WebGUI irc logs from: 2009-06.log

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Mech422SynQ2: ping?02:55
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11078 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: Prevent head tags from appearing twice in wobjects.05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: prepareView sets the extra head tags. Have all wobjects, in their www_view method,05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: tell processStyle not to set the extra head tags again.05:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11079 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Backporting duplicated extraHeadTags fix.05:22
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elninowhat is wuc 2008's website? I'm trying to remember the dates for that event....07:30
elninonever mind found it.. Thanks! Have a good night.07:31
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JohnRestrepoHi guys17:46
JohnRestrepogot a question about the way webgui encrypt the passwords17:46
JohnRestrepois this md5 128?17:47
JohnRestrepoor 64?17:47
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+perlmonkey2JohnRestrepo: Digest::MD5 says it produces a 128 bit fingerprint.18:36
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11080 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Add missing edit story and delete story icons in the view method of the Story Archive.19:39
perlmonkey21If there a WebGUI standard way of finding all the subclasses of a class?19:50
+perlDreamerif you mean like finding out that WebGUI::Asset::Wobject is a subclass of WebGUI::Asset19:51
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: okay, I'll just stick a list somewhere.19:52
+perlDreamerwould $obj->isa('Base::Class') do the job?19:52
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: no, I need a list to determine which object to create.19:53
perlmonkey21Actually an edit list for the user to determine which class should be used.19:53
perlmonkey21But it should be the sum total of all available subclasses, which makes sense to add them to a conf entry.19:54
+perlDreamerSounds good to me19:54
+perlDreamerI need to take better notes20:06
+perlDreamerI was doing some bugfixing in the StoryArchive20:06
+perlDreamerand i noticed something else that I wanted to fix20:06
+perlDreamerbut I wanted to keep the commits small and topical20:06
+perlDreamerso I held off doing it right away20:06
+perlDreamernow I can't remember what it was20:06
perlmonkey21where do you normally keep your notes?20:08
+perlDreamerI use TomBoy on the desktop20:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11081 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Add edit and delete icons to the Story Topic. Update tests. Adjust both20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: sets of templates. Use the correct privileges for displaying the icons.20:10
CIA-23WebGUI: Help and i18n.20:10
+perlDreamerit was important, too, dang it!20:10
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: heh, sweet, so do I.  Very handy for quick notes.20:10
perlmonkey21you ready for the F11 release?  8 more days :D20:12
+perlDreamerI'm hoping they fix some long standing bugs with my laptop, but it's a small hope20:12
+perlDreamerthe microphone works on some releases, but not others20:13
+perlDreamerand, if I cold boot my laptop without the power supply plugged in, the keyboard and mouse don't work 80% of the time20:13
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: same here.  No problems with mics in F9, but F10 has been a pain.20:13
+perlDreamerkind of puts the kink in portability20:13
perlmonkey21what kind of laptop do you have?20:14
+perlDreamerDell Vostro 151020:14
+perlDreamernice little box, aside from those issues20:14
+perlDreamerlight and fast, nice display20:14
perlmonkey21strange, i'm running a vostro 1700 without issue20:14
perlmonkey2164 bit install?20:15
perlmonkey21ah, I'm running 6420:15
perlmonkey21not sure why that would make a difference.20:16
+perlDreamerare all the vostros 64 bit machines?20:16
perlmonkey21perlDreamer: depends on the proc you got, but I'd imagine so if it is even kind of recent.20:31
perlmonkey21I think some Vostro's were sold with Pentium M's for a while, but mine is one of the mobile dual cores with 64 bit archs.20:33
@Haargperlmonkey21, what class were you wondering about finding subclasses of?20:34
perlmonkey21Haarg: a new one that isn't in core.20:34
@Haargif there is a time when you want a full list of subclasses, there is WebGUI::Pluggable::find20:35
perlmonkey21Haarg: sweet, I'll play with that.  Thanks.20:35
@Haargwell, sub namespaces really.  subclasses could have any package name.20:35
perlmonkey21yeah, I need subnamespaces :)20:35
@Haargdepending on what you are doing though, the config file may be a better idea anyway20:35
perlmonkey21I just want the total list of classes which can be selected.  Doing it programmatically just means one less place an admin can mess up :P20:36
@Haargwell, sometimes admins have reasons for removing some subclasses from being selected20:38
+perlDreamerI remembered it20:38
+perlDreamerThe Story Archive and Story Topic need to be labeled beta in the Admin Console20:38
+perlDreamerAnd several other Assets, too20:39
@Haargare they beta quality?20:40
@Haargthe main reason we've done that in the past is because of things having lots of bugs20:40
+perlDreamerI thought we just did that for stuff that was very new20:40
+perlDreamerI mean, Map and StoryManager are so new that hardly anyone has used them20:41
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@preactionfrom what I can tell we don't need to label either (beta), as the Story Manager works great, and the Map is so simple that there isn't much there to break.22:25
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+perlDreamerit was already too hot22:57
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11082 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix Project Manager calling wrong method on right object. www_viewScreen now23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: uses mobile template if so enabled via calling processStyle.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11083 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File.pm File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm): Fix POD, and remove dead label/hoverhelp code which isn't used.23:23
@preactioni wonder if we can ask some of the i18n translators to start marking certain strings as duplicates of other strings23:29
@preactionso we can reduce the i18n size in webgui23:30
@preactioni mean, we've probably translated the word "Save" about a dozen times in all the files23:30
+perlDreamerI think the real problem is on our end23:31
+perlDreamerit's hard to lookup i18n23:31
+perlDreamerso we end up just making new labels23:32
@preactionright, but if our i18n translation tool can make a report of what items are duplicates, we can then go in and quickly fix them23:34
@preactionok: quick and urgent: How can I fix a single asset's (and descendants) lineage? it currently looks like this: 2TWIDU23:36
+perlDreamerI believe that cascadeLineage is what you want23:36
+perlDreamerfix the lineage of the parent, and then call that and it should ripple down and fix them all23:37
@rizenuse rebuildLineage.pl23:37
@rizenand see if you can find out what happened to screw up the lineage in that way23:38
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11084 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/ (File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm File.pm): Backport POD and code cleanup for File and Photo23:38
@preactionif i use rebuildLineage.pl, what happens to all the things they have ordered by rank? they've got some apps that use rank extensively (navigations and collaborations)23:39
@preactionif they have to re-do it, and it's the only way, then that's the only way23:39
@preactionit looks like the lineage it wanted to be was already taken for some reason23:40
@preactioni've got an image, and i'll investigate later23:41
@preactionwhat if i replaced the "XXXXXX" with "000001999999"?23:42
@preactionthat would put it under the root in a safe place then i could move it back to where it really supposed to be23:42
+perlDreamerthat will lock out any new assets from being added to that level23:42
@preactionthen some other insanely high number will work23:43
@preactionthe idea being that the number isn't in use, so it will fit23:43
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@preactionor i could just do what i did and setParent( $ROOT_ASSET )00:06
@rizenif it has a rank that's usable00:07
@rizenthen rebuildLineage will keep that rank00:07
@rizenthings only lose their rank if they don't have a usable rank of any kind00:07
@rizensuch as in the case where a lineage looks like IDLJKLDJKLJDJKLJDKJDKLHJKDL00:07
@rizenrebuildLineage.pl is as safe as it can possibly be for what kind of a tool it is00:08
@rizenjust make sure you shut off the site while you run it00:08
@preactionoh, that'd be another problem00:08
@rizenso users don't try to move sutff while you are moving it00:08
@preactionbut it doesn't take long00:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.pm: Don't make a 2nd i18n object.00:08
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Mech422*sniffle* hello00:39
Mech422not too close - don't want you to catch my cold00:39
Mech422perlDreamer1: ping?00:42
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Mech422hey :-)00:43
Mech422Oh! perfect timing00:43
Mech422rizen, PD - I ran some more testing this weekend00:43
Mech422is it possible changes in wre caused IM breakage?00:43
@rizenyou mean something other than IM itself?00:44
Mech422I can run the test suits for both IM and PerlMagic without issue00:44
Mech422rizen: yeah...00:44
@rizenme too00:44
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@rizenthe test suites are not extensive though00:44
@rizenand image magick in general works00:44
@rizenit just doesn't work for graphing00:44
@rizenwith our graphing api00:44
Mech422Would it be possible to expand PD's test case to get more debugging info ?00:45
Mech422rizen: oh - I got 9.3 snapshot from friday building on amd600:45
Mech422rizen: need to talk about re-jiggering the build stuff as I had to build/patch a lot of stuff by hand00:45
@rizenoh wait, are  you talking about pD's test suite, or image magick's test suite?00:46
Mech422rizen: IM test suit passes, PD's doesnt'00:46
perlDreamer1Mech422, didn't you find that IM in WRE was built without graphics or fonts?00:47
perlDreamer1no png, no jpeg, no truetype?00:47
Mech422perlDreamer1: yeah - the build is just generally horked00:47
Mech422perlDreamer1: half the stuff gets built with the system libtool, then we build a libtool, but don't put it on the $PATH...00:48
Mech422perlDreamer1: I gave up and just rebuilt stuff by hand to make sure all the right pieces were picked up00:48
perlDreamer1can we diff the master build scripts between 0.9.1 and 0.9.3 to see what's changed?00:49
Mech422perlDreamer1: these look a lot different then the 'stable' build script - I think it might have been a re-write00:49
perlDreamer1you know I'm WRE ignorant, so please forgive the next question.  Can the old 0.9.1 build script be used on the 0.9.3 versions of software?00:50
Mech422I'd actually like to just re-write the build scritps - it shouldn't take more then a couple of hours00:51
@rizenversion number incompatibilities everywhere00:51
@rizenmech422 wtf would you want to do that00:51
perlDreamer1Mech422, but isn't a rewrite the problem that got us here in the first place?00:51
Mech422rizen: cuz it would take longer to fix the existing stuff ?00:51
@rizenwhenever i here "rewrite" about anything, i assume the person is ignorant or obtuse00:51
Mech422rizen: don't assume00:51
@rizenyou assume there is something wrong with the current ones00:52
@rizenthey build just fine on all of my platforms00:52
@rizensave image magick00:52
@rizenand even image magick works00:52
@rizenexcept for poll charts00:52
Mech422rizen: no - I know there is something wrong with them - did you ever _read_ the build output ?00:52
@rizenof course i did00:52
@rizeni wrote the damn build script00:52
Mech422rizen: so why is libtool built half way thru the chain, then not used ?00:52
@rizenit isn't, on my boxes00:53
Mech422its should either be build _first_ and _used_ or not built at all ?00:53
Mech422it isn't ?? are we talking about 9.3 ??00:53
@rizenif you have a proposal for making something better, explain what will be better about it00:54
@rizenbeyond that, telling me you're going to rewrite something isn't useful in the least00:54
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@rizenwhat do we get by rewriting it00:54
Mech422rizen: first off - you should check your build and see if your seeing what I see...00:55
Mech422otherwise there are bigger issues00:55
+perlDreamer1Mech422, and are you able to run some unaltered scripts on a 32-bit box to double check?00:55
Mech422pd - not on 32 - dont' have one handy...00:56
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Mech422but surely someone has a 32bit box they can >& | tee the build log too ?00:56
@Haargmech422, what distro are you using?00:57
Mech422but I'm seeing stuff like: stuff being built and not used, system libs being used instead of wre custom libs, libraries not being found00:57
Mech422haarg: I'm on debian lenny00:57
@rizenSynQ2 builds on lenny00:57
@rizen32 bit00:57
@rizenhe also hasn't reported what you['re seeing00:58
@rizenhe may not have looked00:58
@rizendon't know00:58
@rizenbut he can compile cleanly00:58
+perlDreamerWebGUI1, SynQ2: ping00:58
Mech422ok - in the original build.sh I have from friday - if you grep for 'libtool' - does it show up ?00:59
Mech422should be in buildUtils - also readline is in there...00:59
@rizeni'm not saying it doesn't build libtool01:00
@rizeni'm saying it uses it after it builds it01:00
@rizenhow do i know?01:00
@rizencuz if i take it out01:00
@rizenthen stuff stops building01:01
@rizeni could be more precise than that01:01
@rizenbut i don't have a build log in front of me just now01:01
@rizenone thing i know that uses it, is image magick01:02
Mech422ok - lets say I'm mistaken and it is being used - should it be used for _all_ the wre libs and not just some of them (ie shouldn't it be built first?)01:02
@rizenit actually shouldn't matter as far as i'm aware01:03
@rizenwe've been running the wre for 5 years now like this, and it works01:04
@rizenis it a bad practice01:04
@rizendon't know01:04
@rizenall i really care about is that shit works01:04
Mech422so if it shouldn't matter - why build it ?01:04
Mech422it just adds time and space ?01:04
@rizeni just told you01:04
@rizenimage magick won't build if you don't build it01:04
Mech422you just said it shouldn't matter ?01:05
@rizenevery single thing in the wre is in there for a reason01:05
Mech422ok then..01:05
@rizeni said it didn't matter if EVERYTHING was built using that lib tool01:05
@rizeni didn't say libtool didn't matter01:05
Mech422so wouldn't it be a good thing if openssl was built with the same libtool that apache and mysql are ?01:05
@rizeni don' tknow, would it?01:05
@rizenand if so, why would it01:06
@rizenand why should i care if it works?01:06
@rizenis it faster?01:06
@rizenbetter in some measurable way?01:06
Mech422because linking stuff with different options can cause bad things to happen01:06
Mech422libtool sets the options used to create shared libraries and such01:07
Mech422creating libs with different sets of options can be very bad01:07
@rizencould you be more specific01:07
@rizen"bad things" is too vague01:07
@rizenwhat kind of bad things01:07
Mech422ok - it could break on 64bit stuff :-P01:07
@rizenit could, or does?01:08
Mech422you could be mixing -O levels, symbol manginging  C vs C++ calling conventions01:08
Mech422rizen: I dont _know_ - I just don't do that01:08
Mech422rizen: I don't play with fire to see how many types of burns I can get01:08
@rizenthen you and i are just 2 idiots stumbling around in the dark it sounds like01:09
Mech422oh god01:09
@rizeni don't know01:09
@rizenyou don't know01:09
Mech422you seriously are gonna say you don't know if thats a bad idea ?01:09
@rizeni'm not trying to piss you off01:09
@rizeni'm trying to understand01:09
@rizenand to be educated, i'm not going to educate myself with someone else's gueses01:09
Mech422and would use C extensions created for perl 5.8 (blibs or whatever) in a perl 5.10 environment without recompiling them ?01:10
@rizeni've already said i don't know if it's a bad idea. all i know for sure is that it works.01:10
@rizenwho's doing that? 01:10
@rizennot me01:10
Mech422noo - but your happy to do it with C code (via libtool)01:11
hanswguys, seeing you having this discussion, a question rises here, will webgui run on parrot? :-)01:11
@preactionhansw: not presently, because perl5 does not run on parrot01:11
@rizenhansw: no, because there is no perl5 build for parrot01:11
hanswI did type a smiley :-)01:11
@rizenMech422: i'm happy to change the order and see if it still compiles, if that's what you're trying to get at.01:12
hanswok, time to get some sleep, maybe even work on webgui tomorrow, night all01:12
@rizenall i'm saying, and all i've been saying this entire time is that build.sh is a known quantity. it does work, and has worked for more than 5 years01:12
@rizennight hansw 01:13
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Mech422rizen: comment it out on a box that has libtool installed... and see if it builds01:14
Mech422rizen: my box _has_ libtool already, and thats was gets used01:14
Mech422(unless I totally missed something)01:14
@rizenall of the boxes that i compile on already have libtool01:15
Mech422rizen: Hmm - I could go into the IM dir and make configure but thats gonna get my system libtool01:15
@rizenand i already know it won't work01:15
@rizenlibjpeg it turns out is the thing that won't build on my system without libtool01:16
Mech422rizen: and I don't see where /wre/prereqs/bin is added to $PATH to pick up the wre libtool01:16
@rizensetevnironment of course01:16
@rizenline 69201:16
@rizencalls set environment01:16
@rizenthis is the very first line of setenvironment.sh01:17
@rizenexport PATH=/data/wre/prereqs/bin:/data/wre/prereqs/sbin:/data/wre/sbin:/data/wre/bin:$PATH01:17
Mech422that I didn't know/see/find01:19
Mech422in that case - moving libtool up to be one of the first things built would ensure the same tool is used for all libs 01:21
Mech422I needed these: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2c11d28a  options for the freetype compile01:24
Mech422and these options for image magick: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m11c1d06001:25
Mech422using --with-gnu-ld I didn't need the LD=ld thing - not sure if that was for a specific platform or something01:25
Mech422  $SSLCFGOPTS ./config --prefix=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs shared; checkError $? "o01:26
Mech422penssl configure"01:26
Mech422that won't work in bash01:26
Mech422its only enabled on 64bit builds - but $SSLCFGOPTS won't expand the way you think it will01:27
Mech422has to do with funky bashisms - I spent an hour on #bash trying to find how to make it work and just coded around it01:27
@rizeni don't mean to sound ungrateful, but could you send me an email with this stuff or better yet, put it right into build.sh01:27
@rizenrather than typing it all into IRC01:27
@rizeni am working on fixing the current image magick problem, not concerning myself with 64 compile problems right at the moment01:28
Mech422rizen: yeah - I ran the complete webgui test suite, the IM test suite adn the Perlmagic test suite01:29
Mech422I'd guess the problem is something in wre changed how it works with IM - IM, PM, and everything else wre seem fine01:29
Mech422perlDreamer has the logs from the test suite run01:30
+perlDreamerthe last test suite run said that IM was pretty broken, Mech422.01:30
+perlDreamerStorage/Image and several other tests had failures01:30
+perlDreameryou haven't sent me logs from the latest and greatest 64-bit compile01:30
Mech422Umm - yeah, we know IM is broken in wre01:31
Mech422or did those test pass for rizen ?01:31
@rizenhow do you do the equivalent of "svn export" in git01:31
@Haargfrom a remote repository or a local one?01:32
@rizeni have the repo locally, but i don't care, any way will o01:33
@Haargi haven't actually done that so i'd have to look01:33
@Haarggit checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/destination/path/01:34
@Haargi'm sure the extra options and obtuse command name will win your favor01:34
@rizenyeah, gotta love git's user friendliness01:36
@rizenhow the hell is anybody ever supposed to remember that01:36
@Haargbetter than the export command i have in my .gitconfig01:38
@Haarggit archive --format=tar HEAD | (mkdir -p $0 && cd $0 && tar xf -)01:38
@rizennot really01:39
@rizenthe one you just gave me works01:39
@rizensorry, i mean doesn't work01:39
@rizenno error01:39
@rizenjust returned to the command line01:39
@rizennothing happens01:39
@Haargyou are in the local git repo's directory?01:40
@Haargit did work for me when i just tried it01:40
@rizenfigured it out01:43
@rizenif you don't put a / at the end of your prefix01:44
@rizenthen it prepends the prefix to all the folder name01:44
@rizeni did: git checkout-index -a -f --prefix=/tmp/wrebuild01:44
@rizenand ended up with wrebuildsbin01:44
@Haargwould be nice if they had a porcelain command for that01:45
@rizenwould be nice if git didn't suck so much. =)01:45
@rizenjust kidding haarg. what are you doing with that gun.01:45
@rizenput it away01:45
@rizenthis is not the time or place01:45
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@rizenluckily for me i have 94 lives01:46
@Haargyeah, and i only have one accurate bullet01:47
+perlDreamer94 rizens on wall01:47
+perlDreamer94 rizens01:47
+perlDreamertake one down and shoot it!01:47
+perlDreamer93 rizens on the wall01:48
+perlDreamerthis is going to take a long time01:48
+perlDreamerforeach (reverse 1..93) { sprintf "%d rizens on wall\n%d rizens\ntake one down and shoot it!\n%d rizens on the wall\n", $_, $_, $_-1}01:50
+perlDreamerdidn't want it to actually run01:52
+perlDreameror were you suggesting that I run something in Template::Toolkit instead?01:53
@Haargyou are too nice01:53
+perlDreameryeah, also practical01:53
+perlDreamerthis channel is logged01:53
+perlDreamerand if rizen is found with 93 bullet holes, it'd look suspicious01:53
Mech422rizen: could you check it t/Asset/File/Image.t passes on your build please ?02:00
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@rizenhave you ever noticed that both the world and IRC continue moving even when you're not there02:29
@rizenMech422: no i cannot. i'm rebuilding the wre right now02:29
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@preactioni found the problem: AssetManager called setRank, but setRank failed somewhere. writing some tests to make this not happen again02:30
+perlDreamerthere are some setRank tests in AssetLineage02:33
@preactionwith full coverage. of course.02:34
* perlDreamer is shamed02:34
@preactioni'm looking at it right now, full coverage. the 0 up there is POD02:34
+perlDreamerthat can't be possible02:35
+perlDreamerit doesn't test for max rank?02:35
CIA-23wrebuild: JT Smith master * rad7ad52 / (4 files in 2 dirs): changing image magick version to -10 - http://bit.ly/10onbn02:35
@preactioni think that's what cascadeLineage checks02:35
@rizenhey! somebody updated CIA to support git02:35
@preactionyup ;)02:35
@preactionand the git support is far faster than the svn support02:35
@rizennice job preaction02:35
@preactionoh, i think it was haarg02:35
@rizenoh well good job haarg then02:36
@preactionbut anyway, i'll write tests for the AssetManager then, because that is what calls set rank and blows things up02:36
+perlDreameryou can setRank to anything you want in the world02:38
+perlDreamerthe only thing that checks is getNextChildRank02:38
@preactionit's a necessary feature right now though02:38
+perlDreamerit is?02:38
+perlDreamerwhat if I setRank to xxyyzz702:38
@preactionbecause the way setRank works, it sets one asset to a randomly generated GUID string, then does the swap02:39
@preactionsince the GUID has no chance of being "00001", it won't show up while the work's being done02:39
+perlDreamergood point02:39
@rizenthe rank is never set to a guid02:39
@rizenthe url is02:39
@preactionthe lineage is set to a random string so that we can move things around02:40
+perlDreamerrizen, it's 906 in AssetLineage02:40
@preactionproblem is, setRank seems to get halfway through and then stops. and i think it's because multiple ranks are getting changed during the same request (something we've never allowed until the new asset manager)02:40
@rizenthat's dumb02:41
@rizeni'm stupid for doing that02:41
@preactioneh, it works. though it could be anything like 000002 or 00000502:41
+perlDreamerthose are valid GUID substrings02:41
@preactionit also ensures that during the operation (which could be long), the assets don't show up anywhere02:42
@preactionso it's part of being thread-safe02:42
@rizenyeah, but we could do 000000 as a prefix02:42
@rizenthat's a root that doesn't exist02:42
@rizenbecause the root is 00000102:43
@rizenthat would also ensure the same thing02:43
@rizenbut would still be a valid lineage02:43
+perlDreamerbut what if two people move things in the asset manager at the same time?02:43
+perlDreamerI know, that's rare02:43
@rizenyou either generate a random number or an incrementer after the prefix02:44
@rizen000000 00000102:44
@rizenor 000000 03039402:44
@preactionwhat if we use the tempspace folder? that way if the setRank dies for some weird reason, it's easier to recover while we investigate what caused it02:44
@rizen"000000" . sprint("%06d", rand(999999)) ought to work nicely02:45
@rizensprintf that is02:45
@rizenwe could also use tempspace02:46
@rizenthat's valid02:46
@rizenjust know that if it gets left in there for 6 hours02:46
@rizenit will be deleted02:46
@rizenactually it may not even be 6 hours02:46
@rizeni don't remember how long the timeout is02:46
@rizeni think it's 6 hours02:46
@preactionokay, maybe not so good. 000000 better02:46
@rizenbut it might just be 102:46
@preactionit's easy to write a little script that moves the asset from 000000 to 00000102:46
@preactionin fact, that's how i fixed the client site02:47
@preactionit works even with X#HN$S02:47
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Mech422stupid question...03:26
Mech422has the hash dir handling for uploads changed in 9.3 ?03:26
Mech422according to the Poll.t test, its looking for : 03:27
Mech422but /data/domains/test1/public/uploads/temp/6c doesn't _exist_ ??03:27
@preactionis there an error in the webgui.log file? perhaps about not being able to create the temp/6c directory?03:29
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r5555a5a / (5 files in 3 dirs): Cherry-picked survey files from master - http://bit.ly/vaDDp03:29
Mech422preaction: which log would that be? all I can find is the access log ?03:33
@preactionthe webgui log should be in /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log03:33
Mech422wow - now the whole /temp is gone... I wonder if the test harness creates that ?03:34
@preactionyes, it's a temporary storage location03:34
@preactionit should clean itself up03:35
@preactionthis is now the third bug i have to "fix" that i can't reproduce: Somehow a user can screw up a large portion of the site's lineage from the web interface03:35
* perlDreamer has a guess on how to reproduce03:38
@preactionbig, slow site?03:38
@preactionand a user submitting content while the lineage is being cascaded?03:38
+perlDreamerperhaps, I was more thinking that the "random" GUID actually clashed03:38
@preactionnot possible, there were no errors in the logs03:39
@preactionit's like the process just stopped halfway through03:39
@preactioni checked for duplicate key errors, none03:39
+perlDreamerit would fail before making a duplicate lineage03:40
+perlDreamersince the column is marked as unique03:40
+perlDreamerand it would throw an error into at least apache error log03:40
@preactionright, it would fail hard with a DUPLICATE KEY mysql error, which would be a fatal and would go all the way into the modperl log03:41
@preactionwell, in theory03:41
@preactionbut it's happened more than once on this site, and it has never happened to my knowledge on any other site03:41
+perlDreamerso what's so special about this one site?03:43
@preactionit's the Alumni site03:43
@preactionit's got a huge number of users, it's got 65,000 assets03:43
@preactionthe thing they were changing was a huge section, timed out actually (but still completed when I did it)03:44
+perlDreamerwhere do mysql errors get logged?03:45
@preactionwebgui log and modperl log (since they're fatal)03:45
@preactionchecked both, nothing fatal in either03:45
+perlDreamerwhere do the mysql daemons themselves log?03:45
@preactiondidn't check that03:46
+perlDreamerI'm just wondering how it would react to having mysqld go away in the middle03:46
@preactionbut last time mysql was restarted was 09052703:47
@preaction5 days ago, when there were some other problems that required restarting it03:47
CIA-23wrebuild: JT Smith master * r4e2690e / (build.sh getperlmodules.sh wre/docs/changelog.txt): 03:49
CIA-23wrebuild: added Test-Harness-3.1703:49
CIA-23wrebuild: repositioned libtool to go first in build sequence - http://bit.ly/sFWQe03:49
+perlDreamerTest-Harness 3.17!03:49
+perlDreamerrizen, you're awesome03:49
@rizeni'm welcome?03:49
+perlDreamersure, come on over anytime03:50
+perlDreamerI'll even pick you up at the airport03:50
+perlDreamerinstead of making you ride the max like when khenn comes to visit03:50
@preactionOH! What if while ONE setRank is running, another setRank gets run for that same asset?03:51
@preactionthe Proxy Error shows up, BUT the setRank keeps running (mod_perl process keeps going anyway)03:51
@preactionor maybe the proxy error actually stopped the setRank from continuing03:52
* preaction is reading the client's report. 03:53
@preactioni love the alumni group. they give us detailed reports, they don't leave out information, they don't make us ask a billion questions03:53
+perlDreamerdo they answer questions on bug reports?03:53
* perlDreamer has been waiting two weeks for a reponse from one user03:54
@preactionyep, usually right away even03:54
@preactionthey test thoroughly, usually coming up with corner cases nobody ever thought of03:54
@preactionthey are in almost every way a perfect client03:54
@preactionthere needs to be a mechanism where we can take these long-running process and make spectre or something non-user do them03:55
+perlDreamerI agree03:55
@preactiona way to just quick build a workflow, run it, and have it delete itself03:55
+perlDreamerand then notify the user via their inbox that they are done03:55
