks like the wre 0.9.3 doesn't like my 7.4.40 version of webgui.. produces a 503 'service temporarily available' error | 04:42 |
| +Radix_ | anyone know what the upgrade steps are for this version? | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | for the WRE, or WebGUI? | 04:45 |
| +Radix_ | webgui.. 7.4.40->7.5.40->7.6.27? | 04:46 |
| +Radix_ | or do I need to do some hops inbetween? | 04:46 |
| +Radix_ | wre is the latest | 04:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that looks right | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | be sure to double check the gotchas files for more info | 04:47 |
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| topsub | arg for some reason a shortcut is undraggable.. Like something is messed up, is there a way to set it to antoher position? | 05:15 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: youtube to the rescue. | 05:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | looked up videos on how to change your hard drive in a vostro, and one showed the adapter. Never occurred to me to yank on the flimsy piece of plastic with the pins on it :P | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | ha! | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | saved you some soldering | 05:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no doubt | 05:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and it is like a new laptop. With ext4 + a new 7200rpm sata300 drive, things are *fast* | 05:42 |
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| |andrewcreer| | Hello irc and webgui newbie here. Anyone there? | 08:52 |
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| +Radix_ | hi |andrewcreer| | 10:26 |
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| SynQ | dutch demo servers have just been upgraded to latest versions of stable and beta | 11:45 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: martin * r11263 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Fixed a bug which caused empty version tags to not be deleted because of a wronhg method call. | 12:38 |
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| kimd | Hi folks! | 14:19 |
| kimd | Short question: which format do we use to store timestamps in the database? | 14:19 |
| kimd | Is it MySQL datetime? | 14:19 |
| kimd | Or rather WebGUI epoch format? | 14:20 |
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| joepep | hello all | 16:07 |
| joepep | i am interreseted in trying webgui and was wondering is there a way to install webgui to a hosting server ? | 16:08 |
| SynQ | joepep: that depends | 16:08 |
| SynQ | joepep: if you would like to try webgui, use one of the demo servers | 16:09 |
| SynQ | demo.webgui.org | 16:09 |
| SynQ | for example | 16:09 |
| SynQ | that will create you a 1 day demo | 16:09 |
| joepep | i tried it and looks good | 16:09 |
| joepep | i want to see how the istall goes | 16:09 |
| joepep | but cant get specific install instruction | 16:10 |
| SynQ | well there is | 16:10 |
| SynQ | hang on, I'll look up the url | 16:10 |
| SynQ | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/wre-installation | 16:10 |
| SynQ | there you go | 16:10 |
| joepep | thank you i am looking at it now | 16:11 |
| joepep | ok i understand that i need to have a local server and cannot install it at a remote hosting company . is that correct ? | 16:14 |
| SynQ | that depends | 16:14 |
| SynQ | what you mean by 'remote hosting company' | 16:15 |
| joepep | hostexcellence hosting company | 16:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | joepep, you'll need server access to install webgui | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you rent a virtual server to which you have root acccess at hostexclenece, you can install | 16:20 |
| +bartjol | or host at procolix | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you only have ftp access or something like it, you won't be able to do so | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 16:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | there are a number of companies that offer webgui hosteing | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | for fairly low prices | 16:21 |
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| joepep | thank you guys i will check with hostexcellence if possible | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | success! | 16:27 |
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| +bartjol | is there a webgui method to check the size of the uploads folder? | 17:30 |
| +bartjol | I used a du command, but that isn't usable everywere | 17:31 |
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| +bartjol | mmm maybe via the storage module | 17:35 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, getFileSize for every stored file | 17:37 |
| SynQ | bartjol: that sounds very performance unfriendly | 17:38 |
| +bartjol | yeah, that what I was thinking | 17:39 |
| +bartjol | but then a correct sentence | 17:39 |
| SynQ | unless you save the fileSize in the database on the moment of storing the file | 17:39 |
| +bartjol | well, it will remain the du command for now | 17:40 |
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| @steveo_aa | WebGUI::Inbox. I've examined the code to determine if there is a stop flag to prevent external email from being sent when an inbox message is received. I have not observed any. Is it current by design, to always send email from an inbox submission to a recipient with an email address in their profile? | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | yes, that is how it is designed | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | would make sense as an rfe to have a site and/or user setting for that though | 18:07 |
| @steveo_aa | Thanks for the confirmation. I have received an outstanding request and wanted to make sure I wasn't duplicating something there that I missed or that was in the works. | 18:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | Morning, folks :) | 18:15 |
| @steveo_aa | Hi perlDreamer. Available for a chat? | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. | 18:16 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11264 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Forward ported deployPackage autocommit fix. | 18:42 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11265 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): Backporting empty version tag fixes. | 18:42 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 19:25 |
| SynQ | what does this mean: Could not create workflow instance for workflowId 'pbworkflow000000000007': It is a singleton workflow and is still running from the last invocation. | 19:26 |
| SynQ | and should I take action on that? | 19:26 |
| SynQ | what does it actually do? | 19:26 |
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| @preaction | SynQ: it means that workflow is already running and isn't allowed to run again. you should let the first instance complete, if it doesn't, there's something wrong with it (check the error log) | 19:32 |
| SynQ | hmm | 19:32 |
| SynQ | it doesn't say anything in the error log | 19:33 |
| SynQ | but my webgui.log is filling up with these messages for one of the servers | 19:33 |
| SynQ | pbworkflow00000000007 how do I find that in webgui? | 19:34 |
| SynQ | ah | 19:34 |
| SynQ | when I go into one of them sites | 19:35 |
| SynQ | I can see that it is the 'Hourly Maintenance Tasks' 'Get syndicated content' workflow | 19:35 |
| SynQ | well | 19:37 |
| SynQ | it doesn't seem to hurt the server :) | 19:37 |
| SynQ | so I'm off to have a nice weekend | 19:37 |
| SynQ | later | 19:37 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11266 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/wobject/Matrix/matrixCompareList.js: fixing sticky show/hide in IE | 19:54 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11267 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixing Matrix stickied hide/show in IE | 19:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | SynQ, pbworkflow00000000007 is sending emails | 20:08 |
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| SynQ | perlDreamer: I saw that yes | 20:13 |
| SynQ | I have allready solved the issue by running spectre --run --debug | 20:14 |
| SynQ | and I saw that the number of workflows was lagging from a massive 'delete' action this afternoon | 20:14 |
| SynQ | which spawned a lot (more then 200) workflows | 20:14 |
| SynQ | so I turned up the amount of allowed workflows | 20:15 |
| SynQ | kept a close watch for a few minutes | 20:15 |
| SynQ | and that helped | 20:15 |
| SynQ | thanks :) | 20:15 |
| @Haarg | what version are you running? | 20:16 |
| @Haarg | those deletion workflows shouldn't exist for most cases anymore | 20:16 |
| SynQ | Haarg: 7.4.something | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | i think that was a change in 7.5 | 20:17 |
| @Haarg | don't remember exactly | 20:17 |
| SynQ | I'm actually cleaning out all the cruft so I can do an upgrade to 7.6 stable soon :) | 20:17 |
| SynQ | soon = in a few hours when all normal people have gone to bed | 20:17 |
| SynQ | gotta run now | 20:18 |
| SynQ | later | 20:18 |
| dhelsten | Question: I have multiple ads that point to a landing page on my site. I'm using Google analytics to track the pages. Rather than creating a new landing page for each site, I'd like to use a unique url to reach the page. The thought occured that I could add something to the URL after a ? in a way similar to ?op=switchOnAdmin. Is there a dummy statement that will still go to the page but won't affect the pages content? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you can stick anything in there that WebGUI will ignore | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | don't forget WebGUI's "other" features | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | like Redirect | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and Shortcut | 20:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, you could play games with URL rewriting in your apache config | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, i forward ported (and tested) the deployPackage patch | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i saw | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and I backported Yung's patch as well | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I noticed his Matrix fixes were already backported | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, not Yung, but Martin | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: Are _all_ workflow activites supposed to be in the default config file? | 21:01 |
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| @Haarg | i would think so perlDreamer, unless there was some particular reason to avoid doing that | 21:44 |
| dhelsten | Thanks perlDreamer. This will make it easy to track my ads. Thanks! | 21:54 |
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| elnino | hi. | 22:54 |
| elnino | I need ot make sure my terminology is correct, a "thread" is a new conversation on a CS system. right? and a post is the actual replies back and forth on that thread, right? | 22:55 |
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| elnino | Ie: the thread is a collection of posts. | 22:57 |
| kimd | preaction, do you have a sec for JS-related questions? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | kimd: sure | 22:57 |
| @preaction | elnino: correct | 22:57 |
| kimd | I am trying to improve your chatbox. | 22:57 |
| kimd | I moved the formatting of the chat to webgui. | 22:57 |
| kimd | Now I want to have JS update the content. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | so webgui spits out HTML with the chatbox's contents? | 22:58 |
| kimd | How can I set some node referenced by its id to any HTML content? | 22:58 |
| kimd | Exactly! | 22:58 |
| @preaction | document.getElementById( id ).innerHTML = someHTML; // ez | 22:59 |
| kimd | Cool! | 22:59 |
| elnino | so, if you "disable replies" that means you are only allowing for a "a thread with one post" | 22:59 |
| kimd | That's probably all I needed! | 22:59 |
| kimd | Thank you very much! | 22:59 |
| @preaction | elnino: right | 22:59 |
| @preaction | elnino: know also that the "Thread" is also a "Post", so that's how there's only a Thread asset | 22:59 |
| elnino | yep, that was what I figured, it was kinda confusing... but i think I get it. | 23:00 |
| elnino | Thanks preaction | 23:00 |
| @preaction | np | 23:00 |
| elnino | mm. one other question. | 23:01 |
| elnino | is there a why to disable two way converstaion? | 23:01 |
| kimd | preaction, it works!!! | 23:01 |
| kimd | Really cool! | 23:01 |
| elnino | oh never mind. is there ranking on cs wobjects? | 23:02 |
| kimd | Do you want me to submit the code to the Bazaar once I am done? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | CS no, Thread/Post yes | 23:02 |
| @preaction | kimd: if you want you can just e-mail me the patch doug@plainblack.com | 23:02 |
| @preaction | then i'll remember to set up a git repository that we can start committing to | 23:03 |
| kimd | Good. I am going to do that. | 23:03 |
| kimd | Sounds good! | 23:03 |
| kimd | Probably not tonight. | 23:03 |
| kimd | But maybe tomorrow. | 23:03 |
| elnino | I take it it's just there, as opposed to something I enable/disalbe. I dont' see the option. but I'm also still on 7.5.40. | 23:03 |
| @preaction | i think so, but i dunno really | 23:05 |
| elnino | k. no problem. | 23:05 |
| elnino | that's it for now. | 23:06 |
| elnino | =) | 23:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | grrr | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't believe I missed kimd | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I need answers from kimd for a bug about calendar events taking a long time to commit | 23:36 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11268 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Replace fields that use a group that is deleted with a safe group, like Admin. rfe#76 | 23:53 |
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| * perlDreamer goes for an early weekend | 00:09 | |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11269 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Group.pm: Remove debugging code. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | 'later, all :) | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/39088 <- I like it! | 01:09 |
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| daviddelikat | preaction: that is very cool | 01:17 |
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| elnino | hey preaction, | 06:32 |
| elnino | if the cs wobject distinuishes who can post a new thread, verses just replies, what template variable can I use to determine that? I only see user.canPost | 06:33 |
| @preaction | it might be a different value when looking at the Thread (to post a Post) as opposed to looking at the CS (to post a Thread) | 06:35 |
| elnino | hmm. well, I'm looking at ALL the threads (it's a weblog) and there is a single "add" button that shows up at the top. which is really misleading. | 06:36 |
| elnino | Ill play around with it more. | 06:36 |
| elnino | preaction - and "moderator" is one that can start a thread? | 06:59 |
| elnino | must be. | 07:00 |
| @preaction | moderator can edit threads and posts i believe | 07:03 |
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| ekennedy1 | I've got a weird thing going on. I've got a page that I can view with "Turn Admin On" but when I turn if off the page is blank and the following error is in the WebGUI log file "2009/06/12 23:32:09 - WARN - www.omahabiblechurch.org.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[210] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: cic Root cause: Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::User" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asse | 07:38 |
| @preaction | what is that line trying to do? | 07:39 |
| ekennedy1 | Let me check. | 07:39 |
| ekennedy1 | It's got to do with checking cache: | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | ##If admin mode is not on, and the cache is valid, and not expired, and the user object was not updated, | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | ##return the cached value. | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | if ( ! $session->var->isAdminOn | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | && $overridesRef | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | && $overridesRef->{cacheNotExpired} | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | && $overridesRef->{userLastUpdated} >= $u->get('lastUpdated')) { | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | return %{ $overridesRef }; | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | } | 07:43 |
| ekennedy1 | 448 is the line with the if statement. | 07:44 |
| @preaction | please don't paste to the channel | 07:44 |
| @preaction | what file is this? | 07:44 |
| @preaction | your first line got cut off | 07:44 |
| @preaction | ekennedy1: no, the usually response it to use a pastebin when pasting more than 3 lines | 07:45 |
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| ekennedy1 | Sorry, didn't know about the pastebin. Not very experienced with IRC. It is from lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm (from 7.6) | 07:48 |
| @preaction | have you deleted users recently? | 07:50 |
| ekennedy1 | It looks like it must be the call to $u->get('lastUpdated') | 07:50 |
| ekennedy1 | No not that I am aware of. | 07:50 |
| @preaction | what's the full version you're running? | 07:51 |
| ekennedy1 | 7.6.27-stable | 07:51 |
| @preaction | great. someone decided to call a 7.7 API method in 7.6 | 07:52 |
| @preaction | change $u->get('lastUpdated') to $u->lastUpdated | 07:52 |
| ekennedy1 | Thanks. I'll submit a bug report. | 07:53 |
| @tavisto | preaction, does the WRE install look different when not in dev mode? | 07:53 |
| @tavisto | this looks really really plain jane | 07:53 |
| @preaction | tavisto: no, it doesn't | 07:53 |
| @tavisto | wow, that definitely needs to be addressed | 07:54 |
| @tavisto | I had no idea | 07:54 |
| @preaction | why? what do you mean? | 07:54 |
| @preaction | what is dev mode for that matter? | 07:54 |
| @tavisto | I mean I'm not seeing nice looking screens during the install. Configuring Your WRE Server is just a white screen with black text | 07:54 |
| @tavisto | dev mode is an option when you install | 07:54 |
| @tavisto | I wondered if maybe since I am doing the dev mode install that maybe it lacked nicer templates during the install | 07:55 |
| @tavisto | part of the WRE install has the blue screen and that's okay, but I'd like to see us go farther with the look during install | 07:55 |
| @tavisto | first impressions mean a lot | 07:55 |
| @preaction | no, that's just how it looks. the dev mode is going to be removed anyway | 07:55 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah? gotcha. There's no documentation that tells you what dev mode is | 07:56 |
| @tavisto | I had to search and find an old 2007 patspam forum question/answer | 07:56 |
| ekennedy1 | preaction: That fixed it thanks. I'll submit a bug report and commit a fix to SVN. | 08:00 |
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| @tavisto | preaction, you still around | 08:39 |
| @preaction | yes'm | 08:39 |
| @tavisto | if you don't mind, I'm running into an install obstacle and want to make sure I'm not insane | 08:40 |
| @preaction | go ahead | 08:40 |
| @tavisto | I created a webgui user on my mac per the instructions and did so thru accounts as recommended. However, whenever I try to turn on modproxy it tells me that I am not logged in as admin and I cannot start or stop services on ports 1-1024 | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | I've tried this both as my admin account and as the new webgui admin account I created | 08:41 |
| @preaction | are you running the wreconsole as root? | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | well just as my tavisto admin account I assume since I'm just in term | 08:42 |
| @preaction | you need to be root to start the modproxy, so you need to do "sudo wreconsole.pl" | 08:42 |
| @tavisto | I saw the note about sudo but it does say in the instructions "If you are not an administrator on this machine you should start the WRE console with sudo like this: | 08:43 |
| @tavisto | to me, that's confusing because my account is an administrator on the box | 08:43 |
| @tavisto | :) | 08:44 |
| @preaction | "root" or "superuser" and "Administrator" are two different things | 08:44 |
| @preaction | but Administrator can mean root to some people | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | yep, I think that might be a good thing to spell out better in the instructions. I'll note it | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | sweet dude, that's the kinda stuff that n00bs like me wouldn't know offhand | 08:46 |
| @tavisto | I'll be the first to admin that I am lost in the mac/linux term stuff | 08:47 |
| @tavisto | er admit | 08:47 |
| @tavisto | :) | 08:47 |
| @tavisto | thanks for teaching me a little something tonight | 08:47 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: ekennedy * r11270 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed Bug #10524 - Reverted 7.7 API call to get('lastUpdated') on a WebGUI::User object in WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm to 7.6 equivalent | 09:08 |
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| CIA-23 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd79e7a2 / wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl : Update copyright date in wreconsole. - http://bit.ly/17ZWtQ | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, you rock! | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I see a subscribe link! | 00:24 |
| @preaction | yay! | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's nice to be able to subscribe to a ticket through the helpdesk, or as a separate page | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how's your hackery, preaction? | 00:26 |
| @preaction | going well as usual | 00:26 |
| @preaction | yourselves? | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | thinking more about that JSON collateral | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a very nice solution | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but the trickledown effect is big | 00:27 |
| @preaction | eh, i don't like how its interface works | 00:27 |
| @preaction | it should be Crud or something | 00:28 |
| @preaction | but again, still hate the related links thing | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so what do we need to do to put you into a shiny, new 2009 JSON Collateral? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of interface do you want | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | manual | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | automatic? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | 4 on the floor? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | what if there was a way to register collateral somehow, and have it build appropriate accessors for me? instead of having to use $self->setCollateral( 'collateralName', 'key', 'etc', 'whatever', 'yesimsure', $properties); | 00:31 |
| @preaction | so like $self->registerCollateral( "name" => { property => 'property name', key => 'keyfield' } ); | 00:31 |
| @preaction | then $self->set"name"( properties ); | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and $self->get"name"( properties ); | 00:32 |
| @preaction | right | 00:32 |
| @preaction | so the old API can still exist, but it would be called by these dynamic methods | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and delete"name", move"name"down, move"name"up | 00:33 |
| @preaction | then i could override these methods to do more with the collateral if I wanted (but that might be more difficult) | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | in essence, though, we could use the current crufty API, build the method generator on top of it later with tests, then refactor the old code to use the new API as we have time | 00:35 |
| @preaction | right | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but first, I have to abstract out the latest JSON Collateral API, retrofit it to work as the first top level Aspect (since it's used by more than Asset, build tests) | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and then I can retrofit the Calendar to use it | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and to get it working with Assets, I need Asset.pm to support the same "serialize" option that Crud does | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so that JSON serialization happens transparently behind the scenes | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 2.5 days for the Aspect and the Asset work. | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | with tests | 00:39 |
| * perlDreamer is starting to sound like a broken record... | 00:40 | |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks for the chat, preaction. | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll put the API extension in as a TODO. | 00:46 |
| @preaction | thanks, that'll make it more useful to me | 00:48 |
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| CIA-23 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r8370e24 / (lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Test.pm): create backup when resetting a site as part of the test command - http://bit.ly/uhT9i | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's up, guys? | 01:18 |
| @preaction | not much girlfriend, sup wit joo? | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't check on my favorite website | 01:19 |
| @preaction | fark.com? | 01:20 |
| @preaction | it works fine for me | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's time to rename the Syndicated Content asset: http://search.cpan.org/~davecross/Perlanet-0.10/lib/Perlanet.pm | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll call it the Planet Asset | 01:33 |
| @preaction | IT'S SOOO PRETTY | 01:35 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.org! | 01:35 |
| @preaction | aww. well, it was, for a second or two | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I missed it! | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's back up, kind of | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ooh, another nasty calendar bug | 01:47 |
| @Haarg | the page titles on webgui.org seem to be continually getting worse | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you should see the bug reports | 01:52 |
| @Haarg | the page titles are now around 350 characters long | 01:53 |
| @Haarg | isn't there meta tags for that kind of crap? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's the latest SEO rage? | 02:01 |
| @Haarg | that's my assumption | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, I can't close bugs | 02:02 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11271 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.27-7.6.28.pl): Fix old calendars with bad icalIntervals. | 02:09 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11272 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.7.10-7.7.11.pl): Fix old calendars with bad icalIntervals. | 02:09 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 16:46 |
| +bartjol | mornig | 16:51 |
| LTR_bob | hi | 16:53 |
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| SquOnk | BTW, updated 7.6.27 Debian packages from my repository | 17:39 |
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| topsub | is there a way with a sql report to count to 4 then inject something in the code? | 18:47 |
| topsub | i might have to use the template expr? | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | limit 4? | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | but that's random | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | but you can sort first | 18:49 |
| +bartjol | but it will request for all data | 18:49 |
| +bartjol | so not a very low load option | 18:49 |
| topsub | not limit 4 | 18:51 |
| topsub | i need to wrap 4 elements in a div | 18:51 |
| topsub | then make a new div | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, that's a templating question, not really a SQL Report question | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you need that, you're doing H:::T::E or Template::Toolkit | 18:52 |
| +bartjol | ah | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure if HTML::Template::Expr would help you with that | 18:53 |
| topsub | hmm.. | 18:54 |
| @Haarg | although it may help in combination with sql | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | add a row counter to the SQL, then do modulo arithmetic | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | for that fact, couldn't you do the modulo arithmetic in SQL, and then still use H::T? | 18:55 |
| topsub | i've never used M::A.. i will need to look that one up | 18:56 |
| topsub | haha | 18:56 |
| topsub | if so thats awesome.. Trying to dothis slideshow were i need to group 4 rows together | 18:57 |
| topsub | if that makes sence | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, instead of odd/even, you want a,b,c,d | 19:14 |
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| dionak | hi all | 19:25 |
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| dionak | we often get asked for a feature we're calling 'brochure download'. a user fills out a form and receives a download in return. we've previously implemented this in a data form with javascript to redirect. i think this would be a great feature for the community but it needs to be easier to configure. | 19:27 |
| dionak | any ideas on how to do this without altering the data form asset or creating a workflow for each download? | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | is the download related to the data entered? | 19:29 |
| dionak | only such that the data is required to get the download | 19:30 |
| dionak | it's used for lead generation for a web site | 19:30 |
| dionak | for instance, it might be a whitepaper download | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the thank you page in the dataform is templatable, instead of a redirect, how about using an AssetProxy macro instead of the javascript redirect? | 19:31 |
| dionak | typically, the download is a pdf. the redirect makes the download friendly to IE so the user doesn't leave the site to view the PDF. | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so it'd be easier if you could add a file to the dataform and serve the file to the user if they fill out the form successfully | 19:34 |
| dionak | yes, that would be optimal. | 19:34 |
| dionak | it would make it easy for clients to manage too | 19:34 |
| dionak | would that be acceptable general behavior though? if an attachment exists, redirect upon form submission? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. But if you want to RFE it in, I'd add that level of detail to the RFE | 19:37 |
| dionak | ok, thanks perlDreamer | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, dionak, if you implement that, you're also quite close to WebGUI::Asset::Sku::DownloadableFile | 19:41 |
| dionak | that would require checkout, correct? | 19:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's not as close as I think | 19:49 |
| dionak | it's closer than anything else... | 19:49 |
| dionak | i submitted an RFE. We'll see what the feedback is | 19:50 |
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| +BartJol | run colin run! | 20:43 |
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| +BartJol | mmm | 22:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I lied | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I went to the gym | 22:41 |
| @preaction | YOU LIAR | 22:41 |
| @Haarg | so i did a few tests with Locale::Maketext | 22:42 |
| @Haarg | and it looks faster than our i18n in most cases | 22:42 |
| @preaction | that's a good thing indeed | 22:43 |
| @Haarg | still doesn't solve the problem with context though :/ | 22:43 |
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| @preaction | we can't add a #i18n:context comment and have those read into the translation tool? | 22:44 |
| @preaction | i mean, how are you going to get all the keys that need translating? | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | there are scripts that do that for you | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and, while I love and respect our translators very much, no other translation projects have context tags | 22:45 |
| @preaction | so modify that script to also read a #i18n:context comment after/before the usage | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | still, I hate to make their job harder than it already is | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | what if there's two i18n calls on the same line? | 22:45 |
| @preaction | two #i18n:context comments | 22:45 |
| @preaction | no that wouldn't work. what if the same i18n string is used twice? what is it's context? is all the context combined? | 22:46 |
| @preaction | combined, yes | 22:46 |
| @preaction | that would work | 22:47 |
| +BartJol | is it possible to put a seperation sign in between somehow? | 22:47 |
| @preaction | though it is kinda arrogant to think that all languages work like English where any occurance of "asset" can just be replaced | 22:47 |
| +BartJol | agreed | 22:47 |
| @preaction | given this line: my $string = $i18n->get('hello') . $i18n->get('world') | 22:48 |
| @preaction | the next line would be: #i18n:context hello #i18n:context world | 22:48 |
| @preaction | or could be two seperate lines, each with one #i18n:context | 22:48 |
| @preaction | the idea being you push the $i18n calls onto a stack, and then shift them off when you get a context | 22:49 |
| +BartJol | well, if that is possble | 22:51 |
| +BartJol | oh btw, I send Sarah back | 22:51 |
| @preaction | hopefully not in one piece | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | did she cause problems? | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | well, one hangover | 22:52 |
| @preaction | god, did she have any fun at all? only ONE hangover? | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | and she is in 1 piece | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | well, yesterday she wasn't really fresh | 22:52 |
| +BartJol | she stayed only 1 day in Delft | 22:53 |
| +BartJol | but since WebGUI is the only system With context, I would like to keep it that way | 22:54 |
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| topsub | if i wanted to write an .htaccess file for webgui were would i put it? | 01:09 |
| @preaction | topsub: what do you intend on accomplishing with an htaccess file? | 01:11 |
| topsub | to write soemthing like this /portfolio/detail?p=clientname to /portfolio/detail/clientname | 01:12 |
| topsub | or am i not thinking well enough, can i do that without one | 01:13 |
| @preaction | put it in the virtualhost file | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | RewriteRule | 01:14 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11273 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/PerformanceProfiler.pm): | 01:53 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Rework WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler to only calculate and show output | 01:53 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: to a certain IP address. | 01:53 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11274 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix invalid CSS in the thingy. | 02:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, is someone going to leave every time I make a commit? | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, patspam | 02:28 |
| +patspam | morning perlDreamer! | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what's happening down your way? | 02:29 |
| +patspam | nothing too interesting, but I am going to try to fix that survey bug today | 02:30 |
| +patspam | I need some advice on it though | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | well, both preaction and Haarg left, so... | 02:30 |
| +patspam | lucky you're still here then :) | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | so the problem is that changes in the order of the survey change the indexes, which will prevent you from finding older survey results | 02:31 |
| +patspam | yes, or looking at it more generally | 02:31 |
| +patspam | a recorded survey response it dependent on the survey configuration at the time the response was completed | 02:32 |
| +patspam | it's not just a problem of ids | 02:32 |
| +patspam | if you go in and change the Text of a question, to change its meaning, the response is no longer valid | 02:33 |
| +patspam | or if you change a branching rule, the old response may no longer be "possible" | 02:33 |
| +patspam | so, responses either need to store the entire state of the survey along with them, or something that allows you to retrieve the state, such as a revisionId | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and what happens to responses that go with older versions/states of the survey? | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, that's probably a side question | 02:36 |
| +patspam | If we did go with the revisionId strategy, the code that starts a new user response would need to check whether there have been any changes to the survey since the last revision was created, and if so, create a new revisionId | 02:37 |
| +patspam | but that feels a little odd | 02:37 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11275 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport thingy CSS fix. | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | could it just use the revisionId of the survey itself? | 02:38 |
| +patspam | yeah, that's the revisionId I'm talking about | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | then it doesn't need to create one, it just has to fetch the one from its parent | 02:39 |
| +patspam | oh maybe! if we turn things around.. let me explain my thinking | 02:39 |
| +patspam | whatever Survey revision it uses needs to be immutable from that moment onwards | 02:40 |
| +patspam | otherwise the response will become invalid | 02:40 |
| +patspam | for that reason I was thinking it should always uses the HEAD-1 revision (creating a new HEAD revision where necessary to ensure that it is using a slightly old revision) | 02:41 |
| +patspam | at the time the new revision is created, that revision would be identical to the HEAD-1 revision, but only the HEAD revision would change when the admin changed the Survey configuration | 02:41 |
| +patspam | the point being here that changes to survey configuration are not currently versioned on a per-edit basis | 02:42 |
| +patspam | but turning things around, to match your suggestion.. | 02:42 |
| +patspam | when the survey configuration is edited, e.g. the action that is currently not versioned, we should check if any responses have been started for the current revision, and if so, create a new revision for the new edits | 02:43 |
| +patspam | that way, it's the Edit operation that triggers the creation of the new revision, rather than the "start survey" operation, which is more what you would expect | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's a nice, low bandwidth event, too | 02:44 |
| +patspam | yeah, double-awesome | 02:44 |
| +perlDreamer | what would happen if we had an admin making a series of changes to the survey, and someone starts taking the survey in the middle of the edits? | 02:45 |
| +patspam | as soon as they started the survey, the next edit would trigger a new revision | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | would some of their responses be stuck in an old revision? | 02:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no, because responses are not stored line-wise in a db, it's a json data structure | 02:46 |
| +patspam | yep, and they will now be bound to a revisionId | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | whups, getting called for dinner. be back in 30 or so. | 02:47 |
| +patspam | thanks colin, you rock | 02:47 |
| +patspam | I'll keep writing and you can post back when you return :) | 02:47 |
| topsub | hey patspam, hows it going | 02:54 |
| +patspam | hey topsub! | 02:54 |
| +patspam | freezing cold over here | 02:54 |
| topsub | haha, its like 85 ish here, just got back from a jog.. haha | 02:54 |
| +patspam | dang.. I'm looking forward to the WUC for some warm weather | 02:54 |
| topsub | haha, I'm been working on my new portfolio all day.. | 02:55 |
| +patspam | awesome, do you have a link? | 02:55 |
| topsub | its local at the moment, can IM u the ip and domain name to use tho | 02:56 |
| topsub | its better design and putting it in WebGUI | 02:56 |
| +patspam | I'd love to see it when it's ready | 02:57 |
| topsub | sure i let ya know.. i'm prob 75% done | 02:57 |
| topsub | doing a lot of stuff with thingy and sql reports | 02:58 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: you back? | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but only for a bit | 04:26 |
| +patspam | this is tricky.. | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the revisionId? | 04:27 |
| +patspam | you have an instantiated Survey wobject | 04:27 |
| +patspam | for the latest revision | 04:27 |
| +patspam | and then at the point of retrieving the response data, you realise that you want to work with an older reivision | 04:27 |
| +patspam | so what do you do? replace the instantiated Survey wobject out from underneath itself to be the older revision version? | 04:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't. You have to do a redirect with the revisionDate url param set | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's the content handler (Content/Asset) that has to have its object changed | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can't reach up inside it to change things | 04:29 |
| +patspam | hmm can you think of another wobject that does this that i can look at? | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure there is one | 04:30 |
| +patspam | so what do you mean by do a redirect? | 04:31 |
| +patspam | a real http redirect? | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 04:31 |
| +patspam | yuck | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | redirect back to the same asset operation with the revisiondate param set | 04:32 |
| +patspam | what if the operation is not being triggered by code instead of a web request? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | like a workflow activity? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be easier, since it can alter what it has itself | 04:33 |
| +patspam | yeah, or just the reporting machinery | 04:33 |
| +patspam | taking a step back, why do i need to care about Content/Asset? | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'm thinking worst case scenario | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if the old version of the asset has to generate and return web content, then it has to talk with Content/Asset | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're only accessing data through it, then you can probably just make a local copy of the object (with the old version), mine it for results, then use the original object to present it. | 04:36 |
| +patspam | yeah i think that might be a good strategy | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta scoot again | 04:36 |
| +patspam | ok, thanks for your help again | 04:36 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: oooooh it works! | 05:13 |
| +patspam | well so far | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | my hand hurts | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | baseballs are much harder on hands then keyboards | 05:13 |
| +patspam | heh, my fingers hurt too, from the cold | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | are you working outside? | 05:14 |
| +patspam | because the initial takeSurvey page is a shell than then does ajax calls for the questions, it was easy to add in the revision url param to those ajax calls | 05:14 |
| +patspam | it feels like it! my house is an ice-box | 05:14 |
| +patspam | man sometimes webgui is just awesome | 05:17 |
| +patspam | I make one educated change to Survey and all of a sudden we have revision-aware responses | 05:18 |
| +perlDreamer | can you accumulate data from old revisions? or is that required? | 05:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that's probably pretty dicey | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | like you were saying earlier | 05:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't know if the question was moved, or completely rewritten | 05:20 |
| +patspam | accumulate? | 05:21 |
| +perlDreamer | well, say that I add a new section with 1 question at the end | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't want to invalidate all my old data, because in this 1 case, it's actually good | 05:22 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no way for the Survey to know that | 05:22 |
| +patspam | yeah, have to play it safe | 05:22 |
| +patspam | your old responses will still be valid | 05:22 |
| +patspam | just bound to the old survey structure | 05:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and the user can get to those old responses? | 05:23 |
| +patspam | yep, absolutely | 05:23 |
| +patspam | the question is just what to do about the current reporting functions | 05:23 |
| +patspam | because the data is now grouped by revisions | 05:23 |
| +patspam | I think there should be one reporting option that tries to put all responses into the table table, with gaps for missing/changed columns in some responses | 05:25 |
| +patspam | it's up to the user to decide whether responses from different revisions can be combined in a "valid" way | 05:26 |
