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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6545 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Search/Index.pm Shop/Transaction.pm Asset/Sku.pm): some minor enhancements | 00:19 |
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Samus_Aran | thanks all, be back later | 01:07 |
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perlDreamer | is pb.com down? | 18:42 |
perlDreamer | I can't get to webgui.org, or talk to the svn server | 18:43 |
nuba | oops | 18:49 |
perlDreamer | when JT says feature freeze, he _means_ feature freeze! | 18:51 |
perlDreamer | No new code will be committed! | 18:51 |
perlDreamer | time to hack the laptop. A friend of my son jumped on it, and now the LCD bezel isn't rotating smoothly. | 18:52 |
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+Radix_ | webgui.org dead? | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | seems so | 23:10 |
+Radix_ | hey martin | 23:10 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | http://plainblack.com/index.html | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | hey jesse | 23:11 |
+MrHairgrease | how are you | 23:11 |
+Radix_ | I'm good.. about to head off to bed actually :) | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | huh | 23:12 |
+Radix_ | 4am here | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | where are you then? | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | ah | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | i see | 23:12 |
+MrHairgrease | you've been partying? | 23:13 |
+Radix_ | drank too much coke at the party tonight, so it kept me awake | 23:13 |
+Radix_ | yeah | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | coke? | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | i see it's time you came to the Netherlands again | 23:13 |
+Radix_ | I don't drink tea or coffee at all.. and dont drink soft drink really except at parties | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | lot's of coffee here | 23:13 |
+MrHairgrease | and beer at parties | 23:13 |
+Radix_ | so when I drink coca cola the caffeine hits me and i'm generally awake until late ;) | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | heh | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | I almost never drink coke | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | sometime I'll buy a can or so | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | but then again, i don't have any problems sleeping | 23:14 |
+MrHairgrease | anyway, good night | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | and say hello to the dutch guy with the weird name foe me | 23:15 |
+MrHairgrease | for* | 23:15 |
+Radix_ | heh | 23:15 |
+Radix_ | He's back in holland now actually | 23:15 |
+Radix_ | left the company just before christmas | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | what was his name again? | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | i forgot | 23:17 |
+Radix_ | Gooitzen | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 23:17 |
+Radix_ | anyhow.. i really should head off to bed.. nite ;) | 23:19 |
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@perlmonkey2 | is there a specific place I need to put the templates used in the new survey, or should they just go in the sql upgrade? And where do I put the logic for upgrading old surveys to the new version? | 01:33 |
+MrHairgrease | put the templates in a packe | 01:34 |
+MrHairgrease | package* | 01:34 |
+MrHairgrease | and put that in docs/upgrades/packages-76.5.11 | 01:34 |
+MrHairgrease | 7.5.11 | 01:34 |
+MrHairgrease | the logic goes into the upgrade-7.5.10-7.5.11 file in docs/upgrades | 01:35 |
@perlmonkey2 | the packages look like binaries? | 01:37 |
@preaction | they are binaries | 01:37 |
@preaction | they're tarred | 01:37 |
@preaction | use the webgui interface to make the packages | 01:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | oay | 01:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | k | 01:38 |
@preaction | they're JSON hashes, which are tarred (and maybe gzipped) | 01:38 |
@perlmonkey2 | the db schema I put into the beta will be unchangeable until the next beta, right? | 01:39 |
@preaction | see lib/WebGUI/AssetPackage for more info. and for a future addition you might want to override the importAssetData and exportAssetData routines to add collateral data | 01:39 |
@preaction | db schema is not an API, so you can change it, add to it, whatever | 01:39 |
@perlmonkey2 | k | 01:39 |
@preaction | (rather, it's not covered by the API freeze, but it is kinda an api) | 01:39 |
@apeiron | preaction, I would argue that the API hides the DB. | 01:39 |
@apeiron | Ideally, there shouldn't be any SQL in anything but a few modules. | 01:40 |
@preaction | eh. my opinion is there are four APIs, the module API, the DB, the URL, and the templates | 01:40 |
@apeiron | bleh. That promotes SQL to the status of 'programming language'. | 01:40 |
@preaction | the idea is that anything you can't specifically prevent, you have to plan for | 01:41 |
* apeiron kicks it to the curb | 01:41 |
@preaction | no. it just means that changing the data in the database is possible outside of the module API | 01:41 |
@preaction | it's just not a good idea | 01:41 |
@perlmonkey2 | so as long as the publicly (www_) avaialable methods don't change input and returns, anything goes? | 01:43 |
@preaction | no. all the module API has to remain backwards-compatible | 01:43 |
@preaction | so getSurveyQuestion or whatever you have going for those | 01:43 |
@preaction | www_ methods don't usually get called with arguments, but if they have them, they're covered too | 01:44 |
@perlmonkey2 | GET and POST don't count as part of the API/ | 01:45 |
@perlmonkey2 | ? | 01:45 |
+MrHairgrease | well, technically assets are not covered by the API freeze | 01:45 |
+MrHairgrease | since their only plugins | 01:45 |
@preaction | ah, that too | 01:45 |
+MrHairgrease | only Asset.pm and Wobject.pm are | 01:45 |
@preaction | you don't really have to worry, assets aren't under freeze | 01:46 |
+MrHairgrease | since they provide the framework for most assets | 01:46 |
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@perlmonkey2 | oh man, so as sucky as it is that I don't have the survey absolutely perfect, it isn't the end of the world and I'll still have a bit of time to wrap it up. | 02:04 |
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metanil | is there any AJAX library available in webgui? | 02:19 |
@preaction | YUI connection | 02:20 |
@preaction | www/extras/yui/build/connection/ | 02:20 |
metanil | is webgui.org is working for you guys.. both plainblack and webgui.org is not working .. (at least from my machine) | 02:22 |
@preaction | did you read the message? | 02:23 |
metanil | i have to wait then. :( | 02:24 |
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@preaction | if you don't see a message than your DNS is old. we're having data center problems | 02:24 |
metanil | oh! | 02:25 |
@preaction | well, plainblack.com shows the message. webgui.org is pointing to a dead IP, and I don't want to go through and change everything on our nameserver to point to the message | 02:26 |
+MrAfkGrease | good luck with the colo trouble | 02:34 |
+MrAfkGrease | I'm heading off | 02:34 |
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metanil | preaction: is that the yahoo user interface? | 03:57 |
@preaction | metanil, yes. | 04:13 |
metanil | i can see its providing its own object like menu, btton, autocomplete | 04:15 |
metanil | (i know this question doesn't belongs to here).. is there anyway to do simple AJAX request/receive using YUI (if there's any) | 04:16 |
@preaction | yes, YUI Connection, exactly where i told you it was. look at the YUI documentation, look for the Connection module | 04:18 |
@perlmonkey2 | metanil: YUI offers several ways to do ajax, all of them simple and wrapped in a nice event handler. | 04:26 |
metanil | thanks preaction... awesome.. this is what i need http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/examples/connection/get.html | 04:27 |
metanil | at least to start with | 04:27 |
metanil | thanks again | 04:27 |
metanil | :) | 04:27 |
metanil | perlmonkey2: Indeed indeed.. i am looking at it.. too easy... woot!!! | 04:29 |
@perlmonkey2 | if there is a web interface to create packages, I haven't been able to find it. | 04:31 |
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@perlmonkey2 | Hmm, why wouldn't I put the templates in the upgrades/templates folder? Is it the normal way to add a new package? | 04:38 |
metanil | i created an asset, now i want that asset to include some javascript, ( i can do it manually going through template page).. but i want to do it in general way | 04:55 |
metanil | oops.. let me backup that question. | 04:58 |
metanil | ( i shouldn't be asking that question) :D | 04:59 |
Radix__ | Anyone know if the plainblack.com/webgui.org datacenter fire is related to ThePlanet datacenter explosion? | 05:11 |
Radix__ | http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/01/1715247&from=rss | 05:12 |
SDuensin | Data center fire?! | 05:19 |
SDuensin | Egads. | 05:20 |
patspam | ouch | 05:20 |
metanil | oops | 05:49 |
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perlDreamer | any further updates about the data center yet? | 06:19 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=0 | 06:25 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Note, it's been Slashdotted, so may be slow. | 06:25 |
perlDreamer | yeah, it's slow | 06:25 |
perlDreamer | If there's anything I can do to help you guys, please let me know | 06:26 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Not that I can think of, unfortunately. Nothing PB can do either. | 06:27 |
perlDreamer | I'll pray. | 06:36 |
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perlDreamer | and I'll write tests | 06:46 |
perlDreamer | I do that when I'm nervous | 06:46 |
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-!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/index.php?showtopic=90185&st=20 Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. | 07:05 |
perlDreamer | okay, I need some WebGUI help with the new version control settings | 07:09 |
perlDreamer | anyone still awake? | 07:09 |
@apeiron | I am, but not sure how helpful I'll be in that regard as I'm not intimately familiar with that particular bit of wG. | 07:13 |
perlDreamer | well, this would be easier if I could show you the code and test | 07:13 |
perlDreamer | but basically, it's the product import subroutine (Shop::Products::importProducts) | 07:14 |
perlDreamer | if it's tries to import a product that is locked, it skips it | 07:14 |
@apeiron | I have a somewhat recent SVN checkout, will take a look. | 07:14 |
perlDreamer | so in my test, I put a product with two variants. | 07:14 |
perlDreamer | I _thought_ with autocommit turned on, that addChild would autocommit the asset, leaving it available for the next variant to be added. | 07:15 |
perlDreamer | but the product appears to be locked | 07:15 |
perlDreamer | and I don't know why | 07:15 |
perlDreamer | and during my test script, it complains that it can't talk to spectre | 07:15 |
@apeiron | Maybe you need to $asset->commit it? | 07:16 |
perlDreamer | I'll try it | 07:29 |
perlDreamer | that did it! | 07:30 |
perlDreamer | apeiron: you rock! | 07:31 |
perlDreamer | well, the good news is that importProducts is now tested and works | 07:37 |
perlDreamer | the bad news is that y'all just have to take my word for it for a little while | 07:37 |
perlDreamer | and this is undoubtedly the best reason I've heard for distributed version control | 07:37 |
patspam | yeah seems like every man and his dog is using git now | 07:40 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, I don't rock, my ability to guess luckily rocks. | 07:40 |
@apeiron | patspam, heh | 07:40 |
@apeiron | patspam, There's that and the fact that developing an SCM has been a fad for the last few years. | 07:40 |
patspam | heh yeah true | 07:40 |
@apeiron | svn, svk, arch, darc, mercurial, clearcase, monotone, git | 07:41 |
@apeiron | etc. | 07:41 |
@apeiron | I probably missed a few. | 07:41 |
patspam | someone did a git demo at my perlmongers meeting, looked pretty cool, but a bit of a mind-shift | 07:41 |
@apeiron | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_revision_control_software | 07:41 |
perlDreamer | new update from The Planet | 07:41 |
@apeiron | Heh. I refreshed it then tabbed here. | 07:42 |
perlDreamer | The second floor may be online tomorrow, but the first floor is really screwed | 07:42 |
@apeiron | No, I do not know where wG's machines are. | 07:42 |
perlDreamer | apeiron: regarding guessing. There's no way to tell between lucky guesses and strong intuition. | 07:44 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, True. I saw that an asset (a SKU or such, it was shop related) in Asset.t was using ->commit,. | 07:44 |
@apeiron | So I figured I'd hazard a guess. | 07:45 |
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@preaction | WAHOO DUSK IS BACK | 12:09 |
BartJol | mmm strange that the servers go down when JT's on holiday, coincidence? | 12:19 |
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@preaction | BartJol, i don't believe in coincidences. it's his pure STRENGTH OF WILL that keeps the servers in line. | 12:22 |
@preaction | they just don't Fear me enough... | 12:22 |
@preaction | but it's now 4:30am and I haven't slept well in days... so maybe I can get in a few hours before I have to figure out what we can do with Dusk but without www.plainblack.com and our shared hosting server... :p | 12:23 |
BartJol | good luck | 12:23 |
BartJol | and sleep wel preaction | 12:23 |
@preaction | had a good idea: move files to another server in case dusk goes back down! | 12:23 |
BartJol | backups are alwaus good | 12:24 |
@preaction | dusk is the backup server. the problem was it went down ;P | 12:26 |
BartJol | ah, didn't know that | 12:27 |
@preaction | anyway. maybe sleep. hope the other side of the pond is less interesting ;-) | 12:28 |
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ckotil | did JT pass by the datacenter on his way out? | 16:13 |
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BartJol | ckotil, it's the other way around preaction told me, the servers neeed JT's karma aura | 16:21 |
ckotil | yeah | 16:22 |
* ckotil jokes | 16:22 |
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Radix__ | no, they need JT's "fear of god" presence to keep in line. | 16:35 |
BartJol | well karma or fear aura, JT should have left some more with Graham | 16:44 |
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SDuensin | Morning! | 16:54 |
BartJol | webgui.org is up! | 17:10 |
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perlDreamer | should I be worried that the Poll on webgui.org is showing data that is one week old? | 17:55 |
@tavisto | gah | 17:57 |
perlDreamer | note, there's a smaller version of the planet forum page: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html | 17:59 |
BartJol | mm lot of things going up in smoke lately | 18:06 |
BartJol | the faculty of architectre in Delft too | 18:06 |
BartJol | perlDreamer, how's you back? | 18:07 |
-!- apeiron changed the topic of #webgui to: [ WebGUI 7.4.35-stable / 7.5.10-beta | WRE 0.8.3 ] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | Find JT and PB at YAPC::NA, buy tickets now! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008 | Datacenter status: http://forums.theplanet.com/lofiversion/index.php/t90185.html Be patient, it's been Slashdotted. | 18:10 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer++ Thanks. :) | 18:10 |
perlDreamer | BartJol: better but healing. | 18:11 |
BartJol | well, take it easy then | 18:11 |
perlDreamer | But I can pick up my kids, sleep at night and do the necessary home maintenance | 18:11 |
perlDreamer | so I'm not complaining :) | 18:11 |
BartJol | and write tests | 18:12 |
BartJol | ? | 18:12 |
perlDreamer | oh yes, test writing and Shop hacking | 18:14 |
BartJol | ok, then you should be ok :) | 18:15 |
nuba | whoa, hot stuff @ theplanet, huh? | 18:23 |
@apeiron | Yes indeed. | 18:24 |
perlDreamer | nothing like an electrical explosion to warm things up | 18:24 |
nuba | yeah. i was reading the other day about how data centers, and the internet, in general, contributes to global warming | 18:27 |
nuba | i guess it can be said this one contributes a little more than the rest | 18:28 |
nuba | http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/05/excellent-report-on-internet-data.html | 18:29 |
perlDreamer | brb | 18:30 |
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topsub | hello, i have a question about the security, how can you have someone able to edit and add new assets under lets say a folder? | 19:25 |
topsub | we have a folder called "pdfs" and we created a group for these users who we want to do this but we dont' want them to be able to mess with the asset tree and such | 19:25 |
perlDreamer | topsub: you have to find a way to make sure that 1) they can add files to the folder, but 2) aren't allowed to turn on admin | 19:27 |
perlDreamer | I think you can modify the default Folder template to accomodate that | 19:27 |
topsub | hmm | 19:28 |
topsub | on the folder i said "who can edit" publication editor" ( name of the group i created for these users ) | 19:28 |
topsub | so they can edit any pdfs fine. but not able to add file assets to this folder. does that mean i need to beef up there group or something? | 19:29 |
perlDreamer | topsub: I'm guessing that the template, and not the perl code, is stopping your users from adding folders. | 19:33 |
topsub | ah | 19:33 |
topsub | hmm maybe not because when i go to add a file asset it saying permission denied | 19:34 |
topsub | i have an interface that creates my URL for me | 19:35 |
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topsub | I believe i just need to figure out what says who can add assets and what says they can edit | 19:37 |
topsub | they have a drop down list for edit files but not for adding files under the asset | 19:37 |
topsub | hmm if i add the user to "Secondary Admins" they are not able to add assets. | 19:39 |
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perlDreamer | topsub: try adding your "publication editor" group to the Asset Add Privileges section in the WebGUI config file. Then restart apache and see how you fare. | 20:14 |
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+MrHairgrease | hey, pb.com is back | 22:54 |
@preaction | a neutered version, but the real frozen is back so we'll be switching back over shortly | 22:58 |
@preaction | so then we'll have SVN and all our other services back | 22:58 |
@tavisto | doug, I told you putting that slip n' slide in the server room was a bad idea... | 23:13 |
@preaction | tavisto, not my fault you got too drunk to slip n' slide and you started run n' ram instead | 23:15 |
@tavisto | those transformers were talking smack | 23:16 |
@preaction | i still have no idea how that thing exploded after you spilled your martini on it. i mean wow | 23:16 |
@tavisto | now give me my bottle back | 23:16 |
@preaction | you can get your bottle back after you pry the pieces out of the building next door | 23:16 |
@tavisto | too much work.. time for www.beerdelivered.com | 23:16 |
+MrHairgrease | did I hear beer? | 23:17 |
+MrHairgrease | good idea! | 23:17 |
@tavisto | damn, was hoping that service and website existed... | 23:17 |
@preaction | don't click, it's not real | 23:17 |
@tavisto | unfortunately it doesn't... (atleast at that URL) | 23:17 |
@preaction | you got my hopes up... prepare to die! | 23:17 |
@apeiron | bah, squatter | 23:17 |
@tavisto | nooooooo! | 23:17 |
@apeiron | preaction, 3, 2, 1, sudo ping -f! | 23:17 |
@apeiron | tavisto, You have no chance to survive, make your Freenode cloak. | 23:18 |
@tavisto | wait a minute.. there's hope! | 23:18 |
@preaction | H4X0R H15 G1B53N! | 23:18 |
@tavisto | www.beerrightnow.com | 23:18 |
@tavisto | although, if MrHairGrease goes there then you can kiss productivity goodbye | 23:18 |
@tavisto | for a week. | 23:18 |
* MrHairgrease already has beer right now | 23:19 |
+MrHairgrease | how does that hamper your productivity | 23:19 |
+MrHairgrease | for a week | 23:19 |
@tavisto | it doesn't when you only have 1, or 5 | 23:19 |
+MrHairgrease | i still don't get the connection | 23:20 |
+MrHairgrease | now if you were to go with me | 23:20 |
+MrHairgrease | that's a different story... | 23:20 |
@tavisto | I'm saying that you consume a lot of beer already, and if it was delivered to your door... you wouldn't be sober enough to code :) | 23:22 |
+MrHairgrease | i don't drink that much at home | 23:23 |
+MrHairgrease | i just imply that to keep up the eurotrash appeal | 23:23 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 23:23 |
perlDreamer | No, he only drinks at the office | 23:24 |
@tavisto | hehe well that's good because drinking at home alone is a great indication that one is an alcoholic | 23:24 |
perlDreamer | that way it doesn't interfere with his coding | 23:24 |
@tavisto | I should say binge drinking alone at home | 23:24 |
+MrHairgrease | so you're saying you can only be an alcoholic when you have a binge at home? =) | 23:26 |
@tavisto | uh no.. | 23:26 |
* MrHairgrease tries very hard to not understand tavis, just to mess with him | 23:27 |
@tavisto | dont make me come over there.. | 23:27 |
+MrHairgrease | wat du fak!?!? | 23:28 |
@tavisto | :) | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | i hope the railroad union will also be in madison in the end of august | 23:28 |
+MrHairgrease | I'll forever associate the wuc with guys wearing denim form head to toe... | 23:29 |
@tavisto | oh dear god | 23:31 |
@tavisto | I have to say that guy was entertaining.. I honestly think you guys just come to the WUC for the stories. | 23:31 |
+MrHairgrease | are there other reasons to go? | 23:32 |
+MrHairgrease | I better know so I can warn the other 12 Dutch people coming along | 23:33 |
perlDreamer | It's always cool to see Frank drunk, or hung-over. | 23:33 |
+MrHairgrease | or hear jt ask him through the phone " Frank, why are you still alive?" | 23:34 |
+MrHairgrease | =) | 23:34 |
@tavisto | hehe Frank the Tank is my hero. | 23:34 |
+MrHairgrease | mine too | 23:34 |
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+MrHairgrease | yay, there a thunderstorm right in front of my window | 23:37 |
+MrHairgrease | pretty cool sight | 23:37 |
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perlDreamer | tavis, you business-type yayhoo | 23:51 |
perlDreamer | it's taken me two days to register for OSCON as an attender | 23:51 |
perlDreamer | actually, it's not your fault | 23:51 |
perlDreamer | It's O'Reilly | 23:51 |
perlDreamer | They're not using the EMS, so they're system will only let you have one kind of ticket | 23:52 |
perlDreamer | Once I was entered in as an exhibitor, then I couldn't also register for the conference | 23:52 |
perlDreamer | unless y'all paid for it | 23:52 |
+MrHairgrease | talking about business yayhoos | 23:53 |
+MrHairgrease | tavis, when is the oqapi success thingy ghoing to be placed? | 23:54 |
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perlDreamer | WebGUI, this is Houston. You are cleared for SVN. | 00:01 |
@preaction | Roger, Houston. Confirmed Go for SVN. | 00:01 |
+MrHairgrease | houston, has a problem | 00:03 |
+MrHairgrease | webgui.org goes to plainblack.com | 00:04 |
+MrHairgrease | www.webgui.org works ok btw | 00:04 |
@preaction | dns propagation probably. we had to hijack the real records to put up the outage message, and then put up the clone of frozen | 00:05 |
+MrHairgrease | ok | 00:06 |
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perlDreamer | nice tests, apeiron | 00:33 |
perlDreamer | Where do they get cleaned up at the end of the test? | 00:33 |
@apeiron | Where, in Asset.t? | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | yeah | 00:34 |
@apeiron | They're under a version tag, $versionTag4 . | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | I see | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | I'm used to seeing the versionTag getting commited | 00:34 |
@apeiron | hrm. That was an omission on my part--is there any reason to commit it specifically? | 00:35 |
perlDreamer | I don't think so, although sometimes addChild will puke on a parent in the wrong state | 00:36 |
@apeiron | The tests run, pass, and leave a pristine asset tree afterwards, if those are your concerns. | 00:36 |
@apeiron | ah. | 00:36 |
perlDreamer | but that was before the commit change | 00:36 |
perlDreamer | WebGUI, this is Houston. We confirm reception of SVN data. | 00:47 |
perlDreamer | It's good that you're back online. | 00:47 |
perlDreamer | is pb.com email working? | 00:51 |
@tavisto | yeah | 01:01 |
@tavisto | we have a separate mail solution not hosted at the planet | 01:01 |
@tavisto | MrHairGrease, do you know if existing products will be migrated into the new e-commerce engine in 7.5.11? | 01:02 |
perlDreamer | tavisto: They will. | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | it works now | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | I used one of Tiffany's stores to test it out :) | 01:03 |
@tavisto | seriously? | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | yeah | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | I emailed her, and she said sure | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | so I got a dump of her db | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | and practiced upgrading | 01:03 |
@tavisto | oh okay | 01:03 |
@tavisto | how did it go?! | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | Clean. | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | very nice | 01:03 |
@tavisto | wow | 01:03 |
@tavisto | that makes me feel good considering I'm probably going to have to do that for amla | 01:04 |
@tavisto | how about the templates used in the checkout.. are there a ton of new ones now? | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | you'll need to ask rizen about that | 01:04 |
@apeiron | No, Tavis, it worked for pd because he applied special pd magic. | 01:04 |
@apeiron | You'll have to slog through it. | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | but, if he was as thorough as he had me do, then it should end up being just fine | 01:05 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, btw I did receive your email, looking at it now | 01:05 |
@tavisto | What the hell... Chris are you still here? I thought Kaleb fired you already | 01:05 |
perlDreamer | okay, I am a notorious kibitzer so tell me to jump in a hole if I'm out of line. | 01:05 |
@tavisto | you were a bad gopher! | 01:06 |
perlDreamer | Fine, I'll go talk with Isaac and Julie then. Maybe Captain Stubing will let me steer the ship for a while. | 01:07 |
@apeiron | pfft | 01:07 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer++ | 01:07 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, karma tavisto | 01:07 |
@apeiron | er | 01:07 |
@apeiron | perlbot, karma tavisto | 01:07 |
perlbot | tavisto doesn't have any karma | 01:07 |
+MrHairgrease | perlbot karma perldreamer | 01:10 |
perlbot | Karma for perldreamer: 26 | 01:10 |
+MrHairgrease | perlbot karma mrhairgrease | 01:11 |
perlbot | Karma for mrhairgrease: 3 | 01:11 |
+MrHairgrease | hmmm | 01:11 |
+MrHairgrease | perlbot karma rizen | 01:11 |
perlbot | Karma for rizen: 3 | 01:11 |
+MrHairgrease | haha | 01:11 |
+MrHairgrease | it seems i'm not doing too bad after all | 01:11 |
@apeiron | perlbot, karma preaction | 01:11 |
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perlbot | Karma for preaction: 19 | 01:11 |
@apeiron | .. heh | 01:11 |
@apeiron | perlbot, karma apeiron | 01:11 |
perlbot | Karma for apeiron: 68 | 01:11 |
@apeiron | <3 | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | apeiron: tavisto has no karma | 01:14 |
perlDreamer | He is a karma sinkhole | 01:15 |
@apeiron | tavisto-- # now he's not | 01:15 |
@tavisto | rizen only has 3 karma so I dont feel bad | 01:16 |
@apeiron | You have -1. | 01:16 |
@tavisto | how the crap do you earn karma in here | 01:16 |
@tavisto | and if Chris has it then I dont want it | 01:16 |
perlDreamer | karma is awarded by others for doing cool things | 01:16 |
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perlDreamer | obviously, apeiron is cooler than thee | 01:16 |
@tavisto | must be earned by driving around in a kidnapper van offering candy to neighborhood kids | 01:17 |
@tavisto | shame on you apeiron | 01:17 |
@apeiron | What? pfft. I'm lazy. I'd sooner just offer it Halloween style. | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | preaction: that is some nasty i18n namespace | 01:19 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6546 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): | 01:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: added: Two new approval activities, byLineage and byCommitterGroup | 01:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: added: Show a message to users when they log in | 01:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Gallery search form doesn't work right in IE6 | 01:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Minor bug in new gallery approval handling | 01:21 |
perlDreamer | https://sourceforge.net/community/cca08-badge?project_name=WebGUI&project_url=http://www.webgui.org/wg/contribute | 01:28 |
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perlDreamer | Go nominate WebGUI | 01:36 |
@apeiron | yay, login to nominate | 01:36 |
@apeiron | Like I remember the sf.net userid I never use. =\ | 01:36 |
@apeiron | ick. | 01:38 |
@apeiron | sf.net-- # requiring me to create an ID even after I logged in via OpenID... isn't that the *entire* *point* of OpenID? | 01:38 |
perlDreamer | the things we do to promote WebGUI | 01:39 |
perlDreamer | actually, wouldn't wG do the same thing? | 01:42 |
perlDreamer | it might authenticate you remotely, but you still need a valid userId/account | 01:42 |
@apeiron | Oh. Right. | 01:44 |
@apeiron | I'm misremembering what OpenID is for. | 01:44 |
@apeiron | "we're not an authentication layer!" and all that. Despite being *exactly* like one *in* *every* *respect*. | 01:44 |
perlDreamer | well, it _would_ be nice if it made the account for you and prepopulated it with your openId creds/info | 01:44 |
perlDreamer | cap10morgan: are you listening? :) | 01:44 |
@apeiron | heh. But sf isn't that smart. | 01:44 |
@apeiron | (which is why I never use SF, that and the fact that its SCMs are down more than they're up) | 01:45 |
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cap10morgan | perlDreamer: heh | 01:45 |
cap10morgan | i am now! | 01:45 |
cap10morgan | apeiron: openid is an identification service, not authentication | 01:45 |
perlDreamer | so for the wG openId plug-in, does it make you create an account after first login? | 01:45 |
@apeiron | cap10morgan, Yeah, except for the fact that it looks and acts just like authentication in every way. :) | 01:45 |
cap10morgan | auth is still handled by the thing you're trying to get yourself auth'd into | 01:46 |
perlDreamer | cap10morgan: (asking ignorantly); What's the difference? | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | apeiron, it's nearly always used in an authentication situation | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | that's why | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | perlDreamer: here's how it works... | 01:46 |
@apeiron | "name and password" to me indicates "authentication". | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | you go to a site, it asks you to login | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | now, there's two things it's trying to check: | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | 1. you are who you say you are (identification) | 01:46 |
cap10morgan | 2. you're allowed to login and do stuff (authentication) | 01:47 |
@apeiron | Heh. I've always heard 1 referred to as authentication. | 01:47 |
@apeiron | And whether you're allowed to do things is authorization. | 01:47 |
@apeiron | yay overloading terminology in related fields! | 01:47 |
cap10morgan | apeiron: err, that's probably right | 01:47 |
cap10morgan | :) | 01:47 |
cap10morgan | yeah, that makes more sense given the words anyway | 01:48 |
cap10morgan | far as i understood, openid was only authentication, not authorization (using the better terms) | 01:48 |
cap10morgan | but are they claiming they are *not* authentication somewhere? | 01:48 |
perlDreamer | cap10morgan: Does WebGUI have an "authorization" for login rights? | 01:49 |
cap10morgan | the fact that you have an account, i would guess | 01:50 |
cap10morgan | normally w/ openid, you still have to register your openid at a particular place before it grants you authorization | 01:50 |
cap10morgan | (or be granted by the admin, or whatever the policy is for that site / service) | 01:51 |
@apeiron | bleh. I know I've seen somewhere that a page said "we're *not* an authentication layer". | 01:51 |
@apeiron | Trying to find such. | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | they're not _authentication_ | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | d'oh! | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | sorry, mixing my terms again | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | hahahaha | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | apeiron: let me know if you find it | 01:51 |
perlDreamer | no, it makes sense now. I might have a VISA card saying I'm Donald Trump, but that doesn't work in an AMEX only store. | 01:51 |
cap10morgan | yep | 01:52 |
@apeiron | Despite the fact that it acts exactly like authentication, it's not. And that's confusing. | 01:52 |
@apeiron | (when I say "it acts exactly like authentication", I mean strictly from the user perspective: enter your username and password) | 01:53 |
cap10morgan | well, i think it _is_ authentication | 01:53 |
cap10morgan | i'd be very surprised if they were claiming they weren't | 01:54 |
@apeiron | heh | 01:59 |
@apeiron | http://simonwillison.net/2007/Jan/10/account/ | 01:59 |
@apeiron | "Just treat it as an alternative to a traditional username and password and you can't go wrong." | 02:00 |
@apeiron | .... well... obviously I *have*... | 02:00 |
@apeiron | http://www.openid.org/ "Log into sites such as LiveJournal, [...]" | 02:02 |
@apeiron | That's not helping the matter. | 02:02 |
@apeiron | Hmm. Apparently OpenID 2.0 will let you log in. | 02:07 |
@apeiron | ... which, er, isn't that not the point of the original OpenID? | 02:08 |
* apeiron is very confused. oO | 02:08 |
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@preaction | openID 1.0 was just identification, not authentication. the system is only as strong as its weakest point | 02:41 |
@preaction | and OpenID 1.0 was the weak point: Someone who professes to own THISURL made this post | 02:41 |
@apeiron | heh | 02:41 |
@apeiron | So in other words the OpenID developers basically created a system that was fail by design. | 02:42 |
@preaction | not really, it wasn't design for authentication. it was just for the blogosphere | 02:42 |
@preaction | but then YADIS came and OpenID became part of that and people wanted more, authentication, profiles, personal data exchange | 02:43 |
