WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-05.log

--- Log opened Thu May 01 00:00:49 2008
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+snapcount	argh... why is mysql replication so freaking cumbersome	00:39
@rizen	remove mysql	00:39
@rizen	replication is cumbersome	00:39
+snapcount	heh... I guess that is a better way to put it	00:40
+snapcount	I've never worked with repl on another rdbms before	00:40
@rizen	i meant remove it from the sentence	00:40
+snapcount	so it could be equally crappy on all platforms	00:41
@rizen	not your server	00:41
+snapcount	lol	00:41
+snapcount	"but you said to remove mysql"	00:41
@rizen	i've used it on oracle, mysql, and sybase	00:41
@rizen	mysql is the easiest to set up, but has the fewest options out of the ones i've used	00:41
@rizen	you need a special degree in oracle in order to set up replication in oracle	00:42
+perlDreamer	snapcount, he means s/mysql //; #all replication is freaking cumbersome	00:42
Samus_Aran	can someone point me in the direction for updating the logout/login part. I have a styled login form that I want to appear once the person logs out	00:43
+snapcount	perlDreamer: indeed =)	00:46
Samus_Aran	figured it out.	00:46
+perlDreamer	Samus_Aran: when a person logs out returns you to the page that you were looking at (if you have permission)	00:48
+perlDreamer	it doesn't show you a custom relogin form	00:48
+perlDreamer	so all you can do is style the generic login form	00:48
Samus_Aran	I found on the Wikie: ^LoginToggle("Click here to log in.","Click here to log out.","/url/to/your/template");	00:51
Samus_Aran	which seems to be what I want	00:51
Samus_Aran	that is, if /url/to/your/template contains HTML for the login form. if not, I'm still lost	00:52
+perlDreamer	Samus_Aran: I'd suggest the L_loginBox macro instead	00:54
+perlDreamer	but either may do the trick	00:54
Samus_Aran	which only appears when they are not logged in?	00:54
Samus_Aran	maybe I will just keep the login form always visible, as I sometimes change users	00:55
+perlDreamer	l_loginBox: If they are logged in, it shows them a link to their account. If logged out, it shows them a login box for username/passwd	00:55
+perlDreamer	LoginToggle: show them text 1 with login if logged out, text 2 with logout if logged in	00:55
+perlDreamer	but you can build more sophisticated stuff as well	00:56
+snapcount	rsync freaking rules	00:59
CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons	01:06
+snapcount	does anyone know what is being used to announce svn commits in IRC?	01:09
+snapcount	that is really cool... is it a one off or out there on the interwebs?	01:10
+snapcount	preaction: is this a custom perlbot you wrote?	01:10
@preaction	no, see http://cia.vc	01:11
+snapcount	sweet... thanks man	01:11
Samus_Aran	snapcount: rsync is great :)	01:24
Samus_Aran	along with a small script to dump databases, it is very handy for offsite backups	01:25
+snapcount	it's good for repairing replication when it breaks so you don't have to copy entire snapshots of the dbs	01:26
+snapcount	esp when the db is like 20GB	01:26
+snapcount	much faster	01:27
Samus_Aran	well, these are teeny databases, hehe. just a few MB	01:27
Samus_Aran	haven't had to deal with huge ones yet	01:27
+snapcount	I'm new to it as well	01:27
+snapcount	we have one now that is appx 750 million rows	01:27
Samus_Aran	what is in it?	01:27
+snapcount	people data	01:27
Samus_Aran	user accounts for a web site ?	01:28
+snapcount	criminal records, phone book type stuff, real estate transactions, etc	01:28
+snapcount	professional records	01:28
+snapcount	judgements, bankruptcies, lienss	01:28
+snapcount	all kinds of crap	01:28
+snapcount	not users in a website	01:29
+snapcount	this is more like all the people in the united states	01:30
+snapcount	and puerto rico I think	01:30
+snapcount	thankfully we don't replicate that data =)	01:32
+snapcount	that would be interesting to say the least	01:32
CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons	01:32
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Samus_Aran	snapcount: what type of hard drive do you have to drive it, and how much RAM ?	01:39
Samus_Aran	presumably a fast RAID array	01:40
Samus_Aran	and too many GB of RAM	01:40
+snapcount	That data is on a RAID 1, SAS 300GB 15K RPM	01:41
+snapcount	32GB of memory and dual quad core 2.0 GHz xeons	01:41
Samus_Aran	it is remarkable how cheap servers are now than a few years ago	01:42
+snapcount	for sure	01:42
Samus_Aran	million dollar servers are now available for a few thousand	01:42
Samus_Aran	kind of scary.	01:42
+snapcount	that box I think cost me like 5 or 6K	01:42
+snapcount	but we buy a lot of servers and get a fat discount	01:42
Samus_Aran	discounts are always nice	01:43
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+snapcount	I tell you what really impresses me is MySQL cluster	01:45
+snapcount	if they could make it work with complex selects it would solve world hunger =D	01:45
@apeiron	heh, http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/the_mysql_appliance.html	01:46
@apeiron	^^ that's impressive	01:46
+snapcount	it is soooo fast and fault tolerant	01:46
+snapcount	we have a four node setup that handles all of our AAA	01:46
+snapcount	apeiron: I saw that at the conference a few weeks ago	01:47
+snapcount	it is impressive but pricey	01:47
+snapcount	I think bottom floor is like 25K and tops out around $200K	01:47
+snapcount	but the architecture of using an "SQL Chip" is pretty cool	01:48
+snapcount	The guy told me they won't be available until late fall	01:50
+snapcount	but it sucks that they won't sell you the chip only	01:50
@apeiron	Yeah, 10/14/2008 according to that site.	01:50
@apeiron	indeed. I'd like to frob it with different DBs.	01:50
+snapcount	you have to buy the appliance which is just a COTS server with a PCI-X card containing that chip	01:50
+snapcount	and a diff storage engine for mysql	01:50
+snapcount	who knows... maybe that will come someday =)	01:51
+snapcount	finally got replication back up on this box	01:55
+snapcount	what a PITA	01:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): added missing help files	01:57
+perlDreamer	rizenisaway: You big stud!	01:59
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6285 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Product.pm: point Product Asset help to Sku help instead of wobject	02:20
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more product variants work, i18n, forms and upgrade script	02:20
Samus_Aran	once SSD are cheaper and faster, it will effortlessly beat out 15K drives	02:25
Samus_Aran	it has the potential to be many times faster than any current disks	02:25
Samus_Aran	and as a bonus is smaller and uses less electricity	02:26
+perlDreamer	there was a slashdot article saying that now, performance wise, they're much slower than mechanical drives	02:26
Samus_Aran	currently they just plug into SATA slots and are not economical or particularly efficient	02:26
Samus_Aran	but it is still the first generation	02:27
Samus_Aran	I don't think platter drives will be used within 4-5 years	02:27
Samus_Aran	they will also be cheaper to produce once the manufacturing is behind it	02:28
Samus_Aran	oh, and great for databases, random access with the same seek time	02:28
Samus_Aran	I'm about to build a 5.4 TiB array at home (9x SATA 750GB disks). perhaps by the time that is bursting at the seams, SSD will be cheap =)	02:29
Samus_Aran	I haven't heard anything about heat, but I imagine SSD are very cool compared to platter disks. you can heat a house with regular hard drives	02:31
+perlDreamer	too bad you can't cool them :)	02:31
+snapcount	my macbook air has the SSD	02:32
+snapcount	it is a bit slower	02:32
+snapcount	but the battery lasts for like 4.5 - 5 hrs	02:33
+snapcount	it's really good at random writes but the mech drives blow it away on sequential writes	02:33
+snapcount	which makes sense I think	02:33
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6287 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): begin migrating Product data into variants	02:52
Samus_Aran	battery efficiency, speed and storage capacity are going to skyrocket with SSD	02:55
Samus_Aran	does anyone know how I can duplicate a template so that I can paste in my custom made code ?	02:56
Samus_Aran	if I go to assets and select a template and do duplicate, it doesn't duplicate the template	02:56
Samus_Aran	it just creates an empty folder	02:56
Samus_Aran	not sure how to copy as well the content in it	02:56
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Samus_Aran	duplicated the template manually, and now it won't let me apply anything to a whole branch... hum	04:04
Samus_Aran	one question: is there a way without Apache mod_rewrite to make the top of the web site not have a name ?	04:05
Samus_Aran	for example "home" shows up as http://www.foo.com/home	04:05
Samus_Aran	but it also shows up as http://www.foo.com/	04:05
Samus_Aran	which is bad for search engines and caching	04:06
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+Radix-wrk	sounds like spectre is the cause then	04:15
+Radix-wrk	spectre shouldn't be timing out	04:15
+Radix-wrk	check your spectre.conf file for typos, invalid domain names, etc	04:15
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DX^	I want to start a circuit schematic archive, so I want the ability to categorize a bunch of content, but I also want it to have tags and comments, so users can add info and search, can I do this with WebGUI?	04:16
+Radix-wrk	the wiki has tags, and you can add pages, search, etc	04:17
+Radix-wrk	it doesn't have the concept of comments though	04:17
Samus_Aran	Radix-wrk: I restarted Apache earlier, then restarted spectre, I haven't changed anything since last time it was started a few weeks ago, hm	04:17
@apeiron	No comments in non-CS content, anyway.	04:17
@apeiron	And I think the Gallery has comemnts.	04:17
@apeiron	But they're simple enough to add.	04:18
+Radix-wrk	gallery/cs might be your best bet	04:18
+Radix-wrk	new gallery in 7.5 has tags too doesn't it?	04:18
@apeiron	hrmmm	04:18
@apeiron	Not sure, haven't used it much.	04:19
+Radix-wrk	I'm pretty sure it does	04:19
DX^	What is CS?	04:19
@apeiron	Collaboration System.	04:19
DX^	ah	04:19
@apeiron	The guy who wrote it isn't here at the moment.	04:19
@apeiron	(the gallery)	04:19
DX^	webgui has all this?	04:19
+Radix-wrk	DX^: Collaboration System - the Gallery is a rewrite of it essentially	04:19
Samus_Aran	ADMIN: Fetching site data for foo.com.conf	04:20
+Radix-wrk	these are just a couple of the wobjects available	04:20
Samus_Aran	ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site foo.com.conf at http://foo.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout	04:20
Samus_Aran	that's all I get	04:20
Samus_Aran	then it resumes what looks like normal working	04:20
Samus_Aran	no more errors	04:20
Samus_Aran	(using --debug --run)	04:20
Samus_Aran	should spectre be started before or after Apache ?	04:21
Samus_Aran	I forget	04:21
+Radix-wrk	after	04:21
Samus_Aran	that's what I thought, and what I did. I guess I'll go dig around in the log files to see if there's anything more helpful	04:21
@apeiron	Samus_Aran, If you're using the WRE, try the 'all' target.	04:22
@apeiron	e.g. /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart all	04:22
+Radix-wrk	check the dns resolution for foo.com	04:22
Samus_Aran	apeiron: manual install via the guide, on an Ubuntu system	04:22
+Radix-wrk	Also check that the foo.com.conf has specified the right ip block for the spectre	04:23
Samus_Aran	Radix-wrk: I can get to the site and do all the admin stuff without any apparent issues, except a single lock on the home page item that I need to apply a theme to the whole site	04:23
Samus_Aran	I can apply versions fine	04:23
Samus_Aran	I mean commit	04:23
+Radix-wrk	hmm..	04:23
+Radix-wrk	so you can commit other things and they go through?	04:24
+Radix-wrk	might just be a stuck workflow then	04:24
Samus_Aran	I had issues with spectre before, but those were stopping everything	04:24
+Radix-wrk	go to workflows and run it manually perhaps	04:24
DX^	Can someone show me a web site using the collaboration system	04:25
Samus_Aran	I tried going to the URL the --debug gave me, and it eventually pops up a download window, but after a long time	04:25
Samus_Aran	perhaps the timeout is set too low	04:25
Samus_Aran	but I don't know why it would take a long time, the server is pretty fast	04:25
Samus_Aran	it says file type is text/json	04:25
+Radix-wrk	DX^: the collaboration system is incredibly flexible.. you can template it to do anything really. forums, photo galleries, flash video galleries, etc	04:25
Samus_Aran	pops up after about 60-90 seconds	04:25
+Radix-wrk	DX^: The collaboration system is probably the most flexible object in webgui imho - and any example we showed you would have the limitations imposed by the template used really.	04:27
+Radix-wrk	I have a flash video template I use for flash movies on our website - http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos	04:28
Samus_Aran	clicking on "Show running workflows" is lagging as well, though it isn't appearing even after 2+ minutes	04:28
DX^	So I can let people add stuff to this?	04:29
DX^	this seems way too complicated	04:29
DX^	I don't want to roll my own, hah	04:29
+Radix-wrk	it's not particularly complicated if you use an existing template	04:30
Samus_Aran	BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm line 19.	04:30
Samus_Aran	line 19 is "use Template;"	04:31
@apeiron	Samus_Aran, There'll probably be something before that line which explains the error.	04:31
@apeiron	e.g., "Can't find Template.pm in @INC [...]"	04:31
Samus_Aran	Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC	04:32
@apeiron	uh huh.	04:32
@apeiron	Samus_Aran, This site worked before?	04:32
Samus_Aran	yes, was working fine the past several weeks	04:32
@apeiron	Looks like your environment isn't set up properly. Using the same perl and such?	04:33
Samus_Aran	same GNU Screen session with same environment variables	04:33
Samus_Aran	Apache was updated by Ubuntu somewhere along the line I think	04:33
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@apeiron	hm. If Apache was updated, did it replace the config?	04:34
@apeiron	What about modperl?	04:34
Samus_Aran	@INC conta	04:34
Samus_Aran	ins: /var/www/WebGUI/lib	04:34
Samus_Aran	I can't remember if mod_perl was updated. I run an update every day or two on the server	04:34
Samus_Aran	the directory contains only WebGUI.pm. does the Perl @INC also read sub-directories ?	04:35
@apeiron	If the package name is appropriate.	04:35
@apeiron	e.g. if you want WebGUI::Session it'll look in /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI for Session.pm	04:36
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Samus_Aran	there are five Template .pm files in the sub directories	04:36
Samus_Aran	/var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm	04:37
@apeiron	Yes, they're all below /var/www/WebGUI/lib yes?	04:37
@apeiron	That means that they're all WebGUI:: packages.	04:37
Samus_Aran	oh wait, that was the package that tried to load Template.pm	04:37
@apeiron	Yes.	04:37
@apeiron	Template.pm is a separate, non-WebGUI module.	04:37
Samus_Aran	Oh, I see. confused me with so many Template.pm files in the WebGUI dir. I will confirm it is installed and up-to-date and all that	04:38
@apeiron	It has to be, if you've been running WebGUI before.	04:38
@apeiron	The fact that it's suddenly missing makes me think that either it was uninstalled by one of those updates of yours or some environment variable got broken somehow.	04:39
Samus_Aran	I will search the hard drive for Template.pm to see where it is	04:40
Samus_Aran	I ran the perl script to check the environment, and it only checks for HTML::Template:	04:41
Samus_Aran	is that the Template.pm ?	04:41
Samus_Aran	and it was installed according to the script	04:41
@apeiron	That's a different module.	04:42
Samus_Aran	testEnvironment.pl doesn't check for anything else with Template in it	04:42
Samus_Aran	installing Template Toolkit Version 2.19 manually	04:43
Samus_Aran	cpan install Template	04:43
@apeiron	Don't do that, you'll pull in junoscript.	04:43
@apeiron	(bit of a bug in the cpan command utility)	04:44
@apeiron	just run: cpan Template	04:44
@apeiron	Better, why not use a vendor package?	04:44
Samus_Aran	you mean apt-get install somethingorother ?	04:45
@apeiron	Yes.	04:45
Samus_Aran	I followed the instructions originally from the site, perhaps Ubuntu updated the module and broke things	04:46
Samus_Aran	it's installing them now	04:47
* Samus_Aran crosses fingers		04:47
* Samus_Aran goes to microwave a burrito...		04:47
Samus_Aran	different error now: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC	04:56
Samus_Aran	strange that all the modules were fine before, now they're all bungled up	04:57
@apeiron	Could be that one of your upgrades broke things.	04:57
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Samus_Aran	no more errors in the Apache log, but Spectre still gets: Response: 500 read timeout	05:02
Samus_Aran	will check webgui log	05:02
Samus_Aran	not completely sure what this means from the debug output of Spectre:	05:03
Samus_Aran	WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now.	05:03
Samus_Aran	WORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances.	05:03
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Samus_Aran	does that mean Spectre isn't running, or just that there are no workflows ?	05:03
@apeiron	If spectre's not running, there can't be any workflows queued.	05:04
@apeiron	Are you sure spectre's running?	05:05
Samus_Aran	I am watching it in debug mode, yes	05:07
Samus_Aran	okay, the webgui log explains the error as:	05:07
Samus_Aran	Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 72.	05:08
Samus_Aran	which is: next unless $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled");	05:08
@apeiron	So $instance->getWorkflow is returning undef.	05:09
Samus_Aran	maybe I should just update to .25	05:09
Samus_Aran	*35	05:09
* Samus_Aran notices the topic says .32		05:09
Samus_Aran	the testEnvironment told me .35 was available	05:09
-!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta \| WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org \| Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ \| Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008		05:09
@apeiron	no it doesn't	05:09
@apeiron	<.<	05:10
Samus_Aran	hehe	05:10
Samus_Aran	my mistake	05:10
@apeiron	No worries, easy mistake to make.	05:10
Samus_Aran	oh great, now I'm 9 versions behind :p	05:10
Samus_Aran	will try the update and hopefully this gremlin will take a hike	05:11
@apeiron	Honestly, first thing I'd try is simply restarting the whole shebang. May not help but I dunno.	05:11
Samus_Aran	the kernel has probably been updated along the line, though that doesn't usually affect things	05:12
Samus_Aran	except when the old kernel modules are removed	05:12
Samus_Aran	it has only been on for 14 days.. the Ubuntu is stupidly running in a VMware Player virtual machine on Windows 2003	05:13
Samus_Aran	had to do a Windows Update	05:13
Samus_Aran	I've been given the go ahead to scrap Win2K3 and put Ubuntu straight on the server, but haven't had any time	05:14
@apeiron	If you're going that route, maybe you should try the WRE?	05:14
Samus_Aran	there are lots of other web sites and databases running	05:14
@apeiron	On the Ubuntu VM?	05:15
Samus_Aran	plus I like security updates to be quick and easy	05:15
Samus_Aran	yes	05:15
@apeiron	ah.	05:15
Samus_Aran	it's quite silly, nothing on Win2K3 is even being used. the previous tech just sort of patched anything together	05:15
Samus_Aran	the network was a complete mess, too	05:15
@apeiron	You could set up Apache's mod_proxy to proxy to the other sites or host them outright, and set up the DB to be shared.	05:15
Samus_Aran	nothing labelled	05:16
Samus_Aran	once it isn't in the VM, it will help, as all the RAM will go to the VM. right now it is limiting it to half	05:16
Samus_Aran	oh, I checked, only 1/4	05:16
Samus_Aran	512MB instead of 2GB	05:16
@apeiron	Hello, swap city!	05:16
Samus_Aran	it's also a rack mount server.... sitting on a wooden shelf	05:17
@apeiron	wood? heh	05:17
Samus_Aran	they didn't even want to buy a locking metal cabinet with air vents	05:17
Samus_Aran	anyway, thank you for your help	05:18
Samus_Aran	I will get back to you after I've done the update if the gremlin lives on	05:18
@apeiron	no worries, hope things go well for you.	05:18
@apeiron	I might be in bed by that time, heh	05:18
Samus_Aran	it will be another day, my brain has melted and it's time for me to go home	05:18
@apeiron	night night, then.	05:18
Samus_Aran	goodnight. wanders off in the direction of home	05:18
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Samus_Aran	be back tomorrow =)	07:29
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patspam	hi guys, just wondering what the status of Survey 2.0 is? couldn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta	09:09
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ckotil	If i have a group that can read and edit an asset can i limit access to edit by leaving a user out of the turn admin on group?	16:32
BartJol	I don't think so...	16:34
BartJol	the canEdit boolean will be true	16:34
ckotil	bc if a user cant utrn on admin mode, how will they ever edit an asset?	16:34
BartJol	trying it	16:36
ckotil	cool, thanks.	16:36
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BartJol	ah, indeed	16:37
ckotil	works?	16:37
ckotil	nice. this will make my group structure much simpler and easier to manage	16:37
BartJol	they can't directly	16:37
BartJol	testing wehether they can do it by a fuvction in the url	16:38
ckotil	ya i was thinking that.	16:38
ckotil	?func=edit	16:38
BartJol	ah, they can edit, but don't see the edit button	16:39
ckotil	ok	16:39
ckotil	thats very good to know. thank you BartJol	16:39
BartJol	well it's a free day	16:41
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BartJol	and it's good for me to know to	16:41
BartJol	ckotil it's the <tmpl_if showAdmin> variable	16:48
ckotil	gotcha.	16:48
BartJol	fror pages	16:48
BartJol	and	16:49
BartJol	<tmpl_if session.var.adminOn for other assets	16:49
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BartJol	morning	16:56
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SDuensin	Greetings.	17:02
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@rizen	I'm thinking that we have to many people from Holland coming to the WUC.	17:18
BartJol	why?	17:18
@rizen	And maybe we, as Americans, should stage an uprising and not let them into our country.	17:18
@rizen	They may invade and try to take us over.	17:18
@rizen	=)	17:18
dionak	and make us drink massive amounts of beer?	17:19
BartJol	so you finally discovered our plans	17:19
dionak	sounds scary	17:19
@rizen	exactly dionak	17:19
@rizen	We still love you Bart	17:20
@rizen	=)	17:20
BartJol	well than you just have to feed us beer, and pretend that you're drinking too	17:20
dionak	lol	17:20
BartJol	thanks	17:20
BartJol	today it's national hangover day here	17:21
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CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6288 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	17:29
CIA-5	WebGUI: - rfe: subscribe entire user group to a collaboration message board	17:29
CIA-5	WebGUI: - Added show in forms and is editable properties to group manager.	17:29
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knowmad	And all's quiet....	17:50
tavisto	yes it is. heh	17:50
knowmad	Time for a question!	17:50
tavisto	I have a question for whoever wants it.	17:50
knowmad	Shoot	17:50
BartJol	only thing that happened that JT was expression his fears for dutch people	17:51
BartJol	but go ahead with the question	17:51
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tavisto	hah, okay. Has anyone tried using the permissions tab on the settings screen? I created a new user group called "reports" and set the Transactions permissions to that group. However, I tried accessing transactions with a user in that group and it says I dont have the permissions	17:52
tavisto	I tried to do it directly through the ?op=listTransactions and it comes back with the permissions error	17:53
BartJol	so that's the commerce system?	17:53
aknowmad	i haven't tried it	17:53
tavisto	yeah that's the transactions in WebGUI's commerce system	17:54
tavisto	but from what I can tell those permissions aren't working	17:54
aknowmad	7.5 or 7.4?	17:55
BartJol	maybe those people should also be in the turn admin on group	17:55
tavisto	this is latest beta	17:55
tavisto	yeah I'm just afraid they would mess stuff up :)	17:55
@preaction	they should only have to be in the correct group	17:56
@preaction	shouldn't also have to be in Turn Admin On	17:56
tavisto	yeah, that's what I thought.. I thought you could basically setup ANY regular user group to be able to do those specific functions	17:56
aknowmad	I've got an SQL question -- what comes back from an unconditional_read request? api docs say it's a result set statement handle. how do I use that to get at the data returned from a SELECT query?	17:57
BartJol	so your statement is SELECT * from table;?	17:58
BartJol	oh sorry, misunderstood	18:02
BartJol	that's a bit too deep for me	18:08
@preaction	aknowmad, see WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet. something as simple as while ( my $row = $sth->hash ) { ... }	18:12
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aknowmad	are you referring to api docs or the code?	18:13
aknowmad	is it a true DBI sth? can I call methods like fetchall_hashref with it?	18:14
@preaction	not that i know of	18:15
@preaction	but check the API docs	18:15
aknowmad	ok, i don't see that method in there so assume it's not availabe	18:16
@preaction	i don't think it's a subclass, but... if you wanted fetchall_arrayref why are you using $db->read instead of $db->buildArrayRefOfHashRefs	18:16
aknowmad	i guess it's not a DBI sth	18:16
aknowmad	ahh, because i didn't know that method was available.... I'm still learning the ins and outs of wG's db workings	18:17
aknowmad	which brings up another question--when do you recommend using read vs. unconditional_red?	18:17
aknowmad	s/red/read/	18:17
aknowmad	also, are these methods essentially helpers that perform prepare and execute in one fell swoop?	18:20
@preaction	unconditional read is, if i'm not mistaken, "don't error if the statement fails"	18:20
aknowmad	yes, that's what the docs tell me	18:21
aknowmad	but i'm wondering what the use case is for this method	18:21
@preaction	yes, they're essentially helpers that call prepare, execute, and fetch all at once	18:21
@preaction	when you don't want an error in the read to kill the rest of the process? i dunno, i've never used it	18:21
aknowmad	that's what i was wondering	18:21
aknowmad	my thinking is it's not something to use lightly	18:22
aknowmad	unconditional_read, that is	18:22
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aknowmad	ok, thanks for the insights preaction	18:23
aknowmad	morning perlDreamer	18:23
+perlDreamer	morning aknowmad	18:23
+perlDreamer	are you _the_ knowmad, or just _a_knowmad?	18:24
aknowmad	i'm THE knowmad; had some problems with my client reserving just 'knowmad' nick	18:24
aknowmad	might be b/c i'm laid up in bed sick :(	18:24
+perlDreamer	oy	18:24
+perlDreamer	not a good day	18:24
aknowmad	better than yesterday when i had a 102F fever!	18:24
+perlDreamer	I recommend lots of hot drinks and SciFi reruns	18:25
aknowmad	yeah, i've done the teas; i've got a bit of code to write then will be cranking up some Battlestar Galactica reruns	18:25
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CIA-5	WebGUI: yung * r6289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with delete Thing permissions	18:36
@apeiron	gack, coding while sick is a Bad Idea.	18:37
+perlDreamer	yeah, it's better to write tests	18:37
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citronized	hi :)	23:33
+perlDreamer	Hi	23:33
+perlDreamer	do you have some WebGUI questions, citronized?	23:33
citronized	I'm wondering if I can install WebGUI and still use MAMP (Apache+MySQL) for other local sites ?	23:35
+perlDreamer	yes	23:36
citronized	do I have to download the source or the WRE ?	23:36
citronized	I don't want to mess my present configuration :-/	23:37
+perlDreamer	it is easiest to use the WRE, since it's all optimized to work well together	23:37
+perlDreamer	and there's nothing stopping you from running other sites on the WRE as static sites	23:37
citronized	ok, but I'll need to rename some conf files, is that right ?	23:38
+perlDreamer	perhaps, it depends on what you're trying to do	23:38
citronized	just trying to try WebGUI :D	23:39
+perlDreamer	have you tried a demo site yet?	23:39
citronized	yup	23:39
citronized	seem to be weel feet to my project :)	23:39
+perlDreamer	good	23:40
+perlDreamer	WebGUI tries to meet all sorts of needs	23:40
citronized	looks like, yup	23:40
citronized	basically, I need a pool function (perhaps I need to custom it) and an access to a dedicated MySQL DB	23:41
citronized	and a good user dashboard configuration :)	23:42
citronized	my project is a free library, so I need to be able to write records, etc.	23:42
citronized	mange groups	23:43
citronized	manage	23:43
citronized	I believe WebGUI is able to meet my needs, isn't it ?	23:44
+perlDreamer	not sure what a "pool function" is, but WebGUI has very fine grained group and user privileges and a dashboard.	23:44
citronized	well, I've seen in the demo that polls are limited to 20 answers (excuse my english for the pool :) ) and I might need more answers per question ;)	23:47
+perlDreamer	ah, not a problem about the english.	23:47
+perlDreamer	There is a new poll function coming out at the end of May	23:47
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: ping. You awake/around?	23:48
citronized	good news :)	23:48
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2 would know how the new poll works, since he wrote it :)	23:48
citronized	good	23:48
citronized	I don't think my needs are that complex :)	23:49
+perlDreamer	have you seen the i18n.webgui.org site, for translating WebGUI into other languages?	23:49
citronized	nope	23:49
+perlDreamer	You can download and install a French language pack	23:49
+perlDreamer	it's about 38% translated	23:49
+perlDreamer	or, if you wish, you can actually use that website to contribute back to the project by translating things that aren't done yet	23:50
citronized	wow, cool way to share, i think :)	23:51
+perlDreamer	Yeah. Since I mainly speak english, I try to write tests and help people out in the forums and here on IRC.	23:51
citronized	perhaps i can help them in spanish too :)	23:51
+perlDreamer	that would be cool	23:52
+perlDreamer	there's been a group from Colombia working on the Spanish translation for a while	23:52
+perlDreamer	they've done a huge amount of work	23:52
citronized	great	23:52
citronized	I still haven't read anything about hosting, is there particular server settings needed ?	23:53
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install	23:54
+perlDreamer	that's how to do a source install	23:54
citronized	cool :)	23:55
+perlDreamer	the wiki has a ton of info on using and installing WebGUI	23:56
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citronized	mmmh... the source install seems a bit tricky for me :o	23:57
+perlDreamer	well, you can use the WRE, but you'd need to move your other configs over to its apache	23:58
+perlDreamer	it might be better to use a different server than your main one for initial tinkering	23:59
citronized	well, my "server" is my iMac :)	23:59
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+perlDreamer	that's actually good, since the main WebGUI devs all use Macs	00:00
+perlDreamer	it will mean fewer hiccups	00:00
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citronized	what are hiccups ?	00:01
+perlDreamer	with respect to computers, problems or glitches	00:01
citronized	ok, aka bugs ? :)	00:02
+perlDreamer	with respect to people, it's when the diaphragm muscle contracts quickly	00:02
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:02
citronized	right, i get it ;)	00:02
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citronized	to host webgui do I need more then apache, MySQL and PHP ?	00:04
+perlDreamer	no PHP, perl	00:05
+perlDreamer	perl and mod_perl	00:05
+perlDreamer	and yes, you do	00:05
citronized	oh, ok	00:05
+perlDreamer	ImageMagick	00:05
citronized	ok	00:05
+perlDreamer	a ton of perl modules	00:05
+perlDreamer	it should all be there in the wiki page	00:06
citronized	so an Unix server i guess ?	00:06
+perlDreamer	no, it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux/Unix	00:06
citronized	ok	00:06
+perlDreamer	well, Macs nowadays are really BSD/Unix based	00:06
citronized	i'm gonna look deeper in the wiki then ;)	00:07
citronized	sure they are	00:07
citronized	my present personal website use Joomla, but it seems that webgui is even more intuitive :)	00:08
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citronized	I'm wondering about the client side code, are the webgui site W3C compliant ?	00:11
@preaction	yes. it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict with a text/html doctype	00:11
citronized	that's a really good news :)	00:12
+perlDreamer	citronized: you said this is for a library?	00:13
citronized	kind of, yup	00:13
