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Mech422 | SynQ2: ping? | 02:55 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11078 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): | 05:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Prevent head tags from appearing twice in wobjects. | 05:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: prepareView sets the extra head tags. Have all wobjects, in their www_view method, | 05:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: tell processStyle not to set the extra head tags again. | 05:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11079 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Backporting duplicated extraHeadTags fix. | 05:22 |
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elnino | what is wuc 2008's website? I'm trying to remember the dates for that event.... | 07:30 |
elnino | never mind found it.. Thanks! Have a good night. | 07:31 |
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JohnRestrepo | Hi guys | 17:46 |
JohnRestrepo | got a question about the way webgui encrypt the passwords | 17:46 |
JohnRestrepo | is this md5 128? | 17:47 |
JohnRestrepo | or 64? | 17:47 |
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+perlmonkey2 | JohnRestrepo: Digest::MD5 says it produces a 128 bit fingerprint. | 18:36 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11080 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add missing edit story and delete story icons in the view method of the Story Archive. | 19:39 |
perlmonkey21 | If there a WebGUI standard way of finding all the subclasses of a class? | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | if you mean like finding out that WebGUI::Asset::Wobject is a subclass of WebGUI::Asset | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | programmatically | 19:51 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: okay, I'll just stick a list somewhere. | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | would $obj->isa('Base::Class') do the job? | 19:52 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: no, I need a list to determine which object to create. | 19:53 |
perlmonkey21 | Actually an edit list for the user to determine which class should be used. | 19:53 |
perlmonkey21 | But it should be the sum total of all available subclasses, which makes sense to add them to a conf entry. | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds good to me | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | I need to take better notes | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | I was doing some bugfixing in the StoryArchive | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | and i noticed something else that I wanted to fix | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | but I wanted to keep the commits small and topical | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | so I held off doing it right away | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | now I can't remember what it was | 20:06 |
perlmonkey21 | where do you normally keep your notes? | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | I use TomBoy on the desktop | 20:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11081 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 20:10 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add edit and delete icons to the Story Topic. Update tests. Adjust both | 20:10 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: sets of templates. Use the correct privileges for displaying the icons. | 20:10 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Help and i18n. | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | it was important, too, dang it! | 20:10 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: heh, sweet, so do I. Very handy for quick notes. | 20:10 |
perlmonkey21 | you ready for the F11 release? 8 more days :D | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | I'm hoping they fix some long standing bugs with my laptop, but it's a small hope | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | the microphone works on some releases, but not others | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | and, if I cold boot my laptop without the power supply plugged in, the keyboard and mouse don't work 80% of the time | 20:13 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: same here. No problems with mics in F9, but F10 has been a pain. | 20:13 |
perlmonkey21 | ouch. | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | kind of puts the kink in portability | 20:13 |
perlmonkey21 | what kind of laptop do you have? | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | Dell Vostro 1510 | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | nice little box, aside from those issues | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | light and fast, nice display | 20:14 |
perlmonkey21 | strange, i'm running a vostro 1700 without issue | 20:14 |
perlmonkey21 | 64 bit install? | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | 32 | 20:15 |
perlmonkey21 | ah, I'm running 64 | 20:15 |
perlmonkey21 | not sure why that would make a difference. | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | are all the vostros 64 bit machines? | 20:16 |
perlmonkey21 | perlDreamer: depends on the proc you got, but I'd imagine so if it is even kind of recent. | 20:31 |
perlmonkey21 | I think some Vostro's were sold with Pentium M's for a while, but mine is one of the mobile dual cores with 64 bit archs. | 20:33 |
@Haarg | perlmonkey21, what class were you wondering about finding subclasses of? | 20:34 |
perlmonkey21 | Haarg: a new one that isn't in core. | 20:34 |
@Haarg | if there is a time when you want a full list of subclasses, there is WebGUI::Pluggable::find | 20:35 |
perlmonkey21 | Haarg: sweet, I'll play with that. Thanks. | 20:35 |
@Haarg | well, sub namespaces really. subclasses could have any package name. | 20:35 |
perlmonkey21 | yeah, I need subnamespaces :) | 20:35 |
@Haarg | depending on what you are doing though, the config file may be a better idea anyway | 20:35 |
perlmonkey21 | I just want the total list of classes which can be selected. Doing it programmatically just means one less place an admin can mess up :P | 20:36 |
@Haarg | well, sometimes admins have reasons for removing some subclasses from being selected | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | Ah! | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | I remembered it | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | The Story Archive and Story Topic need to be labeled beta in the Admin Console | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | And several other Assets, too | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | Map | 20:39 |
@Haarg | are they beta quality? | 20:40 |
@Haarg | the main reason we've done that in the past is because of things having lots of bugs | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | I thought we just did that for stuff that was very new | 20:40 |
+perlDreamer | I mean, Map and StoryManager are so new that hardly anyone has used them | 20:41 |
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* perlDreamer goes running, before it gets too hot | 20:57 |
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@preaction | from what I can tell we don't need to label either (beta), as the Story Manager works great, and the Map is so simple that there isn't much there to break. | 22:25 |
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+perlDreamer | it was already too hot | 22:57 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11082 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix Project Manager calling wrong method on right object. www_viewScreen now | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: uses mobile template if so enabled via calling processStyle. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11083 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File.pm File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm): Fix POD, and remove dead label/hoverhelp code which isn't used. | 23:23 |
@preaction | i wonder if we can ask some of the i18n translators to start marking certain strings as duplicates of other strings | 23:29 |
@preaction | so we can reduce the i18n size in webgui | 23:30 |
@preaction | i mean, we've probably translated the word "Save" about a dozen times in all the files | 23:30 |
+perlDreamer | easily | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | I think the real problem is on our end | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | it's hard to lookup i18n | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | so we end up just making new labels | 23:32 |
@preaction | right, but if our i18n translation tool can make a report of what items are duplicates, we can then go in and quickly fix them | 23:34 |
@preaction | ok: quick and urgent: How can I fix a single asset's (and descendants) lineage? it currently looks like this: 2TWIDU | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | I believe that cascadeLineage is what you want | 23:36 |
+perlDreamer | fix the lineage of the parent, and then call that and it should ripple down and fix them all | 23:37 |
@rizen | no | 23:37 |
@rizen | use rebuildLineage.pl | 23:37 |
@rizen | and see if you can find out what happened to screw up the lineage in that way | 23:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm File.pm): Backport POD and code cleanup for File and Photo | 23:38 |
@preaction | if i use rebuildLineage.pl, what happens to all the things they have ordered by rank? they've got some apps that use rank extensively (navigations and collaborations) | 23:39 |
@preaction | if they have to re-do it, and it's the only way, then that's the only way | 23:39 |
@preaction | it looks like the lineage it wanted to be was already taken for some reason | 23:40 |
@preaction | i've got an image, and i'll investigate later | 23:41 |
@preaction | what if i replaced the "XXXXXX" with "000001999999"? | 23:42 |
@preaction | that would put it under the root in a safe place then i could move it back to where it really supposed to be | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | that will lock out any new assets from being added to that level | 23:42 |
@preaction | then some other insanely high number will work | 23:43 |
@preaction | the idea being that the number isn't in use, so it will fit | 23:43 |
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@preaction | or i could just do what i did and setParent( $ROOT_ASSET ) | 00:06 |
@rizen | if it has a rank that's usable | 00:07 |
@rizen | then rebuildLineage will keep that rank | 00:07 |
@rizen | things only lose their rank if they don't have a usable rank of any kind | 00:07 |
@preaction | ahh | 00:07 |
@rizen | such as in the case where a lineage looks like IDLJKLDJKLJDJKLJDKJDKLHJKDL | 00:07 |
@preaction | right | 00:07 |
@rizen | rebuildLineage.pl is as safe as it can possibly be for what kind of a tool it is | 00:08 |
@rizen | just make sure you shut off the site while you run it | 00:08 |
@preaction | oh, that'd be another problem | 00:08 |
@rizen | so users don't try to move sutff while you are moving it | 00:08 |
@preaction | but it doesn't take long | 00:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Don't make a 2nd i18n object. | 00:08 |
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Mech422 | *sniffle* hello | 00:39 |
Mech422 | not too close - don't want you to catch my cold | 00:39 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer1: ping? | 00:42 |
perlDreamer1 | pong | 00:42 |
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Mech422 | hey :-) | 00:43 |
perlDreamer1 | howdy | 00:43 |
Mech422 | Oh! perfect timing | 00:43 |
Mech422 | rizen, PD - I ran some more testing this weekend | 00:43 |
@rizen | k | 00:43 |
Mech422 | is it possible changes in wre caused IM breakage? | 00:43 |
@rizen | you mean something other than IM itself? | 00:44 |
Mech422 | I can run the test suits for both IM and PerlMagic without issue | 00:44 |
Mech422 | rizen: yeah... | 00:44 |
@rizen | me too | 00:44 |
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@rizen | the test suites are not extensive though | 00:44 |
@rizen | and image magick in general works | 00:44 |
@rizen | it just doesn't work for graphing | 00:44 |
@rizen | with our graphing api | 00:44 |
Mech422 | Would it be possible to expand PD's test case to get more debugging info ? | 00:45 |
Mech422 | rizen: oh - I got 9.3 snapshot from friday building on amd6 | 00:45 |
Mech422 | rizen: need to talk about re-jiggering the build stuff as I had to build/patch a lot of stuff by hand | 00:45 |
@rizen | oh wait, are you talking about pD's test suite, or image magick's test suite? | 00:46 |
Mech422 | rizen: IM test suit passes, PD's doesnt' | 00:46 |
@rizen | right | 00:46 |
perlDreamer1 | Mech422, didn't you find that IM in WRE was built without graphics or fonts? | 00:47 |
perlDreamer1 | no png, no jpeg, no truetype? | 00:47 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer1: yeah - the build is just generally horked | 00:47 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer1: half the stuff gets built with the system libtool, then we build a libtool, but don't put it on the $PATH... | 00:48 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer1: I gave up and just rebuilt stuff by hand to make sure all the right pieces were picked up | 00:48 |
perlDreamer1 | can we diff the master build scripts between 0.9.1 and 0.9.3 to see what's changed? | 00:49 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer1: these look a lot different then the 'stable' build script - I think it might have been a re-write | 00:49 |
perlDreamer1 | you know I'm WRE ignorant, so please forgive the next question. Can the old 0.9.1 build script be used on the 0.9.3 versions of software? | 00:50 |
@rizen | no | 00:50 |
Mech422 | I'd actually like to just re-write the build scritps - it shouldn't take more then a couple of hours | 00:51 |
@rizen | version number incompatibilities everywhere | 00:51 |
@rizen | mech422 wtf would you want to do that | 00:51 |
perlDreamer1 | Mech422, but isn't a rewrite the problem that got us here in the first place? | 00:51 |
Mech422 | rizen: cuz it would take longer to fix the existing stuff ? | 00:51 |
@rizen | whenever i here "rewrite" about anything, i assume the person is ignorant or obtuse | 00:51 |
Mech422 | rizen: don't assume | 00:51 |
@rizen | you assume there is something wrong with the current ones | 00:52 |
@rizen | they build just fine on all of my platforms | 00:52 |
@rizen | save image magick | 00:52 |
@rizen | and even image magick works | 00:52 |
@rizen | except for poll charts | 00:52 |
Mech422 | rizen: no - I know there is something wrong with them - did you ever _read_ the build output ? | 00:52 |
@rizen | of course i did | 00:52 |
@rizen | i wrote the damn build script | 00:52 |
Mech422 | rizen: so why is libtool built half way thru the chain, then not used ? | 00:52 |
@rizen | it isn't, on my boxes | 00:53 |
Mech422 | its should either be build _first_ and _used_ or not built at all ? | 00:53 |
Mech422 | it isn't ?? are we talking about 9.3 ?? | 00:53 |
@rizen | if you have a proposal for making something better, explain what will be better about it | 00:54 |
@rizen | beyond that, telling me you're going to rewrite something isn't useful in the least | 00:54 |
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@rizen | what do we get by rewriting it | 00:54 |
Mech422 | rizen: first off - you should check your build and see if your seeing what I see... | 00:55 |
Mech422 | otherwise there are bigger issues | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer1 | Mech422, and are you able to run some unaltered scripts on a 32-bit box to double check? | 00:55 |
Mech422 | pd - not on 32 - dont' have one handy... | 00:56 |
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Mech422 | but surely someone has a 32bit box they can >& | tee the build log too ? | 00:56 |
@Haarg | mech422, what distro are you using? | 00:57 |
Mech422 | but I'm seeing stuff like: stuff being built and not used, system libs being used instead of wre custom libs, libraries not being found | 00:57 |
Mech422 | haarg: I'm on debian lenny | 00:57 |
@rizen | SynQ2 builds on lenny | 00:57 |
@rizen | 32 bit | 00:57 |
@rizen | he also hasn't reported what you['re seeing | 00:58 |
@rizen | he may not have looked | 00:58 |
@rizen | don't know | 00:58 |
@rizen | but he can compile cleanly | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI1, SynQ2: ping | 00:58 |
Mech422 | ok - in the original build.sh I have from friday - if you grep for 'libtool' - does it show up ? | 00:59 |
Mech422 | should be in buildUtils - also readline is in there... | 00:59 |
@rizen | i'm not saying it doesn't build libtool | 01:00 |
@rizen | i'm saying it uses it after it builds it | 01:00 |
@rizen | how do i know? | 01:00 |
@rizen | cuz if i take it out | 01:00 |
@rizen | then stuff stops building | 01:01 |
@rizen | i could be more precise than that | 01:01 |
@rizen | but i don't have a build log in front of me just now | 01:01 |
@rizen | one thing i know that uses it, is image magick | 01:02 |
Mech422 | ok - lets say I'm mistaken and it is being used - should it be used for _all_ the wre libs and not just some of them (ie shouldn't it be built first?) | 01:02 |
@rizen | it actually shouldn't matter as far as i'm aware | 01:03 |
@rizen | we've been running the wre for 5 years now like this, and it works | 01:04 |
@rizen | is it a bad practice | 01:04 |
@rizen | maybe | 01:04 |
@rizen | don't know | 01:04 |
@rizen | all i really care about is that shit works | 01:04 |
Mech422 | so if it shouldn't matter - why build it ? | 01:04 |
Mech422 | it just adds time and space ? | 01:04 |
@rizen | i just told you | 01:04 |
@rizen | image magick won't build if you don't build it | 01:04 |
Mech422 | you just said it shouldn't matter ? | 01:05 |
@rizen | every single thing in the wre is in there for a reason | 01:05 |
Mech422 | ok then.. | 01:05 |
@rizen | i said it didn't matter if EVERYTHING was built using that lib tool | 01:05 |
@rizen | i didn't say libtool didn't matter | 01:05 |
Mech422 | so wouldn't it be a good thing if openssl was built with the same libtool that apache and mysql are ? | 01:05 |
@rizen | i don' tknow, would it? | 01:05 |
@rizen | and if so, why would it | 01:06 |
@rizen | and why should i care if it works? | 01:06 |
@rizen | is it faster? | 01:06 |
@rizen | smaller? | 01:06 |
@rizen | better in some measurable way? | 01:06 |
Mech422 | because linking stuff with different options can cause bad things to happen | 01:06 |
Mech422 | libtool sets the options used to create shared libraries and such | 01:07 |
Mech422 | creating libs with different sets of options can be very bad | 01:07 |
@rizen | could you be more specific | 01:07 |
@rizen | "bad things" is too vague | 01:07 |
@rizen | what kind of bad things | 01:07 |
Mech422 | ok - it could break on 64bit stuff :-P | 01:07 |
@rizen | it could, or does? | 01:08 |
Mech422 | you could be mixing -O levels, symbol manginging C vs C++ calling conventions | 01:08 |
Mech422 | rizen: I dont _know_ - I just don't do that | 01:08 |
Mech422 | rizen: I don't play with fire to see how many types of burns I can get | 01:08 |
@rizen | then you and i are just 2 idiots stumbling around in the dark it sounds like | 01:09 |
Mech422 | oh god | 01:09 |
@rizen | i don't know | 01:09 |
@rizen | you don't know | 01:09 |
Mech422 | you seriously are gonna say you don't know if thats a bad idea ? | 01:09 |
@rizen | i'm not trying to piss you off | 01:09 |
@rizen | i'm trying to understand | 01:09 |
@rizen | and to be educated, i'm not going to educate myself with someone else's gueses | 01:09 |
Mech422 | and would use C extensions created for perl 5.8 (blibs or whatever) in a perl 5.10 environment without recompiling them ? | 01:10 |
@rizen | i've already said i don't know if it's a bad idea. all i know for sure is that it works. | 01:10 |
@rizen | who's doing that? | 01:10 |
@rizen | not me | 01:10 |
Mech422 | noo - but your happy to do it with C code (via libtool) | 01:11 |
hansw | guys, seeing you having this discussion, a question rises here, will webgui run on parrot? :-) | 01:11 |
@preaction | hansw: not presently, because perl5 does not run on parrot | 01:11 |
@rizen | hansw: no, because there is no perl5 build for parrot | 01:11 |
hansw | I did type a smiley :-) | 01:11 |
@rizen | Mech422: i'm happy to change the order and see if it still compiles, if that's what you're trying to get at. | 01:12 |
hansw | ok, time to get some sleep, maybe even work on webgui tomorrow, night all | 01:12 |
@rizen | all i'm saying, and all i've been saying this entire time is that build.sh is a known quantity. it does work, and has worked for more than 5 years | 01:12 |
@rizen | night hansw | 01:13 |
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Mech422 | rizen: comment it out on a box that has libtool installed... and see if it builds | 01:14 |
Mech422 | rizen: my box _has_ libtool already, and thats was gets used | 01:14 |
Mech422 | (unless I totally missed something) | 01:14 |
@rizen | all of the boxes that i compile on already have libtool | 01:15 |
Mech422 | rizen: Hmm - I could go into the IM dir and make configure but thats gonna get my system libtool | 01:15 |
@rizen | and i already know it won't work | 01:15 |
@rizen | libjpeg it turns out is the thing that won't build on my system without libtool | 01:16 |
Mech422 | rizen: and I don't see where /wre/prereqs/bin is added to $PATH to pick up the wre libtool | 01:16 |
@rizen | setevnironment of course | 01:16 |
@rizen | line 692 | 01:16 |
@rizen | calls set environment | 01:16 |
@rizen | setenvironment.sh | 01:17 |
@rizen | this is the very first line of setenvironment.sh | 01:17 |
@rizen | export PATH=/data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:$PATH | 01:17 |
Mech422 | Ahh... | 01:19 |
Mech422 | that I didn't know/see/find | 01:19 |
Mech422 | in that case - moving libtool up to be one of the first things built would ensure the same tool is used for all libs | 01:21 |
Mech422 | I needed these: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2c11d28a options for the freetype compile | 01:24 |
Mech422 | and these options for image magick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m11c1d060 | 01:25 |
Mech422 | using --with-gnu-ld I didn't need the LD=ld thing - not sure if that was for a specific platform or something | 01:25 |
Mech422 | $SSLCFGOPTS ./config --prefix=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs shared; checkError $? "o | 01:26 |
Mech422 | penssl configure" | 01:26 |
Mech422 | that won't work in bash | 01:26 |
Mech422 | its only enabled on 64bit builds - but $SSLCFGOPTS won't expand the way you think it will | 01:27 |
Mech422 | has to do with funky bashisms - I spent an hour on #bash trying to find how to make it work and just coded around it | 01:27 |
@rizen | i don't mean to sound ungrateful, but could you send me an email with this stuff or better yet, put it right into build.sh | 01:27 |
@rizen | rather than typing it all into IRC | 01:27 |
@rizen | i am working on fixing the current image magick problem, not concerning myself with 64 compile problems right at the moment | 01:28 |
Mech422 | rizen: yeah - I ran the complete webgui test suite, the IM test suite adn the Perlmagic test suite | 01:29 |
Mech422 | I'd guess the problem is something in wre changed how it works with IM - IM, PM, and everything else wre seem fine | 01:29 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer has the logs from the test suite run | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | the last test suite run said that IM was pretty broken, Mech422. | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | Storage/Image and several other tests had failures | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | you haven't sent me logs from the latest and greatest 64-bit compile | 01:30 |
Mech422 | Umm - yeah, we know IM is broken in wre | 01:31 |
Mech422 | or did those test pass for rizen ? | 01:31 |
@rizen | how do you do the equivalent of "svn export" in git | 01:31 |
@Haarg | from a remote repository or a local one? | 01:32 |
@rizen | i have the repo locally, but i don't care, any way will o | 01:33 |
@rizen | do | 01:33 |
@Haarg | i haven't actually done that so i'd have to look | 01:33 |
@Haarg | git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/destination/path/ | 01:34 |
@Haarg | i'm sure the extra options and obtuse command name will win your favor | 01:34 |
@rizen | yeah, gotta love git's user friendliness | 01:36 |
@rizen | how the hell is anybody ever supposed to remember that | 01:36 |
@Haarg | hah | 01:38 |
@Haarg | better than the export command i have in my .gitconfig | 01:38 |
@Haarg | git archive --format=tar HEAD | (mkdir -p $0 && cd $0 && tar xf -) | 01:38 |
@rizen | not really | 01:39 |
@rizen | the one you just gave me works | 01:39 |
@rizen | sorry, i mean doesn't work | 01:39 |
@rizen | no error | 01:39 |
@rizen | just returned to the command line | 01:39 |
@rizen | nothing happens | 01:39 |
@Haarg | you are in the local git repo's directory? | 01:40 |
@Haarg | it did work for me when i just tried it | 01:40 |
@rizen | yup | 01:41 |
@rizen | figured it out | 01:43 |
@rizen | if you don't put a / at the end of your prefix | 01:44 |
@rizen | then it prepends the prefix to all the folder name | 01:44 |
@rizen | s | 01:44 |
@rizen | i did: git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/tmp/wrebuild | 01:44 |
@rizen | and ended up with wrebuildsbin | 01:44 |
@rizen | wrebuildt | 01:44 |
@Haarg | useful | 01:44 |
@rizen | yeah | 01:44 |
@Haarg | would be nice if they had a porcelain command for that | 01:45 |
@rizen | would be nice if git didn't suck so much. =) | 01:45 |
@rizen | just kidding haarg. what are you doing with that gun. | 01:45 |
@rizen | put it away | 01:45 |
@rizen | this is not the time or place | 01:45 |
@rizen | noooooooooooooo!!!! | 01:45 |
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@rizen | luckily for me i have 94 lives | 01:46 |
@Haarg | yeah, and i only have one accurate bullet | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | 94 rizens on wall | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | 94 rizens | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | take one down and shoot it! | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | 93 rizens on the wall | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | this is going to take a long time | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | foreach (reverse 1..93) { sprintf "%d rizens on wall\n%d rizens\ntake one down and shoot it!\n%d rizens on the wall\n", $_, $_, $_-1} | 01:50 |
@Haarg | sprintf? | 01:51 |
+perlDreamer | didn't want it to actually run | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | or were you suggesting that I run something in Template::Toolkit instead? | 01:53 |
@Haarg | you are too nice | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, also practical | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | this channel is logged | 01:53 |
+perlDreamer | and if rizen is found with 93 bullet holes, it'd look suspicious | 01:53 |
Mech422 | rizen: could you check it t/Asset/File/Image.t passes on your build please ? | 02:00 |
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@rizen | have you ever noticed that both the world and IRC continue moving even when you're not there | 02:29 |
@rizen | Mech422: no i cannot. i'm rebuilding the wre right now | 02:29 |
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@preaction | yep | 02:29 |
@preaction | i found the problem: AssetManager called setRank, but setRank failed somewhere. writing some tests to make this not happen again | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | there are some setRank tests in AssetLineage | 02:33 |
@preaction | with full coverage. of course. | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | no | 02:34 |
* perlDreamer is shamed | 02:34 |
@preaction | i'm looking at it right now, full coverage. the 0 up there is POD | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | that can't be possible | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't test for max rank? | 02:35 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * rad7ad52 / (4 files in 2 dirs): changing image magick version to -10 - http://bit.ly/10onbn | 02:35 |
@preaction | i think that's what cascadeLineage checks | 02:35 |
@rizen | hey! somebody updated CIA to support git | 02:35 |
@preaction | yup ;) | 02:35 |
@preaction | and the git support is far faster than the svn support | 02:35 |
@rizen | nice job preaction | 02:35 |
@rizen | apparently | 02:35 |
@preaction | oh, i think it was haarg | 02:35 |
@rizen | oh well good job haarg then | 02:36 |
@preaction | but anyway, i'll write tests for the AssetManager then, because that is what calls set rank and blows things up | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | you can setRank to anything you want in the world | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | the only thing that checks is getNextChildRank | 02:38 |
@preaction | it's a necessary feature right now though | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | it is? | 02:38 |
+perlDreamer | what if I setRank to xxyyzz7 | 02:38 |
@preaction | because the way setRank works, it sets one asset to a randomly generated GUID string, then does the swap | 02:39 |
@preaction | since the GUID has no chance of being "00001", it won't show up while the work's being done | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | good point | 02:39 |
@rizen | the rank is never set to a guid | 02:39 |
@rizen | the url is | 02:39 |
@preaction | the lineage is set to a random string so that we can move things around | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, it's 906 in AssetLineage | 02:40 |
@preaction | problem is, setRank seems to get halfway through and then stops. and i think it's because multiple ranks are getting changed during the same request (something we've never allowed until the new asset manager) | 02:40 |
@rizen | that's dumb | 02:41 |
@rizen | i'm stupid for doing that | 02:41 |
@preaction | eh, it works. though it could be anything like 000002 or 000005 | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | those are valid GUID substrings | 02:41 |
@preaction | it also ensures that during the operation (which could be long), the assets don't show up anywhere | 02:42 |
@preaction | so it's part of being thread-safe | 02:42 |
@rizen | yeah, but we could do 000000 as a prefix | 02:42 |
@rizen | that's a root that doesn't exist | 02:42 |
@rizen | because the root is 000001 | 02:43 |
@rizen | that would also ensure the same thing | 02:43 |
@rizen | but would still be a valid lineage | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | but what if two people move things in the asset manager at the same time? | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | I know, that's rare | 02:43 |
@rizen | you either generate a random number or an incrementer after the prefix | 02:44 |
@rizen | 000000 000001 | 02:44 |
@rizen | or 000000 030394 | 02:44 |
@preaction | what if we use the tempspace folder? that way if the setRank dies for some weird reason, it's easier to recover while we investigate what caused it | 02:44 |
@rizen | "000000" . sprint("%06d", rand(999999)) ought to work nicely | 02:45 |
@rizen | sprintf that is | 02:45 |
@rizen | we could also use tempspace | 02:46 |
@rizen | that's valid | 02:46 |
@rizen | just know that if it gets left in there for 6 hours | 02:46 |
@rizen | it will be deleted | 02:46 |
@rizen | actually it may not even be 6 hours | 02:46 |
@rizen | i don't remember how long the timeout is | 02:46 |
@rizen | i think it's 6 hours | 02:46 |
@preaction | okay, maybe not so good. 000000 better | 02:46 |
@rizen | but it might just be 1 | 02:46 |
@preaction | it's easy to write a little script that moves the asset from 000000 to 000001 | 02:46 |
@preaction | in fact, that's how i fixed the client site | 02:47 |
@preaction | it works even with X#HN$S | 02:47 |
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Mech422 | stupid question... | 03:26 |
Mech422 | has the hash dir handling for uploads changed in 9.3 ? | 03:26 |
Mech422 | according to the Poll.t test, its looking for : | 03:27 |
Mech422 | /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c/6c3cf96d57c7b3287dcbe706d38bc270/po | 03:27 |
Mech422 | llck6chzI-35vvpv-k0WfsDA.png | 03:27 |
Mech422 | but /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c doesn't _exist_ ?? | 03:27 |
@preaction | is there an error in the webgui.log file? perhaps about not being able to create the temp/6c directory? | 03:29 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r5555a5a / (5 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked survey files from master - http://bit.ly/vaDDp | 03:29 |
Mech422 | preaction: which log would that be? all I can find is the access log ? | 03:33 |
@preaction | the webgui log should be in /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log | 03:33 |
Mech422 | wow - now the whole /temp is gone... I wonder if the test harness creates that ? | 03:34 |
@preaction | yes, it's a temporary storage location | 03:34 |
@preaction | it should clean itself up | 03:35 |
@preaction | this is now the third bug i have to "fix" that i can't reproduce: Somehow a user can screw up a large portion of the site's lineage from the web interface | 03:35 |
* perlDreamer has a guess on how to reproduce | 03:38 |
@preaction | big, slow site? | 03:38 |
@preaction | and a user submitting content while the lineage is being cascaded? | 03:38 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps, I was more thinking that the "random" GUID actually clashed | 03:38 |
@preaction | not possible, there were no errors in the logs | 03:39 |
@preaction | it's like the process just stopped halfway through | 03:39 |
@preaction | i checked for duplicate key errors, none | 03:39 |
+perlDreamer | it would fail before making a duplicate lineage | 03:40 |
+perlDreamer | since the column is marked as unique | 03:40 |
+perlDreamer | and it would throw an error into at least apache error log | 03:40 |
@preaction | right, it would fail hard with a DUPLICATE KEY mysql error, which would be a fatal and would go all the way into the modperl log | 03:41 |
@preaction | well, in theory | 03:41 |
@preaction | but it's happened more than once on this site, and it has never happened to my knowledge on any other site | 03:41 |
+perlDreamer | so what's so special about this one site? | 03:43 |
@preaction | it's the Alumni site | 03:43 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 03:43 |
@preaction | it's got a huge number of users, it's got 65,000 assets | 03:43 |
@preaction | the thing they were changing was a huge section, timed out actually (but still completed when I did it) | 03:44 |
+perlDreamer | where do mysql errors get logged? | 03:45 |
@preaction | webgui log and modperl log (since they're fatal) | 03:45 |
@preaction | checked both, nothing fatal in either | 03:45 |
+perlDreamer | where do the mysql daemons themselves log? | 03:45 |
@preaction | didn't check that | 03:46 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just wondering how it would react to having mysqld go away in the middle | 03:46 |
@preaction | poorly | 03:47 |
@preaction | but last time mysql was restarted was 090527 | 03:47 |
@preaction | 5 days ago, when there were some other problems that required restarting it | 03:47 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: JT Smith master * r4e2690e / (build.sh getperlmodules.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): | 03:49 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: added Test-Harness-3.17 | 03:49 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: repositioned libtool to go first in build sequence - http://bit.ly/sFWQe | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | Test-Harness 3.17! | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | yes! | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, you're awesome | 03:49 |
@rizen | i'm welcome? | 03:49 |
+perlDreamer | sure, come on over anytime | 03:50 |
+perlDreamer | I'll even pick you up at the airport | 03:50 |
+perlDreamer | instead of making you ride the max like when khenn comes to visit | 03:50 |
@preaction | OH! What if while ONE setRank is running, another setRank gets run for that same asset? | 03:51 |
@preaction | the Proxy Error shows up, BUT the setRank keeps running (mod_perl process keeps going anyway) | 03:51 |
@preaction | or maybe the proxy error actually stopped the setRank from continuing | 03:52 |
* preaction is reading the client's report. | 03:53 |
@preaction | i love the alumni group. they give us detailed reports, they don't leave out information, they don't make us ask a billion questions | 03:53 |
+perlDreamer | do they answer questions on bug reports? | 03:53 |
* perlDreamer has been waiting two weeks for a reponse from one user | 03:54 |
@preaction | yep, usually right away even | 03:54 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 03:54 |
@preaction | they test thoroughly, usually coming up with corner cases nobody ever thought of | 03:54 |
@preaction | they are in almost every way a perfect client | 03:54 |
@preaction | there needs to be a mechanism where we can take these long-running process and make spectre or something non-user do them | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | I agree | 03:55 |
@preaction | a way to just quick build a workflow, run it, and have it delete itself | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | and then notify the user via their inbox that they are done | 03:55 |
+perlDreamer | like assetExport | 03:56 |
+perlDreamer | or the editBranch | 03:56 |
@preaction | or if we add some way to version lineage and be able to undo, the commit would be handled by spectre | 03:58 |
+perlDreamer | not if it runs in realtime | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | which is the default | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | but we can have it check for a timeout | 04:00 |
+perlDreamer | and pick up in the right place | 04:00 |
@preaction | yeah, that's easy enough | 04:00 |
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+perlDreamer | okay, off for daddy time now | 04:06 |
