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+snapcount | argh... why is mysql replication so freaking cumbersome | 00:39 |
@rizen | remove mysql | 00:39 |
@rizen | replication is cumbersome | 00:39 |
+snapcount | heh... I guess that is a better way to put it | 00:40 |
+snapcount | I've never worked with repl on another rdbms before | 00:40 |
@rizen | i meant remove it from the sentence | 00:40 |
+snapcount | so it could be equally crappy on all platforms | 00:41 |
@rizen | not your server | 00:41 |
+snapcount | lol | 00:41 |
+snapcount | "but you said to remove mysql" | 00:41 |
@rizen | i've used it on oracle, mysql, and sybase | 00:41 |
@rizen | mysql is the easiest to set up, but has the fewest options out of the ones i've used | 00:41 |
@rizen | you need a special degree in oracle in order to set up replication in oracle | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | snapcount, he means s/mysql //; #all replication is freaking cumbersome | 00:42 |
Samus_Aran | can someone point me in the direction for updating the logout/login part. I have a styled login form that I want to appear once the person logs out | 00:43 |
+snapcount | perlDreamer: indeed =) | 00:46 |
Samus_Aran | figured it out. | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | Samus_Aran: when a person logs out returns you to the page that you were looking at (if you have permission) | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | it doesn't show you a custom relogin form | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | so all you can do is style the generic login form | 00:48 |
Samus_Aran | I found on the Wikie: ^LoginToggle("Click here to log in.","Click here to log out.","/url/to/your/template"); | 00:51 |
Samus_Aran | which seems to be what I want | 00:51 |
Samus_Aran | that is, if /url/to/your/template contains HTML for the login form. if not, I'm still lost | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | Samus_Aran: I'd suggest the L_loginBox macro instead | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | but either may do the trick | 00:54 |
Samus_Aran | which only appears when they are not logged in? | 00:54 |
Samus_Aran | maybe I will just keep the login form always visible, as I sometimes change users | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | l_loginBox: If they are logged in, it shows them a link to their account. If logged out, it shows them a login box for username/passwd | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | LoginToggle: show them text 1 with login if logged out, text 2 with logout if logged in | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | but you can build more sophisticated stuff as well | 00:56 |
+snapcount | rsync freaking rules | 00:59 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons | 01:06 |
+snapcount | does anyone know what is being used to announce svn commits in IRC? | 01:09 |
+snapcount | that is really cool... is it a one off or out there on the interwebs? | 01:10 |
+snapcount | preaction: is this a custom perlbot you wrote? | 01:10 |
@preaction | no, see http://cia.vc | 01:11 |
+snapcount | sweet... thanks man | 01:11 |
Samus_Aran | snapcount: rsync is great :) | 01:24 |
Samus_Aran | along with a small script to dump databases, it is very handy for offsite backups | 01:25 |
+snapcount | it's good for repairing replication when it breaks so you don't have to copy entire snapshots of the dbs | 01:26 |
+snapcount | esp when the db is like 20GB | 01:26 |
+snapcount | much faster | 01:27 |
Samus_Aran | well, these are teeny databases, hehe. just a few MB | 01:27 |
Samus_Aran | haven't had to deal with huge ones yet | 01:27 |
+snapcount | I'm new to it as well | 01:27 |
+snapcount | we have one now that is appx 750 million rows | 01:27 |
Samus_Aran | what is in it? | 01:27 |
+snapcount | people data | 01:27 |
Samus_Aran | user accounts for a web site ? | 01:28 |
+snapcount | criminal records, phone book type stuff, real estate transactions, etc | 01:28 |
+snapcount | professional records | 01:28 |
+snapcount | judgements, bankruptcies, lienss | 01:28 |
+snapcount | all kinds of crap | 01:28 |
+snapcount | not users in a website | 01:29 |
+snapcount | this is more like all the people in the united states | 01:30 |
+snapcount | and puerto rico I think | 01:30 |
+snapcount | thankfully we don't replicate that data =) | 01:32 |
+snapcount | that would be interesting to say the least | 01:32 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons | 01:32 |
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Samus_Aran | snapcount: what type of hard drive do you have to drive it, and how much RAM ? | 01:39 |
Samus_Aran | presumably a fast RAID array | 01:40 |
Samus_Aran | and too many GB of RAM | 01:40 |
+snapcount | That data is on a RAID 1, SAS 300GB 15K RPM | 01:41 |
+snapcount | 32GB of memory and dual quad core 2.0 GHz xeons | 01:41 |
Samus_Aran | it is remarkable how cheap servers are now than a few years ago | 01:42 |
+snapcount | for sure | 01:42 |
Samus_Aran | million dollar servers are now available for a few thousand | 01:42 |
Samus_Aran | kind of scary. | 01:42 |
+snapcount | that box I think cost me like 5 or 6K | 01:42 |
+snapcount | but we buy a lot of servers and get a fat discount | 01:42 |
Samus_Aran | discounts are always nice | 01:43 |
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+snapcount | I tell you what really impresses me is MySQL cluster | 01:45 |
+snapcount | if they could make it work with complex selects it would solve world hunger =D | 01:45 |
@apeiron | heh, http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/the_mysql_appliance.html | 01:46 |
@apeiron | ^^ that's impressive | 01:46 |
+snapcount | it is soooo fast and fault tolerant | 01:46 |
+snapcount | we have a four node setup that handles all of our AAA | 01:46 |
+snapcount | apeiron: I saw that at the conference a few weeks ago | 01:47 |
+snapcount | it is impressive but pricey | 01:47 |
+snapcount | I think bottom floor is like 25K and tops out around $200K | 01:47 |
+snapcount | but the architecture of using an "SQL Chip" is pretty cool | 01:48 |
+snapcount | The guy told me they won't be available until late fall | 01:50 |
+snapcount | but it sucks that they won't sell you the chip only | 01:50 |
@apeiron | Yeah, 10/14/2008 according to that site. | 01:50 |
@apeiron | indeed. I'd like to frob it with different DBs. | 01:50 |
+snapcount | you have to buy the appliance which is just a COTS server with a PCI-X card containing that chip | 01:50 |
+snapcount | and a diff storage engine for mysql | 01:50 |
+snapcount | who knows... maybe that will come someday =) | 01:51 |
+snapcount | finally got replication back up on this box | 01:55 |
+snapcount | what a PITA | 01:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): added missing help files | 01:57 |
+perlDreamer | rizenisaway: You big stud! | 01:59 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6285 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Product.pm: point Product Asset help to Sku help instead of wobject | 02:20 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more product variants work, i18n, forms and upgrade script | 02:20 |
Samus_Aran | once SSD are cheaper and faster, it will effortlessly beat out 15K drives | 02:25 |
Samus_Aran | it has the potential to be many times faster than any current disks | 02:25 |
Samus_Aran | and as a bonus is smaller and uses less electricity | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | there was a slashdot article saying that now, performance wise, they're much slower than mechanical drives | 02:26 |
Samus_Aran | currently they just plug into SATA slots and are not economical or particularly efficient | 02:26 |
Samus_Aran | but it is still the first generation | 02:27 |
Samus_Aran | I don't think platter drives will be used within 4-5 years | 02:27 |
Samus_Aran | they will also be cheaper to produce once the manufacturing is behind it | 02:28 |
Samus_Aran | oh, and great for databases, random access with the same seek time | 02:28 |
Samus_Aran | I'm about to build a 5.4 TiB array at home (9x SATA 750GB disks). perhaps by the time that is bursting at the seams, SSD will be cheap =) | 02:29 |
Samus_Aran | I haven't heard anything about heat, but I imagine SSD are very cool compared to platter disks. you can heat a house with regular hard drives | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | too bad you can't cool them :) | 02:31 |
+snapcount | my macbook air has the SSD | 02:32 |
+snapcount | it is a bit slower | 02:32 |
+snapcount | but the battery lasts for like 4.5 - 5 hrs | 02:33 |
+snapcount | it's really good at random writes but the mech drives blow it away on sequential writes | 02:33 |
+snapcount | which makes sense I think | 02:33 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6287 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): begin migrating Product data into variants | 02:52 |
Samus_Aran | battery efficiency, speed and storage capacity are going to skyrocket with SSD | 02:55 |
Samus_Aran | does anyone know how I can duplicate a template so that I can paste in my custom made code ? | 02:56 |
Samus_Aran | if I go to assets and select a template and do duplicate, it doesn't duplicate the template | 02:56 |
Samus_Aran | it just creates an empty folder | 02:56 |
Samus_Aran | not sure how to copy as well the content in it | 02:56 |
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Samus_Aran | duplicated the template manually, and now it won't let me apply anything to a whole branch... hum | 04:04 |
Samus_Aran | one question: is there a way without Apache mod_rewrite to make the top of the web site not have a name ? | 04:05 |
Samus_Aran | for example "home" shows up as http://www.foo.com/home | 04:05 |
Samus_Aran | but it also shows up as http://www.foo.com/ | 04:05 |
Samus_Aran | which is bad for search engines and caching | 04:06 |
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+Radix-wrk | sounds like spectre is the cause then | 04:15 |
+Radix-wrk | spectre shouldn't be timing out | 04:15 |
+Radix-wrk | check your spectre.conf file for typos, invalid domain names, etc | 04:15 |
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DX^ | I want to start a circuit schematic archive, so I want the ability to categorize a bunch of content, but I also want it to have tags and comments, so users can add info and search, can I do this with WebGUI? | 04:16 |
+Radix-wrk | the wiki has tags, and you can add pages, search, etc | 04:17 |
+Radix-wrk | it doesn't have the concept of comments though | 04:17 |
Samus_Aran | Radix-wrk: I restarted Apache earlier, then restarted spectre, I haven't changed anything since last time it was started a few weeks ago, hm | 04:17 |
@apeiron | No comments in non-CS content, anyway. | 04:17 |
@apeiron | And I think the Gallery has comemnts. | 04:17 |
@apeiron | But they're simple enough to add. | 04:18 |
+Radix-wrk | gallery/cs might be your best bet | 04:18 |
+Radix-wrk | new gallery in 7.5 has tags too doesn't it? | 04:18 |
@apeiron | hrmmm | 04:18 |
@apeiron | Not sure, haven't used it much. | 04:19 |
+Radix-wrk | I'm pretty sure it does | 04:19 |
DX^ | What is CS? | 04:19 |
@apeiron | Collaboration System. | 04:19 |
DX^ | ah | 04:19 |
@apeiron | The guy who wrote it isn't here at the moment. | 04:19 |
@apeiron | (the gallery) | 04:19 |
DX^ | webgui has all this? | 04:19 |
+Radix-wrk | DX^: Collaboration System - the Gallery is a rewrite of it essentially | 04:19 |
Samus_Aran | ADMIN: Fetching site data for foo.com.conf | 04:20 |
+Radix-wrk | these are just a couple of the wobjects available | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site foo.com.conf at http://foo.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | that's all I get | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | then it resumes what looks like normal working | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | no more errors | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | (using --debug --run) | 04:20 |
Samus_Aran | should spectre be started before or after Apache ? | 04:21 |
Samus_Aran | I forget | 04:21 |
+Radix-wrk | after | 04:21 |
Samus_Aran | that's what I thought, and what I did. I guess I'll go dig around in the log files to see if there's anything more helpful | 04:21 |
@apeiron | Samus_Aran, If you're using the WRE, try the 'all' target. | 04:22 |
@apeiron | e.g. /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart all | 04:22 |
+Radix-wrk | check the dns resolution for foo.com | 04:22 |
Samus_Aran | apeiron: manual install via the guide, on an Ubuntu system | 04:22 |
+Radix-wrk | Also check that the foo.com.conf has specified the right ip block for the spectre | 04:23 |
Samus_Aran | Radix-wrk: I can get to the site and do all the admin stuff without any apparent issues, except a single lock on the home page item that I need to apply a theme to the whole site | 04:23 |
Samus_Aran | I can apply versions fine | 04:23 |
Samus_Aran | I mean commit | 04:23 |
+Radix-wrk | hmm.. | 04:23 |
+Radix-wrk | so you can commit other things and they go through? | 04:24 |
+Radix-wrk | might just be a stuck workflow then | 04:24 |
Samus_Aran | I had issues with spectre before, but those were stopping everything | 04:24 |
+Radix-wrk | go to workflows and run it manually perhaps | 04:24 |
DX^ | Can someone show me a web site using the collaboration system | 04:25 |
Samus_Aran | I tried going to the URL the --debug gave me, and it eventually pops up a download window, but after a long time | 04:25 |
Samus_Aran | perhaps the timeout is set too low | 04:25 |
Samus_Aran | but I don't know why it would take a long time, the server is pretty fast | 04:25 |
Samus_Aran | it says file type is text/json | 04:25 |
+Radix-wrk | DX^: the collaboration system is incredibly flexible.. you can template it to do anything really. forums, photo galleries, flash video galleries, etc | 04:25 |
Samus_Aran | pops up after about 60-90 seconds | 04:25 |
+Radix-wrk | DX^: The collaboration system is probably the most flexible object in webgui imho - and any example we showed you would have the limitations imposed by the template used really. | 04:27 |
+Radix-wrk | I have a flash video template I use for flash movies on our website - http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos | 04:28 |
Samus_Aran | clicking on "Show running workflows" is lagging as well, though it isn't appearing even after 2+ minutes | 04:28 |
DX^ | So I can let people add stuff to this? | 04:29 |
DX^ | this seems way too complicated | 04:29 |
DX^ | I don't want to roll my own, hah | 04:29 |
+Radix-wrk | it's not particularly complicated if you use an existing template | 04:30 |
Samus_Aran | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm line 19. | 04:30 |
Samus_Aran | line 19 is "use Template;" | 04:31 |
@apeiron | Samus_Aran, There'll probably be something before that line which explains the error. | 04:31 |
@apeiron | e.g., "Can't find Template.pm in @INC [...]" | 04:31 |
Samus_Aran | Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC | 04:32 |
@apeiron | uh huh. | 04:32 |
@apeiron | Samus_Aran, This site worked before? | 04:32 |
Samus_Aran | yes, was working fine the past several weeks | 04:32 |
@apeiron | Looks like your environment isn't set up properly. Using the same perl and such? | 04:33 |
Samus_Aran | same GNU Screen session with same environment variables | 04:33 |
Samus_Aran | Apache was updated by Ubuntu somewhere along the line I think | 04:33 |
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@apeiron | hm. If Apache was updated, did it replace the config? | 04:34 |
@apeiron | What about modperl? | 04:34 |
Samus_Aran | @INC conta | 04:34 |
Samus_Aran | ins: /var/www/WebGUI/lib | 04:34 |
Samus_Aran | I can't remember if mod_perl was updated. I run an update every day or two on the server | 04:34 |
Samus_Aran | the directory contains only WebGUI.pm. does the Perl @INC also read sub-directories ? | 04:35 |
@apeiron | If the package name is appropriate. | 04:35 |
@apeiron | e.g. if you want WebGUI::Session it'll look in /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI for Session.pm | 04:36 |
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Samus_Aran | there are five Template .pm files in the sub directories | 04:36 |
Samus_Aran | /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm | 04:37 |
@apeiron | Yes, they're all below /var/www/WebGUI/lib yes? | 04:37 |
@apeiron | That means that they're all WebGUI:: packages. | 04:37 |
Samus_Aran | oh wait, that was the package that tried to load Template.pm | 04:37 |
@apeiron | Yes. | 04:37 |
@apeiron | Template.pm is a separate, non-WebGUI module. | 04:37 |
Samus_Aran | Oh, I see. confused me with so many Template.pm files in the WebGUI dir. I will confirm it is installed and up-to-date and all that | 04:38 |
@apeiron | It has to be, if you've been running WebGUI before. | 04:38 |
@apeiron | The fact that it's suddenly missing makes me think that either it was uninstalled by one of those updates of yours or some environment variable got broken somehow. | 04:39 |
Samus_Aran | I will search the hard drive for Template.pm to see where it is | 04:40 |
Samus_Aran | I ran the perl script to check the environment, and it only checks for HTML::Template: | 04:41 |
Samus_Aran | is that the Template.pm ? | 04:41 |
Samus_Aran | and it was installed according to the script | 04:41 |
@apeiron | That's a different module. | 04:42 |
Samus_Aran | testEnvironment.pl doesn't check for anything else with Template in it | 04:42 |
Samus_Aran | installing Template Toolkit Version 2.19 manually | 04:43 |
Samus_Aran | cpan install Template | 04:43 |
@apeiron | Don't do that, you'll pull in junoscript. | 04:43 |
@apeiron | (bit of a bug in the cpan command utility) | 04:44 |
@apeiron | just run: cpan Template | 04:44 |
@apeiron | Better, why not use a vendor package? | 04:44 |
Samus_Aran | you mean apt-get install somethingorother ? | 04:45 |
@apeiron | Yes. | 04:45 |
Samus_Aran | I followed the instructions originally from the site, perhaps Ubuntu updated the module and broke things | 04:46 |
Samus_Aran | it's installing them now | 04:47 |
* Samus_Aran crosses fingers | 04:47 |
* Samus_Aran goes to microwave a burrito... | 04:47 |
Samus_Aran | different error now: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC | 04:56 |
Samus_Aran | strange that all the modules were fine before, now they're all bungled up | 04:57 |
@apeiron | Could be that one of your upgrades broke things. | 04:57 |
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Samus_Aran | no more errors in the Apache log, but Spectre still gets: Response: 500 read timeout | 05:02 |
Samus_Aran | will check webgui log | 05:02 |
Samus_Aran | not completely sure what this means from the debug output of Spectre: | 05:03 |
Samus_Aran | WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now. | 05:03 |
Samus_Aran | WORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances. | 05:03 |
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Samus_Aran | does that mean Spectre isn't running, or just that there are no workflows ? | 05:03 |
@apeiron | If spectre's not running, there can't be any workflows queued. | 05:04 |
@apeiron | Are you sure spectre's running? | 05:05 |
Samus_Aran | I am watching it in debug mode, yes | 05:07 |
Samus_Aran | okay, the webgui log explains the error as: | 05:07 |
Samus_Aran | Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 72. | 05:08 |
Samus_Aran | which is: next unless $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled"); | 05:08 |
@apeiron | So $instance->getWorkflow is returning undef. | 05:09 |
Samus_Aran | maybe I should just update to .25 | 05:09 |
Samus_Aran | *35 | 05:09 |
* Samus_Aran notices the topic says .32 | 05:09 |
Samus_Aran | the testEnvironment told me .35 was available | 05:09 |
-!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | 05:09 |
@apeiron | no it doesn't | 05:09 |
@apeiron | <.< | 05:10 |
Samus_Aran | hehe | 05:10 |
Samus_Aran | my mistake | 05:10 |
@apeiron | No worries, easy mistake to make. | 05:10 |
Samus_Aran | oh great, now I'm 9 versions behind :p | 05:10 |
Samus_Aran | will try the update and hopefully this gremlin will take a hike | 05:11 |
@apeiron | Honestly, first thing I'd try is simply restarting the whole shebang. May not help but I dunno. | 05:11 |
Samus_Aran | the kernel has probably been updated along the line, though that doesn't usually affect things | 05:12 |
Samus_Aran | except when the old kernel modules are removed | 05:12 |
Samus_Aran | it has only been on for 14 days.. the Ubuntu is stupidly running in a VMware Player virtual machine on Windows 2003 | 05:13 |
Samus_Aran | had to do a Windows Update | 05:13 |
Samus_Aran | I've been given the go ahead to scrap Win2K3 and put Ubuntu straight on the server, but haven't had any time | 05:14 |
@apeiron | If you're going that route, maybe you should try the WRE? | 05:14 |
Samus_Aran | there are lots of other web sites and databases running | 05:14 |
@apeiron | On the Ubuntu VM? | 05:15 |
Samus_Aran | plus I like security updates to be quick and easy | 05:15 |
Samus_Aran | yes | 05:15 |
@apeiron | ah. | 05:15 |
Samus_Aran | it's quite silly, nothing on Win2K3 is even being used. the previous tech just sort of patched anything together | 05:15 |
Samus_Aran | the network was a complete mess, too | 05:15 |
@apeiron | You could set up Apache's mod_proxy to proxy to the other sites or host them outright, and set up the DB to be shared. | 05:15 |
Samus_Aran | nothing labelled | 05:16 |
Samus_Aran | once it isn't in the VM, it will help, as all the RAM will go to the VM. right now it is limiting it to half | 05:16 |
Samus_Aran | oh, I checked, only 1/4 | 05:16 |
Samus_Aran | 512MB instead of 2GB | 05:16 |
@apeiron | Hello, swap city! | 05:16 |
Samus_Aran | it's also a rack mount server.... sitting on a wooden shelf | 05:17 |
@apeiron | wood? heh | 05:17 |
Samus_Aran | they didn't even want to buy a locking metal cabinet with air vents | 05:17 |
Samus_Aran | anyway, thank you for your help | 05:18 |
Samus_Aran | I will get back to you after I've done the update if the gremlin lives on | 05:18 |
@apeiron | no worries, hope things go well for you. | 05:18 |
@apeiron | I might be in bed by that time, heh | 05:18 |
Samus_Aran | it will be another day, my brain has melted and it's time for me to go home | 05:18 |
@apeiron | night night, then. | 05:18 |
Samus_Aran | goodnight. *wanders off in the direction of home* | 05:18 |
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Samus_Aran | be back tomorrow =) | 07:29 |
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patspam | hi guys, just wondering what the status of Survey 2.0 is? couldn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta | 09:09 |
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ckotil | If i have a group that can read and edit an asset can i limit access to edit by leaving a user out of the turn admin on group? | 16:32 |
BartJol | I don't think so... | 16:34 |
BartJol | the canEdit boolean will be true | 16:34 |
ckotil | bc if a user cant utrn on admin mode, how will they ever edit an asset? | 16:34 |
BartJol | trying it | 16:36 |
ckotil | cool, thanks. | 16:36 |
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BartJol | ah, indeed | 16:37 |
ckotil | works? | 16:37 |
ckotil | nice. this will make my group structure much simpler and easier to manage | 16:37 |
BartJol | they can't directly | 16:37 |
BartJol | testing wehether they can do it by a fuvction in the url | 16:38 |
ckotil | ya i was thinking that. | 16:38 |
ckotil | ?func=edit | 16:38 |
BartJol | ah, they can edit, but don't see the edit button | 16:39 |
ckotil | ok | 16:39 |
ckotil | thats very good to know. thank you BartJol | 16:39 |
BartJol | well it's a free day | 16:41 |
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BartJol | and it's good for me to know to | 16:41 |
BartJol | ckotil it's the <tmpl_if showAdmin> variable | 16:48 |
ckotil | gotcha. | 16:48 |
BartJol | fror pages | 16:48 |
BartJol | and | 16:49 |
BartJol | <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn for other assets | 16:49 |
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BartJol | morning | 16:56 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 17:02 |
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@rizen | I'm thinking that we have to many people from Holland coming to the WUC. | 17:18 |
BartJol | why? | 17:18 |
@rizen | And maybe we, as Americans, should stage an uprising and not let them into our country. | 17:18 |
@rizen | They may invade and try to take us over. | 17:18 |
@rizen | =) | 17:18 |
dionak | and make us drink massive amounts of beer? | 17:19 |
BartJol | so you finally discovered our plans | 17:19 |
dionak | sounds scary | 17:19 |
@rizen | exactly dionak | 17:19 |
@rizen | We still love you Bart | 17:20 |
@rizen | =) | 17:20 |
BartJol | well than you just have to feed us beer, and pretend that you're drinking too | 17:20 |
dionak | lol | 17:20 |
BartJol | thanks | 17:20 |
BartJol | today it's national hangover day here | 17:21 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6288 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 17:29 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: - rfe: subscribe entire user group to a collaboration message board | 17:29 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: - Added show in forms and is editable properties to group manager. | 17:29 |
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knowmad | And all's quiet.... | 17:50 |
tavisto | yes it is. heh | 17:50 |
knowmad | Time for a question! | 17:50 |
tavisto | I have a question for whoever wants it. | 17:50 |
knowmad | Shoot | 17:50 |
BartJol | only thing that happened that JT was expression his fears for dutch people | 17:51 |
BartJol | but go ahead with the question | 17:51 |
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tavisto | hah, okay. Has anyone tried using the permissions tab on the settings screen? I created a new user group called "reports" and set the Transactions permissions to that group. However, I tried accessing transactions with a user in that group and it says I dont have the permissions | 17:52 |
tavisto | I tried to do it directly through the ?op=listTransactions and it comes back with the permissions error | 17:53 |
BartJol | so that's the commerce system? | 17:53 |
aknowmad | i haven't tried it | 17:53 |
tavisto | yeah that's the transactions in WebGUI's commerce system | 17:54 |
tavisto | but from what I can tell those permissions aren't working | 17:54 |
aknowmad | 7.5 or 7.4? | 17:55 |
BartJol | maybe those people should also be in the turn admin on group | 17:55 |
tavisto | this is latest beta | 17:55 |
tavisto | yeah I'm just afraid they would mess stuff up :) | 17:55 |
@preaction | they should only have to be in the correct group | 17:56 |
@preaction | shouldn't also have to be in Turn Admin On | 17:56 |
tavisto | yeah, that's what I thought.. I thought you could basically setup ANY regular user group to be able to do those specific functions | 17:56 |
aknowmad | I've got an SQL question -- what comes back from an unconditional_read request? api docs say it's a result set statement handle. how do I use that to get at the data returned from a SELECT query? | 17:57 |
BartJol | so your statement is SELECT * from table;? | 17:58 |
BartJol | oh sorry, misunderstood | 18:02 |
BartJol | that's a bit too deep for me | 18:08 |
@preaction | aknowmad, see WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet. something as simple as while ( my $row = $sth->hash ) { ... } | 18:12 |
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aknowmad | are you referring to api docs or the code? | 18:13 |
aknowmad | is it a true DBI sth? can I call methods like fetchall_hashref with it? | 18:14 |
@preaction | not that i know of | 18:15 |
@preaction | but check the API docs | 18:15 |
aknowmad | ok, i don't see that method in there so assume it's not availabe | 18:16 |
@preaction | i don't think it's a subclass, but... if you wanted fetchall_arrayref why are you using $db->read instead of $db->buildArrayRefOfHashRefs | 18:16 |
aknowmad | i guess it's not a DBI sth | 18:16 |
aknowmad | ahh, because i didn't know that method was available.... I'm still learning the ins and outs of wG's db workings | 18:17 |
aknowmad | which brings up another question--when do you recommend using read vs. unconditional_red? | 18:17 |
aknowmad | s/red/read/ | 18:17 |
aknowmad | also, are these methods essentially helpers that perform prepare and execute in one fell swoop? | 18:20 |
@preaction | unconditional read is, if i'm not mistaken, "don't error if the statement fails" | 18:20 |
aknowmad | yes, that's what the docs tell me | 18:21 |
aknowmad | but i'm wondering what the use case is for this method | 18:21 |
@preaction | yes, they're essentially helpers that call prepare, execute, and fetch all at once | 18:21 |
@preaction | when you don't want an error in the read to kill the rest of the process? i dunno, i've never used it | 18:21 |
aknowmad | that's what i was wondering | 18:21 |
aknowmad | my thinking is it's not something to use lightly | 18:22 |
aknowmad | unconditional_read, that is | 18:22 |
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aknowmad | ok, thanks for the insights preaction | 18:23 |
aknowmad | morning perlDreamer | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | morning aknowmad | 18:23 |
+perlDreamer | are you _the_ knowmad, or just _a_knowmad? | 18:24 |
aknowmad | i'm THE knowmad; had some problems with my client reserving just 'knowmad' nick | 18:24 |
aknowmad | might be b/c i'm laid up in bed sick :( | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | not a good day | 18:24 |
aknowmad | better than yesterday when i had a 102F fever! | 18:24 |
+perlDreamer | I recommend lots of hot drinks and SciFi reruns | 18:25 |
aknowmad | yeah, i've done the teas; i've got a bit of code to write then will be cranking up some Battlestar Galactica reruns | 18:25 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with delete Thing permissions | 18:36 |
@apeiron | gack, coding while sick is a Bad Idea. | 18:37 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it's better to write tests | 18:37 |
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citronized | hi :) | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | Hi | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | do you have some WebGUI questions, citronized? | 23:33 |
citronized | I'm wondering if I can install WebGUI and still use MAMP (Apache+MySQL) for other local sites ? | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:36 |
citronized | do I have to download the source or the WRE ? | 23:36 |
citronized | I don't want to mess my present configuration :-/ | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | it is easiest to use the WRE, since it's all optimized to work well together | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | and there's nothing stopping you from running other sites on the WRE as static sites | 23:37 |
citronized | ok, but I'll need to rename some conf files, is that right ? | 23:38 |
+perlDreamer | perhaps, it depends on what you're trying to do | 23:38 |
citronized | just trying to try WebGUI :D | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | have you tried a demo site yet? | 23:39 |
citronized | yup | 23:39 |
citronized | seem to be weel feet to my project :) | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | good | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI tries to meet all sorts of needs | 23:40 |
citronized | looks like, yup | 23:40 |
citronized | basically, I need a pool function (perhaps I need to custom it) and an access to a dedicated MySQL DB | 23:41 |
citronized | and a good user dashboard configuration :) | 23:42 |
citronized | my project is a free library, so I need to be able to write records, etc. | 23:42 |
citronized | mange groups | 23:43 |
citronized | manage | 23:43 |
citronized | I believe WebGUI is able to meet my needs, isn't it ? | 23:44 |
+perlDreamer | not sure what a "pool function" is, but WebGUI has very fine grained group and user privileges and a dashboard. | 23:44 |
citronized | well, I've seen in the demo that polls are limited to 20 answers (excuse my english for the pool :) ) and I might need more answers per question ;) | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | ah, not a problem about the english. | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | There is a new poll function coming out at the end of May | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: ping. You awake/around? | 23:48 |
citronized | good news :) | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2 would know how the new poll works, since he wrote it :) | 23:48 |
citronized | good | 23:48 |
citronized | I don't think my needs are that complex :) | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | have you seen the i18n.webgui.org site, for translating WebGUI into other languages? | 23:49 |
citronized | nope | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | You can download and install a French language pack | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | it's about 38% translated | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | or, if you wish, you can actually use that website to contribute back to the project by translating things that aren't done yet | 23:50 |
citronized | wow, cool way to share, i think :) | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | Yeah. Since I mainly speak english, I try to write tests and help people out in the forums and here on IRC. | 23:51 |
citronized | perhaps i can help them in spanish too :) | 23:51 |
+perlDreamer | that would be cool | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | there's been a group from Colombia working on the Spanish translation for a while | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | they've done a huge amount of work | 23:52 |
citronized | great | 23:52 |
citronized | I still haven't read anything about hosting, is there particular server settings needed ? | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | that's how to do a source install | 23:54 |
citronized | cool :) | 23:55 |
+perlDreamer | the wiki has a ton of info on using and installing WebGUI | 23:56 |
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citronized | mmmh... the source install seems a bit tricky for me :o | 23:57 |
+perlDreamer | well, you can use the WRE, but you'd need to move your other configs over to its apache | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | it might be better to use a different server than your main one for initial tinkering | 23:59 |
citronized | well, my "server" is my iMac :) | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | that's actually good, since the main WebGUI devs all use Macs | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | it will mean fewer hiccups | 00:00 |
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citronized | what are hiccups ? | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | with respect to computers, problems or glitches | 00:01 |
citronized | ok, aka bugs ? :) | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | with respect to people, it's when the diaphragm muscle contracts quickly | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:02 |
citronized | right, i get it ;) | 00:02 |
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citronized | to host webgui do I need more then apache, MySQL and PHP ? | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | no PHP, perl | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | perl and mod_perl | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | and yes, you do | 00:05 |
citronized | oh, ok | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | ImageMagick | 00:05 |
citronized | ok | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | a ton of perl modules | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | it should all be there in the wiki page | 00:06 |
citronized | so an Unix server i guess ? | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | no, it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux/Unix | 00:06 |
citronized | ok | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | well, Macs nowadays are really BSD/Unix based | 00:06 |
citronized | i'm gonna look deeper in the wiki then ;) | 00:07 |
citronized | sure they are | 00:07 |
citronized | my present personal website use Joomla, but it seems that webgui is even more intuitive :) | 00:08 |
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citronized | I'm wondering about the client side code, are the webgui site W3C compliant ? | 00:11 |
@preaction | yes. it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict with a text/html doctype | 00:11 |
citronized | that's a really good news :) | 00:12 |
+perlDreamer | citronized: you said this is for a library? | 00:13 |
citronized | kind of, yup | 00:13 |
citronized | about mini cars :) | 00:13 |
citronized | die-cast and stuff :) | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | sounds fun | 00:14 |
citronized | I allready have some 16.000 refs for my DB | 00:14 |
citronized | but i want it collaborative | 00:14 |
citronized | i want people to share, build a kind of qualitative library :) | 00:15 |
citronized | with some control on what people post and share | 00:16 |
citronized | dunno if it's hard to make a form to write records in an separate DB ? | 00:17 |
+perlDreamer | for that, either use the SQL Form or the new Thingy that is coming out (end of May) | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | for simple reporting, use the SQL Report | 00:21 |
citronized | ok | 00:26 |
citronized | seems easy :) | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | for the most part it is. | 00:28 |
citronized | i guess it can be more tricky to control the data | 00:28 |
citronized | or stuff like that :) | 00:29 |
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citronized | are those perl module enough to install webgui ? (i may host my site there :) ) | 00:49 |
citronized | http://start.ovh.net/infos/perl.cgi | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | will this hoster give you command line access to your site? | 00:51 |
citronized | dunno :-/ | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | you have to have command line access to install WebGUI on another hoster | 00:51 |
citronized | mmh | 00:51 |
citronized | ok | 00:52 |
+perlDreamer | in order to start up spectre and edit the config files | 00:52 |