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metanil | i need an idea.. i want to add additional information while creating files.. like author, description, DocumentID, RefID.. and other info as well. | 04:08 |
@apeiron | File assets, yes? | 04:08 |
metanil | would creating new asset similar to Asset::File is ok? | 04:08 |
@apeiron | That's what I would suggest, yes, though perhaps the more experienced here may have a better idea. | 04:09 |
metanil | hmm... (i am thinking of creating one then).. | 04:10 |
@preaction | if you are, see about using 7.5. the Asset::File is easier to subclass in that one | 04:15 |
patspam | is it just me or is webgui.org 50% faster post outage? | 04:45 |
@preaction | just you. it's still the same box. maybe not too many people are using it | 05:06 |
patspam | maybe it needed a day of rest? | 05:11 |
@preaction | at my expense? that was selfish of it... | 05:17 |
@preaction | i oughta teach it a lesson by making it blow up again | 05:17 |
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perlDreamer | svn is down again? | 06:54 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, possibly. graham is switching the temporary frozen back to the old frozen | 06:58 |
perlDreamer | tough day | 07:03 |
perlDreamer | my IRC password gets changed/rejected | 07:03 |
perlDreamer | no SVN | 07:03 |
perlDreamer | what happens next? | 07:03 |
@preaction | svn server just isn't running, but i don't want to mess with it | 07:04 |
@preaction | our datacenter explodes? | 07:04 |
@preaction | that would suck | 07:04 |
perlDreamer | ah | 07:04 |
perlDreamer | already happened :) | 07:04 |
@preaction | hmm... what else is there? | 07:04 |
perlDreamer | tavisto shaves his head? | 07:04 |
@preaction | good lord... the world would impode on itself | 07:05 |
perlDreamer | frank and jt and chris and kaleb and steve and graham all quit? | 07:05 |
@preaction | as long as i have vrby, i think we can manage | 07:06 |
@preaction | they're albatrosses, weighing me down man | 07:06 |
perlDreamer | it's hard to fly like an eagle, when you're stuck with albatrosses | 07:07 |
@tavisto | what the | 07:09 |
@tavisto | don't make me come down there | 07:09 |
@preaction | who the? | 07:09 |
perlDreamer | where the? | 07:12 |
@preaction | HOW | 07:12 |
perlDreamer | Something has really been bothering me for a while | 07:14 |
perlDreamer | How does Hawkman fly in outer space, where there's no air? | 07:14 |
@preaction | telekinesis | 07:16 |
@preaction | solar wind | 07:16 |
perlDreamer | bean burritos | 07:16 |
@preaction | so lunar wind? | 07:16 |
@preaction | i mean, it comes from where the sun don't shine | 07:16 |
+Radix-wrk | you have wierd thoughts pd | 07:18 |
@tavisto | wow I can't believe this hockey game... triple overtime now | 07:19 |
@tavisto | preaction, I just got off a conference call with amla and we're going to push through the upgrade | 07:19 |
@preaction | uh... huh? they're on 7.4.21? | 07:20 |
+Radix-wrk | doesn't hockey have the concept of a tied game? or is this a grand final or something? | 07:20 |
@tavisto | not in the playoffs | 07:20 |
@tavisto | if Detroit wins... they win the stanley cup | 07:20 |
perlDreamer | tavisto, if you're talking to 7.5, I think that would not be wise. | 07:20 |
@preaction | i would agree with the wise Dreamer | 07:21 |
perlDreamer | we'll be testing for at least another month, maybe longer due to this outage | 07:21 |
@tavisto | wait a sec... are you saying | 07:22 |
perlDreamer | 7.5.11 is not ready for prime time yet | 07:22 |
@preaction | if they have travelled past 7.4.21, they cannot go to 7.5.anything yet | 07:22 |
@tavisto | oh dear God when does this end | 07:22 |
perlDreamer | In July | 07:23 |
@tavisto | they're already on the beta server | 07:23 |
@tavisto | for PB | 07:23 |
perlDreamer | that's fine, they're on 7.5.10 | 07:23 |
@tavisto | yeah | 07:23 |
perlDreamer | It's just the commerce stuff, Shop | 07:23 |
@tavisto | it's been working okay | 07:23 |
@preaction | what's "push through the upgrade" then? | 07:23 |
perlDreamer | 7.5.10 will work fine | 07:23 |
perlDreamer | yeah! | 07:23 |
@tavisto | to 7.5.11 | 07:23 |
@preaction | when it's released, you mean? | 07:23 |
@tavisto | yeah, june 12th | 07:23 |
@tavisto | it's been applied right? | 07:23 |
@tavisto | or has that been pushed back | 07:24 |
@preaction | applied? | 07:24 |
@tavisto | installed on beta | 07:24 |
@preaction | no | 07:24 |
@preaction | we don't install anything that isn't released | 07:24 |
@tavisto | is 7.5.11 going on plain black's beta server on june 12th still? | 07:24 |
perlDreamer | rizen doesn't even get back until the 12th, right? | 07:24 |
@tavisto | Graham told me june 12th | 07:25 |
@preaction | 9th | 07:25 |
perlDreamer | it will take longer than three days to 1) Finish up tests, 2) Fix currently broken tests 3) Do user level testing | 07:25 |
@tavisto | I would be very happy if we decided to wait to install it on PB's beta server to a later date | 07:25 |
@preaction | tavisto, that's probably correct, but that's Graham's pidgeon, so he's the authority there | 07:25 |
@tavisto | well the plan is that on June 12th the upgrade will take place and then AMLA's current SQL reports and e-commerce process will break | 07:26 |
@tavisto | AMLA will pay PB to fix the SQL report (the one you saw doug( | 07:26 |
perlDreamer | tavisto, should you be talking about that on a public channel? | 07:27 |
@tavisto | and then I'll be working with one of their peeps to fix/tweak/change the current e-commerce process into a working one with the new e-commerce system | 07:27 |
@tavisto | I dont see why it matters | 07:27 |
@tavisto | upgrade strategy needs feedback :) | 07:28 |
@preaction | tavisto, this place is logged | 07:28 |
@tavisto | okay? | 07:28 |
@preaction | i dunno either | 07:28 |
@tavisto | so are you guys telling me that you don't think this is going to | 07:28 |
@tavisto | be a good idea to push thru with this upgrade... or do you think I should backup their site and jump to a VPS for 3 months | 07:29 |
@preaction | i think it's a good idea to keep going with the upgrade, i just forgot what you meant | 07:29 |
perlDreamer | I think the date needs to be pushed back. We haven't had SVN access for 3 days. | 07:29 |
@preaction | as far as i'm concerned, the feature freeze is pushed back for the time being | 07:30 |
@tavisto | are you guys going to voice that opinion then to Rizen/Graham? | 07:30 |
perlDreamer | Haarg: We haven't had consistent SVN access for over 3 days. I think the release date needs to be pushed back. | 07:30 |
@tavisto | hehe | 07:30 |
@preaction | i'm going to be working on gallery bugs and the new asset manager until the release | 07:30 |
@tavisto | LOL he's been quiet I know | 07:30 |
perlDreamer | preaction: I have failing Gallery and Utility tests when I run the suite on my laptop | 07:31 |
perlDreamer | did I already email that to you? | 07:31 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, yeah, i'll be getting to that tomorrow if i'm not preempted by server problems or client problems | 07:32 |
@preaction | maybe i'll have time to figure out why the hell the test server is dead | 07:32 |
@tavisto | what the crap doug e fresh... making code with bugs? I thought you were better than that | 07:32 |
@preaction | oh, did you want a login? i can make you one real quick | 07:32 |
perlDreamer | gotta crash out. More hacking tomorrow. | 07:33 |
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metanil | $asset->get('size'); will return the file size .. isn't it? | 07:37 |
@preaction | get('assetSize') i think | 07:39 |
@preaction | not just the file size, the size of the whole storage location. so it may not be 100% accurate | 07:39 |
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BartJol | he preaction how are the rest of the servers doing, don't see the api or i18n yet? Just for curiosity, not to be a irritating person that keeps nagging... | 11:58 |
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BartJol | is the one called bepo here? | 12:49 |
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BartJol | still no bepo? | 15:51 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:13 |
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slickware | hey all | 16:19 |
slickware | 'morning | 16:19 |
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BartJol | morning | 16:25 |
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BartJol | no bepo yet? | 16:49 |
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slickware | anyone here that can give some advice on a template issue I am having | 18:57 |
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wgGuest16 | what is the irc server for this channel? I'm connected through the java and I'd prefer to use my own client | 20:56 |
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Giant81 | I'm about to connect to the webinar, but I didn't receive the login info I thought I was supposed to | 20:59 |
Giant81 | can anyone here help me? | 20:59 |
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bopbop | wgGuest16: https://na1.connect.acrobat.com/plainblack | 21:09 |
bopbop | sorry, that was for wgGuest81 | 21:09 |
Giant81 | no problems... thank you | 21:10 |
Giant81 | i'm connected now, but its pretty slow | 21:10 |
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@apeiron | Giant81, This is irc.freenode.net in case you didn't know. | 21:56 |
@preaction | you cannot escape freenode's influence on the FOSS world. | 22:01 |
@preaction | SUBMIT | 22:01 |
@preaction | SUBMIT | 22:01 |
perlDreamer | I just want my password back. | 22:01 |
perlDreamer | oh, and SVN | 22:03 |
perlDreamer | maybe some money, too | 22:03 |
perlDreamer | not much | 22:03 |
perlDreamer | just a couple of 100K$ | 22:04 |
slickware | someone giving out money? | 22:04 |
slickware | i'll take some | 22:04 |
perlDreamer | and I want a picture of a "kitteh" | 22:05 |
slickware | i'm not as greedy as perlDreamer though. like 50k$ is fine with me | 22:05 |
slickware | kittehies we gots. www.slickware.net/kitteh.jpg | 22:06 |
perlDreamer | ah, well how about a war kitteh? | 22:18 |
ckotil | perlDreamer: the thging about SVN and passwords is, it will store your password in a plain text file in yur home dir. | 22:19 |
perlDreamer | ckotil: freenode has changed my password without telling me | 22:19 |
ckotil | thats no good. | 22:19 |
perlDreamer | no | 22:20 |
perlDreamer | how are things in the NOC? | 22:20 |
ckotil | pretty good | 22:21 |
ckotil | We're trying to put a huge flashing light in the NOC for when an alarm event happens | 22:22 |
ckotil | but i doubt the service desk would go for that | 22:22 |
slickware | GM is considering selling off the Hummer brand | 22:22 |
ckotil | they're closing a few plants too | 22:22 |
slickware | Mr. Wagoner, chief exec of GM, stated that this the possible sale of the Hummer line will also include the introduction of many new vehicles including the new sporty Teabag, the gas sipping Rimmer, the family friendly Menage' mini-van and the Chaps pick-up (with an open backside). | 22:22 |
slickware | that made my day - I had to forward it along :-D | 22:23 |
ckotil | heh | 22:23 |
perlDreamer | ckotil: I recommend visiting a truck stop to get the light. You can get some sweet lookin' 12V replacement lights for trucks there. | 22:28 |
perlDreamer | Get one that doubles as a signal/marker light and you can have two colors :) | 22:29 |
perlDreamer | then, you can pick up/hack up a high current driver to handle the load of the light and enable the driver with a low current pin off of a parallel port. | 22:30 |
ckotil | yeah, we would need about 8 colors | 22:30 |
ckotil | yah, that would be awsome | 22:30 |
slickware | hey all - I have a templating question that i've been headaching over all day | 22:33 |
perlDreamer | okay | 22:33 |
slickware | I'm the reject that's still hung up on v5.x so this is probably a stupid question | 22:34 |
slickware | (trying to learn 7) | 22:34 |
slickware | I've followed the community wiki on creating your own template/style | 22:34 |
slickware | I created a /root/themes folder | 22:34 |
slickware | but for some reason, it didn't show up the first time I created it. So I created another one, and now there is only one Themes folder, but it is telling me the path to it is /root/themes2 | 22:35 |
slickware | I can't see an other one to delete it, and now all the paths to the files IN that folder are incorrect | 22:35 |
perlDreamer | slickware: do you have any pending version tags? | 22:36 |
slickware | I turned off versioning - I hate it | 22:36 |
slickware | haha | 22:36 |
slickware | I basically run a single user webgui, so I don't want/need it | 22:36 |
perlDreamer | well, here's the deal, you really do have two themes folders | 22:37 |
slickware | i'm sure I do | 22:37 |
perlDreamer | if you request a URL that is in use, WebGUI will change the URL so that it's unique | 22:37 |
slickware | here's a second question then - | 22:37 |
slickware | how can I fix the contents of the "new" folder so that their paths are correct? even if I try to access them at /themes2/images/name.jpg, they still don't work | 22:38 |
slickware | is there some way to recursively re-populate the URLs for the contents of a folder? | 22:38 |
perlDreamer | do you mean /root/themes2/images/name.jpg? | 22:38 |
slickware | yeah | 22:38 |
ckotil | you can recursively re populate urls via the batch edit. | 22:39 |
slickware | or /root/themes2/themename/images/name.jpg | 22:39 |
slickware | etc | 22:39 |
perlDreamer | well, I would skirt the issue and try to find the original themes folder, using the Asset Manager search function | 22:39 |
perlDreamer | and then move the stuff from themes2 into themes and get rid of themes | 22:39 |
slickware | smart | 22:39 |
slickware | a search only brings up the Themes folder with the themes2 path, however | 22:40 |
perlDreamer | Are you familiar with SQL? | 22:41 |
slickware | yes, but I'd prefer not playing with it | 22:41 |
slickware | ckotil: how do you batch edit? | 22:41 |
perlDreamer | this would just be a query | 22:42 |
perlDreamer | SELECT assetId from assetData where url like '%themes%'; | 22:42 |
ckotil | slickware: ive never used version 5, but in 7 if you click 'More' in the asset manager you will be presented with the batch edit option | 22:43 |
slickware | I am using 7 | 22:43 |
ckotil | ok cool | 22:43 |
slickware | I was just stating that i'm used to 5 | 22:43 |
slickware | i'm assuming I want "edit branch" | 22:44 |
perlDreamer | Yeah | 22:44 |
ckotil | :x | 22:44 |
slickware | no clue what my params should be though | 22:44 |
ckotil | batch, branch | 22:44 |
ckotil | yeah, its very tricky | 22:44 |
slickware | specified base/parent URL? | 22:44 |
ckotil | do you have a test instance? | 22:44 |
slickware | I want to love v7... but it's so hard | 22:44 |
slickware | haha | 22:44 |
ckotil | you might play around with it on the demo server | 22:44 |
slickware | this is basically a demo | 22:44 |
slickware | it's my learn-to-use-it demo | 22:45 |
nuba | shouldnt complain, at least its hard | 22:46 |
slickware | I get enough emails for 80% off viagra, even if it wasn't hard, I wouldn't have an issue | 22:47 |
nuba | lol | 22:47 |
slickware | man I wish this had a description | 22:47 |
slickware | i've managed to erase my path, then make it /root/root/root/themes, and now everything is on its own level | 22:48 |
perlDreamer | slickware, what do you wish had a description? | 22:48 |
slickware | none of which are correct | 22:48 |
slickware | the branch-edit feature | 22:48 |
perlDreamer | Have you tried the wiki? | 22:48 |
perlDreamer | or are you talking about hover help for individual fields in there? | 22:48 |
slickware | I think I got it | 22:49 |
slickware | now everything appears to be appropriately labeled as root/themes2/foldernames | 22:49 |
slickware | so now - when building a template, should my image paths be: | 22:50 |
slickware | domain.com/themes2/theme/images | 22:50 |
slickware | or | 22:50 |
slickware | domain.com/home/themes2/theme/images ? | 22:50 |
perlDreamer | neither | 22:50 |
slickware | lol | 22:50 |
slickware | ok | 22:50 |
slickware | the wiki seems to imply the latter | 22:50 |
perlDreamer | you just said the base url is /root/themes2 | 22:51 |
slickware | yes | 22:51 |
slickware | which is where the wiki recommends putting your themes folder | 22:51 |
perlDreamer | so, it would be /root/themes2/theme/images | 22:51 |
slickware | so domain.com/root/themes2/etc... | 22:51 |
perlDreamer | if that's where you put it | 22:51 |
slickware | I thought you didn't actually have to name the 'root' folder | 22:51 |
perlDreamer | it depends on what you set the URL to | 22:51 |
perlDreamer | remember that URLs in WebGUI are not tied to hierarchy | 22:52 |
slickware | I remember, frustratingly | 22:52 |
perlDreamer | you can have a folder /here containing a second folder called /there | 22:52 |
perlDreamer | both top level URLs, but different hierarchy | 22:52 |
slickware | right | 22:52 |
slickware | so I literally include the entire URL that I see in the asset manager | 22:52 |
slickware | i'm going to edit that damn wiki later | 22:53 |
slickware | it doesn't help that none of the graphics on it work anymore | 22:53 |
slickware | oh fabulous it works... woo | 22:55 |
perlDreamer | the asset manager doesn't show you URLs, it shows you hierarchy in the crumb trail | 22:55 |
slickware | I know - but they are called URLs | 22:55 |
Giant81 | has anyone tried to install on ubuntu 8.04? | 22:55 |
slickware | in the manager | 22:55 |
Giant81 | I tried the forums but didn't find anybody having problems | 22:55 |
perlDreamer | preaction: I tried to use Manage from the editing toolbar and got an invalid operation. | 22:56 |
slickware | giant81: i'm running 7.10 and didn't have issues using the WRE | 22:56 |
Giant81 | either that is a good thing and noone is having problems and it works... or noone is using it in which case there could be issues | 22:57 |
Giant81 | I need to download mysql and apache before I use the wre | 22:57 |
perlDreamer | the wre has those in it | 22:57 |
perlDreamer | already | 22:57 |
slickware | yeah | 22:58 |
Giant81 | ahh ok | 22:58 |
slickware | you can literally install ubuntu, do an apt-get update, and install the WRE | 22:58 |
slickware | optionally installing something like webmin if you so desire | 22:59 |
perlDreamer | and in Debian, you can apt-get install webgui | 22:59 |
slickware | debian users have all the fun | 22:59 |
slickware | last question before I go home | 23:09 |
slickware | I've got an "^AdminBar;" tag in my template (without quotes), but no adminbar is showing up | 23:09 |
slickware | all my other macros are ok | 23:10 |
perlDreamer | do you have admin mode turned on? | 23:12 |
slickware | yes (i'm not THAT bad) | 23:12 |
slickware | does it need to be in a specific div tag or be associated with a specific css? | 23:13 |
perlDreamer | I always ask for the low hanging fruit first, I don't mean to insult you. | 23:13 |
slickware | I know - I was mostly joking - I can take it | 23:13 |
perlDreamer | I don't think so. Is it in the page source and just not rendering right? | 23:13 |
slickware | i'll check source | 23:13 |
slickware | <script type="text/javascript"> | 23:14 |
slickware | //<![CDATA[ | 23:14 |
slickware | var slider = new createSlidePanelBar("WebGUIAdminBar"); | 23:14 |
slickware | var panel; | 23:14 |
slickware | i'm assuming that means it's there, and not showing up right | 23:14 |
perlDreamer | yeah, that looks right | 23:14 |
perlDreamer | you must be having a markup clash | 23:14 |
slickware | cool | 23:14 |
slickware | I always liked the Clash | 23:15 |
perlDreamer | yeah, my Perl::Critic policy is running! | 23:15 |
slickware | any idea how to fix that clash? | 23:17 |
perlDreamer | not really | 23:17 |
slickware | heh | 23:17 |
perlDreamer | my web design skills aren't very good. | 23:18 |
perlDreamer | apeiron: I used Path::Class for the first time today and learned a valuable lesson. | 23:21 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Hm? | 23:21 |
perlDreamer | Not all modules stringify arguments before using them :/ | 23:21 |
* apeiron nods | 23:22 |
perlDreamer | but a manual stringify fixed that | 23:22 |
perlDreamer | surprisingly, Perl::Critic runs really fast when it can't find a specified config file :) | 23:22 |
* apeiron snickers. | 23:22 |
perlDreamer | and I'm ready to commit the new, correct-but-slow i18n test using Perl::Critic | 23:23 |
@apeiron | Ah, does it use Path::Class? | 23:23 |
perlDreamer | yes | 23:23 |
slickware | I wish I knew/understood more about CSS... I prefer hard code any day | 23:23 |
perlDreamer | my $label_profile = Path::Class::File->new( WebGUI::Test->root , 't', 'i18n', 'perlcriticrc'); Test::Perl::Critic->import(-profile => $label_profile->stringify); | 23:23 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Very cool, I <3 it. | 23:23 |
slickware | figured it out - you need the tmpl.var for the <head> to be there | 23:24 |
slickware | I just assumed it was for something else and left it out | 23:24 |
perlDreamer | it must preload a bunch of JS and style sheets | 23:24 |
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slickware | ok, seriously last question. what happened to the "change all pages below to this style" option? | 23:36 |
slickware | I want to change the template for my home page and all pages beneath | 23:36 |
perlDreamer | that's in edit branch | 23:37 |
slickware | ok | 23:37 |
slickware | thought you used to be able to do it from the page-edit /display menu | 23:37 |
perlDreamer | Yes, but then the function was generalized and expanded into Edit Branch | 23:38 |
slickware | gotcha | 23:39 |
@preaction | anyone familiar with the commerce Address Book know if the WebGUI::Shop::AddressBook::www_view method is supposed to always have a ?callback query param? | 23:39 |
perlDreamer | sorry, that's a rizen question | 23:41 |
perlDreamer | although it looks like all it does is set some hidden form vars | 23:41 |
BartJol | or a MrHairgrease maybe | 23:41 |
perlDreamer | No, AddressBook is Herr Rizen | 23:41 |
@preaction | yeah, i was trying to help steve make a new template for that, but turns out you can only get to it from the cart | 23:41 |
@preaction | he figured it out though, so no worries, just wondering if i found a problem | 23:41 |
slickware | alright. Thanks everyone. hope the weather is as nice wherever you are as it is in Boston | 23:42 |
slickware | enjoy your afternoons or properly adjusted world-time | 23:42 |
perlDreamer | preaction: potentially a bug. I know he's been kicking it around for general purpose use beyond the Shop. | 23:42 |
* slickware peaces out | 23:42 |
perlDreamer | hack on, slickware | 23:42 |
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BartJol | any idea when the api sit will be up again? | 23:43 |
BartJol | or i18n? | 23:43 |
perlDreamer | BartJol, the hosting company is continuing to have problems | 23:43 |
perlDreamer | now with the temporary equipment failing | 23:43 |
perlDreamer | I have the feeling it's going to be a while | 23:43 |
BartJol | ok | 23:43 |
perlDreamer | SVN is also down | 23:44 |
BartJol | well, a fire is bound to have some impact on their facilities | 23:45 |
perlDreamer | It blew up three walls in the facility | 23:45 |
perlDreamer | PB.com go boom | 23:45 |
perlDreamer | meanwhile, rizen is blissfully unaware on a cruise ship in the North Pacific | 23:45 |
@preaction | we're getting frozen moved to another facility, so we'll hopefully have it soon | 23:46 |
BartJol | Hopefully for him he's unaware | 23:46 |
@preaction | soon being before christmas | 23:46 |
perlDreamer | does frozen host all those functions? | 23:46 |
BartJol | whoa | 23:46 |
@preaction | yes | 23:46 |
BartJol | we have some nice servers too | 23:46 |
perlDreamer | Are they scheduled to blow up, too? | 23:46 |
BartJol | yeah, but only when we host pb | 23:47 |
BartJol | we had enough fires here lately | 23:47 |
BartJol | 4 in 1 month | 23:48 |
perlDreamer | no way! You gotta be kidding! | 23:48 |
BartJol | well, 2 in student houses, one in a hotel and one in the faculty of architecture | 23:49 |
BartJol | the first 3 probably related by a pyromaniac | 23:49 |
BartJol | last one not, that was a short circuit in a coffee machine | 23:50 |
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Giant81 | so webgui is in the repository for debian stable? | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | it's in whatever Lenny is | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/webgui-going-into-debian-lenny | 00:15 |
Giant81 | then no... lenny is testing | 00:16 |
BartJol | but will be stable in time if I understand correctly, but I couldn't find whether the wre installation is included or whether it is only WebGUI itself | 00:24 |
perlDreamer | it's a little of both | 00:24 |
perlDreamer | it includes dependencies on apache, mod_perl, mysql, and the perl modules | 00:25 |
perlDreamer | but it doesn't build a website by default, yet | 00:25 |
BartJol | well, most people won't need that | 00:25 |
perlDreamer | we need SquOnk to give us a tutorial next time he's in here. maybe a wiki page or forum post | 00:25 |
@preaction | it doesn't include the WRE itself, from what i know, squonk is building his own helper scripts for addsite and removesite and such | 00:25 |
BartJol | would be a bit too much maybe | 00:26 |
BartJol | yeah | 00:26 |
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@preaction | i don't know if they're in lenny yet, i think he's waiting for lenny+1 | 00:26 |
BartJol | but if you use a shared webserver only for WebGUI, it probably would be wise to use the wre and install webgui with that? | 00:27 |
@preaction | i still would, because of what the WRE provides | 00:28 |
@preaction | the helper scripts | 00:28 |
@preaction | update scripts | 00:28 |
@preaction | the monitor | 00:28 |
@preaction | the WRE console | 00:28 |
BartJol | they're quite helpfull yes | 00:29 |
@preaction | however, if you're just adding WebGUI to an existing installation (that happens to be on Debian), then "sudo apt-get install webgui" is nice to have | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | Doesn't the WRE claim performance enhancements over your standard, vanilla distribution binaries as well? | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | Stripped down and light-weight | 00:30 |
@preaction | yeah. anything that isnt needed by webgui is removed | 00:31 |
BartJol | I don't deny that, only want to know what way I should go | 00:31 |
BartJol | when installing | 00:31 |
@preaction | imho, for mainly WebGUI server, the WRE. if WebGUI is going to only be a small part, source will probably work fine | 00:31 |
BartJol | well, we're trying to split those now we're going virtual server | 00:33 |
@preaction | so resources are at a premium, i'd go WRE | 00:34 |
BartJol | so we get a webgui-wre combination or something else what the client desires | 00:34 |
@preaction | you'll probably end up tweaking some of the apache settings to keep resource consumption low (especially during idle times) | 00:35 |
BartJol | when a server is dedicated to one WebGUI site, it is a decision whether you waant the build in functions of the wre, but is there a downside of using the wre, performance speaking? | 00:37 |
@preaction | the WRE is tweaked for webgui performance. anything that isn't needed for webgui isn't compiled in. InnoDB in the mysql server, for example | 00:38 |
@preaction | it shaves the memory overhead (which will probably be your bottleneck) | 00:38 |
BartJol | Ok, so I should go into tweaking wre | 00:38 |
BartJol | well | 00:38 |
BartJol | I don't know, just interested, Koen is mostly busy with that kind of issues | 00:39 |
@preaction | your limiting factor, rather. ("Growth is limited by that necessity that is available in the least amount") | 00:39 |
perlDreamer | time | 00:39 |
BartJol | beer? | 00:40 |
@preaction | so 16G of memory in 2G chunks gives you 8 VPS on a box. If you can get away with 1.5G, you can add 3 more VPS on that box | 00:40 |
BartJol | mine is empty | 00:40 |
BartJol | it will depend on the circumstances I understand | 00:41 |
BartJol | how surprising :) | 00:41 |
@preaction | personally, i would go with some sort of clustered system with a NAS for storage, then divide the resources with a VM system. probably a rather large initial expense, but it would be virtually bulletproof | 00:42 |
@preaction | make a clone / backup and put it in a different datacenter (preferably on the other side of the country), and you might be able to avoid just about any catastrophe short of Armageddon | 00:42 |
BartJol | I'm not sure which storage we have for our virtual environment | 00:43 |
* preaction amuses himself by thinking up server architecture | 00:43 |
BartJol | we're working on that system with some nice hgardware | 00:43 |
BartJol | but it goes a bit above m,y understanding | 00:43 |
@apeiron | preaction++ # incidental prodding to finish reading Dune | 00:44 |
BartJol | you can borrow mine | 00:45 |
@preaction | apeiron, how did i do that? | 00:45 |
@apeiron | preaction, <preaction> your limiting factor, rather. ("Growth is limited by that necessity that is available in the least amount") | 00:45 |
BartJol | the first one that is | 00:45 |
@apeiron | That's apparently a Frank Herbert quote. | 00:45 |
BartJol | oh | 00:45 |
BartJol | short memory | 00:45 |
perlDreamer | will PB making changes due to the server snafu? | 00:46 |
@preaction | apeiron, that's a basic law of environmental science, but yes | 00:46 |
perlDreamer | geographic redundancy? | 00:46 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, from what I hear from vrby, we'll be looking at an off-site storage location for backups | 00:46 |
@preaction | the problem was that we couldn't survive both a server going down AND dusk (the current backup system) going down | 00:46 |
@preaction | so with a second, redundant backup, we'll be better able to survive a catastrophe | 00:47 |
perlDreamer | hm. Looks like there are still some false negatives in the Critic policy for labels | 00:49 |
@apeiron | Better than false positives, I'd say, aye? | 00:50 |
perlDreamer | May be some of those, too. | 00:50 |
BartJol | they don't compensate each other? | 00:51 |
perlDreamer | It's been running about 2.5 hours, and it's up to Form and contents | 00:51 |
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perlDreamer | would it be sheer lunacy to try and space out the modules in sbin/testEnvironment.pl? so that modules, versions, and flags were columnar? | 00:57 |
BartJol | I think everyone is baffled by the lunacy of your genius.... | 01:00 |
perlDreamer | must be | 01:00 |
perlDreamer | I've been Warnocked! | 01:01 |
BartJol | I don't have a clue what you're talking about... | 01:01 |
perlDreamer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_Dilemma | 01:01 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: warnock is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warnock%27s_Dilemma | 01:01 |
perlbot | added warnock to the database | 01:01 |
BartJol | Ah, so I almost participate in the warnocking, but stating my ignorance is perventing it | 01:03 |
perlDreamer | yes | 01:06 |
perlDreamer | although, you didn't state whether or not you think it's a good idea or not, so you are Warnocking | 01:06 |
BartJol | well, m,y cluelessness was actually referring to both Warnocking and columnising testEnvironment | 01:07 |
BartJol | bed time for me | 01:42 |
perlDreamer | 'night | 01:42 |
BartJol | thanks | 01:42 |
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@apeiron | Wow, color shots from Phoenix on Mars: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/images/new-latest-images-collection_archive_1.html | 01:57 |
@preaction | it's not red! | 02:10 |
perlDreamer | it's not full of starts either | 02:12 |
perlDreamer | um, stars | 02:12 |
@preaction | that's one of Saturn's moon | 02:12 |
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metanil | i saw this in session::form "A full set of form params just as you'd pass into any of the form controls when building it." . what does it mean? | 02:38 |
metanil | what set of form params? | 02:39 |
metanil | form parameters are the name itself, aren't they? | 02:39 |
perlDreamer | they can also be things like defaults | 02:40 |
perlDreamer | filter settings | 02:40 |
perlDreamer | and so on | 02:40 |
@preaction | basically the arguments you'd use to a WebGUI::Form::Control object | 02:40 |
metanil | oh ok.. | 02:41 |
@preaction | most of the time you don't need them, it can DWYM, but sometimes you need other things, like to pre-select a storageId for a File control | 02:41 |
@preaction | (so it doesn't create yet another one) | 02:41 |
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metanil | sweet | 02:42 |
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@khenn | I've been instructed to ask: | 03:17 |
@khenn | who added the "cancelling commit" nonsense to WebGUI? | 03:18 |
@preaction | cancelling commit? huh? | 03:21 |
@khenn | I don't know, I got an email from JT blaming me for adding "cancelling commit" nonsense to WebGUI | 03:25 |
@khenn | so I'm trying to figure out who did it | 03:25 |
@preaction | i don't even know what it is. | 03:26 |
@khenn | me either | 03:26 |
@khenn | and I can't see svn | 03:26 |
@khenn | so I don't know how he knows | 03:26 |
@preaction | it must've gone in before | 03:27 |
@preaction | or he keeps track of the RSS feed for commits | 03:27 |
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@apeiron | khenn, Do you know which file(s) it's in? | 03:58 |
@khenn | no | 03:58 |
@khenn | all I got was "canelling commit" nonsense | 03:58 |
@preaction | i changed some of how approval worked, but it was with his approval | 04:00 |
@preaction | i'm not seeing anything in the API to cancel a commit | 04:01 |
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perlDreamer | hey, all | 06:19 |
@apeiron | Greetings! | 06:20 |
perlDreamer | khenn, I'm afraid that I'm the person you're looking for | 06:20 |
perlDreamer | cancelling commit is part of an RFE that I put in | 06:20 |
perlDreamer | but rizen approved it | 06:21 |
@preaction | where is it then? what is it? | 06:21 |
@khenn | JT says to email him and explain yourself | 06:21 |
@khenn | oh and you are supposed to undo it | 06:21 |
perlDreamer | I can't undo it | 06:21 |
perlDreamer | no SVN | 06:21 |
@khenn | I guess I'd email him first if he approved it | 06:21 |
perlDreamer | preaction, check out Operation/VersionTag, line 310 | 06:21 |
perlDreamer | It's part of a handling problems with spectre | 06:22 |
@preaction | ahh | 06:22 |
@preaction | cancel the commit if it can't reach spectre | 06:22 |
perlDreamer | If you ask for a commit, and can't talk to spectre, then instead of leaving the tag in limbo, it just sets the tag back to pending | 06:22 |
perlDreamer | yeah | 06:22 |
perlDreamer | I'll email JT and take my lumps | 06:22 |
@preaction | yeah, that's unnecessary now: everything happens in realtime until a certain number of seconds have passed | 06:23 |
@preaction | eh, that changed only a little while ago, whereas you might've gotten approval before that | 06:23 |
@preaction | so just a matter of crossed wires | 06:23 |
perlDreamer | yeah, I'd suggest running svn blame, but that won't work either :) | 06:23 |
perlDreamer | so why is it unnecessary now? | 06:24 |
perlDreamer | If you can't talk to spectre, then why would you allow a commit to be processed? | 06:24 |
