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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6545 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Search/Index.pm Shop/Transaction.pm Asset/Sku.pm): some minor enhancements | 00:19 |
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| Samus_Aran | thanks all, be back later | 01:07 |
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| perlDreamer | is pb.com down? | 18:42 |
| perlDreamer | I can't get to webgui.org, or talk to the svn server | 18:43 |
| nuba | oops | 18:49 |
| perlDreamer | when JT says feature freeze, he _means_ feature freeze! | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | No new code will be committed! | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | time to hack the laptop. A friend of my son jumped on it, and now the LCD bezel isn't rotating smoothly. | 18:52 |
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| +Radix_ | webgui.org dead? | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | seems so | 23:10 |
| +Radix_ | hey martin | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://plainblack.com/index.html | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey jesse | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | how are you | 23:11 |
| +Radix_ | I'm good.. about to head off to bed actually :) | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | huh | 23:12 |
| +Radix_ | 4am here | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | where are you then? | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | you've been partying? | 23:13 |
| +Radix_ | drank too much coke at the party tonight, so it kept me awake | 23:13 |
| +Radix_ | yeah | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | coke? | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see it's time you came to the Netherlands again | 23:13 |
| +Radix_ | I don't drink tea or coffee at all.. and dont drink soft drink really except at parties | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | lot's of coffee here | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | and beer at parties | 23:13 |
| +Radix_ | so when I drink coca cola the caffeine hits me and i'm generally awake until late ;) | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I almost never drink coke | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | sometime I'll buy a can or so | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then again, i don't have any problems sleeping | 23:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway, good night | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | and say hello to the dutch guy with the weird name foe me | 23:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | for* | 23:15 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 23:15 |
| +Radix_ | He's back in holland now actually | 23:15 |
| +Radix_ | left the company just before christmas | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | what was his name again? | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | i forgot | 23:17 |
| +Radix_ | Gooitzen | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 23:17 |
| +Radix_ | anyhow.. i really should head off to bed.. nite ;) | 23:19 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | is there a specific place I need to put the templates used in the new survey, or should they just go in the sql upgrade? And where do I put the logic for upgrading old surveys to the new version? | 01:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | put the templates in a packe | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | package* | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and put that in docs/upgrades/packages-76.5.11 | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | 7.5.11 | 01:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | the logic goes into the upgrade-7.5.10-7.5.11 file in docs/upgrades | 01:35 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the packages look like binaries? | 01:37 |
| @preaction | they are binaries | 01:37 |
| @preaction | they're tarred | 01:37 |
| @preaction | use the webgui interface to make the packages | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | oay | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 01:38 |
| @preaction | they're JSON hashes, which are tarred (and maybe gzipped) | 01:38 |
| @perlmonkey2 | the db schema I put into the beta will be unchangeable until the next beta, right? | 01:39 |
| @preaction | see lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage for more info. and for a future addition you might want to override the importAssetData and exportAssetData routines to add collateral data | 01:39 |
| @preaction | db schema is not an API, so you can change it, add to it, whatever | 01:39 |
| @perlmonkey2 | k | 01:39 |
| @preaction | (rather, it's not covered by the API freeze, but it is kinda an api) | 01:39 |
| @apeiron | preaction, I would argue that the API hides the DB. | 01:39 |
| @apeiron | Ideally, there shouldn't be any SQL in anything but a few modules. | 01:40 |
| @preaction | eh. my opinion is there are four APIs, the module API, the DB, the URL, and the templates | 01:40 |
| @apeiron | bleh. That promotes SQL to the status of 'programming language'. | 01:40 |
| @preaction | the idea is that anything you can't specifically prevent, you have to plan for | 01:41 |
| * apeiron kicks it to the curb | 01:41 | |
| @preaction | no. it just means that changing the data in the database is possible outside of the module API | 01:41 |
| @preaction | it's just not a good idea | 01:41 |
| @perlmonkey2 | so as long as the publicly (www_) avaialable methods don't change input and returns, anything goes? | 01:43 |
| @preaction | no. all the module API has to remain backwards-compatible | 01:43 |
| @preaction | so getSurveyQuestion or whatever you have going for those | 01:43 |
| @preaction | www_ methods don't usually get called with arguments, but if they have them, they're covered too | 01:44 |
| @perlmonkey2 | GET and POST don't count as part of the API/ | 01:45 |
| @perlmonkey2 | ? | 01:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, technically assets are not covered by the API freeze | 01:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | since their only plugins | 01:45 |
| @preaction | ah, that too | 01:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | only Asset.pm and Wobject.pm are | 01:45 |
| @preaction | you don't really have to worry, assets aren't under freeze | 01:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | since they provide the framework for most assets | 01:46 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | oh man, so as sucky as it is that I don't have the survey absolutely perfect, it isn't the end of the world and I'll still have a bit of time to wrap it up. | 02:04 |
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| metanil | is there any AJAX library available in webgui? | 02:19 |
| @preaction | YUI connection | 02:20 |
| @preaction | www/extras/yui/build/connection/ | 02:20 |
| metanil | is webgui.org is working for you guys.. both plainblack and webgui.org is not working .. (at least from my machine) | 02:22 |
| @preaction | did you read the message? | 02:23 |
| metanil | i have to wait then. :( | 02:24 |
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| @preaction | if you don't see a message than your DNS is old. we're having data center problems | 02:24 |
| metanil | oh! | 02:25 |
| @preaction | well, plainblack.com shows the message. webgui.org is pointing to a dead IP, and I don't want to go through and change everything on our nameserver to point to the message | 02:26 |
| +MrAfkGrease | good luck with the colo trouble | 02:34 |
| +MrAfkGrease | I'm heading off | 02:34 |
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| metanil | preaction: is that the yahoo user interface? | 03:57 |
| @preaction | metanil, yes. | 04:13 |
| metanil | i can see its providing its own object like menu, btton, autocomplete | 04:15 |
| metanil | (i know this question doesn't belongs to here).. is there anyway to do simple AJAX request/receive using YUI (if there's any) | 04:16 |
| @preaction | yes, YUI Connection, exactly where i told you it was. look at the YUI documentation, look for the Connection module | 04:18 |
| @perlmonkey2 | metanil: YUI offers several ways to do ajax, all of them simple and wrapped in a nice event handler. | 04:26 |
| metanil | thanks preaction... awesome.. this is what i need http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/connection/get.html | 04:27 |
| metanil | at least to start with | 04:27 |
| metanil | thanks again | 04:27 |
| metanil | :) | 04:27 |
| metanil | perlmonkey2: Indeed indeed.. i am looking at it.. too easy... woot!!! | 04:29 |
| @perlmonkey2 | if there is a web interface to create packages, I haven't been able to find it. | 04:31 |
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| @perlmonkey2 | Hmm, why wouldn't I put the templates in the upgrades/templates folder? Is it the normal way to add a new package? | 04:38 |
| metanil | i created an asset, now i want that asset to include some javascript, ( i can do it manually going through template page).. but i want to do it in general way | 04:55 |
| metanil | oops.. let me backup that question. | 04:58 |
| metanil | ( i shouldn't be asking that question) :D | 04:59 |
| Radix__ | Anyone know if the plainblack.com/webgui.org datacenter fire is related to ThePlanet datacenter explosion? | 05:11 |
| Radix__ | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/01/1715247&from=rss | 05:12 |
| SDuensin | Data center fire?! | 05:19 |
| SDuensin | Egads. | 05:20 |
| patspam | ouch | 05:20 |
| metanil | oops | 05:49 |
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| perlDreamer | any further updates about the data center yet? | 06:19 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=0 | 06:25 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Note, it's been Slashdotted, so may be slow. | 06:25 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, it's slow | 06:25 |
| perlDreamer | If there's anything I can do to help you guys, please let me know | 06:26 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Not that I can think of, unfortunately. Nothing PB can do either. | 06:27 |
| perlDreamer | I'll pray. | 06:36 |
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| perlDreamer | and I'll write tests | 06:46 |
| perlDreamer | I do that when I'm nervous | 06:46 |
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| -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=20 Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. | 07:05 | |
| perlDreamer | okay, I need some WebGUI help with the new version control settings | 07:09 |
| perlDreamer | anyone still awake? | 07:09 |
| @apeiron | I am, but not sure how helpful I'll be in that regard as I'm not intimately familiar with that particular bit of wG. | 07:13 |
| perlDreamer | well, this would be easier if I could show you the code and test | 07:13 |
| perlDreamer | but basically, it's the product import subroutine (Shop::Products::importProducts) | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer | if it's tries to import a product that is locked, it skips it | 07:14 |
| @apeiron | I have a somewhat recent SVN checkout, will take a look. | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer | so in my test, I put a product with two variants. | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer | I _thought_ with autocommit turned on, that addChild would autocommit the asset, leaving it available for the next variant to be added. | 07:15 |
| perlDreamer | but the product appears to be locked | 07:15 |
| perlDreamer | and I don't know why | 07:15 |
| perlDreamer | and during my test script, it complains that it can't talk to spectre | 07:15 |
| @apeiron | Maybe you need to $asset->commit it? | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | I'll try it | 07:29 |
| perlDreamer | that did it! | 07:30 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: you rock! | 07:31 |
| perlDreamer | well, the good news is that importProducts is now tested and works | 07:37 |
| perlDreamer | the bad news is that y'all just have to take my word for it for a little while | 07:37 |
| perlDreamer | and this is undoubtedly the best reason I've heard for distributed version control | 07:37 |
| patspam | yeah seems like every man and his dog is using git now | 07:40 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, I don't rock, my ability to guess luckily rocks. | 07:40 |
| @apeiron | patspam, heh | 07:40 |
| @apeiron | patspam, There's that and the fact that developing an SCM has been a fad for the last few years. | 07:40 |
| patspam | heh yeah true | 07:40 |
| @apeiron | svn, svk, arch, darc, mercurial, clearcase, monotone, git | 07:41 |
| @apeiron | etc. | 07:41 |
| @apeiron | I probably missed a few. | 07:41 |
| patspam | someone did a git demo at my perlmongers meeting, looked pretty cool, but a bit of a mind-shift | 07:41 |
| @apeiron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software | 07:41 |
| perlDreamer | new update from The Planet | 07:41 |
| @apeiron | Heh. I refreshed it then tabbed here. | 07:42 |
| perlDreamer | The second floor may be online tomorrow, but the first floor is really screwed | 07:42 |
| @apeiron | No, I do not know where wG's machines are. | 07:42 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: regarding guessing. There's no way to tell between lucky guesses and strong intuition. | 07:44 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, True. I saw that an asset (a SKU or such, it was shop related) in Asset.t was using ->commit,. | 07:44 |
| @apeiron | So I figured I'd hazard a guess. | 07:45 |
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| @preaction | WAHOO DUSK IS BACK | 12:09 |
| BartJol | mmm strange that the servers go down when JT's on holiday, coincidence? | 12:19 |
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| @preaction | BartJol, i don't believe in coincidences. it's his pure STRENGTH OF WILL that keeps the servers in line. | 12:22 |
| @preaction | they just don't Fear me enough... | 12:22 |
| @preaction | but it's now 4:30am and I haven't slept well in days... so maybe I can get in a few hours before I have to figure out what we can do with Dusk but without www.plainblack.com and our shared hosting server... :p | 12:23 |
| BartJol | good luck | 12:23 |
| BartJol | and sleep wel preaction | 12:23 |
| @preaction | had a good idea: move files to another server in case dusk goes back down! | 12:23 |
| BartJol | backups are alwaus good | 12:24 |
| @preaction | dusk is the backup server. the problem was it went down ;P | 12:26 |
| BartJol | ah, didn't know that | 12:27 |
| @preaction | anyway. maybe sleep. hope the other side of the pond is less interesting ;-) | 12:28 |
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| ckotil | did JT pass by the datacenter on his way out? | 16:13 |
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| BartJol | ckotil, it's the other way around preaction told me, the servers neeed JT's karma aura | 16:21 |
| ckotil | yeah | 16:22 |
| * ckotil jokes | 16:22 | |
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| Radix__ | no, they need JT's "fear of god" presence to keep in line. | 16:35 |
| BartJol | well karma or fear aura, JT should have left some more with Graham | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | Morning! | 16:54 |
| BartJol | webgui.org is up! | 17:10 |
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| perlDreamer | should I be worried that the Poll on webgui.org is showing data that is one week old? | 17:55 |
| @tavisto | gah | 17:57 |
| perlDreamer | note, there's a smaller version of the planet forum page: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html | 17:59 |
| BartJol | mm lot of things going up in smoke lately | 18:06 |
| BartJol | the faculty of architectre in Delft too | 18:06 |
| BartJol | perlDreamer, how's you back? | 18:07 |
| -!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. | 18:10 | |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer++ Thanks. :) | 18:10 |
| perlDreamer | BartJol: better but healing. | 18:11 |
| BartJol | well, take it easy then | 18:11 |
| perlDreamer | But I can pick up my kids, sleep at night and do the necessary home maintenance | 18:11 |
| perlDreamer | so I'm not complaining :) | 18:11 |
| BartJol | and write tests | 18:12 |
| BartJol | ? | 18:12 |
| perlDreamer | oh yes, test writing and Shop hacking | 18:14 |
| BartJol | ok, then you should be ok :) | 18:15 |
| nuba | whoa, hot stuff @ theplanet, huh? | 18:23 |
| @apeiron | Yes indeed. | 18:24 |
| perlDreamer | nothing like an electrical explosion to warm things up | 18:24 |
| nuba | yeah. i was reading the other day about how data centers, and the internet, in general, contributes to global warming | 18:27 |
| nuba | i guess it can be said this one contributes a little more than the rest | 18:28 |
| nuba | http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/05/excellent-report-on-internet-data.html | 18:29 |
| perlDreamer | brb | 18:30 |
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| topsub | hello, i have a question about the security, how can you have someone able to edit and add new assets under lets say a folder? | 19:25 |
| topsub | we have a folder called "pdfs" and we created a group for these users who we want to do this but we dont' want them to be able to mess with the asset tree and such | 19:25 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: you have to find a way to make sure that 1) they can add files to the folder, but 2) aren't allowed to turn on admin | 19:27 |
| perlDreamer | I think you can modify the default Folder template to accomodate that | 19:27 |
| topsub | hmm | 19:28 |
| topsub | on the folder i said "who can edit" publication editor" ( name of the group i created for these users ) | 19:28 |
| topsub | so they can edit any pdfs fine. but not able to add file assets to this folder. does that mean i need to beef up there group or something? | 19:29 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: I'm guessing that the template, and not the perl code, is stopping your users from adding folders. | 19:33 |
| topsub | ah | 19:33 |
| topsub | hmm maybe not because when i go to add a file asset it saying permission denied | 19:34 |
| topsub | i have an interface that creates my URL for me | 19:35 |
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| topsub | I believe i just need to figure out what says who can add assets and what says they can edit | 19:37 |
| topsub | they have a drop down list for edit files but not for adding files under the asset | 19:37 |
| topsub | hmm if i add the user to "Secondary Admins" they are not able to add assets. | 19:39 |
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| perlDreamer | topsub: try adding your "publication editor" group to the Asset Add Privileges section in the WebGUI config file. Then restart apache and see how you fare. | 20:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey, pb.com is back | 22:54 |
| @preaction | a neutered version, but the real frozen is back so we'll be switching back over shortly | 22:58 |
| @preaction | so then we'll have SVN and all our other services back | 22:58 |
| @tavisto | doug, I told you putting that slip n' slide in the server room was a bad idea... | 23:13 |
| @preaction | tavisto, not my fault you got too drunk to slip n' slide and you started run n' ram instead | 23:15 |
| @tavisto | those transformers were talking smack | 23:16 |
| @preaction | i still have no idea how that thing exploded after you spilled your martini on it. i mean wow | 23:16 |
| @tavisto | now give me my bottle back | 23:16 |
| @preaction | you can get your bottle back after you pry the pieces out of the building next door | 23:16 |
| @tavisto | too much work.. time for www.beerdelivered.com | 23:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | did I hear beer? | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | good idea! | 23:17 |
| @tavisto | damn, was hoping that service and website existed... | 23:17 |
| @preaction | don't click, it's not real | 23:17 |
| @tavisto | unfortunately it doesn't... (atleast at that URL) | 23:17 |
| @preaction | you got my hopes up... prepare to die! | 23:17 |
| @apeiron | bah, squatter | 23:17 |
| @tavisto | nooooooo! | 23:17 |
| @apeiron | preaction, 3, 2, 1, sudo ping -f! | 23:17 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, You have no chance to survive, make your Freenode cloak. | 23:18 |
| @tavisto | wait a minute.. there's hope! | 23:18 |
| @preaction | H4X0R H15 G1B53N! | 23:18 |
| @tavisto | www.beerrightnow.com | 23:18 |
| @tavisto | although, if MrHairGrease goes there then you can kiss productivity goodbye | 23:18 |
| @tavisto | for a week. | 23:18 |
| * MrHairgrease already has beer right now | 23:19 | |
| +MrHairgrease | how does that hamper your productivity | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | for a week | 23:19 |
| @tavisto | it doesn't when you only have 1, or 5 | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | i still don't get the connection | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | now if you were to go with me | 23:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a different story... | 23:20 |
| @tavisto | I'm saying that you consume a lot of beer already, and if it was delivered to your door... you wouldn't be sober enough to code :) | 23:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't drink that much at home | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i just imply that to keep up the eurotrash appeal | 23:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | No, he only drinks at the office | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | hehe well that's good because drinking at home alone is a great indication that one is an alcoholic | 23:24 |
| perlDreamer | that way it doesn't interfere with his coding | 23:24 |
| @tavisto | I should say binge drinking alone at home | 23:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you're saying you can only be an alcoholic when you have a binge at home? =) | 23:26 |
| @tavisto | uh no.. | 23:26 |
| * MrHairgrease tries very hard to not understand tavis, just to mess with him | 23:27 | |
| @tavisto | dont make me come over there.. | 23:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | wat du fak!?!? | 23:28 |
| @tavisto | :) | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i hope the railroad union will also be in madison in the end of august | 23:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll forever associate the wuc with guys wearing denim form head to toe... | 23:29 |
| @tavisto | oh dear god | 23:31 |
| @tavisto | I have to say that guy was entertaining.. I honestly think you guys just come to the WUC for the stories. | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | are there other reasons to go? | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I better know so I can warn the other 12 Dutch people coming along | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | It's always cool to see Frank drunk, or hung-over. | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | or hear jt ask him through the phone " Frank, why are you still alive?" | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:34 |
| @tavisto | hehe Frank the Tank is my hero. | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | mine too | 23:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yay, there a thunderstorm right in front of my window | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | pretty cool sight | 23:37 |
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| perlDreamer | tavis, you business-type yayhoo | 23:51 |
| perlDreamer | it's taken me two days to register for OSCON as an attender | 23:51 |
| perlDreamer | actually, it's not your fault | 23:51 |
| perlDreamer | It's O'Reilly | 23:51 |
| perlDreamer | They're not using the EMS, so they're system will only let you have one kind of ticket | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | Once I was entered in as an exhibitor, then I couldn't also register for the conference | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | unless y'all paid for it | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | talking about business yayhoos | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | tavis, when is the oqapi success thingy ghoing to be placed? | 23:54 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI, this is Houston. You are cleared for SVN. | 00:01 |
| @preaction | Roger, Houston. Confirmed Go for SVN. | 00:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | houston, has a problem | 00:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | webgui.org goes to plainblack.com | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | www.webgui.org works ok btw | 00:04 |
| @preaction | dns propagation probably. we had to hijack the real records to put up the outage message, and then put up the clone of frozen | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | nice tests, apeiron | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | Where do they get cleaned up at the end of the test? | 00:33 |
| @apeiron | Where, in Asset.t? | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 00:34 |
| @apeiron | They're under a version tag, $versionTag4 . | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | I see | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | I'm used to seeing the versionTag getting commited | 00:34 |
| @apeiron | hrm. That was an omission on my part--is there any reason to commit it specifically? | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think so, although sometimes addChild will puke on a parent in the wrong state | 00:36 |
| @apeiron | The tests run, pass, and leave a pristine asset tree afterwards, if those are your concerns. | 00:36 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 00:36 |
| perlDreamer | but that was before the commit change | 00:36 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI, this is Houston. We confirm reception of SVN data. | 00:47 |
| perlDreamer | It's good that you're back online. | 00:47 |
| perlDreamer | is pb.com email working? | 00:51 |
| @tavisto | yeah | 01:01 |
| @tavisto | we have a separate mail solution not hosted at the planet | 01:01 |
| @tavisto | MrHairGrease, do you know if existing products will be migrated into the new e-commerce engine in 7.5.11? | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: They will. | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | it works now | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | I used one of Tiffany's stores to test it out :) | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | seriously? | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | I emailed her, and she said sure | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | so I got a dump of her db | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | and practiced upgrading | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | oh okay | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | how did it go?! | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | Clean. | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | very nice | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | wow | 01:03 |
| @tavisto | that makes me feel good considering I'm probably going to have to do that for amla | 01:04 |
| @tavisto | how about the templates used in the checkout.. are there a ton of new ones now? | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | you'll need to ask rizen about that | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | No, Tavis, it worked for pd because he applied special pd magic. | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | You'll have to slog through it. | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | but, if he was as thorough as he had me do, then it should end up being just fine | 01:05 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, btw I did receive your email, looking at it now | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | What the hell... Chris are you still here? I thought Kaleb fired you already | 01:05 |
| perlDreamer | okay, I am a notorious kibitzer so tell me to jump in a hole if I'm out of line. | 01:05 |
| @tavisto | you were a bad gopher! | 01:06 |
| perlDreamer | Fine, I'll go talk with Isaac and Julie then. Maybe Captain Stubing will let me steer the ship for a while. | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | pfft | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer++ | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, karma tavisto | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | er | 01:07 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, karma tavisto | 01:07 |
| perlbot | tavisto doesn't have any karma | 01:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlbot karma perldreamer | 01:10 |
| perlbot | Karma for perldreamer: 26 | 01:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlbot karma mrhairgrease | 01:11 |
| perlbot | Karma for mrhairgrease: 3 | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlbot karma rizen | 01:11 |
| perlbot | Karma for rizen: 3 | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | haha | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems i'm not doing too bad after all | 01:11 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, karma preaction | 01:11 |
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| perlbot | Karma for preaction: 19 | 01:11 |
| @apeiron | .. heh | 01:11 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, karma apeiron | 01:11 |
| perlbot | Karma for apeiron: 68 | 01:11 |
| @apeiron | <3 | 01:11 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: tavisto has no karma | 01:14 |
| perlDreamer | He is a karma sinkhole | 01:15 |
| @apeiron | tavisto-- # now he's not | 01:15 |
| @tavisto | rizen only has 3 karma so I dont feel bad | 01:16 |
| @apeiron | You have -1. | 01:16 |
| @tavisto | how the crap do you earn karma in here | 01:16 |
| @tavisto | and if Chris has it then I dont want it | 01:16 |
| perlDreamer | karma is awarded by others for doing cool things | 01:16 |
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| perlDreamer | obviously, apeiron is cooler than thee | 01:16 |
| @tavisto | must be earned by driving around in a kidnapper van offering candy to neighborhood kids | 01:17 |
| @tavisto | shame on you apeiron | 01:17 |
| @apeiron | What? pfft. I'm lazy. I'd sooner just offer it Halloween style. | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: that is some nasty i18n namespace | 01:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6546 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): | 01:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added: Two new approval activities, byLineage and byCommitterGroup | 01:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: added: Show a message to users when they log in | 01:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Gallery search form doesn't work right in IE6 | 01:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Minor bug in new gallery approval handling | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | https://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-badge?project_name=WebGUI&project_url=http://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute | 01:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Go nominate WebGUI | 01:36 |
| @apeiron | yay, login to nominate | 01:36 |
| @apeiron | Like I remember the sf.net userid I never use. =\ | 01:36 |
| @apeiron | ick. | 01:38 |
| @apeiron | sf.net-- # requiring me to create an ID even after I logged in via OpenID... isn't that the *entire* *point* of OpenID? | 01:38 |
| perlDreamer | the things we do to promote WebGUI | 01:39 |
| perlDreamer | actually, wouldn't wG do the same thing? | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | it might authenticate you remotely, but you still need a valid userId/account | 01:42 |
| @apeiron | Oh. Right. | 01:44 |
| @apeiron | I'm misremembering what OpenID is for. | 01:44 |
| @apeiron | "we're not an authentication layer!" and all that. Despite being *exactly* like one *in* *every* *respect*. | 01:44 |
| perlDreamer | well, it _would_ be nice if it made the account for you and prepopulated it with your openId creds/info | 01:44 |
| perlDreamer | cap10morgan: are you listening? :) | 01:44 |
| @apeiron | heh. But sf isn't that smart. | 01:44 |
| @apeiron | (which is why I never use SF, that and the fact that its SCMs are down more than they're up) | 01:45 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: heh | 01:45 |
| cap10morgan | i am now! | 01:45 |
| cap10morgan | apeiron: openid is an identification service, not authentication | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | so for the wG openId plug-in, does it make you create an account after first login? | 01:45 |
| @apeiron | cap10morgan, Yeah, except for the fact that it looks and acts just like authentication in every way. :) | 01:45 |
| cap10morgan | auth is still handled by the thing you're trying to get yourself auth'd into | 01:46 |
| perlDreamer | cap10morgan: (asking ignorantly); What's the difference? | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | apeiron, it's nearly always used in an authentication situation | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | that's why | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: here's how it works... | 01:46 |
| @apeiron | "name and password" to me indicates "authentication". | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | you go to a site, it asks you to login | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | now, there's two things it's trying to check: | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | 1. you are who you say you are (identification) | 01:46 |
| cap10morgan | 2. you're allowed to login and do stuff (authentication) | 01:47 |
| @apeiron | Heh. I've always heard 1 referred to as authentication. | 01:47 |
| @apeiron | And whether you're allowed to do things is authorization. | 01:47 |
| @apeiron | yay overloading terminology in related fields! | 01:47 |
| cap10morgan | apeiron: err, that's probably right | 01:47 |
| cap10morgan | :) | 01:47 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, that makes more sense given the words anyway | 01:48 |
| cap10morgan | far as i understood, openid was only authentication, not authorization (using the better terms) | 01:48 |
| cap10morgan | but are they claiming they are *not* authentication somewhere? | 01:48 |
| perlDreamer | cap10morgan: Does WebGUI have an "authorization" for login rights? | 01:49 |
| cap10morgan | the fact that you have an account, i would guess | 01:50 |
| cap10morgan | normally w/ openid, you still have to register your openid at a particular place before it grants you authorization | 01:50 |
| cap10morgan | (or be granted by the admin, or whatever the policy is for that site / service) | 01:51 |
| @apeiron | bleh. I know I've seen somewhere that a page said "we're *not* an authentication layer". | 01:51 |
| @apeiron | Trying to find such. | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | they're not _authentication_ | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | d'oh! | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | sorry, mixing my terms again | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | hahahaha | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | apeiron: let me know if you find it | 01:51 |
| perlDreamer | no, it makes sense now. I might have a VISA card saying I'm Donald Trump, but that doesn't work in an AMEX only store. | 01:51 |
| cap10morgan | yep | 01:52 |
| @apeiron | Despite the fact that it acts exactly like authentication, it's not. And that's confusing. | 01:52 |
| @apeiron | (when I say "it acts exactly like authentication", I mean strictly from the user perspective: enter your username and password) | 01:53 |
| cap10morgan | well, i think it _is_ authentication | 01:53 |
| cap10morgan | i'd be very surprised if they were claiming they weren't | 01:54 |
| @apeiron | heh | 01:59 |
| @apeiron | http://simonwillison.net/2007/Jan/10/account/ | 01:59 |
| @apeiron | "Just treat it as an alternative to a traditional username and password and you can't go wrong." | 02:00 |
| @apeiron | .... well... obviously I *have*... | 02:00 |
| @apeiron | http://www.openid.org/ "Log into sites such as LiveJournal, [...]" | 02:02 |
| @apeiron | That's not helping the matter. | 02:02 |
| @apeiron | Hmm. Apparently OpenID 2.0 will let you log in. | 02:07 |
| @apeiron | ... which, er, isn't that not the point of the original OpenID? | 02:08 |
| * apeiron is very confused. oO | 02:08 | |
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| @preaction | openID 1.0 was just identification, not authentication. the system is only as strong as its weakest point | 02:41 |
| @preaction | and OpenID 1.0 was the weak point: Someone who professes to own THISURL made this post | 02:41 |
| @apeiron | heh | 02:41 |
| @apeiron | So in other words the OpenID developers basically created a system that was fail by design. | 02:42 |
| @preaction | not really, it wasn't design for authentication. it was just for the blogosphere | 02:42 |
| @preaction | but then YADIS came and OpenID became part of that and people wanted more, authentication, profiles, personal data exchange | 02:43 |
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| metanil | i need an idea.. i want to add additional information while creating files.. like author, description, DocumentID, RefID.. and other info as well. | 04:08 |
| @apeiron | File assets, yes? | 04:08 |
| metanil | would creating new asset similar to Asset::File is ok? | 04:08 |
| @apeiron | That's what I would suggest, yes, though perhaps the more experienced here may have a better idea. | 04:09 |
| metanil | hmm... (i am thinking of creating one then).. | 04:10 |
| @preaction | if you are, see about using 7.5. the Asset::File is easier to subclass in that one | 04:15 |
| patspam | is it just me or is webgui.org 50% faster post outage? | 04:45 |
| @preaction | just you. it's still the same box. maybe not too many people are using it | 05:06 |
| patspam | maybe it needed a day of rest? | 05:11 |
| @preaction | at my expense? that was selfish of it... | 05:17 |
| @preaction | i oughta teach it a lesson by making it blow up again | 05:17 |
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| perlDreamer | svn is down again? | 06:54 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, possibly. graham is switching the temporary frozen back to the old frozen | 06:58 |
| perlDreamer | tough day | 07:03 |
| perlDreamer | my IRC password gets changed/rejected | 07:03 |
| perlDreamer | no SVN | 07:03 |
| perlDreamer | what happens next? | 07:03 |
| @preaction | svn server just isn't running, but i don't want to mess with it | 07:04 |
| @preaction | our datacenter explodes? | 07:04 |
| @preaction | that would suck | 07:04 |
| perlDreamer | ah | 07:04 |
| perlDreamer | already happened :) | 07:04 |
| @preaction | hmm... what else is there? | 07:04 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto shaves his head? | 07:04 |
| @preaction | good lord... the world would impode on itself | 07:05 |
| perlDreamer | frank and jt and chris and kaleb and steve and graham all quit? | 07:05 |
| @preaction | as long as i have vrby, i think we can manage | 07:06 |
| @preaction | they're albatrosses, weighing me down man | 07:06 |
| perlDreamer | it's hard to fly like an eagle, when you're stuck with albatrosses | 07:07 |
| @tavisto | what the | 07:09 |
| @tavisto | don't make me come down there | 07:09 |
| @preaction | who the? | 07:09 |
| perlDreamer | where the? | 07:12 |
| @preaction | HOW | 07:12 |
| perlDreamer | Something has really been bothering me for a while | 07:14 |
| perlDreamer | How does Hawkman fly in outer space, where there's no air? | 07:14 |
| @preaction | telekinesis | 07:16 |
| @preaction | solar wind | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | bean burritos | 07:16 |
| @preaction | so lunar wind? | 07:16 |
| @preaction | i mean, it comes from where the sun don't shine | 07:16 |
| +Radix-wrk | you have wierd thoughts pd | 07:18 |
| @tavisto | wow I can't believe this hockey game... triple overtime now | 07:19 |
| @tavisto | preaction, I just got off a conference call with amla and we're going to push through the upgrade | 07:19 |
| @preaction | uh... huh? they're on 7.4.21? | 07:20 |
| +Radix-wrk | doesn't hockey have the concept of a tied game? or is this a grand final or something? | 07:20 |
| @tavisto | not in the playoffs | 07:20 |
| @tavisto | if Detroit wins... they win the stanley cup | 07:20 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, if you're talking to 7.5, I think that would not be wise. | 07:20 |
| @preaction | i would agree with the wise Dreamer | 07:21 |
| perlDreamer | we'll be testing for at least another month, maybe longer due to this outage | 07:21 |
| @tavisto | wait a sec... are you saying | 07:22 |
| perlDreamer | 7.5.11 is not ready for prime time yet | 07:22 |
| @preaction | if they have travelled past 7.4.21, they cannot go to 7.5.anything yet | 07:22 |
| @tavisto | oh dear God when does this end | 07:22 |
| perlDreamer | In July | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | they're already on the beta server | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | for PB | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | that's fine, they're on 7.5.10 | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | yeah | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | It's just the commerce stuff, Shop | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | it's been working okay | 07:23 |
| @preaction | what's "push through the upgrade" then? | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | 7.5.10 will work fine | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | yeah! | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | to 7.5.11 | 07:23 |
| @preaction | when it's released, you mean? | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | yeah, june 12th | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | it's been applied right? | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | or has that been pushed back | 07:24 |
| @preaction | applied? | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | installed on beta | 07:24 |
| @preaction | no | 07:24 |
| @preaction | we don't install anything that isn't released | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | is 7.5.11 going on plain black's beta server on june 12th still? | 07:24 |
| perlDreamer | rizen doesn't even get back until the 12th, right? | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | Graham told me june 12th | 07:25 |
| @preaction | 9th | 07:25 |
| perlDreamer | it will take longer than three days to 1) Finish up tests, 2) Fix currently broken tests 3) Do user level testing | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | I would be very happy if we decided to wait to install it on PB's beta server to a later date | 07:25 |
| @preaction | tavisto, that's probably correct, but that's Graham's pidgeon, so he's the authority there | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | well the plan is that on June 12th the upgrade will take place and then AMLA's current SQL reports and e-commerce process will break | 07:26 |
| @tavisto | AMLA will pay PB to fix the SQL report (the one you saw doug( | 07:26 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, should you be talking about that on a public channel? | 07:27 |
| @tavisto | and then I'll be working with one of their peeps to fix/tweak/change the current e-commerce process into a working one with the new e-commerce system | 07:27 |
| @tavisto | I dont see why it matters | 07:27 |
| @tavisto | upgrade strategy needs feedback :) | 07:28 |
| @preaction | tavisto, this place is logged | 07:28 |
| @tavisto | okay? | 07:28 |
| @preaction | i dunno either | 07:28 |
| @tavisto | so are you guys telling me that you don't think this is going to | 07:28 |
| @tavisto | be a good idea to push thru with this upgrade... or do you think I should backup their site and jump to a VPS for 3 months | 07:29 |
| @preaction | i think it's a good idea to keep going with the upgrade, i just forgot what you meant | 07:29 |
| perlDreamer | I think the date needs to be pushed back. We haven't had SVN access for 3 days. | 07:29 |
| @preaction | as far as i'm concerned, the feature freeze is pushed back for the time being | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | are you guys going to voice that opinion then to Rizen/Graham? | 07:30 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: We haven't had consistent SVN access for over 3 days. I think the release date needs to be pushed back. | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 07:30 |
| @preaction | i'm going to be working on gallery bugs and the new asset manager until the release | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | LOL he's been quiet I know | 07:30 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: I have failing Gallery and Utility tests when I run the suite on my laptop | 07:31 |
| perlDreamer | did I already email that to you? | 07:31 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, yeah, i'll be getting to that tomorrow if i'm not preempted by server problems or client problems | 07:32 |
| @preaction | maybe i'll have time to figure out why the hell the test server is dead | 07:32 |
| @tavisto | what the crap doug e fresh... making code with bugs? I thought you were better than that | 07:32 |
| @preaction | oh, did you want a login? i can make you one real quick | 07:32 |
| perlDreamer | gotta crash out. More hacking tomorrow. | 07:33 |
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| metanil | $asset->get('size'); will return the file size .. isn't it? | 07:37 |
| @preaction | get('assetSize') i think | 07:39 |
| @preaction | not just the file size, the size of the whole storage location. so it may not be 100% accurate | 07:39 |
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| BartJol | he preaction how are the rest of the servers doing, don't see the api or i18n yet? Just for curiosity, not to be a irritating person that keeps nagging... | 11:58 |
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| BartJol | is the one called bepo here? | 12:49 |
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| BartJol | still no bepo? | 15:51 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:13 |
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| slickware | hey all | 16:19 |
| slickware | 'morning | 16:19 |
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| BartJol | morning | 16:25 |
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| BartJol | no bepo yet? | 16:49 |
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| slickware | anyone here that can give some advice on a template issue I am having | 18:57 |
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| wgGuest16 | what is the irc server for this channel? I'm connected through the java and I'd prefer to use my own client | 20:56 |
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| Giant81 | I'm about to connect to the webinar, but I didn't receive the login info I thought I was supposed to | 20:59 |
| Giant81 | can anyone here help me? | 20:59 |
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| bopbop | wgGuest16: https://na1.connect.acrobat.com/plainblack | 21:09 |
| bopbop | sorry, that was for wgGuest81 | 21:09 |
| Giant81 | no problems... thank you | 21:10 |
| Giant81 | i'm connected now, but its pretty slow | 21:10 |
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| @apeiron | Giant81, This is irc.freenode.net in case you didn't know. | 21:56 |
| @preaction | you cannot escape freenode's influence on the FOSS world. | 22:01 |
| @preaction | SUBMIT | 22:01 |
| @preaction | SUBMIT | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | I just want my password back. | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | oh, and SVN | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | maybe some money, too | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | not much | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | just a couple of 100K$ | 22:04 |
| slickware | someone giving out money? | 22:04 |
| slickware | i'll take some | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | and I want a picture of a "kitteh" | 22:05 |
| slickware | i'm not as greedy as perlDreamer though. like 50k$ is fine with me | 22:05 |
| slickware | kittehies we gots. www.slickware.net/kitteh.jpg | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | ah, well how about a war kitteh? | 22:18 |
| ckotil | perlDreamer: the thging about SVN and passwords is, it will store your password in a plain text file in yur home dir. | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | ckotil: freenode has changed my password without telling me | 22:19 |
| ckotil | thats no good. | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | no | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | how are things in the NOC? | 22:20 |
| ckotil | pretty good | 22:21 |
| ckotil | We're trying to put a huge flashing light in the NOC for when an alarm event happens | 22:22 |
| ckotil | but i doubt the service desk would go for that | 22:22 |
| slickware | GM is considering selling off the Hummer brand | 22:22 |
| ckotil | they're closing a few plants too | 22:22 |
| slickware | Mr. Wagoner, chief exec of GM, stated that this the possible sale of the Hummer line will also include the introduction of many new vehicles including the new sporty Teabag, the gas sipping Rimmer, the family friendly Menage' mini-van and the Chaps pick-up (with an open backside). | 22:22 |
| slickware | that made my day - I had to forward it along :-D | 22:23 |
| ckotil | heh | 22:23 |
| perlDreamer | ckotil: I recommend visiting a truck stop to get the light. You can get some sweet lookin' 12V replacement lights for trucks there. | 22:28 |
| perlDreamer | Get one that doubles as a signal/marker light and you can have two colors :) | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | then, you can pick up/hack up a high current driver to handle the load of the light and enable the driver with a low current pin off of a parallel port. | 22:30 |
| ckotil | yeah, we would need about 8 colors | 22:30 |
| ckotil | yah, that would be awsome | 22:30 |
| slickware | hey all - I have a templating question that i've been headaching over all day | 22:33 |
| perlDreamer | okay | 22:33 |
| slickware | I'm the reject that's still hung up on v5.x so this is probably a stupid question | 22:34 |
| slickware | (trying to learn 7) | 22:34 |
| slickware | I've followed the community wiki on creating your own template/style | 22:34 |
| slickware | I created a /root/themes folder | 22:34 |
| slickware | but for some reason, it didn't show up the first time I created it. So I created another one, and now there is only one Themes folder, but it is telling me the path to it is /root/themes2 | 22:35 |
| slickware | I can't see an other one to delete it, and now all the paths to the files IN that folder are incorrect | 22:35 |
| perlDreamer | slickware: do you have any pending version tags? | 22:36 |
| slickware | I turned off versioning - I hate it | 22:36 |
| slickware | haha | 22:36 |
| slickware | I basically run a single user webgui, so I don't want/need it | 22:36 |
| perlDreamer | well, here's the deal, you really do have two themes folders | 22:37 |
| slickware | i'm sure I do | 22:37 |
| perlDreamer | if you request a URL that is in use, WebGUI will change the URL so that it's unique | 22:37 |
| slickware | here's a second question then - | 22:37 |
| slickware | how can I fix the contents of the "new" folder so that their paths are correct? even if I try to access them at /themes2/images/name.jpg, they still don't work | 22:38 |
| slickware | is there some way to recursively re-populate the URLs for the contents of a folder? | 22:38 |
| perlDreamer | do you mean /root/themes2/images/name.jpg? | 22:38 |
| slickware | yeah | 22:38 |
| ckotil | you can recursively re populate urls via the batch edit. | 22:39 |
| slickware | or /root/themes2/themename/images/name.jpg | 22:39 |
| slickware | etc | 22:39 |
| perlDreamer | well, I would skirt the issue and try to find the original themes folder, using the Asset Manager search function | 22:39 |
| perlDreamer | and then move the stuff from themes2 into themes and get rid of themes | 22:39 |
| slickware | smart | 22:39 |
| slickware | a search only brings up the Themes folder with the themes2 path, however | 22:40 |
| perlDreamer | Are you familiar with SQL? | 22:41 |
| slickware | yes, but I'd prefer not playing with it | 22:41 |
| slickware | ckotil: how do you batch edit? | 22:41 |
| perlDreamer | this would just be a query | 22:42 |
| perlDreamer | SELECT assetId from assetData where url like '%themes%'; | 22:42 |
| ckotil | slickware: ive never used version 5, but in 7 if you click 'More' in the asset manager you will be presented with the batch edit option | 22:43 |
| slickware | I am using 7 | 22:43 |
| ckotil | ok cool | 22:43 |
| slickware | I was just stating that i'm used to 5 | 22:43 |
| slickware | i'm assuming I want "edit branch" | 22:44 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah | 22:44 |
| ckotil | :x | 22:44 |
| slickware | no clue what my params should be though | 22:44 |
| ckotil | batch, branch | 22:44 |
| ckotil | yeah, its very tricky | 22:44 |
| slickware | specified base/parent URL? | 22:44 |
| ckotil | do you have a test instance? | 22:44 |
| slickware | I want to love v7... but it's so hard | 22:44 |
| slickware | haha | 22:44 |
| ckotil | you might play around with it on the demo server | 22:44 |
| slickware | this is basically a demo | 22:44 |
| slickware | it's my learn-to-use-it demo | 22:45 |
| nuba | shouldnt complain, at least its hard | 22:46 |
| slickware | I get enough emails for 80% off viagra, even if it wasn't hard, I wouldn't have an issue | 22:47 |
| nuba | lol | 22:47 |
| slickware | man I wish this had a description | 22:47 |
| slickware | i've managed to erase my path, then make it /root/root/root/themes, and now everything is on its own level | 22:48 |
| perlDreamer | slickware, what do you wish had a description? | 22:48 |
| slickware | none of which are correct | 22:48 |
| slickware | the branch-edit feature | 22:48 |
| perlDreamer | Have you tried the wiki? | 22:48 |
| perlDreamer | or are you talking about hover help for individual fields in there? | 22:48 |
| slickware | I think I got it | 22:49 |
| slickware | now everything appears to be appropriately labeled as root/themes2/foldernames | 22:49 |
| slickware | so now - when building a template, should my image paths be: | 22:50 |
| slickware | domain.com/themes2/theme/images | 22:50 |
| slickware | or | 22:50 |
| slickware | domain.com/home/themes2/theme/images ? | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | neither | 22:50 |
| slickware | lol | 22:50 |
| slickware | ok | 22:50 |
| slickware | the wiki seems to imply the latter | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | you just said the base url is /root/themes2 | 22:51 |
| slickware | yes | 22:51 |
| slickware | which is where the wiki recommends putting your themes folder | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | so, it would be /root/themes2/theme/images | 22:51 |
| slickware | so domain.com/root/themes2/etc... | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | if that's where you put it | 22:51 |
| slickware | I thought you didn't actually have to name the 'root' folder | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | it depends on what you set the URL to | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | remember that URLs in WebGUI are not tied to hierarchy | 22:52 |
| slickware | I remember, frustratingly | 22:52 |
| perlDreamer | you can have a folder /here containing a second folder called /there | 22:52 |
| perlDreamer | both top level URLs, but different hierarchy | 22:52 |
| slickware | right | 22:52 |
| slickware | so I literally include the entire URL that I see in the asset manager | 22:52 |
| slickware | i'm going to edit that damn wiki later | 22:53 |
| slickware | it doesn't help that none of the graphics on it work anymore | 22:53 |
| slickware | oh fabulous it works... woo | 22:55 |
| perlDreamer | the asset manager doesn't show you URLs, it shows you hierarchy in the crumb trail | 22:55 |
| slickware | I know - but they are called URLs | 22:55 |
| Giant81 | has anyone tried to install on ubuntu 8.04? | 22:55 |
| slickware | in the manager | 22:55 |
| Giant81 | I tried the forums but didn't find anybody having problems | 22:55 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: I tried to use Manage from the editing toolbar and got an invalid operation. | 22:56 |
| slickware | giant81: i'm running 7.10 and didn't have issues using the WRE | 22:56 |
| Giant81 | either that is a good thing and noone is having problems and it works... or noone is using it in which case there could be issues | 22:57 |
| Giant81 | I need to download mysql and apache before I use the wre | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | the wre has those in it | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | already | 22:57 |
| slickware | yeah | 22:58 |
| Giant81 | ahh ok | 22:58 |
| slickware | you can literally install ubuntu, do an apt-get update, and install the WRE | 22:58 |
| slickware | optionally installing something like webmin if you so desire | 22:59 |
| perlDreamer | and in Debian, you can apt-get install webgui | 22:59 |
| slickware | debian users have all the fun | 22:59 |
| slickware | last question before I go home | 23:09 |
| slickware | I've got an "^AdminBar;" tag in my template (without quotes), but no adminbar is showing up | 23:09 |
| slickware | all my other macros are ok | 23:10 |
| perlDreamer | do you have admin mode turned on? | 23:12 |
| slickware | yes (i'm not THAT bad) | 23:12 |
| slickware | does it need to be in a specific div tag or be associated with a specific css? | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | I always ask for the low hanging fruit first, I don't mean to insult you. | 23:13 |
| slickware | I know - I was mostly joking - I can take it | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think so. Is it in the page source and just not rendering right? | 23:13 |
| slickware | i'll check source | 23:13 |
| slickware | <script type="text/javascript"> | 23:14 |
| slickware | //<![CDATA[ | 23:14 |
| slickware | var slider = new createSlidePanelBar("WebGUIAdminBar"); | 23:14 |
| slickware | var panel; | 23:14 |
| slickware | i'm assuming that means it's there, and not showing up right | 23:14 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, that looks right | 23:14 |
| perlDreamer | you must be having a markup clash | 23:14 |
| slickware | cool | 23:14 |
| slickware | I always liked the Clash | 23:15 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, my Perl::Critic policy is running! | 23:15 |
| slickware | any idea how to fix that clash? | 23:17 |
| perlDreamer | not really | 23:17 |
| slickware | heh | 23:17 |
| perlDreamer | my web design skills aren't very good. | 23:18 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: I used Path::Class for the first time today and learned a valuable lesson. | 23:21 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Hm? | 23:21 |
| perlDreamer | Not all modules stringify arguments before using them :/ | 23:21 |
| * apeiron nods | 23:22 | |
| perlDreamer | but a manual stringify fixed that | 23:22 |
| perlDreamer | surprisingly, Perl::Critic runs really fast when it can't find a specified config file :) | 23:22 |
| * apeiron snickers. | 23:22 | |
| perlDreamer | and I'm ready to commit the new, correct-but-slow i18n test using Perl::Critic | 23:23 |
| @apeiron | Ah, does it use Path::Class? | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
| slickware | I wish I knew/understood more about CSS... I prefer hard code any day | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | my $label_profile = Path::Class::File->new( WebGUI::Test->root , 't', 'i18n', 'perlcriticrc'); Test::Perl::Critic->import(-profile => $label_profile->stringify); | 23:23 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Very cool, I <3 it. | 23:23 |
| slickware | figured it out - you need the tmpl.var for the <head> to be there | 23:24 |
| slickware | I just assumed it was for something else and left it out | 23:24 |
| perlDreamer | it must preload a bunch of JS and style sheets | 23:24 |
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| slickware | ok, seriously last question. what happened to the "change all pages below to this style" option? | 23:36 |
| slickware | I want to change the template for my home page and all pages beneath | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | that's in edit branch | 23:37 |
| slickware | ok | 23:37 |
| slickware | thought you used to be able to do it from the page-edit /display menu | 23:37 |
| perlDreamer | Yes, but then the function was generalized and expanded into Edit Branch | 23:38 |
| slickware | gotcha | 23:39 |
| @preaction | anyone familiar with the commerce Address Book know if the WebGUI::Shop::AddressBook::www_view method is supposed to always have a ?callback query param? | 23:39 |
| perlDreamer | sorry, that's a rizen question | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | although it looks like all it does is set some hidden form vars | 23:41 |
| BartJol | or a MrHairgrease maybe | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | No, AddressBook is Herr Rizen | 23:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, i was trying to help steve make a new template for that, but turns out you can only get to it from the cart | 23:41 |
| @preaction | he figured it out though, so no worries, just wondering if i found a problem | 23:41 |
| slickware | alright. Thanks everyone. hope the weather is as nice wherever you are as it is in Boston | 23:42 |
| slickware | enjoy your afternoons or properly adjusted world-time | 23:42 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: potentially a bug. I know he's been kicking it around for general purpose use beyond the Shop. | 23:42 |
| * slickware peaces out | 23:42 | |
| perlDreamer | hack on, slickware | 23:42 |
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| BartJol | any idea when the api sit will be up again? | 23:43 |
| BartJol | or i18n? | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | BartJol, the hosting company is continuing to have problems | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | now with the temporary equipment failing | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | I have the feeling it's going to be a while | 23:43 |
| BartJol | ok | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | SVN is also down | 23:44 |
| BartJol | well, a fire is bound to have some impact on their facilities | 23:45 |
| perlDreamer | It blew up three walls in the facility | 23:45 |
| perlDreamer | PB.com go boom | 23:45 |
| perlDreamer | meanwhile, rizen is blissfully unaware on a cruise ship in the North Pacific | 23:45 |
| @preaction | we're getting frozen moved to another facility, so we'll hopefully have it soon | 23:46 |
| BartJol | Hopefully for him he's unaware | 23:46 |
| @preaction | soon being before christmas | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | does frozen host all those functions? | 23:46 |
| BartJol | whoa | 23:46 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:46 |
| BartJol | we have some nice servers too | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | Are they scheduled to blow up, too? | 23:46 |
| BartJol | yeah, but only when we host pb | 23:47 |
| BartJol | we had enough fires here lately | 23:47 |
| BartJol | 4 in 1 month | 23:48 |
| perlDreamer | no way! You gotta be kidding! | 23:48 |
| BartJol | well, 2 in student houses, one in a hotel and one in the faculty of architecture | 23:49 |
| BartJol | the first 3 probably related by a pyromaniac | 23:49 |
| BartJol | last one not, that was a short circuit in a coffee machine | 23:50 |
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| Giant81 | so webgui is in the repository for debian stable? | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | it's in whatever Lenny is | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/webgui-going-into-debian-lenny | 00:15 |
| Giant81 | then no... lenny is testing | 00:16 |
| BartJol | but will be stable in time if I understand correctly, but I couldn't find whether the wre installation is included or whether it is only WebGUI itself | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | it's a little of both | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | it includes dependencies on apache, mod_perl, mysql, and the perl modules | 00:25 |
| perlDreamer | but it doesn't build a website by default, yet | 00:25 |
| BartJol | well, most people won't need that | 00:25 |
| perlDreamer | we need SquOnk to give us a tutorial next time he's in here. maybe a wiki page or forum post | 00:25 |
| @preaction | it doesn't include the WRE itself, from what i know, squonk is building his own helper scripts for addsite and removesite and such | 00:25 |
| BartJol | would be a bit too much maybe | 00:26 |
| BartJol | yeah | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | i don't know if they're in lenny yet, i think he's waiting for lenny+1 | 00:26 |
| BartJol | but if you use a shared webserver only for WebGUI, it probably would be wise to use the wre and install webgui with that? | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i still would, because of what the WRE provides | 00:28 |
| @preaction | the helper scripts | 00:28 |
| @preaction | update scripts | 00:28 |
| @preaction | the monitor | 00:28 |
| @preaction | the WRE console | 00:28 |
| BartJol | they're quite helpfull yes | 00:29 |
| @preaction | however, if you're just adding WebGUI to an existing installation (that happens to be on Debian), then "sudo apt-get install webgui" is nice to have | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | Doesn't the WRE claim performance enhancements over your standard, vanilla distribution binaries as well? | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | Stripped down and light-weight | 00:30 |
| @preaction | yeah. anything that isnt needed by webgui is removed | 00:31 |
| BartJol | I don't deny that, only want to know what way I should go | 00:31 |
| BartJol | when installing | 00:31 |
| @preaction | imho, for mainly WebGUI server, the WRE. if WebGUI is going to only be a small part, source will probably work fine | 00:31 |
| BartJol | well, we're trying to split those now we're going virtual server | 00:33 |
| @preaction | so resources are at a premium, i'd go WRE | 00:34 |
| BartJol | so we get a webgui-wre combination or something else what the client desires | 00:34 |
| @preaction | you'll probably end up tweaking some of the apache settings to keep resource consumption low (especially during idle times) | 00:35 |
| BartJol | when a server is dedicated to one WebGUI site, it is a decision whether you waant the build in functions of the wre, but is there a downside of using the wre, performance speaking? | 00:37 |
| @preaction | the WRE is tweaked for webgui performance. anything that isn't needed for webgui isn't compiled in. InnoDB in the mysql server, for example | 00:38 |
| @preaction | it shaves the memory overhead (which will probably be your bottleneck) | 00:38 |
| BartJol | Ok, so I should go into tweaking wre | 00:38 |
| BartJol | well | 00:38 |
| BartJol | I don't know, just interested, Koen is mostly busy with that kind of issues | 00:39 |
| @preaction | your limiting factor, rather. ("Growth is limited by that necessity that is available in the least amount") | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | time | 00:39 |
| BartJol | beer? | 00:40 |
| @preaction | so 16G of memory in 2G chunks gives you 8 VPS on a box. If you can get away with 1.5G, you can add 3 more VPS on that box | 00:40 |
| BartJol | mine is empty | 00:40 |
| BartJol | it will depend on the circumstances I understand | 00:41 |
| BartJol | how surprising :) | 00:41 |
| @preaction | personally, i would go with some sort of clustered system with a NAS for storage, then divide the resources with a VM system. probably a rather large initial expense, but it would be virtually bulletproof | 00:42 |
| @preaction | make a clone / backup and put it in a different datacenter (preferably on the other side of the country), and you might be able to avoid just about any catastrophe short of Armageddon | 00:42 |
| BartJol | I'm not sure which storage we have for our virtual environment | 00:43 |
| * preaction amuses himself by thinking up server architecture | 00:43 | |
| BartJol | we're working on that system with some nice hgardware | 00:43 |
| BartJol | but it goes a bit above m,y understanding | 00:43 |
| @apeiron | preaction++ # incidental prodding to finish reading Dune | 00:44 |
| BartJol | you can borrow mine | 00:45 |
| @preaction | apeiron, how did i do that? | 00:45 |
| @apeiron | preaction, <preaction> your limiting factor, rather. ("Growth is limited by that necessity that is available in the least amount") | 00:45 |
| BartJol | the first one that is | 00:45 |
| @apeiron | That's apparently a Frank Herbert quote. | 00:45 |
| BartJol | oh | 00:45 |
| BartJol | short memory | 00:45 |
| perlDreamer | will PB making changes due to the server snafu? | 00:46 |
| @preaction | apeiron, that's a basic law of environmental science, but yes | 00:46 |
| perlDreamer | geographic redundancy? | 00:46 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, from what I hear from vrby, we'll be looking at an off-site storage location for backups | 00:46 |
| @preaction | the problem was that we couldn't survive both a server going down AND dusk (the current backup system) going down | 00:46 |
| @preaction | so with a second, redundant backup, we'll be better able to survive a catastrophe | 00:47 |
| perlDreamer | hm. Looks like there are still some false negatives in the Critic policy for labels | 00:49 |
| @apeiron | Better than false positives, I'd say, aye? | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | May be some of those, too. | 00:50 |
| BartJol | they don't compensate each other? | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | It's been running about 2.5 hours, and it's up to Form and contents | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | would it be sheer lunacy to try and space out the modules in sbin/testEnvironment.pl? so that modules, versions, and flags were columnar? | 00:57 |
| BartJol | I think everyone is baffled by the lunacy of your genius.... | 01:00 |
| perlDreamer | must be | 01:00 |
| perlDreamer | I've been Warnocked! | 01:01 |
| BartJol | I don't have a clue what you're talking about... | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_Dilemma | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: warnock is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_Dilemma | 01:01 |
| perlbot | added warnock to the database | 01:01 |
| BartJol | Ah, so I almost participate in the warnocking, but stating my ignorance is perventing it | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 01:06 |
| perlDreamer | although, you didn't state whether or not you think it's a good idea or not, so you are Warnocking | 01:06 |
| BartJol | well, m,y cluelessness was actually referring to both Warnocking and columnising testEnvironment | 01:07 |
| BartJol | bed time for me | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | 'night | 01:42 |
| BartJol | thanks | 01:42 |
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| @apeiron | Wow, color shots from Phoenix on Mars: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/new-latest-images-collection_archive_1.html | 01:57 |
| @preaction | it's not red! | 02:10 |
| perlDreamer | it's not full of starts either | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | um, stars | 02:12 |
| @preaction | that's one of Saturn's moon | 02:12 |
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| metanil | i saw this in session::form "A full set of form params just as you'd pass into any of the form controls when building it." . what does it mean? | 02:38 |
| metanil | what set of form params? | 02:39 |
| metanil | form parameters are the name itself, aren't they? | 02:39 |
| perlDreamer | they can also be things like defaults | 02:40 |
| perlDreamer | filter settings | 02:40 |
| perlDreamer | and so on | 02:40 |
| @preaction | basically the arguments you'd use to a WebGUI::Form::Control object | 02:40 |
| metanil | oh ok.. | 02:41 |
| @preaction | most of the time you don't need them, it can DWYM, but sometimes you need other things, like to pre-select a storageId for a File control | 02:41 |
| @preaction | (so it doesn't create yet another one) | 02:41 |
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| metanil | sweet | 02:42 |
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| @khenn | I've been instructed to ask: | 03:17 |
| @khenn | who added the "cancelling commit" nonsense to WebGUI? | 03:18 |
| @preaction | cancelling commit? huh? | 03:21 |
| @khenn | I don't know, I got an email from JT blaming me for adding "cancelling commit" nonsense to WebGUI | 03:25 |
| @khenn | so I'm trying to figure out who did it | 03:25 |
| @preaction | i don't even know what it is. | 03:26 |
| @khenn | me either | 03:26 |
| @khenn | and I can't see svn | 03:26 |
| @khenn | so I don't know how he knows | 03:26 |
| @preaction | it must've gone in before | 03:27 |
| @preaction | or he keeps track of the RSS feed for commits | 03:27 |
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| @apeiron | khenn, Do you know which file(s) it's in? | 03:58 |
| @khenn | no | 03:58 |
| @khenn | all I got was "canelling commit" nonsense | 03:58 |
| @preaction | i changed some of how approval worked, but it was with his approval | 04:00 |
| @preaction | i'm not seeing anything in the API to cancel a commit | 04:01 |
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| perlDreamer | hey, all | 06:19 |
| @apeiron | Greetings! | 06:20 |
| perlDreamer | khenn, I'm afraid that I'm the person you're looking for | 06:20 |
| perlDreamer | cancelling commit is part of an RFE that I put in | 06:20 |
| perlDreamer | but rizen approved it | 06:21 |
| @preaction | where is it then? what is it? | 06:21 |
| @khenn | JT says to email him and explain yourself | 06:21 |
| @khenn | oh and you are supposed to undo it | 06:21 |
| perlDreamer | I can't undo it | 06:21 |
| perlDreamer | no SVN | 06:21 |
| @khenn | I guess I'd email him first if he approved it | 06:21 |
| perlDreamer | preaction, check out Operation/VersionTag, line 310 | 06:21 |
| perlDreamer | It's part of a handling problems with spectre | 06:22 |
| @preaction | ahh | 06:22 |
| @preaction | cancel the commit if it can't reach spectre | 06:22 |
| perlDreamer | If you ask for a commit, and can't talk to spectre, then instead of leaving the tag in limbo, it just sets the tag back to pending | 06:22 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 06:22 |
| perlDreamer | I'll email JT and take my lumps | 06:22 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's unnecessary now: everything happens in realtime until a certain number of seconds have passed | 06:23 |
| @preaction | eh, that changed only a little while ago, whereas you might've gotten approval before that | 06:23 |
| @preaction | so just a matter of crossed wires | 06:23 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, I'd suggest running svn blame, but that won't work either :) | 06:23 |
| perlDreamer | so why is it unnecessary now? | 06:24 |
| perlDreamer | If you can't talk to spectre, then why would you allow a commit to be processed? | 06:24 |
| @preaction | because Commit Without Approval has one activity. that one activity can be done in a few seconds, spectre will never know anything about it, since it'll be done in realtime | 06:26 |
| @preaction | all workflows are realtime until they take too long | 06:26 |
| perlDreamer | wow | 06:27 |
| perlDreamer | Okay | 06:27 |
| @apeiron | mmm | 06:28 |
| @apeiron | About the svn blame thing, would svk still work if offline? | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer | and what happens if it takes too long and spectre is down? | 06:28 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron, no idea | 06:28 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, heh, likewise | 06:28 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, if it takes too long and spectre is down then it goes to spectre. but since spectre is an external process, you'd still want to keep the WorkflowInstance in the table until spectre returns | 06:29 |
| @preaction | i mean, that's my opinion of course | 06:29 |
| @preaction | a warning like "Unable to contact spectre, your commit may take longer than expected" would be nice | 06:29 |
| perlDreamer | but that would only be necessary if the defer takes place | 06:30 |
| perlDreamer | I know y'all submitted to have frozen moved, is there an estimate for when it will be done? | 06:31 |
| perlDreamer | I'll revert it right out of SVN after it's back up. | 06:31 |
| @apeiron | heh | 06:31 |
| @apeiron | I think we should make a plan to stagger our commits once frozen is back up. I'm sure we've all got some stuff we're itching to ci | 06:31 |
| perlDreamer | I think it's a good time for Haarg to teach us all git :) | 06:32 |
| @apeiron | nevar | 06:32 |
| @preaction | apparently i didn't submit the ticket correctly, since the instructions they gave were inconsistent with what i was seeing, so i had to resubmit the ticket | 06:32 |
| @apeiron | svk for lief! | 06:32 |
| @preaction | so now i don't know when | 06:32 |
| perlDreamer | email to JT away, I'm sorry if I caused you guys problems | 06:35 |
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| elnino | good evening! I'm just curious about the asset manager and the javascript webgui used from mattkruse, and was wondering what field in the db you use the store the ranking field for the assets listed in the asset manager? | 07:23 |
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| @preaction | elnino, the ranking field is also the last 6 characters of the asset's lineage (located in the asset table) | 07:37 |
| elnino | ok that would explain why I couldn't find a ranking field in the db schema. Thanks! | 07:37 |
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| metanil | to get parent asset, will getLineage(["self","ancestors"],{returnObjects=>1}); do?? | 07:50 |
| @preaction | metanil, $asset->getParent | 07:51 |
| metanil | and how to use ancestorLimit .. to return only parent (not grand parent) | 07:51 |
| @apeiron | You should be able to do ->getParent, no? | 07:51 |
| metanil | oh oh | 07:51 |
| metanil | sweet | 07:51 |
| metanil | :D | 07:51 |
| @preaction | you can theoretically go all the way up the stack that way | 07:51 |
| @apeiron | 'theoretically' | 07:51 |
| @preaction | it's not recommended, since they're instanciated no matter what | 07:52 |
| metanil | even $asset->getParent? | 07:52 |
| @apeiron | Once is fine. | 07:52 |
| metanil | :) | 07:52 |
| @apeiron | But a dozen, probably not. | 07:52 |
| metanil | yeah.. thats what also think | 07:54 |
| metanil | how to create boolean template variable so that i can do <tmpl_if var_name> | 07:58 |
| metanil | can we do $vars{'var_name'} = 0 or 1 | 07:58 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, tias | 07:59 |
| perlbot | Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works. | 07:59 |
| metanil | ok.. that'll also help :) | 08:00 |
| metanil | it worked | 08:10 |
| metanil | thanks. | 08:10 |
| metanil | do need to have any boolean kind of thing,, just checking the variable whether it was set in pm file or not | 08:10 |
| @preaction | it's perl's notion of truth | 08:11 |
| @preaction | perlbot false | 08:11 |
| perlbot | undef, 0, "", "0" | 08:11 |
| @preaction | perlbot true | 08:11 |
| perlbot | Anything that isn't false. see "false" | 08:11 |
| metanil | then i guess i learn a new thing in perl.. | 08:15 |
| metanil | thanks guys.. | 08:15 |
| metanil | time to take a nap | 08:16 |
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| @tavisto | perlbot is wonky | 08:53 |
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| @apeiron | perlbot perlbot | 10:21 |
| @apeiron | ... what | 10:21 |
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| ckotil | haha. just got rick rolled on the phone! | 16:19 |
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| Giant81 | I just installed a debian server named 'webgui' to use as my webgui server | 17:25 |
| Giant81 | I installed wre and eveyrthing went fine | 17:25 |
| Giant81 | I added a site and named it p1stest | 17:25 |
| Giant81 | how do I access it? | 17:25 |
| slickware | heh | 17:26 |
| slickware | for now, you can access it by IP | 17:26 |
| Giant81 | I tried p1stest.webgui.rph.int | 17:26 |
| slickware | http://ip.address.of.machine | 17:26 |
| Giant81 | and I get "it works" by apache | 17:26 |
| slickware | otherwise, you need to set up some DNS | 17:26 |
| slickware | did you install apache on debian? | 17:26 |
| Giant81 | I think webgui did it for me | 17:27 |
| slickware | right - but - | 17:27 |
| slickware | if you let debian install apache, it will run both the default apache AND the WRE apache | 17:27 |
| slickware | and you'll have issues | 17:27 |
| slickware | see if you can stop the apache service | 17:27 |
| Giant81 | so I need to shutdown the non wre apache | 17:27 |
| slickware | yea | 17:27 |
| slickware | and give yourself a pat on the back for making it that far | 17:28 |
| slickware | haha | 17:28 |
| Giant81 | wre is pretty easy to setup... most of the issues I had were getting vmware tools installed | 17:28 |
| slickware | if you have something like webmin installed, it'll be easy to tell if apache is on/running | 17:30 |
| Giant81 | I went to /etc/init.d and did an apache stop | 17:31 |
| Giant81 | and now I see nothing when I go to the IP... the wre and debian apache are seperate installs right? | 17:32 |
| BartJol | yeah | 17:35 |
| slickware | did you load the wreconsole and make sure everything is running in there? | 17:36 |
| Giant81 | it was running before... let me double check | 17:38 |
| slickware | I had a weird issue where my services would stop when I stopped the console | 17:38 |
| BartJol | cool | 17:38 |
| Giant81 | brilliant | 17:38 |
| Giant81 | modproxy was not started.. though I'd seen it started before | 17:38 |
| slickware | heh... don't ask me to program... but I can get the Wre running | 17:40 |
| BartJol | well a macro is quickly written: | 17:42 |
| BartJol | package WebGUI::Macro::HelloWorld; | 17:42 |
| BartJol | use strict; | 17:42 |
| BartJol | sub process { | 17:42 |
| BartJol | return "Hallo gast"; | 17:42 |
| BartJol | } | 17:42 |
| BartJol | 1; | 17:42 |
| BartJol | my first baby | 17:42 |
| slickware | ha | 17:55 |
| slickware | so useful, thanks :) | 17:55 |
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| slickware | question for anyone there... | 18:09 |
| BartJol | I'm someone... I think | 18:10 |
| slickware | I've edited the styles on my entire site - only - when a user goes to log in, the admin?op=auth;method=login page still displays the old style | 18:10 |
| BartJol | user login style | 18:11 |
| slickware | how do I fix the style of that page? | 18:11 |
| BartJol | user function style i mean | 18:11 |
| BartJol | in the settings | 18:11 |
| slickware | is it a page template? | 18:11 |
| BartJol | it is a setting where you choose a template | 18:11 |
| slickware | oh ok | 18:11 |
| BartJol | it's in the tab UI | 18:11 |
| slickware | got it | 18:12 |
| slickware | next question: my rich edit doesn't seem to have any font-formatting buttons | 18:12 |
| slickware | is that normal (because the CSS controls everything? | 18:12 |
| BartJol | any? like no bold and italic too? | 18:13 |
| BartJol | normally most things are indeed controlled by css | 18:13 |
| BartJol | maybe those buttons exist if you maximise the rich edit features | 18:14 |
| BartJol | not sure | 18:14 |
| slickware | hmm | 18:14 |
| BartJol | import node->richedit->yourrichedit | 18:14 |
| BartJol | or whatever it's called | 18:14 |
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| slickware | I have bold and italic | 18:15 |
| BartJol | ok | 18:15 |
| slickware | but I don't have font or size | 18:15 |
| BartJol | I'll have a look | 18:15 |
| slickware | which I guess is probably a good thing, because then it all stays the same | 18:15 |
| slickware | but font size does seem like a strange thing to not have | 18:16 |
| BartJol | you can turn it on | 18:17 |
| BartJol | go to the asset manager | 18:17 |
| BartJol | click root->import node-> RichEdit | 18:18 |
| BartJol | there are 2 default editor settings | 18:18 |
| BartJol | just make a copy of the content mangers richedit | 18:18 |
| BartJol | edit the copy | 18:18 |
| BartJol | are you there yet? | 18:19 |
| slickware | sorry stepped away - lemme chec | 18:20 |
| Giant81 | how do I get to make demo's with webgui after I install it? I've turned on the demo's under wre console | 18:20 |
| BartJol | sorry Giant81, never tried, wouldn't know | 18:20 |
| Giant81 | kk ty | 18:21 |
| slickware | awesome | 18:22 |
| slickware | thanks bart | 18:22 |
| BartJol | no problem, given a presentation on the subject last year at the wuc, comes in handy right now :) | 18:23 |
| slickware | how is the WUC | 18:23 |
| BartJol | nice | 18:23 |
| slickware | i'm considering it this year | 18:23 |
| slickware | but i'm in Boston, so it's a haul | 18:23 |
| BartJol | Well, it's nearly as far as the netherlands | 18:24 |
| slickware | haha | 18:24 |
| slickware | touche' | 18:24 |
| slickware | there seems to be a huge netherlands/webgui thing | 18:24 |
| BartJol | yeah | 18:24 |
| BartJol | we like it as an excuse to show americans that we can drink more and better than them :) | 18:25 |
| BartJol | but serious, there are a couple of companies here that use WebGUI for a long time | 18:25 |
| BartJol | help develope, host it, give support, so we like some contact (and maybe influence) on the whole project | 18:26 |
| * Giant81 is from wisconsin | 18:27 | |
| * Giant81 takes that challenge | 18:27 | |
| * Radix_ is from Australia. | 18:27 | |
| BartJol | so wuc next yera will be in the netherlands | 18:27 |
| slickware | wow | 18:27 |
| BartJol | Giant81 is bound to be at the wuc then | 18:27 |
| +Radix_ | need more Aussies in here.. me and patspam seem to be it so far ;) | 18:27 |
| slickware | you guys definitely have better beer, i'm not surprised you can drink more | 18:27 |
| Giant81 | if I can get my employer to pay for it... yes | 18:28 |
| Giant81 | its right in town here in Madison | 18:28 |
| Giant81 | but I don't have the money to go | 18:28 |
| slickware | how much is the conference itself? | 18:28 |
| +Radix_ | US$500 from memory | 18:28 |
| Giant81 | Wisconsin is nice, a very large German population with lots of micro breweries and good beer | 18:29 |
| Giant81 | yeah | 18:29 |
| BartJol | atherwise it's somewhere on webgui.org/wuc | 18:29 |
| BartJol | yeah, the Essen Hause was cool | 18:29 |
| +Radix_ | Giant81: you should write a talk/presentation for the WUC then - then you get in free I believe | 18:29 |
| slickware | hahaha | 18:29 |
| BartJol | Radix_ are you coming this year? | 18:30 |
| slickware | I would only talk about how I still like version 5x better than 7x :-D | 18:30 |
| BartJol | we missed you... | 18:30 |
| +Radix_ | or perhaps offer your services to help out in setting things up, cleanup, etc perhaps? dunno | 18:30 |
| +Radix_ | BartJol: wish I could, it sounds like this year is going to be big with all the new stuff in 7.5 | 18:30 |
| BartJol | ah the "Be JT's slave for a weekend arrangement" | 18:31 |
| BartJol | sounds like a no | 18:31 |
| +Radix_ | I've got to plan a big wedding for next year tho (Yumi and I are getting married) - so can't plan any big trips atm | 18:31 |
| BartJol | ah, can the dutch crew come? | 18:32 |
| BartJol | to the wedding? | 18:32 |
| +Radix_ | heh.. if you can make it over here you're welcome! | 18:32 |
| +Radix_ | Actually we'll probably be doing two weddings.. one here and one in Penang, Malaysia | 18:32 |
| BartJol | have to do something with my days off | 18:32 |
| BartJol | jee | 18:33 |
| Giant81 | I may end up volunteering to help setup etc... | 18:33 |
| BartJol | simultaneously? | 18:33 |
| BartJol | mail graham or ask Haarg (that's the same) | 18:33 |
| +Radix_ | BartJol: that'd be interesting.. how exactly would that be accomplished tho ;) | 18:33 |
| BartJol | dunno, big video screens... instant transportation, stuff like that | 18:34 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 18:34 |
| +Radix_ | I think the penang one will more than likely just be a reception - lots of food for her aunts/uncles/family back home.. the wedding itself will be here | 18:35 |
| +Radix_ | then we'll head off somewhere for our honeymoon | 18:35 |
| +Radix_ | still needs lots of planning atm anyway.. all we've determined so far is that it'll be next year sometime! :) | 18:36 |
| BartJol | but then you need a break from planning and go to the wuc | 18:36 |
| slickware | is it a good time? how much of a crowd is there | 18:38 |
| slickware | (the wuc, not the wedding0\ | 18:38 |
| BartJol | around 50-100, don't remember exactly | 18:39 |
| BartJol | from which around 10 dutch persons | 18:39 |
| BartJol | I think around 70 last year | 18:40 |
| BartJol | but it's hard to estimate | 18:40 |