+perlDreamerlike assetExport03:56
+perlDreameror the editBranch03:56
@preactionor if we add some way to version lineage and be able to undo, the commit would be handled by spectre03:58
+perlDreamernot if it runs in realtime04:00
+perlDreamerwhich is the default04:00
+perlDreamerbut we can have it check for a timeout04:00
+perlDreamerand pick up in the right place04:00
@preactionyeah, that's easy enough04:00
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+perlDreamerokay, off for daddy time now04:06
+perlDreamerbe back later04:06
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11086 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm): Remove multiple delete buttons for photos in the Story. Ala GalleryFile/Photo.04:52
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r77b0080 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js : 04:53
CIA-23webgui: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults04:53
CIA-23webgui: are used (max,min,step all undefined) - http://bit.ly/PCrH204:53
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r382c5e0 / www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js : 04:53
CIA-23webgui: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug04:53
CIA-23webgui: Switched from document.getElementsByClassname to04:53
CIA-23webgui: YAHOO.util.DOM.getElementsByClassName - http://bit.ly/ucW5r04:53
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CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey Date question type server-side validation, and made05:07
CIA-23WebGUI: all validation messages generate debug output05:07
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11088 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: 05:07
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey Slider question type so that it works when defaults05:07
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11089 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/editsurvey/object.js: 05:07
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey edit page IE bug05:07
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+perlDreamerpreaction: is there a pastebin that lets you upload a file as paste contents?05:39
@preactioni don't know, i don't think so05:39
+perlDreamerI use the nopaste program that Haarg told me about05:41
+perlDreamerApp::Nopaste, I believe05:41
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CIA-23webgui: Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it05:51
CIA-23webgui: git-svn-id: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI@11090 ba3075da-5205-0410-b03c-ad9aa4846add - http://bit.ly/11MtyX05:51
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11090 /WebGUI/ (t/Asset/Wobject/Survey.t lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fixed naff Survey::takenCount bug, added explicit test for it05:54
+perlDreamerpatspam, what is "naff"?06:18
+patspamperlDreamer: I'll see if google can translate it for me into american06:36
+perlDreamergoogle translate doesn't seem to have an australian setting06:38
+perlDreamerthe language must be beyong the grasp of standard computational science!06:38
+perlDreamerwikipedia has it, though06:38
+perlDreamerand since I don't think  you were calling it heterosexual, you must mean "in bad taste"06:39
@preactionim thinking he meant "something that is poorly thought out, doesn't really work, or is otherwise not very good"06:42
Mech422what? you eman the Survey _Is_ available ?06:43
Mech422I know some guys in San Fran that have been dying to meet Survey....06:44
@preactionit's been available since 7.606:44
Mech422they are gonna be over joyed!06:44
+perlDreamerlike, totally06:44
@preaction7.7 has made it quite usable06:44
@preactionthere needs to be a way to let any asset be a map or a point on a map06:45
@preactionor somehow put points on a map06:45
@preactionsome kind of WebGUI::AssetAspect::Locator06:45
Mech422G'nite all :-)06:51
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+perlDreamerdo we have a WUC 2k9 map asset yet?06:55
+perlDreamerfor users to register where they come from?06:55
@preactionooh good idea06:56
@preactiononce tabb is done with fixing the crappy templates i threw together, we'll have to put one up06:57
+perlDreamerbut she'll only get to your crappy templates after she finishes with _my_ crappy templates06:57
+perlDreamerand trust me, mine are way crappier than yours06:57
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+perlDreamerpatspam, is your commit 11089 the fix for this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10425 ?07:33
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11091 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Keywords.pm): Fixed #9920 Survey: cannot add questions in IE10:22
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CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11092 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm t/Content/AssetManager.t): added tests for asset manager11:37
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Mech422anyone know the url for cloning the wre git repo ?13:39
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MagneticSo, anouther newb here. I have looked over the webgui.org docs quite a bit, however would anyone know of any good blogs that have indepth details and tutorials on the cms?15:44
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CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11094 /Too many paths: Merge changes in head into thingy-object-seperation branch16:23
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@bopbopSynQ2: got a minute?16:49
SynQ2here I am16:50
SynQ2what up?16:50
@bopbopare you sure you want to donate that much karma?16:51
@bopbopwe just wanted to give you the opportunity to be involved since it came so closely to your offer on the forums16:51
SynQ2well, if that means that plainblack is going to spend 100.000 karma 16:51
@bopbopok, I just don't want you to commit to it and then regret it16:51
SynQ2does it mean that I can submit to the contest too?16:52
SynQ2so for each entry I put in myself I can support 9 more entries16:52
@bopbopthe karma for submission is per user16:53
SynQ2oh but not in my suggestion16:53
@bopbopwe used to do per entry16:53
@bopbopno, not in your suggestion16:53
@bopbophowever, 16:53
SynQ2if not my suggestion exactly then I want to reconsider based on your rules16:53
SynQ2since my goal is as much submissions as possible16:54
@bopbopwe used to do per entry, but then we ended up w/ some not-so-good entries by people just because they wanted to rack up the karma points16:54
SynQ2so if someone would submit 20 styles they would be karma-king :)16:54
SynQ2that is a matter of defining clearly what is 'good'16:54
@bopboplet me finish writing up the rules, and I'll share them with you16:54
@bopbopgood is subjective, so yeah16:54
SynQ2in my view it has to 1. look differently and 2. be compiant and 3. work technically16:55
@bopbopI think we agree on that16:55
SynQ2and yes you do need a jury16:55
SynQ2and it would be really great if that jury was made up out of the community16:55
SynQ2something else you could do16:55
SynQ2is deduct the amount of karma in this contest from the top 100 of karma users16:56
SynQ2in a percentage16:56
@bopbopI'm not worried about the karma16:56
SynQ2so emil would 'give' 10% of it't karma 16:56
SynQ2I am16:56
SynQ2it's all about the karma16:56
@bopboprephrase: I'm not worried that we won't have enough to go around16:57
SynQ2if you don't use it for things like this, karma is a worthless status symbol16:57
SynQ2oh ok16:57
SynQ2you are worried about quality16:57
@bopbopI don't want to detract karma from other users for this purpose, I just want to award karma16:57
@bopbopyes quality16:57
SynQ2whereas I am mostly worried about quantity16:57
SynQ2I would like to see at least 100 theme's to choose from16:57
SynQ2of which 20 are really good and 80 can be crap16:58
SynQ2but still you have 100 to choose from16:58
SynQ2I would say this would have to be a continous contest16:58
SynQ2wich awards a winner each month16:58
SynQ2and the stakes (in karma) should be high16:58
@bopbopdo you think we have enough commitment from the community to achieve that?16:59
@bopbopbesides yourself16:59
SynQ2that depends16:59
SynQ2on who you call 'the community'16:59
@bopbopwho do you call the community?16:59
SynQ2the top 100 karma users are in my opinion not the community16:59
SynQ2like biskitmiller has never submitted anything to the community16:59
SynQ2yet is is 2nd in the top 100 list17:00
@bopbopright, some have karma through other means-  not necessarily through active participation17:00
SynQ2however, the site sais: Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community.17:00
SynQ2so that is not true17:00
SynQ2the top karma users should go17:00
SynQ2and instead the top karma givers should be listed17:01
SynQ2you should be encouraged to lose your karma as soon as possible17:01
Mech422forgive my ignorance - but what is karma used for other then indicating 'how much' you want/like a given feature proposal ?17:01
SynQ2Mech422: http://www.webgui.org/wg/karma17:01
SynQ2Once earned, karma can be used like currency17:02
@bopbopyou can use karma to buy things from PB17:02
SynQ2only swag17:02
SynQ2and wuc tickets17:02
SynQ2no books17:02
SynQ2no hosting17:02
@bopbopwell, yeah17:02
@bopbopthere are limits17:02
SynQ2no services17:02
Mech422so basically - just for bumping RFE's and getting 'status' toys and such ?17:03
SynQ2in my view people use karma for different purposes17:03
Mech422oh wait - wuc tickets - thats the user conference, right ?17:03
SynQ2most programmers never hand out karma and keep it as a status symbol17:03
SynQ2like martin and knowmad17:03
SynQ2bopbop: who is biskitmiller anyway?17:04
@bopbopI have no idea17:04
@bopbopto be honest17:04
SynQ2then why does he have 48000 karma?17:04
Mech422test user ?17:04
SynQ2I bet he/she doesn't even know he/she has that karma17:04
SynQ2And who is Emil ?17:05
Mech422wow - perlDreamer is a busy lil beaver...17:05
SynQ2And who is VickyHS?17:06
@bopbopI seem to remember a conversation where JT mentioned some ways in which users get karma that aren't related to site involvement17:06
@bopbopyou'd have to ask JT17:06
@bopbopcould be something w/ hosting17:06
SynQ2probably 'rockstar support' users17:06
SynQ2but as far as I (as a community member) are conserned they are not part of the community17:07
SynQ2at all17:07
SynQ2so they should not be in the karma list as 'Karma is rewarded for performing good deeds on the site and in the community. '17:07
SynQ2is being a client of PB a good deed in the community?17:07
@bopbopso you would like to see a list of the top 100 karma "users" to better reflect community involvement, instead of a reflection of 'money it the bank' as it is now?17:08
@bopbopok, we seem to agree17:08
Mech422Heh - I would say so - if PB doesn't eat, then a lot less wG work gets done...17:08
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@bopbopalright, I gotta leave for an appt17:09
@bopbopSynQ2: I will send the rules to you later today17:09
Mech422SynQ2: btw - did you get to run a build yet with the 'new' version of ImageMagic ?17:09
@bopbopand we can see what changes might need to be made after that17:09
@bopbopSynQ2: thank you17:09
SynQ2Mech422: nope, I have had no time since friday17:09
Mech422SynQ2: Hmm - I got the AMD64 build to where it just had the same issues as the 32bit build17:10
Mech422SynQ2: I'm wondering if I'm gonna have to eat crow though - PerlDreamer thinks the image/graph problems are due to changes in IM, and I think its a change on the wre/wg side17:11
Mech422so I'm running a build on a fresh checkout now to see if the newer IM changes anything17:11
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Mech422Mornin Haarg :-)17:13
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MagneticSo... I already am assuming the answer is no here, however I will ask anyways. When using the Demo Feature on webgui.org. Is there a way to get access to the HTML of the site? I can't seem to find an access point. 17:28
Mech422'the HTML of the site' ??17:29
Mech422you mean the templates ?17:29
Magneticaye, heh. I think I figured it out. Thank you much good Sir Mech42217:34
Mech422Cool - I love being helpful - especially when I don't have to do anything :-D17:36
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@fibioniIs this a proper venue to ask simple help-desk related questions? I have a client that wants to know if there is a paypal plugin. Is there a product roadmap anywhere?18:05
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dionakthere's a plugin in the bazaar18:06
dionakand JT usually posts on the Black blog about what is coming up. Not sure about an official roadmap. There may be one but I haven't seen it. 18:07
dionakthe paypal feature is to be included in 7.7, I believe18:07
@fibionithanks much18:13
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Mech422perlDreamer: morning :-)18:31
+perlDreamerhowdy, Mech42218:31
+perlDreamerhow goes the WRE hackery?18:31
Mech422Looking to see if I'm having crow for breakfast :-)18:31
Mech422I'm building the checking from yesterday with the 'new' IM18:32
Mech422so we'll see if that changes anything with the image/graph problem18:32
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SynQ2Mech422: the wre-source I get from plainblack fails to build on lenny with this error:18:50
SynQ2 /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl18:50
Mech422yeah - you need LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE/18:51
SynQ2that is ImageMagick failing18:51
Mech422in the image magic configure line18:51
Mech422SynQ2: btw - do you know what the LD=ld thing is for ?18:51
SynQ2at that time perl has not yet been built?18:51
SynQ2I have no idea18:52
Mech422perl gets built before IM18:52
Mech422at least, I thought it did...18:52
* Mech422 goes to double check18:52
SynQ2oh yes18:52
SynQ2it has been18:52
+perlDreameris there any way to install IE6 on Vista, in parallel with IE7?18:52
+perlDreamerfor testing and stuff?18:52
Mech422SynQ2: yeah - just double checked...18:53
@Haargthere's http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE18:54
@Haargbut it isn't perfect18:54
Mech422SynQ2: btw - I changed LD=ld to --with-gnu-ld over here, and it hasn't broke it 18:54
Mech422perldreamer: VirtualBox ftw!!18:54
@Haargi gave up on eventually and i'm just using virtual machines18:54
+perlDreamerif I could avoid having to buy _another_ MS license, it would be great18:54
Mech422Haarg: I knew I liked you :-D18:54
+perlDreamerbut perhaps it's time to break down and just do it18:55
Mech422MS lets you use like 5 copies in VM's I thought18:55
Mech422they did some big licensing change like last year when they made virtual pc free18:55
SynQ2Mech422: that LD=ld stuff is for OS/x18:55
Mech422oh yeah - you can also use virtual pc 18:55
+perlDreamerI have a Vista license, to install XP (IE6) I'd need an XP license, wouldn't I?18:56
SynQ2perlDreamer: it's time to not support it18:56
Mech422SynQ2: but osx is gnu too right ? so --with-gnu-ld would still work ?18:56
SynQ2I don't know18:56
Mech422Hmm ...18:56
+perlDreamerSynQ2: I agree, but with bugs reported in WebGUI against it I need one to test with18:56
SynQ2if I can avoid having to buy _a_ MAC license _and_ the hardware that comes with it, it would be great18:56
Mech422I was just telling PD - I don't know the 32bit finds libperl.a without the extra LD flag..18:57
Mech422SynQ2: virtualBox ftw!! :-D18:57
Mech422for the win :-D18:57
SynQ2virtual box is handy indeed18:57
Mech422virtual box is the cats pajama's :-)18:57
Mech422the bees knees18:57
Mech422and other odd americanisms :-P18:58
SynQ2if it works and I don't have to buy a license for it, that is fine18:58
+perlDreamerit's not like that naff VMWare18:58
SynQ2I have to go home18:58
Mech422pd: oooh - slamed VMWare AND did it in aussie ! bonus points!!18:58
SynQ2WRE 0.9.3 is broken18:58
Mech422I'm building here18:58
Mech422I'll let ya know how teh test suite goes18:59
SynQ2at least the wre-source-0.9.3 is18:59
Mech422SynQ2: though if you happen to have a 32 bit build log showing how IM is finding libperl.a without that flag - I'd appreciate seeing it :-)18:59
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SynQ2Mech422: understood19:10
Mech422SynQ2: thanks :-)19:10
+perlDreamernew PBWG today19:15
+perlDreamerKudos to Arjan19:15
topsubnew PBWG?19:16
topsubwhats that mean?19:16
+perlDreamerPeople Behind WebGUI19:18
+perlDreamerI'll have to note that in the next WNN19:19
SynQ2Mech422: I have added LDFLAGS=-L$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux/CORE to build.sh19:20
SynQ2that works19:20
SynQ2at least, it compiles then19:20
+perlDreamershould the processor type be hardcoded like that?19:20
SynQ2probably not19:20
SynQ2the arch that is19:20
SynQ2since it's not the processor but the $ARCH19:21
Mech422LOL - no - but we're winging it to get test results19:21
Mech422I'd like to know how it compiles on 32bit without that...19:21
Mech422I've added it to build.sh twice now, and it never gets merged19:22
+perlDreamermerged into SVN?19:22
Mech422merged into the 9.3 build.sh 19:22
Mech422yeah - SVN I guess19:23
+perlDreamerpost a bug with a patch onto the bug board19:23
Mech422did that twice19:23
Mech422posted full script and diffs19:23
+perlDreameron the bug board?19:23
Mech422on the developer board19:23
Mech422SynQ was the only one that seemed to notice19:24
Mech422anyway - point being - I thought it wasn't merged because it built on 32 bit without it19:25
Mech422but now I'm starting to wonder - synq can't build 32 bit without it either 19:25
SynQ2I didn't say that19:26
+perlDreamerMech422, I see a post about 0.9.119:26
+perlDreamerbut nothing about 0.9.319:26
Mech422well, 9.3 doesn't build yet19:26
Mech422and the 9.1 stuff wasn't merged19:26
SynQ2I'm off19:26
+perlDreamerand if the patch contains multiple things, and all it says is 64-bit build script19:26
+perlDreamerthen it will get passed over19:27
Mech422ok - whatever...19:27
Mech422don't care at this point19:27
Mech422it didn't get merged, no point crying about it19:27
Mech422but I'm not posting more till the dam thing is done19:27
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11095 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Fix POD whitespace problem.19:38
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Mech422perlDreamer: heh - sorry - slashdot says IE6 wont die - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/02/134224/Internet-Explorer-6-Will-Not-Die19:47
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11096 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm: Forward port POD whitespace fix.19:55
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@rizenso i switched back to the old beta version of image magick that shipped with WRE 0.9.2 and now WRE 0.9.3 can generate graphs once again21:15
@rizennow to write a program that replicates the problem to send it in to the image magick guys21:16
@rizenfigured out the problem with image magick21:46
@rizenmartin's graphing code sets the background color of the image like this:21:46
@rizen$image->Read(filename => 'xc:white');21:46
@rizenthe other image processing functions in webgui that i wrote set the background color like this:21:46
@rizenthey both used to do the same way21:46
@rizensame thing21:47
@rizenbut now, only the way I used works for some reason21:47
@rizenso fixing this in webgui core21:47
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11097 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick.21:54
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11098 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Image.pm): Fixed a problem with graphing created by the newer versions of Image Magick.21:55
+perlDreamernice catch, rizen22:00
+perlDreameris 0.9.3 a go then?22:00
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@rizeni'm copying it up to sf right now22:02
@rizenso we can make the release public22:02
@rizenand since i don't have to recompile, Test::Harness will go into 0.9.4 or 1.0.022:03
+perlDreamersounds good22:03
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11099 /WebGUI/ (36 files in 4 dirs): 22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: Throw an exception in all wobjects if the main template (used by view)22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: has been deleted.22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11100 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (32 files in 4 dirs): Backport exception based missing template handling.22:54
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11101 /branch/colin-experimental: removing unneeded colin-experimental branch23:14
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11102 /branch/dj_wgfs: removing unused wgfs branch23:14
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11103 /branch/doug-experimental: removing unneeded doug-experimental branch23:14
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CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11104 /branch/ (wrebuild_0.7 wrebuild_0.8): removing old wrebuild branches23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11105 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): 23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: Add noFormPost to packed content in the asset tables to prevent them23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: from overwriting the data that has been packed from the filter function.23:44
CIA-23WebGUI: Rerun the upgrade script to repack all areas that use packing.23:44
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11106 /WebGUI/docs/credits.txt: adding some new names that deserve to be on the list00:51
CIA-23WebGUI: arjan * r11107 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/AuthLDAP.pm: 00:51
CIA-23WebGUI: Restored i18n's LDAPLink_104 message in AuthLDAP.pm that was00:51
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11108 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.7.8-7.7.9.pl: Fix a typo in the upgrade script.00:51
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11110 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debuggin output.00:51
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11111 /WebGUI/docs/credits.txt: Fix spelling.00:51
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@preactionanyone have a problem with me not posting smoke test to the smoke test board, and instead using RSS from smoke.plainblack.com?01:33
+perlDreamerno, that's fine01:33
+perlDreamerbut then what do we do with the smoke test board?01:33
@preactiondelete it, or replace it with a syndicated content asset to read the RSS feed01:34
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CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11113 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for problem with image magick02:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11114 /WebGUI/t/Macro/Thumbnail.t: work around for image magick bug02:09
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@preactionkinda, i suspect colin's busy with the release right now02:17
elninobusy is good.02:18
elninodo you happen to know if there is a "featured product" macro or something in the shop? havne't read anythign about one yet.02:18
+perlDreamerare you saying that I'm loud?02:19
elninoor maybe if I can create an rss feed of the products I can do it that way>02:19
elninono I meant quiet on the chat.02:19
elninosorry. get back to work perlDreamer.  =)  lol02:19
+perlDreameryes, ma'am!02:20
elninoif only I was that influential.02:20
Mech422perlDreamer: ok - gimme some salt and I'll eat my crow....02:23
Mech422perlDreamer: looks like it was a IM change after all02:24
+perlDreamerit's an IM bug02:24
+perlDreamerno crow to eat02:24
Mech422well - since the IM tests passed and nothing showed in the change log, I was betting on wre/wg change02:24
Mech422you were right though02:25
@rizeni need some help from anybody that knows something about Facebook02:25
@rizenMech422: don't worry about it...we all have those days02:25
@rizennobody is right all the time02:25
@rizenok so given that API02:25
@rizenif i wanted to tie into it02:25
@rizento create an aspect that you could add to any asset02:25
@rizenthat would publish an "announcement" 02:26
@rizenwhat would i use02:26
@rizenfor example02:26
@rizenStory Manager02:26
@rizensomeone publishes a new article02:26
@rizenand i want to announce that story on facebook02:26
+perlDreamerhang on a sec, I'll get Mrs perlDreamer02:26
+perlDreamershe's a new facebook user02:26
Mech422rizen: btw - 9.3 isn't building here and last I heard it wasn't building for Synq02:27
Mech422I got it to build as far as Time-HiRes02:27
@rizenit dies on Time::HiRes?02:27
Mech422it actually dies on IM02:27
@rizenthat's a wierd place to die02:27
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Mech422because the LD flag isn't updated02:28
Mech422but I gave the fix to SynQ and its works for both of us02:28
@rizenare you talking about the --with-gnu-ld?02:28
Mech422no - I'm talking about LDFlag=/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/5.8.10/$ARCH/core thingy02:29
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dreamersgirlHi rizen!02:29
Mech422it fails on both 32 bit  and 64 bit last I heard02:29
@rizenhi dreamersgirl 02:31
+perlDreamerdreamersgirl is a facebook user.  You know how those young kids are.02:31
@rizenMech422: i compiled it on 7 different operating systems02:31
@rizenand uploaded it to sf02:31
@rizenso if it's failing02:31
@rizenit's something local to you02:31
@rizenand maybe sync as well02:31
Mech422ok - go tell that to Synq02:31
@rizeni would but he's sleeping02:32
Mech422oh and there's still syntax errors in the build script02:32
Mech422you need spacess around '[' and ']' in bash02:32
@rizenare you a chronic complainer or something?02:32
@rizendidn't i give you git access?02:32
@rizeni thought i did02:32
Mech422rizen: no - just got treated like an idiot so feel no reason to sugar coat things02:33
Mech422no as far as I know I have no git commit access02:33
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Mech422and I got it to work here _and_ posted patches twice now - so I don't think thats chronic complaining ?02:33
@rizenok then i'm going to complain quick02:34
@rizenyou posted your patches to irc02:34
@rizenthat's no place to post anything that you want to have any impact on anything02:34
@rizento quote a great movie, stuff posted here will "up and vanish like a fart in the wind"02:35
Mech422actually - I posted to the 'dev forum' where someone (you) told me to?  synq was the only one that noticed...02:35
@preactioni told you to, i think02:35
Mech422ahh - sorry - my bad02:35
Mech422and to paraphrase rizen from yesterday 'mech422 don't know and I don't listen to people that don't know'02:36
@rizenMech422: i noticed that one02:37
@rizenand just haven't gotten around to doing anything about it02:37
@rizenthe same as i told you yesterday02:37
@rizen64 bit was not my priority yet02:37
Mech422anyway, point being - according to the big message libtools posts in the build logs...02:37
Mech422your installing libperl in a non-standard location - which should require you to use a full path in a -L option during link02:38
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11115 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.25 release.02:38
Mech422it appears your managing a build without this - which neither I nor SynQ can do02:38
Mech422so either your linking against a different libperl.a or we (synq and I ) have larger issues02:39
Mech422it would be good to see a build log and determine which is which02:39
Mech422err...it would be good to see a _working_ build log and determine which is which02:40
@rizeni'm apparently missing a good bit of conversation between you and SynQ2 02:40
@rizenbecause i know he's compiled the WRE (including 0.9.3) successfully several times on his boxes02:40
@rizenthey are one run his demo.webgui.nl site02:40
dreamersgirlrizen--perlDreamer mentioned you were asking about Facebook.02:40
dreamersgirlI use it, but am no means an expert.02:41
dreamersgirlCan I give you a hand anyway?02:41
@rizendreamersgirl: i think preaction figured out what i want to know02:41
@rizeni don't know anything about it02:41
@preactionfacebook terminology might be a good thing though, i know little about that02:41
@rizenbut i want to create something in webgui that developers can use to have their applications automatically publish data to a facebook page02:41
Mech422rizen: about 10 minutes this morning - there are irc proxy's that will maintain scrollback for you ... 02:41
@preactioni use twitter to update my facebook and that's all the facebook that i care to learn about02:41
@rizenMech422: i know there are proxies, but i don't care enough to scroll back through 20 hours of conversations to find what you're talking about02:42
@rizenso i'll wait until i can talk to SynQ2 myself02:42
dreamersgirlrizen:  I'm glad you have what you need02:43
@rizendreamersgirl: sorry to have bothered you02:43
dreamersgirlno bother!  It always fun to see what's going on in channel.02:43
Mech422rizen: heres the paste from this mornin http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34e1090e02:44
@rizendreamersgirl: hopefully my facebook integration works, and then webgui can interact with twitter02:44
@rizenand facebook02:44
dreamersgirlthat'd be cool!02:44
dreamersgirlguess I'll have to become a webGUI fan sometime.  :)02:44
@preactiondreamersgirl: you should be able to already, tavisto put webgui in facebook02:45
dreamersgirlI'll look for it next time I'm surfing around!02:45
+perlDreamersurf surf surf02:45
+perlDreamerWhat about dinner for hungry perlDreamers?02:45
dreamersgirlFor now, it's back to being evil nazi mom02:45
@preactionhang 102!02:45
dreamersgirlBye everyone!02:46
@preactionunless you have two windows keys, than it's hang 103!02:46
Mech422rizen: he was using wre-9.3 source (tarball?) and I was using git clone from about 3am PST02:46
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@rizendon't know what to tell you02:48
@rizeni don't have the build logs from any of the boxes i built on02:48
Mech422rizen: usually this is the part where you call me stupid02:48
Mech422but hey! I'm getting used to it02:48
@rizenno i'ts not02:48
@rizeni resent that you would even say that02:49
@rizenyesterday you were talking about rewriting the whole WRE build process and you didn't even know how the current one worked02:49
Mech422what should I interpret "no, you dont' know and I don't fill my head with info from people that don't know" to mean ?02:49
Mech422as far as I can see - the current one _doesn't_ work02:49
Mech422your the only one it works for02:49
@rizeni don't think i typed that02:50
Mech422I"m paraphrasing02:50
elninoI didn't know webgui was on facebook. I just joined!! yea!02:50