| +patspam | and it should also be possible to just report on responses for a given revision, for when you really do have incompatible data | 05:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:27 |
| +patspam | bewdy, now i just need to write some tests to convince myself that this fix is good | 05:30 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11276 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ (SurveyJSON.t Test.t): Made Survey tests a little less dependent on multiple choice bundle defaults | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11277 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed #10520 - Survey responses get confused if survey structure modified | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: Survey responses are now revision-aware. | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: The survey structure gets revisioned automatically as necessary when changes | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: are made on the Edit Survey screen (as necessary ~~ a response exists | 09:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: for the current revision) | 09:38 |
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| LTR_bob | Hi guys (and gals) | 17:23 |
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| LTR_bob | Is there a way to use the Navigation asset with the Shop shelfs/products? | 17:24 |
| topsub | I wouldnt' see why not, just point the nav object to the folder were the products are? | 17:25 |
| LTR_bob | that is what I was thinking, but it do not work for me; did you actually do this at some time? | 17:25 |
| @preaction | make sure they're not hidden from navigation in their properties | 17:26 |
| LTR_bob | tnx guys, I'll give it a go! | 17:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:34 |
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| topsub | morning perlDreamer | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | what's shaking, topsub? | 19:56 |
| topsub | nothing finishing up my site mostly | 19:57 |
| topsub | bout to headout to a meeting shortly to try and sell a webgui site.. haha | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome, good luck! | 20:00 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11278 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm: Fix mime type detection for performance indicators. | 20:38 |
| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11279 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Content/Asset.pm: Backporting performance indicator fix. | 20:38 |
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| CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11280 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm: Better comment for why ads are being reprocessed. | 21:23 |
| ckotil | webgui sites practically sell themselves | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | Not if you're me, ckotil. I'm the world's worst salesman. | 22:05 |
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| mech422 | Hi all | 22:06 |
| ckotil | heh | 22:07 |
| ckotil | SDuensin: in my few experiences when the customer sees that they can edit the site without me. its a done deal | 22:08 |
| SDuensin | Yea, but you still need to get in front of that customer! | 22:08 |
| ckotil | then everything else webgui has to offer is just icing on the cake. lots and lots of icing | 22:08 |
| ckotil | yeah, mine have been friends, friends of friends and aquaintences | 22:09 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: lead generation ? You have a small shop ? | 22:09 |
| ckotil | would still like to get some random businesses signed up | 22:09 |
| SDuensin | You're currently talking to my entire shop. | 22:09 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: LOL - gee - we're twice as big as you :-P (Me and Donna) | 22:09 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 22:10 |
| mech422 | We've been doing CMS stuff for 5-10 years now... | 22:10 |
| mech422 | One of the best ways to get leads is partner with a good advertising or marketing firm in the area | 22:10 |
| mech422 | preferrably one bigger then you with a full time sales staff :-) | 22:10 |
| mech422 | Also, you can find RFP's on the web - google can be a god send there | 22:11 |
| * SDuensin doesn't know how to do that, but it's good advice. | 22:11 | |
| mech422 | Just hit up the yellow pages or go to a local networking event... | 22:11 |
| ckotil | what about cold calls? | 22:11 |
| mech422 | I personally have _never_ gotten _anything_ off a cold call... | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 22:12 |
| mech422 | Donna on the other hand seems to do ok with them | 22:12 |
| mech422 | but she's much more 'peopley' then me | 22:12 |
| SDuensin | I'm stuck in the evil loop - I'm too busy to sell things, but nothing I'm doing makes enough to hire a salesperson. | 22:13 |
| mech422 | and don't forget other agencies - like pb.... lots of times you can sub-contract for other web shops | 22:13 |
| @preaction | yeah, we do that quite a bit actually | 22:14 |
| @preaction | (sub-contract, that is) | 22:14 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: do you have a 'good' website ? | 22:14 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: a lot of times, the cobblers kids have no shoes (like our website sucks .. gotta get the stupid redesign up) | 22:15 |
| SDuensin | Mine is (slowly) getting better. It has a WebGUI section now! | 22:15 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: Ahh - good - stuff lots of google fodder in it. Make sure you have a good 'brochureware' section for non-tech and biz. people to read... | 22:16 |
| mech422 | in short - make sure you do all the things you'd tell a client to do :-P | 22:16 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 22:16 |
| mech422 | It sucks - I _hate_ that crap... but it really does have to be done | 22:17 |
| SDuensin | http://www.jaegertech.net/ <-- Look under "Services" | 22:18 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: also, if you have a niche you want to focus on - try hosting a wG for a 'force' in that market free of charge (like a trade organizations site) | 22:18 |
| mech422 | SDuensin: one good marquee customer can equal a lot of leads | 22:18 |
| SDuensin | Yea, gonna try that approach with another of my products Thursday night. :-D | 22:19 |
| * SDuensin is currently a four-trick pony. | 22:19 | |
| mech422 | LOL - thats 3 more tricks then me :-) | 22:19 |
| mech422 | btw - its been said you get better responses by talking about 'benefits' then 'features'.. | 22:20 |
| mech422 | for instance.. | 22:20 |
| mech422 | the ability to import and create documents and multimedia materia | 22:20 |
| mech422 | could be something like: | 22:20 |
| SDuensin | Yea. People can't work out how "features" fit into their organization. | 22:21 |
| mech422 | save time and money by uploading documents and multimedia materials directly to the website! No more waiting on hte webmaster, etc etc | 22:21 |
| SDuensin | My current WebGUI pages are "had to get something online" pages. | 22:21 |
| mech422 | yeah - they are actually better then ours :-) | 22:21 |
| ckotil | plaiblack.com is slow | 22:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, we're working on it | 22:26 |
| ckotil | k | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, that has nothing to do with the slowness! | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Must be all that Perl. :-P | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | d'oh | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I'm trying a new liquid cooling technique | 22:29 |
| ckotil | im getting some seg faults after an upgrade :/ | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Molasses has a higher thermal capacity than water | 22:29 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: threw teh computer in the pool ? | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, check for missing modules | 22:30 |
| ckotil | testEnvironment passes | 22:30 |
| ckotil | im going to perform a fresh upgrade. its on the dev hsot anway | 22:30 |
| ckotil | but i want this to go smooth, bc i have a scheduled maintenance tonight at 11pm to upgrade the production | 22:31 |
| SDuensin | This is rapidly turning into a "long day". | 22:38 |
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| ckotil | at 7.5.40 again, and not seeing any seg faults to httpds child processes. | 23:05 |
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| @preaction | why does mysql have three different words to change a column in an ALTER TABLE? Change, Modify, and Alter | 23:31 |
| ckotil | so you have to refer back to their website and manual all the time. | 23:32 |
| ckotil | man, ive got this one problematic user up at the NOC who is really a thorn in my side. | 23:34 |
| ckotil | 'my tables wont resize', 'font is formatted strangely', 'colors are wrong' bleh bleh bleh | 23:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | if I see another one of those flash based windows mobile ads I'm going to puke! | 01:12 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11281 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 04:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Performance improvements with getting the lists of packages when there | 04:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: are lots of assets. | 04:09 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11282 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting asset package performance improvements. | 04:09 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11283 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm t/Asset/AssetPackage.t): Make the new getPackageList functionally equivalent to the old one. | 04:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm: Update POD for getPackageList | 04:40 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 05:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Encapsulate a method to get the list of content prototypes. | 05:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Performance improvements for the list retrieval. | 05:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11287 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting content profile improvements. | 05:22 |
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| elnino | is there a help or command line parameters for /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl? | 06:30 |
| ckotil | try --help | 06:50 |
| ckotil | that usually works for the webgui cli utils | 06:51 |
| elnino | oh. I used just a single dash. Thanks I"ll try that. | 06:52 |
| elnino | I'm getting an error: 2009/06/16 21:02:08 - WARN - mediaangels.com.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[210] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home Root cause: Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::User" at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm line 448. | 07:08 |
| elnino | It's very odd. The short cut "shows up" when admin is turned on, but when I turn off admin, the page goes blank and I get the above error. With admin on, I dont' get the error. | 07:09 |
| elnino | I've cut the asset off the page, and the page will work fine. So there is something weird about the shortcut, but I dont' know what it has to do with the WebGUI::User. | 07:10 |
| elnino | This is occuring just after a 7.6.27 upgrade from 7.5.40. | 07:10 |
| elnino | found the fix. | 07:38 |
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| elnino | ckotil - nope, --help didn't work either. I'm a bit bummed. Upgrade is done, would have been much faster if I could have passed params. oh well, maybe its in the book. | 07:57 |
| elnino | Thanks! | 07:57 |
| elnino | have a good night! | 07:57 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11288 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Small survey bug fix to Survey::persistResponseJSON | 10:40 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r11289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed a bug in Thingy where in some cases the style template was not processed after editing a Thing. | 15:43 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: martin * r11290 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Merging thingy style template processing fix from HEAD. | 15:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: Ya' big bug buster, you! | 18:03 |
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| * MrHairgrease rather busts beers | 18:06 | |
| * perlDreamer suggests drinking instead of busting beers | 18:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | but you Dutch people do what you want | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, did I ever send you a package for a SQL Report that figures out which activities go in which workflows? | 18:08 |
| SynQ | busty beers? | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | booty beers | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | boot from beers | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | beer from boots | 18:11 |
| SynQ | http://www.lesjones.com/posts/002537.shtml | 18:11 |
| SynQ | which reminds me of a certain bar in las vegas | 18:12 |
| ckotil | Im seeing httpd segfaults after upgrading to 7.6.27. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m167a5b67 | 18:12 |
| ckotil | i got a core file, but it doesnt seem to indicate where the problem is | 18:13 |
| elnino | perlDreamer. no. | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | hm. I was sure I made something like that at one point | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, what OS are you using? | 18:14 |
| ckotil | rhel5 | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | WRE? | 18:14 |
| ckotil | sadly no | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a recent post on the forums about ImageMagick problems on RHEL/CentOs | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's worth a read | 18:15 |
| ckotil | but this probelm only appears after upgrading to 7.6.27 (maybe earlier) | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be when IM became required vs optional | 18:15 |
| ckotil | 7.6.27? | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | in the 7.5 series, I think | 18:15 |
| ckotil | oh. im running 7.5.32 without a problem | 18:15 |
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| ckotil | 7.5.40 seems to be OK too. but then there's another bug in that release that i have to avoid w.r.t synopsis missing from search results. | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | because you backported it by hand? | 18:16 |
| ckotil | no | 18:16 |
| ckotil | i run whatever i get from pb | 18:17 |
| elnino | perlDreamer THANK YOU for http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10525 you made the upgrade process to 7.6.27 much shorter. | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome. :) | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | although I added that bug in the first place :/ | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, what's the bug in the upgrade containing that bug fix? | 18:19 |
| ckotil | the synopsis bug? | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, why do you have to avoid it? | 18:20 |
| ckotil | bc search results become worthless. my users would be pissed | 18:20 |
| ckotil | i think it was fixed in 7.6.25 | 18:20 |
| ckotil | the synopsis data is missing from search results. | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand, you have to upgrade to a version that has the fix for that bug | 18:21 |
| ckotil | well, the bug doesnt exist in 7.5.32 | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | right, you want to skip over it | 18:21 |
| ckotil | im upgrading to get ldaps, and general bug fixes | 18:21 |
| ckotil | yup | 18:21 |
| ckotil | i attempted an upgrade last night on the production just to see if the core dumping would carry over to the production server, and it did. and i expected it too since its the same hardware and software | 18:24 |
| ckotil | so i backed out of that. | 18:24 |
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| ckotil | running httpd in single process mode, and i cant get it to segfault | 18:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11291 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Pasting from the AdminBar in the AssetManager should leave you in the manager. | 18:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11292 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Backporting asset manager paste fix. | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a nice bug catch, daviddelikat | 19:02 |
| daviddelikat | what caused it | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | asset data is spread across multiple tables | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | asset, assetData and then whatever specific tables are required for that asset. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | each table is processed separately | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the asset and assetData tables are done first | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think | 19:04 |
| daviddelikat | and no transactions | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | there is transactional support for those operations | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but the WRE does not ship with transactional support for MySQL by default | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's useless | 19:04 |
| daviddelikat | I'll have to be sure to test your bug fix... :) | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll probably write a test script to test my bug fix ;) | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but feel free to double check | 19:06 |
| daviddelikat | I'll be working in helpdesk for a while.. | 19:06 |
| daviddelikat | and my memory for this sort of thing fluctuates | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | post all the bugs to the bug board | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's not a bug, we'll close it | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | or move to an RFE | 19:09 |
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| ckotil | what mod_perl version is required for the latest stable build? | 20:33 |
| ckotil | bah, im running the latest anyway. | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too ckotil | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | my dev box is FC10 | 20:39 |
| Nuxli | has anyone run Webgui on Ubuntu 8.04? are there any complications? anything to watch out for? | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Nuxli, best thing to do is check the forums for that kind of info | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in general, however, wG runs anywhere on linux | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, the wiki is another good place to look for OS specific issues | 20:41 |
| Nuxli | Thanks perlDreamer, I'll check the forums | 20:43 |
| SDuensin | Nuxli - That's the config I run on. Works great! | 20:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe we need a WebGUI matrix, where people can say which versions of WebGUI they use on which operating systems | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like a DataTable kind of application | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | matrix is a bad word, since we use that for another application | 20:46 |
| Nuxli | Thanks SDuensin. We currently run it on Fedore Core 6, which we built back in March of 2007.... FC6 is long past its "EOL" date. Plus we are trying to get most linux apps over to Ubuntu server now. | 20:46 |
| Nuxli | BTW, off topic, but IRC via the Pidgin IM app works very well, if anyone cares! | 20:47 |
| @preaction | really? everyone i talk to say it's not so good. | 20:48 |
| @preaction | I use Xchat Aqua | 20:48 |
| @preaction | (but then, I also want to improve it to be more OS X-like) | 20:48 |
| SDuensin | preaction - Me too. :-) Even though it's not been updated in a gazillion years. | 20:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'd like to change that situation. there's a bunch of features i want (like automatic pastebin support if you do 5+ lines in less than .75 seconds or so) | 20:49 |
| @preaction | but then, considering the massive amount of time i simply do not have... | 20:49 |
| SDuensin | I hear that. | 20:49 |
| SDuensin | I looked at some other clients for the Mac. Not bad. I didn't like the way they logged though. | 20:50 |
| Nuxli | well, for just the little support chatting I do within IRC for a couple apps, I think it works fine. I just got sick of MIRC bugging me to register. | 20:50 |
| @preaction | i hate how colloquy notifies me of things. it treats /notice like /msg, when /notice has a specific rais?n d'etre | 20:51 |
| @preaction | /notice is for a message from someone where no reply is required/desired | 20:52 |
| @preaction | so a bot should //notice you, (or another bot, which then will not reply, because it was a //notice and not a /msg) | 20:52 |
| @preaction | so, in colloquy, i get a bunch of /notice messages i must act on, even though every other IRC client just puts them in one window for me to look at then forget about | 20:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11293 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Do not display a select all button in the AssetManager unless there's more than 1 asset. | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I've wanted to fix that for a long time | 21:09 |
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| ckotil | enabled more verbos logging (debug) and it hasnt dumped core in a while :/ | 21:37 |
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| @steveo_aa | perlDreamer will like this last patch I posted. | 22:03 |
| @steveo_aa | It includes testing against the bugfix. | 22:04 |
| @steveo_aa | The bug was detected due to building a test. :-) | 22:04 |
| SDuensin | Whoo hoo! My Shop Guide is here! | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa++ | 22:15 |
| * perlDreamer will give you some karma after I return from lunch. | 22:15 | |
| @steveo_aa | I love Caramel. Cool. | 22:16 |
| * steveo_aa will work for treats. | 22:16 | |
| SDuensin | Oh yea? Muhahahaha! | 22:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, bonus points can be awarded for writing tests for the 10542 bug as well | 23:12 |
| @steveo_aa | acknowledged | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | unless you'd prefer Caramel | 23:25 |
| ckotil | Caramel doesnt raid the priority on RFEs ;) | 23:41 |
| ckotil | s/raid/raise | 23:41 |
| @steveo_aa | If I want to raise the priority, I do it myself. | 23:41 |
| @steveo_aa | Fix it, I mean. | 23:41 |
| @steveo_aa | But caramel is so yummy. | 23:42 |
| ckotil | yeah, you perl guru's can do that. | 23:42 |
| @steveo_aa | Anyone can do it. Just complete the task and provide the tools for someone like Colin to just verify and install. | 23:43 |
| @steveo_aa | I could install them myself, but I like the peer review. | 23:43 |
| @steveo_aa | And the caramel. | 23:47 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11294 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: Add missing lastUpdated attributes for i18n tags in WebGUI. | 00:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11295 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: more missing lastUpdated tags. | 00:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11296 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: Backporting missing i18n fixes. | 00:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: Update POD for the AdminConsole | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa, are you a caramel afficianado, or are Brach's and Werthers okay? | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | my boys can't eat caramel due to their braces, so I'm out of the loop | 01:25 |
| elnino | werthers hands down. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need to need to do an informal taste testing during the WUC | 01:36 |
| elnino | I won't be there. =( | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | no? | 01:37 |
| elnino | not with #2 coming in july | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | well then, in the fine tradition of new WebGUI parents (like SynQ), we'll have to see some baby pictures when the time is right | 01:37 |
| elnino | I sent a photo of Anna with the webgui sticker to traviso, I'm waiting for that photo to be used in some advertisement. | 01:39 |
| elnino | it's kinda like that old abe lincoln ad - the one he's pointing at you. | 01:39 |
| elnino | it's a very cute photo I might add. | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | of course :) | 01:39 |
| elnino | But yes, I will need to post some photos of #2 somewhere. I need a website first. | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Is Anna excited about having a sister? | 01:40 |
| elnino | oh we don't know what #2 is. S/he didn't devoldge that info to us. | 01:41 |
| elnino | but she will be a very good big sister. She is my little helper. | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | must have been a private variabe | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | variable | 01:44 |
| elnino | I suppose so. =) | 01:48 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 01:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | I should be back in an hour or so | 01:54 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r11298 /translations/ (185 files in 3 dirs): Update from translation server | 02:53 |
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| +patspam | preaction: ping pong | 06:55 |
| @preaction | SYN ACK ACK | 06:56 |
| +patspam | oh hi! | 07:10 |
| +patspam | question.. | 07:10 |
| +patspam | currently I upgrade my custom sites in a pretty ad-hoc manner | 07:10 |
| +patspam | upgrade as in, custom upgrades | 07:11 |
| +patspam | I'm thinking about doing something similar to the webgui core upgrade process to apply my upgrades | 07:11 |
| +patspam | I assume you guys do something similar for your sites that have custom codebases? | 07:12 |
| @preaction | we want to make a more granulated upgrade process, with a "7.X.X.sql" and "7.X.X.wgpkg" and "7.x.x.pl" | 07:12 |
| @preaction | no, we just make utility scripts to install stuff | 07:12 |
| @preaction | or we use the Installable aspect | 07:12 |
| @preaction | or Crud has its own install/update schema routine | 07:13 |
| @preaction | we're trying to improve the procedure by making it as automatic as possible, so using definitions and adding tables / updating table schemas automatically | 07:13 |
| +patspam | ok, so you don't keep track of custom codebase version numbers and apply custom upgrades sequentially | 07:14 |
| +patspam | that's probably more machinery than i need anyway | 07:14 |
| @preaction | that's what i figure. no need to do that much work | 07:15 |
| +patspam | yeah, currently I don't have more than one site running off the same custom code, so no need for it | 07:15 |
| +patspam | but if I had a whole bunch of sites running off a similar custom codebase, I think I might want that | 07:16 |
| @preaction | there's a way to do it with the Installable aspect | 07:16 |
| +patspam | is that just for wobjects though? | 07:16 |
| @preaction | if you keep track of the previously installed version in a file or something | 07:16 |
| @preaction | assets, yes | 07:17 |
| @preaction | but the same technique could be applied to other things | 07:17 |
| +patspam | I'll def check it out, but yeah I have other things like flux rules | 07:17 |
| @preaction | i wrote a blog post about how to do it on PB's staff blog | 07:17 |
| @preaction | let me dig it up quick | 07:17 |
| +patspam | awesome, I'll re-read it! | 07:17 |
| +patspam | or if it was posted in the last month, read it for the first time (haven't checked my feeds for a while) | 07:18 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/pr/staff/blog/installclass.pl---how-to-create-install-scripts-for-your-webgui-plugins#lPZHo7xJFBkBXdQa6Y28_g <- nah, it's a little bit old | 07:18 |
| +patspam | ta | 07:18 |
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| carogray1 | hmm | 13:36 |
| carogray1 | back again.. | 13:36 |
| carogray1 | hello hello hello | 13:36 |
| carogray1 | would there be any reason/explanation for the ' drag' button on the articles and files on a page when you have 'admin on' or 'edit on' to disappear? | 13:37 |
| carogray1 | I have checked to make sure there are no other version tags on this page - nothing is 'locked' | 13:38 |
| carogray1 | Other pages have the drag buttons on their articles... | 13:38 |
| carogray1 | can't figure out what's funny about this page. | 13:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | and that goes for all of you, too! | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what goes for all of us too? | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's the first day of school | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and my kids are whiny, disrespectful and rude | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | So I informed them that if they're going to act that way over the summer | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that there are tons of house chores that need to be done | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | starting with cleaning the cat litter box | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, i'm working with image magick, so whining is imminent | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not gonna clean your litter box you though | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that's okay, you can do the dishes instead if you wish | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | no thanks, I have enough of my own | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | any ideas yet when wg8 dev will commence and the scm will be switched to git | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | WUC-ish timeframe, I believe | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if I'm cloning the wg git repo now | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and build stuff against it | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | it will work fine | 18:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11299 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: Add missing commas to patch I committed yesterday | 18:31 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11300 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm: Backporting i18n syntax fix. | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's good to know | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | the repo that is on github is the repo we will be using | 18:31 |
| @Haarg | it will basically just be a matter of turning off svn | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's what i wanted to know | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | if the repo would staty same | 18:32 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, i did some brief benchmarking of gettext | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | or that another was created when wg8 takes off | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! What were the results? | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks for the info | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | it's kind of mixed | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | if i use the recommended functions it's slower than the 'wg' style from my maketext benchmark | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | but faster than everything else | 18:33 |
| @Haarg | however, if i use the xs functions directly, it's faster than everything | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but the downside of the gettext is lack of toolchain for templates and JS | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | and i tested an ugly hack that gives the recommended interface but with less layers until it hits the xs, and it matched wg | 18:34 |
| @Haarg | js is going to be a main no matter what | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:36 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11301 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/AssetManager.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): i18n a button label for Paste. | 20:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11302 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/ (Content/AssetManager.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): Backporting the the paste i18n. | 20:01 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11303 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): More proceed to page fixes for using the AdminBar in the Asset Manager. | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | http://www.suntimes.com/business/1606282,ihnatko-google-wave-060309.article | 21:16 |
| ckotil | check out the demo video | 21:17 |
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| carogray | favour please - v. quick one | 21:58 |
| @preaction | what's up | 21:58 |
| carogray | can you go to http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/evictions-court-forms and tell me if you see a link? | 21:59 |
| carogray | it is showing up on my computer - the link on the page - and no one else in the office can see it on their computers. | 21:59 |
| carogray | I am logged out, admin off and I have refreshed cache on their computers | 21:59 |
| @preaction | what link am i looking for? | 21:59 |
| @preaction | i see lots of links | 21:59 |
| carogray | I am looking specifically for: | 22:00 |
| ckotil | booklets 1 - 9 and a few more | 22:00 |
| carogray | Booklet 4A Discovery: for Tenants and Former Owners in Foreclosed Properties | 22:00 |
| ckotil | no 4a, just 4 | 22:00 |
| @preaction | no, 4A doesn't show up | 22:00 |
| carogray | they see 4 and they see 5 but no | 22:00 |
| ckotil | there's 7a | 22:00 |
| carogray | hah! I wonder why? | 22:00 |
| @preaction | my first guess would be the file permissions | 22:00 |
| carogray | nope I am not logged in | 22:01 |
| @preaction | i would check the asset's properties anyway | 22:01 |
| carogray | will do | 22:01 |
| carogray | very weird - now with admin on it's NOT showing up.. have to go, but thanks at least for being outsiders willing to check so far.... | 22:03 |
| carogray | gotta go - thanks | 22:04 |
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| ckotil | found a new link checker that is actually worth a damn. there's a cli version of it. http://validator.w3.org/docs/checklink.html | 22:37 |
| ckotil | ive been using htcheck for the longest time, but that is no where near as good as link checker. | 22:37 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11304 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add a progress bar for long running ops. First implementation is | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: with paste. Also fix bugs with redirecting from the admin bar back to a | 22:58 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: page instead of staying in the Asset Manager. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: it works then? i have to see this | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it works | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be made more lovely | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and probably really wants to be a modal dialog on top of the current page, but that's not the spec | 23:03 |
| @preaction | if we can make it a reusable system somehow that would be awesome | 23:04 |
| @preaction | well, i haven't looked, so maybe it is reusable already | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it is reusable :) | 23:04 |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you get a ProgressBar object | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and render it to get the screen | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | then you get a different PB object and call ->print on it for the IFRAME data | 23:05 |
| @preaction | very nice | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it even automatically handles incrementing the bar and formatting the output | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | please do look, because it's easier to make changes now while it's all in my head | 23:06 |
| @preaction | i'm on it | 23:06 |
| @preaction | mainly because the alumni group wants this badly (they've had some very weird problems with Paste and Edit Branch) | 23:06 |
| @preaction | or rank changes | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the patch is pretty well contained | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and edit branch is my next target for change | 23:08 |
| @preaction | 2009/06/18 15:08:11 - WARN - svn.conf - WebGUI::Content::Asset::tryAssetMethod[2 | 23:08 |
| @preaction | 14] - Couldn't call method pasteList on asset for url: root Root cause: Can't ca | 23:08 |
| @preaction | ll method "process" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar | 23:08 |
| @preaction | .pm line 136. | 23:08 |
| @preaction | woops | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i hate how OSX's terminal adds /n when it's clearly not there | 23:08 |
| @preaction | template didn't get into the commit? | 23:09 |
| @preaction | that should probably be a setting too (the template, that is) | 23:09 |
| ckotil | osx terminal adds a bunch of wierd crud | 23:09 |
| @preaction | i did a wgd reset -d, so the template should have been added | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add it | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in | 23:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess the admin console is templatable, too | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll add that after the edit branch stuff | 23:13 |
| @preaction | http://whatconsumesme.com/2009/what-im-writing/how-to-be-happy-in-business-venn-diagram/ | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I read Nat's blogs, too | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: doesn't seem to work when debug mode is on. you might want to use different mime types if you can, or $session->log->preventDebugOutput if you can't | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | we are only shipping js | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but for the general case, preventDebugOutput sounds better | 23:17 |
| @preaction | i'll turn off debugging and see if it works | 23:17 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you get the admin console with no output, or nothing at all? | 23:18 |
| @preaction | i get the Working... and then the page load stops and the redirect doesn't happen | 23:18 |
| @preaction | when i look at the <iframe id="statusFrame"> i see that it's the home page | 23:19 |
| @preaction | perhaps that's where the URL is loading for some reason? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | make sure all your <script> tags have type="text/javascript" | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | are you pasting from the asset manager, or from the page? | 23:20 |
| @preaction | from the asset manager | 23:21 |
| @preaction | pasting from the page works | 23:21 |
| @preaction | maybe the Clipboard box in the Asset Manager should disappear, since its in the Admin Bar anyway | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no, because it lets you paste more than 1 thing at a time | 23:22 |
| @preaction | ah, right | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd like to see it swap places with the package list, though, so the package list doesn't move when there's | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | something to paste | 23:23 |
| @preaction | sounds like a good idea | 23:24 |
| @preaction | but we're redesigning the manager soon, so maybe not worth the effort | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, please update and try 11306 | 23:25 |
| @preaction | also, i'm only trying the import node, which isn't very big these days | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | i've been cutting and pasting things in /home | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's still quite fast | 23:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11305 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.11/admin_progress_bar.wgpkg: Adding template for progress bar. | 23:26 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11306 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetClipboard.pm ProgressBar.pm): Make it work with debug mode turned on. | 23:26 |
| @preaction | well, i mean if it were slower, i would be able to see the pastebin thing | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | pastebin thing? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | paste working thing, sorry | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I thought about adding some delay, but then decided against it | 23:27 |
| @preaction | still fails to redirect from asset manager, even when clicking from the Clipboard pane of the Admin Bar | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:27 |
| @preaction | if it were all just a pop-up dialog, that would be awesomecore | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | you're doing this with safari? | 23:27 |
| @preaction | but that's for later | 23:27 |
| @preaction | no Firefox 3 | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's working for me | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | can you walk me through step by step what you're doing so I can duplicate it here? | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | let's assume that debug mode is on | 23:28 |
| @preaction | okay, let me reset quick | 23:28 |
| @preaction | also, normal page works fine in debug mode | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, and have you cleared your browser cache? | 23:28 |
| @preaction | i'll do that irght now | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | irght now is quick enough | 23:29 |
| @preaction | i login, turn admin on, go to Assets, then click on Root so I can see the Import Node | 23:29 |
| @preaction | I select the Import Node, click Cut | 23:29 |
| @preaction | then I select the Import node under "Clipboard" below the asset manager and click "Paste" | 23:29 |
| @preaction | still failed with cleared cache and cache completely disabled | 23:30 |
| @preaction | no JS errors | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, now please reset and try cutting anything from /home | 23:30 |
| @preaction | but the iframe with the URL of "root?func=pasteListStatus" has the home page inside it | 23:30 |
| @preaction | er.. it's "/root?func=pasteListStatus" rather | 23:31 |
| @preaction | ok | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the right URL | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm getting what you see | 23:31 |
| @preaction | same steps, just something under Home instead of Root? | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:32 |
| @preaction | doing the same steps with the Getting Started page under Home works as expected | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the paste is occurring, interestingly enough | 23:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's special about the root node? | 23:34 |
| @preaction | it's a WebGUI::Asset (and not any subclass of it) | 23:35 |
| @preaction | its view method redirects to home always | 23:35 |
| @preaction | uhm... otherwise dunno. write a test? | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that shouldn't prevent you from calling a func on it, though | 23:36 |
| @preaction | no, it shouldn't | 23:37 |
| @preaction | write a test and use the debugger. something weird is going on | 23:37 |
| @preaction | there's been some interesting bugs fixed in webgui recently, between you and steveo_aa | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how to use the debugger | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't know where to test. It would be all the way back in Content/Asset | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, can't cut the home node | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can import? | 23:40 |
| @preaction | start by adding something to the clipboard and using WebGUI::PseudoRequest to call "/root?func=pasteListStatus" or whatever needs to be called | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | found it | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I didn't return "redirect" from the status method | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | so WebGUI tried to call view | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | which works | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and sets another redirect to /home | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | which overrides the first redirect | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and mucks up the status display | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but pasting the import node was cool, since it takes long enough to paste that you can see it go from working to pasting | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought about changing it to give deep status as well | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but that would have involved putting output generation into a pure API method ($asset->paste) | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and I didn't like that | 23:47 |
| @preaction | yeah, that'd be bad | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | paste has like 3 write queries, but then it iterates over all the pasted assets to reindex them for search | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what takes so long | 23:48 |
| @preaction | you have no idea how much i like this feature, and what it means for the future of WebGUI's admin stuff | 23:48 |
| @preaction | ease-of-use is just getting better and better | 23:48 |