@preaction | because Commit Without Approval has one activity. that one activity can be done in a few seconds, spectre will never know anything about it, since it'll be done in realtime | 06:26 |
@preaction | all workflows are realtime until they take too long | 06:26 |
perlDreamer | wow | 06:27 |
perlDreamer | Okay | 06:27 |
@apeiron | mmm | 06:28 |
@apeiron | About the svn blame thing, would svk still work if offline? | 06:28 |
perlDreamer | and what happens if it takes too long and spectre is down? | 06:28 |
perlDreamer | apeiron, no idea | 06:28 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, heh, likewise | 06:28 |
@preaction | perlDreamer, if it takes too long and spectre is down then it goes to spectre. but since spectre is an external process, you'd still want to keep the WorkflowInstance in the table until spectre returns | 06:29 |
@preaction | i mean, that's my opinion of course | 06:29 |
@preaction | a warning like "Unable to contact spectre, your commit may take longer than expected" would be nice | 06:29 |
perlDreamer | but that would only be necessary if the defer takes place | 06:30 |
perlDreamer | I know y'all submitted to have frozen moved, is there an estimate for when it will be done? | 06:31 |
perlDreamer | I'll revert it right out of SVN after it's back up. | 06:31 |
@apeiron | heh | 06:31 |
@apeiron | I think we should make a plan to stagger our commits once frozen is back up. I'm sure we've all got some stuff we're itching to ci | 06:31 |
perlDreamer | I think it's a good time for Haarg to teach us all git :) | 06:32 |
@apeiron | nevar | 06:32 |
@preaction | apparently i didn't submit the ticket correctly, since the instructions they gave were inconsistent with what i was seeing, so i had to resubmit the ticket | 06:32 |
@apeiron | svk for lief! | 06:32 |
@preaction | so now i don't know when | 06:32 |
perlDreamer | email to JT away, I'm sorry if I caused you guys problems | 06:35 |
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elnino | good evening! I'm just curious about the asset manager and the javascript webgui used from mattkruse, and was wondering what field in the db you use the store the ranking field for the assets listed in the asset manager? | 07:23 |
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@preaction | elnino, the ranking field is also the last 6 characters of the asset's lineage (located in the asset table) | 07:37 |
elnino | ok that would explain why I couldn't find a ranking field in the db schema. Thanks! | 07:37 |
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metanil | to get parent asset, will getLineage(["self","ancestors"],{returnObjects=>1}); do?? | 07:50 |
@preaction | metanil, $asset->getParent | 07:51 |
metanil | and how to use ancestorLimit .. to return only parent (not grand parent) | 07:51 |
@apeiron | You should be able to do ->getParent, no? | 07:51 |
metanil | oh oh | 07:51 |
metanil | sweet | 07:51 |
metanil | :D | 07:51 |
@preaction | you can theoretically go all the way up the stack that way | 07:51 |
@apeiron | 'theoretically' | 07:51 |
@preaction | it's not recommended, since they're instanciated no matter what | 07:52 |
metanil | even $asset->getParent? | 07:52 |
@apeiron | Once is fine. | 07:52 |
metanil | :) | 07:52 |
@apeiron | But a dozen, probably not. | 07:52 |
metanil | yeah.. thats what also think | 07:54 |
metanil | how to create boolean template variable so that i can do <tmpl_if var_name> | 07:58 |
metanil | can we do $vars{'var_name'} = 0 or 1 | 07:58 |
@apeiron | perlbot, tias | 07:59 |
perlbot | Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works. | 07:59 |
metanil | ok.. that'll also help :) | 08:00 |
metanil | it worked | 08:10 |
metanil | thanks. | 08:10 |
metanil | do need to have any boolean kind of thing,, just checking the variable whether it was set in pm file or not | 08:10 |
@preaction | it's perl's notion of truth | 08:11 |
@preaction | perlbot false | 08:11 |
perlbot | undef, 0, "", "0" | 08:11 |
@preaction | perlbot true | 08:11 |
perlbot | Anything that isn't false. see "false" | 08:11 |
metanil | then i guess i learn a new thing in perl.. | 08:15 |
metanil | thanks guys.. | 08:15 |
metanil | time to take a nap | 08:16 |
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@tavisto | perlbot is wonky | 08:53 |
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@apeiron | perlbot perlbot | 10:21 |
@apeiron | ... what | 10:21 |
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ckotil | haha. just got rick rolled on the phone! | 16:19 |
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Giant81 | I just installed a debian server named 'webgui' to use as my webgui server | 17:25 |
Giant81 | I installed wre and eveyrthing went fine | 17:25 |
Giant81 | I added a site and named it p1stest | 17:25 |
Giant81 | how do I access it? | 17:25 |
slickware | heh | 17:26 |
slickware | for now, you can access it by IP | 17:26 |
Giant81 | I tried p1stest.webgui.rph.int | 17:26 |
slickware | http://ip.address.of.machine | 17:26 |
Giant81 | and I get "it works" by apache | 17:26 |
slickware | otherwise, you need to set up some DNS | 17:26 |
slickware | did you install apache on debian? | 17:26 |
Giant81 | I think webgui did it for me | 17:27 |
slickware | right - but - | 17:27 |
slickware | if you let debian install apache, it will run both the default apache AND the WRE apache | 17:27 |
slickware | and you'll have issues | 17:27 |
slickware | see if you can stop the apache service | 17:27 |
Giant81 | so I need to shutdown the non wre apache | 17:27 |
slickware | yea | 17:27 |
slickware | and give yourself a pat on the back for making it that far | 17:28 |
slickware | haha | 17:28 |
Giant81 | wre is pretty easy to setup... most of the issues I had were getting vmware tools installed | 17:28 |
slickware | if you have something like webmin installed, it'll be easy to tell if apache is on/running | 17:30 |
Giant81 | I went to /etc/init.d and did an apache stop | 17:31 |
Giant81 | and now I see nothing when I go to the IP... the wre and debian apache are seperate installs right? | 17:32 |
BartJol | yeah | 17:35 |
slickware | did you load the wreconsole and make sure everything is running in there? | 17:36 |
Giant81 | it was running before... let me double check | 17:38 |
slickware | I had a weird issue where my services would stop when I stopped the console | 17:38 |
BartJol | cool | 17:38 |
Giant81 | brilliant | 17:38 |
Giant81 | modproxy was not started.. though I'd seen it started before | 17:38 |
slickware | heh... don't ask me to program... but I can get the Wre running | 17:40 |
BartJol | well a macro is quickly written: | 17:42 |
BartJol | package WebGUI::Macro::HelloWorld; | 17:42 |
BartJol | use strict; | 17:42 |
BartJol | sub process { | 17:42 |
BartJol | return "Hallo gast"; | 17:42 |
BartJol | } | 17:42 |
BartJol | 1; | 17:42 |
BartJol | my first baby | 17:42 |
slickware | ha | 17:55 |
slickware | so useful, thanks :) | 17:55 |
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slickware | question for anyone there... | 18:09 |
BartJol | I'm someone... I think | 18:10 |
slickware | I've edited the styles on my entire site - only - when a user goes to log in, the admin?op=auth;method=login page still displays the old style | 18:10 |
BartJol | user login style | 18:11 |
slickware | how do I fix the style of that page? | 18:11 |
BartJol | user function style i mean | 18:11 |
BartJol | in the settings | 18:11 |
slickware | is it a page template? | 18:11 |
BartJol | it is a setting where you choose a template | 18:11 |
slickware | oh ok | 18:11 |
BartJol | it's in the tab UI | 18:11 |
slickware | got it | 18:12 |
slickware | next question: my rich edit doesn't seem to have any font-formatting buttons | 18:12 |
slickware | is that normal (because the CSS controls everything? | 18:12 |
BartJol | any? like no bold and italic too? | 18:13 |
BartJol | normally most things are indeed controlled by css | 18:13 |
BartJol | maybe those buttons exist if you maximise the rich edit features | 18:14 |
BartJol | not sure | 18:14 |
slickware | hmm | 18:14 |
BartJol | import node->richedit->yourrichedit | 18:14 |
BartJol | or whatever it's called | 18:14 |
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slickware | I have bold and italic | 18:15 |
BartJol | ok | 18:15 |
slickware | but I don't have font or size | 18:15 |
BartJol | I'll have a look | 18:15 |
slickware | which I guess is probably a good thing, because then it all stays the same | 18:15 |
slickware | but font size does seem like a strange thing to not have | 18:16 |
BartJol | you can turn it on | 18:17 |
BartJol | go to the asset manager | 18:17 |
BartJol | click root->import node-> RichEdit | 18:18 |
BartJol | there are 2 default editor settings | 18:18 |
BartJol | just make a copy of the content mangers richedit | 18:18 |
BartJol | edit the copy | 18:18 |
BartJol | are you there yet? | 18:19 |
slickware | sorry stepped away - lemme chec | 18:20 |
Giant81 | how do I get to make demo's with webgui after I install it? I've turned on the demo's under wre console | 18:20 |
BartJol | sorry Giant81, never tried, wouldn't know | 18:20 |
Giant81 | kk ty | 18:21 |
slickware | awesome | 18:22 |
slickware | thanks bart | 18:22 |
BartJol | no problem, given a presentation on the subject last year at the wuc, comes in handy right now :) | 18:23 |
slickware | how is the WUC | 18:23 |
BartJol | nice | 18:23 |
slickware | i'm considering it this year | 18:23 |
slickware | but i'm in Boston, so it's a haul | 18:23 |
BartJol | Well, it's nearly as far as the netherlands | 18:24 |
slickware | haha | 18:24 |
slickware | touche' | 18:24 |
slickware | there seems to be a huge netherlands/webgui thing | 18:24 |
BartJol | yeah | 18:24 |
BartJol | we like it as an excuse to show americans that we can drink more and better than them :) | 18:25 |
BartJol | but serious, there are a couple of companies here that use WebGUI for a long time | 18:25 |
BartJol | help develope, host it, give support, so we like some contact (and maybe influence) on the whole project | 18:26 |
* Giant81 is from wisconsin | 18:27 |
* Giant81 takes that challenge | 18:27 |
* Radix_ is from Australia. | 18:27 |
BartJol | so wuc next yera will be in the netherlands | 18:27 |
slickware | wow | 18:27 |
BartJol | Giant81 is bound to be at the wuc then | 18:27 |
+Radix_ | need more Aussies in here.. me and patspam seem to be it so far ;) | 18:27 |
slickware | you guys definitely have better beer, i'm not surprised you can drink more | 18:27 |
Giant81 | if I can get my employer to pay for it... yes | 18:28 |
Giant81 | its right in town here in Madison | 18:28 |
Giant81 | but I don't have the money to go | 18:28 |
slickware | how much is the conference itself? | 18:28 |
+Radix_ | US$500 from memory | 18:28 |
Giant81 | Wisconsin is nice, a very large German population with lots of micro breweries and good beer | 18:29 |
Giant81 | yeah | 18:29 |
BartJol | atherwise it's somewhere on webgui.org/wuc | 18:29 |
BartJol | yeah, the Essen Hause was cool | 18:29 |
+Radix_ | Giant81: you should write a talk/presentation for the WUC then - then you get in free I believe | 18:29 |
slickware | hahaha | 18:29 |
BartJol | Radix_ are you coming this year? | 18:30 |
slickware | I would only talk about how I still like version 5x better than 7x :-D | 18:30 |
BartJol | we missed you... | 18:30 |
+Radix_ | or perhaps offer your services to help out in setting things up, cleanup, etc perhaps? dunno | 18:30 |
+Radix_ | BartJol: wish I could, it sounds like this year is going to be big with all the new stuff in 7.5 | 18:30 |
BartJol | ah the "Be JT's slave for a weekend arrangement" | 18:31 |
BartJol | sounds like a no | 18:31 |
+Radix_ | I've got to plan a big wedding for next year tho (Yumi and I are getting married) - so can't plan any big trips atm | 18:31 |
BartJol | ah, can the dutch crew come? | 18:32 |
BartJol | to the wedding? | 18:32 |
+Radix_ | heh.. if you can make it over here you're welcome! | 18:32 |
+Radix_ | Actually we'll probably be doing two weddings.. one here and one in Penang, Malaysia | 18:32 |
BartJol | have to do something with my days off | 18:32 |
BartJol | jee | 18:33 |
Giant81 | I may end up volunteering to help setup etc... | 18:33 |
BartJol | simultaneously? | 18:33 |
BartJol | mail graham or ask Haarg (that's the same) | 18:33 |
+Radix_ | BartJol: that'd be interesting.. how exactly would that be accomplished tho ;) | 18:33 |
BartJol | dunno, big video screens... instant transportation, stuff like that | 18:34 |
+Radix_ | heh | 18:34 |
+Radix_ | I think the penang one will more than likely just be a reception - lots of food for her aunts/uncles/family back home.. the wedding itself will be here | 18:35 |
+Radix_ | then we'll head off somewhere for our honeymoon | 18:35 |
+Radix_ | still needs lots of planning atm anyway.. all we've determined so far is that it'll be next year sometime! :) | 18:36 |
BartJol | but then you need a break from planning and go to the wuc | 18:36 |
slickware | is it a good time? how much of a crowd is there | 18:38 |
slickware | (the wuc, not the wedding0\ | 18:38 |
BartJol | around 50-100, don't remember exactly | 18:39 |
BartJol | from which around 10 dutch persons | 18:39 |
BartJol | I think around 70 last year | 18:40 |
BartJol | but it's hard to estimate | 18:40 |
BartJol | it's a very good time, there are talks this yera for beginners, admins and developers, so always something interesting | 18:41 |
BartJol | and a nice bar in the hotel | 18:41 |
slickware | haha | 18:41 |
slickware | that's not as large as I would have expected actually | 18:41 |
+Radix_ | highly recommend it also.. It gave me a chance to answer all the questions I had and see how everyone else was using webgui in fascinating ways | 18:42 |
BartJol | well it was a bit smaller than I did expect last year | 18:42 |
BartJol | but that's only good for getting the chance to talk to everyone | 18:42 |
BartJol | and ask questions ask Radix mentioned | 18:42 |
BartJol | to show nice stuff you did | 18:43 |
BartJol | but have to go, have to network for a new house and the work for today has been done | 18:45 |
BartJol | see you around | 18:46 |
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+Radix_ | I'm off to bed also.. nite | 18:46 |
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slickware | maybe I will have to plan on it for next year | 18:54 |
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perlDreamer | Only in the Netherlands: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080604/ap_on_fe_st/mooning_mishap;_ylt=As5lpOzsqT_LK3OX0Jkfi6as0NUE | 20:13 |
slickware | I think I can top that | 20:19 |
slickware | :-D | 20:20 |
slickware | http://youtube.com/watch?v=BmZpH6RWGI4&feature=related | 20:20 |
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@apeiron | http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html media channel has Phoenix updates. | 21:03 |
@preaction | svn should be back now, for those of you waiting to make commits | 21:04 |
perlDreamer | talked with rizen, he says it's okay to warn people about spectre being down on commit, but not to cancel the commit | 21:05 |
perlDreamer | I'll hold off my commits until this afternoon, PDT-wise | 21:05 |
@apeiron | preaction++ # Houston, SVN is a go | 21:07 |
@preaction | pfft, blame me for failing to make the init.d script work and having to start it manually. it could've been up hours ago | 21:07 |
perlDreamer | Dude, it's working. That's all that matters. | 21:07 |
* apeiron nods. | 21:08 |
@preaction | actually, i blame redhat for their "service" command not telling me WHY my script wasn't working (didn't have the +x bit) | 21:08 |
perlDreamer | The only questions now are 1)git or SVK, 2) when we switch | 21:08 |
@apeiron | I say leave the repo itself as svn, then developers can use whatever they want. | 21:09 |
@apeiron | I personally find git to be as awkward as CVS. | 21:09 |
@apeiron | Or worse. | 21:09 |
perlDreamer | I haven't used either, but Haarg digs git over svk after using both for a while. | 21:10 |
@apeiron | There're some technical issues with svk, but for me, git is emacs-style awkward. | 21:11 |
@preaction | imho svk seems like a hack over svn, whereas git was designed to be distributed | 21:12 |
@preaction | but me, i've tried bazaar and i like it | 21:12 |
perlDreamer | you're forgiven, as a penance, burn two copies of the Emacs users manual | 21:13 |
@apeiron | I don't think it would matter which client developer X or developer Y uses if we use the SVN FS, since so many clients can speak to it. | 21:15 |
perlDreamer | but if the SVN goes down again, can SVK and git push across to one another? | 21:16 |
perlDreamer | in other words, are we still vulnerable to the same problem? | 21:16 |
@apeiron | hmm | 21:17 |
@apeiron | I don't think so. | 21:17 |
@apeiron | well | 21:17 |
@apeiron | You could do it *manually*. | 21:17 |
@apeiron | i.e., tar up the SVK depot directory, mail it. | 21:17 |
perlDreamer | yeah, that's advantage of homogeneity. If it's all git, then we just stop pushing to main and start pulling from one another. | 21:18 |
perlDreamer | I don't know how SVK would work, probably similarly. | 21:18 |
@apeiron | I dunno. If we standardize on git, I might write a porcelain for it to present a more comfortable interface. | 21:20 |
* perlDreamer commits to reading the stuff that Haarg sent out about git intro for SVN users | 21:20 |
@Haarg | what part of the interface don't you like apeiron? | 21:22 |
@apeiron | Haarg, The way the commands are named, the ugly ugly ugly URL syntax, other stuff. | 21:22 |
@Haarg | i don't think you can push/pull from other svk repositories easily | 21:22 |
@Haarg | which url syntax do you mean? | 21:22 |
@apeiron | I think in terms of 'checkout' 'update' 'checkin', not 'push' 'pull 'clone' | 21:22 |
perlDreamer | I think this is the URL: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html | 21:26 |
@Haarg | that's getting used to git if you are familiar with svn | 21:31 |
@Haarg | if you are using git like i do, with a svn backend, then there's this: http://utsl.gen.nz/talks/git-svn/intro.html | 21:32 |
perlDreamer | ah, thanks Haarg. I saw this talk at OSCON last year, but had forgotten about it. | 21:35 |
perlDreamer | Sam is a good presenter. | 21:35 |
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wgGuest52 | hello | 21:35 |
wgGuest52 | i am nwb just installed on my virtual server wreconsole is working can someone help | 21:37 |
slickware | what's your question wgGuest52? | 21:37 |
wgGuest52 | hi slick m not sure everything working just testing right now services all ok now how can i publish website | 21:39 |
wgGuest52 | or begin working on website | 21:40 |
@apeiron | wgGuest52, Did you add a site via the WRE console? | 21:42 |
wgGuest52 | yes | 21:42 |
@apeiron | Okay, and you've done the initial setup for that, yes? | 21:42 |
@apeiron | Gone to that URL, done the wizard with the light blue background, etc. | 21:42 |
wgGuest52 | am still on wre console | 21:43 |
@apeiron | You'll need to access the URL of the site you added on the console. | 21:43 |
wgGuest52 | still showing apache placeholder | 21:44 |
perlDreamer | wgGuest52: Are you using debian? | 21:44 |
wgGuest52 | ubuntu i think i have to add dns /etjosts | 21:45 |
wgGuest52 | ubuntu i think i have to add dns /hosts | 21:45 |
perlDreamer | okay, have you turned off the default apache that comes with ubuntu, and the mysql? | 21:45 |
slickware | lol two of these issues today so far. | 21:46 |
wgGuest52 | not the apache cant control it with httpd have to kill process | 21:47 |
wgGuest52 | i think | 21:47 |
wgGuest52 | i have may be 10 apche processes runin | 21:48 |
wgGuest52 | 16 actually | 21:48 |
slickware | try running | 21:49 |
slickware | /etc/init.d/httpd stop | 21:49 |
wgGuest52 | no such file | 21:50 |
slickware | ok | 21:50 |
wgGuest52 | kill all apche proces | 21:50 |
slickware | replace httpd in that with apache2 | 21:51 |
slickware | see if that works | 21:51 |
slickware | and/or you might have to: | 21:51 |
slickware | sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop | 21:51 |
@Haarg | if you are using the wre, you would want to use the wreservice.pl script | 21:51 |
@apeiron | Haarg, The issue seems to be a vendor-supplied httpd clashing with the WRE httpd. | 21:52 |
@Haarg | ah | 21:52 |
wgGuest52 | aha | 21:52 |
@Haarg | me no read good | 21:52 |
@preaction | yeah, sudo invoke-rc.d httpd stop | 21:52 |
wgGuest52 | yes ok | 21:52 |
@preaction | or apache2 stop | 21:52 |
perlDreamer | or install fedora | 21:55 |
@preaction | pfft, you and your fedora | 21:56 |
@preaction | debian ftw | 21:56 |
perlDreamer | ftw = foobar's the world? | 21:56 |
@Haarg | for the win | 21:56 |
slickware | man fedora stopped being cool back when... oh right, when it stopped being redhat :-D | 21:57 |
wgGuest52 | thanks slickware i am getting started | 21:58 |
wgGuest52 | i will play around for now bye all thanks | 21:58 |
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slickware | how many ways are there to stop apache? the world may never know! | 22:00 |
@apeiron | I prefer the slay utility. | 22:01 |
* perlDreamer 1) tries init script | 22:02 |
* perlDreamer 2) tries apache2 stop | 22:02 |
* perlDreamer 3) tries kill -9 | 22:02 |
perlDreamer | 3 | 22:02 |
@apeiron | http://pkgsrc.se/sysutils/slay | 22:02 |
@apeiron | Do yourself a favor, do not run slay without arguments. | 22:03 |
slickware | heh... that's an awesome command | 22:04 |
@preaction | ps ax | grep "httpd" | cut -d' ' -f 1 | xargs kill -9 | 22:04 |
@preaction | works when killall doesn't exist | 22:05 |
ckotil | heh | 22:08 |
@apeiron | bah grep, bah cut, bah xargs | 22:09 |
@apeiron | You call yourself a Perl programmer? | 22:09 |
@preaction | ps ax | perl -anlF' ' -e'`kill -9 $A[0]`' | 22:11 |
@preaction | one of these things is slightly more readable than the other, lets figure out which! | 22:11 |
perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane 'kill -9 $F[0]' | 22:12 |
perlDreamer | split on whitespace is the default | 22:12 |
perlDreamer | and it does seem strange to invoke perl to call the shell | 22:13 |
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@preaction | pfft. damn you and your stronger perl-fu | 22:13 |
perlDreamer | only on the command line, preaction | 22:13 |
@Haarg | wouldn't that try to kill every process? | 22:13 |
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@preaction | mine doesn't have the overhead of the perl interpreter | 22:13 |
@preaction | ha, we forgot grep | 22:13 |
@apeiron | .... ha, oops | 22:14 |
perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache/' | 22:14 |
perlDreamer | no grep needed | 22:14 |
perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /(apache)|(httpd)/' | 22:15 |
@preaction | no need for capturing parens there | 22:15 |
@preaction | unless that's a PBP thing | 22:15 |
@Haarg | i don't think pbp applies to one liners | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | nope, just my bad | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | so we can drop 4 more characters | 22:17 |
perlDreamer | ps -ax | perl -lane '`kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache|httpd/' | 22:17 |
@Haarg | you could also drop some spaces if you hate readability | 22:17 |
@preaction | c'mon, you know we do! | 22:18 |
perlDreamer | and I think this will do it all "inside" perl: perl -lane 'BEGIN{ @ARGV = `ps -ax`} `kill -9 $F[0]` if /apache|httpd/' | 22:18 |
@preaction | now that's just crazy | 22:19 |
perlDreamer | and it may not even work, I haven't tested it. | 22:29 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6547 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): replace the old, buggy label.t with the new, slow critic_labels.t. Add Perl::Critic and Test::Perl::Critic as optional requirements to sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 23:42 |
Axthrower | whenever i try to use any admin function i get the error "WebGUI was unable to instantiate your style template." at the top of the page and nothing displays correctly. The content that I've created does display correctly though.. | 23:44 |
@preaction | Axthrower, something went wrong with the Admin Console style. It should not have been possible to delete it, but that's probably what happened. | 23:51 |
Axthrower | how would I go about restoring it? | 23:52 |
@preaction | find a backup and get it from there? make a new site and get it from there? (meaning: export it as a package and import it back into your site) | 23:52 |
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Axthrower | any ideas what files i should be looking for? | 00:03 |
@preaction | root/import/AdminConsole probably. otherwise i don't know | 00:04 |
Axthrower | k thanks | 00:04 |
perlDreamer | Axthrower, Would you please add a page to the wiki with how you recovered it? | 00:49 |
Axthrower | still working on it.. | 01:06 |
Axthrower | all the files appear to be intact... | 01:07 |
perlDreamer | Hey, maybe we should make a package of the root import node so that people can easily recover mistakes. | 01:07 |
perlDreamer | it would need to be version specific | 01:07 |
Axthrower | anyone know what template PBtmpl0000000000000137 is? | 01:10 |
perlDreamer | that is a style template | 01:11 |
Axthrower | ya.. which one | 01:11 |
perlDreamer | that is the admin console style template | 01:13 |
perlDreamer | select * from template as t join assetData as a on t.assetId = a.assetId and t.revisionDate=a.revisionDate where t.assetId='PBtmpl0000000000000137'; | 01:13 |
Axthrower | ya thats what i was doing.. and get NOTHING | 01:14 |
perlDreamer | well, that means that it's gone | 01:15 |
perlDreamer | you need to reinstanciate it | 01:15 |
perlDreamer | what version of wG are you using, exactly? | 01:15 |
Axthrower | 7.4.39-stable | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | ah, that's fortunate | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | Try this. | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | Go to the demo site, demo.plainblack.com | 01:17 |
Axthrower | it was working fine.. people were working with it etc.. than broke it somehow | 01:17 |
Axthrower | i dunno what they did | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | someone deleted the style template | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | and then cleaned it out of the trash | 01:17 |
perlDreamer | at the demo site, create a demo site | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | log in as admin | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | go to the admin console | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | find the style template in the import node | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | set it to be a package | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | export that package and save a copy of it | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | in your site, import that package, and it will restore the style template | 01:18 |
perlDreamer | Axthrower, did you follow all that? | 01:19 |
Axthrower | yup working on it.. | 01:19 |
perlDreamer | preaction: Am I missing anything? | 01:19 |
Axthrower | the assetId on the demo site for the admin console template is PBtmpl0000000000000001 | 01:21 |
Axthrower | i DO have that template in the database with the same html etc... | 01:21 |
perlDreamer | bad news, they have the same Title | 01:22 |
perlDreamer | Admin Console | admin_console2 | PBtmpl0000000000000001 | AdminConsole | | 01:22 |
perlDreamer | | Admin Console | admin_console | PBtmpl0000000000000137 | style | | 01:22 |
perlDreamer | good news, using the namespace OR the URL, you can tell them apart | 01:23 |
perlDreamer | I filed that as a bug: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/admin-console-templates-have-the-same-title#JmcWxembbTkZWVWd2Q4YPQ | 01:25 |
Axthrower | ok so i found that 137 on the demo site.. how do i make it be a package? | 01:26 |
perlDreamer | Edit the template, and select the Metadata tab | 01:27 |
Axthrower | ah ok | 01:27 |
Axthrower | yup that worked.. | 01:32 |
perlDreamer | the whole thing? cool! | 01:33 |
Axthrower | the entire "style" folder was missing out of the import node | 01:34 |
perlDreamer | If that's so, then repeat the procedure with the Style folder and make a package out of it. | 01:37 |
Axthrower | thats what i did the first time.. | 01:38 |
Axthrower | i assumed the worst =P | 01:38 |
perlDreamer | good call | 01:38 |
Axthrower | i wanted nothing todo with the webdev project.. so i setup the stuff gave full access to the developer.. | 01:39 |
Axthrower | OBVIOUSLY a bad idea. | 01:39 |
Axthrower | http://216.20.64.232/~rharhen/Style.pm.patch changes i made to style.pm to figure out what was missing.. if anyone is interested | 01:45 |
perlDreamer | Axthrower, please submit that as a bug with the patch | 01:46 |
perlDreamer | I'm sure it will be accepted. | 01:46 |
Axthrower | done.. | 01:53 |
Axthrower | allright thanks for the help all | 01:53 |
Axthrower | have a good night | 01:53 |
perlDreamer | good night | 01:53 |
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@apeiron | Wow, people actually *use* epic these days, instead of just make jokes about how people don't use it? | 02:03 |
perlDreamer | apeiron, you see anything wrong with applying that patch? | 02:06 |
@apeiron | Put some spaces aroudn the operators so it follows WGBP and then it'd be fine. | 02:07 |
* apeiron *loathes* "string"."string" | 02:07 |
perlDreamer | what do you usually use instead? | 02:07 |
@apeiron | operand operator operand | 02:07 |
@apeiron | always | 02:07 |
@apeiron | "string"."string" is trying to hide what's going on, IMO. | 02:08 |
perlDreamer | I usually use join, or sprintf | 02:09 |
perlDreamer | Well, my Perl::Critic policy does not obey scope | 02:13 |
perlDreamer | I'll need to fix that | 02:13 |
perlDreamer | I thought I'd already done that, and the skeletal code for supporting it is there, but the key pieces are not. | 02:14 |
@apeiron | Scope? | 02:14 |
perlDreamer | say you have a module with two subs | 02:14 |
@apeiron | Also, for the curious, the WGBP practice I'm mentioning is in chapter two, under "operators". | 02:14 |
perlDreamer | each sub makes an i18n object to its own i18n namespace | 02:15 |
@apeiron | Right. | 02:15 |
perlDreamer | but the scanner checks the WHOLE file for i18n calls under namespace1, which is wrong | 02:15 |
perlDreamer | it should reset at the end of the sub, or enclosing scope | 02:15 |
* apeiron nods. | 02:15 |
perlDreamer | That's why I said it was ignoring scope | 02:16 |
@apeiron | ah. | 02:16 |
perlDreamer | hm, there's a perlcritic channel over on irc.perl.org | 02:21 |
perlDreamer | maybe I should ask over there | 02:21 |
perlDreamer | 'cause I remember why I never finished that code | 02:21 |
perlDreamer | Perl::Critic would need to be reentrant | 02:22 |
perlDreamer | since I need to interrupt it's parsing | 02:22 |
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@apeiron | Crap, it's Tavis. Everyone run! | 03:41 |
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ToddB | Hello anyone there that can help with install question | 05:31 |
+Radix-wrk | ToddB: Best thing to do is ask your question.. and wait... if someone can help they will - but due to everyone on different time zones it may not be immediate. | 06:51 |
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perlDreamer | I'm working on reverting the cancel commit stuff now | 07:41 |
perlDreamer | it's all done | 07:53 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6548 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (20 files in 7 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Added Operator base class and 2 Operator modules with tests | 11:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6549 /WebGUI/ (7 files in 5 dirs): web interface for importing and exporting products. Additional tests for the import/export API | 11:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6550 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): revert the patch that checked spectre and canceled the commit if it could not talk to it | 11:29 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6551 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (16 files in 7 dirs): WebGUI_flux: added Operand module, and two sample Operands, with tests | 11:29 |
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BartJol | aaah need API | 15:24 |
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BartJol | is there a method in the api to reload a page? searching in the pod takes a bit long if you don't know where to look | 16:07 |
BartJol | call me lazy | 16:07 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:28 |
SquOnk | Quick question. | 17:30 |
SquOnk | While packaging for Debian, one of the issues is using the Debian packaged YUI instead of the WebGUI "piggy-backed" one... | 17:30 |
SquOnk | ...I've set that up already, but need to know how to properly test if everything is working fine. | 17:31 |
SquOnk | What elements of WebGUI require YUI? | 17:31 |
ckotil | I think the admin console web interface | 17:32 |
ckotil | I would stick with the WebGUI packaged YUI | 17:32 |
ckotil | lots of elements in YUI are beta | 17:33 |
ckotil | so who knows what has changed and will cause problems for webgui by using the debian packaged one | 17:33 |
SquOnk | ckotil: The Debian packaged one is exactly the same as WebGUI's piggibacked one :-) | 17:33 |
SquOnk | ckotil: I just want to make sure that the symlinks I've set in place are the right ones :-) | 17:34 |
ckotil | ah | 17:35 |
SquOnk | ckotil: Debian won't allow "wholesale software copying" so both YUI and TiniMCE2 must be linked to the ones already in Debian. | 17:36 |
SquOnk | ckotil: The rest of the WebGUI included JS is copied verbatim. | 17:36 |
SquOnk | Well, the left admin bar works fine. | 17:36 |
SquOnk | Drag'n drop works fine too... | 17:37 |
ckotil | nice | 17:37 |
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perlDreamer | SquOnk, The Calendar and Gallery use a lot of YUI | 18:17 |
perlDreamer | I'd recommend testing on those | 18:17 |
perlDreamer | In 7.5.11 (not released yet), the EMS and the Shop admin functions use a lot of YUI. | 18:18 |
perlDreamer | Also, Survey2 | 18:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Thanks | 18:19 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Are there any tests for that in testCodebase? | 18:19 |
perlDreamer | There are a few mech tests, but they wouldn't be testing Javascript, now, would they? :) | 18:19 |
perlDreamer | for that you need Selenium or something similar | 18:20 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Just asking... | 18:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...since I've seen pretty interesting tests in there. | 18:21 |
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wgGuest22 | Is there an easy way to just add a local file directory path as an asset to Webgui without uploading the files? | 19:24 |
@preaction | the fileImport.pl script in WebGUI/sbin perhaps? | 19:24 |
perlDreamer | If you can live without the Assets, passThruUrls (in the config file) will let you serve static files through WebGUI | 19:26 |
wgGuest22 | I'll need to look at that. I am trying to replace my regular apache server with WRE on CentOS5. One of the main uses I have for apache is to provide a network build path (YUM Repo) which uses automount to mount the ISO on demand. A static passthru sounds like the right approach. | 19:27 |
