WebGUI irc logs from: 2008-05.log

--- Log opened Thu May 01 00:00:49 2008
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+snapcountargh... why is mysql replication so freaking cumbersome00:39
@rizenremove mysql00:39
@rizenreplication is cumbersome00:39
+snapcountheh... I guess that is a better way to put it00:40
+snapcountI've never worked with repl on another rdbms before00:40
@rizeni meant remove it from the sentence00:40
+snapcountso it could be equally crappy on all platforms00:41
@rizennot your server00:41
+snapcount"but you said to remove mysql"00:41
@rizeni've used it on oracle, mysql, and sybase00:41
@rizenmysql is the easiest to set up, but has the fewest options out of the ones i've used00:41
@rizenyou need a special degree in oracle in order to set up replication in oracle00:42
+perlDreamersnapcount, he means s/mysql //; #all replication is freaking cumbersome00:42
Samus_Arancan someone point me in the direction for updating the logout/login part.  I have a styled login form that I want to appear once the person logs out00:43
+snapcountperlDreamer: indeed =)00:46
Samus_Aranfigured it out. 00:46
+perlDreamerSamus_Aran: when a person logs out returns you to the page that you were looking at (if you have permission)00:48
+perlDreamerit doesn't show you a custom relogin form00:48
+perlDreamerso all you can do is style the generic login form00:48
Samus_AranI found on the Wikie: ^LoginToggle("Click here to log in.","Click here to log out.","/url/to/your/template");00:51
Samus_Aranwhich seems to be what I want00:51
Samus_Aranthat is, if /url/to/your/template contains HTML for the login form.  if not, I'm still lost00:52
+perlDreamerSamus_Aran: I'd suggest the L_loginBox macro instead00:54
+perlDreamerbut either may do the trick00:54
Samus_Aranwhich only appears when they are not logged in?00:54
Samus_Aranmaybe I will just keep the login form always visible, as I sometimes change users 00:55
+perlDreamerl_loginBox: If they are logged in, it shows them a link to their account.  If logged out, it shows them a login box for username/passwd00:55
+perlDreamerLoginToggle: show them text 1 with login if logged out, text 2 with logout if logged in00:55
+perlDreamerbut you can build more sophisticated stuff as well00:56
+snapcountrsync freaking rules00:59
CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons01:06
+snapcountdoes anyone know what is being used to announce svn commits in IRC?01:09
+snapcountthat is really cool... is it a one off or out there on the interwebs?01:10
+snapcountpreaction: is this a custom perlbot you wrote?01:10
@preactionno, see http://cia.vc01:11
+snapcountsweet... thanks man01:11
Samus_Aransnapcount: rsync is great :)01:24
Samus_Aranalong with a small script to dump databases, it is very handy for offsite backups01:25
+snapcountit's good for repairing replication when it breaks so you don't have to copy entire snapshots of the dbs01:26
+snapcountesp when the db is like 20GB01:26
+snapcountmuch faster01:27
Samus_Aranwell, these are teeny databases, hehe.  just a few MB01:27
Samus_Aranhaven't had to deal with huge ones yet01:27
+snapcountI'm new to it as well01:27
+snapcountwe have one now that is appx 750 million rows01:27
Samus_Aranwhat is in it?01:27
+snapcountpeople data01:27
Samus_Aranuser accounts for a web site ?01:28
+snapcountcriminal records, phone book type stuff, real estate transactions, etc01:28
+snapcountprofessional records01:28
+snapcountjudgements, bankruptcies, lienss01:28
+snapcountall kinds of crap01:28
+snapcountnot users in a website01:29
+snapcountthis is more like all the people in the united states01:30
+snapcountand puerto rico I think01:30
+snapcountthankfully we don't replicate that data =)01:32
+snapcountthat would be interesting to say the least01:32
CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons01:32
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Samus_Aransnapcount: what type of hard drive do you have to drive it, and how much RAM ?01:39
Samus_Aranpresumably a fast RAID array01:40
Samus_Aranand too many GB of RAM01:40
+snapcountThat data is on a RAID 1, SAS 300GB 15K RPM01:41
+snapcount32GB of memory and dual quad core 2.0 GHz xeons01:41
Samus_Aranit is remarkable how cheap servers are now than a few years ago01:42
+snapcountfor sure01:42
Samus_Aranmillion dollar servers are now available for a few thousand01:42
Samus_Arankind of scary.01:42
+snapcountthat box I think cost me like 5 or 6K01:42
+snapcountbut we buy a lot of servers and get a fat discount01:42
Samus_Arandiscounts are always nice01:43
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+snapcountI tell you what really impresses me is MySQL cluster01:45
+snapcountif they could make it work with complex selects it would solve world hunger =D01:45
@apeironheh, http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/the_mysql_appliance.html01:46
@apeiron^^ that's impressive01:46
+snapcountit is soooo fast and fault tolerant01:46
+snapcountwe have a four node setup that handles all of our AAA01:46
+snapcountapeiron: I saw that at the conference a few weeks ago01:47
+snapcountit is impressive but pricey01:47
+snapcountI think bottom floor is like 25K and tops out around $200K01:47
+snapcountbut the architecture of using an "SQL Chip" is pretty cool01:48
+snapcountThe guy told me they won't be available until late fall01:50
+snapcountbut it sucks that they won't sell you the chip only01:50
@apeironYeah, 10/14/2008 according to that site.01:50
@apeironindeed. I'd like to frob it with different DBs.01:50
+snapcountyou have to buy the appliance which is just a COTS server with a PCI-X card containing that chip01:50
+snapcountand a diff storage engine for mysql01:50
+snapcountwho knows... maybe that will come someday =)01:51
+snapcountfinally got replication back up on this box01:55
+snapcountwhat a PITA01:55
CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): added missing help files01:57
+perlDreamerrizenisaway: You big stud!01:59
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6285 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Product.pm: point Product Asset help to Sku help instead of wobject02:20
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more product variants work, i18n, forms and upgrade script02:20
Samus_Aranonce SSD are cheaper and faster, it will effortlessly beat out 15K drives02:25
Samus_Aranit has the potential to be many times faster than any current disks02:25
Samus_Aranand as a bonus is smaller and uses less electricity02:26
+perlDreamerthere was a slashdot article saying that now, performance wise, they're much slower than mechanical drives02:26
Samus_Arancurrently they just plug into SATA slots and are not economical or particularly efficient02:26
Samus_Aranbut it is still the first generation02:27
Samus_AranI don't think platter drives will be used within 4-5 years02:27
Samus_Aranthey will also be cheaper to produce once the manufacturing is behind it02:28
Samus_Aranoh, and great for databases, random access with the same seek time02:28
Samus_AranI'm about to build a 5.4 TiB array at home (9x SATA 750GB disks).  perhaps by the time that is bursting at the seams, SSD will be cheap =)02:29
Samus_AranI haven't heard anything about heat, but I imagine SSD are very cool compared to platter disks.  you can heat a house with regular hard drives02:31
+perlDreamertoo bad you can't cool them :)02:31
+snapcountmy macbook air has the SSD02:32
+snapcountit is a bit slower02:32
+snapcountbut the battery lasts for like 4.5 - 5 hrs02:33
+snapcountit's really good at random writes but the mech drives blow it away on sequential writes02:33
+snapcountwhich makes sense I think02:33
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6287 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): begin migrating Product data into variants02:52
Samus_Aranbattery efficiency, speed and storage capacity are going to skyrocket with SSD02:55
Samus_Arandoes anyone know how I can duplicate a template so that I can paste in my custom made code ?02:56
Samus_Aranif I go to assets and select a template and do duplicate, it doesn't duplicate the template02:56
Samus_Aranit just creates an empty folder02:56
Samus_Arannot sure how to copy as well the content in it02:56
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Samus_Aranduplicated the template manually, and now it won't let me apply anything to a whole branch... hum04:04
Samus_Aranone question: is there a way without Apache mod_rewrite to make the top of the web site not have a name ?04:05
Samus_Aranfor example "home" shows up as http://www.foo.com/home04:05
Samus_Aranbut it also shows up as http://www.foo.com/04:05
Samus_Aranwhich is bad for search engines and caching04:06
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+Radix-wrksounds like spectre is the cause then04:15
+Radix-wrkspectre shouldn't be timing out04:15
+Radix-wrkcheck your spectre.conf file for typos, invalid domain names, etc04:15
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DX^I want to start a circuit schematic archive, so I want the ability to categorize a bunch of content, but I also want it to have tags and comments, so users can add info and search, can I do this with WebGUI?04:16
+Radix-wrkthe wiki has tags, and you can add pages, search, etc04:17
+Radix-wrkit doesn't have the concept of comments though04:17
Samus_AranRadix-wrk: I restarted Apache earlier, then restarted spectre, I haven't changed anything since last time it was started a few weeks ago, hm04:17
@apeironNo comments in non-CS content, anyway.04:17
@apeironAnd I think the Gallery has comemnts.04:17
@apeironBut they're simple enough to add.04:18
+Radix-wrkgallery/cs might be your best bet04:18
+Radix-wrknew gallery in 7.5 has tags too doesn't it?04:18
@apeironNot sure, haven't used it much.04:19
+Radix-wrkI'm pretty sure it does04:19
DX^What is CS?04:19
@apeironCollaboration System.04:19
@apeironThe guy who wrote it isn't here at the moment.04:19
@apeiron(the gallery)04:19
DX^webgui has all this?04:19
+Radix-wrkDX^: Collaboration System - the Gallery is a rewrite of it essentially04:19
Samus_AranADMIN: Fetching site data for foo.com.conf04:20
+Radix-wrkthese are just a couple of the wobjects available04:20
Samus_AranADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site foo.com.conf at http://foo.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 read timeout04:20
Samus_Aranthat's all I get04:20
Samus_Aranthen it resumes what looks like normal working 04:20
Samus_Aranno more errors04:20
Samus_Aran(using --debug --run)04:20
Samus_Aranshould spectre be started before or after Apache ?04:21
Samus_AranI forget04:21
Samus_Aranthat's what I thought, and what I did.  I guess I'll go dig around in the log files to see if there's anything more helpful04:21
@apeironSamus_Aran, If you're using the WRE, try the 'all' target.04:22
@apeirone.g. /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart all04:22
+Radix-wrkcheck the dns resolution for foo.com04:22
Samus_Aranapeiron: manual install via the guide, on an Ubuntu system04:22
+Radix-wrkAlso check that the foo.com.conf has specified the right ip block for the spectre04:23
Samus_AranRadix-wrk: I can get to the site and do all the admin stuff without any apparent issues, except a single lock on the home page item that I need to apply a theme to the whole site04:23
Samus_AranI can apply versions fine04:23
Samus_AranI mean commit04:23
+Radix-wrkso you can commit other things and they go through?04:24
+Radix-wrkmight just be a stuck workflow then04:24
Samus_AranI had issues with spectre before, but those were stopping everything04:24
+Radix-wrkgo to workflows and run it manually perhaps04:24
DX^Can someone show me a web site using the collaboration system04:25
Samus_AranI tried going to the URL the --debug gave me, and it eventually pops up a download window, but after a long time04:25
Samus_Aranperhaps the timeout is set too low04:25
Samus_Aranbut I don't know why it would take a long time, the server is pretty fast04:25
Samus_Aranit says file type is text/json04:25
+Radix-wrkDX^: the collaboration system is incredibly flexible.. you can template it to do anything really.  forums, photo galleries, flash video galleries, etc04:25
Samus_Aranpops up after about 60-90 seconds04:25
+Radix-wrkDX^: The collaboration system is probably the most flexible object in webgui imho - and any example we showed you would have the limitations imposed by the template used really.04:27
+Radix-wrkI have a flash video template I use for flash movies on our website - http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos04:28
Samus_Aranclicking on "Show running workflows" is lagging as well, though it isn't appearing even after 2+ minutes04:28
DX^So I can let people add stuff to this?04:29
DX^this seems way too complicated04:29
DX^I don't want to roll my own, hah04:29
+Radix-wrkit's not particularly complicated if you use an existing template04:30
Samus_AranBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm line 19.04:30
Samus_Aranline 19 is "use Template;"04:31
@apeironSamus_Aran, There'll probably be something before that line which explains the error.04:31
@apeirone.g., "Can't find Template.pm in @INC [...]"04:31
Samus_AranError loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC04:32
@apeironuh huh.04:32
@apeironSamus_Aran, This site worked before?04:32
Samus_Aranyes, was working fine the past several weeks04:32
@apeironLooks like your environment isn't set up properly. Using the same perl and such?04:33
Samus_Aransame GNU Screen session with same environment variables04:33
Samus_AranApache was updated by Ubuntu somewhere along the line I think04:33
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@apeironhm. If Apache was updated, did it replace the config?04:34
@apeironWhat about modperl?04:34
Samus_Aran@INC conta04:34
Samus_Aranins: /var/www/WebGUI/lib04:34
Samus_AranI can't remember if mod_perl was updated.  I run an update every day or two on the server04:34
Samus_Aranthe directory contains only WebGUI.pm.  does the Perl @INC also read sub-directories ?04:35
@apeironIf the package name is appropriate.04:35
@apeirone.g. if you want WebGUI::Session it'll look in /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI for Session.pm04:36
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Samus_Aranthere are five Template .pm files in the sub directories04:36
@apeironYes, they're all below /var/www/WebGUI/lib yes?04:37
@apeironThat means that they're all WebGUI:: packages.04:37
Samus_Aranoh wait, that was the package that tried to load Template.pm04:37
@apeironTemplate.pm is a separate, non-WebGUI module.04:37
Samus_AranOh, I see.  confused me with so many Template.pm files in the WebGUI dir.  I will confirm it is installed and up-to-date and all that04:38
@apeironIt has to be, if you've been running WebGUI before.04:38
@apeironThe fact that it's suddenly missing makes me think that either it was uninstalled by one of those updates of yours or some environment variable got broken somehow.04:39
Samus_AranI will search the hard drive for Template.pm to see where it is04:40
Samus_AranI ran the perl script to check the environment, and it only checks for HTML::Template:04:41
Samus_Aranis that the Template.pm ?04:41
Samus_Aranand it was installed according to the script04:41
@apeironThat's a different module.04:42
Samus_ArantestEnvironment.pl doesn't check for anything else with Template in it04:42
Samus_Araninstalling Template Toolkit Version 2.19 manually04:43
Samus_Arancpan install Template04:43
@apeironDon't do that, you'll pull in junoscript.04:43
@apeiron(bit of a bug in the cpan command utility)04:44
@apeironjust run: cpan Template04:44
@apeironBetter, why not use a vendor package?04:44
Samus_Aranyou mean apt-get install somethingorother ?04:45
Samus_AranI followed the instructions originally from the site, perhaps Ubuntu updated the module and broke things04:46
Samus_Aranit's installing them now04:47
* Samus_Aran crosses fingers04:47
* Samus_Aran goes to microwave a burrito...04:47
Samus_Arandifferent error now: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC04:56
Samus_Aranstrange that all the modules were fine before, now they're all bungled up04:57
@apeironCould be that one of your upgrades broke things.04:57
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Samus_Aranno more errors in the Apache log, but Spectre still gets: Response: 500 read timeout05:02
Samus_Aranwill check webgui log05:02
Samus_Arannot completely sure what this means from the debug output of Spectre:05:03
Samus_AranWORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now.05:03
Samus_AranWORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances.05:03
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Samus_Arandoes that mean Spectre isn't running, or just that there are no workflows ?05:03
@apeironIf spectre's not running, there can't be any workflows queued.05:04
@apeironAre you sure spectre's running?05:05
Samus_AranI am watching it in debug mode, yes05:07
Samus_Aranokay, the webgui log explains the error as:05:07
Samus_AranRoot cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 72.05:08
Samus_Aranwhich is: next unless $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled");05:08
@apeironSo $instance->getWorkflow is returning undef.05:09
Samus_Aranmaybe I should just update to .2505:09
* Samus_Aran notices the topic says .3205:09
Samus_Aranthe testEnvironment told me .35 was available05:09
-!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn200805:09
@apeironno it doesn't05:09
Samus_Aranmy mistake05:10
@apeironNo worries, easy mistake to make.05:10
Samus_Aranoh great, now I'm 9 versions behind :p05:10
Samus_Aranwill try the update and hopefully this gremlin will take a hike05:11
@apeironHonestly, first thing I'd try is simply restarting the whole shebang. May not help but I dunno.05:11
Samus_Aranthe kernel has probably been updated along the line, though that doesn't usually affect things05:12
Samus_Aranexcept when the old kernel modules are removed05:12
Samus_Aranit has only been on for 14 days.. the Ubuntu is stupidly running in a VMware Player virtual machine on Windows 200305:13
Samus_Aranhad to do a Windows Update05:13
Samus_AranI've been given the go ahead to scrap Win2K3 and put Ubuntu straight on the server, but haven't had any time05:14
@apeironIf you're going that route, maybe you should try the WRE?05:14
Samus_Aranthere are lots of other web sites and databases running05:14
@apeironOn the Ubuntu VM?05:15
Samus_Aranplus I like security updates to be quick and easy05:15
Samus_Aranit's quite silly, nothing on Win2K3 is even being used.  the previous tech just sort of patched anything together05:15
Samus_Aranthe network was a complete mess, too05:15
@apeironYou could set up Apache's mod_proxy to proxy to the other sites or host them outright, and set up the DB to be shared.05:15
Samus_Arannothing labelled05:16
Samus_Aranonce it isn't in the VM, it will help, as all the RAM will go to the VM.  right now it is limiting it to half05:16
Samus_Aranoh, I checked, only 1/405:16
Samus_Aran512MB instead of 2GB05:16
@apeironHello, swap city!05:16
Samus_Aranit's also a rack mount server.... sitting on a wooden shelf05:17
@apeironwood? heh05:17
Samus_Aranthey didn't even want to buy a locking metal cabinet with air vents05:17
Samus_Arananyway, thank you for your help05:18
Samus_AranI will get back to you after I've done the update if the gremlin lives on05:18
@apeironno worries, hope things go well for you.05:18
@apeironI might be in bed by that time, heh05:18
Samus_Aranit will be another day, my brain has melted and it's time for me to go home05:18
@apeironnight night, then.05:18
Samus_Arangoodnight.  *wanders off in the direction of home*05:18
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Samus_Aranbe back tomorrow =)07:29
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patspamhi guys, just wondering what the status of Survey 2.0 is? couldn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta09:09
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ckotilIf i have a group that can read and edit an asset can i limit access to edit by leaving a user out of the turn admin on group?16:32
BartJolI don't think so...16:34
BartJolthe canEdit boolean will be true16:34
ckotilbc if a user cant utrn on admin mode, how will they ever edit an asset?16:34
BartJoltrying it16:36
ckotilcool, thanks.16:36
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BartJolah, indeed16:37
ckotilnice. this will make my group structure much simpler and easier to manage16:37
BartJolthey can't directly16:37
BartJoltesting wehether they can do it by a fuvction in the url16:38
ckotilya i was thinking that.16:38
BartJolah, they can edit, but don't see the edit button16:39
ckotilthats very good to know. thank you BartJol 16:39
BartJolwell it's a free day16:41
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BartJoland it's good for me to know to16:41
BartJolckotil it's the <tmpl_if showAdmin> variable16:48
BartJolfror pages16:48
BartJoland 16:49
BartJol<tmpl_if session.var.adminOn for other assets16:49
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@rizenI'm thinking that we have to many people from Holland coming to the WUC.17:18
@rizenAnd maybe we, as Americans, should stage an uprising and not let them into our country.17:18
@rizenThey may invade and try to take us over.17:18
dionakand make us drink massive amounts of beer?17:19
BartJolso you finally discovered our plans17:19
dionaksounds scary17:19
@rizenexactly dionak17:19
@rizenWe still love you Bart17:20
BartJolwell than you just have to feed us beer, and pretend that you're drinking too17:20
BartJoltoday it's national hangover day here17:21
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CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6288 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 17:29
CIA-5WebGUI: - rfe: subscribe entire user group to a collaboration message board17:29
CIA-5WebGUI: - Added show in forms and is editable properties to group manager.17:29
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knowmadAnd all's quiet....17:50
tavistoyes it is. heh17:50
knowmadTime for a question!17:50
tavistoI have a question for whoever wants it.17:50
BartJolonly thing that happened that JT was expression his fears for dutch people17:51
BartJolbut go ahead with the question17:51
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tavistohah, okay.  Has anyone tried using the permissions tab on the settings screen? I created a new user group called "reports" and set the Transactions permissions to that group. However, I tried accessing transactions with a user in that group and it says I dont have the permissions17:52
tavistoI tried to do it directly through the ?op=listTransactions and it comes back with the permissions error17:53
BartJolso that's the commerce system?17:53
aknowmadi haven't tried it17:53
tavistoyeah that's the transactions in WebGUI's commerce system17:54
tavistobut from what I can tell those permissions aren't working17:54
aknowmad7.5 or 7.4?17:55
BartJolmaybe those people should also be in the turn admin on group17:55
tavistothis is latest beta17:55
tavistoyeah I'm just afraid they would mess stuff up :)17:55
@preactionthey should only have to be in the correct group17:56
@preactionshouldn't also have to be in Turn Admin On17:56
tavistoyeah, that's what I thought.. I thought you could basically setup ANY regular user group to be able to do those specific functions17:56
aknowmadI've got an SQL question -- what comes back from an unconditional_read request? api docs say it's a result set statement handle. how do I use that to get at the data returned from a SELECT query?17:57
BartJolso your statement is SELECT * from table;?17:58
BartJoloh sorry, misunderstood18:02
BartJolthat's a bit too deep for me18:08
@preactionaknowmad, see WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet. something as simple as while ( my $row = $sth->hash ) { ... }18:12
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aknowmadare you referring to api docs or the code?18:13
aknowmadis it a true DBI sth? can I call methods like fetchall_hashref with it?18:14
@preactionnot that i know of18:15
@preactionbut check the API docs18:15
aknowmadok, i don't see that method in there so assume it's not availabe18:16
@preactioni don't think it's a subclass, but... if you wanted fetchall_arrayref why are you using $db->read instead of $db->buildArrayRefOfHashRefs18:16
aknowmadi guess it's not a DBI sth18:16
aknowmadahh, because i didn't know that method was available.... I'm still learning the ins and outs of wG's db workings18:17
aknowmadwhich brings up another question--when do you recommend using read vs. unconditional_red?18:17
aknowmadalso, are these methods essentially helpers that perform prepare and execute in one fell swoop?18:20
@preactionunconditional read is, if i'm not mistaken, "don't error if the statement fails"18:20
aknowmadyes, that's what the docs tell me18:21
aknowmadbut i'm wondering what the use case is for this method18:21
@preactionyes, they're essentially helpers that call prepare, execute, and fetch all at once18:21
@preactionwhen you don't want an error in the read to kill the rest of the process? i dunno, i've never used it18:21
aknowmadthat's what i was wondering18:21
aknowmadmy thinking is it's not something to use lightly18:22
aknowmadunconditional_read, that is18:22
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aknowmadok, thanks for the insights preaction18:23
aknowmadmorning perlDreamer18:23
+perlDreamermorning aknowmad18:23
+perlDreamerare you _the_ knowmad, or just _a_knowmad?18:24
aknowmadi'm THE knowmad; had some problems with my client reserving just 'knowmad' nick18:24
aknowmadmight be b/c i'm laid up in bed sick :(18:24
+perlDreamernot a good day18:24
aknowmadbetter than yesterday when i had a 102F fever!18:24
+perlDreamerI recommend lots of hot drinks and SciFi reruns18:25
aknowmadyeah, i've done the teas; i've got a bit of code to write then will be cranking up some Battlestar Galactica reruns18:25
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CIA-5WebGUI: yung * r6289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with delete Thing permissions18:36
@apeirongack, coding while sick is a Bad Idea.18:37
+perlDreameryeah, it's better to write tests18:37
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citronizedhi :)23:33
+perlDreamerdo you have some WebGUI questions, citronized?23:33
citronizedI'm wondering if I can install WebGUI and still use MAMP (Apache+MySQL) for other local sites ?23:35
citronizeddo I have to download the source or the WRE ?23:36
citronizedI don't want to mess my present configuration :-/23:37
+perlDreamerit is easiest to use the WRE, since it's all optimized to work well together23:37
+perlDreamerand there's nothing stopping you from running other sites on the WRE as static sites23:37
citronizedok, but I'll need to rename some conf files, is that right ?23:38
+perlDreamerperhaps, it depends on what you're trying to do23:38
citronizedjust trying to try WebGUI :D23:39
+perlDreamerhave you tried a demo site yet?23:39
citronizedseem to be weel feet to my project :)23:39
+perlDreamerWebGUI tries to meet all sorts of needs23:40
citronizedlooks like, yup23:40
citronizedbasically, I need a pool function (perhaps I need to custom it) and an access to a dedicated MySQL DB23:41
citronizedand a good user dashboard configuration :)23:42
citronizedmy project is a free library, so I need to be able to write records, etc.23:42
citronizedmange groups23:43
citronizedI believe WebGUI is able to meet my needs, isn't it ?23:44
+perlDreamernot sure what a "pool function" is, but WebGUI has very fine grained group and user privileges and a dashboard.23:44
citronizedwell, I've seen in the demo that polls are limited to 20 answers (excuse my english for the pool :) ) and I might need more answers per question ;)23:47
+perlDreamerah, not a problem about the english.23:47
+perlDreamerThere is a new poll function coming out at the end of May23:47
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: ping.  You awake/around?23:48
citronizedgood news :)23:48
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2 would know how the new poll works, since he wrote it :)23:48
citronizedI don't think my needs are that complex :)23:49
+perlDreamerhave you seen the i18n.webgui.org site, for translating WebGUI into other languages?23:49
+perlDreamerYou can download and install a French language pack23:49
+perlDreamerit's about 38% translated23:49
+perlDreameror, if you wish, you can actually use that website to contribute back to the project by translating things that aren't done yet23:50
citronizedwow, cool way to share, i think :)23:51
+perlDreamerYeah.  Since I mainly speak english, I try to write tests and help people out in the forums and here on IRC.23:51
citronizedperhaps i can help them in spanish too :)23:51
+perlDreamerthat would be cool23:52
+perlDreamerthere's been a group from Colombia working on the Spanish translation for a while23:52
+perlDreamerthey've done a huge amount of work23:52
citronizedI still haven't read anything about hosting, is there particular server settings needed ?23:53
+perlDreamerthat's how to do a source install23:54
citronizedcool :)23:55
+perlDreamerthe wiki has a ton of info on using and installing WebGUI23:56
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citronizedmmmh... the source install seems a bit tricky for me :o23:57
+perlDreamerwell, you can use the WRE, but you'd need to move your other configs over to its apache23:58
+perlDreamerit might be better to use a different server than your main one for initial tinkering23:59
citronizedwell, my "server" is my iMac :)23:59
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+perlDreamerthat's actually good, since the main WebGUI devs all use Macs00:00
+perlDreamerit will mean fewer hiccups00:00
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citronizedwhat are hiccups ?00:01
+perlDreamerwith respect to computers, problems or glitches00:01
citronizedok, aka bugs ? :)00:02
+perlDreamerwith respect to people, it's when the diaphragm muscle contracts quickly00:02
citronizedright, i get it ;)00:02
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citronizedto host webgui do I need more then apache, MySQL and PHP ?00:04
+perlDreamerno PHP, perl00:05
+perlDreamerperl and mod_perl00:05
+perlDreamerand yes, you do00:05
citronizedoh, ok00:05
+perlDreamera ton of perl modules00:05
+perlDreamerit should all be there in the wiki page00:06
citronizedso an Unix server i guess ?00:06
+perlDreamerno, it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux/Unix00:06
+perlDreamerwell, Macs nowadays are really BSD/Unix based00:06
citronizedi'm gonna look deeper in the wiki then ;)00:07
citronizedsure they are00:07
citronizedmy present personal website use Joomla, but it seems that webgui is even more intuitive :)00:08