citronized	about mini cars :)	00:13
citronized	die-cast and stuff :)	00:14
+perlDreamer	sounds fun	00:14
citronized	I allready have some 16.000 refs for my DB	00:14
citronized	but i want it collaborative	00:14
citronized	i want people to share, build a kind of qualitative library :)	00:15
citronized	with some control on what people post and share	00:16
citronized	dunno if it's hard to make a form to write records in an separate DB ?	00:17
+perlDreamer	for that, either use the SQL Form or the new Thingy that is coming out (end of May)	00:21
+perlDreamer	for simple reporting, use the SQL Report	00:21
citronized	ok	00:26
citronized	seems easy :)	00:27
+perlDreamer	for the most part it is.	00:28
citronized	i guess it can be more tricky to control the data	00:28
citronized	or stuff like that :)	00:29
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citronized	are those perl module enough to install webgui ? (i may host my site there :) )	00:49
citronized	http://start.ovh.net/infos/perl.cgi	00:49
+perlDreamer	will this hoster give you command line access to your site?	00:51
citronized	dunno :-/	00:51
+perlDreamer	you have to have command line access to install WebGUI on another hoster	00:51
citronized	mmh	00:51
citronized	ok	00:52
+perlDreamer	in order to start up spectre and edit the config files	00:52
citronized	right, i've seen that in the installation guide, but i haven't though that the hoster would need it :o	00:53
citronized	maybe I should start building a local server, but will I be able to migrate it to another host, later ?	00:54
+perlDreamer	yes, as long as you have command line access	00:55
+perlDreamer	or, you could use a WebGUI hoster, like Plain Black or Procolix	00:55
+perlDreamer	Plain Black does a lot of hosting here in the US, and Procolix is a Dutch company	00:55
citronized	can they host french sites ?	00:57
citronized	i guess not	00:57
+perlDreamer	sure, I don't see why not	00:57
citronized	dunno, sometimes, internet isn't that virtual :)	00:57
+perlDreamer	true	00:57
citronized	does plain black allows upgrades ? I mean if my site become serious, will I be able to upgrade datastorage and stuff ?	00:59
+perlDreamer	yes	00:59
citronized	cool :)	01:00
citronized	i should take a look to plain black offers, then :)	01:00
+perlDreamer	yes	01:01
citronized	what is the best beginners hosting ? :)	01:02
+perlDreamer	unsupported, basic hosting is $20/month	01:03
+perlDreamer	https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/unsupported-site-hosting	01:03
+perlDreamer	hosting with support is $50/month	01:04
+perlDreamer	https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/supported-virtual-hosting	01:04
@rizen	a lot of people start out with the $50/mo package and then downgrade to the $20 once they're comfortable	01:04
+perlDreamer	not speaking Dutch, I can't tell you how the comparable rates are for Procolix	01:04
citronized	not speakin dutch either :)	01:05
+perlDreamer	rizen: will Thingy require an extra db like the SQL Form?	01:05
@rizen	no	01:05
@rizen	if you email koen@procolix.nl he will speak English with you	01:06
citronized	ok, ty rizen ;)	01:06
+perlDreamer	need to reboot, be back in a bit	01:09
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citronized	seems that plain black is slightly cheaper, and provide more :)	01:17
citronized	ok guys, thank for your help, it's a bit late here, I need some sleep :)	01:19
+perlDreamer	good night	01:19
citronized	hope i'll see you around ;)	01:19
citronized	bye	01:20
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+perlDreamer	hopefully we helped another new WebGUI user today :)	01:21
@rizen	perlDreamer rulez	01:30
@rizen	if i had to do my PBWG interview over again, on the "What is WebGUI's killer feature?" question, I'd answer: perlDreamer	01:31
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+perlDreamer	thanks, dude	01:44
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6290 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	02:06
CIA-5	WebGUI: Handle null productNumbers in the Product variant translation.	02:06
CIA-5	WebGUI: Update the product loading script to add more products.	02:06
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snapcount	yes it finally works!	03:41
snapcount	I wrote a POE daemon with IKC that wraps a POE IRC bot	03:42
snapcount	so I can send messages to chat channels from other perl scripts with like three lines of code	03:42
snapcount	I wanted to use the CIA thing but our repos is not public	03:43
snapcount	and installing it on your own server was... well a bit messy	03:43
snapcount	if anyone is interested I'll give you the code... it's very very simple	03:44
snapcount	but works nicely	03:44
snapcount	anyways... gotta head home... bbl	03:44
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patspam	can anyone give me a heads-up on the current state of play with Survey 2.0? I didn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta?	05:22
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@preaction	patspam, it will hopefully be in 7.5.11. the author says his deadline for his sponsors is this week	05:51
@preaction	patspam, if you want to try it, there's a Survey 2.0 branch in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch	05:51
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patspam	ah fantastic, thanks preaction	06:10
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+perlDreamer	rizen: art thou awake?	06:54
+perlDreamer	I need some help designing the variant table to work with collateral	07:29
+perlDreamer	It's probably easier than I'm making it	07:29
+perlDreamer	but I'll catch you tomorrow	07:29
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6291 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: new variant table schema	08:02
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BartJol	morning	10:31
BartJol	awfully quiet here	11:45
BartJol	well let me state a question then	11:45
BartJol	I try to turn on my awstats	11:45
BartJol	[Fri May 02 10:31:14 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /data/wre/prereqs/wwwroot/awstats.pl	11:46
BartJol	this error comes up	11:46
BartJol	I tried to add ExecCGI to alle the necessary options	11:46
BartJol	but no result and my modproxy want restart because of it	11:47
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BartJol	hee knowmad, already figured out the unconditionalRead stuff?	15:17
ckotil	Is there a way to prevent a subset of assets from getting indexed by search?	15:22
ckotil	users want a 'staging area' on the production sites. bleh	15:23
+MrHairgrease	well, you could limit the scope of the search assets	15:23
+MrHairgrease	you can select the brach it searches trhough	15:23
+MrHairgrease	or you could set the privs of the assets toi something visitors don't see	15:24
ckotil	yah, that could work. but i have a global search that searches from root on down. perhaps i can tweak that a little.	15:24
+MrHairgrease	ah	15:24
ckotil	yah, that could work. ill try it out. thanks MrHairgrease	15:24
+MrHairgrease	you prolly don't want that anyway since that also include all the stuff in the import node	15:24
knowmad	hi BartJol; yes, i got the answer i was needing	15:25
ckotil	your right :)	15:25
+MrHairgrease	no problemo	15:25
ckotil	noones complained about that tho. im waiting to hear somehting like 'what are all these templates doing in search?'	15:25
BartJol	good to hear	15:25
knowmad	yeah, and the code I wrote appears to be working!	15:25
BartJol	congrats	15:26
knowmad	yeah, we have a team of 20 working round the clock on a queue; had some record locking problems that was causing multiple users to get the same record from the queue which is bad in many ways	15:26
BartJol	doesn't sound good, and 20 people?! whoah	15:28
knowmad	yeah, there's lots of potential for race conditions	15:28
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SDuensin	Greetings.	15:58
+MrHairgrease	Greasings	15:59
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CIA-5	WebGUI: martin * r6292 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a bug that prevented updating the cart	16:36
+MrHairgrease	rizen, are you awake?	16:36
@rizen	yeah	16:42
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:42
+MrHairgrease	I cannot set a shipping address	16:42
+MrHairgrease	no errors	16:42
+MrHairgrease	so i strated digging	16:42
@rizen	it's because i programmed that in there to prevent you from doing it	16:42
+MrHairgrease	in the end i added an eval in the address book content handler	16:43
+MrHairgrease	and then it gave me a 'cannot call method session on an undefined value in line 433'	16:43
+MrHairgrease	that is in Shop::AddressBook->www_view	16:44
+MrHairgrease	oh crap	16:44
+MrHairgrease	found it i think	16:44
+MrHairgrease	let me try	16:44
+MrHairgrease	yeah that seems to do it	16:46
+MrHairgrease	the problem was this:	16:46
+MrHairgrease	if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $sub->() }	16:46
+MrHairgrease	i changed that to	16:47
+MrHairgrease	if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $cart->$method() }	16:47
+MrHairgrease	why is that construction used anyway?	16:48
@rizen	oh	16:50
@rizen	that was something i was trying out, and forgot to put back	16:50
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:50
+MrHairgrease	I'll turn it into the working state then	16:50
@rizen	graham said it would work, but it didn't	16:50
@rizen	sorry about that	16:50
+MrHairgrease	nm, chasing weird bugs keeps me off the streets	16:51
+MrHairgrease	question about the subscriptions	16:51
+MrHairgrease	should I implement the subscription code thing on a per supscription basis	16:51
+MrHairgrease	taht is, put it in the subscription asset	16:51
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@rizen	yes please	16:52
+MrHairgrease	ok	16:52
@rizen	and we'll remove the "redeem subscription" link from the profile links	16:52
@rizen	which nobody could ever find anyway	16:52
+MrHairgrease	yeah, and move that into the asset of course	16:52
@rizen	exactly	16:52
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ckotil	wow, im performing a ginourmous cut/paste. its taking a whle, i hope it doesnt time out.	16:57
ckotil	thankfully, on a test instance.	16:57
ckotil	:x thought it was , anyway.	17:03
ckotil	worked out.	17:03
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+MrHairgrease	yay, the basic subscription stuff works	17:21
+MrHairgrease	proceeding with the codes	17:21
BartJol	oh rizen maybe this is a nice wuc theme "By God, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen!" (Samuel Pepys, English marine officer)	17:23
+MrHairgrease	Bart, I'm not sure whether that is a Good Thing...	17:24
BartJol	oh?	17:25
+MrHairgrease	but it's true anyway =)	17:25
BartJol	well, from JT's point of biew it is	17:25
BartJol	and it's historical reoccurring it seems	17:25
BartJol	the feeling, that is	17:25
+MrHairgrease	hm, I have not a specific feeling about shitting devils	17:26
+MrHairgrease	biertje?	17:27
BartJol	nou	17:27
BartJol	lijkt me wel wat	17:27
+MrHairgrease	als jij ze nou even pakt, dan krijg je em van oqapi	17:27
CIA-5	WebGUI: martin * r6293 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Shop.pm: Reverted a problem which caused the address book content handler to fail	17:42
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ckotil	anyone have a file import script that also handles directories? turning them into folder assets? fileImport.pl doesnt seem to do that.	18:02
+MrHairgrease	That's been on my todo list for a long time	18:02
+MrHairgrease	but I never have found the tim eto do it	18:03
ckotil	this siteimport.pl might do it actually. but its a pain to use.	18:03
+MrHairgrease	It shouldn't be to difficult though	18:03
ckotil	heh, im not a very good programmer.	18:03
dionak	topsub created a modified version of fileImport.pl to create folders recently.	18:06
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dionak	basically, the method checked to see if the folder already existed. if not, addChild is called with the className WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder to create it	18:10
+MrHairgrease	rizen: looking at the original code it seems that it was possible to tie multiple subscriptions to a subscription code	18:13
+MrHairgrease	however the form element seems to have allowed only one	18:13
+MrHairgrease	is it okay to have a one-to-one subscription<->code relation?	18:14
@rizen	yup	18:14
+MrHairgrease	ok	18:14
ckotil	dionak: is the modified script posted in contributions?	18:16
dionak	no, it's not. it's not generalized...	18:17
dionak	but the basic idea is there	18:17
ckotil	ok	18:17
dionak	has anyone done subscriptions in 7.4.29? I've been asked to do this. I know you guys are working on it for 7.5.x	18:18
+MrHairgrease	yeah they exist in 7.4 too	18:18
+MrHairgrease	that is the old commerce system	18:18
dionak	ok, let me dig around a bit...	18:18
+MrHairgrease	there in the admin console	18:19
+MrHairgrease	gotta gop	18:19
+MrHairgrease	later	18:19
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dionak	i just setup some subscriptions but when i try to subscribe, the site reports 'Shipping is not possible because no shipping plugins are enabled'. why would i need shipping for subscriptions?	18:47
dionak	or is this what you guys are addressing?	18:47
dionak	btw, i got the info from the administrator's guide. very helpful	18:48
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@rizen	shipping determines tax rate	19:02
@rizen	whether you ship something or not	19:02
dionak	but how does that tie to subscriptions? there's no option in relation to a subscription for shipping.	19:11
dionak	i see that for product	19:11
dionak	oh, wait..	19:12
dionak	i see. i just enabled shipping in the commerce admin console	19:13
+perlDreamer	rizen: do you have time to talk about the product variant table?	19:19
@rizen	i will in a few, i'll let you know	19:20
@rizen	you can start typing your questions if you want	19:20
+perlDreamer	I'll start with the background	19:21
+perlDreamer	table definition at docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl, line 595	19:21
+perlDreamer	I was thinking that variants should be more Product collateral, so that their display order can be rearranged by the user	19:22
+perlDreamer	I wanted to use the variant sku as the primary key	19:22
+perlDreamer	however, the collateral code won't let me use arbitrary keys as collateral indexes	19:22
+perlDreamer	it really wants to use GUIDs	19:23
+perlDreamer	similarly, it prefers to use assetId to identify parentage, but I was planning on using mastersku (sku of parent asset)	19:23
+perlDreamer	that's all to support inventory sync'ing	19:24
+perlDreamer	so then I built a table schema that has variant sku, mastersku, assetId and variantId	19:24
+perlDreamer	and it seems like wasted space	19:24
+perlDreamer	I'm worrying too much about something in there, but I can't figure out what	19:24
+perlDreamer	I'm curious how you'd do this, but more importantly, why you would make the decisions you'd make to arrive at a solution	19:25
@rizen	first, don't store mastersku with the variant	19:25
@rizen	mastersku is changable by the user	19:25
@rizen	so the relationship has to be maintained by assetId	19:26
@rizen	and also, sku is changable by user, therefore using a variantid guid is still a good idea, and therefore collateral still works	19:26
@rizen	you should never use something changable by a user a as a primary key	19:27
@rizen	so how i would do it is to have a table that looks like:	19:27
@rizen	create table Product_variant ( variantId varchar(22) binary not null primary key, assetId varchar(22) binary not null, sku varchar(35) binary not null, ........, sequenceNumber int not null default 1, index assetId_sequenceNumber (assetId, sequenceNumber))	19:29
@rizen	OR	19:29
@rizen	even better would be to move all the collateral tables of product into json blob fields as mediumtext into the product, so that the product could be deployed as a package or a prototype	19:30
+perlDreamer	from what I've seen, packages can be deployed with collateral	19:31
+perlDreamer	and I've already gone down the path of JSON madness, and it was no fun	19:31
@rizen	packages can be	19:31
+perlDreamer	but not prototypes	19:31
@rizen	but you still lose out on versioning and prototypes	19:31
+perlDreamer	true	19:32
@rizen	the json stuff isn't necessary if you don't want to do it...i just think it would be better	19:32
+perlDreamer	in either case, still need to work out the schema	19:32
@rizen	the schema for what?	19:33
+perlDreamer	if you grab the 2008-04 log from mentalhouse and look at line 11509, you'll see that we decided that we needed master sku in the variant for inventory sync'ing	19:33
@rizen	i just gave you the schema for variant	19:33
@rizen	no we didn't	19:33
@rizen	we need a master sku	19:33
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@rizen	we DON'T need it in the variant	19:34
+perlDreamer	ah	19:34
@rizen	we have it in the product	19:34
@rizen	the product inherits sku from WebGUI::Asset::Sku	19:34
@rizen	so we have our master sku right there	19:34
+perlDreamer	okay	19:34
@rizen	and varients have assetId	19:34
@rizen	so you have the relationship	19:34
+perlDreamer	okay, I'm straightened out	19:36
@rizen	sweet	19:36
+perlDreamer	so my apprenticeship lessons are:	19:37
+perlDreamer	1) Don't get confused by CSV requirements and table schemas	19:38
+perlDreamer	2) Don't use anything the user can touch as a primary key	19:38
@rizen	correct	19:39
@rizen	oh...and that JSON blobs, while tricky, aren't bad	19:39
@rizen	they give users more features	19:39
@rizen	and per my black blog posting today, they may actually become a requirement for collateral storage	19:39
* perlmonkey2 really needs to get his feedreader working with wG.		19:40
+perlDreamer	well, I'll try to get my feet wet then	19:40
@apeiron	hmm, has anyone thought about using http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ for the various admin console / func=edit type features in wG? Basically it allows for word processor-like undo/redo and the like for Webapps.	19:44
@rizen	i've thought about firing you for making suggestions	19:45
+perlmonkey2	apeiron: wow	19:45
+perlDreamer	I thought you were trying to give him a complex	19:45
@rizen	but then i realized that your a valuable employee	19:45
@rizen	=)	19:45
@apeiron	You know, psychologically abusing people like that can make them lash out.	19:46
@rizen	i'm just trying to get you pumped up for the annual Plain Black golden gloves tournament. You're in my weight class aren't you?	19:48
@rizen	=)	19:48
dionak	i need to get more input on subscriptions. we have a publication site that has several types of subscriptions. for instance, one group has access to 5 publications, another 6. so we made a group for each publication and then subscription groups, like 'Member' and 'Member Plus'. I created subscriptions and assigned them to each group ('Member', 'Member Plus').	19:48
@rizen	you're right so far dionak	19:49
dionak	What I'd like to see happen is that when a subscription expires, the user is prompted to subscribe again. How can I set this up so a user is prompted to renew the type of subscription they had and test this?	19:49
dionak	btw, i've been updating the wiki as I go along here	19:50
+perlDreamer	isn't there a group expire message field in the group?	19:50
dionak	looking...	19:50
CIA-5	WebGUI: graham * r6294 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): removed legacy wgFieldUserData table	19:50
+perlDreamer	exipreNotify, expireOffset, expireNotifyMessage	19:51
+perlDreamer	not sure if they're exposed through the group interface yet...	19:51
+perlDreamer	yes it is	19:52
dionak	so when the subscription expires, the user is expired from the subscription group based on the subscription term or group expiration, or both?	19:53
+perlDreamer	I _think_ they're tied together, so both	19:54
+perlDreamer	the group is created based on the subscription?	19:54
dionak	and the notify occurs via email....	19:54
+perlDreamer	yes	19:54
+perlDreamer	also the WebGUI Inbox	19:54
dionak	well, the group is associated with the subscription.	19:54
+perlDreamer	Workflow/Activity/ExpireGroupings.pm	19:54
dionak	ok	19:54
dionak	so i could use the GroupText macro to test if they are in the group and, if not, i would need to send them back through the commerce piece to choose a subscription.	19:55
dionak	no way to know what group they were in..	19:55
@rizen	huh	19:55
dionak	i'm thinking of the web interface only here	19:55
+perlDreamer	Different macros for different groups	19:55
+perlDreamer	well, same macro, different instances checking for different group membership	19:56
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+perlDreamer	The user's group expire date is set by the subscription, see the apply method in WebGUI::Subscription	19:56
+perlDreamer	so it will work correctly	19:56
dionak	but they would be expired from a group, correct?	19:56
+perlDreamer	yes	19:56
dionak	so how would i know what their subscription was?	19:57
dionak	it's not critical but i'm curious	19:57
dionak	i guess i could look it up in one of the subscription tables?	19:57
+perlDreamer	you _could_ write a counterpart to the GroupText macro that only displayed text if the user was about to expire	19:57
+perlDreamer	it would check the Group's expire notify offset settings and display text appropriately	19:58
+perlDreamer	might be a good core addition too, to complement C2	19:59
dionak	hm, i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be entertaining (and short) to write but i don't think it fits this situation. we altered search.pm to make a public search. if a user doesn't have permission, i want to prompt them to login or expire. i think i can do this via the login template	20:01
+perlDreamer	if you can, it should save you the time of writing and testing the macro, so it sounds like a good call	20:07
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dionak	thanks for the input. i'm going to try that route	20:21
CIA-5	WebGUI: yung * r6296 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with add_url tmpl_var permissions	20:40
CIA-5	WebGUI: yung * r6297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix: Thingy: edit thing doesn't show any saved properties	20:40
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ckotil	any idea why a 78k pdf would appear to be 3MB in webgui?	21:32
+perlmonkey2	Is there a trick to gettign modproxy to like new certs and keys? I just copied over my existing ones from apache.	21:33
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ckotil	oh i see. the asset has a brazillion revisions.	22:03
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CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6298 /WebGUI/ (t/Cache lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm t/Cache/Database.t): added some database cache tests while testing out a theory, the theory is busted, but at least we have some more tests	23:28
+perlDreamer	rizen, what was the theory?	23:32
@rizen	it was actually haarg's theory. the idea was that if we cached the prepared statement on database backed cache we'd get a significant performance boost since the query to retrieve cache might be used a hundred times per request	23:33
@rizen	however, if there was a performance gain, it was so small it couldn't be measured by Time::HiRes	23:34
@rizen	it was a great theory	23:34
@rizen	unfortunately it just didn't hold water, which is too bad	23:34
+perlDreamer	I've heard of other things like that at OSCON talks	23:35
+perlDreamer	cached queries, memcached being a huge performance gain	23:35
@rizen	how big of a gain could it be if it's so small that it can't be measured by Time::HiRes	23:38
@rizen	=)	23:38
@rizen	the difference is statistically insignificant	23:39
+perlDreamer	I believe you	23:39
@rizen	Then again, we are talking about measuring things than are are less than 0.003 seconds	23:39
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charleyhankins	Hi! Anyone here really familiar with Thingy?	00:21
+perlDreamer	nope	00:21
+perlDreamer	have you checked the forums and the bug list?	00:21
charleyhankins	yeah. I've been working in the forums.	00:21
+perlDreamer	are you having problems, or asking for best practices, or something else?	00:22
charleyhankins	I'm using it, but having a couple of issues. wondering if anyone could help me out.	00:22
+perlDreamer	I'll give it a shot	00:22
+perlDreamer	what's up?	00:22
charleyhankins	thanks. basically i need my thingy search to operate like this: http://goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work	00:22
charleyhankins	but having trouble with the category drop down.	00:23
+perlDreamer	what kind of trouble?	00:23
charleyhankins	I'm here: http://web402.plainblack.net/home/great-place-to-live/chamber-of-commerce/membership	00:23
charleyhankins	as you can see. the drop down pulls directly from the dbase. And when I search using it, it returns no results.	00:24
charleyhankins	I also need it be be alphabetical.	00:24
@rizen	i don't have time to look at it, but if the search isn't working then it very well could be a bug	00:25
@rizen	as far as alphabetical, that would be an RFE	00:25
+perlDreamer	yeah, I'd say you found a bug	00:25
@rizen	although i think that RFE has already been implemented in 7.5.11	00:25
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@rizen	which won't be released until after May 31st	00:25
+perlDreamer	charleyharkins: you have a paid support contract from Plain Black?	00:26
charleyhankins	problem is, I need this fixed by monday.	00:26
charleyhankins	yeah.	00:26
charleyhankins	but it's slow going.	00:26
@rizen	then post your questions there	00:26
charleyhankins	i have.	00:26
@rizen	you have only basic support, which guarantees a response within 48 hours...so yeah, it will be a bit slow going	00:27
@rizen	and since it's 4:27 on a friday	00:27
@rizen	i guarantee you that any problems you are having with thingy will not be resolved by monday	00:27
charleyhankins	i've been working with this for weeks.	00:27
charleyhankins	right.	00:27
charleyhankins	anyway, thanks for your help.	00:27
@rizen	report the bug	00:28
@rizen	but regarding having problems...i'm sure that this was explained to you when you signed up for the beta server	00:28
@rizen	it is a beta after all.=)	00:28
charleyhankins	sure. let me ask you this question then. Is there another way to accomplish this within WebGUI? http://www.goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work	00:29
@rizen	i have no idea what i'm looking at	00:30
@rizen	looks like a page to me	00:30
+perlDreamer	search function with text entry fields and some dropdowns	00:30
charleyhankins	yes.	00:30
@rizen	i see a webgui site	00:30
@rizen	are you guys seeing something else?	00:30
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:31
@rizen	hmmm...my dns must be screwed up	00:31
+perlDreamer	I see a search form with text fields and dropdowns for selecting categories	00:31
charleyhankins	i have a db of businesses. they need to be searchable by business name, last name, category. The category needs to be drop down box.	00:31
@rizen	have you chosen "Select Box" as your field type in Thingy?	00:32
@rizen	for category	00:32
charleyhankins	yes. and it is when editing the field, but the search box is always a text box.	00:32
@rizen	if you have, then it will be a dropdown in the search	00:32
@rizen	oh	00:32
charleyhankins	no, it's not.	00:32
@rizen	if it's not display a dropdown in search then that's a bug	00:33
@rizen	the search should display the same field type as the edit form	00:33
charleyhankins	can i create a seperate dropdown search for that particular field in the search template?	00:33
@rizen	i don't know i haven't looked into the templates that much	00:33
charleyhankins	how would I code that in particular?	00:33
@rizen	one thing you could do is create another Thing in that Thingy called "Category"	00:34
@rizen	and populate it with your list of categories	00:34
@rizen	then that would drop down a list in the search	00:34
charleyhankins	that's what I have. and it populates with categories, but does not return results.	00:34
@rizen	then that's a bug and you should report it	00:34
@rizen	and as far as fixing it by Monday you're screwed	00:35
charleyhankins	ha! ok. thanks.	00:35
@rizen	the only other advice i have would be to try to create a category using the Radio List field type	00:35
@rizen	maybe that would display as a radio list in the search results	00:35
@rizen	which is ugly	00:35
@rizen	but at least it would work	00:35
charleyhankins	sure. but, hey... right	00:35
charleyhankins	i'll give it a go.	00:36
charleyhankins	thanks.	00:36
+perlDreamer	how about not using the template field for that form, but building the select box with a SQL macro and HTML right in the template?	00:36
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@apeiron	May it be known, across the lands, for all to hear, that apeiron hates JS.	01:06
+perlDreamer	indeed	01:06
@apeiron	Well, HTML and CSS, too.	01:06
@apeiron	And SQL.	01:06
+perlDreamer	btw, you're not doing too bad. The message got to Oregon :)	01:06
+perlDreamer	How does SQL rank against JS?	01:07
@apeiron	eh	01:07
@apeiron	Other projects I can use DBIx::Class and such.	01:07
@apeiron	JS... there's no escape.	01:07
+perlDreamer	I like SQL better than JS	01:07
+perlDreamer	because you can hide behind a lot of perl :)	01:07
@apeiron	yeah.	01:08
@apeiron	That doesn't make me 'like' SQL any more.	01:08
@apeiron	If I wasn't a teetotaler, JS would drive me to drink.	01:08
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+perlmonkey2	apeiron: or is it just the YUI?	01:17
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, YUI is nice, but JS is JS and there's a hundred different little inconsistencies between browsers that don't exist in perlland.	01:18
@apeiron	(and the inconsistencies that do exist in perlland are documented in perldelta)	01:18
+perlDreamer	well, to be fair, not all of them are	01:19
@apeiron	Oh?	01:19
+perlDreamer	Consider working on Windows, Solaris, and Fedora	01:19
@apeiron	ah.	01:19
+perlmonkey2	YUI does insulate you against most of the browser problems.	01:19
@apeiron	perldoc perlport. :)	01:19
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, Yeah, when you're doing YUI things.	01:19
+perlDreamer	that won't cover the fedora issues	01:19
@apeiron	heh	01:19
@apeiron	perldoc psychiatrist	01:19
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@apeiron	(preventative measures; they were in #perl spewing CCs and SSNs)	01:28
+perlDreamer	huh?	01:28
+perlDreamer	what is +b?	01:28
@apeiron	ban	01:28
@apeiron	cannot enter channel and if in channel when ban is placed, cannot speak or reenter	01:29
nuba	awesome, lets quickly /j #perl	01:29
nuba	now seriously, that sucks	01:29
* apeiron nods		01:30
nuba	probably some disaffected college student	01:30
+perlDreamer	yeah, you know those college students	01:30
+perlDreamer	always causing trouble	01:31
* apeiron looks around shiftily		01:31
@apeiron	I've, uh, I've no idea what you're talking about!	01:31
* perlDreamer seems to remember that nuba is similarly attending a place of higher education		01:32
nuba	im a college student here, CS baccaulaureate, but i've left the disaffected part behind already	01:32
nuba	im just too busy to spend time with that	01:32
nuba	but you can sense it around, anyway	01:33
nuba	young people looking for trouble	01:33
nuba	those punks!	01:33
nuba	lol	01:33
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+perlDreamer	easy there, nuba	02:01
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Lisette	hello perlDreamer	02:04
+perlDreamer	congratulations on your team winning the t-shirt contest, lisette	02:04
Lisette	thanks	02:04
Lisette	i have a question around apache	02:04
+perlDreamer	okay	02:05
Lisette	i can use the apace 1.3.x?	02:05
Lisette	apache	02:05
+perlDreamer	I don't think so. Apache 2.x	02:05
+perlDreamer	mainly because of mod_perl 2.x	02:05
+perlDreamer	you could try it, but no promises on how it works	02:05
Lisette	thanks	02:05
+perlDreamer	Porque quiere usar un Apache tan viejo?	02:12
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CIA-5	WebGUI: jt * r6300 /WebGUI/ (15 files in 10 dirs): The concept of "realtime" workflow has been eliminated. Instead all workflows are now realtime (synchronous), and roll over to be asynchronous if they cannot complete succesfully and immediately.	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6301 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: Product variant creation is held off until we can finalize	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: the variant code.	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: Began building JSON based variant code, and a test for	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: verifying how it works. set, get and delete collateral	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: are implemented. Still need to build moveUp and moveDown.	08:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: Lots of tests to be written.	08:55
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+perlDreamer	rizen: You late night hackin' monster!	18:37
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+perlDreamer	rizen: you were right (again). Properly encapsulated, this JSON stuff isn't so bad.	22:33
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6302 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/ProductCollateral.t: more product collateral tests	23:55