Mech422however, more to the point - I suspect your build is linking against a system installed libperl ...02:50
Mech422do your build boxes have perl installed _before_ wre is built ?02:51
@rizenyes, and they must02:51
@rizenbecause we use perl as part of the build script before we build perl02:51
@rizenand it may link against the system perl02:51
Mech422yeah - I saw that ...02:51
@rizeni'm not saying that it doesn't02:51
Mech422we don't really _have_ to use it in getsources - we could use sed for doing the cgi path munging02:52
@rizeni'm saying the same thing i told you 10 times yesterday. it works, and that's what i care about02:52
Mech422oh ouch02:52
@rizennow, if it can be better02:52
Mech422what happens when you install perl 5.0.10 and system perl is 5.0.8 ?02:52
@rizenlet's make it better02:52
@rizenIT WORKS02:52
Mech422doesn't shit go blooey ?02:52
@rizenyou know how i know02:52
@rizenbecause all these boxes have perl 5.8 on them02:53
@rizenand wre has perl 5.1002:53
@preactionit works for now, if it should break in the future, it will get fixed. if we fix it before it breaks, it will be better02:53
@rizeni'm not saying we can't change things02:53
Mech422then I'm at a loss for the moment - with no logs to check, I can't really say how it works for you and not synq or me02:53
@rizeni'm not saying we can't impove things02:53
@rizeni'm just saying that it works02:53
@rizenif you have suggestions, let's get those implemented02:54
@rizenbut let's not rewrite 5 years worth of knowledge02:54
@rizenlet's add to it02:54
@rizenlet's improve it02:54
@rizennot start from scratch02:54
Mech422the build script is new in 9.3 isn't it ?? 9.1 didn't have getsources and getperlmodules ?02:54
Mech422anyway - I have 64bit build logs available02:55
@preactionnah, those are old02:55
@rizengetsources.sh and getperlmodules.sh are new02:55
@rizenbuild.sh is not new02:55
Mech422hopefully synq will have 32 bit logs this evening02:55
@rizenit's been around since before i realeased WRE to the public02:55
@rizenbuild.sh represents 5 years of tinkering to get shit to compile. that's why i call it knowledge02:56
@rizenit's like 1000 man hours in that one file02:56
@rizenit certainly has bugs02:56
@rizenand it's certainly not perfect02:56
@rizenbut it is a good starting point from which to make each subsequent release better02:56
Mech422I've got a client call...02:57
Mech422perhaps you can start a reebuild and save the build logs02:57
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Mech422with that and 1 from synq and 1 from me, we might have a good basis for figuring out whats going on02:58
@rizeni'll start it compiling on my mac now (from git head) 02:58
@rizenfyi this is going to take a couple hours03:13
Mech422its ok - I'll be up at leat another 8 hours03:13
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CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11116 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed #9927 Survey - verbatim03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed inconsistencies between answer 'comment' and 'verbatim'.03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Updated tests.03:56
CIA-23WebGUI: Made minor changes to reporting methods but they still need some love.03:56
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_elnino_anyone here have macromedia flash?04:11
_elnino_can someone kick elnino_ off, thanks.  I don't know what happened.04:14
+perlDreamerrelease ahoy!04:16
+perlDreamerthank you :)04:17
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@preaction_elnino_: you can using /msg nickserv ghost <nickname> <password>04:19
_elnino_that will change me back? so I can log out?04:20
_elnino_then how do I get back to the other me?04:20
@preactionno, that'll force the nickname off the server04:20
@preactionthen you just have to /nick <nickname>04:20
_elnino_oh. I thought only admins could do that.04:20
_elnino_I dont' have any passowrds.04:21
@preactionnope, only IRCops, and we're not those04:21
@preactionoh, well, that's a benefit to registering ;)04:21
@preaction/msg nickserv help register04:21
+perlDreameryou can't tell one elnino from another without a password04:21
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11117 /releases/WebGUI_WebGUI-7.6.25: Release WebGUI-7.6.2504:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11118 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25: Release 7.6.2504:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11119 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.25-stable: Release 7.6.25-stable04:22
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11120 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Ready for 7.6.26 development.04:22
_elnino_all these elnino are done by xchat (what I use). If elnino doesn't work, it automatically trys something else. I never set a password... hmm.04:22
@preactionalso, smoke.plainblack.com is running. i hope to have TAP::Formatter::HTML working soon, and a nice fancyindex CSS file04:22
+perlDreamernice work, preaction!04:23
_elnino_preaction - what do you register to?04:23
@preaction_elnino_: what do you mean? type "/msg nickserv help register". nickserv will help you (that's who you register to as well)04:24
@preactionsee this: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration04:24
_elnino_oh...ok... 04:24
* _elnino_ is all confused04:25
+perlDreamerthe TAP output looks... truncated04:25
+perlDreameris that a partial run, preaction?04:25
@preactionperlDreamer: it's a current run. it's running, right now04:25
+perlDreamerah, cool04:25
+perlDreamerI actually need that04:25
+perlDreamerUser.t is acting very strangely right now04:25
+perlDreamer(on my laptop)04:25
@preactioni'm going to hopefully have it switching between branches again soon as well04:26
@preactionremember that one month i had this all working, and it was nice? i want that month back!04:26
* _elnino_ goes to watch "this old house"04:26
+perlDreamersay hi to norm for us04:27
+perlDreamerpreaction, is it running as root?04:29
@preactionyes, for now04:29
@preactioni suppose i could su to webgui, that should still allow me to open the log files04:30
Mech422preaction: I take it TAP is perl's 'buildbot' ? for continous build and testing ?04:32
@preactionTAP is the Test Anything Protocol, it's just the way Perl gives test output04:32
@preactioni should say it's being used by more than Perl now04:33
@preactionit's goal is both machine and human readability (which is fills wonderfully)04:33
+perlDreamereven better than XML!04:33
Mech422Hmm - it looks like the standard per 'make test' output?  so thats formalized/standardized now ?04:34
@preactionthat's always been the standard, since Perl's earliest test suites04:35
@preactionbut yes, that's the same output04:35
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@preactionmake test is the same as "prove -r t/" (well, close enough to)04:35
Mech422Cool - so it should be easier to create 'buildbot' type tools that work cross-language/test harness ?04:36
@preactionright, TAP has a website iirc04:37
Mech422yeah  - googling now :-)04:37
Mech422soo many neat toys to try and keep up with...04:38
@preactionina ddition to the implementations in those other languages, PostgreSQL has a TAP testing framework for SQL queries04:38
Mech422oh nifty :-)  Testing raw SQL was something I never even considered04:39
Mech422I always see it in terms of some language or other04:39
+perlDreamergot it!04:45
Mech422perlDreamer: ??04:46
Mech422Is it contagious ?? :-D04:46
+perlDreamerno, parasitic04:46
Mech422I see...  may I ask to what we're referring ?  and is it painful ? :-P04:47
+perlDreamerit's a bug I found in 7.7.9 pre-release04:47
+perlDreamerI've been working on it for 4 hours04:47
+perlDreamerand now I feel good that I found it04:48
Mech422ahh! congrats :-)04:48
+perlDreamerbut quite stupid04:48
* perlDreamer should know what WebGUI methods are subroutines, and which are methods04:48
Mech422oh  - to $self or not to $self - is that the question ? 04:50
Mech422whether it be nobler to... ahh...I ran it into the ground already, so I'll shutup now :-P04:50
+perlDreamertoo much eq, dudely04:52
Mech422yeah - I'm jonesing...04:52
Mech422just waiting for this build - then I'm off to slay... schtuff :-P04:52
Mech422what kind of stuff ? undead stuff ?  giant spidery stuff ?  decisions decisions...04:54
_elnino_boy, I learn all sorts of new words from Mech422. =)04:54
Mech422I think they should add demanding clients, and maybe zombie processes ...04:54
daviddelikatso... when I make a bugfix that is a template edit...04:55
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, are you using wgd?04:55
Mech422_elnino_: you mean, I'm not just charming and good looking - I'm educational too ?? :-D04:55
daviddelikatall I have to do is put the template package in the upgrades/packages... directory right04:55
+perlDreamerright, with wgd you'd do04:55
daviddelikati do use wgd yes04:55
+perlDreamerwgd package --upgrade (assetId|url)04:55
+perlDreamerand it will do it all for you04:56
+perlDreamereven putting it in the right place04:56
+perlDreamerall you have to do is svn add it, and commit it04:56
_elnino_whats wgd? is that something new in 7.6?04:56
+perlDreamerno, it's Haarg's awesome WebGUI Development tool04:56
+perlDreamerlet's say you want to edit a template on a remote server04:56
+perlDreamerso you ssh into it04:57
daviddelikator the webgui god tool04:57
+perlDreamerthen type wgd edit templateAssetId04:57
+perlDreamerthat throws you into your favorite text editor for template hacking04:57
+perlDreamerand then you decide that you want a package of that to put on different servers04:57
+perlDreamerwgd package templateAssetId04:57
+perlDreamermakes you a package04:57
daviddelikatdid not know that04:57
_elnino_slick. It seems I read about something like that in the devloper book.04:58
+perlDreamerand that's just the tip of what it can do04:58
daviddelikatdo you know what version this si all in?04:58
* perlDreamer runs off of git, so whatever the latest is04:58
+perlDreamerHaarg will do a wgd presentation at the WUC04:58
daviddelikatis there a git package for centos?04:58
daviddelikatI dont have it installed on my vm yet because there was none that would go automagically04:59
+perlDreamerwhere did I find that04:59
+perlDreamerit was off a foreign repository, daviddelikat04:59
@preactioni got mine from kernel.org, let me get the info04:59
@rizenMech422: i got an error compiling TIme::HiRes when i compile out of head just now. I did not get that error when i built using wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz, so something must have changed05:00
Mech422I get the same error..05:01
Mech422just 'false' in the log - then it aborts05:01
Mech422funny thing is - if you cd to the dir, and type 'make' - it builds05:01
@rizenhere's the build log05:01
@preactiondaviddelikat: i can send you the script via pm, but pastebin says i'm a spammer05:01
@rizengotta go. hope it helps you. i'll be on tomorrow to try to figure out why this happened05:02
Mech422ok - thanks05:02
daviddelikatpreaction: I can always git the latest from the hub...05:02
daviddelikatit would be nice to have git installed though...05:03
@preactiondaviddelikat: i mean the script to install git05:03
daviddelikatnot that I need another tool to maintain...05:03
@preactionit's 4 commands, 3 wget and an rpm05:03
daviddelikathow big is it?05:03
@preaction4 lines05:03
@preactioni can't pastebin it, because pastebin says i'm a spammer because it has 3 URLs in it05:03
+perlDreamerhow about posting it, one line at a time in channel? >:)05:04
daviddelikatone sec...05:04
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daviddelikatsorry I thought I had a place you could post it...05:06
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11121 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ProfileField.pm: Pluggable::load is not a class method.05:06
daviddelikattry david-delikat at usa.net05:06
+perlDreamerif it's really useful, it could be uploaded to the bazaar05:07
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daviddelikatanybody know why wgd doesn't have a page in the wiki?05:22
@preactionas wgdev maybe05:24
daviddelikatill try it05:24
daviddelikati know its in there i just can never remember how to find it...05:25
daviddelikatall i want is the url for the git repo05:25
@preactionsearch github for wgdev05:25
daviddelikatthat did it --- thanks05:26
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bryanlewisany cms' chat rooms on irc?05:30
@preactionbesides WebGUI? probably05:31
bryanlewisis WebGUI a actual CMS?05:31
+perlDreamerand free software05:31
@preactionand yes05:31
@preactiondemo.webgui.org and beta.webgui.org05:32
bryanlewisis it from a framework?05:32
bryanlewiswhich one?05:33
+perlDreamerWebGUI is the name of the CMS, and the framework05:33
Mech422Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl05:33
Mech422wtf ? rizen's IM isn't even using libperl ?05:34
Mech422Hmm - do we just not need it ? we can skip the whole thing and make life easier ?05:34
@preactionmaybe, dunno05:35
Mech422that would be nice05:37
+perlDreamerbryanlewis, it's perl based05:37
bryanlewisoh i see05:37
bryanlewissmarties... 05:37
bryanlewisi'm learning php so it might not be the system for me05:37
+perlDreamerI don't know.05:38
+perlDreamerphp is close to perl05:38
+perlDreamerand there's already a huge amount of code to leverage05:38
+perlDreamerand, far fewer native security issues with perl instead of PHP05:38
@preactioneh, either way you go (php or perl or python but not ruby) there's different ways to do it. it all depends on what you want to do05:38
+perlDreameralthough, to be fair, php has gotten quite a bit more secure in recent years05:38
bryanlewiswell i'm a noobie... 23 years old and dying to learn php better05:39
_elnino_what other cms's are you looking at bryanlewis?05:39
@preactioneh, i learned Perl back when I was 16. age / experience doesn't matter with the 4g langs like perl/php/python05:40
bryanlewisc5, wordpress, joomla, drupal... not for sure which to use/learn from05:40
bryanlewisfor some reason php is hard for me to get my head around05:40
@preactionyou might want to learn without one, and then get a book on one of them05:40
_elnino_are you looking to hack? or are you looking to use the cms for your site and other customer sites?05:40
bryanlewisjust learn php then without a cms?05:40
@preactioni won't start a holy war here, but php is incredibly disorganized for a programming language05:41
bryanlewiswell... I already work for a company and we make sites with c5 right now and its been working well but everyday i feel like i don't know enough05:41
@preactionright, first worry about learning the language. then learn how the language can make those things easier (like frameworks, template systems, database abstraction, etc...)05:41
bryanlewisyea i want to learn a framework too sometime05:42
Mech422bryanlewis: when you get to that point - I'd suggest sticking with C5 - sounds like you would have some resources you could ask questions etc at work05:42
_elnino_http://www.cmsmatrix.org - if you are looking for features for customer sites, this si a good place to compare.  I'll tell you from experience that joomla is a pain to upkeep for customer websites. and not very intuitive.05:43
_elnino_never heard of c5, is that like c1?05:43
Mech422_elnino_: might be some in-house tool they use ?05:44
bryanlewisno not like c1 really05:44
bryanlewisyea joomla is hard to upkeep 05:46
bryanlewisi'm not a big fan05:46
bryanlewisbut i want to learn php more and i want to feel like i can make my own cms with a framework whenever needed05:47
_elnino_I was there once.05:47
bryanlewiswhat did u do?05:48
_elnino_I got older. =)05:48
bryanlewisdid u ever have a tuff time learning a more advanced language?05:48
bryanlewisi'm 2305:48
_elnino_my training was system programing, so I came from C, C++ etc.05:48
_elnino_which I really didn't want to do, so I went into db and web developement05:49
bryanlewisyea nice05:49
_elnino_and working with web, and finding out that marketing demands come faster than anyone could keep up with, I ditched my efforts in my own cms and went05:50
bryanlewissomeday i will have a grasp of php05:50
_elnino_a community based cms that already had more features than my marketing group could come up with themselves.05:50
_elnino_if you look at the list of cms on cmsmatrix, I think you'll find there are lot of people out there wanting to build there own, but to compete with other that are established already is a tough hill to climb. It's climbable, but tough to catch up.05:51
bryanlewisyea thats pretty nice05:51
_elnino_just my experience.05:52
bryanlewisyea  i just think building a cms would help me learn and accomplish a personal goal 05:52
_elnino_oh yea, it will definately be a learning experience.05:52
_elnino_I'm all for it. It's fun actually!05:52
bryanlewissee thats where i want to be05:53
_elnino_I just couldnt' keep up with marketing group's demands - It was just me. 05:53
_elnino_doing all the programming.05:53
_elnino_IT group of 3.05:53
bryanlewisthanks ruff but at least u know your job well! 05:53
bryanlewisi feel like i go to work and dont know my job well at all05:54
bryanlewisi just live off of someone elses talent 05:54
bryanlewishaha 05:54
_elnino_work for a small company.  You'll learn TONS.05:54
_elnino_mine was 60 people. big enought to be steady, small enought to do everything.05:54
_elnino_(sorry for the extra t's)05:55
bryanlewisi do05:55
_elnino_you're in a great place then. never stop learning.05:56
_elnino_but stay focused enough to accomplish something.05:56
_elnino_and never think you know everythign because there is someone else out there that knows more.05:57
_elnino_but you didn't ask for advice... =(05:57
_elnino_I'll be quiet now.05:57
bryanlewishaha no i know05:58
bryanlewisi'm trying05:58
bryanlewisand will continue 05:58
bryanlewisI'm off to bed but will be back online tomorrow will u be on?05:58
_elnino_sounds like you're on the right track with the right attitude. I'ts refreshing.05:59
_elnino_not tomorrow, I'm going to the zoo.05:59
_elnino_but I'm ususally on. There is a bunch of regulars on this chat.05:59
bryanlewisok sweet! well i need sleep in order to learn well tomorrow ... one of my biggest problems is not staying focused on one thing long enough to accomplish/learn it06:01
bryanlewisthought i'd throw that in there06:01
_elnino_yep, that is tough, and common.06:02
_elnino_that's what managers are for - to breathe down your neck. which isn't always a good thing.06:02
bryanlewisyea i'm so eager to learn lots of things i can stick with one06:02
Mech422ok - I'm gonna call it a night...my head is _still_ killing me - almost 24 hours with a migraine or something...06:05
bryanlewisme 206:06
bryanlewisg'night and thanks for all the great help! 06:06
bryanlewisi hope to learn more wth time06:06
Mech422I'll look at the build logs more tommorrow - if we can just skip linking libperl that would make life easier as we don't need to pass the $ARCH as part of the LD flags06:06
Mech422my latest build just died with : ./build.sh: line 289: cd: HTML-Parser-3.60: No such file or directory06:08
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11122 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove bloat from Survey response record to reduce json serialisation time06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11123 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed Survey section-level branch precedence bug06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: For Sections with questions spread out over multiple pages, branch06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: expressions should only happen on the last page of the Section.06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Added explicit test.06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11124 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: When a user is deleted, delete any address books as well. Uses the API to get the06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: Addresses, too. With tests and upgrade script to take care of old address books.06:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11125 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backporting addressBook cleanup for deleted users.06:09
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+perlDreamergood night everyone06:11
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CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed #10425: Edit Survey screen does not work in IE610:37
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CIA-23WebGUI: changed HTML tag in lower bar to match upper bar16:09
CIA-23WebGUI: see bug description for details16:09
CIA-23WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1026116:09
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mech422SynQ2: ping?16:58
mech422perlDreamer: mornin16:58
+perlDreamerhowdy, mech42216:58
+perlDreameryou're lower case today16:58
mech422SynQ2: rizen sent an interesting osx build log last nite...16:58
mech422perlDreamer: yeah - I'm not feeling very upper today :-P16:58
SynQ2what log?16:59
+perlDreamerdude, you've been working crazy hours16:59
mech422perlDreamer: much less, studly caps :-P16:59
mech422SynQ2: it was a build log from an osx machine16:59
SynQ2I haven't seen it16:59
mech422SynQ2: he posted the url - but I didn't write it down :-/16:59
+perlDreamerIRC backlogs are on mentalhouse.net17:00
mech422interesting thing was ImageMagic doesn't seem to link against libperl on osx17:00
mech422perlDreamer: ahh thanks17:00
SynQ2it fails at Time::HiRes17:02
SynQ2is that a wre 0.9.3 buildlog?17:02
mech422oh - it failed with something else last build I did - HTML something or other...17:02
mech422but here's the interesting bit from the IM build:17:02
mech422Note (probably harmless): No library found for -lperl17:02
mech422Writing Makefile for Image::Magick17:02
* perlDreamer is going for an early morning run to beat the heat.17:02
+perlDreamerwe're currently sitting at 85 bugs17:03
mech422maybe libperl isn't needed at all for IM ?17:03
+perlDreamerwith 5-6 people working on bugs actively17:03
+perlDreamerhack on!17:03
SynQ2I don't know17:03
SynQ2what I wonder17:03
SynQ2is that there has been a wre 0.9.3 released17:03
SynQ2but has the wre-source from update.webgui.org been updated accordingly17:03
SynQ2since when I tried to compile that 2 days ago it failed on lenny17:04
@rizenthe builds of wre that are there17:04
@rizenwere built from the source that is there17:04
mech422SynQ2: I'm kinda thinking rizen's build boxes are 'special' somehow.. and the stuff builds there, but not on 'vanilla' boxes ?17:04
SynQ2mech422: I fear you could be right17:05
SynQ2but I don't know17:05
SynQ2all I know is that the build fails on my vanilla boxes17:05
carograyhi all, back from the UK - quick question about redirects?17:05
mech422SynQ2: yes, all I can determine is it fails for me on 64bit lenny17:06
SynQ2and it fails on the -lperl of IM17:06
mech422SynQ2: I could possibly setup a 32bit lenny (I'm using xen, which supports 32 on 64)17:07
mech422SynQ2: but your having problems on 32bit - so maybe setting up say Centos would be more informative ?17:07
@rizeni don't get how you guys can make that leap that my boxes are special17:07
SynQ2if it fails to build on lenny it's useless to me17:08
@rizenevery one of them is installed directly from the iso's you can download from the sites17:08
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SynQ2rizen: no special packages added?17:08
carograyif you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...);  macro thing right?17:08
mech422rizen: you seem to be the only one that can build the wre's ?17:08
@rizeni can get it to build on 7 operating systems and you can get them to not build on 217:08
@rizenactually just one17:08
@rizencuz you're both trying to build on the same OS17:08
@rizenno special packages17:08
@rizennothing that doesn't come with the os17:08
SynQ2but it fails on ubuntu 9 too17:09
@rizenon it's disks17:09
mech422yeah - thats what we were just saying - perhaps trying a Centos or something would be more informative then beating on Lenny17:09
@rizensure, but i don't try to build on ubuntu 917:09
SynQ2I'm guessing -lperl does exist in the centos system somewhere17:09
SynQ2so it finds the system perl libraries17:09
@rizenbut i do build on ubuntu 617:09
@rizenso perhaps there's a significant enough difference17:09
@rizenbetween the old17:09
@rizenand the new17:09
@rizenthat is causing the problem17:09
SynQ2perhaps the 'newer' systems have something 'different' then :)17:09
SynQ2indeed that17:10
@rizenright, it's not that my boxes are special17:10
@rizenjust that they are built with an older os17:10
SynQ2special == different17:10
@rizenwith the exception of rhel which is built using the newest17:10
@rizenwell, and macosx which is also built using the newset17:10
SynQ2macosx is different than linux17:10
SynQ2that is something which is clear17:11
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@rizensure it is, but it's also a full gnu build chain17:11
@rizenit doesn't use the crap that they use in a lot of the other bsds17:11
SynQ2but probably less bleeding edge then lenny and ubuntu17:11
@rizenthat's probably true17:11
SynQ2I'm going to run a compile on etch now17:11
SynQ2to see if the older debian does compile17:12
@rizenis etch the older version?17:12
@rizenjust prior to lenny?17:12
SynQ2etch = debian 417:12
mech422yeah 17:12
SynQ2lenny = debian 517:12
SynQ2but lenny = current stable17:12
SynQ2and etch = oldstable17:12
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mech422SynQ2: I want to look at the osx build log a bit more and see what else is in there...17:12
mech422SynQ2: if its not using libperl at all - maybe we can drop it from the other builds too ?17:13
SynQ2go ahead17:13
mech422(err - not using it for ImageMagick I mean)17:13
mech422can anyone run a bsd or solaris build and generate logs ?17:13
mech422or even a non-debian linux ?17:14
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mech422Hmm - I should look at setenvironment.sh and see if it does anything 'special' for osx...17:17
mech422heh - nope nothin there17:19
MrHairgrease1hey preaction17:25
MrHairgrease1how's the recur evry month on week thing supposed to work17:25
MrHairgrease1if I say every month on the second week on tuesday the results are varying17:26
MrHairgrease1for instance it selects this month on june 1617:27
MrHairgrease1and next month july 14th17:27
MrHairgrease1I know why that is happening from the code17:28
@preactionyeah, it's because the recur pattern generator is horrible and needs to change to DateTime::Event::ICalendar17:28
mech422SynQ2: thats odd - it builds rizen's openssl for arch 38617:29
MrHairgrease1but wouldn't the intended behaviour be using the calendar week instead of the number of 'virtual' weeks from the start of the month17:29
MrHairgrease1just fixed this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1022817:29
MrHairgrease1which is actually the same problem I told you about two weeks ago or so17:29
MrHairgrease1I guess rewriting that sub with DateTime::Event::ICal would be considered an rfe?17:32
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ckotilanyone know of any YUI datatable examples in webgui? im having trouble, and its because im the API docs for the datatable are beyond YUI 2.5.1 and they require some new js modules17:57
MrHairgrease1check the vendor payout manager17:58
daviddelikatI was just messing with YUI DT what are you looking for?17:58
MrHairgrease1it's in www/extras/vendorPayout/vendorPayout.js17:58
ckotilok ill do that MrHairgrease1 , thanks17:58
MrHairgrease1or the Asset Manager17:58
CIA-23WebGUI: martin * r11132 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): Merging fix for Calendar: Weekly re-occurence function not working properly (#10228) into 7.617:58
ckotildaviddelikat: well i have some data in json format that i want to put into a YUI datatable17:59
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MrHairgrease1that's basically what the vp manager does17:59
daviddelikatckotil: its pretty easy17:59
MrHairgrease1so that should be a good start17:59
ckotilvendor payout isnt in my version :( 7.5.3117:59
ckotil32 rather17:59
daviddelikatit is best if you make a function to generate the JSON and attach a datasource17:59
ckotilive used the YUI datable in the past w/ versoin 2.6.1 , but it doesnt seem to work the same with YUI 2.5.118:00
ckotilill try looking off of the asset manager18:00
daviddelikatI just added some code to the EventManagerSystem18:01
daviddelikatit is in WebGUI/Asset/Wobject18:01
daviddelikatcheck out the viewSchedule and www_getSchedule stuff18:01
ckotilbut in the dev branch, right?18:02
daviddelikatalso look at the view schedule template on the display tab of the EMS18:03
daviddelikatit should be in the main branch18:03
ckotilwhat version?18:04
ckotiland what versoin of YUI ?18:04
daviddelikatthe version that WebGUI is using18:04
daviddelikati think it is 2.518:04
ckotilok, thanks18:04
daviddelikatI had noticed some items thata were diff. from teh latest YUI but i got around them18:05
@rizenwebgui uses YUI 2.618:06
@rizenhowever, 2.7 is out18:06
ckotilya, thats all im finding API docs for is 2.718:06
ckotildunno how to get them for 2.5.118:06
@Haargthe docs are all included with webgui18:07
@rizenwebgui ships with a complete set of YUI docs for that reason18:07
daviddelikatwhere are you using 2.5.1?18:07
ckotilok sweet.18:07
ckotilim stuck on version 7.5.32 for now18:07
ckotilgonna schedule an update soon.18:07
ckotili should be able to smoothly upgrade to the latest stable now ;)18:07
daviddelikatgood luck18:08
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SynQ2Mc Gurk18:09
SynQ2how do you do it?18:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkdo what?18:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkand are you talking to me?18:11
SynQ2yes mr. McGurk, how do you slash them?18:13
SynQ2bare handedly?18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurksometimes it's as easy as replying to a person to tell them that they're doing something wrong, or that the bug has already been fixed18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurksometimes i just know exactly where to look18:13
@BugSlasherMcGurkcuz i wrote most of the code18:14
SynQ2so you have put those bugs in there yourself :)18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut then there are always bugs that kill me and take hours or days to fix18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurkSynQ2: exactly18:14
@BugSlasherMcGurki'm sure that i wrote 80% of the code in WebGUI, and that 98% of the bugs are mine18:14
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11133 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): re-fixed basic auth18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11134 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI.pm): 18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Fixed the problem with Basic Auth that UK fixed, but in a different way18:15