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citronizedI'm wondering about the client side code, are the webgui site W3C compliant ?00:11
@preactionyes. it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict with a text/html doctype00:11
citronizedthat's a really good news :)00:12
+perlDreamercitronized: you said this is for a library?00:13
citronizedkind of, yup00:13
citronizedabout mini cars :)00:13
citronizeddie-cast and stuff :)00:14
+perlDreamersounds fun00:14
citronizedI allready have some 16.000 refs for my DB00:14
citronizedbut i want it collaborative00:14
citronizedi want people to share, build a kind of qualitative library :)00:15
citronizedwith some control on what people post and share00:16
citronizeddunno if it's hard to make a form to write records in an separate DB ?00:17
+perlDreamerfor that, either use the SQL Form or the new Thingy that is coming out (end of May)00:21
+perlDreamerfor simple reporting, use the SQL Report00:21
citronizedseems easy :)00:27
+perlDreamerfor the most part it is.00:28
citronizedi guess it can be more tricky to control the data00:28
citronizedor stuff like that :)00:29
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citronizedare those perl module enough to install webgui ? (i may host my site there :) )00:49
+perlDreamerwill this hoster give you command line access to your site?00:51
citronizeddunno :-/00:51
+perlDreameryou have to have command line access to install WebGUI on another hoster00:51
+perlDreamerin order to start up spectre and edit the config files00:52
citronizedright, i've seen that in the installation guide, but i haven't though that the hoster would need it :o00:53
citronizedmaybe I should start building a local server, but will I be able to migrate it to another host, later ?00:54
+perlDreameryes, as long as you have command line access00:55
+perlDreameror, you could use a WebGUI hoster, like Plain Black or Procolix00:55
+perlDreamerPlain Black does a lot of hosting here in the US, and Procolix is a Dutch company00:55
citronizedcan they host french sites ?00:57
citronizedi guess not00:57
+perlDreamersure, I don't see why not00:57
citronizeddunno, sometimes, internet isn't that virtual :)00:57
citronizeddoes plain black allows upgrades ? I mean if my site become serious, will I be able to upgrade datastorage and stuff ?00:59
citronizedcool :)01:00
citronizedi should take a look to plain black offers, then :)01:00
citronizedwhat is the best beginners hosting ? :) 01:02
+perlDreamerunsupported, basic hosting is $20/month01:03
+perlDreamerhosting with support is $50/month01:04
@rizena lot of people start out with the $50/mo package and then downgrade to the $20 once they're comfortable01:04
+perlDreamernot speaking Dutch, I can't tell you how the comparable rates are for Procolix01:04
citronizednot speakin dutch either :)01:05
+perlDreamerrizen: will Thingy require an extra db like the SQL Form?01:05
@rizenif you email koen@procolix.nl he will speak English with you01:06
citronizedok, ty rizen ;)01:06
+perlDreamerneed to reboot, be back in a bit01:09
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citronizedseems that plain black is slightly cheaper, and provide more :)01:17
citronizedok guys, thank for your help, it's a bit late here, I need some sleep :)01:19
+perlDreamergood night01:19
citronizedhope i'll see you around ;)01:19
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+perlDreamerhopefully we helped another new WebGUI user today :)01:21
@rizenperlDreamer rulez01:30
@rizenif i had to do my PBWG interview over again, on the "What is WebGUI's killer feature?" question, I'd answer: perlDreamer01:31
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+perlDreamerthanks, dude01:44
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6290 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 02:06
CIA-5WebGUI: Handle null productNumbers in the Product variant translation.02:06
CIA-5WebGUI: Update the product loading script to add more products.02:06
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snapcountyes it finally works!03:41
snapcountI wrote a POE daemon with IKC that wraps a POE IRC bot03:42
snapcountso I can send messages to chat channels from other perl scripts with like three lines of code03:42
snapcountI wanted to use the CIA thing but our repos is not public03:43
snapcountand installing it on your own server was... well a bit messy03:43
snapcountif anyone is interested I'll give you the code... it's very very simple03:44
snapcountbut works nicely03:44
snapcountanyways... gotta head home... bbl03:44
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patspamcan anyone give me a heads-up on the current state of play with Survey 2.0? I didn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta?05:22
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@preactionpatspam, it will hopefully be in 7.5.11. the author says his deadline for his sponsors is this week05:51
@preactionpatspam, if you want to try it, there's a Survey 2.0 branch in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch05:51
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patspamah fantastic, thanks preaction06:10
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+perlDreamerrizen: art thou awake?06:54
+perlDreamerI need some help designing the variant table to work with collateral07:29
+perlDreamerIt's probably easier than I'm making it07:29
+perlDreamerbut I'll catch you tomorrow07:29
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BartJolawfully quiet here11:45
BartJolwell let me state a question then11:45
BartJolI try to turn on my awstats11:45
BartJol[Fri May 02 10:31:14 2008] [error] [client] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /data/wre/prereqs/wwwroot/awstats.pl11:46
BartJolthis error comes up11:46
BartJolI tried to add ExecCGI to alle the necessary options11:46
BartJolbut no result and my modproxy want restart because of it11:47
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BartJolhee knowmad, already figured out the unconditionalRead stuff?15:17
ckotilIs there a way to prevent a subset of assets from getting indexed by search?15:22
ckotilusers want a 'staging area' on the production sites. bleh15:23
+MrHairgreasewell, you could limit the scope of the search assets15:23
+MrHairgreaseyou can select the brach it searches trhough15:23
+MrHairgreaseor you could set the privs of the assets toi something visitors don't see15:24
ckotilyah, that could work. but i have a global search that searches from root on down. perhaps i can tweak that a little.15:24
ckotilyah, that could work. ill try it out. thanks MrHairgrease 15:24
+MrHairgreaseyou prolly don't want that anyway since that also include all the stuff in the import node15:24
knowmadhi BartJol; yes, i got the answer i was needing15:25
ckotilyour right :)15:25
+MrHairgreaseno problemo15:25
ckotilnoones complained about that tho. im waiting to hear somehting like 'what are all these templates doing in search?'15:25
BartJolgood to hear15:25
knowmadyeah, and the code I wrote appears to be working!15:25
knowmadyeah, we have a team of 20 working round the clock on a queue; had some record locking problems that was causing multiple users to get the same record from the queue which is bad in many ways15:26
BartJoldoesn't sound good, and 20 people?! whoah15:28
knowmadyeah, there's lots of potential for race conditions15:28
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CIA-5WebGUI: martin * r6292 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a bug that prevented updating the cart16:36
+MrHairgreaserizen, are you awake?16:36
+MrHairgreaseI cannot set a shipping address16:42
+MrHairgreaseno errors16:42
+MrHairgreaseso i strated digging16:42
@rizenit's because i programmed that in there to prevent you from doing it16:42
+MrHairgreasein the end i added an eval in the address book content handler16:43
+MrHairgreaseand then it gave me a 'cannot call method session on an undefined value in line 433'16:43
+MrHairgreasethat is in Shop::AddressBook->www_view16:44
+MrHairgreaseoh crap16:44
+MrHairgreasefound it i think16:44
+MrHairgreaselet me try16:44
+MrHairgreaseyeah that seems to do it16:46
+MrHairgreasethe problem was this:16:46
+MrHairgreaseif (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $sub->() }16:46
+MrHairgreasei changed that to 16:47
+MrHairgreaseif (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $cart->$method() }16:47
+MrHairgreasewhy is that construction used anyway?16:48
@rizenthat was something i was trying out, and forgot to put back16:50
+MrHairgreaseI'll turn it into the working state then16:50
@rizengraham said it would work, but it didn't16:50
@rizensorry about that16:50
+MrHairgreasenm, chasing weird bugs keeps me off the streets16:51
+MrHairgreasequestion about the subscriptions16:51
+MrHairgreaseshould I implement the subscription code thing on a per supscription basis16:51
+MrHairgreasetaht is, put it in the subscription asset16:51
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@rizenyes please16:52
@rizenand we'll remove the "redeem subscription" link from the profile links16:52
@rizenwhich nobody could ever find anyway16:52
+MrHairgreaseyeah, and move that into the asset of course16:52
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ckotilwow, im performing a ginourmous cut/paste. its taking a whle, i hope it doesnt time out.16:57
ckotilthankfully, on a test instance.16:57
ckotil:x thought it was , anyway.17:03
ckotilworked out.17:03
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+MrHairgreaseyay, the basic subscription stuff works17:21
+MrHairgreaseproceeding with the codes17:21
BartJoloh rizen maybe this is a nice wuc theme "By God, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen!" (Samuel Pepys, English marine officer)17:23
+MrHairgreaseBart, I'm not sure whether that is a Good Thing...17:24
+MrHairgreasebut it's true anyway =)17:25
BartJolwell, from JT's point of biew it is17:25
BartJoland it's historical reoccurring it seems17:25
BartJolthe feeling, that is17:25
+MrHairgreasehm, I have not a specific feeling about shitting devils17:26
BartJollijkt me wel wat17:27
+MrHairgreaseals jij ze nou even pakt, dan krijg je em van oqapi17:27
CIA-5WebGUI: martin * r6293 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Shop.pm: Reverted a problem which caused the address book content handler to fail17:42
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ckotilanyone have a file import script that also handles directories? turning them into folder assets? fileImport.pl doesnt seem to do that.18:02
+MrHairgreaseThat's been on my todo list for a long time18:02
+MrHairgreasebut I never have found the tim eto do it18:03
ckotilthis siteimport.pl might do it actually. but its a pain to use.18:03
+MrHairgreaseIt shouldn't be to difficult though18:03
ckotilheh, im not a very good programmer.18:03
dionaktopsub created a modified version of fileImport.pl to create folders recently.18:06
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dionakbasically, the method checked to see if the folder already existed. if not, addChild is called with the className WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder to create it18:10
+MrHairgreaserizen: looking at the original code it seems that it was possible to tie multiple subscriptions to a subscription code18:13
+MrHairgreasehowever the form element seems to have allowed only one18:13
+MrHairgreaseis it okay to have a one-to-one subscription<->code relation?18:14
ckotildionak: is the modified script posted in contributions?18:16
dionakno, it's not. it's not generalized...18:17
dionakbut the basic idea is there18:17
dionakhas anyone done subscriptions in 7.4.29? I've been asked to do this. I know you guys are working on it for 7.5.x18:18
+MrHairgreaseyeah they exist in 7.4 too18:18
+MrHairgreasethat is the old commerce system18:18
dionakok, let me dig around a bit...18:18
+MrHairgreasethere in the admin console18:19
+MrHairgreasegotta gop18:19
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dionaki just setup some subscriptions but when i try to subscribe, the site reports 'Shipping is not possible because no shipping plugins are enabled'. why would i need shipping for subscriptions? 18:47
dionakor is this what you guys are addressing?18:47
dionakbtw, i got the info from the administrator's guide. very helpful18:48
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@rizenshipping determines tax rate19:02
@rizenwhether you ship something or not19:02
dionakbut how does that tie to subscriptions? there's no option in relation to a subscription for shipping.19:11
dionaki see that for product19:11
dionakoh, wait..19:12
dionaki see. i just enabled shipping in the commerce admin console19:13
+perlDreamerrizen: do you have time to talk about the product variant table?19:19
@rizeni will in a few, i'll let you know19:20
@rizenyou can start typing your questions if you want19:20
+perlDreamerI'll start with the background19:21
+perlDreamertable definition at docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl, line 59519:21
+perlDreamerI was thinking that variants should be more Product collateral, so that their display order can be rearranged by the user19:22
+perlDreamerI wanted to use the variant sku as the primary key19:22
+perlDreamerhowever, the collateral code won't let me use arbitrary keys as collateral indexes19:22
+perlDreamerit really wants to use GUIDs19:23
+perlDreamersimilarly, it prefers to use assetId to identify parentage, but I was planning on using mastersku (sku of parent asset) 19:23
+perlDreamerthat's all to support inventory sync'ing19:24
+perlDreamerso then I built a table schema that has variant sku, mastersku, assetId and variantId19:24
+perlDreamerand it seems like wasted space19:24
+perlDreamerI'm worrying too much about something in there, but I can't figure out what19:24
+perlDreamerI'm curious how you'd do this, but more importantly, why you would make the decisions you'd make to arrive at a solution19:25
@rizenfirst, don't store mastersku with the variant19:25
@rizenmastersku is changable by the user19:25
@rizenso the relationship has to be maintained by assetId19:26
@rizenand also, sku is changable by user, therefore using a variantid guid is still a good idea, and therefore collateral still works19:26
@rizenyou should never use something changable by a user a as a primary key19:27
@rizenso how i would do it is to have a table that looks like:19:27
@rizencreate table Product_variant ( variantId varchar(22) binary not null primary key, assetId varchar(22) binary not null, sku varchar(35) binary not null, ........, sequenceNumber int not null default 1, index assetId_sequenceNumber (assetId, sequenceNumber))19:29
@rizeneven better would be to move all the collateral tables of product into json blob fields as mediumtext into the product, so that the product could be deployed as a package or a prototype19:30
+perlDreamerfrom what I've seen, packages can be deployed with collateral19:31
+perlDreamerand I've already gone down the path of JSON madness, and it was no fun19:31
@rizenpackages can be19:31
+perlDreamerbut not prototypes19:31
@rizenbut you still lose out on versioning and prototypes19:31
@rizenthe json stuff isn't necessary if you don't want to do it...i just think it would be better19:32
+perlDreamerin either case, still need to work out the schema19:32
@rizenthe schema for what?19:33
+perlDreamerif you grab the 2008-04 log from mentalhouse and look at line 11509, you'll see that we decided that we needed master sku in the variant for inventory sync'ing19:33
@rizeni just gave you the schema for variant19:33
@rizenno we didn't19:33
@rizenwe need a master sku19:33
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@rizenwe DON'T need it in the variant19:34
@rizenwe have it in the product19:34
@rizenthe product inherits sku from WebGUI::Asset::Sku19:34
@rizenso we have our master sku right there19:34
@rizenand varients have assetId19:34
@rizenso you have the relationship19:34
+perlDreamerokay, I'm straightened out19:36
+perlDreamerso my apprenticeship lessons are:19:37
+perlDreamer1) Don't get confused by CSV requirements and table schemas19:38
+perlDreamer2) Don't use anything the user can touch as a primary key19:38
@rizenoh...and that JSON blobs, while tricky, aren't bad19:39
@rizenthey give users more features19:39
@rizenand per my black blog posting today, they may actually become a requirement for collateral storage19:39
* perlmonkey2 really needs to get his feedreader working with wG.19:40
+perlDreamerwell, I'll try to get my feet wet then19:40
@apeironhmm, has anyone thought about using http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ for the various admin console / func=edit type features in wG? Basically it allows for word processor-like undo/redo and the like for Webapps.19:44
@rizeni've thought about firing you for making suggestions19:45
+perlmonkey2apeiron: wow19:45
+perlDreamerI thought you were trying to give him a complex19:45
@rizenbut then i realized that your a valuable employee19:45
@apeironYou know, psychologically abusing people like that can make them lash out.19:46
@rizeni'm just trying to get you pumped up for the annual Plain Black golden gloves tournament. You're in my weight class aren't you?19:48
dionaki need to get more input on subscriptions. we have a publication site that has several types of subscriptions. for instance, one group has access to 5 publications, another 6. so we made a group for each publication and then subscription groups, like 'Member' and 'Member Plus'. I created subscriptions and assigned them to each group ('Member', 'Member Plus'). 19:48
@rizenyou're right so far dionak19:49
dionakWhat I'd like to see happen is that when a subscription expires, the user is prompted to subscribe again. How can I set this up so a user is prompted to renew the type of subscription they had and test this?19:49
dionakbtw, i've been updating the wiki as I go along here19:50
+perlDreamerisn't there a group expire message field in the group?19:50
CIA-5WebGUI: graham * r6294 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): removed legacy wgFieldUserData table19:50
+perlDreamerexipreNotify, expireOffset, expireNotifyMessage19:51
+perlDreamernot sure if they're exposed through the group interface yet...19:51
+perlDreameryes it is19:52
dionakso when the subscription expires, the user is expired from the subscription group based on the subscription term or group expiration, or both?19:53
+perlDreamerI _think_ they're tied together, so both19:54
+perlDreamerthe group is created based on the subscription?19:54
dionakand the notify occurs via email....19:54
+perlDreameralso the WebGUI Inbox19:54
dionakwell, the group is associated with the subscription.19:54
dionakso i could use the GroupText macro to test if they are in the group and, if not, i would need to send them back through the commerce piece to choose a subscription.19:55
dionakno way to know what group they were in..19:55
dionaki'm thinking of the web interface only here19:55
+perlDreamerDifferent macros for different groups19:55
+perlDreamerwell, same macro, different instances checking for different group membership19:56
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+perlDreamerThe user's group expire date is set by the subscription, see the apply method in WebGUI::Subscription19:56
+perlDreamerso it will work correctly19:56
dionakbut they would be expired from a group, correct?19:56
dionakso how would i know what their subscription was?19:57
dionakit's not critical but i'm curious19:57
dionaki guess i could look it up in one of the subscription tables?19:57
+perlDreameryou _could_ write a counterpart to the GroupText macro that only displayed text if the user was about to expire19:57
+perlDreamerit would check the Group's expire notify offset settings and display text appropriately19:58
+perlDreamermight be a good core addition too, to complement C219:59
dionakhm, i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be entertaining (and short) to write but i don't think it fits this situation. we altered search.pm to make a public search. if a user doesn't have permission, i want to prompt them to login or expire. i think i can do this via the login template20:01
+perlDreamerif you can, it should save you the time of writing and testing the macro, so it sounds like a good call20:07
CIA-5WebGUI: graham * r6295 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Importing data can fail with some internal field Ids20:18
dionakthanks for the input. i'm going to try that route20:21
CIA-5WebGUI: yung * r6296 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with add_url tmpl_var permissions20:40
CIA-5WebGUI: yung * r6297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix: Thingy: edit thing doesn't show any saved properties20:40
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ckotilany idea why a 78k pdf would appear to be 3MB in webgui? 21:32
+perlmonkey2Is there a trick to gettign modproxy to like new certs and keys?  I just copied over my existing ones from apache.21:33
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ckotiloh i see. the asset has a brazillion revisions.22:03
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CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6298 /WebGUI/ (t/Cache lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm t/Cache/Database.t): added some database cache tests while testing out a theory, the theory is busted, but at least we have some more tests23:28
+perlDreamerrizen, what was the theory?23:32
@rizenit was actually haarg's theory. the idea was that if we cached the prepared statement on database backed cache we'd get a significant performance boost since the query to retrieve cache might be used a hundred times per request23:33
@rizenhowever, if there was a performance gain, it was so small it couldn't be measured by Time::HiRes23:34
@rizenit was a great theory23:34
@rizenunfortunately it just didn't hold water, which is too bad23:34
+perlDreamerI've heard of other things like that at OSCON talks23:35
+perlDreamercached queries, memcached being a huge performance gain23:35
@rizenhow big of a gain could it be if it's so small that it can't be measured by Time::HiRes23:38
@rizenthe difference is statistically insignificant23:39
+perlDreamerI believe you23:39
@rizenThen again, we are talking about measuring things than are are less than 0.003 seconds23:39
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charleyhankinsHi!  Anyone here really familiar with Thingy?00:21
+perlDreamerhave you checked the forums and the bug list?00:21
charleyhankinsyeah.  I've been working in the forums.00:21
+perlDreamerare you having problems, or asking for best practices, or something else?00:22
charleyhankinsI'm using it, but having a couple of issues.  wondering if anyone could help me out.00:22
+perlDreamerI'll give it a shot00:22
+perlDreamerwhat's up?00:22
charleyhankinsthanks.  basically i need my thingy search to operate like this: http://goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work00:22
charleyhankinsbut having trouble with the category drop down.00:23
+perlDreamerwhat kind of trouble?00:23
charleyhankinsI'm here: http://web402.plainblack.net/home/great-place-to-live/chamber-of-commerce/membership00:23
charleyhankinsas you can see.  the drop down pulls directly from the dbase.  And when I search using it, it returns no results.00:24
charleyhankinsI also need it be be alphabetical.00:24
@rizeni don't have time to look at it, but if the search isn't working then it very well could be a bug00:25
@rizenas far as alphabetical, that would be an RFE00:25
+perlDreameryeah, I'd say you found a bug00:25
@rizenalthough i think that RFE has already been implemented in 7.5.1100:25
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@rizenwhich won't be released until after May 31st00:25
+perlDreamercharleyharkins: you have a paid support contract from Plain Black?00:26
charleyhankinsproblem is, I need this fixed by monday.00:26
charleyhankinsbut it's slow going. 00:26
@rizenthen post your questions there00:26
charleyhankinsi have.00:26
@rizenyou have only basic support, which guarantees a response within 48 hours...so yeah, it will be a bit slow going00:27
@rizenand since it's 4:27 on a friday00:27
@rizeni guarantee you that any problems you are having with thingy will not be resolved by monday00:27
charleyhankinsi've been working with this for weeks.00:27
charleyhankinsanyway, thanks for your help.00:27
@rizenreport the bug00:28
@rizenbut regarding having problems...i'm sure that this was explained to you when you signed up for the beta server00:28
@rizenit is a beta after all.=)00:28
charleyhankinssure.  let me ask you this question then.  Is there another way to accomplish this within WebGUI? http://www.goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work00:29
@rizeni have no idea what i'm looking at00:30
@rizenlooks like a page to me00:30
+perlDreamersearch function with text entry fields and some dropdowns00:30
@rizeni see a webgui site00:30
@rizenare you guys seeing something else?00:30
@rizenhmmm...my dns must be screwed up00:31
+perlDreamerI see a search form with text fields and dropdowns for selecting categories00:31
charleyhankinsi have a db of businesses.  they need to be searchable by business name, last name, category.  The category needs to be drop down box.00:31
@rizenhave you chosen "Select Box" as your field type in Thingy?00:32
@rizenfor category00:32
charleyhankinsyes.  and it is when editing the field, but the search box is always a text box.00:32
@rizenif you have, then it will be a dropdown in the search00:32
charleyhankinsno, it's not.00:32
@rizenif it's not display a dropdown in search then that's a bug00:33
@rizenthe search should display the same field type as the edit form00:33
charleyhankinscan i create a seperate dropdown search for that particular field in the search template?00:33
@rizeni don't know i haven't looked into the templates that much00:33
charleyhankinshow would I code that in particular?00:33
@rizenone thing you could do is create another Thing in that Thingy called "Category"00:34
@rizenand populate it with your list of categories00:34
@rizenthen that would drop down a list in the search00:34
charleyhankinsthat's what I have.  and it populates with categories, but does not return results.00:34
@rizenthen that's a bug and you should report it00:34
@rizenand as far as fixing it by Monday you're screwed00:35
charleyhankinsha!  ok. thanks.00:35
@rizenthe only other advice i have would be to try to create a category using the Radio List field type00:35
@rizenmaybe that would display as a radio list in the search results00:35
@rizenwhich is ugly00:35
@rizenbut at least it would work00:35
charleyhankinssure.  but, hey... right00:35
charleyhankinsi'll give it a go.00:36
+perlDreamerhow about not using the template field for that form, but building the select box with a SQL macro and HTML right in the template?00:36
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@apeironMay it be known, across the lands, for all to hear, that apeiron hates JS.01:06
@apeironWell, HTML and CSS, too.01:06
@apeironAnd SQL.01:06
+perlDreamerbtw, you're not doing too bad.  The message got to Oregon :)01:06
+perlDreamerHow does SQL rank against JS?01:07
@apeironOther projects I can use DBIx::Class and such.01:07
@apeironJS... there's no escape.01:07
+perlDreamerI like SQL better than JS01:07
+perlDreamerbecause you can hide behind a lot of perl :)01:07
@apeironThat doesn't make me 'like' SQL any more.01:08
@apeironIf I wasn't a teetotaler, JS would drive me to drink.01:08
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+perlmonkey2apeiron: or is it just the YUI?01:17
@apeironperlmonkey2, YUI is nice, but JS is JS and there's a hundred different little inconsistencies between browsers that don't exist in perlland.01:18
@apeiron(and the inconsistencies that *do* exist in perlland are documented in perldelta)01:18
+perlDreamerwell, to be fair, not all of them are01:19
+perlDreamerConsider working on Windows, Solaris, and Fedora01:19
+perlmonkey2YUI does insulate you against most of the browser problems.01:19
@apeironperldoc perlport. :)01:19
@apeironperlmonkey2, Yeah, when you're doing YUI things.01:19
+perlDreamerthat won't cover the fedora issues01:19
@apeironperldoc psychiatrist01:19
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@apeiron(preventative measures; they were in #perl spewing CCs and SSNs)01:28
+perlDreamerwhat is +b?01:28
@apeironcannot enter channel and if in channel when ban is placed, cannot speak or reenter01:29
nubaawesome, lets quickly /j #perl01:29
nubanow seriously, that sucks01:29
* apeiron nods01:30
nubaprobably some disaffected college student01:30
+perlDreameryeah, you know those college students01:30
+perlDreameralways causing trouble01:31
* apeiron looks around shiftily01:31
@apeironI've, uh, I've no idea what you're talking about!01:31
* perlDreamer seems to remember that nuba is similarly attending a place of higher education01:32
nubaim a college student here, CS baccaulaureate, but i've left the disaffected part behind already01:32
nubaim just too busy to spend time with that01:32
nubabut you can sense it around, anyway01:33
nubayoung people looking for trouble01:33
nubathose punks! 01:33
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+perlDreamereasy there, nuba02:01
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Lisettehello perlDreamer02:04
+perlDreamercongratulations on your team winning the t-shirt contest, lisette02:04
Lisettei have a question around apache02:04
Lisettei can use the apace 1.3.x?02:05
+perlDreamerI don't think so.  Apache 2.x02:05
+perlDreamermainly because of mod_perl 2.x02:05
+perlDreameryou could try it, but no promises on how it works02:05
+perlDreamerPorque quiere usar un Apache tan viejo?02:12
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CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6299 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): started migrating ems data07:04
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CIA-5WebGUI: jt * r6300 /WebGUI/ (15 files in 10 dirs): The concept of "realtime" workflow has been eliminated. Instead all workflows are now realtime (synchronous), and roll over to be asynchronous if they cannot complete succesfully and immediately.08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6301 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: Product variant creation is held off until we can finalize08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: the variant code.08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: Began building JSON based variant code, and a test for08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: verifying how it works. set, get and delete collateral08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: are implemented. Still need to build moveUp and moveDown.08:55
CIA-5WebGUI: Lots of tests to be written.08:55
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+perlDreamerrizen:  You late night hackin' monster!18:37