| @preaction | fewer caveats and other bullshit | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | this one comes from the chief, I'm just the brick layer | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll make a nice WNN article, though | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | oh crap. accidental side commit | 23:49 |
| * perlDreamer is going to take a break and shake off the cobwebs | 23:49 | |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for finding both of those bugs, preaction | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, all 3 of them actually | 23:50 |
| @preaction | np, least i could do | 23:50 |
| @preaction | well, yes, but you implemented it. could've been waiting for months :p | 23:50 |
| @preaction | you also implemented it intelligently, could've been done horribly | 23:50 |
| * perlDreamer always does what he is told | 23:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | My kid's livers depend on it | 23:51 |
| @preaction | eh, you can live w/o most of your liver | 23:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11307 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetBranch.pm AssetClipboard.pm): Tell Content/Asset that the paste status method did a redirect. | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hope she was able to figure out her display problem | 00:53 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11308 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix instructions for data to be entered on the paypal website. | 01:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r11309 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): spew forth more data! | 01:53 |
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| +patspam | morning folks | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, patspam :) | 02:33 |
| +patspam | hey hey! how long have I got until you release the next beta? | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it's going to be a close one | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | about 7 days | 02:36 |
| +patspam | ha ok | 02:36 |
| +patspam | i think i might make it | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | very likely | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | although, there is a small chance I'll do it tomorrow morning | 02:36 |
| +patspam | how'd you go with that site with the slow requests? get to the bottom of it? | 02:37 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11310 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Add group privilege checking to the Shipping Drivers | 02:38 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11311 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Backporting group privileges for shipping drivers. | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:38 |
| +patspam | great! | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you should read the changelog, for something even cooler that came out today | 02:40 |
| +patspam | oooh! | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | whaddya think? | 02:49 |
| +patspam | playing with it now :) | 02:50 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetClipboard.pm i18n/English/Asset.pm): i18n the clipboard pasting progress bar data. | 02:53 |
| topsub | wait share | 02:54 |
| topsub | what happen | 02:54 |
| +patspam | that is so neat! | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | pull the beta from SVN, topsub. Learn to live on the wild side! | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can add it anywhere it's needed | 03:01 |
| @rizen | topsub: check out the black blog to see | 03:01 |
| +patspam | just looking at the usage in AssetClipboard, it slots into a wobject www_ method so nicely | 03:01 |
| +patspam | love it | 03:01 |
| +patspam | rockin, makes the webgui ui feel more dynamic too | 03:04 |
| +patspam | one suggestion | 03:07 |
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| +patspam | refactor the javascript that gets generated in ProgressBar::update to be a call to a js function defined in the template | 03:08 |
| +patspam | then people can extend the js UI by modifying the template | 03:09 |
| +patspam | e.g. switch to using a more fancy yui-powered % indicator, etc.. | 03:09 |
| @rizen | you can't use a % indicator | 03:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I know that was just an example, but the current progress bar doesn't understand % | 03:10 |
| @rizen | but that's a good idea | 03:10 |
| +patspam | oh yeah, it doesn't know what the total is! | 03:10 |
| @rizen | the thing is, that up front the bar doesn't know how many tasks it may need to complete | 03:11 |
| @rizen | regardless, it's still a good idea to do that | 03:13 |
| +patspam | cool, I'm doing it now | 03:13 |
| @rizen | cuz then you could customize the bar a little more | 03:13 |
| +patspam | btw, hey rizen! | 03:14 |
| @rizen | hey patspam ! | 03:14 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm: Fix poor i18n code, and add notifications about assets that are skipped to the paste progress bar. | 03:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11314 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a progress bar to Edit Branch. | 03:23 |
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| topsub | Seems the EMS is much imporved in 7.7 | 03:32 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: modproxy is getting in the way, buffering the output | 03:44 |
| +patspam | so you don't actually get the progress updates until all at the end | 03:45 |
| +patspam | $|++ is enough to get past modperl | 03:46 |
| +patspam | but for modproxy, we need to pad out the js returned from update with a lot of comments | 03:48 |
| @preaction | modproxy should be fine provided the modperl instance isn't buffering | 03:49 |
| +patspam | hmm, definitely *seems* to be modproxy, maybe something weird with my dev setup | 03:49 |
| +patspam | content comes out unbuffered over :8081, but not :80 | 03:49 |
| +patspam | via curl | 03:50 |
| @preaction | okay, it might've been something else i'm thinking of (some fix to the EMS to cause modproxy to not time out) | 03:50 |
| @rizen | tobsub: we did quite a bit of work on it | 03:51 |
| @rizen | patspam: that sucks, i'm just using modperl directly here and it's working fine...i didn't test with modproxy in front | 03:53 |
| @rizen | so we're going to need a little tweakage | 03:53 |
| +patspam | I'll stick in some "BUFFER BREAKER" js comments as an initial fix | 03:53 |
| @rizen | sounds good | 03:53 |
| @rizen | that's not even a bad permanent fix (although not terribly elegant) | 03:54 |
| @rizen | cuz the whole point of this is that we're streaming data back to the browser | 03:54 |
| @rizen | to keep the connection alive | 03:54 |
| @rizen | the end result ends up also being a very cool UI enhancement | 03:54 |
| @rizen | but the original goal was just to keep the connection from timing out | 03:55 |
| +patspam | ah that's a nice end result | 03:55 |
| @rizen | yeah, it's a happy end to a nasty problem | 03:56 |
| @rizen | and it only took preaction, perlDreamer, and me to figure out how to solve it | 03:56 |
| +patspam | man, the three of you guys combined could solve just about anything | 03:57 |
| @preaction | or Haarg working alone ;) | 03:58 |
| @rizen | yeah, Haarg is the man | 03:58 |
| @rizen | he amazes me ever single day | 03:58 |
| @rizen | s/ever/every/ | 03:58 |
| @rizen | patspam: maybe, but the point i was trying to make was simply that i feel dumb that it took three of us to solve it | 03:59 |
| @preaction | eh, you solved it, i made it look pretty, colin wrote it | 04:00 |
| @rizen | still the end result couldn't have happened without all three brains | 04:02 |
| @rizen | it makes me sad i'm not smarter | 04:02 |
| @preaction | true, but that's what webgui and open-source are all about | 04:02 |
| @rizen | true | 04:02 |
| @rizen | actually, technically it took 4 brains | 04:02 |
| @preaction | we don't have to bust ass to make things perfect, we do as good as we can do and let other people add their expertise | 04:02 |
| @rizen | because patspam has already improved upon it | 04:03 |
| @preaction | heh | 04:03 |
| @preaction | its the epitome of your philosophy on "get the feature out the door and let other people ask for what they want" | 04:03 |
| @rizen | so true | 04:03 |
| @preaction | my idea to improve it is to get rid of the page load entirely, pop up a JS box that does what we want | 04:04 |
| @preaction | but that can be next time | 04:04 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer said you will have implemented that within a year | 04:04 |
| @rizen | earlier this afternoon | 04:04 |
| @preaction | or as pat said, make it a YUI progress bar, make it pretty, make it work for the Calendar when making recurring events, etc... | 04:04 |
| @rizen | he's like nostrodamus or something | 04:04 |
| @preaction | heh, depends on how much the not-as-pretty annoys me ;) | 04:05 |
| @preaction | there's a lot of pretty we could add that would be an exponential return on user satisfaction than adding features would be | 04:05 |
| @preaction | er.. well, just a bigger return | 04:05 |
| @preaction | it may be stupid, but it's true | 04:05 |
| @rizen | agreed | 04:06 |
| @rizen | and i want to do a lot of that in webgui 8 along with the performance enhancements | 04:06 |
| @preaction | OSX apps have fewer features, but the features they do have are intuitive, pretty, and friendly | 04:06 |
| @rizen | just like this little progress bar helps solve a major problem and gives the user the pretty all at once | 04:06 |
| @rizen | the rewrite of admin mode can do the same thing | 04:06 |
| @preaction | exactly | 04:06 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11315 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm: Mark www_paste as deprecated. | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so what do we do about mod_proxy buffering? | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | is there any to cure that constipation? | 04:11 |
| @rizen | patspam has the fix | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | dump a bunch of JS comments? | 04:13 |
| @rizen | he's spewing comments in with the stuff | 04:13 |
| @rizen | yup | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | how big is the buffer? 1K, 4K? | 04:13 |
| @rizen | that's what we'll have to find out in order to know how many comments to spew | 04:13 |
| +patspam | somewhere between 'BUFFER BREAKER ' x 500 and 1000 | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, it occurs to me that with all this I/O that we're actually slowing wG down | 04:14 |
| @rizen | oh perlDreamer..just thought of something | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no! | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no more thinking of something | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | laundry list is long | 04:14 |
| @rizen | you should update the session->output->print lines so they disable macro processing | 04:14 |
| +patspam | I've got that in already | 04:14 |
| @rizen | ok | 04:14 |
| @rizen | but perlDreamer .... | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 04:15 |
| @rizen | but but but | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | don't make me | 04:15 |
| * rizen cowers in corner | 04:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm busted | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy says I'm in trouble for bullying rizen | 04:17 |
| @preaction | you gotta teach me how to do that | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it only works for older people | 04:18 |
| @rizen | yay kathy! | 04:20 |
| @rizen | she is the knight to my rizen in distress | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | time for me to take her to rehearsal | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night, all | 04:21 |
| @rizen | later | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | 'day, patspam | 04:21 |
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| +patspam | grrr | 04:32 |
| +patspam | even though it is now not buffering | 04:32 |
| +patspam | the browser still delays rendering until the request has finished | 04:32 |
| +patspam | i think it's an http header thing | 04:32 |
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| @rizen | patspam: just put the power of oz into it, and all will be well | 04:33 |
| @rizen | you must find a solution to this rendering problem or the terrorists win. =) | 04:34 |
| +patspam | damn those buffer terrorists | 04:34 |
| +patspam | hmm not having any luck | 04:55 |
| @preaction | are we sending \n? | 05:03 |
| @preaction | i don't know why it would be linewise, but perhaps that would cause modproxy to flush the buffer to the user | 05:04 |
| +patspam | oh good idea! but yeah we are :( | 05:04 |
| @preaction | or some other character | 05:04 |
| +patspam | the problem I've got now is, the output is being flushed in both modperl and modproxy, but the browser is delaying rendering | 05:04 |
| @rizen | it doesn't proxy the entire page before sending, cuz otherwise content chunking wouldn't work in webgui | 05:04 |
| @rizen | oh..so you are getting the content in chunks thent? | 05:05 |
| +patspam | yeah, the content is definitely not being buffered, i can see it coming out in chunks in curl | 05:05 |
| @preaction | the ProxyIOBufferSize defaults to 8192 | 05:05 |
| @rizen | what browser are you using patspam? | 05:05 |
| +patspam | both firefox and opera | 05:06 |
| @rizen | i've noticed that webkit browsers don't like streaming | 05:06 |
| @rizen | oh | 05:06 |
| @rizen | nevermind then | 05:06 |
| +patspam | the thing is I've got this stuff working before, for example the survey test suite has an option to output chunked TAP output | 05:06 |
| @rizen | oh crap | 05:06 |
| @rizen | just thought of something | 05:06 |
| +patspam | that's why I'm suspecting http headers, perhaps "Connection: close" should be "Connection: Keep-Alive" | 05:07 |
| @preaction | perhaps the browser is waiting until it recieves </script> to run the entire script? | 05:07 |
| @rizen | we give one for each output | 05:07 |
| +patspam | preaction: I already tried changing the content type to text/plain and sending non-html words.. same result | 05:07 |
| @rizen | but that's the reason that yahoo | 05:07 |
| @rizen | oh | 05:07 |
| @rizen | nevermind then | 05:07 |
| +patspam | I'll commit what I've done, and let you guys play | 05:07 |
| @rizen | i was going to say they recommend putting script tags at the end | 05:07 |
| @rizen | wait | 05:08 |
| @rizen | does this still happen even if you go to port 8081? | 05:08 |
| +patspam | yep | 05:08 |
| @preaction | they do that because it blocks rendering of everything below the <script> tags, that feature is what we're using to accomplish what we're doing | 05:08 |
| @rizen | wow | 05:08 |
| @rizen | cuz it streams on my computer | 05:08 |
| +patspam | ok, let me commit and tell me if it still streams for you | 05:08 |
| @rizen | on 8081 | 05:08 |
| @rizen | ok | 05:08 |
| +patspam | perhaps i have a wacked modperl | 05:08 |
| @rizen | i'm using wre 093 | 05:09 |
| @rizen | osx 10.5 | 05:09 |
| @rizen | firefox 3.10 | 05:09 |
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| elnino | weird... I remember I had this problem before, and ignored it at the time... | 05:10 |
| elnino | I have a bunch of products on a pagelayout | 05:11 |
| elnino | their urls are unique, | 05:11 |
| +patspam | committed | 05:11 |
| elnino | but if I want to edit them, I get a "The requested URL /catalog-3 was not found on this server." | 05:11 |
| elnino | not even my own 404 error. | 05:11 |
| +patspam | rizen: I'm on an older wre, maybe that's why | 05:12 |
| elnino | it's like it's not going to my own server. Because at the bottom of the apache looking 404 error page, it names another server I have. | 05:13 |
| @rizen | patspam: i saw the page, but no updates were ever displayed on it | 05:14 |
| elnino | however, I can change the url thru asset manger. | 05:14 |
| +patspam | so.. one of my changes broke it? | 05:15 |
| @preaction | elnino: does the domain name up at the top change? is it going to https instead of http? | 05:15 |
| @rizen | patspam: looks like it | 05:15 |
| elnino | no that's the goofy thing... hold on tho. | 05:15 |
| @rizen | i'm looking through your changes now patspam | 05:15 |
| elnino | I was clicking on two different products... | 05:16 |
| +patspam | ta.. how are you testing the page? I was sticking a sleep into ProgressBar::update so that I could see the pauses between updates | 05:16 |
| elnino | ok. no I can't change the url. The one I can change the url on works just fine. | 05:16 |
| elnino | so some work and some don't. | 05:16 |
| +patspam | ah crap | 05:17 |
| @rizen | well for one thing | 05:17 |
| +patspam | rizen: i didn't commit the template | 05:17 |
| @rizen | you didn't update the template | 05:17 |
| elnino | I'm going to try recursive url changing. | 05:17 |
| @rizen | heh | 05:17 |
| +patspam | *slaps head* | 05:17 |
| +patspam | committed now | 05:18 |
| +patspam | sorry about that | 05:18 |
| elnino | ok. they work. whew | 05:19 |
| elnino | very weird. | 05:19 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11316 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar.pm: | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: ProgressBar tweaks | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Output skips macro processing | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Modperl buffering is side-stepped ($|++) | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Modproxy buffering is side-stepped (output size) | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Javascript extensibility | 05:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11317 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.11/admin_progress_bar.wgpkg: Added template to go with previous ProgressBar commit | 05:23 |
| @rizen | well i'm seeing the streaming | 05:23 |
| +patspam | that's good news i think! | 05:23 |
| +patspam | means that it's hopefully just due to my older wre version | 05:23 |
| @rizen | the only problem is | 05:23 |
| @rizen | the text isn't getting updated | 05:23 |
| @rizen | it starts with Pasting import node | 05:23 |
| @rizen | and then goes to indexing import node | 05:24 |
| @rizen | but doesn't show indexing on all the individual little pieces | 05:24 |
| @rizen | this is cutting and pasting the import node if that wasn't clear | 05:24 |
| @rizen | i guess it isn't that big of a deal, but it's something we'll have to figure out eventually...right now must get back to secret project | 05:27 |
| elnino | hmm. is there a way to convert exising sku::product assets into a custom sku::book product asset that I will be creating? | 05:28 |
| * patspam looks over rizen's shoulder | 05:28 | |
| +patspam | I'll have another look at it after I upgrade my wre, can't really test it atm without the streaming working | 05:29 |
| @preaction | elnino: sure. you'd have to write it yourself though. $product->getParent->addChild( { %{ $product->get }, "className" => 'WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Book' } ); | 05:29 |
| @rizen | elnino, not sure what you're doing with book | 05:30 |
| @rizen | but i have a class that's built for that...the one i put into the dev guide | 05:30 |
| @rizen | if you just want that code i can give it to you | 05:30 |
| elnino | yep, I'll basically be using that from the book. | 05:31 |
| elnino | if you want, that would be great, otherwise typing is good excersize and better for me to learn with. | 05:31 |
| @rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m795881e7 | 05:31 |
| elnino | you're quick! | 05:32 |
| elnino | thanks. | 05:32 |
| @rizen | it's a little out of date | 05:33 |
| @rizen | like it should use the AssetApsect::Installer instead of having those two things at the end | 05:33 |
| @rizen | but it will work for you | 05:33 |
| elnino | oh grrr. Why does vi prepend # every line after a comment line. The entire code got commented out.. Is there a setting for vi? | 05:35 |
| @rizen | patspam: luckily for me i have the Over The Shoulder Guard 9000, to protect my secret project from prying eyes | 05:35 |
| * patspam googles for Over The Shoulder Guard 9000 hacks | 05:36 | |
| elnino | rizen. Oh ok. I | 05:36 |
| elnino | 'll look into AssetAspect, I suppose that would be in the newer dev book. I have 7.4 I believe. | 05:37 |
| @rizen | the new dev book should (crosses fingers) come out at the WUC this year | 05:37 |
| @preaction | really? | 05:38 |
| @rizen | yes really....so you better get to writing | 05:38 |
| * preaction will integrate his fixes then | 05:38 | |
| * rizen needs to document all the new plugin points, as well as aspects, and now progress bar! | 05:39 | |
| @rizen | progress bar gives me warm fluffy feelings | 05:41 |
| @preaction | indeed. it's a huge step for usability | 05:41 |
| @preaction | no more "oh yeah, that works, but..." | 05:41 |
| elnino | preaction - I dont' understand your code, is it makeing a duplicate, or converting? | 05:46 |
| @preaction | it's making a duplicate with a new class (so converting but keeping the original) | 05:53 |
| elnino | ok. thats smart | 05:53 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Hello everyone tonight, what's new? | 06:56 |
| elnino | it | 06:56 |
| elnino | is quiet | 06:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Wow, I guess it is quiet, even for Pacific time, which I'm now on. | 06:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: that was a brilliant solution by the way. I'd thought something like that must be done for anything to work. Need to look through your code and see how the brilliance was done. | 07:01 |
| +patspam | perlmonkey2: i owe it all to your original idea | 07:22 |
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| +patspam | preaction: if you had to test a bunch of scalars for equality, what would you use? Test::Deep::NoTest? Scalar::Util::looks_like_number? | 08:27 |
| +patspam | ...or ~~ | 08:35 |
| +patspam | speaking of which, are we allowed to use 5.10 features in core now? | 08:35 |
| @preaction | no | 08:39 |
| @preaction | what kind of scalars? | 08:39 |
| +patspam | preaction: strings and numbers | 08:44 |
| @preaction | eq is probably just fine | 08:47 |
| @preaction | or do you mean an array of such things? | 08:48 |
| +patspam | probably easier if i take a step back and explain what I'm doing | 08:48 |
| +patspam | Survey currently stores a lot of redundant information in its json-ended surveyJSON property | 08:49 |
| +patspam | in particular, the default values for every Section/Question/Answer and listed over and over again | 08:49 |
| +patspam | so I've refactored it to just store a single copy of the defaults, and then store only the properties that differ from the defaults | 08:50 |
| +patspam | in doing that, I need to iterate over a bunch of hashes, and for each one remove the keys that have the "same" value as the defaults | 08:50 |
| +patspam | the values are guaranteed to be simple scalars only - strings and numbers | 08:50 |
| +patspam | I think I'm going to go with: $a == $b && $a eq $b | 08:51 |
| @preaction | how could $a eq $b and $a != $b? | 08:54 |
| @preaction | nm, "0.10" ne "0.1" | 08:54 |
| +patspam | yeah, although those edge cases are probably not going to occur here anyway | 08:54 |
| @preaction | i would do the Scalar::Util::looks_like_number check | 08:55 |
| +patspam | oh ok. Maybe I should encapsulate it as a strict equality util sub in WebGUI::Utility? | 08:56 |
| +patspam | WebGUI::Utility::scalarEquals? | 08:57 |
| @preaction | probably a good idea | 09:03 |
| +patspam | is the current wre based on perl 5.10? | 09:05 |
| @preaction | yes, but we can't use 5.10 features until WebGUI 8 | 09:05 |
| +patspam | ah ok | 09:06 |
| +patspam | looking forward to that! | 09:06 |
| @preaction | heh, wait until the WUC where you'll get some idea of all the PLANS we've been talking about behind the scenes here ;) | 09:07 |
| +patspam | thank god I'll be finished my main $work project by then, so hard to not get distracted playing with all the fun new stuff | 09:07 |
| @preaction | ooh, does that mean you'll be helping? we've got, as i mentioned, lots of plans | 09:08 |
| @preaction | though if you have your own plans, that'd be wonderful too | 09:08 |
| +patspam | I guess it depends what those plans are! | 09:09 |
| +patspam | but if the last few months are anything to go by.. | 09:09 |
| +patspam | it just keeps getting more and more exciting | 09:09 |
| @preaction | make WebGUI better, only this time allowing for API breaking | 09:10 |
| @preaction | that's the plan | 09:10 |
| @preaction | specific plans are hush-hush (mainly because they're not set in stone yet) | 09:10 |
| @preaction | but the old APIs that are frustrating will probably go | 09:10 |
| @preaction | away | 09:10 |
| @preaction | forever | 09:10 |
| @preaction | the focus will be on performance, and damn any API that gets in our way | 09:11 |
| +patspam | heh, and we might dance on their grave | 09:11 |
| @preaction | also usability, and damn any API that gets in our way | 09:11 |
| @preaction | finally interoperability (with other systems, between webgui systems) | 09:11 |
| +patspam | woot | 09:11 |
| @preaction | no APIs there, so no weirdness | 09:11 |
| +patspam | I'm really excited about the wre scalability/clustering talk too | 09:11 |
| @preaction | Auth is getting rewritten, thank jesus | 09:11 |
| @preaction | indeed | 09:11 |
| @preaction | and i've love for WebGUI to be able to talk to other WebGUI sites | 09:12 |
| @preaction | or for the WRE to magically set up a cluster once the WRE is installed on another system | 09:12 |
| +patspam | that'd be awesome! | 09:12 |
| @preaction | and possible! ;) | 09:12 |
| @preaction | hell, given a root ssh, the WRE could set up that system too | 09:12 |
| @preaction | that'd be harder though ;) | 09:13 |
| @preaction | alfresco, i think, has a nice feature where you can push content to other sites, or pull from other sites | 09:13 |
| @preaction | WebGUI has packages, but the remote stuff never got added (it was planned) | 09:13 |
| @preaction | i've been aching to implement that | 09:13 |
| +patspam | yeah that'd take things to a new level | 09:13 |
| @preaction | (it would make designers development lives easy) | 09:13 |
| +patspam | wgd kinda opened my eyes to what's already possible, at least from the command line | 09:14 |
| @preaction | but Performance, Usability, Interoperability are the three goals, in that order | 09:14 |
| +patspam | bring it on! | 09:15 |
| @preaction | amen! | 09:15 |
| @preaction | and i agree, 7.7 is exciting enough, but everything keeps growing | 09:17 |
| @preaction | 7.3, 7.4, 7.5, 7.6, 7.7, our progress seems to get faster and faster | 09:18 |
| +patspam | yeah, everything seems to be accelerating | 09:18 |
| +patspam | such a stimulating dev community to be involved in, I'm loving it | 09:19 |
| @preaction | heh, you got here during some interesting times, believe me ;) | 09:19 |
| +patspam | oh nice! someone posted on perlmonks how to use hash keys to check strict scalar equality http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=525349 | 09:20 |
| @preaction | that's pretty neat, no looks_like_number | 09:22 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11318 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Utility.pm t/Utility.t): Added WebGUI::Utility::scalarEquals for strict equality checks of scalars | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11319 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: SurveyJSON size reduction/optimization | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: SurveyJSON was storing a lot of redundant information (every setting on | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: every single section/question/answer, which, in most cases, will simply | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: take on the default values). This was bloating the surveyJSON property in | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: the db, and equally as importantly, slowing down Survey because it had to | 11:27 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: do a lot of JSON parsing on the serialised surveyJSON object. | 11:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | If I want to work on a branch for the new graphing system on git, I'd prolly should fork the webgui repo from plainblack, create a graphing branch on the fork and work in there, right? | 17:31 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease: probably. it will allow you to store your changes on github, which is nice | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's the idea | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | other question | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have the webgui and cpan modules both in the same repo (also on github), but I want to split those. That is, I want to move the webgui modules out to the graphing branch of my wg fork on github | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that possible | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i did some googling, but couldn't really find what i was looking for | 17:35 |
| @preaction | i don't know. perhaps by physically moving them on your system (deleting from one repo and adding to the other) | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then I'd loose the history | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | It''s not real bad if I do | 17:37 |
| @preaction | then i dunno | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'd rather keep it | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks! | 17:37 |
| @Haarg | i could probably do that for you if you had the repo public somewhere. i doubt it's something i could explain how to do. | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks, but after looking into it the wg part of the repo has only a handful of commits | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it's not worth the trouble after all | 17:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks-1 | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | evening, patspam | 18:08 |
| @preaction | morning perlDreamer | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy pd! | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | howdy MrHairgrease and perlDreamer | 18:12 |
| @rizen | but not preaction | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | are we not talking to preaction today? | 18:12 |
| @preaction | LAAAAME | 18:12 |
| * preaction runs away sobbing | 18:13 | |
| +MrHairgrease | crybaby! | 18:13 |
| @rizen | wow you guys get all bent out of shape so quickly. i've already spoken to preaction this morning. | 18:13 |
| @rizen | so no need to say howdy to him | 18:14 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 18:14 |
| @rizen | well that, and i love to torment my employees | 18:14 |
| @preaction | riiiiiight | 18:14 |
| @preaction | i believe your exact hello was more like "*grunt* you there?" | 18:14 |
| @preaction | no friendly "Hello! How are you feeling? How's the children?" | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's how we say in the netherlands as well | 18:15 |
| @rizen | would you like me to engage in small talk everytime we converse | 18:15 |
| @rizen | ? | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: you don't have any children | 18:15 |
| @rizen | or feelings | 18:16 |
| @preaction | tu es l?? | 18:16 |
| @preaction | see? In french it sounds nicer than "you there?" | 18:16 |
| @preaction | hey, you, faceless drone of mine | 18:16 |
| @preaction | okay, that's as long as i can maintain my outrage without laughing | 18:17 |
| * preaction GETS BACK TO WORK | 18:17 | |
| @rizen | you need to cut back on your estrogen pills | 18:17 |
| @rizen | 2500 micrograms is too much | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey | 18:17 |
| @preaction | but my chest is filling out nicely! :'( | 18:17 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happened to the microlbs? | 18:18 |
| @preaction | can variants have their own thumbnails? | 18:19 |
| @preaction | er.. Product variants? | 18:19 |
| @rizen | no | 18:19 |
| @rizen | not currently | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | never! | 18:19 |
| @rizen | don't listen to pd, he can't even write a progress bar without patspams help | 18:20 |
| @rizen | oh wait, neither could i | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you should rename it the ObamaBar | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | it almost alliterates | 18:22 |
| @preaction | YES WE CAN | 18:22 |
| @rizen | but we won't | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | Then you should probably call it the DutchTeamBar | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | beacuse of the apparent corrlation to said team and bars in general | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | except steel bars of course | 18:24 |
| @preaction | but then it would need to make it go backwards | 18:24 |
| @preaction | and stumble a bit | 18:24 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | but only a bit | 18:24 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | the Dutch drink quite well due to the weekly practices | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't get me started | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I already have | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but thta's what you get with Joeri for a boss | 18:25 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | hm, did you guys know that $self->shift will not give you a session object? | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | i find that out regularly | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | also shift->session does not work | 18:27 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | sounds like a WUC minitalk | 18:27 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | Most popular ways of not getting a session object | 18:27 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | shift()->session should work | 18:28 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | I think... | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | Sometimes I'm wondering if ImageMagick is indeed the result of a troop of monkeys hammering on keyboards.... | 18:28 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | look for banana peels | 18:29 |
| @rizen | i think image magick was built by geniuses and the documentation was written by monkeys hammering on keyboards | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 19:01 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | drunk belgian monkeys, no less | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | then again, would ther be a good reason for my version of IM to segfault when I want a dashed line | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | or the translate option to do nothing | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | luckily there's alway affine in which you can also set translation | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe in the next version affine is borked and tranlate works fine | 19:02 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | they need a more thorough test suite | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the biggest problem wit IM is that is was never meant for perl and that perlmagick is a duct-tape solution | 19:04 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11320 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Instrument www_demote, www_promote, demote, promote and swapRank with ProgressBar code. | 19:24 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | preaction, need some help | 20:48 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | in the AssetManager, I want to redirect the Update button to an asset method so that the ProgressBar can be used | 20:49 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | I've tried adding this to the button onclick="this.form.func.value='setRanks'; this.form.submit();" | 20:50 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | but I get a JS error saying this.form.func is undefined | 20:51 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | maybe I should add a new method to the assetManager instead | 20:51 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | and just change the method | 20:51 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: translation * r11321 /translations/German/German/Asset_Matrix.pm: Update from translation server | 20:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11322 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Add a method that returns the URL for the assetManager. | 21:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11323 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm: Use the new method for getting the asset manager URL. | 21:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11324 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Add a progress bar for reordering rank in the Asset Manager. | 21:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11325 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixing fractional array indexes in the RandomAssetProxy macro. | 21:25 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11326 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting RandomAssetProxy.pm fix | 21:25 |
| * rfeCurmudgeon goes running, then for lunch, then for BCA | 21:38 | |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11327 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Update local property cache when performing version tag operations an $self. | 21:39 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11328 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Backporting object property cache fix for assetversion. | 21:39 |
| @preaction | Plain Black has a podcast? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | what cool iphone apps should i get? | 22:45 |
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| @rizen | all of them | 22:45 |
| @rizen | yup, our podcast is all the stuff we put up in webgui.tv | 22:46 |
| @preaction | i'm getting parallel kingdom, and i have the webgui iphone app | 22:46 |
| @rizen | you should start with WG Gallery | 22:46 |
| @rizen | i use skype, admit one, lose it!, dual level, units, and pano quite frequently | 22:47 |
| @preaction | ooh, of course, skype! | 22:47 |
| @rizen | sorry change "admit one" to "now playing" | 22:47 |
| @preaction | so i can do my work at the conference | 22:48 |
| @rizen | for games i like: Lux DLX, Solitare Forever, StickWars, Flight Control, Dice Shaker, and Wolf 3D | 22:48 |
| @preaction | Now Playing looks niiice | 22:49 |
| @preaction | oh, and the video camera on the phone is nice too | 22:49 |
| +cap10morgan | any idea why when upgrading to 7.7.5 the pre-packing all head tags step would generate a query on the now non-existent rssfromparent table? | 23:10 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, probably because it's just looping through the assets and running newByDynamicClass on them, eh? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | correct suh | 23:12 |
| +cap10morgan | so then when the 7.7.2 upgrade gets rid of that table, there's potentially still some cleanup to be done i guess | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | probably | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | would be good to report a bug on that once the site is back up | 23:14 |
| +cap10morgan | oh? i was assuming it was leaving things intact that really needed admin attention. but you think it's mistakenly leaving things behind it should be cleaning up? | 23:15 |
| @preaction | any RSSFromParent asset should be deleted | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | gotcha | 23:15 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, i'll see what's going on and report a bug | 23:15 |
| @preaction | the code should remain, but the asset itself should be ->purge() | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | although, will it be fixable? | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | since you have to stop at 7.7.5 in your upgrade path | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | er, 7.7.2 | 23:16 |
| @preaction | yes, if one has already upgraded, just run a couple SQL queries | 23:16 |
| +cap10morgan | ah, so you'll tell folks who get bit by how to manually fix it? | 23:17 |
| @preaction | whoever fixes the bug, yes | 23:18 |
| +cap10morgan | ok, sounds reasonable | 23:18 |
| @preaction | if you want to fix it now: delete from assetData where assetId IN (select assetId from asset where className="WebGUI::Asset::RssFromParent"); | 23:18 |
| @preaction | delete from asset where className = "WebGUI::Asset::RssFromParent"; | 23:18 |
| @preaction | then you're done | 23:19 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, it left 14 such records behind on this site | 23:19 |
| @preaction | oh, clear the cache afterwards | 23:19 |
| +cap10morgan | in the asset table | 23:19 |
| +cap10morgan | sure | 23:19 |
| +cap10morgan | does it matter what's broken in the 7.7.2 upgrade script? since it can't be fixed anyway? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | i don't know, but please file the bug anyway | 23:20 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i definitely will (soon as webgui.org is back up) | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | while we'll want to make something to fix it after the fact, when we make the stable upgrade we'll probably want to use a fixed version of the original routine | 23:24 |
| @preaction | WTF is that new maintenance page? | 23:25 |
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| @preaction | mad pimping! | 23:25 |
| +cap10morgan | Haarg: good point | 23:25 |
| +cap10morgan | i'll see if i can debug the upgrade script a little then | 23:25 |
| @rizen | what do you mean wtf | 23:25 |
| @rizen | don't you like it? | 23:25 |
| @preaction | it's AWESOME | 23:25 |
| @rizen | thanks | 23:26 |
| @rizen | i made it in anticipation of the stuff i'm doing tonight | 23:26 |
| @rizen | but then kristi broke the site | 23:26 |
| @rizen | so i got to put it up early | 23:26 |
| @preaction | we should put a wG logo in there and make it the default WebGUI maintence screen | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | i think it needs more lens flare | 23:26 |
| @preaction | well, globviously | 23:26 |
| @preaction | and you should let me put it into the Site Starter Wizard (along with a little tweaking to the readability, no more blue screen of ugly!) | 23:27 |
| @rizen | what | 23:28 |
| @rizen | that blue screen rules | 23:28 |
| @preaction | you heard me! | 23:28 |
| @preaction | BSOU! | 23:28 |
| +cap10morgan | is there a way to hit a sourceforge url that tells it, "give me this file from any random mirror"? | 23:31 |
| +cap10morgan | for downloading webgui, for example :) | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | yes, but i don't remember what it is | 23:33 |
| +cap10morgan | hmm, seeing lots of greasemonkey scripts, but no built-in way to do it | 23:46 |
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| +cap10morgan | ok, 7.7.2 upgrade bug reported | 00:33 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Patrick Donelan master * ra3717f4 / (lib/WGDev/Command/Db.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Optimize.pm): | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Added "wgd db --show" and "wgd optimize --db" | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: "wgd db --show" gives you quick access to mysqlshow, which is handy | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: for doing things like: "wgd db --show --count" | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: "wgd optimize --db" displays the Top 10 tables sorted by Rows and | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Data_length - http://bit.ly/kvE5F | 00:58 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r59fbea4 / (4 files in 3 dirs): perlcritic and pod coverage fixes - http://bit.ly/zeW6A | 00:58 |
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| @rizen | which do you think would be faster: extracting a tarball of a path to a new location, or simply copying the original directory structure to the new location | 01:40 |
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| onki | rizen, patching with diff? | 01:44 |
| @rizen | no just creating a duplicate file structure | 01:44 |
| @rizen | cp -Rp, vs tar xfz | 01:45 |
| onki | cp | 01:45 |
| @rizen | methinks cp should be too, but in some tests i ran on a small amount of files tar was faster | 01:46 |
| onki | but you would need to get the patch first I assume, downloading it to the right location would be faster, extracting it from that place | 01:46 |
| @rizen | what patch? | 01:46 |
| @rizen | i'm not patching anything | 01:46 |
| onki | <rizen> which do you think would be faster: extracting a tarball of a path | 01:46 |
| @rizen | path | 01:46 |
| @rizen | path | 01:46 |
| @rizen | not patch | 01:46 |
| onki | ah, sorry | 01:46 |
| @rizen | path = directory | 01:46 |
| @rizen | heh | 01:47 |
| @rizen | sorry for the confusion | 01:47 |
| onki | np | 01:47 |
| @rizen | ok, here goes nothing. 8gb here we come | 01:47 |
| onki | I needed to bunzip some 8 GB this week, it ended up being a tar file and I then needed to list it, listing the bzip file would have been quicker I think :-) | 01:49 |
| onki | the content of it | 01:49 |
| @rizen | yeah | 01:49 |
| onki | but I think extracting it once you are sure of the content would be best | 01:50 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11329 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: fix an i18n bug | 02:53 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | perlbot: math 1e9/24/3600 | 03:03 |
| perlbot | 11574.0740740741 | 03:03 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | perlbot: math (1/(1e9/24/3600)) | 03:04 |