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6303 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): deleteCollateral tests, and detab Sku/Product.pm	23:55
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+perlDreamer	rizen: would it be bad to make moveUp and moveDown collateral to wrap around (in the new Product collateral)?	00:33
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+perlDreamer	apeiron, preaction_: what's the SQL subquery for getting the latest revision of all assets in a table?	01:21
+perlDreamer	SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate;	01:22
+perlDreamer	that's close, but not quote enough	01:22
+perlDreamer	this is closer: SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(revisionDate) FROM Product);	01:22
@apeiron	hm	01:23
+perlDreamer	I need a max revisionDate for each assetId	01:24
+perlDreamer	because that gives me the biggest in the whole table	01:24
@apeiron	How does the latter differ from that?	01:24
+perlDreamer	let's say I have three assets, a1, a2, a3	01:24
+perlDreamer	each was committed one minute apart	01:25
+perlDreamer	my last query will only give me 1 asset, from a3	01:25
+perlDreamer	rather than the latest versions of a1 and a2	01:25
@apeiron	Ah.	01:25
+perlDreamer	the good news is that JSON based collateral is working	01:27
+perlDreamer	I just can't upgrade from Wobject based products to Sku based products because of the query	01:27
+perlDreamer	I'll grind on it while I'm taking the tiller to the shop.	01:27
+perlDreamer	thanks for listening, apeiron!	01:28
@apeiron	I may have a solution, trying it out.	01:28
@apeiron	Have you thought of putting a WHERE clause in the subquery?	01:28
@apeiron	(for the assetId)	01:28
+perlDreamer	hm	02:33
+perlDreamer	no, I hadn't	02:34
+perlDreamer	the problem is that I don't know at that point which assetId I want, since the query returns them	02:36
+perlDreamer	maybe I need to dig into AssetLineage and see what's going on there	02:37
+perlDreamer	or the Template form variable	02:37
+perlDreamer	got it	02:42
+perlDreamer	SELECT p.assetId, p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku FROM Product AS p JOIN assetData AS a on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate JOIN sku AS s on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(Product.revisionDate) FROM Product where Product.assetId=a.assetId);	02:42
+perlDreamer	preaction_ is going to get mad if I keep doing that	02:43
+perlDreamer	apeiron: you were exactly right	02:45
+perlDreamer	I'm just too SQL-newbified to understand	02:45
+perlDreamer	thanks for the tip, dude!	02:45
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@apeiron	perlDreamer, About the SQL stuff yesterday, was really just a guess on my part. :)	18:49
+perlDreamer	a good one :)	18:51
+perlDreamer	with perl, instinct is a valuable commodity	18:55
* apeiron nods, emphatically.		18:57
+perlDreamer	okay, this is embarrasing	19:04
+perlDreamer	I need some perl help	19:04
+perlDreamer	I have an array ref	19:04
+perlDreamer	I want to make a safe copy of it	19:04
+perlDreamer	so I start with $ref	19:04
+perlDreamer	my @copy = @{ $ref }	19:04
+perlDreamer	I modify @copy	19:04
+perlDreamer	and right now I'm seeing changes in $ref	19:04
@apeiron	hrm	19:05
@apeiron	I've seen a module to do this, I think.	19:05
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@apeiron	perlDreamer, Storable has a dclone() that you can use.	19:06
@rizen	if that's showing changes in the ref then i think that webgui is broken all over the place	19:06
+perlDreamer	I'm going to boil it down and figure it out	19:06
@rizen	cuz that's always how i make copies of array refs	19:06
@apeiron	perlDreamer, Does your usage vary much from http://webgui.pastebin.com/d20f4191e ?	19:08
@apeiron	That DWYM.	19:08
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d0b74a	19:09
+perlDreamer	oh crap	19:10
+perlDreamer	now I get it	19:10
+perlDreamer	I'm still dealing with references	19:10
@rizen	indeed	19:11
+perlDreamer	perldoc Storable	19:11
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+perlDreamer	this works better	19:16
+perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m289c0ffb	19:16
+perlDreamer	I had to iterate over the array anyway	19:16
sanyock3	Hi All	19:16
+perlDreamer	Hi, sanyock3	19:16
+perlDreamer	Do you have some webgui questions?	19:16
sanyock3	Sure ;)	19:17
+perlDreamer	rizen: Have you looked at the new JSON collateral methods? If I'm way off base, it would be good to know before I get too far along.	19:20
@rizen	no but i will	19:20
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6306 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs):	19:24
CIA-5	WebGUI: Convert accessories over to the new Product collateral methods.	19:24
CIA-5	WebGUI: Add a method to get the JSON collateral indexed, for easy access to indeces.	19:24
CIA-5	WebGUI: Add tests for the new getIndexedCollateralData method.	19:24
CIA-5	WebGUI: In the upgrade script, put variants in all versions of the Product. Begin	19:24
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CIA-5	WebGUI: work on converting the collateral tables over to JSON.	19:24
@rizen	looks like you're on the right track	19:25
+perlDreamer	(phew) good. Thanks for the review.	19:25
@rizen	though when i genericize it for use in other assets there are a few things i'd change	19:26
+perlDreamer	okay, what does it need?	19:26
@rizen	first, while for your purposes of conversion the word "table" makes sense, but to people that never saw table based collateral, it makes no sense	19:26
+perlDreamer	would $collateral be a better variable to use? Or something else?	19:27
@rizen	and it adds to confusion because databases have tables, but json doesn	19:27
@rizen	second, i wouldn't make it part of the asset, but rather a separate object that the asset can use similar to VersionTag or Keywords	19:28
+perlDreamer	I was thinking in the long term this would become a mixin	19:28
@rizen	so you'd do: my $collateral = WebGUI::JsonCollateral->new($self, $fieldName);	19:29
@rizen	maybe it will, i'm still not convinced about mixins yet though	19:29
+perlDreamer	Hey, if you want it top-level, top-level it is	19:29
@rizen	i'm still leaning toward separate objects	19:29
@rizen	for the purposes of this though	19:30
@rizen	don't worry about those things	19:30
@rizen	just get it done	19:30
@rizen	given the time constraints you don't have time to make this perfect	19:30
+perlDreamer	true	19:30
@rizen	besides, i've changed the spec of products on you enough during this	19:31
@rizen	=)	19:31
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+perlDreamer	only once. I just keep flip-flopping implementations	19:31
@rizen	once is enough	19:31
@rizen	=)	19:31
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itnomad	I'm getting ready to install webgui on a CentOS server. I am confused by the instructions for DNS setup. Not much experience there. I am using one site on a computer that I access only by numbered address. Eventually I will get a domain name for this, but for now can I skip the DNS setup or do I have to make up a name for the WRE to use locally?	20:08
itnomad	Where it says "add your first site"; sitename='can I use a numbered address here?'	20:13
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+perlDreamer	itnomad, I'm not a WRE user, but I don't see why not	20:15
itnomad	By now my nubiness must be clear to all. I have an intranet with a couple computers and am using a router and port forwarding.	20:16
itnomad	I guess I just need to jump in and give it a shot.	20:16
+perlDreamer	itnomad, we've all started there. Don't feel bad because you're new.	20:16
itnomad	I should go ahead and learn about the /etc/hosts file anyway. It's just that there is so much to do and so little time. Thanks for the encouragement perlDreamer.	20:17
+perlDreamer	itnomad, if you're truly in a time crunch to set this up, have you considered having someone setup and host your site for you?	20:18
@rizen	itnomad use the domain name that you think you'll be using when you luanch	20:19
@rizen	launch	20:19
@rizen	www.itnomad.com	20:19
@rizen	for example	20:19
@apeiron	Then you can put that in /etc/hosts, right?	20:19
@rizen	yes, and then add an entry to /etc/hosts	20:20
@rizen	of:	20:20
@rizen	10.0.0.1 www.itnomad.com	20:20
@rizen	replace 10.0.0.1 with your numbered ip	20:20
@rizen	then you can still access the site using 10.0.0.1 (or whatever your ip is)	20:21
@rizen	but the WRE is expecting a domain...not an ip address	20:21
itnomad	okay...got it. That helps a lot!	20:21
itnomad	Thank you ... onward with the installation.	20:22
+perlDreamer	rizen: accessory collateral converted over to JSON collateral. The upgrade process has been tested, but I still need to test the UI.	20:28
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6307 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	20:34
CIA-5	WebGUI: Convert accessory collateral to JSON based accessory collateral.	20:34
CIA-5	WebGUI: Add a product with accessory collateral to loadProducts.pl to test the upgrade.	20:34
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itnomad	installation was painless once I got past that one hump. I went ahead and bought the domain I will be using and put in /etc/hosts with my local ip. Everything is working. Thanks again for the help. Now for some exercise.	22:27
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+perlmonkey2	I would like to mark today as a day of celebration. Microsoft has, at least for now, given up its bid to buy Yahoo.	22:42
+perlDreamer	Motion seconded	22:49
+perlDreamer	any comments from the floor?	22:49
+perlDreamer	barring comments from floor, or an override from the commissioner, motion is passed.	22:53
+perlmonkey2	hah, perlDreamer++	23:14
@rizen	i object	23:20
+perlDreamer	the committee recognizes the commissioner	23:27
+perlDreamer	Would you please detail the objection for the record?	23:27
@rizen	i would like to designate today as a day of sour grapes	23:27
@rizen	i mean, did you read that pity party of a letter that balmer released to the public	23:28
@rizen	he's so pissed off that someone would thwart his advances, that he's attempting to devalue Yahoo!'s stock price by saying they don't know how to run their own business	23:29
@rizen	in addition, he talks as if he knows so much about the search business...but if he did, would his company really be a distant 3rd place contender...and note that he's talking to the 2nd place contender here	23:30
@rizen	therefore i designate today as a day of sour grapes	23:31
+perlDreamer	the committee would like suggest that we combine the celebration and sour grapes to be a day of "Neener neener boo boo".	23:31
@rizen	i really want to post what i just said to the black blog, but me thinks that it probably wouldn't be appropriate	23:32
+perlDreamer	just pull the concept out of it, and write about that	23:33
+perlDreamer	poor sportsmanship, mud-slinging don't work well with open source	23:33
@rizen	what fun would that be	23:34
@rizen	oh, and steve balmer can't do math	23:35
@rizen	in his letter he claimed that they offered an additional $1 per share (raising it to $33 from $32 per share) which was also rejected	23:36
@rizen	and he said that extra $1/share was going to cost $5 billion	23:36
@rizen	later in the letter he said that yahoo would not settle for anything less than $37 per share	23:36
@rizen	which would cost an additional $5 billion or more	23:36
@rizen	how is it that $1/share and $4/share both equal $5 billion	23:37
+perlDreamer	unless the number of shares offered are different, they aren't	23:37
@rizen	exactly	23:38
+perlmonkey2	heh	23:38
+perlmonkey2	It is always fun to see a company, lacking in even the remotest spec of integrity, fall on its face.	23:39
@rizen	but in far more important news:	23:41
@rizen	http://gizmodo.com/386877/holy-crap-macgyver-blockbuster-film-coming	23:41
+perlDreamer	yeah!	23:42
+perlDreamer	oy	23:42
+perlDreamer	I already miss the new commerce system	23:42
@rizen	you already miss it?	23:44
@rizen	oh...you're working on the old one for that contract	23:45
@rizen	=)	23:45
@rizen	what's funny is that i'm writing the same thing you are	23:45
@rizen	only for the new one	23:45
@rizen	$0 transactions	23:45
@rizen	right at this very moment	23:45
+perlDreamer	have to take a small break	23:45
+perlDreamer	I have a very important snake tungue surgery to perform	23:46
+perlDreamer	Yesterday, I was an electrician	23:52
+perlDreamer	This morning, a programmer	23:52
+perlDreamer	this afternoon, a veterinarian	23:52
+perlDreamer	what a day	23:52
+perlDreamer	plus, I caught a cold	23:53
+perlmonkey2	rizen: Should I address the cover letter to Frank?	23:57
@rizen	if you like	23:57
@rizen	he is going to be the one who interviews you	23:57
+perlmonkey2	groovy	23:57
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6308 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProductManager.pm: price and weight checks were mangled in the ProductManager	00:09
+perlDreamer	are all WebGUI releases tagged in SVN?	01:24
@rizen	all releases in the past 6 months or so	01:25
@rizen	we didn't do it before that	01:25
@rizen	maybe not even that long ago...i don't remember exactly when we started it	01:25
+perlDreamer	7.4.16 is before the JSON fixes, so I'm guessing that it's too old	01:25
+perlDreamer	it's okay, I'll diff against an original source tree	01:26
@rizen	no i think 7.4.16 should be in the tags	01:26
+perlDreamer	I'll check	01:26
@rizen	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/releases/WebGUI_7.4.16-stable/	01:26
@rizen	looks like we've been doing it since the 7.3 days	01:27
+perlDreamer	yup	01:27
@rizen	ok calling it quits for the day...ttyl	01:40
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* perlDreamer continues with his journey		01:43
+perlDreamer	leaping from module to module	01:43
+perlDreamer	writing wrongs from the past	01:43
+perlDreamer	and hoping that each one will show him the way home	01:45
+perlDreamer	or at least to a cushy well paying job with Perl	02:16
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6309 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm: fix for POD whitespace	02:22
CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6310 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: final accessory changes. UI tests pass as well	02:46
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+perlDreamer	this new collateral system is so simple, I wonder if the whole thing could be automated, ala the definition sub.	02:52
+perlDreamer	so when it found a collateral property, it would autogenerate all the move, and delete subs	02:53
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enriquan	hi all :)	05:24
enriquan	...	05:29
enriquan	nobody's here huh?	05:29
enriquan	I cant install webgui... cause my server's running apache	05:30
enriquan	and its my web host... so I dont think I can disable it	05:30
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CIA-5	WebGUI: colin * r6311 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert related over to JSON collateral	07:01
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citronized	hello :)	09:27
citronized	i'm trying to install Webgui on a mac... OS 10.5	09:28
citronized	i'm wondering if there's a special directory in a specific location to create for unpacking ?	09:29
+Radix-wrk	citronized: I'm not familiar with installing it on a mac, but is there anything in the wiki about a mac install?	09:30
+Radix-wrk	I'm sure it'd be documented somewhere	09:30
citronized	perhaps yup, i'm gonna have a look there :)	09:31
+Radix-wrk	my guess though is that it's the same as for every other platform - you need a /data directory and everything goes under that - that's just a guess tho	09:31
citronized	yes, but as I have several sessions, I dunno if I have to create the data dir at the root or in one admin session...	09:31
@rizenisaway	the instructions are the same for all platforms, and the wre comes with them in docs/install.txt	09:32
@rizenisaway	just follow it and you'll be fine	09:32
citronized	ok, I'll do that :) thank you two ;)	09:33
+Radix-wrk	you're welcome	09:33
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citronized	hello again, when i list the services, i have a warning displayed on page : Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.	10:19
citronized	so i cannot start Apache Modproxy services :(	10:19
citronized	i've tried using a "root" session, but i have the same warning displayed :-/	10:20
+Radix-wrk	you will need to be root to start webgui, yes, or any apache service.	10:21
citronized	isn't there a way to start the service in command line, using the root login ?	10:22
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citronized	ok, found it	10:33
citronized	the command is : "data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start all"	10:34
citronized	with "su" before :)	10:34
BartJol	do you know whether su retains the environment settings?	10:35
citronized	nope, no idea	10:36
BartJol	quite important	10:36
BartJol	I think when I sudo'd it didn't go well	10:36
BartJol	and you need root rights for -all	10:37
+Radix-wrk	err.. not su	10:37
+Radix-wrk	sudo	10:37
+Radix-wrk	or use su to get into root first, then run it I guess	10:37
BartJol	well that works for me...	10:38
BartJol	off course	10:38
+Radix-wrk	either should work really	10:38
BartJol	ah	10:38
+Radix-wrk	but you may have to configure sudo first to ensure you have privileges to do it	10:38
BartJol	well I broke something so I can't test it right now	10:38
BartJol	ah	10:38
+Radix-wrk	su is easier imho	10:39
+Radix-wrk	but sudo is technically safer :)	10:39
+Radix-wrk	both give you root privs tho :)	10:39
BartJol	ok	10:39
citronized	well, i'm just trying to instal webgui to test it localy	10:39
+Radix-wrk	fair enough	10:40
+Radix-wrk	webgui is great, but the installation is always the hardest part :)	10:40
citronized	i can see that, yup !! :)	10:40
BartJol	with the wre it's quite doable	10:40
+Radix-wrk	you know about the demo.plainblack.com site right?	10:40
citronized	yep, but it only last for 1 day, don't it ?	10:41
BartJol	it does	10:41
BartJol	or limited time anyway\	10:41
+Radix-wrk	with the wre it should be doable in about half an hour.. but that assumes you have no mysql, no apache, perl, anything on that system already that might conflict or cause issues	10:41
BartJol	I had a clean server, that might make a difference	10:42
+Radix-wrk	yeah, I've found it makes the world of difference	10:42
citronized	took me less then one hour	10:43
+Radix-wrk	for your first time that's excellent :)	10:43
BartJol	so before installing make sure it's clean with a sudo rm -rf / command	10:43
BartJol	:)	10:43
+Radix-wrk	hhaha	10:43
BartJol	sorry, to often made, this joke is	10:43
citronized	:p	10:44
BartJol	I'm just not that original :)	10:44
+Radix-wrk	See your nerd education is still rather lacking that's why Bart.. you're getting there tho :)	10:44
citronized	how do i quit the "root" mode in terminal ?	10:45
+Radix-wrk	exit	10:45
citronized	ty	10:45
BartJol	ctrl-D	10:45
+Radix-wrk	you can use the 'id' command to see what privileges you're running as at any time too	10:46
+Radix-wrk	it should say something like 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root)' if you're running as root	10:46
+Radix-wrk	and something like 'uid=501(jesse) gid=503(formsys)' if you're as a normal user	10:47
BartJol	but I'm not called jesse?	10:47
citronized	:)	10:47
+Radix-wrk	yes, be grateful for that one :)	10:47
citronized	gives me that : uid=501(citronized) gid=501(citronized) groups=501(citronized),98(_lpadmin),80(admin)	10:48
+Radix-wrk	yup, so you're in a normal user session right now then	10:48
citronized	;)	10:48
+Radix-wrk	id is handy if you're like me and logged into half a dozen different machines at any one time and can never remember who you logged in as	10:49
citronized	i guess :)	10:50
BartJol	ah, I'm only logged in to maximun three machines simultaneously	10:50
BartJol	but, I'm not yet as nerdy...	10:50
+Radix-wrk	heh	10:52
+Radix-wrk	Well I'm off home - going to see Iron Man tonight and looking forward to it!	10:53
BartJol	ah, have fun	10:53
citronized	:)	10:53
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citronized	is there a way to custom used fonts for all pages ?	11:02
BartJol	? probably there is, but I'm not sure what you mean?	11:03
BartJol	in the css you can do that	11:04
BartJol	but you can have a css in the head of the template or a separate css file	11:04
citronized	the content part use a serif font, i'd like to use a sans-serif font, i don't know how to manage this :)	11:04
citronized	ok	11:05
citronized	where is located this css ?	11:05
BartJol	so you just have to look at your template whether it has css directly in it or via a css file	11:05
BartJol	you can see it in your template	11:05
BartJol	probably somewhere in the import node or media folder	11:05
citronized	right, in the import dir ;) ty	11:07
BartJol	if the template uses a css file, it should be defined in the head section of your template	11:07
BartJol	if you have bugzilla (if you use firefox) most of the time you also see what file is used	11:08
BartJol	the name anyway	11:08
citronized	i have the webdeveloper tools bar	11:10
citronized	;)	11:10
BartJol	ok	11:11
citronized	BartJol: do you know how can I add MySQL tables or DB ? Do I have to use the WRE console or there's a phpMyadmin like console ?	11:22
BartJol	ah	11:23
BartJol	well	11:23
BartJol	I would just go into the mysql db	11:24
BartJol	but with an sql form, maybe you are able to do it too	11:24
BartJol	but I didn't work with that yet	11:24
citronized	oh, ok...	11:25
BartJol	but not via the wreconsole and there isn't a separate console for it	11:25
citronized	ok, i have to figured out how to manage that	11:26
BartJol	do you want users to be able to do that? or you just want to add a table?	11:27
citronized	i just want to add a table in order to manage some records which will be displayed in the site	11:29
BartJol	for an extra db, you have to make one in mysql, then add a database link inyour webgui settings	11:29
citronized	i've seen that i have to do this link, but i dunno if there's a "phpMyadmin like" interface	11:31
BartJol	your mysql user and password are in your WebGUI conf file	11:31
BartJol	well, thingy might be able to do that	11:31
BartJol	but that's only in the beta version	11:32
BartJol	and these also are local assets, so not page iwde	11:32
citronized	expected for the end of May, i've heard	11:32
BartJol	yeah, well...	11:33
BartJol	:)	11:33
BartJol	deadlines are easily passed	11:33
citronized	i know, i know :)	11:33
BartJol	but it will be somewhere around there	11:33
BartJol	it will be before the wuc	11:33
citronized	what is the wuc ?	11:34
BartJol	the webgui user conference	11:34
BartJol	29th of august in madison, wisconsin	11:34
BartJol	I believe	11:34
BartJol	www.webgui.org/wuc	11:34
citronized	oh ok :)	11:35
BartJol	it's nice, and you can get to meet all the famous wbegui nerds	11:35
citronized	i won't be there :)	11:35
citronized	too far for me	11:35
BartJol	too bad,	11:35
BartJol	we are going with around 12 dutchmen	11:35
BartJol	and it's far for us too	11:36
citronized	i guess	11:36
citronized	maybe if i'm rich and have some holidays :)	11:36
BartJol	a, we all get our tickets because it's our work	11:37
BartJol	and all give presentations	11:37
BartJol	where are you from then?	11:38
citronized	from france :)	11:38
BartJol	Straasbourg?\	11:38
citronized	yup, Mr. Nerd :)	11:39
citronized	but it's Strasbourg ;)	11:39
BartJol	thnaks, I consider that a compliment	11:39
citronized	u can :)	11:39
BartJol	I know, my typing has to warm up	11:39
citronized	np	11:39
BartJol	well, nice to have more persons in the some timezone here	11:40
citronized	Straasbourg sounds too much german for me :)	11:40
BartJol	in dutch it's Straatsburg	11:40
citronized	close	11:40
citronized	about the tickets, it's not my job, even if i would like it :)	11:41
BartJol	maybe a career change? :)	11:42
citronized	i hope	11:42
citronized	i'm bored with filemaker devs :)	11:42
citronized	it's unusefull i think	11:42
BartJol	but do you also work on the french translation? that would be a must for webgui in france	11:43
BartJol	already 38 percent done	11:43
citronized	I will	11:44
BartJol	nice	11:44
citronized	i discuss of it here with another user, i can't remember his name :\|	11:45
citronized	perl-somethg	11:45
citronized	sorry for him	11:45
BartJol	perlmonkey2?	11:45
citronized	yup	11:45
BartJol	perlDreamer?	11:45
citronized	;)	11:45
citronized	both, as far as i can remember	11:45
BartJol	ah, those are both sleeping	11:46
citronized	i guess, last time i came, was the night here :)	11:46
BartJol	Is there something like a WebGUI community in France?	11:46
citronized	i don't know :)	11:46
citronized	i'm quite comfortable with english, so i didn't even look if one exists	11:47
BartJol	In the Netherlands we have, if we have a bigger meeting would you like to come here?	11:47
BartJol	that's not very far	11:48
citronized	why not	11:48
citronized	i was in Utrecht this w-e :)	11:48
BartJol	ah	11:48
BartJol	nice city	11:48
citronized	for a car meeting :)	11:48
citronized	well, not really cars, but Citro�n's :)	11:49
BartJol	mm, Utrecht just banned SUV's from the city centre	11:49
BartJol	well, the old Citroens are really nice	11:49
citronized	they really are, i think :)	11:49
citronized	i'm a citro�n scale model collector :)	11:50
BartJol	well that's not reaaly my type of hobby	11:50
citronized	and that a part of the point of my website project : buil a scalemodelslibrary :)	11:50
BartJol	but, if you collect model cars, they can better be nice	11:51
BartJol	ah	11:51
citronized	yeah, don't have enough $$ to buy real ones :)	11:51
BartJol	:)	11:51
citronized	but i have my grandfather '78 GS :)	11:52
citronized	for now, it's far enough for me ;)	11:52
citronized	i have a xantia too, but that's for everyday	11:54
citronized	well, i'm gonna stop pissing u off with my cars stories :)	11:54
BartJol	ah, well, I've gotta work too	11:55
citronized	;)	11:55
citronized	maybe i see u later around ;)	11:55
BartJol	probably	11:55
BartJol	:)	11:55
citronized	good work then :)	11:55
BartJol	thanks, later	11:55
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citronized	hi again :)	13:49
citronized	is "Thingy" already available in beta ?	13:50
BartJol	yeah	14:02
BartJol	but it not yet fully done	14:02
BartJol	s/it/it is/	14:03
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citronized	u mean some functions aren't available ?	15:02
BartJol	well I thought that the feature set isn't completed yet, but those that are should work	15:03
citronized	how ca i get this beta ?	15:04
BartJol	download it! :)	15:04
citronized	i haven't found any links, that's why i ask :)	15:05
BartJol	http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=45293&release_id=591330	15:05
BartJol	that is the location of the latest beta	15:05
BartJol	7.5.10	15:05
BartJol	but read the gotcha file after unpacking	15:06
citronized	oh, ok, it's included in the webgui package :)	15:07
BartJol	yeah, probably in /data/WebGUI/docs	15:07
citronized	i though it was a PI or something like that :)	15:07
BartJol	no the api can be found via the wiki	15:08
BartJol	also very usefull	15:08
BartJol	if you start to write your own code	15:08
BartJol	but the gotcha contains some info on important changes that are sometimes not completely compatible	15:13
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citronized	do you think it's possible to install this beta side to side with the stable version ?	15:19
citronized	or do i have to trash my stable version ?	15:20
BartJol	I think it is possible, but....	15:20
BartJol	you need to setup another directory tree	15:20
BartJol	and maybe there are some defaults	15:21
BartJol	that think that the directory is /data/WebGUI	15:21
BartJol	so that might take some time to configure	15:21
BartJol	and it should have another ip address	15:22
BartJol	such stuff	15:22
citronized	erf..ok I see :)	15:22
BartJol	you don't make live easier for yourself	15:23
BartJol	:)	15:23
citronized	i'll wait for the stable version then :)	15:23
BartJol	but for older versions without the wre we have that	15:23
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BartJol	probably when 7.5 gets stable, there also will be an upgrade path from 7.4	15:24
citronized	which version is included in the WRE 0.8.3 package ?	15:25
BartJol	so then there shouldn't be to many problems	15:26
BartJol	none	15:26
BartJol	but when you install WebGUI, it will take the latest stable (in this case 7.4.35) version	15:26
citronized	ok, i've seen that it has dowloaded this stuff during install :)	15:27
citronized	are upgrades easy once you've installed webgui ?	15:27
BartJol	normally yes	15:28
citronized	easy as is the installation or as two clicks on buttons ? :D	15:28
BartJol	if you have many custom extra's (like in the code) that can cause trouble	15:28
BartJol	eeh	15:29
BartJol	well you should run the /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl script	15:29
citronized	seems fine to me :)	15:30
BartJol	but there are also some upgrade instructions on the site	15:30
BartJol	I would advise to read those :)	15:30
citronized	;)	15:30
BartJol	I didn't do that very often with success	15:31
BartJol	and I broke my test installation	15:31
BartJol	so	15:31
BartJol	still some stuff with the new JSON version	15:32
citronized	i'm gonna try my SQL Form asset to work, this way, i won't bother u anymore with upgrades and stuff :)	15:32
BartJol	well, glad to be some help	15:33
citronized	ty for ur help anyway	15:33
citronized	it's always great to be more then one in front of an issue ;)	15:34
BartJol	have fun	15:34
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BartJol	morning	15:41
citronized	morning :)	15:41
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+perlmonkey2	anyone seen the use.perl article on how fresh cpan is? http://use.perl.org/~LaPerla/journal/36320	16:18
+perlmonkey2	that is pretty cool.	16:18
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:24
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@rizenisaway	MrHairgrease: in iTransact processing do you ever set a "total" amount?	17:12
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@rizen	i'm trying to figure out where to place in-shop credit into this module.	17:13
+MrHairgrease	hang on	17:13
+MrHairgrease	let me check that	17:13
@rizen	for example, let's say i have a transaction for $20 and i have a $10 credit in the shop. i should be able to make the credit card fee only $10 then instead of the full $20	17:14
+MrHairgrease	I I recall correctly you pass the per item price/qty to itransact	17:16
+MrHairgrease	I'll have to check it in their docs	17:16
+MrHairgrease	gimme a minute	17:16
@rizen	if that's true, how do you pass in things like tax, shipping, etc	17:17
@rizen	do you just add extra line items?	17:17
+MrHairgrease	If you want those seperate, they'll have to be passed as separate items	17:22
+MrHairgrease	afaik, itransact does not have a seperate tax field	17:23
@rizen	so is the itransact module not accounting for shipping and tax costs right now?	17:23
@rizen	if not, i'll add it while i'm in here adding the other stuff	17:23
+MrHairgrease	let me check	17:23
@rizen	it doesn't look like it to me	17:23
@rizen	that's why i'm asking	17:23
+MrHairgrease	i know	17:24
@rizen	if you don't know, then it probably isn't	17:24
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:24
+MrHairgrease	It doesn't as far as i can see	17:24
+MrHairgrease	I thought the getPrice thing calculated the price including tax	17:25
+MrHairgrease	but that isn't	17:25
+MrHairgrease	hnce the confusion	17:25
@rizen	ok thanks	17:26
+MrHairgrease	ok, now i'm sure	17:27
+MrHairgrease	it doesn't do it	17:27
@rizen	alright, i'll add those in too then	17:27
+MrHairgrease	i can add it too	17:27
@rizen	i'm working on it right now anyway	17:28
@rizen	for that credit stuff	17:28
+MrHairgrease	ok, just add them as seperate items	17:28
+MrHairgrease	question about the subscriptions	17:28
+MrHairgrease	it used to be possible to have one subscription code referring to two subscriptions	17:29
+MrHairgrease	but we agreed that that will not be the case anymore in the new system	17:29
+MrHairgrease	ie. a one-to-one relationship between code<->susbscription	17:29
+MrHairgrease	what do you want to happen if there are codes that have multiple subscriptions attached?	17:30
@rizen	existing codes?	17:30
+MrHairgrease	yeah	17:31
@rizen	my guess is that there aren't any because you said the user interface doesn't allow for it, only the api did	17:31
+MrHairgrease	aparently I was wrong on that	17:31
+MrHairgrease	b/c when i tried to make a batch of codes for testing the migration script	17:31
+MrHairgrease	it was possible	17:31
@rizen	but if you find any then display a warning in the upgrade output AND log, and then convert them to a new code	17:31
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@rizen	so if there are two subscriptions in the code	17:32
@rizen	then the first one can use the code	17:32
@rizen	and the second one gets a new code	17:32
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@rizen	and you let people know that in both the upgrade output (print) and in the log	17:32
+MrHairgrease	how I have done it so far is letting assign one of the subscriptions to the code, thus discarding the other subscriptions for that code	17:36