| BartJol | it's a very good time, there are talks this yera for beginners, admins and developers, so always something interesting | 18:41 |
| BartJol | and a nice bar in the hotel | 18:41 |
| slickware | haha | 18:41 |
| slickware | that's not as large as I would have expected actually | 18:41 |
| +Radix_ | highly recommend it also.. It gave me a chance to answer all the questions I had and see how everyone else was using webgui in fascinating ways | 18:42 |
| BartJol | well it was a bit smaller than I did expect last year | 18:42 |
| BartJol | but that's only good for getting the chance to talk to everyone | 18:42 |
| BartJol | and ask questions ask Radix mentioned | 18:42 |
| BartJol | to show nice stuff you did | 18:43 |
| BartJol | but have to go, have to network for a new house and the work for today has been done | 18:45 |
| BartJol | see you around | 18:46 |
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| +Radix_ | I'm off to bed also.. nite | 18:46 |
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| slickware | maybe I will have to plan on it for next year | 18:54 |
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| perlDreamer | Only in the Netherlands: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080604/ap_on_fe_st/mooning_mishap;_ylt=As5lpOzsqT_LK3OX0Jkfi6as0NUE | 20:13 |
| slickware | I think I can top that | 20:19 |
| slickware | :-D | 20:20 |
| slickware | http://youtube.com/watch?v=BmZpH6RWGI4&feature=related | 20:20 |
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| @apeiron | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html media channel has Phoenix updates. | 21:03 |
| @preaction | svn should be back now, for those of you waiting to make commits | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | talked with rizen, he says it's okay to warn people about spectre being down on commit, but not to cancel the commit | 21:05 |
| perlDreamer | I'll hold off my commits until this afternoon, PDT-wise | 21:05 |
| @apeiron | preaction++ # Houston, SVN is a go | 21:07 |
| @preaction | pfft, blame me for failing to make the init.d script work and having to start it manually. it could've been up hours ago | 21:07 |
| perlDreamer | Dude, it's working. That's all that matters. | 21:07 |
| * apeiron nods. | 21:08 | |
| @preaction | actually, i blame redhat for their "service" command not telling me WHY my script wasn't working (didn't have the +x bit) | 21:08 |
| perlDreamer | The only questions now are 1)git or SVK, 2) when we switch | 21:08 |
| @apeiron | I say leave the repo itself as svn, then developers can use whatever they want. | 21:09 |
| @apeiron | I personally find git to be as awkward as CVS. | 21:09 |
| @apeiron | Or worse. | 21:09 |
| perlDreamer | I haven't used either, but Haarg digs git over svk after using both for a while. | 21:10 |
| @apeiron | There're some technical issues with svk, but for me, git is emacs-style awkward. | 21:11 |
| @preaction | imho svk seems like a hack over svn, whereas git was designed to be distributed | 21:12 |
| @preaction | but me, i've tried bazaar and i like it | 21:12 |
| perlDreamer | you're forgiven, as a penance, burn two copies of the Emacs users manual | 21:13 |
| @apeiron | I don't think it would matter which client developer X or developer Y uses if we use the SVN FS, since so many clients can speak to it. | 21:15 |
| perlDreamer | but if the SVN goes down again, can SVK and git push across to one another? | 21:16 |
| perlDreamer | in other words, are we still vulnerable to the same problem? | 21:16 |
| @apeiron | hmm | 21:17 |
| @apeiron | I don't think so. | 21:17 |
| @apeiron | well | 21:17 |
| @apeiron | You could do it *manually*. | 21:17 |
| @apeiron | i.e., tar up the SVK depot directory, mail it. | 21:17 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, that's advantage of homogeneity. If it's all git, then we just stop pushing to main and start pulling from one another. | 21:18 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know how SVK would work, probably similarly. | 21:18 |
| @apeiron | I dunno. If we standardize on git, I might write a porcelain for it to present a more comfortable interface. | 21:20 |
| * perlDreamer commits to reading the stuff that Haarg sent out about git intro for SVN users | 21:20 | |
| @Haarg | what part of the interface don't you like apeiron? | 21:22 |
| @apeiron | Haarg, The way the commands are named, the ugly ugly ugly URL syntax, other stuff. | 21:22 |
| @Haarg | i don't think you can push/pull from other svk repositories easily | 21:22 |
| @Haarg | which url syntax do you mean? | 21:22 |
| @apeiron | I think in terms of 'checkout' 'update' 'checkin', not 'push' 'pull 'clone' | 21:22 |
| perlDreamer | I think this is the URL: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html | 21:26 |
| @Haarg | that's getting used to git if you are familiar with svn | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | if you are using git like i do, with a svn backend, then there's this: http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html | 21:32 |
| perlDreamer | ah, thanks Haarg. I saw this talk at OSCON last year, but had forgotten about it. | 21:35 |
| perlDreamer | Sam is a good presenter. | 21:35 |
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| wgGuest52 | hello | 21:35 |
| wgGuest52 | i am nwb just installed on my virtual server wreconsole is working can someone help | 21:37 |
| slickware | what's your question wgGuest52? | 21:37 |
| wgGuest52 | hi slick m not sure everything working just testing right now services all ok now how can i publish website | 21:39 |
| wgGuest52 | or begin working on website | 21:40 |
| @apeiron | wgGuest52, Did you add a site via the WRE console? | 21:42 |
| wgGuest52 | yes | 21:42 |
| @apeiron | Okay, and you've done the initial setup for that, yes? | 21:42 |
| @apeiron | Gone to that URL, done the wizard with the light blue background, etc. | 21:42 |
| wgGuest52 | am still on wre console | 21:43 |
| @apeiron | You'll need to access the URL of the site you added on the console. | 21:43 |
| wgGuest52 | still showing apache placeholder | 21:44 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest52: Are you using debian? | 21:44 |
| wgGuest52 | ubuntu i think i have to add dns /etjosts | 21:45 |
| wgGuest52 | ubuntu i think i have to add dns /hosts | 21:45 |
| perlDreamer | okay, have you turned off the default apache that comes with ubuntu, and the mysql? | 21:45 |
| slickware | lol two of these issues today so far. | 21:46 |
| wgGuest52 | not the apache cant control it with httpd have to kill process | 21:47 |
| wgGuest52 | i think | 21:47 |
| wgGuest52 | i have may be 10 apche processes runin | 21:48 |
| wgGuest52 | 16 actually | 21:48 |
| slickware | try running | 21:49 |
| slickware | /etc/init.d/httpd stop | 21:49 |
| wgGuest52 | no such file | 21:50 |
| slickware | ok | 21:50 |
| wgGuest52 | kill all apche proces | 21:50 |
| slickware | replace httpd in that with apache2 | 21:51 |
| slickware | see if that works | 21:51 |
| slickware | and/or you might have to: | 21:51 |
| slickware | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop | 21:51 |
| @Haarg | if you are using the wre, you would want to use the wreservice.pl script | 21:51 |
| @apeiron | Haarg, The issue seems to be a vendor-supplied httpd clashing with the WRE httpd. | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | ah | 21:52 |
| wgGuest52 | aha | 21:52 |
| @Haarg | me no read good | 21:52 |
| @preaction | yeah, sudo invoke-rc.d httpd stop | 21:52 |
| wgGuest52 | yes ok | 21:52 |
| @preaction | or apache2 stop | 21:52 |
| perlDreamer | or install fedora | 21:55 |
| @preaction | pfft, you and your fedora | 21:56 |
| @preaction | debian ftw | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | ftw = foobar's the world? | 21:56 |
| @Haarg | for the win | 21:56 |
| slickware | man fedora stopped being cool back when... oh right, when it stopped being redhat :-D | 21:57 |
| wgGuest52 | thanks slickware i am getting started | 21:58 |
| wgGuest52 | i will play around for now bye all thanks | 21:58 |
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| slickware | how many ways are there to stop apache? the world may never know! | 22:00 |
| @apeiron | I prefer the slay utility. | 22:01 |
| * perlDreamer 1) tries init script | 22:02 | |
| * perlDreamer 2) tries apache2 stop | 22:02 | |
| * perlDreamer 3) tries kill -9 | 22:02 | |
| perlDreamer | 3 | 22:02 |
| @apeiron | http://pkgsrc.se/sysutils/slay | 22:02 |
| @apeiron | Do yourself a favor, do not run slay without arguments. | 22:03 |
| slickware | heh... that's an awesome command | 22:04 |
| @preaction | ps ax | grep "httpd" | cut -d' ' -f 1 | xargs kill -9 | 22:04 |
| @preaction | works when killall doesn't exist | 22:05 |
| ckotil | heh | 22:08 |
| @apeiron | bah grep, bah cut, bah xargs | 22:09 |
| @apeiron | You call yourself a Perl programmer? | 22:09 |
| @preaction | ps ax | perl -anlF' ' -e'`kill -9 $A[0]`' | 22:11 |
| @preaction | one of these things is slightly more readable than the other, lets figure out which! | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane 'kill -9 $F[0]' | 22:12 |
| perlDreamer | split on whitespace is the default | 22:12 |
| perlDreamer | and it does seem strange to invoke perl to call the shell | 22:13 |
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| @preaction | pfft. damn you and your stronger perl-fu | 22:13 |
| perlDreamer | only on the command line, preaction | 22:13 |
| @Haarg | wouldn't that try to kill every process? | 22:13 |
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| @preaction | mine doesn't have the overhead of the perl interpreter | 22:13 |
| @preaction | ha, we forgot grep | 22:13 |
| @apeiron | .... ha, oops | 22:14 |
| perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache/' | 22:14 |
| perlDreamer | no grep needed | 22:14 |
| perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /(apache)|(httpd)/' | 22:15 |
| @preaction | no need for capturing parens there | 22:15 |
| @preaction | unless that's a PBP thing | 22:15 |
| @Haarg | i don't think pbp applies to one liners | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | nope, just my bad | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | so we can drop 4 more characters | 22:17 |
| perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache|httpd/' | 22:17 |
| @Haarg | you could also drop some spaces if you hate readability | 22:17 |
| @preaction | c'mon, you know we do! | 22:18 |
| perlDreamer | and I think this will do it all "inside" perl: perl -lane 'BEGIN{ @ARGV = `ps -ax`} `kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache|httpd/' | 22:18 |
| @preaction | now that's just crazy | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | and it may not even work, I haven't tested it. | 22:29 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6547 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): replace the old, buggy label.t with the new, slow critic_labels.t. Add Perl::Critic and Test::Perl::Critic as optional requirements to sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 23:42 |
| Axthrower | whenever i try to use any admin function i get the error "WebGUI was unable to instantiate your style template." at the top of the page and nothing displays correctly. The content that I've created does display correctly though.. | 23:44 |
| @preaction | Axthrower, something went wrong with the Admin Console style. It should not have been possible to delete it, but that's probably what happened. | 23:51 |
| Axthrower | how would I go about restoring it? | 23:52 |
| @preaction | find a backup and get it from there? make a new site and get it from there? (meaning: export it as a package and import it back into your site) | 23:52 |
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| Axthrower | any ideas what files i should be looking for? | 00:03 |
| @preaction | root/import/AdminConsole probably. otherwise i don't know | 00:04 |
| Axthrower | k thanks | 00:04 |
| perlDreamer | Axthrower, Would you please add a page to the wiki with how you recovered it? | 00:49 |
| Axthrower | still working on it.. | 01:06 |
| Axthrower | all the files appear to be intact... | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | Hey, maybe we should make a package of the root import node so that people can easily recover mistakes. | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | it would need to be version specific | 01:07 |
| Axthrower | anyone know what template PBtmpl0000000000000137 is? | 01:10 |
| perlDreamer | that is a style template | 01:11 |
| Axthrower | ya.. which one | 01:11 |
| perlDreamer | that is the admin console style template | 01:13 |
| perlDreamer | select * from template as t join assetData as a on t.assetId = a.assetId and t.revisionDate=a.revisionDate where t.assetId='PBtmpl0000000000000137'; | 01:13 |
| Axthrower | ya thats what i was doing.. and get NOTHING | 01:14 |
| perlDreamer | well, that means that it's gone | 01:15 |
| perlDreamer | you need to reinstanciate it | 01:15 |
| perlDreamer | what version of wG are you using, exactly? | 01:15 |
| Axthrower | 7.4.39-stable | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | ah, that's fortunate | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | Try this. | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | Go to the demo site, demo.plainblack.com | 01:17 |
| Axthrower | it was working fine.. people were working with it etc.. than broke it somehow | 01:17 |
| Axthrower | i dunno what they did | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | someone deleted the style template | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | and then cleaned it out of the trash | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | at the demo site, create a demo site | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | log in as admin | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | go to the admin console | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | find the style template in the import node | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | set it to be a package | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | export that package and save a copy of it | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | in your site, import that package, and it will restore the style template | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | Axthrower, did you follow all that? | 01:19 |
| Axthrower | yup working on it.. | 01:19 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: Am I missing anything? | 01:19 |
| Axthrower | the assetId on the demo site for the admin console template is PBtmpl0000000000000001 | 01:21 |
| Axthrower | i DO have that template in the database with the same html etc... | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | bad news, they have the same Title | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | Admin Console | admin_console2 | PBtmpl0000000000000001 | AdminConsole | | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | | Admin Console | admin_console | PBtmpl0000000000000137 | style | | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | good news, using the namespace OR the URL, you can tell them apart | 01:23 |
| perlDreamer | I filed that as a bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/admin-console-templates-have-the-same-title#JmcWxembbTkZWVWd2Q4YPQ | 01:25 |
| Axthrower | ok so i found that 137 on the demo site.. how do i make it be a package? | 01:26 |
| perlDreamer | Edit the template, and select the Metadata tab | 01:27 |
| Axthrower | ah ok | 01:27 |
| Axthrower | yup that worked.. | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | the whole thing? cool! | 01:33 |
| Axthrower | the entire "style" folder was missing out of the import node | 01:34 |
| perlDreamer | If that's so, then repeat the procedure with the Style folder and make a package out of it. | 01:37 |
| Axthrower | thats what i did the first time.. | 01:38 |
| Axthrower | i assumed the worst =P | 01:38 |
| perlDreamer | good call | 01:38 |
| Axthrower | i wanted nothing todo with the webdev project.. so i setup the stuff gave full access to the developer.. | 01:39 |
| Axthrower | OBVIOUSLY a bad idea. | 01:39 |
| Axthrower | http://216.20.64.232/~rharhen/Style.pm.patch changes i made to style.pm to figure out what was missing.. if anyone is interested | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | Axthrower, please submit that as a bug with the patch | 01:46 |
| perlDreamer | I'm sure it will be accepted. | 01:46 |
| Axthrower | done.. | 01:53 |
| Axthrower | allright thanks for the help all | 01:53 |
| Axthrower | have a good night | 01:53 |
| perlDreamer | good night | 01:53 |
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| @apeiron | Wow, people actually *use* epic these days, instead of just make jokes about how people don't use it? | 02:03 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron, you see anything wrong with applying that patch? | 02:06 |
| @apeiron | Put some spaces aroudn the operators so it follows WGBP and then it'd be fine. | 02:07 |
| * apeiron *loathes* "string"."string" | 02:07 | |
| perlDreamer | what do you usually use instead? | 02:07 |
| @apeiron | operand operator operand | 02:07 |
| @apeiron | always | 02:07 |
| @apeiron | "string"."string" is trying to hide what's going on, IMO. | 02:08 |
| perlDreamer | I usually use join, or sprintf | 02:09 |
| perlDreamer | Well, my Perl::Critic policy does not obey scope | 02:13 |
| perlDreamer | I'll need to fix that | 02:13 |
| perlDreamer | I thought I'd already done that, and the skeletal code for supporting it is there, but the key pieces are not. | 02:14 |
| @apeiron | Scope? | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | say you have a module with two subs | 02:14 |
| @apeiron | Also, for the curious, the WGBP practice I'm mentioning is in chapter two, under "operators". | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | each sub makes an i18n object to its own i18n namespace | 02:15 |
| @apeiron | Right. | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | but the scanner checks the WHOLE file for i18n calls under namespace1, which is wrong | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | it should reset at the end of the sub, or enclosing scope | 02:15 |
| * apeiron nods. | 02:15 | |
| perlDreamer | That's why I said it was ignoring scope | 02:16 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 02:16 |
| perlDreamer | hm, there's a perlcritic channel over on irc.perl.org | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | maybe I should ask over there | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | 'cause I remember why I never finished that code | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | Perl::Critic would need to be reentrant | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | since I need to interrupt it's parsing | 02:22 |
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| @apeiron | Crap, it's Tavis. Everyone run! | 03:41 |
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| ToddB | Hello anyone there that can help with install question | 05:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | ToddB: Best thing to do is ask your question.. and wait... if someone can help they will - but due to everyone on different time zones it may not be immediate. | 06:51 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm working on reverting the cancel commit stuff now | 07:41 |
| perlDreamer | it's all done | 07:53 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6548 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (20 files in 7 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Added Operator base class and 2 Operator modules with tests | 11:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6549 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): web interface for importing and exporting products. Additional tests for the import/export API | 11:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6550 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): revert the patch that checked spectre and canceled the commit if it could not talk to it | 11:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6551 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (16 files in 7 dirs): WebGUI_flux: added Operand module, and two sample Operands, with tests | 11:29 |
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| BartJol | aaah need API | 15:24 |
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| BartJol | is there a method in the api to reload a page? searching in the pod takes a bit long if you don't know where to look | 16:07 |
| BartJol | call me lazy | 16:07 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:28 |
| SquOnk | Quick question. | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | While packaging for Debian, one of the issues is using the Debian packaged YUI instead of the WebGUI "piggy-backed" one... | 17:30 |
| SquOnk | ...I've set that up already, but need to know how to properly test if everything is working fine. | 17:31 |
| SquOnk | What elements of WebGUI require YUI? | 17:31 |
| ckotil | I think the admin console web interface | 17:32 |
| ckotil | I would stick with the WebGUI packaged YUI | 17:32 |
| ckotil | lots of elements in YUI are beta | 17:33 |
| ckotil | so who knows what has changed and will cause problems for webgui by using the debian packaged one | 17:33 |
| SquOnk | ckotil: The Debian packaged one is exactly the same as WebGUI's piggibacked one :-) | 17:33 |
| SquOnk | ckotil: I just want to make sure that the symlinks I've set in place are the right ones :-) | 17:34 |
| ckotil | ah | 17:35 |
| SquOnk | ckotil: Debian won't allow "wholesale software copying" so both YUI and TiniMCE2 must be linked to the ones already in Debian. | 17:36 |
| SquOnk | ckotil: The rest of the WebGUI included JS is copied verbatim. | 17:36 |
| SquOnk | Well, the left admin bar works fine. | 17:36 |
| SquOnk | Drag'n drop works fine too... | 17:37 |
| ckotil | nice | 17:37 |
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| perlDreamer | SquOnk, The Calendar and Gallery use a lot of YUI | 18:17 |
| perlDreamer | I'd recommend testing on those | 18:17 |
| perlDreamer | In 7.5.11 (not released yet), the EMS and the Shop admin functions use a lot of YUI. | 18:18 |
| perlDreamer | Also, Survey2 | 18:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks | 18:19 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Are there any tests for that in testCodebase? | 18:19 |
| perlDreamer | There are a few mech tests, but they wouldn't be testing Javascript, now, would they? :) | 18:19 |
| perlDreamer | for that you need Selenium or something similar | 18:20 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Just asking... | 18:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...since I've seen pretty interesting tests in there. | 18:21 |
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| wgGuest22 | Is there an easy way to just add a local file directory path as an asset to Webgui without uploading the files? | 19:24 |
| @preaction | the fileImport.pl script in WebGUI/sbin perhaps? | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | If you can live without the Assets, passThruUrls (in the config file) will let you serve static files through WebGUI | 19:26 |
| wgGuest22 | I'll need to look at that. I am trying to replace my regular apache server with WRE on CentOS5. One of the main uses I have for apache is to provide a network build path (YUM Repo) which uses automount to mount the ISO on demand. A static passthru sounds like the right approach. | 19:27 |
| perlDreamer | docs on passThruUrls are in the config file, also check the wiki and search the forums | 19:28 |
| wgGuest22 | Thanks! | 19:28 |
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| slickware | hey all. | 20:16 |
| slickware | when something is deleted from the asset manager, is there a way to completely Purge it so that you can later on upload another item with the same name and path? | 20:16 |
| perlDreamer | When something is deleted, it's put in the Trash. | 20:19 |
| perlDreamer | Once it's deleted from the Trash, it's gone forever. | 20:19 |
| * perlDreamer is afk | 20:19 | |
| slickware | ah | 20:22 |
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| slickware | haha it won't let me purge my entire trashcan because I have a folder in there | 20:39 |
| slickware | I had to delete the items one at a time, and the folder doesn't want to go away still | 20:39 |
| @preaction | that shouldn't be an issue, so there's probably an error in the error log | 20:44 |
| slickware | not too worried about it, i'm switching to agency hosting tomorrow so I don't ahve to deal with adminning my own damn server anymore | 20:45 |
| slickware | dealing with that is getting old, i'd rather just build the sites and be done with it! | 20:45 |
| @preaction | amen to that. let graham deal with it! | 20:45 |
| slickware | is there a way to make all titles hidden by default so users don't have to hide them every time they make a new article? | 20:50 |
| @preaction | not really. not without changing the code | 20:51 |
| @preaction | or you could change the template | 20:51 |
| @preaction | but then they'd have to pick your new template | 20:51 |
| @preaction | (do not change default templates, make a copy and change that) | 20:51 |
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| slickware | where would that setting be in a template? | 21:00 |
| slickware | I never use the defaults | 21:00 |
| ckotil | if you hide the titles at the parent level, the setting should be inherited. or edit the template. | 21:03 |
| @preaction | use the available help files to figure out what the template variable for the title is, and then remove it | 21:03 |
| ckotil | <tmpl_if displayTitle><h1><tmpl_var title></h1></tmpl_if> | 21:03 |
| slickware | i'm not sure what that means exactly, hide them at the parent level? | 21:04 |
| bopbop | slickware: a simple thing to do would be just to make a prototype of an article | 21:04 |
| bopbop | with the title hidden | 21:04 |
| ckotil | slickware: hide them at the top level , and the setting should be inherited | 21:05 |
| @preaction | yeah, but you might want displayTitle for the Page Layout | 21:08 |
| @preaction | i like bopbop's idea too, prototypes are good | 21:08 |
| slickware | I still don't know what you mean by top level. Hide them on the home page? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | he means hide them on the page Layout the articles are contained in | 21:12 |
| @preaction | if you set Display Title to No on the Layout, the Articles added to it will start with Display Title set to no | 21:12 |
| slickware | the only option on a page layout is whether or not to display the page title | 21:19 |
| slickware | which doesn't seem to assist when removing article titles | 21:19 |
| @preaction | so changing Display Title to No on the Layout doesn't automatically set Display Title to No when adding a new Article? | 21:23 |
| @preaction | Would it be evil to make an i18n message be either a string OR a subroutine that returned a string? | 21:25 |
| @preaction | we could clean up a lot of duplication that way | 21:26 |
| perlDreamer | preaction, we just need to clean up the namespaces | 21:26 |
| perlDreamer | it's going to take time | 21:26 |
| @preaction | we can't, there are sites deployed with the dirty stuff, relying on the dirty stuff. we need to maintain backwards compat somehow | 21:26 |
| @preaction | so being able to point the old i18n label to the new i18n label would solve that | 21:27 |
| perlDreamer | but at the user level it's all abstracted away, it's either code or a template var. | 21:30 |
| perlDreamer | I seriously doubt that any users are accessing i18n labels directly | 21:31 |
| perlDreamer | like by using ^International | 21:31 |
| @preaction | the International macro | 21:31 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, that's the only way for them to access stuff directly | 21:31 |
| @preaction | it's everywhere in the Gallery templates, and will be soon in the Calendar | 21:31 |
| perlDreamer | otherwise, it's either code or template vars | 21:31 |
| @preaction | also WebGUI::International::get() for field labels and such | 21:32 |
| perlDreamer | Most of those come from the WebGUI namespace | 21:32 |
| perlDreamer | In fact, ALL of them come from WebGUI or UserProfile | 21:32 |
| @preaction | but you can specify your own namespace if you want | 21:32 |
| perlDreamer | you _can_, but do you think people _are_? | 21:33 |
| @preaction | that's just it, i tend to think that if you can do something, that somebody is doing it | 21:33 |
| perlDreamer | I used to think that way too | 21:33 |
| perlDreamer | Now I think WebGUI has too much special interest code in it | 21:33 |
| @preaction | i don't think i18n is special interest, not in the way that say LDAP is special-interest | 21:34 |
| perlDreamer | No, I'm saying that 'special' use of i18n is a very rare activity | 21:34 |
| perlDreamer | and if we put shared items in WebGUI, it will work anyway :) | 21:34 |
| @preaction | are we talking inheritence? | 21:35 |
| perlDreamer | No, I'm talking about how the i18n works now | 21:35 |
| @preaction | no, i meant "shared items" | 21:35 |
| perlDreamer | It checks for user's language and namespace, then user's language and WebGUI, then english | 21:36 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, so am I | 21:36 |
| perlDreamer | if shared items are moved to the WebGUI namespace, they'll still work | 21:36 |
| @preaction | ahh | 21:36 |
| perlDreamer | wait a sec | 21:38 |
| perlDreamer | no they won't | 21:38 |
| perlDreamer | I'm confused with the English fallback | 21:39 |
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| perlDreamer | sorry, preaction | 21:41 |
| @preaction | np | 21:41 |
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| perlDreamer | It's ahrd to build inheritance with pure perl data structures | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | maybe we could just encode a few inheritance rules in ->get | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | and make it work the way I mistakenly thought it could | 21:48 |
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| perlDreamer | so everything fallsback to WebGUI | 21:49 |
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| perlDreamer | A wobject falls back to Wobject falls back to Asset falls back to WebGUI | 21:49 |
| perlDreamer | and so on | 21:49 |
| @preaction | right, but you'd have to set up these relationships somehow, with like @ISA (which might be evil) or a package-scoped lexical or something | 21:53 |
| @preaction | but yeah | 21:53 |
| @preaction | i like the idea of inheritence in the i18n tree | 21:53 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think the inheritance rules could do in the actual i18n files | 21:54 |
| @preaction | especially since that will fix the stupid problem i made with Photo / GalleryFile (the GalleryFile asset uses Photo i18n namespace because to change it would make about 4-8 hours of work for BartJol) | 21:55 |
| @preaction | no, it wouldn't be automatic, but we could use @ISA ourselves | 21:55 |
| @preaction | it'd just be perverting the meaning a bit | 21:55 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah, I'm thinking of something much less flexible but highly contained | 21:55 |
| @preaction | resolving the inheritence by guessing inside of WebGUI::International::get? | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | Yes. | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | The only advantage to that is that it's all in 1 place, and out of the i18n files | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | aside from that, I don't particularly like it | 21:58 |
| @preaction | i don't like the extra maintenance headache at all | 21:58 |
| perlDreamer | oh, and it does with with raw files of perl data which matches the current i18n system | 21:58 |
| perlDreamer | But if you push it out into the i18n files, you have to duplicate it across ALL the language packs | 21:59 |
| perlDreamer | that's not fun | 21:59 |
| @preaction | unless, if you don't find i18n/*/Namespace.pm::PARENT_NAMESPACE, you look in i18n/English/Namespace.pm::PARENT_NAMESPACE | 22:00 |
| @preaction | but that's hackery | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | I didn't follow that | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | that's the current English fallback that's hardcoded into ->get | 22:01 |
| @preaction | PARENT_NAMESPACE being the package-scoped variable that defines where to look after you can't find it in the current namespace | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | well, again, custom coding in the i18n files is a recipe for disaster. | 22:01 |
| @preaction | so first it checks Language/Namespace for the i18n key. doesn't find it. Checks Language/Namespace for a PARENT, doesn't find it. Checks English/Namespace for a PARENT. Finds it, checks Language/PARENT for the i18n key | 22:02 |
| @preaction | if it didn't find PARENT in English/Namespace, it would check for the i18n key, and if it didn't find it, then it would do whatever it does currently (fall back to WebGUI namespace or whatevz) | 22:03 |
| @preaction | so it's a recursive lookup, as long as the English namespaces have the inheritence set properly | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | that's a lot of evals per lookup | 22:04 |
| @preaction | i mean, we could also use an upgrade to add the inheritence stuff to existing languages on the system, but no matter what someting will fall through the cracks | 22:05 |
| @preaction | i'm pretty sure we could cache the results, making references to the real value from the original i18n lookup | 22:06 |
| @preaction | hell, we could probably do that now | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | I've tried caching, it's actually slower to do the lookup than it is to do the eval | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | of course, I did a symbol table lookup, maybe a separate cache would be faster. | 22:12 |
| perlDreamer | but that costs you 2X the i18n memory | 22:12 |
| @preaction | i was thinking putting the reference in the correct place in the symbol table, or hell even putting the string itself there | 22:15 |
| @preaction | so that way the next time you look it up, it's where you expected it to be | 22:15 |
| @preaction | or is that like what you did? | 22:15 |
| perlDreamer | I checked to see if the entry existed in the symbol table on each get, and it if didn't, then eval the namespace to bring it into existance. | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | You'd have to do a similar check, and then the install | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | it would probably be slower | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | but I've been wrong at least one other time today :) | 22:17 |
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| @preaction | eh, it's something we could try. speeding up i18n lookups by even a slight amount would be worth it | 22:17 |
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| @apeiron | 2A" | 22:25 |
| @apeiron | whoops. Cat says hi. | 22:25 |
| @preaction | CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED | 22:26 |
| Giant81 | obfiscated perl = cat code | 22:26 |
| @apeiron | CAT-LIKE PROGRAMMER DETECTED | 22:26 |
| Giant81 | looks like a cat lyed down on your keyboard | 22:27 |
| perlDreamer | talented cat that can hit a shift key :) | 22:28 |
| @apeiron | Shift-up arrow, actually. | 22:34 |
| perlDreamer | very smart cat; it tried to use command-line completion | 22:35 |
| Giant81 | ok freebsd is retarded | 22:37 |
| Giant81 | every 3rd package it says I need to swap disks | 22:37 |
| * Giant81 downloads the DVD for next time | 22:37 | |
| @apeiron | heh | 22:37 |
| @apeiron | You're not supposed to install packages when you install the system, don't you know that? | 22:38 |
| Giant81 | appearantly | 22:39 |
| Giant81 | its a virtual machine no less... so I haveh to go through like 3 menus to tell it to mount a different iso for the CDrom drive | 22:39 |
| * Giant81 deletes his bsd image and starts over | 22:39 | |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto: Are your customers happy, or are they grumbling about the server downtime? | 22:52 |
| @tavisto | I haven't heard much from people although I've fielded 2-3 questions about outages | 22:54 |
| @tavisto | most people are understanding.. especially when I send them the URL of the full story | 22:55 |
| @tavisto | I do have a couple people who want the e-commerce to be back on plainblack.com so they can buy stuff | 22:55 |
| @tavisto | with it being on the temp box the SSL is obviously out of commission | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | we like it when they buy stuff | 22:56 |
| @tavisto | um yeah | 22:57 |
| @apeiron | Buying stuff is good. | 22:57 |
| @tavisto | considering it's advertising cash | 22:57 |
| @tavisto | from cmsmatrix | 22:57 |
| @tavisto | free money for WebGUI Development | 22:57 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 22:57 |
| slickware | I was told yesterday that the SSL was back up | 22:58 |
| slickware | because I was going to buy the agency hosting yesterday | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | SVN is back up, so some part of the SSL must be back up | 22:59 |
| @tavisto | slickware did you buy the hosting? | 23:00 |
| slickware | oh hey, you must be Tavis | 23:00 |
| @tavisto | yep :) | 23:00 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto == Tavis | 23:01 |
| slickware | I didn't yet, I got an email from Jamie on tuesday saying it would be up on Wednesday | 23:01 |
| @tavisto | I am pretty sneaky with my name selection... but that name is actually from my Mii character on Wii | 23:01 |
| @tavisto | now everyone at PB calls me that | 23:01 |
| slickware | but by wednesday I had already started building my demo site on my crochety old server, so I will buy it this weekend once I have something to move | 23:01 |
| * perlDreamer still thinks it rhymes with Mephisto | 23:01 | |
| @tavisto | Tay-Vee-Sto | 23:02 |
| slickware | mine actually rhymes with "angina" | 23:02 |
| @tavisto | Alright slickware, that sounds great | 23:02 |
| slickware | yes... you have no idea how great it sounds... i'm tired of keeping this dog running for like 2 domains! | 23:03 |
| @tavisto | do you have the book yet? | 23:03 |
| slickware | I ordered the book on monday or tuesday | 23:03 |
| @tavisto | I used to play around with my server and run a couple sites.. but it's just not worth the time or hassle | 23:03 |
| slickware | but, I dug through the wiki and actually figured most of what I needed out | 23:03 |
| @tavisto | oh cool, that designers book will make your life so much easier | 23:03 |
| slickware | along with bothering preaction and perlDreamer for the last few days | 23:03 |
| @tavisto | yeah but they like it | 23:04 |
| slickware | I imagine so... they're here every day it seems | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | That's why they pay us the big bucks! | 23:05 |
| slickware | although, you should work on getting them to wake up earlier - I think they're on PST and i'm on EST, which means I don't get my questions resolved until almost noontime ;) | 23:05 |
| @tavisto | most of us chill in here although not usually in here | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | Well, one of us at least | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | And he's not even paid to hang out in here either | 23:05 |
| @tavisto | Doug is in Madison so he's cst with most of PB | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | Just why do we do this? | 23:05 |
| slickware | i'm paid to hang out in here... just not by PB | 23:06 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer is just a slacker and wakes up at 3pm everyday | 23:06 |
| * apeiron is a slacker who wakes up at 11 everyday | 23:06 | |
| slickware | i'm a slacker... it's 4pm my time and i'm heading home | 23:06 |
| @tavisto | and ape too | 23:06 |
| slickware | driving range and dinner... enjoy your afternoons! | 23:06 |
| @tavisto | take care, ttyl | 23:07 |
| slickware | thanks all | 23:07 |
| * slickware bounces | 23:07 | |
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| * perlDreamer loves testing | 23:10 | |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6552 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: Password recovery no longer allows disabled users to recover or log in | 23:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6553 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix: Password recovery no longer allows Deactivated users to recover passwords or log in | 23:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6554 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): tests for exporting, and some bug fixes in exportProducts | 23:24 |
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| lisette | I like to know if a user already answering a trivia and can not return to respond? by this database | 01:08 |
| lisette | this by databse | 01:08 |
| lisette | or in the template | 01:09 |
| lisette | of survey | 01:09 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6555 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (18 files in 9 dirs): WebGUI_flux: added Modifier modules (used to be called PostProcess) and two Modifiers (DateTimeFormat and DateTimeCompareToNow) with tests | 08:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.thosearentmuskets.com/sketches/internetparty2.html | 10:23 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6556 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (14 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: started adding Rule evaluation handling | 12:35 |
| BartJol | hee, SVN is up again? | 12:36 |
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| bopbop | haarg: where did webgui.org go? will it be down long? | 15:47 |
| BartJol | it is back | 15:48 |
| BartJol | it was down last week after the fire | 15:48 |
| bopbop | no, it's down now | 15:48 |
| bopbop | hust directs to pb.com | 15:49 |
| bopbop | just | 15:49 |
| BartJol | mmm, in europe I can see it | 15:49 |
| bopbop | really? | 15:49 |
| BartJol | yeah | 15:49 |
| bopbop | hmmm- I can't access | 15:49 |
| BartJol | strange | 15:49 |
| bopbop | yeah | 15:50 |
| bopbop | tried logging out and back in, tried in admin mode... nothing | 15:52 |
| BartJol | mmm it's not your connection, otherwise you couldn't be in this room | 15:52 |
| bopbop | right | 15:52 |
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| BartJol | logged out, logged in, works fine for me | 15:53 |
| BartJol | on webgui.org | 15:53 |
| BartJol | maybe Mr Tank knows | 15:53 |
| bopbop | very odd- yep, I'll ask him | 15:53 |
| bopbop | khenn: can you access webgui.org? | 15:53 |
| @khenn | yep | 15:54 |
| bopbop | grrrr | 15:54 |
| bopbop | any idea why I can't? | 15:54 |
| @khenn | internet down? | 15:54 |
| bopbop | no, or I wouldn't be here | 15:54 |
| bopbop | everything else works fine | 15:54 |
| @khenn | port 80 outgoing blocked? | 15:55 |
| bopbop | I can enter admin, sign in... | 15:55 |
| @khenn | proxy server? | 15:55 |
| bopbop | how do I check? | 15:55 |
| @khenn | would be on your firewall | 15:55 |
| BartJol | or proxy is tools->options | 15:55 |
| @khenn | actually | 15:55 |
| @khenn | webgui.org is redirecting me to plainblack.com | 15:55 |
| bopbop | yep | 15:56 |
| @khenn | so something is no right | 15:56 |
| bopbop | me too! | 15:56 |
| BartJol | network->settings | 15:56 |
| BartJol | but why doen'st that happen to me? | 15:56 |
| @khenn | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe | 15:56 |
| @khenn | can get there by going directly there | 15:56 |
| BartJol | otherwise it could be a rewrite rule that is not active | 15:57 |
| @khenn | looks like webgui.org is redirecting back to plainblack.com for some reason | 15:57 |
| @khenn | yeah | 15:57 |
| SDuensin | FRIDAY! | 15:58 |
| BartJol | yeah, almost vacation | 15:58 |
| BartJol | only 2 hours left | 15:59 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 15:59 |
| BartJol | I must admit that some url's are rewritten | 15:59 |
| BartJol | even in Europe | 16:00 |
| BartJol | but it works also with webgui.org | 16:00 |
| BartJol | but in the upper bar of my browser it says "Plain Black, makers of WebGUI" | 16:03 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:20 |
| SquOnk | extras/calendar is being used? | 17:20 |
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| steveo_aa | webgui.org not online? | 17:46 |
| BartJol | seems like it | 17:47 |
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| steveo_aa | plainblack.com too. | 17:51 |
| BartJol | isn't that the same webgui instance? | 17:52 |
| steveo_aa | Don't know, but a dev gateway is not reachable as well. | 17:52 |
| BartJol | we should bother Haarg with it | 17:55 |
| BartJol | probably he's already working on it | 17:56 |
| BartJol | Haarg? | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | erg | 17:58 |
| BartJol | working on the down webgui.org ? | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:58 |
| BartJol | well, then we won't disturb you any further | 17:59 |
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| @Haarg | should be back up now | 18:21 |
| BartJol | it is, you're great! | 18:23 |
| @Haarg | nothing i did; still don't know what the problem was | 18:24 |
| BartJol | you just have brought some of JT's fear aura into your servers again | 18:25 |
| BartJol | I'm following JT's example and will be on holidays next week, have a fun hacking time | 18:30 |
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| steveo_aa | When is dusk returning? | 18:34 |
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| slickware | hooray, agency hosting | 19:21 |
| @Haarg | dusk? it has been up since monday. you having a problem with it? | 19:36 |
| slickware | no, no, I just purchased it | 19:36 |
| slickware | I was hooraying it | 19:37 |
| @tavisto | sweet | 19:37 |
| @tavisto | so it let you purchase it | 19:37 |
| @tavisto | let the flood gates open and sales continue | 19:38 |
| bopbop | Haarg: why is webgui.org redirecting to pb.com's homepage? | 19:38 |
| slickware | it's not, for me | 19:40 |
| bopbop | it has been for me all day | 19:40 |
| slickware | flush your DNS | 19:40 |
| bopbop | still is- other pb staff members have had the problem too | 19:41 |
| bopbop | but for some reason bartjol didn't | 19:41 |
| slickware | ah... you're PB staff? then my guess is your PB internal dns is messed up | 19:41 |
| slickware | at least the rest of the world is ok :) | 19:41 |
| bopbop | well thank goodness for that :) | 19:42 |
| slickware | http://207.44.136.150/ | 19:42 |
| slickware | what happens if you hit it by IP | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | it was messed up earlier, but dns should be fixed now. i'll check again though. | 19:42 |
| bopbop | slickware: that works for me | 19:43 |
| slickware | then definitely it's your dns | 19:43 |
| slickware | either on your comp, or your router or whatnot | 19:43 |
| slickware | it will probably refresh itself soon | 19:44 |
| @Haarg | you can use http://www.plainblack.com/wg for now | 19:44 |
| bopbop | cool- thx | 19:45 |
| slickware | tavisto: who do I get in touch with now to go about setting up some domains? | 19:45 |
| @tavisto | you can post that right to the support board | 19:46 |
| slickware | assuming I don't have an account number or anything, posting under my username is sufficient? | 19:47 |
| slickware | and - PB forums? or WG forums? | 19:48 |
| bopbop | slickware: PB forums | 19:53 |
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| @tavisto | support board on plainblack.com | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | SquOnk: What do you mean by "used"? :) | 20:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What parts of webgui are actively using them. | 20:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In reverse: what would break if I remove it :-) | 20:18 |
| perlDreamer | is extras/calendar a URL in the system, or a path in the extras dir? | 20:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: A path in extras dir. | 20:19 |
| perlDreamer | You will break the ProjectManager, since it still uses the old JS calendar instead of the new YUI calendar. | 20:21 |
| perlDreamer | ack extras /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI | grep calendar | 20:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh | 20:21 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, the thing is since those JS libraries are third party, they cannot be inside Debian's webgui package. | 20:22 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'll be forced to package them _first_ an once they're (if) accepted, proceed with webgui :-/ | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: Option 2 is to convert the ProjectManager to use the YUI date picking tools. | 20:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Of course we can have "unofficial" Debian packages with all that stuff in... | 20:23 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...but I believe Option 2 would be better. | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | but for that one, we'd better submit a RFE and rizen and others think about it | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | A good start would be a dev list posting | 20:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And the same goes with a bunch of JS libraries there. I've already written rizen about that and other things. | 20:24 |
| perlDreamer | Has he said anything about how to handle it? | 20:24 |
| perlDreamer | (in the general sense)? | 20:24 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The bottom line is: any piece of JS code in there that's NOT copyright WebGUI/PlainBlack, must be packaged separately | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | ah, okay | 20:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Out-of-the-office response | 20:25 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, either a cleanup of unused libraries or "option 2" :-) | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: I'd recommend a posting to the dev list. That's probably the easiest and most direct way. | 20:27 |
| perlDreamer | Are you iterating over these 1 by 1, or do you have them all assessed at this point? | 20:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6557 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (8 files): A variety of template upgrades to calendar, donations, gallery, shelf, thingy and shopping cart | 20:28 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I wrote to rizen describin all of the issues that were obvious to me. | 20:30 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: (I'm not that familiar with WebGUI's codebase yet) | 20:30 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, ack | grep? Maybe you want to rethink that. :) | 20:37 |
| perlDreamer | ack | ack is to Bill the Cat | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | or do you mean ack 'extras.+?calendar' ? | 20:39 |
| @apeiron | I mean piping ack's output to grep is wee bit silly. | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | indeed. old habits die hard | 20:40 |
| @apeiron | SquOnk, rizen is on vacation until the ninth, so if you didn't get a response before the 28th or so, you won't get one until then at the very earliest. | 20:40 |
| @apeiron | Or you shouldn't count on getting one before then. | 20:41 |
| SquOnk | apeiron: Thanks. I wrote today. | 20:41 |
| @apeiron | SquOnk, I would suggest a devlist post as well. | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, the ProjectManager is khenn's baby, and he's not often in IRC | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | it may be like a 5-minute job to yank out the old calendar to replace it with the new | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | or not :( | 20:42 |
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| Meatbop | perlDreamer - you around? I hear you worked on Product | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | I'm here, Meatbop | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | I hope that long pause isn't you loading a shotgun :) | 20:44 |
| Meatbop | heh, no | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | just who wrote this buggy product export code, anyway?!! | 23:08 |
| * preaction_ slinks away stealthily | 23:10 | |
| perlDreamer | preaction should not feel bad for perlDreamer's buggy product code | 23:10 |
| perlDreamer | neither should preaction_ | 23:11 |
| @preaction_ | you sounded angry. anger has a way of getting redirected to the nearest available patsy | 23:11 |
| perlDreamer | preaction_ is not a patsy. Those slots are reserved for those who !grok('perl') | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | so I'll blame Mephisto | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | I mean Tavisto | 23:13 |
| @preaction_ | or CIA-6 | 23:14 |
| @preaction_ | he doesn't know perl | 23:14 |
| @preaction_ | CIA-6, botsnack? | 23:15 |
| @preaction_ | he doesn't even like treats! | 23:15 |
| diakopter | bad bot | 23:15 |
| perlDreamer | CIA-6 _is_ perl, yet he does not know. This is tragic | 23:15 |
| @preaction_ | perlbot botsnack | 23:15 |
| perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 23:15 |
| @preaction_ | how rude | 23:15 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, The CIA bots are in Perl? oO | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | Why would you write a bot in anything else? :) | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | but I'm slightly biased | 23:23 |
| @apeiron | http://code.google.com/p/cia-vc/source/browse # unfortunately, they disagree | 23:24 |
| @apeiron | There's Python, Erlang (oO) and C, but no Perl that I can find. | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | what is this oO thing you keep using, apeiron? | 23:32 |
| @apeiron | It's an emoticon that represents an arched eyebrow, at least when I use it. | 23:32 |
| perlDreamer | to me, it looks like part of the acronym for openOffice. But I'll keep the eyebrow thing in mind. | 23:33 |
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| SquOnk | Erlang is great for distributed systems. | 23:53 |
| perlDreamer | where does the WRE keep webgui site logs? | 23:53 |
| @preaction_ | in /data/domains/*/logs | 23:54 |
| slickware | it could be someone suffering from a Hydrocele | 23:54 |
| slickware | (oO) | 23:54 |
| slickware | heh. today we learned a new word! | 23:55 |
| SquOnk | ../t/AdSpace/Ad.................................ok 1/43Usage: UNIVERSAL::isa(reference, kind) at /usr/share/perl5/UNIVERSAL/isa.pm line 65. | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | ../t/AdSpace/Ad.................................dubious | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | Test returned status 0 (wstat 11, 0xb) | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | DIED. FAILED tests 4-43 | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | Failed 40/43 tests, 6.98% okay | 23:59 |
| SquOnk | ... | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Sat Jun 07 2008 | ||
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: Are you fully up to date, or is this 7.5.10? | 00:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.5.10 | 00:01 |
| SquOnk | Getting back to the JS stuff we were talking about before. | 00:01 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, I'd expect those, and they're "real" in that the tests are out of date from the code. | 00:01 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok, not to worry | 00:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Wait, that's 7.4.39! | 00:03 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: But don't mind me. | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | I'm not a subscriber of the developers mailing-list. Do I need to subscribe in order to post? | 00:04 |
| @preaction_ | no. you might need an account on webgui.org though | 00:14 |
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| SquOnk | All right, just posted to Webgui Dev. | 00:32 |
| SquOnk | How long does it take to show in the forum? | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | it's rev 6558, and I tested it manually | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: It's there now | 00:34 |
| SquOnk | Excellent. It's a little long, but that's just how I write :-) | 00:34 |
| SquOnk | It's pretty much what I wrote to JT this morning | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: I added the blurb about the ProjectManager from this morning. | 00:38 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok. As you've probably figured out, the best thing is to remove anything not being used :-) | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | You could package wG without the ProjectManager. There's no easy upgrade path to get it, though. | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | I'd rather see it changed to use YUI instead. | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | but that's my opinion | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | coolmenus is used by some default Navigation templates | 00:39 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, we want to get rid of it though | 00:41 |
| @preaction_ | and those | 00:41 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6558 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): provide a template var that will tell the user when there are no available variants for sale. Out of stock | 00:41 |
| @preaction_ | the www/extras/slider should be replaced with the yui slider control probably | 00:42 |
| SquOnk | Well, hopefully the webgui community will decide what is best. | 00:44 |
| SquOnk | Remove what needs to be removed, replace what needs to be replaced and defer what needs to be deferred. | 00:44 |
| perlDreamer | And we know the status of the debian package, too. | 00:44 |
| SquOnk | As I mention in the post YUI an TinyMCE2 _are_ in Debian, so it will just be a couple of symlinks. | 00:44 |
| SquOnk | ...and the YUI symlink is working fine. | 00:44 |
| perlDreamer | I found another place where the extras/calendar is used, and I updated the thread with it | 00:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian will have 7.5.X. I have specially crafted 7.4.39 packages for Debian Etch. | 00:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: (Those are the packages my customers are using now) | 00:45 |
| perlDreamer | they meet the license restrictions? | 00:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No :-) | 00:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: They are installed from my repositories. | 00:46 |
| perlDreamer | ah, okay | 00:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: By "specially crafted" I mean I had to replace some other Debian packages... | 00:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...since Etch has older versions of HTML::Template, Test::Deep... | 00:47 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: A nice thing that the Debian package has is the ability to upgrade itself. | 00:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I just cd into my webgui source package and do 'uscan'... | 00:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...it checks whether or not there's a new release of webgui in plainblack.org... | 00:49 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...and downloads it, renaming it to the appropiate .tar.gz as required by Debian | 00:50 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...then I do uupgrade ../webgui*tar.gz | 00:50 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: It unpacks, applies my "debianizing patches" to it and sets a new changelog entry for the upgrade | 00:50 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Then I just dpkg-buildpackage :-) | 00:51 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, hopefully some stuff will get deleted in 7.5.11 and when I upgrade it will all be ok... | 00:52 |
| perlDreamer | that's what it sounds like, but we're hard pressed to make 7.5.11 with the current requirements | 00:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know | 00:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: In fact, I'm trying myself to add the POD documentation to the Perl scripts :-) | 00:54 |
| SquOnk | Speaking of that, I'll refresh my SVN copy | 00:55 |
| SquOnk | I'm supposed to have commit privileges | 00:57 |
| SquOnk | 6559 is the current version, right? | 01:00 |
| @preaction_ | yes | 01:03 |
| SquOnk | All right, here come the PODs :-) | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | I've written a proper POD document for each sbin/*.pl | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | And it uses POD::Usage so you can: | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | perldoc blah.pl | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | (you get a full manpage) | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | blah.pl --help | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | (you get a full manpage) | 01:06 |
| SquOnk | blah.pl --wrong stuff --or incomplete | 01:07 |
| SquOnk | (you get a summary) | 01:07 |
| SquOnk | This will be my first commit to WebGUI :-) | 01:07 |
| SquOnk | There you go. | 01:10 |
| SquOnk | Anyone care to try it? | 01:10 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6559 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-carousel: Removed yui-carousel since it is not being used | 01:11 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6560 /WebGUI/sbin/ (15 files): Added proper POD documentation to utility scripts using POD::Usage. | 01:11 |
| SquOnk | All right. That's it for today. | 01:12 |
| SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow (with hopefully more unused stuff deletions ;-) | 01:13 |
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| perlDreame1 | stupid incompetent $dayJob! Can't even keep the bits flowing | 01:14 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6561 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Removed a hardcoded pathname in the POD that makes sense only | 01:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: for the Debian package. Sorry! | 01:33 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6562 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/default_product.wgpkg: Total reworking of the layout for Product template | 01:55 |
| perlDreame1 | and it looks much better, too | 01:56 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6563 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): add more export products tests, along with several bug fixes | 02:20 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6564 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix: Gallery search now limits by classname correctly | 02:48 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6565 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added a flag to distinguish between albums and files | 02:48 |
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| perlDreamer | I need some HTML formatting advice for the Product | 06:33 |
| perlDreamer | The user gets shown a list of variants in a dropdown | 06:33 |
| perlDreamer | each entry in the dropdown contains the short description followed by the price | 06:34 |
| perlDreamer | since the prices and descriptions are different widths, it looks sloppy | 06:34 |
| perlDreamer | using sprintf doesn't do much to help (%s makes spaces, not nbsp's) | 06:34 |
| diakopter | perlDreamer: you could put the short descriptions and prices on different lines, and mark the price lines as "headings" (or whatever it's called), so they're not selectable. | 06:39 |
| perlDreamer | different lines in the dropdown? | 06:40 |
| diakopter | yeah | 06:40 |
| perlDreamer | I'm using a Form control to build the dropdown, which means I'd need to modify that as well. | 06:43 |
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| perlDreamer |  's seem to work | 06:45 |
| perlDreamer | of course, trying to align text with a proportional font is sheer lunacy | 06:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6566 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: tidy up a bit and add a price to the variant dropdown | 08:08 |
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| wgGuest09 | Hello | 15:57 |
| wgGuest09 | nwb from holand | 15:57 |
| wgGuest09 | i de like to setup ecommerce using paypal as payement method is this possible | 15:59 |
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| wgGuest09 | hi does someone have a clue if there is a paypal plugin yet | 16:07 |
| wgGuest09 | do u know may where i can look? | 16:11 |
| wgGuest09 | obviously no one is here | 16:13 |
| wgGuest09 | bye all | 16:13 |
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| perlDreamer | anyone remember which record Andy Dufresne played over the prison PA system? | 00:11 |
| @apeiron | Wikipedia says "Sull'aria Che soave zeffiretto" | 00:12 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, apeiron! | 00:14 |
| @apeiron | It's in the article on the movie. | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | I need more testing collateral | 00:16 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: Have you heard that Phoenix's screens are clogged? | 00:18 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, gack, no es bueno. | 00:18 |
| perlDreamer | they say the problem is that the soil's too clumpy | 00:18 |
| @apeiron | hrm. The question then becomes how it got that way. | 00:19 |
| perlDreamer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080607/sc_space/martiansoilsampleclogsphoenixprobesoven;_ylt=Av2OMmeM1LB3dix5GaDWumGs0NUE | 00:19 |
| perlDreamer | I'm hoping it didn't have something to do with the landing rockets :/ | 00:19 |
| @apeiron | le sigh | 00:20 |
| @apeiron | I'm by no stretch a geologist (or exogeologist (xenogeologist?) for that matter). Am quite curious about how the soil is clumpy. | 00:20 |
| perlDreamer | organic matter? :) | 00:22 |
| perlDreamer | oil leak from the landing struts? | 00:22 |
| @apeiron | Or some other kind of liquid from the lander. | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | mmm, lander liquid | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | sounds like the coffee from last year's WUC | 00:23 |
| @apeiron | heh, yeah. | 00:24 |
| @apeiron | Did you see the telecon yesterday? | 00:25 |
| @apeiron | Well, yesterday's telecon, as you can download it. | 00:25 |
| perlDreamer | No, I haven't yet. | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | Where is it downloadable from? | 00:26 |
| @apeiron | Oh, no, wait, it can't have been yesterday, sorry. | 00:26 |
| @apeiron | Sorry, 't was Wednesday. | 00:27 |
| @apeiron | As for the video, I'm not sure where it is on their site. I managed to save most of it to disk and will let you download it directly from me if I can't fin dit. | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | cool, thanks! | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | I think I'm averaging about 1 bug per line of code on the Product importer/exporter. | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | I'm thinking that's too high. | 00:34 |
| @apeiron | eep | 00:34 |
| @apeiron | More tests! | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | indeed | 00:34 |
| @apeiron | For the video, do you have the ability to view QuickTime movies? | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | No | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | I've been procrastinating fixing the multimedia on my laptop 'til I upgrade to FC9 | 00:38 |
| @apeiron | doh. In the meantime, you can listen to audio telecons. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/multimedia/audiobriefing-20080606.html and the archive at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/multimedia/media-audio_archive_1.html | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | thanks | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | argh! | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | and there's another good one for the wG Programming Mistakes talk | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | see if you can figure this one out: my %productCollateral = @productRow{ @collateralFields }; | 00:52 |
| @apeiron | er. you're getting a list of values, not a hash. :) | 00:54 |
| @apeiron | (though of course it'll be *interpreted* as a hash and will continue silently) | 00:55 |
| @apeiron | (... unless it's uneven) | 00:55 |
| perlDreamer | yup, that's right | 00:56 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6567 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): add tests for upgrading existing products, with bug fixes | 01:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6568 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add missing collateral from previous commit, add more tests for import | 01:37 |
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| wgGuest11 | Hello how are you | 14:36 |
| wgGuest11 | can u help i seem not ot find answer on faqs | 14:38 |
| wgGuest11 | am nwb how can i make a table of clickable images | 14:39 |
| wgGuest11 | sorry to disturb can someone help | 14:43 |
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| wgGuest18 | hello | 14:51 |
| wgGuest18 | nwb need help | 14:54 |
| wgGuest18 | hello apeiron | 15:08 |
| wgGuest18 | can u help | 15:08 |
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| wgGuest14 | hi | 17:25 |
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| pilaf153 | Is release 7.5.11 still on track to be out this week? | 17:31 |
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| wgGuest14 | hi | 18:44 |
| wgGuest14 | how table of images | 18:44 |
| wgGuest14 | hi | 19:03 |
| wgGuest14 | my webgui site crashed is there a known bug for 7-4-35 | 19:04 |
| wgGuest14 | happenned while was editing a page in middle of a copy and paste action | 19:05 |
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| wgGuest29 | hi | 19:53 |
| wgGuest29 | i have a question | 19:53 |
| wgGuest29 | how do u buiild a page with a table of clickable images\ | 19:54 |
| wgGuest29 | someoe plz help | 19:54 |
| wgGuest29 | is it possible? | 19:56 |
| wgGuest29 | where do i look? | 19:56 |
| wgGuest29 | ? | 19:57 |
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| nuba | its impressive how many times, and for how long, he keeps getting here to ask something that looks like its not a webgui question | 20:50 |
| @apeiron | I would answer but I'm teh fail at markup. | 20:50 |
| nuba | if only he would stay around so that he could be properly hinted at the right direction | 20:50 |
| @apeiron | And I imagine many people here are the same way. | 20:50 |
| @apeiron | (i.e., perl coders, not designers) | 20:51 |
| nuba | by the gist of it, seems like he wants something fireworks-ish | 20:52 |
| nuba | last time i did that kind of stuff, fireworks was still macromedia's | 20:52 |
| nuba | most people i know moved away from sliced image menus | 20:54 |
| @apeiron | hm. Would an imagemap suffice? | 20:54 |
| nuba | usually brings bad usability, bad for searchbots, worst than smart css, bad mojo in general | 20:54 |
| nuba | and image menus are a PITA to mantain, if built with photoshop | 20:55 |
| nuba | add a new section to our website, and you need to work on the image again. Wheres the font? Wheres the psd file? what was the mouseover color again? and so on | 20:56 |
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| wgGuest63 | hi | 00:59 |
| wgGuest63 | does someone knows how to show a table of clickable images | 01:00 |
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| wgGuest24 | hi | 01:05 |
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| wgGuest24 | howto make a table of images | 01:05 |
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| wgGuest26 | hello | 06:08 |
| wgGuest26 | good day to you | 06:08 |
| wgGuest26 | plz can u help me find a solution to my pb | 06:09 |
| wgGuest26 | is someone there??? | 06:09 |
| wgGuest26 | is this thing working? | 06:10 |
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| wgGuest26 | hi | 06:18 |
| wgGuest26 | someone | 06:18 |
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| wgGuest26 | hi | 06:22 |
| wgGuest26 | steveo | 06:22 |
| wgGuest26 | am from holland am nwb | 06:23 |
| wgGuest26 | hi | 06:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | hi wgGuest26 | 06:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | What's your problem.. I can't guarantee I can help, but I'm a good listener ;) | 06:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | You'll generally find the best way to get help on here is to ask, then be really patient and wait.. a lot of people idle on here and won't see your question straight away. Also helps to ask when most of the US people are awake too ;) | 06:31 |
| wgGuest26 | thanks radix | 06:32 |
| wgGuest26 | my question is want to include a table with clickable images | 06:33 |
| wgGuest26 | like icons | 06:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | Shouldn't be a big issue - what's the problem exactly? | 06:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | that kind of thing is done purely in html | 06:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | or html + a bit of css if you do it right | 06:35 |
| +Radix-wrk | It's probably not the kind of thing you could do easily with the inbuilt html editor - but it's possible. | 06:36 |
| wgGuest26 | ok | 06:36 |
| wgGuest26 | did u see something like that somewhere | 06:37 |
| wgGuest26 | what is your advice | 06:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | You may find it easier to design something like that using a full html editor and then pasting the html code into an article or snippet. | 06:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's not going to be anything in webgui to help you do that kind of thing - that's purely a html problem. | 06:39 |
| wgGuest26 | am new dont have a clue of webgui | 06:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sounds like all you need to do is add a table, then click in each cell in the table and add the image you want | 06:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | then add a link to each one of the images | 06:40 |
| wgGuest26 | thought i can do that in webgui that s all | 06:41 |
| wgGuest26 | am using firefox difficult to paste | 06:42 |
| wgGuest26 | so i need first to change editor in settings somewhre | 06:43 |
| wgGuest26 | than it is obvious | 06:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can paste in firefox, just don't use right click to paste | 06:43 |
| +Radix-wrk | use Ctrl+V | 06:43 |
| wgGuest26 | i dunno | 06:43 |
| wgGuest26 | i added a user.js to modify the behavior but works only once then stops | 06:44 |
| wgGuest26 | i tried ctrlV | 06:44 |
| wgGuest26 | mean i will try | 06:44 |
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| wgGuest26 | working for text but not for images | 06:51 |
| wgGuest26 | as am on ubuntu | 06:52 |
| wgGuest26 | i guess i have to go to a good html editor | 06:52 |
| wgGuest26 | thanks for your help radix | 06:52 |
| wgGuest26 | bye all | 06:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6569 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (7 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Flux now groks Combined Expressions | 07:15 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6570 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (11 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Rules can now be dependent on other rules (with cache-optimisations and infinite loop checks) | 12:16 |
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| SDuensin | Morning! | 15:53 |
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| dionak | morning! | 16:55 |
| diakopter | morning? | 16:55 |
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| dionak | well, it is here.. | 16:59 |
| dionak | evening for you? | 16:59 |
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| juan | i have a strange problem | 17:42 |
| juan | in one of my sites an asset disappear and i can not find it | 17:43 |
| juan | in assets i am looking for it in the path it was located but it is not there | 17:44 |
| juan | in trash isn't too | 17:44 |
| juan | so, i don't know what is my asset | 17:45 |
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| juan | how can i find it? | 17:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6571 /WebGUI/sbin/ (16 files): | 18:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Used B<> instead of C<> when highlighting options and parameters in | 18:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: POD documentation. Not only do they look nicer emboldened, but it's | 18:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: also what's suggested in perlpod. | 18:00 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 18:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6572 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added a POD template and pod2usage sample invocation to _utility.skeleton. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6573 /WebGUI/sbin/ (3 files): Added missing copyright notice to utility scripts. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6574 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added sample copyright notice to skeleton utility script. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6575 /WebGUI/sbin/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make sure $webguiRoot is setup consistently in all utility scripts. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Some scripts had a hardcoded use lib "../lib" and "../.." on | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Session/Config method calls. This was changed to a BEGIN prologue | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: where @INC gets $webguiRoot added, and the method calls use | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: $webguiRoot instead. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: This eases the creation of patches for filesystem reorganization of | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6576 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added $webguiRoot and BEGIN preamble to utility skeleton. | 18:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6577 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) | 18:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make sure $webguiRoot is setup consistently in all upgrade scripts. | 18:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: All the scripts had a hardcoded use lib "../../lib" and "../.." | 18:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: on Session method calls. This was changed to a BEGIN prologue | 18:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: where @INC gets $webguiRoot added, and the method calls use | 18:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: $webguiRoot instead. | 18:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: This eases the creation of patches for filesystem reorganization | 18:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6578 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (12 files): | 18:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Upgrade scripts have webguiRoot two directories behind. | 18:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Changed ".." for "../.." in the BEGIN preamble. | 18:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6579 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: Added $webguiRoot and BEGIN preamble to upgrade skeleton. | 18:53 |
| lisett1 | i have a macro that add a collaboration system, i do this with $asset->addChild, i need enable the rss, and i have rssCapableRssEnabled =>1, but this don't work, then i edit this by the browser, without making changes, I click over there and save if it works, I can miss in the macro? | 18:56 |
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| lisett1 | ? | 19:19 |
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| lisett1 | i have a macro that add a collaboration system, i do this with $asset->addChild, i need enable the rss, and i have rssCapableRssEnabled =>1, but this don't work, then i edit this by the browser, without making changes, I click over there and save if it works, I can miss in the macro? | 19:32 |
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| dionak | when you addchild with your macro is rssCapableRssEnabled set to 1 in the db? | 19:45 |
| dionak | that would be the first thing i would check | 19:45 |
| lisett1 | the addchild doesn't save inmediately in the db? | 19:47 |
| lisett1 | the rss is not stored in the table collaboration | 19:56 |
| juan | i have a page layout and inside it i have many assets that can only view by the registered users | 20:14 |
| juan | i want to change it the permission to everyone | 20:15 |
| juan | can i change it recursively? | 20:15 |
| juan | or have to edit every asset? | 20:15 |
| topsub | is it possible to do a one to many with thingy? I see how to do one to one with thingy but not one to many. | 20:22 |
| bopbop | juan: you should be able to do it through edit branch, but it will affect any page layouts under that page as well | 20:22 |
| bopbop | so be careful- don't use it if you have subpages under that page layout | 20:22 |
| juan | ok | 20:24 |
| juan | thanks | 20:27 |
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| nuba | this is interesting, theres a bunch of languages like python, php, ruby, ml, etc for which MS is adding support in .NET | 22:03 |
| nuba | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DotNET | 22:03 |
| nuba | perl is missing there, tho | 22:03 |
| xdanger | I think when they get perl6 out, someone will do a interpeter that'll run in .NET | 22:13 |
| perlDreamer | I think when they get parrot out, it will supplant .NET | 22:13 |
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| nuba | when they get parrout out.. yeah.. | 22:22 |
| perlDreamer | well, I can hope, anyway :) | 22:22 |
| ckotil | iphone 3g!! | 22:22 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6580 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items_my-purchases-detail-default.wgpkg: Redid the layout for the My Purchases & Details display | 22:22 |
| @apeiron | You're kidding, they're not letting you buy them online? oO | 22:23 |
| juan | i have a strange error with one of my sites. the error is with spectre and is the next: | 22:39 |
| juan | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[948] - CRON: Response for job www.telecinco.com.co.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML> | 22:39 |
| juan | <HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD> | 22:39 |
| juan | <BODY> | 22:39 |
| juan | <H1>An Error Occurred</H1> | 22:39 |
| juan | 500 Internal Server Error | 22:39 |
| juan | </BODY> | 22:39 |
| juan | </HTML> | 22:39 |
| @preaction | juan, do not paste here. use a pastebin | 22:39 |
| juan | ok | 22:39 |
| juan | excuseme | 22:39 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com | 22:39 |
| juan | yes, i know | 22:39 |
| @preaction | also, that error usually means that spectre couldn't communicate with webgui | 22:40 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a9b0b9b | 22:40 |
| juan | i executed perl spectre.pl --test | 22:41 |
| juan | and all is ok | 22:41 |
| @preaction | it could've been a temporary hiccup | 22:41 |
| juan | and the problem is with all the sites | 22:42 |
| juan | by the moment all seems be ok | 22:42 |
| perlDreamer | they all share one WebGUI code and 1 spectre | 22:42 |
| juan | but then many errors like this start to appear in the webgui.log | 22:42 |
| perlDreamer | hold that paste :) | 22:42 |
| perlDreamer | use a pastebin | 22:43 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m604dfad | 22:43 |
| perlDreamer | prection has a quick trigger finger | 22:43 |
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| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m113111 | 22:45 |
| juan | more erros | 22:45 |
| juan | more errors | 22:45 |
| juan | the errors appear by moments | 22:46 |
| juan | do you know, what is happening? | 22:50 |
| juan | preaction, do you know what is happening with these errors? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | i gave you my best guess already | 22:57 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added a thumbnail for the photo edit screen | 23:27 |
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| juan | perlDreamer, i was upgrading to the latest version of webgui and now i have a strange problem in one of my sites. i have mi site in spanish and with visitor many words with accents have strange symbols, but when i registered as admin users the words appear ok | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | jua1, what's the URL for the site? | 00:01 |
| juan | http://www.viajesveracruz.com/home/conoce-mas-de-viajes-veracruz | 00:04 |
| perlDreamer | and it looks fine as admin? | 00:05 |
| perlDreamer | how about other users? | 00:05 |
| perlDreamer | I guess what I'm asking is if it's only Visitor | 00:05 |
| juan | yes | 00:06 |
| perlDreamer | Have you checked the profile for Visitor, to make sure his language is still Spanish? | 00:06 |
| juan | visitor has spanish as a default language | 00:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added a thumbnail for the photo edit screen | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | which version did you start at, and which version did you upgrade to? | 00:07 |
| juan | I was in 7.4.32 and now i am in 7.4.39 | 00:08 |
| perlDreamer | did you read the gotchas.txt file in the docs directory to look for problems? | 00:09 |
| juan | with another user the words appear ok | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | well, this is what I would do. | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | This certainly looks like a bug. | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | but first, read through the changelog and the gotchas files in the docs directory | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/docs | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | if you don't see anything in there, then file it as a bug. | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | be sure to put URLs to the affected site | 00:10 |
| juan | i don't see anything there | 00:12 |
| juan | but i have some sites in the same server and only this site has this problem | 00:12 |
| juan | the other sites are ok | 00:12 |
| perlDreamer | Do the other sites have similar content? | 00:13 |
| juan | yes | 00:14 |
| perlDreamer | I would still file this as a bug, but first I would do this | 00:14 |
| perlDreamer | Make a package out of the affected page | 00:14 |
| perlDreamer | and save it | 00:14 |
| perlDreamer | You can probably fix the problem by editing the asset, deleting the bad title and entering it in again. | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | attach the package to the bug | 00:15 |
| juan | http://www.supernotariado.gov.co | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | oh, and take a few screen shots as well | 00:15 |
| perlDreamer | that site looks okay to me | 00:16 |
| juan | yes | 00:16 |
| juan | if i edit the asset, the problem is fixed. | 00:22 |
| juan | thanks | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | you're welcome | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | :w | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | juan, I don't know if it was just a hiccup, or a larger problem. Please do file that as a bug. | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | You might be making life easier for a lot of other i18n WebGUI users | 00:31 |
| juan | ok | 01:01 |
| juan | perlDreamer, I want to view more specifics errors about spectre, can i do that? | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | not without adding in the error messages yourself | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | I saw your earlier posts about pbcron00000000000004 | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | there is some action in that workflow that is having problems | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know which one | 01:04 |
| juan | because the problem continous and the this process is consuming a lot of memory in the server and high cpu | 01:05 |
| juan | but the problem is with differents workflows | 01:08 |
| juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5519b885 | 01:08 |
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| juan | if i check in my server. there are several process running of spectre | 01:15 |
| juan | i kill all of them and start the spectre again | 01:15 |
| juan | at this point the error that i showed you before disappear | 01:16 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6582 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added ability to configure number of files per page in the galleryalbum | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6583 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Convert WebGUI::Shop::Products over to be object oriented. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update the tests and Content plugin for the Shop. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add the Products screen to the Shop admin screen. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add exception handling to www_import. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a status message to the manage products screen. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6584 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce2: not needed | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6585 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm: | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Handle autocommit of products from the settings. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Tweak an error message. Showing the file isn't that useful. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6586 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Shop/Products.pm i18n/English/Shop.pm): Add a convenience link to the Asset Manager on the Import Product node. | 01:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6587 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (4 files): rename the PayDriver plugin i18n files | 01:38 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 02:06 |