CIA-23WebGUI:  that still allows non-realm based Basic authentication.18:15
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11135 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: removed debug18:15
carograyyou guys can answer my redirect question yet?18:23
@BugSlasherMcGurkdon't think i saw any redirect question18:24
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhat is it?18:24
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: the build log you posted - was that a 'first' build? for some reason libreadline thought it was already compiled ?18:26
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11136 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm): WebGUI::Search epoch maximum range error (#10288)18:26
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: if you had done a build of that code earlier, that would explain it18:27
@BugSlasherMcGurki had done a build out of that folder before, /data/wre was empty when i started18:28
@BugSlasherMcGurki forgot to do a --clean before i started18:28
mech422ahh ok18:28
carograybugslasher: it was before you came on Rizen and Mech422 were heavy into super programmer talk and I was hoping to catch someone ...this is my ?:18:29
carograyif you have changed the URL of a page on your website and you want to create a redirect from the page itself to its new URL in the redirect URL box/field, i.e. the place you want it to go, you still put in http://www.yourdomain.org....newurl? We aren't supposed to be using some ^/(...);  macro thing right?18:29
@BugSlasherMcGurkright, you'd put the full url in there18:30
carograyk thanks just checking.:)18:31
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11137 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:39
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11138 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:39
mech422BugSlasherMcGurk: perl seems to build this as part of its bootstrap/install: Making Time::HiRes (dynamic)18:42
mech422and we install this in the perlmodules stuff: wget -t 4 -nv $CPANMIRROR/authors/id/J/JH/JHI/Time-HiRes-1.9719.tar.gz18:42
mech422are they different ?18:43
@BugSlasherMcGurksorry, i don't have any idea what you're asking me. i've reread the sentence 3 times and it still doesn't make sense.18:43
mech422it appears Time-HiRes is installed twice18:44
mech422is that the case, or is there a reason not to use the version the perl bootstrap installs ?18:44
@BugSlasherMcGurkah, now it makes sense18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkwe're probably just installing it twice because either:18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurka) Time::HiRes didn't used to be part of perl18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkb) i didn't realize it came with perl18:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkwith the WRE 0.9 series we switched to Perl 5.10, which comes with some modules 5.8 didn't. So there may be some duplicates.18:46
mech422Since the second install is what blew up the build last night, perhaps we should comment it out and see if it causes any regressions ?18:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkwho is we?18:46
mech422I can do it here - but I don't have an osx box to rebuild on18:46
@BugSlasherMcGurki can't rebuild it either18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's bugfix day18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurki need to work on bug fixing18:47
@BugSlasherMcGurki can go back to wre tomorrow18:47
mech422ahh - ok18:47
SynQ2mech422: report a bug on it in the WRE :)18:48
SynQ2then our McGurk will have time ;)18:48
@BugSlasherMcGurkno he won't18:48
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's WebGUI bugfix day18:48
SynQ2oh bummer18:48
SynQ2just when I thought I had found a loophole18:49
@BugSlasherMcGurkone more bug to fix and we're down to 3 pages18:52
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11139 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor18:56
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11140 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/datatable.js: Making sure focus is set properly when tabbing through fields in the datatable editor18:56
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11141 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): fixed #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings18:56
@preactionfrodwith: how? how did you fix that bug with DataTable?19:03
@preactionor does it create a new row without opening the edit box like it did when I had it?19:03
@frodwithno, it works the way it was working before.  Only, not broken.19:04
@preactionhuh, weird19:04
@preactionah, of course19:05
@preactionis there a difference between the lambda and just passing in the reference to obj.editor.focus?19:06
@frodwiththe binding of the this variable19:07
@preactionclosure, okay19:07
@frodwithjust passing the function reference, this will be bound to window19:07
@frodwithit isn't closure, it's function invocation.19:07
@frodwithvar fn = obj.method19:08
@frodwithfn() is very different from obj.method()19:08
@frodwithin the first case, 'this' means 'the default object'.  In the second, 'this' is obj.19:08
@preactionokay, i don't understand why, but i get it ;)19:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11142 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001)19:09
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11143 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Insufficient filtering in javascript filter (#10001)19:09
@preactionoh, nevermind, it is very similar to Perl's handling of it19:09
@frodwithIt has to do with making prototypes work properly19:10
@frodwithand yes, sort of like that19:10
@frodwithonly the invocant is explicit19:10
@frodwithin perl19:10
@frodwithso you don't run into it19:10
@BugSlasherMcGurkperlDreamer: since i've closed 9 bugs so far today, does that mean i can quit now?19:10
@BugSlasherMcGurkdo i get a set of steak knives at least?19:10
+perlDreamerI'll give you 1 kKarma.  How 'bout that?19:11
@preactionyou get a lousy copy of our home game19:11
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut but but but19:12
+perlmonkey2Anyone experimented with GWT for client side development?19:13
+perlDreamerBugSlasherMcGurk, and pointing out that you fixed 9 bugs in 1/3 of the time it takes me to do that won't buy you any brownie points either.19:15
@frodwithpreaction: dojo has a bind function, e.g. dojo.bind(object, function) that essentially makes a function() { object.function() }.  I wonder if YUI has something similar?19:16
@preactioni know YUI has scope-correction in event handlers (which is probably why I haven't worried much about scope and "this")19:17
@BugSlasherMcGurkperlDreamer: i probably just got lucky, and picked the easy ones19:17
daviddelikatwhat is the style lused for the bug tracker on WebGUI?19:18
daviddelikatyeah, collaboration has a dozen or more style options...19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's not a cs19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's a helpdesk asset19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurknot released to the public yet19:19
@BugSlasherMcGurkcuz it's still alpha19:19
daviddelikatso how does one go about fixing bugs in it?19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkkhenn is working on it19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkbut if you would too19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurki can get you access to the git repo19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkthere are lots of bugs for it19:20
daviddelikatbe happy to.19:20
@BugSlasherMcGurkso there' sno way khenn fixes them all today19:21
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhat's your github user?19:22
daviddelikati guess Ill have to make one...19:22
+perlDreamerAll bug fixers are backporting to the 7.6 branch, right?19:24
daviddelikatBugSlasherMcGurk: github uid is daviddelikat19:25
@BugSlasherMcGurki have been19:27
@BugSlasherMcGurkdaviddelikat: you have privs to commit back19:27
daviddelikatthanks, I'll get a copy and get to work...19:33
mech422SynQ2: ping?19:40
mech422SynQ2: if ya get a chance - let me know how the Etch build went :-)19:41
+perlDreamer73 bugs19:42
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CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11144 /WebGUI/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings20:08
CIA-23WebGUI: yung * r11145 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/User.t: added a test for bugfix #9851: New Users have blank profile field privacy settings20:08
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11146 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix multiple email handling in the Inbox.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Put an email regex into WebGUI::Utility, and use it in Form/Email and Account/Inbox.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11147 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: pull out an i18n message I created but didn't use.20:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11148 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Backporting Account/Inbox multiple email fix.20:23
+perlDreameris webgui.org down, or am I just lucky?20:25
@preactionyou're lucky20:26
+perlDreamerso you can get to the bug board?20:26
+perlDreamerhm, you're right, the wG itself is working fine, must be only the helpdesk20:27
@preactionnope, HD works fine for me20:27
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ckotilI just hit the URL character limit when using the WYSIWYG html source editor. Apparently this thing sends back the html as a GET variable20:41
+perlDreamerhow big is it?20:42
ckotili dont really know how to check. but its gotta be whatever the default limit is for a GET variable20:42
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@preactionckotil: what are you editing? there shouldn't be a GET with the rich editor20:45
ckotilediting an article asset using the rich editor20:45
ckotilwell the rich editors html source editor20:46
@preactionit shouldn't, it should use JS (window.opener.forms[...].elements[...].value )20:47
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ckotilthen this JS foo that im doing must be jacking with it20:47
ckotilbut when i click submit, i see. 'Request-URI Too Large'20:47
ckotilan apache error20:48
ckotiland all the html source is in the URI in the address bar20:48
@preactionthat's weird20:48
ckotilits loooong.20:48
ckotilyeah. its gotta be this JS, when i remove it. it works just fine20:50
* perlDreamer heads out for lunch21:00
ckotilheh, you wont believe what the problem was.21:00
ckotil        select.options[0] = new Option("---",0,false,false);21:00
ckotilthe --- caused the rich editor to freak out. i replaced it with just "" and it saved the text21:00
CIA-23WebGUI: daviddelikat * r11149 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 21:23
CIA-23WebGUI: bug #10261: fixed span tag per bug report21:23
CIA-23WebGUI: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1026121:23
@frodwithis the to-be-released beta 7.7.8 or 7.7.9?21:42
@preactionfrodwith: check lib/WebGUI.pm $VERSION, that's the to-be-released version number21:43
@preactioni think 7.7.921:43
@frodwith$VERSION says 821:44
@preactionmine says 7.7.921:44
Mech422I re-ran my build of last nights git clone.. and it _completed_ ?21:46
Mech422gonna run tests now - but what changed ??21:46
@BugSlasherMcGurkit's magic Mech422 21:46
@preactiondid you clean between?21:46
Mech422I rm -rf /data/wrebuild/source /data/wre21:47
Mech422but I did that last night too21:47
Mech422this is just scary21:47
@preactiondunno then. magic!21:47
+BartJolI remember that Koen had something similar22:02
+BartJolbut dunno whether that was wre or webgui22:02
Mech422Its installing wG now..22:04
Mech422then I'll fire up the test suite22:04
Mech422is this broken atm ? t/Asset/Redirect/mech.t22:20
Mech422it seems to have failed the first 3 tests, then aborted with status 255 ?22:20
Mech422perlDreamer: hey - poll.t passes all tests :-)22:24
Mech422including the infamous test 422:24
Mech422t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/edit.t also seems to have aborted22:31
Mech422and Auth/mech.t22:31
Mech422and POE server component throws a compile warning 22:32
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Mech422that seems to be it :-)22:32
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@preactionperlDreamer: got time for a question quick?22:36
WebGUI1wre 0.9.3 compiles fine on debian etch22:36
Mech422WebGUI1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m2a911be622:36
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Mech422WebGUI1: how odd - it just compiled here as well22:37
SynQpidgin is not the most splendid irc client22:37
SynQto say the most22:37
TrexHey folks. I was wondering if anyone else has encountered the issue with the new Office 2007 XML document format and problems it causes when someone tries to download such documents from a website.22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11150 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine.22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11151 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Account/Profile.pm): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend22:38
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11152 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.7.9/root_import_account_profile_default-view-profile-template.wgpkg: whoops, forgot the updated template22:38
SynQMech422: I'm using JT's source tarball22:38
SynQthis one http://update.webgui.org/wre/source/wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz22:38
Trex(specifically downloading from IE -- the problem doesn't arise in Firefox)22:38
SynQI'm going to recompile on lenny too22:39
SynQusing that one22:39
Mech422SynQ: I have no idea what changed but the git checkout fromlast nite started working22:39
SynQit must have been the moon22:39
SynQor one of the other planets22:40
@preactionTrex: it provides a fix at the bottom for Apache22:40
SynQor maybe the musqito I killed last night22:40
SynQbut hey22:41
SynQif it works I'm happy22:41
Trexpreaction: yes -- but only having minimal experience mucking with Apache, I wanted to see if anyone else had addressed the problem, and could confirm whether that change wouldn't impact a standard WebGUI installation.22:41
@preactionthat change should not hurt anything WebGUI does. it only affects the files that apache sends22:42
TrexAlso, I wanted to confirm which file this would go in -- in a standard WRE setup. Would you add it to modproxy.conf? or modperl.conf? Or does it not matter?22:42
TrexBoth of those files have similar blocks of "AddType"22:42
@preactionTrex: probably best to put it in both22:43
Mech422SynQ: yeah - its nice it's working... I'd like to know why though - I didn't change anything..22:44
Trexpreaction: Thanks! Is this something that might be considered a "bug" or feature request -- a standard enough issue users will see that it's worth adding to the default WebGUI config files?22:44
TrexOr should I just add something to the wiki to let people who discover the problem fix it for themselves?22:44
Mech422SynQ: anyway - if you get a chance to build 9.3 from git on Lenny, I'd interested to here how it goes22:44
SynQI'm trying that right now22:46
@preactionTrex: i would post it as an RFE with the lines, that way it can get in quickly22:46
@preactionit's also an RFE agains the WRE, not WebGUI (making sure you pick the right project will make it easier to get it in)22:46
SynQMech422: and as I said, on ubuntu 9 too22:46
SynQfor our friends at Oqapi22:47
Mech422SynQ: the 2 spectre compile bugs are due to POE's server component having a 'my' declaration that masks one at a higher level22:47
TrexGood point. Also, I'd forgotten that today was Bugfix Day. Is that what the rest of you are working on at the moment?22:48
@preactionbugs? in a manner of speaking yes22:48
Mech422nappy time..23:04
Mech422later all23:04
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+perlDreamerdown to 70 bugs23:14
CIA-23WebGUI: paul * r11153 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #10266: Public Profile overrides Able to be friend23:23
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+perlDreamerwhat, stopping so soon?23:23
@rizensince i don't seem to be getting any bugs fixed due to having to help everyone and their brother with something23:24
@rizeni don't deserve the moniker23:24
@frodwithyou could be BugFiddlerMcSmith23:26
+perlDreamerrizen: I'd like to close out this bug23:28
+perlDreamerno feedback for 6 weeks23:28
+perlDreamerand it's working like it should23:28
+perlDreamerit looks like he wants to be able to say "yes" or "no" instead of 1 or 023:28
+perlDreamerall, I'm going to work on the dirty thing field bug23:31
@rizenok go ahead23:31
@rizenbut then file a new bug23:31
@rizenbecause helpdesk should have autoclosed it23:31
@rizenif there was no feedback after 2 weeks23:31
@rizenyou're saying it's been marked "Feedback Reequested" for 6 weeks, right?23:32
SynQsmoking hardware in your office is never a good thing23:34
SynQone of my 22" tft's just died on me23:34
@preactionyeah, stick to weed23:34
SynQwhite smoke was coming out of it23:34
+perlDreamerrizen, yes23:34
SynQand the smell of molten plastics23:34
+perlDreamerif you let out the magic smoke, it won't work anymore23:35
@preactionSynQ: that's the good stuff! hit that like mike tyson!23:35
+perlDreamertry to collect it all and they may be able to put it back in23:35
SynQI have inhaled some of it, perhaps now my eyes will have 1600x1200 pixels soon23:35
SynQperlDreamer: do you think I should care about the amount of karma I have and others get/23:37
SynQor shouldn't I?23:37
+perlDreamerI don't answer questions anymore, unless you give me karma23:38
SynQok, hang on...23:38
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11154 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Search.pm: Oops, didn?t notice the lc shift, removing unnecessary case-insensitive matching from regex.23:38
SynQperlDreamer: done :)23:39
@rizenyou know, maybe i still do deserve the moniker. have i closed more bugs than anybody else today?23:39
+perlDreameryes, you have rizen23:39
SynQrizen: is bugfixing day a competition?23:39
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@BugSlasherMcGurkthen i shall keep the moniker until someone takes it from me by fixing more bugs than me23:41
SynQmcgurk forever :)23:41
SynQI'm going to walk the dog23:43
+perlDreamerrizen, want to pinch-hit one for me?23:46
+perlDreamerI put in a fix for this bug a while ago, and it seems like it's working, but I don't know for sure, because it's a widget.23:46
+perlDreamercan you look at a widget and tell me if it's working correctly?23:46
@BugSlasherMcGurki can't fix a bug for you23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurkthen i'd who would get the credit?23:49
@BugSlasherMcGurki don't understand the problem23:50
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhy can't you test it?23:50
@BugSlasherMcGurki'm enabling the macro on my dev box23:52
+perlDreamerI think it works fine, but again, I don't know what it's supposed to do in the first place.23:53
+perlDreamerand you can take the credit23:55
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@preactionit's supposed to show a gear icon, and then when you paste the code, it should show the exact asset you specified by ID in the widget macro definition23:56
@BugSlasherMcGurkyup it works23:59
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+perlDreamerthen I'll track down the commit, backport it to 7.6, and close it out00:00
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@rizenok i'm giving up00:02
@rizenmy brain hurts00:02
@rizenthat's 11 for me today00:02
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11155 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Search.pm t/Search.t docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): Fixed #10211: Regex quantifiers like ? and + broke search engine.00:09
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11156 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): 00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: Prevent Form/File from returning links in getValueAsHtml if there's00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: no real value in the storage element to return.00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11157 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/File.pm): Backporting Form/File fix for empty storage.00:23
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11158 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Update from translation server00:23
+BartJolSynQ, have you managed to compile wre 0.9.3 for debian today, when I left it looked like you would have a busy day00:30
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+BartJoloh rizen, on a side notice, has Sarah our phonenumbers00:33
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SynQBartJol: I can confirm that wre 0.9.3 build still fails on debian lenny, but success I had on debian etch00:35
@rizenBartJol: no idea00:35
SynQ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl it says00:35
@rizenBartJol: i recommend emailing them to her00:35
SynQwhile making imagamagick00:35
+BartJolI am mailing Sarah00:36
+BartJoltoo bad it doesn't compile00:36
+perlDreamerSynQ, the Widget bug is fixed00:37
+BartJolwell, let's try it then, maybe a bit late, but hey..00:38
SynQperlDreamer: widget bug?00:38
+perlDreamerdidn't you submit a bug under the name LoopSetShop?00:39
@rizenwhat's a good visual FTP client for linux?00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11159 /translations/German/German/Account_Inbox.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11160 /translations/German/German/Activity_RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11161 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): Multiple fixes for Widget, templating, handling assetIds that are not safe for JS, etc.00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11162 /translations/German/German/Asset_Carousel.pm: Update from translation server00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11163 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Remove debugging.00:39
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11164 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document bug fix for Widget, actual rev 1047400:39
+perlDreamerrizen, you want something that works with GTK or K, or something standalone?00:39
@rizenstand alone00:40
+BartJolloopsetshop is Koen's brother00:40
@rizenhow is filezilla on linux00:40
+perlDreamerlet me check00:40
+perlDreamerI always use nsftp00:40
@rizenbut that's command line, right?00:40
+perlDreamerfilezilla is pretty good00:43
+perlDreamervery simple00:43
+perlDreamer1 screen00:43
+perlDreamerhost, username, password00:43
+perlDreamerthen two panes00:43
+perlDreamerhere, and over there00:43
+perlDreamerdrag and drop looks like it would work00:43
SynQrizen: on debian etch ldconfig -v | grep perl gives me nothing whereas on debian lenny that gives me: libperl.so.5.10 -> libperl.so.5.10.000:45
SynQcould that break the WRE compile?00:45
SynQcould that explain why if you put the path to the wre perl in the configure line it would compile?00:46
SynQand also why it would compile if you leave out the -lperl for that matter?00:47
@rizenno idea00:47
@rizeni know very little about C00:47
@rizenbasically i compile until i have a problem00:47
@rizenthen i google my way out of it00:47
SynQuh huh00:47
SynQsame here00:47
SynQI think the knowledge of someone who does know about C and compiling and linking stuff with that would help a lot here :)00:48
SynQanyone in tha house know about C?00:48
SynQwe definately need the --with-perl             enable build/install of PerlMagick switch :)00:49
SynQthe odd thing is00:51
SynQI did get that version of ImageMagick to compile before00:52
SynQI'm gonna see what happens if I remove the LD=ld there00:52
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+BartJolwell let's see whether the compiling works, fine up till now01:07
+BartJolSynQ shall I package it before continuing? at least we will have a wre 0.9.3 debian etch package01:10
+BartJolor do you have one already?01:11
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+perlDreamer61 open bugs02:36
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+perlDreamerhey, patspam!02:50
+perlDreamerdown to 62 bugs02:51
+perlDreamernot bad considering we started at the mid 90's02:52
+patspamrock on. I'm looking at r11116 for backportability02:52
+perlDreamerit's gnarly02:53
+patspamgood turn-out for the bug-fix day?02:53
+perlDreamerdaviddelikat was fixing bugs, yung and MrHairgrease, too02:53
+perlDreamerWRE 0.9.3 was released02:53
+perlDreameryou don't have a safari browser around, do you patspam?02:56
+perlDreamer61 bugs02:56
+patspamdoes my iphone count?02:57
+perlDreamernot sure02:57
+perlDreameryung was looking for a safari user to verify a rendering problem02:57
+perlDreamerand an iphone might just throw more questions into the mix02:58
+patspamdon't all the PB guys use OSX?03:05
+perlDreameryup, they're busy, or ignoring me, or both, or something else altogether03:06
+patspamas soon as andy appears I'll ask him03:06
+perlDreamereven though it's tomorrow in Australia, you should still get credit for Bugfix Day03:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11165 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix an i18n typo in the delete album screen.03:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11166 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting gallery album i18n fix.03:08
+perlDreamerand congrats on being added to the credits file03:08
+patspamwoo! thanks :)03:08
+patspamheh thanks for correcting the spelling of my name in that03:08
+perlDreameryou're welcome03:09
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* perlDreamer takes a dinner break03:26
+patspamperlDreamer: i backported that fix03:26
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+perlDreamerthanks, patspam!03:36
+perlDreamer60 bugs03:37
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11168 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Backported fix for #9927: Survey - verbatim03:37
+perlDreamerbug closed03:37
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+perlDreamerI don't see any way to get the expires data for a cache04:17
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* perlDreamer is going to call it a day and night04:26
+perlDreamersee y'all later04:26
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CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc75317c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/Pjsbv09:34
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * r48b4c2e / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch. - http://bit.ly/1aEKhP09:43
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rbc36aad / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Survey changes from master - http://bit.ly/lqgLV09:43
CIA-23webgui: Patrick Donelan flux * rc6ef686 / : 09:43
CIA-23webgui: Merge branch 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui into flux09:43
CIA-23webgui: * 'flux' of git@github.com:pdonelan/webgui:09:43
CIA-23webgui:  Survey - differentiated between endDate and endDateEpoch.09:43
CIA-23webgui: Conflicts:09:43
CIA-23webgui:  lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm - http://bit.ly/hUAfc09:43
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carograyanyone about to help with a tag? or class ?14:34
+bartjollet's hear14:35
+bartjolcarogray: what's it about exactly?14:38
carograyHey! how was your sailing - looked for you off the coast of Norfolk, but the furthest South we got was Weybourne! Lovely weather eh?14:39
+bartjolit sure was!14:39
+bartjolbut not enough wind on the way back, it took us 44 hours14:39
carograyayah! yes, we found not a lot of wind too. However this was good for my husband cause he is learning to use a kite for sailing14:40
carograyhe was just using a trainer kite on the beach - working up to learning to kite board etc.14:40
carograyanyhow my question is  whether there is an HTML <glossary> tag14:41
+bartjolbut you wanted help?14:41
carograyor whether there is an "accepted"  way of using HTML CSS for displaying words that eventually we want to put into or link to definitions14:42
carograyor XHTML ...14:42
carograywhatever 14:42
+bartjolwell, I'm looking14:43
+bartjolmmm, wel the only thig I can come up with is to embed them in the keyword section in the metadata14:46
+bartjolbut that doesn't sound like that's what you want14:46
carograynot sure.....what you mean what would I embed in the metadata exactly, but also that would have to be unique for each article? unless I made a prototype article will all the things embedded in every article?14:48
carograyor rather a template for the article?14:48
carograystill not sure about what you mean by embed in metadata14:48
+bartjolsorry, trying to do 2 things at a time, as a man, that's impossible14:50
carograythere is a big design conference coming up in June in Boston - I may try to see if I can get answers to solutions to the problem there - I have just been blithely gettig people to tag our glossary words with <glossary> thinking this is a tag and just discovered yesterday there isn't really an html <glossary> tag and it is making a mess of some articles14:50
+bartjolbut now I'm back14:50
+bartjolmoving pixels around is tiring14:51
carograymoving pixels? 14:51
+bartjolbut these words should only be visible in the source html?14:51
carograythe words? no I want the words to show in the text, but for now they shouldn't look any different14:52
+bartjolthe keyword I mean is the field keywords in the metadata, which are used by search engines14:52
+bartjolmaybe you can put a <span> tag around it with a class14:52
carograyso say we have a long article that has words like, "lease" "retaliate" "tenant" 14:53
+bartjoland later give that class propertties14:53
carograyyes.... that is exactly what I was thinking by using the glossary tag. Identify the word for now - only in source, but then later14:53
+bartjolwell span it is then I thinkl14:54
carograywhen we have figured out how/what we want to do go back and do something with the identified words14:54
carograythanks for this ! 14:54
+bartjolno problem14:54
carograyso just simply put each word in <span>retaliate</span> tags like this?14:54
+bartjolyeah, and do give it a class14:55
+bartjolmakes the css afterwards easier14:56
+bartjolbut probably you can do without a class14:56