| perlbot | 8.64e-05 | 03:04 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11330 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.pm: Fix a typo in user output. | 03:24 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11331 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm t/Content/AssetManager.t): Update tests to handle the new way of updating ranks in the asset manager. | 03:24 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11332 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/Asset.t lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Never delete an asset property key. | 03:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11333 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting fixes. | 04:08 |
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| elnino | hi! what does the "owner" of a page really determine? if a user can edit the page, they can pretty much do everything already... or am I missing something. | 04:16 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, keep missing perldreamer. | 04:16 |
| +perlmonkey2 | logging in too late. | 04:16 |
| @preaction | elnino: if the owner is not in the Group To Edit, they can still see and edit the page | 04:16 |
| * rfeCurmudgeon is here, perlmonkey2 | 04:17 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | rfeCurmudgeon: howdy, how's things? | 04:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | is today RFE day? | 04:17 |
| elnino | is that pretty much it preaction? | 04:17 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | been a very busy week | 04:17 |
| @preaction | this is good for, say, Collaboration Posts, Gallery Albums and Photos, Calendar Events, and such | 04:17 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | no, too many people were saying, "Wouldn't it be great if", so I had to put the smack down on them. | 04:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rfeCurmudgeon: I'm stuck in Davis, CA tomorrow all day with nothing to do, if you have any projects you want a hand with. | 04:17 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | I need all the Survey bugs fixed and backported to 7.6 | 04:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I thought there was only the IE6 bug left? | 04:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | which is a layout issue. | 04:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'll look | 04:18 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | I believe they're fixed in 7.7, but not backported | 04:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah | 04:18 |
| +rfeCurmudgeon | wg.org is down for maintenenace | 04:18 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | FYI, when you take your kids to the obligatory Sequoia visit, eat at Serrono's in Three Rivers. That was probably the best mexican food I've ever had. | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to remember that! | 04:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and I think I'm moving to Fresno. I found Heaven and it is in California :P | 04:20 |
| * perlDreamer likes Duncan's Mills | 04:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | just outside of Santa Rosa | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the smallest town I ever lived in | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if you came into town from the east, it said 52 people | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | if you came into town from the west, it said 46 | 04:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 04:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hey, that's not too far from me right now | 04:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how long did you live there? | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm: I18n some AdminConsole titles. | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11335 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Workflow.pm: Backporting workflow operation i18n. | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | 2 months | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's about 15 minutes from the beach, set in a redwood/cedar forest | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of wind :) | 04:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, then I'm looking at a different santa rosa. No way this giant city is 52 people. | 04:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=santa+rosa,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=38.502405,93.164063&ie=UTF8&ll=38.447136,-122.632828&spn=0.148962,0.363922&z=12&iwloc=A | 04:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or is that dating you when you lived there? | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ha | 04:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, the real town's name is Duncan's Mills | 04:30 |
| +perlDreamer | look to the west | 04:31 |
| +perlDreamer | past the champagne cellars for Korbel | 04:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what's in Duncan's Mills? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's where I lived for 2 months | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | there's 1 store | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and a post office | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's pretty much it | 04:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what did you do there? | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I worked for HP. Commuted into Santa Rosa every day | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Duncans+mills+california&sll=37.509726,-95.712891&sspn=33.586888,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=38.455,-123.053913&spn=0.032599,0.077248&z=14&iwloc=A | 04:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I lived in a little 1 person cabin off Freezeout Road | 04:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Wow, I didn't need to go to Sequoia, you can see most of it from Streetview. | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, here's a list of Survey bugs that need backporting | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 10520 | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 10425 | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 9920 | 05:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11336 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Tax.pm Shop/Tax.pm): Add missing Tax i18n. | 05:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11337 /WebGUI/t/ (lib/WebGUI/Test.pm Group/resetGroupFields.t): Fix a test that is leaking a workflow. Add workflow cleanup code to WebGUI::Test. | 05:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: sweet...okay, I'll start on them tomorrow morning. Right now it is my first meal of the day then lots and lots of drinking with old friends. | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | have fun, perlmonkey2, and thank you for the help! | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | what are you doing out there? | 05:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Is it helping when I made the bugs? | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | on vacation? | 05:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | kind of | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll blame patspam ;) | 05:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wife had a conference, so we made a road trip out of it. | 05:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 05:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hit some friends in Albuquerque, Grand Canyon and surrounding parks, 2 days in Vegas, Sequoia, and now Davis. No idea on which route we'll take back :P | 05:13 |
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| elnino | Have a good night all! | 05:48 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYjZc7gKXc | 10:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: jt * r11341 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Auth.pm): Updated auth to allow sending back of non-text/html mime types. | 19:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yahoo now hosts their js libs? that's pretty nice. | 19:58 |
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| perlmonkey21 | I have an ssh tunnel to my home server, but to test a bug in IE, I need to use that port tunnel with a virtual xp instance. Anyone know if that is possible? | 21:16 |
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| perlmonkey21 | patspam: in the incredibly unlikely event you are around, do you think it is really possible to backport your revision correction code to 7.6? There are a lot of major changes in how things work in the two version. | 22:30 |
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| +patspam | perlmonkey2: word | 04:12 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: word yo | 05:30 |
| +patspam | how ya doooin? | 05:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: sorry, had to go on a beer run. Doing great. In California hanging out with old friends and enjoying life. Things couldn't be better :) | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | How's things with you? Making plans on your big move? | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | FTW!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYjZc7gKXc | 06:33 |
| +patspam | heh | 06:58 |
| +patspam | sounds like you're having fun! | 06:58 |
| +patspam | things are going pretty good, will be happy when this project is done so i can go play with fun new wg toys | 06:59 |
| * patspam heads out for lunch | 06:59 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: fyi, your implemented solution to the versioning issue is extremely clever. You sir are a genius. | 07:06 |
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| CIA-46 | wgdev: Fixed bug with Package --output-dir option | 10:14 |
| CIA-46 | wgdev: Renamed option to --to since hypenated options are not supported. - http://bit.ly/5cDZl | 10:14 |
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| SDuensin | Whoa. I like the new WebGUI site. Except the "Developer" looks like he doesn't want to be there. | 02:34 |
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| topsub | haha | 02:54 |
| topsub | new site suprise | 02:54 |
| SDuensin | Not sure I like the wiki being split into sections. Makes it harder to find things. | 02:55 |
| topsub | the links broke to the install help of wre | 03:00 |
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| topsub | ugh when you do an thingy import it doesn't import the images | 05:06 |
| Bennollo | hey there, anyone there that can help me with a Thingy SQL Report? | 05:17 |
| Bennollo | I'm having trouble with the MySQL query... sorry I'm a bit of a newbie | 05:18 |
| SDuensin | I here, but I don't think I can help. :-( | 05:18 |
| topsub | bennollo there is a sql report in the bazzar to help you with that, I just did a portfolio doing queries agaist thingy | 05:54 |
| topsub | i'm doing a webgui upgrade and it fails saying "...sh: mysqldump: not found".. that saying mysqldump it can't find or a script? | 05:57 |
| SDuensin | Can't find mysqldump. | 05:59 |
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| @steveo_aa | did you do sh /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh? | 06:01 |
| topsub | sure did | 06:03 |
| topsub | i'm doing "which perl" | 06:03 |
| topsub | and its putting from /data... | 06:03 |
| topsub | when i do testenvi... it all comes back "ok" also | 06:03 |
| @steveo_aa | What does 'which mysqldump' say? | 06:04 |
| topsub | says... /data/wre/prereqs/bin/mysqldump | 06:04 |
| topsub | i'm ina vmware w/ linux ssh'n to my vps.. haha and talking on IRC in windows | 06:05 |
| @steveo_aa | Which upgrade gives the report? | 06:07 |
| topsub | hmm wrid | 06:08 |
| topsub | werid.. i switched to root | 06:09 |
| topsub | went to /data/WebGUI/sbin and ran the upgrade.pl directly and it worked | 06:09 |
| topsub | when trying to run it from the /data/wre/sbinwebguiupgrade directly it crashed | 06:09 |
| SDuensin | What user were you before? | 06:09 |
| topsub | not roon | 06:09 |
| topsub | not root | 06:09 |
| topsub | was that the mistake? | 06:09 |
| @steveo_aa | Yes | 06:10 |
| topsub | i sudo'd it | 06:10 |
| topsub | ah.. oops | 06:10 |
| topsub | noted! | 06:10 |
| SDuensin | Ok, my turn... | 06:10 |
| @steveo_aa | some commands are not visible to a non-root user | 06:10 |
| SDuensin | I enabled SSL for one of my sites with a self-signed cert. Updated the site's modproxy and conf files... | 06:10 |
| SDuensin | Restarted web server. Enabled encryption on the site... | 06:11 |
| SDuensin | It redirects like it should, but my browser gives me a "too many redirects" error. | 06:11 |
| @steveo_aa | That means that you have a circular reference somehow. | 06:11 |
| @steveo_aa | It might be in your rewrites, or someplace else | 06:12 |
| SDuensin | That's what I figured. Except I followed the bouncing ball. :-) | 06:12 |
| SDuensin | I used what was in the WRE's template for modproxy. | 06:13 |
| * SDuensin needs SSL so he can *finally* bill people. :-) | 06:14 | |
| @steveo_aa | It may not be in proxy. I suspect a page redirecting to itself. Do you use login authentication? | 06:14 |
| SDuensin | I enabled it, yea. | 06:15 |
| SDuensin | Should I turn it off and only break one thing at a time? | 06:15 |
| @steveo_aa | Your redirect error comes immediately upon first visit, assuming an unauthorized first page view? | 06:16 |
| SDuensin | Yes, first visit. But I should be authorized. | 06:16 |
| @steveo_aa | If you are carrying previous authentication, you should see if it occurs without authentication (on another machine) so that you can continue testing your error condition. | 06:17 |
| @steveo_aa | You might also clear your caches, just to make sure. | 06:17 |
| SDuensin | I'll try from a virgin browser. | 06:18 |
| topsub | i have a question for you guys.. I have my new site working 100% w/ shortcuts and nav object inside my vmware.. I put the database on my new webgui server.. ran an upgrade on it and now i have "unable to process 'assetproxy': can't locate object.. | 06:18 |
| topsub | what happen with the push and ugprade.. why did these elements disapear? | 06:18 |
| @steveo_aa | Check not only webgui.log but modperl.log | 06:18 |
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| SDuensin | steveo_aa - I have been. | 06:19 |
| @steveo_aa | I didn't want to assume, but just affirming. | 06:19 |
| SDuensin | NP | 06:19 |
| @steveo_aa | I can not speak with any knowledge of installation process changes. | 06:21 |
| @steveo_aa | I was just passing through. Gotta catch some Z's for my busy day tomorrow. Good luck. | 06:23 |
| SDuensin | I don't understand the rewrite rules. They use "http" in the SSL section. | 06:24 |
| SDuensin | Thanks. | 06:24 |
| SDuensin | Night. | 06:24 |
| @steveo_aa | That may be because to get to SSL, you may have to redirect from http requests when SSL requests are more appropriate. | 06:25 |
| @steveo_aa | But I'm not certain in your case. | 06:26 |
| SDuensin | I'll keep reading. Thanks. | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow, it's really quiet in here on a Sunday night | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | or, Monday afternoon, for all you Aussie-type people | 06:39 |
| SDuensin | YAA!!!!!!!!!!!! | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | SD! | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Stop that | 06:40 |
| SDuensin | :) | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you scared me | 06:40 |
| SDuensin | Dude. I broke it. I even followed the instructions. | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Que pasa, amiguito? | 06:40 |
| SDuensin | I did this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configuring-webgui-for-ssl-https | 06:40 |
| SDuensin | But the SSL protected pages create a redirect loop that I can't find. | 06:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11347 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm): | 06:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Fix two bugs with edit branch. One for creating the metadata field forms, | 06:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: and another in processing them. | 06:42 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11348 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm): Fix list-type metadata form generation for Edit Branch. | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | can you login to your site? | 06:42 |
| SDuensin | I turned off SSL login before I got locked out. :-) | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | if you go to any page setup for SSL, it just sits and spins? | 06:43 |
| SDuensin | I get an error from the browser. | 06:43 |
| SDuensin | Safari says: Too many redirects occurred trying to open ?https://www.jaegertech.net/employee?. | 06:44 |
| SDuensin | Firefox is similar, but more geeky. | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | log files? | 06:44 |
| SDuensin | I don't see anything. DOH! I need to set the redirect log level to something other than 0. I hate when I'm stupid! | 06:45 |
| topsub | something with 7.5.27 doesnt like upgrading assetproxys or something | 06:49 |
| SDuensin | Does this gibberish mean much to you? http://jaeger.pastebin.com/f313d1f85 | 06:49 |
| topsub | i mean 7.6.25 to 7.6.27 | 06:50 |
| SDuensin | What'd it do, topsub? I just upgraded from .23 to .27 tonight. | 06:50 |
| topsub | i had asset proxys and short cuts and doing sql reports w/ thingy and it seems to all break | 06:51 |
| topsub | no errors during upgrade | 06:51 |
| topsub | everythign went perfect | 06:51 |
| topsub | shortcuts i had that worked now don't w/ error log saying can't find object | 06:51 |
| topsub | so its werid | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to upgrade to 7.5.40 first, topsub | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | then you can go to 7.6.bugFixed | 06:54 |
| topsub | in my log i get "unable to process macro 'AssetProxy': Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::User" | 06:54 |
| SDuensin | [22:50] <topsub> i mean 7.6.25 to 7.6.27 | 06:54 |
| topsub | iit went to 7.6.25 to 7.6.26 .. then 7.6.26 to 7.6.27 | 06:55 |
| topsub | guess i need to go back to 7.6.25 | 06:57 |
| topsub | not sure whats up | 06:57 |
| topsub | in my log i get "unable to process macro 'AssetProxy': Can't locate object method "get" via package "WebGUI::User at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm line 448" | 06:58 |
| topsub | hmm | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | whoops, sorry. I read that as 7.5.27 | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a reported (and fixed) bug | 06:58 |
| topsub | ah. ya just .02 behind | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | should be coming out fixed on Tuesday | 06:59 |
| topsub | oh ugh.. so should i go back to 7.5.25 for now | 06:59 |
| topsub | and upgrade next week? | 06:59 |
| SDuensin | "fixed" as in the shortcuts will come back | 07:00 |
| SDuensin | ? | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | fixed as in they'll work again as expected | 07:00 |
| topsub | is ita quick bug fix | 07:00 |
| topsub | or should i go back to my old version till next week? | 07:00 |
| SDuensin | cool | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | let me track down a SVN commit number for you, topsub | 07:00 |
| * SDuensin will just wait | 07:01 | |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=11270 | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, that's definitely looping | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you could try that one out on the forum | 07:04 |
| SDuensin | My templates keep changing, so I used the latest WRE template and updated my config. | 07:04 |
| topsub | perlDreamer, awesome that seems to work | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good, because that's the bug fix that's coming out this week ;) | 07:05 |
| topsub | hehe | 07:05 |
| topsub | well i tested it live | 07:05 |
| topsub | saw webgui shortcuts nto work | 07:05 |
| topsub | and then work | 07:05 |
| topsub | ahha | 07:05 |
| topsub | thinking of just launching my site | 07:06 |
| topsub | haha | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | www.topsub.com? | 07:06 |
| topsub | http://staging.designbyklein.com/ | 07:06 |
| topsub | new portfolio site | 07:06 |
| topsub | still have work to do | 07:06 |
| topsub | but this is in WebGUI | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | very nice | 07:06 |
| topsub | using thingy for my portfolio w/ custom sql reports to filter thingy | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I just launched a new website. | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | auxiliary website from perldreamer.com | 07:07 |
| SDuensin | Wow. Looks great. | 07:07 |
| topsub | i want to write some modrewrite for sql reports | 07:07 |
| topsub | thanks! | 07:07 |
| topsub | little picky things i want to fxi | 07:07 |
| topsub | but like it more then my old one | 07:08 |
| topsub | need to add content | 07:08 |
| SDuensin | My sites look terrible. | 07:08 |
| topsub | like if you go to my services page | 07:08 |
| topsub | you will see examples that relate | 07:08 |
| topsub | that using sql reports that query thingy | 07:08 |
| topsub | is there docs anywere that say how you can buy thingy rows? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I know of | 07:10 |
| topsub | hmm ... haha | 07:10 |
| topsub | i'm on beta going to see if i can figure it out | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Asset::Sku::ThingyRow | 07:11 |
| SDuensin | Ok, Spectre is trying to run jobs for a site I deleted. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | did you restart spectre after deleting the site? | 07:11 |
| SDuensin | Oh. Maybe not. | 07:11 |
| SDuensin | Also got a job failing fetching syndicated content. How can I delete it? | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | find out which syndicated content is failing, and change/delete the URL in it | 07:12 |
| SDuensin | ? | 07:12 |
| topsub | anyone here good with rewrite rules? | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it lists the assetId of the SC asset which is failing? | 07:12 |
| SDuensin | I think so. Just find it in the asset manager? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. Either that, or look up the URL based on the assetId. | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it really isn't fair to just post assetIds for bugs like that | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I've started adding URLs, too, but that's only in 7.7 | 07:14 |
| SDuensin | I don't quite follow what the URL will do for me. | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you know which feed the SC is dying on | 07:15 |
| SDuensin | Trying to work that out now. | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | once you know which SC contains that URL, you can alter it so it starts working, or just delete it. | 07:15 |
| SDuensin | Ah, ok, THAT's the URL you mean. No, I don't see that being reported anywhere. | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! Just fixed a bug in some javascript. | 07:16 |
| topsub | in YUI? | 07:16 |
| topsub | or just raw javascript? | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | just raw javascript | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the localized this problem | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | above a sub, there is this.holder = object; | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | then it tries to build a call back | 07:17 |
| SDuensin | I got a bad feeling about this error. It's erroring parsing JSON. At offset 65535. Anyone see a magic number there? | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | this.callback = function { this.holder = newObject } | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | except inside the function "this" means something different than outside it | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | because "this" is localized | 07:17 |
| topsub | wow | 07:17 |
| topsub | haha | 07:18 |
| topsub | wouldn't of thought that | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ++patspam for recommending JavaScript, The Good Parts | 07:18 |
| SDuensin | Short book, eh? | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | very short book | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | very consise | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | I don't think it's my content that's the problem. | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | I just checked all the URLs and they return just fine. | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | (They're all generated by WebGUI!) | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - http://jaeger.pastebin.com/m6033d8a6 | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's not the real problem. | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what is that workflow activity? SWHs3shndnc8LuLpmLeeNw | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it do? | 07:23 |
| SDuensin | It's that 65553 that caught my eye. | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's JSON having a tizzy fit | 07:23 |
| SDuensin | Ah | 07:23 |
| +patspam | hi guys! | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam! howdy, dude. | 07:24 |
| topsub | hi patspam! | 07:24 |
| SDuensin | Hey patspam | 07:24 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - how the hell do I find SWHs3shndnc8LuLpmLeeNw ? | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hm SWHs3shndnc8LuLpmLeeNw is Update Calendar Feeds | 07:24 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea? Looking again. | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | select activityId, title from WorkflowActivity; | 07:25 |
| +patspam | have you guys met Bennollo yet? he's based in Melbourne | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Bennollo has been quiet since I've been in channel | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe it's time for the Australia WebGUI Association to take effect | 07:26 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - Well, that explains why I couldn't find it. :-P | 07:26 |
| +patspam | someday i hope :) | 07:26 |
| SDuensin | Both feed URLs answer. Looking inside. | 07:26 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: so a day after implementing r11319 (shrinks Survey JSON data by removing redundant properties).. | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes? | 07:28 |
| +patspam | what I had basically done was implement a very primitive JSON compress | 07:28 |
| +patspam | but why don't we just gzip all JSON data? | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | speed vs size trade-off ? | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how much slower it would be to compress/decompress data | 07:30 |
| +patspam | yeah.. I guess with my implementation you gain on the json parsing time too because there's less data in the json hash | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in reality, there's no more than 500 bytes to 10K worth of data thought | 07:30 |
| +patspam | my survey instance is 500k | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 07:31 |
| +patspam | used to be 1mb until i implemented that fix | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | good savings! | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I've got a good one, too. | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I was really enjoying the new webgui.org layout | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | until I went to the helpdesk | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the new fixed width layout cuts off all the AJAX controls for working with bugs | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | like "Mark as Resolved" | 07:31 |
| +patspam | oh joy | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and "Assign to preaction" | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and "Beg for help from Graham" | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | those were my favorite buttons | 07:32 |
| +patspam | could be deliberate :) | 07:32 |
| +perlDreamer | 500K seems like a big survey. That includes response data? | 07:33 |
| +patspam | no | 07:33 |
| +patspam | it's a massive survey though, 500+ questions | 07:33 |
| +patspam | a lot of the size now is due to branch expressions | 07:33 |
| SDuensin | Ok, I finally got connected to my database. Sheesh. | 07:34 |
| SDuensin | Is it safe to delete the errored entries from WorkflowInstance? | 07:35 |
| topsub | woot! wrote it! RewriteRule ^/portfolio/detail/([^/.]+)$ /portfolio/detail?p=$1 | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:36 |
| SDuensin | topsub - Good, now fix my SSL rewrites. :-P | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but be sure to shutdown spectre first | 07:36 |
| SDuensin | ko | 07:36 |
| topsub | SDuensin, wrote down what happens cuz i need to install SSL on my server also | 07:36 |
| topsub | maybe i will just hire you to do it.. haha | 07:36 |
| SDuensin | I followed the instructions and broke it. :-) | 07:36 |
| topsub | lol.. oops | 07:37 |
| * perlDreamer needs to go to bed | 07:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | 'night all | 07:37 |
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| SDuensin | topsub - I did this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configuring-webgui-for-ssl-https | 07:39 |
| SDuensin | Ok, bulk of my errors are gone. I'm going to bed. I'll be back tomorrow! Night all! | 07:40 |
| topsub | bye | 07:40 |
| SDuensin | Or maybe I'm not going to bed. | 08:04 |
| topsub | haha | 08:13 |
| SDuensin | Found this... When I try and hit the HTTPS pages, I get an error in the log about a missing "BackToSite" macro. | 08:14 |
| topsub | werid | 08:14 |
| SDuensin | Trying to find it now. | 08:14 |
| SDuensin | Well, I added the macro and it still doesn't work. | 08:23 |
| topsub | ugh | 08:26 |
| topsub | restart everything | 08:26 |
| topsub | clear cache? | 08:26 |
| SDuensin | Been there, done that. | 08:26 |
| topsub | haha | 08:26 |
| topsub | just throwing it out there | 08:26 |
| SDuensin | The conf could be missing anything. :-( | 08:28 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11349 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Minor bugfixes/tweaks to Survey | 10:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11350 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #10565: Survey: add question doing double-create | 10:23 |
| +SynQ | I spy with my little eye a new webgui.org | 10:47 |
| +SynQ | with stockfotos | 10:47 |
| +SynQ | now if only it would be a little faster | 10:51 |
| +patspam | and broken css | 10:52 |
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| topsub | I have main navigation, When its on that page it highlights it, but when we go into a sub page under it, the highlight goes away, is there a way to keep it highlighted when its on sub pages?.. if that makes sense | 16:54 |
| ryuu_ro | i thought you could do something with page.isParent | 16:59 |
| topsub | let me check. if not i was going to do 5 style tempalte | 16:59 |
| topsub | which would be a pain | 17:00 |
| ryuu_ro | true :) | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | you prolly want to use isBranchRoot or somethjing like that | 17:01 |
| topsub | hmm.. What do you mean? | 17:02 |
| topsub | the isParent works except with the home page filtering down | 17:03 |
| topsub | but i will change up the nav a little to not include the home page | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | is parent only works when your pagedpeth is max 1 below main | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | is barnchroot will be true for the root f your branch regarldless how deep you're in it | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | learning to type could be helpfull..... | 17:04 |
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| topsub | so maybei could do if page.Depthis1 then check isparent? | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | huh | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | why do you want to do thta? | 17:06 |
| topsub | If i have my home page in the nav loop | 17:07 |
| topsub | it wouldn't activate the home page when i go to services or something | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so your structure is: | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | home -> main1 -> subpg's | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | -> main2 -> subpg's | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:08 |
| topsub | home.. then under home i have 4 pages | 17:09 |
| topsub | yes | 17:10 |
| topsub | when i go to main1.. right now Home and main1 are active | 17:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | so what you need is something like | 17:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | <tmpl_if page.isCurrent> || <tmpl_if page.isBranchRoot> | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh wait | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can do it easier | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | try the thing i said above | 17:13 |
| topsub | sor emove isParent? | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | to make everything more handy, you could make the main pages under home, home's siblings | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | just create a hidden container page | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | and put home, portfolio etc. under that | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | than, you can trigger on isInBranch | 17:15 |
| topsub | got it.. | 17:22 |
| topsub | <tmpl_if page.isTopOfBranch><tmpl_if page.isCurrent>id="current"</tmpl_if><tmpl_else><tmpl_if page.isCurrent>id="current"</tmpl_if><tmpl_if page.isParent>id="current" </tmpl_if></tmpl_if> | 17:22 |
| topsub | and this nav object has the home page in the loop | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:25 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sno * r11351 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm: Add a method which will "do the right thing" when the existence of the desired Crud table may be in question. | 17:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: sno * r11352 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Macro/ConvertUTCToTZ.pm etc/WebGUI.conf.original): | 17:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Macro for converting UTC stored dates from SQL Reports to user or developer formatted date-time timezone text. | 17:54 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: w | 17:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, everybody! | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | hey perlDreamer! | 18:04 |
| @preaction | i'm at YAPC! where are you? | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | At home | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you having fun? | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Soaking up the grassroots perl culture? | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I found a funny workaround to the rendering bug on webgui.org with the bug board | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I use Firebug to manually write the width of the div wider, so the editing controls on tickets are exposed | 18:06 |
| @preaction | ha, nice | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, only 1 vote so far on the poll on webgui.org | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it would prolly help if the poll would be findable | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:12 |
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| @plainhao | perlDreamer, were you able to shrink the table width instead? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | plainhao, I didn't try that | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, lots of nested tables | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | set the width on the top one to 75%, it didn't help | 18:21 |
| @plainhao | i tried 700px, didn't work for me | 18:21 |
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| @plainhao | i must be missing something | 18:22 |
| elnino | you've been busy iwth the new web site! - but...is it me or is the new site slow? | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I set the width on wginternalright | 18:26 |
| elnino | opps I got a 500 internal error now... | 18:27 |
| elnino | must be having problems. I'll come back. | 18:27 |
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| @tavisto | interesting.. just got an email from aewhale asking for a quote on getting Paypal into WebGUI 7.7. :) | 18:31 |
| elnino | ask for lots of money. | 18:31 |
| @tavisto | let's see..... how much should I charge him for this to happen? hehe | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | don't forget that there are several methods of PayPal | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | we only have 1 of them right now | 18:32 |
| elnino | and it doesn't support reoccuring yet that I know ofi. | 18:32 |
| @tavisto | methods meaning... recurring vs | 18:32 |
| elnino | s/ofi/of | 18:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | no, the current driver is labeled "standard" | 18:33 |
| elnino | and then there is "pro" | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, so it might be a poorly written email. | 18:34 |
| elnino | and I think "express" is another one. | 18:34 |
| @tavisto | alright, so this driver only supports single 1-up purchases correct | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | I did try out the beta a few weeks ago and saw it as a payment option | 18:35 |
| elnino | I dont' know.. I haven't used it yet... =) soon tho! | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, on your become user bug, have you tried it on a demo site? 7.5.xx is kind of old and crufty | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try it again on my dev site with your additional steps | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and thanks for the feedback! | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that really helps | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it works on 7.7... | 18:38 |
| @tavisto | hmm... webgui.org just went bubeye | 18:42 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, what did I tell you about pushing that red button | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it was only firebug, tavisto! | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I promise | 18:43 |
| @tavisto | well son of a bee | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, working fine on 7.6, too. | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | are you running any custom code? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hand backported bug fixes? | 18:44 |
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| elnino | nope, I do have 7.6.27 - is that what the demo is? | 18:50 |
| elnino | I'll look in the logs.. but not at this moment... I'll let you know... | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I see. Your bug report says 7.5.27 | 18:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, it seems to be back up now | 18:55 |
| @tavisto | yep I noticed that too | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you fix it? | 18:55 |
| @tavisto | well I made a bunch of configuration changes to the wre and recompiled a bunch of perl code | 18:58 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 18:58 |
| @tavisto | as doug bell is famous for saying.... "I'm waiting for my perl code to compile" | 18:59 |
| @tavisto | ok um now I see a WebGUI maintenance screen I've never seen before | 19:00 |
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| elnino | perlDreamers... oops. let me double check... | 19:03 |
| elnino | I stayed up late upgrading it to *something* =) | 19:03 |
| elnino | 7.6.27-stable | 19:04 |
| elnino | I see a maintainance screen on webgui.org too. | 19:04 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, I have 7.6.27-stable | 19:04 |
| * elnino looking at logs. | 19:05 | |
| elnino | logs are zero length. | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | all of them? | 19:05 |
| elnino | yep. which is weird. | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 19:06 |
| elnino | dated 6/16 when I upgraded I believe.. | 19:06 |
| elnino | yep. Same day. | 19:07 |
| * elnino restarting web and spectre | 19:08 | |
| * elnino getting errors now in he logs =) | 19:09 | |
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| elnino | Haarg: this is back: [Mon Jun 22 09:08:54 2009] [error] [client 66.240.210.87] failed to resolve handler `Apache2::SizeLimit': Attempt to reload Apache2/SizeLimit.pm aborted.\nCompilation failed in require at (eval 1095) line 3.\n | 19:09 |
| @Haarg | since you aren't loading the module in the modperl.pl file, you should comment out the line in the modperl.conf file | 19:10 |
| elnino | oh. | 19:10 |
| elnino | ok | 19:10 |
| elnino | this line: PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit | 19:11 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:12 |
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| @Haarg | alternatively you could try to get that module to load | 19:12 |
| elnino | ? - done. | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | but if the Smaps library won't load i don't think SizeLimit will work properly anyway | 19:13 |
| elnino | I did at the time of the upgrade, and updated the bug report. | 19:13 |
| elnino | It didn't work. | 19:13 |
| elnino | tried it with smaps and without. | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | iirc the thing we tried to turn off smaps didn't work correctly | 19:14 |
| elnino | holdon, I'm trying something for perlDreamer... | 19:15 |
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| elnino | perlDreamer, nothing in the logs when I created a user (following my same steps) | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, that's just strange | 19:22 |
| elnino | were you able to duplicate? | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | everything works as expected on my dev sites | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and on the demo site as well | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have some spare time, would you please try a demo server? | 19:23 |
| elnino | I will. | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks | 19:28 |
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| elnino | Haarg - http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10502 see 6/16 comments. I tried uncommenting the line you wanted me to comment, and I got the same errors as before when you started helping me. Let me know i fyou have questions. | 19:29 |
| * perlDreamer will be gone for about 4 hours. Kathy's first day of school is today, so we're taking her downtown. | 19:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'll backlog for any unfinished conversations | 19:32 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, I can't duplicate on the demo site. | 19:32 |
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| topsub | Sup everyone | 22:43 |
| topsub | quiet today | 22:43 |
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| @tavisto | very quiet | 23:08 |
| @tavisto | doug and graham headed to YAPC | 23:08 |
| @tavisto | rest of us working on the upgrade for PB & WG sites.... or catching up from being at a trade show all last week | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | trade show? | 23:24 |
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| @tavisto | I was at EduComm 2009 all last week with Kristi | 23:31 |
| +BartJol | and, was it nice? | 23:31 |
| +BartJol | some attention for WebGUI | 23:31 |
| +BartJol | ? | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, BartJol! | 23:37 |
| +BartJol | hi!, done destroing floors fot today | 23:37 |
| +BartJol | still a bit stif from sailing (again) | 23:38 |
| +BartJol | so how you're doing perlDreamer | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Doing okay. | 23:38 |
| +BartJol | do you actually have dreams about perl? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | only about writing perl | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and they came true | 23:39 |
| +BartJol | that's good (as long as you don't considered them nightmares) | 23:39 |
| +BartJol | and of course I am still flabbergasted by the new webgui.otrg style | 23:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Is "flabbergasted" good? | 23:42 |
| +BartJol | it is | 23:42 |
| +BartJol | but a bit gettinfg used to where the links are | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep wanting to read that as German and thinking ghost fat | 23:42 |
| +BartJol | and I do not see all the forums in 1 view | 23:42 |
| +BartJol | the "discuss" link was one of the links I used the most often | 23:45 |
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| +BartJol | the separation between the different sections is ok, but the /forums page was convenient | 23:50 |
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| * perlDreamer agrees | 00:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | let's stage a protest | 00:09 |
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| elnino | did they really split up the wiki too? | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of looks like it | 00:10 |
| elnino | I didn't want to look... | 00:10 |
| +BartJol | protest seems a bit big word | 00:10 |
| elnino | =( | 00:10 |
| +BartJol | I like to call it a RFE | 00:11 |
| +BartJol | if there are good reasons to split, maybe a apge with an overview can be made | 00:12 |
| +BartJol | let's bug pb guys with it | 00:12 |
| +BartJol | well it was announced | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the split of the wiki and forums? | 00:34 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | what does SynQ say? | 00:34 |
