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| +snapcount | argh... why is mysql replication so freaking cumbersome | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | remove mysql | 00:39 |
| @rizen | replication is cumbersome | 00:39 |
| +snapcount | heh... I guess that is a better way to put it | 00:40 |
| +snapcount | I've never worked with repl on another rdbms before | 00:40 |
| @rizen | i meant remove it from the sentence | 00:40 |
| +snapcount | so it could be equally crappy on all platforms | 00:41 |
| @rizen | not your server | 00:41 |
| +snapcount | lol | 00:41 |
| +snapcount | "but you said to remove mysql" | 00:41 |
| @rizen | i've used it on oracle, mysql, and sybase | 00:41 |
| @rizen | mysql is the easiest to set up, but has the fewest options out of the ones i've used | 00:41 |
| @rizen | you need a special degree in oracle in order to set up replication in oracle | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | snapcount, he means s/mysql //; #all replication is freaking cumbersome | 00:42 |
| Samus_Aran | can someone point me in the direction for updating the logout/login part. I have a styled login form that I want to appear once the person logs out | 00:43 |
| +snapcount | perlDreamer: indeed =) | 00:46 |
| Samus_Aran | figured it out. | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Samus_Aran: when a person logs out returns you to the page that you were looking at (if you have permission) | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't show you a custom relogin form | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so all you can do is style the generic login form | 00:48 |
| Samus_Aran | I found on the Wikie: ^LoginToggle("Click here to log in.","Click here to log out.","/url/to/your/template"); | 00:51 |
| Samus_Aran | which seems to be what I want | 00:51 |
| Samus_Aran | that is, if /url/to/your/template contains HTML for the login form. if not, I'm still lost | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Samus_Aran: I'd suggest the L_loginBox macro instead | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but either may do the trick | 00:54 |
| Samus_Aran | which only appears when they are not logged in? | 00:54 |
| Samus_Aran | maybe I will just keep the login form always visible, as I sometimes change users | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | l_loginBox: If they are logged in, it shows them a link to their account. If logged out, it shows them a login box for username/passwd | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | LoginToggle: show them text 1 with login if logged out, text 2 with logout if logged in | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can build more sophisticated stuff as well | 00:56 |
| +snapcount | rsync freaking rules | 00:59 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons | 01:06 |
| +snapcount | does anyone know what is being used to announce svn commits in IRC? | 01:09 |
| +snapcount | that is really cool... is it a one off or out there on the interwebs? | 01:10 |
| +snapcount | preaction: is this a custom perlbot you wrote? | 01:10 |
| @preaction | no, see http://cia.vc | 01:11 |
| +snapcount | sweet... thanks man | 01:11 |
| Samus_Aran | snapcount: rsync is great :) | 01:24 |
| Samus_Aran | along with a small script to dump databases, it is very handy for offsite backups | 01:25 |
| +snapcount | it's good for repairing replication when it breaks so you don't have to copy entire snapshots of the dbs | 01:26 |
| +snapcount | esp when the db is like 20GB | 01:26 |
| +snapcount | much faster | 01:27 |
| Samus_Aran | well, these are teeny databases, hehe. just a few MB | 01:27 |
| Samus_Aran | haven't had to deal with huge ones yet | 01:27 |
| +snapcount | I'm new to it as well | 01:27 |
| +snapcount | we have one now that is appx 750 million rows | 01:27 |
| Samus_Aran | what is in it? | 01:27 |
| +snapcount | people data | 01:27 |
| Samus_Aran | user accounts for a web site ? | 01:28 |
| +snapcount | criminal records, phone book type stuff, real estate transactions, etc | 01:28 |
| +snapcount | professional records | 01:28 |
| +snapcount | judgements, bankruptcies, lienss | 01:28 |
| +snapcount | all kinds of crap | 01:28 |
| +snapcount | not users in a website | 01:29 |
| +snapcount | this is more like all the people in the united states | 01:30 |
| +snapcount | and puerto rico I think | 01:30 |
| +snapcount | thankfully we don't replicate that data =) | 01:32 |
| +snapcount | that would be interesting to say the least | 01:32 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons | 01:32 |
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| Samus_Aran | snapcount: what type of hard drive do you have to drive it, and how much RAM ? | 01:39 |
| Samus_Aran | presumably a fast RAID array | 01:40 |
| Samus_Aran | and too many GB of RAM | 01:40 |
| +snapcount | That data is on a RAID 1, SAS 300GB 15K RPM | 01:41 |
| +snapcount | 32GB of memory and dual quad core 2.0 GHz xeons | 01:41 |
| Samus_Aran | it is remarkable how cheap servers are now than a few years ago | 01:42 |
| +snapcount | for sure | 01:42 |
| Samus_Aran | million dollar servers are now available for a few thousand | 01:42 |
| Samus_Aran | kind of scary. | 01:42 |
| +snapcount | that box I think cost me like 5 or 6K | 01:42 |
| +snapcount | but we buy a lot of servers and get a fat discount | 01:42 |
| Samus_Aran | discounts are always nice | 01:43 |
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| +snapcount | I tell you what really impresses me is MySQL cluster | 01:45 |
| +snapcount | if they could make it work with complex selects it would solve world hunger =D | 01:45 |
| @apeiron | heh, http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/the_mysql_appliance.html | 01:46 |
| @apeiron | ^^ that's impressive | 01:46 |
| +snapcount | it is soooo fast and fault tolerant | 01:46 |
| +snapcount | we have a four node setup that handles all of our AAA | 01:46 |
| +snapcount | apeiron: I saw that at the conference a few weeks ago | 01:47 |
| +snapcount | it is impressive but pricey | 01:47 |
| +snapcount | I think bottom floor is like 25K and tops out around $200K | 01:47 |
| +snapcount | but the architecture of using an "SQL Chip" is pretty cool | 01:48 |
| +snapcount | The guy told me they won't be available until late fall | 01:50 |
| +snapcount | but it sucks that they won't sell you the chip only | 01:50 |
| @apeiron | Yeah, 10/14/2008 according to that site. | 01:50 |
| @apeiron | indeed. I'd like to frob it with different DBs. | 01:50 |
| +snapcount | you have to buy the appliance which is just a COTS server with a PCI-X card containing that chip | 01:50 |
| +snapcount | and a diff storage engine for mysql | 01:50 |
| +snapcount | who knows... maybe that will come someday =) | 01:51 |
| +snapcount | finally got replication back up on this box | 01:55 |
| +snapcount | what a PITA | 01:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): added missing help files | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | rizenisaway: You big stud! | 01:59 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6285 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Product.pm: point Product Asset help to Sku help instead of wobject | 02:20 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more product variants work, i18n, forms and upgrade script | 02:20 |
| Samus_Aran | once SSD are cheaper and faster, it will effortlessly beat out 15K drives | 02:25 |
| Samus_Aran | it has the potential to be many times faster than any current disks | 02:25 |
| Samus_Aran | and as a bonus is smaller and uses less electricity | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | there was a slashdot article saying that now, performance wise, they're much slower than mechanical drives | 02:26 |
| Samus_Aran | currently they just plug into SATA slots and are not economical or particularly efficient | 02:26 |
| Samus_Aran | but it is still the first generation | 02:27 |
| Samus_Aran | I don't think platter drives will be used within 4-5 years | 02:27 |
| Samus_Aran | they will also be cheaper to produce once the manufacturing is behind it | 02:28 |
| Samus_Aran | oh, and great for databases, random access with the same seek time | 02:28 |
| Samus_Aran | I'm about to build a 5.4 TiB array at home (9x SATA 750GB disks). perhaps by the time that is bursting at the seams, SSD will be cheap =) | 02:29 |
| Samus_Aran | I haven't heard anything about heat, but I imagine SSD are very cool compared to platter disks. you can heat a house with regular hard drives | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | too bad you can't cool them :) | 02:31 |
| +snapcount | my macbook air has the SSD | 02:32 |
| +snapcount | it is a bit slower | 02:32 |
| +snapcount | but the battery lasts for like 4.5 - 5 hrs | 02:33 |
| +snapcount | it's really good at random writes but the mech drives blow it away on sequential writes | 02:33 |
| +snapcount | which makes sense I think | 02:33 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6287 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): begin migrating Product data into variants | 02:52 |
| Samus_Aran | battery efficiency, speed and storage capacity are going to skyrocket with SSD | 02:55 |
| Samus_Aran | does anyone know how I can duplicate a template so that I can paste in my custom made code ? | 02:56 |
| Samus_Aran | if I go to assets and select a template and do duplicate, it doesn't duplicate the template | 02:56 |
| Samus_Aran | it just creates an empty folder | 02:56 |
| Samus_Aran | not sure how to copy as well the content in it | 02:56 |
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| Samus_Aran | duplicated the template manually, and now it won't let me apply anything to a whole branch... hum | 04:04 |
| Samus_Aran | one question: is there a way without Apache mod_rewrite to make the top of the web site not have a name ? | 04:05 |
| Samus_Aran | for example "home" shows up as http://www.foo.com/home | 04:05 |
| Samus_Aran | but it also shows up as http://www.foo.com/ | 04:05 |
| Samus_Aran | which is bad for search engines and caching | 04:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | sounds like spectre is the cause then | 04:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | spectre shouldn't be timing out | 04:15 |
| +Radix-wrk | check your spectre.conf file for typos, invalid domain names, etc | 04:15 |
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| DX^ | I want to start a circuit schematic archive, so I want the ability to categorize a bunch of content, but I also want it to have tags and comments, so users can add info and search, can I do this with WebGUI? | 04:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | the wiki has tags, and you can add pages, search, etc | 04:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | it doesn't have the concept of comments though | 04:17 |
| Samus_Aran | Radix-wrk: I restarted Apache earlier, then restarted spectre, I haven't changed anything since last time it was started a few weeks ago, hm | 04:17 |
| @apeiron | No comments in non-CS content, anyway. | 04:17 |
| @apeiron | And I think the Gallery has comemnts. | 04:17 |
| @apeiron | But they're simple enough to add. | 04:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | gallery/cs might be your best bet | 04:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | new gallery in 7.5 has tags too doesn't it? | 04:18 |
| @apeiron | hrmmm | 04:18 |
| @apeiron | Not sure, haven't used it much. | 04:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm pretty sure it does | 04:19 |
| DX^ | What is CS? | 04:19 |
| @apeiron | Collaboration System. | 04:19 |
| DX^ | ah | 04:19 |
| @apeiron | The guy who wrote it isn't here at the moment. | 04:19 |
| @apeiron | (the gallery) | 04:19 |
| DX^ | webgui has all this? | 04:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | DX^: Collaboration System - the Gallery is a rewrite of it essentially | 04:19 |
| Samus_Aran | ADMIN: Fetching site data for foo.com.conf | 04:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | these are just a couple of the wobjects available | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site foo.com.conf at http://foo.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | that's all I get | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | then it resumes what looks like normal working | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | no more errors | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | (using --debug --run) | 04:20 |
| Samus_Aran | should spectre be started before or after Apache ? | 04:21 |
| Samus_Aran | I forget | 04:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | after | 04:21 |
| Samus_Aran | that's what I thought, and what I did. I guess I'll go dig around in the log files to see if there's anything more helpful | 04:21 |
| @apeiron | Samus_Aran, If you're using the WRE, try the 'all' target. | 04:22 |
| @apeiron | e.g. /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart all | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | check the dns resolution for foo.com | 04:22 |
| Samus_Aran | apeiron: manual install via the guide, on an Ubuntu system | 04:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | Also check that the foo.com.conf has specified the right ip block for the spectre | 04:23 |
| Samus_Aran | Radix-wrk: I can get to the site and do all the admin stuff without any apparent issues, except a single lock on the home page item that I need to apply a theme to the whole site | 04:23 |
| Samus_Aran | I can apply versions fine | 04:23 |
| Samus_Aran | I mean commit | 04:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | hmm.. | 04:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | so you can commit other things and they go through? | 04:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | might just be a stuck workflow then | 04:24 |
| Samus_Aran | I had issues with spectre before, but those were stopping everything | 04:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | go to workflows and run it manually perhaps | 04:24 |
| DX^ | Can someone show me a web site using the collaboration system | 04:25 |
| Samus_Aran | I tried going to the URL the --debug gave me, and it eventually pops up a download window, but after a long time | 04:25 |
| Samus_Aran | perhaps the timeout is set too low | 04:25 |
| Samus_Aran | but I don't know why it would take a long time, the server is pretty fast | 04:25 |
| Samus_Aran | it says file type is text/json | 04:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | DX^: the collaboration system is incredibly flexible.. you can template it to do anything really. forums, photo galleries, flash video galleries, etc | 04:25 |
| Samus_Aran | pops up after about 60-90 seconds | 04:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | DX^: The collaboration system is probably the most flexible object in webgui imho - and any example we showed you would have the limitations imposed by the template used really. | 04:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have a flash video template I use for flash movies on our website - http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos | 04:28 |
| Samus_Aran | clicking on "Show running workflows" is lagging as well, though it isn't appearing even after 2+ minutes | 04:28 |
| DX^ | So I can let people add stuff to this? | 04:29 |
| DX^ | this seems way too complicated | 04:29 |
| DX^ | I don't want to roll my own, hah | 04:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's not particularly complicated if you use an existing template | 04:30 |
| Samus_Aran | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm line 19. | 04:30 |
| Samus_Aran | line 19 is "use Template;" | 04:31 |
| @apeiron | Samus_Aran, There'll probably be something before that line which explains the error. | 04:31 |
| @apeiron | e.g., "Can't find Template.pm in @INC [...]" | 04:31 |
| Samus_Aran | Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC | 04:32 |
| @apeiron | uh huh. | 04:32 |
| @apeiron | Samus_Aran, This site worked before? | 04:32 |
| Samus_Aran | yes, was working fine the past several weeks | 04:32 |
| @apeiron | Looks like your environment isn't set up properly. Using the same perl and such? | 04:33 |
| Samus_Aran | same GNU Screen session with same environment variables | 04:33 |
| Samus_Aran | Apache was updated by Ubuntu somewhere along the line I think | 04:33 |
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| @apeiron | hm. If Apache was updated, did it replace the config? | 04:34 |
| @apeiron | What about modperl? | 04:34 |
| Samus_Aran | @INC conta | 04:34 |
| Samus_Aran | ins: /var/www/WebGUI/lib | 04:34 |
| Samus_Aran | I can't remember if mod_perl was updated. I run an update every day or two on the server | 04:34 |
| Samus_Aran | the directory contains only WebGUI.pm. does the Perl @INC also read sub-directories ? | 04:35 |
| @apeiron | If the package name is appropriate. | 04:35 |
| @apeiron | e.g. if you want WebGUI::Session it'll look in /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI for Session.pm | 04:36 |
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| Samus_Aran | there are five Template .pm files in the sub directories | 04:36 |
| Samus_Aran | /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm | 04:37 |
| @apeiron | Yes, they're all below /var/www/WebGUI/lib yes? | 04:37 |
| @apeiron | That means that they're all WebGUI:: packages. | 04:37 |
| Samus_Aran | oh wait, that was the package that tried to load Template.pm | 04:37 |
| @apeiron | Yes. | 04:37 |
| @apeiron | Template.pm is a separate, non-WebGUI module. | 04:37 |
| Samus_Aran | Oh, I see. confused me with so many Template.pm files in the WebGUI dir. I will confirm it is installed and up-to-date and all that | 04:38 |
| @apeiron | It has to be, if you've been running WebGUI before. | 04:38 |
| @apeiron | The fact that it's suddenly missing makes me think that either it was uninstalled by one of those updates of yours or some environment variable got broken somehow. | 04:39 |
| Samus_Aran | I will search the hard drive for Template.pm to see where it is | 04:40 |
| Samus_Aran | I ran the perl script to check the environment, and it only checks for HTML::Template: | 04:41 |
| Samus_Aran | is that the Template.pm ? | 04:41 |
| Samus_Aran | and it was installed according to the script | 04:41 |
| @apeiron | That's a different module. | 04:42 |
| Samus_Aran | testEnvironment.pl doesn't check for anything else with Template in it | 04:42 |
| Samus_Aran | installing Template Toolkit Version 2.19 manually | 04:43 |
| Samus_Aran | cpan install Template | 04:43 |
| @apeiron | Don't do that, you'll pull in junoscript. | 04:43 |
| @apeiron | (bit of a bug in the cpan command utility) | 04:44 |
| @apeiron | just run: cpan Template | 04:44 |
| @apeiron | Better, why not use a vendor package? | 04:44 |
| Samus_Aran | you mean apt-get install somethingorother ? | 04:45 |
| @apeiron | Yes. | 04:45 |
| Samus_Aran | I followed the instructions originally from the site, perhaps Ubuntu updated the module and broke things | 04:46 |
| Samus_Aran | it's installing them now | 04:47 |
| * Samus_Aran crosses fingers | 04:47 | |
| * Samus_Aran goes to microwave a burrito... | 04:47 | |
| Samus_Aran | different error now: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC | 04:56 |
| Samus_Aran | strange that all the modules were fine before, now they're all bungled up | 04:57 |
| @apeiron | Could be that one of your upgrades broke things. | 04:57 |
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| Samus_Aran | no more errors in the Apache log, but Spectre still gets: Response: 500 read timeout | 05:02 |
| Samus_Aran | will check webgui log | 05:02 |
| Samus_Aran | not completely sure what this means from the debug output of Spectre: | 05:03 |
| Samus_Aran | WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now. | 05:03 |
| Samus_Aran | WORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances. | 05:03 |
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| Samus_Aran | does that mean Spectre isn't running, or just that there are no workflows ? | 05:03 |
| @apeiron | If spectre's not running, there can't be any workflows queued. | 05:04 |
| @apeiron | Are you sure spectre's running? | 05:05 |
| Samus_Aran | I am watching it in debug mode, yes | 05:07 |
| Samus_Aran | okay, the webgui log explains the error as: | 05:07 |
| Samus_Aran | Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 72. | 05:08 |
| Samus_Aran | which is: next unless $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled"); | 05:08 |
| @apeiron | So $instance->getWorkflow is returning undef. | 05:09 |
| Samus_Aran | maybe I should just update to .25 | 05:09 |
| Samus_Aran | *35 | 05:09 |
| * Samus_Aran notices the topic says .32 | 05:09 | |
| Samus_Aran | the testEnvironment told me .35 was available | 05:09 |
| -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | 05:09 | |
| @apeiron | no it doesn't | 05:09 |
| @apeiron | <.< | 05:10 |
| Samus_Aran | hehe | 05:10 |
| Samus_Aran | my mistake | 05:10 |
| @apeiron | No worries, easy mistake to make. | 05:10 |
| Samus_Aran | oh great, now I'm 9 versions behind :p | 05:10 |
| Samus_Aran | will try the update and hopefully this gremlin will take a hike | 05:11 |
| @apeiron | Honestly, first thing I'd try is simply restarting the whole shebang. May not help but I dunno. | 05:11 |
| Samus_Aran | the kernel has probably been updated along the line, though that doesn't usually affect things | 05:12 |
| Samus_Aran | except when the old kernel modules are removed | 05:12 |
| Samus_Aran | it has only been on for 14 days.. the Ubuntu is stupidly running in a VMware Player virtual machine on Windows 2003 | 05:13 |
| Samus_Aran | had to do a Windows Update | 05:13 |
| Samus_Aran | I've been given the go ahead to scrap Win2K3 and put Ubuntu straight on the server, but haven't had any time | 05:14 |
| @apeiron | If you're going that route, maybe you should try the WRE? | 05:14 |
| Samus_Aran | there are lots of other web sites and databases running | 05:14 |
| @apeiron | On the Ubuntu VM? | 05:15 |
| Samus_Aran | plus I like security updates to be quick and easy | 05:15 |
| Samus_Aran | yes | 05:15 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 05:15 |
| Samus_Aran | it's quite silly, nothing on Win2K3 is even being used. the previous tech just sort of patched anything together | 05:15 |
| Samus_Aran | the network was a complete mess, too | 05:15 |
| @apeiron | You could set up Apache's mod_proxy to proxy to the other sites or host them outright, and set up the DB to be shared. | 05:15 |
| Samus_Aran | nothing labelled | 05:16 |
| Samus_Aran | once it isn't in the VM, it will help, as all the RAM will go to the VM. right now it is limiting it to half | 05:16 |
| Samus_Aran | oh, I checked, only 1/4 | 05:16 |
| Samus_Aran | 512MB instead of 2GB | 05:16 |
| @apeiron | Hello, swap city! | 05:16 |
| Samus_Aran | it's also a rack mount server.... sitting on a wooden shelf | 05:17 |
| @apeiron | wood? heh | 05:17 |
| Samus_Aran | they didn't even want to buy a locking metal cabinet with air vents | 05:17 |
| Samus_Aran | anyway, thank you for your help | 05:18 |
| Samus_Aran | I will get back to you after I've done the update if the gremlin lives on | 05:18 |
| @apeiron | no worries, hope things go well for you. | 05:18 |
| @apeiron | I might be in bed by that time, heh | 05:18 |
| Samus_Aran | it will be another day, my brain has melted and it's time for me to go home | 05:18 |
| @apeiron | night night, then. | 05:18 |
| Samus_Aran | goodnight. *wanders off in the direction of home* | 05:18 |
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| Samus_Aran | be back tomorrow =) | 07:29 |
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| patspam | hi guys, just wondering what the status of Survey 2.0 is? couldn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta | 09:09 |
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| ckotil | If i have a group that can read and edit an asset can i limit access to edit by leaving a user out of the turn admin on group? | 16:32 |
| BartJol | I don't think so... | 16:34 |
| BartJol | the canEdit boolean will be true | 16:34 |
| ckotil | bc if a user cant utrn on admin mode, how will they ever edit an asset? | 16:34 |
| BartJol | trying it | 16:36 |
| ckotil | cool, thanks. | 16:36 |
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| BartJol | ah, indeed | 16:37 |
| ckotil | works? | 16:37 |
| ckotil | nice. this will make my group structure much simpler and easier to manage | 16:37 |
| BartJol | they can't directly | 16:37 |
| BartJol | testing wehether they can do it by a fuvction in the url | 16:38 |
| ckotil | ya i was thinking that. | 16:38 |
| ckotil | ?func=edit | 16:38 |
| BartJol | ah, they can edit, but don't see the edit button | 16:39 |
| ckotil | ok | 16:39 |
| ckotil | thats very good to know. thank you BartJol | 16:39 |
| BartJol | well it's a free day | 16:41 |
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| BartJol | and it's good for me to know to | 16:41 |
| BartJol | ckotil it's the <tmpl_if showAdmin> variable | 16:48 |
| ckotil | gotcha. | 16:48 |
| BartJol | fror pages | 16:48 |
| BartJol | and | 16:49 |
| BartJol | <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn for other assets | 16:49 |
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| BartJol | morning | 16:56 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:02 |
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| @rizen | I'm thinking that we have to many people from Holland coming to the WUC. | 17:18 |
| BartJol | why? | 17:18 |
| @rizen | And maybe we, as Americans, should stage an uprising and not let them into our country. | 17:18 |
| @rizen | They may invade and try to take us over. | 17:18 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:18 |
| dionak | and make us drink massive amounts of beer? | 17:19 |
| BartJol | so you finally discovered our plans | 17:19 |
| dionak | sounds scary | 17:19 |
| @rizen | exactly dionak | 17:19 |
| @rizen | We still love you Bart | 17:20 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:20 |
| BartJol | well than you just have to feed us beer, and pretend that you're drinking too | 17:20 |
| dionak | lol | 17:20 |
| BartJol | thanks | 17:20 |
| BartJol | today it's national hangover day here | 17:21 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6288 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 17:29 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: - rfe: subscribe entire user group to a collaboration message board | 17:29 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: - Added show in forms and is editable properties to group manager. | 17:29 |
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| knowmad | And all's quiet.... | 17:50 |
| tavisto | yes it is. heh | 17:50 |
| knowmad | Time for a question! | 17:50 |
| tavisto | I have a question for whoever wants it. | 17:50 |
| knowmad | Shoot | 17:50 |
| BartJol | only thing that happened that JT was expression his fears for dutch people | 17:51 |
| BartJol | but go ahead with the question | 17:51 |
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| tavisto | hah, okay. Has anyone tried using the permissions tab on the settings screen? I created a new user group called "reports" and set the Transactions permissions to that group. However, I tried accessing transactions with a user in that group and it says I dont have the permissions | 17:52 |
| tavisto | I tried to do it directly through the ?op=listTransactions and it comes back with the permissions error | 17:53 |
| BartJol | so that's the commerce system? | 17:53 |
| aknowmad | i haven't tried it | 17:53 |
| tavisto | yeah that's the transactions in WebGUI's commerce system | 17:54 |
| tavisto | but from what I can tell those permissions aren't working | 17:54 |
| aknowmad | 7.5 or 7.4? | 17:55 |
| BartJol | maybe those people should also be in the turn admin on group | 17:55 |
| tavisto | this is latest beta | 17:55 |
| tavisto | yeah I'm just afraid they would mess stuff up :) | 17:55 |
| @preaction | they should only have to be in the correct group | 17:56 |
| @preaction | shouldn't also have to be in Turn Admin On | 17:56 |
| tavisto | yeah, that's what I thought.. I thought you could basically setup ANY regular user group to be able to do those specific functions | 17:56 |
| aknowmad | I've got an SQL question -- what comes back from an unconditional_read request? api docs say it's a result set statement handle. how do I use that to get at the data returned from a SELECT query? | 17:57 |
| BartJol | so your statement is SELECT * from table;? | 17:58 |
| BartJol | oh sorry, misunderstood | 18:02 |
| BartJol | that's a bit too deep for me | 18:08 |
| @preaction | aknowmad, see WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet. something as simple as while ( my $row = $sth->hash ) { ... } | 18:12 |
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| aknowmad | are you referring to api docs or the code? | 18:13 |
| aknowmad | is it a true DBI sth? can I call methods like fetchall_hashref with it? | 18:14 |
| @preaction | not that i know of | 18:15 |
| @preaction | but check the API docs | 18:15 |
| aknowmad | ok, i don't see that method in there so assume it's not availabe | 18:16 |
| @preaction | i don't think it's a subclass, but... if you wanted fetchall_arrayref why are you using $db->read instead of $db->buildArrayRefOfHashRefs | 18:16 |
| aknowmad | i guess it's not a DBI sth | 18:16 |
| aknowmad | ahh, because i didn't know that method was available.... I'm still learning the ins and outs of wG's db workings | 18:17 |
| aknowmad | which brings up another question--when do you recommend using read vs. unconditional_red? | 18:17 |
| aknowmad | s/red/read/ | 18:17 |
| aknowmad | also, are these methods essentially helpers that perform prepare and execute in one fell swoop? | 18:20 |
| @preaction | unconditional read is, if i'm not mistaken, "don't error if the statement fails" | 18:20 |
| aknowmad | yes, that's what the docs tell me | 18:21 |
| aknowmad | but i'm wondering what the use case is for this method | 18:21 |
| @preaction | yes, they're essentially helpers that call prepare, execute, and fetch all at once | 18:21 |
| @preaction | when you don't want an error in the read to kill the rest of the process? i dunno, i've never used it | 18:21 |
| aknowmad | that's what i was wondering | 18:21 |
| aknowmad | my thinking is it's not something to use lightly | 18:22 |
| aknowmad | unconditional_read, that is | 18:22 |
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| aknowmad | ok, thanks for the insights preaction | 18:23 |
| aknowmad | morning perlDreamer | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | morning aknowmad | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | are you _the_ knowmad, or just _a_knowmad? | 18:24 |
| aknowmad | i'm THE knowmad; had some problems with my client reserving just 'knowmad' nick | 18:24 |
| aknowmad | might be b/c i'm laid up in bed sick :( | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | not a good day | 18:24 |
| aknowmad | better than yesterday when i had a 102F fever! | 18:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I recommend lots of hot drinks and SciFi reruns | 18:25 |
| aknowmad | yeah, i've done the teas; i've got a bit of code to write then will be cranking up some Battlestar Galactica reruns | 18:25 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with delete Thing permissions | 18:36 |
| @apeiron | gack, coding while sick is a Bad Idea. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's better to write tests | 18:37 |
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| citronized | hi :) | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Hi | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have some WebGUI questions, citronized? | 23:33 |
| citronized | I'm wondering if I can install WebGUI and still use MAMP (Apache+MySQL) for other local sites ? | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:36 |
| citronized | do I have to download the source or the WRE ? | 23:36 |
| citronized | I don't want to mess my present configuration :-/ | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it is easiest to use the WRE, since it's all optimized to work well together | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's nothing stopping you from running other sites on the WRE as static sites | 23:37 |
| citronized | ok, but I'll need to rename some conf files, is that right ? | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps, it depends on what you're trying to do | 23:38 |
| citronized | just trying to try WebGUI :D | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | have you tried a demo site yet? | 23:39 |
| citronized | yup | 23:39 |
| citronized | seem to be weel feet to my project :) | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | good | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI tries to meet all sorts of needs | 23:40 |
| citronized | looks like, yup | 23:40 |
| citronized | basically, I need a pool function (perhaps I need to custom it) and an access to a dedicated MySQL DB | 23:41 |
| citronized | and a good user dashboard configuration :) | 23:42 |
| citronized | my project is a free library, so I need to be able to write records, etc. | 23:42 |
| citronized | mange groups | 23:43 |
| citronized | manage | 23:43 |
| citronized | I believe WebGUI is able to meet my needs, isn't it ? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure what a "pool function" is, but WebGUI has very fine grained group and user privileges and a dashboard. | 23:44 |
| citronized | well, I've seen in the demo that polls are limited to 20 answers (excuse my english for the pool :) ) and I might need more answers per question ;) | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, not a problem about the english. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | There is a new poll function coming out at the end of May | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: ping. You awake/around? | 23:48 |
| citronized | good news :) | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2 would know how the new poll works, since he wrote it :) | 23:48 |
| citronized | good | 23:48 |
| citronized | I don't think my needs are that complex :) | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | have you seen the i18n.webgui.org site, for translating WebGUI into other languages? | 23:49 |
| citronized | nope | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | You can download and install a French language pack | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's about 38% translated | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | or, if you wish, you can actually use that website to contribute back to the project by translating things that aren't done yet | 23:50 |
| citronized | wow, cool way to share, i think :) | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah. Since I mainly speak english, I try to write tests and help people out in the forums and here on IRC. | 23:51 |
| citronized | perhaps i can help them in spanish too :) | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be cool | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | there's been a group from Colombia working on the Spanish translation for a while | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | they've done a huge amount of work | 23:52 |
| citronized | great | 23:52 |
| citronized | I still haven't read anything about hosting, is there particular server settings needed ? | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's how to do a source install | 23:54 |
| citronized | cool :) | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the wiki has a ton of info on using and installing WebGUI | 23:56 |
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| citronized | mmmh... the source install seems a bit tricky for me :o | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you can use the WRE, but you'd need to move your other configs over to its apache | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it might be better to use a different server than your main one for initial tinkering | 23:59 |
| citronized | well, my "server" is my iMac :) | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's actually good, since the main WebGUI devs all use Macs | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it will mean fewer hiccups | 00:00 |
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| citronized | what are hiccups ? | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with respect to computers, problems or glitches | 00:01 |
| citronized | ok, aka bugs ? :) | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | with respect to people, it's when the diaphragm muscle contracts quickly | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:02 |
| citronized | right, i get it ;) | 00:02 |
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| citronized | to host webgui do I need more then apache, MySQL and PHP ? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no PHP, perl | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | perl and mod_perl | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and yes, you do | 00:05 |
| citronized | oh, ok | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | ImageMagick | 00:05 |
| citronized | ok | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | a ton of perl modules | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it should all be there in the wiki page | 00:06 |
| citronized | so an Unix server i guess ? | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux/Unix | 00:06 |
| citronized | ok | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | well, Macs nowadays are really BSD/Unix based | 00:06 |
| citronized | i'm gonna look deeper in the wiki then ;) | 00:07 |
| citronized | sure they are | 00:07 |
| citronized | my present personal website use Joomla, but it seems that webgui is even more intuitive :) | 00:08 |
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| citronized | I'm wondering about the client side code, are the webgui site W3C compliant ? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | yes. it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict with a text/html doctype | 00:11 |
| citronized | that's a really good news :) | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | citronized: you said this is for a library? | 00:13 |
| citronized | kind of, yup | 00:13 |
| citronized | about mini cars :) | 00:13 |
| citronized | die-cast and stuff :) | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds fun | 00:14 |
| citronized | I allready have some 16.000 refs for my DB | 00:14 |
| citronized | but i want it collaborative | 00:14 |
| citronized | i want people to share, build a kind of qualitative library :) | 00:15 |
| citronized | with some control on what people post and share | 00:16 |
| citronized | dunno if it's hard to make a form to write records in an separate DB ? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | for that, either use the SQL Form or the new Thingy that is coming out (end of May) | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | for simple reporting, use the SQL Report | 00:21 |
| citronized | ok | 00:26 |
| citronized | seems easy :) | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | for the most part it is. | 00:28 |
| citronized | i guess it can be more tricky to control the data | 00:28 |
| citronized | or stuff like that :) | 00:29 |
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| citronized | are those perl module enough to install webgui ? (i may host my site there :) ) | 00:49 |
| citronized | http://start.ovh.net/infos/perl.cgi | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | will this hoster give you command line access to your site? | 00:51 |
| citronized | dunno :-/ | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to have command line access to install WebGUI on another hoster | 00:51 |
| citronized | mmh | 00:51 |
| citronized | ok | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | in order to start up spectre and edit the config files | 00:52 |
| citronized | right, i've seen that in the installation guide, but i haven't though that the hoster would need it :o | 00:53 |
| citronized | maybe I should start building a local server, but will I be able to migrate it to another host, later ? | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, as long as you have command line access | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | or, you could use a WebGUI hoster, like Plain Black or Procolix | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Plain Black does a lot of hosting here in the US, and Procolix is a Dutch company | 00:55 |
| citronized | can they host french sites ? | 00:57 |
| citronized | i guess not | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, I don't see why not | 00:57 |
| citronized | dunno, sometimes, internet isn't that virtual :) | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 00:57 |
| citronized | does plain black allows upgrades ? I mean if my site become serious, will I be able to upgrade datastorage and stuff ? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:59 |
| citronized | cool :) | 01:00 |
| citronized | i should take a look to plain black offers, then :) | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:01 |
| citronized | what is the best beginners hosting ? :) | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | unsupported, basic hosting is $20/month | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/unsupported-site-hosting | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | hosting with support is $50/month | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/supported-virtual-hosting | 01:04 |
| @rizen | a lot of people start out with the $50/mo package and then downgrade to the $20 once they're comfortable | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | not speaking Dutch, I can't tell you how the comparable rates are for Procolix | 01:04 |
| citronized | not speakin dutch either :) | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: will Thingy require an extra db like the SQL Form? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | no | 01:05 |
| @rizen | if you email koen@procolix.nl he will speak English with you | 01:06 |
| citronized | ok, ty rizen ;) | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | need to reboot, be back in a bit | 01:09 |
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| citronized | seems that plain black is slightly cheaper, and provide more :) | 01:17 |
| citronized | ok guys, thank for your help, it's a bit late here, I need some sleep :) | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | good night | 01:19 |
| citronized | hope i'll see you around ;) | 01:19 |
| citronized | bye | 01:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | hopefully we helped another new WebGUI user today :) | 01:21 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer rulez | 01:30 |
| @rizen | if i had to do my PBWG interview over again, on the "What is WebGUI's killer feature?" question, I'd answer: perlDreamer | 01:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, dude | 01:44 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6290 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:06 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Handle null productNumbers in the Product variant translation. | 02:06 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Update the product loading script to add more products. | 02:06 |
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| snapcount | yes it finally works! | 03:41 |
| snapcount | I wrote a POE daemon with IKC that wraps a POE IRC bot | 03:42 |
| snapcount | so I can send messages to chat channels from other perl scripts with like three lines of code | 03:42 |
| snapcount | I wanted to use the CIA thing but our repos is not public | 03:43 |
| snapcount | and installing it on your own server was... well a bit messy | 03:43 |
| snapcount | if anyone is interested I'll give you the code... it's very very simple | 03:44 |
| snapcount | but works nicely | 03:44 |
| snapcount | anyways... gotta head home... bbl | 03:44 |
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| patspam | can anyone give me a heads-up on the current state of play with Survey 2.0? I didn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta? | 05:22 |
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| @preaction | patspam, it will hopefully be in 7.5.11. the author says his deadline for his sponsors is this week | 05:51 |
| @preaction | patspam, if you want to try it, there's a Survey 2.0 branch in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch | 05:51 |
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| patspam | ah fantastic, thanks preaction | 06:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: art thou awake? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I need some help designing the variant table to work with collateral | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It's probably easier than I'm making it | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll catch you tomorrow | 07:29 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6291 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: new variant table schema | 08:02 |
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| BartJol | morning | 10:31 |
| BartJol | awfully quiet here | 11:45 |
| BartJol | well let me state a question then | 11:45 |
| BartJol | I try to turn on my awstats | 11:45 |
| BartJol | [Fri May 02 10:31:14 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /data/wre/prereqs/wwwroot/awstats.pl | 11:46 |
| BartJol | this error comes up | 11:46 |
| BartJol | I tried to add ExecCGI to alle the necessary options | 11:46 |
| BartJol | but no result and my modproxy want restart because of it | 11:47 |
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| BartJol | hee knowmad, already figured out the unconditionalRead stuff? | 15:17 |
| ckotil | Is there a way to prevent a subset of assets from getting indexed by search? | 15:22 |
| ckotil | users want a 'staging area' on the production sites. bleh | 15:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, you could limit the scope of the search assets | 15:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can select the brach it searches trhough | 15:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | or you could set the privs of the assets toi something visitors don't see | 15:24 |
| ckotil | yah, that could work. but i have a global search that searches from root on down. perhaps i can tweak that a little. | 15:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 15:24 |
| ckotil | yah, that could work. ill try it out. thanks MrHairgrease | 15:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | you prolly don't want that anyway since that also include all the stuff in the import node | 15:24 |
| knowmad | hi BartJol; yes, i got the answer i was needing | 15:25 |
| ckotil | your right :) | 15:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | no problemo | 15:25 |
| ckotil | noones complained about that tho. im waiting to hear somehting like 'what are all these templates doing in search?' | 15:25 |
| BartJol | good to hear | 15:25 |
| knowmad | yeah, and the code I wrote appears to be working! | 15:25 |
| BartJol | congrats | 15:26 |
| knowmad | yeah, we have a team of 20 working round the clock on a queue; had some record locking problems that was causing multiple users to get the same record from the queue which is bad in many ways | 15:26 |
| BartJol | doesn't sound good, and 20 people?! whoah | 15:28 |
| knowmad | yeah, there's lots of potential for race conditions | 15:28 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings | 15:59 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: martin * r6292 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a bug that prevented updating the cart | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, are you awake? | 16:36 |
| @rizen | yeah | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I cannot set a shipping address | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | no errors | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i strated digging | 16:42 |
| @rizen | it's because i programmed that in there to prevent you from doing it | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the end i added an eval in the address book content handler | 16:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then it gave me a 'cannot call method session on an undefined value in line 433' | 16:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is in Shop::AddressBook->www_view | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | found it i think | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me try | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that seems to do it | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem was this: | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $sub->() } | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i changed that to | 16:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $cart->$method() } | 16:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | why is that construction used anyway? | 16:48 |
| @rizen | oh | 16:50 |
| @rizen | that was something i was trying out, and forgot to put back | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll turn it into the working state then | 16:50 |
| @rizen | graham said it would work, but it didn't | 16:50 |
| @rizen | sorry about that | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm, chasing weird bugs keeps me off the streets | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | question about the subscriptions | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | should I implement the subscription code thing on a per supscription basis | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | taht is, put it in the subscription asset | 16:51 |
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| @rizen | yes please | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:52 |
| @rizen | and we'll remove the "redeem subscription" link from the profile links | 16:52 |
| @rizen | which nobody could ever find anyway | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, and move that into the asset of course | 16:52 |
| @rizen | exactly | 16:52 |
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| ckotil | wow, im performing a ginourmous cut/paste. its taking a whle, i hope it doesnt time out. | 16:57 |
| ckotil | thankfully, on a test instance. | 16:57 |
| ckotil | :x thought it was , anyway. | 17:03 |
| ckotil | worked out. | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yay, the basic subscription stuff works | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | proceeding with the codes | 17:21 |
| BartJol | oh rizen maybe this is a nice wuc theme "By God, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen!" (Samuel Pepys, English marine officer) | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | Bart, I'm not sure whether that is a Good Thing... | 17:24 |
| BartJol | oh? | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's true anyway =) | 17:25 |
| BartJol | well, from JT's point of biew it is | 17:25 |
| BartJol | and it's historical reoccurring it seems | 17:25 |
| BartJol | the feeling, that is | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | hm, I have not a specific feeling about shitting devils | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | biertje? | 17:27 |
| BartJol | nou | 17:27 |
| BartJol | lijkt me wel wat | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | als jij ze nou even pakt, dan krijg je em van oqapi | 17:27 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: martin * r6293 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Shop.pm: Reverted a problem which caused the address book content handler to fail | 17:42 |
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| ckotil | anyone have a file import script that also handles directories? turning them into folder assets? fileImport.pl doesnt seem to do that. | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | That's been on my todo list for a long time | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I never have found the tim eto do it | 18:03 |
| ckotil | this siteimport.pl might do it actually. but its a pain to use. | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | It shouldn't be to difficult though | 18:03 |
| ckotil | heh, im not a very good programmer. | 18:03 |
| dionak | topsub created a modified version of fileImport.pl to create folders recently. | 18:06 |
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| dionak | basically, the method checked to see if the folder already existed. if not, addChild is called with the className WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder to create it | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: looking at the original code it seems that it was possible to tie multiple subscriptions to a subscription code | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | however the form element seems to have allowed only one | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it okay to have a one-to-one subscription<->code relation? | 18:14 |
| @rizen | yup | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:14 |
| ckotil | dionak: is the modified script posted in contributions? | 18:16 |
| dionak | no, it's not. it's not generalized... | 18:17 |
| dionak | but the basic idea is there | 18:17 |
| ckotil | ok | 18:17 |
| dionak | has anyone done subscriptions in 7.4.29? I've been asked to do this. I know you guys are working on it for 7.5.x | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah they exist in 7.4 too | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is the old commerce system | 18:18 |
| dionak | ok, let me dig around a bit... | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | there in the admin console | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta gop | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 18:19 |
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| dionak | i just setup some subscriptions but when i try to subscribe, the site reports 'Shipping is not possible because no shipping plugins are enabled'. why would i need shipping for subscriptions? | 18:47 |
| dionak | or is this what you guys are addressing? | 18:47 |
| dionak | btw, i got the info from the administrator's guide. very helpful | 18:48 |
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| @rizen | shipping determines tax rate | 19:02 |
| @rizen | whether you ship something or not | 19:02 |
| dionak | but how does that tie to subscriptions? there's no option in relation to a subscription for shipping. | 19:11 |
| dionak | i see that for product | 19:11 |
| dionak | oh, wait.. | 19:12 |
| dionak | i see. i just enabled shipping in the commerce admin console | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: do you have time to talk about the product variant table? | 19:19 |
| @rizen | i will in a few, i'll let you know | 19:20 |
| @rizen | you can start typing your questions if you want | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll start with the background | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | table definition at docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl, line 595 | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking that variants should be more Product collateral, so that their display order can be rearranged by the user | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I wanted to use the variant sku as the primary key | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | however, the collateral code won't let me use arbitrary keys as collateral indexes | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it really wants to use GUIDs | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | similarly, it prefers to use assetId to identify parentage, but I was planning on using mastersku (sku of parent asset) | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all to support inventory sync'ing | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so then I built a table schema that has variant sku, mastersku, assetId and variantId | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and it seems like wasted space | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm worrying too much about something in there, but I can't figure out what | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm curious how you'd do this, but more importantly, why you would make the decisions you'd make to arrive at a solution | 19:25 |
| @rizen | first, don't store mastersku with the variant | 19:25 |
| @rizen | mastersku is changable by the user | 19:25 |
| @rizen | so the relationship has to be maintained by assetId | 19:26 |
| @rizen | and also, sku is changable by user, therefore using a variantid guid is still a good idea, and therefore collateral still works | 19:26 |
| @rizen | you should never use something changable by a user a as a primary key | 19:27 |
| @rizen | so how i would do it is to have a table that looks like: | 19:27 |
| @rizen | create table Product_variant ( variantId varchar(22) binary not null primary key, assetId varchar(22) binary not null, sku varchar(35) binary not null, ........, sequenceNumber int not null default 1, index assetId_sequenceNumber (assetId, sequenceNumber)) | 19:29 |
| @rizen | OR | 19:29 |
| @rizen | even better would be to move all the collateral tables of product into json blob fields as mediumtext into the product, so that the product could be deployed as a package or a prototype | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I've seen, packages can be deployed with collateral | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and I've already gone down the path of JSON madness, and it was no fun | 19:31 |
| @rizen | packages can be | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but not prototypes | 19:31 |
| @rizen | but you still lose out on versioning and prototypes | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 19:32 |
| @rizen | the json stuff isn't necessary if you don't want to do it...i just think it would be better | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | in either case, still need to work out the schema | 19:32 |
| @rizen | the schema for what? | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if you grab the 2008-04 log from mentalhouse and look at line 11509, you'll see that we decided that we needed master sku in the variant for inventory sync'ing | 19:33 |
| @rizen | i just gave you the schema for variant | 19:33 |
| @rizen | no we didn't | 19:33 |
| @rizen | we need a master sku | 19:33 |
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| @rizen | we DON'T need it in the variant | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:34 |
| @rizen | we have it in the product | 19:34 |
| @rizen | the product inherits sku from WebGUI::Asset::Sku | 19:34 |
| @rizen | so we have our master sku right there | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:34 |
| @rizen | and varients have assetId | 19:34 |
| @rizen | so you have the relationship | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'm straightened out | 19:36 |
| @rizen | sweet | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | so my apprenticeship lessons are: | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) Don't get confused by CSV requirements and table schemas | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Don't use anything the user can touch as a primary key | 19:38 |
| @rizen | correct | 19:39 |
| @rizen | oh...and that JSON blobs, while tricky, aren't bad | 19:39 |
| @rizen | they give users more features | 19:39 |
| @rizen | and per my black blog posting today, they may actually become a requirement for collateral storage | 19:39 |
| * perlmonkey2 really needs to get his feedreader working with wG. | 19:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | well, I'll try to get my feet wet then | 19:40 |
| @apeiron | hmm, has anyone thought about using http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ for the various admin console / func=edit type features in wG? Basically it allows for word processor-like undo/redo and the like for Webapps. | 19:44 |
| @rizen | i've thought about firing you for making suggestions | 19:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: wow | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought you were trying to give him a complex | 19:45 |
| @rizen | but then i realized that your a valuable employee | 19:45 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:45 |
| @apeiron | You know, psychologically abusing people like that can make them lash out. | 19:46 |
| @rizen | i'm just trying to get you pumped up for the annual Plain Black golden gloves tournament. You're in my weight class aren't you? | 19:48 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:48 |
| dionak | i need to get more input on subscriptions. we have a publication site that has several types of subscriptions. for instance, one group has access to 5 publications, another 6. so we made a group for each publication and then subscription groups, like 'Member' and 'Member Plus'. I created subscriptions and assigned them to each group ('Member', 'Member Plus'). | 19:48 |
| @rizen | you're right so far dionak | 19:49 |
| dionak | What I'd like to see happen is that when a subscription expires, the user is prompted to subscribe again. How can I set this up so a user is prompted to renew the type of subscription they had and test this? | 19:49 |
| dionak | btw, i've been updating the wiki as I go along here | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't there a group expire message field in the group? | 19:50 |
| dionak | looking... | 19:50 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: graham * r6294 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): removed legacy wgFieldUserData table | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | exipreNotify, expireOffset, expireNotifyMessage | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure if they're exposed through the group interface yet... | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yes it is | 19:52 |
| dionak | so when the subscription expires, the user is expired from the subscription group based on the subscription term or group expiration, or both? | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I _think_ they're tied together, so both | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the group is created based on the subscription? | 19:54 |
| dionak | and the notify occurs via email.... | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | also the WebGUI Inbox | 19:54 |
| dionak | well, the group is associated with the subscription. | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow/Activity/ExpireGroupings.pm | 19:54 |
| dionak | ok | 19:54 |
| dionak | so i could use the GroupText macro to test if they are in the group and, if not, i would need to send them back through the commerce piece to choose a subscription. | 19:55 |
| dionak | no way to know what group they were in.. | 19:55 |
| @rizen | huh | 19:55 |
| dionak | i'm thinking of the web interface only here | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Different macros for different groups | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | well, same macro, different instances checking for different group membership | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | The user's group expire date is set by the subscription, see the apply method in WebGUI::Subscription | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | so it will work correctly | 19:56 |
| dionak | but they would be expired from a group, correct? | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:56 |
| dionak | so how would i know what their subscription was? | 19:57 |
| dionak | it's not critical but i'm curious | 19:57 |
| dionak | i guess i could look it up in one of the subscription tables? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | you _could_ write a counterpart to the GroupText macro that only displayed text if the user was about to expire | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it would check the Group's expire notify offset settings and display text appropriately | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | might be a good core addition too, to complement C2 | 19:59 |
| dionak | hm, i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be entertaining (and short) to write but i don't think it fits this situation. we altered search.pm to make a public search. if a user doesn't have permission, i want to prompt them to login or expire. i think i can do this via the login template | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can, it should save you the time of writing and testing the macro, so it sounds like a good call | 20:07 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: graham * r6295 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Importing data can fail with some internal field Ids | 20:18 |
| dionak | thanks for the input. i'm going to try that route | 20:21 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6296 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with add_url tmpl_var permissions | 20:40 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix: Thingy: edit thing doesn't show any saved properties | 20:40 |
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| ckotil | any idea why a 78k pdf would appear to be 3MB in webgui? | 21:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Is there a trick to gettign modproxy to like new certs and keys? I just copied over my existing ones from apache. | 21:33 |
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| ckotil | oh i see. the asset has a brazillion revisions. | 22:03 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6298 /WebGUI/ (t/Cache lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm t/Cache/Database.t): added some database cache tests while testing out a theory, the theory is busted, but at least we have some more tests | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, what was the theory? | 23:32 |
| @rizen | it was actually haarg's theory. the idea was that if we cached the prepared statement on database backed cache we'd get a significant performance boost since the query to retrieve cache might be used a hundred times per request | 23:33 |
| @rizen | however, if there was a performance gain, it was so small it couldn't be measured by Time::HiRes | 23:34 |
| @rizen | it was a great theory | 23:34 |
| @rizen | unfortunately it just didn't hold water, which is too bad | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard of other things like that at OSCON talks | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | cached queries, memcached being a huge performance gain | 23:35 |
| @rizen | how big of a gain could it be if it's so small that it can't be measured by Time::HiRes | 23:38 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:38 |
| @rizen | the difference is statistically insignificant | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe you | 23:39 |
| @rizen | Then again, we are talking about measuring things than are are less than 0.003 seconds | 23:39 |
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| charleyhankins | Hi! Anyone here really familiar with Thingy? | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | have you checked the forums and the bug list? | 00:21 |
| charleyhankins | yeah. I've been working in the forums. | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | are you having problems, or asking for best practices, or something else? | 00:22 |
| charleyhankins | I'm using it, but having a couple of issues. wondering if anyone could help me out. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give it a shot | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 00:22 |
| charleyhankins | thanks. basically i need my thingy search to operate like this: http://goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work | 00:22 |
| charleyhankins | but having trouble with the category drop down. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of trouble? | 00:23 |
| charleyhankins | I'm here: http://web402.plainblack.net/home/great-place-to-live/chamber-of-commerce/membership | 00:23 |
| charleyhankins | as you can see. the drop down pulls directly from the dbase. And when I search using it, it returns no results. | 00:24 |
| charleyhankins | I also need it be be alphabetical. | 00:24 |
| @rizen | i don't have time to look at it, but if the search isn't working then it very well could be a bug | 00:25 |
| @rizen | as far as alphabetical, that would be an RFE | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I'd say you found a bug | 00:25 |
| @rizen | although i think that RFE has already been implemented in 7.5.11 | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | which won't be released until after May 31st | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | charleyharkins: you have a paid support contract from Plain Black? | 00:26 |
| charleyhankins | problem is, I need this fixed by monday. | 00:26 |
| charleyhankins | yeah. | 00:26 |
| charleyhankins | but it's slow going. | 00:26 |
| @rizen | then post your questions there | 00:26 |
| charleyhankins | i have. | 00:26 |
| @rizen | you have only basic support, which guarantees a response within 48 hours...so yeah, it will be a bit slow going | 00:27 |
| @rizen | and since it's 4:27 on a friday | 00:27 |
| @rizen | i guarantee you that any problems you are having with thingy will not be resolved by monday | 00:27 |
| charleyhankins | i've been working with this for weeks. | 00:27 |
| charleyhankins | right. | 00:27 |
| charleyhankins | anyway, thanks for your help. | 00:27 |
| @rizen | report the bug | 00:28 |
| @rizen | but regarding having problems...i'm sure that this was explained to you when you signed up for the beta server | 00:28 |
| @rizen | it is a beta after all.=) | 00:28 |
| charleyhankins | sure. let me ask you this question then. Is there another way to accomplish this within WebGUI? http://www.goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work | 00:29 |
| @rizen | i have no idea what i'm looking at | 00:30 |
| @rizen | looks like a page to me | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | search function with text entry fields and some dropdowns | 00:30 |
| charleyhankins | yes. | 00:30 |
| @rizen | i see a webgui site | 00:30 |
| @rizen | are you guys seeing something else? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:31 |
| @rizen | hmmm...my dns must be screwed up | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I see a search form with text fields and dropdowns for selecting categories | 00:31 |
| charleyhankins | i have a db of businesses. they need to be searchable by business name, last name, category. The category needs to be drop down box. | 00:31 |
| @rizen | have you chosen "Select Box" as your field type in Thingy? | 00:32 |
| @rizen | for category | 00:32 |
| charleyhankins | yes. and it is when editing the field, but the search box is always a text box. | 00:32 |
| @rizen | if you have, then it will be a dropdown in the search | 00:32 |
| @rizen | oh | 00:32 |
| charleyhankins | no, it's not. | 00:32 |
| @rizen | if it's not display a dropdown in search then that's a bug | 00:33 |
| @rizen | the search should display the same field type as the edit form | 00:33 |
| charleyhankins | can i create a seperate dropdown search for that particular field in the search template? | 00:33 |
| @rizen | i don't know i haven't looked into the templates that much | 00:33 |
| charleyhankins | how would I code that in particular? | 00:33 |
| @rizen | one thing you could do is create another Thing in that Thingy called "Category" | 00:34 |
| @rizen | and populate it with your list of categories | 00:34 |
| @rizen | then that would drop down a list in the search | 00:34 |
| charleyhankins | that's what I have. and it populates with categories, but does not return results. | 00:34 |
| @rizen | then that's a bug and you should report it | 00:34 |
| @rizen | and as far as fixing it by Monday you're screwed | 00:35 |
| charleyhankins | ha! ok. thanks. | 00:35 |
| @rizen | the only other advice i have would be to try to create a category using the Radio List field type | 00:35 |
| @rizen | maybe that would display as a radio list in the search results | 00:35 |
| @rizen | which is ugly | 00:35 |
| @rizen | but at least it would work | 00:35 |
| charleyhankins | sure. but, hey... right | 00:35 |
| charleyhankins | i'll give it a go. | 00:36 |
| charleyhankins | thanks. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | how about not using the template field for that form, but building the select box with a SQL macro and HTML right in the template? | 00:36 |
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| @apeiron | May it be known, across the lands, for all to hear, that apeiron hates JS. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 01:06 |
| @apeiron | Well, HTML and CSS, too. | 01:06 |
| @apeiron | And SQL. | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, you're not doing too bad. The message got to Oregon :) | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | How does SQL rank against JS? | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | eh | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | Other projects I can use DBIx::Class and such. | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | JS... there's no escape. | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I like SQL better than JS | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | because you can hide behind a lot of perl :) | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | yeah. | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | That doesn't make me 'like' SQL any more. | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | If I wasn't a teetotaler, JS would drive me to drink. | 01:08 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: or is it just the YUI? | 01:17 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, YUI is nice, but JS is JS and there's a hundred different little inconsistencies between browsers that don't exist in perlland. | 01:18 |
| @apeiron | (and the inconsistencies that *do* exist in perlland are documented in perldelta) | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | well, to be fair, not all of them are | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | Oh? | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Consider working on Windows, Solaris, and Fedora | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 01:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | YUI does insulate you against most of the browser problems. | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | perldoc perlport. :) | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Yeah, when you're doing YUI things. | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | that won't cover the fedora issues | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | heh | 01:19 |
| @apeiron | perldoc psychiatrist | 01:19 |
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| @apeiron | (preventative measures; they were in #perl spewing CCs and SSNs) | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what is +b? | 01:28 |
| @apeiron | ban | 01:28 |
| @apeiron | cannot enter channel and if in channel when ban is placed, cannot speak or reenter | 01:29 |
| nuba | awesome, lets quickly /j #perl | 01:29 |
| nuba | now seriously, that sucks | 01:29 |
| * apeiron nods | 01:30 | |
| nuba | probably some disaffected college student | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, you know those college students | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | always causing trouble | 01:31 |
| * apeiron looks around shiftily | 01:31 | |
| @apeiron | I've, uh, I've no idea what you're talking about! | 01:31 |
| * perlDreamer seems to remember that nuba is similarly attending a place of higher education | 01:32 | |
| nuba | im a college student here, CS baccaulaureate, but i've left the disaffected part behind already | 01:32 |
| nuba | im just too busy to spend time with that | 01:32 |
| nuba | but you can sense it around, anyway | 01:33 |
| nuba | young people looking for trouble | 01:33 |
| nuba | those punks! | 01:33 |
| nuba | lol | 01:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | easy there, nuba | 02:01 |
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| Lisette | hello perlDreamer | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | congratulations on your team winning the t-shirt contest, lisette | 02:04 |
| Lisette | thanks | 02:04 |
| Lisette | i have a question around apache | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:05 |
| Lisette | i can use the apace 1.3.x? | 02:05 |
| Lisette | apache | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think so. Apache 2.x | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | mainly because of mod_perl 2.x | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you could try it, but no promises on how it works | 02:05 |
| Lisette | thanks | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Porque quiere usar un Apache tan viejo? | 02:12 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Product variant creation is held off until we can finalize | 08:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: the variant code. | 08:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Began building JSON based variant code, and a test for | 08:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: verifying how it works. set, get and delete collateral | 08:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: are implemented. Still need to build moveUp and moveDown. | 08:55 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Lots of tests to be written. | 08:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: You late night hackin' monster! | 18:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: you were right (again). Properly encapsulated, this JSON stuff isn't so bad. | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: would it be bad to make moveUp and moveDown collateral to wrap around (in the new Product collateral)? | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | apeiron, preaction_: what's the SQL subquery for getting the latest revision of all assets in a table? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate; | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that's close, but not quote enough | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | this is closer: SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(revisionDate) FROM Product); | 01:22 |
| @apeiron | hm | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I need a max revisionDate for each assetId | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | because that gives me the biggest in the whole table | 01:24 |
| @apeiron | How does the latter differ from that? | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | let's say I have three assets, a1, a2, a3 | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | each was committed one minute apart | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | my last query will only give me 1 asset, from a3 | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rather than the latest versions of a1 and a2 | 01:25 |
| @apeiron | Ah. | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | the good news is that JSON based collateral is working | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I just can't upgrade from Wobject based products to Sku based products because of the query | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll grind on it while I'm taking the tiller to the shop. | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for listening, apeiron! | 01:28 |
| @apeiron | I may have a solution, trying it out. | 01:28 |
| @apeiron | Have you thought of putting a WHERE clause in the subquery? | 01:28 |
| @apeiron | (for the assetId) | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I hadn't | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that I don't know at that point which assetId I want, since the query returns them | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I need to dig into AssetLineage and see what's going on there | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | or the Template form variable | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | got it | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(Product.revisionDate) FROM Product where Product.assetId=a.assetId); | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_ is going to get mad if I keep doing that | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron: you were exactly right | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm just too SQL-newbified to understand | 02:45 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks for the tip, dude! | 02:45 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6304 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): move* with tests | 03:22 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6305 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): conversion of Product from Wobjects to Skus with variants is done | 07:49 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, About the SQL stuff yesterday, was really just a guess on my part. :) | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | a good one :) | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | with perl, instinct is a valuable commodity | 18:55 |
| * apeiron nods, emphatically. | 18:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | okay, this is embarrasing | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I need some perl help | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I have an array ref | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to make a safe copy of it | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so I start with $ref | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | my @copy = @{ $ref } | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I modify @copy | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and right now I'm seeing changes in $ref | 19:04 |
| @apeiron | hrm | 19:05 |
| @apeiron | I've seen a module to do this, I think. | 19:05 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Storable has a dclone() that you can use. | 19:06 |
| @rizen | if that's showing changes in the ref then i think that webgui is broken all over the place | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to boil it down and figure it out | 19:06 |
| @rizen | cuz that's always how i make copies of array refs | 19:06 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Does your usage vary much from http://webgui.pastebin.com/d20f4191e ? | 19:08 |
| @apeiron | That DWYM. | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d0b74a | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | oh crap | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | now I get it | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still dealing with references | 19:10 |
| @rizen | indeed | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | perldoc Storable | 19:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | this works better | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m289c0ffb | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I had to iterate over the array anyway | 19:16 |
| sanyock3 | Hi All | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Hi, sanyock3 | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have some webgui questions? | 19:16 |
| sanyock3 | Sure ;) | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: Have you looked at the new JSON collateral methods? If I'm way off base, it would be good to know before I get too far along. | 19:20 |
