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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6842 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset.pm: clearer hover help for asset exporting | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | melleb, if you rolled back the version tag containg the original install of the site, then that would happen. | 00:10 |
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| melleb | perlDreamer, do you mean that is should give me the last version before the version i rolled back? | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | no, if there's only 1 version tag and you roll it back, then all the content disappears | 00:12 |
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| melleb | there are like hundred of version tags left... | 00:13 |
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| perlDreamer | well, let's try this a different way then | 00:13 |
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| perlDreamer | do you have backups? :) | 00:13 |
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| perlDreamer | Once you roll the tag back, there's no other way to get the content back | 00:15 |
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| melleb_ | and then internet breaks up... great... :) | 00:23 |
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| melleb_ | perlDreamer, is there any way to fix this from inside webgui? | 00:23 |
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| perlDreamer | No. | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Once you roll it back, it's gone | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you have backups? | 00:25 |
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| melleb_ | its 11PM here, so i can't really call the guys who host the site :/ | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | melleb: Who does your hosting? | 00:27 |
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| melleb | unitedknowledge.nl | 00:27 |
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| melleb | perlDreamer, but normally this isn't expected behaviour right? | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Oh yeah. If you decide to nuke your site by rolling back version tags, WebGUI will let you. | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I think it even has a confirmation screen, doesn't it? | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | yes | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | not a screen, but a JS popup | 00:29 |
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| melleb | jups | 00:29 |
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| melleb | i only wanted to remove my modifications to the site, so i only rolled back my versions | 00:30 |
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| melleb | its not like i've done anything wrong by rolling back my versions right? | 00:32 |
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| perlDreamer | well, there is some discrepancy somewhere. If you only rollled back your versions, it _should_ be fine. | 00:32 |
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| wgGuest90 | when I first setup webgui I logged into a page that let me start and stop services, setup new sites etc.. | 00:33 |
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| wgGuest90 | what ist he url of that page? | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | By counterargument (which may be flawed), everything isn't fine, so maybe you missed one, or did a different one. | 00:33 |
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| wgGuest90 | cant' seem to findit | 00:33 |
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| melleb | perlDreamer, nope i'm certain of that... | 00:33 |
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| melleb | perlDreamer, preaction, thanks for the help i'll call the webgui-gurus in the morning... maybe they know of a solution... | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest90, that's the wreconsole.pl. you need to go to a terminal, run the wreconsole.pl script, and it will tell you what URL you need to use | 00:39 |
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| wgGuest90 | awesome thanks - I'll try that | 00:44 |
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| @Haarg | well shit | 09:31 |
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| @Haarg | case insensitivity messed up style 1 | 09:32 |
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| @preaction | nice | 09:44 |
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| Trebbor | Hi. | 10:47 |
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| Trebbor | Somebody there who can perhaps help me out? | 10:50 |
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| @preaction | perlbot ask | 11:00 |
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| perlbot | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 11:00 |
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| Trebbor | Haha, never mind. I fixed it myself. (after a few hours looking) | 11:13 |
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| Trebbor | Goodmorning Bartjol. | 11:14 |
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| BartJol | hi | 11:14 |
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| patspam | has anyone tried doing profiling with DProf whilst using WebGUI::Test? | 11:21 |
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| BartJol | mmm patspam, if it's about testeing PerlDreamer is your guy | 11:23 |
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| @preaction | patspam, i've done DProf profiling while running normally, but not via the tests | 11:23 |
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| patspam | ok maybe I'll try to catch him tomorrow.. they don't seem to play nicely together | 11:23 |
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| patspam | dprof's output gets garbled | 11:23 |
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| patspam | which i think supposedly happens if you run it in conjunction with Test::More | 11:24 |
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| patspam | aha, tracked it down to Class::InsideOut | 11:38 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6843 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (14 files in 5 dirs): WebGUI_flux: test refactoring and some benchmarking/profiling | 14:55 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:02 |
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| ckotil | Good Morning | 16:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 16:29 |
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| knowmad | morning people (or afternoon to MHG et al) | 17:22 |
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| knowmad | is there anyone here familiar with the new e-commerce system? | 17:23 |
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| knowmad | in particular, i need to know if it can do coupons | 17:23 |
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| knowmad | hey tavisto | 17:23 |
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| @bopbop | yes, you can do coupons | 17:23 |
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| @tavisto | yo | 17:23 |
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| knowmad | thanks bopbop | 17:23 |
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| @tavisto | yes, flat rate coupons can be added to the new cart | 17:23 |
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| @bopbop | yep | 17:23 |
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| knowmad | can it do 1-time coupons? | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi knowmad | 17:23 |
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| knowmad | hey MrHairgrease | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i think all coupons are one time | 17:24 |
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| knowmad | that seems odd | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | with coupons you mean price reduction tickets right | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:24 |
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| knowmad | yep | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so you'll want people to redeem those only once right? | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or else they'll always have a reduction | 17:25 |
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| knowmad | exactly | 17:25 |
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| knowmad | there are some cases where i'd want to allow users to reuse coupons, but in this instance not | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so by definition, coupons are 1 time redeemable only | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i see | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno if that's possible | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen does | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | since he made the coupons | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | speaking of which | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | where's rizen anyway? | 17:26 |
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| knowmad | where is rizen? | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | he seems to have disappeared from the surface of the earth | 17:26 |
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| knowmad | tavis probably has him busy ;) | 17:26 |
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| knowmad | thanks for the input... | 17:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oki | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | best way to find out is to check the code | 17:27 |
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| @tavisto | I think Rizen has been on fire lately and hasn't been on IM and IRC lately | 17:44 |
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| Sara | Hi, I have a question about the cs | 18:05 |
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| BartJol | Sara, well fire away | 18:06 |
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| Sara | There are some macro to show the post most rate? | 18:07 |
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| BartJol | in the overview from fifferent forums? | 18:07 |
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| BartJol | I think thta's a template | 18:07 |
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| Sara | I have many post in a cs, i would like to show the post most rate | 18:09 |
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| Sara | or the most visit post | 18:10 |
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| Sara | is this posible? | 18:11 |
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| BartJol | <tmpl_var views> | 18:11 |
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| BartJol | ah, well | 18:11 |
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| BartJol | you want to show the post title, with a link to the post that is viewed most often? | 18:11 |
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| Sara | Yes i do | 18:12 |
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| BartJol | I don't think a macro exists for that purpose, you can also make a sqlreport for that or make a macro | 18:13 |
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| BartJol | shouldn't be to bad | 18:13 |
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| BartJol | or I can write it but it will cost our standard hourly wage (85 euro) | 18:15 |
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| BartJol | that's procolix | 18:15 |
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| Sara | 8-) | 18:17 |
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| BartJol | no? ok | 18:17 |
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| BartJol | :) | 18:17 |
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| Sara | Bartjol, can you tell me in wich table of the data base i must do it the sql report? | 18:20 |
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| BartJol | collaboration? | 18:21 |
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| Sara | Ok, let me see | 18:23 |
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| BartJol | not sure, just a guess | 18:24 |
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| BartJol | with a capital: Collaboration | 18:25 |
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| BartJol | but Post is probably also a good idea | 18:26 |
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| BartJol | have fun with it, I'm off,todeloo | 18:28 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6844 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): fixed: Synopsis doesn't update after editting posts | 18:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6845 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: Mail messages not properly decoded | 18:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6846 /WebGUI/ (56 files in 33 dirs): fixed: Style 1, other areas broken due to case sensitivity in uploads | 18:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6847 /WebGUI/www/uploads/ (14 files in 14 dirs): cleaning up uploads dirs | 18:51 |
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| @tavisto | webgui.org is soooooooo slow | 20:14 |
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| topsub | can i do an auto incrementing Id number with thingy | 22:06 |
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| ckotil | can you disable caching on a single asset? | 22:11 |
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| ckotil | the nocache html headers did the trick. | 22:27 |
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| ckotil | =) | 22:28 |
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| ckotil | working on this web form that is served up via macro. and data was getting cached | 22:28 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron, I've always considered you a pretty sharp guy, but in your photo you're a little blurry. We'll attribute that to a bad lens :) | 22:53 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, The camera was made in ~2004 | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | um, too much caffeine? | 22:54 |
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| @apeiron | Self-taken, yeah, and my hands aren't steady. | 22:54 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Hey, didn't you add an RFE for being able to self-assign a bug? | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, I called it "grab a bug" | 22:57 |
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| @apeiron | I know it existed because I dumped all my karma into it but I can't find it now. | 22:57 |
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| @apeiron | Maybe it was implemented? | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | could be | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | let's check | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: http://www.webgui.org/qicscyynmapmzmbi1zoyya#qICScyYnmAPmZmBi1zoYYA | 22:58 |
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| @apeiron | ah. | 22:58 |
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| @apeiron | That URL bug is fixed, by the way. | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | cool | 22:59 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, I'm sending another church toward PB for some help. | 23:00 |
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| perlDreamer | It's Whitney Baptist, and the contact should be Mark. | 23:00 |
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| @tavisto | alrighty | 23:01 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, do you think you are capable of fixing the "add to cart" bug? | 23:02 |
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| @tavisto | where it returns the user to the product instead of the thank you message? | 23:02 |
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| perlDreamer | I would have fixed that bug last week, except for one thing. | 23:02 |
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| perlDreamer | I think it will break shelves badly | 23:02 |
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| @tavisto | it will? | 23:02 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah. Do you want me to explain it? | 23:03 |
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| @tavisto | if you've got the time I'd like to know | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | Okay | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | Consider that you have 3 products on 1 page | 23:03 |
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| @tavisto | b/c Kristi and I think that it's impossible to use right now | 23:03 |
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| @tavisto | k | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | What you're asking is for the product to return the view of the parent (the page) after certain tasks are done, like add to cart. | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | That, alone, is very easy. | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | The problem comes when you have a shelf. | 23:04 |
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| @tavisto | actually it's a return to a template | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | No | 23:04 |
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| @tavisto | of the product... showing the thank you message? | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | Are we talking abuot the same thing? | 23:04 |
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| @tavisto | not sure now... | 23:05 |
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| @tavisto | I'm talking about the issue where a user adds something to cart... then it returns them to the same product view | 23:05 |
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| perlDreamer | Is this a posted bug? | 23:05 |
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| @tavisto | it *should* return them to a blank screen with the thank you message | 23:06 |
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| @tavisto | yeah it's under Kristi's | 23:06 |
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| @tavisto | let me grab it | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | please shoot me a URL | 23:06 |
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| @tavisto | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/add-to-cart-button-broken#nCiOC-vIM0cobTKRn1-CyQ | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | Is that only on PB.com, or is it also on beta.webgui.org? | 23:07 |
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| perlDreamer | I thought that was a PB only bug. | 23:07 |
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| @tavisto | no this also affects anything using the beta | 23:07 |
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| perlDreamer | let's set up a beta site to test it | 23:08 |
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| @tavisto | well this is confusing Colin because it's a hybrid issue between 2 bug reports | 23:08 |
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| @tavisto | Let me explain what is happening and you tell me if this is the same thing. | 23:08 |
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| perlDreamer | okay | 23:08 |
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| @tavisto | User goes to page.... where a product is displaying. They click on add to cart. | 23:08 |
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| @tavisto | Screen refreshes and user views the individual product now with the same add to cart button. The Thank You message is not visible anywhere. | 23:09 |
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| @tavisto | This only affects products and Donations are actually showing the Thank you Message | 23:09 |
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| @tavisto | But the problem with Donations is that it still shows the "Donation" and gives you the option to add to cart. That shouldn't be there. | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | I have a beta demo site here: http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home | 23:10 |
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| @tavisto | k | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | It has a product on the main page at the bottom. | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | if you click on add to cart it does... | 23:10 |
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| @tavisto | i added it to cart | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | not show you the thank you message | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | now I see a screen that tells me | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | widgets are cool | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | and I see an option to add to cart again... | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | this is very flawd | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | flawed even | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | It should just show me thank you message and any macros I add to the space | 23:11 |
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| @tavisto | ie. (Continue Shopping link, and then a ^ViewCart; macro) | 23:12 |
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| @tavisto | it just doesn't make sense to have the user see "add to cart" and the product dropdowns right after they add something to cart | 23:13 |
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| perlDreamer | So _you_ are really just asking for a different template. One with some conditional in it that does different things right after you have added something to the cart? | 23:20 |
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| @tavisto | I'm not sure... there's obviously a bug in that the welcome message isn't displayed | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | there's template variable to do that | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | It's just not in the default template | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | the template variable is called hasAddedToCart | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | that's the conditional | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | and the thank you message is thankYouMessage | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | http://beta.webgui.org/demo1214939307_856/home?op=viewHelp;hid=product%20template;namespace=Asset_Product | 23:26 |
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| perlDreamer | about in the middle | 23:26 |
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| perlDreamer | kristi's bug is quite different | 23:26 |
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| @tavisto | well the problem is that Kristi and I don't know what's connected and what's not | 23:26 |
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| @tavisto | we're looking at it from a user perspective | 23:27 |
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| @tavisto | by default there is no good reason for someone to see the add to cart or product options after adding it to cart. Agree? | 23:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I am probably not your typical user. It doesn't bother me. | 23:27 |
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| @tavisto | that's right you aren't | 23:28 |
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| @tavisto | the guy who picks up webgui and tries to add a simple shopping cart. | 23:28 |
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| @tavisto | that's the guy that's saying exactly what I'm saying | 23:28 |
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| @tavisto | actually, Tavis, the guy that's been around WebGUI since before it existed... is saying that. | 23:29 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 23:29 |
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| perlDreamer | So what you're saying, on behalf of the users, is that after you add it to the cart, you never want to see an addToCart button until checkout or until it's removed from the cart? | 23:29 |
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| @tavisto | once I add it to cart... I want to see the confirmation that it's been added. And then "Continue Shopping" and "View Cart" options | 23:30 |
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| @tavisto | can you tell me why you think it would be a good idea to show the same product and add to cart option? That's just fueling confusion for the end user | 23:30 |
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| @tavisto | my thought right now is to keep clicking the add to cart button.... like a gerbil in a wheel | 23:30 |
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| perlDreamer | Sure, let them buy as many as they want. | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | we've got enough of that confusion stuff to last us a few eons :p | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | okay.... without confirmation? | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | but can't they update quantity in the cart itself? | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | how do I even know it's added? | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | where can I go from here? | 23:31 |
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| @preaction | DISNEY WORLD! | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | why does it keep taking me back to the stupid product!!!!! AAAARGH! | 23:31 |
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| @tavisto | am I speaking a different language here or what? :) | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Dude, I know you're frustrated. But I'm finding it really hard to get a concrete set of requirements out of you. | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Without that I can't hack safely. | 23:32 |