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+perlDreamerrizen: you were right (again).  Properly encapsulated, this JSON stuff isn't so bad.22:33
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6302 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/ProductCollateral.t: more product collateral tests23:55
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6303 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): deleteCollateral tests, and detab Sku/Product.pm23:55
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+perlDreamerrizen: would it be bad to make moveUp and moveDown collateral to wrap around (in the new Product collateral)?00:33
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+perlDreamerapeiron, preaction_: what's the SQL subquery for getting the latest revision of all assets in a table?01:21
+perlDreamerSELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate;01:22
+perlDreamerthat's close, but not quote enough01:22
+perlDreamerthis is closer: SELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate     WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(revisionDate) FROM Product);01:22
+perlDreamerI need a max revisionDate for each assetId01:24
+perlDreamerbecause that gives me the biggest in the whole table01:24
@apeironHow does the latter differ from that?01:24
+perlDreamerlet's say I have three assets, a1, a2, a301:24
+perlDreamereach was committed one minute apart01:25
+perlDreamermy last query will only give me 1 asset, from a301:25
+perlDreamerrather than the latest versions of a1 and a201:25
+perlDreamerthe good news is that JSON based collateral is working01:27
+perlDreamerI just can't upgrade from Wobject based products to Sku based products because of the query01:27
+perlDreamerI'll grind on it while I'm taking the tiller to the shop.01:27
+perlDreamerthanks for listening, apeiron!01:28
@apeironI may have a solution, trying it out.01:28
@apeironHave you thought of putting a WHERE clause in the subquery?01:28
@apeiron(for the assetId)01:28
+perlDreamerno, I hadn't02:34
+perlDreamerthe problem is that I don't know at that point which assetId I want, since the query returns them02:36
+perlDreamermaybe I need to dig into AssetLineage and see what's going on there02:37
+perlDreameror the Template form variable02:37
+perlDreamergot it02:42
+perlDreamerSELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate     WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(Product.revisionDate) FROM Product where Product.assetId=a.assetId);02:42
+perlDreamerpreaction_ is going to get mad if I keep doing that02:43
+perlDreamerapeiron: you were exactly right02:45
+perlDreamerI'm just too SQL-newbified to understand02:45
+perlDreamerthanks for the tip, dude!02:45
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@apeironperlDreamer, About the SQL stuff yesterday, was really just a guess on my part. :)18:49
+perlDreamera good one :)18:51
+perlDreamerwith perl, instinct is a valuable commodity18:55
* apeiron nods, emphatically.18:57
+perlDreamerokay, this is embarrasing19:04
+perlDreamerI need some perl help19:04
+perlDreamerI have an array ref19:04
+perlDreamerI want to make a safe copy of it19:04
+perlDreamerso I start with $ref19:04
+perlDreamermy @copy = @{ $ref }19:04
+perlDreamerI modify @copy19:04
+perlDreamerand right now I'm seeing changes in $ref19:04
@apeironI've seen a module to do this, I think.19:05
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@apeironperlDreamer, Storable has a dclone() that you can use.19:06
@rizenif that's showing changes in the ref then i think that webgui is broken all over the place19:06
+perlDreamerI'm going to boil it down and figure it out19:06
@rizencuz that's always how i make copies of array refs19:06
@apeironperlDreamer, Does your usage vary much from http://webgui.pastebin.com/d20f4191e ?19:08
@apeironThat DWYM.19:08
+perlDreameroh crap19:10
+perlDreamernow I get it19:10
+perlDreamerI'm still dealing with references19:10
+perlDreamerperldoc Storable19:11
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+perlDreamerthis works better19:16
+perlDreamerI had to iterate over the array anyway19:16
sanyock3Hi All19:16
+perlDreamerHi, sanyock319:16
+perlDreamerDo you have some webgui questions?19:16
sanyock3Sure ;)19:17
+perlDreamerrizen: Have you looked at the new JSON collateral methods?  If I'm way off base, it would be good to know before I get too far along.19:20
@rizenno but i will19:20
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6306 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 19:24
CIA-5WebGUI: Convert accessories over to the new Product collateral methods.19:24
CIA-5WebGUI: Add a method to get the JSON collateral indexed, for easy access to indeces.19:24
CIA-5WebGUI: Add tests for the new getIndexedCollateralData method.19:24
CIA-5WebGUI: In the upgrade script, put variants in all versions of the Product. Begin19:24
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CIA-5WebGUI: work on converting the collateral tables over to JSON.19:24
@rizenlooks like you're on the right track19:25
+perlDreamer(phew) good.  Thanks for the review.19:25
@rizenthough when i genericize it for use in other assets there are a few things i'd change19:26
+perlDreamerokay, what does it need?19:26
@rizenfirst, while for your purposes of conversion the word "table" makes sense, but to people that never saw table based collateral, it makes no sense19:26
+perlDreamerwould $collateral be a better variable to use?  Or something else?19:27
@rizenand it adds to confusion because databases have tables, but json doesn19:27
@rizensecond, i wouldn't make it part of the asset, but rather a separate object that the asset can use similar to VersionTag or Keywords19:28
+perlDreamerI was thinking in the long term this would become a mixin19:28
@rizenso you'd do: my $collateral = WebGUI::JsonCollateral->new($self, $fieldName);19:29
@rizenmaybe it will, i'm still not convinced about mixins yet though19:29
+perlDreamerHey, if you want it top-level, top-level it is19:29
@rizeni'm still leaning toward separate objects19:29
@rizenfor the purposes of this though19:30
@rizendon't worry about those things19:30
@rizenjust get it done19:30
@rizengiven the time constraints you don't have time to make this perfect19:30
@rizenbesides, i've changed the spec of products on you enough during this19:31
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+perlDreameronly once.  I just keep flip-flopping implementations19:31
@rizenonce is enough19:31
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itnomadI'm getting ready to install webgui on a CentOS server. I am confused by the instructions for DNS setup. Not much experience there. I am using one site on a computer that I access only by numbered address. Eventually I will get a domain name for this, but for now can I skip the DNS setup or do I have to make up a name for the WRE to use locally?20:08
itnomadWhere it says "add your first site"; sitename='can I use a numbered address here?'20:13
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+perlDreameritnomad, I'm not a WRE user, but I don't see why not20:15
itnomadBy now my nubiness must be clear to all. I have an intranet with a couple computers and am using a router and port forwarding.20:16
itnomadI guess I just need to jump in and give it a shot.20:16
+perlDreameritnomad, we've all started there.  Don't feel bad because you're new.20:16
itnomadI should go ahead and learn about the /etc/hosts file anyway. It's just that there is so much to do and so little time. Thanks for the encouragement perlDreamer.20:17
+perlDreameritnomad, if you're truly in a time crunch to set this up, have you considered having someone setup and host your site for you?20:18
@rizenitnomad use the domain name that you think you'll be using when you luanch20:19
@rizenfor example20:19
@apeironThen you can put that in /etc/hosts, right?20:19
@rizenyes, and then add an entry to /etc/hosts20:20
@rizen10.0.0.1  www.itnomad.com20:20
@rizenreplace with your numbered ip20:20
@rizenthen you can still access the site using (or whatever your ip is)20:21
@rizenbut the WRE is expecting a domain...not an ip address20:21
itnomadokay...got it. That helps a lot!20:21
itnomadThank you ... onward with the installation.20:22
+perlDreamerrizen: accessory collateral converted over to JSON collateral.  The upgrade process has been tested, but I still need to test the UI.20:28
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6307 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 20:34
CIA-5WebGUI: Convert accessory collateral to JSON based accessory collateral.20:34
CIA-5WebGUI: Add a product with accessory collateral to loadProducts.pl to test the upgrade.20:34
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itnomadinstallation was painless once I got past that one hump. I went ahead and bought the domain I will be using and put in /etc/hosts with my local ip. Everything is working. Thanks again for the help.  Now for some exercise.22:27
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+perlmonkey2I would like to mark today as a day of celebration.  Microsoft has, at least for now, given up its bid to buy Yahoo.22:42
+perlDreamerMotion seconded22:49
+perlDreamerany comments from the floor?22:49
+perlDreamerbarring comments from floor, or an override from the commissioner, motion is passed.22:53
+perlmonkey2hah, perlDreamer++23:14
@rizeni object23:20
+perlDreamerthe committee recognizes the commissioner23:27
+perlDreamerWould you please detail the objection for the record?23:27
@rizeni would like to designate today as a day of sour grapes23:27
@rizeni mean, did you read that pity party of a letter that balmer released to the public23:28
@rizenhe's so pissed off that someone would thwart his advances, that he's attempting to devalue Yahoo!'s stock price by saying they don't know how to run their own business23:29
@rizenin addition, he talks as if he knows so much about the search business...but if he did, would his company really be a distant 3rd place contender...and note that he's talking to the 2nd place contender here23:30
@rizentherefore i designate today as a day of sour grapes23:31
+perlDreamerthe committee would like suggest that we combine the celebration and sour grapes to be a day of "Neener neener boo boo".23:31
@rizeni really want to post what i just said to the black blog, but me thinks that it probably wouldn't be appropriate23:32
+perlDreamerjust pull the concept out of it, and write about that23:33
+perlDreamerpoor sportsmanship, mud-slinging don't work well with open source23:33
@rizenwhat fun would that be23:34
@rizenoh, and steve balmer can't do math23:35
@rizenin his letter he claimed that they offered an additional $1 per share (raising it to $33 from $32 per share) which was also rejected23:36
@rizenand he said that extra $1/share was going to cost $5 billion23:36
@rizenlater in the letter he said that yahoo would not settle for anything less than $37 per share23:36
@rizenwhich would cost an additional $5 billion or more23:36
@rizenhow is it that $1/share and $4/share both equal $5 billion23:37
+perlDreamerunless the number of shares offered are different, they aren't23:37
+perlmonkey2It is always fun to see a company, lacking in even the remotest spec of integrity, fall on its face.23:39
@rizenbut in far more important news:23:41
+perlDreamerI already miss the new commerce system23:42
@rizenyou already miss it?23:44
@rizenoh...you're working on the old one for that contract23:45
@rizenwhat's funny is that i'm writing the same thing you are23:45
@rizenonly for the new one23:45
@rizen$0 transactions23:45
@rizenright at this very moment23:45
+perlDreamerhave to take a small break23:45
+perlDreamerI have a very important snake tungue surgery to perform23:46
+perlDreamerYesterday, I was an electrician23:52
+perlDreamerThis morning, a programmer23:52
+perlDreamerthis afternoon, a veterinarian23:52
+perlDreamerwhat a day23:52
+perlDreamerplus, I caught a cold23:53
+perlmonkey2rizen: Should I address the cover letter to Frank?23:57
@rizenif you like23:57
@rizenhe is going to be the one who interviews you23:57
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6308 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProductManager.pm: price and weight checks were mangled in the ProductManager00:09
+perlDreamerare all WebGUI releases tagged in SVN?01:24
@rizenall releases in the past 6 months or so01:25
@rizenwe didn't do it before that01:25
@rizenmaybe not even that long ago...i don't remember exactly when we started it01:25
+perlDreamer7.4.16 is before the JSON fixes, so I'm guessing that it's too old01:25
+perlDreamerit's okay, I'll diff against an original source tree01:26
@rizenno i think 7.4.16 should be in the tags01:26
+perlDreamerI'll check01:26
@rizenlooks like we've been doing it since the 7.3 days01:27
@rizenok calling it quits for the day...ttyl01:40
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* perlDreamer continues with his journey01:43
+perlDreamerleaping from module to module01:43
+perlDreamerwriting wrongs from the past01:43
+perlDreamerand hoping that each one will show him the way home01:45
+perlDreameror at least to a cushy well paying job with Perl02:16
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6309 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm: fix for POD whitespace02:22
CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6310 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: final accessory changes. UI tests pass as well02:46
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+perlDreamerthis new collateral system is so simple, I wonder if the whole thing could be automated, ala the definition sub.02:52
+perlDreamerso when it found a collateral property, it would autogenerate all the move, and delete subs02:53
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enriquanhi all :)05:24
enriquannobody's here huh?05:29
enriquanI cant install webgui... cause my server's running apache05:30
enriquanand its my web host... so I dont think I can disable it05:30
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CIA-5WebGUI: colin * r6311 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert related over to JSON collateral07:01
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citronizedhello :)09:27
citronizedi'm trying to install Webgui on a mac... OS 10.509:28
citronizedi'm wondering if there's a special directory in a specific location to create for unpacking ?09:29
+Radix-wrkcitronized: I'm not familiar with installing it on a mac, but is there anything in the wiki about a mac install?09:30
+Radix-wrkI'm sure it'd be documented somewhere09:30
citronizedperhaps yup, i'm gonna have a look there :)09:31
+Radix-wrkmy guess though is that it's the same as for every other platform - you need a /data directory and everything goes under that - that's just a guess tho09:31
citronizedyes, but as I have several sessions, I dunno if I have to create the data dir at the root or in one admin session...09:31
@rizenisawaythe instructions are the same for *all* platforms, and the wre comes with them in docs/install.txt09:32
@rizenisawayjust follow it and you'll be fine09:32
citronizedok, I'll do that :) thank you two ;)09:33
+Radix-wrkyou're welcome09:33
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citronizedhello again, when i list the services, i have a warning displayed on page : Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.10:19
citronizedso i cannot start Apache Modproxy services :(10:19
citronizedi've tried using  a "root" session, but i have the same warning displayed :-/10:20
+Radix-wrkyou will need to be root to start webgui, yes, or any apache service.10:21
citronizedisn't there a way to start the service in command line, using the root login ?10:22
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citronizedok, found it10:33
citronizedthe command is : "data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start all"10:34
citronizedwith "su" before :)10:34
BartJoldo you know whether su retains the environment settings?10:35
citronizednope, no idea10:36
BartJolquite important10:36
BartJolI think when I sudo'd it didn't go well10:36
BartJoland you need root rights for -all10:37
+Radix-wrkerr.. not su10:37
+Radix-wrkor use su to get into root first, then run it I guess10:37
BartJolwell that works for me...10:38
BartJoloff course10:38
+Radix-wrkeither should work really10:38
+Radix-wrkbut you may have to configure sudo first to ensure you have privileges to do it10:38
BartJolwell I broke something so I can't test it right now10:38
+Radix-wrksu is easier imho10:39
+Radix-wrkbut sudo is technically safer :)10:39
+Radix-wrkboth give you root privs tho :)10:39
citronizedwell, i'm just trying to instal webgui to test it localy10:39
+Radix-wrkfair enough10:40
+Radix-wrkwebgui is great, but the installation is always the hardest part :)10:40
citronizedi can see that, yup !! :)10:40
BartJolwith the wre it's quite doable10:40
+Radix-wrkyou know about the demo.plainblack.com site right?10:40
citronizedyep, but it only last for 1 day, don't it ?10:41
BartJolit does10:41
BartJolor limited time anyway\10:41
+Radix-wrkwith the wre it should be doable in about half an hour.. but that assumes you have no mysql, no apache, perl, anything on that system already that might conflict or cause issues10:41
BartJolI had a clean server, that might make a difference10:42
+Radix-wrkyeah, I've found it makes the world of difference10:42
citronizedtook me less then one hour10:43
+Radix-wrkfor your first time that's excellent :)10:43
BartJolso before installing make sure it's clean with a sudo rm -rf / command10:43
BartJolsorry, to often made, this joke is10:43
BartJolI'm just not that original :)10:44
+Radix-wrkSee your nerd education is still rather lacking that's why Bart.. you're getting there tho :)10:44
citronizedhow do i quit the "root" mode in terminal ?10:45
+Radix-wrkyou can use the 'id' command to see what privileges you're running as at any time too10:46
+Radix-wrkit should say something like 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root)' if you're running as root10:46
+Radix-wrkand something like 'uid=501(jesse) gid=503(formsys)' if you're as a normal user10:47
BartJolbut I'm not called jesse?10:47
+Radix-wrkyes, be grateful for that one :)10:47
citronizedgives me that : uid=501(citronized) gid=501(citronized) groups=501(citronized),98(_lpadmin),80(admin)10:48
+Radix-wrkyup, so you're in a normal user session right now then10:48
+Radix-wrkid is handy if you're like me and logged into half a dozen different machines at any one time and can never remember who you logged in as10:49
citronizedi guess :)10:50
BartJolah, I'm only logged in to maximun three machines simultaneously 10:50
BartJolbut, I'm not yet as nerdy...10:50
+Radix-wrkWell I'm off home - going to see Iron Man tonight and looking forward to it!10:53
BartJolah, have fun10:53
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citronizedis there a way to custom used fonts for all pages ?11:02
BartJol? probably there is, but I'm not sure what you mean?11:03
BartJolin the css you can do that11:04
BartJolbut you can have a css in the head of the template or a separate css file11:04
citronizedthe content part use a serif font, i'd like to use a sans-serif font, i don't know how to manage this :)11:04
citronizedwhere is located this css ?11:05
BartJolso you just have to look at your template whether it has css directly in it or via a css file11:05
BartJolyou can see it in your template11:05
BartJolprobably somewhere in the import node or media folder11:05
citronizedright, in the import dir ;) ty11:07
BartJolif the template uses a css file, it should be defined in the head section of your template11:07
BartJolif you have bugzilla (if you use firefox) most of the time you also see what file is used11:08
BartJolthe name anyway11:08
citronizedi have the webdeveloper tools bar11:10
citronizedBartJol: do you know how can I add MySQL tables or DB ? Do I have to use the WRE console or there's a phpMyadmin like console ?11:22
BartJolI would just go into the mysql db11:24
BartJolbut with an sql form, maybe you are able to do it too11:24
BartJolbut I didn't work with that yet11:24
citronizedoh, ok...11:25
BartJolbut not via the wreconsole and there isn't a separate console for it11:25
citronizedok, i have to figured out how to manage that11:26
BartJoldo you want users to be able to do that? or you just want to add a table?11:27
citronizedi just want to add a table in order to manage some records which will be displayed in the site 11:29
BartJolfor an extra db, you have to make one in mysql, then add a database link inyour webgui settings11:29
citronizedi've seen that i have to do this link, but i dunno if there's a "phpMyadmin like" interface11:31
BartJolyour mysql user and password are in your WebGUI conf file11:31
BartJolwell, thingy might be able to do that11:31
BartJolbut that's only in the beta version11:32
BartJoland these also are local assets, so not page iwde11:32
citronizedexpected for the end of May, i've heard 11:32
BartJolyeah, well...11:33
BartJoldeadlines are easily passed11:33
citronizedi know, i know :)11:33
BartJolbut it will be somewhere around there11:33
BartJolit will be before the wuc11:33
citronizedwhat is the wuc ?11:34
BartJolthe webgui user conference11:34
BartJol29th of august in madison, wisconsin11:34
BartJolI believe11:34
citronizedoh ok :)11:35
BartJolit's nice, and you can get to meet all the famous wbegui nerds11:35
citronizedi won't be there :)11:35
citronizedtoo far for me11:35
BartJoltoo bad, 11:35
BartJolwe are going with around 12 dutchmen11:35
BartJoland it's far for us too11:36
citronizedi guess11:36
citronizedmaybe if i'm rich and have some holidays :)11:36
BartJola, we all get our tickets because it's our work11:37
BartJoland all give presentations11:37
BartJolwhere are you from then?11:38
citronizedfrom france :)11:38
citronizedyup, Mr. Nerd :)11:39
citronizedbut it's Strasbourg ;)11:39
BartJolthnaks, I consider that a compliment11:39
citronizedu can :)11:39
BartJolI know, my typing has to warm up11:39
BartJolwell, nice to have more persons in the some timezone here11:40
citronizedStraasbourg sounds too much german for me :)11:40
BartJolin dutch it's Straatsburg11:40
citronizedabout the tickets, it's not my job, even if i would like it :)11:41
BartJolmaybe a career change? :)11:42
citronizedi hope11:42
citronizedi'm bored with filemaker devs :)11:42
citronizedit's unusefull i think11:42
BartJolbut do you also work on the french translation? that would be a must for webgui in france11:43
BartJolalready 38 percent done11:43
citronizedI will11:44
citronizedi discuss of it here with another user, i can't remember his name :|11:45
citronizedsorry for him11:45
citronizedboth, as far as i can remember11:45
BartJolah, those are both sleeping11:46
citronizedi guess, last time i came, was the night here :)11:46
BartJolIs there something like a WebGUI community in France?11:46
citronizedi don't know :)11:46
citronizedi'm quite comfortable with english, so i didn't even look if one exists11:47
BartJolIn the Netherlands we have, if we have a bigger meeting would you like to come here?11:47
BartJolthat's not very far11:48
citronizedwhy not11:48
citronizedi was in Utrecht this w-e :)11:48
BartJolnice city11:48
citronizedfor a car meeting :)11:48
citronizedwell, not really cars, but CitroŽn's :)11:49
BartJolmm, Utrecht just banned SUV's from the city centre11:49
BartJolwell, the old Citroens are really nice11:49
citronizedthey really are, i think :)11:49
citronizedi'm a citroŽn scale model collector :)11:50
BartJolwell that's not reaaly my type of hobby11:50
citronizedand that a part of the point of my website project : buil a scalemodelslibrary :)11:50
BartJolbut, if you collect model cars, they can better be nice11:51
citronizedyeah, don't have enough $$ to buy real ones :)11:51
citronizedbut i have my grandfather '78 GS :)11:52
citronizedfor now, it's far enough for me ;)11:52
citronizedi have a xantia too, but that's for everyday11:54
citronizedwell, i'm gonna stop pissing u off with my cars stories :)11:54
BartJolah, well, I've gotta work too11:55
citronizedmaybe i see u later around ;)11:55
citronizedgood work then :)11:55
BartJolthanks, later11:55
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citronizedhi again :)13:49
citronizedis "Thingy" already available in beta ?13:50
BartJolbut it not yet fully done14:02
BartJols/it/it is/14:03
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citronizedu mean some functions aren't available ?15:02
BartJolwell I thought that the feature set isn't completed yet, but those that are should work15:03
citronizedhow ca i get this beta ?15:04
BartJoldownload it! :)15:04
citronizedi haven't found any links, that's why i ask :)15:05
BartJolthat is the location of the latest beta15:05
BartJolbut read the gotcha file after unpacking15:06
citronizedoh, ok, it's included in the webgui package :)15:07
BartJolyeah, probably in /data/WebGUI/docs15:07
citronizedi though it was  a PI or something like that :)15:07
BartJolno the api can be found via the wiki15:08
BartJolalso very usefull15:08
BartJolif you start to write your own code15:08
BartJolbut the gotcha contains some info on important changes that are sometimes not completely compatible15:13
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citronizeddo you think it's possible to install this beta side to side with the stable version ?15:19
citronizedor do i have to trash my stable version ?15:20
BartJolI think it is possible, but....15:20
BartJolyou need to setup another directory tree15:20
BartJoland maybe there are some defaults15:21
BartJolthat think that the directory is /data/WebGUI15:21
BartJolso that might take some time to configure15:21
BartJoland it should have another ip address15:22
BartJolsuch stuff15:22
citronizederf..ok I see :)15:22
BartJolyou don't make live easier for yourself15:23
citronizedi'll wait for the stable version then :)15:23
BartJolbut for older versions without the wre we have that15:23
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BartJolprobably when 7.5 gets stable, there also will be an upgrade path from 7.415:24
citronizedwhich version is included in the WRE 0.8.3 package ?15:25
BartJolso then there shouldn't be to many problems15:26
BartJolbut when you install WebGUI, it will take the latest stable (in this case 7.4.35) version15:26
citronizedok, i've seen that it has dowloaded this stuff during install :)15:27
citronizedare upgrades easy once you've installed webgui ?15:27
BartJolnormally yes15:28
citronizedeasy as is the installation or as two clicks on buttons ? :D15:28
BartJolif you have many custom extra's (like in the code) that can cause trouble15:28
BartJolwell you should run the /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl script15:29
citronizedseems fine to me :)15:30
BartJolbut there are also some upgrade instructions on the site15:30
BartJolI would advise to read those :)15:30
BartJolI didn't do that very often with success15:31
BartJoland I broke my test installation15:31
BartJolstill some stuff with the new JSON version15:32
citronizedi'm gonna try my SQL Form asset to work, this way, i won't bother u anymore with upgrades and stuff :)15:32
BartJolwell, glad to be some help15:33
citronizedty for ur help anyway15:33
citronizedit's always great to be more then one in front of an issue ;)15:34
BartJolhave fun15:34
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citronizedmorning :)15:41
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+perlmonkey2anyone seen the use.perl article on how fresh cpan is?  http://use.perl.org/~LaPerla/journal/3632016:18
+perlmonkey2that is pretty cool.16:18
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@rizenisawayMrHairgrease: in iTransact processing do you ever set a "total" amount?17:12
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@rizeni'm trying to figure out where to place in-shop credit into this module. 17:13
+MrHairgreasehang on17:13
+MrHairgreaselet me check that17:13
@rizenfor example, let's say i have a transaction for $20 and i have a $10 credit in the shop. i should be able to make the credit card fee only $10 then instead of the full $2017:14
+MrHairgreaseI I recall correctly you pass the per item price/qty to itransact17:16
+MrHairgreaseI'll have to check it in their docs17:16
+MrHairgreasegimme a minute17:16
@rizenif that's true, how do you pass in things like tax, shipping, etc17:17
@rizendo you just add extra line items?17:17
+MrHairgreaseIf you want those seperate, they'll have to be passed as separate items17:22
+MrHairgreaseafaik, itransact does not have a seperate tax field17:23
@rizenso is the itransact module not accounting for shipping and tax costs right now?17:23
@rizenif not, i'll add it while i'm in here adding the other stuff17:23
+MrHairgreaselet me check17:23
@rizenit doesn't look like it to me17:23
@rizenthat's why i'm asking17:23
+MrHairgreasei know17:24
@rizenif you don't know, then it probably isn't17:24
+MrHairgreaseok 17:24
+MrHairgreaseIt doesn't as far as i can see17:24
+MrHairgreaseI thought the getPrice thing calculated the price including tax17:25
+MrHairgreasebut that isn't17:25
+MrHairgreasehnce the confusion17:25
@rizenok thanks17:26
+MrHairgreaseok, now i'm sure17:27
+MrHairgreaseit doesn't do it17:27
@rizenalright, i'll add those in too then17:27
+MrHairgreasei can add it too17:27
@rizeni'm working on it right now anyway17:28
@rizenfor that credit stuff17:28
+MrHairgreaseok, just add them as seperate items17:28
+MrHairgreasequestion about the subscriptions17:28
+MrHairgreaseit used to be possible to have one subscription code referring to two subscriptions17:29
+MrHairgreasebut we agreed that that will not be the case anymore in the new system17:29
+MrHairgreaseie. a one-to-one relationship between code<->susbscription17:29
+MrHairgreasewhat do you want to happen if there are codes that have multiple subscriptions attached?17:30
@rizenexisting codes?17:30
@rizenmy guess is that there aren't any because you said the user interface doesn't allow for it, only the api did17:31
+MrHairgreaseaparently I was wrong on that17:31
+MrHairgreaseb/c when i tried to make a batch of codes for testing the migration script17:31
+MrHairgreaseit was possible17:31
@rizenbut if you find any then display a warning in the upgrade output AND log, and then convert them to a new code17:31
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@rizenso if there are two subscriptions in the code17:32
@rizenthen the first one can use the code17:32
@rizenand the second one gets  a new code17:32
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@rizenand you let people know that in both the upgrade output (print) and in the log17:32
+MrHairgreasehow I have done it so far is letting assign one of the subscriptions to the code, thus discarding the other subscriptions for that code17:36