| @rizen | no but i will | 19:20 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6306 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:24 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Convert accessories over to the new Product collateral methods. | 19:24 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add a method to get the JSON collateral indexed, for easy access to indeces. | 19:24 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add tests for the new getIndexedCollateralData method. | 19:24 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: In the upgrade script, put variants in all versions of the Product. Begin | 19:24 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: work on converting the collateral tables over to JSON. | 19:24 |
| @rizen | looks like you're on the right track | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | (phew) good. Thanks for the review. | 19:25 |
| @rizen | though when i genericize it for use in other assets there are a few things i'd change | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, what does it need? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | first, while for your purposes of conversion the word "table" makes sense, but to people that never saw table based collateral, it makes no sense | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | would $collateral be a better variable to use? Or something else? | 19:27 |
| @rizen | and it adds to confusion because databases have tables, but json doesn | 19:27 |
| @rizen | second, i wouldn't make it part of the asset, but rather a separate object that the asset can use similar to VersionTag or Keywords | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking in the long term this would become a mixin | 19:28 |
| @rizen | so you'd do: my $collateral = WebGUI::JsonCollateral->new($self, $fieldName); | 19:29 |
| @rizen | maybe it will, i'm still not convinced about mixins yet though | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, if you want it top-level, top-level it is | 19:29 |
| @rizen | i'm still leaning toward separate objects | 19:29 |
| @rizen | for the purposes of this though | 19:30 |
| @rizen | don't worry about those things | 19:30 |
| @rizen | just get it done | 19:30 |
| @rizen | given the time constraints you don't have time to make this perfect | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 19:30 |
| @rizen | besides, i've changed the spec of products on you enough during this | 19:31 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | only once. I just keep flip-flopping implementations | 19:31 |
| @rizen | once is enough | 19:31 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:31 |
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| itnomad | I'm getting ready to install webgui on a CentOS server. I am confused by the instructions for DNS setup. Not much experience there. I am using one site on a computer that I access only by numbered address. Eventually I will get a domain name for this, but for now can I skip the DNS setup or do I have to make up a name for the WRE to use locally? | 20:08 |
| itnomad | Where it says "add your first site"; sitename='can I use a numbered address here?' | 20:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | itnomad, I'm not a WRE user, but I don't see why not | 20:15 |
| itnomad | By now my nubiness must be clear to all. I have an intranet with a couple computers and am using a router and port forwarding. | 20:16 |
| itnomad | I guess I just need to jump in and give it a shot. | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | itnomad, we've all started there. Don't feel bad because you're new. | 20:16 |
| itnomad | I should go ahead and learn about the /etc/hosts file anyway. It's just that there is so much to do and so little time. Thanks for the encouragement perlDreamer. | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | itnomad, if you're truly in a time crunch to set this up, have you considered having someone setup and host your site for you? | 20:18 |
| @rizen | itnomad use the domain name that you think you'll be using when you luanch | 20:19 |
| @rizen | launch | 20:19 |
| @rizen | www.itnomad.com | 20:19 |
| @rizen | for example | 20:19 |
| @apeiron | Then you can put that in /etc/hosts, right? | 20:19 |
| @rizen | yes, and then add an entry to /etc/hosts | 20:20 |
| @rizen | of: | 20:20 |
| @rizen | 10.0.0.1 www.itnomad.com | 20:20 |
| @rizen | replace 10.0.0.1 with your numbered ip | 20:20 |
| @rizen | then you can still access the site using 10.0.0.1 (or whatever your ip is) | 20:21 |
| @rizen | but the WRE is expecting a domain...not an ip address | 20:21 |
| itnomad | okay...got it. That helps a lot! | 20:21 |
| itnomad | Thank you ... onward with the installation. | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: accessory collateral converted over to JSON collateral. The upgrade process has been tested, but I still need to test the UI. | 20:28 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6307 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:34 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Convert accessory collateral to JSON based accessory collateral. | 20:34 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add a product with accessory collateral to loadProducts.pl to test the upgrade. | 20:34 |
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| itnomad | installation was painless once I got past that one hump. I went ahead and bought the domain I will be using and put in /etc/hosts with my local ip. Everything is working. Thanks again for the help. Now for some exercise. | 22:27 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I would like to mark today as a day of celebration. Microsoft has, at least for now, given up its bid to buy Yahoo. | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Motion seconded | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | any comments from the floor? | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | barring comments from floor, or an override from the commissioner, motion is passed. | 22:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah, perlDreamer++ | 23:14 |
| @rizen | i object | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the committee recognizes the commissioner | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you please detail the objection for the record? | 23:27 |
| @rizen | i would like to designate today as a day of sour grapes | 23:27 |
| @rizen | i mean, did you read that pity party of a letter that balmer released to the public | 23:28 |
| @rizen | he's so pissed off that someone would thwart his advances, that he's attempting to devalue Yahoo!'s stock price by saying they don't know how to run their own business | 23:29 |
| @rizen | in addition, he talks as if he knows so much about the search business...but if he did, would his company really be a distant 3rd place contender...and note that he's talking to the 2nd place contender here | 23:30 |
| @rizen | therefore i designate today as a day of sour grapes | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the committee would like suggest that we combine the celebration and sour grapes to be a day of "Neener neener boo boo". | 23:31 |
| @rizen | i really want to post what i just said to the black blog, but me thinks that it probably wouldn't be appropriate | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | just pull the concept out of it, and write about that | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | poor sportsmanship, mud-slinging don't work well with open source | 23:33 |
| @rizen | what fun would that be | 23:34 |
| @rizen | oh, and steve balmer can't do math | 23:35 |
| @rizen | in his letter he claimed that they offered an additional $1 per share (raising it to $33 from $32 per share) which was also rejected | 23:36 |
| @rizen | and he said that extra $1/share was going to cost $5 billion | 23:36 |
| @rizen | later in the letter he said that yahoo would not settle for anything less than $37 per share | 23:36 |
| @rizen | which would cost an additional $5 billion or more | 23:36 |
| @rizen | how is it that $1/share and $4/share both equal $5 billion | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | unless the number of shares offered are different, they aren't | 23:37 |
| @rizen | exactly | 23:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 23:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It is always fun to see a company, lacking in even the remotest spec of integrity, fall on its face. | 23:39 |
| @rizen | but in far more important news: | 23:41 |
| @rizen | http://gizmodo.com/386877/holy-crap-macgyver-blockbuster-film-coming | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I already miss the new commerce system | 23:42 |
| @rizen | you already miss it? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | oh...you're working on the old one for that contract | 23:45 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:45 |
| @rizen | what's funny is that i'm writing the same thing you are | 23:45 |
| @rizen | only for the new one | 23:45 |
| @rizen | $0 transactions | 23:45 |
| @rizen | right at this very moment | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | have to take a small break | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a very important snake tungue surgery to perform | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Yesterday, I was an electrician | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | This morning, a programmer | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this afternoon, a veterinarian | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what a day | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, I caught a cold | 23:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: Should I address the cover letter to Frank? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | if you like | 23:57 |
| @rizen | he is going to be the one who interviews you | 23:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | groovy | 23:57 |
| --- Day changed Mon May 05 2008 | ||
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6308 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProductManager.pm: price and weight checks were mangled in the ProductManager | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | are all WebGUI releases tagged in SVN? | 01:24 |
| @rizen | all releases in the past 6 months or so | 01:25 |
| @rizen | we didn't do it before that | 01:25 |
| @rizen | maybe not even that long ago...i don't remember exactly when we started it | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.4.16 is before the JSON fixes, so I'm guessing that it's too old | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's okay, I'll diff against an original source tree | 01:26 |
| @rizen | no i think 7.4.16 should be in the tags | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check | 01:26 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/releases/WebGUI_7.4.16-stable/ | 01:26 |
| @rizen | looks like we've been doing it since the 7.3 days | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 01:27 |
| @rizen | ok calling it quits for the day...ttyl | 01:40 |
| -!- rizen is now known as rizenisaway | 01:40 | |
| * perlDreamer continues with his journey | 01:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | leaping from module to module | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | writing wrongs from the past | 01:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and hoping that each one will show him the way home | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or at least to a cushy well paying job with Perl | 02:16 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6309 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm: fix for POD whitespace | 02:22 |
| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6310 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: final accessory changes. UI tests pass as well | 02:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | this new collateral system is so simple, I wonder if the whole thing could be automated, ala the definition sub. | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so when it found a collateral property, it would autogenerate all the move, and delete subs | 02:53 |
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| enriquan | hi all :) | 05:24 |
| enriquan | ... | 05:29 |
| enriquan | nobody's here huh? | 05:29 |
| enriquan | I cant install webgui... cause my server's running apache | 05:30 |
| enriquan | and its my web host... so I dont think I can disable it | 05:30 |
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| CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6311 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert related over to JSON collateral | 07:01 |
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| citronized | hello :) | 09:27 |
| citronized | i'm trying to install Webgui on a mac... OS 10.5 | 09:28 |
| citronized | i'm wondering if there's a special directory in a specific location to create for unpacking ? | 09:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | citronized: I'm not familiar with installing it on a mac, but is there anything in the wiki about a mac install? | 09:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm sure it'd be documented somewhere | 09:30 |
| citronized | perhaps yup, i'm gonna have a look there :) | 09:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | my guess though is that it's the same as for every other platform - you need a /data directory and everything goes under that - that's just a guess tho | 09:31 |
| citronized | yes, but as I have several sessions, I dunno if I have to create the data dir at the root or in one admin session... | 09:31 |
| @rizenisaway | the instructions are the same for *all* platforms, and the wre comes with them in docs/install.txt | 09:32 |
| @rizenisaway | just follow it and you'll be fine | 09:32 |
| citronized | ok, I'll do that :) thank you two ;) | 09:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | you're welcome | 09:33 |
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| citronized | hello again, when i list the services, i have a warning displayed on page : Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024. | 10:19 |
| citronized | so i cannot start Apache Modproxy services :( | 10:19 |
| citronized | i've tried using a "root" session, but i have the same warning displayed :-/ | 10:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | you will need to be root to start webgui, yes, or any apache service. | 10:21 |
| citronized | isn't there a way to start the service in command line, using the root login ? | 10:22 |
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| citronized | ok, found it | 10:33 |
| citronized | the command is : "data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start all" | 10:34 |
| citronized | with "su" before :) | 10:34 |
| BartJol | do you know whether su retains the environment settings? | 10:35 |
| citronized | nope, no idea | 10:36 |
| BartJol | quite important | 10:36 |
| BartJol | I think when I sudo'd it didn't go well | 10:36 |
| BartJol | and you need root rights for -all | 10:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | err.. not su | 10:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | sudo | 10:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | or use su to get into root first, then run it I guess | 10:37 |
| BartJol | well that works for me... | 10:38 |
| BartJol | off course | 10:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | either should work really | 10:38 |
| BartJol | ah | 10:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | but you may have to configure sudo first to ensure you have privileges to do it | 10:38 |
| BartJol | well I broke something so I can't test it right now | 10:38 |
| BartJol | ah | 10:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | su is easier imho | 10:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | but sudo is technically safer :) | 10:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | both give you root privs tho :) | 10:39 |
| BartJol | ok | 10:39 |
| citronized | well, i'm just trying to instal webgui to test it localy | 10:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | fair enough | 10:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | webgui is great, but the installation is always the hardest part :) | 10:40 |
| citronized | i can see that, yup !! :) | 10:40 |
| BartJol | with the wre it's quite doable | 10:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | you know about the demo.plainblack.com site right? | 10:40 |
| citronized | yep, but it only last for 1 day, don't it ? | 10:41 |
| BartJol | it does | 10:41 |
| BartJol | or limited time anyway\ | 10:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | with the wre it should be doable in about half an hour.. but that assumes you have no mysql, no apache, perl, anything on that system already that might conflict or cause issues | 10:41 |
| BartJol | I had a clean server, that might make a difference | 10:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, I've found it makes the world of difference | 10:42 |
| citronized | took me less then one hour | 10:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | for your first time that's excellent :) | 10:43 |
| BartJol | so before installing make sure it's clean with a sudo rm -rf / command | 10:43 |
| BartJol | :) | 10:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | hhaha | 10:43 |
| BartJol | sorry, to often made, this joke is | 10:43 |
| citronized | :p | 10:44 |
| BartJol | I'm just not that original :) | 10:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | See your nerd education is still rather lacking that's why Bart.. you're getting there tho :) | 10:44 |
| citronized | how do i quit the "root" mode in terminal ? | 10:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | exit | 10:45 |
| citronized | ty | 10:45 |
| BartJol | ctrl-D | 10:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can use the 'id' command to see what privileges you're running as at any time too | 10:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | it should say something like 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root)' if you're running as root | 10:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | and something like 'uid=501(jesse) gid=503(formsys)' if you're as a normal user | 10:47 |
| BartJol | but I'm not called jesse? | 10:47 |
| citronized | :) | 10:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | yes, be grateful for that one :) | 10:47 |
| citronized | gives me that : uid=501(citronized) gid=501(citronized) groups=501(citronized),98(_lpadmin),80(admin) | 10:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup, so you're in a normal user session right now then | 10:48 |
| citronized | ;) | 10:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | id is handy if you're like me and logged into half a dozen different machines at any one time and can never remember who you logged in as | 10:49 |
| citronized | i guess :) | 10:50 |
| BartJol | ah, I'm only logged in to maximun three machines simultaneously | 10:50 |
| BartJol | but, I'm not yet as nerdy... | 10:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 10:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | Well I'm off home - going to see Iron Man tonight and looking forward to it! | 10:53 |
| BartJol | ah, have fun | 10:53 |
| citronized | :) | 10:53 |
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| citronized | is there a way to custom used fonts for all pages ? | 11:02 |
| BartJol | ? probably there is, but I'm not sure what you mean? | 11:03 |
| BartJol | in the css you can do that | 11:04 |
| BartJol | but you can have a css in the head of the template or a separate css file | 11:04 |
| citronized | the content part use a serif font, i'd like to use a sans-serif font, i don't know how to manage this :) | 11:04 |
| citronized | ok | 11:05 |
| citronized | where is located this css ? | 11:05 |
| BartJol | so you just have to look at your template whether it has css directly in it or via a css file | 11:05 |
| BartJol | you can see it in your template | 11:05 |
| BartJol | probably somewhere in the import node or media folder | 11:05 |
| citronized | right, in the import dir ;) ty | 11:07 |
| BartJol | if the template uses a css file, it should be defined in the head section of your template | 11:07 |
| BartJol | if you have bugzilla (if you use firefox) most of the time you also see what file is used | 11:08 |
| BartJol | the name anyway | 11:08 |
| citronized | i have the webdeveloper tools bar | 11:10 |
| citronized | ;) | 11:10 |
| BartJol | ok | 11:11 |
| citronized | BartJol: do you know how can I add MySQL tables or DB ? Do I have to use the WRE console or there's a phpMyadmin like console ? | 11:22 |
| BartJol | ah | 11:23 |
| BartJol | well | 11:23 |
| BartJol | I would just go into the mysql db | 11:24 |
| BartJol | but with an sql form, maybe you are able to do it too | 11:24 |
| BartJol | but I didn't work with that yet | 11:24 |
| citronized | oh, ok... | 11:25 |
| BartJol | but not via the wreconsole and there isn't a separate console for it | 11:25 |
| citronized | ok, i have to figured out how to manage that | 11:26 |
| BartJol | do you want users to be able to do that? or you just want to add a table? | 11:27 |
| citronized | i just want to add a table in order to manage some records which will be displayed in the site | 11:29 |
| BartJol | for an extra db, you have to make one in mysql, then add a database link inyour webgui settings | 11:29 |
| citronized | i've seen that i have to do this link, but i dunno if there's a "phpMyadmin like" interface | 11:31 |
| BartJol | your mysql user and password are in your WebGUI conf file | 11:31 |
| BartJol | well, thingy might be able to do that | 11:31 |
| BartJol | but that's only in the beta version | 11:32 |
| BartJol | and these also are local assets, so not page iwde | 11:32 |
| citronized | expected for the end of May, i've heard | 11:32 |
| BartJol | yeah, well... | 11:33 |
| BartJol | :) | 11:33 |
| BartJol | deadlines are easily passed | 11:33 |
| citronized | i know, i know :) | 11:33 |
| BartJol | but it will be somewhere around there | 11:33 |
| BartJol | it will be before the wuc | 11:33 |
| citronized | what is the wuc ? | 11:34 |
| BartJol | the webgui user conference | 11:34 |
| BartJol | 29th of august in madison, wisconsin | 11:34 |
| BartJol | I believe | 11:34 |
| BartJol | www.webgui.org/wuc | 11:34 |
| citronized | oh ok :) | 11:35 |
| BartJol | it's nice, and you can get to meet all the famous wbegui nerds | 11:35 |
| citronized | i won't be there :) | 11:35 |
| citronized | too far for me | 11:35 |
| BartJol | too bad, | 11:35 |
| BartJol | we are going with around 12 dutchmen | 11:35 |
| BartJol | and it's far for us too | 11:36 |
| citronized | i guess | 11:36 |
| citronized | maybe if i'm rich and have some holidays :) | 11:36 |
| BartJol | a, we all get our tickets because it's our work | 11:37 |
| BartJol | and all give presentations | 11:37 |
| BartJol | where are you from then? | 11:38 |
| citronized | from france :) | 11:38 |
| BartJol | Straasbourg?\ | 11:38 |
| citronized | yup, Mr. Nerd :) | 11:39 |
| citronized | but it's Strasbourg ;) | 11:39 |
| BartJol | thnaks, I consider that a compliment | 11:39 |
| citronized | u can :) | 11:39 |
| BartJol | I know, my typing has to warm up | 11:39 |
| citronized | np | 11:39 |
| BartJol | well, nice to have more persons in the some timezone here | 11:40 |
| citronized | Straasbourg sounds too much german for me :) | 11:40 |
| BartJol | in dutch it's Straatsburg | 11:40 |
| citronized | close | 11:40 |
| citronized | about the tickets, it's not my job, even if i would like it :) | 11:41 |
| BartJol | maybe a career change? :) | 11:42 |
| citronized | i hope | 11:42 |
| citronized | i'm bored with filemaker devs :) | 11:42 |
| citronized | it's unusefull i think | 11:42 |
| BartJol | but do you also work on the french translation? that would be a must for webgui in france | 11:43 |
| BartJol | already 38 percent done | 11:43 |
| citronized | I will | 11:44 |
| BartJol | nice | 11:44 |
| citronized | i discuss of it here with another user, i can't remember his name :| | 11:45 |
| citronized | perl-somethg | 11:45 |
| citronized | sorry for him | 11:45 |
| BartJol | perlmonkey2? | 11:45 |
| citronized | yup | 11:45 |
| BartJol | perlDreamer? | 11:45 |
| citronized | ;) | 11:45 |
| citronized | both, as far as i can remember | 11:45 |
| BartJol | ah, those are both sleeping | 11:46 |
| citronized | i guess, last time i came, was the night here :) | 11:46 |
| BartJol | Is there something like a WebGUI community in France? | 11:46 |
| citronized | i don't know :) | 11:46 |
| citronized | i'm quite comfortable with english, so i didn't even look if one exists | 11:47 |
| BartJol | In the Netherlands we have, if we have a bigger meeting would you like to come here? | 11:47 |
| BartJol | that's not very far | 11:48 |
| citronized | why not | 11:48 |
| citronized | i was in Utrecht this w-e :) | 11:48 |
| BartJol | ah | 11:48 |
| BartJol | nice city | 11:48 |
| citronized | for a car meeting :) | 11:48 |
| citronized | well, not really cars, but Citroën's :) | 11:49 |
| BartJol | mm, Utrecht just banned SUV's from the city centre | 11:49 |
| BartJol | well, the old Citroens are really nice | 11:49 |
| citronized | they really are, i think :) | 11:49 |
| citronized | i'm a citroën scale model collector :) | 11:50 |
| BartJol | well that's not reaaly my type of hobby | 11:50 |
| citronized | and that a part of the point of my website project : buil a scalemodelslibrary :) | 11:50 |
| BartJol | but, if you collect model cars, they can better be nice | 11:51 |
| BartJol | ah | 11:51 |
| citronized | yeah, don't have enough $$ to buy real ones :) | 11:51 |
| BartJol | :) | 11:51 |
| citronized | but i have my grandfather '78 GS :) | 11:52 |
| citronized | for now, it's far enough for me ;) | 11:52 |
| citronized | i have a xantia too, but that's for everyday | 11:54 |
| citronized | well, i'm gonna stop pissing u off with my cars stories :) | 11:54 |
| BartJol | ah, well, I've gotta work too | 11:55 |
| citronized | ;) | 11:55 |
| citronized | maybe i see u later around ;) | 11:55 |
| BartJol | probably | 11:55 |
| BartJol | :) | 11:55 |
| citronized | good work then :) | 11:55 |
| BartJol | thanks, later | 11:55 |
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| citronized | hi again :) | 13:49 |
| citronized | is "Thingy" already available in beta ? | 13:50 |
| BartJol | yeah | 14:02 |
| BartJol | but it not yet fully done | 14:02 |
| BartJol | s/it/it is/ | 14:03 |
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| citronized | u mean some functions aren't available ? | 15:02 |
| BartJol | well I thought that the feature set isn't completed yet, but those that are should work | 15:03 |
| citronized | how ca i get this beta ? | 15:04 |
| BartJol | download it! :) | 15:04 |
| citronized | i haven't found any links, that's why i ask :) | 15:05 |
| BartJol | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=45293&release_id=591330 | 15:05 |
| BartJol | that is the location of the latest beta | 15:05 |
| BartJol | 7.5.10 | 15:05 |
| BartJol | but read the gotcha file after unpacking | 15:06 |
| citronized | oh, ok, it's included in the webgui package :) | 15:07 |
| BartJol | yeah, probably in /data/WebGUI/docs | 15:07 |
| citronized | i though it was a PI or something like that :) | 15:07 |
| BartJol | no the api can be found via the wiki | 15:08 |
| BartJol | also very usefull | 15:08 |
| BartJol | if you start to write your own code | 15:08 |
| BartJol | but the gotcha contains some info on important changes that are sometimes not completely compatible | 15:13 |
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| citronized | do you think it's possible to install this beta side to side with the stable version ? | 15:19 |
| citronized | or do i have to trash my stable version ? | 15:20 |
| BartJol | I think it is possible, but.... | 15:20 |
| BartJol | you need to setup another directory tree | 15:20 |
| BartJol | and maybe there are some defaults | 15:21 |
| BartJol | that think that the directory is /data/WebGUI | 15:21 |
| BartJol | so that might take some time to configure | 15:21 |
| BartJol | and it should have another ip address | 15:22 |
| BartJol | such stuff | 15:22 |
| citronized | erf..ok I see :) | 15:22 |
| BartJol | you don't make live easier for yourself | 15:23 |
| BartJol | :) | 15:23 |
| citronized | i'll wait for the stable version then :) | 15:23 |
| BartJol | but for older versions without the wre we have that | 15:23 |
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| BartJol | probably when 7.5 gets stable, there also will be an upgrade path from 7.4 | 15:24 |
| citronized | which version is included in the WRE 0.8.3 package ? | 15:25 |
| BartJol | so then there shouldn't be to many problems | 15:26 |
| BartJol | none | 15:26 |
| BartJol | but when you install WebGUI, it will take the latest stable (in this case 7.4.35) version | 15:26 |
| citronized | ok, i've seen that it has dowloaded this stuff during install :) | 15:27 |
| citronized | are upgrades easy once you've installed webgui ? | 15:27 |
| BartJol | normally yes | 15:28 |
| citronized | easy as is the installation or as two clicks on buttons ? :D | 15:28 |
| BartJol | if you have many custom extra's (like in the code) that can cause trouble | 15:28 |
| BartJol | eeh | 15:29 |
| BartJol | well you should run the /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl script | 15:29 |
| citronized | seems fine to me :) | 15:30 |
| BartJol | but there are also some upgrade instructions on the site | 15:30 |
| BartJol | I would advise to read those :) | 15:30 |
| citronized | ;) | 15:30 |
| BartJol | I didn't do that very often with success | 15:31 |
| BartJol | and I broke my test installation | 15:31 |
| BartJol | so | 15:31 |
| BartJol | still some stuff with the new JSON version | 15:32 |
| citronized | i'm gonna try my SQL Form asset to work, this way, i won't bother u anymore with upgrades and stuff :) | 15:32 |
| BartJol | well, glad to be some help | 15:33 |
| citronized | ty for ur help anyway | 15:33 |
| citronized | it's always great to be more then one in front of an issue ;) | 15:34 |
| BartJol | have fun | 15:34 |
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| BartJol | morning | 15:41 |
| citronized | morning :) | 15:41 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | anyone seen the use.perl article on how fresh cpan is? http://use.perl.org/~LaPerla/journal/36320 | 16:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | that is pretty cool. | 16:18 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:24 |
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| @rizenisaway | MrHairgrease: in iTransact processing do you ever set a "total" amount? | 17:12 |
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| @rizen | i'm trying to figure out where to place in-shop credit into this module. | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me check that | 17:13 |
| @rizen | for example, let's say i have a transaction for $20 and i have a $10 credit in the shop. i should be able to make the credit card fee only $10 then instead of the full $20 | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I I recall correctly you pass the per item price/qty to itransact | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll have to check it in their docs | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | gimme a minute | 17:16 |
| @rizen | if that's true, how do you pass in things like tax, shipping, etc | 17:17 |
| @rizen | do you just add extra line items? | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you want those seperate, they'll have to be passed as separate items | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | afaik, itransact does not have a seperate tax field | 17:23 |
| @rizen | so is the itransact module not accounting for shipping and tax costs right now? | 17:23 |
| @rizen | if not, i'll add it while i'm in here adding the other stuff | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me check | 17:23 |
| @rizen | it doesn't look like it to me | 17:23 |
| @rizen | that's why i'm asking | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 17:24 |
| @rizen | if you don't know, then it probably isn't | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | It doesn't as far as i can see | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought the getPrice thing calculated the price including tax | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that isn't | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | hnce the confusion | 17:25 |
| @rizen | ok thanks | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, now i'm sure | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | it doesn't do it | 17:27 |
| @rizen | alright, i'll add those in too then | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can add it too | 17:27 |
| @rizen | i'm working on it right now anyway | 17:28 |
| @rizen | for that credit stuff | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, just add them as seperate items | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | question about the subscriptions | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | it used to be possible to have one subscription code referring to two subscriptions | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | but we agreed that that will not be the case anymore in the new system | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ie. a one-to-one relationship between code<->susbscription | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you want to happen if there are codes that have multiple subscriptions attached? | 17:30 |
| @rizen | existing codes? | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:31 |
| @rizen | my guess is that there aren't any because you said the user interface doesn't allow for it, only the api did | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | aparently I was wrong on that | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c when i tried to make a batch of codes for testing the migration script | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it was possible | 17:31 |
| @rizen | but if you find any then display a warning in the upgrade output AND log, and then convert them to a new code | 17:31 |
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| @rizen | so if there are two subscriptions in the code | 17:32 |
| @rizen | then the first one can use the code | 17:32 |
| @rizen | and the second one gets a new code | 17:32 |
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| @rizen | and you let people know that in both the upgrade output (print) and in the log | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | how I have done it so far is letting assign one of the subscriptions to the code, thus discarding the other subscriptions for that code | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | creating a new code has about the same effect, since you only really wanna retain codes if you've handed them out already | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in that case, the person that received it doesn't know anymore where to redeem it. | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | since the code redemption is moved into the sku | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | and removed from the displayAccount screen | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | so how does creating new codes help? | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | it only complicates matters | 17:38 |
| @rizen | no it helps | 17:39 |
| @rizen | it helps because the store owner doesn't have to manually create the codes | 17:39 |
| @rizen | he's going to have to send out the codes again sure | 17:40 |
| @rizen | but he doesn't have to manually create it | 17:40 |
| @rizen | so give him the codes and the urls | 17:40 |
| @rizen | then he can send out the emails | 17:40 |
| @rizen | to distribute the new codes to people | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | another funny thing i came across: now that subscriptions are assets people without admin privs can add them. | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | So what happens if some evil content manager adds a subscriuption to the admin group and redeems a code for himself? | 17:42 |
| @rizen | set the canAdd value of it to '3' | 17:43 |
| @rizen | that will stop that problem | 17:43 |
| @rizen | and if someone wants to override it, they can do so in their config | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:44 |
| @rizen | good thinking though | 17:44 |
| @rizen | i didn't even consider that | 17:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok, one final question: subscription codes are in batches which belong to subscritions | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | so now each code has a batchId | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | and each batchId has a subscriptionId | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | would it be a bad thing to add a subscriptionId to each code too? | 17:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it is a form of data duplication so I left it out | 17:51 |
| @rizen | i'll leave it to your judgement | 18:14 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more collateral conversion. Collateral data does not need to be removed from extra tables in purge method | 18:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: collateral data does not need to be manually duplicated | 18:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | json collateral in the asset table has lots of advantages | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no need for manual duplication or purging | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | versioning | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | prototyping | 18:36 |
| @rizen | i know | 18:37 |
| @rizen | hence my blog entry | 18:37 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:37 |
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| webmaster | where does the Sybase.pm file need to be and installed | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | webmaster, do you mean DBD::Sybase? | 18:40 |
| webmaster | yes | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you using the WRE? | 18:41 |
| webmaster | yes | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | get a root session | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | source the setEnvironment script | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -MCPAN -e 'install DBD::Sybase' | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | restart apache | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | configure a database link to your sybase db | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | then use it | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | note that you can't use it for the default webgui database | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | only for external db queries | 18:42 |
| webmaster | i did that and i even can run a perl script to spit out my server name which is a SQL server. I create a database link in WebGUI and this is what i get | 18:43 |
| webmaster | 2008/05/02 03:06:25 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate DBD/Sybase.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/p | 18:43 |
| webmaster | Perhaps the DBD::Sybase perl module hasn't been fully installed, | 18:43 |
| webmaster | or perhaps the capitalisation of 'Sybase' isn't right. | 18:43 |
| webmaster | Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Gofer, Proxy, Sponge, mysql. | 18:43 |
| webmaster | so we moved the pm file so webgui could see it | 18:43 |
| webmaster | got this | 18:43 |
| webmaster | 2008/05/02 10:35:07 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: Undefined subroutine &DBD::Sybase::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm line 94. | 18:43 |
| webmaster | gave it execute permissions and got his | 18:43 |
| webmaster | 2008/05/02 10:38:05 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::Sybase in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/ | 18:44 |
| webmaster | Compilation failed in require at (eval 1695) line 3. | 18:44 |
| webmaster | Perhaps a module that DBD::Sybase requires hasn't been fully installed | 18:44 |
| webmaster | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 322 | 18:44 |
| @rizen | are you sure you installed it into the right perl | 18:44 |
| @rizen | my guess is that you installed it into your local perl rather than the wre | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | try a locate Sybase.pm | 18:45 |
| webmaster | locate Sybase.pm | 18:45 |
| webmaster | locate Sybase.pm | 18:46 |
| webmaster | "/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
| webmaster | "/data/WebGUI/lib/DBIx/DBDescribe/DBD/Sybase.pm | 18:47 |
| webmaster | "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/Bundle/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
| webmaster | "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
| webmaster | we manually put it into the 2 wre folders | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | if you manually put it there, you probably didn't install everything that it needed | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | use CPAN to install the whole thing into the WRE's perl | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | just like the instructions that I gave you earlier | 18:48 |
| webmaster | is there a certain folder i need to be in when i run the command | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | just be sure that you're using the WRE's perl | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which perl | 18:49 |
| webmaster | the "into the WRE's perl" is the part I am not clear on. | 18:49 |
| webmaster | how do i know i am using WRE perl | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | type perl | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | "type perl" | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | or, "which perl" | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | if it doesn't say /data/WRE.....perl, you're not using the right one | 18:50 |
| webmaster | "/user/bin/perl" | 18:50 |
| webmaster | so how do i stop it and use wre | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ". /data/WRE/sbin/setEnvironment" | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the setEnvironment script will alter your path environment variable so that WRE binaries are found first, rather than system binaries | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | webmaster, is that working for you? | 18:55 |
| webmaster | Running make test | 18:57 |
| webmaster | Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test | 18:57 |
| webmaster | Running make install | 18:57 |
| webmaster | Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I know you want this C2 stuff done, but sending a virus to keep me home from work was a little over the top. | 19:01 |
| @rizen | damn it, i told xander to just send over a mild bacterial infection | 19:03 |
| @rizen | xander being my evil bio-warfare henchman of course | 19:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6314 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: update the SQL query for related Products to consider revisionDate | 19:08 |
| webmaster | when i run the console and try to restart apache i get this Please contact me at: | 19:14 |
| webmaster | http://bellatrix.d214.org:60834/ | 19:14 |
| webmaster | Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 149 | 19:14 |
| webmaster | Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 112 | 19:14 |
| webmaster | (13)Permission denied: httpd: could not open error log file /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: in the Product, for benefits, specifications and features, it gives you a combo box of items from other products. | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | this was pretty easily done with SQL | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but with JSON, not so | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | should I grab the JSON with a SQL, and make the data, or instance the assets one by one to grab their JSON | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the second is better, but should be slower due to instancing the assets | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and for large sites (100,000 products) it won't be fun at all | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, it might be bad for either method | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | now that we have prototypes, would it be okay to remove that feature from the product? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | (drop down of data from other products)? | 19:16 |
| @rizen | what does json have to do with it | 19:17 |
| @rizen | we're linking to other products | 19:17 |
| @rizen | not to variants | 19:17 |
| @rizen | oh nevermind | 19:17 |
| @rizen | i see what you're saying | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I was converting _all_ the product collateral to JSON | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | accessories, related products, specifications, benefits and features | 19:17 |
| @rizen | just go with a text box rather than a combo | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:17 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: product collateral to JSON? I got the smack downt he other day for thinking about doing that. | 19:32 |
| @preaction_ | probably because i was doing the smacking | 19:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I thought it was rizen who said not to do that? Was it you preaction_? | 19:33 |
| @preaction_ | it was most likely me, as i oppose it out of principle | 19:34 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: i may have, but it would depend upon what you were doing | 19:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | april 28th 11:30-ish. | 19:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I was thinking about moving all the attributes of questions, sections, and answers into a single JSON blob. | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: this is also a result of rizen's WebGUI version 8 post | 19:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: you talked me out of it in case the fields needed to be queried on. | 19:36 |
| @rizen | no that's not what you were asking me at the time | 19:36 |
| webmaster | does it matter where my httpd.conf file is located | 19:36 |
| @rizen | you wanted to create an asset blob to store all your asset properties in | 19:36 |
| @rizen | you weren't talking about questions at that time, but rather switches for the asset itself | 19:37 |
| @rizen | or at least that's what i understood you to be asking about | 19:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I can see where the confusion came from, but I meant options on questions and sections, not on the asset itself. | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but collaterial. | 19:38 |
| +perlmonkey2 | collateral, even :P | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I have some fairly robust code (and tested) if you end up going that way :) | 19:39 |
| webmaster | i get this message on the service tab of the console: WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024. | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | webmaster, are you logged in as root on that machine? | 19:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I've used TEXT to store JSON for a long time, but is some trick you've learned tha tmight be worth shraing? | 19:40 |
| webmaster | he was when he did the install | 19:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | sharing even ? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just the collateral access methods | 19:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I encapsulated the JSON entirely | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so that from the asset, all you deal with are perl data structures | 19:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ahah, that sounds pretty handy. | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | check out Asset/Sku/Product.pm in the 7.5 branch | 19:41 |
| webmaster | what permissions does webgui need | 19:42 |
| webmaster | the services folder is owned by root | 19:42 |
| webmaster | wre-apache is owned by webgui | 19:42 |
| webmaster | so are the other files in the redhat folder | 19:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: 7.5.10 doesn't have an Sku | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | in SVN it does :) | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | does that look better, perlmonkey2? | 20:06 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I was looking at 7.5.10beta in svn and wasn't seen it. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | not the release version, the main branch | 20:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, I got confused about it being a specific 7.5, but duh, why wouldn' it be in the main branch. | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, I could have been more specific | 20:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the collateral methods are getCollateral, setCollateral, deleteCollateral and moveCollateral{Up,Down} | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | also, getAllCollateral and getIndexedCollateralData | 20:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh man, that all needs to be moved into a higher order object so everyone can share in the fun. | 20:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | good stuff. | 20:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | moveCollateralDown? What is that for? | 20:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I mean I know what it does, but why would you need it. | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | collateral has a sequence | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can reorder it | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | i.e. first question, next question, and so on | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so moveUp and moveDown lets you change the order | 20:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | so your entire collateral table is a single JSON column? | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, each asset stores its own collateral data | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in a column | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes cross asset queries impossible | 20:13 |
| @rizen | it certainly has that one downside | 20:17 |
| @rizen | but it also has the upside of better compatibility with duplicate, purge, versioning, prototypes, packages, and anything else we add in the future, like web services | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | (two more collateral methods to go, benefits and features) | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, I'll be ready to try and convert the Commerce products over to Sku products | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen, I also think that the asset level collateral methods (moveMeUp, moveMeDown, deleteMe, etc.) could all be autogenerated. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. | 20:24 |
| @rizen | i'm certain that's true | 20:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6315 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert specification collateral to JSON | 20:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so each row of a json collateral object is actually N rows of that callateral object? | 20:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ie, and array? | 20:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | an | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | each asset has an json property, that holds JSON which is an array of hashrefs | 20:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | no worries about scaling? | 20:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | if the arrays get rather large? | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | how big is a MySQL mediumtext? | 20:38 |
| @preaction_ | 250,000 chars i think | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | let's say that any given JSON hashref is 500 chars | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that would let the array have about 500 entries | 20:39 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot math 2 ** 24 | 20:39 |
| perlbot | 16777216 | 20:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | That's not what I mean. As a for instance, if I did this with the survey system, to grab a specific set of sections questions and answers, I would have to grab all of them for the survey, then search for just the ones I needed. | 20:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | every time a page was generated. | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, versus asking MySQL to do the same task for you | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess it's a race for who is quicker | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | perl with data, or MySQL with rows and queries | 20:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I can't make a perfectly indexed table respond faster than 20ms with MySQL. I think that is the minimum overhead to a call on a fast instance. | 20:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But I've worked with gigabyte hash's, referenced with URI's, and was not able to measure individual lookups as they all fell within the margin of error of 0. | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | gigabyte hashes, in memory? | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 20:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So what I'm saying, is I think your idea has much merit and scalability :) | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Honestly, I just did what rizen said to do ;) | 20:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Then replace "your idea" with "rizen's idea" :P | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | oy, did I say it was my idea? | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's bad. | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Sincere apologies, rizen. | 20:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I just assumed that, I don't think you said it? | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: add easier search indexing to the list of benefits | 20:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: What about when your asset row contains more data than your physical memory? | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean ram and swap? | 20:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | on a 512MB machine, there is ually only 150MB or so free after a wG + OS. | 20:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yes | 20:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | (my example of the survey) could easily have 150MB rows. | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 20:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to think of a way to break rows into chunks, but nothing comes to mind that is better than just using the DB. | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you'd hit the 250,000 character limit way before you hit 150 MB of memory | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's still a good question | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe answers needs to remain a table | 20:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 250K char limit? | 20:54 |
| +perlmonkey2 | is that a JSON limit? | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the size of the mediumtext field | 20:54 |
| @preaction_ | no, it's not 250k, its 2^24 | 20:54 |
| @preaction_ | 16 million | 20:55 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 16million bits is how many variable length chars :P | 20:55 |
| @preaction_ | 16 million bytes, sure | 20:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, not bit but bytes | 20:56 |
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| PatMcGroin | Anybody home? | 21:07 |
| @preaction_ | in a manner of speaking | 21:08 |
| PatMcGroin | Heh- looking for help with an install problem... | 21:08 |
| PatMcGroin | getting an errmsg: | 21:09 |
| PatMcGroin | -su: ./wreconsole.pl: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 21:09 |
| PatMcGroin | Yet: | 21:09 |
| PatMcGroin | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:09 |
| PatMcGroin | perl interpreter exists and seems properly permissioned.... | 21:10 |
| @preaction_ | i would ask your distro, since that's your shell complaining | 21:10 |
| @preaction_ | alternatively, run the perl file using the perl interpreter directly | 21:10 |
| PatMcGroin | Brand new install of Deb/Apache, no alias or other bleh. | 21:11 |
| PatMcGroin | Can point it at the "real" perl, I guess... | 21:12 |
| @preaction_ | that would be a bad idea | 21:12 |
| @preaction_ | if your definition of "real" is "distro-supplied" | 21:12 |
| PatMcGroin | Well, apt-get (plus modules) | 21:13 |
| +perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -v | 21:16 |
| PatMcGroin | Hmmmm, | 21:16 |
| PatMcGroin | -su: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: No such file or directory | 21:16 |
| +perlmonkey2 | therein lies a hint. | 21:17 |
| PatMcGroin | right, but: | 21:18 |
| PatMcGroin | ls -al /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:18 |
| PatMcGroin | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:18 |
| @apeiron | Corrupt FS perhaps? | 21:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6316 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert feature collateral to JSON | 21:19 |
| @apeiron | That's the only thing I can think of. | 21:19 |
| PatMcGroin | Very strange... | 21:19 |
| PatMcGroin | Brand new install.... | 21:19 |
| @apeiron | I'd fsck it to be sure. | 21:19 |
| PatMcGroin | clean. | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | PatMcGroin: Can you cd to /data/wre/prereqs/bin ? | 21:20 |
| PatMcGroin | Yep. | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | ./perl -v | 21:21 |
| PatMcGroin | opteval:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./perl -v | 21:21 |
| PatMcGroin | bash: ./perl: No such file or directory | 21:22 |
| PatMcGroin | Weird. | 21:22 |
| PatMcGroin | But ls -al shows all files.... | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | head -1 perl | 21:22 |
| @apeiron | It really seems like a filesystem issue to me. | 21:22 |
| @apeiron | If you can, remount the FS. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron: I sincerely hope it's the FS, or the hardware or the kernel | 21:23 |
| PatMcGroin | head reveals the standard source "space garbage" | 21:23 |
| PatMcGroin | Fresh install (slicehost) of Debian/Etch. All else seems OK, but I (personally) didn't install the image, so there's room for doubt. | 21:24 |
| PatMcGroin | Gonna re-mount, BRB | 21:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: selinux? permissions? | 21:27 |
| PatMcGroin | Perms are 755 in the whole tree | 21:29 |
| PatMcGroin | setenvironmantal runs fine | 21:29 |
| PatMcGroin | echo $PATH: | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not a path problem | 21:29 |
| PatMcGroin | Agree- path seems normal... | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not a permission problem | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you said earlier they were 755 | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can't ./perl -v, then something system level is bad | 21:30 |
| PatMcGroin | Was wondering about selinux, will try running it in a different locn. | 21:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: setenforce 0 | 21:33 |
| PatMcGroin | is there anything else I need to change (outside of setenvironmentals) to run from and alternate sub-directory? | 21:35 |
| PatMcGroin | Nope. | 21:40 |
| PatMcGroin | Gotta be something stupid and obvious that I'm just not seeing. No alias= (hell, no .bash anything) | 21:41 |
| @preaction_ | i thought debian used dash by default now | 21:41 |
| @apeiron | dash? | 21:41 |
| @apeiron | Ah, derivative of ash. | 21:42 |
| PatMcGroin | Stranger still, I can autocomplete the whole path... | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | check the permissions for the whole path, starting with /data | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and make sure it isn't mounted with any funny restrictions | 21:46 |
| PatMcGroin | 755s all the way down | 21:48 |
| PatMcGroin | mount table looks ok too. | 21:48 |
| PatMcGroin | Possibly corrupt tarball? | 21:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: can you open the binary? | 21:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | to read? | 21:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | can you perform fs operations on it? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | he was able to head the file | 21:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh | 21:52 |
| +perlmonkey2 | is it the correct binary for his OS? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | does anyone have a debian/etch WRE that could be used to generate a cksum? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ooh, good call perlmonkey2 | 21:52 |
| PatMcGroin | Hmmmmm.... | 21:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | wait a second, here | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | bopbop, kristi: which one of you is really Mrs. McCombs? | 21:55 |
| kristi | bopbop is Mrs. McCombs | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | then who are you? | 21:56 |
| kristi | ?- well, I'm Mrs. McCombs too- got kicked out of chat room and signed back in as kristi | 21:56 |
| PatMcGroin | So..... If I need webGUI for a 64-bit OS.....? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we'd better just verify that... | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | What movie did you kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC? | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | What movie did your kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC? | 21:57 |
| PatMcGroin | x86_64 GNU/Linux | 21:57 |
| kristi | me? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | you, kristi | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | alledgedly | 21:57 |
| kristi | I think it was Camelot | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | ha! | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | It was "Shek Too" | 21:58 |
| kristi | oh yeah- Camelot was too scary | 21:58 |
| kristi | SHEK TOO!!!! | 21:59 |
| dionak | does anyone use Apache::Reload in WebGUI? | 22:00 |
| dionak | sounds like it might make dev easier | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: I think that when the WRE is set up for devs that it is turned on for you. | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, kristi, I'm convinced that it's you. | 22:01 |
| kristi | whew | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | There was some guy trying to impersonate rizen the other day | 22:01 |
| dionak | how do i switch it to dev? | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but he gave himself away when he complained about his long curly hair. | 22:02 |
| kristi | nice- that's like me complaining about being too tall | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers | 22:02 |
| kristi | head is constantly hitting the ceiling... | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: I don't know if you can switch an existing instance. | 22:03 |
| PatMcGroin | So no 64-bit install for WebGUI? | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | kristi: and anyone with poor grammar and spelling would be a dead giveaway | 22:04 |
| dionak | ok, thanks for the info. maybe i can just read up in the build.sh | 22:04 |
| kristi | eye don no wutchu meen | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | PatMcGroin: If there's no existing 64bit WRE, you can compile one | 22:06 |
| PatMcGroin | Right, but the problem appears to be the 32-bit executable components in /prereq/ | 22:07 |
| PatMcGroin | Not WRE per se. | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that _is_ the WRE | 22:08 |
| @rizen | kristi is funny | 22:09 |
| kristi | looking | 22:09 |
| PatMcGroin | Downloading source now. | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the WRE is the WebGUI perl modules and the binaries needed to run it, perl, apache, mysql and so on | 22:09 |
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| @kristi | woohoo! I'm finally red :) | 22:09 |
| * perlDreamer salutes | 22:10 | |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, ma'am! | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Writing documentation right away | 22:10 |
| dionak | hm, i don't see Apache::Reload in the wrebuild | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | The wiki says Apache2::Reload, but that may be a typo | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | or the page could be out of date | 22:11 |
| dionak | i did a grep for reload and Reload | 22:11 |
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| dionak | oh wait. i see it in the modules... | 22:12 |
| @rizen | dionak: apache2 reload was acciddentally removed from the wre somewhere along the way | 22:12 |
| @rizen | i have to remember to put it back in in 0.8.4 | 22:12 |
| @rizen | i mean, removed from the config file | 22:12 |
| @rizen | not the modules | 22:12 |
| dionak | ok, that would explain seeing it in the modules but not the build | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: there are several (4) Product templates. To export them all as 1 package, can I make a new folder and move the templates in there? | 22:26 |
| @rizen | i think that walmart is trying to kill me | 22:26 |
| @rizen | sure pd | 22:26 |
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| dionak | i'm setting up a custom lib in /data/site/clientname/lib. I edited preload.custom with the path, double checked it but the macro isn't showing up. could it be permissions? | 22:55 |
| dionak | it's world readable | 22:56 |
| dionak | no errors in the logs | 22:56 |
| dionak | any ideas? | 22:56 |
| dionak | i got apache2:reload working btw... | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | did you also add the macro to your config file | 23:07 |
| dionak | yes. | 23:07 |
| dionak | i also double checked my paths | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: topsub reported a similar problem a couple of weeks ago | 23:08 |
| dionak | yea, i don't think it was resolved. same server | 23:08 |
| dionak | let me test a working wg macro from this dir to see if it is indeed a path issue | 23:08 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6317 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 6 dirs): | 23:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: zero dollar transactions | 23:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: in-shop credit applies to orders | 23:17 |
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| Sunmaster_14 | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/http-proxy-urls-mess-up-checkboxes I posted this bug 5 days ago. Can someone take a look at it? | 23:19 |
| BartJol | sorry Sunmaster_14, i read it, but am afraid I can't help you in any constructive way | 23:21 |
| Sunmaster_14 | BartJol, ok, thanks for looking :) | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Sunmaster_14: A lot of us are busy writing the new commerce system. | 23:22 |
| Sunmaster_14 | perlDreamer, ok. I mean, I'm not trying to say "Hey everyone, drop what you're doing and look at this." Just wanted to know if anyone has had a chance to yet | 23:23 |
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| Sunmaster_14 | hola, cap10morgan | 23:28 |
| cap10morgan | hey | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, did you guys know that you can create more than 1 alias to a macro? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Like, if you wanted to use the International macro, you could make entries for ^International and ^Intl | 23:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: we need to remember to bring up the JSON collateral size limitation with rizen. | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | or make a dev list posting | 00:03 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 16MB ? | 00:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | A large blob is like 2GB | 00:04 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 4GB | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | big | 00:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | is it *really* an issue? instances that make it to 16GB will be rare. So if you design with a mediumtext, then physical ram isn't an issue. | 00:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: | 00:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but if you have to go with a largetext then it might *still* not be an issue as anything handling that much traffic, is probably on some serious hardware. | 00:25 |
| +perlmonkey2 | although, having 4GB of physical ram available is still not very normal. | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's pretty rare | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | look at PB's hosting options | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, who is going to host a 160 MB survey/dataform on one of those? | 00:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm just thinking about results. plus *every* time someone submits and answer or makes a change to the survey, the entire thing is loaded from the DB. If it is large, that just feels ugly. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe answers should continue to be kept separate | 00:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | apeiron, preaction_: I need a bug consult, please | 01:03 |
| @preaction_ | which bug? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I just found it | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | check out lib/WebGUI/Form/Hidden.pm | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | toHtmlAsHidden | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | now, suppose you want to set the value 0 as your hidden value | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | what is $value in that sub? | 01:03 |
| @preaction_ | probably $self->get('value') without any quotes, special characters, or macros | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's '', empty string | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | due to the || '' at the nd | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can't set 0 as the hidden value | 01:05 |
| @preaction_ | it my version it's only the "name" parameter that has that || '' | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | what rev are you at? | 01:06 |
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| @preaction_ | dunno, working on a client project | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.4? | 01:06 |
| @preaction_ | 75 | 01:07 |
| @preaction_ | oh, i see, at the end of my $value | 01:07 |
| @preaction_ | that should probably be changed to a defined check | 01:07 |
| @preaction_ | or would that even be necessary? | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | || is truth | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's necessary if you want to use 0 as a value :) | 01:08 |
| * perlDreamer really wants 5.10 now | 01:08 | |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Yeah, likewise. | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | 0 or the empty string for that matter. | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I can ack in Form, Radio, Checkbox and Hidden are all affected | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | well, empty string would give you the empty string, which is fine | 01:09 |
| @preaction_ | no, i mean checking for defined. what does $string = undef . "something"; equal? | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | something | 01:09 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Empty string would still fail truth testing. | 01:09 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, false | 01:09 |
| perlbot | undef, 0, "", "0" | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes apeiron, but in that case $value = '' || ''; | 01:10 |
| @apeiron | ah, right. | 01:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | hey, the man himself | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think I found a bug in the recent Form changes | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have time, please check out Form/Hidden, ToHtmlAsHidden, and consider if I want to set the value 0 | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a patch that adds checking for 0 to the tests for Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, and a patch that fixes it in Hidden and Checkbox (Radio was okay). | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | If I commit that patch, will I break something else? | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: it's in 7.5.10, the last released beta | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: never mind. It's much older than the recent form fixes. | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it's from rev 4152 | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | very, very old | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll commit the tests and patches | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't edit the first product variant, #0 | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6318 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): | 01:41 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, which wouldn't allow | 01:41 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: a value of zero to be set in them. It was translated to | 01:41 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: the empty string. | 01:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: all the collateral work is done | 02:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Merging in functioning variants. | 02:53 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added variants to the view template. | 02:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Updated all Product templates to display variants and controls. | 02:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): Help for the variant template variables in the Product template. | 02:53 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: customize some Sku methods for Product | 03:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6322 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: It's okay to delete the Product Wobject now. | 03:40 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you keep saying that responses should be kept seperate.....I think you are on to something :P | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's just the virus talking | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | my short term memory is questionable | 04:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: because do you know how attractive it is for to me to think of getting a request, grabbing the entire survey from a few JSON columns, and then not having to do anymore queries? That is just too sexy. | 04:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | could even make everything JSON enabled classes. | 04:03 |
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| * perlDreamer shudders at an all JSON asset | 04:13 | |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, I just mean the collateral would be objects that know how to turn themselves into/from JSON. | 04:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but that paradigm kind of breaks the All-In-A-Single-Object that appears to be used currently. | 04:15 |
| +perlmonkey2 | not that I'm saying that is wrong, as wG is obviously a nice piece of softwar.e | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, well in that case (and since I just wrote one that way), that's okay | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, maybe I can get MrHairgrease to tutor in me in advanced WebGUI::Product usage tomorrow. | 04:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm thinking it might be a good time to buy some Yahoo stock. | 04:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | They were devalued by a scary statemt. | 04:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | surely they weren't just that overvalued before the scary statement. | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I think they were pumped up by the chance of being purchased. | 04:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and have probably returned to a normal level | 04:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, yeah. Looks like Feb 08 is when the offer first surface.d | 04:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | now they are back to slightly over what they were. | 04:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | What Balmer can giveth, Balmer can taketh away. | 04:23 |
| @apeiron | I was reading about that on some business site or another and the finance folk are talking about it with complete disregard for anything but moneymaking opportunities: nothing along the lines of personal integrity or what the purchase would actually do to the tech world. | 04:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | it would change the internet quite a bit. MS would have a lot more clout to spread their poison online. | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I heard that a prominent open source developer is incensed at MS's actions. | 04:26 |
| @apeiron | This is news? | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | sure :) | 04:26 |
| +perlDreamer | i'm gonna take a break for a while | 04:27 |
| @apeiron | Have fun, then. | 04:28 |
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| patspam | has anyone successfully played with Survey 2.0? I've installed the WebGUI_Survey2 branch but am getting "Unknown column 'exitURL' in 'field list' when trying to add a Survey object | 07:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | man.. if you posted that like half an hour earlier you might've got a response from perlmonkey2 (who is the one working on Survey 2.0) | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | he's honestly the best one to talk to if you have issues with Survey 2.0 at this stage | 07:39 |
| patspam | ah bugger. ok, I'll send a note out to the dev list asking if it's usable yet | 07:44 |
| patspam | or is there a spec/overview document floating around? I just want to check out what the planned features | 07:45 |
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| virgomoon | I'm getting the following error in my http-error log .. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'userProfileData.fieldData' in 'field list' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." .. I checked that userProfileData table and 'fieldData' isn't there .. does that sound familiar to anyone? | 16:16 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:36 |
| virgomoon | morning | 16:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | what's new today? | 17:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer where are you? slacker. | 17:12 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So I've never seen this in a wobject, but is there any harm in building insideout objects in a module? Just little mini packages to abstract some data away? | 17:13 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: Would you have a problem with me adding some helper classes to the bottom of Survey.pm? I want to move sections,questions,answers into JSON columns in the survey table, but want some nice clean code to wrap the handling of that data in. | 17:47 |
| @rizen | go for it | 17:49 |
| @rizen | clean code is good | 17:49 |
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| +snapcount | anyone know of a cpan module or built-in that is similar to the frequency function in excel? | 17:58 |
| +snapcount | i.e., for generating histograms | 17:58 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: A Mixin wouldn't be a better solution? | 18:01 |
| @rizen | pm2 are you arguing against yourself? | 18:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh, yes | 18:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I do that all the time. | 18:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | If I'm spending any serious amount of money, I will debate myself forever. | 18:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm surprised I am able to ever decide anything. | 18:03 |
| @rizen | just get it done already | 18:04 |
| @rizen | how is that for motivation? | 18:04 |
| +snapcount | ahh found it... nm | 18:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: V1 is supposed to go into a real beta today. I'm in the process of moving it to the production test machines. | 18:05 |
| +perlmonkey2 | it is getting there, even if I have to take a cattle prod to these guys, they will decide upon a feature set and stop whining. | 18:06 |
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| doc7777 | Hello friends. I have a quick theme question that has me stumped. Using the DCarter80 theme the author says to "User can easily shift color (including the logo) by linking the style template to different .css color files.". How do you do this very thing? | 18:10 |
| doc7777 | I usually use linux so my mind snaps to a symlink but being we are talking about a webgui theme I am clueless. :-) | 18:11 |
| BartJol | in the template you refer to your css file\ | 18:12 |
| BartJol | in the head section | 18:12 |
| BartJol | just find the url of the desired colorscheme css and replace the current colorscheme css | 18:13 |
| BartJol | it is possible there is more than one, so be a bit carefull | 18:13 |
| doc7777 | I cannot seem to edit the template. It goes to a failsafe page and when you click edit it just refreshes the page. Maybe I am in the wrong place... | 18:14 |
| +perlmonkey2 | doc7777: You'll probably have to create your own css file as a snippet. Then link to that. | 18:14 |
| BartJol | a, was a step further, thought that the snippets were qalready there :) | 18:15 |
| doc7777 | It has a "style" then "green, blue , orange.css" snippets. They say to link the style to the .css. That is where I am clueless ;) | 18:15 |
| BartJol | via what exact route are you trying to edit your template? | 18:16 |
| doc7777 | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/theme-dcarter-80#LdAZc7SCyEj8oY62Prcylg is the theme. | 18:16 |
| BartJol | is your template already submitted (the version tag with the template in it, it is?) | 18:17 |
| doc7777 | Yea, and it shows on the site. Its just the theme is green when we want blue ;) the url would be: /dcarter80_style7?func=edit | 18:18 |
| doc7777 | but that just refreshes the page you are looking at. | 18:19 |
| BartJol | mm, having a problem with importing it, probably one of my settingsd | 18:21 |
| BartJol | so | 18:21 |
| BartJol | and if you go to the asset manager, you should see an object called dcarter80_style | 18:22 |
| BartJol | ? | 18:22 |
| doc7777 | Aye I see that | 18:22 |
| BartJol | what type is it? | 18:22 |
| doc7777 | Template | 18:22 |
| BartJol | mmm, and if you press the according edit link? | 18:23 |
| doc7777 | When here I see a nice formated blue and white admin page: /dcarter87?func=manageAssets | 18:23 |
| BartJol | so that's a template you can edit? | 18:24 |