| +BartJol | in jt's original post | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | a while ago when he announced they were working on it | 00:35 |
| +BartJol | ha\ven't spoken him about it yet | 00:35 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: http://www.webgui.org/web_design_templates_and_themes/webgui-site-redesign#BnRHe0z-xhRFB09woUhDRQ | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, looks like some guy named perlDreamer said the same thing back then, too | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | who's that? | 00:40 |
| +BartJol | probably some guy that never does something usefull for community ;) | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, what a loser | 00:41 |
| +BartJol | tabitha made some comment that it would be more like you suggest | 00:43 |
| +BartJol | but alas | 00:43 |
| +SynQ | perlDreamer: what do I say about what? | 00:44 |
| +BartJol | the new forum | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | What is your opinion on the new site design? | 00:44 |
| +SynQ | I haven't been able to form an opinion | 00:45 |
| +SynQ | the site is not responsive enough to do so | 00:45 |
| +BartJol | and lately SynQ has been in a german "camp" | 00:46 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 00:46 |
| +SynQ | I'm going to sleep now | 00:46 |
| +BartJol | was it nice? | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | like an internment camp? | 00:46 |
| +SynQ | maybe catch you tomorrow | 00:46 |
| +BartJol | zarafa | 00:46 |
| +SynQ | www.zarafa.com | 00:47 |
| +BartJol | slaap lekker | 00:47 |
| +SynQ | nite | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know who lekker is, but slaapping him is not nice | 00:49 |
| +BartJol | :) it means sleep well | 00:52 |
| hansw | wel trusten :-) | 00:54 |
| hansw | oder gute nacht wie wir es sagen | 00:54 |
| +BartJol | hey hansw, good night | 00:56 |
| hansw | :-) | 00:56 |
| hansw | BartJol, people seem to like webgui at piramide now | 00:56 |
| +BartJol | perlDreamer: I made a post with yours as a reference | 00:56 |
| +BartJol | hansw: good | 00:57 |
| hansw | BartJol, will update it to 7.x in a few months, and will code some backoffice stuff for them | 00:57 |
| +BartJol | cool | 00:57 |
| hansw | maybe try to convince them to open source it when possible | 00:58 |
| +BartJol | well, if you need some help, you know where to find me | 00:58 |
| +BartJol | it can be put in tghe bazaar | 00:58 |
| hansw | will keep it in mind, maybe need to get familiar with the api | 00:58 |
| +BartJol | if it is not core material | 00:58 |
| hansw | not for starters | 00:59 |
| +BartJol | that's a good idea | 00:59 |
| +BartJol | well, some macros are easily made | 00:59 |
| hansw | yeah, I've seen | 00:59 |
| +BartJol | that is a good start | 00:59 |
| hansw | ok, need some sleep first | 01:00 |
| hansw | sleep well all | 01:00 |
| +BartJol | workflows or operations tahe a bit more | 01:00 |
| +BartJol | merci | 01:00 |
| hansw | will read about it before I start :-) | 01:00 |
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| +BartJol | well it looks like it's Dutch guys sleepy time | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, Dutch guy | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Slaap some likker | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | or Slurp some likker | 01:07 |
| +BartJol | sure | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | which ever | 01:07 |
| +BartJol | I'll try | 01:07 |
| +BartJol | when I know what it means | 01:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | likker is the common English misspelling of liquor | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | whoops, too late | 01:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction! How was YAPC day 1? | 01:41 |
| @preaction | quite nice, some very very very awesome things happening in the testing world that i desperately want to implement for WebGUI | 01:41 |
| @preaction | Dist::Zilla is nice | 01:42 |
| @preaction | and mod_perl6 is coming along nicely as well | 01:42 |
| @preaction | Test::A8 | 01:42 |
| @preaction | er... Test::A8N and Test::FITesque | 01:42 |
| @preaction | A8N lets you write a test in YAML | 01:42 |
| @preaction | so in other words, lets non-programmers write tests | 01:42 |
| @preaction | it's for integration/front-end testing | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds good | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but keep them out of my API! | 01:43 |
| @preaction | but also for "sunny day" testing (i.e. what happens when things go right) | 01:43 |
| @preaction | so I, as the designer, can write sunny day tests, and then the implementer fills the tests up | 01:43 |
| @preaction | then the implementer can write the unit tests | 01:44 |
| @preaction | and then the QA department can write the rainy day tests against the edge cases and the error messages | 01:44 |
| @preaction | so it's procedurizing the test writing in every step | 01:44 |
| @preaction | plus, my first funny story from YAPC: | 01:45 |
| @preaction | Graham and I were walking down the street to get to the Arrival Dinner (at a nice pub with food), and we see a tall lanky guy with a bushy mustache and a cowboy hat across the street. | 01:45 |
| @preaction | We looked rather lost, so he comes over to us and asks us "You guys looking for the pub? It's over that way" and he pointed to where we needed to go. | 01:46 |
| @preaction | We thanked him and went on our merry way, but I had a flash of recognition. | 01:46 |
| @preaction | "Graham, that was Larry Wall" | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! | 01:47 |
| @preaction | Sure enough, when the same guy went up to do Larry's keynote, it was confirmed ;) | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never met him, but he's seems like an awfully nice guy. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | What was this year's keynote? | 01:47 |
| @preaction | he did a talk about the errors that Perl 5 devs will run into in Perl 6, and showed what Perl 6 will tell them | 01:48 |
| @preaction | Perl 6 is really nice about Perl5-isms and saying "Yeah, you should do that THIS way now." | 01:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | is this by spec, or implemented in Rakudo? | 01:51 |
| @preaction | implemented in Rakudo | 01:51 |
| @preaction | they're errors, but the friendly message is all Rakudo | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a ton of fun, preaction | 02:05 |
| @preaction | it is indeed. there was even a nice meet-and-greet for the first-YAPC timers | 02:06 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm: De-scaleed a POD typo. | 02:08 |
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| SDuensin | Whoo hoo! I have power again! | 02:17 |
| @preaction | wooo hoo! | 02:17 |
| SDuensin | Now to try and fix my web server. Again. | 02:17 |
| SDuensin | preaction - you an SSL/WebGUI expert by chance? (And, yes, I read the instructions!) | 02:24 |
| @preaction | i know a bit about a bit | 02:24 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 02:24 |
| perlbot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. | 02:24 |
| SDuensin | I seem to have a loop: http://jaeger.pastebin.com/f313d1f85 | 02:25 |
| SDuensin | I'm using the modproxy config from the latest WRE (the one in the setupfiles folder). | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: everyone asks you first because you're grumpy | 02:26 |
| @preaction | did you change any rules? pastebin the config please | 02:26 |
| SDuensin | Pasting. | 02:26 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: harrumph | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | see what I mean! | 02:27 |
| SDuensin | Well, perlDreamer is leaving out that he couldn't fix it last night. :-P | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | IRC won't let me change my name to IDoNotKnowSSL because it's already taken | 02:27 |
| @preaction | this isn't an SSL problem i suspect, looks like a rewrite problem | 02:27 |
| * SDuensin loves "pastebinit" | 02:28 | |
| SDuensin | http://jaeger.pastebin.com/f3c656ee5 | 02:28 |
| SDuensin | Oh, and FYI, the SSL "Listen" and "VirtualHost" lines have "*" instead of an IP. Works the same either way (which is to say, it's still broken). | 02:31 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: is this the only SSL on your system? | 02:32 |
| SDuensin | Yes. | 02:32 |
| @preaction | do you have a NameVirtualHost *:443 in your modproxy.conf file? (data/wre/etc/modproxy.conf) | 02:32 |
| SDuensin | Looking. | 02:33 |
| SDuensin | No. | 02:33 |
| @preaction | you'll need one | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what's pastebinit? | 02:33 |
| SDuensin | Hmm. Need to update the wiki with that (if it works). | 02:33 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - something I installed in Ubuntu to allow me to paste files from the command line. | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like nopaste | 02:34 |
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| SDuensin | Still too many redirects. :-( | 02:36 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11354 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Removed debug line | 02:38 |
| SDuensin | Here's what I followed to set this up: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configuring-webgui-for-ssl-https | 02:39 |
| @preaction | Haarg: http://jaeger.pastebin.com/f3c656ee5 | 02:40 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: could you also paste the www.jagertech.net.modperl file? | 02:41 |
| SDuensin | Sure. | 02:41 |
| SDuensin | http://jaeger.pastebin.com/f5f9243d8 | 02:42 |
| @preaction | we're doing all this because neither me nor graham have found the problem yet | 02:42 |
| SDuensin | :-D | 02:44 |
| @preaction | SetEnvIf SSLPROXY "1" \ | 02:44 |
| @preaction | SSLPROXY | 02:44 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: you're missing those lines in your .modperl file | 02:45 |
| @preaction | so it's WebGUI that's causing the redirect loop | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah ha! | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | Nobody told me to add them. :-) | 02:45 |
| @preaction | thank Haarg for that one, I wouldn't have noticed it | 02:45 |
| @preaction | SDuensin: update the wiki then plzkthx | 02:45 |
| SDuensin | willdokthx | 02:45 |
| * SDuensin cheers! Thanks gang! | 02:47 | |
| * perlDreamer has to go get Kathy, bbs | 02:51 | |
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| SDuensin | Oh crap. | 02:55 |
| SDuensin | I made a nice note for the wiki and after I saved it, I see that the formatting gets completely mangled. :-( | 02:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | so I take it the wireless is of questionable quality at YAPC? | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting to think that preaction and Haarg are sending us morse code messages via their channel entry and exits | 03:17 |
| @preaction | no, we're just closing/opening our laptops often | 03:17 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking of setting myself up an IRC proxy or something | 03:18 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11355 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix bugs with resizing photos on upload. | 03:23 |
| +perlDreamer | boy, webgui.org's slow | 03:25 |
| SDuensin | I noticed. | 03:25 |
| SDuensin | :-( | 03:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino_: ping | 03:27 |
| +perlDreamer | nm, I'll send you a message via the bug board. | 03:28 |
| elnino_ | perlDreamer I'm here briefly. | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you made the RFE for the CS RSS feeds, so I went ahead and closed the bug | 03:49 |
| +perlDreamer | also, we can look at your workflow code, because I think I know the problem there, too | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | could you paste it for review? | 03:50 |
| elnino_ | I updated http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10557 | 03:50 |
| elnino_ | I'll be back in a few minutes.. Hopefully that helps.... | 03:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that helps a bunch! | 03:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a bug, alrighty | 03:53 |
| @preaction | yeah, we should create a new session to call the workflow | 03:55 |
| @preaction | but why become that user? | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so that user macros get processed as the user | 03:55 |
| @preaction | ah | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug was fixed in HEAD, but never backported | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | nice catch, elnino_! | 03:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: you read this bug yet? http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10574 | 04:02 |
| @preaction | no, but it seems legit | 04:04 |
| @preaction | the date picker should be at the date that is currently picked | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | if you add an event, it is seeded with today's date | 04:05 |
| @preaction | right | 04:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you click in the field, and ignore the dropdown, and change the date, the dropdown does not change. | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you think that's the gist of it? | 04:06 |
| @preaction | that might be | 04:07 |
| @preaction | i was thinking it was when you came back to edit the page | 04:07 |
| @preaction | but also there's an RFE for that date picker that would make it easier to use (and might cause this bug to be unnecessary) | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | which one is that? | 04:07 |
| @preaction | the one that lets you move across years quickly | 04:08 |
| @preaction | let me find | 04:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11356 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backport NotifyAboutUser original session user restoration. | 04:08 |
| @preaction | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10196 <- this one | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | well, let's do it then! | 04:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think it's what this guy is looking for, but it's good nonetheless | 04:11 |
| +perlDreamer | uh | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it works | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but no one will ever find it | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes the Month and Year a clickable button | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no visual indication of that | 04:13 |
| +perlDreamer | if I hadn't moused over it by accident, I wouldn't have even known it was there | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but still, it's worth having right now | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's way better than > > > > > > > > > > > > for 1 year :) | 04:14 |
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| @preaction_ | ha, i've got an ircproxy working now, tee hee | 04:20 |
| @preaction_ | preaction is "disconnected", but it looks like i'm connected to IRC | 04:20 |
| elnino_ | Thanks perlDreamer - so.. it sounds like I could actually have macros in the message of that activity? I wanted to email the new user's details to the administrator, but didn't know if ^@; would work. | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, preaction_: it's added to 7.6 and 7.7 | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll work, elnino_ | 04:21 |
| preaction | sweet, thanks much | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and the bug has been fixed | 04:21 |
| elnino_ | cool. | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | would you like a patch to fix it now, or would you rather wait 'til tomorrow for 7.6.28? | 04:22 |
| elnino_ | me? no that's fine. she doesn't create users, and I don't usualy either, I have no idea how I came across the bug... =) | 04:23 |
| elnino_ | Any other qustions about any other rfe/bugs I submitted? i'm cutting out earily. | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11357 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Enable better navigation in the YUI DatePicker. | 04:23 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11358 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting YUI DatePicker bug fix. | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm curious about the user profile bug now, but go ahead and call it a night | 04:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to sleep for two, now | 04:24 |
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| elnino_ | well, it's more like the computer is a distraction - I need to shut it off. I DESPIRATELY need to clean my office and finish some paper work. I'll be back.. =) | 04:26 |
| elnino_ | good nite all! | 04:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: the two datepickers for the start date and end date are entangled | 04:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if you set the date in the first, then click in the second it's seeded with the data from the first one | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and vice versa | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | heh | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because there aren't two datepickers | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's one that's being multiplexed | 04:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan, I might have a patch to try on the CDN upgrade bug. Do you have time to do that? | 04:47 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: sure, can you post it to my bug report? | 04:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do that right after this helpdesk fix is done | 04:48 |
| +cap10morgan | sounds good, thanks | 04:48 |
| +cap10morgan | brb... | 04:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to turn on Firebug to work around layout issues with the new site style | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and the JS bug reporting is giving me headaches | 04:49 |
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| topsub | operation repo 10pm.. woot.. haha | 04:58 |
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| SDuensin | Well, I tried searching the Bizarre Bazaar but I get a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable... I'm trying to find out what the WebGUI site uses for bug tracking. | 07:10 |
| SDuensin | The new WebGUI site look is very nice. However, finding things sucks. :-( | 07:19 |
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| topsub | sduensin, i agree but just takes time | 08:57 |
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| SynQ2 | 28 seconds before the page loads | 15:03 |
| SynQ2 | unworkable | 15:03 |
| SynQ2 | that is what it is | 15:03 |
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| SynQ2 | hmm | 15:06 |
| SynQ2 | Haarg: please fix it | 15:06 |
| SynQ2 | make it faster | 15:06 |
| @Haarg | heh | 15:08 |
| SynQ2 | www.webgui.org | 15:08 |
| SynQ2 | it takes more than 16 seconds from click to first byte | 15:09 |
| SynQ2 | that is unacceptable | 15:09 |
| SynQ2 | there must be something wrong | 15:09 |
| SynQ2 | perhaps it is in some kind of extreme debug mode with all caching off | 15:09 |
| SynQ2 | but my mobile phone could run the site faster then this ;) | 15:10 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 15:22 |
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| SynQ2 | still no difference | 16:02 |
| +Radix_ | YSlow: Grade: B Overall performance score 80Ruleset applied: YSlow(V2)URL: http://www.webgui.org/ | 16:07 |
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| +Radix_ | Having slow issues with ours atm.. for some reason mod_deflate isn't doing anything at all to any of our .js scripts in the version of wre/webgui we have at work | 16:08 |
| +Radix_ | YSlow: Grade D: Overall performance score 66Ruleset applied: YSlow(V2)URL: http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf | 16:09 |
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| SquOnk | BTW, webgui 7.6.27 is in Debian Sid | 16:17 |
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| SynQ2 | SquOnk: that is wonderfull news | 16:18 |
| SynQ2 | am I right that WebGUI 7.7 has to be stable before it can go into debian Sid? | 16:18 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Yes | 16:19 |
| SynQ2 | SquOnk: you have a linkedin invitation :) | 16:19 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Haven't gotten any today | 16:20 |
| SynQ2 | look again :P | 16:20 |
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| SquOnk | SynQ: Done | 16:24 |
| SynQ2 | thanks | 16:24 |
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| SynQ2 | SquOnk: is there not a way to get the 'beta' version of WebGUI into debian before it turns stable? | 16:28 |
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| SquOnk | SynQ: Having the stable and the beta version, means two packages. | 16:30 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 16:30 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Something like webgui and webgui-beta, and even webgui-svn | 16:31 |
| SynQ2 | from a WebGUI perspective it would be best if the 'beta' version was in SID | 16:31 |
| SynQ2 | and the stable version would be in the current stable | 16:31 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Once a package hits stable it does not change. | 16:31 |
| SynQ2 | not so for webgui | 16:31 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Say the next stable release for Debian gets 7.6.27 | 16:31 |
| SynQ2 | in other words: that doesn't match WebGUI's development profile | 16:32 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: ...then there's NO way 7.7 (or anything afterwards) gets _officially_ in Debian's stable. | 16:32 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: It's possible to get 7.6.28 and so as updates or security updates. | 16:32 |
| SynQ2 | so the only way to achieve that is to change WebGUI's version naming scheme? | 16:32 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: That's why I have a private repository so you can get the latest version | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Not really | 16:33 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: The question is whether or not a particular package works in stable or not. | 16:34 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: webgui_7.6.27 is in Sid, however it works in Lenny. | 16:34 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: So, "stable" (Lenny) doesn't "have" webgui, but you can get webgui from Sid. | 16:34 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: When Squeezy releases it will "have" webgui in whatever stable version was available at the time... | 16:34 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: ...but it will probably be able to use any version from Sid (or from my private repository, if needed) | 16:35 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Another reason to having only WebGUI stable releases is guaranteeing upgrades. | 16:36 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: When you do dist-upgrade, I have to make sure that you can go from one version to the other. Since the upgrade scripts have specific "starting points", having only stable versions make the upgrade scripts (the Debian ones) easier to write. | 16:37 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 16:37 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 16:38 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: My current efforts are towards automatic database creation on install | 16:38 |
| SynQ2 | I think it's impossible to actually 'use' webgui in that matter | 16:38 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: With a pretty debconf screen asking hostname, username, etc. thus generating the WebGUI.conf file for you. | 16:39 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: And, of course the alternative of "do nothing, I know what I'm doing and will do it myself" | 16:39 |
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| SynQ2 | that sounds very well | 16:40 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Yep | 16:40 |
| SynQ2 | but it's still very different to the way webgui is upgraded when you use the WRE | 16:40 |
| SquOnk | SynQ: Besides, I'm using dbconfig-common for that, and it already has translations for lots of languages... | 16:40 |
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| SquOnk | Has anybody looked at openlazslo? | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 19:09 |
| topsub | hello | 19:09 |
| @tavisto | okay.... so I just took my first sales call from a drunk guy today | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | oh boy | 19:10 |
| @tavisto | 50yr old retired IBM employee looking to launch a 50 million dollar project | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | well, he wants to use WebGUI, so he can't be all wrong | 19:10 |
| @tavisto | in the 15 minute call, he took two breaks to get a beer out of his fridge.... | 19:10 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Hey | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Howdy, SquOnk! | 19:10 |
| @tavisto | he lives in Key West, FL and actually knows his stuff when it comes to WebGUI. hehe | 19:10 |
| topsub | questin, i added a snippet and set the MME type to text/xml, when i view the page and try to edit it, it won't allow me to edit it, Its also looks like its pulling an older one that i deleted.. ANy ideas | 19:10 |
| topsub | hahaha tavisto | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub, try using the asset manager to edit it | 19:11 |
| topsub | when i see it in the asset manage and click edit, it takes me to viewing it but the url says.. /sitemap.xml?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets | 19:11 |
| topsub | i've emptyed my trash and cleared cache | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, sounds like a bug | 19:12 |
| topsub | its like soemthing is hanging | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | log file checks? | 19:12 |
| topsub | were i'm going now | 19:12 |
| topsub | have to start up vmware so i can ssh to the box.. haha | 19:12 |
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| topsub | ya no errors in anything | 19:57 |
| topsub | this is werid | 19:57 |
| topsub | .... | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | muy | 19:57 |
| topsub | maybe i see if i an get same thing to happen on demo | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | good idea | 19:58 |
| topsub | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1245774282_318/sitemap.xml?func=edit | 20:00 |
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| topsub | is that a built in url? | 20:00 |
| topsub | what is being displayed isn't whats in the file | 20:00 |
| topsub | if you go here.. http://demo.webgui.org/demo1245774282_318/ you will see whats in the file | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's really odd | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes it is | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | sitemap.xml is reserved | 20:03 |
| topsub | oo | 20:03 |
| topsub | how is it created | 20:03 |
| topsub | thats what google looks at | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Content/SiteMap.pm | 20:03 |
| topsub | but its bad beause it doesn't get all the pages | 20:03 |
| topsub | it needs to spider the site.. not the asset tree | 20:03 |
| topsub | it is missing pages | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | on the demo site, which pages is it missing? | 20:04 |
| topsub | i'm talking about mine | 20:05 |
| topsub | like all my portfolip ages | 20:05 |
| topsub | that i create from SQL reports | 20:05 |
| topsub | and thingy | 20:05 |
| topsub | it doesn't pick them up | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It only returns Layouts | 20:06 |
| topsub | ya but you want google to know about all your pages | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | without a bunch of work, WebGUI doesn't know whether an asset is a child of a page, or a standalone | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | so the SiteIndex only returns layouts | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have standalone SQL Report, try nesting it in a Layout as the only child | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and the URL will get picked up | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | If you don't want the built-in SiteIndex, then remove that contentHandler from your WebGUI config file | 20:08 |
| topsub | ah.. arlight | 20:08 |
| topsub | seems it has issue with editing .xml files | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no, if you name that something else, it should work fine | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, if the SiteIndex content handler is enabled, it shouldn't let you use that URL | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that is definitely a bug | 20:09 |
| @Haarg | although it is an issue that it allowed you to create the asset with that url | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, fixUrl should check to see if the SiteIndex contentHandler is being used, and then rename the asset if it is | 20:09 |
| topsub | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1245774282_318/google-sitemap.xml?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets | 20:10 |
| topsub | that doesn't work | 20:10 |
| @Haarg | SiteIndex takes over all urls ending with sitemap.xml | 20:12 |
| topsub | ... haha well | 20:12 |
| @preaction | http://search.cpan.org/~rkrimen/YUI-Loader-0.07/lib/YUI/Loader.pm <- we need to use this! | 20:36 |
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| topsub | i like how all the profile stuff pulls from 1 css file | 21:06 |
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| topsub | everything dealing with the account | 21:06 |
| topsub | you skin one tab and you did most of it | 21:06 |
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| @preaction | topsub: that's going to be the future of WG templates | 21:11 |
| * SquOnk wonders about DBIx::Class | 21:11 | |
| SquOnk | Random toughts :) | 21:11 |
| @preaction | we've got a template working group | 21:11 |
| @preaction | DBIx::Class, paul driver (frodwith) is experimenting with it | 21:11 |
| @preaction | but i'm wondering about KiokuDB | 21:11 |
| topsub | Only thing i see is when your in the profile / account pages, you don't have a title | 21:12 |
| @preaction | topsub: put it in the style template | 21:12 |
| topsub | have to hard code it? | 21:13 |
| SquOnk | If I make it to WUC, I'll show you all the nifty tricks that DBIx::Class gives away performance and deployment wise | 21:13 |
| topsub | all my other pages i set it in the title field | 21:13 |
| @preaction | SquOnk: sounds good, i'll look forward to it | 21:13 |
| SquOnk | KiokuDB is a nice idea, but it's not intended for large scale databases. It's lacking in the view/stored-procedure/hairy-query facilities. | 21:15 |
| SquOnk | ...now Moose and Mouse, those are great ideas though | 21:15 |
| * SquOnk is a CLOS junkie | 21:16 | |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm at YAPC right now, and Moose is The Big Thing | 21:16 |
| @preaction | and even now i'm starting to wonder if we shouldn't just start using it | 21:16 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Yes and no. | 21:16 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Yes, Webgui should move towards it. No, not as Webgui is right now. | 21:16 |
| SquOnk | preaction: But then again... it's a matter of time :) | 21:16 |
| @preaction | so Modern::WebGUI | 21:17 |
| @preaction | i'm highly interested in writing a Modern::WebGUI::Asset or something ;) | 21:17 |
| SquOnk | My programming interest are not focused in Webgui (or Perl, for that matter) right now... | 21:18 |
| SquOnk | I'm just hacking enough Perl to keep my business running, but not for new developments. | 21:20 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11359 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Remove inline JS from the Date and DateTime forms by putting the user's firstDayOfWeek preference | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: into the getWebuiProps. | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11360 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/datepicker/datepicker.js: Forgot the JS from previous commit. | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11361 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: If adding an asset is added to another asset with an open version tag, put the | 22:44 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: new asset in that version tag, too. | 22:44 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11362 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Backporting asset into parents open version tag fix. | 22:58 |
| topsub | is there any like webgui icons or anything we can use? | 22:59 |
| topsub | ha Foudn them | 22:59 |
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| Mech422 | hi all | 23:54 |
| Mech422 | SynQ: ping ? | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: I'm building a new wG instance and wondered if the 7.7.11 beta includes the story manager stuff ? | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | story manager has been in since .6, IIRC | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so yes :) | 00:00 |
| Mech422 | cool :-) | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | .12 will include some Story bug fixes | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it comes out on thursday | 00:00 |
| @preaction | i finally heard someone mention WebGUI today, even if it was detrimental | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | what? | 00:00 |
| Mech422 | oh nice | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | who's bad mouthing us? | 00:00 |
| Mech422 | preaction: ? | 00:00 |
| @preaction | we suffer from the "Not Invented Here" syndrome | 00:01 |
| @preaction | no, not bad-mouthing, truth-mouthing | 00:01 |
| @preaction | specifically SQL.pm is a big one, considering how old it is (before DBI had a nicer interface) | 00:01 |
| * perlDreamer is not in the proper mood for objectivity today | 00:02 | |
| Mech422 | in the more fun stuff category... | 00:02 |
| @preaction | apologies, i'm just happy that someone besides us talked about webgui in a talk | 00:02 |
| Mech422 | I've got a decent amount of my idea of a build system fleshed out - anyone care to listen/comment ? | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not your fault preaction | 00:03 |
| Mech422 | (I wanted to run it by synq but I guess he's gone to bed... ) | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | the bug list is growing | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | waiting for feedback on multiple bugs | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | i've been stumped by 4/5 bugs today | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and my kids are running crazy | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to go run an errand, I'll be back in a bit | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: hang in there :-) | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | preaction: got a few minutes ? | 00:04 |
| @preaction | what you need/ | 00:04 |
| Mech422 | just an ear and some criticism's/suggestions | 00:04 |
| @preaction | i can try | 00:05 |
| Mech422 | I started redoing build based around 3 dirs : archives (tar files), recipes (scripts to build pieces), and build (where everything gets build) | 00:05 |
| Mech422 | and 3 main files: driver (produces a list of packages, processes command line options etc) | 00:06 |
| Mech422 | package.list - contains an ordered list of scripts in the recipes dir to be run to build the system | 00:06 |
| Mech422 | recipies - small scriptlets that now how to download, unpack build and install a single package | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | so you can do stuff like: | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | driver.sh -start a -end z download - download all packages between a and z inclusive | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | or driver.sh build a b c d e - download, unpack, and build packages a b c d and e | 00:08 |
| Mech422 | download is a seperate stetp so you dont have to keep downloading stuff off hte net every build | 00:08 |
| Mech422 | anyway - were there any other features you need or problems you forsee ? | 00:09 |
| @preaction | so "build" will see if you need to download and if so, will download for you | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | no - build will bomb if its not there ('update' will actually do the download) | 00:09 |
| @preaction | package.list needing continual update seems problematic | 00:09 |
| @preaction | ah | 00:09 |
| Mech422 | preaction: eh - its easier to add 1 line to package.list then to modify the existing script when you add a new package? | 00:10 |
| @preaction | okay, it's relatively easier yes | 00:10 |
| Mech422 | I could force the names in recipes to be encoded in 'build' order and remove packages.list | 00:10 |
| Mech422 | 01_apache 02_mysql etc etc | 00:10 |
| Mech422 | but that seemed sorta ugly | 00:10 |
| @preaction | that's what i was thinking | 00:10 |
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| Mech422 | oh - you like that better ? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | eh, leave it as-is now, then if someone complains we have an option | 00:11 |
| @preaction | not really, it's just less moving parts instead of making the recipe file and adding the package.list | 00:11 |
| @preaction | even our WebGUI.conf.original doesn't maintain itself, and ends up getting out of date | 00:11 |
| @preaction | but really package.list should work fine | 00:12 |
| Mech422 | basically - I just wanted a 'sliceable' way of working with stuff | 00:12 |
| Mech422 | so you could use --start and --end and only rebuild a portion of the wre | 00:12 |
| @preaction | right | 00:12 |
| @preaction | which is a good idea if you're debugging the build | 00:13 |
| Mech422 | also your can pass the archive recipe and build dirs on the command line (with sane defaults) | 00:13 |
| @preaction | so really it sounds excellent | 00:13 |
| Mech422 | so you can have a 'production' and 'dev' build just by switching the options | 00:13 |
| Mech422 | or you can build dev versions of the packages using production recipes, etc etc | 00:14 |
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| Mech422 | I put 2 functions in driver.sh - platformDetect and toolsDetect that should be all that need to change to support new tools/platforms | 00:15 |
| Mech422 | for instance, right now - it will use either wget or curl depending on whats installed on the system | 00:15 |
| Mech422 | and the recipe files don't care - they just use whichever they're given | 00:15 |
| @preaction | Mech422: heh, are you writing this down? some "howto" documentation might be best for getting this implemented | 00:15 |
| @preaction | "How to add a CPAN module to the build" "How do debug a failed build" "How to add a new platform" | 00:16 |
| @preaction | so does the platformDetect also set vars for platform-specific problems? | 00:16 |
| Mech422 | that would be where they are set, yes - but I haven't implemented that yet as I only have 1 platform handy :-P | 00:17 |
| Mech422 | I'll workon that tonight | 00:17 |
| Mech422 | Its a big 'bigger' then the existing solution - I worried rizen won't like it for that reason | 00:17 |
| Mech422 | but it has a lot more flexibility and should be easier to maintain going forward | 00:18 |
| @preaction | it's just a build script, once it's done with what it does then it's ignored | 00:18 |
| @preaction | but if it helps speed up WRE dev / debugging, he'll love it | 00:18 |
| @preaction | he spends way too much time working with the WRE as it is | 00:18 |
| Mech422 | cool | 00:18 |
| @preaction | (one of the reasons why the windows WRE is now dead) | 00:18 |
| Mech422 | btw - is there a reason why the cpan module isn't used to install the wre perl modules ? | 00:18 |
| Mech422 | I thought cpan had these nifty download-and-install feature(s) ? | 00:19 |
| Mech422 | (I was thinking of using the cpan module to install stuff in the new scripts - thats why I ask... ) | 00:19 |
| @preaction | don't know, maybe because cpan requires configuration before using it? | 00:19 |
| @preaction | and/or it didn't work unattended (Which it can do now) | 00:20 |
| Mech422 | oh - didn't know it needed configuration | 00:21 |
| @preaction | mirrors, where make, wget, ftp, etc... are | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | CPAN modules will ask you about doing testing, dependency inclusion, and many other things | 00:21 |
| Mech422 | preaction: oh - I'll have to fart with it then | 00:22 |
| Mech422 | let me re-phrase: if I get it working using the cpan module rather then the 'hand rolled' stuff - would that be an improvement ? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | i don't know | 00:24 |
| @preaction | because i don't know why we're doing what we're doing | 00:24 |
| Mech422 | fair enough | 00:25 |
| Mech422 | oh - and just for 'plannig' purposes - how long after a 'working' 64bit wre would we expect 1.0 release ? I keep hearing 64 bit is the 'big thing' for 1.0 - but is it the only thing ? | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we could tell you about project w, Mech422, but SnowWrite would miss you greatly | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | so, unofficially, 64-bit is the hurdle for the 1.0 release | 00:32 |
| Mech422 | see.. what does that mean? 'the hurdle' ? are there multiple hurdles? is it a 1 hurdle race ? :-P | 00:33 |
| Mech422 | Hmm - how about from the other side... | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that means that if WRE would compile on 64-bit that rizen would release it tomorrow | 00:34 |
| Mech422 | if we had 64 bit working today, when would we expect 1.0 ? a week ? a month? | 00:34 |
| Mech422 | ahh! bingo - thats what I was wondering :-) | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | well, after it's working, then rizen has to rebuild all the packages | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know what his loading is right now | 00:34 |
| Mech422 | oh yeah - that brings up another question... | 00:35 |
| Mech422 | is '/data' and '/data/wre' hard coded in the wre stuff ? does it make sense to make it relocatable in the build script ? | 00:35 |
| Mech422 | or are there pieces that assume they know where they live ? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of hardcoding in WebGUI, and in WRE | 00:36 |
| Mech422 | ok - so '/data' isn't likely to change | 00:37 |
| Mech422 | I don't need an option for that | 00:37 |
| Mech422 | btw - bash's builtin getopts sucks - no --long options :-/ | 00:38 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11363 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Macro/ (LoginToggle.t EditableToggle.t): Clean-up test that were leaking groups. | 01:15 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11364 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.28 release. | 01:36 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11365 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.28-stable: Release 7.6.28-stable | 01:56 |
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| SDuensin | Well, I tried searching the Bizarre Bazaar... I'm trying to find out what the WebGUI site uses for bug tracking. Is it available to mortals? | 02:12 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11366 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.6.29 development. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | The helpdesk is available through PB's git repository | 02:14 |
| SDuensin | Will have to look. Thanks! | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.github.com/plainblack is a good place to start | 02:14 |
| SDuensin | Thank you. | 02:14 |
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| +Radix_ | Hmm.. webgui.org is incredibly slow these days | 03:59 |
| +Radix_ | I click on a link and it takes around 7 seconds before I get the first byte, and 26 seconds to load completely | 04:00 |
| +Radix_ | and on top of that the link to the rules for the webgui design contest is broken | 04:01 |
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| +Radix_ | the post by tabb on the front page links to http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/webgui.org/2009-design-contest | 04:01 |
| +Radix_ | rather than just webgui.org/2009-design-contest | 04:01 |
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| @tavisto | Radix_ yeah we're aware of that and working to resolve it | 05:27 |
| @tavisto | we just recently split the pb.com and webgui.org sites/databases and so there are some things we are addressing | 05:28 |
| +Radix_ | np.. know how it is.. trying to optimise our own website atm and get it loading faster :) | 05:42 |
| SDuensin | Hey gang. | 05:52 |
| SDuensin | Is there no way for a shop manager to cancel a subscription? | 05:52 |
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| elnino | tavisto - do you guys support subdomains? | 06:27 |
| @tavisto | in our basic hosting? | 06:27 |
| elnino | it doesn't look like it. | 06:27 |
| elnino | yes. | 06:27 |
| @tavisto | um | 06:27 |
| topsub | thought paypal is supported now? or is that in 7.7? | 06:28 |
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| @tavisto | I'm really not sure | 06:28 |
| @tavisto | 7.7 has paypal | 06:28 |
| @tavisto | Haarg | 06:28 |
| @Haarg | tavisto | 06:28 |
| @tavisto | do our basic hosting plans ever allow people to use subdomains? | 06:28 |
| topsub | oh | 06:28 |
| @tavisto | and howdy | 06:28 |