+MrHairgreasecreating a new code has about the same effect, since you only really wanna retain codes if you've handed them out already17:36
+MrHairgreasebut in that case, the person that received it doesn't know anymore where to redeem it.17:37
+MrHairgreasesince the code redemption is moved into the sku17:38
+MrHairgreaseand removed from the displayAccount screen17:38
+MrHairgreaseso how does creating new codes help?17:38
+MrHairgreaseit only complicates matters17:38
@rizenno it helps17:39
@rizenit helps because the store owner doesn't have to manually create the codes 17:39
@rizenhe's going to have to send out the codes again sure17:40
@rizenbut he doesn't have to manually create it17:40
@rizenso give him the codes and the urls17:40
@rizenthen he can send out the emails17:40
@rizento distribute the new codes to people17:40
+MrHairgreaseanother funny thing i came across: now that subscriptions are assets people without admin privs can add them.17:42
+MrHairgreaseSo what happens if some evil content manager adds a subscriuption to the admin group and redeems a code for himself?17:42
@rizenset the canAdd value of it to '3'17:43
@rizenthat will stop that problem17:43
@rizenand if someone wants to override it, they can do so in their config17:43
@rizengood thinking though17:44
@rizeni didn't even consider that17:44
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+MrHairgreaseok, one final question: subscription codes are in batches which belong to subscritions17:50
+MrHairgreaseso now each code has a batchId17:50
+MrHairgreaseand each batchId has a subscriptionId17:50
+MrHairgreasewould it be a bad thing to add a subscriptionId to each code too?17:51
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+MrHairgreaseit is a form of data duplication so I left it out17:51
@rizeni'll leave it to your judgement18:14
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more collateral conversion. Collateral data does not need to be removed from extra tables in purge method18:21
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: collateral data does not need to be manually duplicated18:21
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+perlDreamerjson collateral in the asset table has lots of advantages18:35
+perlDreamerno need for manual duplication or purging18:35
@rizeni know18:37
@rizenhence my blog entry18:37
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webmasterwhere does the Sybase.pm file need to be and installed18:40
+perlDreamerwebmaster, do you mean DBD::Sybase?18:40
+perlDreamerAre you using the WRE?18:41
+perlDreamerget a root session18:41
+perlDreamersource the setEnvironment script18:41
+perlDreamerperl -MCPAN -e 'install DBD::Sybase'18:41
+perlDreamerrestart apache18:41
+perlDreamerconfigure a database link to your sybase db18:42
+perlDreamerthen use it18:42
+perlDreamernote that you can't use it for the default webgui database18:42
+perlDreameronly for external db queries18:42
webmasteri did that and i even can run a perl script to spit out my server name which is a SQL server. I create a database link in WebGUI and this is what i get18:43
webmaster2008/05/02 03:06:25 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate DBD/Sybase.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/p18:43
webmasterPerhaps the DBD::Sybase perl module hasn't been fully installed,18:43
webmasteror perhaps the capitalisation of 'Sybase' isn't right.18:43
webmasterAvailable drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Gofer, Proxy, Sponge, mysql.18:43
webmasterso we moved the pm file so webgui could see it18:43
webmastergot this18:43
webmaster2008/05/02 10:35:07 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: Undefined subroutine &DBD::Sybase::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm line 94.18:43
webmastergave it execute permissions and got his18:43
webmaster2008/05/02 10:38:05 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::Sybase in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/18:44
webmasterCompilation failed in require at (eval 1695) line 3.18:44
webmasterPerhaps a module that DBD::Sybase requires hasn't been fully installed18:44
webmaster at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 32218:44
@rizenare you sure you installed it into the right perl18:44
@rizenmy guess is that you installed it into your local perl rather than the wre18:44
+perlDreamertry a locate Sybase.pm18:45
webmasterlocate Sybase.pm18:45
webmasterlocate Sybase.pm18:46
webmasterwe manually put it into the 2 wre folders18:48
+perlDreamerif you manually put it there, you probably didn't install everything that it needed18:48
+perlDreameruse CPAN to install the whole thing into the WRE's perl18:48
+perlDreamerjust like the instructions that I gave you earlier18:48
webmasteris there a certain folder i need to be in when i run the command 18:48
+perlDreamerjust be sure that you're using the WRE's perl18:49
+perlDreamerwhich perl18:49
webmasterthe "into the WRE's perl" is the part I am not clear on. 18:49
webmasterhow do i know i am using WRE perl18:49
+perlDreamertype perl18:49
+perlDreamer"type perl"18:49
+perlDreameror, "which perl"18:49
+perlDreamerif it doesn't say /data/WRE.....perl, you're not using the right one18:50
webmaster"/user/bin/perl" 18:50
webmasterso how do i stop it and use wre18:50
+perlDreamer". /data/WRE/sbin/setEnvironment"18:50
+perlDreamerthe setEnvironment script will alter your path environment variable so that WRE binaries are found first, rather than system binaries18:52
+perlDreamerwebmaster, is that working for you?18:55
webmasterRunning make test18:57
webmaster  Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test18:57
webmasterRunning make install18:57
webmaster  Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install18:57
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+perlDreamerrizen: I know you want this C2 stuff done, but sending a virus to keep me home from work was a little over the top.19:01
@rizendamn it, i told xander to just send over a mild bacterial infection19:03
@rizenxander being my evil bio-warfare henchman of course19:04
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6314 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: update the SQL query for related Products to consider revisionDate19:08
webmasterwhen i run the console and try to restart apache i get this Please contact me at:19:14
webmaster        http://bellatrix.d214.org:60834/19:14
webmasterCan't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 14919:14
webmasterCan't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 11219:14
webmaster(13)Permission denied: httpd: could not open error log file /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log.19:14
+perlDreamerrizen: in the Product, for benefits, specifications and features, it gives you a combo box of items from other products.19:14
+perlDreamerthis was pretty easily done with SQL19:14
+perlDreamerbut with JSON, not so19:14
+perlDreamershould I grab the JSON with a SQL, and make the data, or instance the assets one by one to grab their JSON19:15
+perlDreamerthe second is better, but should be slower due to instancing the assets19:15
+perlDreamerand for large sites (100,000 products) it won't be fun at all19:15
+perlDreameractually, it might be bad for either method19:16
+perlDreamernow that we have prototypes, would it be okay to remove that feature from the product?19:16
+perlDreamer(drop down of data from other products)?19:16
@rizenwhat does json have to do with it19:17
@rizenwe're linking to other products19:17
@rizennot to variants19:17
@rizenoh nevermind19:17
@rizeni see what you're saying19:17
+perlDreamerI was converting _all_ the product collateral to JSON19:17
+perlDreameraccessories, related products, specifications, benefits and features19:17
@rizenjust go with a text box rather than a combo19:17
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+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: product collateral to JSON?  I got the smack downt he other day for thinking about doing that.19:32
@preaction_probably because i was doing the smacking19:33
+perlmonkey2I thought it was rizen who said not to do that?  Was it you preaction_?19:33
@preaction_it was most likely me, as i oppose it out of principle19:34
@rizenperlmonkey2: i may have, but it would depend upon what you were doing19:34
+perlmonkey2april 28th 11:30-ish.19:35
+perlmonkey2I was thinking about moving all the attributes of questions, sections, and answers into a single JSON blob.19:36
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: this is also a result of rizen's WebGUI version 8 post19:36
+perlmonkey2rizen: you talked me out of it in case the fields needed to be queried on.19:36
@rizenno that's not what you were asking me at the time19:36
webmasterdoes it matter where my httpd.conf file is located19:36
@rizenyou wanted to create an asset blob to store all your asset properties in19:36
@rizenyou weren't talking about questions at that time, but rather switches for the asset itself19:37
@rizenor at least that's what i understood you to be asking about19:37
+perlmonkey2I can see where the confusion came from, but I meant options on questions and sections, not on the asset itself.19:38
+perlmonkey2but collaterial.19:38
+perlmonkey2collateral, even :P19:38
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I have some fairly robust code (and tested) if you end up going that way :)19:39
webmasteri get this message on the service tab of the console: WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.19:39
+perlDreamerwebmaster, are you logged in as root on that machine?19:40
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: I've used TEXT to store JSON for a long time, but is some trick you've learned tha tmight be worth shraing?19:40
webmasterhe was when he did the install19:40
+perlmonkey2sharing even ?19:40
+perlDreamerit's just the collateral access methods19:41
+perlDreamerI encapsulated the JSON entirely19:41
+perlDreamerso that from the asset, all you deal with are perl data structures19:41
+perlmonkey2ahah, that sounds pretty handy.19:41
+perlDreamercheck out Asset/Sku/Product.pm in the 7.5 branch19:41
webmasterwhat permissions does webgui need19:42
webmasterthe services folder is owned by root19:42
webmasterwre-apache is owned by webgui19:42
webmasterso are the other files in the redhat folder19:42
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: 7.5.10 doesn't have an Sku19:44
+perlDreamerin SVN it does :)19:44
+perlDreamerdoes that look better, perlmonkey2?20:06
+perlmonkey2I was looking at 7.5.10beta in svn and wasn't seen it.20:06
+perlDreamernot the release version, the main branch20:07
+perlmonkey2ah, I got confused about it being a specific 7.5, but duh, why wouldn' it be in the main branch.20:08
+perlDreamereh, I could have been more specific20:08
+perlDreamerthe collateral methods are getCollateral, setCollateral, deleteCollateral and moveCollateral{Up,Down}20:10
+perlDreameralso, getAllCollateral and getIndexedCollateralData20:10
+perlmonkey2oh man, that all needs to be moved into a higher order object so everyone can share in the fun.20:10
+perlmonkey2good stuff.20:10
+perlmonkey2moveCollateralDown?  What is that for?20:11
+perlmonkey2I mean I know what it does, but why would you need it.20:11
+perlDreamercollateral has a sequence20:12
+perlDreamerso you can reorder it20:12
+perlDreameri.e. first question, next question, and so on20:12
+perlDreamerso moveUp and moveDown lets you change the order20:12
+perlmonkey2so your entire collateral table is a single JSON column?20:12
+perlDreamerwell, each asset stores its own collateral data20:13
+perlDreamerin a column20:13
+perlDreamerit makes cross asset queries impossible20:13
@rizenit certainly has that one downside20:17
@rizenbut it also has the upside of better compatibility with duplicate, purge, versioning, prototypes, packages, and anything else we add in the future, like web services20:18
+perlDreamer(two more collateral methods to go, benefits and features)20:19
+perlDreamerafter that, I'll be ready to try and convert the Commerce products over to Sku products20:20
+perlDreamerrizen, I also think that the asset level collateral methods (moveMeUp, moveMeDown, deleteMe, etc.) could all be autogenerated.  I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.20:24
@rizeni'm certain that's true20:24
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6315 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert specification collateral to JSON20:24
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: so each row of a json collateral object is actually N rows of that callateral object?20:35
+perlmonkey2ie, and array?20:36
+perlDreamereach asset has an json property, that holds JSON which is an array of hashrefs20:36
+perlmonkey2no worries about scaling?  20:37
+perlmonkey2if the arrays get rather large?20:37
+perlDreamerhow big is a MySQL mediumtext?20:38
@preaction_250,000 chars i think20:38
+perlDreamerlet's say that any given JSON hashref is 500 chars20:38
+perlDreamerthat would let the array have about 500 entries20:39
@preaction_perlbot math 2 ** 2420:39
+perlmonkey2That's not what I mean.  As a for instance, if I did this with the survey system, to grab a specific set of sections questions and answers, I would have to grab all of them for the survey, then search for just the ones I needed.20:39
+perlmonkey2every time a page was generated.20:39
+perlDreameryes, versus asking MySQL to do the same task for you20:39
+perlDreamerI guess it's a race for who is quicker20:39
+perlDreamerperl with data, or MySQL with rows and queries20:40
+perlmonkey2I can't make a perfectly indexed table respond faster than 20ms with MySQL.  I think that is the minimum overhead to a call on a fast instance.20:40
+perlmonkey2But I've worked with gigabyte hash's, referenced with URI's, and was not able to measure individual lookups as they all fell within the margin of error of 0.20:41
+perlDreamergigabyte hashes, in memory?20:41
+perlmonkey2So what I'm saying, is I think your idea has much merit and scalability :)20:41
+perlDreamerHonestly, I just did what rizen said to do ;)20:41
+perlmonkey2Then replace "your idea" with "rizen's idea" :P20:42
+perlDreameroy, did I say it was my idea?20:42
+perlDreamerthat's bad.20:42
+perlDreamerSincere apologies, rizen.20:42
+perlmonkey2I just assumed that, I don't think you said it?20:42
+perlDreamerrizen: add easier search indexing to the list of benefits20:46
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: What about when your asset row contains more data than your physical memory?20:49
+perlDreamerdo you mean ram and swap?20:49
+perlmonkey2on a 512MB machine, there is ually only 150MB or so free after a wG + OS.  20:49
+perlmonkey2(my example of the survey) could easily have 150MB rows.20:49
+perlmonkey2I'm trying to think of a way to break rows into chunks, but nothing comes to mind that is better than just using the DB.20:50
+perlDreamerI think you'd hit the 250,000 character limit way before you hit 150 MB of memory20:53
+perlDreamerbut it's still a good question20:53
+perlDreamermaybe answers needs to remain a table20:54
+perlmonkey2250K char limit?20:54
+perlmonkey2is that a JSON limit?20:54
+perlDreamerthe size of the mediumtext field20:54
@preaction_no, it's not 250k, its 2^2420:54
@preaction_16 million20:55
+perlmonkey216million bits is how many variable length chars :P20:55
@preaction_16 million bytes, sure20:56
+perlmonkey2oh, not bit but bytes20:56
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PatMcGroinAnybody home?21:07
@preaction_in a manner of speaking21:08
PatMcGroinHeh- looking for help with an install problem...21:08
PatMcGroingetting an errmsg:21:09
PatMcGroin-su: ./wreconsole.pl: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory21:09
PatMcGroin-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar  3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl21:09
PatMcGroinperl interpreter exists and seems properly permissioned....21:10
@preaction_i would ask your distro, since that's your shell complaining21:10
@preaction_alternatively, run the perl file using the perl interpreter directly21:10
PatMcGroinBrand new install of Deb/Apache, no alias or other bleh.21:11
PatMcGroinCan point it at the "real" perl, I guess...21:12
@preaction_that would be a bad idea21:12
@preaction_if your definition of "real" is "distro-supplied"21:12
PatMcGroinWell, apt-get (plus modules)21:13
+perlmonkey2PatMcGroin:  /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -v 21:16
PatMcGroin-su: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: No such file or directory21:16
+perlmonkey2therein lies a hint.21:17
PatMcGroinright, but:21:18
PatMcGroinls -al /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl21:18
PatMcGroin-rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar  3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl21:18
@apeironCorrupt FS perhaps?21:18
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6316 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert feature collateral to JSON21:19
@apeironThat's the only thing I can think of.21:19
PatMcGroinVery strange...21:19
PatMcGroinBrand new install....21:19
@apeironI'd fsck it to be sure.21:19
+perlDreamerPatMcGroin: Can you cd to /data/wre/prereqs/bin ?21:20
+perlDreamer./perl -v21:21
PatMcGroinopteval:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./perl -v21:21
PatMcGroinbash: ./perl: No such file or directory21:22
PatMcGroinBut ls -al shows all files....21:22
+perlDreamerhead -1 perl21:22
@apeironIt really seems like a filesystem issue to me.21:22
@apeironIf you can, remount the FS.21:22
+perlDreamerapeiron: I sincerely hope it's the FS, or the hardware or the kernel21:23
PatMcGroinhead reveals the standard source "space garbage"21:23
PatMcGroinFresh install (slicehost) of Debian/Etch.  All else seems OK, but I (personally) didn't install the image, so there's room for doubt.21:24
PatMcGroinGonna re-mount, BRB21:24
+perlmonkey2PatMcGroin: selinux?  permissions?21:27
PatMcGroinPerms are 755 in the whole tree21:29
PatMcGroinsetenvironmantal runs fine21:29
PatMcGroinecho $PATH:21:29
+perlDreamerit's not a path problem21:29
PatMcGroinAgree- path seems normal...21:30
+perlDreamerit's not a permission problem21:30
+perlDreameryou said earlier they were 75521:30
+perlDreamerif you can't ./perl -v, then something system level is bad21:30
PatMcGroinWas wondering about selinux, will try running it in a different locn.21:30
+perlmonkey2PatMcGroin: setenforce 0 21:33
PatMcGroinis there anything else I need to change (outside of setenvironmentals) to run from and alternate sub-directory?21:35
PatMcGroinGotta be something stupid and obvious that I'm just not seeing.  No alias= (hell, no .bash anything)21:41
@preaction_i thought debian used dash by default now21:41
@apeironAh, derivative of ash.21:42
PatMcGroinStranger still, I can autocomplete the whole path...21:46
+perlDreamercheck the permissions for the whole path, starting with /data21:46
+perlDreamerand make sure it isn't mounted with any funny restrictions21:46
PatMcGroin755s all the way down21:48
PatMcGroinmount table looks ok too.21:48
PatMcGroinPossibly corrupt tarball?21:49
+perlmonkey2PatMcGroin: can you open the binary?21:51
+perlmonkey2to read?21:51
+perlmonkey2can you perform fs operations on it?21:52
+perlDreamerhe was able to head the file21:52
+perlmonkey2is it the correct binary for his OS?21:52
+perlDreamerdoes anyone have a debian/etch WRE that could be used to generate a cksum?21:52
+perlDreamerooh, good call perlmonkey221:52
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+perlDreamerwait a second, here21:55
+perlDreamerbopbop, kristi: which one of you is really Mrs. McCombs?21:55
kristibopbop is Mrs. McCombs21:56
+perlDreamerthen who are you?21:56
kristi?- well, I'm Mrs. McCombs too- got kicked out of chat room and signed back in as kristi21:56
PatMcGroinSo..... If I need webGUI for a 64-bit OS.....?21:57
+perlDreamermaybe we'd better just verify that...21:57
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+perlDreamerWhat movie did you kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?21:57
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+perlDreamerWhat movie did your kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?21:57
PatMcGroinx86_64 GNU/Linux21:57
+perlDreameryou, kristi21:57
kristiI think it was Camelot21:57
+perlDreamerIt was "Shek Too"21:58
kristioh yeah- Camelot was too scary21:58
kristiSHEK TOO!!!!21:59
dionakdoes anyone use Apache::Reload in WebGUI? 22:00
dionaksounds like it might make dev easier22:00
+perlDreamerdionak: I think that when the WRE is set up for devs that it is turned on for you.22:01
+perlDreamerokay, kristi, I'm convinced that it's you.22:01
+perlDreamerThere was some guy trying to impersonate rizen the other day22:01
dionakhow do i switch it to dev?22:01
+perlDreamerbut he gave himself away when he complained about his long curly hair.22:02
kristinice- that's like me complaining about being too tall22:02
kristihead is constantly hitting the ceiling...22:03
+perlDreamerdionak: I don't know if you can switch an existing instance.22:03
PatMcGroinSo no 64-bit install for WebGUI?22:04
+perlDreamerkristi: and anyone with poor grammar and spelling would be a dead giveaway22:04
dionakok, thanks for the info. maybe i can just read up in the build.sh22:04
kristieye don no wutchu meen22:04
+perlDreamerPatMcGroin: If there's no existing 64bit WRE, you can compile one22:06
PatMcGroinRight, but the problem appears to be the 32-bit executable components in /prereq/22:07
PatMcGroinNot WRE per se.22:08
+perlDreamerthat _is_ the WRE22:08
@rizenkristi is funny22:09
PatMcGroinDownloading source now.22:09
+perlDreamerthe WRE is the WebGUI perl modules and the binaries needed to run it, perl, apache, mysql and so on22:09
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@kristiwoohoo! I'm finally red :)22:09
* perlDreamer salutes22:10
+perlDreamerYes, ma'am!22:10
+perlDreamerWriting documentation right away22:10
dionakhm, i don't see Apache::Reload in the wrebuild22:11
+perlDreamerThe wiki says Apache2::Reload, but that may be a typo22:11
+perlDreameror the page could be out of date22:11
dionaki did a grep for reload and Reload22:11
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dionakoh wait. i see it in the modules...22:12
@rizendionak: apache2 reload was acciddentally removed from the wre somewhere along the way22:12
@rizeni have to remember to put it back in in 0.8.422:12
@rizeni mean, removed from the config file22:12
@rizennot the modules22:12
dionakok, that would explain seeing it in the modules but not the build22:13
+perlDreamerrizen: there are several (4) Product templates.  To export them all as 1 package, can I make a new folder and move the templates in there?22:26
@rizeni think that walmart is trying to kill me22:26
@rizensure pd22:26
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dionaki'm setting up a custom lib in /data/site/clientname/lib. I edited preload.custom with the path, double checked it but the macro isn't showing up. could it be permissions?22:55
dionakit's world readable22:56
dionakno errors in the logs22:56
dionakany ideas?22:56
dionaki got apache2:reload working btw...22:57
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@rizendid you also add the macro to your config file23:07
dionakyes. 23:07
dionaki also double checked my paths23:08
+perlDreamerrizen: topsub reported a similar problem a couple of weeks ago23:08
dionakyea, i don't think it was resolved. same server23:08
dionaklet me test a working wg macro from this dir to see if it is indeed a path issue23:08
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CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r6317 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 6 dirs): 23:17
CIA-6WebGUI: zero dollar transactions23:17
CIA-6WebGUI: in-shop credit applies to orders23:17
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Sunmaster_14http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/http-proxy-urls-mess-up-checkboxes I posted this bug 5 days ago. Can someone take a look at it?23:19
BartJolsorry Sunmaster_14, i read it, but am afraid I can't help you in any constructive way23:21
Sunmaster_14BartJol, ok, thanks for looking :)23:21
+perlDreamerSunmaster_14: A lot of us are busy writing the new commerce system.23:22
Sunmaster_14perlDreamer, ok. I mean, I'm not trying to say "Hey everyone, drop what you're doing and look at this." Just wanted to know if anyone has had a chance to yet23:23
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Sunmaster_14hola, cap10morgan 23:28
+perlDreamerHey, did you guys know that you can create more than 1 alias to a macro?23:41
+perlDreamerLike, if you wanted to use the International macro, you could make entries for ^International and ^Intl23:41
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: we need to remember to bring up the JSON collateral size limitation with rizen.00:03
+perlDreameror make a dev list posting00:03
+perlmonkey216MB ?00:04
+perlmonkey2A large blob is like 2GB00:04
+perlmonkey2is it *really* an issue?  instances that make it to 16GB will be rare.  So if you design with a mediumtext, then physical ram isn't an issue.00:25
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: 00:25
+perlmonkey2but if you have to go with a largetext then it might *still* not be an issue as anything handling that much traffic, is probably on some serious hardware.00:25
+perlmonkey2although, having 4GB of physical ram available is still not very normal.00:25
+perlDreamerno, it's pretty rare00:33
+perlDreamerlook at PB's hosting options00:33
+perlDreamerof course, who is going to host a 160 MB survey/dataform on one of those?00:33
+perlmonkey2I'm just thinking about results.  plus *every* time someone submits and answer or makes a change to the survey, the entire thing is loaded from the DB.  If it is large, that just feels ugly.00:36
+perlDreamermaybe answers should continue to be kept separate00:38
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+perlDreamerapeiron, preaction_: I need a bug consult, please 01:03
@preaction_which bug?01:03
+perlDreamerI just found it01:03
+perlDreamercheck out lib/WebGUI/Form/Hidden.pm01:03
+perlDreamernow, suppose you want to set the value 0 as your hidden value01:03
+perlDreamerwhat is $value in that sub?01:03
@preaction_probably $self->get('value') without any quotes, special characters, or macros01:04
+perlDreamerit's '', empty string01:05
+perlDreamerdue to the || '' at the nd01:05
+perlDreamerso you can't set 0 as the hidden value01:05
@preaction_it my version it's only the "name" parameter that has that || ''01:06
+perlDreamerwhat rev are you at?01:06
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@preaction_dunno, working on a client project01:06
@preaction_oh, i see, at the end of my $value01:07
@preaction_that should probably be changed to a defined check01:07
@preaction_or would that even be necessary?01:08
@apeiron|| is truth01:08
+perlDreamerit's necessary if you want to use 0 as a value :)01:08
* perlDreamer really wants 5.10 now01:08
@apeironperlDreamer, Yeah, likewise.01:08
@apeiron0 or the empty string for that matter.01:09
+perlDreamerfrom what I can ack in Form, Radio, Checkbox and Hidden are all affected01:09
+perlDreamerwell, empty string would give you the empty string, which is fine01:09
@preaction_no, i mean checking for defined. what does $string = undef . "something"; equal? 01:09
@apeironperlDreamer, Empty string would still fail truth testing.01:09
@apeironperlbot, false01:09
perlbotundef, 0, "", "0"01:09
+perlDreameryes apeiron, but in that case $value = '' || ''; 01:10
@apeironah, right.01:10
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+perlDreamerhey, the man himself01:10
+perlDreamerrizen: I think I found a bug in the recent Form changes01:11
+perlDreamerif you have time, please check out Form/Hidden, ToHtmlAsHidden, and consider if I want to set the value 001:12
+perlDreamerI have a patch that adds checking for 0 to the tests for Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, and a patch that fixes it in Hidden and Checkbox (Radio was okay).01:20
+perlDreamerIf I commit that patch, will I break something else?01:25
+perlDreamerpreaction_: it's in 7.5.10, the last released beta01:26
+perlDreamerrizen: never mind.  It's much older than the recent form fixes.01:28
+perlDreamerit's from rev 415201:31
+perlDreamervery, very old01:31
+perlDreamerI'll commit the tests and patches01:31
+perlDreamerI spent an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't edit the first product variant, #001:33
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6318 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 01:41
CIA-6WebGUI: Fix Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, which wouldn't allow01:41
CIA-6WebGUI: a value of zero to be set in them. It was translated to01:41
CIA-6WebGUI: the empty string.01:41
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+perlDreamerrizen: all the collateral work is done02:18
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CIA-6WebGUI: Merging in functioning variants.02:53
CIA-6WebGUI: Fixed bugs in getIndexedCollateralData.02:53
CIA-6WebGUI: Added variants to the view template.02:53
CIA-6WebGUI: Updated all Product templates to display variants and controls.02:53
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): Help for the variant template variables in the Product template.02:53
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6322 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: It's okay to delete the Product Wobject now.03:40
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: you keep saying that responses should be kept seperate.....I think you are on to something :P04:01
+perlDreamerno, it's just the virus talking04:01
+perlDreamermy short term memory is questionable04:01
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: because do you know how attractive it is for to me to think of getting a request, grabbing the entire survey from a few JSON columns, and then not having to do anymore queries?  That is just too sexy.04:02
+perlmonkey2could even make everything JSON enabled classes.  04:03
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* perlDreamer shudders at an all JSON asset04:13
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hah, I just mean the collateral would be objects that know how to turn themselves into/from JSON.04:14
+perlmonkey2but that paradigm kind of breaks the All-In-A-Single-Object that appears to be used currently.04:15
+perlmonkey2not that I'm saying that is wrong, as wG is obviously a nice piece of softwar.e04:15
+perlDreameroh, well in that case (and since I just wrote one that way), that's okay04:19
+perlDreamerhm, maybe I can get MrHairgrease to tutor in me in advanced WebGUI::Product usage tomorrow.04:21
+perlmonkey2hmm, I'm thinking it might be a good time to buy some Yahoo stock.04:22
