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00:39 <+snapcount> argh... why is mysql replication so freaking cumbersome
00:39 <@rizen> remove mysql
00:39 <@rizen> replication is cumbersome
00:40 <+snapcount> heh... I guess that is a better way to put it
00:40 <+snapcount> I've never worked with repl on another rdbms before
00:40 <@rizen> i meant remove it from the sentence
00:41 <+snapcount> so it could be equally crappy on all platforms
00:41 <@rizen> not your server
00:41 <+snapcount> lol
00:41 <+snapcount> "but you said to remove mysql"
00:41 <@rizen> i've used it on oracle, mysql, and sybase
00:41 <@rizen> mysql is the easiest to set up, but has the fewest options out of the ones i've used
00:42 <@rizen> you need a special degree in oracle in order to set up replication in oracle
00:42 <+perlDreamer> snapcount, he means s/mysql //; #all replication is freaking cumbersome
00:43 < Samus_Aran> can someone point me in the direction for updating the logout/login part.  I have a styled login form that I want to appear once the person logs out
00:46 <+snapcount> perlDreamer: indeed =)
00:46 < Samus_Aran> figured it out. 
00:48 <+perlDreamer> Samus_Aran: when a person logs out returns you to the page that you were looking at (if you have permission)
00:48 <+perlDreamer> it doesn't show you a custom relogin form
00:48 <+perlDreamer> so all you can do is style the generic login form
00:51 < Samus_Aran> I found on the Wikie: ^LoginToggle("Click here to log in.","Click here to log out.","/url/to/your/template");
00:51 < Samus_Aran> which seems to be what I want
00:52 < Samus_Aran> that is, if /url/to/your/template contains HTML for the login form.  if not, I'm still lost
00:54 <+perlDreamer> Samus_Aran: I'd suggest the L_loginBox macro instead
00:54 <+perlDreamer> but either may do the trick
00:54 < Samus_Aran> which only appears when they are not logged in?
00:55 < Samus_Aran> maybe I will just keep the login form always visible, as I sometimes change users 
00:55 <+perlDreamer> l_loginBox: If they are logged in, it shows them a link to their account.  If logged out, it shows them a login box for username/passwd
00:55 <+perlDreamer> LoginToggle: show them text 1 with login if logged out, text 2 with logout if logged in
00:56 <+perlDreamer> but you can build more sophisticated stuff as well
00:59 <+snapcount> rsync freaking rules
01:06 < CIA-5> WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons
01:09 <+snapcount> does anyone know what is being used to announce svn commits in IRC?
01:10 <+snapcount> that is really cool... is it a one off or out there on the interwebs?
01:10 <+snapcount> preaction: is this a custom perlbot you wrote?
01:11 <@preaction> no, see http://cia.vc
01:11 <+snapcount> sweet... thanks man
01:24 < Samus_Aran> snapcount: rsync is great :)
01:25 < Samus_Aran> along with a small script to dump databases, it is very handy for offsite backups
01:26 <+snapcount> it's good for repairing replication when it breaks so you don't have to copy entire snapshots of the dbs
01:26 <+snapcount> esp when the db is like 20GB
01:27 <+snapcount> much faster
01:27 < Samus_Aran> well, these are teeny databases, hehe.  just a few MB
01:27 < Samus_Aran> haven't had to deal with huge ones yet
01:27 <+snapcount> I'm new to it as well
01:27 <+snapcount> we have one now that is appx 750 million rows
01:27 < Samus_Aran> what is in it?
01:27 <+snapcount> people data
01:28 < Samus_Aran> user accounts for a web site ?
01:28 <+snapcount> criminal records, phone book type stuff, real estate transactions, etc
01:28 <+snapcount> professional records
01:28 <+snapcount> judgements, bankruptcies, lienss
01:28 <+snapcount> all kinds of crap
01:29 <+snapcount> not users in a website
01:30 <+snapcount> this is more like all the people in the united states
01:30 <+snapcount> and puerto rico I think
01:32 <+snapcount> thankfully we don't replicate that data =)
01:32 <+snapcount> that would be interesting to say the least
01:32 < CIA-5> WebGUI: jt * r6283 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): added coupons
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01:39 < Samus_Aran> snapcount: what type of hard drive do you have to drive it, and how much RAM ?
01:40 < Samus_Aran> presumably a fast RAID array
01:40 < Samus_Aran> and too many GB of RAM
01:41 <+snapcount> That data is on a RAID 1, SAS 300GB 15K RPM
01:41 <+snapcount> 32GB of memory and dual quad core 2.0 GHz xeons
01:42 < Samus_Aran> it is remarkable how cheap servers are now than a few years ago
01:42 <+snapcount> for sure
01:42 < Samus_Aran> million dollar servers are now available for a few thousand
01:42 < Samus_Aran> kind of scary.
01:42 <+snapcount> that box I think cost me like 5 or 6K
01:42 <+snapcount> but we buy a lot of servers and get a fat discount
01:43 < Samus_Aran> discounts are always nice
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01:45 <+snapcount> I tell you what really impresses me is MySQL cluster
01:45 <+snapcount> if they could make it work with complex selects it would solve world hunger =D
01:46 <@apeiron> heh, http://www.oreillynet.com/onlamp/blog/2008/04/the_mysql_appliance.html
01:46 <@apeiron> ^^ that's impressive
01:46 <+snapcount> it is soooo fast and fault tolerant
01:46 <+snapcount> we have a four node setup that handles all of our AAA
01:47 <+snapcount> apeiron: I saw that at the conference a few weeks ago
01:47 <+snapcount> it is impressive but pricey
01:47 <+snapcount> I think bottom floor is like 25K and tops out around $200K
01:48 <+snapcount> but the architecture of using an "SQL Chip" is pretty cool
01:50 <+snapcount> The guy told me they won't be available until late fall
01:50 <+snapcount> but it sucks that they won't sell you the chip only
01:50 <@apeiron> Yeah, 10/14/2008 according to that site.
01:50 <@apeiron> indeed. I'd like to frob it with different DBs.
01:50 <+snapcount> you have to buy the appliance which is just a COTS server with a PCI-X card containing that chip
01:50 <+snapcount> and a diff storage engine for mysql
01:51 <+snapcount> who knows... maybe that will come someday =)
01:55 <+snapcount> finally got replication back up on this box
01:55 <+snapcount> what a PITA
01:57 < CIA-5> WebGUI: jt * r6284 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (7 files in 4 dirs): added missing help files
01:59 <+perlDreamer> rizenisaway: You big stud!
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02:20 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6285 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Product.pm: point Product Asset help to Sku help instead of wobject
02:20 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6286 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): more product variants work, i18n, forms and upgrade script
02:25 < Samus_Aran> once SSD are cheaper and faster, it will effortlessly beat out 15K drives
02:25 < Samus_Aran> it has the potential to be many times faster than any current disks
02:26 < Samus_Aran> and as a bonus is smaller and uses less electricity
02:26 <+perlDreamer> there was a slashdot article saying that now, performance wise, they're much slower than mechanical drives
02:26 < Samus_Aran> currently they just plug into SATA slots and are not economical or particularly efficient
02:27 < Samus_Aran> but it is still the first generation
02:27 < Samus_Aran> I don't think platter drives will be used within 4-5 years
02:28 < Samus_Aran> they will also be cheaper to produce once the manufacturing is behind it
02:28 < Samus_Aran> oh, and great for databases, random access with the same seek time
02:29 < Samus_Aran> I'm about to build a 5.4 TiB array at home (9x SATA 750GB disks).  perhaps by the time that is bursting at the seams, SSD will be cheap =)
02:31 < Samus_Aran> I haven't heard anything about heat, but I imagine SSD are very cool compared to platter disks.  you can heat a house with regular hard drives
02:31 <+perlDreamer> too bad you can't cool them :)
02:32 <+snapcount> my macbook air has the SSD
02:32 <+snapcount> it is a bit slower
02:33 <+snapcount> but the battery lasts for like 4.5 - 5 hrs
02:33 <+snapcount> it's really good at random writes but the mech drives blow it away on sequential writes
02:33 <+snapcount> which makes sense I think
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02:52 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6287 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): begin migrating Product data into variants
02:55 < Samus_Aran> battery efficiency, speed and storage capacity are going to skyrocket with SSD
02:56 < Samus_Aran> does anyone know how I can duplicate a template so that I can paste in my custom made code ?
02:56 < Samus_Aran> if I go to assets and select a template and do duplicate, it doesn't duplicate the template
02:56 < Samus_Aran> it just creates an empty folder
02:56 < Samus_Aran> not sure how to copy as well the content in it
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04:04 < Samus_Aran> duplicated the template manually, and now it won't let me apply anything to a whole branch... hum
04:05 < Samus_Aran> one question: is there a way without Apache mod_rewrite to make the top of the web site not have a name ?
04:05 < Samus_Aran> for example "home" shows up as http://www.foo.com/home
04:05 < Samus_Aran> but it also shows up as http://www.foo.com/
04:06 < Samus_Aran> which is bad for search engines and caching
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04:15 <+Radix-wrk> sounds like spectre is the cause then
04:15 <+Radix-wrk> spectre shouldn't be timing out
04:15 <+Radix-wrk> check your spectre.conf file for typos, invalid domain names, etc
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04:16 < DX^> I want to start a circuit schematic archive, so I want the ability to categorize a bunch of content, but I also want it to have tags and comments, so users can add info and search, can I do this with WebGUI?
04:17 <+Radix-wrk> the wiki has tags, and you can add pages, search, etc
04:17 <+Radix-wrk> it doesn't have the concept of comments though
04:17 < Samus_Aran> Radix-wrk: I restarted Apache earlier, then restarted spectre, I haven't changed anything since last time it was started a few weeks ago, hm
04:17 <@apeiron> No comments in non-CS content, anyway.
04:17 <@apeiron> And I think the Gallery has comemnts.
04:18 <@apeiron> But they're simple enough to add.
04:18 <+Radix-wrk> gallery/cs might be your best bet
04:18 <+Radix-wrk> new gallery in 7.5 has tags too doesn't it?
04:18 <@apeiron> hrmmm
04:19 <@apeiron> Not sure, haven't used it much.
04:19 <+Radix-wrk> I'm pretty sure it does
04:19 < DX^> What is CS?
04:19 <@apeiron> Collaboration System.
04:19 < DX^> ah
04:19 <@apeiron> The guy who wrote it isn't here at the moment.
04:19 <@apeiron> (the gallery)
04:19 < DX^> webgui has all this?
04:19 <+Radix-wrk> DX^: Collaboration System - the Gallery is a rewrite of it essentially
04:20 < Samus_Aran> ADMIN: Fetching site data for foo.com.conf
04:20 <+Radix-wrk> these are just a couple of the wobjects available
04:20 < Samus_Aran> ADMIN: [Error] Couldn't connect to WebGUI site foo.com.conf at http://foo.com:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 read timeout
04:20 < Samus_Aran> that's all I get
04:20 < Samus_Aran> then it resumes what looks like normal working 
04:20 < Samus_Aran> no more errors
04:20 < Samus_Aran> (using --debug --run)
04:21 < Samus_Aran> should spectre be started before or after Apache ?
04:21 < Samus_Aran> I forget
04:21 <+Radix-wrk> after
04:21 < Samus_Aran> that's what I thought, and what I did.  I guess I'll go dig around in the log files to see if there's anything more helpful
04:22 <@apeiron> Samus_Aran, If you're using the WRE, try the 'all' target.
04:22 <@apeiron> e.g. /data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --restart all
04:22 <+Radix-wrk> check the dns resolution for foo.com
04:22 < Samus_Aran> apeiron: manual install via the guide, on an Ubuntu system
04:23 <+Radix-wrk> Also check that the foo.com.conf has specified the right ip block for the spectre
04:23 < Samus_Aran> Radix-wrk: I can get to the site and do all the admin stuff without any apparent issues, except a single lock on the home page item that I need to apply a theme to the whole site
04:23 < Samus_Aran> I can apply versions fine
04:23 < Samus_Aran> I mean commit
04:23 <+Radix-wrk> hmm..
04:24 <+Radix-wrk> so you can commit other things and they go through?
04:24 <+Radix-wrk> might just be a stuck workflow then
04:24 < Samus_Aran> I had issues with spectre before, but those were stopping everything
04:24 <+Radix-wrk> go to workflows and run it manually perhaps
04:25 < DX^> Can someone show me a web site using the collaboration system
04:25 < Samus_Aran> I tried going to the URL the --debug gave me, and it eventually pops up a download window, but after a long time
04:25 < Samus_Aran> perhaps the timeout is set too low
04:25 < Samus_Aran> but I don't know why it would take a long time, the server is pretty fast
04:25 < Samus_Aran> it says file type is text/json
04:25 <+Radix-wrk> DX^: the collaboration system is incredibly flexible.. you can template it to do anything really.  forums, photo galleries, flash video galleries, etc
04:25 < Samus_Aran> pops up after about 60-90 seconds
04:27 <+Radix-wrk> DX^: The collaboration system is probably the most flexible object in webgui imho - and any example we showed you would have the limitations imposed by the template used really.
04:28 <+Radix-wrk> I have a flash video template I use for flash movies on our website - http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos
04:28 < Samus_Aran> clicking on "Show running workflows" is lagging as well, though it isn't appearing even after 2+ minutes
04:29 < DX^> So I can let people add stuff to this?
04:29 < DX^> this seems way too complicated
04:29 < DX^> I don't want to roll my own, hah
04:30 <+Radix-wrk> it's not particularly complicated if you use an existing template
04:30 < Samus_Aran> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm line 19.
04:31 < Samus_Aran> line 19 is "use Template;"
04:31 <@apeiron> Samus_Aran, There'll probably be something before that line which explains the error.
04:31 <@apeiron> e.g., "Can't find Template.pm in @INC [...]"
04:32 < Samus_Aran> Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm in @INC
04:32 <@apeiron> uh huh.
04:32 <@apeiron> Samus_Aran, This site worked before?
04:32 < Samus_Aran> yes, was working fine the past several weeks
04:33 <@apeiron> Looks like your environment isn't set up properly. Using the same perl and such?
04:33 < Samus_Aran> same GNU Screen session with same environment variables
04:33 < Samus_Aran> Apache was updated by Ubuntu somewhere along the line I think
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04:34 <@apeiron> hm. If Apache was updated, did it replace the config?
04:34 <@apeiron> What about modperl?
04:34 < Samus_Aran> @INC conta
04:34 < Samus_Aran> ins: /var/www/WebGUI/lib
04:34 < Samus_Aran> I can't remember if mod_perl was updated.  I run an update every day or two on the server
04:35 < Samus_Aran> the directory contains only WebGUI.pm.  does the Perl @INC also read sub-directories ?
04:35 <@apeiron> If the package name is appropriate.
04:36 <@apeiron> e.g. if you want WebGUI::Session it'll look in /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI for Session.pm
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04:36 < Samus_Aran> there are five Template .pm files in the sub directories
04:37 < Samus_Aran> /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm
04:37 <@apeiron> Yes, they're all below /var/www/WebGUI/lib yes?
04:37 <@apeiron> That means that they're all WebGUI:: packages.
04:37 < Samus_Aran> oh wait, that was the package that tried to load Template.pm
04:37 <@apeiron> Yes.
04:37 <@apeiron> Template.pm is a separate, non-WebGUI module.
04:38 < Samus_Aran> Oh, I see.  confused me with so many Template.pm files in the WebGUI dir.  I will confirm it is installed and up-to-date and all that
04:38 <@apeiron> It has to be, if you've been running WebGUI before.
04:39 <@apeiron> The fact that it's suddenly missing makes me think that either it was uninstalled by one of those updates of yours or some environment variable got broken somehow.
04:40 < Samus_Aran> I will search the hard drive for Template.pm to see where it is
04:41 < Samus_Aran> I ran the perl script to check the environment, and it only checks for HTML::Template:
04:41 < Samus_Aran> is that the Template.pm ?
04:41 < Samus_Aran> and it was installed according to the script
04:42 <@apeiron> That's a different module.
04:42 < Samus_Aran> testEnvironment.pl doesn't check for anything else with Template in it
04:43 < Samus_Aran> installing Template Toolkit Version 2.19 manually
04:43 < Samus_Aran> cpan install Template
04:43 <@apeiron> Don't do that, you'll pull in junoscript.
04:44 <@apeiron> (bit of a bug in the cpan command utility)
04:44 <@apeiron> just run: cpan Template
04:44 <@apeiron> Better, why not use a vendor package?
04:45 < Samus_Aran> you mean apt-get install somethingorother ?
04:45 <@apeiron> Yes.
04:46 < Samus_Aran> I followed the instructions originally from the site, perhaps Ubuntu updated the module and broke things
04:47 < Samus_Aran> it's installing them now
04:47  * Samus_Aran crosses fingers
04:47  * Samus_Aran goes to microwave a burrito...
04:56 < Samus_Aran> different error now: Can't locate Time/Format.pm in @INC
04:57 < Samus_Aran> strange that all the modules were fine before, now they're all bungled up
04:57 <@apeiron> Could be that one of your upgrades broke things.
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05:02 < Samus_Aran> no more errors in the Apache log, but Spectre still gets: Response: 500 read timeout
05:02 < Samus_Aran> will check webgui log
05:03 < Samus_Aran> not completely sure what this means from the debug output of Spectre:
05:03 < Samus_Aran> WORKFLOW: Checking to see if we can run anymore instances right now.
05:03 < Samus_Aran> WORKFLOW: There are 0 running instances.
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05:03 < Samus_Aran> does that mean Spectre isn't running, or just that there are no workflows ?
05:04 <@apeiron> If spectre's not running, there can't be any workflows queued.
05:05 <@apeiron> Are you sure spectre's running?
05:07 < Samus_Aran> I am watching it in debug mode, yes
05:07 < Samus_Aran> okay, the webgui log explains the error as:
05:08 < Samus_Aran> Root cause: Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /var/www/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/Spectre.pm line 72.
05:08 < Samus_Aran> which is: next unless $instance->getWorkflow->get("enabled");
05:09 <@apeiron> So $instance->getWorkflow is returning undef.
05:09 < Samus_Aran> maybe I should just update to .25
05:09 < Samus_Aran> *35
05:09  * Samus_Aran notices the topic says .32
05:09 < Samus_Aran> the testEnvironment told me .35 was available
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05:09 <@apeiron> no it doesn't
05:10 <@apeiron> <.<
05:10 < Samus_Aran> hehe
05:10 < Samus_Aran> my mistake
05:10 <@apeiron> No worries, easy mistake to make.
05:10 < Samus_Aran> oh great, now I'm 9 versions behind :p
05:11 < Samus_Aran> will try the update and hopefully this gremlin will take a hike
05:11 <@apeiron> Honestly, first thing I'd try is simply restarting the whole shebang. May not help but I dunno.
05:12 < Samus_Aran> the kernel has probably been updated along the line, though that doesn't usually affect things
05:12 < Samus_Aran> except when the old kernel modules are removed
05:13 < Samus_Aran> it has only been on for 14 days.. the Ubuntu is stupidly running in a VMware Player virtual machine on Windows 2003
05:13 < Samus_Aran> had to do a Windows Update
05:14 < Samus_Aran> I've been given the go ahead to scrap Win2K3 and put Ubuntu straight on the server, but haven't had any time
05:14 <@apeiron> If you're going that route, maybe you should try the WRE?
05:14 < Samus_Aran> there are lots of other web sites and databases running
05:15 <@apeiron> On the Ubuntu VM?
05:15 < Samus_Aran> plus I like security updates to be quick and easy
05:15 < Samus_Aran> yes
05:15 <@apeiron> ah.
05:15 < Samus_Aran> it's quite silly, nothing on Win2K3 is even being used.  the previous tech just sort of patched anything together
05:15 < Samus_Aran> the network was a complete mess, too
05:15 <@apeiron> You could set up Apache's mod_proxy to proxy to the other sites or host them outright, and set up the DB to be shared.
05:16 < Samus_Aran> nothing labelled
05:16 < Samus_Aran> once it isn't in the VM, it will help, as all the RAM will go to the VM.  right now it is limiting it to half
05:16 < Samus_Aran> oh, I checked, only 1/4
05:16 < Samus_Aran> 512MB instead of 2GB
05:16 <@apeiron> Hello, swap city!
05:17 < Samus_Aran> it's also a rack mount server.... sitting on a wooden shelf
05:17 <@apeiron> wood? heh
05:17 < Samus_Aran> they didn't even want to buy a locking metal cabinet with air vents
05:18 < Samus_Aran> anyway, thank you for your help
05:18 < Samus_Aran> I will get back to you after I've done the update if the gremlin lives on
05:18 <@apeiron> no worries, hope things go well for you.
05:18 <@apeiron> I might be in bed by that time, heh
05:18 < Samus_Aran> it will be another day, my brain has melted and it's time for me to go home
05:18 <@apeiron> night night, then.
05:18 < Samus_Aran> goodnight.  *wanders off in the direction of home*
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07:29 < Samus_Aran> be back tomorrow =)
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09:09 < patspam> hi guys, just wondering what the status of Survey 2.0 is? couldn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta
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16:32 < ckotil> If i have a group that can read and edit an asset can i limit access to edit by leaving a user out of the turn admin on group?
16:34 < BartJol> I don't think so...
16:34 < BartJol> the canEdit boolean will be true
16:34 < ckotil> bc if a user cant utrn on admin mode, how will they ever edit an asset?
16:36 < BartJol> trying it
16:36 < ckotil> cool, thanks.
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16:37 < BartJol> ah, indeed
16:37 < ckotil> works?
16:37 < ckotil> nice. this will make my group structure much simpler and easier to manage
16:37 < BartJol> they can't directly
16:38 < BartJol> testing wehether they can do it by a fuvction in the url
16:38 < ckotil> ya i was thinking that.
16:38 < ckotil> ?func=edit
16:39 < BartJol> ah, they can edit, but don't see the edit button
16:39 < ckotil> ok
16:39 < ckotil> thats very good to know. thank you BartJol 
16:41 < BartJol> well it's a free day
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16:41 < BartJol> and it's good for me to know to
16:48 < BartJol> ckotil it's the <tmpl_if showAdmin> variable
16:48 < ckotil> gotcha.
16:48 < BartJol> fror pages
16:49 < BartJol> and 
16:49 < BartJol> <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn for other assets
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16:56 < BartJol> morning
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17:02 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:18 <@rizen> I'm thinking that we have to many people from Holland coming to the WUC.
17:18 < BartJol> why?
17:18 <@rizen> And maybe we, as Americans, should stage an uprising and not let them into our country.
17:18 <@rizen> They may invade and try to take us over.
17:18 <@rizen> =)
17:19 < dionak> and make us drink massive amounts of beer?
17:19 < BartJol> so you finally discovered our plans
17:19 < dionak> sounds scary
17:19 <@rizen> exactly dionak
17:20 <@rizen> We still love you Bart
17:20 <@rizen> =)
17:20 < BartJol> well than you just have to feed us beer, and pretend that you're drinking too
17:20 < dionak> lol
17:20 < BartJol> thanks
17:21 < BartJol> today it's national hangover day here
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17:29 < CIA-5> WebGUI: jt * r6288 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
17:29 < CIA-5> WebGUI: - rfe: subscribe entire user group to a collaboration message board
17:29 < CIA-5> WebGUI: - Added show in forms and is editable properties to group manager.
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17:50 < knowmad> And all's quiet....
17:50 < tavisto> yes it is. heh
17:50 < knowmad> Time for a question!
17:50 < tavisto> I have a question for whoever wants it.
17:50 < knowmad> Shoot
17:51 < BartJol> only thing that happened that JT was expression his fears for dutch people
17:51 < BartJol> but go ahead with the question
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17:52 < tavisto> hah, okay.  Has anyone tried using the permissions tab on the settings screen? I created a new user group called "reports" and set the Transactions permissions to that group. However, I tried accessing transactions with a user in that group and it says I dont have the permissions
17:53 < tavisto> I tried to do it directly through the ?op=listTransactions and it comes back with the permissions error
17:53 < BartJol> so that's the commerce system?
17:53 < aknowmad> i haven't tried it
17:54 < tavisto> yeah that's the transactions in WebGUI's commerce system
17:54 < tavisto> but from what I can tell those permissions aren't working
17:55 < aknowmad> 7.5 or 7.4?
17:55 < BartJol> maybe those people should also be in the turn admin on group
17:55 < tavisto> this is latest beta
17:55 < tavisto> yeah I'm just afraid they would mess stuff up :)
17:56 <@preaction> they should only have to be in the correct group
17:56 <@preaction> shouldn't also have to be in Turn Admin On
17:56 < tavisto> yeah, that's what I thought.. I thought you could basically setup ANY regular user group to be able to do those specific functions
17:57 < aknowmad> I've got an SQL question -- what comes back from an unconditional_read request? api docs say it's a result set statement handle. how do I use that to get at the data returned from a SELECT query?
17:58 < BartJol> so your statement is SELECT * from table;?
18:02 < BartJol> oh sorry, misunderstood
18:08 < BartJol> that's a bit too deep for me
18:12 <@preaction> aknowmad, see WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet. something as simple as while ( my $row = $sth->hash ) { ... }
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18:13 < aknowmad> are you referring to api docs or the code?
18:14 < aknowmad> is it a true DBI sth? can I call methods like fetchall_hashref with it?
18:15 <@preaction> not that i know of
18:15 <@preaction> but check the API docs
18:16 < aknowmad> ok, i don't see that method in there so assume it's not availabe
18:16 <@preaction> i don't think it's a subclass, but... if you wanted fetchall_arrayref why are you using $db->read instead of $db->buildArrayRefOfHashRefs
18:16 < aknowmad> i guess it's not a DBI sth
18:17 < aknowmad> ahh, because i didn't know that method was available.... I'm still learning the ins and outs of wG's db workings
18:17 < aknowmad> which brings up another question--when do you recommend using read vs. unconditional_red?
18:17 < aknowmad> s/red/read/
18:20 < aknowmad> also, are these methods essentially helpers that perform prepare and execute in one fell swoop?
18:20 <@preaction> unconditional read is, if i'm not mistaken, "don't error if the statement fails"
18:21 < aknowmad> yes, that's what the docs tell me
18:21 < aknowmad> but i'm wondering what the use case is for this method
18:21 <@preaction> yes, they're essentially helpers that call prepare, execute, and fetch all at once
18:21 <@preaction> when you don't want an error in the read to kill the rest of the process? i dunno, i've never used it
18:21 < aknowmad> that's what i was wondering
18:22 < aknowmad> my thinking is it's not something to use lightly
18:22 < aknowmad> unconditional_read, that is
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18:23 < aknowmad> ok, thanks for the insights preaction
18:23 < aknowmad> morning perlDreamer
18:23 <+perlDreamer> morning aknowmad
18:24 <+perlDreamer> are you _the_ knowmad, or just _a_knowmad?
18:24 < aknowmad> i'm THE knowmad; had some problems with my client reserving just 'knowmad' nick
18:24 < aknowmad> might be b/c i'm laid up in bed sick :(
18:24 <+perlDreamer> oy
18:24 <+perlDreamer> not a good day
18:24 < aknowmad> better than yesterday when i had a 102F fever!
18:25 <+perlDreamer> I recommend lots of hot drinks and SciFi reruns
18:25 < aknowmad> yeah, i've done the teas; i've got a bit of code to write then will be cranking up some Battlestar Galactica reruns
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18:36 < CIA-5> WebGUI: yung * r6289 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with delete Thing permissions
18:37 <@apeiron> gack, coding while sick is a Bad Idea.
18:37 <+perlDreamer> yeah, it's better to write tests
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23:33 < citronized> hi :)
23:33 <+perlDreamer> Hi
23:33 <+perlDreamer> do you have some WebGUI questions, citronized?
23:35 < citronized> I'm wondering if I can install WebGUI and still use MAMP (Apache+MySQL) for other local sites ?
23:36 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:36 < citronized> do I have to download the source or the WRE ?
23:37 < citronized> I don't want to mess my present configuration :-/
23:37 <+perlDreamer> it is easiest to use the WRE, since it's all optimized to work well together
23:37 <+perlDreamer> and there's nothing stopping you from running other sites on the WRE as static sites
23:38 < citronized> ok, but I'll need to rename some conf files, is that right ?
23:38 <+perlDreamer> perhaps, it depends on what you're trying to do
23:39 < citronized> just trying to try WebGUI :D
23:39 <+perlDreamer> have you tried a demo site yet?
23:39 < citronized> yup
23:39 < citronized> seem to be weel feet to my project :)
23:40 <+perlDreamer> good
23:40 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI tries to meet all sorts of needs
23:40 < citronized> looks like, yup
23:41 < citronized> basically, I need a pool function (perhaps I need to custom it) and an access to a dedicated MySQL DB
23:42 < citronized> and a good user dashboard configuration :)
23:42 < citronized> my project is a free library, so I need to be able to write records, etc.
23:43 < citronized> mange groups
23:43 < citronized> manage
23:44 < citronized> I believe WebGUI is able to meet my needs, isn't it ?
23:44 <+perlDreamer> not sure what a "pool function" is, but WebGUI has very fine grained group and user privileges and a dashboard.
23:47 < citronized> well, I've seen in the demo that polls are limited to 20 answers (excuse my english for the pool :) ) and I might need more answers per question ;)
23:47 <+perlDreamer> ah, not a problem about the english.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> There is a new poll function coming out at the end of May
23:48 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: ping.  You awake/around?
23:48 < citronized> good news :)
23:48 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2 would know how the new poll works, since he wrote it :)
23:48 < citronized> good
23:49 < citronized> I don't think my needs are that complex :)
23:49 <+perlDreamer> have you seen the i18n.webgui.org site, for translating WebGUI into other languages?
23:49 < citronized> nope
23:49 <+perlDreamer> You can download and install a French language pack
23:49 <+perlDreamer> it's about 38% translated
23:50 <+perlDreamer> or, if you wish, you can actually use that website to contribute back to the project by translating things that aren't done yet
23:51 < citronized> wow, cool way to share, i think :)
23:51 <+perlDreamer> Yeah.  Since I mainly speak english, I try to write tests and help people out in the forums and here on IRC.
23:51 < citronized> perhaps i can help them in spanish too :)
23:52 <+perlDreamer> that would be cool
23:52 <+perlDreamer> there's been a group from Colombia working on the Spanish translation for a while
23:52 <+perlDreamer> they've done a huge amount of work
23:52 < citronized> great
23:53 < citronized> I still haven't read anything about hosting, is there particular server settings needed ?
23:54 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install
23:54 <+perlDreamer> that's how to do a source install
23:55 < citronized> cool :)
23:56 <+perlDreamer> the wiki has a ton of info on using and installing WebGUI
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23:57 < citronized> mmmh... the source install seems a bit tricky for me :o
23:58 <+perlDreamer> well, you can use the WRE, but you'd need to move your other configs over to its apache
23:59 <+perlDreamer> it might be better to use a different server than your main one for initial tinkering
23:59 < citronized> well, my "server" is my iMac :)
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> that's actually good, since the main WebGUI devs all use Macs
00:00 <+perlDreamer> it will mean fewer hiccups
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00:01 < citronized> what are hiccups ?
00:01 <+perlDreamer> with respect to computers, problems or glitches
00:02 < citronized> ok, aka bugs ? :)
00:02 <+perlDreamer> with respect to people, it's when the diaphragm muscle contracts quickly
00:02 <+perlDreamer> yeah
00:02 < citronized> right, i get it ;)
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00:04 < citronized> to host webgui do I need more then apache, MySQL and PHP ?
00:05 <+perlDreamer> no PHP, perl
00:05 <+perlDreamer> perl and mod_perl
00:05 <+perlDreamer> and yes, you do
00:05 < citronized> oh, ok
00:05 <+perlDreamer> ImageMagick
00:05 < citronized> ok
00:05 <+perlDreamer> a ton of perl modules
00:06 <+perlDreamer> it should all be there in the wiki page
00:06 < citronized> so an Unix server i guess ?
00:06 <+perlDreamer> no, it will run on Windows, Macs and Linux/Unix
00:06 < citronized> ok
00:06 <+perlDreamer> well, Macs nowadays are really BSD/Unix based
00:07 < citronized> i'm gonna look deeper in the wiki then ;)
00:07 < citronized> sure they are
00:08 < citronized> my present personal website use Joomla, but it seems that webgui is even more intuitive :)
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00:11 < citronized> I'm wondering about the client side code, are the webgui site W3C compliant ?
00:11 <@preaction> yes. it uses XHTML 1.0 Strict with a text/html doctype
00:12 < citronized> that's a really good news :)
00:13 <+perlDreamer> citronized: you said this is for a library?
00:13 < citronized> kind of, yup
00:13 < citronized> about mini cars :)
00:14 < citronized> die-cast and stuff :)
00:14 <+perlDreamer> sounds fun
00:14 < citronized> I allready have some 16.000 refs for my DB
00:14 < citronized> but i want it collaborative
00:15 < citronized> i want people to share, build a kind of qualitative library :)
00:16 < citronized> with some control on what people post and share
00:17 < citronized> dunno if it's hard to make a form to write records in an separate DB ?
00:21 <+perlDreamer> for that, either use the SQL Form or the new Thingy that is coming out (end of May)
00:21 <+perlDreamer> for simple reporting, use the SQL Report
00:26 < citronized> ok
00:27 < citronized> seems easy :)
00:28 <+perlDreamer> for the most part it is.
00:28 < citronized> i guess it can be more tricky to control the data
00:29 < citronized> or stuff like that :)
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00:49 < citronized> are those perl module enough to install webgui ? (i may host my site there :) )
00:49 < citronized> http://start.ovh.net/infos/perl.cgi
00:51 <+perlDreamer> will this hoster give you command line access to your site?
00:51 < citronized> dunno :-/
00:51 <+perlDreamer> you have to have command line access to install WebGUI on another hoster
00:51 < citronized> mmh
00:52 < citronized> ok
00:52 <+perlDreamer> in order to start up spectre and edit the config files
00:53 < citronized> right, i've seen that in the installation guide, but i haven't though that the hoster would need it :o
00:54 < citronized> maybe I should start building a local server, but will I be able to migrate it to another host, later ?
00:55 <+perlDreamer> yes, as long as you have command line access
00:55 <+perlDreamer> or, you could use a WebGUI hoster, like Plain Black or Procolix
00:55 <+perlDreamer> Plain Black does a lot of hosting here in the US, and Procolix is a Dutch company
00:57 < citronized> can they host french sites ?
00:57 < citronized> i guess not
00:57 <+perlDreamer> sure, I don't see why not
00:57 < citronized> dunno, sometimes, internet isn't that virtual :)
00:57 <+perlDreamer> true
00:59 < citronized> does plain black allows upgrades ? I mean if my site become serious, will I be able to upgrade datastorage and stuff ?
00:59 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:00 < citronized> cool :)
01:00 < citronized> i should take a look to plain black offers, then :)
01:01 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:02 < citronized> what is the best beginners hosting ? :) 
01:03 <+perlDreamer> unsupported, basic hosting is $20/month
01:03 <+perlDreamer> https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/unsupported-site-hosting
01:04 <+perlDreamer> hosting with support is $50/month
01:04 <+perlDreamer> https://www.plainblack.com/services/hosting/supported-virtual-hosting
01:04 <@rizen> a lot of people start out with the $50/mo package and then downgrade to the $20 once they're comfortable
01:04 <+perlDreamer> not speaking Dutch, I can't tell you how the comparable rates are for Procolix
01:05 < citronized> not speakin dutch either :)
01:05 <+perlDreamer> rizen: will Thingy require an extra db like the SQL Form?
01:05 <@rizen> no
01:06 <@rizen> if you email koen@procolix.nl he will speak English with you
01:06 < citronized> ok, ty rizen ;)
01:09 <+perlDreamer> need to reboot, be back in a bit
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01:17 < citronized> seems that plain black is slightly cheaper, and provide more :)
01:19 < citronized> ok guys, thank for your help, it's a bit late here, I need some sleep :)
01:19 <+perlDreamer> good night
01:19 < citronized> hope i'll see you around ;)
01:20 < citronized> bye
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01:21 <+perlDreamer> hopefully we helped another new WebGUI user today :)
01:30 <@rizen> perlDreamer rulez
01:31 <@rizen> if i had to do my PBWG interview over again, on the "What is WebGUI's killer feature?" question, I'd answer: perlDreamer
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01:44 <+perlDreamer> thanks, dude
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02:06 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6290 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
02:06 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Handle null productNumbers in the Product variant translation.
02:06 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Update the product loading script to add more products.
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03:41 < snapcount> yes it finally works!
03:42 < snapcount> I wrote a POE daemon with IKC that wraps a POE IRC bot
03:42 < snapcount> so I can send messages to chat channels from other perl scripts with like three lines of code
03:43 < snapcount> I wanted to use the CIA thing but our repos is not public
03:43 < snapcount> and installing it on your own server was... well a bit messy
03:44 < snapcount> if anyone is interested I'll give you the code... it's very very simple
03:44 < snapcount> but works nicely
03:44 < snapcount> anyways... gotta head home... bbl
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05:22 < patspam> can anyone give me a heads-up on the current state of play with Survey 2.0? I didn't see it in the 7.5.10 beta?
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05:51 <@preaction> patspam, it will hopefully be in 7.5.11. the author says his deadline for his sponsors is this week
05:51 <@preaction> patspam, if you want to try it, there's a Survey 2.0 branch in https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch
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06:10 < patspam> ah fantastic, thanks preaction
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06:54 <+perlDreamer> rizen: art thou awake?
07:29 <+perlDreamer> I need some help designing the variant table to work with collateral
07:29 <+perlDreamer> It's probably easier than I'm making it
07:29 <+perlDreamer> but I'll catch you tomorrow
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08:02 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6291 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: new variant table schema
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10:31 < BartJol> morning
11:45 < BartJol> awfully quiet here
11:45 < BartJol> well let me state a question then
11:45 < BartJol> I try to turn on my awstats
11:46 < BartJol> [Fri May 02 10:31:14 2008] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Options ExecCGI is off in this directory: /data/wre/prereqs/wwwroot/awstats.pl
11:46 < BartJol> this error comes up
11:46 < BartJol> I tried to add ExecCGI to alle the necessary options
11:47 < BartJol> but no result and my modproxy want restart because of it
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15:17 < BartJol> hee knowmad, already figured out the unconditionalRead stuff?
15:22 < ckotil> Is there a way to prevent a subset of assets from getting indexed by search?
15:23 < ckotil> users want a 'staging area' on the production sites. bleh
15:23 <+MrHairgrease> well, you could limit the scope of the search assets
15:23 <+MrHairgrease> you can select the brach it searches trhough
15:24 <+MrHairgrease> or you could set the privs of the assets toi something visitors don't see
15:24 < ckotil> yah, that could work. but i have a global search that searches from root on down. perhaps i can tweak that a little.
15:24 <+MrHairgrease> ah
15:24 < ckotil> yah, that could work. ill try it out. thanks MrHairgrease 
15:24 <+MrHairgrease> you prolly don't want that anyway since that also include all the stuff in the import node
15:25 < knowmad> hi BartJol; yes, i got the answer i was needing
15:25 < ckotil> your right :)
15:25 <+MrHairgrease> no problemo
15:25 < ckotil> noones complained about that tho. im waiting to hear somehting like 'what are all these templates doing in search?'
15:25 < BartJol> good to hear
15:25 < knowmad> yeah, and the code I wrote appears to be working!
15:26 < BartJol> congrats
15:26 < knowmad> yeah, we have a team of 20 working round the clock on a queue; had some record locking problems that was causing multiple users to get the same record from the queue which is bad in many ways
15:28 < BartJol> doesn't sound good, and 20 people?! whoah
15:28 < knowmad> yeah, there's lots of potential for race conditions
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15:58 < SDuensin> Greetings.
15:59 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings
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16:36 < CIA-5> WebGUI: martin * r6292 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm: Fixed a bug that prevented updating the cart
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> rizen, are you awake?
16:42 <@rizen> yeah
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> I cannot set a shipping address
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> no errors
16:42 <+MrHairgrease> so i strated digging
16:42 <@rizen> it's because i programmed that in there to prevent you from doing it
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> in the end i added an eval in the address book content handler
16:43 <+MrHairgrease> and then it gave me a 'cannot call method session on an undefined value in line 433'
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> that is in Shop::AddressBook->www_view
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> oh crap
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> found it i think
16:44 <+MrHairgrease> let me try
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> yeah that seems to do it
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> the problem was this:
16:46 <+MrHairgrease> if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $sub->() }
16:47 <+MrHairgrease> i changed that to 
16:47 <+MrHairgrease> if (my $sub = $cart->can($method)) { $cart->$method() }
16:48 <+MrHairgrease> why is that construction used anyway?
16:50 <@rizen> oh
16:50 <@rizen> that was something i was trying out, and forgot to put back
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:50 <+MrHairgrease> I'll turn it into the working state then
16:50 <@rizen> graham said it would work, but it didn't
16:50 <@rizen> sorry about that
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> nm, chasing weird bugs keeps me off the streets
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> question about the subscriptions
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> should I implement the subscription code thing on a per supscription basis
16:51 <+MrHairgrease> taht is, put it in the subscription asset
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16:52 <@rizen> yes please
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> ok
16:52 <@rizen> and we'll remove the "redeem subscription" link from the profile links
16:52 <@rizen> which nobody could ever find anyway
16:52 <+MrHairgrease> yeah, and move that into the asset of course
16:52 <@rizen> exactly
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16:57 < ckotil> wow, im performing a ginourmous cut/paste. its taking a whle, i hope it doesnt time out.
16:57 < ckotil> thankfully, on a test instance.
17:03 < ckotil> :x thought it was , anyway.
17:03 < ckotil> worked out.
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17:21 <+MrHairgrease> yay, the basic subscription stuff works
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> proceeding with the codes
17:23 < BartJol> oh rizen maybe this is a nice wuc theme "By God, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen!" (Samuel Pepys, English marine officer)
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> Bart, I'm not sure whether that is a Good Thing...
17:25 < BartJol> oh?
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> but it's true anyway =)
17:25 < BartJol> well, from JT's point of biew it is
17:25 < BartJol> and it's historical reoccurring it seems
17:25 < BartJol> the feeling, that is
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> hm, I have not a specific feeling about shitting devils
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> biertje?
17:27 < BartJol> nou
17:27 < BartJol> lijkt me wel wat
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> als jij ze nou even pakt, dan krijg je em van oqapi
17:42 < CIA-5> WebGUI: martin * r6293 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Shop.pm: Reverted a problem which caused the address book content handler to fail
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18:02 < ckotil> anyone have a file import script that also handles directories? turning them into folder assets? fileImport.pl doesnt seem to do that.
18:02 <+MrHairgrease> That's been on my todo list for a long time
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> but I never have found the tim eto do it
18:03 < ckotil> this siteimport.pl might do it actually. but its a pain to use.
18:03 <+MrHairgrease> It shouldn't be to difficult though
18:03 < ckotil> heh, im not a very good programmer.
18:06 < dionak> topsub created a modified version of fileImport.pl to create folders recently.
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18:10 < dionak> basically, the method checked to see if the folder already existed. if not, addChild is called with the className WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Folder to create it
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: looking at the original code it seems that it was possible to tie multiple subscriptions to a subscription code
18:13 <+MrHairgrease> however the form element seems to have allowed only one
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> is it okay to have a one-to-one subscription<->code relation?
18:14 <@rizen> yup
18:14 <+MrHairgrease> ok
18:16 < ckotil> dionak: is the modified script posted in contributions?
18:17 < dionak> no, it's not. it's not generalized...
18:17 < dionak> but the basic idea is there
18:17 < ckotil> ok
18:18 < dionak> has anyone done subscriptions in 7.4.29? I've been asked to do this. I know you guys are working on it for 7.5.x
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> yeah they exist in 7.4 too
18:18 <+MrHairgrease> that is the old commerce system
18:18 < dionak> ok, let me dig around a bit...
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> there in the admin console
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> gotta gop
18:19 <+MrHairgrease> later
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18:47 < dionak> i just setup some subscriptions but when i try to subscribe, the site reports 'Shipping is not possible because no shipping plugins are enabled'. why would i need shipping for subscriptions? 
18:47 < dionak> or is this what you guys are addressing?
18:48 < dionak> btw, i got the info from the administrator's guide. very helpful
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19:02 <@rizen> shipping determines tax rate
19:02 <@rizen> whether you ship something or not
19:11 < dionak> but how does that tie to subscriptions? there's no option in relation to a subscription for shipping.
19:11 < dionak> i see that for product
19:12 < dionak> oh, wait..
19:13 < dionak> i see. i just enabled shipping in the commerce admin console
19:19 <+perlDreamer> rizen: do you have time to talk about the product variant table?
19:20 <@rizen> i will in a few, i'll let you know
19:20 <@rizen> you can start typing your questions if you want
19:21 <+perlDreamer> I'll start with the background
19:21 <+perlDreamer> table definition at docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl, line 595
19:22 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking that variants should be more Product collateral, so that their display order can be rearranged by the user
19:22 <+perlDreamer> I wanted to use the variant sku as the primary key
19:22 <+perlDreamer> however, the collateral code won't let me use arbitrary keys as collateral indexes
19:23 <+perlDreamer> it really wants to use GUIDs
19:23 <+perlDreamer> similarly, it prefers to use assetId to identify parentage, but I was planning on using mastersku (sku of parent asset) 
19:24 <+perlDreamer> that's all to support inventory sync'ing
19:24 <+perlDreamer> so then I built a table schema that has variant sku, mastersku, assetId and variantId
19:24 <+perlDreamer> and it seems like wasted space
19:24 <+perlDreamer> I'm worrying too much about something in there, but I can't figure out what
19:25 <+perlDreamer> I'm curious how you'd do this, but more importantly, why you would make the decisions you'd make to arrive at a solution
19:25 <@rizen> first, don't store mastersku with the variant
19:25 <@rizen> mastersku is changable by the user
19:26 <@rizen> so the relationship has to be maintained by assetId
19:26 <@rizen> and also, sku is changable by user, therefore using a variantid guid is still a good idea, and therefore collateral still works
19:27 <@rizen> you should never use something changable by a user a as a primary key
19:27 <@rizen> so how i would do it is to have a table that looks like:
19:29 <@rizen> create table Product_variant ( variantId varchar(22) binary not null primary key, assetId varchar(22) binary not null, sku varchar(35) binary not null, ........, sequenceNumber int not null default 1, index assetId_sequenceNumber (assetId, sequenceNumber))
19:29 <@rizen> OR
19:30 <@rizen> even better would be to move all the collateral tables of product into json blob fields as mediumtext into the product, so that the product could be deployed as a package or a prototype
19:31 <+perlDreamer> from what I've seen, packages can be deployed with collateral
19:31 <+perlDreamer> and I've already gone down the path of JSON madness, and it was no fun
19:31 <@rizen> packages can be
19:31 <+perlDreamer> but not prototypes
19:31 <@rizen> but you still lose out on versioning and prototypes
19:32 <+perlDreamer> true
19:32 <@rizen> the json stuff isn't necessary if you don't want to do it...i just think it would be better
19:32 <+perlDreamer> in either case, still need to work out the schema
19:33 <@rizen> the schema for what?
19:33 <+perlDreamer> if you grab the 2008-04 log from mentalhouse and look at line 11509, you'll see that we decided that we needed master sku in the variant for inventory sync'ing
19:33 <@rizen> i just gave you the schema for variant
19:33 <@rizen> no we didn't
19:33 <@rizen> we need a master sku
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19:34 <@rizen> we DON'T need it in the variant
19:34 <+perlDreamer> ah
19:34 <@rizen> we have it in the product
19:34 <@rizen> the product inherits sku from WebGUI::Asset::Sku
19:34 <@rizen> so we have our master sku right there
19:34 <+perlDreamer> okay
19:34 <@rizen> and varients have assetId
19:34 <@rizen> so you have the relationship
19:36 <+perlDreamer> okay, I'm straightened out
19:36 <@rizen> sweet
19:37 <+perlDreamer> so my apprenticeship lessons are:
19:38 <+perlDreamer> 1) Don't get confused by CSV requirements and table schemas
19:38 <+perlDreamer> 2) Don't use anything the user can touch as a primary key
19:39 <@rizen> correct
19:39 <@rizen> oh...and that JSON blobs, while tricky, aren't bad
19:39 <@rizen> they give users more features
19:39 <@rizen> and per my black blog posting today, they may actually become a requirement for collateral storage
19:40  * perlmonkey2 really needs to get his feedreader working with wG.