| doc7777 | When I click the edit link beside the _style I get a fail safe page at /dcarter80_style7?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets listing all the dcarter files. | 18:24 |
| +snapcount | holy crap | 18:24 |
| +snapcount | do you guys know if perldreamers cpan id is colink? | 18:25 |
| +snapcount | If it is him then I'm mailing a beer to Oregon | 18:25 |
| doc7777 | Clicking edit again just refreshes that same page. Seems odd. ;) | 18:25 |
| doc7777 | No idea here snap... | 18:25 |
| BartJol | ok so that's a folder with the according css files | 18:26 |
| BartJol | could be colin | 18:26 |
| +snapcount | I think he's the author of Statistics::Descriptive | 18:26 |
| +snapcount | which is a very nice module | 18:26 |
| +snapcount | I just assumed WebGUI was his entire life =D | 18:26 |
| BartJol | but your template, is the one you just had | 18:26 |
| +snapcount | I'll have to ask him later | 18:27 |
| BartJol | probably in the head section there's something like: <link href="^/;dcarter_style7/green.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> | 18:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6323 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Major updates to spec | 18:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6324 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Major updates to spec | 18:27 |
| BartJol | colin is a workaholic, so I assume it's quite possible | 18:28 |
| doc7777 | I have a DCarter folder with all the files in it. When I click edit beside the style it just goes to fail safe and lists the files again. Maybe it cannot parse the template? | 18:28 |
| BartJol | you should use that template for a page, the asset manager pages are just for managing | 18:30 |
| BartJol | and their template is not easily configured | 18:30 |
| doc7777 | hehe, yea I figured as much. I mean when I try and edit the Dcarter80_style it will not. | 18:31 |
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| BartJol | jee , hard to tell what's going wrong, without seeing this | 18:31 |
| BartJol | and I'm afraid I have to go | 18:31 |
| doc7777 | Yea, been working with it about an hour and I need to go to. Thanks! | 18:31 |
| BartJol | well, then we both have to go\ | 18:32 |
| BartJol | that's a relief | 18:32 |
| doc7777 | Till then! waves | 18:32 |
| BartJol | are you back later today? | 18:32 |
| doc7777 | sure | 18:32 |
| BartJol | ok, i will be in 5 or 6 hours | 18:32 |
| doc7777 | bout the same here. Maybe we can resolve it then ;) | 18:32 |
| BartJol | ok, see you latrer | 18:32 |
| doc7777 | Thank you so much for the help | 18:32 |
| doc7777 | ok | 18:32 |
| BartJol | no problem | 18:33 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, I can't figure out why wG is resending static files that have not been altered since their last modified date. I'm looking at teh headers in firebug, and the headers are correct, the files should not be resent. | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Are you sure that it's wG sending them, or the browser requesting them regardless of the header settings? | 19:42 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm looking at the request headers which are including if-modified-since | 19:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | which in the file I'm testing with, is two hours ago. | 19:43 |
| +snapcount | hey perlDreamer - are you the author of Statistics::Descriptive? | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maintainer | 19:44 |
| +snapcount | you rule man | 19:44 |
| +snapcount | I'm using that package and it saved me a ton of work | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | You think so? It's actually one of the more maligned CPAN modules out there. | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Jon Orwant hates it | 19:44 |
| +snapcount | is there something that is supposedly better? | 19:44 |
| +snapcount | I couldn't find anything that would allow you to do frequency distribution with specific bins | 19:45 |
| +snapcount | except your module | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | He says it's just very slow, and not well suited to an OO paradigm | 19:45 |
| +snapcount | well it works great for me =) | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 19:46 |
| +snapcount | now if I could find a module to generate the graph rotated 90 deg =P | 19:46 |
| +snapcount | in text | 19:46 |
| +snapcount | I have a bell curve on it's side lol | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you're working with a valid sample then :) | 19:47 |
| +snapcount | indeed | 19:49 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, For 'hating' it, Mr. Orwant hasn't said a word of such on the module review page. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | No, he just published a book with his comments :) | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and I shouldn't say hate, that's my perception of his evaluation of the module | 20:02 |
| @apeiron | Ah, the Algorithms book? | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: did you ever find the solution to the mystery of unloadable custom macro? | 20:47 |
| dionak | no, i haven't yet. i will return to it in the next couple of days | 20:51 |
| dionak | i'll share what i find | 20:52 |
| dionak | i'm busy doing project design, atm | 20:52 |
| dionak | thanks for asking | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | np. I'm completely stumped, so I'm curious as to what the resolution is. | 20:55 |
| dionak | i am too. it's definitely not path related, i've discovered. right now, i'm inclined to think it's a permission issue | 20:55 |
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| lisette | hello, i need obtain the survey_responseId when the user complete the survey, how to do? | 20:58 |
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| lisette | ? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | lisette, you need to tell us more about what you're trying to do | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want that in a template, or in some code? | 21:04 |
| lisette | wait me | 21:07 |
| lisette | ya lo hice | 21:15 |
| lisette | a query in the table Survey_response | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | by userId? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ordered by endDate. That should do it | 21:16 |
| +perlmonkey2 | What do you do when you ask someone a rhetorical question and they answer it incorrectly? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | laugh politely and explain what they did wrong | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I'm sorry. Toilets don't swirl clockwise in Australia due to magnetic fields working on slight charged water molecules | 21:21 |
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| lisette | orderby endDate | 22:04 |
| lisette | desc | 22:05 |
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| lisette | perlDreamer, the congress that there is going to have to learn how to handle the API WebGUI? or for anything else? | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | lisette, the topics for the conference are all over the place. This year, there are not many sessions about the WebGUI API. | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/schedule | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Building Advanced Workflows, URL and Content Handlers, WebGUI Search are about pieces of the API | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | A lot of the conference is introducing the new WebGUI 7.5 features | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Commerce | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Survey 2.0 | 23:03 |
| lisette | all is in english? | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:03 |
| lisette | ok | 23:03 |
| lisette | which the cost? | 23:03 |
| lisette | which is the cost | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/registration | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | $500 for two days | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | The Hotel where the conference is has discount rates of $124/night, but there's also a hostel down the street. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/hotel-information | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | they'll feed you lunch at the conference each day | 23:05 |
| lisette | The event lasts only 2 days? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | this year, yes | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | last year it was 3 days long | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | people voted to have more classes at the same time, but for fewer days | 23:06 |
| preaction__ | there's the designers session beforehand too | 23:06 |
| preaction__ | well, i think it's a basic tutorial for designers and content managers | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | lisette was asking about coder's talks and stuff | 23:06 |
| lisette | ok, thanks | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Does anyone know if there are still open seats for the conference? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Last year it sold out. | 23:11 |
| lisette | what is mean the combo? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | on the registration form? It means to buy tickets for the workshops (which happen before the conference) and the conference itself. | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | combo = combination | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | combinacion | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | compra boletos para la conferencia y clases addicionales | 23:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, when 7.5 is released, you are going to be a very busy man | 23:15 |
| lisette | what is the different? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: speaking of translation, is the new Survey 2.0 fully i18n'ed and documented in the help system | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | entre las clases y la conferencia? | 23:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: not yet | 23:18 |
| BartJol | oh | 23:18 |
| BartJol | why? | 23:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | we're getting a V1 prelim out, and then I'll take a week to add all the V2 stuff they want and make it ready for WebGUI. | 23:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: there wasn't time. | 23:19 |
| BartJol | so all the versions that didn't come out, stack up? | 23:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ? | 23:19 |
| BartJol | Am I that drunk? | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, new commerce system, new assets | 23:20 |
| BartJol | oooh | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol, there is going to be a huge work released in 7.5.11 | 23:20 |
| BartJol | pinda's | 23:20 |
| BartJol | or peanuts... | 23:21 |
| lisette | bye | 23:23 |
| BartJol | when's that all going to take place? | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | the end of may | 23:23 |
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| BartJol | ah, the second week of june, i'm sailing, so I've gat 1 week then | 23:24 |
| BartJol | that's gonna be fun | 23:26 |
| BartJol | oh, that's my own deadline.. otherwise arabic will catch up :) | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you're so far ahead of them | 23:27 |
| BartJol | only 10 % | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | but they haven't touched the translation for a long time | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | a very long time | 23:28 |
| BartJol | gotta keep my status | 23:28 |
| BartJol | It's the only one I got :) | 23:33 |
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| BartJol | has anybody seen citronized? I promised to help the French connection | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | havent' seen him today | 00:07 |
| BartJol | he was here 6 hours ago and would be back | 00:07 |
| BartJol | (around this tine) | 00:07 |
| BartJol | bu thanks | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2008-05.log | 00:08 |
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| BartJol | ok, this tells myself something about maybe going to sleep, I meant doc7777 | 00:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol: Haven't seen him either | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | You can go to sleep :) | 00:39 |
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| BartJol | ah, well | 00:43 |
| BartJol | then let's be wise, so bye! | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | hail, preaction! | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | what have you been up to? | 01:13 |
| @preaction | HAI! | 01:14 |
| @preaction | fixing approval processes to be more easily pluggable | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | japanese? | 01:14 |
| @preaction | no, i missed the L in HAIL | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql++: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/284926989/article.pl | 01:16 |
| @apeiron | er. They decided to maintain status quo. By that logic, we should all get ++ every second we don't change. :) | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | yeah, mysql-- and sun-- for scaring people like that | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | honestly, I think that's the remarkable part of the affair | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | they announced that they were going to do something bad | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | realized it was bad | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | then changed their minds | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the best would have been not to have done it at all | 01:38 |
| @preaction | realized it was bad is a euphamism for "realized major amounts of money could be lost" | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | good to see that the psychic link is back up :) | 01:40 |
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| dionak | hey, if anyone knows itnomad (jack), let's have a private conversation. | 03:52 |
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| doc777 | Anyone tried the DCarter80 theme that is in the addon section theme. It comes in 3 colors and you are supposed to be able to change it by "linking the style template to different .css color files.". I have spent a few hours trying to figure out how to do this. If I click "edit" on the DCarter80_style it just refreshes the page and does not show an edit page. What am I missing here? | 06:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | doc777: BartJol was here earlier looking for you. | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: contgratulations on your PBWG! | 06:15 |
| doc777 | Thank you, I got in a bit late. Maybe I can catch him in the morning ;) | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure he'll be back after he gets some sleep. | 06:17 |
| doc777 | Is there a way to extract files from a .wgpkg outside of webgui? | 06:41 |
| @preaction | tar xf | 06:44 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure if wgpkg are gzipped or not | 06:44 |
| @preaction | either they're just tarred, or they're tarred and gzipped | 06:44 |
| doc777 | will try that, thanks! | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | file .wgpkg should tell you the format | 06:45 |
| doc777 | Got it extracted. Mostly .json files so not really what I was looking for. ;) | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | all the data is in there, just in JSON format | 06:52 |
| @preaction | it's all the columns from the database | 06:52 |
| doc777 | I have a template file dcarter80_style that will not let me edit it. It has a line in it pointing to the wrong snippet but I cannot get into it to change. Either through webgui or the file system. Also cannot seem to actually just download it, edit, upload like you would do with ftp. | 06:55 |
| doc777 | Was hoping to extract it, edit it, then upload it. But thats in a .json format and not a template so wrong turn there. | 06:56 |
| doc777 | But I did get to look into the file and find the line that needed to be changed. Just no way seeable to change it. | 06:56 |
| @preaction | open that up in a text editor, but if it won't let you edit from the web interface, i doubt it'll let you overwrite using a package | 06:56 |
| @preaction | did you try copying and changing your copy? | 06:57 |
| @preaction | is it locked? does the yellow lock icon show up in the asset manager? | 06:58 |
| doc777 | Hrm, let me give that a shot. When I click "Edit" it simply refreshes the page. | 06:58 |
| @preaction | check the error log? | 06:58 |
| @preaction | with log level set to WARN or higher? | 06:58 |
| doc777 | It is showing "unloacked". I didnt find anything in the webgui log about it. (unsure on how to set the log level to a higher setting) | 06:59 |
| doc777 | er unlocked.... | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | etc/log.conf | 06:59 |
| @preaction | WebGUI/etc/log.conf, look for ERROR, change it to WARN | 06:59 |
| doc777 | Will do... | 07:00 |
| @preaction | you'll have to restart the webserver afterwards, of course | 07:01 |
| doc777 | I find myself doing that a whole lot ;-) | 07:02 |
| doc777 | Aha! Thank you for the log tip. Unable to find object error. I commented out the: "templateParsers" : ["WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTML::Template::Expr"], | 07:07 |
| doc777 | 07:07 | |
| doc777 | and it let me edit. Thank you! | 07:07 |
| @preaction | seems like there are some errors that need to be bumped up in severity | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I suspect that the default log level could be left at warn if all the errors were set appropriately. | 07:13 |
| @preaction | so 404 gets bumped down to info? | 07:14 |
| @preaction | 404 is the one that shows up the most when you put loglevel warn | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | 404? | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a httpd error | 07:14 |
| @preaction | Asset Not Found, then | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | A04 | 07:15 |
| doc777 | The top of this template uses: </tmpl_if> I am guessing that will require the Template::Expr parser or will the default do it? | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | depends on what the other end of the <tmpl_if> look like | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | tmpl_if is supported in both | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the boolean that can be different with Expr | 07:24 |
| doc777 | its a line like: <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> <tmpl_var controls> | 07:26 |
| doc777 | </tmpl_if> | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that will work in regular, old HTML::Template | 07:26 |
| doc777 | Great! Thank you ;) | 07:26 |
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| BartJo1 | grrr some people ar stupid | 16:51 |
| BartJo1 | even more than me, that is | 16:51 |
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| BartJo1 | morning to you Scott | 16:52 |
| SDuensin | Greetings and stuff. | 16:56 |
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| jua1 | i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to ldap? | 17:39 |
| jua1 | excuseme | 17:39 |
| jua1 | can i change it to WebGUI? | 17:39 |
| BartJo1 | dunno | 17:41 |
| Doc777 | I really cant guide you on that (new myself) But I am using webGUI auth and seems fine. | 17:41 |
| BartJo1 | Doc777 already some succes with your greenbluered template] | 17:43 |
| BartJo1 | ? | 17:43 |
| Doc777 | Anyone know what makes a theme look fine when admin is on but when off the site shows failsafe? No version tag to commit. | 17:43 |
| Doc777 | Ah yes, Bart. Last night I saw someone mention setting logging to WARN so I did that and found in the log file there was an error about Template::Expr. I commented that line out and restarted apache and it let me edit it now ;) | 17:44 |
| BartJo1 | are you sure it is the same url | 17:45 |
| Doc777 | Well it is the main url to the site. I tried clearing the cache, cleared browser cache. When logged in as Admin the template looks good. When Admin is off it is non existent and failsafe. | 17:46 |
| BartJo1 | maybe the security settings for the template are not good | 17:47 |
| Doc777 | Looked over them and they are set to Everyone view. Maybe I should reset them again for good measure. | 17:47 |
| BartJo1 | so the page and style layout are both visible for everyone? | 17:48 |
| Doc777 | Yea, who can view is set to everyone on both. | 17:49 |
| BartJo1 | well, that's one thing that is correct :) | 17:50 |
| Doc777 | Hehe, yes it is | 17:50 |
| BartJo1 | mmm, then it becomes harder to tell, thinking... | 17:51 |
| BartJo1 | I am deep thought :) | 17:52 |
| Doc777 | It's ok, it has become a quest. Restarting random things at the moment ;) | 17:53 |
| BartJo1 | just give me admin rights, so I can look :) | 17:54 |
| BartJo1 | maybe it's a function you're calling | 17:55 |
| BartJo1 | what's the template for the user function style in the settings? | 17:55 |
| Doc777 | Not sure I follow you. Let me find that ;) | 17:56 |
| BartJo1 | eeeh, it's in the settings, not sure which tab | 17:56 |
| Doc777 | If the site was actually on the web I would but it is on our LAN until complete ;-) | 17:57 |
| BartJo1 | it's in the tab UI | 17:57 |
| Doc777 | Well I set it to the same as the site but nothing seemed to change. | 17:59 |
| BartJo1 | too bad... want more power!! | 17:59 |
| BartJo1 | mmm | 18:00 |
| Doc777 | I am sure it would help ;) | 18:00 |
| BartJo1 | so the next thing I can think of is a strange thing in the template, which is opened in the things that are visible for admin | 18:01 |
| BartJo1 | but that would be strange | 18:01 |
| Doc777 | Possibly | 18:01 |
| BartJo1 | yeah, well | 18:02 |
| BartJo1 | that's about it, for what I can think of... | 18:03 |
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| Doc777 | That seems to be the case. I changed to another template and it worked fine. I changed back to this one and if admin is on it is fine but users see fail safe. So that has to be it. You are a genious! | 18:04 |
| Doc777 | ;) | 18:04 |
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| BartJo1 | jee, that's something new for me | 18:06 |
| BartJo1 | well then fix your template.. | 18:06 |
| Doc777 | It was downloaded from the add on section but I am guessing that has to be the issue as that is the symptoms. | 18:07 |
| dionak | which one did you download? | 18:09 |
| Doc777 | Theme: Dcarter 80 | 18:09 |
| BartJo1 | but I think they have all clean url's | 18:10 |
| BartJo1 | where are they? | 18:10 |
| BartJo1 | mm that looks good, in my import | 18:11 |
| BartJo1 | i have no problems | 18:12 |
| BartJo1 | http://webgui.bartjol.nl/home | 18:12 |
| Doc777 | Maybe this is an issue: In the asset tree you have ROOT > HOME | I have a folder called ROOT > STUFF and the template is in there. When I placed it in the HOME folder it showed up in various places on the site and in the navigation and such ;) Do you think this is the issue? | 18:13 |
| BartJo1 | it's about url's | 18:14 |
| BartJo1 | and those are fixed in the package | 18:14 |
| BartJo1 | it shouldn't matter | 18:14 |
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| Doc777 | ok | 18:14 |
| BartJo1 | mind the word shouldn't ;) | 18:15 |
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| Doc777 | Found a clue in the apache log. 404 on the .css | 18:16 |
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| BartJo1 | did you replace green with a good alternativ | 18:18 |
| BartJo1 | e | 18:18 |
| BartJo1 | eeh.... you lost one 7?!? | 18:18 |
| BartJo1 | is the css file available for everyone then? | 18:19 |
| Doc777 | Well here is the odd part. The actual snippet is called graceblue14.css and apache is looking for graceblue.css | 18:19 |
| BartJo1 | is that the url or the title? | 18:20 |
| Doc777 | The graceblue14 is the url, the graceblue is the title. | 18:21 |
| BartJo1 | and the url to the css in the template and the url of the css match I suppose.. | 18:21 |
| Doc777 | From the site you can pull up /graceblue14.css and display the code. But /graceblue.css gives a 404. | 18:22 |
| BartJo1 | but what are the security setting of graceblue14 | 18:22 |
| BartJo1 | because in admin mode it does show doesn't it? | 18:22 |
| Doc777 | yea... shows fine in admin mode. Failsafe when not. Security is set to Everyone can view. | 18:23 |
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| BartJo1 | mmm getting desperate | 18:26 |
| Doc777 | I think you hit on the right thing with the url in the template. It seems it needs to be set to the actual url of the snippet. (14). That probably got thrown off by having to reinstall the theme so many times because of the Template::Expr issue. | 18:26 |
| Doc777 | I think we are onto something as the colors are appearing ;) | 18:26 |
| BartJo1 | whoa | 18:26 |
| Doc777 | Hey thats a big thing for me ;) | 18:26 |
| BartJo1 | (small) VICTORY! | 18:26 |
| Doc777 | At last ;) | 18:27 |
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| BartJo1 | now I will sleep with a comforted heart | 18:28 |
| Doc777 | Thank you for so much help Bart. You figured it out through text. That is great! ;) | 18:31 |
| BartJo1 | well, it took me some sweat too, but it's really hot right now in the netherlands | 18:31 |
| BartJo1 | the cheeses are melting :) | 18:32 |
| Doc777 | Ack! Cant have that. | 18:32 |
| BartJo1 | we can't live without cheese, except MrHarigrease... | 18:33 |
| Doc777 | lol, yea we love it here to. East coast usa. | 18:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6330 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: fixed a problem where no current asset is set | 18:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6331 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetSyndicatedContent.pm: throw warn instead of error | 18:34 |
| BartJo1 | but now it's time to sit outside and drink a beer, only I have to find a partner in booze... | 18:35 |
| @apeiron | BartJo1, Ship them to JT and pick them up at the WUC! | 18:36 |
| Doc777 | There ya go ;) | 18:36 |
| @apeiron | They can work the Wisconsin cheese magic on them, too. | 18:37 |
| BartJo1 | ah | 18:37 |
| BartJo1 | well, but are how am I supposed to maintaion myself till then? | 18:38 |
| BartJo1 | wisconic cheese is also good | 18:38 |
| BartJo1 | especially with aplle py | 18:38 |
| Doc777 | Sure is! | 18:38 |
| BartJo1 | apple pie | 18:38 |
| BartJo1 | or is it Wisconsinic | 18:40 |
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| lisette | I can know that users have been logged to date? | 18:43 |
| @apeiron | lisette, You want to know that users have logged in on or before a specific date? | 18:44 |
| lisette | today | 18:44 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 18:45 |
| @apeiron | lisette, The userLoginLog table in the DB has that info. | 18:45 |
| lisette | thanks | 18:46 |
| BartJo1 | or in the login history in the admin console? | 18:49 |
| lisette | how? | 18:49 |
| BartJo1 | Gebruiker (identificatie) StatusLogin tijdIP adresUser agentAdmin (3)success10:15am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14Admin (3)success10:12am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14 | 18:50 |
| BartJo1 | it's dutch, but anyway | 18:50 |
| dionak | there's an icon in the admin console | 18:50 |
| BartJo1 | go to the admin console and click on login history? | 18:50 |
| BartJo1 | and yes, I use windows... , long live steve balmer! | 18:53 |
| BartJo1 | oh eeeh | 18:53 |
| BartJo1 | so long, and thanks for all the fish | 18:55 |
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| elnino | good morning! This is probably a really dumb question, but I can seem to make this work. | 18:58 |
| elnino | hold on. .. | 18:59 |
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| elnino | does preaction=JT? | 19:14 |
| @preaction | no | 19:14 |
| @rizen | no | 19:14 |
| @rizen | rizen = JT | 19:14 |
| @rizen | preaction = Famous Rockstar | 19:14 |
| elnino | oh. I have a long winded explaination of my shortcut request if you want it. =) otherwise, it's ok if you want to close my recent RFE | 19:15 |
| @preaction | i'm here for the atmosphere, sometimes the food's okay too | 19:15 |
| elnino | =) | 19:15 |
| @rizen | give it | 19:15 |
| elnino | ok.. don't say I didnt' warn you... | 19:15 |
| elnino | Marketing hired a translater to translates a page into about 15 different languages. Their preference is for us to post the pages as they gave them to us "as is". Which I know I can do if I had used one of those by pass directorys. | 19:15 |
| elnino | I have choosen not do do this for the following reasons. | 19:15 |
| elnino | Their html code was broken, and we wanted to post the pages within webgui so that marketing could modify links and the look of the site, and have that apply to these pages. And Also, as marketing already have done so, are starting to build additional pages underneath these initial pages. | 19:16 |
| elnino | follow so far? | 19:16 |
| elnino | So back to my request. We are tired of them giving us broken pages, and they want to see the pages on the site (as they delivered them) - so they can see how broken they are, despite our efforts in sending screen shots and explaining what needs to be fixed and that they can see these if they just tested them. | 19:18 |
| elnino | So I choose to compromise by posting the pages as is" by using snippets. I choose this method so that marketing can still modify the pages within webgui and create pages underneath. | 19:18 |
| elnino | Doing so, I found that I need to have subdirectory under each snippet for the supporting files (which I could avoid if they were posted the way I wanted to) and rather than uploading the same files 10 times over, I was hoping to use shortcuts, because no doubt they'll see their error and I will need to reupload all the files all over again. | 19:18 |
| elnino | end-of-story | 19:18 |
| elnino | hopefully that makes sense. but I know there are alternative methods, so I'm fine if you don't think others will want "mass shortcutting" functionality. | 19:19 |
| elnino | but the reason why I logged on is, that is seems that the snippets (text/html)aren't picking up the conents of the sub directories, so I'm kinda scratching my head right now. | 19:20 |
| elnino | paths in the html files they gave us are relative, so I thought the folder under the snippet would work. | 19:22 |
| @rizen | the position in the asset tree is irrelevant | 19:22 |
| @rizen | the url is what's relevant | 19:22 |
| @rizen | so you can have just one folder | 19:23 |
| @rizen | and have them all use it | 19:23 |
| @rizen | i can't see your html, but let's say they have a folder called "images" that they have stuff in | 19:23 |
| @rizen | so the image tag looks like: | 19:24 |
| @rizen | <img src="images/this.jpg"> | 19:24 |
| elnino | so if a snippet has a image with the url of: "images/header.jpg" does webgui append a / in front of the path? | 19:24 |
| @rizen | no | 19:24 |
| @rizen | let me continue | 19:24 |
| elnino | sorry - we typed at the same time. please continue. | 19:25 |
| @rizen | and you have your HTML as a snippet (containing the above tag) with a url of /foo/bar.html | 19:25 |
| @rizen | then your images need to have a url of foo/bar/this.jpg | 19:26 |
| @rizen | that may sound confusing, but keep in mind that WebGUI's asset tree has absolutely nothing to do with a traditional filesystem | 19:26 |
| @rizen | the URLs are completely independent of the structure in the tree | 19:27 |
| @rizen | back to your request for RFE | 19:27 |
| @rizen | that's a jury rig in the best case scenario. i don't want to encourage that behavior. request denied. | 19:27 |
| @rizen | that's as much help as i can provide for now. must get back to work. | 19:28 |
| elnino | did you mean foo/bar/images/this.jpg? | 19:28 |
| @rizen | no | 19:28 |
| @rizen | bar is the .html | 19:28 |
| @rizen | bar.html | 19:28 |
| @rizen | foo is the folde rname | 19:28 |
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| elnino | in the snippet the image path is "images/this.jpg: | 19:28 |
| elnino | if anyone followed this, I do understand that placement of the images directory is irrelevant, I only placed it below the snippet so that the url of the images directory was generated automatically for me. However, I think rizen is incorrect. | 19:32 |
| elnino | in his example he referenced images/this.jpg and said the url for the image needs to be foo/bar/this.jpg. even though his example the snippet references the images using the image directory? | 19:33 |
| elnino | it seems in his example it should be foo/bar/images/this.jpg. Can someone confirm if that was a typo on his part? | 19:35 |
| elnino | but for good measure, I'll try what he suggested (without the images directory in the url) | 19:36 |
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| elnino | Another question, does webgui drop the .html portion when it's in the middle of a url? in rizen's example: it should be foo/bar/this.jpg, it seems to me that it should be: foo/bar.html/this.jpg? | 19:45 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6332 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update defaultValue in the group field of the PayDriver definition | 19:54 |
| topsub | Is there a way i can pull content profiling information in the search results template? | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | search results template? | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | you mean sql report template? | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | wait, never mind | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the AOI macro | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | ^AOIHits and ^AOIRank | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | the SQL macro could also be used to pull the results with a custom query | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if you mean you want content profiling info associated with the search results themselves, that could be very slow since you'd be making a query per asset. But it would work. | 20:18 |
| topsub | well when they do a search the results that come back we want to add the content profiling informatin into the template with the results | 20:18 |
| topsub | so you will see the File name + content profiling information as a list. If that makes sence | 20:19 |
| dionak | he's just saying that would work but be slower | 20:19 |
| dionak | i guess that the amount of overhead would be directly related to the number of results in a search query | 20:20 |
| topsub | ah alright i will give it a shot | 20:20 |
| dionak | and the number of subsequent queries to retrieve the content profile data | 20:20 |
| elnino | rizen - can't get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others Thank you for your time. | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: when you said unused variables in your email, do you mean existing template variables that aren't used (but could be) or template variables that are never used? | 20:22 |
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| dionak | the post indicated, to me at least, that some variables were discovered in the templates to never be used. i was thinking i would need to verify that.. | 20:26 |
| dionak | i really haven't looked | 20:26 |
| dionak | but i'm pretty good at reverse engineering. | 20:27 |
| dionak | plus, i figured i could ask you guys ;) | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen has found that the more template variables, the slower the render and higher the memory usage | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so removing those we can would be great | 20:28 |
| dionak | ah, good. | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | there was even a plan in place at one time to remove replace i18n labels with i18n macro calls | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | since they're still faster than making template variables | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and only the ones used are called | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't know where those plans lie now | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing they take a back seat to C2 | 20:29 |
| dionak | i'm sure they do. commerce seems to be rolling along well from the comments we see | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a lot of progress being made, but it's a huge project | 20:30 |
| dionak | it sounds to me like the main goal would be to clean up the templates, make them more standard and accessible via css | 20:30 |
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| dionak | yes, it certainly is. | 20:30 |
| dionak | i'm looking forward to seeing the end result, and i'm sure others are too. especially the devs. | 20:31 |
| dionak | are you working on that project at all? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm building the product | 20:32 |
| dionak | what part are you working on? | 20:32 |
| dionak | just curious | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and translating old products (asset based and commerce based) to the new Sku based product | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | plus testing, I wrote the Shipping drivers, the tax system and some other small things | 20:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | khenn: just want to verify this is you before giving that info out. This is IRC after all. | 20:33 |
| @khenn | yes it's me | 20:33 |
| @khenn | =) | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: khenn is who you expect him to be | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the right IP address and username | 20:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 20:33 |
| @khenn | pd keeps track of these things! | 20:33 |
| dionak | are people posing as other people? | 20:34 |
| @khenn | he knows our IPs!!! | 20:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: knowing my ip. That scares me. | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, I have a backup | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn: which SQL query did you and I disagree over in the In/Out board? | 20:34 |
| @khenn | heh I don't remember | 20:35 |
| @khenn | what was that, a year ago or more? | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | three | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm surprised y'all have kept me around that long :) | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: there's no one posing as other people so far | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | although someone named BugCrusherMcgirk has tried to impersonate rizen a few times | 20:38 |
| dionak | so far... :) | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and people have tried to come back and be beligerent using other aliases | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | iPhoneGuy == maxScience | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and some other alias, too, iirc | 20:39 |
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| dionak | lol! | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | he's back! | 20:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGurk: I don't see any better way to convert Commerce products into Sku products than instancing them one by one. It's going to be slow. | 20:43 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | which side are you instanciating? | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Commerce | 20:44 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | you can instanciate the new sku, but noth the other sides | 20:44 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | here's the reason | 20:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | the upgrade will run once per site | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | oh crap | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 20:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | and in one of those upgrade the commerce files will be deleted | 20:45 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | then the subsequent ones won't work | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, back to the drawing board (SQL) then | 20:46 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | sorry man | 20:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | for the record, i don't mind slow | 20:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | just can't have break | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 20:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcGurk | 10 points who can tell me who Slasher McGurk is without looking on google or any other site | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll just blame you for my faulty thinking, due to the bacterial infection you sent me. | 20:47 |
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| @rizen | i said i was sorry about that | 20:48 |
| @rizen | my assistant screwed up the order | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I get less forgiving when I'm sick | 20:48 |
| @rizen | i haven't gotten anything good done on shop in the past two because i've been up at night nursing sick servers | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 20:50 |
| @rizen | there are at least 2 servers that are not on my christmas card list anymore | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | hardware problems? | 20:50 |
| @rizen | preaction is right there with me...i don't know how he's still awake | 20:50 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:50 |
| @rizen | software problems | 20:50 |
| @rizen | that are being really hard to diagnose | 20:50 |
| @preaction | caffiene pill every morning, i'll probably end up crashing around 5:00p | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease write beautiful perl code | 21:15 |
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| elnino | rizen - I wasn't able to get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others. Thank you for your time. Much appreciated. | 21:36 |
| elnino | no underlying apology and I didn't take anything personally =) thanks though. I know he's always working on webgui to make it even better and I totally understand that you guys have to keep focused on higher priority RFEs and bug reports. I just wish people would use webgui more, it seems it's more popular in england, why would that be? you're based in WI, right? | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm basedin Portland, Oregon. The Plain Black staff are based out of Wisconsin. | 21:53 |
| @apeiron | ... mostly | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mostly? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | well, Steve is in Texas | 21:54 |
| @apeiron | <-- Pennsylvania | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Pennsylvania? | 21:54 |
| @apeiron | Aye. | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Tavis is in Michigan? | 21:55 |
| elnino | <-- Minnesota (hiring?) | 21:56 |
| +perlDreamer | hiring? | 21:56 |
| elnino | [are you] hiring? =) | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I wish | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Plain Black does have a request open for a programmer. | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | It's on their site | 21:58 |
| @rizen | elnino | 21:58 |
| @rizen | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1210186440_29/foo | 21:58 |
| @khenn | yeah PD, when are you finally going to turn us into $dayJob? =p | 21:59 |
| @rizen | i built the example i was telling you about | 21:59 |
| @rizen | we can't hire perlDreamer | 21:59 |
| @rizen | he doesn't live in Wisconsin | 21:59 |
| @rizen | remember, we're firing everyone not from wisconsin | 21:59 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:59 |
| @apeiron | wait, wait | 22:00 |
| elnino | hmm. I'm SO close to quiting my job. nice people, but.... | 22:00 |
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| @apeiron | khenn, You're *from* Illinois right? | 22:00 |
| @khenn | no | 22:00 |
| @khenn | wisconsin | 22:00 |
| @apeiron | Oh, thought you'd moved. | 22:00 |
| @rizen | he was born in wisconsin | 22:00 |
| @rizen | lived all over | 22:00 |
| @rizen | and came back to wisconsin | 22:00 |
| @rizen | to die | 22:00 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:00 |
| @khenn | I lived in Illinois until I came to work for JT the slave driver | 22:00 |
| @rizen | cuz frank is so OOOLD | 22:01 |
| @rizen | he has gray hair | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm older than all of you, so be careful | 22:01 |
| @khenn | not at the moment I don't =p | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and mind your elders | 22:01 |
| @rizen | and his whole body is covered in wrinkles and liver spots | 22:01 |
| @rizen | at least that's what his wife tells me | 22:01 |
| elnino | rizen: You set it up exactly like I originally did. From what I can tell your example has the url of the image was foo/bar/images/this.jpg. I must have had something else going on. No worries about this, I'm going back to do it the way I should have done it the first time around. | 22:02 |
| @rizen | no | 22:02 |
| @rizen | my image is foo/images/this.jpg | 22:02 |
| @rizen | no bar | 22:02 |
| @rizen | elnino | 22:03 |
| @rizen | feel free to log in and play around | 22:03 |
| @rizen | i set that beta site up for you | 22:03 |
| elnino | oh good grief. I get it.. | 22:03 |
| @rizen | it will last for 24 hours | 22:03 |
| elnino | Thank you.... no need.... | 22:03 |
| * rizen things elnino should come to the WUC | 22:04 | |
| @rizen | s/thing/think/ | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | indeed | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I think she said she applied to come | 22:04 |
| elnino | I'm working on it... boss never replied. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | bosses | 22:04 |
| elnino | still looking for money I guess. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | did you find a babysitter? | 22:04 |
| @rizen | do you work at U of M ? | 22:04 |
| elnino | rizen: not to beat a dead horse, but your initial example said: foo/bar/this.jpg | 22:05 |
| elnino | =) | 22:05 |
| @rizen | sue me | 22:05 |
| elnino | We found a daycare center that would be willing to do only a week. | 22:05 |
| @rizen | i was in a hurry | 22:05 |
| @rizen | and you get what you pay for =) | 22:05 |
| elnino | obviously.... nope, I dont' work at the UofM. Small manufacturing. | 22:06 |
| elnino | company. | 22:06 |
| @rizen | i hear that U of M law department is setting up a WebGUI user group | 22:06 |
| @rizen | email tavis@plainblack.com if you'd like to be introduced to them | 22:06 |
| elnino | computer manufacturing. | 22:07 |
| elnino | thanks for the headsup on UofM. | 22:08 |
| elnino | rizen: works like a charm, thanks for being patient. You can certainly close and delte my RFE. =) I was seriously having a brain fart. | 22:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: commerce conversion 95% done. I just need to build a short description for the variants. | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | after lunch | 22:17 |
| @rizen | nice doood | 22:22 |
| @rizen | wish i could say the same for the rest of the shop | 22:22 |
| @rizen | oh crap..i'm late. gotta go | 22:22 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6333 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (Shelf.gif small/Shelf.gif): Added Shelf icons | 22:24 |
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| jua1 | i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to WebGUI? | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | each user's authentication method can be set in 1 of 2 ways | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) From the Users screen in the Admin console | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) Doing it manually in the db | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | but you'll need to transfer their password over to the webgui db | 22:44 |
| jua1 | in the admin console, i have changed it to webgui | 22:45 |
| jua1 | i am checking in the users table and all of them have ldap authentication | 22:46 |
| jua1 | if i alter the table to WebGUI, have to transfer their password from ldap to webgui? | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:48 |
| jua1 | if a user has ldap authentication the password is always in ldap, webgui doesn't syncronize the password | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that to be true. You can always check the table called authentication to check that. | 22:51 |
| jua1 | ok | 22:52 |
| jua1 | if in the table authentication is the password, the only thing that i need to do is alter the table users | 22:52 |
| @preaction | jua1, no, the authentication table has a particular setup that will require you to edit it. | 22:53 |
| jua1 | yes, i am checking | 22:55 |
| jua1 | thanks | 22:55 |
| jua1 | is more easy to delete all of them and create again using the userimport.pl | 22:59 |
| jua1 | can i do that, if i have the users associated to groups? | 23:07 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): add more help about shortdesc length, and use the correct form option to set the length to 30 chars | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! Commerce conversion done! | 23:50 |
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| lisette | i do a UserImport with the userImport.pl but i forget put the parameter allowChangePass, i need allow to user to change the password, how to do this? | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you could redo the userImport | 00:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6335 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: conversion of Commerce products to Sku products done | 00:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6336 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: clean up the old Commerce tables, and close a statement handle | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, the data is stored in the authentication table; | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | update authentication set fieldData=1 where fieldName='changePassword'; | 00:09 |
| lisette | thanks | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | note that that does it for all users | 00:09 |
| lisette | yes | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | good night, preaction | 00:20 |
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| Doc777 | Question: I have a flashchat php app installed in a passthrough at ct/flashchat.php. It works great calling it by url. When I try and add this in a http proxy it attached http:// to the link and therefore breaks it. Is there a work around for something like this? | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Doc777: Use the complete url, including the sitename | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, one could ask why you'd want to proxy a piece of webgui back into WebGUI | 00:30 |
| Doc777 | This is on a vserver which local address is not the same as the DNS address. It uses NAT so not that easy. The reason I am trying to do this is that flashchat is a php app that does not run in webgui? At least I cannot seem to make it do so... So I added a passthru to allow it to run on its on and would like to include it in a page.... | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, good point | 00:32 |
| Doc777 | Pulling up the flashchat.php works great.... But I would love to integrate it into the site. | 00:32 |
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| lisette | as I do a load of users with userImport.pl with e-mail each user? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it will not send email to the users as you do a new userImport | 00:41 |
| lisette | no | 00:41 |
| lisette | i need register the user with the e-mail, but the e-mail isn't part of the information of user, is the profile | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | you can add userProfile fields to the data that you send to userImport.pl | 00:42 |
| lisette | like a column? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | "In addition to the field names above, you may use any valid profile field name." | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:43 |
| lisette | thanks | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | name the column the same as the userProfile field | 00:43 |
| lisette | i try insert a email with point example: david.algo@algo.com, and this field don't save, why? | 00:45 |
| @preaction | anyone else having trouble committing content on latest SVN? | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: since I think I committed the latest SVN, I would say no | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'll try again | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | just committed 6337 | 00:46 |
| @preaction | so spectre and committing version tags worked fine? | 00:47 |
| lisette | i do this by the administrator console | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't tried that | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: manual commit or autocommit? | 00:47 |
| @preaction | auto, as default | 00:48 |
| @preaction | if the problem is what i think it is, though, it shouldn't matter | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | edited the Welcome article | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | content was accepted | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no version tag showing | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | (in the adminBar) | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no lock icon in the edit bar | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | what should I be looking for/attempting to do exactly? | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm fully up to date, with the exception of the shelf icons from Steve today | 00:50 |
| @preaction | i'm seeing it get committed, and then the activity seems to return "undefined", which causes problems | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | with autocommit, do you need to have spectre actually running? | 00:52 |
| * perlDreamer begins to feel foolish | 00:52 | |
| @preaction | yes | 00:52 |
| @preaction | there's a new twist: there are no realtime workflows anymore | 00:52 |
| @preaction | all workflows are assumed to be realtime until they take too long, then they're handed off to spectre | 00:53 |
| @preaction | i don't know how that works, but that's what happens | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll start spectre, and try again | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | what direct symptom am I looking for? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | i don't know how activities are supposed to handle running for 10 seconds, getting stopped, and then starting again when spectre gets to them, but that's what happens | 00:53 |
| @preaction | your content doesn't show up | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, spectre up | 00:54 |
| @preaction | the log file, in INFO mode, shows 4 lines: Trying to execute, Completed Activity for Workflow, Could not complete workflow instance in real time, and then Something bad happened | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not what I got | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I got my content, and this in the WebGUI.log file | 00:55 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6337 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: prep code for removing the Product macro from webgui.conf file | 00:55 |
| @preaction | then it's something over here | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 2008/05/07 14:47:03 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mywebgui.conf at http://mywebgui.localdomain:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout | 00:55 |
| @preaction | that's a problem, but not the same problem | 00:55 |
| @preaction | it would hide the problem i'm seeing though | 00:55 |
| @preaction | also, now there's a problem in the upgrade script. a misspelling of a table name i think | 00:56 |
| @preaction | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown table 'productparameteroptionss' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like something I wrote | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | are you up to date? | 00:57 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | a table by that name exists, with camel case | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of all lower case | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and one fewer s | 00:59 |
| @preaction | the extra S at the end perhaps? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | argh | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, man | 01:00 |
| @preaction | np | 01:00 |
| @preaction | i still have the other issue probably | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll figure out why spectre can't talk to my site | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and maybe I'll be able to duplicate your problem | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | committed a fix for that typo | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, weird | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | spectre --test says everything is okay | 01:04 |
| @preaction | weird indeed | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI's spectre screen says everything is okay | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but webgui.log is filling up with 2008/05/07 14:53:59 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of mywebgui.localdomain - 5uhHUs8Xqsl2YHe6P5M6KA. <HTML> | 01:05 |
| @preaction | i think i figured out my problem, i was setting a defaultVersionTagWorkflow that doesn't exist anymore | 01:06 |
| @preaction | but i'm testing | 01:06 |
| @preaction | did you restart spectre too? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm rebuilding the site from scratch to make sure the script works right | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and translating the commerce takes a while | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | 3-4 minutes for 838 products | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Tiffany was kind enough to donate some real-life product data for me to test converting | 01:07 |
| @preaction | nice | 01:08 |
| @preaction | nevermind though, it's working now | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, good | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | want to fix my site next? | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | =) | 01:08 |
| @preaction | $50 | 01:10 |
| @apeiron | opera-- # apparently completely valid XHTML Strict 1.0 isn't good enough for it | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | mine seems to be working now as well | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | why isn't my computer smart enough to know that "ate" really means "date"? | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | lisette: about your earlier email address problem. Could you please repeat what's going on? | 01:15 |
| jua1 | perlDreamer, lisette is not in the office now but i know the problem | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6338 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix a typo in the name of a Commerce table to be dropped | 01:20 |
| jua1 | the problem is, i want to add a user in the admin console and my username name is like juan.gallego and the email will be juan.gallego@algo.com | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, and it's not working? | 01:22 |
| jua1 | yes | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be 1 of 2 problems | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) emails are required to be unique, so someone else may have that email | 01:22 |
| jua1 | then i try to edit the profile and the email doesn't exist | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) more likely, there is a bug in the email validation code that is rejecting the email address | 01:23 |
| jua1 | i am going to check in the database | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/email-field-not-accepting-addresses-with-periods-in-them#BL40GDFp4xSv6D3OEwz7iQ | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: has the "dot in email address" fix been ported to 7.5? | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | i believe so | 01:26 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 01:27 |
| @Haarg | doesn't look like it | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | jua1: this bug was fixed in WebGUI 7.4.34 | 01:27 |
| jua1 | ok | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using 7.4, or 7.5? | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | becuase the next 7.5 fix won't be out for 3 more weeks | 01:28 |
| jua1 | 7.4.32 | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I would recommend upgrading, then | 01:28 |
| jua1 | ok | 01:28 |
| jua1 | thanks | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Don't thank me yet, we don't know for sure that it will fix your problem | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | Pero yo espero que si | 01:29 |
| jua1 | eso espero | 01:30 |
| jua1 | que si | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | jau1: in that sentence, is "espero" a noun or a verb? | 01:37 |
| jua1 | el verbo es esperar | 01:42 |
| jua1 | en la setencia es un noun | 01:44 |
| jua1 | when I am saying espero is in that setence is because i have a certain security that the upgrade can correct the errors | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand. You weren't correcting what I was saying. | 01:44 |
| jua1 | instead of the verb esperar that is the time while the upgrade is executed | 01:45 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6339 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Form/Email.t: back port additional email address tests | 01:48 |
| jua1 | is clear? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 01:49 |
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| Doc777 | Anyone know how I can remove the site name text off the top of the site? I have my own graphic there but the site name text displays over the top ;) | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Doc777: that would be in your style template | 02:09 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6340 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: begin documenting the Product changes in the gotchas.txt file | 02:09 |
| Doc777 | Thank you. Digging through that but does not seem to be there, at least that I can find... Maybe it is obfusacated ;) | 02:10 |
| @preaction | it's the ^c; macro, the CompanyName macro | 02:10 |
| Doc777 | Something like this one: <h1>^H(^c(););</h1> ? | 02:11 |
| Doc777 | Yep, I would have never guessed that was the site name ;) | 02:12 |
| @preaction | probably | 02:12 |
| @preaction | ^H; for the home page link, ^c; for the company name | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Doc777: You can find out what macros mean in your website by using the Help system | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to the Help icon in the admin console | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and choose List of macros | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it will tell you the name and shortcut for all macros on your site | 02:13 |
| Doc777 | Aye but what stumped me was looking for the site name in a lot of code. When actually I was looking for ^c. | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I need to talk through an idea. Do you have 5-10 minutes? | 02:16 |
| @preaction | sure | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm working on the C2 update | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | In C2, instead of the Product macro, you use the AssetProxy macro instead | 02:16 |
| @preaction | ok | 02:17 |
| @preaction | I thought Skus were assets now, do we need AssetProxy at all? | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | all existing Commerce products are dropped into a folder off of root | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and during the conversion, assets that use them (article, snippet, layout and template) need to be converted to use the AssetProxy macro instead | 02:18 |
| @preaction | so assetproxy is just needed as a conversion, in the future we won't really NEED it | 02:18 |
| @preaction | but okay | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want to display the same product on two pages, you still need AssetProxy | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but really, you should be using Shelf | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | so during the upgrade, we don't shut down all the WebGUI commerce sites in the world :) | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | So I need to go through that list of assets | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and it would be really easy to do it in the db | 02:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I'm wondering if it would be better to do through the API | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and actually register a version change | 02:20 |
| @preaction | but if they rolled back the version, their asset would break | 02:20 |
| @preaction | it wouldn't work as they expected it to | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, since it would go back to using the Product macro | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so you think it would be better to update all revisions of the asset, using the db? | 02:21 |
| @preaction | i think it would be faster, easier, and work just as well | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it would also allow all the wobjects to be handled in one fell swoop | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, db it is | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, preaction | 02:24 |
| @preaction | np | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I wish you and rizen lots of luck with your recalcitrant servers | 02:24 |
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| @preaction | i'm currently coming up with a method to send bolts of electricity over TCP/IP | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd recommend using POE instead | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | much safer | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | although somewhat limited in quantity of power | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how much electricity are we talking about here? | 02:26 |
| @preaction | enough to shut the system up | 02:26 |
| @preaction | make it think long and hard about what it did | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, you want a voltage paddle | 02:26 |
| @preaction | enough so that it does not do it again | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | send it to its room for a timeout? | 02:27 |
| @preaction | call it spareNotTheRod.pl | 02:27 |
| @preaction | or just TheRod | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if we could get a lot of cats, wearing wool socks walking across a carpet... | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | It's pretty hard, but not impossible to do, with servers on UPSes | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the UPSes also act as surge suppressors (big caps) | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd need to do it right at the machine | 02:31 |
| @preaction | that's why we'd have to go in through the network cables | 02:31 |
| @preaction | they'd never suspect it | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the network cables are only good for maybe 10W | 02:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the server would laugh at that | 02:31 |
| @preaction | damn... | 02:32 |
| @preaction | can't spank it and not mean it, it'll get even more unruly... | 02:32 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:32 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: thanks for the congrats last night :) didn't see it until this morning. | 03:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | nice interview cap10morgan - but i have to ask.. why pose with a barbie basketball? :) | 03:59 |
| cap10morgan | Radix-wrk: because it's there? | 03:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | it looks like you're showing it off ;) | 04:00 |
| +Radix-wrk | congrats on the nomination tho :) | 04:00 |
| cap10morgan | oh, i am ;) | 04:03 |
| cap10morgan | thanks! | 04:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 04:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | cap10morgan: you're welcome. Keep up the good work! | 04:17 |
| cap10morgan | thanks! :) | 04:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and there's 2/3 of the Product macro conversion done | 05:04 |
| +perlDreamer | man I'm getting tired | 05:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6341 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:10 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update all Wobjects, and snippets from using the Product | 05:10 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Macro to using AssetProxy. The loadProductAsset.pl script is | 05:10 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: for testing the conversion. | 05:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo, khenn | 06:01 |
| @khenn | what's up dreamer? | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | have you applied/checked my patch yet? | 06:02 |
| @khenn | sent it off to the client. No word yet | 06:02 |
| @khenn | I assume all is well | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I tested it, but it's always nice to have other experienced eyes | 06:02 |
| @khenn | we'll follow up at some point this week | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so what's keeping you busy nowadays? | 06:03 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6342 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add templates to the mix. Product macro template scan and update done | 06:35 |
| pilaf153 | To run a cascading menu that is a mouseover do you have to use java or are there macros or packages out there that can do this? | 06:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | pilaf153: I'd recommend looking at the existing Navigation templates, and the Add Ons section at webgui.org | 06:42 |
| pilaf153 | I have been looking through them but cant seem to find one that does what I need. I will keep looking though. | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't looked into this for a while, but I seem to remember that Cool Menus will do that. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, Cool Menu is the one | 06:49 |
| pilaf153 | that is one that already exists in the install? I am positive I tried all of them. | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, it's in the install | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I've tried it out in the Demo site | 06:50 |
| pilaf153 | I will check it again does it need any modification | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1210215898_777/site_map/site_map2 | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to be customized for your style | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the one I have is just the default | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | It's the big green "Home" box in the middle of the banner | 06:51 |
| pilaf153 | ok | 06:51 |
| pilaf153 | ok I wll play with it and see if I can make it work. Thanks for the info | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this add on may be of interest as well: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/accordianstyle-menu-using-jquery--v7_4_30-#jcL74yZTdMuc7SYgvc_j-Q | 06:54 |
| pilaf153 | yeah I tried installing this in the latest version and it wasnt wokring | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | which latest? 7.5 or 7.4? | 06:55 |
| pilaf153 | 7.5 | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | topsub seems to be good about taking care of his add ons | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt he'll be looking at it soon | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | you _could_ come back tomorrow during the day (East code American time) and ask him in the channel | 06:58 |
| pilaf153 | cool | 06:58 |
| pilaf153 | thanks for all the help. I am out for now | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome | 06:59 |
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| SDuensin | Morning | 16:38 |
| BartJo3 | good afternoon gentlemen | 16:42 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | good afternoon. | 16:44 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6343 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added randomize answers functionality (how was this missing?) | 17:04 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:09 |
| BartJo2 | hi | 17:09 |
| SquOnk | rizen: You there? | 17:11 |
| @rizen | no | 17:12 |
| SquOnk | Heh | 17:12 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Just to let you know... My sponsor has given the A-OK to the webgui package... | 17:12 |
| @rizen | wahoo!!!! | 17:12 |
| @rizen | So this will be going into Lenny for sure then? | 17:12 |
| SquOnk | rizen: ...I just got mail from the debian-volatile team. They coordinate the way upgrades are handled for packages such as webgui | 17:12 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Yes. Target is Lenny and it will be there. | 17:13 |
| @rizen | WAHOOOO!!!! | 17:13 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I expect an upload over this weekend. | 17:13 |
| @rizen | you rule SquOnk | 17:13 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Debian Rules | 17:13 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Have you tested webgui with Perl 5.10? | 17:14 |
| @rizen | no not yet...spending all my time trying to finish up WebGUI 7.5 | 17:14 |
| SquOnk | rizen: All right. | 17:14 |
| @rizen | after that comes out i'll start playing with Perl 5.10 | 17:14 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Lenny will have Perl 5.10 | 17:14 |
| @rizen | so i better test then | 17:15 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:15 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I can tell you the upgrade scripts work since I've just tested them. | 17:15 |
| @rizen | i don't think there will be a problem | 17:15 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Me neither, but one has to trust but verify | 17:15 |
| @rizen | certainly | 17:15 |
| SquOnk | http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png | 17:17 |
| @rizen | hehe | 17:19 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | khenn: What did you think? The editor is still rough around the edges for sure. The options should be more contextualized and the layout cleaned up. But the administration of the survey is coming along nicely I think. | 18:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | dang perlDreamer's day job. | 18:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | doens't he know he needs to be available here 24/7? I need his pager number :P | 18:59 |
| @rizen | so do i | 19:00 |
| @rizen | unfortunately he makes about 1 billion dollars per second in his day job | 19:00 |
| @rizen | if i could afford him, i would have hired him already, just so he's always available to everyone | 19:01 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | can't you bribe him with cherry referrals to his consulting biz? | 19:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | maybe an unlimited supply of gooey dolls? | 19:02 |
| @rizen | i've tried everything | 19:02 |
| @rizen | i even tried threatening to withhold gooey dolls | 19:04 |
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| @preaction_ | perlbot botsnack | 19:37 |
| perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 19:37 |
| Doc777 | Anyone able to tell me what I am missing. When uploading a picture to the "Gallery" the thumbnail is not created. And this is logged: "Exception 420: no decode delegate for this image format" .jpg | 19:38 |
| lisette | Doc77: Where is your question about this? | 19:40 |
| Doc777 | Hrm, well I would like to upload a .jpg picture and have it create the thumbname I guess... It says no decode delate. | 19:42 |
| @preaction_ | sounds like Image magick or graphics magick isn't installed correctly, or you're not actually uploading a jpg | 19:43 |
| Doc777 | Its a .jpg for sure. so maybe something up with Image Magick. | 19:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: if you have a sec (or anyone else with a thought on the matter), I've been pondering how and if JSON serialization of the survey objects (not the results) would work. I'm thinking a single column in the survey table which would contain the serialized survey object, which contains sections->question groups->questions->answers. The only problem I see is having class instances serialize/deserialize themselves. | 19:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | whoa | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | major attendance of PB folk | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I'm here now. | 20:16 |
| @khenn | is yung around? | 20:17 |
| @khenn | perlmonkey2: Haven't had a chance to take a look yet. I plan on doing it shortly though | 20:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what do you think of a single column to contain the entire survey? A serialized data structure of a survey->sections->question groups->answers with objects which know how to handling their own serialization. Then the entire survey can be loaded once, used as needed, then serialized and stored if changes were made? | 20:19 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing (but not by much), that deserealization and loading the data into objects will take a lot less time than 20ms, the minimum time I can make a simple DB all in. | 20:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So it is easier to use the data, and much faster overall. | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | weren't you saying the other day that a large, monolithic structure wouldn't work because you could whip out a 500 MB survey file and fill all the available physical memory of the server? | 20:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well, that | 20:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 's if it included the results. But that woudul be silly | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I see | 20:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or at least that's what perlDreamer told me about 5 times :P | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | answers are available choices | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | not responses | 20:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yes | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no idea, I'll have to think about it further. | 20:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | a response is an instance of a taken survey, a question response is a response toa question, etc. | 20:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But the only drawback is loading the entire survey into memory upon every call. And if size became an issue, compressing the text wouldn't be hard to add? I mean since it is searlized in the DB, what does it matter if the text is compressed? And all these functions are magnitudes faster than DB calls. | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think you'd need in memory compression of the data | 20:24 |
| +perlmonkey2 | well, just thinking if someone writes a 10,000 very wordy set of questions, it might be necessary. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | IMO (read that as the following set of bytes are of low value) that's a performance barrier to cross when we reach it | 20:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | but compression is just sexy :P but I agree. It would be far easier to just have a cap on survey sizes and if they need bigger, just create a second survey which the first redirects to on completion and the user won't notice anything except one of the pages required a reload (which on a fast connection they might not even notice). | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | agree about sexiness, worried about May 31 being only 22 days and 12 hours away :) | 20:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | bah, I've learned so much, I can rewrite this thing, with the 3x as many requirements, in a week. :P | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Deal! | 20:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | If only I could stop getting emails asking me to tweak templates so that blue bars are wider, thinner, longer, shorter, maybe I could get someting done. | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you need a perlmonkey3 who is in charge of UI customization | 20:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I have one, but he's slightly more worthless than perlmonkey2 | 20:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | He's actually supposed to be doing the template customizations, but they don't ever get done, so I'm doing them. | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | one small word of advice from someone who is old | 20:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I have no idea what he did the last 48 hours he had to do this long list of visual changes, but it wasn't doing the visual changes. | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | While it is good that projects meet deadlines, sometimes it is better that they fail so that issues can be escalated. | 20:33 |
| * perlDreamer takes off his yoda robe now :) | 20:33 | |
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| Doc777 | When trying to install Image::Magick it fails with: "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" The only one that locate finds on the system is: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". Is this what it is looking for or a missing library file... | 21:49 |
| Doc777 | I have already downloaded and installed imagemagick but cpan wants to install Perl::Magick. | 21:49 |
| dionak | perlmagick is the perl interface for imagemagick | 21:51 |
| dionak | so you would need it if you're using image magick with webgui | 21:52 |
| SquOnk | aptitude install perlmagick :-) | 21:52 |
| dionak | would that install it in the right place? | 21:52 |
| Doc777 | That is what I was thinking so was trying to install it. It is searching for MagickCore and the only one on the system is "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". So do I have a missing library? | 21:53 |
| dionak | idk. is that what it was looking for, MagickCore.h? | 21:54 |
| dionak | if so, maybe it's not in the include path... | 21:54 |
| @apeiron | -l indicates a shared library, typically something that ends in .so. .h are C header files, plaintext files containing C source. | 21:57 |
| Doc777 | cpan: install Perl::Magick = "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" | 21:57 |
| Doc777 | Doing a locate -u and locate MagickCore only shows: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h" | 21:58 |
| @apeiron | Doc777, Typically you install Perl::Magick with ImageMagick because the two are... fragile, shall we say. | 21:58 |
| Doc777 | Yep, crashed and burned ;) | 21:58 |
| dionak | is graphics magick easier? | 21:59 |
| Doc777 | Downloaded and installed that to... no errors. But does not work in webgui. | 21:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | We promise they won't take over your spaceship? | 21:59 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Correct. | 21:59 |