citronized | right, i've seen that in the installation guide, but i haven't though that the hoster would need it :o | 00:53 |
citronized | maybe I should start building a local server, but will I be able to migrate it to another host, later ? | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | yes, as long as you have command line access | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | or, you could use a WebGUI hoster, like Plain Black or Procolix | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | Plain Black does a lot of hosting here in the US, and Procolix is a Dutch company | 00:55 |
citronized | can they host french sites ? | 00:57 |
citronized | i guess not | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | sure, I don't see why not | 00:57 |
citronized | dunno, sometimes, internet isn't that virtual :) | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | true | 00:57 |
citronized | does plain black allows upgrades ? I mean if my site become serious, will I be able to upgrade datastorage and stuff ? | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:59 |
citronized | cool :) | 01:00 |
citronized | i should take a look to plain black offers, then :) | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:01 |
citronized | what is the best beginners hosting ? :) | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | unsupported, basic hosting is $20/month | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/unsupported-site-hosting | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | hosting with support is $50/month | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/supported-virtual-hosting | 01:04 |
@rizen | a lot of people start out with the $50/mo package and then downgrade to the $20 once they're comfortable | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | not speaking Dutch, I can't tell you how the comparable rates are for Procolix | 01:04 |
citronized | not speakin dutch either :) | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: will Thingy require an extra db like the SQL Form? | 01:05 |
@rizen | no | 01:05 |
@rizen | if you email koen@procolix.nl he will speak English with you | 01:06 |
citronized | ok, ty rizen ;) | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | need to reboot, be back in a bit | 01:09 |
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citronized | seems that plain black is slightly cheaper, and provide more :) | 01:17 |
citronized | ok guys, thank for your help, it's a bit late here, I need some sleep :) | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | good night | 01:19 |
citronized | hope i'll see you around ;) | 01:19 |
citronized | bye | 01:20 |
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+perlDreamer | hopefully we helped another new WebGUI user today :) | 01:21 |
@rizen | perlDreamer rulez | 01:30 |
@rizen | if i had to do my PBWG interview over again, on the "What is WebGUI's killer feature?" question, I'd answer: perlDreamer | 01:31 |
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+perlDreamer | thanks, dude | 01:44 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6290 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:06 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Handle null productNumbers in the Product variant translation. | 02:06 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Update the product loading script to add more products. | 02:06 |
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snapcount | yes it finally works! | 03:41 |
snapcount | I wrote a POE daemon with IKC that wraps a POE IRC bot | 03:42 |
snapcount | so I can send messages to chat channels from other perl scripts with like three lines of code | 03:42 |
snapcount | I wanted to use the CIA thing but our repos is not public | 03:43 |
snapcount | and installing it on your own server was... well a bit messy | 03:43 |
snapcount | if anyone is interested I'll give you the code... it's very very simple | 03:44 |
snapcount | but works nicely | 03:44 |
snapcount | anyways... gotta head home... bbl | 03:44 |
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patspam | can anyone give me a heads-up on the current state of play with Survey 2.0? I didn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta? | 05:22 |
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@preaction | patspam, it will hopefully be in 7.5.11. the author says his deadline for his sponsors is this week | 05:51 |
@preaction | patspam, if you want to try it, there's a Survey 2.0 branch in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch | 05:51 |
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patspam | ah fantastic, thanks preaction | 06:10 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: art thou awake? | 06:54 |
+perlDreamer | I need some help designing the variant table to work with collateral | 07:29 |
+perlDreamer | It's probably easier than I'm making it | 07:29 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll catch you tomorrow | 07:29 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6291 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: new variant table schema | 08:02 |
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BartJol | morning | 10:31 |
BartJol | awfully quiet here | 11:45 |
BartJol | well let me state a question then | 11:45 |
BartJol | I try to turn on my awstats | 11:45 |
BartJol | [Fri May 02 10:31:14 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /data/wre/prereqs/wwwroot/awstats.pl | 11:46 |
BartJol | this error comes up | 11:46 |
BartJol | I tried to add ExecCGI to alle the necessary options | 11:46 |
BartJol | but no result and my modproxy want restart because of it | 11:47 |
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BartJol | hee knowmad, already figured out the unconditionalRead stuff? | 15:17 |
ckotil | Is there a way to prevent a subset of assets from getting indexed by search? | 15:22 |
ckotil | users want a 'staging area' on the production sites. bleh | 15:23 |
+MrHairgrease | well, you could limit the scope of the search assets | 15:23 |
+MrHairgrease | you can select the brach it searches trhough | 15:23 |
+MrHairgrease | or you could set the privs of the assets toi something visitors don't see | 15:24 |
ckotil | yah, that could work. but i have a global search that searches from root on down. perhaps i can tweak that a little. | 15:24 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 15:24 |
ckotil | yah, that could work. ill try it out. thanks MrHairgrease | 15:24 |
+MrHairgrease | you prolly don't want that anyway since that also include all the stuff in the import node | 15:24 |
knowmad | hi BartJol; yes, i got the answer i was needing | 15:25 |
ckotil | your right :) | 15:25 |
+MrHairgrease | no problemo | 15:25 |
ckotil | noones complained about that tho. im waiting to hear somehting like 'what are all these templates doing in search?' | 15:25 |
BartJol | good to hear | 15:25 |
knowmad | yeah, and the code I wrote appears to be working! | 15:25 |
BartJol | congrats | 15:26 |
knowmad | yeah, we have a team of 20 working round the clock on a queue; had some record locking problems that was causing multiple users to get the same record from the queue which is bad in many ways | 15:26 |
BartJol | doesn't sound good, and 20 people?! whoah | 15:28 |
knowmad | yeah, there's lots of potential for race conditions | 15:28 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:58 |
+MrHairgrease | Greasings | 15:59 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: martin * r6292 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a bug that prevented updating the cart | 16:36 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen, are you awake? | 16:36 |
@rizen | yeah | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | I cannot set a shipping address | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | no errors | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | so i strated digging | 16:42 |
@rizen | it's because i programmed that in there to prevent you from doing it | 16:42 |
+MrHairgrease | in the end i added an eval in the address book content handler | 16:43 |
+MrHairgrease | and then it gave me a 'cannot call method session on an undefined value in line 433' | 16:43 |
+MrHairgrease | that is in Shop::AddressBook->www_view | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | oh crap | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | found it i think | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | let me try | 16:44 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah that seems to do it | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | the problem was this: | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $sub->() } | 16:46 |
+MrHairgrease | i changed that to | 16:47 |
+MrHairgrease | if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $cart->$method() } | 16:47 |
+MrHairgrease | why is that construction used anyway? | 16:48 |
@rizen | oh | 16:50 |
@rizen | that was something i was trying out, and forgot to put back | 16:50 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:50 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll turn it into the working state then | 16:50 |
@rizen | graham said it would work, but it didn't | 16:50 |
@rizen | sorry about that | 16:50 |
+MrHairgrease | nm, chasing weird bugs keeps me off the streets | 16:51 |
+MrHairgrease | question about the subscriptions | 16:51 |
+MrHairgrease | should I implement the subscription code thing on a per supscription basis | 16:51 |
+MrHairgrease | taht is, put it in the subscription asset | 16:51 |
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@rizen | yes please | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 16:52 |
@rizen | and we'll remove the "redeem subscription" link from the profile links | 16:52 |
@rizen | which nobody could ever find anyway | 16:52 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah, and move that into the asset of course | 16:52 |
@rizen | exactly | 16:52 |
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ckotil | wow, im performing a ginourmous cut/paste. its taking a whle, i hope it doesnt time out. | 16:57 |
ckotil | thankfully, on a test instance. | 16:57 |
ckotil | :x thought it was , anyway. | 17:03 |
ckotil | worked out. | 17:03 |
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+MrHairgrease | yay, the basic subscription stuff works | 17:21 |
+MrHairgrease | proceeding with the codes | 17:21 |
BartJol | oh rizen maybe this is a nice wuc theme "By God, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen!" (Samuel Pepys, English marine officer) | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | Bart, I'm not sure whether that is a Good Thing... | 17:24 |
BartJol | oh? | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | but it's true anyway =) | 17:25 |
BartJol | well, from JT's point of biew it is | 17:25 |
BartJol | and it's historical reoccurring it seems | 17:25 |
BartJol | the feeling, that is | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | hm, I have not a specific feeling about shitting devils | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | biertje? | 17:27 |
BartJol | nou | 17:27 |
BartJol | lijkt me wel wat | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | als jij ze nou even pakt, dan krijg je em van oqapi | 17:27 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: martin * r6293 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Shop.pm: Reverted a problem which caused the address book content handler to fail | 17:42 |
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ckotil | anyone have a file import script that also handles directories? turning them into folder assets? fileImport.pl doesnt seem to do that. | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | That's been on my todo list for a long time | 18:02 |
+MrHairgrease | but I never have found the tim eto do it | 18:03 |
ckotil | this siteimport.pl might do it actually. but its a pain to use. | 18:03 |
+MrHairgrease | It shouldn't be to difficult though | 18:03 |
ckotil | heh, im not a very good programmer. | 18:03 |
dionak | topsub created a modified version of fileImport.pl to create folders recently. | 18:06 |
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dionak | basically, the method checked to see if the folder already existed. if not, addChild is called with the className WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder to create it | 18:10 |
+MrHairgrease | rizen: looking at the original code it seems that it was possible to tie multiple subscriptions to a subscription code | 18:13 |
+MrHairgrease | however the form element seems to have allowed only one | 18:13 |
+MrHairgrease | is it okay to have a one-to-one subscription<->code relation? | 18:14 |
@rizen | yup | 18:14 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 18:14 |
ckotil | dionak: is the modified script posted in contributions? | 18:16 |
dionak | no, it's not. it's not generalized... | 18:17 |
dionak | but the basic idea is there | 18:17 |
ckotil | ok | 18:17 |
dionak | has anyone done subscriptions in 7.4.29? I've been asked to do this. I know you guys are working on it for 7.5.x | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah they exist in 7.4 too | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | that is the old commerce system | 18:18 |
dionak | ok, let me dig around a bit... | 18:18 |
+MrHairgrease | there in the admin console | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | gotta gop | 18:19 |
+MrHairgrease | later | 18:19 |
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dionak | i just setup some subscriptions but when i try to subscribe, the site reports 'Shipping is not possible because no shipping plugins are enabled'. why would i need shipping for subscriptions? | 18:47 |
dionak | or is this what you guys are addressing? | 18:47 |
dionak | btw, i got the info from the administrator's guide. very helpful | 18:48 |
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@rizen | shipping determines tax rate | 19:02 |
@rizen | whether you ship something or not | 19:02 |
dionak | but how does that tie to subscriptions? there's no option in relation to a subscription for shipping. | 19:11 |
dionak | i see that for product | 19:11 |
dionak | oh, wait.. | 19:12 |
dionak | i see. i just enabled shipping in the commerce admin console | 19:13 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: do you have time to talk about the product variant table? | 19:19 |
@rizen | i will in a few, i'll let you know | 19:20 |
@rizen | you can start typing your questions if you want | 19:20 |
+perlDreamer | I'll start with the background | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | table definition at docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl, line 595 | 19:21 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking that variants should be more Product collateral, so that their display order can be rearranged by the user | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | I wanted to use the variant sku as the primary key | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | however, the collateral code won't let me use arbitrary keys as collateral indexes | 19:22 |
+perlDreamer | it really wants to use GUIDs | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | similarly, it prefers to use assetId to identify parentage, but I was planning on using mastersku (sku of parent asset) | 19:23 |
+perlDreamer | that's all to support inventory sync'ing | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | so then I built a table schema that has variant sku, mastersku, assetId and variantId | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | and it seems like wasted space | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | I'm worrying too much about something in there, but I can't figure out what | 19:24 |
+perlDreamer | I'm curious how you'd do this, but more importantly, why you would make the decisions you'd make to arrive at a solution | 19:25 |
@rizen | first, don't store mastersku with the variant | 19:25 |
@rizen | mastersku is changable by the user | 19:25 |
@rizen | so the relationship has to be maintained by assetId | 19:26 |
@rizen | and also, sku is changable by user, therefore using a variantid guid is still a good idea, and therefore collateral still works | 19:26 |
@rizen | you should never use something changable by a user a as a primary key | 19:27 |
@rizen | so how i would do it is to have a table that looks like: | 19:27 |
@rizen | create table Product_variant ( variantId varchar(22) binary not null primary key, assetId varchar(22) binary not null, sku varchar(35) binary not null, ........, sequenceNumber int not null default 1, index assetId_sequenceNumber (assetId, sequenceNumber)) | 19:29 |
@rizen | OR | 19:29 |
@rizen | even better would be to move all the collateral tables of product into json blob fields as mediumtext into the product, so that the product could be deployed as a package or a prototype | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | from what I've seen, packages can be deployed with collateral | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | and I've already gone down the path of JSON madness, and it was no fun | 19:31 |
@rizen | packages can be | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | but not prototypes | 19:31 |
@rizen | but you still lose out on versioning and prototypes | 19:31 |
+perlDreamer | true | 19:32 |
@rizen | the json stuff isn't necessary if you don't want to do it...i just think it would be better | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | in either case, still need to work out the schema | 19:32 |
@rizen | the schema for what? | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | if you grab the 2008-04 log from mentalhouse and look at line 11509, you'll see that we decided that we needed master sku in the variant for inventory sync'ing | 19:33 |
@rizen | i just gave you the schema for variant | 19:33 |
@rizen | no we didn't | 19:33 |
@rizen | we need a master sku | 19:33 |
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@rizen | we DON'T need it in the variant | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | ah | 19:34 |
@rizen | we have it in the product | 19:34 |
@rizen | the product inherits sku from WebGUI::Asset::Sku | 19:34 |
@rizen | so we have our master sku right there | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 19:34 |
@rizen | and varients have assetId | 19:34 |
@rizen | so you have the relationship | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I'm straightened out | 19:36 |
@rizen | sweet | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | so my apprenticeship lessons are: | 19:37 |
+perlDreamer | 1) Don't get confused by CSV requirements and table schemas | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | 2) Don't use anything the user can touch as a primary key | 19:38 |
@rizen | correct | 19:39 |
@rizen | oh...and that JSON blobs, while tricky, aren't bad | 19:39 |
@rizen | they give users more features | 19:39 |
@rizen | and per my black blog posting today, they may actually become a requirement for collateral storage | 19:39 |
* perlmonkey2 really needs to get his feedreader working with wG. | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | well, I'll try to get my feet wet then | 19:40 |
@apeiron | hmm, has anyone thought about using http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ for the various admin console / func=edit type features in wG? Basically it allows for word processor-like undo/redo and the like for Webapps. | 19:44 |
@rizen | i've thought about firing you for making suggestions | 19:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: wow | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | I thought you were trying to give him a complex | 19:45 |
@rizen | but then i realized that your a valuable employee | 19:45 |
@rizen | =) | 19:45 |
@apeiron | You know, psychologically abusing people like that can make them lash out. | 19:46 |
@rizen | i'm just trying to get you pumped up for the annual Plain Black golden gloves tournament. You're in my weight class aren't you? | 19:48 |
@rizen | =) | 19:48 |
dionak | i need to get more input on subscriptions. we have a publication site that has several types of subscriptions. for instance, one group has access to 5 publications, another 6. so we made a group for each publication and then subscription groups, like 'Member' and 'Member Plus'. I created subscriptions and assigned them to each group ('Member', 'Member Plus'). | 19:48 |
@rizen | you're right so far dionak | 19:49 |
dionak | What I'd like to see happen is that when a subscription expires, the user is prompted to subscribe again. How can I set this up so a user is prompted to renew the type of subscription they had and test this? | 19:49 |
dionak | btw, i've been updating the wiki as I go along here | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | isn't there a group expire message field in the group? | 19:50 |
dionak | looking... | 19:50 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: graham * r6294 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): removed legacy wgFieldUserData table | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | exipreNotify, expireOffset, expireNotifyMessage | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | not sure if they're exposed through the group interface yet... | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | yes it is | 19:52 |
dionak | so when the subscription expires, the user is expired from the subscription group based on the subscription term or group expiration, or both? | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | I _think_ they're tied together, so both | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | the group is created based on the subscription? | 19:54 |
dionak | and the notify occurs via email.... | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | also the WebGUI Inbox | 19:54 |
dionak | well, the group is associated with the subscription. | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | Workflow/Activity/ExpireGroupings.pm | 19:54 |
dionak | ok | 19:54 |
dionak | so i could use the GroupText macro to test if they are in the group and, if not, i would need to send them back through the commerce piece to choose a subscription. | 19:55 |
dionak | no way to know what group they were in.. | 19:55 |
@rizen | huh | 19:55 |
dionak | i'm thinking of the web interface only here | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | Different macros for different groups | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | well, same macro, different instances checking for different group membership | 19:56 |
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+perlDreamer | The user's group expire date is set by the subscription, see the apply method in WebGUI::Subscription | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | so it will work correctly | 19:56 |
dionak | but they would be expired from a group, correct? | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 19:56 |
dionak | so how would i know what their subscription was? | 19:57 |
dionak | it's not critical but i'm curious | 19:57 |
dionak | i guess i could look it up in one of the subscription tables? | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | you _could_ write a counterpart to the GroupText macro that only displayed text if the user was about to expire | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | it would check the Group's expire notify offset settings and display text appropriately | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | might be a good core addition too, to complement C2 | 19:59 |
dionak | hm, i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be entertaining (and short) to write but i don't think it fits this situation. we altered search.pm to make a public search. if a user doesn't have permission, i want to prompt them to login or expire. i think i can do this via the login template | 20:01 |
+perlDreamer | if you can, it should save you the time of writing and testing the macro, so it sounds like a good call | 20:07 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: graham * r6295 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Importing data can fail with some internal field Ids | 20:18 |
dionak | thanks for the input. i'm going to try that route | 20:21 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6296 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with add_url tmpl_var permissions | 20:40 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: yung * r6297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix: Thingy: edit thing doesn't show any saved properties | 20:40 |
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ckotil | any idea why a 78k pdf would appear to be 3MB in webgui? | 21:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | Is there a trick to gettign modproxy to like new certs and keys? I just copied over my existing ones from apache. | 21:33 |
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ckotil | oh i see. the asset has a brazillion revisions. | 22:03 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6298 /WebGUI/ (t/Cache lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm t/Cache/Database.t): added some database cache tests while testing out a theory, the theory is busted, but at least we have some more tests | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, what was the theory? | 23:32 |
@rizen | it was actually haarg's theory. the idea was that if we cached the prepared statement on database backed cache we'd get a significant performance boost since the query to retrieve cache might be used a hundred times per request | 23:33 |
@rizen | however, if there was a performance gain, it was so small it couldn't be measured by Time::HiRes | 23:34 |
@rizen | it was a great theory | 23:34 |
@rizen | unfortunately it just didn't hold water, which is too bad | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | I've heard of other things like that at OSCON talks | 23:35 |
+perlDreamer | cached queries, memcached being a huge performance gain | 23:35 |
@rizen | how big of a gain could it be if it's so small that it can't be measured by Time::HiRes | 23:38 |
@rizen | =) | 23:38 |
@rizen | the difference is statistically insignificant | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | I believe you | 23:39 |
@rizen | Then again, we are talking about measuring things than are are less than 0.003 seconds | 23:39 |
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charleyhankins | Hi! Anyone here really familiar with Thingy? | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | nope | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | have you checked the forums and the bug list? | 00:21 |
charleyhankins | yeah. I've been working in the forums. | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | are you having problems, or asking for best practices, or something else? | 00:22 |
charleyhankins | I'm using it, but having a couple of issues. wondering if anyone could help me out. | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | I'll give it a shot | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | what's up? | 00:22 |
charleyhankins | thanks. basically i need my thingy search to operate like this: http://goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work | 00:22 |
charleyhankins | but having trouble with the category drop down. | 00:23 |
+perlDreamer | what kind of trouble? | 00:23 |
charleyhankins | I'm here: http://web402.plainblack.net/home/great-place-to-live/chamber-of-commerce/membership | 00:23 |
charleyhankins | as you can see. the drop down pulls directly from the dbase. And when I search using it, it returns no results. | 00:24 |
charleyhankins | I also need it be be alphabetical. | 00:24 |
@rizen | i don't have time to look at it, but if the search isn't working then it very well could be a bug | 00:25 |
@rizen | as far as alphabetical, that would be an RFE | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, I'd say you found a bug | 00:25 |
@rizen | although i think that RFE has already been implemented in 7.5.11 | 00:25 |
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@rizen | which won't be released until after May 31st | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | charleyharkins: you have a paid support contract from Plain Black? | 00:26 |
charleyhankins | problem is, I need this fixed by monday. | 00:26 |
charleyhankins | yeah. | 00:26 |
charleyhankins | but it's slow going. | 00:26 |
@rizen | then post your questions there | 00:26 |
charleyhankins | i have. | 00:26 |
@rizen | you have only basic support, which guarantees a response within 48 hours...so yeah, it will be a bit slow going | 00:27 |
@rizen | and since it's 4:27 on a friday | 00:27 |
@rizen | i guarantee you that any problems you are having with thingy will not be resolved by monday | 00:27 |
charleyhankins | i've been working with this for weeks. | 00:27 |
charleyhankins | right. | 00:27 |
charleyhankins | anyway, thanks for your help. | 00:27 |
@rizen | report the bug | 00:28 |
@rizen | but regarding having problems...i'm sure that this was explained to you when you signed up for the beta server | 00:28 |
@rizen | it is a beta after all.=) | 00:28 |
charleyhankins | sure. let me ask you this question then. Is there another way to accomplish this within WebGUI? http://www.goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work | 00:29 |
@rizen | i have no idea what i'm looking at | 00:30 |
@rizen | looks like a page to me | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | search function with text entry fields and some dropdowns | 00:30 |
charleyhankins | yes. | 00:30 |
@rizen | i see a webgui site | 00:30 |
@rizen | are you guys seeing something else? | 00:30 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:31 |
@rizen | hmmm...my dns must be screwed up | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | I see a search form with text fields and dropdowns for selecting categories | 00:31 |
charleyhankins | i have a db of businesses. they need to be searchable by business name, last name, category. The category needs to be drop down box. | 00:31 |
@rizen | have you chosen "Select Box" as your field type in Thingy? | 00:32 |
@rizen | for category | 00:32 |
charleyhankins | yes. and it is when editing the field, but the search box is always a text box. | 00:32 |
@rizen | if you have, then it will be a dropdown in the search | 00:32 |
@rizen | oh | 00:32 |
charleyhankins | no, it's not. | 00:32 |
@rizen | if it's not display a dropdown in search then that's a bug | 00:33 |
@rizen | the search should display the same field type as the edit form | 00:33 |
charleyhankins | can i create a seperate dropdown search for that particular field in the search template? | 00:33 |
@rizen | i don't know i haven't looked into the templates that much | 00:33 |
charleyhankins | how would I code that in particular? | 00:33 |
@rizen | one thing you could do is create another Thing in that Thingy called "Category" | 00:34 |
@rizen | and populate it with your list of categories | 00:34 |
@rizen | then that would drop down a list in the search | 00:34 |
charleyhankins | that's what I have. and it populates with categories, but does not return results. | 00:34 |
@rizen | then that's a bug and you should report it | 00:34 |
@rizen | and as far as fixing it by Monday you're screwed | 00:35 |
charleyhankins | ha! ok. thanks. | 00:35 |
@rizen | the only other advice i have would be to try to create a category using the Radio List field type | 00:35 |
@rizen | maybe that would display as a radio list in the search results | 00:35 |
@rizen | which is ugly | 00:35 |
@rizen | but at least it would work | 00:35 |
charleyhankins | sure. but, hey... right | 00:35 |
charleyhankins | i'll give it a go. | 00:36 |
charleyhankins | thanks. | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | how about not using the template field for that form, but building the select box with a SQL macro and HTML right in the template? | 00:36 |
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@apeiron | May it be known, across the lands, for all to hear, that apeiron hates JS. | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 01:06 |
@apeiron | Well, HTML and CSS, too. | 01:06 |
@apeiron | And SQL. | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | btw, you're not doing too bad. The message got to Oregon :) | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | How does SQL rank against JS? | 01:07 |
@apeiron | eh | 01:07 |
@apeiron | Other projects I can use DBIx::Class and such. | 01:07 |
@apeiron | JS... there's no escape. | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | I like SQL better than JS | 01:07 |
+perlDreamer | because you can hide behind a lot of perl :) | 01:07 |
@apeiron | yeah. | 01:08 |
@apeiron | That doesn't make me 'like' SQL any more. | 01:08 |
@apeiron | If I wasn't a teetotaler, JS would drive me to drink. | 01:08 |
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+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: or is it just the YUI? | 01:17 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, YUI is nice, but JS is JS and there's a hundred different little inconsistencies between browsers that don't exist in perlland. | 01:18 |
@apeiron | (and the inconsistencies that *do* exist in perlland are documented in perldelta) | 01:18 |
+perlDreamer | well, to be fair, not all of them are | 01:19 |
@apeiron | Oh? | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | Consider working on Windows, Solaris, and Fedora | 01:19 |
@apeiron | ah. | 01:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | YUI does insulate you against most of the browser problems. | 01:19 |
@apeiron | perldoc perlport. :) | 01:19 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, Yeah, when you're doing YUI things. | 01:19 |
+perlDreamer | that won't cover the fedora issues | 01:19 |
@apeiron | heh | 01:19 |
@apeiron | perldoc psychiatrist | 01:19 |
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@apeiron | (preventative measures; they were in #perl spewing CCs and SSNs) | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | what is +b? | 01:28 |
@apeiron | ban | 01:28 |
@apeiron | cannot enter channel and if in channel when ban is placed, cannot speak or reenter | 01:29 |
nuba | awesome, lets quickly /j #perl | 01:29 |
nuba | now seriously, that sucks | 01:29 |
* apeiron nods | 01:30 |
nuba | probably some disaffected college student | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, you know those college students | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | always causing trouble | 01:31 |
* apeiron looks around shiftily | 01:31 |
@apeiron | I've, uh, I've no idea what you're talking about! | 01:31 |
* perlDreamer seems to remember that nuba is similarly attending a place of higher education | 01:32 |
nuba | im a college student here, CS baccaulaureate, but i've left the disaffected part behind already | 01:32 |
nuba | im just too busy to spend time with that | 01:32 |
nuba | but you can sense it around, anyway | 01:33 |
nuba | young people looking for trouble | 01:33 |
nuba | those punks! | 01:33 |
nuba | lol | 01:33 |
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+perlDreamer | easy there, nuba | 02:01 |
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Lisette | hello perlDreamer | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | congratulations on your team winning the t-shirt contest, lisette | 02:04 |
Lisette | thanks | 02:04 |
Lisette | i have a question around apache | 02:04 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 02:05 |
Lisette | i can use the apace 1.3.x? | 02:05 |
Lisette | apache | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think so. Apache 2.x | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | mainly because of mod_perl 2.x | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | you could try it, but no promises on how it works | 02:05 |
Lisette | thanks | 02:05 |
+perlDreamer | Porque quiere usar un Apache tan viejo? | 02:12 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6299 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): started migrating ems data | 07:04 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: jt * r6300 /WebGUI/ (15 files in 10 dirs): The concept of "realtime" workflow has been eliminated. Instead all workflows are now realtime (synchronous), and roll over to be asynchronous if they cannot complete succesfully and immediately. | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6301 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Product variant creation is held off until we can finalize | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: the variant code. | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Began building JSON based variant code, and a test for | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: verifying how it works. set, get and delete collateral | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: are implemented. Still need to build moveUp and moveDown. | 08:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Lots of tests to be written. | 08:55 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: You late night hackin' monster! | 18:37 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: you were right (again). Properly encapsulated, this JSON stuff isn't so bad. | 22:33 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6302 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/ProductCollateral.t: more product collateral tests | 23:55 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6303 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): deleteCollateral tests, and detab Sku/Product.pm | 23:55 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: would it be bad to make moveUp and moveDown collateral to wrap around (in the new Product collateral)? | 00:33 |
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+perlDreamer | apeiron, preaction_: what's the SQL subquery for getting the latest revision of all assets in a table? | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate; | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | that's close, but not quote enough | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | this is closer: SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(revisionDate) FROM Product); | 01:22 |