+perlDreamer | be back later | 04:06 |
@rizen | later | 04:09 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11086 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm): Remove multiple delete buttons for photos in the Story. Ala GalleryFile/Photo. | 04:52 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r77b0080 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js : | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: are used (max,min,step all undefined) - http://bit.ly/PCrH2 | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r382c5e0 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js : | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Switched from document.getElementsByClassname to | 04:53 |
CIA-23 | webgui: YAHOO.util.DOM.getElementsByClassName - http://bit.ly/ucW5r | 04:53 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11087 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/ResponseJSON.pm: | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey Date question type server-side validation, and made | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: all validation messages generate debug output | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11088 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: are used (max,min,step all undefined) | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11089 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Switched from document.getElementsByClassname to | 05:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: YAHOO.util.DOM.getElementsByClassName | 05:07 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: is there a pastebin that lets you upload a file as paste contents? | 05:39 |
@preaction | i don't know, i don't think so | 05:39 |
+perlDreamer | I use the nopaste program that Haarg told me about | 05:41 |
+perlDreamer | App::Nopaste, I believe | 05:41 |
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CIA-23 | webgui: patspam flux * rc0ac911 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t): | 05:51 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it | 05:51 |
CIA-23 | webgui: git-svn-id: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI@11090 ba3075da-5205-0410-b03c-ad9aa4846add - http://bit.ly/11MtyX | 05:51 |
+perlDreamer | naff? | 05:52 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11090 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it | 05:54 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, what is "naff"? | 06:18 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: I'll see if google can translate it for me into american | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | google translate doesn't seem to have an australian setting | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | the language must be beyong the grasp of standard computational science! | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | wikipedia has it, though | 06:38 |
+perlDreamer | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/naff | 06:39 |
+perlDreamer | and since I don't think you were calling it heterosexual, you must mean "in bad taste" | 06:39 |
@preaction | im thinking he meant "something that is poorly thought out, doesn't really work, or is otherwise not very good" | 06:42 |
Mech422 | what? you eman the Survey _Is_ available ? | 06:43 |
Mech422 | s/eman/mean/ | 06:43 |
Mech422 | I know some guys in San Fran that have been dying to meet Survey.... | 06:44 |
@preaction | it's been available since 7.6 | 06:44 |
Mech422 | they are gonna be over joyed! | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | like, totally | 06:44 |
@preaction | 7.7 has made it quite usable | 06:44 |
Mech422 | hehe | 06:44 |
@preaction | there needs to be a way to let any asset be a map or a point on a map | 06:45 |
@preaction | or somehow put points on a map | 06:45 |
@preaction | some kind of WebGUI::AssetAspect::Locator | 06:45 |
Mech422 | G'nite all :-) | 06:51 |
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+perlDreamer | do we have a WUC 2k9 map asset yet? | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | for users to register where they come from? | 06:55 |
@preaction | ooh good idea | 06:56 |
@preaction | once tabb is done with fixing the crappy templates i threw together, we'll have to put one up | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | but she'll only get to your crappy templates after she finishes with _my_ crappy templates | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | and trust me, mine are way crappier than yours | 06:57 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, is your commit 11089 the fix for this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10425 ? | 07:33 |
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SynQ2 | morning | 10:13 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11091 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Keywords.pm): Fixed #9920 Survey: cannot add questions in IE | 10:22 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11092 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm t/Content/AssetManager.t): added tests for asset manager | 11:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11093 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Template/packed.t: added tests for packed templates | 11:37 |
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Mech422 | anyone know the url for cloning the wre git repo ? | 13:39 |
Mech422 | nm | 13:44 |
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Magnetic | So, anouther newb here. I have looked over the webgui.org docs quite a bit, however would anyone know of any good blogs that have indepth details and tutorials on the cms? | 15:44 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11094 /Too many paths: Merge changes in head into thingy-object-seperation branch | 16:23 |
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@bopbop | SynQ2: got a minute? | 16:49 |
SynQ2 | here I am | 16:50 |
SynQ2 | :) | 16:50 |
SynQ2 | sure | 16:50 |
SynQ2 | what up? | 16:50 |
@bopbop | are you sure you want to donate that much karma? | 16:51 |
@bopbop | we just wanted to give you the opportunity to be involved since it came so closely to your offer on the forums | 16:51 |
SynQ2 | well, if that means that plainblack is going to spend 100.000 karma | 16:51 |
@bopbop | ok, I just don't want you to commit to it and then regret it | 16:51 |
SynQ2 | does it mean that I can submit to the contest too? | 16:52 |
@bopbop | sure | 16:52 |
SynQ2 | so for each entry I put in myself I can support 9 more entries | 16:52 |
@bopbop | nope | 16:53 |
SynQ2 | no? | 16:53 |
@bopbop | the karma for submission is per user | 16:53 |
SynQ2 | oh but not in my suggestion | 16:53 |
@bopbop | we used to do per entry | 16:53 |
@bopbop | no, not in your suggestion | 16:53 |
@bopbop | however, | 16:53 |
SynQ2 | if not my suggestion exactly then I want to reconsider based on your rules | 16:53 |
SynQ2 | since my goal is as much submissions as possible | 16:54 |
@bopbop | we used to do per entry, but then we ended up w/ some not-so-good entries by people just because they wanted to rack up the karma points | 16:54 |
SynQ2 | so if someone would submit 20 styles they would be karma-king :) | 16:54 |
SynQ2 | that is a matter of defining clearly what is 'good' | 16:54 |
@bopbop | let me finish writing up the rules, and I'll share them with you | 16:54 |
@bopbop | good is subjective, so yeah | 16:54 |
SynQ2 | in my view it has to 1. look differently and 2. be compiant and 3. work technically | 16:55 |
@bopbop | I think we agree on that | 16:55 |
SynQ2 | and yes you do need a jury | 16:55 |
SynQ2 | and it would be really great if that jury was made up out of the community | 16:55 |
SynQ2 | something else you could do | 16:55 |
SynQ2 | is deduct the amount of karma in this contest from the top 100 of karma users | 16:56 |
SynQ2 | in a percentage | 16:56 |
@bopbop | I'm not worried about the karma | 16:56 |
SynQ2 | so emil would 'give' 10% of it't karma | 16:56 |
SynQ2 | I am | 16:56 |
SynQ2 | it's all about the karma | 16:56 |
@bopbop | rephrase: I'm not worried that we won't have enough to go around | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | if you don't use it for things like this, karma is a worthless status symbol | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | oh ok | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | you are worried about quality | 16:57 |
@bopbop | I don't want to detract karma from other users for this purpose, I just want to award karma | 16:57 |
@bopbop | yes quality | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | whereas I am mostly worried about quantity | 16:57 |
@bopbop | :) | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | I would like to see at least 100 theme's to choose from | 16:57 |
SynQ2 | of which 20 are really good and 80 can be crap | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | but still you have 100 to choose from | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | actually | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | I would say this would have to be a continous contest | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | wich awards a winner each month | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | and the stakes (in karma) should be high | 16:58 |
@bopbop | do you think we have enough commitment from the community to achieve that? | 16:59 |
@bopbop | besides yourself | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | that depends | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | on who you call 'the community' | 16:59 |
@bopbop | who do you call the community? | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | the top 100 karma users are in my opinion not the community | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | like biskitmiller has never submitted anything to the community | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | yet is is 2nd in the top 100 list | 17:00 |
@bopbop | right, some have karma through other means- not necessarily through active participation | 17:00 |
SynQ2 | however, the site sais: Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. | 17:00 |
SynQ2 | so that is not true | 17:00 |
SynQ2 | the top karma users should go | 17:00 |
SynQ2 | and instead the top karma givers should be listed | 17:01 |
@bopbop | interesting | 17:01 |
SynQ2 | you should be encouraged to lose your karma as soon as possible | 17:01 |
Mech422 | forgive my ignorance - but what is karma used for other then indicating 'how much' you want/like a given feature proposal ? | 17:01 |
SynQ2 | Mech422: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma | 17:01 |
SynQ2 | Once earned, karma can be used like currency | 17:02 |
@bopbop | you can use karma to buy things from PB | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | only swag | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | and wuc tickets | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | no books | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | no hosting | 17:02 |
@bopbop | well, yeah | 17:02 |
@bopbop | there are limits | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | no services | 17:02 |
Mech422 | so basically - just for bumping RFE's and getting 'status' toys and such ? | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | in my view people use karma for different purposes | 17:03 |
Mech422 | oh wait - wuc tickets - thats the user conference, right ? | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | most programmers never hand out karma and keep it as a status symbol | 17:03 |
@bopbop | yup | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | like martin and knowmad | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | bopbop: who is biskitmiller anyway? | 17:04 |
@bopbop | I have no idea | 17:04 |
@bopbop | to be honest | 17:04 |
SynQ2 | then why does he have 48000 karma? | 17:04 |
Mech422 | test user ? | 17:04 |
@bopbop | sec | 17:04 |
SynQ2 | I bet he/she doesn't even know he/she has that karma | 17:04 |
SynQ2 | And who is Emil ? | 17:05 |
Mech422 | wow - perlDreamer is a busy lil beaver... | 17:05 |
SynQ2 | And who is VickyHS? | 17:06 |
@bopbop | I seem to remember a conversation where JT mentioned some ways in which users get karma that aren't related to site involvement | 17:06 |
@bopbop | you'd have to ask JT | 17:06 |
SynQ2 | well | 17:06 |
@bopbop | could be something w/ hosting | 17:06 |
SynQ2 | probably 'rockstar support' users | 17:06 |
@bopbop | no... | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | but as far as I (as a community member) are conserned they are not part of the community | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | at all | 17:07 |
@bopbop | true | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | so they should not be in the karma list as 'Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. ' | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | is being a client of PB a good deed in the community? | 17:07 |
@bopbop | so you would like to see a list of the top 100 karma "users" to better reflect community involvement, instead of a reflection of 'money it the bank' as it is now? | 17:08 |
@bopbop | ok, we seem to agree | 17:08 |
Mech422 | Heh - I would say so - if PB doesn't eat, then a lot less wG work gets done... | 17:08 |
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@bopbop | alright, I gotta leave for an appt | 17:09 |
@bopbop | SynQ2: I will send the rules to you later today | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | great | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | thanks | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | :) | 17:09 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - did you get to run a build yet with the 'new' version of ImageMagic ? | 17:09 |
@bopbop | and we can see what changes might need to be made after that | 17:09 |
@bopbop | SynQ2: thank you | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | Mech422: nope, I have had no time since friday | 17:09 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: Hmm - I got the AMD64 build to where it just had the same issues as the 32bit build | 17:10 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: I'm wondering if I'm gonna have to eat crow though - PerlDreamer thinks the image/graph problems are due to changes in IM, and I think its a change on the wre/wg side | 17:11 |
Mech422 | so I'm running a build on a fresh checkout now to see if the newer IM changes anything | 17:11 |
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Mech422 | Mornin Haarg :-) | 17:13 |
@Haarg | morning | 17:13 |
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Magnetic | So... I already am assuming the answer is no here, however I will ask anyways. When using the Demo Feature on webgui.org. Is there a way to get access to the HTML of the site? I can't seem to find an access point. | 17:28 |
Mech422 | 'the HTML of the site' ?? | 17:29 |
Mech422 | you mean the templates ? | 17:29 |
Magnetic | aye, heh. I think I figured it out. Thank you much good Sir Mech422 | 17:34 |
Mech422 | Cool - I love being helpful - especially when I don't have to do anything :-D | 17:36 |
Magnetic | hah | 17:38 |
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@fibioni | Is this a proper venue to ask simple help-desk related questions? I have a client that wants to know if there is a paypal plugin. Is there a product roadmap anywhere? | 18:05 |
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dionak | there's a plugin in the bazaar | 18:06 |
@fibioni | k | 18:06 |
@fibioni | thx | 18:06 |
dionak | and JT usually posts on the Black blog about what is coming up. Not sure about an official roadmap. There may be one but I haven't seen it. | 18:07 |
dionak | the paypal feature is to be included in 7.7, I believe | 18:07 |
@fibioni | thanks much | 18:13 |
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dionak | yw | 18:14 |
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Mech422 | perlDreamer: morning :-) | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, Mech422 | 18:31 |
+perlDreamer | how goes the WRE hackery? | 18:31 |
Mech422 | Looking to see if I'm having crow for breakfast :-) | 18:31 |
Mech422 | I'm building the checking from yesterday with the 'new' IM | 18:32 |
Mech422 | so we'll see if that changes anything with the image/graph problem | 18:32 |
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SynQ2 | Mech422: the wre-source I get from plainblack fails to build on lenny with this error: | 18:50 |
SynQ2 | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl | 18:50 |
Mech422 | yeah - you need LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE/ | 18:51 |
SynQ2 | that is ImageMagick failing | 18:51 |
Mech422 | in the image magic configure line | 18:51 |
SynQ2 | but | 18:51 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - do you know what the LD=ld thing is for ? | 18:51 |
SynQ2 | at that time perl has not yet been built? | 18:51 |
SynQ2 | I have no idea | 18:52 |
Mech422 | perl gets built before IM | 18:52 |
Mech422 | at least, I thought it did... | 18:52 |
* Mech422 goes to double check | 18:52 |
SynQ2 | oh yes | 18:52 |
SynQ2 | it has been | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | is there any way to install IE6 on Vista, in parallel with IE7? | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | for testing and stuff? | 18:52 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: yeah - just double checked... | 18:53 |
@Haarg | there's http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE | 18:54 |
@Haarg | but it isn't perfect | 18:54 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: btw - I changed LD=ld to --with-gnu-ld over here, and it hasn't broke it | 18:54 |
Mech422 | perldreamer: VirtualBox ftw!! | 18:54 |
@Haarg | i gave up on eventually and i'm just using virtual machines | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | if I could avoid having to buy _another_ MS license, it would be great | 18:54 |
Mech422 | Haarg: I knew I liked you :-D | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | but perhaps it's time to break down and just do it | 18:55 |
Mech422 | MS lets you use like 5 copies in VM's I thought | 18:55 |
Mech422 | they did some big licensing change like last year when they made virtual pc free | 18:55 |
SynQ2 | Mech422: that LD=ld stuff is for OS/x | 18:55 |
Mech422 | oh yeah - you can also use virtual pc | 18:55 |
+perlDreamer | I have a Vista license, to install XP (IE6) I'd need an XP license, wouldn't I? | 18:56 |
SynQ2 | perlDreamer: it's time to not support it | 18:56 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: but osx is gnu too right ? so --with-gnu-ld would still work ? | 18:56 |
SynQ2 | I don't know | 18:56 |
Mech422 | Hmm ... | 18:56 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ2: I agree, but with bugs reported in WebGUI against it I need one to test with | 18:56 |
SynQ2 | if I can avoid having to buy _a_ MAC license _and_ the hardware that comes with it, it would be great | 18:56 |
Mech422 | I was just telling PD - I don't know the 32bit finds libperl.a without the extra LD flag.. | 18:57 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: virtualBox ftw!! :-D | 18:57 |
SynQ2 | ftw? | 18:57 |
Mech422 | for the win :-D | 18:57 |
SynQ2 | virtual box is handy indeed | 18:57 |
Mech422 | virtual box is the cats pajama's :-) | 18:57 |
Mech422 | the bees knees | 18:57 |
Mech422 | and other odd americanisms :-P | 18:58 |
SynQ2 | if it works and I don't have to buy a license for it, that is fine | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | it's not like that naff VMWare | 18:58 |
SynQ2 | I have to go home | 18:58 |
Mech422 | pd: oooh - slamed VMWare AND did it in aussie ! bonus points!! | 18:58 |
SynQ2 | WRE 0.9.3 is broken | 18:58 |
Mech422 | I'm building here | 18:58 |
Mech422 | I'll let ya know how teh test suite goes | 18:59 |
SynQ2 | at least the wre-source-0.9.3 is | 18:59 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: though if you happen to have a 32 bit build log showing how IM is finding libperl.a without that flag - I'd appreciate seeing it :-) | 18:59 |
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SynQ2 | Mech422: understood | 19:10 |
Mech422 | SynQ2: thanks :-) | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | new PBWG today | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | Kudos to Arjan | 19:15 |
topsub | new PBWG? | 19:16 |
topsub | whats that mean? | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | People Behind WebGUI | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | I'll have to note that in the next WNN | 19:19 |
SynQ2 | Mech422: I have added LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux/CORE to build.sh | 19:20 |
SynQ2 | that works | 19:20 |
SynQ2 | at least, it compiles then | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | should the processor type be hardcoded like that? | 19:20 |
SynQ2 | probably not | 19:20 |
SynQ2 | the arch that is | 19:20 |
SynQ2 | since it's not the processor but the $ARCH | 19:21 |
Mech422 | LOL - no - but we're winging it to get test results | 19:21 |
Mech422 | I'd like to know how it compiles on 32bit without that... | 19:21 |
Mech422 | I've added it to build.sh twice now, and it never gets merged | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | merged into SVN? | 19:22 |
Mech422 | merged into the 9.3 build.sh | 19:22 |
Mech422 | yeah - SVN I guess | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | post a bug with a patch onto the bug board | 19:23 |
SynQ2 | git | 19:23 |
Mech422 | did that twice | 19:23 |
Mech422 | posted full script and diffs | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | on the bug board? | 19:23 |
Mech422 | on the developer board | 19:23 |
Mech422 | SynQ was the only one that seemed to notice | 19:24 |
Mech422 | anyway - point being - I thought it wasn't merged because it built on 32 bit without it | 19:25 |
Mech422 | but now I'm starting to wonder - synq can't build 32 bit without it either | 19:25 |
SynQ2 | I didn't say that | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | Mech422, I see a post about 0.9.1 | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | but nothing about 0.9.3 | 19:26 |
Mech422 | well, 9.3 doesn't build yet | 19:26 |
Mech422 | and the 9.1 stuff wasn't merged | 19:26 |
SynQ2 | I'm off | 19:26 |
SynQ2 | later | 19:26 |
SynQ2 | ~ | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | and if the patch contains multiple things, and all it says is 64-bit build script | 19:26 |
Mech422 | bye! | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | then it will get passed over | 19:27 |
Mech422 | ok - whatever... | 19:27 |
Mech422 | don't care at this point | 19:27 |
Mech422 | it didn't get merged, no point crying about it | 19:27 |
Mech422 | but I'm not posting more till the dam thing is done | 19:27 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11095 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem. | 19:38 |
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Mech422 | perlDreamer: heh - sorry - slashdot says IE6 wont die - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Will-Not-Die | 19:47 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11096 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Forward port POD whitespace fix. | 19:55 |
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@rizen | so i switched back to the old beta version of image magick that shipped with WRE 0.9.2 and now WRE 0.9.3 can generate graphs once again | 21:15 |
@rizen | now to write a program that replicates the problem to send it in to the image magick guys | 21:16 |
@rizen | figured out the problem with image magick | 21:46 |
@rizen | martin's graphing code sets the background color of the image like this: | 21:46 |
@rizen | $image->Read(filename => 'xc:white'); | 21:46 |
@rizen | the other image processing functions in webgui that i wrote set the background color like this: | 21:46 |
@rizen | $image->ReadImage('xc:white'); | 21:46 |
@rizen | they both used to do the same way | 21:46 |
@rizen | same thing | 21:47 |
@rizen | but now, only the way I used works for some reason | 21:47 |
@rizen | so fixing this in webgui core | 21:47 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11097 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick. | 21:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11098 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick. | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | nice catch, rizen | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | is 0.9.3 a go then? | 22:00 |
@rizen | yup | 22:01 |
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@rizen | i'm copying it up to sf right now | 22:02 |
@rizen | so we can make the release public | 22:02 |
@rizen | and since i don't have to recompile, Test::Harness will go into 0.9.4 or 1.0.0 | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | sounds good | 22:03 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11099 /WebGUI/ (36 files in 4 dirs): | 22:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Throw an exception in all wobjects if the main template (used by view) | 22:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: has been deleted. | 22:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11100 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Backport exception based missing template handling. | 22:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11101 /branch/colin-experimental: removing unneeded colin-experimental branch | 23:14 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11102 /branch/dj_wgfs: removing unused wgfs branch | 23:14 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11103 /branch/doug-experimental: removing unneeded doug-experimental branch | 23:14 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11104 /branch/ (wrebuild_0.7 wrebuild_0.8): removing old wrebuild branches | 23:44 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11105 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 23:44 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add noFormPost to packed content in the asset tables to prevent them | 23:44 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: from overwriting the data that has been packed from the filter function. | 23:44 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Rerun the upgrade script to repack all areas that use packing. | 23:44 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11106 /WebGUI/docs/credits.txt: adding some new names that deserve to be on the list | 00:51 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: Restored i18n's LDAPLink_104 message in AuthLDAP.pm that was | 00:51 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11108 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.8-7.7.9.pl: Fix a typo in the upgrade script. | 00:51 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: arjan * r11109 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: | 00:51 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Restored i18n's LDAPLink_104 message in AuthLDAP.pm | 00:51 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: that was deleted undeserved in revision 11077. | 00:51 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debuggin output. | 00:51 |
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@preaction | anyone have a problem with me not posting smoke test to the smoke test board, and instead using RSS from smoke.plainblack.com? | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | no, that's fine | 01:33 |
+perlDreamer | but then what do we do with the smoke test board? | 01:33 |
@preaction | delete it, or replace it with a syndicated content asset to read the RSS feed | 01:34 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11113 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for problem with image magick | 02:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11114 /WebGUI/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for image magick bug | 02:09 |
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elnino | hi! | 02:15 |
@preaction | hi! | 02:16 |
elnino | quiet? | 02:16 |
@preaction | kinda, i suspect colin's busy with the release right now | 02:17 |
elnino | busy is good. | 02:18 |
elnino | do you happen to know if there is a "featured product" macro or something in the shop? havne't read anythign about one yet. | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | are you saying that I'm loud? | 02:19 |
elnino | or maybe if I can create an rss feed of the products I can do it that way> | 02:19 |
elnino | no I meant quiet on the chat. | 02:19 |
elnino | sorry. get back to work perlDreamer. =) lol | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | yes, ma'am! | 02:20 |
elnino | =) | 02:20 |
elnino | if only I was that influential. | 02:20 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: ok - gimme some salt and I'll eat my crow.... | 02:23 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: looks like it was a IM change after all | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | it's an IM bug | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | no crow to eat | 02:24 |
Mech422 | well - since the IM tests passed and nothing showed in the change log, I was betting on wre/wg change | 02:24 |
Mech422 | you were right though | 02:25 |
@rizen | i need some help from anybody that knows something about Facebook | 02:25 |
@rizen | http://search.cpan.org/~clscott/WWW-Facebook-API-0.4.14/ | 02:25 |
@rizen | Mech422: don't worry about it...we all have those days | 02:25 |
@rizen | nobody is right all the time | 02:25 |
@rizen | ok so given that API | 02:25 |
@rizen | if i wanted to tie into it | 02:25 |
@rizen | to create an aspect that you could add to any asset | 02:25 |
@rizen | that would publish an "announcement" | 02:26 |
@rizen | what would i use | 02:26 |
@rizen | for example | 02:26 |
@rizen | Story Manager | 02:26 |
@rizen | someone publishes a new article | 02:26 |
@rizen | and i want to announce that story on facebook | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | hang on a sec, I'll get Mrs perlDreamer | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | she's a new facebook user | 02:26 |
Mech422 | rizen: btw - 9.3 isn't building here and last I heard it wasn't building for Synq | 02:27 |
Mech422 | I got it to build as far as Time-HiRes | 02:27 |
@rizen | it dies on Time::HiRes? | 02:27 |
Mech422 | yes | 02:27 |
Mech422 | it actually dies on IM | 02:27 |
@rizen | that's a wierd place to die | 02:27 |
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Mech422 | because the LD flag isn't updated | 02:28 |
Mech422 | but I gave the fix to SynQ and its works for both of us | 02:28 |
@rizen | are you talking about the --with-gnu-ld? | 02:28 |
Mech422 | no - I'm talking about LDFlag=/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/5.8.10/$ARCH/core thingy | 02:29 |
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dreamersgirl | Hi rizen! | 02:29 |
Mech422 | it fails on both 32 bit and 64 bit last I heard | 02:29 |
@rizen | hi dreamersgirl | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | dreamersgirl is a facebook user. You know how those young kids are. | 02:31 |
@rizen | Mech422: i compiled it on 7 different operating systems | 02:31 |
@rizen | and uploaded it to sf | 02:31 |
@rizen | so if it's failing | 02:31 |
@rizen | it's something local to you | 02:31 |
@rizen | and maybe sync as well | 02:31 |
Mech422 | ok - go tell that to Synq | 02:31 |
@rizen | i would but he's sleeping | 02:32 |
Mech422 | oh and there's still syntax errors in the build script | 02:32 |
Mech422 | you need spacess around '[' and ']' in bash | 02:32 |
@rizen | are you a chronic complainer or something? | 02:32 |
@rizen | didn't i give you git access? | 02:32 |
@rizen | i thought i did | 02:32 |
Mech422 | rizen: no - just got treated like an idiot so feel no reason to sugar coat things | 02:33 |
Mech422 | no as far as I know I have no git commit access | 02:33 |
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Mech422 | and I got it to work here _and_ posted patches twice now - so I don't think thats chronic complaining ? | 02:33 |
@rizen | ok then i'm going to complain quick | 02:34 |
@rizen | you posted your patches to irc | 02:34 |
@rizen | that's no place to post anything that you want to have any impact on anything | 02:34 |
@rizen | to quote a great movie, stuff posted here will "up and vanish like a fart in the wind" | 02:35 |
Mech422 | actually - I posted to the 'dev forum' where someone (you) told me to? synq was the only one that noticed... | 02:35 |
@preaction | i told you to, i think | 02:35 |
Mech422 | ahh - sorry - my bad | 02:35 |
Mech422 | and to paraphrase rizen from yesterday 'mech422 don't know and I don't listen to people that don't know' | 02:36 |
@rizen | Mech422: i noticed that one | 02:37 |
@rizen | and just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it | 02:37 |
@rizen | the same as i told you yesterday | 02:37 |
@rizen | 64 bit was not my priority yet | 02:37 |
Mech422 | anyway, point being - according to the big message libtools posts in the build logs... | 02:37 |
Mech422 | your installing libperl in a non-standard location - which should require you to use a full path in a -L option during link | 02:38 |
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Mech422 | it appears your managing a build without this - which neither I nor SynQ can do | 02:38 |
Mech422 | so either your linking against a different libperl.a or we (synq and I ) have larger issues | 02:39 |
Mech422 | it would be good to see a build log and determine which is which | 02:39 |
Mech422 | err...it would be good to see a _working_ build log and determine which is which | 02:40 |
@rizen | i'm apparently missing a good bit of conversation between you and SynQ2 | 02:40 |
@rizen | because i know he's compiled the WRE (including 0.9.3) successfully several times on his boxes | 02:40 |
@rizen | they are one run his demo.webgui.nl site | 02:40 |
dreamersgirl | rizen--perlDreamer mentioned you were asking about Facebook. | 02:40 |
dreamersgirl | I use it, but am no means an expert. | 02:41 |
dreamersgirl | Can I give you a hand anyway? | 02:41 |
@rizen | dreamersgirl: i think preaction figured out what i want to know | 02:41 |
@rizen | i don't know anything about it | 02:41 |
@preaction | facebook terminology might be a good thing though, i know little about that | 02:41 |
@rizen | but i want to create something in webgui that developers can use to have their applications automatically publish data to a facebook page | 02:41 |
Mech422 | rizen: about 10 minutes this morning - there are irc proxy's that will maintain scrollback for you ... | 02:41 |
@preaction | i use twitter to update my facebook and that's all the facebook that i care to learn about | 02:41 |
@rizen | Mech422: i know there are proxies, but i don't care enough to scroll back through 20 hours of conversations to find what you're talking about | 02:42 |
@rizen | so i'll wait until i can talk to SynQ2 myself | 02:42 |
dreamersgirl | rizen: I'm glad you have what you need | 02:43 |
@rizen | dreamersgirl: sorry to have bothered you | 02:43 |
dreamersgirl | no bother! It always fun to see what's going on in channel. | 02:43 |
Mech422 | rizen: heres the paste from this mornin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34e1090e | 02:44 |
@rizen | dreamersgirl: hopefully my facebook integration works, and then webgui can interact with twitter | 02:44 |
@rizen | and facebook | 02:44 |
dreamersgirl | that'd be cool! | 02:44 |
dreamersgirl | guess I'll have to become a webGUI fan sometime. :) | 02:44 |
@preaction | dreamersgirl: you should be able to already, tavisto put webgui in facebook | 02:45 |
dreamersgirl | I'll look for it next time I'm surfing around! | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | surf surf surf | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | What about dinner for hungry perlDreamers? | 02:45 |
dreamersgirl | For now, it's back to being evil nazi mom | 02:45 |
dreamersgirl | ;) | 02:45 |
@preaction | hang 102! | 02:45 |
dreamersgirl | Bye everyone! | 02:46 |
@preaction | unless you have two windows keys, than it's hang 103! | 02:46 |
Mech422 | rizen: he was using wre-9.3 source (tarball?) and I was using git clone from about 3am PST | 02:46 |
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@rizen | don't know what to tell you | 02:48 |
@rizen | i don't have the build logs from any of the boxes i built on | 02:48 |
Mech422 | rizen: usually this is the part where you call me stupid | 02:48 |
Mech422 | but hey! I'm getting used to it | 02:48 |
@rizen | no i'ts not | 02:48 |
@rizen | i resent that you would even say that | 02:49 |
@rizen | yesterday you were talking about rewriting the whole WRE build process and you didn't even know how the current one worked | 02:49 |
Mech422 | what should I interpret "no, you dont' know and I don't fill my head with info from people that don't know" to mean ? | 02:49 |
Mech422 | as far as I can see - the current one _doesn't_ work | 02:49 |
Mech422 | your the only one it works for | 02:49 |
@rizen | i don't think i typed that | 02:50 |
Mech422 | I"m paraphrasing | 02:50 |
elnino | I didn't know webgui was on facebook. I just joined!! yea! | 02:50 |
Mech422 | however, more to the point - I suspect your build is linking against a system installed libperl ... | 02:50 |
Mech422 | do your build boxes have perl installed _before_ wre is built ? | 02:51 |
@rizen | yes, and they must | 02:51 |
@rizen | because we use perl as part of the build script before we build perl | 02:51 |
@rizen | and it may link against the system perl | 02:51 |
Mech422 | yeah - I saw that ... | 02:51 |
@rizen | i'm not saying that it doesn't | 02:51 |
Mech422 | we don't really _have_ to use it in getsources - we could use sed for doing the cgi path munging | 02:52 |
@rizen | i'm saying the same thing i told you 10 times yesterday. it works, and that's what i care about | 02:52 |
Mech422 | oh ouch | 02:52 |
@rizen | now, if it can be better | 02:52 |
Mech422 | what happens when you install perl 5.0.10 and system perl is 5.0.8 ? | 02:52 |
@rizen | let's make it better | 02:52 |
@rizen | IT WORKS | 02:52 |
Mech422 | doesn't shit go blooey ? | 02:52 |
@rizen | you know how i know | 02:52 |
Mech422 | ok | 02:53 |
@rizen | because all these boxes have perl 5.8 on them | 02:53 |