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| lisette | . | 22:29 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: the button issue is fixed. But I can't replicated the slider issue in FF or IE7. Perhaps it was caused by the button code failure? | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | likely, i'm not seeing it anymore | 22:46 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: well, that is a shaky one to view. I would give you access to the testing machine which has the latest (somewhat)stable, but that is at $work, and I can't give access to non-employees. | 23:20 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6345 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): IE problems apparently resolved, and slider and multi-slider allocate accuracy made bullet-proof. | 23:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6346 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: template vars altered | 23:25 |
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| knowmad | Hey folks! | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, knowmad | 23:39 |
| knowmad | hi pd | 23:40 |
| knowmad | i've got a metadata question for you this afternoon | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it on! | 23:40 |
| knowmad | is there a way to create HTMLAreas or other form elements as meta data properties? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | -types=> [ qw /text integer yesNo selectBox radioList checkList/ ] | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's from AssetMetaData.pm | 23:42 |
| knowmad | why so limited? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no idea | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | HTMLAreas are really only special text fields | 23:42 |
| knowmad | rizen: why can't i build a metadata property with HTMLArea type? | 23:42 |
| @rizen | cuz you can't | 23:42 |
| @rizen | how do you like that | 23:42 |
| knowmad | that sucks | 23:43 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:43 |
| @rizen | you can change it if you want | 23:43 |
| knowmad | you told me about all these great new goodness in 7.5 data forms and got me excited | 23:43 |
| @rizen | there's no technical reason any longer not to support all types | 23:43 |
| knowmad | sweet! | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so rizen, would a check on dynamicFormCompatible be apropos? | 23:43 |
| @rizen | well all dynamic compatible types | 23:43 |
| @rizen | see svn WebGUI::Form::Control for details | 23:44 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:44 |
| @rizen | or just using the FieldType and DynamicField controls in conjunction | 23:44 |
| knowmad | would it be an RFE to add ability to manage the types of meta data properties available? | 23:44 |
| @rizen | with the new form api in 7.5 there's no real limit | 23:44 |
| knowmad | i could see where some sites will want only a limited list | 23:44 |
| @rizen | i see no reason to do that, but if you want to submit the rfe go ahead | 23:45 |
| @rizen | because it's the admin that sets up the metadata fields | 23:45 |
| knowmad | that answers my question | 23:45 |
| knowmad | but then every site gets the same list if you modify the Metadata module | 23:46 |
| knowmad | no way to control it like you can with the SQL Form asset | 23:46 |
| @rizen | do you know what you're talking about knowmad? | 23:46 |
| @rizen | or are you just spewing | 23:46 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:47 |
| knowmad | i know what *I'm* talking about | 23:47 |
| knowmad | i think we need to use the Vulcan mindmeld to get it across the ether though | 23:47 |
| knowmad | it can wait til the WUC | 23:47 |
| knowmad | gives me something to add to my list for you ;) | 23:47 |
| @rizen | keep in mind you don't have exclusive access to me at the wuc like you did at GTS | 23:48 |
| @rizen | your list needs to be much shorter | 23:48 |
| knowmad | i'll let the important ones sort to top | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | with data form you're creating multiple forms | 23:50 |
| @rizen | with metadata, it's global | 23:50 |
| @rizen | to the whole site | 23:50 |
| @rizen | only admins set it up | 23:50 |
| @rizen | so there's no reason to limit the list | 23:50 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm saying | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I'm confused. WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->get('types') != WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->getTypes(), right? | 23:51 |
| @rizen | right | 23:52 |
| @rizen | you can provide a limit to the FieldType function | 23:52 |
| @rizen | to only list the ones you want | 23:52 |
| @rizen | by default it lists all dynamic compatible types | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | how does it build that list by default? | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | it checks the isDynamicCompatible() method | 23:54 |
| @rizen | on all field types | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I'm too sick and stupid to see how that works right now. But I don't see any code that does that | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | by default, I think it builds the empty list | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and the code in Operation/ProfileSettings will see that | 23:59 |
| @rizen | you are sick | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | muy | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | mucho | 23:59 |
| @rizen | see the getTypes() method in FieldType | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see that. Operation/ProfileSettings doesn't use that | 00:00 |
| @rizen | i didn't say it does | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I know. Should it? | 00:00 |
| @rizen | yes | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:00 |
| @rizen | and so should metadata, dataform, sqlform, and any other place that uses dynamic field types | 00:00 |
| @rizen | currently only the new stuff uses it: ems and thingy | 00:01 |
| @rizen | it was written for them | 00:01 |
| @rizen | with the intention of being backported to everything else eventually | 00:01 |
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| knowmad | OK, now I see the point rizen is making about letting all the data type editors flow into metadata | 00:21 |
| knowmad | hey, perlDreamer, sorry to hear you're sick; hope you didn't have what i had last week; I was miserable with flu, fever, sore throat, coughing, congestion, etc. | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no, nasal/sinus and eye and low energy | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's something that rizen's friend xander came up with | 00:22 |
| knowmad | allergies? | 00:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6347 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: fix a bug where no data fields where available in the user profile field editor | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | my allergy medicine isn't helping much | 00:22 |
| knowmad | bummer | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | It seems to be getting better though | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Sku/Product is close to being done | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | The Wobject -> Sku Product conversion is done | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the Commerce -> Sku Product conversion is done | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Product macro conversion is done | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | you rock pd | 00:45 |
| @rizen | oh, and just to be clear about FieldType and getTypes | 00:45 |
| @rizen | getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | it is? | 00:46 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:46 |
| @rizen | it's not called in new() | 00:46 |
| @rizen | but it is | 00:46 |
| @rizen | stop being sick | 00:46 |
| @rizen | get offline | 00:46 |
| @rizen | drink chicken soup | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a handy trick. How did you make it do that? | 00:46 |
| @rizen | get some sleep | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm actually at work today | 00:47 |
| @rizen | it's called in toHtml() | 00:47 |
| @rizen | cuz whether you leave it empty or you specify types | 00:48 |
| @rizen | getTypes() is called | 00:48 |
| @rizen | getTypes() is what gives the human readable names to all the types | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I understand garbled crap now | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | grabled crap is english with the emphasis and punctuation removed | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that means that getTypes is called when new is called | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but you actuall meant this | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically, if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:50 |
| @rizen | you are starting to understand the basics of garbled crap | 00:51 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:51 |
| @rizen | gp,yo,d hstn;rf vts[ ;ppd ;olr yjod yjpihj | 00:52 |
| @rizen | translated: sometimes garbled crap looks like this though | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | that must be graduate level garbled crap | 00:58 |
| @apeiron | nono, that's postdoc garbled crap. | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | rizen: The package has just been uploaded to the incoming queue. | 01:16 |
| SquOnk | rizen: I will receive a message from DAK (the robot) confirming upload. | 01:16 |
| SquOnk | rizen: And then I will either receive an accepting message saying that the package will make it into Sid shortly, or a refusing message stating whatever things need to be fixed. | 01:17 |
| SquOnk | rizen: If anything needs to be fixed, it will not be packaging form but rather licensing issues that I might have overlooked. | 01:17 |
| SquOnk | rizen: In the latter case, I'll be here asking for help :-) | 01:18 |
| @rizen | thanks for the update squ0nk | 01:19 |
| @rizen | oh...can you please have a look at plainblack.com/tbb | 01:19 |
| @rizen | someone asked a question of you out there | 01:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6348 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_thingy-templates.wgpkg: Added new dynamic dropdown to let users move between Things | 01:20 |
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| SquOnk | rizen: I guess he understood that I was maintaining webgui packages IN Debian :-) I was maintaining MY OWN Debian packages. | 01:26 |
| SquOnk | rizen: There were several attempts at packaging WebGUI in Debian but for some reason it never took. | 01:26 |
| @rizen | could you reply to him and say that please | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | rizen: Sure. I'll do it later from home. I've got to go now. | 01:27 |
| @rizen | yeah, i wasn't trying to say that you were doing it in debian all these years. if you were, then there would be no reason to do this blog post and be all excited about it today | 01:27 |
| @rizen | ok bye | 01:27 |
| SquOnk | See you tomorrow | 01:28 |
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| @rizen | does anybody know how to lock a column in open office so that when you scroll right the one colum stays in position while the others move | 05:09 |
| @rizen | i think it's called a pivot table in ms excel | 05:09 |
| +perlmonkey2 | rizen you mean something like in window where you split the screen on a column? | 05:19 |
| @rizen | i guess so | 05:19 |
| @rizen | i think it was all one window though when i saw it last | 05:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure if that's what you want, but it should emulate it. | 05:20 |
| @rizen | ii don't do advanced spreadsheet stuff all that often though so i don't really know how to ask for it | 05:20 |
| @rizen | so how do i do it? | 05:20 |
| @rizen | do you know? | 05:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I think you just select the column you want to keep in view and then Window->split and then the window is split and you can scroll either window. | 05:21 |
| @rizen | hmm that doesn't seem to be working for me | 05:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I once wrote a little app in Calc for figuring out arbitrages for N number of bets, but that was the limit of my "advanced" spreadsheet usage. | 05:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Doesn't devide into two windows? | 05:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | s/devide/divide/ | 05:23 |
| @rizen | i have a spreadsheet that fits across 15 sheets that i use for forecasting pb budgets | 05:23 |
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| @rizen | it's a big spreadsheet, but not terribly advanced | 05:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, ic. Yeah, I'm leading you astray. | 05:24 |
| knowmad | rizen: how many columns do you want locked? only A? | 05:25 |
| @rizen | yeah A | 05:26 |
| knowmad | if so, select column B1 then select Window : Freeze | 05:26 |
| @rizen | well and if i can get it, then 1 also | 05:26 |
| @rizen | both have labels | 05:26 |
| @rizen | and i want to see the labels all the way across | 05:26 |
| knowmad | if you want column A and row 1 to always be locked, choose B2 then Window : Freeze | 05:26 |
| @rizen | ok | 05:26 |
| Doc777 | Excuse me, When using a forum is there a way to disable the ratings? | 05:27 |
| @rizen | dear god that's awesome | 05:27 |
| @rizen | thank you | 05:27 |
| knowmad | yw | 05:27 |
| @rizen | Doc777, the only way is to remove the ratings from the templates | 05:27 |
| @rizen | there's no switch | 05:27 |
| @rizen | though that might be a good switch | 05:27 |
| Doc777 | Fair enough, thanks ;-) | 05:27 |
| knowmad | ++ | 05:27 |
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| elnino | not exactly webgui qustion, does anyone know anything about windows-1251 encoding and mysql? | 06:46 |
| elnino | maybe I should ask this instead.... Looks like webgui stores it's data as utf-8. Can someone confirm? | 06:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | yup, pretty sure it does | 06:53 |
| @apeiron | Looking at docs/create.sql, I see lots of CHARSET=utf8 | 06:54 |
| elnino | good enough for me.. I was given windows-1252 and it was displaying all weird, so I confired it to utf-8 in my browser and stored the source of that page in webgui and it worked great. I'll just tiell my russian friends they need to give me utf-8. Thanks!!! | 06:55 |
| @apeiron | well | 06:55 |
| @apeiron | You *could* convert it in Perl. | 06:55 |
| elnino | don't go there. I've spent too much time on this... But thanks... | 06:55 |
| elnino | =) | 06:55 |
| @apeiron | It's really quite simple actually. use Encode qw/encode decode/; my $raw = decode('Windows-1251, $input); my $utf8 = encode('UTF-8, $raw); | 06:57 |
| @apeiron | Well, Windows-1252 in your case. | 06:57 |
| @apeiron | Although yeah, it would be more maintainable to just get UTF8 from the start. :) | 06:58 |
| elnino | Oh. Ok, I'll keep it in mind. I have my fingers crossed that they are ok with utf-8 - don't see why not, it's as standard as one gets... | 06:59 |
| @apeiron | Yup. If they're not, Perl can help you. :) | 06:59 |
| elnino | If i'm reading this right, your suggestion is to replace what I did with the browser.. it would still be stored in mysql as utf-8, right? | 07:00 |
| @apeiron | Not sure what you're saying re the browser. | 07:00 |
| @apeiron | My suggestion was to, if needed, using Perl, convert the data from the encoding you're getting to UTF-8. | 07:01 |
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| elnino | ok. yep. And I did the same thing using the broswer's encoding settings to do the same thing. | 07:02 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 07:02 |
| elnino | For a while, I thought you were explaining how to store the data in mysql as different encoding. | 07:02 |
| @apeiron | heh, well, if you want to store it as UTF8, you have to convert it to UTF8, yes? :) | 07:02 |
| @apeiron | Store it and have it actually stored *properly*, that is... | 07:03 |
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| elnino | YES. | 07:03 |
| elnino | I was thrown for a loop as to why they gave me windows-1252.. yuck. | 07:03 |
| @apeiron | Ask them. :) | 07:03 |
| elnino | we're good. I can get some rest now... nothing is worse than having something unresolved and lying awake thinking about it. | 07:04 |
| @apeiron | ick, indeed. | 07:04 |
| elnino | Have a great night. THank you for the quick responses! | 07:05 |
| @apeiron | heh, no worries. Gnight! | 07:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: art thou present? | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I summon thee in the name of CeeToo | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | (not to be confused with Shek Two) | 07:42 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6350 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more work for www_buy, and the add to cart UI | 11:21 |
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| aselpilot | Is there any way to imbed an .swf into an article? I attempted to modify the html source but am unable to update it. | 14:48 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:43 |
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| dionak | hey all | 17:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm stuck in a meeting for 6 hours | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | much perl will be written :) | 18:17 |
| topsub | dang.. thats a long meeting! | 18:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6351 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: letting users know about new perl modules | 18:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6352 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: adding another undocumented prereq....doug i'm looking at you!!!! | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: does the product variant select box need a "null" entry, like "Please select an option to add to your cart"? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | i think i'd rather it just display the first variant | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | cool with me | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I just want to make sure that the pinstriping is right the first time :) | 18:59 |
| SDuensin | This is just too much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZc5th6g | 19:02 |
| SDuensin | (Sorry for the link spam.) | 19:02 |
| topsub | rizen, i have to disagree, someone could click add to cart without selecting an variant and lead to issues | 19:11 |
| topsub | Think a null entry is a very good idea. | 19:11 |
| @rizen | topsub: how does it feel to be wrong. i've never been and you look like someone who would know. | 19:25 |
| @rizen | man am i funny =) | 19:26 |
| topsub | hmmmm | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | how about this: push @variantOptions, 'Null entry' if $user=='topsub'; | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | either that wasn't funny, or no one noticed that the string 'topsub' is false in a numeric comparison | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | does anyone remember which module provides the rmtree function? | 19:47 |
| @apeiron | File::Path | 19:48 |
| @apeiron | I noticed the ==, thought it was a mistake. | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | thank! | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron++ | 19:48 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, The export system and its tests exhibit some of the coolest best practice filesystem modules for Perl. :D | 19:49 |
| @apeiron | Path::Class and File::Path. Yum. | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I've figured out how to make multilingual content in WebGUI today. | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It's based on how multilingual is done in Drupal. | 19:55 |
| dionak | we'll probably end up adding the 'Please select...' later | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | RFEs and patches always welcome :) | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | especially from known good devs/committers | 19:57 |
| dionak | noted. thanks. rizen's in a playful mood again today. | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | afaik, he's been up every night this week with bad servers | 19:59 |
| dionak | ugh, | 20:00 |
| dionak | so rizen gets more playful the less sleep he's had... | 20:01 |
| dionak | he must not get much sleep at all | 20:01 |
| bopbop | he | 20:15 |
| bopbop | 's kind of like a gremlin | 20:16 |
| bopbop | funny things happen when he's up after midnight, and if you feed him | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and never, ever get him wet! | 20:16 |
| dionak | haha | 20:16 |
| bopbop | that's right | 20:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: remove commerce related operations | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | CIA-6 is on the ball today | 20:19 |
| @apeiron | Or it just happened to poll at the right moment. :) | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Let's test it. | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | committed | 20:26 |
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| lisette | how to do to send to each user the username and password to your mail? I need to do a macro? | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just a little script | 20:35 |
| lisette | how? | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | well, get a list of all userIds from the users table | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | create a user object for each one | 20:36 |
| lisette | yes | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, wait a sec | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI does not know the user's password | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | only the hashed password | 20:36 |
| lisette | oh, yes | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a list of passwords, from a user import? | 20:37 |
| lisette | i have the password | 20:37 |
| lisette | yes | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | well, then it is a little more difficult, but still doable | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | get the list of userIds | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and usernames from the db table | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | get the password from the password list that you have | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | then use WebGUI's email interface to send the emails | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you may want to limit how many emails you send per second, so you don't bury spectre and your SMTP server | 20:38 |
| lisette | yes, i know | 20:39 |
| lisette | thanks | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the email interface is in WebGUI::Inbox | 20:40 |
| lisette | doesn't WebGUI::Mail::Send? | 20:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6354 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: collect all code that deletes files in one place. Do not call it yet | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yes. Sorry. My bad. It is WebGUI::Mail::Send | 20:42 |
| lisette | thanks. | 20:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | heads up everybody: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/colons-invalidate-your-begin-and-end-blocks.html#comments | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I found and fixed a bunch of these (that I wrote) in the test suite | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the rest of the core is fine | 21:27 |
| @rizen | yo mamma | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | she would have known better | 21:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6355 /WebGUI/t/ (11 files in 6 dirs): remove colons from END blocks, so they actually act like END blocks | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: working with packages for templates sucks | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not editable with vim anymore | 21:41 |
| @rizen | that's what's cool about it | 21:43 |
| @rizen | oh, and yes they are editable with vim | 21:43 |
| @rizen | all you have to do is extract the package | 21:43 |
| @rizen | .wgpkg file is just a tgz file | 21:43 |
| @rizen | and inside it's nice friendly editable JSON | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, but... | 21:44 |
| @rizen | there's no buts | 21:44 |
| * perlDreamer prefers his JSON hidden behind several layers of perl API | 21:44 | |
| @rizen | and it is | 21:44 |
| @rizen | that layer is called WebGUI | 21:44 |
| @rizen | edit the damn templates in webgui like everyone else. =) | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | eek! | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ...okay... | 21:45 |
| @rizen | eek? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I "eek" when yelled at | 21:45 |
| @rizen | why eek? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | i yelled? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | oh cuz i said damn? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | does that mean i'm yelling? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | "eek" is better than ~squit~ | 21:46 |
| @rizen | damn is an adjective for me | 21:46 |
| @rizen | i just use it in normal speech | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 21:46 |
| @rizen | if i was yelling I WOULD TALK LIKE THIS *or* *like* *this* | 21:46 |
| @rizen | btw, i'm absolutely sure i've broken that BEGIN: vs BEGIN thing before | 21:47 |
| @rizen | maybe not in webgui | 21:47 |
| @rizen | but i'm sure i've done it | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I know I have | 21:47 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | /msg rizen if I have issues I'd like to discuss with the contract, whom would I talk to? | 21:51 |
| +perlmonkey2 | whups | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: always safer to do AIM :) | 21:52 |
| @rizen | pm2, me | 21:57 |
| @rizen | if you have a skype account you can call me | 21:57 |
| @rizen | plainblackguy | 21:57 |
| @rizen | otherwise, we can talk via phone you should have my number from the emails i've sent you in the past | 21:58 |
| @rizen | or we can do it via email | 21:58 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | rizen: I emailed you | 22:02 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Heh, a single P42.8Ghz w/ 1GB ram and an untuned source install of WebGUI is currently running 50 grad students taking long surveys as fast as they can read and click, and it is actually working just fine. | 22:28 |
| * perlmonkey2 is totally amazed. | 22:28 | |
| ckotil | nice | 22:32 |
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| * apeiron has been reading phdcomics.com for a while. | 22:46 | |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Are you sure they're actually taking the survey and not sleeping at the computer? :D | 22:46 |
| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hah, yes they have finsihed they're finals and the semester is over. But they are being forced, on the last Friday of the year, after all their work is done, to stay in office and complete the same survey over and over. | 22:47 |
| @apeiron | ha | 22:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing this is the worst thrashing the survey will ever take :P | 22:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the log is scrolling far faster than i could hope to read | 22:47 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, You could use WWW::Mech to give it a worse thrashing... | 22:48 |
| @apeiron | >:) | 22:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: would take some work as there is a lot of javascript invovled, so the mech would have to know a lot more logic than just 'fill out this form' | 22:49 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Oh, well, hrmph. | 22:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hmm, actually I dno't think it would be that hard. | 22:50 |
| +perlmonkey2 | id generate will always be unique, or should that be tested for? | 23:07 |
| +perlmonkey2 | 22^80 (or whatever it is) is probably random enough to be unique enough? | 23:08 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or 80^22 I guess | 23:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: what do you think of git? | 23:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: git? I've never used it, but read about it. I guess it has superior branching/merging than svn, so might be superior in that regard. | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | are you subscribed to the dev list? | 00:00 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Nope. Lots of sexy stuff going on there? | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/subversion-vs-git | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | recently, yes | 00:01 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | just read up a bit more on git and remembered what I liked so much. The local repositories that are automagically shared as branches to everyone else. I *really* dig that idea. | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, so if you'd like another dev to check out something you're doing, you don't need a private branch in the main repo | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or need to pollute the main repo | 00:07 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | an emulation of svn and cvs are nice additions if you like your old tools/guis :) | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | alright, did everyone do their homework and get 1 major corporation or government agency to start using WebGUI yesterday? | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, we don't listen to marketing dudes whose name rhymes with mephisto | 00:10 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Plus, I think it woudl make it easier to branch your own private branches. For instance, if I'm doing something and decide I want to try a radical change. I'd like to have a new branch rather than looking back through the messages and seeing which comment was the radical change so I can revert. | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | actually... it's pronounced as if it was spelled tay-vee-sto | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | so now you shall listen! | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | eek! | 00:11 |
| @tavisto | I've got 100k in award money for those of you that completed your task (pending a large rockstar was signed) | 00:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hmm, I have a lot of contacts of web designers who use PHP stuff. But they're targeting small companies who want the $5/month hosters. Probably would be fine for PB's $20/month plan if they learned how powerful (and safe) it is over the PHPnuke-clones. | 00:12 |
| @tavisto | that's where the webgui lite comes into play | 00:13 |
| @tavisto | or a version of it anyway. I love the fact that we can throw a laundry list of features at small businesses... but back in the day when I was a reseller most never used half of what they thought was cool initially | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:15 |
| @tavisto | dumbing down WebGUI to Godaddy's Website Tonight would work well for that sector | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I was looking at these guys: http://jobs.perl.org/job/8618 and thinking PhotoGallery clients | 00:15 |
| @tavisto | wow that's going to be a project. | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | w e b g u i | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it's much better than that old CGI stuff | 00:18 |
| @tavisto | yes from the sounds of it, that would be a good match | 00:18 |
| @tavisto | could combine new e-commerce w/ photo gallery | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah. C2 would be great with that | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe y'all should start combing the online perl job sites and sending in quotes for stuff like that | 00:19 |
| @tavisto | that's not a bad idea. But you also know that you're eligible to do that as well right? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have enough time to do stuff like that | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd have to go full time | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and without the contracts up front, that's daunting | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | besides, I give JT all my best ideas | 00:20 |
| @tavisto | If you were to connect with a person like that and get them to "see things our way" you'd get a referral bonus | 00:20 |
| @tavisto | not much work or time involved in that | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 00:20 |
| @tavisto | me, jay, or Vrby are the ones that would have to do that work | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | jay? | 00:20 |
| @tavisto | ie. I'm going thru a 25 page RFP right now trying to pick apart what WebGUI can and can't do for a potential customer... blah.. that's the kinda stuff we would do for you | 00:21 |
| @tavisto | Jay is a sales guy | 00:21 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Hi SquOnk | 00:26 |
| @tavisto | howdy | 00:26 |
| SquOnk | rizen: The upload was succesful. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 00:26 |
| @tavisto | sweet | 00:26 |
| SquOnk | rizen: webgui is in the incoming queue. That means it will be available on Debian Sid on sunday | 00:26 |
| SquOnk | Sid is already on Perl 5.10 therefore is important to test thoroughly since Perl 5.8 will NOT be available in Sid. | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk, do you know how to run the test suite? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | none of us have a 5.10 sitting around | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if you do, then you could run the suite for us to check things out | 00:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | if fedora 9 ever comes out, I'll have 5.10 ready to test with. | 00:35 |
| SquOnk | perlbot: Yes | 00:39 |
| perlbot | No! | 00:39 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, I know how to run the test suite. | 00:39 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's what I'm going to run. | 00:40 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But remember that Debian runs on i386, amd64, ia64, alpha, sparc, powerpc and many more :-) | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yes | 00:40 |
| * perlDreamer is ready for a storm of bug fixing and new uses | 00:40 | |
| +perlDreamer | users | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | fedora 9 is out in 4 days | 00:41 |
| @rizen | thanks for the update SquOnk | 00:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can test directly on i386, amd64, sparc, powerpc and alpha... | 00:41 |
| SquOnk | (and will test :-) | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. Thanks, SquOnk | 00:42 |
| SquOnk | The next improvement will be automatica database creating and upgrading | 00:42 |
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| itnomad | I am using dynamic dns to point a registered domain name to my current ip address. When trying to connect remotely to my WebGUI website, I get the Bad Gateway error. I have been googling and searching the help on the Plain Black and DynDNS web sites. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding a solution? I am using CentOS 5.1 and have no problems connecting from any of the computers on my intranet to my WebGUI website. | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | does your ISP block port 80 traffic? | 01:30 |
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| itnomad | no. I've run Apache from home for a couple of years with no problems connecting by the current ip address, whatever that might be at the time. As I understand it, WebGUI needs a hostname to work. That's how I got involved with DynDNS. | 01:32 |
| itnomad | The error message I get appears to come from the error directory of the wre installation. But I'm not sure of that. | 01:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | itnomad: Can you pastebin some of the errors? | 01:33 |
| itnomad | Proxy server received invalid response from an upstream server. Is the only error I have seen. I can't seem to find the http error logs. | 01:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | /data/wre/var/logs? | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | itnomad, I think I've seen an article on the wiki about DynDNS and WRE setups | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the wiki at webgui.org | 01:37 |
| itnomad | the one from fishingfan? I've been reading it, but can't seem to find helpful info there. | 01:38 |
| itnomad | cool, I've got the logs now. | 01:39 |
| metanil | does pagination in folder asset works by default? | 01:39 |
| itnomad | It looks like I may need to open up port 8081 | 01:40 |
| itnomad | I'm heading home to give that a try:) | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: The Folder does not paginate. | 01:40 |
| @preaction_ | itnomad, only the mod_proxy WRE instance needs to be able to hit 8081, but the mod_proxy wre instance uses the site's ServerName to try to reach it | 01:41 |
| metanil | perlDreamer, suppose i have 100 files within that folder ? :D | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: Then it will be slow :( | 01:42 |
| metanil | :( | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | itnomad: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/setting-up-the-wre-when-your-isp-block-port-80 | 01:42 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the wiki article I remembered | 01:42 |
| @preaction_ | 100 isn't much, 1000 would be slow | 01:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: the product Sku is working now | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs some polish, but it can show a basic form for buying a variant, and it correctly adds itself to the cart | 01:44 |
| wgGuest61 | Hi I have a question about the Colaboration System template's | 01:45 |
| wgGuest61 | In the default submission template, in the atacchment loop line | 01:46 |
| wgGuest61 | How can i to diference the atacchmen file | 01:46 |
| itnomad | perlDreamer: that article looks like it could be helpful. Thanks, all. | 01:46 |
| wgGuest61 | When an user atach a mp3 file show a special line | 01:47 |
| wgGuest61 | and when an user atach a flv file show other difrent line | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest61: You would need to use a more advanced templating system than the default one that WebGUI uses | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template::Expr, or TemplateToolkit | 01:55 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6356 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): form elements for buying a variant of a product | 01:58 |
| wgGuest61 | How can i use this template? | 02:05 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | f00li5h: hello? what's up? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest61: You start by installing it from CPAN. Then you add it to the list of WebGUI template plugins in your site's webgui configuration file. Then you edit the template and change ALL of the templating syntax to match your new templating system. | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | this link has more details: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and I would recommend searching the wiki and forum for more information | 02:13 |
| wgGuest61 | Tks perldreamer | 02:14 |
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| wgGuest61 | Oki | 02:16 |
| wgGuest61 | Tks | 02:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6357 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix i18n for buy button in the Product | 02:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6358 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: begin adding inventory control overrides of parent class | 02:24 |
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| f00li5h | perlmonkey2: =^_^= | 02:35 |
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| pilaf153 | I have installed webgui and started editing the menu. I loggout out for a while and came back but now it is tell me it is locked under another version tag. I only have on version tag listed the one I was using before. Is there anyway to unlock flexmenu | 04:46 |
| @preaction_ | pilaf153, join the version tag again | 04:47 |
| @preaction_ | alternatively, delete the version tag | 04:48 |
| pilaf153 | I made sure I am currently using the version tag | 04:48 |
| @preaction_ | did you commit the version tag? | 04:48 |
| pilaf153 | no | 04:48 |
| pilaf153 | If I delete it you think it will work | 04:49 |
| @preaction_ | most likely, but i don't know | 04:49 |
| pilaf153 | I have no prpblem trying that if thats what will do it | 04:49 |
| pilaf153 | oh ok | 04:49 |
| pilaf153 | that did it thanks | 04:51 |
| @preaction_ | you can disable that version tag stuff if you want | 04:52 |
| pilaf153 | what happens if I do | 04:53 |
| @preaction_ | on the Settings pane in the admin console, Content tab, Auto-Commit Changes and Skip Commit Comments, turn them both to on | 04:53 |
| pilaf153 | just any changes that are made will be made | 04:53 |
| @preaction_ | your changes will get committed automatically | 04:53 |
| pilaf153 | would it matter if I have multiple users making changes | 04:53 |
| @preaction_ | there is still technically a version tag, you can still roll back, but it just gets committed right away | 04:53 |
| pilaf153 | I see | 04:54 |
| @preaction_ | no, it shouldn't be affected, except that things won't be locked for long | 04:54 |
| @preaction_ | a few seconds to a minute, or more if you have an approval process | 04:54 |
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| KennyBoy | Hi there :) I'm considering using webGUI and I'm trying to figure out: can/does WebGUI use persistent database connections (Apache::DBI)? Does anyone know? | 16:43 |
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| pilaf153 | I was wondering if anyone could help with cool menus. I have it set up so it is a verticle menu and when the user mouseovers the next level menus flow vertical as well but they cover the other sections of the menu. Is there a way for cool menus to "push" down the other menu labels so it is more or less expanding the menu? | 20:26 |
| pilaf153 | If that cant happen I also found this macro | 20:28 |
| pilaf153 | http://www.webgui.org/page_tree_menu_macro#JV6ldy52y8Cxi3x_45EAPQ | 20:28 |
| pilaf153 | but I have no clue how to use macros | 20:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6359 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: override addToCart in the Product Sku for doing inventory control | 07:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6360 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Email.pm: forward porting email fix from 7.4 | 08:16 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:02 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6361 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (gradient-glossy.png survey.css administersurvey.js): Added 500ms delay during 1 button page clicks. | 17:24 |
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| dionak | hola | 17:45 |
| estiven | Hola | 17:48 |
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| webgeek | i have 3 queries in 1 report. the first and second one depend on the value from the first. how can i display the data for the third outside of the nested query 2 | 18:02 |
| webgeek | as soon as i close the query 2 loop no data for the third displays | 18:03 |
| dionak | off the top of my head, i recall having to embed the loops. so to get the data for query 3, i had to be in the query2 rows loop | 18:04 |
| dionak | and likewise for query1 | 18:04 |
| webgeek | thats what i am finding but query 3 has a param from query 1 not query 2 so i don't want it nested | 18:06 |
| dionak | you lost me there but could you not customize the template to show only the data you want? This is our general practice | 18:08 |
| webgeek | query 1 gets me departments. query 2 gets me courses for that department. query 3 gets me faculy for that department from a different data link | 18:09 |
| webgeek | when i edit the sql report template i try to close the query 2 loop and then display query 3 and i get no data | 18:10 |
| dionak | the queries are actually 'chained' if you look at the sqlreport code. each one works off the results of the previous query. | 18:11 |
| dionak | which is why query2 can't be closed and then query3 accessed. | 18:12 |
| dionak | be back...meeting | 18:13 |
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| lisette | i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop? | 18:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: You ready to talk inventory? | 19:27 |
| @rizen | perhaps | 19:29 |
| lisette | i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop? | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | while (my $hashRef = $statementHandle->hashRef) { # ??? | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | would need to see more code to really answer that question | 19:34 |
| lisette | my $result = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($sql, $dbh); | 19:34 |
| lisette | $result->execute(); | 19:34 |
| lisette | my %rs = $result->hash; | 19:34 |
| lisette | while(%rs){ | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | almost, the last two statements can be combined | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | while (my %rs = $result->hash) { | 19:35 |
| lisette | ok, this works? | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it looks fine | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I need to check the ResultSet call | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | prepare may not want a db handle | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, that's fine | 19:36 |
| lisette | how? | 19:36 |
| lisette | ok | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: let me know when you're ready then | 19:37 |
| @rizen | i am i'm just screwing with you | 19:38 |
| * perlDreamer checks the top of his head of slots | 19:38 | |
| +perlDreamer | so, what is your flow for inventory management | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | On addToCart, do I need to do anything? | 19:38 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:39 |
| @rizen | it works like this: | 19:39 |
| @rizen | you modify addToCart so that it subtracts one from the inventory | 19:39 |
| @rizen | if there is one | 19:39 |
| @rizen | you should check to make sure you have enough for the first add | 19:39 |
| @rizen | in addToCart | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and if there isn't? exception? | 19:39 |
| @rizen | that's up to you | 19:40 |
| @rizen | the only thing | 19:40 |
| @rizen | that will ever call addToCart | 19:40 |
| @rizen | is your www_ method | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:40 |
| @rizen | then you also fill in the getQuantityAvailable method | 19:41 |
| @rizen | and that's what the cart will use to let the user modify the quantities in teh cart | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and from there, all the on* subs that might touch quantities | 19:42 |
| @rizen | oh wait | 19:43 |
| @rizen | i take that back | 19:43 |
| @rizen | you should check the quanity available in your addToCart method | 19:43 |
| @rizen | only if you want to throw an exception or whatever | 19:43 |
| @rizen | the onAdjustQuantityInCart method is where you should actually put the code that modifies inventory | 19:44 |
| @rizen | that and onRemoveFromCart | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and onRefund? | 19:44 |
| @rizen | yeah all the onMethods as you said | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that's pretty clear | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'll make it an exception (just to continue good practice). | 19:46 |
| @rizen | don't throw exceptions in the onMethods though | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | only addToCart | 19:47 |
| @rizen | cuz the cart will just think something bad happened | 19:47 |
| @rizen | it won't try to correct the something bad | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and you're checking getQuantityAvailable anyway | 19:48 |
| @rizen | right | 19:48 |
| @rizen | if you have any special reason to do so you may also want to change the getMaxAllowedInCart method | 19:48 |
| @rizen | by default it just calls getQuantityAvailable though | 19:48 |
| @rizen | so you probably don't need to modify it | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like that would be a LimitedQuantityProduct :) | 19:49 |
| @rizen | well for example, in the EMS, there may be 1000 tickets available, but you can only buy 1 | 19:50 |
| @rizen | so they are different there | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think I need to do that for the basic Product. | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it can either be sub-classed or RFE'd in later | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I am more more worried about onRefund, due to a design issue with the JSON collateral | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been using the index in the JSON array as a unique identifier | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and as long as only the Asset accesses its collateral, that works fine | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but for onRefund, that could happen a while later | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and the collateral could be reordered between now and then | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so index is not a good solution | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought about using variant sku, but it's not guaranteed unique by the system | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you think it would be better to add a GUID to the collateral, or to make sure that variant skus are unique to a product? | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | yup | 19:54 |
| @rizen | add a guid | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I was kind of leaning that way, but then I realized that if variant skus are not unique that they won't be able to do an inventory sync. | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | but a guid will be useful in other cases anyway | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get the inventory control and product manager (import/export) done by the end of the month. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | If I get done early, I'll ask for other things to help out. | 19:59 |
| @rizen | sweet dood cuz i'm getting crushed | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, blocking on C2 time due to $dayJob? | 20:00 |
| @rizen | yup | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can, make a list with lots of little subtasks. That way they can be farmed out. | 20:01 |
| @rizen | yeah, when i get time | 20:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:02 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): finalize template variable names for the variant buy form. Add help for template variables and i18n | 20:50 |
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| metanil | what is the best way to do a form post in webgui way? like i could create form using template and submit.. but how i'm supposed to handle the submission and returning back other page? | 22:39 |
| @preaction_ | metanil, an asset | 22:39 |
| metanil | preaction_: :D | 22:40 |
| @rizen | actually...a content handler | 22:40 |
| metanil | ? | 22:40 |
| metanil | content handler is the part of asset isn't it? | 22:41 |
| @preaction_ | no, you can write your own content handlers | 22:42 |
| metanil | i search the wiki for it but couldn't get anything about it.. | 22:44 |
| @preaction_ | look at lib/WebGUI/Content/*.pm, the Operation.pm would probably be the easiest to understand. there's nothing complicated about them | 22:45 |
| metanil | thnx | 22:46 |
| metanil | i guess i don't have lib/WebGUI/Content directory. | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | they're added in 7.5 | 22:48 |
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| metanil | i got 7.4.17-stable | 22:48 |
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| @tavisto | Has anyone seen this windows install document from Signal Mountain? | 23:08 |
| @tavisto | http://www.signalmountain.co.uk/uploads/Installing_WebGui_on_Windows_V2.pdf | 23:08 |
| @tavisto | I think the 5th box is incorrect as the c:\data\wre\sbin\services\windows directories aren't created yet? | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the whole thing is wrong, since the WRE includes perl | 23:10 |
| @tavisto | THAT's what I didn't understand either. | 23:10 |
| @tavisto | but I haven't done a windows install.. heh. But I was pretty certain that all of the perl modules were included already :) | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | not only the modules, but perl itself | 23:11 |
| @tavisto | I just got off the phone with a potential customer that was kinda confused at this document. It was added to the wiki instructions but probably isn't helping newbs much | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a handy little link for emailing him about errors mailto:feedback@signalmountain.co.uk | 23:12 |
| @tavisto | yeah I know, I just wanted to verify this thing was jacked up. Do you see anything else that sticks out as incorrect | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | not in that document, but we have 3 hits for WRE windows in the wiki, and I don't think they all jive | 23:14 |
| metanil | is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Assets are essentially the same as Wobjects | 23:17 |
| @tavisto | yeah there used to be 5 different WRE and windows documents and on one of our staff bug fixer days I went in and got rid of some duplication | 23:22 |
| @tavisto | however, there's more work to do. I often times think that some of the official instructional wiki posts should be locked to prevent erroneous information being added to the documents that people access most when they first start using WebGUI. Although then again that kinda defeats the purpose of the wiki :) | 23:25 |
| +perlDreamer | true, that | 23:26 |
| @preaction_ | tavisto, i still maintain that the ability to subscribe to wiki posts would solve that problem, since an editor could maintain it | 23:29 |
| @apeiron | preaction_, Well-volunteered | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | that's true pre | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | I still think that is a great idea/solution as well. | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's how wikipedia works | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | iirc | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | it would end the murdering of valid wiki posts :) | 23:29 |
| @preaction_ | pd: exactly | 23:30 |
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| metanil | is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki? | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: Assets are essentially Wobjects | 23:33 |
| @preaction_ | metanil, you can use the wobject development tutorial to develop an asset | 23:33 |
| @preaction_ | Wobject is a subclass of Asset | 23:33 |
| metanil | why is the first question in that tutorial looks like "Should I build an asset rather than a wobject?" | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so you know which one to subclass | 23:33 |
| @preaction_ | asset is lower-level, you most likely want wobject | 23:34 |
| metanil | hmm.. gr8 | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | tell us what you're trying to do, metanil | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | Hey Charley | 23:38 |
| Charley | hey. anyone here very familiar with the event calendar? | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | how familiar is "very" familiar? | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | iow, what's up? | 23:39 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot anyone | 23:40 |
| perlbot | Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help. | 23:40 |
| Charley | ha. My site is centered. But, when I click the "add event", my template moves over to the left. | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | for the add event form only? | 23:41 |
| Charley | the entire site moves over to the left | 23:41 |
| Charley | click on "Add" under community calendar: http://web402.plainblack.net/ | 23:41 |
| @preaction_ | sounds like a bad template | 23:41 |
| @preaction_ | bad template <-> style interaction | 23:42 |
| @preaction_ | and i'll agree, the add event template is horrible | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | if you click on the recurrence tab, it moves even farther to the left | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but outside the form it's fine | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | so, only your editors will see this | 23:43 |
| @tavisto | in Safari 3.0 this site is not centered | 23:44 |
| @preaction_ | no, it's a bug. i could've swore i fixed this back in 7.4.23 | 23:44 |
| @tavisto | top horizontal nav is centered though | 23:45 |
| Charley | actually, I have it set where the general public can enter events, so the public will be able to see it jump to the left. Which is not so bad, but my menu stays centered. So it's a little messed up looking. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd file the bug, since the last 7.4 bug release is not too far off in the future | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | all new stuff will happen in 7.5 | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: I merged the Form/Email dot fix into 7.5. Will all others happen en masse for the 7.5.11 release? | 23:47 |
| @Haarg | other things from 7.4 you mean? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i'll be merging them | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, sorry for being impatient | 23:48 |
| @tavisto | Charley, I saw you purchased a new server today. Are you already starting the new South Ark project/site? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, he's done a bunch already | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks quite nice | 23:49 |
| * perlDreamer starts drooling about spudnuts | 23:49 | |
| @tavisto | hehe sweet, I lose track of such things b/c I talk to so many peeps.. But that's great | 23:50 |
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| dionak | how do you get a list of everything from perlbot | 00:00 |
| dionak | ? | 00:00 |
| dionak | seems handy and funny | 00:00 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, source | 00:01 |
| perlbot | check out my insides: http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3 | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 00:01 |
| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip) | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak: if you want a list of what it's learned, that's another story | 00:01 |
| @apeiron | http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3/data/facts.db has everything it seems. | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot factoids | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot keywords | 00:01 |
| perlbot | Check out all the things I know: http://www.chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi Don't want to see the port and country TLD facts? http://chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi?noports=1&nocountries=1 | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot is populated by ... well, denizens of #perl, so uber-geeks and social misfits. you were warned | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron, reading sqlite dbs is not fun :/ | 00:03 |
| @rizen | hiring web designers is WAY harder than hiring programmers | 00:03 |
| dionak | true | 00:03 |
| Charley | tavisto, how do you know about spudnuts? | 00:06 |
| @tavisto | I see all of the sales @ Plain Black. | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | this is Tavis | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | :) | 00:07 |
| @tavisto | I dont know about spudnuts... but I'm assuming you're referring to whatever this new server is for | 00:07 |
| Charley | Hey! I figured. I guess that was Perldreamer drooling over the spudnuts. | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | mmmm | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | spudnuts | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, if there was some BBQ nearby that would do, too | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | what is that? | 00:08 |
| Charley | sooo, how do you know about our claim to fame? | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | perlbot spudnuts | 00:08 |
| Charley | they are heavenly | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | I read this awesome website about El Dorado, Arkansas | 00:08 |
| Charley | donuts made from potato flour | 00:08 |
| Charley | ha! | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | wow | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, they have them in Tri-Cities Washington, too | 00:08 |
| @tavisto | So Charley is this server for the South Ark proj then? | 00:09 |
| Charley | really? I had no idea. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | The Spudnut Shop | 00:09 |
| Charley | the one I purchased today is for the college I'm working at. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | right on George Washington way | 00:09 |
| Charley | we're getting ready to redo our site. I convinced our CIO to go with WebGUI. | 00:09 |
| @tavisto | cool, I have a hard time keeping up with all your projects.. When we talked originally I remember you developed for like the who town | 00:09 |
| @tavisto | whole town even | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: spudnuts is donuts made from potato flour | 00:10 |
| perlbot | added spudnuts to the database | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | that's great. | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | perlbot JT Smith likes small pillows | 00:10 |
| Charley | Yes. The one we're launching tomorrow (and having issues with the event calendar) is for the city of El Dorado, AR. | 00:10 |
| @tavisto | yeah I looked at the URL you posted... BTW.. it wasn't centered for Safari 3 | 00:11 |
| Charley | They are doing a big launch at the Arkansas Welcome Center. So, everything has got to be perfected by tomorrow. | 00:11 |
| Charley | any ideas on how to keep it from moving to the left when adding an event? | 00:11 |
| Charley | i messed with the css, but could make no headway. | 00:11 |
| @tavisto | well, I'm talking about the site design in general.. not on the form | 00:11 |
| @tavisto | the navigation on the home page stays centered | 00:12 |
| Charley | ah. well, crap. | 00:12 |
| Charley | yeah. | 00:12 |
| @tavisto | however in firefox 2 the whole site design is centered | 00:12 |
| @preaction_ | Charley, if i'm not mistaken, there's an extra </td></tr></table> in the template somewhere | 00:12 |
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| Charley | ok. in the event calendar "add/edit event" template? | 00:12 |
| @preaction_ | yes | 00:13 |
| Charley | i'll check it out. thanks. | 00:13 |
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| Charley | preaction, I believe you are correct! It still moves a little to the left, but I think that may be due to the width of the HTMLArea. Do you know how to edit the width of the HTMLArea box? | 00:20 |
| @preaction_ | it's just a Rich Edit, i don't know if you can set which rich edit from the Calendar's properties, but that would be my first choice | 00:22 |
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| @preaction_ | also don't know if you can edit the width of the rich editor from the Rich Edit properties | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | Charley: Are you coming to the WUC? | 00:29 |
| juan | i had configured a survey and i was checking the statistical overview and every i was checking the view grade book to verify the number of users that had answering it | 00:31 |
| juan | today i was checking again and i find the view grade book without entries | 00:31 |
| juan | i don't know what happened? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | is there data in the database? | 00:32 |
| juan | i am checking | 00:33 |
| Charley | also, when I'm in the Edit section, the font on my coolmenu changes to 8px. | 00:34 |
| Charley | When is the WUC? | 00:35 |
| @tavisto | Aug 28th-29th | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | August 27th and 28th, in Madison, Wisconsin | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 00:35 |
| @tavisto | the workshops are on the 26th and 27th | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | my bad | 00:36 |
| @tavisto | dude wtf... there's a dumb typo on wuc site right now... says 2007! | 00:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Charley: I wonder how much it would cost to hire someone to come up with a good xhtml menu system? | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | a plainblack staffer should fix that, tavisto :) | 00:36 |
| @tavisto | on it | 00:37 |
| @tavisto | that's why im not talking atm | 00:37 |
| juan | perlDreamer, i am checking in the survey_response table and there is not data | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that explains why the gradebook is empty | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but not why the data is gone | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, the Survey does have a way to delete all data, built into the UI | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's possible that somebody hit it | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | you can check the Apache logs for a url that looks like func=deleteAllResponses.* | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | also, do you have backups of the database that you could use to restore the data? | 00:40 |
| juan | i am going to check | 00:42 |
| Charley | End of August? Yes, I think I can definately do that. | 00:46 |
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| juan | perlDreamer, if I don't want to restore all the tables in the database, can i restore only the tables related to the survey? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | eys | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | edit the backup file to only contain those tables | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm glad you have a backup | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | A lot of people don't set them up | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Please consider this as an informal RFE. | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have a deleteAllResponses method, please log it explicitly in the WebGUI log file | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | who did it and when | 01:10 |
| @apeiron | And probably which survey it affects, neh? | 01:11 |
| juan | ok | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, good one, apeiron! | 01:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, good idea | 01:11 |
| +perlmonkey2 | apeiron: also good idea. So the admin knows who's butt to kick. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | $self->locate('offender')->butt({action => 'kick', force => 'maximum'}); | 01:13 |
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| juan | perlDreamer, | 01:44 |
| juan | i have something strange, i have restored the data and all was ok and after some minutes the data disappear again | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, it is possible that your database is corrupted. | 01:46 |
| juan | and is happening with this specific survey | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | there are other surveys that are okay? | 01:46 |
| juan | yes | 01:47 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: remove out of date collateral comments and fix a POD typo | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | did you check the apache logs for that url that I mentioned earlier? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | is it possible that someone else from your team is messing around on the site? | 01:48 |
| juan | perlDreamer, i have another question, in this site i have always some workflows that always have status waiting and never disappear for suspended workflows | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | which workflows are they? | 02:02 |
| juan | Commit With Approval | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | they are probably waiting for approval | 02:03 |
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| juan | but i don't have pending commits in the site | 02:06 |
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| Charley | hey. I have a serious dns problem. We had a webspace set up at web368.plainblack.net. We upgraded and our new address is web402.plainblack.net. When I transferred the dns for GoElDorado.com it is coming up with our old site on web368.plainblack.net. What can I do? | 02:20 |
| Charley | it needs to show the site at web402.plainblack.net | 02:20 |
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| metanil | i got this messages comping every 3 minutes on my modproxy.error.log file.. any idea whats the problem is? | 02:28 |
| metanil | oops .. and the message is in http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7bf65a75 | 02:35 |
| @preaction_ | someone's sending SIGTERM to the apache processes, meaning most likely someone is forcibly shutting them down | 02:36 |
| @preaction_ | or, the wremonitor is doing it | 02:36 |
| @preaction_ | which would explain the every three minutes thing | 02:36 |
| @preaction_ | wremonitor may not be able to contact your webserver, so it tries restarting it | 02:37 |
| @preaction_ | you may not have the e-mail address configured properly, so you don't get the e-mail that the wre monitor sends you | 02:37 |
| metanil | hmm.. ya i just saw that my apache is restarting every 3 minutes (i guess, cause the pid is changing ) | 02:39 |
| metanil | preaction_: you got to see this wremonitor.log http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2fbbbe15 | 02:43 |
| @preaction_ | okay, so it's restarting the mod proxy instance | 02:43 |
| metanil | yes | 02:43 |
| metanil | every three minute | 02:43 |
| metanil | you said that wremonitor is not able to contact to webserver.. (BTW, i use SSL) | 02:45 |
| @preaction_ | it's not able to contact the webserver from the front-end (using an http request), so it restarts it | 02:46 |
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| metanil | ohhhh.. make lots of sense | 02:48 |
| metanil | preaction: and there is no any service on port 80.. (only used 443) | 02:49 |
| metanil | i disabled it.. because i'm using 443 | 02:49 |
| @preaction_ | which is probably why the wremonitor can't contact the web server | 02:49 |
| metanil | hmm.. | 02:49 |
| metanil | i see eval{$service->ping} in wremonitor.pl | 02:50 |
| metanil | is it good to change it? | 02:50 |
| @preaction_ | probably not | 02:50 |
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| metanil | :) | 02:52 |
| metanil | then how do i change it ping on HTTPS not on HTTP | 02:52 |
| @preaction_ | i don't know | 02:55 |
| @preaction_ | but i'd check /data/wre/etc/wre.conf first | 02:56 |
| metanil | :) | 02:57 |
| @tavisto | my brain = mush | 02:58 |
| @preaction_ | plainblack.com down for anybody else? | 02:59 |
| @tavisto | nope just pulled it | 02:59 |
| @preaction_ | damn | 02:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | nup | 02:59 |
| @tavisto | u suck | 02:59 |
| @preaction_ | at least i have a brain | 03:00 |
| metanil | no.. it working fine for me | 03:00 |
| @tavisto | i have a brain... it's just mushy | 03:00 |
| @tavisto | from too much jibba jabber all day | 03:00 |
| @tavisto | people always want to know about this WebGUI thing.. I tell them I have no idea what they're talking about | 03:01 |
| @tavisto | wrong number | 03:01 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 03:01 |
| metanil | preaction_: i change "modproxyPort" from 80 to 443.. | 03:05 |
| metanil | preaction_: i guess its working fine now.. thanks | 03:05 |
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| metanil | can i add comment in a post in Collaboration (Template->Photo Gallery)? | 04:37 |
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| hankins | DNS emergency. When we first set up our webspace it was at web368.plainblack.net. We upgraded and our new webspace is http://web402.plainblack.net. I changed the DNS of GoElDorado.com (the website we are redoing) to cold.plainblack.net and frozen.plainblack.net. Everything transferred fine, but some people are seeing the old site at web368.plainblack.net. Can we get that looked at quickly? We can just kill that site if you like. I wouldn't normally | 05:18 |
| hankins | can anyone help me out here? | 05:18 |
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| @apeiron | hankins, How long ago was this? It looks like a simple propagation issue to me. | 05:27 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, dns a goeldorado.com | 05:28 |
| perlbot | Record not found. | 05:28 |
| @apeiron | ... silly bot | 05:28 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, host a goeldorado.com | 05:29 |
| perlbot | goeldorado.com has address 66.98.130.53 | 05:29 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, host a web402.plainblack.net | 05:29 |
| perlbot | web402.plainblack.net is an alias for dusk.plainblack.net. :: dusk.plainblack.net has address 66.98.130.53 | 05:29 |
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| neild | Need help with new theme using YAML | 06:00 |
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| hankins | apeiron, sorry, I was away. did you get anything worked out? | 06:33 |
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| @apeiron | hankins, The host is resolving as it should for me according to what you've told me. goeldorado.com -> 66.98.130.53. web402.plainblack.net -> 66.98.130.53. | 06:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | sounds more like a caching issue to me | 06:40 |
| @apeiron | Could be that, too | 06:40 |
| hankins | if you are getting a purple site then it is going to the wrong site. | 06:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's no way you can force users to update their dns really.. if they have the old one cached still | 06:40 |
| hankins | the new site is green. | 06:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm getting purple | 06:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | and never been to the site | 06:41 |
| @apeiron | Green here, was there this afternoon. | 06:41 |
| hankins | right. that's the one at web368.plainblack.net | 06:41 |
| hankins | it needs to be the one at web402.plainblack.net | 06:41 |
| hankins | purple=old, bad | 06:42 |
| hankins | green=new,good | 06:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | goeldorado.com has address 207.44.136.120 | 06:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | sure that all of your dns providers are providing the right info? | 06:43 |
| hankins | i don't know. I have the domain at godaddy. i pointed the nameservers to cold.plainblack.net and frozen.plainblack.net | 06:44 |
| hankins | do i need to change it to dusk.plainblack.net or something else? | 06:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | well dns can often take 12-48 hours to fully propagate | 06:44 |
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| @apeiron | ahh, frozen isn't updated properly. | 06:45 |
| hankins | ah. yes? | 06:45 |
| @apeiron | goeldorado.com has address 207.44.136.120 # from frozen.plainblack.com | 06:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | that'd be it then | 06:45 |
| @apeiron | hankins, It's frozen.plainblack.com, not frozen.plainblack.net | 06:45 |
| @apeiron | If you filled in frozen.plainblack.net , that'd explain why that NS wasn't updated. | 06:46 |
| hankins | ah! ok. can we kill that web368.plainblack.net? or Do we need to? | 06:46 |
| hankins | nope. i've got them both set to .com | 06:49 |
| hankins | COLD.PLAINBLACK.COM and FROZEN.PLAINBLACK.COM | 06:49 |
| hankins | sorry. thought that was the problem. | 06:49 |
| @apeiron | hm. For whatever reason, frozen hasn't updated yet. | 06:50 |
| hankins | any way to force the update, or anything along those lines? | 06:51 |
| @apeiron | Honestly not sure; I work at the other end of PB (client dev) so hosting isn't something I get involved with daily. Don't want to give you a wrong answer. | 06:54 |
| hankins | hm. are you getting a green or purple site at goeldorado.com? | 06:57 |
| @apeiron | Green. | 06:59 |
| @apeiron | As we've seen, the two nameservers are in conflict. Radix-wrk here gets a purple one. | 06:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | its random which dns server responds to a particular user | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | I just happened to get the purple one | 07:06 |
| hankins | can we kill the purple page? | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | until they're both in sync there's not much you can do | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | if you do then you'll get nothing | 07:06 |
| hankins | how does it know which one to choose? | 07:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | random | 07:07 |
| hankins | i mean, it needs to choose 402. How do we set that? | 07:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | why not copy all of the changes over to the other site for now? | 07:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | that's what webgui packages are good for | 07:08 |
| hankins | I like that idea. I don't have any experience doing that. | 07:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | then you can sync both sites | 07:08 |
| hankins | sure. | 07:08 |
| hankins | i don't know how one goes about doing that, tho. | 07:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/packages-using | 07:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm pretty sure you can clone an entire webgui site by making the root folder a package | 07:12 |
| +Radix-wrk | if all your changes are under /home - or something like that.. then you could package that up | 07:14 |
| +Radix-wrk | make the package on the green site, then deploy it on the purple site in the same directory | 07:14 |
| hankins | yes. everything is under home. | 07:14 |
| hankins | I'll give that a shot. | 07:16 |
| hankins | well, actually I have pages under home and images and stuff under themes. so, I package them both up. | 07:17 |
| +Radix-wrk | good luck | 07:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm just thinking.. | 07:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | you may need to rename your existing ones.. not sure what packages do if they encounter assets that already exist | 07:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | whether they add as a new revision or go and rename themselves | 07:19 |
| +Radix-wrk | if that's the case then you may need to branch rename the entire home directories on the purple site first before you import the new ones | 07:19 |
| hankins | would i be better off just deleting everything under home and themes? | 07:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | I don't know actually | 07:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | probably.. "All Asset URLs in the Package will be made unique after being deployed." | 07:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | so if the url already exists a new one will be assigned.. not really what you want | 07:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | you'd have to delete and purge the old urls tho or they'll be reserved | 07:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. beginning to sound harder than I thought | 07:28 |
| hankins | thanks. good thought tho. | 07:37 |
| hankins | can you check something for me? are you getting line breaks on this site? http://web402.plainblack.net/ | 07:56 |
| hankins | in IE i get some funky breaks. not in FF. | 07:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | I use firefox here | 08:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | but in firefox 3 beta 5 I get some wierd flickering of the mouse cursor with your page | 08:04 |
| hankins | I've got a table of images. when I link on with an <a href tag, it gives me a 5px between pictures. any thoughts? | 08:16 |
| hankins | only in IE of course | 08:20 |
| hankins | ;) | 08:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | padding or margin defined soemwhere it sounds like | 08:22 |
| hankins | can you use an image mpa in webgui? | 08:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | sure | 08:53 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can do anything in webgui :) | 08:53 |
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| patspam | has anyone seen a spec floating around for Survey 2.0? | 09:30 |
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| hankins | thought I'd check and see if frozen has updated yet. | 10:10 |
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| hankins | HA! I'm such a ditz. I just did a redirect on the home page of web368 to web402. What an idiot I didn't think of that before! dur! | 11:18 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:41 |
| hankins | greetings | 16:54 |
| BartJol | oooh, eeh hi! | 17:06 |
| dionak | halo | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | What do you all think of Google's new FriendConnect stuff? | 17:31 |
| BartJol | well, haven't used it yet, so I don't really have an opinion | 17:35 |
| BartJol | sound a bit like the next facebook, hyves (that's dutch) etc | 17:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | anyone who's interested, Fedora 9 is out a day early. | 17:45 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Only prioblem seems to be a lot of the mirrors haven't chmod'd yet, so jigdo downloads are flaky. But the torrents and main mirrors are working. | 17:46 |
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| lisette | how to create a new session in a macro with a user different of session? | 18:22 |
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| lisette | different of current session | 18:27 |
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| dionak | It looks like you could call WebGUI::Session->user with a userId as an option (hasref) | 18:42 |
| dionak | hasref = hashref | 18:42 |
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| dionak | oh, i take that back. idk | 18:43 |
| dionak | splat_random. what a funny name for a macro | 18:44 |
| lisette | i see perldoc Session.pm and open ( webguiRoot, configFile [, requestObject, serverObject, sessionId, noFuss ] ) | 18:45 |
| lisette | Constructor. Opens a closed ( or new ) WebGUI session. | 18:45 |
| lisette | i use my $session2=WebGUI::Session->new($userId); | 18:46 |
| lisette | and don't works. | 18:46 |
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| lisette | lisette: i see perldoc Session.pm and open ( webguiRoot, configFile [, requestObject, serverObject, sessionId, noFuss ] ) | 19:06 |
| lisette | (10:45:15) lisette: Constructor. Opens a closed ( or new ) WebGUI session. | 19:06 |
| lisette | (10:46:53) lisette: i use my $session2=WebGUI::Session->new($userId); | 19:06 |
| lisette | (10:47:01) lisette: and don't works. | 19:06 |
| lisette | ? | 19:06 |
| @preaction_ | lisette, define "don't work" | 19:07 |
| lisette | no funciona | 19:07 |
| lisette | shows me an error | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | lisette, the new method ->new, is only for creating a session object | 19:07 |