@apeiron | hm | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | I need a max revisionDate for each assetId | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | because that gives me the biggest in the whole table | 01:24 |
@apeiron | How does the latter differ from that? | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | let's say I have three assets, a1, a2, a3 | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | each was committed one minute apart | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | my last query will only give me 1 asset, from a3 | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | rather than the latest versions of a1 and a2 | 01:25 |
@apeiron | Ah. | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | the good news is that JSON based collateral is working | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | I just can't upgrade from Wobject based products to Sku based products because of the query | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | I'll grind on it while I'm taking the tiller to the shop. | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for listening, apeiron! | 01:28 |
@apeiron | I may have a solution, trying it out. | 01:28 |
@apeiron | Have you thought of putting a WHERE clause in the subquery? | 01:28 |
@apeiron | (for the assetId) | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 02:33 |
+perlDreamer | no, I hadn't | 02:34 |
+perlDreamer | the problem is that I don't know at that point which assetId I want, since the query returns them | 02:36 |
+perlDreamer | maybe I need to dig into AssetLineage and see what's going on there | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | or the Template form variable | 02:37 |
+perlDreamer | got it | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(Product.revisionDate) FROM Product where Product.assetId=a.assetId); | 02:42 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_ is going to get mad if I keep doing that | 02:43 |
+perlDreamer | apeiron: you were exactly right | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | I'm just too SQL-newbified to understand | 02:45 |
+perlDreamer | thanks for the tip, dude! | 02:45 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6305 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): conversion of Product from Wobjects to Skus with variants is done | 07:49 |
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@apeiron | perlDreamer, About the SQL stuff yesterday, was really just a guess on my part. :) | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | a good one :) | 18:51 |
+perlDreamer | with perl, instinct is a valuable commodity | 18:55 |
* apeiron nods, emphatically. | 18:57 |
+perlDreamer | okay, this is embarrasing | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | I need some perl help | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | I have an array ref | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | I want to make a safe copy of it | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | so I start with $ref | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | my @copy = @{ $ref } | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | I modify @copy | 19:04 |
+perlDreamer | and right now I'm seeing changes in $ref | 19:04 |
@apeiron | hrm | 19:05 |
@apeiron | I've seen a module to do this, I think. | 19:05 |
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@apeiron | perlDreamer, Storable has a dclone() that you can use. | 19:06 |
@rizen | if that's showing changes in the ref then i think that webgui is broken all over the place | 19:06 |
+perlDreamer | I'm going to boil it down and figure it out | 19:06 |
@rizen | cuz that's always how i make copies of array refs | 19:06 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Does your usage vary much from http://webgui.pastebin.com/d20f4191e ? | 19:08 |
@apeiron | That DWYM. | 19:08 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d0b74a | 19:09 |
+perlDreamer | oh crap | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | now I get it | 19:10 |
+perlDreamer | I'm still dealing with references | 19:10 |
@rizen | indeed | 19:11 |
+perlDreamer | perldoc Storable | 19:11 |
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+perlDreamer | this works better | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m289c0ffb | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | I had to iterate over the array anyway | 19:16 |
sanyock3 | Hi All | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | Hi, sanyock3 | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | Do you have some webgui questions? | 19:16 |
sanyock3 | Sure ;) | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: Have you looked at the new JSON collateral methods? If I'm way off base, it would be good to know before I get too far along. | 19:20 |
@rizen | no but i will | 19:20 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6306 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 19:24 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Convert accessories over to the new Product collateral methods. | 19:24 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add a method to get the JSON collateral indexed, for easy access to indeces. | 19:24 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add tests for the new getIndexedCollateralData method. | 19:24 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: In the upgrade script, put variants in all versions of the Product. Begin | 19:24 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: work on converting the collateral tables over to JSON. | 19:24 |
@rizen | looks like you're on the right track | 19:25 |
+perlDreamer | (phew) good. Thanks for the review. | 19:25 |
@rizen | though when i genericize it for use in other assets there are a few things i'd change | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | okay, what does it need? | 19:26 |
@rizen | first, while for your purposes of conversion the word "table" makes sense, but to people that never saw table based collateral, it makes no sense | 19:26 |
+perlDreamer | would $collateral be a better variable to use? Or something else? | 19:27 |
@rizen | and it adds to confusion because databases have tables, but json doesn | 19:27 |
@rizen | second, i wouldn't make it part of the asset, but rather a separate object that the asset can use similar to VersionTag or Keywords | 19:28 |
+perlDreamer | I was thinking in the long term this would become a mixin | 19:28 |
@rizen | so you'd do: my $collateral = WebGUI::JsonCollateral->new($self, $fieldName); | 19:29 |
@rizen | maybe it will, i'm still not convinced about mixins yet though | 19:29 |
+perlDreamer | Hey, if you want it top-level, top-level it is | 19:29 |
@rizen | i'm still leaning toward separate objects | 19:29 |
@rizen | for the purposes of this though | 19:30 |
@rizen | don't worry about those things | 19:30 |
@rizen | just get it done | 19:30 |
@rizen | given the time constraints you don't have time to make this perfect | 19:30 |
+perlDreamer | true | 19:30 |
@rizen | besides, i've changed the spec of products on you enough during this | 19:31 |
@rizen | =) | 19:31 |
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+perlDreamer | only once. I just keep flip-flopping implementations | 19:31 |
@rizen | once is enough | 19:31 |
@rizen | =) | 19:31 |
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itnomad | I'm getting ready to install webgui on a CentOS server. I am confused by the instructions for DNS setup. Not much experience there. I am using one site on a computer that I access only by numbered address. Eventually I will get a domain name for this, but for now can I skip the DNS setup or do I have to make up a name for the WRE to use locally? | 20:08 |
itnomad | Where it says "add your first site"; sitename='can I use a numbered address here?' | 20:13 |
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+perlDreamer | itnomad, I'm not a WRE user, but I don't see why not | 20:15 |
itnomad | By now my nubiness must be clear to all. I have an intranet with a couple computers and am using a router and port forwarding. | 20:16 |
itnomad | I guess I just need to jump in and give it a shot. | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | itnomad, we've all started there. Don't feel bad because you're new. | 20:16 |
itnomad | I should go ahead and learn about the /etc/hosts file anyway. It's just that there is so much to do and so little time. Thanks for the encouragement perlDreamer. | 20:17 |
+perlDreamer | itnomad, if you're truly in a time crunch to set this up, have you considered having someone setup and host your site for you? | 20:18 |
@rizen | itnomad use the domain name that you think you'll be using when you luanch | 20:19 |
@rizen | launch | 20:19 |
@rizen | www.itnomad.com | 20:19 |
@rizen | for example | 20:19 |
@apeiron | Then you can put that in /etc/hosts, right? | 20:19 |
@rizen | yes, and then add an entry to /etc/hosts | 20:20 |
@rizen | of: | 20:20 |
@rizen | 10.0.0.1 www.itnomad.com | 20:20 |
@rizen | replace 10.0.0.1 with your numbered ip | 20:20 |
@rizen | then you can still access the site using 10.0.0.1 (or whatever your ip is) | 20:21 |
@rizen | but the WRE is expecting a domain...not an ip address | 20:21 |
itnomad | okay...got it. That helps a lot! | 20:21 |
itnomad | Thank you ... onward with the installation. | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: accessory collateral converted over to JSON collateral. The upgrade process has been tested, but I still need to test the UI. | 20:28 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6307 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:34 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Convert accessory collateral to JSON based accessory collateral. | 20:34 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: Add a product with accessory collateral to loadProducts.pl to test the upgrade. | 20:34 |
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itnomad | installation was painless once I got past that one hump. I went ahead and bought the domain I will be using and put in /etc/hosts with my local ip. Everything is working. Thanks again for the help. Now for some exercise. | 22:27 |
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+perlmonkey2 | I would like to mark today as a day of celebration. Microsoft has, at least for now, given up its bid to buy Yahoo. | 22:42 |
+perlDreamer | Motion seconded | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | any comments from the floor? | 22:49 |
+perlDreamer | barring comments from floor, or an override from the commissioner, motion is passed. | 22:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | hah, perlDreamer++ | 23:14 |
@rizen | i object | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | the committee recognizes the commissioner | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | Would you please detail the objection for the record? | 23:27 |
@rizen | i would like to designate today as a day of sour grapes | 23:27 |
@rizen | i mean, did you read that pity party of a letter that balmer released to the public | 23:28 |
@rizen | he's so pissed off that someone would thwart his advances, that he's attempting to devalue Yahoo!'s stock price by saying they don't know how to run their own business | 23:29 |
@rizen | in addition, he talks as if he knows so much about the search business...but if he did, would his company really be a distant 3rd place contender...and note that he's talking to the 2nd place contender here | 23:30 |
@rizen | therefore i designate today as a day of sour grapes | 23:31 |
+perlDreamer | the committee would like suggest that we combine the celebration and sour grapes to be a day of "Neener neener boo boo". | 23:31 |
@rizen | i really want to post what i just said to the black blog, but me thinks that it probably wouldn't be appropriate | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | just pull the concept out of it, and write about that | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | poor sportsmanship, mud-slinging don't work well with open source | 23:33 |
@rizen | what fun would that be | 23:34 |
@rizen | oh, and steve balmer can't do math | 23:35 |
@rizen | in his letter he claimed that they offered an additional $1 per share (raising it to $33 from $32 per share) which was also rejected | 23:36 |
@rizen | and he said that extra $1/share was going to cost $5 billion | 23:36 |
@rizen | later in the letter he said that yahoo would not settle for anything less than $37 per share | 23:36 |
@rizen | which would cost an additional $5 billion or more | 23:36 |
@rizen | how is it that $1/share and $4/share both equal $5 billion | 23:37 |
+perlDreamer | unless the number of shares offered are different, they aren't | 23:37 |
@rizen | exactly | 23:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 23:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | It is always fun to see a company, lacking in even the remotest spec of integrity, fall on its face. | 23:39 |
@rizen | but in far more important news: | 23:41 |
@rizen | http://gizmodo.com/386877/holy-crap-macgyver-blockbuster-film-coming | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | yeah! | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | oy | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | I already miss the new commerce system | 23:42 |
@rizen | you already miss it? | 23:44 |
@rizen | oh...you're working on the old one for that contract | 23:45 |
@rizen | =) | 23:45 |
@rizen | what's funny is that i'm writing the same thing you are | 23:45 |
@rizen | only for the new one | 23:45 |
@rizen | $0 transactions | 23:45 |
@rizen | right at this very moment | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | have to take a small break | 23:45 |
+perlDreamer | I have a very important snake tungue surgery to perform | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | Yesterday, I was an electrician | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | This morning, a programmer | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | this afternoon, a veterinarian | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | what a day | 23:52 |
+perlDreamer | plus, I caught a cold | 23:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: Should I address the cover letter to Frank? | 23:57 |
@rizen | if you like | 23:57 |
@rizen | he is going to be the one who interviews you | 23:57 |
+perlmonkey2 | groovy | 23:57 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6308 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProductManager.pm: price and weight checks were mangled in the ProductManager | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | are all WebGUI releases tagged in SVN? | 01:24 |
@rizen | all releases in the past 6 months or so | 01:25 |
@rizen | we didn't do it before that | 01:25 |
@rizen | maybe not even that long ago...i don't remember exactly when we started it | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | 7.4.16 is before the JSON fixes, so I'm guessing that it's too old | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | it's okay, I'll diff against an original source tree | 01:26 |
@rizen | no i think 7.4.16 should be in the tags | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | I'll check | 01:26 |
@rizen | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/releases/WebGUI_7.4.16-stable/ | 01:26 |
@rizen | looks like we've been doing it since the 7.3 days | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | yup | 01:27 |
@rizen | ok calling it quits for the day...ttyl | 01:40 |
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* perlDreamer continues with his journey | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | leaping from module to module | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | writing wrongs from the past | 01:43 |
+perlDreamer | and hoping that each one will show him the way home | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | or at least to a cushy well paying job with Perl | 02:16 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6309 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm: fix for POD whitespace | 02:22 |
CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6310 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: final accessory changes. UI tests pass as well | 02:46 |
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+perlDreamer | this new collateral system is so simple, I wonder if the whole thing could be automated, ala the definition sub. | 02:52 |
+perlDreamer | so when it found a collateral property, it would autogenerate all the move, and delete subs | 02:53 |
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enriquan | hi all :) | 05:24 |
enriquan | ... | 05:29 |
enriquan | nobody's here huh? | 05:29 |
enriquan | I cant install webgui... cause my server's running apache | 05:30 |
enriquan | and its my web host... so I dont think I can disable it | 05:30 |
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CIA-5 | WebGUI: colin * r6311 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert related over to JSON collateral | 07:01 |
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citronized | hello :) | 09:27 |
citronized | i'm trying to install Webgui on a mac... OS 10.5 | 09:28 |
citronized | i'm wondering if there's a special directory in a specific location to create for unpacking ? | 09:29 |
+Radix-wrk | citronized: I'm not familiar with installing it on a mac, but is there anything in the wiki about a mac install? | 09:30 |
+Radix-wrk | I'm sure it'd be documented somewhere | 09:30 |
citronized | perhaps yup, i'm gonna have a look there :) | 09:31 |
+Radix-wrk | my guess though is that it's the same as for every other platform - you need a /data directory and everything goes under that - that's just a guess tho | 09:31 |
citronized | yes, but as I have several sessions, I dunno if I have to create the data dir at the root or in one admin session... | 09:31 |
@rizenisaway | the instructions are the same for *all* platforms, and the wre comes with them in docs/install.txt | 09:32 |
@rizenisaway | just follow it and you'll be fine | 09:32 |
citronized | ok, I'll do that :) thank you two ;) | 09:33 |
+Radix-wrk | you're welcome | 09:33 |
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citronized | hello again, when i list the services, i have a warning displayed on page : Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024. | 10:19 |
citronized | so i cannot start Apache Modproxy services :( | 10:19 |
citronized | i've tried using a "root" session, but i have the same warning displayed :-/ | 10:20 |
+Radix-wrk | you will need to be root to start webgui, yes, or any apache service. | 10:21 |
citronized | isn't there a way to start the service in command line, using the root login ? | 10:22 |
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citronized | ok, found it | 10:33 |
citronized | the command is : "data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start all" | 10:34 |
citronized | with "su" before :) | 10:34 |
BartJol | do you know whether su retains the environment settings? | 10:35 |
citronized | nope, no idea | 10:36 |
BartJol | quite important | 10:36 |
BartJol | I think when I sudo'd it didn't go well | 10:36 |
BartJol | and you need root rights for -all | 10:37 |
+Radix-wrk | err.. not su | 10:37 |
+Radix-wrk | sudo | 10:37 |
+Radix-wrk | or use su to get into root first, then run it I guess | 10:37 |
BartJol | well that works for me... | 10:38 |
BartJol | off course | 10:38 |
+Radix-wrk | either should work really | 10:38 |
BartJol | ah | 10:38 |
+Radix-wrk | but you may have to configure sudo first to ensure you have privileges to do it | 10:38 |
BartJol | well I broke something so I can't test it right now | 10:38 |
BartJol | ah | 10:38 |
+Radix-wrk | su is easier imho | 10:39 |
+Radix-wrk | but sudo is technically safer :) | 10:39 |
+Radix-wrk | both give you root privs tho :) | 10:39 |
BartJol | ok | 10:39 |
citronized | well, i'm just trying to instal webgui to test it localy | 10:39 |
+Radix-wrk | fair enough | 10:40 |
+Radix-wrk | webgui is great, but the installation is always the hardest part :) | 10:40 |
citronized | i can see that, yup !! :) | 10:40 |
BartJol | with the wre it's quite doable | 10:40 |
+Radix-wrk | you know about the demo.plainblack.com site right? | 10:40 |
citronized | yep, but it only last for 1 day, don't it ? | 10:41 |
BartJol | it does | 10:41 |
BartJol | or limited time anyway\ | 10:41 |
+Radix-wrk | with the wre it should be doable in about half an hour.. but that assumes you have no mysql, no apache, perl, anything on that system already that might conflict or cause issues | 10:41 |
BartJol | I had a clean server, that might make a difference | 10:42 |
+Radix-wrk | yeah, I've found it makes the world of difference | 10:42 |
citronized | took me less then one hour | 10:43 |
+Radix-wrk | for your first time that's excellent :) | 10:43 |
BartJol | so before installing make sure it's clean with a sudo rm -rf / command | 10:43 |
BartJol | :) | 10:43 |
+Radix-wrk | hhaha | 10:43 |
BartJol | sorry, to often made, this joke is | 10:43 |
citronized | :p | 10:44 |
BartJol | I'm just not that original :) | 10:44 |
+Radix-wrk | See your nerd education is still rather lacking that's why Bart.. you're getting there tho :) | 10:44 |
citronized | how do i quit the "root" mode in terminal ? | 10:45 |
+Radix-wrk | exit | 10:45 |
citronized | ty | 10:45 |
BartJol | ctrl-D | 10:45 |
+Radix-wrk | you can use the 'id' command to see what privileges you're running as at any time too | 10:46 |
+Radix-wrk | it should say something like 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root)' if you're running as root | 10:46 |
+Radix-wrk | and something like 'uid=501(jesse) gid=503(formsys)' if you're as a normal user | 10:47 |
BartJol | but I'm not called jesse? | 10:47 |
citronized | :) | 10:47 |
+Radix-wrk | yes, be grateful for that one :) | 10:47 |
citronized | gives me that : uid=501(citronized) gid=501(citronized) groups=501(citronized),98(_lpadmin),80(admin) | 10:48 |
+Radix-wrk | yup, so you're in a normal user session right now then | 10:48 |
citronized | ;) | 10:48 |
+Radix-wrk | id is handy if you're like me and logged into half a dozen different machines at any one time and can never remember who you logged in as | 10:49 |
citronized | i guess :) | 10:50 |
BartJol | ah, I'm only logged in to maximun three machines simultaneously | 10:50 |
BartJol | but, I'm not yet as nerdy... | 10:50 |
+Radix-wrk | heh | 10:52 |
+Radix-wrk | Well I'm off home - going to see Iron Man tonight and looking forward to it! | 10:53 |
BartJol | ah, have fun | 10:53 |
citronized | :) | 10:53 |
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citronized | is there a way to custom used fonts for all pages ? | 11:02 |
BartJol | ? probably there is, but I'm not sure what you mean? | 11:03 |
BartJol | in the css you can do that | 11:04 |
BartJol | but you can have a css in the head of the template or a separate css file | 11:04 |
citronized | the content part use a serif font, i'd like to use a sans-serif font, i don't know how to manage this :) | 11:04 |
citronized | ok | 11:05 |
citronized | where is located this css ? | 11:05 |
BartJol | so you just have to look at your template whether it has css directly in it or via a css file | 11:05 |
BartJol | you can see it in your template | 11:05 |
BartJol | probably somewhere in the import node or media folder | 11:05 |
citronized | right, in the import dir ;) ty | 11:07 |
BartJol | if the template uses a css file, it should be defined in the head section of your template | 11:07 |
BartJol | if you have bugzilla (if you use firefox) most of the time you also see what file is used | 11:08 |
BartJol | the name anyway | 11:08 |
citronized | i have the webdeveloper tools bar | 11:10 |
citronized | ;) | 11:10 |
BartJol | ok | 11:11 |
citronized | BartJol: do you know how can I add MySQL tables or DB ? Do I have to use the WRE console or there's a phpMyadmin like console ? | 11:22 |
BartJol | ah | 11:23 |
BartJol | well | 11:23 |
BartJol | I would just go into the mysql db | 11:24 |
BartJol | but with an sql form, maybe you are able to do it too | 11:24 |
BartJol | but I didn't work with that yet | 11:24 |
citronized | oh, ok... | 11:25 |
BartJol | but not via the wreconsole and there isn't a separate console for it | 11:25 |
citronized | ok, i have to figured out how to manage that | 11:26 |
BartJol | do you want users to be able to do that? or you just want to add a table? | 11:27 |
citronized | i just want to add a table in order to manage some records which will be displayed in the site | 11:29 |
BartJol | for an extra db, you have to make one in mysql, then add a database link inyour webgui settings | 11:29 |
citronized | i've seen that i have to do this link, but i dunno if there's a "phpMyadmin like" interface | 11:31 |
BartJol | your mysql user and password are in your WebGUI conf file | 11:31 |
BartJol | well, thingy might be able to do that | 11:31 |
BartJol | but that's only in the beta version | 11:32 |
BartJol | and these also are local assets, so not page iwde | 11:32 |
citronized | expected for the end of May, i've heard | 11:32 |
BartJol | yeah, well... | 11:33 |
BartJol | :) | 11:33 |
BartJol | deadlines are easily passed | 11:33 |
citronized | i know, i know :) | 11:33 |
BartJol | but it will be somewhere around there | 11:33 |
BartJol | it will be before the wuc | 11:33 |
citronized | what is the wuc ? | 11:34 |
BartJol | the webgui user conference | 11:34 |
BartJol | 29th of august in madison, wisconsin | 11:34 |
BartJol | I believe | 11:34 |
BartJol | www.webgui.org/wuc | 11:34 |
citronized | oh ok :) | 11:35 |
BartJol | it's nice, and you can get to meet all the famous wbegui nerds | 11:35 |
citronized | i won't be there :) | 11:35 |
citronized | too far for me | 11:35 |
BartJol | too bad, | 11:35 |
BartJol | we are going with around 12 dutchmen | 11:35 |
BartJol | and it's far for us too | 11:36 |
citronized | i guess | 11:36 |
citronized | maybe if i'm rich and have some holidays :) | 11:36 |
BartJol | a, we all get our tickets because it's our work | 11:37 |
BartJol | and all give presentations | 11:37 |
BartJol | where are you from then? | 11:38 |
citronized | from france :) | 11:38 |
BartJol | Straasbourg?\ | 11:38 |
citronized | yup, Mr. Nerd :) | 11:39 |
citronized | but it's Strasbourg ;) | 11:39 |
BartJol | thnaks, I consider that a compliment | 11:39 |
citronized | u can :) | 11:39 |
BartJol | I know, my typing has to warm up | 11:39 |
citronized | np | 11:39 |
BartJol | well, nice to have more persons in the some timezone here | 11:40 |
citronized | Straasbourg sounds too much german for me :) | 11:40 |
BartJol | in dutch it's Straatsburg | 11:40 |
citronized | close | 11:40 |
citronized | about the tickets, it's not my job, even if i would like it :) | 11:41 |
BartJol | maybe a career change? :) | 11:42 |
citronized | i hope | 11:42 |
citronized | i'm bored with filemaker devs :) | 11:42 |
citronized | it's unusefull i think | 11:42 |
BartJol | but do you also work on the french translation? that would be a must for webgui in france | 11:43 |
BartJol | already 38 percent done | 11:43 |
citronized | I will | 11:44 |
BartJol | nice | 11:44 |
citronized | i discuss of it here with another user, i can't remember his name :| | 11:45 |
citronized | perl-somethg | 11:45 |
citronized | sorry for him | 11:45 |
BartJol | perlmonkey2? | 11:45 |
citronized | yup | 11:45 |
BartJol | perlDreamer? | 11:45 |
citronized | ;) | 11:45 |
citronized | both, as far as i can remember | 11:45 |
BartJol | ah, those are both sleeping | 11:46 |
citronized | i guess, last time i came, was the night here :) | 11:46 |
BartJol | Is there something like a WebGUI community in France? | 11:46 |
citronized | i don't know :) | 11:46 |
citronized | i'm quite comfortable with english, so i didn't even look if one exists | 11:47 |
BartJol | In the Netherlands we have, if we have a bigger meeting would you like to come here? | 11:47 |
BartJol | that's not very far | 11:48 |
citronized | why not | 11:48 |
citronized | i was in Utrecht this w-e :) | 11:48 |
BartJol | ah | 11:48 |
BartJol | nice city | 11:48 |
citronized | for a car meeting :) | 11:48 |
citronized | well, not really cars, but Citroën's :) | 11:49 |
BartJol | mm, Utrecht just banned SUV's from the city centre | 11:49 |
BartJol | well, the old Citroens are really nice | 11:49 |
citronized | they really are, i think :) | 11:49 |
citronized | i'm a citroën scale model collector :) | 11:50 |
BartJol | well that's not reaaly my type of hobby | 11:50 |
citronized | and that a part of the point of my website project : buil a scalemodelslibrary :) | 11:50 |
BartJol | but, if you collect model cars, they can better be nice | 11:51 |
BartJol | ah | 11:51 |
citronized | yeah, don't have enough $$ to buy real ones :) | 11:51 |
BartJol | :) | 11:51 |
citronized | but i have my grandfather '78 GS :) | 11:52 |
citronized | for now, it's far enough for me ;) | 11:52 |
citronized | i have a xantia too, but that's for everyday | 11:54 |
citronized | well, i'm gonna stop pissing u off with my cars stories :) | 11:54 |
BartJol | ah, well, I've gotta work too | 11:55 |
citronized | ;) | 11:55 |
citronized | maybe i see u later around ;) | 11:55 |
BartJol | probably | 11:55 |
BartJol | :) | 11:55 |
citronized | good work then :) | 11:55 |
BartJol | thanks, later | 11:55 |
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citronized | hi again :) | 13:49 |
citronized | is "Thingy" already available in beta ? | 13:50 |
BartJol | yeah | 14:02 |
BartJol | but it not yet fully done | 14:02 |
BartJol | s/it/it is/ | 14:03 |
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citronized | u mean some functions aren't available ? | 15:02 |
BartJol | well I thought that the feature set isn't completed yet, but those that are should work | 15:03 |
citronized | how ca i get this beta ? | 15:04 |
BartJol | download it! :) | 15:04 |
citronized | i haven't found any links, that's why i ask :) | 15:05 |
BartJol | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=45293&release_id=591330 | 15:05 |
BartJol | that is the location of the latest beta | 15:05 |
BartJol | 7.5.10 | 15:05 |
BartJol | but read the gotcha file after unpacking | 15:06 |
citronized | oh, ok, it's included in the webgui package :) | 15:07 |
BartJol | yeah, probably in /data/WebGUI/docs | 15:07 |
citronized | i though it was a PI or something like that :) | 15:07 |
BartJol | no the api can be found via the wiki | 15:08 |
BartJol | also very usefull | 15:08 |
BartJol | if you start to write your own code | 15:08 |
BartJol | but the gotcha contains some info on important changes that are sometimes not completely compatible | 15:13 |
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citronized | do you think it's possible to install this beta side to side with the stable version ? | 15:19 |
citronized | or do i have to trash my stable version ? | 15:20 |
BartJol | I think it is possible, but.... | 15:20 |
BartJol | you need to setup another directory tree | 15:20 |
BartJol | and maybe there are some defaults | 15:21 |
BartJol | that think that the directory is /data/WebGUI | 15:21 |
BartJol | so that might take some time to configure | 15:21 |
BartJol | and it should have another ip address | 15:22 |
BartJol | such stuff | 15:22 |
citronized | erf..ok I see :) | 15:22 |
BartJol | you don't make live easier for yourself | 15:23 |
BartJol | :) | 15:23 |
citronized | i'll wait for the stable version then :) | 15:23 |
BartJol | but for older versions without the wre we have that | 15:23 |
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BartJol | probably when 7.5 gets stable, there also will be an upgrade path from 7.4 | 15:24 |
citronized | which version is included in the WRE 0.8.3 package ? | 15:25 |
BartJol | so then there shouldn't be to many problems | 15:26 |
BartJol | none | 15:26 |
BartJol | but when you install WebGUI, it will take the latest stable (in this case 7.4.35) version | 15:26 |
citronized | ok, i've seen that it has dowloaded this stuff during install :) | 15:27 |
citronized | are upgrades easy once you've installed webgui ? | 15:27 |
BartJol | normally yes | 15:28 |
citronized | easy as is the installation or as two clicks on buttons ? :D | 15:28 |
BartJol | if you have many custom extra's (like in the code) that can cause trouble | 15:28 |
BartJol | eeh | 15:29 |
BartJol | well you should run the /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl script | 15:29 |
citronized | seems fine to me :) | 15:30 |
BartJol | but there are also some upgrade instructions on the site | 15:30 |
BartJol | I would advise to read those :) | 15:30 |
citronized | ;) | 15:30 |
BartJol | I didn't do that very often with success | 15:31 |
BartJol | and I broke my test installation | 15:31 |
BartJol | so | 15:31 |
BartJol | still some stuff with the new JSON version | 15:32 |
citronized | i'm gonna try my SQL Form asset to work, this way, i won't bother u anymore with upgrades and stuff :) | 15:32 |
BartJol | well, glad to be some help | 15:33 |
citronized | ty for ur help anyway | 15:33 |
citronized | it's always great to be more then one in front of an issue ;) | 15:34 |
BartJol | have fun | 15:34 |
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BartJol | morning | 15:41 |
citronized | morning :) | 15:41 |
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+perlmonkey2 | anyone seen the use.perl article on how fresh cpan is? http://use.perl.org/~LaPerla/journal/36320 | 16:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | that is pretty cool. | 16:18 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:24 |
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@rizenisaway | MrHairgrease: in iTransact processing do you ever set a "total" amount? | 17:12 |
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@rizen | i'm trying to figure out where to place in-shop credit into this module. | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:13 |
+MrHairgrease | let me check that | 17:13 |
@rizen | for example, let's say i have a transaction for $20 and i have a $10 credit in the shop. i should be able to make the credit card fee only $10 then instead of the full $20 | 17:14 |
+MrHairgrease | I I recall correctly you pass the per item price/qty to itransact | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll have to check it in their docs | 17:16 |
+MrHairgrease | gimme a minute | 17:16 |
@rizen | if that's true, how do you pass in things like tax, shipping, etc | 17:17 |
@rizen | do you just add extra line items? | 17:17 |
+MrHairgrease | If you want those seperate, they'll have to be passed as separate items | 17:22 |
+MrHairgrease | afaik, itransact does not have a seperate tax field | 17:23 |
@rizen | so is the itransact module not accounting for shipping and tax costs right now? | 17:23 |
@rizen | if not, i'll add it while i'm in here adding the other stuff | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | let me check | 17:23 |
@rizen | it doesn't look like it to me | 17:23 |
@rizen | that's why i'm asking | 17:23 |
+MrHairgrease | i know | 17:24 |
@rizen | if you don't know, then it probably isn't | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | It doesn't as far as i can see | 17:24 |
+MrHairgrease | I thought the getPrice thing calculated the price including tax | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | but that isn't | 17:25 |
+MrHairgrease | hnce the confusion | 17:25 |
@rizen | ok thanks | 17:26 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, now i'm sure | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | it doesn't do it | 17:27 |
@rizen | alright, i'll add those in too then | 17:27 |
+MrHairgrease | i can add it too | 17:27 |
@rizen | i'm working on it right now anyway | 17:28 |
@rizen | for that credit stuff | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | ok, just add them as seperate items | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | question about the subscriptions | 17:28 |
+MrHairgrease | it used to be possible to have one subscription code referring to two subscriptions | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | but we agreed that that will not be the case anymore in the new system | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | ie. a one-to-one relationship between code<->susbscription | 17:29 |
+MrHairgrease | what do you want to happen if there are codes that have multiple subscriptions attached? | 17:30 |
@rizen | existing codes? | 17:30 |
+MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:31 |
@rizen | my guess is that there aren't any because you said the user interface doesn't allow for it, only the api did | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | aparently I was wrong on that | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | b/c when i tried to make a batch of codes for testing the migration script | 17:31 |
+MrHairgrease | it was possible | 17:31 |
@rizen | but if you find any then display a warning in the upgrade output AND log, and then convert them to a new code | 17:31 |
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@rizen | so if there are two subscriptions in the code | 17:32 |
@rizen | then the first one can use the code | 17:32 |
@rizen | and the second one gets a new code | 17:32 |
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@rizen | and you let people know that in both the upgrade output (print) and in the log | 17:32 |
+MrHairgrease | how I have done it so far is letting assign one of the subscriptions to the code, thus discarding the other subscriptions for that code | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | creating a new code has about the same effect, since you only really wanna retain codes if you've handed them out already | 17:36 |
+MrHairgrease | but in that case, the person that received it doesn't know anymore where to redeem it. | 17:37 |
+MrHairgrease | since the code redemption is moved into the sku | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | and removed from the displayAccount screen | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | so how does creating new codes help? | 17:38 |
+MrHairgrease | it only complicates matters | 17:38 |
@rizen | no it helps | 17:39 |
@rizen | it helps because the store owner doesn't have to manually create the codes | 17:39 |
@rizen | he's going to have to send out the codes again sure | 17:40 |
@rizen | but he doesn't have to manually create it | 17:40 |
@rizen | so give him the codes and the urls | 17:40 |
@rizen | then he can send out the emails | 17:40 |