19:40 <+perlDreamer> well, I'll try to get my feet wet then
19:44 <@apeiron> hmm, has anyone thought about using http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/history/ for the various admin console / func=edit type features in wG? Basically it allows for word processor-like undo/redo and the like for Webapps.
19:45 <@rizen> i've thought about firing you for making suggestions
19:45 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: wow
19:45 <+perlDreamer> I thought you were trying to give him a complex
19:45 <@rizen> but then i realized that your a valuable employee
19:45 <@rizen> =)
19:46 <@apeiron> You know, psychologically abusing people like that can make them lash out.
19:48 <@rizen> i'm just trying to get you pumped up for the annual Plain Black golden gloves tournament. You're in my weight class aren't you?
19:48 <@rizen> =)
19:48 < dionak> i need to get more input on subscriptions. we have a publication site that has several types of subscriptions. for instance, one group has access to 5 publications, another 6. so we made a group for each publication and then subscription groups, like 'Member' and 'Member Plus'. I created subscriptions and assigned them to each group ('Member', 'Member Plus'). 
19:49 <@rizen> you're right so far dionak
19:49 < dionak> What I'd like to see happen is that when a subscription expires, the user is prompted to subscribe again. How can I set this up so a user is prompted to renew the type of subscription they had and test this?
19:50 < dionak> btw, i've been updating the wiki as I go along here
19:50 <+perlDreamer> isn't there a group expire message field in the group?
19:50 < dionak> looking...
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19:51 <+perlDreamer> exipreNotify, expireOffset, expireNotifyMessage
19:51 <+perlDreamer> not sure if they're exposed through the group interface yet...
19:52 <+perlDreamer> yes it is
19:53 < dionak> so when the subscription expires, the user is expired from the subscription group based on the subscription term or group expiration, or both?
19:54 <+perlDreamer> I _think_ they're tied together, so both
19:54 <+perlDreamer> the group is created based on the subscription?
19:54 < dionak> and the notify occurs via email....
19:54 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:54 <+perlDreamer> also the WebGUI Inbox
19:54 < dionak> well, the group is associated with the subscription.
19:54 <+perlDreamer> Workflow/Activity/ExpireGroupings.pm
19:54 < dionak> ok
19:55 < dionak> so i could use the GroupText macro to test if they are in the group and, if not, i would need to send them back through the commerce piece to choose a subscription.
19:55 < dionak> no way to know what group they were in..
19:55 <@rizen> huh
19:55 < dionak> i'm thinking of the web interface only here
19:55 <+perlDreamer> Different macros for different groups
19:56 <+perlDreamer> well, same macro, different instances checking for different group membership
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19:56 <+perlDreamer> The user's group expire date is set by the subscription, see the apply method in WebGUI::Subscription
19:56 <+perlDreamer> so it will work correctly
19:56 < dionak> but they would be expired from a group, correct?
19:56 <+perlDreamer> yes
19:57 < dionak> so how would i know what their subscription was?
19:57 < dionak> it's not critical but i'm curious
19:57 < dionak> i guess i could look it up in one of the subscription tables?
19:57 <+perlDreamer> you _could_ write a counterpart to the GroupText macro that only displayed text if the user was about to expire
19:58 <+perlDreamer> it would check the Group's expire notify offset settings and display text appropriately
19:59 <+perlDreamer> might be a good core addition too, to complement C2
20:01 < dionak> hm, i wouldn't mind doing that and it would be entertaining (and short) to write but i don't think it fits this situation. we altered search.pm to make a public search. if a user doesn't have permission, i want to prompt them to login or expire. i think i can do this via the login template
20:07 <+perlDreamer> if you can, it should save you the time of writing and testing the macro, so it sounds like a good call
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20:21 < dionak> thanks for the input. i'm going to try that route
20:40 < CIA-5> WebGUI: yung * r6296 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): fixed: Thingy: Problem with add_url tmpl_var permissions
20:40 < CIA-5> WebGUI: yung * r6297 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm: fix: Thingy: edit thing doesn't show any saved properties
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21:32 < ckotil> any idea why a 78k pdf would appear to be 3MB in webgui? 
21:33 <+perlmonkey2> Is there a trick to gettign modproxy to like new certs and keys?  I just copied over my existing ones from apache.
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22:03 < ckotil> oh i see. the asset has a brazillion revisions.
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23:28 < CIA-5> WebGUI: jt * r6298 /WebGUI/ (t/Cache lib/WebGUI/Cache/Database.pm t/Cache/Database.t): added some database cache tests while testing out a theory, the theory is busted, but at least we have some more tests
23:32 <+perlDreamer> rizen, what was the theory?
23:33 <@rizen> it was actually haarg's theory. the idea was that if we cached the prepared statement on database backed cache we'd get a significant performance boost since the query to retrieve cache might be used a hundred times per request
23:34 <@rizen> however, if there was a performance gain, it was so small it couldn't be measured by Time::HiRes
23:34 <@rizen> it was a great theory
23:34 <@rizen> unfortunately it just didn't hold water, which is too bad
23:35 <+perlDreamer> I've heard of other things like that at OSCON talks
23:35 <+perlDreamer> cached queries, memcached being a huge performance gain
23:38 <@rizen> how big of a gain could it be if it's so small that it can't be measured by Time::HiRes
23:38 <@rizen> =)
23:39 <@rizen> the difference is statistically insignificant
23:39 <+perlDreamer> I believe you
23:39 <@rizen> Then again, we are talking about measuring things than are are less than 0.003 seconds
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00:21 < charleyhankins> Hi!  Anyone here really familiar with Thingy?
00:21 <+perlDreamer> nope
00:21 <+perlDreamer> have you checked the forums and the bug list?
00:21 < charleyhankins> yeah.  I've been working in the forums.
00:22 <+perlDreamer> are you having problems, or asking for best practices, or something else?
00:22 < charleyhankins> I'm using it, but having a couple of issues.  wondering if anyone could help me out.
00:22 <+perlDreamer> I'll give it a shot
00:22 <+perlDreamer> what's up?
00:22 < charleyhankins> thanks.  basically i need my thingy search to operate like this: http://goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work
00:23 < charleyhankins> but having trouble with the category drop down.
00:23 <+perlDreamer> what kind of trouble?
00:23 < charleyhankins> I'm here: http://web402.plainblack.net/home/great-place-to-live/chamber-of-commerce/membership
00:24 < charleyhankins> as you can see.  the drop down pulls directly from the dbase.  And when I search using it, it returns no results.
00:24 < charleyhankins> I also need it be be alphabetical.
00:25 <@rizen> i don't have time to look at it, but if the search isn't working then it very well could be a bug
00:25 <@rizen> as far as alphabetical, that would be an RFE
00:25 <+perlDreamer> yeah, I'd say you found a bug
00:25 <@rizen> although i think that RFE has already been implemented in 7.5.11
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00:25 <@rizen> which won't be released until after May 31st
00:26 <+perlDreamer> charleyharkins: you have a paid support contract from Plain Black?
00:26 < charleyhankins> problem is, I need this fixed by monday.
00:26 < charleyhankins> yeah.
00:26 < charleyhankins> but it's slow going. 
00:26 <@rizen> then post your questions there
00:26 < charleyhankins> i have.
00:27 <@rizen> you have only basic support, which guarantees a response within 48 hours...so yeah, it will be a bit slow going
00:27 <@rizen> and since it's 4:27 on a friday
00:27 <@rizen> i guarantee you that any problems you are having with thingy will not be resolved by monday
00:27 < charleyhankins> i've been working with this for weeks.
00:27 < charleyhankins> right.
00:27 < charleyhankins> anyway, thanks for your help.
00:28 <@rizen> report the bug
00:28 <@rizen> but regarding having problems...i'm sure that this was explained to you when you signed up for the beta server
00:28 <@rizen> it is a beta after all.=)
00:29 < charleyhankins> sure.  let me ask you this question then.  Is there another way to accomplish this within WebGUI? http://www.goeldorado.com/chamberSearch.aspx?section=work
00:30 <@rizen> i have no idea what i'm looking at
00:30 <@rizen> looks like a page to me
00:30 <+perlDreamer> search function with text entry fields and some dropdowns
00:30 < charleyhankins> yes.
00:30 <@rizen> i see a webgui site
00:30 <@rizen> are you guys seeing something else?
00:31 <+perlDreamer> yeah
00:31 <@rizen> hmmm...my dns must be screwed up
00:31 <+perlDreamer> I see a search form with text fields and dropdowns for selecting categories
00:31 < charleyhankins> i have a db of businesses.  they need to be searchable by business name, last name, category.  The category needs to be drop down box.
00:32 <@rizen> have you chosen "Select Box" as your field type in Thingy?
00:32 <@rizen> for category
00:32 < charleyhankins> yes.  and it is when editing the field, but the search box is always a text box.
00:32 <@rizen> if you have, then it will be a dropdown in the search
00:32 <@rizen> oh
00:32 < charleyhankins> no, it's not.
00:33 <@rizen> if it's not display a dropdown in search then that's a bug
00:33 <@rizen> the search should display the same field type as the edit form
00:33 < charleyhankins> can i create a seperate dropdown search for that particular field in the search template?
00:33 <@rizen> i don't know i haven't looked into the templates that much
00:33 < charleyhankins> how would I code that in particular?
00:34 <@rizen> one thing you could do is create another Thing in that Thingy called "Category"
00:34 <@rizen> and populate it with your list of categories
00:34 <@rizen> then that would drop down a list in the search
00:34 < charleyhankins> that's what I have.  and it populates with categories, but does not return results.
00:34 <@rizen> then that's a bug and you should report it
00:35 <@rizen> and as far as fixing it by Monday you're screwed
00:35 < charleyhankins> ha!  ok. thanks.
00:35 <@rizen> the only other advice i have would be to try to create a category using the Radio List field type
00:35 <@rizen> maybe that would display as a radio list in the search results
00:35 <@rizen> which is ugly
00:35 <@rizen> but at least it would work
00:35 < charleyhankins> sure.  but, hey... right
00:36 < charleyhankins> i'll give it a go.
00:36 < charleyhankins> thanks.
00:36 <+perlDreamer> how about not using the template field for that form, but building the select box with a SQL macro and HTML right in the template?
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01:06 <@apeiron> May it be known, across the lands, for all to hear, that apeiron hates JS.
01:06 <+perlDreamer> indeed
01:06 <@apeiron> Well, HTML and CSS, too.
01:06 <@apeiron> And SQL.
01:06 <+perlDreamer> btw, you're not doing too bad.  The message got to Oregon :)
01:07 <+perlDreamer> How does SQL rank against JS?
01:07 <@apeiron> eh
01:07 <@apeiron> Other projects I can use DBIx::Class and such.
01:07 <@apeiron> JS... there's no escape.
01:07 <+perlDreamer> I like SQL better than JS
01:07 <+perlDreamer> because you can hide behind a lot of perl :)
01:08 <@apeiron> yeah.
01:08 <@apeiron> That doesn't make me 'like' SQL any more.
01:08 <@apeiron> If I wasn't a teetotaler, JS would drive me to drink.
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01:17 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: or is it just the YUI?
01:18 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, YUI is nice, but JS is JS and there's a hundred different little inconsistencies between browsers that don't exist in perlland.
01:18 <@apeiron> (and the inconsistencies that *do* exist in perlland are documented in perldelta)
01:19 <+perlDreamer> well, to be fair, not all of them are
01:19 <@apeiron> Oh?
01:19 <+perlDreamer> Consider working on Windows, Solaris, and Fedora
01:19 <@apeiron> ah.
01:19 <+perlmonkey2> YUI does insulate you against most of the browser problems.
01:19 <@apeiron> perldoc perlport. :)
01:19 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Yeah, when you're doing YUI things.
01:19 <+perlDreamer> that won't cover the fedora issues
01:19 <@apeiron> heh
01:19 <@apeiron> perldoc psychiatrist
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01:28 <@apeiron> (preventative measures; they were in #perl spewing CCs and SSNs)
01:28 <+perlDreamer> huh?
01:28 <+perlDreamer> what is +b?
01:28 <@apeiron> ban
01:29 <@apeiron> cannot enter channel and if in channel when ban is placed, cannot speak or reenter
01:29 < nuba> awesome, lets quickly /j #perl
01:29 < nuba> now seriously, that sucks
01:30  * apeiron nods
01:30 < nuba> probably some disaffected college student
01:30 <+perlDreamer> yeah, you know those college students
01:31 <+perlDreamer> always causing trouble
01:31  * apeiron looks around shiftily
01:31 <@apeiron> I've, uh, I've no idea what you're talking about!
01:32  * perlDreamer seems to remember that nuba is similarly attending a place of higher education
01:32 < nuba> im a college student here, CS baccaulaureate, but i've left the disaffected part behind already
01:32 < nuba> im just too busy to spend time with that
01:33 < nuba> but you can sense it around, anyway
01:33 < nuba> young people looking for trouble
01:33 < nuba> those punks! 
01:33 < nuba> lol
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02:01 <+perlDreamer> easy there, nuba
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02:04 < Lisette> hello perlDreamer
02:04 <+perlDreamer> congratulations on your team winning the t-shirt contest, lisette
02:04 < Lisette> thanks
02:04 < Lisette> i have a question around apache
02:05 <+perlDreamer> okay
02:05 < Lisette> i can use the apace 1.3.x?
02:05 < Lisette> apache
02:05 <+perlDreamer> I don't think so.  Apache 2.x
02:05 <+perlDreamer> mainly because of mod_perl 2.x
02:05 <+perlDreamer> you could try it, but no promises on how it works
02:05 < Lisette> thanks
02:12 <+perlDreamer> Porque quiere usar un Apache tan viejo?
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08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6301 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Product variant creation is held off until we can finalize
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: the variant code.
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Began building JSON based variant code, and a test for
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: verifying how it works. set, get and delete collateral
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: are implemented. Still need to build moveUp and moveDown.
08:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Lots of tests to be written.
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18:37 <+perlDreamer> rizen:  You late night hackin' monster!
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22:33 <+perlDreamer> rizen: you were right (again).  Properly encapsulated, this JSON stuff isn't so bad.
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23:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6302 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Sku/ProductCollateral.t: more product collateral tests
23:55 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6303 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): deleteCollateral tests, and detab Sku/Product.pm
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00:33 <+perlDreamer> rizen: would it be bad to make moveUp and moveDown collateral to wrap around (in the new Product collateral)?
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01:21 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, preaction_: what's the SQL subquery for getting the latest revision of all assets in a table?
01:22 <+perlDreamer> SELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate;
01:22 <+perlDreamer> that's close, but not quote enough
01:22 <+perlDreamer> this is closer: SELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate     WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(revisionDate) FROM Product);
01:23 <@apeiron> hm
01:24 <+perlDreamer> I need a max revisionDate for each assetId
01:24 <+perlDreamer> because that gives me the biggest in the whole table
01:24 <@apeiron> How does the latter differ from that?
01:24 <+perlDreamer> let's say I have three assets, a1, a2, a3
01:25 <+perlDreamer> each was committed one minute apart
01:25 <+perlDreamer> my last query will only give me 1 asset, from a3
01:25 <+perlDreamer> rather than the latest versions of a1 and a2
01:25 <@apeiron> Ah.
01:27 <+perlDreamer> the good news is that JSON based collateral is working
01:27 <+perlDreamer> I just can't upgrade from Wobject based products to Sku based products because of the query
01:27 <+perlDreamer> I'll grind on it while I'm taking the tiller to the shop.
01:28 <+perlDreamer> thanks for listening, apeiron!
01:28 <@apeiron> I may have a solution, trying it out.
01:28 <@apeiron> Have you thought of putting a WHERE clause in the subquery?
01:28 <@apeiron> (for the assetId)
02:33 <+perlDreamer> hm
02:34 <+perlDreamer> no, I hadn't
02:36 <+perlDreamer> the problem is that I don't know at that point which assetId I want, since the query returns them
02:37 <+perlDreamer> maybe I need to dig into AssetLineage and see what's going on there
02:37 <+perlDreamer> or the Template form variable
02:42 <+perlDreamer> got it
02:42 <+perlDreamer> SELECT p.assetId,  p.revisionDate, a.title, s.sku     FROM Product   AS p     JOIN assetData AS a         on p.assetId=a.assetId and p.revisionDate=a.revisionDate     JOIN sku       AS s         on p.assetId=s.assetId and p.revisionDate=s.revisionDate     WHERE p.revisionDate=(SELECT MAX(Product.revisionDate) FROM Product where Product.assetId=a.assetId);
02:43 <+perlDreamer> preaction_ is going to get mad if I keep doing that
02:45 <+perlDreamer> apeiron: you were exactly right
02:45 <+perlDreamer> I'm just too SQL-newbified to understand
02:45 <+perlDreamer> thanks for the tip, dude!
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18:49 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, About the SQL stuff yesterday, was really just a guess on my part. :)
18:51 <+perlDreamer> a good one :)
18:55 <+perlDreamer> with perl, instinct is a valuable commodity
18:57  * apeiron nods, emphatically.
19:04 <+perlDreamer> okay, this is embarrasing
19:04 <+perlDreamer> I need some perl help
19:04 <+perlDreamer> I have an array ref
19:04 <+perlDreamer> I want to make a safe copy of it
19:04 <+perlDreamer> so I start with $ref
19:04 <+perlDreamer> my @copy = @{ $ref }
19:04 <+perlDreamer> I modify @copy
19:04 <+perlDreamer> and right now I'm seeing changes in $ref
19:05 <@apeiron> hrm
19:05 <@apeiron> I've seen a module to do this, I think.
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19:06 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Storable has a dclone() that you can use.
19:06 <@rizen> if that's showing changes in the ref then i think that webgui is broken all over the place
19:06 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to boil it down and figure it out
19:06 <@rizen> cuz that's always how i make copies of array refs
19:08 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Does your usage vary much from http://webgui.pastebin.com/d20f4191e ?
19:08 <@apeiron> That DWYM.
19:09 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m34d0b74a
19:10 <+perlDreamer> oh crap
19:10 <+perlDreamer> now I get it
19:10 <+perlDreamer> I'm still dealing with references
19:11 <@rizen> indeed
19:11 <+perlDreamer> perldoc Storable
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19:16 <+perlDreamer> this works better
19:16 <+perlDreamer> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m289c0ffb
19:16 <+perlDreamer> I had to iterate over the array anyway
19:16 < sanyock3> Hi All
19:16 <+perlDreamer> Hi, sanyock3
19:16 <+perlDreamer> Do you have some webgui questions?
19:17 < sanyock3> Sure ;)
19:20 <+perlDreamer> rizen: Have you looked at the new JSON collateral methods?  If I'm way off base, it would be good to know before I get too far along.
19:20 <@rizen> no but i will
19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6306 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Convert accessories over to the new Product collateral methods.
19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Add a method to get the JSON collateral indexed, for easy access to indeces.
19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Add tests for the new getIndexedCollateralData method.
19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: In the upgrade script, put variants in all versions of the Product. Begin
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19:24 < CIA-5> WebGUI: work on converting the collateral tables over to JSON.
19:25 <@rizen> looks like you're on the right track
19:25 <+perlDreamer> (phew) good.  Thanks for the review.
19:26 <@rizen> though when i genericize it for use in other assets there are a few things i'd change
19:26 <+perlDreamer> okay, what does it need?
19:26 <@rizen> first, while for your purposes of conversion the word "table" makes sense, but to people that never saw table based collateral, it makes no sense
19:27 <+perlDreamer> would $collateral be a better variable to use?  Or something else?
19:27 <@rizen> and it adds to confusion because databases have tables, but json doesn
19:28 <@rizen> second, i wouldn't make it part of the asset, but rather a separate object that the asset can use similar to VersionTag or Keywords
19:28 <+perlDreamer> I was thinking in the long term this would become a mixin
19:29 <@rizen> so you'd do: my $collateral = WebGUI::JsonCollateral->new($self, $fieldName);
19:29 <@rizen> maybe it will, i'm still not convinced about mixins yet though
19:29 <+perlDreamer> Hey, if you want it top-level, top-level it is
19:29 <@rizen> i'm still leaning toward separate objects
19:30 <@rizen> for the purposes of this though
19:30 <@rizen> don't worry about those things
19:30 <@rizen> just get it done
19:30 <@rizen> given the time constraints you don't have time to make this perfect
19:30 <+perlDreamer> true
19:31 <@rizen> besides, i've changed the spec of products on you enough during this
19:31 <@rizen> =)
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19:31 <+perlDreamer> only once.  I just keep flip-flopping implementations
19:31 <@rizen> once is enough
19:31 <@rizen> =)
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20:08 < itnomad> I'm getting ready to install webgui on a CentOS server. I am confused by the instructions for DNS setup. Not much experience there. I am using one site on a computer that I access only by numbered address. Eventually I will get a domain name for this, but for now can I skip the DNS setup or do I have to make up a name for the WRE to use locally?
20:13 < itnomad> Where it says "add your first site"; sitename='can I use a numbered address here?'
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20:15 <+perlDreamer> itnomad, I'm not a WRE user, but I don't see why not
20:16 < itnomad> By now my nubiness must be clear to all. I have an intranet with a couple computers and am using a router and port forwarding.
20:16 < itnomad> I guess I just need to jump in and give it a shot.
20:16 <+perlDreamer> itnomad, we've all started there.  Don't feel bad because you're new.
20:17 < itnomad> I should go ahead and learn about the /etc/hosts file anyway. It's just that there is so much to do and so little time. Thanks for the encouragement perlDreamer.
20:18 <+perlDreamer> itnomad, if you're truly in a time crunch to set this up, have you considered having someone setup and host your site for you?
20:19 <@rizen> itnomad use the domain name that you think you'll be using when you luanch
20:19 <@rizen> launch
20:19 <@rizen> www.itnomad.com
20:19 <@rizen> for example
20:19 <@apeiron> Then you can put that in /etc/hosts, right?
20:20 <@rizen> yes, and then add an entry to /etc/hosts
20:20 <@rizen> of:
20:20 <@rizen> 10.0.0.1  www.itnomad.com
20:20 <@rizen> replace 10.0.0.1 with your numbered ip
20:21 <@rizen> then you can still access the site using 10.0.0.1 (or whatever your ip is)
20:21 <@rizen> but the WRE is expecting a domain...not an ip address
20:21 < itnomad> okay...got it. That helps a lot!
20:22 < itnomad> Thank you ... onward with the installation.
20:28 <+perlDreamer> rizen: accessory collateral converted over to JSON collateral.  The upgrade process has been tested, but I still need to test the UI.
20:34 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6307 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
20:34 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Convert accessory collateral to JSON based accessory collateral.
20:34 < CIA-5> WebGUI: Add a product with accessory collateral to loadProducts.pl to test the upgrade.
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22:27 < itnomad> installation was painless once I got past that one hump. I went ahead and bought the domain I will be using and put in /etc/hosts with my local ip. Everything is working. Thanks again for the help.  Now for some exercise.
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22:42 <+perlmonkey2> I would like to mark today as a day of celebration.  Microsoft has, at least for now, given up its bid to buy Yahoo.
22:49 <+perlDreamer> Motion seconded
22:49 <+perlDreamer> any comments from the floor?
22:53 <+perlDreamer> barring comments from floor, or an override from the commissioner, motion is passed.
23:14 <+perlmonkey2> hah, perlDreamer++
23:20 <@rizen> i object
23:27 <+perlDreamer> the committee recognizes the commissioner
23:27 <+perlDreamer> Would you please detail the objection for the record?
23:27 <@rizen> i would like to designate today as a day of sour grapes
23:28 <@rizen> i mean, did you read that pity party of a letter that balmer released to the public
23:29 <@rizen> he's so pissed off that someone would thwart his advances, that he's attempting to devalue Yahoo!'s stock price by saying they don't know how to run their own business
23:30 <@rizen> in addition, he talks as if he knows so much about the search business...but if he did, would his company really be a distant 3rd place contender...and note that he's talking to the 2nd place contender here
23:31 <@rizen> therefore i designate today as a day of sour grapes
23:31 <+perlDreamer> the committee would like suggest that we combine the celebration and sour grapes to be a day of "Neener neener boo boo".
23:32 <@rizen> i really want to post what i just said to the black blog, but me thinks that it probably wouldn't be appropriate
23:33 <+perlDreamer> just pull the concept out of it, and write about that
23:33 <+perlDreamer> poor sportsmanship, mud-slinging don't work well with open source
23:34 <@rizen> what fun would that be
23:35 <@rizen> oh, and steve balmer can't do math
23:36 <@rizen> in his letter he claimed that they offered an additional $1 per share (raising it to $33 from $32 per share) which was also rejected
23:36 <@rizen> and he said that extra $1/share was going to cost $5 billion
23:36 <@rizen> later in the letter he said that yahoo would not settle for anything less than $37 per share
23:36 <@rizen> which would cost an additional $5 billion or more
23:37 <@rizen> how is it that $1/share and $4/share both equal $5 billion
23:37 <+perlDreamer> unless the number of shares offered are different, they aren't
23:38 <@rizen> exactly
23:38 <+perlmonkey2> heh
23:39 <+perlmonkey2> It is always fun to see a company, lacking in even the remotest spec of integrity, fall on its face.
23:41 <@rizen> but in far more important news:
23:41 <@rizen> http://gizmodo.com/386877/holy-crap-macgyver-blockbuster-film-coming
23:42 <+perlDreamer> yeah!
23:42 <+perlDreamer> oy
23:42 <+perlDreamer> I already miss the new commerce system
23:44 <@rizen> you already miss it?
23:45 <@rizen> oh...you're working on the old one for that contract
23:45 <@rizen> =)
23:45 <@rizen> what's funny is that i'm writing the same thing you are
23:45 <@rizen> only for the new one
23:45 <@rizen> $0 transactions
23:45 <@rizen> right at this very moment
23:45 <+perlDreamer> have to take a small break
23:46 <+perlDreamer> I have a very important snake tungue surgery to perform
23:52 <+perlDreamer> Yesterday, I was an electrician
23:52 <+perlDreamer> This morning, a programmer
23:52 <+perlDreamer> this afternoon, a veterinarian
23:52 <+perlDreamer> what a day
23:53 <+perlDreamer> plus, I caught a cold
23:57 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: Should I address the cover letter to Frank?
23:57 <@rizen> if you like
23:57 <@rizen> he is going to be the one who interviews you
23:57 <+perlmonkey2> groovy
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00:09 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6308 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProductManager.pm: price and weight checks were mangled in the ProductManager
01:24 <+perlDreamer> are all WebGUI releases tagged in SVN?
01:25 <@rizen> all releases in the past 6 months or so
01:25 <@rizen> we didn't do it before that
01:25 <@rizen> maybe not even that long ago...i don't remember exactly when we started it
01:25 <+perlDreamer> 7.4.16 is before the JSON fixes, so I'm guessing that it's too old
01:26 <+perlDreamer> it's okay, I'll diff against an original source tree
01:26 <@rizen> no i think 7.4.16 should be in the tags
01:26 <+perlDreamer> I'll check
01:26 <@rizen> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/releases/WebGUI_7.4.16-stable/
01:27 <@rizen> looks like we've been doing it since the 7.3 days
01:27 <+perlDreamer> yup
01:40 <@rizen> ok calling it quits for the day...ttyl
01:40 -!- rizen is now known as rizenisaway
01:43  * perlDreamer continues with his journey
01:43 <+perlDreamer> leaping from module to module
01:43 <+perlDreamer> writing wrongs from the past
01:45 <+perlDreamer> and hoping that each one will show him the way home
02:16 <+perlDreamer> or at least to a cushy well paying job with Perl
02:22 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6309 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm: fix for POD whitespace
02:46 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6310 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: final accessory changes. UI tests pass as well
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02:52 <+perlDreamer> this new collateral system is so simple, I wonder if the whole thing could be automated, ala the definition sub.
02:53 <+perlDreamer> so when it found a collateral property, it would autogenerate all the move, and delete subs
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05:24 < enriquan> hi all :)
05:29 < enriquan> ...
05:29 < enriquan> nobody's here huh?
05:30 < enriquan> I cant install webgui... cause my server's running apache
05:30 < enriquan> and its my web host... so I dont think I can disable it
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07:01 < CIA-5> WebGUI: colin * r6311 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert related over to JSON collateral
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09:27 < citronized> hello :)
09:28 < citronized> i'm trying to install Webgui on a mac... OS 10.5
09:29 < citronized> i'm wondering if there's a special directory in a specific location to create for unpacking ?
09:30 <+Radix-wrk> citronized: I'm not familiar with installing it on a mac, but is there anything in the wiki about a mac install?
09:30 <+Radix-wrk> I'm sure it'd be documented somewhere
09:31 < citronized> perhaps yup, i'm gonna have a look there :)
09:31 <+Radix-wrk> my guess though is that it's the same as for every other platform - you need a /data directory and everything goes under that - that's just a guess tho
09:31 < citronized> yes, but as I have several sessions, I dunno if I have to create the data dir at the root or in one admin session...
09:32 <@rizenisaway> the instructions are the same for *all* platforms, and the wre comes with them in docs/install.txt
09:32 <@rizenisaway> just follow it and you'll be fine
09:33 < citronized> ok, I'll do that :) thank you two ;)
09:33 <+Radix-wrk> you're welcome
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10:19 < citronized> hello again, when i list the services, i have a warning displayed on page : Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.
10:19 < citronized> so i cannot start Apache Modproxy services :(
10:20 < citronized> i've tried using  a "root" session, but i have the same warning displayed :-/
10:21 <+Radix-wrk> you will need to be root to start webgui, yes, or any apache service.
10:22 < citronized> isn't there a way to start the service in command line, using the root login ?
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10:33 < citronized> ok, found it
10:34 < citronized> the command is : "data/wre/sbin/wreservice.pl --start all"
10:34 < citronized> with "su" before :)
10:35 < BartJol> do you know whether su retains the environment settings?
10:36 < citronized> nope, no idea
10:36 < BartJol> quite important
10:36 < BartJol> I think when I sudo'd it didn't go well
10:37 < BartJol> and you need root rights for -all
10:37 <+Radix-wrk> err.. not su
10:37 <+Radix-wrk> sudo
10:37 <+Radix-wrk> or use su to get into root first, then run it I guess
10:38 < BartJol> well that works for me...
10:38 < BartJol> off course
10:38 <+Radix-wrk> either should work really
10:38 < BartJol> ah
10:38 <+Radix-wrk> but you may have to configure sudo first to ensure you have privileges to do it
10:38 < BartJol> well I broke something so I can't test it right now
10:38 < BartJol> ah
10:39 <+Radix-wrk> su is easier imho
10:39 <+Radix-wrk> but sudo is technically safer :)
10:39 <+Radix-wrk> both give you root privs tho :)
10:39 < BartJol> ok
10:39 < citronized> well, i'm just trying to instal webgui to test it localy
10:40 <+Radix-wrk> fair enough
10:40 <+Radix-wrk> webgui is great, but the installation is always the hardest part :)
10:40 < citronized> i can see that, yup !! :)
10:40 < BartJol> with the wre it's quite doable
10:40 <+Radix-wrk> you know about the demo.plainblack.com site right?
10:41 < citronized> yep, but it only last for 1 day, don't it ?
10:41 < BartJol> it does
10:41 < BartJol> or limited time anyway\
10:41 <+Radix-wrk> with the wre it should be doable in about half an hour.. but that assumes you have no mysql, no apache, perl, anything on that system already that might conflict or cause issues
10:42 < BartJol> I had a clean server, that might make a difference
10:42 <+Radix-wrk> yeah, I've found it makes the world of difference
10:43 < citronized> took me less then one hour
10:43 <+Radix-wrk> for your first time that's excellent :)
10:43 < BartJol> so before installing make sure it's clean with a sudo rm -rf / command
10:43 < BartJol> :)
10:43 <+Radix-wrk> hhaha
10:43 < BartJol> sorry, to often made, this joke is
10:44 < citronized> :p
10:44 < BartJol> I'm just not that original :)
10:44 <+Radix-wrk> See your nerd education is still rather lacking that's why Bart.. you're getting there tho :)
10:45 < citronized> how do i quit the "root" mode in terminal ?
10:45 <+Radix-wrk> exit
10:45 < citronized> ty
10:45 < BartJol> ctrl-D
10:46 <+Radix-wrk> you can use the 'id' command to see what privileges you're running as at any time too
10:46 <+Radix-wrk> it should say something like 'uid=0(root) gid=0(root)' if you're running as root
10:47 <+Radix-wrk> and something like 'uid=501(jesse) gid=503(formsys)' if you're as a normal user
10:47 < BartJol> but I'm not called jesse?
10:47 < citronized> :)
10:47 <+Radix-wrk> yes, be grateful for that one :)
10:48 < citronized> gives me that : uid=501(citronized) gid=501(citronized) groups=501(citronized),98(_lpadmin),80(admin)
10:48 <+Radix-wrk> yup, so you're in a normal user session right now then
10:48 < citronized> ;)
10:49 <+Radix-wrk> id is handy if you're like me and logged into half a dozen different machines at any one time and can never remember who you logged in as
10:50 < citronized> i guess :)
10:50 < BartJol> ah, I'm only logged in to maximun three machines simultaneously 
10:50 < BartJol> but, I'm not yet as nerdy...
10:52 <+Radix-wrk> heh
10:53 <+Radix-wrk> Well I'm off home - going to see Iron Man tonight and looking forward to it!
10:53 < BartJol> ah, have fun
10:53 < citronized> :)
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11:02 < citronized> is there a way to custom used fonts for all pages ?
11:03 < BartJol> ? probably there is, but I'm not sure what you mean?
11:04 < BartJol> in the css you can do that
11:04 < BartJol> but you can have a css in the head of the template or a separate css file
11:04 < citronized> the content part use a serif font, i'd like to use a sans-serif font, i don't know how to manage this :)
11:05 < citronized> ok
11:05 < citronized> where is located this css ?
11:05 < BartJol> so you just have to look at your template whether it has css directly in it or via a css file
11:05 < BartJol> you can see it in your template
11:05 < BartJol> probably somewhere in the import node or media folder
11:07 < citronized> right, in the import dir ;) ty
11:07 < BartJol> if the template uses a css file, it should be defined in the head section of your template
11:08 < BartJol> if you have bugzilla (if you use firefox) most of the time you also see what file is used
11:08 < BartJol> the name anyway
11:10 < citronized> i have the webdeveloper tools bar
11:10 < citronized> ;)
11:11 < BartJol> ok
11:22 < citronized> BartJol: do you know how can I add MySQL tables or DB ? Do I have to use the WRE console or there's a phpMyadmin like console ?
11:23 < BartJol> ah
11:23 < BartJol> well
11:24 < BartJol> I would just go into the mysql db
11:24 < BartJol> but with an sql form, maybe you are able to do it too
11:24 < BartJol> but I didn't work with that yet
11:25 < citronized> oh, ok...
11:25 < BartJol> but not via the wreconsole and there isn't a separate console for it
11:26 < citronized> ok, i have to figured out how to manage that
11:27 < BartJol> do you want users to be able to do that? or you just want to add a table?
11:29 < citronized> i just want to add a table in order to manage some records which will be displayed in the site 
11:29 < BartJol> for an extra db, you have to make one in mysql, then add a database link inyour webgui settings
11:31 < citronized> i've seen that i have to do this link, but i dunno if there's a "phpMyadmin like" interface
11:31 < BartJol> your mysql user and password are in your WebGUI conf file
11:31 < BartJol> well, thingy might be able to do that
11:32 < BartJol> but that's only in the beta version
11:32 < BartJol> and these also are local assets, so not page iwde
11:32 < citronized> expected for the end of May, i've heard 
11:33 < BartJol> yeah, well...
11:33 < BartJol> :)
11:33 < BartJol> deadlines are easily passed
11:33 < citronized> i know, i know :)
11:33 < BartJol> but it will be somewhere around there
11:33 < BartJol> it will be before the wuc
11:34 < citronized> what is the wuc ?
11:34 < BartJol> the webgui user conference
11:34 < BartJol> 29th of august in madison, wisconsin
11:34 < BartJol> I believe
11:34 < BartJol> www.webgui.org/wuc
11:35 < citronized> oh ok :)
11:35 < BartJol> it's nice, and you can get to meet all the famous wbegui nerds
11:35 < citronized> i won't be there :)
11:35 < citronized> too far for me
11:35 < BartJol> too bad, 
11:35 < BartJol> we are going with around 12 dutchmen
11:36 < BartJol> and it's far for us too
11:36 < citronized> i guess
11:36 < citronized> maybe if i'm rich and have some holidays :)
11:37 < BartJol> a, we all get our tickets because it's our work
11:37 < BartJol> and all give presentations
11:38 < BartJol> where are you from then?
11:38 < citronized> from france :)
11:38 < BartJol> Straasbourg?\
11:39 < citronized> yup, Mr. Nerd :)
11:39 < citronized> but it's Strasbourg ;)
11:39 < BartJol> thnaks, I consider that a compliment
11:39 < citronized> u can :)
11:39 < BartJol> I know, my typing has to warm up
11:39 < citronized> np
11:40 < BartJol> well, nice to have more persons in the some timezone here
11:40 < citronized> Straasbourg sounds too much german for me :)
11:40 < BartJol> in dutch it's Straatsburg
11:40 < citronized> close
11:41 < citronized> about the tickets, it's not my job, even if i would like it :)
11:42 < BartJol> maybe a career change? :)
11:42 < citronized> i hope
11:42 < citronized> i'm bored with filemaker devs :)
11:42 < citronized> it's unusefull i think
11:43 < BartJol> but do you also work on the french translation? that would be a must for webgui in france
11:43 < BartJol> already 38 percent done
11:44 < citronized> I will
11:44 < BartJol> nice
11:45 < citronized> i discuss of it here with another user, i can't remember his name :|
11:45 < citronized> perl-somethg
11:45 < citronized> sorry for him
11:45 < BartJol> perlmonkey2?
11:45 < citronized> yup
11:45 < BartJol> perlDreamer?
11:45 < citronized> ;)
11:45 < citronized> both, as far as i can remember
11:46 < BartJol> ah, those are both sleeping
11:46 < citronized> i guess, last time i came, was the night here :)
11:46 < BartJol> Is there something like a WebGUI community in France?
11:46 < citronized> i don't know :)
11:47 < citronized> i'm quite comfortable with english, so i didn't even look if one exists
11:47 < BartJol> In the Netherlands we have, if we have a bigger meeting would you like to come here?
11:48 < BartJol> that's not very far
11:48 < citronized> why not
11:48 < citronized> i was in Utrecht this w-e :)
11:48 < BartJol> ah
11:48 < BartJol> nice city
11:48 < citronized> for a car meeting :)
11:49 < citronized> well, not really cars, but Citroën's :)
11:49 < BartJol> mm, Utrecht just banned SUV's from the city centre
11:49 < BartJol> well, the old Citroens are really nice
11:49 < citronized> they really are, i think :)
11:50 < citronized> i'm a citroën scale model collector :)
11:50 < BartJol> well that's not reaaly my type of hobby
11:50 < citronized> and that a part of the point of my website project : buil a scalemodelslibrary :)
11:51 < BartJol> but, if you collect model cars, they can better be nice
11:51 < BartJol> ah
11:51 < citronized> yeah, don't have enough $$ to buy real ones :)
11:51 < BartJol> :)
11:52 < citronized> but i have my grandfather '78 GS :)
11:52 < citronized> for now, it's far enough for me ;)
11:54 < citronized> i have a xantia too, but that's for everyday
11:54 < citronized> well, i'm gonna stop pissing u off with my cars stories :)
11:55 < BartJol> ah, well, I've gotta work too
11:55 < citronized> ;)
11:55 < citronized> maybe i see u later around ;)
11:55 < BartJol> probably
11:55 < BartJol> :)
11:55 < citronized> good work then :)
11:55 < BartJol> thanks, later
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13:49 < citronized> hi again :)
13:50 < citronized> is "Thingy" already available in beta ?
14:02 < BartJol> yeah
14:02 < BartJol> but it not yet fully done
14:03 < BartJol> s/it/it is/
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15:02 < citronized> u mean some functions aren't available ?
15:03 < BartJol> well I thought that the feature set isn't completed yet, but those that are should work
15:04 < citronized> how ca i get this beta ?
15:04 < BartJol> download it! :)
15:05 < citronized> i haven't found any links, that's why i ask :)
15:05 < BartJol> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=45293&release_id=591330
15:05 < BartJol> that is the location of the latest beta
15:05 < BartJol> 7.5.10
15:06 < BartJol> but read the gotcha file after unpacking
15:07 < citronized> oh, ok, it's included in the webgui package :)
15:07 < BartJol> yeah, probably in /data/WebGUI/docs
15:07 < citronized> i though it was  a PI or something like that :)
15:08 < BartJol> no the api can be found via the wiki
15:08 < BartJol> also very usefull
15:08 < BartJol> if you start to write your own code
15:13 < BartJol> but the gotcha contains some info on important changes that are sometimes not completely compatible
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15:19 < citronized> do you think it's possible to install this beta side to side with the stable version ?
15:20 < citronized> or do i have to trash my stable version ?
15:20 < BartJol> I think it is possible, but....
15:20 < BartJol> you need to setup another directory tree
15:21 < BartJol> and maybe there are some defaults
15:21 < BartJol> that think that the directory is /data/WebGUI
15:21 < BartJol> so that might take some time to configure
15:22 < BartJol> and it should have another ip address
15:22 < BartJol> such stuff
15:22 < citronized> erf..ok I see :)
15:23 < BartJol> you don't make live easier for yourself
15:23 < BartJol> :)
15:23 < citronized> i'll wait for the stable version then :)
15:23 < BartJol> but for older versions without the wre we have that
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15:24 < BartJol> probably when 7.5 gets stable, there also will be an upgrade path from 7.4
15:25 < citronized> which version is included in the WRE 0.8.3 package ?
15:26 < BartJol> so then there shouldn't be to many problems
15:26 < BartJol> none
15:26 < BartJol> but when you install WebGUI, it will take the latest stable (in this case 7.4.35) version
15:27 < citronized> ok, i've seen that it has dowloaded this stuff during install :)
15:27 < citronized> are upgrades easy once you've installed webgui ?
15:28 < BartJol> normally yes
15:28 < citronized> easy as is the installation or as two clicks on buttons ? :D
15:28 < BartJol> if you have many custom extra's (like in the code) that can cause trouble
15:29 < BartJol> eeh
15:29 < BartJol> well you should run the /data/wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl script
15:30 < citronized> seems fine to me :)
15:30 < BartJol> but there are also some upgrade instructions on the site
15:30 < BartJol> I would advise to read those :)
15:30 < citronized> ;)
15:31 < BartJol> I didn't do that very often with success
15:31 < BartJol> and I broke my test installation
15:31 < BartJol> so
15:32 < BartJol> still some stuff with the new JSON version
15:32 < citronized> i'm gonna try my SQL Form asset to work, this way, i won't bother u anymore with upgrades and stuff :)
15:33 < BartJol> well, glad to be some help
15:33 < citronized> ty for ur help anyway
15:34 < citronized> it's always great to be more then one in front of an issue ;)
15:34 < BartJol> have fun
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15:41 < BartJol> morning
15:41 < citronized> morning :)
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16:18 <+perlmonkey2> anyone seen the use.perl article on how fresh cpan is?  http://use.perl.org/~LaPerla/journal/36320
16:18 <+perlmonkey2> that is pretty cool.
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16:24 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:12 <@rizenisaway> MrHairgrease: in iTransact processing do you ever set a "total" amount?
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17:13 <@rizen> i'm trying to figure out where to place in-shop credit into this module. 
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> hang on
17:13 <+MrHairgrease> let me check that
17:14 <@rizen> for example, let's say i have a transaction for $20 and i have a $10 credit in the shop. i should be able to make the credit card fee only $10 then instead of the full $20
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> I I recall correctly you pass the per item price/qty to itransact
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> I'll have to check it in their docs
17:16 <+MrHairgrease> gimme a minute
17:17 <@rizen> if that's true, how do you pass in things like tax, shipping, etc
17:17 <@rizen> do you just add extra line items?
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> If you want those seperate, they'll have to be passed as separate items
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> afaik, itransact does not have a seperate tax field
17:23 <@rizen> so is the itransact module not accounting for shipping and tax costs right now?
17:23 <@rizen> if not, i'll add it while i'm in here adding the other stuff
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> let me check
17:23 <@rizen> it doesn't look like it to me
17:23 <@rizen> that's why i'm asking
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> i know
17:24 <@rizen> if you don't know, then it probably isn't
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> ok 
17:24 <+MrHairgrease> It doesn't as far as i can see
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> I thought the getPrice thing calculated the price including tax
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> but that isn't
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> hnce the confusion
17:26 <@rizen> ok thanks
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> ok, now i'm sure
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> it doesn't do it
17:27 <@rizen> alright, i'll add those in too then
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> i can add it too
17:28 <@rizen> i'm working on it right now anyway
17:28 <@rizen> for that credit stuff
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> ok, just add them as seperate items
17:28 <+MrHairgrease> question about the subscriptions
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> it used to be possible to have one subscription code referring to two subscriptions
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> but we agreed that that will not be the case anymore in the new system
17:29 <+MrHairgrease> ie. a one-to-one relationship between code<->susbscription
17:30 <+MrHairgrease> what do you want to happen if there are codes that have multiple subscriptions attached?
17:30 <@rizen> existing codes?
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:31 <@rizen> my guess is that there aren't any because you said the user interface doesn't allow for it, only the api did
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> aparently I was wrong on that
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> b/c when i tried to make a batch of codes for testing the migration script
17:31 <+MrHairgrease> it was possible
17:31 <@rizen> but if you find any then display a warning in the upgrade output AND log, and then convert them to a new code
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17:32 <@rizen> so if there are two subscriptions in the code
17:32 <@rizen> then the first one can use the code
17:32 <@rizen> and the second one gets  a new code
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17:32 <@rizen> and you let people know that in both the upgrade output (print) and in the log
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> how I have done it so far is letting assign one of the subscriptions to the code, thus discarding the other subscriptions for that code
17:36 <+MrHairgrease> creating a new code has about the same effect, since you only really wanna retain codes if you've handed them out already
17:37 <+MrHairgrease> but in that case, the person that received it doesn't know anymore where to redeem it.
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> since the code redemption is moved into the sku
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> and removed from the displayAccount screen
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> so how does creating new codes help?
17:38 <+MrHairgrease> it only complicates matters
17:39 <@rizen> no it helps
17:39 <@rizen> it helps because the store owner doesn't have to manually create the codes 
17:40 <@rizen> he's going to have to send out the codes again sure
17:40 <@rizen> but he doesn't have to manually create it
17:40 <@rizen> so give him the codes and the urls
17:40 <@rizen> then he can send out the emails
17:40 <@rizen> to distribute the new codes to people
17:41 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> another funny thing i came across: now that subscriptions are assets people without admin privs can add them.
17:42 <+MrHairgrease> So what happens if some evil content manager adds a subscriuption to the admin group and redeems a code for himself?
17:43 <@rizen> set the canAdd value of it to '3'
17:43 <@rizen> that will stop that problem
17:43 <@rizen> and if someone wants to override it, they can do so in their config
17:44 <+MrHairgrease> ok
17:44 <@rizen> good thinking though
17:44 <@rizen> i didn't even consider that
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17:50 <+MrHairgrease> ok, one final question: subscription codes are in batches which belong to subscritions
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> so now each code has a batchId
17:50 <+MrHairgrease> and each batchId has a subscriptionId
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> would it be a bad thing to add a subscriptionId to each code too?