| perlDreamer | Hi, SquOnk | 02:06 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Looks like everything I complained about it's just about to go :-) | 02:07 |
| perlDreamer | excellent! | 02:07 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Did you see the patches I commited today (POD for the sbin scripts and some cleanup of webguiRoot finding) | 02:08 |
| perlDreamer | I saw the POD, but didn't see the webguiRoot finding stuff. Is that in the sbin scripts? | 02:08 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah... some of the scripts had hardcoded ".." and "../lib" paths here and ther. | 02:10 |
| perlDreamer | that's no good | 02:10 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: What I did was add a $webguiRoot variable, set that variable to whatever path is needed, place that in a BEGIN block so it gets unshifted into @INC. | 02:10 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And removed the hardcoded references by $webguiRoot. | 02:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That way, it's easier to patch the code to change $webguiRoot | 02:11 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And I added the code both to the _utility.skeleton and _upgrade.skeleton :-) | 02:11 |
| perlDreamer | good | 02:12 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, now every sbin and upgrade script has a consistent usage of webguiRoot, and hopefully the future ones will too. | 02:13 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: There were a couple of missing copyright notices too. | 02:13 |
| SquOnk | Where should I file the bugs? | 02:24 |
| SquOnk | JT asked me to file a bug for each complaint... | 02:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6588 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Admin.pm: fix the shop admin screen icon | 02:33 |
| @apeiron | SquOnk, http://www.webgui.org/bugs , it's the "file a bug" link on the left side. | 02:36 |
| @apeiron | SquOnk, You'll need to create an account and be logged in to file bugs. | 02:36 |
| SquOnk | apeiron: Already there, thanks :-) | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: bugs is http://www.webgui.org/bugs | 02:36 |
| perlbot | I already have an entry for bugs | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: bugs | 02:36 |
| perlbot | http://tinyurl.com/glbun | 02:36 |
| @apeiron | heh | 02:36 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, webgui bugs is http://www.webgui.org/bugs | 02:36 |
| perlbot | added webgui bugs to the database | 02:36 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Best to namespace general things like that, as perlbot is in more channels than just #webgui. :) | 02:37 |
| @apeiron | That way you're not overwriting #perl's 'bugs' factoid and they're not overwriting ##c's null factoid, etc. | 02:37 |
| perlDreamer | perlbug webgui_bugs is http://www.webugi.org/bugs | 02:37 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_bugs is http://www.webugi.org/bugs | 02:38 |
| perlbot | added webgui_bugs to the database | 02:38 |
| perlDreamer | perlbut: webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:38 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:38 |
| perlDreamer | great, now he's not talking to me anymore | 02:38 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, hi | 02:39 |
| perlbot | hi apeiron | 02:39 |
| @apeiron | perlbot, webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:39 |
| perlbot | added webgui_rfes to the database | 02:39 |
| @apeiron | hrm | 02:39 |
| perlDreamer | see, I'm a jilted developer | 02:42 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_rfes | 02:42 |
| perlbot | http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:42 |
| @apeiron | It may have rate limited you. | 02:48 |
| @apeiron | That's my best guess. | 02:48 |
| * perlDreamer is a bot cracker | 02:48 | |
| @apeiron | xdanger, You hear that? | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6589 /WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql: switch sunset to kalamazoo | 02:53 |
| xdanger | I'm not a bot =) I just idle alot =) | 03:01 |
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| pilaf153 | ok I found a webgui commerce primer to purchase for 7.4 but I am using 7.5 does the primer still work for this version | 03:18 |
| perlDreamer | it will until 7.5.11 | 03:18 |
| perlDreamer | after that, no guarantees :) | 03:19 |
| pilaf153 | is 7.5.11 going to be much easier to use | 03:20 |
| pilaf153 | commerce wise | 03:20 |
| pilaf153 | The macros have got me completly confused because I have been working on trying to implement them for a while but gave up for a week or two thinking 7.5.11 wont deal with them but now I am to the point where I can see if it does not get any more user friendly I will need to purchase something to help me | 03:22 |
| perlDreamer | it's a very different concept. | 03:23 |
| perlDreamer | products and now really assets | 03:23 |
| pilaf153 | ah | 03:24 |
| perlDreamer | and you only need a macro to help you with the cart | 03:24 |
| pilaf153 | that will help | 03:24 |
| perlDreamer | the commerce management is completely redone, and much simpler | 03:24 |
| perlDreamer | the user experience is nicer | 03:24 |
| pilaf153 | cool | 03:24 |
| pilaf153 | well I will wait then upgrade and see if I can figure it out | 03:24 |
| pilaf153 | I have not got the cart up yet | 03:24 |
| pilaf153 | because the macros have me going crazy | 03:25 |
| perlDreamer | have you set up payment and shipping plugins? | 03:25 |
| pilaf153 | if I need to purchase something to help with that part do you have a recommendation | 03:25 |
| pilaf153 | yeah I have set up the plugins | 03:25 |
| perlDreamer | what exactly is the problem that you're having? | 03:25 |
| pilaf153 | I am not sure how to get a shopping cart link | 03:26 |
| pilaf153 | for the user | 03:26 |
| perlDreamer | it should be provided by the macro, iirc. Can you show me a page? | 03:26 |
| pilaf153 | I cant right now because the server is off and I am not located where the server is at the moment but I have tried adding the macro to the config file but then I am nto sure how to utilize the macro | 03:27 |
| perlDreamer | you call the ^Product() macro with a productId (from the Commerce Product system), or a SKU from any product in that system. | 03:28 |
| perlDreamer | so, you become admin, turn on admin, select Products from the Admin Bar | 03:29 |
| perlDreamer | add some products, noting the productId for each one | 03:29 |
| perlDreamer | then on a page, you drop 1 macro for each product | 03:29 |
| perlDreamer | isn't that covered in the commerce primer? | 03:29 |
| pilaf153 | I havent bought the primer yet because I was unsure if it would be for 7.5 | 03:30 |
| perlDreamer | ah | 03:31 |
| perlDreamer | well, that's the gist of it right there | 03:31 |
| perlDreamer | that will be 25 US$, please :) | 03:31 |
| pilaf153 | lol | 03:32 |
| * perlDreamer goes to play with a very impatient 7-year old | 03:32 | |
| pilaf153 | so if I have the product macro in the config file that should all work | 03:32 |
| SquOnk | My impatient 5-year old is playing with his grandma | 03:32 |
| pilaf153 | cool thanks | 03:32 |
| pilaf153 | no 5 year old here | 03:33 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6590 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix a bug in edit variant | 04:32 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6591 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix getCollateral, which used to return direct copies instead of safe copies, and | 04:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: add a test for that. | 04:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: addToCart does not adjust inventory, that is handled by the cart. | 04:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Invert the sense of quantity in onAdjustQuantity. | 04:52 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6592 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Refactored Rule.pm and uncovered a List::MoreUtils segfault | 06:00 |
| perlDreamer | hack on, patspam! | 06:07 |
| patspam | heh | 06:08 |
| patspam | strange that List::MoreUtils::any() was seg-faulting | 06:09 |
| patspam | just the XS version, problem goes away if you set LIST_MOREUTILS_PP env variable so that it uses pure perl | 06:09 |
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| patspam | i wonder if it's because I'm using wre-0.8.3-ubuntu-7.04-feisty on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy | 06:11 |
| perlDreamer | patspam, have you benchmarked any() vs WebGUI::Utils::isIn? | 06:14 |
| patspam | isIn() doesn't meet my needs, I'm using any like: any {!$_->evaluate()} @list | 06:17 |
| perlDreamer | ah | 06:17 |
| perlDreamer | I was actually wondering if any() could replace the current guts of isIn | 06:17 |
| patspam | I'm after the short-circuit behaviour | 06:18 |
| perlDreamer | but that would only make sense if it was faster | 06:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6593 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: add POD, change spacing | 06:47 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6594 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): the MORE menu exists now, but ... it doesn't show up with the right style, nor in the right place. Work continues. | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6595 /WebGUI/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl gotcha.txt): | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Move the deleteOldCommerceCode subroutine in the upgrade script to the end for safety. | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Deleted all templates in Commerce related namespaces. | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Deleted the commerceSettings table. | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added notes to the gotchas about the template deletions. | 09:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6596 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: add EventManagementSystem_product to the list of template namespaces that are deleted | 09:05 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6597 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (26 files in 9 dirs): | 12:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: finished refactoring modules | 12:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Modifiers now correctly applied to Operands | 12:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added DateTime Operand | 12:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Timezone can now be specified as 'user' to dynamically user user's tz | 12:54 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:02 |
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| juan | can i stablish the same date format for all the users that can be registered in the site?= | 17:48 |
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| perlDreamer | Is anyone else have problems reaching www.webgui.org? It's really slow. | 19:55 |
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| @preaction | no. it seems down completely to me | 19:57 |
| @preaction | wait, it's back... just yeah extremely slow | 19:57 |
| perlDreamer | I'll be patient | 19:59 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6598 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prune old EventManagementSystem stuff in www/extras | 19:59 |
| perlDreamer | MrHairgrease graduates in 9 days | 19:59 |
| perlDreamer | Is anyone interested in sending him a card and some kind of present? | 20:00 |
| @khenn | I'm guessing the dutch team is busy watching the Euro Cup like everyone else in Europe =p | 20:00 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, if he's not in the room, it will make it easier to arrange a gift, if people are amenable. | 20:11 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6599 /WebGUI/sbin/preload.exclude.example: | 20:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update preload.exclude.example to remove Commerce stuff and | 20:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: include Shop. | 20:26 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6600 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items-1.wgpkg: remove an old template | 20:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6601 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add subscription assets to the user's config file and the example config file. | 21:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items-1.wgpkg: templates i forgot to check in before | 21:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6603 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Shop.pm i18n/English/Shop.pm): first batch of Shop template variables | 21:50 |
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| perlDreamer | hey, tavisto | 21:51 |
| perlDreamer | got a hot lead for you | 21:51 |
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| perlDreamer | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9095238 | 21:51 |
| @tavisto | wazzabi | 21:51 |
| perlDreamer | go sell them on WebGUI | 21:52 |
| perlDreamer | great PR | 21:52 |
| perlDreamer | good opportunity to help some kids | 21:52 |
| perlDreamer | we could even have a WebGUI merit badge | 21:53 |
| perlDreamer | do user level testing of WebGUI | 21:53 |
| perlDreamer | help translate | 21:53 |
| perlDreamer | develop | 21:53 |
| @tavisto | um | 21:56 |
| @tavisto | This BSA OSS page is a bunch of crap | 21:56 |
| @tavisto | I'm getting a headache trying to figure out how this works | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | They need some help. | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | You're da man! | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | Swing in with some marketing mumbo jumbo and save the day, dude. | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | the article made sense and it sounded like they were trying to get OSS vendors to help them choose a solution | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | from their website: The Boy Scouts Open Source Software Website is an Open Source project. This means that the website is constantly being worked on. You will see construction zone signs on some pages throughout the website from time to time. When you see a construction zone sign this means that we are actively doing work in that area of the website. This does not mean that the area is unusable. However, it is an indication t | 21:58 |
| @tavisto | So because it is an Open Source project, it means the website is constantly being worked on? wtf | 21:58 |
| @preaction | i thought websites were constantly being worked on, period | 21:59 |
| @tavisto | seriously, what CIOs are helping the BSA with their website.... | 21:59 |
| @preaction | i think the BSA got fed a line of crap from some fly-by-night teenager with acne and a basement laboratory | 21:59 |
| * preaction lives in a second-floor duplex apartment, much nicer | 21:59 | |
| @tavisto | no because a teenager would know better... I guess some CIOs might be that far out of touch and tossing buzzwords at BSA like playing cornhole | 21:59 |
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| @preaction | perlbot .ve | 22:42 |
| perlbot | .ve is Venezuela | 22:42 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6606 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): removed cool menus nav in favor of yui nav | 22:56 |
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| @Haarg | SquOnk, i was considering adjusting the way utility scripts determine the webgui root path | 23:21 |
| @Haarg | would this http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4bf7f388 present any problems for debian stuff? | 23:21 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: The scripts have to end up in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, therefore using __FILE__ is not going to help. | 23:23 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: I'll still need to write a patch to set $webguiRoot :-) | 23:23 |
| @Haarg | ok, seems it wouldn't be much different either way then | 23:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6607 /tools/translationserver.cgi: exclude svn dirs from translation tarballs | 23:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6608 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: fixed a bug in the auto start realtime | 23:25 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Exactly | 23:25 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: What's needed is a way to set $webguiRoot _somewhere_ that all modules would use. | 23:26 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: If we had a single WebGUI::Config module installed in Perl5 standard INC, then $webguiRoot could be defined in there. If webgui were packaged as a standard Perl distribution, this would be a matter of creating a Makefile.PL | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: However, I'm not sure that's the best way to package WebGUI. | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | that's something i've wanted to look at for a while | 23:27 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Ideally, all of WebGUI's modules could be installed in Perl5 standard/vendor INC vía Makefile.PL rules. | 23:27 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: And the sbin scripts would go into /usr/bin as well. | 23:28 |
| @Haarg | reducing our reliance on the current fixed file layout would definately be good | 23:28 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: But then again, WebGUI has a lot of non-perl stuff and Makefile.PL is not suited for that kind of thing | 23:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6609 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Replaced dtree javascript with YUI TreeView. | 00:52 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6610 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm: repair more workflow monitor breakage | 00:52 |
| perlDreamer | sphincter factor 9.5 | 00:52 |
| perlDreamer | ha! | 00:52 |
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| @tavisto | so is CIA-6 connected to SVN or something? | 00:58 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 00:58 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, cia.vc | 00:58 |
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| @apeiron | tavisto, IOW, yes, it monitors SVN for changes and spits them out here. | 00:58 |
| @tavisto | wow, had no idea | 00:59 |
| @tavisto | I've seen it spew out all that stuff before but guess I never paid attention. thanks | 00:59 |
| perlDreamer | you want to see it spit out stuff, it means we're working | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | Or acting like it. | 01:12 |
| perlDreamer | working and useful are "somewhat" related. | 01:13 |
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| wgGuest52 | someone knows about the advertisement module in webgui? | 01:22 |
| wgGuest52 | How can i use this module | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | You configure ad spaces. Each ad space can hold several advertisements. You use the AdSpace macro to bring the ad space onto a page. | 01:23 |
| wgGuest52 | I have created a new space | 01:24 |
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| wgGuest52 | new adspace | 01:24 |
| wgGuest52 | And the system show me the next macro ^AdSpace(bannerlateral); | 01:25 |
| perlDreamer | yup, that's what you'd paste into an asset or layout to use it | 01:26 |
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| wgGuest52 | but, where i put the img or swf with this macro? | 01:27 |
| perlDreamer | in the ad | 01:28 |
| perlDreamer | adspace is a place holder, container for the ad | 01:28 |
| perlDreamer | kind of like a page holds articles | 01:28 |
| wgGuest52 | HAVE YOU ANY EXAMPLE TO SHOW ME IT´S FUNCTIONALITY? | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | no | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | I would just suggest trying it out. | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | oh, and I think your CAPS LOCK may be stuck on | 01:35 |
| wgGuest52 | ok | 01:36 |
| wgGuest52 | PerlDreamer, it´s ok | 01:52 |
| wgGuest52 | Tks | 01:52 |
| perlDreamer | excellent | 01:52 |
| wgGuest52 | I have a question | 01:52 |
| perlDreamer | okay, please ask away. | 01:53 |
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| juan | can i configure the ads based in the ip address? | 02:03 |
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| juan | for example the first time that i see the ad, it can count the impression and if the users continues in the same page don't count the impression if he refresh the page | 02:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6611 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Shop template variables | 02:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6612 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/PayDriver.pm i18n/English/PayDriver.pm): Email Receipt template is done for the PayDriver. | 02:05 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think you can configure the ads based on IP address, juan | 02:07 |
| wgGuest52 | Exactly Juan} | 02:07 |
| wgGuest52 | tks | 02:07 |
| juan | ok | 02:07 |
| juan | thanks | 02:07 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, that's correct. The only thing that influences whether a user sees an ad or not is the number of impressions bought (if any), and the priority of ads. | 02:11 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest52: you still interested in the 1-time user content? | 02:21 |
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| @apeiron | I would take that as a no. | 02:24 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6613 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): | 04:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix the pod for www_viewMy. | 04:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: i18n and help for Shop. | 04:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6614 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (PayDriver.pm Shop.pm): remove some duplicates | 04:26 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6615 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): add hasAddedToCart and thankYouMessage template variables | 09:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6616 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): template help for the Subscription SKU | 09:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6617 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): bugfix: more debug output when style cannot instance your template | 09:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6618 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): make the admin console templates have unique titles | 09:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6619 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Folder.pm): fix a typo in the folder templating code that made titles get confused with menuTitles | 09:17 |
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| SDuensin | Morning all. | 16:04 |
| ckotil | good morning | 16:06 |
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| Radix__ | evenin' | 16:07 |
| * SDuensin has been too busy to chat here lately. | 16:08 | |
| dionak | morning.. | 16:11 |
| SDuensin | I'm also starting to live in fear of my WebGUI install again. I *really* need to get on the "new" WRE. | 16:12 |
| Radix__ | know how you feel :) | 16:13 |
| Radix__ | I think our work WRE is 0.7 and using 7.08 of webgui still | 16:14 |
| SDuensin | I've also got one site I built, the client didn't seem to care, so I archived it. Now they want it. Tried to upgrade it and it failed. Get to deal with that later. | 16:15 |
| ckotil | has sql form wobject been replace by thingy? | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | Thingy? | 16:17 |
| ckotil | yeah i thought thingy was the new data form w/ sql support | 16:18 |
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| ckotil | ah, i see what it is now. | 16:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6620 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (HTMLArea.pm Textarea.pm): Textarea needs to be filtered when shown as HTML | 17:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6621 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg: remove svn meta dirs from package | 17:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6622 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm): fixed: edit branch can't update URLs on most assets | 17:25 |
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| topsub | is there a way to have a log of deletion of file assets? I am having a problem of the files of the file asset being deleted or something is happening were its loosing the file, and i want to be able to log what is happening. | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | is the asset itself going away? or just the file in uploads? | 17:45 |
| lrobinson | does anybody know why all the line breaks would disappear when i save a Codearea form item to the database? | 17:51 |
| dionak | i think we've discovered a bug with bulk edits of file assets (related to topsub's message). however, we would also like to have a log of deletions that occur on a system (mostly importantly assets) in case a user is deleting assets. this way we could discover the issue more quickly when an asset suddenly goes missing. | 17:53 |
| topsub | haarg, its just the file that is going away not the asset | 17:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6623 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetBranch.pm): fixed: edit branch can't update URLs on most assets | 17:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6624 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): prepare for 7.4.40 dev | 17:54 |
| @Haarg | there isn't a log kept of storage location deletes | 17:55 |
| dionak | what about asset deletes? | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | there's the assetHistory table | 17:56 |
| dionak | so there's no interface that i'm overlooking? | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | but it's hard to use that often because it only stores the id | 17:56 |
| dionak | (which is fine really) | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | there's no interface for that no | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | aside from the trash obviously | 17:56 |
| dionak | oh, good point. and how would one know the ID. perhaps look at lineage | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | once it's purged though, there isn't really any information left about it | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | so you would probably need to look at backups | 17:57 |
| dionak | yea...we had an asset disappear recently and it wasn't in trash. never figured out what happened to it. | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | when you say bulk edits what are you refering to? | 17:57 |
| dionak | ok, that's certainly an idea. | 17:58 |
| dionak | edit branch on a directory that contains file assets | 17:58 |
| dionak | it appears when anything changes on a file asset (say title for instance) the storage location changes | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | yes | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | whenever a new revision is created, it makes a new storage location and copies the file | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | there is an rfe on the list relating to that | 17:59 |
| dionak | in our example, there are a lot of file assets in this location. randomly, the new storage location is stored in the db but the physical file is not copied to the new location. | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 17:59 |
| dionak | we think it may be a race condition | 17:59 |
| @Haarg | what version are you using? | 17:59 |
| dionak | 7.5.10 | 17:59 |
| dionak | i think, let me double check | 18:00 |
| dionak | we run multiple versions | 18:00 |
| dionak | this one is 7.4.37 | 18:00 |
| @Haarg | i could name several places you can lose storage locations or have files appear to vanish, but it doesn't sound like you are hitting any of those | 18:01 |
| dionak | if the physical file hasn't changed, it doesn't make sense that the storage location would change. in addition, copying the file would make the storage grow unnecessarily large. this seems like a bug to me | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | there are a few reasons it works as it does | 18:08 |
| dionak | could you elaborate? i'm interested... | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | primarily, if revisions share storage locations it makes it trickier to track which storage locations to delete when purging revisions | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | that can be dealt with, but would make it possible through the api to link a storage location in such a way that could give you data loss | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | although that is possible now as well | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | it could be argued that it discourages using the uploads location directly, since that shouldn't be relied upon anyway | 18:12 |
| dionak | so this could be remedied? though it sounds like it would take some work. it's rather problematic when managing publications for a client. | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | i want to think there were other concerns - nothing is coming to mind though. | 18:13 |
| dionak | for instance, we just went in to change permissions on a branch of publications and now we have to go in and fix the random 404s. | 18:13 |
| @Haarg | you shouldn't need to refer to the uploads location explicitly though | 18:14 |
| @Haarg | it seems like you must be running into something odd though | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | since the old and new uploads should both still be there | 18:15 |
| dionak | i agree. we will submit a support ticket... | 18:16 |
| dionak | regarding the asset deletion (another topic), i think if that action were pluggable, we could create a log of who deleted what and when. | 18:19 |
| dionak | rfe, i'm thinking | 18:19 |
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| dionak | it would help wg agencies so we could track which user is causing havoc. doesn't happen often, but when it does, we need to restrict access or provide this feedback to the client. | 18:20 |
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| @Haarg | it might be reasonable to add the url or file type or at least some extra information to the asset history | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | because as is a purge action tells you almost nothing without digging through backups | 18:39 |
| SDuensin | Namespaces anger me. | 18:43 |
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| slickware | Hey Tavis... you around? | 18:47 |
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| slickware | anyone from Sales on here at the moment? | 18:55 |
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| bopbop | slickware: tavisto isn't answering, someone else from PB's staff might be able to help you | 18:59 |
| bopbop | what's your question? | 18:59 |
| slickware | I've got a bunch, I was hoping to call but I didn't want to randomly guess at who'd be around in the phone tree :) | 19:00 |
| bopbop | you can call tavisto or Jamie Vrbsky | 19:01 |
| slickware | I have some questions about the agency hosting vs. other options, and also a custom programming quote request with addt' questions | 19:01 |
| bopbop | call jamie | 19:01 |
| bopbop | or email him | 19:01 |
| slickware | sounds good | 19:01 |
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| @tavisto | slickware, what's up | 19:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have time to talk about the dbfixcharset bug? | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | not at the moment | 19:41 |
| perlDreamer | okay | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | this afternoon? | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | i know there are still some things to resolve with that | 19:41 |
| perlDreamer | sure, I should be on all day until 4:30 pm PDT | 19:42 |
| * perlDreamer considers writing a test that does `perl testEnvironment.pl` to fix the nightly smoke tests | 19:45 | |
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| slickware | hey sorry went out for lunch | 20:18 |
| slickware | was going to give you a call Tavis, had some questions on a custom programming quote and how it would possibly relate to agency hosting | 20:18 |
| perlDreamer | slickware, I think with agency hosting you get your own server, so custom code should not be a problem. | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | but tavisto would know for sure | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | sup | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | negative | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | slickware wants to know if he can run custom software with agency hosting | 20:31 |
| @tavisto | Agency hosting runs on our production shared servers | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | so he'd have to upgrade to a custom server, or have the feature added to the core? | 20:32 |
| @tavisto | because it's on the shared servers, they can only run standard WebGUI code | 20:32 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto: You need to send me all your marketing materials so that I can represent PB better | 20:32 |
| @tavisto | if you got a mini VPS then you can run custom code. | 20:33 |
| slickware | different question | 20:33 |
| slickware | i meant - if i used PB for a custom programming quote | 20:33 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer all of our marketing materials are currently on the site but I can point you to them | 20:33 |
| slickware | meaning i paid PB to design code for Webgui | 20:33 |
| perlDreamer | slickware, it wouldn't matter. Non-core code couldn't be run on shared servers | 20:34 |
| slickware | could it then be applied to sites I run through the Agency host? | 20:34 |
| @tavisto | depends, if it's funded work and added to core then your sites would eventually get it | 20:34 |
| slickware | right | 20:34 |
| @tavisto | all sites get the same updates so if it was funded and PB added it to the core (which must be approved obviously) | 20:35 |
| slickware | I was hoping to get something created that would be general enough to be a beneficial addition to the base system | 20:35 |
| @tavisto | exactly, and if that's the case and it goes in then it would eventually be applied in a future upgrade | 20:35 |
| slickware | a lot of my clients want a membership database that is NOT part of the general webgui user system | 20:35 |
| @tavisto | membership directory functionality? | 20:35 |
| slickware | yes | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | well, | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | this can be done now through the use of SQL reports | 20:36 |
| slickware | right... but I am awful | 20:36 |
| slickware | at sql reports | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | you can have PB create an SQL report in a few hours | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | it's possible that it make break in future releases but fixing them is typically fairly easy | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | and wouldnt require heaps o' cash | 20:36 |
| slickware | it's what, like $200/hr? | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | The other option is the thingy | 20:36 |
| @tavisto | $120/hr is dev rate | 20:37 |
| slickware | oh, even better | 20:37 |
| @tavisto | and there's a bit of project management built into our quotes as well | 20:37 |
| @tavisto | but yes it's pretty reasonable | 20:37 |
| @tavisto | the other thing | 20:37 |
| @tavisto | since its multiple clients that need this... you could have it developed and implemented on one site | 20:37 |
| @tavisto | and then copy the templates and the SQL reports over to the other sites | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: A package would be even easier than that | 20:38 |
| @tavisto | so you'd make some profit there as well | 20:38 |
| @tavisto | good point perlDreamer | 20:38 |
| slickware | right- i would PREFER paying once for the design, and being able to use it on multiple sites | 20:39 |
| topsub | are we surpose to be able to do reporting from "thingy" | 20:40 |
| slickware | I'm not caught up on what a package does exactly. The books I have do a poor job of explaining it | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | a package is a way to transfer assets (and sometimes asset collateral) between WebGUI sites safely. | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | so when you ask for a quote, make sure the deliverable is a package, and not just a configured asset on one site as an example. | 20:43 |
| slickware | gotcha | 20:45 |
| slickware | what's a "thingy" | 20:45 |
| perlDreamer | thingy is the next generation web based application builder | 20:46 |
| perlDreamer | it's a point and click way of building database backed applications | 20:47 |
| perlDreamer | JT's blog talks about it: http://www.webgui.org/tbb/next-thingy#PdiTZ7LMji_vBAqvnqIHFw | 20:49 |
| @tavisto | Thingy is another way you could create your membership directory | 20:50 |
| @tavisto | I was going to mention it but was interrupted by a call | 20:50 |
| slickware | that sounds excellent | 20:50 |
| @tavisto | anyway, the thingy is currently only in 7.5 so you'll need to wait until it goes on to the stable servers | 20:50 |
| @tavisto | until it goes stable.. and then goes on the stable servers.. hehe | 20:51 |
| slickware | what's the approx estimate on that? | 20:51 |
| slickware | (phone brb) | 20:51 |
| @tavisto | sometime before WUC but I'm not sure as of yet | 20:51 |
| ckotil | thingy is really confusing | 20:52 |
| @tavisto | I have to run off to the webgui webinar.. bbl | 20:52 |
| ckotil | i looked at it for 10 minutes this morning on beta.webgui.org | 20:52 |
| ckotil | i needed to create a web form w/ db backend. ended up making a macro | 20:52 |
| ckotil | sql form wanted insert , delete, create, among other privileges, i didnt feel comfortable giving | 20:53 |
| topsub | learning curve with thingy | 20:54 |
| topsub | i need to do reporting with it but doesn't seem able to | 20:54 |
| topsub | and trying to link up the db seems very hard to use a SQL Report | 20:55 |
| ckotil | i used sql report to give a webview of pending version tags. it works well | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: I don't think the Thingy designers hang out in IRC. Try a forum posting to catch them. | 20:57 |
| topsub | ah. thanks perlDreamer | 20:58 |
| topsub | Do you know if that ability is there and i am just overlooking it? | 20:58 |
| slickware | good to know though topsub. thank you for the input | 20:59 |
| slickware | i think i agree, right now, i would probably rather pay PB than wait for a beta | 21:00 |
| topsub | ckotil, what idd you find hard with thingy? | 21:02 |
| topsub | <-- not looking forward to flying sunday! | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: I haven't played with Thingy yet | 21:06 |
| perlDreamer | Although I would be surprised if there wasn't a display/view/report screen of some kind in there. | 21:06 |
| topsub | i found a edit / search / view | 21:06 |
| perlDreamer | and the view doesn't do what you want? or search? | 21:06 |
| topsub | no I need to get a list | 21:08 |
| topsub | search gets me my list | 21:08 |
| topsub | i need the search for something else | 21:08 |
| topsub | so if i change the template i loose 1 feature i need | 21:08 |
| topsub | i need to search by keyword and use this template | 21:08 |
| topsub | but to get a list like i need somewhere else i need another template | 21:09 |
| topsub | if that makes sence | 21:09 |
| perlDreamer | oh yeah | 21:09 |
| topsub | so it works | 21:09 |
| topsub | but i need to be able repeat it as many times as i want | 21:09 |
| perlDreamer | well, RFEs and patches are always welcome | 21:10 |
| topsub | i make a note.. I don't watn to do RFE yet cuz maybe they are planning on it just i don't have that version yet | 21:10 |
| perlDreamer | you can always check svn: https://svn.webgui.org | 21:10 |
| perlDreamer | if it isn't in there now, it's probably not coming | 21:11 |
| topsub | ah | 21:11 |
| topsub | Maybe they had something else in mind on doing reporting | 21:11 |
| topsub | or maybe it wasn't thought of before | 21:12 |
| perlDreamer | or it may not have ever been in the spec | 21:12 |
| topsub | true | 21:12 |
| perlDreamer | well, either that or search/report were rolled together | 21:12 |
| perlDreamer | hard to tell | 21:12 |
| topsub | i posted on the forum so hopefully one of the dev will speak up and i can see | 21:12 |
| topsub | it kinda looks like it. but then search can only be for one "feature" i guess to say. So you have to use it one way | 21:12 |
| @apeiron | Am I missing something, or is there no way to change an uploaded wG::Asset::File's filename attribute? | 21:27 |
| @apeiron | (through the Web UI) | 21:27 |
| @apeiron | And if there isn't, what do people think of an RFE for it? | 21:29 |
| @preaction | apeiron, very bad. the filename attribute is used to figure out which file in the storage location is the actual file | 21:34 |
| @apeiron | preaction, Yes, and changing the filename would require a new storage location. | 21:34 |
| @apeiron | preaction, e.g. say I upload a file with a typo in its name. I realize after the fact that it had a typo but I don't want to reupload it. | 21:35 |
| @preaction | so you want to rename the file itself, not just change the "filename" attribute? that would probably be okay | 21:35 |
| @apeiron | Not quite. | 21:36 |
| @apeiron | Say I upload a PDF. This PDF's filename on my local filesystem is 28290085.pdf (real world example). | 21:36 |
| @apeiron | When users of, say, Firefox, go to download this PDF, they'll be prompted to save a file named 28290085.pdf to their drive. | 21:37 |
| @apeiron | I would like to be able to, after uploading the file, change it to be something descriptive, like "software_testing_research.pdf". | 21:37 |
| @preaction | right, so rename the file itself, after you've uploaded it | 21:37 |
| @apeiron | That way, they'll get a descriptive file name by default without having to put forth the effort. | 21:37 |
| @apeiron | How do I do that from the Web UI? I'm not seeing a way to do so. | 21:38 |
| @preaction | you don't | 21:38 |
| @apeiron | aha. | 21:38 |
| @apeiron | That's what I would want to do. | 21:38 |
| @apeiron | Does that still fall under "very bad idea"? | 21:39 |
| @preaction | no | 21:39 |
| @apeiron | Okay, good. | 21:40 |
| bopbop | wait | 21:43 |
| bopbop | apeiron, can't you just give the uploaded file a new title in the properties tab? | 21:43 |
| @apeiron | bopbop, Yes, but that won't affect the filename that the browser wants to write to disk, yes? | 21:43 |
| bopbop | it should | 21:43 |
| @apeiron | It's not, at least not for a PDF I uploaded. | 21:44 |
| bopbop | yep you're right | 21:45 |
| bopbop | that should definitely be changed | 21:45 |
| @apeiron | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/allow-users-to-change-a-wgassetfiles-filename-after-uploading#fSq22CH7Xh5gSuwTJJ0gQQ for anyone interested. | 21:47 |
| perlDreamer | if bopbop wrote it, we should do it | 21:47 |
| bopbop | everybody streak down your street | 21:48 |
| bopbop | I wrote it... | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | already done it, got cited, bought the t-shirt | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | although, contextually I was speaking about RFEs | 21:49 |
| perlDreamer | we should implement all of your RFEs, but ignore your bug reports | 21:49 |
| @apeiron | Uh huh, suuure. | 21:49 |
| bopbop | hey, I like my bugs | 21:50 |
| bopbop | what does this mean for karma rank: 5.00000005e-06 | 21:50 |
| @apeiron | It means we should be using bigint, first, and second that it's a very small positive value. | 21:50 |
| bopbop | what's the e for? | 21:50 |
| @apeiron | hum, actually, not sure if bigint will format that properly. | 21:50 |
| @apeiron | Scientific notation. | 21:50 |
| bopbop | blah | 21:51 |
| ckotil | difficulty is 9999999999 | 21:53 |
| ckotil | ah its new, so i bet JT has to lower the difficulty | 21:54 |
| ckotil | along the same lines.. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset#33ouzTyNpLq6KQbSAJIlLA | 21:54 |
| ckotil | ohh this one has gotten some karma lately | 21:54 |
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| wgGuest61 | Greetings | 21:55 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: e = 10 to the power of .... | 21:57 |
| @apeiron | In this context, anyway. | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | so 1e-3 is 1 * 10^-3 power, or 0.001 | 21:57 |
| @apeiron | Otherwise it's 2.7[...] | 21:57 |
| bopbop | ok | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | howdy, wgGuest61 | 21:57 |
| perlDreamer | You don't need permission to ask question, just throw them out | 21:57 |
| wgGuest61 | Oh just checking things out I just downloaded webgui... looks like a great package | 21:58 |
| slickware | it sure is | 21:58 |
| wgGuest61 | I'm an IT manager for a city and thought I'd check it out for our use. | 21:59 |
| dionak | what features are you looking for wgGuest61? | 22:00 |
| slickware | what sort of application ? | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | do you guys remember who it was that just did that? Set up WebGUI for a city? | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | It was someplace with BBQ... | 22:00 |
| dionak | mmmm...bbq. | 22:00 |
| wgGuest61 | everyone likes to update our main web site .. now they just each ftp over each other.. | 22:00 |
| slickware | mmm that sounds like a great idea | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | Charley Hankins | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | goeldorado | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, you're the man! | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | www.goeldorado.com | 22:01 |
| dionak | content management and permissions sounds like your primary need wgGuest61 | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | we also have 2 cities in Mas | 22:01 |
| @tavisto | Mass | 22:01 |
| wgGuest61 | I would like to get a more organized shared environ.. thought this might do it. | 22:02 |
| @tavisto | wGGuest61, I would be happy to register you for our weekly webinars. You can find out more information at http://www.plainblack.com/webinar | 22:03 |
| wgGuest61 | I'll take a look... | 22:03 |
| dionak | what a great idea tavisto | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | yeah I just finished one 2 minutes ago | 22:04 |
| slickware | hooray for massachusetts - do you know which cities? | 22:05 |
| wgGuest61 | I'm curious how you take an existing website and use it with WebGUI | 22:05 |
| perlDreamer | do you import with, or live alongside of? | 22:05 |
| wgGuest61 | ?? | 22:06 |
| dionak | you can take an existing site and integrate WG into it | 22:06 |
| dionak | we've done this for clients by taking an existing site, creating a style template and page layouts and then populate the content | 22:06 |
| wgGuest61 | we do all our own hosting/dns etc. Centos 5.1 | 22:06 |
| dionak | once you get the hang of it, it doesn't take long | 22:07 |
| dionak | pretty much copy+paste and add variables in the right places | 22:08 |
| wgGuest61 | Sounds like fun | 22:08 |
| dionak | it's not bad | 22:08 |
| wgGuest61 | LOL.. thats not the same as fun :) | 22:08 |
| dionak | i thought you were being sarcastic ;) | 22:09 |
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| wgGuest61 | If it works it would be a big step in the right direction | 22:09 |
| wgGuest61 | No I was serious .. thats the kind of thing I think is fun.. | 22:10 |
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| dionak | it works. the first place i started was learning the concepts, like style template and page layouts | 22:10 |
| dionak | oh, cool! then yea, you'll enjoy it | 22:10 |
| slickware | ya- the Getting Started wiki is a good place to start, obviously | 22:10 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, be sure to check out the wiki | 22:10 |
| slickware | otherwise, the books are also helpful, and the forums | 22:10 |
| wgGuest61 | Hey I switched the entire city over to VoIP (Asterisk) I thought that was fun till I ended up being the phone guy. | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | that's the nice thing about using WebGUI | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | you can share the responsibility | 22:11 |
| slickware | absolutely... i went from being totally irresponsible, to paying PlainBlack to do it for me! :-D | 22:12 |
| dionak | lol | 22:12 |
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| cap10morgan | Anyone running the rhel5 wre on centos 5? | 22:13 |
| cap10morgan | I keep seeing this when trying to start the WRE: Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195 | 22:13 |
| cap10morgan | and then this when it actually tries to connect to the mysql server: Undefined subroutine &DBD::mysql::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/mysql.pm line 142 | 22:14 |
| cap10morgan | seems like there's some version disagreement in the DBI somewhere, but I can't figure out why that would happen inside the WRE | 22:16 |
| @Haarg | i've run it with no problems | 22:17 |
| @apeiron | cap10morgan, Perhaps you're running into problems with your vendor's MySQL? | 22:17 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron, that message came from the WRE's mysql | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | if it was vendor MySQL, the WRE wouldn't even start? | 22:20 |
| wgGuest61 | nick | 22:22 |
| wgGuest61 | hmmm | 22:22 |
| @tavisto | wgGuest61, do you have any immediate questions about WebGUI that I can help you with? | 22:23 |
| wgGuest61 | I | 22:23 |
| wgGuest61 | Yikes | 22:23 |
| wgGuest61 | Trying to do too many things | 22:23 |
| wgGuest61 | I'm still downloading but I'm sure I'll be back... | 22:23 |
| wgGuest61 | Need to setup a VM and install | 22:24 |
| @tavisto | hehe alright np | 22:24 |
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| slickware | so Tavis... my other question was going to be, | 22:25 |
| @tavisto | If you're looking for a quick guided introduction to WebGUI, sign up for one of our webinars and I'll be able to show you the ropes. Typically runs about 30mins to an hour depending on how many questions attendees have. | 22:25 |
| Tgarius | Forgot to change name... | 22:25 |
| slickware | if I start hosting 15, 20, 40 sites (using Agency hosting), is there a "better" option (dedicated server?) at that point? | 22:26 |
| @tavisto | well yes there is a break point | 22:26 |
| @tavisto | I don't know what it is off the top of my head but we have a couple people that do this | 22:27 |
| @tavisto | I had 25 hosting customers on agency hosting awhile back. And it was fine and I was making good money on hosting residuals | 22:27 |
| dionak | tavis, are you going to yapc? | 22:28 |
| perlDreamer | agency hosting is $15/month | 22:28 |
| slickware | so i'm assuming it's >25 sites, for now | 22:29 |
| slickware | and i can figure out the price break at a later date | 22:29 |
| slickware | I didn't see a hosting option that was (1 server, many sites) in the PB store | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | super server is $600/month | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | so 40 sites for a super server | 22:29 |
| slickware | the super server seems to imply that you only get one domain though | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | well, aside from registering domains, what would stop you from logging in as root and running addSite yourself? | 22:30 |
| @tavisto | with our dedicated and vps servers, you can do whatever you want since you have root | 22:31 |
| @tavisto | however, if you need help from PB then I'm sure we can work something out in terms of managing/adding sites. | 22:31 |
| slickware | i don't have a problem installing sites/domains | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: I'm looking at your calendar list/add event bug. and I think it may have been fixed accidentally. | 22:32 |
| slickware | i just would want a solution that puts me NOT in charge of running/maintenance | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer | I'll double check on beta | 22:32 |
| slickware | and upgrading | 22:32 |
| bopbop | well that would be convenient... how? | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | plain black handles upgrades and such | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | and monitoring | 22:33 |
| slickware | ah | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | keep in mind all sites would be running same version of WebGUI though | 22:33 |
| slickware | that's fine | 22:33 |
| slickware | wouldn't they with the Agency, too? | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | yep | 22:33 |
| slickware | so that's not a bad thing | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | so if you have clients with custom needs they are better placed on mini vps | 22:33 |
| @tavisto | nope, it's a great thing for a reseller.. it's called STABLE and PEACEFUL | 22:34 |
| slickware | what would qualify as a custom need | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | try being a reseller during 6.x development.... | 22:34 |
| perlDreamer | oy | 22:34 |
| slickware | remember... i tried being both a seller AND a developer during 5x! | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | I thought about running off to Brazil and leaving the world behind | 22:34 |
| perlDreamer | 5x was a cake walk compared to 6x | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | 5.x was fine | 22:34 |
| slickware | o | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | 6.x I thought people were going to kill me | 22:34 |
| slickware | no wonder i stopped upgrading after 5x | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | yeah, be glad you did. | 22:35 |
| slickware | 7 is growing on me | 22:35 |
| @tavisto | I hope so! | 22:35 |
| slickware | i'm still grumbling, but it's getting better | 22:35 |
| @tavisto | cuz if you don't like it there's nothing we can do.... 7.x is flippin sweet | 22:35 |
| nuba | why Brazil? | 22:35 |
| slickware | haha | 22:35 |
| @tavisto | because no one could bring me back :) | 22:35 |
| @tavisto | and the women are hot. | 22:35 |
| slickware | i like watching Joomla users go "WOW... drag and drop!" | 22:35 |
| @tavisto | nuba, do you have a better idea for a location? :) | 22:36 |
| slickware | brazil sounds amazing | 22:36 |
| nuba | i could bring you back to JT, if thats what youre talking about | 22:36 |
| nuba | all's negotiable.. | 22:36 |
| slickware | and i've heard brazil girls are hot, also | 22:36 |
| @tavisto | oh no.. I meant run from my customers at the time of 6.x | 22:36 |
| nuba | ah ok | 22:36 |
| @tavisto | those were rough, but necessary days. | 22:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6626 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: change asset manager link in admin console to new operation | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6627 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Collaboration RSS link in header doesn't indicate title | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6628 /WebGUI/ (sbin/userImport.pl docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: userImport.pl overwrites settings when updating users | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6629 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed: Creating a shortcut creates a version tag even with autocommit turned on | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6630 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: email password recovery submit button effected by UI level | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6631 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated content fills results with empty entries up to max headlines count | 22:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6632 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): DataForm rewritten | 22:37 |
| @tavisto | nuba, are you going to be at the WUC this year? | 22:39 |
| nuba | nope | 22:39 |
| @tavisto | That's too bad. I haven't seen you since the 1st or 2nd WUC | 22:40 |
| @tavisto | first one right? | 22:40 |
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| nuba | its been a while since I was last WUC-ed | 22:40 |
| @tavisto | heh | 22:40 |
| nuba | yeah, that was 2004 | 22:41 |
| nuba | iirc | 22:41 |
| nuba | too much on my plate, cant fit a conference in the US there | 22:41 |
| perlDreamer | how's the mosquite situation down there, nuba? It's dropped off the US news radar so we haven't heard anything. | 22:43 |
| nuba | i tried to contribute to webgui with a map asset, but my schedule didnt seem to agree with me on that | 22:44 |
| nuba | had I suceeded, i'd certainly make the extra effort to attend to the wuc and deliver it hands on | 22:44 |
| nuba | who knows, maybe next WUC... | 22:45 |
| perlDreamer | Maybe instead of Vegas for the next WUC, we should do Brazil | 22:45 |
| slickware | really? the next one is planned for vegas? | 22:46 |
| @apeiron | I thought it was staying in Madison. | 22:46 |
| dionak | i hope so... | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | for a while it was going to alternate between Vegas and other locations | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | but then it did Madison twice | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | I prefer Madison to Vegas myself | 22:47 |
| slickware | I recommend Boston | 22:47 |
| slickware | :-D | 22:47 |
| perlDreamer | PDX? ;) | 22:47 |
| * apeiron prefers anything but Filthydelphia. </3 | 22:48 | |
| perlDreamer | is apeiron planning on moving? | 22:48 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Eventually. | 22:49 |
| nuba | WUC'n'Rio! | 22:51 |
| nuba | i should take some pics of gooey here | 22:54 |
| slickware | haha filthydelphia, awesome | 22:54 |
| nuba | Gooey in Copacabana, Gooey w/ Pretty Native Girls | 22:54 |
| nuba | Gooey of Ipanema | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | gooey with highly deadly black tarantula | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | who will win the 8-armed battle? | 22:55 |
| nuba | Gooey w/ girls will probably look like softcore porn, tho | 22:55 |
| slickware | so? | 22:55 |
| nuba | wonder if that'll be accepted in the contributions gallery ate pb.com | 22:55 |
| nuba | at* | 22:55 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, you wanted to discuss something with the db character set repair script? | 22:56 |
| nuba | is there any rule on how Gooey must be depicted in the pics? | 22:57 |
| nuba | like, no violence, no profane language signs, no whatever... | 22:57 |
| @tavisto | I'm not sure about future WUC but I'm pretty sure that we're doing Madison for 09 too | 22:59 |
| @tavisto | it's a great venue for it though and centrally located | 22:59 |
| @tavisto | who knows... maybe we'll mix it up and go for the north pole | 22:59 |
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| @tavisto | Santa is using WebGUI now.. PR report coming out next month on it. ;) | 23:00 |
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| perlDreamer | yes Haarg. | 23:00 |
| perlDreamer | From the bug, you know I've tracked down what happened to the column defaults | 23:01 |
| perlDreamer | but PB's site has the defaults in place | 23:01 |
| perlDreamer | I was wondering if you might know why that is | 23:01 |
| perlDreamer | also, if you had a suggestion for how to handle sites that are already broken due to this | 23:01 |
| @Haarg | i was planning on adding something to the upgrade script to explicitly set the defaults everywhere | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't hurt anything, and will fix the issue for people going through the upgrade | 23:03 |
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| @Haarg | the reason it isn't an issue on pb.com is the script was never run there | 23:04 |
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| @Haarg | when i added that conversion to the upgrade script, we were already several versions past there | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | I see, that's why it didn't show up. | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | Would you prefer to work on it, or do you mind if I try it? | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | There are lots of other bugs for me to work on :) | 23:05 |
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| @Haarg | i was just going to take all the defaults from create.sql and make the sql statements to add them. if you have a better thought you can work on it, but otherwise i'll take care of it. | 23:07 |
| perlDreamer | no, that's what I was thinking | 23:09 |
| perlDreamer | lots of perl and grep to make it easier | 23:09 |
| perlDreamer | I'll grab another bug | 23:09 |
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| slickware | 'night everyone. i'm out for the day | 23:10 |
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| dionak | nite | 23:32 |
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| cap10morgan | Haarg: you've run the rhel5 wre on centos5? | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:28 |
| @Haarg | we compile it on centos5 actually | 00:28 |
| cap10morgan | i see :) | 00:28 |
| cap10morgan | hmm... very weird | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: Does the rewrite of the DataForm affect Content/Setup.pm? (which copy/pasted DataForm code into it) | 00:28 |
| cap10morgan | i have it running fine on rhel5 servers | 00:28 |
| cap10morgan | but this is the first time i've tried it on centos | 00:29 |
| cap10morgan | seems like it should be the same | 00:29 |
| cap10morgan | since they /are/ the same :) | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | that's a good question perlDreamer | 00:29 |
| @Haarg | i'll check on that in a minute | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | if so, I'd vote for a small DataForm refactor that would allow some DataForm sub to be called, rather that copy/paste again . | 00:30 |
| cap10morgan | DataForm was rewritten? for 7.5? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | yes | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | cap10morgan: I love the RSS interface into SVN | 00:30 |
| cap10morgan | how mixin-able is DataForm? | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | well, mostly rewritten | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | if more people read the svn logs we'd catch more bugs sooner | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI is officially big enough to not fit in any 1 person's head anymore | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | there are some things with the new dataform i'm not in love with | 00:31 |
| @Haarg | but i'm going to work on it more for 7.6 | 00:31 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: maybe we could rework it to use the JSON collateral for storing dataform setups. That way form setups would be versioned, and packagable and all. | 00:32 |
| perlDreamer | but not user data | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | that was the point of the rewrite | 00:33 |
| cap10morgan | oh joy | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | form setups are now stored as json | 00:33 |
| cap10morgan | that's awesome | 00:33 |
| cap10morgan | thanks to whoever worked on that! :) | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | user data is also stored as json | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | that's what I did for the Product, and I probably could have saved you some code if I'd abstracted it out sooner. | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | inside Asset::Sku::Product there's a whole implementation of the wobject collateral as JSON | 00:34 |
| @Haarg | i may take a look at that | 00:38 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: they got dirt! | 01:31 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Ah, anything special about it? | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | well, right now it's in the oven. They're pretty happy about just that :) | 01:32 |
| @apeiron | heh. | 01:32 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: Do you have a minute? | 02:21 |
| @preaction | sure | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | in the Calendar, what is startEpoch? | 02:21 |
| @preaction | what view? | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | list view | 02:22 |
| @preaction | it's the epoch date of the start of the current page | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | I'm looking at a calendar bug where dates were off in events in the list view | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/list-view-reporting-wrong-dates#zu06yO1inPvrqLB50cjm2w | 02:23 |
| @preaction | ... damnit... it should be "eventStartDayOfMonth" for the events... | 02:24 |
| @preaction | so, if the template gets fixed, that bug can be closed | 02:24 |
| @preaction | startDayOfMonth returning 9 means that the page started there | 02:25 |
| perlDreamer | I've fixed the problem with the event date, it needed to use eventStartDateEpoch | 02:25 |
| perlDreamer | now I'm confused | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | why would it use startDayOfMonth? | 02:26 |
| @preaction | he was trying to get the startDayOfMonth for the event | 02:26 |
| @preaction | but in the Calendar views, that means you need to prefix "event" to the variable | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | so instead of the date macro, just use the right event vars? that's even easier :) | 02:27 |
| @preaction | the list view page starts at an exact time, so it uses all the start* and end* | 02:27 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | how 'bout this. Please email me a rough spec for the date display, and I'll fix it, update the template package and recommit it. | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | and close the bug | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | should it show a span of dates, just the start date, or whatever | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | although, if it didn't generate all those template vars and used the date macro, it would be faster | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | gotta scoot, I'll probably be back on later, and I'll check the IRC logs for other message. | 02:29 |
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| +crythia1 | hi | 04:53 |
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| @tavisto | rizen, ugly kid joe? honestly? | 07:14 |
| @rizen | indeed | 07:14 |
| @rizen | they rock | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | hold on.. let me slit my wrists | 07:14 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 07:15 |
| @rizen | my favorite songs are "Goddamn Devil" and "Neighbor" | 07:15 |
| @rizen | not as big of a fan of the stuff they had on the radio | 07:15 |
| @tavisto | nah they are okay if I want to rock out with my cock out | 07:15 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: tmi | 07:15 |
| @tavisto | hah | 07:15 |
| @tavisto | whatever Colin, you've been waiting all day for me to say that | 07:16 |
| @rizen | how do you go wrong with: "There will be torture and there will be pain, Cause this is hell, baby, die in flames." | 07:16 |
| @tavisto | or "life is B, and then you die" | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: You are the marketing man, even if you can't sell it to the Boy Scouts | 07:16 |
| @rizen | tmi? | 07:17 |
| @tavisto | hey now... I've got one of our guys working on BSA now | 07:17 |
| @tavisto | to much information | 07:17 |
| @tavisto | too much information... | 07:17 |
| perlDreamer | has anyone tried the search in the asset manager yet? | 07:18 |
| @rizen | preaction said it's broken | 07:18 |
| @rizen | and he has to fix it | 07:18 |
| @tavisto | Jay is going to hit up BSA to find out what the crap that lame ass BSA OSS site is. The article says they consulted several CIO's of large companies and created that OSS strategy | 07:18 |
| @tavisto | but if you look at the mess of a site that is... I can't figure out what they're trying to do | 07:19 |
| @rizen | There's no gimmick that ain't been sold | 07:19 |
| @tavisto | Jay is going to jump in there as a CIO and OSS vendor and see if he can get in touch with someone to find out if they're looking for a solution or if they're just playing around with OSS for shits and giggles | 07:19 |
| @rizen | probably just playing so they can get free press | 07:19 |
| @tavisto | maybe, but they don't really need it | 07:20 |
| @rizen | actually they do | 07:20 |
| @rizen | good press i mean | 07:20 |
| @tavisto | and this makes them look like flippin idiots | 07:20 |
| @rizen | they've had lots of bad press lately | 07:20 |
| @tavisto | dude BSA has a good aura around them no matter how the media spins em | 07:20 |
| @rizen | but one trait of idiots is that they don't know they are idiots | 07:20 |
| @tavisto | yeah, that's true | 07:20 |
| @rizen | only to ultra conservative christian nutbags like you | 07:21 |
| @rizen | normal people don't have a good opinion of bsa | 07:21 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:21 |
| @tavisto | sure they dont | 07:21 |
| perlDreamer | assetManaget still doesn't work, but it doesn't crash your site now :) | 07:21 |
| @tavisto | Rizen, I'm gonna punch you straight in the ovaries | 07:22 |
| @tavisto | and then bash you in the skull with tiny pillows | 07:22 |
| @rizen | tavisto, i've got small pillows protecting me | 07:22 |
| @rizen | today i was doing a search online for tiny pillows so i could order some for you | 07:23 |
| @rizen | and i ran across the best site | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 07:23 |
| @rizen | http://www.pixiespillows.com/ | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | actually I know you do have tiny pillows protecting you.. cuz you always sleep with them | 07:23 |
| @tavisto | um... well gee thanks.. I now have a dirty URL and cache in my browser | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | that'll be great when I'm giving the next webinar | 07:24 |
| @tavisto | heh bastard | 07:24 |
| @rizen | hehe | 07:24 |
| @rizen | you don't clear your history before you give a webinar? | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | hey dude... there's a serious trademark infringement on that site btw.. | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | "I really love pillows a lot!" | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | dude that's SOOOOO your line | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | I'd sue. | 07:25 |
| @rizen | i always try to do that so people don't know what bank i use, what stock trader i use, what porn sites i visit, and that i've looked up their fbi record | 07:25 |
| @tavisto | um dude I always do that | 07:26 |
| @tavisto | I was just kidding lol | 07:26 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://cache.imagefap.com/images/full/39/508/508633997.jpg | 07:27 |
| @tavisto | haha | 07:27 |
| @tavisto | wait a sec I think I've dated a couple of them | 07:27 |
| @rizen | hahah | 07:28 |
| @rizen | that's a great one | 07:28 |
| @tavisto | rizen, did you see our l33t placement at oscon... that's going to be sweet | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | we can prey on the people standing in line eating | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | er waiting for food | 07:30 |
| @rizen | no i didn't, but i'll trust that you got us a good spot | 07:30 |
| @tavisto | I forwarded you a map and where we were | 07:30 |
| @rizen | cuz if you didn't, then you're fired | 07:30 |
| @rizen | and i'll hire colin in your place | 07:31 |
| @rizen | since he lives in portland, i'm sure he could get us a great spot | 07:31 |
| @tavisto | hmm.... *tavis wonders if down the hall and behind the elevator was a good spot* | 07:31 |
| @tavisto | dude we are right next to the janitorial closet so I think it was a good choice | 07:31 |
| perlDreamer | just stay away from the joomla dudes | 07:32 |
| @rizen | why is that pd? | 07:36 |
| perlDreamer | they get tons of press all over the place | 07:37 |
| perlDreamer | They were on slashdot today | 07:37 |
| @rizen | i saw a post on slashdot today that said Joomla is a CMS (Crap Management System) | 07:37 |
| perlDreamer | Oreillynet last week about XML syndication and content analysis | 07:37 |
| @tavisto | I think I'm going to bring a bat and just start bashing Joomla people at the conference | 07:37 |
| @rizen | i still can't figure out why they get so much press | 07:38 |
| @rizen | i've used joomla, and i don't see anything special about it | 07:38 |
| @tavisto | because it's easy to install and review | 07:38 |
| +Radix-wrk | I think that's the nail on the head there.. 'easy to install' | 07:38 |
| @rizen | it doesn't seem any easier than webgui to use | 07:38 |
| @rizen | sure it's easier to install | 07:38 |
| @rizen | at least on shared hosting environments | 07:39 |
| @rizen | on a dedicated server it's no easier to install than WebGUI + WRE | 07:39 |
| @rizen | but there are dozens of WebGUI hosters out there | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | this was a quote from the corporate telecomm company I've been working a contract with | 07:39 |
| @tavisto | For example, prior to looking at you we looked at Joomla (which was VERY easy to set up) but there system does not have the flexibility that yours does relative to security permissions and they also don't do versioning. | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | then Todd came back with the "we find webgui very hard to install on our windows server" | 07:40 |
| @rizen | we need to get rid of the windows version | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | On your social epidemic email, I've been working on a response and it has some ideas involving installation | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | we do? | 07:40 |
| @rizen | yes | 07:40 |
| @tavisto | gah | 07:41 |
| @rizen | we either need to make webgui work as well on windows as it does on mac/linux/unix | 07:41 |
| @rizen | or we need to get rid of it | 07:41 |
| @rizen | and since i'm not willing to put that much time into it | 07:41 |
| @rizen | it needs to go away | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | I've been working to sell it to them for the last 2 weeks and we're getting close along with support contract.. son of ah | 07:41 |
| @rizen | in favor of a VMWare version | 07:41 |
| @rizen | sell it to them on windows? | 07:41 |
| @tavisto | yeah they have windows server 2003 environment | 07:42 |
| @rizen | how many people are going to access it? | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | they have 25 employees | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | and then I'm not sure yet about customers but it's nothing major | 07:42 |
| @rizen | it will work for something that small | 07:42 |
| @rizen | but it doesn't scale at all on windows | 07:42 |
| @tavisto | they want website/intranet/extranet and want to put a bunch of docs up along with sales stuff for public | 07:43 |
| @rizen | if you want to really push it on windows, then we need to hire someone to help Haarg so that he can spend some serious time on windows support | 07:44 |
| @rizen | life is too short for me to work on it | 07:44 |
| @rizen | i *HATE* windows | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | I was surprised when I was talking to Graham earlier and he told me that the latest WRE wasn't even tested on windows 2003 server. | 07:44 |
| @tavisto | I was like... Uh... that's what 85% of the businesses are going to be running right now | 07:45 |
| @tavisto | Well if you guys want to say the hell with windows then that's fine but even Fujitsu was interested in using it on Windows | 07:45 |
| @rizen | not sure where you're getting those numbers, windows doesn't even control that much of the server market | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | I'm not sure how much that hurts us | 07:46 |
| @rizen | they have about 55% | 07:46 |
| @rizen | and that's all flavors of windows | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | for small and medium businesses? No way | 07:46 |
| @rizen | Fujitsu said they also can run linux | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | They aren't running linux or mac servers | 07:46 |
| @rizen | you didn't say small businesses, you said business | 07:46 |
| @tavisto | oh okay | 07:47 |
| @rizen | and yes they do run linux....they said so on that call i was on with them | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | yeah but didn't they say that project was on windows and that they would throw more hardware at the problem? | 07:47 |
| @tavisto | speaking of them, they're waiting on the UK gov for the bid selection | 07:48 |
| @rizen | they said they're going to build out new servers for the project regardless | 07:48 |
| @rizen | they didn't care whether it was windows or linux | 07:48 |
| @rizen | they were initially planning windows | 07:48 |
| @rizen | and i told them it wouldn't scale, and they said "that's ok we'll use linux" | 07:48 |
| @tavisto | well good, that works for me | 07:49 |
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| @rizen | everybody runnnnnnnnn!!! snapcount is here | 07:50 |
| * rizen runs as fast as he can screaming like a girl | 07:50 | |
| perlDreamer | holy smoke, the event calendar has 200 variables, for 1 event! | 07:50 |
| @tavisto | Jesus saves and everyone else takes 5d10 Damage | 07:50 |
| @rizen | jesus disappeared in a puff of logic | 07:51 |
| @rizen | i read that somewhere | 07:51 |
| @rizen | =) | 07:51 |
| perlDreamer | it wasn't the bible | 07:51 |
| @rizen | yes it was, it was the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy | 07:52 |
| @rizen | which is the bible to the universe | 07:52 |
| @rizen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:God_%28Non-Existance_of%29.jpg | 07:53 |
| @rizen | "The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' | 07:55 |
| @rizen | "`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' | 07:55 |
| @rizen | "`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. | 07:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | "Oh that was easy says man and proves that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing" | 07:56 |
| @rizen | love that book | 07:57 |
| @rizen | the movie was ok, but the book was way better | 07:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | "Some leading theologicans think this is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolahan Cahoopid from making millions in his book bestseller "Well that about wraps it up for God"." | 07:57 |
| @rizen | but the BBC radio series was the best ever | 07:57 |
| +Radix-wrk | "Meanwhile, the poor babelfish, by removing all barriers of communication - had caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation" | 07:58 |
| @tavisto | No I think Monsterquest is the best ever | 07:58 |
| @tavisto | "you can't tell me what I saw." | 07:58 |
| @tavisto | "Sir, this cat hair... it came from a house cat." | 07:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have a copy of the original radio scripts in play format at home that I got for my 10th birthday :) | 07:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | the original bbc series was the best definitely | 07:59 |
| perlDreamer | -5 bugs | 08:01 |
| @tavisto | nice buddy | 08:01 |
| @rizen | i wish i could find that line, one of my favorites from the books | 08:05 |
| @rizen | a targ beast is charging at ford | 08:05 |
| @rizen | replace targ with actual name of monster | 08:05 |
| @rizen | and he reaches into his pocket for some coins, and throws them onto the ground in front of him | 08:06 |
| @rizen | and at the last second the beast stops | 08:06 |
| @rizen | sorry, i think zaphod threw the coins | 08:06 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: elnino wants wider metadata fields. Any objections? | 08:06 |
| perlDreamer | oh, wait, coins! | 08:06 |
| @rizen | and ford says, "what happened" | 08:06 |
| @rizen | and zaphod says, everybody knows that targ beasts will stop on a dime | 08:06 |
| @rizen | elnino wanted that for an invalid reason | 08:08 |
| @rizen | but that doesn't mean there isn't a valid reason, so i guess no objections | 08:08 |
| perlDreamer | I was thinking 2X. that's a lot of text | 08:09 |
| @rizen | 2x? | 08:11 |
| @rizen | 2x what it is now? | 08:11 |
| @rizen | i'd just make it a varchar(255) | 08:11 |
| @rizen | if you make it a text blob type like mediumtext then you can't sort on it, or perform certain match types, so that's no og | 08:12 |
| @rizen | good | 08:12 |
| perlDreamer | right now it's 100 for fieldName, and 100 for values | 08:12 |
| @rizen | field name is more than enough | 08:12 |
| perlDreamer | 255 it is | 08:12 |
| @rizen | change value to 255 | 08:12 |
| perlDreamer | you got it boss | 08:13 |
| @rizen | that's just sad | 08:20 |
| @rizen | 5 years into the iraq war only 1 in 7 americans can find iraq on a world map | 08:21 |
| @rizen | and only 2 of 5 americans know we have 3 branches of government and can name them | 08:22 |
| @rizen | methinks we need to have a test before you can vote | 08:24 |
| perlDreamer | they need to play Campaign Secrets | 08:24 |
| @rizen | you get 1 point for just being able to write your name | 08:24 |
| @rizen | i bet 50% of voters would be cut out right there | 08:24 |
| perlDreamer | X | 08:25 |
| perlDreamer | does that count? | 08:25 |
| @rizen | nope | 08:25 |
| @rizen | given that elementary through high school is free in this country, and has been for 100 years, you should be required to be literate to vote | 08:25 |
| perlDreamer | this is messed up | 08:26 |
| perlDreamer | asset meta data defaultvalue can hold multiple rows, it's a text area, but there's only 100 characters alotted for all of them. | 08:27 |
| perlDreamer | should that be a text field instead of a varchar? | 08:27 |
| @rizen | it pisses me off that people get distracted by whether barrack can bowl, hillary can tip back brandy snifters, mcain is too old, and bush dancing | 08:27 |
| @rizen | none of those things are relevant | 08:28 |
| perlDreamer | relevancy != ratings | 08:28 |
| @rizen | i just said it shouldn't be a text field | 08:28 |
| @rizen | scroll up | 08:29 |
| perlDreamer | I'm sorry, I wasn't clear | 08:29 |
| perlDreamer | values in metaData_values are 100 chars | 08:29 |
| perlDreamer | default values (options to pick from) are limited to 100 chars in metaData_properties | 08:29 |
| perlDreamer | seems like it should be bigger/different | 08:30 |
| perlDreamer | it = default values | 08:30 |
| @rizen | do you mean "possibleValues" or "defaultValue"? | 08:30 |
| perlDreamer | defaultValue. possibleValues is already a text field | 08:31 |
| @rizen | defaultValue should be exactly the same as the field in metaData_values | 08:31 |
| @rizen | if it weren't, then you could store one thing in metaData_properties that wasn't storable in metaData_values | 08:31 |
| @rizen | that doesn't make sense | 08:31 |
| perlDreamer | that's what I originally thought, too, but the hoverhelp says that defaultValue can contain multiple values, such as in the case of a checkbox list | 08:32 |
| @rizen | default value *is* a value | 08:32 |
| perlDreamer | just 1 value? | 08:32 |
| @rizen | no | 08:32 |
| @rizen | but value isn't a value either | 08:32 |
| @rizen | it's multiple values if it wants to be | 08:32 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 08:32 |
| @rizen | that's how checkboxes and other multi-value fields work | 08:32 |
| @rizen | all multivalue fields hold the list in the same field delimited by carriage returns | 08:33 |
| perlDreamer | okay, so it's limited to a total of 255 characters, regardless of how many values you stick in it | 08:33 |
| @rizen | yes | 08:33 |
| perlDreamer | I'll update the docs correspondingly | 08:33 |
| @rizen | and if you decide that you want 200 options that are 10 characters each, then you are an idiot, and it won't work. =) | 08:33 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6634 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: prevent assetManager from crashing. Still does not work right. | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6635 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: manageAssets => assetManager | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6636 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): op=manageAssets => op=assetManager | 08:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6637 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a template variable problem in the calendar list view | 08:34 |
| @tavisto | Well I expect the next president of the US to be a good bowler | 08:38 |
| @rizen | apparently you don't care whether the current president can dance though? | 08:38 |
| @tavisto | nah | 08:38 |
| @rizen | honestly...that shit is so stupid | 08:38 |
| @tavisto | media = stupid | 08:38 |
| @rizen | we're paying $4/gallon for gas, and people are making fun of whether bush can dance | 08:39 |
| @tavisto | and you wonder why I support AMLA and their cause to teach kids to think for themselves and find good answers using technology tools. Don't listen to the media and assume it's truth | 08:39 |
| perlDreamer | last bug for tonight | 08:39 |
| perlDreamer | more fun tomorrow, chief | 08:39 |
| perlDreamer | and chief's pillow boy :) | 08:39 |
| @rizen | later | 08:39 |
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| @tavisto | did he call me pillow boy | 08:40 |
| @rizen | i don't wonder why yu support AMLA | 08:40 |
| @tavisto | that son of ah | 08:40 |
| @tavisto | well tomorrow's the big upgrade day... yay | 08:40 |
| @rizen | and the best part is that he called you a pillow boy and then left so you couldn't defend yourself | 08:40 |
| @rizen | =) | 08:40 |
| @rizen | not if i can't get the damn upgrade to work | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | I'm going to punch him in the ovaries at OSCON | 08:41 |
| @rizen | been working on it all night against plainblack.com's database | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | what you do mean get the upgrade to work | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | oooh well no rush then... take your time and give it a few more days... :) | 08:41 |
| @rizen | i'm testing it against live data and the ugprade fails | 08:41 |
| @rizen | oh no | 08:41 |
| @rizen | i will fix it by tomorrow | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | I'd rather not open up this can of worms tomorrow anyway | 08:41 |
| @rizen | it's just a matter of what time | 08:41 |
| @tavisto | son of ah.. i hate you | 08:42 |
| @tavisto | how dare you try to fix something and deliver additional functionality for free.. you're a bitch | 08:42 |
| @rizen | nobody is interested in webgui shop, thingy, or gallery anyway. i should just give up | 08:42 |
| @rizen | =) | 08:43 |
| @tavisto | correct | 08:43 |
| @tavisto | just delete svn and get on with your life as a citgo gas station attendent | 08:43 |
| @tavisto | attendant even | 08:43 |
| @rizen | that's far too high for me to aspire to | 08:43 |
| @rizen | i'll go back to my previous profession of "goat ball warmer" | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | really? I figured it was a great in-the-door position so that some day you could be the manager | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | oh.. that explains the stretch marks on your cheeks | 08:44 |
| @rizen | which was an upgrade from my first job of "turd miner" | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | big balls in yo mouf | 08:44 |
| @tavisto | hey how's your nutritional program working out? are you going to be looking anorexic the next time I see you | 08:45 |
| @tavisto | my friends Nate and Kerry have fricken lost almost 50lbs a piece now.. They look totally different dude.. I actually stole some of their program and incorporated it in my routine | 08:47 |
| @rizen | no, i've lost 20 lbs, but that's where it stopped | 08:47 |
| @tavisto | not too shabby... that's like my left arm | 08:47 |
| @rizen | of course i haven't been sticking to it as rigidly as i should...going on vacation and all | 08:47 |
| @tavisto | riight | 08:47 |
| @rizen | i weigh nearly 2000 lbs, so that's only 1% of my body weight. can't really notice 1% | 08:48 |
| @tavisto | wow you carry it well | 08:49 |
| @tavisto | so does your lil civic hehe | 08:49 |
| @tavisto | actually though 20 is not too shabby. That's like half of one of those big ass dogfood bags | 08:49 |
| @rizen | for a while there i was going for the 1 ton mark, but i decided to let it settle off at 1900 lbs =) | 08:50 |