+MrHairgrease	creating a new code has about the same effect, since you only really wanna retain codes if you've handed them out already	17:36
+MrHairgrease	but in that case, the person that received it doesn't know anymore where to redeem it.	17:37
+MrHairgrease	since the code redemption is moved into the sku	17:38
+MrHairgrease	and removed from the displayAccount screen	17:38
+MrHairgrease	so how does creating new codes help?	17:38
+MrHairgrease	it only complicates matters	17:38
@rizen	no it helps	17:39
@rizen	it helps because the store owner doesn't have to manually create the codes	17:39
@rizen	he's going to have to send out the codes again sure	17:40
@rizen	but he doesn't have to manually create it	17:40
@rizen	so give him the codes and the urls	17:40
@rizen	then he can send out the emails	17:40
@rizen	to distribute the new codes to people	17:40
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:41
+MrHairgrease	another funny thing i came across: now that subscriptions are assets people without admin privs can add them.	17:42
+MrHairgrease	So what happens if some evil content manager adds a subscriuption to the admin group and redeems a code for himself?	17:42
@rizen	set the canAdd value of it to '3'	17:43
@rizen	that will stop that problem	17:43
@rizen	and if someone wants to override it, they can do so in their config	17:43
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:44
@rizen	good thinking though	17:44
@rizen	i didn't even consider that	17:44
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+MrHairgrease	ok, one final question: subscription codes are in batches which belong to subscritions	17:50
+MrHairgrease	so now each code has a batchId	17:50
+MrHairgrease	and each batchId has a subscriptionId	17:50
+MrHairgrease	would it be a bad thing to add a subscriptionId to each code too?	17:51
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+MrHairgrease	it is a form of data duplication so I left it out	17:51
@rizen	i'll leave it to your judgement	18:14
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more collateral conversion. Collateral data does not need to be removed from extra tables in purge method	18:21
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: collateral data does not need to be manually duplicated	18:21
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+perlDreamer	json collateral in the asset table has lots of advantages	18:35
+perlDreamer	no need for manual duplication or purging	18:35
+perlDreamer	versioning	18:36
+perlDreamer	prototyping	18:36
@rizen	i know	18:37
@rizen	hence my blog entry	18:37
@rizen	=)	18:37
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webmaster	where does the Sybase.pm file need to be and installed	18:40
+perlDreamer	webmaster, do you mean DBD::Sybase?	18:40
webmaster	yes	18:41
+perlDreamer	Are you using the WRE?	18:41
webmaster	yes	18:41
+perlDreamer	get a root session	18:41
+perlDreamer	source the setEnvironment script	18:41
+perlDreamer	perl -MCPAN -e 'install DBD::Sybase'	18:41
+perlDreamer	restart apache	18:41
+perlDreamer	configure a database link to your sybase db	18:42
+perlDreamer	then use it	18:42
+perlDreamer	note that you can't use it for the default webgui database	18:42
+perlDreamer	only for external db queries	18:42
webmaster	i did that and i even can run a perl script to spit out my server name which is a SQL server. I create a database link in WebGUI and this is what i get	18:43
webmaster	2008/05/02 03:06:25 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate DBD/Sybase.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/p	18:43
webmaster	Perhaps the DBD::Sybase perl module hasn't been fully installed,	18:43
webmaster	or perhaps the capitalisation of 'Sybase' isn't right.	18:43
webmaster	Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Gofer, Proxy, Sponge, mysql.	18:43
webmaster	so we moved the pm file so webgui could see it	18:43
webmaster	got this	18:43
webmaster	2008/05/02 10:35:07 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: Undefined subroutine &DBD::Sybase::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm line 94.	18:43
webmaster	gave it execute permissions and got his	18:43
webmaster	2008/05/02 10:38:05 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::Sybase in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/	18:44
webmaster	Compilation failed in require at (eval 1695) line 3.	18:44
webmaster	Perhaps a module that DBD::Sybase requires hasn't been fully installed	18:44
webmaster	at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 322	18:44
@rizen	are you sure you installed it into the right perl	18:44
@rizen	my guess is that you installed it into your local perl rather than the wre	18:44
+perlDreamer	yeah	18:44
+perlDreamer	try a locate Sybase.pm	18:45
webmaster	locate Sybase.pm	18:45
webmaster	locate Sybase.pm	18:46
webmaster	"/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Sybase.pm"	18:47
webmaster	"/data/WebGUI/lib/DBIx/DBDescribe/DBD/Sybase.pm	18:47
webmaster	"/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/Bundle/DBD/Sybase.pm"	18:47
webmaster	"/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm"	18:47
webmaster	we manually put it into the 2 wre folders	18:48
+perlDreamer	if you manually put it there, you probably didn't install everything that it needed	18:48
+perlDreamer	use CPAN to install the whole thing into the WRE's perl	18:48
+perlDreamer	just like the instructions that I gave you earlier	18:48
webmaster	is there a certain folder i need to be in when i run the command	18:48
+perlDreamer	no	18:49
+perlDreamer	just be sure that you're using the WRE's perl	18:49
+perlDreamer	which perl	18:49
webmaster	the "into the WRE's perl" is the part I am not clear on.	18:49
webmaster	how do i know i am using WRE perl	18:49
+perlDreamer	type perl	18:49
+perlDreamer	"type perl"	18:49
+perlDreamer	or, "which perl"	18:49
+perlDreamer	if it doesn't say /data/WRE.....perl, you're not using the right one	18:50
webmaster	"/user/bin/perl"	18:50
webmaster	so how do i stop it and use wre	18:50
+perlDreamer	". /data/WRE/sbin/setEnvironment"	18:50
+perlDreamer	the setEnvironment script will alter your path environment variable so that WRE binaries are found first, rather than system binaries	18:52
+perlDreamer	webmaster, is that working for you?	18:55
webmaster	Running make test	18:57
webmaster	Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test	18:57
webmaster	Running make install	18:57
webmaster	Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install	18:57
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+perlDreamer	rizen: I know you want this C2 stuff done, but sending a virus to keep me home from work was a little over the top.	19:01
@rizen	damn it, i told xander to just send over a mild bacterial infection	19:03
@rizen	xander being my evil bio-warfare henchman of course	19:04
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6314 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: update the SQL query for related Products to consider revisionDate	19:08
webmaster	when i run the console and try to restart apache i get this Please contact me at:	19:14
webmaster	http://bellatrix.d214.org:60834/	19:14
webmaster	Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 149	19:14
webmaster	Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 112	19:14
webmaster	(13)Permission denied: httpd: could not open error log file /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log.	19:14
+perlDreamer	rizen: in the Product, for benefits, specifications and features, it gives you a combo box of items from other products.	19:14
+perlDreamer	this was pretty easily done with SQL	19:14
+perlDreamer	but with JSON, not so	19:14
+perlDreamer	should I grab the JSON with a SQL, and make the data, or instance the assets one by one to grab their JSON	19:15
+perlDreamer	the second is better, but should be slower due to instancing the assets	19:15
+perlDreamer	and for large sites (100,000 products) it won't be fun at all	19:15
+perlDreamer	actually, it might be bad for either method	19:16
+perlDreamer	now that we have prototypes, would it be okay to remove that feature from the product?	19:16
+perlDreamer	(drop down of data from other products)?	19:16
@rizen	what does json have to do with it	19:17
@rizen	we're linking to other products	19:17
@rizen	not to variants	19:17
@rizen	oh nevermind	19:17
@rizen	i see what you're saying	19:17
+perlDreamer	I was converting _all_ the product collateral to JSON	19:17
+perlDreamer	accessories, related products, specifications, benefits and features	19:17
@rizen	just go with a text box rather than a combo	19:17
+perlDreamer	okay	19:17
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: product collateral to JSON? I got the smack downt he other day for thinking about doing that.	19:32
@preaction_	probably because i was doing the smacking	19:33
+perlmonkey2	I thought it was rizen who said not to do that? Was it you preaction_?	19:33
@preaction_	it was most likely me, as i oppose it out of principle	19:34
@rizen	perlmonkey2: i may have, but it would depend upon what you were doing	19:34
+perlmonkey2	april 28th 11:30-ish.	19:35
+perlmonkey2	I was thinking about moving all the attributes of questions, sections, and answers into a single JSON blob.	19:36
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: this is also a result of rizen's WebGUI version 8 post	19:36
+perlmonkey2	rizen: you talked me out of it in case the fields needed to be queried on.	19:36
@rizen	no that's not what you were asking me at the time	19:36
webmaster	does it matter where my httpd.conf file is located	19:36
@rizen	you wanted to create an asset blob to store all your asset properties in	19:36
@rizen	you weren't talking about questions at that time, but rather switches for the asset itself	19:37
@rizen	or at least that's what i understood you to be asking about	19:37
+perlmonkey2	I can see where the confusion came from, but I meant options on questions and sections, not on the asset itself.	19:38
+perlmonkey2	but collaterial.	19:38
+perlmonkey2	collateral, even :P	19:38
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: I have some fairly robust code (and tested) if you end up going that way :)	19:39
webmaster	i get this message on the service tab of the console: WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.	19:39
+perlDreamer	webmaster, are you logged in as root on that machine?	19:40
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: I've used TEXT to store JSON for a long time, but is some trick you've learned tha tmight be worth shraing?	19:40
webmaster	he was when he did the install	19:40
+perlmonkey2	sharing even ?	19:40
+perlDreamer	it's just the collateral access methods	19:41
+perlmonkey2	oh	19:41
+perlDreamer	I encapsulated the JSON entirely	19:41
+perlDreamer	so that from the asset, all you deal with are perl data structures	19:41
+perlmonkey2	ahah, that sounds pretty handy.	19:41
+perlDreamer	check out Asset/Sku/Product.pm in the 7.5 branch	19:41
webmaster	what permissions does webgui need	19:42
webmaster	the services folder is owned by root	19:42
webmaster	wre-apache is owned by webgui	19:42
webmaster	so are the other files in the redhat folder	19:42
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: 7.5.10 doesn't have an Sku	19:44
+perlDreamer	in SVN it does :)	19:44
+perlDreamer	does that look better, perlmonkey2?	20:06
+perlmonkey2	I was looking at 7.5.10beta in svn and wasn't seen it.	20:06
+perlDreamer	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm	20:07
+perlDreamer	not the release version, the main branch	20:07
+perlmonkey2	ah, I got confused about it being a specific 7.5, but duh, why wouldn' it be in the main branch.	20:08
+perlDreamer	eh, I could have been more specific	20:08
+perlDreamer	the collateral methods are getCollateral, setCollateral, deleteCollateral and moveCollateral{Up,Down}	20:10
+perlDreamer	also, getAllCollateral and getIndexedCollateralData	20:10
+perlmonkey2	oh man, that all needs to be moved into a higher order object so everyone can share in the fun.	20:10
+perlmonkey2	good stuff.	20:10
+perlmonkey2	moveCollateralDown? What is that for?	20:11
+perlmonkey2	I mean I know what it does, but why would you need it.	20:11
+perlDreamer	collateral has a sequence	20:12
+perlDreamer	so you can reorder it	20:12
+perlDreamer	i.e. first question, next question, and so on	20:12
+perlDreamer	so moveUp and moveDown lets you change the order	20:12
+perlmonkey2	so your entire collateral table is a single JSON column?	20:12
+perlDreamer	yes	20:12
+perlDreamer	well, each asset stores its own collateral data	20:13
+perlDreamer	in a column	20:13
+perlDreamer	it makes cross asset queries impossible	20:13
@rizen	it certainly has that one downside	20:17
@rizen	but it also has the upside of better compatibility with duplicate, purge, versioning, prototypes, packages, and anything else we add in the future, like web services	20:18
+perlDreamer	(two more collateral methods to go, benefits and features)	20:19
+perlDreamer	after that, I'll be ready to try and convert the Commerce products over to Sku products	20:20
+perlDreamer	rizen, I also think that the asset level collateral methods (moveMeUp, moveMeDown, deleteMe, etc.) could all be autogenerated. I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.	20:24
@rizen	i'm certain that's true	20:24
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6315 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert specification collateral to JSON	20:24
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: so each row of a json collateral object is actually N rows of that callateral object?	20:35
+perlmonkey2	ie, and array?	20:36
+perlmonkey2	an	20:36
+perlDreamer	each asset has an json property, that holds JSON which is an array of hashrefs	20:36
+perlmonkey2	no worries about scaling?	20:37
+perlmonkey2	if the arrays get rather large?	20:37
+perlDreamer	how big is a MySQL mediumtext?	20:38
@preaction_	250,000 chars i think	20:38
+perlDreamer	let's say that any given JSON hashref is 500 chars	20:38
+perlDreamer	that would let the array have about 500 entries	20:39
@preaction_	perlbot math 2 ** 24	20:39
perlbot	16777216	20:39
+perlmonkey2	That's not what I mean. As a for instance, if I did this with the survey system, to grab a specific set of sections questions and answers, I would have to grab all of them for the survey, then search for just the ones I needed.	20:39
+perlmonkey2	every time a page was generated.	20:39
+perlDreamer	yes, versus asking MySQL to do the same task for you	20:39
+perlDreamer	I guess it's a race for who is quicker	20:39
+perlDreamer	perl with data, or MySQL with rows and queries	20:40
+perlmonkey2	I can't make a perfectly indexed table respond faster than 20ms with MySQL. I think that is the minimum overhead to a call on a fast instance.	20:40
+perlmonkey2	But I've worked with gigabyte hash's, referenced with URI's, and was not able to measure individual lookups as they all fell within the margin of error of 0.	20:41
+perlDreamer	gigabyte hashes, in memory?	20:41
+perlDreamer	wow	20:41
+perlmonkey2	So what I'm saying, is I think your idea has much merit and scalability :)	20:41
+perlDreamer	Honestly, I just did what rizen said to do ;)	20:41
+perlmonkey2	Then replace "your idea" with "rizen's idea" :P	20:42
+perlDreamer	oy, did I say it was my idea?	20:42
+perlDreamer	that's bad.	20:42
+perlDreamer	Sincere apologies, rizen.	20:42
+perlmonkey2	I just assumed that, I don't think you said it?	20:42
+perlDreamer	rizen: add easier search indexing to the list of benefits	20:46
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: What about when your asset row contains more data than your physical memory?	20:49
+perlDreamer	do you mean ram and swap?	20:49
+perlmonkey2	on a 512MB machine, there is ually only 150MB or so free after a wG + OS.	20:49
+perlmonkey2	yes	20:49
+perlmonkey2	(my example of the survey) could easily have 150MB rows.	20:49
+perlDreamer	hm	20:50
+perlmonkey2	I'm trying to think of a way to break rows into chunks, but nothing comes to mind that is better than just using the DB.	20:50
+perlDreamer	I think you'd hit the 250,000 character limit way before you hit 150 MB of memory	20:53
+perlDreamer	but it's still a good question	20:53
+perlDreamer	maybe answers needs to remain a table	20:54
+perlmonkey2	250K char limit?	20:54
+perlmonkey2	is that a JSON limit?	20:54
+perlDreamer	the size of the mediumtext field	20:54
@preaction_	no, it's not 250k, its 2^24	20:54
@preaction_	16 million	20:55
+perlmonkey2	16million bits is how many variable length chars :P	20:55
@preaction_	16 million bytes, sure	20:56
+perlmonkey2	oh, not bit but bytes	20:56
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PatMcGroin	Anybody home?	21:07
@preaction_	in a manner of speaking	21:08
PatMcGroin	Heh- looking for help with an install problem...	21:08
PatMcGroin	getting an errmsg:	21:09
PatMcGroin	-su: ./wreconsole.pl: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory	21:09
PatMcGroin	Yet:	21:09
PatMcGroin	-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl	21:09
PatMcGroin	perl interpreter exists and seems properly permissioned....	21:10
@preaction_	i would ask your distro, since that's your shell complaining	21:10
@preaction_	alternatively, run the perl file using the perl interpreter directly	21:10
PatMcGroin	Brand new install of Deb/Apache, no alias or other bleh.	21:11
PatMcGroin	Can point it at the "real" perl, I guess...	21:12
@preaction_	that would be a bad idea	21:12
@preaction_	if your definition of "real" is "distro-supplied"	21:12
PatMcGroin	Well, apt-get (plus modules)	21:13
+perlmonkey2	PatMcGroin: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -v	21:16
PatMcGroin	Hmmmm,	21:16
PatMcGroin	-su: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: No such file or directory	21:16
+perlmonkey2	therein lies a hint.	21:17
PatMcGroin	right, but:	21:18
PatMcGroin	ls -al /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl	21:18
PatMcGroin	-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar 3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl	21:18
@apeiron	Corrupt FS perhaps?	21:18
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6316 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert feature collateral to JSON	21:19
@apeiron	That's the only thing I can think of.	21:19
PatMcGroin	Very strange...	21:19
PatMcGroin	Brand new install....	21:19
@apeiron	I'd fsck it to be sure.	21:19
PatMcGroin	clean.	21:19
+perlDreamer	PatMcGroin: Can you cd to /data/wre/prereqs/bin ?	21:20
PatMcGroin	Yep.	21:21
+perlDreamer	./perl -v	21:21
PatMcGroin	opteval:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./perl -v	21:21
PatMcGroin	bash: ./perl: No such file or directory	21:22
PatMcGroin	Weird.	21:22
PatMcGroin	But ls -al shows all files....	21:22
+perlDreamer	head -1 perl	21:22
@apeiron	It really seems like a filesystem issue to me.	21:22
@apeiron	If you can, remount the FS.	21:22
+perlDreamer	apeiron: I sincerely hope it's the FS, or the hardware or the kernel	21:23
PatMcGroin	head reveals the standard source "space garbage"	21:23
PatMcGroin	Fresh install (slicehost) of Debian/Etch. All else seems OK, but I (personally) didn't install the image, so there's room for doubt.	21:24
PatMcGroin	Gonna re-mount, BRB	21:24
+perlmonkey2	PatMcGroin: selinux? permissions?	21:27
PatMcGroin	Perms are 755 in the whole tree	21:29
PatMcGroin	setenvironmantal runs fine	21:29
PatMcGroin	echo $PATH:	21:29
+perlDreamer	it's not a path problem	21:29
PatMcGroin	Agree- path seems normal...	21:30
+perlDreamer	it's not a permission problem	21:30
+perlDreamer	you said earlier they were 755	21:30
+perlDreamer	if you can't ./perl -v, then something system level is bad	21:30
PatMcGroin	Was wondering about selinux, will try running it in a different locn.	21:30
+perlmonkey2	PatMcGroin: setenforce 0	21:33
PatMcGroin	is there anything else I need to change (outside of setenvironmentals) to run from and alternate sub-directory?	21:35
PatMcGroin	Nope.	21:40
PatMcGroin	Gotta be something stupid and obvious that I'm just not seeing. No alias= (hell, no .bash anything)	21:41
@preaction_	i thought debian used dash by default now	21:41
@apeiron	dash?	21:41
@apeiron	Ah, derivative of ash.	21:42
PatMcGroin	Stranger still, I can autocomplete the whole path...	21:46
+perlDreamer	check the permissions for the whole path, starting with /data	21:46
+perlDreamer	and make sure it isn't mounted with any funny restrictions	21:46
PatMcGroin	755s all the way down	21:48
PatMcGroin	mount table looks ok too.	21:48
PatMcGroin	Possibly corrupt tarball?	21:49
+perlmonkey2	PatMcGroin: can you open the binary?	21:51
+perlmonkey2	to read?	21:51
+perlmonkey2	can you perform fs operations on it?	21:52
+perlDreamer	he was able to head the file	21:52
+perlmonkey2	oh	21:52
+perlmonkey2	is it the correct binary for his OS?	21:52
+perlDreamer	does anyone have a debian/etch WRE that could be used to generate a cksum?	21:52
+perlDreamer	ooh, good call perlmonkey2	21:52
PatMcGroin	Hmmmmm....	21:55
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+perlDreamer	wait a second, here	21:55
+perlDreamer	bopbop, kristi: which one of you is really Mrs. McCombs?	21:55
kristi	bopbop is Mrs. McCombs	21:56
+perlDreamer	then who are you?	21:56
kristi	?- well, I'm Mrs. McCombs too- got kicked out of chat room and signed back in as kristi	21:56
PatMcGroin	So..... If I need webGUI for a 64-bit OS.....?	21:57
+perlDreamer	maybe we'd better just verify that...	21:57
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+perlDreamer	What movie did you kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?	21:57
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+perlDreamer	What movie did your kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?	21:57
PatMcGroin	x86_64 GNU/Linux	21:57
kristi	me?	21:57
+perlDreamer	you, kristi	21:57
+perlDreamer	alledgedly	21:57
kristi	I think it was Camelot	21:57
+perlDreamer	ha!	21:58
+perlDreamer	It was "Shek Too"	21:58
kristi	oh yeah- Camelot was too scary	21:58
kristi	SHEK TOO!!!!	21:59
dionak	does anyone use Apache::Reload in WebGUI?	22:00
dionak	sounds like it might make dev easier	22:00
+perlDreamer	dionak: I think that when the WRE is set up for devs that it is turned on for you.	22:01
+perlDreamer	okay, kristi, I'm convinced that it's you.	22:01
kristi	whew	22:01
+perlDreamer	There was some guy trying to impersonate rizen the other day	22:01
dionak	how do i switch it to dev?	22:01
+perlDreamer	but he gave himself away when he complained about his long curly hair.	22:02
kristi	nice- that's like me complaining about being too tall	22:02
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers	22:02
kristi	head is constantly hitting the ceiling...	22:03
+perlDreamer	dionak: I don't know if you can switch an existing instance.	22:03
PatMcGroin	So no 64-bit install for WebGUI?	22:04
+perlDreamer	kristi: and anyone with poor grammar and spelling would be a dead giveaway	22:04
dionak	ok, thanks for the info. maybe i can just read up in the build.sh	22:04
kristi	eye don no wutchu meen	22:04
+perlDreamer	PatMcGroin: If there's no existing 64bit WRE, you can compile one	22:06
PatMcGroin	Right, but the problem appears to be the 32-bit executable components in /prereq/	22:07
PatMcGroin	Not WRE per se.	22:08
+perlDreamer	that _is_ the WRE	22:08
@rizen	kristi is funny	22:09
kristi	looking	22:09
PatMcGroin	Downloading source now.	22:09
+perlDreamer	the WRE is the WebGUI perl modules and the binaries needed to run it, perl, apache, mysql and so on	22:09
-!- mode/#webgui [+o kristi] by rizen		22:09
@kristi	woohoo! I'm finally red :)	22:09
* perlDreamer salutes		22:10
+perlDreamer	Yes, ma'am!	22:10
+perlDreamer	Writing documentation right away	22:10
dionak	hm, i don't see Apache::Reload in the wrebuild	22:11
+perlDreamer	The wiki says Apache2::Reload, but that may be a typo	22:11
+perlDreamer	or the page could be out of date	22:11
dionak	i did a grep for reload and Reload	22:11
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dionak	oh wait. i see it in the modules...	22:12
@rizen	dionak: apache2 reload was acciddentally removed from the wre somewhere along the way	22:12
@rizen	i have to remember to put it back in in 0.8.4	22:12
@rizen	i mean, removed from the config file	22:12
@rizen	not the modules	22:12
dionak	ok, that would explain seeing it in the modules but not the build	22:13
+perlDreamer	rizen: there are several (4) Product templates. To export them all as 1 package, can I make a new folder and move the templates in there?	22:26
@rizen	i think that walmart is trying to kill me	22:26
@rizen	sure pd	22:26
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dionak	i'm setting up a custom lib in /data/site/clientname/lib. I edited preload.custom with the path, double checked it but the macro isn't showing up. could it be permissions?	22:55
dionak	it's world readable	22:56
dionak	no errors in the logs	22:56
dionak	any ideas?	22:56
dionak	i got apache2:reload working btw...	22:57
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@rizen	did you also add the macro to your config file	23:07
dionak	yes.	23:07
dionak	i also double checked my paths	23:08
+perlDreamer	rizen: topsub reported a similar problem a couple of weeks ago	23:08
dionak	yea, i don't think it was resolved. same server	23:08
dionak	let me test a working wg macro from this dir to see if it is indeed a path issue	23:08
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CIA-6	WebGUI: jt * r6317 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 6 dirs):	23:17
CIA-6	WebGUI: zero dollar transactions	23:17
CIA-6	WebGUI: in-shop credit applies to orders	23:17
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Sunmaster_14	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/http-proxy-urls-mess-up-checkboxes I posted this bug 5 days ago. Can someone take a look at it?	23:19
BartJol	sorry Sunmaster_14, i read it, but am afraid I can't help you in any constructive way	23:21
Sunmaster_14	BartJol, ok, thanks for looking :)	23:21
+perlDreamer	Sunmaster_14: A lot of us are busy writing the new commerce system.	23:22
Sunmaster_14	perlDreamer, ok. I mean, I'm not trying to say "Hey everyone, drop what you're doing and look at this." Just wanted to know if anyone has had a chance to yet	23:23
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Sunmaster_14	hola, cap10morgan	23:28
cap10morgan	hey	23:28
+perlDreamer	Hey, did you guys know that you can create more than 1 alias to a macro?	23:41
+perlDreamer	Like, if you wanted to use the International macro, you could make entries for ^International and ^Intl	23:41
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: we need to remember to bring up the JSON collateral size limitation with rizen.	00:03
+perlDreamer	or make a dev list posting	00:03
+perlmonkey2	16MB ?	00:04
+perlmonkey2	A large blob is like 2GB	00:04
+perlmonkey2	4GB	00:05
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:07
+perlDreamer	big	00:07
+perlmonkey2	is it really an issue? instances that make it to 16GB will be rare. So if you design with a mediumtext, then physical ram isn't an issue.	00:25
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer:	00:25
+perlmonkey2	but if you have to go with a largetext then it might still not be an issue as anything handling that much traffic, is probably on some serious hardware.	00:25
+perlmonkey2	although, having 4GB of physical ram available is still not very normal.	00:25
+perlDreamer	no, it's pretty rare	00:33
+perlDreamer	look at PB's hosting options	00:33
+perlDreamer	of course, who is going to host a 160 MB survey/dataform on one of those?	00:33
+perlmonkey2	I'm just thinking about results. plus every time someone submits and answer or makes a change to the survey, the entire thing is loaded from the DB. If it is large, that just feels ugly.	00:36
+perlDreamer	maybe answers should continue to be kept separate	00:38
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+perlDreamer	apeiron, preaction_: I need a bug consult, please	01:03
@preaction_	which bug?	01:03
+perlDreamer	I just found it	01:03
+perlDreamer	check out lib/WebGUI/Form/Hidden.pm	01:03
+perlDreamer	toHtmlAsHidden	01:03
+perlDreamer	now, suppose you want to set the value 0 as your hidden value	01:03
+perlDreamer	what is $value in that sub?	01:03
@preaction_	probably $self->get('value') without any quotes, special characters, or macros	01:04
+perlDreamer	it's '', empty string	01:05
+perlDreamer	due to the \|\| '' at the nd	01:05
+perlDreamer	so you can't set 0 as the hidden value	01:05
@preaction_	it my version it's only the "name" parameter that has that \|\| ''	01:06
+perlDreamer	what rev are you at?	01:06
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@preaction_	dunno, working on a client project	01:06
+perlDreamer	7.4?	01:06
@preaction_	75	01:07
@preaction_	oh, i see, at the end of my $value	01:07
@preaction_	that should probably be changed to a defined check	01:07
@preaction_	or would that even be necessary?	01:08
@apeiron	\|\| is truth	01:08
+perlDreamer	it's necessary if you want to use 0 as a value :)	01:08
* perlDreamer really wants 5.10 now		01:08
@apeiron	perlDreamer, Yeah, likewise.	01:08
@apeiron	0 or the empty string for that matter.	01:09
+perlDreamer	from what I can ack in Form, Radio, Checkbox and Hidden are all affected	01:09
+perlDreamer	well, empty string would give you the empty string, which is fine	01:09
@preaction_	no, i mean checking for defined. what does $string = undef . "something"; equal?	01:09
+perlDreamer	something	01:09
@apeiron	perlDreamer, Empty string would still fail truth testing.	01:09
@apeiron	perlbot, false	01:09
perlbot	undef, 0, "", "0"	01:09
+perlDreamer	yes apeiron, but in that case $value = '' \|\| '';	01:10
@apeiron	ah, right.	01:10
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+perlDreamer	hey, the man himself	01:10
+perlDreamer	rizen: I think I found a bug in the recent Form changes	01:11
+perlDreamer	if you have time, please check out Form/Hidden, ToHtmlAsHidden, and consider if I want to set the value 0	01:12
+perlDreamer	I have a patch that adds checking for 0 to the tests for Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, and a patch that fixes it in Hidden and Checkbox (Radio was okay).	01:20
+perlDreamer	If I commit that patch, will I break something else?	01:25
+perlDreamer	preaction_: it's in 7.5.10, the last released beta	01:26
+perlDreamer	rizen: never mind. It's much older than the recent form fixes.	01:28
+perlDreamer	it's from rev 4152	01:31
+perlDreamer	very, very old	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'll commit the tests and patches	01:31
+perlDreamer	I spent an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't edit the first product variant, #0	01:33
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6318 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs):	01:41
CIA-6	WebGUI: Fix Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, which wouldn't allow	01:41
CIA-6	WebGUI: a value of zero to be set in them. It was translated to	01:41
CIA-6	WebGUI: the empty string.	01:41
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CIA-6	WebGUI: Merging in functioning variants.	02:53
CIA-6	WebGUI: Fixed bugs in getIndexedCollateralData.	02:53
CIA-6	WebGUI: Added variants to the view template.	02:53
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): Help for the variant template variables in the Product template.	02:53
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: customize some Sku methods for Product	03:40
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6322 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: It's okay to delete the Product Wobject now.	03:40
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: you keep saying that responses should be kept seperate.....I think you are on to something :P	04:01
+perlDreamer	no, it's just the virus talking	04:01
+perlDreamer	my short term memory is questionable	04:01
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: because do you know how attractive it is for to me to think of getting a request, grabbing the entire survey from a few JSON columns, and then not having to do anymore queries? That is just too sexy.	04:02
+perlmonkey2	could even make everything JSON enabled classes.	04:03
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* perlDreamer shudders at an all JSON asset		04:13
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, I just mean the collateral would be objects that know how to turn themselves into/from JSON.	04:14
+perlmonkey2	but that paradigm kind of breaks the All-In-A-Single-Object that appears to be used currently.	04:15
+perlmonkey2	not that I'm saying that is wrong, as wG is obviously a nice piece of softwar.e	04:15
+perlDreamer	oh, well in that case (and since I just wrote one that way), that's okay	04:19
+perlDreamer	hm, maybe I can get MrHairgrease to tutor in me in advanced WebGUI::Product usage tomorrow.	04:21
+perlmonkey2	hmm, I'm thinking it might be a good time to buy some Yahoo stock.	04:22
+perlmonkey2	They were devalued by a scary statemt.	04:22
+perlmonkey2	surely they weren't just that overvalued before the scary statement.	04:22
+perlDreamer	I think they were pumped up by the chance of being purchased.	04:23
+perlDreamer	and have probably returned to a normal level	04:23