perlDreamer | docs on passThruUrls are in the config file, also check the wiki and search the forums | 19:28 |
wgGuest22 | Thanks! | 19:28 |
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slickware | hey all. | 20:16 |
slickware | when something is deleted from the asset manager, is there a way to completely Purge it so that you can later on upload another item with the same name and path? | 20:16 |
perlDreamer | When something is deleted, it's put in the Trash. | 20:19 |
perlDreamer | Once it's deleted from the Trash, it's gone forever. | 20:19 |
* perlDreamer is afk | 20:19 |
slickware | ah | 20:22 |
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slickware | haha it won't let me purge my entire trashcan because I have a folder in there | 20:39 |
slickware | I had to delete the items one at a time, and the folder doesn't want to go away still | 20:39 |
@preaction | that shouldn't be an issue, so there's probably an error in the error log | 20:44 |
slickware | not too worried about it, i'm switching to agency hosting tomorrow so I don't ahve to deal with adminning my own damn server anymore | 20:45 |
slickware | dealing with that is getting old, i'd rather just build the sites and be done with it! | 20:45 |
@preaction | amen to that. let graham deal with it! | 20:45 |
slickware | is there a way to make all titles hidden by default so users don't have to hide them every time they make a new article? | 20:50 |
@preaction | not really. not without changing the code | 20:51 |
@preaction | or you could change the template | 20:51 |
@preaction | but then they'd have to pick your new template | 20:51 |
@preaction | (do not change default templates, make a copy and change that) | 20:51 |
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slickware | where would that setting be in a template? | 21:00 |
slickware | I never use the defaults | 21:00 |
ckotil | if you hide the titles at the parent level, the setting should be inherited. or edit the template. | 21:03 |
@preaction | use the available help files to figure out what the template variable for the title is, and then remove it | 21:03 |
ckotil | <tmpl_if displayTitle><h1><tmpl_var title></h1></tmpl_if> | 21:03 |
slickware | i'm not sure what that means exactly, hide them at the parent level? | 21:04 |
bopbop | slickware: a simple thing to do would be just to make a prototype of an article | 21:04 |
bopbop | with the title hidden | 21:04 |
ckotil | slickware: hide them at the top level , and the setting should be inherited | 21:05 |
@preaction | yeah, but you might want displayTitle for the Page Layout | 21:08 |
@preaction | i like bopbop's idea too, prototypes are good | 21:08 |
slickware | I still don't know what you mean by top level. Hide them on the home page? | 21:10 |
@preaction | he means hide them on the page Layout the articles are contained in | 21:12 |
@preaction | if you set Display Title to No on the Layout, the Articles added to it will start with Display Title set to no | 21:12 |
slickware | the only option on a page layout is whether or not to display the page title | 21:19 |
slickware | which doesn't seem to assist when removing article titles | 21:19 |
@preaction | so changing Display Title to No on the Layout doesn't automatically set Display Title to No when adding a new Article? | 21:23 |
@preaction | Would it be evil to make an i18n message be either a string OR a subroutine that returned a string? | 21:25 |
@preaction | we could clean up a lot of duplication that way | 21:26 |
perlDreamer | preaction, we just need to clean up the namespaces | 21:26 |
perlDreamer | it's going to take time | 21:26 |
@preaction | we can't, there are sites deployed with the dirty stuff, relying on the dirty stuff. we need to maintain backwards compat somehow | 21:26 |
@preaction | so being able to point the old i18n label to the new i18n label would solve that | 21:27 |
perlDreamer | but at the user level it's all abstracted away, it's either code or a template var. | 21:30 |
perlDreamer | I seriously doubt that any users are accessing i18n labels directly | 21:31 |
perlDreamer | like by using ^International | 21:31 |
@preaction | the International macro | 21:31 |
perlDreamer | yeah, that's the only way for them to access stuff directly | 21:31 |
@preaction | it's everywhere in the Gallery templates, and will be soon in the Calendar | 21:31 |
perlDreamer | otherwise, it's either code or template vars | 21:31 |
@preaction | also WebGUI::International::get() for field labels and such | 21:32 |
perlDreamer | Most of those come from the WebGUI namespace | 21:32 |
perlDreamer | In fact, ALL of them come from WebGUI or UserProfile | 21:32 |
@preaction | but you can specify your own namespace if you want | 21:32 |
perlDreamer | you _can_, but do you think people _are_? | 21:33 |
@preaction | that's just it, i tend to think that if you can do something, that somebody is doing it | 21:33 |
perlDreamer | I used to think that way too | 21:33 |
perlDreamer | Now I think WebGUI has too much special interest code in it | 21:33 |
@preaction | i don't think i18n is special interest, not in the way that say LDAP is special-interest | 21:34 |
perlDreamer | No, I'm saying that 'special' use of i18n is a very rare activity | 21:34 |
perlDreamer | and if we put shared items in WebGUI, it will work anyway :) | 21:34 |
@preaction | are we talking inheritence? | 21:35 |
perlDreamer | No, I'm talking about how the i18n works now | 21:35 |
@preaction | no, i meant "shared items" | 21:35 |
perlDreamer | It checks for user's language and namespace, then user's language and WebGUI, then english | 21:36 |
perlDreamer | yeah, so am I | 21:36 |
perlDreamer | if shared items are moved to the WebGUI namespace, they'll still work | 21:36 |
@preaction | ahh | 21:36 |
perlDreamer | wait a sec | 21:38 |
perlDreamer | no they won't | 21:38 |
perlDreamer | I'm confused with the English fallback | 21:39 |
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perlDreamer | sorry, preaction | 21:41 |
@preaction | np | 21:41 |
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perlDreamer | It's ahrd to build inheritance with pure perl data structures | 21:48 |
perlDreamer | maybe we could just encode a few inheritance rules in ->get | 21:48 |
perlDreamer | and make it work the way I mistakenly thought it could | 21:48 |
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perlDreamer | so everything fallsback to WebGUI | 21:49 |
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perlDreamer | A wobject falls back to Wobject falls back to Asset falls back to WebGUI | 21:49 |
perlDreamer | and so on | 21:49 |
@preaction | right, but you'd have to set up these relationships somehow, with like @ISA (which might be evil) or a package-scoped lexical or something | 21:53 |
@preaction | but yeah | 21:53 |
@preaction | i like the idea of inheritence in the i18n tree | 21:53 |
perlDreamer | I don't think the inheritance rules could do in the actual i18n files | 21:54 |
@preaction | especially since that will fix the stupid problem i made with Photo / GalleryFile (the GalleryFile asset uses Photo i18n namespace because to change it would make about 4-8 hours of work for BartJol) | 21:55 |
@preaction | no, it wouldn't be automatic, but we could use @ISA ourselves | 21:55 |
@preaction | it'd just be perverting the meaning a bit | 21:55 |
perlDreamer | Yeah, I'm thinking of something much less flexible but highly contained | 21:55 |
@preaction | resolving the inheritence by guessing inside of WebGUI::International::get? | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | Yes. | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | The only advantage to that is that it's all in 1 place, and out of the i18n files | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | aside from that, I don't particularly like it | 21:58 |
@preaction | i don't like the extra maintenance headache at all | 21:58 |
perlDreamer | oh, and it does with with raw files of perl data which matches the current i18n system | 21:58 |
perlDreamer | But if you push it out into the i18n files, you have to duplicate it across ALL the language packs | 21:59 |
perlDreamer | that's not fun | 21:59 |
@preaction | unless, if you don't find i18n/*/Namespace.pm::PARENT_NAMESPACE, you look in i18n/English/Namespace.pm::PARENT_NAMESPACE | 22:00 |
@preaction | but that's hackery | 22:00 |
perlDreamer | I didn't follow that | 22:00 |
perlDreamer | that's the current English fallback that's hardcoded into ->get | 22:01 |
@preaction | PARENT_NAMESPACE being the package-scoped variable that defines where to look after you can't find it in the current namespace | 22:01 |
perlDreamer | well, again, custom coding in the i18n files is a recipe for disaster. | 22:01 |
@preaction | so first it checks Language/Namespace for the i18n key. doesn't find it. Checks Language/Namespace for a PARENT, doesn't find it. Checks English/Namespace for a PARENT. Finds it, checks Language/PARENT for the i18n key | 22:02 |
@preaction | if it didn't find PARENT in English/Namespace, it would check for the i18n key, and if it didn't find it, then it would do whatever it does currently (fall back to WebGUI namespace or whatevz) | 22:03 |
@preaction | so it's a recursive lookup, as long as the English namespaces have the inheritence set properly | 22:04 |
perlDreamer | that's a lot of evals per lookup | 22:04 |
@preaction | i mean, we could also use an upgrade to add the inheritence stuff to existing languages on the system, but no matter what someting will fall through the cracks | 22:05 |
@preaction | i'm pretty sure we could cache the results, making references to the real value from the original i18n lookup | 22:06 |
@preaction | hell, we could probably do that now | 22:06 |
perlDreamer | I've tried caching, it's actually slower to do the lookup than it is to do the eval | 22:06 |
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perlDreamer | of course, I did a symbol table lookup, maybe a separate cache would be faster. | 22:12 |
perlDreamer | but that costs you 2X the i18n memory | 22:12 |
@preaction | i was thinking putting the reference in the correct place in the symbol table, or hell even putting the string itself there | 22:15 |
@preaction | so that way the next time you look it up, it's where you expected it to be | 22:15 |
@preaction | or is that like what you did? | 22:15 |
perlDreamer | I checked to see if the entry existed in the symbol table on each get, and it if didn't, then eval the namespace to bring it into existance. | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | You'd have to do a similar check, and then the install | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | it would probably be slower | 22:16 |
perlDreamer | but I've been wrong at least one other time today :) | 22:17 |
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@preaction | eh, it's something we could try. speeding up i18n lookups by even a slight amount would be worth it | 22:17 |
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@apeiron | 2A" | 22:25 |
@apeiron | whoops. Cat says hi. | 22:25 |
@preaction | CAT-LIKE TYPING DETECTED | 22:26 |
Giant81 | obfiscated perl = cat code | 22:26 |
@apeiron | CAT-LIKE PROGRAMMER DETECTED | 22:26 |
Giant81 | looks like a cat lyed down on your keyboard | 22:27 |
perlDreamer | talented cat that can hit a shift key :) | 22:28 |
@apeiron | Shift-up arrow, actually. | 22:34 |
perlDreamer | very smart cat; it tried to use command-line completion | 22:35 |
Giant81 | ok freebsd is retarded | 22:37 |
Giant81 | every 3rd package it says I need to swap disks | 22:37 |
* Giant81 downloads the DVD for next time | 22:37 |
@apeiron | heh | 22:37 |
@apeiron | You're not supposed to install packages when you install the system, don't you know that? | 22:38 |
Giant81 | appearantly | 22:39 |
Giant81 | its a virtual machine no less... so I haveh to go through like 3 menus to tell it to mount a different iso for the CDrom drive | 22:39 |
* Giant81 deletes his bsd image and starts over | 22:39 |
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perlDreamer | tavisto: Are your customers happy, or are they grumbling about the server downtime? | 22:52 |
@tavisto | I haven't heard much from people although I've fielded 2-3 questions about outages | 22:54 |
@tavisto | most people are understanding.. especially when I send them the URL of the full story | 22:55 |
@tavisto | I do have a couple people who want the e-commerce to be back on plainblack.com so they can buy stuff | 22:55 |
@tavisto | with it being on the temp box the SSL is obviously out of commission | 22:56 |
perlDreamer | we like it when they buy stuff | 22:56 |
@tavisto | um yeah | 22:57 |
@apeiron | Buying stuff is good. | 22:57 |
@tavisto | considering it's advertising cash | 22:57 |
@tavisto | from cmsmatrix | 22:57 |
@tavisto | free money for WebGUI Development | 22:57 |
@tavisto | ;) | 22:57 |
slickware | I was told yesterday that the SSL was back up | 22:58 |
slickware | because I was going to buy the agency hosting yesterday | 22:58 |
perlDreamer | SVN is back up, so some part of the SSL must be back up | 22:59 |
@tavisto | slickware did you buy the hosting? | 23:00 |
slickware | oh hey, you must be Tavis | 23:00 |
@tavisto | yep :) | 23:00 |
perlDreamer | tavisto == Tavis | 23:01 |
slickware | I didn't yet, I got an email from Jamie on tuesday saying it would be up on Wednesday | 23:01 |
@tavisto | I am pretty sneaky with my name selection... but that name is actually from my Mii character on Wii | 23:01 |
@tavisto | now everyone at PB calls me that | 23:01 |
slickware | but by wednesday I had already started building my demo site on my crochety old server, so I will buy it this weekend once I have something to move | 23:01 |
* perlDreamer still thinks it rhymes with Mephisto | 23:01 |
@tavisto | Tay-Vee-Sto | 23:02 |
slickware | mine actually rhymes with "angina" | 23:02 |
@tavisto | Alright slickware, that sounds great | 23:02 |
slickware | yes... you have no idea how great it sounds... i'm tired of keeping this dog running for like 2 domains! | 23:03 |
@tavisto | do you have the book yet? | 23:03 |
slickware | I ordered the book on monday or tuesday | 23:03 |
@tavisto | I used to play around with my server and run a couple sites.. but it's just not worth the time or hassle | 23:03 |
slickware | but, I dug through the wiki and actually figured most of what I needed out | 23:03 |
@tavisto | oh cool, that designers book will make your life so much easier | 23:03 |
slickware | along with bothering preaction and perlDreamer for the last few days | 23:03 |
@tavisto | yeah but they like it | 23:04 |
slickware | I imagine so... they're here every day it seems | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | That's why they pay us the big bucks! | 23:05 |
slickware | although, you should work on getting them to wake up earlier - I think they're on PST and i'm on EST, which means I don't get my questions resolved until almost noontime ;) | 23:05 |
@tavisto | most of us chill in here although not usually in here | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | Well, one of us at least | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | And he's not even paid to hang out in here either | 23:05 |
@tavisto | Doug is in Madison so he's cst with most of PB | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | Just why do we do this? | 23:05 |
slickware | i'm paid to hang out in here... just not by PB | 23:06 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer is just a slacker and wakes up at 3pm everyday | 23:06 |
* apeiron is a slacker who wakes up at 11 everyday | 23:06 |
slickware | i'm a slacker... it's 4pm my time and i'm heading home | 23:06 |
@tavisto | and ape too | 23:06 |
slickware | driving range and dinner... enjoy your afternoons! | 23:06 |
@tavisto | take care, ttyl | 23:07 |
slickware | thanks all | 23:07 |
* slickware bounces | 23:07 |
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* perlDreamer loves testing | 23:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6552 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: Password recovery no longer allows disabled users to recover or log in | 23:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6553 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fix: Password recovery no longer allows Deactivated users to recover passwords or log in | 23:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6554 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): tests for exporting, and some bug fixes in exportProducts | 23:24 |
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lisette | I like to know if a user already answering a trivia and can not return to respond? by this database | 01:08 |
lisette | this by databse | 01:08 |
lisette | or in the template | 01:09 |
lisette | of survey | 01:09 |
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BartJol | hee, SVN is up again? | 12:36 |
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bopbop | haarg: where did webgui.org go? will it be down long? | 15:47 |
BartJol | it is back | 15:48 |
BartJol | it was down last week after the fire | 15:48 |
bopbop | no, it's down now | 15:48 |
bopbop | hust directs to pb.com | 15:49 |
bopbop | just | 15:49 |
BartJol | mmm, in europe I can see it | 15:49 |
bopbop | really? | 15:49 |
BartJol | yeah | 15:49 |
bopbop | hmmm- I can't access | 15:49 |
BartJol | strange | 15:49 |
bopbop | yeah | 15:50 |
bopbop | tried logging out and back in, tried in admin mode... nothing | 15:52 |
BartJol | mmm it's not your connection, otherwise you couldn't be in this room | 15:52 |
bopbop | right | 15:52 |
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BartJol | logged out, logged in, works fine for me | 15:53 |
BartJol | on webgui.org | 15:53 |
BartJol | maybe Mr Tank knows | 15:53 |
bopbop | very odd- yep, I'll ask him | 15:53 |
bopbop | khenn: can you access webgui.org? | 15:53 |
@khenn | yep | 15:54 |
bopbop | grrrr | 15:54 |
bopbop | any idea why I can't? | 15:54 |
@khenn | internet down? | 15:54 |
bopbop | no, or I wouldn't be here | 15:54 |
bopbop | everything else works fine | 15:54 |
@khenn | port 80 outgoing blocked? | 15:55 |
bopbop | I can enter admin, sign in... | 15:55 |
@khenn | proxy server? | 15:55 |
bopbop | how do I check? | 15:55 |
@khenn | would be on your firewall | 15:55 |
BartJol | or proxy is tools->options | 15:55 |
@khenn | actually | 15:55 |
@khenn | webgui.org is redirecting me to plainblack.com | 15:55 |
bopbop | yep | 15:56 |
@khenn | so something is no right | 15:56 |
bopbop | me too! | 15:56 |
BartJol | network->settings | 15:56 |
BartJol | but why doen'st that happen to me? | 15:56 |
@khenn | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe | 15:56 |
@khenn | can get there by going directly there | 15:56 |
BartJol | otherwise it could be a rewrite rule that is not active | 15:57 |
@khenn | looks like webgui.org is redirecting back to plainblack.com for some reason | 15:57 |
@khenn | yeah | 15:57 |
SDuensin | FRIDAY! | 15:58 |
BartJol | yeah, almost vacation | 15:58 |
BartJol | only 2 hours left | 15:59 |
SDuensin | :-) | 15:59 |
BartJol | I must admit that some url's are rewritten | 15:59 |
BartJol | even in Europe | 16:00 |
BartJol | but it works also with webgui.org | 16:00 |
BartJol | but in the upper bar of my browser it says "Plain Black, makers of WebGUI" | 16:03 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:20 |
SquOnk | extras/calendar is being used? | 17:20 |
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steveo_aa | webgui.org not online? | 17:46 |
BartJol | seems like it | 17:47 |
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steveo_aa | plainblack.com too. | 17:51 |
BartJol | isn't that the same webgui instance? | 17:52 |
steveo_aa | Don't know, but a dev gateway is not reachable as well. | 17:52 |
BartJol | we should bother Haarg with it | 17:55 |
BartJol | probably he's already working on it | 17:56 |
BartJol | Haarg? | 17:57 |
@Haarg | erg | 17:58 |
BartJol | working on the down webgui.org ? | 17:58 |
@Haarg | yeah | 17:58 |
BartJol | well, then we won't disturb you any further | 17:59 |
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@Haarg | should be back up now | 18:21 |
BartJol | it is, you're great! | 18:23 |
@Haarg | nothing i did; still don't know what the problem was | 18:24 |
BartJol | you just have brought some of JT's fear aura into your servers again | 18:25 |
BartJol | I'm following JT's example and will be on holidays next week, have a fun hacking time | 18:30 |
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steveo_aa | When is dusk returning? | 18:34 |
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slickware | hooray, agency hosting | 19:21 |
@Haarg | dusk? it has been up since monday. you having a problem with it? | 19:36 |
slickware | no, no, I just purchased it | 19:36 |
slickware | I was hooraying it | 19:37 |
@tavisto | sweet | 19:37 |
@tavisto | so it let you purchase it | 19:37 |
@tavisto | let the flood gates open and sales continue | 19:38 |
bopbop | Haarg: why is webgui.org redirecting to pb.com's homepage? | 19:38 |
slickware | it's not, for me | 19:40 |
bopbop | it has been for me all day | 19:40 |
slickware | flush your DNS | 19:40 |
bopbop | still is- other pb staff members have had the problem too | 19:41 |
bopbop | but for some reason bartjol didn't | 19:41 |
slickware | ah... you're PB staff? then my guess is your PB internal dns is messed up | 19:41 |
slickware | at least the rest of the world is ok :) | 19:41 |
bopbop | well thank goodness for that :) | 19:42 |
slickware | http://207.44.136.150/ | 19:42 |
slickware | what happens if you hit it by IP | 19:42 |
@Haarg | it was messed up earlier, but dns should be fixed now. i'll check again though. | 19:42 |
bopbop | slickware: that works for me | 19:43 |
slickware | then definitely it's your dns | 19:43 |
slickware | either on your comp, or your router or whatnot | 19:43 |
slickware | it will probably refresh itself soon | 19:44 |
@Haarg | you can use http://www.plainblack.com/wg for now | 19:44 |
bopbop | cool- thx | 19:45 |
slickware | tavisto: who do I get in touch with now to go about setting up some domains? | 19:45 |
@tavisto | you can post that right to the support board | 19:46 |
slickware | assuming I don't have an account number or anything, posting under my username is sufficient? | 19:47 |
slickware | and - PB forums? or WG forums? | 19:48 |
bopbop | slickware: PB forums | 19:53 |
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@tavisto | support board on plainblack.com | 20:12 |
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perlDreamer | SquOnk: What do you mean by "used"? :) | 20:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: What parts of webgui are actively using them. | 20:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: In reverse: what would break if I remove it :-) | 20:18 |
perlDreamer | is extras/calendar a URL in the system, or a path in the extras dir? | 20:18 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: A path in extras dir. | 20:19 |
perlDreamer | You will break the ProjectManager, since it still uses the old JS calendar instead of the new YUI calendar. | 20:21 |
perlDreamer | ack extras /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI | grep calendar | 20:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Oh | 20:21 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Well, the thing is since those JS libraries are third party, they cannot be inside Debian's webgui package. | 20:22 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I'll be forced to package them _first_ an once they're (if) accepted, proceed with webgui :-/ | 20:22 |
perlDreamer | SquOnk: Option 2 is to convert the ProjectManager to use the YUI date picking tools. | 20:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Of course we can have "unofficial" Debian packages with all that stuff in... | 20:23 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...but I believe Option 2 would be better. | 20:23 |
perlDreamer | but for that one, we'd better submit a RFE and rizen and others think about it | 20:23 |
perlDreamer | A good start would be a dev list posting | 20:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And the same goes with a bunch of JS libraries there. I've already written rizen about that and other things. | 20:24 |
perlDreamer | Has he said anything about how to handle it? | 20:24 |
perlDreamer | (in the general sense)? | 20:24 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: The bottom line is: any piece of JS code in there that's NOT copyright WebGUI/PlainBlack, must be packaged separately | 20:25 |
perlDreamer | ah, okay | 20:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Out-of-the-office response | 20:25 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, either a cleanup of unused libraries or "option 2" :-) | 20:25 |
perlDreamer | SquOnk: I'd recommend a posting to the dev list. That's probably the easiest and most direct way. | 20:27 |
perlDreamer | Are you iterating over these 1 by 1, or do you have them all assessed at this point? | 20:27 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6557 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (8 files): A variety of template upgrades to calendar, donations, gallery, shelf, thingy and shopping cart | 20:28 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I wrote to rizen describin all of the issues that were obvious to me. | 20:30 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: (I'm not that familiar with WebGUI's codebase yet) | 20:30 |
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@apeiron | perlDreamer, ack | grep? Maybe you want to rethink that. :) | 20:37 |
perlDreamer | ack | ack is to Bill the Cat | 20:38 |
perlDreamer | or do you mean ack 'extras.+?calendar' ? | 20:39 |
@apeiron | I mean piping ack's output to grep is wee bit silly. | 20:39 |
perlDreamer | indeed. old habits die hard | 20:40 |
@apeiron | SquOnk, rizen is on vacation until the ninth, so if you didn't get a response before the 28th or so, you won't get one until then at the very earliest. | 20:40 |
@apeiron | Or you shouldn't count on getting one before then. | 20:41 |
SquOnk | apeiron: Thanks. I wrote today. | 20:41 |
@apeiron | SquOnk, I would suggest a devlist post as well. | 20:41 |
perlDreamer | yeah, the ProjectManager is khenn's baby, and he's not often in IRC | 20:42 |
perlDreamer | it may be like a 5-minute job to yank out the old calendar to replace it with the new | 20:42 |
perlDreamer | or not :( | 20:42 |
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Meatbop | perlDreamer - you around? I hear you worked on Product | 20:43 |
perlDreamer | I'm here, Meatbop | 20:43 |
perlDreamer | I hope that long pause isn't you loading a shotgun :) | 20:44 |
Meatbop | heh, no | 20:44 |
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perlDreamer | just who wrote this buggy product export code, anyway?!! | 23:08 |
* preaction_ slinks away stealthily | 23:10 |
perlDreamer | preaction should not feel bad for perlDreamer's buggy product code | 23:10 |
perlDreamer | neither should preaction_ | 23:11 |
@preaction_ | you sounded angry. anger has a way of getting redirected to the nearest available patsy | 23:11 |
perlDreamer | preaction_ is not a patsy. Those slots are reserved for those who !grok('perl') | 23:13 |
perlDreamer | so I'll blame Mephisto | 23:13 |
perlDreamer | I mean Tavisto | 23:13 |
@preaction_ | or CIA-6 | 23:14 |
@preaction_ | he doesn't know perl | 23:14 |
@preaction_ | CIA-6, botsnack? | 23:15 |
@preaction_ | he doesn't even like treats! | 23:15 |
diakopter | bad bot | 23:15 |
perlDreamer | CIA-6 _is_ perl, yet he does not know. This is tragic | 23:15 |
@preaction_ | perlbot botsnack | 23:15 |
perlbot | I'm not your prank monkey | 23:15 |
@preaction_ | how rude | 23:15 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, The CIA bots are in Perl? oO | 23:23 |
perlDreamer | Why would you write a bot in anything else? :) | 23:23 |
perlDreamer | but I'm slightly biased | 23:23 |
@apeiron | http://code.google.com/p/cia-vc/source/browse # unfortunately, they disagree | 23:24 |
@apeiron | There's Python, Erlang (oO) and C, but no Perl that I can find. | 23:25 |
perlDreamer | what is this oO thing you keep using, apeiron? | 23:32 |
@apeiron | It's an emoticon that represents an arched eyebrow, at least when I use it. | 23:32 |
perlDreamer | to me, it looks like part of the acronym for openOffice. But I'll keep the eyebrow thing in mind. | 23:33 |
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SquOnk | Erlang is great for distributed systems. | 23:53 |
perlDreamer | where does the WRE keep webgui site logs? | 23:53 |
@preaction_ | in /data/domains/*/logs | 23:54 |
slickware | it could be someone suffering from a Hydrocele | 23:54 |
slickware | (oO) | 23:54 |
slickware | heh. today we learned a new word! | 23:55 |
SquOnk | ../t/AdSpace/Ad.................................ok 1/43Usage: UNIVERSAL::isa(reference, kind) at /usr/share/perl5/UNIVERSAL/isa.pm line 65. | 23:59 |
SquOnk | ../t/AdSpace/Ad.................................dubious | 23:59 |
SquOnk | Test returned status 0 (wstat 11, 0xb) | 23:59 |
SquOnk | DIED. FAILED tests 4-43 | 23:59 |
SquOnk | Failed 40/43 tests, 6.98% okay | 23:59 |
SquOnk | ... | 23:59 |
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perlDreamer | SquOnk: Are you fully up to date, or is this 7.5.10? | 00:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: 7.5.10 | 00:01 |
SquOnk | Getting back to the JS stuff we were talking about before. | 00:01 |
perlDreamer | yeah, I'd expect those, and they're "real" in that the tests are out of date from the code. | 00:01 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok, not to worry | 00:03 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Wait, that's 7.4.39! | 00:03 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: But don't mind me. | 00:04 |
SquOnk | I'm not a subscriber of the developers mailing-list. Do I need to subscribe in order to post? | 00:04 |
@preaction_ | no. you might need an account on webgui.org though | 00:14 |
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SquOnk | All right, just posted to Webgui Dev. | 00:32 |
SquOnk | How long does it take to show in the forum? | 00:33 |
perlDreamer | it's rev 6558, and I tested it manually | 00:33 |
perlDreamer | SquOnk: It's there now | 00:34 |
SquOnk | Excellent. It's a little long, but that's just how I write :-) | 00:34 |
SquOnk | It's pretty much what I wrote to JT this morning | 00:35 |
perlDreamer | SquOnk: I added the blurb about the ProjectManager from this morning. | 00:38 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Ok. As you've probably figured out, the best thing is to remove anything not being used :-) | 00:38 |
perlDreamer | You could package wG without the ProjectManager. There's no easy upgrade path to get it, though. | 00:39 |
perlDreamer | I'd rather see it changed to use YUI instead. | 00:39 |
perlDreamer | but that's my opinion | 00:39 |
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perlDreamer | coolmenus is used by some default Navigation templates | 00:39 |
@preaction_ | yeah, we want to get rid of it though | 00:41 |
@preaction_ | and those | 00:41 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6558 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): provide a template var that will tell the user when there are no available variants for sale. Out of stock | 00:41 |
@preaction_ | the www/extras/slider should be replaced with the yui slider control probably | 00:42 |
SquOnk | Well, hopefully the webgui community will decide what is best. | 00:44 |
SquOnk | Remove what needs to be removed, replace what needs to be replaced and defer what needs to be deferred. | 00:44 |
perlDreamer | And we know the status of the debian package, too. | 00:44 |
SquOnk | As I mention in the post YUI an TinyMCE2 _are_ in Debian, so it will just be a couple of symlinks. | 00:44 |
SquOnk | ...and the YUI symlink is working fine. | 00:44 |
perlDreamer | I found another place where the extras/calendar is used, and I updated the thread with it | 00:45 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Debian will have 7.5.X. I have specially crafted 7.4.39 packages for Debian Etch. | 00:45 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: (Those are the packages my customers are using now) | 00:45 |
perlDreamer | they meet the license restrictions? | 00:46 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: No :-) | 00:46 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: They are installed from my repositories. | 00:46 |
perlDreamer | ah, okay | 00:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: By "specially crafted" I mean I had to replace some other Debian packages... | 00:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...since Etch has older versions of HTML::Template, Test::Deep... | 00:47 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: A nice thing that the Debian package has is the ability to upgrade itself. | 00:49 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I just cd into my webgui source package and do 'uscan'... | 00:49 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...it checks whether or not there's a new release of webgui in plainblack.org... | 00:49 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...and downloads it, renaming it to the appropiate .tar.gz as required by Debian | 00:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: ...then I do uupgrade ../webgui*tar.gz | 00:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: It unpacks, applies my "debianizing patches" to it and sets a new changelog entry for the upgrade | 00:50 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Then I just dpkg-buildpackage :-) | 00:51 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, hopefully some stuff will get deleted in 7.5.11 and when I upgrade it will all be ok... | 00:52 |
perlDreamer | that's what it sounds like, but we're hard pressed to make 7.5.11 with the current requirements | 00:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: I know | 00:53 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: In fact, I'm trying myself to add the POD documentation to the Perl scripts :-) | 00:54 |
SquOnk | Speaking of that, I'll refresh my SVN copy | 00:55 |
SquOnk | I'm supposed to have commit privileges | 00:57 |
SquOnk | 6559 is the current version, right? | 01:00 |
@preaction_ | yes | 01:03 |
SquOnk | All right, here come the PODs :-) | 01:06 |
SquOnk | I've written a proper POD document for each sbin/*.pl | 01:06 |
SquOnk | And it uses POD::Usage so you can: | 01:06 |
SquOnk | perldoc blah.pl | 01:06 |
SquOnk | (you get a full manpage) | 01:06 |
SquOnk | blah.pl --help | 01:06 |
SquOnk | (you get a full manpage) | 01:06 |
SquOnk | blah.pl --wrong stuff --or incomplete | 01:07 |
SquOnk | (you get a summary) | 01:07 |
SquOnk | This will be my first commit to WebGUI :-) | 01:07 |
SquOnk | There you go. | 01:10 |
SquOnk | Anyone care to try it? | 01:10 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6559 /WebGUI/www/extras/yui-carousel: Removed yui-carousel since it is not being used | 01:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6560 /WebGUI/sbin/ (15 files): Added proper POD documentation to utility scripts using POD::Usage. | 01:11 |
SquOnk | All right. That's it for today. | 01:12 |
SquOnk | See you guys tomorrow (with hopefully more unused stuff deletions ;-) | 01:13 |