| @tavisto | that would be the equivalent of castrating me | 08:50 |
| @rizen | your sack is only 20lbs | 08:50 |
| @tavisto | hehe true | 08:50 |
| @rizen | each of my nuts is 100lbs, and the sack has got to be another 100lbs | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | boy the guys are in for a treat when they check the logs of this IRC chan tomorrow | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 08:51 |
| @rizen | yup, they've go pixie pillows, turd miners, and 100 lb balls | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | code.... code.... rizen's nuts..... code code.... castrating tavis...... code code..... punching someone in the ovaries..... | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | lol pixie | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | that's actually my kinda woman | 08:51 |
| @tavisto | yet I'm dating a blond chick with short hair and big fake boobs | 08:52 |
| @tavisto | wtf is wrong with me | 08:52 |
| @tavisto | hella cool girl tho | 08:52 |
| @rizen | interesting...i'm looking at the old tivo here and noticed that i've got two episodes of monster quest to make me laugh my ass off before i go to bed | 08:52 |
| @tavisto | NICE! | 08:52 |
| @tavisto | my bet is on cat hair | 08:52 |
| @rizen | one is a "Megahog" and the other is something about Ghosts | 08:53 |
| @tavisto | dude... do megahog | 08:53 |
| @rizen | so i'm going with Megahog. i bet it's really a dog | 08:53 |
| @tavisto | that just screams redneck | 08:53 |
| @rizen | "he didn't even look like a pig, it was some kind of monster" | 08:55 |
| @tavisto | rizen, I may not be able to attend HostingCon as I think I'm going to head to Washington to visit a friend and his wife. | 08:55 |
| @tavisto | i dunno if we're still planning on attending or not | 08:55 |
| @tavisto | it's the 28th thru 30th | 08:55 |
| @tavisto | chicago | 08:55 |
| @rizen | no, i'm waaaaay too busy | 08:55 |
| @tavisto | k good | 08:55 |
| @rizen | they've had 7 "eye witnesses" so far, and i don't think any of them know how many branches of government we have | 08:59 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 09:00 |
| @tavisto | hey do you know if we have enough points for a free airline ticket yet? I've been checking everyday for my Kalamazoo to PDX flight and they're expensive as shit at $550-$580 | 09:01 |
| @tavisto | through our amex | 09:01 |
| @tavisto | if you dont know I'll check with Vrby tomorrow | 09:01 |
| @rizen | i used a bunch of them and ended up wasting them | 09:02 |
| @tavisto | on a ticket? | 09:02 |
| @tavisto | did you get punked | 09:02 |
| @rizen | i transfereed them to tiffany's frontier airlines account to get her ticket to PDX | 09:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6638 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): extend assetMetaData values to 255 characters. update hoverhelp | 09:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6639 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fixed several ems migration bugs | 09:02 |
| @rizen | and then found out that portland is a blackout city for frontier | 09:02 |
| @rizen | you can't use points for it | 09:02 |
| @tavisto | ouch | 09:03 |
| @rizen | i also found out that you're limited to very few airlines...most of which you've never heard of | 09:03 |
| @tavisto | really? wow I thought their program was almost any airline | 09:04 |
| @rizen | so i think we'll be using the points to buy hotel rooms instead | 09:04 |
| @tavisto | sounds good | 09:04 |
| @rizen | they let you transfer points to the hilton system | 09:04 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 09:04 |
| @tavisto | that includes a whole line of hotels | 09:04 |
| @tavisto | ranging from Hampton inn to Hilton Garden and etc... That's where my buddy dan always gets his rooms | 09:04 |
| @rizen | there are about 20 airlines you can transfer to | 09:05 |
| @rizen | the only two i had heard of were frontier and southwest | 09:05 |
| @tavisto | good lord, I wonder how many of the 20 I haven't heard of are still in business | 09:06 |
| @tavisto | so what's the latest on monsterquest | 09:07 |
| @rizen | we'll have a bunch of points next month though, cuz this month i spent about 30k on new laptops | 09:07 |
| @tavisto | awesome | 09:07 |
| @rizen | they just killed a horse trying to track down the pig | 09:08 |
| @rizen | the guy was stupidly trying to ride up a rocky hill and the horse slipped and rolled | 09:08 |
| @rizen | and they cut the film there | 09:08 |
| @rizen | so i'm guessing it's dead | 09:08 |
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| @tavisto | oh nice. | 09:10 |
| @tavisto | was the guy on the horse? | 09:10 |
| @rizen | he jumped off as the horse rolled | 09:10 |
| @rizen | i take it back there was also jetblue and delta | 09:10 |
| @tavisto | that sux.. poor horsie | 09:10 |
| @tavisto | oh well delta is pretty decent :) | 09:11 |
| @tavisto | lol | 09:11 |
| @rizen | but jetblue is only east coast, and delta is mostly in the south | 09:11 |
| @tavisto | i dunno, I thought delta was around me quite a bit too | 09:11 |
| @rizen | the rest of their airlines are international carriers | 09:11 |
| @tavisto | ah okay | 09:11 |
| @rizen | air jamaca | 09:11 |
| @rizen | south african airways | 09:11 |
| @rizen | cathay pacific | 09:12 |
| @rizen | itc | 09:12 |
| @rizen | etc | 09:12 |
| @tavisto | eh mon! | 09:12 |
| @tavisto | south african airways.... flying death! | 09:12 |
| @rizen | they came back from commercial | 09:12 |
| @rizen | the horse actually survived | 09:13 |
| @rizen | but it took it 5 tries to stand | 09:13 |
| @rizen | on hotels amex does well though | 09:14 |
| @rizen | best western, radison, hilton, hyatt | 09:15 |
| @rizen | etc | 09:15 |
| @tavisto | excellent | 09:15 |
| @tavisto | damnit I think I'm going to arrive in Portland at 11am no matter what I do... downside.. my flight outta kzoo is at 6:30 | 09:16 |
| @tavisto | aiiiiie! | 09:16 |
| @tavisto | tavisto = not morning person | 09:16 |
| @rizen | i can't even explain how they say "hog" on this program | 09:19 |
| @rizen | the eye witnesses i mean | 09:20 |
| @rizen | they say 'haw ag' | 09:20 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 09:20 |
| @rizen | and there it is | 09:22 |
| @rizen | scientist: this is a domestic pig. it was raised domestic and released or escaped into the wild | 09:22 |
| @rizen | local: look at it's fur and tusks, it can't be a domestic pig | 09:23 |
| @rizen | scientist: it's skull characteristics are consistent with that of a domestic pig | 09:23 |
| @rizen | local: ain't nobody gonna tell me this ain't no monster hog | 09:24 |
| @rizen | scientist: a domestic pig can go feral (grow out thick brown hair) in less than 2 weeks after being released into the wild | 09:25 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | did they catch it? | 09:28 |
| @rizen | http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/157/20070525050159bn25hogrg9.jpg | 09:28 |
| @rizen | yes | 09:28 |
| @rizen | half dozen of them | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | holy crap | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | that's huge | 09:28 |
| @rizen | now they've captured a small wild pig and attached a camera to it | 09:29 |
| @tavisto | i had no idea that pigs get that big | 09:29 |
| @rizen | local: he's gonna bite, don't worry about it | 09:29 |
| @rizen | scientist: do you know how sharp those teeth are | 09:29 |
| @rizen | local: i got em, don't worry, he won't bite ya, i promise | 09:29 |
| @tavisto | hehe | 09:30 |
| @tavisto | someone is going to lose a finger | 09:30 |
| @rizen | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/images/050322_hogzilla3.jpg | 09:30 |
| @tavisto | well the first picture pig is huuuuge | 09:31 |
| @rizen | http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/images/MonsterRabbit.jpg | 09:31 |
| @tavisto | haha | 09:31 |
| @tavisto | that would explain it | 09:31 |
| @rizen | they don't have the skull of the one from those pictures | 09:32 |
| @rizen | but they do have the skull of one that was weighed when it was killed | 09:32 |
| @rizen | at weighed in at 1100 lbs | 09:32 |
| @rizen | and they have a normal pig skull and show that this pig is indeed HUGE | 09:33 |
| @rizen | but still a domestic pig skull, not a wild boar | 09:33 |
| @tavisto | wow so that really isn't a modified pic of the 1st pig | 09:33 |
| @tavisto | that is a monster... if I saw it I would be on that show too... | 09:33 |
| @rizen | it does appear that this particular monster is real | 09:34 |
| @rizen | however, the locals still refuse to believe that these pigs aren't being bread in the wild | 09:34 |
| @tavisto | heh | 09:34 |
| @tavisto | as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter because it could totally eff a human up and eat him | 09:35 |
| @rizen | another line from the scientist: there is plenty of food in the wild, but the food isn't high enough quality for them to grow this large | 09:35 |
| @tavisto | hmmm | 09:35 |
| @rizen | plus the wild hog they captured to put the video camera on....he's tiny | 09:36 |
| @rizen | i'm guessing sub 100 lbs | 09:36 |
| @rizen | i grew up on a pig farm...farm pigs are all much much much bigger | 09:37 |
| @rizen | the variety that my dad used to raise weighed in around 300lbs on average | 09:37 |
| @rizen | wow | 09:38 |
| @rizen | they just brought in a skull from the wild | 09:39 |
| @rizen | and the scientist said this is indeed a wild animal | 09:39 |
| @rizen | but the local said that it weighed over 700 lbs | 09:39 |
| @rizen | the scientist said, from the size of the skull this animal couldn't have weighed more than 400 lbs | 09:40 |
| @rizen | and more likely 300 | 09:40 |
| @rizen | now here's the exact quote from the local | 09:40 |
| @rizen | "just from doing it so much you can kinda get close. and i'm not givin you an official weight" | 09:41 |
| @tavisto | damn | 09:41 |
| @rizen | he eyeballed the weight | 09:41 |
| @rizen | he didn't even weigh the pig | 09:41 |
| @rizen | =) | 09:41 |
| @tavisto | of course he didn't. | 09:41 |
| @tavisto | because he's playing the role of the MORON | 09:41 |
| @tavisto | go get in your truck, drink a bud light, and drive your truck off a cliff | 09:41 |
| @rizen | 'hoeawg' | 09:43 |
| @rizen | maybe that's how they're saying it | 09:43 |
| @rizen | i can't figure out how you'd spell what they're saying | 09:43 |
| @rizen | it's definitely not hog | 09:43 |
| @rizen | and not eve hawg | 09:43 |
| @rizen | even | 09:44 |
| @tavisto | that's because you don't speak hillbilly | 09:44 |
| @tavisto | even though it's on the translation.webgui.org server | 09:44 |
| @rizen | last quote from a local: "there are giant hoeages, definitely big giant hoeages" | 09:46 |
| @rizen | on to ghosts | 09:46 |
| @rizen | no narration this time | 09:46 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 09:46 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6640 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): fixed some problems with the new asset manager. restored functionality to search with the hope of making the asset data table an API we can use in all the places we display tables of assets | 12:06 |
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| a_ok | can spectre do its thing for more than one apache server on one machine? | 12:45 |
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| @preaction | yes | 12:51 |
| @preaction | theoretically you could even have more than one machine | 12:51 |
| @preaction | that's what the spectreIp and spectrePort settings are in your webgui config file | 12:51 |
| a_ok | preaction: sorry was out for lunch, manny thanks | 13:33 |
| a_ok | i am trying to make webgui work without a proxy server. Howerver i need some url's to be handled by apache and not trough webgui. how can I prevent that from happening? | 13:39 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:10 |
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| topsub | hey, I need to do a multi site setup. How did you guys do the webgui and plainblack site? | 17:42 |
| topsub | Is that documented anywere? | 17:43 |
| @rizen | not documented anywhere | 17:52 |
| @rizen | but by multi-site, do you mean two sites 1 database, or just multiple sites per server? | 17:52 |
| topsub | 2 sites 1 database | 17:52 |
| topsub | i need to set this up for a client | 17:52 |
| topsub | but we will have around 17 sites i believe in total at the end of the project | 17:53 |
| @rizen | the number of sites is irrelevent | 17:54 |
| topsub | ya | 17:54 |
| @rizen | just create a new home page for each in the root of your asset tree | 17:54 |
| @rizen | each with different styles | 17:54 |
| @rizen | and each with a starting url that you can identify (ie not home1, home2 | 17:54 |
| @rizen | but rather /pb /webgui | 17:55 |
| @rizen | that sort of thing | 17:55 |
| topsub | alright i follow | 17:55 |
| @rizen | then you have to add some virtual host fanciness to make sure that your domain is pointed to the right root home page | 17:56 |
| topsub | think thats were i am stuck | 17:56 |
| @rizen | RewriteRule ^/$ http://www.plainblack.com:8081/wg [P] | 17:57 |
| @rizen | RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.plainblack.com:8081/$1 [P] | 17:57 |
| @rizen | i created a webgui.org vhost file in the wore | 17:57 |
| @rizen | wre | 17:57 |
| @rizen | and added those two lines | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | so Rizen, how was the vampire episode last night? Thumbs up or down | 17:57 |
| @rizen | so the first one says, if the url ends in / (ie no page url is defined) then proxy the /wg page | 17:58 |
| @rizen | the second rule says, if a specific url is defined, use that instead | 17:58 |
| topsub | ah | 17:58 |
| topsub | i see | 17:58 |
| topsub | awesome! | 17:58 |
| topsub | doesnt' sound hard at all | 17:58 |
| @rizen | its not | 17:58 |
| @rizen | just have to know the trick | 17:58 |
| topsub | the rewriterule is the linking peice for me | 17:59 |
| topsub | thanks rizen | 17:59 |
| topsub | Think i can do it now | 17:59 |
| @rizen | i didn't watch the vampire episode...that was earlier in the week | 17:59 |
| @rizen | last night it was ghosts | 17:59 |
| @rizen | topsub, great, but now that i've helped you out with that, tell william to get off my back about thingy report =) | 17:59 |
| topsub | lol well i agree with him... thingy is limited | 18:00 |
| topsub | i will let him know tho! | 18:00 |
| @rizen | and the ghosts episode was boring...because the ghost hunter tpeople all have their act nailed down | 18:00 |
| @rizen | thingy is unlimited | 18:00 |
| topsub | if anything we will see you next week to discuss =) | 18:00 |
| topsub | well in the reporting side of things | 18:01 |
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| perlDreamer | okay, what's the scoop? | 18:01 |
| @rizen | scoop? | 18:03 |
| perlDreamer | are we still in bugfix mode? | 18:03 |
| @tavisto | ghost hunting is boring in general.. it's always fake | 18:03 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer is silly | 18:04 |
| @rizen | is the bug list clean? | 18:04 |
| perlDreamer | nope | 18:04 |
| @rizen | if not, then we're still in | 18:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6641 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (4 files): Layout changes to templates for Product, Subscription, My Purchases and My Purchases Details | 18:05 |
| perlDreamer | very good | 18:05 |
| @rizen | i worked all night trying to clean up upgrade bugs | 18:05 |
| @rizen | still am not done with that | 18:05 |
| perlDreamer | upgrade bugs? with the EMS or in general? | 18:05 |
| @rizen | in general | 18:05 |
| @rizen | started with ems, but then ran into some problems migrating payment gateway configurations | 18:06 |
| @rizen | just got my first clean build 1 minute ago | 18:06 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 18:06 |
| perlDreamer | does meatbop have an AIM account? | 18:06 |
| @rizen | but now i have to test to make sure the site works | 18:06 |
| @rizen | yes he does | 18:06 |
| @rizen | i'll tell him to join irc though | 18:07 |
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| Meatbop | I hear someone was looking for me? | 18:08 |
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| @tavisto | yeah punk.. where is my money? | 18:08 |
| Meatbop | check's in the mail | 18:08 |
| slickware1 | woah hello to you too | 18:08 |
| @tavisto | I'm gonna have to send 2 guidos to come break your knee caps | 18:08 |
| @tavisto | lol not you slick | 18:09 |
| slickware1 | ha I know, I'm all paid up | 18:09 |
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| Meatbop | whatever you think you can afford | 18:09 |
| @tavisto | yep you are.. you are an official ageny hoster studmuffin... according to Colin anyway | 18:09 |
| perlDreamer | Meatbop: The subscription hasAddedToCart works for me | 18:10 |
| slickware1 | just a muffin at the moment. once they are converted to paying clients i will add the stud part | 18:10 |
| slickware1 | my goal is to do as little design work as possible and sell the shit out of the webgui aspect | 18:12 |
| slickware1 | luckily it sells itself with a live demo | 18:12 |
| @tavisto | amen brotha | 18:13 |
| perlDreamer | does anyone know if the calendar list view is in 7.5 only, or in both 7.4 or 7.5? | 18:22 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: I need to cross-branch package fix/merge help | 18:24 |
| @Haarg | calendar list is 7.5 | 18:25 |
| perlDreamer | sweet, thanks | 18:25 |
| perlDreamer | next question :) | 18:25 |
| perlDreamer | I committed a package with a fixed template in 7.5, but need to backport it to 7.4 as well | 18:25 |
| @Haarg | which template? | 18:25 |
| perlDreamer | layout/news | 18:26 |
| perlDreamer | url is plainblacknews | 18:26 |
| @Haarg | ok, are you having a problem with it? | 18:26 |
| perlDreamer | Where should I put it? packages-7.5.11 or packages-7.4.?? | 18:26 |
| perlDreamer | in the same place in both branches? | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | packages-7.4.x | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | for 7.4 that is | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | packages-7.5.11 for 7.5 | 18:27 |
| perlDreamer | so when you upgrade to the 7.5 branch, you'd get it applied twice? | 18:27 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 18:27 |
| perlDreamer | as long as that's cool with y'all, I'll do it. | 18:27 |
| slickware1 | Is there still the "small calendar" view in 7.5 ? | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | we're going to have a lot of fiddling to do with the 7.4->7.5 patch | 18:28 |
| @Haarg | small calendar? | 18:28 |
| perlDreamer | slickware1: that's a custom template that I developed for 7.4 in the Add Ons section. | 18:28 |
| perlDreamer | it would need some fiddling but it should be easy for an agency hoster to figure out ;) | 18:28 |
| slickware1 | custom template? one of my old v5 sites has smallcalendar as an option | 18:29 |
| perlDreamer | the 7.4/7.5 calendar does not come with a small calendar template in the default install | 18:32 |
| perlDreamer | since lots of people were asking for it, I made one | 18:32 |
| perlDreamer | but it's probably out of date | 18:32 |
| slickware1 | shame | 18:32 |
| slickware1 | big Calendar is just SO big | 18:32 |
| @tavisto | yes it is | 18:33 |
| @tavisto | and rigid | 18:33 |
| slickware1 | oh, I remember my other question. | 18:33 |
| slickware1 | there used to be a way to expire content on a certain date/time, but I don't see it. Did that disappear or do I have to turn it on somewhere? | 18:33 |
| perlDreamer | it went away, but it's coming back in 7.5.11 | 18:33 |
| slickware1 | tavisto: i think you mean big and turgid. or engorged. | 18:34 |
| slickware1 | perlDreamer: really - that's an extremely useful feature... is there a workaround until then? people have asked me for it | 18:34 |
| perlDreamer | the workaround is to download the old template and figure out what needs to be changed (if anything) | 18:35 |
| @tavisto | no, I meant rigid, do a define:rigid on google :) | 18:35 |
| slickware1 | perlDreamer: i meant the "expire content on" feature | 18:36 |
| perlDreamer | oh, that? I believe that it can be done with cron job version tags | 18:36 |
| perlDreamer | but ask that question on the PB support boards | 18:36 |
| perlDreamer | where you'll get real answers | 18:37 |
| slickware1 | is that something a user would even be able to figure out? | 18:37 |
| slickware1 | a lot of my clients are chambers of commerce, who basically post their upcoming events as big articles, and would like to see them expire on the day after they are over | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | it's not a simple process | 18:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6642 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a CSS class typo in the layout/news template | 18:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6643 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport fix for the layout/news template | 18:37 |
| @Haarg | you need to create a workflow specifically for it etc | 18:38 |
| slickware1 | damn | 18:38 |
| slickware1 | that was a great feature in v5 | 18:38 |
| @rizen | 7.5 has the feature once again | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | that's why it's coming back :) | 18:38 |
| slickware1 | oh ok, so it is coming back | 18:38 |
| slickware1 | good | 18:38 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, did you happen to notice when looking at the character set issue if it reset the not null restriction? | 18:39 |
| perlDreamer | I don't remember. | 18:39 |
| @Haarg | ok, i'll double check | 18:40 |
| slickware1 | tavis: when you used to agency host, if a feature "disappeared" from a version on an upgrade, what did you tell your clients if they actually noticed it was missing? | 18:40 |
| @tavisto | there were quite a few times in 6.x where this happened but it was because of bugs | 18:45 |
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| perlDreamer | most things that disappeared in 6.x were replaced with better stuff | 18:46 |
| @tavisto | ok, guess he didn't like my answer | 18:46 |
| perlDreamer | things that disappeared: macros that were security holes | 18:46 |
| perlDreamer | and the timed content function | 18:46 |
| @tavisto | yeah, you said that's coming back? a start and end date? | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | khenn built it, I think | 18:47 |
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| @tavisto | excellent, I've assisted some users that will appreciate that | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | slickware: most things that disappeared in 6.x were replaced with better stuff | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | things that disappeared: macros that were security holes | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | and the timed content function | 18:47 |
| slickware | that's understandable | 18:47 |
| slickware | (and the small calendar) :) | 18:48 |
| @tavisto | slick, most of the time when it happened it was because of bugs preventing stuff from working the same way.. and was only temporary | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | that's just a template. The ability to make that is there. | 18:48 |
| @tavisto | but yeah the new list view makes the calendar much more flexible.. I would like to see a smaller version again too | 18:48 |
| slickware | list view is pretty good | 18:48 |
| @khenn | khenn built what? | 18:50 |
| @khenn | oh timed start and end dates yes | 18:51 |
| @khenn | but they work on version tags | 18:51 |
| @khenn | not individual pieces of content | 18:51 |
| @khenn | so at the very least you need to have the commit screen enabled to use it | 18:51 |
| slickware | is that in the new version? | 18:53 |
| @bopbop | I don't understand why the change was made for 7.5.11 to have the version tags "hidden" | 18:53 |
| @khenn | slickware: yes | 18:53 |
| @khenn | 7.5.11 | 18:53 |
| slickware | so what does that mean for a user | 18:54 |
| slickware | there still won't be a "great" way to expire one piece of content? | 18:54 |
| @khenn | it means they can set a date that they would like a version tag to appear or expire on a page | 18:54 |
| @bopbop | if have that one piece of content the only thing in the version tag it's fine | 18:54 |
| @khenn | right | 18:54 |
| @khenn | have one thing in the version tag | 18:54 |
| slickware | damn it, so turning off version tags is going to kick me in the ass | 18:55 |
| @khenn | version tags still exist behind the scenes | 18:55 |
| @khenn | you'll need to enable the commit screen though | 18:55 |
| @tavisto | slick you mean have request auto commit enabled? | 18:55 |
| @khenn | you can have auto commit on | 18:55 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: some customers violently hated version control, so in the interest in making "Default" WebGUI easy to use, the default was to make auto-commit and auto-comment enabled. | 18:56 |
| @khenn | as long as you enable the commit comments screen you'll be able to see the dates | 18:56 |
| @bopbop | did the majority "violently hate" it? | 18:56 |
| slickware | i violently hate it | 18:56 |
| @khenn | heh | 18:56 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know what kind of polling was done. | 18:56 |
| slickware | for me, it's the equivalent of macOSX asking you every time "are you sure?" | 18:57 |
| @bopbop | I just wonder if the change was made to silence the minority | 18:57 |
| @bopbop | and now the majority is going to grumble... | 18:57 |
| perlDreamer | I get your point. | 18:57 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto hops in his humvee and mans the 50cal* | 18:58 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: every sub-sku seems to have a thank you message. At some point we might want to consider pushing that back into Sku | 18:59 |
| perlDreamer | but not today :) | 18:59 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer...i don't really like the thank you message. i just don't know what to do that's better | 19:00 |
| @rizen | until we figure out a good way to deal with it, i'd rather not generalize it | 19:00 |
| perlDreamer | not a problem | 19:00 |
| @rizen | also...the EMS subskus don't have it and don't need it | 19:00 |
| @rizen | cuz they are added to the cart via ajax calls | 19:00 |
| @tavisto | Kristi if I remember correctly, that was done for ease of use | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | I understand, I'm just thinking for those "average" users who like to work in inline so they can keep seeing their work | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | it's just one more step now to make that possible | 19:01 |
| @bopbop | but .... people are lazy and will resent it | 19:02 |
| @rizen | bopbop: its not just members of the community that hate version tags, it's also a big portion of our clients. they were all (most) asking for versioning, and i said "are you sure, do you understand the implications of that" and they said "yes yes, just do it" | 19:02 |
| @rizen | butnow that it's there, people don't like it | 19:02 |
| @rizen | at least until it saves their ass | 19:02 |
| @rizen | then they love it | 19:02 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:02 |
| @tavisto | wow, I was unaware | 19:02 |
| @bopbop | I see both views, I'm just curious to see what happens | 19:03 |
| perlDreamer | someone will scream really loud, and we'll change WebGUI again | 19:03 |
| @rizen | existing sites will be uneffected | 19:03 |
| @rizen | it's only new sites that will have it turned off by default | 19:03 |
| @bopbop | even in the upgrade? | 19:03 |
| @bopbop | ok | 19:03 |
| @bopbop | so we won't be changing the status quo on anyone | 19:04 |
| @rizen | correct | 19:04 |
| @bopbop | then it won't be a big deal, probably | 19:04 |
| @khenn | right | 19:04 |
| @rizen | we do need a new video in webgui though | 19:04 |
| @rizen | cuz the current one shows using version tags | 19:04 |
| @khenn | rizen: do you want me to remove the entire js folder? | 19:05 |
| @khenn | from extras? | 19:05 |
| @rizen | yes | 19:05 |
| @khenn | or is there something else in there being used? | 19:05 |
| @khenn | k | 19:05 |
| perlDreamer | values for a user's profile are created when they register with data from Visitor, right? | 19:11 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6644 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add a thank you message to the FlatDiscount/Coupon | 19:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6645 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): commerce bug fixes | 19:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6646 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_webgui-7-style-3.wgpkg: Made a few graphical changes to Style 3 to accommodate the new dropdown menu | 19:20 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6647 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: remove all reference to CDG | 19:20 |
| Meatbop | I'm getting a "Data error" when trying to view any templates in the Shop folder, anyone else experiencing that? | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | Meatbop, is that in the AssetManager? | 19:23 |
| Meatbop | yep | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | okay, that's a javascript problem with the new assetManager that preaction has cooked up. | 19:23 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: not sure anymore, that used to be true, but now i think it might get created from the defaults. just can't remember | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | It just means that it has no children | 19:23 |
| Meatbop | really? did the templates that were in it get moved out? | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | I'll check | 19:24 |
| Meatbop | plus, if it doesn't have children, it shouldn't have the + next to the folder name, should it? | 19:25 |
| @khenn | perlDreamer: can we remove www/extras/operations/salesTaxAjax.js ? | 19:28 |
| @khenn | I assume that was for the old sales tax stuff in commerce | 19:28 |
| @khenn | and is no longer used | 19:28 |
| perlDreamer | khenn: yes | 19:28 |
| perlDreamer | all the new sales tax uses YUI | 19:28 |
| @khenn | alright, I'm going to remove it | 19:28 |
| perlDreamer | Meatbop, what's the URL for that folder? | 19:29 |
| perlDreamer | the assetManager isn't paginating for me anymore | 19:29 |
| Meatbop | shopping-cart-collateral-items | 19:29 |
| perlDreamer | that's a bug | 19:30 |
| @tavisto | hey guys I'm assuming that existing transactions from the old e-commerce system will be retained and migrated into the new transaction reporting? | 19:32 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: it looks like old transactions are migrated | 19:35 |
| Meatbop | perlDreamer: if that's the case, how does one go about modifying the various templates within the folder? | 19:35 |
| @tavisto | okay great. For some reason I have never asked that question. :) | 19:35 |
| @rizen | tavisto, the old transactions will be printed on toilet paper, rolled in mud, and flushed down the toilet | 19:36 |
| slickware | that's basically how i store all my receipts | 19:37 |
| @tavisto | uh huh.... laugh it up Rizen, just wait until I show you my new HHO gas powered Lightsaber at wuc prep... | 19:38 |
| perlDreamer | Meatbop: good question. I'll see if I can find a way | 19:38 |
| perlDreamer | Meatbop: manually enter the URL for the folder with admin turned on | 19:39 |
| perlDreamer | the folder will give you a list of editing controls for the templates inside | 19:39 |
| Meatbop | gotcha, it's just the asset manager is hosed, the template for displaying them isn't | 19:40 |
| Meatbop | makes sense | 19:40 |
| perlDreamer | wait a sec, that's not the URL for the templates, that's the collateral? | 19:40 |
| perlDreamer | another way is to drop an asset, hit edit, use the display tab and there will be an edit button next to each template | 19:41 |
| Meatbop | right, I just knew the cart template was in that folder and was like, Um... what?, when I got that error | 19:41 |
| perlDreamer | it worked last night, but I see that there have been some updates to it since then | 19:42 |
| @khenn | how come that CIA bot doesn't report my commits? | 19:43 |
| @Haarg | it usually takes a while for them to show up | 19:45 |
| perlDreamer | it's constipated | 19:47 |
| perlDreamer | it's anti-Tank | 19:47 |
| ckotil | khenn is NSA | 19:48 |
| perlDreamer | since khenn is invisible to radar, CIA doesn't see him | 19:48 |
| @khenn | stealth commits INC! | 19:48 |
| slickware | it's the tinfoil hat | 19:48 |
| @khenn | l337 haxx0r | 19:49 |
| @khenn | =) | 19:49 |
| slickware | alright Zero Cool, calm down | 19:50 |
| perlDreamer | CIA-6 needs some Bots-Lax | 19:51 |
| slickware | woo... my WGDesignGuide just showed up | 19:54 |
| slickware | time to go retire to the bathroom :-D | 19:54 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: did you already check this bug in your rewrite of the DataForm? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/data-form-deletes-files-on-resave | 20:02 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it doesn't apply to 7.5 | 20:02 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 20:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6648 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (3 files in 2 dirs): removed this directory as it is legacy code for the old commerce system. | 20:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6649 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix bad css in the default wiki page template | 20:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6650 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting the bad css fix for the default wiki page | 20:07 |
| @rizen | hey colin, found a bug in product conversion | 20:08 |
| @rizen | sorry, should use "perlDreamer" so it beeps at you | 20:08 |
| @rizen | products that didn't have variants don't appear to get a name in the add to cart dropdown list | 20:08 |
| @tavisto | gah, squash that | 20:08 |
| perlDreamer | I'll look at it | 20:09 |
| perlDreamer | I mentioned this in passing to Meatbob, but the assetManager is borked. | 20:09 |
| @rizen | Meatbop...our products section is going to need some serious help after tonights upgrade | 20:09 |
| @rizen | the new template you created are wreaking havoc...but that's somewhat to be expected | 20:10 |
| Meatbop | yeah I suppose so | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I think I have a fix for that. I'm testing it now. | 20:33 |
| perlDreamer | fixed | 20:35 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6651 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: make sure that commerce products with no variants still have a sku variant created for them with a title | 20:35 |
| perlDreamer | khenn: I keep seeing this in my webgui.log file: WebGUI::VersionTag::set[520] - Didn't find startTime | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | how about you, khenn_, do you recognize that? | 20:38 |
| khenn_ | no | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | khenn is polymorphic | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | it looks like debug code for an upgrade test | 20:45 |
| @khenn | yeah | 20:45 |
| @khenn | let me do a serach for it | 20:45 |
| perlDreamer | It's VersionTag.pm, line 520 | 20:46 |
| @khenn | yeah that's a debug message I forgot to take out | 20:48 |
| @khenn | I'll fix it | 20:48 |
| perlDreamer | it's already gone :) | 20:48 |
| perlDreamer | this isn't going to make me more popular, but I think we should revert the last patch to the new AssetManager to let it work again | 20:49 |
| @rizen | you know what i say | 20:59 |
| perlDreamer | "coolio" ? :) | 21:00 |
| perlDreamer | Gotta go pick up the kids from school, be back in half an hour or so | 21:00 |
| slickware | hey JT since you're in here, I did some research on flights and everything, thank you for the invite but I can't make it for the pre-WUC thing | 21:03 |
| @rizen | understood | 21:04 |
| slickware | my goal is to be so kick-assingly up to my eyeballs in WG sites by next year that I will not only attend, but present as well | 21:04 |
| @rizen | that's a good goal | 21:10 |
| @rizen | and if marketed properly,shouldn't be a problem at all. | 21:10 |
| @rizen | we've had several hosters go from zero to 50 sites in a year. | 21:11 |
| slickware | i believe it | 21:12 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6652 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm: use exists instead of iterating over all keys and doing string comparisons | 21:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6653 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm: remove debug code from VersionTag | 21:18 |
| @tavisto | bah, I still don't know why anyone would use WebGUI when you could use OpenCMS | 21:21 |
| @tavisto | oops </sarcasm> | 21:22 |
| @apeiron | Two words. Ja-va. | 21:22 |
| slickware | joomla? :) | 21:22 |
| @tavisto | *tavis pukes* | 21:22 |
| slickware | lol | 21:22 |
| ckotil | i used joomla a couple years ago for a senior project. i hated it. then i found webgui | 21:23 |
| slickware | it's gotten better but it's still not as good | 21:23 |
| @tavisto | I still think we should execute a raid and physical takeover of the joomla booth at OSCON. Those Joomla nerds are tiny and we can easily take them. Think of the great publicity we would get out of the deal | 21:25 |
| @apeiron | nono, mental takeovers are more fun. | 21:25 |
| @apeiron | "Fetch me some lemonade, Joomla person!" | 21:25 |
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| @bopbop | is there a way to do a one to many comparison in thingy: say I have one person as an entry in one thing, and in another thing I have a number of items- I want to be able to link one person up to many items and can't seem to do it | 21:32 |
| @bopbop | I guess that's not really a comparison, but you know what I mean | 21:36 |
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| @rizen | bopbop: no, the current way to handle that is to link it the other way around | 21:44 |
| @rizen | you link the person from the item | 21:45 |
| @rizen | rather than the items to the person | 21:45 |
| @rizen | s/to/from/ | 21:45 |
| @bopbop | ok, I'll give it a try | 21:45 |
| perlDreamer | I'm back | 21:46 |
| @rizen | i'm back put it in motion | 21:47 |
| @rizen | i'm back to tell you no lies | 21:47 |
| slickware | let me tell you how glad i am this isn't xbox-live with microphones | 21:47 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer: no you cannot destroy preactions hard work and tell him that he's a stupid moron that shouldn't exist | 21:47 |
| @rizen | that's just mean and wrong | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | okay, I'll limit the derogatory comments to his code and employer, then. | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: the assetManager is broken. To be specific, try to paginate in the Import node | 21:50 |
| @preaction | k, ill fix it | 21:51 |
| perlDreamer | last night's patch seems to be the culprit | 21:51 |
| @tavisto | Rizen, Todd Bernstein at Corp Telecomm was kinda frustrated b/c they were having probs installing wG on their windows box | 21:51 |
| @tavisto | then they wiped a server and started resh | 21:51 |
| @tavisto | fresh | 21:51 |
| @tavisto | and he just emailed me this?: | 21:51 |
| @rizen | i told you we shouldn't support windows | 21:52 |
| @rizen | but you wouldn't listen | 21:52 |
| @tavisto | There was basically ONE step that could be explained a bit better. But once I worked my way around that everything went good.Ironically putting the documentation aside it was EASIER than Joomla. | 21:52 |
| @tavisto | what do you mean I didnt listen | 21:52 |
| @rizen | did he tell you what the one step was? | 21:52 |
| @tavisto | you told me that yesterday and I've been selling him on wG for 2.5 weeks | 21:52 |
| slickware | it was "put in the ubuntu cd" | 21:52 |
| @rizen | so that we could explain it better | 21:52 |
| @rizen | hehe | 21:53 |
| @tavisto | I emailed him to see what it is | 21:53 |
| @rizen | i like slickware's response best | 21:53 |
| @tavisto | they're a small biz and they use Windows obviously | 21:53 |
| @rizen | tavisto, you're fired. slickware, you're hired. | 21:53 |
| slickware | i wouldve said debian, but i'm a moron and ubuntu is easier to install :) | 21:53 |
| @tavisto | i hate you all | 21:53 |
| @rizen | they use windows obviously? as opposed to using windows in an opaque manner? | 21:53 |
| @tavisto | I'm taking my toys and going home | 21:54 |
| slickware | that must mean they use Vista | 21:54 |
| slickware | apparently everything in Vista is obvious | 21:54 |
| @preaction | except how they organized the control panel | 21:56 |
| slickware | oh god | 21:56 |
| slickware | i tried to reconfigure a wireless connection the other day | 21:56 |
| @rizen | preaction, no one was talking to you, and then you just have to come out and start blathering everyone, SHUT UP | 21:56 |
| @tavisto | at present there still is no business value in upgrading to vista | 21:56 |
| slickware | it was like installing wG... 5x | 21:56 |
| @preaction | b-b-b-but colin! | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | oop here we go.. preaction is now fired | 21:57 |
| @rizen | SHUT IT | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | you know what sucks? | 21:57 |
| slickware | osX ? | 21:57 |
| @rizen | don't make me come over there and force you to drink a big glass of shut up juice | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | getting fired all the time and still having to keep our workload | 21:57 |
| @preaction | why come over here when i have to come over there tomorrow? | 21:57 |
| @rizen | that's it, slickware is fired | 21:57 |
| @tavisto | it just doesn't seem right | 21:57 |
| @rizen | preaction, are you still talking? | 21:58 |
| slickware | damn it... who will take over for my important position | 21:58 |
| @preaction | no | 21:58 |
| @tavisto | FIRED FIRED FIRED! | 21:58 |
| @tavisto | Company is renamed to PlainSmith | 21:58 |
| @rizen | slickware said something bad about osx and was therefore dismissed and will be summarily executed at noon tomorrow | 21:58 |
| slickware | wow | 21:58 |
| @tavisto | slick, you DO know we are a MAC shop right? | 21:58 |
| slickware | i thought you were all debian whore | 21:59 |
| @rizen | he was just hired, he didn't get is mac yet | 21:59 |
| slickware | whores* | 21:59 |
| @tavisto | jt is a whore.. but a tiny pillow whore | 21:59 |
| Meatbop | I don't even know what that means, but I like it | 21:59 |
| @rizen | preaction, you may talk now | 21:59 |
| perlDreamer | ENOUGH! | 21:59 |
| @preaction | yay! | 21:59 |
| perlDreamer | Knock it off of I'll have SynQ come in here and start talking about eggs. | 22:00 |
| slickware | really, a mac shop... i'm impressed | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | and we all know that we don't want that | 22:00 |
| slickware | have you always been, or was it a recent switch? | 22:00 |
| @tavisto | yep JT is addicted to meth, crack, russian brides, and macs | 22:00 |
| slickware | maybe that's why i'm having a hard time transitioning to 7x :) | 22:00 |
| @tavisto | don't tell anyone.. but Plain Black is actually just a cult and we recruit through giving away "free candy" (aka webgui) | 22:01 |
| @rizen | slickware, blame bopbop, she wrote the books | 22:01 |
| slickware | stupid remanufactured toner cartridges... my color laser is spewing yellow toner out the sides | 22:01 |
| slickware | haha I think i've already chastised her for the books | 22:02 |
| * rizen makes a mental note to find a way to fire slickware again for making negative comments about our books and 7x | 22:02 | |
| slickware | haha | 22:02 |
| @bopbop | am I fired too, then? | 22:03 |
| slickware | i just got the designer's guide today - it seems much better than the admin guide :) | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | Maybe firing is like making charcoal. You burn it once, then burn it again. | 22:03 |
| snapcount | you could write a recursive fired method | 22:03 |
| snapcount | more efficient | 22:03 |
| @rizen | that's cuz i wrote the admin guide | 22:03 |
| slickware | or like pottery - that way we can all get glazed | 22:03 |
| @rizen | and i suck | 22:03 |
| @rizen | i can't fire you bopbop | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | He needs you to rewrite the admin guide :) | 22:03 |
| @rizen | ryan would never talk to me again | 22:03 |
| @rizen | =) | 22:03 |
| @tavisto | well you don't really need an admin guide though slickware | 22:03 |
| slickware | not anymore | 22:04 |
| slickware | i outsourced! | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | that's why I pointed you to the design guide | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | it's perfect for what you do.. and what you're going thru | 22:04 |
| slickware | i was hoping the design guide would come with a +4 creativity bonus | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | you'll be much happier on agency hosting.. trust me | 22:04 |
| @bopbop | rizen: actually, ryan would probably apply for my job | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | you'll finally be able to turn off that 386 you have running in your basement. | 22:04 |
| @bopbop | then we'd really have some confused users | 22:04 |
| slickware | hey tavis, it's a DUAL 386 | 22:05 |
| slickware | don't knock it | 22:05 |
| @tavisto | same thign | 22:05 |
| @tavisto | thing | 22:05 |
| slickware | lol | 22:05 |
| slickware | actually... up until about a year ago, wG was running for me reliably on a dual500mhz PII with 256mb of ram | 22:05 |
| @preaction | you mean you can run windows 3.1 AND the latest in 8-bit video game awesomeitude? | 22:05 |
| slickware | it might even have been my default redhat7.2 install | 22:06 |
| slickware | OLDschool | 22:06 |
| @apeiron | yay 8bit | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | at one point, my weight was over 8 bits | 22:21 |
| perlDreamer | you know how hard it is to find a 9-bit register? | 22:21 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 2 ** 8 | 22:21 |
| perlbot | 256 | 22:21 |
| @preaction | that's why God made Doubles | 22:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6654 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: fixed a JS error in the asset manager | 22:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6655 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed asset manager pagination | 22:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6656 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: silence upgrade script with quiet option | 22:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6657 /WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl: upgrade script should exit with error status on failure | 22:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6658 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: ensure correct database defaults | 22:22 |
| perlDreamer | preaction++ | 22:22 |
| perlDreamer | um, for fixing assetManager | 22:23 |
| perlDreamer | if you've even done more than multi-byte math by hard, you'd know that doubles aren't all they're cracked up to be. | 22:24 |
| @preaction | longs then? | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | no longs on an 8-bit | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | signed or unsigned | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | or floats | 22:24 |
| @preaction | shows what i know | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | which store the exponent and mantissa in separate bytes | 22:25 |
| perlDreamer | I built a microprocessor (microPIC) 3 years ago | 22:25 |
| perlDreamer | khenn: I think I have a startTime bug | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | do you want me to submit it to the board, or do you want the details here? | 22:29 |
| perlDreamer | It's on the board | 22:34 |
| @rizen | graham told me about this great program for OSX | 22:40 |
| @rizen | i was complaining at the beginning of the day that my hard drive was full and i couldn't figure out why | 22:40 |
| @rizen | but i only had 2 gigs free | 22:40 |
| @rizen | he gave me the link to Disk Inventory X http://www.derlien.com/ | 22:41 |
| @rizen | and i found that 40 gigs was being eaten up by just 4 fies | 22:41 |
| @rizen | files | 22:41 |
| slickware | lol | 22:41 |
| slickware | "2girls1cup"... | 22:42 |
| slickware | "debbiedoesdallas-HiDef"... | 22:42 |
| @rizen | and it was crap i didn't need...no it was all video clips from the 2007 wuc that i was editing together at one point | 22:42 |
| @rizen | basically just junk that iMovie left laying around | 22:42 |
| * apeiron wrote a Perl program to do that, years ago | 22:47 | |
| @apeiron | Not quite so in-depth, of course--would just find the largest files in a tree. | 22:47 |
| perlDreamer | I can't add any assets anymore | 22:49 |
| @preaction | that's not good | 22:49 |
| @rizen | is it because you have too many? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | why not? | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | Caught exception executing workflow activity vtagactivity0000000002 for instance 4BKxJDlAzaA-QulWS6rCeA which reported The 'hour' parameter (undef) to DateTime::new was an 'undef', which is not one of the allowed types: scalar | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/WaitUntil.pm line 98 | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | WaitUntil seems to be in the default commit workflow now | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | autocreated versionTags don't have startTimes perhaps? | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | khenn: did you commit _all_ the files for versionTag startTime, endTime? | 22:55 |
| slickware | isn't there a diskuse command for *nix? | 22:55 |
| perlDreamer | du | 22:55 |
| @khenn | yes | 22:55 |
| @khenn | I should have committed everything | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | How does one set the startTag for a versionTag? | 22:56 |
| slickware | i used to do something like #diskuse -h | cat > bigfiles.txt | 22:56 |
| @khenn | you have to enable the comments screen | 22:56 |
| slickware | and then throw bigfiles.txt into excel and sort by size | 22:56 |
| slickware | simple | 22:56 |
| @khenn | the upgrade should set default start and end times for everything | 22:56 |
| @khenn | for existing version tags | 22:57 |
| @khenn | unless someone removed it | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | right, but let's suppose I have autocommit and autocomment turned on. Then I try to add an article. | 22:57 |
| @khenn | I tested that | 22:57 |
| @khenn | it should work fine | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think it does | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | I can't get anything to commit on my dev site | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | using all 7.5 defaults | 22:58 |
| @khenn | is the asset manager still borked? | 22:58 |
| @khenn | or was it fixed? | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | it's fixed | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | preaction fixed it a while ago | 22:58 |
| @khenn | I dunno PD, I'm not able to look at it right now | 22:59 |
| slickware | oh boy, staff meeting. see y'all | 22:59 |
| @khenn | soon as I get YUI in the PM I'll look at it | 22:59 |
| perlDreamer | thanks | 22:59 |
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| @khenn | incidentally I'm using the default install as well and committing things fine so maybe there's a corner case I missed | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | this is what I'm doing | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | resetdev | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | reset apache | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | log in as admin, turn on admin | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | try to add an article | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | it never shows up | 23:02 |
| @khenn | I did exactly that yesterday | 23:03 |
| @khenn | except added a Project Manager | 23:03 |
| @khenn | I haven't updated since then | 23:03 |
| @khenn | colin | 23:06 |
| @khenn | I just did an update | 23:06 |
| @khenn | and I can't commit | 23:06 |
| @khenn | anymore | 23:06 |
| @khenn | so it's something that happened today | 23:06 |
| perlDreamer | I think I found it, and I did it | 23:07 |
| perlDreamer | I'll fix it | 23:07 |
| @khenn | k | 23:07 |
| @khenn | let me know when it's fixed cause you are crampin my dev =p | 23:07 |
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| * perlDreamer will serve up some crow | 23:11 | |
| @khenn | is it fixed? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | how bout now | 23:13 |
| @rizen | now? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | is it fixed? | 23:13 |
| @khenn | now? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | how abot now? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | are we there yet? | 23:13 |
| @rizen | can i go outside and play? | 23:14 |
| @rizen | im hungry | 23:14 |
| @khenn | don't know, not there yet, yes you can go outside, you have to wait until dinner to eat | 23:14 |
| @rizen | what is this | 23:15 |
| @rizen | this feeling i'm having | 23:15 |
| @rizen | it's creeping | 23:15 |
| @apeiron | Are you becoming human? | 23:15 |
| @rizen | it's rage and disgust for khenn | 23:15 |
| @preaction | that's normal | 23:17 |
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| lisette | when i do an upload, that table database WebGUI refers to this? I know that is stored in the folder uploads but that table is saved the file path? | 23:22 |
| perlDreamer | khenn, it's fixed | 23:24 |
| @khenn | cool | 23:24 |
| @khenn | you have to resetdev though | 23:25 |
| @khenn | or manually fix the startDate entries in the datbae | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 23:25 |
| lisette | anyone? | 23:25 |
| @Haarg | for file assets it is stored in FileAsset | 23:27 |
| lisette | mm and another? | 23:28 |
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| @preaction | what are you trying to do? | 23:29 |
| lisette | i need to know in which table is storage the file when i do an upload | 23:29 |
| @preaction | an upload from what? | 23:30 |
| @preaction | you didn't answer "what are you trying to do?" you answered "what do you think you need to know?" | 23:30 |
| lisette | for example an image | 23:32 |
| lisette | or an .doc | 23:33 |
| @preaction | they don't get stored anywhere in the database unless it's told to get stored in the database | 23:34 |
| @preaction | so i need more information | 23:34 |
| @preaction | Articles have a storageId column. Posts have a storageId column, etc... | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | what are you trying to do with the file? why do you need to look it up in the database? | 23:35 |
| @preaction | but if you just have a File upload control, a storage location gets created and the ID of that storage location gets returned by getValueFromPost, but it doesn't automatically get stored in the database | 23:35 |
| @preaction | did style03 just get messed up? i just did an svn up and resetdev and things are looking weird | 23:45 |
| @rizen | too bad you guys aren't here in madison tonight...graham and i are going to be up late, and i'm ordering pizza for everyone who's here | 23:46 |
| @tavisto | I'm on my way. | 23:47 |
| @tavisto | To the batcave! | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: the default nav changed to a YUI nav | 23:48 |
| perlDreamer | is that what you're seeing? | 23:48 |
| @preaction | no. it looks like i'm missing images | 23:48 |
| @preaction | plus the site starter wizard doesn't have a background or the right style templates | 23:49 |
| lisette | i know that the files are storage in the folder "uploads"... | 23:56 |
| lisette | but webgui how to know that file must show? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | lisette, the Asset (the File asset perhaps) stores the ID of the storage location and the file's name in the database, and then it builds the URL from that | 23:58 |
| @preaction | if you would give us more information about exactly what you want, starting from the very beginning, we might be able to help you | 23:59 |
| @preaction | uhm... For some reason my extrasURL and uploadsURL both got set to "null", why? | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | ... maybe it was a test | 00:02 |
| perlDreamer | if a test died in the middle, that's possible | 00:06 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: my 7.4 seems weird, but the 7.5 is fine | 00:09 |
| @preaction | weird | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | thanks for pointing me to the site starter perlDreamer, i wouldn't have remembered to fix that | 00:11 |
| perlDreamer | copy and paste is hard | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | unfortunately it is still mostly copy and paste | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | i'm going to improve that as i can though | 00:12 |
| perlDreamer | khenn, I'm sorry for blaming you for something I broke. | 00:15 |
| @khenn | I don't care | 00:20 |
| @khenn | rizen blames me for everything anyway | 00:20 |
| @khenn | so indirectly, it's my fault anyway =p | 00:20 |
| @rizen | not if it's not blame frank day | 00:20 |
| @khenn | well yeah | 00:21 |
| @rizen | my default is usually apeiron | 00:21 |
| @rizen | he is after all the new kid | 00:21 |
| @apeiron | What? Am not. | 00:21 |
| @rizen | shut up apeiron, get back in your closet | 00:22 |
| @apeiron | pffft | 00:22 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:22 |
| @apeiron | No thanks, Mr. Dursleysmith! | 00:22 |
| @apeiron | Also, so what if I happen to be the newest person brave enough to frequent IRC? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | it means they're smarter than you :p | 00:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6659 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/view.t: fixed photo/view test | 00:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6660 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixes for data form list fields | 00:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6661 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm: revert back to key scanning until there is a better way to get column names from the db | 00:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6662 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): | 00:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add POD to the ProfileField, formField method. | 00:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix all profile field defaults being ignored by the createAccount screen. | 00:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6663 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm: fix site starter with new dataform | 00:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6664 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 2 dirs): backport user profile default on create screen | 00:38 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6665 /tools/ (wg-build wg_build wg-reset wg_reset): lots of changes to build and reset scripts | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron, "new" only applies to PB employees | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | so you're incentivized to help hire :) | 00:54 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, We've got a few new employees. They're just not on IRC. | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | slackers! | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop and Meatbop come onto IRC | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | what's wrong with the newly blackened? | 00:54 |
| @preaction | they don't yet know the joy of multiplayer notepad | 00:58 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: are you working on the cross-posting cancel button thing from bopbop? | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | I was looking for a new bug to work on and it seems pretty doable. | 01:21 |
| @preaction | not yet, no. but i will be today or tomorrow | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | I'll get it. | 01:21 |
| @preaction | the gallery bugs are still covered by our client work | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | you'll get it | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | It's a template problem | 01:21 |
| @preaction | so it's something i need to do, yes | 01:21 |
| @preaction | there's a dozen little things on the bug list i'm doing today | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | the cancel button in the template just needs this: onclick="history.go(-1); return false" | 01:22 |
| @rizen | is anybody here still working on something that "has" to get done in order to put out the release | 01:24 |
| @rizen | i'm running final tests now and we are a go if everyone else is | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | *kill bill theme song kicks on* | 01:25 |
| @preaction | rizen, give me 60 seconds to do this checkin | 01:28 |
| @preaction | wait, nm, go ahead | 01:28 |
| @rizen | khenn needs 30 minutes | 01:28 |
| @rizen | you have that long | 01:28 |
| @preaction | k | 01:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6666 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 8 dirs): fix problems with gallery URLs. fixed disk space check. added error messages to photo template | 01:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6667 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): cleared up some descriptions for Gallery properties | 01:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6668 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Gallery.pm: cleared up some descriptions for Gallery properties | 01:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6669 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): upgrade related fixes | 01:34 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6670 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): new layout for Album Edit screen | 01:34 |
| perlDreamer | last time I checked, there was broken help in the EMS | 01:34 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think that's a show stopper, though | 01:35 |
| @preaction | i closed like 8 bugs today. i think i can get some lunch now | 01:38 |
| @Haarg | blah | 01:39 |
| @Haarg | preaction, you added the .svn directories in that package again | 01:39 |
| @preaction | how? | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | i think they came from steve | 01:40 |
| @preaction | no, it's probably me. but that means the packaging system is doing it to me | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | i couldn't say | 01:40 |
| @preaction | wait. my uploads directory isn't under version control | 01:40 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 01:41 |
| @preaction | neither should steves be | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | i don't really know | 01:41 |
| @preaction | unless that's how jt set it up, to be www/uploads instead of /data/domains/www.whatever/ | 01:41 |
| @preaction | is it the gallery templates? | 01:41 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 01:41 |
| @preaction | then it was me somehow | 01:41 |
| @Haarg | i can fix the package | 01:42 |
| @Haarg | i fixed it before, but it was still in your tree or something | 01:43 |
| @preaction | that might be it, though i've done at least 4 resetdevs since the beginning of the day today | 01:43 |
| perlDreamer | this is nuts | 01:44 |
| perlDreamer | I can rm the files, but rmtree won't remove them | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | hah, I think I got it. rmtree obeys the t and s bits | 01:49 |
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| topsub | hey. I have a question. In the calendar system would it be possible to link an event to users ( one to many ) ? | 01:52 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: what does link mean? | 01:55 |
| topsub | in the sence of being able to pull the events on the usre profile page | 01:56 |
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| topsub | example: add bunch of race events and be able to attach drivers ( users ) to the events so i can look at a users profile and see the race events he is in | 01:56 |
| perlDreamer | that sounds like an EMS kind of thing, rather than a calendar | 01:57 |
| topsub | with the EMS would i be able to display the events o nthe home page.. ( or any page for that matter ) ? | 01:58 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know about the EMS display, but it's designed to sign people up and show them their schedules. | 01:59 |
| topsub | Is there a way to make it so i can go to a users profile and see the events that the person is signed up for? | 01:59 |
| topsub | is there such a screen close to this | 02:00 |
| perlDreamer | no | 02:01 |
| topsub | wonder if i could create something like this | 02:02 |
| topsub | or how hard it would be | 02:02 |
| topsub | if it does make a relationship between the users and the event then maybe a sql report could pull the events? | 02:03 |
| perlDreamer | you'd have to study the EMS table schemas | 02:03 |
| topsub | hmm.. Playing with the EMs on the demo site | 02:06 |
| topsub | the concept is there but the whole checkout and buy event i could due without | 02:06 |
| topsub | Little more then i need but thanks for info. | 02:07 |
| @preaction | topsub, i'd say fund a feature. we want to add the ability to "subscribe" to events (like you can to CS posts), and also do things like verify you're going to be attending, much like other calendar apps | 02:08 |
| topsub | nice, My client needs to just add bunch of race events to a calendar like system and say that these drivers are in the race | 02:08 |
| @preaction | for that you might just want to use one of the userDefined fields for now | 02:09 |
| topsub | So very simple version of the EMS | 02:09 |
| topsub | hmm how could i make a relantion from the calendar events to the users that way preaction? | 02:09 |
| @preaction | probably some sort of custom macro | 02:10 |
| topsub | Is the "view my profile" page of webgui templateable? | 02:10 |
| @preaction | no | 02:10 |
| @preaction | but you can plug-in to that using custom form controls | 02:10 |
| @preaction | so you could make a form control that would allow the person to select which Events they'll be at | 02:11 |
| topsub | i need the admin to assign the races to the users | 02:11 |
| topsub | these drivers won't log in | 02:11 |
| topsub | I just think for something like this to happen i will need some custom intergration | 02:11 |
| perlDreamer | then the admin can alter their profiles | 02:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, the admin can alter their profiles | 02:12 |
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| perlDreamer | using the User management in the admin console | 02:12 |
| topsub | hmm.. | 02:12 |
| @preaction | so it'd just be one little plugin to write really. and it wouldn't be that bad of a job either | 02:13 |
| topsub | the plugin to do a relationship between the events on a calendar to the users? | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | you could just use a select list with the list of races, probably wouldn't even need a plug-in | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | admin alters the list, configures each user and done | 02:14 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, you'd need to populate that list from a Calendar of Events. or you could do it manually like that i guess | 02:15 |
| topsub | We want to be able to show these events on a page | 02:15 |
| @preaction | right. two steps: One: add the event to the Calendar. Two: Add the event to the list of events for drivers in the User Profiling tab | 02:15 |
| topsub | So add the event twice really? | 02:16 |
| topsub | Then i could do a sql report i guess so when someone views the event i can get a list of drivers | 02:16 |
| @preaction | right | 02:17 |
| @preaction | or a macro | 02:17 |
| @preaction | the SQLReport might be a bit weird, since i can't see how to make one generic one that would work for all events | 02:17 |
| topsub | hmm if you type in the event names the same could we do where event name == eventprofilename | 02:18 |
| perlDreamer | select users from profile where field has my eventUrl in it | 02:18 |
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| @rizen | ok, we're starting the build process, no more checkins for a while please | 02:19 |
| perlDreamer | check | 02:19 |
| @tavisto | woop woop | 02:19 |
| topsub | thanks preaction, perldreamer | 02:20 |
| perlDreamer | you're welcome, topsub | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | I still think preaction is right | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | RFE it, and build it yourself | 02:21 |
| perlDreamer | it would be a huge contribution to WebGUI | 02:21 |
| topsub | oh, did we say if the profile page is templateable.. Like from the public side of the website | 02:21 |
| @rizen | and might even make knowmad win CotY | 02:21 |
| topsub | lol | 02:21 |
| topsub | don't think this client has the budget to pay for that | 02:22 |
| @preaction | no, it's not templatable, which is why we needed the custom form control | 02:22 |
| topsub | hmm If i put the drivers as users in the system i need to be able to change the view my proflile page look | 02:22 |
| @rizen | sorry i'm coming in late, but the profile page is templatable | 02:22 |
| topsub | oh it is? | 02:23 |
| @rizen | yes | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | PBtmpl0000000000000051 | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | it has a template, but it's not user templatable | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | you can't select a custom template | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | so your changes might get overridden on an upgrade | 02:23 |
| @rizen | there's no select switch for it in the settings | 02:23 |
| @rizen | but that's just one bug report away from being fixed | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | actually, that's an approved RFE | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | (I think) | 02:23 |
| @rizen | it should be a bug | 02:24 |
| @rizen | non-selectable templates are a bug | 02:24 |
| perlDreamer | so you're saying that topsub could make a 10 line patch and get that fixed like within a week? | 02:24 |
| topsub | how can i use PBtmpl0000000000000051 to find the template in the asset tree? | 02:24 |
| topsub | assuming its in the import node | 02:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6672 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm: Removed old ajax handlers. Added YUI ajax handlers | 02:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6673 /WebGUI/www/extras/wobject/ProjectManager/ (modal.js taskEdit.js): Removed old ajax handers. Added new ajax handlers | 02:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6674 /WebGUI/www/extras/js: Removed ajax legacy code | 02:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6675 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm: don't try to chmod when extracting tar files in storage | 02:25 |
| @preaction | select * from assetData where assetId = "..." | 02:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6676 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (2 files): remove .svn meta dirs from upgrade packages | 02:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6677 /WebGUI/www/extras/calendar: removing calendar since its not needed | 02:25 |
| topsub | oh from database | 02:25 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 02:25 |
| topsub | should i post a bug report? | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent is failing | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | it has an outstanding but | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | bug | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | t/PodChecker | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | t/Session/Style | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | that's worth looking into | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | t/Shop/Cart | 02:26 |
| @rizen | looking at Session/Style | 02:26 |
| @Haarg | t/Shop/Pay | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | t/Shop/Transaction | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | rizen, swap me Style for Cart | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | t/Utility/Gallery/addAlbumFromCollaboration | 02:27 |
| @rizen | we're skipping all the commerce ones | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | t/Utility/Gallery/addAlbumFromFolder | 02:27 |
| @rizen | i haven't updated them | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | t/Whitespace | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | ok, I'll take Whitespace and PodChecker | 02:27 |
| @rizen | like i said a couple weeks ago | 02:27 |
| @preaction | i'll get those t/Utility/Gallery ones | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | svn commit 6678, whitespace passes | 02:30 |
| @preaction | i figured out why the t/utility things are failing, 10 minutes to fix them (but it's a test bug, not a webgui bug) | 02:32 |
| perlDreamer | podchecker is passing on 6680 | 02:33 |
| @Haarg | t/i18n/critic_labels is failing a bunch and also spitting out warnings | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | some of those failures are real, others aren't | 02:34 |
| @Haarg | that's what i figured | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | there are still echo calls in several modules | 02:35 |
| perlDreamer | Workflow/Activity/SyncProfileToLdap.pm, Asset/Wobject/TimeTracking.pm, Asset/Wobject/ProjectManager.pm, Shop/Pay.pm, Shop/PayDriver.pm, Shop/PayDriver/Cash.pm, Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.pm | 02:35 |
| @preaction | Utility/Gallery tests are fixed now | 02:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6678 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset.pm Asset/Snippet.pm): fix whitespace for POD | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6679 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm_diagnose.t: fixing dataform test | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6680 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset.pm Asset/Snippet.pm Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm): pod syntax and markup fixes | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6681 /WebGUI/t/Session/Style.t: fixed | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6682 /WebGUI/t/Utility/Gallery/ (addAlbumFromFolder.t addAlbumFromCollaboration.t): fixed WebGUI::Utility::Gallery tests | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6683 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/Cash.pm: i18n for the Cash pay driver | 02:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6684 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/PayDriver.pm Shop/PayDriver.pm): i18n for Pay | 02:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6685 /WebGUI/t/Form/ListEquiv.t: fix list form test | 02:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6686 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t: test reports errors without crashing | 02:50 |
| @Haarg | some time i really need to figure out that Prototype mismatch: sub main::blessed thing | 02:55 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 02:55 |
| perlDreamer | it would be nice to be rid of that | 02:55 |
| @preaction | it's because Test::Deep exports blessed, and so does Scalar::Util | 02:56 |
| @preaction | most likely those tests don't need Scalar::Util's blessed, but i'm not sure there | 02:57 |
| perlDreamer | it's too bad Test::Deep couldn't just use Scalar::Util's blessed and be done with it | 02:59 |
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| perlDreamer | 1 bug fix to critic_labels.t | 03:06 |
| perlDreamer | rev 6687 | 03:06 |
| perlDreamer | I'm rerunning critic_labels with that fix, 48 of 500+ look okay so far | 03:10 |
| perlDreamer | 328/500+ okay | 03:14 |
| perlDreamer | three false test failures | 03:14 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6687 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm: fix the label test to handle not explicit i18n namespace in new | 03:18 |
| perlDreamer | is it safe to commit, rizen, Haarg? | 03:18 |
| @rizen | yes | 03:18 |
| perlDreamer | how long 'til the next freeze? | 03:18 |
| @rizen | haarg broke everything | 03:18 |
| @rizen | it's hard to say | 03:18 |
| @rizen | the sky is falling the sky is falling | 03:19 |
| perlDreamer | no, that's just Sarah hitting you with a rolling pin :) | 03:19 |
| @rizen | Ensuring correct database defaults... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ....... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ....... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ...... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ...... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ........ | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ....... | 03:19 |
| @rizen | ...... | 03:19 |
| perlDreamer | can't we all just agree to use ASCII? | 03:19 |
| @Haarg | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=6658 <- yeah, that's a fun one | 03:20 |
| perlDreamer | that looks like no fun at all | 03:21 |
| perlDreamer | I have 10 failures out of 586 files | 03:21 |
| perlDreamer | 3 are false | 03:21 |
| perlDreamer | 2-3 are already fixed | 03:21 |
| perlDreamer | I'll get the other real ones soon | 03:21 |
| perlDreamer | it takes 20-30 minutes to run the test on my laptop | 03:22 |
| @Haarg | yeah, it takes a while | 03:25 |
| perlDreamer | you should try it on my P3 at work | 03:25 |
| perlDreamer | dinner, be back in 30 | 03:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6688 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Donation.pm: i18n fixes for the Donation | 03:42 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6689 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_FlatDiscount.pm: missed some i18n in the FlatDiscount SKU related to the thank you message | 03:42 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6690 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/DataForm_diagnose.t: proper dataform test fix | 03:42 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6691 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm: use consitant capitalization for field types in dataform | 03:42 |
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| @rizen | upgrade in progress | 03:59 |
| perlDreamer | waaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttttttttt! | 03:59 |
| @rizen | nope | 04:00 |
| perlDreamer | commits frozen? | 04:00 |
| @rizen | huh? | 04:00 |
| @rizen | oh yes | 04:00 |
| perlDreamer | okay | 04:00 |
| @rizen | sorry i thought you were talking about our server frozen | 04:00 |
| perlDreamer | I have more i18n fixes, but they'll wait for later | 04:00 |
| @khenn | because I'm lazy and don't want to look it up, the extras macro is ^Extras(); right? | 04:01 |
| perlDreamer | yup | 04:01 |
| @khenn | gracias | 04:02 |
| perlDreamer | also, session.config.extrasurl | 04:02 |
| @rizen | those arent' the same thing | 04:02 |
| @rizen | ^Extras(urlgoeshere); actually calls the extras method in Session::Url | 04:02 |
| @rizen | which means it's compatible with prevent proxy cache | 04:03 |
| @rizen | therefore ^Extras(); is the right way to do it | 04:03 |
| perlDreamer | the extras method doesn't do anything with prevent proxy cache | 04:03 |
| @rizen | oh right, i'm thinking of gateway | 04:04 |
| @rizen | ^/(); | 04:04 |
| @rizen | still | 04:04 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, but you've said that the session vars may go away anyway, so the Macro is better | 04:04 |
| @rizen | use the macro | 04:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6692 /WebGUI/ (222 files in 133 dirs): preparing for 7.5.11 release | 04:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6693 /WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: remove Perl::Critic from testEnvironment.pl | 04:07 |
| perlDreamer | no Perl::Critic? | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | we don't want to force it on non-devs | 04:08 |
| perlDreamer | makes sense | 04:08 |
| perlDreamer | it has a "few" dependencies | 04:09 |
| @Haarg | yeah, noticed when upgrading the servers | 04:09 |
| perlDreamer | I think those bugfixes sped up the critic test | 04:09 |
| @tavisto | are we done yet? | 04:11 |
| @tavisto | I'm hungry | 04:11 |
| perlDreamer | go back to sleep, marketroid | 04:11 |
| @tavisto | actually I did fall asleep | 04:11 |
| @Haarg | dusk is upgrading right now | 04:12 |
| @tavisto | coolio | 04:15 |
| @tavisto | oh well shite, amla is already converted lol | 04:16 |
| @tavisto | graham should I stay out of amlainfo.org right now while dusk is upgrading | 04:19 |
| @Haarg | i'd say yes | 04:19 |
| @Haarg | it shouldn't be a problem, but just to be safe | 04:19 |
| @tavisto | 10-4.. well then I'm going to roll over to the piano bar and I'm going to work on this when I get back | 04:20 |
| perlDreamer | no wifi at the piano bar? | 04:20 |
| @tavisto | iphone brotha | 04:20 |
| perlDreamer | now you're talkin' | 04:20 |
| @rizen | tavisto it's done | 04:25 |
| perlDreamer | 7.5.11 is out? | 04:26 |
| @rizen | no, just beta.webgui.org | 04:26 |
| perlDreamer | critic tests are passing, and there are still some cases that it needs to learn to handle | 04:32 |
| perlDreamer | please let me know when it's safe to commit again | 04:39 |
| @Haarg | it's going to be a while | 04:47 |
| @tavisto | thanks Rizen | 04:51 |
| @tavisto | you know when I click "Shop" nothing is happening on amlainfo.org | 04:52 |
| @rizen | where are you clicking "shop" | 04:52 |
| @rizen | tell me the steps leading up | 04:52 |
| @tavisto | admin console | 04:52 |
| @rizen | you pantywaist | 04:52 |
| @rizen | oh ok, now that you've told me. I STILL DONT CARE | 04:52 |
| @tavisto | *rizen notices a tiny red laser dot on his chest* | 04:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6694 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: use absolute path when initializing WebGUI::Config in spectre | 04:56 |
| @rizen | fixed | 04:58 |
| @rizen | it's apeirons fault, he forgot to restart modperl after the upgrade | 04:58 |
| perlDreamer | oh, you mean you took out the line that says "No shop" if $sitename = 'amlainfo.org'; ? | 04:58 |
| @apeiron | wtf, no, it's khenn's fault. | 04:59 |
| perlDreamer | next thing you'll take out the subroutine that emails me tavisto's credit card info | 05:00 |
| @tavisto | hmmm | 05:06 |
| @tavisto | that's not cool | 05:06 |
| @tavisto | NO I WILL NOT MAKE OUT WITH YOU Rizen! | 05:06 |
| @apeiron | Yes you will. | 05:07 |
| @tavisto | uh nope | 05:07 |
| @tavisto | hey alright... we got shoppage | 05:08 |
| @tavisto | I'll be back later to tell you guys if I am loving life or hating it. Good work boys | 05:08 |
| perlDreamer | thanks | 05:08 |
| @rizen | there you go tavisto, it's buggy as hell and completely undocumented | 05:08 |
| @rizen | enjoy | 05:08 |
| @tavisto | yeah thanks. | 05:08 |
| perlDreamer | just who is that guy, anyway? | 05:09 |
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| @apeiron | Who, tavisto? Some noob we picked up. | 05:10 |
| perlDreamer | so how many other PB people are there, who don't use IRC? | 05:11 |
| @rizen | there are 15 staff total | 05:11 |
| perlDreamer | 15? | 05:11 |
| @rizen | 1 hasn't started work yet, he starts on monday | 05:11 |
| perlDreamer | you've bloated! | 05:12 |
| @rizen | have you seen me? i'm a total fatty | 05:12 |
| perlDreamer | s/fa/ho/ | 05:13 |
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| perlDreamer | topsub, I have the code ready for the user profile templating | 05:37 |
| perlDreamer | once the all clear is given for 7.5.12 I'll commit it | 05:37 |
| topsub | dang | 05:38 |
| topsub | nice | 05:38 |
| topsub | perlDreamer, think that will be later this week? | 05:40 |
| perlDreamer | later this week is Friday, tomorrow, so yes | 05:44 |
| metanil | (i don't know this question should be placed here or not... ) .. could it be possible to run apache on top of wre's apache? | 06:02 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can have more than one install of apache on the same machine if that's what you mean - they just need to be on different ports | 06:02 |
| metanil | i tried it but there seems to be some problem | 06:03 |
| metanil | ya i tried different port.. and it only work if i stopped wre's apache.. and its only listening to different post.. (when looking at netstat ) | 06:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have two apache's running on my setup at home | 06:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | three actually | 06:04 |
| +Radix-wrk | since the wre comes with two (mod_proxy on port 80, and mod_perl on port 81 or 8088 or whatever it is now) | 06:05 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have the debian apache installed and running on port 82 as well.. with php, etc on that | 06:06 |
| metanil | you mean .. one that comes with wre and the system default?? | 06:06 |
| metanil | o o.. that what i want | 06:06 |
| metanil | i want to have php server so.. | 06:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | I used the modproxy and some redirects to redirect certain urls and domains to the php apache | 06:07 |
| metanil | you mean from wre apache to php apache. | 06:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, so traffic from the outside world comes in to the wre mod_proxy apache | 06:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | from there it redirects it to either the wre mod_perl for webgui stuff, or to the php apache if it's for that (or cached images if it's something else) | 06:09 |
| metanil | i was thinking reverse way.. but anyway .. both should first work at same. | 06:09 |
| metanil | Radix-wrk: your configuration sounds is very similar to my requirement :) | 06:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | So you need to ensure the php apache is not using the same ports first.. that's the first bit.. they should run at the same time with no problems | 06:13 |
| +Radix-wrk | then what I did with mine was add a xxxx.modproxy file for the php domain I wanted too - I used the same one that is used for the webgui.modproxy - but I altered it to use the new port for php | 06:15 |
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| metanil | (i don't know my computer is freaking me out.. ) /etc/init.d/apache2 start didn't work .. however .. directly executing apache (command line) did work .. :O .. | 06:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6695 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.12 dev | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6696 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm: fix posting threads | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6697 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm: document work to be done in POD for the Perl::Critic policy | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6698 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): i18n and help fixes | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6699 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: more i18n fixes | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6700 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.11-beta: Release 7.5.11-beta | 08:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6701 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): selectable templates for user profile view and edit | 08:17 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6702 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.11-beta/WebGUI: Release 7.5.11-beta | 08:39 |
| -!- Radix-wrk changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.11-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. | 08:39 | |
| -!- preaction changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.11-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | 08:40 | |
| @preaction | 7.5.11 is a HUEG upgrade | 08:42 |
| @apeiron | preaction, you suck because you're not going to yapc | 08:50 |
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| @tavisto | hey all | 09:27 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, Good news! preaction sucks because he's not going to YAPC. | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | boo | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | why not? | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | so it's JT, me, you, William, anyone else | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | frank | 09:28 |
| @apeiron | He's too busy sucking to go. | 09:28 |
| @apeiron | He's probably *sleeping* right now. | 09:28 |
| @tavisto | now it's time to play with e-commerce | 09:38 |
| @tavisto | very sharp screen in the imported products area | 09:38 |
| @tavisto | apeiron, do you pronounce your name "ape-iron" | 09:39 |
| @tavisto | or does it have a special meaning like "master of IRC" | 09:40 |
| @apeiron | It's Greek, it's pronounced ah-pee-ron. | 09:40 |
| @tavisto | ah coolio | 09:40 |
| @tavisto | meaning? | 09:40 |
| @apeiron | sec | 09:40 |
| @apeiron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apeiron_(cosmology) | 09:40 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. apeiron, is there a way to move the "imported products" into the main products screen? | 09:43 |
| @apeiron | ermmmm | 09:43 |
| @tavisto | maybe I can just move the products from the import > Products folder to a main folder | 09:43 |