+perlmonkey2	oh, yeah. Looks like Feb 08 is when the offer first surface.d	04:23
+perlmonkey2	now they are back to slightly over what they were.	04:23
+perlmonkey2	What Balmer can giveth, Balmer can taketh away.	04:23
@apeiron	I was reading about that on some business site or another and the finance folk are talking about it with complete disregard for anything but moneymaking opportunities: nothing along the lines of personal integrity or what the purchase would actually do to the tech world.	04:24
+perlmonkey2	it would change the internet quite a bit. MS would have a lot more clout to spread their poison online.	04:25
+perlDreamer	I heard that a prominent open source developer is incensed at MS's actions.	04:26
@apeiron	This is news?	04:26
+perlDreamer	sure :)	04:26
+perlDreamer	i'm gonna take a break for a while	04:27
@apeiron	Have fun, then.	04:28
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patspam	has anyone successfully played with Survey 2.0? I've installed the WebGUI_Survey2 branch but am getting "Unknown column 'exitURL' in 'field list' when trying to add a Survey object	07:34
+Radix-wrk	man.. if you posted that like half an hour earlier you might've got a response from perlmonkey2 (who is the one working on Survey 2.0)	07:38
+Radix-wrk	he's honestly the best one to talk to if you have issues with Survey 2.0 at this stage	07:39
patspam	ah bugger. ok, I'll send a note out to the dev list asking if it's usable yet	07:44
patspam	or is there a spec/overview document floating around? I just want to check out what the planned features	07:45
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virgomoon	I'm getting the following error in my http-error log .. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'userProfileData.fieldData' in 'field list' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." .. I checked that userProfileData table and 'fieldData' isn't there .. does that sound familiar to anyone?	16:16
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:36
virgomoon	morning	16:40
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+perlmonkey2	what's new today?	17:11
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer where are you? slacker.	17:12
+perlmonkey2	So I've never seen this in a wobject, but is there any harm in building insideout objects in a module? Just little mini packages to abstract some data away?	17:13
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+perlmonkey2	rizen: Would you have a problem with me adding some helper classes to the bottom of Survey.pm? I want to move sections,questions,answers into JSON columns in the survey table, but want some nice clean code to wrap the handling of that data in.	17:47
@rizen	go for it	17:49
@rizen	clean code is good	17:49
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+snapcount	anyone know of a cpan module or built-in that is similar to the frequency function in excel?	17:58
+snapcount	i.e., for generating histograms	17:58
+perlmonkey2	rizen: A Mixin wouldn't be a better solution?	18:01
@rizen	pm2 are you arguing against yourself?	18:02
+perlmonkey2	heh, yes	18:02
+perlmonkey2	I do that all the time.	18:02
+perlmonkey2	If I'm spending any serious amount of money, I will debate myself forever.	18:02
+perlmonkey2	I'm surprised I am able to ever decide anything.	18:03
@rizen	just get it done already	18:04
@rizen	how is that for motivation?	18:04
+snapcount	ahh found it... nm	18:05
+perlmonkey2	rizen: V1 is supposed to go into a real beta today. I'm in the process of moving it to the production test machines.	18:05
+perlmonkey2	it is getting there, even if I have to take a cattle prod to these guys, they will decide upon a feature set and stop whining.	18:06
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doc7777	Hello friends. I have a quick theme question that has me stumped. Using the DCarter80 theme the author says to "User can easily shift color (including the logo) by linking the style template to different .css color files.". How do you do this very thing?	18:10
doc7777	I usually use linux so my mind snaps to a symlink but being we are talking about a webgui theme I am clueless. :-)	18:11
BartJol	in the template you refer to your css file\	18:12
BartJol	in the head section	18:12
BartJol	just find the url of the desired colorscheme css and replace the current colorscheme css	18:13
BartJol	it is possible there is more than one, so be a bit carefull	18:13
doc7777	I cannot seem to edit the template. It goes to a failsafe page and when you click edit it just refreshes the page. Maybe I am in the wrong place...	18:14
+perlmonkey2	doc7777: You'll probably have to create your own css file as a snippet. Then link to that.	18:14
BartJol	a, was a step further, thought that the snippets were qalready there :)	18:15
doc7777	It has a "style" then "green, blue , orange.css" snippets. They say to link the style to the .css. That is where I am clueless ;)	18:15
BartJol	via what exact route are you trying to edit your template?	18:16
doc7777	http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/theme-dcarter-80#LdAZc7SCyEj8oY62Prcylg is the theme.	18:16
BartJol	is your template already submitted (the version tag with the template in it, it is?)	18:17
doc7777	Yea, and it shows on the site. Its just the theme is green when we want blue ;) the url would be: /dcarter80_style7?func=edit	18:18
doc7777	but that just refreshes the page you are looking at.	18:19
BartJol	mm, having a problem with importing it, probably one of my settingsd	18:21
BartJol	so	18:21
BartJol	and if you go to the asset manager, you should see an object called dcarter80_style	18:22
BartJol	?	18:22
doc7777	Aye I see that	18:22
BartJol	what type is it?	18:22
doc7777	Template	18:22
BartJol	mmm, and if you press the according edit link?	18:23
doc7777	When here I see a nice formated blue and white admin page: /dcarter87?func=manageAssets	18:23
BartJol	so that's a template you can edit?	18:24
doc7777	When I click the edit link beside the _style I get a fail safe page at /dcarter80_style7?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets listing all the dcarter files.	18:24
+snapcount	holy crap	18:24
+snapcount	do you guys know if perldreamers cpan id is colink?	18:25
+snapcount	If it is him then I'm mailing a beer to Oregon	18:25
doc7777	Clicking edit again just refreshes that same page. Seems odd. ;)	18:25
doc7777	No idea here snap...	18:25
BartJol	ok so that's a folder with the according css files	18:26
BartJol	could be colin	18:26
+snapcount	I think he's the author of Statistics::Descriptive	18:26
+snapcount	which is a very nice module	18:26
+snapcount	I just assumed WebGUI was his entire life =D	18:26
BartJol	but your template, is the one you just had	18:26
+snapcount	I'll have to ask him later	18:27
BartJol	probably in the head section there's something like: <link href="^/;dcarter_style7/green.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />	18:27
CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6323 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Major updates to spec	18:27
CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6324 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Major updates to spec	18:27
BartJol	colin is a workaholic, so I assume it's quite possible	18:28
doc7777	I have a DCarter folder with all the files in it. When I click edit beside the style it just goes to fail safe and lists the files again. Maybe it cannot parse the template?	18:28
BartJol	you should use that template for a page, the asset manager pages are just for managing	18:30
BartJol	and their template is not easily configured	18:30
doc7777	hehe, yea I figured as much. I mean when I try and edit the Dcarter80_style it will not.	18:31
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BartJol	jee , hard to tell what's going wrong, without seeing this	18:31
BartJol	and I'm afraid I have to go	18:31
doc7777	Yea, been working with it about an hour and I need to go to. Thanks!	18:31
BartJol	well, then we both have to go\	18:32
BartJol	that's a relief	18:32
doc7777	Till then! waves	18:32
BartJol	are you back later today?	18:32
doc7777	sure	18:32
BartJol	ok, i will be in 5 or 6 hours	18:32
doc7777	bout the same here. Maybe we can resolve it then ;)	18:32
BartJol	ok, see you latrer	18:32
doc7777	Thank you so much for the help	18:32
doc7777	ok	18:32
BartJol	no problem	18:33
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+perlmonkey2	hmm, I can't figure out why wG is resending static files that have not been altered since their last modified date. I'm looking at teh headers in firebug, and the headers are correct, the files should not be resent.	19:38
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: Are you sure that it's wG sending them, or the browser requesting them regardless of the header settings?	19:42
+perlmonkey2	I'm looking at the request headers which are including if-modified-since	19:43
+perlmonkey2	which in the file I'm testing with, is two hours ago.	19:43
+snapcount	hey perlDreamer - are you the author of Statistics::Descriptive?	19:43
+perlDreamer	Yes	19:44
+perlDreamer	well, maintainer	19:44
+snapcount	you rule man	19:44
+snapcount	I'm using that package and it saved me a ton of work	19:44
+perlDreamer	You think so? It's actually one of the more maligned CPAN modules out there.	19:44
+perlDreamer	Jon Orwant hates it	19:44
+snapcount	is there something that is supposedly better?	19:44
+snapcount	I couldn't find anything that would allow you to do frequency distribution with specific bins	19:45
+snapcount	except your module	19:45
+perlDreamer	He says it's just very slow, and not well suited to an OO paradigm	19:45
+snapcount	well it works great for me =)	19:46
+perlDreamer	cool!	19:46
+snapcount	now if I could find a module to generate the graph rotated 90 deg =P	19:46
+snapcount	in text	19:46
+snapcount	I have a bell curve on it's side lol	19:47
+perlDreamer	well, you're working with a valid sample then :)	19:47
+snapcount	indeed	19:49
@apeiron	perlDreamer, For 'hating' it, Mr. Orwant hasn't said a word of such on the module review page.	19:58
+perlDreamer	No, he just published a book with his comments :)	20:02
+perlDreamer	and I shouldn't say hate, that's my perception of his evaluation of the module	20:02
@apeiron	Ah, the Algorithms book?	20:04
+perlDreamer	yes	20:04
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+perlDreamer	dionak: did you ever find the solution to the mystery of unloadable custom macro?	20:47
dionak	no, i haven't yet. i will return to it in the next couple of days	20:51
dionak	i'll share what i find	20:52
dionak	i'm busy doing project design, atm	20:52
dionak	thanks for asking	20:53
+perlDreamer	np. I'm completely stumped, so I'm curious as to what the resolution is.	20:55
dionak	i am too. it's definitely not path related, i've discovered. right now, i'm inclined to think it's a permission issue	20:55
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lisette	hello, i need obtain the survey_responseId when the user complete the survey, how to do?	20:58
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lisette	?	21:03
+perlDreamer	lisette, you need to tell us more about what you're trying to do	21:04
+perlDreamer	do you want that in a template, or in some code?	21:04
lisette	wait me	21:07
lisette	ya lo hice	21:15
lisette	a query in the table Survey_response	21:15
+perlDreamer	by userId?	21:15
+perlDreamer	ordered by endDate. That should do it	21:16
+perlmonkey2	What do you do when you ask someone a rhetorical question and they answer it incorrectly?	21:20
+perlDreamer	laugh politely and explain what they did wrong	21:20
+perlDreamer	No, I'm sorry. Toilets don't swirl clockwise in Australia due to magnetic fields working on slight charged water molecules	21:21
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lisette	orderby endDate	22:04
lisette	desc	22:05
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lisette	perlDreamer, the congress that there is going to have to learn how to handle the API WebGUI? or for anything else?	22:58
+perlDreamer	lisette, the topics for the conference are all over the place. This year, there are not many sessions about the WebGUI API.	23:01
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/wuc/schedule	23:01
+perlDreamer	Building Advanced Workflows, URL and Content Handlers, WebGUI Search are about pieces of the API	23:02
+perlDreamer	A lot of the conference is introducing the new WebGUI 7.5 features	23:03
+perlDreamer	Commerce	23:03
+perlDreamer	Thingy	23:03
+perlDreamer	Survey 2.0	23:03
lisette	all is in english?	23:03
+perlDreamer	yes	23:03
lisette	ok	23:03
lisette	which the cost?	23:03
lisette	which is the cost	23:03
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/wuc/registration	23:03
+perlDreamer	$500 for two days	23:03
+perlDreamer	The Hotel where the conference is has discount rates of $124/night, but there's also a hostel down the street.	23:05
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/wuc/hotel-information	23:05
+perlDreamer	they'll feed you lunch at the conference each day	23:05
lisette	The event lasts only 2 days?	23:05
+perlDreamer	this year, yes	23:06
+perlDreamer	last year it was 3 days long	23:06
+perlDreamer	people voted to have more classes at the same time, but for fewer days	23:06
preaction__	there's the designers session beforehand too	23:06
preaction__	well, i think it's a basic tutorial for designers and content managers	23:06
+perlDreamer	lisette was asking about coder's talks and stuff	23:06
lisette	ok, thanks	23:07
+perlDreamer	Does anyone know if there are still open seats for the conference?	23:11
+perlDreamer	Last year it sold out.	23:11
lisette	what is mean the combo?	23:12
+perlDreamer	on the registration form? It means to buy tickets for the workshops (which happen before the conference) and the conference itself.	23:12
+perlDreamer	combo = combination	23:13
+perlDreamer	combinacion	23:13
+perlDreamer	compra boletos para la conferencia y clases addicionales	23:14
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+perlDreamer	BartJol, when 7.5 is released, you are going to be a very busy man	23:15
lisette	what is the different?	23:16
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: speaking of translation, is the new Survey 2.0 fully i18n'ed and documented in the help system	23:16
+perlDreamer	entre las clases y la conferencia?	23:17
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: not yet	23:18
BartJol	oh	23:18
BartJol	why?	23:18
+perlmonkey2	we're getting a V1 prelim out, and then I'll take a week to add all the V2 stuff they want and make it ready for WebGUI.	23:18
+perlmonkey2	BartJol: there wasn't time.	23:19
BartJol	so all the versions that didn't come out, stack up?	23:19
+perlmonkey2	?	23:19
BartJol	Am I that drunk?	23:20
+perlDreamer	BartJol, new commerce system, new assets	23:20
BartJol	oooh	23:20
+perlDreamer	BartJol, there is going to be a huge work released in 7.5.11	23:20
BartJol	pinda's	23:20
BartJol	or peanuts...	23:21
lisette	bye	23:23
BartJol	when's that all going to take place?	23:23
+perlDreamer	the end of may	23:23
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BartJol	ah, the second week of june, i'm sailing, so I've gat 1 week then	23:24
BartJol	that's gonna be fun	23:26
BartJol	oh, that's my own deadline.. otherwise arabic will catch up :)	23:27
+perlDreamer	dude, you're so far ahead of them	23:27
BartJol	only 10 %	23:28
+perlDreamer	but they haven't touched the translation for a long time	23:28
+perlDreamer	a very long time	23:28
BartJol	gotta keep my status	23:28
BartJol	It's the only one I got :)	23:33
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BartJol	has anybody seen citronized? I promised to help the French connection	00:04
+perlDreamer	havent' seen him today	00:07
BartJol	he was here 6 hours ago and would be back	00:07
BartJol	(around this tine)	00:07
BartJol	bu thanks	00:07
+perlDreamer	http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2008-05.log	00:08
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BartJol	ok, this tells myself something about maybe going to sleep, I meant doc7777	00:27
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+perlDreamer	BartJol: Haven't seen him either	00:39
+perlDreamer	You can go to sleep :)	00:39
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BartJol	ah, well	00:43
BartJol	then let's be wise, so bye!	00:43
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+perlDreamer	hail, preaction!	01:13
+perlDreamer	what have you been up to?	01:13
@preaction	HAI!	01:14
@preaction	fixing approval processes to be more easily pluggable	01:14
+perlDreamer	japanese?	01:14
@preaction	no, i missed the L in HAIL	01:14
+perlDreamer	mysql++: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/284926989/article.pl	01:16
@apeiron	er. They decided to maintain status quo. By that logic, we should all get ++ every second we don't change. :)	01:25
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@preaction	yeah, mysql-- and sun-- for scaring people like that	01:28
+perlDreamer	honestly, I think that's the remarkable part of the affair	01:37
+perlDreamer	they announced that they were going to do something bad	01:37
+perlDreamer	realized it was bad	01:37
+perlDreamer	then changed their minds	01:38
+perlDreamer	the best would have been not to have done it at all	01:38
@preaction	realized it was bad is a euphamism for "realized major amounts of money could be lost"	01:40
+perlDreamer	good to see that the psychic link is back up :)	01:40
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dionak	hey, if anyone knows itnomad (jack), let's have a private conversation.	03:52
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doc777	Anyone tried the DCarter80 theme that is in the addon section theme. It comes in 3 colors and you are supposed to be able to change it by "linking the style template to different .css color files.". I have spent a few hours trying to figure out how to do this. If I click "edit" on the DCarter80_style it just refreshes the page and does not show an edit page. What am I missing here?	06:04
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+perlDreamer	doc777: BartJol was here earlier looking for you.	06:15
+perlDreamer	cap10morgan: contgratulations on your PBWG!	06:15
doc777	Thank you, I got in a bit late. Maybe I can catch him in the morning ;)	06:17
+perlDreamer	I'm sure he'll be back after he gets some sleep.	06:17
doc777	Is there a way to extract files from a .wgpkg outside of webgui?	06:41
@preaction	tar xf	06:44
@preaction	i'm not sure if wgpkg are gzipped or not	06:44
@preaction	either they're just tarred, or they're tarred and gzipped	06:44
doc777	will try that, thanks!	06:44
+perlDreamer	file .wgpkg should tell you the format	06:45
doc777	Got it extracted. Mostly .json files so not really what I was looking for. ;)	06:49
+perlDreamer	all the data is in there, just in JSON format	06:52
@preaction	it's all the columns from the database	06:52
doc777	I have a template file dcarter80_style that will not let me edit it. It has a line in it pointing to the wrong snippet but I cannot get into it to change. Either through webgui or the file system. Also cannot seem to actually just download it, edit, upload like you would do with ftp.	06:55
doc777	Was hoping to extract it, edit it, then upload it. But thats in a .json format and not a template so wrong turn there.	06:56
doc777	But I did get to look into the file and find the line that needed to be changed. Just no way seeable to change it.	06:56
@preaction	open that up in a text editor, but if it won't let you edit from the web interface, i doubt it'll let you overwrite using a package	06:56
@preaction	did you try copying and changing your copy?	06:57
@preaction	is it locked? does the yellow lock icon show up in the asset manager?	06:58
doc777	Hrm, let me give that a shot. When I click "Edit" it simply refreshes the page.	06:58
@preaction	check the error log?	06:58
@preaction	with log level set to WARN or higher?	06:58
doc777	It is showing "unloacked". I didnt find anything in the webgui log about it. (unsure on how to set the log level to a higher setting)	06:59
doc777	er unlocked....	06:59
+perlDreamer	etc/log.conf	06:59
@preaction	WebGUI/etc/log.conf, look for ERROR, change it to WARN	06:59
doc777	Will do...	07:00
@preaction	you'll have to restart the webserver afterwards, of course	07:01
doc777	I find myself doing that a whole lot ;-)	07:02
doc777	Aha! Thank you for the log tip. Unable to find object error. I commented out the: "templateParsers" : ["WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTML::Template::Expr"],	07:07
doc777		07:07
doc777	and it let me edit. Thank you!	07:07
@preaction	seems like there are some errors that need to be bumped up in severity	07:10
+perlDreamer	preaction: I suspect that the default log level could be left at warn if all the errors were set appropriately.	07:13
@preaction	so 404 gets bumped down to info?	07:14
@preaction	404 is the one that shows up the most when you put loglevel warn	07:14
+perlDreamer	404?	07:14
+perlDreamer	that's a httpd error	07:14
@preaction	Asset Not Found, then	07:15
+perlDreamer	A04	07:15
doc777	The top of this template uses: </tmpl_if> I am guessing that will require the Template::Expr parser or will the default do it?	07:23
+perlDreamer	depends on what the other end of the <tmpl_if> look like	07:24
+perlDreamer	tmpl_if is supported in both	07:24
+perlDreamer	it's the boolean that can be different with Expr	07:24
doc777	its a line like: <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn> <tmpl_var controls>	07:26
doc777	</tmpl_if>	07:26
+perlDreamer	that will work in regular, old HTML::Template	07:26
doc777	Great! Thank you ;)	07:26
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CIA-6	WebGUI: graham * r6325 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Data Form field names changed on edit	10:51
CIA-6	WebGUI: graham * r6326 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Collaboration RSS link in header doesn't indicate title	10:51
CIA-6	WebGUI: graham * r6327 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (sbin/userImport.pl docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: userImport.pl overwrites settings when updating users	10:51
CIA-6	WebGUI: graham * r6328 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.36 release	10:51
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BartJo1	grrr some people ar stupid	16:51
BartJo1	even more than me, that is	16:51
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BartJo1	morning to you Scott	16:52
SDuensin	Greetings and stuff.	16:56
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jua1	i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to ldap?	17:39
jua1	excuseme	17:39
jua1	can i change it to WebGUI?	17:39
BartJo1	dunno	17:41
Doc777	I really cant guide you on that (new myself) But I am using webGUI auth and seems fine.	17:41
BartJo1	Doc777 already some succes with your greenbluered template]	17:43
BartJo1	?	17:43
Doc777	Anyone know what makes a theme look fine when admin is on but when off the site shows failsafe? No version tag to commit.	17:43
Doc777	Ah yes, Bart. Last night I saw someone mention setting logging to WARN so I did that and found in the log file there was an error about Template::Expr. I commented that line out and restarted apache and it let me edit it now ;)	17:44
BartJo1	are you sure it is the same url	17:45
Doc777	Well it is the main url to the site. I tried clearing the cache, cleared browser cache. When logged in as Admin the template looks good. When Admin is off it is non existent and failsafe.	17:46
BartJo1	maybe the security settings for the template are not good	17:47
Doc777	Looked over them and they are set to Everyone view. Maybe I should reset them again for good measure.	17:47
BartJo1	so the page and style layout are both visible for everyone?	17:48
Doc777	Yea, who can view is set to everyone on both.	17:49
BartJo1	well, that's one thing that is correct :)	17:50
Doc777	Hehe, yes it is	17:50
BartJo1	mmm, then it becomes harder to tell, thinking...	17:51
BartJo1	I am deep thought :)	17:52
Doc777	It's ok, it has become a quest. Restarting random things at the moment ;)	17:53
BartJo1	just give me admin rights, so I can look :)	17:54
BartJo1	maybe it's a function you're calling	17:55
BartJo1	what's the template for the user function style in the settings?	17:55
Doc777	Not sure I follow you. Let me find that ;)	17:56
BartJo1	eeeh, it's in the settings, not sure which tab	17:56
Doc777	If the site was actually on the web I would but it is on our LAN until complete ;-)	17:57
BartJo1	it's in the tab UI	17:57
Doc777	Well I set it to the same as the site but nothing seemed to change.	17:59
BartJo1	too bad... want more power!!	17:59
BartJo1	mmm	18:00
Doc777	I am sure it would help ;)	18:00
BartJo1	so the next thing I can think of is a strange thing in the template, which is opened in the things that are visible for admin	18:01
BartJo1	but that would be strange	18:01
Doc777	Possibly	18:01
BartJo1	yeah, well	18:02
BartJo1	that's about it, for what I can think of...	18:03
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Doc777	That seems to be the case. I changed to another template and it worked fine. I changed back to this one and if admin is on it is fine but users see fail safe. So that has to be it. You are a genious!	18:04
Doc777	;)	18:04
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BartJo1	jee, that's something new for me	18:06
BartJo1	well then fix your template..	18:06
Doc777	It was downloaded from the add on section but I am guessing that has to be the issue as that is the symptoms.	18:07
dionak	which one did you download?	18:09
Doc777	Theme: Dcarter 80	18:09
BartJo1	but I think they have all clean url's	18:10
BartJo1	where are they?	18:10
BartJo1	mm that looks good, in my import	18:11
BartJo1	i have no problems	18:12
BartJo1	http://webgui.bartjol.nl/home	18:12
Doc777	Maybe this is an issue: In the asset tree you have ROOT > HOME \| I have a folder called ROOT > STUFF and the template is in there. When I placed it in the HOME folder it showed up in various places on the site and in the navigation and such ;) Do you think this is the issue?	18:13
BartJo1	it's about url's	18:14
BartJo1	and those are fixed in the package	18:14
BartJo1	it shouldn't matter	18:14
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Doc777	ok	18:14
BartJo1	mind the word shouldn't ;)	18:15
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Doc777	Found a clue in the apache log. 404 on the .css	18:16
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BartJo1	did you replace green with a good alternativ	18:18
BartJo1	e	18:18
BartJo1	eeh.... you lost one 7?!?	18:18
BartJo1	is the css file available for everyone then?	18:19
Doc777	Well here is the odd part. The actual snippet is called graceblue14.css and apache is looking for graceblue.css	18:19
BartJo1	is that the url or the title?	18:20
Doc777	The graceblue14 is the url, the graceblue is the title.	18:21
BartJo1	and the url to the css in the template and the url of the css match I suppose..	18:21
Doc777	From the site you can pull up /graceblue14.css and display the code. But /graceblue.css gives a 404.	18:22
BartJo1	but what are the security setting of graceblue14	18:22
BartJo1	because in admin mode it does show doesn't it?	18:22
Doc777	yea... shows fine in admin mode. Failsafe when not. Security is set to Everyone can view.	18:23
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BartJo1	mmm getting desperate	18:26
Doc777	I think you hit on the right thing with the url in the template. It seems it needs to be set to the actual url of the snippet. (14). That probably got thrown off by having to reinstall the theme so many times because of the Template::Expr issue.	18:26
Doc777	I think we are onto something as the colors are appearing ;)	18:26
BartJo1	whoa	18:26
Doc777	Hey thats a big thing for me ;)	18:26
BartJo1	(small) VICTORY!	18:26
Doc777	At last ;)	18:27
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BartJo1	now I will sleep with a comforted heart	18:28
Doc777	Thank you for so much help Bart. You figured it out through text. That is great! ;)	18:31
BartJo1	well, it took me some sweat too, but it's really hot right now in the netherlands	18:31
BartJo1	the cheeses are melting :)	18:32
Doc777	Ack! Cant have that.	18:32
BartJo1	we can't live without cheese, except MrHarigrease...	18:33
Doc777	lol, yea we love it here to. East coast usa.	18:34
CIA-6	WebGUI: jt * r6330 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: fixed a problem where no current asset is set	18:34
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BartJo1	but now it's time to sit outside and drink a beer, only I have to find a partner in booze...	18:35
@apeiron	BartJo1, Ship them to JT and pick them up at the WUC!	18:36
Doc777	There ya go ;)	18:36
@apeiron	They can work the Wisconsin cheese magic on them, too.	18:37
BartJo1	ah	18:37
BartJo1	well, but are how am I supposed to maintaion myself till then?	18:38
BartJo1	wisconic cheese is also good	18:38
BartJo1	especially with aplle py	18:38
Doc777	Sure is!	18:38
BartJo1	apple pie	18:38
BartJo1	or is it Wisconsinic	18:40
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lisette	I can know that users have been logged to date?	18:43
@apeiron	lisette, You want to know that users have logged in on or before a specific date?	18:44
lisette	today	18:44
@apeiron	ah.	18:45
@apeiron	lisette, The userLoginLog table in the DB has that info.	18:45
lisette	thanks	18:46
BartJo1	or in the login history in the admin console?	18:49
lisette	how?	18:49
BartJo1	Gebruiker (identificatie) StatusLogin tijdIP adresUser agentAdmin (3)success10:15am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14Admin (3)success10:12am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14	18:50
BartJo1	it's dutch, but anyway	18:50
dionak	there's an icon in the admin console	18:50
BartJo1	go to the admin console and click on login history?	18:50
BartJo1	and yes, I use windows... , long live steve balmer!	18:53
BartJo1	oh eeeh	18:53
BartJo1	so long, and thanks for all the fish	18:55
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elnino	good morning! This is probably a really dumb question, but I can seem to make this work.	18:58
elnino	hold on. ..	18:59
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elnino	does preaction=JT?	19:14
@preaction	no	19:14
@rizen	no	19:14
@rizen	rizen = JT	19:14
@rizen	preaction = Famous Rockstar	19:14
elnino	oh. I have a long winded explaination of my shortcut request if you want it. =) otherwise, it's ok if you want to close my recent RFE	19:15
@preaction	i'm here for the atmosphere, sometimes the food's okay too	19:15
elnino	=)	19:15
@rizen	give it	19:15
elnino	ok.. don't say I didnt' warn you...	19:15
elnino	Marketing hired a translater to translates a page into about 15 different languages. Their preference is for us to post the pages as they gave them to us "as is". Which I know I can do if I had used one of those by pass directorys.	19:15
elnino	I have choosen not do do this for the following reasons.	19:15
elnino	Their html code was broken, and we wanted to post the pages within webgui so that marketing could modify links and the look of the site, and have that apply to these pages. And Also, as marketing already have done so, are starting to build additional pages underneath these initial pages.	19:16
elnino	follow so far?	19:16
elnino	So back to my request. We are tired of them giving us broken pages, and they want to see the pages on the site (as they delivered them) - so they can see how broken they are, despite our efforts in sending screen shots and explaining what needs to be fixed and that they can see these if they just tested them.	19:18
elnino	So I choose to compromise by posting the pages as is" by using snippets. I choose this method so that marketing can still modify the pages within webgui and create pages underneath.	19:18
elnino	Doing so, I found that I need to have subdirectory under each snippet for the supporting files (which I could avoid if they were posted the way I wanted to) and rather than uploading the same files 10 times over, I was hoping to use shortcuts, because no doubt they'll see their error and I will need to reupload all the files all over again.	19:18
elnino	end-of-story	19:18
elnino	hopefully that makes sense. but I know there are alternative methods, so I'm fine if you don't think others will want "mass shortcutting" functionality.	19:19
elnino	but the reason why I logged on is, that is seems that the snippets (text/html)aren't picking up the conents of the sub directories, so I'm kinda scratching my head right now.	19:20
elnino	paths in the html files they gave us are relative, so I thought the folder under the snippet would work.	19:22
@rizen	the position in the asset tree is irrelevant	19:22
@rizen	the url is what's relevant	19:22
@rizen	so you can have just one folder	19:23
@rizen	and have them all use it	19:23
@rizen	i can't see your html, but let's say they have a folder called "images" that they have stuff in	19:23
@rizen	so the image tag looks like:	19:24
@rizen	<img src="images/this.jpg">	19:24
elnino	so if a snippet has a image with the url of: "images/header.jpg" does webgui append a / in front of the path?	19:24
@rizen	no	19:24
@rizen	let me continue	19:24
elnino	sorry - we typed at the same time. please continue.	19:25