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17:51 <+MrHairgrease> it is a form of data duplication so I left it out
18:14 <@rizen> i'll leave it to your judgement
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18:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more collateral conversion. Collateral data does not need to be removed from extra tables in purge method
18:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6313 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: collateral data does not need to be manually duplicated
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18:35 <+perlDreamer> json collateral in the asset table has lots of advantages
18:35 <+perlDreamer> no need for manual duplication or purging
18:36 <+perlDreamer> versioning
18:36 <+perlDreamer> prototyping
18:37 <@rizen> i know
18:37 <@rizen> hence my blog entry
18:37 <@rizen> =)
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18:40 < webmaster> where does the Sybase.pm file need to be and installed
18:40 <+perlDreamer> webmaster, do you mean DBD::Sybase?
18:41 < webmaster> yes
18:41 <+perlDreamer> Are you using the WRE?
18:41 < webmaster> yes
18:41 <+perlDreamer> get a root session
18:41 <+perlDreamer> source the setEnvironment script
18:41 <+perlDreamer> perl -MCPAN -e 'install DBD::Sybase'
18:41 <+perlDreamer> restart apache
18:42 <+perlDreamer> configure a database link to your sybase db
18:42 <+perlDreamer> then use it
18:42 <+perlDreamer> note that you can't use it for the default webgui database
18:42 <+perlDreamer> only for external db queries
18:43 < webmaster> i did that and i even can run a perl script to spit out my server name which is a SQL server. I create a database link in WebGUI and this is what i get
18:43 < webmaster> 2008/05/02 03:06:25 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - Log::Log4perl::Logger::__ANON__[41] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate DBD/Sybase.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/p
18:43 < webmaster> Perhaps the DBD::Sybase perl module hasn't been fully installed,
18:43 < webmaster> or perhaps the capitalisation of 'Sybase' isn't right.
18:43 < webmaster> Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Gofer, Proxy, Sponge, mysql.
18:43 < webmaster> so we moved the pm file so webgui could see it
18:43 < webmaster> got this
18:43 < webmaster> 2008/05/02 10:35:07 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: Undefined subroutine &DBD::Sybase::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm line 94.
18:43 < webmaster> gave it execute permissions and got his
18:44 < webmaster> 2008/05/02 10:38:05 - WARN - bellatrix.conf - main::[[undef]] - Couldn't call method view on asset for url: tell_a_friend/di-teacher Root cause: install_driver(Sybase) failed: Can't locate loadable object for module DBD::Sybase in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/
18:44 < webmaster> Compilation failed in require at (eval 1695) line 3.
18:44 < webmaster> Perhaps a module that DBD::Sybase requires hasn't been fully installed
18:44 < webmaster>  at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 322
18:44 <@rizen> are you sure you installed it into the right perl
18:44 <@rizen> my guess is that you installed it into your local perl rather than the wre
18:44 <+perlDreamer> yeah
18:45 <+perlDreamer> try a locate Sybase.pm
18:45 < webmaster> locate Sybase.pm
18:46 < webmaster> locate Sybase.pm
18:47 < webmaster> "/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i386-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Sybase.pm"
18:47 < webmaster> "/data/WebGUI/lib/DBIx/DBDescribe/DBD/Sybase.pm
18:47 < webmaster> "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/Bundle/DBD/Sybase.pm"
18:47 < webmaster> "/data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/Sybase.pm"
18:48 < webmaster> we manually put it into the 2 wre folders
18:48 <+perlDreamer> if you manually put it there, you probably didn't install everything that it needed
18:48 <+perlDreamer> use CPAN to install the whole thing into the WRE's perl
18:48 <+perlDreamer> just like the instructions that I gave you earlier
18:48 < webmaster> is there a certain folder i need to be in when i run the command 
18:49 <+perlDreamer> no
18:49 <+perlDreamer> just be sure that you're using the WRE's perl
18:49 <+perlDreamer> which perl
18:49 < webmaster> the "into the WRE's perl" is the part I am not clear on. 
18:49 < webmaster> how do i know i am using WRE perl
18:49 <+perlDreamer> type perl
18:49 <+perlDreamer> "type perl"
18:49 <+perlDreamer> or, "which perl"
18:50 <+perlDreamer> if it doesn't say /data/WRE.....perl, you're not using the right one
18:50 < webmaster> "/user/bin/perl" 
18:50 < webmaster> so how do i stop it and use wre
18:50 <+perlDreamer> ". /data/WRE/sbin/setEnvironment"
18:52 <+perlDreamer> the setEnvironment script will alter your path environment variable so that WRE binaries are found first, rather than system binaries
18:55 <+perlDreamer> webmaster, is that working for you?
18:57 < webmaster> Running make test
18:57 < webmaster>   Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test
18:57 < webmaster> Running make install
18:57 < webmaster>   Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install
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19:01 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I know you want this C2 stuff done, but sending a virus to keep me home from work was a little over the top.
19:03 <@rizen> damn it, i told xander to just send over a mild bacterial infection
19:04 <@rizen> xander being my evil bio-warfare henchman of course
19:08 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6314 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: update the SQL query for related Products to consider revisionDate
19:14 < webmaster> when i run the console and try to restart apache i get this Please contact me at:
19:14 < webmaster>         http://bellatrix.d214.org:60834/
19:14 < webmaster> Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 149
19:14 < webmaster> Can't write to config file /data/wre/etc/wre.conf at /data/wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm line 112
19:14 < webmaster> (13)Permission denied: httpd: could not open error log file /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log.
19:14 <+perlDreamer> rizen: in the Product, for benefits, specifications and features, it gives you a combo box of items from other products.
19:14 <+perlDreamer> this was pretty easily done with SQL
19:14 <+perlDreamer> but with JSON, not so
19:15 <+perlDreamer> should I grab the JSON with a SQL, and make the data, or instance the assets one by one to grab their JSON
19:15 <+perlDreamer> the second is better, but should be slower due to instancing the assets
19:15 <+perlDreamer> and for large sites (100,000 products) it won't be fun at all
19:16 <+perlDreamer> actually, it might be bad for either method
19:16 <+perlDreamer> now that we have prototypes, would it be okay to remove that feature from the product?
19:16 <+perlDreamer> (drop down of data from other products)?
19:17 <@rizen> what does json have to do with it
19:17 <@rizen> we're linking to other products
19:17 <@rizen> not to variants
19:17 <@rizen> oh nevermind
19:17 <@rizen> i see what you're saying
19:17 <+perlDreamer> I was converting _all_ the product collateral to JSON
19:17 <+perlDreamer> accessories, related products, specifications, benefits and features
19:17 <@rizen> just go with a text box rather than a combo
19:17 <+perlDreamer> okay
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19:32 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: product collateral to JSON?  I got the smack downt he other day for thinking about doing that.
19:33 <@preaction_> probably because i was doing the smacking
19:33 <+perlmonkey2> I thought it was rizen who said not to do that?  Was it you preaction_?
19:34 <@preaction_> it was most likely me, as i oppose it out of principle
19:34 <@rizen> perlmonkey2: i may have, but it would depend upon what you were doing
19:35 <+perlmonkey2> april 28th 11:30-ish.
19:36 <+perlmonkey2> I was thinking about moving all the attributes of questions, sections, and answers into a single JSON blob.
19:36 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: this is also a result of rizen's WebGUI version 8 post
19:36 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: you talked me out of it in case the fields needed to be queried on.
19:36 <@rizen> no that's not what you were asking me at the time
19:36 < webmaster> does it matter where my httpd.conf file is located
19:36 <@rizen> you wanted to create an asset blob to store all your asset properties in
19:37 <@rizen> you weren't talking about questions at that time, but rather switches for the asset itself
19:37 <@rizen> or at least that's what i understood you to be asking about
19:38 <+perlmonkey2> I can see where the confusion came from, but I meant options on questions and sections, not on the asset itself.
19:38 <+perlmonkey2> but collaterial.
19:38 <+perlmonkey2> collateral, even :P
19:39 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I have some fairly robust code (and tested) if you end up going that way :)
19:39 < webmaster> i get this message on the service tab of the console: WARNING: Because you are not an administrator on this machine, you will not be able to start or stop services on ports 1-1024.
19:40 <+perlDreamer> webmaster, are you logged in as root on that machine?
19:40 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I've used TEXT to store JSON for a long time, but is some trick you've learned tha tmight be worth shraing?
19:40 < webmaster> he was when he did the install
19:40 <+perlmonkey2> sharing even ?
19:41 <+perlDreamer> it's just the collateral access methods
19:41 <+perlmonkey2> oh
19:41 <+perlDreamer> I encapsulated the JSON entirely
19:41 <+perlDreamer> so that from the asset, all you deal with are perl data structures
19:41 <+perlmonkey2> ahah, that sounds pretty handy.
19:41 <+perlDreamer> check out Asset/Sku/Product.pm in the 7.5 branch
19:42 < webmaster> what permissions does webgui need
19:42 < webmaster> the services folder is owned by root
19:42 < webmaster> wre-apache is owned by webgui
19:42 < webmaster> so are the other files in the redhat folder
19:44 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: 7.5.10 doesn't have an Sku
19:44 <+perlDreamer> in SVN it does :)
20:06 <+perlDreamer> does that look better, perlmonkey2?
20:06 <+perlmonkey2> I was looking at 7.5.10beta in svn and wasn't seen it.
20:07 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm
20:07 <+perlDreamer> not the release version, the main branch
20:08 <+perlmonkey2> ah, I got confused about it being a specific 7.5, but duh, why wouldn' it be in the main branch.
20:08 <+perlDreamer> eh, I could have been more specific
20:10 <+perlDreamer> the collateral methods are getCollateral, setCollateral, deleteCollateral and moveCollateral{Up,Down}
20:10 <+perlDreamer> also, getAllCollateral and getIndexedCollateralData
20:10 <+perlmonkey2> oh man, that all needs to be moved into a higher order object so everyone can share in the fun.
20:10 <+perlmonkey2> good stuff.
20:11 <+perlmonkey2> moveCollateralDown?  What is that for?
20:11 <+perlmonkey2> I mean I know what it does, but why would you need it.
20:12 <+perlDreamer> collateral has a sequence
20:12 <+perlDreamer> so you can reorder it
20:12 <+perlDreamer> i.e. first question, next question, and so on
20:12 <+perlDreamer> so moveUp and moveDown lets you change the order
20:12 <+perlmonkey2> so your entire collateral table is a single JSON column?
20:12 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:13 <+perlDreamer> well, each asset stores its own collateral data
20:13 <+perlDreamer> in a column
20:13 <+perlDreamer> it makes cross asset queries impossible
20:17 <@rizen> it certainly has that one downside
20:18 <@rizen> but it also has the upside of better compatibility with duplicate, purge, versioning, prototypes, packages, and anything else we add in the future, like web services
20:19 <+perlDreamer> (two more collateral methods to go, benefits and features)
20:20 <+perlDreamer> after that, I'll be ready to try and convert the Commerce products over to Sku products
20:24 <+perlDreamer> rizen, I also think that the asset level collateral methods (moveMeUp, moveMeDown, deleteMe, etc.) could all be autogenerated.  I just haven't figured out how to do it yet.
20:24 <@rizen> i'm certain that's true
20:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6315 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert specification collateral to JSON
20:35 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: so each row of a json collateral object is actually N rows of that callateral object?
20:36 <+perlmonkey2> ie, and array?
20:36 <+perlmonkey2> an
20:36 <+perlDreamer> each asset has an json property, that holds JSON which is an array of hashrefs
20:37 <+perlmonkey2> no worries about scaling?  
20:37 <+perlmonkey2> if the arrays get rather large?
20:38 <+perlDreamer> how big is a MySQL mediumtext?
20:38 <@preaction_> 250,000 chars i think
20:38 <+perlDreamer> let's say that any given JSON hashref is 500 chars
20:39 <+perlDreamer> that would let the array have about 500 entries
20:39 <@preaction_> perlbot math 2 ** 24
20:39 < perlbot> 16777216
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> That's not what I mean.  As a for instance, if I did this with the survey system, to grab a specific set of sections questions and answers, I would have to grab all of them for the survey, then search for just the ones I needed.
20:39 <+perlmonkey2> every time a page was generated.
20:39 <+perlDreamer> yes, versus asking MySQL to do the same task for you
20:39 <+perlDreamer> I guess it's a race for who is quicker
20:40 <+perlDreamer> perl with data, or MySQL with rows and queries
20:40 <+perlmonkey2> I can't make a perfectly indexed table respond faster than 20ms with MySQL.  I think that is the minimum overhead to a call on a fast instance.
20:41 <+perlmonkey2> But I've worked with gigabyte hash's, referenced with URI's, and was not able to measure individual lookups as they all fell within the margin of error of 0.
20:41 <+perlDreamer> gigabyte hashes, in memory?
20:41 <+perlDreamer> wow
20:41 <+perlmonkey2> So what I'm saying, is I think your idea has much merit and scalability :)
20:41 <+perlDreamer> Honestly, I just did what rizen said to do ;)
20:42 <+perlmonkey2> Then replace "your idea" with "rizen's idea" :P
20:42 <+perlDreamer> oy, did I say it was my idea?
20:42 <+perlDreamer> that's bad.
20:42 <+perlDreamer> Sincere apologies, rizen.
20:42 <+perlmonkey2> I just assumed that, I don't think you said it?
20:46 <+perlDreamer> rizen: add easier search indexing to the list of benefits
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: What about when your asset row contains more data than your physical memory?
20:49 <+perlDreamer> do you mean ram and swap?
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> on a 512MB machine, there is ually only 150MB or so free after a wG + OS.  
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> yes
20:49 <+perlmonkey2> (my example of the survey) could easily have 150MB rows.
20:50 <+perlDreamer> hm
20:50 <+perlmonkey2> I'm trying to think of a way to break rows into chunks, but nothing comes to mind that is better than just using the DB.
20:53 <+perlDreamer> I think you'd hit the 250,000 character limit way before you hit 150 MB of memory
20:53 <+perlDreamer> but it's still a good question
20:54 <+perlDreamer> maybe answers needs to remain a table
20:54 <+perlmonkey2> 250K char limit?
20:54 <+perlmonkey2> is that a JSON limit?
20:54 <+perlDreamer> the size of the mediumtext field
20:54 <@preaction_> no, it's not 250k, its 2^24
20:55 <@preaction_> 16 million
20:55 <+perlmonkey2> 16million bits is how many variable length chars :P
20:56 <@preaction_> 16 million bytes, sure
20:56 <+perlmonkey2> oh, not bit but bytes
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21:07 < PatMcGroin> Anybody home?
21:08 <@preaction_> in a manner of speaking
21:08 < PatMcGroin> Heh- looking for help with an install problem...
21:09 < PatMcGroin> getting an errmsg:
21:09 < PatMcGroin> -su: ./wreconsole.pl: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
21:09 < PatMcGroin> Yet:
21:09 < PatMcGroin> -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar  3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl
21:10 < PatMcGroin> perl interpreter exists and seems properly permissioned....
21:10 <@preaction_> i would ask your distro, since that's your shell complaining
21:10 <@preaction_> alternatively, run the perl file using the perl interpreter directly
21:11 < PatMcGroin> Brand new install of Deb/Apache, no alias or other bleh.
21:12 < PatMcGroin> Can point it at the "real" perl, I guess...
21:12 <@preaction_> that would be a bad idea
21:12 <@preaction_> if your definition of "real" is "distro-supplied"
21:13 < PatMcGroin> Well, apt-get (plus modules)
21:16 <+perlmonkey2> PatMcGroin:  /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl -v 
21:16 < PatMcGroin> Hmmmm,
21:16 < PatMcGroin> -su: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl: No such file or directory
21:17 <+perlmonkey2> therein lies a hint.
21:18 < PatMcGroin> right, but:
21:18 < PatMcGroin> ls -al /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl
21:18 < PatMcGroin> -rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 1012132 Mar  3 15:55 /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl
21:18 <@apeiron> Corrupt FS perhaps?
21:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6316 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): convert feature collateral to JSON
21:19 <@apeiron> That's the only thing I can think of.
21:19 < PatMcGroin> Very strange...
21:19 < PatMcGroin> Brand new install....
21:19 <@apeiron> I'd fsck it to be sure.
21:19 < PatMcGroin> clean.
21:20 <+perlDreamer> PatMcGroin: Can you cd to /data/wre/prereqs/bin ?
21:21 < PatMcGroin> Yep.
21:21 <+perlDreamer> ./perl -v
21:21 < PatMcGroin> opteval:/data/wre/prereqs/bin# ./perl -v
21:22 < PatMcGroin> bash: ./perl: No such file or directory
21:22 < PatMcGroin> Weird.
21:22 < PatMcGroin> But ls -al shows all files....
21:22 <+perlDreamer> head -1 perl
21:22 <@apeiron> It really seems like a filesystem issue to me.
21:22 <@apeiron> If you can, remount the FS.
21:23 <+perlDreamer> apeiron: I sincerely hope it's the FS, or the hardware or the kernel
21:23 < PatMcGroin> head reveals the standard source "space garbage"
21:24 < PatMcGroin> Fresh install (slicehost) of Debian/Etch.  All else seems OK, but I (personally) didn't install the image, so there's room for doubt.
21:24 < PatMcGroin> Gonna re-mount, BRB
21:27 <+perlmonkey2> PatMcGroin: selinux?  permissions?
21:29 < PatMcGroin> Perms are 755 in the whole tree
21:29 < PatMcGroin> setenvironmantal runs fine
21:29 < PatMcGroin> echo $PATH:
21:29 <+perlDreamer> it's not a path problem
21:30 < PatMcGroin> Agree- path seems normal...
21:30 <+perlDreamer> it's not a permission problem
21:30 <+perlDreamer> you said earlier they were 755
21:30 <+perlDreamer> if you can't ./perl -v, then something system level is bad
21:30 < PatMcGroin> Was wondering about selinux, will try running it in a different locn.
21:33 <+perlmonkey2> PatMcGroin: setenforce 0 
21:35 < PatMcGroin> is there anything else I need to change (outside of setenvironmentals) to run from and alternate sub-directory?
21:40 < PatMcGroin> Nope.
21:41 < PatMcGroin> Gotta be something stupid and obvious that I'm just not seeing.  No alias= (hell, no .bash anything)
21:41 <@preaction_> i thought debian used dash by default now
21:41 <@apeiron> dash?
21:42 <@apeiron> Ah, derivative of ash.
21:46 < PatMcGroin> Stranger still, I can autocomplete the whole path...
21:46 <+perlDreamer> check the permissions for the whole path, starting with /data
21:46 <+perlDreamer> and make sure it isn't mounted with any funny restrictions
21:48 < PatMcGroin> 755s all the way down
21:48 < PatMcGroin> mount table looks ok too.
21:49 < PatMcGroin> Possibly corrupt tarball?
21:51 <+perlmonkey2> PatMcGroin: can you open the binary?
21:51 <+perlmonkey2> to read?
21:52 <+perlmonkey2> can you perform fs operations on it?
21:52 <+perlDreamer> he was able to head the file
21:52 <+perlmonkey2> oh
21:52 <+perlmonkey2> is it the correct binary for his OS?
21:52 <+perlDreamer> does anyone have a debian/etch WRE that could be used to generate a cksum?
21:52 <+perlDreamer> ooh, good call perlmonkey2
21:55 < PatMcGroin> Hmmmmm....
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21:55 <+perlDreamer> wait a second, here
21:55 <+perlDreamer> bopbop, kristi: which one of you is really Mrs. McCombs?
21:56 < kristi> bopbop is Mrs. McCombs
21:56 <+perlDreamer> then who are you?
21:56 < kristi> ?- well, I'm Mrs. McCombs too- got kicked out of chat room and signed back in as kristi
21:57 < PatMcGroin> So..... If I need webGUI for a 64-bit OS.....?
21:57 <+perlDreamer> maybe we'd better just verify that...
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21:57 <+perlDreamer> What movie did you kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?
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21:57 <+perlDreamer> What movie did your kids watch at JT's house the day after the 2007 WUC?
21:57 < PatMcGroin> x86_64 GNU/Linux
21:57 < kristi> me?
21:57 <+perlDreamer> you, kristi
21:57 <+perlDreamer> alledgedly
21:57 < kristi> I think it was Camelot
21:58 <+perlDreamer> ha!
21:58 <+perlDreamer> It was "Shek Too"
21:58 < kristi> oh yeah- Camelot was too scary
21:59 < kristi> SHEK TOO!!!!
22:00 < dionak> does anyone use Apache::Reload in WebGUI? 
22:00 < dionak> sounds like it might make dev easier
22:01 <+perlDreamer> dionak: I think that when the WRE is set up for devs that it is turned on for you.
22:01 <+perlDreamer> okay, kristi, I'm convinced that it's you.
22:01 < kristi> whew
22:01 <+perlDreamer> There was some guy trying to impersonate rizen the other day
22:01 < dionak> how do i switch it to dev?
22:02 <+perlDreamer> but he gave himself away when he complained about his long curly hair.
22:02 < kristi> nice- that's like me complaining about being too tall
22:02 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/configure-the-wre-for-developers
22:03 < kristi> head is constantly hitting the ceiling...
22:03 <+perlDreamer> dionak: I don't know if you can switch an existing instance.
22:04 < PatMcGroin> So no 64-bit install for WebGUI?
22:04 <+perlDreamer> kristi: and anyone with poor grammar and spelling would be a dead giveaway
22:04 < dionak> ok, thanks for the info. maybe i can just read up in the build.sh
22:04 < kristi> eye don no wutchu meen
22:06 <+perlDreamer> PatMcGroin: If there's no existing 64bit WRE, you can compile one
22:07 < PatMcGroin> Right, but the problem appears to be the 32-bit executable components in /prereq/
22:08 < PatMcGroin> Not WRE per se.
22:08 <+perlDreamer> that _is_ the WRE
22:09 <@rizen> kristi is funny
22:09 < kristi> looking
22:09 < PatMcGroin> Downloading source now.
22:09 <+perlDreamer> the WRE is the WebGUI perl modules and the binaries needed to run it, perl, apache, mysql and so on
22:09 -!- mode/#webgui [+o kristi] by rizen
22:09 <@kristi> woohoo! I'm finally red :)
22:10  * perlDreamer salutes
22:10 <+perlDreamer> Yes, ma'am!
22:10 <+perlDreamer> Writing documentation right away
22:11 < dionak> hm, i don't see Apache::Reload in the wrebuild
22:11 <+perlDreamer> The wiki says Apache2::Reload, but that may be a typo
22:11 <+perlDreamer> or the page could be out of date
22:11 < dionak> i did a grep for reload and Reload
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22:12 < dionak> oh wait. i see it in the modules...
22:12 <@rizen> dionak: apache2 reload was acciddentally removed from the wre somewhere along the way
22:12 <@rizen> i have to remember to put it back in in 0.8.4
22:12 <@rizen> i mean, removed from the config file
22:12 <@rizen> not the modules
22:13 < dionak> ok, that would explain seeing it in the modules but not the build
22:26 <+perlDreamer> rizen: there are several (4) Product templates.  To export them all as 1 package, can I make a new folder and move the templates in there?
22:26 <@rizen> i think that walmart is trying to kill me
22:26 <@rizen> sure pd
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22:55 < dionak> i'm setting up a custom lib in /data/site/clientname/lib. I edited preload.custom with the path, double checked it but the macro isn't showing up. could it be permissions?
22:56 < dionak> it's world readable
22:56 < dionak> no errors in the logs
22:56 < dionak> any ideas?
22:57 < dionak> i got apache2:reload working btw...
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23:07 <@rizen> did you also add the macro to your config file
23:07 < dionak> yes. 
23:08 < dionak> i also double checked my paths
23:08 <+perlDreamer> rizen: topsub reported a similar problem a couple of weeks ago
23:08 < dionak> yea, i don't think it was resolved. same server
23:08 < dionak> let me test a working wg macro from this dir to see if it is indeed a path issue
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23:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6317 /WebGUI/ (12 files in 6 dirs): 
23:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: zero dollar transactions
23:17 < CIA-6> WebGUI: in-shop credit applies to orders
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23:19 < Sunmaster_14> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/http-proxy-urls-mess-up-checkboxes I posted this bug 5 days ago. Can someone take a look at it?
23:21 < BartJol> sorry Sunmaster_14, i read it, but am afraid I can't help you in any constructive way
23:21 < Sunmaster_14> BartJol, ok, thanks for looking :)
23:22 <+perlDreamer> Sunmaster_14: A lot of us are busy writing the new commerce system.
23:23 < Sunmaster_14> perlDreamer, ok. I mean, I'm not trying to say "Hey everyone, drop what you're doing and look at this." Just wanted to know if anyone has had a chance to yet
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23:28 < Sunmaster_14> hola, cap10morgan 
23:28 < cap10morgan> hey
23:41 <+perlDreamer> Hey, did you guys know that you can create more than 1 alias to a macro?
23:41 <+perlDreamer> Like, if you wanted to use the International macro, you could make entries for ^International and ^Intl
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00:03 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: we need to remember to bring up the JSON collateral size limitation with rizen.
00:03 <+perlDreamer> or make a dev list posting
00:04 <+perlmonkey2> 16MB ?
00:04 <+perlmonkey2> A large blob is like 2GB
00:05 <+perlmonkey2> 4GB
00:07 <+perlDreamer> yeah
00:07 <+perlDreamer> big
00:25 <+perlmonkey2> is it *really* an issue?  instances that make it to 16GB will be rare.  So if you design with a mediumtext, then physical ram isn't an issue.
00:25 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: 
00:25 <+perlmonkey2> but if you have to go with a largetext then it might *still* not be an issue as anything handling that much traffic, is probably on some serious hardware.
00:25 <+perlmonkey2> although, having 4GB of physical ram available is still not very normal.
00:33 <+perlDreamer> no, it's pretty rare
00:33 <+perlDreamer> look at PB's hosting options
00:33 <+perlDreamer> of course, who is going to host a 160 MB survey/dataform on one of those?
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> I'm just thinking about results.  plus *every* time someone submits and answer or makes a change to the survey, the entire thing is loaded from the DB.  If it is large, that just feels ugly.
00:38 <+perlDreamer> maybe answers should continue to be kept separate
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01:03 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, preaction_: I need a bug consult, please 
01:03 <@preaction_> which bug?
01:03 <+perlDreamer> I just found it
01:03 <+perlDreamer> check out lib/WebGUI/Form/Hidden.pm
01:03 <+perlDreamer> toHtmlAsHidden
01:03 <+perlDreamer> now, suppose you want to set the value 0 as your hidden value
01:03 <+perlDreamer> what is $value in that sub?
01:04 <@preaction_> probably $self->get('value') without any quotes, special characters, or macros
01:05 <+perlDreamer> it's '', empty string
01:05 <+perlDreamer> due to the || '' at the nd
01:05 <+perlDreamer> so you can't set 0 as the hidden value
01:06 <@preaction_> it my version it's only the "name" parameter that has that || ''
01:06 <+perlDreamer> what rev are you at?
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01:06 <@preaction_> dunno, working on a client project
01:06 <+perlDreamer> 7.4?
01:07 <@preaction_> 75
01:07 <@preaction_> oh, i see, at the end of my $value
01:07 <@preaction_> that should probably be changed to a defined check
01:08 <@preaction_> or would that even be necessary?
01:08 <@apeiron> || is truth
01:08 <+perlDreamer> it's necessary if you want to use 0 as a value :)
01:08  * perlDreamer really wants 5.10 now
01:08 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Yeah, likewise.
01:09 <@apeiron> 0 or the empty string for that matter.
01:09 <+perlDreamer> from what I can ack in Form, Radio, Checkbox and Hidden are all affected
01:09 <+perlDreamer> well, empty string would give you the empty string, which is fine
01:09 <@preaction_> no, i mean checking for defined. what does $string = undef . "something"; equal? 
01:09 <+perlDreamer> something
01:09 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Empty string would still fail truth testing.
01:09 <@apeiron> perlbot, false
01:09 < perlbot> undef, 0, "", "0"
01:10 <+perlDreamer> yes apeiron, but in that case $value = '' || ''; 
01:10 <@apeiron> ah, right.
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01:10 <+perlDreamer> hey, the man himself
01:11 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I think I found a bug in the recent Form changes
01:12 <+perlDreamer> if you have time, please check out Form/Hidden, ToHtmlAsHidden, and consider if I want to set the value 0
01:20 <+perlDreamer> I have a patch that adds checking for 0 to the tests for Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, and a patch that fixes it in Hidden and Checkbox (Radio was okay).
01:25 <+perlDreamer> If I commit that patch, will I break something else?
01:26 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: it's in 7.5.10, the last released beta
01:28 <+perlDreamer> rizen: never mind.  It's much older than the recent form fixes.
01:31 <+perlDreamer> it's from rev 4152
01:31 <+perlDreamer> very, very old
01:31 <+perlDreamer> I'll commit the tests and patches
01:33 <+perlDreamer> I spent an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't edit the first product variant, #0
01:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6318 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
01:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix Hidden, Radio and Checkbox, which wouldn't allow
01:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: a value of zero to be set in them. It was translated to
01:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: the empty string.
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02:18 <+perlDreamer> rizen: all the collateral work is done
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02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6319 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): 
02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Merging in functioning variants.
02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fixed bugs in getIndexedCollateralData.
02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Added variants to the view template.
02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Updated all Product templates to display variants and controls.
02:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6320 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Help/Asset_Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): Help for the variant template variables in the Product template.
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03:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6321 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: customize some Sku methods for Product
03:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6322 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: It's okay to delete the Product Wobject now.
04:01 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: you keep saying that responses should be kept seperate.....I think you are on to something :P
04:01 <+perlDreamer> no, it's just the virus talking
04:01 <+perlDreamer> my short term memory is questionable
04:02 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: because do you know how attractive it is for to me to think of getting a request, grabbing the entire survey from a few JSON columns, and then not having to do anymore queries?  That is just too sexy.
04:03 <+perlmonkey2> could even make everything JSON enabled classes.  
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04:13  * perlDreamer shudders at an all JSON asset
04:14 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, I just mean the collateral would be objects that know how to turn themselves into/from JSON.
04:15 <+perlmonkey2> but that paradigm kind of breaks the All-In-A-Single-Object that appears to be used currently.
04:15 <+perlmonkey2> not that I'm saying that is wrong, as wG is obviously a nice piece of softwar.e
04:19 <+perlDreamer> oh, well in that case (and since I just wrote one that way), that's okay
04:21 <+perlDreamer> hm, maybe I can get MrHairgrease to tutor in me in advanced WebGUI::Product usage tomorrow.
04:22 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, I'm thinking it might be a good time to buy some Yahoo stock.
04:22 <+perlmonkey2> They were devalued by a scary statemt.
04:22 <+perlmonkey2> surely they weren't just that overvalued before the scary statement.
04:23 <+perlDreamer> I think they were pumped up by the chance of being purchased.
04:23 <+perlDreamer> and have probably returned to a normal level
04:23 <+perlmonkey2> oh, yeah.  Looks like Feb 08 is when the offer first surface.d
04:23 <+perlmonkey2> now they are back to slightly over what they were.
04:23 <+perlmonkey2> What Balmer can giveth, Balmer can taketh away.
04:24 <@apeiron> I was reading about that on some business site or another and the finance folk are talking about it with complete disregard for anything but moneymaking opportunities: nothing along the lines of personal integrity or what the purchase would actually do to the tech world.
04:25 <+perlmonkey2> it would change the internet quite a bit.  MS would have a lot more clout to spread their poison online.
04:26 <+perlDreamer> I heard that a prominent open source developer is incensed at MS's actions.
04:26 <@apeiron> This is news?
04:26 <+perlDreamer> sure :)
04:27 <+perlDreamer> i'm gonna take a break for a while
04:28 <@apeiron> Have fun, then.
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07:34 < patspam> has anyone successfully played with Survey 2.0? I've installed the WebGUI_Survey2 branch but am getting "Unknown column 'exitURL' in 'field list' when trying to add a Survey object
07:38 <+Radix-wrk> man.. if you posted that like half an hour earlier you might've got a response from perlmonkey2 (who is the one working on Survey 2.0)
07:39 <+Radix-wrk> he's honestly the best one to talk to if you have issues with Survey 2.0 at this stage
07:44 < patspam> ah bugger. ok, I'll send a note out to the dev list asking if it's usable yet
07:45 < patspam> or is there a spec/overview document floating around? I just want to check out what the planned features
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16:16 < virgomoon> I'm getting the following error in my http-error log .. "DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'userProfileData.fieldData' in 'field list' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135." .. I checked that userProfileData table and 'fieldData' isn't there .. does that sound familiar to anyone?
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16:36 < SDuensin> Morning.
16:40 < virgomoon> morning
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17:11 <+perlmonkey2> what's new today?
17:12 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer where are you?  slacker.
17:13 <+perlmonkey2> So I've never seen this in a wobject, but is there any harm in building insideout objects in a module?  Just little mini packages to abstract some data away?  
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17:47 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: Would you have a problem with me adding some helper classes to the bottom of Survey.pm?  I want to move sections,questions,answers into JSON columns in the survey table, but want some nice clean code to wrap the handling of that data in.
17:49 <@rizen> go for it
17:49 <@rizen> clean code is good
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17:58 <+snapcount> anyone know of a cpan module or built-in that is similar to the frequency function in excel?
17:58 <+snapcount> i.e., for generating histograms
18:01 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: A Mixin wouldn't be a better solution?
18:02 <@rizen> pm2 are you arguing against yourself?
18:02 <+perlmonkey2> heh, yes
18:02 <+perlmonkey2> I do that all the time.
18:02 <+perlmonkey2> If I'm spending any serious amount of money, I will debate myself forever.
18:03 <+perlmonkey2> I'm surprised I am able to ever decide anything.
18:04 <@rizen> just get it done already
18:04 <@rizen> how is that for motivation?
18:05 <+snapcount> ahh found it... nm
18:05 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: V1 is supposed to go into a real beta today.  I'm in the process of moving it to the production test machines.
18:06 <+perlmonkey2> it is getting there, even if I have to take a cattle prod to these guys, they will decide upon a feature set and stop whining.
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18:10 < doc7777> Hello friends. I have a quick theme question that has me stumped. Using the DCarter80 theme the author says to "User can easily shift color (including the logo) by linking the style template to different .css color files.".   How do you do this very thing? 
18:11 < doc7777> I usually use linux so my mind snaps to a symlink but being we are talking about a webgui theme I am clueless.  :-)
18:12 < BartJol> in the template you refer to your css file\
18:12 < BartJol> in the head section
18:13 < BartJol> just find the url of the desired colorscheme css and replace the current colorscheme css
18:13 < BartJol> it is possible there is more than one, so be a bit carefull
18:14 < doc7777> I cannot seem to edit the template. It goes to a failsafe page and when you click edit it just refreshes the page. Maybe I am in the wrong place...
18:14 <+perlmonkey2> doc7777: You'll probably have to create your own css file as a snippet.  Then link to that.
18:15 < BartJol> a, was a step further, thought that the snippets were qalready there :)
18:15 < doc7777> It has a "style" then "green, blue , orange.css" snippets.  They say to link the style to the .css. That is where I am clueless ;)
18:16 < BartJol> via what exact route are you trying to edit your template?
18:16 < doc7777> http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/theme-dcarter-80#LdAZc7SCyEj8oY62Prcylg  is the theme.
18:17 < BartJol> is your template already submitted (the version tag with the template in it, it is?)
18:18 < doc7777> Yea, and it shows on the site. Its just the theme is green when we want blue ;)   the url would be: /dcarter80_style7?func=edit
18:19 < doc7777> but that just refreshes the page you are looking at.
18:21 < BartJol> mm, having a problem with importing it, probably one of my settingsd
18:21 < BartJol> so
18:22 < BartJol> and if you go to the asset manager, you should see an object called dcarter80_style
18:22 < BartJol> ?
18:22 < doc7777> Aye I see that
18:22 < BartJol> what type is it?
18:22 < doc7777> Template
18:23 < BartJol> mmm, and if you press the according edit link?
18:23 < doc7777> When here I see a nice formated blue and white admin page: /dcarter87?func=manageAssets
18:24 < BartJol> so that's a template you can edit?
18:24 < doc7777> When I click the edit link beside the _style I get a fail safe page at /dcarter80_style7?func=edit;proceed=manageAssets listing all the dcarter files.
18:24 <+snapcount> holy crap
18:25 <+snapcount> do you guys know if perldreamers cpan id is colink?
18:25 <+snapcount> If it is him then I'm mailing a beer to Oregon
18:25 < doc7777> Clicking edit again just refreshes that same page. Seems odd. ;)
18:25 < doc7777> No idea here snap...
18:26 < BartJol> ok so that's a folder with the according css files
18:26 < BartJol> could be colin
18:26 <+snapcount> I think he's the author of Statistics::Descriptive
18:26 <+snapcount> which is a very nice module
18:26 <+snapcount> I just assumed WebGUI was his entire life =D
18:26 < BartJol> but your template, is the one you just had
18:27 <+snapcount> I'll have to ask him later
18:27 < BartJol> probably in the head section there's something like: <link href="^/;dcarter_style7/green.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
18:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6323 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Major updates to spec
18:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6324 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Major updates to spec
18:28 < BartJol> colin is a workaholic, so I assume it's quite possible
18:28 < doc7777> I have a DCarter folder with all the files in it. When I click edit beside the style it just goes to fail safe and lists the files again. Maybe it cannot parse the template?
18:30 < BartJol> you should use that template for a page, the asset manager pages are just for managing
18:30 < BartJol> and their template is not easily configured
18:31 < doc7777> hehe, yea I figured as much. I mean when I try and edit the Dcarter80_style it will not.
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18:31 < BartJol> jee , hard to tell what's going wrong, without seeing this
18:31 < BartJol> and I'm afraid I have to go
18:31 < doc7777> Yea, been working with it about an hour and I need to go to. Thanks!
18:32 < BartJol> well, then we both have to go\
18:32 < BartJol> that's a relief
18:32 < doc7777> Till then! waves
18:32 < BartJol> are you back later today?
18:32 < doc7777> sure
18:32 < BartJol> ok, i will be in 5 or 6 hours
18:32 < doc7777> bout the same here. Maybe we can resolve it then ;)
18:32 < BartJol> ok, see you latrer
18:32 < doc7777> Thank you so much for the help 
18:32 < doc7777> ok
18:33 < BartJol> no problem
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19:38 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, I can't figure out why wG is resending static files that have not been altered since their last modified date.  I'm looking at teh headers in firebug, and the headers are correct, the files should not be resent.
19:42 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Are you sure that it's wG sending them, or the browser requesting them regardless of the header settings?
19:43 <+perlmonkey2> I'm looking at the request headers which are including if-modified-since
19:43 <+perlmonkey2> which in the file I'm testing with, is two hours ago.
19:43 <+snapcount> hey perlDreamer - are you the author of Statistics::Descriptive?
19:44 <+perlDreamer> Yes
19:44 <+perlDreamer> well, maintainer
19:44 <+snapcount> you rule man
19:44 <+snapcount> I'm using that package and it saved me a ton of work
19:44 <+perlDreamer> You think so?  It's actually one of the more maligned CPAN modules out there.
19:44 <+perlDreamer> Jon Orwant hates it
19:44 <+snapcount> is there something that is supposedly better?
19:45 <+snapcount> I couldn't find anything that would allow you to do frequency distribution with specific bins
19:45 <+snapcount> except your module
19:45 <+perlDreamer> He says it's just very slow, and not well suited to an OO paradigm
19:46 <+snapcount> well it works great for me =)
19:46 <+perlDreamer> cool!
19:46 <+snapcount> now if I could find a module to generate the graph rotated 90 deg =P
19:46 <+snapcount> in text
19:47 <+snapcount> I have a bell curve on it's side lol
19:47 <+perlDreamer> well, you're working with a valid sample then :)
19:49 <+snapcount> indeed
19:58 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, For 'hating' it, Mr. Orwant hasn't said a word of such on the module review page.
20:02 <+perlDreamer> No, he just published a book with his comments :)
20:02 <+perlDreamer> and I shouldn't say hate, that's my perception of his evaluation of the module
20:04 <@apeiron> Ah, the Algorithms book?
20:04 <+perlDreamer> yes
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20:47 <+perlDreamer> dionak: did you ever find the solution to the mystery of unloadable custom macro?
20:51 < dionak> no, i haven't yet. i will return to it in the next couple of days
20:52 < dionak> i'll share what i find
20:52 < dionak> i'm busy doing project design, atm
20:53 < dionak> thanks for asking
20:55 <+perlDreamer> np.  I'm completely stumped, so I'm curious as to what the resolution is.
20:55 < dionak> i am too. it's definitely not path related, i've discovered. right now, i'm inclined to think it's a permission issue
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20:58 < lisette> hello, i need obtain the survey_responseId when the user complete the survey, how to do?
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21:03 < lisette> ?
21:04 <+perlDreamer> lisette, you need to tell us more about what you're trying to do
21:04 <+perlDreamer> do you want that in a template, or in some code?
21:07 < lisette> wait me
21:15 < lisette> ya lo hice
21:15 < lisette> a query in the table Survey_response
21:15 <+perlDreamer> by userId?
21:16 <+perlDreamer> ordered by endDate.  That should do it
21:20 <+perlmonkey2> What do you do when you ask someone a rhetorical question and they answer it incorrectly?
21:20 <+perlDreamer> laugh politely and explain what they did wrong
21:21 <+perlDreamer> No, I'm sorry.  Toilets don't swirl clockwise in Australia due to magnetic fields working on slight charged water molecules
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22:04 < lisette> orderby endDate
22:05 < lisette> desc
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22:58 < lisette> perlDreamer, the congress that there is going to have to learn how to handle the API WebGUI? or for anything else?
23:01 <+perlDreamer> lisette, the topics for the conference are all over the place.  This year, there are not many sessions about the WebGUI API.
23:01 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/wuc/schedule
23:02 <+perlDreamer> Building Advanced Workflows, URL and Content Handlers, WebGUI Search are about pieces of the API
23:03 <+perlDreamer> A lot of the conference is introducing the new WebGUI 7.5 features
23:03 <+perlDreamer> Commerce
23:03 <+perlDreamer> Thingy
23:03 <+perlDreamer> Survey 2.0
23:03 < lisette> all is in english?
23:03 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:03 < lisette> ok
23:03 < lisette> which the cost?
23:03 < lisette> which is the cost
23:03 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/wuc/registration
23:03 <+perlDreamer> $500 for two days
23:05 <+perlDreamer> The Hotel where the conference is has discount rates of $124/night, but there's also a hostel down the street.
23:05 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/wuc/hotel-information
23:05 <+perlDreamer> they'll feed you lunch at the conference each day
23:05 < lisette> The event lasts only 2 days?
23:06 <+perlDreamer> this year, yes
23:06 <+perlDreamer> last year it was 3 days long
23:06 <+perlDreamer> people voted to have more classes at the same time, but for fewer days
23:06 < preaction__> there's the designers session beforehand too
23:06 < preaction__> well, i think it's a basic tutorial for designers and content managers
23:06 <+perlDreamer> lisette was asking about coder's talks and stuff
23:07 < lisette> ok, thanks
23:11 <+perlDreamer> Does anyone know if there are still open seats for the conference?
23:11 <+perlDreamer> Last year it sold out.
23:12 < lisette> what is mean the combo?
23:12 <+perlDreamer> on the registration form?  It means to buy tickets for the workshops (which happen before the conference) and the conference itself.
23:13 <+perlDreamer> combo = combination
23:13 <+perlDreamer> combinacion
23:14 <+perlDreamer> compra boletos para la conferencia y clases addicionales
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23:15 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, when 7.5 is released, you are going to be a very busy man
23:16 < lisette> what is the different?
23:16 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: speaking of translation, is the new Survey 2.0 fully i18n'ed and documented in the help system
23:17 <+perlDreamer> entre las clases y la conferencia?
23:18 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: not yet
23:18 < BartJol> oh
23:18 < BartJol> why?
23:18 <+perlmonkey2> we're getting a V1 prelim out, and then I'll take a week to add all the V2 stuff they want and make it ready for WebGUI.
23:19 <+perlmonkey2> BartJol: there wasn't time.  
23:19 < BartJol> so all the versions that didn't come out, stack up?
23:19 <+perlmonkey2> ?
23:20 < BartJol> Am I that drunk?
23:20 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, new commerce system, new assets
23:20 < BartJol> oooh
23:20 <+perlDreamer> BartJol, there is going to be a huge work released in 7.5.11
23:20 < BartJol> pinda's
23:21 < BartJol> or peanuts...
23:23 < lisette> bye
23:23 < BartJol> when's that all going to take place?
23:23 <+perlDreamer> the end of may
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23:24 < BartJol> ah, the second week of june, i'm sailing, so I've gat 1 week then
23:26 < BartJol> that's gonna be fun
23:27 < BartJol> oh, that's my own deadline.. otherwise arabic will catch up :)
23:27 <+perlDreamer> dude, you're so far ahead of them
23:28 < BartJol> only 10 %
23:28 <+perlDreamer> but they haven't touched the translation for a long time
23:28 <+perlDreamer> a very long time
23:28 < BartJol> gotta keep my status
23:33 < BartJol> It's the only one I got :)
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00:04 < BartJol> has anybody seen citronized? I promised to help the French connection
00:07 <+perlDreamer> havent' seen him today
00:07 < BartJol> he was here 6 hours ago and would be back
00:07 < BartJol> (around this tine)
00:07 < BartJol> bu thanks
00:08 <+perlDreamer> http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2008-05.log
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00:27 < BartJol> ok, this tells myself something about maybe going to sleep, I meant doc7777
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00:39 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: Haven't seen him either
00:39 <+perlDreamer> You can go to sleep :)
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00:43 < BartJol> ah, well
00:43 < BartJol> then let's be wise, so bye!
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01:13 <+perlDreamer> hail, preaction!
01:13 <+perlDreamer> what have you been up to?
01:14 <@preaction> HAI!
01:14 <@preaction> fixing approval processes to be more easily pluggable
01:14 <+perlDreamer> japanese?
01:14 <@preaction> no, i missed the L in HAIL
01:16 <+perlDreamer> mysql++: http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/284926989/article.pl
01:25 <@apeiron> er. They decided to maintain status quo. By that logic, we should all get ++ every second we don't change. :)
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01:28 <@preaction> yeah, mysql-- and sun-- for scaring people like that
01:37 <+perlDreamer> honestly, I think that's the remarkable part of the affair
01:37 <+perlDreamer> they announced that they were going to do something bad
01:37 <+perlDreamer> realized it was bad
01:38 <+perlDreamer> then changed their minds
01:38 <+perlDreamer> the best would have been not to have done it at all
01:40 <@preaction> realized it was bad is a euphamism for "realized major amounts of money could be lost"
01:40 <+perlDreamer> good to see that the psychic link is back up :)
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03:52 < dionak> hey, if anyone knows itnomad (jack), let's have a private conversation. 
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06:04 < doc777> Anyone tried the DCarter80 theme that is in the addon section theme. It comes in 3 colors and you are supposed to be able to change it by "linking the style template to different .css color files.".   I have spent a few hours trying to figure out how to do this. If I click "edit" on the DCarter80_style it just refreshes the page and does not show an edit page. What am I missing here? 
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06:15 <+perlDreamer> doc777: BartJol was here earlier looking for you.
06:15 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan: contgratulations on your PBWG!
06:17 < doc777> Thank you, I got in a bit late. Maybe I can catch him in the morning ;)
06:17 <+perlDreamer> I'm sure he'll be back after he gets some sleep.
06:41 < doc777> Is there a way to extract files from a .wgpkg outside of webgui?