@rizen | to distribute the new codes to people | 17:40 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:41 |
+MrHairgrease | another funny thing i came across: now that subscriptions are assets people without admin privs can add them. | 17:42 |
+MrHairgrease | So what happens if some evil content manager adds a subscriuption to the admin group and redeems a code for himself? | 17:42 |
@rizen | set the canAdd value of it to '3' | 17:43 |
@rizen | that will stop that problem | 17:43 |
@rizen | and if someone wants to override it, they can do so in their config | 17:43 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 17:44 |
@rizen | good thinking though | 17:44 |
@rizen | i didn't even consider that | 17:44 |
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+MrHairgrease | ok, one final question: subscription codes are in batches which belong to subscritions | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | so now each code has a batchId | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | and each batchId has a subscriptionId | 17:50 |
+MrHairgrease | would it be a bad thing to add a subscriptionId to each code too? | 17:51 |
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+MrHairgrease | it is a form of data duplication so I left it out | 17:51 |
@rizen | i'll leave it to your judgement | 18:14 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more collateral conversion. Collateral data does not need to be removed from extra tables in purge method | 18:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: collateral data does not need to be manually duplicated | 18:21 |
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+perlDreamer | json collateral in the asset table has lots of advantages | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | no need for manual duplication or purging | 18:35 |
+perlDreamer | versioning | 18:36 |
+perlDreamer | prototyping | 18:36 |
@rizen | i know | 18:37 |
@rizen | hence my blog entry | 18:37 |
@rizen | =) | 18:37 |
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webmaster | where does the Sybase.pm file need to be and installed | 18:40 |
+perlDreamer | webmaster, do you mean DBD::Sybase? | 18:40 |
webmaster | yes | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | Are you using the WRE? | 18:41 |
webmaster | yes | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | get a root session | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | source the setEnvironment script | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | perl -MCPAN -e 'install DBD::Sybase' | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | restart apache | 18:41 |
+perlDreamer | configure a database link to your sybase db | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | then use it | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | note that you can't use it for the default webgui database | 18:42 |
+perlDreamer | only for external db queries | 18:42 |
webmaster | i did that and i even can run a perl script to spit out my server name which is a SQL server. I create a database link in WebGUI and this is what i get | 18:43 |
webmaster | 2008/05/02 03:06:25 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate DBD/Sybase.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/p | 18:43 |
webmaster | Perhaps the DBD::Sybase perl module hasn't been fully installed, | 18:43 |
webmaster | or perhaps the capitalisation of 'Sybase' isn't right. | 18:43 |
webmaster | Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Gofer, Proxy, Sponge, mysql. | 18:43 |
webmaster | so we moved the pm file so webgui could see it | 18:43 |
webmaster | got this | 18:43 |
webmaster | 2008/05/02 10:35:07 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: Undefined subroutine &DBD::Sybase::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm line 94. | 18:43 |
webmaster | gave it execute permissions and got his | 18:43 |
webmaster | 2008/05/02 10:38:05 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::Sybase in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/ | 18:44 |
webmaster | Compilation failed in require at (eval 1695) line 3. | 18:44 |
webmaster | Perhaps a module that DBD::Sybase requires hasn't been fully installed | 18:44 |
webmaster | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 322 | 18:44 |
@rizen | are you sure you installed it into the right perl | 18:44 |
@rizen | my guess is that you installed it into your local perl rather than the wre | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 18:44 |
+perlDreamer | try a locate Sybase.pm | 18:45 |
webmaster | locate Sybase.pm | 18:45 |
webmaster | locate Sybase.pm | 18:46 |
webmaster | "/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
webmaster | "/data/WebGUI/lib/DBIx/DBDescribe/DBD/Sybase.pm | 18:47 |
webmaster | "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/Bundle/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
webmaster | "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm" | 18:47 |
webmaster | we manually put it into the 2 wre folders | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | if you manually put it there, you probably didn't install everything that it needed | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | use CPAN to install the whole thing into the WRE's perl | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | just like the instructions that I gave you earlier | 18:48 |
webmaster | is there a certain folder i need to be in when i run the command | 18:48 |
+perlDreamer | no | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | just be sure that you're using the WRE's perl | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | which perl | 18:49 |
webmaster | the "into the WRE's perl" is the part I am not clear on. | 18:49 |
webmaster | how do i know i am using WRE perl | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | type perl | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | "type perl" | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | or, "which perl" | 18:49 |
+perlDreamer | if it doesn't say /data/WRE.....perl, you're not using the right one | 18:50 |
webmaster | "/user/bin/perl" | 18:50 |
webmaster | so how do i stop it and use wre | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | ". /data/WRE/sbin/setEnvironment" | 18:50 |
+perlDreamer | the setEnvironment script will alter your path environment variable so that WRE binaries are found first, rather than system binaries | 18:52 |
+perlDreamer | webmaster, is that working for you? | 18:55 |
webmaster | Running make test | 18:57 |
webmaster | Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test | 18:57 |
webmaster | Running make install | 18:57 |
webmaster | Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install | 18:57 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: I know you want this C2 stuff done, but sending a virus to keep me home from work was a little over the top. | 19:01 |
@rizen | damn it, i told xander to just send over a mild bacterial infection | 19:03 |
@rizen | xander being my evil bio-warfare henchman of course | 19:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6314 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: update the SQL query for related Products to consider revisionDate | 19:08 |
webmaster | when i run the console and try to restart apache i get this Please contact me at: | 19:14 |
webmaster | http://bellatrix.d214.org:60834/ | 19:14 |
webmaster | Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 149 | 19:14 |
webmaster | Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 112 | 19:14 |
webmaster | (13)Permission denied: httpd: could not open error log file /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log. | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: in the Product, for benefits, specifications and features, it gives you a combo box of items from other products. | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | this was pretty easily done with SQL | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | but with JSON, not so | 19:14 |
+perlDreamer | should I grab the JSON with a SQL, and make the data, or instance the assets one by one to grab their JSON | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | the second is better, but should be slower due to instancing the assets | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | and for large sites (100,000 products) it won't be fun at all | 19:15 |
+perlDreamer | actually, it might be bad for either method | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | now that we have prototypes, would it be okay to remove that feature from the product? | 19:16 |
+perlDreamer | (drop down of data from other products)? | 19:16 |
@rizen | what does json have to do with it | 19:17 |
@rizen | we're linking to other products | 19:17 |
@rizen | not to variants | 19:17 |
@rizen | oh nevermind | 19:17 |
@rizen | i see what you're saying | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | I was converting _all_ the product collateral to JSON | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | accessories, related products, specifications, benefits and features | 19:17 |
@rizen | just go with a text box rather than a combo | 19:17 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 19:17 |
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+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: product collateral to JSON? I got the smack downt he other day for thinking about doing that. | 19:32 |
@preaction_ | probably because i was doing the smacking | 19:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | I thought it was rizen who said not to do that? Was it you preaction_? | 19:33 |
@preaction_ | it was most likely me, as i oppose it out of principle | 19:34 |
@rizen | perlmonkey2: i may have, but it would depend upon what you were doing | 19:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | april 28th 11:30-ish. | 19:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | I was thinking about moving all the attributes of questions, sections, and answers into a single JSON blob. | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: this is also a result of rizen's WebGUI version 8 post | 19:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: you talked me out of it in case the fields needed to be queried on. | 19:36 |
@rizen | no that's not what you were asking me at the time | 19:36 |
webmaster | does it matter where my httpd.conf file is located | 19:36 |
@rizen | you wanted to create an asset blob to store all your asset properties in | 19:36 |
@rizen | you weren't talking about questions at that time, but rather switches for the asset itself | 19:37 |
@rizen | or at least that's what i understood you to be asking about | 19:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | I can see where the confusion came from, but I meant options on questions and sections, not on the asset itself. | 19:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | but collaterial. | 19:38 |
+perlmonkey2 | collateral, even :P | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I have some fairly robust code (and tested) if you end up going that way :) | 19:39 |
webmaster | i get this message on the service tab of the console: WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024. | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | webmaster, are you logged in as root on that machine? | 19:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I've used TEXT to store JSON for a long time, but is some trick you've learned tha tmight be worth shraing? | 19:40 |
webmaster | he was when he did the install | 19:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | sharing even ? | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | it's just the collateral access methods | 19:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | I encapsulated the JSON entirely | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | so that from the asset, all you deal with are perl data structures | 19:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | ahah, that sounds pretty handy. | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | check out Asset/Sku/Product.pm in the 7.5 branch | 19:41 |
webmaster | what permissions does webgui need | 19:42 |
webmaster | the services folder is owned by root | 19:42 |
webmaster | wre-apache is owned by webgui | 19:42 |
webmaster | so are the other files in the redhat folder | 19:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: 7.5.10 doesn't have an Sku | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | in SVN it does :) | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | does that look better, perlmonkey2? | 20:06 |
+perlmonkey2 | I was looking at 7.5.10beta in svn and wasn't seen it. | 20:06 |
+perlDreamer | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm | 20:07 |
+perlDreamer | not the release version, the main branch | 20:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | ah, I got confused about it being a specific 7.5, but duh, why wouldn' it be in the main branch. | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | eh, I could have been more specific | 20:08 |
+perlDreamer | the collateral methods are getCollateral, setCollateral, deleteCollateral and moveCollateral{Up,Down} | 20:10 |
+perlDreamer | also, getAllCollateral and getIndexedCollateralData | 20:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh man, that all needs to be moved into a higher order object so everyone can share in the fun. | 20:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | good stuff. | 20:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | moveCollateralDown? What is that for? | 20:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | I mean I know what it does, but why would you need it. | 20:11 |
+perlDreamer | collateral has a sequence | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | so you can reorder it | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | i.e. first question, next question, and so on | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | so moveUp and moveDown lets you change the order | 20:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | so your entire collateral table is a single JSON column? | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:12 |
+perlDreamer | well, each asset stores its own collateral data | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | in a column | 20:13 |
+perlDreamer | it makes cross asset queries impossible | 20:13 |
@rizen | it certainly has that one downside | 20:17 |
@rizen | but it also has the upside of better compatibility with duplicate, purge, versioning, prototypes, packages, and anything else we add in the future, like web services | 20:18 |
+perlDreamer | (two more collateral methods to go, benefits and features) | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | after that, I'll be ready to try and convert the Commerce products over to Sku products | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | rizen, I also think that the asset level collateral methods (moveMeUp, moveMeDown, deleteMe, etc.) could all be autogenerated. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet. | 20:24 |
@rizen | i'm certain that's true | 20:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6315 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert specification collateral to JSON | 20:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: so each row of a json collateral object is actually N rows of that callateral object? | 20:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | ie, and array? | 20:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | an | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | each asset has an json property, that holds JSON which is an array of hashrefs | 20:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | no worries about scaling? | 20:37 |
+perlmonkey2 | if the arrays get rather large? | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | how big is a MySQL mediumtext? | 20:38 |
@preaction_ | 250,000 chars i think | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | let's say that any given JSON hashref is 500 chars | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | that would let the array have about 500 entries | 20:39 |
@preaction_ | perlbot math 2 ** 24 | 20:39 |
perlbot | 16777216 | 20:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | That's not what I mean. As a for instance, if I did this with the survey system, to grab a specific set of sections questions and answers, I would have to grab all of them for the survey, then search for just the ones I needed. | 20:39 |
+perlmonkey2 | every time a page was generated. | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | yes, versus asking MySQL to do the same task for you | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | I guess it's a race for who is quicker | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | perl with data, or MySQL with rows and queries | 20:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | I can't make a perfectly indexed table respond faster than 20ms with MySQL. I think that is the minimum overhead to a call on a fast instance. | 20:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | But I've worked with gigabyte hash's, referenced with URI's, and was not able to measure individual lookups as they all fell within the margin of error of 0. | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | gigabyte hashes, in memory? | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | wow | 20:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | So what I'm saying, is I think your idea has much merit and scalability :) | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | Honestly, I just did what rizen said to do ;) | 20:41 |
+perlmonkey2 | Then replace "your idea" with "rizen's idea" :P | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | oy, did I say it was my idea? | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | that's bad. | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | Sincere apologies, rizen. | 20:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | I just assumed that, I don't think you said it? | 20:42 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: add easier search indexing to the list of benefits | 20:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: What about when your asset row contains more data than your physical memory? | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | do you mean ram and swap? | 20:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | on a 512MB machine, there is ually only 150MB or so free after a wG + OS. | 20:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | yes | 20:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | (my example of the survey) could easily have 150MB rows. | 20:49 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 20:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm trying to think of a way to break rows into chunks, but nothing comes to mind that is better than just using the DB. | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | I think you'd hit the 250,000 character limit way before you hit 150 MB of memory | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | but it's still a good question | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | maybe answers needs to remain a table | 20:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | 250K char limit? | 20:54 |
+perlmonkey2 | is that a JSON limit? | 20:54 |
+perlDreamer | the size of the mediumtext field | 20:54 |
@preaction_ | no, it's not 250k, its 2^24 | 20:54 |
@preaction_ | 16 million | 20:55 |
+perlmonkey2 | 16million bits is how many variable length chars :P | 20:55 |
@preaction_ | 16 million bytes, sure | 20:56 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh, not bit but bytes | 20:56 |
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PatMcGroin | Anybody home? | 21:07 |
@preaction_ | in a manner of speaking | 21:08 |
PatMcGroin | Heh- looking for help with an install problem... | 21:08 |
PatMcGroin | getting an errmsg: | 21:09 |
PatMcGroin | -su: ./wreconsole.pl: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory | 21:09 |
PatMcGroin | Yet: | 21:09 |
PatMcGroin | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:09 |
PatMcGroin | perl interpreter exists and seems properly permissioned.... | 21:10 |
@preaction_ | i would ask your distro, since that's your shell complaining | 21:10 |
@preaction_ | alternatively, run the perl file using the perl interpreter directly | 21:10 |
PatMcGroin | Brand new install of Deb/Apache, no alias or other bleh. | 21:11 |
PatMcGroin | Can point it at the "real" perl, I guess... | 21:12 |
@preaction_ | that would be a bad idea | 21:12 |
@preaction_ | if your definition of "real" is "distro-supplied" | 21:12 |
PatMcGroin | Well, apt-get (plus modules) | 21:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -v | 21:16 |
PatMcGroin | Hmmmm, | 21:16 |
PatMcGroin | -su: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: No such file or directory | 21:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | therein lies a hint. | 21:17 |
PatMcGroin | right, but: | 21:18 |
PatMcGroin | ls -al /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:18 |
PatMcGroin | -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl | 21:18 |
@apeiron | Corrupt FS perhaps? | 21:18 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6316 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert feature collateral to JSON | 21:19 |
@apeiron | That's the only thing I can think of. | 21:19 |
PatMcGroin | Very strange... | 21:19 |
PatMcGroin | Brand new install.... | 21:19 |
@apeiron | I'd fsck it to be sure. | 21:19 |
PatMcGroin | clean. | 21:19 |
+perlDreamer | PatMcGroin: Can you cd to /data/wre/prereqs/bin ? | 21:20 |
PatMcGroin | Yep. | 21:21 |
+perlDreamer | ./perl -v | 21:21 |
PatMcGroin | opteval:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./perl -v | 21:21 |
PatMcGroin | bash: ./perl: No such file or directory | 21:22 |
PatMcGroin | Weird. | 21:22 |
PatMcGroin | But ls -al shows all files.... | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | head -1 perl | 21:22 |
@apeiron | It really seems like a filesystem issue to me. | 21:22 |
@apeiron | If you can, remount the FS. | 21:22 |
+perlDreamer | apeiron: I sincerely hope it's the FS, or the hardware or the kernel | 21:23 |
PatMcGroin | head reveals the standard source "space garbage" | 21:23 |
PatMcGroin | Fresh install (slicehost) of Debian/Etch. All else seems OK, but I (personally) didn't install the image, so there's room for doubt. | 21:24 |
PatMcGroin | Gonna re-mount, BRB | 21:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: selinux? permissions? | 21:27 |
PatMcGroin | Perms are 755 in the whole tree | 21:29 |
PatMcGroin | setenvironmantal runs fine | 21:29 |
PatMcGroin | echo $PATH: | 21:29 |
+perlDreamer | it's not a path problem | 21:29 |
PatMcGroin | Agree- path seems normal... | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | it's not a permission problem | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | you said earlier they were 755 | 21:30 |
+perlDreamer | if you can't ./perl -v, then something system level is bad | 21:30 |
PatMcGroin | Was wondering about selinux, will try running it in a different locn. | 21:30 |
+perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: setenforce 0 | 21:33 |
PatMcGroin | is there anything else I need to change (outside of setenvironmentals) to run from and alternate sub-directory? | 21:35 |
PatMcGroin | Nope. | 21:40 |
PatMcGroin | Gotta be something stupid and obvious that I'm just not seeing. No alias= (hell, no .bash anything) | 21:41 |
@preaction_ | i thought debian used dash by default now | 21:41 |
@apeiron | dash? | 21:41 |
@apeiron | Ah, derivative of ash. | 21:42 |
PatMcGroin | Stranger still, I can autocomplete the whole path... | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | check the permissions for the whole path, starting with /data | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | and make sure it isn't mounted with any funny restrictions | 21:46 |
PatMcGroin | 755s all the way down | 21:48 |
PatMcGroin | mount table looks ok too. | 21:48 |
PatMcGroin | Possibly corrupt tarball? | 21:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | PatMcGroin: can you open the binary? | 21:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | to read? | 21:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | can you perform fs operations on it? | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | he was able to head the file | 21:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh | 21:52 |
+perlmonkey2 | is it the correct binary for his OS? | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | does anyone have a debian/etch WRE that could be used to generate a cksum? | 21:52 |
+perlDreamer | ooh, good call perlmonkey2 | 21:52 |
PatMcGroin | Hmmmmm.... | 21:55 |
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+perlDreamer | wait a second, here | 21:55 |
+perlDreamer | bopbop, kristi: which one of you is really Mrs. McCombs? | 21:55 |
kristi | bopbop is Mrs. McCombs | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | then who are you? | 21:56 |
kristi | ?- well, I'm Mrs. McCombs too- got kicked out of chat room and signed back in as kristi | 21:56 |
PatMcGroin | So..... If I need webGUI for a 64-bit OS.....? | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | maybe we'd better just verify that... | 21:57 |
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+perlDreamer | What movie did you kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC? | 21:57 |
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+perlDreamer | What movie did your kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC? | 21:57 |
PatMcGroin | x86_64 GNU/Linux | 21:57 |
kristi | me? | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | you, kristi | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | alledgedly | 21:57 |
kristi | I think it was Camelot | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | ha! | 21:58 |
+perlDreamer | It was "Shek Too" | 21:58 |
kristi | oh yeah- Camelot was too scary | 21:58 |
kristi | SHEK TOO!!!! | 21:59 |
dionak | does anyone use Apache::Reload in WebGUI? | 22:00 |
dionak | sounds like it might make dev easier | 22:00 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: I think that when the WRE is set up for devs that it is turned on for you. | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | okay, kristi, I'm convinced that it's you. | 22:01 |
kristi | whew | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | There was some guy trying to impersonate rizen the other day | 22:01 |
dionak | how do i switch it to dev? | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | but he gave himself away when he complained about his long curly hair. | 22:02 |
kristi | nice- that's like me complaining about being too tall | 22:02 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers | 22:02 |
kristi | head is constantly hitting the ceiling... | 22:03 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: I don't know if you can switch an existing instance. | 22:03 |
PatMcGroin | So no 64-bit install for WebGUI? | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | kristi: and anyone with poor grammar and spelling would be a dead giveaway | 22:04 |
dionak | ok, thanks for the info. maybe i can just read up in the build.sh | 22:04 |
kristi | eye don no wutchu meen | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | PatMcGroin: If there's no existing 64bit WRE, you can compile one | 22:06 |
PatMcGroin | Right, but the problem appears to be the 32-bit executable components in /prereq/ | 22:07 |
PatMcGroin | Not WRE per se. | 22:08 |
+perlDreamer | that _is_ the WRE | 22:08 |
@rizen | kristi is funny | 22:09 |
kristi | looking | 22:09 |
PatMcGroin | Downloading source now. | 22:09 |
+perlDreamer | the WRE is the WebGUI perl modules and the binaries needed to run it, perl, apache, mysql and so on | 22:09 |
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@kristi | woohoo! I'm finally red :) | 22:09 |
* perlDreamer salutes | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, ma'am! | 22:10 |
+perlDreamer | Writing documentation right away | 22:10 |
dionak | hm, i don't see Apache::Reload in the wrebuild | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | The wiki says Apache2::Reload, but that may be a typo | 22:11 |
+perlDreamer | or the page could be out of date | 22:11 |
dionak | i did a grep for reload and Reload | 22:11 |
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dionak | oh wait. i see it in the modules... | 22:12 |
@rizen | dionak: apache2 reload was acciddentally removed from the wre somewhere along the way | 22:12 |
@rizen | i have to remember to put it back in in 0.8.4 | 22:12 |
@rizen | i mean, removed from the config file | 22:12 |
@rizen | not the modules | 22:12 |
dionak | ok, that would explain seeing it in the modules but not the build | 22:13 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: there are several (4) Product templates. To export them all as 1 package, can I make a new folder and move the templates in there? | 22:26 |
@rizen | i think that walmart is trying to kill me | 22:26 |
@rizen | sure pd | 22:26 |
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dionak | i'm setting up a custom lib in /data/site/clientname/lib. I edited preload.custom with the path, double checked it but the macro isn't showing up. could it be permissions? | 22:55 |
dionak | it's world readable | 22:56 |
dionak | no errors in the logs | 22:56 |
dionak | any ideas? | 22:56 |
dionak | i got apache2:reload working btw... | 22:57 |
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@rizen | did you also add the macro to your config file | 23:07 |
dionak | yes. | 23:07 |
dionak | i also double checked my paths | 23:08 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: topsub reported a similar problem a couple of weeks ago | 23:08 |
dionak | yea, i don't think it was resolved. same server | 23:08 |
dionak | let me test a working wg macro from this dir to see if it is indeed a path issue | 23:08 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6317 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 6 dirs): | 23:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: zero dollar transactions | 23:17 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: in-shop credit applies to orders | 23:17 |
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Sunmaster_14 | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/http-proxy-urls-mess-up-checkboxes I posted this bug 5 days ago. Can someone take a look at it? | 23:19 |
BartJol | sorry Sunmaster_14, i read it, but am afraid I can't help you in any constructive way | 23:21 |
Sunmaster_14 | BartJol, ok, thanks for looking :) | 23:21 |
+perlDreamer | Sunmaster_14: A lot of us are busy writing the new commerce system. | 23:22 |
Sunmaster_14 | perlDreamer, ok. I mean, I'm not trying to say "Hey everyone, drop what you're doing and look at this." Just wanted to know if anyone has had a chance to yet | 23:23 |
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Sunmaster_14 | hola, cap10morgan | 23:28 |
cap10morgan | hey | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | Hey, did you guys know that you can create more than 1 alias to a macro? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | Like, if you wanted to use the International macro, you could make entries for ^International and ^Intl | 23:41 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: we need to remember to bring up the JSON collateral size limitation with rizen. | 00:03 |
+perlDreamer | or make a dev list posting | 00:03 |
+perlmonkey2 | 16MB ? | 00:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | A large blob is like 2GB | 00:04 |
+perlmonkey2 | 4GB | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | big | 00:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | is it *really* an issue? instances that make it to 16GB will be rare. So if you design with a mediumtext, then physical ram isn't an issue. | 00:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: | 00:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | but if you have to go with a largetext then it might *still* not be an issue as anything handling that much traffic, is probably on some serious hardware. | 00:25 |
+perlmonkey2 | although, having 4GB of physical ram available is still not very normal. | 00:25 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's pretty rare | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | look at PB's hosting options | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | of course, who is going to host a 160 MB survey/dataform on one of those? | 00:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm just thinking about results. plus *every* time someone submits and answer or makes a change to the survey, the entire thing is loaded from the DB. If it is large, that just feels ugly. | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | maybe answers should continue to be kept separate | 00:38 |
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+perlDreamer | apeiron, preaction_: I need a bug consult, please | 01:03 |
@preaction_ | which bug? | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | I just found it | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | check out lib/WebGUI/Form/Hidden.pm | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | toHtmlAsHidden | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | now, suppose you want to set the value 0 as your hidden value | 01:03 |
+perlDreamer | what is $value in that sub? | 01:03 |
@preaction_ | probably $self->get('value') without any quotes, special characters, or macros | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | it's '', empty string | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | due to the || '' at the nd | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | so you can't set 0 as the hidden value | 01:05 |
@preaction_ | it my version it's only the "name" parameter that has that || '' | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | what rev are you at? | 01:06 |
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@preaction_ | dunno, working on a client project | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | 7.4? | 01:06 |
@preaction_ | 75 | 01:07 |
@preaction_ | oh, i see, at the end of my $value | 01:07 |
@preaction_ | that should probably be changed to a defined check | 01:07 |
@preaction_ | or would that even be necessary? | 01:08 |
@apeiron | || is truth | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | it's necessary if you want to use 0 as a value :) | 01:08 |
* perlDreamer really wants 5.10 now | 01:08 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Yeah, likewise. | 01:08 |
@apeiron | 0 or the empty string for that matter. | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | from what I can ack in Form, Radio, Checkbox and Hidden are all affected | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | well, empty string would give you the empty string, which is fine | 01:09 |
@preaction_ | no, i mean checking for defined. what does $string = undef . "something"; equal? | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | something | 01:09 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Empty string would still fail truth testing. | 01:09 |
@apeiron | perlbot, false | 01:09 |
perlbot | undef, 0, "", "0" | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | yes apeiron, but in that case $value = '' || ''; | 01:10 |
@apeiron | ah, right. | 01:10 |
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+perlDreamer | hey, the man himself | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I think I found a bug in the recent Form changes | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | if you have time, please check out Form/Hidden, ToHtmlAsHidden, and consider if I want to set the value 0 | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | I have a patch that adds checking for 0 to the tests for Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, and a patch that fixes it in Hidden and Checkbox (Radio was okay). | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | If I commit that patch, will I break something else? | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | preaction_: it's in 7.5.10, the last released beta | 01:26 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: never mind. It's much older than the recent form fixes. | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | it's from rev 4152 | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | very, very old | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | I'll commit the tests and patches | 01:31 |
+perlDreamer | I spent an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't edit the first product variant, #0 | 01:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6318 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): | 01:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, which wouldn't allow | 01:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: a value of zero to be set in them. It was translated to | 01:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: the empty string. | 01:41 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: all the collateral work is done | 02:18 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Merging in functioning variants. | 02:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed bugs in getIndexedCollateralData. | 02:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added variants to the view template. | 02:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Updated all Product templates to display variants and controls. | 02:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): Help for the variant template variables in the Product template. | 02:53 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: customize some Sku methods for Product | 03:40 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6322 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: It's okay to delete the Product Wobject now. | 03:40 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: you keep saying that responses should be kept seperate.....I think you are on to something :P | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | no, it's just the virus talking | 04:01 |