+bartjolas long as they are in a common container14:56
carograyso <span class="glossary"> retaliate</span> and just don't define the class? Perhaps we should also give them an individual id like the word itself for future ref also?14:57
carograyso <span class="glossary" id="retaliate"> retaliate</span>14:58
carograyor not?14:58
+bartjolwell, that depends on what you wanna do with it later14:58
carograywould the extra id get in the way?14:58
+bartjolthat has use as long it should be shown differnent14:58
+bartjolno, it shouldn't14:58
carograyyou mean unique id's?14:58
+bartjolas long as it exists only a single time14:58
carograyon a page right?14:59
+bartjolwell the classes are used by css to give it properties14:59
+bartjolbut if you want to link them, that should be done in html and adding an id will be useless14:59
+bartjolso only if they should have, let's say differnt colors, it has use15:00
carograythere wouldn't be a way to in the css set up some sort of glossary list so that every unique id or class would when mouse overed have some sort of definition appear?15:01
+bartjollet me think15:02
+bartjolmmm, i made something like that15:03
+bartjolaah, I know :(15:03
+bartjolwe don't host that site anymore15:04
carograyoh :-(15:04
+bartjolbut you have a hoover p[roperty for a span15:04
+bartjolor at least somewhere15:04
carograyoh hover15:05
carograyI get it15:05
carograyI was thining vacuum cleaners - British Hoover15:06
+bartjolhey, I am only Dutch15:06
+bartjolbut for link there is a hover property. but like the editing part for an asset, those properties have hover text too15:07
+bartjolso just rip that functionality15:07
carograyoh yeah - of course.15:08
carograyso how do I "rip that functionality"?15:08
carograycan I see it in the source when I am in edit mode?15:09
+bartjolmaybe here:15:10
+bartjollooks like it's javascript15:10
+bartjolwhich makes some sense15:11
carograyyes, this looks really good. 15:11
carograyI don't know that much about java script, we already use it in some places for showing and hiding footnotes, so I guess we can try this too, not sure how it would work with/for screen readers -this particular feature, but at least it's a start.15:12
+bartjolwell, my approach to javascript is: copy paste stuff you know that works and leave it be15:14
+bartjoland I managed to get this done once, so you should be able to find working code 15:15
carograyright - this is a great start to getting me thinking again about the problem...thanks!15:16
+bartjolgood, and if ou have more question, I'll dig deeper and will look if I can find what I made last time15:16
carograyright - thanks a lot for this - I am trying to get one of our admins to fix a ton of Word docs and then post them on WebGUI so she is just learning HTML and I am throwing so much at her15:17
carograyI need to figure out a way for her to get some of this in now and then go back later to fine tune15:18
+bartjolWord documents...mmmm15:18
+bartjolbut if she's just learning, a quick cource on w3schools mifght be a plan15:19
carograyyah the w3schools is excellent.15:20
+bartjolespecially if you have to transform word docs to html15:20
carograyI just used a lot of it yesterday in my introduction to basic HTML for editors, but Bee, my helper is having to do catch and identify all kinds of messes15:21
+bartjola lot of work I see15:21
carograythere are alll these endnotes brought over from word with messy long and complicated corruptions that she needs to replace with ^PageUrl()# and stuff15:21
carogray ugh15:21
+bartjolwell, at least you don't have to do that alone15:22
carogray can't give her too much to do, cause she still wasted a whole morning yesterday opening a file in IE and saving it which messed up all her a href's big time... I won't go into it, but i can't give her too many new things at once15:22
carograythank god!15:23
carograyand thank our funders!15:23
+bartjolwas that a particular site?15:23
carograythe trick is to think enough ahead of time so that we don't have to keep going back and fixing stuff cause my directions wer eporr or wrong15:23
carograyyes, MassLegalHelp.org15:24
+bartjolpeople do need stuff like that15:24
carograyright - now if I can only get David Huggins back on to fixing the tell a friend thing I have been killing him with we can get back to more improvements... must get on with my naggin15:25
carograythanks again for taking the time this morning/today to help me AGAIN! 15:26
+bartjolagain, no problem :)15:26
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ckotilIs it possible to change the text color via the rich editor in 7.5.32?16:03
+MrHairgreasetry to enable the foreground color option in the rich editor's conifg16:05
ckotilah. ok.16:06
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ckotilim troubleshooting some 'issues' my users are having. stupid stuff like 'urls for links and email arent being parsed automatically correctly' 'table size cant be changed when pasted into webgui' 'hwo do i change text color'16:07
ckotilat least the 3rd question appears valid.16:07
ckotilthanks MrHairgrease , that worked.16:14
+MrHairgreasegood luck with your support quest16:14
ckotilim not going to spend much time on it. the other 2 seem like user error to me16:15
ckotilim going to tell them how to do what they want to do.16:15
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+perlmonkey2howdy doody.17:13
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+perlDreamermorning, folks17:51
+perlDreamerI don't know if y'all heard, but my son Peter was hit in the head with a soccer ball yesterday17:51
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+perlDreamerthey took him to the ER because he lost consciousness, and couldn't walk for a while17:51
+perlDreamerbut the CAT scan came back okay, and he's been acting normally17:52
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: is he okay now?17:52
+perlDreamerthey thought so17:52
+perlDreamerrang his bell pretty well17:52
SquOnkperlDreamer: Sorry to hear that.17:53
+perlmonkey2you okay?  Must have taken a few years off your life in worry.17:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: How old is he?17:53
+perlDreamerHe's 1017:53
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+perlDreamerI was more angry than worried, but yeah.  Yesterday wasn't fun.17:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: Oh. I was hit in the head by a batted baseball when I was 7...17:53
+perlDreameryow.  They're hard, too.17:53
SquOnkperlDreamer: ...I turned out all right. Or so I think :)17:53
+perlDreamerwell, you did choose Debian over Fedora, but that could be for other reasons17:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: Was it while playing or just a randomly kicked ball?17:54
+perlDreamerHe was playing some variant of soccer.  Two goals, three balls.17:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: My choosing of Debian over Fedora has to do with a quarter of a century of Unix experience, basically :)17:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: Oh. Interesting.17:54
+perlDreamerI know SquOnk, just can't help teasing you.17:54
SquOnkperlDreamer: So, he was looking the other way when he got hit in the head.17:55
+perlDreamerno, he got hit in the forehead.  He probably was looking at another ball17:55
SquOnkperlDreamer: Good news is that the forehead _is_ the best place to be hit with a soccer ball.17:56
SquOnkperlDreamer: If the CAT scan doesn't show anything, just forget about it.17:56
+perlDreameryeah, he got have been hit in the face, or the back of the head...17:56
SquOnkperlDreamer: Until you hit 12-14 the cranium hasn't soldered yet.17:57
SquOnkperlDreamer: The seams in between the bones are still very flexible and the brain is resting inside two coats with liquids.17:57
SquOnkperlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a kid, the seams between the bones absorb most of the kinetic energy, while the amount left has to be handled by the liquid where the brain floats.17:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: The movement the brain has can have the effects you described, but once the "turbulence" goes away and everything settles down, you end up ok.17:58
SquOnkperlDreamer: When you get hit in the head as a grown up... you'll break your skull or get a concussion because there are no moving parts to dissipate the kinetic energy.17:59
+perlDreamerseems like a design flaw...17:59
SquOnkperlDreamer: No, it's just evolution.17:59
* MrHairgrease is looking for a child to test the theory18:00
SquOnkperlDreamer: Once you've grown you've already reproduced and you should be wise enough not to get hit in the head :)18:00
carograyweighing in here.18:00
carograyI am an old fart, my kids are 19 and 2118:00
carograymy son has had countless concussions18:00
carograyalthough I dont recommend it, he is still an amazingly brilliant if determined, stubborn cuss18:01
carograyhis last one happened just a couple of months ago. He is ski patrol on a snowboard at our local mountain18:01
SquOnkperlDreamer: You should worry about hits in the head if the kids are nearsighted.18:01
carograykids are amazingly resilient - mine would no longer be around if they weren't18:02
SquOnkperlDreamer: Nearsighted people (like me) have a slighter fragile retina than the rest of people.18:02
SquOnkperlDreamer: A hard hit in the head could lead to retina tearing. And that's very bad.18:02
SquOnkThat's why I stopped playing soccer once I entered college. I've been 6'2" 200 lbs. since I was 16 years old, had a mighty right leg kick... but could afford the risk to a header18:04
SquOnk...so it was best to just leave the game18:04
SquOnkNow its carom billiards or plain jogging.18:04
+MrHairgreaseI have -15 glasses and never tore my retina,18:05
+MrHairgreasebut then again18:05
+MrHairgreaseI never played soccer18:05
SquOnkMrHairgrease: Just avoid bumping your head :)18:05
+MrHairgreasewell I did in school18:05
+MrHairgreasebut only because I had too18:05
+MrHairgreasesquonk, I just moved into an old warehouse where the ceiling beams are about 1.90 meters above the floor18:06
+MrHairgreaseI fit just below them18:06
+MrHairgreasebut the doorpost of my bathroom is slightly lower18:06
+MrHairgreaseI already lost count how many times i crashed my head into those things18:07
daviddelikatI had a basement like that18:07
daviddelikatafter a while you just bend in half and miss the beams18:08
daviddelikatexcept when you are in a hurry18:08
daviddelikatthen you just crack your head open18:08
+MrHairgreaseyeah, I'm getting conditioned too18:08
+MrHairgreasethe ramming frequency seems to drop over time18:08
daviddelikatI'm afraid of what people will see if I ever lose my hair18:08
daviddelikatprobably just covered with scars18:08
+MrHairgreasea bald guy?18:08
daviddelikatnot yet18:09
daviddelikatbut theres potential18:09
SquOnkA roadmap of Kansas?18:09
daviddelikatnever been there18:09
daviddelikatbut it wont be iowa thats for sure18:09
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease, get a SawZAll and _adjust_ the height of the door frame18:09
+perlDreamerhack it18:09
+perlDreamerit's not perl, but it'll work18:09
daviddelikatactually not a bad idea18:10
daviddelikatjust make sure to attach some 2x4's to the sides for structure18:10
daviddelikatand strength18:10
+MrHairgreasethe building date of my house if before 190618:11
+MrHairgreasebut prolly a long time before18:11
+MrHairgreaseI'm not sure if that would be a good idea18:11
+MrHairgreasealso, the guy who rents it to me prolly won't be thrilled18:12
daviddelikatyeah those landlords can be picky18:13
daviddelikatthey think they own the place18:13
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+perlDreamerbopbop, may have a bugfix for the Dashboard/Shortcut userPrefs bug in a few minutes18:17
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MordicaalHey all, General question about the collaboration system and various other jwobjects(i think there called)19:18
+perlDreamerAssets or wobjects.  We've been just calling them assets.19:18
+perlDreamerWhat's the question?19:18
MordicaalThere is a page, that follows a users submission of a form. Is there an easy mode way to make that page forward back to where the user frist started editing the "asset"19:18
MordicaalI like asset :P lets stick with that :)19:18
+perlDreamerthat page has a template19:19
+perlDreameryou should be able to modify it to do a http redirect back to the original asset19:19
+perlDreamerinstead of displaying the nice message which tells them that due to version control, what they submit may not show up on the site immediately19:19
MordicaalAye, that was the route I was going. However, I can't seem to locate the template.19:19
+perlDreamerwhat version of WebGUI?19:20
Mordicaal7.5 i belive19:20
+perlDreamerlook for a postReceivedTemplate19:20
+perlDreamerit's only in 7.6 or higher19:21
+perlDreameris upgrading an option?19:21
MordicaalNope, however let me find out for sure what version19:23
+perlDreamertavisto: this is your life - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2a8TRSgzZY19:25
@tavistohehe yep I've seen that19:27
@tavistowe didn't budget for this.....19:27
+perlDreamerWe'll roll it into the next one19:27
+perlDreamerWe'll pay for it this time, but we want to watch how you make it so we can do it ourselves next time.19:28
+perlDreamerI love that one, because wG  is open source19:28
@tavistoI've got a few line items I'd like to remove19:29
+perlDreamerI'll cover costs, but I'm not willing to do more19:29
@tavistowhat we'll need you to do is show us how you did everything... so we can do it ourselves19:29
+perlDreamerso what's new in WebGUI marketing?19:29
+perlDreamerI'm looking for a great story for WNN #519:30
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11170 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm.orig: Remove patch temporary file.19:38
MordicaalperlDreamer: I think I got it, thanks.19:56
+perlDreamerit worse comes to worse, you can change the code in Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm in 7.519:58
MordicaalHaha, im perl-tarded. Where can I make that edit?20:31
Mordicaalah, yeah... i dont have access to the modules :P20:38
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+perlDreamerMordicaal, I gotta scoot, but I can help you track it down when I come back from the gym20:43
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@tavistoif someone adds something to the /import folder while in the asset manager (say an article or snippet), why does it return them to the Failsafe template instead of back to the asset manager21:29
@Haargsounds like a bug21:31
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@tavistowell I'm not sure though21:37
@tavistoif someone adds a piece of content from the asset manager, is it supposed to take them back to the asset manager or display the content in inline editing view?21:37
@Haargit should take them back to the asset manager i would say21:39
@tavistosomething else I found strange was that it would only do it if I had the /import folder's template set to failsafe. If it was set to style3, then it would instantly just take me back to the home page inline editing view21:39
@tavistoalright, I think that's what I would expect as well. Since they are in one interface, they should return to that same interface after they add content to it21:40
@tavistothanks haarg21:40
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+perlDreamer6 hours in the Dashboard22:38
+perlDreamermy head is spinning22:38
@preactionit's not so bad, there's not much to it really22:39
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+perlDreamerpreaction, it is very simple on the surface, but debugging the overrides caching bug was not fun.22:58
@preactionyeah, i don't like how shortcuts work with dashboard. i don't like how shortcuts work with metadata either23:00
+perlDreamerwhat do you want to change?23:00
@preactionshortcuts + metadata should be a new asset (something far easier to set up. perhaps link a metadata to a profile field with a simple checkbox)23:02
+perlDreamerand how 'bout the dashboard, or is it one and the same?23:03
@preactionshortcuts + dashboard = new asset type, dashlets. they work like normal assets, but inside dashboard they have ways for users to customize certain parts for their own uses23:03
+perlDreamerbut wasn't the point of shortcut dashlets that you could use existing assets?23:04
+perlDreamerrather than building all new ones?23:04
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@preactionright, but thats proving to be a nightmare. the only way to customize a dashlet currently for you is for the admin to use the ##userPref## thing (something I never knew until there was a bug earlier this year)23:06
@preactionand then for you to update your profile. 23:06
@preactioninstead of a nice form that pops up23:06
+perlDreamerit has a nice form that pops up for you to update your profile.23:07
+perlDreamerit's the little green edit button23:07
+perlDreamerand while ##userPref:something## is ugly, it lets you embed the profile field data setup for this dashlet in existing content.23:08
+perlDreamermaybe it needs a special macro or something instead23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11171 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: 6 bugs fixed in Shortcut.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Added missing POD and i18n'ed some error messages.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Set the UI level on a tab to work with the form elements it contains.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Change the title bar ajax edit form so that people can't accidently change Visitor's profile.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Remove overrides caching if admin mode is on.23:08
CIA-23WebGUI: Have caching consider the user's last updated time to check if profile settings are updated, too.23:08
@preactionwell consider this: if we have dashlets, we can shortcut the dashlet to put on the home page. So the user can see their weather before they get to the dashboard ;)23:09
@preactiontheir weather, because the dashlet reads from their configuration23:09
@preactionthe ##userPref## i think only works when the shortcut is below a dashboard23:09
* SynQ has been reading this: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/advanced-unix-installation.php23:13
+perlDreamerthat is true, because Shortcuts do dual duty23:13
@preactiontriple duty. and two of them are hacky :p23:13
SynQwhich states this: If the argument --with-perl=/path/to/perl is supplied, /../path/to/perl is be taken as the PERL interpreter to use. This important in case the perl executable in your PATH is not PERL5, or is not the PERL you want to use.23:13
SynQso the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl23:14
SynQwhich I'm testing now on lenny23:14
@preactionsounds right, SynQ 23:14
SynQand if that works I'm satisfied23:14
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+perlDreamerpreaction, as long as we don't have to reinvent the SC asset, the stock asset, the weather asset, the article, and all the others as dashlets, I'll be happy23:21
@preactioni figure that all assets can go into the dashboard, just dashlets will have the extra stuff23:22
@preactionor "dashlet" could be an aspect23:22
SynQperlDreamer: have you answered my question on if I should care about karma yet?23:22
@preactionthat creates the page/definition for the user-editable properties23:22
+perlDreamerSynQ.  If karma is important to you, then  you should care about it.23:22
+perlDreamerI only care about it in that it gives me the ability to reward others for good works23:22
SynQkarma (those coupons you get on plainblack) don't matter to me23:23
SynQbut real people do23:23
SynQhang on...23:23
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SynQMech422: the fix for ImageMagick to compile is probably --with-perl=$WRE_ROOT/prereqs/bin/perl23:27
SynQin build.sh23:27
SynQI'm testing that right now23:27
SynQif --with-perl it takes the perl compiler from $PATH23:28
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Mech42227s lag ? wow...23:28
Mech422yeah - I have that23:29
Mech422yes, thats in the patches ...23:29
Mech422I think its a good idea in general - we should always be explicit about what to use, if we know it23:30
Mech422but that didn't fix it for me - I still needed -L/wre/prereqs/lib/perl/ARCH/CORE (or something like that) needed to LD flag23:31
SynQthat is wierd23:31
Mech422actually - the big messages libtool sticks in the build logs say "your installing to a non-standard location" - and list a couple of ways you can actually use the libs23:32
Mech422libtools seems to think its normal - its one of the 'approved' ways of using the libs it lists ?23:32
Mech422its says to add the _FULL_ path to the lib using -L23:33
Mech422Did your build last night pass the self-tests ?23:33
Mech422you saw the errors I got right ?  Was yours the same ?23:33
SynQI'm building right now23:34
SynQI just want to have a working 0.9.3 for lenny asap23:35
Mech422yeah - my lenny build 'just worked' yesterday23:36
Mech422so I ran some tests23:36
Mech422I ended up with about half a dozen test failures23:36
Mech422Auth/mech.t just plain aborted23:36
Mech422btw - going back to teh explicit thing - it might be good to use -with-ssl=/data/wre.... --with-jpeg=/data/wre... etc etc23:37
Mech422so we _know_ what libs are being used23:38
SynQbut use $WRE_ROOT in build.sh23:39
Mech422yeah - we should dress it up and make it play nice...23:39
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Mech422oh - and we can grep the perl $ARCH/CORE lib from the Perl MakeFile23:39
Mech422its ugly as sin to have the IM build function refer back to the Perl build, but it would work23:40
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Mech422the key is 'shrpdir' and its value is set to the $ARCH/CORE dir...23:42
Mech422steve@webgui1:/data/wrebuild/source/perl-5.10.0$ grep shrpdir Makefile23:42
Mech422shrpdir = /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/x86_64-linux/CORE23:42
Mech422pipe that thru a 'cut' to grab the rhs of the assignment and we should be good23:43
SynQthose last 5 lines are worth a dev mailinglist post23:44
Mech422(since we're assuming build shell is bash, we could prolly use those nifty new bash substition features)23:44
SynQthen it will go by timothy of united knowledge23:44
SynQwho is never on irc23:44
SynQbut does know some things23:44
SynQand I'd like to keep him involved23:45
Mech422I'm just really puzzled why it's suddenly working for everyone...23:45
Mech422I didn't change anything - didn't refresh git or make any local changes23:45
SynQit wasn't for me23:45
SynQthe 0.9.3-source still didn't work23:46
Mech4229.3 from git didnt work for me tues night23:46
Mech422then yesterday when you did the Etch builds, I re-built just for the hell of it23:46
Mech422and it worked - no idea why23:46
Mech422fired it up, created a test site, ran the self tests - even passed the poll.t test about IM and creating png's23:47
Mech422SynQ: anyway - give me a shout when your build/test is done, and we can compare test output...23:50
Mech422SynQ: I'd be interested to see if we get the same results23:50
* Mech422 wanders off for coffee23:50
SynQI don't save log results right now23:52
SynQbut if it works I will 23:52
SynQand send it somewhere23:52
Mech422yeah - I just run/some/test >& junk.log 23:53
Mech422its not perfect - but good enough for quick and dirty23:53
Mech422PerlDreamer gave me a command for running 'prove' that I use to run a 'full' test run23:53
+perlDreamerhe did23:53
+perlDreamerenv WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf prove -r --verbose t/ > test.log 2>&1 &23:54
Mech422perlDreamer: yeah - He's awful helpful that way.. makes teh rest of us look bad :-P23:54
+perlDreamerwho's the guy building WRE 27 some odd times?23:54
+perlDreamerI just hang out in IRC and spout pithy command lines23:55
Mech422ohh! I _knew_ it !! perlDreamer is really an IRC bot !!23:55
+perlDreamer**>& invoke Mech422 cover routine23:55
Mech422almost passes the turing test!23:55
Mech422speaking of bots - anyone seen the new terminator flick ?23:59
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SynQMech422: are you coming to the WUC, or did I ask allready/00:04
Mech422SynQ: I have no idea - I don't even know what I'm doing tommorrow :-)00:05
SynQMech422: it failed again, I say we go with your suggestion00:05
SynQand parse the lib path from the perl source dir00:05
Mech422SynQ: hang on - I get you the IM configure line I used00:05
Mech422oh - I cheated and hard coded for testing :-P00:06
SynQI have a clue on why it worked 'just like that' for you00:06
SynQdid you by any chance run . setenvironment.sh somewhere in /data/wre/sbin before running the ./build again?00:07
SynQsince that would add the WRE perl to your path before the system perl00:07
SynQwich could also be the 'something special' JT uses on his boxes00:07
Mech422yes - but I always do that00:07
Mech422and I rm -rf /data/wre before build00:07
Mech422thatss the configure line for IM I use - please forgive crappy formatting00:08
@preactionheh, what if JT doesn't remove /data/wre before build?00:08
SynQthat is cheating indeed00:09
Mech422preaction: Hmm - I'm not sure what that would do...00:09
SynQpreaction: that wouldn't create a working WRE at all00:09
Mech422preaction: at the very least - he'd be using the wre perl binary instead of the sys. perl00:09
SynQi guess00:09
Mech422which might 'fix' a few things00:09
Mech422Synq: you don't think so ?  00:10
SynQI am now running ./build.sh --imagemagick for the second time00:10
SynQwithout removing /data/wre00:10
SynQperhaps it works then00:10
SynQbut I should actually go to bed00:10
SynQI'll go brush my teeth and come back to check if it worked :)00:11
Mech422SynQ: oh yeah - its late for you ....00:11
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SynQit failed00:16
@preactionperlDreamer: when you added the "sendInboxNotificationsOnly" setting, where did you put the test? t/Account/Inbox.t doesn't exist00:21
+perlDreamerthat was a manual test00:22
+perlDreamersince we don't have a lot of UI level tests yet00:22
@preactionoh, kay. i'll make an auto-test jobber00:22
@preactionyeah, i think that's a problem really ;)00:22
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+perlDreamerdown to 59 bugs00:58
Mech422blah..gotta run01:03
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@preactionanother annoyance from google: 12:00:00am is not the END of a day, it's the BEGINNING of a day...01:14
@preaction11:59:59 or 11:59:60 is the end of the day01:14
+perlDreamerthat's not the way their ICAL feeds work01:15
+perlDreamer12:00:00am is the end of the day01:15
+perlDreamerwhich in our system makes an event span 2 days01:16
@preactionthat's wrong, according to the ISO01:16
+perlDreamerwell, you convince Google of that, and I'll close the bug ;)01:16
@preactioni'm just saying it's wrong. we'll end up writing a workaround in our code, like every smaller vendor does when trying to interact with a larger vendor01:17
@preactionMS, Apple, and now Google01:17
@preactionSun, Oracle, IBM01:17
@preactionperlDreamer: what do they send for DTSTART and DTEND? do they actually send the time?01:19
* perlDreamer doesn't remember01:19
+perlDreamerbut I looked at it when SDuensin first reported the bug01:20
+perlDreamerand remember the end time thing01:20
+perlDreamerand thinking "we're screwed"01:20
@preactionour parser for iCalendar feeds sucks, so it could be our fault01:20
@preactionhttp://www.innerjoin.org/iCalendar/all-day-events.html <- looks like it might be our fault01:21
+perlDreamerso what does it take to replace our parser with an ISO compliant one?01:23
+perlDreamer(aside from writing several tests)01:23
@preactionenough that neither I nor Graham have done so yet01:23
@preactionbut graham kept mentioning to me that he was working on it01:23
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@preactionoh hell: The "DTEND" property for a "VEVENT"01:24
@preactioncalendar component specifies the non-inclusive end of the event. 01:24
@preactionwe're wrong01:24
@preactionour endDate and endTime is inclusive01:24
@preactionand imho our Calendar should do everything the iCalendar way01:25
+perlDreamersounds like a bug to me01:40
@preactionis there a way to quickly grab an HTML element that contains certain nodeType / attributes?01:41
@preactiondo we use anything in our test modules yet?01:41
@preactionHTML::TreeBuilder or something?01:41
@preactionlooks like we don't use that yet, but we have TreeBuilder somehow (it's not in our prereqs)01:43
+perlDreamerthat's what it is01:44
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@preactionshould I use emailToLog to test e-mail sending under normal circumstances? or should I use what t/Mail/Send.t uses?02:30
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+perlDreamerI would use t/Mail/Send.t02:32
+perlDreamerand, I'd refactor out that sub into a WebGUI::Test module, so it doesn't get copy/pasted everywhere02:33
+patspammorning perlDreamer :)02:33
+perlDreamerhey, patspam!02:33
+perlDreamerisn't it about 11:00am down there?02:33
@preactionso two subs: prepareMailServer and sendMail02:33
+perlDreamerdang it02:33
+perlDreamerI may lose power soon02:33
+perlDreamerthunderstorms in the area are destabilizing the grid02:33
+perlDreamerrelease done02:35
+perlDreamerpatspam, I thought I was 18 hours behind you.  Maybe daylight savings differences?02:35
+perlDreamerand how did the trip go last weekend?02:35
@preactionhere's why i like git's way of adding files to commit: I can easily make all my changes into multiple commits. one to refactor the mail server thing, one to add the feature i want02:36
+patspamyeah we shifted with daylight savings a while back02:36
+patspamcycling trip was awesome, the snow stayed away so I wasn't too cold in my multiple layers of lycra :)02:37
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11176 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.7.10 development02:38
* perlDreamer is feeling the need for a fun project02:38
@preactionwhat would you consider fun?02:39
+perlDreamerKarma History browser02:39
+perlDreamerrefactoring large amounts of the tests02:39
+perlDreamerwriting new tests02:39
+perlDreamerI'm thinking the Karma History browser is an evening project, as an Account plugin02:40
+perlDreameror, making the trainsinoregon website for the kids02:40
@preactioni need two different subs. I shouldn't have to send the mail myself, I should just be able to read mail02:40
@preactionooh, i say trainsinoregon!02:41
+perlDreamergood call, preaction02:41
+perlDreamer59 open bugs02:43
+perlDreamerif people would respond to emails, we could close 5 of them in 5 minutes02:43
+perlDreamerdinner break, bbl02:56
+perlDreamernice release, patspam!04:04