| @preaction_ | which error? | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | once you have a session object, you can call $mySession->user({userId => $newUserId}); | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, you should be sure that you really want a new session object. Maybe you just want a user object instead? | 19:08 |
| lisette | i need the email of an user, but i can do this with a query, right? | 19:09 |
| @preaction_ | you can do it without opening a session | 19:09 |
| @preaction_ | my $user = WebGUI::User->new( $session, $userId ); | 19:09 |
| @preaction_ | my $email = $user->profileField( 'email' ); | 19:10 |
| lisette | ok, i'm going to check. | 19:10 |
| lisette | thank | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: What happened to the smoke runs? | 19:22 |
| @preaction_ | don't know yet, i think something minor went wrong. i'll look into it later today | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, dude | 19:23 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Guys, is there a way to pass variables between Flash and PERL? | 19:39 |
| @preaction_ | javascript may work | 19:39 |
| @preaction_ | javascript and XmlHttpRequest (aka AJAX) | 19:39 |
| JohnRestrepo | But..... | 19:41 |
| JohnRestrepo | An easier way? | 19:41 |
| JohnRestrepo | I mean | 19:41 |
| JohnRestrepo | Something like PHP | 19:41 |
| JohnRestrepo | With the $_POST or $_GET | 19:41 |
| JohnRestrepo | ?? | 19:41 |
| @apeiron | heh, $_POST and $_GET in PHP are accessible via mod_perl. | 19:42 |
| @preaction_ | JohnRestrepo, first you'd need to write ActionScript in Flash to call the appropriate JavaScript method. then you'd write JavaScript to call the appropriate Perl method | 19:43 |
| @preaction_ | these weren't exactly all designed to work well together, but they will work just fine | 19:43 |
| @preaction_ | i'm not sure, but you might be able to get flash to access external URLs for data too, i don't know any of the new flash features since Flash 5 | 19:44 |
| JohnRestrepo | Thanks guys | 19:46 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'll work on it and tell you | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | topsub: what's the deal with your log.conf file? | 20:19 |
| topsub | i just checked out webgui 7.4.36 and set it up and the log.conf file was pointing log file to /var/log/webgui.log | 20:20 |
| topsub | not sure why it changed locations all of a sudden | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | that's funny, because webgui doesn't ship with a log.conf file, only log.conf.original | 20:21 |
| topsub | http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds/7.4.36-stable/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original | 20:21 |
| topsub | ya i mv log.conf.orignal log.conf | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that file hasn't changed since October 12, 2007 | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | on that date, 7.5 was branched | 20:23 |
| topsub | hmm.. not sure why i am just finding it now | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original?rev=3 | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been /var/log/webgui.log since the import into SVN (from CVS) | 20:24 |
| topsub | not sure why its just catching my eye now | 20:24 |
| topsub | just always known it to be /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's through the WRE | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | only through the WRE | 20:24 |
| topsub | ah.. hmmm | 20:30 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the lab | 20:48 | |
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| dionak | hey there fansipans | 23:26 |
| * rizen sets up nudging rig behind dionak | 23:33 | |
| * rizen points dionak toward some artwork at a Moroccan bazaar | 23:35 | |
| * rizen nudges dionak in that general direction | 23:35 | |
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| dionak | ooooh, ahhh ;) | 23:58 |
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| @rizen | william told me i should nudge you toward the bazaar | 00:03 |
| @rizen | with your theme that you're using at the wuc | 00:03 |
| @rizen | so that was my nudge | 00:04 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:04 |
| dionak | i was curious...how do i get to the bazaar? | 00:14 |
| dionak | or is it still assembling? | 00:15 |
| @rizen | sssshhhhh | 00:16 |
| dionak | :x | 00:16 |
| dionak | oh, oops | 00:16 |
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| dionak | ciao all.. | 00:27 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6364 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: WeatherData asset is broken | 00:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6365 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): fixed: Calendar multi-day events exported wrong in ical feed | 00:29 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6366 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.37 dev | 01:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6367 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Commerce/Transaction.pm): fixed: checking out in commerce system broken | 01:19 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6371 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: continuing with EMS data migration | 01:19 |
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| danny_mk | Hello everyone | 04:24 |
| danny_mk | can someone do me a favor and test passoword recovery on their system? | 04:24 |
| danny_mk | all the fields in my form seem to be hidden. | 04:24 |
| danny_mk | -- darn: come to think of it I have not checked the wiki or forums yet! | 04:25 |
| danny_mk | OK looks like it was fixed in 7.4.16: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/low-ui-level-on-visitor-prevents-password-recovery | 04:30 |
| danny_mk | but I am using: 7.4.36-stable and the fields are hidden | 04:31 |
| danny_mk | I attempted to test it using the demo but the wizard kept coming up. | 04:31 |
| danny_mk | Hmmm... it works from the plainblack website. | 04:39 |
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| danny_mk | perlbot | 05:13 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6373 /translations/RedNeck/ (5 files in 2 dirs): update_from_translation_server | 05:23 |
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| perlDreame1 | perlmonkey2: downloading FC9 now | 06:26 |
| perlDreame1 | have you tried it yet? | 06:26 |
| perlDreame1 | oy | 06:27 |
| perlDreame1 | I forgot to lot out at $dayJob | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yep | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | using it now | 06:27 |
| perlDreame1 | whaddya think? | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | just finished the install and config. | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I likey | 06:27 |
| +perlmonkey2 | everything is much nicer/faster/smoother. | 06:28 |
| perlDreame1 | I got bit by the FC8 infinite loop upgrade bug | 06:28 |
| perlDreame1 | so I'm a little nervous | 06:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | But it uses FF3B3 which doens't have firebug support. | 06:28 |
| perlDreame1 | yet | 06:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I never upgrade, I like doing a fresh install. Forces me to backup everything in an ordered manner, purge the junk, and do a fresh install/config. | 06:28 |
| perlDreame1 | I used to do that, but merging in old and new Gnome settings never worked | 06:29 |
| perlDreame1 | any suggestions? | 06:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | although I've got it down to such a science now and the fedora gui tools are so handy, it isn't a big deal at all. | 06:29 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, gnome settings? I can run through and reconfig it in 5 minutes or so. | 06:30 |
| perlDreame1 | not too bad | 06:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | So I don't bother saving any config files (well, I keep my ssh/config cause it has a ton of tunnel info). | 06:30 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, and I guess my ssh priv key | 06:31 |
| patspam | does it have FF3B3 or FF3B5? Ubuntu 7.10 has FF3B5 which is supported in Firebug 1.2.0alpha | 06:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | oh, B5 | 06:31 |
| +perlmonkey2 | not sure how I feel about it. It is nice, but I miss All-In-One Gestures (only FireGestures now), and it is a bit different (alt-mouse wheel is reversed for text size change). | 06:32 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | But F9 is a dream. F8 was so smooth and polished, I didn't expect F9 to be such a large improvement. | 06:32 |
| +perlmonkey2 | VileGent had led me to believe it was going to be a disaster. And it is for all the edge case users (just look at bugzilla). But for the vanilla users, like me, it is working perfectly. | 06:33 |
| perlDreame1 | VileGent? | 06:33 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Southern_Gentelmen | 06:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the #fedora channel op | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | oh | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | never been in there | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | just #rockbox | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | and here | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | and #perl6/#parrot for a while | 06:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | he does some hacking on fedora also | 06:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, I followed #perl6 for a while when I thought I had time to contribute. | 06:34 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: I've been trying to catch you online here to ask about Survey 2.0 | 06:34 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: ask away :) | 06:34 |
| perlDreame1 | Survey 2.0 is awful due to a non-JSON collateral implementation | 06:35 |
| perlDreame1 | I'd never use it | 06:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hahahahaha | 06:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | tha tis going to change! | 06:35 |
| patspam | is there a spec document or anything i can look at to check out the features it's going to have? | 06:35 |
| patspam | I tried running the Survey2 branch but didn't fly for me | 06:35 |
| +perlmonkey2 | yeah, that branch doesn't contain the database changes. | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | or the templates | 06:36 |
| patspam | yeah that's what I discovered ;) | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | just the perl and javascript | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, it is going to do a LOT | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | the problem is my upgrade to the survey was hijacked by $work. | 06:36 |
| patspam | that's cool, I'm just interested in finding out what features it's going to have because I'm planning to build some survey-based stuff soon | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | and they are awful, awful, horrible software developers. They make me cry, they are so bad at project management. | 06:36 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, it will do A Lot (tm). | 06:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure what it won't do. | 06:37 |
| +perlmonkey2 | branching is on sections, questions, or answers. Random questions and random answers. questions can have variable names, which can be inserted in any text, and the answer to that question will be inserted in that text. | 06:38 |
| patspam | workflow triggers? | 06:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | can set if there are questions on the first section page. If the section title/text is shown on every page of the section. How many questions per page. At the Survey level you can set multiple sections per page. | 06:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | ah, that never occurred to me. | 06:39 |
| +perlmonkey2 | how would you like that to work? | 06:40 |
| patspam | in its most simple form just a workflow that you can trigger on survey completion | 06:40 |
| patspam | e.g. so that you can do stuff to the user once they complete it | 06:41 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: a survey can have an exit url, sections can also be terminal with an exit url. So as is, you could exit to a url with a macro that starts the workflow? | 06:41 |
| patspam | ah ok, that'd be fine for my purposes | 06:42 |
| patspam | workflow triggers would be nice at some point to make Survey2.0 more consistent with Thingy, but I'm all for pragmatic solutions ;) | 06:43 |
| +perlmonkey2 | probably wouldn't be hard if I saw an example of a workflow trigger | 06:44 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'll be taking the next 3 weeks to do *my* revision to the survey system without allowing the guys at $work to add input (can you add this feature which takes two days to add, and then remove it after those two days are up). So if you have anything which is sexy and easy to add, let me know. | 06:47 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: there's lots of examples in Thingy.pm, e.g. onAddWorkflowId, onEditWorkflowId, onDeleteWorkflowId, etc.. | 06:47 |
| perlDreame1 | when the survey is done, I want it to email rizen so that he knows the Survey system is still working | 06:47 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreame1: still working? it isn't working now? | 06:48 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: I'll give it a check. | 06:48 |
| perlDreame1 | that it continues to function well | 06:49 |
| perlDreame1 | kind of like a system heartbeat | 06:49 |
| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 06:49 |
| perlDreame1 | how long did it take you to download it? | 06:51 |
| perlDreame1 | you must have tons of bandwidth at $work | 06:51 |
| patspam | perlmonkey2: will it be possible to allow users to review/redo their answers? | 06:53 |
| +perlmonkey2 | patspam: Well, I'm changing the way I maintain survey state and I'm not sure that woudl be very difficult to add. I just finished the req doc and was starting the spec and was going to decide to add that or not when I got to that section :) | 06:55 |
| patspam | heh cool | 06:56 |
| patspam | is the req doc private? | 06:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Not at all | 06:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'll figure out where to post it tomorrow | 06:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | put it in the forum or something. | 06:57 |
| patspam | awesome, that'd be great | 06:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Okay, I'm outy 5000. Time to hit the hay. Hasta pastas | 06:58 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:50 |
| topsub | hello | 17:00 |
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| diakopter | has anyone built the wre 0.8.x on Suse 10.x ? | 17:10 |
| diakopter | anyone here, I mean | 17:10 |
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| BartJol | diakopter: sorry I haven't | 17:11 |
| +crythias | trouble compiling perl on SuSE | 17:12 |
| +crythias | something about math/ undefined floor | 17:12 |
| +crythias | from what I read, I need a -lm flag in the cc | 17:13 |
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| dionak | i'm looking for feedback on an idea. i have a project that is basically a proj management software. a project has an estimate, a contract, a final report and project details. a project also has other stuff like resources, tasks, etc. i'm thinking about making an object structure to handle this with wobjects. is there anything that would 1) make this a bad idea or 2) make this unusually hard in WG? | 17:40 |
| dionak | I'm thinking of it as kind of a mini application in WG | 17:40 |
| ckotil | i think theres something similiar to that already in WH | 17:43 |
| ckotil | WG too | 17:43 |
| dionak | WH? | 17:43 |
| ckotil | no, WG. | 17:47 |
| ckotil | looks like its the ProjectManager asset. | 17:48 |
| ckotil | that could be a good starting point. | 17:48 |
| BartJol | WebHUI: web HTML user interface? | 17:49 |
| dionak | there is a project manager in WG. While the name is the same, the application is quite different. i need a lot more details. i just didn't see a complex example of wobject relation. wobjects usually stand on their own | 17:49 |
| dionak | that is a class i'm looking at | 17:50 |
| @rizen | collaboration system, wiki, and calendar are all compound assets | 17:56 |
| @rizen | compound asset = a group of assets that work together to create the user experience | 17:56 |
| @rizen | oh, and in 7.5 Gallery and Event Manager are also compound assets | 17:57 |
| dionak | good terminology. that's exactly what i'm looking for | 17:57 |
| @rizen | i suppose i should document that somewhere | 17:57 |
| @rizen | internally we use these terms | 17:57 |
| @rizen | compound assets, meta assets | 17:57 |
| dionak | that would be helpful. do you have an approach to designing compound assets? | 17:57 |
| dionak | i'm trying to visualize how the components work together and how to organize them. | 17:58 |
| @preaction_ | dionak, most of the functionality ends up being in the child assets, the child assets have some methods (usually getTemplateVars) to display themselves in the parent asset templates | 17:59 |
| @preaction_ | but the parent asset usually ends up holding the configuration for the whole shebang | 17:59 |
| @preaction_ | templates, workflows, rich editors and the like | 17:59 |
| @rizen | that would be a great chapter for the next edition of the developers guide | 17:59 |
| @rizen | it's too late to get it into this edition unfortunately | 17:59 |
| dionak | and a great presentation at the wuc. *nudge | 17:59 |
| @rizen | too late for WUC'08 also | 18:00 |
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| @rizen | the schedule is set | 18:00 |
| @preaction_ | i thought it was going to be in there, so i made my asset chapter make a child asset that could be easily added to a parent asset | 18:00 |
| dionak | so, i should take a look at the mentioned examples and deconstruct those. | 18:01 |
| @preaction_ | yeah. i'd look at the Gallery and the new EMS first | 18:01 |
| @preaction_ | those being the most-recent examples of good WebGUI code | 18:01 |
| @preaction_ | the CS is, for lack of a better term, messy | 18:01 |
| @preaction_ | Calendar needs some cleanup | 18:01 |
| dionak | ok. are there any docs there were used when those were designed? diagrams, etc. ? | 18:01 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. good to know | 18:01 |
| dionak | so the decision to make sku a wobject in the most recent version was because it was somehow different than the other assets of shop? | 18:02 |
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| dionak | more specific somehow? | 18:02 |
| @rizen | sku is not a wobject | 18:03 |
| @rizen | sku is an asset | 18:04 |
| @rizen | and is the base class of all other sellable items in the new shop | 18:04 |
| @rizen | the wiki is a good example of a compound asset also, and has some fairly clean code | 18:05 |
| dionak | oh, yea. my mistake | 18:05 |
| @rizen | it's also the simplest compound asset in the system | 18:05 |
| @rizen | and is probably a good starting point | 18:05 |
| dionak | ok, simple is a good starting place for a new concept | 18:05 |
| @rizen | the new event manager is the most complex probably because it's made up of 5 total assets | 18:05 |
| dionak | ok, looks like i've got some reading to do. i'll check out the examples and will likely have some questions. thanks for the info guys! | 18:07 |
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| dionak | interesting...so let me run this by you guys to make sure i understand correctly. in my example of a project manager, estimates, contracts, reports. i could have a wobject that is a project manager who has children wobjects of the types estimate, contract, report. | 18:45 |
| dionak | There are several steps, for instance, to create an estimate. Would the interfaces for this need to be handled by the parent (project manager) or could I hand off this responsiblity to the child? Perhaps the proj. mgr could add the child and redirect? | 18:45 |
| dionak | in the case of estimates, the parent's responsiblity would be to list, retrieve or add an estimate but the estimate wobject would be responsible for gathering all the estimate info | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd do it in the child | 18:47 |
| @rizen | generally the creation of the asset is done in the asset with the definition/getEditForm/www_edit methods | 18:48 |
| @rizen | so what pd said | 18:48 |
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| @rizen | there is a bad side effect of compound assets that you should be aware of | 18:49 |
| @rizen | it makes it difficult if not impossible to subclass them | 18:49 |
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| dionak | i can vaguely see why | 18:50 |
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| dionak | so what does the parent do in this type of relationship? | 18:50 |
| dionak | are you just referring to a base class as a parent? | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | add children, edit children, list children, report children | 18:51 |
| @rizen | the parent often acts as a dashboard | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no, the parent is a container, like a calendar vs event, wiki vs wiki page, etc. | 18:51 |
| @rizen | it displays an overview of it's children | 18:51 |
| @rizen | and gives you the add / view / edit links for the children | 18:52 |
| @rizen | take the wiki for example | 18:52 |
| dionak | ok, so when pd said "I'd do it in the child", what is "it"? | 18:52 |
| @rizen | it shows you the most recently edited and post popular wiki pages | 18:52 |
| @rizen | as well as the tag cloud | 18:52 |
| @rizen | the add/edit form | 18:52 |
| @rizen | for the child | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 18:53 |
| dionak | gotcha. i'm on board. | 18:53 |
| @rizen | don't put the UI for adding/editing children in the parent | 18:53 |
| dionak | put the UI in the child and provide a link.. | 18:53 |
| @rizen | yup | 18:53 |
| dionak | that makes complete sense | 18:53 |
| @rizen | the child will also contain any methods specific to it | 18:53 |
| @rizen | where the parent will contain any methods used to relate children to each other | 18:54 |
| @rizen | or operate on a group of children | 18:54 |
| @rizen | compound assets give webgui amazing power, but they're a bit harder to wrap your brain around than a standard asset | 18:54 |
| @rizen | a lot more moving parts | 18:55 |
| dionak | it kind of reminds me of abstract factory but it's been a while since i've delved into design patterns | 18:59 |
| dionak | agreed on the power and complexity. it seem to be just what i need tho. | 18:59 |
| dionak | otherwise, i'lll get a mixed-up jumble of assets | 18:59 |
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| dionak | so after you save a wiki page, you're shown the confirmation. where is the page saved? | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | In the wikiPage table | 19:06 |
| dionak | is processPropertiesFromFormPost automatically called? i don't see the call to it | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | That's all handled by the master class, Asset.pm | 19:06 |
| dionak | ah | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it is automatically called, and it's the right place to do custom work | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you probably shouldn't ever need to override www_editSave | 19:07 |
| dionak | ok, got it. super is just called all the way back to Asset.pm which updates the table defined in the definition | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, yes and no. The subclass does have one, so it's "parent" class. There's no explicit call to $self->SUPER::www_editSave. That's just a nitpick, though. | 19:08 |
| juan | i had configured an ldap connection working and today it is not working | 19:14 |
| juan | the webgui.log is show me the next error | 19:14 |
| juan | WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[431] - Cannot connect to LDAP server. | 19:14 |
| juan | the thing is the ldap connection is not working for new users | 19:15 |
| juan | the old users can connect it without any problem | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I forgot to ask you last night, how does wG work with perl 5.10? | 19:21 |
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| juan | why when i try to add or edit a ldap connection, the page is too slow | 19:25 |
| @tavisto | any dutch team awake in here? :) | 19:31 |
| @tavisto | I'm curious because we were contacted by Heise Online and they want to feature WebGUI in their magazine. I'm curious how big of a publication this is | 19:32 |
| @preaction_ | tavisto, looks like no | 19:32 |
| @tavisto | yeah that's what I'm guessing too heh | 19:33 |
| @preaction_ | the people you want are: MrHairgrease, BartJol, Koen is... i forget | 19:33 |
| @preaction_ | i haven't seen alphamega in here in a while | 19:33 |
| @preaction_ | don't know if AMH is dutch or not, i forget | 19:33 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. well I'll have to catch them another time.. the site looks fairly large but it's hard to tell | 19:34 |
| @tavisto | and they've got all the big it companies advertising on their site.. that's a good sign | 19:35 |
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| @tavisto | oh this is actually a german computer magazine, and it says 400,000 copies are sold every fortnight and that they are among Europe's most successful computer magazines. | 19:48 |
| @tavisto | now if I only knew what fortnight was | 19:49 |
| @preaction_ | a week | 19:49 |
| @preaction_ | or maybe two weeks | 19:49 |
| @tavisto | yeah well I could have made those guesses as well.. but I get the picture regardless I suppose | 19:50 |
| @rizen | type in google: define: fortnight | 19:50 |
| @tavisto | that's amazing I've never heard that word used before. 14 days, 2 weeks | 19:51 |
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| juan | when i try to delete a ldap connection i obtain the next error Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::LDAPLink::www_deleteLDAPLink. Root cause: Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm line 162. | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, Heise Online is like Time magazine for Germany | 20:13 |
| @tavisto | well, we're going to be included in c't | 20:13 |
| @tavisto | it's the first navigational link at the top on that site | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: you're a marketing monster. How did you swing this? | 20:14 |
| @tavisto | I didn't do anything, they came to us. | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: You're a marketing slacker. Why didn't you think of contacting them yourself? | 20:15 |
| @tavisto | so in that regard, it's boils down to the efforts of the community and staff. :) | 20:15 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: Koen is synq | 20:16 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, thats it | 20:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Joeri is dapperedodo or something like that | 20:17 |
| @tavisto | Well after we were published in CIO, I just figured that the whole world knew about us already.. lol y/r | 20:17 |
| @tavisto | honestly though, I don't know what our following is like in Germany but this sort of thing can't hurt. Especially if they are going to include WebGUI on a CD to 400k peeps and it's going to be on their website. | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | man, between that and Debian we're going to be flooded ( I hope ) | 20:19 |
| dionak | what about Debian? | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | we're in Debian now as a package | 20:19 |
| dionak | oh, cool! | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | you can apt-get install webgui | 20:19 |
| dionak | is wre in there too? | 20:20 |
| dionak | or does the webgui package configure itself? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk did the work, but I gather for right now, it's just the core WebGUI | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | with all dependencies defined in the package | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and db work has to be done manually for now | 20:21 |
| fansipans | which version of debian? | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you could look in the May IRC log, 'cause I think I remember him talking more about it | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | fansipans: Lenny, I think | 20:22 |
| * perlDreamer goes back to the lab, where there is great sorrow and gnashing of teeth | 20:22 | |
| dionak | pd, you need to get out of that lab | 20:25 |
| dionak | it sounds like hell | 20:25 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I believe you are right about the db config having to be manually done. I read that somewhere from him | 20:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6374 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (2 files): Made several minor changes to the Photo Gallery, created a prettier List View template for the calendar | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | MrHairGrease!!!!! | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | mr smith | 21:18 |
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| -!- MrHairGrease is now known as MrHairgrease | 21:18 | |
| @rizen | i don't know why, i just like shouting your name | 21:19 |
| @rizen | =) | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i do that all the time | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i actually tried to change my nick to include the exclamation marks | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but alas | 21:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | irc doesn't like that | 21:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | yesterday was Ducth destruction day | 21:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | a huge fire which burned up the whole architecture faculty | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | another huge fire somewhere else in the netherlands | 21:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I actually saw a harddisk crash through an ssh session | 21:22 |
| @rizen | i think it was world disaster day | 21:23 |
| @rizen | there was that stuff in holland | 21:23 |
| @rizen | and there was the aftermath of china's earthquakes | 21:23 |
| @rizen | and there are tornadoes and arson fires killing people around the U.S. | 21:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't like to say it | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you might actually be right =) | 21:25 |
| @rizen | oh and down by dionak's area there was a parking garage that collapsed for no apparent reason | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | the reason is obviously world distaster day | 21:26 |
| @rizen | indeed | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | disaster* | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think i wanna know what a distaster is | 21:26 |
| @preaction_ | someone hit the "Major Disaster" button in SimEarth? | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it wasn't me | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm to busy | 21:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm gonna graduate 19 june, btw | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you pb guys are invited too | 21:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you coincidentally have some plane tickets laying around, you'll get to drink free beers | 21:28 |
| @rizen | WAHOO!!!!!!! | 21:30 |
| @rizen | i just got to create a variable named $oldTranny | 21:30 |
| @rizen | you just don't get to do that very often | 21:30 |
| snapcount | congrats MrHairgrease | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 21:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | you may congratulate me at the bar snapcount | 21:31 |
| snapcount | I'll fed-ex a case of America's finest beer to you... O'Douls | 21:31 |
| snapcount | =P | 21:31 |
| @rizen | mrhairgrease, i'll be speaking at YAPC then, otherwise i'd consider it. been too long since i've been to holland. | 21:31 |
| @rizen | and i have some free plane tickets sitting around | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh well | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can have the worlds second most interesting presentation that day | 21:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a good score =) | 21:32 |
| @rizen | can anybody tell me what "lastPayedTerm" means in the old transaction table | 21:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is the term that has been payed last | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you have a subscription | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | with monthly terms | 21:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | that table holds the last term (or month) has been payed | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | not sure if it hold an incrementing number or a date anymore | 21:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that should be easy to find in the recuuring payment workflow activity | 21:36 |
| @rizen | so is it a count down like 99, 98, 97...or is it a month number 1 (jan), 2 (feb), 3 (mar) | 21:36 |
| @rizen | ok | 21:36 |
| @rizen | i'll look it up | 21:36 |
| @rizen | is this something we're going to need for recurring payments going forward? | 21:37 |
| @rizen | should i add it to the new transaction table? | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just borked the koornbeurs site | 21:37 |
| @rizen | red alert! | 21:37 |
| @rizen | site down | 21:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:39 |
| IT | Hi | 21:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | well that was the server with the broken hdd | 21:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i using the opportunity to upgrade webgui and the wre | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, let me check that term thing | 21:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what i used it for was to keep track of how many payments have been made | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | for instance, a term payment can fail | 21:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | from what i recall, what I did when processing recuuring postback dat from itransact | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | is back calculate the number of terms that are supposed to have been payed | 21:42 |
| JohnRestrepo | Guys, is there a way to change the collaboration system's wysiwyg editor? | 21:42 |
| JohnRestrepo | Personalize it? | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | and compare that to the actual number of succeeded term payments which is stored in that column | 21:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i guess it should be added | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | or the way we handle these thing must be changed | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | which sounds okay to me too | 21:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | JohnRestrepo: from what i recall you could skin the richeditor with css. | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | It is an option in the edit screen of the rich edit asset you se | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | use* | 21:44 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | not sure though | 21:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | never done it | 21:45 |
| JohnRestrepo | The thing is: We want to develop an app with flash, we need to make the way that a collaboration system have the Flash interface instead the wysiwyg editor | 21:46 |
| JohnRestrepo | Is that possible? | 21:46 |
| @preaction_ | JohnRestrepo, the wysiwyg editor is a WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit, you may or may not be able to subclass it to interface your own rich editor | 21:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | afk | 21:47 |
| JohnRestrepo | It has to be that one? | 21:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | Can I do my own editor? | 21:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | Sorry | 21:50 |
| @preaction_ | you can try, sure. the Post form is a template | 21:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok thanks | 21:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think it shoudl work | 21:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'll try | 21:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | just include the flash thing in the Post Form as preaction says | 21:51 |
| JohnRestrepo | With the Flash app we'll generate an XML, can WebGUI recognize that? I mean, how does WebGUI "understand" what the editor send | 21:55 |
| @preaction_ | the editor "sends" HTML | 21:56 |
| @preaction_ | the exact value of the form element | 21:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: is the correct upgrade path from 7.3.22/0.8.1 -> 7.4.37/0.8.3 the following | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg->7.4.21 | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | wre->0.8.3 | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg->7.4.37 | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is without json borkage | 21:58 |
| @rizen | sorry, i was on the phone | 21:58 |
| @rizen | yeah upgrade all the way to 7.3.22 on an old wre | 21:58 |
| @rizen | then put in the new wre and the 7.4.latest version of webgui | 21:59 |
| @rizen | and continue upgrading | 21:59 |
| @rizen | if you want, you can upgrade to 7.4.21 and then upgrade the wre | 21:59 |
| @rizen | but it is not necesary | 21:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry to ask,but are you very sure about that? | 21:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd suspect problems with JSON | 21:59 |
| @rizen | JohnRestrepo: yes | 21:59 |
| @rizen | you can make your own rich editor ....just go to the asset manager | 22:00 |
| @rizen | and select "rich editor" in the new content menu | 22:00 |
| @rizen | or duplicate an existing one | 22:00 |
| @rizen | and then edit away | 22:00 |
| @rizen | once you're done | 22:00 |
| @rizen | you can set the rich editor as the one for the CS in the CS properties | 22:00 |
| @rizen | i'm very sure about it | 22:00 |
| @rizen | just upgraded 2 servers that way last week | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | just being careful =) | 22:01 |
| @rizen | i understand | 22:01 |
| @rizen | i asked the same thing of Haarg, cuz he swore you could do it | 22:01 |
| @rizen | and so i tried it and it worked | 22:01 |
| @rizen | you have to be on any 7.4.x version | 22:01 |
| @rizen | and then you can upgrade to any other 7.4.x version | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:01 |
| @rizen | using the new wre | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i'm on 7.3.22 | 22:01 |
| @rizen | oh | 22:02 |
| @rizen | for that you might have to upgrade to 7.4.0 | 22:02 |
| @rizen | first | 22:02 |
| @rizen | i was upgrading from 7.4.8 or something | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | 7.4.0 -> 0.8.3 -> 7.4.37 | 22:02 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:02 |
| @rizen | that will work | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 22:02 |
| @rizen | JohnRestrepo: sorry i should have read further what you were asking. disregard what i said. | 22:03 |
| @rizen | ok mrhairgrease...back to this recurring thing. | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:04 |
| @rizen | so are you saying that in the old system you don't create a new transaction every time something posts back? | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm syaing that | 22:04 |
| @rizen | cuz i'm thinking we should create a new transaction every time | 22:04 |
| @rizen | success or fail | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:05 |
| @rizen | it does a few things for us | 22:05 |
| @rizen | 1) we can see failures more easily | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | well itransact adds their tranasctionId to a transaction | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | called XID | 22:05 |
| @rizen | 2) we have a complete transaction history | 22:05 |
| @rizen | that's ok | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that doesn't change with recurring payments | 22:05 |
| @rizen | we have a spot to store that | 22:05 |
| @rizen | that's ok also | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's why i built it that way | 22:05 |
| @rizen | it's not a unique id in our table | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | your idea sounds good | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | and will prolly make trackkeeping more robust | 22:06 |
| @rizen | so if that's the case, then we don't need that field any longer | 22:06 |
| @rizen | right? | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I guess using seperate transactions are better | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | right | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | as far as i can oversee of course | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i'll take the heat if i'm wrong | 22:07 |
| @rizen | i just think if we're keeping a transactional history | 22:07 |
| @rizen | we should hav ea new transaction for each recurrance | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | seems logical | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 22:08 |
| @rizen | hanging | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe i have been doing something like that | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me checl | 22:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | Guys thanks | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess not | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | i confused it with the ITransact_recurringPayment table | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i agree | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | your way is better and you don't need that field anymore | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | just dunno if you want to migrate that number somehow | 22:15 |
| @rizen | you're working on the recurring stuff still, right? | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'm really busty so it just doesn't go as fast as i wanted | 22:17 |
| @rizen | ok, then i guess i leave this in your capable hands for implementation. | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:17 |
| @rizen | busty? | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | huh? | 22:17 |
| @rizen | you have big boobs? | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh! | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | a big typo | 22:17 |
| @rizen | heh | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | the t and y are like right next to eachother dude | 22:17 |
| @rizen | oh one more thing i need to know about recurring | 22:17 |
| JohnRestrepo | Guys, when I edit the collaboration system I see in a combobox this two items: Content manager's rich edit and Forum rich edit, my question is: where webgui load them? A list or something where I can add my own editor | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | my plan is to work on it friday all day | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm sure i'll have it finfihed in time | 22:17 |
| @rizen | itransact posts back to us for the recurring payments, right? we don't post to them? | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | only when you initiate a payment | 22:17 |
| @preaction_ | JohnRestrepo, i mentioned above, those are RichEdit assets, WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit. you would have to make your own RichEdit asset | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | every term you'll get a postback | 22:17 |
| @rizen | ok, so do we really need that workflow then? | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | telling you whether it succeeded | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the old system: yes | 22:17 |
| @rizen | workflow activity that runs | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the new: i don't think so | 22:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I have to dive a bit deeper in it to be absolutely sure | 22:17 |
| @rizen | ok, i don't think so either | 22:17 |
| @rizen | though i may need to restructure a few things to make sure that the right stuff is called in the recurring products on processing a recurring payment | 22:17 |
| @rizen | i'll happily do that once your code is all checked in | 22:18 |
| bopbop | JohnRestrepo: go to the asset manager, and navigate to root. Then enter the Import Node folder- you'll find another folder called Rich Edit- enter that folder. Then, from the New Content menu at the bottom of the asset manager create a new rich editor asset; once its created go back to the CS and you'll see it available as a rich editor to choose from | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay | 22:18 |
| JohnRestrepo | But Flash is not a perl macro, sorry for the insistence but I need this as soon as possible, what I need is to make the text area of the form a swf that send me a XML | 22:18 |
| @rizen | there are probably going to be lots of little corner cases to smooth over once we have all the stuff in place | 22:18 |
| @rizen | back to migrating transaction data for me | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | is Parse::PlainConfig still used in 7.3.22? | 22:19 |
| @rizen | shouldn't be | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the testEnv of 7.4.0 wanted it | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay good luck | 22:19 |
| @rizen | yeah, that was remedied | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try to be more often in the channel and keep you updated | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and harass of course =) | 22:20 |
| @rizen | coolio...it's getting down to the wire | 22:20 |
| @rizen | i'm a little scared | 22:20 |
| @rizen | this is such a big project | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad I don't have more time | 22:20 |
| @rizen | in many ways, it's even bigger than the asset rewrite of the 6.x period | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | but these months are quite hectic | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, that was BIG too | 22:21 |
| @rizen | i understand man...and appreciate all the time and work you've put in | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 22:21 |
| @rizen | that one didn't seem so big because i spread it out over many releases 6.3-6.9 | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | well in those releases about the whole API changed | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | not just the move to assets | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has taken a while, but it was worth it | 22:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | no doubt | 22:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: You big silicon hacking stud! | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Way to go! | 22:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hack chromium on pyrex | 22:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it doesn't work | 22:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's time to end the project | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has taken about a year and a half already | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | doesn't work? | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh no! | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have all the pieces of the puzzle | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | but they don't fit | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | a bad result is a result too | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | albeit a bit unsatifacory | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what happens after graduation? | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | (aside from drinking and partying) | 22:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i becomeboring | 22:33 |
| @rizen | have you decided to stick with Oqapi, at least for a little while? | 22:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | what i would really like is doing more or less the same i'm doing now | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is: part time microfabrication | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | part time oqapi | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll see if that's possible | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | if not | 22:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | we'll see what happens =) | 22:34 |
| @rizen | you should move to Oregon. perlDreamer can hook you up with a job at his place, so you can hack WebGUI when you're not working on chips. =) | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't recommend $dayJob to people right now | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's in the us | 22:35 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6375 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Slider write ins now more accurate | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | we have lots of very good beer | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | and although i like you guys very much and enjoy traveling there | 22:35 |
| @rizen | don't worry MHG, you'd never lose your eurotrash status with us. | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not the place i would go | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if that's the case... =) | 22:36 |
| @rizen | MHG, would it be fair to say that in the old system, only successful transactions are stored in the transaction table? | 22:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | uhm | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | they are all stored | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm pretty sure about that | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe transaction that completely fail aren't | 22:37 |
| @rizen | i'm trying to locate what field would represent the transaction being successful | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if they fail b/c theyre pending or struff like that | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | theyt are | 22:37 |
| @rizen | and don't see anything | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll check | 22:38 |
| @rizen | maybe it's authcode | 22:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | the status column in the transaction table | 22:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm pretty sure it's api-fied in WG::Commerce::Transaction | 22:39 |
| @rizen | ok i'll look there | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | wre upgrade is just untar the new one over the old? | 22:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | 0.8.1 -> 0.8.3 that is | 22:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh, and a transaction thingy | 22:40 |
| @rizen | yes | 22:40 |
| juan | i have this error in my webgui.log GMT is not a valid date for email, and is so poorly formatted, we can't even guess what it is. | 22:41 |
| @rizen | and then run wreupgrade.pl | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might be handy to have a column like originatingTransction in the transaction table | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would point to the original tranasaction for recurring transaction | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that way there easily grouped | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | regardless of how gateways handle those | 22:42 |
| @rizen | not bad | 22:42 |
| @rizen | okily dokily neighbor | 22:42 |
| @rizen | do you want to add it or should i? | 22:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | you do that | 22:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:42 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:42 |
| @apeiron | 'neighborino' | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | wow | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i love upgrading 37 release in row with only OK's and done's | 22:52 |
| @rizen | it is nice | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh you never guess the time of the version tag that was created when I importing foto's when the hdd crash occurred | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | 13:37 | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | reminds me of Final Destination | 23:22 |
| juan | hello, i have created a sql form and i want that a field that i created can be the unique primary key | 23:24 |
| juan | have to modify the table with alter table? | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | you cannot do that | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | because it will break the sql form | 23:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you wanna use the sql form, you MUST let IT handle all the key indexes etc | 23:25 |
| juan | for example i created a field call nit and i want that it can be unique | 23:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can set that in the edit of the field if i'm not mistaken | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem is that the sql form versions its data | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you edit a record | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you will add a row to the table | 23:28 |
| juan | when a user try to add new record an that nit was already added don't let to add the record | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | which will have a colliding column | 23:28 |
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| juan | so, with sql form is not possible to do that. | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you use the sql form | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | you'll have to give the sql form total control over the table | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | as i said | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think there is an option to make certain fields unique | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it is, it is in the edit screen of the field | 23:41 |
| juan | ok | 23:45 |
| juan | i am going to check | 23:45 |
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| @rizen | MrHairgrease: you wanted me to add an isRecurring flag to the transaction...was that at the transaction level or the transaction item level | 23:52 |
| @rizen | it seems item would make more sense | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | transaction | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c the transaction is recurring | 23:53 |
| @rizen | so the whole transaction recurs? | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually each recurring item gets its own transaction | 23:53 |
| @rizen | so in the iTransact module then if someone buys a physical product, and a recurring product in the same cart, you create two transactions | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 23:54 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:54 |
| @rizen | adding to transaction table then | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:54 |
| dionak | rizen, have you seen our bug report regarding rss feeds? josh just finished up a test that exposes the issue. | 23:55 |
| dionak | it's posted back to the bug report | 23:55 |
| @rizen | no, i'm not subscribed to the bugs listings | 23:56 |
| dionak | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/rss-and-template-engine-error | 23:56 |
| @rizen | is it something specific you want me to look at for some reason? | 23:56 |
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| dionak | i'm just curious how i can resolve the bug. it's been posted for a little while. any advice? | 23:56 |
| dionak | polite advice preferably ;) | 23:57 |
| @rizen | well the fastest way to get any bug fixed is to either fix it yourself or have a priority bug fix contract with us. =) | 23:57 |
| @rizen | beyond that it will get fixed as we have time to fix it. all 7.4 and below bugs must be fixed by June 12th as that's the last release of WebGUI 7.4 | 23:58 |
| @rizen | other than what i just mentioned, you're already doing the right things | 23:59 |
| @rizen | posting detailed bug descriptions | 23:59 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. that's helpful. | 23:59 |
| @rizen | posting the test will be a big help | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | why didn't she just check that test in? | 00:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6376 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): finished migrating ems data, and transaction data | 00:25 |
| @rizen | are you calling josh a she? | 00:27 |
| lisette | i have a problem with i18n and tildes, in i18n.webgui.org with DateTime, i translate saturday and wednesday, this two days have tilde, and display in the web page with a triangle, how to do to change this? because the other traductions that have tilde is well. | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | the problem is probably that your editor is not set to utf8 | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | make sure you safe in th eutf8 chracter set | 00:29 |
| lisette | yes this utf8 i check this and is well | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | then i don't know | 00:30 |
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| juan | i have the next error WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::fatal[208] - Authentication module failed to compile: WebGUI::Auth::webgui.Can't locate WebGUI/Auth/webgui.pm | 02:06 |
| juan | the error occurs when a user tries to log out the site | 02:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's the lowercase w in webgui | 02:07 |
| juan | and only with some users that were imported with userimport.pl | 02:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it could be that the import went wrong | 02:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | make sure that in the authentication table | 02:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | the authMethod column (or something like it) does never ever contain webgui | 02:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it does update those records to use WebGUI in stead | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | my guess is you used the --authMethod=webgui parameter rigt? | 02:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | right* | 02:12 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, ping | 02:23 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Another idea for your "Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes" talk I just remembered: you copy Asset.pm to Asset.backup.pm, make changes to Asset.pm, and wonder why they're not showing up. | 02:24 |
| juan | MrHairgrease, if i want to delete some users from my site, can i delete it by console? | 02:28 |
| juan | and i want to delete records from all the tables that have relation with the userid | 02:30 |
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| knowmad | Can someone tell me why WRE monitor is sending me this email -- "A workflow activity has a priority that is too high." | 15:51 |
| knowmad | what am i supposed to do about it? | 15:51 |
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| dionak | morning all | 16:18 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:30 |
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| @rizen | knowmad, check your settings in the wre.conf | 16:51 |
| @rizen | there's a threshold at which it will alert you about such things | 16:52 |
| @rizen | so you can detect whether you have workflow problems | 16:52 |
| knowmad | thanks rizen. ok, another question. it's telling me the server is localhost. i have about 5 webgui sites running now (testing, dev and production). how the heck do i tell which one it's on when all it says is localhost? how do ya'll tell them apart? | 16:54 |
| @rizen | there's a defaultHostname variable in the wre.conf | 16:56 |
| @rizen | it uses that hostname when it sends out emails | 16:56 |
| @rizen | so pick a hostname that is unique to each server | 16:56 |
| @rizen | and we don't monitor dev or testing machines, only production | 16:57 |
| @rizen | monitoring dev/testing machines would drive us nuts since we'd be getting paged all the time | 16:57 |
| knowmad | thanks for the tips | 17:01 |
| knowmad | i'm not seeing a threshold setting in wre.conf for spectre; do you know the name i should be looking for? | 17:03 |
| knowmad | gotta run; i can follow-up on this later if needed | 17:05 |
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| hankins | I have a shortcut to my event calendar on the front page. | 17:24 |
| hankins | http://web402.plainblack.net/home | 17:24 |
| hankins | Most of the time the shortcut calendar doesn't show any events, even though there are many event listed in the event calendar. | 17:24 |
| hankins | Oddly, I keep changing the listViewPageInterval override to one (1) month. But it always reverts back to one (1) year - then it doesn't even show any events. | 17:24 |
| hankins | any ideas about shortcut overrides? | 17:24 |
| BartJol | mmm | 17:24 |
| BartJol | leok | 17:25 |
| BartJol | let's have a look | 17:25 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hmm, what might I be missing if flash sound isn't working? | 17:28 |
| BartJol | a speaker? | 17:28 |
| +perlmonkey2 | whups, wrong channel | 17:28 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | heh | 17:29 |
| BartJol | hankins, I see some events | 17:29 |
| BartJol | 9 to be precise | 17:30 |
| BartJol | hankins, aren't the still in a version tag? happened to me quite some times | 17:31 |
| topsub | lol bartJol | 17:33 |
| topsub | flash is fun | 17:34 |
| BartJol | sorry, had a hard meeting with a customer, so have to make some stupid remarks... | 17:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | apeiron, That's a good one. I use .mp files instead :) | 18:37 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Ah! Nice idea. | 18:37 |
| @apeiron | Of course, another idea is to use Asset.pm.modified or so. | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: If you need me to come over to Dutch-land and stomp on some customers toes for you, just let me know. | 18:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that way you can always be the nice guy | 18:57 |
| BartJol | perlDreamer: thanks | 19:00 |
| BartJol | your welcome anyway | 19:00 |
| BartJol | but you don't need to do that | 19:00 |
| BartJol | and now, another customer wants me to make their site really ugly... | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Ooh! I can help with that too! | 19:01 |
| BartJol | :) | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll use tables for layout | 19:02 |
| BartJol | I've got a lot of expereince with that already | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and everything will be in English | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and I only use primary colors, #000000 and #FFFFFF | 19:02 |
| BartJol | Swahili might be better :) | 19:02 |
| BartJol | it's this one : http://test.utrechtonstage.nl | 19:02 |
| BartJol | and they want it even more ugly | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a band of some kind? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | or acting group? | 19:03 |
| BartJol | nope, a project to bring students in contact with companies | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Do they understand anything about professionalism? | 19:04 |
| BartJol | well, the woman that organises everything is good with human contacts | 19:04 |
| BartJol | but has a horrible taste when it comes to websites | 19:04 |
| BartJol | I HAD to use the green an purple | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 19:05 |
| BartJol | no discussion was possible | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | tell her that it produced a permanent burn on my retinas | 19:05 |
| BartJol | yeah, well, we tried to minimise the use of those colours | 19:05 |
| BartJol | this was the best we could do without pissing her off | 19:06 |
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| BartJol | it's kinda hard to tell a customer that she has a horrible taste tactically | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | dionak: I think you should check the SyndicatedContent test into SVN in the 7.5 branch. | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a good test in general, and exposes a bug that needs to be fixed. | 19:10 |
| dionak | ok, we'll do that. | 19:11 |
| dionak | thanks | 19:11 |
| BartJol | have to go | 19:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm back in the lab again today, please leave me a note if anyone has questions | 19:15 |
| @rizen | why is the sky blue and grass green? | 19:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | The sky is blue due to diffuse scattering of certain wavelengths of light. | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Grass is green because green is a combination of blue and red, which covers a fraction of visible light which helps make photosythesis efficient | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, because God wanted it that way | 19:57 |
| @apeiron | Okay, smartypants. | 19:57 |
| @apeiron | Why does gravity exist? | 19:57 |
| @apeiron | (note, I didn't say "Why do things fall") | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Gravity exists due to a certain property of matter, in that it interacts with space/time | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Ask me again after the LIGO experiments | 19:58 |
| @apeiron | heh | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Also, because God wanted it that way :) | 19:59 |
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| dionak | is there a new format for tests? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | new format? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | not that I know of :) | 21:07 |
| dionak | I'm looking at the test for Gallery and it's using WebGUI::Test::Maker | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Ah, that is not a new format, but new tools | 21:08 |
| dionak | it's pretty clean | 21:08 |
| dionak | ah | 21:08 |
| dionak | should we use this tool when making tests in the future? | 21:08 |
| dionak | or does it matter? | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | If it would help you, then sure | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | It's been a while since I've looked at it, but parts of it didn't use to work | 21:08 |
| dionak | oh. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Maker::Permission works | 21:09 |
| dionak | i'll have to look closer. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Maker::HTML was the one with the problems | 21:09 |
| ckotil | Does anyone recall the group visualizer macro? i.e. it draws out group inheritance | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | It never got made, ckotil. I couldn't find a good graphing plugin to do it | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak, another new tool is TestException, which allows you to run Test::Deep tests on an exception. | 21:10 |
| ckotil | ah | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Check out some of the Shop/Pay tests for that one | 21:11 |
| ckotil | nah, thats ok. | 21:11 |
| dionak | ok, thanks. i'll have a look at that too. i'm a big fan of tests, as you can tell | 21:11 |
| @apeiron | yay testing! | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we could do a testing BOF/SIG at the WUC | 21:12 |
| @apeiron | Where's the sign-up sheet? | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | It looks like 4:10-5:00 BOF in the beginner track is available :) | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but apeiron is busy at that time | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of busy, time to go to the gym | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll backlog when I get back | 21:15 |
| dionak | BOF/SIG? | 21:17 |
| @apeiron | Birds of a Feather / Special Interest Group | 21:17 |
| dionak | ah | 21:17 |
| dionak | i'm game | 21:17 |
| dionak | the link to coding guidelines is broken. http://www.plainblack.com/submission_guidelines/coding_guidelines | 21:23 |
| dionak | it's linked in the wiki | 21:23 |
| dionak | i was looking for the guidelines arjan brought up | 21:25 |
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| metanil | can i create a variable in template | 02:21 |
| metanil | ? | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template is read only | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Template Toolkit might let you do that, though. I don't know. | 02:21 |
| metanil | oh | 02:21 |
| metanil | like inside <tmpl_loop file_loop> i++ </tmpl_loop> something like this.. | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template will definitely not let you do that | 02:22 |
| metanil | :) | 02:22 |
| metanil | (then need to modify perl module ..) | 02:23 |
| @preaction_ | why not use <tmpl_var __COUNT__> | 02:23 |
| metanil | will that work? | 02:24 |
| @preaction_ | if all you want is a counter inside of a loop | 02:25 |
| metanil | gr* | 02:25 |
| metanil | great.. thns | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_++ | 02:38 |
| metanil | if get assetid for some image.. can i directly get URL for that? | 02:38 |
| +perlDreamer | in a template? | 02:38 |
| metanil | no. in some of the perl module | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:39 |
| metanil | like .. i have a $session | 02:39 |
| metanil | or $self=shift | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | my $url = $asset->getUrl(); | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | so, first you get an Asset object, looked up by assetId | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | then you ask the asset for its url | 02:40 |
| metanil | so it doens't matter whether its image or any other object .. | 02:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that works for all assets | 02:40 |
| metanil | we just gets its URL.. | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:41 |
| metanil | hmm | 02:41 |
| metanil | great | 02:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | metanil: That is the URL for the asset, not the image that it contains. Just a FYI | 02:52 |
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| metanil | i thought image is also an asset.. | 02:52 |
| @preaction_ | there's an Image asset, but actual files are contained in storage locations | 02:58 |
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| metanil | so, the actual image location( URL) should be return by storage.? | 03:23 |
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| dionak | i missed the question | 04:08 |
| dionak | getUrl is the method that returns the url for a storage object | 04:08 |
| dionak | are you building a wobject? | 04:10 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6379 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: JSON collateral rewrite, first part. | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: API is rewritten and tested. Upgrade script builds JSON | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: for all commerce products with unique identifiers. | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: TBD: Rework Product asset and test it. | 08:34 |
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| bopbop | oooh, look at perlmonkey2 all red now ;) | 16:31 |
| bopbop | welcome to PB | 16:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlmonky jobhopped? | 16:31 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm red? oh wow! | 16:33 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: it does appear that way :) | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | so, how many times have you been harrassed by JT already? | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | now that he has the right to do so | 16:34 |
| @perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: counting the interviews? | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 16:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | So far is has been a lot like this channel only in voice. Kind of laid back, fun, yet on task. But I don't really start for a few more weeks. Have to give $oldwork notice and some time to scramble to replace me. | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | so why did you quit your previous job, if I may ask? | 16:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Lots of reasons. | 16:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | When I started I thought I would be assisting graduate students in research and I ended up working on a commercial product. | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh the survey thing | 16:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I got to learn a lot. It was fun being turned loose on a topic I knew very little about and having to pick up several new technologies and basic theoretical backgrounds. | 16:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | No, this didn't have anything to do with the survey system. | 16:38 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That is just a side project a member of the center needed. The grant that paid my salary didn't need it. | 16:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Greetings SDuensin | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | you ended up pretty good anyway | 16:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, I'm happy with the decision. | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | considering you had an interview with JT and are still able to tell it | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Yeah, I mean I had to go see a psychiatrist for a few days afterwords and they say eventually the post tramatic stress disorder will eventually go away, but I made it :P | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | only a few days is a good score | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | a lot of people would've needed more time | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:41 |
| * SDuensin still isn't over it - and he's only been exposed through IRC! | 16:42 | |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | you there? | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | see http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7b960a0f | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | this happens when I'm trying to run upgrade.pl in the svn HEAD branch | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I hacked upgrade.pl so that it shows the packages it is importing | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | as you can see the root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg causes weirdness | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the upgrade fails when trying to import the weatherdatatmpl0000001.wgpkg packages | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | any suggestions | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | the weatherdata is not broken | 17:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | If i mv root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg.disabled everything works perfectly | 17:11 |
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| @rizen | You know bopbop, if you were to register an actual IRC account, then preaction could keep you red too. | 17:18 |
| @bopbop | I tried long long ago, with preaction's assistance, and we couldn't get it to work | 17:19 |
| @bopbop | I'll try again some time today | 17:19 |
| @bopbop | I do like being red | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | bopbop: just type /nickserv help | 17:20 |
| @bopbop | ok | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that'll show you how to register accounts | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and authenticate | 17:20 |
| @bopbop | do I type it right in here? | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | that'll work | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | irc is smart enough to open a new window for you | 17:22 |
| @bopbop | ok, I've done it twice.... nothing happens | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | then your client sucks =) | 17:22 |
| @bopbop | oh, well then | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | which client do you use? | 17:23 |
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| @bopbop | colloquy | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: do you have any idea what causes the gallery package to fail? | 17:24 |
| @rizen | yes, you're doing it wrong | 17:25 |
| @rizen | =) | 17:25 |
| @rizen | actually i don't get the error that you're getting when i do it | 17:25 |
| @rizen | it just works | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | weirdness | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll leave it as it is for now | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and after I check my code in I'll recreate my dev site | 17:26 |
| @rizen | is the user that you run the upgrade with the same as the user that apache runs as? | 17:26 |
| @rizen | on my dev box i run apache under my own user account | 17:26 |
| @rizen | therefore the uploads folder has those privs | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | me too | 17:27 |
| @rizen | maybe that has something to do with it | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i already chwon'ed it | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | the weird things are the .svn files | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | they're not supposed to be in uploads right? | 17:27 |
| @rizen | they'll be there | 17:32 |
| @rizen | on your dev box | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly. but why? | 17:32 |
| @rizen | because when you create your dev site, or do a reset dev you're copying the stuff from the www folder | 17:32 |
| @rizen | copying stuff that has the .svn folders in them | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course | 17:32 |
| @rizen | you know, i wonder if the package file somehow has the .svn folders in it | 17:34 |
| @rizen | the package file should not | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 17:35 |
| @apeiron | Depends upon how you compress it, I should think. tar by default will grab everything. | 17:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | woohoo the subscription migration script seems to work | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | now fix the last subscription asset hickups | 17:51 |
| BartJol | vet | 17:52 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6381 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm: Initial import | 18:46 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | lots and lots of people seem to have issues with ldaps. What about setting up an howto on using an ssl socks proxy, ssh tunnel or some other secure method to connect to the ldap server? | 19:15 |
| fansipans | stunnel is frighteningly easy to setup :) | 19:27 |
| topsub | I was playing around with thingy and was wondering does it support linking of forms? Like the linking of SQL Forms.. Or is there a better way to handle that in thingy? | 19:48 |
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| topsub | It seems i can select thingy from the drop down of adding a new field and able to link it from another thingy.. cool!! | 19:51 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6382 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm: Some templating changes | 19:51 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone have an idea on the YUI sliders? If you have a scale from 0 to 1500 but your slider is only 500 pixels, each pixel is scaled by a factor of 3. But if you have a 100 point step in your slider, that scales to 33.333... But the YUI widget only takes ints. So I'm not sure how to get around this. | 22:01 |
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| ckotil | my coworker the ham radio operator would. but he's out of the office to go to 'radio fest' over in Dayton, OH | 22:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_: workflowIdCommit = workflow used to commit events? | 22:44 |
| @preaction_ | probably | 22:44 |
| @preaction_ | look in Asset::Event->getAutoCommitWorkflowId | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | In Asset/Wobject/Calendar, workflowIdCommit = workflow used to commit events? | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | does it always have to be an autocommit workflow? | 22:45 |
| @preaction_ | what do you mean by "always have to be"? | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what if I wanted to use an approval workflow, would that work? | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | yes | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | so any commit workflow can be used? | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | i mean, there is no such thing as an "autocommit" workflow, there are VersionTag workflows | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | any versiontag workflow will work there | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 22:48 |
| @preaction_ | autocommit is an action that triggers a commit, which in turn triggers a workflow | 22:48 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6383 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (4 files): Fixing broken and missing i18n labels and removing extra whitespace from files. | 23:20 |
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| hankins | Hi! How do I find out how much space and bandwidth I'm using on a plainblack hosted site? | 23:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6384 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/CommercePaymentITransact.pm: adding missing i18n label | 23:47 |
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| lisette | i translate the DateTime and the tildes of the days are visibles with error, this show a char like a triangle, hot to do to fix this? | 00:31 |
| lisette | i translate the DateTime and the tildes of the days are visibles with error, this show a char like a triangle, hot to do to fix this? | 00:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6385 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Revised the various photo gallery icons | 00:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6386 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm): Updated internationalization and hoverhelp | 00:53 |
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| lisette | what variable control name of day? in the calendar? | 01:13 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6387 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Added warning message on required slider allocates for how much left is required. Also removed slider animation as there appears to be a motion bug where the bug can slide further than asked for. | 01:20 |
| * apeiron watches the bug slide. | 01:34 | |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6388 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_shelf-default.wgpkg: Prettied up the default shelf template | 01:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | apeiron: heh, motion bug in the slider bug | 02:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just got that :P | 02:32 |
| * perlmonkey2 parts to go to a birthday party, woot parties! | 02:33 | |
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| pilaf153 | hello | 04:37 |
| pilaf153 | i am looking for help with setting up the shopping cart. | 04:38 |
| pilaf153 | we can enable the shopping cart in the admin console, but now we can find an asset for it. | 04:40 |
| pilaf153 | -can +can't | 04:40 |