+perlDreamer | my short term memory is questionable | 04:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: because do you know how attractive it is for to me to think of getting a request, grabbing the entire survey from a few JSON columns, and then not having to do anymore queries? That is just too sexy. | 04:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | could even make everything JSON enabled classes. | 04:03 |
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* perlDreamer shudders at an all JSON asset | 04:13 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, I just mean the collateral would be objects that know how to turn themselves into/from JSON. | 04:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | but that paradigm kind of breaks the All-In-A-Single-Object that appears to be used currently. | 04:15 |
+perlmonkey2 | not that I'm saying that is wrong, as wG is obviously a nice piece of softwar.e | 04:15 |
+perlDreamer | oh, well in that case (and since I just wrote one that way), that's okay | 04:19 |
+perlDreamer | hm, maybe I can get MrHairgrease to tutor in me in advanced WebGUI::Product usage tomorrow. | 04:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | hmm, I'm thinking it might be a good time to buy some Yahoo stock. | 04:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | They were devalued by a scary statemt. | 04:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | surely they weren't just that overvalued before the scary statement. | 04:22 |
+perlDreamer | I think they were pumped up by the chance of being purchased. | 04:23 |
+perlDreamer | and have probably returned to a normal level | 04:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh, yeah. Looks like Feb 08 is when the offer first surface.d | 04:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | now they are back to slightly over what they were. | 04:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | What Balmer can giveth, Balmer can taketh away. | 04:23 |
@apeiron | I was reading about that on some business site or another and the finance folk are talking about it with complete disregard for anything but moneymaking opportunities: nothing along the lines of personal integrity or what the purchase would actually do to the tech world. | 04:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | it would change the internet quite a bit. MS would have a lot more clout to spread their poison online. | 04:25 |
+perlDreamer | I heard that a prominent open source developer is incensed at MS's actions. | 04:26 |
@apeiron | This is news? | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | sure :) | 04:26 |
+perlDreamer | i'm gonna take a break for a while | 04:27 |
@apeiron | Have fun, then. | 04:28 |
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patspam | has anyone successfully played with Survey 2.0? I've installed the WebGUI_Survey2 branch but am getting "Unknown column 'exitURL' in 'field list' when trying to add a Survey object | 07:34 |
+Radix-wrk | man.. if you posted that like half an hour earlier you might've got a response from perlmonkey2 (who is the one working on Survey 2.0) | 07:38 |
+Radix-wrk | he's honestly the best one to talk to if you have issues with Survey 2.0 at this stage | 07:39 |
patspam | ah bugger. ok, I'll send a note out to the dev list asking if it's usable yet | 07:44 |
patspam | or is there a spec/overview document floating around? I just want to check out what the planned features | 07:45 |
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virgomoon | I'm getting the following error in my http-error log .. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'userProfileData.fieldData' in 'field list' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." .. I checked that userProfileData table and 'fieldData' isn't there .. does that sound familiar to anyone? | 16:16 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:36 |
virgomoon | morning | 16:40 |
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+perlmonkey2 | what's new today? | 17:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer where are you? slacker. | 17:12 |
+perlmonkey2 | So I've never seen this in a wobject, but is there any harm in building insideout objects in a module? Just little mini packages to abstract some data away? | 17:13 |
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+perlmonkey2 | rizen: Would you have a problem with me adding some helper classes to the bottom of Survey.pm? I want to move sections,questions,answers into JSON columns in the survey table, but want some nice clean code to wrap the handling of that data in. | 17:47 |
@rizen | go for it | 17:49 |
@rizen | clean code is good | 17:49 |
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+snapcount | anyone know of a cpan module or built-in that is similar to the frequency function in excel? | 17:58 |
+snapcount | i.e., for generating histograms | 17:58 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: A Mixin wouldn't be a better solution? | 18:01 |
@rizen | pm2 are you arguing against yourself? | 18:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh, yes | 18:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | I do that all the time. | 18:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | If I'm spending any serious amount of money, I will debate myself forever. | 18:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm surprised I am able to ever decide anything. | 18:03 |
@rizen | just get it done already | 18:04 |
@rizen | how is that for motivation? | 18:04 |
+snapcount | ahh found it... nm | 18:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: V1 is supposed to go into a real beta today. I'm in the process of moving it to the production test machines. | 18:05 |
+perlmonkey2 | it is getting there, even if I have to take a cattle prod to these guys, they will decide upon a feature set and stop whining. | 18:06 |
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doc7777 | Hello friends. I have a quick theme question that has me stumped. Using the DCarter80 theme the author says to "User can easily shift color (including the logo) by linking the style template to different .css color files.". How do you do this very thing? | 18:10 |
doc7777 | I usually use linux so my mind snaps to a symlink but being we are talking about a webgui theme I am clueless. :-) | 18:11 |
BartJol | in the template you refer to your css file\ | 18:12 |
BartJol | in the head section | 18:12 |
BartJol | just find the url of the desired colorscheme css and replace the current colorscheme css | 18:13 |
BartJol | it is possible there is more than one, so be a bit carefull | 18:13 |
doc7777 | I cannot seem to edit the template. It goes to a failsafe page and when you click edit it just refreshes the page. Maybe I am in the wrong place... | 18:14 |
+perlmonkey2 | doc7777: You'll probably have to create your own css file as a snippet. Then link to that. | 18:14 |
BartJol | a, was a step further, thought that the snippets were qalready there :) | 18:15 |
doc7777 | It has a "style" then "green, blue , orange.css" snippets. They say to link the style to the .css. That is where I am clueless ;) | 18:15 |
BartJol | via what exact route are you trying to edit your template? | 18:16 |
doc7777 | http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/theme-dcarter-80#LdAZc7SCyEj8oY62Prcylg is the theme. | 18:16 |
BartJol | is your template already submitted (the version tag with the template in it, it is?) | 18:17 |
doc7777 | Yea, and it shows on the site. Its just the theme is green when we want blue ;) the url would be: /dcarter80_style7?func=edit | 18:18 |
doc7777 | but that just refreshes the page you are looking at. | 18:19 |
BartJol | mm, having a problem with importing it, probably one of my settingsd | 18:21 |
BartJol | so | 18:21 |
BartJol | and if you go to the asset manager, you should see an object called dcarter80_style | 18:22 |
BartJol | ? | 18:22 |
doc7777 | Aye I see that | 18:22 |
BartJol | what type is it? | 18:22 |
doc7777 | Template | 18:22 |
BartJol | mmm, and if you press the according edit link? | 18:23 |
doc7777 | When here I see a nice formated blue and white admin page: /dcarter87?func=manageAssets | 18:23 |
BartJol | so that's a template you can edit? | 18:24 |
doc7777 | When I click the edit link beside the _style I get a fail safe page at /dcarter80_style7?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets listing all the dcarter files. | 18:24 |
+snapcount | holy crap | 18:24 |
+snapcount | do you guys know if perldreamers cpan id is colink? | 18:25 |
+snapcount | If it is him then I'm mailing a beer to Oregon | 18:25 |
doc7777 | Clicking edit again just refreshes that same page. Seems odd. ;) | 18:25 |
doc7777 | No idea here snap... | 18:25 |
BartJol | ok so that's a folder with the according css files | 18:26 |
BartJol | could be colin | 18:26 |
+snapcount | I think he's the author of Statistics::Descriptive | 18:26 |
+snapcount | which is a very nice module | 18:26 |
+snapcount | I just assumed WebGUI was his entire life =D | 18:26 |
BartJol | but your template, is the one you just had | 18:26 |
+snapcount | I'll have to ask him later | 18:27 |
BartJol | probably in the head section there's something like: <link href="^/;dcarter_style7/green.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> | 18:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6323 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Major updates to spec | 18:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6324 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Major updates to spec | 18:27 |
BartJol | colin is a workaholic, so I assume it's quite possible | 18:28 |
doc7777 | I have a DCarter folder with all the files in it. When I click edit beside the style it just goes to fail safe and lists the files again. Maybe it cannot parse the template? | 18:28 |
BartJol | you should use that template for a page, the asset manager pages are just for managing | 18:30 |
BartJol | and their template is not easily configured | 18:30 |
doc7777 | hehe, yea I figured as much. I mean when I try and edit the Dcarter80_style it will not. | 18:31 |
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BartJol | jee , hard to tell what's going wrong, without seeing this | 18:31 |
BartJol | and I'm afraid I have to go | 18:31 |
doc7777 | Yea, been working with it about an hour and I need to go to. Thanks! | 18:31 |
BartJol | well, then we both have to go\ | 18:32 |
BartJol | that's a relief | 18:32 |
doc7777 | Till then! waves | 18:32 |
BartJol | are you back later today? | 18:32 |
doc7777 | sure | 18:32 |
BartJol | ok, i will be in 5 or 6 hours | 18:32 |
doc7777 | bout the same here. Maybe we can resolve it then ;) | 18:32 |
BartJol | ok, see you latrer | 18:32 |
doc7777 | Thank you so much for the help | 18:32 |
doc7777 | ok | 18:32 |
BartJol | no problem | 18:33 |
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+perlmonkey2 | hmm, I can't figure out why wG is resending static files that have not been altered since their last modified date. I'm looking at teh headers in firebug, and the headers are correct, the files should not be resent. | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Are you sure that it's wG sending them, or the browser requesting them regardless of the header settings? | 19:42 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm looking at the request headers which are including if-modified-since | 19:43 |
+perlmonkey2 | which in the file I'm testing with, is two hours ago. | 19:43 |
+snapcount | hey perlDreamer - are you the author of Statistics::Descriptive? | 19:43 |
+perlDreamer | Yes | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | well, maintainer | 19:44 |
+snapcount | you rule man | 19:44 |
+snapcount | I'm using that package and it saved me a ton of work | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | You think so? It's actually one of the more maligned CPAN modules out there. | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | Jon Orwant hates it | 19:44 |
+snapcount | is there something that is supposedly better? | 19:44 |
+snapcount | I couldn't find anything that would allow you to do frequency distribution with specific bins | 19:45 |
+snapcount | except your module | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | He says it's just very slow, and not well suited to an OO paradigm | 19:45 |
+snapcount | well it works great for me =) | 19:46 |
+perlDreamer | cool! | 19:46 |
+snapcount | now if I could find a module to generate the graph rotated 90 deg =P | 19:46 |
+snapcount | in text | 19:46 |
+snapcount | I have a bell curve on it's side lol | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | well, you're working with a valid sample then :) | 19:47 |
+snapcount | indeed | 19:49 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, For 'hating' it, Mr. Orwant hasn't said a word of such on the module review page. | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | No, he just published a book with his comments :) | 20:02 |
+perlDreamer | and I shouldn't say hate, that's my perception of his evaluation of the module | 20:02 |
@apeiron | Ah, the Algorithms book? | 20:04 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:04 |
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+perlDreamer | dionak: did you ever find the solution to the mystery of unloadable custom macro? | 20:47 |
dionak | no, i haven't yet. i will return to it in the next couple of days | 20:51 |
dionak | i'll share what i find | 20:52 |
dionak | i'm busy doing project design, atm | 20:52 |
dionak | thanks for asking | 20:53 |
+perlDreamer | np. I'm completely stumped, so I'm curious as to what the resolution is. | 20:55 |
dionak | i am too. it's definitely not path related, i've discovered. right now, i'm inclined to think it's a permission issue | 20:55 |
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lisette | hello, i need obtain the survey_responseId when the user complete the survey, how to do? | 20:58 |
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lisette | ? | 21:03 |
+perlDreamer | lisette, you need to tell us more about what you're trying to do | 21:04 |
+perlDreamer | do you want that in a template, or in some code? | 21:04 |
lisette | wait me | 21:07 |
lisette | ya lo hice | 21:15 |
lisette | a query in the table Survey_response | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | by userId? | 21:15 |
+perlDreamer | ordered by endDate. That should do it | 21:16 |
+perlmonkey2 | What do you do when you ask someone a rhetorical question and they answer it incorrectly? | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | laugh politely and explain what they did wrong | 21:20 |
+perlDreamer | No, I'm sorry. Toilets don't swirl clockwise in Australia due to magnetic fields working on slight charged water molecules | 21:21 |
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lisette | orderby endDate | 22:04 |
lisette | desc | 22:05 |
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lisette | perlDreamer, the congress that there is going to have to learn how to handle the API WebGUI? or for anything else? | 22:58 |
+perlDreamer | lisette, the topics for the conference are all over the place. This year, there are not many sessions about the WebGUI API. | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/schedule | 23:01 |
+perlDreamer | Building Advanced Workflows, URL and Content Handlers, WebGUI Search are about pieces of the API | 23:02 |
+perlDreamer | A lot of the conference is introducing the new WebGUI 7.5 features | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | Commerce | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | Thingy | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | Survey 2.0 | 23:03 |
lisette | all is in english? | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:03 |
lisette | ok | 23:03 |
lisette | which the cost? | 23:03 |
lisette | which is the cost | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/registration | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | $500 for two days | 23:03 |
+perlDreamer | The Hotel where the conference is has discount rates of $124/night, but there's also a hostel down the street. | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/wuc/hotel-information | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | they'll feed you lunch at the conference each day | 23:05 |
lisette | The event lasts only 2 days? | 23:05 |
+perlDreamer | this year, yes | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | last year it was 3 days long | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | people voted to have more classes at the same time, but for fewer days | 23:06 |
preaction__ | there's the designers session beforehand too | 23:06 |
preaction__ | well, i think it's a basic tutorial for designers and content managers | 23:06 |
+perlDreamer | lisette was asking about coder's talks and stuff | 23:06 |
lisette | ok, thanks | 23:07 |
+perlDreamer | Does anyone know if there are still open seats for the conference? | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | Last year it sold out. | 23:11 |
lisette | what is mean the combo? | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | on the registration form? It means to buy tickets for the workshops (which happen before the conference) and the conference itself. | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | combo = combination | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | combinacion | 23:13 |
+perlDreamer | compra boletos para la conferencia y clases addicionales | 23:14 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol, when 7.5 is released, you are going to be a very busy man | 23:15 |
lisette | what is the different? | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: speaking of translation, is the new Survey 2.0 fully i18n'ed and documented in the help system | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | entre las clases y la conferencia? | 23:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: not yet | 23:18 |
BartJol | oh | 23:18 |
BartJol | why? | 23:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | we're getting a V1 prelim out, and then I'll take a week to add all the V2 stuff they want and make it ready for WebGUI. | 23:18 |
+perlmonkey2 | BartJol: there wasn't time. | 23:19 |
BartJol | so all the versions that didn't come out, stack up? | 23:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | ? | 23:19 |
BartJol | Am I that drunk? | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, new commerce system, new assets | 23:20 |
BartJol | oooh | 23:20 |
+perlDreamer | BartJol, there is going to be a huge work released in 7.5.11 | 23:20 |
BartJol | pinda's | 23:20 |
BartJol | or peanuts... | 23:21 |
lisette | bye | 23:23 |
BartJol | when's that all going to take place? | 23:23 |
+perlDreamer | the end of may | 23:23 |
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BartJol | ah, the second week of june, i'm sailing, so I've gat 1 week then | 23:24 |
BartJol | that's gonna be fun | 23:26 |
BartJol | oh, that's my own deadline.. otherwise arabic will catch up :) | 23:27 |
+perlDreamer | dude, you're so far ahead of them | 23:27 |
BartJol | only 10 % | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | but they haven't touched the translation for a long time | 23:28 |
+perlDreamer | a very long time | 23:28 |
BartJol | gotta keep my status | 23:28 |
BartJol | It's the only one I got :) | 23:33 |
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BartJol | has anybody seen citronized? I promised to help the French connection | 00:04 |
+perlDreamer | havent' seen him today | 00:07 |
BartJol | he was here 6 hours ago and would be back | 00:07 |
BartJol | (around this tine) | 00:07 |
BartJol | bu thanks | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2008-05.log | 00:08 |
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BartJol | ok, this tells myself something about maybe going to sleep, I meant doc7777 | 00:27 |
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+perlDreamer | BartJol: Haven't seen him either | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | You can go to sleep :) | 00:39 |
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BartJol | ah, well | 00:43 |
BartJol | then let's be wise, so bye! | 00:43 |
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+perlDreamer | hail, preaction! | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | what have you been up to? | 01:13 |
@preaction | HAI! | 01:14 |
@preaction | fixing approval processes to be more easily pluggable | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | japanese? | 01:14 |
@preaction | no, i missed the L in HAIL | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | mysql++: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/284926989/article.pl | 01:16 |
@apeiron | er. They decided to maintain status quo. By that logic, we should all get ++ every second we don't change. :) | 01:25 |
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@preaction | yeah, mysql-- and sun-- for scaring people like that | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | honestly, I think that's the remarkable part of the affair | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | they announced that they were going to do something bad | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | realized it was bad | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | then changed their minds | 01:38 |
+perlDreamer | the best would have been not to have done it at all | 01:38 |
@preaction | realized it was bad is a euphamism for "realized major amounts of money could be lost" | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | good to see that the psychic link is back up :) | 01:40 |
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dionak | hey, if anyone knows itnomad (jack), let's have a private conversation. | 03:52 |
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doc777 | Anyone tried the DCarter80 theme that is in the addon section theme. It comes in 3 colors and you are supposed to be able to change it by "linking the style template to different .css color files.". I have spent a few hours trying to figure out how to do this. If I click "edit" on the DCarter80_style it just refreshes the page and does not show an edit page. What am I missing here? | 06:04 |
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+perlDreamer | doc777: BartJol was here earlier looking for you. | 06:15 |
+perlDreamer | cap10morgan: contgratulations on your PBWG! | 06:15 |
doc777 | Thank you, I got in a bit late. Maybe I can catch him in the morning ;) | 06:17 |
+perlDreamer | I'm sure he'll be back after he gets some sleep. | 06:17 |
doc777 | Is there a way to extract files from a .wgpkg outside of webgui? | 06:41 |
@preaction | tar xf | 06:44 |
@preaction | i'm not sure if wgpkg are gzipped or not | 06:44 |
@preaction | either they're just tarred, or they're tarred and gzipped | 06:44 |
doc777 | will try that, thanks! | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | file .wgpkg should tell you the format | 06:45 |
doc777 | Got it extracted. Mostly .json files so not really what I was looking for. ;) | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | all the data is in there, just in JSON format | 06:52 |
@preaction | it's all the columns from the database | 06:52 |
doc777 | I have a template file dcarter80_style that will not let me edit it. It has a line in it pointing to the wrong snippet but I cannot get into it to change. Either through webgui or the file system. Also cannot seem to actually just download it, edit, upload like you would do with ftp. | 06:55 |
doc777 | Was hoping to extract it, edit it, then upload it. But thats in a .json format and not a template so wrong turn there. | 06:56 |
doc777 | But I did get to look into the file and find the line that needed to be changed. Just no way seeable to change it. | 06:56 |
@preaction | open that up in a text editor, but if it won't let you edit from the web interface, i doubt it'll let you overwrite using a package | 06:56 |
@preaction | did you try copying and changing your copy? | 06:57 |
@preaction | is it locked? does the yellow lock icon show up in the asset manager? | 06:58 |
doc777 | Hrm, let me give that a shot. When I click "Edit" it simply refreshes the page. | 06:58 |
@preaction | check the error log? | 06:58 |
@preaction | with log level set to WARN or higher? | 06:58 |
doc777 | It is showing "unloacked". I didnt find anything in the webgui log about it. (unsure on how to set the log level to a higher setting) | 06:59 |
doc777 | er unlocked.... | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | etc/log.conf | 06:59 |
@preaction | WebGUI/etc/log.conf, look for ERROR, change it to WARN | 06:59 |
doc777 | Will do... | 07:00 |
@preaction | you'll have to restart the webserver afterwards, of course | 07:01 |
doc777 | I find myself doing that a whole lot ;-) | 07:02 |
doc777 | Aha! Thank you for the log tip. Unable to find object error. I commented out the: "templateParsers" : ["WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTML::Template::Expr"], | 07:07 |
doc777 | | 07:07 |
doc777 | and it let me edit. Thank you! | 07:07 |
@preaction | seems like there are some errors that need to be bumped up in severity | 07:10 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I suspect that the default log level could be left at warn if all the errors were set appropriately. | 07:13 |
@preaction | so 404 gets bumped down to info? | 07:14 |
@preaction | 404 is the one that shows up the most when you put loglevel warn | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | 404? | 07:14 |
+perlDreamer | that's a httpd error | 07:14 |
@preaction | Asset Not Found, then | 07:15 |
+perlDreamer | A04 | 07:15 |
doc777 | The top of this template uses: </tmpl_if> I am guessing that will require the Template::Expr parser or will the default do it? | 07:23 |
+perlDreamer | depends on what the other end of the <tmpl_if> look like | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | tmpl_if is supported in both | 07:24 |
+perlDreamer | it's the boolean that can be different with Expr | 07:24 |
doc777 | its a line like: <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> <tmpl_var controls> | 07:26 |
doc777 | </tmpl_if> | 07:26 |
+perlDreamer | that will work in regular, old HTML::Template | 07:26 |
doc777 | Great! Thank you ;) | 07:26 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6325 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Data Form field names changed on edit | 10:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6326 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Collaboration RSS link in header doesn't indicate title | 10:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6327 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (sbin/userImport.pl docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: userImport.pl overwrites settings when updating users | 10:51 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6328 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.36 release | 10:51 |
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BartJo1 | grrr some people ar stupid | 16:51 |
BartJo1 | even more than me, that is | 16:51 |
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BartJo1 | morning to you Scott | 16:52 |
SDuensin | Greetings and stuff. | 16:56 |
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jua1 | i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to ldap? | 17:39 |
jua1 | excuseme | 17:39 |
jua1 | can i change it to WebGUI? | 17:39 |
BartJo1 | dunno | 17:41 |
Doc777 | I really cant guide you on that (new myself) But I am using webGUI auth and seems fine. | 17:41 |
BartJo1 | Doc777 already some succes with your greenbluered template] | 17:43 |
BartJo1 | ? | 17:43 |
Doc777 | Anyone know what makes a theme look fine when admin is on but when off the site shows failsafe? No version tag to commit. | 17:43 |
Doc777 | Ah yes, Bart. Last night I saw someone mention setting logging to WARN so I did that and found in the log file there was an error about Template::Expr. I commented that line out and restarted apache and it let me edit it now ;) | 17:44 |
BartJo1 | are you sure it is the same url | 17:45 |
Doc777 | Well it is the main url to the site. I tried clearing the cache, cleared browser cache. When logged in as Admin the template looks good. When Admin is off it is non existent and failsafe. | 17:46 |
BartJo1 | maybe the security settings for the template are not good | 17:47 |
Doc777 | Looked over them and they are set to Everyone view. Maybe I should reset them again for good measure. | 17:47 |
BartJo1 | so the page and style layout are both visible for everyone? | 17:48 |
Doc777 | Yea, who can view is set to everyone on both. | 17:49 |
BartJo1 | well, that's one thing that is correct :) | 17:50 |
Doc777 | Hehe, yes it is | 17:50 |
BartJo1 | mmm, then it becomes harder to tell, thinking... | 17:51 |
BartJo1 | I am deep thought :) | 17:52 |
Doc777 | It's ok, it has become a quest. Restarting random things at the moment ;) | 17:53 |
BartJo1 | just give me admin rights, so I can look :) | 17:54 |
BartJo1 | maybe it's a function you're calling | 17:55 |
BartJo1 | what's the template for the user function style in the settings? | 17:55 |
Doc777 | Not sure I follow you. Let me find that ;) | 17:56 |
BartJo1 | eeeh, it's in the settings, not sure which tab | 17:56 |
Doc777 | If the site was actually on the web I would but it is on our LAN until complete ;-) | 17:57 |
BartJo1 | it's in the tab UI | 17:57 |
Doc777 | Well I set it to the same as the site but nothing seemed to change. | 17:59 |
BartJo1 | too bad... want more power!! | 17:59 |
BartJo1 | mmm | 18:00 |
Doc777 | I am sure it would help ;) | 18:00 |
BartJo1 | so the next thing I can think of is a strange thing in the template, which is opened in the things that are visible for admin | 18:01 |
BartJo1 | but that would be strange | 18:01 |
Doc777 | Possibly | 18:01 |
BartJo1 | yeah, well | 18:02 |
BartJo1 | that's about it, for what I can think of... | 18:03 |
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Doc777 | That seems to be the case. I changed to another template and it worked fine. I changed back to this one and if admin is on it is fine but users see fail safe. So that has to be it. You are a genious! | 18:04 |
Doc777 | ;) | 18:04 |
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BartJo1 | jee, that's something new for me | 18:06 |
BartJo1 | well then fix your template.. | 18:06 |
Doc777 | It was downloaded from the add on section but I am guessing that has to be the issue as that is the symptoms. | 18:07 |
dionak | which one did you download? | 18:09 |
Doc777 | Theme: Dcarter 80 | 18:09 |
BartJo1 | but I think they have all clean url's | 18:10 |
BartJo1 | where are they? | 18:10 |
BartJo1 | mm that looks good, in my import | 18:11 |
BartJo1 | i have no problems | 18:12 |
BartJo1 | http://webgui.bartjol.nl/home | 18:12 |
Doc777 | Maybe this is an issue: In the asset tree you have ROOT > HOME | I have a folder called ROOT > STUFF and the template is in there. When I placed it in the HOME folder it showed up in various places on the site and in the navigation and such ;) Do you think this is the issue? | 18:13 |
BartJo1 | it's about url's | 18:14 |
BartJo1 | and those are fixed in the package | 18:14 |
BartJo1 | it shouldn't matter | 18:14 |
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Doc777 | ok | 18:14 |
BartJo1 | mind the word shouldn't ;) | 18:15 |
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Doc777 | Found a clue in the apache log. 404 on the .css | 18:16 |
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BartJo1 | did you replace green with a good alternativ | 18:18 |
BartJo1 | e | 18:18 |
BartJo1 | eeh.... you lost one 7?!? | 18:18 |
BartJo1 | is the css file available for everyone then? | 18:19 |
Doc777 | Well here is the odd part. The actual snippet is called graceblue14.css and apache is looking for graceblue.css | 18:19 |
BartJo1 | is that the url or the title? | 18:20 |
Doc777 | The graceblue14 is the url, the graceblue is the title. | 18:21 |
BartJo1 | and the url to the css in the template and the url of the css match I suppose.. | 18:21 |
Doc777 | From the site you can pull up /graceblue14.css and display the code. But /graceblue.css gives a 404. | 18:22 |
BartJo1 | but what are the security setting of graceblue14 | 18:22 |
BartJo1 | because in admin mode it does show doesn't it? | 18:22 |
Doc777 | yea... shows fine in admin mode. Failsafe when not. Security is set to Everyone can view. | 18:23 |
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BartJo1 | mmm getting desperate | 18:26 |
Doc777 | I think you hit on the right thing with the url in the template. It seems it needs to be set to the actual url of the snippet. (14). That probably got thrown off by having to reinstall the theme so many times because of the Template::Expr issue. | 18:26 |
Doc777 | I think we are onto something as the colors are appearing ;) | 18:26 |
BartJo1 | whoa | 18:26 |
Doc777 | Hey thats a big thing for me ;) | 18:26 |
BartJo1 | (small) VICTORY! | 18:26 |
Doc777 | At last ;) | 18:27 |
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BartJo1 | now I will sleep with a comforted heart | 18:28 |
Doc777 | Thank you for so much help Bart. You figured it out through text. That is great! ;) | 18:31 |
BartJo1 | well, it took me some sweat too, but it's really hot right now in the netherlands | 18:31 |
BartJo1 | the cheeses are melting :) | 18:32 |
Doc777 | Ack! Cant have that. | 18:32 |
BartJo1 | we can't live without cheese, except MrHarigrease... | 18:33 |
Doc777 | lol, yea we love it here to. East coast usa. | 18:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6330 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: fixed a problem where no current asset is set | 18:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6331 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetSyndicatedContent.pm: throw warn instead of error | 18:34 |
BartJo1 | but now it's time to sit outside and drink a beer, only I have to find a partner in booze... | 18:35 |
@apeiron | BartJo1, Ship them to JT and pick them up at the WUC! | 18:36 |
Doc777 | There ya go ;) | 18:36 |
@apeiron | They can work the Wisconsin cheese magic on them, too. | 18:37 |
BartJo1 | ah | 18:37 |
BartJo1 | well, but are how am I supposed to maintaion myself till then? | 18:38 |
BartJo1 | wisconic cheese is also good | 18:38 |
BartJo1 | especially with aplle py | 18:38 |
Doc777 | Sure is! | 18:38 |
BartJo1 | apple pie | 18:38 |
BartJo1 | or is it Wisconsinic | 18:40 |
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lisette | I can know that users have been logged to date? | 18:43 |
@apeiron | lisette, You want to know that users have logged in on or before a specific date? | 18:44 |
lisette | today | 18:44 |
@apeiron | ah. | 18:45 |
@apeiron | lisette, The userLoginLog table in the DB has that info. | 18:45 |
lisette | thanks | 18:46 |
BartJo1 | or in the login history in the admin console? | 18:49 |
lisette | how? | 18:49 |
BartJo1 | Gebruiker (identificatie) StatusLogin tijdIP adresUser agentAdmin (3)success10:15am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14Admin (3)success10:12am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14 | 18:50 |
BartJo1 | it's dutch, but anyway | 18:50 |
dionak | there's an icon in the admin console | 18:50 |
BartJo1 | go to the admin console and click on login history? | 18:50 |
BartJo1 | and yes, I use windows... , long live steve balmer! | 18:53 |
BartJo1 | oh eeeh | 18:53 |
BartJo1 | so long, and thanks for all the fish | 18:55 |
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elnino | good morning! This is probably a really dumb question, but I can seem to make this work. | 18:58 |
elnino | hold on. .. | 18:59 |
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elnino | does preaction=JT? | 19:14 |
@preaction | no | 19:14 |
@rizen | no | 19:14 |
@rizen | rizen = JT | 19:14 |
@rizen | preaction = Famous Rockstar | 19:14 |
elnino | oh. I have a long winded explaination of my shortcut request if you want it. =) otherwise, it's ok if you want to close my recent RFE | 19:15 |
@preaction | i'm here for the atmosphere, sometimes the food's okay too | 19:15 |
elnino | =) | 19:15 |
@rizen | give it | 19:15 |
elnino | ok.. don't say I didnt' warn you... | 19:15 |
elnino | Marketing hired a translater to translates a page into about 15 different languages. Their preference is for us to post the pages as they gave them to us "as is". Which I know I can do if I had used one of those by pass directorys. | 19:15 |
elnino | I have choosen not do do this for the following reasons. | 19:15 |
elnino | Their html code was broken, and we wanted to post the pages within webgui so that marketing could modify links and the look of the site, and have that apply to these pages. And Also, as marketing already have done so, are starting to build additional pages underneath these initial pages. | 19:16 |
elnino | follow so far? | 19:16 |
elnino | So back to my request. We are tired of them giving us broken pages, and they want to see the pages on the site (as they delivered them) - so they can see how broken they are, despite our efforts in sending screen shots and explaining what needs to be fixed and that they can see these if they just tested them. | 19:18 |
elnino | So I choose to compromise by posting the pages as is" by using snippets. I choose this method so that marketing can still modify the pages within webgui and create pages underneath. | 19:18 |
elnino | Doing so, I found that I need to have subdirectory under each snippet for the supporting files (which I could avoid if they were posted the way I wanted to) and rather than uploading the same files 10 times over, I was hoping to use shortcuts, because no doubt they'll see their error and I will need to reupload all the files all over again. | 19:18 |
elnino | end-of-story | 19:18 |
elnino | hopefully that makes sense. but I know there are alternative methods, so I'm fine if you don't think others will want "mass shortcutting" functionality. | 19:19 |
elnino | but the reason why I logged on is, that is seems that the snippets (text/html)aren't picking up the conents of the sub directories, so I'm kinda scratching my head right now. | 19:20 |
elnino | paths in the html files they gave us are relative, so I thought the folder under the snippet would work. | 19:22 |
@rizen | the position in the asset tree is irrelevant | 19:22 |