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| @tavisto | really? | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah | 23:32 |
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| @tavisto | *tavis is frustrated* | 23:32 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, i think he wants a page like the CS Post's www_showConfirmation | 23:32 |
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| @preaction | that says the thank you and provides two links: Back to the product (Continue Shopping) and View Cart | 23:33 |
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| @tavisto | yes. | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: he's brought up 4 slightly related issues. | 23:33 |
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| @preaction | ahh | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | some of them are doable right now with a different templat | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | some require more code | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | for example, what does Continue Shopping do? | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | where does it take you? | 23:33 |
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| @tavisto | okay yeah maybe I confused you with the proxy stuff... Lets get back to just product. | 23:33 |
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| @preaction | back to the page they were on before... if in doubt, just go back to the product | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | Okay, with respect to a confirmation, that's pure template work. | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | 5 minute job | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | hmm... that might be a bit weird | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | the continue shopping would be a manual link that I would create I think | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | not something global in webgui | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | perhaps www_addToCart needs a returnUrl? | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | exactly, preaction. Now consider how the Shelf would affect that. | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | so dont worry about that I dont think | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | The only thing that is important | 23:34 |
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| @tavisto | 1. Thank you Message | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | 2. View Cart | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | tavisto, no, that'd be bad. we want continue shopping to take the person right back to where they were right before they clicked "Add to Cart" (at least, that's what I would expect) | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | 3. (Product does not show) | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | Okay, Preaction I agree with you... Continue Shopping would be GREAT to have by default | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | I'm just not being greedy right now... I just need this to work | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 23:35 |
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| @tavisto | So yes it would be cool to have Continue Shopping and I see this as a vital component. | 23:36 |
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| @preaction | i guess i haven't poked around the new Commerce enough yet to know what we can and cannot do right now | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, 1 and 2 are pure templating work. It can be done right now by anyone with admin rights to PB.com | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | also, please just write down all your requirements | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | have JT bless them | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | and I'll code them | 23:36 |
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| @tavisto | okay and 3? | 23:36 |
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| @tavisto | about the product not showing up after "add to cart" is pressed | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | Just write down _everything_ that you want. | 23:37 |
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| perlDreamer | if JT blesses it, I'll build it | 23:37 |
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| @preaction | so once a product is in the cart, you don't want the user to be able to see it anymore? | 23:37 |
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| perlDreamer | or he can | 23:37 |
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| @preaction | or just the Add to Cart link for the product that is already in the cart? | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | preaction, when the thank you message is displayed | 23:37 |
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| perlDreamer | just the Add to Cart | 23:37 |
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| @preaction | oh | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | so when someone hits the add to cart button | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | I want them to see blank screen | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | with thank you | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | view cart link | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | and the continue shopping link | 23:37 |
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| @tavisto | tada! | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | so the Thank You message is shown on the same page as the Product itself, just pops-up and the rest of the page is the Product? | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Like I said, "thank you" and "view cart" are just template changes | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | (i mean, currently) | 23:38 |
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| @tavisto | I will write this down and talk with JT | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Okay | 23:38 |
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| @tavisto | uh... preaction you're losing me | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | the current behavior | 23:39 |
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| @tavisto | right now, when someone adds to cart, it returns to the specific product view | 23:39 |
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| @tavisto | not even the page it was on | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | well, that's to be expected kinda, but go on | 23:39 |
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| @tavisto | so my guess is that it should go to the product view as it is now but with a different template | 23:39 |
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| @tavisto | and on the "Thank you message" screen the product dropdown, variations, and add to cart should be hidden | 23:40 |
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| @preaction | instead of hidden, just say "shouldn't be there". to me, hidden implies they're there but the user can't see them. ;) | 23:40 |
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| perlDreamer | nah, I know how to translate marketing into code :) | 23:40 |
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| @preaction | in essence, you're asking for another page, the Confirmation page | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | which is a good idea imho | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | i've been putting them everywhere these days. people seem to expect that everything they do gets read back to them | 23:41 |
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| @tavisto | well it seems like online there are 2 main ways that e-commerce retailers operate | 23:43 |
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| @tavisto | when you add to cart you go to cart and see the product there... or you get some confirmation screen | 23:43 |
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| @tavisto | the other option I guess would be the mini cart that updates and shows you what's in your cart | 23:43 |
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| @preaction | right. but i say we keep it as wG has been doing it, show the confirmation screen (which is a cheap page load, not as expensive as the Cart will be) and let them choose what's up. that screen could be further enhanced later | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | like, value-add or impulse buys | 23:44 |
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| @tavisto | absolutely | 23:44 |
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| @tavisto | that's all we need | 23:44 |
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| @tavisto | just the basic functionality | 23:44 |
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| @tavisto | perldreamer, would you be able to do the template change on the demo site so I can get a screenshot to attach to this RFE for JT to review? | 23:52 |
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| @tavisto | I guess I could mock it up but if 1&2 only take a second it would be cool to see and play with it | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | I can't do it right now, $dayJob has reared it's ugly head. | 23:53 |
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| @tavisto | ah okay np | 23:53 |
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| @tavisto | preaction, do you think this qualifies as a bug report or is it better suited as an RFE? | 23:59 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, they're bugs | 23:59 |
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| @tavisto | alright thanks | 23:59 |
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| perlDreamer | if JT wants to RFE them instead, he'll tell you | 23:59 |
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| @tavisto | :) | 23:59 |
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| elnino | hi!!! | 01:15 |
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| perlDreamer | Howdy! | 01:16 |
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| elnino | I guess my boss is still considering sending me to the conference. we'll see... | 01:17 |
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| elnino | I've been trying to read up on spell checkers for webgui, and it appears that aspell doesn't work with tinymce? what are my options? Is there a way I can convince my users that a browser add-in make more sense, and take much less time to implement? =) | 01:17 |
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| perlDreamer | I've never tinkered with the spell checker for wG. | 01:20 |
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| elnino | do you use a browser addin? | 01:20 |
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| perlDreamer | No. Almost everything I do with wG is on the command line. | 01:21 |
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| elnino | yes, sure for admin, but for content - what do your users use? | 01:21 |
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| perlDreamer | They don't do online spell checking. We have (had) content creators and site editors. | 01:22 |
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| elnino | that's what i meant - your content creaters and site editors... | 01:23 |
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| perlDreamer | they used TinyMCE | 01:23 |
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| perlDreamer | sorry, elnino. On this particular subject I'm not so much help. | 01:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, I've followed the instructions on the wiki and the server side spell checker doesn't work. | 01:37 |
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| perlDreamer | That's a bug. | 01:37 |
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| perlDreamer | elnino, I filed a bug report about the spell checker, but this one is not a trivial fix. | 01:58 |
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| perlDreamer | it looks like tinyMCE has rewritten their plugin, and it will require some extensive hacking on our end of it. | 01:59 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 15:12 |
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| SquOnk | I'm getting a weird message in my log | 15:12 |
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| SquOnk | 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 15:13 |
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| SquOnk | Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right? | 15:14 |
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| BartJol | I won't correct you, but neither affirm... | 15:19 |
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| BartJol | just don't know | 15:19 |
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| SquOnk | Heh | 15:20 |
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| BartJol | useless isn't it? | 15:20 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: :-) | 15:20 |
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| BartJol | Very good in saying useless things :) | 15:21 |
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| BartJol | it's a feature, not a bug | 15:21 |
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| ryuu_ro | In my WRE install that's the place where you can find it | 15:21 |
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| ryuu_ro | so you're right about yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css | 15:22 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: This is 7.5.14. The wrong URL shows up in every page. | 15:23 |
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| SquOnk | In the header, to be precise | 15:23 |
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| ryuu_ro | did you upgrade? | 15:23 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: No, I haven't | 15:23 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, did you change your style? | 15:24 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: Nope | 15:24 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install. | 15:24 |
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| ryuu_ro | hmm, so nothing changed and this started happening | 15:24 |
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| ryuu_ro | ow ok, what version are you running? | 15:24 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: Exactly | 15:24 |
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| SquOnk | 7.5.14 | 15:24 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, I can't check it out right now, but maybe a template is broken | 15:25 |
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| ryuu_ro | do you use a webgui standard style? | 15:25 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: It's the standard style. | 15:25 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: It's a fresh install out of the 7.5.14 tarball. | 15:26 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: That's the current version I'm packaging for Debian :-) | 15:26 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: I also believe some template is b0rken. | 15:26 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: And it should be the template with the header | 15:26 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: I did not have that problem with 7.5.11, that being the last tarball I packaged for Debian | 15:27 |
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| ryuu_ro | ok, did you check out the gotcha.txt? Maybe they've changed the yui dir | 15:28 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: Yes. Nothing there | 15:29 |
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| SquOnk | julioh hizo un video porno cromando el pomo de una puerta | 15:30 |
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| SquOnk | Sorry. | 15:30 |
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| SquOnk | Wrong channel | 15:30 |
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| ryuu_ro | :) | 15:30 |
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| SquOnk | I'm still sleepy | 15:31 |
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| ryuu_ro | hmmm, for me 2 hours till the end of the working day | 15:32 |
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| SquOnk | I'm just starting... | 15:32 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: Where in the Netherlands are you? | 15:32 |
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| ryuu_ro | in Delft at Oqapi | 15:33 |
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| SquOnk | Hmmm. Never been there. I lived in the Netherlands on and off for a year and half between 1997-1998 | 15:34 |
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| ryuu_ro | ow ok, where'd you live then? | 15:34 |
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| SquOnk | A'dam, Utrecht, Leeuwaarden and Amersfoort | 15:34 |
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| SquOnk | Depending on the customer... | 15:34 |
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| SquOnk | I was in Amsterdam most of the time. | 15:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | aha, traveling around the country | 15:35 |
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| ryuu_ro | I live in Voorburg a litte place next to The Hague | 15:35 |
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| SquOnk | Nice | 15:35 |
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| SquOnk | I was lucky enough to see snow in Amsterdam on my last night :-) | 15:36 |
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| ryuu_ro | then you had some luck indeed, all we see nowadays I either rain or sunshine | 15:37 |
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| ryuu_ro | I checked out the standard conf file and the path there is right, so my thoughts are that a template is broken | 15:39 |
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| ryuu_ro | I don't have it installed, so I can't check it out now | 15:39 |
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| SquOnk | ryuu_ro: Ok. It should be the template that creates the header, since the wrong path is showing up in a <link> tag referencing a stylesheet. | 15:40 |
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| ryuu_ro | Yep, I think you're probably right | 15:41 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:57 |
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| @Haarg | hopefully the translation script will work properly now | 17:33 |
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| @tavisto | bopbop, I take it no one can buy any products online right now at pb.com | 17:46 |
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| @bopbop | they can | 17:46 |
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| @bopbop | they have to add the items to their carts | 17:46 |
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| @bopbop | and then go to the main merchandise page to get to the cart | 17:46 |
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| @bopbop | so, once they get to the broken page, they have to back track | 17:47 |
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| @tavisto | hmm... | 17:47 |
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| @bopbop | but that's just for merchandise | 17:47 |
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| @bopbop | I don't know what happens w/ support, hosting etc | 17:47 |
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| @bopbop | I haven't explored that | 17:47 |
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| @bopbop | subscriptions don't show prices right now either | 17:47 |
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| @bopbop | it's ugly out there | 17:48 |
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| @tavisto | hmm... okay so they add to cart and then need to go back to the main categories page? | 17:48 |
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| @tavisto | yes this is bad | 17:48 |
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| @bopbop | yes | 17:49 |
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| @bopbop | I stuck the view cart link on that page last week just so I could get stuff out of my own cart | 17:49 |
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| @bopbop | I had added every last t-shirt to it trying to figure out what was going on ;) | 17:49 |
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| @bopbop | figured I better get them out of there | 17:49 |
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| @bopbop | it's very bad- I don't think anyone shopping out on pb.com right now would know wtf was going on | 17:50 |
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| @bopbop | Other shopping options work better- subscription assets, aside from not displaying the price, seem to be working alright | 17:51 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6850 /tools/translationserver.cgi: set encoding correctly in translation modules | 18:00 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6851 /tools/translationserver.cgi: proper utf8 support for translation server | 18:00 |
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| elnino | has anyone here been able to enable server side spell checker within tinymce? | 18:01 |
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| @Haarg | i haven't tried, but it likely broke with the tinymce 3 change | 18:04 |
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| elnino | yes, preaction tried it with 7.5.14, and it indead broke, but I'm still on the 7.4 track and I still can't seem to get it to work.... | 18:05 |
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| elnino | anyone know what version of tinymce the 7.4.x track uses? | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | i could't say about that then | 18:05 |
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| @Haarg | tinymce 2 | 18:06 |
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| SquOnk | For those of you just checking in... | 18:07 |
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| SquOnk | I'm getting a weird message in my log | 18:08 |
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| SquOnk | 2008/07/02 07:40:09 - WARN - webgui.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[771] - The URL yui/reset-fonts-grids.css was requested, but does not exist in your asset tree. | 18:08 |
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| SquOnk | Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the URL should be yui/build/reset-fonts-grids/reset-fonts-grids.css, right? | 18:08 |
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| SquOnk | If that's the case, then the template for the header, is setting the URL badly | 18:08 |
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| SquOnk | This is a 7.5.14 .tar.gz install with the default theme. | 18:09 |
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| SquOnk | (The one going into Debian :-) | 18:09 |
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| elnino | to test if you are correct about your url, put it in the browser box and see if the css shows up. I'm still runing 7.4.x, so I can't help much more than that. | 18:10 |
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| SquOnk | elnino: It does | 18:10 |
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| elnino | I missed the question then... | 18:13 |
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| @tavisto | bopbop, I have a half page worth of instructions on how to checkout... Im embarrassed to even send this to the CMSmatrix advertiser | 18:14 |
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| @bopbop | yikes- send it to me quick | 18:14 |
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| @bopbop | they might not need to do all of it | 18:14 |
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| @tavisto | if they weren't over in eastern europe with broken english they could pay us over the phone... | 18:14 |
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| @tavisto | k | 18:14 |
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| @Haarg | SquOnk, i know about that issue | 18:19 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Aha! Talk to me :-) | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Will it be fixed in 7.5.15? And when will that be out :-) | 18:20 |
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| @Haarg | i'm going to fix it, but it isn't a big deal - it doesn't have the correct path to the file, but we don't want to include it anyway | 18:20 |
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| @Haarg | should get it fixed, yeah - tomorrow | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Exactly what I suspected :-) | 18:20 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: My sponsor is checking the package today, and hopefully we will be able to upload 7.5.15 | 18:21 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: Speaking of extras, is tt.js being used? | 18:21 |
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| @Haarg | i believe so yes | 18:21 |
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| @Haarg | it was recently added | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | apeiron may know more | 18:22 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: It's a third party JS? | 18:22 |
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| @Haarg | looks that way | 18:22 |
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| @apeiron | Yes, it's used for the widget / static exporting systems. | 18:22 |
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| SquOnk | Haarg: I have to include it in the copyright statement for the Debian package. I believe it will NOT be a problem. | 18:23 |
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| SquOnk | The rest of the stuff in extras es Copyright plainblack (except yui and tinymce), right? | 18:23 |