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perlDreame1 | stupid incompetent $dayJob! Can't even keep the bits flowing | 01:14 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6561 /WebGUI/sbin/spectre.pl: | 01:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Removed a hardcoded pathname in the POD that makes sense only | 01:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: for the Debian package. Sorry! | 01:33 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6562 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/default_product.wgpkg: Total reworking of the layout for Product template | 01:55 |
perlDreame1 | and it looks much better, too | 01:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6563 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): add more export products tests, along with several bug fixes | 02:20 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6564 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fix: Gallery search now limits by classname correctly | 02:48 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6565 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): added a flag to distinguish between albums and files | 02:48 |
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perlDreamer | I need some HTML formatting advice for the Product | 06:33 |
perlDreamer | The user gets shown a list of variants in a dropdown | 06:33 |
perlDreamer | each entry in the dropdown contains the short description followed by the price | 06:34 |
perlDreamer | since the prices and descriptions are different widths, it looks sloppy | 06:34 |
perlDreamer | using sprintf doesn't do much to help (%s makes spaces, not nbsp's) | 06:34 |
diakopter | perlDreamer: you could put the short descriptions and prices on different lines, and mark the price lines as "headings" (or whatever it's called), so they're not selectable. | 06:39 |
perlDreamer | different lines in the dropdown? | 06:40 |
diakopter | yeah | 06:40 |
perlDreamer | I'm using a Form control to build the dropdown, which means I'd need to modify that as well. | 06:43 |
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perlDreamer |  's seem to work | 06:45 |
perlDreamer | of course, trying to align text with a proportional font is sheer lunacy | 06:51 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6566 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: tidy up a bit and add a price to the variant dropdown | 08:08 |
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wgGuest09 | Hello | 15:57 |
wgGuest09 | nwb from holand | 15:57 |
wgGuest09 | i de like to setup ecommerce using paypal as payement method is this possible | 15:59 |
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wgGuest09 | hi does someone have a clue if there is a paypal plugin yet | 16:07 |
wgGuest09 | do u know may where i can look? | 16:11 |
wgGuest09 | obviously no one is here | 16:13 |
wgGuest09 | bye all | 16:13 |
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perlDreamer | anyone remember which record Andy Dufresne played over the prison PA system? | 00:11 |
@apeiron | Wikipedia says "Sull'aria Che soave zeffiretto" | 00:12 |
perlDreamer | thanks, apeiron! | 00:14 |
@apeiron | It's in the article on the movie. | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | I need more testing collateral | 00:16 |
perlDreamer | apeiron: Have you heard that Phoenix's screens are clogged? | 00:18 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, gack, no es bueno. | 00:18 |
perlDreamer | they say the problem is that the soil's too clumpy | 00:18 |
@apeiron | hrm. The question then becomes how it got that way. | 00:19 |
perlDreamer | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20080607/sc_space/martiansoilsampleclogsphoenixprobesoven;_ylt=Av2OMmeM1LB3dix5GaDWumGs0NUE | 00:19 |
perlDreamer | I'm hoping it didn't have something to do with the landing rockets :/ | 00:19 |
@apeiron | le sigh | 00:20 |
@apeiron | I'm by no stretch a geologist (or exogeologist (xenogeologist?) for that matter). Am quite curious about how the soil is clumpy. | 00:20 |
perlDreamer | organic matter? :) | 00:22 |
perlDreamer | oil leak from the landing struts? | 00:22 |
@apeiron | Or some other kind of liquid from the lander. | 00:23 |
perlDreamer | mmm, lander liquid | 00:23 |
perlDreamer | sounds like the coffee from last year's WUC | 00:23 |
@apeiron | heh, yeah. | 00:24 |
@apeiron | Did you see the telecon yesterday? | 00:25 |
@apeiron | Well, yesterday's telecon, as you can download it. | 00:25 |
perlDreamer | No, I haven't yet. | 00:26 |
perlDreamer | Where is it downloadable from? | 00:26 |
@apeiron | Oh, no, wait, it can't have been yesterday, sorry. | 00:26 |
@apeiron | Sorry, 't was Wednesday. | 00:27 |
@apeiron | As for the video, I'm not sure where it is on their site. I managed to save most of it to disk and will let you download it directly from me if I can't fin dit. | 00:28 |
perlDreamer | cool, thanks! | 00:33 |
perlDreamer | I think I'm averaging about 1 bug per line of code on the Product importer/exporter. | 00:33 |
perlDreamer | I'm thinking that's too high. | 00:34 |
@apeiron | eep | 00:34 |
@apeiron | More tests! | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | indeed | 00:34 |
@apeiron | For the video, do you have the ability to view QuickTime movies? | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | No | 00:38 |
perlDreamer | I've been procrastinating fixing the multimedia on my laptop 'til I upgrade to FC9 | 00:38 |
@apeiron | doh. In the meantime, you can listen to audio telecons. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/multimedia/audiobriefing-20080606.html and the archive at http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/multimedia/media-audio_archive_1.html | 00:40 |
perlDreamer | thanks | 00:51 |
perlDreamer | argh! | 00:51 |
perlDreamer | and there's another good one for the wG Programming Mistakes talk | 00:51 |
perlDreamer | see if you can figure this one out: my %productCollateral = @productRow{ @collateralFields }; | 00:52 |
@apeiron | er. you're getting a list of values, not a hash. :) | 00:54 |
@apeiron | (though of course it'll be *interpreted* as a hash and will continue silently) | 00:55 |
@apeiron | (... unless it's uneven) | 00:55 |
perlDreamer | yup, that's right | 00:56 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6567 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm t/Shop/Products.t): add tests for upgrading existing products, with bug fixes | 01:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6568 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add missing collateral from previous commit, add more tests for import | 01:37 |
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wgGuest11 | Hello how are you | 14:36 |
wgGuest11 | can u help i seem not ot find answer on faqs | 14:38 |
wgGuest11 | am nwb how can i make a table of clickable images | 14:39 |
wgGuest11 | sorry to disturb can someone help | 14:43 |
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wgGuest18 | hello | 14:51 |
wgGuest18 | nwb need help | 14:54 |
wgGuest18 | hello apeiron | 15:08 |
wgGuest18 | can u help | 15:08 |
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wgGuest14 | hi | 17:25 |
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pilaf153 | Is release 7.5.11 still on track to be out this week? | 17:31 |
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wgGuest14 | hi | 18:44 |
wgGuest14 | how table of images | 18:44 |
wgGuest14 | hi | 19:03 |
wgGuest14 | my webgui site crashed is there a known bug for 7-4-35 | 19:04 |
wgGuest14 | happenned while was editing a page in middle of a copy and paste action | 19:05 |
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wgGuest29 | hi | 19:53 |
wgGuest29 | i have a question | 19:53 |
wgGuest29 | how do u buiild a page with a table of clickable images\ | 19:54 |
wgGuest29 | someoe plz help | 19:54 |
wgGuest29 | is it possible? | 19:56 |
wgGuest29 | where do i look? | 19:56 |
wgGuest29 | ? | 19:57 |
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nuba | its impressive how many times, and for how long, he keeps getting here to ask something that looks like its not a webgui question | 20:50 |
@apeiron | I would answer but I'm teh fail at markup. | 20:50 |
nuba | if only he would stay around so that he could be properly hinted at the right direction | 20:50 |
@apeiron | And I imagine many people here are the same way. | 20:50 |
@apeiron | (i.e., perl coders, not designers) | 20:51 |
nuba | by the gist of it, seems like he wants something fireworks-ish | 20:52 |
nuba | last time i did that kind of stuff, fireworks was still macromedia's | 20:52 |
nuba | most people i know moved away from sliced image menus | 20:54 |
@apeiron | hm. Would an imagemap suffice? | 20:54 |
nuba | usually brings bad usability, bad for searchbots, worst than smart css, bad mojo in general | 20:54 |
nuba | and image menus are a PITA to mantain, if built with photoshop | 20:55 |
nuba | add a new section to our website, and you need to work on the image again. Wheres the font? Wheres the psd file? what was the mouseover color again? and so on | 20:56 |
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wgGuest63 | hi | 00:59 |
wgGuest63 | does someone knows how to show a table of clickable images | 01:00 |
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wgGuest24 | hi | 01:05 |
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wgGuest24 | howto make a table of images | 01:05 |
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wgGuest26 | hello | 06:08 |
wgGuest26 | good day to you | 06:08 |
wgGuest26 | plz can u help me find a solution to my pb | 06:09 |
wgGuest26 | is someone there??? | 06:09 |
wgGuest26 | is this thing working? | 06:10 |
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wgGuest26 | hi | 06:18 |
wgGuest26 | someone | 06:18 |
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wgGuest26 | hi | 06:22 |
wgGuest26 | steveo | 06:22 |
wgGuest26 | am from holland am nwb | 06:23 |
wgGuest26 | hi | 06:26 |
+Radix-wrk | hi wgGuest26 | 06:28 |
+Radix-wrk | What's your problem.. I can't guarantee I can help, but I'm a good listener ;) | 06:29 |
+Radix-wrk | You'll generally find the best way to get help on here is to ask, then be really patient and wait.. a lot of people idle on here and won't see your question straight away. Also helps to ask when most of the US people are awake too ;) | 06:31 |
wgGuest26 | thanks radix | 06:32 |
wgGuest26 | my question is want to include a table with clickable images | 06:33 |
wgGuest26 | like icons | 06:34 |
+Radix-wrk | Shouldn't be a big issue - what's the problem exactly? | 06:35 |
+Radix-wrk | that kind of thing is done purely in html | 06:35 |
+Radix-wrk | or html + a bit of css if you do it right | 06:35 |
+Radix-wrk | It's probably not the kind of thing you could do easily with the inbuilt html editor - but it's possible. | 06:36 |
wgGuest26 | ok | 06:36 |
wgGuest26 | did u see something like that somewhere | 06:37 |
wgGuest26 | what is your advice | 06:38 |
+Radix-wrk | You may find it easier to design something like that using a full html editor and then pasting the html code into an article or snippet. | 06:39 |
+Radix-wrk | there's not going to be anything in webgui to help you do that kind of thing - that's purely a html problem. | 06:39 |
wgGuest26 | am new dont have a clue of webgui | 06:40 |
+Radix-wrk | Sounds like all you need to do is add a table, then click in each cell in the table and add the image you want | 06:40 |
+Radix-wrk | then add a link to each one of the images | 06:40 |
wgGuest26 | thought i can do that in webgui that s all | 06:41 |
wgGuest26 | am using firefox difficult to paste | 06:42 |
wgGuest26 | so i need first to change editor in settings somewhre | 06:43 |
wgGuest26 | than it is obvious | 06:43 |
+Radix-wrk | you can paste in firefox, just don't use right click to paste | 06:43 |
+Radix-wrk | use Ctrl+V | 06:43 |
wgGuest26 | i dunno | 06:43 |
wgGuest26 | i added a user.js to modify the behavior but works only once then stops | 06:44 |
wgGuest26 | i tried ctrlV | 06:44 |
wgGuest26 | mean i will try | 06:44 |
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wgGuest26 | working for text but not for images | 06:51 |
wgGuest26 | as am on ubuntu | 06:52 |
wgGuest26 | i guess i have to go to a good html editor | 06:52 |
wgGuest26 | thanks for your help radix | 06:52 |
wgGuest26 | bye all | 06:54 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6569 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (7 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Flux now groks Combined Expressions | 07:15 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6570 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (11 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Rules can now be dependent on other rules (with cache-optimisations and infinite loop checks) | 12:16 |
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SDuensin | Morning! | 15:53 |
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dionak | morning! | 16:55 |
diakopter | morning? | 16:55 |
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dionak | well, it is here.. | 16:59 |
dionak | evening for you? | 16:59 |
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juan | i have a strange problem | 17:42 |
juan | in one of my sites an asset disappear and i can not find it | 17:43 |
juan | in assets i am looking for it in the path it was located but it is not there | 17:44 |
juan | in trash isn't too | 17:44 |
juan | so, i don't know what is my asset | 17:45 |
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juan | how can i find it? | 17:50 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6571 /WebGUI/sbin/ (16 files): | 18:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Used B<> instead of C<> when highlighting options and parameters in | 18:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: POD documentation. Not only do they look nicer emboldened, but it's | 18:00 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: also what's suggested in perlpod. | 18:00 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 18:26 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6572 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added a POD template and pod2usage sample invocation to _utility.skeleton. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6573 /WebGUI/sbin/ (3 files): Added missing copyright notice to utility scripts. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6574 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added sample copyright notice to skeleton utility script. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6575 /WebGUI/sbin/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make sure $webguiRoot is setup consistently in all utility scripts. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Some scripts had a hardcoded use lib "../lib" and "../.." on | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Session/Config method calls. This was changed to a BEGIN prologue | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: where @INC gets $webguiRoot added, and the method calls use | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: $webguiRoot instead. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: This eases the creation of patches for filesystem reorganization of | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6576 /WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton: Added $webguiRoot and BEGIN preamble to utility skeleton. | 18:28 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6577 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (12 files): (log message trimmed) | 18:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Make sure $webguiRoot is setup consistently in all upgrade scripts. | 18:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: All the scripts had a hardcoded use lib "../../lib" and "../.." | 18:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: on Session method calls. This was changed to a BEGIN prologue | 18:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: where @INC gets $webguiRoot added, and the method calls use | 18:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: $webguiRoot instead. | 18:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: This eases the creation of patches for filesystem reorganization | 18:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6578 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (12 files): | 18:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Upgrade scripts have webguiRoot two directories behind. | 18:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Changed ".." for "../.." in the BEGIN preamble. | 18:53 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: ernesto * r6579 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/_upgrade.skeleton: Added $webguiRoot and BEGIN preamble to upgrade skeleton. | 18:53 |
lisett1 | i have a macro that add a collaboration system, i do this with $asset->addChild, i need enable the rss, and i have rssCapableRssEnabled =>1, but this don't work, then i edit this by the browser, without making changes, I click over there and save if it works, I can miss in the macro? | 18:56 |
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lisett1 | ? | 19:19 |
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lisett1 | i have a macro that add a collaboration system, i do this with $asset->addChild, i need enable the rss, and i have rssCapableRssEnabled =>1, but this don't work, then i edit this by the browser, without making changes, I click over there and save if it works, I can miss in the macro? | 19:32 |
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dionak | when you addchild with your macro is rssCapableRssEnabled set to 1 in the db? | 19:45 |
dionak | that would be the first thing i would check | 19:45 |
lisett1 | the addchild doesn't save inmediately in the db? | 19:47 |
lisett1 | the rss is not stored in the table collaboration | 19:56 |
juan | i have a page layout and inside it i have many assets that can only view by the registered users | 20:14 |
juan | i want to change it the permission to everyone | 20:15 |
juan | can i change it recursively? | 20:15 |
juan | or have to edit every asset? | 20:15 |
topsub | is it possible to do a one to many with thingy? I see how to do one to one with thingy but not one to many. | 20:22 |
bopbop | juan: you should be able to do it through edit branch, but it will affect any page layouts under that page as well | 20:22 |
bopbop | so be careful- don't use it if you have subpages under that page layout | 20:22 |
juan | ok | 20:24 |
juan | thanks | 20:27 |
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nuba | this is interesting, theres a bunch of languages like python, php, ruby, ml, etc for which MS is adding support in .NET | 22:03 |
nuba | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DotNET | 22:03 |
nuba | perl is missing there, tho | 22:03 |
xdanger | I think when they get perl6 out, someone will do a interpeter that'll run in .NET | 22:13 |
perlDreamer | I think when they get parrot out, it will supplant .NET | 22:13 |
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nuba | when they get parrout out.. yeah.. | 22:22 |
perlDreamer | well, I can hope, anyway :) | 22:22 |
ckotil | iphone 3g!! | 22:22 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6580 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items_my-purchases-detail-default.wgpkg: Redid the layout for the My Purchases & Details display | 22:22 |
@apeiron | You're kidding, they're not letting you buy them online? oO | 22:23 |
juan | i have a strange error with one of my sites. the error is with spectre and is the next: | 22:39 |
juan | ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[948] - CRON: Response for job www.telecinco.com.co.conf-pbcron0000000000000004 had a communications error. <HTML> | 22:39 |
juan | <HEAD><TITLE>An Error Occurred</TITLE></HEAD> | 22:39 |
juan | <BODY> | 22:39 |
juan | <H1>An Error Occurred</H1> | 22:39 |
juan | 500 Internal Server Error | 22:39 |
juan | </BODY> | 22:39 |
juan | </HTML> | 22:39 |
@preaction | juan, do not paste here. use a pastebin | 22:39 |
juan | ok | 22:39 |
juan | excuseme | 22:39 |
@preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com | 22:39 |
juan | yes, i know | 22:39 |
@preaction | also, that error usually means that spectre couldn't communicate with webgui | 22:40 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5a9b0b9b | 22:40 |
juan | i executed perl spectre.pl --test | 22:41 |
juan | and all is ok | 22:41 |
@preaction | it could've been a temporary hiccup | 22:41 |
juan | and the problem is with all the sites | 22:42 |
juan | by the moment all seems be ok | 22:42 |
perlDreamer | they all share one WebGUI code and 1 spectre | 22:42 |
juan | but then many errors like this start to appear in the webgui.log | 22:42 |
perlDreamer | hold that paste :) | 22:42 |
perlDreamer | use a pastebin | 22:43 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m604dfad | 22:43 |
perlDreamer | prection has a quick trigger finger | 22:43 |
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juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m113111 | 22:45 |
juan | more erros | 22:45 |
juan | more errors | 22:45 |
juan | the errors appear by moments | 22:46 |
juan | do you know, what is happening? | 22:50 |
juan | preaction, do you know what is happening with these errors? | 22:57 |
@preaction | i gave you my best guess already | 22:57 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added a thumbnail for the photo edit screen | 23:27 |
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juan | perlDreamer, i was upgrading to the latest version of webgui and now i have a strange problem in one of my sites. i have mi site in spanish and with visitor many words with accents have strange symbols, but when i registered as admin users the words appear ok | 23:53 |
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perlDreamer | jua1, what's the URL for the site? | 00:01 |
juan | http://www.viajesveracruz.com/home/conoce-mas-de-viajes-veracruz | 00:04 |
perlDreamer | and it looks fine as admin? | 00:05 |
perlDreamer | how about other users? | 00:05 |
perlDreamer | I guess what I'm asking is if it's only Visitor | 00:05 |
juan | yes | 00:06 |
perlDreamer | Have you checked the profile for Visitor, to make sure his language is still Spanish? | 00:06 |
juan | visitor has spanish as a default language | 00:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6581 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added a thumbnail for the photo edit screen | 00:07 |
perlDreamer | which version did you start at, and which version did you upgrade to? | 00:07 |
juan | I was in 7.4.32 and now i am in 7.4.39 | 00:08 |
perlDreamer | did you read the gotchas.txt file in the docs directory to look for problems? | 00:09 |
juan | with another user the words appear ok | 00:09 |
perlDreamer | well, this is what I would do. | 00:09 |
perlDreamer | This certainly looks like a bug. | 00:09 |
perlDreamer | but first, read through the changelog and the gotchas files in the docs directory | 00:10 |
perlDreamer | /data/WebGUI/docs | 00:10 |
perlDreamer | if you don't see anything in there, then file it as a bug. | 00:10 |
perlDreamer | be sure to put URLs to the affected site | 00:10 |
juan | i don't see anything there | 00:12 |
juan | but i have some sites in the same server and only this site has this problem | 00:12 |
juan | the other sites are ok | 00:12 |
perlDreamer | Do the other sites have similar content? | 00:13 |
juan | yes | 00:14 |
perlDreamer | I would still file this as a bug, but first I would do this | 00:14 |
perlDreamer | Make a package out of the affected page | 00:14 |
perlDreamer | and save it | 00:14 |
perlDreamer | You can probably fix the problem by editing the asset, deleting the bad title and entering it in again. | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | attach the package to the bug | 00:15 |
juan | http://www.supernotariado.gov.co | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | oh, and take a few screen shots as well | 00:15 |
perlDreamer | that site looks okay to me | 00:16 |
juan | yes | 00:16 |
juan | if i edit the asset, the problem is fixed. | 00:22 |
juan | thanks | 00:23 |
perlDreamer | you're welcome | 00:23 |
perlDreamer | :w | 00:23 |
perlDreamer | juan, I don't know if it was just a hiccup, or a larger problem. Please do file that as a bug. | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | You might be making life easier for a lot of other i18n WebGUI users | 00:31 |
juan | ok | 01:01 |
juan | perlDreamer, I want to view more specifics errors about spectre, can i do that? | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | not without adding in the error messages yourself | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | I saw your earlier posts about pbcron00000000000004 | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | there is some action in that workflow that is having problems | 01:04 |
perlDreamer | I don't know which one | 01:04 |
juan | because the problem continous and the this process is consuming a lot of memory in the server and high cpu | 01:05 |
juan | but the problem is with differents workflows | 01:08 |
juan | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5519b885 | 01:08 |
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juan | if i check in my server. there are several process running of spectre | 01:15 |
juan | i kill all of them and start the spectre again | 01:15 |
juan | at this point the error that i showed you before disappear | 01:16 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6582 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): added ability to configure number of files per page in the galleryalbum | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6583 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Convert WebGUI::Shop::Products over to be object oriented. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update the tests and Content plugin for the Shop. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add the Products screen to the Shop admin screen. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add exception handling to www_import. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a status message to the manage products screen. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6584 /WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce2: not needed | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6585 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Products.pm: | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Handle autocommit of products from the settings. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Tweak an error message. Showing the file isn't that useful. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6586 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Shop/Products.pm i18n/English/Shop.pm): Add a convenience link to the Asset Manager on the Import Product node. | 01:38 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6587 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (4 files): rename the PayDriver plugin i18n files | 01:38 |
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SquOnk | Hi everyone | 02:06 |
perlDreamer | Hi, SquOnk | 02:06 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Looks like everything I complained about it's just about to go :-) | 02:07 |
perlDreamer | excellent! | 02:07 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Did you see the patches I commited today (POD for the sbin scripts and some cleanup of webguiRoot finding) | 02:08 |
perlDreamer | I saw the POD, but didn't see the webguiRoot finding stuff. Is that in the sbin scripts? | 02:08 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: Yeah... some of the scripts had hardcoded ".." and "../lib" paths here and ther. | 02:10 |
perlDreamer | that's no good | 02:10 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: What I did was add a $webguiRoot variable, set that variable to whatever path is needed, place that in a BEGIN block so it gets unshifted into @INC. | 02:10 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And removed the hardcoded references by $webguiRoot. | 02:11 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: That way, it's easier to patch the code to change $webguiRoot | 02:11 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: And I added the code both to the _utility.skeleton and _upgrade.skeleton :-) | 02:11 |
perlDreamer | good | 02:12 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: So, now every sbin and upgrade script has a consistent usage of webguiRoot, and hopefully the future ones will too. | 02:13 |
SquOnk | perlDreamer: There were a couple of missing copyright notices too. | 02:13 |
SquOnk | Where should I file the bugs? | 02:24 |
SquOnk | JT asked me to file a bug for each complaint... | 02:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6588 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Admin.pm: fix the shop admin screen icon | 02:33 |
@apeiron | SquOnk, http://www.webgui.org/bugs , it's the "file a bug" link on the left side. | 02:36 |
@apeiron | SquOnk, You'll need to create an account and be logged in to file bugs. | 02:36 |
SquOnk | apeiron: Already there, thanks :-) | 02:36 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: bugs is http://www.webgui.org/bugs | 02:36 |
perlbot | I already have an entry for bugs | 02:36 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: bugs | 02:36 |
perlbot | http://tinyurl.com/glbun | 02:36 |
@apeiron | heh | 02:36 |
@apeiron | perlbot, webgui bugs is http://www.webgui.org/bugs | 02:36 |
perlbot | added webgui bugs to the database | 02:36 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Best to namespace general things like that, as perlbot is in more channels than just #webgui. :) | 02:37 |
@apeiron | That way you're not overwriting #perl's 'bugs' factoid and they're not overwriting ##c's null factoid, etc. | 02:37 |
perlDreamer | perlbug webgui_bugs is http://www.webugi.org/bugs | 02:37 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_bugs is http://www.webugi.org/bugs | 02:38 |
perlbot | added webgui_bugs to the database | 02:38 |
perlDreamer | perlbut: webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:38 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:38 |
perlDreamer | great, now he's not talking to me anymore | 02:38 |
@apeiron | perlbot, hi | 02:39 |
perlbot | hi apeiron | 02:39 |
@apeiron | perlbot, webgui_rfes is http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:39 |
perlbot | added webgui_rfes to the database | 02:39 |
@apeiron | hrm | 02:39 |
perlDreamer | see, I'm a jilted developer | 02:42 |
perlDreamer | perlbot: webgui_rfes | 02:42 |
perlbot | http://www.webgui.org/rfes | 02:42 |
@apeiron | It may have rate limited you. | 02:48 |
@apeiron | That's my best guess. | 02:48 |
* perlDreamer is a bot cracker | 02:48 |
@apeiron | xdanger, You hear that? | 02:49 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6589 /WebGUI/docs/previousVersion.sql: switch sunset to kalamazoo | 02:53 |
xdanger | I'm not a bot =) I just idle alot =) | 03:01 |
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pilaf153 | ok I found a webgui commerce primer to purchase for 7.4 but I am using 7.5 does the primer still work for this version | 03:18 |
perlDreamer | it will until 7.5.11 | 03:18 |
perlDreamer | after that, no guarantees :) | 03:19 |
pilaf153 | is 7.5.11 going to be much easier to use | 03:20 |
pilaf153 | commerce wise | 03:20 |
pilaf153 | The macros have got me completly confused because I have been working on trying to implement them for a while but gave up for a week or two thinking 7.5.11 wont deal with them but now I am to the point where I can see if it does not get any more user friendly I will need to purchase something to help me | 03:22 |
perlDreamer | it's a very different concept. | 03:23 |
perlDreamer | products and now really assets | 03:23 |
pilaf153 | ah | 03:24 |
perlDreamer | and you only need a macro to help you with the cart | 03:24 |
pilaf153 | that will help | 03:24 |
perlDreamer | the commerce management is completely redone, and much simpler | 03:24 |
perlDreamer | the user experience is nicer | 03:24 |
pilaf153 | cool | 03:24 |
pilaf153 | well I will wait then upgrade and see if I can figure it out | 03:24 |
pilaf153 | I have not got the cart up yet | 03:24 |
pilaf153 | because the macros have me going crazy | 03:25 |
perlDreamer | have you set up payment and shipping plugins? | 03:25 |
pilaf153 | if I need to purchase something to help with that part do you have a recommendation | 03:25 |
pilaf153 | yeah I have set up the plugins | 03:25 |
perlDreamer | what exactly is the problem that you're having? | 03:25 |
pilaf153 | I am not sure how to get a shopping cart link | 03:26 |
pilaf153 | for the user | 03:26 |
perlDreamer | it should be provided by the macro, iirc. Can you show me a page? | 03:26 |
pilaf153 | I cant right now because the server is off and I am not located where the server is at the moment but I have tried adding the macro to the config file but then I am nto sure how to utilize the macro | 03:27 |
perlDreamer | you call the ^Product() macro with a productId (from the Commerce Product system), or a SKU from any product in that system. | 03:28 |
perlDreamer | so, you become admin, turn on admin, select Products from the Admin Bar | 03:29 |
perlDreamer | add some products, noting the productId for each one | 03:29 |
perlDreamer | then on a page, you drop 1 macro for each product | 03:29 |
perlDreamer | isn't that covered in the commerce primer? | 03:29 |
pilaf153 | I havent bought the primer yet because I was unsure if it would be for 7.5 | 03:30 |
perlDreamer | ah | 03:31 |
perlDreamer | well, that's the gist of it right there | 03:31 |
perlDreamer | that will be 25 US$, please :) | 03:31 |
pilaf153 | lol | 03:32 |
* perlDreamer goes to play with a very impatient 7-year old | 03:32 |
pilaf153 | so if I have the product macro in the config file that should all work | 03:32 |
SquOnk | My impatient 5-year old is playing with his grandma | 03:32 |
pilaf153 | cool thanks | 03:32 |
pilaf153 | no 5 year old here | 03:33 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6590 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: fix a bug in edit variant | 04:32 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6591 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 04:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix getCollateral, which used to return direct copies instead of safe copies, and | 04:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: add a test for that. | 04:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: addToCart does not adjust inventory, that is handled by the cart. | 04:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Invert the sense of quantity in onAdjustQuantity. | 04:52 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6592 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: Refactored Rule.pm and uncovered a List::MoreUtils segfault | 06:00 |
perlDreamer | hack on, patspam! | 06:07 |
patspam | heh | 06:08 |
patspam | strange that List::MoreUtils::any() was seg-faulting | 06:09 |