@rizen | the url is what's relevant | 19:22 |
@rizen | so you can have just one folder | 19:23 |
@rizen | and have them all use it | 19:23 |
@rizen | i can't see your html, but let's say they have a folder called "images" that they have stuff in | 19:23 |
@rizen | so the image tag looks like: | 19:24 |
@rizen | <img src="images/this.jpg"> | 19:24 |
elnino | so if a snippet has a image with the url of: "images/header.jpg" does webgui append a / in front of the path? | 19:24 |
@rizen | no | 19:24 |
@rizen | let me continue | 19:24 |
elnino | sorry - we typed at the same time. please continue. | 19:25 |
@rizen | and you have your HTML as a snippet (containing the above tag) with a url of /foo/bar.html | 19:25 |
@rizen | then your images need to have a url of foo/bar/this.jpg | 19:26 |
@rizen | that may sound confusing, but keep in mind that WebGUI's asset tree has absolutely nothing to do with a traditional filesystem | 19:26 |
@rizen | the URLs are completely independent of the structure in the tree | 19:27 |
@rizen | back to your request for RFE | 19:27 |
@rizen | that's a jury rig in the best case scenario. i don't want to encourage that behavior. request denied. | 19:27 |
@rizen | that's as much help as i can provide for now. must get back to work. | 19:28 |
elnino | did you mean foo/bar/images/this.jpg? | 19:28 |
@rizen | no | 19:28 |
@rizen | bar is the .html | 19:28 |
@rizen | bar.html | 19:28 |
@rizen | foo is the folde rname | 19:28 |
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elnino | in the snippet the image path is "images/this.jpg: | 19:28 |
elnino | if anyone followed this, I do understand that placement of the images directory is irrelevant, I only placed it below the snippet so that the url of the images directory was generated automatically for me. However, I think rizen is incorrect. | 19:32 |
elnino | in his example he referenced images/this.jpg and said the url for the image needs to be foo/bar/this.jpg. even though his example the snippet references the images using the image directory? | 19:33 |
elnino | it seems in his example it should be foo/bar/images/this.jpg. Can someone confirm if that was a typo on his part? | 19:35 |
elnino | but for good measure, I'll try what he suggested (without the images directory in the url) | 19:36 |
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elnino | Another question, does webgui drop the .html portion when it's in the middle of a url? in rizen's example: it should be foo/bar/this.jpg, it seems to me that it should be: foo/bar.html/this.jpg? | 19:45 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6332 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update defaultValue in the group field of the PayDriver definition | 19:54 |
topsub | Is there a way i can pull content profiling information in the search results template? | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | search results template? | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | you mean sql report template? | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | wait, never mind | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | the AOI macro | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | ^AOIHits and ^AOIRank | 20:15 |
+perlDreamer | the SQL macro could also be used to pull the results with a custom query | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | if you mean you want content profiling info associated with the search results themselves, that could be very slow since you'd be making a query per asset. But it would work. | 20:18 |
topsub | well when they do a search the results that come back we want to add the content profiling informatin into the template with the results | 20:18 |
topsub | so you will see the File name + content profiling information as a list. If that makes sence | 20:19 |
dionak | he's just saying that would work but be slower | 20:19 |
dionak | i guess that the amount of overhead would be directly related to the number of results in a search query | 20:20 |
topsub | ah alright i will give it a shot | 20:20 |
dionak | and the number of subsequent queries to retrieve the content profile data | 20:20 |
elnino | rizen - can't get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others Thank you for your time. | 20:21 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: when you said unused variables in your email, do you mean existing template variables that aren't used (but could be) or template variables that are never used? | 20:22 |
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dionak | the post indicated, to me at least, that some variables were discovered in the templates to never be used. i was thinking i would need to verify that.. | 20:26 |
dionak | i really haven't looked | 20:26 |
dionak | but i'm pretty good at reverse engineering. | 20:27 |
dionak | plus, i figured i could ask you guys ;) | 20:27 |
+perlDreamer | rizen has found that the more template variables, the slower the render and higher the memory usage | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | so removing those we can would be great | 20:28 |
dionak | ah, good. | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | there was even a plan in place at one time to remove replace i18n labels with i18n macro calls | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | since they're still faster than making template variables | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | and only the ones used are called | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | but I don't know where those plans lie now | 20:29 |
+perlDreamer | I'm guessing they take a back seat to C2 | 20:29 |
dionak | i'm sure they do. commerce seems to be rolling along well from the comments we see | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | there's a lot of progress being made, but it's a huge project | 20:30 |
dionak | it sounds to me like the main goal would be to clean up the templates, make them more standard and accessible via css | 20:30 |
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dionak | yes, it certainly is. | 20:30 |
dionak | i'm looking forward to seeing the end result, and i'm sure others are too. especially the devs. | 20:31 |
dionak | are you working on that project at all? | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | I'm building the product | 20:32 |
dionak | what part are you working on? | 20:32 |
dionak | just curious | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | and translating old products (asset based and commerce based) to the new Sku based product | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | plus testing, I wrote the Shipping drivers, the tax system and some other small things | 20:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | khenn: just want to verify this is you before giving that info out. This is IRC after all. | 20:33 |
@khenn | yes it's me | 20:33 |
@khenn | =) | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: khenn is who you expect him to be | 20:33 |
+perlDreamer | it's the right IP address and username | 20:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | heh | 20:33 |
@khenn | pd keeps track of these things! | 20:33 |
dionak | are people posing as other people? | 20:34 |
@khenn | he knows our IPs!!! | 20:34 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: knowing my ip. That scares me. | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | plus, I have a backup | 20:34 |
+perlDreamer | khenn: which SQL query did you and I disagree over in the In/Out board? | 20:34 |
@khenn | heh I don't remember | 20:35 |
@khenn | what was that, a year ago or more? | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | three | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | I'm surprised y'all have kept me around that long :) | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: there's no one posing as other people so far | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | although someone named BugCrusherMcgirk has tried to impersonate rizen a few times | 20:38 |
dionak | so far... :) | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | and people have tried to come back and be beligerent using other aliases | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | iPhoneGuy == maxScience | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | and some other alias, too, iirc | 20:39 |
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dionak | lol! | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | he's back! | 20:41 |
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+perlDreamer | BugSlasherMcGurk: I don't see any better way to convert Commerce products into Sku products than instancing them one by one. It's going to be slow. | 20:43 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | which side are you instanciating? | 20:44 |
+perlDreamer | Commerce | 20:44 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | you can instanciate the new sku, but noth the other sides | 20:44 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | here's the reason | 20:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | the upgrade will run once per site | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | oh crap | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 20:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | and in one of those upgrade the commerce files will be deleted | 20:45 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | then the subsequent ones won't work | 20:45 |
+perlDreamer | okay, back to the drawing board (SQL) then | 20:46 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | sorry man | 20:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | for the record, i don't mind slow | 20:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | just can't have break | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 20:47 |
@BugSlasherMcGurk | 10 points who can tell me who Slasher McGurk is without looking on google or any other site | 20:47 |
+perlDreamer | I'll just blame you for my faulty thinking, due to the bacterial infection you sent me. | 20:47 |
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@rizen | i said i was sorry about that | 20:48 |
@rizen | my assistant screwed up the order | 20:48 |
+perlDreamer | I get less forgiving when I'm sick | 20:48 |
@rizen | i haven't gotten anything good done on shop in the past two because i've been up at night nursing sick servers | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | uh oh | 20:50 |
@rizen | there are at least 2 servers that are not on my christmas card list anymore | 20:50 |
+perlDreamer | hardware problems? | 20:50 |
@rizen | preaction is right there with me...i don't know how he's still awake | 20:50 |
@rizen | =) | 20:50 |
@rizen | software problems | 20:50 |
@rizen | that are being really hard to diagnose | 20:50 |
@preaction | caffiene pill every morning, i'll probably end up crashing around 5:00p | 20:51 |
+perlDreamer | MrHairgrease write beautiful perl code | 21:15 |
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elnino | rizen - I wasn't able to get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others. Thank you for your time. Much appreciated. | 21:36 |
elnino | no underlying apology and I didn't take anything personally =) thanks though. I know he's always working on webgui to make it even better and I totally understand that you guys have to keep focused on higher priority RFEs and bug reports. I just wish people would use webgui more, it seems it's more popular in england, why would that be? you're based in WI, right? | 21:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'm basedin Portland, Oregon. The Plain Black staff are based out of Wisconsin. | 21:53 |
@apeiron | ... mostly | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | mostly? | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | well, Steve is in Texas | 21:54 |
@apeiron | <-- Pennsylvania | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | Pennsylvania? | 21:54 |
@apeiron | Aye. | 21:54 |
+perlDreamer | Tavis is in Michigan? | 21:55 |
elnino | <-- Minnesota (hiring?) | 21:56 |
+perlDreamer | hiring? | 21:56 |
elnino | [are you] hiring? =) | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | I wish | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | Plain Black does have a request open for a programmer. | 21:57 |
+perlDreamer | It's on their site | 21:58 |
@rizen | elnino | 21:58 |
@rizen | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1210186440_29/foo | 21:58 |
@khenn | yeah PD, when are you finally going to turn us into $dayJob? =p | 21:59 |
@rizen | i built the example i was telling you about | 21:59 |
@rizen | we can't hire perlDreamer | 21:59 |
@rizen | he doesn't live in Wisconsin | 21:59 |
@rizen | remember, we're firing everyone not from wisconsin | 21:59 |
@rizen | =) | 21:59 |
@apeiron | wait, wait | 22:00 |
elnino | hmm. I'm SO close to quiting my job. nice people, but.... | 22:00 |
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@apeiron | khenn, You're *from* Illinois right? | 22:00 |
@khenn | no | 22:00 |
@khenn | wisconsin | 22:00 |
@apeiron | Oh, thought you'd moved. | 22:00 |
@rizen | he was born in wisconsin | 22:00 |
@rizen | lived all over | 22:00 |
@rizen | and came back to wisconsin | 22:00 |
@rizen | to die | 22:00 |
@rizen | =) | 22:00 |
@khenn | I lived in Illinois until I came to work for JT the slave driver | 22:00 |
@rizen | cuz frank is so OOOLD | 22:01 |
@rizen | he has gray hair | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | I'm older than all of you, so be careful | 22:01 |
@khenn | not at the moment I don't =p | 22:01 |
+perlDreamer | and mind your elders | 22:01 |
@rizen | and his whole body is covered in wrinkles and liver spots | 22:01 |
@rizen | at least that's what his wife tells me | 22:01 |
elnino | rizen: You set it up exactly like I originally did. From what I can tell your example has the url of the image was foo/bar/images/this.jpg. I must have had something else going on. No worries about this, I'm going back to do it the way I should have done it the first time around. | 22:02 |
@rizen | no | 22:02 |
@rizen | my image is foo/images/this.jpg | 22:02 |
@rizen | no bar | 22:02 |
@rizen | elnino | 22:03 |
@rizen | feel free to log in and play around | 22:03 |
@rizen | i set that beta site up for you | 22:03 |
elnino | oh good grief. I get it.. | 22:03 |
@rizen | it will last for 24 hours | 22:03 |
elnino | Thank you.... no need.... | 22:03 |
* rizen things elnino should come to the WUC | 22:04 |
@rizen | s/thing/think/ | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | indeed | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | I think she said she applied to come | 22:04 |
elnino | I'm working on it... boss never replied. | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | bosses | 22:04 |
elnino | still looking for money I guess. | 22:04 |
+perlDreamer | did you find a babysitter? | 22:04 |
@rizen | do you work at U of M ? | 22:04 |
elnino | rizen: not to beat a dead horse, but your initial example said: foo/bar/this.jpg | 22:05 |
elnino | =) | 22:05 |
@rizen | sue me | 22:05 |
elnino | We found a daycare center that would be willing to do only a week. | 22:05 |
@rizen | i was in a hurry | 22:05 |
@rizen | and you get what you pay for =) | 22:05 |
elnino | obviously.... nope, I dont' work at the UofM. Small manufacturing. | 22:06 |
elnino | company. | 22:06 |
@rizen | i hear that U of M law department is setting up a WebGUI user group | 22:06 |
@rizen | email tavis@plainblack.com if you'd like to be introduced to them | 22:06 |
elnino | computer manufacturing. | 22:07 |
elnino | thanks for the headsup on UofM. | 22:08 |
elnino | rizen: works like a charm, thanks for being patient. You can certainly close and delte my RFE. =) I was seriously having a brain fart. | 22:12 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: commerce conversion 95% done. I just need to build a short description for the variants. | 22:17 |
+perlDreamer | after lunch | 22:17 |
@rizen | nice doood | 22:22 |
@rizen | wish i could say the same for the rest of the shop | 22:22 |
@rizen | oh crap..i'm late. gotta go | 22:22 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6333 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (Shelf.gif small/Shelf.gif): Added Shelf icons | 22:24 |
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jua1 | i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to WebGUI? | 22:40 |
+perlDreamer | each user's authentication method can be set in 1 of 2 ways | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | 1) From the Users screen in the Admin console | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | 2) Doing it manually in the db | 22:44 |
+perlDreamer | but you'll need to transfer their password over to the webgui db | 22:44 |
jua1 | in the admin console, i have changed it to webgui | 22:45 |
jua1 | i am checking in the users table and all of them have ldap authentication | 22:46 |
jua1 | if i alter the table to WebGUI, have to transfer their password from ldap to webgui? | 22:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 22:48 |
jua1 | if a user has ldap authentication the password is always in ldap, webgui doesn't syncronize the password | 22:50 |
+perlDreamer | I believe that to be true. You can always check the table called authentication to check that. | 22:51 |
jua1 | ok | 22:52 |
jua1 | if in the table authentication is the password, the only thing that i need to do is alter the table users | 22:52 |
@preaction | jua1, no, the authentication table has a particular setup that will require you to edit it. | 22:53 |
jua1 | yes, i am checking | 22:55 |
jua1 | thanks | 22:55 |
jua1 | is more easy to delete all of them and create again using the userimport.pl | 22:59 |
jua1 | can i do that, if i have the users associated to groups? | 23:07 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): add more help about shortdesc length, and use the correct form option to set the length to 30 chars | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | yay! Commerce conversion done! | 23:50 |
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lisette | i do a UserImport with the userImport.pl but i forget put the parameter allowChangePass, i need allow to user to change the password, how to do this? | 00:05 |
+perlDreamer | you could redo the userImport | 00:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6335 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: conversion of Commerce products to Sku products done | 00:06 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6336 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: clean up the old Commerce tables, and close a statement handle | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | otherwise, the data is stored in the authentication table; | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | update authentication set fieldData=1 where fieldName='changePassword'; | 00:09 |
lisette | thanks | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | note that that does it for all users | 00:09 |
lisette | yes | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | good night, preaction | 00:20 |
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Doc777 | Question: I have a flashchat php app installed in a passthrough at ct/flashchat.php. It works great calling it by url. When I try and add this in a http proxy it attached http:// to the link and therefore breaks it. Is there a work around for something like this? | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | Doc777: Use the complete url, including the sitename | 00:29 |
+perlDreamer | of course, one could ask why you'd want to proxy a piece of webgui back into WebGUI | 00:30 |
Doc777 | This is on a vserver which local address is not the same as the DNS address. It uses NAT so not that easy. The reason I am trying to do this is that flashchat is a php app that does not run in webgui? At least I cannot seem to make it do so... So I added a passthru to allow it to run on its on and would like to include it in a page.... | 00:31 |
+perlDreamer | ah, good point | 00:32 |
Doc777 | Pulling up the flashchat.php works great.... But I would love to integrate it into the site. | 00:32 |
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lisette | as I do a load of users with userImport.pl with e-mail each user? | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | it will not send email to the users as you do a new userImport | 00:41 |
lisette | no | 00:41 |
lisette | i need register the user with the e-mail, but the e-mail isn't part of the information of user, is the profile | 00:42 |
+perlDreamer | you can add userProfile fields to the data that you send to userImport.pl | 00:42 |
lisette | like a column? | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | "In addition to the field names above, you may use any valid profile field name." | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 00:43 |
lisette | thanks | 00:43 |
+perlDreamer | name the column the same as the userProfile field | 00:43 |
lisette | i try insert a email with point example: david.algo@algo.com, and this field don't save, why? | 00:45 |
@preaction | anyone else having trouble committing content on latest SVN? | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: since I think I committed the latest SVN, I would say no | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | but I'll try again | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | just committed 6337 | 00:46 |
@preaction | so spectre and committing version tags worked fine? | 00:47 |
lisette | i do this by the administrator console | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | haven't tried that | 00:47 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: manual commit or autocommit? | 00:47 |
@preaction | auto, as default | 00:48 |
@preaction | if the problem is what i think it is, though, it shouldn't matter | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | edited the Welcome article | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | content was accepted | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | no version tag showing | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | (in the adminBar) | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | no lock icon in the edit bar | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | what should I be looking for/attempting to do exactly? | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | and I'm fully up to date, with the exception of the shelf icons from Steve today | 00:50 |
@preaction | i'm seeing it get committed, and then the activity seems to return "undefined", which causes problems | 00:51 |
+perlDreamer | with autocommit, do you need to have spectre actually running? | 00:52 |
* perlDreamer begins to feel foolish | 00:52 |
@preaction | yes | 00:52 |
@preaction | there's a new twist: there are no realtime workflows anymore | 00:52 |
@preaction | all workflows are assumed to be realtime until they take too long, then they're handed off to spectre | 00:53 |
@preaction | i don't know how that works, but that's what happens | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | I'll start spectre, and try again | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | what direct symptom am I looking for? | 00:53 |
@preaction | i don't know how activities are supposed to handle running for 10 seconds, getting stopped, and then starting again when spectre gets to them, but that's what happens | 00:53 |
@preaction | your content doesn't show up | 00:53 |
+perlDreamer | okay, spectre up | 00:54 |
@preaction | the log file, in INFO mode, shows 4 lines: Trying to execute, Completed Activity for Workflow, Could not complete workflow instance in real time, and then Something bad happened | 00:54 |
+perlDreamer | that's not what I got | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | I got my content, and this in the WebGUI.log file | 00:55 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6337 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: prep code for removing the Product macro from webgui.conf file | 00:55 |
@preaction | then it's something over here | 00:55 |
+perlDreamer | 2008/05/07 14:47:03 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mywebgui.conf at http://mywebgui.localdomain:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout | 00:55 |
@preaction | that's a problem, but not the same problem | 00:55 |
@preaction | it would hide the problem i'm seeing though | 00:55 |
@preaction | also, now there's a problem in the upgrade script. a misspelling of a table name i think | 00:56 |
@preaction | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown table 'productparameteroptionss' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 00:56 |
+perlDreamer | that sounds like something I wrote | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | are you up to date? | 00:57 |
@preaction | yes | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | hm | 00:57 |
+perlDreamer | a table by that name exists, with camel case | 00:58 |
+perlDreamer | instead of all lower case | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | and one fewer s | 00:59 |
@preaction | the extra S at the end perhaps? | 00:59 |
+perlDreamer | argh | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | sorry, man | 01:00 |
@preaction | np | 01:00 |
@preaction | i still have the other issue probably | 01:00 |
+perlDreamer | I'll figure out why spectre can't talk to my site | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | and maybe I'll be able to duplicate your problem | 01:01 |
+perlDreamer | committed a fix for that typo | 01:02 |
+perlDreamer | okay, weird | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | spectre --test says everything is okay | 01:04 |
@preaction | weird indeed | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI's spectre screen says everything is okay | 01:05 |
+perlDreamer | but webgui.log is filling up with 2008/05/07 14:53:59 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of mywebgui.localdomain - 5uhHUs8Xqsl2YHe6P5M6KA. <HTML> | 01:05 |
@preaction | i think i figured out my problem, i was setting a defaultVersionTagWorkflow that doesn't exist anymore | 01:06 |
@preaction | but i'm testing | 01:06 |
@preaction | did you restart spectre too? | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | I'm rebuilding the site from scratch to make sure the script works right | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | and translating the commerce takes a while | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | 3-4 minutes for 838 products | 01:06 |
+perlDreamer | Tiffany was kind enough to donate some real-life product data for me to test converting | 01:07 |
@preaction | nice | 01:08 |
@preaction | nevermind though, it's working now | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | oh, good | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | want to fix my site next? | 01:08 |
+perlDreamer | =) | 01:08 |
@preaction | $50 | 01:10 |
@apeiron | opera-- # apparently completely valid XHTML Strict 1.0 isn't good enough for it | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | mine seems to be working now as well | 01:13 |
+perlDreamer | why isn't my computer smart enough to know that "ate" really means "date"? | 01:14 |
+perlDreamer | lisette: about your earlier email address problem. Could you please repeat what's going on? | 01:15 |
jua1 | perlDreamer, lisette is not in the office now but i know the problem | 01:20 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 01:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6338 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix a typo in the name of a Commerce table to be dropped | 01:20 |
jua1 | the problem is, i want to add a user in the admin console and my username name is like juan.gallego and the email will be juan.gallego@algo.com | 01:21 |
+perlDreamer | okay, and it's not working? | 01:22 |
jua1 | yes | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | it could be 1 of 2 problems | 01:22 |
+perlDreamer | 1) emails are required to be unique, so someone else may have that email | 01:22 |
jua1 | then i try to edit the profile and the email doesn't exist | 01:23 |
+perlDreamer | 2) more likely, there is a bug in the email validation code that is rejecting the email address | 01:23 |
jua1 | i am going to check in the database | 01:24 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/email-field-not-accepting-addresses-with-periods-in-them#BL40GDFp4xSv6D3OEwz7iQ | 01:25 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: has the "dot in email address" fix been ported to 7.5? | 01:26 |
@Haarg | i believe so | 01:26 |
@Haarg | hmm | 01:27 |
@Haarg | doesn't look like it | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | jua1: this bug was fixed in WebGUI 7.4.34 | 01:27 |
jua1 | ok | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | are you using 7.4, or 7.5? | 01:27 |
+perlDreamer | becuase the next 7.5 fix won't be out for 3 more weeks | 01:28 |
jua1 | 7.4.32 | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I would recommend upgrading, then | 01:28 |
jua1 | ok | 01:28 |
jua1 | thanks | 01:28 |
+perlDreamer | Don't thank me yet, we don't know for sure that it will fix your problem | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | Pero yo espero que si | 01:29 |
jua1 | eso espero | 01:30 |
jua1 | que si | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | thank you | 01:30 |
+perlDreamer | jau1: in that sentence, is "espero" a noun or a verb? | 01:37 |
jua1 | el verbo es esperar | 01:42 |
jua1 | en la setencia es un noun | 01:44 |
jua1 | when I am saying espero is in that setence is because i have a certain security that the upgrade can correct the errors | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | I understand. You weren't correcting what I was saying. | 01:44 |
jua1 | instead of the verb esperar that is the time while the upgrade is executed | 01:45 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6339 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Form/Email.t: back port additional email address tests | 01:48 |
jua1 | is clear? | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | I think so | 01:49 |
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Doc777 | Anyone know how I can remove the site name text off the top of the site? I have my own graphic there but the site name text displays over the top ;) | 02:08 |
+perlDreamer | Doc777: that would be in your style template | 02:09 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6340 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: begin documenting the Product changes in the gotchas.txt file | 02:09 |
Doc777 | Thank you. Digging through that but does not seem to be there, at least that I can find... Maybe it is obfusacated ;) | 02:10 |
@preaction | it's the ^c; macro, the CompanyName macro | 02:10 |
Doc777 | Something like this one: <h1>^H(^c(););</h1> ? | 02:11 |
Doc777 | Yep, I would have never guessed that was the site name ;) | 02:12 |
@preaction | probably | 02:12 |
@preaction | ^H; for the home page link, ^c; for the company name | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | Doc777: You can find out what macros mean in your website by using the Help system | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | Go to the Help icon in the admin console | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | and choose List of macros | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | it will tell you the name and shortcut for all macros on your site | 02:13 |
Doc777 | Aye but what stumped me was looking for the site name in a lot of code. When actually I was looking for ^c. | 02:13 |
+perlDreamer | preaction: I need to talk through an idea. Do you have 5-10 minutes? | 02:16 |
@preaction | sure | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | so I'm working on the C2 update | 02:16 |
+perlDreamer | In C2, instead of the Product macro, you use the AssetProxy macro instead | 02:16 |
@preaction | ok | 02:17 |
@preaction | I thought Skus were assets now, do we need AssetProxy at all? | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | all existing Commerce products are dropped into a folder off of root | 02:17 |
+perlDreamer | and during the conversion, assets that use them (article, snippet, layout and template) need to be converted to use the AssetProxy macro instead | 02:18 |
@preaction | so assetproxy is just needed as a conversion, in the future we won't really NEED it | 02:18 |
@preaction | but okay | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 02:18 |
+perlDreamer | if you want to display the same product on two pages, you still need AssetProxy | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | but really, you should be using Shelf | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | so during the upgrade, we don't shut down all the WebGUI commerce sites in the world :) | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | So I need to go through that list of assets | 02:19 |
+perlDreamer | and it would be really easy to do it in the db | 02:19 |
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+perlDreamer | but I'm wondering if it would be better to do through the API | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | and actually register a version change | 02:20 |
@preaction | but if they rolled back the version, their asset would break | 02:20 |
@preaction | it wouldn't work as they expected it to | 02:20 |
+perlDreamer | yes, since it would go back to using the Product macro | 02:21 |
+perlDreamer | so you think it would be better to update all revisions of the asset, using the db? | 02:21 |
@preaction | i think it would be faster, easier, and work just as well | 02:22 |
+perlDreamer | it would also allow all the wobjects to be handled in one fell swoop | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | okay, db it is | 02:23 |
+perlDreamer | thanks, preaction | 02:24 |
@preaction | np | 02:24 |
+perlDreamer | I wish you and rizen lots of luck with your recalcitrant servers | 02:24 |
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@preaction | i'm currently coming up with a method to send bolts of electricity over TCP/IP | 02:25 |
+perlDreamer | I'd recommend using POE instead | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | much safer | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | although somewhat limited in quantity of power | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | how much electricity are we talking about here? | 02:26 |
@preaction | enough to shut the system up | 02:26 |
@preaction | make it think long and hard about what it did | 02:26 |
+perlDreamer | I see, you want a voltage paddle | 02:26 |
@preaction | enough so that it does not do it again | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | send it to its room for a timeout? | 02:27 |
@preaction | call it spareNotTheRod.pl | 02:27 |
@preaction | or just TheRod | 02:27 |
+perlDreamer | if we could get a lot of cats, wearing wool socks walking across a carpet... | 02:28 |
+perlDreamer | It's pretty hard, but not impossible to do, with servers on UPSes | 02:30 |
+perlDreamer | the UPSes also act as surge suppressors (big caps) | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | you'd need to do it right at the machine | 02:31 |
@preaction | that's why we'd have to go in through the network cables | 02:31 |
@preaction | they'd never suspect it | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | the network cables are only good for maybe 10W | 02:31 |
+perlDreamer | the server would laugh at that | 02:31 |
@preaction | damn... | 02:32 |
@preaction | can't spank it and not mean it, it'll get even more unruly... | 02:32 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 02:32 |
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cap10morgan | perlDreamer: thanks for the congrats last night :) didn't see it until this morning. | 03:51 |
+Radix-wrk | nice interview cap10morgan - but i have to ask.. why pose with a barbie basketball? :) | 03:59 |
cap10morgan | Radix-wrk: because it's there? | 03:59 |
+Radix-wrk | it looks like you're showing it off ;) | 04:00 |
+Radix-wrk | congrats on the nomination tho :) | 04:00 |
cap10morgan | oh, i am ;) | 04:03 |
cap10morgan | thanks! | 04:03 |
+Radix-wrk | heh | 04:03 |
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+perlDreamer | cap10morgan: you're welcome. Keep up the good work! | 04:17 |
cap10morgan | thanks! :) | 04:18 |
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+perlDreamer | and there's 2/3 of the Product macro conversion done | 05:04 |
+perlDreamer | man I'm getting tired | 05:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6341 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 05:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update all Wobjects, and snippets from using the Product | 05:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Macro to using AssetProxy. The loadProductAsset.pl script is | 05:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: for testing the conversion. | 05:10 |
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+perlDreamer | yo, khenn | 06:01 |
@khenn | what's up dreamer? | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | have you applied/checked my patch yet? | 06:02 |
@khenn | sent it off to the client. No word yet | 06:02 |
@khenn | I assume all is well | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | I tested it, but it's always nice to have other experienced eyes | 06:02 |
@khenn | we'll follow up at some point this week | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | cool | 06:02 |
+perlDreamer | so what's keeping you busy nowadays? | 06:03 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6342 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add templates to the mix. Product macro template scan and update done | 06:35 |
pilaf153 | To run a cascading menu that is a mouseover do you have to use java or are there macros or packages out there that can do this? | 06:37 |
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+perlDreamer | pilaf153: I'd recommend looking at the existing Navigation templates, and the Add Ons section at webgui.org | 06:42 |
pilaf153 | I have been looking through them but cant seem to find one that does what I need. I will keep looking though. | 06:44 |
+perlDreamer | I haven't looked into this for a while, but I seem to remember that Cool Menus will do that. | 06:48 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, Cool Menu is the one | 06:49 |