@preactionanyone else think that mail should have a timestamp it was added to mailQueue, and then sent in order added at least?04:08
+perlDreamerif no order is set, is the order random, or is it by insertion order?04:09
@preactioncurrently there is no order, so it's whatever mysql returns it in (usually primary key order)04:10
+perlDreamerit's fine with me04:27
+perlDreamerpreaction: what do you think... http://www.trainsinoregon.com/home04:47
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+perlDreameryou're very kind05:24
daviddelikattheres nothing like doubling the RAM in your computer to make the world seem like a better place05:30
+perlDreameroh yeah05:31
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CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11177 /WebGUI/t/ (Mail/Send.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): refactor Mail/Send test to make test smtp server useful05:52
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11178 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: Added getMailFromQueue so we can loop over mail that got queued05:52
+perlDreamerright on, preaction!06:17
+perlDreamerI think the asset manager pagination would do a lot better with 50, instead of 10006:20
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+bartjolafternoon hansw13:41
hanswHi bart, goeden middag :-)13:42
+bartjolI suppose I know you :)13:42
hanswBart, Piramide here13:43
+bartjolI figured that13:43
+bartjolpreaction: do you also do stuff with the i18n site?13:43
+bartjolplainhao: do you?13:45
@plainhaobartjol: the i18n site? not really14:29
+bartjoltoo bad14:30
+bartjolit seems it has a bug14:30
+bartjolbut my i18n script doesn't listen to me14:30
+bartjolshould I ask Haarg then?14:30
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ckotilthe vmware appliance works pretty well. I stood it up on one of my machines at home that is already running apache+mysql for some other stuff. then i used mod_proxy on my apache instance to reach the vm WRE15:15
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+perlDreamerbartjol, I don't understand the i18n server bug.17:39
+perlDreamercan you tell me more about it?17:39
+bartjolI can17:39
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+bartjolgo to the i18n site, choose dutch17:40
+bartjolgo to the account_inbox namespace17:40
+bartjoledit the outofdate message17:40
+bartjoland try to save it17:40
+perlDreamerout of date = yellow?17:40
+perlDreamerthe data saves, but the date does not appear to be updated17:41
+bartjol it should turn green upon saving17:41
+perlDreamerthat, I can fix :)17:41
+bartjolI can't see on the server what happens17:42
+bartjolis it the cgi script17:42
+perlDreamerfor sure17:42
+bartjolstrange is that I tried to set the lastUpdated in my server to epoch time "2"17:43
+bartjoland it didn't recognize that was a few years ago17:43
+perlDreamerwhat happens if you do a commit?17:44
+bartjolon i18n.webgui.org?17:45
+bartjolwhy did you change the text17:47
+perlDreamerto see if it would save17:47
+perlDreamerI would have typed something Dutch, but I don't know any17:48
+bartjolHoi, hoe gaat het?17:50
+perlDreamerI should have put Markeer als gelezen ?17:52
+bartjolwell, if you can't see the diff17:52
+bartjolthat would be useless17:52
+perlDreamerit's running exactly the same translation server cgi as is in git17:53
+bartjolok, do you have an url17:53
+perlDreamerfor what?17:53
+bartjolthat git repo17:53
+bartjolI can compare it to my version17:54
+perlDreamerit's the WebGUI tools repo17:54
+perlDreamerno, working on that url for you17:54
CIA-23WebGUI: jt * r11179 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Group.pm): - Made a change to LDAP auth that adds an OR to that query so that it also searches for a row with fieldData REGEXP '^uid=(value-from-ldap-directory-server),'.17:54
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11180 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (8 files): Update from translation server17:54
+perlDreamerthe code looks fine18:01
+perlDreamerbetter try to fire it up18:01
+perlDreamerthe good news is that all the data is being saved18:01
+perlDreamerlastUpdated time stamp is updating18:01
+perlDreamerso it's just some logic bug somewhere18:02
+bartjolwell, I do have a different version18:02
+bartjolwell, or the date is wrong or the assigned class18:02
+perlDreamerthe date is being saved correctly18:02
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+bartjolwww_display something18:03
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+bartjolit counts as $ood18:07
+perlDreamervery odd18:11
+perlDreameron my local version, it's working fine18:12
+bartjolmine too18:12
+bartjolalthough it is slightly different18:12
+bartjolbut nut that method18:12
+perlDreamerI'm running exactly the same code18:12
+perlDreamerI ran a checksum to double check18:12
@preactionsvn problem maybe?18:12
+bartjolmight be18:12
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+perlDreamerbut it's the same copy as in git18:13
+perlDreameron i18n.webgui.org, and my local machine18:13
+bartjolthat should not be before you try to commit18:13
+bartjolor am I wrong18:13
pvanthonyneed help with wremonitor.18:14
+bartjolwhat's up with that18:14
pvanthonyeverytime wremonitor starts modproxy and modperl dies18:14
pvanthonywhere should I check?18:15
+perlDreamerapache error logs18:15
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SquOnkHi everyone18:16
+bartjolthat or modproxy.error.log18:16
SquOnkUpdated 7.6.25 Debian packages available from my repository.18:16
pvanthonyok will do.18:16
SquOnkAnd I believe I've found a bug.18:16
+bartjolless cool18:16
+perlDreamerbugs in WebGUI?18:16
SquOnkMy 7.6.24 did not work out of the box. Turns out I needed to install Clone18:16
SquOnk(libclone-perl in Debian, that is)18:16
+bartjolyou shopuld test everythjing properly18:17
SquOnkGrepping revealed that18:17
+bartjollike I don't make tupo[s18:17
SquOnk...are using Clone18:17
SquOnkYet testEnvironment does not check for it.18:17
+perlDreamerbut nothing about it in the Gotcha file18:17
SquOnkClone is not core, therefore it should be mentioned as a dependency.18:18
SquOnkThere's nothing in gotcha.txt about that change.18:18
SquOnk...nor in the changelog18:19
+bartjolno mention to me when I did that upgrade,18:19
+bartjolprobably different debian versi0on18:19
SquOnkbartjol: Or you had libclone-perl for _other_ packages.18:19
+perlDreameror you've installed it by hand, bartjol18:19
+perlDreameror some other module required it18:19
SquOnkOne thing I do is test the package on a "freshly installed" system that has close to nothing on it.18:19
+bartjola lot of options18:20
SquOnkThe package has to install cleanly and it did. Then has to work cleanly, and it didn't.18:20
SquOnkSo I found Apache was not starting because the mod_perl startup script was barfing at not finding Clone.18:20
pvanthonywremonitor: found this error in wremonitor18:20
pvanthonyKilled 6 Apache/mod_perl processes that were using too much memory.18:21
SquOnkSo I promptly added my libclone-perl dependency and checked whether or not I missed such new dependency.18:21
SquOnkSo the 7.6.25 package works out of the box again.18:21
pvanthonywhat should the memory setting be mod_perl in wre.conf?18:22
@preactionpvanthony: i would say at least 12000000018:23
pvanthonythank you. Will try it out.18:23
@preactionperlbot math 120 * 1024^218:23
+perlDreamerthat server was rebooted yesterday for the upgrade18:23
@preactionrather, that. 120MB18:23
pvanthonyplease explain what perlbot means18:24
+perlDreamerSquOnk, please file it as a bug, and it'll be included in the next releaes18:24
pvanthonyis it pre site18:24
+perlDreamerI'll find the guy that did that and hang him up by his svn bits18:24
+perlDreamerpvanthony, it's per apache child18:24
+perlDreamerbartjol, I'm going to tinker with the Dutch translation for a sec18:27
+perlDreamerbut I'll put it back the way I found it18:27
+bartjoli'LL KEEP CLEAR18:28
+perlDreamernow there's a real problem18:28
+bartjolmy caps lock?18:28
+perlDreamerbartjol, try to edit an out of date label in Redneck and watch what happens18:28
+perlDreamerI just did, and it works fine18:29
+bartjolI get the same18:29
+bartjoldutch is still the same18:30
+perlDreamerbartjol, do you mean that it changed color, or that it didn't change color?18:31
+bartjolit didn't change color: ie it is not good18:31
SquOnkperlDreamer: Done18:33
+perlDreamerthanks, SquOnk18:33
+perlDreamerbartjol, try Redneck->WebGUI->trash for me, please?18:33
+bartjollike it is good18:34
+perlDreamerwhat did you do to the Dutch translation, bartjol?18:35
+bartjolI think rory did something18:35
+bartjolI didn't do that much lately18:35
+bartjoldon't hurt me! I'm innocent!18:36
+perlDreamerrory's not even here to threaten18:36
+perlDreameror tease :)18:36
+bartjolno he fled18:36
+bartjolhe is scared of me...18:36
+perlDreamerwe're all scared of you bart18:37
+perlDreameryou're big18:37
+perlDreamerkind of like snakes, with badgers and mushrooms18:37
+bartjolnot as big as the big man18:37
+bartjoland he trusts Sarah in our hands18:37
pvanthonywremonitor: had to set the size to 31457280018:39
pvanthonydoes that look right18:40
pvanthonywould apache take that much.18:40
pvanthonyalso noticed that once wremonitor stops modperl it cannot start it up again.18:40
pvanthonymodproxy also cannot be started up by wremonitor.18:41
pvanthonydid I get some config wrong?18:41
+bartjolhave a nice weekend, we're gonna drink with sarah18:44
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pvanthonyany comments about the the setting in wre.conf for modperl?18:53
pvanthonyis 300mb seem correct?18:53
@preactionpvanthony: that means the wremonitor will not kill a modperl process until it's 300m or bigger18:54
@preactionwhich it should never reach, since Apache2::SizeLimit kicks in before that18:54
@preactionsee wre/etc/modperl.pl for that value18:54
pvanthonyshould wremonitor be able to restart a stopped service?18:54
pvanthonyor that is not the job of wremonitor.18:55
pvanthonyjust asking18:55
@preactionyes, it should, but usually if something is wrong it can't18:56
pvanthonyok. thanks. Will check my configs again.18:57
@preactionquestion: Should the Thread class's "getNextThread" and "getPreviousThread" take sticky threads into account?19:10
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11181 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (sbin/testEnvironment.pl docs/gotcha.txt): 19:11
CIA-23WebGUI: Document that Clone 0.31 is now required. This was missed in the19:11
CIA-23WebGUI: 7.6.24 release.19:11
@preactionIOW: if I hit the first Sticky thread, should the "next" thread be the second sticky thread?19:11
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11182 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Account_Inbox.pm: Fix typos in the lastUpdated for newly added Account_Inbox labels.19:26
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11183 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Document fix for strange i18n server behavior.19:26
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pvanthonythanks to everyone. Have a great weekend. bye19:42
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@preactionalright, different question: Should getNextThread / getPreviousThread act like the getThreadsPaginator of the Collab?20:04
@preactionright now there's more than one difference between the two...20:04
+perlDreamerI think they should20:09
@preactionwhat about the sticky thing? i can see both sides (yes and no)20:09
@preactionoh god damn it, there's ANOTHER way to get posts...20:12
@preactioni'm up to 5 now20:12
@preactionyeah, i think this adventure is getting a blog post...20:23
+perlDreamerHe's off to see the wizard...20:24
@preaction2 of them check version tags, 2 of them use "rating" instead of "threadRating", two of them use existing methods, two of them process input (in an API method... bad!)20:24
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CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11184 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added test for adjacent threads20:40
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11185 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration/getThreads.t: fixed problem in test using <=> instead of cmp20:40
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11186 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post/Thread/getAdjacentThread.t: added tests for getAdjacentThread20:40
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11187 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm: fixed issue with getSortOrder and rating20:40
CIA-23WebGUI: doug * r11188 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: added changelog entry20:40
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dionakhi all. i'm trying out the version tag approval workflow on 7.6. We just completed an upgrade and I have a site that has the 'commit with approval' workflow set in settings for the default version tag workflow.20:52
dionakhow does one approve the changes? is it email only?20:53
@preactionthe site sends an inbox message, which may or may not get sent to your e-mail20:53
dionakmay or may not?20:53
@preactionif you don't have an e-mail address, it can't send an e-mail20:53
dionakoh. does it send to all Admins?20:54
@preactionit sends to the Group To Approve in the workflow activity "Get Approval From ..." properties20:54
@preactionby default, Content Managers20:54
dionakok, i also just noticed messages in my inbox on the site20:54
@preactioncheck out my presentation from last year's WUC about "Advanced Workflow"20:54
@preactionit goes through all the fun ways you can send approval notices20:55
dionakoh nice! that's exactly what i need20:55
dionakthanks preaction20:55
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11189 /translations/Italian/Italian/ (21 files): Update from translation server20:56
@preactionhttp://www.webgui.org/wgtv/building-advanced-workflows#1ncAXk__Z8aGTh1yH_EvEQ <- this one20:56
dionakthe next thing my client is going to ask is how to easily preview the changes20:56
dionakdoes the tag activate when i click through to the version tag link? looks like it should20:57
@preactionit doesn't activate, but the "view" link lets you see the asset as it will be when you approve it20:58
@preactionbeing able to join the tag as you approve it would be a nice feature, but the problem is that sometimes non-Turn Admin On are approving20:58
@preaction(so they'd never be able to leave the tag, because they can't turn admin on)20:58
dionakit looks like if I don't get the email, I can't deny/approve. is this your understanding as well?21:01
@preactionif you don't get the inbox message, no, there's no way to get the link (unless you typed it in manually)21:04
@preactionthere's currently no place to get a list of all the tags awaiting your approval (which I hope to change)21:04
dionakI think that is an important ability21:04
+perlDreamersounds like an account plugin21:05
@preactionit should be pretty easy, just get the workflowId from the assetVersionTag table, then instanciate the workflow, get the currentActivityId, instanciate that activity, and check user->isInGroup( $instance->groupToApprove )21:05
@preactionokay, so if these fixes in the collab system (major refactor) aren't going in until WebGUI 8, that means I can just do it and merge later21:41
* perlDreamer goes running21:52
+perlDreamerthe fun run is next Saturday, so I need to get in some more miles21:52
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oversillohi, sorry for my bad english, can i setup webgui to host multi sites ?22:09
@preactionoversillo: yes. all you need to do is make more config files in /data/WebGUI/etc22:10
@preactionif you're using the WRE, you can just "addsite.pl --sitename=<newsite>"22:10
oversillopreaction, ohh.. thanks22:10
oversillowebgui is very cool22:11
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@tavistowebgui roxxorz00:22
+perlDreamerit's because of the superior marketing effort00:27
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hanswpreaction, does it just add an server alias and restart apache?00:37
hanswthat would be cool00:37
+perlDreameraddsite.pl just builds configuration files for the WRE00:38
hanswbut the database should be domain aware for that00:38
+perlDreameryou have to restart modperl and modproxy and spectre after that00:38
hanswthey are restarted when you restart apache afaik, so that is only one restart00:39
hanswmaybe spectre requires some other restart?00:39
+perlDreamerin the WRE, there is one apache for running webgui00:39
+perlDreameranother apache for running mod_proxy00:39
hanswhmmm, why?00:39
+perlDreamermemory usage, and speed00:39
+perlDreamerthe apache running mod_proxy is really stripped down00:40
hanswah, ok00:40
+perlDreamerit serves up static content, and dispatches to the mod_perl apache that WebGUI runs under00:40
hanswis caching also configured in the mod_proxy instance?00:40
hanswin that case it could be used to load balance more or less00:41
hanswon seperated servers00:41
hanswimages and documents on server x, database on server y, proxy on z00:42
@preactionwell really you could put the images on z as well00:42
hanswx and y could be alterred00:42
@preactioni've got a blog post on the spike about how the WRE has changed over the years: unless your image is protected from Everyone (only Registered Users or something), mod_proxy serves it up00:43
hanswpreaction, true, but some very busy sites might benefit from it00:43
@preactionthe performance benefit is from not using mod_perl. mod_perl is huge and slow (compared to the mod_proxy instance)00:43
@preactionso basically our goal is to keep as much as possible away from mod_perl00:43
hanswtrue, had some problems this week00:43
hanswbut not comparable to a current webgui00:44
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+perlDreamerbug fixed, tavisto02:42
@tavistothat didn't take long brotha02:44
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+perlDreamerI always take care of the homies, tavisto02:48
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11190 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm): If adding content from the asset manager, return user to the asset manager.02:51
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elninowow - hardly anyone is here.. everyone on vacation?03:46
elninoanyone know how to display the actual file size on the folder asset when the file is greater than one Meg?03:47
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11192 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: Fix some POD. Backups go in /tmp, not /var05:42
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11193 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Make account inbox template layout symmetrical on both top and bottom bars.06:38
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11194 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Backporting account inbox templating change.06:38
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CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11195 /translations/German/German/ (Asset_Matrix.pm Account_Inbox.pm Asset.pm): Update from translation server11:38
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11196 /translations/German/German/Asset_Thingy.pm: Update from translation server11:53
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11197 /translations/German/German/WebGUIProfile.pm: Update from translation server11:53
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carograyhello - good morning good day13:55
carograyjust go this error message - the first error message received after spending 3 days on and off trying to dump some html into and html window for the rich text editor:13:56
carograyRequest-URI Too Large The requested URL's length exceeds the capacity limit for this server.13:56
carograywhat does this mean?13:56
+bartjolwell, an URI has a maximum length13:58
+bartjoland I heard someone mentyion that some HTML was put into the URL13:59
+bartjolwhich caused the error13:59
+bartjolassuming it is the same error13:59
+bartjolunfortunately I don't remember the solution or the person that had the problem14:00
carograywhats the diff between URI and URL?14:02
+bartjolI think it is explained here:14:03
carograyok thanks bartjol...will go check it out and then maybe I will understand what putting HTML into URL means....hmm. will check it out thanks for the direction.14:04
+bartjolwell, it won't solve the bug, but at least you know wha'ts happening14:05
carograyright  at least I can look at what is going on and see if I can fix it in some way that it will work for now...14:07
carograythis is v. helpful thanks.14:07
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+perlDreamermorning, folks17:48
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11198 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backporting shortcut fixes for dashboard.18:27
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@HaargperlDreamer, re: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/1018918:42
@Haargthe only thing you were able to find was the issue with how it was configured?18:43
+perlDreameryes, and the bug resurfaced even after fixing the configuration issue18:43
+perlDreamerso it's still out there18:43
@Haargi wish i understood POE better18:45
+perlDreamerme, too.  I'm sure we will after this bug is found and fixed18:45
@Haargtoo much stuff going on behind the scenes with spectre to debug easily18:45
+perlDreamerDo you have an opinion on this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/995918:45
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@preactionperlDreamer: i do, if you use $session->privilege->noAccess instead of $session->privilege->insufficient, logging in will take you to where you wanted to go18:56
@preactionso the solution could be to use noAccess everywhere instead of insufficient18:57
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+perlDreamerpreaction: I'm not sure that was the point.18:59
Magnetichey all, I am looking over the webgui docs, and I can't seem to find a cheat sheet for the <tmpl_></tmpl_> markup. Does anyone know of a resource?18:59
@preactionMagnetic: google for "HTML::Template"18:59
+perlDreamerhe wants to pass URL parameters through after successfully logging in18:59
@preactionperlDreamer: yes, and i'm saying WebGUI does that if you use noAccess19:00
@preactioni had this same problem, and that's how i fixed it (after JT set me straight after going on a week-long wild goose chase of code)19:00
+perlmonkey2preaction: do you just remember that stuff or do you keep a wiki?19:01
@preactioni just remember19:01
+perlmonkey2Always seems like I'll find something like that then need it six months later, but don't remember.19:01
@preactionbut like so many things, i don't know that i know it, so i can't just call this up until someone needs it (by asking)19:01
+perlDreamerpreaction, maybe I'm just thick today, but doesn't noAccess mean that the user failed to login?19:02
+perlmonkey2Thus is the life of a guru.19:02
+perlDreamerso, if they failed to login, then the url params won't do any good?19:02
@preactionperlDreamer: no, it means the user is not logged in at all19:03
@preactionand this is why i need to revisit the whole WebGUI::Session::Privilege module: if noAccess sees that you are indeed logged in, it just calls insufficient19:03
@preactioniow, insufficient should not exist. there should be two error messages, one for Admin Only, one for Insufficient (you don't have privs, but you could do this if you did, perhaps you need to login to a different account)19:04
@preactionwhich should really be two WebGUI::Error classes that should be thrown. no WebGUI::Session::Privilege required19:05
+perlDreamerPrivilege is nice because it handles the page style and content all in 1 call19:07
+perlDreamerin any case19:07
+perlDreamerI don't think the problem is the URL the user was trying to get to19:08
+perlDreamerI think it's the URL query params19:08
+perlDreamerletting that happen in general is dangerous19:08
+perlDreameronce he logs in, it'll still strip the query params19:08
+perlDreamerwhich is the right thing to do19:09
+perlDreamerif you want to pass data into WebGUI, it should be done via cookies19:09
+perlDreamerset a cookie in the remote shop19:09
+perlDreamermake the user log in19:09
+perlDreamerand then access the cookie from WebGUI19:09
@preactionso trying to get a URL to a ;pn=2 is bad?19:09
+perlDreamerno, this one is bad: ?func=purgeList;assetId=PBasset00000000000000119:10
+perlDreamerand I can think of a few other good ones, too19:10
@preactionwell, to take your example, if you have admin privileges you should know what a URL is about to do19:10
@preactionwe can't protect against all forms of stupidity, and we can't protect against malice19:10
+perlDreameroh, you mean like PHP? :)19:11
@preactionor, the WebGUI::Error could say exactly what you were trying to do, unlike now where there's just a generic message19:11
@preactionand then it will be "Login to delete asset Root and all descendants"19:12
@preactionwhich hopefully would cause someone to think twice19:12
+perlDreamerbut how are we supposed to build WebGUI::Error messages for the whole set of allowed URL and form params?19:13
@preactionthe www_ method throws. it includes information like "desiredAction", then all the URL params are stored in the scratch "redirectAfterLogin" (just like how it works now)19:14
@preactiongetting a WebGUI::Error::Privilege will tell WebGUI::URL::Content to show a login page19:15
+perlDreamerhere's another good one: ;op=auth;method=deactivateAccount19:15
@preactioni'm saying that right now all of these places have to return a page. instead they could throw an exception and we could build a page from the exception's properties19:15
+perlDreamerright, but that's not exactly the same topic as allowing outside sites to pass arbitrary params through a login request19:18
@preactionno, but it would address your objections19:18
@Haargthe issue you are talking about perlDreamer is much larger than just with logins19:19
+perlDreamerwhat am I missing, Haarg?19:19
@Haargwe are vulnerable to tons of csrf issues19:20
Magnetichas anyone put out an IDE that has support for the tpml markup?19:21
@tavistoperlDreamer, can you get to www.cmsmatrix.org?19:22
+perlDreamertavisto: yes19:23
+perlDreamerMagnetic, what is tpml?19:23
+perlDreamertavisto: it's really slow though19:23
@tavistohmm.. I cant pull it up.. son of ah19:25
+perlDreamerit seems a little slow19:26
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: Magnetic I think means HTML::Template19:31
+perlDreamerno, WebGUI support for WYSIWIG template editing currently exists19:31
+perlmonkey2I don't know of any IDE support for Perl template engines either.19:31
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you grabbing F11 tomorrow?19:32
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I may19:32
+perlDreamerinstalling it is an entirely different question.19:33
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: no more excitment of fedora/19:34
* perlDreamer is too scared of breakage anymore19:34
+perlDreameraudio used to work19:34
+perlDreamerit doesn't19:34
+perlDreamerkeyboard used to work all the time19:34
+perlDreamernow it doesn't19:34
+perlmonkey2maybe you should try Ubuntu?  twice as many users19:34
+perlDreamerthey have the same problems :/19:35
+perlmonkey2I know, you need a new laptop :D19:36
+perlDreamerindeed.  Now if only you could convince the company comptroller of that ;)19:36
+perlmonkey2bah a new pimped out lappy only runs about 800 or so.  Chump change to a major playa like you :P19:37
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how is this url hardcoded?     <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="^Extras(wobject/Survey/surveyedit.css);" />19:46
+perlDreamerit's not19:47
+perlmonkey2I'm not sure I understand the problem19:47
+perlDreamernone of the files in extras gets processed by WebGIU19:48
+perlDreamerso it doesn't expand macros19:48
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+perlmonkey2doesn't expand the macros.  I hate when the macros aren't expanded :P  19:48
+perlmonkey2Ah, what is "expanding macros"?19:49
+perlDreamerprocessing them19:49
+perlDreamerevaluating them19:49
+perlmonkey2So we shoudln't use macros, like the Extras(); macro, to load files from the extras dir?19:49
+perlmonkey2Nevermind, I'll leave that bug to someone who knows what's going on.19:49
+perlDreameryou should, but not in any file IN the extras directory19:50
+perlmonkey2surveyedit.css has hardcoded extras paths that don't use the extras macro?19:51
+perlDreamerbackground: url(/extras/wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif) no-repeat;19:51
+perlmonkey2that's not a call to the macro19:52
+perlDreamerthe extrasURL is set in the config file19:52
+perlDreamerso it may not be /extras19:52
+perlDreamerit suxors, d00d19:52
+perlDreamerand then there's the whole gateway issue19:53
+perlmonkey2 Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras19:53
+perlDreamer/ may not be /19:53
+perlmonkey2set in the VirtualHost19:53
@Haargthat's the normal way it is configured19:53
@Haargbut that isn't required19:53
+perlmonkey2So css that needs hard coded paths should be snippets with macros?19:54
+perlDreameror, I _think_ you can use URLs relative to the CSS's path19:55
@Haargin javascript it's relatively easy to work around the problem using getWebguiProperty19:55
@Haargyou can19:55
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+perlmonkey2damn it, just comitted Asset.pm and have no idea what changes I'd made in it.  JS, have to roll that back.20:07
+perlDreameryou added a debug line, that's all20:09
@Haargalso, there is no guarantee the extras url starts with /extras/20:11
+perlmonkey2I changed the paths to be relative from their current locations.20:12
+perlmonkey2oh crap.....I backed out too far then.20:12
+perlmonkey2../../yui doesn't work.  But ../../../extras/yui works.  I need a different line of work :P20:14
+perlmonkey2I wonder if ../../ will work on windoze machines.20:15
+perlDreamerit's a URL20:15
@Haargif ../../yui/ doesn't work there is something else going wrong20:15
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11199 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): 20:20
CIA-23WebGUI: Better template diagnostics on failure. It now also includes the template URL, and templateId20:20
CIA-23WebGUI: in both the onscreen and logged output.20:20
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11200 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Changed survey .js/css files to remove hardcoded absolute extras paths.20:20
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11201 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: Removed debug line, whups.20:20
@preactionhttp://www.macrumorslive.com/ <- JOIN US IN NOT WORKING!20:39