| @apeiron | You may want to talk to people who have written the new commerce system. :) | 09:43 |
| @tavisto | hehe alright | 09:43 |
| @tavisto | ill stumble for a bit | 09:43 |
| @tavisto | so you didnt work on any of that eh | 09:43 |
| @apeiron | I was busy with various other projects. | 09:44 |
| @tavisto | gotcha | 09:44 |
| @tavisto | so are you a perl master yet? | 09:44 |
| @apeiron | Well, I have the book. | 09:44 |
| @apeiron | http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596527242/index.html | 09:45 |
| @tavisto | lol so I guess it will only be a matter of time | 09:45 |
| @apeiron | heh. Other people are quite closer to that goal than I am. | 09:46 |
| @tavisto | yeah but you haven't been doing it for that long | 09:46 |
| @tavisto | you'll start dreaming in perl after awhile | 09:46 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. okay everything is making sense about commerce... except how to generate the add to cart links on a page | 09:47 |
| @tavisto | let's see... | 09:47 |
| @apeiron | hum | 09:54 |
| @apeiron | For the curious, hold off on Firefox beta three, it seems to like to move the window when one selects items using a drag select. | 09:55 |
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| @tavisto | Haarg, do you know anything about the new e-commerce system? | 10:46 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | Good afternoon | 16:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ! | 16:17 |
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| slickware1 | lol... MrHairgrease? awesome | 16:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know I am... | 16:19 |
| slickware1 | what's the icon next to your name? it looks like a radio or something | 16:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's probably the icon your client gives to voiced people in the channel | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has something to with status or so | 16:21 |
| slickware1 | voiced? | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not really important | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is some irc thing | 16:21 |
| slickware1 | ah | 16:21 |
| slickware1 | i haven't used IRC since i was like 6 | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | wikipedia it if you wanna know what it does exactly | 16:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm not sure either what it's good for | 16:22 |
| slickware1 | i figured the little stars/badges are for admins | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | but here in the channel we use it to indicate people who have been listed in the People Behind WebGUI section on webgui.org | 16:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, the admins are plainblack staff | 16:23 |
| slickware1 | right | 16:23 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6703 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Added POD where I still had to. | 16:56 |
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| wgGuest72 | Hi | 17:06 |
| slickware1 | hey guest | 17:07 |
| wgGuest72 | How can i do to restrict a collaboration system? | 17:08 |
| wgGuest72 | I want to this only accept three threads | 17:08 |
| slickware1 | three total? | 17:09 |
| wgGuest72 | YEs | 17:09 |
| wgGuest72 | only three threads | 17:09 |
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| slickware1 | so you want users to be able to reply within those three but never add new ones? | 17:10 |
| wgGuest72 | exactly | 17:10 |
| wgGuest72 | only add three threads | 17:11 |
| slickware1 | my best guess, and i could be wrong, would be to edit the template for that collab | 17:11 |
| slickware1 | and remove the "post new thread" link | 17:11 |
| slickware1 | once you have it configured with the threads you want | 17:11 |
| wgGuest72 | its interesting | 17:12 |
| wgGuest72 | Let me see the collaboration systema | 17:12 |
| slickware1 | always recommend making a copy of the template and editing that one so you don't mess with the original | 17:14 |
| wgGuest72 | in the display configuration of collaboration system i can't see this option | 17:15 |
| slickware1 | let me take a look at one of mine | 17:15 |
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| slickware1 | ok - | 17:16 |
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| slickware1 | wgGuest72: when you Edit the collaboration system, go under the DISPLAY tab, down at the very bottom there are 4 templates listed: Default forum search, post, thread, and forum | 17:16 |
| wgGuest72 | I know the weblog template and the add link to new thread | 17:17 |
| wgGuest72 | yes | 17:17 |
| slickware1 | so what are you asking...? | 17:17 |
| wgGuest72 | I'm using the weblog template | 17:18 |
| wgGuest72 | But how can i do to restrict the add link? | 17:18 |
| slickware1 | you'd have to figure out which template variable it is, I'm not familiar enough with that style to tell | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | I usually copy the code from there and stick it in dreamweaver so i have an idea what i'm looking at and go from there | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | <tmpl_if user.canStartThread> | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | <a href="<tmpl_var add.url>"><tmpl_var add.label></a> | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | • | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | </tmpl_if> | 17:19 |
| slickware1 | maybe that one | 17:20 |
| wgGuest72 | Yes im know this link | 17:20 |
| wgGuest72 | this is the add link | 17:20 |
| wgGuest72 | but how the template know that the collaboration system has three threads to don't show the add link again? | 17:21 |
| wgGuest72 | excuseme for my english | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | wgguest72: if you want to restrict the group of people who can post to a cs | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | just set the Users who can post (or so) option in the CS edit screen | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | to th egroup that contains the users that are allowed to post to the cs | 17:22 |
| wgGuest72 | and, I need create a new group? | 17:25 |
| wgGuest72 | and, this group can be has options to post of the cs | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't understand waht you mean | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | in webgui you have groups of users | 17:26 |
| wgGuest72 | yes | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the security tab of a CS you can allow a group to post submissions | 17:27 |
| wgGuest72 | I just need that my cs only accept three threads | 17:27 |
| slickware1 | will that restrict them from replying though too, hairgrease? | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | repluing is another setting | 17:27 |
| slickware1 | ok | 17:27 |
| slickware1 | the do what he says :-D | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | wgguest72: you want a users to only post a maximum of three threads? | 17:28 |
| wgGuest72 | Yes | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think that is possible | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | as far as i know there is no maximum post threshold | 17:28 |
| wgGuest72 | each user in my web site has a cs | 17:28 |
| @preaction | you could use an HTML::Template::Expr or Template Toolkit template to hide the add link once three threads have been reached | 17:29 |
| @preaction | but you cannot forcibly stop them from adding threads | 17:29 |
| @preaction | if they knew the URL, even if they did not see the add link, they could add a Thread | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | why do you want to restrict users to three posts only? | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | what if they have three threads already? | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | What you can do is limit the number of threads shown | 17:31 |
| wgGuest72 | becouse this cs will be used to upload songs | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:32 |
| wgGuest72 | if i don't restrict the cs, my server can will be full in short time | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case you'll probably have to code something yourself | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you know perl it shouldn't be to hard | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | just subclass WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration | 17:33 |
| @preaction | alright! first bug closed by ME | 17:34 |
| wgGuest72 | If yours have time can check this link and do it click in the escuchar link | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and extend canPost to take into account the number of posts a user has made alreday | 17:34 |
| wgGuest72 | http://www.rockemite.fm/home/bandas | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry no time | 17:34 |
| wgGuest72 | ok i know | 17:34 |
| wgGuest72 | im very worried fot the capacity of my server | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | can't you just buy a bigger disk? | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i mean, diskspace is not that expensive | 17:35 |
| wgGuest72 | i have a big har disk, but to uploads song never is enough | 17:36 |
| wgGuest72 | i weant to do something like a myspace | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | well you can store a lot of mp3's on a big disk | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to do that you'll need a LOT of hardware anyway | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | so storage caanot be an issue | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you start small you don't need that much disk space anyway | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | and when your site grows, so will you revenue | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you can throw more hardware in the ring | 17:38 |
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| wgGuest72 | =) | 17:39 |
| wgGuest72 | I hope this | 17:39 |
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| wgGuest72 | I´m very confortable with webgui, the systema is amazing | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah it is | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that's why ist's easy top extend the CS to limit the number of posts | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | provide you know perl | 17:41 |
| wgGuest72 | no I don´t, but my partner knows the languaje | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | so ask your partner =) | 17:42 |
| wgGuest72 | I´m a web designer | 17:42 |
| wgGuest72 | preaction, i´m reading about the toolkit templates. And i have this install in my webgui | 17:43 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6704 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Shop.pm Shop/Pay.pm): Cleaned up loose i18n ends, | 17:45 |
| wgGuest72 | how can i do to restrict the add link in the weblog template | 17:45 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest72, learn about how Template Toolkit works first, once you know that, your question will answer itself | 17:46 |
| @tavisto | hmmm.. product variants are no longer storing a sku..... to the bug list! | 17:47 |
| wgGuest72 | I´m reading about this | 17:47 |
| @preaction | tavisto, you're not supposed to ADD to the buglist today. you're supposed to SUBTRACT | 17:47 |
| @tavisto | I have to say the new transaction, reporting, and products screen are flippin sweet | 17:48 |
| @tavisto | lol... preaction, well I can't help it... I thought I was going to be working on e-commerce last night but I ran into nothing but obstacles | 17:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, i saw you still up at 3:00am | 17:49 |
| @tavisto | I'm really wanting to see the new cart but there's some template issue that occurs. So in the meantime I was going to do a little bug testing | 17:49 |
| @tavisto | I haven't been able to get the AssetProxy working either as it always says invalid URL. So I think that's another one as well. | 17:50 |
| * MrHairgrease think Tavisto is the problem | 17:51 | |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:51 |
| @tavisto | it's ^AssetProxy("SKU"); for usage | 17:51 |
| wgGuest72 | preaction, I need to create a macro to consult the database with id and cs detects those threads are, according to this, showing the link | 17:51 |
| @tavisto | ? | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:51 |
| @preaction | no. AssetProxy("url"), same as always | 17:51 |
| @tavisto | alright, well I tried that as well and still no love | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | what preaction says | 17:51 |
| @tavisto | so go put more grease on your hair | 17:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i like it the way it is now | 17:51 |
| @tavisto | ;) | 17:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | but thanks for the fashion advise | 17:52 |
| @tavisto | hey, us guys (who have big hair) have to stick together | 17:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | since when do you have 'big' hair? | 17:54 |
| @tavisto | I dunno.. for as long as you've known me | 17:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh, I thought you were Tavis | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | preaction, I've tried every combination of AssetProxy and it just gives me invalid asset url. So it's going on the list.. sorry brotha | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess even I can be wrong sometimes =) | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | yeah, with a name like tavisto there is a good chance I am him. | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | tavisto, you are not putting any spaces into your assetProxy? | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | nope, no spaces | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | even not between the ( )'s and the url | 17:58 |
| @tavisto | correct | 17:58 |
| @apeiron | There's a good chance that tavisto is Tavis, but until we have two gallons of blood samples we can't be sure. | 17:58 |
| @tavisto | the new product i made has a url of "product1 | 17:58 |
| @tavisto | "product1" | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok, so try ^AssetProxy(product1); | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | no stoopid ""'s | 17:59 |
| @tavisto | so I'm using ^AssetProxy("product1"); and I also tried changing the url to home/product1 but no luck there when I tried that | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | try w/o the accents | 18:00 |
| @tavisto | yeah I already tried it without as well, no luck | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it does work on other assets? | 18:00 |
| @tavisto | I spent the last couple minutes trying every combination... That's a good question let me see | 18:00 |
| topsub | try ^AssetProxy(/product1); | 18:02 |
| topsub | or just ^AssetProxy(product1); | 18:02 |
| @rizen | you can either do ^AssetProxy(asseturlgoeshere); | 18:02 |
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| @rizen | or ^AssetProxy(assetidgoeshere,1); | 18:02 |
| @rizen | that second variation works in webgui 7.5 only | 18:03 |
| @tavisto | I just checked the article that I was trying to use it in and that was the problem... weird formatting | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | end users.... | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:03 |
| @tavisto | cleared the HTML from the editor and it's fine | 18:03 |
| @apeiron | tavisto, I've found that the RTE will preserve formatting if you copypasta text from wG into it. | 18:04 |
| @apeiron | (which will cause problems when wG tries to look up an assetId starting with <span>) | 18:04 |
| @tavisto | yeah looks to be the issue | 18:04 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6705 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.13 dev | 18:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6706 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: noting version skip | 18:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6707 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More i18n echo cleansing. | 18:06 |
| @rizen | apireon: fix the fixUrl problem that you caused | 18:06 |
| @rizen | bug is reported | 18:07 |
| @apeiron | will do | 18:07 |
| @rizen | preaction: asset manager seems to crap out, bug is reported | 18:11 |
| @preaction | k | 18:11 |
| @rizen | that's your top priority | 18:11 |
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| perlDreamer | morning, guys | 18:13 |
| perlDreamer | what's the scoop? | 18:13 |
| @tavisto | morning | 18:13 |
| * MrHairgrease likes to scoop icecream | 18:14 | |
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| @rizen | bug arama | 18:15 |
| perlDreamer | why is there a version skip? | 18:15 |
| @rizen | i'm going to be working on EMS stuff all day | 18:15 |
| @rizen | that was a little typo by graham | 18:15 |
| @rizen | so we're working on 7.5.13 now | 18:15 |
| perlDreamer | this is going to be a rough one, isn't it? | 18:16 |
| @rizen | indeed, but we do the rough stuff so the stable users can have an easy go of it | 18:16 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:16 |
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| @preaction | rizen, as some of these bugs are fixed do you want me to patch plainblack.com so it's still usable? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | like, the asset manager one | 18:26 |
| topsub | with thingy in the view template is there no way i can call a certain variable just like with sqlform? | 18:26 |
| @rizen | yes, but do both pb and dusk | 18:26 |
| @preaction | k | 18:27 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6708 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): removed fixUrl workaround for Gallery. added AssetManager to WebGUI.conf.original | 18:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6709 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUIProfile.pm: fix broken i18n in WebGUIProfile | 18:52 |
| @khenn | preaction: can you sign onto IM? | 18:53 |
| @preaction | no, i can't | 18:53 |
| @khenn | why not? | 18:53 |
| @khenn | nm | 18:53 |
| @preaction | OSX keeps cycling my wireless | 18:53 |
| @preaction | leaving me unable to do anything meaningful on the internet | 18:53 |
| @preaction | a restart didn't fix it, but plugging it into the router seems to fix the wireless | 18:54 |
| @tavisto | did u do 10.5.3 upgrade? | 18:54 |
| topsub | lol | 18:54 |
| @preaction | will that fix it? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | like the 10.5.2 upgrade did? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | or the 10.5.1 upgrade did? | 18:56 |
| @preaction | or the hotfixes right after leopard was released did? | 18:56 |
| ckotil | Ive got a locked asset, and i need to unlock it. i ran into the JSON and Config::Json issue , i had the most up to date versions but was sitll runing 7.4.12 | 18:57 |
| @tavisto | preaction, 10.5.2 was a piece of garbage | 18:57 |
| ckotil | what table is locking state defined? | 18:57 |
| @tavisto | 10.5.3 is a significant upgrade and fixed all of my stability issues | 18:57 |
| @tavisto | in terms of crashing, losing wifi, etc.. | 18:57 |
| @preaction | 3.6G is required for this update. looks like i'm SOL for today | 18:58 |
| @tavisto | i had some really explosive crashes... I sent apeiron my screen shot | 18:58 |
| @preaction | ckotil, assetData. isLockedBy i believe | 18:58 |
| ckotil | i set that to null, and its still locked. | 18:58 |
| ckotil | purged cache just to be safe | 18:58 |
| ckotil | ah got it | 19:00 |
| ckotil | i think a revision was still locking it | 19:00 |
| ckotil | i purged the revision via the front end and now its unlocked. | 19:01 |
| ckotil | thx | 19:01 |
| ckotil | i migrated webgui and the rest of our websites to some new hardware last night | 19:01 |
| ckotil | it went as smooth as it could. i hit lots of bumps , even tho i prepared a lot. | 19:01 |
| ckotil | but everything was working right away. tho i just noticed the JSON::Config thing this morning. | 19:02 |
| ckotil | so i guess not EVERYTHING | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto-- | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | um, I mean, bug-- | 19:02 |
| @tavisto | huh | 19:02 |
| ckotil | ya. | 19:03 |
| ckotil | lunchtime, im getting a beer. | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm fixing the bugs you reported, tavisto | 19:03 |
| @tavisto | excellante | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | although I can't duplicate the template one | 19:03 |
| @tavisto | which one? | 19:03 |
| @tavisto | can't instantiate template? | 19:03 |
| Meatbop | is doug in here? | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | doug==preaction | 19:04 |
| Meatbop | roger that | 19:04 |
| Meatbop | preaction: do you remember if there's a variable to test for pagination in gallery? | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Meatbop: You should check this out->http://www.secrethistoryofstarwars.com/ | 19:04 |
| @preaction | let me check. i think i threw the whole set of pagination vars in there | 19:05 |
| Meatbop | k | 19:05 |
| @preaction | yeah. it has all the pagination template variables in it | 19:06 |
| Meatbop | perlDreamer: looks like a cool read | 19:06 |
| @tavisto | um... perlDreamer I dont know what to tell you... it's super straightforward... add a new product and then go outta admin mode and try to add to cart | 19:06 |
| @tavisto | do you get to the cart? | 19:06 |
| @preaction | Meatbop, which apparently doesn't include a nice "hasMultiplePages" boolean, but it has a isFirstPage and isLastPage (maybe both are true when there's only one page) | 19:06 |
| Meatbop | yeah I'm going to try those next and see what happens | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | go outta admin mode. That wasn't in your bug. I'll try that | 19:08 |
| @tavisto | hmm it might even happen in admin mode | 19:09 |
| @tavisto | actually it was happening both ways | 19:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't happen in admin mode for me | 19:09 |
| @tavisto | nope still happening for me | 19:10 |
| @tavisto | this is on beta.webgui.org | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because you're cursed | 19:10 |
| @tavisto | nah, it's because you are blind | 19:11 |
| @tavisto | there is a little message that delightfully says "error: cannot instantiate template" | 19:11 |
| @tavisto | you are ignoring the truth | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd send you a screenshot, but I don't want your fancy-shmancy mac to crash | 19:12 |
| @tavisto | um I can send you a screenshot too that says what I'm saying. | 19:12 |
| @tavisto | how the hell are we both getting different results | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, but I'll fix the ones I can find, then y'all can test the other for me | 19:13 |
| @tavisto | i create a fresh demo, add a new product without changing anything, then add sku (123abc) and price (100), then click save. | 19:14 |
| @tavisto | Turn admin off, click add to cart and I get that error msg | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | right, what happens if you leave admin on? | 19:14 |
| @tavisto | nothing it just refreshes the screen | 19:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | (09:08:18) perlDreamer: go outta admin mode. That wasn't in your bug. I'll try that | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | (09:09:17) tavisto: hmm it might even happen in admin mode | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | (09:09:23) tavisto: actually it was happening both ways | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so if you put it into the cart while in admin mode, do you still have the bug? | 19:15 |
| @tavisto | okay, yeah so it's only giving me that particular error when admin mode is off | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, so we're seeing the same thing. That's better. | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | The less wonkiness, the better ;) | 19:17 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6710 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): fix a typo that caused variant skus to be be lost | 19:17 |
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| Meatbop | can I go ahead and make a new 7.5.12 upgrades folder in svn? | 19:25 |
| Meatbop | the one for packages | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | 7.5.13 | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | we skipped 12 | 19:26 |
| Meatbop | oh... why? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | tavis, do you get the same problem when adding a donation or a coupon? | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Meatbop: just a little hiccup | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | the donation has a different problem | 19:27 |
| @rizen | preaction...did you apply the patch to dusk yet? | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | I cant add it to cart because when I turn admin off it messes up the template for the site and is all messed up | 19:27 |
| @preaction | rizen, i believe i did. i'll check again | 19:28 |
| @rizen | maybe you didn't restart apache? | 19:28 |
| @rizen | cuz the problem is still happening on the beta server | 19:28 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, do you see what I'm seeing with donation | 19:30 |
| @preaction | looks like a different problem, i forgot to add the asset manager to WebGUI.conf.original on the beta server | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: Nose deep in the product | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | will come up for air later | 19:31 |
| @preaction | rizen, fixed now, but you'll have to make a new demo in order to see the fix | 19:33 |
| @tavisto | :) | 19:35 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6711 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): fixed: Asset manager breaks when asset is locked. fixed loading slowness in asset manager too | 19:37 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6712 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13: Added new packages folder for 7.5.13 | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 15 is too little indeed! | 19:47 |
| @khenn | meatbop: you suck | 19:48 |
| Meatbop | oh? | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | just today | 19:48 |
| @khenn | you added the packages-7.5.13 folder and totally hosed my svn | 19:48 |
| @khenn | cause I have added it and hadn't committed it yet | 19:48 |
| @khenn | did you check anything into it? | 19:49 |
| @khenn | or did you just create the folder? | 19:49 |
| Meatbop | just committed a single package | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn, just make a copy on the side, nuke your copy, and then move it back | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | after doing an updaet | 19:49 |
| @khenn | pd: doesn't work | 19:49 |
| @khenn | I had to do an svn remove | 19:49 |
| @khenn | cause it was already added | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah "nuke your copy" == svn remove | 19:49 |
| @preaction | lesson learned: svn mkdir https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13 -m'creating folder. snoogans' | 19:50 |
| @khenn | so meatbop: I may have inadvertently removed your package | 19:50 |
| Meatbop | -gasp!- | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's still in there, just at a different ren | 19:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and Meatbop has a copy of it too | 19:50 |
| Meatbop | my wife will be bumbed | 19:50 |
| @khenn | ok | 19:50 |
| @khenn | isn't your wife like 11 months pregnant? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, do you need a doula? | 19:51 |
| @khenn | she isn't missing your package | 19:51 |
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| Meatbop | Vrby: the bug you're talking about with the user function style, you mean pb.com's gray background page? | 19:58 |
| @Vrby | roger that | 19:58 |
| Meatbop | k, yeah there's no nav there cause both webgui.org and pb.com use it | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Vrby: I cleaned up your payment missing label bug | 19:59 |
| @Vrby | is there a way to at least add a "back to site" link that takes you back to your previous page? | 19:59 |
| Meatbop | I'm open to suggestions as to what you think might work in that scenario | 19:59 |
| @Vrby | perlDreamer: thanks I saw that you fixed the labels. | 20:00 |
| Meatbop | I'm not sure, is really the issue that the cart drops you off in no-mans-land? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | javascript: history.go( -1 ); or perhaps use javascript to look through the history until it finds something that looks appropriate? | 20:00 |
| Meatbop | because maybe something can be added to the cart template | 20:00 |
| @Vrby | the only way to get anywhere from the cart is the icons in the upper right | 20:00 |
| Meatbop | preaction: needs to be 508 | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | there are lots of those javascript back buttons on the site | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Almost every cancel button that I can think of | 20:01 |
| @preaction | fallback solution would be a "Back to Plainblack.com", and "Back to WebGUI.org" links | 20:01 |
| Meatbop | suppose that it could be javascript, all it would do is add enhanced functionality | 20:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6713 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: 15 is too little | 20:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6714 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): Fix bad driver lookup for label. Label is a method, not property that is looked up using ->get. | 20:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6715 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg: Removes pagination from Gallery when no pagination is needed, fixes some layout issues with various Gallery templates | 20:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6716 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/ (2 files): Project Management bug fixes | 20:01 |
| Meatbop | not necessary functionality | 20:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6717 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Fixes to project management system introduced by removing legacy Ajax module | 20:01 |
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| juan | i want to count the post added to a collaboration system | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, there's already a field for that, I think | 20:17 |
| juan | yes | 20:17 |
| juan | ? | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | look for in the db for a field in the Collaboration table called replies, or something similar to that. | 20:17 |
| juan | ok | 20:17 |
| juan | yes, the field is called thread and it has the number of threads for that CS | 20:20 |
| juan | thanks | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you want replies | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | threads is only the "top-level" post | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | replies would be all of them | 20:21 |
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| juan | PerlDreamer, i execute the SQL macro in the weblog template with the query consulting the number or post. It works well but i need to have that number in a variable to do a if sentence | 20:39 |
| juan | is it possible? | 20:39 |
| juan | it is possible using the HTML:Template:Expr | 20:40 |
| SquOnk | Heh. Found a _very_ interesting "bug" | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | The uploads directory has a directory named '--' | 20:44 |
| SquOnk | ...it's breaking havoc with find, cp and all the file utilities needed for packaging and installation :-) | 20:44 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, did you ever get anywhere on that "can't instatiate template"? | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | SquOnk: suffix all unix command line utilities with -- | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | mv -f -- * | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, no, been doing $dayJob | 20:45 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know. It's just su funny I had to tell you | 20:45 |
| @tavisto | lol oh yeah | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | juan, read the docs on the wiki about the SQL macro and the template that you can give it | 20:46 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6718 /translations/Russian/ (24 files in 2 dirs): update_from_translation_server | 20:48 |
| @preaction | I need a consensus on this bug if anyone's got the time: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/rss-and-template-engine-error | 20:51 |
| @preaction | long story short: i can fix the bug but it would limit the asset's capabilities (which aren't an advertised feature anyway) | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I say that if the group != Everyone that the RSS should not spew | 20:51 |
| @preaction | wait, what? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if groupToView for the Collab != everyone, that the RSS would not be available | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the only way to fix that | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Since I don't know any authenticated RSS readers | 20:52 |
| @preaction | uh... are we looking at the same bug? | 20:52 |
| @preaction | there are RSS readers that use HTTP basic auth, but webgui doesn't use http basic auth | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, whoops. Sorry. Wrong bug | 20:53 |
| @preaction | remember that patch i gave you for H::T a while back to fix problems with <tmpl_if> assuming things about the variable its checking? | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I submitted it | 20:53 |
| @preaction | here's another manifestation of H::T's problematic typechecking | 20:53 |
| @preaction | but this time it's our fault for giving it a scalar in one run of the loop, and an array in the next run of the loop | 20:54 |
| @preaction | we can't be sure what the RSS feed will contain outside of the required fields | 20:54 |
| @preaction | so imho we can't use them, since this problem will happen | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | are suggesting moving to T::T, or fixing wG to handle H::T? | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | fixing the syndicated content wobject so that H::T doesn't choke on it | 20:55 |
| @apeiron | Am looking at http://www.webgui.org/_opgd7wqvc-c52vxphgnhq (yes, that's the URL, and that's the bug). From what I can tell, in processPropertiesFromFormPost for the url property, it takes the default (which happens to be the assetId) if there isn't a url field present in the form post. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it should take the title | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what it used to do | 20:56 |
| @apeiron | Right, but it's not. | 20:56 |
| @preaction | it starts out with the assetId, since there has to be something in that field in the database | 20:57 |
| @preaction | then the filter for the url field gets called, which is Asset->fixUrl | 20:57 |
| @apeiron | The title field is definitely being posted. Firebug shows it. | 20:57 |
| @apeiron | It's already b0rked by the time it gets to fixUrl. | 20:57 |
| @apeiron | So I don't think it's a fixUrl problem. | 20:57 |
| @preaction | no, fixUrl fixes it | 20:57 |
| @apeiron | o | 20:57 |
| @preaction | at least, it used to from what i remember | 20:57 |
| * apeiron has never touched the method, so knows little about it | 20:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | I think it has tests, and ack tells all :) | 20:58 |
| @preaction | the inheritUrlFromParent thing someone added, from what i remember, was how things worked normally | 20:58 |
| @preaction | which is why i was opposed to the idea, since i don't understand what it fixed | 20:58 |
| @preaction | apeiron, i could've swore you're the one who told me about inheritUrlFromParent | 20:59 |
| @apeiron | yes. | 20:59 |
| @apeiron | I was Just Following Orders [tm]. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | no, inheritUrlFromParent is completely new. wG never did anything like that before | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a good idea | 20:59 |
| @apeiron | o | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as it's a default | 20:59 |
| slickware1 | i glanced at that, and thought you wrote inheritItFromUrParents | 21:00 |
| slickware1 | i thought it was a great idea | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | IM NOT UR PARENTS | 21:00 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, if you neglected to add a URL to an asset, it built one using the parent's URL and the current asset's menuTitle, which took apeiron 10 minutes to explain how inheritUrlFromParent differs | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 21:01 |
| @preaction | that behavior is how we get away with not exposing a URL field for CS Posts, Wiki pages, and GalleryFiles | 21:02 |
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| @preaction | and from conversations with JT last night, it was the fixUrl property that did that. if not there, then definately Asset.pm->processPropertiesFromFormPost | 21:02 |
| @preaction | er... s/property/method/ | 21:02 |
| @apeiron | preaction, So it needs to default to on instead of off? | 21:07 |
| @preaction | let me read through our conversation to remember how that thing works | 21:08 |
| @preaction | uh... did we actually have a conversation about it? i can't find it now... | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | how about asking rizen directly? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | it was different from the old behavior in that it took the current value from the URL field and prefixed the parent's URL right? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | instead of using menuTitle | 21:10 |
| @apeiron | Yes. | 21:10 |
| @apeiron | But only if enabled. | 21:10 |
| @preaction | yeah, that won't work. we have assets that never specify a URL | 21:10 |
| @apeiron | I've been told in the past to keep the status quo--for this feature it would be to leave things as they were before, i.e., have it offb y default. | 21:11 |
| @preaction | if enabled or disabled, if there is nothing in the URL field, it should build a URL from the asset's menutitle and the parent's URL | 21:11 |
| * perlDreamer has something stuck in his throat | 21:12 | |
| +perlDreamer | hrm | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hack | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | tests | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | TESTS | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | argh | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | hack | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry about that | 21:12 |
| @preaction | no you're not. don't lie to me | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I'm sorry that I had to bring it up | 21:12 |
| @preaction | but yes, TESTS | 21:15 |
| @apeiron | s/tests/tuits/ | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | both | 21:15 |
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| @apeiron | hum, you PB folk need to register your nicks. :) | 21:19 |
| @preaction | yes indeed | 21:19 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+oooo bopbop dagitz tavisto Vrby_] by apeiron | 21:19 | |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o Meatbop] by preaction | 21:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | so what does a dagitz do at PB? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | hacker, marketer, support? | 21:20 |
| @preaction | tabitha_, you're plainblack staff, no? | 21:20 |
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| tabitha_ | Yes, I am | 21:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | khenn, slahsing is so 2007 | 21:21 |
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| @BugSlasherMcFran | yes so it's now retro | 21:21 |
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| -!- perlDreamer is now known as dayJob | 21:22 | |
| -!- preaction is now known as BugTrasherMcDoug | 21:22 | |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | agh! It's an affront to the house of McDouglas that I canno fit my full name and title into the space provided | 21:23 |
| +dayJob | I've never met anyone who could write with a Scottish accent before | 21:23 |
| @Meatbop | he's got skillz, yo | 21:24 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's all abowt the vowels | 21:24 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so that bug i mentioned earlier... i wrote a fix but the test works without the fix (and also with it) | 21:25 |
| +dayJob | the test was failing, I think rizen tweaked it last night | 21:25 |
| +dayJob | might want to revert to double check | 21:25 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's still failing | 21:26 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | at least, on my box | 21:26 |
| @Haarg | doug, what was the asset manager fix? | 21:27 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | dayJob, do you really like me? | 21:28 |
| +dayJob | BugSlasherMcFrnk, I'd write your i18n and Help for you | 21:28 |
| +dayJob | that's how much I like you | 21:28 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | sweet | 21:28 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | Haarg, i was using Asset->lockedBy which returned a User object, when I just wanted a userId | 21:28 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | BugSlasherMcGirk is wrong again | 21:28 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so i changed it to use Asset->get( 'isLockedBy' ) | 21:28 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | he said nobody really liked me | 21:28 |
| @Haarg | should it be working on dusk then? | 21:28 |
| +dayJob | well, I'm only one person... ;) | 21:29 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | Haarg, the other problem was it wasn't added to WebGUI.conf.original. so you have to make a new demo for it to work on dusk | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | ok | 21:30 |
| @tavisto | Frank the Tank, you need to represent w/ your real name | 21:30 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | but you are still somebody and therefore his claim of "nobody" is false | 21:30 |
| @apeiron | BugSlasherMcFrnk, Do I count as somebody? | 21:32 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | apeiron, you don't like frank, what are you saying? | 21:33 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | yeah you don't fool me | 21:33 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | I've made you spend the last 6 months of your life writing JavaScript | 21:33 |
| @apeiron | pfft, see, if you thought I counted as somebody, I might've changed my mind. | 21:33 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | you hate me | 21:33 |
| +dayJob | hate is such a strong word | 21:34 |
| +dayJob | he'd only like to see you skinned | 21:34 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | must be a west coast thing | 21:34 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | I believe that the intensity of the word increases the more west you go | 21:35 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6719 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Syndicated Content wobject makes H::T choke | 22:44 |
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| @bopbop | preaction: how is the new week order supposed to work in the calendar- being able to arbitrarily order events? | 22:52 |
| @bopbop | I don't see anything in the user interface | 22:52 |
| @bopbop | um, I guess that would be BugTrasherMcDoug | 22:52 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | heh... uh... | 22:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i believe first you have to have Admin On | 22:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | then you should see Up and Down arrows next to the events | 22:53 |
| @bopbop | ooooh, realy | 22:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | the order should only get changed on the Month view | 22:53 |
| @bopbop | really- let me try | 22:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so you use the Week view to change the order on the Month view | 22:53 |
| @bopbop | nope, I have admin on | 22:53 |
| @bopbop | no arrows | 22:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | are you trying to order by Sequence Number? | 22:54 |
| @bopbop | in what screen am I supposed to be able to do this? | 22:54 |
| @bopbop | because I don't see anything that would allow me to change anything | 22:54 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | the Week view screen | 22:54 |
| @bopbop | yep, I'm in there | 22:54 |
| @bopbop | and I don't see anything different | 22:55 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | right, i'm saying you might have to go into the Calendar properties, Display tab, and change the order to Sequence Number in order to see it | 22:55 |
| @bopbop | ok, I'll try | 22:55 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i don't know, i didn't write it | 22:55 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | but i can lok | 22:55 |
| @bopbop | oh, I was told you wrote it | 22:55 |
| @bopbop | ok | 22:55 |
| @bopbop | who did? | 22:55 |
| @bopbop | there it is- that worked- thanks | 22:56 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | no. Stephen Opal wrote it for a client of ours | 22:57 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: dagitz * r6720 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/root_import_gallery-templates_gallery.css.wgpkg: Corrected ticket: Subject: photo gallery template - Modified css to hide extra text in titles, and modified template to accommodate gallery description. | 23:05 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: dagitz * r6721 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/root_import_gallery-templates_default-gallery-list-albums-view.wgpkg: more from last commit | 23:05 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6722 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RSSFromParent.pm): fixed: Security issue in CS RSS feeds | 23:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6723 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: added a gotcha in case people were relying on buggy, insecure behavior | 23:31 |
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| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | preaction: are you looking at the pop up calendar issue? | 23:47 |
| @BugSlasherMcFrnk | er BugTrasherMcDoug I mean =) | 23:47 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i am now | 23:47 |
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| ESAD | Hi again | 23:48 |
| ESAD | What algorithm is being used to generate the filenames in www/uploads? | 23:48 |
| -!- ESAD is now known as SquOnk | 23:48 | |
| +dayJob | SquOnk: can you read perl? | 23:48 |
| SquOnk | dayJob: Sure. Where is it? | 23:48 |
| +dayJob | Session/Id.pm | 23:49 |
| +dayJob | it's a base-64 MD5 | 23:49 |
| +dayJob | used for uniqueness, not security | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | Aha | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | There's a "bug" there, then. | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | :-) | 23:49 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | uhoh | 23:50 |
| SquOnk | Turns out it can (and has) generated files with leading dashes in their names... | 23:50 |
| +dayJob | that's not a bug | 23:50 |
| +dayJob | that's by design | 23:50 |
| SquOnk | ...it's not a bug per se, but it makes some tasks a tad difficult | 23:50 |
| +dayJob | yes | 23:50 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | the use of - and _ instead of / and +? | 23:50 |
| SquOnk | BugSlasherMcFrnk: Exactly | 23:51 |
| +dayJob | yeah, sometimes - is interpreted as a command line option | 23:51 |
| +dayJob | where is it bothering you, SquOnk? | 23:51 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | can't be avoided. the URLs are more important | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | In particular, while building the Debian package I'm having to jump through hoops to make things right. | 23:51 |
| +dayJob | maybe the debian packaging tools need to handle proper Unix filenames ;) | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | When I build the package, I use a tool named dh_install to copy things around... | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | dayJob: True | 23:51 |
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| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i mean, there might be another special character we could use, but which one? .? ,? | 23:52 |
| @apeiron | It's nothing about Debian but rather an artifact of the implementation of getopt. | 23:52 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i think it's the problem with having the shell doing the globbing | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | It bothered me, too, until I found out about -- | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | gnu getopt uses -- to terminate looking for switches | 23:52 |
| @apeiron | A tool which doesn't use getopt won't see the problem. | 23:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah, and I'm in fact filing a bug about that on dh_install | 23:53 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: The problem showed up on 7.5.11 because there are to images inside a '--' directory :-) | 23:53 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | apeiron, sure it will, at least, if it tries to do the same thing getopt does. the shell does the glob, passes the arguments containing dashes (beginning with dashes) and then the program starts coughing | 23:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6724 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Dashboard no longer uses AjaxRequest methods | 23:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6725 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-webgui/build/datepicker/datepicker.js: Calendar no longer shows up behind elements with z-index lower than 100 | 23:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: dagitz * r6726 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/ (style3_main_top.jpg.wgpkg style3_css03.css.wgpkg): Changes jpg to remove ugly grey bar, and modified css to make Menu more legible. | 23:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6727 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Calendar no longer show up behind admin console | 23:54 |
| @apeiron | BugTrasherMcDoug, What does globbing have to do with getopt? | 23:54 |
| * SquOnk is hoping those files disappear in 7.5.13 | 23:54 | |
| SquOnk | apeiron: If you have a file named '--' it shows early on a * wildcard | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | don't count on it, SquOnk. WebGUI is like this big ball of aluminum foil that just keeps growing | 23:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, except for certain JS files | 23:55 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, if the file name changes a bit, then the checksum will too :-) | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | are they based on filenames? | 23:56 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's not a checksum really. it's just a random ID | 23:56 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | based on date/time, a random number, some other stuff | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | name of your site config file | 23:56 |
| SquOnk | I'm talking about /www/uploads/--/qe/--qeq91xu4bPCfTNHQTN6g/* | 23:57 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | yeah. if someone found which package created that and re-IDed the storage location, it would disappear | 23:58 |
| --- Day changed Sat Jun 14 2008 | ||
| +perlDreamer | but doesn't the rich editor use the actual path to show files? | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | or is it smart enough now to use URLs? | 00:00 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it depends on what was using that. if it was just a template, it was probably using the FileURL macro | 00:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6728 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/root_import_default-donation-template.wgpkg: Fixes a serious rendering bug which was destroying page layouts | 00:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6729 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: HTTP Proxy errors when posting files through proxy | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | destroying page layouts. I like the sound of that | 00:24 |
| @Meatbop | pretty much what it was doing | 00:24 |
| @Meatbop | tavis wasn't far off on how much it was screwing stuff up | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Meatbop++ for reversing destruction | 00:25 |
| @tavisto | haha oh the donation eh | 00:30 |
| @tavisto | that donation issue was a serious thing... and each browser got killed a bit differently | 00:30 |
| SquOnk | Hmmm. Uglier. In the current revision there's -- and -e :-) | 00:30 |
| @Meatbop | oh i agree | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | wG was killing us softly with its song | 00:30 |
| @tavisto | now, Rizen was going to look at the "Cannot instantiate Template" but he now has a much more important bug to work on.... So who's going to be my hero and fix the damn issue with adding stuff to cart | 00:31 |
| @tavisto | winner gets a big wet sloppy kiss from Steve-o | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | How about we swap the bws kiss for a movie? | 00:31 |
| @Meatbop | yeah, the mono is clearing up nicely too | 00:31 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto looks around the room for any takers | 00:31 |
| @tavisto | okay... So colin wants to hold off on the kiss and wants steve to take him to a movie... and sit in the back row | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: just have rizen's henchmen ship another round of viruses out west, that will take care of the problem. | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd only need about 1 more day of sick time to fix the bugs | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | and then get fired from my job | 00:32 |
| @apeiron | I'm beginning to think this fixUrl thing has nothing to do with the code I added. If I comment it out completely, it still happens. | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | apeiron, that's certainly possible | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | here's my new favorite debug tool | 00:38 |
| @apeiron | pleasedontbeaguitoolpleasedontbeaguitool | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | my @frame = caller(1); $self->session->log->warn("called from $frame[3]"); | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you know me better than that ;) | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | although, I think it would help all of us to learn perl's debugger better | 00:39 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | perlDreamer, why that when you can use Carp qw( longmess ); $self->session->errorHandler->info( longmess ); <- full stack trace | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | smaller | 00:39 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | pfft. more info == better than | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm a minimalist | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I didn't know about longmess | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | a full trace would be better | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | because then you don't have to sprinkle that caller(1) stuff all over the place by hand | 00:45 |
| @apeiron | I've been using longmess, but I appreciate the reminder about caller. | 00:46 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | anyone else notice that the new datepicker doesn't work on the Admin Console > Users > Profile tab? | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope | 00:48 |
| @apeiron | Haven't tested it. | 00:49 |
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| @tavisto | haha | 00:53 |
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| @tavisto | Whoever did the hover help for product... nice job | 00:53 |
| * perlDreamer bows | 00:53 | |
| @tavisto | "Enter a sincere message.... or they may cancel their purchase and buy from Amazon.com instead.." | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | man, I thought it would take a while for sombody to find that one. | 00:53 |
| @tavisto | negative. | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | considering I can only test a small % of commerce stuff.. Im going thru the works of what I can | 00:54 |
| @tavisto | I'm really looking forward to be able to sell my collection of cheetah thongs online through WebGUI | 00:55 |
| @tavisto | being able | 00:55 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | BANANA HAMMOCK | 00:55 |
| @tavisto | :) | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | We're all concerned about your abilities, tavisto | 00:55 |
| * perlDreamer prepares for nasty payback at the WUC | 00:55 | |
| SquOnk | lol | 00:55 |
| @tavisto | you'll rue the day you crossed me..... Trebek. | 00:57 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6730 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (upgrade_7.4.21-7.5.0.pl upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): | 00:58 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Changed several hardcoded '../..' for $webguiRoot in file deletions | 00:58 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: with unlink and rmtree on upgrade scripts. | 00:58 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6731 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Asset manager can now update ranks again | 00:58 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6732 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm): fixed: cannot manage revisions in version tag | 00:58 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6733 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed several ems badge related bugs. a couple upgrade bugs for ems and transaction. and jury rigged a fix for recurring transaction postback. | 00:58 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | Kebert Xela | 00:58 |
| * BugTrasherMcDoug disappears in a cloud of smoke | 00:58 | |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you vs me is like Cory Elwes vs Wallace Shawn | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and we all know how that turned out, so just step back, smooth your hair and let me get away with the princess | 01:02 |
| @apeiron | blah. Okay, so, I create a new asset. That process calls www_editSave. For, say, an article, there's already a url field in the form post. | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | But for something else, like, say, a wiki child, there's not. | 01:04 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | correct | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | So I just did some testing with such. | 01:05 |
| @apeiron | I put in some debugging into www_editSave along the lines of http://sial.org/pbot/31300 | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | whose www_editSave? | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | Asset.pm | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and you made an article with a blank URL? | 01:08 |
| @apeiron | This was a wikipage. Let me test article. | 01:09 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | that's how it works, yes | 01:09 |
| @apeiron | 2008/06/13 17:10:49 - WARN - localhost.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - I'm a newbie and my ID is o-Tz3Fohj2W0Jfql-J__tg and my URL is /o-tz3fohj2w0jfql-j__tg # article | 01:11 |
| @apeiron | The URL for the article after it's committed is showing up properly, however. | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | You know, someone had to go through the WebGUI Request cycle at a WUC. And we have the workflow poster, but I'm starting to feel the need for an editSave flow diagram, with plugins and override points. | 01:13 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i'd throw some debug code into Asset->update and see exactly when the URL is getting set from the form | 01:13 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, That request cycle talk is outdated, now, I think, with the new content handlers setup. | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 01:14 |
| @Haarg | content and url handlers | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but do you see what I mean? About some big complex system that no one really fully understands anymore? | 01:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | the workflow poster is out of date now too | 01:16 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | yeah, the www_editSave also does a lot with magical keys in the definition() | 01:16 |
| @apeiron | huh. | 01:17 |
| @apeiron | One of the calls to update is getting an object of type wG::Session::Form. | 01:17 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | rather, update() and processPropertiesFromFormPost do | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | which are called from editSave | 01:17 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | right | 01:17 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's a complicated process that could use a lot of light shed on it | 01:18 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | probably one of the biggest (if not THE biggest) hurdle to understanding the Asset system | 01:18 |
| * perlDreamer hands BugTrasherMcDoug a light shed | 01:18 | |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | this isn't big enough. MORE LIGHT SHED | 01:18 |
| @apeiron | http://sial.org/pbot/31301 # hum | 01:20 |
| @apeiron | I'm fairly certain it's the Dumper in update() as most of the others are commented out, and the only one that isn't is for WSClient. | 01:21 |
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| @BugTrasherMcDoug | dat probably be a bug | 01:21 |
| @apeiron | Yeah. Now to find out how it's happening. | 01:21 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6734 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): date picker shows time after moving through months | 01:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6735 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: document absolute path for spectre | 01:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: dagitz * r6736 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/root_import_thingy-templates_thingy.css.wgpkg: Modified to expand drop down and eliminate squishing in thingy | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | thingies were squishy? | 01:22 |
| @apeiron | You can see by the fourth one that the URL is already b0rked. | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's supposed to be b0rked, but the "old" unb0rkage isn't happening | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | try that on 7.4 | 01:23 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | yeah. | 01:23 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | the URL gets created initially with the assetId, since URL is a required field. something has to be there | 01:23 |
| @apeiron | What, doing a Dumper($properties) in ->update() ? | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:23 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | also, include a longmess in there for a stack trace | 01:24 |
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| wgGuest32 | Hi | 01:26 |
| wgGuest32 | I have a question about the cs | 01:26 |
| wgGuest32 | How can i put the option in a cs to send the thread to email? | 01:27 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | you have to subscribe to the CS, then you'll get new threads by email | 01:27 |
| wgGuest32 | mmmmm | 01:28 |
| wgGuest32 | yes | 01:28 |
| wgGuest32 | but, i want to an user can send to a friend the thread | 01:28 |
| wgGuest32 | for email | 01:29 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | not possible that i'm aware of | 01:29 |
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| wgGuest32 | How can i do this? | 01:32 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | you could make a subclass of the collaboration system with a new www_ page to send a thread to an e-mail address | 01:34 |
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| wgGuest32 | But the mail can´t contain the trhead | 01:38 |
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| @apeiron | wgGuest32, Do you want to send the URL of the thread in the email? | 01:41 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Now that I have a 7.4 setup, it's giving me the same "b0rked" dump in one of the ->update() calls. | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | in one of them, yes | 01:45 |
| @apeiron | Yes. | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but probably not the last one? | 01:45 |
| @apeiron | But, obviously, wikis work in 7.4. :) | 01:45 |
| @apeiron | Correct. | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the last one is probably called by the autocommit workflow? | 01:46 |
| @apeiron | hrm, not sure if it's autocommit but yeah, it's called from CommitVersionTag.pm. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | this is exactly the same bug that we spent last night working on | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | realtime workflows | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the asset is set up with "some" url | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then calls commit, which updates the real url | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then the original asset comes back and stomps on the url | 01:47 |
| @apeiron | Where by 'original' you mean the one logged towards the beginning of my paste, yes? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:48 |
| @apeiron | heh. Was this resolved last night? :) | 01:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it was for asset status | 01:49 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | no. it was for Post / Thread | 01:51 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | seems it needs more fine-tuning | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, thanks for clarifying BugTrasherMcDoug las | 01:52 |
| @apeiron | <CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6696 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm: fix posting threads # this commit? | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it moved some stuff from processProperties into postProcess for better sequencing | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but it sounds like URL (and probably other stuff) was not fixed by that change | 01:52 |
| @apeiron | hum | 01:53 |
| @apeiron | How come it's affecting wikis, though, as well as CSs and galleries? | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | they call update after commit | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | when you call commit, it calls VersionTag | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | which gets FRESH copies of all assets | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | then, when it returns from commit, the originating asset still has bad data | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | which gets saved on update | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | accidently | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | coincidently | 01:54 |
| @apeiron | ... and completely unrelated to the inheritUrlFromParent thing I did. | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | probably :) | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that's my best working theory, from what I've seen | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I could be completely wrong and it's all your fault | 01:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | but not likely | 01:55 |
| @apeiron | heh | 01:55 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | everything that calls update after commit in processPropertiesFromFormPost (which is just about everything, since errors have to be propagated up) would be affected here. i was wondering why GalleryFiles weren't being affected, turns out they were | 01:55 |
| @apeiron | I've tried completely commenting out that part of the code and it's still b0rked, so I find it unlikely that it was the iUFP thing. | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems like only the "contained" assets (Post, WikiPage, Gallery*) are affected by this | 01:56 |
| @apeiron | Right, that's what I was thinking earlier. | 01:56 |
| * apeiron wonders whose idea this whole realtime commit thing was... | 01:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'll give you 0 guesses | 01:58 |
| @apeiron | hum. Being that it affects all of the contained assets, I'm wondering if it's possible to implement a generic solution. | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | "all you need to do" (famous last words) | 01:59 |
| @apeiron | Rather than maintaining the same sort of code in X (for a gradually increasing value of X) places. | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | is find a way to make assets only get commited as their last step | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | if commit always comes last, then there's no "rewriting" by older assets | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | there are other valid solutions, too | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but that might be easiest | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | (with the usual standard disclaimers, of course) | 02:02 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | perlDreamer, the problem with that solution becomes subclassing. Post->postProcess has the requestAutoCommit in it, which is how we got away with fixing it by putting necessary things in Thread->postProcess | 02:03 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | but GalleryFile does the same thing, and has no postProcess | 02:03 |
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| @apeiron | Right, neither do Wiki* | 02:04 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so, in this case, overridine ppffp would be bad to do update(), and instead we should probably add a postProcess-like method to do that | 02:04 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so ppffp does the error-checking, and postProcess does any mungling that needs doing | 02:04 |
| @apeiron | can has mixin? | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | all I'm saying is that commit should be the last thing done by any editSave | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and children have to take care of careful ordering | 02:05 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | that would be ideal. instead of in ppffp, put it in an overridden www_editSave | 02:06 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | might have to run it by rizen | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's just a matter of where the overriding happens | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | putting itn pPFFP guarantees that master's editSave always knows when it happens | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | which is safe | 02:06 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | www_editSave would be safe enough too. it would get called after the SUPER::www_editSave returned | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 02:07 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | we're talking a simple: sub www_editSave { my $self= shift; $self->SUPER::www_editSave( @_ ); $self->requestAutoCommit; } | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, again you have a subclassing problem | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | if SUPER calls commit | 02:07 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | you mean requestAutoCommit? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | any commit, really | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | or does anything which does not update the object cache | 02:08 |
| @apeiron | Update the object cache, eh? hmmm. | 02:08 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | why couldn't the default www_editSave call requestAutoCommit IFF getAutoCommitWorkflowId returns some truish value? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | $self->{_properties}, apeiron | 02:09 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's not a cache, it's the curren object right in memory, but yeah $self->{_properties} | 02:09 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | there's no way for VersionTag.pm to update that | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 02:09 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Yes, exactly. That's the problem that we're facing, isn't it? | 02:09 |
| @apeiron | Stale _properties being written. | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, exactly | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it was worse until I made update update the property cache :) | 02:09 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | the default www_editSave handles Auto Request Commit and Skip Commit Comments, why not getAutoCommitWorkflowId too? | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | That might work | 02:10 |
| @apeiron | oi. There definitely needs to be a talk on this at the '09 WUC. | 02:10 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | i'm thinking there needs to be a talk far sooner, as this problem needs to be fixed yesterday | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, I think it needs to be a separate commitMe type method | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise you have to update Asset.pm's editSave for every new kind of commit | 02:11 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | so the default commitMe would do the settings Auto Request Commit and SKip Commit Comments, and you could override to put $self->requestAutoCommit in there? | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | right, so www_editSave does stuff, then calls commitMe | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | separate them out | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | but maybe ->commit should do that | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we need to pow-wow about it | 02:12 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | then commitMe can be used for packages, clipboard, trash, etc... | 02:12 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | shortcuts | 02:12 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | all the places where the copypaste is now | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, think encapsulation, separable actions | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | we have big, heavy methods | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | they need to be light and specific | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | easy to sub-class, inherit or override | 02:13 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | yes | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | this is whiteboard work | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | which means y'all are going to have to do it in Mad-city | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | 'cause we can't wait for the WUC | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it will also mean ripping up the Asset API, which JT promised not to do for 5 years | 02:14 |
| @apeiron | Hum, 5 years beyond 2009 or 2010? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the first promise was 2006? | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so 2011 | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | no API changes for 5 years | 02:14 |
| @apeiron | sigh. At any rate, we need a solution to this now, as things are quite, uhm, b0rked. | 02:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:15 |
| @apeiron | Take a look at the URLs for new bugs on wG.org to see what I mean. | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | BugTrasherMcDoug's first suggestino about moving autoCommit into Asset.pm's editSave is really good | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no more subclassing that | 02:16 |
| +perlDreamer | should help quite a bit | 02:16 |
| @apeiron | hum, I'm not finding an autoCommit method. Do you mean the autoCommit lines in wG::AssetVersionTag::addRevision ? | 02:18 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | requestAutoCommit is the method | 02:18 |
| @BugTrasherMcDoug | it's in AssetVersioning | 02:18 |
| @apeiron | Ah. | 02:18 |
| @apeiron | Case sensitive ack ftl | 02:18 |
| +perlDreamer | ack -i | 02:20 |
| @apeiron | Indeed. | 02:21 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9094138&pageNumber=1 # NASA using extreme programming for Phoenix mission | 02:45 |
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| perlDreamer | is it fixed yet? | 03:41 |
| perlDreamer | Product cannot instanciate template is fixed now | 03:54 |
| @apeiron | hrm. preaction's solution of overriding www_editSave to do $self->requestAutoCommit after calling the superclass isn't resolving the URL issue. | 04:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6737 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm): clean-up www_buy and addToCart. inventory control is now completely in the cart | 04:07 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6738 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: documenting fixed bug with new templates | 04:07 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Am I missing soemthing from preaction's suggestion? sub www_editSave { my $self= shift; $self->SUPER::www_editSave( @_ ); $self->requestAutoCommit; } ? | 04:15 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction's suggestion was to move the requestAutoCommit call inside www_editSave in Asset.pm. Your subclass looks like it does the same thing | 04:42 |
| perlDreamer | (sorry, was eating) | 04:42 |
| @apeiron | hrm. Inside Asset.pm? Interesting. | 04:42 |
| @apeiron | There's a bunch of exit points in Asset.pm... | 04:42 |
| @apeiron | I shall have to cattleprod someone into explaining this whole process to me offline. | 04:46 |
| perlDreamer | I'd do it, but you're on the wrong side of the continent | 04:49 |
| @apeiron | yeah. | 04:49 |
| perlDreamer | you out of school for the summer? | 04:49 |
| @apeiron | Two weeks. | 04:49 |
| @apeiron | Coincidentally my first week off is the week of YAPC. | 04:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6739 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.12-7.5.13.pl): must add the column to the db, as well as to the code. | 04:52 |
| perlDreamer | can you put metadata into mysql columns? | 04:52 |
| @apeiron | How do you mean? | 04:52 |
| @apeiron | Metadata for the column itself? | 04:52 |
| perlDreamer | no, other metadata that might be used by other things | 04:52 |
| @apeiron | I'm not sure I understand what you mean. | 04:53 |
| perlDreamer | well, I just got bit by adding the thankYouMessage to the FlatDiscount Sku | 04:53 |
| perlDreamer | I added it to the code, but forgot to add it to the db | 04:53 |
| @apeiron | ah. | 04:53 |
| @apeiron | Right, and kablooey. | 04:53 |
| perlDreamer | so I was thinking that if all the info could be in 1 place, that it would be one less thing to remember | 04:53 |
| * apeiron has done that | 04:53 | |
| perlDreamer | and I think the right place is the db | 04:54 |
| perlDreamer | but then you'd need metadata in a column | 04:54 |
| @apeiron | Do you mean a thankYouMessage DB field? | 04:54 |
| @apeiron | Like url and such in assetData? | 04:54 |
| * apeiron is largely shop 2.0-ignorant | 04:54 | |
| perlDreamer | yes and no | 04:54 |
| perlDreamer | that's the right field that I forgot to add to the db | 04:54 |
| @apeiron | hum, so... migrate $definition to the DB? | 04:55 |
| perlDreamer | maybe | 04:55 |
| perlDreamer | not sure if it's a good idea | 04:55 |
| @apeiron | I'm not sure if it's entirely possible. | 04:55 |
| @apeiron | It may limit what can be in a definition, and I'd rather not see that. | 04:56 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 04:58 |
| perlDreamer | I don't have a copy of Safari, or I'd tackle Tavis's shelf bug | 04:59 |
| @apeiron | Have a copy of Windows? | 04:59 |
| perlDreamer | No | 04:59 |
| perlDreamer | I'm windows free! | 04:59 |
| @apeiron | hrmph. | 04:59 |
| @apeiron | Tried Konqueror? | 04:59 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, I'm not so fond of it | 04:59 |
| @apeiron | Be that as it may, it uses WebKit just like Safari, so it may show Tavis's shelf bug. | 04:59 |
| perlDreamer | ah | 05:00 |
| perlDreamer | I'll try it | 05:00 |
| @apeiron | Ah, my mistake. WebKit was derived from KHTML. | 05:00 |
| perlDreamer | nope, works okay on Konq | 05:01 |
| perlDreamer | Actually, I was planning on installing Windows in a VM | 05:01 |
| perlDreamer | and I have a valid windows key for my laptop | 05:01 |
| perlDreamer | but no install media | 05:01 |
| perlDreamer | it makes me mad that you don't get install media with laptops, just system images | 05:03 |
| @apeiron | s/laptops/Windows laptops/ | 05:03 |
| perlDreamer | indeed | 05:04 |
| perlDreamer | are MB's any different? | 05:04 |
| @apeiron | My MBP came with Tiger media (as Tiger was the current version), and the iMac I just bought came with Leopard media. | 05:05 |
| @apeiron | I can't speak for non-Pro MBs, though. | 05:06 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: do you use the RSS feed from SVN::Web? | 05:08 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Nope, I generally rely on good ol' CIA-6 here. Is the RSS feed more up to date? | 05:09 |
| perlDreamer | it's a little faster, but the dates in the feed are messed up | 05:09 |
| @apeiron | hrm | 05:09 |
| @apeiron | oh wow, heh. | 05:09 |
| @apeiron | Unix epoch times! | 05:09 |
| @apeiron | Reminds me of http://xkcd.com/376/ | 05:11 |
| perlDreamer | must just be in a bad format that NewsFox can't read | 05:13 |
| @apeiron | No, it's broken in other readers, too. | 05:13 |
| @apeiron | http://template-toolkit.org/svnweb/Template2/rss # seems like it's just wG's | 05:16 |
| @apeiron | <dc:date>1970-01-01T00:53:41</dc:date> | 05:17 |
| @apeiron | That's directly from the raw XML. | 05:17 |
| perlDreamer | from the SVN::Web page, it's probably a configuration problem | 05:18 |
| perlDreamer | need to get a copy of the config.yaml file | 05:18 |
| @apeiron | Yeah, i found that file. hmm. | 05:20 |
| perlDreamer | http://search.cpan.org/~nikc/SVN-Web-0.53/lib/SVN/Web.pm#CONFIGURATION | 05:20 |
| @apeiron | Note: RSS dates have a specific format. Accordingly, the timezone and timedate_format configuration options are ignored by this action. # http://search.cpan.org/~nikc/SVN-Web-0.53/lib/SVN/Web/RSS.pm | 05:22 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 05:22 |
| perlDreamer | so what's up? | 05:22 |
| @apeiron | I'm not sure. | 05:23 |
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| @tavisto | I just thought I would pop in and share this with you all: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25151233/ | 05:24 |
| @apeiron | It's on frozen, and frozen's system time is correct, so I'm not sure. | 05:24 |
| @tavisto | yes, this is 100% true. | 05:25 |
| perlDreamer | I fixed a bunch of your bugs | 05:25 |
| @tavisto | sweet! | 05:25 |
| @tavisto | did you fix the template one? | 05:25 |
| @tavisto | *drum roll* | 05:25 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 05:25 |
| perlDreamer | that one was your fault | 05:25 |
| @tavisto | :( | 05:25 |
| perlDreamer | but I fixed it for you anyway | 05:25 |
| @tavisto | what was the issue? | 05:25 |
| perlDreamer | bad marketing request late in development | 05:26 |
| @tavisto | son of ah... i didn't think anyone know about those | 05:26 |
| perlDreamer | and I have a suggestion for your safari bugs | 05:26 |
| perlDreamer | install IE :) | 05:26 |
| @tavisto | I have IE, Firefox, and IE | 05:26 |
| @tavisto | gah | 05:26 |
| @tavisto | and Safari | 05:26 |
| Radix__ | and opera | 05:27 |
| @tavisto | used to have opera on my blackberry | 05:27 |
| @tavisto | guess I could fire up my WII and surf :) | 05:27 |
| Radix__ | heh | 05:27 |
| @tavisto | so perlDreamer, have you heard when we're releasing new beta bugfix then | 05:28 |
| perlDreamer | no, I haven't heard | 05:28 |
| @tavisto | well then what good are you... honestly | 05:28 |
| perlDreamer | you'd need to ask the big guy | 05:28 |
| @apeiron | Probably not until we get this ugly URL bug fixed. =\ | 05:28 |
| @tavisto | no way.. he's busy working on some crazy hard bug | 05:28 |
| perlDreamer | well, I'm good at putting bugs into code | 05:28 |
| perlDreamer | and somewhat good at getting them out | 05:28 |
| @tavisto | when he turns off IM and jumps outta IRC that's a sign he's locked away in his office | 05:29 |
| @tavisto | he's probably swearing a lot too | 05:29 |
| @apeiron | heh. Wonder if he's working on the same bug I've been. | 05:29 |
| @tavisto | alright, well that's good news about you fixing the bugs I reported.. I'm sure it wont be the last for e-commerce | 05:30 |
| @tavisto | he told me it was going to take him the whole weekend to fix | 05:30 |
| @apeiron | ha, this is first round low-hanging fruit. | 05:30 |
| @tavisto | that's all I know. | 05:30 |
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| @tavisto | whoa he is alive | 05:31 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: I'm working on your subscription migration bug | 05:31 |
| @tavisto | and now you all know why I hate Rizen | 05:31 |
| perlDreamer | so don't work on it :) | 05:31 |
| perlDreamer | but I'm going to take a small shower and break some kids | 05:31 |
| perlDreamer | or something like that. sigh. | 05:31 |
| @rizen | ok | 05:32 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto calls child protective services | 05:32 |
| @rizen | my niece is here so i took her out to get dinner and then we've been playing games | 05:32 |
| @tavisto | JT did you see kung fu panda yet | 05:32 |
| @rizen | nope, and don't plan on it....ever...if i can help it | 05:33 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. I think it looks good but I like Jack Black | 05:33 |
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| perlDreamer | so where are we on Shop? | 05:47 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6740 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: partial fix for subscription migration isHidden, isHidden=1 in the upgrade script | 05:58 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: I fixed the actual upgrade script itself. for the subscription migration, do you want another upgrade script that fixes ones that don't have isHidden set? | 06:16 |
| @rizen | probably a good idea, but also not hugely important if you don't | 06:17 |
| @rizen | this is the beta after all | 06:17 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, but I think it would be easy to do. | 06:17 |
| @rizen | i'm taking the rest of the night off, will be back on ems bugs tomorrow and sunday between practicing my speeches for yapc | 06:18 |
| perlDreamer | have fun, dude | 06:19 |
| @apeiron | Night and thanks! | 06:19 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6741 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.12-7.5.13.pl: fix a few typos in the upgrade script that I added | 07:03 |
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| @tavisto | wow this channel is exciting | 21:03 |
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| pilaf153 | has anyone had luck upgrading to 7.5.11 | 21:32 |
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| pilaf153 | will upgrades to beta versions work with 0.8.3? | 21:54 |
| @tavisto | hey Pilaf153, are you upgrading from 7.4.x? | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | 0.8.3 is the WRE version and not the WebGUI version itself | 22:04 |
| @tavisto | if you goto admin console >> statistics you can see what version of WebGUI you are running | 22:05 |
| @tavisto | don't upgrade to 7.5.11 in a production environment as this is a brand new beta and there's plenty of issues that need to be addressed.. I'm assuming there will be a new version released here in a couple days to address many of the critical ones | 22:06 |
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| pilaf153 | I currenty upgrade to the most stable and trying to upgrade to any of the 7.5 beta versions but having problems. No worries I am not in a production env just working on one | 22:29 |
| pilaf153 | I have been waitong for 7.5.11 for the commerce upgrades before moving futher. I am excited to see them but cant get any upgrades to work after 7.4.39 | 22:33 |
| pilaf153 | I installed all the perl scripts that were requested in the newest gotcha file but not sure if I am missing anything else how would I find out? | 22:39 |
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| @rizen | we've upgraded 40+ sites on our servers so far | 23:40 |
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| pilaf153 | It looks like when using the product macro you have to log in at a certain point is this function called in the Product.pm file? | 02:19 |
| @tavisto | on 7.4 and previous versions of WebGUI, you must enable Product macro as it's not enabled by default | 02:21 |
| pilaf153 | yeah I am using the product macr now | 02:21 |