| @Haarg | well, they can have subdomains that point to the same site | 06:29 |
| @tavisto | Haarg I'll be in the Mad city on the 23rd of July so let's plan on hitting up the Great Dane or the brass ring! | 06:29 |
| @Haarg | and we'd probably be able to do something like how webgui.org/plainblack.com had previously | 06:29 |
| @Haarg | but i can't confirm that part | 06:29 |
| @tavisto | yeah I think we have set up subdomains in the past | 06:29 |
| @tavisto | but I'm not sure if we still do that with automat being around now. Elnino, that would be a great question for hosting@plainblack.com. :) | 06:30 |
| elnino | what's automat? | 06:30 |
| @tavisto | our automated hosting platform | 06:30 |
| elnino | topsub, looks like 7.6 has paypal. | 06:31 |
| @tavisto | 7.7 has paypal.. not 7.6 | 06:31 |
| elnino | either that, it's there because I installed it (don't remember). It is available on the bazzar | 06:31 |
| elnino | maybe that's where I got it. | 06:31 |
| topsub | when is 7.7? haha | 06:31 |
| @tavisto | 7.7 will be stable before the WUC | 06:32 |
| topsub | ya i saw an addon for it | 06:32 |
| * elnino goes and looks. | 06:32 | |
| @tavisto | 7.7 is out right now in beta | 06:32 |
| topsub | buti heard paypal is being support by core | 06:32 |
| topsub | so i was going to wait | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | yeah it is | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | in 7.8 | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | er 7.7 | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | damn typo | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | it will have the standard driver in the core. You will not be able to do recurring with that driver though. Only single purchases | 06:32 |
| @tavisto | I also heard from a little bird that someone is going to fund an authorize.net driver as well | 06:33 |
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| topsub | medium vps.. 400 a mnoth.. wow | 06:35 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11367 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make the importer check the date format when importing tickets. | 06:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11368 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting ticket import bug fix. | 06:41 |
| @tavisto | yep, topsub when we include upgrades, backups, and support, that's the kind of fees involved | 06:45 |
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| +bartjol | bopbop: you know why the design a theme contest is left aligned? | 16:25 |
| +bartjol | oh, and goodmorning | 16:26 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, it has some more issues | 16:33 |
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| @bopbop | I saw that bartjol | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | I was going to check in w/ tabitha today to see what's going on with it | 16:53 |
| +bartjol | also reported another IE buggy thingy | 16:55 |
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| @bopbop | I'm guessing the nav link to the design contest is just too long | 16:59 |
| @bopbop | I'm checking on it now | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | yeah, one would expect the menu items to have the same claas, since it is a loop | 17:02 |
| @bopbop | yep, that did it- all better | 17:06 |
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| +bartjol | cool | 17:10 |
| +bartjol | oh can anybody please resolve my reported bug? it was a duplicate (have looked for similar bugs, but apparently not good enough), put all the info in tavis's report | 17:12 |
| @bopbop | bartjol | 17:24 |
| @bopbop | the designers are aware the IE bug | 17:24 |
| @bopbop | and are working on it | 17:24 |
| +bartjol | yeah | 17:25 |
| +bartjol | sorry for the duplicate post | 17:26 |
| @bopbop | I just resolved it so you can close it | 17:27 |
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| +bartjol | thanks | 17:31 |
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| ckotil | http://yawoot.com/post/3522 nsfw language. but too funny to miss | 18:01 |
| +bartjol | :) | 18:10 |
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| sbaur | HI everyone | 19:52 |
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| sbaur | I just tried to post a support ticket on pb.com and got a generic apache "problem with request" error. Thought I'd mention in case you weren't already aware of the problem. | 19:53 |
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| rsr | Hi | 19:59 |
| rsr | I need a turorial for installing webgui on ubuntu 9.04. Is there such whitepaper? | 20:00 |
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| ckotil | i see that problem with request on my site occasionally. well less that occasionally. its like bloody meat; rare. | 20:41 |
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| elnino | whens perlDreamer usually around? | 23:12 |
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| elnino | preaction - do you happen to know when perlDreamer is around typically? | 23:22 |
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| Mech422 | SynQ: ping ? | 00:41 |
| Mech422 | heh - prolly beddy time for Syn | 00:41 |
| Mech422 | I think I found part of the reason wre builds work better on the second try | 00:41 |
| Mech422 | . wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 00:42 |
| Mech422 | that source should fail on the first attempt to build, as /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh doesn't exist yet | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | so the $PATH never gets updated | 00:43 |
| Mech422 | Or did I miss something ? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/gateway <- anyone have any comments or addendums to make here? | 00:44 |
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| Mech422 | preaction: is it supposed to say "Undergoing Maintenance" ? | 00:45 |
| @preaction | no | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | ha. | 00:45 |
| Mech422 | oh | 00:45 |
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| Mech422 | I thought it was a maintenance banner :-P | 00:45 |
| @preaction | the very moment i get the page myself to see, the site goes down.. | 00:45 |
| @preaction | no, it's an explanation of the "gateway" property in the config file | 00:46 |
| Mech422 | ahh - I'd not be qualified to comment on that anyway | 00:46 |
| @preaction | sure you would, since you know exactly nothing about it | 00:47 |
| @preaction | that's the target audience | 00:48 |
| @preaction | if you can understand it, i've done my job | 00:48 |
| Mech422 | LOL | 00:49 |
| Mech422 | the first half makes sense | 00:51 |
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| Mech422 | for the second half, you might want to say something like "so to configure two wG instances under /home and /away use: " | 00:52 |
| Mech422 | so we know where they should 'appear' in the site | 00:52 |
| @preaction | right | 00:52 |
| Mech422 | just having it in the config samples means if you didn't understand the config, you have no clue where they're supposed to appear | 00:53 |
| Mech422 | thats all I can think of | 00:53 |
| @preaction | sounds good to me | 00:54 |
| Mech422 | looks good - concise, easy to read, with examples | 00:54 |
| @preaction | it's not that difficult a concept, but it can be confusing to think "WebGUI site" is different from "domain" | 00:54 |
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| Mech422 | yeah - but creating sites from multiple products/sources is sorta an 'advanced' topic, so hopefully the audience will have somewhat of a clue | 00:55 |
| sbaur | preaction: gateway wiki page looks good - The only thing that might confuse is that away.example.com.conf looks like you've setup a second domain name after all. Maybe just name it away.conf? | 01:03 |
| sbaur | s/second domain/subdomain/ | 01:03 |
| @preaction | how about example.com-away.conf? | 01:04 |
| @preaction | or _away.conf | 01:04 |
| @preaction | the problem i suspect will be people using the WRE Console to make these new sites, and the WRE console names the config with the domain | 01:04 |
| sbaur | i like example.com-away.conf | 01:09 |
| sbaur | seems to put things in the right order :-) | 01:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, I'm here | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | whazzup? | 01:19 |
| Mech422 | Hey pd! :-) | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, Mech422! | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Today was my first Daddy day | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | The result | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Daddying very good | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | perlDreamin', not so good | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Did i miss anything important today? | 01:20 |
| Mech422 | heh :-) | 01:20 |
| Mech422 | you have a newborn ? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no, my wife is going to school full-time now, and I have two sons (8 and 10) | 01:21 |
| Mech422 | ahh.... | 01:21 |
| Mech422 | and summer vacation is in full effect :-) | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | hoo boy, yeah | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | two doctor's appointments, two piano lessons and a birthday party to plan for my wife | 01:22 |
| Mech422 | wow - busy day | 01:22 |
| Mech422 | mine's 17 - so 'daddying' usually == "Can I have $10" | 01:22 |
| Mech422 | :-P | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and the answer is "Sure. Wrap those cables, sweep that dust, and lug that server over here." | 01:23 |
| Mech422 | sweep? lug ? what is this language you speak ? | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 01:23 |
| Mech422 | his idea of work is a hard level on a video game :-P | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmm | 01:24 |
| Mech422 | though - he is the neatest person in the house | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | If you need to, you may send him to the perlDreamer housework bootcamp | 01:24 |
| Mech422 | LOL | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | You can avoid all the housework you want, for 50 pushups per job | 01:24 |
| Mech422 | he's in junior ROTC in school - would you believe they don't do PT like that ? | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | you gotta be kidding! | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | nope | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | what do they do all day, march around and salute each other? | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | all the ROTC kids are either overweight, or very small and un-muscular | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | march? | 01:25 |
| Mech422 | again with the foriegn language :-P | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | he's in for a big surprise if he does ROTC in college | 01:26 |
| Mech422 | its only 1 class out of the day - I think they mostly listen to war stories from the marine commander | 01:26 |
| Mech422 | but to be honest - I like the kids in ROTC - they all seem to be good kids | 01:27 |
| Mech422 | just wish it taught him more discipline and leadership | 01:27 |
| Mech422 | heh - I have noticed now when he's in trouble or I yell at him, he responds with "yes,SIR" :-P | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's better than "shove it, pops!" | 01:29 |
| Mech422 | true | 01:29 |
| Mech422 | its funny - his friend in in ROTC, and getting a black belt in Wu-Shu | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | and he's as undisciplined as rugrat :-P | 01:30 |
| Mech422 | so much for martial arts teaching discpline | 01:31 |
| Mech422 | maybe its just a teenage thing | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | i know this is true for 8-10 year olds | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but sometimes the discipline never gets shown at home | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but is often very evident in school and other places | 01:32 |
| Mech422 | yeah - that could be... home is where you let your hair hang out | 01:33 |
| Mech422 | Hmm... | 01:36 |
| Mech422 | would you guys rather have a 'make it small' action in the build system to remove man pages, cruft, etc _after_ a build | 01:37 |
| Mech422 | or just have the 'install' action clean up after itself to begin with ? | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | no man pages? | 01:38 |
| Mech422 | the existing build scritp removes /prereqs/man | 01:38 |
| Mech422 | I assumed that I'd need to replicate that functionality somehow ? | 01:38 |
| * perlDreamer didn't know | 01:39 | |
| +perlDreamer | but if that's what it does now, you can assume that anything new would need to as well | 01:40 |
| Mech422 | personally, I think just having 'install' tidy up after itself is nicer then having a 'shrink' action ? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | piano lessons are almost done, so I'll be heading back home. | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | any last second questions or comments? | 01:49 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11370 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Add progress bars for rollback, trash and their www methods. | 01:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino: reping | 03:12 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11371 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.11-7.7.12.pl: Add upgrade script to add new ConvertUTCToTZ macro to config files. | 03:23 |
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| SDuensin | Computers suck. Alpaca farming looks pretty good these days. | 03:35 |
| daviddelikat | hmm,m the cool mountain air | 03:35 |
| SDuensin | Not in Southern Illinois. | 03:36 |
| SDuensin | My Alpacas could come pre-cooked. :-) | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | might as well move to where the Alpaca's are | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | cheap land | 03:36 |
| SDuensin | Either of you use the iTransact pay driver? | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 03:36 |
| daviddelikat | is that a wood or iron? | 03:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's only good on the green | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | hahahaha | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | Im not really a golfer | 03:37 |
| SDuensin | Is it possible to feed payments to iTransact from more than one WebGUI site? Or do I need multiple accounts with them? | 03:37 |
| daviddelikat | but I thought it was funny | 03:37 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, if you don't use recurring transactions, and you configure it to allow connections from multiple sites (and several other ITransact caveats) it might be possible | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | recurring transactions require a postback URL, which makes it site specific | 03:38 |
| daviddelikat | I got the basic help desk tabs fixed, now on to the hard part... | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, make sure you get a new set of templates. | 03:39 |
| SDuensin | Ok, well, crap. I'm looking at payments from three sites all to the same company. Two will need some kind of recurring, although I doubt the built-in one will work. | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | i suspect the site upgrades have changed what's in git | 03:39 |
| daviddelikat | oh good... | 03:40 |
| * perlDreamer is taking the family out to dinner for the wife's birthday | 03:40 | |
| daviddelikat | i love merging templates | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | where ya goin? | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | My wife likes to go to Chipotle | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | ooooh | 03:40 |
| daviddelikat | mine too | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | cool :) | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all later | 03:41 |
| daviddelikat | bit of a drive for me though | 03:41 |
| * SDuensin waves | 03:41 | |
| daviddelikat | later | 03:41 |
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| @preaction | 6 megabytes is how much DBIx::Class and Moose add to our PRE-FORKED modperl process | 04:15 |
| @preaction | that's it. we've added more in the last major revision | 04:15 |
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| elnino | Hi perlDreamer, I know your out with the family. sorry, I missed you twice, but I think I answered my own question. Thanks! | 04:38 |
| elnino | Hope you had fun, and happy birthday to your wife, Mine was last week. June is a great month. | 04:38 |
| elnino | can you put anything other than product assets on a shelf? | 05:26 |
| daviddelikat | what is the goal of putting something else on the shelf? | 05:29 |
| elnino | I can think of: related feeds, newsletter signups, "tell me when these products go on sale", but most importantly, beause customers ask. =) | 05:31 |
| elnino | ... ask if they can. | 05:31 |
| elnino | I dont' know what they have in mind at this time. | 05:31 |
| daviddelikat | I'm going to guess the answer is 'no' | 05:31 |
| daviddelikat | because the shelve gets its stuff by itself. | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | but | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | I think one could create a 'container' that could hold something else. | 05:32 |
| elnino | so a page with multiple shelfs? | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | it would have to handle the 'buy it' interface and keep itself from being put into a shopping cart | 05:32 |
| daviddelikat | I don't understand that comment... | 05:34 |
| elnino | that's ok. =) | 05:34 |
| daviddelikat | I think you could have a product asset that was a pointer to something else | 05:35 |
| daviddelikat | so that when the asset was rendered on the shelf it would show the thing that it s topoint | 05:35 |
| daviddelikat | ... show the thing that it points to | 05:35 |
| daviddelikat | and it would keep itself from being put into a shopping cart | 05:36 |
| daviddelikat | so it could show up on any shelf you want | 05:36 |
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| elnino | You're loosing me... I think I just need to play with it more... I have customers that want to do a shop, but all of it's proposal stage at this point. I'll try to sell my customer on the purpose of the shelf and try to avoid the question altogther. | 05:38 |
| daviddelikat | ok, if that fails we'll find a solution | 05:39 |
| elnino | fair enough. =) | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I think I hate Moose just because other people love it so much | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, any luck with the mystery of the missing profile field? | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm about to call in Fred, Daphne, Velma, Shaggy and Scoob on it | 05:45 |
| elnino | nope haven't look at it | 05:45 |
| elnino | sorry. | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it occurred to me that profile fields can be deleted by hand by Admins | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | but unlike assetHistory, there's no profileHistory table... :( | 05:47 |
| elnino | sorry, side tracked. | 05:52 |
| elnino | you wanted me to look somewhere for some field. is it an actual field in the database? or a custom field viewable when you click on a user's profile? | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it's your "profile field missing bug" versionTagMode? | 05:54 |
| elnino | yes. | 05:54 |
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| elnino | so is versionTagMode a database field? must be then... | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it would be in userProfileData | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be an entry (name?) in userProfileField | 05:55 |
| * elnino goes look | 05:55 | |
| +perlDreamer | many thanks | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to track down exactly when it was added to WebGUI and if anything touched it in the subsequent upgrades | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | added in upgrade to 7.6.4 (so it's duplicated in the shunt path 7.5.40->7.6.10) | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | not used in any upgrade since | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm really hesitant to say your bugs aren't bugs anymore, elnino | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | there's always some stealth clause that shakes me up | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | like the changing user thing | 05:57 |
| elnino | but *that* WAS a bug... | 05:58 |
| elnino | =) | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it was, so I'm not going to dismiss this one so quickly | 05:59 |
| elnino | =) | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you're not tricking me this time! | 05:59 |
| elnino | so I beleive it's there: | versionTagMode | WebGUI::International::get("version tag mode","WebGUI"); | 06:03 |
| * elnino looking at my own bug report. | 06:03 | |
| elnino | I may be looking at the wrong site. | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no notes in the bug as to which site, just the 1/18 sites thing | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | ah ha! | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | mediaangels.com | 06:05 |
| elnino | http://pastebin.com/d437e4028 | 06:05 |
| elnino | yep that's where I was looking. I'm goign to look at the logs. | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | how about "describe userProfileData" ? | 06:07 |
| elnino | ah, that's the command.. =) http://pastebin.com/m11a3412c | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, it's there too | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | do you get the log error frequently? | 06:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and of course, the error doesn't log for which user it's for | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | grrrr | 06:09 |
| elnino | it's no longer in the logs. And I didn't document what I did to get the error. So I say close it. and forget it. | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | okey doke | 06:09 |
| elnino | I cleared the logs because I wanted to start "fresh". | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm going to make that error message more verbose, just in case | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I find more bugs by reading WebGUI logs on various sites | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | teeth brushing time here, back in 20-30 | 06:10 |
| * perlDreamer is back and at it again | 06:36 | |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan_: hopeful ping... :)? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and greets to patspam | 06:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11372 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): use getWebguiProperty to find the extrasURL. | 06:41 |
| elnino | tavisto. do you have a brochure for webgui somewhere on the new site? You used to have a tri-fold I thought. | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | yeah I actually cut it from the learn page today because it was jammed up against the video | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | we have a better Product Overview white paper. Would you prefer to have one or the other? | 07:41 |
| elnino | oh. I thought it would be under the Promote area... | 07:41 |
| elnino | both? | 07:41 |
| elnino | =) | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | greedy! | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | yeah I am going to have both resources (and more) available I just didn't like that it was jammed into the page | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | sent to your dj @ yahoo email | 07:43 |
| elnino | perfect. Didn't know if you still at it. | 07:43 |
| elnino | s/at/had | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | yeah I tend to keep everyone's emails and addresses | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | I'm the guy who needs to know.... and so that's what I do | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | archive archive archive | 07:43 |
| elnino | could make a thingy on webgui and use it to manage your stuff. =) | 07:44 |
| elnino | and actually, my email is there already in my user account.. =) | 07:44 |
| elnino | Thanks for the files! | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto is the man with the plan | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and the 95% full iphone :) | 07:47 |
| @preaction | you may be delighted or horrified to hear that I believe that I have designed a Modern::WebGUI::Asset that uses DBIx::Class and Moose that can integrate with the current WebGUI codebase | 07:48 |
| * preaction runs away from the pain | 07:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | how does it benchmark against Archaic::WebGUI::Asset? | 07:49 |
| @preaction | loading them both into mod_perl adds 6M to the process BEFORE forking | 07:49 |
| @preaction | i've only designed it, i haven't implemented anything, but i can access the same database (i tested it) | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. How about time wise? | 07:50 |
| @preaction | i can also join the assetData and snippet tables | 07:50 |
| @preaction | now i'm adding the asset table | 07:50 |
| @preaction | this took me no more than 3 hours of dev time tonight | 07:50 |
| @preaction | knowing 0 about DBIx::Class and Moose | 07:50 |
| @preaction | and a shitload about WebGUI (of course) | 07:50 |
| @preaction | right now i'm adding the method signatures that I need to reimplement for the Asset API (i'm also getting rid of Wobject, since it's useless) | 07:51 |
| * perlDreamer isn't being clear. How many milliseconds does it take for M::W::A to make a page? | 07:51 | |
| @preaction | sorry, i'm not being clear: it's Designed, not Implemented | 07:51 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, got it :) | 07:51 |
| @preaction | i'm saying that the implementation is Possible | 07:51 |
| @preaction | and it's possible to run both at once | 07:52 |
| @preaction | and from what i'm seeing, there's so little code that maintainability is easy (which makes the cost of having both small) | 07:52 |
| @preaction | though i know this will probably never happen in real life :p | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | cool :) | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you never know | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | if it happened to be faster, it would align with wG 8 | 07:53 |
| @preaction | yeah, i might inadvertantly be writing WebGUI 8 or 9 | 07:53 |
| @preaction | (but really I just needed to prove to myself that a Modern::WebGUI is possible) | 07:55 |
| @preaction | what in the hell is www_setParent and www_setRank? old Asset Manager www_ methods that never got removed? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | possibly, they might be there for backwards compatibility | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm currently in the process of removing all operations out of the asset manager and moving them back into Asset.pm | 07:59 |
| +perlDreamer | where they do permissions and privileges checks | 07:59 |
| @tavisto | hey perlDreamer | 08:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, tavisto! | 08:00 |
| @tavisto | actually I am fighting the full iPhone by upgrading to the 3GS on release day | 08:00 |
| @tavisto | and I love it | 08:00 |
| @tavisto | now the problem is taking too much video when I'm out with the posse | 08:00 |
| @tavisto | I see you are squashing some serious buggers lately | 08:01 |
| @tavisto | elnino, did you get my email | 08:01 |
| * perlDreamer is busting bugs, rounding corners, and waiting weeks for responses to bug emails | 08:02 | |
| elnino | I did. Thanks tavisto. | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, www_setParent is the old click and drag interface for moving things down 1 level | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I forget what www_setRank is for | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 08:03 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I think in your spare time.. which of course there is plenty fo | 08:04 |
| @tavisto | of | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yards of it, tavisto | 08:04 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: probably the previous asset manager's way of swapping ranks | 08:04 |
| @tavisto | you should implement the RFE for cmsmatrix relating to the search capability returning ONLY results that are checked (so only matching results instead of returning all 1000 cms solutions | 08:04 |
| @tavisto | actually I think preaction should show me his new l33t perl skills and take care of that rfe this week! | 08:05 |
| @preaction | yeah. i'm already a week behind, i'm gonna hafta pass on that one | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | if anyone is out there that can take care of that troublesome thing... you would save me about 10-15 emails a week | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | boo sir.... I boo you | 08:05 |
| @tavisto | double dog boo | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, I can make time to do that RFE, if you can fix the 15 core bugs on the bug list | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | am I always doomed with having to do all of your work? | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | what exactly would you say.... ya do? | 08:06 |
| @tavisto | yeeeeeeeah preaction, I'm gonna need you to come in on Saturday...... yeeeeeah | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, will you curse me and my descendants if I start using sprintf <<HEREDOC in the AssetManager to get rid of quotification? | 08:07 |
| @preaction | ha. i already volunteered | 08:07 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: no, i will find it very nice probably | 08:08 |
| @tavisto | yeeeeah and sunday too... ummm kay? Grrrrreeeeat. | 08:08 |
| @preaction | but really perhaps we should be using a template if there's really that much stuff to put in there | 08:08 |
| @preaction | from chromatic: One of the poorly hidden themes in my writings is that backwards compatibility, like a dairy product, has an expiration date beyond which your fridge -- and your project -- gets scary. | 08:11 |
| @preaction | http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2009/06/how-to-change-a-running-system.html | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | most of it is i18n | 08:12 |
| elnino | rizen mentioned a photo gallery that webgui was trying to mimick when designing webgui's photo gallery.. what was that third-party gallery? | 08:12 |
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| @preaction | we were trying to mimic someone? i don't know what it could be | 08:12 |
| elnino | not mimic, but to try to have the features a "typical" gallery would have "out of the box" I guess. | 08:13 |
| @preaction | then probably Flickr | 08:14 |
| elnino | ah. I only know jalbum. | 08:14 |
| @preaction | though iPhoto might also be a good candidate | 08:14 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, it should be a template | 08:19 |
| +perlDreamer | more of the code can be moved into i18n'ed JS, though | 08:20 |
| +perlDreamer | except that isn't covered by gettext's toolchain now | 08:20 |
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| @preaction | i think i need to get away from real Perl developers, they make me depressed for my WebGUI | 08:30 |
| elnino | calling it a night bye everyone! | 08:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I know how you feel, but let that drive you to excellence instead of depression. | 08:31 |
| +perlDreamer | that was my impetus for the great tizzy fit of 2007 | 08:31 |
| @preaction | well, yeah, i'm building this Modern::WebGUI thing | 08:31 |
| @preaction | in essence, "WebGUI's Asset API as I Would Design It From Scratch Today" | 08:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the current asset API is pretty good. It sounds like people's gripe is with our object implementation and database interface. | 08:33 |
| @preaction | basically yes. | 08:33 |
| @preaction | we suffer from the "Not Invented Here" syndrome | 08:34 |
| @preaction | is what one person said this week | 08:34 |
| +perlDreamer | because we're not on CPAN, or PerlMonks, or implemented on top of Catalyst/Maypole/CGI::Application? | 08:34 |
| @preaction | when really, the funny bit is that NONE of this stuff was invented when WebGUI started doing something exactly like it or marginally like it | 08:34 |
| @preaction | DBIx::Class, Class::DBI, Moose, etc... | 08:34 |
| @preaction | no, mainly the DBIx::Class and Moose are the two | 08:35 |
| @preaction | Moose being the Big One | 08:35 |
| @preaction | there are lots of very nice projects that we could use that depend on Moose, and since Moose is verboten, we cannot use them | 08:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you can prove that the shared memory cost is low, the speed is comparable then we can be unverbotened. | 08:36 |
| @preaction | right now i can only prove that Moose + DBIx::Class adds 6M to our shared memory | 08:37 |
| @preaction | Email::Valid added 7k and was nixed :p | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | cost/benefit trade-off | 08:37 |
| +perlDreamer | we've gone years and years with a schlocky email validator with no problems | 08:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but if Moose opens the doors to developers and features | 08:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that have heretofore been closed... | 08:38 |
| @preaction | which it will | 08:39 |
| @preaction | the Perl community will be encouraged to experiment with it, which they are not currently | 08:39 |
| * perlDreamer is guessing that there's more than that | 08:39 | |
| +perlDreamer | it's also the framework | 08:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and lack of CPANage | 08:39 |
| +perlDreamer | but who knows until we try? | 08:39 |
| @preaction | if an Asset can be easily defined with Moose instead of all the boilerplate we have currently, that's a big step | 08:39 |
| @preaction | er... defined with Moose and DBIx::Class (which replaces the definition) | 08:40 |
| +perlDreamer | but still allows introspection? | 08:40 |
| @preaction | indeed. see DBIx::Class::WebForm | 08:40 |
| @preaction | you can add other things to the properties of a DBIx::Class | 08:41 |
| @preaction | so, for us, the field properties | 08:41 |
| @preaction | anyway, must get to bed. nearing 2:00am. want to get going before 11:00am tomorrow (so i can be home before midnight. ooh, but i gain an hour going back) | 08:41 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as i can walk something like definition for property examination, I'll be happy I think | 08:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | 'night, all | 08:46 |
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| rharhen | any one have any ideas why the utilities section of the new content menu doesnt show up unless im logged in as 'admin'.. other user is in all the same groups as the admin account | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the ui level of the other users | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's in their profilen | 17:42 |
| rharhen | ahh thanks | 17:42 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11373 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (AssetLineage.pm Content/AssetManager.pm): Make the AssetManager use Asset*.pm for cut, copy, paste, rank and duplicate. | 17:53 |
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| dhelsten | I restarted my server (no upgrades or changes) and now several assets show ^AssetProxy(...); What has gone wrong? | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | is the AssetProxy macro set up in your config file? | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | also, you should check your webgui and apache log files for error messages | 17:58 |
| ckotil | yeah, i see that whenever i make a perl module have compilation errors | 17:59 |
| dhelsten | I'm seeing many errors that say "Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big" in the modperl logs | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | those are supposed to be there | 18:01 |
| dhelsten | From the webgui log, it looks like the problem is in my calendar.pm file. I fixed a bug in the file a while back but probably messed something up and didn't know until the restart. I'll need to replace the calendar.pm. How do I find out what version I'm using? I can't the the admin toolbar up. | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | check lib/WebGUI.pm | 18:07 |
| daviddelikat | Haarg: I'm really loving the wgd edit feature... | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg++ | 18:08 |
| daviddelikat | it be really cool if it could be applied to a package that had not been imported yet | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | dhelsten, are you holding out on us? Hoarding bug fixes? | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | it does come in handy. the next thing i need to get worked out is a way to export/import the whole asset tree in that format. | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | that would be useful, but would involve duplicating a bunch of webgui code. | 18:09 |
| dhelsten | yeah right...this is the one we worked on a month or so ago, haven't upgraded since. | 18:09 |
| daviddelikat | be cool to have an interactive tool for viewing /editing like midnight commander for WG | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay | 18:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, it does that, too | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd ls | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | except for the interactive editing part | 18:10 |
| daviddelikat | perhaps more like wgsh | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | patspam is working on having something like that for padre | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, you could make it do the raw package edit by importing it into the temp space, invoking edit, exporting the file back out, and then cleaning it up | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | each one of those is a raw WGDev function already | 18:11 |
| daviddelikat | I could just dump it to a directory as well... | 18:11 |
| daviddelikat | I just want to be able to compare files | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it needs an export-branch command | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd diff | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 18:11 |
| daviddelikat | actually wgd diff would not bee too hard... | 18:12 |
| @Haarg | diff is another thing i've had in mind, but i haven't figured out how it would work well yet | 18:12 |
| daviddelikat | just dump the pieces to 2 dirs and diff the directories | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or, for just 1 asset, it would take the two revisions, serialize them, then diff them and show the results | 18:13 |
| daviddelikat | yep | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and then, for templates | 18:13 |
| daviddelikat | I like the serialization used in wgd edit | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | there'd be a switch that woul only compare the template field and produce a patch | 18:13 |
| daviddelikat | that would be great to add into the update system | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/wgdev/issues#issue/1 | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | update system? | 18:15 |
| daviddelikat | upgrades | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | feel free to add any ideas you have to the issue tracker there | 18:15 |
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| daviddelikat | i suddenly feel the need for rum and coke | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | ah. i misread what you meant about the update system. | 18:19 |
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| daviddelikat | Haarg's computer is overworked | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | i agree it would be good to have something better for how template upgrades are done. | 18:20 |
| daviddelikat | I liked PD's idea for a serialixed patch | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | my laptop has started to put itself to sleep while i'm using it | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | :/ | 18:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | we used to ship serialized templates, but they were in a specialized format that wasn't very robust | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you still couldn't diff them, though | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | all in all, packages _are_ better, even if they're tarballs | 18:27 |
| daviddelikat | what is the benefit? | 18:27 |
| daviddelikat | whay can't you diff them? | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c they're serialized | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could deserialize em before diff though | 18:28 |
| daviddelikat | the serialized template is just a text file | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed it is | 18:29 |
| dhelsten | I just upgraded my site from 7.6.21 to the latest stable-7.6.28 The upgrade script appeared to cycle through the upgrade executables 3 times, is this normal behavior? | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have three sites, or 3 config files? | 18:32 |
| dhelsten | Sorry for asking...feel like an idiot today...thanks... | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | heh | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | don't feel bad, we all have days like that | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're feeling especially in need of penance, find a TODO test in t/Macro/*.t and implement it | 18:35 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11375 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Add a progress bar to Delete in the AssetManager. | 18:53 |
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| carogray | I know this is WebGUI, but can I ask a quick Twitter question - it's v. quick | 20:27 |
| carogray | ? | 20:27 |
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| @tavisto | perldreamer, I just noticed that more news link error | 23:19 |
| @tavisto | ya beat me to it! | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that's okay, tavisto. You can fix it! | 23:19 |
| @tavisto | I'll let mego fix that | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | aren't you tired of her muscling in on your territory like that? | 23:21 |
| @tavisto | actually, I'm not sure what news it should go to | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | Keep in mind we have news on PlainBlack.com but also "in the news" on webgui.org | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | all of them feed into that main syndicated content asset. So I'm not sure where the "more news" link should point to | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | I just looked at the template for the SC asset and I could fix this easily | 23:26 |
| @tavisto | that SC asset pulls from like 5-6 feeds though.. will have to think about that one.. maybe there needs to be another page on webgui.org that isn't on the main nav, but if someone clicks on more news... it takes them to a page where there is a longer list of messages which display the same news sources (so have 10 news stories instead of just 4 like on the home) | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | more news should point to the asset in standalone mode with more data, or maybe some nice pagination | 23:27 |
| @tavisto | ah yes, great minds think alike | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | which means that the one on the frontpage should be a shortcut so the template can be overridden | 23:28 |
| @tavisto | can't we just make a shortcut of the SC asset on the home page | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | and have the more news link go to that asset | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that would never work! | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | instead, on the home page, make a shortcut of the SC asset. | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | um | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | I wasn't planning on going to Portland today, but I'll make an exception if you continue this path | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | the kids would love to see you again. | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Come on over, we're having ravioli for dinner | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | yeah but they probably wouldn't like my mortal kombat finishing move I put on their dad | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | well maybe.. as long as I let them play with my new Iphone.. it does have monkey ball afterall | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | fortunately, I still have my G.I. Joe snake eyes training | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we're saying the same thing | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | alright I'm going to put in our suggestions into the bug | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | short display on front page, long display with pagination on the actual asset | 23:35 |
| @tavisto | I will share the credit even though it was my brilliant idea | 23:35 |
| @tavisto | Colin and I were talking and we think the best solution to this is to make shortcut of the news syndicated asset located on the home page and then have the "more news" link go to a shortcut asset which then displays 10+ news stories and has pagination on the asset. | 23:38 |