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| @Haarg | it looks like it | 18:25 |
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| SquOnk | Great | 18:26 |
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| SquOnk | We're looking good. | 18:26 |
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| SquOnk | There's some slowness in the Debian upload process, but it's like that everytime a freeze approaches :-) | 18:27 |
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| SquOnk | Counting only in my "area of interest" there's about two dozen _small_ packages waiting for upload. They have been waiting for four days, when usually we upload twelve packages a day :-) | 18:27 |
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| SquOnk | So I have enough slack to polish any remaining issues with webgui (which are mostly licensing and proper symlinking of stuff) | 18:28 |
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| @Haarg | apeiron, can you check something for me? | 18:46 |
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| @apeiron | Haarg, Sure. What's up? | 18:47 |
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| @Haarg | case sensitivity on your computer | 18:47 |
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| @apeiron | Yes, it's case sensitive. | 18:47 |
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| @apeiron | The Macs, anyway. | 18:47 |
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| @Haarg | are you certain? | 18:47 |
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| @apeiron | Positive. | 18:48 |
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| @apeiron | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/WebGUI/www/uploads/ and search for jx | 18:48 |
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| @Haarg | hmm, i guess jt must have set up your computer like that | 18:49 |
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| @apeiron | Er | 18:50 |
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| @apeiron | Sorry, *in*sensitive. | 18:50 |
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| @apeiron | Sensitive to the jx/jX/JX/Jx thing. | 18:50 |
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| @Haarg | um | 18:51 |
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| @Haarg | i don't quite see why the svn thing is relevant, but hfs+ is not case sensitive by default. i'm just wondering any other devs have problems with it. | 18:56 |
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| @apeiron | Yeah, I misspoke when I said it is case sensitive. | 18:56 |
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| @apeiron | The svn thing is relevant because it shows two directories that differ only by case, which causes a problem on a default OS X installation. | 18:56 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, i just fixed that yesterday | 18:56 |
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| @apeiron | So, er, how come it's still in svn head? :) | 18:57 |
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| @Haarg | example? | 18:57 |
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| @apeiron | The link I gave above, search for 'jx' | 18:57 |
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| @Haarg | well, yes | 18:57 |
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| @Haarg | but it should be that way | 18:57 |
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| @apeiron | heh | 18:58 |
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| @apeiron | It's broken that way. :) | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | the problem i meant was that there were some uploads in the wrong place | 18:58 |
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| @apeiron | No one running OS X can do an svn up / checkout presently with that as it is. | 18:58 |
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| @apeiron | I guess they can create a case-sensitive HFS+ partition, but that's it. | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | that's what i did | 18:58 |
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| @Haarg | in a disk image | 18:58 |
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| @apeiron | heh | 18:59 |
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| @apeiron | It can be argued that people shouldn't have to go through that hassle. :) | 18:59 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, but there are ways that is dealt with | 18:59 |
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| @Haarg | it's optimized for linux | 19:00 |
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| @apeiron | uhm | 19:01 |
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| @apeiron | that seems kind of uhm | 19:01 |
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| @apeiron | silly | 19:01 |
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| @apeiron | Considering the equipment PB staffers have. :) | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | well, it was somewhat a mistake | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | but there is a switch for using case insensitive uploads locations | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | but it is slower | 19:01 |
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| @Haarg | anyway, it shouldn't really cause problems for devs | 19:02 |
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| @apeiron | I'm not talking about that--I'm talking about the ability to check out the code. | 19:02 |
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| @Haarg | it actually fails? | 19:02 |
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| @apeiron | Yes! | 19:02 |
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| @Haarg | heh | 19:02 |
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| @apeiron | Hard fail. | 19:02 |
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| @Haarg | wasn't aware of that | 19:02 |
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| @apeiron | The only solution is to create a case sensitive partition. | 19:02 |
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| @Haarg | i'll have to think about that | 19:04 |
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| @Haarg | aside from svn being bitchy it shouldn't matter too much since nobody updates uploads but me | 19:06 |
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| @apeiron | s/bitchy/totally preventing svn up and svn co/ | 19:08 |
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| @apeiron | It's totally broken. It won't work at all. | 19:09 |
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| @apeiron | One absolutely cannot do a full checkout or update. | 19:09 |
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| @apeiron | You also can't do a checkout *at all* on Windows. | 19:11 |
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| @apeiron | I feel that's kinda, uhm, serious | 19:11 |
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| @Haarg | not that serious | 19:12 |
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| @Haarg | but this should be dealt with one way or another | 19:13 |
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| elnino | looking at tinymce, it appears that they only have a spellchecker in other languags other than perl. can someone explain to me how tincymce works with webgui - when webgui is perl? did Webgui have to specifically integrate it? | 19:29 |
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| @Haarg | i think so but i have no idea how the spellchecker works | 19:37 |
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| elnino | I kinda figured.. | 19:50 |
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| elnino | our marketing department wants to change the width of our site, and some minor tweaks, but I'm having caching problems with the templates and css files that I'm using. So when we go live, I suspect that there will be people looking at part-new and part-old. which was indeed the case when marketing presented the "new look" to the CEO. (bad day for them) Is there something I can do to minimize that type of thing happening when we go live | 19:52 |
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| elnino | with this? | 19:52 |
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| elnino | It's esentially theh same design, just different width (banner, menu and content are affected) and background image added. | 19:52 |
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| elnino | forget what I wrote above, this is what I'm asking: | 20:04 |
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| elnino | css and images are being cached in the user's browser, I can work around that, my question is, do templates get cached in a users' browser? | 20:05 |
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| elnino | GOSH DANG IT. Marketing committed something they should have.. If I roll it back, do I loose all those changes? | 20:07 |
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| elnino | *should not have* | 20:07 |
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| elnino | never mind I'm done for today. Have a good day/evening! | 20:20 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6852 /WebGUI/ (16 files in 10 dirs): removing uploads conflicts with case insentitive fs | 20:39 |
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| @apeiron | Haarg, Thank you, sir. | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | argh | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | 4 hour monster meeting | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg, 7.4.15 release is tomorrow? | 23:07 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, I have a modified product template that displays the thank you message and a view cart link. | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you have time to look at it? | 23:19 |
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| @tavisto | omg.. I was just coming back into here to see what's up | 23:19 |
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| @tavisto | good timing pD! | 23:20 |
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| @tavisto | heck yeah I have time | 23:20 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, I'm going to email you 3 packages. I'd like you to check them all, if that's okay. | 23:20 |
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| perlDreamer | they're 7.5.15 pre-release | 23:20 |
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| @tavisto | alright, just apply to a demo | 23:20 |
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| @tavisto | beta demo | 23:20 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm going to a $dayJob meeting in 9 minutes. I'll email them to you ;) | 23:20 |
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| @tavisto | I mean, I will of course :) | 23:21 |
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| @tavisto | oh yeah for sure... sorry didn't mean to imply I need you to do it | 23:21 |
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| perlDreamer | sweet | 23:21 |
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| perlDreamer | be back later. Feel free to leave comments here or to email me. | 23:25 |
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| @tavisto | alright thanks perlDreamer | 23:32 |
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| slickware | hey all. | 23:46 |
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| slickware | can the Package utility be used to take an entire site from one server to another? | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | hola | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | yes, with caveats. | 23:46 |
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| @tavisto | I believe the answer to your question is.. maybe | 23:46 |
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| @tavisto | ;) | 23:46 |
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| @preaction | some things aren't covered by packages. like Shortcut Overrides | 23:46 |
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| @tavisto | *drumroll for preaction's answer* | 23:47 |
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| @tavisto | and that's basically why I hate Rizen... Any questions? | 23:47 |
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| slickware | I really just want my images directory, my stylesheet, and my style template packaged. | 23:47 |
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| slickware | I don't even have any wobjects being used except for 'search', but I could kill that temporarily if necessary | 23:48 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6853 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.15/default_product.wgpkg: change the default product template to show the thank you message and a ViewCart link immediately after adding to the cart | 23:48 |
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| dionak | you could place those under a folder and package the folder | 00:03 |
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| dionak | for instance, a theme folder | 00:03 |
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| slickware | they are, at the moment actually | 00:03 |
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| slickware | /root/themes or something | 00:03 |
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| dionak | we've found it's easier to move an entire site by dumping the db and compressing the uploads. | 00:04 |
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| dionak | gotta watch out for version differences tho b/c the schema could change between versions. | 00:04 |
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| slickware | sweet - the folder packaging worked great. | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, talk to me buddy | 00:27 |
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| @tavisto | yo I tried out the product template already | 00:43 |
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| perlDreamer | and... | 00:43 |
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| @tavisto | I am putting my feedback in an email but I can post it for you right now if you'd like | 00:43 |
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| @tavisto | I already have the product feedback done | 00:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll wait :) | 00:45 |
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| perlDreamer | email on | 00:45 |
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| @tavisto | k good I figured I wouldn't spam the channel | 00:46 |
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| perlDreamer | _everyone_ wants to know what's wrong with Shop, dude | 00:50 |
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| @tavisto | hmm I just realized that my suggestion on the product is actually rectified by turning the title off on the product | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | which suggestion is that? | 00:56 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, what if we took the product title out of that template and instead put the productname variable in the thank you message | 00:56 |
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| @tavisto | that way by default it would always say something like | 00:56 |
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| @tavisto | "A <product name here> has been added to your cart." | 00:57 |
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| perlDreamer | That would take some code changes, including templating the thank you message. I'd like to stick to straight forward usage of existing code now, just for the sake of expediency. | 00:58 |
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| @tavisto | ah okay, well in that case... turning off the title does work and it's functionally correct | 00:59 |
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| @tavisto | the product, it's drop down menu and variants are all removed | 00:59 |
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| @tavisto | a continue shopping option would be sweet at some point too but then again it's not a must have right now | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | that's going to be hard | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | Because you have to keep track of where you came from, either a shelf, which is like a shortcut, or a parent container (folder, layout, etc) | 01:00 |
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| @tavisto | personally, for now it's not a big deal to manually add it next to view cart. :) Customized for whoever is using the shop | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | It just goes in the template. | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | I'm cool with that | 01:01 |
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| @tavisto | yep | 01:01 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto: You're okay with the fact that when you go back to the page with the Product on it that the Add to Cart button comes back? | 01:17 |
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| @tavisto | yeah because it's already after you have gotten the confirmation | 01:22 |
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| @tavisto | wow we have a huge storm here in Michigan right now | 01:22 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, it appears that the "add to cart" button sticks around when you see the "The Coupon has been added to the cart. | 01:23 |
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| @preaction | yeah, Frank just reported huge storm where he lives, so i've got like 45 minutes to get a bike ride in before it hits me | 01:23 |
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| @tavisto | yep, it's monsterous here.. an hour north of me is a huge city called Grand Rapids.. Most of the city is currently without power I hear... baaad | 01:23 |
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| @tavisto | monstrous even.. gah | 01:24 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, so for the flat rate coupon, the add to cart button needs to be replaced with the ^ViewCart; | 01:26 |
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| @tavisto | Also, if a coupon has a description, it is appearing above the thank you message once you "add to cart". | 01:37 |
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| @tavisto | Obviously, the description doesn't need to appear there. :) | 01:38 |
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| @tavisto | I'm off to dinner.. I'll see what else I can come up with and will be in touch | 01:46 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: translation * r6854 /translations/Ukrainian/ (147 files in 2 dirs): Update from translation server | 01:51 |
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| patspam | anyone know why Apache2::Reload isn't configured for the dev WRE anymore? | 07:09 |
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| patspam | hmm i get the feeling Class::InsideOut is the culprit again.. | 07:20 |
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| patspam | Module::Refresh doesn't seem to like it either | 07:21 |
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| perlDreamer | anyone know how to configure selinux so that httpd won't puke? | 08:10 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6855 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/TabForm.pm: Fixed bug in TabForm.pm SYNOPSIS | 09:29 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: WebGUI_flux: better benchmarking code | 11:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: The beginnings of a Flux Admin GUI | 11:54 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Ability to turn Flux on/off site-wide | 11:54 |
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| slickware | is there, any longer, a "display list of upcoming calendar events" option? | 15:46 |
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| slickware | I thought there used to be an events calendar | 15:47 |
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| slickware | or a different display type... I miss small_calendar! | 15:47 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:54 |
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| ckotil | Good Morning | 16:10 |
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| ckotil | SDuensin: what heartbeat monitoring software do you use? i seem to recall you recommended an alternative to ganglia some time ago | 16:12 |
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| SDuensin | Not I. Sorry. | 16:13 |
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| * SDuensin has Zenoss installed, but hasn't really used it. | 16:14 |
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| ckotil | k. ya, its not zenoss | 17:21 |
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| lisette | hello, i to create a collaboration system by a macro, but i don't see the icon of RSS, what i must do? | 17:51 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette: check the template for the right variables | 17:52 |
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| lisette | the RSS i see enabled and in the database is in 1 | 17:52 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but is the rss url template variable in your template? | 17:52 |
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| lisette | rssTemplateId=>'PBtmpl0000000000000142', | 17:54 |
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| perlDreamer | getting closer | 17:54 |
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| perlDreamer | There is a Collaboration system template | 17:54 |
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| perlDreamer | inside that template, it must have the rss url template variable | 17:54 |
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| bartjol | <tmpl_var rss.url> ? | 17:57 |
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| lisette | i search, wait me please | 17:58 |
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| bartjol | bye PD | 17:58 |
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| lisette | i have this in the template, <tmpl_if rss.url> | 17:58 |
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| lisette | <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a> | 17:58 |
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| lisette | </tmpl_if> | 17:58 |
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| lisette | if i do edit and save, without any change, and after that if it works | 18:00 |
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| bartjol | you mean it works right now? without changing? strange... | 18:10 |
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| bartjol | I think it is a feature :) | 18:10 |
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| lisette | no | 18:10 |
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| bartjol | oh | 18:10 |
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| lisette | what I mean is that it has always been the case and I want to know how can I fix | 18:11 |
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| bartjol | it is the default RSS template right? | 18:12 |
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| lisette | I think the collaboration system from a macro, but the icon rss does not appear, but if I go after established and editing without making any changes and then I save, if there showed me the icon. | 18:12 |
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| bartjol | I see the same id, so probably yes | 18:13 |
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| lisette | yes that? | 18:13 |
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| bartjol | yes, it is the template I'm looking at | 18:14 |
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| bartjol | but | 18:14 |
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| bartjol | I see no tmpl_var rss.url | 18:15 |
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| bartjol | so it is only the same tmpl id | 18:16 |
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| bartjol | what version? | 18:16 |
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| bartjol | od webgui? | 18:16 |
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| lisette | 7.4.40 | 18:16 |
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| bartjol | also not in a 7.4.21 en not in 7.5.9 | 18:18 |
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| bartjol | sorry, I don't have a 7.4.40 available | 18:18 |
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| bartjol | so what template is it about? pretend that I'm really stupid (shouldn't be to hard) en lead me the way to your default template | 18:22 |
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| bartjol | step by step | 18:23 |
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| lisette | i have a macro that creates a collaboration system | 18:23 |
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| bartjol | created yourself? | 18:23 |
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| lisette | and in the template have a <tmpl_if rss.url> | 18:23 |
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| lisette | (09:59:01) lisette: <a href="<tmpl_var rss.url>">RSS</a> | 18:23 |
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| lisette | (09:59:01) lisette: </tmpl_if> | 18:23 |
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| lisette | but the icon of RSS don't shows me | 18:24 |
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| bartjol | so your using the variable as a boolean and a value | 18:24 |
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| bartjol | but what icon should you see? | 18:25 |
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| lisette | The symbol of RSS | 18:26 |
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| lisette | in my case the text that i do | 18:26 |