| pilaf153 | i see where it says to setup an account and get a ssl, but first i want to find how visitors will buy and view their shopping cart. | 04:47 |
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| pilaf153 | please help. I found some info on a product macro do i need to be using that | 05:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | pilaf153: you still trying to set up Commerce? | 07:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | anyone still working? | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yawp | 07:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what on? Hopefully something really really fun | 07:46 |
| +perlDreamer | It's confidential. If I told you, I'd have to use my top-secret gadgets to wipe your memory. | 07:47 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hmm. Could you go back two years? | 07:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Only two? I'll have to check the manual. What happened two years ago? | 07:48 |
| pilaf153 | hey anyone still around that can help with the shopping vart stuff | 07:50 |
| pilaf153 | perldreamer: i still havent gotten anywhere with it. I will keep checking in to see if you are around | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | pilaf153: the product macro is part of it, you also need to set up products in the Product Manager, in the admin console. | 07:52 |
| +perlDreamer | In the commerce settings (beta), you also need to set up payment gateways and shipping plugins | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | My best recommendation is that you buy a commerce users guide from Plain Black. It's got everything that you need to know in it. | 07:53 |
| pilaf153 | so do you have a link to download the product macro? I only found a placr that talked about it not a download. | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the macro should be in your install, it has to be enabled in your site's config file | 07:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Another thing you should know is that the whole thing is going to be replaced in WebGUI 7.5.11 | 07:56 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Two years ago I started using Java professionally. | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, that will do it for sure | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | "using Java professionally" has the feeling of "using drugs regularly", yes? | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't done either, but I have written in lisp, and feel quite guilty about it. | 07:57 |
| pilaf153 | ok at this point I have products in my admin console. I have payment plugins enabled. what else do I need to do to get the view cart or shopping cart link? Is this where the product macro comes in? If so where do I use the macro. | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | That's the product macro. | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | You give it one of the SKUs or ProductIds from one of your products | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the macro will do the rest | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | time to crash, we older folk need our rest | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | see y'all later | 07:58 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, pilar153: don't forget a shipping plugin! | 07:58 |
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| wgGuest29 | Hi, I have a question about a collaboration System | 18:33 |
| wgGuest29 | In the collaboration system template, it has the next lines <tmpl_if pagination.pageCount.isMultiple> | 18:36 |
| wgGuest29 | to paginate the collaboration system | 18:36 |
| wgGuest29 | I want to add here in the <a></a> a line o code | 18:37 |
| wgGuest29 | To use a lightbox effect here | 18:38 |
| wgGuest29 | How can i do this? | 18:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | wgGuest29: You want to add in some javascript? Just add it to the template? | 18:52 |
| wgGuest29 | mmmmm, I dont control in this line in the template | 19:07 |
| wgGuest29 | <tmpl_if pagination.pageCount.isMultiple> | 19:07 |
| wgGuest29 | <tmpl_var pagination.previousPage> • <tmpl_var pagination.pageList.upTo10> • <tmpl_var pagination.nextPage> | 19:07 |
| wgGuest29 | </tmpl_if> | 19:07 |
| wgGuest29 | Idont have the control to add, lines in this tag | 19:08 |
| pilaf153 | ok I am still working on the commerce stuff. I have been searching for a config file for ever. Where do we find it? | 19:09 |
| pilaf153 | Would it by my companyname.config or would it be mystyle.config or would it be webgui.config | 19:09 |
| pilaf153 | I am only guessing those because I have created a mystyle using a company name and I have seen people reference a webgui.config file but I do not seem to have one of those | 19:11 |
| wgGuest29 | I just add in the <a></a> tag in the pagination line the code rel="moddlebox.htm" | 19:14 |
| wgGuest29 | Google Traductor | 19:15 |
| wgGuest29 | But i do not see where i can do this | 19:15 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6389 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): some bug fixing | 20:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6390 /wrebuild/build.sh: moved List::MoreUtils into main rather than WDK | 21:22 |
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| metanil | i have a method that take the path of image file.. i wanted the image file from webgui.. any idea how to do that? | 21:31 |
| metanil | i can get the image URL from assetID.. | 21:31 |
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| pilaf153 | ok still looking for some guidance and infinite wisdom on this config file | 21:44 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6391 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 22:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed some keywords bugs | 22:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: took beta label away from event manager | 22:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added option to shelf to include items below it and items included via keywords | 22:31 |
| @rizen | pilaf153 i don't know what config file you're talking about, but if you're looking for your webgui config file it's in /data/WebGUI/etc | 22:32 |
| @rizen | and it will be called whatever your site name is | 22:32 |
| @rizen | like www.example.com.conf | 22:32 |
| @rizen | or www.yahoo.com.conf | 22:32 |
| pilaf153 | awesome thank you | 22:39 |
| diakopter | rizen: I just want to say I agree with your emails to the pm list | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: Are you awake? | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_: Howdy | 06:25 |
| @preaction_ | hola | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | why are you underscored? | 06:26 |
| @preaction_ | dunno | 06:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6392 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm: add an add to cart label to share with others | 06:47 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6393 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: make benefits work with the new collateral API (unique keys) | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | benefits, features, accessories, related and accessories | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 down, 4 to go | 07:12 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: but I still havent' seen any examples of using help objects in a wobject and I'm not sure the best way to go about it. I was playing with the idea of just appending small packages to the Survey.pm which would be serializeble data structures capable of manipulating themselves. I'm kind of an abstraction junky and love black boxing data. | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | help objects? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what is a help object? | 18:42 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: just a little class to abstract a small big of data away. Like for the Survey, having all the question code located in a small object, rather than the Survey object having methods for it. | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | gotcha | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Check out Keywords, or Search | 18:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm excited today. I just put in my new MB on my quad core machine, so I'm moving my home dev server from an old P4 to a Q6600 :D | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | production is a C7 1Ghz :P | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Have I told you about my dev server at $dayJob? | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 15 watts at the power cord :P | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a P3 500 MHz | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh no | 19:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that just isn't right. | 19:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | quite close to criminal. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's what happens when you have to scavenge a machine | 19:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that just doesn't even make sense. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you have to remember that I'm a chip designer | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and I don't have root access to my workstation | 19:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | If you're paying $help any sort of decent wage, then ponying up a few G's for a decent machine is actually saving money, by decreasing the tiem they spend waiting. | 19:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 19:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | right | 19:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but still | 19:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | The CS guy admining your boxes doesn't think the EE guys can handle root? | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | No, we can't :) We tinker too much | 19:06 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | worse than mechanics with company trucks | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Time for church, be back later this afternoon | 19:07 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6394 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 19:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add tests for handling adding new collateral. | 19:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Covert features to new collateral API. | 19:22 |
| @rizen | thanks diakopter | 20:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): shelves can see skus under them as well as by keyword | 20:50 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6396 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: convert specifications to new collateral API | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this assetId is almost pronounceable: GdnnKuk_srokFLu0CfmSEw | 23:55 |
| BartJol | whoa | 23:55 |
| BartJol | I think the first elements of the periodic table are easier | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | HHe.... | 23:56 |
| BartJol | LiBenKNOF | 23:56 |
| BartJol | BeBKNOF | 23:56 |
| BartJol | NeNaMgAlSiP | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you win! | 23:57 |
| BartJol | but I stop at Phosphorus | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Is that 23 characters? | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like it is | 23:58 |
| BartJol | mmm | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a valid WebGUI Id, then | 23:58 |
| BartJol | cool | 23:58 |
| BartJol | nice for a acme object | 23:59 |
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| BartJol | it's also too bad that the rest isn't pronounceable | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | BartJol: It's a measure of how tired I am... | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I was going to ask if was as easy to pronounce the periodic table in Dutch as it was in English | 00:31 |
| BartJol | mmm | 00:33 |
| BartJol | but it's only afternoon over there | 00:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's been 37 C here, not getting much sleep at night | 00:35 |
| BartJol | ah | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | brb | 00:35 |
| BartJol | yesterday it was raining here | 00:35 |
| beginwebgui | some of the perl function use path to a certain file.. how use one that is beging saved in webgui.. say for example image file in webgui | 00:37 |
| BartJol | I'm not sure whether I understand you | 00:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6397 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): convert product accessories to use the new collateral API | 00:38 |
| BartJol | do you mean an image in the uploads folder? | 00:38 |
| beginwebgui | yes | 00:39 |
| BartJol | ah | 00:39 |
| beginwebgui | the image is uploaded into a webgui folder.. and i have assetid | 00:39 |
| BartJol | well, I think the assteId is remembered and the path might be in the db, wait, I'll check on that | 00:40 |
| BartJol | I think it's the lineage column, but perlDreamer will be back and probaly knowns it much better then me | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what are we looking for? | 00:43 |
| BartJol | the way of remembering the path of an uploads file | 00:44 |
| BartJol | where is it stored | 00:44 |
| BartJol | ? | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | you instance a WebGUI::Storage object using the storageId | 00:44 |
| BartJol | let's take an up[loaded image | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Image Asset? | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | or Image collateral? | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Or uploaded through the WYSIWIG editor? | 00:45 |
| BartJol | aaah too many questions | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, they're all a little different | 00:46 |
| BartJol | well, beginwebgui wants to know, I don't know what he/she is doing | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui: Please tell me the whole story. What you want, what you've tried, and what the problem is. | 00:46 |
| BartJol | it started 2 days after he was born... | 00:47 |
| BartJol | sorry | 00:47 |
| BartJol | my bad taste of humor is rebellious | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, it wasn't so bad | 00:48 |
| BartJol | just still in the mood of a bachelors party yesterday | 00:49 |
| BartJol | ahlf of them roleplayers | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | like Dungeons and Dragon role players? | 00:50 |
| BartJol | yep | 00:50 |
| beginwebgui | perlDreamer, there's a function which will insert an image to pdf file, the images are available in webgui.. that has already been uploaded. that function takes parameter as path to image location. (sorry for delay) | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui, how were they uploaded? | 00:52 |
| beginwebgui | inside the folder asset | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | using the FilePile? | 00:52 |
| beginwebgui | i mean using folder in webgui | 00:52 |
| beginwebgui | i guess not | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | this isn't well known, but the "Add Files" link in the Folder is just a handy shortcut to the FilePile asset. | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, so it created Image Assets. Do you have the assetIds, or the URLs? | 00:53 |
| beginwebgui | perlDreamer, sorry.. i just check in it.. it turns out to be FilePile | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui: Do you have the assetIds, or the URLs to the images that you want? | 00:55 |
| beginwebgui | ES | 00:56 |
| beginwebgui | YES | 00:56 |
| beginwebgui | I HAVE assetid .. | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | So what you want to do is create an Asset object, so you can ask it how to find the file | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | my $image = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId); | 00:57 |
| BartJol | don't forget to demolish you caps lock key... :) | 00:57 |
| beginwebgui | :) | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | my $imageUrl = $image->getFileUrl(); | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | will your image into PDF function work with URLs, or does it run on the server and need paths? | 00:58 |
| @rizen | man do i love datatable | 00:58 |
| beginwebgui | no i checked it .. it doesn't work with URL.. it will need local path.. | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui, in that case... | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | my $imagePath = $image->getStorageLocation->getPath($image->get('filename')); | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: It looks so cool | 01:00 |
| beginwebgui | oh!!! | 01:00 |
| beginwebgui | thanks.. woot! | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui, tell us more about this PDF project you're working on, please? | 01:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I looked at the Search and Keyword assets and I think I see what you mean. But I'm not sure what I envisioned would mesh. The objects I'm thinking of would be collateral JSON, so they belong in the main asset table. And I would like to be able to do things like tell a section to insert this question as the third index of its questions, which means a lot of has-a relationships. | 01:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | err, I don't think that was coherent. | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it was good | 01:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Okay, the Search and Keyword assets each have their own collateral table and so need definitions and can have options set using the normal wG API. | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, those are the best examples | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Make you a deal | 01:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | But the sections contain question contain answers would be nice if they were in a single column. | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Please look at setCollateral for API soundness, and I'll abstract out jsonCollateral into its own module | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and convert Product to use it | 01:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which is just the serialized last state of the main survey object (well, the part of it that contains the sections et al). | 01:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, don't go changing anything on my account just yet. | 01:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'm still workign through how best to do this. | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen has given that project his blessing. It's just a question of when. | 01:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but do you see hwo different I saw the JSON columns than you did? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that was bad communication on my part | 01:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, not at all | 01:07 |
| beginwebgui | perlDreamer, just like a gallery thing and they can also have an option of getting it in PDF format. Gallery is same as provided by webgui. there is an option to select which image to convert into pdf.. .. For this i have created a new asset (more or less like folder) each image has its own description and title.. i use PDF::API2 to create PDF file.. | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I forgot that Search and Keywords have their own tables | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | whereas all this collateralJSON would be convenience methods for asset data | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | beginwebgui: sounds very cool! Have you considered putting this into the WebGUI Add Ons area? | 01:08 |
| beginwebgui | brb.. from my desktop.. (sorry) | 01:09 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Search has its own table? | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | assetIndex | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, not really | 01:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, either way, I see what you were meaning as far as helper classes. And correct me if this is way off, but I was imaging more black box objects that only took requests and returned responses, but never interacted with WebGUi directly. They woudln't inherit from wG and wouldn't use the API. | 01:15 |
| BartJol | Field | Type | Null | Key | Default | Extra | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | +---------------+-------------+------+-----+---------+-------+ | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | assetId | varchar(22) | NO | PRI | | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | revisionDate | bigint(20) | NO | PRI | 0 | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | classLimiter | text | YES | | NULL | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | searchRoot | varchar(22) | YES | | NULL | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | templateId | varchar(22) | YES | | NULL | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | | useContainers | int(11) | NO | | 0 | | | 01:15 |
| BartJol | on desc search; | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: close | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | the way I've implemented setCollateral, for example, converts a data structure to JSON and then calls the WebGUI API to update the object with its new JSON | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | my goal was to completely isolate the JSON away from the normal Asset methods, so that it would only deal with perl data structures. | 01:17 |
| @perlmonkey2 | That's what I was pondering how to do. | 01:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I should probably just shut up and go try to better grok your new API. | 01:18 |
| @rizen | The term cracker is offensive. We white people prefer Cracko-American. | 01:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hahahahahhaa | 01:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that is just wrong | 01:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | funny.....but wrong :P | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Here's 1 slice of Product API to look at (WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Product) | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | subroutines view, www_moveBenefitUp, www_moveBenefitDown, www_editBenefit, www_editBenefitSave, www_deleteBenefit | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's tested and functioning correctly | 01:19 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll go look them over. | 01:20 |
| @perlmonkey2 | that's in the main trunk? | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:21 |
| * perlmonkey2 guess he could just loko instead of asking :P | 01:21 | |
| * perlDreamer agrees about perlmonkey2 just loko'ing ;) | 01:25 | |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: would do you think about maintaining a hash as an index so that you don't need getCollateralDataIndex? | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I thought about that, but it seems redundant since the collateral is an array | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and everything is accessed via a unique Id | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it used to be accessed only by index | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but I ran into situations where I needed the unique Id | 01:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh I missed that | 01:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | thought it was straight up indexing. | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it used to be | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it was beautiful | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | elegant | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and incomplete :( | 01:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: dionak * r6398 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: Adding missing useCaptcha column to DataForm table. | 01:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | protection from cosmic rays? return unless (abs($index) < $#{$table}); | 01:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | :P | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | someo needs to tell her that's not how it's done | 01:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh | 01:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | duh | 01:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | can't move it down if it is == | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | awake from your sleep and hear your volunteer's plea! | 01:30 |
| @rizen | pong | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | dionak just commited an update to create.sql | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to have that reverted and done via an upgrade script? | 01:31 |
| @rizen | yup, i'll email her | 01:31 |
| +perlDreamer | cool. | 01:31 |
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| +perlCodeNazi | Ve have vays of making your write tests! | 01:32 |
| * perlmonkey2 hides the Jewish code. | 01:32 | |
| +perlCodeNazi | eek | 01:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | doh | 01:32 |
| +perlCodeNazi | perhaps a bad choice of nick | 01:32 |
| * perlmonkey2 went there | 01:32 | |
| -!- perlCodeNazi is now known as perlDreamer | 01:32 | |
| * perlmonkey2 shouldn't ahve | 01:33 | |
| @rizen | i must be dumb | 01:34 |
| * perlmonkey2 tries to figure out how to ask why there is a commit after ever collat call without sounding like he thinks it is wrong and only came up with this. | 01:34 | |
| @rizen | i can only get to level 7 before i cannot continue: http://www.deathball.net/notpron/ | 01:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm stuck on level 2 | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | pm2: there's an update after every setCollateral, because you don't know which one is the last | 01:39 |
| @rizen | there are hints at the bottom of the page | 01:40 |
| @rizen | i even know the answer to number 7 | 01:41 |
| @rizen | i just don't know how to enter it | 01:41 |
| metanil | perlDreamer, poke me when you're ready to hear PDF story (now i'm on my desktop) | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: I was listening before, but please continue in any case | 01:46 |
| metanil | :D | 01:46 |
| metanil | sure | 01:46 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6399 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: convert related assets over to the new collateral API | 01:52 |
| metanil | So i was talking about generating "Image Report" from images that are available from webgui .. BTW, those images and their correspoding information are uploaded by the users.. This createPDF option will allow them to view it as printable format for their reference.. I just created a template for PDF pages.. that will fit images it titlte descriptiton and other file(image infromation).. for simplicity i created one page per images (with descriptions).. i cr | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: I think you got clipped. | 01:53 |
| metanil | ? | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | "for simplicity i created one page per images (with descriptions).. i cr" | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's how your last post ends | 01:55 |
| metanil | oh! :D | 01:55 |
| metanil | (with descriptions).. i create a separate asset for this (more like folder)... it will allow to view images according to their selection (like slideshows).. and then ofcourse creating PDFs... my next plan is to write code for adding user comments on each images.. | 01:56 |
| BartJol | well it's getting late over here, but if you want to see nice journalism: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/109791/59dc4ed8/fail_.html | 01:56 |
| BartJol | goodnight | 01:56 |
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| @rizen | that kevin guy reminds me of Tavis to some degree | 02:09 |
| @rizen | =) | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: I feel stupid for not remembering you talking about this before, because now I remember it. | 02:09 |
| metanil | :D .. thats alright | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Good luck with it, and please feel free to ask more questions | 02:10 |
| metanil | sure | 02:15 |
| @apeiron | hmm, item 6 on that puzzle site doesn't render properly in Safari, FYI. | 02:16 |
| @rizen | it does on my safari | 02:19 |
| @rizen | what makes you think it doesn't render properly | 02:19 |
| @apeiron | Oh, hrmph. | 02:22 |
| @apeiron | It is if I do something a certain way. | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | no spoilers! | 02:22 |
| @apeiron | Trying not to give away any hints. :) | 02:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't do it anyway, no Flash audio on my box | 02:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 6 is driving me crazy | 02:23 |
| @apeiron | It doesn't need Flash. | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | No? Well then! | 02:23 |
| @apeiron | I haven't needed Flash up 'til step 7. | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Back to 4 for a bit | 02:24 |
| @apeiron | 7 doesn't, either, that I'm aware. | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: um having computer problems. Have to take a C2 break :) | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | on 4, is there a problem if you get a client cannot connect from google? | 02:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no, just wrong browser | 02:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | don't need that google | 02:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | can just use normal google | 02:26 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and if you think 4 is a pain, wait until 5 | 02:27 |
| @perlmonkey2 | and 6, I cant' even get traction on it. | 02:27 |
| @apeiron | aha! | 02:28 |
| @rizen | i wish i could figure out how to answer 7 | 02:28 |
| @rizen | i thought i had a way, but it seems not to be it | 02:28 |
| @rizen | i have the answer, just don't know how to put it in | 02:28 |
| @apeiron | Try the most obvious way. | 02:29 |
| @rizen | that just gives you another clue | 02:34 |
| @rizen | to which i also have the answer | 02:34 |
| @rizen | i think | 02:34 |
| @rizen | but maybe i don't and that's what's wrong | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | five wasn't so bad | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but six... | 02:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sheesh | 02:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 6 was stupid, but lucky there are websites to do the hard work for you | 02:39 |
| * perlmonkey2 heads to dinner | 02:39 | |
| @rizen | ooh, just got closer on 7 | 02:41 |
| @rizen | wahoo | 02:42 |
| @rizen | got it | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | how many levels are there? | 02:42 |
| @rizen | no idea | 02:43 |
| @rizen | crap | 02:43 |
| @rizen | #8 i think is going to require biblical knowledge | 02:43 |
| * perlmonkey2 closes his eyes, no spoilers! | 02:45 | |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I'm your man :) | 02:47 |
| +perlDreamer | 81 levels | 02:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm going to take a break. I'm puzzled out. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | man i'm so close on level 8 | 02:59 |
| @apeiron | heh, that was interesting. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | what was interesting? | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: Product is updated to using the new collateral API and tested. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | nicely done PD | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it just needs a template tweak and its done (again) | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 02:59 |
| @rizen | later | 02:59 |
| @rizen | actually that sounds like a good plan | 03:00 |
| @rizen | later | 03:00 |
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| @apeiron | The solution to #8. | 03:02 |
| metanil | thanks perlDreamer.. it worked like a charm!!! | 03:16 |
| +perlDreamer | good deal | 03:16 |
| metanil | BTW, where's the best place to put generated PDF for use access? | 03:17 |
| metanil | it doesn't need to store permanently. | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I would create a temporary Storage location. They're cleaned up automatically | 03:18 |
| metanil | oh! ya ya.. woot | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | my $newStorage = WebGUI::Storage->createTemp($session); | 03:18 |
| metanil | gr8!!! | 03:18 |
| metanil | simply gr8! | 03:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6400 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 03:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Convert variants over to the new collateral API. | 03:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Convert the upgrade script to the new API. | 03:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix a few bugs in the collateral API with "empty" collateral Ids | 03:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: and add tests for it. | 03:18 |
| @apeiron | Blah, #9 has me totally baffled. Clues just aren't coming together. | 03:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Still stuck on 6 | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Time to watch Toy Story and let the laptop cool down | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl, all | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and good hunting! | 04:01 |
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| metanil | is this the way of creating temporary file in webgui ... http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1963b48 | 04:52 |
| @preaction_ | looks good | 04:52 |
| metanil | i am little bit skeptical about creating file first in /tmp folder.. | 04:53 |
| @preaction_ | why not use addFileFromScalar then? | 04:55 |
| metanil | i'll search for the source.. for more info about that.. thanx.. gr8 | 04:56 |
| @rizen | i'd do it a little different actually | 04:57 |
| metanil | how? | 04:57 |
| @rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4afe5ee8 | 04:57 |
| metanil | BTW, preaction_, i returned the URL path, but its just showing the path in browser body. how do it make it directly open it. | 04:58 |
| @rizen | that way you can create the file right in webgui tempspace | 04:58 |
| metanil | rizen: wow | 04:58 |
| metanil | great! | 04:58 |
| @preaction_ | make it a redirect to that url instead? | 04:59 |
| metanil | i didn't know that | 04:59 |
| @preaction_ | session->http->setRedirect or something like that | 04:59 |
| metanil | oh yaa, i had use it for one module.. | 04:59 |
| metanil | thanx rizen, i hadn't think about it.. | 05:00 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6401 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): got transaction management working well enough to notice that there are a few things broken about it =) | 05:09 |
| metanil | rizen, preaction_... they worked like charm!! thanx guys. | 05:11 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | hmm, if I could figure out the candy bar name, I might have 7 | 05:49 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, I simultaneously hate this game and am utterly addicted. It wasn't enough to guess the candy bar, they then mess with your head after that. | 05:54 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Did you get it? | 06:07 |
| @apeiron | The answer, that is. | 06:07 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 7? yes | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | now I'm on 9 | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | which is creepy | 06:08 |
| @apeiron | ha, you beat 8 quickly. | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, 8 was fun. there is a process, follow it meticulously, and the answer came on 8 | 06:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | apeiron: are you playing also? | 06:11 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Yes. | 06:12 |
| @apeiron | 9 has had me stumped for hours. | 06:12 |
| @apeiron | I'm probably just not looking at it properly. | 06:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | want a hint? I haven't solved it, but I just made a breakthrough | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | this is so much fun :P | 06:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I love that the riddles are multi-layered | 06:15 |
| @apeiron | I'm pretty sure I have most of the info, it's just not coming together for me. | 06:17 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | heh, I love the easter eggs sprinkled through this. | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI? | 06:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | deathball | 06:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but yeah, I love those too | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I look forward to searching your commits for more ;) | 06:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and don't think that just because we hang out in IRC that I won't bust your chops about not writing tests, either! | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Someone's gotta ride herd on you PB guys | 06:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, yeah, but writing tests can be cathartic :P | 06:41 |
| @apeiron | It is. | 06:41 |
| @apeiron | I've grown to view testing as a very empirical approach to development. | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | It's worked well for me with this JSON collateral stuff | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I suspect a bug, build a test | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | verify the bug | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | fix the code | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | the test passes, and I'm done. | 06:42 |
| @apeiron | Until the next bug. | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why the methodical, module by module tests that I wrote the last two years | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Session coverage is nigh on 100%, so are User and Group | 06:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I'll just say I've had to learn a lot about audacity to get 10. | 06:51 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, You're at 10? | 06:52 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I was | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just got it | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | 9 made me think of the answer | 06:53 |
| @apeiron | 11, then? | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | well, a superfulous deadend on 9 | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ye | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | You don't have to put on these little glasses that emit laser pulses into your eyes, do you? | 06:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, I hope not | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | because if you do, then Data is screwed | 06:54 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but 9 turned out to be much easier than I was making it. | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, when I export a package, Firefox shows me the contents of the file | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | How do I change that? | 07:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6402 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 07:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add some more i18n labels used in the Product templates. | 07:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update all 4 product templates to use the new buy variant template | 07:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: variables. | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, that means the Product asset is done! | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | poor me. I don't think I can go any further on my linux box. | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 07:08 |
| @perlmonkey2 | in one of the questions source, there is a link to a zip. The zip contains a wmv. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | notpron requires Winblows? | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I can't play it. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | There are wmv libs for Fedora | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | somewhere | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | course, maybe it is actually a jpg :P | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oh, I guess I've defiled my machine with mp3, why not wmv. | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always quickly remove it | 07:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hah, don't need the wmv (I think). | 07:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yay, I finally got one nearly instantly | 07:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | err, maybe not | 07:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I thought I had 13 :( | 07:22 |
| * perlmonkey2 needs deathball AA | 07:24 | |
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| wgGuest58 | is there an easy address book wobject on webgui? | 12:09 |
| wgGuest58 | features: search, duplicate search, filter, contact age | 12:10 |
| BartJol | mm | 12:14 |
| BartJol | I'm afraid not | 12:14 |
| BartJol | but you can make make one with thingy (7.5.x) or currently with an sqlform | 12:18 |
| BartJol | wgGuest58 wath version are you using? | 12:18 |
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| wgGuest58 | ok... do you know of any other CMS that has those features | 12:29 |
| wgGuest58 | i dont have any version yet.. im trying to figure out how i could solve said problem :) | 12:31 |
| BartJol | ah | 12:32 |
| BartJol | well Thingy, which is available in the 7.5 versions is made for such functionality | 12:33 |
| BartJol | you can make all your own fields | 12:33 |
| BartJol | but 7.5 is not considered stable yet | 12:33 |
| BartJol | so that's a bit of a bummer | 12:34 |
| BartJol | it will be shortly if I understand correctly | 12:34 |
| BartJol | unfortunately I'm not that experienced with other cms's | 12:37 |
| wgGuest58 | ok thanks | 12:37 |
| wgGuest58 | there are so many options out there its hard to find anything concrete | 12:38 |
| BartJol | yeah I know | 12:39 |
| BartJol | if you have a clear vision of the desired functionality, www.cmsmatrix.org might help | 12:39 |
| wgGuest58 | thx :) | 12:41 |
| BartJol | but off course, I would go with WebGUI, even if it doesn't exists even I can program functionalities | 12:43 |
| BartJol | and I don't have a programming background | 12:43 |
| BartJol | :) | 12:43 |
| wgGuest58 | ok so its that simple | 12:43 |
| BartJol | I'm not biased... | 12:43 |
| BartJol | well, the API is quite good | 12:44 |
| wgGuest58 | API = ? | 12:44 |
| BartJol | but some perl knowledge is very usefull | 12:44 |
| BartJol | programmers interface | 12:44 |
| wgGuest58 | ok | 12:44 |
| wgGuest58 | si why is perl useful then? | 12:44 |
| BartJol | that means that a lot of functions are pre-programmed | 12:44 |
| BartJol | well, it's written in perl | 12:45 |
| BartJol | it does not mean there is a point and click method of programming | 12:45 |
| wgGuest58 | so do u need to install any drivers on the computer that youre accessing the database with | 12:45 |
| BartJol | :) | 12:45 |
| wgGuest58 | or can you just use the browser on a windows pc and access + modify all your data | 12:46 |
| BartJol | well, if you install the webgui runtime environment, mysql, apache, perl and some other applications are installed and cinfigured for the site | 12:46 |
| BartJol | most things can be maintained via a browser | 12:47 |
| BartJol | new stuff must be programmed on a server | 12:47 |
| wgGuest58 | you mean through ssh? | 12:47 |
| BartJol | but thingy (which is a kind of application builder) can do a lot with databases from the browser | 12:48 |
| BartJol | yes | 12:48 |
| BartJol | i mean ssh | 12:48 |
| wgGuest58 | ok nice... i have this week to check out all different options. | 12:48 |
| wgGuest58 | it would be nice if webgui 7.5 was stable | 12:48 |
| BartJol | all 1000? | 12:48 |
| BartJol | yes | 12:48 |
| BartJol | well, I've got it running without too many problemms, webgui.org too | 12:49 |
| BartJol | theu allways run the latest version, even if it's not stable | 12:49 |
| wgGuest58 | what do u mean about it not being stable thebn | 12:49 |
| wgGuest58 | does it mean theres some risks | 12:49 |
| BartJol | well, it's a declaration | 12:49 |
| BartJol | it means something like : we're working on it, it's not fully tested, so go ahead, use it, but it is possible that there is a bug | 12:50 |
| wgGuest58 | so its just a formality is that what youre saying? | 12:50 |
| BartJol | mostly | 12:50 |
| wgGuest58 | ok | 12:50 |
| BartJol | but for new adds | 12:50 |
| BartJol | new wobjects like thingy | 12:51 |
| BartJol | it can be that it isn't fully functional | 12:51 |
| BartJol | or bad case scenario: the site crashes | 12:51 |
| BartJol | haven't seen that happen up till now | 12:52 |
| BartJol | one time, the forum was emptied, but long live the backups | 12:52 |
| wgGuest58 | damn.. | 12:52 |
| wgGuest58 | if the site crashes do u lose all your info | 12:52 |
| BartJol | well | 12:53 |
| BartJol | probably not all | 12:53 |
| BartJol | but backups are a necessary evil, it might also be tghat the hardware crashes | 12:53 |
| wgGuest58 | can i export excel files into webgui? | 12:53 |
| BartJol | not as a standard function | 12:54 |
| BartJol | but i know a guy that programmed something for that | 12:54 |
| BartJol | if ryuu-ro is online, you can ask him | 12:55 |
| BartJol | but maybe that is a functionality that should be added to the core... | 12:55 |
| BartJol | or at leat a odf import utility\ | 12:56 |
| wgGuest58 | yeah, because the simple task that i outlined for you is aimed at researchers/scietists | 12:57 |
| wgGuest58 | that know nothing about computers...so updating the address book has to be very simple indeed | 12:58 |
| BartJol | but that sounds a bit like a custom functionality anyways | 12:58 |
| wgGuest58 | but youre telling me that making tables like excel is possible in gui | 12:58 |
| wgGuest58 | if u know how to use Thingy | 12:59 |
| BartJol | yes | 12:59 |
| wgGuest58 | and also linking search functions (eg. dupolicate search, filter by country, etc) | 13:00 |
| wgGuest58 | to the table | 13:00 |
| BartJol | webgui takes some time to get comfortable, but when you are, it's really a very flexible system | 13:00 |
| wgGuest58 | ok...nice | 13:00 |
| wgGuest58 | :) | 13:00 |
| BartJol | the filter by country shouldn't be a problem | 13:01 |
| BartJol | not sure what the duplicate dearch should actually do | 13:01 |
| wgGuest58 | yeah because the thing im looking at isnt very complex | 13:01 |
| BartJol | and the new commerce system is also almost done, so a webshop will also be included | 13:02 |
| BartJol | can be included | 13:02 |
| wgGuest58 | well, it should, on command, look through the info and return all contacts that are in the list >1 | 13:03 |
| BartJol | oh | 13:03 |
| BartJol | well | 13:03 |
| BartJol | I only see one problem: I can't help you anymore right now, because I'm going for lunch :) | 13:04 |
| wgGuest58 | its all good, have a good break. i think i got all th e info i need anyway. thank again | 13:14 |
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| BartJol | ik hoor iets van een leeuw grommen | 15:33 |
| BartJol | en een tik | 15:33 |
| BartJol | en dat programma doet moeilijk daat die mp3 geen wav file is | 15:37 |
| BartJol | sorry everyone, wrong tab | 15:40 |
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| SDuensin | Good morning. | 15:55 |
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| dionak | hey all | 16:32 |
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| BartJol | hi | 16:32 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | How is this possible? http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/creating-new-theme-using-yaml | 17:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yaml used to somehow encapsulate templates and css? | 17:22 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6403 /wrebuild/wre/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fix workflow monitor logic, ensure utf8 safety | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I have a few survey functions which *could* be replaced with workflows, but I'm not sure if they should. For instance, setting a date at which users can start taking a survey and setting a date at which users can no longer take a survey. They could be asset attributes, or we could force the user to create a workflow. | 19:44 |
| @preaction_ | i'd say attribute. just less confusing | 19:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, and it lowers the bar for usability. Workflows take someone with some knowledge to do. | 19:46 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6404 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Help, code cleanup, some template changes | 21:55 |
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| pened2 | thanks | 10:54 |
| pened2 | I found the passthrough but wasn't sure that it'll allow the other stuff (Catalyst/TemplateToolkit) to take over control of the paths. | 10:54 |
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| slickware | morning all | 13:51 |
| slickware | who is the best person to talk to about hosting packages - I have a few questions on the Agency hosting deal | 13:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6409 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More UserList sort options | 15:05 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:03 |
| slickware | 'mornin | 16:07 |
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| slickware | anyone here today? | 17:23 |
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| @rizen | just us chickens slickware | 18:15 |
| @rizen | slickware: what are your questions about agency hosting | 18:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: fixed syntax error in Operation/VersionTag.pm | 18:35 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6411 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: CS mail retrieval doesn't decode subject properly | 21:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to start the Survey2 branch on a new server using the WRE and am getting this modperl error. It | 21:53 |
| @perlmonkey2 | s looking like I may have a broken branch. http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7ebaae27 | 21:53 |
| @rizen | you have to install the missing perl modules | 21:53 |
| @rizen | see gotcha.txt | 21:53 |
| * perlmonkey2 bonks himself on the head. | 21:54 | |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: sbin/testEnvironment.pl is a good thing to run on new installs | 21:58 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: it never occurred to me to run that with the wre | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Good point. The WRE usually does provide everything you need. | 22:01 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, well that testenv added one package, but that didn't resovle the failure. (Running setenv in wre/sbin should have set my env's so that testenv was updating the wre perl, right?) | 22:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hhm, yes setenv puts the wre perl first. so I was updating it with testenv. hmm, the mystery grows deeper. | 22:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the gotcha.txt in wre didn't help. Perhaps in WebGUI | 22:05 |
| @rizen | the WebGUI gotcha | 22:06 |
| @rizen | is what i'm talking about | 22:06 |
| @rizen | that's what has new requirements | 22:06 |
| @rizen | there are 4 or 5 perl modules you must install for WebGUI 7.5 | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: shouldn't the testEnvironment.pl script catch those? | 22:08 |
| @rizen | it should yes | 22:09 |
| @rizen | but i always do those manually | 22:09 |
| @rizen | i haven't actually run testEnvironment in years | 22:09 |
| @rizen | perhaps it's time to revisit it | 22:09 |
| @rizen | make sure it works properly | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the missing ones are just undocumented in gotchas.txt _and_ testEnv | 22:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Exception::Class was what I needed. | 00:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | strange | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that in testEnvironment.pl? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | hm.... | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, the last one. | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 00:15 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, probably user error and in the window I was testing in I didn't have the env set. But I was sure I'd done that in all windws. Oh well, works now. | 00:16 |
| @apeiron | Could be a slightly old copy of tE.pl. When I updated it for the new export stuff, I forgot to put E::C in the list. | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: was this using TRUNK, or a branch? | 00:21 |
| @perlmonkey2 | branch | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you may want to merge trunk back into your branch to get all the latest stuff | 00:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | An older branch. I had been using only the /Asset/WebGUI and the /extras/ from that branch with the rest being from stable. | 00:23 |
| @perlmonkey2 | sure, that would be mighty kind of you. | 00:23 |
| lisette | anyone know why i do a change in my site and don't save this changes? | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | don't save or don't see? | 00:27 |
| lisette | don't save | 00:27 |
| @apeiron | Is spectre running? | 00:27 |
| lisette | yes | 00:27 |
| @apeiron | hm. Checked the error log? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | User level caching can often take 10-20 minutes. | 00:28 |
| lisette | webgui.log or error.log of apache? | 00:28 |
| @apeiron | webgui.log. | 00:28 |
| lisette | i do the changes like admin | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of changes? | 00:29 |
| lisette | in the webgui.log i don't see error, only warnings | 00:29 |
| lisette | i edit a page layout for to modified a option in an article | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | page layouts should not affect articles, except for positioning on the page. | 00:30 |
| lisette | but this happend with another stuff | 00:30 |
| lisette | the only change is the ip, maybe can be this? | 00:31 |
| lisette | i add other line in the article and don't save this. | 00:33 |
| @apeiron | I'm trying to give an asset a URL ending with a . as in my $url = 'http://localhost/home/test.'; | 00:33 |
| @apeiron | When I save, the . is stripped: $url =~ s/.$//; | 00:33 |
| @apeiron | Is this a bug? | 00:33 |
| lisette | ? | 00:35 |
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| lisette | was the date of server | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron, no. | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | See Session::Url makeCompliant and i18n/English.pm makeUrlCompliant | 00:41 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Ah, very good. THanks. | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | need to talk to Dr. Rizen to ask why that's in there. | 00:42 |
| @rizen | why ask why, make bud dry | 00:42 |
| @rizen | drink bud dry | 00:42 |
| @rizen | yeah that's it | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | There once was a pirate from Penzance | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Who had fire ants in his pants | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | He hollered and jumped | 00:43 |
| @rizen | ooooh | 00:43 |
| @rizen | ouch | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | His wooden leg went thump | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and his friends said, "Hey, cool dance." | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | so why, rizen, why? Why are you taking our dots away from us? Why? | 00:44 |
| @apeiron | I'd not be surprised if it's part of an HTTP standard and I just don't know such. | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | HTTP shouldn't care about filenames. | 00:45 |
| @apeiron | It may care about URIs / URLs, though. | 00:46 |
| @rizen | it was a request from a client | 00:46 |
| @rizen | that all urls have only one dot in the file name | 00:46 |
| @rizen | i think it was something related to exports | 00:46 |
| @rizen | plus it doesn't hurt anything | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron, you could always make your own translation, called Pennsylvanian, which symlinks all the English i18n files and has its own makeUrlCompliant subroutine. | 00:55 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, I'd probably call it something like 'WeLikeDotsInOurFilesian' or such. :) | 00:56 |
| @apeiron | s/Files/URLs/ | 00:56 |
| lisette | how to alterate the karma of visitor? | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | visitor probably shouldn't get karma, since it could be multiple people | 01:03 |
| lisette | yes, i need to do this | 01:04 |
| lisette | but i have a site that the visitor have karma in 130, i need put in zero, or unabled | 01:05 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6413 /WebGUI/t/i18n/label.t: | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Give the different kinds of labels (subroutine i18n vs object i18n) different textual labels | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: for better diagnostics. | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_FilePile.pm Asset/FilePile.pm): convert FilePile to use i18n labels out of the Asset instead of duplicating them | 03:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed POD for exportGetUrlAsPath. Parameter list didn't match actual | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: parameters. | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6416 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): transaction manager working | 03:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6417 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): added a very basic in shop credit manager screen | 03:31 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Using a "wait mask" over the main content when a modal container is being displayed is just too sexy. I have to work this into the Survey. | 06:18 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Did everyone go to bed? | 06:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | no | 06:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | us aussies are still wide awake | 06:32 |
| @apeiron | Because it's early afternoon for you. :) | 06:33 |
| +Radix-wrk | Well.. not quite lunch time here, but yeah :) | 06:34 |
| @apeiron | You must be a bit further west than Sydney, then. | 06:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | as far west as you can go and still be in australia, yes ;) | 06:34 |
| @apeiron | heh | 06:35 |
| @apeiron | My excuse for being so quiet is that I'm fiddling with accessing Cocoa from Perl. | 06:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I hit that link you left on #perl. | 06:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | pretty cool | 06:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | no cocoa for windows though :( | 06:40 |
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| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, Once you get a Mac I suggest giving it a shot. I was fiddling with the address book earlier. | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of shot did you use, apeiron? Bird, or a slug? | 06:47 |
| @apeiron | heh | 06:47 |
| @apeiron | Perl, actually. | 06:47 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Been fiddling with the Cocoa<->Perl bridge on OSX. | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the blogs on use.perl.org may be of interest, since pudge and others are perl/Cocoa users | 06:47 |
| * apeiron nods | 06:48 | |
| @apeiron | And brian d foy, etc. | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I see I'm preaching to the choir :) | 06:48 |
| @apeiron | But actually the blog post I found which got me started on this was written by someone whose name I didn't recognize. | 06:48 |
| @apeiron | Nonetheless the info was completely valid. | 06:49 |
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| fiddur | Hello folks. Is there any place where consultants working with webgui worldwide (or just sweden?) is listed? ...we have more work than we manage right now and would like to either hire someone on an hourly basis or let them take some contracts. | 07:07 |
| fiddur | I mean working with building sites in webgui, not developing webgui itself. | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | fiddur, do you want a European contractor, or are others welcome? | 07:08 |
| fiddur | perlDreamer: If it were just up to me anyone would be welcome, but I think our customers would prefer a swedish speaking person they can meet here in sweden without too much extra cost... | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a list of webgui service providers here: http://www.webgui.org/w3 | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I would recommend Oqapi and/or Procolix. The are in The Netherlands, and are an excellent company. | 07:10 |
| fiddur | Thanks, I'll look into that | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't believe it | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen busted Text::Balanced | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | line 561 of the EMS confuses its perl codeblock extractor | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's causing the false label trips in the label test | 07:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | not sure if anyone at Oqapi/Procolix speaks swedish tho - but they are both excellent companies I'll agree. UnitedKnowledge are also another company offering services to european countries | 07:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | again, no idea if any of them speak swedish :) | 07:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6419 /translations/German/German/ (7 files): update_from_translation_server | 10:01 |
| @apeiron | Good morning, Deutschland! | 10:02 |
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| patspam | hey Radix did you say you're in western australia? | 10:13 |
| patspam | Radix_: ping | 10:14 |
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| +Radix_ | patspam: yeah :) | 11:50 |
| patspam | ah cool, I'm in Melbourne | 11:52 |
| +Radix_ | s'ok, I won't hold that against you ;) | 11:53 |
| patspam | likewise! =p | 11:53 |
| +Radix_ | hehe | 11:53 |
| +Radix_ | heh.. I was born in Kew myself.. but escaped from Victoria at a young age. | 11:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6420 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Adding the subscription asset | 11:54 |
| patspam | ah nice, I haven't been to Perth yet, but hopefully one day.. | 11:54 |
| +Radix_ | it's a great place :) | 11:55 |
| patspam | are you working for a perl shop over there? or involved in wG for your own stuff..? | 11:56 |
| +Radix_ | nah, not as hard core as that really. We use WebGUI for our company website/intranet/extranet | 11:57 |
| patspam | ah ok, I'm just interested because I haven't run into many people using it here in melb (yet..) | 11:58 |
| +Radix_ | I've done a little contract work on the side as well for WebGUI hosting/development too, but pretty small scale stuff. | 11:58 |
| +Radix_ | Yeah, wish more people were using it.. and more hosting services offering it, but general knowledge of WG is still pretty small. | 11:59 |
| +Radix_ | We've been using webgui since 5.8.x ourselves and it's been very successful for us | 12:00 |
| patspam | nice | 12:00 |
| +Radix_ | but we're prettymuch using stock components.. very little custom development really. | 12:00 |
| patspam | i started using it at a hosting company that was dabbling, and then when that company closed its doors me and a couple of other developers started our own outfit doing lots of custom wG stuff | 12:01 |
| +Radix_ | Which is good as my perl knowledge is still fairly basic :) | 12:01 |
| +Radix_ | cool | 12:01 |
| patspam | yeah we're pretty excited that wG is coming out with all these awesome next-gen Wobjects like Thingy just when we're getting serious about our own custom wG dev | 12:02 |
| +Radix_ | yup, should be good :) | 12:05 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6421 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm): More UserList sort and search changes | 14:17 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:41 |
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| lisette | i want to build a new rich editor and i want to be a plugin of webgui, how to do? | 16:55 |
| lisette | i build the asset or i have to do another stuff? | 16:55 |
| @rizen | It would have to use the same API as and replace the RichEdit asset | 16:56 |
| @rizen | because rich editors are not pluggable in webgui | 16:56 |
| @rizen | so you'd have to replace the RichEdit asset | 16:56 |
| lisette | ok, thanks. | 16:57 |
| lisette | if i want to share with the community, what i must do? | 16:58 |
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| @rizen | simply upload your new module to the "Get Add-ons" area of webgui.org | 17:08 |
| @rizen | Then other people can download it and install it. | 17:08 |
| @rizen | Of course you should provide some instructions on how to install it. | 17:08 |
| lisette | there any posibility that the community were probe to include in the official version of webgui? | 17:10 |
| AMH_bob | @lisette: (could you rephrase that question?) | 17:12 |
| lisette | After that there was any possibility that the community has used the new editor this be included in the official version of WebGUI? | 17:14 |
| @rizen | not likely, but i certainly wont' say no | 17:19 |
| @rizen | i'd have to see what it's capable of | 17:19 |
| @rizen | what it's advantages are over what we have now | 17:19 |
| @rizen | and what the community's reaction to it is | 17:19 |
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| lisette | ok, thanks | 17:26 |
| AMH_bob | @lissete: tiny can be somewhat customized in WebGUI, tiny allows third party plug-ins you can make your self and you could of course just hack away at tiny. (We have done all 3 in the past.) | 17:26 |
| AMH_bob | (We don't always run the same version of Tiny that WebGUI comes with) | 17:27 |
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| AMH_bob | @lisette: The tiny people are also open for suggestions, when I asked them about a feature 4 months ago, they told me that if I could supply the solution, they would consider adding it. | 17:30 |
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| lisette | where i found the Tini people? | 17:37 |
| AMH_bob | http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/ | 17:37 |
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| lisette | i don't make an editor of html, i make a editor with flash and this generated a xml, this editor is to make mind maps | 17:54 |
| AMH_bob | Hmmm, why would you want every editor screen to be based on mind maps? Just add a Wobject that handels the output you need. | 17:55 |
| lisette | we want that this editor have all funtions same that the collaboration system | 18:00 |
| AMH_bob | Hmmm, sounds like good stuff... work out some of your ideas online (including WebGUI wishes like the collaboration system) and drop the url here for a quick brainstorm session - I'm sure people can help you get along with your project. | 18:02 |
| AMH_bob | It's 5pm, work is done - time for pizza and Wii !!! | 18:03 |
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| ckotil | can the search.pl 'site indexing' script be used to index only certain part's of the site? i.e. not import_node , along with some others. | 18:27 |
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| @rizen | ckotil no | 18:31 |
| @rizen | it indexes everything | 18:31 |
| @rizen | it needs it so that search in the asset manager works | 18:32 |
| @rizen | however, your search asset can be limited to a specific portion of the site | 18:32 |
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| ckotil | gotcha | 18:34 |
| ckotil | ya, i confirmed it. | 18:34 |
| ckotil | im just brainstorming a way to get our new 'staging area' out of the scope of the search asset. | 18:35 |
| ckotil | which should be straightforward. simply move all the stuff you want searched beneath a parent, and set the scope tot he parent. but there is one asset, which happens to have a lot of stuff beneath that i cannot move. | 18:35 |
| ckotil | it wont cut and paste. and no errors reach the logs. | 18:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6422 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.38 dev | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6423 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: CS mail retrieval doesn't decode subject properly | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6424 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: email password recovery fields effected by UI level | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6425 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm): fixed: international characters corrupted in titles | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6426 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Session/Output.t Session/Style.t): fixing tests for new output method | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6427 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Help/setHelp.t: setHelp is unused, remove it | 18:40 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6428 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.38 release | 18:40 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: how would the search work with new JSON collateral? | 19:13 |
| @rizen | search doesn't search collateral unless you tell it how to do it anyway | 19:13 |
| @rizen | so you'd just tell it how to read your json | 19:14 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ah, clever. It checks each asset for a search role? | 19:15 |
| @rizen | yup | 19:16 |
| @rizen | there's an indexContent method that you override | 19:16 |
| @rizen | and tell it anything custom you want it to search | 19:16 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | nice | 19:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6431 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey/comm.js: Whups, windows.scrollTo on wrong line. | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | awesome! | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | itranasct now has an xml backend method to update recuuring payments | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: Does that mean that you have to rewrite the driver? | 20:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | it means that everything is easier to implement | 20:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the old driver use LWP to log into the merchant website, accepting a session cookie, and post some data to some form | 20:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | now, i can just create some xml and post that to their backend | 20:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, where are people supposed to end their subscription (or more general: recurring payment)? | 20:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd say in the transaction manager | 20:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 20:25 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6432 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm): More UserList search options | 20:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen are you online? | 21:14 |
| @preaction_ | rizen, remember those Gallery changes (showing pending albums / files to the right people). would it be good to show something saying that they're still pending approval while the person is looking at them? so they don't get the wrong idea? | 21:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | I need to add a method to Transaction called newByGatewayId(gatewayId, gatewayPlugin) | 21:15 |
| ckotil | is search indexing automated? or is it a manual process? i.e. should i add it to cron? | 21:16 |
| @preaction_ | ckotil, it's automatic. when an asset is changed, indexContent gets called | 21:16 |
| @preaction_ | of course, if it's not saved in the normal manner (web interface, www_editSave method), that method is defeated. so there's the sbin/search.pl (i think) | 21:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | also it would be useful to add a method that creates a new tranasction based on another one | 21:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | createFromTransaction or cloneTransaction or so. | 21:18 |
| ckotil | preaction_: thats what i figured. tho it seems necessary to run /sbin/search.pl every now and then | 21:18 |
| @preaction_ | ckotil, if something in the core isn't getting indexed properly, that would be a bug | 21:18 |
| ckotil | a lot of my assets have been getting moved around lately. i tried searching for the string 'iperf' and that string was contained in a title. i was returned nothing. ran the search script w/ full site indexing, and the next search returned the asset i was after. | 21:22 |
| ckotil | and this was not a new asset. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | Its been around for a year at least | 21:24 |
| @rizen | i'm here now | 21:36 |
| @rizen | I'll be adding a page where people can see their transaction history | 21:37 |
| @rizen | and they'll be able to cancel the subscription on that page | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's what i meant | 21:37 |
| @rizen | i haven't added that yet | 21:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:37 |
| @rizen | cuz i wasn't sure who this stuff was going to work | 21:37 |
| @rizen | was waiting on your work to be complete | 21:37 |
| @rizen | cuz i need to add it to the admin's transaction page too | 21:38 |
| @rizen | that's done if you want to look at it | 21:38 |
| @rizen | the admin transaction page i mean | 21:38 |
| @rizen | preaction_ yeah that sounds like a good idea | 21:38 |
| @preaction_ | k | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 21:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll have a lok at it | 21:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, this is what i meant with those extra methods btw: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ma23241d | 21:40 |
| @rizen | extra methods? | 21:41 |
| @rizen | do you mean the clone() method? | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that one and newBygatewayId | 21:41 |
| @rizen | oh i also see the newByGatewayId thing | 21:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | i asked about that sometime earlier in the channel | 21:41 |
| @rizen | i see now | 21:43 |
| @rizen | sorry i didn't read everything when i got back | 21:43 |
| @rizen | yeah, those make sense to me | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm not sure if clone() is a good name though | 21:43 |
| @rizen | i also already added the originalTransactionId field to the transaction table as you asked | 21:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i saw | 21:43 |
| @rizen | clone is fine, although we use duplicate() in other parts of webgui | 21:43 |
| @rizen | so maybe that would be better | 21:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | duplicate it is | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | MrHairgrease: can a user have multiple recurring items in their cart if it is the same item, just a quantity of 3? or do recurring items alway allow only 1 in cart | 21:57 |
| @rizen | i mean for the purposes of checkout | 21:58 |
| +MrAfkGrease | rizen: You cannot specify a qty when setting up a recurring payment | 22:18 |
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| +MrAfkGrease | but if you'd allow for any qty > 1 you could of course just set the price to price*qty | 22:19 |
| @rizen | ok, so by definition then if isRecurring is set to 1 then getMaxAllowedInCart should return 1 | 22:19 |
| +MrAfkGrease | for ITranasact, yes | 22:19 |
| +MrAfkGrease | unless you let the plugin handle it | 22:19 |
| +MrAfkGrease | that is: | 22:19 |
| @rizen | at least for the time being, itransact is what we have to model everything from | 22:19 |
| +MrAfkGrease | price is qty* price in processPayment | 22:19 |
| +MrAfkGrease | and... | 22:19 |
| @rizen | we'll change it later as we add more payment gateways | 22:20 |
| +MrAfkGrease | ok | 22:20 |
| +MrAfkGrease | sounds good to me | 22:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, I'm confused. The docs say that WG::S::Transaction->addItem needs a WG::S::CartItem, but it calls WebGUI::Shop::TransactionItem->create... | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the pod on that says it needs just a property hash | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | from what i can read from the code | 23:14 |
| @rizen | it can use either | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can indeed just do $transaction->addItem( $hashRef ) | 23:14 |
| @rizen | it can either copy a cart item | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:14 |
| @rizen | or you can manually specify all the properties in a hashref | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I needed to be sure | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 23:15 |
| @rizen | but you really shouldn't even need to go that far | 23:15 |
| @rizen | if you give it your cart | 23:15 |
| @rizen | it will copy the item(s) into the transaction too | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is for the duplicate method | 23:15 |
| @rizen | give the transaction your cart when you create the transaction | 23:15 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:15 |
| @rizen | i see | 23:15 |
| @rizen | btw, i'm done with the cart limiting thing, i'll be checking it in shortly | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me know | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i'll svn up | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | the code for the ITransact recurring stuff is ready too | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I haven't tested any of it of course | 23:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, this'll duplicate all transaction properties right? http://webgui.pastebin.com/m1f62e7c | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | Or am I missing something? | 23:19 |
| @rizen | yes...but can you merge two hash references that way? | 23:20 |
| @rizen | i don't think you can | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think you can | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | wanna bet a case of beer on it? | 23:21 |
| @rizen | it seems to me that it would use the first hash ref as a key for the second | 23:21 |
| @rizen | yeah, i'll bet a beer on it | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 23:21 |
| @apeiron | You'll need to deref $overrideProperties first. | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course i meant { %{$hashRef}, %{$override} } | 23:22 |
| @rizen | you owe me a beer | 23:22 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 23:22 |
| @rizen | but i'll buy you one anyway for kicking out this project | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I still have some drinking money left you gave me last year | 23:23 |
| @rizen | or maybe even more than one | 23:23 |
| @rizen | wow, i'm suprised you didn't spend that in a single night | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | Joeri was feeding me | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway it's the 5th wuc so there's reason enough to drink some beers | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | lustrum beers =) | 23:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6433 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.39 dev | 23:24 |
| @rizen | ok it's in | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | oki | 23:28 |
| @tavisto | that's right hairgrease | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | to the bar! | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | just promise me you wont get in any more fights with large rednecks | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | wot da fack | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | who are "messin wid you" | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i are | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | that guy made the wuc even more unforgettable | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | yep and hopefully we can run into more people like him this year | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | who knows | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | Its' like an adventure dude... | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | for you it definitely is.. for me it's an hour flight | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | where I see drunk people that look about the same as when I'm in Michigan | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | well I think drunk people look about the same anywhere | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | yeah but is that because you are drunk when you see them? | 23:47 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6434 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku.pm i18n/English/Shop.pm Shop/Cart.pm): check for mixed recurring and non-recurring items in the cart | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, plugin code is more or less finished as far as i can see for now | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | should i commit even though it isn't tested? | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does compile | 23:52 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | comitted | 23:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta go | 23:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | will test the stuff tomorrow | 23:58 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6435 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (subscription.gif small/subscription.gif): Adding the subscription asset icons. | 00:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6436 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (Transaction.pm PayDriver/ITransact.pm): Recurring payment stuff for the ITransact plugin. Still needs to be tested. | 00:21 |
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| lisette | the userImport whit --update do a change of password? | 00:27 |
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| lisette | ? | 00:34 |
| lisette | anyone knows? | 00:41 |
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| juan | i have in a txt file the next fields, username and password | 00:48 |
| juan | when i execute perl userimport.pl --update --canChangePass | 00:49 |
| juan | the password will be updated? | 00:49 |
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| @rizen | lisette yes | 01:20 |
| @rizen | juan yes | 01:20 |
| @rizen | but you don't need --canChangePass | 01:20 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: it arrived. I'll run it by fedex/ups this evening. | 01:33 |
| @rizen | thank you | 01:34 |
| @rizen | don't forget to take out your headset | 01:34 |
| @tavisto | dude my new mac hasn't showed up yet... wt | 01:37 |