@rizen | and wre has perl 5.10 | 02:53 |
@preaction | it works for now, if it should break in the future, it will get fixed. if we fix it before it breaks, it will be better | 02:53 |
@rizen | right | 02:53 |
@rizen | i'm not saying we can't change things | 02:53 |
Mech422 | then I'm at a loss for the moment - with no logs to check, I can't really say how it works for you and not synq or me | 02:53 |
@rizen | i'm not saying we can't impove things | 02:53 |
@rizen | i'm just saying that it works | 02:53 |
@rizen | if you have suggestions, let's get those implemented | 02:54 |
@rizen | but let's not rewrite 5 years worth of knowledge | 02:54 |
@rizen | let's add to it | 02:54 |
@rizen | let's improve it | 02:54 |
@rizen | not start from scratch | 02:54 |
Mech422 | the build script is new in 9.3 isn't it ?? 9.1 didn't have getsources and getperlmodules ? | 02:54 |
Mech422 | anyway - I have 64bit build logs available | 02:55 |
@preaction | nah, those are old | 02:55 |
@rizen | getsources.sh and getperlmodules.sh are new | 02:55 |
@rizen | build.sh is not new | 02:55 |
Mech422 | hopefully synq will have 32 bit logs this evening | 02:55 |
@rizen | it's been around since before i realeased WRE to the public | 02:55 |
@rizen | build.sh represents 5 years of tinkering to get shit to compile. that's why i call it knowledge | 02:56 |
@rizen | it's like 1000 man hours in that one file | 02:56 |
@rizen | it certainly has bugs | 02:56 |
@rizen | and it's certainly not perfect | 02:56 |
@rizen | but it is a good starting point from which to make each subsequent release better | 02:56 |
Mech422 | I've got a client call... | 02:57 |
Mech422 | perhaps you can start a reebuild and save the build logs | 02:57 |
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Mech422 | with that and 1 from synq and 1 from me, we might have a good basis for figuring out whats going on | 02:58 |
@rizen | i'll start it compiling on my mac now (from git head) | 02:58 |
Mech422 | thanks | 02:59 |
@rizen | fyi this is going to take a couple hours | 03:13 |
Mech422 | its ok - I'll be up at leat another 8 hours | 03:13 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11116 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 03:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed #9927 Survey - verbatim | 03:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed inconsistencies between answer 'comment' and 'verbatim'. | 03:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Updated tests. | 03:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Made minor changes to reporting methods but they still need some love. | 03:56 |
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_elnino_ | anyone here have macromedia flash? | 04:11 |
_elnino_ | can someone kick elnino_ off, thanks. I don't know what happened. | 04:14 |
+perlDreamer | release ahoy! | 04:16 |
_elnino_ | congrats! | 04:16 |
+perlDreamer | thank you :) | 04:17 |
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@preaction | _elnino_: you can using /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password> | 04:19 |
_elnino_ | that will change me back? so I can log out? | 04:20 |
_elnino_ | then how do I get back to the other me? | 04:20 |
@preaction | no, that'll force the nickname off the server | 04:20 |
@preaction | then you just have to /nick <nickname> | 04:20 |
_elnino_ | oh. I thought only admins could do that. | 04:20 |
_elnino_ | I dont' have any passowrds. | 04:21 |
@preaction | nope, only IRCops, and we're not those | 04:21 |
@preaction | oh, well, that's a benefit to registering ;) | 04:21 |
@preaction | /msg nickserv help register | 04:21 |
+perlDreamer | you can't tell one elnino from another without a password | 04:21 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11117 /releases/WebGUI_WebGUI-7.6.25: Release WebGUI-7.6.25 | 04:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11118 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25: Release 7.6.25 | 04:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11119 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25-stable: Release 7.6.25-stable | 04:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11120 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Ready for 7.6.26 development. | 04:22 |
_elnino_ | all these elnino are done by xchat (what I use). If elnino doesn't work, it automatically trys something else. I never set a password... hmm. | 04:22 |
@preaction | also, smoke.plainblack.com is running. i hope to have TAP::Formatter::HTML working soon, and a nice fancyindex CSS file | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | nice work, preaction! | 04:23 |
_elnino_ | preaction - what do you register to? | 04:23 |
@preaction | _elnino_: what do you mean? type "/msg nickserv help register". nickserv will help you (that's who you register to as well) | 04:24 |
@preaction | see this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration | 04:24 |
_elnino_ | oh...ok... | 04:24 |
* _elnino_ is all confused | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | the TAP output looks... truncated | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | is that a partial run, preaction? | 04:25 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: it's a current run. it's running, right now | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | ah, cool | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | I actually need that | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | User.t is acting very strangely right now | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | (on my laptop) | 04:25 |
@preaction | i'm going to hopefully have it switching between branches again soon as well | 04:26 |
@preaction | remember that one month i had this all working, and it was nice? i want that month back! | 04:26 |
* _elnino_ goes to watch "this old house" | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | say hi to norm for us | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, is it running as root? | 04:29 |
@preaction | yes, for now | 04:29 |
@preaction | i suppose i could su to webgui, that should still allow me to open the log files | 04:30 |
Mech422 | preaction: I take it TAP is perl's 'buildbot' ? for continous build and testing ? | 04:32 |
@preaction | TAP is the Test Anything Protocol, it's just the way Perl gives test output | 04:32 |
Mech422 | ahh... | 04:33 |
@preaction | i should say it's being used by more than Perl now | 04:33 |
@preaction | it's goal is both machine and human readability (which is fills wonderfully) | 04:33 |
+perlDreamer | even better than XML! | 04:33 |
Mech422 | Hmm - it looks like the standard per 'make test' output? so thats formalized/standardized now ? | 04:34 |
Mech422 | s/per/perl/ | 04:34 |
@preaction | that's always been the standard, since Perl's earliest test suites | 04:35 |
@preaction | but yes, that's the same output | 04:35 |
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@preaction | make test is the same as "prove -r t/" (well, close enough to) | 04:35 |
Mech422 | Cool - so it should be easier to create 'buildbot' type tools that work cross-language/test harness ? | 04:36 |
@preaction | right, TAP has a website iirc | 04:37 |
Mech422 | yeah - googling now :-) | 04:37 |
@preaction | http://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page | 04:37 |
Mech422 | soo many neat toys to try and keep up with... | 04:38 |
@preaction | ina ddition to the implementations in those other languages, PostgreSQL has a TAP testing framework for SQL queries | 04:38 |
Mech422 | oh nifty :-) Testing raw SQL was something I never even considered | 04:39 |
Mech422 | I always see it in terms of some language or other | 04:39 |
+perlDreamer | got it! | 04:45 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: ?? | 04:46 |
Mech422 | Is it contagious ?? :-D | 04:46 |
+perlDreamer | no, parasitic | 04:46 |
Mech422 | I see... may I ask to what we're referring ? and is it painful ? :-P | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | it's a bug I found in 7.7.9 pre-release | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | I've been working on it for 4 hours | 04:47 |
+perlDreamer | and now I feel good that I found it | 04:48 |
Mech422 | ahh! congrats :-) | 04:48 |
+perlDreamer | but quite stupid | 04:48 |
* perlDreamer should know what WebGUI methods are subroutines, and which are methods | 04:48 |
Mech422 | oh - to $self or not to $self - is that the question ? | 04:50 |
Mech422 | whether it be nobler to... ahh...I ran it into the ground already, so I'll shutup now :-P | 04:50 |
+perlDreamer | too much eq, dudely | 04:52 |
Mech422 | yeah - I'm jonesing... | 04:52 |
Mech422 | just waiting for this build - then I'm off to slay... schtuff :-P | 04:52 |
Mech422 | what kind of stuff ? undead stuff ? giant spidery stuff ? decisions decisions... | 04:54 |
_elnino_ | boy, I learn all sorts of new words from Mech422. =) | 04:54 |
Mech422 | I think they should add demanding clients, and maybe zombie processes ... | 04:54 |
daviddelikat | so... when I make a bugfix that is a template edit... | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, are you using wgd? | 04:55 |
Mech422 | _elnino_: you mean, I'm not just charming and good looking - I'm educational too ?? :-D | 04:55 |
daviddelikat | all I have to do is put the template package in the upgrades/packages... directory right | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | right, with wgd you'd do | 04:55 |
daviddelikat | i do use wgd yes | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | wgd package --upgrade (assetId|url) | 04:55 |
+perlDreamer | and it will do it all for you | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | even putting it in the right place | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | all you have to do is svn add it, and commit it | 04:56 |
_elnino_ | whats wgd? is that something new in 7.6? | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's Haarg's awesome WebGUI Development tool | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | let's say you want to edit a template on a remote server | 04:56 |
+perlDreamer | so you ssh into it | 04:57 |
daviddelikat | or the webgui god tool | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | then type wgd edit templateAssetId | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | that throws you into your favorite text editor for template hacking | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | and then you decide that you want a package of that to put on different servers | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | wgd package templateAssetId | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | whammo! | 04:57 |
+perlDreamer | makes you a package | 04:57 |
daviddelikat | did not know that | 04:57 |
_elnino_ | slick. It seems I read about something like that in the devloper book. | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | and that's just the tip of what it can do | 04:58 |
daviddelikat | do you know what version this si all in? | 04:58 |
* perlDreamer runs off of git, so whatever the latest is | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg will do a wgd presentation at the WUC | 04:58 |
daviddelikat | is there a git package for centos? | 04:58 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 04:59 |
daviddelikat | I dont have it installed on my vm yet because there was none that would go automagically | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | where did I find that | 04:59 |
+perlDreamer | it was off a foreign repository, daviddelikat | 04:59 |
@preaction | i got mine from kernel.org, let me get the info | 04:59 |
@rizen | Mech422: i got an error compiling TIme::HiRes when i compile out of head just now. I did not get that error when i built using wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz, so something must have changed | 05:00 |
Mech422 | I get the same error.. | 05:01 |
Mech422 | just 'false' in the log - then it aborts | 05:01 |
Mech422 | funny thing is - if you cd to the dir, and type 'make' - it builds | 05:01 |
@rizen | here's the build log | 05:01 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: i can send you the script via pm, but pastebin says i'm a spammer | 05:01 |
@rizen | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log | 05:01 |
Mech422 | thanks | 05:01 |
@rizen | gotta go. hope it helps you. i'll be on tomorrow to try to figure out why this happened | 05:02 |
Mech422 | ok - thanks | 05:02 |
daviddelikat | preaction: I can always git the latest from the hub... | 05:02 |
daviddelikat | it would be nice to have git installed though... | 05:03 |
@preaction | daviddelikat: i mean the script to install git | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | not that I need another tool to maintain... | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | oh | 05:03 |
@preaction | it's 4 commands, 3 wget and an rpm | 05:03 |
daviddelikat | how big is it? | 05:03 |
@preaction | 4 lines | 05:03 |
@preaction | i can't pastebin it, because pastebin says i'm a spammer because it has 3 URLs in it | 05:03 |
+perlDreamer | how about posting it, one line at a time in channel? >:) | 05:04 |
daviddelikat | one sec... | 05:04 |
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daviddelikat | sorry I thought I had a place you could post it... | 05:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11121 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: Pluggable::load is not a class method. | 05:06 |
daviddelikat | try david-delikat at usa.net | 05:06 |
+perlDreamer | if it's really useful, it could be uploaded to the bazaar | 05:07 |
@preaction | sent | 05:09 |
daviddelikat | tanks | 05:09 |
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CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r2f783e7 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Cherry-picked survey updates from master - http://bit.ly/4OuHH | 05:13 |
daviddelikat | anybody know why wgd doesn't have a page in the wiki? | 05:22 |
@preaction | as wgdev maybe | 05:24 |
@preaction | ? | 05:24 |
daviddelikat | ill try it | 05:24 |
daviddelikat | nope | 05:24 |
daviddelikat | i know its in there i just can never remember how to find it... | 05:25 |
daviddelikat | all i want is the url for the git repo | 05:25 |
@preaction | search github for wgdev | 05:25 |
daviddelikat | that did it --- thanks | 05:26 |
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bryanlewis | any cms' chat rooms on irc? | 05:30 |
@preaction | besides WebGUI? probably | 05:31 |
bryanlewis | is WebGUI a actual CMS? | 05:31 |
bryanlewis | opensource? | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | and free software | 05:31 |
@preaction | and yes | 05:31 |
bryanlewis | demo? | 05:31 |
@preaction | demo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org | 05:32 |
bryanlewis | is it from a framework? | 05:32 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:32 |
bryanlewis | which one? | 05:33 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI is the name of the CMS, and the framework | 05:33 |
Mech422 | Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl | 05:33 |
Mech422 | wtf ? rizen's IM isn't even using libperl ? | 05:34 |
Mech422 | Hmm - do we just not need it ? we can skip the whole thing and make life easier ? | 05:34 |
@preaction | maybe, dunno | 05:35 |
Mech422 | that would be nice | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | bryanlewis, it's perl based | 05:37 |
bryanlewis | oh i see | 05:37 |
bryanlewis | smarties... | 05:37 |
bryanlewis | i'm learning php so it might not be the system for me | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know. | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | php is close to perl | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | and there's already a huge amount of code to leverage | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | and, far fewer native security issues with perl instead of PHP | 05:38 |
@preaction | eh, either way you go (php or perl or python but not ruby) there's different ways to do it. it all depends on what you want to do | 05:38 |
bryanlewis | yea | 05:38 |
+perlDreamer | although, to be fair, php has gotten quite a bit more secure in recent years | 05:38 |
bryanlewis | well i'm a noobie... 23 years old and dying to learn php better | 05:39 |
_elnino_ | what other cms's are you looking at bryanlewis? | 05:39 |
@preaction | eh, i learned Perl back when I was 16. age / experience doesn't matter with the 4g langs like perl/php/python | 05:40 |
bryanlewis | c5, wordpress, joomla, drupal... not for sure which to use/learn from | 05:40 |
bryanlewis | for some reason php is hard for me to get my head around | 05:40 |
@preaction | you might want to learn without one, and then get a book on one of them | 05:40 |
_elnino_ | are you looking to hack? or are you looking to use the cms for your site and other customer sites? | 05:40 |
bryanlewis | just learn php then without a cms? | 05:40 |
@preaction | i won't start a holy war here, but php is incredibly disorganized for a programming language | 05:41 |
bryanlewis | well... I already work for a company and we make sites with c5 right now and its been working well but everyday i feel like i don't know enough | 05:41 |
@preaction | right, first worry about learning the language. then learn how the language can make those things easier (like frameworks, template systems, database abstraction, etc...) | 05:41 |
bryanlewis | yea i want to learn a framework too sometime | 05:42 |
Mech422 | bryanlewis: when you get to that point - I'd suggest sticking with C5 - sounds like you would have some resources you could ask questions etc at work | 05:42 |
_elnino_ | http://www.cmsmatrix.org - if you are looking for features for customer sites, this si a good place to compare. I'll tell you from experience that joomla is a pain to upkeep for customer websites. and not very intuitive. | 05:43 |
_elnino_ | never heard of c5, is that like c1? | 05:43 |
_elnino_ | http://www.sylphen.com/c1 | 05:44 |
Mech422 | _elnino_: might be some in-house tool they use ? | 05:44 |
bryanlewis | no not like c1 really | 05:44 |
_elnino_ | c5=concrete5? | 05:45 |
bryanlewis | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=c5+cms&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10 | 05:46 |
bryanlewis | yea | 05:46 |
bryanlewis | yea joomla is hard to upkeep | 05:46 |
bryanlewis | i'm not a big fan | 05:46 |
bryanlewis | but i want to learn php more and i want to feel like i can make my own cms with a framework whenever needed | 05:47 |
_elnino_ | I was there once. | 05:47 |
bryanlewis | what did u do? | 05:48 |
_elnino_ | I got older. =) | 05:48 |
bryanlewis | did u ever have a tuff time learning a more advanced language? | 05:48 |
bryanlewis | i'm 23 | 05:48 |
_elnino_ | my training was system programing, so I came from C, C++ etc. | 05:48 |
_elnino_ | which I really didn't want to do, so I went into db and web developement | 05:49 |
bryanlewis | yea nice | 05:49 |
_elnino_ | and working with web, and finding out that marketing demands come faster than anyone could keep up with, I ditched my efforts in my own cms and went | 05:50 |
bryanlewis | someday i will have a grasp of php | 05:50 |
_elnino_ | a community based cms that already had more features than my marketing group could come up with themselves. | 05:50 |
_elnino_ | if you look at the list of cms on cmsmatrix, I think you'll find there are lot of people out there wanting to build there own, but to compete with other that are established already is a tough hill to climb. It's climbable, but tough to catch up. | 05:51 |
bryanlewis | yea thats pretty nice | 05:51 |
_elnino_ | just my experience. | 05:52 |
bryanlewis | yea i just think building a cms would help me learn and accomplish a personal goal | 05:52 |
_elnino_ | oh yea, it will definately be a learning experience. | 05:52 |
_elnino_ | I'm all for it. It's fun actually! | 05:52 |
bryanlewis | see thats where i want to be | 05:53 |
_elnino_ | I just couldnt' keep up with marketing group's demands - It was just me. | 05:53 |
_elnino_ | doing all the programming. | 05:53 |
bryanlewis | yea | 05:53 |
_elnino_ | IT group of 3. | 05:53 |
bryanlewis | thanks ruff but at least u know your job well! | 05:53 |
bryanlewis | i feel like i go to work and dont know my job well at all | 05:54 |
bryanlewis | i just live off of someone elses talent | 05:54 |
bryanlewis | haha | 05:54 |
_elnino_ | work for a small company. You'll learn TONS. | 05:54 |
_elnino_ | mine was 60 people. big enought to be steady, small enought to do everything. | 05:54 |
_elnino_ | (sorry for the extra t's) | 05:55 |
bryanlewis | i do | 05:55 |
bryanlewis | 9 | 05:55 |
bryanlewis | peeps | 05:55 |
_elnino_ | you're in a great place then. never stop learning. | 05:56 |
_elnino_ | but stay focused enough to accomplish something. | 05:56 |
_elnino_ | and never think you know everythign because there is someone else out there that knows more. | 05:57 |
_elnino_ | but you didn't ask for advice... =( | 05:57 |
_elnino_ | I'll be quiet now. | 05:57 |
bryanlewis | haha no i know | 05:58 |
bryanlewis | i'm trying | 05:58 |
bryanlewis | and will continue | 05:58 |
bryanlewis | I'm off to bed but will be back online tomorrow will u be on? | 05:58 |
_elnino_ | sounds like you're on the right track with the right attitude. I'ts refreshing. | 05:59 |
_elnino_ | not tomorrow, I'm going to the zoo. | 05:59 |
_elnino_ | but I'm ususally on. There is a bunch of regulars on this chat. | 05:59 |
bryanlewis | ok sweet! well i need sleep in order to learn well tomorrow ... one of my biggest problems is not staying focused on one thing long enough to accomplish/learn it | 06:01 |
bryanlewis | thought i'd throw that in there | 06:01 |
_elnino_ | yep, that is tough, and common. | 06:02 |
_elnino_ | that's what managers are for - to breathe down your neck. which isn't always a good thing. | 06:02 |
bryanlewis | yea i'm so eager to learn lots of things i can stick with one | 06:02 |
_elnino_ | yep. | 06:03 |
Mech422 | ok - I'm gonna call it a night...my head is _still_ killing me - almost 24 hours with a migraine or something... | 06:05 |
bryanlewis | me 2 | 06:06 |
bryanlewis | g'night and thanks for all the great help! | 06:06 |
bryanlewis | i hope to learn more wth time | 06:06 |
Mech422 | I'll look at the build logs more tommorrow - if we can just skip linking libperl that would make life easier as we don't need to pass the $ARCH as part of the LD flags | 06:06 |
_elnino_ | bye. | 06:06 |
Mech422 | my latest build just died with : ./build.sh: line 289: cd: HTML-Parser-3.60: No such file or directory | 06:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove bloat from Survey response record to reduce json serialisation time | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11123 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed Survey section-level branch precedence bug | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: For Sections with questions spread out over multiple pages, branch | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: expressions should only happen on the last page of the Section. | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added explicit test. | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11124 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: When a user is deleted, delete any address books as well. Uses the API to get the | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Addresses, too. With tests and upgrade script to take care of old address books. | 06:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11125 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting addressBook cleanup for deleted users. | 06:09 |
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+perlDreamer | good night everyone | 06:11 |
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CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r2dbd6de / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Survey test suite 'tagged' check to work with nested data - http://bit.ly/z9o1B | 06:58 |
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CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r660794f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm : Fixed Survey testsuite handling of Tagged question type - http://bit.ly/al85n | 09:47 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11126 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed Survey test suite 'tagged' check to work with nested data | 10:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11127 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/Test.pm: Fixed Survey testsuite handling of Tagged question type | 10:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11128 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 10:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed #10425: Edit Survey screen does not work in IE6 | 10:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Removed trailing comma | 10:37 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11129 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 16:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: changed HTML tag in lower bar to match upper bar | 16:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: see bug description for details | 16:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10261 | 16:09 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11130 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/MatrixListing.pm t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t): Adding Matrix tests | 16:38 |
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steve_ | mornin | 16:57 |
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mech422 | SynQ2: ping? | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | pong | 16:58 |
mech422 | perlDreamer: mornin | 16:58 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, mech422 | 16:58 |
+perlDreamer | you're lower case today | 16:58 |
mech422 | SynQ2: rizen sent an interesting osx build log last nite... | 16:58 |
mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - I'm not feeling very upper today :-P | 16:58 |
SynQ2 | what log? | 16:59 |
+perlDreamer | dude, you've been working crazy hours | 16:59 |
mech422 | perlDreamer: much less, studly caps :-P | 16:59 |
mech422 | SynQ2: it was a build log from an osx machine | 16:59 |
SynQ2 | I haven't seen it | 16:59 |
mech422 | SynQ2: he posted the url - but I didn't write it down :-/ | 16:59 |
+perlDreamer | IRC backlogs are on mentalhouse.net | 17:00 |
mech422 | interesting thing was ImageMagic doesn't seem to link against libperl on osx | 17:00 |
@rizen | http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/79833/build.log | 17:00 |
mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh thanks | 17:00 |
SynQ2 | ah | 17:01 |
SynQ2 | it fails at Time::HiRes | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | is that a wre 0.9.3 buildlog? | 17:02 |
mech422 | oh - it failed with something else last build I did - HTML something or other... | 17:02 |
mech422 | but here's the interesting bit from the IM build: | 17:02 |
mech422 | Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl | 17:02 |
mech422 | Writing Makefile for Image::Magick | 17:02 |
SynQ2 | ok | 17:02 |
* perlDreamer is going for an early morning run to beat the heat. | 17:02 |
+perlDreamer | we're currently sitting at 85 bugs | 17:03 |
mech422 | maybe libperl isn't needed at all for IM ? | 17:03 |
+perlDreamer | with 5-6 people working on bugs actively | 17:03 |
+perlDreamer | hack on! | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | I don't know | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | what I wonder | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | is that there has been a wre 0.9.3 released | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | but has the wre-source from update.webgui.org been updated accordingly | 17:03 |
SynQ2 | since when I tried to compile that 2 days ago it failed on lenny | 17:04 |
@rizen | the builds of wre that are there | 17:04 |
@rizen | were built from the source that is there | 17:04 |
SynQ2 | ok | 17:04 |
mech422 | SynQ2: I'm kinda thinking rizen's build boxes are 'special' somehow.. and the stuff builds there, but not on 'vanilla' boxes ? | 17:04 |
SynQ2 | mech422: I fear you could be right | 17:05 |
SynQ2 | but I don't know | 17:05 |
SynQ2 | all I know is that the build fails on my vanilla boxes | 17:05 |
carogray | hi all, back from the UK - quick question about redirects? | 17:05 |
mech422 | SynQ2: yes, all I can determine is it fails for me on 64bit lenny | 17:06 |
SynQ2 | and it fails on the -lperl of IM | 17:06 |
mech422 | SynQ2: I could possibly setup a 32bit lenny (I'm using xen, which supports 32 on 64) | 17:07 |
mech422 | SynQ2: but your having problems on 32bit - so maybe setting up say Centos would be more informative ? | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | well | 17:07 |
@rizen | i don't get how you guys can make that leap that my boxes are special | 17:07 |
SynQ2 | if it fails to build on lenny it's useless to me | 17:08 |
@rizen | every one of them is installed directly from the iso's you can download from the sites | 17:08 |
@rizen | plus | 17:08 |
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SynQ2 | rizen: no special packages added? | 17:08 |
carogray | if you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...); macro thing right? | 17:08 |
mech422 | rizen: you seem to be the only one that can build the wre's ? | 17:08 |
@rizen | i can get it to build on 7 operating systems and you can get them to not build on 2 | 17:08 |
@rizen | actually just one | 17:08 |
@rizen | cuz you're both trying to build on the same OS | 17:08 |
SynQ2 | agreed | 17:08 |
@rizen | no special packages | 17:08 |
@rizen | nothing that doesn't come with the os | 17:08 |
SynQ2 | but it fails on ubuntu 9 too | 17:09 |
@rizen | on it's disks | 17:09 |
mech422 | yeah - thats what we were just saying - perhaps trying a Centos or something would be more informative then beating on Lenny | 17:09 |
@rizen | sure, but i don't try to build on ubuntu 9 | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | I'm guessing -lperl does exist in the centos system somewhere | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | so it finds the system perl libraries | 17:09 |
@rizen | but i do build on ubuntu 6 | 17:09 |
@rizen | so perhaps there's a significant enough difference | 17:09 |
@rizen | between the old | 17:09 |
@rizen | and the new | 17:09 |
@rizen | that is causing the problem | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | perhaps the 'newer' systems have something 'different' then :) | 17:09 |
SynQ2 | inded | 17:10 |
SynQ2 | indeed that | 17:10 |
@rizen | right, it's not that my boxes are special | 17:10 |
@rizen | just that they are built with an older os | 17:10 |
SynQ2 | special == different | 17:10 |
@rizen | with the exception of rhel which is built using the newest | 17:10 |
@rizen | well, and macosx which is also built using the newset | 17:10 |
SynQ2 | macosx is different than linux | 17:10 |
SynQ2 | that is something which is clear | 17:11 |
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@rizen | sure it is, but it's also a full gnu build chain | 17:11 |
SynQ2 | indeed | 17:11 |
@rizen | it doesn't use the crap that they use in a lot of the other bsds | 17:11 |
SynQ2 | but probably less bleeding edge then lenny and ubuntu | 17:11 |
@rizen | that's probably true | 17:11 |
SynQ2 | I'm going to run a compile on etch now | 17:11 |
SynQ2 | to see if the older debian does compile | 17:12 |
@rizen | is etch the older version? | 17:12 |
@rizen | just prior to lenny? | 17:12 |
SynQ2 | etch = debian 4 | 17:12 |
mech422 | yeah | 17:12 |
SynQ2 | lenny = debian 5 | 17:12 |
@rizen | ok | 17:12 |
SynQ2 | but lenny = current stable | 17:12 |
SynQ2 | and etch = oldstable | 17:12 |
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mech422 | SynQ2: I want to look at the osx build log a bit more and see what else is in there... | 17:12 |
mech422 | SynQ2: if its not using libperl at all - maybe we can drop it from the other builds too ? | 17:13 |
SynQ2 | indeed | 17:13 |
SynQ2 | go ahead | 17:13 |
mech422 | (err - not using it for ImageMagick I mean) | 17:13 |
mech422 | can anyone run a bsd or solaris build and generate logs ? | 17:13 |
mech422 | or even a non-debian linux ? | 17:14 |
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mech422 | Hmm - I should look at setenvironment.sh and see if it does anything 'special' for osx... | 17:17 |
mech422 | heh - nope nothin there | 17:19 |
MrHairgrease1 | hey preaction | 17:25 |
MrHairgrease1 | how's the recur evry month on week thing supposed to work | 17:25 |
MrHairgrease1 | if I say every month on the second week on tuesday the results are varying | 17:26 |
MrHairgrease1 | for instance it selects this month on june 16 | 17:27 |
MrHairgrease1 | and next month july 14th | 17:27 |
MrHairgrease1 | I know why that is happening from the code | 17:28 |
@preaction | yeah, it's because the recur pattern generator is horrible and needs to change to DateTime::Event::ICalendar | 17:28 |
mech422 | SynQ2: thats odd - it builds rizen's openssl for arch 386 | 17:29 |
MrHairgrease1 | but wouldn't the intended behaviour be using the calendar week instead of the number of 'virtual' weeks from the start of the month | 17:29 |
MrHairgrease1 | yeah | 17:29 |
MrHairgrease1 | just fixed this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10228 | 17:29 |
MrHairgrease1 | which is actually the same problem I told you about two weeks ago or so | 17:29 |
MrHairgrease1 | I guess rewriting that sub with DateTime::Event::ICal would be considered an rfe? | 17:32 |
@Haarg | yes | 17:32 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: martin * r11131 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Fixed: Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228) | 17:41 |
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ckotil | anyone know of any YUI datatable examples in webgui? im having trouble, and its because im the API docs for the datatable are beyond YUI 2.5.1 and they require some new js modules | 17:57 |
MrHairgrease1 | check the vendor payout manager | 17:58 |
daviddelikat | I was just messing with YUI DT what are you looking for? | 17:58 |
MrHairgrease1 | it's in www/extras/vendorPayout/vendorPayout.js | 17:58 |
ckotil | ok ill do that MrHairgrease1 , thanks | 17:58 |
MrHairgrease1 | or the Asset Manager | 17:58 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: martin * r11132 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Merging fix for Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228) into 7.6 | 17:58 |
ckotil | daviddelikat: well i have some data in json format that i want to put into a YUI datatable | 17:59 |
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MrHairgrease1 | that's basically what the vp manager does | 17:59 |
daviddelikat | ckotil: its pretty easy | 17:59 |
MrHairgrease1 | so that should be a good start | 17:59 |
ckotil | vendor payout isnt in my version :( 7.5.31 | 17:59 |
ckotil | 32 rather | 17:59 |
daviddelikat | it is best if you make a function to generate the JSON and attach a datasource | 17:59 |
ckotil | ive used the YUI datable in the past w/ versoin 2.6.1 , but it doesnt seem to work the same with YUI 2.5.1 | 18:00 |
ckotil | ill try looking off of the asset manager | 18:00 |
daviddelikat | I just added some code to the EventManagerSystem | 18:01 |
daviddelikat | it is in WebGUI/Asset/Wobject | 18:01 |
daviddelikat | check out the viewSchedule and www_getSchedule stuff | 18:01 |
ckotil | but in the dev branch, right? | 18:02 |
daviddelikat | also look at the view schedule template on the display tab of the EMS | 18:03 |
daviddelikat | it should be in the main branch | 18:03 |
ckotil | what version? | 18:04 |
ckotil | and what versoin of YUI ? | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | the version that WebGUI is using | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | i think it is 2.5 | 18:04 |
ckotil | ok, thanks | 18:04 |
daviddelikat | I had noticed some items thata were diff. from teh latest YUI but i got around them | 18:05 |
@rizen | webgui uses YUI 2.6 | 18:06 |
@rizen | however, 2.7 is out | 18:06 |
ckotil | ya, thats all im finding API docs for is 2.7 | 18:06 |
ckotil | dunno how to get them for 2.5.1 | 18:06 |
@Haarg | the docs are all included with webgui | 18:07 |
@rizen | webgui ships with a complete set of YUI docs for that reason | 18:07 |
daviddelikat | where are you using 2.5.1? | 18:07 |
ckotil | ok sweet. | 18:07 |
ckotil | im stuck on version 7.5.32 for now | 18:07 |
ckotil | gonna schedule an update soon. | 18:07 |
ckotil | i should be able to smoothly upgrade to the latest stable now ;) | 18:07 |
daviddelikat | good luck | 18:08 |
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@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:08 |
SynQ2 | oeh | 18:09 |
SynQ2 | Mc Gurk | 18:09 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:10 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:11 |
SynQ2 | how do you do it? | 18:11 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | do what? | 18:11 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | and are you talking to me? | 18:11 |
SynQ2 | yes mr. McGurk, how do you slash them? | 18:13 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:13 |
SynQ2 | bare handedly? | 18:13 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | sometimes it's as easy as replying to a person to tell them that they're doing something wrong, or that the bug has already been fixed | 18:13 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | sometimes i just know exactly where to look | 18:13 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | cuz i wrote most of the code | 18:14 |
SynQ2 | so you have put those bugs in there yourself :) | 18:14 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | but then there are always bugs that kill me and take hours or days to fix | 18:14 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | SynQ2: exactly | 18:14 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i'm sure that i wrote 80% of the code in WebGUI, and that 98% of the bugs are mine | 18:14 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11133 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): re-fixed basic auth | 18:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11134 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): | 18:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fixed the problem with Basic Auth that UK fixed, but in a different way | 18:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: that still allows non-realm based Basic authentication. | 18:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11135 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: removed debug | 18:15 |