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| bartjol | ok, then I understand, just the linktext it is | 18:26 |
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| lisette | yes | 18:27 |
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| bartjol | well it dpends on how tmpl_if looks to the problem I think. Right now it looks like it doesn't understand that if (in perl-like language) | 18:28 |
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| bartjol | if($rssurl) { | 18:28 |
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| bartjol | print "link with url"; | 18:28 |
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| bartjol | } | 18:28 |
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| bartjol | so maybe the if only wants to see a numer (normally 0 or 1) | 18:30 |
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| lisette | i can do this in any macro? | 18:31 |
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| lisette | or in the macro that creates the collaboration? | 18:31 |
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| bartjol | no you can't | 18:35 |
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| bartjol | only if you give the right parameters | 18:35 |
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| bartjol | and even then I'm not sure | 18:35 |
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| bartjol | I don't really understand the use of such a macro, but that is my problem | 18:36 |
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| bartjol | to many things have to be set | 18:36 |
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| bartjol | too many | 18:36 |
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| bartjol | but I have to have food, so I'm going home, have dinner and play soccer, have fun hacking | 18:41 |
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| dionak | is sql form being removed in the near future? topsub isn't seeing it in the latest version | 19:52 |
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| dionak | looks like the answer to my question is yes | 19:56 |
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| @bopbop | it is being removed in favor of Thingy | 19:56 |
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| @bopbop | I think there is a way to maintain it though if you're using it already | 19:56 |
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| dionak | but thingy is so very young | 19:56 |
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| slickware | ugh. I'm on PB Agency hosting. I imported a package, got it working. Then I unchecked the "make package" box so it would disappear | 19:56 |
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| slickware | but every time I log out/back in again, the package re-appears | 19:56 |
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| dionak | thingy hasn't even been released or adopted yet. so deprecating another asset in favor of it seems very premature. | 19:59 |
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| dionak | slickware, is there an open version tag? | 20:00 |
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| @preaction | dionak, it's not being included in new installs of webgui, and if you're not using it on the site, it will be removed. if you are using it, it will remain. | 20:00 |
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| dionak | so upgrading won't be a problem then? | 20:01 |
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| dionak | that sounds promising | 20:01 |
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| @preaction | unless you upgrade, SQLForm wasn't being used (so got deletec), and THEN you want to use the SQLForm | 20:01 |
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| @preaction | then you'd have to re-install it. it's available as a branch in http://svn.webgui.org (don't know if there will be other ways to get it) | 20:02 |
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| dionak | gotcha | 20:02 |
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| dionak | so we'll have to maintain it going forward if we want to keep it | 20:02 |
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| @preaction | basically | 20:03 |
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| dionak | ok, thanks for the info. | 20:03 |
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| dionak | does anyone here have experience with the event management system? | 20:03 |
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| dionak | we're going to be serving multiple sites off of one install. one site offers seminars and the others are for events (like conferences). debating on using one ems or multiples. multiples seems like it would be a management pain. | 20:05 |
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| @preaction | you probably want multiples. from what i understand the EMS is designed to handle one event | 20:06 |
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| dionak | you're right.. | 20:06 |
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| @preaction | that is, the EMS shows all the available Badges, Events, and Ribbons that are inside of it | 20:06 |
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| dionak | events could be workshops, for instance? | 20:06 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 20:07 |
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| @preaction | we use the EMS for the WUC | 20:07 |
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| dionak | i'll probably have more questions but that helps. haven't used the ems before. | 20:08 |
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| dionak | there's no way to associate speakers to an event is there? | 20:09 |
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| dionak | doesn't appear to be...(hence the sqlform). we could theoretically use thingy for managing speakers but we didn't see how to associate speakers to an event. | 20:10 |
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| @preaction | there's no resource management built into the EMS yet, no | 20:10 |
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| @preaction | that would be a very welcome addition though | 20:11 |
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| dionak | who wrote the ems? rizen? | 20:13 |
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| dionak | are there any specs for the ems? that would be helpful. | 20:16 |
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| slickware | dionak: there is no longer an open version tag | 20:17 |
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| slickware | dionak: I commit them all after login and the package disappears (for a while) | 20:17 |
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| dionak | sounds like a support issue | 20:18 |
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| dionak | since you're on shared hosting | 20:18 |
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| slickware | ah. it was me being an idiot | 20:21 |
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| slickware | I packaged one site from a private server onto the agency host | 20:21 |
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| slickware | deleted the package from the agency host | 20:21 |
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| slickware | and then logged back in (accidentally) to the private host and saw the package still there | 20:21 |
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| topsub | Question, Where are events stored in the database? | 20:32 |
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| topsub | for 7.5.10 | 20:32 |
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| topsub | nvr mind | 20:33 |
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| SDuensin | Any Linux experts here that can answer a non-WebGUI question? | 21:23 |
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| @Haarg | possibly | 21:29 |
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| @apeiron | It may be wiser to ask in the channel devoted to your vendor's products, though. | 21:29 |
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| @apeiron | More people, more eyes, at the very least. | 21:29 |
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| perlDreamer | Indeed. I asked a SELinux question in here last night at 11:00pm PDT and got nothing back. | 21:35 |
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| SDuensin | Yea. They weren't helpful. :-) | 21:41 |
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| SDuensin | It's OK. I've decided to just hack it. | 21:41 |
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| dionak | does anyone know where the EventManagementSystem_products table is defined to be created? I see where it's dropped in the upgrade...but not seeing the create statement. It's missing from my system | 22:25 |
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| dionak | EventManagementSystem table is in create.sql... | 22:26 |
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| dionak | EventManagementSystem_products looks like it was added in 7.3.15 | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I think that's dead code | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | buildMenu, calls _getFieldHash which calls _getAllEvents | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't see buildMenu ever being called | 22:27 |
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| @preaction | it's probably best not to try to understand the old EMS. on with the new EMS! | 22:28 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: How do you tell the difference? :) | 22:28 |
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| dionak | good question. | 22:29 |
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| @preaction | iirc the new EMS doesn't have a second, "pseudo-cart" for badges that haven't been added to the Real cart yet | 22:29 |
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| dionak | i'm looking at svn | 22:29 |
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| @preaction | that pseudo-cart, btw, caused at least a dozen bugs | 22:29 |
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| dionak | so the references in EventManagementSystem.pm to EventManagementSystem_products are pointless? | 22:29 |
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| @preaction | Ribbons were added, Badges are no longer also Events | 22:29 |
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| dionak | maybe the methods aren't called.. | 22:30 |
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| perlDreamer | I think so, dionak | 22:30 |
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| perlDreamer | that's what I'm seeing | 22:30 |
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| perlDreamer | addToScratchCart isn't called | 22:30 |
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| dionak | ok...yea, i see. | 22:30 |
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| dionak | i was trying to see if i could manage webinars using the ems | 22:31 |
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| dionak | i'm thinking 'no' atm | 22:31 |
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| @preaction | the new EMS uses that _products table | 22:31 |
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| dionak | b/c i would have to have an ems for each one? | 22:31 |
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| perlDreamer | Don't know. I'm EMS-ignorant | 22:31 |
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| @preaction | no, you should be able to handle webinars using the EMS | 22:32 |
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| dionak | what gets added to the products table? badges? | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | but, i too am EMS illiterate | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Badges, Ribbons, Tickets, Tokens | 22:32 |
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| dionak | oh my! | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | looking at WebGUI/Asset/Sku | 22:32 |
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| dionak | haha | 22:32 |
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| @preaction | maybe the new EMS is easier to use | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | like the new Shop | 22:33 |
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| perlDreamer | You're a funny man, preaction. | 22:33 |
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| dionak | i believe i must be looking at the new ems.. | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | dionak, 7.5.11 it was added i believe | 22:34 |
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| dionak | ok, i'm on 7.5.13. i live on the edge | 22:34 |
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| dionak | EMS seems like a conference managing tool rather than abstracted events. | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | it is designed that way, yes, but you should be able to ... jury-rig it a bit | 22:36 |
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| perlDreamer | Just tell it the conference is really long | 22:36 |
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| @preaction | are you working on a subscription model? or selling individual tickets? | 22:37 |
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| dionak | individual | 22:37 |
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| dionak | there are 3 different type of events total. annual conferences, webinars and seminars | 22:37 |
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| @preaction | but each event will have to be purchased seperately, correct? | 22:38 |
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| @preaction | no matter what | 22:38 |
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| dionak | yes | 22:38 |
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| dionak | event descriptions would not really change between events | 22:38 |
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| dionak | for instance a webinar description stays the same. | 22:38 |
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| @preaction | in that case, you would probably make a Badge for each Event | 22:38 |
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| dionak | the only issue i see with that is there is no date associated to a badge. | 22:39 |
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| dionak | or time, right? | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | Could you put it in the Badge title? | 22:39 |
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| dionak | hm, it's an idea.. | 22:39 |
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| dionak | how would it expire? | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | manually, probably | 22:39 |
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| dionak | hm. not sure that would work for the client. | 22:40 |
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| @preaction | i think your goal, then, would be a way to buy a ticket without having to buy a badge | 22:40 |
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| @preaction | but, i also think that was considered and rejected, but a lot of stuff was rejected (all due to time constraints) | 22:40 |
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| dionak | ok, that makes sense b/c tickets have dates and times. i wonder how hard that would be? | 22:42 |
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| dionak | that is what i need, basically | 22:42 |
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| dionak | looking | 22:42 |
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| @preaction | i don't know, you'd have to ask JT about that one (he re-wrote this ground-up in something like 2 weeks) | 22:42 |
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| perlDreamer | nice catch, apeiron | 22:42 |
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| dionak | perhaps requiring badges could be a configuration option. ok, i'll try to catch up with him | 22:43 |
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| @preaction | the only thing i worry about is this: it may be designed so that there is No Way to add tickets without a badge :( | 22:43 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: chrisn * r6857 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: Fix the "get all assets" code example in getLineage to show that getRoot needs a $session. | 22:43 |
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| dionak | thanks for the input guys | 22:44 |
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| @preaction | but something as simple as a "Allow Ticket to be purchased without a Badge" flag might work | 22:44 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. Is it normal to pull up a webgui site and browse all the files in the root folder like: http://www.plainblack.com/root/import . I just noticed my site is the same way... | 22:45 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 22:45 |
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| perlDreamer | those files need to be visible to the user since images and other collateral are stored in there | 22:45 |
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| perlDreamer | See lots of discussion in bugs and forum on it. | 22:45 |
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| doc777 | ok ;-) I found em scattered all over google | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | edit your robots.txt | 22:46 |
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| @apeiron | wow, they're all over Google? | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | example.com/robots.txt?func=edit | 22:46 |
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| @apeiron | That means that Visitor can access them, no? | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | yes | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, I have approximately 55 minutes for template hacking. | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | What's tops on your list? | 22:48 |
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| @tavisto | ooh lets see | 22:48 |
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| @tavisto | did you get my msgs from last night? | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but they're at home on $laptop | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | right now I'm at $dayJob | 22:48 |
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| @tavisto | ah okay | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | I remember one of them | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | the AddToCart button on the Coupon requires code which won't be released until 7.5.15 | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | so no worries on that one | 22:49 |
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| @tavisto | on the subscription or flat rate discount coupon.... the thank you message screen showed the "add to cart" button instead of the ^ViewCart; | 22:50 |
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| @tavisto | or is that what you're referring to | 22:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Just on the coupon | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll have a look at the Subscription | 22:51 |
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| @tavisto | lets see | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | tavisto, the Subscription also depends on 7.5.15 code | 22:56 |
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| perlDreamer | so you're good there, too | 22:56 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm guessing that 7.5.15 will come out today | 22:56 |
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| perlDreamer | since it's Thursday | 22:56 |
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| doc777 | In my: default-gallery-view-album template there is the line: <!-- FIXME: Add perpage form --> does anyone know if this has been fixed yet? It controls the previous and next page for the gallery I think and I sorely need it ;) | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | doc777, no, it doesn't control the next and previous pages. it just does the perpage form | 23:05 |
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| doc777 | My gallery albums just seem to scroll on and on and there is never a next page... I cannot seem to find where to change or add "per page". Am I missing something or is it just not written? ;-) | 23:06 |
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| @preaction | 25 or 50 is the default per page | 23:08 |
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| @preaction | but, i thought i made that settable in the Gallery properties | 23:08 |
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| doc777 | Think we stopped at 21 as these are big pictures and it was getting slow. I have not found where I can set it though... | 23:09 |
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| dionak | so it looks like ribbons replace the cost of a badge in the EMS. The badge become $0.00 and the price of the ribbon is used for the checkout. | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | nope, maybe not. the List Albums view defaults to 25 or 50 | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | the View Album view can have fewer files, which is settable in the latest release of WebGUI | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | the thumbnails and slideshow views both show all at all times (since there is no reason to do otherwise) | 23:10 |
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| doc777 | Thank you for your help preaction. Is there a way I can edit something and make it about 15 maybe? | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | in the latest beta releast of WebGUI, there's a Default Files Per Page setting in the Gallery properties | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | but, again, nothing for Albums themselves | 23:11 |
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| @preaction | if the perpage form was added, it wouldn't change the default. the default setting would have to be added | 23:12 |
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| @preaction | Default Albums Per Page, for example | 23:12 |
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| @preaction | you could go into the Gallery code and change what you wanted, but i would not recommend it, and it would have to be re-done every time you upgrade | 23:13 |
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| @preaction | or you could add the feature, submit an RFE and attach the patch, and then it would probably get added quickly | 23:13 |
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| doc777 | Pretty scared to upgrade.... have a whole lot of work in the site and am not using the wre (gentoo). Is there a file containing the default value that can edited. | 23:14 |
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| @preaction | the lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm file | 23:14 |
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| doc777 | Thanks! | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | but doing this, stopping yourself from being able to upgrade, is a very bad idea | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | if you want, you could make your own sub-class of the Gallery to hold your changes | 23:15 |
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| doc777 | When I have 2 full days and a really good back up I will upgrade ;) | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | or, as i said, you could make a patch to go into WebGUI | 23:15 |
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| @preaction | you're being overly scared. upgrading in the 7.x series is not difficult at all | 23:15 |
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| doc777 | But tomorow is the 4rth of july and do not want to still be here ;) | 23:15 |
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| doc777 | grins years of experience and failure to blame I guess... | 23:16 |
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| @preaction | oh, i did plenty of my own 5.x and 6.x upgrades to know where you're coming from, and i always get annoyed that they go so quickly and so smoothly now that i cancelled all my plans that night for nothing :p | 23:18 |
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| @tavisto | perlDreamer, I dont know of any more template work to do | 23:18 |
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| @tavisto | er that can be done... however I noticed I get lots of proxy errors when i remove items from the cart | 23:18 |
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| @tavisto | if you take a beta demo right now | 23:18 |
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| @tavisto | and add 10-15 items to the cart you'll get 2-3 that give you the proxy error | 23:19 |
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| @tavisto | (when using the remove button) | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | proxy error? | 23:30 |
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| perlDreamer | can you paste me some output into a paste? webgui.pastebin.com | 23:31 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll just try it :) | 23:32 |
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| juan | i have a site configured like www.example.net.co and now i want to change it to www.example.com.co. if i change it in the config file and the apache configuration , is enough? | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I think you also need to change it in the settings | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Settings in the Admin Console | 23:39 |
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| juan | and all the path automatically will change | 23:39 |