patspam | just the XS version, problem goes away if you set LIST_MOREUTILS_PP env variable so that it uses pure perl | 06:09 |
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patspam | i wonder if it's because I'm using wre-0.8.3-ubuntu-7.04-feisty on Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy | 06:11 |
perlDreamer | patspam, have you benchmarked any() vs WebGUI::Utils::isIn? | 06:14 |
patspam | isIn() doesn't meet my needs, I'm using any like: any {!$_->evaluate()} @list | 06:17 |
perlDreamer | ah | 06:17 |
perlDreamer | I was actually wondering if any() could replace the current guts of isIn | 06:17 |
patspam | I'm after the short-circuit behaviour | 06:18 |
perlDreamer | but that would only make sense if it was faster | 06:18 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6593 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: add POD, change spacing | 06:47 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6594 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): the MORE menu exists now, but ... it doesn't show up with the right style, nor in the right place. Work continues. | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6595 /WebGUI/docs/ (upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl gotcha.txt): | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Move the deleteOldCommerceCode subroutine in the upgrade script to the end for safety. | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Deleted all templates in Commerce related namespaces. | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Deleted the commerceSettings table. | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added notes to the gotchas about the template deletions. | 09:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6596 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: add EventManagementSystem_product to the list of template namespaces that are deleted | 09:05 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6597 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (26 files in 9 dirs): | 12:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: finished refactoring modules | 12:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Modifiers now correctly applied to Operands | 12:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Added DateTime Operand | 12:54 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Timezone can now be specified as 'user' to dynamically user user's tz | 12:54 |
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SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:02 |
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juan | can i stablish the same date format for all the users that can be registered in the site?= | 17:48 |
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perlDreamer | Is anyone else have problems reaching www.webgui.org? It's really slow. | 19:55 |
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@preaction | no. it seems down completely to me | 19:57 |
@preaction | wait, it's back... just yeah extremely slow | 19:57 |
perlDreamer | I'll be patient | 19:59 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6598 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Prune old EventManagementSystem stuff in www/extras | 19:59 |
perlDreamer | MrHairgrease graduates in 9 days | 19:59 |
perlDreamer | Is anyone interested in sending him a card and some kind of present? | 20:00 |
@khenn | I'm guessing the dutch team is busy watching the Euro Cup like everyone else in Europe =p | 20:00 |
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perlDreamer | besides, if he's not in the room, it will make it easier to arrange a gift, if people are amenable. | 20:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6599 /WebGUI/sbin/preload.exclude.example: | 20:26 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: Update preload.exclude.example to remove Commerce stuff and | 20:26 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: include Shop. | 20:26 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6600 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items-1.wgpkg: remove an old template | 20:54 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6601 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add subscription assets to the user's config file and the example config file. | 21:21 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6602 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items-1.wgpkg: templates i forgot to check in before | 21:50 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6603 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Shop.pm i18n/English/Shop.pm): first batch of Shop template variables | 21:50 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6604 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (12 files): getting value for display shouldn't process form parameters | 21:50 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6605 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/shopping-cart-collateral-items-1.wgpkg: after having re-redisposed of the old email cash receipt template... | 21:50 |
perlDreamer | hey, tavisto | 21:51 |
perlDreamer | got a hot lead for you | 21:51 |
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perlDreamer | http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9095238 | 21:51 |
@tavisto | wazzabi | 21:51 |
perlDreamer | go sell them on WebGUI | 21:52 |
perlDreamer | great PR | 21:52 |
perlDreamer | good opportunity to help some kids | 21:52 |
perlDreamer | we could even have a WebGUI merit badge | 21:53 |
perlDreamer | do user level testing of WebGUI | 21:53 |
perlDreamer | help translate | 21:53 |
perlDreamer | develop | 21:53 |
@tavisto | um | 21:56 |
@tavisto | This BSA OSS page is a bunch of crap | 21:56 |
@tavisto | I'm getting a headache trying to figure out how this works | 21:56 |
perlDreamer | They need some help. | 21:56 |
perlDreamer | You're da man! | 21:56 |
perlDreamer | Swing in with some marketing mumbo jumbo and save the day, dude. | 21:57 |
@tavisto | the article made sense and it sounded like they were trying to get OSS vendors to help them choose a solution | 21:57 |
@tavisto | from their website: The Boy Scouts Open Source Software Website is an Open Source project. This means that the website is constantly being worked on. You will see construction zone signs on some pages throughout the website from time to time. When you see a construction zone sign this means that we are actively doing work in that area of the website. This does not mean that the area is unusable. However, it is an indication t | 21:58 |
@tavisto | So because it is an Open Source project, it means the website is constantly being worked on? wtf | 21:58 |
@preaction | i thought websites were constantly being worked on, period | 21:59 |
@tavisto | seriously, what CIOs are helping the BSA with their website.... | 21:59 |
@preaction | i think the BSA got fed a line of crap from some fly-by-night teenager with acne and a basement laboratory | 21:59 |
* preaction lives in a second-floor duplex apartment, much nicer | 21:59 |
@tavisto | no because a teenager would know better... I guess some CIOs might be that far out of touch and tossing buzzwords at BSA like playing cornhole | 21:59 |
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@preaction | perlbot .ve | 22:42 |
perlbot | .ve is Venezuela | 22:42 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6606 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): removed cool menus nav in favor of yui nav | 22:56 |
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@Haarg | SquOnk, i was considering adjusting the way utility scripts determine the webgui root path | 23:21 |
@Haarg | would this http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4bf7f388 present any problems for debian stuff? | 23:21 |
SquOnk | Haarg: The scripts have to end up in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, therefore using __FILE__ is not going to help. | 23:23 |
SquOnk | Haarg: I'll still need to write a patch to set $webguiRoot :-) | 23:23 |
@Haarg | ok, seems it wouldn't be much different either way then | 23:24 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6607 /tools/translationserver.cgi: exclude svn dirs from translation tarballs | 23:25 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6608 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm: fixed a bug in the auto start realtime | 23:25 |
SquOnk | Haarg: Exactly | 23:25 |
SquOnk | Haarg: What's needed is a way to set $webguiRoot _somewhere_ that all modules would use. | 23:26 |
SquOnk | Haarg: If we had a single WebGUI::Config module installed in Perl5 standard INC, then $webguiRoot could be defined in there. If webgui were packaged as a standard Perl distribution, this would be a matter of creating a Makefile.PL | 23:27 |
SquOnk | Haarg: However, I'm not sure that's the best way to package WebGUI. | 23:27 |
@Haarg | that's something i've wanted to look at for a while | 23:27 |
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SquOnk | Haarg: Ideally, all of WebGUI's modules could be installed in Perl5 standard/vendor INC vía Makefile.PL rules. | 23:27 |
SquOnk | Haarg: And the sbin scripts would go into /usr/bin as well. | 23:28 |
@Haarg | reducing our reliance on the current fixed file layout would definately be good | 23:28 |
SquOnk | Haarg: But then again, WebGUI has a lot of non-perl stuff and Makefile.PL is not suited for that kind of thing | 23:28 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6609 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Replaced dtree javascript with YUI TreeView. | 00:52 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6610 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm: repair more workflow monitor breakage | 00:52 |
perlDreamer | sphincter factor 9.5 | 00:52 |
perlDreamer | ha! | 00:52 |
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@tavisto | so is CIA-6 connected to SVN or something? | 00:58 |
perlDreamer | yes | 00:58 |
@apeiron | tavisto, cia.vc | 00:58 |
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@apeiron | tavisto, IOW, yes, it monitors SVN for changes and spits them out here. | 00:58 |
@tavisto | wow, had no idea | 00:59 |
@tavisto | I've seen it spew out all that stuff before but guess I never paid attention. thanks | 00:59 |
perlDreamer | you want to see it spit out stuff, it means we're working | 01:08 |
@apeiron | Or acting like it. | 01:12 |
perlDreamer | working and useful are "somewhat" related. | 01:13 |
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wgGuest52 | someone knows about the advertisement module in webgui? | 01:22 |
wgGuest52 | How can i use this module | 01:22 |
perlDreamer | You configure ad spaces. Each ad space can hold several advertisements. You use the AdSpace macro to bring the ad space onto a page. | 01:23 |
wgGuest52 | I have created a new space | 01:24 |
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wgGuest52 | new adspace | 01:24 |
wgGuest52 | And the system show me the next macro ^AdSpace(bannerlateral); | 01:25 |
perlDreamer | yup, that's what you'd paste into an asset or layout to use it | 01:26 |
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wgGuest52 | but, where i put the img or swf with this macro? | 01:27 |
perlDreamer | in the ad | 01:28 |
perlDreamer | adspace is a place holder, container for the ad | 01:28 |
perlDreamer | kind of like a page holds articles | 01:28 |
wgGuest52 | HAVE YOU ANY EXAMPLE TO SHOW ME IT´S FUNCTIONALITY? | 01:32 |
perlDreamer | no | 01:32 |
perlDreamer | I would just suggest trying it out. | 01:32 |
perlDreamer | oh, and I think your CAPS LOCK may be stuck on | 01:35 |
wgGuest52 | ok | 01:36 |
wgGuest52 | PerlDreamer, it´s ok | 01:52 |
wgGuest52 | Tks | 01:52 |
perlDreamer | excellent | 01:52 |
wgGuest52 | I have a question | 01:52 |
perlDreamer | okay, please ask away. | 01:53 |
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juan | can i configure the ads based in the ip address? | 02:03 |
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juan | for example the first time that i see the ad, it can count the impression and if the users continues in the same page don't count the impression if he refresh the page | 02:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6611 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Shop template variables | 02:05 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6612 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/PayDriver.pm i18n/English/PayDriver.pm): Email Receipt template is done for the PayDriver. | 02:05 |
perlDreamer | I don't think you can configure the ads based on IP address, juan | 02:07 |
wgGuest52 | Exactly Juan} | 02:07 |
wgGuest52 | tks | 02:07 |
juan | ok | 02:07 |
juan | thanks | 02:07 |
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perlDreamer | yes, that's correct. The only thing that influences whether a user sees an ad or not is the number of impressions bought (if any), and the priority of ads. | 02:11 |
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perlDreamer | wgGuest52: you still interested in the 1-time user content? | 02:21 |
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@apeiron | I would take that as a no. | 02:24 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix the pod for www_viewMy. | 04:26 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: i18n and help for Shop. | 04:26 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6614 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (PayDriver.pm Shop.pm): remove some duplicates | 04:26 |
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SDuensin | Morning all. | 16:04 |
ckotil | good morning | 16:06 |
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Radix__ | evenin' | 16:07 |
* SDuensin has been too busy to chat here lately. | 16:08 |
dionak | morning.. | 16:11 |
SDuensin | I'm also starting to live in fear of my WebGUI install again. I *really* need to get on the "new" WRE. | 16:12 |
Radix__ | know how you feel :) | 16:13 |
Radix__ | I think our work WRE is 0.7 and using 7.08 of webgui still | 16:14 |
SDuensin | I've also got one site I built, the client didn't seem to care, so I archived it. Now they want it. Tried to upgrade it and it failed. Get to deal with that later. | 16:15 |
ckotil | has sql form wobject been replace by thingy? | 16:16 |
SDuensin | Thingy? | 16:17 |
ckotil | yeah i thought thingy was the new data form w/ sql support | 16:18 |
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ckotil | ah, i see what it is now. | 16:28 |
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topsub | is there a way to have a log of deletion of file assets? I am having a problem of the files of the file asset being deleted or something is happening were its loosing the file, and i want to be able to log what is happening. | 17:41 |
@Haarg | is the asset itself going away? or just the file in uploads? | 17:45 |
lrobinson | does anybody know why all the line breaks would disappear when i save a Codearea form item to the database? | 17:51 |
dionak | i think we've discovered a bug with bulk edits of file assets (related to topsub's message). however, we would also like to have a log of deletions that occur on a system (mostly importantly assets) in case a user is deleting assets. this way we could discover the issue more quickly when an asset suddenly goes missing. | 17:53 |
topsub | haarg, its just the file that is going away not the asset | 17:54 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6624 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): prepare for 7.4.40 dev | 17:54 |
@Haarg | there isn't a log kept of storage location deletes | 17:55 |
dionak | what about asset deletes? | 17:56 |
@Haarg | there's the assetHistory table | 17:56 |
dionak | so there's no interface that i'm overlooking? | 17:56 |
@Haarg | but it's hard to use that often because it only stores the id | 17:56 |
dionak | (which is fine really) | 17:56 |
@Haarg | there's no interface for that no | 17:56 |
@Haarg | aside from the trash obviously | 17:56 |
dionak | oh, good point. and how would one know the ID. perhaps look at lineage | 17:56 |
@Haarg | once it's purged though, there isn't really any information left about it | 17:57 |
@Haarg | so you would probably need to look at backups | 17:57 |
dionak | yea...we had an asset disappear recently and it wasn't in trash. never figured out what happened to it. | 17:57 |
@Haarg | when you say bulk edits what are you refering to? | 17:57 |
dionak | ok, that's certainly an idea. | 17:58 |
dionak | edit branch on a directory that contains file assets | 17:58 |
dionak | it appears when anything changes on a file asset (say title for instance) the storage location changes | 17:58 |
@Haarg | yes | 17:58 |
@Haarg | whenever a new revision is created, it makes a new storage location and copies the file | 17:59 |
@Haarg | there is an rfe on the list relating to that | 17:59 |
dionak | in our example, there are a lot of file assets in this location. randomly, the new storage location is stored in the db but the physical file is not copied to the new location. | 17:59 |
@Haarg | hmm | 17:59 |
dionak | we think it may be a race condition | 17:59 |
@Haarg | what version are you using? | 17:59 |
dionak | 7.5.10 | 17:59 |
dionak | i think, let me double check | 18:00 |
dionak | we run multiple versions | 18:00 |
dionak | this one is 7.4.37 | 18:00 |
@Haarg | i could name several places you can lose storage locations or have files appear to vanish, but it doesn't sound like you are hitting any of those | 18:01 |
dionak | if the physical file hasn't changed, it doesn't make sense that the storage location would change. in addition, copying the file would make the storage grow unnecessarily large. this seems like a bug to me | 18:07 |
@Haarg | there are a few reasons it works as it does | 18:08 |
dionak | could you elaborate? i'm interested... | 18:09 |
@Haarg | primarily, if revisions share storage locations it makes it trickier to track which storage locations to delete when purging revisions | 18:09 |
@Haarg | that can be dealt with, but would make it possible through the api to link a storage location in such a way that could give you data loss | 18:10 |
@Haarg | although that is possible now as well | 18:10 |
@Haarg | it could be argued that it discourages using the uploads location directly, since that shouldn't be relied upon anyway | 18:12 |
dionak | so this could be remedied? though it sounds like it would take some work. it's rather problematic when managing publications for a client. | 18:13 |
@Haarg | i want to think there were other concerns - nothing is coming to mind though. | 18:13 |
dionak | for instance, we just went in to change permissions on a branch of publications and now we have to go in and fix the random 404s. | 18:13 |
@Haarg | you shouldn't need to refer to the uploads location explicitly though | 18:14 |
@Haarg | it seems like you must be running into something odd though | 18:15 |
@Haarg | since the old and new uploads should both still be there | 18:15 |
dionak | i agree. we will submit a support ticket... | 18:16 |
dionak | regarding the asset deletion (another topic), i think if that action were pluggable, we could create a log of who deleted what and when. | 18:19 |
dionak | rfe, i'm thinking | 18:19 |
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dionak | it would help wg agencies so we could track which user is causing havoc. doesn't happen often, but when it does, we need to restrict access or provide this feedback to the client. | 18:20 |
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@Haarg | it might be reasonable to add the url or file type or at least some extra information to the asset history | 18:38 |
@Haarg | because as is a purge action tells you almost nothing without digging through backups | 18:39 |
SDuensin | Namespaces anger me. | 18:43 |
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slickware | Hey Tavis... you around? | 18:47 |
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slickware | anyone from Sales on here at the moment? | 18:55 |
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bopbop | slickware: tavisto isn't answering, someone else from PB's staff might be able to help you | 18:59 |
bopbop | what's your question? | 18:59 |
slickware | I've got a bunch, I was hoping to call but I didn't want to randomly guess at who'd be around in the phone tree :) | 19:00 |
bopbop | you can call tavisto or Jamie Vrbsky | 19:01 |
slickware | I have some questions about the agency hosting vs. other options, and also a custom programming quote request with addt' questions | 19:01 |
bopbop | call jamie | 19:01 |
bopbop | or email him | 19:01 |
slickware | sounds good | 19:01 |
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@tavisto | slickware, what's up | 19:28 |
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perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have time to talk about the dbfixcharset bug? | 19:41 |
@Haarg | not at the moment | 19:41 |
perlDreamer | okay | 19:41 |
@Haarg | this afternoon? | 19:41 |
@Haarg | i know there are still some things to resolve with that | 19:41 |
perlDreamer | sure, I should be on all day until 4:30 pm PDT | 19:42 |
* perlDreamer considers writing a test that does `perl testEnvironment.pl` to fix the nightly smoke tests | 19:45 |
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slickware | hey sorry went out for lunch | 20:18 |
slickware | was going to give you a call Tavis, had some questions on a custom programming quote and how it would possibly relate to agency hosting | 20:18 |
perlDreamer | slickware, I think with agency hosting you get your own server, so custom code should not be a problem. | 20:31 |
perlDreamer | but tavisto would know for sure | 20:31 |
@tavisto | sup | 20:31 |
@tavisto | negative | 20:31 |
perlDreamer | slickware wants to know if he can run custom software with agency hosting | 20:31 |
@tavisto | Agency hosting runs on our production shared servers | 20:31 |
perlDreamer | so he'd have to upgrade to a custom server, or have the feature added to the core? | 20:32 |
@tavisto | because it's on the shared servers, they can only run standard WebGUI code | 20:32 |
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perlDreamer | tavisto: You need to send me all your marketing materials so that I can represent PB better | 20:32 |
@tavisto | if you got a mini VPS then you can run custom code. | 20:33 |
slickware | different question | 20:33 |
slickware | i meant - if i used PB for a custom programming quote | 20:33 |
@tavisto | perlDreamer all of our marketing materials are currently on the site but I can point you to them | 20:33 |
slickware | meaning i paid PB to design code for Webgui | 20:33 |
perlDreamer | slickware, it wouldn't matter. Non-core code couldn't be run on shared servers | 20:34 |
slickware | could it then be applied to sites I run through the Agency host? | 20:34 |
@tavisto | depends, if it's funded work and added to core then your sites would eventually get it | 20:34 |
slickware | right | 20:34 |
@tavisto | all sites get the same updates so if it was funded and PB added it to the core (which must be approved obviously) | 20:35 |
slickware | I was hoping to get something created that would be general enough to be a beneficial addition to the base system | 20:35 |
@tavisto | exactly, and if that's the case and it goes in then it would eventually be applied in a future upgrade | 20:35 |
slickware | a lot of my clients want a membership database that is NOT part of the general webgui user system | 20:35 |
@tavisto | membership directory functionality? | 20:35 |
slickware | yes | 20:36 |
@tavisto | well, | 20:36 |
@tavisto | this can be done now through the use of SQL reports | 20:36 |
slickware | right... but I am awful | 20:36 |
slickware | at sql reports | 20:36 |
@tavisto | you can have PB create an SQL report in a few hours | 20:36 |
@tavisto | it's possible that it make break in future releases but fixing them is typically fairly easy | 20:36 |
@tavisto | and wouldnt require heaps o' cash | 20:36 |
slickware | it's what, like $200/hr? | 20:36 |
@tavisto | The other option is the thingy | 20:36 |
@tavisto | $120/hr is dev rate | 20:37 |
slickware | oh, even better | 20:37 |
@tavisto | and there's a bit of project management built into our quotes as well | 20:37 |
@tavisto | but yes it's pretty reasonable | 20:37 |
@tavisto | the other thing | 20:37 |
@tavisto | since its multiple clients that need this... you could have it developed and implemented on one site | 20:37 |
@tavisto | and then copy the templates and the SQL reports over to the other sites | 20:38 |
perlDreamer | tavisto: A package would be even easier than that | 20:38 |
@tavisto | so you'd make some profit there as well | 20:38 |
@tavisto | good point perlDreamer | 20:38 |
slickware | right- i would PREFER paying once for the design, and being able to use it on multiple sites | 20:39 |
topsub | are we surpose to be able to do reporting from "thingy" | 20:40 |
slickware | I'm not caught up on what a package does exactly. The books I have do a poor job of explaining it | 20:40 |
perlDreamer | a package is a way to transfer assets (and sometimes asset collateral) between WebGUI sites safely. | 20:41 |
perlDreamer | so when you ask for a quote, make sure the deliverable is a package, and not just a configured asset on one site as an example. | 20:43 |
slickware | gotcha | 20:45 |
slickware | what's a "thingy" | 20:45 |
perlDreamer | thingy is the next generation web based application builder | 20:46 |
perlDreamer | it's a point and click way of building database backed applications | 20:47 |
perlDreamer | JT's blog talks about it: http://www.webgui.org/tbb/next-thingy#PdiTZ7LMji_vBAqvnqIHFw | 20:49 |
@tavisto | Thingy is another way you could create your membership directory | 20:50 |
@tavisto | I was going to mention it but was interrupted by a call | 20:50 |
slickware | that sounds excellent | 20:50 |
@tavisto | anyway, the thingy is currently only in 7.5 so you'll need to wait until it goes on to the stable servers | 20:50 |
@tavisto | until it goes stable.. and then goes on the stable servers.. hehe | 20:51 |
slickware | what's the approx estimate on that? | 20:51 |
slickware | (phone brb) | 20:51 |
@tavisto | sometime before WUC but I'm not sure as of yet | 20:51 |
ckotil | thingy is really confusing | 20:52 |
@tavisto | I have to run off to the webgui webinar.. bbl | 20:52 |
ckotil | i looked at it for 10 minutes this morning on beta.webgui.org | 20:52 |
ckotil | i needed to create a web form w/ db backend. ended up making a macro | 20:52 |
ckotil | sql form wanted insert , delete, create, among other privileges, i didnt feel comfortable giving | 20:53 |
topsub | learning curve with thingy | 20:54 |
topsub | i need to do reporting with it but doesn't seem able to | 20:54 |
topsub | and trying to link up the db seems very hard to use a SQL Report | 20:55 |
ckotil | i used sql report to give a webview of pending version tags. it works well | 20:56 |
perlDreamer | topsub: I don't think the Thingy designers hang out in IRC. Try a forum posting to catch them. | 20:57 |
topsub | ah. thanks perlDreamer | 20:58 |
topsub | Do you know if that ability is there and i am just overlooking it? | 20:58 |
slickware | good to know though topsub. thank you for the input | 20:59 |
slickware | i think i agree, right now, i would probably rather pay PB than wait for a beta | 21:00 |
topsub | ckotil, what idd you find hard with thingy? | 21:02 |
topsub | <-- not looking forward to flying sunday! | 21:04 |
perlDreamer | topsub: I haven't played with Thingy yet | 21:06 |
perlDreamer | Although I would be surprised if there wasn't a display/view/report screen of some kind in there. | 21:06 |
topsub | i found a edit / search / view | 21:06 |
perlDreamer | and the view doesn't do what you want? or search? | 21:06 |
topsub | no I need to get a list | 21:08 |
topsub | search gets me my list | 21:08 |
topsub | i need the search for something else | 21:08 |
topsub | so if i change the template i loose 1 feature i need | 21:08 |
topsub | i need to search by keyword and use this template | 21:08 |
topsub | but to get a list like i need somewhere else i need another template | 21:09 |
topsub | if that makes sence | 21:09 |
perlDreamer | oh yeah | 21:09 |
topsub | so it works | 21:09 |
topsub | but i need to be able repeat it as many times as i want | 21:09 |
perlDreamer | well, RFEs and patches are always welcome | 21:10 |
topsub | i make a note.. I don't watn to do RFE yet cuz maybe they are planning on it just i don't have that version yet | 21:10 |
perlDreamer | you can always check svn: https://svn.webgui.org | 21:10 |
perlDreamer | if it isn't in there now, it's probably not coming | 21:11 |
topsub | ah | 21:11 |
topsub | Maybe they had something else in mind on doing reporting | 21:11 |
topsub | or maybe it wasn't thought of before | 21:12 |
perlDreamer | or it may not have ever been in the spec | 21:12 |
topsub | true | 21:12 |
perlDreamer | well, either that or search/report were rolled together | 21:12 |
perlDreamer | hard to tell | 21:12 |
topsub | i posted on the forum so hopefully one of the dev will speak up and i can see | 21:12 |
topsub | it kinda looks like it. but then search can only be for one "feature" i guess to say. So you have to use it one way | 21:12 |
@apeiron | Am I missing something, or is there no way to change an uploaded wG::Asset::File's filename attribute? | 21:27 |
@apeiron | (through the Web UI) | 21:27 |
@apeiron | And if there isn't, what do people think of an RFE for it? | 21:29 |
@preaction | apeiron, very bad. the filename attribute is used to figure out which file in the storage location is the actual file | 21:34 |
@apeiron | preaction, Yes, and changing the filename would require a new storage location. | 21:34 |
@apeiron | preaction, e.g. say I upload a file with a typo in its name. I realize after the fact that it had a typo but I don't want to reupload it. | 21:35 |
@preaction | so you want to rename the file itself, not just change the "filename" attribute? that would probably be okay | 21:35 |
@apeiron | Not quite. | 21:36 |
@apeiron | Say I upload a PDF. This PDF's filename on my local filesystem is 28290085.pdf (real world example). | 21:36 |
@apeiron | When users of, say, Firefox, go to download this PDF, they'll be prompted to save a file named 28290085.pdf to their drive. | 21:37 |
@apeiron | I would like to be able to, after uploading the file, change it to be something descriptive, like "software_testing_research.pdf". | 21:37 |
@preaction | right, so rename the file itself, after you've uploaded it | 21:37 |
@apeiron | That way, they'll get a descriptive file name by default without having to put forth the effort. | 21:37 |
@apeiron | How do I do that from the Web UI? I'm not seeing a way to do so. | 21:38 |
@preaction | you don't | 21:38 |
@apeiron | aha. | 21:38 |
@apeiron | That's what I would want to do. | 21:38 |
@apeiron | Does that still fall under "very bad idea"? | 21:39 |
@preaction | no | 21:39 |
@apeiron | Okay, good. | 21:40 |
bopbop | wait | 21:43 |
bopbop | apeiron, can't you just give the uploaded file a new title in the properties tab? | 21:43 |
@apeiron | bopbop, Yes, but that won't affect the filename that the browser wants to write to disk, yes? | 21:43 |
bopbop | it should | 21:43 |
@apeiron | It's not, at least not for a PDF I uploaded. | 21:44 |
bopbop | yep you're right | 21:45 |
bopbop | that should definitely be changed | 21:45 |
@apeiron | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/allow-users-to-change-a-wgassetfiles-filename-after-uploading#fSq22CH7Xh5gSuwTJJ0gQQ for anyone interested. | 21:47 |
perlDreamer | if bopbop wrote it, we should do it | 21:47 |
bopbop | everybody streak down your street | 21:48 |
bopbop | I wrote it... | 21:48 |
perlDreamer | already done it, got cited, bought the t-shirt | 21:48 |
perlDreamer | although, contextually I was speaking about RFEs | 21:49 |
perlDreamer | we should implement all of your RFEs, but ignore your bug reports | 21:49 |
@apeiron | Uh huh, suuure. | 21:49 |
bopbop | hey, I like my bugs | 21:50 |
bopbop | what does this mean for karma rank: 5.00000005e-06 | 21:50 |
@apeiron | It means we should be using bigint, first, and second that it's a very small positive value. | 21:50 |
bopbop | what's the e for? | 21:50 |
@apeiron | hum, actually, not sure if bigint will format that properly. | 21:50 |
@apeiron | Scientific notation. | 21:50 |
bopbop | blah | 21:51 |
ckotil | difficulty is 9999999999 | 21:53 |
ckotil | ah its new, so i bet JT has to lower the difficulty | 21:54 |
ckotil | along the same lines.. http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/add-a-summary-meta-data-input-field-to-file-pile-asset#33ouzTyNpLq6KQbSAJIlLA | 21:54 |
ckotil | ohh this one has gotten some karma lately | 21:54 |
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wgGuest61 | Greetings | 21:55 |
perlDreamer | bopbop: e = 10 to the power of .... | 21:57 |
@apeiron | In this context, anyway. | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | so 1e-3 is 1 * 10^-3 power, or 0.001 | 21:57 |
@apeiron | Otherwise it's 2.7[...] | 21:57 |
bopbop | ok | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | howdy, wgGuest61 | 21:57 |
perlDreamer | You don't need permission to ask question, just throw them out | 21:57 |
wgGuest61 | Oh just checking things out I just downloaded webgui... looks like a great package | 21:58 |
slickware | it sure is | 21:58 |
wgGuest61 | I'm an IT manager for a city and thought I'd check it out for our use. | 21:59 |
dionak | what features are you looking for wgGuest61? | 22:00 |
slickware | what sort of application ? | 22:00 |
perlDreamer | do you guys remember who it was that just did that? Set up WebGUI for a city? | 22:00 |
perlDreamer | It was someplace with BBQ... | 22:00 |
dionak | mmmm...bbq. | 22:00 |
wgGuest61 | everyone likes to update our main web site .. now they just each ftp over each other.. | 22:00 |
slickware | mmm that sounds like a great idea | 22:01 |
@tavisto | Charley Hankins | 22:01 |
@tavisto | goeldorado | 22:01 |
perlDreamer | tavisto, you're the man! | 22:01 |
@tavisto | www.goeldorado.com | 22:01 |
dionak | content management and permissions sounds like your primary need wgGuest61 | 22:01 |
@tavisto | we also have 2 cities in Mas | 22:01 |
@tavisto | Mass | 22:01 |
wgGuest61 | I would like to get a more organized shared environ.. thought this might do it. | 22:02 |
@tavisto | wGGuest61, I would be happy to register you for our weekly webinars. You can find out more information at http://www.plainblack.com/webinar | 22:03 |
wgGuest61 | I'll take a look... | 22:03 |
dionak | what a great idea tavisto | 22:04 |
@tavisto | yeah I just finished one 2 minutes ago | 22:04 |
slickware | hooray for massachusetts - do you know which cities? | 22:05 |
wgGuest61 | I'm curious how you take an existing website and use it with WebGUI | 22:05 |
perlDreamer | do you import with, or live alongside of? | 22:05 |
wgGuest61 | ?? | 22:06 |
dionak | you can take an existing site and integrate WG into it | 22:06 |
dionak | we've done this for clients by taking an existing site, creating a style template and page layouts and then populate the content | 22:06 |
wgGuest61 | we do all our own hosting/dns etc. Centos 5.1 | 22:06 |
dionak | once you get the hang of it, it doesn't take long | 22:07 |