| @tavisto | wtf | 01:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | rizen: no worries, got it | 01:41 |
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| @rizen | tavisto, you get a new mac as soon as you buy me that archology that i showed you today | 01:41 |
| @tavisto | wait a minute.. that's a horrible deal | 01:42 |
| juan | rizen | 01:45 |
| @rizen | juan | 01:46 |
| juan | the password is not being updated | 01:46 |
| juan | what can i do? | 01:46 |
| @rizen | well you're either doing it wrong | 01:46 |
| @rizen | or there is a bug in that program | 01:46 |
| juan | my file have two columns username and password | 01:47 |
| @rizen | it's not password | 01:47 |
| @rizen | it's "identifier" | 01:47 |
| juan | i put identifier too | 01:47 |
| @rizen | the keyword at the top of the column | 01:47 |
| @rizen | oh | 01:47 |
| @rizen | and what's the full command line that you're running? | 01:47 |
| juan | perl userImport.pl --userfile --configfile --canChangePass --update | 01:48 |
| juan | the users were added 5 days ago | 01:50 |
| juan | and now i need to change the password for all | 01:50 |
| @rizen | you have no reference to the user file in there | 01:51 |
| @rizen | or the right config file | 01:51 |
| juan | yes i have reference in both | 01:51 |
| @rizen | not in what you just pasted | 01:51 |
| @rizen | i asked for the full command line | 01:51 |
| juan | perl userImport.pl --usersfile=prueba.txt --configfile=www.countryclub.com.co.conf --canChangePass --update | 01:52 |
| @rizen | and what's the resulting output look like? | 01:52 |
| @rizen | does it give you "skipped" | 01:52 |
| @rizen | or what next to each username | 01:52 |
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| juan | the fields are separated by tab | 01:53 |
| @rizen | no the output | 01:53 |
| @rizen | not the file | 01:53 |
| @rizen | the output when you run the program | 01:53 |
| juan | the output show the next Starting up...OK | 01:54 |
| juan | Adding user ivan000101 | 01:54 |
| juan | Updating user margarita000102 | 01:54 |
| juan | in all the users show Updating user ..... | 01:55 |
| @rizen | ok | 01:55 |
| @rizen | i just wanted to make sure it wasn't saying "skipped" | 01:55 |
| @rizen | so it is actually running and finding the users...so it must be a bug in the program that it's not changing the password | 01:55 |
| @rizen | so report the bug | 01:55 |
| juan | what happen if it saying skipped? | 01:56 |
| juan | what will be the problem? | 01:56 |
| @rizen | if it says skipped, then that usually means you've put some sort of conflicting directive on the command line | 01:58 |
| juan | rizen if i want to delete all the users, what tables will be altered? | 01:59 |
| @rizen | for example, if you tell it to import a user that already exists and you don't use --update | 01:59 |
| @rizen | 6 or 8 tables | 01:59 |
| juan | What? | 01:59 |
| @rizen | don't do it manually | 01:59 |
| @rizen | write a program to do it | 01:59 |
| juan | ok | 01:59 |
| @rizen | if you want to delete them all | 01:59 |
| @rizen | or fix the userImport.pl script | 02:00 |
| @rizen | that may or may not be easier to do | 02:00 |
| juan | can i obtain in plain text the password of a user? | 02:03 |
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| @apeiron | Anyone here besides the awesome folks at PB going to YAPC? | 04:28 |
| @preaction_ | i'm an awesome folk at PB and i'm not going | 04:29 |
| @apeiron | Yes, well, we have to keep you away from society. | 04:30 |
| @preaction_ | I am how nature says "Do Not Touch" | 04:30 |
| @apeiron | (I also make note that I'm retreating here since #perl has changed into #perl.fr) | 04:31 |
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| @apeiron | wheeeeeee | 06:12 |
| @apeiron | xdanger, Just you and me, kiddo! | 06:13 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:13 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6437 /branch/WebGUI_flux: a branch for flux privilege rules | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | what are flux privilege rules? | 19:51 |
| @preaction_ | a new idea for enhancing privileges by chaining together rules | 19:52 |
| @preaction_ | at least, from what I read | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | read? | 19:52 |
| @preaction_ | they (whoever they are, i don't remember) discussed with JT about it, who solicited some opinions from the rest of the PB devs | 19:53 |
| @preaction_ | i think patspam has something to do with it | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I think snapcount did something like that a while ago. | 19:53 |
| @preaction_ | i think he was going to, but never got around to it | 19:55 |
| @preaction_ | but yes, it does sound like his chains thing | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | It might be worth asking him if he still has the code, or, going back through the IRC logs to find the discussion. | 19:55 |
| @preaction_ | i think they're two different beasts. his chains thing went into the request cycle, this flux thing seems like it goes into the permissions checks | 19:55 |
| @preaction_ | canView, canEdit, etc.. | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 19:56 |
| @rizen | they're two different things | 20:07 |
| @rizen | his chains idea was closer to what URL and content handlers are | 20:07 |
| @rizen | flux is all about user privs | 20:07 |
| @rizen | patspam's company is going to be developing flux | 20:10 |
| @rizen | with patspam being the lead developer | 20:10 |
| @rizen | i haven't given him the ok to put it into the core yet, but i told him that if he developed it in svn so i can monitor it's progress and give him feedback along the way | 20:11 |
| @rizen | he'd have a better chance of getting it in | 20:11 |
| @rizen | and overall there's a better chance it will turn out better, because it will be an open process | 20:11 |
| @rizen | he's going to email a pdf to the dev mailing list to solicit feedback | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 20:14 |
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| lisett1 | how to create a rich editor rather than a text area is a flash and that the buttons controlling the same flash, and that the information delivered to me this flash are some parameters to create an xml. | 20:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | lisett1: you might want to look for open source, or free, or if you are willing to pay for it, commercial flash wdigets for doing that. Else you will probably have to write your own. | 20:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | And then embed it in WebGUI. | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | using your own form control | 20:34 |
| lisett1 | i do the flash | 21:03 |
| lisett1 | but i don't know embed in webgui | 21:04 |
| lisett1 | form control? | 21:04 |
| lisett1 | how? | 21:04 |
| ckotil | hrmm, ive dont it in a couple places. lemme look to see how. | 21:12 |
| ckotil | s/dont/done | 21:12 |
| ckotil | first step is to upload the swf as a file asset. | 21:13 |
| ckotil | ah, then i used the flash template as a starting point and edited it to work with my swf. | 21:15 |
| ckotil | not sure if that helps. i can pastebin my flash template if you want | 21:15 |
| ckotil | anyone ever get their search asset to highlight search terms in the results? | 21:41 |
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| lisett1 | yes | 22:11 |
| lisett1 | please | 22:11 |
| lisett1 | ckotil, yes, please. | 22:21 |
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| lisett1 | which is the url? | 22:36 |
| ckotil | this is my flash template | 22:44 |
| ckotil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m75756ede | 22:44 |
| ckotil | upload the swf as a file and webgui recognizes it as flashh | 22:44 |
| lisett1 | thanks | 22:45 |
| ckotil | you're welcome. i hope it helps | 22:45 |
| lisett1 | ok, and how to put this like a rich editor? | 22:45 |
| lisett1 | i have a flash that make map mentals, and i need to convert to xml | 22:46 |
| ckotil | Thats a tough question. Im not sure | 22:47 |
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| @tavisto | hey Colin, what's your preferred email addy | 22:49 |
| @tavisto | need it for OSCON | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | OSCON? | 22:50 |
| @tavisto | yes... exhibit booth | 22:50 |
| @tavisto | passes | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, the Oregon Society for Criminally Oriented Naturalists | 22:50 |
| @preaction_ | they'd be more appealing if they weren't naked all the time | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | warmer, too | 22:51 |
| @tavisto | i'll make sure I sign you up for all of the great russian spam lists | 22:52 |
| @tavisto | muwhahaha! | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | If you do that, it will cost you your salvation | 22:52 |
| @tavisto | just kidding.. I only do that to doug e. fresh's PB email | 22:53 |
| fansipan1 | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/taxonomyfail.jpg?w=360&h=480 | 22:55 |
| fansipan1 | looooool | 22:55 |
| @perlmonkey2 | fansipan1: that has to be a joke | 23:30 |
| @perlmonkey2 | surely no one is that stupid? | 23:30 |
| fansipan1 | either way it's funny :colbert: | 23:31 |
| fansipan1 | ai! wrong chatroom! well, hope it gave you guys a chuckle :) | 23:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | heh | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | hey that's my cat | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | fluffy! | 23:33 |
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| JohnRestrepo | mmm | 23:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.lessaid.net/fun/apt-get-wife.png | 04:38 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6438 /branch/WebGUI_flux/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: Blindly fixed a couple of problems in VersionTag.pm that were stopping my branch from loading. | 06:38 |
| patspam | my first commit :) | 06:39 |
| @preaction_ | word | 06:40 |
| @apeiron | That'll be one soul, please. | 06:40 |
| @preaction_ | that's all? it's gotten cheaper over the years... | 06:41 |
| @apeiron | I figure if I ask for too much all at once to replenish what you took from me that it'll look suspicious. | 06:41 |
| @preaction_ | next thing you know we'll be letting them keep their wives, girlfriends, and children | 06:41 |
| @apeiron | ... er, did I type that out loud? | 06:41 |
| dionak | lol | 07:00 |
| dionak | who is patspam? and who does he work for? | 07:01 |
| dionak | is he a plainblack special agent? | 07:04 |
| @apeiron | I'm sorry, you're not classified to have that knowledge. | 07:05 |
| @preaction_ | neither am I, for that matter | 07:05 |
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| @preaction_ | and now, it escalates | 07:07 |
| @apeiron | You've learned well the ways of freenode, preaction_. | 07:07 |
| @apeiron | ... remove'ing me while I'm not looking at IRC. hmph. | 07:07 |
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| citronized | hi :) | 14:46 |
| citronized | Does someone knows when "thingy" will be realeased ? | 14:47 |
| bartjo1 | like in stable version you mean? | 15:03 |
| bartjo1 | because thingy is already available in the 7.5 series | 15:03 |
| citronized | yup, like in stable version :) | 15:32 |
| bartjo1 | ah, well | 15:35 |
| bartjo1 | then you should ask one of those crazy americans | 15:36 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:15 |
| bartjo1 | hi | 16:22 |
| @perlmonkey2 | X11 forwarding over ssh tunnels via the internet doesn't work so well. | 16:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just an FYI in the extremely miniscule chance you were interested. | 16:44 |
| bartjo1 | well, hadn't thought about that... | 17:02 |
| ckotil | really? i feel like ive done it before , and it worked OK | 17:03 |
| ckotil | i remote desktop in windows XP all the time. | 17:03 |
| ckotil | ive used an ssh tunnel for the windows remote desktop too | 17:04 |
| bartjo1 | or vnc | 17:04 |
| ckotil | ya, works ok too | 17:04 |
| bartjo1 | but i only use it for windowsa | 17:04 |
| bartjo1 | don't know how X behaves | 17:04 |
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| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, I've forwarded over TCP/IP without any issues, if that helps. | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, you there? | 17:24 |
| @rizen | nope | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | good | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just mistyped some url shop=transactuion;method=shop | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and this line appereared in my log 31 times | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2008/05/23 16:23:10 - ERROR - dev.localhost.localdomain.conf - main::[[undef]] - WebGUI::Content::Shop:74 - Couldn't call non-existant method www_transactuion | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | that number correlates to the 31 transaction that have been created when checking out one (1) donation | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea where that repetition comes from | 17:26 |
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| @rizen | yes | 17:28 |
| @rizen | you've run resetdev 31 times | 17:28 |
| @rizen | so now the shop content handler is in your config file 31 times | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | it indeed was | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | shouldn't the upgrade script chcek for that? | 17:30 |
| @rizen | why? | 17:30 |
| @rizen | it's not like someone is going to run the upgrade script 31 times | 17:30 |
| @rizen | and if they do, that's their problem | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | whatever | 17:30 |
| @rizen | are you in a fighting mood? | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, why not? | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you? | 17:31 |
| @rizen | not particularly | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | never mind then... | 17:32 |
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| ckotil | oen of my users who's is a Joomla fanatic, found this change log. http://www.plainblack.com/getwebgui/advisories/webgui-6_7_0-beta-released It says Rich editor now has 3 new buttons: paste from word, paste as plain text and fullscreen. | 18:10 |
| ckotil | Where did these features go? Is there a new rich editor in WG 7? | 18:10 |
| @rizen | you just have to enable them | 18:11 |
| @rizen | edit your rich editor config | 18:12 |
| @rizen | rich editor is an asset like any other | 18:12 |
| ckotil | ok, can you direct me to this config? | 18:13 |
| ckotil | is it in import node? | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:15 |
| ckotil | kthx | 18:15 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease, i think it makes sense to add a onStopRecurring method to Sku that can be extended by recurring subclasses and will be called when someone hits the "stop" button on a recurring item | 18:22 |
| @rizen | what do you think? | 18:22 |
| @rizen | oh, and by default that method will send a message to the store administrator letting them know that the recurrence has been stopped by the user | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | although it might be better to call it onCancelRecurring | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | since I call it 'cancel a recurring transaction' in my code | 18:26 |
| @rizen | ok | 18:27 |
| @rizen | perhaps i'm overthinking it, but cancel would seem to suggest that it will undo previous recurrences also | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you remember, btw, if it is possible to test the recurring postback functionality trough the test account of itransact? | 18:28 |
| @rizen | i don't know | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you ask me, you are overthinking | 18:28 |
| @rizen | fair enough | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the docs they call it canceling a recurring transaction too | 18:28 |
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| nuba | i see theres a job posting from atomic learning for a catalyst perl developer on jobs.perl.org | 18:56 |
| nuba | wonder if that means they're moving away from webgui | 18:56 |
| nuba | or just divesifying their shop | 18:57 |
| @rizen | they moved away from webgui as far as i know | 18:57 |
| nuba | i remember they used to have one of the kickassest inffrastructure for webgui hosting by 2004 or so | 18:58 |
| nuba | their boxes all had beefy specs, over the top | 18:58 |
| @rizen | yeah, but they didn't want to use webgui the way it was intended to be used, which made hosting very difficult for them | 18:58 |
| @rizen | so they decided to write their own system just for their video publishing system | 18:59 |
| nuba | i see | 18:59 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6439 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm): Some more UserList search options and added (un)install methods. | 19:07 |
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| lisett1 | hello, i need to make a macro that return a xml, how to do | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | lisett1, are you still trying to do the Flash that returns XML? | 19:25 |
| lisett1 | yes | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | A while ago, on the webgui forums, someone asked a similar question. | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | The flash has to call some javascript that will do an AJAX call back to WebGUI | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's about all the detail we have on that | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Doing such a thing is completely new to WebGUI | 19:26 |
| lisett1 | but the flash does not return the xml, interprets it, which should return the xml is the macro | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, see. That's the problem in your understanding. | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | The macro generates code which is sent to the browser | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the browser runs the flash | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it will make the XML, and then has to get it back to the server | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the macro does not actually run on the user's browser | 19:29 |
| lisett1 | then i can't do this? | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, it can be done | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | But no one that I know in WebGUI has ever done it | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | So we won't be of much help | 19:29 |
| lisett1 | ok | 19:31 |
| lisett1 | i can do a new button for the rich editor? how to do this? | 19:37 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6440 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): added recurring transaction cancellation handling | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I would hope all of you devs would give some kind of feedback about my testing question (even if it's "I don't care"). :) | 22:57 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I just signed in and nothing new is showing up in the rss feeds, so you must have posted your question in irc and I missed it :) | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it's on the dev list. Spectre hasn't sprayed the emails out yet. | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | But you can see it in the forum | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/i18n-label-testing#mpfFaBdyg2i7wcjxB6097Q | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | basically, fast but broken vs slow but correct | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | where fast = 20 minutes :/ | 23:02 |
| @preaction_ | i put my 2? in, even though the smoke test box hasn't done a valid run in a week :p | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: Please! | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | you're a dev | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and I value your opinion a lot | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | even though I can psychically intuit it | 23:03 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think its a no brainer. Slow and correct. Hardware is cheap. | 23:03 |
| @preaction_ | and the tests that take that long are not run as the normal thing. you have to enable them yourself | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I could put together a OC'd quad core text box for $600 that should be able to chew up anything. | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, via env CODE_COP=1 | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Have you used Perl::Critic? :) | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: only casually just to see what it woudl say about my code. | 23:04 |
| @perlmonkey2 | just to play with it. never used it for realz. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | sometime when you want to heat your house, run Perl::Critic on the whole WebGUI core. | 23:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hahaha | 23:05 |
| @apeiron | .... and use one of the new Macbook Pros. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | even with just gentle it will run for a long time | 23:05 |
| @apeiron | Those things run hotter than my 950 MHz AMD. | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | long time >> 60 minutes | 23:05 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I have my quad running at 3.2Ghz. I bet it wouldn't cry overly much :P | 23:06 |
| @apeiron | Seriously though, I would agree on the grounds that T::B hasn't been updated since 2006 despite having bugs from two years before that besides. | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll bet 1 Teddywedger that it's still slow, even on your quad box. | 23:06 |
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| @apeiron | Unless you want to go comaint on the module (assuming Damian agrees to that) to fix it. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron, that's what made me seriously think about the Perl::Critic solution. if T::B isn't being maintained anymore, PPI/Perl::Critic is our best bet. | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe y'all can talk Chris Dolan into looking at my code or something. | 23:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, You mean to make it faster? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:08 |
| @apeiron | I imagine you've profiled it yourself? | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 23:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | so the concensus of apeiron, preaction_ and perlMonkey2 is "We have fast hardware and we don't have to run it if we don't want to". Does that summarize it correctly? | 23:11 |
| @apeiron | I would add a clause about Moore's Law in there as well. | 23:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yes | 23:12 |
| nuba | slow and correct++, too, here | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | nuba: You're not dead! That's very good. | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and thanks for your response :) | 23:16 |
| nuba | not yet, i guess | 23:16 |
| nuba | np | 23:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction_: What _is_ up with the smoke tests? | 23:24 |
| @preaction_ | i don't know | 23:26 |
| @preaction_ | i think the box restarts, but i don't have the WRE restart with it | 23:26 |
| @preaction_ | that and/or there's a missing dependency that's killing one which kills the other | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you're blocking for tuits and a remote login would work, I might have some time next week to look at it. | 23:32 |
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| pilaf153 | I am working on shopping cart stuff but I cant figure out how all it works. I am to the point where I have found my config file. I see something about the product macro but I am not sure what needs to go into the config file. | 03:07 |
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| elnino | howdy! | 06:43 |
| elnino | small crowd this evening. | 06:43 |
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| fidodido | hello | 17:52 |
| fidodido | can someone give some advices in site optimizing? | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | hey perlDreamer...i just tried out the product, and can't add one to the cart | 19:12 |
| @rizen | is that because you aren't that far yet? | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | can't add one to the cart? | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:15 |
| @rizen | it doesn't seem to get past the index check in www_buy | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Probably because I haven't gotten inventory control working with the new collateral yet | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm on it! | 19:16 |
| @rizen | ok that's fine | 19:16 |
| @rizen | was just wondering if it was incomplete or a bug | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | both ;) | 19:16 |
| @rizen | i just created a new macro called MiniCart and was trying to use product to test it out | 19:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6442 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added some UserList help and small fixes. | 19:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: I think the Product bug is fixed, but it needs more work yet. | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | If my battery will let me, that is | 20:42 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6443 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix a few variant collateral bugs in the Product | 21:05 |
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| @rizen | thanks for the heads up | 21:39 |
| @rizen | man do i hate writing help | 21:40 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, i also saw that you made a fairly large error with templates | 21:50 |
| @rizen | you're using a . in variable names | 21:50 |
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| @rizen | pd: i don't think you saw when i posted it before, but i noticed that you made a mistake in your templates | 22:55 |
| @rizen | you're using dots in template variable names | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 22:55 |
| @rizen | relatedproduct.URL | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | those were already there | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want them translated to new format? | 22:56 |
| @rizen | variant.controls | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | That I'm responsible for | 22:56 |
| @rizen | that was already there? | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | relatedProduct.URL was already there | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I figured the variant template variables would be grandfathered in | 22:56 |
| @rizen | perhaps you forgot, but we (you and me) decided a while back that we're removing dots from template variable names | 22:56 |
| @rizen | why would we grandfather anything in? | 22:57 |
| @rizen | it's just more work for us when we fix the problem later. | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll change them | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want the others changed after the freeze? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and how should existing user product templates be handled? | 22:58 |
| @rizen | if you have time, yes, i think now would be a great time to change them | 22:58 |
| @rizen | people will have to update their templates anyway to reflect the new variant system | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 22:59 |
| @rizen | we can put a gotcha in to tell people to update their templates...since they'll have to anyway | 22:59 |
| @rizen | btw, how many product templates come with webgui. only 1 right? | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | 4 | 22:59 |
| @rizen | ok, please get rid of all but 1 | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the one labeled Default Product? | 23:00 |
| @rizen | and i'll have steve update the 1 | 23:00 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:00 |
| @rizen | and make sure to update all the product asset instances that might be using the old templates | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:00 |
| @rizen | i've told steve he has to make a new template for products | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | when should I have the template variables done for Steve? | 23:01 |
| @rizen | so give him 1 working template | 23:01 |
| @rizen | asap | 23:01 |
| @rizen | he's going to start on it next week if you're ready for him | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, I'll do it first, then inventory in the Product, then import/export products | 23:01 |
| @rizen | if you're not ready for him, then i'll have him work on the cart and address book templates next week | 23:01 |
| @rizen | which are done, but are less critical | 23:02 |
| @rizen | i'm sorry to hit you with this, i thought you remembered our discussion about changing these things | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Dude, it's my bad. I remembered the changing, just didn't understand the extent and immediacy. Thy will will be done. | 23:04 |
| @rizen | btw...what do you think about doing the template variable updates as a primary focus of 7.6 | 23:05 |
| @rizen | just to get it over with | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | template variable updates == ( tr/./_/; and i18n labels)? | 23:06 |
| @rizen | yeah | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be okay | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd also like to do a bunch of test work | 23:07 |
| @rizen | that's probably a better idea | 23:09 |
| @rizen | i'll either handle the template translation stuff entirely myself, or i'll push it to 7.7 so we can work on it together. | 23:09 |
| @rizen | i want you to work on whatever makes you happy. | 23:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I think both are important, and we have 6 months for 7.6? | 23:10 |
| @rizen | unless i decide to make 7.6 a year long effort, yes | 23:10 |
| @rizen | i've still not decided from our dev mailing list discussion which way to go | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | what else is 7.6 going to have besides template vars? | 23:11 |
| @rizen | can't discuss it publicly | 23:12 |
| @rizen | announcing it at the wuc | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll wait :) | 23:12 |
| @rizen | got to have something to talk about for an hour up there | 23:13 |
| @rizen | can't use a whole hour to extoll the benefits of perlDreamer | 23:13 |
| @rizen | =) | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you could talk a _little_ about WebGUI | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it might also be nice to do a little recap of the year | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | 2008 was the year that WebGUI's dev community grew | 23:14 |
| @rizen | i usually do | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes it was good, like vegetables | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes it was bad, like weeds | 23:14 |
| @rizen | are you trying to come up with imagry for my speech? | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | No, I've been doing gardening today. | 23:15 |
| @rizen | ah | 23:15 |
| @rizen | i was going to say, the environment was my theme from last year | 23:15 |
| @rizen | have the new theme, but don't have the music yet | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Something from John Williams? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:17 |
| @rizen | methinks that would break the tradition pretty substantially | 23:17 |
| @rizen | though i am giving some serious consideration to some new orleans style jazz music | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | since when have you been a traditionalist? | 23:18 |
| @rizen | i'm just saying...ever since the first wuc, i've played some sort of rock music as the opening to my keynote address | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you heard of Skillet? | 23:19 |
| @rizen | in addition, there's always been a korn song either at the beginning or end of it | 23:19 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:19 |
| @rizen | I'm thinking about using the music behind "Down and Out" by Tantric | 23:35 |
| @rizen | it's got this nice mix of a violin or cello with rock guitar and drums | 23:35 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds good | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it bad if you want to duct tape your children to the ceiling? | 23:42 |
| @rizen | nope | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | excellent, be back in 15! | 23:43 |
| @rizen | i think you're good as long as you don't cage them | 23:43 |
| @rizen | i hear that will get you 20 years | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, I read that. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Talk about infringing on a parent's right to discipline their children. | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Next they'll be telling us that you can't wash their mouths out with soap. | 23:43 |
| @rizen | indeed | 23:44 |
| @rizen | or whip them with a hickory stick | 23:44 |
| @rizen | i guess that's a hickory switch | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Hickory stick sounds like President Jackson | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Or something from Tillamook Smoker | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | oh dear, I need to clean up the Commerce templates, too. | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | that can wait a bit | 23:50 |
| @rizen | commerce templates? | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | From the old commerce system | 23:50 |
| @rizen | you mean delete the old ones? | 23:50 |
| @rizen | oh | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:51 |
| @rizen | i'll take care of that | 23:51 |
| @rizen | that's what i plan on doing on monday after i have all the current stuff set up | 23:51 |
| @rizen | there are a few things left to template like the "thank you page" | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a little bit of code set up for deleting the Help, i18n and the code from the Commerce. | 23:51 |
| @rizen | and the email that gets sent out on a new order | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | removeOldCommerceCode in the upgrade script | 23:52 |
| @rizen | ok i'll have a look when it comes time | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | are we going to make it? | 23:52 |
| @rizen | i think so | 23:52 |
| @rizen | i plan to have everything wrapped up before i quit on monday | 23:52 |
| @rizen | provided that MrHairgrease finishes the subscription/recurring stuff | 23:53 |
| @rizen | i think we'll make it | 23:53 |
| @rizen | oh and that preaction and haarg finish the stuff they're working on | 23:53 |
| @rizen | i assume you will be done on time...that's a good assumption, right? | 23:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm way busy on Sunday | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and I still have to be a dad | 00:26 |
| @rizen | you realize that the feature freeze isn't until next saturday right? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have my code in by Saturday | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | It will need some polish, but will be functional | 00:31 |
| @rizen | we've got all of june to polish | 00:31 |
| @rizen | technically all of june and july | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: Can I ask a favor? | 00:40 |
| @rizen | of course | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd love to get a copy of the smolderbot/buildbot slides from YAPC::NA | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | they may be posted online after the conference, but just in case | 00:41 |
| @rizen | they don't distribute slides at yapc | 00:41 |
| @rizen | like the cd that we do witht he wuc | 00:42 |
| @rizen | but i'll ask whomever is giving the talk | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll owe you one. You can expect something apple-y and pie-like at OSCON. | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: templates variables are committed. Time for testing. | 01:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6444 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Translate all Product variables to use underscores instead of dots. | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update i18n and Help and the Product Template. | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Remove the Benefits Showcase, Left Column Collateral and Three Columns Product templates. | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | testing looks good, committed a small fix. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: If a variant has no available quantity, do you want it displayed by disabled, or left off completely? | 01:47 |
| @rizen | man that's a really good question | 01:52 |
| @rizen | you display it twice, right? once in the buy dropdown, and once in the variants list | 01:53 |
| @rizen | so i'd say leave it out of the buy dropdown if there is no quantity left | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds good, and saves me from extending the SelectBox form control, since it can't do that by default. | 02:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6445 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: only show the buy form if there are variants to sell | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the bottom of that form is getting crowded | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Steve is going to have his work cut out for him | 02:02 |
| @rizen | you mean all the different options you can attach to a product? | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:03 |
| @rizen | yeah | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | accessories, related, specs, benefits, features and variants | 02:03 |
| @rizen | but it also makes product hella powerful | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | all we need to do is get Thinkgeek to use it :) | 02:03 |
| @rizen | that would be awesome | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i honestly can't wait until we start getting in RFE's on the new shop | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i bet people have all kinds of ideas on how to make it cool | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, like getting image1 associated with each related product/accessory | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if an asset method returns '', does view or www_view get called? | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to pass an error variable back to view | 02:07 |
| @rizen | www_view | 02:24 |
| @rizen | set a stow variable | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, thanks. | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | CartItem is a very nice piece of work, btw | 02:24 |
| @rizen | or set a variable in the asset | 02:24 |
| @rizen | hashref | 02:24 |
| @rizen | thank you | 02:24 |
| @rizen | i'm pretty proud of the whole shop...i think it's my best work as far as webgui goes | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep thinking of things that I have to be careful of and then finding you've already covered it in CartItem :) | 02:25 |
| @rizen | i'm really pleased with out the cart can interact with products and vice versa | 02:27 |
| @rizen | s/out/how/ | 02:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6446 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: variant info is always displayed | 02:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6447 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: begin implementing inventory control. Continue to separate the variants loop and the list of available variants for sale. | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | back to the lawnmower for a bit | 02:31 |
| @rizen | have fun | 02:32 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6448 /WebGUI/ (18 files in 12 dirs): | 02:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: changed the name of getCartBySession to newBySession | 02:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: created the CartItemCount and MiniCart macros | 02:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added help for MinCart, Cart, Address Book, and Edit Address templates | 02:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: Did I put the product node in the wrong place? | 02:02 |
| @rizen | yes, i don't think i was specific | 02:03 |
| @rizen | the problem with the place you put it is that some people run navigations off the root of their site | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | oy | 02:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm glad you caught that. | 02:03 |
| @rizen | and your folder would have shown up in their nav | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | well, my products _are_ important :) | 02:04 |
| @rizen | indeed =) | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | are you watching the Phoenix land today? | 02:04 |
| @rizen | i also flipped the isSystem flag on it | 02:04 |
| @rizen | and created a getProductImportNode() method in the product sku | 02:04 |
| @rizen | yes, i'm watching the live feed right now | 02:05 |
| @rizen | not much going on yet | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | what channel is the live feed on? | 02:06 |
| @rizen | the internet =) | 02:06 |
| @rizen | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html | 02:06 |
| @rizen | click on "other viewing options" to choose whichever player you want to use | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I really need to upgrade so that I can have audio with Flash | 02:07 |
| @rizen | there's no flash player option | 02:07 |
| @rizen | at least not that i can see | 02:07 |
| @rizen | oh crap...the "other viewing options" isn't showing the same feed as the main url i just sent you to | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It's on the Science channel on Verizon Fibre | 02:07 |
| @rizen | sarah's watching a movie on our tv | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | loser | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | There's important history to watch! | 02:08 |
| @rizen | besides, i'm coding right now, so this is better...i can listen | 02:08 |
| @rizen | and code | 02:08 |
| @rizen | i need the damn manual | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think NASA releases manuals for their landers | 02:09 |
| @rizen | i want to know what "Step ED9272-H" is | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Your feed is probably commercial free :) | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Google doesn't know either | 02:10 |
| @rizen | indeed it is | 02:10 |
| @rizen | when is it scheduled to land, do you know? | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 38 minutes from now | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I just committed the inventory control for the Product. | 02:16 |
| @rizen | nice | 02:16 |
| @rizen | i'm working on the "view my transactions" screans | 02:16 |
| @rizen | screens | 02:16 |
| @rizen | i had no idea that this was going to be a traditional lander | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it's too heavy for bags | 02:16 |
| @rizen | why not use the grape baloon | 02:16 |
| @rizen | oh | 02:16 |
| @rizen | so how much bigger is this lander than spirit/opportunity? | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Phoenix is 772 lbs | 02:18 |
| @rizen | i can't believe this isn't the top story on CNN.com right now | 02:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6451 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: Inventory management for the Product. | 02:20 |
| @rizen | it's not even in the top 3 | 02:20 |
| @rizen | there is a blog entry, and that's about it | 02:21 |
| @rizen | not so much as a picture | 02:21 |
| +perlDreamer | The Mars Rovers are 387 lbs each | 02:22 |
| @rizen | this thing seems too complicated to survive | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | unlike the rovers, though, it won't last the winter. This is a 90-day mission only | 02:24 |
| @rizen | the rovers weren't supposed to last very long either | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but the lander does have the power output to keep itself warm | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's feet will be buried in ice (water and C02) | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, the lander does NOT have the power output | 02:25 |
| @rizen | i'm glad it's not me that had to engineer and land this thing | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I feel the same way about wG sometimes. | 02:27 |
| @rizen | way too complicated for my tiny little neurons to handle | 02:27 |
| @rizen | hehe, webgui is nothing compared to this feat of engineering though | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I just write tests and tinker around | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy says "Hi!" | 02:28 |
| @rizen | not true, you wrote probably about 15-20% of the new webgui shop | 02:28 |
| @rizen | hi back | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's tinkering around. You engineered and architected it. | 02:29 |
| @rizen | what if when this thing lands and turns on it's cameras it sees, gulp, a transformer standing there? | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Hasbro will sue :) | 02:30 |
| +perlDreamer | We pray for autobots? | 02:31 |
| @rizen | autobots are cool | 02:33 |
| +perlDreamer | 19:30 until landing | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | then we have to wait about 15 minutes for signals to return | 02:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you want the import/export methods in the Shop/Admin, Sku/Product.pm, or somewhere else (Shop/Inventory)? | 02:35 |
| @rizen | Shop/Products | 02:37 |
| @rizen | not inventory, because i may eventually use that for all inventory | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 02:37 |
| @rizen | We are a go for EDL comm. | 02:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what does that mean? | 02:43 |
| @rizen | that means the EDL people have taken over | 02:44 |
| @rizen | it is no longer a space flight mission | 02:44 |
| @rizen | it is a landing mission | 02:44 |
| @rizen | at least if i'm understanding them right | 02:44 |
| @rizen | wahoo!!! | 02:51 |
| @rizen | almost there | 02:51 |
| @rizen | parachute open | 02:51 |
| @rizen | heat shield ejected | 02:51 |
| @rizen | speed 80 m/s | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | 6 m/s | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate waiting! | 02:52 |
| @rizen | on my feed they still say 60 m/s | 02:52 |
| @rizen | i wonder if my feed is delayed | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 1700 meters, on final descent | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | 600 meters | 02:53 |
| @rizen | altitude 1800 ms | 02:53 |
| @rizen | 1600 | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, you're delayed | 02:53 |
| @rizen | my feed must be delayed | 02:53 |
| @rizen | damn it | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | touchdown! | 02:53 |
| @rizen | damn you!!!! | 02:54 |
| @rizen | touchdown!! | 02:54 |
| @rizen | now lets hope that the damn thing expands like it's supposed to | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know what's worse, commercials or a 30-second delay | 02:56 |
| @rizen | 30 second delay | 02:57 |
| @rizen | actually what's even worse is that i am watching two feeds | 02:57 |
| @rizen | and they aren't in sync either | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | bummer | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, dude! We have to switch to SAP. It's the only way to scale at the enterprise. | 02:59 |
| @rizen | i agree completely | 03:00 |
| @apeiron | heh. 32kbps from Mars, not bad. | 03:17 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6452 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: more POD for Tax.pm | 03:20 |
| @rizen | mars science lab is over 2000 lbs | 03:25 |
| @rizen | holy crap | 03:25 |
| @rizen | ok i'm out for the night...talk to you peeps later | 03:26 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6453 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): | 03:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added thank you page | 03:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed bug in minicart | 03:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added user transaction detail page | 03:50 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6454 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (28 files in 14 dirs): WebGUI_flux: merged -r6437:6453 from trunk | 06:56 |
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| patspam | is there a preference regarding datetime vs. epoch in the db for core code? | 10:06 |
| @preaction_ | patspam, use datetimes | 10:11 |
| @preaction_ | epochs are kinda bad | 10:11 |
| @preaction_ | epoch math is wors | 10:11 |
| @preaction_ | e | 10:11 |
| @preaction_ | see WebGUI::DateTime (which is a subclass of DateTime) | 10:11 |
| patspam | preaction_:thanks | 10:13 |
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| @apeiron | Yeah, DateTimes are good. http://xkcd.com/376/ | 11:04 |
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| bartjol | anybody here already knows when the next 7.5 version is due to arrive? | 16:09 |
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| VIP | Go to => http://luongtunga.wap.in => Free download Game mobile, Ringtone, Img, News, Sex, ..... | 17:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | Didn't VMWare release vmware workstation for free? | 19:20 |
| @rizen | no, vmplayer | 19:20 |
| @rizen | vm workstation you still have to pay for as far as i know | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy brought home a bunch of media from her grandmother's house to digitize it | 19:21 |
| @rizen | they also released a light duty version of vmware server for free | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Then she researched high-end scanners to look for one that was linux compatible | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | and got it wrong | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | So now I have to find a windows solution to this problem. | 19:21 |
| @rizen | there is also VirtualBox from sun. | 19:21 |
| @rizen | It's free for personal use. | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | VirtualBox? I'll check it out. | 19:22 |
| @apeiron | If you're looking to stay FOSSy, you can try qemu. | 19:22 |
| @rizen | Graham is using it and says its pretty good. | 19:22 |
| @rizen | virtual box that is, not qemu | 19:22 |
| @rizen | qemu is a total pain in the ass to set up | 19:22 |
| @rizen | in my opinion any sort of vm will serve you better and faster | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Here's the thing that kills | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | me | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | The last two laptops I've bought have come with windows XP | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but they're not install disks | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | they're disk images | 19:24 |
| @rizen | yeah | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | they wipe the drive | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | So I've paid for windows licenses that I can't use on any computer I'd like | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can buy a cheap desktop with Windows for less than buying VMware and Windows separately | 19:25 |
| @rizen | can't you take back the scanner? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | oh, and on amazon.com you can buy the OEM version of Windows XP for $90-$100 bux | 19:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | VirtualBox Open Source Edition does not support USB | 19:28 |
| @rizen | use personal edition | 19:28 |
| @rizen | it's free | 19:28 |
| @rizen | for personal use | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | ah! oh, okay | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | for a while there I figured the closed source version was commercial, too | 19:34 |
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| @rizen | wahooo!!!!!! | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i believe that my part of webgui shop is feature complete | 23:25 |
| @rizen | still have a billion hours of testing and bug fixing to do | 23:25 |
| @rizen | but it's a good milestone | 23:25 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6455 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 6 dirs): added email receipt and "my purchases" page | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, there's no cancel recurring payment button in the transaction screen yet right? | 00:50 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6456 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Recurring payment stuff fixes, forgot ITransact.pm in last commit. | 02:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6457 /WebGUI/ (15 files in 10 dirs): Complete asset manager rewrite. | 02:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6458 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: added asset manager to upgrade | 02:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6459 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/ (SubscriptionItemPurchaseUrl.pm SubscriptionItem.pm): Converted the Subscription related macro's to use the new commerce system. | 02:16 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6460 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: Remove debugging statements from Tax.pm | 03:32 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6461 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): begin work on importing products | 03:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | Has anyone tried the new Asset manager yet? | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | hm... click and drag doesn't seem to be working. | 04:06 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maybe I just can't get it working | 04:06 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6462 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): | 04:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Remove extra whitespace in the testing files. | 04:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make importProducts check file headers. | 04:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add testing collateral, and tests | 04:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: ping. Commerce question on Product import | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to make sure that I have the functionality right | 05:37 |
| +perlDreamer | If a mastersku exists, and a sku exists as a variant, then update the info from the import data | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if the mastersku exists and the sku does not exist, then add a new variant | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | missing skus are a no-op, do nothing to what is there | 05:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if the mastersku does not already exist, then add a new product in the product import node, and add variants for each unique sku that is listed for it | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | if an existing mastersku does not exist in the file, then do nothing. | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so basically, only create and update, but no delete | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no deleting products or variants of products | 05:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Next question, should the update be atomic (all or none?) | 05:40 |
| +perlDreamer | For example, if they try to update a product that is locked by another user, should NO data from the file be taken, or should as much valid data be updated as possible? | 05:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | have to study, be back in a while | 05:54 |
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| patspam | is it normal for HEAD to be broken? currently VersionTag.pm has a syntax error | 06:17 |
| patspam | just wondering about how often I merge the trunk changes into my branch | 06:19 |
| patspam | Add Site is bombing out on the latest trunk too | 06:20 |
| patspam | initially thought it must be a prob at my end, but now i don't trust the trunk | 06:20 |
| @preaction_ | i'm at revision 6462 and i don't have a syntax error in WebGUI::VersionTag | 06:31 |
| @preaction_ | but i see the ones in WebGUI::Operation::VersionTag, and i've fixed them | 06:33 |
| patspam | ok, cool. the Add Site thing was a JSON syntax error in WebGUI.conf.original. I've fixed that | 06:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6463 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: fix syntax errors in operation/versiontag | 06:39 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6464 /WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original: Fixed JSON syntax error in etc/WebGUI.conf.original | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: without the nightly smoke runs, we're flying half blind | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I say half, because they probably cover less than half the code :( | 06:51 |
| patspam | ah, are the smoke runs down atm? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, both sets of them | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be interesting if you tried to run t/VersionTag.t before and after your fix, to see if they _might_ have picked up the bug you found | 06:53 |
| @preaction_ | perlDreamer, it was Operation::VersionTag, there are no tests there that I know of | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no, there aren't | 07:01 |
| patspam | yeah t/VersionTag.pm doesn't use it. a "perl -c" would have been enough though | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a syntaxCheck test | 07:05 |
| patspam | ah, well that would've worked then :) | 07:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6465 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (16 files in 3 dirs): | 07:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added flux design docs to designdocs/flux | 07:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added flux db tables to create.sql | 07:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6466 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (38 files in 21 dirs): WebGUI_flux: merged -r6453:6465 from trunk | 07:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6467 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): | 07:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix two bugs with importing product data. | 07:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Begin to build code for adding and editing products. | 07:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6468 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm: stub out exportProducts | 07:31 |
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| citronized | Hello :) | 09:27 |
| citronized | I'd like to upgrade my WRE to the 7.5 beta, do you have any link for a tuto or "how to" ? | 09:28 |
| citronized | ok, seems that "http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/upgrading" was what I was looking for :D | 09:34 |
| citronized | but I guess I can't do an automatic upgrade if I want the 7.5.1 beta, isn't it ? | 09:35 |
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| citronized | bye :) | 15:09 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:59 |
| BartJo2 | hi | 16:01 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Err, silly question. I just created a new Survey2 branch test instance and didn't update the database to the new survey tables. I then tried to create a new survey. Now I have a broken version that can't be committed or deleted. Anyone have any idea which tables i"ll need to go through to delete this broken version/asset? | 19:28 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Hah, that was easy enough. Got to love a schema that is easy to follow. | 19:32 |
| @preaction_ | asset, assetData | 19:32 |
| @perlmonkey2 | thanks preaction_ | 19:33 |
| @preaction_ | theoretically just asset, if it's not in there, it doesn't exist to getLineage, so it doesn't exist | 19:34 |
| @preaction_ | but if you're working on a production database and actually need to clean it up completely, assetData, wobject too if it's a Wobject subclass | 19:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | yeah, I found it in asset, assetData and wobject | 19:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | got it cleaned out | 19:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Now to see if I can add support for IL8N, do the install/update scripts, and JSONify this in 1 week. | 19:36 |
| @perlmonkey2 | this being the new survey systme. | 19:36 |
| @rizen | prioritize | 19:37 |
| @rizen | make it feature complete this week | 19:37 |
| @preaction_ | sounds do-able | 19:37 |
| @rizen | fix bugs in coming weeks | 19:37 |
| @rizen | feature complete means install update comes first | 19:37 |
| @rizen | i18n comes second | 19:37 |
| @rizen | jsonify comes third | 19:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | What about moving the editor to a template system. | 19:37 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 19:37 |
| @rizen | editor doesn't have to be templated | 19:38 |
| @rizen | only stuff the end user can see has to be templated | 19:38 |
| @rizen | so that's a nice to have | 19:38 |
| @rizen | not a feature complete requirement | 19:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | okay, so after everything else is done. | 19:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I think it will go fast without $work bothering me. I'm doing one more thing for them, then telling them I'm busy. | 19:39 |
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| +MrHairgrease | woot! the new asset manager | 21:54 |
| @rizen | wait, there's more | 21:55 |
| @rizen | preaction is making it even better | 21:55 |
| @preaction_ | indeed | 21:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | look cool | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | looks* | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just see that the migrated products are placed under root while i put migrated subscriptions under import node | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | should i put the migrated subs also under root | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 21:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice | 21:57 |
| @preaction_ | rizen, did you want me to rip out the old rendering stuff? pro: one less thing to maintain, con: no fallback w/o JS (which, i realize, is not something you're concerned with) | 21:58 |
| @rizen | MrHairGrease: yes, import node | 22:01 |
| @rizen | the products have been moved to be under import node | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 22:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you get my email concerning the subscription macro, btw? | 22:02 |
| @rizen | preaction: just use the data table rendering stuff with the sam style | 22:02 |
| @rizen | yes | 22:02 |
| @rizen | and i'm going to fix that for you, because i don't want the SubscriptionItem and SubscriptionItemUrl macros in webgui | 22:02 |
| @rizen | and i also realize you need to get on to your graduation | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:02 |
| @rizen | so i don't want to put undo stress on you | 22:02 |
| @rizen | undue | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 22:03 |
| @rizen | i figure you're already stressed enough | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, no time to drink =) | 22:03 |
| @rizen | i appreciate all your time though | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | so do I =) | 22:04 |
| @rizen | i'm buying a round at the WUC for everybody who contributed to 7.5 | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'll get it done | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 22:04 |
| @rizen | maybe even several rounds | 22:04 |
| @rizen | get you good and liquored up so that i can ask more favors of you | 22:04 |
| * MrHairgrease starts aorking at lightspeed | 22:04 | |
| @rizen | =) | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | by then I'm getting my ass into the 'working class' | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye bye happy student days | 22:05 |
| @rizen | have you decided yet about your days at oqapi? | 22:06 |
| @rizen | are they numbered? | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I like doing thing first things first: | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | first graduate | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | then make wuc presentation | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | then vacation | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | then finish last course | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | then register for social services =) | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | or find a job | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i like oqapi a lot | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i also like the fancy-schmancy microfabrication and research stuff | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so what i'd like best at the moment, would be 3 days research stuff | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2 day oqapi | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | or something like that | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | but since I haven't had much of a look, only the oqapi part is certain for now =) | 22:08 |
| @rizen | 2 weeks ago i had a dream that Plain Black started a robotics division, and that i hired you and perlDreamer to run it. | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would be cool, but you'd have to pay in euros | 22:09 |
| @rizen | everything was going just fine, until you unveiled our first product to me, and it turned out to be a Replicator from Start Gate | 22:09 |
| @rizen | Star Gate | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | are those the omnipotent metal spider things? | 22:09 |
| @rizen | yes | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | not too familiar with star gate | 22:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | only saw half an episode | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it features McGyver | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it must rock | 22:10 |
| @rizen | its very cool | 22:10 |
| @rizen | and the replicators are bad ass | 22:10 |
| @rizen | but wouldn't make a good product | 22:10 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | depends if you're in the business of selling apocalypses | 22:10 |
| @apeiron | Here I thought you meant the matter replicators from Star *Trek*, rather than Star*gate*. | 22:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know larry wall is | 22:11 |
| @apeiron | (similarly badass tech) | 22:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah star trek. | 22:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dig that | 22:11 |
| @apeiron | They're making a new movie, by the way, and allegedly a new series (albeit animated, to cut costs). | 22:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, would it be nice if the payment plugin settings would be migrated too? | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | a new star trek movie? | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the last one sucked terrible | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'd rather have none than another one of those | 22:13 |
| @rizen | yes please | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | hadn't thought of it until now | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's not hard to do | 22:13 |
| @rizen | i forgot too | 22:13 |
| @rizen | i'm glad you're thinking | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | who says i am | 22:14 |
| @rizen | although i would have figured it out wheni get back from vacation. cuz then i'll be taking a dump of plainblack.com and running the upgrade on it to make sure it works | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen about the recurring postback testing | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can't do that through their test account | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | what i waana do is this | 22:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | build in the confirmation code that prevents people from cerating false postback requests | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | and comment that out for the time being | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | would it be possible for you to test that? | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | since you do have an actual itransact account | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll provide you with documentation of course | 22:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks for the feedback, rizen | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | this one is going down to the wire | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but it will be in by Saturday | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | at midnight | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Hawaii time, since that's still in the U.S., legally | 22:18 |
| @rizen | hehe | 22:18 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease...yes I'll test that | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd, you're on vacation? | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | good | 22:18 |
| @rizen | no, he just wants to stretch out the time he has to get some stuff submitted in svn | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm screwed anyway tz wise | 22:19 |
| @rizen | pd, since i'll be in the same time zone as hawaii (i'll be the ocean below Alaska) that's fine by me | 22:19 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, in between $dayJob finally giving me work to do, and kids I lost a lot of hacking time | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, there's this lady I live with who likes to spend time with me once in a while | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd, wtf!!?! you have actual work to do? | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, go figure! | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I spent most of last week in the lab checking out a recently returned chip | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | It works, so that is good. | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I was doing someone else's work, so that is bad | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, have you graduated yet? | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | june 19th | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are invited too | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I might have to give you a graduation IOU for the WUC | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | at 16.00 Dutchland time | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you just want beer you can skip the defense and go straight to the party june 20th | 22:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think you'd want me to sit in on your defense | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd ask nasty questions | 22:24 |
| @rizen | you mean like, why is the sky blue and the grass green? | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | why'd wanna know that? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | No, like "What is the minimum number of slices required to cut a 4-dimensional cake into 16 pieces?" | 22:25 |
| @rizen | or things like, if it takes a chicken and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how long would it take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all the seeds out of a dill pickle? | 22:25 |
| @rizen | First, I'd have to ask, is this cake traveling through time? If not, how is it 4 dimensional? | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, I'm an EE not a fricking cook | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah that's easy | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has four dimensions | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | duh | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | "Describe the effect of graduated doping on junction behavior during ESD." | 22:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not working on semconductors | 22:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm trying to piece two tiny chromium wires together | 22:27 |
| @rizen | And this channel has just gotten too smart for me. Bye cruel world. | 22:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in which i failed, unfortunately | 22:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | one down, 20 to go =) | 22:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, back to work | 22:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen: since we're going to miss MrHairgrease's college graduation, perhaps we should make him give a code defense at the WUC. | 22:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer should start working in stead of having all these 'bright' ideas =) | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Ja wohl, mein Herr | 22:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | gut! | 22:42 |
| @rizen | oooh. great idea | 22:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | go ahead, my code will pass the test | 22:43 |
| @rizen | we'll replace one of the PB&J sessions with a MrHairgrease Code Defense session | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, in that case you could call it stump the chump again, justthe same | 22:43 |
| @rizen | that's true, since you are not a J | 22:45 |
| @rizen | PB&M just doesn't have the same ring to it | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually my initials are MJ | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | so PB&MJ sounds about the same | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | put, please, keep it PB&J | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | PB&J = Pound badly and jump? | 22:46 |
| @rizen | portly ballerinas and jesters | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Pork bellies and Jujubees? | 22:53 |
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| @apeiron | wow, there don't seem to be any words starting with 'b' that are anything close in meaning to 'jocund' | 23:01 |
| @apeiron | Was going for "Prolificly b[something] and Jocund", but English failed me. | 23:01 |
| @rizen | pint of beer and jalapeno | 23:04 |
| @apeiron | Hm. Apparently 'breezy' will suffice. | 23:05 |
| bopbop | apeiron: that could then be interpreted as someone very gassy, yet happy | 23:09 |
| bopbop | sounds like my entire family | 23:09 |
| @apeiron | breezy is out, then. | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | painfully bad jokes | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen, where's that cancel subscription link you mentioned? | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't see it | 23:12 |
| @rizen | it should be right next to the "Print" link on the detail page | 23:12 |
| @rizen | or at the top of the page when you're looking at method=viewMy | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:13 |
| @rizen | is it not there? | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is behind the circle normally containing the asset icon | 23:13 |
| @rizen | it is? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | wtf | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | as is the print icon | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on, i'll send a screenshot | 23:13 |
| @rizen | shit, i guess there's a render problem then | 23:13 |
| @rizen | maybe i hosed up my template or something | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | could be | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i mailed the screenshot | 23:16 |
| @rizen | oh wow, yeah that's really bad | 23:17 |
| @rizen | ok, i'll look into that | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's no biggie though | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll work on other stuff first | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea already btw why perl run time errors don't bubble up to the log file | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | yesterday I had some undefined value i tried to call a method on | 23:19 |
| @rizen | no, still haven't figured out what's going on with that | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | which i had to track back by putting info's erverywhere | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 23:20 |
| @apeiron | Something to do with exception handling perhaps? | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 23:20 |
| @rizen | i think that there's got to be something in the Log4perl stuff about exception handling | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll need to handle that case specially :) | 23:20 |
| @rizen | i just haven't had a chance to lookyet | 23:20 |
| @preaction_ | if they're in Content handlers, i think they're trapped by the eval but not actually thrown (so they aren't caught by WebGUI::Error->caught) | 23:20 |
| @rizen | my primary goal was to get WebGUI Shop completed | 23:21 |
| @rizen | now in my last two days before i leave for a week and a half, i'm trying to fix bugs and clean up stuff | 23:21 |
| @rizen | so that's on the todo list | 23:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me try that out | 23:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmm, no evals in the shop content handler | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | so iguess that's not it | 23:23 |
| @preaction_ | the Content URL handler. WebGUI::URL::Content | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok hang on | 23:24 |
| @preaction_ | that traps the call to the individual content handlers and tries to catch exceptions | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, cannot find where it's going wrong | 23:27 |
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| @rizen | is anybody referring to the shop design docs anymore? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | if not i'm getting rid of them | 23:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuke 'em | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | wait a sec', here | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | You're going on vacation on a cruise? | 00:24 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:43 |
| @rizen | the vacation isn't for me though. it's for sarah. | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, well, that's fine | 00:44 |
| @rizen | if it were for me i'd just hang around the house and do nothing | 00:44 |
| @rizen | i hate travel | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Here we were going to be, slaving away on your software while you suck down martinis on some tropical beach and all | 00:44 |
| @rizen | my knees rub on the seat in front of me, and my shoulders touch the people next to me. | 00:44 |
| @rizen | no tropical beach...it's alaska | 00:45 |
| @rizen | it will be 50F | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Here we were going to be, slaving away on your software while you wear mukluks and eat whale blubber. | 00:45 |
| @rizen | indeed | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Doesn't sound so bad all of a sudden. | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | If you get bored, swing by PDX and we'll take good care of you. | 00:48 |
| @rizen | incidentally, I don't consider WebGUI to be "my software" | 00:48 |
| @rizen | one trip to PDX is enough, i'll see you in july | 00:49 |
| @rizen | don't know what's going on with CIA-6, but that render problem is fixed in svn MrHairgrease | 00:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok great | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's pdx btw? | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | Looks like Portland International Airport. | 01:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 01:05 |
| @apeiron | Or Portland State University: http://www.pdx.edu/ | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I live in the Portland metropolitan area, about 15 miles west of Portland proper. | 01:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm going to sleep | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you later | 01:18 |
| @rizen | bye | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | later | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | rizen.... | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Come out come out whereever you are | 06:51 |
| @apeiron | The rizen is.... indisposed... at the moment. Might we offer you a preaction_? | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, yes | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Would people expect the product exporter to export _all_ products, or just the ones in the product import node? | 06:53 |
| @preaction_ | WHOO DISTUURRBS MY SLUMMBERRRR | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | eek! | 06:53 |
| @preaction_ | all | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Por que? | 06:53 |
| @preaction_ | uh... | 06:53 |
| @apeiron | Can you give the option to do both, or is this a default? | 06:53 |
| @preaction_ | it just sounds right | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | This would be default behavior. | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking, too. | 06:54 |
| @preaction_ | people are going to be using these things as assets, and assets go anywhere in the tree | 06:54 |
| @apeiron | "product import node" is where WebGUI puts the products you import from an external system, right? | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, although products can be put in there manually, too | 06:54 |
| @apeiron | Of course. | 06:55 |
| @apeiron | Is there a way to say "don't export this product"? | 06:55 |
| @preaction_ | i always thought the product import node was a temporary location, until you put them somewhere appropriate | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it's permanent. | 06:55 |
| @preaction_ | i mean, it could be permanent, but it's just like a dump-bin for products | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:55 |
| @preaction_ | like a big truck | 06:55 |
| @apeiron | preaction_, I'm looking at it differently. To me, the product import node is a place to keep products you want to sync with your external system that are specifically separate from products you want just in wG. | 06:55 |
| @preaction_ | or a series of tubes | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | There's no way to mark a product as not to be deleted. | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, exported | 06:56 |
| @apeiron | Sure there is, set the isExportable flag. | 06:56 |
| @apeiron | ... uhm, actually | 06:56 |
| @apeiron | ... incidentally | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | incidentally, for sure | 06:56 |
| @apeiron | Don't use the isExportable field for product exporting. :)_ | 06:57 |
| @apeiron | s/_// | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay :) | 06:57 |
| * perlDreamer heeds the advice of the uber-Exporter | 06:57 | |
| @apeiron | That's AssetExportHtml.pm exporting, not product exporting. | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have little doubt (and high hopes) that this system will see lots of RFE work after release. | 06:58 |