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| perlDreamer | as long as they are not hardcoded in any content, yes | 23:39 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette: Are you still having your RSS problems? Can you show me a site with the problem? | 23:40 |
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| lisette | yes | 23:40 |
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| Sara1 | PerlDreamer | 23:46 |
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| Sara1 | http://www.tareanet.edu.co/home/mi-zona/usuarios/blogs | 23:46 |
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| Sara1 | You can see the problem in this link | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm going to need a little help with the Spanish content. Where should I be looking? | 23:47 |
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| Sara1 | there are many cs's, the most of this can't the rss option disable | 23:48 |
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| Sara1 | But other cs's has the option | 23:48 |
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| Sara1 | Agregar = add | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | okay | 23:49 |
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| Sara1 | suscribir = suscribe | 23:49 |
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| Sara1 | Buscar = search | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | The Admin has an RSS link | 23:49 |
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| Sara1 | YEs | 23:49 |
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| Sara1 | the cs's admin | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | but others on the page do not have the RSS link | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | are they supposed to have the RSS link? | 23:49 |
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| Sara1 | yes, it is | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | so you want them _all_ to have the RSS link? Every CS on the page? | 23:50 |
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| Sara1 | Yes | 23:50 |
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| Sara1 | all the cs has the same cs weblog template | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | and each one has the Enable RSS option turned on in the Display tab? | 23:51 |
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| Sara1 | Tes | 23:51 |
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| Sara1 | YEs | 23:51 |
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| Sara1 | The cs has been created with a macro | 23:52 |
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| Sara1 | And all the settings options it's ok, but the rss option only show when i have edited the cs, and save it | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | ah | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | okay | 23:53 |
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| Sara1 | PErlDreamer, please look this | 23:53 |
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| Sara1 | The lrestrepo blog | 23:53 |
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| Sara1 | Can you see it? | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 23:53 |
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| Sara1 | It don't has the rss option enable | 23:53 |
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| Sara1 | but wait please | 23:54 |
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| Sara1 | Im going to edit and save | 23:54 |
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| perlDreamer | okay. After you make the change, please flush the cache since I'm visitor on that site. | 23:54 |
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| Sara1 | It's ready | 23:55 |
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| perlDreamer | Now it's showing up. | 23:55 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm going to test that on 7.5 and see if it's the same | 23:56 |
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| perlDreamer | If so, you've found a bug. | 23:56 |
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| Sara1 | Please Ctrl F5 | 23:56 |
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| perlDreamer | What is Ctrl F5? | 23:56 |
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| Sara1 | I have edited and saved it, and the rss option is showed | 23:56 |
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| @apeiron | IE force refresh | 23:56 |
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| @apeiron | (since refresh in IE doesn't actually mean refresh) | 23:56 |
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| @preaction | Shift + F5 for firefox | 23:56 |
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| @preaction | or just Refresh for Safari | 23:57 |
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| perlDreamer | When I reloaded the page, it came up. | 23:57 |
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| * apeiron loves IE | 23:57 |
| perlDreamer | This seems to work okay on 7.5 | 23:57 |
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| perlDreamer | so it must be a 7.4.40 bug | 23:57 |
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| Sara1 | Ok | 23:57 |
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| Sara1 | but i dont found the reason to this | 23:58 |
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| Sara1 | maybe a bug | 23:58 |
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| perlDreamer | Sara1, if you add a CS in the normal way does it work the same way? | 23:58 |
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| perlDreamer | Is it only the CS created by the macro that has this problem/ | 23:58 |
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| Sara1 | I f i add a new cs it don't happen | 23:58 |
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| perlDreamer | hm | 23:59 |
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| Sara1 | The css show all the options | 23:59 |
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| perlDreamer | Asi, es solo los CS hecho por el macro que tiene la problema? | 23:59 |
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| Sara1 | Exactly | 23:59 |
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| Sara1 | =) | 23:59 |
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| perlDreamer | Puedo yo veo el macro, por favor? Please use the webgui.pastebin.com | 00:00 |
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| Sara1 | Ok please wait | 00:00 |
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| perlDreamer | Sara1, I think this is a bug in 7.5, too. | 00:01 |
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| lisette | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d565ae380 | 00:02 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes. This will also is broken in 7.5. | 00:03 |
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| perlDreamer | The good news is that it can probably be fixed. | 00:03 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: do you have 5 minutes? | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | pourquoi? | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | CS'es created programmatically do not have RSS enabled, since it involves calling pPFFP | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | you're kidding, right? who the hell designed that? | 00:05 |
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| @preaction | uh... | 00:05 |
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| perlDreamer | It wasn't you | 00:05 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette: please try adding this to the CS properties and tell me what happens when you make a new CS | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | rssCapableRssFromParentId => 1 | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | it should be in an overridden update call probably, and it should probably also have its own routine ( createRssFromParent or whatever) | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | It needs to be ripped out and rewritten from scratch | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | RSS mixin ftw! | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | but this is an old discussion between us, and I think we agree completely | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | It's just a matter of tuits | 00:07 |
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| lisette | ok, wait me | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | Yo espero | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | Algunas veces, tengo la pacienca de un santo | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | y lo demas ... | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | 7.6 is my goal for those long-term projects i started at the beginning of 7.5, so we should be able to fix this (barring any other major developments, of which there will be many) | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | I so need to win the lottery | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | so you can pay me $100,000 to add those features? | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah, and do all my long ignored long term projects | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | or, in other words, do wG work without the fear of being fired from $dayJob :) | 00:09 |
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| slickware | shit, for $100k, I'd add those features | 00:09 |
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| slickware | and I can't even code in perl | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | slickware, that's how we got here in the first place | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, that dev knew perl fairly well | 00:10 |
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| slickware | you got paid $100k to learn perl? | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | I wish | 00:10 |
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| slickware | I just got paid $600 to learn CSS and I thought I was doing pretty well | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette, Sara1, let me try to explain why it did not work. | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I know you understand object inheritance in code, but in WebGUI, there is object inheritance in code, and also in the database. | 00:13 |
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| perlDreamer | It depends on another table. | 00:13 |
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| perlDreamer | Fortunately, WebGUI will handle all the table lookups for you when you call addChild | 00:13 |
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| * SDuensin is back. Run! | 00:18 |
| perlDreamer | lisette, Sara1: Please this updated code. I made the changes at the bottom. http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2 | 00:18 |
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| SDuensin | I'm using a navigation control to iterate over a mess of files and folders. Is there a way to display the size of the file it's looping over inside a page_loop? | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | SDuensin, all template variables are in the Admin Console -> Help -> Navigation Template | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm guessing that size is not one of them | 00:20 |
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| SDuensin | I'm reading that, perlDreamer. | 00:20 |
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| perlDreamer | You _could_ try a Folder asset, but it only goes 1 level deep. And I don't know if it shows size. | 00:20 |
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| SDuensin | What I need never is. :-( | 00:20 |
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| lisette | don't work | 00:20 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette, the new code that I just pasted? | 00:21 |
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| perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2 | 00:21 |
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| lisette | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6fcfc126 | 00:21 |
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| perlDreamer | Please see this one: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m50bd39b2. It needs the extra line at the bottom. | 00:22 |
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| perlDreamer | hold on | 00:22 |
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| perlDreamer | that won't work either | 00:22 |
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| lisette | wait me | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | El code nuevo no va a funcionar bien. | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Para hace un CS con code es facil | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Para hace un CS con RSS con code es dificilisimo | 00:26 |
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| * SDuensin reads the docs, really. They're just not what he wants to hear. | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | Sorry, SDuensin. So many people don't. It make me irritable. | 00:27 |
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| SDuensin | I completely understand. :-) | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you really need the size? | 00:27 |
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| lisette | why not? | 00:27 |
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| SDuensin | Yep. Building an RSS feed for a podcast. | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | SDuensin, you do know the CS will do that for you? | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | and give you the size. | 00:28 |
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| SDuensin | I think I'm gonna have to build my own macro to do what I want. | 00:28 |
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| SDuensin | Yea, I should probably be using the CS instead of files. | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette, the field rssCapableRssFromParentId should not be set to 1. | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | It needs a very special Asset | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | A macro would do it nicely. | 00:29 |
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| SDuensin | I still wanna yank the ID3 info, too, so we're likely headed to macro-land anyway. | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | for that, you might be headed towards "GalleryFile" land | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | then you could use the Gallery | 00:32 |
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| * SDuensin doesn't even know what GalleryFile is. | 00:32 |
| @preaction | it's a file inside the Gallery | 00:32 |
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| lisette | and then erase this lines? | 00:33 |
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| SDuensin | Are you gonna hit me if I say "what Gallery"? | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | lisette: Just the one with parentId in it | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | the Gallery added to 7.5.0 | 00:33 |
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| * SDuensin only sees the Photo Gallery in the CS. | 00:33 |
| lisette | ok | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: I'm going to need an alibi | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | SDuensin, then you're not using 7.5.x | 00:34 |
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| SDuensin | Nope. Up top there, "stable" is still next to 7.4.x. :-P | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, you were at the library from 1:00pm - 4:00pm, minding your own business, when some maniac with an axe went and coded something on your laptop, while making you pee your pants | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | but in a manly way | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | not a girly pee your pants | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | Not too convincing | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm wearing shorts | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | damnit | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | This crud creates a whole separate asset for handling RSS. | 00:36 |
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| perlDreamer | It's nutz. | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | i think we had a plan to have RSSFromParent work for Every asset. it... didnt work out that way | 00:37 |
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| Sara1 | perlDreamer | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, Sara1 | 00:39 |
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| Sara1 | Can i create a macro to take all the cs, and do it edit ansave? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | in theory yes, but that would be very, very difficult. | 00:40 |
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| Sara1 | Tks perl, | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | Sara1, lisette: Please give me a little time to trace some code, about half an hour. | 00:41 |
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| Sara1 | Ok, really tks | 00:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Sara1: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m632a501e | 00:53 |
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| perlDreamer | Note the new code at the end of sub blog | 00:53 |
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| perlDreamer | now I need to concentrate on $dayJob for a while | 00:53 |
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| Sara1 | PErlDreamer, what is it for? | 01:01 |
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| lisette | with this changes this works? | 01:21 |
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| perlDreamer | Sara1: it should work. I have not tested it. | 02:03 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6858 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: Wait Until, new approval request workflow not available to add | 02:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6861 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.5.15 release | 02:18 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6863 /releases/WebGUI_7.5.15-beta: Release 7.5.15-beta | 02:40 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6864 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.5.16 dev | 03:08 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6865 /branch/WebGUI_flux/ (6 files in 4 dirs): WebGUI_flux: A working Flux Admin console | 06:31 |
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| perlDreamer | only the WebGUI faithful and the bots remain | 07:40 |
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| SDuensin | Hey perlDreamer | 07:44 |
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| SDuensin | Got my ^MP3Info() macro working! | 07:44 |
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| perlDreamer | awesome! | 07:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm tracking down "Tavis's favorite Shop bug of the day". | 07:45 |
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| SDuensin | Ooo - just found something a bit screwy. | 07:45 |
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| perlDreamer | what? | 07:45 |
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| SDuensin | All my assets are dated Dec 31, 1969. Oops. | 07:45 |
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| perlDreamer | that's a problem. | 07:45 |
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| SDuensin | That's what happens when I read the docs. :-P | 07:46 |
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| perlDreamer | If that's in the docs, we should find those and fix them. | 07:46 |
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| SDuensin | The docs for the ^D() macro says that all template variables implement revisionDate. So I used page.revisionDate. That's where that is coming from. | 07:46 |
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| perlDreamer | that's in the wiki? | 07:47 |
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| SDuensin | Yup. I'll find it. | 07:47 |
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| SDuensin | It says: "One common task done with this macro is to display the date that an Asset was last modified. It uses the revisionDate template variable which is available for all Assets." | 07:48 |
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| SDuensin | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/date-macro | 07:48 |
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| perlDreamer | It's available for all Assets. Not for their content. | 07:48 |
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| perlDreamer | page.revisionDate is not in the Nav template? | 07:48 |
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| SDuensin | Um, but isn't File an asset? | 07:48 |
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| SDuensin | Guess it's not. It's on the docs page for it. | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes, but inside the page loop you only get what's listed. | 07:49 |
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| SDuensin | Well, poop. | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | The revisionDate template variables does exist in the nav template, but it's revision date for the nav itself. | 07:49 |
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| SDuensin | Crap. Well, I need to know the date of the file based on the assetId. | 07:50 |
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| SDuensin | Guess I'll be updating that macro. :-) | 07:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Yup | 07:50 |
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| SDuensin | This is gonna work really well though. | 07:50 |
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| perlDreamer | just remember, the page loop inside the Nav does not give you access to the Assets, just some information about them. | 07:51 |
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| SDuensin | Right, but it does give me the assetId. I pass that to my macro and it looks up the file on disk. | 07:51 |
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| perlDreamer | I keep thinking there ought to be a way to give the template a callback so that it can look up whatever it wants, by assetId. | 07:57 |
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| perlDreamer | that way the template only gets the stuff that it wants | 07:57 |
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| perlDreamer | and it should lighten up the templating system | 07:57 |
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| perlDreamer | you know, kind of like the dot syntax in TT | 07:58 |
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| SDuensin | TT? | 07:59 |
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| perlDreamer | Template::Toolkit | 08:01 |
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| perlDreamer | It's a more powerful, but more complicated templating system | 08:01 |
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| perlDreamer | Template::Toolkit has a grammar that looks like HTML::Template, so the idea has been kicked around to use it as the underlying templater instead of HTML::Template | 08:06 |
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| perlDreamer | but nothing actually done yet | 08:07 |
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| SDuensin | Hmm. Seems I have a bad mime type. | 08:07 |
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| perlDreamer | I only use white mime's. | 08:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | mine die quietly | 08:12 |
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| SDuensin | Can I change the MIME type WebGUI sends a page out as? | 08:12 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 08:12 |
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| SDuensin | Where's that hidden? | 08:12 |
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| perlDreamer | first I'd try the fetchMimeType macro | 08:13 |
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| perlDreamer | after that... | 08:14 |
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| SDuensin | That tells me, but I need to specify that a URL goes out as XML. | 08:14 |
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| perlDreamer | $session->http->setMimeType | 08:14 |
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| perlDreamer | but I seem to remember that the Nav will let you change that, in the asset properties (edit screen) | 08:15 |
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| SDuensin | Uhh. Yea. | 08:15 |
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| SDuensin | Looking | 08:15 |
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| perlDreamer | in the properties tab | 08:15 |
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| perlDreamer | in the edit screen | 08:15 |
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| perlDreamer | I thought it should be there | 08:15 |
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| SDuensin | Thanks | 08:16 |
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| perlDreamer | Since I wrote it to help people use the Nav for making RSS ;) | 08:16 |
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| SDuensin | Now I just gotta fix my XML. | 08:18 |
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| perlDreamer | this is bad news | 08:21 |
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| perlDreamer | I've traced this bug all the way back to Asset.pm | 08:21 |
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| perlDreamer | that is very, very bad | 08:21 |