SynQ2 | hehe | 18:15 |
carogray | you guys can answer my redirect question yet? | 18:23 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:24 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | don't think i saw any redirect question | 18:24 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | what is it? | 18:24 |
mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: the build log you posted - was that a 'first' build? for some reason libreadline thought it was already compiled ? | 18:26 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11136 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm): WebGUI::Search epoch maximum range error (#10288) | 18:26 |
mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: if you had done a build of that code earlier, that would explain it | 18:27 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i had done a build out of that folder before, /data/wre was empty when i started | 18:28 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i forgot to do a --clean before i started | 18:28 |
mech422 | ahh ok | 18:28 |
carogray | bugslasher: it was before you came on Rizen and Mech422 were heavy into super programmer talk and I was hoping to catch someone ...this is my ?: | 18:29 |
carogray | if you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...); macro thing right? | 18:29 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | right, you'd put the full url in there | 18:30 |
carogray | k thanks just checking.:) | 18:31 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11137 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11138 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:39 |
mech422 | BugSlasherMcGurk: perl seems to build this as part of its bootstrap/install: Making Time::HiRes (dynamic) | 18:42 |
mech422 | and we install this in the perlmodules stuff: wget -t 4 -nv $CPANMIRROR/authors/id/J/JH/JHI/Time-HiRes-1.9719.tar.gz | 18:42 |
mech422 | are they different ? | 18:43 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | sorry, i don't have any idea what you're asking me. i've reread the sentence 3 times and it still doesn't make sense. | 18:43 |
mech422 | it appears Time-HiRes is installed twice | 18:44 |
mech422 | is that the case, or is there a reason not to use the version the perl bootstrap installs ? | 18:44 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | ah, now it makes sense | 18:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | we're probably just installing it twice because either: | 18:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | a) Time::HiRes didn't used to be part of perl | 18:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | b) i didn't realize it came with perl | 18:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | with the WRE 0.9 series we switched to Perl 5.10, which comes with some modules 5.8 didn't. So there may be some duplicates. | 18:46 |
mech422 | Since the second install is what blew up the build last night, perhaps we should comment it out and see if it causes any regressions ? | 18:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | who is we? | 18:46 |
mech422 | I can do it here - but I don't have an osx box to rebuild on | 18:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i can't rebuild it either | 18:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | it's bugfix day | 18:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i need to work on bug fixing | 18:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i can go back to wre tomorrow | 18:47 |
mech422 | ahh - ok | 18:47 |
SynQ2 | mech422: report a bug on it in the WRE :) | 18:48 |
SynQ2 | then our McGurk will have time ;) | 18:48 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | no he won't | 18:48 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | it's WebGUI bugfix day | 18:48 |
SynQ2 | oh bummer | 18:48 |
SynQ2 | just when I thought I had found a loophole | 18:49 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:52 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | one more bug to fix and we're down to 3 pages | 18:52 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | wahoo! | 18:52 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 18:55 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11139 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor | 18:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11140 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor | 18:56 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11141 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 18:56 |
@preaction | frodwith: how? how did you fix that bug with DataTable? | 19:03 |
@preaction | or does it create a new row without opening the edit box like it did when I had it? | 19:03 |
@frodwith | no, it works the way it was working before. Only, not broken. | 19:04 |
@frodwith | :-p | 19:04 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 19:04 |
@preaction | huh, weird | 19:04 |
@frodwith | http://pastie.org/499287 | 19:04 |
@preaction | ah, of course | 19:05 |
@preaction | is there a difference between the lambda and just passing in the reference to obj.editor.focus? | 19:06 |
@frodwith | yes | 19:07 |
@frodwith | the binding of the this variable | 19:07 |
@preaction | closure, okay | 19:07 |
@frodwith | just passing the function reference, this will be bound to window | 19:07 |
@frodwith | it isn't closure, it's function invocation. | 19:07 |
@frodwith | var fn = obj.method | 19:08 |
@frodwith | fn() is very different from obj.method() | 19:08 |
@frodwith | in the first case, 'this' means 'the default object'. In the second, 'this' is obj. | 19:08 |
@preaction | okay, i don't understand why, but i get it ;) | 19:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001) | 19:09 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001) | 19:09 |
@preaction | oh, nevermind, it is very similar to Perl's handling of it | 19:09 |
@frodwith | It has to do with making prototypes work properly | 19:10 |
@frodwith | and yes, sort of like that | 19:10 |
@frodwith | only the invocant is explicit | 19:10 |
@frodwith | in perl | 19:10 |
@frodwith | so you don't run into it | 19:10 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: since i've closed 9 bugs so far today, does that mean i can quit now? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | no | 19:10 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | do i get a set of steak knives at least? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | I'll give you 1 kKarma. How 'bout that? | 19:11 |
@preaction | you get a lousy copy of our home game | 19:11 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | but but but but | 19:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | Anyone experimented with GWT for client side development? | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGurk, and pointing out that you fixed 9 bugs in 1/3 of the time it takes me to do that won't buy you any brownie points either. | 19:15 |
@frodwith | preaction: dojo has a bind function, e.g. dojo.bind(object, function) that essentially makes a function() { object.function() }. I wonder if YUI has something similar? | 19:16 |
@preaction | i know YUI has scope-correction in event handlers (which is probably why I haven't worried much about scope and "this") | 19:17 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | perlDreamer: i probably just got lucky, and picked the easy ones | 19:17 |
daviddelikat | what is the style lused for the bug tracker on WebGUI? | 19:18 |
@preaction | style? | 19:19 |
daviddelikat | yeah, collaboration has a dozen or more style options... | 19:19 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | it's not a cs | 19:19 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | it's a helpdesk asset | 19:19 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | not released to the public yet | 19:19 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | cuz it's still alpha | 19:19 |
daviddelikat | so how does one go about fixing bugs in it? | 19:20 |
daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9763 | 19:20 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | khenn is working on it | 19:20 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | but if you would too | 19:20 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i can get you access to the git repo | 19:20 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | there are lots of bugs for it | 19:20 |
daviddelikat | be happy to. | 19:20 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | so there' sno way khenn fixes them all today | 19:21 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | what's your github user? | 19:22 |
daviddelikat | i guess Ill have to make one... | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | All bug fixers are backporting to the 7.6 branch, right? | 19:24 |
daviddelikat | BugSlasherMcGurk: github uid is daviddelikat | 19:25 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i have been | 19:27 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | daviddelikat: you have privs to commit back | 19:27 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | http://github.com/plainblack/helpdesk/tree/master | 19:28 |
daviddelikat | thanks, I'll get a copy and get to work... | 19:33 |
mech422 | SynQ2: ping? | 19:40 |
mech422 | SynQ2: if ya get a chance - let me know how the Etch build went :-) | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | 73 bugs | 19:42 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11144 /WebGUI/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 20:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: yung * r11145 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings | 20:08 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11146 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 20:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix multiple email handling in the Inbox. | 20:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Put an email regex into WebGUI::Utility, and use it in Form/Email and Account/Inbox. | 20:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11147 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: pull out an i18n message I created but didn't use. | 20:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Backporting Account/Inbox multiple email fix. | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | is webgui.org down, or am I just lucky? | 20:25 |
@preaction | you're lucky | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | so you can get to the bug board? | 20:26 |
+perlDreamer | hm, you're right, the wG itself is working fine, must be only the helpdesk | 20:27 |
@preaction | nope, HD works fine for me | 20:27 |
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+perlDreamer | brb | 20:34 |
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ckotil | I just hit the URL character limit when using the WYSIWYG html source editor. Apparently this thing sends back the html as a GET variable | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | how big is it? | 20:42 |
ckotil | i dont really know how to check. but its gotta be whatever the default limit is for a GET variable | 20:42 |
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@preaction | ckotil: what are you editing? there shouldn't be a GET with the rich editor | 20:45 |
ckotil | editing an article asset using the rich editor | 20:45 |
ckotil | v7.5.32 | 20:46 |
ckotil | well the rich editors html source editor | 20:46 |
@preaction | it shouldn't, it should use JS (window.opener.forms[...].elements[...].value ) | 20:47 |
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ckotil | then this JS foo that im doing must be jacking with it | 20:47 |
ckotil | but when i click submit, i see. 'Request-URI Too Large' | 20:47 |
ckotil | an apache error | 20:48 |
ckotil | and all the html source is in the URI in the address bar | 20:48 |
@preaction | that's weird | 20:48 |
ckotil | its loooong. | 20:48 |
ckotil | yeah. its gotta be this JS, when i remove it. it works just fine | 20:50 |
* perlDreamer heads out for lunch | 21:00 |
ckotil | heh, you wont believe what the problem was. | 21:00 |
ckotil | select.options[0] = new Option("---",0,false,false); | 21:00 |
ckotil | the --- caused the rich editor to freak out. i replaced it with just "" and it saved the text | 21:00 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11149 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 21:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: bug #10261: fixed span tag per bug report | 21:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10261 | 21:23 |
@frodwith | is the to-be-released beta 7.7.8 or 7.7.9? | 21:42 |
@preaction | frodwith: check lib/WebGUI.pm $VERSION, that's the to-be-released version number | 21:43 |
@preaction | i think 7.7.9 | 21:43 |
@frodwith | $VERSION says 8 | 21:44 |
@preaction | mine says 7.7.9 | 21:44 |
Mech422 | woah | 21:46 |
Mech422 | I re-ran my build of last nights git clone.. and it _completed_ ? | 21:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | heh | 21:46 |
Mech422 | gonna run tests now - but what changed ?? | 21:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | it's magic Mech422 | 21:46 |
@preaction | did you clean between? | 21:46 |
Mech422 | I rm -rf /data/wrebuild/source /data/wre | 21:47 |
Mech422 | but I did that last night too | 21:47 |
Mech422 | this is just scary | 21:47 |
@preaction | dunno then. magic! | 21:47 |
+BartJol | I remember that Koen had something similar | 22:02 |
+BartJol | but dunno whether that was wre or webgui | 22:02 |
Mech422 | Its installing wG now.. | 22:04 |
Mech422 | then I'll fire up the test suite | 22:04 |
Mech422 | is this broken atm ? t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t | 22:20 |
Mech422 | it seems to have failed the first 3 tests, then aborted with status 255 ? | 22:20 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: hey - poll.t passes all tests :-) | 22:24 |
Mech422 | including the infamous test 4 | 22:24 |
Mech422 | t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/edit.t also seems to have aborted | 22:31 |
Mech422 | and Auth/mech.t | 22:31 |
Mech422 | and POE server component throws a compile warning | 22:32 |
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Mech422 | that seems to be it :-) | 22:32 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: got time for a question quick? | 22:36 |
WebGUI1 | wre 0.9.3 compiles fine on debian etch | 22:36 |
Mech422 | WebGUI1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2a911be6 | 22:36 |
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Mech422 | WebGUI1: how odd - it just compiled here as well | 22:37 |
SynQ | pidgin is not the most splendid irc client | 22:37 |
SynQ | to say the most | 22:37 |
Trex | Hey folks. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered the issue with the new Office 2007 XML document format and problems it causes when someone tries to download such documents from a website. | 22:38 |
Trex | http://littletechthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/01/ie-changes-docx-xlsx-pptx-to-zip-while.html | 22:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11150 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine. | 22:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11151 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend | 22:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11152 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.9/root_import_account_profile_default-view-profile-template.wgpkg: whoops, forgot the updated template | 22:38 |
SynQ | Mech422: I'm using JT's source tarball | 22:38 |
SynQ | this one http://update.webgui.org/wre/source/wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz | 22:38 |
Trex | (specifically downloading from IE -- the problem doesn't arise in Firefox) | 22:38 |
SynQ | I'm going to recompile on lenny too | 22:39 |
SynQ | using that one | 22:39 |
Mech422 | SynQ: I have no idea what changed but the git checkout fromlast nite started working | 22:39 |
SynQ | it must have been the moon | 22:39 |
SynQ | or one of the other planets | 22:40 |
@preaction | Trex: it provides a fix at the bottom for Apache | 22:40 |
SynQ | or maybe the musqito I killed last night | 22:40 |
SynQ | but hey | 22:41 |
SynQ | if it works I'm happy | 22:41 |
Trex | preaction: yes -- but only having minimal experience mucking with Apache, I wanted to see if anyone else had addressed the problem, and could confirm whether that change wouldn't impact a standard WebGUI installation. | 22:41 |
@preaction | that change should not hurt anything WebGUI does. it only affects the files that apache sends | 22:42 |
Trex | Also, I wanted to confirm which file this would go in -- in a standard WRE setup. Would you add it to modproxy.conf? or modperl.conf? Or does it not matter? | 22:42 |
Trex | Both of those files have similar blocks of "AddType" | 22:42 |
@preaction | Trex: probably best to put it in both | 22:43 |
Mech422 | SynQ: yeah - its nice it's working... I'd like to know why though - I didn't change anything.. | 22:44 |
Trex | preaction: Thanks! Is this something that might be considered a "bug" or feature request -- a standard enough issue users will see that it's worth adding to the default WebGUI config files? | 22:44 |
Trex | Or should I just add something to the wiki to let people who discover the problem fix it for themselves? | 22:44 |
Mech422 | SynQ: anyway - if you get a chance to build 9.3 from git on Lenny, I'd interested to here how it goes | 22:44 |
SynQ | I'm trying that right now | 22:46 |
@preaction | Trex: i would post it as an RFE with the lines, that way it can get in quickly | 22:46 |
@preaction | it's also an RFE agains the WRE, not WebGUI (making sure you pick the right project will make it easier to get it in) | 22:46 |
SynQ | Mech422: and as I said, on ubuntu 9 too | 22:46 |
SynQ | for our friends at Oqapi | 22:47 |
Mech422 | SynQ: the 2 spectre compile bugs are due to POE's server component having a 'my' declaration that masks one at a higher level | 22:47 |
Trex | Good point. Also, I'd forgotten that today was Bugfix Day. Is that what the rest of you are working on at the moment? | 22:48 |
@preaction | bugs? in a manner of speaking yes | 22:48 |
Mech422 | nappy time.. | 23:04 |
Mech422 | later all | 23:04 |
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+perlDreamer | down to 70 bugs | 23:14 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: paul * r11153 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend | 23:23 |
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+perlDreamer | what, stopping so soon? | 23:23 |
@rizen | since i don't seem to be getting any bugs fixed due to having to help everyone and their brother with something | 23:24 |
@rizen | i don't deserve the moniker | 23:24 |
@frodwith | you could be BugFiddlerMcSmith | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I'd like to close out this bug | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | no feedback for 6 weeks | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | and it's working like it should | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | it looks like he wants to be able to say "yes" or "no" instead of 1 or 0 | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | all, I'm going to work on the dirty thing field bug | 23:31 |
@rizen | ok go ahead | 23:31 |
@rizen | but then file a new bug | 23:31 |
@rizen | because helpdesk should have autoclosed it | 23:31 |
@rizen | if there was no feedback after 2 weeks | 23:31 |
@rizen | you're saying it's been marked "Feedback Reequested" for 6 weeks, right? | 23:32 |
SynQ | smoking hardware in your office is never a good thing | 23:34 |
SynQ | one of my 22" tft's just died on me | 23:34 |
@preaction | yeah, stick to weed | 23:34 |
SynQ | white smoke was coming out of it | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, yes | 23:34 |
SynQ | and the smell of molten plastics | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | if you let out the magic smoke, it won't work anymore | 23:35 |
@preaction | SynQ: that's the good stuff! hit that like mike tyson! | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | try to collect it all and they may be able to put it back in | 23:35 |
SynQ | hehe | 23:35 |
SynQ | I have inhaled some of it, perhaps now my eyes will have 1600x1200 pixels soon | 23:35 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: do you think I should care about the amount of karma I have and others get/ | 23:37 |
SynQ | or shouldn't I? | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | I don't answer questions anymore, unless you give me karma | 23:38 |
SynQ | ok, hang on... | 23:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11154 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm: Oops, didn?t notice the lc shift, removing unnecessary case-insensitive matching from regex. | 23:38 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: done :) | 23:39 |
@rizen | you know, maybe i still do deserve the moniker. have i closed more bugs than anybody else today? | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | yes, you have rizen | 23:39 |
SynQ | rizen: is bugfixing day a competition? | 23:39 |
@preaction | always | 23:40 |
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@BugSlasherMcGurk | then i shall keep the moniker until someone takes it from me by fixing more bugs than me | 23:41 |
SynQ | mcgurk forever :) | 23:41 |
SynQ | I'm going to walk the dog | 23:43 |
SynQ | bbl | 23:43 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, want to pinch-hit one for me? | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | I put in a fix for this bug a while ago, and it seems like it's working, but I don't know for sure, because it's a widget. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10095 | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | can you look at a widget and tell me if it's working correctly? | 23:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | bug-- | 23:49 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | what? | 23:49 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i can't fix a bug for you | 23:49 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | then i'd who would get the credit? | 23:49 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i don't understand the problem | 23:50 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | why can't you test it? | 23:50 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | i'm enabling the macro on my dev box | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | I think it works fine, but again, I don't know what it's supposed to do in the first place. | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | and you can take the credit | 23:55 |
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@preaction | it's supposed to show a gear icon, and then when you paste the code, it should show the exact asset you specified by ID in the widget macro definition | 23:56 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | yup it works | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | then I'll track down the commit, backport it to 7.6, and close it out | 00:00 |
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@rizen | ok i'm giving up | 00:02 |
@rizen | my brain hurts | 00:02 |
@rizen | that's 11 for me today | 00:02 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine. | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | bug-- | 00:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11156 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): | 00:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Prevent Form/File from returning links in getValueAsHtml if there's | 00:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: no real value in the storage element to return. | 00:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): Backporting Form/File fix for empty storage. | 00:23 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11158 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server | 00:23 |
+BartJol | SynQ, have you managed to compile wre 0.9.3 for debian today, when I left it looked like you would have a busy day | 00:30 |
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+BartJol | oh rizen, on a side notice, has Sarah our phonenumbers | 00:33 |
+BartJol | ? | 00:33 |
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SynQ | BartJol: I can confirm that wre 0.9.3 build still fails on debian lenny, but success I had on debian etch | 00:35 |
@rizen | BartJol: no idea | 00:35 |
SynQ | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl it says | 00:35 |
@rizen | BartJol: i recommend emailing them to her | 00:35 |
SynQ | while making imagamagick | 00:35 |
+BartJol | I am mailing Sarah | 00:36 |
+BartJol | too bad it doesn't compile | 00:36 |
+BartJol | oh | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, the Widget bug is fixed | 00:37 |
+BartJol | well, let's try it then, maybe a bit late, but hey.. | 00:38 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: widget bug? | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | didn't you submit a bug under the name LoopSetShop? | 00:39 |
@rizen | what's a good visual FTP client for linux? | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11159 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11160 /translations/German/German/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11161 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Multiple fixes for Widget, templating, handling assetIds that are not safe for JS, etc. | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11162 /translations/German/German/Asset_Carousel.pm: Update from translation server | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11163 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debugging. | 00:39 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11164 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document bug fix for Widget, actual rev 10474 | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, you want something that works with GTK or K, or something standalone? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | K=KDE | 00:39 |
@rizen | stand alone | 00:40 |
+BartJol | loopsetshop is Koen's brother | 00:40 |
@rizen | how is filezilla on linux | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | let me check | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | I always use nsftp | 00:40 |
@rizen | but that's command line, right? | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | filezilla is pretty good | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | very simple | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | 1 screen | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | host, username, password | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | then two panes | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | here, and over there | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | drag and drop looks like it would work | 00:43 |
SynQ | hmm | 00:44 |
SynQ | rizen: on debian etch ldconfig -v | grep perl gives me nothing whereas on debian lenny that gives me: libperl.so.5.10 -> libperl.so.5.10.0 | 00:45 |
SynQ | could that break the WRE compile? | 00:45 |
SynQ | could that explain why if you put the path to the wre perl in the configure line it would compile? | 00:46 |
SynQ | and also why it would compile if you leave out the -lperl for that matter? | 00:47 |
@rizen | no idea | 00:47 |
@rizen | i know very little about C | 00:47 |
@rizen | basically i compile until i have a problem | 00:47 |
@rizen | then i google my way out of it | 00:47 |
SynQ | uh huh | 00:47 |
SynQ | same here | 00:47 |
SynQ | I think the knowledge of someone who does know about C and compiling and linking stuff with that would help a lot here :) | 00:48 |
SynQ | anyone in tha house know about C? | 00:48 |
SynQ | we definately need the --with-perl enable build/install of PerlMagick switch :) | 00:49 |
SynQ | the odd thing is | 00:51 |
SynQ | I did get that version of ImageMagick to compile before | 00:52 |
SynQ | I'm gonna see what happens if I remove the LD=ld there | 00:52 |
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+BartJol | well let's see whether the compiling works, fine up till now | 01:07 |
+BartJol | SynQ shall I package it before continuing? at least we will have a wre 0.9.3 debian etch package | 01:10 |
+BartJol | or do you have one already? | 01:11 |
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+perlDreamer | 61 open bugs | 02:36 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 02:50 |
+patspam | hola! | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | down to 62 bugs | 02:51 |
+perlDreamer | not bad considering we started at the mid 90's | 02:52 |
+patspam | rock on. I'm looking at r11116 for backportability | 02:52 |
+patspam | (#9927) | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | it's gnarly | 02:53 |
+patspam | good turn-out for the bug-fix day? | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 02:53 |
+patspam | awesome | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | daviddelikat was fixing bugs, yung and MrHairgrease, too | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | WRE 0.9.3 was released | 02:53 |
+perlDreamer | you don't have a safari browser around, do you patspam? | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | 61 bugs | 02:56 |
+patspam | does my iphone count? | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | not sure | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | yung was looking for a safari user to verify a rendering problem | 02:57 |
+perlDreamer | and an iphone might just throw more questions into the mix | 02:58 |
+patspam | don't all the PB guys use OSX? | 03:05 |
+perlDreamer | yup, they're busy, or ignoring me, or both, or something else altogether | 03:06 |
+patspam | as soon as andy appears I'll ask him | 03:06 |
+perlDreamer | ok | 03:07 |
+perlDreamer | even though it's tomorrow in Australia, you should still get credit for Bugfix Day | 03:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11165 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the delete album screen. | 03:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11166 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting gallery album i18n fix. | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | and congrats on being added to the credits file | 03:08 |
+patspam | woo! thanks :) | 03:08 |
+patspam | heh thanks for correcting the spelling of my name in that | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome | 03:09 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11167 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Removed console.log from JS files | 03:22 |
* perlDreamer takes a dinner break | 03:26 |
+patspam | perlDreamer: i backported that fix | 03:26 |
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+perlDreamer | thanks, patspam! | 03:36 |
+perlDreamer | 60 bugs | 03:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11168 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backported fix for #9927: Survey - verbatim | 03:37 |
+perlDreamer | bug closed | 03:37 |
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+perlDreamer | I don't see any way to get the expires data for a cache | 04:17 |
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* perlDreamer is going to call it a day and night | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | see y'all later | 04:26 |
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CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc75317c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/Pjsbv | 09:34 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r48b4c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/1aEKhP | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rbc36aad / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey changes from master - http://bit.ly/lqgLV | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc6ef686 / : | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Merge branch 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui into flux | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: * 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui: | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: Conflicts: | 09:43 |
CIA-23 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm - http://bit.ly/hUAfc | 09:43 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11169 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ (Survey.pm.orig Survey.pm): Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. | 10:38 |
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carogray | anyone about to help with a tag? or class ? | 14:34 |
+bartjol | sur | 14:35 |
+bartjol | ee | 14:35 |
+bartjol | let's hear | 14:35 |
+bartjol | carogray: what's it about exactly? | 14:38 |
carogray | Hey! how was your sailing - looked for you off the coast of Norfolk, but the furthest South we got was Weybourne! Lovely weather eh? | 14:39 |
+bartjol | it sure was! | 14:39 |
+bartjol | but not enough wind on the way back, it took us 44 hours | 14:39 |
carogray | ayah! yes, we found not a lot of wind too. However this was good for my husband cause he is learning to use a kite for sailing | 14:40 |
+bartjol | :) | 14:40 |
carogray | he was just using a trainer kite on the beach - working up to learning to kite board etc. | 14:40 |
+bartjol | cool | 14:40 |
carogray | anyhow my question is whether there is an HTML <glossary> tag | 14:41 |
+bartjol | but you wanted help? | 14:41 |
+bartjol | mmm | 14:41 |
carogray | or whether there is an "accepted" way of using HTML CSS for displaying words that eventually we want to put into or link to definitions | 14:42 |
carogray | or XHTML ... | 14:42 |
carogray | whatever | 14:42 |
+bartjol | well, I'm looking | 14:43 |
+bartjol | mmm, wel the only thig I can come up with is to embed them in the keyword section in the metadata | 14:46 |
+bartjol | but that doesn't sound like that's what you want | 14:46 |
carogray | not sure.....what you mean what would I embed in the metadata exactly, but also that would have to be unique for each article? unless I made a prototype article will all the things embedded in every article? | 14:48 |
carogray | or rather a template for the article? | 14:48 |
carogray | still not sure about what you mean by embed in metadata | 14:48 |
+bartjol | sorry, trying to do 2 things at a time, as a man, that's impossible | 14:50 |
carogray | there is a big design conference coming up in June in Boston - I may try to see if I can get answers to solutions to the problem there - I have just been blithely gettig people to tag our glossary words with <glossary> thinking this is a tag and just discovered yesterday there isn't really an html <glossary> tag and it is making a mess of some articles | 14:50 |
carogray | O:-) | 14:50 |
+bartjol | but now I'm back | 14:50 |
+bartjol | moving pixels around is tiring | 14:51 |
carogray | moving pixels? | 14:51 |
+bartjol | but these words should only be visible in the source html? | 14:51 |
carogray | the words? no I want the words to show in the text, but for now they shouldn't look any different | 14:52 |
+bartjol | the keyword I mean is the field keywords in the metadata, which are used by search engines | 14:52 |
+bartjol | maybe you can put a <span> tag around it with a class | 14:52 |
carogray | so say we have a long article that has words like, "lease" "retaliate" "tenant" | 14:53 |
+bartjol | and later give that class propertties | 14:53 |
carogray | yes.... that is exactly what I was thinking by using the glossary tag. Identify the word for now - only in source, but then later | 14:53 |
+bartjol | well span it is then I thinkl | 14:54 |
carogray | when we have figured out how/what we want to do go back and do something with the identified words | 14:54 |
carogray | thanks for this ! | 14:54 |
+bartjol | no problem | 14:54 |
carogray | so just simply put each word in <span>retaliate</span> tags like this? | 14:54 |
+bartjol | yeah, and do give it a class | 14:55 |
+bartjol | makes the css afterwards easier | 14:56 |
+bartjol | but probably you can do without a class | 14:56 |
+bartjol | as long as they are in a common container | 14:56 |
carogray | so <span class="glossary"> retaliate</span> and just don't define the class? Perhaps we should also give them an individual id like the word itself for future ref also? | 14:57 |
carogray | so <span class="glossary" id="retaliate"> retaliate</span> | 14:58 |
carogray | or not? | 14:58 |
+bartjol | well, that depends on what you wanna do with it later | 14:58 |
carogray | would the extra id get in the way? | 14:58 |
+bartjol | that has use as long it should be shown differnent | 14:58 |
+bartjol | no, it shouldn't | 14:58 |
carogray | you mean unique id's? | 14:58 |
+bartjol | as long as it exists only a single time | 14:58 |
carogray | on a page right? | 14:59 |
+bartjol | well the classes are used by css to give it properties | 14:59 |
+bartjol | but if you want to link them, that should be done in html and adding an id will be useless | 14:59 |
carogray | oh | 14:59 |
carogray | hmm | 14:59 |
+bartjol | so only if they should have, let's say differnt colors, it has use | 15:00 |
carogray | there wouldn't be a way to in the css set up some sort of glossary list so that every unique id or class would when mouse overed have some sort of definition appear? | 15:01 |
+bartjol | probably | 15:02 |
+bartjol | let me think | 15:02 |
+bartjol | mmm, i made something like that | 15:03 |
+bartjol | aah, I know :( | 15:03 |
+bartjol | we don't host that site anymore | 15:04 |
carogray | oh :-( | 15:04 |
+bartjol | but you have a hoover p[roperty for a span | 15:04 |
carogray | what?! | 15:04 |
+bartjol | or at least somewhere | 15:04 |
carogray | oh hover | 15:05 |
carogray | I get it | 15:05 |
+bartjol | sorry | 15:05 |