06:44 <@preaction> tar xf
06:44 <@preaction> i'm not sure if wgpkg are gzipped or not
06:44 <@preaction> either they're just tarred, or they're tarred and gzipped
06:44 < doc777> will try that, thanks!
06:45 <+perlDreamer> file .wgpkg should tell you the format
06:49 < doc777> Got it extracted. Mostly .json files so not really what I was looking for. ;)
06:52 <+perlDreamer> all the data is in there, just in JSON format
06:52 <@preaction> it's all the columns from the database
06:55 < doc777> I have a template file dcarter80_style that will not let me edit it. It has a line in it pointing to the wrong snippet but I cannot get into it to change. Either through webgui or the file system. Also cannot seem to actually just download it, edit, upload like you would do with ftp. 
06:56 < doc777> Was hoping to extract it, edit it, then upload it. But thats in a .json format and not a template so wrong turn there.
06:56 < doc777> But I did get to look into the file and find the line that needed to be changed. Just no way seeable to change it.
06:56 <@preaction> open that up in a text editor, but if it won't let you edit from the web interface, i doubt it'll let you overwrite using a package
06:57 <@preaction> did you try copying and changing your copy?
06:58 <@preaction> is it locked? does the yellow lock icon show up in the asset manager?
06:58 < doc777> Hrm, let me give that a shot. When I click "Edit" it simply refreshes the page.
06:58 <@preaction> check the error log?
06:58 <@preaction> with log level set to WARN or higher?
06:59 < doc777> It is showing "unloacked". I didnt find anything in the webgui log about it.  (unsure on how to set the log level to a higher setting)
06:59 < doc777> er unlocked....
06:59 <+perlDreamer> etc/log.conf
06:59 <@preaction> WebGUI/etc/log.conf, look for ERROR, change it to WARN
07:00 < doc777> Will do...
07:01 <@preaction> you'll have to restart the webserver afterwards, of course
07:02 < doc777> I find myself doing that a whole lot ;-)
07:07 < doc777> Aha! Thank you for the log tip. Unable to find object error. I commented out the: "templateParsers" : ["WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTML::Template::Expr"],
07:07 < doc777>  
07:07 < doc777> and it let me edit. Thank you!
07:10 <@preaction> seems like there are some errors that need to be bumped up in severity
07:13 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I suspect that the default log level could be left at warn if all the errors were set appropriately.
07:14 <@preaction> so 404 gets bumped down to info?
07:14 <@preaction> 404 is the one that shows up the most when you put loglevel warn
07:14 <+perlDreamer> 404?
07:14 <+perlDreamer> that's a httpd error
07:15 <@preaction> Asset Not Found, then
07:15 <+perlDreamer> A04
07:23 < doc777> The top of this template uses: </tmpl_if>  I am guessing that will require the Template::Expr parser or will the default do it?
07:24 <+perlDreamer> depends on what the other end of the <tmpl_if> look like
07:24 <+perlDreamer> tmpl_if is supported in both
07:24 <+perlDreamer> it's the boolean that can be different with Expr
07:26 < doc777> its a line like: <tmpl_if session.var.adminOn>  <tmpl_var controls>
07:26 < doc777> </tmpl_if>
07:26 <+perlDreamer> that will work in regular, old HTML::Template
07:26 < doc777> Great! Thank you ;)
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10:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6325 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Data Form field names changed on edit
10:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6326 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fixed: Collaboration RSS link in header doesn't indicate title
10:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6327 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (sbin/userImport.pl docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt): fixed: userImport.pl overwrites settings when updating users
10:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6328 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.36 release
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16:51 < BartJo1> grrr some people ar stupid
16:51 < BartJo1> even more than me, that is
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16:52 < BartJo1> morning to you Scott
16:56 < SDuensin> Greetings and stuff.
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17:39 < jua1> i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to ldap?
17:39 < jua1> excuseme
17:39 < jua1> can i change it to WebGUI?
17:41 < BartJo1> dunno
17:41 < Doc777> I really cant guide you on that (new myself) But I am using webGUI auth and seems fine.
17:43 < BartJo1> Doc777 already some succes with your greenbluered template]
17:43 < BartJo1> ?
17:43 < Doc777> Anyone know what makes a theme look fine when admin is on but when off the site shows failsafe? No version tag to commit.
17:44 < Doc777> Ah yes, Bart. Last night I saw someone mention setting logging to WARN so I did that and found in the log file there was an error about Template::Expr.   I commented that line out and restarted apache and it let me edit it now ;)
17:45 < BartJo1> are you sure it is the same url
17:46 < Doc777> Well it is the main url to the site. I tried clearing the cache, cleared browser cache. When logged in as Admin the template looks good. When Admin is off it is non existent and failsafe.
17:47 < BartJo1> maybe the security settings for the template are not good
17:47 < Doc777> Looked over them and they are set to Everyone view. Maybe I should reset them again for good measure.
17:48 < BartJo1> so the page and style layout are both visible for everyone?
17:49 < Doc777> Yea, who can view is set to everyone on both.
17:50 < BartJo1> well, that's one thing that is correct :)
17:50 < Doc777> Hehe, yes it is
17:51 < BartJo1> mmm, then it becomes harder to tell, thinking...
17:52 < BartJo1> I am deep thought :)
17:53 < Doc777> It's ok, it has become a quest. Restarting random things at the moment ;)
17:54 < BartJo1> just give me admin rights, so I can look :)
17:55 < BartJo1> maybe it's a function you're calling
17:55 < BartJo1> what's the template for the user function style in the settings?
17:56 < Doc777> Not sure I follow you. Let me find that ;)
17:56 < BartJo1> eeeh, it's in the settings, not sure which tab
17:57 < Doc777> If the site was actually on the web I would but it is on our LAN until complete ;-)
17:57 < BartJo1> it's in the tab UI
17:59 < Doc777> Well I set it to the same as the site but nothing seemed to change. 
17:59 < BartJo1> too bad... want more power!!
18:00 < BartJo1> mmm
18:00 < Doc777> I am sure it would help  ;)
18:01 < BartJo1> so the next thing I can think of is a strange thing in the template, which is opened in the things that are visible for admin
18:01 < BartJo1> but that would be strange
18:01 < Doc777> Possibly
18:02 < BartJo1> yeah, well
18:03 < BartJo1> that's about it, for what I can think of...
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18:04 < Doc777> That seems to be the case. I changed to another template and it worked fine. I changed back to this one and if admin is on it is fine but users see fail safe. So that has to be it. You are a genious!
18:04 < Doc777> ;)
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18:06 < BartJo1> jee, that's something new for me
18:06 < BartJo1> well then fix your template..
18:07 < Doc777> It was downloaded from the add on section but I am guessing that has to be the issue as that is the symptoms.
18:09 < dionak> which one did you download?
18:09 < Doc777> Theme: Dcarter 80
18:10 < BartJo1> but I think they have all clean url's
18:10 < BartJo1> where are they?
18:11 < BartJo1> mm that looks good, in my import
18:12 < BartJo1> i have no problems
18:12 < BartJo1> http://webgui.bartjol.nl/home
18:13 < Doc777> Maybe this is an issue: In the asset tree you have ROOT > HOME | I have a folder called ROOT > STUFF and the template is in there. When I placed it in the HOME folder it showed up in various places on the site and in the navigation and such ;)   Do you think this is the issue?
18:14 < BartJo1> it's about url's
18:14 < BartJo1> and those are fixed in the package
18:14 < BartJo1> it shouldn't matter
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18:14 < Doc777> ok
18:15 < BartJo1> mind the word shouldn't ;)
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18:16 < Doc777> Found a clue in the apache log. 404 on the .css
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18:18 < BartJo1> did you replace green with a good alternativ
18:18 < BartJo1> e
18:18 < BartJo1> eeh.... you lost one 7?!?
18:19 < BartJo1> is the css file available for everyone then?
18:19 < Doc777> Well here is the odd part. The actual snippet is called graceblue14.css and apache is looking for graceblue.css
18:20 < BartJo1> is that the url or the title?
18:21 < Doc777> The graceblue14 is the url, the graceblue is the title.
18:21 < BartJo1> and the url to the css in the template and the url of the css match I suppose..
18:22 < Doc777> From the site you can pull up /graceblue14.css and display the code. But /graceblue.css gives a 404. 
18:22 < BartJo1> but what are the security setting of graceblue14
18:22 < BartJo1> because in admin mode it does show doesn't it?
18:23 < Doc777> yea... shows fine in admin mode. Failsafe when not. Security is set to Everyone can view.
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18:26 < BartJo1> mmm getting desperate
18:26 < Doc777> I think you hit on the right thing with the url in the template. It seems it needs to be set to the actual url of the snippet. (14). That probably got thrown off by having to reinstall the theme so many times because of the Template::Expr issue. 
18:26 < Doc777> I think we are onto something as the colors are appearing ;)
18:26 < BartJo1> whoa
18:26 < Doc777> Hey thats a big thing for me ;)
18:26 < BartJo1> (small) VICTORY!
18:27 < Doc777> At last ;)
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18:28 < BartJo1> now I will sleep with a comforted heart
18:31 < Doc777> Thank you for so much help Bart. You figured it out through text. That is great! ;)
18:31 < BartJo1> well, it took me some sweat too, but it's really hot right now in the netherlands
18:32 < BartJo1> the cheeses are melting :)
18:32 < Doc777> Ack! Cant have that.
18:33 < BartJo1> we can't live without cheese, except MrHarigrease...
18:34 < Doc777> lol, yea we love it here to. East coast usa.
18:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6330 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: fixed a problem where no current asset is set
18:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6331 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/GetSyndicatedContent.pm: throw warn instead of error
18:35 < BartJo1> but now it's time to sit outside and drink a beer, only I have to find a partner in booze...
18:36 <@apeiron> BartJo1, Ship them to JT and pick them up at the WUC!
18:36 < Doc777> There ya go ;)
18:37 <@apeiron> They can work the Wisconsin cheese magic on them, too.
18:37 < BartJo1> ah
18:38 < BartJo1> well, but are how am I supposed to maintaion myself till then?
18:38 < BartJo1> wisconic cheese is also good
18:38 < BartJo1> especially with aplle py
18:38 < Doc777> Sure is!
18:38 < BartJo1> apple pie
18:40 < BartJo1> or is it Wisconsinic
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18:43 < lisette> I can know that users have been logged to date?
18:44 <@apeiron> lisette, You want to know that users have logged in on or before a specific date?
18:44 < lisette> today
18:45 <@apeiron> ah.
18:45 <@apeiron> lisette, The userLoginLog table in the DB has that info.
18:46 < lisette> thanks
18:49 < BartJo1> or in the login history in the admin console?
18:49 < lisette> how?
18:50 < BartJo1> Gebruiker (identificatie) StatusLogin tijdIP adresUser agentAdmin (3)success10:15am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14Admin (3)success10:12am 5/7/2008194.171.50.123Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; nl; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14
18:50 < BartJo1> it's dutch, but anyway
18:50 < dionak> there's an icon in the admin console
18:50 < BartJo1> go to the admin console and click on login history?
18:53 < BartJo1> and yes, I use windows... , long live steve balmer!
18:53 < BartJo1> oh eeeh
18:55 < BartJo1> so long, and thanks for all the fish
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18:58 < elnino> good morning!  This is probably a really dumb question, but I can seem to make this work.
18:59 < elnino> hold on. ..
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19:14 < elnino> does preaction=JT?
19:14 <@preaction> no
19:14 <@rizen> no
19:14 <@rizen> rizen = JT
19:14 <@rizen> preaction = Famous Rockstar
19:15 < elnino> oh.  I have  a long winded explaination of my shortcut request if you want it. =)  otherwise, it's ok if you want to close my recent RFE
19:15 <@preaction> i'm here for the atmosphere, sometimes the food's okay too
19:15 < elnino> =)
19:15 <@rizen> give it
19:15 < elnino> ok.. don't say I didnt' warn you...
19:15 < elnino> Marketing hired a translater to translates a page into about 15 different languages. Their preference is for us to post the pages as they gave them to us "as is". Which I know I can do if I had used one of those by pass directorys.
19:15 < elnino> I have choosen not do do this for the following reasons.
19:16 < elnino> Their html code was broken, and we wanted to post the pages within webgui so that marketing could modify links and the look of the site, and have that apply to these pages. And Also, as marketing already have done so, are starting to build additional pages underneath these initial pages.
19:16 < elnino> follow so far?
19:18 < elnino> So back to my request. We are tired of them giving us broken pages, and they want to see the pages on the site (as they delivered them) - so they can see how broken they are, despite our efforts in sending screen shots and explaining what needs to be fixed and that they can see these if they just tested them. 
19:18 < elnino> So I choose to compromise by posting the pages as is" by using snippets. I choose this method so that marketing can still modify the pages within webgui and create pages underneath. 
19:18 < elnino> Doing so, I found that I need to have subdirectory under each snippet for the supporting files (which I could avoid if they were posted the way I wanted to) and rather than uploading the same files 10 times over, I was hoping to use shortcuts, because no doubt they'll see their error and I will need to reupload all the files all over again.
19:18 < elnino> end-of-story
19:19 < elnino> hopefully that makes sense. but I know there are alternative methods, so I'm fine if you don't think others will want "mass shortcutting" functionality.
19:20 < elnino> but the reason why I logged on is, that is seems that the snippets (text/html)aren't picking up the conents of the sub directories, so I'm kinda scratching my head right now.
19:22 < elnino> paths in the html files they gave us are relative, so I thought the folder under the snippet would work.
19:22 <@rizen> the position in the asset tree is irrelevant
19:22 <@rizen> the url is what's relevant
19:23 <@rizen> so you can have just one folder
19:23 <@rizen> and have them all use it
19:23 <@rizen> i can't see your html,  but let's say they have a folder called "images" that they have stuff in
19:24 <@rizen> so the image tag looks like:
19:24 <@rizen> <img src="images/this.jpg">
19:24 < elnino> so if a snippet has a image with the url of:  "images/header.jpg"    does webgui append a / in front of the path?
19:24 <@rizen> no
19:24 <@rizen> let me continue
19:25 < elnino> sorry - we typed at the same time.  please continue.
19:25 <@rizen> and you have your HTML as  a snippet (containing the above tag) with a url of /foo/bar.html
19:26 <@rizen> then your images need to have a url of foo/bar/this.jpg
19:26 <@rizen> that may sound confusing, but keep in mind that WebGUI's asset tree has absolutely nothing to do with a traditional filesystem
19:27 <@rizen> the URLs are completely independent of the structure in the tree
19:27 <@rizen> back to your request for RFE
19:27 <@rizen> that's a jury rig in the best case scenario. i don't want to encourage that behavior. request denied.
19:28 <@rizen> that's as much help as i can provide for now. must get back to work.
19:28 < elnino> did you mean foo/bar/images/this.jpg?
19:28 <@rizen> no
19:28 <@rizen> bar is the .html
19:28 <@rizen> bar.html
19:28 <@rizen> foo is the folde rname
19:28 -!- rizen is now known as rizenisaway
19:28 < elnino> in the snippet the image path is "images/this.jpg:
19:32 < elnino> if anyone followed this, I do understand that placement of the images directory is irrelevant, I only placed it below the snippet so that the url of the images directory was generated automatically for me.  However, I think rizen is incorrect. 
19:33 < elnino> in his example he referenced images/this.jpg  and said the url for the image needs to be foo/bar/this.jpg. even though his example the snippet references the images using the image directory?
19:35 < elnino> it seems in his example it should be foo/bar/images/this.jpg.  Can someone confirm if that was a typo on his part?
19:36 < elnino> but for good measure, I'll try what he suggested (without the images directory in the url)
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19:45 < elnino> Another question, does webgui drop the  .html portion when it's in the middle of a url?  in rizen's example:  it should be foo/bar/this.jpg, it seems to me that it should be: foo/bar.html/this.jpg?
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19:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6332 /WebGUI/t/Shop/PayDriver.t: update defaultValue in the group field of the PayDriver definition
20:14 < topsub> Is there a way i can pull content profiling information in the search results template?
20:14 <+perlDreamer> search results template?
20:14 <+perlDreamer> you mean sql report template?
20:14 <+perlDreamer> wait, never mind
20:14 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:15 <+perlDreamer> the AOI macro
20:15 <+perlDreamer> ^AOIHits and ^AOIRank
20:16 <+perlDreamer> the SQL macro could also be used to pull the results with a custom query
20:18 <+perlDreamer> if you mean you want content profiling info associated with the search results themselves, that could be very slow since you'd be making a query per asset.  But it would work.
20:18 < topsub> well when they do a search the results that come back we want to add the content profiling informatin into the template with the results
20:19 < topsub> so you will see the File name + content profiling information as a list.  If that makes sence
20:19 < dionak> he's just saying that would work but be slower
20:20 < dionak> i guess that the amount of overhead would be directly related to the number of results in a search query
20:20 < topsub> ah alright i will give it a shot
20:20 < dionak> and the number of subsequent queries to retrieve the content profile data
20:21 < elnino> rizen - can't get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others Thank you for your time.
20:22 <+perlDreamer> dionak: when you said unused variables in your email, do you mean existing template variables that aren't used (but could be) or template variables that are never used?
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20:26 < dionak> the post indicated, to me at least, that some variables were discovered in the templates to never be used. i was thinking i would need to verify that..
20:26 < dionak> i really haven't looked
20:27 < dionak> but i'm pretty good at reverse engineering. 
20:27 < dionak> plus, i figured i could ask you guys ;)
20:28 <+perlDreamer> rizen has found that the more template variables, the slower the render and higher the memory usage
20:28 <+perlDreamer> so removing those we can would be great
20:29 < dionak> ah, good. 
20:29 <+perlDreamer> there was even a plan in place at one time to remove replace i18n labels with i18n macro calls
20:29 <+perlDreamer> since they're still faster than making template variables
20:29 <+perlDreamer> and only the ones used are called
20:29 <+perlDreamer> but I don't know where those plans lie now
20:29 <+perlDreamer> I'm guessing they take a back seat to C2
20:30 < dionak> i'm sure they do. commerce seems to be rolling along well from the comments we see
20:30 <+perlDreamer> there's a lot of progress being made, but it's a huge project
20:30 < dionak> it sounds to me like the main goal would be to clean up the templates, make them more standard and accessible via css
20:30 -!- rizenisaway is now known as rizen
20:30 < dionak> yes, it certainly is. 
20:31 < dionak> i'm looking forward to seeing the end result, and i'm sure others are too. especially the devs.
20:32 < dionak> are you working on that project at all?
20:32 <+perlDreamer> yes
20:32 <+perlDreamer> I'm building the product
20:32 < dionak> what part are you working on?
20:32 < dionak> just curious
20:32 <+perlDreamer> and translating old products (asset based and commerce based) to the new Sku based product
20:33 <+perlDreamer> plus testing, I wrote the Shipping drivers, the tax system and some other small things
20:33 <+perlmonkey2> khenn: just want to verify this is you before giving that info out.  This is IRC after all.
20:33 <@khenn> yes it's me
20:33 <@khenn> =)
20:33 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: khenn is who you expect him to be
20:33 <+perlDreamer> it's the right IP address and username
20:33 <+perlmonkey2> heh
20:33 <@khenn> pd keeps track of these things!
20:34 < dionak> are people posing as other people?
20:34 <@khenn> he knows our IPs!!!
20:34 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: knowing my ip.  That scares me.
20:34 <+perlDreamer> plus, I have a backup
20:34 <+perlDreamer> khenn: which SQL query did you and I disagree over in the In/Out board?
20:35 <@khenn> heh I don't remember
20:36 <@khenn> what was that, a year ago or more?
20:36 <+perlDreamer> three
20:37 <+perlDreamer> I'm surprised y'all have kept me around that long :)
20:37 <+perlDreamer> dionak: there's no one posing as other people so far
20:38 <+perlDreamer> although someone named BugCrusherMcgirk has tried to impersonate rizen a few times
20:38 < dionak> so far... :)
20:39 <+perlDreamer> and people have tried to come back and be beligerent using other aliases
20:39 <+perlDreamer> iPhoneGuy == maxScience
20:39 <+perlDreamer> and some other alias, too, iirc
20:41 -!- rizen is now known as BugSlasherMcGurk
20:41 < dionak> lol!
20:41 <+perlDreamer> he's back!
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20:43 <+perlDreamer> BugSlasherMcGurk: I don't see any better way to convert Commerce products into Sku products than instancing them one by one.  It's going to be slow.
20:44 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> which side are you instanciating?
20:44 <+perlDreamer> Commerce
20:44 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> you can instanciate the new sku, but noth the other sides
20:45 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> here's the reason
20:45 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> the upgrade will run once per site
20:45 <+perlDreamer> oh crap
20:45 <+perlDreamer> okay
20:45 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> and in one of those upgrade the commerce files will be deleted
20:45 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> then the subsequent ones won't work
20:46 <+perlDreamer> okay, back to the drawing board (SQL) then
20:47 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> sorry man
20:47 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> for the record, i don't mind slow
20:47 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> just can't have break
20:47 <+perlDreamer> indeed
20:47 <@BugSlasherMcGurk> 10 points who can tell me who Slasher McGurk is without looking on google or any other site
20:47 <+perlDreamer> I'll just blame you for my faulty thinking, due to the bacterial infection you sent me.
20:47 -!- BugSlasherMcGurk is now known as rizen
20:48 <@rizen> i said i was sorry about that
20:48 <@rizen> my assistant screwed up the order
20:48 <+perlDreamer> I get less forgiving when I'm sick
20:50 <@rizen> i haven't gotten anything good done on shop  in the past two because i've been up at night nursing sick servers
20:50 <+perlDreamer> uh oh
20:50 <@rizen> there are at least 2 servers that are not on my christmas card list anymore
20:50 <+perlDreamer> hardware problems?
20:50 <@rizen> preaction is right there with me...i don't know how he's still awake
20:50 <@rizen> =)
20:50 <@rizen> software problems
20:50 <@rizen> that are being really hard to diagnose
20:51 <@preaction> caffiene pill every morning, i'll probably end up crashing around 5:00p
21:15 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease write beautiful perl code
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21:36 < elnino> rizen - I wasn't able to get what you suggested to work with your actual given url examples. I agree my particular case is a juryrig, and that's fine if you deny the request. I only offered it as a RFE incase it would be helpful to others. Thank you for your time. Much appreciated.
21:53 < elnino> no underlying apology and I didn't take anything personally =) thanks though. I know he's always working on webgui to make it even better and I totally understand that you guys have to keep focused on higher priority RFEs and bug reports.  I just wish people would use webgui more, it seems it's more popular in england, why would that be? you're based in WI, right? 
21:53 <+perlDreamer> I'm basedin Portland, Oregon.  The Plain Black staff are based out of Wisconsin.
21:54 <@apeiron> ... mostly
21:54 <+perlDreamer> mostly?
21:54 <+perlDreamer> well, Steve is in Texas
21:54 <@apeiron> <-- Pennsylvania
21:54 <+perlDreamer> Pennsylvania?
21:54 <@apeiron> Aye.
21:55 <+perlDreamer> Tavis is in Michigan?
21:56 < elnino> <-- Minnesota (hiring?)
21:56 <+perlDreamer> hiring?
21:57 < elnino> [are you] hiring?  =)
21:57 <+perlDreamer> I wish
21:57 <+perlDreamer> Plain Black does have a request open for a programmer.
21:58 <+perlDreamer> It's on their site
21:58 <@rizen> elnino
21:58 <@rizen> http://beta.webgui.org/demo1210186440_29/foo
21:59 <@khenn> yeah PD, when are you finally going to turn us into $dayJob? =p
21:59 <@rizen> i built the example i was telling you about
21:59 <@rizen> we can't hire perlDreamer
21:59 <@rizen> he doesn't live in Wisconsin
21:59 <@rizen> remember, we're firing everyone not from wisconsin
21:59 <@rizen> =)
22:00 <@apeiron> wait, wait
22:00 < elnino> hmm. I'm SO close to quiting my job.  nice people, but.... 
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22:00 <@apeiron> khenn, You're *from* Illinois right?
22:00 <@khenn> no
22:00 <@khenn> wisconsin
22:00 <@apeiron> Oh, thought you'd moved.
22:00 <@rizen> he was born in wisconsin
22:00 <@rizen> lived all over
22:00 <@rizen> and came back to wisconsin
22:00 <@rizen> to die
22:00 <@rizen> =)
22:00 <@khenn> I lived in Illinois until I came to work for JT the slave driver
22:01 <@rizen> cuz frank is so OOOLD
22:01 <@rizen> he has gray hair
22:01 <+perlDreamer> I'm older than all of you, so be careful
22:01 <@khenn> not at the moment I don't =p
22:01 <+perlDreamer> and mind your elders
22:01 <@rizen> and his whole body is covered in wrinkles and liver spots
22:01 <@rizen> at least that's what his wife tells me
22:02 < elnino> rizen: You set it up exactly like I originally did. From what I can tell your example has  the url of the image was foo/bar/images/this.jpg.  I must have had something else going on. No worries about this, I'm going back to do it the way I should have done it the first time around.
22:02 <@rizen> no
22:02 <@rizen> my image is foo/images/this.jpg
22:02 <@rizen> no bar
22:03 <@rizen> elnino
22:03 <@rizen> feel free to log in and play around
22:03 <@rizen> i set that beta site up for you
22:03 < elnino> oh good grief. I get it..  
22:03 <@rizen> it will last for 24 hours
22:03 < elnino> Thank you.... no need....
22:04  * rizen things elnino should come to the WUC
22:04 <@rizen> s/thing/think/
22:04 <+perlDreamer> indeed
22:04 <+perlDreamer> I think she said she applied to come
22:04 < elnino> I'm working on it...  boss never replied.
22:04 <+perlDreamer> bosses
22:04 < elnino> still looking for money I guess.
22:04 <+perlDreamer> did you find a babysitter?
22:04 <@rizen> do you work at U of M ?
22:05 < elnino> rizen: not to beat a dead horse, but your initial example said:  foo/bar/this.jpg
22:05 < elnino> =)
22:05 <@rizen> sue me
22:05 < elnino> We found a daycare center that would be willing to do only a week.
22:05 <@rizen> i was in a hurry
22:05 <@rizen> and you get what you pay for =)
22:06 < elnino> obviously.... nope, I dont' work at the UofM.  Small manufacturing.
22:06 < elnino> company.
22:06 <@rizen> i hear that U of M law department is setting up a WebGUI user group
22:06 <@rizen> email tavis@plainblack.com if you'd like to be introduced to them
22:07 < elnino> computer manufacturing.
22:08 < elnino> thanks for the headsup on UofM.
22:12 < elnino> rizen: works like a charm, thanks for being patient. You can certainly close and delte my RFE. =) I was seriously having a brain fart.
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22:17 <+perlDreamer> rizen: commerce conversion 95% done.  I just need to build a short description for the variants.
22:17 <+perlDreamer> after lunch
22:22 <@rizen> nice doood
22:22 <@rizen> wish i could say the same for the rest of the shop
22:22 <@rizen> oh crap..i'm late. gotta go
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22:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: meatbop * r6333 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (Shelf.gif small/Shelf.gif): Added Shelf icons
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22:40 < jua1> i have too many users with ldap authentication, can i change it to WebGUI?
22:44 <+perlDreamer> each user's authentication method can be set in 1 of 2 ways
22:44 <+perlDreamer> 1) From the Users screen in the Admin console
22:44 <+perlDreamer> 2) Doing it manually in the db
22:44 <+perlDreamer> but you'll need to transfer their password over to the webgui db
22:45 < jua1> in the admin console, i have changed it to webgui
22:46 < jua1> i am checking in the users table and all of them have ldap authentication
22:48 < jua1> if i alter the table to WebGUI, have to transfer their password from ldap to webgui?
22:48 <+perlDreamer> yes
22:50 < jua1> if a user has ldap authentication the password is always in ldap, webgui doesn't syncronize the password
22:51 <+perlDreamer> I believe that to be true.  You can always check the table called authentication to check that.
22:52 < jua1> ok
22:52 < jua1> if in the table authentication is the password, the only thing that i need to do is alter the table users
22:53 <@preaction> jua1, no, the authentication table has a particular setup that will require you to edit it.
22:55 < jua1> yes, i am checking
22:55 < jua1> thanks
22:59 < jua1> is more easy to delete all of them and create again using the userimport.pl
23:07 < jua1> can i do that, if i have the users associated to groups?
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23:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6334 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): add more help about shortdesc length, and use the correct form option to set the length to 30 chars
23:50 <+perlDreamer> yay!  Commerce conversion done!
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00:05 < lisette> i do a UserImport with the userImport.pl but i forget put the parameter allowChangePass, i need allow to user to change the password, how to do this?
00:06 <+perlDreamer> you could redo the userImport
00:06 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6335 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: conversion of Commerce products to Sku products done
00:06 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6336 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: clean up the old Commerce tables, and close a statement handle
00:07 <+perlDreamer> otherwise, the data is stored in the authentication table;
00:09 <+perlDreamer> update authentication set fieldData=1 where fieldName='changePassword';
00:09 < lisette> thanks
00:09 <+perlDreamer> note that that does it for all users
00:09 < lisette> yes
00:20 <+perlDreamer> good night, preaction
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00:29 < Doc777> Question: I have a flashchat php app installed in a passthrough at ct/flashchat.php. It works great calling it by url. When I try and add this in a http proxy it attached http:// to the link and therefore breaks it. Is there a work around for something like this?
00:29 <+perlDreamer> Doc777: Use the complete url, including the sitename
00:30 <+perlDreamer> of course, one could ask why you'd want to proxy a piece of webgui back into WebGUI
00:31 < Doc777> This is on a vserver which local address is not the same as the DNS address. It uses NAT so not that easy. The reason I am trying to do this is that flashchat is a php app that does not run in webgui? At least I cannot seem to make it do so... So I added a passthru to allow it to run on its on and would like to include it in a page....
00:32 <+perlDreamer> ah, good point
00:32 < Doc777> Pulling up the flashchat.php works great.... But I would love to integrate it into the site.
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00:39 < lisette> as I do a load of users with userImport.pl with e-mail each user?
00:41 <+perlDreamer> it will not send email to the users as you do a new userImport
00:41 < lisette> no
00:42 < lisette> i need register the user with the e-mail, but the e-mail isn't part of the information of user, is the profile
00:42 <+perlDreamer> you can add userProfile fields to the data that you send to userImport.pl
00:43 < lisette> like a column?
00:43 <+perlDreamer> "In addition to the field names above, you may use any valid profile field name."
00:43 <+perlDreamer> yes
00:43 < lisette> thanks
00:43 <+perlDreamer> name the column the same as the userProfile field
00:45 < lisette> i try insert a email with point example: david.algo@algo.com, and this field don't save, why?
00:45 <@preaction> anyone else having trouble committing content on latest SVN?
00:46 <+perlDreamer> preaction: since I think I committed the latest SVN, I would say no
00:46 <+perlDreamer> but I'll try again
00:46 <+perlDreamer> just committed 6337
00:47 <@preaction> so spectre and committing version tags worked fine?
00:47 < lisette> i do this by the administrator console
00:47 <+perlDreamer> haven't tried that
00:47 <+perlDreamer> preaction: manual commit or autocommit?
00:48 <@preaction> auto, as default
00:48 <@preaction> if the problem is what i think it is, though, it shouldn't matter
00:49 <+perlDreamer> edited the Welcome article
00:49 <+perlDreamer> content was accepted
00:49 <+perlDreamer> no version tag showing
00:49 <+perlDreamer> (in the adminBar)
00:50 <+perlDreamer> no lock icon in the edit bar
00:50 <+perlDreamer> what should I be looking for/attempting to do exactly?
00:50 <+perlDreamer> and I'm fully up to date, with the exception of the shelf icons from Steve today
00:51 <@preaction> i'm seeing it get committed, and then the activity seems to return "undefined", which causes problems
00:52 <+perlDreamer> with autocommit, do you need to have spectre actually running?
00:52  * perlDreamer begins to feel foolish
00:52 <@preaction> yes
00:52 <@preaction> there's a new twist: there are no realtime workflows anymore
00:53 <@preaction> all workflows are assumed to be realtime until they take too long, then they're handed off to spectre
00:53 <@preaction> i don't know how that works, but that's what happens
00:53 <+perlDreamer> I'll start spectre, and try again
00:53 <+perlDreamer> what direct symptom am I looking for?
00:53 <@preaction> i don't know how activities are supposed to handle running for 10 seconds, getting stopped, and then starting again when spectre gets to them, but that's what happens
00:53 <@preaction> your content doesn't show up
00:54 <+perlDreamer> okay, spectre up
00:54 <@preaction> the log file, in INFO mode, shows 4 lines: Trying to execute, Completed Activity for Workflow, Could not complete workflow instance in real time, and then Something bad happened
00:55 <+perlDreamer> that's not what I got
00:55 <+perlDreamer> I got my content, and this in the WebGUI.log file
00:55 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6337 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: prep code for removing the Product macro from webgui.conf file
00:55 <@preaction> then it's something over here
00:55 <+perlDreamer> 2008/05/07 14:47:03 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - ADMIN: Couldn't connect to WebGUI site mywebgui.conf at http://mywebgui.localdomain:80/?op=spectreGetSiteData.  Response: 500 read timeout
00:55 <@preaction> that's a problem, but not the same problem
00:55 <@preaction> it would hide the problem i'm seeing though
00:56 <@preaction> also, now there's a problem in the upgrade script. a misspelling of a table name i think
00:56 <@preaction> DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown table 'productparameteroptionss' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135.
00:57 <+perlDreamer> that sounds like something I wrote
00:57 <+perlDreamer> are you up to date?
00:57 <@preaction> yes
00:57 <+perlDreamer> hm
00:58 <+perlDreamer> a table by that name exists, with camel case
00:59 <+perlDreamer> instead of all lower case
00:59 <+perlDreamer> and one fewer s
00:59 <@preaction> the extra S at the end perhaps?
01:00 <+perlDreamer> argh
01:00 <+perlDreamer> sorry, man
01:00 <@preaction> np
01:00 <@preaction> i still have the other issue probably
01:01 <+perlDreamer> I'll figure out why spectre can't talk to my site
01:01 <+perlDreamer> and maybe I'll be able to duplicate your problem
01:02 <+perlDreamer> committed a fix for that typo
01:04 <+perlDreamer> okay, weird
01:04 <+perlDreamer> spectre --test says everything is okay
01:05 <@preaction> weird indeed
01:05 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI's spectre screen says everything is okay
01:05 <+perlDreamer> but webgui.log is filling up with 2008/05/07 14:53:59 - ERROR - spectre.conf - POE::Kernel::_dispatch_event[970] - WORKFLOW: Something bad happened on the return of mywebgui.localdomain - 5uhHUs8Xqsl2YHe6P5M6KA. <HTML>
01:06 <@preaction> i think i figured out my problem, i was setting a defaultVersionTagWorkflow that doesn't exist anymore
01:06 <@preaction> but i'm testing
01:06 <@preaction> did you restart spectre too?
01:06 <+perlDreamer> I'm rebuilding the site from scratch to make sure the script works right
01:06 <+perlDreamer> and translating the commerce takes a while
01:06 <+perlDreamer> 3-4 minutes for 838 products
01:07 <+perlDreamer> Tiffany was kind enough to donate some real-life product data for me to test converting
01:08 <@preaction> nice
01:08 <@preaction> nevermind though, it's working now
01:08 <+perlDreamer> oh, good
01:08 <+perlDreamer> want to fix my site next?
01:08 <+perlDreamer> =)
01:10 <@preaction> $50
01:11 <@apeiron> opera-- # apparently completely valid XHTML Strict 1.0 isn't good enough for it
01:13 <+perlDreamer> mine seems to be working now as well
01:14 <+perlDreamer> why isn't my computer smart enough to know that "ate" really means "date"?
01:15 <+perlDreamer> lisette: about your earlier email address problem.  Could you please repeat what's going on?
01:20 < jua1> perlDreamer, lisette is not in the office now but i know the problem
01:20 <+perlDreamer> okay
01:20 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6338 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: fix a typo in the name of a Commerce table to be dropped
01:21 < jua1> the problem is, i want to add a user in the admin console and my username name is like juan.gallego and the email will be juan.gallego@algo.com
01:22 <+perlDreamer> okay, and it's not working?
01:22 < jua1> yes
01:22 <+perlDreamer> it could be 1 of 2 problems
01:22 <+perlDreamer> 1) emails are required to be unique, so someone else may have that email
01:23 < jua1> then i try to edit the profile and the email doesn't exist
01:23 <+perlDreamer> 2) more likely, there is a bug in the email validation code that is rejecting the email address
01:24 < jua1> i am going to check in the database
01:25 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/email-field-not-accepting-addresses-with-periods-in-them#BL40GDFp4xSv6D3OEwz7iQ
01:26 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: has the "dot in email address" fix been ported to 7.5?
01:26 <@Haarg> i believe so
01:27 <@Haarg> hmm
01:27 <@Haarg> doesn't look like it
01:27 <+perlDreamer> jua1: this bug was fixed in WebGUI 7.4.34
01:27 < jua1> ok
01:27 <+perlDreamer> are you using 7.4, or 7.5?
01:28 <+perlDreamer> becuase the next 7.5 fix won't be out for 3 more weeks
01:28 < jua1> 7.4.32
01:28 <+perlDreamer> okay, I would recommend upgrading, then
01:28 < jua1> ok
01:28 < jua1> thanks
01:29 <+perlDreamer> Don't thank me yet, we don't know for sure that it will fix your problem
01:29 <+perlDreamer> Pero yo espero que si
01:30 < jua1> eso espero
01:30 < jua1> que si
01:30 <+perlDreamer> thank you
01:37 <+perlDreamer> jau1: in that sentence, is "espero" a noun or a verb?
01:42 < jua1> el verbo es esperar
01:44 < jua1> en la setencia es un noun
01:44 < jua1> when I am saying espero is in that setence is because i have a certain security that the upgrade can correct the errors
01:44 <+perlDreamer> I understand.  You weren't correcting what I was saying.
01:45 < jua1> instead of the verb esperar that is the time while the upgrade is executed
01:48 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6339 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Form/Email.t: back port additional email address tests
01:48 < jua1> is clear?
01:49 <+perlDreamer> I think so
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02:08 < Doc777> Anyone know how I can remove the site name text off the top of the site? I have my own graphic there but the site name text displays over the top ;)
02:09 <+perlDreamer> Doc777: that would be in your style template
02:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6340 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: begin documenting the Product changes in the gotchas.txt file
02:10 < Doc777> Thank you. Digging through that but does not seem to be there, at least that I can find... Maybe it is obfusacated ;)
02:10 <@preaction> it's the ^c; macro, the CompanyName macro
02:11 < Doc777> Something like this one: <h1>^H(^c(););</h1>   ?
02:12 < Doc777> Yep, I would have never guessed that was the site name ;)
02:12 <@preaction> probably
02:12 <@preaction> ^H; for the home page link, ^c; for the company name
02:12 <+perlDreamer> Doc777: You can find out what macros mean in your website by using the Help system
02:12 <+perlDreamer> Go to the Help icon in the admin console
02:12 <+perlDreamer> and choose List of macros
02:13 <+perlDreamer> it will tell you the name and shortcut for all macros on your site
02:13 < Doc777> Aye but what stumped me was looking for the site name in a lot of code. When actually I was looking for ^c.
02:16 <+perlDreamer> preaction: I need to talk through an idea.  Do you have 5-10 minutes?
02:16 <@preaction> sure
02:16 <+perlDreamer> so I'm working on the C2 update
02:16 <+perlDreamer> In C2, instead of the Product macro, you use the AssetProxy macro instead
02:17 <@preaction> ok
02:17 <@preaction> I thought Skus were assets now, do we need AssetProxy at all?
02:17 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:17 <+perlDreamer> all existing Commerce products are dropped into a folder off of root
02:18 <+perlDreamer> and during the conversion, assets that use them (article, snippet, layout and template) need to be converted to use the AssetProxy macro instead
02:18 <@preaction> so assetproxy is just needed as a conversion, in the future we won't really NEED it
02:18 <@preaction> but okay
02:18 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:19 <+perlDreamer> if you want to display the same product on two pages, you still need AssetProxy
02:19 <+perlDreamer> but really, you should be using Shelf
02:19 <+perlDreamer> so during the upgrade, we don't shut down all the WebGUI commerce sites in the world :)
02:19 <+perlDreamer> So I need to go through that list of assets
02:19 <+perlDreamer> and it would be really easy to do it in the db
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02:20 <+perlDreamer> but I'm wondering if it would be better to do through the API
02:20 <+perlDreamer> and actually register a version change
02:20 <@preaction> but if they rolled back the version, their asset would break
02:20 <@preaction> it wouldn't work as they expected it to
02:21 <+perlDreamer> yes, since it would go back to using the Product macro
02:21 <+perlDreamer> so you think it would be better to update all revisions of the asset, using the db?
02:22 <@preaction> i think it would be faster, easier, and work just as well
02:23 <+perlDreamer> it would also allow all the wobjects to be handled in one fell swoop
02:23 <+perlDreamer> okay, db it is
02:24 <+perlDreamer> thanks, preaction
02:24 <@preaction> np
02:24 <+perlDreamer> I wish you and rizen lots of luck with your recalcitrant servers
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02:25 <@preaction> i'm currently coming up with a method to send bolts of electricity over TCP/IP
02:26 <+perlDreamer> I'd recommend using POE instead
02:26 <+perlDreamer> much safer
02:26 <+perlDreamer> although somewhat limited in quantity of power
02:26 <+perlDreamer> how much electricity are we talking about here?
02:26 <@preaction> enough to shut the system up
02:26 <@preaction> make it think long and hard about what it did
02:26 <+perlDreamer> I see, you want a voltage paddle
02:27 <@preaction> enough so that it does not do it again
02:27 <+perlDreamer> send it to its room for a timeout?
02:27 <@preaction> call it spareNotTheRod.pl
02:27 <@preaction> or just TheRod
02:28 <+perlDreamer> if we could get a lot of cats, wearing wool socks walking across a carpet...
02:30 <+perlDreamer> It's pretty hard, but not impossible to do, with servers on UPSes
02:31 <+perlDreamer> the UPSes also act as surge suppressors (big caps)
02:31 <+perlDreamer> you'd need to do it right at the machine
02:31 <@preaction> that's why we'd have to go in through the network cables
02:31 <@preaction> they'd never suspect it
02:31 <+perlDreamer> the network cables are only good for maybe 10W
02:31 <+perlDreamer> the server would laugh at that
02:32 <@preaction> damn...
02:32 <@preaction> can't spank it and not mean it, it'll get even more unruly...
02:32 <+perlDreamer> yeah
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03:51 < cap10morgan> perlDreamer: thanks for the congrats last night :) didn't see it until this morning.
03:59 <+Radix-wrk> nice interview cap10morgan - but i have to ask.. why pose with a barbie basketball? :)
03:59 < cap10morgan> Radix-wrk: because it's there?
04:00 <+Radix-wrk> it looks like you're showing it off ;)
04:00 <+Radix-wrk> congrats on the nomination tho :)
04:03 < cap10morgan> oh, i am ;)
04:03 < cap10morgan> thanks!
04:03 <+Radix-wrk> heh
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04:17 <+perlDreamer> cap10morgan: you're welcome.  Keep up the good work!
04:18 < cap10morgan> thanks! :)
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05:04 <+perlDreamer> and there's 2/3 of the Product macro conversion done
05:04 <+perlDreamer> man I'm getting tired
05:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6341 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
05:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update all Wobjects, and snippets from using the Product
05:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Macro to using AssetProxy. The loadProductAsset.pl script is
05:10 < CIA-6> WebGUI: for testing the conversion.
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06:01 <+perlDreamer> yo, khenn
06:02 <@khenn> what's up dreamer?
06:02 <+perlDreamer> have you applied/checked my patch yet?
06:02 <@khenn> sent it off to the client.  No word yet
06:02 <@khenn> I assume all is well
06:02 <+perlDreamer> I tested it, but it's always nice to have other experienced eyes
06:02 <@khenn> we'll follow up at some point this week
06:02 <+perlDreamer> cool
06:03 <+perlDreamer> so what's keeping you busy nowadays?
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06:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6342 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): add templates to the mix. Product macro template scan and update done
06:37 < pilaf153> To run a cascading menu that is a mouseover do you have to use java or are there macros or packages out there that can do this?
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06:42 <+perlDreamer> pilaf153: I'd recommend looking at the existing Navigation templates, and the Add Ons section at webgui.org
06:44 < pilaf153> I have been looking through them but cant seem to find one that does what I need.  I will keep looking though.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> I haven't looked into this for a while, but I seem to remember that Cool Menus will do that.
06:49 <+perlDreamer> yeah, Cool Menu is the one
06:49 < pilaf153> that is one that already exists in the install?  I am positive I tried all of them.  
06:50 <+perlDreamer> Yes, it's in the install
06:50 <+perlDreamer> I've tried it out in the Demo site
06:50 < pilaf153> I will check it again does it need any modification
06:50 <+perlDreamer> http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1210215898_777/site_map/site_map2
06:50 <+perlDreamer> it needs to be customized for your style
06:50 <+perlDreamer> the one I have is just the default
06:51 <+perlDreamer> It's the big green "Home" box in the middle of the banner
06:51 < pilaf153> ok
06:53 < pilaf153> ok I wll play with it and see if I can make it work.  Thanks for the info
06:54 <+perlDreamer> this add on may be of interest as well: http://www.webgui.org/user_contributions/user_contributions/packages/accordianstyle-menu-using-jquery--v7_4_30-#jcL74yZTdMuc7SYgvc_j-Q
06:55 < pilaf153> yeah I tried installing this in the latest version and it wasnt wokring
06:55 <+perlDreamer> which latest?  7.5 or 7.4?
06:57 < pilaf153> 7.5
06:57 <+perlDreamer> topsub seems to be good about taking care of his add ons
06:58 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't doubt he'll be looking at it soon
06:58 <+perlDreamer> you _could_ come back tomorrow during the day (East code American time) and ask him in the channel
06:58 < pilaf153> cool
06:59 < pilaf153> thanks for all the help. I am out for now
06:59 <+perlDreamer> you're welcome
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16:38 < SDuensin> Morning
16:42 < BartJo3> good afternoon gentlemen
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16:44 <+perlmonkey2> good afternoon.
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17:04 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6343 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: Added randomize answers functionality (how was this missing?)
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17:09 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
17:09 < BartJo2> hi
17:11 < SquOnk> rizen: You there?
17:12 <@rizen> no
17:12 < SquOnk> Heh
17:12 < SquOnk> rizen: Just to let you know... My sponsor has given the A-OK to the webgui package...
17:12 <@rizen> wahoo!!!!
17:12 <@rizen> So this will be going into Lenny for sure then?
17:12 < SquOnk> rizen: ...I just got mail from the debian-volatile team. They coordinate the way upgrades are handled for packages such as webgui
17:13 < SquOnk> rizen: Yes. Target is Lenny and it will be there.
17:13 <@rizen> WAHOOOO!!!!
17:13 < SquOnk> rizen: I expect an upload over this weekend.
17:13 <@rizen> you rule SquOnk
17:13 < SquOnk> rizen: Debian Rules
17:14 < SquOnk> rizen: Have you tested webgui with Perl 5.10?
17:14 <@rizen> no not yet...spending all my time trying to finish up WebGUI 7.5
17:14 < SquOnk> rizen: All right.
17:14 <@rizen> after that comes out i'll start playing with Perl 5.10
17:14 < SquOnk> rizen: Lenny will have Perl 5.10
17:15 <@rizen> so i better test then
17:15 <@rizen> =)
17:15 < SquOnk> rizen: I can tell you the upgrade scripts work since I've just tested them.
17:15 <@rizen> i don't think there will be a problem
17:15 < SquOnk> rizen: Me neither, but one has to trust but verify
17:15 <@rizen> certainly
17:17 < SquOnk> http://mirror7.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-160-e.png
17:19 <@rizen> hehe
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18:53 <+perlmonkey2> khenn: What did you think?  The editor is still rough around the edges for sure.  The options should be more contextualized and the layout cleaned up.  But the administration of the survey is coming along nicely I think.  