pilaf153 | that is one that already exists in the install? I am positive I tried all of them. | 06:49 |
+perlDreamer | Yes, it's in the install | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | I've tried it out in the Demo site | 06:50 |
pilaf153 | I will check it again does it need any modification | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1210215898_777/site_map/site_map2 | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | it needs to be customized for your style | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | the one I have is just the default | 06:50 |
+perlDreamer | It's the big green "Home" box in the middle of the banner | 06:51 |
pilaf153 | ok | 06:51 |
pilaf153 | ok I wll play with it and see if I can make it work. Thanks for the info | 06:53 |
+perlDreamer | this add on may be of interest as well: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/accordianstyle-menu-using-jquery--v7_4_30-#jcL74yZTdMuc7SYgvc_j-Q | 06:54 |
pilaf153 | yeah I tried installing this in the latest version and it wasnt wokring | 06:55 |
+perlDreamer | which latest? 7.5 or 7.4? | 06:55 |
pilaf153 | 7.5 | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | topsub seems to be good about taking care of his add ons | 06:57 |
+perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt he'll be looking at it soon | 06:58 |
+perlDreamer | you _could_ come back tomorrow during the day (East code American time) and ask him in the channel | 06:58 |
pilaf153 | cool | 06:58 |
pilaf153 | thanks for all the help. I am out for now | 06:59 |
+perlDreamer | you're welcome | 06:59 |
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SDuensin | Morning | 16:38 |
BartJo3 | good afternoon gentlemen | 16:42 |
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+perlmonkey2 | good afternoon. | 16:44 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6343 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added randomize answers functionality (how was this missing?) | 17:04 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:09 |
BartJo2 | hi | 17:09 |
SquOnk | rizen: You there? | 17:11 |
@rizen | no | 17:12 |
SquOnk | Heh | 17:12 |
SquOnk | rizen: Just to let you know... My sponsor has given the A-OK to the webgui package... | 17:12 |
@rizen | wahoo!!!! | 17:12 |
@rizen | So this will be going into Lenny for sure then? | 17:12 |
SquOnk | rizen: ...I just got mail from the debian-volatile team. They coordinate the way upgrades are handled for packages such as webgui | 17:12 |
SquOnk | rizen: Yes. Target is Lenny and it will be there. | 17:13 |
@rizen | WAHOOOO!!!! | 17:13 |
SquOnk | rizen: I expect an upload over this weekend. | 17:13 |
@rizen | you rule SquOnk | 17:13 |
SquOnk | rizen: Debian Rules | 17:13 |
SquOnk | rizen: Have you tested webgui with Perl 5.10? | 17:14 |
@rizen | no not yet...spending all my time trying to finish up WebGUI 7.5 | 17:14 |
SquOnk | rizen: All right. | 17:14 |
@rizen | after that comes out i'll start playing with Perl 5.10 | 17:14 |
SquOnk | rizen: Lenny will have Perl 5.10 | 17:14 |
@rizen | so i better test then | 17:15 |
@rizen | =) | 17:15 |
SquOnk | rizen: I can tell you the upgrade scripts work since I've just tested them. | 17:15 |
@rizen | i don't think there will be a problem | 17:15 |
SquOnk | rizen: Me neither, but one has to trust but verify | 17:15 |
@rizen | certainly | 17:15 |
SquOnk | http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png | 17:17 |
@rizen | hehe | 17:19 |
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+perlmonkey2 | khenn: What did you think? The editor is still rough around the edges for sure. The options should be more contextualized and the layout cleaned up. But the administration of the survey is coming along nicely I think. | 18:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | dang perlDreamer's day job. | 18:59 |
+perlmonkey2 | doens't he know he needs to be available here 24/7? I need his pager number :P | 18:59 |
@rizen | so do i | 19:00 |
@rizen | unfortunately he makes about 1 billion dollars per second in his day job | 19:00 |
@rizen | if i could afford him, i would have hired him already, just so he's always available to everyone | 19:01 |
@rizen | =) | 19:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | can't you bribe him with cherry referrals to his consulting biz? | 19:01 |
+perlmonkey2 | maybe an unlimited supply of gooey dolls? | 19:02 |
@rizen | i've tried everything | 19:02 |
@rizen | i even tried threatening to withhold gooey dolls | 19:04 |
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@preaction_ | perlbot botsnack | 19:37 |
perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 19:37 |
Doc777 | Anyone able to tell me what I am missing. When uploading a picture to the "Gallery" the thumbnail is not created. And this is logged: "Exception 420: no decode delegate for this image format" .jpg | 19:38 |
lisette | Doc77: Where is your question about this? | 19:40 |
Doc777 | Hrm, well I would like to upload a .jpg picture and have it create the thumbname I guess... It says no decode delate. | 19:42 |
@preaction_ | sounds like Image magick or graphics magick isn't installed correctly, or you're not actually uploading a jpg | 19:43 |
Doc777 | Its a .jpg for sure. so maybe something up with Image Magick. | 19:45 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen: if you have a sec (or anyone else with a thought on the matter), I've been pondering how and if JSON serialization of the survey objects (not the results) would work. I'm thinking a single column in the survey table which would contain the serialized survey object, which contains sections->question groups->questions->answers. The only problem I see is having class instances serialize/deserialize themselves. | 19:53 |
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+perlDreamer | whoa | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | major attendance of PB folk | 20:14 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I'm here now. | 20:16 |
@khenn | is yung around? | 20:17 |
@khenn | perlmonkey2: Haven't had a chance to take a look yet. I plan on doing it shortly though | 20:17 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: what do you think of a single column to contain the entire survey? A serialized data structure of a survey->sections->question groups->answers with objects which know how to handling their own serialization. Then the entire survey can be loaded once, used as needed, then serialized and stored if changes were made? | 20:19 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing (but not by much), that deserealization and loading the data into objects will take a lot less time than 20ms, the minimum time I can make a simple DB all in. | 20:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | So it is easier to use the data, and much faster overall. | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | weren't you saying the other day that a large, monolithic structure wouldn't work because you could whip out a 500 MB survey file and fill all the available physical memory of the server? | 20:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | well, that | 20:21 |
+perlmonkey2 | 's if it included the results. But that woudul be silly | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | oh, I see | 20:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | or at least that's what perlDreamer told me about 5 times :P | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | answers are available choices | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | not responses | 20:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | yes | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | well, in that case | 20:22 |
+perlDreamer | I have no idea, I'll have to think about it further. | 20:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | a response is an instance of a taken survey, a question response is a response toa question, etc. | 20:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | But the only drawback is loading the entire survey into memory upon every call. And if size became an issue, compressing the text wouldn't be hard to add? I mean since it is searlized in the DB, what does it matter if the text is compressed? And all these functions are magnitudes faster than DB calls. | 20:23 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think you'd need in memory compression of the data | 20:24 |
+perlmonkey2 | well, just thinking if someone writes a 10,000 very wordy set of questions, it might be necessary. | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | IMO (read that as the following set of bytes are of low value) that's a performance barrier to cross when we reach it | 20:27 |
+perlmonkey2 | but compression is just sexy :P but I agree. It would be far easier to just have a cap on survey sizes and if they need bigger, just create a second survey which the first redirects to on completion and the user won't notice anything except one of the pages required a reload (which on a fast connection they might not even notice). | 20:28 |
+perlDreamer | agree about sexiness, worried about May 31 being only 22 days and 12 hours away :) | 20:29 |
+perlmonkey2 | bah, I've learned so much, I can rewrite this thing, with the 3x as many requirements, in a week. :P | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | Deal! | 20:30 |
+perlmonkey2 | If only I could stop getting emails asking me to tweak templates so that blue bars are wider, thinner, longer, shorter, maybe I could get someting done. | 20:30 |
+perlDreamer | you need a perlmonkey3 who is in charge of UI customization | 20:31 |
+perlmonkey2 | I have one, but he's slightly more worthless than perlmonkey2 | 20:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | He's actually supposed to be doing the template customizations, but they don't ever get done, so I'm doing them. | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | one small word of advice from someone who is old | 20:32 |
+perlmonkey2 | I have no idea what he did the last 48 hours he had to do this long list of visual changes, but it wasn't doing the visual changes. | 20:32 |
+perlDreamer | While it is good that projects meet deadlines, sometimes it is better that they fail so that issues can be escalated. | 20:33 |
* perlDreamer takes off his yoda robe now :) | 20:33 |
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Doc777 | When trying to install Image::Magick it fails with: "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" The only one that locate finds on the system is: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". Is this what it is looking for or a missing library file... | 21:49 |
Doc777 | I have already downloaded and installed imagemagick but cpan wants to install Perl::Magick. | 21:49 |
dionak | perlmagick is the perl interface for imagemagick | 21:51 |
dionak | so you would need it if you're using image magick with webgui | 21:52 |
SquOnk | aptitude install perlmagick :-) | 21:52 |
dionak | would that install it in the right place? | 21:52 |
Doc777 | That is what I was thinking so was trying to install it. It is searching for MagickCore and the only one on the system is "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". So do I have a missing library? | 21:53 |
dionak | idk. is that what it was looking for, MagickCore.h? | 21:54 |
dionak | if so, maybe it's not in the include path... | 21:54 |
@apeiron | -l indicates a shared library, typically something that ends in .so. .h are C header files, plaintext files containing C source. | 21:57 |
Doc777 | cpan: install Perl::Magick = "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" | 21:57 |
Doc777 | Doing a locate -u and locate MagickCore only shows: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h" | 21:58 |
@apeiron | Doc777, Typically you install Perl::Magick with ImageMagick because the two are... fragile, shall we say. | 21:58 |
Doc777 | Yep, crashed and burned ;) | 21:58 |
dionak | is graphics magick easier? | 21:59 |
Doc777 | Downloaded and installed that to... no errors. But does not work in webgui. | 21:59 |
+perlmonkey2 | We promise they won't take over your spaceship? | 21:59 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, Correct. | 21:59 |
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lisette | . | 22:29 |
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+perlmonkey2 | rizen: the button issue is fixed. But I can't replicated the slider issue in FF or IE7. Perhaps it was caused by the button code failure? | 22:34 |
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@rizen | likely, i'm not seeing it anymore | 22:46 |
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+perlmonkey2 | rizen: well, that is a shaky one to view. I would give you access to the testing machine which has the latest (somewhat)stable, but that is at $work, and I can't give access to non-employees. | 23:20 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6345 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): IE problems apparently resolved, and slider and multi-slider allocate accuracy made bullet-proof. | 23:25 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6346 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: template vars altered | 23:25 |
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knowmad | Hey folks! | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | howdy, knowmad | 23:39 |
knowmad | hi pd | 23:40 |
knowmad | i've got a metadata question for you this afternoon | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | bring it on! | 23:40 |
knowmad | is there a way to create HTMLAreas or other form elements as meta data properties? | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | no | 23:41 |
+perlDreamer | -types=> [ qw /text integer yesNo selectBox radioList checkList/ ] | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | that's from AssetMetaData.pm | 23:42 |
knowmad | why so limited? | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | no idea | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | HTMLAreas are really only special text fields | 23:42 |
knowmad | rizen: why can't i build a metadata property with HTMLArea type? | 23:42 |
@rizen | cuz you can't | 23:42 |
@rizen | how do you like that | 23:42 |
knowmad | that sucks | 23:43 |
@rizen | =) | 23:43 |
@rizen | you can change it if you want | 23:43 |
knowmad | you told me about all these great new goodness in 7.5 data forms and got me excited | 23:43 |
@rizen | there's no technical reason any longer not to support all types | 23:43 |
knowmad | sweet! | 23:43 |
+perlDreamer | so rizen, would a check on dynamicFormCompatible be apropos? | 23:43 |
@rizen | well all dynamic compatible types | 23:43 |
@rizen | see svn WebGUI::Form::Control for details | 23:44 |
@rizen | yes | 23:44 |
@rizen | or just using the FieldType and DynamicField controls in conjunction | 23:44 |
knowmad | would it be an RFE to add ability to manage the types of meta data properties available? | 23:44 |
@rizen | with the new form api in 7.5 there's no real limit | 23:44 |
knowmad | i could see where some sites will want only a limited list | 23:44 |
@rizen | i see no reason to do that, but if you want to submit the rfe go ahead | 23:45 |
@rizen | because it's the admin that sets up the metadata fields | 23:45 |
knowmad | that answers my question | 23:45 |
knowmad | but then every site gets the same list if you modify the Metadata module | 23:46 |
knowmad | no way to control it like you can with the SQL Form asset | 23:46 |
@rizen | do you know what you're talking about knowmad? | 23:46 |
@rizen | or are you just spewing | 23:46 |
@rizen | =) | 23:47 |
knowmad | i know what *I'm* talking about | 23:47 |
knowmad | i think we need to use the Vulcan mindmeld to get it across the ether though | 23:47 |
knowmad | it can wait til the WUC | 23:47 |
knowmad | gives me something to add to my list for you ;) | 23:47 |
@rizen | keep in mind you don't have exclusive access to me at the wuc like you did at GTS | 23:48 |
@rizen | your list needs to be much shorter | 23:48 |
knowmad | i'll let the important ones sort to top | 23:49 |
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@rizen | with data form you're creating multiple forms | 23:50 |
@rizen | with metadata, it's global | 23:50 |
@rizen | to the whole site | 23:50 |
@rizen | only admins set it up | 23:50 |
@rizen | so there's no reason to limit the list | 23:50 |
@rizen | that's what i'm saying | 23:50 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I'm confused. WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->get('types') != WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->getTypes(), right? | 23:51 |
@rizen | right | 23:52 |
@rizen | you can provide a limit to the FieldType function | 23:52 |
@rizen | to only list the ones you want | 23:52 |
@rizen | by default it lists all dynamic compatible types | 23:53 |
+perlDreamer | how does it build that list by default? | 23:53 |
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@rizen | it checks the isDynamicCompatible() method | 23:54 |
@rizen | on all field types | 23:54 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: I'm too sick and stupid to see how that works right now. But I don't see any code that does that | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | by default, I think it builds the empty list | 23:58 |
+perlDreamer | and the code in Operation/ProfileSettings will see that | 23:59 |
@rizen | you are sick | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | muy | 23:59 |
+perlDreamer | mucho | 23:59 |
@rizen | see the getTypes() method in FieldType | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | I see that. Operation/ProfileSettings doesn't use that | 00:00 |
@rizen | i didn't say it does | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | I know. Should it? | 00:00 |
@rizen | yes | 00:00 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 00:00 |
@rizen | and so should metadata, dataform, sqlform, and any other place that uses dynamic field types | 00:00 |
@rizen | currently only the new stuff uses it: ems and thingy | 00:01 |
@rizen | it was written for them | 00:01 |
@rizen | with the intention of being backported to everything else eventually | 00:01 |
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knowmad | OK, now I see the point rizen is making about letting all the data type editors flow into metadata | 00:21 |
knowmad | hey, perlDreamer, sorry to hear you're sick; hope you didn't have what i had last week; I was miserable with flu, fever, sore throat, coughing, congestion, etc. | 00:21 |
+perlDreamer | no, nasal/sinus and eye and low energy | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | it's something that rizen's friend xander came up with | 00:22 |
knowmad | allergies? | 00:22 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6347 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: fix a bug where no data fields where available in the user profile field editor | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | my allergy medicine isn't helping much | 00:22 |
knowmad | bummer | 00:22 |
+perlDreamer | It seems to be getting better though | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | and the Sku/Product is close to being done | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | The Wobject -> Sku Product conversion is done | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | the Commerce -> Sku Product conversion is done | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | and the Product macro conversion is done | 00:40 |
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@rizen | you rock pd | 00:45 |
@rizen | oh, and just to be clear about FieldType and getTypes | 00:45 |
@rizen | getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:45 |
+perlDreamer | it is? | 00:46 |
@rizen | yup | 00:46 |
@rizen | it's not called in new() | 00:46 |
@rizen | but it is | 00:46 |
@rizen | stop being sick | 00:46 |
@rizen | get offline | 00:46 |
@rizen | drink chicken soup | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | that's a handy trick. How did you make it do that? | 00:46 |
@rizen | get some sleep | 00:46 |
+perlDreamer | I'm actually at work today | 00:47 |
@rizen | it's called in toHtml() | 00:47 |
@rizen | cuz whether you leave it empty or you specify types | 00:48 |
@rizen | getTypes() is called | 00:48 |
@rizen | getTypes() is what gives the human readable names to all the types | 00:48 |
+perlDreamer | I think I understand garbled crap now | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | grabled crap is english with the emphasis and punctuation removed | 00:49 |
+perlDreamer | (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | that means that getTypes is called when new is called | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | but you actuall meant this | 00:50 |
+perlDreamer | (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically, if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new | 00:50 |
@rizen | you are starting to understand the basics of garbled crap | 00:51 |
@rizen | =) | 00:51 |
@rizen | gp,yo,d hstn;rf vts[ ;ppd ;olr yjod yjpihj | 00:52 |
@rizen | translated: sometimes garbled crap looks like this though | 00:53 |
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+perlDreamer | that must be graduate level garbled crap | 00:58 |
@apeiron | nono, that's postdoc garbled crap. | 00:59 |
SquOnk | rizen: The package has just been uploaded to the incoming queue. | 01:16 |
SquOnk | rizen: I will receive a message from DAK (the robot) confirming upload. | 01:16 |
SquOnk | rizen: And then I will either receive an accepting message saying that the package will make it into Sid shortly, or a refusing message stating whatever things need to be fixed. | 01:17 |
SquOnk | rizen: If anything needs to be fixed, it will not be packaging form but rather licensing issues that I might have overlooked. | 01:17 |
SquOnk | rizen: In the latter case, I'll be here asking for help :-) | 01:18 |
@rizen | thanks for the update squ0nk | 01:19 |
@rizen | oh...can you please have a look at plainblack.com/tbb | 01:19 |
@rizen | someone asked a question of you out there | 01:19 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6348 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_thingy-templates.wgpkg: Added new dynamic dropdown to let users move between Things | 01:20 |
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SquOnk | rizen: I guess he understood that I was maintaining webgui packages IN Debian :-) I was maintaining MY OWN Debian packages. | 01:26 |
SquOnk | rizen: There were several attempts at packaging WebGUI in Debian but for some reason it never took. | 01:26 |
@rizen | could you reply to him and say that please | 01:27 |
SquOnk | rizen: Sure. I'll do it later from home. I've got to go now. | 01:27 |
@rizen | yeah, i wasn't trying to say that you were doing it in debian all these years. if you were, then there would be no reason to do this blog post and be all excited about it today | 01:27 |
@rizen | ok bye | 01:27 |
SquOnk | See you tomorrow | 01:28 |
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@rizen | does anybody know how to lock a column in open office so that when you scroll right the one colum stays in position while the others move | 05:09 |
@rizen | i think it's called a pivot table in ms excel | 05:09 |
+perlmonkey2 | rizen you mean something like in window where you split the screen on a column? | 05:19 |
@rizen | i guess so | 05:19 |
@rizen | i think it was all one window though when i saw it last | 05:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm not sure if that's what you want, but it should emulate it. | 05:20 |
@rizen | ii don't do advanced spreadsheet stuff all that often though so i don't really know how to ask for it | 05:20 |
@rizen | so how do i do it? | 05:20 |
@rizen | do you know? | 05:20 |
+perlmonkey2 | I think you just select the column you want to keep in view and then Window->split and then the window is split and you can scroll either window. | 05:21 |
@rizen | hmm that doesn't seem to be working for me | 05:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | I once wrote a little app in Calc for figuring out arbitrages for N number of bets, but that was the limit of my "advanced" spreadsheet usage. | 05:22 |
+perlmonkey2 | Doesn't devide into two windows? | 05:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | s/devide/divide/ | 05:23 |
@rizen | i have a spreadsheet that fits across 15 sheets that i use for forecasting pb budgets | 05:23 |
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@rizen | it's a big spreadsheet, but not terribly advanced | 05:23 |
+perlmonkey2 | oh, ic. Yeah, I'm leading you astray. | 05:24 |
knowmad | rizen: how many columns do you want locked? only A? | 05:25 |
@rizen | yeah A | 05:26 |
knowmad | if so, select column B1 then select Window : Freeze | 05:26 |
@rizen | well and if i can get it, then 1 also | 05:26 |
@rizen | both have labels | 05:26 |
@rizen | and i want to see the labels all the way across | 05:26 |
knowmad | if you want column A and row 1 to always be locked, choose B2 then Window : Freeze | 05:26 |
@rizen | ok | 05:26 |
Doc777 | Excuse me, When using a forum is there a way to disable the ratings? | 05:27 |
@rizen | dear god that's awesome | 05:27 |
@rizen | thank you | 05:27 |
knowmad | yw | 05:27 |
@rizen | Doc777, the only way is to remove the ratings from the templates | 05:27 |
@rizen | there's no switch | 05:27 |
@rizen | though that might be a good switch | 05:27 |
Doc777 | Fair enough, thanks ;-) | 05:27 |
knowmad | ++ | 05:27 |
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elnino | not exactly webgui qustion, does anyone know anything about windows-1251 encoding and mysql? | 06:46 |
elnino | maybe I should ask this instead.... Looks like webgui stores it's data as utf-8. Can someone confirm? | 06:52 |
+Radix-wrk | yup, pretty sure it does | 06:53 |
@apeiron | Looking at docs/create.sql, I see lots of CHARSET=utf8 | 06:54 |
elnino | good enough for me.. I was given windows-1252 and it was displaying all weird, so I confired it to utf-8 in my browser and stored the source of that page in webgui and it worked great. I'll just tiell my russian friends they need to give me utf-8. Thanks!!! | 06:55 |
@apeiron | well | 06:55 |
@apeiron | You *could* convert it in Perl. | 06:55 |
elnino | don't go there. I've spent too much time on this... But thanks... | 06:55 |
elnino | =) | 06:55 |
@apeiron | It's really quite simple actually. use Encode qw/encode decode/; my $raw = decode('Windows-1251, $input); my $utf8 = encode('UTF-8, $raw); | 06:57 |
@apeiron | Well, Windows-1252 in your case. | 06:57 |
@apeiron | Although yeah, it would be more maintainable to just get UTF8 from the start. :) | 06:58 |
elnino | Oh. Ok, I'll keep it in mind. I have my fingers crossed that they are ok with utf-8 - don't see why not, it's as standard as one gets... | 06:59 |
@apeiron | Yup. If they're not, Perl can help you. :) | 06:59 |
elnino | If i'm reading this right, your suggestion is to replace what I did with the browser.. it would still be stored in mysql as utf-8, right? | 07:00 |
@apeiron | Not sure what you're saying re the browser. | 07:00 |
@apeiron | My suggestion was to, if needed, using Perl, convert the data from the encoding you're getting to UTF-8. | 07:01 |
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elnino | ok. yep. And I did the same thing using the broswer's encoding settings to do the same thing. | 07:02 |
@apeiron | ah. | 07:02 |
elnino | For a while, I thought you were explaining how to store the data in mysql as different encoding. | 07:02 |
@apeiron | heh, well, if you want to store it as UTF8, you have to convert it to UTF8, yes? :) | 07:02 |
@apeiron | Store it and have it actually stored *properly*, that is... | 07:03 |
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elnino | YES. | 07:03 |
elnino | I was thrown for a loop as to why they gave me windows-1252.. yuck. | 07:03 |
@apeiron | Ask them. :) | 07:03 |
elnino | we're good. I can get some rest now... nothing is worse than having something unresolved and lying awake thinking about it. | 07:04 |
@apeiron | ick, indeed. | 07:04 |
elnino | Have a great night. THank you for the quick responses! | 07:05 |
@apeiron | heh, no worries. Gnight! | 07:05 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: art thou present? | 07:42 |
+perlDreamer | I summon thee in the name of CeeToo | 07:42 |
+perlDreamer | (not to be confused with Shek Two) | 07:42 |
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aselpilot | Is there any way to imbed an .swf into an article? I attempted to modify the html source but am unable to update it. | 14:48 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 15:43 |
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dionak | hey all | 17:55 |
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+perlDreamer | I'm stuck in a meeting for 6 hours | 18:17 |
+perlDreamer | much perl will be written :) | 18:17 |
topsub | dang.. thats a long meeting! | 18:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6351 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: letting users know about new perl modules | 18:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6352 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: adding another undocumented prereq....doug i'm looking at you!!!! | 18:27 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: does the product variant select box need a "null" entry, like "Please select an option to add to your cart"? | 18:57 |
@rizen | i think i'd rather it just display the first variant | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | cool with me | 18:58 |
+perlDreamer | I just want to make sure that the pinstriping is right the first time :) | 18:59 |
SDuensin | This is just too much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZc5th6g | 19:02 |
SDuensin | (Sorry for the link spam.) | 19:02 |
topsub | rizen, i have to disagree, someone could click add to cart without selecting an variant and lead to issues | 19:11 |
topsub | Think a null entry is a very good idea. | 19:11 |
@rizen | topsub: how does it feel to be wrong. i've never been and you look like someone who would know. | 19:25 |
@rizen | man am i funny =) | 19:26 |
topsub | hmmmm | 19:27 |
+perlDreamer | how about this: push @variantOptions, 'Null entry' if $user=='topsub'; | 19:32 |
+perlDreamer | either that wasn't funny, or no one noticed that the string 'topsub' is false in a numeric comparison | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | does anyone remember which module provides the rmtree function? | 19:47 |
@apeiron | File::Path | 19:48 |
@apeiron | I noticed the ==, thought it was a mistake. | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | thank! | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | apeiron++ | 19:48 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, The export system and its tests exhibit some of the coolest best practice filesystem modules for Perl. :D | 19:49 |
@apeiron | Path::Class and File::Path. Yum. | 19:49 |
+perlDreamer | I think I've figured out how to make multilingual content in WebGUI today. | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | It's based on how multilingual is done in Drupal. | 19:55 |
dionak | we'll probably end up adding the 'Please select...' later | 19:56 |
+perlDreamer | RFEs and patches always welcome :) | 19:57 |
+perlDreamer | especially from known good devs/committers | 19:57 |
dionak | noted. thanks. rizen's in a playful mood again today. | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | afaik, he's been up every night this week with bad servers | 19:59 |
dionak | ugh, | 20:00 |
dionak | so rizen gets more playful the less sleep he's had... | 20:01 |
dionak | he must not get much sleep at all | 20:01 |
bopbop | he | 20:15 |
bopbop | 's kind of like a gremlin | 20:16 |
bopbop | funny things happen when he's up after midnight, and if you feed him | 20:16 |
+perlDreamer | and never, ever get him wet! | 20:16 |
dionak | haha | 20:16 |
bopbop | that's right | 20:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: remove commerce related operations | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | whoa | 20:19 |
+perlDreamer | CIA-6 is on the ball today | 20:19 |
@apeiron | Or it just happened to poll at the right moment. :) | 20:20 |
+perlDreamer | Let's test it. | 20:25 |
+perlDreamer | committed | 20:26 |
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lisette | how to do to send to each user the username and password to your mail? I need to do a macro? | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | no, just a little script | 20:35 |
lisette | how? | 20:35 |
+perlDreamer | well, get a list of all userIds from the users table | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | create a user object for each one | 20:36 |
lisette | yes | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | oh, wait a sec | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | WebGUI does not know the user's password | 20:36 |
+perlDreamer | only the hashed password | 20:36 |
lisette | oh, yes | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | do you have a list of passwords, from a user import? | 20:37 |
lisette | i have the password | 20:37 |
lisette | yes | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | well, then it is a little more difficult, but still doable | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | get the list of userIds | 20:37 |
+perlDreamer | and usernames from the db table | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | get the password from the password list that you have | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | then use WebGUI's email interface to send the emails | 20:38 |
+perlDreamer | you may want to limit how many emails you send per second, so you don't bury spectre and your SMTP server | 20:38 |
lisette | yes, i know | 20:39 |
lisette | thanks | 20:39 |
+perlDreamer | the email interface is in WebGUI::Inbox | 20:40 |
lisette | doesn't WebGUI::Mail::Send? | 20:40 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6354 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: collect all code that deletes files in one place. Do not call it yet | 20:41 |
+perlDreamer | oh, yes. Sorry. My bad. It is WebGUI::Mail::Send | 20:42 |
lisette | thanks. | 20:42 |
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+perlDreamer | heads up everybody: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/colons-invalidate-your-begin-and-end-blocks.html#comments | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | I found and fixed a bunch of these (that I wrote) in the test suite | 21:27 |
+perlDreamer | the rest of the core is fine | 21:27 |
@rizen | yo mamma | 21:32 |
+perlDreamer | she would have known better | 21:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6355 /WebGUI/t/ (11 files in 6 dirs): remove colons from END blocks, so they actually act like END blocks | 21:37 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: working with packages for templates sucks | 21:41 |
+perlDreamer | they're not editable with vim anymore | 21:41 |
@rizen | that's what's cool about it | 21:43 |
@rizen | oh, and yes they are editable with vim | 21:43 |
@rizen | all you have to do is extract the package | 21:43 |
@rizen | .wgpkg file is just a tgz file | 21:43 |
@rizen | and inside it's nice friendly editable JSON | 21:44 |
+perlDreamer | okay, but... | 21:44 |
@rizen | there's no buts | 21:44 |
* perlDreamer prefers his JSON hidden behind several layers of perl API | 21:44 |
@rizen | and it is | 21:44 |
@rizen | that layer is called WebGUI | 21:44 |
@rizen | edit the damn templates in webgui like everyone else. =) | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | eek! | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | ...okay... | 21:45 |
@rizen | eek? | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | I "eek" when yelled at | 21:45 |
@rizen | why eek? | 21:45 |
@rizen | i yelled? | 21:45 |
@rizen | oh cuz i said damn? | 21:45 |
@rizen | does that mean i'm yelling? | 21:45 |
+perlDreamer | "eek" is better than ~squit~ | 21:46 |
@rizen | damn is an adjective for me | 21:46 |
@rizen | i just use it in normal speech | 21:46 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 21:46 |
@rizen | if i was yelling I WOULD TALK LIKE THIS *or* *like* *this* | 21:46 |
@rizen | btw, i'm absolutely sure i've broken that BEGIN: vs BEGIN thing before | 21:47 |
@rizen | maybe not in webgui | 21:47 |
@rizen | but i'm sure i've done it | 21:47 |
+perlDreamer | I know I have | 21:47 |
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+perlmonkey2 | /msg rizen if I have issues I'd like to discuss with the contract, whom would I talk to? | 21:51 |
+perlmonkey2 | whups | 21:51 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: always safer to do AIM :) | 21:52 |
@rizen | pm2, me | 21:57 |
@rizen | if you have a skype account you can call me | 21:57 |
@rizen | plainblackguy | 21:57 |
@rizen | otherwise, we can talk via phone you should have my number from the emails i've sent you in the past | 21:58 |
@rizen | or we can do it via email | 21:58 |
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+perlmonkey2 | rizen: I emailed you | 22:02 |
+perlmonkey2 | Heh, a single P42.8Ghz w/ 1GB ram and an untuned source install of WebGUI is currently running 50 grad students taking long surveys as fast as they can read and click, and it is actually working just fine. | 22:28 |
* perlmonkey2 is totally amazed. | 22:28 |
ckotil | nice | 22:32 |
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* apeiron has been reading phdcomics.com for a while. | 22:46 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, Are you sure they're actually taking the survey and not sleeping at the computer? :D | 22:46 |
+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hah, yes they have finsihed they're finals and the semester is over. But they are being forced, on the last Friday of the year, after all their work is done, to stay in office and complete the same survey over and over. | 22:47 |
@apeiron | ha | 22:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing this is the worst thrashing the survey will ever take :P | 22:47 |
+perlmonkey2 | the log is scrolling far faster than i could hope to read | 22:47 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, You could use WWW::Mech to give it a worse thrashing... | 22:48 |