carogray | I was thining vacuum cleaners - British Hoover | 15:06 |
+bartjol | hey, I am only Dutch | 15:06 |
carogray | thinking | 15:06 |
carogray | ja | 15:06 |
+bartjol | ah | 15:06 |
+bartjol | but for link there is a hover property. but like the editing part for an asset, those properties have hover text too | 15:07 |
+bartjol | so just rip that functionality | 15:07 |
carogray | oh yeah - of course. | 15:08 |
carogray | so how do I "rip that functionality"? | 15:08 |
carogray | can I see it in the source when I am in edit mode? | 15:09 |
+bartjol | maybe here: | 15:10 |
+bartjol | http://www.javascriptkit.com/javatutors/crossmenu2.shtml | 15:10 |
+bartjol | looks like it's javascript | 15:10 |
+bartjol | which makes some sense | 15:11 |
carogray | yes, this looks really good. | 15:11 |
carogray | I don't know that much about java script, we already use it in some places for showing and hiding footnotes, so I guess we can try this too, not sure how it would work with/for screen readers -this particular feature, but at least it's a start. | 15:12 |
+bartjol | well, my approach to javascript is: copy paste stuff you know that works and leave it be | 15:14 |
+bartjol | and I managed to get this done once, so you should be able to find working code | 15:15 |
carogray | right - this is a great start to getting me thinking again about the problem...thanks! | 15:16 |
+bartjol | good, and if ou have more question, I'll dig deeper and will look if I can find what I made last time | 15:16 |
carogray | right - thanks a lot for this - I am trying to get one of our admins to fix a ton of Word docs and then post them on WebGUI so she is just learning HTML and I am throwing so much at her | 15:17 |
carogray | I need to figure out a way for her to get some of this in now and then go back later to fine tune | 15:18 |
+bartjol | Word documents...mmmm | 15:18 |
+bartjol | but if she's just learning, a quick cource on w3schools mifght be a plan | 15:19 |
+bartjol | http://www.w3schools.com/html/ | 15:20 |
carogray | yah the w3schools is excellent. | 15:20 |
+bartjol | especially if you have to transform word docs to html | 15:20 |
carogray | I just used a lot of it yesterday in my introduction to basic HTML for editors, but Bee, my helper is having to do catch and identify all kinds of messes | 15:21 |
+bartjol | ah | 15:21 |
+bartjol | a lot of work I see | 15:21 |
carogray | there are alll these endnotes brought over from word with messy long and complicated corruptions that she needs to replace with ^PageUrl()# and stuff | 15:21 |
carogray | ugh | 15:21 |
+bartjol | well, at least you don't have to do that alone | 15:22 |
carogray | can't give her too much to do, cause she still wasted a whole morning yesterday opening a file in IE and saving it which messed up all her a href's big time... I won't go into it, but i can't give her too many new things at once | 15:22 |
carogray | thank god! | 15:23 |
carogray | and thank our funders! | 15:23 |
+bartjol | was that a particular site? | 15:23 |
carogray | the trick is to think enough ahead of time so that we don't have to keep going back and fixing stuff cause my directions wer eporr or wrong | 15:23 |
carogray | yes, MassLegalHelp.org | 15:24 |
+bartjol | cool | 15:24 |
+bartjol | people do need stuff like that | 15:24 |
carogray | right - now if I can only get David Huggins back on to fixing the tell a friend thing I have been killing him with we can get back to more improvements... must get on with my naggin | 15:25 |
+bartjol | :) | 15:26 |
carogray | thanks again for taking the time this morning/today to help me AGAIN! | 15:26 |
+bartjol | again, no problem :) | 15:26 |
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ckotil | Is it possible to change the text color via the rich editor in 7.5.32? | 16:03 |
+MrHairgrease | try to enable the foreground color option in the rich editor's conifg | 16:05 |
ckotil | ah. ok. | 16:06 |
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ckotil | im troubleshooting some 'issues' my users are having. stupid stuff like 'urls for links and email arent being parsed automatically correctly' 'table size cant be changed when pasted into webgui' 'hwo do i change text color' | 16:07 |
ckotil | at least the 3rd question appears valid. | 16:07 |
ckotil | thanks MrHairgrease , that worked. | 16:14 |
+MrHairgrease | oki | 16:14 |
+MrHairgrease | good luck with your support quest | 16:14 |
ckotil | im not going to spend much time on it. the other 2 seem like user error to me | 16:15 |
ckotil | im going to tell them how to do what they want to do. | 16:15 |
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SquOnk | Hi | 16:54 |
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+MrHairgrease | howdy! | 16:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | howdy doody. | 17:13 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:51 |
+perlDreamer | I don't know if y'all heard, but my son Peter was hit in the head with a soccer ball yesterday | 17:51 |
@Haarg | ouch | 17:51 |
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+perlDreamer | they took him to the ER because he lost consciousness, and couldn't walk for a while | 17:51 |
+perlDreamer | but the CAT scan came back okay, and he's been acting normally | 17:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: is he okay now? | 17:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | wow | 17:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | concussion? | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | they thought so | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | rang his bell pretty well | 17:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | wow | 17:52 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Sorry to hear that. | 17:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | you okay? Must have taken a few years off your life in worry. | 17:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: How old is he? | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | He's 10 | 17:53 |
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+perlDreamer | I was more angry than worried, but yeah. Yesterday wasn't fun. | 17:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh. I was hit in the head by a batted baseball when I was 7... | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | yow. They're hard, too. | 17:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...I turned out all right. Or so I think :) | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | well, you did choose Debian over Fedora, but that could be for other reasons | 17:54 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Was it while playing or just a randomly kicked ball? | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | He was playing some variant of soccer. Two goals, three balls. | 17:54 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: My choosing of Debian over Fedora has to do with a quarter of a century of Unix experience, basically :) | 17:54 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh. Interesting. | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | I know SquOnk, just can't help teasing you. | 17:54 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, he was looking the other way when he got hit in the head. | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | no, he got hit in the forehead. He probably was looking at another ball | 17:55 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Good news is that the forehead _is_ the best place to be hit with a soccer ball. | 17:56 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: If the CAT scan doesn't show anything, just forget about it. | 17:56 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, he got have been hit in the face, or the back of the head... | 17:56 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Until you hit 12-14 the cranium hasn't soldered yet. | 17:57 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The seams in between the bones are still very flexible and the brain is resting inside two coats with liquids. | 17:57 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a kid, the seams between the bones absorb most of the kinetic energy, while the amount left has to be handled by the liquid where the brain floats. | 17:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The movement the brain has can have the effects you described, but once the "turbulence" goes away and everything settles down, you end up ok. | 17:58 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a grown up... you'll break your skull or get a concussion because there are no moving parts to dissipate the kinetic energy. | 17:59 |
+perlDreamer | seems like a design flaw... | 17:59 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: No, it's just evolution. | 17:59 |
* MrHairgrease is looking for a child to test the theory | 18:00 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Once you've grown you've already reproduced and you should be wise enough not to get hit in the head :) | 18:00 |
carogray | weighing in here. | 18:00 |
carogray | I am an old fart, my kids are 19 and 21 | 18:00 |
carogray | my son has had countless concussions | 18:00 |
carogray | although I dont recommend it, he is still an amazingly brilliant if determined, stubborn cuss | 18:01 |
carogray | his last one happened just a couple of months ago. He is ski patrol on a snowboard at our local mountain | 18:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: You should worry about hits in the head if the kids are nearsighted. | 18:01 |
carogray | kids are amazingly resilient - mine would no longer be around if they weren't | 18:02 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Nearsighted people (like me) have a slighter fragile retina than the rest of people. | 18:02 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: A hard hit in the head could lead to retina tearing. And that's very bad. | 18:02 |
SquOnk | That's why I stopped playing soccer once I entered college. I've been 6'2" 200 lbs. since I was 16 years old, had a mighty right leg kick... but could afford the risk to a header | 18:04 |
SquOnk | ...so it was best to just leave the game | 18:04 |
SquOnk | Now its carom billiards or plain jogging. | 18:04 |
+MrHairgrease | I have -15 glasses and never tore my retina, | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | but then again | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | I never played soccer | 18:05 |
SquOnk | MrHairgrease: Just avoid bumping your head :) | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | well I did in school | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | but only because I had too | 18:05 |
+MrHairgrease | squonk, I just moved into an old warehouse where the ceiling beams are about 1.90 meters above the floor | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | I fit just below them | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | but the doorpost of my bathroom is slightly lower | 18:06 |
+MrHairgrease | I already lost count how many times i crashed my head into those things | 18:07 |
daviddelikat | I had a basement like that | 18:07 |
daviddelikat | after a while you just bend in half and miss the beams | 18:08 |
daviddelikat | except when you are in a hurry | 18:08 |
daviddelikat | then you just crack your head open | 18:08 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, I'm getting conditioned too | 18:08 |
+MrHairgrease | the ramming frequency seems to drop over time | 18:08 |
daviddelikat | I'm afraid of what people will see if I ever lose my hair | 18:08 |
daviddelikat | probably just covered with scars | 18:08 |
+MrHairgrease | a bald guy? | 18:08 |
daviddelikat | not yet | 18:09 |
daviddelikat | but theres potential | 18:09 |
SquOnk | A roadmap of Kansas? | 18:09 |
daviddelikat | never been there | 18:09 |
daviddelikat | but it wont be iowa thats for sure | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, get a SawZAll and _adjust_ the height of the door frame | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | hack it | 18:09 |
+perlDreamer | it's not perl, but it'll work | 18:09 |
daviddelikat | actually not a bad idea | 18:10 |
daviddelikat | just make sure to attach some 2x4's to the sides for structure | 18:10 |
daviddelikat | and strength | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | the building date of my house if before 1906 | 18:11 |
+MrHairgrease | but prolly a long time before | 18:11 |
+MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if that would be a good idea | 18:11 |
+MrHairgrease | also, the guy who rents it to me prolly won't be thrilled | 18:12 |
daviddelikat | yeah those landlords can be picky | 18:13 |
daviddelikat | they think they own the place | 18:13 |
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+perlDreamer | bopbop, may have a bugfix for the Dashboard/Shortcut userPrefs bug in a few minutes | 18:17 |
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@bopbop | great | 18:55 |
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Mordicaal | Hey all, General question about the collaboration system and various other jwobjects(i think there called) | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | Assets or wobjects. We've been just calling them assets. | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | What's the question? | 19:18 |
Mordicaal | There is a page, that follows a users submission of a form. Is there an easy mode way to make that page forward back to where the user frist started editing the "asset" | 19:18 |
Mordicaal | I like asset :P lets stick with that :) | 19:18 |
+perlDreamer | that page has a template | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | you should be able to modify it to do a http redirect back to the original asset | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | instead of displaying the nice message which tells them that due to version control, what they submit may not show up on the site immediately | 19:19 |
Mordicaal | Aye, that was the route I was going. However, I can't seem to locate the template. | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | what version of WebGUI? | 19:20 |
Mordicaal | 7.5 i belive | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | look for a postReceivedTemplate | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | it's only in 7.6 or higher | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | is upgrading an option? | 19:21 |
Mordicaal | Nope, however let me find out for sure what version | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: this is your life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY | 19:25 |
@tavisto | hehe yep I've seen that | 19:27 |
@tavisto | we didn't budget for this..... | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | We'll roll it into the next one | 19:27 |
@tavisto | hehe | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | We'll pay for it this time, but we want to watch how you make it so we can do it ourselves next time. | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | I love that one, because wG is open source | 19:28 |
@tavisto | I've got a few line items I'd like to remove | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'll cover costs, but I'm not willing to do more | 19:29 |
@tavisto | what we'll need you to do is show us how you did everything... so we can do it ourselves | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | so what's new in WebGUI marketing? | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'm looking for a great story for WNN #5 | 19:30 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11170 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm.orig: Remove patch temporary file. | 19:38 |
Mordicaal | perlDreamer: I think I got it, thanks. | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | it worse comes to worse, you can change the code in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm in 7.5 | 19:58 |
Mordicaal | Haha, im perl-tarded. Where can I make that edit? | 20:31 |
Mordicaal | ah, yeah... i dont have access to the modules :P | 20:38 |
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+perlDreamer | Mordicaal, I gotta scoot, but I can help you track it down when I come back from the gym | 20:43 |
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@tavisto | hmmm | 21:28 |
@tavisto | if someone adds something to the /import folder while in the asset manager (say an article or snippet), why does it return them to the Failsafe template instead of back to the asset manager | 21:29 |
@Haarg | sounds like a bug | 21:31 |
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@tavisto | well I'm not sure though | 21:37 |
@tavisto | if someone adds a piece of content from the asset manager, is it supposed to take them back to the asset manager or display the content in inline editing view? | 21:37 |
@Haarg | it should take them back to the asset manager i would say | 21:39 |
@tavisto | something else I found strange was that it would only do it if I had the /import folder's template set to failsafe. If it was set to style3, then it would instantly just take me back to the home page inline editing view | 21:39 |
@tavisto | alright, I think that's what I would expect as well. Since they are in one interface, they should return to that same interface after they add content to it | 21:40 |
@tavisto | thanks haarg | 21:40 |
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+perlDreamer | oy | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | 6 hours in the Dashboard | 22:38 |
+perlDreamer | my head is spinning | 22:38 |
@preaction | it's not so bad, there's not much to it really | 22:39 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, it is very simple on the surface, but debugging the overrides caching bug was not fun. | 22:58 |
@preaction | yeah, i don't like how shortcuts work with dashboard. i don't like how shortcuts work with metadata either | 23:00 |
+perlDreamer | what do you want to change? | 23:00 |
@preaction | shortcuts + metadata should be a new asset (something far easier to set up. perhaps link a metadata to a profile field with a simple checkbox) | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | and how 'bout the dashboard, or is it one and the same? | 23:03 |
@preaction | shortcuts + dashboard = new asset type, dashlets. they work like normal assets, but inside dashboard they have ways for users to customize certain parts for their own uses | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | but wasn't the point of shortcut dashlets that you could use existing assets? | 23:04 |
+perlDreamer | rather than building all new ones? | 23:04 |
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@preaction | right, but thats proving to be a nightmare. the only way to customize a dashlet currently for you is for the admin to use the ##userPref## thing (something I never knew until there was a bug earlier this year) | 23:06 |
@preaction | and then for you to update your profile. | 23:06 |
@preaction | instead of a nice form that pops up | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | it has a nice form that pops up for you to update your profile. | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | it's the little green edit button | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | and while ##userPref:something## is ugly, it lets you embed the profile field data setup for this dashlet in existing content. | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it needs a special macro or something instead | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11171 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: 6 bugs fixed in Shortcut. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added missing POD and i18n'ed some error messages. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Set the UI level on a tab to work with the form elements it contains. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Change the title bar ajax edit form so that people can't accidently change Visitor's profile. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Remove overrides caching if admin mode is on. | 23:08 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Have caching consider the user's last updated time to check if profile settings are updated, too. | 23:08 |
@preaction | well consider this: if we have dashlets, we can shortcut the dashlet to put on the home page. So the user can see their weather before they get to the dashboard ;) | 23:09 |
@preaction | their weather, because the dashlet reads from their configuration | 23:09 |
@preaction | the ##userPref## i think only works when the shortcut is below a dashboard | 23:09 |
* SynQ has been reading this: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/advanced-unix-installation.php | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | that is true, because Shortcuts do dual duty | 23:13 |
@preaction | triple duty. and two of them are hacky :p | 23:13 |
SynQ | which states this: If the argument --with-perl=/path/to/perl is supplied, /../path/to/perl is be taken as the PERL interpreter to use. This important in case the perl executable in your PATH is not PERL5, or is not the PERL you want to use. | 23:13 |
SynQ | so the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl | 23:14 |
SynQ | which I'm testing now on lenny | 23:14 |
@preaction | sounds right, SynQ | 23:14 |
SynQ | and if that works I'm satisfied | 23:14 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction, as long as we don't have to reinvent the SC asset, the stock asset, the weather asset, the article, and all the others as dashlets, I'll be happy | 23:21 |
@preaction | i figure that all assets can go into the dashboard, just dashlets will have the extra stuff | 23:22 |
@preaction | or "dashlet" could be an aspect | 23:22 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: have you answered my question on if I should care about karma yet? | 23:22 |
@preaction | that creates the page/definition for the user-editable properties | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ. If karma is important to you, then you should care about it. | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | I only care about it in that it gives me the ability to reward others for good works | 23:22 |
SynQ | karma (those coupons you get on plainblack) don't matter to me | 23:23 |
SynQ | but real people do | 23:23 |
SynQ | hmm | 23:23 |
SynQ | hang on... | 23:23 |
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SynQ | Mech422: the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl | 23:27 |
SynQ | in build.sh | 23:27 |
SynQ | I'm testing that right now | 23:27 |
SynQ | if --with-perl it takes the perl compiler from $PATH | 23:28 |
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Mech422 | 27s lag ? wow... | 23:28 |
Mech422 | yeah - I have that | 23:29 |
Mech422 | yes, thats in the patches ... | 23:29 |
Mech422 | I think its a good idea in general - we should always be explicit about what to use, if we know it | 23:30 |
Mech422 | but that didn't fix it for me - I still needed -L/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/ARCH/CORE (or something like that) needed to LD flag | 23:31 |
SynQ | that is wierd | 23:31 |
Mech422 | actually - the big messages libtool sticks in the build logs say "your installing to a non-standard location" - and list a couple of ways you can actually use the libs | 23:32 |
Mech422 | libtools seems to think its normal - its one of the 'approved' ways of using the libs it lists ? | 23:32 |
Mech422 | its says to add the _FULL_ path to the lib using -L | 23:33 |
Mech422 | Did your build last night pass the self-tests ? | 23:33 |
Mech422 | you saw the errors I got right ? Was yours the same ? | 23:33 |
SynQ | I'm building right now | 23:34 |
SynQ | I just want to have a working 0.9.3 for lenny asap | 23:35 |
Mech422 | yeah - my lenny build 'just worked' yesterday | 23:36 |
Mech422 | so I ran some tests | 23:36 |
Mech422 | I ended up with about half a dozen test failures | 23:36 |
Mech422 | Auth/mech.t just plain aborted | 23:36 |
Mech422 | btw - going back to teh explicit thing - it might be good to use -with-ssl=/data/wre.... --with-jpeg=/data/wre... etc etc | 23:37 |
Mech422 | so we _know_ what libs are being used | 23:38 |
SynQ | indeed | 23:38 |
SynQ | but use $WRE_ROOT in build.sh | 23:39 |
Mech422 | yeah - we should dress it up and make it play nice... | 23:39 |
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Mech422 | oh - and we can grep the perl $ARCH/CORE lib from the Perl MakeFile | 23:39 |
Mech422 | its ugly as sin to have the IM build function refer back to the Perl build, but it would work | 23:40 |
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Mech422 | the key is 'shrpdir' and its value is set to the $ARCH/CORE dir... | 23:42 |
Mech422 | steve@webgui1:/data/wrebuild/source/perl-5.10.0$ grep shrpdir Makefile | 23:42 |
Mech422 | shrpdir = /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE | 23:42 |
Mech422 | pipe that thru a 'cut' to grab the rhs of the assignment and we should be good | 23:43 |
SynQ | ah | 23:44 |
SynQ | those last 5 lines are worth a dev mailinglist post | 23:44 |
Mech422 | (since we're assuming build shell is bash, we could prolly use those nifty new bash substition features) | 23:44 |
SynQ | then it will go by timothy of united knowledge | 23:44 |
SynQ | who is never on irc | 23:44 |
SynQ | but does know some things | 23:44 |
SynQ | and I'd like to keep him involved | 23:45 |
Mech422 | I'm just really puzzled why it's suddenly working for everyone... | 23:45 |
SynQ | well | 23:45 |
Mech422 | I didn't change anything - didn't refresh git or make any local changes | 23:45 |
SynQ | it wasn't for me | 23:45 |
SynQ | the 0.9.3-source still didn't work | 23:46 |
Mech422 | 9.3 from git didnt work for me tues night | 23:46 |
Mech422 | then yesterday when you did the Etch builds, I re-built just for the hell of it | 23:46 |
Mech422 | and it worked - no idea why | 23:46 |
Mech422 | fired it up, created a test site, ran the self tests - even passed the poll.t test about IM and creating png's | 23:47 |
Mech422 | SynQ: anyway - give me a shout when your build/test is done, and we can compare test output... | 23:50 |
Mech422 | SynQ: I'd be interested to see if we get the same results | 23:50 |
* Mech422 wanders off for coffee | 23:50 |
SynQ | ah | 23:51 |
SynQ | I don't save log results right now | 23:52 |
SynQ | but if it works I will | 23:52 |
SynQ | and send it somewhere | 23:52 |
Mech422 | yeah - I just run/some/test >& junk.log | 23:53 |
Mech422 | its not perfect - but good enough for quick and dirty | 23:53 |
Mech422 | PerlDreamer gave me a command for running 'prove' that I use to run a 'full' test run | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | he did | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf prove -r --verbose t/ > test.log 2>&1 & | 23:54 |
Mech422 | perlDreamer: yeah - He's awful helpful that way.. makes teh rest of us look bad :-P | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | who's the guy building WRE 27 some odd times? | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | I just hang out in IRC and spout pithy command lines | 23:55 |
Mech422 | ohh! I _knew_ it !! perlDreamer is really an IRC bot !! | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | **>& invoke Mech422 cover routine | 23:55 |
Mech422 | almost passes the turing test! | 23:55 |
Mech422 | speaking of bots - anyone seen the new terminator flick ? | 23:59 |
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SynQ | :) | 00:04 |
SynQ | Mech422: are you coming to the WUC, or did I ask allready/ | 00:04 |
Mech422 | SynQ: I have no idea - I don't even know what I'm doing tommorrow :-) | 00:05 |
SynQ | Mech422: it failed again, I say we go with your suggestion | 00:05 |
SynQ | and parse the lib path from the perl source dir | 00:05 |
SynQ | :) | 00:05 |
Mech422 | SynQ: hang on - I get you the IM configure line I used | 00:05 |
Mech422 | oh - I cheated and hard coded for testing :-P | 00:06 |
SynQ | indeed | 00:06 |
SynQ | I have a clue on why it worked 'just like that' for you | 00:06 |
SynQ | did you by any chance run . setenvironment.sh somewhere in /data/wre/sbin before running the ./build again? | 00:07 |
SynQ | since that would add the WRE perl to your path before the system perl | 00:07 |
SynQ | wich could also be the 'something special' JT uses on his boxes | 00:07 |
Mech422 | yes - but I always do that | 00:07 |
Mech422 | and I rm -rf /data/wre before build | 00:07 |
SynQ | hmm | 00:07 |
Mech422 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5de70c5c | 00:08 |
Mech422 | thatss the configure line for IM I use - please forgive crappy formatting | 00:08 |
@preaction | heh, what if JT doesn't remove /data/wre before build? | 00:08 |
SynQ | that is cheating indeed | 00:09 |
Mech422 | preaction: Hmm - I'm not sure what that would do... | 00:09 |
SynQ | preaction: that wouldn't create a working WRE at all | 00:09 |
Mech422 | preaction: at the very least - he'd be using the wre perl binary instead of the sys. perl | 00:09 |
SynQ | i guess | 00:09 |
Mech422 | which might 'fix' a few things | 00:09 |
Mech422 | Synq: you don't think so ? | 00:10 |
SynQ | I am now running ./build.sh --imagemagick for the second time | 00:10 |
SynQ | without removing /data/wre | 00:10 |
SynQ | perhaps it works then | 00:10 |
SynQ | but I should actually go to bed | 00:10 |
SynQ | I'll go brush my teeth and come back to check if it worked :) | 00:11 |
SynQ | brb | 00:11 |
Mech422 | SynQ: oh yeah - its late for you .... | 00:11 |
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SynQ | ok | 00:16 |
SynQ | it failed | 00:16 |
Mech422 | dam | 00:17 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: when you added the "sendInboxNotificationsOnly" setting, where did you put the test? t/Account/Inbox.t doesn't exist | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | that was a manual test | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | since we don't have a lot of UI level tests yet | 00:22 |
@preaction | oh, kay. i'll make an auto-test jobber | 00:22 |
@preaction | yeah, i think that's a problem really ;) | 00:22 |
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+perlDreamer | I know, I'm a slacker because I haven't written any UI tests | 00:31 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11172 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Allow any Asset to use the proceed=goBackToPage;returnUrl=url url parameter coda. | 00:38 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11173 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fix a syntax warning in Survey.pm | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | down to 59 bugs | 00:58 |
Mech422 | blah..gotta run | 01:03 |
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@preaction | another annoyance from google: 12:00:00am is not the END of a day, it's the BEGINNING of a day... | 01:14 |
@preaction | 11:59:59 or 11:59:60 is the end of the day | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | that's not the way their ICAL feeds work | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | 12:00:00am is the end of the day | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | which in our system makes an event span 2 days | 01:16 |
@preaction | that's wrong, according to the ISO | 01:16 |
+perlDreamer | well, you convince Google of that, and I'll close the bug ;) | 01:16 |
@preaction | i'm just saying it's wrong. we'll end up writing a workaround in our code, like every smaller vendor does when trying to interact with a larger vendor | 01:17 |
@preaction | MS, Apple, and now Google | 01:17 |
@preaction | Sun, Oracle, IBM | 01:17 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: what do they send for DTSTART and DTEND? do they actually send the time? | 01:19 |
* perlDreamer doesn't remember | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | but I looked at it when SDuensin first reported the bug | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | and remember the end time thing | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | and thinking "we're screwed" | 01:20 |
@preaction | our parser for iCalendar feeds sucks, so it could be our fault | 01:20 |
@preaction | http://www.innerjoin.org/iCalendar/all-day-events.html <- looks like it might be our fault | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | so what does it take to replace our parser with an ISO compliant one? | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | (aside from writing several tests) | 01:23 |
@preaction | enough that neither I nor Graham have done so yet | 01:23 |
@preaction | but graham kept mentioning to me that he was working on it | 01:23 |
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@preaction | oh hell: The "DTEND" property for a "VEVENT" | 01:24 |
@preaction | calendar component specifies the non-inclusive end of the event. | 01:24 |
@preaction | non-inclusive | 01:24 |
@preaction | we're wrong | 01:24 |
@preaction | our endDate and endTime is inclusive | 01:24 |
@preaction | and imho our Calendar should do everything the iCalendar way | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like a bug to me | 01:40 |
@preaction | is there a way to quickly grab an HTML element that contains certain nodeType / attributes? | 01:41 |
@preaction | do we use anything in our test modules yet? | 01:41 |
@preaction | HTML::TreeBuilder or something? | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | Tag::Parser | 01:42 |
@preaction | looks like we don't use that yet, but we have TreeBuilder somehow (it's not in our prereqs) | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | HTML::TokeParser | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | that's what it is | 01:44 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11175 /releases/WebGUI_7.7.9-beta: Release 7.7.9-beta | 02:22 |
@preaction | should I use emailToLog to test e-mail sending under normal circumstances? or should I use what t/Mail/Send.t uses? | 02:30 |
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+perlDreamer | I would use t/Mail/Send.t | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | and, I'd refactor out that sub into a WebGUI::Test module, so it doesn't get copy/pasted everywhere | 02:33 |
+patspam | morning perlDreamer :) | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | hey, patspam! | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | isn't it about 11:00am down there? | 02:33 |
+patspam | 9:30am | 02:33 |
@preaction | so two subs: prepareMailServer and sendMail | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | yawp | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | dang it | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | I may lose power soon | 02:33 |
@preaction | powah/ | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | thunderstorms in the area are destabilizing the grid | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | phew | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | release done | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, I thought I was 18 hours behind you. Maybe daylight savings differences? | 02:35 |
+perlDreamer | and how did the trip go last weekend? | 02:35 |
@preaction | here's why i like git's way of adding files to commit: I can easily make all my changes into multiple commits. one to refactor the mail server thing, one to add the feature i want | 02:36 |
+patspam | yeah we shifted with daylight savings a while back | 02:36 |
+patspam | cycling trip was awesome, the snow stayed away so I wasn't too cold in my multiple layers of lycra :) | 02:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11176 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.10 development | 02:38 |
* perlDreamer is feeling the need for a fun project | 02:38 |
+patspam | http://search.cpan.org/~pdonelan/Padre-Plugin-WebGUI-0.01_01/lib/Padre/Plugin/WebGUI.pm | 02:39 |
@preaction | what would you consider fun? | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | Karma History browser | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | refactoring large amounts of the tests | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | writing new tests | 02:39 |
+perlDreamer | I'm thinking the Karma History browser is an evening project, as an Account plugin | 02:40 |
+perlDreamer | or, making the trainsinoregon website for the kids | 02:40 |
@preaction | i need two different subs. I shouldn't have to send the mail myself, I should just be able to read mail | 02:40 |
@preaction | ooh, i say trainsinoregon! | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | good call, preaction | 02:41 |
+perlDreamer | 59 open bugs | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | if people would respond to emails, we could close 5 of them in 5 minutes | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | dinner break, bbl | 02:56 |
+perlDreamer | nice release, patspam! | 04:04 |
@preaction | anyone else think that mail should have a timestamp it was added to mailQueue, and then sent in order added at least? | 04:08 |
+perlDreamer | if no order is set, is the order random, or is it by insertion order? | 04:09 |
@preaction | currently there is no order, so it's whatever mysql returns it in (usually primary key order) | 04:10 |
+perlDreamer | it's fine with me | 04:27 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: what do you think... http://www.trainsinoregon.com/home | 04:47 |
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@preaction | nice | 05:05 |
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+perlDreamer | you're very kind | 05:24 |
daviddelikat | theres nothing like doubling the RAM in your computer to make the world seem like a better place | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah | 05:31 |
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+perlDreamer | bbl | 05:38 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11177 /WebGUI/t/ (Mail/Send.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): refactor Mail/Send test to make test smtp server useful | 05:52 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11178 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Added getMailFromQueue so we can loop over mail that got queued | 05:52 |
+perlDreamer | right on, preaction! | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | I think the asset manager pagination would do a lot better with 50, instead of 100 | 06:20 |