hanswow shit, poor sysop@work20:42
+perlmonkey2PC begging for ideas, offering cash.20:42
hanswhe will need to support this for a few people20:42
@preactionthis? being WebGUI?20:42
hanswtoo :-)20:42
hanswI meant apple20:42
hanswsupport for Exchange ....20:43
@Haargwould probably be good to go over everything in extras and make sure we are still using it20:56
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+perlDreamerthus, the world of WebGUI grinds to a screeching halt21:19
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+perlDreamerI'm going to go running.21:51
+perlDreamerAny last second issues?21:51
@preactionha, ha ha ha, we're not working. why would there be issues?21:51
+perlmonkey2hmm, suppose I should finish figuring out that path bug.21:52
+perlmonkey2Okay, ../../../extras works but ../../yui works.  Why?  Maybe the relative path I'm assuming is wrong.21:53
@preactiondon't use ../../ use the getWebguiProperty('extrasURL')21:56
@preactionit's a global, added to every page21:56
+perlmonkey2Anyone ever played with image bundling JS?  GWT has a tool that helps get around loading several small images on a screen.  Most of those images are smaller than the HTML headers, and you are limited to two connections at a time.21:56
+perlmonkey2preaction: okay for JS, but what about css?21:56
+perlmonkey2But the GWT has a tool for combining all your images for a page onto a single image, which is then broken up and used by the JS.  So only a single image grab per template.21:57
SynQtavisto: new!21:58
SynQofficial demo sites in europe21:58
SynQdemo.webgui.nl and demobeta.webgui.nl21:58
SynQthat is worth a news-item on www.webgui.org if you ask me21:58
SynQperlDreamer: do note it in the WWN21:59
@tavistowait a sec, are you telling me that people use WebGUI in Europe?21:59
SynQprobably not22:00
SynQsince the demo.webgui.org is quite a shitty experience from here22:00
SynQbut now there is a chance to change all that22:00
@tavistohehe so it's pretty slow from the EU eh22:01
@tavistoI agree that it deserves to be in the WebGUI news22:01
SynQtry it the other way around22:02
@tavistoit went fast22:02
SynQcompare demobeta.webgui.nl to demobeta.webgui.org22:02
@tavistoI just did it22:02
@tavistoI did demo22:02
SynQwell that is good news too :)22:02
SynQhave you tried admin mode?22:02
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@tavistostill don't have any complaints22:03
elninohi!!!  just double checking to see if there is a template variable to tell me the type of asset something is in a navigation template. I'm not seeing anything...22:04
+perlmonkey2I moved surveyedit.css to a snippet.  When I submit it should I also delete the .css file in the extras dir?22:13
+perlmonkey2I mean, obviously I should, but I hate to delete files without double checking.22:14
@tavistoperlDreamer, did you get the info on this version tag issue?22:14
@Haargyes you should delete it22:15
@tavistoIf so I'm going to move on and delete this pending version tag and then approve the other tags he created on cmsmatrix22:15
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11202 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Final correction on extras path error for administersurvey.js. surveyedit.css should be placed in a snippet using Extras macro.22:24
+perlmonkey2GWT would allow me to vastly clean up the Survey editor, and probably the taking of a survey.  Some really slick stuff with no added libraries, and easily wrappable around YUI.  My first concern would be where to store the Java project used to create the JS?  Or just use the prettified JS output and only put tha tin the repos?22:35
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CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11203 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Moved surveyedit.css to a snippet. Pointed template url at the new snippet.23:04
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+perlDreamerSynQ: I'll report it on WNN23:08
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+perlDreamerelnino, re this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10006.  Could you please check your groups setup?23:16
elninoI've never looked at modperl.conf before... it's the default: User webgui      23:18
elninoGroup #-123:18
elninoI'm assuming that is what you want?23:18
elninoso I guess I change Group to "webgui"?23:20
@Haargif you'd be willing to test it, try commenting out the Group directive entirely23:21
@Haargand upload a file and check the owner group23:21
+perlDreamermaybe user webgui does not have a default group on that system?23:22
+perlDreamerso that #-1 doesn't resolve to anything23:22
+perlDreamerso it uses the GID23:22
+perlDreamerand then we're back to -1 being something really big23:22
elninowebgui is a group on the system.  100723:26
elninohmm. well somewhere, I got instructions to set the uploads directory to webgui webgui I'm trying to find them on the wiki23:26
+perlDreamerright, but what does root@localhost> groups webgui     say?23:27
+perlDreamerif the webgui user does not have any groups set up23:27
elnino>groups webgui says "webgui"23:28
elninowas that response correct?23:31
+perlDreamerwell, that's correct, but it doesn't explain the bug23:32
elninoI wonder if this is a carry over from when I did a source install. I can't find the wiki. I seem to remember it saying chown webgui:webgui...  Things have been modified since then. Like I posted, it doesn't affect functionality, i just happened to notice it when poking around.23:32
@Haargi've definitely seen the same issues on other servers23:32
+perlDreamermaybe it's an apache bug?23:32
elninowell, let me know what I can do...23:32
+perlDreamerelnino, is it still happening?23:33
@Haargcan you test commenting out the Group directive?23:33
elninothat's a good question.23:33
elninoI am still runing 7.523:33
elninoI guess I figured it would take the paren'ts directory chown settings.. 23:34
elninoYes, Haarg, I'll give that a try. Just a sec.23:34
elninono idea if it's still happneing - lemme look23:34
elninoyes, it still happens.23:34
elninoLet me  try commenting it out.23:35
elninoso, if # is a comment, does that mean that #-1 is commented out?  just wondering.23:36
@Haargsupposedly not23:37
@Haargwhich is a bit odd23:37
+perlDreamer#-1 says to refer to the group by number, otherwise it assumes a name23:37
elninoI know that what it *says*, but? it's a bit odd as Haarg puts it.23:37
@Haargwell, #(number) refers to a group by number, #-1 refers to User's primary group23:38
elninoside question. Why can't mysql support "isnumeric"  grr.23:39
+perlDreamerI don't see that in the Groups directive docs23:39
@Haargi could swear i just read that there23:40
elninowhy can't it just inherit public/ directorys settings23:41
elninois that too windowy?23:41
+perlDreamerno, for that you'd have to set the group sticky bit23:41
elninok. I commened out the group #-1 and replaced it with nothing else.23:43
elninouploaded a photo23:43
elninoand the uploads/aq directory was created today with a group number of 4294967295 23:44
+perlDreamerand that's the last updated directory?23:44
elninoso your saying if I set the sticy bit on my uploads directory, it would use uploads user/group?23:44
+perlDreamerit's supposed to23:45
elnino13:42 dated today. I'd say yes.23:45
+perlDreamerelnino, what happens if you set the group explicitly to webgui: Group webgui23:45
+perlDreamerdoes that behave better?23:45
elninoI suspect it would23:45
elninoI'll try.23:45
elninoor do you want me to o the sticky bit?23:45
+perlDreamerno, please just the Group setting23:46
+perlDreamerone tweak at a time23:46
elninooh. and I'm only restarting mod perl.. that is sufficent right?23:46
+perlDreamermod_proxy is only supposed to serve files, not make them23:47
+perlDreamerbut it never hurts to do them both23:47
@Haargok, now that i'm not confused about the #-1 thing, the way it is behaving sounds correct.  and we just need to adjust it to use a real group.23:48
+perlDreamerdo we need to patch the WRE?23:48
elninowell. I changed the group to be group webgui and restarted modperl only and uploaded a new file and it was given the webgui group as specified.23:49
elninoso, restarting modperl seems to be sufficent.23:49
elninoand specifing a group name works.23:49
+perlDreamerGroup #1007 (or whatever the right GID) would probably work, too23:50
+perlDreamerbut webgui leaves nothing to doubt23:50
+perlDreamerCan I ask one more favor of you?  Would you please post back to the bug saying that the fix is?23:50
elninosure. the fix it to specify webgui?23:51
elninois there a way to know what type of asset something is in the navigation template?23:59
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elninoI see the isContainer and isUtility template variables, is that all I have available to me?00:00
+perlDreameryes, that's it00:00
+perlDreamerit's a 3 line RFE00:01
+perlDreameradd the template variable00:01
+perlDreameradd the template Help doc00:01
+perlDreameradd the i18n for the help doc00:01
@Haargthe class name should be available as well i believe00:02
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@Haargso it would probably be possible to do something based on that using HTML::Template::Expr00:02
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: not to bust your chops, but removing the file on a customer's site will require an upgrade sub00:02
+perlDreamerclassName isn't one of the vars00:03
@Haargupgrades don't remove files though00:03
@Haargnavigation includes $asset->get00:03
+perlDreamerit does!00:03
@Haargfor all assets00:03
+perlDreamerI missed that00:03
+perlDreamerpage.property (page.className)00:03
elninoSo.. <tmpl_var page.className> is supposed to work? it doesn't print anything.00:09
@Haarg7.6 only i think00:09
elninoperlDreamer, i've been dreaming about other things other than webgui for a while..my customer has no money so I haven't been looking at this server for what seems a very long time.00:10
elnino. I'd be happy to do this rfe... but help me.. what file do I look at in /lib00:10
@preactionlook in sub view {}00:11
elninoperfect. I didn't lok under Wobject.00:11
elninohaarg.... oh ok. I'll upgrade....00:11
hanswpreaction, is 7.x just as easy to explain to newbies as 5.x?00:12
hanswI gave a demo to 4 people and was rather suprised to see them filling the site with only a few phonecalls to support them00:13
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11204 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 00:15
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix the error message shown when you try to send a message from the Inbox, but none00:15
CIA-23WebGUI: of your friends allow private messaging.00:15
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11205 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: Update help to show that ALL asset variables are available for every page in the page_loop.00:15
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11206 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Backport Account inbox error message fix for unmessagable friends.00:15
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11207 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Navigation.pm: And more changes.00:15
+perlDreamerHaarg, we can't stick in unlink $oldCruftyFile into an upgrade subroutine and have it manually delete files on the user's site?00:15
@Haargwe can, but usually don't00:16
+perlDreamerso we should just leave it be.  Okay00:16
elninoSo I should upgrade first, then do the rfe? what to I give to who? a diff? the actual files? I'll create the rfe now.00:20
+perlDreamerif you upgrade, you'll get the code that does the rfe automatically00:21
+perlDreamersince it's in 7.600:21
elninowell, I also want groupIdView00:21
+perlDreamerit's in there, too00:22
elninobut I suppose00:22
+perlDreamerALL the asset properties are in there00:22
elninoyou beat me to it.00:22
elninoyou guys are awesome.00:22
elninoI'm going to pull weeds now. Have a great day!00:23
+perlDreamersee ya, elnino!00:23
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11209 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Navigation.pm: Backporting more Asset_Navigation docs.01:15
CIA-23WebGUI: translation * r11210 /translations/German/German/Asset_MatrixListing.pm: Update from translation server01:15
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CIA-23WebGUI: Fix a bug in the Story when handling images of different sizes. Add a01:15
CIA-23WebGUI: photoWidth property to the StoryArchive, and resize all newly uploaded pictures01:15
CIA-23WebGUI: to a Story.01:15
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+perlDreamergood morning, patspam02:44
+perlDreamerAre you pretty familiar with Yslow, the Firebug plug-in?02:46
+patspamI'm doing a WUC talk on it :)03:02
+perlDreamerDo you know if the DOC time is independent of the other components on the page?03:07
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+patspamyup, I think so, in the sense that the time reported there is just the time to download the initial html doc03:09
+patspamyou see the same time reported in the firebug Net panel03:10
+patspamis that what you're asking?03:11
* perlDreamer was hoping it was otherwise03:11
+patspamof course, the time it takes wg to generate the html may well be dependent on other components03:12
+perlDreamerthat is true03:13
+perlDreamerbut 13 seconds seems long03:13
+perlDreamerin any case, Mrs. Dreamer is calling me for dinner.03:13
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+perlDreamerpatspam, have you tried Google Page Speed yet?05:23
+perlDreamerIt's by the same guy who wrote Yslow, except he works for Google now :)05:23
+patspamsteve souders?05:23
+perlDreamerand, it has graphical output05:23
@preactionha, nice :p05:23
+patspamawesome, gotta check it!05:23
+perlDreamershowing load times and relative positioning of events05:24
+patspamI'll definitely check it out, thanks perlDreamer05:25
+perlDreamerI'm still trying to make heads and tails of the output05:25
+perlDreamerone bummer is that you can't zoom or scroll the graph05:25
+perlDreamernor get to the real data05:26
+patspamwhere is the graphing?05:28
+patspamwow, it tells you how many bytes you could save by compressing images, that's pretty cool05:29
+patspamah i see, in "Page Speed Activity"05:31
+perlDreamerSynQ: are you burning the late night oil?06:03
+perlDreamerYou start recording, then do a page load, which is awkward because Firebug is Inspecting while you do that06:04
+perlDreamerand Ctrl-R is overloaded to both mean start recording06:04
+perlDreamerand reloda page06:04
+perlDreamerreload page06:04
+perlDreamerand watch it do its magic06:04
+perlDreamerif you wait too long06:04
+perlDreameryou'll lose the origin06:04
+perlDreamerand there's no scrolling06:04
+patspamhilarious, https://aus.us-visaservices.com has an invalid SSL certificate06:15
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+perlDreamerthat is funny :)06:25
+perlDreamerpatspam, just out of curiosity, how long do your Admin mode load times take on a page?06:29
+patspamon a localhost dev site?06:29
+patspamdoc loads in 432ms06:30
+patspamhad refresh on page takes about 4secs06:31
+patspamthere's another firebug plugin by steve souders called hammerhead that does full page load time measurements06:31
+patspambut it's a bit alpha06:33
* patspam heads out for lunch06:33
+perlDreamerthanks for the chat, patspam06:33
+patspampleasure as always! :)06:33
+perlDreamerthat steve souders is a busy guy06:52
oversillohi all, sorry for my bad english, what WRE is recomended for install on Debian Lenny distribution ? wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz ?06:55
+perlDreamerthat is a source install, oversillo.  You'd have to compile the WRE by hand from there.07:00
+perlDreamerI know they're working on a Lenny build for 0.9.307:00
+perlDreamerit's just a matter of time07:00
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11212 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Made Survey Preview a little less brutal07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11213 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Fixed bug in privs check for Survey::www_showFeedback07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: patspam * r11214 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: Survey cleanup and minor bug fixes07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: Cleaned up edit page tabs07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: Improved API docs07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: Added noCreate option to responseId so that it doesn't create unnecessary responses07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: Added groupToTakeSurvey priv check to takeSurvey07:06
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11215 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm: 07:07
CIA-23WebGUI: Fix a bug with the backported Shortcut code. User->get doesn't exist07:07
CIA-23WebGUI: in 7.6.07:07
oversillothere are a WRE compilation manual ?07:09
+perlDreamerjust the instructions on the wiki07:09
oversillook, thanks07:09
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CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11216 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Fixed #9912: Account/Friends, only message one Friend at a time.08:13
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+bartjolpatspam: in relation to http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/9353 , have you had any problems with the links in the activation message in 7.7?12:40
+bartjolmy semicolons are transferred into %3b12:41
+bartjolalready tried to replace the addtext method with the addHtmlRaw method, but without succes12:42
+bartjolin firefox that is12:50
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+bartjoladding a NE flag to my rewrite rule helped13:48
+bartjolstrange thing is that that flag wasn't given in another site (7.6.25 instead of 7.7.9) but it worked fine14:00
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CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11217 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS.15:53
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+perlmonkey2What's new today in the world of wG?16:36
+bartjolI'm 3116:40
+bartjolI consider myself a part of the world of WebGUI16:41
CIA-23WebGUI: hao * r11218 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed #10491: Side by Side template metadata extra headers CSS.16:53
+bartjolthanks bopbop16:55
@bopbopsure, hope you have a good one!16:57
+bartjolworkig and games tonight16:58
@bopbopcross out working :)16:58
+bartjolno actually I did some usefull stuff today, Koen even complemented me ;)16:58
@bopbopoh, well that is something!16:58
@bopbophis birthday gift to you16:59
+bartjolwell, I should throw a party when I wanna have gifts16:59
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+bartjolme thinks http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/10280 can be resolved17:13
+perlmonkey2bartjol: happy b-day bartjol.  got any big plans?17:17
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tomsuchyHi everyone.  I may have run into a small problem with GIT.  I had a merge conflict, and, being a novice at GIT, I googled it for possible resolutions. One of them indicated I should reset --hard HEAD, which ended up losing two files on me that apparently had not been committed yet.  Is there any way to recover those files?  Thanks for any help you can provide.17:21
tomsuchyI was told there were some GIT experts here, so I thought it'd be a good place to ask.17:22
tomsuchythis is, of course, before I panic and run screaming through the house.17:22
@Haargthe files were modified but not committed?17:23
+bartjolperlmonkey2: nope17:23
@Haargwere they related to the merge at all?17:23
+bartjoland thanks btw17:23
tomsuchyhi Haarg, thanks for answering. They were not related to the merge at all.  They WERE committed just prior to the push to origin.17:25
tomsuchyi have a script that runs commit -a and then push origin, so they must've been committed.17:25
tomsuchybut, then I did the reset --hard HEAD...17:25
@Haargwell, the first thing to check is the reflog17:26
@Haarggit reflog17:26
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@Haargit should give you a history of what HEAD pointed to17:26
tomsuchyyes, it's not detailed enough, and since i'm fairly sparse with comments (this is all new development, so i'm not detailed in my update logs)17:27
@Haargdid this just happen?17:28
@Haargthe reflog is different from the normal log17:28
tomsuchyit just happened within the last hour. here are some lines from it.17:29
tomsuchy3d954bf... HEAD@{0}: pull : Fast forward17:29
tomsuchy18756df... HEAD@{1}: origin: updating HEAD17:29
tomsuchy96b9857... HEAD@{2}: commit: development updates17:29
tomsuchy42f18c9... HEAD@{3}: commit: development changes17:29
tomsuchysorry for span17:29
tomsuchyer, spam.17:29
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@Haargyou should be able to look through those commits to find one with the files you need17:31
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SquOnkHi everyone17:32
+bartjolmorning SquOnk17:39
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SquOnkbartjol: Hey there17:40
+bartjoltomsuchy: when you really have a lot put it on patsebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/17:47
tomsuchycool, next time i will, thanks. pastebin looks like a good idea.17:48
+bartjolpatsebin, yeah, I'm really on top of it now17:50
+bartjoland I also see a real git freenode channel (not trying to move you away), using WebGUI might also be a good plan for you ;)17:56
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tomsuchythanks bartjol, i got my git problems resolved thanks to Haarg.18:08
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SquOnkWho's in charge of LDAP Auth?18:14
@Haargnobody in particular18:15
@Haargalthough khenn wrote most of it i believe18:15
SquOnkI see.18:18
SquOnkIt still doesn't work with ldaps:// URIs18:18
SquOnkIt has to do with the fact that the URI given in WebGUI's config is being deconstructed while constructing the Net::LDAP object18:19
ckotilawww. i was hoping to start playing with ldaps soon18:19
SquOnk$uri->host() and $uri->port() will end up giving the proper host and the proper port, but then you lose the method18:19
SquOnkLine 67 of Auth/LDAP.pm18:20
SquOnk if ($ldap = Net::LDAP->new($uri->host, (port=>$uri->port))) {18:20
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SquOnkneeds to be changed to18:21
SquOnk$ldap = Net::LDAP->new( $uri )18:21
SquOnkThat way, one simpy writes ldap://foo/ or ldaps://foo/ and it will work.18:22
SquOnk(For ldaps:// you only need to have the CA Certificate somewhere appropiate)18:22
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+perlDreamerSynQ: ping18:54
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, are you downloading as we speak?19:04
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: heh, of course19:05
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: won't have it until I wake up tomorrow though.  Even if I could manage to get full speeds.19:05
+perlmonkey2Thinking of going up to the University to download there.19:05
+perlDreamerthere ya go19:05
+perlmonkey2might get more done up there too.  Can't stop playing with GWT.19:06
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: how much do you have downloaded?19:10
+perlmonkey2should buy a cheap second hard drive so you can just swap it out, install, and see if F11 corrects your issues.  Old lappy drive run like $20-30.19:10
+perlDreamerthat's not too bad19:11
+perlmonkey2I mean, ext4.  Encrypt your drive and still see a large performance boost.19:12
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11219 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Shortcut/querybuilder.css: Fix hardcoded extra in Shortcut query builder.19:38
+perlDreamerI've looked through the code, and i can't find anywhere that uses extras/WebGUI.js19:41
+perlDreamerdoes anyone know any differently?19:41
@preactioncheck templates?19:41
+perlDreamernot yet19:41
+perlDreamerI'll see if there's a wgd widget for dumping them all19:42
+perlDreamerWebGUI.js has been untouched since 2005, when we switched to SVN.19:42
@bopbopperlDreamer: am I right that there is no "story manager"? just story archive and story topic?19:43
+perlDreamerstory, story archive and story topic comprise the Story Manager19:43
@bopbophmmm, is there supposed to be a story asset?19:44
@preactionthere is a story asset yes19:44
+perlDreameryes, but it's kind of like WikiPage, or Event19:44
@preactionyou add them to Topic and Archives19:44
+perlDreamerOnly to Archives19:44
@bopbopso I create archives first19:44
@bopbopok, thx19:44
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@bopboparchive, topic, and then story19:45
+perlDreameryou can do topics or stories first, it doesn't matter19:45
@preactionyou can't add them to individual topics? aww19:45
@bopbopanything really cool that it does that I might not notice right off the bat? (like the metadata in products and shelf?)19:45
@preactionthat's how topics work, the keywords thing19:46
+perlDreamertopics are keyword driven, so using good keywords is important19:46
@bopbopso, I can assign keywords to topics and stories19:46
@bopbopand the stories will be added under topics19:46
@bopbopby that criteria?19:46
+perlDreamerthe number of stories a topic displays depends on its context19:46
+perlDreamerstandalone, or as a child of a layout19:47
+perlDreameraside from that, it's really, really basic19:48
@bopbopalright, I'll tinker with it19:48
+perlDreamerthe only other magic/hidden stuff is the newly committed photo resize19:48
+perlDreamerif you put in more than 1 photo, the default story template will put up a YUI carousel19:48
+perlDreamerif the photos are very different sized, the carousel will puke19:48
@bopbopah, good to know19:49
+perlDreamerso in 7.7.10, there is a new Archive setting that will resize all photos to a specified width19:49
@bopbopwhich is?19:51
@bopbopand will their stuff get squashed if that happens?19:51
+perlDreamer300 by default, or whatever the user puts into the setting19:51
+perlDreamerit's proportionally resized, by width19:51
+perlDreamerso 600x600 ends up being 300x30019:51
+perlDreamer300x700 stays 300x70019:52
@bopbopthank you19:52
+perlDreamerpreaction, it's not in the templates either19:53
+perlDreamerand I've found something that wgd will not do19:53
+perlDreamer(or that I can't figure out how to do)19:53
+perlDreameryou can't dump all templates/assets into files for searching19:53
+perlDreameryou can edit them all one by one19:53
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11220 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/Profiler/sortabletable.js: Remove hardcoded extrasPath in the JS.20:08
* perlDreamer heads to the gym20:17
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@HaargperlDreamer, that's something i intended to do but never finished20:56
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MagneticHey all, I today I have started to try to install my own wre runtime. Well, it was successful however I am having an issue accessing it from an client computer via a browser. Would this be a WEBGUI or centos issue?(I would think centOS but I have opened up the port and the issue remains)23:39
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@Haargif you haven't already, try accessing it directly on the server using curl using the exact same url you tried on the client23:41
Magneticlocalhost:60834 works, but not the IP:60834. Are you saying I should access it via IP:60384 on the server it's self?23:44
@Haargwhat i've done for that in the past is to use a ssh tunnel23:46
@Haargssh user@server -L60834:localhost:6083423:46
topsub1perlDreamer, you were rigt about the summary and keywords. It works perfect! Glad to see that feature. Will allow me to put my site into webgui23:47
@Haargthen you would be able to go to localhost:60834 on the client machine and it would connect to the wreconsole on the server23:47
Magneticopen failed: connect failed: Connection refused23:53
Magneticthats pretty slick haha, what is that trick called?23:54
@preactionMagnetic: it's SSH tunnelling23:55
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Magneticha, never seen the CLI side of it. blasted guis :P23:58
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daviddelikatperlDreamer: question about a couple bug reports you made...00:07
+perlDreamerI'm here00:07
+perlDreamerwhich bug reports?00:07
daviddelikathow do we know what files can and cant use macros?00:07
+perlDreameranything outside of WebGUI cannot use macros00:08
+perlDreamerthe only thing that can use macros are assets, and various fields in the UI00:08
+perlDreamermost templates00:08
+perlDreamerbut never anything from extras00:08
daviddelikatso what do we replace the hardcoded text with?00:09
+perlDreamernow that's a good question00:09
daviddelikat# 1048600:09
+perlDreamerand, btw, these are almost all wrapped up already, so they don't need more work on them00:09
daviddelikatI see now theres a discussion at the bottom00:09
daviddelikatwasn't there when I looked last...00:10
+perlDreamerwe've been busy :)00:10
+perlDreamerfor the CSS files, use a relative path00:10
daviddelikatits a good thing00:10
+perlDreamerworks fine00:10
daviddelikatI'm working on the help desk file00:10
+perlDreamerI think it's done already00:10
daviddelikatwhere did you put it?00:11
+perlDreamerit's in git00:11
daviddelikati guess I will have to git it out...00:11
+perlDreamergit pull origin00:11
daviddelikatbut then I have to try to combine my changes with yours...00:11
daviddelikatnot very easy with this package thing as far as i know00:12
+perlDreamerit won't be a package00:12
+perlDreamerit's only a text file, so it will probably merge right i00:12
daviddelikatok yeah00:12
daviddelikatok thanks00:12
+perlDreamerFor JS, you can use getWebguiProperty('extrasURL')00:13
daviddelikattoo much to keep track of in this world...00:13
+perlDreamerthat's a small JS subroutine added to anything that gets handled by $session->style00:13
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+perlDreamerand it will pass you back the extrasURL00:13
@HaargperlDreamer, i did a quick check of some other files in extras root and it looks like a number are unused00:13
@Haargasc.gif desc.gif doubleSelect.js swapLayers.js versionDot.gif versionDotOn.gif attachment.gif00:14
+perlDreamerI can pull those from svn00:15
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11221 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (7 files): Remove unused files from extras.00:24
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11222 /WebGUI/www/extras/WebGUI.js: Remove another unused file in extras.00:24