18:59 <+perlmonkey2> dang perlDreamer's day job.
18:59 <+perlmonkey2> doens't he know he needs to be available here 24/7?  I need his pager number :P
19:00 <@rizen> so do i
19:00 <@rizen> unfortunately he makes about 1 billion dollars per second in his day job
19:01 <@rizen> if i could afford him, i would have hired him already, just so he's always available to everyone
19:01 <@rizen> =)
19:01 <+perlmonkey2> can't you bribe him with cherry referrals to his consulting biz?
19:02 <+perlmonkey2> maybe an unlimited supply of gooey dolls?
19:02 <@rizen> i've tried everything
19:04 <@rizen> i even tried threatening to withhold gooey dolls
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19:37 <@preaction_> perlbot botsnack
19:37 < perlbot> I'm not your prank monkey
19:38 < Doc777> Anyone able to tell me what I am missing. When uploading a picture to the "Gallery" the thumbnail is not created. And this is logged: "Exception 420: no decode delegate for this image format"  .jpg
19:40 < lisette> Doc77: Where is your question about this?
19:42 < Doc777> Hrm, well I would like to upload a .jpg picture and have it create the thumbname I guess... It says no decode delate. 
19:43 <@preaction_> sounds like Image magick or graphics magick isn't installed correctly, or you're not actually uploading a jpg
19:45 < Doc777> Its a .jpg for sure. so maybe something up with Image Magick.
19:53 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: if you have a sec (or anyone else with a thought on the matter), I've been pondering how and if JSON serialization of the survey objects (not the results) would work.  I'm thinking a single column in the survey table which would contain the serialized survey object, which contains sections->question groups->questions->answers.  The only problem I see is having class instances serialize/deserialize themselves.
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20:14 <+perlDreamer> whoa
20:14 <+perlDreamer> major attendance of PB folk
20:16 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I'm here now.
20:17 <@khenn> is yung around?
20:17 <@khenn> perlmonkey2:  Haven't had a chance to take a look yet.  I plan on doing it shortly though
20:19 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: what do you think of a single column to contain the entire survey?  A serialized data structure of a survey->sections->question groups->answers with objects which know how to handling their own serialization.  Then the entire survey can be loaded once, used as needed, then serialized and stored if changes were made?
20:20 <+perlmonkey2> I'm guessing (but not by much), that deserealization and loading the data into objects will take a lot less time than 20ms, the minimum time I can make a simple DB all in.
20:20 <+perlmonkey2> So it is easier to use the data, and much faster overall.
20:21 <+perlDreamer> weren't you saying the other day that a large, monolithic structure wouldn't work because you could whip out a 500 MB survey file and fill all the available physical memory of the server?
20:21 <+perlmonkey2> well, that
20:22 <+perlmonkey2> 's if it included the results.  But that woudul be silly
20:22 <+perlDreamer> oh, I see
20:22 <+perlmonkey2> or at least that's what perlDreamer told me about 5 times :P
20:22 <+perlDreamer> answers are available choices
20:22 <+perlDreamer> not responses
20:22 <+perlmonkey2> yes
20:22 <+perlDreamer> well, in that case
20:22 <+perlDreamer> I have no idea, I'll have to think about it further.
20:22 <+perlmonkey2> a response is an instance of a taken survey, a question response is a response toa question, etc.
20:23 <+perlmonkey2> But the only drawback is loading the entire survey into memory upon every call.  And if size became an issue, compressing the text wouldn't be hard to add?  I mean since it is searlized in the DB, what does it matter if the text is compressed?  And all these functions are magnitudes faster than DB calls.
20:24 <+perlDreamer> I don't think you'd need in memory compression of the data
20:25 <+perlmonkey2> well, just thinking if someone writes a 10,000 very wordy set of questions, it might be necessary.
20:27 <+perlDreamer> IMO (read that as the following set of bytes are of low value) that's a performance barrier to cross when we reach it
20:28 <+perlmonkey2> but compression is just sexy :P  but I agree.  It would be far easier to just have a cap on survey sizes and if they need bigger, just create a second survey which the first redirects to on completion and the user won't notice anything except one of the pages required a reload (which on a fast connection they might not even notice).
20:29 <+perlDreamer> agree about sexiness, worried about May 31 being only 22 days and 12 hours away :)
20:30 <+perlmonkey2> bah, I've learned so much, I can rewrite this thing, with the 3x as many requirements, in a week.  :P  
20:30 <+perlDreamer> Deal!
20:30 <+perlmonkey2> If only I could stop getting emails asking me to tweak templates so that blue bars are wider, thinner, longer, shorter, maybe I could get someting done.  
20:31 <+perlDreamer> you need a perlmonkey3 who is in charge of UI customization
20:32 <+perlmonkey2> I have one, but he's slightly more worthless than perlmonkey2
20:32 <+perlmonkey2> He's actually supposed to be doing the template customizations, but they don't ever get done, so I'm doing them.
20:32 <+perlDreamer> one small word of advice from someone who is old
20:32 <+perlmonkey2> I have no idea what he did the last 48 hours he had to do this long list of visual changes, but it wasn't doing the visual changes.
20:33 <+perlDreamer> While it is good that projects meet deadlines, sometimes it is better that they fail so that issues can be escalated.
20:33  * perlDreamer takes off his yoda robe now :)
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21:49 < Doc777> When trying to install Image::Magick it fails with: "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore" The only one that locate finds on the system is: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". Is this what it is looking for or a missing library file...
21:49 < Doc777> I have already downloaded and installed imagemagick but cpan wants to install Perl::Magick.
21:51 < dionak> perlmagick is the perl interface for imagemagick
21:52 < dionak> so you would need it if you're using image magick with webgui
21:52 < SquOnk> aptitude install perlmagick :-)
21:52 < dionak> would that install it in the right place? 
21:53 < Doc777> That is what I was thinking so was trying to install it. It is searching for MagickCore and the only one on the system is "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h". So do I have a missing library?
21:54 < dionak> idk. is that what it was looking for, MagickCore.h?
21:54 < dionak> if so, maybe it's not in the include path...
21:57 <@apeiron> -l indicates a shared library, typically something that ends in .so. .h are C header files, plaintext files containing C source.
21:57 < Doc777> cpan: install Perl::Magick = "gnu/bin/ld: cannot find -lMagickCore"
21:58 < Doc777> Doing a locate -u and locate MagickCore only shows: "/usr/include/magick/MagickCore.h"
21:58 <@apeiron> Doc777, Typically you install Perl::Magick with ImageMagick because the two are... fragile, shall we say.
21:58 < Doc777> Yep, crashed and burned ;)
21:59 < dionak> is graphics magick easier?
21:59 < Doc777> Downloaded and installed that to... no errors. But does not work in webgui.
21:59 <+perlmonkey2> We promise they won't take over your spaceship?
21:59 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Correct.
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22:29 < lisette> .
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22:34 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: the button issue is fixed.  But I can't replicated the slider issue in FF or IE7.  Perhaps it was caused by the button code failure?
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22:46 <@rizen> likely, i'm not seeing it anymore
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23:20 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: well, that is a shaky one to view.  I would give you access to the testing machine which has the latest (somewhat)stable, but that is at $work, and I can't give access to non-employees.
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23:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6345 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (survey.css administersurvey.js): IE problems apparently resolved, and slider and multi-slider allocate accuracy made bullet-proof.
23:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6346 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm: template vars altered
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23:39 < knowmad> Hey folks!
23:39 <+perlDreamer> howdy, knowmad
23:40 < knowmad> hi pd
23:40 < knowmad> i've got a metadata question for you this afternoon
23:40 <+perlDreamer> bring it on!
23:41 < knowmad> is there a way to create HTMLAreas or other form elements as meta data properties?
23:41 <+perlDreamer> no
23:42 <+perlDreamer> -types=> [ qw /text integer yesNo selectBox radioList checkList/ ]
23:42 <+perlDreamer> that's from AssetMetaData.pm
23:42 < knowmad> why so limited?
23:42 <+perlDreamer> no idea
23:42 <+perlDreamer> HTMLAreas are really only special text fields
23:42 < knowmad> rizen: why can't i build a metadata property with HTMLArea type?
23:42 <@rizen> cuz you can't
23:42 <@rizen> how do you like that
23:43 < knowmad> that sucks
23:43 <@rizen> =)
23:43 <@rizen> you can change it if you want
23:43 < knowmad> you told me about all these great new goodness in 7.5 data forms and got me excited
23:43 <@rizen> there's no technical reason any longer not to support all types
23:43 < knowmad> sweet! 
23:43 <+perlDreamer> so rizen, would a check on dynamicFormCompatible be apropos?
23:43 <@rizen> well all dynamic compatible types
23:44 <@rizen> see svn WebGUI::Form::Control for details
23:44 <@rizen> yes
23:44 <@rizen> or just using the FieldType and DynamicField controls in conjunction
23:44 < knowmad> would it be an RFE to add ability to manage the types of meta data properties available?
23:44 <@rizen> with the new form api in 7.5 there's no real limit
23:44 < knowmad> i could see where some sites will want only a limited list
23:45 <@rizen> i see no reason to do that, but if you want to submit the rfe go ahead
23:45 <@rizen> because it's the admin that sets up the metadata fields
23:45 < knowmad> that answers my question
23:46 < knowmad> but then every site gets the same list if you modify the Metadata module
23:46 < knowmad> no way to control it like you can with the SQL Form asset
23:46 <@rizen> do you know what you're talking about knowmad?
23:46 <@rizen> or are you just spewing
23:47 <@rizen> =)
23:47 < knowmad> i know what *I'm* talking about
23:47 < knowmad> i think we need to use the Vulcan mindmeld to get it across the ether though
23:47 < knowmad> it can wait til the WUC
23:47 < knowmad> gives me something to add to my list for you ;)
23:48 <@rizen> keep in mind you don't have exclusive access to me at the wuc like you did at GTS
23:48 <@rizen> your list needs to be much shorter
23:49 < knowmad> i'll let the important ones sort to top
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23:50 <@rizen> with data form you're creating multiple forms
23:50 <@rizen> with metadata, it's global
23:50 <@rizen> to the whole site
23:50 <@rizen> only admins set it up
23:50 <@rizen> so there's no reason to limit the list
23:50 <@rizen> that's what i'm saying
23:51 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I'm confused.  WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->get('types') != WebGUI::Form::FieldType->new($session)->getTypes(), right?
23:52 <@rizen> right
23:52 <@rizen> you can provide a limit to the FieldType function
23:52 <@rizen> to only list the ones you want
23:53 <@rizen> by default it lists all dynamic compatible types
23:53 <+perlDreamer> how does it build that list by default?
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23:54 <@rizen> it checks the isDynamicCompatible() method
23:54 <@rizen> on all field types
23:58 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I'm too sick and stupid to see how that works right now.  But I don't see any code that does that
23:58 <+perlDreamer> by default, I think it builds the empty list
23:59 <+perlDreamer> and the code in Operation/ProfileSettings will see that
23:59 <@rizen> you are sick
23:59 <+perlDreamer> muy
23:59 <+perlDreamer> mucho
23:59 <@rizen> see the getTypes() method in FieldType
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> I see that.  Operation/ProfileSettings doesn't use that
00:00 <@rizen> i didn't say it does
00:00 <+perlDreamer> I know.  Should it?
00:00 <@rizen> yes
00:00 <+perlDreamer> okay
00:00 <@rizen> and so should metadata, dataform, sqlform, and any other place that uses dynamic field types
00:01 <@rizen> currently only the new stuff uses it: ems and thingy
00:01 <@rizen> it was written for them
00:01 <@rizen> with the intention of being backported to everything else eventually
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00:21 < knowmad> OK, now I see the point rizen is making about letting all the data type editors flow into metadata
00:21 < knowmad> hey, perlDreamer, sorry to hear you're sick; hope you didn't have what i had last week; I was miserable with flu, fever, sore throat, coughing, congestion, etc.
00:22 <+perlDreamer> no, nasal/sinus and eye and low energy
00:22 <+perlDreamer> it's something that rizen's friend xander came up with
00:22 < knowmad> allergies?
00:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6347 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: fix a bug where no data fields where available in the user profile field editor
00:22 <+perlDreamer> my allergy medicine isn't helping much
00:22 < knowmad> bummer
00:40 <+perlDreamer> It seems to be getting better though
00:40 <+perlDreamer> and the Sku/Product is close to being done
00:40 <+perlDreamer> The Wobject -> Sku Product conversion is done
00:40 <+perlDreamer> the Commerce -> Sku Product conversion is done
00:40 <+perlDreamer> and the Product macro conversion is done
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00:45 <@rizen> you rock pd
00:45 <@rizen> oh, and just to be clear about FieldType and getTypes
00:45 <@rizen> getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new
00:46 <+perlDreamer> it is?
00:46 <@rizen> yup
00:46 <@rizen> it's not called in new()
00:46 <@rizen> but it is
00:46 <@rizen> stop being sick
00:46 <@rizen> get offline
00:46 <@rizen> drink chicken soup
00:46 <+perlDreamer> that's a handy trick. How did you make it do that?
00:46 <@rizen> get some sleep
00:47 <+perlDreamer> I'm actually at work today
00:47 <@rizen> it's called in toHtml()
00:48 <@rizen> cuz whether you leave it empty or you specify types
00:48 <@rizen> getTypes() is called
00:48 <@rizen> getTypes() is what gives the human readable names to all the types
00:49 <+perlDreamer> I think I understand garbled crap now
00:49 <+perlDreamer> grabled crap is english with the emphasis and punctuation removed
00:50 <+perlDreamer> (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new
00:50 <+perlDreamer> that means that getTypes is called when new is called
00:50 <+perlDreamer> but you actuall meant this
00:50 <+perlDreamer>  (14:45:58) rizen: getTypes is called automatically, if you don't specify types when you call FieldType->new
00:51 <@rizen> you are starting to understand the basics of garbled crap
00:51 <@rizen> =)
00:52 <@rizen> gp,yo,d hstn;rf vts[ ;ppd ;olr yjod yjpihj
00:53 <@rizen> translated: sometimes garbled crap looks like this though
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00:58 <+perlDreamer> that must be graduate level garbled crap
00:59 <@apeiron> nono, that's postdoc garbled crap.
01:16 < SquOnk> rizen: The package has just been uploaded to the incoming queue.
01:16 < SquOnk> rizen: I will receive a message from DAK (the robot) confirming upload.
01:17 < SquOnk> rizen: And then I will either receive an accepting message saying that the package will make it into Sid shortly, or a refusing message stating whatever things need to be fixed.
01:17 < SquOnk> rizen: If anything needs to be fixed, it will not be packaging form but rather licensing issues that I might have overlooked.
01:18 < SquOnk> rizen: In the latter case, I'll be here asking for help :-)
01:19 <@rizen> thanks for the update squ0nk
01:19 <@rizen> oh...can you please have a look at plainblack.com/tbb
01:19 <@rizen> someone asked a question of you out there
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01:26 < SquOnk> rizen: I guess he understood that I was maintaining webgui packages IN Debian :-) I was maintaining MY OWN Debian packages.
01:26 < SquOnk> rizen: There were several attempts at packaging WebGUI in Debian but for some reason it never took.
01:27 <@rizen> could you reply to him and say that please
01:27 < SquOnk> rizen: Sure. I'll do it later from home. I've got to go now.
01:27 <@rizen> yeah, i wasn't trying to say that you were doing it in debian all these years. if you were, then there would be no reason to do this blog post and be all excited about it today
01:27 <@rizen> ok bye
01:28 < SquOnk> See you tomorrow
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05:09 <@rizen> does anybody know how to lock a column in open office so that when you scroll right the one colum stays in position while the others move
05:09 <@rizen> i think it's called a pivot table in ms excel
05:19 <+perlmonkey2> rizen you mean something like in window where you split the screen on a column?
05:19 <@rizen> i guess so
05:20 <@rizen> i think it was all one window though when i saw it last
05:20 <+perlmonkey2> I'm not sure if that's what you want, but it should emulate it.
05:20 <@rizen> ii don't do advanced spreadsheet stuff all that often though so i don't really know how to ask for it
05:20 <@rizen> so how do i do it?
05:20 <@rizen> do you know?
05:21 <+perlmonkey2> I think you just select the column you want to keep in view and then Window->split and then the window is split and you can scroll either window.
05:22 <@rizen> hmm that doesn't seem to be working for me
05:22 <+perlmonkey2> I once wrote a little app in Calc for figuring out arbitrages for N number of bets, but that was the limit of my "advanced" spreadsheet usage.
05:23 <+perlmonkey2> Doesn't devide into two windows?
05:23 <+perlmonkey2> s/devide/divide/
05:23 <@rizen> i have a spreadsheet that fits across 15 sheets that i use for forecasting pb budgets
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05:23 <@rizen> it's a big spreadsheet, but not terribly advanced
05:24 <+perlmonkey2> oh, ic.  Yeah, I'm leading you astray.
05:25 < knowmad> rizen: how many columns do you want locked? only A?
05:26 <@rizen> yeah A
05:26 < knowmad> if so, select column B1 then select Window : Freeze
05:26 <@rizen> well and if i can get it, then 1 also
05:26 <@rizen> both have labels
05:26 <@rizen> and i want to see the labels all the way across
05:26 < knowmad> if you want column A and row 1 to always be locked, choose B2 then Window : Freeze
05:26 <@rizen> ok
05:27 < Doc777> Excuse me, When using a forum is there a way to disable the ratings?
05:27 <@rizen> dear god that's awesome
05:27 <@rizen> thank you
05:27 < knowmad> yw
05:27 <@rizen> Doc777, the only way is to remove the ratings from the templates
05:27 <@rizen> there's no switch
05:27 <@rizen> though that might be a good switch
05:27 < Doc777> Fair enough, thanks ;-)
05:27 < knowmad> ++
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06:46 < elnino> not exactly webgui qustion, does anyone know anything about windows-1251 encoding and mysql?
06:52 < elnino> maybe I should ask this instead....  Looks like webgui stores it's data as utf-8. Can someone confirm?
06:53 <+Radix-wrk> yup, pretty sure it does
06:54 <@apeiron> Looking at docs/create.sql, I see lots of CHARSET=utf8
06:55 < elnino> good enough for me.. I was given windows-1252 and it was displaying all weird, so I confired it to utf-8 in my browser and stored the source of that page in webgui and it worked great.  I'll just tiell my russian friends they need to give me utf-8.  Thanks!!!
06:55 <@apeiron> well
06:55 <@apeiron> You *could* convert it in Perl.
06:55 < elnino> don't go there. I've spent too much time on this... But thanks...
06:55 < elnino> =)
06:57 <@apeiron> It's really quite simple actually. use Encode qw/encode decode/; my $raw = decode('Windows-1251, $input); my $utf8 = encode('UTF-8, $raw);
06:57 <@apeiron> Well, Windows-1252 in your case.
06:58 <@apeiron> Although yeah, it would be more maintainable to just get UTF8 from the start. :)
06:59 < elnino> Oh. Ok, I'll keep it in mind. I have my fingers crossed that they are ok with utf-8 - don't see why not, it's as standard as one gets... 
06:59 <@apeiron> Yup. If they're not, Perl can help you. :)
07:00 < elnino> If i'm reading this right, your suggestion is to replace what I did with the browser.. it would still be stored in mysql as utf-8, right?
07:00 <@apeiron> Not sure what you're saying re the browser.
07:01 <@apeiron> My suggestion was to, if needed, using Perl, convert the data from the encoding you're getting to UTF-8.
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07:02 < elnino> ok. yep. And I did the same thing using the broswer's encoding settings to do the same thing.    
07:02 <@apeiron> ah.
07:02 < elnino> For a while, I thought you were explaining how to store the data in mysql as different encoding.
07:02 <@apeiron> heh, well, if you want to store it as UTF8, you have to convert it to UTF8, yes? :)
07:03 <@apeiron> Store it and have it actually stored *properly*, that is...
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07:03 < elnino> YES.
07:03 < elnino> I was thrown for a loop as to why they gave me windows-1252.. yuck.
07:03 <@apeiron> Ask them. :)
07:04 < elnino> we're good. I can get some rest now... nothing is worse than having something unresolved and lying awake thinking about it.
07:04 <@apeiron> ick, indeed.
07:05 < elnino> Have a great night. THank you for the quick responses!
07:05 <@apeiron> heh, no worries. Gnight!
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07:42 <+perlDreamer> rizen: art thou present?
07:42 <+perlDreamer> I summon thee in the name of CeeToo
07:42 <+perlDreamer> (not to be confused with Shek Two)
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11:21 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6350 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: more work for www_buy, and the add to cart UI
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14:48 < aselpilot> Is there any way to imbed an .swf into an article?  I attempted to modify the html source but am unable to update it.
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15:43 < SDuensin> Morning.
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17:55 < dionak> hey all
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18:17 <+perlDreamer> I'm stuck in a meeting for 6 hours
18:17 <+perlDreamer> much perl will be written :)
18:20 < topsub> dang.. thats a long meeting!
18:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6351 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: letting users know about new perl modules
18:27 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6352 /WebGUI/docs/gotcha.txt: adding another undocumented prereq....doug i'm looking at you!!!!
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18:57 <+perlDreamer> rizen: does the product variant select box need a "null" entry, like "Please select an option to add to your cart"?
18:58 <@rizen> i think i'd rather it just display the first variant
18:58 <+perlDreamer> cool with me
18:59 <+perlDreamer> I just want to make sure that the pinstriping is right the first time :)
19:02 < SDuensin> This is just too much.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6YgZc5th6g
19:02 < SDuensin> (Sorry for the link spam.)
19:11 < topsub> rizen, i have to disagree, someone could click add to cart without selecting an variant and lead to issues
19:11 < topsub> Think a null entry is a very good idea.
19:25 <@rizen> topsub: how does it feel to be wrong. i've never been and you look like someone who would know.
19:26 <@rizen> man am i funny =)
19:27 < topsub> hmmmm
19:32 <+perlDreamer> how about this: push @variantOptions, 'Null entry' if $user=='topsub';
19:41 <+perlDreamer> either that wasn't funny, or no one noticed that the string 'topsub' is false in a numeric comparison
19:47 <+perlDreamer> does anyone remember which module provides the rmtree function?
19:48 <@apeiron> File::Path
19:48 <@apeiron> I noticed the ==, thought it was a mistake.
19:48 <+perlDreamer> thank!
19:48 <+perlDreamer> apeiron++
19:49 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, The export system and its tests exhibit some of the coolest best practice filesystem modules for Perl. :D
19:49 <@apeiron> Path::Class and File::Path. Yum.
19:55 <+perlDreamer> I think I've figured out how to make multilingual content in WebGUI today.
19:55 <+perlDreamer> It's based on how multilingual is done in Drupal.
19:56 < dionak> we'll probably end up adding the 'Please select...' later 
19:57 <+perlDreamer> RFEs and patches always welcome :)
19:57 <+perlDreamer> especially from known good devs/committers
19:59 < dionak> noted. thanks. rizen's in a playful mood again today. 
19:59 <+perlDreamer> afaik, he's been up every night this week with bad servers
20:00 < dionak> ugh, 
20:01 < dionak> so rizen gets more playful the less sleep he's had...
20:01 < dionak> he must not get much sleep at all
20:15 < bopbop> he
20:16 < bopbop> 's kind of like a gremlin
20:16 < bopbop> funny things happen when he's up after midnight, and if you feed him
20:16 <+perlDreamer> and never, ever get him wet!
20:16 < dionak> haha
20:16 < bopbop> that's right
20:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6353 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: remove commerce related operations
20:19 <+perlDreamer> whoa
20:19 <+perlDreamer> CIA-6 is on the ball today
20:20 <@apeiron> Or it just happened to poll at the right moment. :)
20:25 <+perlDreamer> Let's test it.
20:26 <+perlDreamer> committed
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20:35 < lisette> how to do to send to each user the username and password to your mail? I need to do a macro?
20:35 <+perlDreamer> no, just a little script
20:35 < lisette> how?
20:36 <+perlDreamer> well, get a list of all userIds from the users table
20:36 <+perlDreamer> create a user object for each one
20:36 < lisette> yes
20:36 <+perlDreamer> oh, wait a sec
20:36 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI does not know the user's password
20:36 <+perlDreamer> only the hashed password
20:37 < lisette> oh, yes
20:37 <+perlDreamer> do you have a list of passwords, from a user import?
20:37 < lisette> i have the password
20:37 < lisette> yes
20:37 <+perlDreamer> well, then it is a little more difficult, but still doable
20:37 <+perlDreamer> get the list of userIds
20:38 <+perlDreamer> and usernames from the db table
20:38 <+perlDreamer> get the password from the password list that you have
20:38 <+perlDreamer> then use WebGUI's email interface to send the emails
20:38 <+perlDreamer> you may want to limit how many emails you send per second, so you don't bury spectre and your SMTP server
20:39 < lisette> yes, i know
20:39 < lisette> thanks
20:40 <+perlDreamer> the email interface is in WebGUI::Inbox
20:40 < lisette> doesn't WebGUI::Mail::Send?
20:41 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6354 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: collect all code that deletes files in one place. Do not call it yet
20:42 <+perlDreamer> oh, yes.  Sorry.  My bad.  It is WebGUI::Mail::Send
20:42 < lisette> thanks.
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21:27 <+perlDreamer> heads up everybody: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/colons-invalidate-your-begin-and-end-blocks.html#comments
21:27 <+perlDreamer> I found and fixed a bunch of these (that I wrote) in the test suite
21:27 <+perlDreamer> the rest of the core is fine
21:32 <@rizen> yo mamma
21:34 <+perlDreamer> she would have known better
21:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6355 /WebGUI/t/ (11 files in 6 dirs): remove colons from END blocks, so they actually act like END blocks
21:41 <+perlDreamer> rizen: working with packages for templates sucks
21:41 <+perlDreamer> they're not editable with vim anymore
21:43 <@rizen> that's what's cool about it
21:43 <@rizen> oh, and yes they are editable with vim
21:43 <@rizen> all you have to do is extract the package
21:43 <@rizen> .wgpkg file is just a tgz file
21:44 <@rizen> and inside it's nice friendly editable JSON
21:44 <+perlDreamer> okay, but...
21:44 <@rizen> there's no buts
21:44  * perlDreamer prefers his JSON hidden behind several layers of perl API
21:44 <@rizen> and it is
21:44 <@rizen> that layer is called WebGUI
21:45 <@rizen> edit the damn templates in webgui like everyone else. =)
21:45 <+perlDreamer> eek!
21:45 <+perlDreamer> ...okay...
21:45 <@rizen> eek?
21:45 <+perlDreamer> I "eek" when yelled at
21:45 <@rizen> why eek?
21:45 <@rizen> i yelled?
21:45 <@rizen> oh cuz i said damn?
21:45 <@rizen> does that mean i'm yelling?
21:46 <+perlDreamer> "eek" is better than ~squit~
21:46 <@rizen> damn is an adjective for me
21:46 <@rizen> i just use it in normal speech
21:46 <+perlDreamer> okay
21:46 <@rizen> if i was yelling I WOULD TALK LIKE THIS *or* *like* *this*
21:47 <@rizen> btw, i'm absolutely sure i've broken that BEGIN: vs BEGIN thing before
21:47 <@rizen> maybe not in webgui
21:47 <@rizen> but i'm sure i've done it
21:47 <+perlDreamer> I know I have
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21:51 <+perlmonkey2> /msg rizen if I have issues I'd like to discuss with the contract, whom would I talk to?
21:51 <+perlmonkey2> whups
21:52 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: always safer to do AIM :)
21:57 <@rizen> pm2, me
21:57 <@rizen> if you have a skype account you can call me
21:57 <@rizen> plainblackguy
21:58 <@rizen> otherwise, we can talk via phone you should have my number from the emails i've sent you in the past
21:58 <@rizen> or we can do it via email
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22:02 <+perlmonkey2> rizen: I emailed you
22:28 <+perlmonkey2> Heh, a single P42.8Ghz w/ 1GB ram and an untuned source install of WebGUI is currently running 50 grad students taking long surveys as fast as they can read and click, and it is actually working just fine.  
22:28  * perlmonkey2 is totally amazed.
22:32 < ckotil> nice
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22:46  * apeiron has been reading phdcomics.com for a while.
22:46 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Are you sure they're actually taking the survey and not sleeping at the computer? :D
22:47 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: hah, yes they have finsihed they're finals and the semester is over.  But they are being forced, on the last Friday of the year, after all their work is done, to stay in office and complete the same survey over and over.
22:47 <@apeiron> ha
22:47 <+perlmonkey2> I'm guessing this is the worst thrashing the survey will ever take :P
22:47 <+perlmonkey2> the log is scrolling far faster than i could hope to read
22:48 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, You could use WWW::Mech to give it a worse thrashing...
22:48 <@apeiron> >:)
22:49 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: would take some work as there is a lot of javascript invovled, so the mech would have to know a lot more logic than just 'fill out this form'
22:49 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Oh, well, hrmph.
22:50 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: hmm, actually I dno't think it would be that hard.  
23:07 <+perlmonkey2> id generate will always be unique, or should that be tested for?
23:08 <+perlmonkey2> 22^80 (or whatever it is) is probably random enough to be unique enough?
23:10 <+perlmonkey2> or 80^22 I guess
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23:53 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: what do you think of git?
23:59 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: git?  I've never used it, but read about it.  I guess it has superior branching/merging than svn, so might be superior in that regard.
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00:00 <+perlDreamer> are you subscribed to the dev list?
00:01 <+perlmonkey2> Nope.  Lots of sexy stuff going on there?
00:01 <+perlDreamer> http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss/subversion-vs-git
00:01 <+perlDreamer> recently, yes
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00:06 <+perlmonkey2> just read up a bit more on git and remembered what I liked so much.  The local repositories that are automagically shared as branches to everyone else.  I *really* dig that idea.
00:06 <+perlDreamer> yeah, so if you'd like another dev to check out something you're doing, you don't need a private branch in the main repo
00:07 <+perlDreamer> or need to pollute the main repo
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00:08 <+perlmonkey2> an emulation of svn and cvs are nice additions if you like your old tools/guis :)
00:10 <@tavisto> alright, did everyone do their homework and get 1 major corporation or government agency to start using WebGUI yesterday?
00:10 <+perlDreamer> hey, we don't listen to marketing dudes whose name rhymes with mephisto
00:10 <+perlmonkey2> Plus, I think it woudl make it easier to branch your own private branches.  For instance, if I'm doing something and decide I want to try a radical change.  I'd like to have a new branch rather than looking back through the messages and seeing which comment was the radical change so I can revert.
00:10 <@tavisto> actually... it's pronounced as if it was spelled tay-vee-sto
00:11 <@tavisto> so now you shall listen!
00:11 <+perlDreamer> eek!
00:11 <@tavisto> I've got 100k in award money for those of you that completed your task (pending a large rockstar was signed)
00:12 <+perlmonkey2> Hmm, I have a lot of contacts of web designers who use PHP stuff.  But they're targeting small companies who want the $5/month hosters.  Probably would be fine for PB's $20/month plan if they learned how powerful (and safe) it is over the PHPnuke-clones.
00:13 <@tavisto> that's where the webgui lite comes into play
00:14 <@tavisto> or a version of it anyway. I love the fact that we can throw a laundry list of features at small businesses... but back in the day when I was a reseller most never used half of what they thought was cool initially
00:15 <+perlDreamer> yeah
00:15 <@tavisto> dumbing down WebGUI to Godaddy's Website Tonight would work well for that sector
00:15 <+perlDreamer> I was looking at these guys: http://jobs.perl.org/job/8618 and thinking PhotoGallery clients
00:16 <@tavisto> wow that's going to be a project.
00:16 <+perlDreamer> w e b g u i
00:18 <+perlDreamer> it's much better than that old CGI stuff
00:18 <@tavisto> yes from the sounds of it, that would be a good match
00:18 <@tavisto> could combine new e-commerce w/ photo gallery
00:18 <+perlDreamer> oh yeah.  C2 would be great with that
00:19 <+perlDreamer> maybe y'all should start combing the online perl job sites and sending in quotes for stuff like that
00:19 <@tavisto> that's not a bad idea. But you also know that you're eligible to do that as well right?
00:19 <+perlDreamer> I don't have enough time to do stuff like that
00:20 <+perlDreamer> I'd have to go full time
00:20 <+perlDreamer> and without the contracts up front, that's daunting
00:20 <+perlDreamer> besides, I give JT all my best ideas
00:20 <@tavisto> If you were to connect with a person like that and get them to "see things our way" you'd get a referral bonus
00:20 <@tavisto> not much work or time involved in that
00:20 <+perlDreamer> true
00:20 <@tavisto> me, jay, or Vrby are the ones that would have to do that work
00:20 <+perlDreamer> jay?
00:21 <@tavisto> ie. I'm going thru a 25 page RFP right now trying to pick apart what WebGUI can and can't do for a potential customer... blah.. that's the kinda stuff we would do for you
00:21 <@tavisto> Jay is a sales guy
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00:26 < SquOnk> Hi everyone
00:26 <+perlDreamer> Hi SquOnk
00:26 <@tavisto> howdy
00:26 < SquOnk> rizen: The upload was succesful.
00:26 <+perlDreamer> w00t!
00:26 <@tavisto> sweet
00:26 < SquOnk> rizen: webgui is in the incoming queue. That means it will be available on Debian Sid on sunday
00:27 < SquOnk> Sid is already on Perl 5.10 therefore is important to test thoroughly since Perl 5.8 will NOT be available in Sid.
00:28 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk, do you know how to run the test suite?
00:33 <+perlDreamer> none of us have a 5.10 sitting around
00:33 <+perlDreamer> if you do, then you could run the suite for us to check things out
00:35 <+perlmonkey2> if fedora 9 ever comes out, I'll have 5.10 ready to test with.
00:39 < SquOnk> perlbot: Yes
00:39 < perlbot> No!
00:39 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: Yes, I know how to run the test suite.
00:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: That's what I'm going to run.
00:40 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: But remember that Debian runs on i386, amd64, ia64, alpha, sparc, powerpc and many more :-)
00:40 <+perlDreamer> oh yes
00:40  * perlDreamer is ready for a storm of bug fixing and new uses
00:40 <+perlDreamer> users
00:41 <+perlDreamer> fedora 9 is out in 4 days
00:41 <@rizen> thanks for the update SquOnk
00:41 < SquOnk> perlDreamer: I can test directly on i386, amd64, sparc, powerpc and alpha...
00:41 < SquOnk> (and will test :-)
00:42 <+perlDreamer> cool. Thanks, SquOnk
00:42 < SquOnk> The next improvement will be automatica database creating and upgrading
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01:29 < itnomad> I am using dynamic dns to point a registered domain name to my current ip address. When trying to connect remotely to my WebGUI website, I get the Bad Gateway error. I have been googling and searching the help on the Plain Black and DynDNS web sites. Can anyone point me in the right direction for finding a solution? I am using CentOS 5.1 and have no problems connecting from any of the computers on my intranet to my WebGUI website.
01:30 <+perlDreamer> does your ISP block port 80 traffic?
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01:32 < itnomad> no. I've run Apache from home for a couple of years with no problems connecting by the current ip address, whatever that might be at the time. As I understand it, WebGUI needs a hostname to work. That's how I got involved with DynDNS.
01:33 < itnomad> The error message I get appears to come from the error directory of the wre installation. But I'm not sure of that.
01:33 <+perlmonkey2> itnomad: Can you pastebin some of the errors?
01:35 < itnomad> Proxy server received invalid response from an upstream server. Is the only error I have seen. I can't seem to find the http error logs.
01:36 <+perlmonkey2> /data/wre/var/logs?
01:37 <+perlDreamer> itnomad, I think I've seen an article on the wiki about DynDNS and WRE setups
01:37 <+perlDreamer> the wiki at webgui.org
01:38 < itnomad> the one from fishingfan? I've been reading it, but can't seem to find helpful info there.
01:39 < itnomad> cool, I've got the logs now.
01:39 < metanil> does pagination in folder asset works by default?
01:40 < itnomad> It looks like I may need to open up port 8081
01:40 < itnomad> I'm heading home to give that a try:)
01:40 <+perlDreamer> metanil: The Folder does not paginate.
01:41 <@preaction_> itnomad, only the mod_proxy WRE instance needs to be able to hit 8081, but the mod_proxy wre instance uses the site's ServerName to try to reach it
01:41 < metanil> perlDreamer, suppose i have 100 files within that folder ? :D
01:42 <+perlDreamer> metanil: Then it will be slow :(
01:42 < metanil> :(
01:42 <+perlDreamer> itnomad: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/setting-up-the-wre-when-your-isp-block-port-80
01:42 <+perlDreamer> that's the wiki article I remembered
01:42 <@preaction_> 100 isn't much, 1000 would be slow
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01:44 <+perlDreamer> rizen: the product Sku is working now
01:44 <+perlDreamer> it needs some polish, but it can show a basic form for buying a variant, and it correctly adds itself to the cart
01:45 < wgGuest61> Hi I have a question about the Colaboration System template's
01:46 < wgGuest61> In the default submission template, in the atacchment loop line
01:46 < wgGuest61> How can i to diference the atacchmen file
01:46 < itnomad> perlDreamer: that article looks like it could be helpful. Thanks, all.
01:47 < wgGuest61> When an user atach a mp3 file show a special line
01:47 < wgGuest61> and when an user atach a flv file show other difrent line
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01:54 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest61: You would need to use a more advanced templating system than the default one that WebGUI uses
01:55 <+perlDreamer> HTML::Template::Expr, or TemplateToolkit
01:58 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6356 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Sku/Product.pm i18n/English/Asset_Product.pm): form elements for buying a variant of a product
02:05 < wgGuest61> How can i use this template?
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02:11 <+perlmonkey2> f00li5h: hello?  what's up?
02:11 <+perlDreamer> wgGuest61: You start by installing it from CPAN.  Then you add it to the list of WebGUI template plugins in your site's webgui configuration file.  Then you edit the template and change ALL of the templating syntax to match your new templating system.
02:12 <+perlDreamer> this link has more details: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines
02:13 <+perlDreamer> and I would recommend searching the wiki and forum for more information
02:14 < wgGuest61> Tks perldreamer
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02:16 < wgGuest61> Oki
02:16 < wgGuest61> Tks
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02:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6358 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: begin adding inventory control overrides of parent class
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02:35 < f00li5h> perlmonkey2: =^_^=
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04:46 < pilaf153> I have installed webgui and started editing the menu.  I loggout out for a while and came back but now it is tell me it is locked under another version tag.  I only have on version tag listed the one I was using before.  Is there anyway to unlock flexmenu
04:47 <@preaction_> pilaf153, join the version tag again
04:48 <@preaction_> alternatively, delete the version tag
04:48 < pilaf153> I made sure I am currently using the version tag
04:48 <@preaction_> did you commit the version tag?
04:48 < pilaf153> no
04:49 < pilaf153> If I delete it you think it will work
04:49 <@preaction_> most likely, but i don't know
04:49 < pilaf153> I have no prpblem trying that if thats what will do it
04:49 < pilaf153> oh ok
04:51 < pilaf153> that did it thanks
04:52 <@preaction_> you can disable that version tag stuff if you want
04:53 < pilaf153> what happens if I do
04:53 <@preaction_> on the Settings pane in the admin console, Content tab, Auto-Commit Changes and Skip Commit Comments, turn them both to on
04:53 < pilaf153> just any changes that are made will be made 
04:53 <@preaction_> your changes will get committed automatically
04:53 < pilaf153> would it matter if I have multiple users making changes
04:53 <@preaction_> there is still technically a version tag, you can still roll back, but it just gets committed right away
04:54 < pilaf153> I see
04:54 <@preaction_> no, it shouldn't be affected, except that things won't be locked for long
04:54 <@preaction_> a few seconds to a minute, or more if you have an approval process
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16:43 < KennyBoy> Hi there :) I'm considering using webGUI and I'm trying to figure out: can/does WebGUI use persistent database connections (Apache::DBI)? Does anyone know?
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20:26 < pilaf153> I was wondering if anyone could help with cool menus.  I have it set up so it is a verticle menu and when the user mouseovers the next level menus flow vertical as well but they cover the other sections of the menu.  Is there a way for cool menus to "push" down the other menu labels so it is more or less expanding the menu?
20:28 < pilaf153> If that cant happen I also found this macro
20:28 < pilaf153> http://www.webgui.org/page_tree_menu_macro#JV6ldy52y8Cxi3x_45EAPQ
20:28 < pilaf153> but I have no clue how to use macros
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16:02 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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17:24 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6361 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/ (gradient-glossy.png survey.css administersurvey.js): Added 500ms delay during 1 button page clicks.
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17:45 < dionak> hola
17:48 < estiven> Hola
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18:02 < webgeek> i have 3 queries in 1 report. the first and second one depend on the value from the first. how can i display the data for the third outside of the nested query 2
18:03 < webgeek> as soon as i close the query 2 loop no data for the third displays
18:04 < dionak> off the top of my head, i recall having to embed the loops. so to get the data for query 3, i had to be in the query2 rows loop
18:04 < dionak> and likewise for query1
18:06 < webgeek> thats what i am finding but query 3 has a param from query 1 not query 2 so i don't want it nested
18:08 < dionak> you lost me there but could you not customize the template to show only the data you want? This is our general practice
18:09 < webgeek> query 1 gets me departments. query 2 gets me courses for that department. query 3 gets me faculy for that department from a different data link
18:10 < webgeek> when i edit the sql report template i try to close the query 2 loop and then display query 3 and i get no data
18:11 < dionak> the queries are actually 'chained' if you look at the sqlreport code. each one works off the results of the previous query. 
18:12 < dionak> which is why query2 can't be closed and then query3 accessed. 
18:13 < dionak> be back...meeting
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18:40 < lisette> i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?
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19:27 <+perlDreamer> rizen: You ready to talk inventory?
19:29 <@rizen> perhaps
19:33 < lisette> i make a macro and i have a query of another database different of webgui, i need to process this results in a loop (while or another) which is the condition in the loop?
19:34 <+perlDreamer> while (my $hashRef = $statementHandle->hashRef) { # ???
19:34 <+perlDreamer> would need to see more code to really answer that question
19:34 < lisette>  my $result = WebGUI::SQL::ResultSet->prepare($sql, $dbh);
19:34 < lisette>         $result->execute();
19:34 < lisette>         my %rs = $result->hash;
19:34 < lisette>         while(%rs){
19:35 <+perlDreamer> almost, the last two statements can be combined
19:35 <+perlDreamer> while (my %rs = $result->hash) {
19:35 < lisette> ok, this works?
19:35 <+perlDreamer> yeah, it looks fine
19:36 <+perlDreamer> well, I need to check the ResultSet call
19:36 <+perlDreamer> prepare may not want a db handle
19:36 <+perlDreamer> nope, that's fine
19:36 < lisette> how?
19:36 < lisette> ok
19:37 <+perlDreamer> rizen: let me know when you're ready then
19:38 <@rizen> i am i'm just screwing with you
19:38  * perlDreamer checks the top of his head of slots
19:38 <+perlDreamer> so, what is your flow for inventory management
19:38 <+perlDreamer> On addToCart, do I need to do anything?
19:39 <@rizen> yes
19:39 <@rizen> it works like this:
19:39 <@rizen> you modify addToCart so that it subtracts one from the inventory
19:39 <@rizen> if there is one
19:39 <@rizen> you should check to make sure you have enough for the first add
19:39 <@rizen> in addToCart
19:39 <+perlDreamer> and if there isn't?  exception?
19:40 <@rizen> that's up to you
19:40 <@rizen> the only thing
19:40 <@rizen> that will ever call addToCart
19:40 <@rizen> is your www_ method
19:40 <+perlDreamer> okay
19:41 <@rizen> then you also fill in the getQuantityAvailable method
19:41 <@rizen> and that's what the cart will use to let the user modify the quantities in teh cart
19:42 <+perlDreamer> and from there, all the on* subs that might touch quantities
19:43 <@rizen> oh wait
19:43 <@rizen> i take that back
19:43 <@rizen> you should check the quanity available in your addToCart method
19:43 <@rizen> only if you want to throw an exception or whatever
19:44 <@rizen> the onAdjustQuantityInCart method is where you should actually put the code that modifies inventory
19:44 <@rizen> that and onRemoveFromCart
19:44 <+perlDreamer> and onRefund?
19:44 <@rizen> yeah all the onMethods as you said
19:45 <+perlDreamer> okay, that's pretty clear
19:46 <+perlDreamer> I think I'll make it an exception (just to continue good practice).
19:47 <@rizen> don't throw exceptions in the onMethods though
19:47 <+perlDreamer> no
19:47 <+perlDreamer> only addToCart
19:47 <@rizen> cuz the cart will just think something bad happened
19:48 <@rizen> it won't try to correct the something bad
19:48 <+perlDreamer> and you're checking getQuantityAvailable anyway
19:48 <@rizen> right
19:48 <@rizen> if you have any special reason to do so you may also want to change the getMaxAllowedInCart method
19:48 <@rizen> by default it just calls getQuantityAvailable though
19:48 <@rizen> so you probably don't need to modify it
19:49 <+perlDreamer> Sounds like that would be a LimitedQuantityProduct :)
19:50 <@rizen> well for example, in the EMS, there may be 1000 tickets available, but you can only buy 1
19:50 <@rizen> so they are different there
19:51 <+perlDreamer> I don't think I need to do that for the basic Product.
19:51 <+perlDreamer> it can either be sub-classed or RFE'd in later
19:51 <+perlDreamer> I am more more worried about onRefund, due to a design issue with the JSON collateral
19:52 <+perlDreamer> I've been using the index in the JSON array as a unique identifier
19:52 <+perlDreamer> and as long as only the Asset accesses its collateral, that works fine
19:52 <+perlDreamer> but for onRefund, that could happen a while later
19:52 <+perlDreamer> and the collateral could be reordered between now and then
19:52 <+perlDreamer> so index is not a good solution
19:53 <+perlDreamer> I thought about using variant sku, but it's not guaranteed unique by the system
19:53 <+perlDreamer> Do you think it would be better to add a GUID to the collateral, or to make sure that variant skus are unique to a product?
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19:54 <@rizen> yup
19:54 <@rizen> add a guid
19:55 <+perlDreamer> okay, I was kind of leaning that way, but then I realized that if variant skus are not unique that they won't be able to do an inventory sync.
19:55 <+perlDreamer> but a guid will be useful in other cases anyway
19:58 <+perlDreamer> I'm feeling pretty confident that I can get the inventory control and product manager (import/export) done by the end of the month.
19:59 <+perlDreamer> If I get done early, I'll ask for other things to help out.
19:59 <@rizen> sweet dood cuz i'm getting crushed
20:00 <+perlDreamer> oh, blocking on C2 time due to $dayJob?
20:00 <@rizen> yup
20:01 <+perlDreamer> if you can, make a list with lots of little subtasks.  That way they can be farmed out.
20:02 <@rizen> yeah, when i get time
20:02 <@rizen> =)
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20:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6362 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): finalize template variable names for the variant buy form. Add help for template variables and i18n
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22:39 < metanil> what is the best way to do a form post in webgui way? like i could create form using template and submit.. but how i'm supposed to handle the submission and returning back other page?
22:39 <@preaction_> metanil, an asset
22:40 < metanil> preaction_: :D
22:40 <@rizen> actually...a content handler
22:40 < metanil> ?
22:41 < metanil> content handler is the part of asset isn't it?
22:42 <@preaction_> no, you can write your own content handlers
22:44 < metanil> i search the wiki for it but couldn't get anything about it.. 
22:45 <@preaction_> look at lib/WebGUI/Content/*.pm, the Operation.pm would probably be the easiest to understand. there's nothing complicated about them
22:46 < metanil> thnx
22:47 < metanil> i guess i don't have lib/WebGUI/Content directory.