| @tavisto | So currently you can see 4 stories on the home page, but if you click "more news" we want the viewer to see a new page which shows lots of news stories. We news syndicated content asset on the home page is fed by 5-6 different CS assets and so this would be the only way to ensure that the visitor would see stories from all of the sources. | 23:38 |
| @tavisto | what the.. where did "we" come from | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the other thing is that all the sources need to be checked for validity. I think some of them are bad | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | either this is much more simple than I've been making it out to be, or preactions's JS tutelage is kicking in | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | not bad so far, one bug, and not even in JS | 23:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | javascript question | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an object in scope | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to define an event that calls a method on that object when triggered | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | is that YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(this.inputBox, 'onfocus', this.display); | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | of something very close to it? | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I have an object in scope | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to define an event that calls a method on that object when triggered | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | is that YAHOO.util.Event.addListener(this.inputBox, 'onfocus', this.display); | 00:01 |
| daviddelikat | thats a good question... | 00:01 |
| daviddelikat | I'm n o JS master | 00:02 |
| daviddelikat | nor YUI... | 00:02 |
| daviddelikat | sorry man, no answer here | 00:02 |
| * perlDreamer will keep digging | 00:02 | |
| daviddelikat | need another shovel? | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but there's a lot of hacked up JS that goes with this | 00:03 |
| daviddelikat | where is it? | 00:04 |
| daviddelikat | is it webgui? | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it is. I modified the datepicker so that it can be a standalone object, instead of shared with many date forms fields | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | because they leak dates across one another | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I haven't committed the new js yet, because it's not all done yet | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and of course, with the new js comes new form code (also uncommitted) | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to start the release. I'll have a go at it later, perhaps tomorrow | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | i see, hmhmm | 00:07 |
| daviddelikat | good luck... | 00:08 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11376 /WebGUI/t/Content/AssetManager.t: Remove this test, since the code it tested isn't in here any longer. | 00:38 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 01:14 |
| SquOnk | Anyone of the Debian users around? | 01:27 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11377 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.7.12 release | 02:12 |
| SquOnk | Is it safe to assume that all translations have a bullet-xx directory? | 02:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | no | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | some of them use the defaults | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you could check by looking into the translation branch of SVN | 02:24 |
| +patspam | howdy | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam! | 02:25 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer! | 02:25 |
| +patspam | good morning :) | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | good afternoon | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | by chance, do you know how to invoke a method on an object in an event handler? | 02:26 |
| +patspam | in js? | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:27 |
| +patspam | for browser events, the target object is usually the first arg | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | i tried addListener(container, 'onfocus', this.method) | 02:28 |
| +patspam | for yui events, I think you access it via arguments[0].target | 02:28 |
| +patspam | yep, that should use this.method as the callback when container is clicked | 02:29 |
| +patspam | but what is this bound to? | 02:29 |
| +patspam | e.g. what function are you inside when you call addListener? | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's inside of a function that is called for new | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should paste this after I get done with the release | 02:30 |
| +patspam | yeah that'd help :) | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's just scoping, /me will feel very foolish | 02:30 |
| +patspam | if it's inside a constructor, 'this' will be bound to the object that's getting constructed | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, 1st, release, then pasting, if there's time before I have to cook dinner | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's exactly what I want | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but YUI tells me: Invalid callback for subscriber to 'select' | 02:31 |
| +patspam | does the method exist yet? | 02:31 |
| +patspam | i'm just wondering, if it's in a constructor, maybe you haven't added it to the object yet when you call addListener | 02:32 |
| +patspam | because 'this.method' is going to be evaluated when you call addListener | 02:32 |
| +patspam | you want it to return a reference to the 'method' function, but if you haven't added it to the object yet, it will return null | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/136233 | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | see line 6 for the addListener call | 02:33 |
| +patspam | yeah, i suspect it's because .display doesn't get added until line 45 | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if you move .display higher, then JS gets quite upset | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I need a callback | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | just to delay the checking of the method | 02:35 |
| +patspam | heh yep, because YAHOO.WebGUI.Form.DatePicker won't exist | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | the refactor separates the DatePickers out so they don't leak date information between fields any longer | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and this is the last (current?) stopgap preventing me from committing the fix | 02:36 |
| +patspam | refactor/move the defn of .display into the constructor, just above the addListener line, as: this.display = function(){...} | 02:36 |
| +patspam | or | 02:36 |
| +patspam | use: addListener(container, 'onfocus', function(){this.method}, this) | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | a wrapper | 02:37 |
| +patspam | actually: addListener(container, 'onfocus', function(){this.method()}, this) | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | looking at it, /me is starting to wonder if I'm going to have the same problems with the subscribe lines on 35-39 | 02:38 |
| +patspam | yep, that callback object won't get evaluated until event time, by which time this.method will exist (the final 'this' arg tells yui to bind the object to 'this' for the callback') | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | inside the anonymous function does this still mean the "this" that I want? | 02:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | I just released webgui-i18n-es | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | (in my private repository) | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | aptitude install webgui-i18n-es, bam! you just got the spanish translation set up. | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | I'm working on a more general tool, though. | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | dh-make-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish | 02:42 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: yui binds it to whatever you pass in the last argument to addListener | 02:42 |
| SquOnk | - Downloads the latest thing from i18n.webgui.org | 02:43 |
| SquOnk | - Debianizes it as webgui-i18n-xx, using the ISO date as version. | 02:43 |
| SquOnk | You only have to dpkg -i the resulting package. | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | very slick | 02:44 |
| SquOnk | In the end, I'll probably include dh-make-webgui-i18n with the webgui package :) | 02:44 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: now that Surveys create a new revision when required, I'm getting uncommitted revisions left lying around | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | is there an autocommit workflow for the Survey? | 02:52 |
| +patspam | autowhat? | 02:52 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11378 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.12-beta: Release 7.7.12-beta | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Have a peek inside Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive, for the getFolder method | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the StoryArchive has to create folders to store Stories | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's no sense in bothering the user with the commits | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | so it finds the Autocommit workflow | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and creates a version tag for the folder | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and then autocommits the Folder | 02:54 |
| +patspam | brilliant | 02:55 |
| +patspam | so in my case, I'd be doing my addRevision where you do addChild? | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | although, users may want to approve Survey changes | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so it might be better to add a new property to the Survey where the user can pick if survey order changes are autocommitted, or use some other approval workflow | 02:57 |
| +patspam | is pbworkflow00000000003 the autocommit workflow? | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember. It could be | 02:58 |
| +perlDreamer | time to switch to Daddy mode, and cook dinner | 02:59 |
| * perlDreamer will try more JS funness later | 02:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | maybe while cooking the Alfredo sauce | 02:59 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11381 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fixed bug where Survey was leaving uncommitted version tags behind | 05:41 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11382 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Moved survey template upgrades to the correct folder | 05:42 |
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| elnino | hi... hoping someone could answer a question about 7.5... | 07:05 |
| elnino | using the product asset, and the default product template, the <tmpl> varaibles for price, productnumber, brochure.url, manual.url, and warranty.url aren't desplaying. I'm searching the bug reports, hopefully for some answers... | 07:06 |
| elnino | in fact, the "add features" and "add specs" and stuff don't work eiher.... | 07:10 |
| elnino | no luck in the bug reports. | 07:10 |
| elnino | I'm using 7.5.37 | 07:14 |
| elnino | I downloaded the changelog up to 7.5.40, and didn't see anything fixing these... hm | 07:43 |
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| +danny_mk | hello everyone | 18:28 |
| +danny_mk | what are the rules/fees for someone doing a WUC presentation? | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, you rowdy bunch of WebGUI netizens | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | good morning | 18:30 |
| elnino | gm | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | bopbop: do you know the rules/fees for someone doing a WUC presentation? | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, you still experiencing product template problems? | 18:32 |
| elnino | yes. | 18:32 |
| elnino | I think I"m missing something simple. I took a look at 7.6, and the tempaltes are similar in that particular portion. | 18:33 |
| elnino | so I must be missing something in the shop setup. | 18:33 |
| elnino | however I understand that 7.5 sin't supported. | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what was the name of the variables you were looking for? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | my english is awful this morning | 18:35 |
| elnino | price, productnumber, brochure.url, manual.url, and warranty.url | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | for the urls, try brochure_url, manual_url and warranty_url | 18:36 |
| elnino | you can't be serious. =( | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I am :( | 18:36 |
| elnino | good grief.. | 18:36 |
| * elnino tries | 18:36 | |
| * perlDreamer recommends a good browse through the online template help for the Product asset | 18:37 | |
| elnino | I did. =( | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | what? | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | is it wrong in there? | 18:37 |
| elnino | baby is doing some serious downloading. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | which baby? | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | internal, or external? | 18:37 |
| elnino | nope, the help is correct, the default product template used periods. | 18:38 |
| elnino | internal. | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | In 7.7, I'm only seeing 1 template | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember that we downsized at one point | 18:39 |
| elnino | this is 7.5... | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I think 7.5.10 was tavisto's favorite version of WebGUI, ever | 18:40 |
| @tavisto | um | 18:40 |
| @tavisto | maybe, I can't remember | 18:40 |
| elnino | you're right. replace . with _ I'm surprised that it wasn't in the bug reports. somewhere along the lines it must have gotten fixed. | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | That was Commerce -> Shop | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.6 only has one as well | 18:42 |
| elnino | yep, there was only one product template that I've seen. | 18:42 |
| @bopbop | dannymk: let me check before I open my big mouth :) | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | there used to be 4-5 of them | 18:42 |
| elnino | really? I guess I wouldn't have known. | 18:43 |
| elnino | Well, that's enough fun today. thank you for clearing the crud out of my eyes! | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome. | 18:43 |
| @bopbop | danny_mk: your wuc ticket is free | 18:44 |
| @bopbop | you are responsible for travel and lodging expenses | 18:44 |
| +danny_mk | Ah, cool, thanks | 18:44 |
| @bopbop | np | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, do we know when presentations are due? | 18:44 |
| @bopbop | yeah, it's in my email somewhere... give me a sec | 18:45 |
| @bopbop | perldreamer: I don't have an exact date, just a statement that says "about a month before the conference"... so I'll tell you your presentation is due August 10 | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent | 18:46 |
| @bopbop | and I'll take off 5% for each day late | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | 5% of what? | 18:46 |
| @bopbop | your assignment grade | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hehe | 18:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan! Good morning. Do you have some time to talk about your bug? | 18:48 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: yes | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | did the bug system email you my last reply? About $asset->purge? | 18:49 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, i think so | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | well, let me recap it, just so we're on the same page | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the system does clean-up all remnants of the old RSS system, with one caveat | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if it can't instanciate the asset, it won't clean it up | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | which kind of addresses your upgrade issue, but leaves another | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | which is why there would be assets in the system that you can't open with new | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried several different upgrades, and the RSS assets were all cleaned up each time | 18:52 |
| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: with ~90 sites that were started on 6.6.5 and have been upgraded through to 7.5.40, we tend to run into some corner cases :) | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I know. And those corner cases usually help us iron out more wrinkles in WebGUI | 18:54 |
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| +cap10morgan | perlDreamer: yep! :) | 19:09 |
| +cap10morgan | i'm putting out a different fire right now | 19:09 |
| +cap10morgan | but hopefully sometime next week i can duplicate my environment that showed the bug | 19:09 |
| +cap10morgan | and give you access to it | 19:09 |
| +cap10morgan | it will be an ec2 instance | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as i can SSH into it :) | 19:09 |
| +cap10morgan | yep | 19:10 |
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| elnino | does pb use shelves on https://www.plainblack.com/store | 19:10 |
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| elnino | maybe travisto knows if pb use shelves on https://www.plainblack.com/store? | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I think they do, elnino | 19:22 |
| elnino | ok. | 19:23 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11383 /WebGUI/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.7.12-7.7.13.pl gotcha.txt): | 20:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: Add tokenId column to userSession table. Doing the session code changes | 20:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: and db changes at the same time creates a huge mess. | 20:08 |
| @bopbop | elnino: those aren't shelves | 20:13 |
| @bopbop | on pb | 20:13 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11384 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (gotcha.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.6.28-7.6.29.pl): Backporting userSession table changes, and adding conditional check. | 20:43 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11385 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.12-7.7.13.pl: Adding conditional check for column addition. | 20:43 |
| @tavisto | coolio, just discovered some new WebGUI sites... sheesh!! I can't keep up | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | do tell, tavisto | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | http://www.gobcn.ca/ | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | I also just added a technical university in Slovak Republic | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | that area is actually a WebGUI hotspot | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | www.hr is one of the main sites there and it's also webgui | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | "www.hr" is all you have to type in | 20:50 |
| @tavisto | you'd have to grab the URL for the technical university from the sightings >> education. It's for the faculty of 11 different departments | 20:50 |
| @preaction | nice | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I fixed a JS bug! | 20:58 |
| @preaction | yay! | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I have even better news, preaction. | 20:59 |
| @preaction | uhoh | 20:59 |
| * preaction braces himself | 20:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | my patch for the story works | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | So you don't need to help me fix that | 20:59 |
| @preaction | patch? | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the event loading/timing thing | 20:59 |
| @preaction | the Carosel stuff? | 20:59 |
| @preaction | oh, the onload thing! | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:59 |
| @preaction | nice! | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | So your load is lighter | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | except for those bugs that I assigned you | 21:00 |
| @preaction | thanks much! | 21:00 |
| @preaction | assigned? damn you to the deepest depths of hell! | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | "I vas only following orders" | 21:00 |
| @preaction | oh, that's how it is | 21:00 |
| @preaction | you know who ELSE was ONLY FOLLOWING ORDERS? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Schultz? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | </godwin> | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | you've only been back 1 day, and already you're invoking godwin? | 21:01 |
| @preaction | yes'm! | 21:01 |
| @preaction | i am feeling my oats today | 21:02 |
| @preaction | yapc was not good for my health as a WebGUI developer, but we've already discussed that ;) | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I read mpeters slides for CI. Very interesting. | 21:02 |
| @preaction | oh, yeah, there was a shitton of awesome presentations | 21:03 |
| @preaction | but there was little i could actually apply to webgui, and that makes me a sad panda | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how is M::A? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | M::W::A, rather | 21:04 |
| @preaction | i'm 95% sure it's possible, and to have both side-by-side | 21:05 |
| @preaction | i'm also thinking of joining the iron man blogging competition (Matt Trout's lightning talk on it was awesome) | 21:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11386 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a JS error in the datepicker which preventented it from working normally. | 21:08 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11387 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting datepicker JS fix. | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried doing that, but couldn't come up with a WebGUI related perl post each week | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and then I feel bad using my blog personally, when it's being syndicated in a technical aggregator like that | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can't tag CS entries and have that filter through the RSS | 21:10 |
| @preaction | matt trout said that it doesn't matter if it's about Perl at all, the idea is to keep yourself blogging so you keep doing it | 21:17 |
| @preaction | and to get yourself traffic so your Perl posts become more important | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | all right! | 21:17 |
| @preaction | like today i'm blogging about how much i enjoyed YAPC | 21:17 |
| @preaction | on the WebGUI staff blog | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that's perl related | 21:18 |
| @preaction | tangentially related to WebGUI, barely | 21:18 |
| @preaction | but i've blogged about working at home, about management, about lots of things | 21:18 |
| @preaction | do you use Vim? blog about some interesting vim tricks you know | 21:18 |
| @preaction | are you learning JS? blog about how you use JS to enhance your Perl programs? | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I've come to realize that I don't hate JS. | 21:19 |
| @preaction | write a couple lines to say that you personally closed X number of webgui bugs this week | 21:19 |
| @preaction | just keep writing | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate the DOM | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I could write about that | 21:19 |
| @preaction | it's like exercise, keep doing it even if it's just 10 minutes | 21:19 |
| @preaction | so write about that! | 21:20 |
| @preaction | just | 21:20 |
| @preaction | never | 21:20 |
| @preaction | stop | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | You're starting to sound like Dorie | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Just keep blogging | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Just keep blogging | 21:20 |
| @preaction | your trainer? | 21:20 |
| @preaction | it works though! | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Finding_Nemo_characters#Dory | 21:21 |
| @preaction | also, you and I need to seriously consider Test::FITesque and Test::A8N | 21:21 |
| @preaction | ahh, that Dorie | 21:21 |
| @preaction | hee hee | 21:21 |
| @preaction | Just keep swimming, just keep swimming | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I read about A8N, haven't checked out FITesque yet | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | FITesque looks promising for those data driven tests | 21:24 |
| @preaction | A8N is based on FITesque | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | A8N seems to abstract too much of the perl away from the test | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | which is good for people who aren't technical | 21:25 |
| @preaction | that's the idea, Kristi can write A8N tests | 21:25 |
| @preaction | or we can set up a Real QA department | 21:25 |
| @preaction | make it easier to write tests, and more people will do it | 21:25 |
| @preaction | especially since A8N also plugs into Selenium | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it _would_ be nice to have more integration tests | 21:26 |
| @preaction | exactly | 21:27 |
| @preaction | our QA and testing both suck, and the efforts we expend are simply not enough | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | some of that sucking is procedural though | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | too many people commit "quick" code without adding tests, i18n, docs | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | or even running the existing test suite | 21:27 |
| @preaction | yes, that is a huge problem | 21:27 |
| @preaction | that is why i have plans in place to fix that | 21:28 |
| @preaction | a nice bitchslap upside the head if someone breaks a test, or submits code without a test. | 21:28 |
| @preaction | we need accountability | 21:28 |
| @tavisto | ooooooh nice progress bar... first time I've seen it | 21:28 |
| @tavisto | I knew it was in the last couple of releases | 21:28 |
| @tavisto | was reorganizing the order of pictures in the sightings gallery | 21:28 |
| @preaction | that progress bar made it not fail, so yeah ;) | 21:29 |
| @tavisto | I think it's an excellent addition and "rounded corner" | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's creeping in all over the place | 21:31 |
| @preaction | indeed | 21:31 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 21:31 |
| @tavisto | we can't give the end user enough dummy lights and indicators :) | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, for something fun, try to swap ranks on a beta demo site | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's so fast, the screen just flashes by | 21:32 |
| @tavisto | okay, and if it's so fast then why would I want to bother trying it? | 21:32 |
| @tavisto | so then.. why isn't the webgui.org site that fast? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the slowness comes in with the size of the database | 21:33 |
| @tavisto | it couldn't be the 2 years of upgrades and a massive collection of data that would be slowing the site down eh | 21:33 |
| @tavisto | I dont want to hear excuses perlDreamer, I want to hear solutions | 21:33 |
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| @tavisto | one more excuse like that and I'm benching you and putting in preaction | 21:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | Sodium chloride at 0.5% in dihydrogen oxide | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a solution | 21:33 |
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| @preaction | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYjZc7gKXc | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | the ASL Jonathan Coulton stuff is absolutely awesome | 22:51 |
| elnino | bopbop - ok. thanks! | 22:58 |
| elnino | I was under the impression that that would be what shelves would look like, and was wondering how they got the images that way, other than including them in the description. | 22:59 |
| elnino | is there anyone out here with a store and shelves? | 23:00 |
| @bopbop | do you have a specific question about them? | 23:00 |
| @bopbop | just want to know what it looks like? | 23:01 |
| elnino | no, just want to see it live, I played with them a little in 7.5, and are not at all like I expected. i'm getting the impression they are for a different purpose than I envisioned. | 23:02 |
| @bopbop | basically just categorizing products | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | if you put comments in a version tag, and then deny the tag from being approved, how come the person who submits the version tag for approval only gets an email saying "it's been denied". Shouldn't it show them whatever is in the comments field so that they know the reason that the administrator put in? | 23:02 |
| @bopbop | you can pull in product assets from anywhere on the site based on metadata keyword | 23:03 |
| elnino | but I thought they'd look like that page on pb, or like http://www.organizedliving.com/category/sale.do | 23:03 |
| @bopbop | well, you can always template them to look different | 23:03 |
| @bopbop | can you see this: http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop | 23:03 |
| @bopbop | tavisto: it should | 23:03 |
| @bopbop | not sure if it's a bug or an rfe thought | 23:03 |
| elnino | yes. | 23:04 |
| @bopbop | though | 23:04 |
| @bopbop | those are shelves | 23:04 |
| @tavisto | yeah I'm not sure about that either | 23:04 |
| @bopbop | with products being pulled in from a different location | 23:04 |
| @bopbop | each white header (golf) is a shelf | 23:04 |
| elnino | see it lists the products under the categories, and each has a cart link, so I did do some changing to the template to remove those. and had to add a url to the category. | 23:04 |
| elnino | but then twhen you go to the "category page" the products aren't there, because I riped them out. =( | 23:05 |
| elnino | hope that made sense. I guess I'm looking for the functionaltiy that a sub album has. | 23:06 |
| elnino | each album has a "thumbnail preview" and then you click on the album, and THEN see the products. | 23:07 |
| elnino | maybe 7.6 or 7.7 work more like that, or is http://betatraining.plainblack.com/home/shop 7.7? | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | well, if you click on a thumbnail on a shelf it takes you to the product view | 23:07 |
| elnino | brb | 23:07 |
| elnino | right. | 23:07 |
| elnino | s/each album has a /each album has ONE/ | 23:07 |
| @bopbop | I see- you might be better just using an article asset or image file and linking it to the shelf w/ all products on it for that category | 23:08 |
| elnino | I have customers tha thave LOTS of products under a shelf, and I don't want them all displaying. | 23:08 |
| @bopbop | that's what you saw on pb | 23:08 |
| elnino | yep, that's what I'm thinking too, but I like the metatag functionaltiy of a shelf - I want both. =) | 23:09 |
| elnino | I'll put an rfe in I guess. =) | 23:09 |
| elnino | brb | 23:10 |
| elnino | I suppose I can use a navigation thing too. to automatically show the shelves without having to create assets for each when I create a new shelff. | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, the version tag comments are supposed to be in the message | 23:29 |
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| @tavisto | yeah well I dont think that's happening | 23:30 |
| @tavisto | I've had a few peeps on cmsmatrix.org that I've denied and they don't know why | 23:30 |
| @tavisto | will have to test that one and see for myself before I report | 23:31 |
| * perlDreamer will test, too | 23:31 | |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, be warned. If the commit with approval workflow can't run quickly enough in realtime, it will wait 20 minutes before trying again. | 23:42 |
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| @tavisto | that's no good | 23:45 |
| * perlDreamer twiddles my thumbs | 23:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | his thumbs? | 23:57 |
| elnino | his. | 23:58 |
| elnino | talking to yourself again>? | 23:58 |
| @bopbop | his | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | just waiting for a workflow activity to run, so I can check to see if commit comments make it into the mail message | 00:02 |
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| elnino | shelves, pagelayouts and folders are called container wbojects, right? | 00:23 |
| elnino | are there others? | 00:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, wikimaster, storyarchive | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | MessageBoard | 00:25 |
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| elnino | I dont' see those on my "content menu" | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Dashboard | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | StoryArchive is new to WebGUI 7.7 | 00:25 |
| elnino | oh. =) | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | WikiMaster == Wiki | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | a page in the wiki is a WikiPage | 00:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | you're using WebGUI 7.6 now? | 00:26 |
| elnino | so that is curious. why isn't wiki and cs listed on top withthe rest of the containers? | 00:26 |
| elnino | well, I'm using 7.5.38, and 7.6.28 (different customers) | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI 7.6, you can look into the config file and determine if an asset is a container | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | in the assets entry, look for a sub entry of isContainer | 00:27 |
| elnino | so you can make something a container? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | you could | 00:27 |
| elnino | interesting. scary. interestings. | 00:27 |
| elnino | brb | 00:27 |
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| elnino | well, I was going to create an rfe to allow one to attach a icon/image thumbnail to container assets, but if anything can be a container, then it shoudl be extendd to any asset. | 00:31 |
| elnino | so like a article can contain an article? | 00:31 |
| elnino | doesn't that kinda muddy everythign? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | No. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | One of the original design goals for WebGUI 7.0 was to remove PageLayouts when possible | 00:32 |
| elnino | ok. so there are some rules in place stil. | 00:32 |
| elnino | interesting. really? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you had a single Asset, you did not need a PageLayout to contain it. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but it really messed a few people up | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | You can still build WebGUI sites that way | 00:33 |
| elnino | it goes against something suggested by our own rizen | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, it was his idea | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes for smaller WebGUI sites | 00:33 |
| * elnino bonks her head. | 00:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | and it's why all wobjects have a style template | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so yes, you can put an Article below an Article | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it will show up in navs correctly | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you visit it, it will have a style (as long as you assign it a nice style template) | 00:34 |
| elnino | Oh I know... don't get me wrong, I actually like the idea and have been frustrated because some people dont get that an article can stand on it's own. I just find its kinda interesting how things progress | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that's also why a Layout is called a Page Layout instead of just "Page" | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | semantically, it's not a page | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | any asset can be a page | 00:36 |
| elnino | so.. you must start with SOMETHING. are you forced to start with a container? | 00:36 |
| elnino | and isn't "iscontainer" then defined by whether something contains somethign? | 00:37 |
| elnino | scratch the first question. | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | no, it's whether the asset is meant to display the somethings it contains | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: I got comments: http://webgui.pastebin.com/mf99d3e5 | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's 7.7, too | 00:44 |
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| elnino | unless overridden by thte "assets to hide", right? | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | assets to hide is only good for a layout | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | s/good/available/ | 00:45 |
| @preaction | like a Gallery is a container, or a Wiki is a container, or a Calendar is a container | 00:45 |
| elnino | ok.. then, if an article contains anothe article, is the first article acting like a pagelayout or are they both a "single article page"? or maybe I'm not on the same brain wave. | 00:46 |
| @preaction | they are both single articles | 00:47 |
| elnino | then how would you cratet a "article below an article" like a "page below a page"? if pages aren't there any more. | 00:47 |
| elnino | s/cratet/create | 00:47 |
| @preaction | just because an asset contains another doesn't mean that both assets will be displayed | 00:48 |
| @preaction | you can create it through the asset manager, or do you mean "how do you display it"? | 00:48 |
| * elnino thinking | 00:48 | |
| * perlDreamer whistles the Jeopardy theme | 00:50 | |
| elnino | ok. example: if pagelayouts are *GONE* and we have articles only towork with, | 00:50 |
| @preaction | they won't ever be gone | 00:51 |
| elnino | I want a "page" with multiple articles DISPLAYED on it, and another "page" below it, to be a "single article page" | 00:51 |
| elnino | oh | 00:51 |
| elnino | I missed that. | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | for displaying multiple articles (or any other asset), you have to use a Layout | 00:51 |
| elnino | ok. i missed that too. | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why they won't ever be gone ;) | 00:51 |
| elnino | ok. I'm just behind times. Glad you thought it thru. | 00:52 |
| elnino | but if in 7.7 an article can become a container? | 00:53 |
| elnino | isn't it like a pagelayout? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | no | 00:54 |
| @preaction | it doesn't display the children | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | isContainer is only used by WebGUI for the following | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) An optional flag inside the Navigation (is this asset a container?) | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) A way for an asset to find the asset which contains it. Any asset marked as isContainer will return itself. Otherwise you get the parent. | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 3) The isHidden flag is automatically turned OFF for a container | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | that's it | 00:56 |
| * elnino reading and rereading. | 00:57 | |
| elnino | so.. is it still true in that you can change an asset to be a container in the config file? | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not commonly done though. And whether an asset is a container or not, it can have children. | 01:01 |
| elnino | ok. I was going to write an rfe to extend just "containers" but there is no difference (db wise) assets and containers other than a flag in the config. | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:03 |
| elnino | ok. | 01:03 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11388 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetMetaData.pm: Update POD for addMetaDataField, which also masquerades as editMetaDataField. | 01:08 |
| elnino | can I use a metadata property to associate an icon to an asset? | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | no. | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can alter for all assets in the config file | 01:09 |
| elnino | no, not the icon like you see when"admin is on" | 01:10 |
| elnino | I want to make a navigation asset that displays the sub wikis and each wiki haveing a little thumbnail that represents what the wiki is about. | 01:10 |
| elnino | oh. but I don't think I can access metaproperties from a template.. dang. I think I've been down this similar road. | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | No, i'm wrong. Icons are set in code. | 01:11 |
| elnino | like this: https://www.plainblack.com/store - the navigation asset would create the boxes and each box represents a wiki and each wiki gets it's own picture. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and you want to be able to say something like <img src="<tmpl_var asset.meta_wiki_image>"> | 01:13 |
| elnino | yes. | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout this | 01:14 |
| elnino | I'm listening eagerly. | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | <img src ="<tmpl_var asset.url>.jpg"> | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you create an Image Asset with url.jpeg for each wiki | 01:15 |
| elnino | that would work. | 01:15 |
| elnino | as long as my goofy customers don't change urls. grr. | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | customers! | 01:15 |
| * perlDreamer sighs | 01:16 | |
| elnino | one site is SOO messed up. I had to create a site map that not only displayed EVERYTHIng , but also printed out the URLS so she could see how messed up it was. | 01:16 |
| elnino | just to confirm, I still can't access metaproperties from templates... because I do think I tried that once. | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think metadata is available in the navigation template, for any asset other than the navigation itself | 01:29 |
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| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11389 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix the Post handling Metadata possibleValues differently from other Assets. | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what do you think it should print for 8 days? | 01:57 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: colin * r11390 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): backport Post metadata possibleValues fix. | 02:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuesin: ping | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: ping you too | 02:52 |
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| SDuensin | PING! | 03:07 |
| SDuensin | PONG! | 03:07 |
| SDuensin | SYN ACK! | 03:07 |
| CIA-46 | WebGUI: patspam * r11391 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fixed minor Survey bug that could prevent tests from running in some cases | 03:22 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, remember your RTE eating the Macro bug? | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | which Browser (version/OS) were you using? | 03:38 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I was trying to update the bugboard, but the site won't answer me. | 03:38 |
| SDuensin | It was FireFox 3.something on OSX. | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the .something might be important | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | FF 3.0.11 on Linux works fine | 03:39 |
| SDuensin | Yea. Unfortunately, I don't remember. | 03:39 |
| +perlDreamer | have you upgraded since? | 03:39 |
| * perlDreamer gets called for dinner | 03:40 | |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. Firefox upgrades all the damn time. | 03:40 |
| SDuensin | Go eat. :-) | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, perhaps we can close the bug with a "Upgrade your FF?" | 03:40 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 03:40 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, seriously, if you've upgraded and it works fine, then it's probably a Firefox bug instead of a WebGUI bug | 04:09 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, with that logic, anyone who can install FF and use it instead of IE can fix hordes of bugs... | 04:09 |
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| elnino | Hi! I'm looking at shelves, apparantly they ahve a pagination functionality according to the default template, but I don't see it in the properties of the shelf. where do I set the number of items it paginates after? | 05:50 |
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| * elnino looking at the shop book. | 06:13 | |
| * elnino sees nothing there. | 06:15 | |
| * elnino looked at webgui.org, saw nothing there. | 06:15 | |
| elnino | oh. I guess it was "fixed/added" in 7.6 | 06:16 |
| CIA-46 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r97cf64d / wre/var/setupfiles/modproxy.conf : added missing statement to enable deflate - http://bit.ly/ZuDlL | 06:19 |
| CIA-46 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rb647655 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/12t6th | 06:19 |
| CIA-46 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rcc4d890 / (2 files): added missing directives to enable expires headers - http://bit.ly/gwgvw | 06:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, folks | 06:53 |