+perlmonkey2They were devalued by a scary statemt.04:22
+perlmonkey2surely they weren't just that overvalued before the scary statement.04:22
+perlDreamerI think they were pumped up by the chance of being purchased.04:23
+perlDreamerand have probably returned to a normal level04:23
+perlmonkey2oh, yeah.  Looks like Feb 08 is when the offer first surface.d04:23
+perlmonkey2now they are back to slightly over what they were.04:23
+perlmonkey2What Balmer can giveth, Balmer can taketh away.04:23
@apeironI was reading about that on some business site or another and the finance folk are talking about it with complete disregard for anything but moneymaking opportunities: nothing along the lines of personal integrity or what the purchase would actually do to the tech world.04:24
+perlmonkey2it would change the internet quite a bit.  MS would have a lot more clout to spread their poison online.04:25
+perlDreamerI heard that a prominent open source developer is incensed at MS's actions.04:26
@apeironThis is news?04:26
+perlDreamersure :)04:26
+perlDreameri'm gonna take a break for a while04:27
@apeironHave fun, then.04:28
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patspamhas anyone successfully played with Survey 2.0? I've installed the WebGUI_Survey2 branch but am getting "Unknown column 'exitURL' in 'field list' when trying to add a Survey object07:34
+Radix-wrkman.. if you posted that like half an hour earlier you might've got a response from perlmonkey2 (who is the one working on Survey 2.0)07:38
+Radix-wrkhe's honestly the best one to talk to if you have issues with Survey 2.0 at this stage07:39
patspamah bugger. ok, I'll send a note out to the dev list asking if it's usable yet07:44
patspamor is there a spec/overview document floating around? I just want to check out what the planned features07:45
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virgomoonI'm getting the following error in my http-error log .. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'userProfileData.fieldData' in 'field list' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." .. I checked that userProfileData table and 'fieldData' isn't there .. does that sound familiar to anyone?16:16
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+perlmonkey2what's new today?17:11
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer where are you?  slacker.17:12
+perlmonkey2So I've never seen this in a wobject, but is there any harm in building insideout objects in a module?  Just little mini packages to abstract some data away?  17:13
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+perlmonkey2rizen: Would you have a problem with me adding some helper classes to the bottom of Survey.pm?  I want to move sections,questions,answers into JSON columns in the survey table, but want some nice clean code to wrap the handling of that data in.17:47
@rizengo for it17:49
@rizenclean code is good17:49
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+snapcountanyone know of a cpan module or built-in that is similar to the frequency function in excel?17:58
+snapcounti.e., for generating histograms17:58
+perlmonkey2rizen: A Mixin wouldn't be a better solution?18:01
@rizenpm2 are you arguing against yourself?18:02
+perlmonkey2heh, yes18:02
+perlmonkey2I do that all the time.18:02
+perlmonkey2If I'm spending any serious amount of money, I will debate myself forever.18:02
+perlmonkey2I'm surprised I am able to ever decide anything.18:03
@rizenjust get it done already18:04
@rizenhow is that for motivation?18:04
+snapcountahh found it... nm18:05
+perlmonkey2rizen: V1 is supposed to go into a real beta today.  I'm in the process of moving it to the production test machines.18:05
+perlmonkey2it is getting there, even if I have to take a cattle prod to these guys, they will decide upon a feature set and stop whining.18:06
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doc7777Hello friends. I have a quick theme question that has me stumped. Using the DCarter80 theme the author says to "User can easily shift color (including the logo) by linking the style template to different .css color files.".   How do you do this very thing? 18:10
doc7777I usually use linux so my mind snaps to a symlink but being we are talking about a webgui theme I am clueless.  :-)18:11
BartJolin the template you refer to your css file\18:12
BartJolin the head section18:12
BartJoljust find the url of the desired colorscheme css and replace the current colorscheme css18:13
BartJolit is possible there is more than one, so be a bit carefull18:13
doc7777I cannot seem to edit the template. It goes to a failsafe page and when you click edit it just refreshes the page. Maybe I am in the wrong place...18:14
+perlmonkey2doc7777: You'll probably have to create your own css file as a snippet.  Then link to that.18:14
BartJola, was a step further, thought that the snippets were qalready there :)18:15
doc7777It has a "style" then "green, blue , orange.css" snippets.  They say to link the style to the .css. That is where I am clueless ;)18:15
BartJolvia what exact route are you trying to edit your template?18:16
doc7777http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/theme-dcarter-80#LdAZc7SCyEj8oY62Prcylg  is the theme.18:16
BartJolis your template already submitted (the version tag with the template in it, it is?)18:17
doc7777Yea, and it shows on the site. Its just the theme is green when we want blue ;)   the url would be: /dcarter80_style7?func=edit18:18
doc7777but that just refreshes the page you are looking at.18:19
BartJolmm, having a problem with importing it, probably one of my settingsd18:21
BartJoland if you go to the asset manager, you should see an object called dcarter80_style18:22
doc7777Aye I see that18:22
BartJolwhat type is it?18:22
BartJolmmm, and if you press the according edit link?18:23
doc7777When here I see a nice formated blue and white admin page: /dcarter87?func=manageAssets18:23
BartJolso that's a template you can edit?18:24
doc7777When I click the edit link beside the _style I get a fail safe page at /dcarter80_style7?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets listing all the dcarter files.18:24
+snapcountholy crap18:24
+snapcountdo you guys know if perldreamers cpan id is colink?18:25
+snapcountIf it is him then I'm mailing a beer to Oregon18:25
doc7777Clicking edit again just refreshes that same page. Seems odd. ;)18:25
doc7777No idea here snap...18:25
BartJolok so that's a folder with the according css files18:26
BartJolcould be colin18:26
+snapcountI think he's the author of Statistics::Descriptive18:26
+snapcountwhich is a very nice module18:26
+snapcountI just assumed WebGUI was his entire life =D18:26
BartJolbut your template, is the one you just had18:26
+snapcountI'll have to ask him later18:27
BartJolprobably in the head section there's something like: <link href="^/;dcarter_style7/green.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />18:27
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6323 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Major updates to spec18:27
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6324 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Major updates to spec18:27
BartJolcolin is a workaholic, so I assume it's quite possible18:28
doc7777I have a DCarter folder with all the files in it. When I click edit beside the style it just goes to fail safe and lists the files again. Maybe it cannot parse the template?18:28
BartJolyou should use that template for a page, the asset manager pages are just for managing18:30
BartJoland their template is not easily configured18:30
doc7777hehe, yea I figured as much. I mean when I try and edit the Dcarter80_style it will not.18:31
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BartJoljee , hard to tell what's going wrong, without seeing this18:31
BartJoland I'm afraid I have to go18:31
doc7777Yea, been working with it about an hour and I need to go to. Thanks!18:31
BartJolwell, then we both have to go\18:32
BartJolthat's a relief18:32
doc7777Till then! waves18:32
BartJolare you back later today?18:32
BartJolok, i will be in 5 or 6 hours18:32
doc7777bout the same here. Maybe we can resolve it then ;)18:32
BartJolok, see you latrer18:32
doc7777Thank you so much for the help 18:32
BartJolno problem18:33
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+perlmonkey2hmm, I can't figure out why wG is resending static files that have not been altered since their last modified date.  I'm looking at teh headers in firebug, and the headers are correct, the files should not be resent.19:38
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Are you sure that it's wG sending them, or the browser requesting them regardless of the header settings?19:42
+perlmonkey2I'm looking at the request headers which are including if-modified-since19:43
+perlmonkey2which in the file I'm testing with, is two hours ago.19:43
+snapcounthey perlDreamer - are you the author of Statistics::Descriptive?19:43
+perlDreamerwell, maintainer19:44
+snapcountyou rule man19:44
+snapcountI'm using that package and it saved me a ton of work19:44
+perlDreamerYou think so?  It's actually one of the more maligned CPAN modules out there.19:44
+perlDreamerJon Orwant hates it19:44
+snapcountis there something that is supposedly better?19:44
+snapcountI couldn't find anything that would allow you to do frequency distribution with specific bins19:45
+snapcountexcept your module19:45
+perlDreamerHe says it's just very slow, and not well suited to an OO paradigm19:45
+snapcountwell it works great for me =)19:46
+snapcountnow if I could find a module to generate the graph rotated 90 deg =P19:46
+snapcountin text19:46
+snapcountI have a bell curve on it's side lol19:47
+perlDreamerwell, you're working with a valid sample then :)19:47
@apeironperlDreamer, For 'hating' it, Mr. Orwant hasn't said a word of such on the module review page.19:58
+perlDreamerNo, he just published a book with his comments :)20:02
+perlDreamerand I shouldn't say hate, that's my perception of his evaluation of the module20:02
@apeironAh, the Algorithms book?20:04
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+perlDreamerdionak: did you ever find the solution to the mystery of unloadable custom macro?20:47
dionakno, i haven't yet. i will return to it in the next couple of days20:51
dionaki'll share what i find20:52
dionaki'm busy doing project design, atm20:52
dionakthanks for asking20:53
+perlDreamernp.  I'm completely stumped, so I'm curious as to what the resolution is.20:55
dionaki am too. it's definitely not path related, i've discovered. right now, i'm inclined to think it's a permission issue20:55
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lisettehello, i need obtain the survey_responseId when the user complete the survey, how to do?20:58
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+perlDreamerlisette, you need to tell us more about what you're trying to do21:04
+perlDreamerdo you want that in a template, or in some code?21:04
lisettewait me21:07
lisetteya lo hice21:15
lisettea query in the table Survey_response21:15
+perlDreamerby userId?21:15
+perlDreamerordered by endDate.  That should do it21:16
+perlmonkey2What do you do when you ask someone a rhetorical question and they answer it incorrectly?21:20
+perlDreamerlaugh politely and explain what they did wrong21:20
+perlDreamerNo, I'm sorry.  Toilets don't swirl clockwise in Australia due to magnetic fields working on slight charged water molecules21:21
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lisetteorderby endDate22:04
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lisetteperlDreamer, the congress that there is going to have to learn how to handle the API WebGUI? or for anything else?22:58
+perlDreamerlisette, the topics for the conference are all over the place.  This year, there are not many sessions about the WebGUI API.23:01
+perlDreamerBuilding Advanced Workflows, URL and Content Handlers, WebGUI Search are about pieces of the API23:02
+perlDreamerA lot of the conference is introducing the new WebGUI 7.5 features23:03
+perlDreamerSurvey 2.023:03
lisetteall is in english?23:03
lisettewhich the cost?23:03
lisettewhich is the cost23:03
+perlDreamer$500 for two days23:03
+perlDreamerThe Hotel where the conference is has discount rates of $124/night, but there's also a hostel down the street.23:05
+perlDreamerthey'll feed you lunch at the conference each day23:05
lisetteThe event lasts only 2 days?23:05
+perlDreamerthis year, yes23:06
+perlDreamerlast year it was 3 days long23:06
+perlDreamerpeople voted to have more classes at the same time, but for fewer days23:06
preaction__there's the designers session beforehand too23:06
preaction__well, i think it's a basic tutorial for designers and content managers23:06
+perlDreamerlisette was asking about coder's talks and stuff23:06
lisetteok, thanks23:07
+perlDreamerDoes anyone know if there are still open seats for the conference?23:11
+perlDreamerLast year it sold out.23:11
lisettewhat is mean the combo?23:12
+perlDreameron the registration form?  It means to buy tickets for the workshops (which happen before the conference) and the conference itself.23:12
+perlDreamercombo = combination23:13
+perlDreamercompra boletos para la conferencia y clases addicionales23:14
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+perlDreamerBartJol, when 7.5 is released, you are going to be a very busy man23:15
lisettewhat is the different?23:16
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: speaking of translation, is the new Survey 2.0 fully i18n'ed and documented in the help system23:16
+perlDreamerentre las clases y la conferencia?23:17
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: not yet23:18
+perlmonkey2we're getting a V1 prelim out, and then I'll take a week to add all the V2 stuff they want and make it ready for WebGUI.23:18
+perlmonkey2BartJol: there wasn't time.  23:19
BartJolso all the versions that didn't come out, stack up?23:19
BartJolAm I that drunk?23:20
+perlDreamerBartJol, new commerce system, new assets23:20
+perlDreamerBartJol, there is going to be a huge work released in 7.5.1123:20
BartJolor peanuts...23:21
BartJolwhen's that all going to take place?23:23
+perlDreamerthe end of may23:23
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BartJolah, the second week of june, i'm sailing, so I've gat 1 week then23:24
BartJolthat's gonna be fun23:26
BartJoloh, that's my own deadline.. otherwise arabic will catch up :)23:27
+perlDreamerdude, you're so far ahead of them23:27
BartJolonly 10 %23:28
+perlDreamerbut they haven't touched the translation for a long time23:28
+perlDreamera very long time23:28
BartJolgotta keep my status23:28
BartJolIt's the only one I got :)23:33
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BartJolhas anybody seen citronized? I promised to help the French connection00:04
+perlDreamerhavent' seen him today00:07
BartJolhe was here 6 hours ago and would be back00:07
BartJol(around this tine)00:07
BartJolbu thanks00:07
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BartJolok, this tells myself something about maybe going to sleep, I meant doc777700:27
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+perlDreamerBartJol: Haven't seen him either00:39
+perlDreamerYou can go to sleep :)00:39
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BartJolah, well00:43
BartJolthen let's be wise, so bye!00:43
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+perlDreamerhail, preaction!01:13
+perlDreamerwhat have you been up to?01:13
@preactionfixing approval processes to be more easily pluggable01:14
@preactionno, i missed the L in HAIL01:14
+perlDreamermysql++: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/284926989/article.pl01:16
@apeironer. They decided to maintain status quo. By that logic, we should all get ++ every second we don't change. :)01:25
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@preactionyeah, mysql-- and sun-- for scaring people like that01:28
+perlDreamerhonestly, I think that's the remarkable part of the affair01:37
+perlDreamerthey announced that they were going to do something bad01:37
+perlDreamerrealized it was bad01:37
+perlDreamerthen changed their minds01:38
+perlDreamerthe best would have been not to have done it at all01:38
@preactionrealized it was bad is a euphamism for "realized major amounts of money could be lost"01:40
+perlDreamergood to see that the psychic link is back up :)01:40
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dionakhey, if anyone knows itnomad (jack), let's have a private conversation. 03:52
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doc777Anyone tried the DCarter80 theme that is in the addon section theme. It comes in 3 colors and you are supposed to be able to change it by "linking the style template to different .css color files.".   I have spent a few hours trying to figure out how to do this. If I click "edit" on the DCarter80_style it just refreshes the page and does not show an edit page. What am I missing here? 06:04
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+perlDreamerdoc777: BartJol was here earlier looking for you.06:15
+perlDreamercap10morgan: contgratulations on your PBWG!06:15
doc777Thank you, I got in a bit late. Maybe I can catch him in the morning ;)06:17
+perlDreamerI'm sure he'll be back after he gets some sleep.06:17
doc777Is there a way to extract files from a .wgpkg outside of webgui?06:41
@preactiontar xf06:44
@preactioni'm not sure if wgpkg are gzipped or not06:44
@preactioneither they're just tarred, or they're tarred and gzipped06:44
doc777will try that, thanks!06:44
+perlDreamerfile .wgpkg should tell you the format06:45
doc777Got it extracted. Mostly .json files so not really what I was looking for. ;)06:49
+perlDreamerall the data is in there, just in JSON format06:52
@preactionit's all the columns from the database06:52
doc777I have a template file dcarter80_style that will not let me edit it. It has a line in it pointing to the wrong snippet but I cannot get into it to change. Either through webgui or the file system. Also cannot seem to actually just download it, edit, upload like you would do with ftp. 06:55
doc777Was hoping to extract it, edit it, then upload it. But thats in a .json format and not a template so wrong turn there.06:56
doc777But I did get to look into the file and find the line that needed to be changed. Just no way seeable to change it.06:56
@preactionopen that up in a text editor, but if it won't let you edit from the web interface, i doubt it'll let you overwrite using a package06:56
@preactiondid you try copying and changing your copy?06:57
@preactionis it locked? does the yellow lock icon show up in the asset manager?06:58
doc777Hrm, let me give that a shot. When I click "Edit" it simply refreshes the page.06:58
@preactioncheck the error log?06:58
@preactionwith log level set to WARN or higher?06:58
doc777It is showing "unloacked". I didnt find anything in the webgui log about it.  (unsure on how to set the log level to a higher setting)06:59
doc777er unlocked....06:59
@preactionWebGUI/etc/log.conf, look for ERROR, change it to WARN06:59
doc777Will do...07:00
@preactionyou'll have to restart the webserver afterwards, of course07:01
doc777I find myself doing that a whole lot ;-)07:02
doc777Aha! Thank you for the log tip. Unable to find object error. I commented out the: "templateParsers" : ["WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTML::Template::Expr"],07:07
doc777 07:07
doc777and it let me edit. Thank you!07:07
@preactionseems like there are some errors that need to be bumped up in severity07:10
+perlDreamerpreaction: I suspect that the default log level could be left at warn if all the errors were set appropriately.07:13
@preactionso 404 gets bumped down to info?07:14
@preaction404 is the one that shows up the most when you put loglevel warn07:14
+perlDreamerthat's a httpd error07:14
@preactionAsset Not Found, then07:15
doc777The top of this template uses: </tmpl_if>  I am guessing that will require the Template::Expr parser or will the default do it?07:23
+perlDreamerdepends on what the other end of the <tmpl_if> look like07:24
+perlDreamertmpl_if is supported in both07:24
+perlDreamerit's the boolean that can be different with Expr07:24
doc777its a line like: <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn>  <tmpl_var controls>07:26
+perlDreamerthat will work in regular, old HTML::Template07:26
doc777Great! Thank you ;)07:26
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BartJo1grrr some people ar stupid16:51
BartJo1even more than me, that is16:51
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BartJo1morning to you Scott16:52
SDuensinGreetings and stuff.16:56
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jua1i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to ldap?17:39
jua1can i change it to WebGUI?17:39
Doc777I really cant guide you on that (new myself) But I am using webGUI auth and seems fine.17:41
BartJo1Doc777 already some succes with your greenbluered template]17:43
Doc777Anyone know what makes a theme look fine when admin is on but when off the site shows failsafe? No version tag to commit.17:43
Doc777Ah yes, Bart. Last night I saw someone mention setting logging to WARN so I did that and found in the log file there was an error about Template::Expr.   I commented that line out and restarted apache and it let me edit it now ;)17:44
BartJo1are you sure it is the same url17:45
Doc777Well it is the main url to the site. I tried clearing the cache, cleared browser cache. When logged in as Admin the template looks good. When Admin is off it is non existent and failsafe.17:46
BartJo1maybe the security settings for the template are not good17:47
Doc777Looked over them and they are set to Everyone view. Maybe I should reset them again for good measure.17:47
BartJo1so the page and style layout are both visible for everyone?17:48
Doc777Yea, who can view is set to everyone on both.17:49
BartJo1well, that's one thing that is correct :)17:50
Doc777Hehe, yes it is17:50
BartJo1mmm, then it becomes harder to tell, thinking...17:51
BartJo1I am deep thought :)17:52
Doc777It's ok, it has become a quest. Restarting random things at the moment ;)17:53
BartJo1just give me admin rights, so I can look :)17:54
BartJo1maybe it's a function you're calling17:55
BartJo1what's the template for the user function style in the settings?17:55
Doc777Not sure I follow you. Let me find that ;)17:56
BartJo1eeeh, it's in the settings, not sure which tab17:56
Doc777If the site was actually on the web I would but it is on our LAN until complete ;-)17:57
BartJo1it's in the tab UI17:57
Doc777Well I set it to the same as the site but nothing seemed to change. 17:59
BartJo1too bad... want more power!!17:59
Doc777I am sure it would help  ;)18:00
BartJo1so the next thing I can think of is a strange thing in the template, which is opened in the things that are visible for admin18:01
BartJo1but that would be strange18:01
BartJo1yeah, well18:02
BartJo1that's about it, for what I can think of...18:03
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Doc777That seems to be the case. I changed to another template and it worked fine. I changed back to this one and if admin is on it is fine but users see fail safe. So that has to be it. You are a genious!18:04
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BartJo1jee, that's something new for me18:06
BartJo1well then fix your template..18:06
Doc777It was downloaded from the add on section but I am guessing that has to be the issue as that is the symptoms.18:07
dionakwhich one did you download?18:09
Doc777Theme: Dcarter 8018:09
BartJo1but I think they have all clean url's18:10
BartJo1where are they?18:10
BartJo1mm that looks good, in my import18:11
BartJo1i have no problems18:12
Doc777Maybe this is an issue: In the asset tree you have ROOT > HOME | I have a folder called ROOT > STUFF and the template is in there. When I placed it in the HOME folder it showed up in various places on the site and in the navigation and such ;)   Do you think this is the issue?18:13
BartJo1it's about url's18:14
BartJo1and those are fixed in the package18:14
BartJo1it shouldn't matter18:14
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BartJo1mind the word shouldn't ;)18:15
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Doc777Found a clue in the apache log. 404 on the .css18:16
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BartJo1did you replace green with a good alternativ18:18
BartJo1eeh.... you lost one 7?!?18:18
BartJo1is the css file available for everyone then?18:19
Doc777Well here is the odd part. The actual snippet is called graceblue14.css and apache is looking for graceblue.css18:19
BartJo1is that the url or the title?18:20
Doc777The graceblue14 is the url, the graceblue is the title.18:21
BartJo1and the url to the css in the template and the url of the css match I suppose..18:21
Doc777From the site you can pull up /graceblue14.css and display the code. But /graceblue.css gives a 404. 18:22
BartJo1but what are the security setting of graceblue1418:22
BartJo1because in admin mode it does show doesn't it?18:22
Doc777yea... shows fine in admin mode. Failsafe when not. Security is set to Everyone can view.18:23
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BartJo1mmm getting desperate18:26
Doc777I think you hit on the right thing with the url in the template. It seems it needs to be set to the actual url of the snippet. (14). That probably got thrown off by having to reinstall the theme so many times because of the Template::Expr issue. 18:26
Doc777I think we are onto something as the colors are appearing ;)18:26
Doc777Hey thats a big thing for me ;)18:26
BartJo1(small) VICTORY!18:26
Doc777At last ;)18:27
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BartJo1now I will sleep with a comforted heart18:28
Doc777Thank you for so much help Bart. You figured it out through text. That is great! ;)18:31
BartJo1well, it took me some sweat too, but it's really hot right now in the netherlands18:31
BartJo1the cheeses are melting :)18:32
Doc777Ack! Cant have that.18:32
BartJo1we can't live without cheese, except MrHarigrease...18:33
Doc777lol, yea we love it here to. East coast usa.18:34
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BartJo1but now it's time to sit outside and drink a beer, only I have to find a partner in booze...18:35
@apeironBartJo1, Ship them to JT and pick them up at the WUC!18:36
Doc777There ya go ;)18:36
@apeironThey can work the Wisconsin cheese magic on them, too.18:37
BartJo1well, but are how am I supposed to maintaion myself till then?18:38
BartJo1wisconic cheese is also good18:38
BartJo1especially with aplle py18:38
Doc777Sure is!18:38
BartJo1apple pie18:38
BartJo1or is it Wisconsinic18:40
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lisetteI can know that users have been logged to date?18:43
@apeironlisette, You want to know that users have logged in on or before a specific date?18:44
@apeironlisette, The userLoginLog table in the DB has that info.18:45
BartJo1or in the login history in the admin console?18:49
BartJo1Gebruiker (identificatie) StatusLogin tijdIP adresUser agentAdmin (3)success10:15am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv: Gecko/20080404 Firefox/ (3)success10:12am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv: Gecko/20080404 Firefox/
BartJo1it's dutch, but anyway18:50
dionakthere's an icon in the admin console18:50
BartJo1go to the admin console and click on login history?18:50
BartJo1and yes, I use windows... , long live steve balmer!18:53
BartJo1oh eeeh18:53
BartJo1so long, and thanks for all the fish18:55
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elninogood morning!  This is probably a really dumb question, but I can seem to make this work.18:58
elninohold on. ..18:59
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elninodoes preaction=JT?19:14
@rizenrizen = JT19:14
@rizenpreaction = Famous Rockstar19:14
elninooh.  I have  a long winded explaination of my shortcut request if you want it. =)  otherwise, it's ok if you want to close my recent RFE19:15
@preactioni'm here for the atmosphere, sometimes the food's okay too19:15
@rizengive it19:15
elninook.. don't say I didnt' warn you...19:15
elninoMarketing hired a translater to translates a page into about 15 different languages. Their preference is for us to post the pages as they gave them to us "as is". Which I know I can do if I had used one of those by pass directorys.19:15
elninoI have choosen not do do this for the following reasons.19:15
elninoTheir html code was broken, and we wanted to post the pages within webgui so that marketing could modify links and the look of the site, and have that apply to these pages. And Also, as marketing already have done so, are starting to build additional pages underneath these initial pages.19:16
elninofollow so far?19:16
elninoSo back to my request. We are tired of them giving us broken pages, and they want to see the pages on the site (as they delivered them) - so they can see how broken they are, despite our efforts in sending screen shots and explaining what needs to be fixed and that they can see these if they just tested them. 19:18
elninoSo I choose to compromise by posting the pages as is" by using snippets. I choose this method so that marketing can still modify the pages within webgui and create pages underneath. 19:18
elninoDoing so, I found that I need to have subdirectory under each snippet for the supporting files (which I could avoid if they were posted the way I wanted to) and rather than uploading the same files 10 times over, I was hoping to use shortcuts, because no doubt they'll see their error and I will need to reupload all the files all over again.19:18
elninohopefully that makes sense. but I know there are alternative methods, so I'm fine if you don't think others will want "mass shortcutting" functionality.19:19
elninobut the reason why I logged on is, that is seems that the snippets (text/html)aren't picking up the conents of the sub directories, so I'm kinda scratching my head right now.19:20
elninopaths in the html files they gave us are relative, so I thought the folder under the snippet would work.19:22
@rizenthe position in the asset tree is irrelevant19:22
@rizenthe url is what's relevant19:22
@rizenso you can have just one folder19:23
@rizenand have them all use it19:23
@rizeni can't see your html,  but let's say they have a folder called "images" that they have stuff in19:23
@rizenso the image tag looks like:19:24
@rizen<img src="images/this.jpg">19:24
elninoso if a snippet has a image with the url of:  "images/header.jpg"    does webgui append a / in front of the path?19:24
@rizenlet me continue19:24
elninosorry - we typed at the same time.  please continue.19:25
@rizenand you have your HTML as  a snippet (containing the above tag) with a url of /foo/bar.html19:25
@rizenthen your images need to have a url of foo/bar/this.jpg19:26