@rizen	and you have your HTML as a snippet (containing the above tag) with a url of /foo/bar.html	19:25
@rizen	then your images need to have a url of foo/bar/this.jpg	19:26
@rizen	that may sound confusing, but keep in mind that WebGUI's asset tree has absolutely nothing to do with a traditional filesystem	19:26
@rizen	the URLs are completely independent of the structure in the tree	19:27
@rizen	back to your request for RFE	19:27
@rizen	that's a jury rig in the best case scenario. i don't want to encourage that behavior. request denied.	19:27
@rizen	that's as much help as i can provide for now. must get back to work.	19:28
elnino	did you mean foo/bar/images/this.jpg?	19:28
@rizen	no	19:28
@rizen	bar is the .html	19:28
@rizen	bar.html	19:28
@rizen	foo is the folde rname	19:28
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elnino	in the snippet the image path is "images/this.jpg:	19:28
elnino	if anyone followed this, I do understand that placement of the images directory is irrelevant, I only placed it below the snippet so that the url of the images directory was generated automatically for me. However, I think rizen is incorrect.	19:32
elnino	in his example he referenced images/this.jpg and said the url for the image needs to be foo/bar/this.jpg. even though his example the snippet references the images using the image directory?	19:33
elnino	it seems in his example it should be foo/bar/images/this.jpg. Can someone confirm if that was a typo on his part?	19:35
elnino	but for good measure, I'll try what he suggested (without the images directory in the url)	19:36
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elnino	Another question, does webgui drop the .html portion when it's in the middle of a url? in rizen's example: it should be foo/bar/this.jpg, it seems to me that it should be: foo/bar.html/this.jpg?	19:45
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6332 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update defaultValue in the group field of the PayDriver definition	19:54
topsub	Is there a way i can pull content profiling information in the search results template?	20:14
+perlDreamer	search results template?	20:14
+perlDreamer	you mean sql report template?	20:14
+perlDreamer	wait, never mind	20:14
+perlDreamer	yes	20:14
+perlDreamer	the AOI macro	20:15
+perlDreamer	^AOIHits and ^AOIRank	20:15
+perlDreamer	the SQL macro could also be used to pull the results with a custom query	20:16
+perlDreamer	if you mean you want content profiling info associated with the search results themselves, that could be very slow since you'd be making a query per asset. But it would work.	20:18
topsub	well when they do a search the results that come back we want to add the content profiling informatin into the template with the results	20:18
topsub	so you will see the File name + content profiling information as a list. If that makes sence	20:19
dionak	he's just saying that would work but be slower	20:19
dionak	i guess that the amount of overhead would be directly related to the number of results in a search query	20:20
topsub	ah alright i will give it a shot	20:20
dionak	and the number of subsequent queries to retrieve the content profile data	20:20
elnino	rizen - can't get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others Thank you for your time.	20:21
+perlDreamer	dionak: when you said unused variables in your email, do you mean existing template variables that aren't used (but could be) or template variables that are never used?	20:22
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dionak	the post indicated, to me at least, that some variables were discovered in the templates to never be used. i was thinking i would need to verify that..	20:26
dionak	i really haven't looked	20:26
dionak	but i'm pretty good at reverse engineering.	20:27
dionak	plus, i figured i could ask you guys ;)	20:27
+perlDreamer	rizen has found that the more template variables, the slower the render and higher the memory usage	20:28
+perlDreamer	so removing those we can would be great	20:28
dionak	ah, good.	20:29
+perlDreamer	there was even a plan in place at one time to remove replace i18n labels with i18n macro calls	20:29
+perlDreamer	since they're still faster than making template variables	20:29
+perlDreamer	and only the ones used are called	20:29
+perlDreamer	but I don't know where those plans lie now	20:29
+perlDreamer	I'm guessing they take a back seat to C2	20:29
dionak	i'm sure they do. commerce seems to be rolling along well from the comments we see	20:30
+perlDreamer	there's a lot of progress being made, but it's a huge project	20:30
dionak	it sounds to me like the main goal would be to clean up the templates, make them more standard and accessible via css	20:30
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dionak	yes, it certainly is.	20:30
dionak	i'm looking forward to seeing the end result, and i'm sure others are too. especially the devs.	20:31
dionak	are you working on that project at all?	20:32
+perlDreamer	yes	20:32
+perlDreamer	I'm building the product	20:32
dionak	what part are you working on?	20:32
dionak	just curious	20:32
+perlDreamer	and translating old products (asset based and commerce based) to the new Sku based product	20:32
+perlDreamer	plus testing, I wrote the Shipping drivers, the tax system and some other small things	20:33
+perlmonkey2	khenn: just want to verify this is you before giving that info out. This is IRC after all.	20:33
@khenn	yes it's me	20:33
@khenn	=)	20:33
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: khenn is who you expect him to be	20:33
+perlDreamer	it's the right IP address and username	20:33
+perlmonkey2	heh	20:33
@khenn	pd keeps track of these things!	20:33
dionak	are people posing as other people?	20:34
@khenn	he knows our IPs!!!	20:34
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: knowing my ip. That scares me.	20:34
+perlDreamer	plus, I have a backup	20:34
+perlDreamer	khenn: which SQL query did you and I disagree over in the In/Out board?	20:34
@khenn	heh I don't remember	20:35
@khenn	what was that, a year ago or more?	20:36
+perlDreamer	three	20:36
+perlDreamer	I'm surprised y'all have kept me around that long :)	20:37
+perlDreamer	dionak: there's no one posing as other people so far	20:37
+perlDreamer	although someone named BugCrusherMcgirk has tried to impersonate rizen a few times	20:38
dionak	so far... :)	20:38
+perlDreamer	and people have tried to come back and be beligerent using other aliases	20:39
+perlDreamer	iPhoneGuy == maxScience	20:39
+perlDreamer	and some other alias, too, iirc	20:39
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dionak	lol!	20:41
+perlDreamer	he's back!	20:41
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+perlDreamer	BugSlasherMcGurk: I don't see any better way to convert Commerce products into Sku products than instancing them one by one. It's going to be slow.	20:43
@BugSlasherMcGurk	which side are you instanciating?	20:44
+perlDreamer	Commerce	20:44
@BugSlasherMcGurk	you can instanciate the new sku, but noth the other sides	20:44
@BugSlasherMcGurk	here's the reason	20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurk	the upgrade will run once per site	20:45
+perlDreamer	oh crap	20:45
+perlDreamer	okay	20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurk	and in one of those upgrade the commerce files will be deleted	20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurk	then the subsequent ones won't work	20:45
+perlDreamer	okay, back to the drawing board (SQL) then	20:46
@BugSlasherMcGurk	sorry man	20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurk	for the record, i don't mind slow	20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurk	just can't have break	20:47
+perlDreamer	indeed	20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurk	10 points who can tell me who Slasher McGurk is without looking on google or any other site	20:47
+perlDreamer	I'll just blame you for my faulty thinking, due to the bacterial infection you sent me.	20:47
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@rizen	i said i was sorry about that	20:48
@rizen	my assistant screwed up the order	20:48
+perlDreamer	I get less forgiving when I'm sick	20:48
@rizen	i haven't gotten anything good done on shop in the past two because i've been up at night nursing sick servers	20:50
+perlDreamer	uh oh	20:50
@rizen	there are at least 2 servers that are not on my christmas card list anymore	20:50
+perlDreamer	hardware problems?	20:50
@rizen	preaction is right there with me...i don't know how he's still awake	20:50
@rizen	=)	20:50
@rizen	software problems	20:50
@rizen	that are being really hard to diagnose	20:50
@preaction	caffiene pill every morning, i'll probably end up crashing around 5:00p	20:51
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease write beautiful perl code	21:15
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elnino	rizen - I wasn't able to get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others. Thank you for your time. Much appreciated.	21:36
elnino	no underlying apology and I didn't take anything personally =) thanks though. I know he's always working on webgui to make it even better and I totally understand that you guys have to keep focused on higher priority RFEs and bug reports. I just wish people would use webgui more, it seems it's more popular in england, why would that be? you're based in WI, right?	21:53
+perlDreamer	I'm basedin Portland, Oregon. The Plain Black staff are based out of Wisconsin.	21:53
@apeiron	... mostly	21:54
+perlDreamer	mostly?	21:54
+perlDreamer	well, Steve is in Texas	21:54
@apeiron	<-- Pennsylvania	21:54
+perlDreamer	Pennsylvania?	21:54
@apeiron	Aye.	21:54
+perlDreamer	Tavis is in Michigan?	21:55
elnino	<-- Minnesota (hiring?)	21:56
+perlDreamer	hiring?	21:56
elnino	[are you] hiring? =)	21:57
+perlDreamer	I wish	21:57
+perlDreamer	Plain Black does have a request open for a programmer.	21:57
+perlDreamer	It's on their site	21:58
@rizen	elnino	21:58
@rizen	http://beta.webgui.org/demo1210186440_29/foo	21:58
@khenn	yeah PD, when are you finally going to turn us into $dayJob? =p	21:59
@rizen	i built the example i was telling you about	21:59
@rizen	we can't hire perlDreamer	21:59
@rizen	he doesn't live in Wisconsin	21:59
@rizen	remember, we're firing everyone not from wisconsin	21:59
@rizen	=)	21:59
@apeiron	wait, wait	22:00
elnino	hmm. I'm SO close to quiting my job. nice people, but....	22:00
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@apeiron	khenn, You're from Illinois right?	22:00
@khenn	no	22:00
@khenn	wisconsin	22:00
@apeiron	Oh, thought you'd moved.	22:00
@rizen	he was born in wisconsin	22:00
@rizen	lived all over	22:00
@rizen	and came back to wisconsin	22:00
@rizen	to die	22:00
@rizen	=)	22:00
@khenn	I lived in Illinois until I came to work for JT the slave driver	22:00
@rizen	cuz frank is so OOOLD	22:01
@rizen	he has gray hair	22:01
+perlDreamer	I'm older than all of you, so be careful	22:01
@khenn	not at the moment I don't =p	22:01
+perlDreamer	and mind your elders	22:01
@rizen	and his whole body is covered in wrinkles and liver spots	22:01
@rizen	at least that's what his wife tells me	22:01
elnino	rizen: You set it up exactly like I originally did. From what I can tell your example has the url of the image was foo/bar/images/this.jpg. I must have had something else going on. No worries about this, I'm going back to do it the way I should have done it the first time around.	22:02
@rizen	no	22:02
@rizen	my image is foo/images/this.jpg	22:02
@rizen	no bar	22:02
@rizen	elnino	22:03
@rizen	feel free to log in and play around	22:03
@rizen	i set that beta site up for you	22:03
elnino	oh good grief. I get it..	22:03
@rizen	it will last for 24 hours	22:03
elnino	Thank you.... no need....	22:03
* rizen things elnino should come to the WUC		22:04
@rizen	s/thing/think/	22:04
+perlDreamer	indeed	22:04
+perlDreamer	I think she said she applied to come	22:04
elnino	I'm working on it... boss never replied.	22:04
+perlDreamer	bosses	22:04
elnino	still looking for money I guess.	22:04
+perlDreamer	did you find a babysitter?	22:04
@rizen	do you work at U of M ?	22:04
elnino	rizen: not to beat a dead horse, but your initial example said: foo/bar/this.jpg	22:05
elnino	=)	22:05
@rizen	sue me	22:05
elnino	We found a daycare center that would be willing to do only a week.	22:05
@rizen	i was in a hurry	22:05
@rizen	and you get what you pay for =)	22:05
elnino	obviously.... nope, I dont' work at the UofM. Small manufacturing.	22:06
elnino	company.	22:06
@rizen	i hear that U of M law department is setting up a WebGUI user group	22:06
@rizen	email tavis@plainblack.com if you'd like to be introduced to them	22:06
elnino	computer manufacturing.	22:07
elnino	thanks for the headsup on UofM.	22:08
elnino	rizen: works like a charm, thanks for being patient. You can certainly close and delte my RFE. =) I was seriously having a brain fart.	22:12
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+perlDreamer	rizen: commerce conversion 95% done. I just need to build a short description for the variants.	22:17
+perlDreamer	after lunch	22:17
@rizen	nice doood	22:22
@rizen	wish i could say the same for the rest of the shop	22:22
@rizen	oh crap..i'm late. gotta go	22:22
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jua1	i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to WebGUI?	22:40
+perlDreamer	each user's authentication method can be set in 1 of 2 ways	22:44
+perlDreamer	1) From the Users screen in the Admin console	22:44
+perlDreamer	2) Doing it manually in the db	22:44
+perlDreamer	but you'll need to transfer their password over to the webgui db	22:44
jua1	in the admin console, i have changed it to webgui	22:45
jua1	i am checking in the users table and all of them have ldap authentication	22:46
jua1	if i alter the table to WebGUI, have to transfer their password from ldap to webgui?	22:48
+perlDreamer	yes	22:48
jua1	if a user has ldap authentication the password is always in ldap, webgui doesn't syncronize the password	22:50
+perlDreamer	I believe that to be true. You can always check the table called authentication to check that.	22:51
jua1	ok	22:52
jua1	if in the table authentication is the password, the only thing that i need to do is alter the table users	22:52
@preaction	jua1, no, the authentication table has a particular setup that will require you to edit it.	22:53
jua1	yes, i am checking	22:55
jua1	thanks	22:55
jua1	is more easy to delete all of them and create again using the userimport.pl	22:59
jua1	can i do that, if i have the users associated to groups?	23:07
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): add more help about shortdesc length, and use the correct form option to set the length to 30 chars	23:40
+perlDreamer	yay! Commerce conversion done!	23:50
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lisette	i do a UserImport with the userImport.pl but i forget put the parameter allowChangePass, i need allow to user to change the password, how to do this?	00:05
+perlDreamer	you could redo the userImport	00:06
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6335 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: conversion of Commerce products to Sku products done	00:06
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6336 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: clean up the old Commerce tables, and close a statement handle	00:06
+perlDreamer	otherwise, the data is stored in the authentication table;	00:07
+perlDreamer	update authentication set fieldData=1 where fieldName='changePassword';	00:09
lisette	thanks	00:09
+perlDreamer	note that that does it for all users	00:09
lisette	yes	00:09
+perlDreamer	good night, preaction	00:20
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Doc777	Question: I have a flashchat php app installed in a passthrough at ct/flashchat.php. It works great calling it by url. When I try and add this in a http proxy it attached http:// to the link and therefore breaks it. Is there a work around for something like this?	00:29
+perlDreamer	Doc777: Use the complete url, including the sitename	00:29
+perlDreamer	of course, one could ask why you'd want to proxy a piece of webgui back into WebGUI	00:30
Doc777	This is on a vserver which local address is not the same as the DNS address. It uses NAT so not that easy. The reason I am trying to do this is that flashchat is a php app that does not run in webgui? At least I cannot seem to make it do so... So I added a passthru to allow it to run on its on and would like to include it in a page....	00:31
+perlDreamer	ah, good point	00:32
Doc777	Pulling up the flashchat.php works great.... But I would love to integrate it into the site.	00:32
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lisette	as I do a load of users with userImport.pl with e-mail each user?	00:39
+perlDreamer	it will not send email to the users as you do a new userImport	00:41
lisette	no	00:41
lisette	i need register the user with the e-mail, but the e-mail isn't part of the information of user, is the profile	00:42
+perlDreamer	you can add userProfile fields to the data that you send to userImport.pl	00:42
lisette	like a column?	00:43
+perlDreamer	"In addition to the field names above, you may use any valid profile field name."	00:43
+perlDreamer	yes	00:43
lisette	thanks	00:43
+perlDreamer	name the column the same as the userProfile field	00:43
lisette	i try insert a email with point example: david.algo@algo.com, and this field don't save, why?	00:45
@preaction	anyone else having trouble committing content on latest SVN?	00:45
+perlDreamer	preaction: since I think I committed the latest SVN, I would say no	00:46
+perlDreamer	but I'll try again	00:46
+perlDreamer	just committed 6337	00:46
@preaction	so spectre and committing version tags worked fine?	00:47
lisette	i do this by the administrator console	00:47
+perlDreamer	haven't tried that	00:47
+perlDreamer	preaction: manual commit or autocommit?	00:47
@preaction	auto, as default	00:48
@preaction	if the problem is what i think it is, though, it shouldn't matter	00:48
+perlDreamer	edited the Welcome article	00:49
+perlDreamer	content was accepted	00:49
+perlDreamer	no version tag showing	00:49
+perlDreamer	(in the adminBar)	00:49
+perlDreamer	no lock icon in the edit bar	00:50
+perlDreamer	what should I be looking for/attempting to do exactly?	00:50
+perlDreamer	and I'm fully up to date, with the exception of the shelf icons from Steve today	00:50
@preaction	i'm seeing it get committed, and then the activity seems to return "undefined", which causes problems	00:51
+perlDreamer	with autocommit, do you need to have spectre actually running?	00:52
* perlDreamer begins to feel foolish		00:52
@preaction	yes	00:52
@preaction	there's a new twist: there are no realtime workflows anymore	00:52
@preaction	all workflows are assumed to be realtime until they take too long, then they're handed off to spectre	00:53
@preaction	i don't know how that works, but that's what happens	00:53
+perlDreamer	I'll start spectre, and try again	00:53
+perlDreamer	what direct symptom am I looking for?	00:53
@preaction	i don't know how activities are supposed to handle running for 10 seconds, getting stopped, and then starting again when spectre gets to them, but that's what happens	00:53
@preaction	your content doesn't show up	00:53
+perlDreamer	okay, spectre up	00:54
@preaction	the log file, in INFO mode, shows 4 lines: Trying to execute, Completed Activity for Workflow, Could not complete workflow instance in real time, and then Something bad happened	00:54
+perlDreamer	that's not what I got	00:55
+perlDreamer	I got my content, and this in the WebGUI.log file	00:55
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6337 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: prep code for removing the Product macro from webgui.conf file	00:55
@preaction	then it's something over here	00:55
+perlDreamer	2008/05/07 14:47:03 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mywebgui.conf at http://mywebgui.localdomain:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData. Response: 500 read timeout	00:55
@preaction	that's a problem, but not the same problem	00:55
@preaction	it would hide the problem i'm seeing though	00:55
@preaction	also, now there's a problem in the upgrade script. a misspelling of a table name i think	00:56
@preaction	DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown table 'productparameteroptionss' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.	00:56
+perlDreamer	that sounds like something I wrote	00:57
+perlDreamer	are you up to date?	00:57
@preaction	yes	00:57
+perlDreamer	hm	00:57
+perlDreamer	a table by that name exists, with camel case	00:58
+perlDreamer	instead of all lower case	00:59
+perlDreamer	and one fewer s	00:59
@preaction	the extra S at the end perhaps?	00:59
+perlDreamer	argh	01:00
+perlDreamer	sorry, man	01:00
@preaction	np	01:00
@preaction	i still have the other issue probably	01:00
+perlDreamer	I'll figure out why spectre can't talk to my site	01:01
+perlDreamer	and maybe I'll be able to duplicate your problem	01:01
+perlDreamer	committed a fix for that typo	01:02
+perlDreamer	okay, weird	01:04
+perlDreamer	spectre --test says everything is okay	01:04
@preaction	weird indeed	01:05
+perlDreamer	WebGUI's spectre screen says everything is okay	01:05
+perlDreamer	but webgui.log is filling up with 2008/05/07 14:53:59 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of mywebgui.localdomain - 5uhHUs8Xqsl2YHe6P5M6KA. <HTML>	01:05
@preaction	i think i figured out my problem, i was setting a defaultVersionTagWorkflow that doesn't exist anymore	01:06
@preaction	but i'm testing	01:06
@preaction	did you restart spectre too?	01:06
+perlDreamer	I'm rebuilding the site from scratch to make sure the script works right	01:06
+perlDreamer	and translating the commerce takes a while	01:06
+perlDreamer	3-4 minutes for 838 products	01:06
+perlDreamer	Tiffany was kind enough to donate some real-life product data for me to test converting	01:07
@preaction	nice	01:08
@preaction	nevermind though, it's working now	01:08
+perlDreamer	oh, good	01:08
+perlDreamer	want to fix my site next?	01:08
+perlDreamer	=)	01:08
@preaction	$50	01:10
@apeiron	opera-- # apparently completely valid XHTML Strict 1.0 isn't good enough for it	01:11
+perlDreamer	mine seems to be working now as well	01:13
+perlDreamer	why isn't my computer smart enough to know that "ate" really means "date"?	01:14
+perlDreamer	lisette: about your earlier email address problem. Could you please repeat what's going on?	01:15
jua1	perlDreamer, lisette is not in the office now but i know the problem	01:20
+perlDreamer	okay	01:20
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6338 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix a typo in the name of a Commerce table to be dropped	01:20
jua1	the problem is, i want to add a user in the admin console and my username name is like juan.gallego and the email will be juan.gallego@algo.com	01:21
+perlDreamer	okay, and it's not working?	01:22
jua1	yes	01:22
+perlDreamer	it could be 1 of 2 problems	01:22
+perlDreamer	1) emails are required to be unique, so someone else may have that email	01:22
jua1	then i try to edit the profile and the email doesn't exist	01:23
+perlDreamer	2) more likely, there is a bug in the email validation code that is rejecting the email address	01:23
jua1	i am going to check in the database	01:24
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/email-field-not-accepting-addresses-with-periods-in-them#BL40GDFp4xSv6D3OEwz7iQ	01:25
+perlDreamer	Haarg: has the "dot in email address" fix been ported to 7.5?	01:26
@Haarg	i believe so	01:26
@Haarg	hmm	01:27
@Haarg	doesn't look like it	01:27
+perlDreamer	jua1: this bug was fixed in WebGUI 7.4.34	01:27
jua1	ok	01:27
+perlDreamer	are you using 7.4, or 7.5?	01:27
+perlDreamer	becuase the next 7.5 fix won't be out for 3 more weeks	01:28
jua1	7.4.32	01:28
+perlDreamer	okay, I would recommend upgrading, then	01:28
jua1	ok	01:28
jua1	thanks	01:28
+perlDreamer	Don't thank me yet, we don't know for sure that it will fix your problem	01:29
+perlDreamer	Pero yo espero que si	01:29
jua1	eso espero	01:30
jua1	que si	01:30
+perlDreamer	thank you	01:30
+perlDreamer	jau1: in that sentence, is "espero" a noun or a verb?	01:37
jua1	el verbo es esperar	01:42
jua1	en la setencia es un noun	01:44
jua1	when I am saying espero is in that setence is because i have a certain security that the upgrade can correct the errors	01:44
+perlDreamer	I understand. You weren't correcting what I was saying.	01:44
jua1	instead of the verb esperar that is the time while the upgrade is executed	01:45
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6339 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Form/Email.t: back port additional email address tests	01:48
jua1	is clear?	01:48
+perlDreamer	I think so	01:49
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Doc777	Anyone know how I can remove the site name text off the top of the site? I have my own graphic there but the site name text displays over the top ;)	02:08
+perlDreamer	Doc777: that would be in your style template	02:09
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6340 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: begin documenting the Product changes in the gotchas.txt file	02:09
Doc777	Thank you. Digging through that but does not seem to be there, at least that I can find... Maybe it is obfusacated ;)	02:10
@preaction	it's the ^c; macro, the CompanyName macro	02:10
Doc777	Something like this one: <h1>^H(^c(););</h1> ?	02:11
Doc777	Yep, I would have never guessed that was the site name ;)	02:12
@preaction	probably	02:12
@preaction	^H; for the home page link, ^c; for the company name	02:12
+perlDreamer	Doc777: You can find out what macros mean in your website by using the Help system	02:12
+perlDreamer	Go to the Help icon in the admin console	02:12
+perlDreamer	and choose List of macros	02:12
+perlDreamer	it will tell you the name and shortcut for all macros on your site	02:13
Doc777	Aye but what stumped me was looking for the site name in a lot of code. When actually I was looking for ^c.	02:13
+perlDreamer	preaction: I need to talk through an idea. Do you have 5-10 minutes?	02:16
@preaction	sure	02:16
+perlDreamer	so I'm working on the C2 update	02:16
+perlDreamer	In C2, instead of the Product macro, you use the AssetProxy macro instead	02:16
@preaction	ok	02:17
@preaction	I thought Skus were assets now, do we need AssetProxy at all?	02:17
+perlDreamer	yes	02:17
+perlDreamer	all existing Commerce products are dropped into a folder off of root	02:17
+perlDreamer	and during the conversion, assets that use them (article, snippet, layout and template) need to be converted to use the AssetProxy macro instead	02:18
@preaction	so assetproxy is just needed as a conversion, in the future we won't really NEED it	02:18
@preaction	but okay	02:18
+perlDreamer	yes	02:18
+perlDreamer	if you want to display the same product on two pages, you still need AssetProxy	02:19
+perlDreamer	but really, you should be using Shelf	02:19
+perlDreamer	so during the upgrade, we don't shut down all the WebGUI commerce sites in the world :)	02:19
+perlDreamer	So I need to go through that list of assets	02:19
+perlDreamer	and it would be really easy to do it in the db	02:19
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+perlDreamer	but I'm wondering if it would be better to do through the API	02:20
+perlDreamer	and actually register a version change	02:20
@preaction	but if they rolled back the version, their asset would break	02:20
@preaction	it wouldn't work as they expected it to	02:20
+perlDreamer	yes, since it would go back to using the Product macro	02:21
+perlDreamer	so you think it would be better to update all revisions of the asset, using the db?	02:21
@preaction	i think it would be faster, easier, and work just as well	02:22
+perlDreamer	it would also allow all the wobjects to be handled in one fell swoop	02:23
+perlDreamer	okay, db it is	02:23
+perlDreamer	thanks, preaction	02:24
@preaction	np	02:24
+perlDreamer	I wish you and rizen lots of luck with your recalcitrant servers	02:24
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@preaction	i'm currently coming up with a method to send bolts of electricity over TCP/IP	02:25
+perlDreamer	I'd recommend using POE instead	02:26
+perlDreamer	much safer	02:26
+perlDreamer	although somewhat limited in quantity of power	02:26
+perlDreamer	how much electricity are we talking about here?	02:26
@preaction	enough to shut the system up	02:26
@preaction	make it think long and hard about what it did	02:26
+perlDreamer	I see, you want a voltage paddle	02:26
@preaction	enough so that it does not do it again	02:27
+perlDreamer	send it to its room for a timeout?	02:27
@preaction	call it spareNotTheRod.pl	02:27
@preaction	or just TheRod	02:27
+perlDreamer	if we could get a lot of cats, wearing wool socks walking across a carpet...	02:28
+perlDreamer	It's pretty hard, but not impossible to do, with servers on UPSes	02:30
+perlDreamer	the UPSes also act as surge suppressors (big caps)	02:31
+perlDreamer	you'd need to do it right at the machine	02:31
@preaction	that's why we'd have to go in through the network cables	02:31
@preaction	they'd never suspect it	02:31
+perlDreamer	the network cables are only good for maybe 10W	02:31
+perlDreamer	the server would laugh at that	02:31
@preaction	damn...	02:32
@preaction	can't spank it and not mean it, it'll get even more unruly...	02:32
+perlDreamer	yeah	02:32
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cap10morgan	perlDreamer: thanks for the congrats last night :) didn't see it until this morning.	03:51
+Radix-wrk	nice interview cap10morgan - but i have to ask.. why pose with a barbie basketball? :)	03:59
cap10morgan	Radix-wrk: because it's there?	03:59
+Radix-wrk	it looks like you're showing it off ;)	04:00
+Radix-wrk	congrats on the nomination tho :)	04:00
cap10morgan	oh, i am ;)	04:03
cap10morgan	thanks!	04:03
+Radix-wrk	heh	04:03
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+perlDreamer	cap10morgan: you're welcome. Keep up the good work!	04:17
cap10morgan	thanks! :)	04:18
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+perlDreamer	and there's 2/3 of the Product macro conversion done	05:04
+perlDreamer	man I'm getting tired	05:04
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6341 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs):	05:10
CIA-6	WebGUI: Update all Wobjects, and snippets from using the Product	05:10
CIA-6	WebGUI: Macro to using AssetProxy. The loadProductAsset.pl script is	05:10
CIA-6	WebGUI: for testing the conversion.	05:10
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+perlDreamer	yo, khenn	06:01
@khenn	what's up dreamer?	06:02
+perlDreamer	have you applied/checked my patch yet?	06:02
@khenn	sent it off to the client. No word yet	06:02
@khenn	I assume all is well	06:02
+perlDreamer	I tested it, but it's always nice to have other experienced eyes	06:02
@khenn	we'll follow up at some point this week	06:02
+perlDreamer	cool	06:02
+perlDreamer	so what's keeping you busy nowadays?	06:03
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6342 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add templates to the mix. Product macro template scan and update done	06:35
pilaf153	To run a cascading menu that is a mouseover do you have to use java or are there macros or packages out there that can do this?	06:37
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+perlDreamer	pilaf153: I'd recommend looking at the existing Navigation templates, and the Add Ons section at webgui.org	06:42
pilaf153	I have been looking through them but cant seem to find one that does what I need. I will keep looking though.	06:44
+perlDreamer	I haven't looked into this for a while, but I seem to remember that Cool Menus will do that.	06:48
+perlDreamer	yeah, Cool Menu is the one	06:49
pilaf153	that is one that already exists in the install? I am positive I tried all of them.	06:49
+perlDreamer	Yes, it's in the install	06:50
+perlDreamer	I've tried it out in the Demo site	06:50
pilaf153	I will check it again does it need any modification	06:50
+perlDreamer	http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1210215898_777/site_map/site_map2	06:50
+perlDreamer	it needs to be customized for your style	06:50
+perlDreamer	the one I have is just the default	06:50
+perlDreamer	It's the big green "Home" box in the middle of the banner	06:51
pilaf153	ok	06:51
pilaf153	ok I wll play with it and see if I can make it work. Thanks for the info	06:53
+perlDreamer	this add on may be of interest as well: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/accordianstyle-menu-using-jquery--v7_4_30-#jcL74yZTdMuc7SYgvc_j-Q	06:54
pilaf153	yeah I tried installing this in the latest version and it wasnt wokring	06:55
+perlDreamer	which latest? 7.5 or 7.4?	06:55
pilaf153	7.5	06:57
+perlDreamer	topsub seems to be good about taking care of his add ons	06:57
+perlDreamer	I wouldn't doubt he'll be looking at it soon	06:58
+perlDreamer	you _could_ come back tomorrow during the day (East code American time) and ask him in the channel	06:58
pilaf153	cool	06:58
pilaf153	thanks for all the help. I am out for now	06:59
+perlDreamer	you're welcome	06:59
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SDuensin	Morning	16:38
BartJo3	good afternoon gentlemen	16:42
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+perlmonkey2	good afternoon.	16:44