@apeiron | >:) | 22:48 |
+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: would take some work as there is a lot of javascript invovled, so the mech would have to know a lot more logic than just 'fill out this form' | 22:49 |
@apeiron | perlmonkey2, Oh, well, hrmph. | 22:49 |
+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hmm, actually I dno't think it would be that hard. | 22:50 |
+perlmonkey2 | id generate will always be unique, or should that be tested for? | 23:07 |
+perlmonkey2 | 22^80 (or whatever it is) is probably random enough to be unique enough? | 23:08 |
+perlmonkey2 | or 80^22 I guess | 23:10 |
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+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: what do you think of git? | 23:53 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: git? I've never used it, but read about it. I guess it has superior branching/merging than svn, so might be superior in that regard. | 23:59 |
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+perlDreamer | are you subscribed to the dev list? | 00:00 |
+perlmonkey2 | Nope. Lots of sexy stuff going on there? | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/subversion-vs-git | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | recently, yes | 00:01 |
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+perlmonkey2 | just read up a bit more on git and remembered what I liked so much. The local repositories that are automagically shared as branches to everyone else. I *really* dig that idea. | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, so if you'd like another dev to check out something you're doing, you don't need a private branch in the main repo | 00:06 |
+perlDreamer | or need to pollute the main repo | 00:07 |
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+perlmonkey2 | an emulation of svn and cvs are nice additions if you like your old tools/guis :) | 00:08 |
@tavisto | alright, did everyone do their homework and get 1 major corporation or government agency to start using WebGUI yesterday? | 00:10 |
+perlDreamer | hey, we don't listen to marketing dudes whose name rhymes with mephisto | 00:10 |
+perlmonkey2 | Plus, I think it woudl make it easier to branch your own private branches. For instance, if I'm doing something and decide I want to try a radical change. I'd like to have a new branch rather than looking back through the messages and seeing which comment was the radical change so I can revert. | 00:10 |
@tavisto | actually... it's pronounced as if it was spelled tay-vee-sto | 00:10 |
@tavisto | so now you shall listen! | 00:11 |
+perlDreamer | eek! | 00:11 |
@tavisto | I've got 100k in award money for those of you that completed your task (pending a large rockstar was signed) | 00:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | Hmm, I have a lot of contacts of web designers who use PHP stuff. But they're targeting small companies who want the $5/month hosters. Probably would be fine for PB's $20/month plan if they learned how powerful (and safe) it is over the PHPnuke-clones. | 00:12 |
@tavisto | that's where the webgui lite comes into play | 00:13 |
@tavisto | or a version of it anyway. I love the fact that we can throw a laundry list of features at small businesses... but back in the day when I was a reseller most never used half of what they thought was cool initially | 00:14 |
+perlDreamer | yeah | 00:15 |
@tavisto | dumbing down WebGUI to Godaddy's Website Tonight would work well for that sector | 00:15 |
+perlDreamer | I was looking at these guys: http://jobs.perl.org/job/8618 and thinking PhotoGallery clients | 00:15 |
@tavisto | wow that's going to be a project. | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | w e b g u i | 00:16 |
+perlDreamer | it's much better than that old CGI stuff | 00:18 |
@tavisto | yes from the sounds of it, that would be a good match | 00:18 |
@tavisto | could combine new e-commerce w/ photo gallery | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | oh yeah. C2 would be great with that | 00:18 |
+perlDreamer | maybe y'all should start combing the online perl job sites and sending in quotes for stuff like that | 00:19 |
@tavisto | that's not a bad idea. But you also know that you're eligible to do that as well right? | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | I don't have enough time to do stuff like that | 00:19 |
+perlDreamer | I'd have to go full time | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | and without the contracts up front, that's daunting | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | besides, I give JT all my best ideas | 00:20 |
@tavisto | If you were to connect with a person like that and get them to "see things our way" you'd get a referral bonus | 00:20 |
@tavisto | not much work or time involved in that | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | true | 00:20 |
@tavisto | me, jay, or Vrby are the ones that would have to do that work | 00:20 |
+perlDreamer | jay? | 00:20 |
@tavisto | ie. I'm going thru a 25 page RFP right now trying to pick apart what WebGUI can and can't do for a potential customer... blah.. that's the kinda stuff we would do for you | 00:21 |
@tavisto | Jay is a sales guy | 00:21 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | Hi SquOnk | 00:26 |
@tavisto | howdy | 00:26 |
SquOnk | rizen: The upload was succesful. | 00:26 |
+perlDreamer | w00t! | 00:26 |
@tavisto | sweet | 00:26 |
SquOnk | rizen: webgui is in the incoming queue. That means it will be available on Debian Sid on sunday | 00:26 |
SquOnk | Sid is already on Perl 5.10 therefore is important to test thoroughly since Perl 5.8 will NOT be available in Sid. | 00:27 |
+perlDreamer | SquOnk, do you know how to run the test suite? | 00:28 |
+perlDreamer | none of us have a 5.10 sitting around | 00:33 |
+perlDreamer | if you do, then you could run the suite for us to check things out | 00:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | if fedora 9 ever comes out, I'll have 5.10 ready to test with. | 00:35 |
SquOnk | perlbot: Yes | 00:39 |
perlbot | No! | 00:39 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yes, I know how to run the test suite. | 00:39 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's what I'm going to run. | 00:40 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But remember that Debian runs on i386, amd64, ia64, alpha, sparc, powerpc and many more :-) | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | oh yes | 00:40 |
* perlDreamer is ready for a storm of bug fixing and new uses | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | users | 00:40 |
+perlDreamer | fedora 9 is out in 4 days | 00:41 |
@rizen | thanks for the update SquOnk | 00:41 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I can test directly on i386, amd64, sparc, powerpc and alpha... | 00:41 |
SquOnk | (and will test :-) | 00:41 |
+perlDreamer | cool. Thanks, SquOnk | 00:42 |
SquOnk | The next improvement will be automatica database creating and upgrading | 00:42 |
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itnomad | I am using dynamic dns to point a registered domain name to my current ip address. When trying to connect remotely to my WebGUI website, I get the Bad Gateway error. I have been googling and searching the help on the Plain Black and DynDNS web sites. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding a solution? I am using CentOS 5.1 and have no problems connecting from any of the computers on my intranet to my WebGUI website. | 01:29 |
+perlDreamer | does your ISP block port 80 traffic? | 01:30 |
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itnomad | no. I've run Apache from home for a couple of years with no problems connecting by the current ip address, whatever that might be at the time. As I understand it, WebGUI needs a hostname to work. That's how I got involved with DynDNS. | 01:32 |
itnomad | The error message I get appears to come from the error directory of the wre installation. But I'm not sure of that. | 01:33 |
+perlmonkey2 | itnomad: Can you pastebin some of the errors? | 01:33 |
itnomad | Proxy server received invalid response from an upstream server. Is the only error I have seen. I can't seem to find the http error logs. | 01:35 |
+perlmonkey2 | /data/wre/var/logs? | 01:36 |
+perlDreamer | itnomad, I think I've seen an article on the wiki about DynDNS and WRE setups | 01:37 |
+perlDreamer | the wiki at webgui.org | 01:37 |
itnomad | the one from fishingfan? I've been reading it, but can't seem to find helpful info there. | 01:38 |
itnomad | cool, I've got the logs now. | 01:39 |
metanil | does pagination in folder asset works by default? | 01:39 |
itnomad | It looks like I may need to open up port 8081 | 01:40 |
itnomad | I'm heading home to give that a try:) | 01:40 |
+perlDreamer | metanil: The Folder does not paginate. | 01:40 |
@preaction_ | itnomad, only the mod_proxy WRE instance needs to be able to hit 8081, but the mod_proxy wre instance uses the site's ServerName to try to reach it | 01:41 |
metanil | perlDreamer, suppose i have 100 files within that folder ? :D | 01:41 |
+perlDreamer | metanil: Then it will be slow :( | 01:42 |
metanil | :( | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | itnomad: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/setting-up-the-wre-when-your-isp-block-port-80 | 01:42 |
+perlDreamer | that's the wiki article I remembered | 01:42 |
@preaction_ | 100 isn't much, 1000 would be slow | 01:42 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: the product Sku is working now | 01:44 |
+perlDreamer | it needs some polish, but it can show a basic form for buying a variant, and it correctly adds itself to the cart | 01:44 |
wgGuest61 | Hi I have a question about the Colaboration System template's | 01:45 |
wgGuest61 | In the default submission template, in the atacchment loop line | 01:46 |
wgGuest61 | How can i to diference the atacchmen file | 01:46 |
itnomad | perlDreamer: that article looks like it could be helpful. Thanks, all. | 01:46 |
wgGuest61 | When an user atach a mp3 file show a special line | 01:47 |
wgGuest61 | and when an user atach a flv file show other difrent line | 01:47 |
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+perlDreamer | wgGuest61: You would need to use a more advanced templating system than the default one that WebGUI uses | 01:54 |
+perlDreamer | HTML::Template::Expr, or TemplateToolkit | 01:55 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6356 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): form elements for buying a variant of a product | 01:58 |
wgGuest61 | How can i use this template? | 02:05 |
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+perlmonkey2 | f00li5h: hello? what's up? | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | wgGuest61: You start by installing it from CPAN. Then you add it to the list of WebGUI template plugins in your site's webgui configuration file. Then you edit the template and change ALL of the templating syntax to match your new templating system. | 02:11 |
+perlDreamer | this link has more details: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines | 02:12 |
+perlDreamer | and I would recommend searching the wiki and forum for more information | 02:13 |
wgGuest61 | Tks perldreamer | 02:14 |
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wgGuest61 | Oki | 02:16 |
wgGuest61 | Tks | 02:16 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6357 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix i18n for buy button in the Product | 02:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6358 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: begin adding inventory control overrides of parent class | 02:24 |
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f00li5h | perlmonkey2: =^_^= | 02:35 |
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pilaf153 | I have installed webgui and started editing the menu. I loggout out for a while and came back but now it is tell me it is locked under another version tag. I only have on version tag listed the one I was using before. Is there anyway to unlock flexmenu | 04:46 |
@preaction_ | pilaf153, join the version tag again | 04:47 |
@preaction_ | alternatively, delete the version tag | 04:48 |
pilaf153 | I made sure I am currently using the version tag | 04:48 |
@preaction_ | did you commit the version tag? | 04:48 |
pilaf153 | no | 04:48 |
pilaf153 | If I delete it you think it will work | 04:49 |
@preaction_ | most likely, but i don't know | 04:49 |
pilaf153 | I have no prpblem trying that if thats what will do it | 04:49 |
pilaf153 | oh ok | 04:49 |
pilaf153 | that did it thanks | 04:51 |
@preaction_ | you can disable that version tag stuff if you want | 04:52 |
pilaf153 | what happens if I do | 04:53 |
@preaction_ | on the Settings pane in the admin console, Content tab, Auto-Commit Changes and Skip Commit Comments, turn them both to on | 04:53 |
pilaf153 | just any changes that are made will be made | 04:53 |
@preaction_ | your changes will get committed automatically | 04:53 |
pilaf153 | would it matter if I have multiple users making changes | 04:53 |
@preaction_ | there is still technically a version tag, you can still roll back, but it just gets committed right away | 04:53 |
pilaf153 | I see | 04:54 |
@preaction_ | no, it shouldn't be affected, except that things won't be locked for long | 04:54 |
@preaction_ | a few seconds to a minute, or more if you have an approval process | 04:54 |
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KennyBoy | Hi there :) I'm considering using webGUI and I'm trying to figure out: can/does WebGUI use persistent database connections (Apache::DBI)? Does anyone know? | 16:43 |
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pilaf153 | I was wondering if anyone could help with cool menus. I have it set up so it is a verticle menu and when the user mouseovers the next level menus flow vertical as well but they cover the other sections of the menu. Is there a way for cool menus to "push" down the other menu labels so it is more or less expanding the menu? | 20:26 |
pilaf153 | If that cant happen I also found this macro | 20:28 |
pilaf153 | http://www.webgui.org/page_tree_menu_macro#JV6ldy52y8Cxi3x_45EAPQ | 20:28 |
pilaf153 | but I have no clue how to use macros | 20:28 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:02 |
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dionak | hola | 17:45 |
estiven | Hola | 17:48 |
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webgeek | i have 3 queries in 1 report. the first and second one depend on the value from the first. how can i display the data for the third outside of the nested query 2 | 18:02 |
webgeek | as soon as i close the query 2 loop no data for the third displays | 18:03 |
dionak | off the top of my head, i recall having to embed the loops. so to get the data for query 3, i had to be in the query2 rows loop | 18:04 |
dionak | and likewise for query1 | 18:04 |
webgeek | thats what i am finding but query 3 has a param from query 1 not query 2 so i don't want it nested | 18:06 |
dionak | you lost me there but could you not customize the template to show only the data you want? This is our general practice | 18:08 |
webgeek | query 1 gets me departments. query 2 gets me courses for that department. query 3 gets me faculy for that department from a different data link | 18:09 |
webgeek | when i edit the sql report template i try to close the query 2 loop and then display query 3 and i get no data | 18:10 |
dionak | the queries are actually 'chained' if you look at the sqlreport code. each one works off the results of the previous query. | 18:11 |
dionak | which is why query2 can't be closed and then query3 accessed. | 18:12 |
dionak | be back...meeting | 18:13 |
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lisette | i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop? | 18:40 |
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+perlDreamer | rizen: You ready to talk inventory? | 19:27 |
@rizen | perhaps | 19:29 |
lisette | i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop? | 19:33 |
+perlDreamer | while (my $hashRef = $statementHandle->hashRef) { # ??? | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | would need to see more code to really answer that question | 19:34 |
lisette | my $result = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($sql, $dbh); | 19:34 |
lisette | $result->execute(); | 19:34 |
lisette | my %rs = $result->hash; | 19:34 |
lisette | while(%rs){ | 19:34 |
+perlDreamer | almost, the last two statements can be combined | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | while (my %rs = $result->hash) { | 19:35 |
lisette | ok, this works? | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, it looks fine | 19:35 |
+perlDreamer | well, I need to check the ResultSet call | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | prepare may not want a db handle | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | nope, that's fine | 19:36 |
lisette | how? | 19:36 |
lisette | ok | 19:36 |
+perlDreamer | rizen: let me know when you're ready then | 19:37 |
@rizen | i am i'm just screwing with you | 19:38 |
* perlDreamer checks the top of his head of slots | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | so, what is your flow for inventory management | 19:38 |
+perlDreamer | On addToCart, do I need to do anything? | 19:38 |
@rizen | yes | 19:39 |
@rizen | it works like this: | 19:39 |
@rizen | you modify addToCart so that it subtracts one from the inventory | 19:39 |
@rizen | if there is one | 19:39 |
@rizen | you should check to make sure you have enough for the first add | 19:39 |
@rizen | in addToCart | 19:39 |
+perlDreamer | and if there isn't? exception? | 19:39 |
@rizen | that's up to you | 19:40 |
@rizen | the only thing | 19:40 |
@rizen | that will ever call addToCart | 19:40 |
@rizen | is your www_ method | 19:40 |
+perlDreamer | okay | 19:40 |
@rizen | then you also fill in the getQuantityAvailable method | 19:41 |
@rizen | and that's what the cart will use to let the user modify the quantities in teh cart | 19:41 |
+perlDreamer | and from there, all the on* subs that might touch quantities | 19:42 |
@rizen | oh wait | 19:43 |
@rizen | i take that back | 19:43 |
@rizen | you should check the quanity available in your addToCart method | 19:43 |
@rizen | only if you want to throw an exception or whatever | 19:43 |
@rizen | the onAdjustQuantityInCart method is where you should actually put the code that modifies inventory | 19:44 |
@rizen | that and onRemoveFromCart | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | and onRefund? | 19:44 |
@rizen | yeah all the onMethods as you said | 19:44 |
+perlDreamer | okay, that's pretty clear | 19:45 |
+perlDreamer | I think I'll make it an exception (just to continue good practice). | 19:46 |
@rizen | don't throw exceptions in the onMethods though | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | no | 19:47 |
+perlDreamer | only addToCart | 19:47 |
@rizen | cuz the cart will just think something bad happened | 19:47 |
@rizen | it won't try to correct the something bad | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | and you're checking getQuantityAvailable anyway | 19:48 |
@rizen | right | 19:48 |
@rizen | if you have any special reason to do so you may also want to change the getMaxAllowedInCart method | 19:48 |
@rizen | by default it just calls getQuantityAvailable though | 19:48 |
@rizen | so you probably don't need to modify it | 19:48 |
+perlDreamer | Sounds like that would be a LimitedQuantityProduct :) | 19:49 |
@rizen | well for example, in the EMS, there may be 1000 tickets available, but you can only buy 1 | 19:50 |
@rizen | so they are different there | 19:50 |
+perlDreamer | I don't think I need to do that for the basic Product. | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | it can either be sub-classed or RFE'd in later | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | I am more more worried about onRefund, due to a design issue with the JSON collateral | 19:51 |
+perlDreamer | I've been using the index in the JSON array as a unique identifier | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | and as long as only the Asset accesses its collateral, that works fine | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | but for onRefund, that could happen a while later | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | and the collateral could be reordered between now and then | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | so index is not a good solution | 19:52 |
+perlDreamer | I thought about using variant sku, but it's not guaranteed unique by the system | 19:53 |
+perlDreamer | Do you think it would be better to add a GUID to the collateral, or to make sure that variant skus are unique to a product? | 19:53 |
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@rizen | yup | 19:54 |
@rizen | add a guid | 19:54 |
+perlDreamer | okay, I was kind of leaning that way, but then I realized that if variant skus are not unique that they won't be able to do an inventory sync. | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | but a guid will be useful in other cases anyway | 19:55 |
+perlDreamer | I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get the inventory control and product manager (import/export) done by the end of the month. | 19:58 |
+perlDreamer | If I get done early, I'll ask for other things to help out. | 19:59 |
@rizen | sweet dood cuz i'm getting crushed | 19:59 |
+perlDreamer | oh, blocking on C2 time due to $dayJob? | 20:00 |
@rizen | yup | 20:00 |
+perlDreamer | if you can, make a list with lots of little subtasks. That way they can be farmed out. | 20:01 |
@rizen | yeah, when i get time | 20:02 |
@rizen | =) | 20:02 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): finalize template variable names for the variant buy form. Add help for template variables and i18n | 20:50 |
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metanil | what is the best way to do a form post in webgui way? like i could create form using template and submit.. but how i'm supposed to handle the submission and returning back other page? | 22:39 |
@preaction_ | metanil, an asset | 22:39 |
metanil | preaction_: :D | 22:40 |
@rizen | actually...a content handler | 22:40 |
metanil | ? | 22:40 |
metanil | content handler is the part of asset isn't it? | 22:41 |
@preaction_ | no, you can write your own content handlers | 22:42 |
metanil | i search the wiki for it but couldn't get anything about it.. | 22:44 |
@preaction_ | look at lib/WebGUI/Content/*.pm, the Operation.pm would probably be the easiest to understand. there's nothing complicated about them | 22:45 |
metanil | thnx | 22:46 |
metanil | i guess i don't have lib/WebGUI/Content directory. | 22:47 |
@preaction_ | they're added in 7.5 | 22:48 |
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metanil | i got 7.4.17-stable | 22:48 |
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@tavisto | Has anyone seen this windows install document from Signal Mountain? | 23:08 |
@tavisto | http://www.signalmountain.co.uk/uploads/Installing_WebGui_on_Windows_V2.pdf | 23:08 |
@tavisto | I think the 5th box is incorrect as the c:\data\wre\sbin\services\windows directories aren't created yet? | 23:09 |
+perlDreamer | I think the whole thing is wrong, since the WRE includes perl | 23:10 |
@tavisto | THAT's what I didn't understand either. | 23:10 |
@tavisto | but I haven't done a windows install.. heh. But I was pretty certain that all of the perl modules were included already :) | 23:10 |
+perlDreamer | not only the modules, but perl itself | 23:11 |
@tavisto | I just got off the phone with a potential customer that was kinda confused at this document. It was added to the wiki instructions but probably isn't helping newbs much | 23:11 |
+perlDreamer | there's a handy little link for emailing him about errors mailto:feedback@signalmountain.co.uk | 23:12 |
@tavisto | yeah I know, I just wanted to verify this thing was jacked up. Do you see anything else that sticks out as incorrect | 23:12 |
+perlDreamer | not in that document, but we have 3 hits for WRE windows in the wiki, and I don't think they all jive | 23:14 |
metanil | is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki? | 23:16 |
+perlDreamer | Assets are essentially the same as Wobjects | 23:17 |
@tavisto | yeah there used to be 5 different WRE and windows documents and on one of our staff bug fixer days I went in and got rid of some duplication | 23:22 |
@tavisto | however, there's more work to do. I often times think that some of the official instructional wiki posts should be locked to prevent erroneous information being added to the documents that people access most when they first start using WebGUI. Although then again that kinda defeats the purpose of the wiki :) | 23:25 |
+perlDreamer | true, that | 23:26 |
@preaction_ | tavisto, i still maintain that the ability to subscribe to wiki posts would solve that problem, since an editor could maintain it | 23:29 |
@apeiron | preaction_, Well-volunteered | 23:29 |
@tavisto | that's true pre | 23:29 |
@tavisto | I still think that is a great idea/solution as well. | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | that's how wikipedia works | 23:29 |
+perlDreamer | iirc | 23:29 |
@tavisto | it would end the murdering of valid wiki posts :) | 23:29 |
@preaction_ | pd: exactly | 23:30 |
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metanil | is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki? | 23:32 |
+perlDreamer | metanil: Assets are essentially Wobjects | 23:33 |
@preaction_ | metanil, you can use the wobject development tutorial to develop an asset | 23:33 |
@preaction_ | Wobject is a subclass of Asset | 23:33 |
metanil | why is the first question in that tutorial looks like "Should I build an asset rather than a wobject?" | 23:33 |
+perlDreamer | so you know which one to subclass | 23:33 |
@preaction_ | asset is lower-level, you most likely want wobject | 23:34 |
metanil | hmm.. gr8 | 23:34 |
+perlDreamer | tell us what you're trying to do, metanil | 23:34 |
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@tavisto | Hey Charley | 23:38 |
Charley | hey. anyone here very familiar with the event calendar? | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | how familiar is "very" familiar? | 23:39 |
+perlDreamer | iow, what's up? | 23:39 |
@preaction_ | perlbot anyone | 23:40 |
perlbot | Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help. | 23:40 |
Charley | ha. My site is centered. But, when I click the "add event", my template moves over to the left. | 23:40 |
+perlDreamer | for the add event form only? | 23:41 |
Charley | the entire site moves over to the left | 23:41 |
Charley | click on "Add" under community calendar: http://web402.plainblack.net/ | 23:41 |
@preaction_ | sounds like a bad template | 23:41 |
@preaction_ | bad template <-> style interaction | 23:42 |
@preaction_ | and i'll agree, the add event template is horrible | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | if you click on the recurrence tab, it moves even farther to the left | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | but outside the form it's fine | 23:42 |
+perlDreamer | so, only your editors will see this | 23:43 |
@tavisto | in Safari 3.0 this site is not centered | 23:44 |
@preaction_ | no, it's a bug. i could've swore i fixed this back in 7.4.23 | 23:44 |
@tavisto | top horizontal nav is centered though | 23:45 |
Charley | actually, I have it set where the general public can enter events, so the public will be able to see it jump to the left. Which is not so bad, but my menu stays centered. So it's a little messed up looking. | 23:46 |
+perlDreamer | I'd file the bug, since the last 7.4 bug release is not too far off in the future | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | all new stuff will happen in 7.5 | 23:47 |
+perlDreamer | Haarg: I merged the Form/Email dot fix into 7.5. Will all others happen en masse for the 7.5.11 release? | 23:47 |
@Haarg | other things from 7.4 you mean? | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 23:48 |
@Haarg | yeah, i'll be merging them | 23:48 |
+perlDreamer | okay, sorry for being impatient | 23:48 |
@tavisto | Charley, I saw you purchased a new server today. Are you already starting the new South Ark project/site? | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | tavisto, he's done a bunch already | 23:49 |
+perlDreamer | it looks quite nice | 23:49 |
* perlDreamer starts drooling about spudnuts | 23:49 |
@tavisto | hehe sweet, I lose track of such things b/c I talk to so many peeps.. But that's great | 23:50 |
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dionak | how do you get a list of everything from perlbot | 00:00 |
dionak | ? | 00:00 |
dionak | seems handy and funny | 00:00 |
@apeiron | perlbot, source | 00:01 |
perlbot | check out my insides: http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3 | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | perlbot: help | 00:01 |
perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip) | 00:01 |
+perlDreamer | dionak: if you want a list of what it's learned, that's another story | 00:01 |
@apeiron | http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3/data/facts.db has everything it seems. | 00:01 |
@preaction_ | perlbot factoids | 00:01 |
@preaction_ | perlbot keywords | 00:01 |
perlbot | Check out all the things I know: http://www.chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi Don't want to see the port and country TLD facts? http://chrisangell.com/cgi-bin/botkeywords.cgi?noports=1&nocountries=1 | 00:01 |
@preaction_ | perlbot is populated by ... well, denizens of #perl, so uber-geeks and social misfits. you were warned | 00:02 |
+perlDreamer | apeiron, reading sqlite dbs is not fun :/ | 00:03 |
@rizen | hiring web designers is WAY harder than hiring programmers | 00:03 |
dionak | true | 00:03 |
Charley | tavisto, how do you know about spudnuts? | 00:06 |
@tavisto | I see all of the sales @ Plain Black. | 00:07 |
@tavisto | this is Tavis | 00:07 |
@tavisto | :) | 00:07 |
@tavisto | I dont know about spudnuts... but I'm assuming you're referring to whatever this new server is for | 00:07 |
Charley | Hey! I figured. I guess that was Perldreamer drooling over the spudnuts. | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | mmmm | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | spudnuts | 00:07 |
+perlDreamer | of course, if there was some BBQ nearby that would do, too | 00:08 |
@tavisto | what is that? | 00:08 |
Charley | sooo, how do you know about our claim to fame? | 00:08 |
@tavisto | perlbot spudnuts | 00:08 |
Charley | they are heavenly | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | I read this awesome website about El Dorado, Arkansas | 00:08 |
Charley | donuts made from potato flour | 00:08 |
Charley | ha! | 00:08 |
@tavisto | wow | 00:08 |
+perlDreamer | of course, they have them in Tri-Cities Washington, too | 00:08 |
@tavisto | So Charley is this server for the South Ark proj then? | 00:09 |
Charley | really? I had no idea. | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | oh, yeah | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | The Spudnut Shop | 00:09 |
Charley | the one I purchased today is for the college I'm working at. | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | right on George Washington way | 00:09 |
Charley | we're getting ready to redo our site. I convinced our CIO to go with WebGUI. | 00:09 |
@tavisto | cool, I have a hard time keeping up with all your projects.. When we talked originally I remember you developed for like the who town | 00:09 |
@tavisto | whole town even | 00:09 |
+perlDreamer | perlbot: spudnuts is donuts made from potato flour | 00:10 |
perlbot | added spudnuts to the database | 00:10 |
@tavisto | that's great. | 00:10 |
@tavisto | perlbot JT Smith likes small pillows | 00:10 |
Charley | Yes. The one we're launching tomorrow (and having issues with the event calendar) is for the city of El Dorado, AR. | 00:10 |
@tavisto | yeah I looked at the URL you posted... BTW.. it wasn't centered for Safari 3 | 00:11 |
Charley | They are doing a big launch at the Arkansas Welcome Center. So, everything has got to be perfected by tomorrow. | 00:11 |
Charley | any ideas on how to keep it from moving to the left when adding an event? | 00:11 |
Charley | i messed with the css, but could make no headway. | 00:11 |
@tavisto | well, I'm talking about the site design in general.. not on the form | 00:11 |
@tavisto | the navigation on the home page stays centered | 00:12 |
Charley | ah. well, crap. | 00:12 |
Charley | yeah. | 00:12 |
@tavisto | however in firefox 2 the whole site design is centered | 00:12 |
@preaction_ | Charley, if i'm not mistaken, there's an extra </td></tr></table> in the template somewhere | 00:12 |
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Charley | ok. in the event calendar "add/edit event" template? | 00:12 |
@preaction_ | yes | 00:13 |
Charley | i'll check it out. thanks. | 00:13 |
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Charley | preaction, I believe you are correct! It still moves a little to the left, but I think that may be due to the width of the HTMLArea. Do you know how to edit the width of the HTMLArea box? | 00:20 |
@preaction_ | it's just a Rich Edit, i don't know if you can set which rich edit from the Calendar's properties, but that would be my first choice | 00:22 |
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@preaction_ | also don't know if you can edit the width of the rich editor from the Rich Edit properties | 00:22 |
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+perlDreamer | Charley: Are you coming to the WUC? | 00:29 |
juan | i had configured a survey and i was checking the statistical overview and every i was checking the view grade book to verify the number of users that had answering it | 00:31 |
juan | today i was checking again and i find the view grade book without entries | 00:31 |
juan | i don't know what happened? | 00:32 |
+perlDreamer | is there data in the database? | 00:32 |
juan | i am checking | 00:33 |
Charley | also, when I'm in the Edit section, the font on my coolmenu changes to 8px. | 00:34 |
Charley | When is the WUC? | 00:35 |
@tavisto | Aug 28th-29th | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | August 27th and 28th, in Madison, Wisconsin | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | huh? | 00:35 |
@tavisto | the workshops are on the 26th and 27th | 00:35 |
+perlDreamer | my bad | 00:36 |
@tavisto | dude wtf... there's a dumb typo on wuc site right now... says 2007! | 00:36 |
+perlmonkey2 | Charley: I wonder how much it would cost to hire someone to come up with a good xhtml menu system? | 00:36 |
+perlDreamer | a plainblack staffer should fix that, tavisto :) | 00:36 |
@tavisto | on it | 00:37 |
@tavisto | that's why im not talking atm | 00:37 |
juan | perlDreamer, i am checking in the survey_response table and there is not data | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | well, that explains why the gradebook is empty | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | but not why the data is gone | 00:37 |
+perlDreamer | juan, the Survey does have a way to delete all data, built into the UI | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | it's possible that somebody hit it | 00:38 |
+perlDreamer | you can check the Apache logs for a url that looks like func=deleteAllResponses.* | 00:39 |
+perlDreamer | also, do you have backups of the database that you could use to restore the data? | 00:40 |
juan | i am going to check | 00:42 |
Charley | End of August? Yes, I think I can definately do that. | 00:46 |
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juan | perlDreamer, if I don't want to restore all the tables in the database, can i restore only the tables related to the survey? | 01:04 |
+perlDreamer | eys | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | yes | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | edit the backup file to only contain those tables | 01:09 |
+perlDreamer | I'm glad you have a backup | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | A lot of people don't set them up | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: Please consider this as an informal RFE. | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | If you have a deleteAllResponses method, please log it explicitly in the WebGUI log file | 01:10 |
+perlDreamer | who did it and when | 01:10 |
@apeiron | And probably which survey it affects, neh? | 01:11 |
juan | ok | 01:11 |
+perlDreamer | oh, good one, apeiron! | 01:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hah, good idea | 01:11 |
+perlmonkey2 | apeiron: also good idea. So the admin knows who's butt to kick. | 01:12 |
+perlDreamer | $self->locate('offender')->butt({action => 'kick', force => 'maximum'}); | 01:13 |
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juan | perlDreamer, | 01:44 |
juan | i have something strange, i have restored the data and all was ok and after some minutes the data disappear again | 01:45 |
+perlDreamer | juan, it is possible that your database is corrupted. | 01:46 |
juan | and is happening with this specific survey | 01:46 |
+perlDreamer | there are other surveys that are okay? | 01:46 |
juan | yes | 01:47 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: remove out of date collateral comments and fix a POD typo | 01:47 |
+perlDreamer | did you check the apache logs for that url that I mentioned earlier? | 01:48 |
+perlDreamer | is it possible that someone else from your team is messing around on the site? | 01:48 |
juan | perlDreamer, i have another question, in this site i have always some workflows that always have status waiting and never disappear for suspended workflows | 02:02 |
+perlDreamer | which workflows are they? | 02:02 |
juan | Commit With Approval | 02:03 |
+perlDreamer | they are probably waiting for approval | 02:03 |
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juan | but i don't have pending commits in the site | 02:06 |
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Charley | hey. I have a serious dns problem. We had a webspace set up at web368.plainblack.net. We upgraded and our new address is web402.plainblack.net. When I transferred the dns for GoElDorado.com it is coming up with our old site on web368.plainblack.net. What can I do? | 02:20 |
Charley | it needs to show the site at web402.plainblack.net | |
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