@rizenthat may sound confusing, but keep in mind that WebGUI's asset tree has absolutely nothing to do with a traditional filesystem19:26
@rizenthe URLs are completely independent of the structure in the tree19:27
@rizenback to your request for RFE19:27
@rizenthat's a jury rig in the best case scenario. i don't want to encourage that behavior. request denied.19:27
@rizenthat's as much help as i can provide for now. must get back to work.19:28
elninodid you mean foo/bar/images/this.jpg?19:28
@rizenbar is the .html19:28
@rizenfoo is the folde rname19:28
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elninoin the snippet the image path is "images/this.jpg:19:28
elninoif anyone followed this, I do understand that placement of the images directory is irrelevant, I only placed it below the snippet so that the url of the images directory was generated automatically for me.  However, I think rizen is incorrect. 19:32
elninoin his example he referenced images/this.jpg  and said the url for the image needs to be foo/bar/this.jpg. even though his example the snippet references the images using the image directory?19:33
elninoit seems in his example it should be foo/bar/images/this.jpg.  Can someone confirm if that was a typo on his part?19:35
elninobut for good measure, I'll try what he suggested (without the images directory in the url)19:36
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elninoAnother question, does webgui drop the  .html portion when it's in the middle of a url?  in rizen's example:  it should be foo/bar/this.jpg, it seems to me that it should be: foo/bar.html/this.jpg?19:45
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6332 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update defaultValue in the group field of the PayDriver definition19:54
topsubIs there a way i can pull content profiling information in the search results template?20:14
+perlDreamersearch results template?20:14
+perlDreameryou mean sql report template?20:14
+perlDreamerwait, never mind20:14
+perlDreamerthe AOI macro20:15
+perlDreamer^AOIHits and ^AOIRank20:15
+perlDreamerthe SQL macro could also be used to pull the results with a custom query20:16
+perlDreamerif you mean you want content profiling info associated with the search results themselves, that could be very slow since you'd be making a query per asset.  But it would work.20:18
topsubwell when they do a search the results that come back we want to add the content profiling informatin into the template with the results20:18
topsubso you will see the File name + content profiling information as a list.  If that makes sence20:19
dionakhe's just saying that would work but be slower20:19
dionaki guess that the amount of overhead would be directly related to the number of results in a search query20:20
topsubah alright i will give it a shot20:20
dionakand the number of subsequent queries to retrieve the content profile data20:20
elninorizen - can't get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others Thank you for your time.20:21
+perlDreamerdionak: when you said unused variables in your email, do you mean existing template variables that aren't used (but could be) or template variables that are never used?20:22
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dionakthe post indicated, to me at least, that some variables were discovered in the templates to never be used. i was thinking i would need to verify that..20:26
dionaki really haven't looked20:26
dionakbut i'm pretty good at reverse engineering. 20:27
dionakplus, i figured i could ask you guys ;)20:27
+perlDreamerrizen has found that the more template variables, the slower the render and higher the memory usage20:28
+perlDreamerso removing those we can would be great20:28
dionakah, good. 20:29
+perlDreamerthere was even a plan in place at one time to remove replace i18n labels with i18n macro calls20:29
+perlDreamersince they're still faster than making template variables20:29
+perlDreamerand only the ones used are called20:29
+perlDreamerbut I don't know where those plans lie now20:29
+perlDreamerI'm guessing they take a back seat to C220:29
dionaki'm sure they do. commerce seems to be rolling along well from the comments we see20:30
+perlDreamerthere's a lot of progress being made, but it's a huge project20:30
dionakit sounds to me like the main goal would be to clean up the templates, make them more standard and accessible via css20:30
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dionakyes, it certainly is. 20:30
dionaki'm looking forward to seeing the end result, and i'm sure others are too. especially the devs.20:31
dionakare you working on that project at all?20:32
+perlDreamerI'm building the product20:32
dionakwhat part are you working on?20:32
dionakjust curious20:32
+perlDreamerand translating old products (asset based and commerce based) to the new Sku based product20:32
+perlDreamerplus testing, I wrote the Shipping drivers, the tax system and some other small things20:33
+perlmonkey2khenn: just want to verify this is you before giving that info out.  This is IRC after all.20:33
@khennyes it's me20:33
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: khenn is who you expect him to be20:33
+perlDreamerit's the right IP address and username20:33
@khennpd keeps track of these things!20:33
dionakare people posing as other people?20:34
@khennhe knows our IPs!!!20:34
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: knowing my ip.  That scares me.20:34
+perlDreamerplus, I have a backup20:34
+perlDreamerkhenn: which SQL query did you and I disagree over in the In/Out board?20:34
@khennheh I don't remember20:35
@khennwhat was that, a year ago or more?20:36
+perlDreamerI'm surprised y'all have kept me around that long :)20:37
+perlDreamerdionak: there's no one posing as other people so far20:37
+perlDreameralthough someone named BugCrusherMcgirk has tried to impersonate rizen a few times20:38
dionakso far... :)20:38
+perlDreamerand people have tried to come back and be beligerent using other aliases20:39
+perlDreameriPhoneGuy == maxScience20:39
+perlDreamerand some other alias, too, iirc20:39
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+perlDreamerhe's back!20:41
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+perlDreamerBugSlasherMcGurk: I don't see any better way to convert Commerce products into Sku products than instancing them one by one.  It's going to be slow.20:43
@BugSlasherMcGurkwhich side are you instanciating?20:44
@BugSlasherMcGurkyou can instanciate the new sku, but noth the other sides20:44
@BugSlasherMcGurkhere's the reason20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkthe upgrade will run once per site20:45
+perlDreameroh crap20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkand in one of those upgrade the commerce files will be deleted20:45
@BugSlasherMcGurkthen the subsequent ones won't work20:45
+perlDreamerokay, back to the drawing board (SQL) then20:46
@BugSlasherMcGurksorry man20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurkfor the record, i don't mind slow20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurkjust can't have break20:47
@BugSlasherMcGurk10 points who can tell me who Slasher McGurk is without looking on google or any other site20:47
+perlDreamerI'll just blame you for my faulty thinking, due to the bacterial infection you sent me.20:47
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@rizeni said i was sorry about that20:48
@rizenmy assistant screwed up the order20:48
+perlDreamerI get less forgiving when I'm sick20:48
@rizeni haven't gotten anything good done on shop  in the past two because i've been up at night nursing sick servers20:50
+perlDreameruh oh20:50
@rizenthere are at least 2 servers that are not on my christmas card list anymore20:50
+perlDreamerhardware problems?20:50
@rizenpreaction is right there with me...i don't know how he's still awake20:50
@rizensoftware problems20:50
@rizenthat are being really hard to diagnose20:50
@preactioncaffiene pill every morning, i'll probably end up crashing around 5:00p20:51
+perlDreamerMrHairgrease write beautiful perl code21:15
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elninorizen - I wasn't able to get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others. Thank you for your time. Much appreciated.21:36
elninono underlying apology and I didn't take anything personally =) thanks though. I know he's always working on webgui to make it even better and I totally understand that you guys have to keep focused on higher priority RFEs and bug reports.  I just wish people would use webgui more, it seems it's more popular in england, why would that be? you're based in WI, right? 21:53
+perlDreamerI'm basedin Portland, Oregon.  The Plain Black staff are based out of Wisconsin.21:53
@apeiron... mostly21:54
+perlDreamerwell, Steve is in Texas21:54
@apeiron<-- Pennsylvania21:54
+perlDreamerTavis is in Michigan?21:55
elnino<-- Minnesota (hiring?)21:56
elnino[are you] hiring?  =)21:57
+perlDreamerI wish21:57
+perlDreamerPlain Black does have a request open for a programmer.21:57
+perlDreamerIt's on their site21:58
@khennyeah PD, when are you finally going to turn us into $dayJob? =p21:59
@rizeni built the example i was telling you about21:59
@rizenwe can't hire perlDreamer21:59
@rizenhe doesn't live in Wisconsin21:59
@rizenremember, we're firing everyone not from wisconsin21:59
@apeironwait, wait22:00
elninohmm. I'm SO close to quiting my job.  nice people, but.... 22:00
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@apeironkhenn, You're *from* Illinois right?22:00
@apeironOh, thought you'd moved.22:00
@rizenhe was born in wisconsin22:00
@rizenlived all over22:00
@rizenand came back to wisconsin22:00
@rizento die22:00
@khennI lived in Illinois until I came to work for JT the slave driver22:00
@rizencuz frank is so OOOLD22:01
@rizenhe has gray hair22:01
+perlDreamerI'm older than all of you, so be careful22:01
@khennnot at the moment I don't =p22:01
+perlDreamerand mind your elders22:01
@rizenand his whole body is covered in wrinkles and liver spots22:01
@rizenat least that's what his wife tells me22:01
elninorizen: You set it up exactly like I originally did. From what I can tell your example has  the url of the image was foo/bar/images/this.jpg.  I must have had something else going on. No worries about this, I'm going back to do it the way I should have done it the first time around.22:02
@rizenmy image is foo/images/this.jpg22:02
@rizenno bar22:02
@rizenfeel free to log in and play around22:03
@rizeni set that beta site up for you22:03
elninooh good grief. I get it..  22:03
@rizenit will last for 24 hours22:03
elninoThank you.... no need....22:03
* rizen things elnino should come to the WUC22:04
+perlDreamerI think she said she applied to come22:04
elninoI'm working on it...  boss never replied.22:04
elninostill looking for money I guess.22:04
+perlDreamerdid you find a babysitter?22:04
@rizendo you work at U of M ?22:04
elninorizen: not to beat a dead horse, but your initial example said:  foo/bar/this.jpg22:05
@rizensue me22:05
elninoWe found a daycare center that would be willing to do only a week.22:05
@rizeni was in a hurry22:05
@rizenand you get what you pay for =)22:05
elninoobviously.... nope, I dont' work at the UofM.  Small manufacturing.22:06
@rizeni hear that U of M law department is setting up a WebGUI user group22:06
@rizenemail tavis@plainblack.com if you'd like to be introduced to them22:06
elninocomputer manufacturing.22:07
elninothanks for the headsup on UofM.22:08
elninorizen: works like a charm, thanks for being patient. You can certainly close and delte my RFE. =) I was seriously having a brain fart.22:12
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+perlDreamerrizen: commerce conversion 95% done.  I just need to build a short description for the variants.22:17
+perlDreamerafter lunch22:17
@rizennice doood22:22
@rizenwish i could say the same for the rest of the shop22:22
@rizenoh crap..i'm late. gotta go22:22
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CIA-6WebGUI: meatbop * r6333 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (Shelf.gif small/Shelf.gif): Added Shelf icons22:24
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jua1i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to WebGUI?22:40
+perlDreamereach user's authentication method can be set in 1 of 2 ways22:44
+perlDreamer1) From the Users screen in the Admin console22:44
+perlDreamer2) Doing it manually in the db22:44
+perlDreamerbut you'll need to transfer their password over to the webgui db22:44
jua1in the admin console, i have changed it to webgui22:45
jua1i am checking in the users table and all of them have ldap authentication22:46
jua1if i alter the table to WebGUI, have to transfer their password from ldap to webgui?22:48
jua1if a user has ldap authentication the password is always in ldap, webgui doesn't syncronize the password22:50
+perlDreamerI believe that to be true.  You can always check the table called authentication to check that.22:51
jua1if in the table authentication is the password, the only thing that i need to do is alter the table users22:52
@preactionjua1, no, the authentication table has a particular setup that will require you to edit it.22:53
jua1yes, i am checking22:55
jua1is more easy to delete all of them and create again using the userimport.pl22:59
jua1can i do that, if i have the users associated to groups?23:07
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): add more help about shortdesc length, and use the correct form option to set the length to 30 chars23:40
+perlDreameryay!  Commerce conversion done!23:50
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lisettei do a UserImport with the userImport.pl but i forget put the parameter allowChangePass, i need allow to user to change the password, how to do this?00:05
+perlDreameryou could redo the userImport00:06
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6335 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: conversion of Commerce products to Sku products done00:06
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6336 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: clean up the old Commerce tables, and close a statement handle00:06
+perlDreamerotherwise, the data is stored in the authentication table;00:07
+perlDreamerupdate authentication set fieldData=1 where fieldName='changePassword';00:09
+perlDreamernote that that does it for all users00:09
+perlDreamergood night, preaction00:20
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Doc777Question: I have a flashchat php app installed in a passthrough at ct/flashchat.php. It works great calling it by url. When I try and add this in a http proxy it attached http:// to the link and therefore breaks it. Is there a work around for something like this?00:29
+perlDreamerDoc777: Use the complete url, including the sitename00:29
+perlDreamerof course, one could ask why you'd want to proxy a piece of webgui back into WebGUI00:30
Doc777This is on a vserver which local address is not the same as the DNS address. It uses NAT so not that easy. The reason I am trying to do this is that flashchat is a php app that does not run in webgui? At least I cannot seem to make it do so... So I added a passthru to allow it to run on its on and would like to include it in a page....00:31
+perlDreamerah, good point00:32
Doc777Pulling up the flashchat.php works great.... But I would love to integrate it into the site.00:32
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lisetteas I do a load of users with userImport.pl with e-mail each user?00:39
+perlDreamerit will not send email to the users as you do a new userImport00:41
lisettei need register the user with the e-mail, but the e-mail isn't part of the information of user, is the profile00:42
+perlDreameryou can add userProfile fields to the data that you send to userImport.pl00:42
lisettelike a column?00:43
+perlDreamer"In addition to the field names above, you may use any valid profile field name."00:43
+perlDreamername the column the same as the userProfile field00:43
lisettei try insert a email with point example: david.algo@algo.com, and this field don't save, why?00:45
@preactionanyone else having trouble committing content on latest SVN?00:45
+perlDreamerpreaction: since I think I committed the latest SVN, I would say no00:46
+perlDreamerbut I'll try again00:46
+perlDreamerjust committed 633700:46
@preactionso spectre and committing version tags worked fine?00:47
lisettei do this by the administrator console00:47
+perlDreamerhaven't tried that00:47
+perlDreamerpreaction: manual commit or autocommit?00:47
@preactionauto, as default00:48
@preactionif the problem is what i think it is, though, it shouldn't matter00:48
+perlDreameredited the Welcome article00:49
+perlDreamercontent was accepted00:49
+perlDreamerno version tag showing00:49
+perlDreamer(in the adminBar)00:49
+perlDreamerno lock icon in the edit bar00:50
+perlDreamerwhat should I be looking for/attempting to do exactly?00:50
+perlDreamerand I'm fully up to date, with the exception of the shelf icons from Steve today00:50
@preactioni'm seeing it get committed, and then the activity seems to return "undefined", which causes problems00:51
+perlDreamerwith autocommit, do you need to have spectre actually running?00:52
* perlDreamer begins to feel foolish00:52
@preactionthere's a new twist: there are no realtime workflows anymore00:52
@preactionall workflows are assumed to be realtime until they take too long, then they're handed off to spectre00:53
@preactioni don't know how that works, but that's what happens00:53
+perlDreamerI'll start spectre, and try again00:53
+perlDreamerwhat direct symptom am I looking for?00:53
@preactioni don't know how activities are supposed to handle running for 10 seconds, getting stopped, and then starting again when spectre gets to them, but that's what happens00:53
@preactionyour content doesn't show up00:53
+perlDreamerokay, spectre up00:54
@preactionthe log file, in INFO mode, shows 4 lines: Trying to execute, Completed Activity for Workflow, Could not complete workflow instance in real time, and then Something bad happened00:54
+perlDreamerthat's not what I got00:55
+perlDreamerI got my content, and this in the WebGUI.log file00:55
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6337 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: prep code for removing the Product macro from webgui.conf file00:55
@preactionthen it's something over here00:55
+perlDreamer2008/05/07 14:47:03 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mywebgui.conf at http://mywebgui.localdomain:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 read timeout00:55
@preactionthat's a problem, but not the same problem00:55
@preactionit would hide the problem i'm seeing though00:55
@preactionalso, now there's a problem in the upgrade script. a misspelling of a table name i think00:56
@preactionDBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown table 'productparameteroptionss' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.00:56
+perlDreamerthat sounds like something I wrote00:57
+perlDreamerare you up to date?00:57
+perlDreamera table by that name exists, with camel case00:58
+perlDreamerinstead of all lower case00:59
+perlDreamerand one fewer s00:59
@preactionthe extra S at the end perhaps?00:59
+perlDreamersorry, man01:00
@preactioni still have the other issue probably01:00
+perlDreamerI'll figure out why spectre can't talk to my site01:01
+perlDreamerand maybe I'll be able to duplicate your problem01:01
+perlDreamercommitted a fix for that typo01:02
+perlDreamerokay, weird01:04
+perlDreamerspectre --test says everything is okay01:04
@preactionweird indeed01:05
+perlDreamerWebGUI's spectre screen says everything is okay01:05
+perlDreamerbut webgui.log is filling up with 2008/05/07 14:53:59 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of mywebgui.localdomain - 5uhHUs8Xqsl2YHe6P5M6KA. <HTML>01:05
@preactioni think i figured out my problem, i was setting a defaultVersionTagWorkflow that doesn't exist anymore01:06
@preactionbut i'm testing01:06
@preactiondid you restart spectre too?01:06
+perlDreamerI'm rebuilding the site from scratch to make sure the script works right01:06
+perlDreamerand translating the commerce takes a while01:06
+perlDreamer3-4 minutes for 838 products01:06
+perlDreamerTiffany was kind enough to donate some real-life product data for me to test converting01:07
@preactionnevermind though, it's working now01:08
+perlDreameroh, good01:08
+perlDreamerwant to fix my site next?01:08
@apeironopera-- # apparently completely valid XHTML Strict 1.0 isn't good enough for it01:11
+perlDreamermine seems to be working now as well01:13
+perlDreamerwhy isn't my computer smart enough to know that "ate" really means "date"?01:14
+perlDreamerlisette: about your earlier email address problem.  Could you please repeat what's going on?01:15
jua1perlDreamer, lisette is not in the office now but i know the problem01:20
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6338 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix a typo in the name of a Commerce table to be dropped01:20
jua1the problem is, i want to add a user in the admin console and my username name is like juan.gallego and the email will be juan.gallego@algo.com01:21
+perlDreamerokay, and it's not working?01:22
+perlDreamerit could be 1 of 2 problems01:22
+perlDreamer1) emails are required to be unique, so someone else may have that email01:22
jua1then i try to edit the profile and the email doesn't exist01:23
+perlDreamer2) more likely, there is a bug in the email validation code that is rejecting the email address01:23
jua1i am going to check in the database01:24
+perlDreamerHaarg: has the "dot in email address" fix been ported to 7.5?01:26
@Haargi believe so01:26
@Haargdoesn't look like it01:27
+perlDreamerjua1: this bug was fixed in WebGUI 7.4.3401:27
+perlDreamerare you using 7.4, or 7.5?01:27
+perlDreamerbecuase the next 7.5 fix won't be out for 3 more weeks01:28
+perlDreamerokay, I would recommend upgrading, then01:28
+perlDreamerDon't thank me yet, we don't know for sure that it will fix your problem01:29
+perlDreamerPero yo espero que si01:29
jua1eso espero01:30
jua1que si01:30
+perlDreamerthank you01:30
+perlDreamerjau1: in that sentence, is "espero" a noun or a verb?01:37
jua1el verbo es esperar01:42
jua1en la setencia es un noun01:44
jua1when I am saying espero is in that setence is because i have a certain security that the upgrade can correct the errors01:44
+perlDreamerI understand.  You weren't correcting what I was saying.01:44
jua1instead of the verb esperar that is the time while the upgrade is executed01:45
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6339 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Form/Email.t: back port additional email address tests01:48
jua1is clear?01:48
+perlDreamerI think so01:49
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Doc777Anyone know how I can remove the site name text off the top of the site? I have my own graphic there but the site name text displays over the top ;)02:08
+perlDreamerDoc777: that would be in your style template02:09
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6340 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: begin documenting the Product changes in the gotchas.txt file02:09
Doc777Thank you. Digging through that but does not seem to be there, at least that I can find... Maybe it is obfusacated ;)02:10
@preactionit's the ^c; macro, the CompanyName macro02:10
Doc777Something like this one: <h1>^H(^c(););</h1>   ?02:11
Doc777Yep, I would have never guessed that was the site name ;)02:12
@preaction^H; for the home page link, ^c; for the company name02:12
+perlDreamerDoc777: You can find out what macros mean in your website by using the Help system02:12
+perlDreamerGo to the Help icon in the admin console02:12
+perlDreamerand choose List of macros02:12
+perlDreamerit will tell you the name and shortcut for all macros on your site02:13
Doc777Aye but what stumped me was looking for the site name in a lot of code. When actually I was looking for ^c.02:13
+perlDreamerpreaction: I need to talk through an idea.  Do you have 5-10 minutes?02:16
+perlDreamerso I'm working on the C2 update02:16
+perlDreamerIn C2, instead of the Product macro, you use the AssetProxy macro instead02:16
@preactionI thought Skus were assets now, do we need AssetProxy at all?02:17
+perlDreamerall existing Commerce products are dropped into a folder off of root02:17
+perlDreamerand during the conversion, assets that use them (article, snippet, layout and template) need to be converted to use the AssetProxy macro instead02:18
@preactionso assetproxy is just needed as a conversion, in the future we won't really NEED it02:18
@preactionbut okay02:18
+perlDreamerif you want to display the same product on two pages, you still need AssetProxy02:19
+perlDreamerbut really, you should be using Shelf02:19
+perlDreamerso during the upgrade, we don't shut down all the WebGUI commerce sites in the world :)02:19
+perlDreamerSo I need to go through that list of assets02:19
+perlDreamerand it would be really easy to do it in the db02:19
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+perlDreamerbut I'm wondering if it would be better to do through the API02:20
+perlDreamerand actually register a version change02:20
@preactionbut if they rolled back the version, their asset would break02:20
@preactionit wouldn't work as they expected it to02:20
+perlDreameryes, since it would go back to using the Product macro02:21
+perlDreamerso you think it would be better to update all revisions of the asset, using the db?02:21
@preactioni think it would be faster, easier, and work just as well02:22
+perlDreamerit would also allow all the wobjects to be handled in one fell swoop02:23
+perlDreamerokay, db it is02:23
+perlDreamerthanks, preaction02:24
+perlDreamerI wish you and rizen lots of luck with your recalcitrant servers02:24
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@preactioni'm currently coming up with a method to send bolts of electricity over TCP/IP02:25
+perlDreamerI'd recommend using POE instead02:26
+perlDreamermuch safer02:26
+perlDreameralthough somewhat limited in quantity of power02:26
+perlDreamerhow much electricity are we talking about here?02:26
@preactionenough to shut the system up02:26
@preactionmake it think long and hard about what it did02:26
+perlDreamerI see, you want a voltage paddle02:26
@preactionenough so that it does not do it again02:27
+perlDreamersend it to its room for a timeout?02:27
@preactioncall it spareNotTheRod.pl02:27
@preactionor just TheRod02:27
+perlDreamerif we could get a lot of cats, wearing wool socks walking across a carpet...02:28
+perlDreamerIt's pretty hard, but not impossible to do, with servers on UPSes02:30
+perlDreamerthe UPSes also act as surge suppressors (big caps)02:31
+perlDreameryou'd need to do it right at the machine02:31
@preactionthat's why we'd have to go in through the network cables02:31
@preactionthey'd never suspect it02:31
+perlDreamerthe network cables are only good for maybe 10W02:31
+perlDreamerthe server would laugh at that02:31
@preactioncan't spank it and not mean it, it'll get even more unruly...02:32
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cap10morganperlDreamer: thanks for the congrats last night :) didn't see it until this morning.03:51
+Radix-wrknice interview cap10morgan - but i have to ask.. why pose with a barbie basketball? :)03:59
cap10morganRadix-wrk: because it's there?03:59
+Radix-wrkit looks like you're showing it off ;)04:00
+Radix-wrkcongrats on the nomination tho :)04:00
cap10morganoh, i am ;)04:03
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+perlDreamercap10morgan: you're welcome.  Keep up the good work!04:17
cap10morganthanks! :)04:18
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+perlDreamerand there's 2/3 of the Product macro conversion done05:04
+perlDreamerman I'm getting tired05:04
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6341 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 05:10
CIA-6WebGUI: Update all Wobjects, and snippets from using the Product05:10
CIA-6WebGUI: Macro to using AssetProxy. The loadProductAsset.pl script is05:10
CIA-6WebGUI: for testing the conversion.05:10
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+perlDreameryo, khenn06:01
@khennwhat's up dreamer?06:02
+perlDreamerhave you applied/checked my patch yet?06:02
@khennsent it off to the client.  No word yet06:02
@khennI assume all is well06:02
+perlDreamerI tested it, but it's always nice to have other experienced eyes06:02
@khennwe'll follow up at some point this week06:02
+perlDreamerso what's keeping you busy nowadays?06:03
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6342 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add templates to the mix. Product macro template scan and update done06:35
pilaf153To run a cascading menu that is a mouseover do you have to use java or are there macros or packages out there that can do this?06:37
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+perlDreamerpilaf153: I'd recommend looking at the existing Navigation templates, and the Add Ons section at webgui.org06:42
pilaf153I have been looking through them but cant seem to find one that does what I need.  I will keep looking though.06:44
+perlDreamerI haven't looked into this for a while, but I seem to remember that Cool Menus will do that.06:48
+perlDreameryeah, Cool Menu is the one06:49
pilaf153that is one that already exists in the install?  I am positive I tried all of them.  06:49
+perlDreamerYes, it's in the install06:50
+perlDreamerI've tried it out in the Demo site06:50
pilaf153I will check it again does it need any modification06:50
+perlDreamerit needs to be customized for your style06:50
+perlDreamerthe one I have is just the default06:50
+perlDreamerIt's the big green "Home" box in the middle of the banner06:51
pilaf153ok I wll play with it and see if I can make it work.  Thanks for the info06:53
+perlDreamerthis add on may be of interest as well: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/accordianstyle-menu-using-jquery--v7_4_30-#jcL74yZTdMuc7SYgvc_j-Q06:54
pilaf153yeah I tried installing this in the latest version and it wasnt wokring06:55
+perlDreamerwhich latest?  7.5 or 7.4?06:55
+perlDreamertopsub seems to be good about taking care of his add ons06:57
+perlDreamerI wouldn't doubt he'll be looking at it soon06:58
+perlDreameryou _could_ come back tomorrow during the day (East code American time) and ask him in the channel06:58
pilaf153thanks for all the help. I am out for now06:59
+perlDreameryou're welcome06:59
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BartJo3good afternoon gentlemen16:42
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+perlmonkey2good afternoon.16:44
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6343 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added randomize answers functionality (how was this missing?)17:04