22:48 <@preaction_> they're added in 7.5
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22:48 < metanil> i got 7.4.17-stable
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23:08 <@tavisto> Has anyone seen this windows install document from Signal Mountain?
23:08 <@tavisto> http://www.signalmountain.co.uk/uploads/Installing_WebGui_on_Windows_V2.pdf
23:09 <@tavisto> I think the 5th box is incorrect as the c:\data\wre\sbin\services\windows directories aren't created yet?
23:10 <+perlDreamer> I think the whole thing is wrong, since the WRE includes perl
23:10 <@tavisto> THAT's what I didn't understand either.
23:10 <@tavisto> but I haven't done a windows install.. heh. But I was pretty certain that all of the perl modules were included already :)
23:11 <+perlDreamer> not only the modules, but perl itself
23:11 <@tavisto> I just got off the phone with a potential customer that was kinda confused at this document. It was added to the wiki instructions but probably isn't helping newbs much
23:12 <+perlDreamer> there's a handy little link for emailing him about errors mailto:feedback@signalmountain.co.uk
23:12 <@tavisto> yeah I know, I just wanted to verify this thing was jacked up. Do you see anything else that sticks out as incorrect
23:14 <+perlDreamer> not in that document, but we have 3 hits for WRE windows in the wiki, and I don't think they all jive
23:16 < metanil> is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?
23:17 <+perlDreamer> Assets are essentially the same as Wobjects
23:22 <@tavisto> yeah there used to be 5 different WRE and windows documents and on one of our staff bug fixer days I went in and got rid of some duplication
23:25 <@tavisto> however, there's more work to do. I often times think that some of the official instructional wiki posts should be locked to prevent erroneous information being added to the documents that people access most when they first start using WebGUI. Although then again that kinda defeats the purpose of the wiki :)
23:26 <+perlDreamer> true, that
23:29 <@preaction_> tavisto, i still maintain that the ability to subscribe to wiki posts would solve that problem, since an editor could maintain it
23:29 <@apeiron> preaction_, Well-volunteered
23:29 <@tavisto> that's true pre
23:29 <@tavisto> I still think that is a great idea/solution as well.
23:29 <+perlDreamer> that's how wikipedia works
23:29 <+perlDreamer> iirc
23:29 <@tavisto> it would end the murdering of valid wiki posts :)
23:30 <@preaction_> pd: exactly
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23:32 < metanil> is there any tutorial for developing Assets similar to "Wobject Development Tutorial" in wiki?
23:33 <+perlDreamer> metanil: Assets are essentially Wobjects
23:33 <@preaction_> metanil, you can use the wobject development tutorial to develop an asset
23:33 <@preaction_> Wobject is a subclass of Asset
23:33 < metanil> why is the first question in that tutorial looks like "Should I build an asset rather than a wobject?"
23:33 <+perlDreamer> so you know which one to subclass
23:34 <@preaction_> asset is lower-level, you most likely want wobject
23:34 < metanil> hmm.. gr8
23:34 <+perlDreamer> tell us what you're trying to do, metanil
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23:38 <@tavisto> Hey Charley
23:39 < Charley> hey.  anyone here very familiar with the event calendar?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> how familiar is "very" familiar?
23:39 <+perlDreamer> iow, what's up?
23:40 <@preaction_> perlbot anyone
23:40 < perlbot> Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help.
23:40 < Charley> ha.  My site is centered.  But, when I click the "add event", my template moves over to the left. 
23:41 <+perlDreamer> for the add event form only?
23:41 < Charley> the entire site moves over to the left
23:41 < Charley> click on "Add" under community calendar: http://web402.plainblack.net/
23:41 <@preaction_> sounds like a bad template
23:42 <@preaction_> bad template <-> style interaction
23:42 <@preaction_> and i'll agree, the add event template is horrible
23:42 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that's it
23:42 <+perlDreamer> if you click on the recurrence tab, it moves even farther to the left
23:42 <+perlDreamer> but outside the form it's fine
23:43 <+perlDreamer> so, only your editors will see this
23:44 <@tavisto> in Safari 3.0 this site is not centered
23:44 <@preaction_> no, it's a bug. i could've swore i fixed this back in 7.4.23
23:45 <@tavisto> top horizontal nav is centered though
23:46 < Charley> actually, I have it set where the general public can enter events, so the public will be able to see it jump to the left.  Which is not so bad, but my menu stays centered.  So it's a little messed up looking.
23:47 <+perlDreamer> I'd file the bug, since the last 7.4 bug release is not too far off in the future
23:47 <+perlDreamer> all new stuff will happen in 7.5
23:47 <+perlDreamer> Haarg: I merged the Form/Email dot fix into 7.5.  Will all others happen en masse for the 7.5.11 release?
23:48 <@Haarg> other things from 7.4 you mean?
23:48 <+perlDreamer> yes
23:48 <@Haarg> yeah, i'll be merging them
23:48 <+perlDreamer> okay, sorry for being impatient
23:49 <@tavisto> Charley, I saw you purchased a new server today. Are you already starting the new South Ark project/site?
23:49 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, he's done a bunch already
23:49 <+perlDreamer> it looks quite nice
23:49  * perlDreamer starts drooling about spudnuts
23:50 <@tavisto> hehe sweet, I lose track of such things b/c I talk to so many peeps.. But that's great
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00:00 < dionak> how do you get a list of everything from perlbot
00:00 < dionak> ?
00:00 < dionak> seems handy and funny
00:01 <@apeiron> perlbot, source
00:01 < perlbot> check out my insides: http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3
00:01 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: help
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00:01 <+perlDreamer> dionak: if you want a list of what it's learned, that's another story
00:01 <@apeiron> http://chrisangell.com/incoming/chrisbot/v3/data/facts.db has everything it seems.
00:01 <@preaction_> perlbot factoids
00:01 <@preaction_> perlbot keywords
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00:02 <@preaction_> perlbot is populated by ... well, denizens of #perl, so uber-geeks and social misfits. you were warned
00:03 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, reading sqlite dbs is not fun :/
00:03 <@rizen> hiring web designers is WAY harder than hiring programmers
00:03 < dionak> true
00:06 < Charley> tavisto, how do you know about spudnuts?
00:07 <@tavisto> I see all of the sales @ Plain Black. 
00:07 <@tavisto> this is Tavis
00:07 <@tavisto> :)
00:07 <@tavisto> I dont know about spudnuts... but I'm assuming you're referring to whatever this new server is for
00:07 < Charley> Hey!  I figured.  I guess that was Perldreamer drooling over the spudnuts.
00:07 <+perlDreamer> mmmm
00:07 <+perlDreamer> spudnuts
00:08 <+perlDreamer> of course, if there was some BBQ nearby that would do, too
00:08 <@tavisto> what is that?
00:08 < Charley> sooo, how do you know about our claim to fame?
00:08 <@tavisto> perlbot spudnuts
00:08 < Charley> they are heavenly
00:08 <+perlDreamer> I read this awesome website about El Dorado, Arkansas
00:08 < Charley> donuts made from potato flour
00:08 < Charley> ha!
00:08 <@tavisto> wow
00:08 <+perlDreamer> of course, they have them in Tri-Cities Washington, too
00:09 <@tavisto> So Charley is this server for the South Ark proj then?
00:09 < Charley> really?  I had no idea.
00:09 <+perlDreamer> oh, yeah
00:09 <+perlDreamer> The Spudnut Shop
00:09 < Charley> the one I purchased today is for the college I'm working at.
00:09 <+perlDreamer> right on George Washington way
00:09 < Charley> we're getting ready to redo our site.  I convinced our CIO to go with WebGUI.
00:09 <@tavisto> cool, I have a hard time keeping up with all your projects.. When we talked originally I remember you developed for like the who town
00:09 <@tavisto> whole town even
00:10 <+perlDreamer> perlbot: spudnuts is donuts made from potato flour
00:10 < perlbot> added spudnuts to the database
00:10 <@tavisto> that's great. 
00:10 <@tavisto> perlbot JT Smith likes small pillows
00:10 < Charley> Yes.  The one we're launching tomorrow (and having issues with the event calendar) is for the city of El Dorado, AR.
00:11 <@tavisto> yeah I looked at the URL you posted... BTW.. it wasn't centered for Safari 3
00:11 < Charley> They are doing a big launch at the Arkansas Welcome Center.  So, everything has got to be perfected by tomorrow. 
00:11 < Charley> any ideas on how to keep it from moving to the left when adding an event?
00:11 < Charley> i messed with the css, but could make no headway.
00:11 <@tavisto> well, I'm talking about the site design in general.. not on the form
00:12 <@tavisto> the navigation on the home page stays centered
00:12 < Charley> ah.  well, crap.
00:12 < Charley> yeah. 
00:12 <@tavisto> however in firefox 2 the whole site design is centered
00:12 <@preaction_> Charley, if i'm not mistaken, there's an extra </td></tr></table> in the template somewhere
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00:12 < Charley> ok.  in the event calendar "add/edit event" template?
00:13 <@preaction_> yes
00:13 < Charley> i'll check it out.  thanks.
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00:20 < Charley> preaction, I believe you are correct!  It still moves a little to the left, but I think that may be due to the width of the HTMLArea.  Do you know how to edit the width of the HTMLArea box?
00:22 <@preaction_> it's just a Rich Edit, i don't know if you can set which rich edit from the Calendar's properties, but that would be my first choice
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00:22 <@preaction_> also don't know if you can edit the width of the rich editor from the Rich Edit properties
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00:29 <+perlDreamer> Charley: Are you coming to the WUC?
00:31 < juan> i had configured a survey and i was checking the statistical overview and every i was checking the view grade book to verify the number of users that had answering it
00:31 < juan> today i was checking again and i find the view grade book without entries
00:32 < juan> i don't know what happened?
00:32 <+perlDreamer> is there data in the database?
00:33 < juan> i am checking
00:34 < Charley> also, when I'm in the Edit section, the font on my coolmenu changes to 8px.
00:35 < Charley> When is the WUC?
00:35 <@tavisto> Aug 28th-29th
00:35 <+perlDreamer> August 27th and 28th, in Madison, Wisconsin
00:35 <+perlDreamer> huh?
00:35 <@tavisto> the workshops are on the 26th and 27th
00:36 <+perlDreamer> my bad
00:36 <@tavisto> dude wtf... there's a dumb typo on wuc site right now... says 2007!
00:36 <+perlmonkey2> Charley: I wonder how much it would cost to hire someone to come up with a good xhtml menu system?
00:36 <+perlDreamer> a plainblack staffer should fix that, tavisto :)
00:37 <@tavisto> on it
00:37 <@tavisto> that's why im not talking atm
00:37 < juan> perlDreamer, i am checking in the survey_response table and there is not data
00:37 <+perlDreamer> well, that explains why the gradebook is empty
00:37 <+perlDreamer> but not why the data is gone
00:38 <+perlDreamer> juan, the Survey does have a way to delete all data, built into the UI
00:38 <+perlDreamer> it's possible that somebody hit it
00:39 <+perlDreamer> you can check the Apache logs for a url that looks like func=deleteAllResponses.*
00:40 <+perlDreamer> also, do you have backups of the database that you could use to restore the data?
00:42 < juan>  i am going to check
00:46 < Charley> End of August?  Yes, I think I can definately do that.
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01:04 < juan> perlDreamer, if I don't want to restore all the tables in the database, can i restore only the tables related to the survey?
01:09 <+perlDreamer> eys
01:09 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:09 <+perlDreamer> edit the backup file to only contain those tables
01:10 <+perlDreamer> I'm glad you have a backup
01:10 <+perlDreamer> A lot of people don't set them up
01:10 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Please consider this as an informal RFE.
01:10 <+perlDreamer> If you have a deleteAllResponses method, please log it explicitly in the WebGUI log file
01:10 <+perlDreamer> who did it and when
01:11 <@apeiron> And probably which survey it affects, neh?
01:11 < juan> ok
01:11 <+perlDreamer> oh, good one, apeiron!
01:11 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: hah, good idea
01:12 <+perlmonkey2> apeiron: also good idea.  So the admin knows who's butt to kick.
01:13 <+perlDreamer> $self->locate('offender')->butt({action => 'kick', force => 'maximum'});
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01:44 < juan> perlDreamer,
01:45 < juan> i have something strange, i have restored the data and all was ok and after some minutes the data disappear again
01:46 <+perlDreamer> juan, it is possible that your database is corrupted.
01:46 < juan> and is happening with this specific survey
01:46 <+perlDreamer> there are other surveys that are okay?
01:47 < juan> yes
01:47 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6363 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: remove out of date collateral comments and fix a POD typo
01:48 <+perlDreamer> did you check the apache logs for that url that I mentioned earlier?
01:48 <+perlDreamer> is it possible that someone else from your team is messing around on the site?
02:02 < juan> perlDreamer, i have another question, in this site i have always some workflows that always have status waiting and never disappear for suspended workflows
02:02 <+perlDreamer> which workflows are they?
02:03 < juan> Commit With Approval
02:03 <+perlDreamer> they are probably waiting for approval
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02:06 < juan> but i don't have pending commits in the site
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02:20 < Charley> hey.  I have a serious dns problem.  We had a webspace set up at web368.plainblack.net.  We upgraded and our new address is web402.plainblack.net.  When I transferred the dns for GoElDorado.com it is coming up with our old site on web368.plainblack.net.  What can I do?
02:20 < Charley> it needs to show the site at web402.plainblack.net
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02:28 < metanil> i got this messages comping every 3 minutes on my modproxy.error.log file.. any idea whats the problem is?
02:35 < metanil> oops .. and the message is in http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7bf65a75
02:36 <@preaction_> someone's sending SIGTERM to the apache processes, meaning most likely someone is forcibly shutting them down
02:36 <@preaction_> or, the wremonitor is doing it
02:36 <@preaction_> which would explain the every three minutes thing
02:37 <@preaction_> wremonitor may not be able to contact your webserver, so it tries restarting it
02:37 <@preaction_> you may not have the e-mail address configured properly, so you don't get the e-mail that the wre monitor sends you
02:39 < metanil> hmm.. ya i just saw that my apache is restarting every 3 minutes (i guess, cause the pid is changing )
02:43 < metanil> preaction_: you got to see this wremonitor.log http://webgui.pastebin.com/d2fbbbe15
02:43 <@preaction_> okay, so it's restarting the mod proxy instance
02:43 < metanil> yes
02:43 < metanil> every three minute
02:45 < metanil> you said that wremonitor is not able to contact to webserver..  (BTW, i use SSL)
02:46 <@preaction_> it's not able to contact the webserver from the front-end (using an http request), so it restarts it
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02:48 < metanil> ohhhh.. make lots of sense
02:49 < metanil> preaction: and there is no any service on port 80.. (only used 443)
02:49 < metanil> i disabled it.. because i'm using 443
02:49 <@preaction_> which is probably why the wremonitor can't contact the web server
02:49 < metanil> hmm.. 
02:50 < metanil> i see eval{$service->ping} in wremonitor.pl
02:50 < metanil> is it good to change it?
02:50 <@preaction_> probably not
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02:52 < metanil> :)
02:52 < metanil> then how do i change it ping on HTTPS not on HTTP
02:55 <@preaction_> i don't know
02:56 <@preaction_> but i'd check /data/wre/etc/wre.conf first
02:57 < metanil> :)
02:58 <@tavisto> my brain = mush
02:59 <@preaction_> plainblack.com down for anybody else?
02:59 <@tavisto> nope just pulled it
02:59 <@preaction_> damn
02:59 <+Radix-wrk> nup
02:59 <@tavisto> u suck
03:00 <@preaction_> at least i have a brain
03:00 < metanil> no.. it working fine for me
03:00 <@tavisto> i have a brain... it's just mushy
03:00 <@tavisto> from too much jibba jabber all day
03:01 <@tavisto> people always want to know about this WebGUI thing.. I tell them I have no idea what they're talking about
03:01 <@tavisto> wrong number
03:01 <@tavisto> ;)
03:05 < metanil> preaction_: i change "modproxyPort"  from 80 to 443.. 
03:05 < metanil> preaction_: i guess its working fine now.. thanks
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04:37 < metanil> can i add comment in a post in Collaboration (Template->Photo Gallery)?
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05:18 < hankins> DNS emergency.  When we first set up our webspace it was at web368.plainblack.net.  We upgraded and our new webspace is http://web402.plainblack.net.  I changed the DNS of GoElDorado.com (the website we are redoing) to cold.plainblack.net and frozen.plainblack.net.  Everything transferred fine, but some people are seeing the old site at web368.plainblack.net.  Can we get that looked at quickly?  We can just kill that site if you like.  I wouldn't normally 
05:18 < hankins> can anyone help me out here?
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05:27 <@apeiron> hankins, How long ago was this? It looks like a simple propagation issue to me.
05:28 <@apeiron> perlbot, dns a goeldorado.com
05:28 < perlbot> Record not found.
05:28 <@apeiron> ... silly bot
05:29 <@apeiron> perlbot, host a goeldorado.com
05:29 < perlbot> goeldorado.com has address 66.98.130.53
05:29 <@apeiron> perlbot, host a web402.plainblack.net
05:29 < perlbot> web402.plainblack.net is an alias for dusk.plainblack.net. :: dusk.plainblack.net has address 66.98.130.53
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06:00 < neild> Need help with new theme using YAML
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06:33 < hankins> apeiron, sorry, I was away.  did you get anything worked out?
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06:39 <@apeiron> hankins, The host is resolving as it should for me according to what you've told me. goeldorado.com -> 66.98.130.53. web402.plainblack.net -> 66.98.130.53.
06:40 <+Radix-wrk> sounds more like a caching issue to me
06:40 <@apeiron> Could be that, too
06:40 < hankins> if you are getting a purple site then it is going to the wrong site.
06:40 <+Radix-wrk> there's no way you can force users to update their dns really.. if they have the old one cached still
06:40 < hankins> the new site is green.
06:41 <+Radix-wrk> I'm getting purple
06:41 <+Radix-wrk> and never been to the site
06:41 <@apeiron> Green here, was there this afternoon.
06:41 < hankins> right.  that's the one at web368.plainblack.net
06:41 < hankins> it needs to be the one at web402.plainblack.net
06:42 < hankins> purple=old, bad
06:42 < hankins> green=new,good
06:42 <+Radix-wrk> goeldorado.com has address 207.44.136.120
06:43 <+Radix-wrk> sure that all of your dns providers are providing the right info?
06:44 < hankins> i don't know.  I have the domain at godaddy. i pointed the nameservers to cold.plainblack.net and frozen.plainblack.net
06:44 < hankins> do i need to change it to dusk.plainblack.net or something else?
06:44 <+Radix-wrk> well dns can often take 12-48 hours to fully propagate
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06:45 <@apeiron> ahh, frozen isn't updated properly.
06:45 < hankins> ah.  yes?
06:45 <@apeiron> goeldorado.com has address 207.44.136.120 # from frozen.plainblack.com
06:45 <+Radix-wrk> that'd be it then
06:45 <@apeiron> hankins, It's frozen.plainblack.com, not frozen.plainblack.net
06:46 <@apeiron> If you filled in frozen.plainblack.net , that'd explain why that NS wasn't updated.
06:46 < hankins> ah!  ok.  can we kill that web368.plainblack.net?  or Do we need to?
06:49 < hankins> nope.  i've got them both set to .com
06:49 < hankins> COLD.PLAINBLACK.COM and FROZEN.PLAINBLACK.COM
06:49 < hankins> sorry.  thought that was the problem.
06:50 <@apeiron> hm. For whatever reason, frozen hasn't updated yet.
06:51 < hankins> any way to force the update, or anything along those lines?
06:54 <@apeiron> Honestly not sure; I work at the other end of PB (client dev) so hosting isn't something I get involved with daily. Don't want to give you a wrong answer.
06:57 < hankins> hm. are you getting a green or purple site at goeldorado.com?
06:59 <@apeiron> Green.
06:59 <@apeiron> As we've seen, the two nameservers are in conflict. Radix-wrk here gets a purple one. 
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> its random which dns server responds to a particular user
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> I just happened to get the purple one
07:06 < hankins> can we kill the purple page?
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> until they're both in sync there's not much you can do
07:06 <+Radix-wrk> if you do then you'll get nothing
07:06 < hankins> how does it know which one to choose?
07:07 <+Radix-wrk> random
07:07 < hankins> i mean, it needs to choose 402.  How do we set that?
07:08 <+Radix-wrk> why not copy all of the changes over to the other site for now?
07:08 <+Radix-wrk> that's what webgui packages are good for
07:08 < hankins> I like that idea.  I don't have any experience doing that.
07:08 <+Radix-wrk> then you can sync both sites
07:08 < hankins> sure.
07:09 < hankins> i don't know how one goes about doing that, tho.  
07:10 <+Radix-wrk> http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/packages-using
07:12 <+Radix-wrk> I'm pretty sure you can clone an entire webgui site by making the root folder a package
07:14 <+Radix-wrk> if all your changes are under /home - or something like that.. then you could package that up
07:14 <+Radix-wrk> make the package on the green site, then deploy it on the purple site in the same directory
07:14 < hankins> yes.  everything is under home.
07:16 < hankins> I'll give that a shot.
07:17 < hankins> well, actually I have pages under home and images and stuff under themes.  so, I package them both up.
07:18 <+Radix-wrk> good luck
07:18 <+Radix-wrk> I'm just thinking.. 
07:18 <+Radix-wrk> you may need to rename your existing ones.. not sure what packages do if they encounter assets that already exist
07:19 <+Radix-wrk> whether they add as a new revision or go and rename themselves
07:19 <+Radix-wrk> if that's the case then you may need to branch rename the entire home directories on the purple site first before you import the new ones
07:21 < hankins> would i be better off just deleting everything under home and themes?
07:22 <+Radix-wrk> I don't know actually
07:27 <+Radix-wrk> probably.. "All Asset URLs in the Package will be made unique after being deployed."
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> so if the url already exists a new one will be assigned.. not really what you want
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> you'd have to delete and purge the old urls tho or they'll be reserved
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> Hmm.. beginning to sound harder than I thought
07:37 < hankins> thanks.  good thought tho.
07:56 < hankins> can you check something for me?  are you getting line breaks on this site? http://web402.plainblack.net/
07:57 < hankins> in IE i get some funky breaks.  not in FF.
08:03 <+Radix-wrk> I use firefox here
08:04 <+Radix-wrk> but in firefox 3 beta 5 I get some wierd flickering of the mouse cursor with your page
08:16 < hankins> I've got a table of images.  when I link on with an <a href tag, it gives me a 5px between pictures.  any thoughts?
08:20 < hankins> only in IE of course
08:20 < hankins> ;)
08:22 <+Radix-wrk> padding or margin defined soemwhere it sounds like
08:40 < hankins> can you use an image mpa in webgui?
08:53 <+Radix-wrk> sure
08:53 <+Radix-wrk> you can do anything in webgui :)
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09:30 < patspam> has anyone seen a spec floating around for Survey 2.0?
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11:18 < hankins> HA!  I'm such a ditz.  I just did a redirect on the home page of web368 to web402.  What an idiot I didn't think of that before!  dur!
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16:41 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:54 < hankins> greetings
17:06 < BartJol> oooh, eeh hi!
17:21 < dionak> halo
17:31 < SDuensin> What do you all think of Google's new FriendConnect stuff?
17:35 < BartJol> well, haven't used it yet, so I don't really have an opinion
17:36 < BartJol> sound a bit like the next facebook, hyves (that's dutch) etc
17:45 <+perlmonkey2> anyone who's interested, Fedora 9 is out a day early.
17:46 <+perlmonkey2> Only prioblem seems to be a lot of the mirrors haven't chmod'd yet, so jigdo downloads are flaky.  But the torrents and main mirrors are working.
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18:22 < lisette> how to create a new session in a macro with a user different of session?
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18:27 < lisette> different of current session
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18:42 < dionak> It looks like you could call WebGUI::Session->user with a userId as an option (hasref)
18:42 < dionak> hasref = hashref
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18:43 < dionak> oh, i take that back. idk
18:44 < dionak> splat_random. what a funny name for a macro
18:45 < lisette> i see perldoc Session.pm and open ( webguiRoot, configFile [, requestObject, serverObject, sessionId, noFuss ] )
18:45 < lisette>        Constructor. Opens a closed ( or new ) WebGUI session.
18:46 < lisette> i use  my $session2=WebGUI::Session->new($userId);
18:46 < lisette> and don't works.
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19:06 < lisette>  lisette: i see perldoc Session.pm and open ( webguiRoot, configFile [, requestObject, serverObject, sessionId, noFuss ] )
19:06 < lisette> (10:45:15) lisette:        Constructor. Opens a closed ( or new ) WebGUI session.
19:06 < lisette> (10:46:53) lisette: i use  my $session2=WebGUI::Session->new($userId);
19:06 < lisette> (10:47:01) lisette: and don't works.
19:06 < lisette> ?
19:07 <@preaction_> lisette, define "don't work"
19:07 < lisette> no funciona
19:07 < lisette> shows me an error
19:07 <+perlDreamer> lisette, the new method ->new, is only for creating a session object
19:08 <@preaction_> which error?
19:08 <+perlDreamer> once you have a session object, you can call $mySession->user({userId => $newUserId});
19:08 <+perlDreamer> of course, you should be sure that you really want a new session object.  Maybe you just want a user object instead?
19:09 < lisette> i need the email of an user, but i can do this with a query, right?
19:09 <@preaction_> you can do it without opening a session
19:09 <@preaction_> my $user = WebGUI::User->new( $session, $userId );
19:10 <@preaction_> my $email = $user->profileField( 'email' );
19:10 < lisette> ok, i'm going to check.
19:10 < lisette> thank
19:22 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: What happened to the smoke runs?
19:22 <@preaction_> don't know yet, i think something minor went wrong. i'll look into it later today
19:23 <+perlDreamer> thanks, dude
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19:39 < JohnRestrepo> Guys, is there a way to pass variables between Flash and PERL?
19:39 <@preaction_> javascript may work
19:39 <@preaction_> javascript and XmlHttpRequest (aka AJAX)
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> But.....
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> An easier way?
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> I mean
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> Something like PHP
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> With the $_POST or $_GET
19:41 < JohnRestrepo> ??
19:42 <@apeiron> heh, $_POST and $_GET in PHP are accessible via mod_perl.
19:43 <@preaction_> JohnRestrepo, first you'd need to write ActionScript in Flash to call the appropriate JavaScript method. then you'd write JavaScript to call the appropriate Perl method
19:43 <@preaction_> these weren't exactly all designed to work well together, but they will work just fine
19:44 <@preaction_> i'm not sure, but you might be able to get flash to access external URLs for data too, i don't know any of the new flash features since Flash 5
19:46 < JohnRestrepo> Thanks guys
19:46 < JohnRestrepo> I'll work on it and tell you
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20:19 <+perlDreamer> topsub: what's the deal with your log.conf file?
20:20 < topsub> i just checked out webgui 7.4.36 and set it up and the log.conf file was pointing log file to /var/log/webgui.log
20:20 < topsub> not sure why it changed locations all of a sudden
20:21 <+perlDreamer> that's funny, because webgui doesn't ship with a log.conf file, only log.conf.original
20:21 < topsub> http://www.webgui.org/downloads/builds/7.4.36-stable/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original
20:22 < topsub> ya i mv log.conf.orignal  log.conf
20:22 <+perlDreamer> yeah, that file hasn't changed since October 12, 2007
20:23 <+perlDreamer> on that date, 7.5 was branched
20:23 < topsub> hmm..  not sure why i am just finding it now
20:23 <+perlDreamer> https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/view/WebGUI/etc/log.conf.original?rev=3
20:24 <+perlDreamer> it's been /var/log/webgui.log since the import into SVN (from CVS)
20:24 < topsub> not sure why its just catching my eye now
20:24 < topsub> just always known it to be /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log
20:24 <+perlDreamer> that's through the WRE
20:24 <+perlDreamer> only through the WRE
20:30 < topsub> ah.. hmmm
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23:26 < dionak> hey there fansipans
23:33  * rizen sets up nudging rig behind dionak
23:35  * rizen points dionak toward some artwork at a Moroccan bazaar
23:35  * rizen nudges dionak in that general direction
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23:58 < dionak> ooooh, ahhh ;)
--- Day changed Wed May 14 2008
00:03 <@rizen> william told me i should nudge you toward the bazaar
00:03 <@rizen> with your theme that you're using at the wuc
00:04 <@rizen> so that was my nudge
00:04 <@rizen> =)
00:14 < dionak> i was curious...how do i get to the bazaar?
00:15 < dionak> or is it still assembling?
00:16 <@rizen> sssshhhhh
00:16 < dionak> :x
00:16 < dionak> oh, oops
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00:27 < dionak> ciao all..
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00:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6364 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed: WeatherData asset is broken
00:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6365 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): fixed: Calendar multi-day events exported wrong in ical feed
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01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6366 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.37 dev
01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6367 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Commerce/Transaction.pm): fixed: checking out in commerce system broken
01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6368 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed: WeatherData asset is broken
01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6369 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): fixed: Calendar multi-day events exported wrong in ical feed
01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6370 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.37 release
01:19 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6371 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.5.10-7.5.11.pl: continuing with EMS data migration
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02:05 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6372 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.37-stable: Release 7.4.37-stable
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04:24 < danny_mk> Hello everyone
04:24 < danny_mk> can someone do me a favor and test passoword recovery on their system?
04:24 < danny_mk> all the fields in my form seem to be hidden.
04:25 < danny_mk> -- darn: come to think of it I have not checked the wiki or forums yet!
04:30 < danny_mk> OK looks like it was fixed in 7.4.16: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/low-ui-level-on-visitor-prevents-password-recovery
04:31 < danny_mk> but I am using: 7.4.36-stable and the fields are hidden
04:31 < danny_mk> I attempted to test it using the demo but the wizard kept coming up.
04:39 < danny_mk> Hmmm... it works from the plainblack website.
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05:13 < danny_mk> perlbot
05:23 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6373 /translations/RedNeck/ (5 files in 2 dirs): update_from_translation_server
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06:26 < perlDreame1> perlmonkey2: downloading FC9 now
06:26 < perlDreame1> have you tried it yet?
06:27 < perlDreame1> oy
06:27 < perlDreame1> I forgot to lot out at $dayJob
06:27 <+perlmonkey2> yep
06:27 <+perlmonkey2> using it now
06:27 < perlDreame1> whaddya think?
06:27 <+perlmonkey2> just finished the install and config.
06:27 <+perlmonkey2> I likey
06:28 <+perlmonkey2> everything is much nicer/faster/smoother.
06:28 < perlDreame1> I got bit by the FC8 infinite loop upgrade bug
06:28 < perlDreame1> so I'm a little nervous
06:28 <+perlmonkey2> But it uses FF3B3 which doens't have firebug support.
06:28 < perlDreame1> yet
06:28 <+perlmonkey2> I never upgrade, I like doing a fresh install.  Forces me to backup everything in an ordered manner, purge the junk, and do a fresh install/config.
06:29 < perlDreame1> I used to do that, but merging in old and new Gnome settings never worked
06:29 < perlDreame1> any suggestions?
06:29 <+perlmonkey2> although I've got it down to such a science now and the fedora gui tools are so handy, it isn't a big deal at all.
06:30 <+perlmonkey2> oh, gnome settings?  I can run through and reconfig it in 5 minutes or so.
06:30 < perlDreame1> not too bad
06:30 <+perlmonkey2> So I don't bother saving any config files (well, I keep my ssh/config cause it has a ton of tunnel info).
06:31 <+perlmonkey2> oh, and I guess my ssh priv key
06:31 < patspam> does it have FF3B3 or FF3B5? Ubuntu 7.10 has FF3B5 which is supported in Firebug 1.2.0alpha
06:31 <+perlmonkey2> oh, B5
06:32 <+perlmonkey2> not sure how I feel about it.  It is nice, but I miss All-In-One Gestures (only FireGestures now), and it is a bit different (alt-mouse wheel is reversed for text size change).
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06:32 <+perlmonkey2> But F9 is a dream.  F8 was so smooth and polished, I didn't expect F9 to be such a large improvement.
06:33 <+perlmonkey2> VileGent had led me to believe it was going to be a disaster.  And it is for all the edge case users (just look at bugzilla).  But for the vanilla users, like me, it is working perfectly.
06:33 < perlDreame1> VileGent?
06:34 <+perlmonkey2> Southern_Gentelmen
06:34 <+perlmonkey2> the #fedora channel op
06:34 < perlDreame1> oh
06:34 < perlDreame1> never been in there
06:34 < perlDreame1> just #rockbox
06:34 < perlDreame1> and here
06:34 < perlDreame1> and #perl6/#parrot for a while
06:34 <+perlmonkey2> he does some hacking on fedora also
06:34 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, I followed #perl6 for a while when I thought I had time to contribute.
06:34 < patspam> perlmonkey2: I've been trying to catch you online here to ask about Survey 2.0
06:34 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: ask away :)
06:35 < perlDreame1> Survey 2.0 is awful due to a non-JSON collateral implementation
06:35 < perlDreame1> I'd never use it
06:35 <+perlmonkey2> hahahahaha
06:35 <+perlmonkey2> tha tis going to change!
06:35 < patspam> is there a spec document or anything i can look at to check out the features it's going to have?
06:35 < patspam> I tried running the Survey2 branch but didn't fly for me
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> yeah, that branch doesn't contain the database changes.
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> or the templates
06:36 < patspam> yeah that's what I discovered ;)
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> just the perl and javascript
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> ah, it is going to do a LOT
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> the problem is my upgrade to the survey was hijacked by $work.
06:36 < patspam> that's cool, I'm just interested in finding out what features it's going to have because I'm planning to build some survey-based stuff soon
06:36 <+perlmonkey2> and they are awful, awful, horrible software developers.  They make me cry, they are so bad at project management.
06:37 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, it will do A Lot (tm).
06:37 <+perlmonkey2> I'm not sure what it won't do.
06:38 <+perlmonkey2> branching is on sections, questions, or answers.  Random questions and random answers.  questions can have variable names, which can be inserted in any text, and the answer to that question will be inserted in that text.
06:39 < patspam> workflow triggers?
06:39 <+perlmonkey2> can set if there are questions on the first section page.  If the section title/text is shown on every page of the section.  How many questions per page.  At the Survey level you can set multiple sections per page.
06:39 <+perlmonkey2> ah, that never occurred to me.
06:40 <+perlmonkey2> how would you like that to work?
06:40 < patspam> in its most simple form just a workflow that you can trigger on survey completion
06:41 < patspam> e.g. so that you can do stuff to the user once they complete it
06:41 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: a survey can have an exit url, sections can also be terminal with an exit url.  So as is, you could exit to a url with a macro that starts the workflow?
06:42 < patspam> ah ok, that'd be fine for my purposes
06:43 < patspam> workflow triggers would be nice at some point to make Survey2.0 more consistent with Thingy, but I'm all for pragmatic solutions ;)
06:44 <+perlmonkey2> probably wouldn't be hard if I saw an example of a workflow trigger
06:47 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: I'll be taking the next 3 weeks to do *my* revision to the survey system without allowing the guys at $work to add input (can you add this feature which takes two days to add, and then remove it after those two days are up).  So if you have anything which is sexy and easy to add, let me know.
06:47 < patspam> perlmonkey2: there's lots of examples in Thingy.pm, e.g. onAddWorkflowId, onEditWorkflowId, onDeleteWorkflowId, etc..
06:47 < perlDreame1> when the survey is done, I want it to email rizen so that he knows the Survey system is still working
06:48 <+perlmonkey2> perlDreame1: still working?  it isn't working now?
06:48 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: I'll give it a check.
06:49 < perlDreame1> that it continues to function well
06:49 < perlDreame1> kind of like a system heartbeat
06:49 <+perlmonkey2> hah
06:51 < perlDreame1> how long did it take you to download it?
06:51 < perlDreame1> you must have tons of bandwidth at $work
06:53 < patspam> perlmonkey2: will it be possible to allow users to review/redo their answers?
06:55 <+perlmonkey2> patspam: Well, I'm changing the way I maintain survey state and I'm not sure that woudl be very difficult to add.  I just finished the req doc and was starting the spec and was going to decide to add that or not when I got to that section :)  
06:56 < patspam> heh cool
06:56 < patspam> is the req doc private?
06:57 <+perlmonkey2> Not at all
06:57 <+perlmonkey2> I'll figure out where to post it tomorrow
06:57 <+perlmonkey2> put it in the forum or something.
06:57 < patspam> awesome, that'd be great
06:58 <+perlmonkey2> Okay, I'm outy 5000.  Time to hit the hay.  Hasta pastas
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16:50 < SDuensin> Greetings.
17:00 < topsub> hello
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17:10 < diakopter> has anyone built the wre 0.8.x on Suse 10.x ?
17:10 < diakopter> anyone here, I mean
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17:11 < BartJol> diakopter: sorry I haven't
17:12 <+crythias> trouble compiling perl on SuSE
17:12 <+crythias> something about math/ undefined floor
17:13 <+crythias> from what I read, I need a -lm flag in the cc
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17:40 < dionak> i'm looking for feedback on an idea. i have a project that is basically a proj management software. a project has an estimate, a contract, a final report and project details. a project also has other stuff like resources, tasks, etc. i'm thinking about making an object structure to handle this with wobjects. is there anything that would 1) make this a bad idea or 2) make this unusually hard in WG?
17:40 < dionak> I'm thinking of it as kind of a mini application in WG
17:43 < ckotil> i think theres something similiar to that already in WH
17:43 < ckotil> WG too
17:43 < dionak> WH?
17:47 < ckotil> no, WG.
17:48 < ckotil> looks like its the ProjectManager asset.
17:48 < ckotil> that could be a good starting point.
17:49 < BartJol> WebHUI: web HTML user interface?
17:49 < dionak> there is a project manager in WG. While the name is the same, the application is quite different. i need a lot more details. i just didn't see a complex example of wobject relation. wobjects usually stand on their own 
17:50 < dionak> that is a class i'm looking at
17:56 <@rizen> collaboration system, wiki, and calendar are all compound assets
17:56 <@rizen> compound asset = a group of assets that work together to create the user experience
17:57 <@rizen> oh, and in 7.5 Gallery and Event Manager are also compound assets
17:57 < dionak> good terminology. that's exactly what i'm looking for
17:57 <@rizen> i suppose i should document that somewhere
17:57 <@rizen> internally we use these terms
17:57 <@rizen> compound assets, meta assets 
17:57 < dionak> that  would be helpful. do you have an approach to designing compound assets?
17:58 < dionak> i'm trying to visualize how the components work together and how to organize them.
17:59 <@preaction_> dionak, most of the functionality ends up being in the child assets, the child assets have some methods (usually getTemplateVars) to display themselves in the parent asset templates
17:59 <@preaction_> but the parent asset usually ends up holding the configuration for the whole shebang
17:59 <@preaction_> templates, workflows, rich editors and the like
17:59 <@rizen> that would be a great chapter for the next edition of the developers guide
17:59 <@rizen> it's too late to get it into this edition unfortunately
17:59 < dionak> and a great presentation at the wuc. *nudge
18:00 <@rizen> too late for WUC'08 also
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18:00 <@rizen> the schedule is set
18:00 <@preaction_> i thought it was going to be in there, so i made my asset chapter make a child asset that could be easily added to a parent asset
18:01 < dionak> so, i should take a look at the mentioned examples and deconstruct those. 
18:01 <@preaction_> yeah. i'd look at the Gallery and the new EMS first
18:01 <@preaction_> those being the most-recent examples of good WebGUI code
18:01 <@preaction_> the CS is, for lack of a better term, messy
18:01 <@preaction_> Calendar needs some cleanup
18:01 < dionak> ok. are there any docs there were used when those were designed? diagrams, etc. ?
18:01 < dionak> ok, thanks. good to know
18:02 < dionak> so the decision to make sku a wobject in the most recent version was because it was somehow different than the other assets of shop? 
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18:02 < dionak> more specific somehow?
18:03 <@rizen> sku is not a wobject
18:04 <@rizen> sku is an asset
18:04 <@rizen> and is the base class of all other sellable items in the new shop
18:05 <@rizen> the wiki is a good example of a compound asset also, and has some fairly clean code
18:05 < dionak> oh, yea. my mistake
18:05 <@rizen> it's also the simplest compound asset in the system
18:05 <@rizen> and is probably a good starting point
18:05 < dionak> ok, simple is a good starting place for a new concept
18:05 <@rizen> the new event manager is the most complex probably because it's made up of 5 total assets
18:07 < dionak> ok, looks like i've got some reading to do. i'll check out the examples and will likely have some questions. thanks for the info guys!
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18:45 < dionak> interesting...so let me run this by you guys to make sure i understand correctly. in my example of a project manager, estimates, contracts, reports. i could have a wobject that is a project manager who has children wobjects of the types estimate, contract, report. 
18:45 < dionak> There are several steps, for instance, to create an estimate. Would the interfaces for this need to be handled by the parent (project manager) or could I hand off this responsiblity to the child? Perhaps the proj. mgr could add the child and redirect?
18:46 < dionak> in the case of estimates, the parent's responsiblity would be to list, retrieve or add an estimate but the estimate wobject would be responsible for gathering all the estimate info
18:47 <+perlDreamer> I'd do it in the child
18:48 <@rizen> generally the creation of the asset is done in the asset with the definition/getEditForm/www_edit methods
18:48 <@rizen> so what pd said
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18:49 <@rizen> there is a bad side effect of compound assets that you should be aware of
18:49 <@rizen> it makes it difficult if not impossible to subclass them
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18:50 < dionak> i can vaguely see why
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18:50 < dionak> so what does the parent do in this type of relationship?
18:51 < dionak> are you just referring to a base class as a parent?
18:51 <+perlDreamer> add children, edit children, list children, report children
18:51 <@rizen> the parent often acts as a dashboard
18:51 <+perlDreamer> no, the parent is a container, like a calendar vs event, wiki vs wiki page, etc.
18:51 <@rizen> it displays an overview of it's children
18:52 <@rizen> and gives you the add / view / edit links for the children
18:52 <@rizen> take the wiki for example
18:52 < dionak> ok, so when pd said "I'd do it in the child", what is "it"?
18:52 <@rizen> it shows you the most recently edited and post popular wiki pages
18:52 <@rizen> as well as the tag cloud
18:52 <@rizen> the add/edit form
18:52 <@rizen> for the child
18:53 <+perlDreamer> yup
18:53 < dionak> gotcha. i'm on board. 
18:53 <@rizen> don't put the UI for adding/editing children in the parent
18:53 < dionak> put the UI in the child and provide a link..
18:53 <@rizen> yup
18:53 < dionak> that makes complete sense
18:53 <@rizen> the child will also contain any methods specific to it
18:54 <@rizen> where the parent will contain any methods used to relate children to each other
18:54 <@rizen> or operate on a group of children
18:54 <@rizen> compound assets give webgui amazing power, but they're a bit harder to wrap your brain around than a standard asset
18:55 <@rizen> a lot more moving parts
18:59 < dionak> it kind of reminds me of abstract factory but it's been a while since i've delved into design patterns
18:59 < dionak> agreed on the power and complexity. it seem to be just what i need tho.
18:59 < dionak> otherwise, i'lll get a mixed-up jumble of assets
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19:05 < dionak> so after you save a wiki page, you're shown the confirmation. where is the page saved? 
19:06 <+perlDreamer> In the wikiPage table
19:06 < dionak> is processPropertiesFromFormPost automatically called? i don't see the call to it
19:06 <+perlDreamer> That's all handled by the master class, Asset.pm
19:06 < dionak> ah
19:06 <+perlDreamer> it is automatically called, and it's the right place to do custom work
19:07 <+perlDreamer> you probably shouldn't ever need to override www_editSave
19:07 < dionak> ok, got it. super is just called all the way back to Asset.pm which updates the table defined in the definition
19:08 <+perlDreamer> well, yes and no.  The subclass does have one, so it's "parent" class.  There's no explicit call to $self->SUPER::www_editSave.  That's just a nitpick, though.
19:14 < juan> i had configured an ldap connection working and today it is not working
19:14 < juan> the webgui.log is show me the next error
19:14 < juan>  WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::warn[431] - Cannot connect to LDAP server.
19:15 < juan> the thing is the ldap connection is not working for new users
19:15 < juan> the old users can connect it without any problem
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19:21 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I forgot to ask you last night, how does wG work with perl 5.10?
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19:25 < juan> why when i try to add or edit a ldap connection, the page is too slow
19:31 <@tavisto> any dutch team awake in here? :)
19:32 <@tavisto> I'm curious because we were contacted by Heise Online and they want to feature WebGUI in their magazine. I'm curious how big of a publication this is
19:32 <@preaction_> tavisto, looks like no
19:33 <@tavisto> yeah that's what I'm guessing too heh
19:33 <@preaction_> the people you want are: MrHairgrease, BartJol, Koen is... i forget
19:33 <@preaction_> i haven't seen alphamega in here in a while
19:33 <@preaction_> don't know if AMH is dutch or not, i forget
19:34 <@tavisto> hmm.. well I'll have to catch them another time.. the site looks fairly large but it's hard to tell
19:35 <@tavisto> and they've got all the big it companies advertising on their site.. that's a good sign
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19:48 <@tavisto> oh this is actually a german computer magazine, and it says 400,000 copies are sold every fortnight and that they are among Europe's most successful computer magazines.
19:49 <@tavisto> now if I only knew what fortnight was
19:49 <@preaction_> a week
19:49 <@preaction_> or maybe two weeks
19:50 <@tavisto> yeah well I could have made those guesses as well.. but I get the picture regardless I suppose
19:50 <@rizen> type in google:      define: fortnight
19:51 <@tavisto> that's amazing I've never heard that word used before. 14 days, 2 weeks
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20:06 < juan> when i try to delete a ldap connection i obtain the next error  Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::LDAPLink::www_deleteLDAPLink. Root cause: Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/LDAPLink.pm line 162.
20:13 <+perlDreamer> tavisto, Heise Online is like Time magazine for Germany
20:13 <@tavisto> well, we're going to be included in c't
20:14 <@tavisto> it's the first navigational link at the top on that site
20:14 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: you're a marketing monster.  How did you swing this?
20:15 <@tavisto> I didn't do anything, they came to us.
20:15 <+perlDreamer> tavisto: You're a marketing slacker.  Why didn't you think of contacting them yourself?
20:15 <@tavisto> so in that regard, it's boils down to the efforts of the community and staff. :)
20:16 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: Koen is synq
20:16 <@preaction_> yeah, thats it
20:17 <+perlDreamer> Joeri is dapperedodo or something like that
20:17 <@tavisto> Well after we were published in CIO, I just figured that the whole world knew about us already.. lol y/r
20:18 <@tavisto> honestly though, I don't know what our following is like in Germany but this sort of thing can't hurt. Especially if they are going to include WebGUI on a CD to 400k peeps and it's going to be on their website.
20:19 <+perlDreamer> man, between that and Debian we're going to be flooded ( I hope )
20:19 < dionak> what about Debian?
20:19 <+perlDreamer> we're in Debian now as a package
20:19 < dionak> oh, cool!
20:19 <+perlDreamer> you can apt-get install webgui
20:20 < dionak> is wre in there too? 
20:20 < dionak> or does the webgui package configure itself?
20:21 <+perlDreamer> SquOnk did the work, but I gather for right now, it's just the core WebGUI
20:21 <+perlDreamer> with all dependencies defined in the package
20:21 <+perlDreamer> and db work has to be done manually for now
20:21 < fansipans> which version of debian?
20:22 <+perlDreamer> you could look in the May IRC log, 'cause I think I remember him talking more about it
20:22 <+perlDreamer> fansipans: Lenny, I think
20:22  * perlDreamer goes back to the lab, where there is great sorrow and gnashing of teeth
20:25 < dionak> pd, you need to get out of that lab
20:25 < dionak> it sounds like hell
20:37 <@tavisto> perlDreamer, I believe you are right about the db config having to be manually done. I read that somewhere from him
20:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: meatbop * r6374 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/packages-7.5.11/ (2 files): Made several minor changes to the Photo Gallery, created a prettier List View template for the calendar
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21:17 <@rizen> MrHairGrease!!!!!