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+bartjol | afternoon hansw | 13:41 |
hansw | Hi bart, goeden middag :-) | 13:42 |
+bartjol | I suppose I know you :) | 13:42 |
hansw | Bart, Piramide here | 13:43 |
+bartjol | I figured that | 13:43 |
+bartjol | preaction: do you also do stuff with the i18n site? | 13:43 |
+bartjol | plainhao: do you? | 13:45 |
@plainhao | bartjol: the i18n site? not really | 14:29 |
+bartjol | too bad | 14:30 |
+bartjol | it seems it has a bug | 14:30 |
+bartjol | but my i18n script doesn't listen to me | 14:30 |
+bartjol | should I ask Haarg then? | 14:30 |
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ckotil | the vmware appliance works pretty well. I stood it up on one of my machines at home that is already running apache+mysql for some other stuff. then i used mod_proxy on my apache instance to reach the vm WRE | 15:15 |
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+perlDreamer | bartjol, I don't understand the i18n server bug. | 17:39 |
+perlDreamer | can you tell me more about it? | 17:39 |
+bartjol | well | 17:39 |
+bartjol | I can | 17:39 |
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+bartjol | go to the i18n site, choose dutch | 17:40 |
+bartjol | go to the account_inbox namespace | 17:40 |
+bartjol | edit the outofdate message | 17:40 |
+bartjol | and try to save it | 17:40 |
+perlDreamer | out of date = yellow? | 17:40 |
+bartjol | yup | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | the data saves, but the date does not appear to be updated | 17:41 |
+bartjol | it should turn green upon saving | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | gotcha | 17:41 |
+perlDreamer | that, I can fix :) | 17:41 |
+bartjol | I can't see on the server what happens | 17:42 |
+bartjol | cool | 17:42 |
+bartjol | is it the cgi script | 17:42 |
+bartjol | ? | 17:42 |
+perlDreamer | for sure | 17:42 |
+bartjol | strange is that I tried to set the lastUpdated in my server to epoch time "2" | 17:43 |
+bartjol | and it didn't recognize that was a few years ago | 17:43 |
+perlDreamer | what happens if you do a commit? | 17:44 |
+bartjol | on i18n.webgui.org? | 17:45 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 17:45 |
+bartjol | nothing | 17:46 |
+bartjol | why did you change the text | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | to see if it would save | 17:47 |
+bartjol | ah | 17:47 |
+perlDreamer | I would have typed something Dutch, but I don't know any | 17:48 |
+bartjol | Hoi, hoe gaat het? | 17:50 |
+perlDreamer | I should have put Markeer als gelezen ? | 17:52 |
+bartjol | well, if you can't see the diff | 17:52 |
+bartjol | that would be useless | 17:52 |
+perlDreamer | it's running exactly the same translation server cgi as is in git | 17:53 |
+bartjol | ok, do you have an url | 17:53 |
+perlDreamer | for what? | 17:53 |
+bartjol | that git repo | 17:53 |
+bartjol | I can compare it to my version | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | it's the WebGUI tools repo | 17:54 |
+bartjol | ok | 17:54 |
+bartjol | git.webgui.org? | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | no, working on that url for you | 17:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: jt * r11179 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Group.pm): - Made a change to LDAP auth that adds an OR to that query so that it also searches for a row with fieldData REGEXP '^uid=(value-from-ldap-directory-server),'. | 17:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11180 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Update from translation server | 17:54 |
+perlDreamer | git://github.com/plainblack/tools.git | 17:55 |
+perlDreamer | odd | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | the code looks fine | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | better try to fire it up | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | the good news is that all the data is being saved | 18:01 |
+bartjol | yes | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | lastUpdated time stamp is updating | 18:01 |
+perlDreamer | so it's just some logic bug somewhere | 18:02 |
+bartjol | well, I do have a different version | 18:02 |
+bartjol | well, or the date is wrong or the assigned class | 18:02 |
+perlDreamer | the date is being saved correctly | 18:02 |
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+bartjol | well | 18:02 |
+bartjol | www_display something | 18:03 |
+bartjol | :wq | 18:04 |
+bartjol | www_displayMenu | 18:04 |
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+bartjol | it counts as $ood | 18:07 |
+bartjol | obviosly | 18:08 |
+perlDreamer | very odd | 18:11 |
+perlDreamer | on my local version, it's working fine | 18:12 |
+bartjol | mine too | 18:12 |
+bartjol | although it is slightly different | 18:12 |
+bartjol | but nut that method | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | I'm running exactly the same code | 18:12 |
+perlDreamer | I ran a checksum to double check | 18:12 |
@preaction | svn problem maybe? | 18:12 |
+bartjol | might be | 18:12 |
+bartjol | but | 18:12 |
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+perlDreamer | but it's the same copy as in git | 18:13 |
+perlDreamer | on i18n.webgui.org, and my local machine | 18:13 |
+bartjol | that should not be before you try to commit | 18:13 |
+bartjol | or am I wrong | 18:13 |
+bartjol | ? | 18:13 |
pvanthony | need help with wremonitor. | 18:14 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:14 |
+bartjol | what's up with that | 18:14 |
+bartjol | ? | 18:14 |
pvanthony | everytime wremonitor starts modproxy and modperl dies | 18:14 |
+bartjol | mmm | 18:14 |
pvanthony | where should I check? | 18:15 |
+perlDreamer | apache error logs | 18:15 |
pvanthony | modperl.error.log? | 18:15 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 18:16 |
+bartjol | that or modproxy.error.log | 18:16 |
SquOnk | Updated 7.6.25 Debian packages available from my repository. | 18:16 |
pvanthony | ok will do. | 18:16 |
SquOnk | And I believe I've found a bug. | 18:16 |
+bartjol | cool | 18:16 |
+bartjol | less cool | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 18:16 |
+perlDreamer | bugs in WebGUI? | 18:16 |
SquOnk | My 7.6.24 did not work out of the box. Turns out I needed to install Clone | 18:16 |
SquOnk | (libclone-perl in Debian, that is) | 18:16 |
+bartjol | you shopuld test everythjing properly | 18:17 |
SquOnk | Grepping revealed that | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey/SurveyJSON.pm | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm | 18:17 |
+bartjol | like I don't make tupo[s | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Session/Stow.pm | 18:17 |
SquOnk | lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm | 18:17 |
SquOnk | ...are using Clone | 18:17 |
SquOnk | Yet testEnvironment does not check for it. | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | but nothing about it in the Gotcha file | 18:17 |
SquOnk | Clone is not core, therefore it should be mentioned as a dependency. | 18:18 |
SquOnk | There's nothing in gotcha.txt about that change. | 18:18 |
SquOnk | ...nor in the changelog | 18:19 |
+bartjol | no mention to me when I did that upgrade, | 18:19 |
+bartjol | probably different debian versi0on | 18:19 |
+bartjol | s | 18:19 |
SquOnk | bartjol: Or you had libclone-perl for _other_ packages. | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | or you've installed it by hand, bartjol | 18:19 |
+perlDreamer | or some other module required it | 18:19 |
SquOnk | One thing I do is test the package on a "freshly installed" system that has close to nothing on it. | 18:19 |
+bartjol | a lot of options | 18:20 |
SquOnk | The package has to install cleanly and it did. Then has to work cleanly, and it didn't. | 18:20 |
SquOnk | So I found Apache was not starting because the mod_perl startup script was barfing at not finding Clone. | 18:20 |
pvanthony | wremonitor: found this error in wremonitor | 18:20 |
pvanthony | Killed 6 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory. | 18:21 |
SquOnk | So I promptly added my libclone-perl dependency and checked whether or not I missed such new dependency. | 18:21 |
SquOnk | So the 7.6.25 package works out of the box again. | 18:21 |
pvanthony | what should the memory setting be mod_perl in wre.conf? | 18:22 |
@preaction | pvanthony: i would say at least 120000000 | 18:23 |
pvanthony | thank you. Will try it out. | 18:23 |
@preaction | perlbot math 120 * 1024^2 | 18:23 |
perlbot | 125829120 | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | that server was rebooted yesterday for the upgrade | 18:23 |
@preaction | rather, that. 120MB | 18:23 |
pvanthony | please explain what perlbot means | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, please file it as a bug, and it'll be included in the next releaes | 18:24 |
pvanthony | is it pre site | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | I'll find the guy that did that and hang him up by his svn bits | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | pvanthony, it's per apache child | 18:24 |
pvanthony | thanks | 18:25 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, I'm going to tinker with the Dutch translation for a sec | 18:27 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll put it back the way I found it | 18:27 |
+bartjol | ok | 18:27 |
+bartjol | great! | 18:28 |
+bartjol | i'LL KEEP CLEAR | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | now there's a real problem | 18:28 |
+bartjol | my caps lock? | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, try to edit an out of date label in Redneck and watch what happens | 18:28 |
+perlDreamer | I just did, and it works fine | 18:29 |
+bartjol | mmm | 18:29 |
+bartjol | strange | 18:29 |
+bartjol | I get the same | 18:29 |
+bartjol | dutch is still the same | 18:30 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, do you mean that it changed color, or that it didn't change color? | 18:31 |
+bartjol | it didn't change color: ie it is not good | 18:31 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Done | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, SquOnk | 18:33 |
+perlDreamer | bartjol, try Redneck->WebGUI->trash for me, please? | 18:33 |
+bartjol | works | 18:34 |
+bartjol | like it is good | 18:34 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:34 |
+bartjol | strang | 18:34 |
+bartjol | e | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | what did you do to the Dutch translation, bartjol? | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | hm? | 18:35 |
+bartjol | I think rory did something | 18:35 |
+bartjol | I didn't do that much lately | 18:35 |
+bartjol | don't hurt me! I'm innocent! | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | rory's not even here to threaten | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | or tease :) | 18:36 |
+bartjol | no he fled | 18:36 |
+bartjol | he is scared of me... | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | we're all scared of you bart | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | you're big | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | kind of like snakes, with badgers and mushrooms | 18:37 |
+bartjol | not as big as the big man | 18:37 |
+bartjol | and he trusts Sarah in our hands | 18:37 |
pvanthony | wremonitor: had to set the size to 314572800 | 18:39 |
pvanthony | does that look right | 18:40 |
pvanthony | 300mb | 18:40 |
pvanthony | would apache take that much. | 18:40 |
pvanthony | also noticed that once wremonitor stops modperl it cannot start it up again. | 18:40 |
pvanthony | modproxy also cannot be started up by wremonitor. | 18:41 |
pvanthony | did I get some config wrong? | 18:41 |
+bartjol | have a nice weekend, we're gonna drink with sarah | 18:44 |
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pvanthony | any comments about the the setting in wre.conf for modperl? | 18:53 |
pvanthony | is 300mb seem correct? | 18:53 |
@preaction | pvanthony: that means the wremonitor will not kill a modperl process until it's 300m or bigger | 18:54 |
pvanthony | ok. | 18:54 |
@preaction | which it should never reach, since Apache2::SizeLimit kicks in before that | 18:54 |
@preaction | see wre/etc/modperl.pl for that value | 18:54 |
pvanthony | great | 18:54 |
pvanthony | should wremonitor be able to restart a stopped service? | 18:54 |
pvanthony | or that is not the job of wremonitor. | 18:55 |
pvanthony | just asking | 18:55 |
@preaction | yes, it should, but usually if something is wrong it can't | 18:56 |
pvanthony | ok. thanks. Will check my configs again. | 18:57 |
@preaction | question: Should the Thread class's "getNextThread" and "getPreviousThread" take sticky threads into account? | 19:10 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11181 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): | 19:11 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Document that Clone 0.31 is now required. This was missed in the | 19:11 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: 7.6.24 release. | 19:11 |
@preaction | IOW: if I hit the first Sticky thread, should the "next" thread be the second sticky thread? | 19:11 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11182 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: Fix typos in the lastUpdated for newly added Account_Inbox labels. | 19:26 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11183 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document fix for strange i18n server behavior. | 19:26 |
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pvanthony | thanks to everyone. Have a great weekend. bye | 19:42 |
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@preaction | alright, different question: Should getNextThread / getPreviousThread act like the getThreadsPaginator of the Collab? | 20:04 |
@preaction | right now there's more than one difference between the two... | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | I think they should | 20:09 |
@preaction | what about the sticky thing? i can see both sides (yes and no) | 20:09 |
@preaction | oh god damn it, there's ANOTHER way to get posts... | 20:12 |
@preaction | i'm up to 5 now | 20:12 |
@preaction | yeah, i think this adventure is getting a blog post... | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | He's off to see the wizard... | 20:24 |
@preaction | 2 of them check version tags, 2 of them use "rating" instead of "threadRating", two of them use existing methods, two of them process input (in an API method... bad!) | 20:24 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11184 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added test for adjacent threads | 20:40 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11185 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: fixed problem in test using <=> instead of cmp | 20:40 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11186 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added tests for getAdjacentThread | 20:40 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11187 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: fixed issue with getSortOrder and rating | 20:40 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: doug * r11188 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added changelog entry | 20:40 |
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dionak | hi all. i'm trying out the version tag approval workflow on 7.6. We just completed an upgrade and I have a site that has the 'commit with approval' workflow set in settings for the default version tag workflow. | 20:52 |
dionak | how does one approve the changes? is it email only? | 20:53 |
@preaction | the site sends an inbox message, which may or may not get sent to your e-mail | 20:53 |
dionak | may or may not? | 20:53 |
@preaction | if you don't have an e-mail address, it can't send an e-mail | 20:53 |
dionak | oh. does it send to all Admins? | 20:54 |
@preaction | it sends to the Group To Approve in the workflow activity "Get Approval From ..." properties | 20:54 |
@preaction | by default, Content Managers | 20:54 |
dionak | ok, i also just noticed messages in my inbox on the site | 20:54 |
dionak | nice | 20:54 |
@preaction | check out my presentation from last year's WUC about "Advanced Workflow" | 20:54 |
dionak | k | 20:54 |
@preaction | it goes through all the fun ways you can send approval notices | 20:55 |
dionak | oh nice! that's exactly what i need | 20:55 |
dionak | thanks preaction | 20:55 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11189 /translations/Italian/Italian/ (21 files): Update from translation server | 20:56 |
@preaction | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/building-advanced-workflows#1ncAXk__Z8aGTh1yH_EvEQ <- this one | 20:56 |
dionak | the next thing my client is going to ask is how to easily preview the changes | 20:56 |
dionak | does the tag activate when i click through to the version tag link? looks like it should | 20:57 |
@preaction | it doesn't activate, but the "view" link lets you see the asset as it will be when you approve it | 20:58 |
@preaction | being able to join the tag as you approve it would be a nice feature, but the problem is that sometimes non-Turn Admin On are approving | 20:58 |
@preaction | (so they'd never be able to leave the tag, because they can't turn admin on) | 20:58 |
dionak | oh | 20:58 |
dionak | gotcha | 20:58 |
dionak | it looks like if I don't get the email, I can't deny/approve. is this your understanding as well? | 21:01 |
@preaction | if you don't get the inbox message, no, there's no way to get the link (unless you typed it in manually) | 21:04 |
@preaction | there's currently no place to get a list of all the tags awaiting your approval (which I hope to change) | 21:04 |
dionak | I think that is an important ability | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | sounds like an account plugin | 21:05 |
@preaction | it should be pretty easy, just get the workflowId from the assetVersionTag table, then instanciate the workflow, get the currentActivityId, instanciate that activity, and check user->isInGroup( $instance->groupToApprove ) | 21:05 |
@preaction | okay, so if these fixes in the collab system (major refactor) aren't going in until WebGUI 8, that means I can just do it and merge later | 21:41 |
* perlDreamer goes running | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | the fun run is next Saturday, so I need to get in some more miles | 21:52 |
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oversillo | hi, sorry for my bad english, can i setup webgui to host multi sites ? | 22:09 |
@preaction | oversillo: yes. all you need to do is make more config files in /data/WebGUI/etc | 22:10 |
@preaction | if you're using the WRE, you can just "addsite.pl --sitename=<newsite>" | 22:10 |
oversillo | preaction, ohh.. thanks | 22:10 |
oversillo | webgui is very cool | 22:11 |
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@tavisto | webgui roxxorz | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | it's because of the superior marketing effort | 00:27 |
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hansw | preaction, does it just add an server alias and restart apache? | 00:37 |
hansw | that would be cool | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | addsite.pl just builds configuration files for the WRE | 00:38 |
hansw | but the database should be domain aware for that | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | you have to restart modperl and modproxy and spectre after that | 00:38 |
hansw | they are restarted when you restart apache afaik, so that is only one restart | 00:39 |
hansw | maybe spectre requires some other restart? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | in the WRE, there is one apache for running webgui | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | another apache for running mod_proxy | 00:39 |
hansw | hmmm, why? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | memory usage, and speed | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | the apache running mod_proxy is really stripped down | 00:40 |
hansw | ah, ok | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | it serves up static content, and dispatches to the mod_perl apache that WebGUI runs under | 00:40 |
hansw | is caching also configured in the mod_proxy instance? | 00:40 |
hansw | in that case it could be used to load balance more or less | 00:41 |
hansw | on seperated servers | 00:41 |
hansw | images and documents on server x, database on server y, proxy on z | 00:42 |
@preaction | well really you could put the images on z as well | 00:42 |
hansw | x and y could be alterred | 00:42 |
@preaction | i've got a blog post on the spike about how the WRE has changed over the years: unless your image is protected from Everyone (only Registered Users or something), mod_proxy serves it up | 00:43 |
hansw | preaction, true, but some very busy sites might benefit from it | 00:43 |
@preaction | the performance benefit is from not using mod_perl. mod_perl is huge and slow (compared to the mod_proxy instance) | 00:43 |
@preaction | so basically our goal is to keep as much as possible away from mod_perl | 00:43 |
hansw | true, had some problems this week | 00:43 |
hansw | but not comparable to a current webgui | 00:44 |
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+perlDreamer | bug fixed, tavisto | 02:42 |
@tavisto | nice | 02:44 |
@tavisto | that didn't take long brotha | 02:44 |
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+perlDreamer | I always take care of the homies, tavisto | 02:48 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11190 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): If adding content from the asset manager, return user to the asset manager. | 02:51 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11191 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): Backporting asset manager usability fix for adding content. | 02:51 |
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SynQ2 | morning | 12:48 |
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elnino | wow - hardly anyone is here.. everyone on vacation? | 03:46 |
elnino | anyone know how to display the actual file size on the folder asset when the file is greater than one Meg? | 03:47 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11192 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: Fix some POD. Backups go in /tmp, not /var | 05:42 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11193 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make account inbox template layout symmetrical on both top and bottom bars. | 06:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11194 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting account inbox templating change. | 06:38 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11195 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Account_Inbox.pm Asset.pm): Update from translation server | 11:38 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11196 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server | 11:53 |
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+perlmonkey2 | . | 07:25 |
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carogray | hello - good morning good day | 13:55 |
carogray | just go this error message - the first error message received after spending 3 days on and off trying to dump some html into and html window for the rich text editor: | 13:56 |
carogray | Request-URI Too Large The requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server. | 13:56 |
carogray | what does this mean? | 13:56 |
+bartjol | well, an URI has a maximum length | 13:58 |
+bartjol | and I heard someone mentyion that some HTML was put into the URL | 13:59 |
+bartjol | which caused the error | 13:59 |
+bartjol | assuming it is the same error | 13:59 |
+bartjol | unfortunately I don't remember the solution or the person that had the problem | 14:00 |
carogray | whats the diff between URI and URL? | 14:02 |
+bartjol | I think it is explained here: | 14:03 |
+bartjol | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URI | 14:03 |
carogray | ok thanks bartjol...will go check it out and then maybe I will understand what putting HTML into URL means....hmm. will check it out thanks for the direction. | 14:04 |
+bartjol | well, it won't solve the bug, but at least you know wha'ts happening | 14:05 |
carogray | right at least I can look at what is going on and see if I can fix it in some way that it will work for now... | 14:07 |
carogray | this is v. helpful thanks. | 14:07 |
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+perlDreamer | morning, folks | 17:48 |
@Haarg | morning | 17:50 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11198 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting shortcut fixes for dashboard. | 18:27 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, re: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10189 | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | yes? | 18:43 |
@Haarg | the only thing you were able to find was the issue with how it was configured? | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | yes, and the bug resurfaced even after fixing the configuration issue | 18:43 |
+perlDreamer | so it's still out there | 18:43 |
@Haarg | i wish i understood POE better | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | me, too. I'm sure we will after this bug is found and fixed | 18:45 |
@Haarg | too much stuff going on behind the scenes with spectre to debug easily | 18:45 |
+perlDreamer | Do you have an opinion on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9959 | 18:45 |
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@preaction | perlDreamer: i do, if you use $session->privilege->noAccess instead of $session->privilege->insufficient, logging in will take you to where you wanted to go | 18:56 |
@preaction | so the solution could be to use noAccess everywhere instead of insufficient | 18:57 |
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+perlDreamer | preaction: I'm not sure that was the point. | 18:59 |
Magnetic | hey all, I am looking over the webgui docs, and I can't seem to find a cheat sheet for the <tmpl_></tmpl_> markup. Does anyone know of a resource? | 18:59 |
@preaction | Magnetic: google for "HTML::Template" | 18:59 |
+perlDreamer | he wants to pass URL parameters through after successfully logging in | 18:59 |
@Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~samtregar/HTML-Template-2.9/Template.pm | 18:59 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: yes, and i'm saying WebGUI does that if you use noAccess | 19:00 |
@preaction | i had this same problem, and that's how i fixed it (after JT set me straight after going on a week-long wild goose chase of code) | 19:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | preaction: do you just remember that stuff or do you keep a wiki? | 19:01 |
@preaction | i just remember | 19:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | Always seems like I'll find something like that then need it six months later, but don't remember. | 19:01 |
@preaction | but like so many things, i don't know that i know it, so i can't just call this up until someone needs it (by asking) | 19:01 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, maybe I'm just thick today, but doesn't noAccess mean that the user failed to login? | 19:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | Thus is the life of a guru. | 19:02 |
+perlDreamer | so, if they failed to login, then the url params won't do any good? | 19:02 |
@preaction | perlDreamer: no, it means the user is not logged in at all | 19:03 |
@preaction | and this is why i need to revisit the whole WebGUI::Session::Privilege module: if noAccess sees that you are indeed logged in, it just calls insufficient | 19:03 |
@preaction | iow, insufficient should not exist. there should be two error messages, one for Admin Only, one for Insufficient (you don't have privs, but you could do this if you did, perhaps you need to login to a different account) | 19:04 |
@preaction | which should really be two WebGUI::Error classes that should be thrown. no WebGUI::Session::Privilege required | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | Privilege is nice because it handles the page style and content all in 1 call | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | in any case | 19:07 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think the problem is the URL the user was trying to get to | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's the URL query params | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | letting that happen in general is dangerous | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | once he logs in, it'll still strip the query params | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | which is the right thing to do | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to pass data into WebGUI, it should be done via cookies | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | set a cookie in the remote shop | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | make the user log in | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | and then access the cookie from WebGUI | 19:09 |
@preaction | so trying to get a URL to a ;pn=2 is bad? | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | no, this one is bad: ?func=purgeList;assetId=PBasset000000000000001 | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | and I can think of a few other good ones, too | 19:10 |
@preaction | well, to take your example, if you have admin privileges you should know what a URL is about to do | 19:10 |
@preaction | we can't protect against all forms of stupidity, and we can't protect against malice | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | oh, you mean like PHP? :) | 19:11 |
@preaction | or, the WebGUI::Error could say exactly what you were trying to do, unlike now where there's just a generic message | 19:11 |
@preaction | and then it will be "Login to delete asset Root and all descendants" | 19:12 |
@preaction | which hopefully would cause someone to think twice | 19:12 |
+perlDreamer | but how are we supposed to build WebGUI::Error messages for the whole set of allowed URL and form params? | 19:13 |
@preaction | the www_ method throws. it includes information like "desiredAction", then all the URL params are stored in the scratch "redirectAfterLogin" (just like how it works now) | 19:14 |
@preaction | getting a WebGUI::Error::Privilege will tell WebGUI::URL::Content to show a login page | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | here's another good one: ;op=auth;method=deactivateAccount | 19:15 |
@preaction | i'm saying that right now all of these places have to return a page. instead they could throw an exception and we could build a page from the exception's properties | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | right, but that's not exactly the same topic as allowing outside sites to pass arbitrary params through a login request | 19:18 |
@preaction | no, but it would address your objections | 19:18 |
@Haarg | the issue you are talking about perlDreamer is much larger than just with logins | 19:19 |
+perlDreamer | what am I missing, Haarg? | 19:19 |
@Haarg | we are vulnerable to tons of csrf issues | 19:20 |
Magnetic | has anyone put out an IDE that has support for the tpml markup? | 19:21 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, can you get to www.cmsmatrix.org? | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: yes | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | Magnetic, what is tpml? | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto: it's really slow though | 19:23 |
@tavisto | hmm.. I cant pull it up.. son of ah | 19:25 |
@tavisto | thanks | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | it seems a little slow | 19:26 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Magnetic I think means HTML::Template | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | yeah. | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | no, WebGUI support for WYSIWIG template editing currently exists | 19:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | I don't know of any IDE support for Perl template engines either. | 19:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you grabbing F11 tomorrow? | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I may | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | installing it is an entirely different question. | 19:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: no more excitment of fedora/ | 19:34 |
* perlDreamer is too scared of breakage anymore | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | audio used to work | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | keyboard used to work all the time | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | now it doesn't | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe you should try Ubuntu? twice as many users | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | they have the same problems :/ | 19:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | I know, you need a new laptop :D | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | indeed. Now if only you could convince the company comptroller of that ;) | 19:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | bah a new pimped out lappy only runs about 800 or so. Chump change to a major playa like you :P | 19:37 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how is this url hardcoded? <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="^Extras(wobject/Survey/surveyedit.css);" /> | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | it's not | 19:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10486 | 19:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure I understand the problem | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | none of the files in extras gets processed by WebGIU | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | so it doesn't expand macros | 19:48 |
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+perlmonkey2 | doesn't expand the macros. I hate when the macros aren't expanded :P | 19:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | Ah, what is "expanding macros"? | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | processing them | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | evaluating them | 19:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | So we shoudln't use macros, like the Extras(); macro, to load files from the extras dir? | 19:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | Nevermind, I'll leave that bug to someone who knows what's going on. | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | you should, but not in any file IN the extras directory | 19:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | surveyedit.css has hardcoded extras paths that don't use the extras macro? | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | background: url(/extras/wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif) no-repeat; | 19:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | right | 19:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | that's not a call to the macro | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | the extrasURL is set in the config file | 19:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | so it may not be /extras | 19:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | ic | 19:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | it suxors, d00d | 19:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | wait | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | and then there's the whole gateway issue | 19:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | / may not be / | 19:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | set in the VirtualHost | 19:53 |
@Haarg | that's the normal way it is configured | 19:53 |
@Haarg | but that isn't required | 19:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | So css that needs hard coded paths should be snippets with macros? | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | or, I _think_ you can use URLs relative to the CSS's path | 19:55 |
@Haarg | in javascript it's relatively easy to work around the problem using getWebguiProperty | 19:55 |
@Haarg | you can | 19:55 |
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+perlmonkey2 | damn it, just comitted Asset.pm and have no idea what changes I'd made in it. JS, have to roll that back. | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | you added a debug line, that's all | 20:09 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=11200 | 20:09 |
@Haarg | also, there is no guarantee the extras url starts with /extras/ | 20:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | I changed the paths to be relative from their current locations. | 20:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh crap.....I backed out too far then. | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | s{../extras}{}; | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | well... | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | s{\.\./extras}{}; | 20:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | ../../yui doesn't work. But ../../../extras/yui works. I need a different line of work :P | 20:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | I wonder if ../../ will work on windoze machines. | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | it's a URL | 20:15 |
@Haarg | if ../../yui/ doesn't work there is something else going wrong | 20:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11199 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 20:20 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Better template diagnostics on failure. It now also includes the template URL, and templateId | 20:20 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: in both the onscreen and logged output. | 20:20 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11200 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Changed survey .js/css files to remove hardcoded absolute extras paths. | 20:20 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11201 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Removed debug line, whups. | 20:20 |