dionak | pretty much copy+paste and add variables in the right places | 22:08 |
wgGuest61 | Sounds like fun | 22:08 |
dionak | it's not bad | 22:08 |
wgGuest61 | LOL.. thats not the same as fun :) | 22:08 |
dionak | i thought you were being sarcastic ;) | 22:09 |
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wgGuest61 | If it works it would be a big step in the right direction | 22:09 |
wgGuest61 | No I was serious .. thats the kind of thing I think is fun.. | 22:10 |
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dionak | it works. the first place i started was learning the concepts, like style template and page layouts | 22:10 |
dionak | oh, cool! then yea, you'll enjoy it | 22:10 |
slickware | ya- the Getting Started wiki is a good place to start, obviously | 22:10 |
perlDreamer | yeah, be sure to check out the wiki | 22:10 |
slickware | otherwise, the books are also helpful, and the forums | 22:10 |
wgGuest61 | Hey I switched the entire city over to VoIP (Asterisk) I thought that was fun till I ended up being the phone guy. | 22:11 |
perlDreamer | that's the nice thing about using WebGUI | 22:11 |
perlDreamer | you can share the responsibility | 22:11 |
slickware | absolutely... i went from being totally irresponsible, to paying PlainBlack to do it for me! :-D | 22:12 |
dionak | lol | 22:12 |
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cap10morgan | Anyone running the rhel5 wre on centos 5? | 22:13 |
cap10morgan | I keep seeing this when trying to start the WRE: Had to create DBD::mysql::dr::imp_data_size unexpectedly at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBI.pm line 1195 | 22:13 |
cap10morgan | and then this when it actually tries to connect to the mysql server: Undefined subroutine &DBD::mysql::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/mysql.pm line 142 | 22:14 |
cap10morgan | seems like there's some version disagreement in the DBI somewhere, but I can't figure out why that would happen inside the WRE | 22:16 |
@Haarg | i've run it with no problems | 22:17 |
@apeiron | cap10morgan, Perhaps you're running into problems with your vendor's MySQL? | 22:17 |
perlDreamer | apeiron, that message came from the WRE's mysql | 22:19 |
perlDreamer | if it was vendor MySQL, the WRE wouldn't even start? | 22:20 |
wgGuest61 | nick | 22:22 |
wgGuest61 | hmmm | 22:22 |
@tavisto | wgGuest61, do you have any immediate questions about WebGUI that I can help you with? | 22:23 |
wgGuest61 | I | 22:23 |
wgGuest61 | Yikes | 22:23 |
wgGuest61 | Trying to do too many things | 22:23 |
wgGuest61 | I'm still downloading but I'm sure I'll be back... | 22:23 |
wgGuest61 | Need to setup a VM and install | 22:24 |
@tavisto | hehe alright np | 22:24 |
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slickware | so Tavis... my other question was going to be, | 22:25 |
@tavisto | If you're looking for a quick guided introduction to WebGUI, sign up for one of our webinars and I'll be able to show you the ropes. Typically runs about 30mins to an hour depending on how many questions attendees have. | 22:25 |
Tgarius | Forgot to change name... | 22:25 |
slickware | if I start hosting 15, 20, 40 sites (using Agency hosting), is there a "better" option (dedicated server?) at that point? | 22:26 |
@tavisto | well yes there is a break point | 22:26 |
@tavisto | I don't know what it is off the top of my head but we have a couple people that do this | 22:27 |
@tavisto | I had 25 hosting customers on agency hosting awhile back. And it was fine and I was making good money on hosting residuals | 22:27 |
dionak | tavis, are you going to yapc? | 22:28 |
perlDreamer | agency hosting is $15/month | 22:28 |
slickware | so i'm assuming it's >25 sites, for now | 22:29 |
slickware | and i can figure out the price break at a later date | 22:29 |
slickware | I didn't see a hosting option that was (1 server, many sites) in the PB store | 22:29 |
perlDreamer | super server is $600/month | 22:29 |
perlDreamer | so 40 sites for a super server | 22:29 |
slickware | the super server seems to imply that you only get one domain though | 22:29 |
perlDreamer | well, aside from registering domains, what would stop you from logging in as root and running addSite yourself? | 22:30 |
@tavisto | with our dedicated and vps servers, you can do whatever you want since you have root | 22:31 |
@tavisto | however, if you need help from PB then I'm sure we can work something out in terms of managing/adding sites. | 22:31 |
slickware | i don't have a problem installing sites/domains | 22:32 |
perlDreamer | bopbop: I'm looking at your calendar list/add event bug. and I think it may have been fixed accidentally. | 22:32 |
slickware | i just would want a solution that puts me NOT in charge of running/maintenance | 22:32 |
perlDreamer | I'll double check on beta | 22:32 |
slickware | and upgrading | 22:32 |
bopbop | well that would be convenient... how? | 22:33 |
@tavisto | plain black handles upgrades and such | 22:33 |
@tavisto | and monitoring | 22:33 |
slickware | ah | 22:33 |
@tavisto | keep in mind all sites would be running same version of WebGUI though | 22:33 |
slickware | that's fine | 22:33 |
slickware | wouldn't they with the Agency, too? | 22:33 |
@tavisto | yep | 22:33 |
slickware | so that's not a bad thing | 22:33 |
@tavisto | so if you have clients with custom needs they are better placed on mini vps | 22:33 |
@tavisto | nope, it's a great thing for a reseller.. it's called STABLE and PEACEFUL | 22:34 |
slickware | what would qualify as a custom need | 22:34 |
@tavisto | try being a reseller during 6.x development.... | 22:34 |
perlDreamer | oy | 22:34 |
slickware | remember... i tried being both a seller AND a developer during 5x! | 22:34 |
@tavisto | I thought about running off to Brazil and leaving the world behind | 22:34 |
perlDreamer | 5x was a cake walk compared to 6x | 22:34 |
@tavisto | 5.x was fine | 22:34 |
slickware | o | 22:34 |
@tavisto | 6.x I thought people were going to kill me | 22:34 |
slickware | no wonder i stopped upgrading after 5x | 22:34 |
@tavisto | yeah, be glad you did. | 22:35 |
slickware | 7 is growing on me | 22:35 |
@tavisto | I hope so! | 22:35 |
slickware | i'm still grumbling, but it's getting better | 22:35 |
@tavisto | cuz if you don't like it there's nothing we can do.... 7.x is flippin sweet | 22:35 |
nuba | why Brazil? | 22:35 |
slickware | haha | 22:35 |
@tavisto | because no one could bring me back :) | 22:35 |
@tavisto | and the women are hot. | 22:35 |
slickware | i like watching Joomla users go "WOW... drag and drop!" | 22:35 |
@tavisto | nuba, do you have a better idea for a location? :) | 22:36 |
slickware | brazil sounds amazing | 22:36 |
nuba | i could bring you back to JT, if thats what youre talking about | 22:36 |
nuba | all's negotiable.. | 22:36 |
slickware | and i've heard brazil girls are hot, also | 22:36 |
@tavisto | oh no.. I meant run from my customers at the time of 6.x | 22:36 |
nuba | ah ok | 22:36 |
@tavisto | those were rough, but necessary days. | 22:36 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6626 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AdminConsole.pm: change asset manager link in admin console to new operation | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6627 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Collaboration RSS link in header doesn't indicate title | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6628 /WebGUI/ (sbin/userImport.pl docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: userImport.pl overwrites settings when updating users | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6629 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): fixed: Creating a shortcut creates a version tag even with autocommit turned on | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6630 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: email password recovery submit button effected by UI level | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6631 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Syndicated content fills results with empty entries up to max headlines count | 22:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6632 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): DataForm rewritten | 22:37 |
@tavisto | nuba, are you going to be at the WUC this year? | 22:39 |
nuba | nope | 22:39 |
@tavisto | That's too bad. I haven't seen you since the 1st or 2nd WUC | 22:40 |
@tavisto | first one right? | 22:40 |
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nuba | its been a while since I was last WUC-ed | 22:40 |
@tavisto | heh | 22:40 |
nuba | yeah, that was 2004 | 22:41 |
nuba | iirc | 22:41 |
nuba | too much on my plate, cant fit a conference in the US there | 22:41 |
perlDreamer | how's the mosquite situation down there, nuba? It's dropped off the US news radar so we haven't heard anything. | 22:43 |
nuba | i tried to contribute to webgui with a map asset, but my schedule didnt seem to agree with me on that | 22:44 |
nuba | had I suceeded, i'd certainly make the extra effort to attend to the wuc and deliver it hands on | 22:44 |
nuba | who knows, maybe next WUC... | 22:45 |
perlDreamer | Maybe instead of Vegas for the next WUC, we should do Brazil | 22:45 |
slickware | really? the next one is planned for vegas? | 22:46 |
@apeiron | I thought it was staying in Madison. | 22:46 |
dionak | i hope so... | 22:46 |
perlDreamer | for a while it was going to alternate between Vegas and other locations | 22:46 |
perlDreamer | but then it did Madison twice | 22:46 |
perlDreamer | I prefer Madison to Vegas myself | 22:47 |
slickware | I recommend Boston | 22:47 |
slickware | :-D | 22:47 |
perlDreamer | PDX? ;) | 22:47 |
* apeiron prefers anything but Filthydelphia. </3 | 22:48 |
perlDreamer | is apeiron planning on moving? | 22:48 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Eventually. | 22:49 |
nuba | WUC'n'Rio! | 22:51 |
nuba | i should take some pics of gooey here | 22:54 |
slickware | haha filthydelphia, awesome | 22:54 |
nuba | Gooey in Copacabana, Gooey w/ Pretty Native Girls | 22:54 |
nuba | Gooey of Ipanema | 22:54 |
perlDreamer | gooey with highly deadly black tarantula | 22:54 |
perlDreamer | who will win the 8-armed battle? | 22:55 |
nuba | Gooey w/ girls will probably look like softcore porn, tho | 22:55 |
slickware | so? | 22:55 |
nuba | wonder if that'll be accepted in the contributions gallery ate pb.com | 22:55 |
nuba | at* | 22:55 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, you wanted to discuss something with the db character set repair script? | 22:56 |
nuba | is there any rule on how Gooey must be depicted in the pics? | 22:57 |
nuba | like, no violence, no profane language signs, no whatever... | 22:57 |
@tavisto | I'm not sure about future WUC but I'm pretty sure that we're doing Madison for 09 too | 22:59 |
@tavisto | it's a great venue for it though and centrally located | 22:59 |
@tavisto | who knows... maybe we'll mix it up and go for the north pole | 22:59 |
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@tavisto | Santa is using WebGUI now.. PR report coming out next month on it. ;) | 23:00 |
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perlDreamer | yes Haarg. | 23:00 |
perlDreamer | From the bug, you know I've tracked down what happened to the column defaults | 23:01 |
perlDreamer | but PB's site has the defaults in place | 23:01 |
perlDreamer | I was wondering if you might know why that is | 23:01 |
perlDreamer | also, if you had a suggestion for how to handle sites that are already broken due to this | 23:01 |
@Haarg | i was planning on adding something to the upgrade script to explicitly set the defaults everywhere | 23:02 |
@Haarg | it doesn't hurt anything, and will fix the issue for people going through the upgrade | 23:03 |
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@Haarg | the reason it isn't an issue on pb.com is the script was never run there | 23:04 |
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@Haarg | when i added that conversion to the upgrade script, we were already several versions past there | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | I see, that's why it didn't show up. | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | Would you prefer to work on it, or do you mind if I try it? | 23:05 |
perlDreamer | There are lots of other bugs for me to work on :) | 23:05 |
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@Haarg | i was just going to take all the defaults from create.sql and make the sql statements to add them. if you have a better thought you can work on it, but otherwise i'll take care of it. | 23:07 |
perlDreamer | no, that's what I was thinking | 23:09 |
perlDreamer | lots of perl and grep to make it easier | 23:09 |
perlDreamer | I'll grab another bug | 23:09 |
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slickware | 'night everyone. i'm out for the day | 23:10 |
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dionak | nite | 23:32 |
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cap10morgan | Haarg: you've run the rhel5 wre on centos5? | 00:28 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:28 |
@Haarg | we compile it on centos5 actually | 00:28 |
cap10morgan | i see :) | 00:28 |
cap10morgan | hmm... very weird | 00:28 |
perlDreamer | Haarg: Does the rewrite of the DataForm affect Content/Setup.pm? (which copy/pasted DataForm code into it) | 00:28 |
cap10morgan | i have it running fine on rhel5 servers | 00:28 |
cap10morgan | but this is the first time i've tried it on centos | 00:29 |
cap10morgan | seems like it should be the same | 00:29 |
cap10morgan | since they /are/ the same :) | 00:29 |
@Haarg | hmm | 00:29 |
@Haarg | that's a good question perlDreamer | 00:29 |
@Haarg | i'll check on that in a minute | 00:29 |
perlDreamer | if so, I'd vote for a small DataForm refactor that would allow some DataForm sub to be called, rather that copy/paste again . | 00:30 |
cap10morgan | DataForm was rewritten? for 7.5? | 00:30 |
@Haarg | yes | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | cap10morgan: I love the RSS interface into SVN | 00:30 |
cap10morgan | how mixin-able is DataForm? | 00:30 |
@Haarg | well, mostly rewritten | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | if more people read the svn logs we'd catch more bugs sooner | 00:30 |
perlDreamer | WebGUI is officially big enough to not fit in any 1 person's head anymore | 00:31 |
@Haarg | there are some things with the new dataform i'm not in love with | 00:31 |
@Haarg | but i'm going to work on it more for 7.6 | 00:31 |
perlDreamer | Haarg: maybe we could rework it to use the JSON collateral for storing dataform setups. That way form setups would be versioned, and packagable and all. | 00:32 |
perlDreamer | but not user data | 00:33 |
@Haarg | that was the point of the rewrite | 00:33 |
cap10morgan | oh joy | 00:33 |
@Haarg | form setups are now stored as json | 00:33 |
cap10morgan | that's awesome | 00:33 |
cap10morgan | thanks to whoever worked on that! :) | 00:33 |
@Haarg | user data is also stored as json | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | that's what I did for the Product, and I probably could have saved you some code if I'd abstracted it out sooner. | 00:34 |
perlDreamer | inside Asset::Sku::Product there's a whole implementation of the wobject collateral as JSON | 00:34 |
@Haarg | i may take a look at that | 00:38 |
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perlDreamer | apeiron: they got dirt! | 01:31 |
@apeiron | perlDreamer, Ah, anything special about it? | 01:32 |
perlDreamer | well, right now it's in the oven. They're pretty happy about just that :) | 01:32 |
@apeiron | heh. | 01:32 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6633 /wrebuild/wre/ (lib/WRE/File.pm sbin/wreconsole.pl): fix handling of backup.exclude | 01:39 |
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perlDreamer | preaction: Do you have a minute? | 02:21 |
@preaction | sure | 02:21 |
perlDreamer | in the Calendar, what is startEpoch? | 02:21 |
@preaction | what view? | 02:22 |
perlDreamer | list view | 02:22 |
@preaction | it's the epoch date of the start of the current page | 02:22 |
perlDreamer | I'm looking at a calendar bug where dates were off in events in the list view | 02:23 |
perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/list-view-reporting-wrong-dates#zu06yO1inPvrqLB50cjm2w | 02:23 |
@preaction | ... damnit... it should be "eventStartDayOfMonth" for the events... | 02:24 |
@preaction | so, if the template gets fixed, that bug can be closed | 02:24 |
@preaction | startDayOfMonth returning 9 means that the page started there | 02:25 |
perlDreamer | I've fixed the problem with the event date, it needed to use eventStartDateEpoch | 02:25 |
perlDreamer | now I'm confused | 02:26 |
perlDreamer | why would it use startDayOfMonth? | 02:26 |
@preaction | he was trying to get the startDayOfMonth for the event | 02:26 |
@preaction | but in the Calendar views, that means you need to prefix "event" to the variable | 02:26 |
perlDreamer | so instead of the date macro, just use the right event vars? that's even easier :) | 02:27 |
@preaction | the list view page starts at an exact time, so it uses all the start* and end* | 02:27 |
@preaction | yes | 02:27 |
perlDreamer | how 'bout this. Please email me a rough spec for the date display, and I'll fix it, update the template package and recommit it. | 02:28 |
perlDreamer | and close the bug | 02:28 |
perlDreamer | should it show a span of dates, just the start date, or whatever | 02:28 |
perlDreamer | although, if it didn't generate all those template vars and used the date macro, it would be faster | 02:28 |
perlDreamer | gotta scoot, I'll probably be back on later, and I'll check the IRC logs for other message. | 02:29 |
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+crythia1 | hi | 04:53 |
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@tavisto | rizen, ugly kid joe? honestly? | 07:14 |
@rizen | indeed | 07:14 |
@rizen | they rock | 07:14 |
@tavisto | hold on.. let me slit my wrists | 07:14 |
@tavisto | ;) | 07:15 |
@rizen | my favorite songs are "Goddamn Devil" and "Neighbor" | 07:15 |
@rizen | not as big of a fan of the stuff they had on the radio | 07:15 |
@tavisto | nah they are okay if I want to rock out with my cock out | 07:15 |
perlDreamer | tavisto: tmi | 07:15 |
@tavisto | hah | 07:15 |
@tavisto | whatever Colin, you've been waiting all day for me to say that | 07:16 |
@rizen | how do you go wrong with: "There will be torture and there will be pain, Cause this is hell, baby, die in flames." | 07:16 |
@tavisto | or "life is B, and then you die" | 07:16 |
perlDreamer | tavisto: You are the marketing man, even if you can't sell it to the Boy Scouts | 07:16 |
@rizen | tmi? | 07:17 |
@tavisto | hey now... I've got one of our guys working on BSA now | 07:17 |
@tavisto | to much information | 07:17 |
@tavisto | too much information... | 07:17 |
perlDreamer | has anyone tried the search in the asset manager yet? | 07:18 |
@rizen | preaction said it's broken | 07:18 |
@rizen | and he has to fix it | 07:18 |
@tavisto | Jay is going to hit up BSA to find out what the crap that lame ass BSA OSS site is. The article says they consulted several CIO's of large companies and created that OSS strategy | 07:18 |
@tavisto | but if you look at the mess of a site that is... I can't figure out what they're trying to do | 07:19 |
@rizen | There's no gimmick that ain't been sold | 07:19 |
@tavisto | Jay is going to jump in there as a CIO and OSS vendor and see if he can get in touch with someone to find out if they're looking for a solution or if they're just playing around with OSS for shits and giggles | 07:19 |
@rizen | probably just playing so they can get free press | 07:19 |
@tavisto | maybe, but they don't really need it | 07:20 |
@rizen | actually they do | 07:20 |
@rizen | good press i mean | 07:20 |
@tavisto | and this makes them look like flippin idiots | 07:20 |
@rizen | they've had lots of bad press lately | 07:20 |
@tavisto | dude BSA has a good aura around them no matter how the media spins em | 07:20 |
@rizen | but one trait of idiots is that they don't know they are idiots | 07:20 |
@tavisto | yeah, that's true | 07:20 |
@rizen | only to ultra conservative christian nutbags like you | 07:21 |
@rizen | normal people don't have a good opinion of bsa | 07:21 |
@rizen | =) | 07:21 |
@tavisto | sure they dont | 07:21 |
perlDreamer | assetManaget still doesn't work, but it doesn't crash your site now :) | 07:21 |
@tavisto | Rizen, I'm gonna punch you straight in the ovaries | 07:22 |
@tavisto | and then bash you in the skull with tiny pillows | 07:22 |
@rizen | tavisto, i've got small pillows protecting me | 07:22 |
@rizen | today i was doing a search online for tiny pillows so i could order some for you | 07:23 |
@rizen | and i ran across the best site | 07:23 |
@tavisto | hehe | 07:23 |
@rizen | http://www.pixiespillows.com/ | 07:23 |
@tavisto | actually I know you do have tiny pillows protecting you.. cuz you always sleep with them | 07:23 |
@tavisto | um... well gee thanks.. I now have a dirty URL and cache in my browser | 07:24 |
@tavisto | that'll be great when I'm giving the next webinar | 07:24 |
@tavisto | heh bastard | 07:24 |
@rizen | hehe | 07:24 |
@rizen | you don't clear your history before you give a webinar? | 07:25 |
@tavisto | hey dude... there's a serious trademark infringement on that site btw.. | 07:25 |
@tavisto | "I really love pillows a lot!" | 07:25 |
@tavisto | dude that's SOOOOO your line | 07:25 |
@tavisto | I'd sue. | 07:25 |
@rizen | i always try to do that so people don't know what bank i use, what stock trader i use, what porn sites i visit, and that i've looked up their fbi record | 07:25 |
@tavisto | um dude I always do that | 07:26 |
@tavisto | I was just kidding lol | 07:26 |
+Radix-wrk | http://cache.imagefap.com/images/full/39/508/508633997.jpg | 07:27 |
@tavisto | haha | 07:27 |
@tavisto | wait a sec I think I've dated a couple of them | 07:27 |
@rizen | hahah | 07:28 |
@rizen | that's a great one | 07:28 |
@tavisto | rizen, did you see our l33t placement at oscon... that's going to be sweet | 07:30 |
@tavisto | we can prey on the people standing in line eating | 07:30 |
@tavisto | er waiting for food | 07:30 |
@rizen | no i didn't, but i'll trust that you got us a good spot | 07:30 |
@tavisto | I forwarded you a map and where we were | 07:30 |
@rizen | cuz if you didn't, then you're fired | 07:30 |
@rizen | and i'll hire colin in your place | 07:31 |
@rizen | since he lives in portland, i'm sure he could get us a great spot | 07:31 |
@tavisto | hmm.... *tavis wonders if down the hall and behind the elevator was a good spot* | 07:31 |
@tavisto | dude we are right next to the janitorial closet so I think it was a good choice | 07:31 |
perlDreamer | just stay away from the joomla dudes | 07:32 |
@rizen | why is that pd? | 07:36 |
perlDreamer | they get tons of press all over the place | 07:37 |
perlDreamer | They were on slashdot today | 07:37 |
@rizen | i saw a post on slashdot today that said Joomla is a CMS (Crap Management System) | 07:37 |
perlDreamer | Oreillynet last week about XML syndication and content analysis | 07:37 |
@tavisto | I think I'm going to bring a bat and just start bashing Joomla people at the conference | 07:37 |
@rizen | i still can't figure out why they get so much press | 07:38 |
@rizen | i've used joomla, and i don't see anything special about it | 07:38 |
@tavisto | because it's easy to install and review | 07:38 |
+Radix-wrk | I think that's the nail on the head there.. 'easy to install' | 07:38 |
@rizen | it doesn't seem any easier than webgui to use | 07:38 |
@rizen | sure it's easier to install | 07:38 |
@rizen | at least on shared hosting environments | 07:39 |
@rizen | on a dedicated server it's no easier to install than WebGUI + WRE | 07:39 |
@rizen | but there are dozens of WebGUI hosters out there | 07:39 |
@tavisto | this was a quote from the corporate telecomm company I've been working a contract with | 07:39 |
@tavisto | For example, prior to looking at you we looked at Joomla (which was VERY easy to set up) but there system does not have the flexibility that yours does relative to security permissions and they also don't do versioning. | 07:40 |
@tavisto | then Todd came back with the "we find webgui very hard to install on our windows server" | 07:40 |
@rizen | we need to get rid of the windows version | 07:40 |
@tavisto | On your social epidemic email, I've been working on a response and it has some ideas involving installation | 07:40 |
@tavisto | we do? | 07:40 |
@rizen | yes | 07:40 |
@tavisto | gah | 07:41 |
@rizen | we either need to make webgui work as well on windows as it does on mac/linux/unix | 07:41 |
@rizen | or we need to get rid of it | 07:41 |
@rizen | and since i'm not willing to put that much time into it | 07:41 |
@rizen | it needs to go away | 07:41 |
@tavisto | I've been working to sell it to them for the last 2 weeks and we're getting close along with support contract.. son of ah | 07:41 |
@rizen | in favor of a VMWare version | 07:41 |
@rizen | sell it to them on windows? | 07:41 |
@tavisto | yeah they have windows server 2003 environment | 07:42 |
@rizen | how many people are going to access it? | 07:42 |
@tavisto | they have 25 employees | 07:42 |
@tavisto | and then I'm not sure yet about customers but it's nothing major | 07:42 |
@rizen | it will work for something that small | 07:42 |
@rizen | but it doesn't scale at all on windows | 07:42 |
@tavisto | they want website/intranet/extranet and want to put a bunch of docs up along with sales stuff for public | 07:43 |
@rizen | if you want to really push it on windows, then we need to hire someone to help Haarg so that he can spend some serious time on windows support | 07:44 |
@rizen | life is too short for me to work on it | 07:44 |
@rizen | i *HATE* windows | 07:44 |
@tavisto | I was surprised when I was talking to Graham earlier and he told me that the latest WRE wasn't even tested on windows 2003 server. | 07:44 |
@tavisto | I was like... Uh... that's what 85% of the businesses are going to be running right now | 07:45 |
@tavisto | Well if you guys want to say the hell with windows then that's fine but even Fujitsu was interested in using it on Windows | 07:45 |
@rizen | not sure where you're getting those numbers, windows doesn't even control that much of the server market | 07:46 |
@tavisto | I'm not sure how much that hurts us | 07:46 |
@rizen | they have about 55% | 07:46 |
@rizen | and that's all flavors of windows | 07:46 |
@tavisto | for small and medium businesses? No way | 07:46 |
@rizen | Fujitsu said they also can run linux | 07:46 |
@tavisto | They aren't running linux or mac servers | 07:46 |
@rizen | you didn't say small businesses, you said business | 07:46 |
@tavisto | oh okay | 07:47 |
@rizen | and yes they do run linux....they said so on that call i was on with them | 07:47 |
@tavisto | yeah but didn't they say that project was on windows and that they would throw more hardware at the problem? | 07:47 |
@tavisto | speaking of them, they're waiting on the UK gov for the bid selection | 07:48 |
@rizen | they said they're going to build out new servers for the project regardless | 07:48 |
@rizen | they didn't care whether it was windows or linux | 07:48 |
@rizen | they were initially planning windows | 07:48 |
@rizen | and i told them it wouldn't scale, and they said "that's ok we'll use linux" | 07:48 |
@tavisto | well good, that works for me | 07:49 |
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@rizen | everybody runnnnnnnnn!!! snapcount is here | 07:50 |
* rizen runs as fast as he can screaming like a girl | 07:50 |
perlDreamer | holy smoke, the event calendar has 200 variables, for 1 event! | 07:50 |
@tavisto | Jesus saves and everyone else takes 5d10 Damage | 07:50 |
@rizen | jesus disappeared in a puff of logic | 07:51 |
@rizen | i read that somewhere | 07:51 |
@rizen | =) | 07:51 |
perlDreamer | it wasn't the bible | 07:51 |
@rizen | yes it was, it was the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy | 07:52 |
@rizen | which is the bible to the universe | 07:52 |
@rizen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:God_%28Non-Existance_of%29.jpg | 07:53 |
@rizen | "The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.' | 07:55 |
@rizen | "`But,' says Man, `The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.' | 07:55 |
@rizen | "`Oh dear,' says God, `I hadn't thought of that,' and promptly vanished in a puff of logic. | 07:55 |
+Radix-wrk | "Oh that was easy says man and proves that black is white and gets killed on the next zebra crossing" | 07:56 |
@rizen | love that book | 07:57 |
@rizen | the movie was ok, but the book was way better | 07:57 |
+Radix-wrk | "Some leading theologicans think this is a load of dingo's kidneys, but that didn't stop Oolahan Cahoopid from making millions in his book bestseller "Well that about wraps it up for God"." | 07:57 |
@rizen | but the BBC radio series was the best ever | 07:57 |
+Radix-wrk | "Meanwhile, the poor babelfish, by removing all barriers of communication - had caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation" | 07:58 |
@tavisto | No I think Monsterquest is the best ever | 07:58 |
@tavisto | "you can't tell me what I saw." | 07:58 |
@tavisto | "Sir, this cat hair... it came from a house cat." | 07:58 |
+Radix-wrk | I have a copy of the original radio scripts in play format at home that I got for my 10th birthday :) | 07:58 |
+Radix-wrk | the original bbc series was the best definitely | 07:59 |
perlDreamer | -5 bugs | 08:01 |
@tavisto | nice buddy | 08:01 |
@rizen | i wish i could find that line, one of my favorites from the books | 08:05 |
@rizen | a targ beast is charging at ford | 08:05 |
@rizen | replace targ with actual name of monster | 08:05 |
@rizen | and he reaches into his pocket for some coins, and throws them onto the ground in front of him | 08:06 |
@rizen | and at the last second the beast stops | 08:06 |
@rizen | sorry, i think zaphod threw the coins | 08:06 |
perlDreamer | rizen: elnino wants wider metadata fields. Any objections? | 08:06 |
perlDreamer | oh, wait, coins! | 08:06 |
@rizen | and ford says, "what happened" | 08:06 |
@rizen | and zaphod says, everybody knows that targ beasts will stop on a dime | 08:06 |
@rizen | elnino wanted that for an invalid reason | 08:08 |
@rizen | but that doesn't mean there isn't a valid reason, so i guess no objections | 08:08 |
perlDreamer | I was thinking 2X. that's a lot of text | 08:09 |
@rizen | 2x? | 08:11 |
@rizen | 2x what it is now? | 08:11 |
@rizen | i'd just make it a varchar(255) | 08:11 |
@rizen | if you make it a text blob type like mediumtext then you can't sort on it, or perform certain match types, so that's no og | 08:12 |
@rizen | good | 08:12 |
perlDreamer | right now it's 100 for fieldName, and 100 for values | 08:12 |
@rizen | field name is more than enough | 08:12 |
perlDreamer | 255 it is | 08:12 |
@rizen | change value to 255 | 08:12 |
perlDreamer | you got it boss | 08:13 |
@rizen | that's just sad | 08:20 |
@rizen | 5 years into the iraq war only 1 in 7 americans can find iraq on a world map | 08:21 |
@rizen | and only 2 of 5 americans know we have 3 branches of government and can name them | 08:22 |
@rizen | methinks we need to have a test before you can vote | 08:24 |
perlDreamer | they need to play Campaign Secrets | 08:24 |
@rizen | you get 1 point for just being able to write your name | 08:24 |
@rizen | i bet 50% of voters would be cut out right there | 08:24 |
perlDreamer | X | 08:25 |
perlDreamer | does that count? | 08:25 |
@rizen | nope | 08:25 |
@rizen | given that elementary through high school is free in this country, and has been for 100 years, you should be required to be literate to vote | 08:25 |
perlDreamer | this is messed up | 08:26 |
perlDreamer | asset meta data defaultvalue can hold multiple rows, it's a text area, but there's only 100 characters alotted for all of them. | 08:27 |
perlDreamer | should that be a text field instead of a varchar? | 08:27 |
@rizen | it pisses me off that people get distracted by whether barrack can bowl, hillary can tip back brandy snifters, mcain is too old, and bush dancing | 08:27 |
@rizen | none of those things are relevant | 08:28 |
perlDreamer | relevancy != ratings | 08:28 |
@rizen | i just said it shouldn't be a text field | 08:28 |
@rizen | scroll up | 08:29 |
perlDreamer | I'm sorry, I wasn't clear | 08:29 |
perlDreamer | values in metaData_values are 100 chars | 08:29 |
perlDreamer | default values (options to pick from) are limited to 100 chars in metaData_properties | 08:29 |
perlDreamer | seems like it should be bigger/different | 08:30 |
perlDreamer | it = default values | 08:30 |
@rizen | do you mean "possibleValues" or "defaultValue"? | 08:30 |
perlDreamer | defaultValue. possibleValues is already a text field | 08:31 |
@rizen | defaultValue should be exactly the same as the field in metaData_values | 08:31 |
@rizen | if it weren't, then you could store one thing in metaData_properties that wasn't storable in metaData_values | 08:31 |
@rizen | that doesn't make sense | 08:31 |
perlDreamer | that's what I originally thought, too, but the hoverhelp says that defaultValue can contain multiple values, such as in the case of a checkbox list | 08:32 |
@rizen | default value *is* a value | 08:32 |
perlDreamer | just 1 value? | 08:32 |
@rizen | no | 08:32 |
@rizen | but value isn't a value either | 08:32 |
@rizen | it's multiple values if it wants to be | 08:32 |
perlDreamer | hm | 08:32 |
@rizen | that's how checkboxes and other multi-value fields work | 08:32 |
@rizen | all multivalue fields hold the list in the same field delimited by carriage returns | 08:33 |
perlDreamer | okay, so it's limited to a total of 255 characters, regardless of how many values you stick in it | 08:33 |
@rizen | yes | 08:33 |
perlDreamer | I'll update the docs correspondingly | 08:33 |
@rizen | and if you decide that you want 200 options that are 10 characters each, then you are an idiot, and it won't work. =) | 08:33 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6634 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm: prevent assetManager from crashing. Still does not work right. | 08:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6635 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: manageAssets => assetManager | 08:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6636 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 3 dirs): op=manageAssets => op=assetManager | 08:34 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6637 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a template variable problem in the calendar list view | 08:34 |
@tavisto | Well I expect the next president of the US to be a good bowler | 08:38 |
@rizen | apparently you don't care whether the current president can dance though? | 08:38 |
@tavisto | nah | 08:38 |
@rizen | honestly...that shit is so stupid | 08:38 |
@tavisto | media = stupid | 08:38 |
@rizen | we're paying $4/gallon for gas, and people are making fun of whether bush can dance | 08:39 |
@tavisto | and you wonder why I support AMLA and their cause to teach kids to think for themselves and find good answers using technology tools. Don't listen to the media and assume it's truth | 08:39 |
perlDreamer | last bug for tonight | 08:39 |
perlDreamer | more fun tomorrow, chief | 08:39 |
perlDreamer | and chief's pillow boy :) | 08:39 |
@rizen | later | 08:39 |