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SquOnkHi everyone17:09
SquOnkrizen: You there?17:11
SquOnkrizen: Just to let you know... My sponsor has given the A-OK to the webgui package...17:12
@rizenSo this will be going into Lenny for sure then?17:12
SquOnkrizen: ...I just got mail from the debian-volatile team. They coordinate the way upgrades are handled for packages such as webgui17:12
SquOnkrizen: Yes. Target is Lenny and it will be there.17:13
SquOnkrizen: I expect an upload over this weekend.17:13
@rizenyou rule SquOnk17:13
SquOnkrizen: Debian Rules17:13
SquOnkrizen: Have you tested webgui with Perl 5.10?17:14
@rizenno not yet...spending all my time trying to finish up WebGUI 7.517:14
SquOnkrizen: All right.17:14
@rizenafter that comes out i'll start playing with Perl 5.1017:14
SquOnkrizen: Lenny will have Perl 5.1017:14
@rizenso i better test then17:15
SquOnkrizen: I can tell you the upgrade scripts work since I've just tested them.17:15
@rizeni don't think there will be a problem17:15
SquOnkrizen: Me neither, but one has to trust but verify17:15
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6344 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (editsurvey/section.js survey.css administersurvey.js): Added IE7 compat in administersurvey.js for class changes.17:54
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+perlmonkey2khenn: What did you think?  The editor is still rough around the edges for sure.  The options should be more contextualized and the layout cleaned up.  But the administration of the survey is coming along nicely I think.  18:53
+perlmonkey2dang perlDreamer's day job.18:59
+perlmonkey2doens't he know he needs to be available here 24/7?  I need his pager number :P18:59
@rizenso do i19:00
@rizenunfortunately he makes about 1 billion dollars per second in his day job19:00
@rizenif i could afford him, i would have hired him already, just so he's always available to everyone19:01
+perlmonkey2can't you bribe him with cherry referrals to his consulting biz?19:01
+perlmonkey2maybe an unlimited supply of gooey dolls?19:02
@rizeni've tried everything19:02
@rizeni even tried threatening to withhold gooey dolls19:04
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@preaction_perlbot botsnack19:37
perlbotI'm not your prank monkey19:37
Doc777Anyone able to tell me what I am missing. When uploading a picture to the "Gallery" the thumbnail is not created. And this is logged: "Exception 420: no decode delegate for this image format"  .jpg19:38
lisetteDoc77: Where is your question about this?19:40
Doc777Hrm, well I would like to upload a .jpg picture and have it create the thumbname I guess... It says no decode delate. 19:42
@preaction_sounds like Image magick or graphics magick isn't installed correctly, or you're not actually uploading a jpg19:43
Doc777Its a .jpg for sure. so maybe something up with Image Magick.19:45
+perlmonkey2rizen: if you have a sec (or anyone else with a thought on the matter), I've been pondering how and if JSON serialization of the survey objects (not the results) would work.  I'm thinking a single column in the survey table which would contain the serialized survey object, which contains sections->question groups->questions->answers.  The only problem I see is having class instances serialize/deserialize themselves.19:53
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+perlDreamermajor attendance of PB folk20:14
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: I'm here now.20:16
@khennis yung around?20:17
@khennperlmonkey2:  Haven't had a chance to take a look yet.  I plan on doing it shortly though20:17
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: what do you think of a single column to contain the entire survey?  A serialized data structure of a survey->sections->question groups->answers with objects which know how to handling their own serialization.  Then the entire survey can be loaded once, used as needed, then serialized and stored if changes were made?20:19
+perlmonkey2I'm guessing (but not by much), that deserealization and loading the data into objects will take a lot less time than 20ms, the minimum time I can make a simple DB all in.20:20
+perlmonkey2So it is easier to use the data, and much faster overall.20:20
+perlDreamerweren't you saying the other day that a large, monolithic structure wouldn't work because you could whip out a 500 MB survey file and fill all the available physical memory of the server?20:21
+perlmonkey2well, that20:21
+perlmonkey2's if it included the results.  But that woudul be silly20:22
+perlDreameroh, I see20:22
+perlmonkey2or at least that's what perlDreamer told me about 5 times :P20:22
+perlDreameranswers are available choices20:22
+perlDreamernot responses20:22
+perlDreamerwell, in that case20:22
+perlDreamerI have no idea, I'll have to think about it further.20:22
+perlmonkey2a response is an instance of a taken survey, a question response is a response toa question, etc.20:22
+perlmonkey2But the only drawback is loading the entire survey into memory upon every call.  And if size became an issue, compressing the text wouldn't be hard to add?  I mean since it is searlized in the DB, what does it matter if the text is compressed?  And all these functions are magnitudes faster than DB calls.20:23
+perlDreamerI don't think you'd need in memory compression of the data20:24
+perlmonkey2well, just thinking if someone writes a 10,000 very wordy set of questions, it might be necessary.20:25
+perlDreamerIMO (read that as the following set of bytes are of low value) that's a performance barrier to cross when we reach it20:27
+perlmonkey2but compression is just sexy :P  but I agree.  It would be far easier to just have a cap on survey sizes and if they need bigger, just create a second survey which the first redirects to on completion and the user won't notice anything except one of the pages required a reload (which on a fast connection they might not even notice).20:28
+perlDreameragree about sexiness, worried about May 31 being only 22 days and 12 hours away :)20:29
+perlmonkey2bah, I've learned so much, I can rewrite this thing, with the 3x as many requirements, in a week.  :P  20:30
+perlmonkey2If only I could stop getting emails asking me to tweak templates so that blue bars are wider, thinner, longer, shorter, maybe I could get someting done.  20:30
+perlDreameryou need a perlmonkey3 who is in charge of UI customization20:31
+perlmonkey2I have one, but he's slightly more worthless than perlmonkey220:32
+perlmonkey2He's actually supposed to be doing the template customizations, but they don't ever get done, so I'm doing them.20:32
+perlDreamerone small word of advice from someone who is old20:32
+perlmonkey2I have no idea what he did the last 48 hours he had to do this long list of visual changes, but it wasn't doing the visual changes.20:32
+perlDreamerWhile it is good that projects meet deadlines, sometimes it is better that they fail so that issues can be escalated.20:33
* perlDreamer takes off his yoda robe now :)20:33
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Doc777When trying to install Image::Magick it fails with: "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" The only one that locate finds on the system is: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". Is this what it is looking for or a missing library file...21:49
Doc777I have already downloaded and installed imagemagick but cpan wants to install Perl::Magick.21:49
dionakperlmagick is the perl interface for imagemagick21:51
dionakso you would need it if you're using image magick with webgui21:52
SquOnkaptitude install perlmagick :-)21:52
dionakwould that install it in the right place? 21:52
Doc777That is what I was thinking so was trying to install it. It is searching for MagickCore and the only one on the system is "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". So do I have a missing library?21:53
dionakidk. is that what it was looking for, MagickCore.h?21:54
dionakif so, maybe it's not in the include path...21:54
@apeiron-l indicates a shared library, typically something that ends in .so. .h are C header files, plaintext files containing C source.21:57
Doc777cpan: install Perl::Magick = "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore"21:57
Doc777Doing a locate -u and locate MagickCore only shows: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h"21:58
@apeironDoc777, Typically you install Perl::Magick with ImageMagick because the two are... fragile, shall we say.21:58
Doc777Yep, crashed and burned ;)21:58
dionakis graphics magick easier?21:59
Doc777Downloaded and installed that to... no errors. But does not work in webgui.21:59
+perlmonkey2We promise they won't take over your spaceship?21:59
@apeironperlmonkey2, Correct.21:59
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+perlmonkey2rizen: the button issue is fixed.  But I can't replicated the slider issue in FF or IE7.  Perhaps it was caused by the button code failure?22:34
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@rizenlikely, i'm not seeing it anymore22:46
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+perlmonkey2rizen: well, that is a shaky one to view.  I would give you access to the testing machine which has the latest (somewhat)stable, but that is at $work, and I can't give access to non-employees.23:20
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6345 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): IE problems apparently resolved, and slider and multi-slider allocate accuracy made bullet-proof.23:25
CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6346 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: template vars altered23:25
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knowmadHey folks!23:39
+perlDreamerhowdy, knowmad23:39
knowmadhi pd23:40
knowmadi've got a metadata question for you this afternoon23:40
+perlDreamerbring it on!23:40
knowmadis there a way to create HTMLAreas or other form elements as meta data properties?23:41
+perlDreamer-types=> [ qw /text integer yesNo selectBox radioList checkList/ ]23:42
+perlDreamerthat's from AssetMetaData.pm23:42
knowmadwhy so limited?23:42
+perlDreamerno idea23:42
+perlDreamerHTMLAreas are really only special text fields23:42
knowmadrizen: why can't i build a metadata property with HTMLArea type?23:42
@rizencuz you can't23:42
@rizenhow do you like that23:42
knowmadthat sucks23:43
@rizenyou can change it if you want23:43
knowmadyou told me about all these great new goodness in 7.5 data forms and got me excited23:43
@rizenthere's no technical reason any longer not to support all types23:43
knowmadsweet! 23:43
+perlDreamerso rizen, would a check on dynamicFormCompatible be apropos?23:43
@rizenwell all dynamic compatible types23:43
@rizensee svn WebGUI::Form::Control for details23:44
@rizenor just using the FieldType and DynamicField controls in conjunction23:44
knowmadwould it be an RFE to add ability to manage the types of meta data properties available?23:44
@rizenwith the new form api in 7.5 there's no real limit23:44
knowmadi could see where some sites will want only a limited list23:44
@rizeni see no reason to do that, but if you want to submit the rfe go ahead23:45
@rizenbecause it's the admin that sets up the metadata fields23:45
knowmadthat answers my question23:45
knowmadbut then every site gets the same list if you modify the Metadata module23:46
knowmadno way to control it like you can with the SQL Form asset23:46
@rizendo you know what you're talking about knowmad?23:46
@rizenor are you just spewing23:46
knowmadi know what *I'm* talking about23:47
knowmadi think we need to use the Vulcan mindmeld to get it across the ether though23:47
knowmadit can wait til the WUC23:47
knowmadgives me something to add to my list for you ;)23:47
@rizenkeep in mind you don't have exclusive access to me at the wuc like you did at GTS23:48
@rizenyour list needs to be much shorter23:48
knowmadi'll let the important ones sort to top23:49
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@rizenwith data form you're creating multiple forms23:50
@rizenwith metadata, it's global23:50
@rizento the whole site23:50
@rizenonly admins set it up23:50
@rizenso there's no reason to limit the list23:50
@rizenthat's what i'm saying23:50
+perlDreamerrizen: I'm confused.  WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->get('types') != WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->getTypes(), right?23:51
@rizenyou can provide a limit to the FieldType function23:52
@rizento only list the ones you want23:52
@rizenby default it lists all dynamic compatible types23:53
+perlDreamerhow does it build that list by default?23:53
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@rizenit checks the isDynamicCompatible() method23:54
@rizenon all field types23:54
+perlDreamerrizen: I'm too sick and stupid to see how that works right now.  But I don't see any code that does that23:58
+perlDreamerby default, I think it builds the empty list23:58
+perlDreamerand the code in Operation/ProfileSettings will see that23:59
@rizenyou are sick23:59
@rizensee the getTypes() method in FieldType23:59
--- Day changed Fri May 09 2008
+perlDreamerI see that.  Operation/ProfileSettings doesn't use that00:00
@rizeni didn't say it does00:00
+perlDreamerI know.  Should it?00:00
@rizenand so should metadata, dataform, sqlform, and any other place that uses dynamic field types00:00
@rizencurrently only the new stuff uses it: ems and thingy00:01
@rizenit was written for them00:01
@rizenwith the intention of being backported to everything else eventually00:01
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knowmadOK, now I see the point rizen is making about letting all the data type editors flow into metadata00:21
knowmadhey, perlDreamer, sorry to hear you're sick; hope you didn't have what i had last week; I was miserable with flu, fever, sore throat, coughing, congestion, etc.00:21
+perlDreamerno, nasal/sinus and eye and low energy00:22
+perlDreamerit's something that rizen's friend xander came up with00:22
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6347 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: fix a bug where no data fields where available in the user profile field editor00:22
+perlDreamermy allergy medicine isn't helping much00:22
+perlDreamerIt seems to be getting better though00:40
+perlDreamerand the Sku/Product is close to being done00:40
+perlDreamerThe Wobject -> Sku Product conversion is done00:40
+perlDreamerthe Commerce -> Sku Product conversion is done00:40
+perlDreamerand the Product macro conversion is done00:40
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@rizenyou rock pd00:45
@rizenoh, and just to be clear about FieldType and getTypes00:45
@rizengetTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new00:45
+perlDreamerit is?00:46
@rizenit's not called in new()00:46
@rizenbut it is00:46
@rizenstop being sick00:46
@rizenget offline00:46
@rizendrink chicken soup00:46
+perlDreamerthat's a handy trick. How did you make it do that?00:46
@rizenget some sleep00:46
+perlDreamerI'm actually at work today00:47
@rizenit's called in toHtml()00:47
@rizencuz whether you leave it empty or you specify types00:48
@rizengetTypes() is called00:48
@rizengetTypes() is what gives the human readable names to all the types00:48
+perlDreamerI think I understand garbled crap now00:49
+perlDreamergrabled crap is english with the emphasis and punctuation removed00:49
+perlDreamer(14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new00:50
+perlDreamerthat means that getTypes is called when new is called00:50
+perlDreamerbut you actuall meant this00:50
+perlDreamer (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically, if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new00:50
@rizenyou are starting to understand the basics of garbled crap00:51
@rizengp,yo,d hstn;rf vts[ ;ppd ;olr yjod yjpihj00:52
@rizentranslated: sometimes garbled crap looks like this though00:53
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+perlDreamerthat must be graduate level garbled crap00:58
@apeironnono, that's postdoc garbled crap.00:59
SquOnkrizen: The package has just been uploaded to the incoming queue.01:16
SquOnkrizen: I will receive a message from DAK (the robot) confirming upload.01:16
SquOnkrizen: And then I will either receive an accepting message saying that the package will make it into Sid shortly, or a refusing message stating whatever things need to be fixed.01:17
SquOnkrizen: If anything needs to be fixed, it will not be packaging form but rather licensing issues that I might have overlooked.01:17
SquOnkrizen: In the latter case, I'll be here asking for help :-)01:18
@rizenthanks for the update squ0nk01:19
@rizenoh...can you please have a look at plainblack.com/tbb01:19
@rizensomeone asked a question of you out there01:19
CIA-6WebGUI: meatbop * r6348 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_thingy-templates.wgpkg: Added new dynamic dropdown to let users move between Things01:20
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SquOnkrizen: I guess he understood that I was maintaining webgui packages IN Debian :-) I was maintaining MY OWN Debian packages.01:26
SquOnkrizen: There were several attempts at packaging WebGUI in Debian but for some reason it never took.01:26
@rizencould you reply to him and say that please01:27
SquOnkrizen: Sure. I'll do it later from home. I've got to go now.01:27
@rizenyeah, i wasn't trying to say that you were doing it in debian all these years. if you were, then there would be no reason to do this blog post and be all excited about it today01:27
@rizenok bye01:27
SquOnkSee you tomorrow01:28
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@rizendoes anybody know how to lock a column in open office so that when you scroll right the one colum stays in position while the others move05:09
@rizeni think it's called a pivot table in ms excel05:09
+perlmonkey2rizen you mean something like in window where you split the screen on a column?05:19
@rizeni guess so05:19
@rizeni think it was all one window though when i saw it last05:20
+perlmonkey2I'm not sure if that's what you want, but it should emulate it.05:20
@rizenii don't do advanced spreadsheet stuff all that often though so i don't really know how to ask for it05:20
@rizenso how do i do it?05:20
@rizendo you know?05:20
+perlmonkey2I think you just select the column you want to keep in view and then Window->split and then the window is split and you can scroll either window.05:21
@rizenhmm that doesn't seem to be working for me05:22
+perlmonkey2I once wrote a little app in Calc for figuring out arbitrages for N number of bets, but that was the limit of my "advanced" spreadsheet usage.05:22
+perlmonkey2Doesn't devide into two windows?05:23
@rizeni have a spreadsheet that fits across 15 sheets that i use for forecasting pb budgets05:23
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@rizenit's a big spreadsheet, but not terribly advanced05:23
+perlmonkey2oh, ic.  Yeah, I'm leading you astray.05:24
knowmadrizen: how many columns do you want locked? only A?05:25
@rizenyeah A05:26
knowmadif so, select column B1 then select Window : Freeze05:26
@rizenwell and if i can get it, then 1 also05:26
@rizenboth have labels05:26
@rizenand i want to see the labels all the way across05:26
knowmadif you want column A and row 1 to always be locked, choose B2 then Window : Freeze05:26
Doc777Excuse me, When using a forum is there a way to disable the ratings?05:27
@rizendear god that's awesome05:27
@rizenthank you05:27
@rizenDoc777, the only way is to remove the ratings from the templates05:27
@rizenthere's no switch05:27
@rizenthough that might be a good switch05:27
Doc777Fair enough, thanks ;-)05:27
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elninonot exactly webgui qustion, does anyone know anything about windows-1251 encoding and mysql?06:46
elninomaybe I should ask this instead....  Looks like webgui stores it's data as utf-8. Can someone confirm?06:52
+Radix-wrkyup, pretty sure it does06:53
@apeironLooking at docs/create.sql, I see lots of CHARSET=utf806:54
elninogood enough for me.. I was given windows-1252 and it was displaying all weird, so I confired it to utf-8 in my browser and stored the source of that page in webgui and it worked great.  I'll just tiell my russian friends they need to give me utf-8.  Thanks!!!06:55
@apeironYou *could* convert it in Perl.06:55
elninodon't go there. I've spent too much time on this... But thanks...06:55
@apeironIt's really quite simple actually. use Encode qw/encode decode/; my $raw = decode('Windows-1251, $input); my $utf8 = encode('UTF-8, $raw);06:57
@apeironWell, Windows-1252 in your case.06:57
@apeironAlthough yeah, it would be more maintainable to just get UTF8 from the start. :)06:58
elninoOh. Ok, I'll keep it in mind. I have my fingers crossed that they are ok with utf-8 - don't see why not, it's as standard as one gets... 06:59
@apeironYup. If they're not, Perl can help you. :)06:59
elninoIf i'm reading this right, your suggestion is to replace what I did with the browser.. it would still be stored in mysql as utf-8, right?07:00
@apeironNot sure what you're saying re the browser.07:00
@apeironMy suggestion was to, if needed, using Perl, convert the data from the encoding you're getting to UTF-8.07:01
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elninook. yep. And I did the same thing using the broswer's encoding settings to do the same thing.    07:02
elninoFor a while, I thought you were explaining how to store the data in mysql as different encoding.07:02
@apeironheh, well, if you want to store it as UTF8, you have to convert it to UTF8, yes? :)07:02
@apeironStore it and have it actually stored *properly*, that is...07:03
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elninoI was thrown for a loop as to why they gave me windows-1252.. yuck.07:03
@apeironAsk them. :)07:03
elninowe're good. I can get some rest now... nothing is worse than having something unresolved and lying awake thinking about it.07:04
@apeironick, indeed.07:04
elninoHave a great night. THank you for the quick responses!07:05
@apeironheh, no worries. Gnight!07:05
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+perlDreamerrizen: art thou present?07:42
+perlDreamerI summon thee in the name of CeeToo07:42
+perlDreamer(not to be confused with Shek Two)07:42
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aselpilotIs there any way to imbed an .swf into an article?  I attempted to modify the html source but am unable to update it.14:48
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dionakhey all17:55
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+perlDreamerI'm stuck in a meeting for 6 hours18:17
+perlDreamermuch perl will be written :)18:17
topsubdang.. thats a long meeting!18:20
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r6351 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: letting users know about new perl modules18:27
CIA-6WebGUI: jt * r6352 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: adding another undocumented prereq....doug i'm looking at you!!!!18:27
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+perlDreamerrizen: does the product variant select box need a "null" entry, like "Please select an option to add to your cart"?18:57
@rizeni think i'd rather it just display the first variant18:58
+perlDreamercool with me18:58
+perlDreamerI just want to make sure that the pinstriping is right the first time :)18:59
SDuensinThis is just too much.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZc5th6g19:02
SDuensin(Sorry for the link spam.)19:02
topsubrizen, i have to disagree, someone could click add to cart without selecting an variant and lead to issues19:11
topsubThink a null entry is a very good idea.19:11
@rizentopsub: how does it feel to be wrong. i've never been and you look like someone who would know.19:25
@rizenman am i funny =)19:26
+perlDreamerhow about this: push @variantOptions, 'Null entry' if $user=='topsub';19:32
+perlDreamereither that wasn't funny, or no one noticed that the string 'topsub' is false in a numeric comparison19:41
+perlDreamerdoes anyone remember which module provides the rmtree function?19:47
@apeironI noticed the ==, thought it was a mistake.19:48
@apeironperlDreamer, The export system and its tests exhibit some of the coolest best practice filesystem modules for Perl. :D19:49
@apeironPath::Class and File::Path. Yum.19:49
+perlDreamerI think I've figured out how to make multilingual content in WebGUI today.19:55
+perlDreamerIt's based on how multilingual is done in Drupal.19:55
dionakwe'll probably end up adding the 'Please select...' later 19:56
+perlDreamerRFEs and patches always welcome :)19:57
+perlDreamerespecially from known good devs/committers19:57
dionaknoted. thanks. rizen's in a playful mood again today. 19:59
+perlDreamerafaik, he's been up every night this week with bad servers19:59
dionakugh, 20:00
dionakso rizen gets more playful the less sleep he's had...20:01
dionakhe must not get much sleep at all20:01
bopbop's kind of like a gremlin20:16
bopbopfunny things happen when he's up after midnight, and if you feed him20:16
+perlDreamerand never, ever get him wet!20:16
bopbopthat's right20:16
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: remove commerce related operations20:19
+perlDreamerCIA-6 is on the ball today20:19
@apeironOr it just happened to poll at the right moment. :)20:20
+perlDreamerLet's test it.20:25
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lisettehow to do to send to each user the username and password to your mail? I need to do a macro?20:35
+perlDreamerno, just a little script20:35
+perlDreamerwell, get a list of all userIds from the users table20:36
+perlDreamercreate a user object for each one20:36
+perlDreameroh, wait a sec20:36
+perlDreamerWebGUI does not know the user's password20:36
+perlDreameronly the hashed password20:36
lisetteoh, yes20:37
+perlDreamerdo you have a list of passwords, from a user import?20:37
lisettei have the password20:37
+perlDreamerwell, then it is a little more difficult, but still doable20:37
+perlDreamerget the list of userIds20:37
+perlDreamerand usernames from the db table20:38
+perlDreamerget the password from the password list that you have20:38
+perlDreamerthen use WebGUI's email interface to send the emails20:38
+perlDreameryou may want to limit how many emails you send per second, so you don't bury spectre and your SMTP server20:38
lisetteyes, i know20:39
+perlDreamerthe email interface is in WebGUI::Inbox20:40
lisettedoesn't WebGUI::Mail::Send?20:40
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6354 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: collect all code that deletes files in one place. Do not call it yet20:41
+perlDreameroh, yes.  Sorry.  My bad.  It is WebGUI::Mail::Send20:42
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+perlDreamerheads up everybody: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/colons-invalidate-your-begin-and-end-blocks.html#comments21:27
+perlDreamerI found and fixed a bunch of these (that I wrote) in the test suite21:27
+perlDreamerthe rest of the core is fine21:27
@rizenyo mamma21:32
+perlDreamershe would have known better21:34
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6355 /WebGUI/t/ (11 files in 6 dirs): remove colons from END blocks, so they actually act like END blocks21:37
+perlDreamerrizen: working with packages for templates sucks21:41
+perlDreamerthey're not editable with vim anymore21:41
@rizenthat's what's cool about it21:43
@rizenoh, and yes they are editable with vim21:43
@rizenall you have to do is extract the package21:43
@rizen.wgpkg file is just a tgz file21:43
@rizenand inside it's nice friendly editable JSON21:44
+perlDreamerokay, but...21:44
@rizenthere's no buts21:44
* perlDreamer prefers his JSON hidden behind several layers of perl API21:44
@rizenand it is21:44
@rizenthat layer is called WebGUI21:44
@rizenedit the damn templates in webgui like everyone else. =)21:45
+perlDreamerI "eek" when yelled at21:45
@rizenwhy eek?21:45
@rizeni yelled?21:45
@rizenoh cuz i said damn?21:45
@rizendoes that mean i'm yelling?21:45
+perlDreamer"eek" is better than ~squit~21:46
@rizendamn is an adjective for me21:46
@rizeni just use it in normal speech21:46
@rizenif i was yelling I WOULD TALK LIKE THIS *or* *like* *this*21:46
@rizenbtw, i'm absolutely sure i've broken that BEGIN: vs BEGIN thing before21:47
@rizenmaybe not in webgui21:47
@rizenbut i'm sure i've done it21:47
+perlDreamerI know I have21:47
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+perlmonkey2/msg rizen if I have issues I'd like to discuss with the contract, whom would I talk to?21:51
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: always safer to do AIM :)21:52
@rizenpm2, me21:57
@rizenif you have a skype account you can call me21:57
@rizenotherwise, we can talk via phone you should have my number from the emails i've sent you in the past21:58
@rizenor we can do it via email21:58
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+perlmonkey2rizen: I emailed you22:02
+perlmonkey2Heh, a single P42.8Ghz w/ 1GB ram and an untuned source install of WebGUI is currently running 50 grad students taking long surveys as fast as they can read and click, and it is actually working just fine.  22:28
* perlmonkey2 is totally amazed.22:28
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* apeiron has been reading phdcomics.com for a while.22:46
@apeironperlmonkey2, Are you sure they're actually taking the survey and not sleeping at the computer? :D22:46
+perlmonkey2apeiron: hah, yes they have finsihed they're finals and the semester is over.  But they are being forced, on the last Friday of the year, after all their work is done, to stay in office and complete the same survey over and over.22:47
+perlmonkey2I'm guessing this is the worst thrashing the survey will ever take :P22:47
+perlmonkey2the log is scrolling far faster than i could hope to read22:47
@apeironperlmonkey2, You could use WWW::Mech to give it a worse thrashing...22:48
+perlmonkey2apeiron: would take some work as there is a lot of javascript invovled, so the mech would have to know a lot more logic than just 'fill out this form'22:49
@apeironperlmonkey2, Oh, well, hrmph.22:49
+perlmonkey2apeiron: hmm, actually I dno't think it would be that hard.  22:50
+perlmonkey2id generate will always be unique, or should that be tested for?23:07
+perlmonkey222^80 (or whatever it is) is probably random enough to be unique enough?23:08
+perlmonkey2or 80^22 I guess23:10
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+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: what do you think of git?23:53
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: git?  I've never used it, but read about it.  I guess it has superior branching/merging than svn, so might be superior in that regard.23:59