| elnino | hi | 06:54 |
| elnino | its VERY quiet here | 06:55 |
| SDuensin | Shhh | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | was SDuensin sleeping? | 07:09 |
| elnino | perhaps | 07:09 |
| * SDuensin is watching movies. | 07:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | anything you'd recommend? | 07:17 |
| SDuensin | Yea, actually. "The Lost Room" mini from SciFi. | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | Currently watching something I shouldn't have yet. Rhymes with "Watchmen". | 07:20 |
| SDuensin | Wanna know if I should pop for the Blu-Ray or just go DVD. :-D | 07:21 |
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| CIA-46 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r5fffdce / (build.sh readme.txt): fixed syntax error, added note for SuSE - http://bit.ly/lwepN | 02:47 |
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| +bartjol | arg | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | matey | 18:44 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: do you resolve bug tickets (so only the ticket)? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I resolve tickets, yes. But what do you mean by "only the ticket"? | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | well, I double posted | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10597 | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | that one can be removed | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | arg | 18:46 |
| +bartjol | you resolved the wrong one | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I did? | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, bartjol | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | eeh, it seems you did both | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you opened the original back up | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | it's ok now | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | it's just too hot here | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | mmm, and a crapload of mail coming with it | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's only 77F | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | and ie8 | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | here it's 30 C | 18:51 |
| +bartjol | sorry | 18:51 |
| +bartjol | I'm mixing up temperature scales and browsers | 18:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | ie is enough to make anybody hot under the collar | 18:52 |
| +bartjol | :) | 18:53 |
| +bartjol | well, I'm off for food | 18:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | good morning, Mech422 | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | mornin pd :-) | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | how goes? | 19:23 |
| * perlDreamer is writing tests | 19:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm very happy | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | oh good - glad your happy :-) | 19:23 |
| Mech422 | always nice to enjoy your work | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in a little bit, I'm going to call $trash->dump('manual'); | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | which is also a good thing | 19:24 |
| Mech422 | so would this be a good time for stupid wG questions ? | 19:24 |
| Mech422 | why is dumping the manual a good thing ? documentation is good ? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | think meatspace | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of $trash->dump('weekly pickup') | 19:25 |
| Mech422 | ohh... | 19:25 |
| dhelsten | I'm trying to upload a video to host on my site. It is 220MB. It seems to be timing out on the upload. I'm on a local connection. Are there some filesize limits? Can I change them? | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | filesize limits in two places, Apache, and WebGUI | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | check out the wikis on webgui.org for this | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it is quite well documented there | 19:26 |
| Mech422 | perlDreamer: I have a stupid testing question... I want to try the new wG beta you so kindly packaged... but I usually use the wre to install... | 19:26 |
| Mech422 | how can I make it install the beta ? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | checking... | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the stable and beta branches have certain crossing points | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're not at such a crossing point on the stable, you can't upgrade to beta | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you can only install it | 19:28 |
| Mech422 | this would be a fresh install on a freshly compiled wre | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | then you're golden | 19:29 |
| Mech422 | I was hoping there was a filename/uri somewhere I could change to get it to install the beta for me ? | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | no, there are plans for that with a "beta" WRE, but the one we have now requires manual install for beta | 19:29 |
| Mech422 | (I use 'automated install' from the wre console ) | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, choose manual install | 19:29 |
| dhelsten | Found it. Thanks. BTW, I notice that searching takes me to the old site design. | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yup. That's a posted bug, dhelsten | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the new site design is giving the bug board a workout :/ | 19:30 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: cool - maybe since your in a good mood, later you can ed-u-ma-cate me on moving my 'layout' from the old dev setup to the new dev setup ? | 19:32 |
| Mech422 | btw - gotta love virtual machines for this stuff :-) | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, although I'm not sure what old dev vs. new dev is like | 19:32 |
| Mech422 | I'm just gonna spin the new wre/wG in a fresh vm to see how it works :-) | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | cool :) | 19:32 |
| Mech422 | umm - its fairly recent - like from december I think... mostly I think its figuring out how to 'export' templates from the db | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like WGDev | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | which is a separate package | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | needs to be installed by hand, but you'll thank yourself for doing it | 19:33 |
| Mech422 | oh - I thought there was some check box I had to click on the items in wG and maybe some 'export action' ? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that would be export packages | 19:34 |
| Mech422 | I'm sure there was a 'make this exportable' or make this a package' type checkbox ? | 19:34 |
| Mech422 | yeah yeah - thats the ticket! | 19:34 |
| Mech422 | sounds like good stuff | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | you can do that now | 19:35 |
| Mech422 | Can I use it for moving stuff from 1 box to another ? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes! | 19:35 |
| Mech422 | nifty! | 19:35 |
| * perlDreamer goes to load the truck | 19:35 | |
| +perlDreamer | be back in an hour or so | 19:35 |
| Mech422 | I shall seek further enlightenment after my wre build finishes | 19:35 |
| Mech422 | thanks pd! | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, in channel you can also ask topsub, ekennedy and some others. | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | They are very knowledgeable WebGUI users and devs | 19:36 |
| Mech422 | ahh - more people to pester!! I can be a multi-purpose pest! | 19:38 |
| Mech422 | :-D | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | What's new? | 19:51 |
| dhelsten | Strange. I created a new template and specified it as prototype in the meta tab. Now none of my assets appear in the admin console...any thoughts? | 20:03 |
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| dhelsten | OK, shut down the browser and reloaded. Seems OK now... | 20:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | browser caching. yuck | 21:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | check this out: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m625c1ca | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm pretty sure this is caused by a setRow somewhere in WG::VersionTag | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I don't know which | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | for some reason default tmpl_vars seem to turn up in the field list | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea's where this can be shortcut? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it's coming from ->set, but it's being passed bad data | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | look for bad references in the Bazaar | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | btw: it happening for an extension of a bazaar item | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | my code isn't calling VersionTag->set at all | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's in BazaarItem | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | checked that too | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | also | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | the locig in VersionTag->set seems to prevent injection of wrong keys | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | food's ready | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | bbl | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | l8r, d00d | 22:13 |
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| +cap10morgan | what do you all think about adding a feature to the new CDN stuff where it will spit out CDN URLs if the local storage location has the .cdn file OR if it doesn't exist? | 22:24 |
| +cap10morgan | i ask because i'm trying to get it to not need the local storage location | 22:25 |
| +cap10morgan | but maybe that's a bigger can of worms | 22:25 |
| CIA-46 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rbf89bd0 / build.sh : fixing for suse - http://bit.ly/TLMme | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I think if you wanted to add some error handling, that would be okay. | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | ha | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | found the bastard! | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but the part about it not needing the local storage location sounds like an RFE to me. | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | the origin of the problem lies in VersionTag->get | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer, just for fun. Do you see what's wrong in there | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it returns a reference to a copy of the internal hash data | 22:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not returning a copy | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's returning the exact same ref | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | it shoud do { %{ $self->{ _data } } } | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, yes! | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | I read that line a gazillion times | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | and to make matters worse | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too :( | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, make a quick test for it, then commit it with a patch | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is triggered in I have a workflow activity that's calling that method, and passing the output through the tmplate parser | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it wouldn't append those session.form stuff | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if I'd find it within a day... | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll fix it wednesday | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hate these kind of bugs | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | they're very hard to track down | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that if we had a common base class, we'd have a lot fewer problems | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then you only have to check once | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:48 |
| @preaction | DBIx::Class! | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | doesn't Moose do this already? | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but Moose and DBIx::Class suck | 22:48 |
| @preaction | says who? | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, if it was so good, they would have built it into perl in the first place | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | haha | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Not buying that argument? ;) | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have to admit that perl is the nicest language I've ever programmed in | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it does have it's... | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | uhm | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | idiosyncracies | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you call that | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | warts | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is proven by the bug I just trackeddown | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | 'possibilities' | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but in this case perl did exactly what it was told to do | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it probably felt very bad about doing it, too | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | every language always what it is told too | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | to* | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | sometimes it's just nice if it is asking you if you really mean what you say | 22:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey! | 22:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, beliebt frau | 22:58 |
| dreamersgirl | hola | 22:58 |
| dreamersgirl | :) | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | gutenabend! | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, having bad brain day | 22:58 |
| dreamersgirl | guten abend! | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to add an event to a calendar right now using addChild | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | no workflows | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | just do it now, please | 22:59 |
| dreamersgirl | ttfn--class is starting a bit early | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | bye | 22:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | and what the problem | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | too many children talking | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I told it to skip autocommitworkflows | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but then never manually committed the tag | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | so what's the problem, apart from your children | 23:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe you want to call requestCommit | 23:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | that would work, too | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I just put it into the same tag as its parent, and $tag->commit did the whole thing | 23:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | doesn't requestCommit do some other crap as well apart from committing the tag? | 23:04 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 23:04 | |
| @preaction | it runs the workflow that the tag is attached to | 23:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's you recommended ICAL parser? | 23:32 |
| @preaction | hell, uh... | 23:33 |
| @preaction | i think it was Text::vCard | 23:33 |
| @preaction | but that was 3 years ago | 23:33 |
| @preaction | there must be better ones out there now | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | http://search.cpan.org/~alexmv/Data-ICal-0.15/ | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Jonathan Rockaway gives it 5 starts | 23:36 |
| @preaction | yeah, i was looking there and gonna suggest it as a good candidate | 23:37 |
| @preaction | i like how fully-featured it is | 23:37 |
| @preaction | also, if you're rewriting our ical feed producer, make it an aspect? | 23:38 |
| @preaction | EMS should use it, as should PMS and I can imagine many other things | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll remember that | 23:39 |
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| topsub | webgui site down? | 01:27 |
| topsub | demo.webgui.org didn't pull up for me | 01:27 |
| @preaction | we're having a DNS problem right now | 01:27 |
| topsub | ah | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | no svn | 01:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is just too funny: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/06/wall_outlet_wall.html | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | been without svn for 30 minutes | 01:59 |
| * perlDreamer notices some muscle spasms and twitches | 01:59 | |
| @preaction | i haven't been able to get anything done today. i'm starting to get just a little pissed off | 02:00 |
| @preaction | considering i'm already a week behind. | 02:00 |
| SDuensin | preaction - I hear that. It's 6pm here and I've not done crap for myself or my projects. | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I have the posted iCal bug fixed | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | along with 2-3 others | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | the good news is that nobody else is submitting new bugs :) | 02:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay, bits! | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | there are bits again | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no | 03:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but no secure bits | 03:03 |
| topsub | ugh still dns issues? | 03:12 |
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| +danny_mk | hmmm.... can anyone get to www.webgui.org? | 03:58 |
| @preaction | danny_mk: we're having DNS issues right now | 03:59 |
| +danny_mk | Ah, OK | 03:59 |
| +danny_mk | thank you. | 03:59 |
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| +danny_mk | hmmm... my installation of WebGUI 7.6.27-stable is acting pretty weird | 04:29 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up, danny_mk? | 04:34 |
| +danny_mk | seems I can't delete assets | 04:34 |
| +danny_mk | pretty weird | 04:34 |
| +danny_mk | it just started today | 04:34 |
| +danny_mk | I am looking at logs now | 04:34 |
| +perlDreamer | my 7.6 dev site is working okay for delete | 04:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and by delete, you mean delete and not purge? | 04:36 |
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| +danny_mk | yeah, I figure it could be just a problem on my server | 04:37 |
| +danny_mk | yes, I mean like the X icon on an article | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's very odd | 04:38 |
| +danny_mk | yes, give me some time to figure it out. I just needed to vent a bit :-) | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat | 04:39 |
| +danny_mk | darnit! what the heck. Oh well, I am behind a proxy and have about seven virtual hosts | 04:40 |
| +danny_mk | "Spectre workflow runner request, but we're only allowed to accept requests from 127.0.0.1/32" | 04:41 |
| +danny_mk | obvious and now I can delete no problem | 04:41 |
| +danny_mk | AH! | 04:42 |
| +danny_mk | what an idiot, I just added another virtual host to my site and forgot to add it to my hosts file | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: the competition gets good press - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/oreilly/radar/atom/~3/KrIP-gOCqTE/want-a-job-learn-sharepoint-sa.html | 04:49 |
| @preaction | i like that, it means that no self-respecting programmer would be caught dead using it | 04:51 |
| SDuensin | You guys just need to promote the webdav stuff to "stable". That's one thing SP has. | 04:51 |
| @preaction | but it puts us even with them: 100% of the gov't has a license for WebGUI as well | 04:51 |
| +perlDreamer | the difference is, preaction, that they pay the US Government for that license | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's wasted money | 04:54 |
| @tavisto | hah | 04:54 |
| @preaction | which also means they believe they have an investment in the software, which makes them more likely to use it | 04:54 |
| @tavisto | yeah well I would actually like to see someone verify there numbers | 04:54 |
| @tavisto | er the numbers | 04:54 |
| @preaction | re: Sunk Cost Fallacy | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 04:55 |
| @tavisto | I do not believe the entire US Government has licenses for it.. And even if they do there's no way they are software assurance backed | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | "we have too much invested in this to throw it out" | 04:55 |
| SDuensin | You're attempting to apply logic to the US Government. That is bound to fail. | 04:55 |
| @tavisto | Meaning, when Sharepoint 2007 is released, most of those agencies would have to rebuy if they were on 200 | 04:55 |
| @tavisto | 2003 | 04:55 |
| @preaction | eh, the parts that I work with are pretty nice. they've got pretty decent heads on their shoulders | 04:56 |
| @tavisto | licensing MS products is so tricky that CDW has their own MS licensing people who do nothing except figure out how to sell it to organizations. I know this because a fraternity brother of mine does this for a living... And he's constantly puzzled | 04:56 |
| @preaction | one such part i would call the Best Client Ever | 04:56 |
| SDuensin | tavisto - Tell me about it. I had to figure it out once to build a web site for it. Made my brain melt. | 04:56 |
| @tavisto | When I worked at Pharmacia/Pfizer I had an MSDN subscription and so I didn't give a crap about licensing | 04:57 |
| SDuensin | MSDN is nice. You're allowed to self-abuse yourself all you want. :-P | 04:57 |
| @tavisto | however, just look at all the flavors of vista.... (even ultimate which didn't give you anything extra) | 04:57 |
| @tavisto | that's correct. :) | 04:58 |
| SDuensin | I have the bastard version of MSDN... Good buddy works for MS. :-D | 04:58 |
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| SDuensin | Still gotta pay, but it makes it easier. | 04:58 |
| @tavisto | with all the super geniuses and all-star marketing peeps at MS... You would think that someone would step up and say..... Make licensing easier and user friendly....... stupid! | 04:59 |
| SDuensin | Why should they? It'd just put people out of work. | 04:59 |
| @tavisto | hah nice... Yeah I guess I still have that subscription too SDuensin | 04:59 |
| Radix_ | You should see autodesk's stuff.. they have an incredibly bad system developed in SAP and you need a special indepth training program just to be able to provide a quote for one of their packages. | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | I loved it when the first Xbox came out. He shipped me every game they published at his cost. $10 a pop. :-D | 05:00 |
| SDuensin | Radix_ - I know that one all too well, too. Just *BUYING* 3D Studio when it first came out was a major undertaking. | 05:00 |
| Radix_ | yeah.. we are distributors for Navisworks.. and they got bought out by Autodesk. | 05:01 |
| Radix_ | All I have heard is cursing and swearing at autodesk since. | 05:02 |
| Radix_ | I've seen the ui that is used for quotes tho.. it's totally non-intuitive. | 05:02 |
| SDuensin | They recently put the worry in the game's industry. They now own *all* the major 3D content creation tools. | 05:02 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, pretty please internet plumbers. | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want to commit some bug fixes | 05:03 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 05:03 |
| @tavisto | yeah this DoS stuff sucks arse | 05:19 |
| Mech422 | tavisto: DoS on webgui.org ? | 05:30 |
| Mech422 | btw - regardign webdav - zope/plone also have 'full' ftp and webdav support, so its not just a sharepoint thing | 05:31 |
| * SDuensin dreams of the day dav is "standard" on WebGUI. <sigh> | 05:32 | |
| @preaction | Mech422: DoS on our DNS provider, so all our hosting clients are having problems too :( | 05:32 |
| Mech422 | oh shit | 05:33 |
| @preaction | yeah | 05:34 |
| Mech422 | if you don't mind - who's your provider ? | 05:34 |
| @preaction | worldwidedns.net | 05:35 |
| @tavisto | yeah they are getting murdered | 05:35 |
| Mech422 | hmm - never heard of them... | 05:35 |
| @preaction | well, presently. who knows what will happen tomorrow morning :p | 05:35 |
| Mech422 | we use easydns | 05:35 |
| @tavisto | yeah we used to back in the day | 05:35 |
| Mech422 | easydns has multiple data centers around the net so hopefully they'd withstand a DoS with only 'localized' failurs | 05:35 |
| Mech422 | tavisto: what do you like abour worldwidedns.net better ? Is there some killer feature or cost benefit vs. easydns ? | 05:36 |
| @tavisto | they've been in the same situation before. Although I think it's been a few years | 05:36 |
| Mech422 | btw - I know the founder of ultraDNS if you ever decide you want 'too much' dns :-P | 05:37 |
| @tavisto | You'd have to ask JT or maybe preaction knows. But they have multiple servers all over the globe | 05:37 |
| Mech422 | tavisto: 'they' == easydns or worldwide ? | 05:37 |
| @tavisto | worldwide | 05:37 |
| @preaction | not me, JT holds the keys to that | 05:37 |
| @tavisto | I'm fairly certain JT's decision was not based on cost | 05:38 |
| @tavisto | he knows our client's and their high expectations and we didn't go with them because they were cheap :) | 05:38 |
| @preaction | no, we wanted reliability. that's why we moved away from our previous providers | 05:38 |
| @tavisto | er clients sorry | 05:38 |
| Mech422 | ah - no biggie I was just curious - Hmm so they have a better tracke record then easydns (assuming easydns is your previous provider) | 05:39 |
| Mech422 | might be worth looking into | 05:39 |
| Mech422 | I just took on a new client with servers at voxel in NYC | 05:39 |
| @tavisto | easyDNS was not previous provider. I'm just saying we used them in years past | 05:39 |
| @tavisto | they have a great mail server service as well | 05:40 |
| Mech422 | I was _really_ impressed with them the other day - I filed a ticket and it was closed in less then 5 minutes | 05:40 |
| Mech422 | tavisto: yeah - I like the backup mail spools - very handy if you want to do maintenance on your primary mail server and need to shut it down for an hour | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | as far as I can see, all my sites are back up, email is up. | 05:41 |
| @tavisto | yep they are excellent | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it's only SVN which is down | 05:41 |
| @tavisto | I can't get to a few of the sites I know about | 05:41 |
| @tavisto | including cmsmatrix.org | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, who uses that? | 05:42 |
| Mech422 | tavisto: yeah - the client preferred them to rackspace and softlayer. I was quite surprised | 05:42 |
| @preaction | who would even want to? | 05:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be 1 page that says, "either use WebGUI, or sellout to M$" | 05:43 |
| @tavisto | son of ah | 05:43 |
| @tavisto | can't even get to webgui.org now | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been up and down all day long, tavisto | 05:44 |
| @tavisto | yeah.. super. | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | This is all YOUR FAULT perldreamer! | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no, tavisto | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I only break PB's machines | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | You should have never insulted that Russian hacker in IRC the other day | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't get to worldwidedns'es | 05:46 |
| @tavisto | I'm telling Rizen. | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm telling, too. | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | You flubbed that sale to the Rhode Island Knitting Accessories Manufacturers the other day | 05:47 |
| @tavisto | Nope! They signed with us | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Only because I was there to save your bacon | 05:47 |
| Mech422 | sorry guys, its my fault for actually being up in the AM today.. | 05:49 |
| Mech422 | I'm NEVER up in the AM | 05:49 |
| Mech422 | I woudl expect locust, plagues, and other natural disasters to follow | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, Mech422. It's your fault | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422: did you get your beta site up and running today? | 06:23 |
| topsub | hey PerlDreamer | 06:26 |
| topsub | and patspam | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, topsub! | 06:27 |
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| Mech422 | anyone know what version of imagemagick we're supposed to be using now ? | 07:29 |
| Mech422 | the getsources.sh in the wre source is trying to download an (old?) version thats not available ? | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | preaction, did you get the email from Vicky? | 07:40 |
| @preaction | which one? | 07:41 |
| @preaction | why the heck did she send it to info@plainblack.com | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | the latest came at like 11pm | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | I dunno, but I forwarded it to Rizen | 07:41 |
| @preaction | oh, now i understand, it was sent as a hosting alert | 07:42 |
| @preaction | which i'm not on that list | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | ah okay | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | not sure if he'll get the email in time but hopefully he will. Luckily it's 10:30 PDT | 07:42 |
| Mech422 | still having dns issues ? | 07:43 |
| @preaction | yes | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | aye, you know I looked online and worldwidedns had this issue in july 2008 | 07:43 |
| @tavisto | came right up on several sites talking about it | 07:43 |
| @preaction | but we have a plan in place to move to a new DNS provider if it's not fixed by morning | 07:43 |
| Mech422 | dam that sucks | 07:43 |
| Mech422 | hopefully all will be well by then | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | yeah that would be ideal | 07:47 |
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| SquOnk | Yellow! | 14:29 |
| +bartjol | purple! | 14:29 |
| ryuu_ro | Green! | 14:30 |
| +bartjol | alltogether that wil make an ugly site | 14:30 |
| SquOnk | Actually, yellow and purple wouldn't be that ugly since they're matching opposites. | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | ...it has some sort of psychological effect | 14:31 |
| +bartjol | but the added green? | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | Now, the green thing... | 14:31 |
| SquOnk | ...that would burn some brain cells | 14:31 |
| +bartjol | I made such a site once | 14:32 |
| SquOnk | Is 7.6.29 scheduled for tomorrow? | 14:32 |
| +bartjol | trid to convince them it was ugly | 14:32 |
| +bartjol | dunno | 14:32 |
| * SquOnk has nice improvements for the Debian package. | 14:32 | |
| +bartjol | cool | 14:32 |
| SquOnk | It will create databases from the get go. | 14:32 |
| SquOnk | No more zcat | mysql | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | No more grant such and such. | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | Just aptitude install webgui and be merry | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | There's also the dh-make-webgui-i18n tool | 14:33 |
| ryuu_ro | that sounds good | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | dh-make-webgui-i18n --lang Spanish | 14:33 |
| +bartjol | with auto translation? | 14:33 |
| SquOnk | Lo and behold, webgui-i18n-es will be built from SVN | 14:34 |
| SquOnk | bartjol: I'm not that good | 14:34 |
| +bartjol | ;) | 14:34 |
| Mech422 | anyone know how to reset a forgotten admin password via mysql ? | 14:59 |
| Mech422 | or failing that - anyone know where I tell wG the name of my mail server so it can actually send the passwd reset email ? :-P | 14:59 |
| Mech422 | ahh - google to the rescue :-) | 15:02 |
| +bartjol | oh, I am to late | 15:04 |
| Mech422 | bartjol: no, actually - it didn't work :-P | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | ah | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | well, you can reset it | 15:08 |
| +bartjol | and it will be 123qwe | 15:08 |
| +bartjol | I suppose you have db access? | 15:08 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I changed it in the authentication table | 15:08 |
| Mech422 | but I'm not sure if the md5sum was what it wanted ? | 15:09 |
| +bartjol | md5sum? | 15:09 |
| Mech422 | I'm not sure how the password is encrypted in the db | 15:09 |
| +bartjol | ah, well, you use a dummy | 15:10 |
| Mech422 | how would I go about resetting it to '123qwe' ? | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | wait 1 moment | 15:10 |
| Mech422 | thanks :-) | 15:10 |
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| +bartjol | ok it should be | 15:12 |
| +bartjol | update authentication set fieldData="RvlMjeFPs2aAhQdo/x" where userId="3" and fieldName="identifier"; | 15:13 |
| +bartjol | that is the user admin, btw | 15:14 |
| Mech422 | bartjol: no joy :-( | 15:15 |
| Mech422 | I think I horked it when I tried to get it to email me a new password - it couldn't find an email server on localhost and choked | 15:16 |
| Mech422 | but it looks like it added some entries to the authentication table | 15:16 |
| +bartjol | mm | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | doesn't work with me | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | either | 15:19 |
| +bartjol | try fieldData="RvlMjeFPs2aAhQdo/xt/Kg" | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | worked with me | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | Mech422: sorry I made a copy paste error | 15:22 |
| Mech422 | ahh.. | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | in the first mysql command | 15:22 |
| Mech422 | I'll try that - just a sec | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | it's also in the wiki: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/locked-out-of-webgui | 15:23 |
| Mech422 | yes! that worked :-) | 15:24 |
| +bartjol | good | 15:24 |
| Mech422 | yeah - I found a script on the site that was supposed to do it, but it was old and I was a bit nervous | 15:24 |
| +bartjol | :) | 15:24 |
| +bartjol | well, happy working! | 15:25 |
| Mech422 | thank you very much :-) | 15:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | so how's the wide world of WebGUI today? | 18:47 |
| @preaction | i'm learning Test::A8N! | 18:48 |
| @preaction | and writing a fixture for WebGUI | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like we have bits in the tubes today | 18:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | wishing I know more about auto form generation. | 18:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | knew | 18:49 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2: you mean WebGUI::HTMLForm and WebGUI::TabForm? | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | HTMLForm->dynamicForm, perlmonkey2 | 18:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | admin forms. | 18:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | adminConsole. | 18:50 |
| @preaction | those are generated through WebGUI::HTMLForm | 18:51 |
| @preaction | PM me your e-mail address and I can send you something you might like | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if you would review rev 11392, I would appreciate it. | 18:53 |
| @preaction | one sec | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | no rush | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | just before release today would be great | 18:53 |
| @preaction | now's better | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think we're going to ban the use of Airbus type airplanes for WUC related travel | 18:55 |
| @preaction | you left in some warnings looks like | 18:55 |
| CIA-44 | WebGUI: colin * r11392 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 18:56 |
| CIA-44 | WebGUI: Fix iCal processing in the Calendar module and workflow. Errors with | 18:56 |
| CIA-44 | WebGUI: generation and processing. | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | heh, I did, but they were actually from round 2 of debug | 18:57 |
| @preaction | looks good to me | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I was a little worried about the change in parsing | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | moving from lookbehind to straight line based with preprocessing | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but it will process iCal from WebGUI | 18:58 |
| @preaction | nah, that's much better than what i was doing with the buffer thing | 18:58 |
| @tavisto | is that new plane crash an airbus too? | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, tavisto | 18:58 |
| @tavisto | probably an a319/320 | 18:59 |
| @tavisto | my mom and sister are flying to Johannesburg in July for a mission trip... on an A340.. ugh | 18:59 |
| CIA-44 | WebGUI: colin * r11393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm: remove debug | 19:09 |
| CIA-44 | WebGUI: colin * r11394 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting calendar ical fixes. | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: if a DateTime objects sets the time zone on itself twice, that would be bad, yes? | 19:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: did you ever get my messages concerning those survey bugs? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | No, but email has been spotty the last several days | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sounded like the backporting was not possible | 19:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | not without reimplementing the solution to the previous framework. The internals chnaged quite a bit. | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's quite a bit more complicated than just svn merge -c newVersion | 19:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yes. Be glad to do it for some $pay :D | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm only in charge of beating people up for not backporting to the 7.6 branch | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I can offer you some karma ;) | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | you're beating up the wrong person then :P | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's hard to buy welders with that | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | money isn't really the issue, just time. Got too much else going now. But money does buy some of my time :P | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 19:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I need a steady job where someone just tells me what to do. I fail at being my own boss. | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, that's not a problem. I can tell you what to do. | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I just can't pay you :( | 19:43 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | My real problem is all my recent hobbies have taken me away from the web/perl world. | 19:52 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the gym, and ponders relative time zones | 20:00 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | There really isn't much of a fine line between calling process and get on returned form param is there. If it is okay for them to submit nothing and you will take a default value, you'd call process. But if you want their returned value to throw exceptions on, you'd call get. That sound correct? | 20:05 |
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| carogray | quick question? | 20:25 |
| carogray | which tab is content profiling on in Settings? | 20:25 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: is the progress bar also added to the 7.6 series? | 21:06 |
| carogray | ok more complicated one now...would you ever use a folder to store WebGUI articles - not for download, or would it make more sense simply to use a page per article..I am thinking about archiving newsletters. The newsletter feature isn't quite up to what we want at the minute... | 21:09 |
| @preaction | i don't think i have ever been more excited about something than I am right now | 22:08 |
| @preaction | Test::A8N is going to be so much awesome | 22:08 |
| * perigrin lets one of the authors know | 22:11 | |
| @preaction | i'm already bugfixing it and writing a tutorial for them ;) | 22:12 |
| perigrin | they'll really love that :) | 22:12 |
| @preaction | i forked their github project and have started committing | 22:12 |
| perigrin | the nachoman one? | 22:13 |
| @preaction | and i get the added benefit of being a good neighbor to Perl 5 community on behalf of WebGUI | 22:13 |
| @preaction | yeah, seems a little different from the CPAN one though | 22:13 |
| perigrin | nacho is the one I just pasted your comments to | 22:13 |
| @preaction | but it works | 22:13 |
| * perigrin nods | 22:13 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | preaction: wow, yeah, that does seem pretty dang cool. | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: no progress bar in 7.6 | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want the sweets, ya gotta upgrade | 22:14 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: thanks. we're having some major problems that the PB would solve on the alumni site | 22:14 |
| @preaction | but we have a showstopper preventing us from upgrading at the moment, and i keep getting too distracted to fix it | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be relatively easy to patch in | 22:14 |
| @preaction | (officially distracted, not just "oh look a birdy" distracted) | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | add the module | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | then instrument whatever sub you need | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | 45 minutes of work | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | per sub | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | with hand testing and i18n | 22:15 |
| perigrin | ooh look birdy | 22:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | shiny | 22:15 |
| @preaction | humph. i'm too lazy. i don't want to repeat work | 22:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | in the A8N example, it says -login.... Does that single line require a correct return state? Where does it specify what that is? | 22:16 |
| @preaction | your fixture has a sub called "login" or "ensure_user_is" or "add_asset" or "verify_timezone_is" | 22:17 |
| @preaction | your fixture is a subclass of Test::FITesque::Fixture | 22:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ic | 22:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | that clarifies it. | 22:17 |
| @preaction | that's the tutorial i'm writing now, how the hell the fixture works and processes stuff from the storytest file | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, Firefox 3.5 is out | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | with the new JS engine | 22:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: on b4 with F11. I'll hold off until it is integrated into the repos. | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | what is this <canvas> text thing they mention? | 22:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | btw, F11 has resolved every issue I've ever had with sound/mics. | 22:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: HTML5? | 22:20 |
| * perlDreamer doesn't know | 22:20 | |
| @preaction | yeah, it's an unofficial extention right now | 22:20 |
| @preaction | the ability to draw using JS inside the <canvas> | 22:20 |
| @preaction | i think it's also partly SVG as well | 22:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'd be interested if the YUI libs didn't use it. | 22:21 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | no, they use flash. | 22:21 |
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| seriftron | does anyone know much about search indexing in WG? i have a wiki on a 7.6 site that isn't getting indexed. supposedly, the index is updated upon commit, but this isn't happening. | 22:46 |
| seriftron | manually reindexing or updating works fine. | 22:46 |
| @preaction | any errors in the error log? | 22:46 |
| @preaction | what version are you running? | 22:46 |
| seriftron | no. and it's 7.6.25-stable | 22:47 |
| seriftron | i have a cron job to reindex every day for now, but from my understanding, it should be indexing on its own | 22:47 |
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| @preaction | i would see if 7.6.27 fixes that bug, or else i would submit a new bug about it | 22:48 |
| seriftron | k, will do. the cron job should be good enough until then...do you know of any changes that were made to versioning or search since 7.6.25? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | we don't allow features in stable versions, only bugfixes | 22:49 |
| seriftron | ok | 22:50 |
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| perigrin | preaction: nacho's recation was ":-D Awesome" | 23:02 |
| @preaction | sweet. it feels good to be on the cutting edge of something | 23:02 |
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| * perlDreamer is taking the boys to the park for a bit. | 23:37 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back at 3:00pm PDT. | 23:37 |
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