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@tavisto | did he call me pillow boy | 08:40 |
@rizen | i don't wonder why yu support AMLA | 08:40 |
@tavisto | that son of ah | 08:40 |
@tavisto | well tomorrow's the big upgrade day... yay | 08:40 |
@rizen | and the best part is that he called you a pillow boy and then left so you couldn't defend yourself | 08:40 |
@rizen | =) | 08:40 |
@rizen | not if i can't get the damn upgrade to work | 08:41 |
@tavisto | I'm going to punch him in the ovaries at OSCON | 08:41 |
@rizen | been working on it all night against plainblack.com's database | 08:41 |
@tavisto | what you do mean get the upgrade to work | 08:41 |
@tavisto | oooh well no rush then... take your time and give it a few more days... :) | 08:41 |
@rizen | i'm testing it against live data and the ugprade fails | 08:41 |
@rizen | oh no | 08:41 |
@rizen | i will fix it by tomorrow | 08:41 |
@tavisto | I'd rather not open up this can of worms tomorrow anyway | 08:41 |
@rizen | it's just a matter of what time | 08:41 |
@tavisto | son of ah.. i hate you | 08:42 |
@tavisto | how dare you try to fix something and deliver additional functionality for free.. you're a bitch | 08:42 |
@rizen | nobody is interested in webgui shop, thingy, or gallery anyway. i should just give up | 08:42 |
@rizen | =) | 08:43 |
@tavisto | correct | 08:43 |
@tavisto | just delete svn and get on with your life as a citgo gas station attendent | 08:43 |
@tavisto | attendant even | 08:43 |
@rizen | that's far too high for me to aspire to | 08:43 |
@rizen | i'll go back to my previous profession of "goat ball warmer" | 08:44 |
@tavisto | really? I figured it was a great in-the-door position so that some day you could be the manager | 08:44 |
@tavisto | oh.. that explains the stretch marks on your cheeks | 08:44 |
@rizen | which was an upgrade from my first job of "turd miner" | 08:44 |
@tavisto | big balls in yo mouf | 08:44 |
@tavisto | hey how's your nutritional program working out? are you going to be looking anorexic the next time I see you | 08:45 |
@tavisto | my friends Nate and Kerry have fricken lost almost 50lbs a piece now.. They look totally different dude.. I actually stole some of their program and incorporated it in my routine | 08:47 |
@rizen | no, i've lost 20 lbs, but that's where it stopped | 08:47 |
@tavisto | not too shabby... that's like my left arm | 08:47 |
@rizen | of course i haven't been sticking to it as rigidly as i should...going on vacation and all | 08:47 |
@tavisto | riight | 08:47 |
@rizen | i weigh nearly 2000 lbs, so that's only 1% of my body weight. can't really notice 1% | 08:48 |
@tavisto | wow you carry it well | 08:49 |
@tavisto | so does your lil civic hehe | 08:49 |
@tavisto | actually though 20 is not too shabby. That's like half of one of those big ass dogfood bags | 08:49 |
@rizen | for a while there i was going for the 1 ton mark, but i decided to let it settle off at 1900 lbs =) | 08:50 |
@tavisto | that would be the equivalent of castrating me | 08:50 |
@rizen | your sack is only 20lbs | 08:50 |
@tavisto | hehe true | 08:50 |
@rizen | each of my nuts is 100lbs, and the sack has got to be another 100lbs | 08:51 |
@tavisto | boy the guys are in for a treat when they check the logs of this IRC chan tomorrow | 08:51 |
@tavisto | hehe | 08:51 |
@rizen | yup, they've go pixie pillows, turd miners, and 100 lb balls | 08:51 |
@tavisto | code.... code.... rizen's nuts..... code code.... castrating tavis...... code code..... punching someone in the ovaries..... | 08:51 |
@tavisto | lol pixie | 08:51 |
@tavisto | that's actually my kinda woman | 08:51 |
@tavisto | yet I'm dating a blond chick with short hair and big fake boobs | 08:52 |
@tavisto | wtf is wrong with me | 08:52 |
@tavisto | hella cool girl tho | 08:52 |
@rizen | interesting...i'm looking at the old tivo here and noticed that i've got two episodes of monster quest to make me laugh my ass off before i go to bed | 08:52 |
@tavisto | NICE! | 08:52 |
@tavisto | my bet is on cat hair | 08:52 |
@rizen | one is a "Megahog" and the other is something about Ghosts | 08:53 |
@tavisto | dude... do megahog | 08:53 |
@rizen | so i'm going with Megahog. i bet it's really a dog | 08:53 |
@tavisto | that just screams redneck | 08:53 |
@rizen | "he didn't even look like a pig, it was some kind of monster" | 08:55 |
@tavisto | rizen, I may not be able to attend HostingCon as I think I'm going to head to Washington to visit a friend and his wife. | 08:55 |
@tavisto | i dunno if we're still planning on attending or not | 08:55 |
@tavisto | it's the 28th thru 30th | 08:55 |
@tavisto | chicago | 08:55 |
@rizen | no, i'm waaaaay too busy | 08:55 |
@tavisto | k good | 08:55 |
@rizen | they've had 7 "eye witnesses" so far, and i don't think any of them know how many branches of government we have | 08:59 |
@tavisto | hehe | 09:00 |
@tavisto | hey do you know if we have enough points for a free airline ticket yet? I've been checking everyday for my Kalamazoo to PDX flight and they're expensive as shit at $550-$580 | 09:01 |
@tavisto | through our amex | 09:01 |
@tavisto | if you dont know I'll check with Vrby tomorrow | 09:01 |
@rizen | i used a bunch of them and ended up wasting them | 09:02 |
@tavisto | on a ticket? | 09:02 |
@tavisto | did you get punked | 09:02 |
@rizen | i transfereed them to tiffany's frontier airlines account to get her ticket to PDX | 09:02 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6638 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): extend assetMetaData values to 255 characters. update hoverhelp | 09:02 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6639 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fixed several ems migration bugs | 09:02 |
@rizen | and then found out that portland is a blackout city for frontier | 09:02 |
@rizen | you can't use points for it | 09:02 |
@tavisto | ouch | 09:03 |
@rizen | i also found out that you're limited to very few airlines...most of which you've never heard of | 09:03 |
@tavisto | really? wow I thought their program was almost any airline | 09:04 |
@rizen | so i think we'll be using the points to buy hotel rooms instead | 09:04 |
@tavisto | sounds good | 09:04 |
@rizen | they let you transfer points to the hilton system | 09:04 |
@tavisto | excellent | 09:04 |
@tavisto | that includes a whole line of hotels | 09:04 |
@tavisto | ranging from Hampton inn to Hilton Garden and etc... That's where my buddy dan always gets his rooms | 09:04 |
@rizen | there are about 20 airlines you can transfer to | 09:05 |
@rizen | the only two i had heard of were frontier and southwest | 09:05 |
@tavisto | good lord, I wonder how many of the 20 I haven't heard of are still in business | 09:06 |
@tavisto | so what's the latest on monsterquest | 09:07 |
@rizen | we'll have a bunch of points next month though, cuz this month i spent about 30k on new laptops | 09:07 |
@tavisto | awesome | 09:07 |
@rizen | they just killed a horse trying to track down the pig | 09:08 |
@rizen | the guy was stupidly trying to ride up a rocky hill and the horse slipped and rolled | 09:08 |
@rizen | and they cut the film there | 09:08 |
@rizen | so i'm guessing it's dead | 09:08 |
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@tavisto | oh nice. | 09:10 |
@tavisto | was the guy on the horse? | 09:10 |
@rizen | he jumped off as the horse rolled | 09:10 |
@rizen | i take it back there was also jetblue and delta | 09:10 |
@tavisto | that sux.. poor horsie | 09:10 |
@tavisto | oh well delta is pretty decent :) | 09:11 |
@tavisto | lol | 09:11 |
@rizen | but jetblue is only east coast, and delta is mostly in the south | 09:11 |
@tavisto | i dunno, I thought delta was around me quite a bit too | 09:11 |
@rizen | the rest of their airlines are international carriers | 09:11 |
@tavisto | ah okay | 09:11 |
@rizen | air jamaca | 09:11 |
@rizen | south african airways | 09:11 |
@rizen | cathay pacific | 09:12 |
@rizen | itc | 09:12 |
@rizen | etc | 09:12 |
@tavisto | eh mon! | 09:12 |
@tavisto | south african airways.... flying death! | 09:12 |
@rizen | they came back from commercial | 09:12 |
@rizen | the horse actually survived | 09:13 |
@rizen | but it took it 5 tries to stand | 09:13 |
@rizen | on hotels amex does well though | 09:14 |
@rizen | best western, radison, hilton, hyatt | 09:15 |
@rizen | etc | 09:15 |
@tavisto | excellent | 09:15 |
@tavisto | damnit I think I'm going to arrive in Portland at 11am no matter what I do... downside.. my flight outta kzoo is at 6:30 | 09:16 |
@tavisto | aiiiiie! | 09:16 |
@tavisto | tavisto = not morning person | 09:16 |
@rizen | i can't even explain how they say "hog" on this program | 09:19 |
@rizen | the eye witnesses i mean | 09:20 |
@rizen | they say 'haw ag' | 09:20 |
@tavisto | hehe | 09:20 |
@rizen | and there it is | 09:22 |
@rizen | scientist: this is a domestic pig. it was raised domestic and released or escaped into the wild | 09:22 |
@rizen | local: look at it's fur and tusks, it can't be a domestic pig | 09:23 |
@rizen | scientist: it's skull characteristics are consistent with that of a domestic pig | 09:23 |
@rizen | local: ain't nobody gonna tell me this ain't no monster hog | 09:24 |
@rizen | scientist: a domestic pig can go feral (grow out thick brown hair) in less than 2 weeks after being released into the wild | 09:25 |
@tavisto | hehe | 09:28 |
@tavisto | did they catch it? | 09:28 |
@rizen | http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/157/20070525050159bn25hogrg9.jpg | 09:28 |
@rizen | yes | 09:28 |
@rizen | half dozen of them | 09:28 |
@tavisto | holy crap | 09:28 |
@tavisto | that's huge | 09:28 |
@rizen | now they've captured a small wild pig and attached a camera to it | 09:29 |
@tavisto | i had no idea that pigs get that big | 09:29 |
@rizen | local: he's gonna bite, don't worry about it | 09:29 |
@rizen | scientist: do you know how sharp those teeth are | 09:29 |
@rizen | local: i got em, don't worry, he won't bite ya, i promise | 09:29 |
@tavisto | hehe | 09:30 |
@tavisto | someone is going to lose a finger | 09:30 |
@rizen | http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/images/050322_hogzilla3.jpg | 09:30 |
@tavisto | well the first picture pig is huuuuge | 09:31 |
@rizen | http://www.stinkyjournalism.org/images/MonsterRabbit.jpg | 09:31 |
@tavisto | haha | 09:31 |
@tavisto | that would explain it | 09:31 |
@rizen | they don't have the skull of the one from those pictures | 09:32 |
@rizen | but they do have the skull of one that was weighed when it was killed | 09:32 |
@rizen | at weighed in at 1100 lbs | 09:32 |
@rizen | and they have a normal pig skull and show that this pig is indeed HUGE | 09:33 |
@rizen | but still a domestic pig skull, not a wild boar | 09:33 |
@tavisto | wow so that really isn't a modified pic of the 1st pig | 09:33 |
@tavisto | that is a monster... if I saw it I would be on that show too... | 09:33 |
@rizen | it does appear that this particular monster is real | 09:34 |
@rizen | however, the locals still refuse to believe that these pigs aren't being bread in the wild | 09:34 |
@tavisto | heh | 09:34 |
@tavisto | as far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter because it could totally eff a human up and eat him | 09:35 |
@rizen | another line from the scientist: there is plenty of food in the wild, but the food isn't high enough quality for them to grow this large | 09:35 |
@tavisto | hmmm | 09:35 |
@rizen | plus the wild hog they captured to put the video camera on....he's tiny | 09:36 |
@rizen | i'm guessing sub 100 lbs | 09:36 |
@rizen | i grew up on a pig farm...farm pigs are all much much much bigger | 09:37 |
@rizen | the variety that my dad used to raise weighed in around 300lbs on average | 09:37 |
@rizen | wow | 09:38 |
@rizen | they just brought in a skull from the wild | 09:39 |
@rizen | and the scientist said this is indeed a wild animal | 09:39 |
@rizen | but the local said that it weighed over 700 lbs | 09:39 |
@rizen | the scientist said, from the size of the skull this animal couldn't have weighed more than 400 lbs | 09:40 |
@rizen | and more likely 300 | 09:40 |
@rizen | now here's the exact quote from the local | 09:40 |
@rizen | "just from doing it so much you can kinda get close. and i'm not givin you an official weight" | 09:41 |
@tavisto | damn | 09:41 |
@rizen | he eyeballed the weight | 09:41 |
@rizen | he didn't even weigh the pig | 09:41 |
@rizen | =) | 09:41 |
@tavisto | of course he didn't. | 09:41 |
@tavisto | because he's playing the role of the MORON | 09:41 |
@tavisto | go get in your truck, drink a bud light, and drive your truck off a cliff | 09:41 |
@rizen | 'hoeawg' | 09:43 |
@rizen | maybe that's how they're saying it | 09:43 |
@rizen | i can't figure out how you'd spell what they're saying | 09:43 |
@rizen | it's definitely not hog | 09:43 |
@rizen | and not eve hawg | 09:43 |
@rizen | even | 09:44 |
@tavisto | that's because you don't speak hillbilly | 09:44 |
@tavisto | even though it's on the translation.webgui.org server | 09:44 |
@rizen | last quote from a local: "there are giant hoeages, definitely big giant hoeages" | 09:46 |
@rizen | on to ghosts | 09:46 |
@rizen | no narration this time | 09:46 |
@rizen | ttyl | 09:46 |
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CIA-6 | WebGUI: doug * r6640 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): fixed some problems with the new asset manager. restored functionality to search with the hope of making the asset data table an API we can use in all the places we display tables of assets | 12:06 |
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a_ok | can spectre do its thing for more than one apache server on one machine? | 12:45 |
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@preaction | yes | 12:51 |
@preaction | theoretically you could even have more than one machine | 12:51 |
@preaction | that's what the spectreIp and spectrePort settings are in your webgui config file | 12:51 |
a_ok | preaction: sorry was out for lunch, manny thanks | 13:33 |
a_ok | i am trying to make webgui work without a proxy server. Howerver i need some url's to be handled by apache and not trough webgui. how can I prevent that from happening? | 13:39 |
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SDuensin | Morning. | 16:10 |
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topsub | hey, I need to do a multi site setup. How did you guys do the webgui and plainblack site? | 17:42 |
topsub | Is that documented anywere? | 17:43 |
@rizen | not documented anywhere | 17:52 |
@rizen | but by multi-site, do you mean two sites 1 database, or just multiple sites per server? | 17:52 |
topsub | 2 sites 1 database | 17:52 |
topsub | i need to set this up for a client | 17:52 |
topsub | but we will have around 17 sites i believe in total at the end of the project | 17:53 |
@rizen | the number of sites is irrelevent | 17:54 |
topsub | ya | 17:54 |
@rizen | just create a new home page for each in the root of your asset tree | 17:54 |
@rizen | each with different styles | 17:54 |
@rizen | and each with a starting url that you can identify (ie not home1, home2 | 17:54 |
@rizen | but rather /pb /webgui | 17:55 |
@rizen | that sort of thing | 17:55 |
topsub | alright i follow | 17:55 |
@rizen | then you have to add some virtual host fanciness to make sure that your domain is pointed to the right root home page | 17:56 |
topsub | think thats were i am stuck | 17:56 |
@rizen | RewriteRule ^/$ http://www.plainblack.com:8081/wg [P] | 17:57 |
@rizen | RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://www.plainblack.com:8081/$1 [P] | 17:57 |
@rizen | i created a webgui.org vhost file in the wore | 17:57 |
@rizen | wre | 17:57 |
@rizen | and added those two lines | 17:57 |
@tavisto | so Rizen, how was the vampire episode last night? Thumbs up or down | 17:57 |
@rizen | so the first one says, if the url ends in / (ie no page url is defined) then proxy the /wg page | 17:58 |
@rizen | the second rule says, if a specific url is defined, use that instead | 17:58 |
topsub | ah | 17:58 |
topsub | i see | 17:58 |
topsub | awesome! | 17:58 |
topsub | doesnt' sound hard at all | 17:58 |
@rizen | its not | 17:58 |
@rizen | just have to know the trick | 17:58 |
topsub | the rewriterule is the linking peice for me | 17:59 |
topsub | thanks rizen | 17:59 |
topsub | Think i can do it now | 17:59 |
@rizen | i didn't watch the vampire episode...that was earlier in the week | 17:59 |
@rizen | last night it was ghosts | 17:59 |
@rizen | topsub, great, but now that i've helped you out with that, tell william to get off my back about thingy report =) | 17:59 |
topsub | lol well i agree with him... thingy is limited | 18:00 |
topsub | i will let him know tho! | 18:00 |
@rizen | and the ghosts episode was boring...because the ghost hunter tpeople all have their act nailed down | 18:00 |
@rizen | thingy is unlimited | 18:00 |
topsub | if anything we will see you next week to discuss =) | 18:00 |
topsub | well in the reporting side of things | 18:01 |
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perlDreamer | okay, what's the scoop? | 18:01 |
@rizen | scoop? | 18:03 |
perlDreamer | are we still in bugfix mode? | 18:03 |
@tavisto | ghost hunting is boring in general.. it's always fake | 18:03 |
@rizen | perlDreamer is silly | 18:04 |
@rizen | is the bug list clean? | 18:04 |
perlDreamer | nope | 18:04 |
@rizen | if not, then we're still in | 18:04 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6641 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (4 files): Layout changes to templates for Product, Subscription, My Purchases and My Purchases Details | 18:05 |
perlDreamer | very good | 18:05 |
@rizen | i worked all night trying to clean up upgrade bugs | 18:05 |
@rizen | still am not done with that | 18:05 |
perlDreamer | upgrade bugs? with the EMS or in general? | 18:05 |
@rizen | in general | 18:05 |
@rizen | started with ems, but then ran into some problems migrating payment gateway configurations | 18:06 |
@rizen | just got my first clean build 1 minute ago | 18:06 |
perlDreamer | cool | 18:06 |
perlDreamer | does meatbop have an AIM account? | 18:06 |
@rizen | but now i have to test to make sure the site works | 18:06 |
@rizen | yes he does | 18:06 |
@rizen | i'll tell him to join irc though | 18:07 |
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Meatbop | I hear someone was looking for me? | 18:08 |
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@tavisto | yeah punk.. where is my money? | 18:08 |
Meatbop | check's in the mail | 18:08 |
slickware1 | woah hello to you too | 18:08 |
@tavisto | I'm gonna have to send 2 guidos to come break your knee caps | 18:08 |
@tavisto | lol not you slick | 18:09 |
slickware1 | ha I know, I'm all paid up | 18:09 |
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Meatbop | whatever you think you can afford | 18:09 |
@tavisto | yep you are.. you are an official ageny hoster studmuffin... according to Colin anyway | 18:09 |
perlDreamer | Meatbop: The subscription hasAddedToCart works for me | 18:10 |
slickware1 | just a muffin at the moment. once they are converted to paying clients i will add the stud part | 18:10 |
slickware1 | my goal is to do as little design work as possible and sell the shit out of the webgui aspect | 18:12 |
slickware1 | luckily it sells itself with a live demo | 18:12 |
@tavisto | amen brotha | 18:13 |
perlDreamer | does anyone know if the calendar list view is in 7.5 only, or in both 7.4 or 7.5? | 18:22 |
perlDreamer | Haarg: I need to cross-branch package fix/merge help | 18:24 |
@Haarg | calendar list is 7.5 | 18:25 |
perlDreamer | sweet, thanks | 18:25 |
perlDreamer | next question :) | 18:25 |
perlDreamer | I committed a package with a fixed template in 7.5, but need to backport it to 7.4 as well | 18:25 |
@Haarg | which template? | 18:25 |
perlDreamer | layout/news | 18:26 |
perlDreamer | url is plainblacknews | 18:26 |
@Haarg | ok, are you having a problem with it? | 18:26 |
perlDreamer | Where should I put it? packages-7.5.11 or packages-7.4.?? | 18:26 |
perlDreamer | in the same place in both branches? | 18:27 |
@Haarg | packages-7.4.x | 18:27 |
@Haarg | for 7.4 that is | 18:27 |
@Haarg | packages-7.5.11 for 7.5 | 18:27 |
perlDreamer | so when you upgrade to the 7.5 branch, you'd get it applied twice? | 18:27 |
@Haarg | possibly | 18:27 |
perlDreamer | as long as that's cool with y'all, I'll do it. | 18:27 |
slickware1 | Is there still the "small calendar" view in 7.5 ? | 18:28 |
@Haarg | we're going to have a lot of fiddling to do with the 7.4->7.5 patch | 18:28 |
@Haarg | small calendar? | 18:28 |
perlDreamer | slickware1: that's a custom template that I developed for 7.4 in the Add Ons section. | 18:28 |
perlDreamer | it would need some fiddling but it should be easy for an agency hoster to figure out ;) | 18:28 |
slickware1 | custom template? one of my old v5 sites has smallcalendar as an option | 18:29 |
perlDreamer | the 7.4/7.5 calendar does not come with a small calendar template in the default install | 18:32 |
perlDreamer | since lots of people were asking for it, I made one | 18:32 |
perlDreamer | but it's probably out of date | 18:32 |
slickware1 | shame | 18:32 |
slickware1 | big Calendar is just SO big | 18:32 |
@tavisto | yes it is | 18:33 |
@tavisto | and rigid | 18:33 |
slickware1 | oh, I remember my other question. | 18:33 |
slickware1 | there used to be a way to expire content on a certain date/time, but I don't see it. Did that disappear or do I have to turn it on somewhere? | 18:33 |
perlDreamer | it went away, but it's coming back in 7.5.11 | 18:33 |
slickware1 | tavisto: i think you mean big and turgid. or engorged. | 18:34 |
slickware1 | perlDreamer: really - that's an extremely useful feature... is there a workaround until then? people have asked me for it | 18:34 |
perlDreamer | the workaround is to download the old template and figure out what needs to be changed (if anything) | 18:35 |
@tavisto | no, I meant rigid, do a define:rigid on google :) | 18:35 |
slickware1 | perlDreamer: i meant the "expire content on" feature | 18:36 |
perlDreamer | oh, that? I believe that it can be done with cron job version tags | 18:36 |
perlDreamer | but ask that question on the PB support boards | 18:36 |
perlDreamer | where you'll get real answers | 18:37 |
slickware1 | is that something a user would even be able to figure out? | 18:37 |
slickware1 | a lot of my clients are chambers of commerce, who basically post their upcoming events as big articles, and would like to see them expire on the day after they are over | 18:37 |
@Haarg | it's not a simple process | 18:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6642 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix a CSS class typo in the layout/news template | 18:37 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6643 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backport fix for the layout/news template | 18:37 |
@Haarg | you need to create a workflow specifically for it etc | 18:38 |
slickware1 | damn | 18:38 |
slickware1 | that was a great feature in v5 | 18:38 |
@rizen | 7.5 has the feature once again | 18:38 |
@Haarg | that's why it's coming back :) | 18:38 |
slickware1 | oh ok, so it is coming back | 18:38 |
slickware1 | good | 18:38 |
@Haarg | perlDreamer, did you happen to notice when looking at the character set issue if it reset the not null restriction? | 18:39 |
perlDreamer | I don't remember. | 18:39 |
@Haarg | ok, i'll double check | 18:40 |
slickware1 | tavis: when you used to agency host, if a feature "disappeared" from a version on an upgrade, what did you tell your clients if they actually noticed it was missing? | 18:40 |
@tavisto | there were quite a few times in 6.x where this happened but it was because of bugs | 18:45 |
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perlDreamer | most things that disappeared in 6.x were replaced with better stuff | 18:46 |
@tavisto | ok, guess he didn't like my answer | 18:46 |
perlDreamer | things that disappeared: macros that were security holes | 18:46 |
perlDreamer | and the timed content function | 18:46 |
@tavisto | yeah, you said that's coming back? a start and end date? | 18:47 |
perlDreamer | yes | 18:47 |
perlDreamer | khenn built it, I think | 18:47 |
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@tavisto | excellent, I've assisted some users that will appreciate that | 18:47 |
perlDreamer | slickware: most things that disappeared in 6.x were replaced with better stuff | 18:47 |
perlDreamer | things that disappeared: macros that were security holes | 18:47 |
perlDreamer | and the timed content function | 18:47 |
slickware | that's understandable | 18:47 |
slickware | (and the small calendar) :) | 18:48 |
@tavisto | slick, most of the time when it happened it was because of bugs preventing stuff from working the same way.. and was only temporary | 18:48 |
perlDreamer | that's just a template. The ability to make that is there. | 18:48 |
@tavisto | but yeah the new list view makes the calendar much more flexible.. I would like to see a smaller version again too | 18:48 |
slickware | list view is pretty good | 18:48 |
@khenn | khenn built what? | 18:50 |
@khenn | oh timed start and end dates yes | 18:51 |
@khenn | but they work on version tags | 18:51 |
@khenn | not individual pieces of content | 18:51 |
@khenn | so at the very least you need to have the commit screen enabled to use it | 18:51 |
slickware | is that in the new version? | 18:53 |
@bopbop | I don't understand why the change was made for 7.5.11 to have the version tags "hidden" | 18:53 |
@khenn | slickware: yes | 18:53 |
@khenn | 7.5.11 | 18:53 |
slickware | so what does that mean for a user | 18:54 |
slickware | there still won't be a "great" way to expire one piece of content? | 18:54 |
@khenn | it means they can set a date that they would like a version tag to appear or expire on a page | 18:54 |
@bopbop | if have that one piece of content the only thing in the version tag it's fine | 18:54 |
@khenn | right | 18:54 |
@khenn | have one thing in the version tag | 18:54 |
slickware | damn it, so turning off version tags is going to kick me in the ass | 18:55 |
@khenn | version tags still exist behind the scenes | 18:55 |
@khenn | you'll need to enable the commit screen though | 18:55 |
@tavisto | slick you mean have request auto commit enabled? | 18:55 |
@khenn | you can have auto commit on | 18:55 |
perlDreamer | bopbop: some customers violently hated version control, so in the interest in making "Default" WebGUI easy to use, the default was to make auto-commit and auto-comment enabled. | 18:56 |
@khenn | as long as you enable the commit comments screen you'll be able to see the dates | 18:56 |
@bopbop | did the majority "violently hate" it? | 18:56 |
slickware | i violently hate it | 18:56 |
@khenn | heh | 18:56 |
perlDreamer | I don't know what kind of polling was done. | 18:56 |
slickware | for me, it's the equivalent of macOSX asking you every time "are you sure?" | 18:57 |
@bopbop | I just wonder if the change was made to silence the minority | 18:57 |
@bopbop | and now the majority is going to grumble... | 18:57 |
perlDreamer | I get your point. | 18:57 |
@tavisto | *tavisto hops in his humvee and mans the 50cal* | 18:58 |
perlDreamer | rizen: every sub-sku seems to have a thank you message. At some point we might want to consider pushing that back into Sku | 18:59 |
perlDreamer | but not today :) | 18:59 |
@rizen | perlDreamer...i don't really like the thank you message. i just don't know what to do that's better | 19:00 |
@rizen | until we figure out a good way to deal with it, i'd rather not generalize it | 19:00 |
perlDreamer | not a problem | 19:00 |
@rizen | also...the EMS subskus don't have it and don't need it | 19:00 |
@rizen | cuz they are added to the cart via ajax calls | 19:00 |
@tavisto | Kristi if I remember correctly, that was done for ease of use | 19:01 |
@bopbop | I understand, I'm just thinking for those "average" users who like to work in inline so they can keep seeing their work | 19:01 |
@bopbop | it's just one more step now to make that possible | 19:01 |
@bopbop | but .... people are lazy and will resent it | 19:02 |
@rizen | bopbop: its not just members of the community that hate version tags, it's also a big portion of our clients. they were all (most) asking for versioning, and i said "are you sure, do you understand the implications of that" and they said "yes yes, just do it" | 19:02 |
@rizen | butnow that it's there, people don't like it | 19:02 |
@rizen | at least until it saves their ass | 19:02 |
@rizen | then they love it | 19:02 |
@rizen | =) | 19:02 |
@tavisto | wow, I was unaware | 19:02 |
@bopbop | I see both views, I'm just curious to see what happens | 19:03 |
perlDreamer | someone will scream really loud, and we'll change WebGUI again | 19:03 |
@rizen | existing sites will be uneffected | 19:03 |
@rizen | it's only new sites that will have it turned off by default | 19:03 |
@bopbop | even in the upgrade? | 19:03 |
@bopbop | ok | 19:03 |
@bopbop | so we won't be changing the status quo on anyone | 19:04 |
@rizen | correct | 19:04 |
@bopbop | then it won't be a big deal, probably | 19:04 |
@khenn | right | 19:04 |
@rizen | we do need a new video in webgui though | 19:04 |
@rizen | cuz the current one shows using version tags | 19:04 |
@khenn | rizen: do you want me to remove the entire js folder? | 19:05 |
@khenn | from extras? | 19:05 |
@rizen | yes | 19:05 |
@khenn | or is there something else in there being used? | 19:05 |
@khenn | k | 19:05 |
perlDreamer | values for a user's profile are created when they register with data from Visitor, right? | 19:11 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6644 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): add a thank you message to the FlatDiscount/Coupon | 19:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6645 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): commerce bug fixes | 19:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: meatbop * r6646 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/root_import_webgui-7-style-3.wgpkg: Made a few graphical changes to Style 3 to accommodate the new dropdown menu | 19:20 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6647 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/PayDriver_ITransact.pm: remove all reference to CDG | 19:20 |
Meatbop | I'm getting a "Data error" when trying to view any templates in the Shop folder, anyone else experiencing that? | 19:22 |
perlDreamer | Meatbop, is that in the AssetManager? | 19:23 |
Meatbop | yep | 19:23 |
perlDreamer | okay, that's a javascript problem with the new assetManager that preaction has cooked up. | 19:23 |
@rizen | perlDreamer: not sure anymore, that used to be true, but now i think it might get created from the defaults. just can't remember | 19:23 |
perlDreamer | It just means that it has no children | 19:23 |
Meatbop | really? did the templates that were in it get moved out? | 19:24 |
perlDreamer | I'll check | 19:24 |
Meatbop | plus, if it doesn't have children, it shouldn't have the + next to the folder name, should it? | 19:25 |
@khenn | perlDreamer: can we remove www/extras/operations/salesTaxAjax.js ? | 19:28 |
@khenn | I assume that was for the old sales tax stuff in commerce | 19:28 |
@khenn | and is no longer used | 19:28 |
perlDreamer | khenn: yes | 19:28 |
perlDreamer | all the new sales tax uses YUI | 19:28 |
@khenn | alright, I'm going to remove it | 19:28 |
perlDreamer | Meatbop, what's the URL for that folder? | 19:29 |
perlDreamer | the assetManager isn't paginating for me anymore | 19:29 |
Meatbop | shopping-cart-collateral-items | 19:29 |
perlDreamer | that's a bug | 19:30 |
@tavisto | hey guys I'm assuming that existing transactions from the old e-commerce system will be retained and migrated into the new transaction reporting? | 19:32 |
perlDreamer | tavisto: it looks like old transactions are migrated | 19:35 |
Meatbop | perlDreamer: if that's the case, how does one go about modifying the various templates within the folder? | 19:35 |
@tavisto | okay great. For some reason I have never asked that question. :) | 19:35 |
@rizen | tavisto, the old transactions will be printed on toilet paper, rolled in mud, and flushed down the toilet | 19:36 |
slickware | that's basically how i store all my receipts | 19:37 |
@tavisto | uh huh.... laugh it up Rizen, just wait until I show you my new HHO gas powered Lightsaber at wuc prep... | 19:38 |
perlDreamer | Meatbop: good question. I'll see if I can find a way | 19:38 |
perlDreamer | Meatbop: manually enter the URL for the folder with admin turned on | 19:39 |
perlDreamer | the folder will give you a list of editing controls for the templates inside | 19:39 |
Meatbop | gotcha, it's just the asset manager is hosed, the template for displaying them isn't | 19:40 |
Meatbop | makes sense | 19:40 |
perlDreamer | wait a sec, that's not the URL for the templates, that's the collateral? | 19:40 |
perlDreamer | another way is to drop an asset, hit edit, use the display tab and there will be an edit button next to each template | 19:41 |
Meatbop | right, I just knew the cart template was in that folder and was like, Um... what?, when I got that error | 19:41 |
perlDreamer | it worked last night, but I see that there have been some updates to it since then | 19:42 |
@khenn | how come that CIA bot doesn't report my commits? | 19:43 |
@Haarg | it usually takes a while for them to show up | 19:45 |
perlDreamer | it's constipated | 19:47 |
perlDreamer | it's anti-Tank | 19:47 |
ckotil | khenn is NSA | 19:48 |
perlDreamer | since khenn is invisible to radar, CIA doesn't see him | 19:48 |
@khenn | stealth commits INC! | 19:48 |
slickware | it's the tinfoil hat | 19:48 |
@khenn | l337 haxx0r | 19:49 |
@khenn | =) | 19:49 |
slickware | alright Zero Cool, calm down | 19:50 |
perlDreamer | CIA-6 needs some Bots-Lax | 19:51 |
slickware | woo... my WGDesignGuide just showed up | 19:54 |
slickware | time to go retire to the bathroom :-D | 19:54 |
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perlDreamer | Haarg: did you already check this bug in your rewrite of the DataForm? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/data-form-deletes-files-on-resave | 20:02 |
@Haarg | yeah, it doesn't apply to 7.5 | 20:02 |
perlDreamer | cool | 20:03 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6648 /WebGUI/www/extras/ (3 files in 2 dirs): removed this directory as it is legacy code for the old commerce system. | 20:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6649 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix bad css in the default wiki page template | 20:07 |
CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6650 /WebGUI/docs/ (2 files in 2 dirs): forward porting the bad css fix for the default wiki page | 20:07 |
@rizen | hey colin, found a bug in product conversion | 20:08 |
@rizen | sorry, should use "perlDreamer" so it beeps at you | 20:08 |
@rizen | products that didn't have variants don't appear to get a name in the add to cart dropdown list | 20:08 |
@tavisto | gah, squash that | 20:08 |
perlDreamer | I'll look at it | 20:09 |
perlDreamer | I mentioned this in passing to Meatbob, but the assetManager is borked. | 20:09 |
@rizen | Meatbop...our products section is going to need some serious help after tonights upgrade | 20:09 |
@rizen | the new template you created are wreaking havoc...but that's somewhat to be expected | 20:10 |
Meatbop | yeah I suppose so | 20:10 |
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