| pilaf153 | but when you go through the checkout process | 02:21 |
| pilaf153 | it asks you to log in | 02:21 |
| pilaf153 | I am looking for where that happens | 02:21 |
| @tavisto | correct | 02:21 |
| @tavisto | that is required | 02:21 |
| @tavisto | both in current 7.4 and also on 7.5 | 02:22 |
| pilaf153 | why is it required? | 02:22 |
| @tavisto | it's for security reasons | 02:22 |
| @tavisto | in 7.5 and forward, wG tracks purchase history and shipping info | 02:22 |
| @tavisto | JT said in his blog that it's the only way for us to accomplish the functionality that was required | 02:22 |
| pilaf153 | if it was not there could the next person who checks out see the last persons info? | 02:22 |
| @tavisto | no, but it's how wG stores the data for individual users | 02:23 |
| @tavisto | the form would obviously be blank and etc.. | 02:23 |
| @tavisto | if you want to know more about it you can go to http://www.plainblack.com/tbb | 02:23 |
| @tavisto | he has a post called Next: WebGUI Shop | 02:23 |
| pilaf153 | ok then next question is how does a user register | 02:23 |
| pilaf153 | is there an asset for that | 02:23 |
| @tavisto | no asset, a user (during checkout) clicks on "create a new account" | 02:24 |
| pilaf153 | I didnt see that maybe I missed it | 02:24 |
| @tavisto | you also get that option when you click on login | 02:24 |
| @tavisto | anywhere on the site | 02:24 |
| @tavisto | any login areas, (granted not on the demo style), have that link | 02:24 |
| pilaf153 | really? I will look now | 02:24 |
| @tavisto | you can customize that login screen to to allow for custom text and such to be on it | 02:24 |
| pilaf153 | will it show up in admin mode | 02:25 |
| pilaf153 | or only when logged off | 02:25 |
| @tavisto | well yeah but your options will look different when you are logged in | 02:25 |
| pilaf153 | I just logged out and went to my login screen | 02:26 |
| pilaf153 | I dont see anything allowing anyone to register | 02:26 |
| pilaf153 | maybe there are properties in the user settings that I have not set up | 02:27 |
| pilaf153 | I will go look around | 02:27 |
| pilaf153 | found it | 02:39 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6742 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (ShipDriver/FlatRate.t Ship.t): WebGUI ships with 1 driver, do not delete it | 07:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6743 /WebGUI/t/Shop/ (ShipDriver/FlatRate.t ShipDriver.t): fixes for deleting ship drivers created during testing | 07:50 |
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| perlDreamer | hey, folks | 00:55 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6745 /WebGUI/t/Shop/Pay.t: clean up cleaning up and make the getPaymentGateways test more robust | 01:08 |
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| BartJol | morning | 16:54 |
| slickware | 'morning | 16:54 |
| BartJol | who did the activity_requestApprovalForVersionTag stuff? | 16:54 |
| BartJol | in 7.5.11 | 16:54 |
| slickware | couldn't tell you | 16:55 |
| BartJol | trying to translate, first one already looks strange | 16:56 |
| slickware | i don't program unfortunately... i just hang out for the witicisms and the design advice | 16:56 |
| BartJol | a group that needs approval from a activity | 16:56 |
| BartJol | the word from might better be for... | 16:56 |
| BartJol | just unsure | 16:57 |
| slickware | i agree | 16:57 |
| BartJol | thanks, but maybe it is actually from | 16:57 |
| BartJol | didn't use it yet | 16:58 |
| bopbop | BartJol: I know Frank did some work on version tags for this release | 17:00 |
| bopbop | you could check with hiim | 17:00 |
| BartJol | Ok | 17:00 |
| BartJol | thanks | 17:00 |
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| BartJol | darn, SKU should also be translated.... | 17:46 |
| BartJol | Productvariant | 17:46 |
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| BartJol | an SKU is only a manner of telling the type of product isn't it? | 17:48 |
| BartJol | or can it also be a serial number? | 17:48 |
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| bopbop | I think SKU is just a value to keep track of inventory- it can be whatever the user assigns it | 18:03 |
| BartJol | yeah, I'm doubting whether productcode or productvariant is the best to use | 18:04 |
| BartJol | they ar close | 18:04 |
| @tavisto | Haarg, do you know when the next beta is being applied to beta server? | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | either tomorrow or thursday | 18:15 |
| @tavisto | sweetness, AMLA is getting pissy with their e-commerce being down (due to 7.5.11 buggers) | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | I'll bet the changelog is going to be a football field long for this next one :) | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | hopefully | 18:16 |
| perlDreamer | it will be shorter than 7.5.11 | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | really? | 18:16 |
| perlDreamer | oh yeah | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | 7.5.11 was pretty long I guess | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | so, I was contacted by a guy who wants to get rid of oracle portals on his government agency's website | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | wants to use WebGui | 18:17 |
| perlDreamer | 7.5.11 has every bug fix from the 7.4 series, every feature change for 7.5, and all the 7.5.11 custom bug fixes | 18:17 |
| perlDreamer | wise man | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | interesting thing is... | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | they get up to 7million visitors a day | 18:17 |
| @tavisto | not pageviews, not hits... visitors | 18:18 |
| perlDreamer | (sidebar: 7.5.11 has 143 entries in it) | 18:18 |
| BartJol | 7.5.11 indeed keeps me of the streets for a while... | 18:32 |
| perlDreamer | translate, translate, translate | 18:33 |
| perlDreamer | and I wouldn't doubt that there's some missing i18n even yet | 18:34 |
| BartJol | yeah | 18:34 |
| BartJol | well, I think we'll notice that soon enough | 18:34 |
| BartJol | and 1.5 percent translated today (from the missing 12) | 18:39 |
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| BartJol | already saw some strange sentences | 18:43 |
| perlDreamer | why don't you tell me about them, and I'll fix them now? | 18:43 |
| BartJol | Asset_GalleryAlbum -> heplvar form_demote | 18:43 |
| BartJol | use these to move images in the order | 18:44 |
| BartJol | what order? | 18:44 |
| perlDreamer | "Use these to change the order of images" | 18:45 |
| BartJol | activity_requestApprovalForVersionTag stuff_ByCommitterGroup->committerGrouPId | 18:45 |
| BartJol | soonds better | 18:45 |
| BartJol | sounds | 18:46 |
| perlDreamer | helpvar form_promote is the same | 18:46 |
| BartJol | the first sentence states that the group needs permission from the activity | 18:46 |
| BartJol | isn't it for? | 18:46 |
| BartJol | ah, nice to taggle two together | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | "The group that needs approval to use this activity." | 18:47 |
| BartJol | better | 18:48 |
| BartJol | I think that was it for know\ | 18:48 |
| BartJol | but I will save them | 18:48 |
| BartJol | won't be the last I will find | 18:49 |
| perlDreamer | I'll commit these changes now, it will be a while before they show up in the i18n system. | 18:49 |
| perlDreamer | Just post the others as bugs, or grab me on IRC | 18:49 |
| BartJol | okidoki | 18:49 |
| BartJol | perlDreamer what do you think is a better description of SKU: productvariant or productcode? | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | product code | 18:52 |
| BartJol | MrHairgrease agrees | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | the acronym is Stock keeping unit | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | according to Wikipedia | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock-keeping_unit | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | I think of it as a unique identifier | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | in the context of WebGUI, sku's are pretty much just for sync'ing with external systems for intentory control | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | MrHairgrease? Is he around? | 18:53 |
| BartJol | well, then I probably have to change it | 18:53 |
| BartJol | not here | 18:53 |
| BartJol | i have his **private** msn | 18:54 |
| BartJol | happy happy joy joy | 18:54 |
| perlDreamer | oooh! | 18:54 |
| perlDreamer | exclusive access | 18:54 |
| perlDreamer | please with him well on his graduation this week | 18:54 |
| BartJol | yeah, for when he want to drink beer :) | 18:54 |
| perlDreamer | "wish him well" | 18:54 |
| BartJol | he will be ok | 18:54 |
| BartJol | I understood :) | 18:54 |
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| BartJol | I rejoy myself on the prospect of one of his entertaining presentations | 18:56 |
| perlDreamer | His name is -action; preaction; king of the wild frontier | 18:56 |
| perlDreamer | (sung to the tune of Disney's Davy Crockett theme) | 18:56 |
| BartJol | oh, I was thinking james bond | 18:56 |
| BartJol | the amount in the shop is that meant as a natural or continual number | 18:59 |
| slickware | imaginary | 19:00 |
| BartJol | oh, ok | 19:00 |
| perlDreamer | give me a ref, of Dutch wunder-translator | 19:00 |
| BartJol | natural: 1 bag, 2 bags | 19:00 |
| BartJol | continual: 1ounce, 1and a half ounce | 19:01 |
| BartJol | 1 and a quarter ounce | 19:01 |
| perlDreamer | 1 and a half ounces | 19:01 |
| slickware | who is selling ounces | 19:01 |
| BartJol | cheese? | 19:01 |
| perlDreamer | BartJol: It would probably depend on the type of product being sold to tell if it's natural or continual | 19:01 |
| BartJol | yeah, but in Dutch of course there are 2 translations, that refer to other context areas | 19:02 |
| BartJol | ... | 19:02 |
| perlDreamer | which i18n key are you talking about? | 19:02 |
| BartJol | shop->amount | 19:02 |
| perlDreamer | amount is the amount of money | 19:04 |
| BartJol | ah | 19:04 |
| BartJol | but probably there will be something similar for products | 19:04 |
| perlDreamer | I think over there is is called price | 19:05 |
| BartJol | so I expect my problem to arise | 19:05 |
| BartJol | mmm maybe have to install 7.5.11 to get some context referral | 19:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6746 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (2 files): grammatical edits for GalleryAlbum and RequestApprovalForVersionTag_ByCommitterGroup | 19:08 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6747 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm: clarify what "amount" means as a field label in the context | 19:08 |
| perlDreamer | in Products, it is "price" instead of "amount" | 19:08 |
| BartJol | well tomorrow will be another translation day | 19:08 |
| perlDreamer | the Product uses price and quantity | 19:08 |
| BartJol | I already changed that to "Bedrag" which means the amount of money | 19:09 |
| BartJol | so good day to you ladies and gentlemen | 19:10 |
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| slickware | does Frank hang out in here? | 21:37 |
| @khenn | yep | 21:37 |
| slickware | atm? | 21:37 |
| @khenn | yep | 21:37 |
| slickware | which one is he | 21:37 |
| slickware | lol | 21:37 |
| @khenn | me | 21:37 |
| @khenn | hah | 21:37 |
| slickware | oh ok. I just got your email reply | 21:37 |
| @khenn | ok | 21:38 |
| @khenn | I'm at YAPC until Thurs | 21:38 |
| @khenn | so I'm sort of going to be in and out until then | 21:38 |
| slickware | ok | 21:38 |
| slickware | I guess my biggest question would be, does this database need to use the WG user/account system? | 21:39 |
| slickware | none of the clients want to even give users the impression of being able to log in via the website to edit their data | 21:39 |
| slickware | it's a membership directory in the same way that a phonebook is... display only for end users, but editable by the managers | 21:40 |
| @khenn | oh | 21:43 |
| @khenn | perhaps we can talk offline then | 21:43 |
| @khenn | I'll send you an email | 21:44 |
| slickware | cool | 21:48 |
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| lisette | hello, i need know by a query how many post do an user, how to do | 22:30 |
| lisette | ? | 22:31 |
| lisette | ? | 22:34 |
| lisette | i need know how many post do an user, how to do this with a query? | 22:43 |
| @preaction | lisette, when a user makes a post to the CS, their userId is set as the "ownerUserId" in the assetData table | 22:48 |
| lisette | thanks | 22:50 |
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| lisette | don't work | 23:14 |
| perlDreamer | lisette, it has to work. What kind of problem are you having with it? | 23:17 |
| lisette | I have a user test, I just do 3 post, then do the following query: | 23:23 |
| lisette | 23:23 | |
| lisette | select count (*) from assetData where ownerUserId = 'YEPhPPd6Nc-BOWkJhUWoEA' and Asset = 'ccBHNoqaPHpSx2Z1gHS7yA'; | 23:23 |
| lisette | 23:23 | |
| lisette | and count me shed 0. | 23:23 |
| perlDreamer | that's because there's no Asset column in that table. | 23:24 |
| lisette | ah yes, sorry :-[ | 23:25 |
| lisette | select count(*) from assetData where ownerUserId='YEPhPPd6Nc-BOWkJhUWoEA' and assetId='ccBHNoqaPHpSx2Z1gHS7yA'; | 23:25 |
| lisette | don't work | 23:25 |
| lisette | again 0 | 23:26 |
| @preaction | because that assetId isn't owned by that userId probably | 23:27 |
| perlDreamer | preaction, you thinking of an assetData/Post join? | 23:27 |
| @preaction | no, if it returns 0, then the ownerUserId / assetId combination does not exist | 23:28 |
| @preaction | hum... maybe the username column in the Post table | 23:28 |
| lisette | but i do 3 post, | 23:28 |
| @preaction | lisette, but your query is only looking for one asset | 23:29 |
| lisette | yes | 23:29 |
| perlDreamer | lisette, assetId should not be the Id of the collaboration system holding the posts that you want | 23:32 |
| lisette | mmmm | 23:32 |
| lisette | then how to do? | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | you have a question with two parts | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | 1) How do I get a list of all posts? | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | 2) From that list, how do I find all posts owned by a certain user? | 23:33 |
| lisette | yes | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | preaction told you how to do the second part | 23:34 |
| lisette | but i can't do this in a same query? | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | select count(*) from (SOME_TABLES) where (ONLY POSTS) and ownerUserId='myOwnerUserId'; | 23:34 |
| @preaction | yes, you can | 23:35 |
| @preaction | first and foremost, you should NOT be using a direct SQL query to do this | 23:35 |
| @preaction | you should be using Asset->getLineage (located in WebGUI::AssetLineage) | 23:35 |
| @preaction | then it's a simple matter | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | except that it won't let you do select count(*) | 23:37 |
| perlDreamer | but that's a performance issue | 23:37 |
| @preaction | you'll get an arrayref of assetIds, it wouldn't be too bad really | 23:37 |
| @preaction | but using getLineage will help insulate you from any potential changes to the database schema | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | so you'd build an asset for the collaboration system and call $self->getLineage([lots of options]) on it | 23:39 |
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| lisette | then i do a query first, in the collaboration to obtain the assetId? | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | no, more like this | 23:42 |
| perlDreamer | my $collab = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $collaborationAssetId); | 23:42 |
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| perlDreamer | my $postIds = $collab->getLineage(['descendants'], {whereClause => 'ownerUserId='.$myUserId}); | 23:44 |
| perlDreamer | but be sure to read the POD for that | 23:44 |
| perlDreamer | because I'm sure there's at least one mistake/bad assumption in there | 23:44 |
| perlDreamer | perldoc AssetLineage | 23:44 |
| lisette | but i don't need create a collaboration, i need to know how many post by user | 23:45 |
| @preaction | joinClass => 'WebGUI::Asset::Post'. | 23:45 |
| @preaction | lisette, read the docs on what newByDynamicClass does. it does not create assets | 23:46 |
| @preaction | only addChild does that | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | be back in a bit | 23:49 |
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| lisette | i don't need add nothing, i need consult | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | oooh, WebGUI might become an RPM for the RedHat family now | 00:28 |
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| wgGuest98 | hey there | 00:29 |
| @preaction | perhaps I should've joined the crowd at YAPC... seems like interesting things going down | 00:29 |
| @preaction | bonjourno, que p?ta? | 00:29 |
| wgGuest98 | Ive been trying to figure out which CMS to use for me and my cousin to rebuild his companies website. | 00:30 |
| wgGuest98 | this one seems like the easiest | 00:30 |
| @preaction | easiest from what perspective? | 00:30 |
| wgGuest98 | well ive been looking at others | 00:30 |
| @preaction | from the perspective of the content manager and the visitor, i will agree with you | 00:30 |
| wgGuest98 | joomla, drupal, website baker, etc... | 00:30 |
| @preaction | from the perspective of the system's administrator, WebGUI is not a trivial application to install. | 00:31 |
| @preaction | which is why i usually recommend you get someone else to host it for you | 00:31 |
| wgGuest98 | ah yeah i already have experience installing them | 00:31 |
| @preaction | them? or WebGUI? | 00:32 |
| wgGuest98 | im locally running apache and mysql | 00:32 |
| wgGuest98 | just to test out | 00:32 |
| wgGuest98 | not webgui yet | 00:32 |
| wgGuest98 | just the others | 00:32 |
| @preaction | afaik joomla and drupal are both PHP, and those can be used without needing root on the box | 00:32 |
| @preaction | WebGUI can't be installed without a root account on the system | 00:33 |
| wgGuest98 | so a regular hosting account wouldnt work | 00:33 |
| @preaction | but then, there's also demo.webgui.org (for the latest stable) and beta.webgui.org (for the latest beta) | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | not without root access | 00:33 |
| @preaction | not unless you have shell access and sudo / super-user access | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | there are secondary processes which need to be started to handle WebGUI's workflow and email handling subsystems | 00:34 |
| wgGuest98 | he has a godaddy account, im not sure of his privelages | 00:34 |
| wgGuest98 | ohh | 00:34 |
| wgGuest98 | no way than | 00:34 |
| wgGuest98 | it wont work on his host I dont think | 00:34 |
| @preaction | plus mod_perl applications in general require configuring apache itself | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | option 2 would be to get a site hosted through plainblack.com | 00:34 |
| @preaction | mod_php doesn't have that... limitation | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | the cheapest option is $20/month for an unsupported site | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | https://www.plainblack.com/shop/hosting/site | 00:36 |
| wgGuest98 | he is ignorant. He wouldnt be willing to change hosts no matter the advantages over his existing hosting unless he figures it out himself. | 00:36 |
| wgGuest98 | :-\ | 00:36 |
| wgGuest98 | to be honest I couldnt even install website baker on his site because of his hosting plan | 00:37 |
| wgGuest98 | he plan sucks | 00:37 |
| @preaction | c'est la vie. i don't think there's any truly viable enterprise-grade CMS solution that would work on a shared host like that | 00:37 |
| perlDreamer | yay, Fedora! | 00:38 |
| @preaction | pfft. boo Fedora | 00:38 |
| @preaction | yay, Debian! | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | well, personal issues aside | 00:38 |
| wgGuest98 | I use to run debian | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | Yay WebGUI getting into distros | 00:38 |
| perlDreamer | so who is jlsandell and why haven't I met him yet? | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | are you guys hiding devs in back corners again? | 00:39 |
| wgGuest98 | well guess im back to square one | 00:39 |
| wgGuest98 | lol | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | how am I supposed to evangelize them about testing and help/i18n if you don't bring them out every once in a while? | 00:39 |
| wgGuest98 | I need to see if this guy will let me on his dedicated server | 00:41 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, jlsandell is new fish. fresh meat for you to prepare and season with the knowledge of testing in WebGUI | 00:41 |
| @preaction | i've already me... maybe i didn't mention that perlDreamer is Colin, the main man when it comes to enforcing and following up on test failures | 00:42 |
| @preaction | when i fix the test box, at least | 00:42 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, i'll turn it back on and hope for the best. i think i need to reinstall Debian now too... which leads me to believe there's some HD trouble | 00:43 |
| wgGuest98 | well anyways thanks, I guess I will stick with website baker for now. | 00:43 |
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| perlDreamer | google says there's a jlsandell involved with/using django. | 00:44 |
| perlDreamer | We won't hold that against you :) | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | hell... now i'm scared... test box won't even POST... | 00:45 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: that's bad | 00:46 |
| perlDreamer | perhaps a fresh install of Fedora Core 9 would fix that? ;) | 00:46 |
| @preaction | yeah... i think i broke JT's computer | 00:46 |
| @preaction | i would, if the CD-ROM drive would open after I push the Big Red Shiny Button | 00:46 |
| @preaction | but it doesn't | 00:46 |
| @preaction | no POST beep. nothing | 00:46 |
| @preaction | the fans come on, the LEDs come on, the temp gauges, but nothing else | 00:48 |
| @jlsandell | perlDreamer: yeah, I've served Guido for long enough. no more django for me. (: | 00:55 |
| perlDreamer | Guido is a nice guy, I held some pie for him once. | 00:59 |
| perlDreamer | Despite my rampant perl bigotry, I do respect python quite a bit | 01:02 |
| @jlsandell | its OO handling is neat | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | very neat, and dirt simple to implement | 01:03 |
| perlDreamer | especially compared to perl5 | 01:04 |
| * preaction steps in | 01:04 | |
| @preaction | sub new { return bless {}, $_[0]; }; # beg pardon? | 01:04 |
| @jlsandell | perl6 looks like it has a lot of improvements | 01:05 |
| perlDreamer | okay, now show all the accessor/mutator code | 01:05 |
| @jlsandell | or the mixins! | 01:05 |
| perlDreamer | there are mixins for perl5, they just don't work too well with mod_perl at the moment | 01:05 |
| @preaction | access the direct hash! | 01:05 |
| @preaction | use mixin.pm | 01:06 |
| @preaction | really? mixin.pm was working great for me | 01:06 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's simple-minded, not the fullon solution Moose is, but it worked nicely | 01:06 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: which perl mixin solution said that it didn't work with mod_perl | 01:06 |
| @preaction | but yes, i will admit that OO in Perl is fixed with Perl 6 | 01:06 |
| @preaction | Class::Trait probably | 01:06 |
| perlDreamer | ah, yeah | 01:06 |
| perlDreamer | that's it | 01:06 |
| @jlsandell | the fact that perl6 has static typing is kind of cool, too | 01:07 |
| @preaction | mixin.pm just does some mangling of the class's @ISA and some other weirdness | 01:07 |
| @preaction | anyhow. if i don't get outside it'll start raining before i finish my bike ride | 01:09 |
| * preaction & | 01:09 | |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6748 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix some i18n with the DataForm edit form | 01:30 |
| dhelsten | I'm setting up a new server and have a Win XP box with 1GB. Should I use the Windows WRE or just go straight to one of the Linux builds. Will performance vary dramatically between the two? | 01:31 |
| perlDreamer | dhelsten: WebGUI is developed and tested regularly on linux and MacOS. Personally, I'd use that. | 01:32 |
| perlDreamer | I'm sure that little box will rock with Fedora/Ubuntu on it. | 01:33 |
| @preaction | i would go with the Linux builds. the OS itself takes up RAM, and i'll bet that XP takes more than your favorite flavor of Linux, especially if you get rid of X11 | 01:33 |
| dhelsten | Thats what I needed to know. Thanks guys. | 01:33 |
| dhelsten | One more question, is the beta pretty stable? I will not be using any of the more exprimental assets at the moment. | 01:34 |
| perlDreamer | I'd hold off on the beta for a few more weeks | 01:35 |
| perlDreamer | it's good for playing around with, but some of the screws are still a little loose | 01:36 |
| @preaction | at least one week. i can say that 7.5.11 is a bumpy ride. hopefully the next release, 7.5.13 will be better, but PB's bugfix day is after that's released, so it might even be advisable to wait longer | 01:36 |
| dhelsten | Will there be an upgrade path? Are there any assets that will become useless in 7.5 and should bother with as I get this new site up. | 01:36 |
| dhelsten | shouldn't bother with* | 01:37 |
| perlDreamer | the SQL Form was sidelined in favor of Thingy | 01:37 |
| @preaction | there has been an upgrade path since 0.9.0 | 01:37 |
| perlDreamer | Commerce was replaced with Shop, with upgrade path | 01:37 |
| @preaction | plainblack.com itself has been upgraded from 0.9.0, step by step, up to the latest beta (which it is currently running) | 01:37 |
| dhelsten | Thanks guys. | 01:39 |
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| @preaction | http://newcastlecapital.com <- that bottom part looks like the bottom part of style_03 | 01:40 |
| perlDreamer | I've been instructed to set up a website by the oversight committee at home. | 01:41 |
| @preaction | otherwise, i like it | 01:41 |
| @preaction | oversight committee? i hate the sound of that | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | wife and kids | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | I'm supposed to build trainsinoregon.com | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | for advertising statewide train activities | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | I'm thinking of using a Matrix | 01:42 |
| perlDreamer | but I need to make my WUC presentations first | 01:43 |
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| topsub | perlDreamer, did you you say made the "http://beta.webgui.org/demo1213653982_441/home?op=viewProfile;uid=3" page templateable? | 02:11 |
| perlDreamer | This is awesome: http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/talk/998. Download the talk and read it. | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | yes I did | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | It's in SVN | 02:12 |
| topsub | i do not see it in 7.5.11 is it in .12 | 02:12 |
| topsub | ah | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | and will be released with 7.5.13 | 02:12 |
| topsub | alright awesome | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | if you want it right now, I could track down the patch in SVN and you could apply it to your .11 now | 02:13 |
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| perlDreamer | it's this one: https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/revision/?rev=6701 | 02:15 |
| topsub | that would be awesome | 02:15 |
| topsub | thanks | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | just grab the patch and feed it into your .11 | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | and then test it before rolling it out to production :) | 02:16 |
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| topsub | hehe will do when i get back.. lunch w/ jt and frank | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | hey, patspam | 02:22 |
| topsub | sry dinner | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | please tell them hi, and that the world's borken and that we're just sitting here crying | 02:22 |
| patspam | hey perlDreamer | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | how's the flux? | 02:27 |
| patspam | almost functionally complete, minus the GUI | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | patspam++ for testing | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | very cool | 02:29 |
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| patspam | I wasn't going to build the GUI till later b/c I don't need the pretty UI for my current project, but I'm gonna try to build it soon so that others can start playing with it | 02:29 |
| patspam | it's all very pluggable so it'd be cool if other developers started adding their own modules | 02:32 |
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| elnino | hi!!! I"ve read this: http://www.webgui.org/webgui/features/personalization/content-profiling | 05:22 |
| elnino | and I'm trying to figure out how I can use content profiling. | 05:22 |
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| elnino | is there anyone there that may be able to help me think thru a situation that I've come up against? | 05:24 |
| elnino | I'm hoping content profiling will help me. | 05:24 |
| topsub | i am listening | 05:29 |
| elnino | oh good! I havetwo sets of navigation | 05:31 |
| elnino | the top navigtion is your typical drop down menu ssytem. I've set itthe site up with multiple roots | 05:32 |
| elnino | so the top navigatin is the main nav to those roots | 05:32 |
| elnino | the left navitaion would then display the navigation of the root a person is viewing. I ohpe I explained that well. It's a fairly typical setup. | 05:33 |
| elnino | We hired an SEO consultant. | 05:33 |
| elnino | she wants to have the alt tags for the hyperlink in the navigation to be different depending if the link is in the top nav verses the left (localized) menu | 05:34 |
| elnino | My thought was to use content profiing, and setup a profile called leftalttag and topalttag, and modify the navigation templates to pull the values for the conent profile value from the page and use it as its alt tag. | 05:35 |
| elnino | so basically I'd like to use the content profiling as custom fields further describing the page layout. | 05:35 |
| elnino | Is that how content profiles are used? | 05:36 |
| topsub | its one way to use them | 05:36 |
| @preaction | not sure if navigation has access to those fields though | 05:36 |
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| topsub | when i used them was to put a description authors, and other misc data | 05:36 |
| topsub | hmm believe you can use a macro to pull out the meta data fields ( content profile ) | 05:37 |
| topsub | when the navigation template is looping over the assets couldn't you use the macro to pull out the content profile field | 05:37 |
| @preaction | sure. macros are processed after template variable | 05:38 |
| elnino | ok. I've tryied creating a macro to display the content profile value from the page layout and display it in the style template, but that didn't work. but perhaps that is because at that point the style template didn't know anything about the page layout assets info. | 05:39 |
| topsub | so elnino i believe that could work | 05:39 |
| topsub | i believe there is a built in macro to pull content data | 05:39 |
| elnino | I'm hoping so. | 05:40 |
| topsub | http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/sql-macro | 05:41 |
| topsub | you have to use the SQL macro | 05:41 |
| topsub | i remember now | 05:41 |
| elnino | We hired a new marketing director andn she's been here for 2 months, and she's ready to get rid of webgui. She doesn't deserve the right to make that type of decision. She's been following the seo's suggestions, and some of them have been very difficult to implement, and this particular one has been causing me to pull my hair out. So she thinks webgui isn't flexible because it can't do all these ridiculus things out of th ebox. | 05:43 |
| elnino | thanks for listening. It's been a bad day. | 05:43 |
| topsub | hehe no problem | 05:43 |
| elnino | I'll look into the sql macro, I see it has the example there forthe meta tag. But it appears that it doesn't account for versions. Do meta values have versions? | 05:45 |
| topsub | your one macro away from doing it elnino so ur close | 05:45 |
| topsub | what do you mean versions? | 05:45 |
| elnino | assets have version tags.are changes to the meta value tracked by version tags? | 05:46 |
| topsub | i don't remember if that is versioned | 05:46 |
| topsub | don't think so | 05:46 |
| elnino | ok. I'll soon find out. I guess I know what I'll be working on tomorrow. I've had enough for today, and you've given me enough hope to be able to sleep tonight. THANK YOU! | 05:48 |
| @preaction | elnino, remember about 6-8 months back when you wanted better ways of restricting what assets needed approval? i finally implemented them in the core, they're in 7.5.11 | 05:48 |
| @preaction | and what you're asking for now is also one of those things i want to do: Content Profiling is so close to what it needs to be, but it's not there yet | 05:48 |
| @preaction | the Navigation asset should be able to see metadata. there should be an asset devoted to simply reporting assets based on their metadata, and other such stuff | 05:49 |
| elnino | I know that! I saw that!! YEAH!!! Thank you and to the other people that have implemented the changes I've requested, I don't know why anyone would want to buy something that doesn't have this type of support and backing from it's own developers. | 05:49 |
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| @preaction | but, good luck for now. if the SQL macro doesn't work, the custom macro to get at the metadata shouldn't be too complicated. a WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass( $session, $assetId )->getMetaDataFields( $metadataFieldId ); or something | 05:51 |
| elnino | by the way, out of all the goofy stuff the seo requested, I have a cool macro that I've been meaning to post. It allows you to override the <title> tag if you specify the <title> in the "Extra <head> elements " field of a page layout. Simple, but cool. | 05:51 |
| elnino | s/seo/seo consultant/g | 05:52 |
| topsub | preaction, do you mean all assets can be told to disable approval? | 05:52 |
| @preaction | topsub, no. what happens is you make workflows that can decide whether or not they're capable of approving / disapproving a particular version tag based on information about it | 05:53 |
| @preaction | the two that were added were ByCommitterGroup (whoever committed the tag gets checked for membership in a group, if they are, then they need approval) | 05:53 |
| @preaction | and ByLineage (all the assets in the version tag are a descendant of a certain asset, then they need approval) | 05:53 |
| @preaction | i'm going to add a "Reverse" switch to both of them, so that you can do even more fun things | 05:54 |
| @preaction | so only if all the content is NOT under a certain asset | 05:54 |
| @preaction | or the committer is NOT part of a certain group | 05:54 |
| topsub | elnino that last entry in the wiki for SQL macro is a live example of th eSQL macro working | 05:54 |
| topsub | preaction, sounds interesting | 05:55 |
| topsub | preaction, could per asset premissions be possible? | 05:55 |
| @preaction | as in "this asset needs to be approved by this group"? | 05:56 |
| @preaction | sure | 05:56 |
| @preaction | the newly refactored RequestApprovalForVersionTag is really really easy to subclass | 05:56 |
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| @preaction | all you really need to do is override the getGroupToApprove method and have it return an array reference of group IDs. it will handle the sending out of the messages, and the cleanup after the tag is approved / denied | 05:57 |
| @preaction | i'd like to see a way to send out a message about a version tag, only with a template. kinda like a newsletter but built-in to the approval process | 05:58 |
| topsub | preaction, hmm could we do something to say this folder ( and all children ) is committed immediately? | 06:00 |
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| topsub | preaction, or be able to convert it to that? maybe make a "version" tab when you edit an asset | 06:00 |
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| @preaction | hmm... i see the dilemma. | 06:02 |
| @preaction | the "Reverse the test" flag would probably work in your situation | 06:02 |
| topsub | the example we need it for is we have a client updating pdf documents and right now its a pain to have to make changes to pdfs and commit. maybe not a pain just extra step. | 06:02 |
| @preaction | the idea is that anything that is not covered by the approval activity just falls through to the next one (there being a way to fork both on deny and approve) | 06:02 |
| topsub | So if we could say this "pdf" folder and all its children just commit now | 06:03 |
| @preaction | oh. that. no, that's not handled by workflow. that's before the workflow starts | 06:03 |
| @preaction | commit triggers the workflow | 06:03 |
| @preaction | i mean, if you have an approval process, you could always just turn on Auto Commit Version Tag and Skip Commit Comments | 06:03 |
| @preaction | but you can't limit those settings to certain sections of the site | 06:04 |
| topsub | well thats the problem we only need it for this folder | 06:04 |
| topsub | not the whole site you know | 06:04 |
| topsub | they like the ability to make changes to the site and see them, just certain parts they would like to commit now | 06:04 |
| @preaction | if it were a collab system it would auto-commit | 06:05 |
| topsub | ya. wondering if other people could see this as a benefit | 06:05 |
| @preaction | if the gallery handled PDF files, it would auto-commit too | 06:05 |
| topsub | hmmm | 06:05 |
| @preaction | you could make an asset that would auto-commit. subclass of File and enhance a single method | 06:05 |
| @preaction | override www_editSave to call it's superclass's method and then call $self->requestAutoCommit. oh, also add a sub getAutoCommitWorkflowId { ... } that returns the workflowId of the workflow you want the asset to be committed with | 06:07 |
| @preaction | so two methods | 06:07 |
| @preaction | wouldn't even technically need a new table in the database, and all you'd have to do is change the className field in the asset table and the existing assets would use the new class, but caveat emptor, and ymmv, and thyre bey dragyns and all those disclaimers | 06:08 |
| topsub | preaction, ah sounds like a solution | 06:12 |
| @preaction | just be careful. not that the process itself should be painful, but the debugging part of it might be | 06:13 |
| knowma1 | preaction: could he also write an activity that would look for these and commit them? | 06:14 |
| @preaction | knowma1, sure. that just sounds a lot worse to me | 06:14 |
| @preaction | i mean, why clean up after something later when you can just get rid of it right now? | 06:15 |
| knowma1 | yeah, it would require some extra logic to find the open tags then look for assets that match the req's | 06:15 |
| @preaction | i think the only thing i'd look out for is remembering which File asset is which. for that you might need to override definition and change the assetName key | 06:16 |
| knowma1 | preaction: i just used your switch_webgui.pl to switch from wg74 to wg75. when i did that, i setup the wg75 stuff (log.conf, spectre.conf) then ran wreconsole from wre to create a new site | 06:18 |
| knowma1 | after adding the site, i went to start modperl which hosed my system b/c of a runaway error in modperl.error.log | 06:19 |
| knowma1 | turns out the database that was created was empty | 06:19 |
| knowma1 | i reran wreconsole but revisited /setup to get it to re-run; is this to be expected when trying to using the switcher for 7.4 and 7.5? | 06:19 |
| @preaction | depends. are they latest versions of both? | 06:22 |
| @preaction | i don't know really, i dont use the console | 06:22 |
| @preaction | just addsite.pl, removesite.pl and checking the error logs | 06:23 |
| knowma1 | yeah, i'm not sure what the heck happened; it was like the final setup steps weren't run on this system so the default tables weren't configured | 06:25 |
| knowma1 | rerunning /setup from the wreconsole did the job; is there an equivalent command-line tool to what the setup does? | 06:26 |
| knowma1 | i'm going to throw a post up to the add-on comments just in case someone else hits that snag | 06:26 |
| @preaction | wre/sbin/setup.pl might fit the bill | 06:27 |
| knowma1 | ahh! | 06:27 |
| knowma1 | hmm, why don't i have that script? | 06:28 |
| @preaction | i think that's what wreconsole.pl ends up calling in the long run | 06:28 |
| @preaction | but you're right, that shouldn't happen | 06:28 |
| @preaction | whoops, that might've gone away when we added the wreconsole | 06:28 |
| @preaction | install.pl perhaps? | 06:28 |
| @preaction | dunno really | 06:28 |
| knowma1 | looks like the code is all in wreconsole -> www_setup | 06:30 |
| @preaction | yeah, maybe i'm just dreaming from the old WRE | 06:32 |
| knowma1 | i do that still from time-to-time | 06:32 |
| knowma1 | who's seen this error --> Can't locate object method "caught" via package "WebGUI::Error" | 06:33 |
| perlDreamer | that's when you look for an exception when there isn't one | 06:33 |
| knowma1 | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/URL/Content.pm line 57. | 06:34 |
| knowma1 | fresh install of 7.5.11 | 06:34 |
| knowma1 | perlDreamer: good evening | 06:34 |
| perlDreamer | howdy, knoma* | 06:34 |
| knowma1 | we were talking 'bout you tonite at YAPC (good things, of course) | 06:34 |
| perlDreamer | How is YAPC? Y'all having fun? | 06:34 |
| knowma1 | yeah! i'm looking forward to tomorrow's presentations | 06:35 |
| perlDreamer | knowma1, is Class::Exception installed? | 06:35 |
| knowma1 | and it's really getting me looking forward to the WUC | 06:35 |
| knowma1 | i bet not | 06:35 |
| knowma1 | hold on let me test | 06:35 |
| knowma1 | i forgot to run testEnvironment.pl after installing; shouldn't that run automatically? | 06:36 |
| perlDreamer | no | 06:36 |
| perlDreamer | well, maybe for the WRE | 06:36 |
| knowma1 | well, i mean in the perfect world wouldn't we want that | 06:36 |
| perlDreamer | the WRE modules might need to be updated to accomodate 7.5.11+ better | 06:36 |
| perlDreamer | speaking of the WUC, I'm working on my slides tonight | 06:37 |
| knowma1 | that makes sense; thanks for the assist | 06:37 |
| perlDreamer | you're welcome | 06:37 |
| knowma1 | you're good; i need to get on mine | 06:37 |
| knowma1 | there's bunches of stuff needed for 7.5.11 that's not in WRE 0.8.3 | 06:37 |
| perlDreamer | ooh, tomorrow is the buildbot/smolderbot talk | 06:39 |
| perlDreamer | I hope Mr. Peters posts his slides online | 06:40 |
| knowma1 | well Class::Exception is now installed but still no joy-- same error | 06:40 |
| perlDreamer | restart Apache? | 06:40 |
| knowma1 | i'll try to find out as i plan to attend his talk | 06:40 |
| knowma1 | it never started | 06:40 |
| knowma1 | as far as i can tell... let me check ps | 06:40 |
| knowma1 | are you hacking my system? another score for perlDreamer | 06:41 |
| perlDreamer | lucky day | 06:47 |
| perlDreamer | actually, preaction is the one in your system | 06:47 |
| @preaction | YOU PROMISED NOT TO TELL | 06:48 |
| perlDreamer | I'm just using my psychic interface into his head to read what he's done | 06:48 |
| perlDreamer | dude, it's not like he can stop you | 06:48 |
| perlDreamer | Just don't tell tavis about the credit card code I put into the Payment driver | 06:48 |
| @preaction | okay okay | 06:49 |
| @preaction | those pesky non-profits don't need that credit card info anyway | 06:49 |
| @preaction | i mean, they don't make a profit, why do they need revenue? | 06:49 |
| perlDreamer | once I have tavis's identity, I can take over the world! | 06:50 |
| perlDreamer | or at least have extra white teeth | 06:50 |
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| knowma1 | and tavisto isn't even here to defend himself! | 06:54 |
| knowma1 | btw, i'm finally up and running; wre doesn't like to run modproxy on non-standard port :( | 06:55 |
| @preaction | really? or does it just report FAILED when it's actually really up? | 06:57 |
| @preaction | i've had that happen more than once | 06:57 |
| perlDreamer | the WRE lies? | 07:01 |
| @preaction | it... is slow in understanding the truth | 07:01 |
| knowma1 | well, that might be the case | 07:02 |
| knowma1 | but my statement still kinda holds try -- WRE doesn't like non-std ports | 07:03 |
| knowma1 | ok, here's my next dilemma.... (sheez, no sleep for the weary) | 07:03 |
| knowma1 | i can't get asset manager to come up | 07:03 |
| @preaction | 7.5.11? | 07:03 |
| knowma1 | i can get to sessions, admin console, admin on, etc. but no manager | 07:04 |
| knowma1 | yep | 07:04 |
| knowma1 | is that a new feature? :) | 07:04 |
| @preaction | it was completely rewritten in 7.5.11 | 07:04 |
| @preaction | it should be just as simple as ?op=ass... HA! i know why | 07:04 |
| knowma1 | so you ARE hacking my system!!! | 07:05 |
| @preaction | you have to add WebGUI::Content::AssetManager to the list of Content Handlers right before the WebGUI::Content::Operation content handler | 07:05 |
| @preaction | in your config file | 07:05 |
| @preaction | no, it's just a bug. fixed with 7.5.12 | 07:05 |
| knowma1 | my list of fixes to run 7.5 is growing... (run perlTestenvironment.pl, fix size limit in modperl.pl). Glad to hear this one's fixed in 7.5.13 (i heard the dirty little secret of .12 at dinner tonite) | 07:06 |
| perlDreamer | we should pull 7.5.11 from the downloads area and release 7.5.13 quickly | 07:07 |
| @preaction | i think we should wait until after the bugfix day plainblack has on friday. that night release .13 | 07:08 |
| knowma1 | this friday? that'd be cool | 07:08 |
| perlDreamer | friday, huh? | 07:08 |
| knowma1 | it is beta after all | 07:08 |
| perlDreamer | this is true | 07:08 |
| knowma1 | preaction: still no luck | 07:09 |
| knowma1 | restart modperl and modproxy | 07:09 |
| perlDreamer | I wonder if anyone has told Ning about the new asset manager yet? | 07:09 |
| @preaction | knowma1, you put it Before the ::Operation content handler, correct? | 07:09 |
| @preaction | if you put it after, it won't work | 07:10 |
| knowma1 | http://webgui.pastebin.org/44107 | 07:10 |
| @preaction | that's after | 07:11 |
| @preaction | between Maintenance and Operation | 07:11 |
| knowma1 | oh! missed that | 07:11 |
| @preaction | then it will work | 07:11 |
| @preaction | wait. that order seems all messed up. | 07:11 |
| knowma1 | dang, why so picky? guess i'll find out tomorrow at JT's workshop | 07:11 |
| @preaction | nm, it should work | 07:11 |
| @preaction | every request gets sent to each Content handler in order, and the first content handler to return some sort of content is the last one that gets called | 07:12 |
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| knowma1 | OK.... | 07:12 |
| @preaction | so ::Operation handles all ?op=, and AssetManager uses ?op=assetManager | 07:12 |
| perlDreamer | it should be doug=assetManager | 07:12 |
| knowma1 | LOL | 07:12 |
| @preaction | Also, ::Asset handles all URLs regardless of query string | 07:13 |
| @preaction | only if ::Asset doesn't return anything does ::NotFound gets called, which returns something no matter what anything says about anything | 07:13 |
| @preaction | so after that, there's no hope of getting another content handler to run | 07:13 |
| knowma1 | ah, so instead of this logic being hard-coded (as I presume it used to be), it's now configurable | 07:14 |
| knowma1 | that's sweet! | 07:14 |
| @preaction | i need to stop giving out so much useful information. people might start to think i know something | 07:14 |
| knowma1 | it's late and most peeps are asleep | 07:14 |
| @preaction | oh yes, URL and Content handlers are almost more powerful than Workflow is | 07:15 |
| @preaction | xdanger is here, this is being logged for prosteritry | 07:15 |
| knowma1 | and who goes back and reads these logs anyhow? | 07:15 |
| * perlDreamer does | 07:15 | |
| knowma1 | oh, so that's what he's doing | 07:15 |
| @preaction | eh, i wish people would. less i would have to explain twice ;-) | 07:15 |
| knowma1 | ok, who besides perlDreamer ? | 07:15 |
| knowma1 | i bet | 07:15 |
| perlDreamer | where do you think I get all the material for my presentations? ;) | 07:15 |
| @preaction | i knew it | 07:16 |
| @preaction | YOU STEAL IT FROM ME | 07:16 |
| knowma1 | btw, i did catch on to that last year | 07:16 |
| @preaction | oh.. and on top of everything else today i re-learned something ELSE | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | yes, this year, all of our coding mistakes and hiccups displayed in their gory glory | 07:16 |
| knowma1 | do tell... | 07:16 |
| @preaction | Glass does not change appearance when it gets hot... | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | uh oh | 07:16 |
| perlDreamer | what went boom? | 07:16 |
| knowma1 | yeah, this sounds bad | 07:17 |
| @preaction | nothing, my fingers hurt though | 07:17 |
| perlDreamer | mind those fingers; you need them for your career | 07:17 |
| knowma1 | you're using pencils to type, aren't you?! | 07:17 |
| @preaction | eh, i've got so many burns and scars on my fingers from burning them i'm surprised there's still hair on my knuckles | 07:17 |
| @preaction | i mean | 07:18 |
| @preaction | no, it made sense | 07:18 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 07:18 |
| perlDreamer | Okay, time for geeky bragging. | 07:19 |
| perlDreamer | I'm typing on IRC and watching SuperFriends reruns on Boomerang. | 07:19 |
| perlDreamer | who can top that? | 07:19 |
| knowma1 | i've got Chuck Norris in some war film on AMC (muted) | 07:19 |
| @preaction | you got me man... i was about to go watch the new Venture Brothers and the new Doctor Who | 07:20 |
| knowma1 | i think you win that one. FWIW, Boomerang rocks! | 07:20 |
| @preaction | amen to that! | 07:20 |
| @preaction | Lex Luthor was awesome in that purple getup | 07:20 |
| perlDreamer | oh yeah | 07:20 |
| perlDreamer | I wish they had the really old Batman cartoons from the '70s | 07:20 |
| knowma1 | wow! the asset manager is looking sexy in 7.5.11 | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | preaction++ | 07:23 |
| @preaction | Amazing but Useless Fact of the Day: Dolph Lundgren (Ivan Drago from Rocky IV) has a Master's Degree in Chemical Engineering and was offered a Fulbright scholarship to study at MIT | 07:23 |
| perlDreamer | that's crazy. He played He-Man | 07:24 |
| @preaction | yeah | 07:25 |
| knowma1 | whoa, where did version tags go? are edits auto-commited by default? | 07:26 |
| knowma1 | nm, i see that they are | 07:26 |
| @preaction | yep | 07:26 |
| @preaction | that's a 7.5ism | 07:26 |
| @preaction | i mean, going through the upgrade path it won't automatically get turned on, but new 7.5 sites have it turned on by default | 07:27 |
| knowma1 | that's a nice touch | 07:27 |
| knowma1 | lots of new bells and whistles in here; i was just trying to play with Thingy after talking to JT about it tonite | 07:28 |
| knowma1 | this is going to be fun! | 07:28 |
| knowma1 | perlDreamer: did your update to manage the user profile template get into .11 or will it go into .13? | 07:29 |
| @preaction | thingy has to be the most awesome thing I have ever seen ever and my hat's off to Yung for accomplishing it | 07:29 |
| knowma1 | we're working on an entry for the August "event" that will use it | 07:30 |
| perlDreamer | knowma1: I spoke with topsub and dionak about that. It's in .13, and I sent the the SVN rev to patch earlier if you need. | 07:30 |
| perlDreamer | although, early patching will make the upgrade to .13 less smooth. | 07:31 |
| knowma1 | yeah, i think we can wait; i had just heard about it but hadn't got the details | 07:31 |
| perlDreamer | y'all owe JT for that one | 07:33 |
| knowma1 | is anyone else not seeing the icon for Advertising in console? | 07:33 |
| perlDreamer | he upgraded it from an RFE to a bug | 07:33 |
| knowma1 | i've noticed this on several of my sites | 07:33 |
| knowma1 | i'll buy him a drink tomorrow | 07:33 |
| knowma1 | ok, i've got to get some shuteye before tomorrow. don't want to be sleeping through YAPC! | 07:35 |
| knowma1 | thanks for the help and the chat guys. ttyl! | 07:35 |
| knowma1 | and see you in August | 07:35 |
| perlDreamer | knowma1: I have advertising icons | 07:36 |
| knowma1 | perlDreamer: hmmm, must be a localized issue | 07:36 |
| knowma1 | maybe i blocked it by accident in my browser | 07:36 |
| knowma1 | that'll have to wait til another day | 07:37 |
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| elnino | hi again! | 08:12 |
| elnino | has anyone been able to get spell checker to work with tinymce? I've read http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki/spell-checker, and I remember trying to implement spell checker, but with no success. but it's also been awhile too. | 08:13 |
| elnino | in fact, I thought that wiki looked familiar. I wrote it all.. =) looks like no one else has been able to contribute to that wiki. =( | 08:14 |
| elnino | I'm using tinymce, and according to my research 4 months ago, tinymce didnt' work with aspell, anyone here with experience in this? | 08:31 |
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| BartJol | hi | 15:00 |
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| BartJol | preaction? are you awake? | 15:51 |
| BartJol | Does anybody know what is meant by "Seen message On Login Times"? it is in i18n->Auth->showMessageOnLoginSeen | 15:53 |
| BartJol | mm I feel like a shouting person in the desert | 16:03 |
| ckotil | i dont see a showMessageOnLoginSeen | 16:14 |
| ckotil | in anything in lib/WebGUI/i18n/English | 16:14 |
| BartJol | in 7.5.11? | 16:16 |
| BartJol | it there on i18n.webgui.org I can assure you | 16:16 |
| BartJol | it is | 16:16 |
| ckotil | ah, im running 7.4.39 | 16:16 |
| BartJol | I'm updating the Dutch translation... | 16:17 |
| BartJol | but I don't understand the message | 16:17 |
| ckotil | whats the context say? | 16:17 |
| BartJol | Not much | 16:18 |
| BartJol | Label for user profile field | 16:18 |
| BartJol | is it a welcome back message or something like that? | 16:18 |
| ckotil | thats kind of what i was thinking. but i cannot say for sure. | 16:19 |
| BartJol | so I will have to find the person that is responsible for this message | 16:19 |
| BartJol | thanks | 16:20 |
| BartJol | I will have a smoke break now\ | 16:20 |
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| BartJol | my dear genius developers: in the Evenmanagement system what exactly is meant with a token? | 17:50 |
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| BartJol | cap10morgan, maybe you know: | 17:58 |
| BartJol | in the Evenmanagement system what exactly is meant with a token? | 17:58 |
| cap10morgan | hmm, no idea | 17:58 |
| BartJol | ok | 18:00 |
| BartJol | hard to translate if you don't know what is meant.... | 18:00 |
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| af_ | hi, someone up? | 18:53 |
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| @preaction | yes | 19:48 |
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| wgGuest68 | i just downloaded the vmware appliance but cannot find any documention of what to do next | 20:34 |
| wgGuest68 | is there a specific set of instructions for this appliance? | 20:34 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest68, i would say start the appliance in the normal fashion, and then visit it with a web browser maybe? | 20:42 |
| @preaction | i mean, i would hope that the WRE and everything was preconfigured and started automatically when the system gets booted | 20:43 |
| wgGuest68 | well i thought so to | 20:47 |
| wgGuest68 | but i am not sure that that is the case | 20:47 |
| @preaction | why? what are you trying? what happens when you try it? what do you expect to happen? | 20:47 |
| wgGuest68 | i cannot connect to it | 20:49 |
| wgGuest68 | perhaps i need to change the ip | 20:49 |
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| wgGuest68 | i am using the vmware player which i havnt before.. i only used workstation/server | 20:50 |
| wgGuest68 | hrmm yea i cannot connect | 20:52 |
| wgGuest68 | for some reason i dont think apache is installed on the appliance | 20:53 |
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| wgGuest68 | nah something with this appliance is on crack | 21:03 |
| wgGuest68 | gonna delete and reextract the appliance and start again | 21:06 |
| @preaction | wgGuest68, i would try logging in to ssh on the appliance, using the root / 123qwe combination, and then doing these two things: | 21:08 |
| @preaction | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 21:08 |
| @preaction | ./wreconsole.pl | 21:08 |
| @preaction | then follow the instructions | 21:08 |
| @preaction | so it would be just like installing a normal WRE, except everything it already extracted and there for you | 21:09 |
| bopbop | in WebGUI Shop- Taxes screen, any idea what the Code field is used for>? | 21:10 |
| perlDreamer | zipcode/postal code | 21:10 |
| bopbop | oh, ok | 21:10 |
| perlDreamer | is there no hoverhelp for that? | 21:10 |
| bopbop | nothing is showing | 21:11 |
| bopbop | for any fields | 21:11 |
| perlDreamer | hm, we need to find the guy who coded that and shoot him | 21:11 |
| perlDreamer | that's just not acceptable! | 21:11 |
| wgGuest68 | thx preaction i will try that | 21:13 |
| wgGuest68 | all i get is syntax errors | 21:21 |
| slickware | ooo fun errors | 21:30 |
| slickware | "WebGUI was unable to instantiate your style template." | 21:30 |
| slickware | definition: to create an instance | 21:30 |
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| wgGuest68 | sigh | 21:31 |
| wgGuest68 | vmware player is crap lolz | 21:31 |
| slickware | agreed | 21:31 |
| slickware | anyone seen the Instantiate error I posted before? | 21:31 |
| @preaction | yep | 21:32 |
| slickware | it was displaying fine until I hit committ | 21:32 |
| wgGuest68 | on a pc with one nic, should i be using bridged in vmplayer for this appliance? | 21:32 |
| @preaction | probably not | 21:34 |
| slickware | wtf... it will "instantiate" if I submit it on a page other than Home | 21:34 |
| wgGuest68 | i should reload workstation or server....... much better networkin that player | 21:34 |
| @preaction | NAT would probably be best | 21:34 |
| wgGuest68 | it only grabs a 192.x.x.x address and not a 10.x.x.x like it should | 21:35 |
| @preaction | which one is in your network? | 21:35 |
| wgGuest68 | 10.x.x.x | 21:35 |
| wgGuest68 | oh wtf | 21:35 |
| @preaction | then you want it to use 192./8, the vmware player will NAT to the appliance | 21:36 |
| wgGuest68 | even when i set the player as static it grabbed proper ip using bridged | 21:36 |
| wgGuest68 | think its good now lesse | 21:36 |
| perlDreamer | slickware, are you using 7.5.11? | 21:37 |
| wgGuest68 | k, finally got in | 21:39 |
| wgGuest68 | sheeeeesh i hate vmplayer | 21:40 |
| wgGuest68 | stupid thing is so dumbed down its mental | 21:40 |
| * apeiron smells crippleware | 21:41 | |
| wgGuest68 | lolz | 21:42 |
| wgGuest68 | yea for sure | 21:42 |
| @preaction | i thought that's why the player is free but the rest is for cash | 21:42 |
| perlDreamer | do we have a cutoff date for 7.5.13 changes to be checked in? | 21:44 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop found some omissions in my Tax code that need to be fixed | 21:45 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, yeah, when haarg decides he's doing the release ;-) | 21:46 |
| perlDreamer | roger tha | 21:46 |
| perlDreamer | activating Haarg's psychic interface | 21:46 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 21:46 |
| perlDreamer | there's lots of mediawiki code in here | 21:46 |
| perlDreamer | must have the wrong channel | 21:47 |
| @Haarg | release will probably be late tonight | 21:48 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg | 21:48 |
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| perlDreamer | if it's later, it's fine with me :) | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | wait, 7.5.13 will be releasing tonight? | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | that's what the man said | 21:56 |
| slickware | cool | 21:57 |
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| bopbop | perldreamer: that's ok, I don't need it to actually work... I just need to make sure it looks right | 21:57 |
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| bopbop | another question about the Taxes screen | 22:00 |
| bopbop | when I place my mouse over the column labels (Country, State, etc) it looks like I should be able to click and reorder the entries | 22:01 |
| bopbop | but nothing happens | 22:01 |
| bopbop | should something happen? | 22:01 |
| bopbop | fireworks, angels singing.... perhaps entries being organized alphabetically according to state if I click on State? | 22:02 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop, it _was_ supposed to do that, and on JT's computer it does | 22:03 |
| bopbop | how come JT gets to play with it and I can't? | 22:04 |
| @apeiron | Angels? In wG? Honestly, where would we get some of those? :) Obviously no one on staff. | 22:04 |
| bopbop | do you want me to post it to the bug list... | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | please | 22:04 |
| bopbop | k | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | "WebGUI needs angels" | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop, for that one, we'll need to know which browser and OS you're using | 22:05 |
| bopbop | ok | 22:05 |
| perlDreamer | actually, I'm glad you have that problem. For a while I thought it was just me | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | perlmonkey2 was going to help me with some JS, but I haven't seen him in a while | 22:06 |
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| bopbop | who did the templates for Shop? | 22:29 |
| bopbop | I'm looking at the Taxes screen still | 22:29 |
| bopbop | and wondering why the buttons in Firefox look different than those in Safari | 22:30 |
| bopbop | is that right? | 22:30 |
| bopbop | also the import/export fields are different- one has a browse button with a file field, one has a Choose File button | 22:31 |
| bopbop | just wondering which I should be using for the Shop Guide examples | 22:31 |
| @preaction | bopbop, Safari uses Aqua buttons, Firefox uses its own rendering, so it'll probably be different | 22:31 |
| bopbop | ok | 22:31 |
| @preaction | go with the firefox ones, more people will recognize them | 22:31 |
| bopbop | k- thanks | 22:32 |
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| wgGuest13 | hi, how big is the development community for WebGUI? I am doing reserch for a class | 22:45 |
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| @preaction | that depen... | 22:47 |
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| slickware | question for anyone... | 22:47 |
| slickware | the horizontalmenu default navigation template | 22:47 |
| slickware | seems to be putting a · after each link, but then there appears to either be a tab or a blank graphic after that | 22:48 |
| slickware | and I can't find it in the code to remove it | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | slickware: that's called a "space" character | 23:50 |
| perlDreamer | has anyone heard how rizen's WebGUI dev talk went today? | 23:50 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6749 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed gallery edit album buttons to work properly in IE6/7 | 23:54 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg, all my work is in for now. I may try to get in a bug fix or two later this afternoon, but it can wait. | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:13 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6750 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Tax.pm Shop/Tax.pm): | 00:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add hoverHelp for the Tax screen. | 00:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Change tax rate to be an integer. | 00:29 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6751 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm: really fixed those buttons. honest. and IE6 ... well... I dont want to sound like a broken record... | 01:49 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: if you can really fix IE6, we should talk! | 02:07 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6752 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Tax.pm: finish up exception handling for importing taxes and reporting messages back to the user | 02:47 |
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| chaels | Hello. Is anyone around? | 05:52 |
| chaels | Darn. | 05:55 |
| chaels | I think I have a relatively easy question, too. | 05:56 |
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| @apeiron | Probably would have had an easy answer if they stuck around, too. | 06:32 |
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| patspam | anyone flying into America for the WUC? I'm sussing out domestic flights for the internal connection to Wisconsin.. | 09:25 |
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| af_ | moin | 09:53 |
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| slickware | is there a way to mass-input users into WebGUI? say, upload a text/CSV of "user,pass" or something? | 15:42 |
| BartJol | userImport.pl? | 15:43 |
| BartJol | dunno whether the user data has to have the same configuration | 15:43 |
| BartJol | otherwise you can make a script that does that | 15:43 |
| slickware | how about from an agency host | 15:45 |
| BartJol | well, if you have a file, it should be possible as far as I know | 15:46 |
| BartJol | I know some guys thta did it for a dating site | 15:46 |
| BartJol | but read the help to the userImport.pl (in /data/WebGUI/sbin | 15:47 |
| BartJol | ) | 15:47 |
| BartJol | it should help | 15:47 |
| slickware | I mean - how would you run import.pl from an agency host - which has no shell access | 15:48 |
| BartJol | ah | 15:54 |
| BartJol | that's more difficult | 15:55 |
| BartJol | so you have only the GUI on the net? | 15:55 |
| slickware | yeah, through PB's agency hosting packages | 15:55 |
| slickware | I have a user that might want to import around 200 WG users | 15:56 |
| slickware | and would obviously prefer not to register them one at a time | 15:56 |
| BartJol | ah, then kick their asses and tell them to import those users :) | 15:56 |
| BartJol | that kind of manual labour should already be forbidden | 15:57 |
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| slickware | I would love for them to be able to import them | 15:57 |
| af_ | hi all | 15:57 |
| BartJol | hi | 15:57 |
| slickware | yo | 15:57 |
| BartJol | just demand shell access (might cost you some money) | 15:58 |
| slickware | lol | 15:58 |
| af_ | may ask you some suggestions? I need to understanf how to upgrade a running server with 5.6.x to 7. (last webgui) | 15:58 |
| BartJol | how much time do you have to do that? | 15:59 |
| af_ | first of all, the documentation of 7.x is on the wiki and/or buying the books? any other places? | 15:59 |
| slickware | hey af... I was in the same position | 15:59 |
| af_ | hi slickware good to know :) | 15:59 |
| slickware | and quite honestly I decided it was faster to just build a 7x server | 15:59 |
| slickware | and manually rebuild sites | 15:59 |
| af_ | for now thay ask me for a quote to di it | 15:59 |
| BartJol | yeah upgrading that is like making ice in hell :) | 16:00 |
| af_ | slickware, I have two instances of webgui running on the same system | 16:00 |
| slickware | it's a long process - even PlainBlack quoted me 4-5 hours of work (@ $200/hr) | 16:00 |
| af_ | on different ports, when ready I'll switch them | 16:00 |
| slickware | so I can't imagine how long it would take someone who has never done it before! there are around 20 pages of "gotchas" for the upgrade path | 16:00 |
| BartJol | brb | 16:00 |
| af_ | but my worries is about content | 16:01 |
| slickware | brb also - 5 min | 16:01 |
| af_ | I don't understanf if there are differences in templates and so | 16:01 |
| af_ | also, I have seen a manual on the italian site, but I think it refers to an old release | 16:02 |
| af_ | so my think is simply to rewrite the site, doing some restyling also | 16:03 |
| af_ | but, what about internatiozation? it looks like we have english only now | 16:03 |
| af_ | is that true? | 16:04 |
| BartJol | the templates are differnt, but it doesn't take that much time to do it manually | 16:07 |
| BartJol | in new version anly one language is included and that's english | 16:08 |
| BartJol | other language are downloadable from i18n.webgui.org | 16:08 |
| af_ | docs on the temapletes is on wiki? (the new 7.x) | 16:08 |
| slickware | back. | 16:09 |
| BartJol | partially wiki\ | 16:09 |
| BartJol | some in the help | 16:09 |
| slickware | yeah af... even if you upgrade the sites themselves, you will still have a little bit of re-templating to do | 16:09 |
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| af_ | BartJol, you mean the help on line? | 16:10 |
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| BartJol | in webgui | 16:11 |
| af_ | the new tamplate system is based on perl template toolkit? | 16:11 |
| BartJol | so via admin console help | 16:11 |
| af_ | yeah, got it BartJol | 16:12 |
| BartJol | that's an option I believe | 16:12 |
| BartJol | never used that | 16:12 |
| af_ | there are other? | 16:12 |
| BartJol | well I thought that the toolkit was something you can approach via the GUI | 16:13 |
| BartJol | but didn't do a lot of templating lately | 16:13 |
| af_ | thanks for the help you guys, I have now some data to make some quotation | 16:15 |
| af_ | or at least for discuss with the customer | 16:15 |
| BartJol | sometimes rebuilding is the easiest, but not a very challenging yob | 16:16 |
| BartJol | but slickware for your user import, just ask PB what format they want to receive and try to deliver that | 16:18 |
| BartJol | then they can run the script | 16:18 |
| BartJol | should be a five minute job for them | 16:18 |
| BartJol | not sure how they quote it | 16:21 |
| BartJol | :0 | 16:21 |
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| BartJol | aaah | 16:22 |
| BartJol | Frank | 16:22 |
| @khenn | morning peeps | 16:22 |
| BartJol | did you see my bug report? | 16:22 |
| @khenn | no | 16:22 |
| BartJol | oh | 16:22 |
| @khenn | what's the link? | 16:22 |
| BartJol | 2 secs | 16:22 |
| BartJol | http://www.webgui.org/3ec4mt7rzm8ioudetgi_dg#3eC4MT7rZm8IouDeTgI_dg | 16:23 |
| BartJol | kristi said you did something with version tags | 16:23 |
| BartJol | so that's the first part | 16:24 |
| BartJol | or is my mind slipping and did I already mention those to Colin | 16:27 |
| BartJol | > | 16:27 |
| BartJol | ? | 16:27 |
| @khenn | is it just the wording? | 16:27 |
| BartJol | yeah | 16:27 |
| @khenn | I don't understand the bug post | 16:27 |
| @khenn | oh | 16:27 |
| slickware1 | thanks Bart, I'll try that | 16:27 |
| BartJol | some things just look starnge to me and when I'm not sure I want to know what is meant so I can make a decent translation | 16:28 |
| af_ | thank for the idea BartJol | 16:29 |
| BartJol | well, it's not a great one... | 16:29 |
| slickware1 | I second that though - rebuilding would definitely be easier than upgrading | 16:30 |
| slickware1 | AND it gives you the added bonus of learning to use the new version along the way | 16:30 |
| BartJol | and to perfection your copy-paste skills | 16:31 |
| slickware1 | haha yes that too | 16:31 |
| BartJol | khenn do you understand my problem? | 16:34 |
| BartJol | or am I just stupid, and that;s a good option | 16:34 |
| * slickware1 votes for the latter | 16:35 | |
| BartJol | eh | 16:35 |
| BartJol | :) | 16:35 |
| @khenn | I understand that the text is bad | 16:35 |
| slickware1 | ha | 16:35 |
| @khenn | but I don't think I understand where to find the bad text based on your bug | 16:35 |
| BartJol | do you agree, or am I just nit-picking? | 16:35 |
| BartJol | ah | 16:35 |
| BartJol | well it's in i18n | 16:35 |
| @khenn | wait I get it | 16:36 |
| @khenn | hold on | 16:36 |
| BartJol | in a dir structure /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ | 16:36 |
| @khenn | the first one makes sense to me | 16:36 |
| @khenn | but for other languages I can see how it can be confusing | 16:37 |
| @khenn | it should probably be: | 16:37 |
| BartJol | I don't say you have to change it, I want an explanation | 16:37 |
| BartJol | so a bug might be a bit too much | 16:37 |
| @khenn | no | 16:38 |
| BartJol | but I should post it somewhere if nobody's awake over there | 16:38 |
| @khenn | actually I don't understand it either | 16:38 |
| BartJol | mwoahaha | 16:38 |
| @khenn | the workflow to perform when when the version tag is approved by this activity | 16:38 |
| @khenn | it sounds like there is a workflow inside the workflow | 16:38 |
| BartJol | well I think that the approval is the activity that's started by the user | 16:39 |
| BartJol | a user with permission to approve | 16:39 |
| @khenn | oh yeah | 16:40 |
| @khenn | so it's a workflow trigger | 16:40 |
| @khenn | when the version tag is approved, execute this workflow | 16:40 |
| @khenn | I know where this is | 16:40 |
| @khenn | it's inside the approval workflow | 16:40 |
| BartJol | ok | 16:41 |
| @khenn | it might be more clear if it was: | 16:41 |
| @khenn | (I assume this is hoverhelp) | 16:41 |
| @khenn | Choose a workflow to execute when the version tag is approved | 16:41 |
| BartJol | that makes more sense to me | 16:42 |
| @khenn | or something to that measure | 16:42 |
| BartJol | but then I understand now how to translate | 16:42 |
| @khenn | I'm not sure what the second one is | 16:42 |
| BartJol | do you know who worked on the authentication part? | 16:43 |
| BartJol | then I'll ask him/her | 16:43 |
| @khenn | lots of people | 16:43 |
| BartJol | :) | 16:43 |
| @khenn | you'll have to search subversion to see who added that | 16:43 |
| @khenn | I have no idea what it does | 16:43 |
| @khenn | I've written plenty of auth methods too | 16:43 |
| @khenn | never seen it | 16:43 |
| BartJol | ok, that's for later, have to go to customer | 16:43 |
| @khenn | I wonder if it's old | 16:43 |
| BartJol | it's new | 16:44 |
| @khenn | oh | 16:44 |
| @khenn | ok | 16:44 |
| BartJol | it didn't exist in 7.5.10 that is | 16:44 |
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| lisette | in wich table of database of WG store the group of users? | 17:45 |
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| ckotil | users | 17:51 |
| ckotil | oh groups of users. not sure | 17:52 |
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| AMH_bob | @lisette: take a look at groupGroupings, groupings and groups | 18:10 |
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| ckotil | 233 pages of committed version tags.. | 18:23 |
| * ckotil starts the pissing contest | 18:24 | |
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| perlDreamer | somebody spammed the webgui wiki | 18:50 |
| perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/liyoepwsftytpuaxhac4eq | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | could somebody with access please nuke that, and ban user youpicks | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | and his email address | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | and his IP address | 18:51 |
| perlDreamer | and his dog? | 18:51 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: File::Path 2.04 still does not clean up the WebGUI cache | 19:20 |
| slickware1 | is it just me, or does anyone else have consistent issues with the drag-and-drop features of the webgui templates? | 19:20 |
| perlDreamer | slickware1: What kind of issues? | 19:20 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, damnit. then what could? | 19:20 |
| slickware1 | I have a side-by-side page, and things that are definitely in the left column are appearing in the right side, half-cut-off by some invisible divider | 19:21 |
| perlDreamer | preaction, no idea. | 19:21 |
| @preaction | oh well | 19:21 |
| slickware1 | http://web520.plainblack.net | 19:21 |
| slickware1 | example there | 19:21 |
| slickware1 | the "professional development" article is supposed to be on the left | 19:21 |
| slickware1 | and there's 2 other articles that are just missing entirely (one you can sort of see over on the far right) | 19:21 |
| perlDreamer | slickware1: looks okay to me. ProfDev _is_ on the left | 19:21 |
| slickware1 | ... | 19:22 |
| slickware1 | browser? | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | Firefox | 19:22 |
| slickware1 | ah | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | 2.0.0.11 on CentOs | 19:22 |
| slickware1 | you're right, it displays fine in FF | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | how 'bout you? | 19:22 |
| slickware1 | IE7 | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | well, there's your problem right there | 19:22 |
| perlDreamer | try this | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | make a package of the page | 19:23 |
| slickware1 | semantics.. I hate FF | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | install it on the demo site | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | if you can duplicate it that way, then post a bug | 19:23 |
| slickware1 | I've never made a package | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | Turn Admin On | 19:23 |
| @preaction | slickware1, you haven't been in web design for very long have you? IE will destroy your soul | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | Edit the page | 19:23 |
| @preaction | turn you into us :p | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | Go to the metadata tab | 19:23 |
| perlDreamer | select the make package button | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | then go to the admin console (using link on the right) | 19:24 |
| slickware1 | I usually design FOR IE, because then I know it'll work in everyone else's browser (usually) | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | select Assets | 19:24 |
| slickware1 | I don't care how wack their standards may be... they're big ass standards :-D | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | below the asset manager window will be the package section | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | choose export | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | and save that file, it is a webgui package | 19:24 |
| @preaction | slickware1, nope. design for FF, then it usually works in Opera and Safari. then go back and find the right workarounds to make it look right in IE. that's usually the most expedient method of doing things | 19:25 |
| slickware1 | lol | 19:25 |
| slickware1 | and why the hell am I slickware1, I registered this nick and everything | 19:25 |
| slickware1 | it is a frustrating day | 19:25 |
| @preaction | it's not really IE's fault that Trident has been outdated for years | 19:25 |
| @preaction | i suspect because your original nick was taken, if you can't change to slickware, do: /msg nickserv ghost slickware <yourpassword> | 19:26 |
| @preaction | that will kick whomever's using your nickname off freenode | 19:26 |
| @preaction | then you can change your nick back and identify | 19:26 |
| slickware1 | ok got the package... now ? | 19:27 |
| perlDreamer | deploy on the demo server | 19:27 |
| perlDreamer | Admin, turn on, admin console, Assets, browse, import package, deploy | 19:28 |
| slickware1 | I'm an idiot... demo server is... where | 19:28 |
| @preaction | demo.plainblack.com | 19:28 |
| @preaction | or beta.webgui.org (for the 7.5 series) | 19:28 |
| slickware1 | I imported - how do I deploy | 19:30 |
| slickware1 | oh. well, I imported and committed changes, and I get a very broken style template of my page | 19:31 |
| slickware1 | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1213804413_681/home | 19:32 |
| perlDreamer | slickware1: did you export from 7.4 or from 7.5? | 19:35 |
| slickware1 | agency hosting... not sure | 19:36 |
| perlDreamer | in the WebGUI Admin Console, go to statistics | 19:37 |
| perlDreamer | it will tell you what you're using | 19:37 |
| perlDreamer | today could be your day for finding bugs | 19:37 |
| perlDreamer | which we are deeply appreciative of | 19:38 |
| perlDreamer | btw, that site design (the original) looks very clean on FF. You do nice work. | 19:39 |
| slickware1 | heh | 19:40 |
| slickware1 | thanks | 19:40 |
| slickware1 | 7.4.39 stable | 19:41 |
| perlDreamer | I'll have to double and check to see what's up with the package | 19:42 |
| slickware1 | I'm going to head out for lunch for a bit. the demo site I used is the default password, btw. | 19:42 |
| perlDreamer | but, if you have support, you should be able to ask your question on the PB support board and get quick answers | 19:42 |
| perlDreamer | and, something to keep in mind, WebGUI is designed to be pretty browser agnostic. Any kind of browser centric design is not likely to work well with the system | 19:43 |
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| slickware1 | well that's the weird bit | 19:49 |
| slickware1 | all I used was tables | 19:49 |
| slickware1 | and they're well-within the confines of the larger tables around them | 19:50 |
| slickware1 | the issue only ever seems to occur when I do a WG "side-by-side" or "right column" format | 19:50 |
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| miloidrr | Hi, i have a question about the shorcuts in a cs | 19:55 |
| miloidrr | How can i quit the pagination in the shortcut? | 19:56 |
| miloidrr | I need that it only show the first thread | 19:57 |
| perlDreamer | miloidrr, just change the template and remove the pagination template variables | 19:58 |
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| miloidrr | ok, but if i change the template, this change happend in the cs too | 19:59 |
| miloidrr | I need this only in the sortcut | 20:00 |
| perlDreamer | make a copy of your CS template and remove the pagination template variables from that | 20:00 |
| perlDreamer | and then, in the shortcut, tell it to override the original CS template and use your newly created one | 20:01 |
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| bopbop | miloidrr: make sure you edit the shortcut itself, not the asset contained in the shortcut- there will be overrides tab in the edit shortcut screen | 20:06 |
| bopbop | preaction: what happened to the new kid? | 20:06 |
| bopbop | haven't seen him since his first day | 20:07 |
| perlDreamer | preaction has kids? | 20:07 |
| bopbop | yikes | 20:07 |
| perlDreamer | oy! | 20:07 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, yeah, you've been raising them | 20:07 |
| @preaction | bopbop, i don't know. perhaps i scared him off :( | 20:07 |
| bopbop | and he didn't event meet JT yet | 20:07 |
| bopbop | even | 20:07 |
| perlDreamer | like he quit, or just not hanging out in IRC? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | i know, right? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | i think just not hanging out in IRC | 20:08 |
| miloidrr | PerlDreamer: in the overrides? | 20:16 |
| miloidrr | asign the original template in the overrides of the shortcut? | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | miloidrr, like bopbop said above. in the shortcut edit screen, you can tell it not to use the CS'es original template | 20:19 |
| miloidrr | PerlDreamer Tks | 20:23 |
| miloidrr | Let me test | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | miloidrr, just how big is your company? I've seen lisette, you, juan and estiven in here. Is that everyone? | 20:24 |
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| miloidrr | =) | 20:27 |
| miloidrr | We are around 40 people | 20:28 |
| perlDreamer | wow! | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | Is _everyone_ working on WebGUI? | 20:31 |
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| miloidrr | No, just 10 persons work in web gui | 20:35 |
| miloidrr | 20 person are content managers | 20:36 |
| miloidrr | and 10 are graphic designers | 20:36 |
| perlDreamer | big company | 20:37 |
| miloidrr | Yes | 20:37 |
| miloidrr | PerlDreamer, I have done your indications, but only work when the administrtation panel is turnOn | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI has a user cache. It is usually 10-15 minutes (to help reduce loading) | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | You can empty this cache if you wish. | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | Turn on Admin | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | Go to the Admin Console | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | Choose Cache | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | and use the button there to clear it. | 20:39 |
| miloidrr | Our most portals are in webgui | 20:39 |
| miloidrr | Perfect | 20:40 |
| miloidrr | it works | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 20:40 |
| miloidrr | It's a good trick | 20:41 |
| miloidrr | We are development a music portal in webgui | 20:41 |
| miloidrr | where the user can upload a song and a flash reprodtctor player the song | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | have you seen the new flash media player in WebGUI 7.5? | 20:45 |
| miloidrr | no i don't | 20:45 |
| miloidrr | i using a geniric player | 20:46 |
| perlDreamer | ah, this one is GPL. It was added in 7.5.11 | 20:46 |
| miloidrr | you can see the example in this link http://www.rockemite.fm/home/bandascescobar/always#UYTdn38F-zFM1ywig3uMlg | 20:46 |
| perlDreamer | there's a little typo on that page "We treat our customers like stars" | 20:47 |
| perlDreamer | I see | 20:48 |
| perlDreamer | this is why y'all have been asking about making a CS for each user | 20:49 |
| perlDreamer | you sign somebody up, make a CS for them, and then they add MP3s to the CS | 20:49 |
| miloidrr | Yes | 20:54 |
| miloidrr | But the user only can upload three mp3 | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | just 3? Why the limit? | 20:55 |
| miloidrr | HARD DISK SISE IN THE SERVER | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | makes sense | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: Do you think _anything_ is getting cleaned up in the cache dir? Like, ever? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | yes. as i said it worked for me | 22:10 |
| perlDreamer | you're running debian. | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | I'm running fedora | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | Susan isn't hosted, she has her own boxen | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | I wonder if it's related to SELinux? | 22:12 |
| @preaction | she's hosted by us, actually. she just has su access | 22:15 |
| perlDreamer | so she's on RHEL | 22:15 |
| perlDreamer | I'll bet that's what it is | 22:15 |
| @preaction | i tested on OSX, but yeah | 22:18 |
| @preaction | i don't think we have SELinux on our boxen, i hope | 22:18 |
| @preaction | ooh, a request to index the results from an SQLReport in the WebGUI index... that sounds like a good idea | 22:18 |
| perlDreamer | where's that? | 22:19 |
| perlDreamer | RFE? | 22:19 |
| @preaction | no, support board. but it sounds like an interesting RFE | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | would it work? | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | the SQLReport is pretty dynamic | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | it would have to update its content on every page view | 22:20 |
| @preaction | yeah, you're right. i was thinking it'd only have to update when the query changed | 22:21 |
| perlDreamer | well, I built a test for FileCache and I can delete and flush items | 22:21 |
| perlDreamer | so no problems there | 22:22 |
| perlDreamer | but it won't delete the cache dir itself, /tmp/WebGUICache | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | cannot remove directory for /tmp/WebGUICache: Operation not permitted | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | cannot restore permissions to 0777 for /tmp/WebGUICache: Operation not permitted | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | but it works for root | 22:25 |
| @preaction | which you should be running the upgrades as root, non? | 22:28 |
| perlDreamer | yes, but just ran the upgrade script and it didn't delete them | 22:28 |
| perlDreamer | running the upgrade script makes entries in the file cache | 22:31 |
| perlDreamer | so it only _looks_ like it isn't going away | 22:31 |
| lisett1 | in wich table of database of WG store the group of users? | 22:33 |
| perlDreamer | users | 22:34 |
| bopbop | question regarding Shop: I see each transaction is given a Transaction ID- 22 characters long- am I write in assuming that this is comparable to an asset ID? My real question is, below the Transaction ID is another number, shorter in length (8 chars)- what is this for? | 22:35 |
| bopbop | oops- ... am I RIGHT in assuming.... | 22:35 |
| ckotil | groupGroupings | 22:35 |
| ckotil | :x | 22:35 |
| ckotil | dammit, didnt read again. | 22:35 |