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11223 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Backporting extras cleanup. Remove unused files, remove hardcoded paths.00:24
@Haargi'm really starting to think we should move to Locale::Maketext.  the main problem would be losing context.00:27
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+perlmonkey2wgd blew away my uploads dir in /data/WebGUI/www00:28
+perlmonkey2might be a bug00:28
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@Haargwhat command did you run?00:28
+perlmonkey2j/s I'll give you the exact00:29
+perlmonkey2but the conf was using data/WebGUI for uploads00:29
@Haargdon't do that :)00:29
+perlmonkey2alias revert="cd /data/tools/wgdev; bin/wgd reset -d --no-debug; chmod -R g+w /data/WebGUI; chown -R apache.apache /data/domains; cd -"00:29
@Haargi suppose i could have it check that and bail if you have it configured that way00:30
+perlmonkey2no biggie, just a fluke as I'm trying to configure a one off instance 7.6 just to backport a change, then hopefully never see 7.6 again.00:31
+perlDreamercroak "perlmonkey now allowed to use this feature" if $username =~ /perlmonkey; 00:33
@Haargi should also set up a vm to experiment with some of the permissions stuff00:33
@Haargit is supposed to not need the chmod/chown stuff00:34
+perlmonkey2Haarg: it changes permissions on me every time.00:34
@Haargalthough i guess i never did deal with update.pl screwing it up00:34
+perlmonkey2and users00:34
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+perlmonkey2BartJol: shouldn't you be out drinking yourself silly?00:34
+BartJolI already did that last weekend00:35
+BartJolstill recovering00:35
@Haargif run as root it is supposed to try to use the uid and gid of the uploads root00:35
@Haargand match its permissions00:35
+perlmonkey2BartJol: ah, preemptive birthday celebration to take advantage of a weekend.  nice.00:35
+perlmonkey2Haarg: I probably just have something royally messed up.00:35
+BartJolyeah and Sarah who was visiting!00:36
+perlDreamerHaarg, for Locale::Maketext, is it as speedy as our native i18n?00:36
@Haargprobably not00:36
@preactionHaarg: Locale::Maketext seems nice, but would that mean we'd have one single %Lexicon for all of WebGUI? or would we be able to inherit?00:36
@Haargwe would have the text in the code00:36
@Haargthere wouldn't be namespaces00:36
@Haargat least, that's how i'm thinking of it00:37
@Haargcould probably be done with namespaces as well, but i'm not sure how useful that would be00:37
+BartJoldoesn't make that internationalization hareder00:37
@Haargi'm not sure00:37
+perlmonkey2This probably sounds strange, but why would the admin page tabbing of forms feel 100x snappier in 7.6 than 7.7?00:37
@preactionbut there could be. a WebGUI::Localize::Article::en_US could inherit from WebGUI::Localize::en_US00:37
@Haarglike i say, losing the context is probably the largest problem00:37
+perlDreamerwithout context, BartJol could cry00:38
@preactionperlmonkey2: different YUI codebases00:38
+BartJolah, which can be a problem at the moment already during translating00:38
+perlDreameror send me lots of emails...00:38
+BartJolin dutch00:38
@Haargit would eliminate the problem of duplication though00:39
+BartJolthat is a good thing00:39
@Haargthe problem with that preaction is that the english text would all be in the code00:39
@Haargnot in the %Lexicon00:39
@Haargso i'm not sure what you would gain00:39
@preactioneasier overriding of the english text, for those who want to00:40
+BartJolangry dutch, german, arabic and polish guys00:40
+perlmonkey2trying to make perlDreamer's deadline or I'd look it up, but this is the correct use of hte macro?   background: url(^Extras(wobject/Survey/rel_interstitial_loading.gif);) no-repeat;00:40
@preactionchanging "Save" to "Apply" everywhere, for example00:40
+perlDreamerif it's a snippet00:40
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+perlmonkey2nevermind, I have to test it anyways00:40
+perlmonkey2yes a snippet with macros enabled00:40
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+perlmonkey2like the  7.7 fix00:41
@Haargbut i'm saying they would all be in a single namespace00:41
+perlmonkey2although 7.6 is way different than 7.7.  glad I didn't just grab the forms from 7.700:41
* perlDreamer looks quiet and nice, but ware those of you who do not backport your code!00:41
@Haargso changing Save to Apply everywhere would be simple00:41
+perlDreamerand if you think that's bad, just wait and see what happens if you don't put away your dishes after dinner!00:41
+BartJolwell, if you finish your plates, you're ok00:43
+perlDreameronly Dutch people, __BIG__ Dutch people, eat plates00:43
+BartJolbut by finishing your plates, you grow big, heavy and slow while eating all the stuff with dislike00:44
+BartJolwhich does sound parallel to programming00:44
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, I've been on patspam to try and get him to backport stuff, too.00:47
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I currently don't have any open wG contracts, so I might be out of the wG scene for a while.00:48
+BartJolperlmonkey2 wants to get spanked00:49
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+perlmonkey2spanked by BartJol?  I don't normally swing that way, but maybe I'll make an exception just this once :p00:52
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+perlmonkey2There went this channel's PG rating.00:52
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+BartJoloh, sorry00:53
+BartJolcarogray: did you work it out with that URI thingy?00:53
+perlmonkey2okay, perlDreamer backports finished, just need to export and package and commit.00:55
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, thank you very much00:55
+perlDreamerafter that, please go spank BartJol, or whatever00:56
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+BartJoloh, is that necessary?01:00
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2, thank you very much01:00
+perlDreamerafter that, please go buy BartJol a beer, or whatever01:00
+BartJolwell, last thing I did was having a shit01:00
+perlDreamermake that PG-13, heading toward R01:01
+BartJolnow I'm off for a beer01:01
+BartJolI'm not good for this channel it seems01:01
+BartJolall work and no play makes Bart a dull boy01:01
* perlDreamer has heard that BartJol is running cold water, hot water, and beer to all the taps in his house01:02
@Haargso how much do people hate my idea of having all the i18n text directly in the code and a flat namespace for translations01:03
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* BartJol only wishes01:04
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carograyhey bartjol = yes!01:06
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: done.01:06
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+BartJolglad to hear that01:07
+perlmonkey2BartJol: you are cracking me up.01:07
+BartJolwhat I'm doing now?01:07
carogray I thanks so much it was one of those sticky problems with so many factors going on we kept trying to narrow down WHAT the problem was... it was a bizarre URL that was really long and complicated that had been created by trying to transfer Word docs, to HTML and ...well01:07
+perlmonkey2BartJol: just being your normal entertaining self.  01:08
+perlDreamerHaarg, it'll cut down on duplicates, which I like.  The only questions I have are functional.01:08
+perlDreamerif the i18n is in the code, what happens to context?01:08
@Haargit wouldn't exist01:08
@Haarglike i say, that's the largest problem01:08
+perlDreamerBut we now know that other translation systems don't have it01:09
@Haargyeah, i don't know of any other system that has that01:09
+perlmonkey2I would kill to have the i18n in the code.  But what is 'context'?01:09
+perlDreamercontext is notes about the i18n01:09
@Haargit is in the i18n files01:09
@Haargit is never used by webgui itself01:09
+BartJolyeah, word documents are horrible sometimes carogray01:09
@Haargonly the translation server01:09
+perlmonkey2comment your i18n code :D01:10
+perlDreamerwhere it's used, giving hints on words with multiple meanings, etc.01:10
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+BartJoland the translations would be in a i18n like lib?01:10
carograyBartjol, hah! nothing compared to what I have just finally completed today!01:11
+BartJolvery good01:11
carograyhad no internet access, therefore no telephone access apart frommy mobile and 01:11
+perlDreamerBartJol, I think Haarg's current idea (aside from Locale::Maketext) is to get rid of namespaces in i18n01:11
+perlDreamerjust make it flat01:11
carograyI spent the entire day on the phone - mobile minutes racking up  all the while trying to trouble shoot every flippin piece of this complicated network01:11
+perlDreamerit'll get rid of many duplications right off01:11
CIA-23WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r11224 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Corrected Default Survey Edit template urls to be relative and moved surveyedit.css to a snippet to use the Extras macro.01:11
@Haargthe translation server wouldn't work much different from how it does now01:12
carograyARGH! I HATE computers!01:12
@Haargaside from the lack of namespaces01:12
+perlDreamerthen part #2 is to say that there are no more i18n "keys"01:12
+BartJolmaking it flat is kinda positive01:12
+perlDreamereverything in code would be $i18n->('long english sentences');01:12
+perlDreamerHaarg, commenting the i18n is not that crazy01:12
+perlDreamerwe could say that #i18n: context01:12
+BartJolbut sometimes english words may have multiple meanings01:12
+perlDreamerimmediately after, or on the next line, would be context01:13
+BartJolso per meaning there should be an entry01:13
+perlDreamerwe have to parse the perl anyway to build the reference for the other languages01:13
+perlDreamerso why not encode the context in the code, too?01:13
@Haargthere are already parsers for doing this though01:13
@Haargwould be substantially more work if we had to write our own01:13
+perlDreamerit's mainly written, just dog slow01:14
@Haargwell, maybe not that much more01:14
+perlDreamercritic_labels would do it01:14
+perlDreamerit just needs some reentrant scoping lovve01:14
@Haargwell, i18n calls would be done differently as well01:14
daviddelikatwhy not put the context in the key itself?01:14
+BartJolas extra parameter?01:14
+perlDreamerhow would they be done, Haarg?01:15
daviddelikatso you would make your $i18n->('blah blah') with the context right there...01:15
+perlDreamerno more object instanciation?01:15
@Haargthere would be a global object01:15
+perlDreamera singleton?01:15
@Haargper session, created with the user's language01:15
+perlDreamerah, okay01:15
@Haarghaving context as part of the key or as an extra param sounds pretty nasty to me01:16
@Haargadds more weight to i18n lookups as well01:17
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: quick question if you have time.  I'm about to hook up an atmel micro to my thermostat to control via XBee via my server via my phone.  Only problem is driving my thermostat which is a 24VAC system.  I was thinking easy to get parts are the 5V trannies to flip a 12V relay I could get at an auto store.  That sound workable?01:17
@HaargLocale::Maketext::Lexicon has plugins to extract i18n strings from perl and Template::Toolkit01:18
+perlDreamerif you use a mechanical relay, then you only have to worry about the selector side voltage ratings.01:18
+perlmonkey2shouldn't any relay I get at an auto store be able to handle a few mA over 24V?01:19
+perlDreamerA != V01:19
+perlmonkey2yeah, I guess the old old old style of thermostats use 24V.  or maybe its 25V01:19
+perlDreamerbut why is it using 24 VAC?01:20
+perlmonkey2my multimeter says 28VAC, but that is weird, so it must be a 24V system.01:20
+perlDreamershouldn't it be 24 VDC?01:20
+perlmonkey2for my thermostat hooked up to my Air conditioner and furnace?01:20
+perlmonkey2I don't know why it is that high, as yhou'd think microvolt ac could tell it to turn on and off, but that is how they apparently used to do it.01:20
+perlmonkey2maybe transformers were cheaper than inverters back then.01:21
+perlmonkey2oh well, it isn't high enough voltage to kill me, and i'm sure I can get the AC guy out within a week or two of 95 degree weather :P01:22
daviddelikatperlmonkey2: you might want to try setting your meter to DC and re-measure.  the AC reading might show up higher than the DC 01:23
daviddelikatif the DC measurement is flackey then you know that you really have to use AC01:24
daviddelikatwont hurt the meater at all01:24
daviddelikat( at least it didn't hurt mine... )01:24
CIA-23wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r601c6a3 / (3 files in 2 dirs): 01:31
CIA-23wrebuild: Add support for an explicit group for Apache.01:31
CIA-23wrebuild: By default, it looks for the default group for the user in the01:31
CIA-23wrebuild: config file. Add support for putting the group in the01:31
CIA-23wrebuild: config file in the future. - http://bit.ly/B20oA01:31
* perlDreamer has never heard of a system that signals with 24VAC01:42
+perlDreamerbut I don't do a lot of low voltage home appliance work, either01:43
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@Haargthe other advantage of going with a flat namespace for translations is that in addition to the translation server, people would be able to use one of the translation editors that are around01:49
@Haargthere are a number of them got editting .po files, and we could either use that format directly or convert to/from it easily01:49
@Haargand Text::Unidecode would get us the same thing as the current transliteration code but more general/better01:52
+perlDreamerwhether we go that far or not, at least getting rid of namespaces seems like a big win01:54
+perlDreameris that a wG 7.8-ism?  or wG 8?01:54
@Haargwould probably have to be 801:55
+perlDreamerwell, in that case we have some time to think about it01:56
+perlDreameris there a place where we keep all the wg8 design goals?01:56
@Haargi don't think so01:56
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+perlDreamerWebGUI, we need to help Daan02:06
+perlDreamerSynQ, you can help him too02:07
+perlDreamerbetween the 3 of us, it shouldn't be too hard02:07
+perlDreamershy of wiping and unpancking a new WRE where my old one used to be, what's the quickest way to do a wgd reset on the WRE?02:08
+BartJoleeeh, Koen doesn't have multiple personalities02:08
+BartJolonly on IRC, but that's called redundancy02:09
+BartJolmmm, perlDreamer may be you can reset a wre.conf setting02:13
+BartJolallthough that won't uninstall the extra packages02:13
+BartJolmmm, I don't see the setting in my non dev env02:14
+perlDreamerI'm okay with extra packages02:19
+perlDreamerjust the configuration and setup files02:19
+perlDreamerand where is that WebGUI/SynQ/SynQ2?02:19
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+BartJolI don't know02:21
+BartJolnot next to me02:22
+perlDreamerthat's too bad, because you're supposed to be drinking beer02:22
+BartJolfinishing my last for today02:24
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: The multimeter I'm using is new because I measured DC on an AC line with my old one.02:25
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+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: if it is DC, then my measurement would be 70% of the DC value.02:31
daviddelikatdidn't you get 28VAC?02:31
+perlmonkey2daviddelikat: yep, 28VAC02:31
+perlmonkey2which would be what, 40VDC?02:31
daviddelikatnot it would not convert like that02:31
daviddelikatthe actula voltage would be nearly the same02:31
daviddelikatAC is just a switching current02:32
+perlmonkey2whups, I'm averaging the wrong way.02:32
daviddelikatwhich means that part of the time iut is positive and part is negative02:32
+perlmonkey2DC would measure 71% of the AC voltage, since you'd see the average.02:32
+perlmonkey2you wouldn't measure the negative on DC.02:32
daviddelikatyou have a single constant value in DC there is no need for that02:33
+perlmonkey2okay, I'm going to go stick my meter, which only goes up to 12V, on the line, here's to hoping it doesn't blow.02:33
daviddelikatbut when the meter measures AC it has to take into account that the current is changing02:33
daviddelikatand so it measures high.02:33
daviddelikatno dont do that02:34
+perlmonkey2right, but I don't know for sure what type of current is there.  All I know is that measuring with AC, it was 28VAC.02:34
+perlmonkey2But hopefully my meter would be smart enough to show nothing if I had the wrong selection.02:34
daviddelikatif you dont have a meter that will measure 24 VDC than you sould not try to measure it...02:34
daviddelikatthe meter is not smart at all02:35
daviddelikatis is just a simple circuit that either moves a needle or counts some clicks...02:35
+perlmonkey2well I'm going to have to get my relays from digikey, so I might as well make sure I'm getting the right ones :p02:35
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CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11225 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/www/extras/adminConsole/adminConsole.js: fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE03:08
+perlDreamerI gotta read that one03:12
+perlDreamerto quote rizen, "you gotta be crapping me", Haarg03:12
@Haargneed to force reflow.  don't know why exactly, but it fixes the problem.03:13
+perlDreamernote, to ameliorate the pain of crapping perlDreamer, eat lots of fiber, drink lots of water, and exercise regularly03:13
@Haargthere was already code in there to do that which i added a long time ago03:13
@Haargbut apparently it wasn't working anymore03:13
@Haargwe should try upgrading tinymce to see if it resolves any of the bugs related to that03:14
+perlDreameryes, but not today.03:14
+perlDreamerIt's time to release03:14
+perlDreamerit's safe to backport that to 7.603:15
@Haargbackport what?03:15
+perlDreamernm, you already did03:15
+perlDreamerI'm starting to feel like a broken record03:16
@Haargthe second page of the bug list is all rich editor, help desk, and pb.com/webgui.org03:17
@Haargoh, except the ldap issue03:17
* Haarg needs a permanent ldap test server 03:18
+perlDreamerme, too03:18
+perlDreamerI've been looking at Net::LDAP::Server::Test03:18
+perlDreamerbut the docs are poor03:18
+perlDreamerand it's really just a wrapper around Net::LDAP::Server03:19
+perlDreamerwhich also has poor docs03:19
+perlDreamerthere are two other bugs on that page which may be core03:20
+perlDreamerduplicate emails03:20
+perlDreamerand old gallery on old browsers03:20
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11226 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix icons not drawing initially in admin panel in IE03:22
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11227 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: note ie admin panel fix in changelog03:22
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11228 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible03:54
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11229 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm): fixed: assets can have urls with /./ or /../ in them, making them inaccessible03:54
CIA-23WebGUI: graham * r11230 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: fix massively misplaced changelog entry03:54
+Radix_morning ppls04:18
+Radix_does anyone know if there's a debian lenny version of the wre 0.9.3 floating around anywhere?04:18
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+perlDreamerthe news on the street is that it is being worked on04:21
+Radix_hmm.. I updated my system from etch to lenny and now my mod-perl apache sigfaults constantly04:22
+Radix_no idea why upgrading distro like that would've affected my wre install, but need to do something to resurrect the box04:22
+perlDreamerit uses system libraries?04:23
+Radix_I guess so04:24
+perlDreamerthat's why it broke04:25
* Radix_ downloads the wre-0.9.3-source and looks at compiling it from scratch.04:26
+perlDreamerthere ya go, beat them to the punch04:26
+Radix_my 1ghz mini-itx box is going to complain compiling it all tho ;)04:27
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11231 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): 04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: Add tests for removing ./ and ../04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: Tweak it for handling multiple sets of those.04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11232 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Session/Url.t: 04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: Add tests for multiple, non-adjacent ./ and ../04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: Cleanup test comments.04:37
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11233 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/t/Mail/Send.t: Fix number of skips so it dies gracefully.04:52
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CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11234 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/docs/create.sql: Preparing for 7.6.26 release.05:07
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elnino_hmmm. what table holds the old urls of an asset for 7.5? the dbschema on the wiki has a new field in assetHistory called url that doesn't seem to be present in 7.505:25
+perlDreamerall urls are in assetData05:26
@Haargassethistory is just a log05:26
elnino_that's what I thought.05:26
@Haargit is never queried05:26
elnino_ok. my bad.. 05:27
@Haargthe url was added to that because in the past you would purge an asset, and all the history table had was the asset id05:27
elnino_how do i make the date readable from assetData?05:27
@Haargmade it hard to find out what appened05:27
elnino_good idea.05:27
+perlDreamerit was your idea, elnino_ :)05:27
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elnino_it was?05:27
+perlDreamerI'm almost sure it was one of your RFEs05:28
elnino_I ususally have good ideas.  lol/05:28
+perlDreamerSo, let me ask your opinion on this05:28
+perlDreamerwhat's more useful05:28
+perlDreamerAn account plugin that shows your personal karma log and history05:28
+perlDreameror an account plugin that shows a user what groups they are in05:28
elnino_to an webgui admin-type person or to a customer?05:29
+perlDreamerlet's say customer/common user05:29
+perlDreameran admin type can always use the admin console to find out the groups for a user05:30
+perlDreamerbut there's currently no access to the karma log05:30
+perlDreamerbut not many sites use karma05:30
+perlDreamerso I'm kind of up in the air as to which to build05:30
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elnino_just a sec.05:31
elnino_well as a user for the webgui site, I do believe I wished to see my karma history once.05:34
elnino_and I think it would be relatively easy for an admin to create a report that would show a user what group they are in. - and probably could just post it to the bazzaar05:35
elnino_and thereis a macro that shows what subscriptiosn a user has subscribed to right?05:35
elnino_I'm not quite sure then why a user would want to konw what groups they are in (unless they are subscriptions)05:36
elnino_so I guess I'd go with #1.05:36
elnino_(and I don't know if a user would even know that they may be part of more than one group) - another reason to go with #105:37
elnino_hope that helps?05:37
+perlDreamerit does05:37
elnino_how do I make assetData revisionDate nice looking in a report?05:51
+perlDreameryou can use one of mysql's date formatting subroutines05:59
elnino_is webgui's dates epoch?06:00
+perlDreamerfrom_unixtime(revisionDate) should work06:00
elnino_is there a way to "title" sub queries in a report?06:01
+perlDreamerin an SQL Report?06:01
+perlDreamerI don't think so06:02
daviddelikatanybody know the best way to disable a buttin in JS?06:04
* perlDreamer doesn't know any way to do that06:04
+perlDreamerthere's probably a DOM method for it, though06:04
+perlDreamerlike button.disable?06:04
daviddelikatyes, and I just figured out Im using it the wrong way...06:05
+perlDreamerthis is usually where preaction steps in and schools me in JS06:05
+perlDreamerwrong way?06:05
daviddelikatthe cool thing about JS is that it doesn't care what you tell it to do06:05
daviddelikatyou can give it a function as a value and it will happily look at it and pass by06:05
daviddelikatif you wanted it to run the function you will be disapointed though...06:06
+perlDreamerso it's not disabling?06:07
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11235 /releases/WebGUI_7.6.26-stable: Release 7.6.26-stable06:07
daviddelikatnow it will though because I told it to do what it needs to do...06:08
+perlDreamerhow does one do that?06:09
daviddelikatsomething like this:     YAHOO.util.Dom.get("elementID").disabled = true|false;06:11
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elnino_isn't assetHistory log deletes?06:12
elnino_I'm trying to get to an asset by url and I'm brought to a trash can that doesn't list it. so I'm confused as to the statusof this particular asset.06:13
+perlDreamerthat's odd06:14
+perlDreamerin recent WebGUI's the assetHistory logs trashing an asset, and purging an asset06:14
elnino_the assetHistory doesn't say it was deletd.06:14
+perlDreamercheck the system trash?06:15
elnino_I do see purging of a particular revision06:15
+perlDreamerwhat is the status and state in the assetData and asset tables06:15
elnino_however, there is a pagelayout with children in the trash that I think it may be under.06:16
elnino_so apparantly if a parent is trashed the log doesn't log that the children were trashed.06:16
elnino_let me verify06:16
+perlDreamerah yes, I think that's called clipboard-limbo06:17
+perlDreamerbut it also refers to the trash06:17
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+perlDreamer7.6.26 FTW06:22
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-!- perlDreamer changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.6.26-stable | 7.7.9-beta | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com06:23
+patspamrelease on brother perlDreamer06:23
+perlDreamerit's out there06:24
+patspamsounds like a line from the x files06:24
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you are doing releases now?06:28
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+releaseMonkeyI'm afraid so, perlmonkey206:30
elnino_where is the trash? can I have a naviation asset for it?06:31
elnino_so I can see deleted children?06:31
+releaseMonkeythe only way to see the children of a deleted asset is to restore the deleted parent06:31
+releaseMonkeyas far as I know06:31
+perlmonkey2colink added the webgui-7.6.26-stable.tar.gz file, 11 minutes ago06:32
+releaseMonkeyTrash is an asset state, not a destination, elnino_06:33
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+perlmonkey2there is way too much productivity going on here for me.  hasta la manana.  06:34
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elnino_sure, that makes sense. 06:34
daviddelikatis there a rule of sorts about how names are supposed to be displayed in WG?06:35
+perlDreamerwhat kind of names?06:35
daviddelikatI'm woprking on http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/972606:35
+perlDreamerasset names?06:35
daviddelikatand I'm not sure why its a bug06:35
daviddelikatuser names06:35
+perlDreamerI don't think people are expecting to see full names, versus account names06:36
+perlDreamerso it seems odd that you search for a username, but get displayed a full name06:37
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11236 /branch/WebGUI_7.6/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Preparing for 7.6.27 development.06:37
daviddelikatI figured it was something like that...06:39
daviddelikatthe wierd thing is the code goes through a lot of06:39
daviddelikattrouble to get the name the way it comes out and I wasn't sure if I06:39
daviddelikatshoudl just eliminate it or supliment it....06:39
daviddelikatthe search checks all three name pieces for a match to identify users06:40
+perlDreamerit does?06:40
daviddelikat            IF(((select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and firstName is not null and firstName <> "") + (select count(*) from userProfileData where userId=users.userId and lastName is not null and lastName <> "")) = 2,concat(lastName,", ",firstName),username) as username06:41
daviddelikatkinda nasty06:41
+perlDreamerin that case, I'd just append either the username to that06:41
+perlDreamerusername field from users table06:41
daviddelikatdo you mean the userID?06:42
daviddelikatcuz i already have it06:42
daviddelikatI see06:44
daviddelikatthat is what the above yukiness will produce if either the first of last name is blank or null06:44
+perlDreamerit seems like it should either return what was searched for (which is nasty), or it should return all searchable info about the user, firstName, lastName, username06:51
CIA-23WebGUI: colin * r11237 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Url.pm t/Session/Url.t): Forward port urlize changes, and tests.06:53
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+perlDreamerdaviddelikat, I'm getting ready to call it a night.  Any last second questions?06:59
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+Radix_Hmm.. imagemagick failed to compile09:20
+Radix_looks like it got to the link stage and then went '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lperl'09:20
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SynQ1demo.webgui.nl updated to 7.10:06
SynQ17.6.26 even10:06
+Radix_hey koen10:13
+Radix_SynQ1: you managed to build wre 0.9.3 on debian lenny yet?10:14
SynQ1Radix_: nope, but I have managed to build it on debian etch and found that the version works just fine on debian lenny10:15
+Radix_Ahh k10:16
+Radix_I've run into a prob compiling imagemagick on mine10:16
SynQ1that is normal10:16
+Radix_posted it up on the forums - http://www.webgui.org/install/upgrade_help/wre-0.9.3-source-compile-on-debian-lenny#id_kkX8zAsdccm-b6klA9pig10:16
+Radix_yeah.. imagemagick always seems to be a prob.. I just don't know what to do to appease it ;)10:17
SynQ1there are about 500 commandline options to configure10:17
SynQ1if you would figure out the right ones for lenny I would be pleased :P10:17
+Radix_heh.. me too!10:17
+Radix_if I can't get it working I'll just go to Squonk's debian packages instead.10:18
SynQ1wouldn't recommend that either10:18
SynQ1hang on I'll get you a download link for the debian etch compiled version 10:18
SynQ1of wre 0.9.310:19
+Radix_ahh.. neat10:19
SynQ1I hope the upload will succeed10:24
SynQ1it didn't10:24
SynQ1where was that wiki page again...10:25
SynQ1here it is: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files10:29
SynQ1now I'm uploading the wre tarball again :P10:31