@preaction | http://www.macrumorslive.com/ <- JOIN US IN NOT WORKING! | 20:39 |
hansw | ow shit, poor sysop@work | 20:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | PC begging for ideas, offering cash. | 20:42 |
hansw | he will need to support this for a few people | 20:42 |
@preaction | this? being WebGUI? | 20:42 |
hansw | too :-) | 20:42 |
hansw | I meant apple | 20:42 |
@preaction | ahh | 20:43 |
hansw | support for Exchange .... | 20:43 |
@Haarg | would probably be good to go over everything in extras and make sure we are still using it | 20:56 |
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+perlDreamer | thus, the world of WebGUI grinds to a screeching halt | 21:19 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm going to go running. | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | Any last second issues? | 21:51 |
@preaction | ha, ha ha ha, we're not working. why would there be issues? | 21:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, suppose I should finish figuring out that path bug. | 21:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | Okay, ../../../extras works but ../../yui works. Why? Maybe the relative path I'm assuming is wrong. | 21:53 |
@preaction | don't use ../../ use the getWebguiProperty('extrasURL') | 21:56 |
@preaction | it's a global, added to every page | 21:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | Anyone ever played with image bundling JS? GWT has a tool that helps get around loading several small images on a screen. Most of those images are smaller than the HTML headers, and you are limited to two connections at a time. | 21:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | preaction: okay for JS, but what about css? | 21:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | But the GWT has a tool for combining all your images for a page onto a single image, which is then broken up and used by the JS. So only a single image grab per template. | 21:57 |
SynQ | tavisto: new! | 21:58 |
SynQ | official demo sites in europe | 21:58 |
SynQ | demo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl | 21:58 |
SynQ | that is worth a news-item on www.webgui.org if you ask me | 21:58 |
SynQ | perlDreamer: do note it in the WWN | 21:59 |
@tavisto | wait a sec, are you telling me that people use WebGUI in Europe? | 21:59 |
SynQ | well | 21:59 |
SynQ | probably not | 22:00 |
SynQ | since the demo.webgui.org is quite a shitty experience from here | 22:00 |
SynQ | but now there is a chance to change all that | 22:00 |
SynQ | :) | 22:00 |
@tavisto | hehe so it's pretty slow from the EU eh | 22:01 |
@tavisto | I agree that it deserves to be in the WebGUI news | 22:01 |
SynQ | well | 22:02 |
SynQ | try it the other way around | 22:02 |
@tavisto | it went fast | 22:02 |
SynQ | compare demobeta.webgui.nl to demobeta.webgui.org | 22:02 |
@tavisto | I just did it | 22:02 |
SynQ | ok | 22:02 |
@tavisto | I did demo | 22:02 |
SynQ | well that is good news too :) | 22:02 |
SynQ | have you tried admin mode? | 22:02 |
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@tavisto | still don't have any complaints | 22:03 |
SynQ | ok | 22:04 |
elnino | hi!!! just double checking to see if there is a template variable to tell me the type of asset something is in a navigation template. I'm not seeing anything... | 22:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | I moved surveyedit.css to a snippet. When I submit it should I also delete the .css file in the extras dir? | 22:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | I mean, obviously I should, but I hate to delete files without double checking. | 22:14 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer, did you get the info on this version tag issue? | 22:14 |
@Haarg | yes you should delete it | 22:15 |
@tavisto | If so I'm going to move on and delete this pending version tag and then approve the other tags he created on cmsmatrix | 22:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11202 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Final correction on extras path error for administersurvey.js. surveyedit.css should be placed in a snippet using Extras macro. | 22:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | GWT would allow me to vastly clean up the Survey editor, and probably the taking of a survey. Some really slick stuff with no added libraries, and easily wrappable around YUI. My first concern would be where to store the Java project used to create the JS? Or just use the prettified JS output and only put tha tin the repos? | 22:35 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11203 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Moved surveyedit.css to a snippet. Pointed template url at the new snippet. | 23:04 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: I'll report it on WNN | 23:08 |
SynQ | thanks | 23:11 |
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+perlDreamer | elnino, re this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10006. Could you please check your groups setup? | 23:16 |
elnino | I've never looked at modperl.conf before... it's the default: User webgui | 23:18 |
elnino | Group #-1 | 23:18 |
elnino | I'm assuming that is what you want? | 23:18 |
elnino | so I guess I change Group to "webgui"? | 23:20 |
@Haarg | if you'd be willing to test it, try commenting out the Group directive entirely | 23:21 |
@Haarg | and upload a file and check the owner group | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | maybe user webgui does not have a default group on that system? | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | so that #-1 doesn't resolve to anything | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | so it uses the GID | 23:22 |
+perlDreamer | and then we're back to -1 being something really big | 23:22 |
elnino | webgui is a group on the system. 1007 | 23:26 |
elnino | hmm. well somewhere, I got instructions to set the uploads directory to webgui webgui I'm trying to find them on the wiki | 23:26 |
+perlDreamer | right, but what does root@localhost> groups webgui say? | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | if the webgui user does not have any groups set up | 23:27 |
elnino | >groups webgui says "webgui" | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 23:30 |
elnino | was that response correct? | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | well, that's correct, but it doesn't explain the bug | 23:32 |
elnino | I wonder if this is a carry over from when I did a source install. I can't find the wiki. I seem to remember it saying chown webgui:webgui... Things have been modified since then. Like I posted, it doesn't affect functionality, i just happened to notice it when poking around. | 23:32 |
@Haarg | i've definitely seen the same issues on other servers | 23:32 |
elnino | oh. | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | maybe it's an apache bug? | 23:32 |
elnino | well, let me know what I can do... | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, is it still happening? | 23:33 |
@Haarg | can you test commenting out the Group directive? | 23:33 |
elnino | that's a good question. | 23:33 |
elnino | I am still runing 7.5 | 23:33 |
elnino | I guess I figured it would take the paren'ts directory chown settings.. | 23:34 |
elnino | Yes, Haarg, I'll give that a try. Just a sec. | 23:34 |
elnino | no idea if it's still happneing - lemme look | 23:34 |
elnino | yes, it still happens. | 23:34 |
elnino | Let me try commenting it out. | 23:35 |
elnino | so, if # is a comment, does that mean that #-1 is commented out? just wondering. | 23:36 |
@Haarg | supposedly not | 23:37 |
@Haarg | which is a bit odd | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | #-1 says to refer to the group by number, otherwise it assumes a name | 23:37 |
elnino | I know that what it *says*, but? it's a bit odd as Haarg puts it. | 23:37 |
elnino | =) | 23:37 |
@Haarg | well, #(number) refers to a group by number, #-1 refers to User's primary group | 23:38 |
elnino | side question. Why can't mysql support "isnumeric" grr. | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | I don't see that in the Groups directive docs | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mpm_common.html#group | 23:39 |
@Haarg | odd | 23:40 |
@Haarg | i could swear i just read that there | 23:40 |
elnino | why can't it just inherit public/ directorys settings | 23:41 |
elnino | is that too windowy? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | no, for that you'd have to set the group sticky bit | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | g+s | 23:41 |
elnino | k. I commened out the group #-1 and replaced it with nothing else. | 23:43 |
elnino | uploaded a photo | 23:43 |
elnino | and the uploads/aq directory was created today with a group number of 4294967295 | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | and that's the last updated directory? | 23:44 |
elnino | so your saying if I set the sticy bit on my uploads directory, it would use uploads user/group? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | it's supposed to | 23:45 |
elnino | 13:42 dated today. I'd say yes. | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | elnino, what happens if you set the group explicitly to webgui: Group webgui | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | does that behave better? | 23:45 |
elnino | I suspect it would | 23:45 |
elnino | I'll try. | 23:45 |
elnino | or do you want me to o the sticky bit? | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | no, please just the Group setting | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | one tweak at a time | 23:46 |
elnino | oh. and I'm only restarting mod perl.. that is sufficent right? | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | mod_proxy is only supposed to serve files, not make them | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | but it never hurts to do them both | 23:47 |
@Haarg | ok, now that i'm not confused about the #-1 thing, the way it is behaving sounds correct. and we just need to adjust it to use a real group. | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | do we need to patch the WRE? | 23:48 |
elnino | well. I changed the group to be group webgui and restarted modperl only and uploaded a new file and it was given the webgui group as specified. | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 23:49 |
elnino | so, restarting modperl seems to be sufficent. | 23:49 |
elnino | and specifing a group name works. | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | Group #1007 (or whatever the right GID) would probably work, too | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | but webgui leaves nothing to doubt | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | Can I ask one more favor of you? Would you please post back to the bug saying that the fix is? | 23:50 |
elnino | sure. the fix it to specify webgui? | 23:51 |
elnino | s/it/is | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:51 |
elnino | done. | 23:57 |
elnino | is there a way to know what type of asset something is in the navigation template? | 23:59 |
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elnino | I see the isContainer and isUtility template variables, is that all I have available to me? | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes, that's it | 00:00 |
elnino | bummer | 00:00 |
elnino | k | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | it's a 3 line RFE | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | add the template variable | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | add the template Help doc | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | add the i18n for the help doc | 00:01 |
@Haarg | the class name should be available as well i believe | 00:02 |
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@Haarg | so it would probably be possible to do something based on that using HTML::Template::Expr | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: not to bust your chops, but removing the file on a customer's site will require an upgrade sub | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | className isn't one of the vars | 00:03 |
@Haarg | upgrades don't remove files though | 00:03 |
@Haarg | navigation includes $asset->get | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | it does! | 00:03 |
@Haarg | for all assets | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | I missed that | 00:03 |
elnino | what? | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | page.property (page.className) | 00:03 |
elnino | So.. <tmpl_var page.className> is supposed to work? it doesn't print anything. | 00:09 |
@Haarg | 7.6 only i think | 00:09 |
elnino | perlDreamer, i've been dreaming about other things other than webgui for a while..my customer has no money so I haven't been looking at this server for what seems a very long time. | 00:10 |
elnino | . I'd be happy to do this rfe... but help me.. what file do I look at in /lib | 00:10 |
elnino | ? | 00:10 |
@preaction | WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm | 00:10 |
@preaction | look in sub view {} | 00:11 |
elnino | perfect. I didn't lok under Wobject. | 00:11 |
elnino | haarg.... oh ok. I'll upgrade.... | 00:11 |
hansw | preaction, is 7.x just as easy to explain to newbies as 5.x? | 00:12 |
hansw | I gave a demo to 4 people and was rather suprised to see them filling the site with only a few phonecalls to support them | 00:13 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11204 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix the error message shown when you try to send a message from the Inbox, but none | 00:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: of your friends allow private messaging. | 00:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11205 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update help to show that ALL asset variables are available for every page in the page_loop. | 00:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11206 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Account inbox error message fix for unmessagable friends. | 00:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11207 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: And more changes. | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, we can't stick in unlink $oldCruftyFile into an upgrade subroutine and have it manually delete files on the user's site? | 00:15 |
@Haarg | we can, but usually don't | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | so we should just leave it be. Okay | 00:16 |
elnino | So I should upgrade first, then do the rfe? what to I give to who? a diff? the actual files? I'll create the rfe now. | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | if you upgrade, you'll get the code that does the rfe automatically | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | since it's in 7.6 | 00:21 |
elnino | well, I also want groupIdView | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | it's in there, too | 00:22 |
elnino | but I suppose | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | ALL the asset properties are in there | 00:22 |
elnino | you beat me to it. | 00:22 |
elnino | perfect. | 00:22 |
elnino | you guys are awesome. | 00:22 |
elnino | I'm going to pull weeds now. Have a great day! | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | see ya, elnino! | 00:23 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11208 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update Navigation docs to show that all asset variables are available for each asset in the page_loop. | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11209 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm: Backporting more Asset_Navigation docs. | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: translation * r11210 /translations/German/German/Asset_MatrixListing.pm: Update from translation server | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11211 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix a bug in the Story when handling images of different sizes. Add a | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: photoWidth property to the StoryArchive, and resize all newly uploaded pictures | 01:15 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: to a Story. | 01:15 |
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+perlDreamer | good morning, patspam | 02:44 |
+patspam | morning! | 02:44 |
+perlDreamer | Are you pretty familiar with Yslow, the Firebug plug-in? | 02:46 |
+patspam | aye | 03:02 |
+patspam | I'm doing a WUC talk on it :) | 03:02 |
+perlDreamer | Do you know if the DOC time is independent of the other components on the page? | 03:07 |
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+patspam | yup, I think so, in the sense that the time reported there is just the time to download the initial html doc | 03:09 |
+patspam | you see the same time reported in the firebug Net panel | 03:10 |
+patspam | is that what you're asking? | 03:11 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 03:11 |
* perlDreamer was hoping it was otherwise | 03:11 |
+patspam | of course, the time it takes wg to generate the html may well be dependent on other components | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | that is true | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | but 13 seconds seems long | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | in any case, Mrs. Dreamer is calling me for dinner. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | bbiaw | 03:13 |
+patspam | enjoy! | 03:13 |
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+perlDreamer | patspam, have you tried Google Page Speed yet? | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | It's by the same guy who wrote Yslow, except he works for Google now :) | 05:23 |
+patspam | steve souders? | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | and, it has graphical output | 05:23 |
@preaction | ha, nice :p | 05:23 |
+patspam | awesome, gotta check it! | 05:23 |
+perlDreamer | showing load times and relative positioning of events | 05:24 |
+patspam | I'll definitely check it out, thanks perlDreamer | 05:25 |
+perlDreamer | I'm still trying to make heads and tails of the output | 05:25 |
+perlDreamer | one bummer is that you can't zoom or scroll the graph | 05:25 |
+perlDreamer | nor get to the real data | 05:26 |
+patspam | where is the graphing? | 05:28 |
+patspam | wow, it tells you how many bytes you could save by compressing images, that's pretty cool | 05:29 |
+patspam | ah i see, in "Page Speed Activity" | 05:31 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ: are you burning the late night oil? | 06:03 |
+perlDreamer | You start recording, then do a page load, which is awkward because Firebug is Inspecting while you do that | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | and Ctrl-R is overloaded to both mean start recording | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | and reloda page | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | reload page | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | and watch it do its magic | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | if you wait too long | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | you'll lose the origin | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | and there's no scrolling | 06:04 |
+patspam | hilarious, https://aus.us-visaservices.com has an invalid SSL certificate | 06:15 |
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+perlDreamer | that is funny :) | 06:25 |
+perlDreamer | patspam, just out of curiosity, how long do your Admin mode load times take on a page? | 06:29 |
+patspam | on a localhost dev site? | 06:29 |
+perlDreamer | sure | 06:29 |
+patspam | doc loads in 432ms | 06:30 |
+patspam | had refresh on page takes about 4secs | 06:31 |
+patspam | there's another firebug plugin by steve souders called hammerhead that does full page load time measurements | 06:31 |
+patspam | but it's a bit alpha | 06:33 |
* patspam heads out for lunch | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for the chat, patspam | 06:33 |
+patspam | pleasure as always! :) | 06:33 |
+perlDreamer | that steve souders is a busy guy | 06:52 |
oversillo | hi all, sorry for my bad english, what WRE is recomended for install on Debian Lenny distribution ? wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz ? | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | that is a source install, oversillo. You'd have to compile the WRE by hand from there. | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | I know they're working on a Lenny build for 0.9.3 | 07:00 |
+perlDreamer | it's just a matter of time | 07:00 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11212 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey Preview a little less brutal | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11213 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fixed bug in privs check for Survey::www_showFeedback | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: patspam * r11214 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Survey cleanup and minor bug fixes | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Cleaned up edit page tabs | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Improved API docs | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added noCreate option to responseId so that it doesn't create unnecessary responses | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Added groupToTakeSurvey priv check to takeSurvey | 07:06 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11215 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: | 07:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Fix a bug with the backported Shortcut code. User->get doesn't exist | 07:07 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: in 7.6. | 07:07 |
oversillo | there are a WRE compilation manual ? | 07:09 |
+perlDreamer | just the instructions on the wiki | 07:09 |
oversillo | ok, thanks | 07:09 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11216 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed #9912: Account/Friends, only message one Friend at a time. | 08:13 |
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+bartjol | patspam: in relation to http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9353 , have you had any problems with the links in the activation message in 7.7? | 12:40 |
+bartjol | my semicolons are transferred into %3b | 12:41 |
+bartjol | already tried to replace the addtext method with the addHtmlRaw method, but without succes | 12:42 |
+bartjol | in firefox that is | 12:50 |
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+bartjol | adding a NE flag to my rewrite rule helped | 13:48 |
+bartjol | strange thing is that that flag wasn't given in another site (7.6.25 instead of 7.7.9) but it worked fine | 14:00 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11217 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS. | 15:53 |
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+perlmonkey2 | What's new today in the world of wG? | 16:36 |
+bartjol | I'm 31 | 16:40 |
+bartjol | I consider myself a part of the world of WebGUI | 16:41 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: hao * r11218 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS. | 16:53 |
+bartjol | thanks bopbop | 16:55 |
@bopbop | sure, hope you have a good one! | 16:57 |
+bartjol | workig and games tonight | 16:58 |
@bopbop | cross out working :) | 16:58 |
+bartjol | no actually I did some usefull stuff today, Koen even complemented me ;) | 16:58 |
@bopbop | oh, well that is something! | 16:58 |
@bopbop | his birthday gift to you | 16:59 |
+bartjol | well, I should throw a party when I wanna have gifts | 16:59 |
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+bartjol | me thinks http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10280 can be resolved | 17:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | bartjol: happy b-day bartjol. got any big plans? | 17:17 |
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tomsuchy | Hi everyone. I may have run into a small problem with GIT. I had a merge conflict, and, being a novice at GIT, I googled it for possible resolutions. One of them indicated I should reset --hard HEAD, which ended up losing two files on me that apparently had not been committed yet. Is there any way to recover those files? Thanks for any help you can provide. | 17:21 |
tomsuchy | I was told there were some GIT experts here, so I thought it'd be a good place to ask. | 17:22 |
tomsuchy | this is, of course, before I panic and run screaming through the house. | 17:22 |
@Haarg | the files were modified but not committed? | 17:23 |
+bartjol | perlmonkey2: nope | 17:23 |
@Haarg | were they related to the merge at all? | 17:23 |
+bartjol | and thanks btw | 17:23 |
tomsuchy | hi Haarg, thanks for answering. They were not related to the merge at all. They WERE committed just prior to the push to origin. | 17:25 |
tomsuchy | i have a script that runs commit -a and then push origin, so they must've been committed. | 17:25 |
tomsuchy | but, then I did the reset --hard HEAD... | 17:25 |
@Haarg | well, the first thing to check is the reflog | 17:26 |
@Haarg | git reflog | 17:26 |
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@Haarg | it should give you a history of what HEAD pointed to | 17:26 |
tomsuchy | yes, it's not detailed enough, and since i'm fairly sparse with comments (this is all new development, so i'm not detailed in my update logs) | 17:27 |
@Haarg | did this just happen? | 17:28 |
@Haarg | the reflog is different from the normal log | 17:28 |
tomsuchy | it just happened within the last hour. here are some lines from it. | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | 3d954bf... HEAD@{0}: pull : Fast forward | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | 18756df... HEAD@{1}: origin: updating HEAD | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | 96b9857... HEAD@{2}: commit: development updates | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | 42f18c9... HEAD@{3}: commit: development changes | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | sorry for span | 17:29 |
tomsuchy | er, spam. | 17:29 |
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@Haarg | you should be able to look through those commits to find one with the files you need | 17:31 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:32 |
+bartjol | morning SquOnk | 17:39 |
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SquOnk | bartjol: Hey there | 17:40 |
+bartjol | tomsuchy: when you really have a lot put it on patsebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 17:47 |
tomsuchy | cool, next time i will, thanks. pastebin looks like a good idea. | 17:48 |
+bartjol | patsebin, yeah, I'm really on top of it now | 17:50 |
+bartjol | and I also see a real git freenode channel (not trying to move you away), using WebGUI might also be a good plan for you ;) | 17:56 |
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tomsuchy | thanks bartjol, i got my git problems resolved thanks to Haarg. | 18:08 |
+bartjol | great! | 18:10 |
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SquOnk | Who's in charge of LDAP Auth? | 18:14 |
@Haarg | nobody in particular | 18:15 |
@Haarg | although khenn wrote most of it i believe | 18:15 |
SquOnk | I see. | 18:18 |
SquOnk | It still doesn't work with ldaps:// URIs | 18:18 |
SquOnk | It has to do with the fact that the URI given in WebGUI's config is being deconstructed while constructing the Net::LDAP object | 18:19 |
ckotil | awww. i was hoping to start playing with ldaps soon | 18:19 |
SquOnk | $uri->host() and $uri->port() will end up giving the proper host and the proper port, but then you lose the method | 18:19 |
SquOnk | Line 67 of Auth/LDAP.pm | 18:20 |
SquOnk | if ($ldap = Net::LDAP->new($uri->host, (port=>$uri->port))) { | 18:20 |
+bartjol | tabee | 18:20 |
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SquOnk | needs to be changed to | 18:21 |
SquOnk | $ldap = Net::LDAP->new( $uri ) | 18:21 |
SquOnk | That way, one simpy writes ldap://foo/ or ldaps://foo/ and it will work. | 18:22 |
SquOnk | (For ldaps:// you only need to have the CA Certificate somewhere appropiate) | 18:22 |
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+perlDreamer | SynQ: ping | 18:54 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, are you downloading as we speak? | 19:04 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: heh, of course | 19:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: won't have it until I wake up tomorrow though. Even if I could manage to get full speeds. | 19:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | Thinking of going up to the University to download there. | 19:05 |
+perlDreamer | there ya go | 19:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | might get more done up there too. Can't stop playing with GWT. | 19:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: how much do you have downloaded? | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | none | 19:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | should buy a cheap second hard drive so you can just swap it out, install, and see if F11 corrects your issues. Old lappy drive run like $20-30. | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | that's not too bad | 19:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | I mean, ext4. Encrypt your drive and still see a large performance boost. | 19:12 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11219 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Shortcut/querybuilder.css: Fix hardcoded extra in Shortcut query builder. | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | I've looked through the code, and i can't find anywhere that uses extras/WebGUI.js | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | does anyone know any differently? | 19:41 |
@preaction | check templates? | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | not yet | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | I'll see if there's a wgd widget for dumping them all | 19:42 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI.js has been untouched since 2005, when we switched to SVN. | 19:42 |
@bopbop | perlDreamer: am I right that there is no "story manager"? just story archive and story topic? | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | story, story archive and story topic comprise the Story Manager | 19:43 |
@bopbop | hmmm, is there supposed to be a story asset? | 19:44 |
@preaction | there is a story asset yes | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but it's kind of like WikiPage, or Event | 19:44 |
@preaction | you add them to Topic and Archives | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | Only to Archives | 19:44 |
@bopbop | so I create archives first | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:44 |
@bopbop | ok, thx | 19:44 |
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@bopbop | archive, topic, and then story | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | you can do topics or stories first, it doesn't matter | 19:45 |
@preaction | you can't add them to individual topics? aww | 19:45 |
@bopbop | anything really cool that it does that I might not notice right off the bat? (like the metadata in products and shelf?) | 19:45 |
@preaction | that's how topics work, the keywords thing | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | topics are keyword driven, so using good keywords is important | 19:46 |
@bopbop | so, I can assign keywords to topics and stories | 19:46 |
@bopbop | and the stories will be added under topics | 19:46 |
@bopbop | by that criteria? | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | right | 19:46 |
@bopbop | cool | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | the number of stories a topic displays depends on its context | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | standalone, or as a child of a layout | 19:47 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | aside from that, it's really, really basic | 19:48 |
@bopbop | alright, I'll tinker with it | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | the only other magic/hidden stuff is the newly committed photo resize | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | if you put in more than 1 photo, the default story template will put up a YUI carousel | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | if the photos are very different sized, the carousel will puke | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | visually | 19:49 |
@bopbop | ah, good to know | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | so in 7.7.10, there is a new Archive setting that will resize all photos to a specified width | 19:49 |
@bopbop | which is? | 19:51 |
@bopbop | and will their stuff get squashed if that happens? | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | 300 by default, or whatever the user puts into the setting | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | it's proportionally resized, by width | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | so 600x600 ends up being 300x300 | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | 300x700 stays 300x700 | 19:52 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:52 |
@bopbop | thank you | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | preaction, it's not in the templates either | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | and I've found something that wgd will not do | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | (or that I can't figure out how to do) | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | you can't dump all templates/assets into files for searching | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | you can edit them all one by one | 19:53 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11220 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Profiler/sortabletable.js: Remove hardcoded extrasPath in the JS. | 20:08 |
* perlDreamer heads to the gym | 20:17 |
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@Haarg | perlDreamer, that's something i intended to do but never finished | 20:56 |
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ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/10496 | 22:47 |
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Magnetic | Hey all, I today I have started to try to install my own wre runtime. Well, it was successful however I am having an issue accessing it from an client computer via a browser. Would this be a WEBGUI or centos issue?(I would think centOS but I have opened up the port and the issue remains) | 23:39 |
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@Haarg | if you haven't already, try accessing it directly on the server using curl using the exact same url you tried on the client | 23:41 |
Magnetic | localhost:60834 works, but not the IP:60834. Are you saying I should access it via IP:60384 on the server it's self? | 23:44 |
@Haarg | yes | 23:45 |
Magnetic | standby | 23:45 |
@Haarg | what i've done for that in the past is to use a ssh tunnel | 23:46 |
@Haarg | ssh user@server -L60834:localhost:60834 | 23:46 |
topsub1 | perlDreamer, you were rigt about the summary and keywords. It works perfect! Glad to see that feature. Will allow me to put my site into webgui | 23:47 |
@Haarg | then you would be able to go to localhost:60834 on the client machine and it would connect to the wreconsole on the server | 23:47 |
Magnetic | open failed: connect failed: Connection refused | 23:53 |
Magnetic | thats pretty slick haha, what is that trick called? | 23:54 |
@preaction | Magnetic: it's SSH tunnelling | 23:55 |
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Magnetic | ha, never seen the CLI side of it. blasted guis :P | 23:58 |
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daviddelikat | perlDreamer: question about a couple bug reports you made... | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | I'm here | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | which bug reports? | 00:07 |
daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10484 | 00:07 |
daviddelikat | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10486 | 00:07 |
daviddelikat | how do we know what files can and cant use macros? | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | anything outside of WebGUI cannot use macros | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | the only thing that can use macros are assets, and various fields in the UI | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | most templates | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | but never anything from extras | 00:08 |
daviddelikat | so what do we replace the hardcoded text with? | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | now that's a good question | 00:09 |
daviddelikat | # 10486 | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | and, btw, these are almost all wrapped up already, so they don't need more work on them | 00:09 |
daviddelikat | I see now theres a discussion at the bottom | 00:09 |
daviddelikat | wasn't there when I looked last... | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | we've been busy :) | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | for the CSS files, use a relative path | 00:10 |
daviddelikat | its a good thing | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | ../../otherExtrasSubdir/foo/bar/baz | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | works fine | 00:10 |
daviddelikat | I'm working on the help desk file | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | I think it's done already | 00:10 |
daviddelikat | where did you put it? | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | it's in git | 00:11 |
daviddelikat | i guess I will have to git it out... | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | git pull origin | 00:11 |
daviddelikat | but then I have to try to combine my changes with yours... | 00:11 |
daviddelikat | not very easy with this package thing as far as i know | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | it won't be a package | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | it's only a text file, so it will probably merge right i | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | in | 00:12 |