| perlDreamer | oh, not the set of users, but their groups | 22:35 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, groupGroupings | 22:35 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop, transactionId is a GUID. | 22:36 |
| ckotil | i think he wants groups | 22:36 |
| bopbop | so what is the the shorter number below it? | 22:36 |
| perlDreamer | s/he/she/ | 22:36 |
| ckotil | err, yeah | 22:36 |
| perlDreamer | it is either transaction number, which just keeps track of numbers for this user (your 3rd transaction, 4th transaction) etc. | 22:36 |
| perlDreamer | or it might be from the payment gateway | 22:37 |
| lisett1 | i need to know the list of user that of a group | 22:37 |
| perlDreamer | can you show me a screenshot? | 22:37 |
| perlDreamer | lisett1: $group->getAllUsers | 22:37 |
| perlDreamer | lisett1: perldoc WebGUI::Groups will help a lot | 22:38 |
| perlDreamer | err, WebGUI::Group | 22:38 |
| perlDreamer | time for a lunch break | 22:38 |
| lisett1 | i don't need pass the groupId? | 22:39 |
| perlDreamer | lisett1: first you create a group object with the correct id | 22:40 |
| perlDreamer | then you use the getAllUses method on it | 22:40 |
| perlDreamer | getAllUsers | 22:41 |
| lisett1 | thanks | 22:42 |
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| miloidrr1 | Hi i have a question about the user profile, where is the view profile styles | 01:38 |
| miloidrr1 | ? | 01:38 |
| @preaction | the style is set in the Admin Console > Settings tab | 01:38 |
| miloidrr1 | I cant found it | 01:40 |
| @preaction | what are you looking for exactly? how to set which style template is used on the View Profile page? | 01:40 |
| miloidrr1 | When an user select view profile, the system show the user information in a table | 01:41 |
| miloidrr1 | this table has an style | 01:41 |
| miloidrr1 | like a tableHeader | 01:41 |
| @preaction | do you mean "style" or do you mean "template"? | 01:41 |
| @preaction | the style is what's around the main content of the page | 01:42 |
| @preaction | the template is how the main content of the page is formatted | 01:42 |
| miloidrr1 | ok, excuseme, template | 01:42 |
| @preaction | the ability to select which template is used for the view profile screen is a new feature that will be released in 7.5.13 (not out yet) | 01:42 |
| miloidrr1 | haaaa | 01:43 |
| miloidrr1 | but the table has an styles like a class="tableHeader"> where is this? | 01:44 |
| @preaction | probably in one of the CSS files that the page uses | 01:44 |
| miloidrr1 | I need change just the backgraund color | 01:44 |
| miloidrr1 | I can't found it | 01:47 |
| @preaction | then you need to look harder. the CSS files are linked in the head block just like every other CSS file | 01:49 |
| miloidrr1 | Preaction Tks, i can't found the styles, but i create my style sheet | 02:12 |
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| @apeiron | ... heh, looks like someone's bored. | 05:51 |
| snapcount | good to see that is being kept up | 06:36 |
| @apeiron | Yes, because the RedNeck translation is indeed quite important. | 06:37 |
| snapcount | for sure | 06:37 |
| snapcount | without it, us Floridians would not be able to use WebGUI | 06:37 |
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| robbert | Hi. | 10:42 |
| robbert | No one there? I have a WebGUI question.. :) | 10:45 |
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| robbert | BartJol, goedemorgen! | 11:03 |
| BartJol | goeiemorgen | 11:03 |
| robbert | Bartjol, heb jij al met het nieuwe commerce systeem gewerkt? | 11:06 |
| BartJol | ik ben t aan t vertalen... | 11:08 |
| robbert | Ah, kijk. | 11:08 |
| robbert | Heb je enig idee hoe de shelf werkt? | 11:08 |
| BartJol | dus soortemet van | 11:08 |
| robbert | Alleen toevoegen lukt me. :) | 11:08 |
| BartJol | daar moeten dan producten van een bepaalde soort in | 11:09 |
| BartJol | net zoals bij een winkelpad, kan je ze dus een beetje sorteren | 11:09 |
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| robbert | Maar hoe plaats je die er dan in? Ik had al geprobeerd om onder een shelf producten aan te maken, maar die zie ik dan niet verschijnen. | 11:10 |
| BartJol | maar ik heb het nog nergens geinstalleerd | 11:10 |
| robbert | Ah, okee. Jammer. | 11:10 |
| BartJol | dus niet in werking gezien | 11:10 |
| BartJol | tsja, moet t binnenkort wel even doen | 11:11 |
| robbert | Ik zag ook net op webgui.nl dat de 12e er net een bijeenkomst is geweest over het commerce systeem. Maar daar ben ik dus net te laat voor.. | 11:11 |
| BartJol | Joeri had daar een presentatie over, maar weet niet precies wat tie ervan weet | 11:12 |
| BartJol | Martin is er wel druk mee bezig geweest, maar die heeft nu geen tijd | 11:12 |
| robbert | Ok, ga ik het zelf uitvogelen. In ieder geval bedankt.. | 11:12 |
| BartJol | succes, misschien kan je dr een wiki ding voor maken op webgui.org | 11:13 |
| robbert | Ja, als ik het weet doe ik dat. | 11:13 |
| BartJol | hip | 11:13 |
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| bartjol | does anybody know what an invalid first name is ? | 15:46 |
| ckotil | Probably referring to first name in the user profile. | 16:05 |
| ckotil | invalid could mean that a user has tried to use invalid characters in that field | 16:05 |
| bartjol | ok | 16:06 |
| bartjol | it wasn't hard to translate, but I'm not yet nerdy enough to think of such matters :) | 16:13 |
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| ckotil | heh | 16:19 |
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| bartjol | that wasn't jt.... | 16:26 |
| ckotil | computers are fun! | 16:27 |
| bartjol | well, to work with, in bed I prefer women | 16:28 |
| bartjol | but now I will go to MrHairgrease graduation presentation | 16:32 |
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| slickware | more stupid questions from myself | 18:34 |
| slickware | how the f do I unlock a page layout ? I don't even know how it got locked in the first place | 18:34 |
| @rizen | you need to commit the version tag it's locked under | 18:36 |
| @rizen | and if you already have, then you have a spectre problem...either it's not started, or not configured properly | 18:36 |
| slickware | lol... I'm on agency hosting | 18:42 |
| slickware | oh weird | 18:43 |
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| slickware | the version tag wouldn't let me commit unless I actually browsed to the tags area of the admin console | 18:43 |
| slickware | otherwise it would just show up as a tag, without a commit option | 18:43 |
| bopbop | slickware: did you join the tag? if you've logged out of the site, upon returning you might have to go to the version tags tab in the admin console and just click on the name of the tag to join it- then the commit link should appear | 18:45 |
| bopbop | if it didn't, then.... I'm at a loss :) | 18:45 |
| @rizen | slickware, if version tags are causing you pain, just turn them off, let me know if you want to know how | 18:47 |
| @tavisto | wow JT I didn't know the Designers workshop was already sold out | 18:47 |
| @tavisto | daaamn | 18:47 |
| @rizen | it is? | 18:47 |
| @tavisto | according to the wuc page right now | 18:47 |
| @rizen | i knew there were a few people signed up, didn't know it was sold out | 18:47 |
| @tavisto | Designers Workshop and Conf Combo | 18:47 |
| @tavisto | I'm about to help a guy named Jessie Littlewood with registered for the WUC too.. I just wanted to go through and test it out myself before I did | 18:48 |
| bopbop | the combo is sold out, but the workshop isn't.... | 18:48 |
| @tavisto | er registering | 18:48 |
| bopbop | that confused me a little | 18:48 |
| @tavisto | oh yeah... good point Kristi | 18:48 |
| @rizen | i'll take a look | 18:48 |
| @rizen | it's not | 18:50 |
| @rizen | i just forgot to enable the workflow that deletes stuff from people's carts | 18:50 |
| @tavisto | ah okay, Jessie said in his email he was trying to add workshops to his cart and it was giving him data errors | 18:51 |
| @rizen | as soon as you add a badge to your cart it takes it offline so that someone else can register it from under you | 18:51 |
| @rizen | but there's a workflow that cleans that up | 18:51 |
| @rizen | if the person doesn't check out | 18:52 |
| @rizen | within an hour | 18:52 |
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| perlDreamer | yo, folks | 18:52 |
| @rizen | are you saying i'm folky? | 18:52 |
| perlDreamer | I'm saying you're a mid-west redneck hick perl hacker | 18:52 |
| @rizen | i'm saying that Larry Wall recommends WebGUI: http://www.plainblack.com/jm2drfndziijpuxklr89yq | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | Larry is wise | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | He also runs Fedora | 18:53 |
| @tavisto | dere dere dere dere dere dere dere dere derrrrrrrr | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | well, or did a few years ago | 18:53 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Me again | 18:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | And with flash again | 18:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | How are you guys? | 18:58 |
| perlDreamer | cautious :) | 18:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejeje | 18:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | This time is easier | 18:58 |
| JohnRestrepo | I think so | 18:58 |
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| JohnRestrepo | Look at this | 19:00 |
| JohnRestrepo | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6f9620e1 | 19:00 |
| @preaction | <font> tags are deprecated, you should be using a stylesheet. same with <p align=""> (align="" is deprecated) and body bgcolor (bgcolor is deprecated) | 19:02 |
| @preaction | if the TinyMCE added those, then I would personally consider that a bug | 19:02 |
| JohnRestrepo | Sorry | 19:02 |
| @preaction | no, it's just the nits that i pick | 19:02 |
| JohnRestrepo | Wrong code | 19:03 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejej | 19:03 |
| @preaction | what's the issue with the flash though? none of those so-called problems should be affecting that | 19:03 |
| JohnRestrepo | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4909b14c | 19:03 |
| JohnRestrepo | This is the right one | 19:03 |
| JohnRestrepo | This script let pass some vars Flash-Javascript | 19:04 |
| @tavisto | Rizen, are you still working on the WUC site | 19:04 |
| JohnRestrepo | This works perfect with a normal site | 19:04 |
| JohnRestrepo | As you see the script goes next to </body> tag | 19:05 |
| JohnRestrepo | And the <object> goes in the <body></body> | 19:05 |
| @rizen | tavisto: no | 19:05 |
| JohnRestrepo | In webgui this two blocks are separated | 19:05 |
| @tavisto | I just noticed all the "back to site" links point to pb.com. (ie in the shipping screens) | 19:06 |
| JohnRestrepo | Where can I write the script after the </body> | 19:06 |
| JohnRestrepo | In the page layout? | 19:06 |
| @preaction | JohnRestrepo, yeah, it would probably have to be in the template or the extra head tags of the file. where that script is shouldn't matter, only when it is called should matter | 19:07 |
| JohnRestrepo | But if I put it in the <head> it doesn't work | 19:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | Ok | 19:08 |
| JohnRestrepo | I will work on it a little more | 19:08 |
| @preaction | so it has to come after the flash <object>? | 19:09 |
| @preaction | that might require you to create a template, or a macro or something | 19:09 |
| * perlDreamer asks (ignorantly) why the location of the javascript matters? | 19:11 | |
| JohnRestrepo | I don't know | 19:11 |
| JohnRestrepo | It shouldn't be | 19:11 |
| JohnRestrepo | But it is | 19:11 |
| JohnRestrepo | You know, things happen sometimes | 19:12 |
| @preaction | probably because the flash plugin creates the bindings as the flash movie is loaded | 19:13 |
| JohnRestrepo | It worked!! | 19:14 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejeje | 19:14 |
| JohnRestrepo | I put it in the <head> and it worked | 19:15 |
| @preaction | or that | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | I tried it yesterday all day long | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | And nothing happen | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | And works when I ask you | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | The solution | 19:15 |
| JohnRestrepo | jejejej | 19:15 |
| perlDreamer | preaction is powerful | 19:16 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI is afraid of him | 19:16 |
| @preaction | get IE to fear me and then we're in business | 19:16 |
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| slickware | are you serious about <font> tags being depreciated? | 19:18 |
| perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:18 |
| perlDreamer | Haven't you tried to validate your code? | 19:19 |
| slickware | LOL | 19:19 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI strives to be XHTML1.?? compliant | 19:19 |
| slickware | c'mon now, really | 19:19 |
| slickware | I don't have a vagina, I don't need validation :-D | 19:19 |
| slickware | /sarcasm | 19:20 |
| perlDreamer | Dude, that was a little over the top | 19:20 |
| slickware | my apologies I'm a little bitter at the moment | 19:20 |
| slickware | but seriously... I haven't used a good wysiwyg editor since Dreamweaver MX.. how are they handling font changes? CSS? | 19:21 |
| perlDreamer | I believe so | 19:22 |
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| slickware | hmm... wysiwyg css would be interesting | 19:24 |
| slickware | maybe I would like it | 19:24 |
| perlDreamer | I'd just tinker with TinyMCE and see what the generated HTML looks like. | 19:25 |
| slickware | never used that | 19:25 |
| perlDreamer | It's the one that WebGUI uses | 19:25 |
| slickware | oh, is that what used to be HTMLArea? | 19:26 |
| @preaction | no, that IS the HTMLArea | 19:26 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 19:26 |
| @preaction | HTMLArea form element instanciates a WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit and displays it | 19:26 |
| slickware | same thing? or different components | 19:26 |
| @tavisto | slickware, you can always embed a css file into the rich text editor and then enable "apply style" as a dropdown menu on the editor | 19:26 |
| @tavisto | so then you can just choose the css formatting you want.... for text, images, etc.. | 19:27 |
| slickware | in theory | 19:27 |
| slickware | I meant "maybe I'd like it" as in, "maybe I would actually enjoy using CSS for a change" | 19:27 |
| @tavisto | once you get used to it... it makes formatting and design pretty easy without many lines of code | 19:27 |
| slickware | I know some, but what turns me off is editing other CSS's (such as WebGUI's) because I have no idea what some of the tags apply to | 19:28 |
| @preaction | get firebug | 19:28 |
| @preaction | or see the selectoracle | 19:28 |
| slickware | so I know I'm not utilizing it to the fullest extent | 19:28 |
| perlDreamer | one could submit a bug asking that the default CSS files be commented for clarity... | 19:29 |
| slickware | that'd make me popular | 19:29 |
| perlDreamer | not with the devs, but other users would love it :) | 19:29 |
| slickware | haha | 19:29 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto lights his torch and grabs his pitchfork* Let's get him! | 19:29 |
| @preaction | there's an initiative already to clean up the default template set | 19:30 |
| slickware | consider it a hard sell to make people buy the dev guide | 19:30 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, maybe we could assign that bug to you | 19:30 |
| @preaction | perhaps CSS comments could be added to that | 19:30 |
| perlDreamer | the dev guide is for coders. You must mean the design guide. | 19:30 |
| slickware | sorry, yes | 19:30 |
| @tavisto | nope, I dont have any hands free... I'm trying to lynch someone right now | 19:30 |
| @preaction | but i would hope that the new template set would be designed in such a way so that the CSS is easy to understand | 19:30 |
| slickware | sure... and in 3 weeks I'll look at the CSS and see | 19:30 |
| slickware | <style #14242> // Slickware is a sh*thead | 19:30 |
| @preaction | #assetName { /* CSS for this asset is here */ } | 19:31 |
| perlDreamer | bugs, bugs, bugs, bugs | 19:32 |
| perlDreamer | none of the showMessage setting fields are sticky | 19:33 |
| @tavisto | perlDreamer, is the beta server getting a bugfix this eve? | 19:33 |
| perlDreamer | I'm not scheduled to do it. | 19:33 |
| slickware | what's the difference between "side-by-side" and "side-by-side (tables)" ? | 19:37 |
| @tavisto | if you edit them you'll see that one uses divs and one uses tables for layout | 19:39 |
| @preaction | in other words: one is good and one is bad | 19:39 |
| slickware | why... are tables being antiquated too? | 19:39 |
| @preaction | tables for layout is bad | 19:40 |
| @preaction | tables are to be used for rows and columns of data | 19:40 |
| slickware | well neither one displays my damn home page correctly in IE | 19:40 |
| slickware | so right now they're both bad! | 19:40 |
| @tavisto | yes on most sites, the general movement is to CSS through divs. Table based sites are slowly going away | 19:40 |
| slickware | hm | 19:41 |
| slickware | I really never thought css would catch on | 19:41 |
| @tavisto | so not learning CSS is not really an option if you want to stay relevant :) | 19:41 |
| slickware | I was hoping it would die like Layers did | 19:41 |
| @preaction | Layers aren't technically dead. most of what they did, Divs now do | 19:42 |
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| @preaction | CSS has positioning, you can move things dynamically through CSS | 19:42 |
| * slickware makes not to pick up a css-for-dummies book tonight | 19:43 | |
| slickware | *note | 19:43 |
| ckotil | anyone know in what js file this function is defined? window_open() | 19:44 |
| ckotil | i need to include it into my custom templates | 19:44 |
| @preaction | window_open()? why not just window.open()? | 19:45 |
| ckotil | i can pry find it by check the source on plainblack.com | 19:45 |
| ckotil | when you tell an asset to open in a new window, it uses window_open | 19:45 |
| ckotil | in the navigation asset | 19:46 |
| ckotil | rather than <a href="" target="_blank" | 19:46 |
| ckotil | which worked just fine | 19:46 |
| lisett1 | the i18n.webgui.org is bad? | 19:48 |
| perlDreamer | people were using it this morning | 19:49 |
| perlDreamer | but yeah, it seems to be down right now | 19:49 |
| lisett1 | mmmm | 19:49 |
| lisett1 | thanks | 19:49 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: Do you know what's up with i18n.webgui.org? | 19:49 |
| lisett1 | now | 19:49 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:50 |
| lisett1 | it's works | 19:50 |
| @Haarg | what kind of error was showing up? | 19:51 |
| perlDreamer | really long connect times | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | hrm | 19:51 |
| perlDreamer | like it was heavily loaded, or couldn't connect | 19:51 |
| perlDreamer | slower than my P3 | 19:51 |
| slickware | alright. I am almost completely convinced that this is a bug with the page layouts... | 19:52 |
| @Haarg | there's been some server troubles, but it's seemed mostly ok for a while | 19:52 |
| slickware | someone with IE and firefox, if you would, browse to web520.plainblack.net | 19:52 |
| slickware | FF shows the 3 articles on the right in a column, as they should be | 19:52 |
| slickware | IE takes anything in the right-hand column and makes them a horizontal stack rather than vertical | 19:52 |
| perlDreamer | slickware: Firefox 2.0.0.11 I see a 2 column layout with all content on the left | 19:52 |
| perlDreamer | all content = 3 chunks | 19:53 |
| ckotil | i dont like this window_open() any idea when it was implemented? | 19:53 |
| @preaction | ckotil, which file is it in? i can try to find out | 19:54 |
| slickware | FF on my machine shows 2 columns, 6 chunks, side by side | 19:54 |
| ckotil | im not even sure. | 19:54 |
| @preaction | if you don't like it, perhaps it shouldn't be in webgui | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | where are you seeing it on pb.com? | 19:54 |
| @preaction | it's not in the extras folder? | 19:54 |
| ckotil | but when i enable 'open in new window' it gets used | 19:54 |
| ckotil | im greeping for it now | 19:55 |
| slickware | ok... now FF is correct. But IE is still displaying a horizontal 'list' rather than vertical | 19:55 |
| perlDreamer | slickware, could you please clear the cache? | 19:56 |
| slickware | I did | 19:56 |
| slickware | I'm showing 3 chunks on the left side in FF | 19:56 |
| slickware | 1.5 chunks in IE | 19:56 |
| @tavisto | wow pb.com is slooooow for me | 19:57 |
| perlDreamer | Still seeing the same thing in 2.0.0.11 | 19:57 |
| ckotil | tavisto: me too | 19:58 |
| slickware | perlDreamer: yes, that's what it SHOULD look like in FF | 19:58 |
| slickware | view it in IE now | 19:58 |
| perlDreamer | I don't have IE | 19:58 |
| perlDreamer | why would you display only the left column to FF users? | 19:58 |
| @preaction | ckotil, tavisto: i'm on it. we've been having trouble since yesterday but haven't been able to localize it to diagnose | 19:59 |
| slickware | perlDreamer: that's not my intent. I'm trying to figure out why IE won't display it AS A COLUMN. it is turning it into a horizontal list instead. | 19:59 |
| @tavisto | do work son! | 19:59 |
| slickware | perlDreamer: I thought it was the other articles that were forcing the right col off the page, but apparently they are doing it even when those articles are deleted. | 19:59 |
| slickware | (which they are now) | 19:59 |
| @preaction | i am doing work old man. i'm doing my normal work plus trying to let you do yours :p | 19:59 |
| ckotil | hrmm, its window_open in 7.4.39 and window.open in the beta demo site | 20:00 |
| @Haarg | that should really be done a different way anyway | 20:01 |
| @Haarg | i may change that when i fix up some other issues with the nav bar | 20:01 |
| ckotil | what js file do i need to include into my template to get the window_open function? | 20:02 |
| @Haarg | where do you see it? | 20:02 |
| ckotil | its in my html , generated by the nav asset | 20:03 |
| ckotil | im running 7.4.39 | 20:03 |
| @Haarg | what template? | 20:03 |
| ckotil | verticalMenu | 20:03 |
| ckotil | i hacked it a bit. but i started with verticalMenu | 20:03 |
| ckotil | ah | 20:03 |
| ckotil | found my problem ;) | 20:03 |
| ckotil | thanks for helping me narrow it down | 20:04 |
| @Haarg | i would recommend doing <tmpl_if page.newWindow>onclick="window.open(this.href)"</tmpl_if> href="<tmpl_var page.url>" instead | 20:05 |
| @Haarg | err, "window.open(this.href); return false" | 20:05 |
| ckotil | ok, thanks | 20:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6759 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 20:08 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: More cleaning up of the upgrade file (forgot newlines). | 20:08 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make sure that the user profile template settings have a default value and remember | 20:08 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: their previous value. | 20:08 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6760 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Settings.pm: make showMessage sticky | 20:08 |
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| ckotil | works great! | 20:24 |
| ckotil | is this.href a template variable? bc im using h:t:e ill need to change it to this_href | 20:27 |
| @preaction | no, it's javascript | 20:27 |
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| ckotil | kthx | 20:27 |
| ckotil | heh, the return false; example broke links that werent set to open in new window. | 20:31 |
| ckotil | i didnt notice for about 10 minutes | 20:31 |
| ckotil | surprised noone wasnt screaming at me | 20:31 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6761 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: Cannot add youtube videos in IE6/7. Fixed by adding an "allow media" switch to the rich editor | 20:38 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 20:38 |
| SquOnk | And update and "request for help" | 20:38 |
| perlDreamer | talk to me, SquOnk | 20:38 |
| SquOnk | The current webgui package is ready for upload. However, it depends on Archive::Any... | 20:39 |
| perlDreamer | and...? | 20:39 |
| SquOnk | ...I've packaged Archive::Any but its author does not have a proper copyright notice neither in the CPAN Webpage nor in the module distribution | 20:39 |
| SquOnk | It's GPL and all, but it does not say "Copyright (c) bla bla" | 20:39 |
| @preaction | vunderbal | 20:39 |
| SquOnk | I've emailed the author, but he hasn't answered (two weeks and counting) | 20:40 |
| SquOnk | I've opened a bug in CPAN's RT, but he hasn't answered (twelve days and counting) | 20:40 |
| SquOnk | How do you feel about e-mailing him too? Maybe peer pressure will make him do such a simple thing :-) | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | I can try | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | I'll also look to see if we can design it out | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | but later, after workout and lunch | 20:41 |
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| SquOnk | I even explained to him that it's not necessary (although desirable) for him to make a new release just for that. For the time being, a private e-mail clarifying copyright would suffice for Debian packaging | 20:41 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Archive::Any is just a wrapper for Archive::Tar and Archive::Zip | 20:42 |
| SquOnk | Anyway, that's how the cookie crumbles :-) | 20:42 |
| @preaction | yeah, i chose it because i was also planning on adding Archive::Any::Plugins for RAR and all those other nice Archive::* modules | 20:42 |
| SquOnk | Heh | 20:43 |
| SquOnk | brb | 20:43 |
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| slickware | hey... is Frank in here? I was supposed to have a devel. call around 2 and was out of the office for a bit | 21:08 |
| @preaction | khenn, your presense is requested | 21:11 |
| bopbop | the IOB says he's out | 21:11 |
| bopbop | but should return soon | 21:11 |
| slickware | ok | 21:11 |
| bopbop | nice thank you message in the add product screen | 21:18 |
| bopbop | .... or they might buy it for Amazon instead | 21:18 |
| bopbop | there's nothing like plugging another commerce site in the hover help ;) | 21:19 |
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| @tavisto | bopbop, that was Colin's doing... I found that like a week ago and was like.. wtf!! | 21:42 |
| bopbop | it's pretty funny | 21:42 |
| bopbop | don't know if it's meant to be, but it made me laugh | 21:42 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6762 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added Next and Previous GalleryAlbum links in the Album Views | 21:52 |
| @khenn | slickware: are you present still? | 21:55 |
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| perlDreamer | SquOnk, in the README for Archive::Any it says: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself. | 22:14 |
| perlDreamer | is that good enough? | 22:14 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: No | 22:17 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: That's just licensing information. Needs a copyright notice. | 22:18 |
| @preaction | it needs a Copyright AND a license | 22:18 |
| perlDreamer | In the US, copyright is implicit | 22:18 |
| perlDreamer | unless otherwise stated, he owns it | 22:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah, but not everywhere. | 22:18 |
| @preaction | i suppose running "cpan Archive::Any" in a post-install script would be a bad solution? | 22:18 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: And thus requires Debian::Policy | 22:19 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Yep, because Archive::Any won't be known by the package system | 22:19 |
| @preaction | still wouldn't follow policy anyway | 22:19 |
| @preaction | can't patch it into WebGUI as part of the dpkg, because of policy | 22:20 |
| perlDreamer | how easy would it be to design it out, preaction? | 22:20 |
| @preaction | heh... i think we're at the mercy of those upstream people unless we remove the dependency on Archive::Any, or... alternatively... release our own version to CPAN | 22:20 |
| @preaction | i'd have to do things I don't usually have to do: determine what type of file it is (using File::Type or MIME::Type or something), then load the appropriate Archive::* module and use that to process it. | 22:21 |
| @preaction | which means we'd be best served by making a WebGUI::Archive that would do the same thing as Archive::Any really | 22:21 |
| perlDreamer | so these are our options: | 22:26 |
| perlDreamer | 1) Build it ourselves | 22:26 |
| perlDreamer | 2) Don't ship the Gallery in the debian package | 22:26 |
| perlDreamer | 2) Wait for someone to copyright it properly | 22:26 |
| @preaction | might not work to not ship the Gallery, API methods are used in upgrade scripts. it would mean more work for the dpkg maintainer at least | 22:28 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 22:30 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: is the release scheduled for tonight? | 22:36 |
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| SquOnk | Just got e-mail from Archive::Any's author | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | He's clarified copyright, so all is good. | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | w00t! | 22:58 |
| SquOnk | Let's get Archive::Any uploaded today, so I can upload webgui on sunday or monday | 23:00 |
| perlDreamer | uploaded? | 23:01 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Uploaded to Debian's repository in the form of a proper Debian package. | 23:04 |
| @preaction | sweet | 23:04 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6763 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix a typo with inStock vs in_stock template variables for the Product. It should be in_stock. | 23:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a new template variable, canEdit. | 23:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Change the default template to use canEdit to display the list of variants, so they aren't showed | 23:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: twice. | 23:06 |
| miloidrr | Hi i have a question about the cs | 23:09 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: ask | 23:10 |
| perlbot | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 23:10 |
| perlDreamer | You only need permission to break WebGUI, not to ask questions :) | 23:11 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, you've asked permission before breaking WebGUI? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | "Tis better to beg forgiveness than to ask permission" | 23:12 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: all the time :) | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | rizen, my code is ready, can I commit it now? | 23:13 |
| @preaction | svn ci -m'can i break webgui'; # does not permission make | 23:13 |
| perlDreamer | that's perlDreamer speak for, "I've hacked this thing up and haven't tested it." | 23:13 |
| @rizen | what code? | 23:13 |
| @preaction | good job, ex lax | 23:14 |
| perlDreamer | sorry, rizen, that was a general question | 23:14 |
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| miloidrr | How can i put the content rich editor to write in the default postform template in the summary | 23:14 |
| miloidrr | i nned use a code to this | 23:15 |
| perlDreamer | miloidrr, edit the CS and tell it which one you want it to use | 23:15 |
| perlDreamer | it defaults to a different one for posts, but you can change that | 23:15 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI ships with two configurations for the Rich Editor, but you could also make more | 23:16 |
| perlDreamer | Es bastante para repostar a su pregunta? | 23:16 |
| miloidrr | a=) | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: responder | 23:17 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, SquOnk. | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Actually... | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | Es suficiente para responder a su pregunta? | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | Although that's "weird" spanish :-) | 23:17 |
| SquOnk | Responde eso a su pregunta? is more natural | 23:17 |
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| miloidrr | PerlDreamer, i know the two configurations to the editors | 23:20 |
| miloidrr | But, when i' m going to add a new post, the summary always is a simple text area | 23:22 |
| miloidrr | It don't have the rich editor option | 23:22 |
| SquOnk | miloidrr: Either you have JavaScript disabled in the browser, or your web server is unable to serve www/extras properly | 23:22 |
| @preaction | no... i'm not sure that the Summary field is a TinyMCE by default | 23:24 |
| miloidrr | I have the last version of firefox | 23:24 |
| @preaction | you might have to load the TinyMCE into that textarea by yourself | 23:24 |
| @preaction | Otherwise, you can use the ^-; (i think) marker in the content field to say "the stuff before this should also be put into the summary field" | 23:25 |
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| @Haarg | perlDreamer: release will be tonight | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | this CS post url fixing thing is a pain | 23:40 |
| perlDreamer | yeah it is | 23:41 |
| @Haarg | i tracked it down, but coming up with a fix isn't quite so simple | 23:41 |
| SquOnk | Release means 7.5.13? | 23:42 |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: yes | 23:42 |
| SquOnk | And the weird -- directory is still there? :-) | 23:42 |
| perlDreamer | directory, or file? | 23:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Look in uploads | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | oh, yeah directroty | 23:43 |
| @Haarg | is that a problem? | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, it will probably still be there | 23:43 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Directory _and_ file :-) | 23:43 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Short answer: yes, for the Debian package | 23:43 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: Long answer: Debian has several utilities to ease package creation... | 23:44 |
| @preaction | and we've exposed some bugs in them ;-) | 23:44 |
| SquOnk | ...one of those utilities is named dh_install. It installs files and directories with a very simple specification, while fixing permissions | 23:44 |
| SquOnk | ...dh_install barfs on files/directories whose names begin with dashes :-) | 23:44 |
| @Haarg | and you can't adjust how it is called? | 23:45 |
| SquOnk | So, I worked around by crafting a couple of find and cp in the Makefile | 23:45 |
| SquOnk | (invisible to users, only visible to me and package auditors though) | 23:45 |
| SquOnk | Having dh_install fixed is tougher since this bug is neither release critical nor serious | 23:45 |
| perlDreamer | that probably depends on your viewpoint :) | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | ...and since the files are just part of some of the standard uploads, maybe "re-uploading" them with a different session id may fix the issue | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | It's critical to use because we want to be in Debian soon. | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Exactly. RC and Serious are Debian severities. | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | so you can't adjust how dh_install is called? | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | Haarg: No, I can't. I just worked around the problem. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | The Makefile works and the package gets built, that's not a problem. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | The Makefile it's "ugly" in the sense that I'm having to resort to non dh_* tools to build the package. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | That's not bad, not even frowned upon... | 23:48 |
| SquOnk | ...but package reviewers (the picky ones) will probably ask me about the kludge. | 23:48 |
| @preaction | blame their lousy tools ;-) | 23:48 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Indeed :-) | 23:48 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I reported the bug, it's just that it's not going to be fixed soon. The focus now is on RC and Serious bugs, and this bugs is not serious (in Debian parlance) | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | well, lots of tools will behave unexpectedly on a file called -- if you don't call them correctly | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | Had to ask if the file was still there :-) | 23:50 |
| * SquOnk moves on to a Xen setup | 23:50 | |
| perlDreamer | SquOnk: How 'bout if we patch it? Would that expedite it? | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Patch dh_install? Oh, don't worry about it... | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | Maybe I did not make myself clear. | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | The package works. WebGUI works as expected after installation. That's what users need. | 23:52 |
| SquOnk | Building of the package works. No errors. No warnings. | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | I understand that. I also know the pain of non-standard configs and builds. | 23:52 |
| SquOnk | The _way_ the package is being built is almost "debian-perfect" except for the fact that I crafted a couple of find and cp commands. | 23:52 |
| SquOnk | The reviewers will ask me about it, and I have the answers they need. | 23:52 |
| SquOnk | Part of the answer is "dh_install is b0rk3n" :-) | 23:53 |
| SquOnk | If that directory and files were removed and reloaded with a different session id, the problem would be gone, wouldn't it? | 23:53 |
| @preaction | you'd also have to update the storageId in the database, but yes | 23:54 |
| SquOnk | (barring the appearance of other dash-prefixed names in the future :-) | 23:54 |
| perlDreamer | it's 1 in 64 of getting a dash in that position | 23:54 |
| perlDreamer | I think we should learn to live with it | 23:54 |
| @preaction | you could also use the case-insensitive version of the storage system | 23:54 |
| @preaction | which iirc is a hex representation of the base64 id | 23:54 |
| * perlDreamer shudders | 23:55 | |
| perlDreamer | case insensitive file system | 23:55 |
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| SquOnk | Where b0rk3n and B0RK3N are and understatement :-) | 23:56 |
| @Haarg | too bad everyone at pb is using case insensitive | 23:56 |
| @preaction | we are? HFS+ can be either i thought | 23:59 |
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| @Haarg | yes, but it's insensitive by default | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | and i think it screws up a good number of apps | 00:00 |
| @preaction | ooh. heh, i'm not using the insensitive version. maybe that's why style_03 is borked on my dev box | 00:00 |
| @preaction | (it's just missing one image, no big deal) | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | which image? | 00:00 |
| @preaction | main_top.jpg | 00:00 |
| @Haarg | i think it's just messed up right now | 00:01 |
| @Haarg | i need to fix some of that stuff for the release | 00:01 |
| perlDreamer | I think it's working in .13 | 00:01 |
| @Haarg | it's supposed to be fixed, but i don't think it is | 00:02 |
| @Haarg | just a matter of messing with the packages though | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | and i need to make sure we didn't get any more .svn dirs packaged | 00:03 |
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| perlDreamer | people really do not understand select lists and the user profile field | 00:28 |
| @preaction | nope | 00:37 |
| @preaction | but, well, it is... different | 00:37 |
| @preaction | perhaps there should be some sort of "fixDefaultValue" that will parse what the user inputs into what webgui uses | 00:38 |
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| @tavisto | Rizen, do you happen to have the URL on your computer for that University of Nebraska Omaha site | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: or maybe we could seed it with an example? | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | I mean, the hover help is right there | 00:40 |
| @preaction | it would have to be seeded on a per-fieldType basis though | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | yes, but that field should be hidden for non-list types anyway, don't you think? | 00:41 |
| perlDreamer | brb | 00:41 |
| @preaction | maybe, with better javascript, we could make them choose a fieldType first, and then display the rest of the form | 00:42 |
| @rizen | no | 00:42 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6764 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.12-7.5.13.pl): remove temporary table left over from 7.5.11 upgrade | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: why not? Isn't JS allowed in admin mode? | 00:52 |
| @preaction | oh. he might've been responding to tavis | 00:53 |
| perlDreamer | phew :) | 00:53 |
| @rizen | no was for tavis | 00:53 |
| topsub | hey perlDreamer | 00:53 |
| perlDreamer | yes, topsub? | 00:53 |
| topsub | i tried to do the patch to edit the view my profile page and i ran into a few things | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | I probably should have tested that before telling you to try it for me. | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | All I can tell you is that 7.5.13 seems to work okay | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | and I did find the bug you mentioned about the missing manage/edit buttons and had already fixed it | 00:55 |
| topsub | ah nice | 00:55 |
| perlDreamer | what was the other thing you came across? | 00:56 |
| topsub | i trying to start this project and i needed that support since i am not sure when 7.5.13 will be out | 00:56 |
| topsub | the user profiling button in the admin console went away | 00:56 |
| topsub | and i couldn't even "view my profile" after i did the patch | 00:56 |
| perlDreamer | run a syntax check on the code | 00:56 |
| perlDreamer | perl -wc -I /data/WebGUI/lib Operation/UserProfiling.pm # or whatever the correct name is | 00:57 |
| perlDreamer | there may have been problems during the merge | 00:57 |
| perlDreamer | and .13 is supposed to be out today | 00:57 |
| topsub | is it? if it is then i won't worry about it | 00:57 |
| topsub | long as its working in .13 | 00:57 |
| @tavisto | hey topsub, how were your perl classes today? | 00:57 |
| topsub | tavisto, lonnggggggggggg | 00:57 |
| @tavisto | haha | 00:58 |
| topsub | like a dump trunk of information all at once | 00:58 |
| perlDreamer | I just double checked, it is working | 00:58 |
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| topsub | also edit your profile page wouldn't work perlDreamer | 00:58 |
| @tavisto | well atleast you have a big cushy bed at the hotel and you aren't staying in the dorms | 00:59 |
| topsub | lol | 00:59 |
| topsub | tru | 00:59 |
| perlDreamer | topsub, I'll check both those | 01:00 |
| perlDreamer | view is good | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | edit is also good | 01:01 |
| topsub | nice! wonder if its something in 7.5.10 | 01:01 |
| @preaction | i think 7.5.11 has those changes to the Form::Control API | 01:03 |
| @preaction | because they came out of the need for the EMS rewrite | 01:04 |
| topsub | ah | 01:07 |
| topsub | also i came across the limitation of not being able to delete any default user profiling. Will this change at all? | 01:09 |
| perlDreamer | you mean you can't delete some fields that are provided by default, or something else? | 01:10 |
| topsub | i couldn't delete any default user profiling | 01:10 |
| topsub | i can add fields and delete thoses | 01:10 |
| topsub | but can't delete any ones that come by default | 01:10 |
| perlDreamer | are the fields that you want to delete protected? You can check by trying to edit the field. | 01:11 |
| topsub | which i know some i need to have but seems not all of them | 01:11 |
| topsub | ah it seems i was trying to delete the category of like " personal information " and i had a protected one in there | 01:12 |
| topsub | which thats why it wasn't allowing me to delete it | 01:12 |
| perlDreamer | yup | 01:12 |
| topsub | ahh well nvm | 01:12 |
| topsub | i just dlete misc information i think | 01:13 |
| topsub | which had aliases in it | 01:13 |
| topsub | which i just destroyed my install now.. lol | 01:13 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, aliases are used by the CS | 01:13 |
| perlDreamer | it checks for alias, then username, then something else for what to call the poster | 01:14 |
| topsub | hmm i just deleted the category personal information with Alias underneath it and it deleted it all | 01:15 |
| topsub | i had Alias, middle name, signature under personal information and i deleted the category personal information and it did it | 01:15 |
| topsub | i had to add Alias back which fixed my problem | 01:15 |
| perlDreamer | did you set Alias as unprotected? | 01:15 |
| perlDreamer | I'd file it as a bug, just in case | 01:17 |
| topsub | hmm can i switch it to unprotected? | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | The field? Yes. | 01:18 |
| topsub | i just see, visible, editable, requred, show at reg, required for password | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah, that's a bug. You can delete an unprotected category even if it contains protected fields. | 01:18 |
| topsub | as yes / no questions for the field | 01:18 |
| topsub | i will post it | 01:19 |
| snapcount | is state a reserved template variable having something to do with versioning? | 01:20 |
| topsub | perlDreamer do you know what time the builds normally come out? | 01:20 |
| perlDreamer | topsub, I'm wrong. You can't unprotect a protected category or field. It's not exposed to the UI. | 01:21 |
| snapcount | i.e., <tmpl_var state> | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | So you're stuck with it | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | snapcount, yes | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | it's added in last by processTemplate when $asset->get is called | 01:21 |
| snapcount | is there a best practice to scope tmpl vars or should I just not use it? | 01:21 |
| perlDreamer | No best practices that I know of, except don't use dots in names. | 01:22 |
| snapcount | oh ok so I have to use a different name | 01:22 |
| snapcount | thanks homey | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | and check the Help for already used names :) | 01:22 |
| snapcount | ooh really? | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 01:22 |
| snapcount | I did not know those were there | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | they are nowadays | 01:22 |
| snapcount | but I didn't look either so I'll take my lashing =P | 01:22 |
| snapcount | thank you for your help | 01:23 |
| perlDreamer | I try to keep things up to date, but they're not always. | 01:23 |
| topsub | when i have this custom view profile template can i pull the individual fields like.. <tmpl_var profile.field.email.value> something like that? | 01:27 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/WebGUIProfile.pm | 01:27 |
| perlDreamer | or, just use the free, online help system that lists all the template variables | 01:28 |
| perlDreamer | Turn on Admin, Admin Console, Help, then find the name of the template that you want in theer | 01:28 |
| topsub | so in the new patch there will be help information | 01:28 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 01:28 |
| topsub | alright thats cool, just didn't know if you guys thought about that | 01:28 |
| perlDreamer | there are no "by name" interfaces to the templates, only the loops | 01:28 |
| snapcount | I was wondering why all of the states in my addresses were listed as published =) | 01:29 |
| perlDreamer | Are they public information? :) | 01:29 |
| snapcount | no no | 01:29 |
| snapcount | this is not a work thing | 01:30 |
| snapcount | that would be cool though | 01:30 |
| snapcount | convert all our search products to webgui | 01:30 |
| snapcount | alright... thanks for the help man | 01:30 |
| snapcount | I'm headed home | 01:30 |
| perlDreamer | you're welcome | 01:30 |
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| topsub | also iput a bug report in about how i tired to do a select list with user profiling and its not working that i can tell | 01:39 |
| perlDreamer | If that's the bug I saw earlier, the profile field wasn't set up properly. | 01:40 |
| topsub | did you post back to ticket? | 01:40 |
| topsub | am i using it wrong? | 01:40 |
| perlDreamer | yes, and yes :) | 01:41 |
| topsub | doh! | 01:41 |
| topsub | did you make the change on the demo link so i can look at it? | 01:41 |
| perlDreamer | Almost everything nowadays has tooltips on the labels for forms | 01:41 |
| perlDreamer | topsub: yes I did | 01:41 |
| topsub | oh wow you have to do it just like it says.. that works different then the rest of the site. well the sql form i believe | 01:42 |
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| perlDreamer | I need 15 minutes more to patch a bug. | 02:07 |
| perlDreamer | okay, it's done | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | Time to go home. I'll see you guys later. | 02:14 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6765 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 02:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix getThumbnailUrl in the Product, which was called by the Shelf directly causing failures. | 02:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix getPrice in the Product, which returned undef until a variant was applied to it. | 02:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: These two fixes fix the Shelf. | 02:22 |
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| topsub | perlDreamer, thanks for your help | 03:14 |
| topsub | how isn't online anymore | 03:14 |
| topsub | who* | 03:14 |
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| @tavisto | grrr | 03:36 |
| @tavisto | I just posted a new item on PB for news and even after adding an extra space after each paragraph it still squished the paragraphs together | 03:37 |
| @tavisto | son of ah | 03:37 |
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| danny_mk | Hello everyone | 03:39 |
| danny_mk | has anyone run across a Perl OpenId 2.0 implementation? | 03:39 |
| SquOnk | danny_mk: There are several Net::OpenID::* in CPAN | 03:42 |
| danny_mk | yes I know | 03:42 |
| danny_mk | I am looking for 2.0 | 03:42 |
| danny_mk | all of the ones on CPAN support 1.0 | 03:42 |
| danny_mk | see: http://www.plainblack.com/user_contributions/user_contributions/miscellaneous/openid-auth-module#lZZtNvKFqp3lMayX0mWRcA | 03:43 |
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| topsub | i am adding a gallery and when i try to add an album it seems like it just dies. There is nothing in the webgui.log. any other suggestions? 7.5.10 beta | 03:56 |
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| topsub | thanks perlDreamer for your help before | 06:49 |
| perlDreamer | you're welcome, topsub | 06:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I was thinking of patching a bug. Is a release imminent? | 07:14 |
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| perlDreamer | All fixes in. Good luck and good night. | 07:48 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6766 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Prevent the Subscription from showing the redeem code label and URL unless there are codes | 07:51 |
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| beginwebgui | Even ii am in Admin group, i cannot see the security tab of some assets. any suggestions?? | 08:01 |
| beginwebgui | but i can view that security tab fro same asset if i am logged in as "admin" user. any help --> apeiron, Haarg, preaction, rizen, ascii (asking top 5) | 08:05 |
| @Haarg | check your ui level | 08:05 |
| beginwebgui | hmm.. that could it. | 08:05 |
| beginwebgui | hmm.. that could be it. | 08:06 |
| beginwebgui | its 5 .. | 08:06 |
| beginwebgui | Haarg: we need to be 9 (guru) for that? | 08:06 |
| beginwebgui | Haarg: Even 6 (prfessional) UI level worked.. thanks. | 08:10 |
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| Trebbor | Goodmorning BartJol! | 11:03 |
| BartJol | hi | 11:03 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6772 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.13/ (3 files): repair and compile gallery template package | 13:53 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6774 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): fixed: storage locations for some assets in packages not imported correctly | 13:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6775 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/TestException.pm: fix throws_deeply test exporting | 13:53 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6777 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 6 dirs): preparing for 7.5.13 release | 13:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6778 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.13-beta: Release 7.5.13-beta | 13:54 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6779 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.14 dev | 13:54 |
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| Klaus_ | Hi, on checking out the translations from the translationserver I noticed because of an svn error in the Dutch repository the following subdirectory: | 15:36 |
| Klaus_ | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUI/config.php?Language=.. | 15:36 |
| BartJol | oh | 15:37 |
| Klaus_ | does somenoe try to attack the svn server? | 15:37 |
| BartJol | I try to attack it with as many translations.... | 15:37 |
| Klaus_ | but nmot with php files ;-) | 15:37 |
| BartJol | eeeeh, no | 15:38 |
| BartJol | but that link is a dead-end | 15:40 |
| BartJol | but it does exist? | 15:40 |
| Klaus_ | should be removed, I think. I have posted an error report http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/wrong-files-in-translatin-server | 15:41 |
| BartJol | sounds like a wise thing | 15:41 |
| Klaus_ | Perhaps someone checked in php code to try to attack the server with this php file. It's very easy to erveryone to put malicious code into the translation | 15:42 |
| Klaus_ | reposotry | 15:42 |
| BartJol | eeh, then maybe it's better not to commit to svn? | 15:42 |
| BartJol | or does dat not matter | 15:43 |
| BartJol | ? | 15:43 |
| BartJol | s/dat/that/ | 15:43 |
| Klaus_ | Everone can commit to the translation server, no login nor other security is there. Be careful when checking out files and using them. | 15:44 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6780 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (Asset_Donation.pm PayDriver_ITransact.pm): update_from_translation_server | 15:50 |
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| dionak | hello, hello.. | 16:24 |
| BartJol | hi | 16:25 |
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| BartJol | I was wondering whether to extend a translation. Explanation: For the tax a city is given as an option, but here in the Netherlands tax rates are everywhere the same (we have three 0, 6 and 19%) | 16:38 |
| BartJol | so in the help for city, should I add a notification that this mainly applies to the USA? | 16:38 |
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| Trebbor | Seems like a good idea to me. | 16:47 |
| dionak | i would think it possible that city tax is applied in other countries...although i'm not sure. | 16:49 |
| dionak | in other words, i don't know of an example | 16:49 |
| BartJol | probably it is, but here we don't have it | 16:50 |
| BartJol | ok, so instead of USA: "other countries that have city tax"? | 16:53 |
| BartJol | I don't want to place the USA on a pedestal :) | 16:53 |
| BartJol | dionak, do you know whether it is an optional variable? I don't have an installation, so I can't test right now | 16:56 |
| BartJol | or preaction? | 16:56 |
| dionak | i'm not very familiar with the tax in wg | 16:59 |
| dionak | you could look at the src code online | 17:01 |
| dionak | via the svn website | 17:01 |
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| BartJol | ah, as far as I can judge it, it's optional | 17:10 |
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| @bopbop | BartJol: who is bepo? is s/he aware that there are books available to help out? | 17:31 |
| BartJol | ah, tabitha is the new PB employee? | 17:31 |
| @tabitha | Yup! | 17:31 |
| BartJol | well, maybe we should make her aware | 17:31 |
| @tabitha | Of? | 17:32 |
| BartJol | I already sent her an e-mail that she sounded a bit frustrated and should be able to relax | 17:32 |
| BartJol | oh, I meant bepo | 17:32 |
| BartJol | sorry | 17:32 |
| BartJol | maybe you also should know a coupkle of things about working for PB tabitha, but ignorance is a highly rated property in this matter :) | 17:34 |
| @tabitha | You could enlighten me. | 17:35 |
| BartJol | well, I don't have first hand experience, but if I understand correctly, capital punishment is still available in Wisconsin | 17:36 |
| @rizen | fraid not | 17:36 |
| @rizen | you'd have to go to illinois for that | 17:37 |
| @rizen | and they haven't killed anybody in 40 years | 17:37 |
| @rizen | texas is the capital punishment capital of the US | 17:37 |
| @rizen | followed by florida | 17:37 |
| BartJol | had a nice vacation? | 17:38 |
| BartJol | or did the server crash also it's effects in alaska? | 17:39 |
| BartJol | but what will tabitha be doing at pb? | 17:39 |
| @bopbop | tabitha is a designer | 17:41 |
| @bopbop | she's cute, you'll like her | 17:41 |
| BartJol | yeah? great :) | 17:41 |
| @tabitha | It's all lies. | 17:41 |
| BartJol | your not a designer and not cute? | 17:42 |
| @apeiron | Yeah, she's actually the spawn of Beelzebub. | 17:42 |
| @apeiron | (keep plenty of cows) | 17:42 |
| BartJol | darn my typing is awfull on friday afternoons | 17:42 |
| BartJol | oh MrHaigrease passed his masters thesis with an 8 out of 10 | 17:42 |
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| slickware | 3 cheers for massachusetts schools: | 17:45 |
| slickware | http://news.bostonherald.com/news/regional/general/view.bg?articleid=1101854&pos=breaking | 17:45 |
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| dionak | so we'll meet tabitha at the wuc? | 18:08 |
| dionak | and we can harass her in person? | 18:08 |
| @tabitha | Ohh yes. | 18:08 |
| dionak | excellent. | 18:09 |
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| BartJol | sounds almost as much fun as seeing JT being harassed by koen... | 18:09 |
| dionak | haha... | 18:10 |
| dionak | close but nothing would hold a candle to that | 18:10 |
| BartJol | especially don't come between those guys | 18:10 |
| dionak | yea, that's a scary thought | 18:11 |
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| @apeiron | You newbies need to register your nicks so we can give you proper chanserv op access. | 18:16 |
| BartJol | like me? | 18:16 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6781 /tools/translationserver.cgi: fixed issues with characters by using Data::Dumper to output i18n namespace files | 18:20 |
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| miloidrr | Hi i have a question about cs | 18:23 |
| dionak | just ask your question | 18:23 |
| miloidrr | How can i quit the attachment option when an user comment a post? | 18:23 |
| miloidrr | I eant to the attachment option just when i add a new post, but not for the comments | 18:24 |
| miloidrr | I want | 18:24 |
| dionak | so you don't want the attachment option when a user makes a reply but you do want it when they make a new post? | 18:25 |
| @preaction | i think there's a template variable for that | 18:26 |
| @preaction | if not, it would be a good idea to add | 18:26 |
| dionak | you might be able to just hide it with css too. | 18:27 |
| BartJol | it's not removable from the reply template? | 18:35 |
| BartJol | or am I really getting ignorant ans isn't there one? | 18:35 |
| miloidrr | Ok, tks | 18:36 |
| @preaction | there's just one template for posts to the CS | 18:36 |
| @preaction | it handles both threads and posts | 18:37 |
| @preaction | i still maintain that their site would be better-served by the Gallery than by the CS | 18:37 |
| BartJol | ah, that nice friday afternoon effect... | 18:37 |
| @preaction | if it's the same site that lisette and juan are working on | 18:37 |
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| miloidrr | ok, I have other question about cs too | 18:46 |
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| miloidrr | I have a cs, it have an user owner like a group | 18:46 |
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| miloidrr | In the configuration the option who can post is select the owner (group) | 18:48 |
| miloidrr | Only can comment the users of this group? | 18:48 |
| miloidrr | replies | 18:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6782 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: non-admin users can now add Gallery assets | 18:49 |
| @preaction | anyone who is in the Who Can Post group can add posts to the CS, yes | 18:50 |
| miloidrr | Ok, tks | 18:51 |
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| @Haarg | i sure do love character set issues | 18:59 |
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| bartjol | and you have one? | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i think the translations are somewhat messed up | 19:01 |
| bartjol | oh | 19:01 |
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| bartjol | not mine though ? | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | don't know | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | they are repairable if that's the case | 19:02 |
| bartjol | was it that config.php thing? | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | i'm working off a translation that isn't from the translation server, so i'm not certain how it was created | 19:02 |
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| bartjol | old? | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | no | 19:04 |
| @Haarg | i'm still tracking it down | 19:04 |
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| bartjol | but I have to go to MrHairgreases party, so good luck and goodbye | 19:05 |
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| @bopbop | i has ops | 19:10 |
| @preaction | Good Job, ChanServ! *high five!* | 19:11 |
| @apeiron | pfft, chanserv is an insolent helpless moron. | 19:11 |
| @bopbop | good job apeiron- he fixe me | 19:11 |
| @bopbop | fixed | 19:11 |
| @apeiron | Yes, she was broken. | 19:11 |
| @preaction | that's why you have to make it feel better. High five, ChanServ! | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | so | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | who wants to rewrite the translation server script | 19:16 |
| @preaction | Haarg, how does it need to be rewritten? | 19:22 |
| @Haarg | character set issues | 19:22 |
| @preaction | not solved by having Data::Dumper do the work of writing out the namespace files? | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | should be | 19:23 |
| @Haarg | was that changed recently? | 19:23 |
| @preaction | an hour ago maybe | 19:24 |
| @Haarg | $lang->{$tag}{message} =~ s/\|/\\\|/g; <- still some things need fixing | 19:25 |
| @preaction | yeah, probably need to use Dumper for the language definition too | 19:26 |
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| @apeiron | apeiron-- # stupeed | 19:38 |
| @bopbop | Haarg: beta demos are down- was something missed in the upgrade last night? | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | yes | 19:41 |
| @bopbop | k | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | fixed | 19:41 |
| @bopbop | cool | 19:42 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6783 /tools/translationserver.cgi: fix up usage of Data::Dumper | 20:19 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6784 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy Data now retains File and Image unless explicitly deleted | 20:39 |
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| @apeiron | no voice for khenn | 21:05 |
| @bopbop | preaction: the time tracker bug- khenn is working on it already | 21:34 |
| @preaction | okay | 21:34 |
| @khenn | yeah | 21:34 |
| @khenn | it's something to do with the checkbox form control | 21:34 |
| @preaction | it's missing. the code seems to not be generating it | 21:35 |
| @khenn | I fixed that | 21:35 |
| @khenn | it's not saving correctly | 21:36 |
| @khenn | it's always saving as checked | 21:36 |
| @khenn | whether it's checked or not | 21:36 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6785 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): fixed: Rich editor no longer makes other form controls show up as code in Safari 3 | 21:36 |
| @Haarg | is there a reason that richedit fix is on load instead of domcontentready? | 21:46 |
| @preaction | because onDOMReady caused it to fail | 21:48 |
| @preaction | in strange ways: like "tinymce" is not defined and "tinyMCE" is not defined | 21:48 |
| @preaction | but window onload works, i assume because of the scoping | 21:48 |
| @Haarg | fun | 21:49 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6786 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl): fix: ems 2.0: tickets get created as badges also | 22:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6787 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm): fixed grammatical error in i18n | 22:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6788 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/WebGUI/config.php?Language=..: removing bad file from translation | 22:02 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | preaction | 22:15 |
| @preaction | yo | 22:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | you broke the upgrades with your allowMedia uption | 22:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | option | 22:15 |
| @preaction | k | 22:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | dies at 7.5.8-7.5.9 | 22:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | Update Rich Editor buttons. | 22:15 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | the only way i can think of to fix it is to change Haarg's code in that upgrade to not use the asset api to update those properties | 22:17 |
| @preaction | likewise. my solution would be worse, since it would be legitimizing the other couple things in Asset->update that already grep the table structure to see if they should update certain properties | 22:19 |
| @BugSlasherMcGirk | i guess i thought of another way. you could update his code to add the allowMedia option, and then update your code to add it if it wasn't already added by the previous upgrade | 22:19 |
| @preaction | that might be nicer | 22:19 |
| @Haarg | i'm not a huge fan of the thing in Asset->update that checks the table structure, but i tried to clean it up a bit | 22:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6789 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): | 22:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fixed: One can now turn off inheritUrlFromParent, and the code is now more | 22:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: robust: moved from Asset->update to Asset->fixUrl. | 22:24 |
| @Haarg | hmm, the change that broke unhiding all page layout children is the same thing that broke CS post urls | 22:25 |
| @Haarg | but the way i fixed that (which isn't perfect) doesn't apply here. i'm going to have to think about some of these forms api changes. | 22:26 |
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| @BugSlasherMcGirk | forms api changes are good | 23:01 |
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| @Haarg | somewhat | 23:05 |
| @Haarg | the problem in part is that the forms api now does some of what update does, where it assumes the previous value if none was given | 23:06 |
| elnino | Hi I wanted to see if anyone's reported this bug already. | 23:07 |
| elnino | I'm trying to display one ofmy own rssfeeds using the Syndicated Content object, and I want to list the first in the feed, but it is for somereason listing one that is the 10th one down th elist. Has anyone see this before? | 23:07 |
| @Haarg | i think it sorts by date | 23:07 |
| elnino | I would hope so, but it's listing the one "10 dates ago" as opposed to the latest date. | 23:08 |
| elnino | I just created a demo and tried it there, and it's listed the 10th date. Weird, I'm surprised no one's noticed this. Could it be my rss feed? http://www.comtrol.com/comtrol-news/in-the-news/rss-feed the top one (and the only I want to see in my asset) is the "20 Leading RFID Innovators 0f 2008" instead I'm seeing "In the next war, maybe, no drivers will be needed" | 23:13 |
| elnino | s/listed/listing | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | "In the next war, maybe, no drivers will be needed" looks like it has the latest date | 23:15 |
| @Haarg | according to the rss feed that is | 23:16 |
| elnino | no, do you see "20 Leading RFID Innovators 0f 2008"? I t was just posted 2/28/2008. the "next war" was august 2008. | 23:17 |
| elnino | august 2007. typos!! | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | probably revisionDate vs dateCreated | 23:17 |
| elnino | ah. yes... She did modify that. I'll post as a bug.. I'm assuming this is a bug? | 23:18 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6790 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed issue which caused time tracker to complete on post and not allow you to make changes | 23:18 |
| @Haarg | probably, rss has different fields for date and date updated | 23:18 |
| elnino | thanks for seeing that, I forgot that she updatd that older one. | 23:19 |
| elnino | I submitted a bug thanks again for seeing that. I just assumed because it was sorted correctly in teh feed, the source would be the same. silly me. | 23:23 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6791 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Time tracker changes | 23:42 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6792 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: International text in exported packages corrupted | 00:09 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6793 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed upgrade problem caused by allowMedia rich editor addition | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | has anyone done a resetdev recently? checkboxes seem to have stopped working in the Edit Thing screen for the Thingy | 00:11 |
| elnino | hey, Haarg, I tried modifying RSSFromParent.pm: | 00:12 |
| elnino | $subvar->{pubDate} = _escapeXml($self->session->datetime->epochToMail($item->get('revisionDate'))); | 00:12 |
| elnino | $subvar->{pubDate} = _escapeXml($self->session->datetime->epochToMail($item->get('creationDate'))); | 00:12 |
| elnino | cleared cache, and retsarted apache, but the xml still produces the revision date as the pubDate. Any ideas what else I would need to change by chance? | 00:13 |
| @Haarg | not sure, i haven't looked at that code in a while | 00:14 |
| elnino | ok. Thanks. I'll keep greping. | 00:16 |
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| perlDreamer | God bless you, Haarg! | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | No more blessed warnings | 00:26 |
| @Haarg | yeah, nice for the tests output to be cleaned up a bit | 00:44 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6794 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: thingy now has appropriate values for all field types | 01:02 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6795 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Checkbox.pm: reverting back to the way frank had it, even though it seems to break some things, since I do not know why the change was made | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop(kristi) was going to double check some issues with me in the PB shop today, but I got help up in a meeting. | 01:09 |
| perlDreamer | Any of y'all willing to peek around for me? | 01:09 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6796 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 01:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add tests to check how getThumbnailUrl is supposed to work in the Product. | 01:30 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Then fix the bugs I added to it yesterday. | 01:30 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer! you are in big trouble mister! | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | what's up? | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | What did you catch me doing? | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | And have you found it all yet? | 02:29 |
| @tavisto | nothing, I just wanted to kill someone for this stupid e-commerce issue still being... well... an issue | 02:30 |
| @tavisto | now the "cant instantiate template" error is gone but I can't get products to actually be purchased... I'm sad | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | Why not? | 02:30 |
| @tavisto | it just loops back to the product when you click add to cart | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | What's happening? | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | that's what it is supposed to do | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | if you want to actually check out, you have to go to the cart | 02:31 |
| perlDreamer | which means that you need one of the new cart macros somewhere | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | when you add something shouldn't it take you to the checkout screen? | 02:31 |
| perlDreamer | to give you a link | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | automatically? | 02:31 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think so. | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | this returns you to the actual product and not even the page where it's located | 02:31 |
| perlDreamer | What does BugSlasherMcGirk say? | 02:31 |
| @tavisto | there is no way that's by design | 02:31 |
| perlDreamer | maybe we should look in the design docs... | 02:32 |
| miloidrr1 | hI i NEED YOUR HELP | 02:32 |
| @tavisto | I can fill out the bug report as long as I know this is a bug and me not understanding something | 02:32 |
| miloidrr1 | In a cs, i want that the replyes don't has the attachment options | 02:32 |
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| perlDreamer | miloidrr: I'm pretty sure there is an Edit Post template in the CS. Try looking at it. | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | By the way, this is a test :) | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | You will be judged for how many hints you need, and the speed at which you figure it out | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | Your test begins... | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | NOW! | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | and what happened to the commerce branch? | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto: It could definitely be something that I missed, but only rizen knows the answer. | 02:35 |
| perlDreamer | Find him, put him in a wickedly clever choke hold, and make him give you an answer before the Norsican impales you. | 02:36 |
| miloidrr1 | Commerce Branch?Ok let me test | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | miloidrr, that particular message was for tavisto. The commerce branch won't help you find the Edit Post templates in the CS. | 02:37 |
| miloidrr1 | =) | 02:38 |
| miloidrr1 | I know this | 02:38 |
| miloidrr1 | :) | 02:39 |
| perlDreamer | gotta scoot, post back with your answer and I'll check the backlogs | 02:44 |
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| perlDreamer | phew | 10:06 |
| perlDreamer | Today was a strong case for considering !fedora | 10:06 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:02 |
| +MasterHairgrease | Greasings! | 16:08 |
| SDuensin | Master now? Nice. :-P | 16:11 |
| +MasterHairgrease | almost | 16:16 |
| +MasterHairgrease | still have to do one course in august | 16:16 |
| +MasterHairgrease | but i consider that an implentation detail =) | 16:17 |
| +MasterHairgrease | the whole graduation thing is done anyway | 16:17 |
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| Charley | Hi! I'm trying to get the event calendar to send the content managers an email when someone places a post. I have my security set on "commit with changes", but the content managers aren't receiving the emails. | 17:46 |
| Charley | any thoughts? | 17:46 |
| @bopbop | You've looked at the workflow to make sure that's the group assigned there? | 17:51 |
| Charley | I'm looking at the "edit workflow" under "commit with approval". How do I know? the description is this: This workflow commits all the assets in this version tag after getting approval from content managers. | 17:56 |
| Charley | ah. I have "Request Approval For Version Tag" beneath it. and in that the "group to approve" is content managers. | 17:57 |
| @bopbop | If that is set to content managers then it should be working... | 17:59 |
| @bopbop | I'll set the guys who know more about the "guts" of WebGUI take a stab | 17:59 |
| @bopbop | set>let | 18:00 |
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| Charley | ah. thanks! I would really appreciate it. | 18:07 |
| @bopbop | Charley: I just tried this on a demo site, and it worked exactly as it should | 18:08 |
| Charley | can you log into my site and take a look? | 18:08 |
| @bopbop | well, I can't- did you request a log in from PB support? | 18:09 |
| Charley | yes. but nothing yet. | 18:09 |
| @bopbop | ok, I think you'll hear from Haarg soon | 18:09 |
| Charley | i have a meeting with my customer this afternoon. | 18:09 |
| Charley | and i really need to have this resolved. | 18:09 |
| @bopbop | understandable | 18:10 |
| Charley | thanks | 18:10 |
| @bopbop | double check in the security tab that the group to add events is set to content managers | 18:10 |
| @bopbop | wait- who is adding events? | 18:10 |
| @bopbop | and who is approving events? | 18:10 |
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| @bopbop | charley: if the group to add events and the group to approve events is the same, that might be the problem | 18:12 |
| @bopbop | I have my calendar set for admins to approve; as an admin, any event I add does not need to be approved by me | 18:12 |
| @bopbop | however, anyone in a "lower group", like a content manager, does need approval | 18:13 |
| Charley | i have content managers set for both. I will set the group to approve to admin. | 18:16 |
| Charley | I want the general public to have the ability to post and event, but it must be looked at and approved by a content manager or admin before it is posted. | 18:17 |
| @bopbop | Ok, then the group to post should be Everyone | 18:17 |
| @bopbop | and then you can set approval workflow to content managers | 18:17 |
| @bopbop | so, group to approve: content managers | 18:18 |
| @bopbop | the problem you had is the same group was assigned to both | 18:18 |
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| snapcount | WebGUI's API makes me happy inside | 18:19 |
| Charley | that's how I had it before. i'll try it again. | 18:22 |
| @bopbop | ok | 18:22 |
| @bopbop | once you do it, log out and try to post as a visitor/general public | 18:22 |
| @bopbop | Charley: I just tried it with my group to add events set to Everyone, and the group to approve events set to Admins and it worked | 18:25 |
| @bopbop | make sure your version tags are committed | 18:25 |
| Charley | ok. I set my group to everyone, and the group to approve in workflow to content manager. i logged out and added an event. I am waiting to see if i get an email. | 18:30 |
| @bopbop | ok- you can check your Inbox in the WebGUI Admin Console too | 18:30 |
| @bopbop | if you don't want to wait | 18:30 |
| Charley | the most recent one in my WebGUI Inbox states: Your version tag was approved. | 18:34 |
| Charley | 6/23/2008 9:26 am - Admin | 18:34 |
| Charley | I assume that's one I put in as a test and deleted. when i click on the url it goes to my trash. | 18:34 |
| @bopbop | yep | 18:34 |
| @bopbop | what's the URL- can I try adding an event as a site visitor? | 18:35 |
| Charley | so, i've still gotten nothing. i get the emails when I commit an event, just not one when I post an event, telling me that there is an event to be approved. | 18:35 |
| @bopbop | when you commit an event? | 18:35 |
| Charley | http://www.goeldorado.com/root/good-times/calendar-of-events4 | 18:35 |
| Charley | sure. you can log in as an admin if you think you can help me. I appreciate your help, by the way. | 18:36 |
| @bopbop | I just submitted an event | 18:36 |
| @bopbop | named Test Event | 18:36 |
| @bopbop | it is not displaying on my view of the calendar | 18:37 |
| Charley | so, i should receive an email telling me that there is an event to be approved, right? | 18:37 |
| @bopbop | yes | 18:37 |
| Charley | nothing yet. | 18:39 |
| @bopbop | hmmm | 18:39 |
| Charley | not in WebGUI inbox, either | 18:39 |
| @bopbop | can you become a user in your system who is part of the content manager group and take a peek at the inbox? You should be getting it, but just in case... | 18:39 |
| Charley | sure. | 18:40 |
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| perlDreamer | MasterHairgrease! You big engineering stud! | 18:42 |
| +MasterHairgrease | hey pd | 18:42 |
| perlDreamer | Congratulations | 18:42 |
| +MasterHairgrease | thanks! | 18:42 |
| perlDreamer | Are you taking it easy for a while, or hitting the job boards hard? | 18:43 |
| +MasterHairgrease | well | 18:43 |
| +MasterHairgrease | right now i'm working on my wuc presentation | 18:43 |
| +MasterHairgrease | will work for the next two weeks at oqapi | 18:43 |
| Charley | bopbop, she's got nothing in her WebGUI inbox from today. | 18:43 |
| +MasterHairgrease | and then go on vacation | 18:43 |
| @bopbop | ok, then I'm stumped, because on my training site it's working as it should- try to contact PB support again to see if you can expedite the log in request | 18:44 |
| Charley | how does one politely try to expedite the log in request? | 18:44 |
| @bopbop | :) just reiterate that you have a client meeting and that it's time sensitive, and that you would be greatly appreciative of assistance | 18:45 |
| perlDreamer | Charley++ | 18:45 |
| perlDreamer | Blessed are those who respect their support staff in stressful situations, for they will be blessed with incredible service. | 18:45 |
| Charley | thank you | 18:49 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6801 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: User List- Missing Hover Help | 19:38 |
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| @apeiron | ++ to whoever wrote resetdev to use Path::Class. | 21:01 |
| perlDreamer | svn blame? | 21:02 |
| @preaction | graham most likely | 21:02 |
| @apeiron | Haarg++ # Path::Class is love | 21:03 |
| @Haarg | i didn't do anything with resetdev, i have a different script that does a bunch of fancy stuff. | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | anyone here have a windows computer with a working IE6 that I can ask a favor? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | right now i don't trust the IE6 i have, since someone else's IE6 is giving a different answer | 22:11 |
| @Haarg | i should be able to help | 22:24 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/cu97t1zy_iztt2bhnwtl7a/3#f5sWEtLOTCw8jd1MBSROJw <- try to post a reply to this | 22:29 |
| @preaction | if you can, then i'm right. if you can't, then the fix for that bug is causing problems in IE6 | 22:30 |
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| @preaction | looks like the other person can't reproduce now, so i guess no worries | 22:41 |
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| lisette | where I can find a tutorial programming templates? | 23:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | lisette: http://search.cpan.org/~viy/HTML-Template-Pro-0.70/lib/HTML/Template/SYNTAX.pod | 23:14 |
| lisette | thanks | 23:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that is for HTML::Template, which is the default in WG | 23:16 |
| WebGUI | Hi there :) | 23:17 |
| WebGUI | Long time no visit | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want a tutorial for template toolkit check template-toolkit.org | 23:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey koen! | 23:17 |
| WebGUI | how do you? | 23:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | how do i do what? | 23:18 |
| WebGUI | you do you do? | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 23:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | good | 23:19 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, what macro has to be used with a product right now? | 00:27 |
| @tavisto | I haven't talked to JT yet but I do know that when I currently hit "add to cart" on a product in the new e-commerce, that it just returns me immediately to viewing the product asset. (and not even the page it was on) | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | _has_ to be used? None. But it you want a link to the cart, then ViewCart | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, default behavior on almost every asset when you call an action on it is to do that. | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | Few of them redisplay the parent/container | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | Think CS | 00:29 |
| @tavisto | yeah, but what's the point of that? | 00:29 |
| @tavisto | there's no confirmation that you've added anything | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | That's why there's a "thank you message" for the Product. | 00:29 |
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| @tavisto | yeah, sounds good although I haven't got that to come up yet | 00:30 |
| @tavisto | let me try something | 00:30 |
| @bopbop | and if there isn't a View Cart link, how would you ever get to it? | 00:30 |
| @bopbop | hence, you _need_ a macro | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | well, it could be put on a Shelf, or a Layout. | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | If you put it in the Product, and have multiple products on a page, then you'll have lots of ViewCart links | 00:31 |
| @bopbop | that's another thing, where is Shelf? | 00:31 |
| @bopbop | right- one macro on a page would work | 00:31 |
| perlDreamer | It's up above, in the container section with Folder | 00:31 |
| perlDreamer | in the Admin Bar | 00:31 |
| @tavisto | the thank you message isn't displaying | 00:31 |
| @tavisto | it does show up on donation though | 00:32 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, check your template | 00:32 |
| @bopbop | ok, I see it | 00:32 |
| @tavisto | uh.. this is fresh beta.webgui.org so I'll report the bug :) | 00:32 |
| @tavisto | unless that isn't set to display by default | 00:32 |
| perlDreamer | I'd check the template | 00:33 |
| @tavisto | this new e-commerce system makes me feel like an idiot | 00:36 |
| perlDreamer | I hear ya. How do you think we feel about all the bugs that have been found in it? | 00:37 |
| @tavisto | well atleast Kristi and I aren't alone in our confusion... but wow I didn't expect it to be this cloudy | 00:39 |
| @preaction | if kristi and tavis are confused, and they're WebGUI Power Users, then we should probably do what they say :p | 00:40 |
| @tavisto | well we're trying to figure out what are bugs and what is a change in functionality :) | 00:40 |
| @preaction | imho the ^ViewCart macro should probably be put right after the "Add to Cart" link in the default Product template | 00:41 |
| @preaction | or somewhere in some default template | 00:41 |
| @preaction | just to say "Here it is! You can keep it here or move it, but here it is!" | 00:42 |
| @tavisto | that is one of my suggestions yes | 00:42 |
| @preaction | alternatively, you could add the view cart link to the list of available template variables, then the help files would have it and you could say "Or you could use the ^ViewCart()" macro | 00:44 |
| @bopbop | hehe- I emailed JT expressing my Shop woes- his response was just the ViewCart macro... that's it | 00:45 |
| @bopbop | no explanation, nothing else, just the macro | 00:45 |
| @preaction | does the view cart macro show anything if the user does not have a cart? | 00:46 |
| @preaction | IE, no items in their cart | 00:46 |
| @bopbop | it still shows the cart link w/ the icon | 00:47 |
| @preaction | if so, we could add it to the default style_03 :p | 00:47 |
| @bopbop | I just added it to my page | 00:47 |
| @bopbop | oh, wait, nm- I guess I had some items in my cart:) | 00:47 |
| @bopbop | silly me, didn | 00:47 |
| @bopbop | didn't know I had done any shopping | 00:47 |
| @tavisto | is there an "add to cart" variable then or something | 00:47 |
| @tavisto | for instance, in the shelf it shows the products but there aren't any "add to cart" links in the gray boxes | 00:48 |
| @bopbop | I guess you would have to add the macro in the Shelf asset as well | 00:49 |
| @bopbop | oh, wait... you have to go to the Product asset itself to add to cart | 00:49 |
| @preaction | but an add link in the Shelf might be a good RFE | 00:49 |