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| SDuensin | Ut oh. | 08:21 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: patspam * r6867 /branch/WebGUI_flux/fluxdesigndocs/ (flux.pdf icon.png): WebGUI_flux: updated design docs | 08:24 |
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| SDuensin | Man alive. I'm gonna have to do some serious PerlFu to fix these MP3 ID3 tags. They're REALLY messed up. | 08:29 |
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| SDuensin | Anyway, talk to you later! Finally going to bed. | 08:32 |
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| BartJol | hee boldy | 13:55 |
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| AMH_bob | Hallo Marco, | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | Hier is mijn artikel voor 7 juli 2008; | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | https://www.amtq.eu/documentation/web-succes-magazine/article-subjects/actual-articles/inspiratie-bij-het-ontwerpen-van-nieuwe-website---bob | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | Nieuwe onderwerpen heb je al. | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | Groetjes, | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | Bob. | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | AAAAAHHHHHHH! Sorry everybody, I pasted were I shouldn't have..... | 14:10 |
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| AMH_bob | ==================== | 14:10 |
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| BartJol | well | 14:11 |
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| BartJol | is it intersting? | 14:12 |
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| AMH_bob | Hhh, if your Dutch (and you are) you can read in in one the comming WSM's. Sign up at the alphamegahosting website. | 14:29 |
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| BartJol | mmm, maybe check it out... | 14:34 |
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| SquOnk | Hi everyone | 17:08 |
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| SquOnk | Just to confirm that the problem I mentioned regarding the invalid path for some CSS is fixed in 7.5.15 | 17:08 |
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| BartJol | ok, so it was a bug? | 17:36 |
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| BartJol | i heard there's also a band called squonk | 17:36 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: Looks like it. The latest template has the right path. | 17:37 |
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| SquOnk | BartJol: Probably inspired on Genesis' song :-) | 17:38 |
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| BartJol | ah, I don't know the band, so hard to say | 17:38 |
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| BartJol | I see it's a genesis tribute band | 17:39 |
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| BartJol | http://www.squonk.nl/home-engl.html | 17:40 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | what's new with WebGUI? | 18:00 |
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| BartJol | c2 | 18:05 |
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| BartJol | =commerce2 | 18:05 |
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| BartJol | and thingy | 18:05 |
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| miloidrr | Hi i Have a quiestion about the cs, can i put an option to referer a post of cs? | 18:07 |
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| BartJol | sorry, could you please rephrase that? I don't understand | 18:08 |
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| BartJol | but perlmonkey2, don't you know already? | 18:09 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | BartJol: no I don't? :) | 18:10 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | oh, I knew C2 and Thingy were out. | 18:11 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | sorry, the last month has been a blur working 16 hour days. Just finished my project yesterday. | 18:11 |
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| BartJol | well, the standard answer is "look at the changelog" :) | 18:11 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:11 |
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| BartJol | but I can do that for you, only costs 85 euro per hour :P | 18:13 |
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| BartJol | that's about 500 dollar | 18:13 |
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| perlDreamer | SquOnk: How goes the long, laborious path into Debian? | 19:38 |
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| SquOnk | perlDreamer: Winding :-) | 19:41 |
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| perlDreamer | Are we all clear of licensing issues? | 19:41 |
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| waiwai933 | hello? | 01:09 |
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| perlDreamer | perlmonkey2! | 05:02 |
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| perlDreamer | Where have you been, dude? | 05:02 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: hey, you still around? | 05:55 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | I just put in one heck of a month to finish up a project. | 05:56 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm still around. Have to put the kids to bed. | 06:14 |
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| perlDreamer | So I'll be here on and off for a while | 06:14 |
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| perlDreamer | So, what do you know about SELinux on FC9? | 06:16 |
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| perlDreamer | How can I tell it to leave Apache alone? | 06:16 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: keep looking for the error messages, then enter the commands. | 07:12 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | ls -Z in the cgi-bin is a good way to find out what the permissions should look like. | 07:12 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: one of these days I'm really going to have to learn selinux nuts and bolts, but for now I rely upon the messages logs to let me know what needs changed and how to do it. | 07:13 |
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| Khaytsus | Can the stuff in /data/domains/*/public/uploads be cleared out somehow? | 15:48 |
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| Khaytsus | For my fairly small website, this directory is 750M and has files dating back from when I first installed. | 15:48 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:53 |
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| bartjol | Khaytus, maybe enable the PurgeOldTrash workflow | 16:33 |
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| bartjol | what version ar you using? | 16:33 |
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| bartjol | Morning SDuensin | 16:34 |
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| SDuensin | Is there any (easy) way to de-dupe my uploads? On my disk, I see a mess of duplicate MP3 files. According to the asset manager on the site, there are no dupes. | 16:44 |
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| bartjol | maybe the rebuildlineage script | 16:44 |
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| * SDuensin had a horrible "server" weekend. | 16:45 |
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| SDuensin | bartjol - I'm scared. :-) | 16:47 |
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| SDuensin | Says it can re-order my assets. I *just* did that by hand to fix them! | 16:47 |
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| bartjol | :) | 16:48 |
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| bartjol | well it ***should*** move everything back in lie | 16:49 |
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| bartjol | line | 16:49 |
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| bartjol | I did it once without many troubles | 16:49 |
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| SDuensin | Eh, what the hell. I have a backup. :-) | 16:49 |
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| bartjol | fingers crossed | 16:52 |
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| SDuensin | No orphans found. | 16:52 |
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| bartjol | well | 16:53 |
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| bartjol | that went ok then ... | 16:54 |
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| SDuensin | Except I was hoping it'd find all those extra MP3s. | 16:54 |
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| SDuensin | Doing a good old fashioned "updatedb" so I can locate them again. | 16:54 |
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| SDuensin | brb | 16:58 |
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| SDuensin | (Still got dupes) | 16:58 |
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| SDuensin | back | 17:25 |
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| SDuensin | OH NO! RIZEN IS HERE! | 17:25 |
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| @rizen | yup, here to kick ass and take names. | 17:26 |
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| * SDuensin is here to fix orphaned files and rave about WebGUI. | 17:27 |
| * nuba has been just lurking for a long time.. | 17:27 |
| SDuensin | Hey rizen, somehow, I have a lot of duplicate files in my upload hierarchy. :-( | 17:29 |
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| @rizen | sweet | 17:29 |
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| @rizen | you know that you're supposed to have that, right? | 17:30 |
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| SDuensin | It would be if they were little JPGs. Unfortunately, they're 50+ meg MP3s. | 17:30 |
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| SDuensin | Maybe in rizen-land I'm supposed to. :-P | 17:30 |
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| @rizen | it's called versioning | 17:31 |
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| @rizen | every time you edit the file asset a new copy of the file is created | 17:31 |
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| SDuensin | Egads. (But it makes sense.) | 17:31 |
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| SDuensin | I was kinda wondering if that was the case. | 17:31 |
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| @rizen | you can delete the old revs of stuff | 17:31 |
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| @rizen | and that will delete the old files | 17:31 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | should image collateral be versioned/ | 17:31 |
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| @rizen | yup | 17:31 |
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| * SDuensin likes versions. | 17:32 |
| SDuensin | Where's that stuff hidden so I can go nuke it? | 17:32 |
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| @rizen | well you can click on the icon of any given asset which will bring up a sub-menu and "revisions" will be in there | 17:32 |
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| @rizen | or | 17:32 |
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| @rizen | you can edit the workflow that cleans up old revs | 17:33 |
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| @rizen | to do it more often | 17:33 |
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| @rizen | so that it's constantly cleaning out old stuff | 17:33 |
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| SDuensin | Reason this is even an issue is that I need to do some work on these MP3s and have to locate the "correct" ones on the filesystem. | 17:33 |
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| @rizen | right now it only checks once per week, and only cleans out old stuff after it's hung around for a year | 17:33 |
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| SDuensin | Can I just run the "nuke it" workflow? | 17:34 |
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| @rizen | no...cuz the settings in the workflow activity only kill stuff older than a year | 17:34 |
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| @rizen | you'd have to change that setting first | 17:34 |
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| SDuensin | Ah, ok. I'm still dangerous with workflows. :-) | 17:35 |
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| @rizen | then you could run the nuke it workflow | 17:35 |
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| * SDuensin is poking around now. | 17:35 |
| topsub | hello rizen, we meet again! | 17:35 |
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| @rizen | i should have killed you in our last encounter topsub. cross me again and you will rue the day you ever met me! <insert evil laugh here> | 17:38 |
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| topsub | lol | 17:38 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, so how do I make that workflow run _now_? (I edited the asset delete thing.) | 17:38 |
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| @rizen | go to schedule, find the weekly workflow, and click "Run!" | 17:39 |
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| * SDuensin is chasing funding for his little company. If (er, WHEN!) he gets it, he's buying *all* the WebGUI shit he can. | 17:39 |
| SDuensin | Damn you rizen - how dare you put things in logical places. | 17:39 |
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| @rizen | it would be more logical if the "Schedule" screen was part of the workflow manager..which i intend to do in a future release | 17:40 |
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| bartjol | and probably put in a lot of i18n to shut my mouth | 17:46 |
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| * SDuensin needs to study that stuff for his MP3Info macro. | 17:46 |
| bartjol | but a ribbon is like a discount coupon, only usable several times for different events? | 17:48 |
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| SDuensin | What's the latest WebGUI you can run on a pre-0.8.x WRE? Not finding it in the wiki. | 17:52 |
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| bartjol | should be in the changelog | 17:53 |
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| @rizen | bartjol: yes | 17:53 |
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| SDuensin | cool | 17:53 |
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| * SDuensin is the odd user who actually reads the docs. Problem is, he can never FIND them! :-P | 17:54 |
| @rizen | 7.4.20 i believe | 17:54 |
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| bartjol | but what does the Switch To '%s' Badge tag mean in the Asset_eventmanagement system? | 17:54 |
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| bartjol | do you switch badges? | 17:55 |
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| bartjol | or other stuff that is related to them to another badge? | 17:55 |
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| @rizen | you can buy badges for other people | 17:56 |
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| @rizen | so the %s allows you to switch between all the badges that you're buying | 17:56 |
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| @rizen | so that you can add tickets to them, ribbons, tokens, etc | 17:56 |
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| bartjol | sweet | 17:58 |
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| bartjol | so you switch so you can mange the other badge, ok | 17:59 |
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| bartjol | we need bigger conferences here... otherwise the available features will be underestimated... WUC in the netherlands next year? | 18:01 |
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| @tabb | Haha bartjol isn't it pretty cold over there? | 18:07 |
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| bartjol | and rainy | 18:07 |
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| bartjol | we love cold weather and rain | 18:07 |
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| bartjol | and cheese and beer | 18:07 |
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| bartjol | wooden shoes | 18:08 |
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| bartjol | etc | 18:08 |
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| bartjol | but sometimes is nice, and duringthe wuc, most of the time you're inside | 18:08 |
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| @tabb | Hmm cheese and beer...I can relate to that! :) | 18:08 |
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| bartjol | and right you are! | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | you guys put on a WUC one year, but haven't done it since. | 18:19 |
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| @rizen | why is that? | 18:19 |
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| @rizen | incidentally the WUC this year in Madison has officially gone international...and more importantly intercontinental | 18:20 |
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| @rizen | we'll have people there from 4 continents | 18:20 |
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| bartjol | well, I don't know actually, I'm just in the board for a year | 18:23 |
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| bartjol | maybe not enough attendees | 18:24 |
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| bartjol | maybe too much trouble for organising.. | 18:24 |
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| bartjol | thinking on the translation of a token... | 18:25 |
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| bartjol | it's a bitch | 18:25 |
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| @rizen | feel free to use a different word for "token" | 18:33 |
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| @rizen | it could be "item" | 18:33 |
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| @rizen | it's really just the sale of some physical good attached to the badge | 18:33 |
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| @rizen | people will use it for selling conference t-shirts, conference money, and conference memorabilia | 18:34 |
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| @rizen | one conference will even be using it to sell parking and hotel rooms | 18:34 |
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| bartjol | ok | 18:34 |
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| bartjol | but that doesn't make it easier, item is too broad I think and is also used in abstract terms | 18:35 |
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| bartjol | but I''l ponder about it | 18:36 |
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| perlDreamer | bartjol: EMS help is fixed | 18:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I wouldn't do too much work in there, as the EMS help is being updated | 18:54 |
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| bartjol | jee, that's fast | 18:54 |
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| perlDreamer | hey, you're bartjol | 18:54 |
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| bartjol | eeeh, yeah off course, who else should I be? | 18:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I mean that your i18n translation work gets high priority | 18:55 |
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| perlDreamer | mainly because I can fix it quickly :) | 18:55 |
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| bartjol | but indeed I'm boring, same name here as on the site | 18:55 |
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| perlDreamer | some of us have to remain anonymous due to our superhero identities | 19:00 |
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| bartjol | Translating feels more like being a monk than a superhero | 19:01 |
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| bartjol | in dutch it's also a word: monnikenwerk | 19:01 |
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| bartjol | for long repetative tasks | 19:02 |
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| perlDreamer | sing it, Brother BartJol | 19:02 |
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| bartjol | the translation blues | 19:03 |
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| bartjol | weel I had a festival yesterday, so right now, translating is ok | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | festival? Like a party? | 19:06 |
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| bartjol | yeah, with a lot of bands, beer and women in a park in Rotterdam | 19:07 |
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| @tabb | That sounds like fun ;) | 19:08 |
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| perlDreamer | bartjol: There should be a whole raft of i18n for the 7.5.16 release. I'm writing the Help for the new EMS, and fixing i18n bugs uncovered by a new test. | 19:13 |
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| bartjol | it was fun | 19:14 |
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| bartjol | ah, but please tell me it's not meaningless to translate 7.5.15 | 19:16 |
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| bartjol | perlDreamer? | 19:19 |
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| bartjol | Am I filling my live with performing meaningless tasks? | 19:19 |
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| perlDreamer | No, bartjol. Just know that a lot of existing EMS i18n will be going away and be replaced with bright, shiny, new i18n. | 19:20 |
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| bartjol | ok, so everything that is new is good | 19:20 |
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| @preaction | mmmm shiny things | 19:20 |
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| bartjol | you want the whole i18n as wallpaper preaction? | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | wallpaper isnt shiny! | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | unless you make it shiny | 19:21 |
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| @preaction | printed on aluminum foil perhaps? | 19:21 |
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| bartjol | the i18n itself is shiny | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: you should check out the new test that I committed this morning | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | It's another i18n label scanner | 19:22 |
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| @preaction | the craziness that parses templates for the ^International macro? | 19:23 |
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| @preaction | IT'S SHEER CRAZINESS! | 19:23 |
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| @preaction | but it may also be genius! | 19:23 |
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| @apeiron | SHEER GENIUS | 19:23 |
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| perlDreamer | yup, that's the one | 19:23 |
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| perlDreamer | already found 8 broken i18n labels in there | 19:23 |
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| @preaction | i wonder... maybe we could add some well-formed markup tests in there someday... | 19:24 |
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| @preaction | no, nm. too much HTML in <tmpl_var> | 19:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Sure. I think there is a tidy based test module in CPAN | 19:24 |
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| bartjol | perlDreamer, are there namespaces that you want to have checked first (then I can translate them first, and check directly) | 19:27 |
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| perlDreamer | anything but EMS | 19:30 |
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| perlDreamer | EMS after 7.5.16 | 19:30 |
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| bartjol | ok, just worked this afternoon on ems, so I can't make the same mistake anymore | 19:31 |
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| bartjol | have fun, bye | 19:37 |
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| lisette | anyone know if webgui support OAuth? | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI supports LDAP, and its own internal auth system. | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | Anything else would be in the Get Add Ons section of webgui.org | 20:15 |
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| lisette | but the protocol OAuth? | 20:15 |
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| @apeiron | That said, you may be able to find an auth... yeah. :) | 20:15 |
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| lisette | this is based on openid | 20:15 |
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| @rizen | he doesn't go out with girls anymore | 21:43 |
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| @rizen | he doesn't intend to marry | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | he only goes out with guys he adores | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer is a | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | perl hacker | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | very nice guy | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | speaking of which... | 21:44 |
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| topsub | Not sure if this is true but with thingy it seems like when i check a box to allow users to search by this field and uncheck it. If i check it later it has a diffrent field id? Is this true.. Its what i am seeing but not sure if thats what is causing the id to change | 22:03 |
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| Khaytsus | Is Purge Old Trash a newish workflow? I'm on .19, I know I'm a bit behind, I need to update. I had to move servers, so I've been avoiding making many changes recently until I'm sure things are settled. | 22:26 |