daviddelikat | ok yeah | 00:12 |
daviddelikat | ok thanks | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | For JS, you can use getWebguiProperty('extrasURL') | 00:13 |
daviddelikat | too much to keep track of in this world... | 00:13 |
+perlDreamer | that's a small JS subroutine added to anything that gets handled by $session->style | 00:13 |
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+perlDreamer | and it will pass you back the extrasURL | 00:13 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, i did a quick check of some other files in extras root and it looks like a number are unused | 00:13 |
@Haarg | asc.gif desc.gif doubleSelect.js swapLayers.js versionDot.gif versionDotOn.gif attachment.gif | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | I can pull those from svn | 00:15 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11221 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (7 files): Remove unused files from extras. | 00:24 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11222 /WebGUI/www/extras/WebGUI.js: Remove another unused file in extras. | 00:24 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: colin * r11223 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Backporting extras cleanup. Remove unused files, remove hardcoded paths. | 00:24 |
@Haarg | i'm really starting to think we should move to Locale::Maketext. the main problem would be losing context. | 00:27 |
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+perlmonkey2 | wgd blew away my uploads dir in /data/WebGUI/www | 00:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | might be a bug | 00:28 |
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@Haarg | what command did you run? | 00:28 |
+perlmonkey2 | j/s I'll give you the exact | 00:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | but the conf was using data/WebGUI for uploads | 00:29 |
@Haarg | well | 00:29 |
@Haarg | don't do that :) | 00:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | alias revert="cd /data/tools/wgdev; bin/wgd reset -d --no-debug; chmod -R g+w /data/WebGUI; chown -R apache.apache /data/domains; cd -" | 00:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | :P | 00:30 |
@Haarg | i suppose i could have it check that and bail if you have it configured that way | 00:30 |
+perlmonkey2 | no biggie, just a fluke as I'm trying to configure a one off instance 7.6 just to backport a change, then hopefully never see 7.6 again. | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | croak "perlmonkey now allowed to use this feature" if $username =~ /perlmonkey; | 00:33 |
@Haarg | i should also set up a vm to experiment with some of the permissions stuff | 00:33 |
@Haarg | it is supposed to not need the chmod/chown stuff | 00:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: it changes permissions on me every time. | 00:34 |
@Haarg | although i guess i never did deal with update.pl screwing it up | 00:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | and users | 00:34 |
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+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: shouldn't you be out drinking yourself silly? | 00:34 |
+BartJol | I already did that last weekend | 00:35 |
+BartJol | still recovering | 00:35 |
@Haarg | if run as root it is supposed to try to use the uid and gid of the uploads root | 00:35 |
@Haarg | and match its permissions | 00:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: ah, preemptive birthday celebration to take advantage of a weekend. nice. | 00:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | Haarg: I probably just have something royally messed up. | 00:35 |
+BartJol | yeah and Sarah who was visiting! | 00:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | nice | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, for Locale::Maketext, is it as speedy as our native i18n? | 00:36 |
@Haarg | probably not | 00:36 |
@preaction | Haarg: Locale::Maketext seems nice, but would that mean we'd have one single %Lexicon for all of WebGUI? or would we be able to inherit? | 00:36 |
@Haarg | we would have the text in the code | 00:36 |
@Haarg | there wouldn't be namespaces | 00:36 |
@Haarg | at least, that's how i'm thinking of it | 00:37 |
@Haarg | could probably be done with namespaces as well, but i'm not sure how useful that would be | 00:37 |
+BartJol | doesn't make that internationalization hareder | 00:37 |
@Haarg | i'm not sure | 00:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | This probably sounds strange, but why would the admin page tabbing of forms feel 100x snappier in 7.6 than 7.7? | 00:37 |
@preaction | but there could be. a WebGUI::Localize::Article::en_US could inherit from WebGUI::Localize::en_US | 00:37 |
@Haarg | like i say, losing the context is probably the largest problem | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | without context, BartJol could cry | 00:38 |
@preaction | perlmonkey2: different YUI codebases | 00:38 |
+BartJol | ah, which can be a problem at the moment already during translating | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | or send me lots of emails... | 00:38 |
+BartJol | in dutch | 00:38 |
@Haarg | it would eliminate the problem of duplication though | 00:39 |
+BartJol | that is a good thing | 00:39 |
@Haarg | the problem with that preaction is that the english text would all be in the code | 00:39 |
@Haarg | not in the %Lexicon | 00:39 |
@Haarg | so i'm not sure what you would gain | 00:39 |
@preaction | easier overriding of the english text, for those who want to | 00:40 |
+BartJol | angry dutch, german, arabic and polish guys | 00:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | trying to make perlDreamer's deadline or I'd look it up, but this is the correct use of hte macro? background: url(^Extras(wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif);) no-repeat; | 00:40 |
@preaction | changing "Save" to "Apply" everywhere, for example | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | if it's a snippet | 00:40 |
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+perlmonkey2 | nevermind, I have to test it anyways | 00:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | yes a snippet with macros enabled | 00:40 |
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+perlmonkey2 | like the 7.7 fix | 00:41 |
@Haarg | but i'm saying they would all be in a single namespace | 00:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | although 7.6 is way different than 7.7. glad I didn't just grab the forms from 7.7 | 00:41 |
* perlDreamer looks quiet and nice, but ware those of you who do not backport your code! | 00:41 |
@Haarg | so changing Save to Apply everywhere would be simple | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | and if you think that's bad, just wait and see what happens if you don't put away your dishes after dinner! | 00:41 |
+BartJol | well, if you finish your plates, you're ok | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | only Dutch people, __BIG__ Dutch people, eat plates | 00:43 |
+BartJol | but by finishing your plates, you grow big, heavy and slow while eating all the stuff with dislike | 00:44 |
+BartJol | which does sound parallel to programming | 00:44 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, I've been on patspam to try and get him to backport stuff, too. | 00:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I currently don't have any open wG contracts, so I might be out of the wG scene for a while. | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | what? | 00:48 |
+BartJol | perlmonkey2 wants to get spanked | 00:49 |
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+perlmonkey2 | spanked by BartJol? I don't normally swing that way, but maybe I'll make an exception just this once :p | 00:52 |
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+perlmonkey2 | There went this channel's PG rating. | 00:52 |
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+BartJol | oh, sorry | 00:53 |
+BartJol | carogray: did you work it out with that URI thingy? | 00:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | okay, perlDreamer backports finished, just need to export and package and commit. | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, thank you very much | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | after that, please go spank BartJol, or whatever | 00:56 |
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+BartJol | oh, is that necessary? | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2, thank you very much | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | after that, please go buy BartJol a beer, or whatever | 01:00 |
+BartJol | well, last thing I did was having a shit | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | make that PG-13, heading toward R | 01:01 |
+BartJol | now I'm off for a beer | 01:01 |
+BartJol | I'm not good for this channel it seems | 01:01 |
+BartJol | all work and no play makes Bart a dull boy | 01:01 |
* perlDreamer has heard that BartJol is running cold water, hot water, and beer to all the taps in his house | 01:02 |
@Haarg | so how much do people hate my idea of having all the i18n text directly in the code and a flat namespace for translations | 01:03 |
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* BartJol only wishes | 01:04 |
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carogray | hey bartjol = yes! | 01:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: done. | 01:06 |
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+BartJol | glad to hear that | 01:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah | 01:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: you are cracking me up. | 01:07 |
+BartJol | what I'm doing now? | 01:07 |
carogray | I thanks so much it was one of those sticky problems with so many factors going on we kept trying to narrow down WHAT the problem was... it was a bizarre URL that was really long and complicated that had been created by trying to transfer Word docs, to HTML and ...well | 01:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: just being your normal entertaining self. | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, it'll cut down on duplicates, which I like. The only questions I have are functional. | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | if the i18n is in the code, what happens to context? | 01:08 |
@Haarg | it wouldn't exist | 01:08 |
@Haarg | like i say, that's the largest problem | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | But we now know that other translation systems don't have it | 01:09 |
@Haarg | yeah, i don't know of any other system that has that | 01:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | I would kill to have the i18n in the code. But what is 'context'? | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | context is notes about the i18n | 01:09 |
@Haarg | it is in the i18n files | 01:09 |
@Haarg | it is never used by webgui itself | 01:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah | 01:09 |
+BartJol | yeah, word documents are horrible sometimes carogray | 01:09 |
@Haarg | only the translation server | 01:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | comments | 01:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | comment your i18n code :D | 01:10 |
@Haarg | basically | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | where it's used, giving hints on words with multiple meanings, etc. | 01:10 |
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+BartJol | and the translations would be in a i18n like lib? | 01:10 |
carogray | Bartjol, hah! nothing compared to what I have just finally completed today! | 01:11 |
+BartJol | very good | 01:11 |
carogray | had no internet access, therefore no telephone access apart frommy mobile and | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, I think Haarg's current idea (aside from Locale::Maketext) is to get rid of namespaces in i18n | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | just make it flat | 01:11 |
carogray | I spent the entire day on the phone - mobile minutes racking up all the while trying to trouble shoot every flippin piece of this complicated network | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | it'll get rid of many duplications right off | 01:11 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11224 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Corrected Default Survey Edit template urls to be relative and moved surveyedit.css to a snippet to use the Extras macro. | 01:11 |
@Haarg | the translation server wouldn't work much different from how it does now | 01:12 |
carogray | ARGH! I HATE computers! | 01:12 |
@Haarg | aside from the lack of namespaces | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | then part #2 is to say that there are no more i18n "keys" | 01:12 |
@Haarg | yeah | 01:12 |
+BartJol | making it flat is kinda positive | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | everything in code would be $i18n->('long english sentences'); | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg, commenting the i18n is not that crazy | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | we could say that #i18n: context | 01:12 |
+BartJol | but sometimes english words may have multiple meanings | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | immediately after, or on the next line, would be context | 01:13 |
+BartJol | so per meaning there should be an entry | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | we have to parse the perl anyway to build the reference for the other languages | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | so why not encode the context in the code, too? | 01:13 |
@Haarg | there are already parsers for doing this though | 01:13 |
@Haarg | would be substantially more work if we had to write our own | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | it's mainly written, just dog slow | 01:14 |
@Haarg | well, maybe not that much more | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | critic_labels would do it | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | it just needs some reentrant scoping lovve | 01:14 |
@Haarg | well, i18n calls would be done differently as well | 01:14 |
daviddelikat | why not put the context in the key itself? | 01:14 |
+BartJol | as extra parameter? | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | how would they be done, Haarg? | 01:15 |
daviddelikat | so you would make your $i18n->('blah blah') with the context right there... | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | no more object instanciation? | 01:15 |
@Haarg | there would be a global object | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | a singleton? | 01:15 |
@Haarg | per session, created with the user's language | 01:15 |
+perlDreamer | ah, okay | 01:15 |
@Haarg | having context as part of the key or as an extra param sounds pretty nasty to me | 01:16 |
@Haarg | adds more weight to i18n lookups as well | 01:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: quick question if you have time. I'm about to hook up an atmel micro to my thermostat to control via XBee via my server via my phone. Only problem is driving my thermostat which is a 24VAC system. I was thinking easy to get parts are the 5V trannies to flip a 12V relay I could get at an auto store. That sound workable? | 01:17 |
@Haarg | Locale::Maketext::Lexicon has plugins to extract i18n strings from perl and Template::Toolkit | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | if you use a mechanical relay, then you only have to worry about the selector side voltage ratings. | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | 24VAC? | 01:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | shouldn't any relay I get at an auto store be able to handle a few mA over 24V? | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | A != V | 01:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | yeah, I guess the old old old style of thermostats use 24V. or maybe its 25V | 01:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | 26 | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | but why is it using 24 VAC? | 01:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | my multimeter says 28VAC, but that is weird, so it must be a 24V system. | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | shouldn't it be 24 VDC? | 01:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | for my thermostat hooked up to my Air conditioner and furnace? | 01:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | I don't know why it is that high, as yhou'd think microvolt ac could tell it to turn on and off, but that is how they apparently used to do it. | 01:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe transformers were cheaper than inverters back then. | 01:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh well, it isn't high enough voltage to kill me, and i'm sure I can get the AC guy out within a week or two of 95 degree weather :P | 01:22 |
daviddelikat | perlmonkey2: you might want to try setting your meter to DC and re-measure. the AC reading might show up higher than the DC | 01:23 |
daviddelikat | if the DC measurement is flackey then you know that you really have to use AC | 01:24 |
daviddelikat | wont hurt the meater at all | 01:24 |
daviddelikat | ( at least it didn't hurt mine... ) | 01:24 |
daviddelikat | s/flackey/flakey/ | 01:24 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r601c6a3 / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 01:31 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: Add support for an explicit group for Apache. | 01:31 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: By default, it looks for the default group for the user in the | 01:31 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: config file. Add support for putting the group in the | 01:31 |
CIA-23 | wrebuild: config file in the future. - http://bit.ly/B20oA | 01:31 |
* perlDreamer has never heard of a system that signals with 24VAC | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't do a lot of low voltage home appliance work, either | 01:43 |
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@Haarg | the other advantage of going with a flat namespace for translations is that in addition to the translation server, people would be able to use one of the translation editors that are around | 01:49 |
@Haarg | there are a number of them got editting .po files, and we could either use that format directly or convert to/from it easily | 01:49 |
@Haarg | and Text::Unidecode would get us the same thing as the current transliteration code but more general/better | 01:52 |
+perlDreamer | whether we go that far or not, at least getting rid of namespaces seems like a big win | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | is that a wG 7.8-ism? or wG 8? | 01:54 |
@Haarg | would probably have to be 8 | 01:55 |
+perlDreamer | well, in that case we have some time to think about it | 01:56 |
+perlDreamer | is there a place where we keep all the wg8 design goals? | 01:56 |
@Haarg | i don't think so | 01:56 |
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+perlDreamer | WebGUI, we need to help Daan | 02:06 |
+perlDreamer | SynQ, you can help him too | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | between the 3 of us, it shouldn't be too hard | 02:07 |
+perlDreamer | shy of wiping and unpancking a new WRE where my old one used to be, what's the quickest way to do a wgd reset on the WRE? | 02:08 |
+BartJol | eeeh, Koen doesn't have multiple personalities | 02:08 |
+BartJol | only on IRC, but that's called redundancy | 02:09 |
+BartJol | mmm, perlDreamer may be you can reset a wre.conf setting | 02:13 |
+BartJol | allthough that won't uninstall the extra packages | 02:13 |
+BartJol | mmm, I don't see the setting in my non dev env | 02:14 |
+perlDreamer | I'm okay with extra packages | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | just the configuration and setup files | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | and where is that WebGUI/SynQ/SynQ2? | 02:19 |
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+BartJol | I don't know | 02:21 |
+BartJol | not next to me | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | that's too bad, because you're supposed to be drinking beer | 02:22 |
+BartJol | finishing my last for today | 02:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: The multimeter I'm using is new because I measured DC on an AC line with my old one. | 02:25 |
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+perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: if it is DC, then my measurement would be 70% of the DC value. | 02:31 |
daviddelikat | didn't you get 28VAC? | 02:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | daviddelikat: yep, 28VAC | 02:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | which would be what, 40VDC? | 02:31 |
daviddelikat | not it would not convert like that | 02:31 |
daviddelikat | the actula voltage would be nearly the same | 02:31 |
daviddelikat | AC is just a switching current | 02:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | whups, I'm averaging the wrong way. | 02:32 |
daviddelikat | which means that part of the time iut is positive and part is negative | 02:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | DC would measure 71% of the AC voltage, since you'd see the average. | 02:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | you wouldn't measure the negative on DC. | 02:32 |
daviddelikat | you have a single constant value in DC there is no need for that | 02:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | okay, I'm going to go stick my meter, which only goes up to 12V, on the line, here's to hoping it doesn't blow. | 02:33 |
daviddelikat | but when the meter measures AC it has to take into account that the current is changing | 02:33 |
daviddelikat | and so it measures high. | 02:33 |
daviddelikat | no dont do that | 02:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | right, but I don't know for sure what type of current is there. All I know is that measuring with AC, it was 28VAC. | 02:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | But hopefully my meter would be smart enough to show nothing if I had the wrong selection. | 02:34 |
daviddelikat | if you dont have a meter that will measure 24 VDC than you sould not try to measure it... | 02:34 |
daviddelikat | the meter is not smart at all | 02:35 |
daviddelikat | is is just a simple circuit that either moves a needle or counts some clicks... | 02:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | well I'm going to have to get my relays from digikey, so I might as well make sure I'm getting the right ones :p | 02:35 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11225 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/adminConsole/adminConsole.js: fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE | 03:08 |
+perlDreamer | I gotta read that one | 03:12 |
+perlDreamer | to quote rizen, "you gotta be crapping me", Haarg | 03:12 |
@Haarg | yup | 03:12 |
@Haarg | need to force reflow. don't know why exactly, but it fixes the problem. | 03:13 |
+perlDreamer | note, to ameliorate the pain of crapping perlDreamer, eat lots of fiber, drink lots of water, and exercise regularly | 03:13 |
@Haarg | there was already code in there to do that which i added a long time ago | 03:13 |
@Haarg | but apparently it wasn't working anymore | 03:13 |
@Haarg | we should try upgrading tinymce to see if it resolves any of the bugs related to that | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | yes, but not today. | 03:14 |
@Haarg | yeah | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | It's time to release | 03:14 |
+perlDreamer | it's safe to backport that to 7.6 | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | ? | 03:15 |
@Haarg | backport what? | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | nm, you already did | 03:15 |
+perlDreamer | I'm starting to feel like a broken record | 03:16 |
@Haarg | the second page of the bug list is all rich editor, help desk, and pb.com/webgui.org | 03:17 |
@Haarg | oh, except the ldap issue | 03:17 |
* Haarg needs a permanent ldap test server | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | me, too | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | I've been looking at Net::LDAP::Server::Test | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | but the docs are poor | 03:18 |
+perlDreamer | and it's really just a wrapper around Net::LDAP::Server | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | which also has poor docs | 03:19 |
+perlDreamer | there are two other bugs on that page which may be core | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | duplicate emails | 03:20 |
+perlDreamer | and old gallery on old browsers | 03:20 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11226 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE | 03:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11227 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: note ie admin panel fix in changelog | 03:22 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11228 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible | 03:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11229 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible | 03:54 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: graham * r11230 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fix massively misplaced changelog entry | 03:54 |
+Radix_ | morning ppls | 04:18 |
+Radix_ | does anyone know if there's a debian lenny version of the wre 0.9.3 floating around anywhere? | 04:18 |
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+perlDreamer | the news on the street is that it is being worked on | 04:21 |
+Radix_ | hmm.. I updated my system from etch to lenny and now my mod-perl apache sigfaults constantly | 04:22 |
+Radix_ | no idea why upgrading distro like that would've affected my wre install, but need to do something to resurrect the box | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | it uses system libraries? | 04:23 |
+Radix_ | I guess so | 04:24 |
+perlDreamer | that's why it broke | 04:25 |
* Radix_ downloads the wre-0.9.3-source and looks at compiling it from scratch. | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | there ya go, beat them to the punch | 04:26 |
+Radix_ | my 1ghz mini-itx box is going to complain compiling it all tho ;) | 04:27 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add tests for removing ./ and ../ | 04:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Tweak it for handling multiple sets of those. | 04:37 |
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CIA-23 | WebGUI: Add tests for multiple, non-adjacent ./ and ../ | 04:37 |
CIA-23 | WebGUI: Cleanup test comments. | 04:37 |
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elnino_ | hmmm. what table holds the old urls of an asset for 7.5? the dbschema on the wiki has a new field in assetHistory called url that doesn't seem to be present in 7.5 | 05:25 |
+perlDreamer | assetData | 05:26 |
+perlDreamer | all urls are in assetData | 05:26 |
@Haarg | assethistory is just a log | 05:26 |
elnino_ | that's what I thought. | 05:26 |
elnino_ | hmm. | 05:26 |
@Haarg | it is never queried | 05:26 |
elnino_ | ok. my bad.. | 05:27 |
elnino_ | thanks. | 05:27 |
@Haarg | the url was added to that because in the past you would purge an asset, and all the history table had was the asset id | 05:27 |
elnino_ | how do i make the date readable from assetData? | 05:27 |
@Haarg | made it hard to find out what appened | 05:27 |
elnino_ | good idea. | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | it was your idea, elnino_ :) | 05:27 |
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elnino_ | it was? | 05:27 |
+perlDreamer | I'm almost sure it was one of your RFEs | 05:28 |
elnino_ | I ususally have good ideas. lol/ | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | So, let me ask your opinion on this | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | what's more useful | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | An account plugin that shows your personal karma log and history | 05:28 |
+perlDreamer | or an account plugin that shows a user what groups they are in | 05:28 |
elnino_ | to an webgui admin-type person or to a customer? | 05:29 |
+perlDreamer | let's say customer/common user | 05:29 |
+perlDreamer | an admin type can always use the admin console to find out the groups for a user | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | but there's currently no access to the karma log | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | but not many sites use karma | 05:30 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm kind of up in the air as to which to build | 05:30 |
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elnino_ | just a sec. | 05:31 |
elnino_ | well as a user for the webgui site, I do believe I wished to see my karma history once. | 05:34 |
elnino_ | and I think it would be relatively easy for an admin to create a report that would show a user what group they are in. - and probably could just post it to the bazzaar | 05:35 |
elnino_ | so.. | 05:35 |
elnino_ | and thereis a macro that shows what subscriptiosn a user has subscribed to right? | 05:35 |
elnino_ | I'm not quite sure then why a user would want to konw what groups they are in (unless they are subscriptions) | 05:36 |
elnino_ | so I guess I'd go with #1. | 05:36 |
elnino_ | (and I don't know if a user would even know that they may be part of more than one group) - another reason to go with #1 | 05:37 |
elnino_ | hope that helps? | 05:37 |
+perlDreamer | it does | 05:37 |
elnino_ | how do I make assetData revisionDate nice looking in a report? | 05:51 |
+perlDreamer | you can use one of mysql's date formatting subroutines | 05:59 |
elnino_ | is webgui's dates epoch? | 06:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 06:00 |
+perlDreamer | from_unixtime(revisionDate) should work | 06:00 |
elnino_ | is there a way to "title" sub queries in a report? | 06:01 |
+perlDreamer | in an SQL Report? | 06:01 |
elnino_ | yep. | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think so | 06:02 |
daviddelikat | anybody know the best way to disable a buttin in JS? | 06:04 |
* perlDreamer doesn't know any way to do that | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | there's probably a DOM method for it, though | 06:04 |
+perlDreamer | like button.disable? | 06:04 |
daviddelikat | yes, and I just figured out Im using it the wrong way... | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | this is usually where preaction steps in and schools me in JS | 06:05 |
+perlDreamer | wrong way? | 06:05 |
daviddelikat | the cool thing about JS is that it doesn't care what you tell it to do | 06:05 |
daviddelikat | you can give it a function as a value and it will happily look at it and pass by | 06:05 |
daviddelikat | if you wanted it to run the function you will be disapointed though... | 06:06 |
+perlDreamer | so it's not disabling? | 06:07 |
daviddelikat | indeed | 06:07 |
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daviddelikat | now it will though because I told it to do what it needs to do... | 06:08 |
+perlDreamer | how does one do that? | 06:09 |
daviddelikat | something like this: YAHOO.util.Dom.get("elementID").disabled = true|false; | 06:11 |
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elnino_ | isn't assetHistory log deletes? | 06:12 |
elnino_ | I'm trying to get to an asset by url and I'm brought to a trash can that doesn't list it. so I'm confused as to the statusof this particular asset. | 06:13 |
+perlDreamer | that's odd | 06:14 |
+perlDreamer | in recent WebGUI's the assetHistory logs trashing an asset, and purging an asset | 06:14 |
elnino_ | the assetHistory doesn't say it was deletd. | 06:14 |
+perlDreamer | check the system trash? | 06:15 |
elnino_ | I do see purging of a particular revision | 06:15 |
elnino_ | yep. | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | what is the status and state in the assetData and asset tables | 06:15 |
elnino_ | approved. | 06:15 |
elnino_ | however, there is a pagelayout with children in the trash that I think it may be under. | 06:16 |
elnino_ | so apparantly if a parent is trashed the log doesn't log that the children were trashed. | 06:16 |
elnino_ | let me verify | 06:16 |
+perlDreamer | ah yes, I think that's called clipboard-limbo | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | but it also refers to the trash | 06:17 |
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+perlDreamer | 7.6.26 FTW | 06:22 |
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-!- perlDreamer changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.6.26-stable | 7.7.9-beta | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com | 06:23 |
+patspam | release on brother perlDreamer | 06:23 |
+perlDreamer | it's out there | 06:24 |
+patspam | sounds like a line from the x files | 06:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you are doing releases now? | 06:28 |
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+releaseMonkey | I'm afraid so, perlmonkey2 | 06:30 |
elnino_ | where is the trash? can I have a naviation asset for it? | 06:31 |
elnino_ | so I can see deleted children? | 06:31 |
+releaseMonkey | the only way to see the children of a deleted asset is to restore the deleted parent | 06:31 |
+releaseMonkey | as far as I know | 06:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | colink added the webgui-7.6.26-stable.tar.gz file, 11 minutes ago | 06:32 |
+releaseMonkey | Trash is an asset state, not a destination, elnino_ | 06:33 |
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+perlmonkey2 | there is way too much productivity going on here for me. hasta la manana. | 06:34 |
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elnino_ | sure, that makes sense. | 06:34 |
daviddelikat | is there a rule of sorts about how names are supposed to be displayed in WG? | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of names? | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | usernames | 06:35 |
daviddelikat | I'm woprking on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/9726 | 06:35 |
+perlDreamer | asset names? | 06:35 |
daviddelikat | and I'm not sure why its a bug | 06:35 |
daviddelikat | user names | 06:35 |
daviddelikat | brb | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think people are expecting to see full names, versus account names | 06:36 |
+perlDreamer | so it seems odd that you search for a username, but get displayed a full name | 06:37 |
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daviddelikat | I figured it was something like that... | 06:39 |
daviddelikat | the wierd thing is the code goes through a lot of | 06:39 |
daviddelikat | trouble to get the name the way it comes out and I wasn't sure if I | 06:39 |
daviddelikat | shoudl just eliminate it or supliment it.... | 06:39 |
daviddelikat | the search checks all three name pieces for a match to identify users | 06:40 |
+perlDreamer | it does? | 06:40 |
daviddelikat | IF(((select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and firstName is not null and firstName <> "") + (select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and lastName is not null and lastName <> "")) = 2,concat(lastName,", ",firstName),username) as username | 06:41 |
daviddelikat | kinda nasty | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | in that case, I'd just append either the username to that | 06:41 |
+perlDreamer | username field from users table | 06:41 |
daviddelikat | do you mean the userID? | 06:42 |
daviddelikat | cuz i already have it | 06:42 |
+perlDreamer | users.username | 06:43 |
daviddelikat | I see | 06:44 |
daviddelikat | that is what the above yukiness will produce if either the first of last name is blank or null | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | it seems like it should either return what was searched for (which is nasty), or it should return all searchable info about the user, firstName, lastName, username | 06:51 |
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+perlDreamer | daviddelikat, I'm getting ready to call it a night. Any last second questions? | 06:59 |
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+Radix_ | Hmm.. imagemagick failed to compile | 09:20 |
+Radix_ | looks like it got to the link stage and then went '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl' | 09:20 |
+Radix_ | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5c82717d | 09:21 |
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SynQ1 | demo.webgui.nl updated to 7. | 10:06 |
SynQ1 | 7.6.26 even | 10:06 |
+Radix_ | hey koen | 10:13 |
+Radix_ | SynQ1: you managed to build wre 0.9.3 on debian lenny yet? | 10:14 |
SynQ1 | Radix_: nope, but I have managed to build it on debian etch and found that the version works just fine on debian lenny | 10:15 |
+Radix_ | Ahh k | 10:16 |
+Radix_ | I've run into a prob compiling imagemagick on mine | 10:16 |
SynQ1 | that is normal | 10:16 |
+Radix_ | posted it up on the forums - http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-0.9.3-source-compile-on-debian-lenny#id_kkX8zAsdccm-b6klA9pig | 10:16 |
+Radix_ | yeah.. imagemagick always seems to be a prob.. I just don't know what to do to appease it ;) | 10:17 |
SynQ1 | well | 10:17 |
SynQ1 | there are about 500 commandline options to configure | 10:17 |
SynQ1 | if you would figure out the right ones for lenny I would be pleased :P | 10:17 |
+Radix_ | heh.. me too! | 10:17 |
+Radix_ | if I can't get it working I'll just go to Squonk's debian packages instead. | 10:18 |
SynQ1 | wouldn't recommend that either | 10:18 |
+Radix_ | no? | 10:18 |
SynQ1 | hang on I'll get you a download link for the debian etch compiled version | 10:18 |
SynQ1 | of wre 0.9.3 | 10:19 |
+Radix_ | ahh.. neat | 10:19 |
SynQ1 | I hope the upload will succeed | 10:24 |
SynQ1 | bugger | 10:24 |
SynQ1 | it didn't | 10:24 |
SynQ1 | where was that wiki page again... | 10:25 |
SynQ1 | ah | 10:29 |
SynQ1 | here it is: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 10:29 |
+Radix_ | Ahh | 10:30 |
SynQ1 | now I'm uploading the wre tarball again :P | 10:31 |
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