| * perlDreamer needs to pay for some plane flights to Mad-city | 06:58 | |
| @apeiron | Oh yeah, we're going to be swamped. | 06:58 |
| @apeiron | hackathon, eh? | 06:58 |
| @preaction_ | no, to kill us all in our sleep | 06:58 |
| @apeiron | Oh. | 06:59 |
| @apeiron | Right. | 06:59 |
| @apeiron | I, uh, can't make it guys, sorry. | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't kill you guys in your sleep. | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | How would I make you beg for mercy if you're asleep? | 06:59 |
| * apeiron smirks | 06:59 | |
| @apeiron | Seriously though, if the RFEs are as voluminous as we're predicting, a dev staff RFE hackathon for a few days may not be a bad idea. | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll need some advance notice to arrange a day off, unless it's a holiday or weekend. | 07:00 |
| @apeiron | Pie-in-the-sky idea right now, of course. | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | of course | 07:01 |
| @apeiron | We should also make tavisto learn perl just to see him squirm. | 07:01 |
| @apeiron | "NO! That's not how you dereference a hash-of-hashes-of-arrays!" | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | lol | 07:02 |
| @preaction_ | electro-shock perl? | 07:02 |
| @apeiron | There ya go. | 07:02 |
| @apeiron | Who knows, if we zap him enough we might end up with another lwall. | 07:02 |
| @preaction_ | hook perl.exe up to his parallel port, send +12V for every compiler or runtime error | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | The parallel port is usually good for +12V | 07:03 |
| @apeiron | And use fatal warnings too, just for kicks. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | better make it 2 kV | 07:03 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, That's it, you're learning perl, get yourself a copy of the Llama. | 07:03 |
| @preaction_ | does the port have enough amperage to do that? | 07:03 |
| +Radix-wrk | rig up a capacitor in between that stores the charge in between zaps - then you'll get a few more amps out of it | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 07:04 |
| @apeiron | Speaking of, http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596520106/index.html # Learning Perl 5th edition, covers new 5.10 niceties | 07:04 |
| @preaction_ | lord, i can actually see this wiring diagram in my head now | 07:04 |
| @preaction_ | tavisto, got rubber-soled shoes? | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | to get all products, would it be faster to use getLineage, or a direct query of the db with iterated instanciation? | 07:05 |
| @preaction_ | it would be faster to do a direct query, but it would be more correct to use getLineage | 07:06 |
| @apeiron | hmm | 07:06 |
| @preaction_ | you don't have to returnObjects, you can instanciate one at a time as you wish | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | true. | 07:06 |
| @apeiron | I'm not sure if this is by-design or not, but would it be better to be able to ask a shop to return its products? | 07:07 |
| * perlDreamer starts to think this needs to be a workflow | 07:07 | |
| @apeiron | (granted, that may behind the scenes use getLineage) | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron: I was going to build a Asset::Sku::Product->getAllProducts | 07:07 |
| @preaction_ | apeiron, there is no Shop object per se. the site is the shop | 07:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Yeah, I was poking about wG::A::W::Layout and I was thinking that a ->getChildren would be nice. | 07:07 |
| @apeiron | Sort of similar thinking. | 07:07 |
| @apeiron | preaction_, ah. | 07:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | reminds me of an old computer joke language: '...offers complete error detection and punishment. Program execution is rapid; however, programmer execution is painfully slow.' | 07:08 |
| @preaction_ | perlDreamer, i would suggest getAllProductIds, getAllProducts may be... intense | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, back to my workflow comment | 07:08 |
| @apeiron | preaction_++ | 07:08 |
| @preaction_ | 2,000 products? 10,000 products? 22-byte IDs would be fine. objects would be hell | 07:08 |
| @preaction_ | WebGUI::Asset object would be... well... | 07:08 |
| @apeiron | 7k is enough to cause severely noticeable pain. | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen says to expect 1e5 products on release | 07:09 |
| @apeiron | 1e5 products in a store? oO | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | well, probably including variants, so N times fewer assets | 07:09 |
| @apeiron | Still, heh, nice bit of design-for-scalability there. | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | anybody know what happened to PedersenMJ? | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you guys think about this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7e072b78 | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's encapsulated and it handles the iteration for you | 07:22 |
| @apeiron | I like. | 07:23 |
| @apeiron | I would document its usage in the POD though. Can't say I've encountered too many iterators in the API. | 07:23 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, that's the first time i've seen that, but i like it | 07:24 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we should add one to getLineage, to complement returnObjects. returnIterator | 07:24 |
| @preaction_ | it would fix the problem of instanciating a billion assets, or the entire asset tree | 07:25 |
| @preaction_ | that'd have to be okayed by TMRFE though | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | improved and documented: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3f8f7f19 | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the last asset might not have been pleasant :) | 07:26 |
| @apeiron | Ah, explicit undef, nice. | 07:27 |
| @preaction_ | could you do my $assetId = shift @assetIds || return undef; perhaps? | 07:28 |
| @preaction_ | style preference i guess | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that would much more obvious and direct | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, it's still building a huge array (for 1e5 products) | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it might be even faster to wrap the dbi statement handler as well, since it's an iterator | 07:30 |
| @preaction_ | nothing we can really do about that really. | 07:31 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot math 1 * 10 ^ 5 | 07:31 |
| perlbot | 100000 | 07:31 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot math 1 * 10 ** 5 | 07:31 |
| @preaction_ | 10,000 anyway | 07:31 |
| perlbot | 100000 | 07:31 |
| @preaction_ | woah... nice lag perlbot | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | One hundred thousand | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | 100 kProducts | 07:31 |
| @apeiron | I'm a wee bit biased (my copy of Higher-Order Perl is within arm's reach), but I'm very much a fan of using iterators and such when applicable. | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | me, too. We actually do use them all the time. Pretty much anything you do with a while loop is an iterator. | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I/O, for example | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | DB statement handles | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | an asset iterator is just the next step in that progression | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Paginators are stateful iterators | 07:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, comments on rev 6485 would be greatly appreciated | 07:50 |
| @preaction_ | perlDreamer, looks good to me | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks preaction_ | 07:56 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Unless I'm reading svn diff wrong, it looks like a change in Layout.pm snuck in around line 263. | 08:01 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Was this intended? | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no! | 08:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not seeing anything for Layout.pm in 6485 | 08:02 |
| +perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=6485 | 08:02 |
| @apeiron | Odd. | 08:02 |
| @apeiron | Oh, local copy changes, sorry. | 08:03 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 08:03 |
| @apeiron | Must've landed up there entirely accidentally, I don't recall making any changes there. | 08:04 |
| @apeiron | Sorry about that. | 08:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope bopbop doesn't see this next one | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know if collateral is singular, or plural | 08:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or what the alternate form is, either | 08:07 |
| @apeiron | Fairly certain it's a mass noun. | 08:07 |
| +perlDreamer | mass noun = same singular as plural? | 08:08 |
| @apeiron | Means "be consistent" according to my usage guide. | 08:09 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, About the actual code, aside from a tiny stylistic nit (you left off the optional semicolon on line 303 of Product.pm), no qualms. | 08:10 |
| +perlDreamer | nice catch, apeiron | 08:10 |
| @apeiron | heh | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | time for back meds. If y'all have more feedback or comments, please leave them here and I'll backlog tomorrow. | 08:11 |
| +perlDreamer | 'night | 08:11 |
| @apeiron | Night. | 08:11 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6471 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ (GalleryFile.pm GalleryFile/Photo.pm): added template variables to photo. added better getParent and getGallery to GalleryFile, for approval processes | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6472 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 4 dirs): a few things i forgot when getting rid of old commerce stuff | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6473 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: oops typo | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6474 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm: fixed render bug | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6475 /WebGUI/designdocs: getting rid of old design docs | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6476 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed: Creating a shortcut creates a version tag even with autocommit turned on | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6477 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: email password recovery submit button effected by UI level | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6478 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated content fills results with empty entries up to max headlines count | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6479 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.39 release | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6480 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.39-stable: Release 7.4.39-stable | 14:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6481 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm: remove redundant sub | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6482 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm: remove unneeded import | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6483 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm: some storage cleanups | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6484 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: allow quiet upgrade script | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6485 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Build an iterator for getting all products as objects, one at a time. | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Build tests for the iterator. | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Begin working on the exporter (which will use the iterator). | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6486 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm: Fill out the guts of the product data exporter. | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6487 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix a potential future syntax error | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6488 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: changed new asset manager to use YUI DataTable / DataSource | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6489 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: added temporary edit / more links | 14:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6490 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Added some initial tests to guide API | 14:28 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:50 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone ever see this issue with wG and selinux? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d645233e1 | 16:24 |
| @perlmonkey2 | Looks like somehow this is tied into spectre writing to uploadsd. | 16:25 |
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| @rizen | check the forums, i've heard people out there saying they had problems with selinux | 16:52 |
| @rizen | i've never experienced any | 16:52 |
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| webgeek | is there a log to check why my ldap isn't working | 17:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | apeiron, preaction_, I figured out how to make that iterator work for _all_ assets, using the definition sub. | 18:21 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, paste or it didn't happen | 18:21 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, In other words, show and tell. :) | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | will do, right after I see if my thoughts and reality still jive | 18:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Flexiril and vicodin do strange things to the thought processes | 18:22 |
| @apeiron | That's why you have tests. :) | 18:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m46e70c3d | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and the tests pass (on Product.pm) | 18:30 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, I like, I like. | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | do we dare promote it from Asset::Sku::Product to Asset? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: Awake from your slumber and hear the bequest of your volunteer! | 18:35 |
| BartJol | while rizen is away? | 18:35 |
| BartJol | it is only his ghost appearing here, isn't it? | 18:35 |
| BartJol | I thought he was on holidays | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought he left tomorrow | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but I could be wrong | 18:36 |
| BartJol | it starts this evening | 18:37 |
| @rizen | what is your request my volunteer? | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I have invented a different way to get a list of all assets as products using an iterator | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m46e70c3d | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it would work for all Assets, since it uses the definition sub | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | would this be useful in Asset.pm? | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of down in Asset::Sku::Product.pm? | 18:42 |
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| @rizen | i don't get it | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | You don't get how it works, or why I want it? | 18:57 |
| @rizen | what is the newPending() method | 18:57 |
| @rizen | i don't think i've seen that before | 18:57 |
| @rizen | and why would you return an iterator? | 18:58 |
| @rizen | it's just an assetId | 18:58 |
| @rizen | why not return the whole list of assetIds as an array ref | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Because then you'd have them all in memory | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the iterator is lazy, it only makes an asset when you want it | 18:58 |
| @rizen | oh, cuz you're assuming there will be a lot | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, like about 100_000 or so Products | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | newPending is a new method I found in Asset.pm | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | "Instances an existing Asset by assetId, ignoring the status and always selecting the most recent revision." | 18:59 |
| @rizen | i'm going to have a look at that method | 18:59 |
| @rizen | Interesting. I don't remember seeing that method before. | 19:00 |
| @rizen | Yeah, I can see this being useful. Call it getAllOfClass | 19:01 |
| @rizen | unless you have a better nmae | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | added in rev 5877 | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a good name, although it also respects inheritance | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you asked for all Asset::Files, you'd also get Images and ZipArchives | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | since they also have data in the table | 19:02 |
| @rizen | ah | 19:02 |
| @rizen | so then getIsa() | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | getIsa it is | 19:02 |
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| webnick | my ldap status is valid but i cannot log ing. when i use the same credentials through php it works. does anything special need to be installed on the webgui server | 19:09 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, why did you choose to comment out all your printf statements in the Product macro migration code? | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | because it's working now, they were just for debug purposes | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | The print statement which says what the sub is doing is still there. | 19:14 |
| @rizen | these could run for a long time so i'm thinking maybe we should output this stuff or at least one line for each find to let people know it's still working | 19:15 |
| @rizen | i'll add it | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I wouldn't recommend the uncommenting the description though. It makes for a lot of scrolling | 19:15 |
| @rizen | i'm sure | 19:16 |
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| @rizen | webnick you almost certainly configured something wrong in webgui | 19:24 |
| @rizen | the only thing you need installed for LDAP to work in WebGUI is a perl module called Net::LDAP | 19:24 |
| @rizen | if you have that, then everything else is configuration. | 19:25 |
| @rizen | The WebGUI Admin Guide has detailed instructions on how to configure LDAP. | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: I have one other concern about large product sets, and that is it may take so long to run an export or an import that the server times out. In that case, I think I would need a workflow. How do I set a workflow trigger to call a workflow? | 19:26 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create(); | 19:28 |
| @rizen | it does everything you need | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | wow. that's easy. | 19:28 |
| @rizen | but how will it work? you'll have it generate in the background and then email them the results? | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's the only thing I could think of | 19:29 |
| @rizen | i shouldn't say that's all you need...you have to create a workflow first...but you only do that once, in the upgrade script | 19:29 |
| @rizen | and then in your code you call the thing above | 19:29 |
| @rizen | with the properties you need to create the instance | 19:29 |
| @rizen | like workflowId | 19:29 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Workflow->create will let you create a workflow | 19:30 |
| @rizen | and WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create() will let you run it | 19:30 |
| @rizen | make sense? | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:31 |
| @rizen | line 289 of WebGUI::Auth will give you an example of what that looks like | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Workflow->create puts one in the db, and Workflow::Instance customizes one and then runs it. | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, thanks for the pointer | 19:31 |
| @rizen | exactly | 19:32 |
| @rizen | cuz a workflow is reallyjust an execution schema | 19:32 |
| @rizen | the instance is the worker bee | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | In WebGUI parlance, it would be a tentacle. | 19:35 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: your product macro conversion uses assetId rather than url as the passable parameter into assetProxy | 19:54 |
| @rizen | but AssetProxy's parameter is URL | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh | 19:55 |
| @rizen | ok, just wanted to make sure you didn't test that | 19:55 |
| @rizen | apparently not | 19:55 |
| @rizen | i'm going to change AssetProxy to allow assetId to be used as well | 19:55 |
| @rizen | cuz there are other reasons to do that | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | okay. Do you want me to switch the conversion routine to look up the URL anyway? | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | since humans won't grok the assetId? | 19:56 |
| @preaction_ | i'd say URLS change too much. and the whole "expire old revisions" when you change the URL of an asset but still have old asset proxy macros pointing to the old url causes a lot of bug reports and forum posts | 19:58 |
| @preaction_ | so assetId! | 19:58 |
| @rizen | no, no reason to change it | 19:59 |
| @rizen | the new api for the asset proxy macro will be | 20:00 |
| @rizen | ^AssetProxy(my/url); | 20:00 |
| @rizen | ^AssetProxy(XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX,assetId); | 20:00 |
| @rizen | ^AssetProxy(/gateway/my/url,fullurl); | 20:00 |
| @rizen | besides i'm in the mucking around anyway | 20:01 |
| @rizen | i'm changing your code to be more efficient, and handle SubscriptionItem at the same time | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! Please let me know when you commit so I can learn about the improvements. | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | um, learn from the improvements | 20:04 |
| @rizen | ok in svn | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | Nice. Much less copy and paste. | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Do statement handles automatically call ->finish when they go out of scope, or does that have to be done manually? | 20:43 |
| @preaction_ | DESTROY calls finish, yes | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | There aren't any DESTROY methods in SQL.pm or SQL/ResultSet | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | The DBI docs say not to worry about it. | 20:48 |
| @rizenlikeslunch | finish() is automatically called if you use all of the items in the iterator | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | MrHairgrease is a genius! | 21:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 21:51 |
| @rizen | I love that you used the SubscriptionId as the assetId for subscriptions | 21:51 |
| @rizen | made my migration job very simple | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe you say MrHairgrease is lazy, impatient | 21:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | not to mention the hubris | 21:52 |
| @rizen | i prefer to think of it as genius | 21:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's okay with me | 21:53 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease did you update the ExpireSubscriptionCodes.pm workflow activity | 22:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | didn't know it existed | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | it deletes expired codes from the db? | 22:03 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll put it on the list | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody knows what's that apache ENV containing the domain name the request came from called | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i forgot | 22:05 |
| @rizen | i think it's HOST_NAME | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah could be | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | just dunno if it works with mod>_proxy | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but we'll see | 22:06 |
| @rizen | sorry | 22:06 |
| @rizen | HTTP_HOST | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok thanks | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey rizen | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just found out that the perl run time errors are going to the morperl error log | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the webgui.log | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: those groups that are no longer used groupIdAdminCommerce,ProductManager,Subscription,TransactionLog | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Should the groups themselves be removed? | 22:56 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6491 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Promote the getAllProducts to Asset.pm as getIsa. Move the tests | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: from Asset/Sku/Product.t into Asset/Asset.t, and add tests to check | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: that inheritance is respected. | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6492 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: AssetProxy macro can now use asset id as a parameter like so: ^AssetProxy(abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv,assetId); | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: subscriptionitem macro is now autoconverted to assetproxy | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6493 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm: finish the import routine. Next, testing | 22:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6494 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 4 dirs): getting rid of even more stuf i forgot of in the commerce system | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa CIA-6 is constipated | 22:57 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer interesting, and no because who knows what else someone might be using those groups for, let the user delete them | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | crap the asset manager is borked | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i blame it on preaction | 23:33 |
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| @preaction_ | MrHairgrease, how so? | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I cannot click on anything | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | so navigating is a tad difficult | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | only the crumbtrail works for me | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll send you a screenshot | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | sent | 23:36 |
| @preaction_ | MrHairgrease, try an svn up and see the asset manager again | 23:38 |
| @preaction_ | i missed my JS and CSS files in my checkin | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | that could explain it | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll wait with svn up for a bit though | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | my db is just right for my testing purposes | 23:39 |
| @preaction_ | svn up wont take a db change. or just "svn up www/extras" | 23:39 |
| @preaction_ | i mean, it should work, i just want it to work for you so you can get what you need done | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh man, I have readable errors again | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | never thought: Can't call method "process" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm line 679 | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | would look so sweet | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | (especially b/c rizen coded that =) | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | assetmanager is working again | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | and looking very nice | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | only the 'more' links don't pop up their menu | 23:43 |
| @preaction_ | because that isn't done yet, still working on it | 23:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:44 |
| @preaction_ | there's an evil thing i have to do because of IE6 / 7 problem with viewing things inside a table row that leave their table row (they don't show up) | 23:44 |
| @preaction_ | so i have to have the popup outside the table and make it show in the right place, like the old more menu did | 23:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen, is there already an email receipt template in the making somewhere | 23:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:47 |
| @rizen | it's already there | 23:50 |
| @rizen | it's in the import node along with all the other shop stuff | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh, what's the namespace then | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok i'll find it | 23:50 |
| @rizen | Shop/EmailReceipt | 23:50 |
| @rizen | did i not set the defaults in the PayDriver.pm? | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | but there are no templates showing up in the field | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | so maybe the namespace of the template is wrong | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | checking... | 23:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6495 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/assetManager/ (assetManager.js assetManager.css): missed some files in my checkin | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | Shop/ReceiptEmail | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | which one should it be | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 23:53 |
| @rizen | go with whatever the template is | 23:53 |
| @rizen | and change the code | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 23:53 |
| @rizen | sorry about that | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | now that I have my error logging back, it takes only a few minutes | 23:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of half an hour or so | 23:55 |
| --- Day changed Thu May 29 2008 | ||
| @rizen | Announcement: https://svn.webgui.org/sqlform/ and https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/sqlform | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | why did you just delete the Cash and ITransact i18n files? | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I needed just to rename those | 00:28 |
| @rizen | cuz i got overzealous trying to get rid of shit | 00:29 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:29 |
| @rizen | you can get them back very easily | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | typical =) | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok how do i do that? | 00:30 |
| @preaction_ | MrHairgrease, svn up -r# file (where # is the number they existed in). | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | really?!?! | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | svn is so much nicer than cvs | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | great | 00:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | awesome | 00:33 |
| @rizen | you can also do it through the web interface | 00:33 |
| @rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/checkout/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/CommercePaymentCash.pm?rev=5088 | 00:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | it works | 00:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | already did it command line | 00:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, but how do I readd them to the latest revision? | 00:36 |
| @preaction_ | svn ci file -m'fixing an oversight' | 00:38 |
| @preaction_ | unless it says "out of date", then i might be wrong | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm | 00:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just copied the files elsewhere, svn up'ed, copied them back and svn add'ed them again | 00:38 |
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| juan | i have the next error in the calendar after adding a event | 00:42 |
| juan | Couldn't call method view on asset for url: home/agenda/programacion-general Root cause: The 'hour' parameter ("24") to DateTime::new did not pass the 'is between 0 and 23' callback | 00:42 |
| juan | i deleted the events that i added but the error continues | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | preaction...if you're finding this datatable stuff too hard just revert to your version of it, and i'll make the data table work when i get back | 00:59 |
| @rizen | it being your version of the asset manager | 01:00 |
| @rizen | gotta go | 01:00 |
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| * MrHairgrease is calling it a day | 01:52 | |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 01:52 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Anyone figured this out yet? http://thesecretdevice.com/ | 02:00 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I've only poked around on the first level. the girls vlog I don't ge.t | 02:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6496 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): ITransact and other fixes and migration of payment plugins. | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6497 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (CommercePaymentCash.pm CommercePaymentITransact.pm): Reverted overzealous behaviour. | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6498 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 10 dirs): removed SQL Form from the distro | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6499 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed ExpireSubcriptionCode workflow activity to use the new system. | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added code to remove the ProcessRecurringPayments workflow activity from the config file. | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6500 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Added a section on the subscription migration to gotcha.txt | 02:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6501 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added messages about new postback url. | 02:15 |
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| metanil | hello anybody alive? | 07:14 |
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| Samus_Aran | does WebGUI work with 64bit GNU/Linux distros (using manual install) ? | 10:01 |
| Samus_Aran | I'm planning to switch from XUbuntu 6.10 LTS/32bit to Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS/64bit, unless it's going to prevent me using WebGUI | 10:01 |
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| AMH_henry | we have WebGUI running on our Ubuntu 6.6 64bit servers | 10:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | using centos 4 - 64-bit on my hosting account with webgui as well | 10:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | I was able to get away with just using the normal centos build of the wre too.. just had to install a lot of 64-bit versions of the libraries to get it working I seem to recall | 10:28 |
| AMH_henry | we have most of the required perl modules built into debian packages, I think i'll start building them for Ubuntu 8.04 soon | 10:30 |
| Samus_Aran | AMH_henry: will I be able to CPAN compile 64bit Perl modules for WebGUI ? | 10:33 |
| Samus_Aran | I've never used a 64bit system directly, just over SSH without admin priveledges, so I don't know much about details yet | 10:33 |
| AMH_henry | all modules should compile fine with cpan. You need to install alot of development library though. What we did was setup a virtual machine for compilation of perl modules and package them as debian packages. The production WebGUI machine only need to install those debian packages | 10:37 |
| Samus_Aran | okay thank you. it will be nice to get out of a virtual machine.... the previous IT at this place installed XUbuntu in a VMware Player virtual machine, with limited RAM/hard drive/CPUs | 10:40 |
| Samus_Aran | will be very nice to have a native 64bit system, instead of on top of Windows Server 2003 | 10:40 |
| Samus_Aran | the server is way overkill for what the organisation does, which is run a few web sites and some network file shares | 10:41 |
| Samus_Aran | dual-CPU dual-core 4MB L2 cache 1.66Ghz Xeons, 4x73GB 10K RPM SAS, 2GB RAM | 10:42 |
| Samus_Aran | it was even set up with a hot spare disk. silly. everything important is backed up offsite. I'm redoing it so it will be RAID 5 across the 4 disks | 10:42 |
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| patspam | any core developers about? | 11:52 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6502 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added basic Flux Rule CRUD and tests | 13:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6503 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (12 files in 7 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Re-organised tests and added some misc project files | 13:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6504 /branch/WebGUI_flux/t/Flux/Rule: WebGUI_flux: finished cleanup | 13:38 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:37 |
| Samus_Aran | SDuensin: morning | 16:39 |
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| ckotil | Anyone know the ?func= to get to the edit profile screen? | 17:54 |
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| ckotil | ?op=editProfile | 18:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6505 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added some UserList search form tmpl_vars | 18:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6506 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/www/extras/assets/userlist.gif: Added UserList icon | 18:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: Did you get your core question answered? | 18:46 |
| patspam | perlDreamer: yeah thanks, dug through my dev list emails and found an answer | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | good deal | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: op=editProfile | 18:50 |
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| miloidrr | Hi, i have a question about the collaboration system template | 19:57 |
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| jua2 | i want to create my own templates using HTML::Template::Expr | 20:00 |
| miloidrr | In the CSystem, ithave 3 templates templates | 20:00 |
| jua2 | using it can i create my own variables? | 20:01 |
| miloidrr | How can i put the atacchment file in the weblog template? | 20:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6507 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added tmpl_vars for files to UserList | 20:05 |
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| webgeek | if i manually enter in a user with the proper connect string and authenticate against my ldap connection it works fine. however, i cannot automatic register using ldap. how can i get this to happen since i know if finds my ldap server | 21:09 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6508 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): | 21:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added more keys to the list of bad EXIF keys. CameraID and CameraType seem to make JSON croak... | 21:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed issue where bad EXIF cache would kill the entire album | 21:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added more variables for resolutions | 21:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added better handling of Pending albums and photos. | 21:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6509 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): missed some things | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | jua2: You can not make your own variables when using HTML::Template::Expr | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | The only way to make new variables is to change the source code. | 22:00 |
| nuba | or else theres Template Toolkit templates too, which you can use in WebGUI | 22:15 |
| nuba | where you're given power to accomplish things unheard of!... | 22:16 |
| nuba | and also to shoot yourself in the foot in nice ways :D | 22:16 |
| nuba | depending on how and how much you play with it | 22:17 |
| miloidrr | nuba: How i found the toolkit templates? | 22:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6510 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Photo.pm: fix: this is what i get for not testing beforehand... | 22:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6511 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (lib/WebGUI/Form/Country.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): patch the country list | 22:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6512 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Country.pm: forward porting update to country list | 22:20 |
| nuba | miloidrr: support for template toolkit already comes with WebGUI | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines | 22:21 |
| nuba | nice | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | The wiki is so full of stuff, yet no one reads it | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | We need to make a wikibot that returns the top 5 hits for a search in the wiki | 22:21 |
| miloidrr | I have completed these steps | 22:23 |
| nuba | and?... | 22:24 |
| @preaction_ | miloidrr, you have to make your own templates for Template Toolkit, there are none pre-installed | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | what? WebGUI doesn't come with other templates? And it won't change them for me? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | What kind of third rate piece of perl crap is this? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | waaaahhhhhh | 22:25 |
| nuba | miloidrr: have you considered first googling around for template toolkit and actually checking | 22:27 |
| nuba | miloidrr: if it does what you need done, first? | 22:27 |
| nuba | miloidrr: before engaging in the eforrt of enabling template toolkit and also making template toolkit templates? | 22:28 |
| nuba | miloidrr: you know, you should get yourself informed about things before trying whatever it is people throw at you | 22:29 |
| nuba | miloidrr: this is internet, and these are complicated times | 22:29 |
| miloidrr | :) | 22:29 |
| nuba | miloidrr: its not like what you see on TV, things you hear on the internt May not be true! | 22:30 |
| miloidrr | I would like to change the default submision template | 22:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | brace for IRC impact | 22:40 |
| miloidrr | When an user attach a file, if it is a file .doc show somethingthing, wmv show a flashplayer | 22:43 |
| jua2 | perlDreamer, what can i do with HTML::Template::Expr and where can use it? | 22:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template::Expr is the same as HTML::Template, except that it allows you to do more complex logical comparisons. Instead of true or false, you can do greater than, less than, you can write equations, you can manipulate strings. But those always end up in comparison functions, not variable assignments. | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | To use it, follow these instructions: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and then set the Template Engine in a template's properties to HTML::Template::Expr | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | lord... when CIA-6 catches up it's gonna have a slew of commits by me | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction_, one small assetmanager issue if you go to an asset with no children, it'll say data erro | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | does click and drag work in the new asset manager yet? | 22:51 |
| @preaction_ | yeah. gotta find a way to deal with that | 22:51 |
| @preaction_ | there is no click and drag, there's better | 22:51 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6513 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm: fixed resolutions problem | 22:51 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6514 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm: fixed labels | 22:51 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6515 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo.pm: ordered resolutions numerically instead of ascibetically | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | what's better than click and drag for reordering? | 22:51 |
| @preaction_ | you simply type in the number you want and click "update" | 22:51 |
| @preaction_ | click and drag would suck over multiple pages | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Why is it that Amazon patented the 1-click? :) | 22:52 |
| @preaction_ | hell, it sucked with a single page | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | doesn't work for me | 22:52 |
| @preaction_ | because there's no dragging involved? | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 22:52 |
| @preaction_ | MrHairgrease, updating rank? | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have three assets | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | with rank 1, 2 and 3 | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | i want to swap 1 and 3 | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i fill in 1 in 3's rank box | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the box thingy | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | and click update | 22:53 |
| * perlDreamer goes back out to the lab | 22:53 | |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing happens | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | even if I change 1's rank to 3 it doesn't do anything | 22:54 |
| @preaction_ | looks like it didn't get translated properly to the new datatable thing. i'll have to take a look tonight after i'm done with regular work | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's no problem for me | 22:55 |
| jua2 | perlDreamer, i did all that you suggested me in the link | 22:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just wanted to see if it worked | 22:55 |
| jua2 | and when i go to edit a template, i can see the new engine | 22:55 |
| jua2 | now, i am going to try to test it modifying one of the templates | 23:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6516 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/ (PayDriver/Cash.pm PayDriver.pm PayDriver/ITransact.pm): ITransact fixes. | 23:39 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6517 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 00:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Fixed recurring payment cancelation and added error handling | 00:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Made transactions with recurring items recurring | 00:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Fixed some bugs in the email receipt code | 00:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: - Added email receipt template to migrated plugins | 00:25 |
| @apeiron | Hm. Shouldn't the SQL for PBproductimportnode001 be in create.sql or previousVersion.sql? | 00:44 |
| @apeiron | Because as HEAD stands right now, you can't install that version directly, and have to upgrade. That asset isn't created, which causes shop-related tests to fail. | 00:45 |
| @preaction_ | apeiron, no. create.sql is auto-generated when the build is made | 00:46 |
| @apeiron | preaction_, ah, okay. | 00:46 |
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| @apeiron | Would hate to see 7.5 stable be released and.... not work at all. | 00:47 |
| @preaction_ | when you do an svn up, you should also do a resetdev, which is basically loading previousVersion.sql and then cd WebGUI/sbin; perl upgrade.pl --doit | 00:47 |
| @preaction_ | there's a resetdev script out there somewhere | 00:47 |
| @apeiron | Yes. I had tried to start directly from HEAD as I didn't have anything even remotely close to the nearest upgrade point. | 00:48 |
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| dionak | hey guys | 03:17 |
| dionak | just saying hello. | 03:17 |
| dionak | looks like a decently busy day on IRC | 03:17 |
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| Samus_Aran | dionak: Greetings | 04:22 |
| dionak | hey there Samus_Aran | 04:22 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6518 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): depricate $session->errorHandler over $session->log | 04:52 |
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| patspam | $session->log++ | 05:50 |
| @apeiron | Agreed, (less typing)++ | 05:50 |
| @apeiron | It's also more suitably named. It can do more than just log *errors*. | 05:50 |
| @apeiron | rizen++ | 05:50 |
| patspam | now if we just rename $session to $c (for context) I can revert to all my lazy catalyst typing habits | 05:53 |
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| metanilca | hello | 07:23 |
| metanilca | anybody home? | 07:24 |
| metanilca | anybody know what this will do --> $base->getLineage(["children"],{returnObjects=>1});?? | 07:30 |
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| perlDreamer | metanil: you still awake? | 10:02 |
| perlDreamer | $base->getLineage(["children"],{returnObjects=>1}); | 10:03 |
| perlDreamer | should get all assets which are children (1 level below only) and return you a list of objects | 10:03 |
| perlDreamer | return you a list of the children as objects | 10:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6519 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): make the upgrade script remove SQLForm files, code, Help, i18n and test. Retire the SQLForm test in the repo | 10:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6520 /WebGUI/t/ (Workflow.t lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): migrate some tests from errorHandler to log | 10:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6521 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/Product.t: update the plan since tests were moved into Asset.t for getIsa | 10:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6522 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): clean up old commerce macro tests and have the upgrade script remove them for the user | 10:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6523 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Pay.t: account for another default paydriver not that itransact has been added | 10:30 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6524 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update PayDriver.t with the latest definition and form elements | 10:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6525 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (14 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Flux::Expression CRUD implementation and tests | 10:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6526 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 10:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Since the topical view of the Help has gone away, the TOC labels | 10:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: are no longer required in the i18n files. Remove the test and | 10:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: subroutine from Operation/Help.pm. | 10:52 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:27 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:34 |
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| perlDreamer | Hey, everyone | 18:42 |
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| elnino | Good morning! Really easy question (I hope) ... I have a macro that I'm passing in strings that are surrounded by quotes, and when I print them from the macro, they still have quotes around them, is there perl function or even something in webgui that I can call to strip the quotes. I want to make this fool proof so my user can pass in parameters with or without quotes. | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | elnino, they're already supposed to have the quotes stripped by the macro processor | 18:49 |
| elnino | hmm. not happening. Perhaps i'm having a brain fart and doing something goofy. Ive written so many macros and never had a problem before. weird. I'll keep looking. | 18:50 |
| perlDreamer | what kind of quotes are you using, and do they need them? | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | you really don't need quotes unless you have embedded commas, IIRC | 18:53 |
| elnino | ok. I stripped it down to just returning one of the variables, and it's returing the quotes: return $linktext | 18:53 |
| elnino | I'm just using a double quote. I just happened to use the quotes, because it's natural for me to do so.. the macro is called as such: ^popupwindow("Start Survey", "Start Survey Now", "http://surveys.verticalresponse.com/","",""); | 18:54 |
| perlDreamer | elnino, are there really spaces after some of the commas? That could be messing things up | 18:58 |
| elnino | yep, I copied pasted. I'll try without spaces. | 18:58 |
| elnino | yep. That fixed it. See. EASY. =) | 18:59 |
| elnino | Thank you! | 19:00 |
| perlDreamer | You're welcome. I updated the wiki to add that as a note. | 19:02 |
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| elnino | Very thorough, thank you again! | 19:13 |
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| topsub | question.. when i browse into a folder and click on add a new file. under the "display" it is auto selected"Yes" for hide from navagation. Is this a default setting or is this something i can have it say "no" by default.. The parent folders all have this set to no. | 19:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6527 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 9 dirs): Added UserList wobject | 19:40 |
| bopbop | topsub: Yes is the default for any assets added inside a container asset- so any file inside a folder will have hide from nav set to yes by default | 19:48 |
| topsub | is there a way to have it set to no by default? or is that just what it is? | 19:49 |
| bopbop | it's just the way it is for now | 19:49 |
| bopbop | it's logical- if you think about a page layout, you wouldn't normally want every article, poll, calendar etc displayed on the page to appear in the site nav by default.... so the same applies to files inside a folder | 19:50 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Good morning! | 19:53 |
| JohnRestrepo | I have a very specific question to all of you | 19:54 |
| JohnRestrepo | The thing is: I'm trying to send a variable with the GET method ("<hi><one>two</one></hi>") as a string to webgui | 19:55 |
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| JohnRestrepo | But webgui take this as a HTML | 19:55 |
| JohnRestrepo | And only print "two" | 19:55 |
| topsub | thanks, bopbop | 19:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | When I sent "<u>two</u>" | 19:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | Y print me two with an underline | 19:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | How can I send a string like a string? | 19:56 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6528 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro/AssetProxy.pm: Changed AssetProxy macro's error handling | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo: What are you using to access the string as a form variable in WebGUI? | 20:20 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'm sending from Flash to webgui through a macro | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | in the macro, how are you accessing the string as a form variable? | 20:22 |
| JohnRestrepo | With $session->form->param(str) | 20:24 |
| JohnRestrepo | Where str is the variable name | 20:24 |
| JohnRestrepo | Something like $var = $session->...... | 20:25 |
| JohnRestrepo | And $output = $var; | 20:25 |
| JohnRestrepo | And then | 20:25 |
| JohnRestrepo | return $output; | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | form->param does not do any post-processing of the data | 20:26 |
| perlDreamer | it takes it directly from the Apache request object | 20:26 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI is giving you what it gets | 20:26 |
| JohnRestrepo | So the problem is Apache | 20:26 |
| JohnRestrepo | ? | 20:26 |
| perlDreamer | or your Flash | 20:26 |
| JohnRestrepo | mm | 20:26 |
| JohnRestrepo | Thanks | 20:27 |
| JohnRestrepo | I'll take a look | 20:27 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: Is collateral singular or plural, or something else altogether? | 20:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6529 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Group.pm): Added group id and name to all group operations | 20:37 |
| bopbop | perldreamer: as a noun, singular; as an adjective, it's usually used to describe more than one | 21:00 |
| perlDreamer | so, what's the proper way to say that you have more than one collateral? | 21:01 |
| bopbop | give me a context | 21:02 |
| bopbop | use it like fish or deer | 21:02 |
| perlDreamer | the context is awkward. | 21:02 |
| bopbop | you can say "multiple collateral" | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | It is good programming practice to name arrays as plurals | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | and then to access one element of the array as singular | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | $address = $addresses[0] | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | foreach $address in @addresses | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | so then I have some collateral | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | and I'm wondering how to refer to them clearly | 21:03 |
| bopbop | use it like fish, deer, or moose- just say collateral for sing. and plural | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | okay | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | thank you! | 21:04 |
| bopbop | when you have it written fell free to share it with me and I'll see if I can clear it up if need be | 21:04 |
| * apeiron fells free | 21:04 | |
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| JohnRestrepo | Guys | 22:02 |
| JohnRestrepo | Where can I find a file created by the open() function in webgui | 22:02 |
| JohnRestrepo | I give it a path but, nothing happen | 22:02 |
| @perlmonkey2 | You know the problem with JSON-ifying anything is that the only reports you'll be able to get are from code. No sql queries or using thingy. | 22:09 |
| @perlmonkey2 | I guess in the responses I could put any pertinent information needed for a query. | 22:11 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, You can change that. Write DBD::JSON. | 22:11 |
| @apeiron | That's actually an idea that's been kicking about in my head for the past day or so. | 22:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | wow....incredible idea | 22:12 |
| @perlmonkey2 | but JSON allows both arrays and hashes. | 22:13 |
| @perlmonkey2 | hashes seems like a hard concept to get an RDB paradigm. | 22:13 |
| @apeiron | nowai. It's a single-row table. | 22:14 |
| JohnRestrepo | Any answer for my question? | 22:20 |
| JohnRestrepo | Sorry but it's importatn | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo, your question isn' specific enough to answer. Which open() are you talking about? Perl's, or one from a WebGUI module, or what? | 22:50 |
| JohnRestrepo | Perl's | 23:01 |
| perlDreamer | do you check for errors on open? open or die "Hey, this is a problem : $!\n"; | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | open is used in WebGUI::Storage and other places, and it works fine | 23:03 |
| @apeiron | JohnRestrepo, Could you paste the code you're trying which isn't doing what you want to a pastebin? | 23:03 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yeah!!! | 23:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejeje | 23:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | I got it | 23:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | My problem was with the name of the file | 23:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | I never gave it a path | 23:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | I gave it in the name | 23:08 |
| perlDreamer | so it saved it in "." | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | Yes | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | What I did was this: | 23:08 |
| perlDreamer | Did you find what was going on with your earlier problem? the form variable? | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | open (MIFICH, ">/tmp/$name"); | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | print MIFICH $xml; | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | close (MIFICH); | 23:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | The $name was "http://..........." | 23:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | Without a path | 23:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | Now I add /tmp/ | 23:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | And it worked perfectly | 23:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | Was a beginner error | 23:09 |
| JohnRestrepo | ;) | 23:09 |
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| perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo: Did you find out what was happening with your problem from this morning, about form data? | 23:19 |
| SquOnk | Weird error... | 23:22 |
| SquOnk | [Fri May 30 15:50:40 2008] [error] [client 192.168.0.201] Can't locate auto/Apache2/Request/print.al in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/webgui/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . /etc/apache2) at /usr/share/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm line 93\n | 23:22 |
| SquOnk | Ideas? | 23:22 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: This is with the Debian WebGUI package running on perl 5.10? | 23:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yep | 23:22 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ah, but got an answer already... | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | excellent! | 23:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It's a bug :-) | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | Whose bug? | 23:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: WebGUI's | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | uh oh | 23:23 |
| SquOnk | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/perl-apache2request-fatal-error | 23:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So I guess 7.5.11 has it fixed | 23:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: BTW, all this is because 7.5 is going into Debian instead of 7.4 | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | I see | 23:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I had complaints from my sponsor and Debian FTP Masters regarding WebGUI's inclusion of YUI and tinymce2. It's a bug to package third-party wholesale distributions. Now, Debian already has yui and tinymce2 packaged, so it's a matter of symlinks; but 7.4 does not work with YUI 2.5 and 7.5 does... | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | ...so we're getting 7.5 in Debian :-) | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | Question is, when will 7.5.11 be out? | 23:27 |
| perlDreamer | End of June. | 23:27 |
| perlDreamer | Feature freeze is tomorrow | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Perfect timing. | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I guess I'll patch the bug on 7.5.10 and wait for 7.5.11 | 23:27 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: If you find the patch, please post back. It doesn't say in the bug report how it was fixed. | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | and the code for that file is exactly the same as reported | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | so it must be fixed elsewhere | 23:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What does HEAD have? | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | 7.5.11-pre :) | 23:29 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: Do you remember how you fixed this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/perl-apache2request-fatal-error ? | 23:29 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What does it have for that file | 23:29 |
| perlDreamer | That file has the same code snippet as shown in the bug. | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | it just needed Apache2::RequestIO loaded somewhere | 23:29 |
| perlDreamer | cool. | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | i don't remember which file i stuck it in, but i remember not being certain it was the best place to put it. | 23:30 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Oh | 23:30 |
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| @tavisto | hey all | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | It's all tavisto's fault! | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | noooooooo! | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | Ye. | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | tay vees toe ! | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | wait a sec.. I thought we fired chris | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | s | 23:31 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: But it's included in 7.5.11 for sure, right? | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | nono, we fired tavis | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | it's in lib/WebGUI.pm | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah? fire the guy that just pulled in a rockstar? | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | *does the happy dance* | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | .... crap | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | all right, now y'all can afford to hire me! | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | anyway, anyone do the 10.5.3 update yet? | 23:31 |
| SquOnk | use Apache2::RequestIO (); | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | heck yeah pD | 23:31 |
| SquOnk | That's it? | 23:31 |
| @apeiron | On my desktop, yeah. | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | we need someone to wash our cars and stuff | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | yes SquOnk | 23:32 |
| SquOnk | Great. | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | you didnt' do your MBP? | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | Been busy on it. :) | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | ... though that's reasoning *to* upgrade it. | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | I'm about to do it.. just wanted to make sure it's not death | 23:32 |
| perlDreamer | Most Belligerent Programmer? | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | My iMac is fine, but there may be differences. | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | 10.5.2 was death for me | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | Macbook Pro | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | tr/b/B/ | 23:32 |
| @Haarg | the update worked fine for me | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | skype stopped working well, system freezes, multi-color crashes | 23:33 |
| @apeiron | oO | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | excellent, thanks | 23:33 |
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| @tavisto | my mac turned into a PC on 10.5.2 | 23:33 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, Multi-color crashes? | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | jobs always did do things with style | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | yeah... I sent a screenshot to JT and he thought I dropped it | 23:33 |
| @apeiron | haha, let me see. | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | the screen was that jacked up... let me track it down real quick | 23:33 |
| @tavisto | oh it's on my iphone.. I'll email it to you | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | it looks like an 80's arcade game | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: Here's a link to the SVN WEB interface for future reference and browsing: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/ | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | HEAD = WebGUI | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | branches are in the branch directory | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | WRE is in wrebuild | 23:35 |
| @tavisto | on the way C-dawg | 23:35 |
| perlDreamer | individual releases in releases | 23:35 |
| perlDreamer | and so on | 23:35 |
| perlDreamer | oh, and the i18n packs are in translations | 23:35 |
| perlDreamer | that's handy sometimes | 23:35 |
| @apeiron | Thanks, heh, pretty curious about it myself. | 23:35 |
| @tavisto | I have to say guys... I'm craving those damn baked goods from the Ruby | 23:35 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: Kathy and I are at the Ruby for the WUC | 23:36 |
| @apeiron | haha, wtf, that's weeeeeird. | 23:36 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer you will love the free breakfast | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | I'll probably have to run to the WUC to keep my svelte figure. | 23:36 |
| @apeiron | Yeah. (ruby marie)++ # awesome breakfast | 23:36 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer: why didn't that turn your name bold | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | I didn't use your name | 23:37 |
| perlDreamer | bold: tavisto | 23:37 |
| perlDreamer | regular otsivat | 23:37 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer, Haarg: Running beautifully. The first revision of webgui 7.5.1 for Debian is ready. | 23:37 |
| @tavisto | i used to be such an IRC war3z nerd and now I've lost all my l33t irc skills | 23:37 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.5.10, sorry :-) | 23:37 |
| perlDreamer | We'll school you again at OSCON | 23:37 |
| SquOnk | lol | 23:38 |
| @Haarg | cool | 23:38 |
| @tavisto | Chris isn't that a nice screen? | 23:38 |
| @tavisto | the bottom one looks like a new level in digdug | 23:39 |
| @apeiron | Yes, that's really odd. | 23:39 |
| @tavisto | they upgraded the graphics drivers in 10.5.2 and apparently certain cards hate those particular drivers.. new drivers are included in 10.5.3 | 23:39 |
| @apeiron | hmph. I've not had problems anything like that. | 23:39 |
| @tavisto | okay... wish me luck... time to upgrade. brb i hope | 23:39 |
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| perlDreamer | SquOnk: How do we ensure that the Debian packages provide the versions of YUI and tinymce that are compatible with wG? | 23:58 |
| perlDreamer | Or is that all accomplished due to the magic of volunteer package management? | 23:59 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: YUI is 2.5.0 | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: TinyMCE2 is the appropiate version. | 00:02 |
| perlDreamer | okay | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: WG patches are placed in such a way that they do not disturb YUI nor TinyMCE2 | 00:02 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So it's just a matter of symlinking or Apache alias magic. | 00:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: For instance, if you aptitude install yui, you get /var/www/yui and all you need is for your apps to use "/yui" | 00:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But if you don't want to do it like that, the _actual_ YUI code is in /usr/share/yui | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...so you symlink from your app there. | 00:04 |
| perlDreamer | makes sense | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian makes sense :-) | 00:04 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6530 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm: Removed install code from UserList | 00:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6531 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm): Added overridePublicEmail and overridePublicProfile settings to UserList | 00:40 |
| JohnRestrepo | New question, new question | 00:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejej | 00:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | Flash again | 00:56 |
| JohnRestrepo | I wanna execute a function from flash with getURL("javascript:foo('text')") | 00:57 |
| JohnRestrepo | And inside the template of a collaboration system I have the script | 00:57 |
| JohnRestrepo | <script type="javascript"> | 00:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | function foo(var){ | 00:58 |
| perlDreamer | JohnRestrepo: please use the paste: webgui.pastebin.com | 00:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok | 00:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | I didn't know it | 00:58 |
| perlDreamer | No sweat | 00:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m44b64d63 | 00:59 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok | 00:59 |
| JohnRestrepo | That's ti | 01:00 |
| JohnRestrepo | it | 01:00 |
| JohnRestrepo | The alert don't execute | 01:00 |
| JohnRestrepo | sorry | 01:00 |
| JohnRestrepo | doesn't execute | 01:00 |
| @preaction | JohnRestrepo, do you have firebug? that might help. otherwise there are javascript-specific channels on this network that might be able to help | 01:01 |
| @preaction | also, it should be type="text/javascript" <-- type is the content / MIME type of the script | 01:01 |
| JohnRestrepo | I have tried that | 01:01 |
| JohnRestrepo | And nothing | 01:01 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok, could you please give me the channels? | 01:02 |
| @apeiron | uhm, it's not something you "try", it's something you do, because it's standard. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | okay, but it should still be type="text/javascript" | 01:02 |
| @preaction | JohnRestrepo, ##Javascript would be a good one. but I'm betting the flash is the problem. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | also, if you type "/list" in your IRC client, you'll get a list of the channels on this network | 01:02 |
| JohnRestrepo | Thanks a lot | 01:03 |
| @apeiron | preaction, /list is deprecated in favor of C</msg chanserv list pattern> for Freenode. | 01:03 |
| @preaction | pfft, silly freenode | 01:03 |
| @apeiron | It's a performance issue. Lots of (inactive) channels and they don't want you listing them all. | 01:03 |
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| metanil | what is this lineage field in database? 000001000002000048000001000003.. | 02:17 |
| metanil | it was assigned $self->get("lineage").$self->getNextChildRank; | 02:17 |
| perlDreamer | lineage keeps track of the "lineage" or hierarchial path from the WebGUI Root node to the object. It can be split into 6 character chunks. | 02:20 |
| perlDreamer | 000001 is root | 02:20 |
| perlDreamer | 000002 is second child of root | 02:20 |
| perlDreamer | and so on | 02:20 |
| metanil | oh.. | 02:31 |
| metanil | so just by lineage field i can easily get grand grand parent, isn't it? | 02:31 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:31 |
| metanil | sweet! | 02:31 |
| @preaction | that's what $asset->getLineage( ['ancestors'] ); is for | 02:32 |
| perlDreamer | I guess that can be shorter than $self->getParent->getParent->getParent :) | 02:33 |
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| metanil | Is there any built-in function to get all the child's (recursively) assetid?? | 02:40 |
| @apeiron | Perhaps you want $asset->getLineage( [ 'descendants'] ); # ? | 02:40 |
| metanil | i can write by querying into database directly, but just asking if there was any.. | 02:40 |
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| metanil | ya that would definitely work .. | 02:44 |
| @preaction | metanil, how about looking at the lib/WebGUI/AssetLinage.pm file for all the things you can do about lineage? | 02:46 |
| metanil | preaction, thanks.. i am looking at it right now.. | 02:48 |
| @apeiron | Would anyone who's able please test the inheritUrlFromParent change I just checked in, via an upgrade? I tested it myself and it worked, but I'd be more comfortable knowing at least another set of eyes has tried it. | 02:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6533 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 02:55 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add the inheritUrlFromParent property, which causes the asset to prepend its | 02:55 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: parent's URL to its own URL. Boolean, default off, found in the meta tab. | 02:55 |
| @preaction | uh... i'm not sure that's a good idea | 02:56 |
| @preaction | what does it do? | 02:57 |
| @apeiron | If enabled, it looks at the asset's parent and prepends that asset's URL to the current asset. | 02:57 |
| @preaction | when? | 02:58 |
| @apeiron | When the flag is enabled. | 02:58 |
| @preaction | i mean when is the parent URL prepended? is it in the database or is it when you're calculating the URL with getUrl? | 02:59 |
| @apeiron | In the DB. | 02:59 |
| @preaction | uh... uh...... uhhhhhhh...... | 03:00 |
| @preaction | so how is that different from Edit Branch and Setting the URL to parent URL + Menu Title? | 03:00 |
| @apeiron | er, it uses the URL and not the menu title? :) | 03:01 |
| @preaction | so... i flip this flag, and then my asset will automatically add its parent's url to whatever url I put in the URL field | 03:04 |
| @apeiron | Yes. | 03:04 |
| @preaction | but none of the child assets will do the same | 03:04 |
| @apeiron | Unless they set the flag. | 03:05 |
| @preaction | unless they specifically handle it themselves | 03:05 |
| @preaction | but it's in update(), so if i want to override it programmatically, i have to disable it temporarily | 03:06 |
| @apeiron | If you can think of a better place to put it, please, let me know. | 03:07 |
| @preaction | the processPropertiesFromFormPost probably | 03:07 |
| @apeiron | But would that handle updating an asset from the API directly? | 03:08 |
| @preaction | no | 03:08 |
| @apeiron | When I was looking at where to put this code, one of my goals was to not duplicate it--so it went in update(). | 03:08 |
| @preaction | that's the point, disallow things from the web interface, but don't prevent those who should know what they're doing from doing it | 03:08 |
| @apeiron | hm. So do you think it would be better in processPropertiesFromFormPost and let an API user do it manually? | 03:10 |
| @preaction | i don't know really. i still don't really like the idea, since by default the URL is the parent asset's URL + the current asset's menuTitle | 03:11 |
| metanil | does this sounds right? http://webgui.pastebin.com/d9ae73d0 | 03:29 |
| metanil | at line 3 $self = $asset | 03:30 |
| @apeiron | metanil, Have you tried it? | 03:34 |
| @apeiron | Also, a tiny most likely microscopic optimization: change the second if to elsif | 03:34 |
| @apeiron | Also, you need . rather than + to concatenate strings. | 03:35 |
| metanil | apeiron: i am trying to run.. ..(oh yaa.. thanks.. i'll change them).. | 03:36 |
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| @apeiron | perlbot, three questions? | 03:36 |
| perlbot | what do you have? what do you get? what do you expect? | 03:36 |
| @apeiron | note: you cannot fully answer those before trying the code, which likely would have given you errors about the + ops. :) | 03:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: arjan * r6534 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 4 dirs): - add: United Knowledge Player added. This player allows you to display a photo collection as a slideshow. A demo can be found in /extras/ukplayer/slideshow. html. (Arjan Widlak, United Knowledge) | 03:39 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6535 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: Gotchas for Start/End Times in Version tags | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6536 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Added Start/End time features | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6537 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: Added workflow activity, rebuilt workflow for Commit with and without approval, and added start and end time to version tags | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6538 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm: Added Changes to allow start/end times to be set for version tags | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6539 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: added Changes to allow start/end times to be set for version tags | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6540 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/VersionTag.pm: Added Changes to allow start/end times to be set for version tags | 04:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6541 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/WaitUntil.pm: Workflow Activity which waits until the start or end time of a version tag is reached before continuing | 04:36 |
| metanil | apeiron: it didn't work for no reason | 05:05 |
| metanil | apeiron: i think $asset->getLineage( ["descendants"], {returnObject => 1}); didn't return any child, but when i queried in the database it will show list of child for that assetid. | 05:08 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, it doesn't work | 05:08 |
| perlbot | Look buddy, doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Be specific! Examples of what doesn't work (or the URL) tend to help too, or pastebin the code | 05:08 |
| @apeiron | metanil, Have you tried piping the output through Data::Dumper and $session->errorHandler->warn or so? | 05:09 |
| metanil | oops.. ok i'll post the code again http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7f4cb7a9 | 05:11 |
| @apeiron | First step: $self->session->errorHandler->warn(Dumper $descendants); | 05:19 |
| @apeiron | metanil, Second step: you want returnObjects, not returnObject | 05:20 |
| * apeiron would really like to have those validated somehow, so stuff like this can't happen. | 05:21 | |
| metanil | apeiron: thanks .. great .. it worked | 05:22 |
| @apeiron | Great, glad to hear. | 05:22 |
| metanil | i didn't realize i forgot to put 's' in returnObject | 05:23 |
| @apeiron | Indeed, which is why I said you should Data::Dumper. That'd show you that you had a bunch of asset IDs rather than objects. | 05:28 |
| @apeiron | ... though if you *did* have objects, Dumpering them to the log may take a while.. | 05:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6542 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: correct a comment to be less confusing | 19:38 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6543 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: | 22:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: remove some commented out code from a previous implementation idea for | 22:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: inheritUrlFromParent | 22:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6544 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): | 23:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: bug fixes for widgets and exports. snippets were exported as index.html or the | 23:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: like, and widget toolboxes weren't popping up in a widgetized view. | 23:07 |
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