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| Khaytsus | I'm trying to figure out the 'safest' way to clean out /data/domains/*/public/uploads | 22:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Khaytsus, Purge Old Trash is probably the safest way to go. | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | but it's not new | 22:28 |
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| perlDreamer | It's been around since March of 2006 | 22:29 |
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| Khaytsus | perlDreamer: odd, I don't see it in WorkFlows. | 22:29 |
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| Khaytsus | Is that where I'd find it? | 22:29 |
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| perlDreamer | Is it in your config file? | 22:30 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::PurgeOldTrash | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | that's not the name of a workflow khaytsus | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | it's the name of an activity in a workflow | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | its part of one of the maintenance workflows | 22:30 |
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| @rizen | probably the weekly one, but maybe the daily one | 22:30 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmmmm... | 22:30 |
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| Khaytsus | Sorry, I'm not a very advanced WebGUI user, let me get in admin and look at the workflows for the maintenance | 22:31 |
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| Khaytsus | Hourly, daily, and weekly are enabled.. | 22:32 |
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| Khaytsus | Honestly not sure what to look for.. editing daily or weekly I see some clean temp etc stuff | 22:34 |
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| perlDreamer | It's in the weekly activities | 22:35 |
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| perlDreamer | delete assets from trash that have been sitting around for 30 days | 22:35 |
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| perlDreamer | that's the name of it | 22:35 |
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| Khaytsus | Yeah, that's there | 22:35 |
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| perlDreamer | that "instance" is of the PurgeOldTrash type | 22:36 |
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| perlDreamer | It is configured to delete trash older than 30 days old | 22:36 |
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| Khaytsus | Yep, looks to be set that way to me. | 22:36 |
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| Khaytsus | Maybe it's "missed" some events? The days are scattered, but goes all the way back to 12/2006 | 22:38 |
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| perlDreamer | you're saying that you have things in the Trash from 2006? | 22:39 |
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| Khaytsus | Is it safe to wipe out the stuff >30 days old using find? Just don't want to hose anything, but deleting the files myself I can easily do | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | Khaytsus: definitely do not do that | 22:39 |
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| Khaytsus | drwxr-xr-x 3 apache apache 4096 Dec 9 2006 /data/domains/webgui.theblackmoor.net/public/uploads/ch// | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | sure, that might be a vital part of WebGUI stored as an upload | 22:40 |
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| perlDreamer | the only safe way to know what to delete is to stay inside the system | 22:40 |
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| Khaytsus | Right, which is why I haven't done anything silly :) | 22:40 |
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| @Haarg | the other thing is old revisions of assets are kept for a year | 22:41 |
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| @Haarg | which includes any attached files | 22:41 |
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| @Haarg | there's a workflow activity to purge those revisions as well | 22:41 |
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| Khaytsus | 724M in the uploads directory and this is really just a small personal website.. | 22:42 |
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| Khaytsus | For kicks I ran the three hourly/daily/weekly tasks in the scheduler, no errors in /var/log/webgui.log and they just reported "done" | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | That's pretty much all the feedback you get from a Workflow Activity | 22:47 |
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| Khaytsus | Anything else I can try to nudge it towards dumping the old files? | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | set the delete revisions activity to something like 30 days | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | and then run that workflow again | 22:48 |
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| Khaytsus | Set it to 30 days in weekly and re-ran weekly; no change in storage space used or directories there | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | What do you put on your "small personal website"? | 22:52 |
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| perlDreamer | MP3s, vidoes, pictures, applications? | 22:52 |
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| Khaytsus | Oh no, nothing like that. Just information. | 22:52 |
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| perlDreamer | well, if you've deleted the old versions, then the only thing left is originals. | 22:54 |
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| perlDreamer | There must really be 724 MB of data in there | 22:54 |
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| Khaytsus | A great deal of it is cookie files | 22:54 |
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| perlDreamer | cookie files? | 22:54 |
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| Khaytsus | 91,300 files | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | do you have a lot of http proxies on your site? | 22:55 |
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| Khaytsus | Actually yes I do | 22:55 |
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| Khaytsus | You can smack me, but they're to use an existing hit counter | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | those cookie files are created by the http proxy assets | 22:55 |
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| Khaytsus | I tried to figure out how to do a webgui-native one and gave up | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | hit counter? | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | you mean circa 1994? | 22:57 |
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| Khaytsus | :P | 22:58 |
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| Khaytsus | I think I wrote it around then TBG | 22:58 |
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| Khaytsus | TBH | 22:58 |
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| Khaytsus | 2002, but anyway :) | 22:59 |
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| Khaytsus | So are the cookies files safe to delete? | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | here i just whipped this one up for you in about 32 seconds: | 23:03 |
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| @rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m29199a71 | 23:03 |
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| @rizen | yes you can safely delete the cookies files | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: do we need a workflow activity to do that? 91 kFiles is a lot of inodes | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | pd: wouldn't hurt | 23:04 |
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| Khaytsus | rizen: Cool, I was between meetings, thank you! Deceptively simple! | 23:07 |
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| Khaytsus | rizen: Would that work per-page? | 23:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Khaytsus, you would have to use a different counter name on each page | 23:08 |
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| @rizen | you'd have to create a new counter name on every page | 23:08 |
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| Khaytsus | so "my counter" would be page-specific | 23:09 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 23:10 |
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| Khaytsus | Cool, that's easy enough. I'll try to put it in place this week, I'll hopefully figure out any other details via searches | 23:10 |
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| Khaytsus | (rather than asking you all more dumb questions) | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, by asking "dumb questions" you got a free macro and helped us to realize that the HTTP Proxy asset leaks cookie files. | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | Please keep asking! | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | Oh, and if you're willing, create a wiki page about the simple hit counter macro. | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | It might help other people out. | 23:11 |
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| Khaytsus | :) Sure, I'll be glad to do that. | 23:11 |
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| Khaytsus | bb, another meeting. Hopefully I have time to play with this a bit today, I haven't messed with WebGUI at this level in a while, but it's a fun system. | 23:13 |
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| Khaytsus | Hell of a lot easier to figure out than the old one where I never could remember which little node of something does what. | 23:13 |
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| perlDreamer | what was the old one? | 23:14 |
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| @rizen | here's one that autocreates counters for each page: | 23:15 |
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| @rizen | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m47421a97 | 23:15 |
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| @rizen | put that in your wiki page too | 23:16 |
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| perlDreamer | would passive profiling work for this? | 23:17 |
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| perlDreamer | of course, it's more complex than the macro | 23:17 |
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| @rizen | you probably could use passive profiling | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | honestly though, i haven't messed with passive profiling in several years, i don't even know how to use it | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | i should really build a nice gui around that system to make it more accessible to peeps | 23:20 |
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| perlDreamer | I think that subsystem might be down now anyway. Kristi has a bug posted against it. | 23:20 |
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| rizen_ | sorry, don't know what happened there | 23:23 |
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| perlDreamer | freenode is having problems | 23:23 |
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| @rizen | wtf | 23:23 |
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| perlDreamer | freenode is having problems | 23:24 |
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| @rizen | with me specifically? | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | what did i do to them | 23:25 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | You're associated with me | 23:25 |
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| Sara | Hi, I have a question about the macros | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | okay | 23:49 |
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| Sara | is there a macro that show the URL? | 23:49 |
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| Sara | The current url? | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | do you mean like ^PageUrl()? | 23:50 |
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| Sara | Let me se | 23:52 |
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| Khaytsus | rizen: Okay, I'm stumped on which table to insert the counter information into :) | 23:56 |
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| perlDreamer | there is a table called incrementer. | 23:56 |
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| Khaytsus | Oh snap | 23:56 |
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| perlDreamer | but the second version of the macro will handle that work for you. | 23:57 |
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| Sara | Tks, PerlDreamer | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | You're welcome, Sara. The wiki has good information about macros. http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki | 00:05 |
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| Khaytsus | Oh, I missed the second version, nice! :)) | 00:10 |
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| Khaytsus | Okay, one more thing.. I added it to the conf, but I am getting "^PageHitCounter;" in the asset as text, not the macro. | 00:44 |
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| @preaction | check the error log | 00:44 |
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| Khaytsus | I've triple-checked the macro reference in the conf, name, and in the macro. k | 00:44 |
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| Khaytsus | Undefined routine &WebGUI::Macro::PageHitCounter | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | er.. that can't be the whole error message | 00:47 |
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| Khaytsus | k | 00:47 |
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| Khaytsus | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m78e1f33f | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | there's most likely a syntax error in the macro code | 00:48 |
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| Khaytsus | I did fix a missing quote, but here's the code. | 00:49 |
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| Khaytsus | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m47421a97 | 00:49 |
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| Khaytsus | I fixed a missing quote in line 13, $db->write("insert into incrementer values (?,0)", [$name]); | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | eh, looks all right to me. dunno what the problem is | 00:52 |
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| Khaytsus | If I try to execute it with perl, it doe error but I can't figure out why.. | 00:52 |
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| Khaytsus | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m60365f0b | 00:52 |
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| Khaytsus | Doh, missing ) on the unless line | 00:54 |
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| Khaytsus | Works :) | 00:55 |
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| Khaytsus | Thanks everyone, I hope I wasn't too much trouble. I'll write up somethign on the wiki to document it, I've seen in the past requests for page counters, this is very simple and works well | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | keep in mind that the more pages you have the more your database will grow because it's keeping stats on this stuff. granted, that several hundred pages won't make a difference, but several hundred thousand will. | 01:02 |
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| Khaytsus | Nah, I bet I have <50 | 01:03 |
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| Khaytsus | BTW, I added a small tidbit.. added an optional argument which prepopulates if specified to that value | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | keep in mind that every post in a CS is potentially an additional page | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | and every wikipage, and every photo in the gallery, etc | 01:05 |
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| Khaytsus | So I can transfer my current hits into this new hit system | 01:07 |
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| Khaytsus | (sorry, was being queried on something... Should have closed my office door :) | 01:07 |
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| Khaytsus | So I should be smart about where I place the macros.. I'm actually placing them in the content on the page, not in the design.. yet, anyway | 01:07 |
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| Khaytsus | Would you say the best suggestion for using the macro is just to place it within each page, rather than in a template that would, as you say, potentially cause a hit for every asset within it? | 01:10 |
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| Khaytsus | (I'm probably wording that wrong) | 01:10 |
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| Khaytsus | Okay, bbiab, headed home. | 01:13 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Add a test that scans templates for International macros | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: and makes sure that their namespaces and labels resolve. | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6880 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (Friends.pm Asset_Event.pm): Fix broken labels in template macro calls. | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6881 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (2 files in 2 dirs): | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Fix a misspelling in the default calendar print event template. Bad International | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: macro call. | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6882 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm: fix a typo in the Asset::Template getList POD | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: colin * r6884 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_EventManagementSystem.pm: fix a typo in the EMS token instructions help | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6885 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fixed: More permissive DSN checking to allow use of SQLite (thanks pathma) | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6886 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.16/all_7.5_packages.wgpkg: created merged package file | 01:31 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: jt * r6887 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/ (upgrade_7.4.40-7.5.16.pl upgrade_7.5.5-7.5.6.pl): first cut of the beta to stable merge | 01:31 |
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| perlDreamer | wow, those were almost 7 hours ago | 01:32 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: frank * r6888 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed an issue which would sometimes cause pop ups to fail on the project display page. | 01:32 |
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| @rizen | Khaytsus i'd put it in the style, unless you only want the counter on specific pages | 01:33 |
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| elnino | hi all. SEO consultant causing problems again. | 02:24 |
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| elnino | is it correct that webgui's core is xhtml compliant? | 02:25 |
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| elnino | and is it true that IE doesn't recognize or support xhtml? | 02:25 |
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| elnino | if so, webgui is a bad product say our SEO consultant.. and because we pay her, she's right, right? who hired her anyway? | 02:26 |
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| elnino | grr. | 02:26 |
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| elnino | any advice? if not, thanks for listening. | 02:26 |
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| elnino | =) | 02:26 |
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| perlDreamer | It is true that wG's core is xhtml compliant. | 02:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I can't talk about IE, except anecdotally. And it sucks | 02:28 |
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| elnino | this really stinks. She's good. but I really have a hard time believing PPC will be penalized because we aren't "IE Tidy" | 02:34 |
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| Khaytsus | elnino: I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure xhtml does not mean the output is really that different than html. | 02:35 |
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| Khaytsus | To the end-user, xhtml and html are basically equivilent. | 02:35 |
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| perlDreamer | elnino, I know of an SEO expert who deals with WebGUI regularly. It will not prevent you from getting page rank. | 02:35 |
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| Khaytsus | xhtml adds some extra requirements, but I seriously doubt WebGUI "won't work" or render or what not on IE. | 02:35 |
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| perlDreamer | Would you like her name? | 02:35 |
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| elnino | I wouldn't mind bouncing ideas off of your SEO expert. | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | Her name is Tiffany Patterson. | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | Let me dig up a website/email address. | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | actually... | 02:36 |
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| elnino | that would be great. Thanks! | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | khenn, are you online? | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I believe this is her website: http://elitedesignsltd.com/ | 02:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll double check and post back tomorrow. | 02:38 |
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| @preaction | elnino, IE doesn't support XHTML as an XML dialect. I'll explain... | 02:58 |
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| @preaction | XML is another subset of SGML, like HTML is a subset of SGML | 02:58 |
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| @preaction | however, in XML, you are REQUIRED to close tags, it is REQUIRED that all tag and attribute names are lower-case, there are NO "boolean" tags (<input type="checkbox" checked>) | 02:59 |
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| @preaction | XML is designed to make SGML easier for computers to interpret | 02:59 |
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| elnino | got it so far. | 02:59 |
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| @preaction | HTML allows for so many truly evil things, like <p> (with no closing </p>), or <li> (no closing </li>) | 02:59 |
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| @preaction | so XHTML is the XML version of HTML | 03:00 |
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| @preaction | since XHTML is an XML dialect, it has a content-type (MIME) of "application/xhtml+xml" | 03:00 |
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| @preaction | not text/html (since it is not html) | 03:00 |
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| @preaction | sending a content-type of application/xhtml+xml to IE makes it fail | 03:00 |
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| @preaction | furthermore, sending that content-type to Firefox or some other browsers changes the behavior to make the browser verify the XML's well-formedness | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | so if the XHTML document is not well-formed (has bad syntax), an error is shown instead of the page | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | this is a Good Thing (tm) | 03:01 |
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| @preaction | so, since IE does not syntax check the XML, and does not accept the correct content-type, it can be said that IE is basically treating XHTML as weird-looking HTML | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | which is true | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | so, some die-hards distill this down to the non-techies that "IE does not support XHTML" | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | which, again, is true from a certain point of view | 03:02 |
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| @preaction | IE can use XHTML, can render XHTML, but it cannot say it fully-supports XHTML since it does not follow XML's rules (display an error page and do not try to render documents with syntax errors) | 03:03 |
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| @preaction | the die-hards (and i agree on this one) say that we shouldn't use XHTML because of this: When the switch is flipped, and XHTML starts getting sent as application/xhtml+xml, probably thousands of websites will break, and they will blame application/xhtml+xml or whatever browser is doing the well-formedness checks | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | when in fact the culprit is their shoddy website | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | Joel Spolsky did a good piece on the problems with web standards | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | which basically applies here: we should stop using the broken way of doing things (xhtml) and keep using the working way of doing things (html 4.01 strict) until such time as browsers support xhtml in the correct way | 03:05 |
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| @preaction | but, WebGUI gets a free ride here: We control what Content-type gets sent at all times, so if we wanted, we could send application/xhtml+xml to Mozilla-/Gecko-based browsers and text/html to Trident-based browsers (IE 6 and 7) | 03:06 |