21:18 <+MrHairgrease> mr smith
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21:19 <@rizen> i don't know why, i just like shouting your name
21:19 <@rizen> =)
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> i know
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> i do that all the time
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> i actually tried to change my nick to include the exclamation marks
21:19 <+MrHairgrease> but alas
21:20 <+MrHairgrease> irc doesn't like that
21:21 <+MrHairgrease> yesterday was Ducth destruction day
21:22 <+MrHairgrease> a huge fire which burned up the whole architecture faculty
21:22 <+MrHairgrease> another huge fire somewhere else in the netherlands
21:22 <+MrHairgrease> and I actually saw a harddisk crash through an ssh session
21:23 <@rizen> i think it was world disaster day
21:23 <@rizen> there was that stuff in holland
21:23 <@rizen> and there was the aftermath of china's earthquakes
21:24 <@rizen> and there are tornadoes and arson fires killing people around the U.S.
21:25 <+MrHairgrease> i don't like to say it
21:25 <+MrHairgrease> but you might actually be right =)
21:25 <@rizen> oh and down by dionak's area there was a parking garage that collapsed for no apparent reason
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> the reason is obviously world distaster day
21:26 <@rizen> indeed
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> disaster*
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> i don't think i wanna know what a distaster is
21:26 <@preaction_> someone hit the "Major Disaster" button in SimEarth?
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> it wasn't me
21:26 <+MrHairgrease> I'm to busy
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> I'm gonna graduate 19 june, btw
21:27 <+MrHairgrease> you pb guys are invited too
21:28 <+MrHairgrease> so if you coincidentally have some plane tickets laying around, you'll get to drink free beers
21:30 <@rizen> WAHOO!!!!!!!
21:30 <@rizen> i just got to create a variable named $oldTranny
21:30 <@rizen> you just don't get to do that very often
21:30 < snapcount> congrats MrHairgrease 
21:30 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
21:31 <+MrHairgrease> you may congratulate me at the bar snapcount
21:31 < snapcount> I'll fed-ex a case of America's finest beer to you... O'Douls
21:31 < snapcount> =P
21:31 <@rizen> mrhairgrease, i'll be speaking at YAPC then, otherwise i'd consider it. been too long since i've been to holland.
21:32 <@rizen> and i have some free plane tickets sitting around
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> oh well
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> you can have the worlds second most interesting presentation that day
21:32 <+MrHairgrease> that's a good score =)
21:34 <@rizen> can anybody tell me what "lastPayedTerm" means in the old transaction table
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> it is the term that has been payed last
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> so if you have a subscription
21:35 <+MrHairgrease> with monthly terms
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> that table holds the last term (or month) has been payed 
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> not sure if it hold an incrementing number or a date anymore
21:36 <+MrHairgrease> but that should be easy to find in the recuuring payment workflow activity
21:36 <@rizen> so is it a count down like 99, 98, 97...or is it a month number 1 (jan), 2 (feb), 3 (mar)
21:36 <@rizen> ok
21:36 <@rizen> i'll look it up
21:37 <@rizen> is this something we're going to need for recurring payments going forward?
21:37 <@rizen> should i add it to the new transaction table?
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> hang on
21:37 <+MrHairgrease> i just borked the koornbeurs site
21:37 <@rizen> red alert!
21:37 <@rizen> site down
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21:39 <+MrHairgrease> ok
21:39 < IT> Hi
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> well that was the server with the broken hdd
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21:40 <+MrHairgrease> i using the opportunity to upgrade webgui and the wre
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> ok, let me check that term thing
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21:40 <+MrHairgrease> what i used it for was to keep track of how many payments have been made
21:40 <+MrHairgrease> for instance, a term payment can fail
21:41 <+MrHairgrease> from what i recall, what I did when processing recuuring postback dat from itransact 
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> is back calculate the number of terms that are supposed to have been payed
21:42 < JohnRestrepo> Guys, is there a way to change the collaboration system's wysiwyg editor?
21:42 < JohnRestrepo> Personalize it?
21:42 <+MrHairgrease> and compare that to the actual number of succeeded term payments which is stored in that column
21:43 <+MrHairgrease> so i guess it should be added
21:43 <+MrHairgrease> or the way we handle these thing must be changed
21:43 <+MrHairgrease> which sounds okay to me too
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21:44 <+MrHairgrease> JohnRestrepo: from what i recall you could skin the richeditor with css.
21:44 <+MrHairgrease> It is an option in the edit screen of the rich edit asset you se
21:44 <+MrHairgrease> use*
21:44 < JohnRestrepo> Ok
21:45 <+MrHairgrease> not sure though
21:45 <+MrHairgrease> never done it
21:46 < JohnRestrepo> The thing is: We want to develop an app with flash, we need to make the way that a collaboration system have the Flash interface instead the wysiwyg editor
21:46 < JohnRestrepo> Is that possible?
21:47 <@preaction_> JohnRestrepo, the wysiwyg editor is a WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit, you may or may not be able to subclass it to interface your own rich editor
21:47 <+MrHairgrease> afk
21:50 < JohnRestrepo> It has to be that one?
21:50 < JohnRestrepo> Can I do my own editor?
21:50 < JohnRestrepo> Sorry
21:50 <@preaction_> you can try, sure. the Post form is a template
21:50 < JohnRestrepo> Ok thanks
21:50 <+MrHairgrease> i think it shoudl work
21:50 < JohnRestrepo> I'll try
21:51 <+MrHairgrease> just include the flash thing in the Post Form as preaction says
21:55 < JohnRestrepo> With the Flash app we'll generate an XML, can WebGUI recognize that? I mean, how does WebGUI "understand" what the editor send
21:56 <@preaction_> the editor "sends" HTML
21:56 <@preaction_> the exact value of the form element
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: is the correct upgrade path from 7.3.22/0.8.1 -> 7.4.37/0.8.3 the following
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> wg->7.4.21
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> wre->0.8.3
21:57 <+MrHairgrease> wg->7.4.37
21:58 <+MrHairgrease> that is without json borkage
21:58 <@rizen> sorry, i was on the phone
21:58 <@rizen> yeah upgrade all the way to 7.3.22 on an old wre
21:59 <@rizen> then put in the new wre and the 7.4.latest version of webgui
21:59 <@rizen> and continue upgrading
21:59 <@rizen> if you want, you can upgrade to 7.4.21 and then upgrade the wre
21:59 <@rizen> but it is not necesary
21:59 <+MrHairgrease> sorry to ask,but are you very sure about that?
21:59 <+MrHairgrease> i'd suspect problems with JSON
21:59 <@rizen> JohnRestrepo: yes
22:00 <@rizen> you can make your own rich editor ....just go to the asset manager
22:00 <@rizen> and select "rich editor" in the new content menu
22:00 <@rizen> or duplicate an existing one
22:00 <@rizen> and then edit away
22:00 <@rizen> once you're done
22:00 <@rizen> you can set the rich editor as the one for the CS in the CS properties
22:00 <@rizen> i'm very sure about it
22:00 <@rizen> just upgraded 2 servers that way last week
22:00 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:01 <+MrHairgrease> just being careful =)
22:01 <@rizen> i understand
22:01 <@rizen> i asked the same thing of Haarg, cuz he swore you could do it
22:01 <@rizen> and so i tried it and it worked
22:01 <@rizen> you have to be on any 7.4.x version
22:01 <@rizen> and then you can upgrade to any other 7.4.x version
22:01 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:01 <@rizen> using the new wre
22:01 <+MrHairgrease> but i'm on 7.3.22
22:02 <@rizen> oh
22:02 <@rizen> for that you might have to upgrade to 7.4.0
22:02 <@rizen> first
22:02 <@rizen> i was upgrading from 7.4.8 or something
22:02 <+MrHairgrease> 7.4.0 -> 0.8.3 -> 7.4.37
22:02 <@rizen> yup
22:02 <@rizen> that will work
22:02 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:02 <+MrHairgrease> thanks
22:03 <@rizen> JohnRestrepo: sorry i should have read further what you were asking. disregard what i said.
22:04 <@rizen> ok mrhairgrease...back to this recurring thing. 
22:04 <+MrHairgrease> yes
22:04 <@rizen> so are you saying that in the old system you don't create a new transaction every time something posts back?
22:04 <+MrHairgrease> yes
22:04 <+MrHairgrease> i'm syaing that
22:04 <@rizen> cuz i'm thinking we should create a new transaction every time
22:04 <@rizen> success or fail
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
22:05 <@rizen> it does a few things for us
22:05 <@rizen> 1) we can see failures more easily
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> well itransact adds their tranasctionId  to a transaction 
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> called XID
22:05 <@rizen> 2) we have a complete transaction history
22:05 <@rizen> that's ok
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> and that doesn't change with recurring payments
22:05 <@rizen> we have a spot to store that
22:05 <@rizen> that's ok also
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> that's why i built it that way
22:05 <@rizen> it's not a unique id in our table
22:05 <+MrHairgrease> your idea sounds good
22:06 <+MrHairgrease> and will prolly make trackkeeping more robust
22:06 <@rizen> so if that's the case, then we don't need that field any longer
22:07 <@rizen> right?
22:07 <+MrHairgrease> so I guess using seperate transactions are better
22:07 <+MrHairgrease> right
22:07 <+MrHairgrease> as far as i can oversee of course
22:07 <@rizen> i'll take the heat if i'm wrong
22:07 <@rizen> i just think if we're keeping a transactional history
22:07 <@rizen> we should hav ea new transaction for each recurrance
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> seems logical
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> wait
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> hang on
22:08 <@rizen> hanging
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> maybe i have been doing something like that
22:08 <+MrHairgrease> let me checl
22:08 < JohnRestrepo> Guys thanks
22:10 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
22:10 <+MrHairgrease> i guess not
22:15 <+MrHairgrease> i confused it with the ITransact_recurringPayment table
22:15 <+MrHairgrease> anyway
22:15 <+MrHairgrease> i agree
22:15 <+MrHairgrease> your way is better and you don't need that field anymore
22:15 <+MrHairgrease> just dunno if you want to migrate that number somehow
22:16 <@rizen> you're working on the recurring stuff still, right?
22:16 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> but I'm really busty so it just doesn't go as fast as i wanted
22:17 <@rizen> ok, then i guess i leave this in your capable hands for implementation.
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:17 <@rizen> busty?
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> huh?
22:17 <@rizen> you have big boobs?
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> oh!
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> a big typo
22:17 <@rizen> heh
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> the t and y are like right next to eachother dude
22:17 <@rizen> oh one more thing i need to know about recurring
22:17 < JohnRestrepo> Guys, when I edit the collaboration system I see in a combobox this two items: Content manager's rich edit and Forum rich edit, my question is: where webgui load them? A list or something where I can add my own editor
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> my plan is to work on it friday all day
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> and I'm sure i'll have it finfihed in time
22:17 <@rizen> itransact posts back to us for the recurring payments, right? we don't post to them?
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> no
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> only when you initiate a payment
22:17 <@preaction_> JohnRestrepo, i mentioned above, those are RichEdit assets, WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit. you would have to make your own RichEdit asset
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> every term you'll get a postback
22:17 <@rizen> ok, so do we really need that workflow then?
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> telling you whether it succeeded
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> in the old system: yes
22:17 <@rizen> workflow activity that runs
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> in the new: i don't think so
22:17 <+MrHairgrease> but I have to dive a bit deeper in it to be absolutely sure
22:17 <@rizen> ok, i don't think so either
22:17 <@rizen> though i may need to restructure a few things to make sure that the right stuff is called in the recurring products on processing a recurring payment
22:18 <@rizen> i'll happily do that once your code is all checked in
22:18 < bopbop> JohnRestrepo: go to the asset manager, and navigate to root. Then enter the Import Node folder- you'll find another folder called Rich Edit- enter that folder. Then, from the New Content menu at the bottom of the asset manager create a new rich editor asset; once its created go back to the CS and you'll see it available as a rich editor to choose from
22:18 <+MrHairgrease> okay
22:18 < JohnRestrepo> But Flash is not a perl macro, sorry for the insistence but I need this as soon as possible, what I need is to make the text area of the form a swf that send me a XML
22:18 <@rizen> there are probably going to be lots of little corner cases to smooth over once we have all the stuff in place
22:18 <@rizen> back to migrating transaction data for me
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> is Parse::PlainConfig  still used in 7.3.22?
22:19 <@rizen> shouldn't be
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> ok
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> the testEnv of 7.4.0 wanted it
22:19 <+MrHairgrease> okay good luck
22:20 <@rizen> yeah, that was remedied
22:20 <+MrHairgrease> i'll try to be more often in the channel and keep you updated
22:20 <+MrHairgrease> and harass  of course =)
22:20 <@rizen> coolio...it's getting down to the wire
22:20 <@rizen> i'm a little scared
22:20 <@rizen> this is such a big project
22:20 <+MrHairgrease> it is
22:20 <+MrHairgrease> too bad I don't have more time
22:21 <@rizen> in many ways, it's even bigger than the asset rewrite of the 6.x period
22:21 <+MrHairgrease> but these months are quite hectic
22:21 <+MrHairgrease> well, that was BIG too
22:21 <@rizen> i understand man...and appreciate all the time and work you've put in
22:21 <+MrHairgrease> np
22:21 <@rizen> that one didn't seem so big because i spread it out over many releases 6.3-6.9
22:22 <+MrHairgrease> well in those releases about the whole API changed
22:22 <+MrHairgrease> not just the move to assets
22:23 <+MrHairgrease> it has taken a while, but it was worth it
22:23 <+MrHairgrease> no doubt
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22:31 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: You big silicon hacking stud!
22:31 <+perlDreamer> Way to go!
22:31 <+MrHairgrease> i hack chromium on pyrex
22:31 <+MrHairgrease> and it doesn't work
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> but it's time to end the project
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> it has taken about a year and a half already
22:32 <+perlDreamer> doesn't work?
22:32 <+perlDreamer> Oh no!
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> i have all the pieces of the puzzle
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> but they don't fit
22:32 <+MrHairgrease> a bad result is a result too
22:33 <+MrHairgrease> albeit a bit unsatifacory
22:33 <+perlDreamer> what happens after graduation?
22:33 <+perlDreamer> (aside from drinking and partying)
22:33 <+MrHairgrease> i becomeboring 
22:33 <@rizen> have you decided to stick with Oqapi, at least for a little while?
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> what i would really like is doing more or less the same i'm doing now
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> that is: part time microfabrication
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> part time oqapi
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> i'll see if that's possible
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> if not
22:34 <+MrHairgrease> we'll see what happens =)
22:35 <@rizen> you should move to Oregon. perlDreamer can hook you up with a job at his place, so you can hack WebGUI when you're not working on chips. =)
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
22:35 <+perlDreamer> I wouldn't recommend $dayJob to people right now
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> but that's in the us
22:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: perlmonkey2 * r6375 /branch/WebGUI_Survey2/www/extras/wobject/Survey/administersurvey.js: Slider write ins now more accurate
22:35 <+perlDreamer> we have lots of very good beer
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> and although i like you guys very much and enjoy traveling there
22:35 <@rizen> don't worry MHG, you'd never lose your eurotrash status with us.
22:35 <+MrHairgrease> it's not the place i would go
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> oh
22:36 <+MrHairgrease> if that's the case... =)
22:36 <@rizen> MHG, would it be fair to say that in the old system, only successful transactions are stored in the transaction table?
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> uhm
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> no
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> they are all stored
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> i'm pretty sure about that
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> maybe transaction that completely fail aren't
22:37 <@rizen> i'm trying to locate what field would represent the transaction being successful
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> but if they fail b/c theyre pending or struff like that
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> theyt are
22:37 <@rizen> and don't see anything
22:37 <+MrHairgrease> oh
22:38 <+MrHairgrease> i'll check
22:38 <@rizen> maybe it's authcode
22:38 <+MrHairgrease> the status column in the transaction table
22:39 <+MrHairgrease> i'm pretty sure it's api-fied in WG::Commerce::Transaction
22:39 <@rizen> ok i'll look there
22:40 <+MrHairgrease> wre upgrade is just untar the new one over the old?
22:40 <+MrHairgrease> 0.8.1 -> 0.8.3 that is
22:40 <+MrHairgrease> oh, and a transaction thingy
22:40 <@rizen> yes
22:41 < juan> i have this error in my webgui.log  GMT is not a valid date for email, and is so poorly formatted, we can't even guess what it is.
22:41 <@rizen> and then run wreupgrade.pl
22:41 <+MrHairgrease> it might be handy to have a column like originatingTransction in the transaction table
22:41 <+MrHairgrease> that would point to the original tranasaction for recurring transaction
22:41 <+MrHairgrease> that way there easily grouped
22:42 <+MrHairgrease> regardless of how gateways handle those
22:42 <@rizen> not bad
22:42 <@rizen> okily dokily neighbor
22:42 <@rizen> do you want to add it or should i?
22:42 <+MrHairgrease> you do that
22:42 <+MrHairgrease> =)
22:42 <@rizen> ok
22:49 <@apeiron> 'neighborino'
22:51 <+MrHairgrease> wow
22:52 <+MrHairgrease> i love upgrading 37 release in row with only OK's and done's
22:54 <@rizen> it is nice
23:21 <+MrHairgrease> heh you never guess the time of the version tag that was created when I importing foto's when the hdd crash occurred
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> 13:37
23:22 <+MrHairgrease> reminds me of Final Destination
23:24 < juan> hello, i have created a sql form and i want that a field that i created can be the unique primary key
23:25 < juan> have to modify the table with alter table?
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> you cannot do that
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> because it will break the sql form
23:25 <+MrHairgrease> if you wanna use the sql form, you MUST let IT handle all the key indexes etc
23:26 < juan> for example i created a field call nit and i want that it can be unique
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> you can set that in the edit of the field if i'm not mistaken
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> the problem is that the sql form versions its data 
23:27 <+MrHairgrease> so if you edit a record
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> you will add a row to the table
23:28 < juan> when a user try to add new record an that nit was already added don't let to add the record
23:28 <+MrHairgrease> which will have a colliding column
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23:38 < juan> so, with sql form is not possible to do that.
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> indeed
23:39 <+MrHairgrease> if you use the sql form
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> you'll have to give the sql form total control over the table
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> but
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> as i said
23:40 <+MrHairgrease> i think there is an option to make certain fields unique
23:41 <+MrHairgrease> if it is, it is in the edit screen of the field
23:45 < juan> ok
23:45 < juan> i am going to check
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23:52 <@rizen> MrHairgrease: you wanted me to add an isRecurring flag to the transaction...was that at the transaction level or the transaction item level
23:53 <@rizen> it seems item would make more sense
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> transaction
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> b/c the transaction is recurring
23:53 <@rizen> so the whole transaction recurs?
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> yes
23:53 <+MrHairgrease> actually each recurring item gets its own transaction
23:54 <@rizen> so in the iTransact module then if someone buys a physical product, and a recurring product in the same cart, you create two transactions
23:54 <+MrHairgrease> yes
23:54 <@rizen> ok
23:54 <@rizen> adding to transaction table then
23:54 <+MrHairgrease> ok
23:55 < dionak> rizen, have you seen our bug report regarding rss feeds? josh just finished up a test that exposes the issue. 
23:55 < dionak> it's posted back to the bug report
23:56 <@rizen> no, i'm not subscribed to the bugs listings
23:56 < dionak> http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/rss-and-template-engine-error
23:56 <@rizen> is it something specific you want me to look at for some reason?
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23:56 < dionak> i'm just curious how i can resolve the bug. it's been posted for a little while. any advice?
23:57 < dionak> polite advice preferably ;)
23:57 <@rizen> well the fastest way to get any bug fixed is to either fix it yourself or have a priority bug fix contract with us. =)
23:58 <@rizen> beyond that it will get fixed as we have time to fix it. all 7.4 and below bugs must be fixed by June 12th as that's the last release of WebGUI 7.4
23:59 <@rizen> other than what i just mentioned, you're already doing the right things
23:59 <@rizen> posting detailed bug descriptions
23:59 < dionak> ok, thanks. that's helpful. 
23:59 <@rizen> posting the test will be a big help
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00:21 <+perlDreamer> why didn't she just check that test in?
00:25 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6376 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): finished migrating ems data, and transaction data
00:27 <@rizen> are you calling josh a she?
00:28 < lisette> i have a problem with i18n and tildes, in i18n.webgui.org with DateTime, i translate saturday and wednesday, this two days have tilde, and display in the web page with a triangle, how to do to change this? because the other traductions that have tilde is well.
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> the problem is probably that your editor is not set to utf8
00:29 <+MrHairgrease> make sure you safe in th eutf8 chracter set
00:29 < lisette> yes this utf8 i check this and is well
00:30 <+MrHairgrease> then i don't know
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02:06 < juan> i have the next error WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler::fatal[208] - Authentication module failed to compile: WebGUI::Auth::webgui.Can't locate WebGUI/Auth/webgui.pm
02:07 < juan> the error occurs when a user tries to log out the site
02:07 <+MrHairgrease> it's the lowercase w in webgui
02:08 < juan> and only with some users that were imported with userimport.pl
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> it could be that the import went wrong
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> make sure that in the authentication table
02:09 <+MrHairgrease> the authMethod column (or something like it) does never ever contain webgui
02:10 <+MrHairgrease> if it does update those records to use WebGUI in stead
02:12 <+MrHairgrease> my guess is you used the --authMethod=webgui parameter rigt?
02:12 <+MrHairgrease> right*
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02:23 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, ping
02:24 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Another idea for your "Common WebGUI Programming Mistakes" talk I just remembered: you copy Asset.pm to Asset.backup.pm, make changes to Asset.pm, and wonder why they're not showing up.
02:28 < juan> MrHairgrease, if i want to delete some users from my site, can i delete it by console?
02:30 < juan> and i want to delete records from all the tables that have relation with the userid
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15:51 < knowmad> Can someone tell me why WRE monitor is sending me this email -- "A workflow activity has a priority that is too high."
15:51 < knowmad> what am i supposed to do about it?
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16:18 < dionak> morning all
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16:30 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:51 <@rizen> knowmad, check your settings in the wre.conf
16:52 <@rizen> there's a threshold at which it will alert you about such things
16:52 <@rizen> so you can detect whether you have workflow problems
16:54 < knowmad> thanks rizen. ok, another question. it's telling me the server is localhost. i have about 5 webgui sites running now (testing, dev and production). how the heck do i tell which one it's on when all it says is localhost? how do ya'll tell them apart?
16:56 <@rizen> there's a defaultHostname variable in the wre.conf
16:56 <@rizen> it uses that hostname when it sends out emails
16:56 <@rizen> so pick a hostname that is unique to each server
16:57 <@rizen> and we don't monitor dev or testing machines, only production
16:57 <@rizen> monitoring dev/testing machines would drive us nuts since we'd be getting paged all the time
17:01 < knowmad> thanks for the tips
17:03 < knowmad> i'm not seeing a threshold setting in wre.conf for spectre; do you know the name i should be looking for?
17:05 < knowmad> gotta run; i can follow-up on this later if needed
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17:24 < hankins> I have a shortcut to my event calendar on the front page.  
17:24 < hankins> http://web402.plainblack.net/home
17:24 < hankins> Most of the time the shortcut calendar doesn't show any events, even though there are many event listed in the event calendar.
17:24 < hankins> Oddly, I keep changing the listViewPageInterval override to one (1) month.  But it always reverts back to one (1) year - then it doesn't even show any events.  
17:24 < hankins> any ideas about shortcut overrides?
17:24 < BartJol> mmm
17:25 < BartJol> leok
17:25 < BartJol> let's have a look
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17:28 <+perlmonkey2> hmm, what might I be missing if flash sound isn't working?
17:28 < BartJol> a speaker?
17:28 <+perlmonkey2> whups, wrong channel
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17:29 <+perlmonkey2> heh
17:29 < BartJol> hankins, I see some events
17:30 < BartJol> 9 to be precise
17:31 < BartJol> hankins, aren't the still in a version tag? happened to me quite some times
17:33 < topsub> lol  bartJol
17:34 < topsub> flash is fun
17:34 < BartJol> sorry, had a hard meeting with a customer, so have to make some stupid remarks...
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18:37 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, That's a good one.  I use .mp files instead :)
18:37 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Ah! Nice idea.
18:37 <@apeiron> Of course, another idea is to use Asset.pm.modified or so.
18:57 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: If you need me to come over to Dutch-land and stomp on some customers toes for you, just let me know.
18:57 <+perlDreamer> that way you can always be the nice guy
19:00 < BartJol> perlDreamer: thanks
19:00 < BartJol> your welcome anyway
19:00 < BartJol> but you don't need to do that
19:01 < BartJol> and now, another customer wants me to make their site really ugly...
19:01 <+perlDreamer> Ooh!  I can help with that too!
19:01 < BartJol> :)
19:02 <+perlDreamer> we'll use tables for layout
19:02 < BartJol> I've got a lot of expereince with that already
19:02 <+perlDreamer> and everything will be in English
19:02 <+perlDreamer> and I only use primary colors, #000000 and #FFFFFF
19:02 < BartJol> Swahili might be better :)
19:02 < BartJol> it's this one : http://test.utrechtonstage.nl
19:03 < BartJol> and they want it even more ugly
19:03 <+perlDreamer> It's a band of some kind?
19:03 <+perlDreamer> or acting group?
19:03 < BartJol> nope, a project to bring students in contact with companies
19:04 <+perlDreamer> Do they understand anything about professionalism?
19:04 < BartJol> well, the woman that organises everything is good with human contacts
19:04 < BartJol> but has a horrible taste when it comes to websites
19:05 < BartJol> I HAD to use the green an purple
19:05 <+perlDreamer> oy
19:05 < BartJol> no discussion was possible
19:05 <+perlDreamer> tell her that it produced a permanent burn on my retinas
19:05 < BartJol> yeah, well, we tried to minimise the use of those colours
19:06 < BartJol> this was the best we could do without pissing her off
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19:07 < BartJol> it's kinda hard to tell a customer that she has a horrible taste tactically 
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19:10 <+perlDreamer> dionak: I think you should check the SyndicatedContent test into SVN in the 7.5 branch.
19:10 <+perlDreamer> It's a good test in general, and exposes a bug that needs to be fixed.
19:11 < dionak> ok, we'll do that. 
19:11 < dionak> thanks
19:15 < BartJol> have to go
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19:15 <+perlDreamer> I'm back in the lab again today, please leave me a note if anyone has questions
19:16 <@rizen> why is the sky blue and grass green?
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19:56 <+perlDreamer> The sky is blue due to diffuse scattering of certain wavelengths of light.
19:57 <+perlDreamer> Grass is green because green is a combination of blue and red, which covers a fraction of visible light which helps make photosythesis efficient
19:57 <+perlDreamer> Also, because God wanted it that way
19:57 <@apeiron> Okay, smartypants.
19:57 <@apeiron> Why does gravity exist?
19:58 <@apeiron> (note, I didn't say "Why do things fall")
19:58 <+perlDreamer> Gravity exists due to a certain property of matter, in that it interacts with space/time
19:58 <+perlDreamer> Ask me again after the LIGO experiments
19:58 <@apeiron> heh
19:59 <+perlDreamer> Also, because God wanted it that way :)
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21:07 < dionak> is there a new format for tests?
21:07 <+perlDreamer> new format?
21:07 <+perlDreamer> not that I know of :)
21:07 < dionak> I'm looking at the test for Gallery and it's using WebGUI::Test::Maker
21:08 <+perlDreamer> Ah, that is not a new format, but new tools
21:08 < dionak> it's pretty clean
21:08 < dionak> ah
21:08 < dionak> should we use this tool when making tests in the future?
21:08 < dionak> or does it matter?
21:08 <+perlDreamer> If it would help you, then sure
21:08 <+perlDreamer> It's been a while since I've looked at it, but parts of it didn't use to work
21:09 < dionak> oh. 
21:09 <+perlDreamer> Test::Maker::Permission works
21:09 < dionak> i'll have to look closer. 
21:09 <+perlDreamer> Test::Maker::HTML was the one with the problems
21:09 < ckotil> Does anyone recall the group visualizer macro? i.e. it draws out group inheritance
21:10 <+perlDreamer> It never got made, ckotil.  I couldn't find a good graphing plugin to do it
21:10 <+perlDreamer> dionak, another new tool is TestException, which allows you to run Test::Deep tests on an exception.
21:11 < ckotil> ah
21:11 <+perlDreamer> Check out some of the Shop/Pay tests for that one
21:11 < ckotil> nah, thats ok.
21:11 < dionak> ok, thanks. i'll have a look at that too. i'm a big fan of tests, as you can tell
21:12 <@apeiron> yay testing!
21:12 <+perlDreamer> we could do a testing BOF/SIG at the WUC
21:13 <@apeiron> Where's the sign-up sheet?
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21:14 <+perlDreamer> It looks like 4:10-5:00 BOF in the beginner track is available :)
21:14 <+perlDreamer> but apeiron is busy at that time
21:15 <+perlDreamer> speaking of busy, time to go to the gym
21:15 <+perlDreamer> I'll backlog when I get back
21:17 < dionak> BOF/SIG?
21:17 <@apeiron> Birds of a Feather / Special Interest Group
21:17 < dionak> ah
21:17 < dionak> i'm game
21:23 < dionak> the link to coding guidelines is broken. http://www.plainblack.com/submission_guidelines/coding_guidelines
21:23 < dionak> it's linked in the wiki
21:25 < dionak> i was looking for the guidelines arjan brought up
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02:21 < metanil> can i create a variable in template
02:21 < metanil> ?
02:21 <+perlDreamer> no
02:21 <+perlDreamer> HTML::Template is read only
02:21 <+perlDreamer> Template Toolkit might let you do that, though.  I don't know.
02:21 < metanil> oh
02:21 < metanil> like inside <tmpl_loop file_loop> i++ </tmpl_loop> something like this..
02:22 <+perlDreamer> HTML::Template will definitely not let you do that
02:22 < metanil> :)
02:23 < metanil> (then need to modify perl module ..)
02:23 <@preaction_> why not use <tmpl_var __COUNT__>
02:24 < metanil> will that work?
02:25 <@preaction_> if all you want is a counter inside of a loop
02:25 < metanil> gr*
02:25 < metanil> great.. thns
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02:38 <+perlDreamer> preaction_++
02:38 < metanil> if get assetid for some image.. can i directly get URL for that?
02:38 <+perlDreamer> in a template?
02:39 < metanil> no. in some of the perl module
02:39 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:39 < metanil> like .. i have a $session
02:40 < metanil> or $self=shift
02:40 <+perlDreamer> my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId);
02:40 <+perlDreamer> my $url = $asset->getUrl();
02:40 <+perlDreamer> so, first you get an Asset object, looked up by assetId
02:40 <+perlDreamer> then you ask the asset for its url
02:40 < metanil> so it doens't matter whether its image or any other object .. 
02:40 <+perlDreamer> no, that works for all assets
02:41 < metanil> we just gets its URL..
02:41 <+perlDreamer> yes
02:41 < metanil> hmm
02:41 < metanil> great
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02:52 <+perlDreamer> metanil: That is the URL for the asset, not the image that it contains.  Just a FYI
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02:52 < metanil> i thought image is also an asset..
02:58 <@preaction_> there's an Image asset, but actual files are contained in storage locations
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03:23 < metanil> so, the actual image location( URL) should be return by storage.?
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04:08 < dionak> i missed the question
04:08 < dionak> getUrl is the method that returns the url for a storage object
04:10 < dionak> are you building a wobject?
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08:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6379 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
08:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: JSON collateral rewrite, first part.
08:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: API is rewritten and tested. Upgrade script builds JSON
08:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: for all commerce products with unique identifiers.
08:34 < CIA-6> WebGUI: TBD: Rework Product asset and test it.
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16:31 < bopbop> oooh, look at perlmonkey2 all red now ;)
16:31 < bopbop> welcome to PB
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> ah
16:31 <+MrHairgrease> perlmonky jobhopped?
16:33 <@perlmonkey2> I'm red?  oh wow!
16:33 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: it does appear that way :)
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> so, how many times have you been harrassed by JT already?
16:34 <+MrHairgrease> now that he has the right to do so
16:34 <@perlmonkey2> MrHairgrease: counting the interviews?
16:35 <+MrHairgrease> hehe
16:36 <@perlmonkey2> So far is has been a lot like this channel only in voice.  Kind of laid back, fun, yet on task.  But I don't really start for a few more weeks.  Have to give $oldwork notice and some time to scramble to replace me.
16:36 <+MrHairgrease> so why did you quit your previous job, if I may ask?
16:37 <@perlmonkey2> Lots of reasons.
16:37 <@perlmonkey2> When I started I thought I would be assisting graduate students in research and I ended up working on a commercial product.  
16:37 <+MrHairgrease> oh the survey thing
16:38 <@perlmonkey2> I got to learn a lot.  It was fun being turned loose on a topic I knew very little about and having to pick up several new technologies and basic theoretical backgrounds.
16:38 <@perlmonkey2> No, this didn't have anything to do with the survey system.
16:38 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:38 <@perlmonkey2> That is just a side project a member of the center needed.  The grant that paid my salary didn't need it.
16:38 <@perlmonkey2> Greetings SDuensin
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> Greasings
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> oh ok
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> well
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> you ended up pretty good anyway
16:39 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah, I'm happy with the decision.
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> considering you had an interview with JT and are still able to tell it
16:39 <+MrHairgrease> =)
16:40 <@perlmonkey2> Yeah, I mean I had to go see a psychiatrist for a few days afterwords and they say eventually the post tramatic stress disorder will eventually go away, but I made it :P
16:41 <+MrHairgrease> only a few days is a good score
16:41 <+MrHairgrease> a lot of people would've needed more time
16:41 <+MrHairgrease> =)
16:42  * SDuensin still isn't over it - and he's only been exposed through IRC!
17:01 <+MrHairgrease> preaction
17:01 <+MrHairgrease> you there?
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17:05 <+MrHairgrease> see http://webgui.pastebin.com/m7b960a0f
17:05 <+MrHairgrease> this happens when I'm trying to run upgrade.pl in the svn HEAD branch
17:05 <+MrHairgrease> I hacked upgrade.pl so that it shows the packages it is importing
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> as you can see the root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg causes weirdness
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> but the upgrade fails when trying to import the weatherdatatmpl0000001.wgpkg packages
17:06 <+MrHairgrease> any suggestions
17:10 <+MrHairgrease> the weatherdata is not broken
17:11 <+MrHairgrease> If i mv root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg root_import_gallery-templates.wgpkg.disabled everything works perfectly
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17:18 <@rizen> You know bopbop, if you were to register an actual IRC account, then preaction could keep you red too.
17:19 <@bopbop> I tried long long ago, with preaction's assistance, and we couldn't get it to work
17:19 <@bopbop> I'll try again some time today
17:19 <@bopbop> I do like being red
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> bopbop: just type /nickserv help
17:20 <@bopbop> ok
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> that'll show you how to register accounts
17:20 <+MrHairgrease> and authenticate
17:21 <@bopbop> do I type it right in here?
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:21 <+MrHairgrease> that'll work
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> irc is smart enough to open a new window for you
17:22 <@bopbop> ok, I've done it twice.... nothing happens
17:22 <+MrHairgrease> then your client sucks =)
17:22 <@bopbop> oh, well then
17:23 <+MrHairgrease> which client do you use?
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17:23 <@bopbop> colloquy
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17:24 <+MrHairgrease> rizen: do you have any idea what causes the gallery package to fail?
17:25 <@rizen> yes, you're doing it wrong
17:25 <@rizen> =)
17:25 <@rizen> actually i don't get the error that you're getting when i do it
17:25 <@rizen> it just works
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> hmm
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> weirdness
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> well
17:25 <+MrHairgrease> I'll leave it as it is for now
17:26 <+MrHairgrease> and after I check my code in I'll recreate my dev site
17:26 <@rizen> is the user that you run the upgrade with the same as the user that apache runs as?
17:26 <@rizen> on my dev box i run apache under my own user account
17:27 <@rizen> therefore the uploads folder has those privs
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> me too
17:27 <@rizen> maybe that has something to do with it
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> i already chwon'ed it
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> the weird things are the .svn files
17:27 <+MrHairgrease> they're not supposed to be in uploads right?
17:32 <@rizen> they'll be there
17:32 <@rizen> on your dev box
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> prolly. but why?
17:32 <@rizen> because when you create your dev site, or do a reset dev you're copying the stuff from the www folder
17:32 <@rizen> copying stuff that has the .svn folders in them
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> oh
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> yeah
17:32 <+MrHairgrease> of course
17:34 <@rizen> you know, i wonder if the package file somehow has the .svn folders in it
17:34 <@rizen> the package file should not
17:35 <+MrHairgrease> indeed
17:38 <@apeiron> Depends upon how you compress it, I should think. tar by default will grab everything.
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17:50 <+MrHairgrease> woohoo the subscription migration script seems to work
17:51 <+MrHairgrease> now fix the last subscription asset hickups
17:52 < BartJol> vet
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19:15 <@perlmonkey2> lots and lots of people seem to have issues with ldaps.  What about setting up an howto on using an ssl socks proxy, ssh tunnel or some other secure method to connect to the ldap server?
19:27 < fansipans> stunnel is frighteningly easy to setup :)
19:48 < topsub> I was playing around with thingy and was wondering does it support linking of forms?  Like the linking of SQL Forms.. Or is there a better way to handle that in thingy?
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19:51 < topsub> It seems i can select thingy from the drop down of adding a new field and able to link it from another thingy.. cool!!
19:51 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6382 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm: Some templating changes
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22:01 <@perlmonkey2> Anyone have an idea on the YUI sliders?  If you have a scale from 0 to 1500 but your slider is only 500 pixels, each pixel is scaled by a factor of 3.  But if you have a 100 point step in your slider, that scales to 33.333...  But the YUI widget only takes ints.  So I'm not sure how to get around this.
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22:11 < ckotil> my coworker the ham radio operator would. but he's out of the office to go to 'radio fest' over in Dayton, OH
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22:44 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: workflowIdCommit = workflow used to commit events?
22:44 <@preaction_> probably
22:44 <@preaction_> look in Asset::Event->getAutoCommitWorkflowId
22:44 <+perlDreamer> hm
22:45 <+perlDreamer> In Asset/Wobject/Calendar, workflowIdCommit = workflow used to commit events?
22:45 <+perlDreamer> does it always have to be an autocommit workflow?
22:46 <@preaction_> what do you mean by "always have to be"?
22:47 <+perlDreamer> what if I wanted to use an approval workflow, would that work?
22:47 <@preaction_> yes
22:47 <+perlDreamer> so any commit workflow can be used?
22:47 <@preaction_> i mean, there is no such thing as an "autocommit" workflow, there are VersionTag workflows
22:47 <@preaction_> any versiontag workflow will work there
22:48 <+perlDreamer> ok
22:48 <@preaction_> autocommit is an action that triggers a commit, which in turn triggers a workflow
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23:40 < hankins> Hi!  How do I find out how much space and bandwidth I'm using on a plainblack hosted site?
23:47 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6384 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/CommercePaymentITransact.pm: adding missing i18n label
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00:31 < lisette> i translate the DateTime and the tildes of the days are visibles with error, this show a char like a triangle, hot to do to fix this?
00:48 < lisette> i translate the DateTime and the tildes of the days are visibles with error, this show a char like a triangle, hot to do to fix this?
00:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: meatbop * r6385 /WebGUI/www/extras/assets/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Revised the various photo gallery icons
00:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6386 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm i18n/English/Asset_UserList.pm): Updated internationalization and hoverhelp
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01:13 < lisette> what variable control name of day? in the calendar?
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01:34  * apeiron watches the bug slide.
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02:32 <@perlmonkey2> apeiron: heh, motion bug in the slider bug
02:32 <@perlmonkey2> just got that :P
02:33  * perlmonkey2 parts to go to a birthday party, woot parties!
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04:37 < pilaf153> hello
04:38 < pilaf153> i am looking for help with setting up the shopping cart.
04:40 < pilaf153> we can enable the shopping cart in the admin console, but now we can find an asset for it.
04:40 < pilaf153> -can +can't
04:47 < pilaf153> i see where it says to setup an account and get a ssl, but first i want to find how visitors will buy and view their shopping cart.
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05:51 < pilaf153> please help.  I found some info on a product macro do i need to be using that
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07:12 <+perlDreamer> pilaf153: you still trying to set up Commerce?
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07:38 <@perlmonkey2> anyone still working?
07:39 <+perlDreamer> yawp
07:46 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: what on?  Hopefully something really really fun
07:47 <+perlDreamer> It's confidential.  If I told you, I'd have to use my top-secret gadgets to wipe your memory.
07:47 <@perlmonkey2> hmm.  Could you go back two years?
07:48 <+perlDreamer> Only two?  I'll have to check the manual.  What happened two years ago?
07:50 < pilaf153> hey anyone still around that can help with the shopping vart stuff
07:52 < pilaf153> perldreamer: i still havent gotten anywhere with it.  I will keep checking in to see if you are around
07:52 <+perlDreamer> pilaf153: the product macro is part of it, you also need to set up products in the Product Manager, in the admin console.
07:53 <+perlDreamer> In the commerce settings (beta), you also need to set up payment gateways and shipping plugins
07:53 <+perlDreamer> My best recommendation is that you buy a commerce users guide from Plain Black.  It's got everything that you need to know in it.
07:54 < pilaf153> so do you have a link to download the product macro? I only found a placr that talked about it not a download.
07:54 <+perlDreamer> the macro should be in your install, it has to be enabled in your site's config file
07:56 <+perlDreamer> Another thing you should know is that the whole thing is going to be replaced in WebGUI 7.5.11
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07:56 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Two years ago I started using Java professionally.
07:56 <+perlDreamer> Yeah, that will do it for sure
07:57 <+perlDreamer> "using Java professionally" has the feeling of "using drugs regularly", yes?
07:57 <+perlDreamer> I haven't done either, but I have written in lisp, and feel quite guilty about it.
07:57 < pilaf153> ok at this point I have products in my admin console.  I have payment plugins enabled. what else do I need to do to get the view cart or shopping cart link?  Is this where the product macro comes in?  If so where do I use the macro.
07:57 <+perlDreamer> That's the product macro.
07:58 <+perlDreamer> You give it one of the SKUs or ProductIds from one of your products
07:58 <+perlDreamer> the macro will do the rest
07:58 <+perlDreamer> time to crash, we older folk need our rest
07:58 <+perlDreamer> see y'all later
07:58 <+perlDreamer> oh, pilar153: don't forget a shipping plugin!
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18:33 < wgGuest29> Hi, I have a question about a collaboration System
18:36 < wgGuest29> In the collaboration system template, it has the next lines <tmpl_if pagination.pageCount.isMultiple>
18:36 < wgGuest29> to paginate the collaboration system
18:37 < wgGuest29> I want to add here in the <a></a> a line o code
18:38 < wgGuest29> To use a lightbox effect here
18:38 < wgGuest29> How can i do this?
18:52 <@perlmonkey2> wgGuest29: You want to add in some javascript?  Just add it to the template?
19:07 < wgGuest29> mmmmm, I dont control in this line in the template
19:07 < wgGuest29> <tmpl_if pagination.pageCount.isMultiple>
19:07 < wgGuest29> 			<tmpl_var pagination.previousPage> &bull; <tmpl_var pagination.pageList.upTo10> &bull; <tmpl_var pagination.nextPage>
19:07 < wgGuest29> </tmpl_if>
19:08 < wgGuest29> Idont have the control to add, lines in this tag
19:09 < pilaf153> ok I am still working on the commerce stuff.  I have been searching for a config file for ever.  Where do we find it?
19:09 < pilaf153> Would it by my companyname.config or would it be mystyle.config or would it be webgui.config
19:11 < pilaf153> I am only guessing those because I have created a mystyle using a company name and I have seen people reference a webgui.config file but I do not seem to have one of those
19:14 < wgGuest29> I just add in the <a></a> tag in the pagination line the code rel="moddlebox.htm"
19:15 < wgGuest29> Google Traductor
19:15 < wgGuest29> But i do not see where i can do this
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20:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6389 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): some bug fixing
21:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6390 /wrebuild/build.sh: moved List::MoreUtils into main rather than WDK
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21:31 < metanil> i have a method that take the path of image file.. i wanted the image file from webgui.. any idea how to do that?
21:31 < metanil> i can get the image URL from assetID..
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21:44 < pilaf153> ok still looking for some guidance and infinite wisdom on this config file
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22:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6391 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): 
22:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: fixed some keywords bugs
22:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: took beta label away from event manager
22:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: added option to shelf to include items below it and items included via keywords
22:32 <@rizen>  pilaf153 i don't know what config file you're talking about, but if you're looking for your webgui config file it's in /data/WebGUI/etc
22:32 <@rizen> and it will be called whatever your site name is
22:32 <@rizen> like www.example.com.conf
22:32 <@rizen> or www.yahoo.com.conf
22:39 < pilaf153> awesome thank you
23:52 < diakopter> rizen: I just want to say I agree with your emails to the pm list
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06:24 <+perlDreamer> rizen: Are you awake?
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06:25 <+perlDreamer> preaction_: Howdy
06:25 <@preaction_> hola
06:26 <+perlDreamer> why are you underscored?
06:27 <@preaction_> dunno
06:47 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6392 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm: add an add to cart label to share with others
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07:12 <+perlDreamer> oy
07:12 <+perlDreamer> benefits, features, accessories, related and accessories
07:12 <+perlDreamer> 1 down, 4 to go
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18:35 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: but I still havent' seen any examples of using help objects in a wobject and I'm not sure the best way to go about it.  I was playing with the idea of just appending small packages to the Survey.pm which would be serializeble data structures capable of manipulating themselves.  I'm kind of an abstraction junky and love black boxing data.
18:40 <+perlDreamer> help objects?
18:42 <+perlDreamer> what is a help object?
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18:52 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: just a little class to abstract a small big of data away.  Like for the Survey, having all the question code located in a small object, rather than the Survey object having methods for it.
18:53 <+perlDreamer> oh
18:53 <+perlDreamer> gotcha
18:54 <+perlDreamer> Check out Keywords, or Search
19:02 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I'm excited today.  I just put in my new MB on my quad core machine, so I'm moving my home dev server from an old P4 to a Q6600 :D  
19:02 <@perlmonkey2> production is a C7 1Ghz :P
19:02 <+perlDreamer> Have I told you about my dev server at $dayJob?
19:02 <@perlmonkey2> 15 watts at the power cord :P
19:02 <@perlmonkey2> ?
19:02 <+perlDreamer> It's a P3 500 MHz
19:02 <@perlmonkey2> oh no
19:03 <@perlmonkey2> that just isn't right.
19:03 <@perlmonkey2> quite close to criminal.
19:03 <+perlDreamer> well, that's what happens when you have to scavenge a machine
19:03 <@perlmonkey2> that just doesn't even make sense.  
19:03 <+perlDreamer> well, you have to remember that I'm a chip designer
19:03 <+perlDreamer> and I don't have root access to my workstation
19:04 <@perlmonkey2> If you're paying $help any sort of decent wage, then ponying up a few G's for a decent machine is actually saving money, by decreasing the tiem they spend waiting.
19:04 <@perlmonkey2> oh
19:04 <@perlmonkey2> right
19:04 <@perlmonkey2> but still
19:04 <@perlmonkey2> The CS guy admining your boxes doesn't think the EE guys can handle root?
19:06 <+perlDreamer> No, we can't :)  We tinker too much 
19:06 <@perlmonkey2> heh
19:06 <+perlDreamer> worse than mechanics with company trucks
19:07 <+perlDreamer> Time for church, be back later this afternoon
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19:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6394 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
19:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add tests for handling adding new collateral.