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CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6343 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added randomize answers functionality (how was this missing?)	17:04
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SquOnk	Hi everyone	17:09
BartJo2	hi	17:09
SquOnk	rizen: You there?	17:11
@rizen	no	17:12
SquOnk	Heh	17:12
SquOnk	rizen: Just to let you know... My sponsor has given the A-OK to the webgui package...	17:12
@rizen	wahoo!!!!	17:12
@rizen	So this will be going into Lenny for sure then?	17:12
SquOnk	rizen: ...I just got mail from the debian-volatile team. They coordinate the way upgrades are handled for packages such as webgui	17:12
SquOnk	rizen: Yes. Target is Lenny and it will be there.	17:13
@rizen	WAHOOOO!!!!	17:13
SquOnk	rizen: I expect an upload over this weekend.	17:13
@rizen	you rule SquOnk	17:13
SquOnk	rizen: Debian Rules	17:13
SquOnk	rizen: Have you tested webgui with Perl 5.10?	17:14
@rizen	no not yet...spending all my time trying to finish up WebGUI 7.5	17:14
SquOnk	rizen: All right.	17:14
@rizen	after that comes out i'll start playing with Perl 5.10	17:14
SquOnk	rizen: Lenny will have Perl 5.10	17:14
@rizen	so i better test then	17:15
@rizen	=)	17:15
SquOnk	rizen: I can tell you the upgrade scripts work since I've just tested them.	17:15
@rizen	i don't think there will be a problem	17:15
SquOnk	rizen: Me neither, but one has to trust but verify	17:15
@rizen	certainly	17:15
SquOnk	http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png	17:17
@rizen	hehe	17:19
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CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6344 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (editsurvey/section.js survey.css administersurvey.js): Added IE7 compat in administersurvey.js for class changes.	17:54
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+perlmonkey2	khenn: What did you think? The editor is still rough around the edges for sure. The options should be more contextualized and the layout cleaned up. But the administration of the survey is coming along nicely I think.	18:53
+perlmonkey2	dang perlDreamer's day job.	18:59
+perlmonkey2	doens't he know he needs to be available here 24/7? I need his pager number :P	18:59
@rizen	so do i	19:00
@rizen	unfortunately he makes about 1 billion dollars per second in his day job	19:00
@rizen	if i could afford him, i would have hired him already, just so he's always available to everyone	19:01
@rizen	=)	19:01
+perlmonkey2	can't you bribe him with cherry referrals to his consulting biz?	19:01
+perlmonkey2	maybe an unlimited supply of gooey dolls?	19:02
@rizen	i've tried everything	19:02
@rizen	i even tried threatening to withhold gooey dolls	19:04
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@preaction_	perlbot botsnack	19:37
perlbot	I'm not your prank monkey	19:37
Doc777	Anyone able to tell me what I am missing. When uploading a picture to the "Gallery" the thumbnail is not created. And this is logged: "Exception 420: no decode delegate for this image format" .jpg	19:38
lisette	Doc77: Where is your question about this?	19:40
Doc777	Hrm, well I would like to upload a .jpg picture and have it create the thumbname I guess... It says no decode delate.	19:42
@preaction_	sounds like Image magick or graphics magick isn't installed correctly, or you're not actually uploading a jpg	19:43
Doc777	Its a .jpg for sure. so maybe something up with Image Magick.	19:45
+perlmonkey2	rizen: if you have a sec (or anyone else with a thought on the matter), I've been pondering how and if JSON serialization of the survey objects (not the results) would work. I'm thinking a single column in the survey table which would contain the serialized survey object, which contains sections->question groups->questions->answers. The only problem I see is having class instances serialize/deserialize themselves.	19:53
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+perlDreamer	whoa	20:14
+perlDreamer	major attendance of PB folk	20:14
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: I'm here now.	20:16
@khenn	is yung around?	20:17
@khenn	perlmonkey2: Haven't had a chance to take a look yet. I plan on doing it shortly though	20:17
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: what do you think of a single column to contain the entire survey? A serialized data structure of a survey->sections->question groups->answers with objects which know how to handling their own serialization. Then the entire survey can be loaded once, used as needed, then serialized and stored if changes were made?	20:19
+perlmonkey2	I'm guessing (but not by much), that deserealization and loading the data into objects will take a lot less time than 20ms, the minimum time I can make a simple DB all in.	20:20
+perlmonkey2	So it is easier to use the data, and much faster overall.	20:20
+perlDreamer	weren't you saying the other day that a large, monolithic structure wouldn't work because you could whip out a 500 MB survey file and fill all the available physical memory of the server?	20:21
+perlmonkey2	well, that	20:21
+perlmonkey2	's if it included the results. But that woudul be silly	20:22
+perlDreamer	oh, I see	20:22
+perlmonkey2	or at least that's what perlDreamer told me about 5 times :P	20:22
+perlDreamer	answers are available choices	20:22
+perlDreamer	not responses	20:22
+perlmonkey2	yes	20:22
+perlDreamer	well, in that case	20:22
+perlDreamer	I have no idea, I'll have to think about it further.	20:22
+perlmonkey2	a response is an instance of a taken survey, a question response is a response toa question, etc.	20:22
+perlmonkey2	But the only drawback is loading the entire survey into memory upon every call. And if size became an issue, compressing the text wouldn't be hard to add? I mean since it is searlized in the DB, what does it matter if the text is compressed? And all these functions are magnitudes faster than DB calls.	20:23
+perlDreamer	I don't think you'd need in memory compression of the data	20:24
+perlmonkey2	well, just thinking if someone writes a 10,000 very wordy set of questions, it might be necessary.	20:25
+perlDreamer	IMO (read that as the following set of bytes are of low value) that's a performance barrier to cross when we reach it	20:27
+perlmonkey2	but compression is just sexy :P but I agree. It would be far easier to just have a cap on survey sizes and if they need bigger, just create a second survey which the first redirects to on completion and the user won't notice anything except one of the pages required a reload (which on a fast connection they might not even notice).	20:28
+perlDreamer	agree about sexiness, worried about May 31 being only 22 days and 12 hours away :)	20:29
+perlmonkey2	bah, I've learned so much, I can rewrite this thing, with the 3x as many requirements, in a week. :P	20:30
+perlDreamer	Deal!	20:30
+perlmonkey2	If only I could stop getting emails asking me to tweak templates so that blue bars are wider, thinner, longer, shorter, maybe I could get someting done.	20:30
+perlDreamer	you need a perlmonkey3 who is in charge of UI customization	20:31
+perlmonkey2	I have one, but he's slightly more worthless than perlmonkey2	20:32
+perlmonkey2	He's actually supposed to be doing the template customizations, but they don't ever get done, so I'm doing them.	20:32
+perlDreamer	one small word of advice from someone who is old	20:32
+perlmonkey2	I have no idea what he did the last 48 hours he had to do this long list of visual changes, but it wasn't doing the visual changes.	20:32
+perlDreamer	While it is good that projects meet deadlines, sometimes it is better that they fail so that issues can be escalated.	20:33
* perlDreamer takes off his yoda robe now :)		20:33
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Doc777	When trying to install Image::Magick it fails with: "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" The only one that locate finds on the system is: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". Is this what it is looking for or a missing library file...	21:49
Doc777	I have already downloaded and installed imagemagick but cpan wants to install Perl::Magick.	21:49
dionak	perlmagick is the perl interface for imagemagick	21:51
dionak	so you would need it if you're using image magick with webgui	21:52
SquOnk	aptitude install perlmagick :-)	21:52
dionak	would that install it in the right place?	21:52
Doc777	That is what I was thinking so was trying to install it. It is searching for MagickCore and the only one on the system is "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". So do I have a missing library?	21:53
dionak	idk. is that what it was looking for, MagickCore.h?	21:54
dionak	if so, maybe it's not in the include path...	21:54
@apeiron	-l indicates a shared library, typically something that ends in .so. .h are C header files, plaintext files containing C source.	21:57
Doc777	cpan: install Perl::Magick = "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore"	21:57
Doc777	Doing a locate -u and locate MagickCore only shows: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h"	21:58
@apeiron	Doc777, Typically you install Perl::Magick with ImageMagick because the two are... fragile, shall we say.	21:58
Doc777	Yep, crashed and burned ;)	21:58
dionak	is graphics magick easier?	21:59
Doc777	Downloaded and installed that to... no errors. But does not work in webgui.	21:59
+perlmonkey2	We promise they won't take over your spaceship?	21:59
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, Correct.	21:59
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lisette	.	22:29
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+perlmonkey2	rizen: the button issue is fixed. But I can't replicated the slider issue in FF or IE7. Perhaps it was caused by the button code failure?	22:34
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@rizen	likely, i'm not seeing it anymore	22:46
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+perlmonkey2	rizen: well, that is a shaky one to view. I would give you access to the testing machine which has the latest (somewhat)stable, but that is at $work, and I can't give access to non-employees.	23:20
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CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6345 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): IE problems apparently resolved, and slider and multi-slider allocate accuracy made bullet-proof.	23:25
CIA-6	WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6346 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: template vars altered	23:25
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knowmad	Hey folks!	23:39
+perlDreamer	howdy, knowmad	23:39
knowmad	hi pd	23:40
knowmad	i've got a metadata question for you this afternoon	23:40
+perlDreamer	bring it on!	23:40
knowmad	is there a way to create HTMLAreas or other form elements as meta data properties?	23:41
+perlDreamer	no	23:41
+perlDreamer	-types=> [ qw /text integer yesNo selectBox radioList checkList/ ]	23:42
+perlDreamer	that's from AssetMetaData.pm	23:42
knowmad	why so limited?	23:42
+perlDreamer	no idea	23:42
+perlDreamer	HTMLAreas are really only special text fields	23:42
knowmad	rizen: why can't i build a metadata property with HTMLArea type?	23:42
@rizen	cuz you can't	23:42
@rizen	how do you like that	23:42
knowmad	that sucks	23:43
@rizen	=)	23:43
@rizen	you can change it if you want	23:43
knowmad	you told me about all these great new goodness in 7.5 data forms and got me excited	23:43
@rizen	there's no technical reason any longer not to support all types	23:43
knowmad	sweet!	23:43
+perlDreamer	so rizen, would a check on dynamicFormCompatible be apropos?	23:43
@rizen	well all dynamic compatible types	23:43
@rizen	see svn WebGUI::Form::Control for details	23:44
@rizen	yes	23:44
@rizen	or just using the FieldType and DynamicField controls in conjunction	23:44
knowmad	would it be an RFE to add ability to manage the types of meta data properties available?	23:44
@rizen	with the new form api in 7.5 there's no real limit	23:44
knowmad	i could see where some sites will want only a limited list	23:44
@rizen	i see no reason to do that, but if you want to submit the rfe go ahead	23:45
@rizen	because it's the admin that sets up the metadata fields	23:45
knowmad	that answers my question	23:45
knowmad	but then every site gets the same list if you modify the Metadata module	23:46
knowmad	no way to control it like you can with the SQL Form asset	23:46
@rizen	do you know what you're talking about knowmad?	23:46
@rizen	or are you just spewing	23:46
@rizen	=)	23:47
knowmad	i know what I'm talking about	23:47
knowmad	i think we need to use the Vulcan mindmeld to get it across the ether though	23:47
knowmad	it can wait til the WUC	23:47
knowmad	gives me something to add to my list for you ;)	23:47
@rizen	keep in mind you don't have exclusive access to me at the wuc like you did at GTS	23:48
@rizen	your list needs to be much shorter	23:48
knowmad	i'll let the important ones sort to top	23:49
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@rizen	with data form you're creating multiple forms	23:50
@rizen	with metadata, it's global	23:50
@rizen	to the whole site	23:50
@rizen	only admins set it up	23:50
@rizen	so there's no reason to limit the list	23:50
@rizen	that's what i'm saying	23:50
+perlDreamer	rizen: I'm confused. WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->get('types') != WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->getTypes(), right?	23:51
@rizen	right	23:52
@rizen	you can provide a limit to the FieldType function	23:52
@rizen	to only list the ones you want	23:52
@rizen	by default it lists all dynamic compatible types	23:53
+perlDreamer	how does it build that list by default?	23:53
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@rizen	it checks the isDynamicCompatible() method	23:54
@rizen	on all field types	23:54
+perlDreamer	rizen: I'm too sick and stupid to see how that works right now. But I don't see any code that does that	23:58
+perlDreamer	by default, I think it builds the empty list	23:58
+perlDreamer	and the code in Operation/ProfileSettings will see that	23:59
@rizen	you are sick	23:59
+perlDreamer	muy	23:59
+perlDreamer	mucho	23:59
@rizen	see the getTypes() method in FieldType	23:59
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+perlDreamer	I see that. Operation/ProfileSettings doesn't use that	00:00
@rizen	i didn't say it does	00:00
+perlDreamer	I know. Should it?	00:00
@rizen	yes	00:00
+perlDreamer	okay	00:00
@rizen	and so should metadata, dataform, sqlform, and any other place that uses dynamic field types	00:00
@rizen	currently only the new stuff uses it: ems and thingy	00:01
@rizen	it was written for them	00:01
@rizen	with the intention of being backported to everything else eventually	00:01
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knowmad	OK, now I see the point rizen is making about letting all the data type editors flow into metadata	00:21
knowmad	hey, perlDreamer, sorry to hear you're sick; hope you didn't have what i had last week; I was miserable with flu, fever, sore throat, coughing, congestion, etc.	00:21
+perlDreamer	no, nasal/sinus and eye and low energy	00:22
+perlDreamer	it's something that rizen's friend xander came up with	00:22
knowmad	allergies?	00:22
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6347 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: fix a bug where no data fields where available in the user profile field editor	00:22
+perlDreamer	my allergy medicine isn't helping much	00:22
knowmad	bummer	00:22
+perlDreamer	It seems to be getting better though	00:40
+perlDreamer	and the Sku/Product is close to being done	00:40
+perlDreamer	The Wobject -> Sku Product conversion is done	00:40
+perlDreamer	the Commerce -> Sku Product conversion is done	00:40
+perlDreamer	and the Product macro conversion is done	00:40
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@rizen	you rock pd	00:45
@rizen	oh, and just to be clear about FieldType and getTypes	00:45
@rizen	getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new	00:45
+perlDreamer	it is?	00:46
@rizen	yup	00:46
@rizen	it's not called in new()	00:46
@rizen	but it is	00:46
@rizen	stop being sick	00:46
@rizen	get offline	00:46
@rizen	drink chicken soup	00:46
+perlDreamer	that's a handy trick. How did you make it do that?	00:46
@rizen	get some sleep	00:46
+perlDreamer	I'm actually at work today	00:47
@rizen	it's called in toHtml()	00:47
@rizen	cuz whether you leave it empty or you specify types	00:48
@rizen	getTypes() is called	00:48
@rizen	getTypes() is what gives the human readable names to all the types	00:48
+perlDreamer	I think I understand garbled crap now	00:49
+perlDreamer	grabled crap is english with the emphasis and punctuation removed	00:49
+perlDreamer	(14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new	00:50
+perlDreamer	that means that getTypes is called when new is called	00:50
+perlDreamer	but you actuall meant this	00:50
+perlDreamer	(14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically, if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new	00:50
@rizen	you are starting to understand the basics of garbled crap	00:51
@rizen	=)	00:51
@rizen	gp,yo,d hstn;rf vts[ ;ppd ;olr yjod yjpihj	00:52
@rizen	translated: sometimes garbled crap looks like this though	00:53
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+perlDreamer	that must be graduate level garbled crap	00:58
@apeiron	nono, that's postdoc garbled crap.	00:59
SquOnk	rizen: The package has just been uploaded to the incoming queue.	01:16
SquOnk	rizen: I will receive a message from DAK (the robot) confirming upload.	01:16
SquOnk	rizen: And then I will either receive an accepting message saying that the package will make it into Sid shortly, or a refusing message stating whatever things need to be fixed.	01:17
SquOnk	rizen: If anything needs to be fixed, it will not be packaging form but rather licensing issues that I might have overlooked.	01:17
SquOnk	rizen: In the latter case, I'll be here asking for help :-)	01:18
@rizen	thanks for the update squ0nk	01:19
@rizen	oh...can you please have a look at plainblack.com/tbb	01:19
@rizen	someone asked a question of you out there	01:19
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SquOnk	rizen: I guess he understood that I was maintaining webgui packages IN Debian :-) I was maintaining MY OWN Debian packages.	01:26
SquOnk	rizen: There were several attempts at packaging WebGUI in Debian but for some reason it never took.	01:26
@rizen	could you reply to him and say that please	01:27
SquOnk	rizen: Sure. I'll do it later from home. I've got to go now.	01:27
@rizen	yeah, i wasn't trying to say that you were doing it in debian all these years. if you were, then there would be no reason to do this blog post and be all excited about it today	01:27
@rizen	ok bye	01:27
SquOnk	See you tomorrow	01:28
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@rizen	does anybody know how to lock a column in open office so that when you scroll right the one colum stays in position while the others move	05:09
@rizen	i think it's called a pivot table in ms excel	05:09
+perlmonkey2	rizen you mean something like in window where you split the screen on a column?	05:19
@rizen	i guess so	05:19
@rizen	i think it was all one window though when i saw it last	05:20
+perlmonkey2	I'm not sure if that's what you want, but it should emulate it.	05:20
@rizen	ii don't do advanced spreadsheet stuff all that often though so i don't really know how to ask for it	05:20
@rizen	so how do i do it?	05:20
@rizen	do you know?	05:20
+perlmonkey2	I think you just select the column you want to keep in view and then Window->split and then the window is split and you can scroll either window.	05:21
@rizen	hmm that doesn't seem to be working for me	05:22
+perlmonkey2	I once wrote a little app in Calc for figuring out arbitrages for N number of bets, but that was the limit of my "advanced" spreadsheet usage.	05:22
+perlmonkey2	Doesn't devide into two windows?	05:23
+perlmonkey2	s/devide/divide/	05:23
@rizen	i have a spreadsheet that fits across 15 sheets that i use for forecasting pb budgets	05:23
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@rizen	it's a big spreadsheet, but not terribly advanced	05:23
+perlmonkey2	oh, ic. Yeah, I'm leading you astray.	05:24
knowmad	rizen: how many columns do you want locked? only A?	05:25
@rizen	yeah A	05:26
knowmad	if so, select column B1 then select Window : Freeze	05:26
@rizen	well and if i can get it, then 1 also	05:26
@rizen	both have labels	05:26
@rizen	and i want to see the labels all the way across	05:26
knowmad	if you want column A and row 1 to always be locked, choose B2 then Window : Freeze	05:26
@rizen	ok	05:26
Doc777	Excuse me, When using a forum is there a way to disable the ratings?	05:27
@rizen	dear god that's awesome	05:27
@rizen	thank you	05:27
knowmad	yw	05:27
@rizen	Doc777, the only way is to remove the ratings from the templates	05:27
@rizen	there's no switch	05:27
@rizen	though that might be a good switch	05:27
Doc777	Fair enough, thanks ;-)	05:27
knowmad	++	05:27
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elnino	not exactly webgui qustion, does anyone know anything about windows-1251 encoding and mysql?	06:46
elnino	maybe I should ask this instead.... Looks like webgui stores it's data as utf-8. Can someone confirm?	06:52
+Radix-wrk	yup, pretty sure it does	06:53
@apeiron	Looking at docs/create.sql, I see lots of CHARSET=utf8	06:54
elnino	good enough for me.. I was given windows-1252 and it was displaying all weird, so I confired it to utf-8 in my browser and stored the source of that page in webgui and it worked great. I'll just tiell my russian friends they need to give me utf-8. Thanks!!!	06:55
@apeiron	well	06:55
@apeiron	You could convert it in Perl.	06:55
elnino	don't go there. I've spent too much time on this... But thanks...	06:55
elnino	=)	06:55
@apeiron	It's really quite simple actually. use Encode qw/encode decode/; my $raw = decode('Windows-1251, $input); my $utf8 = encode('UTF-8, $raw);	06:57
@apeiron	Well, Windows-1252 in your case.	06:57
@apeiron	Although yeah, it would be more maintainable to just get UTF8 from the start. :)	06:58
elnino	Oh. Ok, I'll keep it in mind. I have my fingers crossed that they are ok with utf-8 - don't see why not, it's as standard as one gets...	06:59
@apeiron	Yup. If they're not, Perl can help you. :)	06:59
elnino	If i'm reading this right, your suggestion is to replace what I did with the browser.. it would still be stored in mysql as utf-8, right?	07:00
@apeiron	Not sure what you're saying re the browser.	07:00
@apeiron	My suggestion was to, if needed, using Perl, convert the data from the encoding you're getting to UTF-8.	07:01
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elnino	ok. yep. And I did the same thing using the broswer's encoding settings to do the same thing.	07:02
@apeiron	ah.	07:02
elnino	For a while, I thought you were explaining how to store the data in mysql as different encoding.	07:02
@apeiron	heh, well, if you want to store it as UTF8, you have to convert it to UTF8, yes? :)	07:02
@apeiron	Store it and have it actually stored properly, that is...	07:03
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elnino	YES.	07:03
elnino	I was thrown for a loop as to why they gave me windows-1252.. yuck.	07:03
@apeiron	Ask them. :)	07:03
elnino	we're good. I can get some rest now... nothing is worse than having something unresolved and lying awake thinking about it.	07:04
@apeiron	ick, indeed.	07:04
elnino	Have a great night. THank you for the quick responses!	07:05
@apeiron	heh, no worries. Gnight!	07:05
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+perlDreamer	rizen: art thou present?	07:42
+perlDreamer	I summon thee in the name of CeeToo	07:42
+perlDreamer	(not to be confused with Shek Two)	07:42
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6350 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more work for www_buy, and the add to cart UI	11:21
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aselpilot	Is there any way to imbed an .swf into an article? I attempted to modify the html source but am unable to update it.	14:48
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:43
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dionak	hey all	17:55
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+perlDreamer	I'm stuck in a meeting for 6 hours	18:17
+perlDreamer	much perl will be written :)	18:17
topsub	dang.. thats a long meeting!	18:20
CIA-6	WebGUI: jt * r6351 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: letting users know about new perl modules	18:27
CIA-6	WebGUI: jt * r6352 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: adding another undocumented prereq....doug i'm looking at you!!!!	18:27
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+perlDreamer	rizen: does the product variant select box need a "null" entry, like "Please select an option to add to your cart"?	18:57
@rizen	i think i'd rather it just display the first variant	18:58
+perlDreamer	cool with me	18:58
+perlDreamer	I just want to make sure that the pinstriping is right the first time :)	18:59
SDuensin	This is just too much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZc5th6g	19:02
SDuensin	(Sorry for the link spam.)	19:02
topsub	rizen, i have to disagree, someone could click add to cart without selecting an variant and lead to issues	19:11
topsub	Think a null entry is a very good idea.	19:11
@rizen	topsub: how does it feel to be wrong. i've never been and you look like someone who would know.	19:25
@rizen	man am i funny =)	19:26
topsub	hmmmm	19:27
+perlDreamer	how about this: push @variantOptions, 'Null entry' if $user=='topsub';	19:32
+perlDreamer	either that wasn't funny, or no one noticed that the string 'topsub' is false in a numeric comparison	19:41
+perlDreamer	does anyone remember which module provides the rmtree function?	19:47
@apeiron	File::Path	19:48
@apeiron	I noticed the ==, thought it was a mistake.	19:48
+perlDreamer	thank!	19:48
+perlDreamer	apeiron++	19:48
@apeiron	perlDreamer, The export system and its tests exhibit some of the coolest best practice filesystem modules for Perl. :D	19:49
@apeiron	Path::Class and File::Path. Yum.	19:49
+perlDreamer	I think I've figured out how to make multilingual content in WebGUI today.	19:55
+perlDreamer	It's based on how multilingual is done in Drupal.	19:55
dionak	we'll probably end up adding the 'Please select...' later	19:56
+perlDreamer	RFEs and patches always welcome :)	19:57
+perlDreamer	especially from known good devs/committers	19:57
dionak	noted. thanks. rizen's in a playful mood again today.	19:59
+perlDreamer	afaik, he's been up every night this week with bad servers	19:59
dionak	ugh,	20:00
dionak	so rizen gets more playful the less sleep he's had...	20:01
dionak	he must not get much sleep at all	20:01
bopbop	he	20:15
bopbop	's kind of like a gremlin	20:16
bopbop	funny things happen when he's up after midnight, and if you feed him	20:16
+perlDreamer	and never, ever get him wet!	20:16
dionak	haha	20:16
bopbop	that's right	20:16
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: remove commerce related operations	20:19
+perlDreamer	whoa	20:19
+perlDreamer	CIA-6 is on the ball today	20:19
@apeiron	Or it just happened to poll at the right moment. :)	20:20
+perlDreamer	Let's test it.	20:25
+perlDreamer	committed	20:26
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lisette	how to do to send to each user the username and password to your mail? I need to do a macro?	20:35
+perlDreamer	no, just a little script	20:35
lisette	how?	20:35
+perlDreamer	well, get a list of all userIds from the users table	20:36
+perlDreamer	create a user object for each one	20:36
lisette	yes	20:36
+perlDreamer	oh, wait a sec	20:36
+perlDreamer	WebGUI does not know the user's password	20:36
+perlDreamer	only the hashed password	20:36
lisette	oh, yes	20:37
+perlDreamer	do you have a list of passwords, from a user import?	20:37
lisette	i have the password	20:37
lisette	yes	20:37
+perlDreamer	well, then it is a little more difficult, but still doable	20:37
+perlDreamer	get the list of userIds	20:37
+perlDreamer	and usernames from the db table	20:38
+perlDreamer	get the password from the password list that you have	20:38
+perlDreamer	then use WebGUI's email interface to send the emails	20:38
+perlDreamer	you may want to limit how many emails you send per second, so you don't bury spectre and your SMTP server	20:38
lisette	yes, i know	20:39
lisette	thanks	20:39
+perlDreamer	the email interface is in WebGUI::Inbox	20:40
lisette	doesn't WebGUI::Mail::Send?	20:40
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6354 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: collect all code that deletes files in one place. Do not call it yet	20:41
+perlDreamer	oh, yes. Sorry. My bad. It is WebGUI::Mail::Send	20:42
lisette	thanks.	20:42
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+perlDreamer	heads up everybody: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/colons-invalidate-your-begin-and-end-blocks.html#comments	21:27
+perlDreamer	I found and fixed a bunch of these (that I wrote) in the test suite	21:27
+perlDreamer	the rest of the core is fine	21:27
@rizen	yo mamma	21:32
+perlDreamer	she would have known better	21:34
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6355 /WebGUI/t/ (11 files in 6 dirs): remove colons from END blocks, so they actually act like END blocks	21:37
+perlDreamer	rizen: working with packages for templates sucks	21:41
+perlDreamer	they're not editable with vim anymore	21:41
@rizen	that's what's cool about it	21:43
@rizen	oh, and yes they are editable with vim	21:43
@rizen	all you have to do is extract the package	21:43
@rizen	.wgpkg file is just a tgz file	21:43
@rizen	and inside it's nice friendly editable JSON	21:44
+perlDreamer	okay, but...	21:44
@rizen	there's no buts	21:44
* perlDreamer prefers his JSON hidden behind several layers of perl API		21:44
@rizen	and it is	21:44
@rizen	that layer is called WebGUI	21:44
@rizen	edit the damn templates in webgui like everyone else. =)	21:45
+perlDreamer	eek!	21:45
+perlDreamer	...okay...	21:45
@rizen	eek?	21:45
+perlDreamer	I "eek" when yelled at	21:45
@rizen	why eek?	21:45
@rizen	i yelled?	21:45
@rizen	oh cuz i said damn?	21:45
@rizen	does that mean i'm yelling?	21:45
+perlDreamer	"eek" is better than ~squit~	21:46
@rizen	damn is an adjective for me	21:46
@rizen	i just use it in normal speech	21:46
+perlDreamer	okay	21:46
@rizen	if i was yelling I WOULD TALK LIKE THIS or like this	21:46
@rizen	btw, i'm absolutely sure i've broken that BEGIN: vs BEGIN thing before	21:47
@rizen	maybe not in webgui	21:47
@rizen	but i'm sure i've done it	21:47
+perlDreamer	I know I have	21:47
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+perlmonkey2	/msg rizen if I have issues I'd like to discuss with the contract, whom would I talk to?	21:51
+perlmonkey2	whups	21:51
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: always safer to do AIM :)	21:52
@rizen	pm2, me	21:57
@rizen	if you have a skype account you can call me	21:57
@rizen	plainblackguy	21:57
@rizen	otherwise, we can talk via phone you should have my number from the emails i've sent you in the past	21:58
@rizen	or we can do it via email	21:58
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+perlmonkey2	rizen: I emailed you	22:02
+perlmonkey2	Heh, a single P42.8Ghz w/ 1GB ram and an untuned source install of WebGUI is currently running 50 grad students taking long surveys as fast as they can read and click, and it is actually working just fine.	22:28
* perlmonkey2 is totally amazed.		22:28
ckotil	nice	22:32
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* apeiron has been reading phdcomics.com for a while.		22:46
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, Are you sure they're actually taking the survey and not sleeping at the computer? :D	22:46
+perlmonkey2	apeiron: hah, yes they have finsihed they're finals and the semester is over. But they are being forced, on the last Friday of the year, after all their work is done, to stay in office and complete the same survey over and over.	22:47
@apeiron	ha	22:47
+perlmonkey2	I'm guessing this is the worst thrashing the survey will ever take :P	22:47
+perlmonkey2	the log is scrolling far faster than i could hope to read	22:47
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, You could use WWW::Mech to give it a worse thrashing...	22:48
@apeiron	>:)	22:48
+perlmonkey2	apeiron: would take some work as there is a lot of javascript invovled, so the mech would have to know a lot more logic than just 'fill out this form'	22:49
@apeiron	perlmonkey2, Oh, well, hrmph.	22:49
+perlmonkey2	apeiron: hmm, actually I dno't think it would be that hard.	22:50
+perlmonkey2	id generate will always be unique, or should that be tested for?	23:07
+perlmonkey2	22^80 (or whatever it is) is probably random enough to be unique enough?	23:08
+perlmonkey2	or 80^22 I guess	23:10
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: what do you think of git?	23:53
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: git? I've never used it, but read about it. I guess it has superior branching/merging than svn, so might be superior in that regard.	23:59
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+perlDreamer	are you subscribed to the dev list?	00:00