| @tavisto | well if you click on it you go to the product asset, but it seems like the link should be there | 00:50 |
| @bopbop | it does | 00:50 |
| @tavisto | it also seems like we should have a generic macro or something that allows you to generate an individual "Add to Cart" button for a particular item | 00:50 |
| @tavisto | then, people could pop those in articles, or anywhere in the site | 00:50 |
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| miloidrr | Hi, how can i quit the attachment option in a cs when an user going to comment a post | 00:51 |
| @bopbop | set the attachments to post field to 0 in the collab systems properties tab | 00:52 |
| miloidrr | I testing in a template but, it don work | 00:52 |
| @preaction | but s/he wants to allow attachments to a thread and deny them for the post | 00:52 |
| @bopbop | oooh | 00:52 |
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| miloidrr | Yes | 00:54 |
| miloidrr | Exactly | 00:55 |
| miloidrr | How can i do this | 00:56 |
| @preaction | my best idea is the one you have already been trying | 00:56 |
| miloidrr | I want that when an user add a new thread the cs show it the attachment option, but when an user comment this thread, the cs don't show the attachment option | 00:59 |
| perlDreamer | miloidrr, here's some clues: | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | There are template variables called isReply and isThread | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | they say if the current post is a Reply or a new Thread | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | There is also a template variable called attachment.form | 01:01 |
| perlDreamer | which provides the form to the user for adding attachments | 01:01 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6802 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Macro_MiniCart.pm i18n/English/Macro_MiniCart.pm): add missing template variable help for the MiniCart macro | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: I found a wiki entry for Shop macros | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | it lists all three of them | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | but we probably need a Shop "super page" which lists all interesting topics on it | 01:07 |
| perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/shopping-cart-macros | 01:08 |
| snapcount | shop.wiki.webgui.org | 01:08 |
| snapcount | oh yeah | 01:08 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki?func=byKeyword;keyword=shop <- like this? | 01:10 |
| perlDreamer | community-wiki/shop | 01:10 |
| perlDreamer | 1 stop shop'ping | 01:10 |
| perlDreamer | of course, URLs like that are kind of hard right now... | 01:10 |
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| miloidrr | PerlDreamer, <tmpl_if isNewThread>, with this variable i can control just that the responser users don't uploads a file, but when the owner try to edit the thread he can't see the attachment option again | 01:43 |
| miloidrr | How can i do it that? | 01:43 |
| perlDreamer | You need to find a different template variable. If you edit a thread, it isn't new anymore. | 01:44 |
| perlDreamer | You can see the list of all Post template variables in the Admin Console | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | Turn on Admin | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | Hit Help | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | find the Post Edit template variable page | 01:45 |
| perlDreamer | and browse | 01:45 |
| miloidrr | PErlDreamer Tks i found a variable to this | 01:54 |
| miloidrr | And IT work's | 01:54 |
| perlDreamer | awesome | 01:56 |
| perlDreamer | which one did you find? | 01:56 |
| miloidrr | the variable <tmpl_if isThread> | 01:58 |
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| elnino | hi all! | 02:05 |
| perlDreamer | hello, elnino | 02:06 |
| elnino | I created an rfe today, and wondering what the chances are for it. Or perhaps, it's already implementd in newer versions. My people want to be able to hide archived threads from the general public. So I suspect There would be a "viewable" setting that would have to be implemented. But if chances aren't good, is there a sneaky way I can do this via templates? | 02:07 |
| elnino | hi. perldreamer. I'm thinking I'm not going to be going to WUC.. =( | 02:07 |
| elnino | or was that preaction I was talking with about that. | 02:08 |
| elnino | don't mean to confuse the two of you. don't take offense. =) | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | most likely pd | 02:08 |
| perlDreamer | no offense taken | 02:08 |
| perlDreamer | that's too bad about the WUC | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | about the rfe... | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | is it a problem if they show up in search, but can't be viewed? | 02:13 |
| @preaction | isn't there already a setting for "Search Archived Threads"? | 02:13 |
| @preaction | also, i think we should add a "Search Archived" in the WebGUI Search asset | 02:13 |
| elnino | they don't like the fact that they show up in the search. | 02:13 |
| perlDreamer | threads are originally viewable to the general public, but that changes after archive? | 02:14 |
| elnino | well, we don't use webgui's search, we use googles. and the archived pages are still accessible, so they would literally need to be different view permissions. | 02:14 |
| @preaction | could add something to the ArchiveOldCSThreads workflow to allow it to change the view settings on the threads... | 02:16 |
| @preaction | but honestly, this may not cover the "overall usefulness" clause that RFEs must pass to get into the core | 02:16 |
| elnino | ah. good idea about the workflow. That may work, except, the versin tag would have to be committed, can I do that too in a work flow? | 02:17 |
| elnino | The reason for my request, is we using the CS for job postings, so I think it would be good for others too (in that case), but I didn't explain that in my RFE. So I'll do that. | 02:19 |
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| @preaction | the existing ArchiveOldCSThreads doesn't do versioning iirc, it just updates the status to "archived" | 02:19 |
| elnino | opps. I 'm sorry, I got a head of my self. Threads don't have a view setting yet. Or at least in my version. Was it added already? | 02:21 |
| @preaction | no. they have a groupIdView though, all assets do | 02:22 |
| @preaction | alternatively, you could make a new Thread asset (subclass of Post or Thread) that would refuse to display itself if status == "archived" | 02:23 |
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| elnino | groupIDView... that's at the CS level, not at the thread level, right? | 02:36 |
| @preaction | all assets have a groupIdView | 02:36 |
| @preaction | whether or not they all listen to it is a different matter | 02:36 |
| elnino | oh.... because I couldn't for the life of me figure out where to set that setting. When in asset manageer, and you edit a thread, you only get the "post thread submission" form. | 02:37 |
| @preaction | just because it doesn't display the setting doesn't mean you can't set it and have it listen to it | 02:38 |
| @preaction | threads and posts are that exception, last i knew | 02:38 |
| @preaction | most things if you can't see groupIdView, it doesn't care what it gets set to | 02:38 |
| elnino | if I make a new thread asset, would all CS wobject use that? or could I distinquish which CS system use the two different thread assets? | 02:38 |
| @preaction | you would change the ?func=add;class=WebGUI::Asset::Post::Thread to use your new class name | 02:39 |
| @preaction | you would also then go into the database and change the existing threads to use the new class | 02:39 |
| @preaction | you'd have to write that ?func=add link manually of course | 02:39 |
| elnino | hmmm. ok. that's enough to think about. Thanks! | 02:41 |
| elnino | Have a good evening all! | 02:41 |
| perlDreamer | later, elnino | 02:41 |
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| metanil | "assetUiLevel" : { "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient" : 7 <--- 7 is UIlevel?? | 04:16 |
| @preaction | metanil, yes. to see that asset in the New Content pane, you must have a ui level of 7 or higher | 04:27 |
| metanil | preaction i tried using level 0 .. but users with 0 uilevel still cannot sees it. | 04:32 |
| @preaction | i don't know then | 04:32 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.alistapart.com/articles/fauxabsolutepositioning - could be useful for anyone trying to build a new webgui template | 05:04 |
| @tabb | Nice article! | 05:16 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6803 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (4 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Added a workflow to periodically check Flux Rules automatically | 09:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6804 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (11 files in 4 dirs): | 11:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: Added the following new Flux Operand modules (with tests): | 11:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: UserProfileField | 11:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Group | 11:03 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: TruthValue | 11:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:42 |
| BartJol | afternoon | 15:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 15:43 |
| SDuensin | Hey, how do I get an RSS feed to update immediately? I publish my forums in RSS so I can then consume the feed on my home page to display a "recent posts" list. I want that list to be current all the time. | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly change the timing of the workflow that does that? | 15:45 |
| SDuensin | I poked around and didn't see anything. | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's in Hourly Maintenance Tasks | 15:47 |
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| SDuensin | So make a new workflow and move it? | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | uhm | 15:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 15:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean the RSS that you throw aout | 15:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess that should update automatically | 15:49 |
| SDuensin | Well, I throw it out and then consume it again. Not sure where the hangup is. | 15:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are using the rss feed of the createRSSFromParent assets right? | 15:50 |
| SDuensin | yea | 15:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the problem is? | 15:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't get the feed at all? | 15:51 |
| SDuensin | A user posts in the forums and then returns to the front page and their post isn't listed as a "recent post". | 15:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay | 15:51 |
| SDuensin | It's there, it just takes a long time to update. | 15:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | and how do you publish it on your hoempage? | 15:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | with a syndicated content asset? | 15:51 |
| SDuensin | Yea | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case you should add a new workflow | 15:52 |
| SDuensin | I changed the syndicated content cache to 1 minute. No change. | 15:52 |
| SDuensin | ok | 15:52 |
| SDuensin | I can do that. :-) Thanks! | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | with the Get syndicated content activity | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | then create a scheduler for that workflow | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | and set it to every minute or so | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | or every five | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | you might wanna use this instead though: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/assets/asset-report#-e02k9NHsZ2S6VBGVixBCA | 15:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | or even better (prolly): http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/macros/recentposts#NWAoKIswlvVtemvGFS1kig | 15:55 |
| SDuensin | Ah, spiffy. Although every time I use a non-PlainBlack component, it ends up breaking on upgrade! | 15:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | even with macros? | 15:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | the latter is a macro | 15:56 |
| SDuensin | Yea, reading that now. | 15:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 15:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | that only seems to allow Threads though | 15:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it should use getLineage differently | 15:58 |
| SDuensin | I'll just run what I have every 5 minutes. | 15:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | god luck | 15:58 |
| SDuensin | You say that kind of ominously. :-) | 15:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | All my typos are of devine nature | 16:00 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:00 |
| SDuensin | This WebGUI stuff is kinda cool. :-P | 16:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | So they say | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | Know of anyone running it on Amazon's EC2? | 16:03 |
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| @bopbop | Are there any macros, besides ^ViewCart; and ^MiniCart; ,that I should document in relationship to Shop? Or are those the only new ones related to Shop? | 18:24 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: yung * r6805 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt etc/WebGUI.conf.original): fixed: UserList wobject not in new content menu | 18:56 |
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| perlDreamer | bopbop: there's also CartItemCount | 19:32 |
| @bopbop | perl | 19:35 |
| @bopbop | perlDreamer: thanks | 19:35 |
| @preaction | do URL handlers get to match against the query string? or just the URL itself? | 19:39 |
| perlDreamer | You could do anything, right? | 19:39 |
| @apeiron | preaction, tias? :) | 19:41 |
| @preaction | i'm reading the code, and it looks like REQUEST_URI only | 19:42 |
| @preaction | which makes sense really, since changing from GET to POST would destroy your handler | 19:42 |
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| @bopbop | What do you use the Products screen for (as accessed through Shop in the Admin Console). I see you can import/export Products, and I thought maybe it was to export wgpkg files to import into another WebGUI Shop, but I'm having a little trouble figuring it out. I tried to create a package of a Product asset and export it, but when I tried to import the wgpkg file through the Products screen it didn't work. What am I missing? | 20:19 |
| perlDreamer | The Products screen is for exporting ALL products on the site in a CSV format suitable for using with your real world inventory control system. | 20:20 |
| perlDreamer | The import screen is for the opposite of that, except on import if it finds a product, it will update it from the CSV file (quantity, price, title) and so on. | 20:21 |
| perlDreamer | It will not delete products. | 20:21 |
| perlDreamer | bopbop: You should have JT send you the design docs for the Shop, because a lot of that is spelled out in there. | 20:21 |
| @bopbop | ok | 20:22 |
| @bopbop | thanks | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | but feel free to keep asking questions in either case :) | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | What the perl framework across the street is doing: http://jjnapiorkowski.vox.com/library/post/catamoose.html | 20:24 |
| perlDreamer | basically, Catalyst + Moose | 20:25 |
| * apeiron drools. | 20:33 | |
| perlDreamer | My sons used to drool when we fed them rice cereal. | 20:33 |
| * perlDreamer hopes that your tastes run higher :) | 20:33 | |
| @tavisto | bopbop, when you get those design docs, can you pass them along to me plz? :) | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | just a warning, most of the design docs describe an application programming interface. | 20:41 |
| @bopbop | tavisto: sure | 20:42 |
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| @tavisto | is there a way to bypass having the user select/enter a shipping address? | 20:54 |
| @tavisto | for goods that aren't shipped? | 20:55 |
| @tavisto | I played around with this and it seems that even if a product has a weight of 0 you still need to select a shipping address before you can checkout | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | No way that I know of, tavisto. | 21:00 |
| @tavisto | okay so RFE | 21:00 |
| perlDreamer | tavisto, does shipping address determine taxes? If so, then it would be mandatory. | 21:01 |
| @tavisto | if this is an electronic good, do taxes apply? | 21:02 |
| perlDreamer | Yes. State sales and use taxes tend to cover everything. | 21:02 |
| @tavisto | yeah but those aren't normally calculated into online transactions for e-goods | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | Even in Oregon, Montana and Delaware. | 21:03 |
| @tavisto | ie. when you order wuc registration online you don't pay tax | 21:03 |
| @tavisto | I thought it was the responsibility of those who are doing the orders | 21:04 |
| @tavisto | or who are buying things online.. to report | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | It can be either party. If the merch doesn't, then the end user should. | 21:04 |
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| lisette | webgui is compatible with openid? | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | not yet | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | a few people are working on it | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | but it's been quiet for a long time | 22:46 |
| perlDreamer | you might check the Get Add Ons area on the webgui.org website to double check | 22:46 |
| lisette | ok | 22:47 |
| @preaction | danny_mk was in here a week or so ago to see about OpenID 2.0, but otherwise i dunno what's going on there | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | cap10morgan: Can you give us an OpenId status update? | 22:53 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: last I heard we were still waiting on an updated library upstream | 22:54 |
| cap10morgan | i think danny_mk was monitoring that | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | cool, thanks cap10morgan! | 22:54 |
| cap10morgan | yep, let me know if you don't find anything out or it seems like that's not a blocker anymore | 22:55 |
| cap10morgan | we should get it moving again once that's the case | 22:55 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: I think we might have a release flow problem. | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/permission-denied-when-editing-shelf-template | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | is caused by the shelf being locked | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | isLockedBy=3 | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | it's not in the packages that were used to import it during the 7.5.11 upgrade | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | i'll try to look at that tomorrow, it's most likely my fault | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll try to get some more legwork done, and pinpoint where it entered | 22:58 |
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| @Haarg | if it's just in create.sql, then it's my problem | 22:59 |
| perlDreamer | I know. I just meant in which version it came in. | 23:00 |
| perlDreamer | how do you do a SQL select with NULL? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | column IS NULL | 23:08 |
| perlDreamer | so also, columns IS NOT NULL ? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:08 |
| @preaction | otherwise it's... rather crazy how it turns out | 23:08 |
| perlDreamer | so I'm gathering from the MySQL reference | 23:09 |
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| jua1 | can i create a rss feed per user? | 23:26 |
| perlDreamer | what do you want to create the feed from? a CS? | 23:26 |
| jua1 | the purpose is that each user can have his/her own rss and can have information for another sites | 23:27 |
| perlDreamer | Well, if the user wants content from another site on their own WebGUI page, you could make a Syndicated Content asset per user. | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | But if you want content from WebGUI onto another site by user, then that's a much different story. | 23:28 |
| @preaction | creating RSS is rather easy though, theoretically you could make a single SQLReport that would server all users | 23:28 |
| @preaction | in fact, there's a talk i'm doing at the WUC about it | 23:29 |
| perlDreamer | Extreme Syndication | 23:30 |
| jua1 | with the SQL report the users can enter the external feeds that they want | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | jua1: that would be for making feeds available from WebGUI content. If the user wants feeds from other websites inside WebGUI, then you would use a Syndicated Content asset. | 23:32 |
| jua1 | but the users will have to edit the asset to add the urls | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 23:34 |
| jua1 | I am going to try | 23:35 |
| jua1 | thanks | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | http://flickr.com/photos/petdance/2588082759/in/set-72157605674987673/ <- this is Tavis, right? | 00:03 |
| @apeiron | Yep. | 00:04 |
| @preaction | tavis likes Dots... something i'd never have guessed | 00:05 |
| @preaction | can't find anyone else of interest | 00:06 |
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| @apeiron | Frank hid pretty well, and I don't think I'm photogenic enough to be in any photos. | 00:16 |
| @apeiron | There are probably some of JT though. | 00:16 |
| @preaction | not from what it looks like in alester's stream | 00:19 |
| perlDreamer | so how about a apeiron-ific YAPC report? | 00:19 |
| @apeiron | Still processing. | 00:19 |
| perlDreamer | should we quit our day jobs and start hacking on Perl6? | 00:20 |
| @apeiron | If you can get funded, sure. | 00:20 |
| perlDreamer | Or give up on wG and begin working on Maypole? | 00:20 |
| @preaction | WebFUI! | 00:20 |
| @apeiron | haha, maypole | 00:20 |
| @apeiron | Maypole died. | 00:20 |
| perlDreamer | so basically it's CGI::Application and Catalyst now? | 00:21 |
| @apeiron | (largely because Simon Cozens went to seminary) | 00:21 |
| perlDreamer | religious people. They're always mucking up free software projects | 00:22 |
| @apeiron | Not always. | 00:22 |
| perlDreamer | I was speaking personally ;) | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | As an ex-church webmaster and frequent WebGUI bug-inserter, that is | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | I need to step out for a bit and go buy Kathy a birthday card. Be back later. | 00:30 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6806 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm: PayDriver had the wrong template namespace and assetId | 01:35 |
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| metanil | case I "assetUiLevel" : {"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient" : 0 } <-->if a user have uilevel 0, then he can't see it. CASE II: "assetUiLevel" : {"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient" : 1 } <--> If a user have uilevel 1, then he can see it. Is this normal? | 02:26 |
| metanil | CASE III: {"WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient" : 0 } <-->if a user have uilevel 1, then he can't see it. | 02:27 |
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| metanil | preaction: we discussed that we must have a ui level of 7 or higher to see that asset for setting assetUiLevel" : { "WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::WSClient" : 7 } | 03:13 |
| metanil | preaction: i mentioned that .. that didn't worked for me if i set the assetUilevel to 0. | 03:14 |
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| patspam | (new default menus)++ | 05:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6811 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.40-stable: Release 7.4.40-stable | 06:05 |
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| sanyock3 | Hi All, please let me know, is there an asset which could help to build a link directory like "yellow pages" or like a simplified version of http://www.phplinkdirectory.com | 13:41 |
| sanyock3 | I would like to share a list of my browser links on my site, preferrably they would be exported automatically (with a few filters) to the WebGUI database | 13:42 |
| sanyock3 | It should support any number of folders/subfolders (not just a single HTML page with links) | 13:43 |
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| BartJol | sanyock3 sorry didn't quite understand | 14:24 |
| BartJol | you want something that collects the links of your site? | 14:24 |
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| sanyock3 | BartJol, I am mainly looking for a presentation layer | 14:44 |
| sanyock3 | Like: http://www.google.com/dirhp | 14:44 |
| sanyock3 | I can make a vb.net program which will export my opera bookmarks directly to the database | 14:45 |
| sanyock3 | Preferably that LD (link directory) script should be executed from a WebGUI rendering part of the code | 14:46 |
| sanyock3 | or being a native WebGUI asset | 14:47 |
| BartJol | I'm not sure whether this exists already | 14:47 |
| sanyock3 | btw, did someone try to integrate existing php scripts into WebGUI? There is a php addon, is it only for simple evals or more complex pages can be integrated? | 14:48 |
| BartJol | you might try to build an object which has the values you want as variables, so you can make your own template | 14:48 |
| sanyock3 | There are several free php scripts like: | 14:48 |
| sanyock3 | http://www.freedirectoryscript.com/directory/_admin/ | 14:48 |
| sanyock3 | http://www.dataspheric.com/services/software/ls/ | 14:48 |
| sanyock3 | http://yald.eotz.com/features.php | 14:48 |
| BartJol | dunno, dapperedod1, do you know whether you can integrate php scripts? | 14:49 |
| dapperedod1 | I never try te work with php when perl is there to help you out | 14:50 |
| dapperedod1 | maybe a nice solution will be using SOAP or just ALAX and xml | 14:50 |
| dapperedod1 | there is a nice webservice client in WebGUI | 14:51 |
| sanyock3 | sourceforge've given me a ten of php LDs, but no perl | 14:51 |
| dapperedod1 | or your php script can dump the links in a database and subtract them with a SQLReport | 14:52 |
| sanyock3 | Sure all of them use database, but I was looking for a presentation layer (may be a reachier than SQLReport based) | 14:53 |
| sanyock3 | To avoid work of building custom | 14:54 |
| sanyock3 | more rich (not reachier) | 14:55 |
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| sanyock3 | Most likely for me the most easy way would be writing custom rendering in asp.net as a SOAP webservice and then consume and print it from WebGUI | 15:00 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6812 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (5 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Assets can now have canView/canEdit delegated to Flux, both in UI and in wG core (proof-of-concept). | 15:01 |
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| sanyock3 | but I am not sure how to forward so many SEO friendly urls to the same WebGUI asset in such case (without creating WebGUI shortcuts for each hyperlink) | 15:05 |
| Radix_ | use the proxy rewrites to do it | 15:17 |
| Radix_ | in the mod_proxy | 15:17 |
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| Radix_ | I have a separate apache instance/mod_php for php stuff running on another port.. and just forward anything php to that using the wre's mod_proxy | 15:18 |
| sanyock3 | Radix, thanks for info, I will try it | 15:20 |
| SDuensin | Morning all. | 16:00 |
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| BartJol | my admin colleague want to know how it is checked whether the files in the cache are valid, so when the cache is not consistend with the application outcome | 16:55 |
| BartJol | does anyone know | 16:56 |
| BartJol | ? | 16:56 |
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| juan | i need some help in adding a calendar by console | 19:14 |
| juan | i am checking the api and i am using some methods to create it | 19:14 |
| perlDreamer | juan, check out the code in t/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.t | 19:28 |
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| slickwar1 | argh... how do I delete a package that I've created if I don't want it? | 19:29 |
| perlDreamer | You don't want it to be a package anymore? | 19:29 |
| juan | yes, I am checking there | 19:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6813 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: Update the test to match the template changes in PayDriver's definition sub. | 19:35 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6814 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/Control.pm: fix a typo in the POD for Form/Control.pm | 19:35 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6815 /translations/Russian/ (9 files in 2 dirs): update_from_translation_server | 19:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, bopbop | 19:50 |
| @bopbop | good morning perlDreamer | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | bopbop: re your no Add To Cart button bug, the template variables for the out of stock message are not in the default template. I'll fix that. | 20:00 |
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| slickwar1 | sorry, stepped out. | 20:14 |
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| slickwar1 | no, I made a package to test something at the direction of someone here - I don't need/want it anymore... and can't figure out how to delete it. | 20:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Find the asset at the top of the package, edit it, and deselect the Make Package radio button in the MetaData tab. | 20:15 |
| slickwar1 | ah | 20:15 |
| slickwar1 | seems like it would be easier/more intuitive to just add a delete-X next to it in the package manager... but that's me being lazy :) | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | well it's not really delete, it's unset. But I get your point. | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Please feel free to post that as an RFE. | 20:17 |
| slickwar1 | k | 20:17 |
| @preaction | i think there's an RFE out there to have an "Export as Package" link in the More menu of the asset manager (which would make one-off packages easy, and might alleviate the need for that delete button) | 20:18 |
| slickwar1 | good call | 20:18 |
| slickwar1 | question: is there a place that explains the default permissions of each WG user-group? | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the wiki would be the best place to look | 20:22 |
| slickwar1 | ie, setting someone as a 'content manager' has no actual effect since by default none of the pages are editable by content managers | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | content manager is in there for historical reasons | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and I think the Content Manager guide describes how to use it well. | 20:23 |
| slickwar1 | so historically - as in - it's going to be phased out? or as in, there's a better way to do it now but you like making oldschoolers like myself happy? :) | 20:25 |
| @bopbop | slickwar1: the users/group system is roles based- any group (and its users) will have whatever privileges you, as the admin, give it | 20:26 |
| @bopbop | each asset has its own privileges, and you can also manage admin permissions in the Permissions tab of the Settings screen | 20:27 |
| slickwar1 | right | 20:28 |
| slickwar1 | I just thought that it used to default to CM's being able to edit | 20:28 |
| @preaction | it might've, before Turn Admin On | 20:28 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6816 /WebGUI/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update the Default Product template to use the out of stock message | 20:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6817 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt upgrades/upgrade_7.5.13-7.5.14.pl): remove the bad Shop/ReceiptEmail template | 20:29 |
| @bopbop | slickwar1: that would be a good field to add to the content tab of the settings screen... perhaps another rfe | 20:29 |
| @bopbop | add a default "group to edit" | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from Admin :) | 20:29 |
| @bopbop | of course | 20:30 |
| @bopbop | Admin is part of every group | 20:30 |
| slickwar1 | bopbop: are you suggesting a "group to edit: Admins.... + CMs" ? | 20:32 |
| @bopbop | no, by default, Admins are already in every group, so simply selecting CM's would include admins | 20:33 |
| @bopbop | admins is a group w/in the CM group | 20:33 |
| slickwar1 | bopbop: then I didn't understand your group-to-edit suggestion | 20:40 |
| @bopbop | I'm saying , submit an RFE to place a Global Group to Edit field in the Content tab of the site Settings screen that would allow you to set a default group to edit all assets on the site | 20:41 |
| slickwar1 | ah | 20:41 |
| slickwar1 | as opposed to, right now, you have to go edit the branch of your home page and change the security level recursively, right? | 20:42 |
| @bopbop | right | 20:42 |
| slickwar1 | what is the scope of WG, in the long run? is it effectiveness, or intuitive-Gui-ness? | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | slickwar1: intuitiveness is subjective | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but we do try to make it easy to use | 20:43 |
| slickwar1 | it is subjective, I should have rephrased | 20:43 |
| slickwar1 | is it being built for the designer/developer, or for their users/clients? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have to click too much, or if something is impossible to do then it would be fixed (which is how edit branch came about) | 20:43 |
| slickwar1 | if I want to sell WG to clients who want to admin their own sites, I would NEVER be able to train them to use the edit:branch utility | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | No, you'd sell them a service to do it for them :) | 20:44 |
| slickwar1 | haha | 20:44 |
| slickwar1 | my goal is complete-hands-offness | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | No, really. That's PB's model. | 20:44 |
| slickwar1 | here's your site, here's how to edit it, don't call me ever again | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | That will never happen. | 20:45 |
| slickwar1 | haha | 20:45 |
| slickwar1 | my 5x users are ok with it :) | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | That's cool. | 20:46 |
| slickwar1 | yeah... so basically i'm hoping to find that level of where I don't have to 'support' them | 20:46 |
| slickwar1 | I know there will always be templating issues and such | 20:47 |
| slickwar1 | but for generic site edits, I want to make it as simple as possible for my clients | 20:47 |
| slickwar1 | without switching to joomla :-D | 20:47 |
| @preaction | basically thus: WebGUI's main goal is "More than 50%" of everything | 21:00 |
| @preaction | more than 50% of a Wiki, of a Calendar, of a Photo Gallery, of a Forum, etc... | 21:00 |
| @preaction | some things are different, Commerce for example, in that anything less than 100% is pointless | 21:00 |
| @preaction | we keep our eyes on the RFE boards (that's why they're there), we've got our own goals for WebGUI (usually the major ones like rewrite the Commerce system) | 21:01 |
| @preaction | if you really want to know where WebGUI is heading, come to the WUC | 21:01 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, maybe JT's keynote should be available for free after the WUC | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | He usually blogs about it afterwards | 21:02 |
| slickwar1 | I was going to come, but I don't have the funds available at the moment for a cross-country plane trip plus hotel | 21:16 |
| slickwar1 | just had to rebuild a BMW transmission, not cheap :) | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a youth hostel near the hotel with cheap lodging | 21:16 |
| slickwar1 | haha thanks | 21:19 |
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| @tavisto | hey perlDreamer, when you add a product to cart, shouldn't that then return you to a screen where the thank you message is displayed? | 23:29 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6818 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm: encode all parts of sent mail properly | 23:35 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, when you add a product to the cart, it returns you to the Product's view. If your template has the code in it for a thank you message, it will be displayed | 01:55 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, when you add a product to the cart, it returns you to the Product's view. If your template has the code in it for a thank you message, it will be displayed | 02:32 |
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| miloidrr | Hi, i have a problem with my webgui system. The problem is with the login sesions | 16:05 |
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| miloidrr | I'm the admin user, for example, when i am login and configuring the site, if other register user is login too it appear login with my user and I (admin) appear with the register user | 16:10 |
| miloidrr | And the admin bar appear to the register user too | 16:10 |
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| BartJol | miloidrr that sounds as a bug | 16:24 |
| BartJol | which version? | 16:26 |
| miloidrr | But what i would be do to this? | 16:26 |
| BartJol | well, I doubt whether it is your mistake | 16:26 |
| BartJol | what version are you using? | 16:27 |
| miloidrr | WebGUI 7.4.39 | 16:27 |
| BartJol | and if you look in admin console->active sessions how many sessions appear (when somebody else is also logged in?) | 16:28 |
| miloidrr | In this moment i 'am testing again | 16:29 |
| miloidrr | there is three sesions | 16:29 |
| miloidrr | Im the admin | 16:29 |
| miloidrr | But i'm appear like a register user | 16:30 |
| BartJol | how do you see that, I only see a Usename and ID | 16:31 |
| miloidrr | Yes | 16:32 |
| miloidrr | me too | 16:33 |
| BartJol | so to get it straight: | 16:35 |
| BartJol | when you are logged in with an account which is in the admin group | 16:35 |
| BartJol | AND | 16:35 |
| BartJol | a random user visitorx logges in from a differnt location | 16:35 |
| BartJol | THEN | 16:35 |
| BartJol | visitorx has also the turn admin on view | 16:35 |
| BartJol | can visitorx also edit stuff, or does he only see it? | 16:35 |
| miloidrr | No the visitor can't edit | 16:37 |
| BartJol | are my statements complete? | 16:37 |
| miloidrr | Only see it | 16:37 |
| miloidrr | YEs | 16:37 |
| BartJol | and it doesn't show up when your not logged in as admin? | 16:38 |
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| miloidrr | bartjol, this problem happen too when the normal user are logged too | 16:42 |
| BartJol | so it is not depending on whether you are logged in? | 16:42 |
| miloidrr | the system is crossing the sessions | 16:42 |
| BartJol | then it sounds a bit like a fault in the templates | 16:42 |
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| miloidrr | In the temoplates? | 16:44 |
| BartJol | but I thought the admin bar template was protected against such stuff | 16:44 |
| miloidrr | cs templates or PL templates | 16:44 |
| BartJol | hard to say from here | 16:44 |
| miloidrr | =) | 16:45 |
| juan | BartJol, i work with miloidrr and i have several sites in the same server | 16:45 |
| BartJol | The admin bar macro mostly is in a style template | 16:45 |
| juan | so if i test with another site and it doesn't show me this problem, maybe it could be a problem in the templates | 16:46 |
| BartJol | yeah maybe something with a <tmpl_var adminOn> or something like that | 16:47 |
| BartJol | sorry tmpl_if | 16:47 |
| miloidrr | BartJol, i can put the admin bar only in a specific template, but the cross sesions | 16:47 |
| miloidrr | appear with the register users too | 16:48 |
| BartJol | can you put your template in which your adminbar macro is in, in patebin? | 16:49 |
| miloidrr | Ok | 16:50 |
| miloidrr | Ok | 16:50 |
| miloidrr | let me put it | 16:50 |
| BartJol | don't forget to put the link here | 16:51 |
| BartJol | I have a meeting in 5 minutes, but I hope it will be short | 16:51 |
| miloidrr | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m66f94178 | 16:51 |
| miloidrr | Its ready | 16:52 |
| BartJol | did you alter the template PBtmpl0000000000000090 ? | 16:53 |
| miloidrr | Dontno | 16:53 |
| miloidrr | i did't | 16:53 |
| BartJol | ok | 16:54 |
| miloidrr | I don't change the template PBtmpl0000000000000090, always when i'm going to change some template i duplicate it | 16:54 |
| BartJol | very good! | 16:54 |
| BartJol | In my style template , the adminbar template isn't given as a parameter for the macro | 16:55 |
| BartJol | that's the only differnce I see | 16:55 |
| miloidrr | Ok | 16:55 |
| miloidrr | Yes | 16:56 |
| BartJol | but that doesn't mean it's the only one :) | 16:56 |
| miloidrr | The system cross the sessions, thats the problem | 16:56 |
| miloidrr | I'n i am ready to put my site online | 16:57 |
| miloidrr | But in the testing this happen | 16:57 |
| miloidrr | What can i do? | 16:58 |
| BartJol | well I'm just still analysing the problem... which is kinda hard from across an ocean (you come from South America, right?)... | 17:00 |
| BartJol | wait, Ill test with my site and your template what happens | 17:00 |
| miloidrr | yes i am | 17:00 |
| miloidrr | ok, tks | 17:01 |
| BartJol | well I can see the turn admin on link, click it and get an admin bar | 17:05 |
| BartJol | but I don't see edit buttons | 17:06 |
| juan | I don't have a lot experience working with perl but i try to learn it and to star using the webgui api | 17:06 |
| BartJol | I don't think it's a session cross | 17:07 |
| juan | i have created a macro to create collaboration system and it works well | 17:07 |
| BartJol | it's bound to be something with rights or variables that are not set properly or a template | 17:08 |
| juan | now i am working in create a macro with the purpose of create calendars | 17:08 |
| BartJol | everyone is actually allowed to see the admin bar template | 17:08 |
| BartJol | juan-> interesting, but not really to the point right now ;) | 17:09 |
| juan | yes, the problem is that i have some code to do that but i don't know if it is ok | 17:10 |
| juan | it doesn't have errors | 17:10 |
| BartJol | I'm not a perl guru either, also just trying to learn | 17:10 |
| miloidrr | BartJol: But the users haven't the turn Admin On group | 17:10 |
| BartJol | that doesn't matter as long as the template is visible for everyone it is possible to show an admin bar | 17:11 |
| BartJol | the turn admin on group is to show the link | 17:11 |
| miloidrr | Ok | 17:12 |
| miloidrr | with this i can solve the first problem | 17:12 |
| BartJol | ok good luck | 17:12 |
| miloidrr | But the cross sessions?:-( | 17:12 |
| BartJol | but I'm of to my meeting, will be back | 17:12 |
| miloidrr | See you son | 17:13 |
| miloidrr | Tks for all | 17:13 |
| BartJol | well I really don't believe that is really happening | 17:13 |
| BartJol | but more on that later | 17:13 |
| juan | thanks | 17:13 |
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| BartJol | juan I've got 10 minutes left for you! | 18:21 |
| juan | ok | 18:21 |
| juan | excuseme | 18:22 |
| juan | i was in a short meeting | 18:22 |
| juan | let's continue | 18:22 |
| BartJol | ok, it was about your macro code, right? | 18:22 |
| juan | i have the next code to create a calendar by console, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4f900472 | 18:23 |
| juan | in $properties i have the properties for the calendar | 18:23 |
| BartJol | ok | 18:23 |
| BartJol | what kind of vaiable is that? I would expect a Hash | 18:24 |
| juan | yes, a hash | 18:24 |
| juan | a hash reference | 18:24 |
| BartJol | I give yoy a small change for success with my help then | 18:25 |
| BartJol | I don't really have experience with those | 18:25 |
| BartJol | so don't waste your time and ask someone else | 18:26 |
| BartJol | sorry.... | 18:26 |
| juan | who knows about it? | 18:26 |
| BartJol | well, probably everyone else ;) | 18:27 |
| juan | :-D | 18:28 |
| BartJol | I'm also a relative noob, especially when it comes to coding, in translating I'm a veteran | 18:29 |
| juan | what is your native language? | 18:29 |
| BartJol | Dutch | 18:30 |
| juan | are you fun of alemania? | 18:30 |
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| BartJol | still the language in which WebGUI's translation is most complete | 18:31 |
| BartJol | alemania? | 18:31 |
| BartJol | germany? | 18:31 |
| juan | yes | 18:31 |
| BartJol | it's a nice country and they won with foorbal from Turkey yesterday | 18:31 |
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| juan | yes, we enjoy the football | 18:32 |
| BartJol | we too, except for that the Russians beaten us | 18:33 |
| BartJol | the bastards :) | 18:33 |
| BartJol | now I've gotta go for real, succes with your code | 18:33 |
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| juan | can i delete the messages in the inbox? | 18:36 |
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| SDuensin | Hey gang. Can you use images in forum signatures? Or does that require major hackage? | 20:03 |
| SDuensin | Nevermind - figured it out. :-) | 20:07 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron_: do you have any more of khenn's bad code to share with me for my wG Mistakes Presentation? | 21:25 |
| perlDreamer | I need a lot more material | 21:25 |
| @apeiron_ | perlDreamer, No, actually, sorry. | 21:26 |
| @preaction | the Event asset, that huge recurrence subroutine | 21:26 |
| @preaction | do NOT do that | 21:26 |
| @preaction | the Syndicated Content wobject, the miscellaneous poorly documented _* subroutines | 21:26 |
| @preaction | the Auth::WebGUI deviates from the arguments of subroutines it inherits from Auth.pm | 21:27 |
| @preaction | khenn's code, but most likely not khenn's fault | 21:27 |
| perlDreamer | no, probably not | 21:28 |
| @preaction | the old EMS suffered from feature creep... badly | 21:28 |
| perlDreamer | I found that the presentation quickly diverged from "Common" mistakes to things that make me mad. | 21:28 |
| @preaction | lol | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's okay. Y'all can just throw things at me if you don't like it | 21:29 |
| @preaction | there has been a lot of cooks in our kitchen... not all of them literate | 21:29 |
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| @preaction | you insult my Gallery and i'll be sure to have a pencil sticking out of some part of your body ;-) | 21:30 |
| @preaction | i'll take the next few weeks to figure out exactly where | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Insulting vs pointing out code problems are different. But I'll take your warning seriously :) | 21:30 |
| @preaction | i would consider them the same thing. but then again i tend to take things personally even if i did the best i could at the time | 21:31 |
| @preaction | hence why i offered up the Calendar as sacrifice ;-) | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | The first 4 slides in my presentation try to address that. | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | There's a polite invitation to leave for those who can't handle having their code put up on a screen and laughed at. | 21:32 |
| @preaction | only 4 slides on the calendar? you aren't looking hard enough | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | No, just to talk about the presentation idea and rules. | 21:32 |
| @preaction | the homegrown vCard/iCalendar feed parser? | 21:32 |
| @preaction | ah, mais oui | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Of course, if everyone leaves it will be a short presentation | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm off to the gym, be back in a while. | 21:36 |
| @preaction | he's bulking up to fend off the assault... | 21:37 |
| @preaction | better start taking kung-fu | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm actually hoping that y'all won't figure out who my trainer is. | 21:37 |
| @preaction | Mr. Miyagi? | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, Mr. Kuskie, today you're doing 200 pushups | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and we're working 5 days a week until the WUC. | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Hey, how do you know about the WUC? ;) | 21:37 |
| @preaction | jeebus. i tank out at 15 | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | My best is 120 in half an hour, in sets of 20 and 15 | 21:38 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6821 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): shortcut overrides display titles instead of field names | 22:49 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, re this bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/permission-denied-when-editing-shelf-template#h0syoHL1oUibhn5Zk1Ywgw | 22:56 |
| @Haarg | which template and other bug are you refering to? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: It was the Shop/ReceiptEmail vs Shop/EmailReceipt issue. It's a Vrby bug with a title like email receipt is empty. | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but I fixed that once you pointed out that I can't untar all those packages in the same place | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so it's fully resolved from that end | 23:02 |
| @Haarg | ok | 23:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto: Are you still mad at me for Shop? | 23:04 |
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| ckotil | the silent treatment. | 23:21 |
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| @tavisto | what do you mean perlDreamer? | 23:30 |
| @tavisto | why would I be mad at you? | 23:31 |
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| @Haarg | blah. release is ready but i have an appointment about my car. | 23:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6822 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm: better error message for database connection failure | 23:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6823 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.13-7.5.14.pl: fix Locked shelf assets | 23:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6824 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: RSS feeds report modified date instead of create date | 23:53 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6825 /WebGUI/t/Form/SelectRichEditor.t: silence another blessed warning | 23:53 |
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| juan | can i delete the message in the inbox? | 00:16 |
| juan | messages | 00:16 |
| @bopbop | juan: I don't think there is a way to do that | 00:18 |
| juan | ok | 00:24 |
| juan | thanks | 00:24 |
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| lisette | i was trying auth with openid, and i change the method authentication of admin, i now don't works, how to do change the method to admin for database? | 00:40 |
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| lisette | ? | 00:48 |
| lisette | or with the userImport.pl with an update works? | 00:49 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, why would I be mad at you about e-commerce | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. You were raving mad last week. | 01:07 |
| @tavisto | mad? I think it was confused | 01:08 |
| @tavisto | frustrated maybe but not mad | 01:08 |
| @tavisto | and not at you | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 01:08 |
| @tavisto | because regardless of whether e-commerce is working or not... I still think you are a west coast dirty hippie | 01:09 |
| @tavisto | :) | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I am an uptight west coast religious hacker | 01:10 |
| @tavisto | just kidding, but my hopes tonight is that the "add to cart" bug is resolved because that's a huge headache for me right now | 01:10 |
| @tavisto | er hope tonight | 01:10 |
| @tavisto | judging by the massive bug list.. I would say it's not looking too good | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, I've fixed so many Shop bugs I can't keep them all straight | 01:10 |
| @tavisto | I bet you have | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I need rizen to send the virus patrol over so I can spend a few days hacking. | 01:11 |
| @tavisto | trying to actually use the e-commerce right after release was like playing minesweeper on hardest difficulty | 01:11 |
| @tavisto | JT did show me that it's possible to build out manual links though.. that's sweet | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | manual links? | 01:12 |
| @tavisto | and especially useful for when you want to use custom buttons and text links.. instead of the "add to cart" stock buttons | 01:13 |
| @tavisto | yeah you can build them out of a url | 01:13 |
| @tavisto | That way you have way more flexibility in how people add things to cart. | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Why don't you put in a RFE to expose just the addToCart link in each SKU so you don't have to do it by hand? | 01:14 |
| @tavisto | yeah that would be cool | 01:18 |
| @tavisto | it would need to include the asseturl and then the vid | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you mean instead of the dropdown and the button? | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Steve already asked for something like that. | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but he wanted to be able to build his own HTML element. | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | that way you could build check boxes, or radio buttons, or anything | 01:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | Good luck on your car, Haarg | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I had mine in the shop last week. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Somebody came by and siphoned gas out of it | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and they shipped the wrong replacement part, twice. | 01:33 |
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| wgGuest82 | Hi perlDreamer i'm miloidrr | 06:26 |
| wgGuest82 | I have a big problem with a site | 06:27 |
| wgGuest82 | I'm goin to login in my site | 06:28 |
| wgGuest82 | When i am logued, if other user in other inside in the site, the system show the user admin | 06:29 |
| wgGuest82 | And the visitor can use the admin user | 06:29 |
| wgGuest82 | What can i do to this? | 06:29 |
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| AMH_bob | b | 09:46 |
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| BartJol | is assetData the only table with the field groupIdEdit? | 15:11 |
| BartJol | already have an answer | 15:13 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:59 |
| BartJol | hi | 16:00 |
| SDuensin | Hey BartJol | 16:01 |
| BartJol | what's up? | 16:02 |
| SDuensin | I'm confusing myself to no end with WebGUI lately. :-/ | 16:02 |
| BartJol | oh, let's do something about that | 16:02 |
| BartJol | what's the confusion about? | 16:03 |
| SDuensin | Well, I've got a Folder with other Folders inside it. Inside the sub folders are a crapload of MP3s... | 16:03 |
| SDuensin | I want to build a template for the top-level folder that will display all the MP3s contained in the sub folders... | 16:03 |
| BartJol | a folder template or a navigation template? | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | Basically, what I've done is organized a podcast's archive into years but I want to still provide a complete RSS feed of all the episodes. | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | Doesn't matter to me what it is. :-) | 16:04 |
| SDuensin | When I quit last night, I was looking at using a navigation template. | 16:05 |
| BartJol | but I still don't see any c onfusion | 16:05 |
| SDuensin | HTML::Template hurts my head. | 16:06 |
| BartJol | aha | 16:06 |
| SDuensin | Logging in to screw with it more now. | 16:07 |
| BartJol | :) | 16:07 |
| BartJol | shouldn't be to bad | 16:07 |
| BartJol | but I think a navigation is better, because that can dig as deep as you want in an assettree | 16:08 |
| BartJol | and it has some variables already prsent | 16:10 |
| SDuensin | Plunking away on it now. Slowly. | 16:11 |
| BartJol | well, no need for speed on a sunny friday afternoon | 16:12 |
| SDuensin | Blargh. Day just started for me. | 16:13 |
| BartJol | oh, sorry, western european timezones suck! | 16:14 |
| BartJol | maybe I should synchronise my working hours with a central american timezone | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | It's 8:15a here. | 16:16 |
| BartJol | 15.16 here | 16:16 |
| BartJol | so except 7 hours also a minute time difference, strange | 16:17 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 16:17 |
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| BartJol | Bad humour in the morning... with a cup of coffee I hope it's not too bad | 16:17 |
| miloidrr | Bartjol =) | 16:18 |
| miloidrr | If you would like have a good day, you must take a colombian coffee cup | 16:19 |
| * SDuensin has yummy coffee | 16:19 | |
| miloidrr | Hi perlDreamer | 16:20 |
| miloidrr | Bartjol, i have the cross sessions again | 16:20 |
| miloidrr | User visitor appear as an admin user | 16:20 |
| miloidrr | When I'm working in my Webgui site with my admin user account happen a big problem. if another user is as a visitor in the same time, it will appear as an administrator also, with my account, and he has all the privileges including the turn admin on, create cs, PL. This is a very serious mistake for the security of a site in fact WEBGUI | 16:21 |
| BartJol | oh eeeh, had to listen in in a phonecall, let me read | 16:32 |
| BartJol | ok, but if it's really a security bug, it's better to talk to one of the PB staff | 16:34 |
| miloidrr | who can i speak? | 16:41 |
| BartJol | well khenn might be a plan | 16:44 |
| BartJol | but I'm still not sure whether it really crosses sessions | 16:44 |
| miloidrr | What do you think about this phennomenom? | 16:45 |
| BartJol | well I still think that there's something wrong with the template | 16:46 |
| BartJol | or better "a template" | 16:47 |
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| BartJol | ah miloidrr, bopbop might also have some influence | 16:51 |
| @bopbop | on? | 16:51 |
| BartJol | bopbop-> miloidrr has a suspicion that sessions cross | 16:51 |
| BartJol | personally I think it's a template problem | 16:51 |
| BartJol | something with users that see an admin bar that is not meant to be visible | 16:52 |
| @bopbop | that sounds like a template problem | 16:52 |
| @bopbop | if the users can't actually peform anything in the admin bar that is | 16:52 |
| BartJol | not too much, but therefore you should check with mr miloidrr | 16:52 |
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| BartJol | I also used his template and I couldn't do much with it | 16:53 |
| BartJol | but I saw the adminbar | 16:53 |
| BartJol | unfortunately I didn't have the time too fully dive into it | 16:53 |
| @bopbop | if the admin bar appears, but is completely inactive, then it might be a template problem- if the users see the admin bar and can actually perform operations in it, then it's more than likely a bug and should be reported as such | 16:54 |
| @bopbop | miloidrr: do you have support with Plain Black? | 16:54 |
| BartJol | **silence is gold? | 16:56 |
| @khenn | miloidrr: are you behind a proxy server? | 16:59 |
| @khenn | go into your settings and turn on "prevent proxy caching" | 16:59 |
| @bopbop | ah, developer knowledge | 17:00 |
| @bopbop | good good | 17:00 |
| BartJol | miloidrr?? they are trying to help you! | 17:02 |
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| BartJol | juan do you know what miloidrr is doing? | 17:08 |
| miloidrr | Excuseme | 17:08 |
| miloidrr | Im here again | 17:08 |
| juan | He is working in that problem | 17:08 |
| BartJol | yeah, I know | 17:09 |
| BartJol | but it might be caused by proxy caching | 17:09 |
| miloidrr | Bartjol, bobpop, if this is a template problem, i have designed many templates | 17:10 |
| miloidrr | To cs | 17:10 |
| miloidrr | and pl | 17:10 |
| SDuensin | Speaking of templates, which navigation one is used for a site map? Am I just blind? I can't find it. | 17:10 |
| juan | if I change the proxy setting in the admin console, have another problem | 17:11 |
| miloidrr | I have designed a template for the macrologinbox too | 17:11 |
| juan | some of the pages don't load and appears an error but if i use Ctrl + f5 the page loads | 17:12 |
| miloidrr | It's the only one that contains the variable <tmpl_var session.user.username> | 17:13 |
| @bopbop | SDuensin: vertical menu | 17:13 |
| SDuensin | bopbop - Thanks. Still not seeing my child items. :-/ | 17:15 |
| SDuensin | DOH! I might know why. | 17:16 |
| @bopbop | SDuensin: check display tabs for them | 17:16 |
| @bopbop | make sure they're not set to be hidden from nav | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | That was it. I just set the nav to show hidden. Duh. | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | Thanks. | 17:16 |
| @khenn | miloidrr: unless you are writing a custom auth method and explicitly coding it in, it's not possible for a visitor to share admin privileges. It's a caching issue for sure | 17:17 |
| @khenn | preventing proxy cache will ensure you have an uncached page each time you view it | 17:17 |
| juan | but if he puts preventing proxy cache in "No", have another problem | 17:22 |
| @khenn | which is? | 17:22 |
| juan | I am going to change the settings to show you the error | 17:22 |
| @khenn | what version of WebGUI are you using? | 17:23 |
| miloidrr | 7.4.39 | 17:25 |
| miloidrr | The error was, this page in not redirectly correct, please try again | 17:27 |
| juan | that is the error | 17:27 |
| @khenn | could be a bug in WebGUI | 17:28 |
| @khenn | when you turn it off, what is the url | 17:28 |
| @khenn | then when you turn it on, what is the url? | 17:28 |
| miloidrr | This page don't have turn admin on macro now | 17:29 |
| @khenn | ?op=switchOnAdmin | 17:30 |
| @khenn | add that to the end of your url | 17:31 |
| miloidrr | Only a Hidden page have a macro turnAdminOn | 17:31 |
| miloidrr | Ok | 17:31 |
| @khenn | that sounds like a template issue | 17:31 |
| @khenn | ie some malformed HTML | 17:31 |
| miloidrr | Im usuig firefox, i hate ie | 17:32 |
| miloidrr | using | 17:33 |
| miloidrr | Khenn, this problem don't appear now | 17:34 |
| @khenn | ok | 17:35 |
| @khenn | so it's working then? | 17:35 |
| miloidrr | Yes | 17:36 |
| miloidrr | But the problem it's the sessions | 17:36 |
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| miloidrr | When I'm working in my Webgui site with my admin user account happen a big problem. if another user is as a visitor in the same time, it will appear as an administrator also, with my account, and he has all the privileges including the turn admin on, create cs, PL. This is a very serious mistake for the security of a site in fact WEBGUI | 17:37 |
| miloidrr | This is the problem that i was report as a bug | 17:38 |
| miloidrr | But i'm don't sure if it is a bug | 17:39 |
| miloidrr | or an error of templates | 17:39 |
| miloidrr | Because i have many templates | 17:39 |
| miloidrr | To PL, cs, MacroLoginBox, I have personalized the most of templates of the assets in the site | 17:40 |
| @khenn | miloidrr: there is no way for this to happen other than cache. Are you using the same browser ? | 17:43 |
| @khenn | try logging in as a visitor on another machine somewhere | 17:43 |
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| miloidrr | No, i didn't, besides the problem appear in diffrent pc | 17:45 |
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| miloidrr | I have tried | 17:45 |
| @khenn | beind the same network? | 17:46 |
| @khenn | is there a proxy server? | 17:46 |
| miloidrr | In another location (house), out of the network | 17:46 |
| @khenn | I don't know what would be causing it | 17:46 |
| @khenn | you are going to have to log it as a bug | 17:46 |
| @khenn | try to include as much detail as you can | 17:47 |
| @khenn | on how to reproduce it | 17:47 |
| @khenn | attach your custom templates / code if need be | 17:47 |
| miloidrr | Khen, can you get in to www.rockemite.fm? | 17:47 |
| miloidrr | to test the Behavior of this | 17:49 |
| miloidrr | Im log in as an admin | 17:49 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: martin * r6831 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Color.pm): Fixed bug in the colorpicker which caused the colorpicker screen to not pop up. | 18:07 |
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| slickware | anyone know - does firefox cache longer than IE by default? | 19:59 |
| slickware | I seem to have a hard time viewing updated content immediately in FF, and no problem in IE | 19:59 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6832 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm): fixed: Reverted change that made IE6 stop showing pages with RichEditors in them | 20:05 |
| slickware | sometimes works if I use shift+refresh, but not all my users will know that | 20:05 |
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| SDuensin | Is there a way in a template to test what the item is a navigation is going to display? I need to tell the difference between a Folder and a File. | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, all the template variables for the Navigation are in the online Help. | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin Console -> Help | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I've never seen anything like that in there, but I haven't scanned everything in a while | 20:39 |
| SDuensin | Thanks. HTML::Template and I don't get along yet. :-P | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | You can install other templating engines | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | HTML::Template::Expr, or Text::Template | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | uh Template::Toolkit | 20:39 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, but then I get to deal with something that's even *less* documented. | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a template variable called isContainer | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | it will tell you the difference between Folders (containers) and Files | 20:40 |
| SDuensin | Cool. Thanks! | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | No problem. I thought you were doing Java based work? | 20:41 |
| SDuensin | Not for "normal" web sites. For my world ruling empire, yes. | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I can see the posters now. rizen vs SDuensin in a no hold barred grudge match, with the winner dominating the world! | 20:43 |
| @preaction | thiiis SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAYYYY | 20:43 |
| SDuensin | Thing is, I can run WebGUI as an app under mine. :-) | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | You could probably run your app proxied through wG as well as a passThru. | 20:44 |
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| SDuensin | I'm a huge WebGUI fan. It's not going *anywhere* in my organization. I'm keeping it right here next to everything else. :-D | 20:46 |
| @apeiron | ... heh, TT's docs kick the crap out of HTML::Template's. :) | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but they have to | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | H::T is designed to be dirt simple | 20:47 |
| SDuensin | May be simple, but it does what I needed. :-) | 20:49 |
| * SDuensin has a huge pile of podcasts broken up by years, yet still wants to provide a complete feed of everything. | 20:49 | |
| @apeiron | use perl; | 20:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup, that's a navigation | 20:49 |
| SDuensin | Yes, it is. :-) | 20:50 |
| SDuensin | For my next stunt, I wanna add descriptions to all these files based on the ID3 data. Doing it by hand would be No Fun(tm). | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Asset::File::MP3? ;) | 20:51 |
| SDuensin | Possible! :-) | 20:51 |
| SDuensin | I need to work on my Perl Fu. I still don't deal well with that ASCII explosion you all call a language. | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Think of it as Java with punctuation | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Come to the WUC and I'll help you with W::A::F::MP3 | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: re our sales tax talk from earlier this week: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/321463658/article.pl | 20:54 |
| @tavisto | wow what a big gray area | 20:56 |
| @tavisto | I dont think anyone really knows how it all works | 20:56 |
| SDuensin | perlDreamer - I'd love to make it to WUC. No can do. :-( | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | That's okay. I'll help you anyway. | 21:02 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 21:02 |
| * SDuensin is so far behind on his WebGUI/WRE upgrades that it scares him to add anything new to it. | 21:04 | |
| @apeiron | siiiiiigh. Perl isn't an ASCII explosion. That's the regular expression syntax. | 21:07 |
| @apeiron | (which is completely agnostic of language) | 21:07 |
| SDuensin | Don't leave out all the @_ and such! | 21:08 |
| @apeiron | use English; | 21:08 |
| slickware | what's the "Extras" field do on a data form field do? | 21:08 |
| SDuensin | Yea, I know about "use English;". :-) | 21:09 |
| @bopbop | slickware: are you talking about in the metadata tab? | 21:12 |
| slickware | when you add a new field | 21:13 |
| slickware | there's name, subtext, and then lower down there's "extras" | 21:13 |
| @bopbop | oh, yeah, I've never used that - not sure | 21:15 |
| @bopbop | sorry | 21:15 |
| @bopbop | slickware: however, I do believe that field relates to stylesheets- you an give this field a different look using this field if you are using a special stylesheets for this asset | 21:19 |
| @bopbop | that was kind of garbled-sorry | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Extras is extra stuff you'd like in the form field. javascript, css and the like | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe the hover help for that should be updated to make it clearer. | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | What does it say, SDuensin? | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | Huh? Me? | 21:21 |
| @bopbop | it's slickware's queston | 21:21 |
| @bopbop | question | 21:21 |
| SDuensin | Ah | 21:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | slickware: Extras is extra stuff you'd like in the form field. javascript, css and the like. maybe the hover help for that should be updated to make it clearer. What does it say? | 21:43 |
| slickware | excellent thanks | 21:43 |
| slickware | I didn't check the hover | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | You should. i18n bugs tend to get fixed real fast. | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and missing hover help is also a bug | 21:44 |
| slickware | it's there. I didn't even realize there was hover help :) | 21:45 |
| slickware | what's i18n ? | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | i + 18 characters + n | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | internationalization | 21:47 |
| slickware | ah | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | i18n is much easier to type | 21:51 |
| slickware | definitely | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Does the hover help on that Extras field make sense, or does it need to be tweaked? | 21:52 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6833 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: fix bad grammar in EMS badge group help | 21:58 |
| slickware | no, I think it's alright | 22:18 |
| slickware | sorry | 22:18 |
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| miloidrr | PErlDreamer, Hi | 22:22 |
| miloidrr | I have a problem with the sessions | 22:24 |
| miloidrr | When I'm working in my Webgui site with my admin user account happen a big problem. if another user is as a visitor in the same time, it will appear as an administrator also, with my account, and he has all the privileges including the turn admin on, create cs, PL. | 22:25 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6834 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): fix display bugs in the Subscription template (no price, and bare parens showing when no code batches are available) | 22:26 |
| slickware | hi miloidrr... where is your site hosted? | 22:44 |
| slickware | with plainblack, or a custom server | 22:44 |
| miloidrr | Slickwave, my site is hosted in Colombia | 22:45 |
| @Haarg | i think i need to do a bit more work on translationserver.cgi to get it handling utf8 correctly | 22:50 |
| @Haarg | getting rather sick of text encoding issues | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | amen. And Shop issues. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | and CS + Mail issues | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | how about Gallery issues? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | not sick of those really, each issue resolved seems to also give me new ideas for what the Gallery should be able to do | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to talk with rizen about some of these Shop bugs. Is he around someplace? | 23:06 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6835 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): | 23:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a new method to FlatDiscount to tell if it is already in the cart. | 23:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a template variable to tell if there is already one in the cart. | 23:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Modify the default template to include the thank you message and to hide | 23:27 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: the add to cart button if this coupon is already in the cart. | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg, apeiron: I need a bug consult. | 23:45 |
| @Haarg | sure | 23:45 |
| @preaction | CHECKING IN! | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | The confirmation message on a user profile category asks if you want to delete the category and move all of its fields to the MIsc category | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but it really deletes them | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Better to change the message, or the behavior? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing message | 23:46 |
| @Haarg | how would that effect protected fields? | 23:46 |
| @preaction | uh... Haarg? hobson's choice? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, that's the original bug | 23:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | Deleting a category does not check the status of the fields | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've fixed that one | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I found this other one while testing the fix for that | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Isn't hobson's choice one or naught? | 23:48 |
| @Haarg | well, changing the message is simpler certainly | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and it reflects how WebGUI has behaved for a while. | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | but before committing, I figured I'd double check :) | 23:49 |
| @Haarg | seems fine to just do that then | 23:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that should probably be backported to 7.4 as well | 23:54 |
| @Haarg | 7.4 is done | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case, I won't. I'll annotate the svn rev in the bug report in case someone want's to manually backport. | 23:58 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6836 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): | 00:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added a method to check to see if a profile category has protected fields. | 00:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Use that method to see prevent the category from being deleted in the ProfileSettings operation. | 00:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Change the delete profile confirmation message to match what it does, which is delete all | 00:26 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: the fields in the category. | 00:26 |
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| miloidrr | Hi, i have a big problem with my webgui site | 00:46 |
| miloidrr | When I'm working in my Webgui site with my admin user account happen a big problem. if another user is as a visitor in the same time, it will appear as an administrator also, with my account, and he has all the privileges including the turn admin on, create cs, PL. | 00:47 |
| miloidrr | Im tenting with enable proxy cache | 00:47 |
| miloidrr | and testing without proxy cache in the miscelaneus setting | 00:51 |
| miloidrr | But always, when a visitor is in mi site appear as a admin | 00:52 |
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| miloidrr | PErlDreamer | 01:20 |
| miloidrr | Hi | 01:20 |
| miloidrr | Can you attend me? | 01:20 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6837 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm: | 01:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a missing TD tag to a table in manage subscription batches screen. | 01:22 |
| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix the link to Manage subscription codes in the admin console. | 01:22 |
| lisette | cap10morgan, you can help me with openid? | 01:38 |
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| +cap10morgan | lisette: are you trying to use it w/ webgui? | 01:39 |
| lisette | yes | 01:39 |
| +cap10morgan | that doesn't really work (yet) | 01:39 |
| lisette | ah, but with the module thats make dannymk, don't works? | 01:39 |
| lisette | do you have any documentacion about to create a server openid? | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | yeah, dannymk's module basically works, but it's tricky to setup and i haven't done it in a while | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | creating an openid server is also pretty complex, but you don't usually need to do it | 01:40 |
| +cap10morgan | just use one of the publicly available ones | 01:41 |
| lisette | we have several websites and we want have our server of openid, thats is possible, we want have to control by users | 01:42 |
| miloidrr | cap10morgan, do you know something about the sessions in webgui | 01:43 |
| miloidrr | When I'm working in my Webgui site with my admin user account happen a big problem. if another user is as a visitor in the same time, it will appear as an administrator also, with my account, and he has all the privileges including the turn admin on, create cs, PL. | 01:43 |
| +cap10morgan | lisette: that's pretty complex, but there's documentation out there. google can help there. | 01:43 |
| lisette | google no me ha ayudado | 01:44 |
| lisette | i can't find anything with google, in google find only information about the openid providers | 01:44 |
| +cap10morgan | it's out there, but it's not for the faint of heart. various libraries support setting up openid providers | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | but it's very complex | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | think long and hard if you really need that | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | 99% of people don't | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | an openid provider is what you want | 01:45 |
| +cap10morgan | if you do decide to go that route | 01:46 |
| +cap10morgan | provider = server, consumer = client | 01:46 |
| lisette | if i use the openid public i can to control the users? | 01:46 |
| +cap10morgan | yes | 01:46 |
| lisette | how? | 01:46 |
| +cap10morgan | depends on the client implementation | 01:46 |
| +cap10morgan | but just because someone has an openid doesn't mean they can get into your system | 01:47 |
| lisette | per example? | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | openid is authentication, not authorization | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | so it's a part of the design | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | which means you shouldn't worry about it | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | you and you alone specify who can get into your system | 01:47 |
| +cap10morgan | just because you enable openid logins doesn't mean every openid now has access to your system | 01:48 |
| lisette | then i have to copy the lines <link.....> in the head? | 01:48 |
| +cap10morgan | i don't know what you mean, but i'm talking much higher level than that | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | if you want to try dannymk's module | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | just use an openid from myopenid.com | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | or openid.aol.com | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | or any other public provider | 01:49 |
| +cap10morgan | it's still secure | 01:49 |
| lisette | i try with openid.es and don't work | 01:50 |
| +cap10morgan | well, like i said, it doesn't really work yet | 01:50 |
| +cap10morgan | dannymk's module is not easy to get working, that's why I don't recommend it to people | 01:51 |
| +cap10morgan | i say, "it doesn't work (yet)" :) | 01:51 |
| lisette | do you actually works about this? | 01:52 |
| +cap10morgan | do i work on it? openid in webgui? | 01:53 |
| +cap10morgan | i have in the past, but it's on hold now waiting for a new Perl OpenID library | 01:54 |
| lisette | ok, thanks by your help | 01:54 |
| lisette | toco esperar! | 01:54 |
| +cap10morgan | de nada | 01:55 |
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| miloidrr | capMorgan do you have time, i need ask you something about the webgui sessions | 01:59 |
| +cap10morgan | miloidrr: i'm sorry, i probably can't help you w/ that at the moment | 02:00 |
| +cap10morgan | i would post in the forums on webgui.org | 02:01 |
| +cap10morgan | or wait for more webgui devs to be in the room (they're the ops) | 02:01 |
| miloidrr | Ok, tks | 02:01 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6838 /WebGUI/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Replaced CLI gallery import system with a better one. | 05:12 |
| @preaction | better is relative :p | 05:12 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6839 /translations/Italian/Italian/ (18 files): update_from_translation_server | 14:25 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6840 /WebGUI/sbin/galleryImport.pl: added keyword tag support | 18:54 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:30 |
| Trebbor | Hello. | 15:44 |
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| wgGuest97 | HI | 17:37 |
| wgGuest97 | I Have a question about the cs | 17:37 |
| wgGuest97 | I have a cs, and im testing with a register user publishing a new post | 17:38 |
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| wgGuest97 | I can edit and delete the new post, but another post published yesterday can't delete an edit, the system don't dhow this options | 17:39 |
| wgGuest97 | this happen in the same cs | 17:40 |
| wgGuest97 | the last post can't edit, and new post can edit | 17:41 |
| wgGuest97 | why this happen? | 17:42 |
| KlausH | set the Edit Tiemout in the Security Tab of the CS to a longer time. Default is only 1 hour | 17:46 |
| wgGuest97 | Ok let me see | 17:47 |
| wgGuest97 | KlausH, Really tks | 17:50 |
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| steveo_aa | Is there a way to see what WebGUI::Mail::Send will send (constructed) before calling queue or send? | 20:53 |
| perlDreamer | steveo_aa, that completely depends on what's sending the email. What are you trying to do? | 20:54 |
| steveo_aa | Construct a message, and then see what it looks like before I turn on send during testing. | 20:54 |
| perlDreamer | for testing, I use $session->log->warn($output) and check the log files. | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | Aside from that, there's no graphical interface for debugging emails. | 20:57 |
| steveo_aa | Ok, how do I get the WebGUI::Mail::Send object into $output. | 20:57 |
| steveo_aa | Besides Dumper. Something that looks somewhat like what is saved in a mbox. | 20:58 |
| perlDreamer | message body and headers? | 20:58 |
| steveo_aa | Yes, I don't want to actually send the message yet. Just see how it will be sent. | 20:59 |
| steveo_aa | I'm experienced to know a well formed message when I see it. I just want to see it before I send it. | 21:01 |
| steveo_aa | Reallly? Nobody thought that would be useful? | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | I'd recommend reading through WebGUI::Mail::Send and checking out the queue method. | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | No, I think most devs would send the email to themselves | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | and check it out that way | 21:04 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Mail::Send objects also allow you to get the underlying MIME::Lite object if you want it | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah, that's what is used to serialize the object as text and put it into the db to be handled by spectre. | 21:05 |
| steveo_aa | Ok, well when working on a client site, it's not always possible to control where mail is sent. | 21:05 |
| @preaction | it's also used to send the message | 21:05 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg, earlier when I asked you about backporting a patch to 7.4.40, you mentioned that 7.4 was done. Has any kind of announcement gone out about that? | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | not after the fact | 21:11 |
| @Haarg | it's been mentioned some places that .40 was the last release | 21:11 |
| perlDreamer | okay, thanks. I must have just forgotten it. | 21:12 |
| steveo_aa | Hmm. No one thought of $mail->getMimeEntity->stringify | 21:17 |
| @preaction | that's what it is. MIME::Entity | 21:18 |
| @Haarg | MIME::Tools is rather annoying | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | i keep having to add more encoding/decoding around it's use | 21:19 |
| @Haarg | seems like something that could easily be automatic | 21:19 |
| steveo_aa | Inappropriate content handler is done. Now to modify templates. | 21:20 |
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| @bopbop | hey perldreamer | 21:37 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, bopbop? | 21:51 |
| @bopbop | I have a hover help change request- do you want me to just post an rfe, or send it to you? | 21:52 |
| perlDreamer | hover help is often buggable, but let me know and I'll do it now. | 21:52 |
| @bopbop | cool-thx | 21:53 |
| steveo_aa | Hmm. Plainblack websites are moving at a crawl for me. | 21:55 |
| @bopbop | me too | 22:01 |
| drewstephan | hey, has anyone else run into problems with their sites caching stuff for too long? | 22:12 |
| drewstephan | we're running 7.3.39 | 22:12 |
| drewstephan | and we've had a lot of complaints from people who visit our sites frequently that they often have to shift-refresh or otherwise clear their cache to get the latest version of the site | 22:13 |
| drewstephan | my initial thought on how to handle this was to create a workflow that would clear the site cache a couple times a day, but i don't really know if this is the right approach | 22:14 |
| @preaction | its probably not the site cache, it's the client-side cache. make sure you're setting the Cache Timeout on your assets correctly | 22:15 |
| drewstephan | what should i be setting it to? the default is 1 hour, right? | 22:15 |
| @preaction | i don't know. this is an ongoing issue with the cache control headers. there are probably many threads on WebGUI.org about what you can do about it | 22:16 |
| drewstephan | ah | 22:16 |
| drewstephan | i poked around for a little bit there, but didn't find much that seemed applicable | 22:16 |
| @preaction | it might be fixed with the 7.5 series, but iirc there's no way to really fix the issue that isn't just as expensive as actually sending the content | 22:19 |
| @preaction | though, i suppose if we do everything up to sending the content, we are at least saving the bandwidth and the time it takes to transmit the data | 22:19 |
| drewstephan | hmmm | 22:23 |
| drewstephan | sounds tricky | 22:23 |
| @preaction | it is. that's why it's plagued us for a while now :( | 22:23 |
| drewstephan | yea... | 22:23 |
| @preaction | the only thing i can suggest is turning on Prevent Proxy Caching (i think) in the Settings | 22:24 |
| @preaction | there might be more articles on webgui.org about disabling client caching | 22:24 |
| perlDreamer | doesn't that only work on proxies? | 22:24 |
| @preaction | i don't know, really. it's been a while since i've worried about the caching problem | 22:31 |
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| melleb | hi there, newbie question: i tried to rollback some version tags and somehow now the compelte site is gone... | 23:54 |
| melleb | could anyone point me in the right direction? | 23:55 |
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