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+perlDreamerare you subscribed to the dev list?00:00
+perlmonkey2Nope.  Lots of sexy stuff going on there?00:01
+perlDreamerrecently, yes00:01
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+perlmonkey2just read up a bit more on git and remembered what I liked so much.  The local repositories that are automagically shared as branches to everyone else.  I *really* dig that idea.00:06
+perlDreameryeah, so if you'd like another dev to check out something you're doing, you don't need a private branch in the main repo00:06
+perlDreameror need to pollute the main repo00:07
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+perlmonkey2an emulation of svn and cvs are nice additions if you like your old tools/guis :)00:08
@tavistoalright, did everyone do their homework and get 1 major corporation or government agency to start using WebGUI yesterday?00:10
+perlDreamerhey, we don't listen to marketing dudes whose name rhymes with mephisto00:10
+perlmonkey2Plus, I think it woudl make it easier to branch your own private branches.  For instance, if I'm doing something and decide I want to try a radical change.  I'd like to have a new branch rather than looking back through the messages and seeing which comment was the radical change so I can revert.00:10
@tavistoactually... it's pronounced as if it was spelled tay-vee-sto00:10
@tavistoso now you shall listen!00:11
@tavistoI've got 100k in award money for those of you that completed your task (pending a large rockstar was signed)00:11
+perlmonkey2Hmm, I have a lot of contacts of web designers who use PHP stuff.  But they're targeting small companies who want the $5/month hosters.  Probably would be fine for PB's $20/month plan if they learned how powerful (and safe) it is over the PHPnuke-clones.00:12
@tavistothat's where the webgui lite comes into play00:13
@tavistoor a version of it anyway. I love the fact that we can throw a laundry list of features at small businesses... but back in the day when I was a reseller most never used half of what they thought was cool initially00:14
@tavistodumbing down WebGUI to Godaddy's Website Tonight would work well for that sector00:15
+perlDreamerI was looking at these guys: http://jobs.perl.org/job/8618 and thinking PhotoGallery clients00:15
@tavistowow that's going to be a project.00:16
+perlDreamerw e b g u i00:16
+perlDreamerit's much better than that old CGI stuff00:18
@tavistoyes from the sounds of it, that would be a good match00:18
@tavistocould combine new e-commerce w/ photo gallery00:18
+perlDreameroh yeah.  C2 would be great with that00:18
+perlDreamermaybe y'all should start combing the online perl job sites and sending in quotes for stuff like that00:19
@tavistothat's not a bad idea. But you also know that you're eligible to do that as well right?00:19
+perlDreamerI don't have enough time to do stuff like that00:19
+perlDreamerI'd have to go full time00:20
+perlDreamerand without the contracts up front, that's daunting00:20
+perlDreamerbesides, I give JT all my best ideas00:20
@tavistoIf you were to connect with a person like that and get them to "see things our way" you'd get a referral bonus00:20
@tavistonot much work or time involved in that00:20
@tavistome, jay, or Vrby are the ones that would have to do that work00:20
@tavistoie. I'm going thru a 25 page RFP right now trying to pick apart what WebGUI can and can't do for a potential customer... blah.. that's the kinda stuff we would do for you00:21
@tavistoJay is a sales guy00:21
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SquOnkHi everyone00:26
+perlDreamerHi SquOnk00:26
SquOnkrizen: The upload was succesful.00:26
SquOnkrizen: webgui is in the incoming queue. That means it will be available on Debian Sid on sunday00:26
SquOnkSid is already on Perl 5.10 therefore is important to test thoroughly since Perl 5.8 will NOT be available in Sid.00:27
+perlDreamerSquOnk, do you know how to run the test suite?00:28
+perlDreamernone of us have a 5.10 sitting around00:33
+perlDreamerif you do, then you could run the suite for us to check things out00:33
+perlmonkey2if fedora 9 ever comes out, I'll have 5.10 ready to test with.00:35
SquOnkperlbot: Yes00:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: Yes, I know how to run the test suite.00:39
SquOnkperlDreamer: That's what I'm going to run.00:40
SquOnkperlDreamer: But remember that Debian runs on i386, amd64, ia64, alpha, sparc, powerpc and many more :-)00:40
+perlDreameroh yes00:40
* perlDreamer is ready for a storm of bug fixing and new uses00:40
+perlDreamerfedora 9 is out in 4 days00:41
@rizenthanks for the update SquOnk00:41
SquOnkperlDreamer: I can test directly on i386, amd64, sparc, powerpc and alpha...00:41
SquOnk(and will test :-)00:41
+perlDreamercool. Thanks, SquOnk00:42
SquOnkThe next improvement will be automatica database creating and upgrading00:42
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itnomadI am using dynamic dns to point a registered domain name to my current ip address. When trying to connect remotely to my WebGUI website, I get the Bad Gateway error. I have been googling and searching the help on the Plain Black and DynDNS web sites. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding a solution? I am using CentOS 5.1 and have no problems connecting from any of the computers on my intranet to my WebGUI website.01:29
+perlDreamerdoes your ISP block port 80 traffic?01:30
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itnomadno. I've run Apache from home for a couple of years with no problems connecting by the current ip address, whatever that might be at the time. As I understand it, WebGUI needs a hostname to work. That's how I got involved with DynDNS.01:32
itnomadThe error message I get appears to come from the error directory of the wre installation. But I'm not sure of that.01:33
+perlmonkey2itnomad: Can you pastebin some of the errors?01:33
itnomadProxy server received invalid response from an upstream server. Is the only error I have seen. I can't seem to find the http error logs.01:35
+perlDreameritnomad, I think I've seen an article on the wiki about DynDNS and WRE setups01:37
+perlDreamerthe wiki at webgui.org01:37
itnomadthe one from fishingfan? I've been reading it, but can't seem to find helpful info there.01:38
itnomadcool, I've got the logs now.01:39
metanildoes pagination in folder asset works by default?01:39
itnomadIt looks like I may need to open up port 808101:40
itnomadI'm heading home to give that a try:)01:40
+perlDreamermetanil: The Folder does not paginate.01:40
@preaction_itnomad, only the mod_proxy WRE instance needs to be able to hit 8081, but the mod_proxy wre instance uses the site's ServerName to try to reach it01:41
metanilperlDreamer, suppose i have 100 files within that folder ? :D01:41
+perlDreamermetanil: Then it will be slow :(01:42
+perlDreameritnomad: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/setting-up-the-wre-when-your-isp-block-port-8001:42
+perlDreamerthat's the wiki article I remembered01:42
@preaction_100 isn't much, 1000 would be slow01:42
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+perlDreamerrizen: the product Sku is working now01:44
+perlDreamerit needs some polish, but it can show a basic form for buying a variant, and it correctly adds itself to the cart01:44
wgGuest61Hi I have a question about the Colaboration System template's01:45
wgGuest61In the default submission template, in the atacchment loop line01:46
wgGuest61How can i to diference the atacchmen file01:46
itnomadperlDreamer: that article looks like it could be helpful. Thanks, all.01:46
wgGuest61When an user atach a mp3 file show a special line01:47
wgGuest61and when an user atach a flv file show other difrent line01:47
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+perlDreamerwgGuest61: You would need to use a more advanced templating system than the default one that WebGUI uses01:54
+perlDreamerHTML::Template::Expr, or TemplateToolkit01:55
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6356 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): form elements for buying a variant of a product01:58
wgGuest61How can i use this template?02:05
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+perlmonkey2f00li5h: hello?  what's up?02:11
+perlDreamerwgGuest61: You start by installing it from CPAN.  Then you add it to the list of WebGUI template plugins in your site's webgui configuration file.  Then you edit the template and change ALL of the templating syntax to match your new templating system.02:11
+perlDreamerthis link has more details: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines02:12
+perlDreamerand I would recommend searching the wiki and forum for more information02:13
wgGuest61Tks perldreamer02:14
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f00li5hperlmonkey2: =^_^=02:35
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pilaf153I have installed webgui and started editing the menu.  I loggout out for a while and came back but now it is tell me it is locked under another version tag.  I only have on version tag listed the one I was using before.  Is there anyway to unlock flexmenu04:46
@preaction_pilaf153, join the version tag again04:47
@preaction_alternatively, delete the version tag04:48
pilaf153I made sure I am currently using the version tag04:48
@preaction_did you commit the version tag?04:48
pilaf153If I delete it you think it will work04:49
@preaction_most likely, but i don't know04:49
pilaf153I have no prpblem trying that if thats what will do it04:49
pilaf153oh ok04:49
pilaf153that did it thanks04:51
@preaction_you can disable that version tag stuff if you want04:52
pilaf153what happens if I do04:53
@preaction_on the Settings pane in the admin console, Content tab, Auto-Commit Changes and Skip Commit Comments, turn them both to on04:53
pilaf153just any changes that are made will be made 04:53
@preaction_your changes will get committed automatically04:53
pilaf153would it matter if I have multiple users making changes04:53
@preaction_there is still technically a version tag, you can still roll back, but it just gets committed right away04:53
pilaf153I see04:54
@preaction_no, it shouldn't be affected, except that things won't be locked for long04:54
@preaction_a few seconds to a minute, or more if you have an approval process04:54
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KennyBoyHi there :) I'm considering using webGUI and I'm trying to figure out: can/does WebGUI use persistent database connections (Apache::DBI)? Does anyone know?16:43
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pilaf153I was wondering if anyone could help with cool menus.  I have it set up so it is a verticle menu and when the user mouseovers the next level menus flow vertical as well but they cover the other sections of the menu.  Is there a way for cool menus to "push" down the other menu labels so it is more or less expanding the menu?20:26
pilaf153If that cant happen I also found this macro20:28
pilaf153but I have no clue how to use macros20:28
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CIA-6WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6361 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (gradient-glossy.png survey.css administersurvey.js): Added 500ms delay during 1 button page clicks.17:24
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webgeeki have 3 queries in 1 report. the first and second one depend on the value from the first. how can i display the data for the third outside of the nested query 218:02
webgeekas soon as i close the query 2 loop no data for the third displays18:03
dionakoff the top of my head, i recall having to embed the loops. so to get the data for query 3, i had to be in the query2 rows loop18:04
dionakand likewise for query118:04
webgeekthats what i am finding but query 3 has a param from query 1 not query 2 so i don't want it nested18:06
dionakyou lost me there but could you not customize the template to show only the data you want? This is our general practice18:08
webgeekquery 1 gets me departments. query 2 gets me courses for that department. query 3 gets me faculy for that department from a different data link18:09
webgeekwhen i edit the sql report template i try to close the query 2 loop and then display query 3 and i get no data18:10
dionakthe queries are actually 'chained' if you look at the sqlreport code. each one works off the results of the previous query. 18:11
dionakwhich is why query2 can't be closed and then query3 accessed. 18:12
dionakbe back...meeting18:13
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lisettei make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?18:40
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+perlDreamerrizen: You ready to talk inventory?19:27
lisettei make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?19:33
+perlDreamerwhile (my $hashRef = $statementHandle->hashRef) { # ???19:34
+perlDreamerwould need to see more code to really answer that question19:34
lisette my $result = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($sql, $dbh);19:34
lisette        $result->execute();19:34
lisette        my %rs = $result->hash;19:34
lisette        while(%rs){19:34
+perlDreameralmost, the last two statements can be combined19:35
+perlDreamerwhile (my %rs = $result->hash) {19:35
lisetteok, this works?19:35
+perlDreameryeah, it looks fine19:35
+perlDreamerwell, I need to check the ResultSet call19:36
+perlDreamerprepare may not want a db handle19:36
+perlDreamernope, that's fine19:36
+perlDreamerrizen: let me know when you're ready then19:37
@rizeni am i'm just screwing with you19:38
* perlDreamer checks the top of his head of slots19:38
+perlDreamerso, what is your flow for inventory management19:38
+perlDreamerOn addToCart, do I need to do anything?19:38
@rizenit works like this:19:39
@rizenyou modify addToCart so that it subtracts one from the inventory19:39
@rizenif there is one19:39
@rizenyou should check to make sure you have enough for the first add19:39
@rizenin addToCart19:39
+perlDreamerand if there isn't?  exception?19:39
@rizenthat's up to you19:40
@rizenthe only thing19:40
@rizenthat will ever call addToCart19:40
@rizenis your www_ method19:40
@rizenthen you also fill in the getQuantityAvailable method19:41
@rizenand that's what the cart will use to let the user modify the quantities in teh cart19:41
+perlDreamerand from there, all the on* subs that might touch quantities19:42
@rizenoh wait19:43
@rizeni take that back19:43
@rizenyou should check the quanity available in your addToCart method19:43
@rizenonly if you want to throw an exception or whatever19:43
@rizenthe onAdjustQuantityInCart method is where you should actually put the code that modifies inventory19:44
@rizenthat and onRemoveFromCart19:44
+perlDreamerand onRefund?19:44
@rizenyeah all the onMethods as you said19:44
+perlDreamerokay, that's pretty clear19:45
+perlDreamerI think I'll make it an exception (just to continue good practice).19:46
@rizendon't throw exceptions in the onMethods though19:47
+perlDreameronly addToCart19:47
@rizencuz the cart will just think something bad happened19:47
@rizenit won't try to correct the something bad19:48
+perlDreamerand you're checking getQuantityAvailable anyway19:48
@rizenif you have any special reason to do so you may also want to change the getMaxAllowedInCart method19:48
@rizenby default it just calls getQuantityAvailable though19:48
@rizenso you probably don't need to modify it19:48
+perlDreamerSounds like that would be a LimitedQuantityProduct :)19:49
@rizenwell for example, in the EMS, there may be 1000 tickets available, but you can only buy 119:50
@rizenso they are different there19:50
+perlDreamerI don't think I need to do that for the basic Product.19:51
+perlDreamerit can either be sub-classed or RFE'd in later19:51
+perlDreamerI am more more worried about onRefund, due to a design issue with the JSON collateral19:51
+perlDreamerI've been using the index in the JSON array as a unique identifier19:52
+perlDreamerand as long as only the Asset accesses its collateral, that works fine19:52
+perlDreamerbut for onRefund, that could happen a while later19:52
+perlDreamerand the collateral could be reordered between now and then19:52
+perlDreamerso index is not a good solution19:52
+perlDreamerI thought about using variant sku, but it's not guaranteed unique by the system19:53
+perlDreamerDo you think it would be better to add a GUID to the collateral, or to make sure that variant skus are unique to a product?19:53
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@rizenadd a guid19:54
+perlDreamerokay, I was kind of leaning that way, but then I realized that if variant skus are not unique that they won't be able to do an inventory sync.19:55
+perlDreamerbut a guid will be useful in other cases anyway19:55
+perlDreamerI'm feeling pretty confident that I can get the inventory control and product manager (import/export) done by the end of the month.19:58
+perlDreamerIf I get done early, I'll ask for other things to help out.19:59
@rizensweet dood cuz i'm getting crushed19:59
+perlDreameroh, blocking on C2 time due to $dayJob?20:00
+perlDreamerif you can, make a list with lots of little subtasks.  That way they can be farmed out.20:01
@rizenyeah, when i get time20:02
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CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): finalize template variable names for the variant buy form. Add help for template variables and i18n20:50
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metanilwhat is the best way to do a form post in webgui way? like i could create form using template and submit.. but how i'm supposed to handle the submission and returning back other page?22:39
@preaction_metanil, an asset22:39
metanilpreaction_: :D22:40
@rizenactually...a content handler22:40
metanilcontent handler is the part of asset isn't it?22:41
@preaction_no, you can write your own content handlers22:42
metanili search the wiki for it but couldn't get anything about it.. 22:44
@preaction_look at lib/WebGUI/Content/*.pm, the Operation.pm would probably be the easiest to understand. there's nothing complicated about them22:45
metanili guess i don't have lib/WebGUI/Content directory.22:47
@preaction_they're added in 7.522:48
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metanili got 7.4.17-stable22:48
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@tavistoHas anyone seen this windows install document from Signal Mountain?23:08
@tavistoI think the 5th box is incorrect as the c:\data\wre\sbin\services\windows directories aren't created yet?23:09
+perlDreamerI think the whole thing is wrong, since the WRE includes perl23:10
@tavistoTHAT's what I didn't understand either.23:10
@tavistobut I haven't done a windows install.. heh. But I was pretty certain that all of the perl modules were included already :)23:10
+perlDreamernot only the modules, but perl itself23:11
@tavistoI just got off the phone with a potential customer that was kinda confused at this document. It was added to the wiki instructions but probably isn't helping newbs much23:11
+perlDreamerthere's a handy little link for emailing him about errors mailto:feedback@signalmountain.co.uk23:12
@tavistoyeah I know, I just wanted to verify this thing was jacked up. Do you see anything else that sticks out as incorrect23:12
+perlDreamernot in that document, but we have 3 hits for WRE windows in the wiki, and I don't think they all jive23:14
metanilis there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?23:16
+perlDreamerAssets are essentially the same as Wobjects23:17
@tavistoyeah there used to be 5 different WRE and windows documents and on one of our staff bug fixer days I went in and got rid of some duplication23:22
@tavistohowever, there's more work to do. I often times think that some of the official instructional wiki posts should be locked to prevent erroneous information being added to the documents that people access most when they first start using WebGUI. Although then again that kinda defeats the purpose of the wiki :)23:25
+perlDreamertrue, that23:26
@preaction_tavisto, i still maintain that the ability to subscribe to wiki posts would solve that problem, since an editor could maintain it23:29
@apeironpreaction_, Well-volunteered23:29
@tavistothat's true pre23:29
@tavistoI still think that is a great idea/solution as well.23:29
+perlDreamerthat's how wikipedia works23:29
@tavistoit would end the murdering of valid wiki posts :)23:29
@preaction_pd: exactly23:30
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metanilis there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?23:32
+perlDreamermetanil: Assets are essentially Wobjects23:33
@preaction_metanil, you can use the wobject development tutorial to develop an asset23:33
@preaction_Wobject is a subclass of Asset23:33
metanilwhy is the first question in that tutorial looks like "Should I build an asset rather than a wobject?"23:33
+perlDreamerso you know which one to subclass23:33
@preaction_asset is lower-level, you most likely want wobject23:34
metanilhmm.. gr823:34
+perlDreamertell us what you're trying to do, metanil23:34
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@tavistoHey Charley23:38
Charleyhey.  anyone here very familiar with the event calendar?23:39
+perlDreamerhow familiar is "very" familiar?23:39
+perlDreameriow, what's up?23:39
@preaction_perlbot anyone23:40
perlbotSomewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help.23:40
Charleyha.  My site is centered.  But, when I click the "add event", my template moves over to the left. 23:40
+perlDreamerfor the add event form only?23:41
Charleythe entire site moves over to the left23:41
Charleyclick on "Add" under community calendar: http://web402.plainblack.net/23:41
@preaction_sounds like a bad template23:41
@preaction_bad template <-> style interaction23:42
@preaction_and i'll agree, the add event template is horrible23:42
+perlDreameryeah, that's it23:42
+perlDreamerif you click on the recurrence tab, it moves even farther to the left23:42
+perlDreamerbut outside the form it's fine23:42
+perlDreamerso, only your editors will see this23:43
@tavistoin Safari 3.0 this site is not centered23:44
@preaction_no, it's a bug. i could've swore i fixed this back in 7.4.2323:44
@tavistotop horizontal nav is centered though23:45
Charleyactually, I have it set where the general public can enter events, so the public will be able to see it jump to the left.  Which is not so bad, but my menu stays centered.  So it's a little messed up looking.23:46
+perlDreamerI'd file the bug, since the last 7.4 bug release is not too far off in the future23:47
+perlDreamerall new stuff will happen in 7.523:47
+perlDreamerHaarg: I merged the Form/Email dot fix into 7.5.  Will all others happen en masse for the 7.5.11 release?23:47
@Haargother things from 7.4 you mean?23:48
@Haargyeah, i'll be merging them23:48
+perlDreamerokay, sorry for being impatient23:48
@tavistoCharley, I saw you purchased a new server today. Are you already starting the new South Ark project/site?23:49
+perlDreamertavisto, he's done a bunch already23:49
+perlDreamerit looks quite nice23:49
* perlDreamer starts drooling about spudnuts23:49
@tavistohehe sweet, I lose track of such things b/c I talk to so many peeps.. But that's great23:50
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dionakhow do you get a list of everything from perlbot00:00
dionakseems handy and funny00:00
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@apeironhttp://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3/data/facts.db has everything it seems.00:01
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@preaction_perlbot is populated by ... well, denizens of #perl, so uber-geeks and social misfits. you were warned00:02
+perlDreamerapeiron, reading sqlite dbs is not fun :/00:03
@rizenhiring web designers is WAY harder than hiring programmers00:03
Charleytavisto, how do you know about spudnuts?00:06
@tavistoI see all of the sales @ Plain Black. 00:07
@tavistothis is Tavis00:07
@tavistoI dont know about spudnuts... but I'm assuming you're referring to whatever this new server is for00:07
CharleyHey!  I figured.  I guess that was Perldreamer drooling over the spudnuts.00:07
+perlDreamerof course, if there was some BBQ nearby that would do, too00:08
@tavistowhat is that?00:08
Charleysooo, how do you know about our claim to fame?00:08
@tavistoperlbot spudnuts00:08
Charleythey are heavenly00:08
+perlDreamerI read this awesome website about El Dorado, Arkansas00:08
Charleydonuts made from potato flour00:08
+perlDreamerof course, they have them in Tri-Cities Washington, too00:08
@tavistoSo Charley is this server for the South Ark proj then?00:09
Charleyreally?  I had no idea.00:09
+perlDreameroh, yeah00:09
+perlDreamerThe Spudnut Shop00:09
Charleythe one I purchased today is for the college I'm working at.00:09
+perlDreamerright on George Washington way00:09
Charleywe're getting ready to redo our site.  I convinced our CIO to go with WebGUI.00:09
@tavistocool, I have a hard time keeping up with all your projects.. When we talked originally I remember you developed for like the who town00:09
@tavistowhole town even00:09
+perlDreamerperlbot: spudnuts is donuts made from potato flour00:10
perlbotadded spudnuts to the database00:10
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CharleyYes.  The one we're launching tomorrow (and having issues with the event calendar) is for the city of El Dorado, AR.00:10
@tavistoyeah I looked at the URL you posted... BTW.. it wasn't centered for Safari 300:11
CharleyThey are doing a big launch at the Arkansas Welcome Center.  So, everything has got to be perfected by tomorrow. 00:11
Charleyany ideas on how to keep it from moving to the left when adding an event?00:11
Charleyi messed with the css, but could make no headway.00:11
@tavistowell, I'm talking about the site design in general.. not on the form00:11
@tavistothe navigation on the home page stays centered00:12
Charleyah.  well, crap.00:12
Charleyyeah. 00:12
@tavistohowever in firefox 2 the whole site design is centered00:12
@preaction_Charley, if i'm not mistaken, there's an extra </td></tr></table> in the template somewhere00:12
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Charleyok.  in the event calendar "add/edit event" template?00:12
Charleyi'll check it out.  thanks.00:13
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Charleypreaction, I believe you are correct!  It still moves a little to the left, but I think that may be due to the width of the HTMLArea.  Do you know how to edit the width of the HTMLArea box?00:20
@preaction_it's just a Rich Edit, i don't know if you can set which rich edit from the Calendar's properties, but that would be my first choice00:22
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@preaction_also don't know if you can edit the width of the rich editor from the Rich Edit properties00:22
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+perlDreamerCharley: Are you coming to the WUC?00:29
juani had configured a survey and i was checking the statistical overview and every i was checking the view grade book to verify the number of users that had answering it00:31
juantoday i was checking again and i find the view grade book without entries00:31
juani don't know what happened?00:32
+perlDreameris there data in the database?00:32
juani am checking00:33
Charleyalso, when I'm in the Edit section, the font on my coolmenu changes to 8px.00:34
CharleyWhen is the WUC?00:35
@tavistoAug 28th-29th00:35
+perlDreamerAugust 27th and 28th, in Madison, Wisconsin00:35
@tavistothe workshops are on the 26th and 27th00:35
+perlDreamermy bad00:36
@tavistodude wtf... there's a dumb typo on wuc site right now... says 2007!00:36
+perlmonkey2Charley: I wonder how much it would cost to hire someone to come up with a good xhtml menu system?00:36
+perlDreamera plainblack staffer should fix that, tavisto :)00:36
@tavistoon it00:37
@tavistothat's why im not talking atm00:37
juanperlDreamer, i am checking in the survey_response table and there is not data00:37
+perlDreamerwell, that explains why the gradebook is empty00:37
+perlDreamerbut not why the data is gone00:37
+perlDreamerjuan, the Survey does have a way to delete all data, built into the UI00:38
+perlDreamerit's possible that somebody hit it00:38
+perlDreameryou can check the Apache logs for a url that looks like func=deleteAllResponses.*00:39
+perlDreameralso, do you have backups of the database that you could use to restore the data?00:40
juan i am going to check00:42
CharleyEnd of August?  Yes, I think I can definately do that.00:46
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juanperlDreamer, if I don't want to restore all the tables in the database, can i restore only the tables related to the survey?01:04
+perlDreameredit the backup file to only contain those tables01:09
+perlDreamerI'm glad you have a backup01:10
+perlDreamerA lot of people don't set them up01:10
+perlDreamerperlmonkey2: Please consider this as an informal RFE.01:10
+perlDreamerIf you have a deleteAllResponses method, please log it explicitly in the WebGUI log file01:10
+perlDreamerwho did it and when01:10
@apeironAnd probably which survey it affects, neh?01:11
+perlDreameroh, good one, apeiron!01:11
+perlmonkey2perlDreamer: hah, good idea01:11
+perlmonkey2apeiron: also good idea.  So the admin knows who's butt to kick.01:12
+perlDreamer$self->locate('offender')->butt({action => 'kick', force => 'maximum'});01:13
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juani have something strange, i have restored the data and all was ok and after some minutes the data disappear again01:45
+perlDreamerjuan, it is possible that your database is corrupted.01:46
juanand is happening with this specific survey01:46
+perlDreamerthere are other surveys that are okay?01:46
CIA-6WebGUI: colin * r6363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: remove out of date collateral comments and fix a POD typo01:47
+perlDreamerdid you check the apache logs for that url that I mentioned earlier?01:48
+perlDreameris it possible that someone else from your team is messing around on the site?01:48
juanperlDreamer, i have another question, in this site i have always some workflows that always have status waiting and never disappear for suspended workflows02:02
+perlDreamerwhich workflows are they?02:02
juanCommit With Approval02:03
+perlDreamerthey are probably waiting for approval02:03
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juanbut i don't have pending commits in the site02:06
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Charleyhey.  I have a serious dns problem.  We had a webspace set up at web368.plainblack.net.  We upgraded and our new address is web402.plainblack.net.  When I transferred the dns for GoElDorado.com it is coming up with our old site on web368.plainblack.net.  What can I do?02:20
Charleyit needs to show the site at web402.plainblack.net