+perlmonkey2	Nope. Lots of sexy stuff going on there?	00:01
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/subversion-vs-git	00:01
+perlDreamer	recently, yes	00:01
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+perlmonkey2	just read up a bit more on git and remembered what I liked so much. The local repositories that are automagically shared as branches to everyone else. I really dig that idea.	00:06
+perlDreamer	yeah, so if you'd like another dev to check out something you're doing, you don't need a private branch in the main repo	00:06
+perlDreamer	or need to pollute the main repo	00:07
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+perlmonkey2	an emulation of svn and cvs are nice additions if you like your old tools/guis :)	00:08
@tavisto	alright, did everyone do their homework and get 1 major corporation or government agency to start using WebGUI yesterday?	00:10
+perlDreamer	hey, we don't listen to marketing dudes whose name rhymes with mephisto	00:10
+perlmonkey2	Plus, I think it woudl make it easier to branch your own private branches. For instance, if I'm doing something and decide I want to try a radical change. I'd like to have a new branch rather than looking back through the messages and seeing which comment was the radical change so I can revert.	00:10
@tavisto	actually... it's pronounced as if it was spelled tay-vee-sto	00:10
@tavisto	so now you shall listen!	00:11
+perlDreamer	eek!	00:11
@tavisto	I've got 100k in award money for those of you that completed your task (pending a large rockstar was signed)	00:11
+perlmonkey2	Hmm, I have a lot of contacts of web designers who use PHP stuff. But they're targeting small companies who want the $5/month hosters. Probably would be fine for PB's $20/month plan if they learned how powerful (and safe) it is over the PHPnuke-clones.	00:12
@tavisto	that's where the webgui lite comes into play	00:13
@tavisto	or a version of it anyway. I love the fact that we can throw a laundry list of features at small businesses... but back in the day when I was a reseller most never used half of what they thought was cool initially	00:14
+perlDreamer	yeah	00:15
@tavisto	dumbing down WebGUI to Godaddy's Website Tonight would work well for that sector	00:15
+perlDreamer	I was looking at these guys: http://jobs.perl.org/job/8618 and thinking PhotoGallery clients	00:15
@tavisto	wow that's going to be a project.	00:16
+perlDreamer	w e b g u i	00:16
+perlDreamer	it's much better than that old CGI stuff	00:18
@tavisto	yes from the sounds of it, that would be a good match	00:18
@tavisto	could combine new e-commerce w/ photo gallery	00:18
+perlDreamer	oh yeah. C2 would be great with that	00:18
+perlDreamer	maybe y'all should start combing the online perl job sites and sending in quotes for stuff like that	00:19
@tavisto	that's not a bad idea. But you also know that you're eligible to do that as well right?	00:19
+perlDreamer	I don't have enough time to do stuff like that	00:19
+perlDreamer	I'd have to go full time	00:20
+perlDreamer	and without the contracts up front, that's daunting	00:20
+perlDreamer	besides, I give JT all my best ideas	00:20
@tavisto	If you were to connect with a person like that and get them to "see things our way" you'd get a referral bonus	00:20
@tavisto	not much work or time involved in that	00:20
+perlDreamer	true	00:20
@tavisto	me, jay, or Vrby are the ones that would have to do that work	00:20
+perlDreamer	jay?	00:20
@tavisto	ie. I'm going thru a 25 page RFP right now trying to pick apart what WebGUI can and can't do for a potential customer... blah.. that's the kinda stuff we would do for you	00:21
@tavisto	Jay is a sales guy	00:21
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SquOnk	Hi everyone	00:26
+perlDreamer	Hi SquOnk	00:26
@tavisto	howdy	00:26
SquOnk	rizen: The upload was succesful.	00:26
+perlDreamer	w00t!	00:26
@tavisto	sweet	00:26
SquOnk	rizen: webgui is in the incoming queue. That means it will be available on Debian Sid on sunday	00:26
SquOnk	Sid is already on Perl 5.10 therefore is important to test thoroughly since Perl 5.8 will NOT be available in Sid.	00:27
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, do you know how to run the test suite?	00:28
+perlDreamer	none of us have a 5.10 sitting around	00:33
+perlDreamer	if you do, then you could run the suite for us to check things out	00:33
+perlmonkey2	if fedora 9 ever comes out, I'll have 5.10 ready to test with.	00:35
SquOnk	perlbot: Yes	00:39
perlbot	No!	00:39
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Yes, I know how to run the test suite.	00:39
SquOnk	perlDreamer: That's what I'm going to run.	00:40
SquOnk	perlDreamer: But remember that Debian runs on i386, amd64, ia64, alpha, sparc, powerpc and many more :-)	00:40
+perlDreamer	oh yes	00:40
* perlDreamer is ready for a storm of bug fixing and new uses		00:40
+perlDreamer	users	00:40
+perlDreamer	fedora 9 is out in 4 days	00:41
@rizen	thanks for the update SquOnk	00:41
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I can test directly on i386, amd64, sparc, powerpc and alpha...	00:41
SquOnk	(and will test :-)	00:41
+perlDreamer	cool. Thanks, SquOnk	00:42
SquOnk	The next improvement will be automatica database creating and upgrading	00:42
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itnomad	I am using dynamic dns to point a registered domain name to my current ip address. When trying to connect remotely to my WebGUI website, I get the Bad Gateway error. I have been googling and searching the help on the Plain Black and DynDNS web sites. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding a solution? I am using CentOS 5.1 and have no problems connecting from any of the computers on my intranet to my WebGUI website.	01:29
+perlDreamer	does your ISP block port 80 traffic?	01:30
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itnomad	no. I've run Apache from home for a couple of years with no problems connecting by the current ip address, whatever that might be at the time. As I understand it, WebGUI needs a hostname to work. That's how I got involved with DynDNS.	01:32
itnomad	The error message I get appears to come from the error directory of the wre installation. But I'm not sure of that.	01:33
+perlmonkey2	itnomad: Can you pastebin some of the errors?	01:33
itnomad	Proxy server received invalid response from an upstream server. Is the only error I have seen. I can't seem to find the http error logs.	01:35
+perlmonkey2	/data/wre/var/logs?	01:36
+perlDreamer	itnomad, I think I've seen an article on the wiki about DynDNS and WRE setups	01:37
+perlDreamer	the wiki at webgui.org	01:37
itnomad	the one from fishingfan? I've been reading it, but can't seem to find helpful info there.	01:38
itnomad	cool, I've got the logs now.	01:39
metanil	does pagination in folder asset works by default?	01:39
itnomad	It looks like I may need to open up port 8081	01:40
itnomad	I'm heading home to give that a try:)	01:40
+perlDreamer	metanil: The Folder does not paginate.	01:40
@preaction_	itnomad, only the mod_proxy WRE instance needs to be able to hit 8081, but the mod_proxy wre instance uses the site's ServerName to try to reach it	01:41
metanil	perlDreamer, suppose i have 100 files within that folder ? :D	01:41
+perlDreamer	metanil: Then it will be slow :(	01:42
metanil	:(	01:42
+perlDreamer	itnomad: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/setting-up-the-wre-when-your-isp-block-port-80	01:42
+perlDreamer	that's the wiki article I remembered	01:42
@preaction_	100 isn't much, 1000 would be slow	01:42
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+perlDreamer	rizen: the product Sku is working now	01:44
+perlDreamer	it needs some polish, but it can show a basic form for buying a variant, and it correctly adds itself to the cart	01:44
wgGuest61	Hi I have a question about the Colaboration System template's	01:45
wgGuest61	In the default submission template, in the atacchment loop line	01:46
wgGuest61	How can i to diference the atacchmen file	01:46
itnomad	perlDreamer: that article looks like it could be helpful. Thanks, all.	01:46
wgGuest61	When an user atach a mp3 file show a special line	01:47
wgGuest61	and when an user atach a flv file show other difrent line	01:47
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+perlDreamer	wgGuest61: You would need to use a more advanced templating system than the default one that WebGUI uses	01:54
+perlDreamer	HTML::Template::Expr, or TemplateToolkit	01:55
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6356 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): form elements for buying a variant of a product	01:58
wgGuest61	How can i use this template?	02:05
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+perlmonkey2	f00li5h: hello? what's up?	02:11
+perlDreamer	wgGuest61: You start by installing it from CPAN. Then you add it to the list of WebGUI template plugins in your site's webgui configuration file. Then you edit the template and change ALL of the templating syntax to match your new templating system.	02:11
+perlDreamer	this link has more details: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines	02:12
+perlDreamer	and I would recommend searching the wiki and forum for more information	02:13
wgGuest61	Tks perldreamer	02:14
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wgGuest61	Oki	02:16
wgGuest61	Tks	02:16
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6357 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix i18n for buy button in the Product	02:24
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f00li5h	perlmonkey2: =^_^=	02:35
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pilaf153	I have installed webgui and started editing the menu. I loggout out for a while and came back but now it is tell me it is locked under another version tag. I only have on version tag listed the one I was using before. Is there anyway to unlock flexmenu	04:46
@preaction_	pilaf153, join the version tag again	04:47
@preaction_	alternatively, delete the version tag	04:48
pilaf153	I made sure I am currently using the version tag	04:48
@preaction_	did you commit the version tag?	04:48
pilaf153	no	04:48
pilaf153	If I delete it you think it will work	04:49
@preaction_	most likely, but i don't know	04:49
pilaf153	I have no prpblem trying that if thats what will do it	04:49
pilaf153	oh ok	04:49
pilaf153	that did it thanks	04:51
@preaction_	you can disable that version tag stuff if you want	04:52
pilaf153	what happens if I do	04:53
@preaction_	on the Settings pane in the admin console, Content tab, Auto-Commit Changes and Skip Commit Comments, turn them both to on	04:53
pilaf153	just any changes that are made will be made	04:53
@preaction_	your changes will get committed automatically	04:53
pilaf153	would it matter if I have multiple users making changes	04:53
@preaction_	there is still technically a version tag, you can still roll back, but it just gets committed right away	04:53
pilaf153	I see	04:54
@preaction_	no, it shouldn't be affected, except that things won't be locked for long	04:54
@preaction_	a few seconds to a minute, or more if you have an approval process	04:54
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KennyBoy	Hi there :) I'm considering using webGUI and I'm trying to figure out: can/does WebGUI use persistent database connections (Apache::DBI)? Does anyone know?	16:43
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pilaf153	I was wondering if anyone could help with cool menus. I have it set up so it is a verticle menu and when the user mouseovers the next level menus flow vertical as well but they cover the other sections of the menu. Is there a way for cool menus to "push" down the other menu labels so it is more or less expanding the menu?	20:26
pilaf153	If that cant happen I also found this macro	20:28
pilaf153	http://www.webgui.org/page_tree_menu_macro#JV6ldy52y8Cxi3x_45EAPQ	20:28
pilaf153	but I have no clue how to use macros	20:28
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:02
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dionak	hola	17:45
estiven	Hola	17:48
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webgeek	i have 3 queries in 1 report. the first and second one depend on the value from the first. how can i display the data for the third outside of the nested query 2	18:02
webgeek	as soon as i close the query 2 loop no data for the third displays	18:03
dionak	off the top of my head, i recall having to embed the loops. so to get the data for query 3, i had to be in the query2 rows loop	18:04
dionak	and likewise for query1	18:04
webgeek	thats what i am finding but query 3 has a param from query 1 not query 2 so i don't want it nested	18:06
dionak	you lost me there but could you not customize the template to show only the data you want? This is our general practice	18:08
webgeek	query 1 gets me departments. query 2 gets me courses for that department. query 3 gets me faculy for that department from a different data link	18:09
webgeek	when i edit the sql report template i try to close the query 2 loop and then display query 3 and i get no data	18:10
dionak	the queries are actually 'chained' if you look at the sqlreport code. each one works off the results of the previous query.	18:11
dionak	which is why query2 can't be closed and then query3 accessed.	18:12
dionak	be back...meeting	18:13
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lisette	i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?	18:40
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+perlDreamer	rizen: You ready to talk inventory?	19:27
@rizen	perhaps	19:29
lisette	i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?	19:33
+perlDreamer	while (my $hashRef = $statementHandle->hashRef) { # ???	19:34
+perlDreamer	would need to see more code to really answer that question	19:34
lisette	my $result = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($sql, $dbh);	19:34
lisette	$result->execute();	19:34
lisette	my %rs = $result->hash;	19:34
lisette	while(%rs){	19:34
+perlDreamer	almost, the last two statements can be combined	19:35
+perlDreamer	while (my %rs = $result->hash) {	19:35
lisette	ok, this works?	19:35
+perlDreamer	yeah, it looks fine	19:35
+perlDreamer	well, I need to check the ResultSet call	19:36
+perlDreamer	prepare may not want a db handle	19:36
+perlDreamer	nope, that's fine	19:36
lisette	how?	19:36
lisette	ok	19:36
+perlDreamer	rizen: let me know when you're ready then	19:37
@rizen	i am i'm just screwing with you	19:38
* perlDreamer checks the top of his head of slots		19:38
+perlDreamer	so, what is your flow for inventory management	19:38
+perlDreamer	On addToCart, do I need to do anything?	19:38
@rizen	yes	19:39
@rizen	it works like this:	19:39
@rizen	you modify addToCart so that it subtracts one from the inventory	19:39
@rizen	if there is one	19:39
@rizen	you should check to make sure you have enough for the first add	19:39
@rizen	in addToCart	19:39
+perlDreamer	and if there isn't? exception?	19:39
@rizen	that's up to you	19:40
@rizen	the only thing	19:40
@rizen	that will ever call addToCart	19:40
@rizen	is your www_ method	19:40
+perlDreamer	okay	19:40
@rizen	then you also fill in the getQuantityAvailable method	19:41
@rizen	and that's what the cart will use to let the user modify the quantities in teh cart	19:41
+perlDreamer	and from there, all the on* subs that might touch quantities	19:42
@rizen	oh wait	19:43
@rizen	i take that back	19:43
@rizen	you should check the quanity available in your addToCart method	19:43
@rizen	only if you want to throw an exception or whatever	19:43
@rizen	the onAdjustQuantityInCart method is where you should actually put the code that modifies inventory	19:44
@rizen	that and onRemoveFromCart	19:44
+perlDreamer	and onRefund?	19:44
@rizen	yeah all the onMethods as you said	19:44
+perlDreamer	okay, that's pretty clear	19:45
+perlDreamer	I think I'll make it an exception (just to continue good practice).	19:46
@rizen	don't throw exceptions in the onMethods though	19:47
+perlDreamer	no	19:47
+perlDreamer	only addToCart	19:47
@rizen	cuz the cart will just think something bad happened	19:47
@rizen	it won't try to correct the something bad	19:48
+perlDreamer	and you're checking getQuantityAvailable anyway	19:48
@rizen	right	19:48
@rizen	if you have any special reason to do so you may also want to change the getMaxAllowedInCart method	19:48
@rizen	by default it just calls getQuantityAvailable though	19:48
@rizen	so you probably don't need to modify it	19:48
+perlDreamer	Sounds like that would be a LimitedQuantityProduct :)	19:49
@rizen	well for example, in the EMS, there may be 1000 tickets available, but you can only buy 1	19:50
@rizen	so they are different there	19:50
+perlDreamer	I don't think I need to do that for the basic Product.	19:51
+perlDreamer	it can either be sub-classed or RFE'd in later	19:51
+perlDreamer	I am more more worried about onRefund, due to a design issue with the JSON collateral	19:51
+perlDreamer	I've been using the index in the JSON array as a unique identifier	19:52
+perlDreamer	and as long as only the Asset accesses its collateral, that works fine	19:52
+perlDreamer	but for onRefund, that could happen a while later	19:52
+perlDreamer	and the collateral could be reordered between now and then	19:52
+perlDreamer	so index is not a good solution	19:52
+perlDreamer	I thought about using variant sku, but it's not guaranteed unique by the system	19:53
+perlDreamer	Do you think it would be better to add a GUID to the collateral, or to make sure that variant skus are unique to a product?	19:53
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@rizen	yup	19:54
@rizen	add a guid	19:54
+perlDreamer	okay, I was kind of leaning that way, but then I realized that if variant skus are not unique that they won't be able to do an inventory sync.	19:55
+perlDreamer	but a guid will be useful in other cases anyway	19:55
+perlDreamer	I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get the inventory control and product manager (import/export) done by the end of the month.	19:58
+perlDreamer	If I get done early, I'll ask for other things to help out.	19:59
@rizen	sweet dood cuz i'm getting crushed	19:59
+perlDreamer	oh, blocking on C2 time due to $dayJob?	20:00
@rizen	yup	20:00
+perlDreamer	if you can, make a list with lots of little subtasks. That way they can be farmed out.	20:01
@rizen	yeah, when i get time	20:02
@rizen	=)	20:02
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CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): finalize template variable names for the variant buy form. Add help for template variables and i18n	20:50
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metanil	what is the best way to do a form post in webgui way? like i could create form using template and submit.. but how i'm supposed to handle the submission and returning back other page?	22:39
@preaction_	metanil, an asset	22:39
metanil	preaction_: :D	22:40
@rizen	actually...a content handler	22:40
metanil	?	22:40
metanil	content handler is the part of asset isn't it?	22:41
@preaction_	no, you can write your own content handlers	22:42
metanil	i search the wiki for it but couldn't get anything about it..	22:44
@preaction_	look at lib/WebGUI/Content/*.pm, the Operation.pm would probably be the easiest to understand. there's nothing complicated about them	22:45
metanil	thnx	22:46
metanil	i guess i don't have lib/WebGUI/Content directory.	22:47
@preaction_	they're added in 7.5	22:48
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metanil	i got 7.4.17-stable	22:48
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@tavisto	Has anyone seen this windows install document from Signal Mountain?	23:08
@tavisto	http://www.signalmountain.co.uk/uploads/Installing_WebGui_on_Windows_V2.pdf	23:08
@tavisto	I think the 5th box is incorrect as the c:\data\wre\sbin\services\windows directories aren't created yet?	23:09
+perlDreamer	I think the whole thing is wrong, since the WRE includes perl	23:10
@tavisto	THAT's what I didn't understand either.	23:10
@tavisto	but I haven't done a windows install.. heh. But I was pretty certain that all of the perl modules were included already :)	23:10
+perlDreamer	not only the modules, but perl itself	23:11
@tavisto	I just got off the phone with a potential customer that was kinda confused at this document. It was added to the wiki instructions but probably isn't helping newbs much	23:11
+perlDreamer	there's a handy little link for emailing him about errors mailto:feedback@signalmountain.co.uk	23:12
@tavisto	yeah I know, I just wanted to verify this thing was jacked up. Do you see anything else that sticks out as incorrect	23:12
+perlDreamer	not in that document, but we have 3 hits for WRE windows in the wiki, and I don't think they all jive	23:14
metanil	is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?	23:16
+perlDreamer	Assets are essentially the same as Wobjects	23:17
@tavisto	yeah there used to be 5 different WRE and windows documents and on one of our staff bug fixer days I went in and got rid of some duplication	23:22
@tavisto	however, there's more work to do. I often times think that some of the official instructional wiki posts should be locked to prevent erroneous information being added to the documents that people access most when they first start using WebGUI. Although then again that kinda defeats the purpose of the wiki :)	23:25
+perlDreamer	true, that	23:26
@preaction_	tavisto, i still maintain that the ability to subscribe to wiki posts would solve that problem, since an editor could maintain it	23:29
@apeiron	preaction_, Well-volunteered	23:29
@tavisto	that's true pre	23:29
@tavisto	I still think that is a great idea/solution as well.	23:29
+perlDreamer	that's how wikipedia works	23:29
+perlDreamer	iirc	23:29
@tavisto	it would end the murdering of valid wiki posts :)	23:29
@preaction_	pd: exactly	23:30
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metanil	is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?	23:32
+perlDreamer	metanil: Assets are essentially Wobjects	23:33
@preaction_	metanil, you can use the wobject development tutorial to develop an asset	23:33
@preaction_	Wobject is a subclass of Asset	23:33
metanil	why is the first question in that tutorial looks like "Should I build an asset rather than a wobject?"	23:33
+perlDreamer	so you know which one to subclass	23:33
@preaction_	asset is lower-level, you most likely want wobject	23:34
metanil	hmm.. gr8	23:34
+perlDreamer	tell us what you're trying to do, metanil	23:34
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@tavisto	Hey Charley	23:38
Charley	hey. anyone here very familiar with the event calendar?	23:39
+perlDreamer	how familiar is "very" familiar?	23:39
+perlDreamer	iow, what's up?	23:39
@preaction_	perlbot anyone	23:40
perlbot	Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help.	23:40
Charley	ha. My site is centered. But, when I click the "add event", my template moves over to the left.	23:40
+perlDreamer	for the add event form only?	23:41
Charley	the entire site moves over to the left	23:41
Charley	click on "Add" under community calendar: http://web402.plainblack.net/	23:41
@preaction_	sounds like a bad template	23:41
@preaction_	bad template <-> style interaction	23:42
@preaction_	and i'll agree, the add event template is horrible	23:42
+perlDreamer	yeah, that's it	23:42
+perlDreamer	if you click on the recurrence tab, it moves even farther to the left	23:42
+perlDreamer	but outside the form it's fine	23:42
+perlDreamer	so, only your editors will see this	23:43
@tavisto	in Safari 3.0 this site is not centered	23:44
@preaction_	no, it's a bug. i could've swore i fixed this back in 7.4.23	23:44
@tavisto	top horizontal nav is centered though	23:45
Charley	actually, I have it set where the general public can enter events, so the public will be able to see it jump to the left. Which is not so bad, but my menu stays centered. So it's a little messed up looking.	23:46
+perlDreamer	I'd file the bug, since the last 7.4 bug release is not too far off in the future	23:47
+perlDreamer	all new stuff will happen in 7.5	23:47
+perlDreamer	Haarg: I merged the Form/Email dot fix into 7.5. Will all others happen en masse for the 7.5.11 release?	23:47
@Haarg	other things from 7.4 you mean?	23:48
+perlDreamer	yes	23:48
@Haarg	yeah, i'll be merging them	23:48
+perlDreamer	okay, sorry for being impatient	23:48
@tavisto	Charley, I saw you purchased a new server today. Are you already starting the new South Ark project/site?	23:49
+perlDreamer	tavisto, he's done a bunch already	23:49
+perlDreamer	it looks quite nice	23:49
* perlDreamer starts drooling about spudnuts		23:49
@tavisto	hehe sweet, I lose track of such things b/c I talk to so many peeps.. But that's great	23:50
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dionak	how do you get a list of everything from perlbot	00:00
dionak	?	00:00
dionak	seems handy and funny	00:00
@apeiron	perlbot, source	00:01
perlbot	check out my insides: http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3	00:01
+perlDreamer	perlbot: help	00:01
perlbot	(fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (mod) : docs (mod) : perldoc -f (func) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (num) karma : geoip (ip)	00:01
+perlDreamer	dionak: if you want a list of what it's learned, that's another story	00:01
@apeiron	http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3/data/facts.db has everything it seems.	00:01
@preaction_	perlbot factoids	00:01
@preaction_	perlbot keywords	00:01
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@preaction_	perlbot is populated by ... well, denizens of #perl, so uber-geeks and social misfits. you were warned	00:02
+perlDreamer	apeiron, reading sqlite dbs is not fun :/	00:03
@rizen	hiring web designers is WAY harder than hiring programmers	00:03
dionak	true	00:03
Charley	tavisto, how do you know about spudnuts?	00:06
@tavisto	I see all of the sales @ Plain Black.	00:07
@tavisto	this is Tavis	00:07
@tavisto	:)	00:07
@tavisto	I dont know about spudnuts... but I'm assuming you're referring to whatever this new server is for	00:07
Charley	Hey! I figured. I guess that was Perldreamer drooling over the spudnuts.	00:07
+perlDreamer	mmmm	00:07
+perlDreamer	spudnuts	00:07
+perlDreamer	of course, if there was some BBQ nearby that would do, too	00:08
@tavisto	what is that?	00:08
Charley	sooo, how do you know about our claim to fame?	00:08
@tavisto	perlbot spudnuts	00:08
Charley	they are heavenly	00:08
+perlDreamer	I read this awesome website about El Dorado, Arkansas	00:08
Charley	donuts made from potato flour	00:08
Charley	ha!	00:08
@tavisto	wow	00:08
+perlDreamer	of course, they have them in Tri-Cities Washington, too	00:08
@tavisto	So Charley is this server for the South Ark proj then?	00:09
Charley	really? I had no idea.	00:09
+perlDreamer	oh, yeah	00:09
+perlDreamer	The Spudnut Shop	00:09
Charley	the one I purchased today is for the college I'm working at.	00:09
+perlDreamer	right on George Washington way	00:09
Charley	we're getting ready to redo our site. I convinced our CIO to go with WebGUI.	00:09
@tavisto	cool, I have a hard time keeping up with all your projects.. When we talked originally I remember you developed for like the who town	00:09
@tavisto	whole town even	00:09
+perlDreamer	perlbot: spudnuts is donuts made from potato flour	00:10
perlbot	added spudnuts to the database	00:10
@tavisto	that's great.	00:10
@tavisto	perlbot JT Smith likes small pillows	00:10
Charley	Yes. The one we're launching tomorrow (and having issues with the event calendar) is for the city of El Dorado, AR.	00:10
@tavisto	yeah I looked at the URL you posted... BTW.. it wasn't centered for Safari 3	00:11
Charley	They are doing a big launch at the Arkansas Welcome Center. So, everything has got to be perfected by tomorrow.	00:11
Charley	any ideas on how to keep it from moving to the left when adding an event?	00:11
Charley	i messed with the css, but could make no headway.	00:11
@tavisto	well, I'm talking about the site design in general.. not on the form	00:11
@tavisto	the navigation on the home page stays centered	00:12
Charley	ah. well, crap.	00:12
Charley	yeah.	00:12
@tavisto	however in firefox 2 the whole site design is centered	00:12
@preaction_	Charley, if i'm not mistaken, there's an extra </td></tr></table> in the template somewhere	00:12
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Charley	ok. in the event calendar "add/edit event" template?	00:12
@preaction_	yes	00:13
Charley	i'll check it out. thanks.	00:13
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Charley	preaction, I believe you are correct! It still moves a little to the left, but I think that may be due to the width of the HTMLArea. Do you know how to edit the width of the HTMLArea box?	00:20
@preaction_	it's just a Rich Edit, i don't know if you can set which rich edit from the Calendar's properties, but that would be my first choice	00:22
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@preaction_	also don't know if you can edit the width of the rich editor from the Rich Edit properties	00:22
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+perlDreamer	Charley: Are you coming to the WUC?	00:29
juan	i had configured a survey and i was checking the statistical overview and every i was checking the view grade book to verify the number of users that had answering it	00:31
juan	today i was checking again and i find the view grade book without entries	00:31
juan	i don't know what happened?	00:32
+perlDreamer	is there data in the database?	00:32
juan	i am checking	00:33
Charley	also, when I'm in the Edit section, the font on my coolmenu changes to 8px.	00:34
Charley	When is the WUC?	00:35
@tavisto	Aug 28th-29th	00:35
+perlDreamer	August 27th and 28th, in Madison, Wisconsin	00:35
+perlDreamer	huh?	00:35
@tavisto	the workshops are on the 26th and 27th	00:35
+perlDreamer	my bad	00:36
@tavisto	dude wtf... there's a dumb typo on wuc site right now... says 2007!	00:36
+perlmonkey2	Charley: I wonder how much it would cost to hire someone to come up with a good xhtml menu system?	00:36
+perlDreamer	a plainblack staffer should fix that, tavisto :)	00:36
@tavisto	on it	00:37
@tavisto	that's why im not talking atm	00:37
juan	perlDreamer, i am checking in the survey_response table and there is not data	00:37
+perlDreamer	well, that explains why the gradebook is empty	00:37
+perlDreamer	but not why the data is gone	00:37
+perlDreamer	juan, the Survey does have a way to delete all data, built into the UI	00:38
+perlDreamer	it's possible that somebody hit it	00:38
+perlDreamer	you can check the Apache logs for a url that looks like func=deleteAllResponses.*	00:39
+perlDreamer	also, do you have backups of the database that you could use to restore the data?	00:40
juan	i am going to check	00:42
Charley	End of August? Yes, I think I can definately do that.	00:46
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juan	perlDreamer, if I don't want to restore all the tables in the database, can i restore only the tables related to the survey?	01:04
+perlDreamer	eys	01:09
+perlDreamer	yes	01:09
+perlDreamer	edit the backup file to only contain those tables	01:09
+perlDreamer	I'm glad you have a backup	01:10
+perlDreamer	A lot of people don't set them up	01:10
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: Please consider this as an informal RFE.	01:10
+perlDreamer	If you have a deleteAllResponses method, please log it explicitly in the WebGUI log file	01:10
+perlDreamer	who did it and when	01:10
@apeiron	And probably which survey it affects, neh?	01:11
juan	ok	01:11
+perlDreamer	oh, good one, apeiron!	01:11
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, good idea	01:11
+perlmonkey2	apeiron: also good idea. So the admin knows who's butt to kick.	01:12
+perlDreamer	$self->locate('offender')->butt({action => 'kick', force => 'maximum'});	01:13
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juan	perlDreamer,	01:44
juan	i have something strange, i have restored the data and all was ok and after some minutes the data disappear again	01:45
+perlDreamer	juan, it is possible that your database is corrupted.	01:46
juan	and is happening with this specific survey	01:46
+perlDreamer	there are other surveys that are okay?	01:46
juan	yes	01:47
CIA-6	WebGUI: colin * r6363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: remove out of date collateral comments and fix a POD typo	01:47
+perlDreamer	did you check the apache logs for that url that I mentioned earlier?	01:48
+perlDreamer	is it possible that someone else from your team is messing around on the site?	01:48
juan	perlDreamer, i have another question, in this site i have always some workflows that always have status waiting and never disappear for suspended workflows	02:02
+perlDreamer	which workflows are they?	02:02
juan	Commit With Approval	02:03
+perlDreamer	they are probably waiting for approval	02:03
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juan	but i don't have pending commits in the site	02:06
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Charley	hey. I have a serious dns problem. We had a webspace set up at web368.plainblack.net. We upgraded and our new address is web402.plainblack.net. When I transferred the dns for GoElDorado.com it is coming up with our old site on web368.plainblack.net. What can I do?	02:20
Charley	it needs to show the site at web402.plainblack.net