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| @preaction | most likely we won't do that, since it's hacky and ugly and (as mentioned before) will probably break people's sites | 03:07 |
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| elnino | hmm. good. I'm going to re-read this a couple times and make it a wiki... =) Do you have a link to Joels Spolsky's article? | 03:12 |
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| @preaction | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html <- this one | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | it's about web standards as a whole | 03:13 |
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| @preaction | it doesn't directly address the application/xhtml+xml thing (since it's not really a thing that everyone knows) | 03:14 |
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| patspam | is the dev list playing up? | 03:42 |
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| patspam | I sent an email 17hrs ago that hasn't shown up yet | 03:42 |
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| @preaction | i think. we've been getting some pages from plainblack.com, i suspect things will be back to normal shortly | 03:42 |
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| patspam | ah ok. I'll give it some more time | 03:43 |
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| elnino | hey preaction... I noticed tha tmicrosoft's site is xhtml=transitional. That's will blow our SEO's mind... | 03:49 |
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| @preaction | not really. google still doesn't pass validation | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | these are problems, doing what they do is still not the right thing to do | 03:53 |
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| elnino | I know, but the fact that they are trying, and it still works in IE, and they have good rankings with google. Our SEO consultant was saying that our rankings will suffer. | 03:55 |
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| elnino | Joel's article is great! I appreciate you taking the time to explain this, and giving me the article. I think I understand this enough to talk intelligently and feel intelligent about it. | 03:57 |
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| elnino | out of curiousity, is webgui going to consider doing html 4.01 strict? | 03:57 |
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| @preaction | no. it would be impossible at the current stage | 03:58 |
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| @preaction | even as a switch it would be highly unlikely (the switch for it would have to be hacked in, and it would be extremely ugly) | 03:58 |
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| @preaction | there are a lot of WebGUI that generates markup (not just adds data to variables to be processed in templates) | 03:58 |
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| @preaction | the HTMLForm, TabForm, etc... | 03:58 |
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| @preaction | the form controls | 03:58 |
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| elnino | yeah, I saw all that stuff in the perl. That would be a mess to change. | 04:01 |
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| elnino | well, even if it isn't the "right" thing to do, I'm still ok using xhtml in webgui - there isn't any reason NOT to use it, as long as you know that when the appliation/xhtml+xml thing gets implmented, that when your site breaks, it's becuase you didn't validate and correct your site's code. I'll strive to make my site as closely xhtml compliant as possible. | 04:01 |
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| elnino | even tinymce strives to be xhtml compliant. So it would be hard do otherwise with anything using tinymce | 04:02 |
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| elnino | Just checking - it sounds like I understand, right? | 04:02 |
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| elnino | cause I feel somewhat intelligent about it now... =) | 04:03 |
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| +Radix-wrk | joel spotsky hits the nail on the head again in that article doesn't he :) | 04:13 |
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| @preaction | elnino, exactly. there's no good reason not to continue doing things in XHTML. there's a minor reason not to START doing things in XHTML 1.0 Strict (and that reason is waiting for XHTML 2.0 and the next generation of browsers) | 04:14 |
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| elnino | Thanks guys!! I hope you have a good night. I'll sum this up in a wiki..good info if people are concerned about xhtml (in webgui) and IE browsers like my seo consultant seems to be. | 04:27 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: Huge update of EMS Help and i18n. Old i18n and help have been | 04:38 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: templates still need their template variables documented. | 04:38 |
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| @preaction | i suspect i'll be writing a blog entry about it tonight or wednesday, since the staff blog has been woefully under-used | 04:39 |
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| elnino | hey preaction, is there a place I can change webgui to be xhtml transitional instead of strict? | 05:00 |
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| @preaction | your style template is what sets the doctype | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | webgui doesn't do anything with that. since it outputs xhtml strict, you can call it transitional if you want | 05:01 |
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| @preaction | (though the same is not true the other way around) | 05:01 |
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| elnino | I just found it as you just responded. Yep, understood - it just saves me a lot of editing. =) Thanks again! | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | all honesty, i'd still use "strict" | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | and if it's validated, that means essentially you would survive if your markup was passed through an XML filter (probably) | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | there are <![CDATA[ ... ]]> and such that are allowed in Strict but aren't allowed in XML | 05:06 |
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| @preaction | you don't even want to know how you'd have to escape Javascript and CSS in the XHTML files | 05:06 |
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| elnino | true... I'll work towards it, but to pacify my seo consultant. I have less errors this way. =) | 05:06 |
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| @preaction | ah, mais oui | 05:07 |
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| elnino_laptop | hey preaction: http://www.webdevout.net/articles/beware-of-xhtml is a interesting site. with quotes from developers from all sorts of browsers. And... apparantly xhtml 1.0 is completely incompatible with xhtml 2.0.. - just an interesting read for your free time. | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | yeah, been there. which is why you'll see me on the HTML 4.01 Strict side of the fence most days | 05:30 |
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| @preaction | but JT is TMRFE and as I mentioned before, "fixing" WebGUI is such a huge effort... | 05:30 |
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| @preaction | and for all real purposes, xhtml is just fine. for SEO purposes, it makes absolutely no difference | 05:31 |
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| @preaction | i won't go into how much snake-oil SEO really is once you get rid of "Conform to standards" and "Validate your markup" and "use Strict, not Transitional" and "Use Semantic Markup" and "Seperate content and presentation" and finally "Use JavaScript only by progressive enhancement" | 05:33 |
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| @preaction | i mean, we could discuss link farms and google pagerank, but if one uses those precepts one will find oneself prey to the people who find a way to close those loopholes | 05:34 |
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| elnino_laptop | true... Well. I'm really done for the night.. Truely... Have a good night. | 05:37 |
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| elnino_laptop | and if you hear from perldreamer, I found the consultant he recommended.. Thanks to him. | 05:38 |
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| topsub | is there any way to be able to add custom fields for products? Like meta data but i don't want it to show up globally | 17:41 |
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| BartJol | in c2 or c1? | 17:47 |
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| BartJol | I think you can add properties to vevery sku. | 17:48 |
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| BartJol | in the template you can decide whether or not to show it | 17:48 |
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| BartJol | but, I haven't tried it | 17:49 |
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| topsub | hmm | 17:52 |
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| topsub | BartJol, is there a setup for these properties or is it per product? | 17:52 |
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| BartJol | I think it is per product | 17:53 |
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| topsub | well wait.. i guess i could change the "add a feature" to what i need | 17:53 |
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| topsub | and be able to search for that | 17:53 |
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| BartJol | but if you use sku for very similar products, you need only 1 | 17:53 |
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| BartJol | ooh, searching... dunno about that | 17:53 |
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| topsub | hmm well let me restate i will need to be able to pull out of the database based on my custom field | 17:54 |
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| topsub | i will need to ad a date to each product | 17:55 |
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| BartJol | ok, so my option is useless (just affirmation) | 17:55 |
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| topsub | and want to use sql report to pull out the products based on the date | 17:55 |
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| BartJol | isn't that in the assetdata of a product? | 17:56 |
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| BartJol | so compare product with assetdata and grep the date from the assetData table | 17:56 |
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| BartJol | oh, that's the date created | 17:57 |
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| BartJol | sorry | 17:57 |
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| topsub | ya... good thought tho | 17:57 |
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| BartJol | almost a good idea... | 17:57 |
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| topsub | lol ya | 17:57 |
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| topsub | had an idea could i embed it in the variant | 17:57 |
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| topsub | to say this product is a webshow and from your variants you can select what dates you want to go to | 17:57 |
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| @preaction | topsub, your best bet probably would be to make a subclass of Product and add your properties to its definition | 17:58 |
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| @preaction | or... are you looking for the Event Management System? | 17:58 |
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| topsub | we don't want to have to add a badge to buy a ticket | 17:58 |
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| topsub | is what we are trying to avoid | 17:58 |
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| BartJol | well, if you make all variants with adjusted date parameters, maybe you can sort by a param.type.value tmpl_var, or am I thinking to simple | 18:00 |
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| BartJol | ? | 18:00 |
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| topsub | I am looking to use sql report to pull out these products based on the dates | 18:02 |
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| BartJol | wel if you add a feature, it is stored in Product_feature | 18:03 |
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| BartJol | these tables are avaiable, just (ab)use them for your goal: | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | Product_accessory | | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | | Product_benefit | | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | | Product_feature | | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | | Product_related | | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | | Product_specification | 18:04 |
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| BartJol | those you can search with a sqlreport | 18:04 |
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| topsub | that might be a possible solution | 18:05 |
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| BartJol | I am not as dumb as I look :) | 18:05 |
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| topsub | lol never passed judgement | 18:08 |
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| topsub | so i will now write a sql report to pull based on features and then just link them back to the product.. think that will work | 18:12 |
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| BartJol | it's worth an attempt | 18:13 |
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| topsub | Seems like it will work.. thanks BartJol | 18:13 |
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| BartJol | good luck! | 18:13 |
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| juan | i hava a site with many assets and in all of them we have path with absolute urls. now we need to change that domain. Have to edit each asset to change the url or what can i do? | 18:40 |
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| perlDreamer | juan: changing the domain (sitename) should not matter unless you hard-coded it into the content. | 18:42 |
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| juan | this is the problem | 18:43 |
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| perlDreamer | So, in the content you put the sitename in URLs? | 18:44 |
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| juan | yes | 18:44 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, you have a problem :) | 18:44 |
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| perlDreamer | It will need to be changed by hand, or you could try to write a small perl script to go through the database to change it. | 18:44 |
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| perlDreamer | In the future, you should consider using a macro to hold the sitename for you. | 18:45 |
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| perlDreamer | either ^u; for the company URL, or ^/; for the gateway URL. | 18:45 |
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| perlDreamer | then WebGUI will handle the site name for you and your content will be more portable. | 18:46 |
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| BartJol | eeh perlDreamer, I fould another i18n thingy | 18:47 |
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| BartJol | have fun with it :) | 18:47 |
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| perlDreamer | oy, that's my code, too | 18:48 |
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| * perlDreamer is shamed | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | It's hard to blush on IRC | 18:48 |
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| BartJol | whoahhaha | 18:48 |
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| BartJol | evil laughs are easier | 18:48 |
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| BartJol | but gotta go, I'm hungry and were going out for dinner woth procolix | 18:48 |
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| juan | do you know what tables need to be changed? | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | juan, what assets do you have on your site? | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | table wobject, field description will get many of them. | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | But you also need Post, Snippet, maybe Template and so on. | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | It might be easier to do it by hand through the interface, rather than a script. | 18:50 |
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| juan | ok | 18:50 |
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| juan | i am going to change by hand | 18:50 |
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| perlDreamer | how many pages are there? | 18:51 |
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| juan | around 100 pages | 18:52 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: would it help if I started using UTF-8 in some of the tests? | 21:56 |
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| @Haarg | it would be good to have some tests for utf8 stuff, yeah | 21:57 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll start reading up on it, then. All I know now is "\x{dddd}". | 21:58 |
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| elnino | hey perldreamer, found Tiffany. We'll be talking SEO stuff tomorrow. Thanks for the lead!! | 22:05 |
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| perlDreamer | You're welcome. | 22:05 |
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| perlDreamer | I know the SEO consultant has been giving you problems for quite a while. | 22:05 |
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| elnino | Well, she know her stuff, and like everyone else, everyone is going to be an expert in something, and not-so-much-of-an-expert in other areas. And that's where it's dangereous. I'm learning how important it is to identify common ground and go from there. A difficult lesson for me. | 22:08 |
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| topsub | Alright it seems i just packaged up a thingy and imported it on our dev box ( save version as my sandbox ) and everything imported but the data in the databases didn't. Any suggestions? | 22:13 |
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| perlDreamer | look in the Thingy code to see if that's supposed to work. | 22:13 |
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| @preaction | there's a way to export the data, i'm pretty sure the package is just supposed to be the schema, with no data inside | 22:14 |
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| topsub | hmm, any document on how exporting data can be done? | 22:14 |
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| perlDreamer | AssetPackage.pm | 22:15 |
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| @preaction | it should be a link | 22:15 |
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| @preaction | or maybe it's only per-Thing that you can export, i don't know | 22:15 |
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| @preaction | the discussion was here, but i don't remember it | 22:15 |
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| topsub | hmm looking now | 22:16 |
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| perlDreamer | In the search screen, if you're in the exportGroup, it will give you a link | 22:16 |
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| perlDreamer | also assumes that the template uses the export_url template variable | 22:17 |
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| topsub | i am on the beta now looking | 22:17 |
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| topsub | hmm on the search page i see import can't see export yet. let me make sure this template has the variable | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | You might actually have to do a search, as well. | 22:23 |
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| topsub | wow | 22:23 |
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| topsub | thats it | 22:23 |
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| topsub | have to search for what you want | 22:23 |
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| topsub | then export the data | 22:23 |
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| topsub | thats kinda busted | 22:23 |
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| topsub | not what i was expecting | 22:24 |
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| perlDreamer | I agree. It suxors. | 22:24 |
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| topsub | nice call perlDreamer | 22:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Just write a patch that fixes it in a reasonable way and RFE it. | 22:24 |
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| topsub | u act like i have all this time on my hand.. lol | 22:24 |
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| topsub | trying to transfer this site from my sandbox to dev server and bam no data.. | 22:25 |
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| @preaction | it would probably be easier to transfer database dumps | 22:26 |
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| perlDreamer | topsub, after 6 years of using and developing wG, I have found the fastest way to get what you want is to do it yourself. | 22:28 |
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| perlDreamer | No one else has your priorities. | 22:28 |
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| topsub | i agree, just don't have the time on this project to do that | 22:31 |
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| @preaction | would it be evil of me to use an i18n value to test if a certain button is clicked? | 23:53 |
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| @preaction | so if ( $form->get('action') eq $i18n->get( 'delete' ) ) { ... } | 23:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't think it would be evil. | 23:54 |
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| perlDreamer | Just so long as it doesn't end up looking like Calendar www_view | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | if IE6 supported the <button> element properly, i wouldn't be asking this... :p | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | i'm trying to avoid using JS, is why | 23:55 |
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| @Haarg | what would <button> allow you to do? | 23:55 |
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| perlDreamer | and why avoid JS? | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | button allows me to set value="" and have a different label inside of it | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | <button name="action" value="cut">Cutez</button> | 23:56 |
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| @preaction | IE6 uses the contents of the button as the value though | 23:56 |
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| @preaction | but <input type="submit" name="action" value="Cutez" /> <- Cutez is the value and the label | 23:56 |
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| @Haarg | what about using a different name? | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | sigh... always coming up with a valid solution that invalidates my entire problem... | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | i mean, sounds good | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | don't know why i didn't remember that, did the same thing for the GalleryAlbum www_edit buttons... | 23:58 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: graham * r6905 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:10 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: fixed: Asset Manager shows data error when no child assets to display | 00:10 |
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| CIA-6 | WebGUI: changed: show 25 items per page in asset manager | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | we're releasing .16 this week, right? | 00:12 |
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| @Haarg | yes | 00:13 |
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| @preaction | Haarg, about the changing the default page size: my idea was to try to keep the asset manager inside the browser window, so that people wouldn't ahve to scroll to click on the pagination links | 00:14 |
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| perlDreamer | so to fix the DataTable data error problem, all you have to do is pass it a valid but empty data set? | 00:14 |
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| @preaction | my eventual goal would be to make the New Content, Clipboard, and Packages things fly-out menus, as well | 00:14 |
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| @Haarg | it made it really annoying to navigate imo. jt had already tried to change it to 25, but apparently the setting in the perl module is ignored. | 00:16 |
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| @preaction | yeah, it's in the JS | 00:16 |
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| @Haarg | the array of assets was being autovivicated. just making sure it always existed fixed the issue, and it reports there are no items. | 00:16 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll have to remember that when I rework the Tax screen in the Shop. | |
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