19:22 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Covert features to new collateral API.
20:06 <@rizen> thanks diakopter
20:50 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6395 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): shelves can see skus under them as well as by keyword
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23:53 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6396 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: convert specifications to new collateral API
23:55 <+perlDreamer> this assetId is almost pronounceable: GdnnKuk_srokFLu0CfmSEw
23:55 < BartJol> whoa
23:55 < BartJol> I think the first elements of the periodic table are easier
23:56 <+perlDreamer> HHe....
23:56 < BartJol> LiBenKNOF
23:56 < BartJol> BeBKNOF
23:56 < BartJol> NeNaMgAlSiP
23:57 <+perlDreamer> you win!
23:57 < BartJol> but I stop at Phosphorus
23:58 <+perlDreamer> Is that 23 characters?
23:58 <+perlDreamer> looks like it is
23:58 < BartJol> mmm
23:58 <+perlDreamer> it's a valid WebGUI Id, then
23:58 < BartJol> cool
23:59 < BartJol> nice for a acme object
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00:02 < BartJol> it's also too bad that the rest isn't pronounceable
00:31 <+perlDreamer> BartJol: It's a measure of how tired I am...
00:31 <+perlDreamer> I was going to ask if was as easy to pronounce the periodic table in Dutch as it was in English
00:33 < BartJol> mmm
00:33 < BartJol> but it's only afternoon over there
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00:35 <+perlDreamer> It's been 37 C here, not getting much sleep at night
00:35 < BartJol> ah
00:35 <+perlDreamer> brb
00:35 < BartJol> yesterday it was raining here
00:37 < beginwebgui> some of the perl function use path to a certain file.. how use one that is beging saved in webgui.. say for example image file in webgui
00:38 < BartJol> I'm not sure whether I understand you
00:38 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6397 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): convert product accessories to use the new collateral API
00:38 < BartJol> do you mean an image in the uploads folder?
00:39 < beginwebgui> yes
00:39 < BartJol> ah
00:39 < beginwebgui> the image is uploaded into a webgui folder.. and i have assetid
00:40 < BartJol> well, I think the assteId is remembered and the path might be in the db, wait, I'll check on that
00:43 < BartJol> I think it's the lineage column, but perlDreamer will be back and probaly knowns it much better then me
00:43 <+perlDreamer> what are we looking for?
00:44 < BartJol> the way of remembering the path of an uploads file
00:44 < BartJol> where is it stored
00:44 < BartJol> ?
00:44 <+perlDreamer> you instance a WebGUI::Storage object using the storageId
00:45 < BartJol> let's take an up[loaded image
00:45 <+perlDreamer> Image Asset?
00:45 <+perlDreamer> or Image collateral?
00:45 <+perlDreamer> Or uploaded through the WYSIWIG editor?
00:45 < BartJol> aaah too many questions
00:46 <+perlDreamer> well, they're all a little different
00:46 < BartJol> well, beginwebgui wants to know, I don't know what he/she is doing
00:46 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui: Please tell me the whole story.  What you want, what you've tried, and what the problem is.
00:47 < BartJol> it started 2 days after he was born...
00:47 < BartJol> sorry
00:48 < BartJol> my bad taste of humor is rebellious
00:48 <+perlDreamer> eh, it wasn't so bad
00:49 < BartJol> just still in the mood of a bachelors party yesterday
00:49 < BartJol> ahlf of them roleplayers
00:50 <+perlDreamer> like Dungeons and Dragon role players?
00:50 < BartJol> yep
00:51 < beginwebgui> perlDreamer, there's a function which will insert an image to pdf file, the images are available in webgui.. that has already been uploaded. that function takes parameter as path to image location.  (sorry for delay)
00:52 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui, how were they uploaded?
00:52 < beginwebgui> inside the folder asset
00:52 <+perlDreamer> using the FilePile?
00:52 < beginwebgui> i mean using folder in webgui
00:52 < beginwebgui> i guess not
00:53 <+perlDreamer> this isn't well known, but the "Add Files" link in the Folder is just a handy shortcut to the FilePile asset.
00:53 <+perlDreamer> Okay, so it created Image Assets.  Do you have the assetIds, or the URLs?
00:54 < beginwebgui> perlDreamer, sorry..  i just check in it.. it turns out to be FilePile
00:55 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui: Do you have the assetIds, or the URLs to the images that you want?
00:56 < beginwebgui> ES
00:56 < beginwebgui> YES
00:56 < beginwebgui> I HAVE assetid .. 
00:57 <+perlDreamer> So what you want to do is create an Asset object, so you can ask it how to find the file
00:57 <+perlDreamer> my $image = WebGUI::Asset->newByDynamicClass($session, $assetId);
00:57 < BartJol> don't forget to demolish you caps lock key... :)
00:57 < beginwebgui> :)
00:57 <+perlDreamer> my $imageUrl = $image->getFileUrl();
00:58 <+perlDreamer> will your image into PDF function work with URLs, or does it run on the server and need paths?
00:58 <@rizen> man do i love datatable
00:59 < beginwebgui> no i checked it .. it doesn't work with URL.. it will need local path..
00:59 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui, in that case...
01:00 <+perlDreamer> my $imagePath = $image->getStorageLocation->getPath($image->get('filename'));
01:00 <+perlDreamer> rizen: It looks so cool
01:00 < beginwebgui> oh!!!
01:01 < beginwebgui> thanks.. woot!
01:01 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui, tell us more about this PDF project you're working on, please?
01:02 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: I looked at the Search and Keyword assets and I think I see what you mean.  But I'm not sure what I envisioned would mesh.  The objects I'm thinking of would be collateral JSON, so they belong in the main asset table.  And I would like to be able to do things like tell a section to insert this question as the third index of its questions, which means a lot of has-a relationships.  
01:02 <@perlmonkey2> err, I don't think that was coherent.
01:02 <+perlDreamer> no, it was good
01:02 <@perlmonkey2> Okay, the Search and Keyword assets each have their own collateral table and so need definitions and can have options set using the normal wG API.
01:03 <+perlDreamer> yeah, those are the best examples
01:03 <+perlDreamer> Make you a deal
01:03 <@perlmonkey2> But the sections contain question contain answers would be nice if they were in a single column.
01:03 <+perlDreamer> Please look at setCollateral for API soundness, and I'll abstract out jsonCollateral into its own module
01:03 <+perlDreamer> and convert Product to use it
01:03 <@perlmonkey2> which is just the serialized last state of the main survey object (well, the part of it that contains the sections et al).
01:04 <@perlmonkey2> well, don't go changing anything on my account just yet.
01:04 <@perlmonkey2> I'm still workign through how best to do this.
01:04 <+perlDreamer> rizen has given that project his blessing.  It's just a question of when.
01:06 <@perlmonkey2> but do you see hwo different I saw the JSON columns than you did?
01:07 <+perlDreamer> that was bad communication on my part
01:07 <@perlmonkey2> no, not at all
01:07 < beginwebgui> perlDreamer, just like a gallery thing and they can also have an option of getting it in PDF format. Gallery is same as provided by webgui. there is an option to select which image to convert into pdf.. .. For this i have created a new asset (more or less like folder) each image has its own description and title.. i use PDF::API2 to create PDF file..
01:07 <+perlDreamer> I forgot that Search and Keywords have their own tables
01:07 <+perlDreamer> whereas all this collateralJSON would be convenience methods for asset data
01:08 <+perlDreamer> beginwebgui: sounds very cool!  Have you considered putting this into the WebGUI Add Ons area?
01:09 < beginwebgui> brb.. from my desktop.. (sorry)
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01:11 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: Search has its own table?
01:12 <+perlDreamer> assetIndex
01:12 <+perlDreamer> eh, not really
01:15 <@perlmonkey2> well, either way, I see what you were meaning as far as helper classes.  And correct me if this is way off, but I was imaging more black box objects that only took requests and returned responses, but never interacted with WebGUi directly.  They woudln't inherit from wG and wouldn't use the API.
01:15 < BartJol>  Field         | Type        | Null | Key | Default | Extra |
01:15 < BartJol> +---------------+-------------+------+-----+---------+-------+
01:15 < BartJol> | assetId       | varchar(22) | NO   | PRI |         |       |
01:15 < BartJol> | revisionDate  | bigint(20)  | NO   | PRI | 0       |       |
01:15 < BartJol> | classLimiter  | text        | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
01:15 < BartJol> | searchRoot    | varchar(22) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
01:15 < BartJol> | templateId    | varchar(22) | YES  |     | NULL    |       |
01:15 < BartJol> | useContainers | int(11)     | NO   |     | 0       |       |
01:15 < BartJol> on desc search;
01:16 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: close
01:16 <+perlDreamer> the way I've implemented setCollateral, for example, converts a data structure to JSON and then calls the WebGUI API to update the object with its new JSON
01:17 <+perlDreamer> my goal was to completely isolate the JSON away from the normal Asset methods, so that it would only deal with perl data structures.
01:18 <@perlmonkey2> That's what I was pondering how to do.
01:18 <@perlmonkey2> I should probably just shut up and go try to better grok your new API.
01:18 <@rizen> The term cracker is offensive. We white people prefer Cracko-American.
01:18 <@perlmonkey2> hahahahahhaa
01:19 <@perlmonkey2> that is just wrong
01:19 <@perlmonkey2> funny.....but wrong :P
01:19 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: Here's 1 slice of Product API to look at (WebGUI::Asset::Sku::Product)
01:19 <+perlDreamer> subroutines view, www_moveBenefitUp, www_moveBenefitDown, www_editBenefit, www_editBenefitSave, www_deleteBenefit
01:19 <+perlDreamer> and that's tested and functioning correctly
01:20 <@perlmonkey2> I'll go look them over.
01:21 <@perlmonkey2> that's in the main trunk?
01:21 <+perlDreamer> yes
01:21  * perlmonkey2 guess he could just loko instead of asking :P
01:25  * perlDreamer agrees about perlmonkey2 just loko'ing ;)
01:26 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: would do you think about maintaining a hash as an index so that you don't need getCollateralDataIndex?
01:27 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: I thought about that, but it seems redundant since the collateral is an array
01:27 <+perlDreamer> and everything is accessed via a unique Id
01:27 <+perlDreamer> it used to be accessed only by index
01:27 <+perlDreamer> but I ran into situations where I needed the unique Id
01:27 <@perlmonkey2> oh I missed that
01:28 <@perlmonkey2> thought it was straight up indexing.
01:28 <+perlDreamer> it used to be
01:28 <+perlDreamer> it was beautiful
01:28 <+perlDreamer> elegant
01:28 <+perlDreamer> and incomplete :(
01:29 < CIA-6> WebGUI: dionak * r6398 /WebGUI/docs/create.sql: Adding missing useCaptcha column to DataForm table.
01:29 <@perlmonkey2> protection from cosmic rays?  return unless (abs($index) < $#{$table});
01:30 <@perlmonkey2> :P
01:30 <+perlDreamer> someo needs to tell her that's not how it's done
01:30 <@perlmonkey2> oh
01:30 <@perlmonkey2> duh
01:30 <@perlmonkey2> can't move it down if it is ==
01:30 <+perlDreamer> rizen: ping
01:30 <+perlDreamer> awake from your sleep and hear your volunteer's plea!
01:31 <@rizen> pong
01:31 <+perlDreamer> dionak just commited an update to create.sql
01:31 <+perlDreamer> we need to have that reverted and done via an upgrade script?
01:31 <@rizen> yup, i'll email her
01:31 <+perlDreamer> cool.
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01:32 <+perlCodeNazi> Ve have vays of making your write tests!
01:32  * perlmonkey2 hides the Jewish code.
01:32 <+perlCodeNazi> eek
01:32 <@perlmonkey2> doh
01:32 <+perlCodeNazi> perhaps a bad choice of nick
01:32  * perlmonkey2 went there
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01:33  * perlmonkey2 shouldn't ahve
01:34 <@rizen> i must be dumb
01:34  * perlmonkey2 tries to figure out how to ask why there is a commit after ever collat call without sounding like he thinks it is wrong and only came up with this.
01:34 <@rizen> i can only get to level 7 before i cannot continue: http://www.deathball.net/notpron/
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01:38 <+perlDreamer> I'm stuck on level 2
01:39 <+perlDreamer> pm2: there's an update after every setCollateral, because you don't know which one is the last
01:40 <@rizen> there are hints at the bottom of the page
01:41 <@rizen> i even know the answer to number 7
01:41 <@rizen> i just don't know how to enter it
01:44 < metanil> perlDreamer, poke me when you're ready to hear PDF story (now i'm on my desktop)
01:46 <+perlDreamer> metanil: I was listening before, but please continue in any case
01:46 < metanil> :D
01:46 < metanil> sure
01:52 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6399 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm: convert related assets over to the new collateral API
01:52 < metanil> So i was talking about generating "Image Report" from images that are available from webgui .. BTW, those images and their correspoding information are uploaded by the users.. This createPDF option will allow them to view it as printable format for their reference.. I just created a template for PDF pages.. that will fit images it titlte descriptiton and other file(image infromation).. for simplicity i created one page per images (with descriptions).. i cr
01:53 <+perlDreamer> metanil: I think you got clipped.
01:54 < metanil> ?
01:54 <+perlDreamer> "for simplicity i created one page per images (with descriptions).. i cr"
01:55 <+perlDreamer> that's how your last post ends
01:55 < metanil> oh! :D
01:56 < metanil> (with descriptions).. i create a separate asset for this (more like folder)... it will allow to view images according to their selection (like slideshows).. and then ofcourse creating PDFs... my next plan is to write code for adding user comments on each images.. 
01:56 < BartJol> well it's getting late over here, but if you want to see nice journalism: http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/109791/59dc4ed8/fail_.html 
01:56 < BartJol> goodnight
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02:09 <@rizen> that kevin guy reminds me of Tavis to some degree
02:09 <@rizen> =)
02:09 <+perlDreamer> metanil: I feel stupid for not remembering you talking about this before, because now I remember it.
02:10 < metanil> :D .. thats alright
02:10 <+perlDreamer> Good luck with it, and please feel free to ask more questions
02:15 < metanil> sure
02:16 <@apeiron> hmm, item 6 on that puzzle site doesn't render properly in Safari, FYI.
02:19 <@rizen> it does on my safari
02:19 <@rizen> what makes you think it doesn't render properly
02:22 <@apeiron> Oh, hrmph. 
02:22 <@apeiron> It is if I do something a certain way.
02:22 <+perlDreamer> no spoilers!
02:22 <@apeiron> Trying not to give away any hints. :)
02:22 <+perlDreamer> I can't do it anyway, no Flash audio on my box
02:23 <@perlmonkey2> 6 is driving me crazy
02:23 <@apeiron> It doesn't need Flash.
02:23 <+perlDreamer> No?  Well then!
02:23 <@apeiron> I haven't needed Flash up 'til step 7.
02:24 <+perlDreamer> Back to 4 for a bit
02:24 <@apeiron> 7 doesn't, either, that I'm aware.
02:24 <+perlDreamer> rizen: um having computer problems.  Have to take a C2 break :)
02:26 <+perlDreamer> on 4, is there a problem if you get a client cannot connect from google?
02:26 <@perlmonkey2> no, just wrong browser
02:26 <@perlmonkey2> don't need that google
02:26 <@perlmonkey2> can just use normal google
02:27 <@perlmonkey2> and if you think 4 is a pain, wait until 5
02:27 <@perlmonkey2> and 6, I cant' even get traction on it.
02:28 <@apeiron> aha!
02:28 <@rizen> i wish i could figure out how to answer 7
02:28 <@rizen> i thought i had a way, but it seems not to be it
02:28 <@rizen> i have the answer, just don't know how to put it in
02:29 <@apeiron> Try the most obvious way.
02:34 <@rizen> that just gives you another clue
02:34 <@rizen> to which i also have the answer
02:34 <@rizen> i think
02:34 <@rizen> but maybe i don't and that's what's wrong
02:35 <+perlDreamer> five wasn't so bad
02:35 <+perlDreamer> but six...
02:35 <+perlDreamer> sheesh
02:39 <@perlmonkey2> 6 was stupid, but lucky there are websites to do the hard work for you
02:39  * perlmonkey2 heads to dinner
02:41 <@rizen> ooh, just got closer on 7
02:42 <@rizen> wahoo
02:42 <@rizen> got it
02:42 <+perlDreamer> how many levels are there?
02:43 <@rizen> no idea
02:43 <@rizen> crap
02:43 <@rizen> #8 i think is going to require biblical knowledge
02:45  * perlmonkey2 closes his eyes, no spoilers!
02:47 <+perlDreamer> rizen: I'm your man :)
02:48 <+perlDreamer> 81 levels
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02:59 <+perlDreamer> I'm going to take a break.  I'm puzzled out.
02:59 <@rizen> man i'm so close on level 8
02:59 <@apeiron> heh, that was interesting.
02:59 <@rizen> what was interesting?
02:59 <+perlDreamer> rizen: Product is updated to using the new collateral API and tested.
02:59 <@rizen> nicely done PD
02:59 <+perlDreamer> it just needs a template tweak and its done (again)
02:59 <+perlDreamer> bbl
02:59 <@rizen> later
03:00 <@rizen> actually that sounds like a good plan
03:00 <@rizen> later
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03:02 <@apeiron> The solution to #8.
03:16 < metanil> thanks perlDreamer.. it worked like a charm!!!
03:16 <+perlDreamer> good deal
03:17 < metanil> BTW, where's the best place to put generated PDF for use access?
03:18 < metanil> it doesn't need to store permanently. 
03:18 <+perlDreamer> I would create a temporary Storage location.  They're cleaned up automatically
03:18 < metanil> oh! ya ya.. woot
03:18 <+perlDreamer> my $newStorage = WebGUI::Storage->createTemp($session);
03:18 < metanil> gr8!!!
03:18 < metanil> simply gr8!
03:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6400 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
03:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Convert variants over to the new collateral API.
03:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Convert the upgrade script to the new API.
03:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fix a few bugs in the collateral API with "empty" collateral Ids
03:18 < CIA-6> WebGUI: and add tests for it.
03:59 <@apeiron> Blah, #9 has me totally baffled. Clues just aren't coming together.
04:01 <+perlDreamer> Still stuck on 6
04:01 <+perlDreamer> Time to watch Toy Story and let the laptop cool down
04:01 <+perlDreamer> bbl, all
04:01 <+perlDreamer> and good hunting!
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04:52 < metanil> is this the way of creating temporary file in webgui ... http://webgui.pastebin.com/d1963b48
04:52 <@preaction_> looks good
04:53 < metanil> i am little bit skeptical about creating file first in /tmp folder.. 
04:55 <@preaction_> why not use addFileFromScalar then?
04:56 < metanil> i'll search for the source.. for more info about that.. thanx.. gr8
04:57 <@rizen> i'd do it a little different actually
04:57 < metanil> how? 
04:57 <@rizen> http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4afe5ee8
04:58 < metanil> BTW, preaction_, i returned the URL path, but  its just showing the path in browser body. how do it make it directly open it.
04:58 <@rizen> that way you can create the file right in webgui tempspace
04:58 < metanil> rizen: wow
04:58 < metanil> great!
04:59 <@preaction_> make it a redirect to that url instead?
04:59 < metanil> i didn't know that
04:59 <@preaction_> session->http->setRedirect or something like that
04:59 < metanil> oh yaa, i had use it for one module.. 
05:00 < metanil> thanx rizen, i hadn't think about it.. 
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05:09 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6401 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): got transaction management working well enough to notice that there are a few things broken about it =)
05:11 < metanil> rizen, preaction_... they worked like charm!! thanx guys. 
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05:49 <@perlmonkey2> hmm, if I could figure out the candy bar name, I might have 7
05:54 <@perlmonkey2> okay, I simultaneously hate this game and am utterly addicted.  It wasn't enough to guess the candy bar, they then mess with your head after that.
06:07 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Did you get it?
06:07 <@apeiron> The answer, that is.
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> 7?  yes
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> now I'm on 9
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> which is creepy
06:08 <@apeiron> ha, you beat 8 quickly.
06:08 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, 8 was fun.  there is a process, follow it meticulously, and the answer came on 8
06:11 <@perlmonkey2> apeiron: are you playing also?
06:12 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Yes.
06:12 <@apeiron> 9 has had me stumped for hours.
06:12 <@apeiron> I'm probably just not looking at it properly.
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> want a hint?  I haven't solved it, but I just made a breakthrough
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> this is so much fun :P
06:15 <@perlmonkey2> I love that the riddles are multi-layered
06:17 <@apeiron> I'm pretty sure I have most of the info, it's just not coming together for me.
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06:29 <@perlmonkey2> heh, I love the easter eggs sprinkled through this.
06:29 <+perlDreamer> WebGUI?
06:29 <@perlmonkey2> deathball
06:29 <@perlmonkey2> but yeah, I love those too
06:30 <+perlDreamer> I look forward to searching your commits for more ;)
06:34 <+perlDreamer> and don't think that just because we hang out in IRC that I won't bust your chops about not writing tests, either!
06:35 <+perlDreamer> Someone's gotta ride herd on you PB guys
06:41 <@perlmonkey2> hah, yeah, but writing tests can be cathartic :P
06:41 <@apeiron> It is.
06:42 <@apeiron> I've grown to view testing as a very empirical approach to development.
06:42 <+perlDreamer> It's worked well for me with this JSON collateral stuff
06:42 <+perlDreamer> I suspect a bug, build a test
06:42 <+perlDreamer> verify the bug
06:42 <+perlDreamer> fix the code
06:42 <+perlDreamer> the test passes, and I'm done.
06:43 <@apeiron> Until the next bug.
06:43 <+perlDreamer> yeah
06:44 <+perlDreamer> that's why the methodical, module by module tests that I wrote the last two years
06:44 <+perlDreamer> Session coverage is nigh on 100%, so are User and Group
06:51 <@perlmonkey2> I'll just say I've had to learn a lot about audacity to get 10.
06:52 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, You're at 10?
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> I was
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> just got it
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> 9 made me think of the answer
06:53 <@apeiron> 11, then?
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> well, a superfulous deadend on 9
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> ye
06:53 <@perlmonkey2> s
06:53 <+perlDreamer> You don't have to put on these little glasses that emit laser pulses into your eyes, do you?
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> hah, I hope not
06:54 <+perlDreamer> because if you do, then Data is screwed
06:54 <@perlmonkey2> but 9 turned out to be much easier than I was making it.
07:03 <+perlDreamer> okay, when I export a package, Firefox shows me the contents of the file
07:03 <+perlDreamer> How do I change that?
07:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6402 /WebGUI/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 
07:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Add some more i18n labels used in the Product templates.
07:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Update all 4 product templates to use the new buy variant template
07:07 < CIA-6> WebGUI: variables.
07:08 <+perlDreamer> btw, that means the Product asset is done!
07:08 <@perlmonkey2> poor me.  I don't think I can go any further on my linux box.
07:08 <+perlDreamer> why?
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> in one of the questions source, there is a link to a zip.  The zip contains a wmv.
07:09 <+perlDreamer> notpron requires Winblows?
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> I can't play it.
07:09 <+perlDreamer> There are wmv libs for Fedora
07:09 <+perlDreamer> somewhere
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> course, maybe it is actually a jpg :P
07:09 <@perlmonkey2> oh, I guess I've defiled my machine with mp3, why not wmv.
07:09 <+perlDreamer> you can always quickly remove it
07:14 <@perlmonkey2> hah, don't need the wmv (I think).
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> yay, I finally got one nearly instantly
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> err, maybe not
07:22 <@perlmonkey2> I thought I had 13 :(
07:24  * perlmonkey2 needs deathball AA
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12:09 < wgGuest58> is there an easy address book wobject on webgui?
12:10 < wgGuest58> features: search, duplicate search, filter, contact age
12:14 < BartJol> mm
12:14 < BartJol> I'm afraid not
12:18 < BartJol> but you can make make one with thingy (7.5.x) or currently with an sqlform
12:18 < BartJol> wgGuest58 wath version are you using?
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12:29 < wgGuest58> ok... do you know of any other CMS that has those features
12:31 < wgGuest58> i dont have any version yet.. im trying to figure out how i could solve said problem :)
12:32 < BartJol> ah
12:33 < BartJol> well Thingy, which is available in the 7.5 versions is made for such functionality
12:33 < BartJol> you can make all your own fields
12:33 < BartJol> but 7.5 is not considered stable yet
12:34 < BartJol> so that's a bit of a bummer
12:34 < BartJol> it will be shortly if I understand correctly
12:37 < BartJol> unfortunately I'm not that experienced with other cms's
12:37 < wgGuest58> ok thanks
12:38 < wgGuest58> there are so many options out there its hard to find anything concrete
12:39 < BartJol> yeah I know
12:39 < BartJol> if you have a clear vision of the desired functionality, www.cmsmatrix.org might help
12:41 < wgGuest58> thx :)
12:43 < BartJol> but off course, I would go with WebGUI, even if it doesn't exists even I can program functionalities
12:43 < BartJol> and I don't have a programming background
12:43 < BartJol> :)
12:43 < wgGuest58> ok so its that simple
12:43 < BartJol> I'm not biased...
12:44 < BartJol> well, the API is quite good
12:44 < wgGuest58> API = ?
12:44 < BartJol> but some perl knowledge is very usefull
12:44 < BartJol> programmers interface
12:44 < wgGuest58> ok
12:44 < wgGuest58> si why is perl useful then?
12:44 < BartJol> that means that a lot of functions are pre-programmed
12:45 < BartJol> well, it's written in perl
12:45 < BartJol> it does not mean there is a point and click method of programming
12:45 < wgGuest58> so do u need to install any drivers on the computer that youre accessing the database with
12:45 < BartJol> :)
12:46 < wgGuest58> or can you just use the browser on a windows pc and access + modify all your data
12:46 < BartJol> well, if you install the webgui runtime environment, mysql, apache, perl and some other applications are installed and cinfigured for the site
12:47 < BartJol> most things can be maintained via a browser
12:47 < BartJol> new stuff must be programmed on a server
12:47 < wgGuest58> you mean through ssh?
12:48 < BartJol> but thingy (which is a kind of application builder) can do a lot with databases from the browser
12:48 < BartJol> yes
12:48 < BartJol> i mean ssh
12:48 < wgGuest58> ok nice... i have this week to check out all different options.
12:48 < wgGuest58> it would be nice if webgui 7.5 was stable
12:48 < BartJol> all 1000?
12:48 < BartJol> yes
12:49 < BartJol> well, I've got it running without too many problemms, webgui.org too
12:49 < BartJol> theu allways run the latest version, even if it's not stable
12:49 < wgGuest58> what do u mean about it not being stable thebn
12:49 < wgGuest58> does it mean theres some risks
12:49 < BartJol> well, it's a declaration
12:50 < BartJol> it means something like : we're working on it, it's not fully tested, so go ahead, use it, but it is possible that there is a bug
12:50 < wgGuest58> so its just a formality is that what youre saying?
12:50 < BartJol> mostly
12:50 < wgGuest58> ok
12:50 < BartJol> but for new adds
12:51 < BartJol> new wobjects like thingy
12:51 < BartJol> it can be that it isn't fully functional
12:51 < BartJol> or bad case scenario: the site crashes
12:52 < BartJol> haven't seen that happen up till now
12:52 < BartJol> one time, the forum was emptied, but long live the backups
12:52 < wgGuest58> damn..
12:52 < wgGuest58> if the site crashes do u lose all your info
12:53 < BartJol> well
12:53 < BartJol> probably not all
12:53 < BartJol> but backups are a necessary evil, it might also be tghat the hardware crashes
12:53 < wgGuest58> can i export excel files into webgui?
12:54 < BartJol> not as a standard function
12:54 < BartJol> but i know a guy that programmed something for that
12:55 < BartJol> if ryuu-ro is online, you can ask him
12:55 < BartJol> but maybe that is a functionality that should be added to the core...
12:56 < BartJol> or at leat a odf import utility\
12:57 < wgGuest58> yeah, because the simple task that i outlined for you is aimed at researchers/scietists
12:58 < wgGuest58> that know nothing about computers...so updating the address book has to be very simple indeed
12:58 < BartJol> but that sounds a bit like a custom functionality anyways
12:58 < wgGuest58> but youre telling me that making tables like excel is possible in gui
12:59 < wgGuest58> if u know how to use Thingy
12:59 < BartJol> yes
13:00 < wgGuest58> and also linking search functions (eg. dupolicate search, filter by country, etc)
13:00 < wgGuest58> to the table
13:00 < BartJol> webgui takes some time to get comfortable, but when you are, it's really a very flexible system
13:00 < wgGuest58> ok...nice
13:00 < wgGuest58> :)
13:01 < BartJol> the filter by country shouldn't be a problem
13:01 < BartJol> not sure what the duplicate dearch should actually do
13:01 < wgGuest58> yeah because the thing im looking at isnt very complex
13:02 < BartJol> and the new commerce system is also almost done, so a webshop will also be included
13:02 < BartJol> can be included
13:03 < wgGuest58> well, it should, on command, look through the info and return all contacts that are in the list >1
13:03 < BartJol> oh
13:03 < BartJol> well
13:04 < BartJol> I only see one problem: I can't help you anymore right now, because I'm going for lunch :)
13:14 < wgGuest58> its all good, have a good break. i think i got all th e info i need anyway. thank again
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15:33 < BartJol> ik hoor iets van een leeuw grommen
15:33 < BartJol> en een tik
15:37 < BartJol> en dat programma doet moeilijk daat die mp3 geen wav file is
15:40 < BartJol> sorry everyone, wrong tab
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15:55 < SDuensin> Good morning.
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16:32 < BartJol> hi
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17:21 <@perlmonkey2> How is this possible?  http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/creating-new-theme-using-yaml  
17:22 <@perlmonkey2> yaml used to somehow encapsulate templates and css?
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19:32 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6403 /wrebuild/wre/ (5 files in 2 dirs): fix workflow monitor logic, ensure utf8 safety
19:44 <@perlmonkey2> I have a few survey functions which *could* be replaced with workflows, but I'm not sure if they should.  For instance, setting a date at which users can start taking a survey and setting a date at which users can no longer take a survey.  They could be asset attributes, or we could force the user to create a workflow.  
19:45 <@preaction_> i'd say attribute. just less confusing
19:46 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, and it lowers the bar for usability.  Workflows take someone with some knowledge to do.
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21:55 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6404 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Added Help, code cleanup, some template changes
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10:54 < pened2> thanks
10:54 < pened2> I found the passthrough but wasn't sure that it'll allow the other stuff (Catalyst/TemplateToolkit) to take over control of the paths.
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13:51 < slickware> morning all
13:51 < slickware> who is the best person to talk to about hosting packages - I have a few questions on the Agency hosting deal
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15:05 < CIA-6> WebGUI: yung * r6409 /branch/WebGUI_Userlist/lib/WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): More UserList sort options
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16:03 < SDuensin> Greetings.
16:07 < slickware> 'mornin
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17:23 < slickware> anyone here today?
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18:15 <@rizen> just us chickens slickware
18:18 <@rizen> slickware: what are your questions about agency hosting
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18:35 < CIA-6> WebGUI: doug * r6410 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: fixed syntax error in Operation/VersionTag.pm
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21:53 <@perlmonkey2> I'm trying to start the Survey2 branch on a new server using the WRE and am getting this modperl error.  It
21:53 <@perlmonkey2> s looking like I may have a broken branch.  http://webgui.pastebin.com/d7ebaae27
21:53 <@rizen> you have to install the missing perl modules
21:53 <@rizen> see gotcha.txt
21:54  * perlmonkey2 bonks himself on the head.
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21:58 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: sbin/testEnvironment.pl is a good thing to run on new installs
21:59 <@perlmonkey2> perlDreamer: it never occurred to me to run that with the wre
22:01 <+perlDreamer> Good point.  The WRE usually does provide everything you need.
22:03 <@perlmonkey2> Hmm, well that testenv added one package, but that didn't resovle the failure.  (Running setenv in wre/sbin should have set my env's so that testenv was updating the wre perl, right?)
22:05 <@perlmonkey2> hhm, yes setenv puts the wre perl first.  so I was updating it with testenv.  hmm, the mystery grows deeper.
22:05 <@perlmonkey2> the gotcha.txt in wre didn't help.  Perhaps in WebGUI
22:06 <@rizen> the WebGUI gotcha
22:06 <@rizen> is what i'm talking about
22:06 <@rizen> that's what has new requirements
22:07 <@rizen> there are 4 or 5 perl modules you must install for WebGUI 7.5
22:08 <+perlDreamer> rizen: shouldn't the testEnvironment.pl script catch those?
22:09 <@rizen> it should yes
22:09 <@rizen> but i always do those manually
22:09 <@rizen> i haven't actually run testEnvironment in years
22:09 <@rizen> perhaps it's time to revisit it
22:09 <@rizen> make sure it works properly
22:18 <+perlDreamer> maybe the missing ones are just undocumented in gotchas.txt _and_ testEnv
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00:14 <@perlmonkey2> Exception::Class was what I needed.  
00:14 <@perlmonkey2> strange
00:14 <+perlDreamer> isn't that in testEnvironment.pl?
00:14 <+perlDreamer> hm....
00:15 <+perlDreamer> yup, the last one.
00:15 <+perlDreamer> weird
00:16 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, probably user error and in the window I was testing in I didn't have the env set.  But I was sure I'd done that in all windws.  Oh well, works now.
00:20 <@apeiron> Could be a slightly old copy of tE.pl. When I updated it for the new export stuff, I forgot to put E::C in the list.
00:21 <+perlDreamer> perlmonkey2: was this using TRUNK, or a branch?
00:22 <@perlmonkey2> branch
00:22 <+perlDreamer> you may want to merge trunk back into your branch to get all the latest stuff
00:23 <@perlmonkey2> An older branch.  I had been using only the /Asset/WebGUI and the /extras/ from that branch with the rest being from stable.
00:23 <@perlmonkey2> sure, that would be mighty kind of you.
00:26 < lisette> anyone know why i do a change in my site and don't save this changes?
00:27 <+perlDreamer> don't save or don't see?
00:27 < lisette> don't save
00:27 <@apeiron> Is spectre running?
00:27 < lisette> yes
00:28 <@apeiron> hm. Checked the error log?
00:28 <+perlDreamer> User level caching can often take 10-20 minutes.
00:28 < lisette> webgui.log or error.log of apache?
00:28 <@apeiron> webgui.log.
00:28 < lisette> i do the changes like admin
00:29 <+perlDreamer> what kind of changes?
00:29 < lisette> in the webgui.log i don't see error, only warnings
00:29 < lisette> i edit a page layout for to modified a option in an article
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00:30 <+perlDreamer> page layouts should not affect articles, except for positioning on the page.
00:30 < lisette> but this happend with another stuff
00:31 < lisette> the only change is the ip, maybe can be this?
00:33 < lisette> i add other line in the article and don't save this.
00:33 <@apeiron> I'm trying to give an asset a URL ending with a . as in my $url = 'http://localhost/home/test.';
00:33 <@apeiron> When I save, the . is stripped: $url =~ s/.$//;
00:33 <@apeiron> Is this a bug?
00:35 < lisette> ?
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00:41 < lisette> was the date of server
00:41 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, no.
00:41 <+perlDreamer> See Session::Url makeCompliant and i18n/English.pm makeUrlCompliant
00:42 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Ah, very good. THanks.
00:42 <+perlDreamer> need to talk to Dr. Rizen to ask why that's in there.
00:42 <@rizen> why ask why, make bud dry
00:42 <@rizen> drink bud dry
00:42 <@rizen> yeah that's it
00:43 <+perlDreamer> There once was a pirate from Penzance
00:43 <+perlDreamer> Who had fire ants in his pants
00:43 <+perlDreamer> He hollered and jumped
00:43 <@rizen> ooooh
00:43 <@rizen> ouch
00:43 <+perlDreamer> His wooden leg went thump
00:43 <+perlDreamer> and his friends said, "Hey, cool dance."
00:44 <+perlDreamer> so why, rizen, why?  Why are you taking our dots away from us?  Why?
00:45 <@apeiron> I'd not be surprised if it's part of an HTTP standard and I just don't know such.
00:45 <+perlDreamer> HTTP shouldn't care about filenames.
00:46 <@apeiron> It may care about URIs / URLs, though.
00:46 <@rizen> it was a request from a client
00:46 <@rizen> that all urls have only one dot in the file name
00:46 <@rizen> i think it was something related to exports
00:47 <@rizen> plus it doesn't hurt anything
00:55 <+perlDreamer> apeiron, you could always make your own translation, called Pennsylvanian, which symlinks all the English i18n files and has its own makeUrlCompliant subroutine.
00:56 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, I'd probably call it something like 'WeLikeDotsInOurFilesian' or such. :)
00:56 <@apeiron> s/Files/URLs/
01:02 < lisette> how to alterate the karma of visitor?
01:03 <+perlDreamer> visitor probably shouldn't get karma, since it could be multiple people
01:04 < lisette> yes, i need to do this
01:05 < lisette> but i have a site that the visitor have karma in 130, i need put in zero, or unabled
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03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Give the different kinds of labels (subroutine i18n vs object i18n) different textual labels
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: for better diagnostics.
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: colin * r6414 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (i18n/English/Asset_FilePile.pm Asset/FilePile.pm): convert FilePile to use i18n labels out of the Asset instead of duplicating them
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: chrisn * r6415 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm: 
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: Fixed POD for exportGetUrlAsPath. Parameter list didn't match actual
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: parameters.
03:31 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6416 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): transaction manager working
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06:18 <@perlmonkey2> Using a "wait mask" over the main content when a modal container is being displayed is just too sexy.  I have to work this into the Survey.
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06:30 <@perlmonkey2> Did everyone go to bed?
06:32 <+Radix-wrk> no
06:32 <+Radix-wrk> us aussies are still wide awake
06:33 <@apeiron> Because it's early afternoon for you. :)
06:34 <+Radix-wrk> Well.. not quite lunch time here, but yeah :)
06:34 <@apeiron> You must be a bit further west than Sydney, then.
06:34 <+Radix-wrk> as far west as you can go and still be in australia, yes ;)
06:35 <@apeiron> heh
06:36 <@apeiron> My excuse for being so quiet is that I'm fiddling with accessing Cocoa from Perl.
06:39 <@perlmonkey2> yeah, I hit that link you left on #perl.
06:39 <@perlmonkey2> pretty cool
06:40 <@perlmonkey2> no cocoa for windows though :(
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06:45 <@apeiron> perlmonkey2, Once you get a Mac I suggest giving it a shot. I was fiddling with the address book earlier.
06:47 <+perlDreamer> What kind of shot did you use, apeiron?  Bird, or a slug?
06:47 <@apeiron> heh
06:47 <@apeiron> Perl, actually.
06:47 <@apeiron> perlDreamer, Been fiddling with the Cocoa<->Perl bridge on OSX.
06:47 <+perlDreamer> cool
06:47 <+perlDreamer> the blogs on use.perl.org may be of interest, since pudge and others are perl/Cocoa users
06:48  * apeiron nods
06:48 <@apeiron> And brian d foy, etc.
06:48 <+perlDreamer> I see I'm preaching to the choir :)
06:48 <@apeiron> But actually the blog post I found which got me started on this was written by someone whose name I didn't recognize.
06:49 <@apeiron> Nonetheless the info was completely valid. 
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07:07 < fiddur> Hello folks.  Is there any place where consultants working with webgui worldwide (or just sweden?) is listed?   ...we have more work than we manage right now and would like to either hire someone on an hourly basis or let them take some contracts.
07:07 < fiddur> I mean working with building sites in webgui, not developing webgui itself.
07:08 <+perlDreamer> fiddur, do you want a European contractor, or are others welcome?
07:09 < fiddur> perlDreamer: If it were just up to me anyone would be welcome, but I think our customers would prefer a swedish speaking person they can meet here in sweden without too much extra cost... 
07:09 <+perlDreamer> there's a list of webgui service providers here: http://www.webgui.org/w3
07:10 <+perlDreamer> I would recommend Oqapi and/or Procolix.  The are in The Netherlands, and are an excellent company.
07:12 < fiddur> Thanks, I'll look into that
07:22 <+perlDreamer> I don't believe it
07:22 <+perlDreamer> rizen busted Text::Balanced
07:24 <+perlDreamer> line 561 of the EMS confuses its perl codeblock extractor
07:24 <+perlDreamer> and that's causing the false label trips in the label test
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> not sure if anyone at Oqapi/Procolix speaks swedish tho - but they are both excellent companies I'll agree.  UnitedKnowledge are also another company offering services to european countries
07:28 <+Radix-wrk> again, no idea if any of them speak swedish :)
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10:01 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6419 /translations/German/German/ (7 files): update_from_translation_server
10:02 <@apeiron> Good morning, Deutschland!
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10:13 < patspam> hey Radix did you say you're in western australia?
10:14 < patspam> Radix_: ping
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11:50 <+Radix_> patspam: yeah :)
11:52 < patspam> ah cool, I'm in Melbourne
11:53 <+Radix_> s'ok, I won't hold that against you ;)
11:53 < patspam> likewise! =p
11:53 <+Radix_> hehe
11:54 <+Radix_> heh.. I was born in Kew myself.. but escaped from Victoria at a young age.
11:54 < CIA-6> WebGUI: martin * r6420 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Adding the subscription asset
11:54 < patspam> ah nice, I haven't been to Perth yet, but hopefully one day..
11:55 <+Radix_> it's a great place :)
11:56 < patspam> are you working for a perl shop over there? or involved in wG for your own stuff..?
11:57 <+Radix_> nah, not as hard core as that really.  We use WebGUI for our company website/intranet/extranet
11:58 < patspam> ah ok, I'm just interested because I haven't run into many people using it here in melb (yet..)
11:58 <+Radix_> I've done a little contract work on the side as well for WebGUI hosting/development too, but pretty small scale stuff.
11:59 <+Radix_> Yeah, wish more people were using it.. and more hosting services offering it, but general knowledge of WG is still pretty small.
12:00 <+Radix_> We've been using webgui since 5.8.x ourselves and it's been very successful for us
12:00 < patspam> nice
12:00 <+Radix_> but we're prettymuch using stock components.. very little custom development really.
12:01 < patspam> i started using it at a hosting company that was dabbling, and then when that company closed its doors me and a couple of other developers started our own outfit doing lots of custom wG stuff
12:01 <+Radix_> Which is good as my perl knowledge is still fairly basic :)
12:01 <+Radix_> cool
12:02 < patspam> yeah we're pretty excited that wG is coming out with all these awesome next-gen Wobjects like Thingy just when we're getting serious about our own custom wG dev
12:05 <+Radix_> yup, should be good :)
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16:41 < SDuensin> Greetings.
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16:55 < lisette> i want to build a new rich editor and i want to be a plugin of webgui, how to do?
16:55 < lisette> i build the asset or i have to do another stuff?
16:56 <@rizen> It would have to use the same API as and replace the RichEdit asset
16:56 <@rizen> because rich editors are not pluggable in webgui
16:56 <@rizen> so you'd have to replace the RichEdit asset
16:57 < lisette> ok, thanks.
16:58 < lisette> if i want to share with the community, what i must do?
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17:08 <@rizen> simply upload your new module to the "Get Add-ons" area of webgui.org
17:08 <@rizen> Then other people can download it and install it.
17:08 <@rizen> Of course you should provide some instructions on how to install it.
17:10 < lisette> there any posibility that the community were probe to include in the official version of webgui?
17:12 < AMH_bob> @lisette: (could you rephrase that question?)
17:14 < lisette> After that there was any possibility that the community has used the new editor this be included in the official version of WebGUI?
17:19 <@rizen> not likely, but i certainly wont' say no
17:19 <@rizen> i'd have to see what it's capable of
17:19 <@rizen> what it's advantages are over what we have now
17:19 <@rizen> and what the community's reaction to it is
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17:26 < lisette> ok, thanks
17:26 < AMH_bob> @lissete: tiny can be somewhat customized in WebGUI, tiny allows third party plug-ins you can make your self and you could of course just hack away at tiny. (We have done all 3 in the past.)
17:27 < AMH_bob> (We don't always run the same version of Tiny that WebGUI comes with)
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17:30 < AMH_bob> @lisette: The tiny people are also open for suggestions, when I asked them about a feature 4 months ago, they told me that if I could supply the solution, they would consider adding it.
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17:37 < lisette> where i found the Tini people?
17:37 < AMH_bob> http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/
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17:54 < lisette> i don't make an editor of html, i make a editor with flash and this generated a xml, this editor is to make mind maps
17:55 < AMH_bob> Hmmm, why would you want every editor screen to be based on mind maps? Just add a Wobject that handels the output you need.
18:00 < lisette> we want that this editor have all funtions same that the collaboration system
18:02 < AMH_bob> Hmmm, sounds like good stuff... work out some of your ideas online (including WebGUI wishes like the collaboration system) and drop the url here for a quick brainstorm session - I'm sure people can help you get along with your project.
18:03 < AMH_bob> It's 5pm, work is done - time for pizza and Wii !!!
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18:27 < ckotil> can the search.pl 'site indexing' script be used to index only certain part's of the site? i.e. not import_node , along with some others.
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18:31 <@rizen> ckotil no
18:31 <@rizen> it indexes everything
18:32 <@rizen> it needs it so that search in the asset manager works
18:32 <@rizen> however, your search asset can be limited to a specific portion of the site
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18:34 < ckotil> gotcha
18:34 < ckotil> ya, i confirmed it.
18:35 < ckotil> im just brainstorming a way to get our new 'staging area' out of the scope of the search asset.
18:35 < ckotil> which should be straightforward. simply move all the stuff you want searched beneath a parent, and set the scope tot he parent. but there is one asset, which happens to have a lot of stuff beneath that i cannot move.
18:36 < ckotil> it wont cut and paste. and no errors reach the logs.
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6422 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.4.38 dev
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6423 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Mail/Get.pm): fixed: CS mail retrieval doesn't decode subject properly
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6424 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): fixed: email password recovery fields effected by UI level
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6425 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Session/Output.pm): fixed: international characters corrupted in titles
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6426 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/ (lib/WebGUI/PseudoRequest.pm Session/Output.t Session/Style.t): fixing tests for new output method
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6427 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Help/setHelp.t: setHelp is unused, remove it
18:40 < CIA-6> WebGUI: graham * r6428 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/docs/create.sql: preparing for 7.4.38 release
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19:13 <@perlmonkey2> rizen: how would the search work with new JSON collateral?
19:13 <@rizen> search doesn't search collateral unless you tell it how to do it anyway
19:14 <@rizen> so you'd just tell it how to read your json
19:15 <@perlmonkey2> ah, clever.  It checks each asset for a search role?
19:16 <@rizen> yup
19:16 <@rizen> there's an indexContent method that you override
19:16 <@rizen> and tell it anything custom you want it to search
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19:18 <@perlmonkey2> nice
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19:37 < CIA-6> WebGUI: jt * r6430 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.38-stable: Release 7.4.38-stable
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20:06 <+MrHairgrease> awesome!
20:06 <+MrHairgrease> itranasct now has an xml backend method to update recuuring payments
20:11 <+perlDreamer> MrHairgrease: Does that mean that you have to rewrite the driver?
20:12 <+MrHairgrease> it means that everything is easier to implement
20:13 <+MrHairgrease> the old driver use LWP to log into the merchant website, accepting a session cookie, and post some data to some form
20:13 <+MrHairgrease> now, i can just create some xml and post that to their backend
20:24 <+MrHairgrease> rizen, where are people supposed to end their subscription (or more general: recurring payment)?
20:25 <+MrHairgrease> i'd say in the transaction manager
20:25 <+MrHairgrease> ?
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21:14 <+MrHairgrease> rizen are you online?
21:15 <@preaction_> rizen, remember those Gallery changes (showing pending albums / files to the right people). would it be good to show something saying that they're still pending approval while the person is looking at them? so they don't get the wrong idea?
21: