WebGUI irc logs from: 2007-12.log

--- Log opened Sat Dec 01 00:00:26 2007
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perlmonkey2	funny to think how much duplicated work there is in the world. How many companies spend hundreds of thousands paying developers to front end databases and create reports when they could use WebGUI (or another less worthy CMS).	00:00
@apeiron	You could say that about innovating a pre-WebGUI CMS, though, or a pre-Perl language. :)	00:01
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perlmonkey2	apeiron: But these companies are rolling their own custom implementations.	00:02
perlmonkey2	which they aren't trying to sell, but just use themselves.	00:02
@apeiron	Not always the best idea, I'll agree, but reinventing the wheel allows you to make it rounder. :)	00:03
perlmonkey2	apeiron: I'd say that only happens when a badarse who knows every inch of the wheel sets down to do it. When people who need a wheel because they're interested in doing X reinvent the wheel, it is likely to be sqaure.	00:08
perlmonkey2	PlainBlack basic server has 512MB ram. How many moderating active sites could one WebGUI instances run on 512MB?	00:45
perlmonkey2	s/moderating/moderatively/	00:45
@preaction	10 would probably be the max	00:47
@preaction	and they'd be slow	00:47
@preaction	5-7 would be fine i bet	00:47
@preaction	i forget the stats, but we've got one server running 20+	00:47
perlmonkey2	that is actually better than I thought	00:48
perlmonkey2	so $300/month could handle 5 easily.	00:48
perlmonkey2	I likey	00:48
@preaction	i wouldn't say easily, but then i'm used to working on more complicated systems than WebGUI Core	00:48
@preaction	systems with 20,000 users, incredible database queries that make mysql wet itself, etc...	00:49
@preaction	if we're talking something like THAT, i'd suggest load balancing cluster	00:49
* perlmonkey2 was supposed to get 1 month off to hack on WebGUI but after 3 days off they now want me back at 200%. They want me 100% on two grants at the same time.		00:49
@preaction	plainblack.com runs on one of our mega servers, iirc	00:50
perlmonkey2	preaction: you working with Oracle's CMS?	00:50
@preaction	no, WebGUI	00:50
@preaction	custom dev	00:50
perlmonkey2	hah, right on	00:50
perlmonkey2	sounds like fun	00:51
@preaction	it can be, when it's not being not fun	00:51
@preaction	there are some strange brews out there in the world of wG custom dev	00:52
perlmonkey2	people really fork the core components that much?	00:52
@preaction	no, add-ons	00:55
@preaction	assets, workflow activities, auth plugis	00:55
perlmonkey2	ah, right on	00:56
@preaction	instead of forking core components that don't do what they want, we extend them (or rewrite them)	00:56
perlmonkey2	that woudl be fun	00:57
@preaction	eh, there are some projects i fight to get, and others i "decide" are "better for Joe Developer to handle"	01:01
@preaction	it's a factor of how many fun problems exist to be solved	01:01
perlmonkey2	that's true enough	01:02
@preaction	example: The client wanted a photo gallery asset (more targeted than the Photo Gallery Collaboration prototype), so I get to make a photo gallery asset to add to WebGUI	01:04
perlmonkey2	that's interesting. you rip off a lot of code from Gallery2?	01:07
@preaction	nope	01:07
@preaction	it's actually a fairly simple system, didn't need to rip anything from anywhere	01:08
perlmonkey2	bah, I need to quit my job and do that kind of stuff. sounds a lot more fun.	01:08
@preaction	the additional constraint of 100% test coverage and "An example of WebGUI Best Practices" has made this take longer, but that's good. i'm writing good, clean, maintainable, readable, extensible code instead of slop	01:09
perlmonkey2	hah, slop usually isn't very maintainable :P	01:09
@preaction	this is my job, plainblack pays me. in order to make it here i worked two jobs (one as a plainblack contractor) until a spot opened up for me	01:09
perlmonkey2	and writing it maintable doesn't take much longer once you get used to it.	01:09
perlmonkey2	nice	01:10
@preaction	no, it's forming good habits, but there are some OO tricks and API design flaws that you only find once you actually have to use the API to do something	01:10
@preaction	i consider programming to be an art form, as such i tend to act more like an artist than i do a scientist	01:11
@preaction	and, before plainblack hired me, that means subsidizing myself with menial labor	01:11
perlmonkey2	ack	01:12
perlmonkey2	menial labor	01:12
@preaction	i found that the most monotonous jobs tended to create the best environment for ideas of code i should write	01:14
perlmonkey2	I usually have all my best ideas when I'm not doing work that requires thinking.	01:14
perlmonkey2	so that makes sense.	01:14
perlmonkey2	alright, chow time...I'm out	01:15
@preaction	i've got little notebooks full of game ideas, APIs, pseudo-code for software to help manage things like my TV collection and Warhammer 40k armies	01:15
@preaction	have fun	01:15
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CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5073 /WebGUI/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: avoid running this test unless we have WRE installed	02:33
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5074 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Spectre/Workflow.t: backport fix for not running under the WRE	02:33
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dirtyPair	salutations	05:53
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+perlDreamer	hola	06:32
+perlDreamer	you still there?	06:32
+perlDreamer	dirtyPair: What's up?	06:36
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+perlDreamer	preaction: I know kung-fu!	06:55
@preaction	perlDreamer, show me	06:55
+perlDreamer	check ren 5075	06:56
+perlDreamer	rev 5075	06:56
+perlDreamer	in HEAD	06:56
@preaction	that	06:58
@preaction	is	06:58
@preaction	AWESOME	06:58
+perlDreamer	thanks	06:58
+perlDreamer	That was half of yesterday and all of this evening	06:59
+perlDreamer	It still needs some more work to handle the stuff that is causing i18n/label.t to fail	06:59
+perlDreamer	but it shouldn't be that hard	06:59
+perlDreamer	With this, we can do anything	06:59
@preaction	indeed	06:59
+perlDreamer	We can make sure that all class methods always get a session object	07:00
+perlDreamer	I don't even know what else we need to do, but it's now possible	07:00
@preaction	do you want to add an additional check to make sure that no calls to WebGUI::International::echo make it into a production system?	07:00
+perlDreamer	Sure	07:01
@preaction	are you going to change some of the existing i18n tests to use PPI / Perl::Critic tests?	07:01
+perlDreamer	Yes	07:02
+perlDreamer	label.t will be a P::C test	07:02
@preaction	sweet	07:02
+perlDreamer	probably a few more as well	07:02
+perlDreamer	things we don't necessarily want an end user to run, but that we want as a double check for us	07:02
@preaction	indeed	07:02
+perlDreamer	all of i18n looks good, and Help, too	07:03
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5075 /WebGUI/t/lib/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Perl::Critic module for checking illegal i18n labels	07:03
@preaction	i was thinking before about the tests taking too long to run before a commit, perhaps there should be a way for testCodebase.pl to get targets, like "base" "form" "i18n" "help" "assets" "workflow" etc...?	07:03
+perlDreamer	the CODE_COP switch does a little of that now	07:04
+perlDreamer	but we could break it farther apart	07:04
+perlDreamer	it's actually a pretty big topic in the community right now	07:06
+perlDreamer	You'll probably start noticing a lot of $ENV{AUTHOR} showing up in tests	07:06
@preaction	why?	07:07
+perlDreamer	That's the flag people seem to be setting on	07:07
+perlDreamer	Authors run all tests, like Perl::Critic and such	07:07
+perlDreamer	but end users should never get source code that fails those tests	07:07
+perlDreamer	so they'll run API and functionality tests	07:07
+perlDreamer	http://search.cpan.org/src/THALJEF/Test-Perl-Critic-1.01/README	07:08
@preaction	i suppose, there are more than a few distros on CPAN that need to be force installed for stupid reasons	07:08
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CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5076 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Add tests for the tempspace node.	07:33
+perlDreamer	preaction: I added the 4 assetId's I know of to magic numbers	07:34
+perlDreamer	that's a great page, btw	07:34
@preaction	sweet, thanks	07:34
@preaction	i thought so, i've been racked trying to keep track of them all	07:34
@preaction	some aren't really "magic", they're just there. but all the things that webgui doesn't let you delete...	07:35
+perlDreamer	yeah, some are more "tribal knowledge"	07:35
+perlDreamer	admin = 3	07:35
@preaction	Everyone = group 7, Visitor = 1	07:36
@preaction	etc...	07:36
+perlDreamer	right	07:36
@preaction	i've been wondering if it's possible to use PPI to write things that will generate i18n and Help modules for me	07:36
+perlDreamer	there's already a script for i18n modules	07:37
@preaction	really?	07:37
+perlDreamer	yeah!	07:37
+perlDreamer	You didn't know about it?	07:37
@preaction	nope	07:37
+perlDreamer	that's why I invented echo	07:37
@preaction	i've been using vim macros, re-generating the macro every time i need to make an i18n module :(	07:38
+perlDreamer	weird	07:38
+perlDreamer	I don't see in in the contribs area	07:38
+perlDreamer	I'll add it now	07:39
+perlDreamer	but it should be rewritten to use PPI instead in the long term	07:39
@preaction	sounds great (incidentally a day or two after i needed it ;)	07:39
@preaction	indeed	07:39
@preaction	PPI could be used to do detect processTemplate as well, thusly getting a datastructure and generating Help modules	07:40
@preaction	i think JT was talking about these sort of things before, code generation like RoR seems to have in spades	07:40
@preaction	i wonder what happened with his asset skeleton generator script	07:40
+perlDreamer	RoR does help and i18n generation for you?	07:40
@preaction	no, but it does skeleton generation things i think	07:41
@preaction	i dunno, i just know what JT said about it	07:41
@preaction	perlDreamer, i found it, in misc as "i18n.pl"	07:44
+perlDreamer	yup, that's it	07:45
+perlDreamer	there's one more caveat that should be documented	07:45
+perlDreamer	it overwrites your source code with s/->echo/->get/	07:45
@preaction	that could be a project for that google high school of code thing, code generation tools	07:46
@preaction	or, a way to have inheritable i18n objects, that'd be nice too	07:47
+perlDreamer	inheritable i18n objects?	07:47
+perlDreamer	oh, like inheritable Help objects	07:47
@preaction	so that we can reuse things like "save" and "cancel", but they could also be overridden if the language demands it	07:47
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5077 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Asset/Asset.t: backporting tempspace constructor check from head	07:48
+perlDreamer	I thought it worked that way now	07:48
+perlDreamer	if it can't find save in the current language pack, it looks back in English	07:48
@preaction	i18n/Base.pm would have "save" and "cancel", i18n/Asset_Gallery.pm would inherit from there and, if Swedish needed it, they could override i Asset_Gallery.pm	07:49
@preaction	it has a sort of inheritence by language, but it'd be nice to have a set of Common words / phrases that we could inherit from	07:49
+perlDreamer	Base.pm == WebGUI.pm	07:49
@preaction	right, but WebGUI.pm contains a bunch of stuff that may or may not be needed in Base.pm	07:50
@preaction	but i suppose it wouldn't hurt, it could help with memory usage too (at a minor expense of hash lookups)	07:50
+perlDreamer	Maybe WebGUI.pm just needs to be pared down farther so that it makes a more suitable Base.pm	07:51
+perlDreamer	In the beginning, there were no namespaces	07:51
+perlDreamer	Everything was flat.	07:51
@preaction	exactly	07:51
@preaction	i imagine that could be done as well	07:51
+perlDreamer	that wasn't any fun	07:52
@preaction	the inheritence wouldn't be too hard, i believe Help does it alredy, no?	07:52
+perlDreamer	Yes.	07:52
@preaction	you added that iirc	07:52
+perlDreamer	Yes	07:52
+perlDreamer	In fact, it would be simpler since there are no loops	07:52
@preaction	indeed	07:52
+perlDreamer	I had to write a recursive function for that	07:52
@preaction	it'd just need an "inherits" class-scoped variable	07:53
@preaction	or isa or whatevz	07:53
@preaction	isa could work	07:53
@preaction	might be a perversion of @ISA though	07:53
+perlDreamer	it would also simplify the International interface	07:53
+perlDreamer	since get calls would never need to access a foreign namespace	07:54
@preaction	like the fact there are two i18n objects instanciated in some of the WebGUI auth methods	07:55
@preaction	probably more than just there, even	07:55
@preaction	i hesitate to screw around too much with i18n though, since it would mean a whole bunch of translations would need updating	07:56
@preaction	i mean, not all the "save" buttons use the same "save" i18n label	07:56
@preaction	so we might not be able to carve a swath of destruction at this point in time, unfortunately	07:56
+perlDreamer	once you knew the final form of the new i18n, you could script the changes to all translations	07:57
+perlDreamer	since the keys are always in English :)	07:57
@preaction	of course	07:57
+perlDreamer	what has you up late hacking tonight?	07:58
@preaction	perhaps then we should add a $I18N_VERSION class-scoped variable so we know which translations have been migrated to the new interface?	07:58
@preaction	i've been thinking a lot about using $VERSION and other flags to have API versioning	07:58
@preaction	a sort of progressive enhancement for the WebGUI API	07:59
@preaction	oh, it's only midnight, trying to get more stuff done on the Gallery. i'm up to 4 pages done out of 12	07:59
@preaction	rest should be done by end of next week, and then week after that i have to try to clean up what i can before release	07:59
@preaction	Interesting thing about WebGUI #708: When passing in the "action" URL to WebGUI::Form::formHeader, it will DWYM if the URL contains a query string (?func=something will change into <input type="hidden" name="func" value="something" />)	08:06
+perlDreamer	I bet that's legacy compatibility code	08:08
@preaction	probably, but it's also a nice feature since a lot of forms are submitted to func=something pages	08:09
@preaction	i've been making the hidden elements myself, but apparently i don't have to	08:09
+perlDreamer	it _does_ save a call to hidden	08:10
+perlDreamer	I've been doing the same.	08:10
@preaction	not really, it calls hidden itself. it's just cleaner code	08:10
+perlDreamer	do you mean cleaner to have the explicit call, or the cleaner via the url?	08:10
@preaction	via the url	08:11
@preaction	easier to read, imho	08:11
@preaction	shorter to write as well	08:11
@preaction	part of those "good habits"	08:11
+perlDreamer	Definitely, but it reminds me of "mystery meat". It has weird side effects.	08:11
@preaction	how so? it DWYM	08:12
@preaction	i mean, some servers/browsers understand query strings in the action="" attribute, but most don't that i know of	08:12
+perlDreamer	It's undocumented. That's the mystery. But that's also easily fixable :)	08:12
@preaction	i've fixed it already	08:12
+perlDreamer	committed?	08:13
@preaction	i also fixed that sub and commented the code while i was at it	08:13
@preaction	it's in my branch, so it'll be committed when i merge	08:13
* perlDreamer mutters "patience, patience" to himself		08:13
@preaction	indeed	08:13
+perlDreamer	was something else broken about it?	08:14
@preaction	nope	08:14
+perlDreamer	I need a patron to support me so I can write test code and fix wG bugs 40/hours week.	08:14
@preaction	oh, i added some parameter checking and a call to croak, because i'm starting to get very annoyed at seeing errors in code i have never touched	08:14
+perlDreamer	that's good	08:14
+perlDreamer	WGBP (and Perl::Critic) will mandate croaking	08:15
+perlDreamer	well, I think there's a no-die policy in Perl::Critic	08:16
@preaction	would it be simpler to simply write: my $value = $options->{ value } \|\|= "default"; than to write a bunch of ternary conditionals on the existence of that options hashref?	08:18
+perlDreamer	I like the exists check better, because it won't autovivify that key in the hash	08:19
@preaction	my $action = $params && $params->{ action } ? $params->{ action } : $session->url->page(); <- seems verbose to me	08:19
+perlDreamer	_and_ it doesn't alter the hashref that got passed to you	08:19
@preaction	ah, that would be bad	08:19
+perlDreamer	yeah, like MrHairGrease found out in Post.pm	08:20
@preaction	i defaulted $params to an empty hashref now, so i don't have to check that $params exists, just if the key exists	08:20
@preaction	so exists instead of $param->{ value } \|\| "default"? <- that'll autovivify too?	08:21
@preaction	i think we fixed the Post.pm at the source: $asset->get returns a copy no matter what now	08:21
+perlDreamer	right	08:22
+perlDreamer	my understanding is that calling a hash with any key will autovivify it	08:22
@preaction	humph, better safe then	08:22
+perlDreamer	well, might be worth double checking	08:22
+perlDreamer	I'm not on p5p anymore	08:22
+perlDreamer	it may have changed	08:22
@preaction	personal question: how does one wade through the insanity that is perlmonks?	08:24
@preaction	i tried the RSS feed, but there's no way to handle that influx of data	08:24
+perlDreamer	I have no idea. I've never done it :/	08:24
+perlDreamer	I think the ->echo check wants to be a separate policy	08:25
+perlDreamer	but it needs to subclass the NoIllegalI18NLabels to get the convenience methods	08:28
+perlDreamer	either that, or I need my own Utility module	08:28
@preaction	i think you're right about the legacy code thing, there's something screwy going on here	08:28
@preaction	perlbot paste	08:28
perlbot	Paste your code to http://sial.org/pbot/perl http://erxz.com/pb or http://p3m.org/pfn/perl and #Perl will be able to view it.	08:28
@preaction	http://sial.org/pbot/28954 <- what is line 147 doing?	08:29
@preaction	more appropriate: why?	08:29
+perlDreamer	You may want to run Perl::Critic on pre-release code, and not have it gripe about echo calls	08:29
+perlDreamer	So a separate module allows overriding via the dev's local policy file	08:30
@preaction	oh, no, i agree with you on the PC echo tests being lower priority than the other one	08:30
@preaction	i mean my paste, there's something screwy going on	08:30
+perlDreamer	line 147 find the first string 'amp;' and strips it out	08:31
+perlDreamer	it should strip out &	08:31
+perlDreamer	that would be better, otherwise there's a partial encoding left over	08:32
+perlDreamer	I'd recommend writing tests against the original code to make sure your refactoring doesn't add/subtract side effects	08:32
@preaction	it also will never contain a ;, since you already split on them	08:33
@preaction	can't write a test until i know what it's doing, and it looks like it's doing nothing at all	08:33
@preaction	besides that it's broken and doesn't understand that & can also be used to separate parameters, and that HTML Entities are not used in URLs (they're URL encoded)	08:34
@preaction	so imma fix it, and write tests against it fixed	08:34
+perlDreamer	Imma gonna crash out	08:34
+perlDreamer	This weekend I'll continue hacking on the new policy	08:35
+perlDreamer	'night	08:35
@preaction	night	08:35
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CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5078 /WebGUI/t/Storage/Image.t:	06:18
CIA-18	WebGUI: Rewrite the adjustMaxFilesize test to be data driven.	06:18
CIA-18	WebGUI: Check the original sizes, and resized sizes exactly.	06:18
CIA-18	WebGUI: Hoping that this fixes last night's Image.t test failure.	06:18
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leopardus	what is the function of ImportNode?	15:17
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CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5079 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm: ran perlcritic -stern on Session.pm. Fixed a few things that it recommends. Session.pm was clean for -gentle	04:18
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CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5080 /WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm:	08:03
CIA-18	WebGUI: Remove debugging code.	08:03
CIA-18	WebGUI: Add in code to actually check the label in the requested namespace.	08:03
CIA-18	WebGUI: Now the problem becomes how to get all the right paths to	08:03
CIA-18	WebGUI: the right modules.	08:03
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leopardus	http://www.webgui.org is not coming up!!	08:58
leopardus	ok, now ;)	08:59
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@preaction	good morning happy people!	21:02
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dirtyPair	anyone around?	21:38
@preaction	yesm	21:42
dirtyPair	pm please	21:45
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@preaction	for what purpose? there's nothing that i can help you with that you can't ask the channel	21:56
@preaction	anything that would require PM is probably something for a professional	21:57
dirtyPair	my understanding is that this is the chan of professionals behind webgui?	21:58
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@preaction	this is a channel for developers and users to get help from the community	21:58
@preaction	paid support (from plainblack, for example) has its own forum (and in the case of plainblack, phone system)	21:59
dirtyPair	is that a plainblack chan?	22:00
dirtyPair	is there	22:00
nuba	this is a place where people involved with/interested in webgui hangout	22:00
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@preaction	if you want plainblack support, you need to go to plainblack's support forum, and that costs money	22:00
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dirtyPair	i am interested in hiring a team of webgui professionals, please direct me to the right place	22:00
@preaction	http://plainblack.com/contact_us	22:00
dirtyPair	thank you	22:00
nuba	people here do some handholding sometimes out of their own kindness and willingness to share the word about webgui ;)	22:01
dirtyPair	my project is too large for someone to do it our of kindness	22:01
dirtyPair	and i can't type	22:01
nuba	heh i see	22:02
dirtyPair	plainblack is in va?	22:02
@preaction	wisconsin	22:02
dirtyPair	telephone has va area code?	22:02
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@preaction	Skype / voicemail provider / other service maybe	22:03
dirtyPair	how is webgui different from joomla?	22:06
dirtyPair	is everyone busy or does my breath stink?	22:14
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SDuensin	Hey dirtyPair	22:21
dirtyPair	hi	22:22
@khenn	I've never used Joomla =(	22:22
SDuensin	khenn - Good for you. :-)	22:24
SDuensin	The admin interface on Joomla drives me batty.	22:24
@khenn	http://www.cmsmatrix.org you can compare the two	22:24
SDuensin	Ah! Forgot about CMS Matrix!	22:24
dirtyPair	oh wow, that's helpful	22:25
@khenn	glad I could be of service =)	22:25
dirtyPair	hmm	22:27
dirtyPair	webgui fails in commerce which is what i need it for	22:27
@khenn	we are going to be doing a major overhaul to commerce this year:	22:30
@khenn	http://www.webgui.org/webgui/roadmap	22:30
dirtyPair	2008 i assume?	22:31
@khenn	commerce is still fairly flexible. There are just a few things it won't do + the interface is lacking some of the glam it needs	22:31
@khenn	yes 2008	22:31
knowmad	dirtyPair: we use "another" system for ecommerce sites	22:40
knowmad	hoping that will change in 2008	22:40
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dirtyPair	what is it usually used for?	22:43
dirtyPair	and there is a LOT of cms software out there	22:43
knowmad	we use it for nearly any other website we create from static to CMS to custom development	22:43
knowmad	yes, the benefits of Open Source!	22:44
dirtyPair	hmm, i feel like it's overkill @_@	22:44
knowmad	here's why we chose WebGUI -- Open Source product, backed by a Company, active community with conferences, written in a language we are familiar with, extensible	22:45
dirtyPair	that's interesting, is there a cms built just for commerce?	22:45
dirtyPair	isn't joomla very similar? and it seems more popular	22:45
dirtyPair	popular meaning better support?	22:45
knowmad	we've used it for just over a year now and are very happy with our decision as are our clients; i think the upcoming features in 7.5 (see the Roadmap) will make it an even better choice	22:45
knowmad	huh? i've never seen popular = better support	22:46
knowmad	i've seen popular = bad extensions due to script kiddies making plugins	22:46
@preaction	joomla is also built on PHP, which is a poorly designed / implemented language	22:46
knowmad	but i can't speak to joomla as i've never really used it; we steered away from it b/c it was written in PHP (a subset of Perl), didn't have a company behind it as i recall and wasn't as featureful as WebGUI	22:47
@preaction	i say this as a Perl God, so ymmv	22:47
@preaction	perlbot php	22:47
perlbot	http://tnx.nl/php http://czth.net/pH/PHPSucks	22:47
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@preaction	WebGUI has more enterprise features than any other F/OSS CMS i've seen so far (drupal, joomla, mambo)	22:48
knowmad	well now there's good PHP and bad PHP	22:48
knowmad	in general though, I find more bad PHP than good PHP; it has a place but it's not my language of choice (btw, i'm not a Plain Black employee)	22:49
perlmonkey2	Yeah, WebGUI just plain rawks.	22:49
dirtyPair	webgui was recommended to me by a good fellow so i have no doubt of its power	22:49
knowmad	sounds like your choice comes down to whether you want quick and dirty or a long-term platform you can grow into	22:49
perlmonkey2	knowmad: I'd think WebGUI for both reasons.	22:51
dirtyPair	i didn't notice joomla did not have a company supporting it amist its awards and invitations from google	22:52
perlmonkey2	I have a client who just received a receipt of payment for a hosted webgui account, but there is no address or way to get to the site in the email.	22:53
dirtyPair	i am rather impatient with my project even though i have no right to be	22:53
dirtyPair	but i would prefer a long term platform	22:53
perlmonkey2	IP Address: � � � � Logged for security purposes.	22:53
perlmonkey2	Oh, that is the payment ip address.	22:54
perlmonkey2	Once a hosted account is created, how long does it normally take before the site is set up and an ip address is emailed to them?	22:56
@preaction	no more than 24 hours that i can think of, it's not my department	22:56
@preaction	perlmonkey2, did you get the new permissions for the plainblack support boards? http://plainblack.com/support	22:59
perlmonkey2	preaction: all the client received was an email saying that their payment transaction went through.	23:00
@preaction	when was that?	23:00
perlmonkey2	an hour or so ago	23:01
@preaction	yeah, Jamie will follow up on that within 24hrs.	23:03
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perlmonkey2	I'm pumped.....I got $work to back off and I'm getting 3 weeks this month to try to finish Rizen's survey module (if he hasn't farmed it out to someone else).	23:05
@khenn	I don't think he has	23:08
perlmonkey2	khenn: groovy	23:10
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wgGuest45	hello everybody	00:07
wgGuest45	this is question related to modproxy (apache)	00:07
wgGuest45	its in <newsite>.conf file	00:08
wgGuest45	the line: # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST	00:08
wgGuest45	oops read this: # deal with port number in HTTP_HOST	00:08
wgGuest45	what will this two line do?	00:09
wgGuest45	(you know this if you have WRE in your system)	00:09
@preaction	what's the other line? i only got a comment. use the pastebin in the /topic	00:11
wgGuest45	# deal with port number in HTTP_HOST	00:12
wgGuest45	RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} :80	00:12
wgGuest45	RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://%{SERVER_NAME}/$1 [P]	00:12
@preaction	again, you shouldn't paste code into the channel, use the pastebin in the topic	00:12
wgGuest45	oops..	00:13
wgGuest45	sorry	00:13
@preaction	those are the lines that proxy all requests over to the modperl instance	00:13
@preaction	well, all requests that haven't been handled yet	00:14
wgGuest45	what if i want to change that port 80 to some other port?	00:14
@preaction	also it looks broken, what version of the WRE are you working with?	00:14
@preaction	the port number should be in the RewriteRule, not the RewriteCond	00:14
wgGuest45	wre-0.8.0-unbuntu-7.0.4-feisty	00:15
@preaction	so what do you want to do exactly?	00:16
wgGuest45	i am using wre .. i just want my site host in some other port than 80(default)	00:17
@preaction	to get around ISP or to host another server on port 80?	00:18
wgGuest45	ya second option	00:20
@preaction	if you're just hosting another server on port 80, another apache server, why not use that one to proxy webgui? or why not use the modproxy of webgui to host other sites? either option would be better than a THIRD apache instance	00:21
wgGuest45	umm.. yaa..	00:22
wgGuest45	what should i do if i want to choose first option	00:23
@preaction	use another server to proxy webgui? basically copy and paste the <VirtualHost> ... </VirtualHost> block somewhere where the other server can read it	00:23
wgGuest45	just creating virtualhost will be enough?	00:23
@preaction	creating it with the same directives should be enough	00:24
@preaction	any problems that occur would be outside of the WRE, thus would have to be handled elsewhere (#apache on this network is a very good place to get help with apache)	00:24
wgGuest45	hmm.. (i should have done this before.. damn)	00:25
@preaction	otherwise, if you change that :80, yes, that will work	00:25
@preaction	but you also have to change the <VirtualHost *:80> and anywhere else that :80 pops up	00:25
@preaction	but again, now you're running three apache instances	00:25
@preaction	keeping the modperl one seperate is a Good Idea, but having two proxies in front of it? not so much	00:26
wgGuest45	what about modperl?	00:26
@preaction	what about it?	00:26
wgGuest45	oh (you just mention it)	00:26
@preaction	keeping modperl seperate is good because it loads WebGUI itself, it uses more memory/CPU and you can monitor that memory / CPU seperately, without affecting your other sites	00:28
wgGuest45	that mean i can use WRE modperl with other Apache of system?	00:28
@preaction	that's what i'm suggesting, yes	00:29
wgGuest45	ya.. thats sounds good!.. cause i have other site running on same machine.. i have to keep running all those with new WebGUI too	00:29
wgGuest45	i mean new webgui site.	00:30
@preaction	theoretically you could make your own proxy Vhosts, but WRE's modproxy includes directives to speed things up (like serving static content via the proxy and not via webgui)	00:30
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wgGuest45	i know this is problem specific to apache	01:28
wgGuest45	but when i put <virtualhost>..... to apache config	01:29
wgGuest45	its showing error.	01:29
wgGuest45	'rewrite...'	01:29
wgGuest45	its showing error on all 'rewrite .. '	01:29
wgGuest45	my apache version is Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu)	01:29
wgGuest45	it shows error on "RewriteEngine On"	01:30
@preaction_	you're on freenode, go to #apache	01:33
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wgGuest29	hey guys	01:59
wgGuest29	anyone got some time to help out a n00blet	01:59
wgGuest29	I recently downloaded and installed the 0.8.0 on a mac box at work - we are trying to set up webgui for a test run	02:02
wgGuest29	however - in my limited server admin experience I seem to have developed a problem	02:02
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SDuensin	Greetings.	15:50
ckotil	Good Morning.	15:51
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perlmonkey2	When creating a new Wobject to be submitted into the core objects, how are namespaces decided? In particular, if I rewrite the survey module to JT's spec, will it use something like "AjaxSurvey" or just reuse "Survey"?	18:18
perlmonkey2	And reusing "Survey" will make dev a pain in the arse	18:18
perlmonkey2	no one can help with the Wobject namespace issue?	19:13
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perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: It depends on how the upgrade from old Survey to new Survey works.	20:48
perlDreamer	Try to catch preaction, since he went through this with the EventsCalendar->Calendar upgrade	20:48
perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: Cool, thanks for the heads up.	20:49
ckotil	wG just brought a tear to my eye.	21:00
ckotil	I needed to edit by branch, and set a new meta data field.	21:00
ckotil	at first this didnt appear to be possible, then i added another meta data field. which is able to be edited by branch	21:01
ckotil	im gonna try to create customized views based on this meta data.	21:02
ckotil	now i gotta figure out how to get this metadata via a template variable	21:22
ckotil	this proved trivial for an article asset. i cant figure it out for a page layout and nav asset. Ive added a simple page variable to the nav asset in the past, but i suspect this is more difficult.	22:14
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perlDreamer	ckotil: it should be the same for any asset	22:59
ckotil	ok, ill try to add the variable to the nav asset the same way I added a page variable in the past	23:00
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perlDreamer	rizen!	23:10
@rizen	pd!	23:10
perlDreamer	What's happening the world of TMRFE?	23:10
@rizen	just got back from the hospital	23:11
@rizen	sarah had a minor procedure	23:11
@rizen	but all is well	23:11
perlDreamer	good	23:11
@rizen	working on 2008 budgets	23:11
@rizen	today	23:11
perlDreamer	Kathy just got back from New Mexico for the weekend	23:12
@rizen	cuz doing accounting stuff tomorrow	23:12
@rizen	nice	23:12
perlDreamer	I almost killed the kids, but all is well here, too	23:12
@rizen	sarah just got back from minnesota	23:12
@rizen	kathy wouldn't ever hurt anybody	23:12
@rizen	except maybe you	23:12
perlDreamer	Oh yeah, I'm dead meat	23:12
perlDreamer	She had the procedure done in Minnesota?	23:14
@rizen	no she went to see a friend this weekend	23:15
@rizen	and had the proceedure today	23:15
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@rizen	having furnace problems	23:23
@rizen	trying to find a part	23:24
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5081 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing handling of http:// calls in the Extras URL	23:33
perlDreamer	I keep telling you just pump the waste heat from your servers in the garage upstairs to heat your house.	23:34
perlDreamer	You're wasting a ton of money in the winter	23:34
@rizen	hehe	23:35
@rizen	i know	23:35
@rizen	i should stop pumping it into the ground	23:35
@rizen	i'm causing global warming	23:35
ckotil	from the inside	23:35
ckotil	by that logic, anyone using geothermal energy to heat their homes is an ecoterrorist	23:36
perlDreamer	Curse you WRE!	23:39
perlDreamer	$bug->swat($session);	23:46
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perlDreamer	The Catalyst guys have their own advent calendar	00:57
perlDreamer	We should take Tavis's presentation and make our own. Kind of a "gift back to the community" and advertising the next WUC	00:58
@rizen	oh yeah	00:58
@rizen	advent. that's a catholic thing right?	00:58
@rizen	between ash wednesday and easter	00:59
@rizen	or good friday	00:59
perlDreamer	it's pretty generic Christian	00:59
@rizen	oh	00:59
perlDreamer	We celebrate it as Presbyterians	00:59
perlDreamer	but I don't know about the other denominations	00:59
@rizen	what's the URL to catalysts calendar?	01:00
perlDreamer	http://catalyst.perl.org/calendar/2007/2	01:00
perlDreamer	It's just a staged calendar	01:00
perlDreamer	Not cool like the Perl one	01:00
perlDreamer	http://www.perladvent.org/2006/	01:00
@rizen	why are they doing it in december	01:02
@rizen	i mean catalyst?	01:02
@rizen	advent should be march, shouldn't it?	01:02
@rizen	or ist that lent	01:02
@rizen	oh crap	01:03
@rizen	i'm an idiot	01:03
@rizen	advent is the days leading up to christmas	01:03
@rizen	it's that calendar of candy that you get when you're a kid	01:03
perlDreamer	Yup	01:04
perlDreamer	I think you could do it with an SQL Report	01:04
perlDreamer	Each row would be coordinates for the box and a link to a pop-up or secondary page.	01:05
@rizen	there are a couple of problems with it an none of them technical	01:05
@rizen	problem 1 is that we're already 4 days into the month	01:05
@rizen	problem 2 is that someone would have to write up all that crap	01:05
perlDreamer	Problem 3 is that you're out of "someones" to do crap writing	01:06
@rizen	problem 3 was implied with problem 2	01:06
perlDreamer	True. I was thinking cost vs availability	01:06
@rizen	i'm already a month behind in my dev plan	01:06
@rizen	for 7.5	01:07
perlDreamer	Is it okay to start making Perl::Critic cleanups in the 7.5 branch?	01:25
@rizen	absolutely	01:26
@rizen	start with level 1s	01:26
@rizen	which there should be very few	01:26
@rizen	cuz i did it around the time of 7.0	01:26
@rizen	and then we can keep ratcheting up the number	01:26
perlDreamer	From what I've seen so far, they don't like things like 'return undef', the mix-ins for Asset, and our open and close methods	01:26
perlDreamer	but we can wave those if we wish	01:26
perlDreamer	(the open and close methods, I mean)	01:27
perlDreamer	maybe I'll run a full report and post it for reference	01:27
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perlDreamer	well, so much for the first 219 warnings	01:58
@rizen	wow	01:59
perlDreamer	If the test suite runs clean, then I'll commit that batch	01:59
perlDreamer	It wasn't too hard....	01:59
@rizen	you absolutely roooool	01:59
perlDreamer	ack 'return undef' -l \| xargs vim	01:59
perlDreamer	I looove ack	02:00
@rizen	what does that do exactly?	02:00
perlDreamer	it builds a list of files that contain the string 'return undef', then passes that to vim	02:00
perlDreamer	vim opens them all	02:00
perlDreamer	and you bounce between files using :ne[xt] and :pr[ev]	02:00
@preaction	that... is... awesome...	02:00
@rizen	that's pretty cool	02:01
@rizen	but then what do you do	02:01
@rizen	you can't just remove return undef	02:01
@rizen	some things depend on that	02:01
perlDreamer	a bare return returns undef by default in scalar context	02:01
@rizen	ah	02:01
perlDreamer	and in list context, it returns an empty list, which is false	02:02
@rizen	nice	02:02
@rizen	that's sweet ass sweet	02:02
@rizen	you've taught me two things in 30 seconds	02:02
perlDreamer	We should have Damian Conway out to teach his vim class for the next WUC	02:03
perlDreamer	It would rock	02:03
@preaction	yes, yes it would	02:03
perlDreamer	But I'm guessing he's pretty expensive, coming from Australia and all.	02:04
@preaction	he's an aussie? did not know that	02:04
@preaction	maybe we can get Jesse to ferry him over	02:05
perlDreamer	He did an ad for the first Australian F/OSS conference	02:05
@rizen	i think his consulting rate is $500 per hour	02:05
perlDreamer	Basically it said you should come over because they have great beer and lots of poisonous animals	02:05
perlDreamer	wow	02:06
@rizen	some people at my local perl mongers group wanted me to get him to come talk at madmongers	02:07
@preaction	there's only one choice: one of us will have to become as leet as him	02:11
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perlDreamer	I nominate Jesse	02:17
perlDreamer	He's got great credentials	02:17
perlDreamer	being from the same continent	02:17
@preaction	oi!	02:18
perlDreamer	Is that a second?	02:19
@preaction	first i have to learn how to say it in Aussie	02:20
perlDreamer	Radix-wrk: since we're nominating you, you have the right to object, of course	02:21
@preaction	oath!	02:21
@rizen	it's got to be about 11:30 in the morning there	02:22
@rizen	so he's probably at work	02:22
@rizen	and can't talk	02:22
@preaction	lame	02:22
perlDreamer	preaction: I just started the Perl::Critic runs on the core for 7.5	02:38
perlDreamer	Merge soon :)	02:39
@preaction	this week and next are what i have, but it might push into the week after now: emergency situation in client site	02:39
perlDreamer	gotcha	02:39
perlDreamer	I'll try to avoid reindentation as much as possible	02:39
perlDreamer	just don't do "return undef" and you should be fine	02:40
@preaction	iirc diff/patch has an "ignore whitespace changes" option, and svn merge should have a way to pass flags to diff	02:40
perlDreamer	CIA-18 is going to puke on that commit	02:46
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5084 /WebGUI/lib/ (92 files in 20 dirs): first round of Perl::Critic cleanups. Do not use return undef, use a bare return instead	02:48
CIA-18	WebGUI: colin * r5085 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm: Perl::Critic: no code before strictures are applied	02:48
perlDreamer	'night, guys	02:49
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+Radix-wrk	What have I been nominated for?	03:06
@rizen	to become a more leet haxzor than Damian Conway	03:06
+Radix-wrk	lol	03:06
+Radix-wrk	I wish :)	03:07
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nuba	heh when i was a teenager i used to phantasize about finding some crazy sponsor that would cover my basic living expenses so that I could master some area of the human knowledge and do great stuff	03:32
nuba	become a guru	03:32
nuba	then of course reality kicked in in no time :)	03:33
@preaction	reality ruins all our fun...	03:34
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nuba	yep	03:39
nuba	i guess i'll just work my ass off, save money, retire later, then sponsor myself	03:40
nuba	oops, i mean retire early, then later sponsor myself	03:41
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CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5086 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (62 files):	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: Perl::Critic has a policy check for putting any code	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: before you apply strictures (use strict, use warnings, etc.)	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: Add calls to use strict to each Help module. This is probably	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: an overstrict interpretation of the rule.	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5087 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/ (61 files): correct punctuation	06:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5088 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/ (139 files): adding use strict to all these, too	06:33
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CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5089 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CleanTempStorage.pm: Using a lexical loop variable inside recurseFileSystem.	06:48
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xdanger	does the navigation asset ignore the startpoint completely? changing it has no effect on what comes out...	15:31
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ckotil	make sure each asset is not hidden from navigatiton	16:28
ckotil	or enable show hidden assets.	16:29
ckotil	otherwise it will be problematic and appear to not work.	16:29
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wgGuest64	anyone got a moment to help me troubleshoot an issue	17:29
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perlDreamer	Perl::Critic just found a bug in A::W::HttpProxy::Parse	19:02
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5090 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (8 files in 5 dirs): all loop iterators have to be declared lexical. PBP/108	19:03
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5091 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (9 files in 5 dirs): no code allowed before use strict. PBP/429. This check found a bug in Asset::Wobject::HttpProxy::Parse.pm	19:03
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perlDreamer	fyi, for anyone who was around yesterday for the P::C discussion	19:24
perlDreamer	perlcritic -gentle (level 5) took 5 hours to run on my PIII dev box	19:25
perlDreamer	There are 32 non PBP errors, all of the same type. That is declaring a variable as part of a conditional. my $foo = 'bar' if $baz;	19:28
perlDreamer	Of the PBP errors, there are several small ones that I've been fixing this morning.	19:28
perlDreamer	But the biggie is Expression form of "eval" at line 124, column 5. See page 161 of PBP.	19:28
perlDreamer	We depend on that for plugins and other functionality	19:28
wgGuest64	If I make a template and put in the functions for logging into admin... and do the admintoggle is there something I need to put in to get the admin bar to come up on the left hand side of the page?	19:32
perlDreamer	Is it coming up somewhere else, or not at all?	19:33
wgGuest64	not at all	19:33
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5092 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm: Subroutine prototypes are verboten! PBP/194	19:33
perlDreamer	Does the admintoggle show up?	19:34
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perlDreamer	Any errors/warnings in your webgui.log?	19:34
wgGuest64	not sure... I'm still trying to figure out where to look next	19:34
perlDreamer	For this problem, two places	19:34
perlDreamer	1) Your webgui.log file	19:34
perlDreamer	2) Check the source for the page, and look for the admin bar in there.	19:35
perlDreamer	it could be that other markup is interfering with it	19:35
perlDreamer	Oh, you should know that while the user level part of wG works with all browsers, the Admin functions do not.	19:35
perlDreamer	Also, if you're a PlainBlack customer, you can ask this question on their support boards and they'll help you fix it.	19:36
wgGuest64	do you know the markup for the admin bar? I have been trying to use the information I found on both a webgui FAQ and on the how to give your site your own look	19:36
perlDreamer	You can get the markup from the demo site	19:36
perlDreamer	http://demo.plainblack.com	19:36
perlDreamer	just create a demo site, then log in, turn on admin and there you go!	19:37
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wgGuest64	its saying cant call "Process" on an undefined value adminbar.pm line 157	19:43
perlDreamer	In your template, what does the macro call to adminbar look like?	19:48
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wgGuest64	I found it... apparently when I was using the code from another site it said use ^adminbar(2); I removed the (2) and it works	19:54
wgGuest64	thanks for pointing me in the right direction	19:57
perlDreamer	2, by the way, is supposed to be a template id.	20:01
wgGuest64	so if I were to create a new adminbar template	20:03
wgGuest64	I would use that then	20:03
perlDreamer	right. it should be a weird looking, 22 character string	20:04
wgGuest64	any idea why it wouldnt show the login boxes? (other than the fact I probably don't have them coded right?)	20:04
perlDreamer	again, you'd need to look at the HTML code that's being generated. From your browser, try View Source	20:24
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dirtyPair	anyone around for a silly question	21:55
@preaction_	perlbot ask	21:56
perlbot	Don't ask to ask, just ask.	21:56
dirtyPair	there are a lot of auction software out there such as www.auctionanything.com that one can buy but how does one integrate that into a site?	21:57
@preaction_	you'd have to set up WebGUI to ignore that directory, put the system in your DocumentRoot, and set up apache to use a different handler for that directory and/or location	22:06
dirtyPair	i am beginning to think i don't even need webgui	22:10
@preaction_	crazy talk!	22:10
dirtyPair	i just need an auction site	22:10
dirtyPair	i can just pay someone to install and run the auction software	22:11
dirtyPair	bypass webgui	22:11
dirtyPair	and blackwhatever stopped responding to me	22:12
@rizen	do you mean plainblack?	22:12
dirtyPair	yea	22:12
@rizen	when was their last response?	22:13
dirtyPair	two days ago	22:13
dirtyPair	they are not responding	22:13
dirtyPair	they think my project is crazy	22:14
dirtyPair	and i am not serious	22:14
@rizen	2 days isn't that long	22:14
@rizen	especially if they are trying to estimate a project	22:14
dirtyPair	i think they are laughing at my project	22:14
dirtyPair	i don't blame them entirely	22:14
dirtyPair	it is crazy	22:14
dirtyPair	enough to make anyone think it's a joke	22:14
dirtyPair	doesn't matter. i already contacted another	22:15
@rizen	it's going to be expensive, whatever they come back with	22:15
dirtyPair	open source software as a business will take time to develop	22:15
@rizen	because you're talking about writing it from scratch	22:15
dirtyPair	yea	22:15
@rizen	at least from a webgui perspective	22:16
@rizen	it has commerce features	22:16
@rizen	but nothing even close to an auction	22:16
dirtyPair	so i figure maybe i should buy software from someone else	22:16
dirtyPair	skip webgui	22:16
@rizen	why do you say that about open source business	22:16
dirtyPair	because you are codewarriors not accountants	22:17
@rizen	what does that have to do with anything?	22:17
@rizen	and why can't we be both	22:17
dirtyPair	now you are offended	22:17
@rizen	no	22:17
@rizen	just wondering	22:17
dirtyPair	i never said you can't be both, just that you are not both	22:17
dirtyPair	or are you a cpa as well?	22:18
@rizen	plain black uses an accounting firm	22:18
@rizen	so we don't need to be accountants	22:18
wgGuest64	cant blame them there...	22:18
dirtyPair	heh	22:18
dirtyPair	nevermind	22:18
@rizen	but we know a good deal about business	22:18
dirtyPair	then why does 95% of the world still use microsoft?	22:19
wgGuest64	becaue thats what they learned first	22:19
@preaction_	trollbait?	22:19
dirtyPair	you have a better product	22:19
wgGuest64	some people dont want to bother LEARNING	22:19
@preaction_	trollbait	22:19
wgGuest64	on another note... when I add in the form fields for putting in your login information it throws off the alignment of my CSS	22:20
@preaction_	are you using the loginbox macro or your own form field?	22:21
wgGuest64	my own form field - which is probably the problem	22:21
@preaction_	no, but in order to diagnose CSS properly, you should go to the #css channel	22:22
@preaction_	a note: the IRC network you're on is irc.freenode.net, if you want to use a proper IRC client	22:22
wgGuest64	would it be easier to use a loginbox macro?	22:23
@preaction_	easier, probably, but you'll probably still have a problem with your CSS	22:23
wgGuest64	does plainblack do converting of templates into packages?	22:23
wgGuest64	I originally found an opensource site that I am trying to implement - but the conversion is a tad on the tricky side	22:24
wgGuest64	http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=947	22:25
wgGuest64	just in case anyones wondering	22:25
@preaction_	https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/development/design/process/quote <- perhaps this is what you're looking for?	22:26
@rizen	it will cost you between $300 and $500 (we aren't cheap for that sort of thing)	22:27
wgGuest64	well I understand that	22:28
wgGuest64	and I wouldnt have any problems paying if thats what it comes down to	22:28
wgGuest64	btw how do i change my name in this channel	22:28
@preaction_	use /nick	22:28
@rizen	do /nick name	22:29
@preaction_	it's a standard IRC client, if you've used one of thems before	22:29
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teflond0n	thanks.	22:32
teflond0n	btw - I appreciate the help. I understand you guys are an open source business.... figured it would be nice since I haven't slung money your way to atleast show some gratitude	22:33
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metanil	can i use standard IRC client instead of this java based web embedded client	22:35
@preaction_	metanil, yes, it's just freenode. the java client is just for convenience and for those who don't use IRC much	22:39
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metanil	one quick question..	22:43
teflond0n	which piece of educational material from plainblack would help me work on conversion of the site?	22:44
metanil	i see several users created in mysql with weird name.. what was it for???	22:44
@preaction_	teflond0n, probably the designer's guide. there's also a very nice article on the Wiki about "How to give WebGUI your own style"	22:44
@preaction_	metanil, those are for the site's normal access to the database, look in your webgui.conf files (WebGUI/etc/sitename.conf) and look for "dbUser" and "dbPass"	22:45
teflond0n	I've went through that article a few times... I may just be taking the wrong approach	22:45
metanil	o o.. if i switched the mysql database.. then i should create this users.. right? BTW, do i have to give some specific privilege to these users?	22:46
@preaction_	metanil, the user needs all privileges to their specific database	22:47
metanil	yaa.. i got it.. thanks.. i'll try it then.. and get back here.	22:47
metanil	how do i connect to this channel?	22:55
metanil	any command?	22:56
@preaction_	irc.freenode.net, #webgui	22:56
metanil	it says unknown command	22:57
@preaction_	what command are you running?	22:57
metanil	just "#webgui"	22:58
@preaction_	you need to /join #webgui	22:58
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metanil	o o	22:58
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metani1	thanks preaction..it work!	22:59
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metanil	how many that 'weird' mysql username is created for single site?	23:04
metanil	i found four on database.. and i guess my site is only using one of them..	23:05
@preaction_	one for each site should be created, you might want to check what database they have permissions on (and you can delete them if you want)	23:06
metanil	the password in <mysite>.conf file in in MD5 ..right?	23:07
metanil	or is it a simple text..	23:13
metanil	hello	23:20
metanil	why it is using same old mysql sock file	23:20
metanil	/data/wre/var/mysqldata/mysql.sock'	23:20
metanil	i looked through the code but i cannot find any setting related to the path of the mysql.sock file.	23:21
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perlDreamer	metanil, the password in the conf file should be plaintext	23:39
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perlDreamer	preaction: you're such a nice guy	00:11
perlDreamer	preaction_: you're a nice guy, too	00:11
@preaction_	you lie, you blaspheme	00:12
perlDreamer	Okay. You drive valuable members away from our community you treacherous keyboard addicted knothead	00:12
@preaction_	woohoo!	00:13
@apeiron	perlDreamer, use laziness; s/trea.+$/troll/;	00:13
@rizen	i object	00:13
@rizen	that's my job	00:13
@rizen	don't let preaction do that	00:13
perlDreamer	perl: Can't locate laziness.pm in @INC	00:14
perlDreamer	Rats	00:14
perlDreamer	Time for a new RFE	00:14
perlDreamer	perlbot: Connect to RFE forum and submit (title => Need more laziness in WRE, content => Please write, and then add the laziness pragma to the WRE for 0.8.2)	00:14
perlDreamer	perlbot: karmatize "Need more laziness in WRE", transfer 20_000	00:15
perlDreamer	rizen: I would have picked you, but that would have been Wii addicted rather than keyboard ;)	00:16
@rizen	wow	00:17
@rizen	that would be cool if you could do it	00:17
perlDreamer	It would give a new meaning to hacking code	00:17
@rizen	the perlbot connect to forum thing	00:17
perlDreamer	Surely someone somewhere has figured out how to map Wii output into keyboard macros and hot keys	00:18
perlDreamer	Speaking of hacking, I need to hack the nightly build server and then run that Storage/Image.t test by hand to figure out why it's broken.	00:19
perlDreamer	All of my debug output is being trapped by prove	00:19
@preaction_	there's something i know of that lets you connect the Wii to Windows computers and use the GH3 guitar to play Frets On Fire	00:20
@preaction_	GlovePIE <- that's what it is	00:20
@preaction_	i want to hack a proper linux driver so i can use the wiimote as a mouse	00:20
@preaction_	there's a youtube video about a guy who made the computer interface from Minority Report using a wiimote	00:21
perlDreamer	that would be cool	00:21
@preaction_	http://www.wiili.org/index.php/DarwiinRemote <- omg... it's already been made	00:21
@preaction_	for MacOSX even	00:21
@preaction_	so JT could do it on his TV	00:22
@preaction_	http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Remote_Buddy <- this thing is damn cool too, looks like you can enhance your existing apple IR remote with it	00:24
perlDreamer	Please input a motion for selecting the DVD player	00:31
perlDreamer	Please input a motion for turning off the TV	00:31
perlDreamer	Now, what would be really cool is if you combine it with X10	00:31
perlDreamer	Lights on	00:31
perlDreamer	Rear lights dim to 50%	00:32
perlDreamer	Stereo on	00:32
metanil	hey	00:54
metanil	anyone known to this problem.	00:55
metanil	/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl)	00:55
@preaction_	do you have GCC with glibc 2.4? are you using the right WRE? are you compiling the WRE?	00:55
@preaction_	http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/oreilly/radar/atom/~3/195702042/openid_20_final.html <- OpenID 2.0 is released. This looks like something that needs to be in Core (/me adds RFE)	00:56
perlDreamer	wasn't Cap10Morgan doing an OpenId already?	00:57
@preaction_	no, danny_mk made one and it's on the contribs, but it's the old OpenID, 2.0 was just released	00:57
@preaction_	the old OpenID from bradfitz of Six Apart / LiveJournal	00:57
metanil	yes i have gcc	00:57
metanil	gcc (GCC) 4.0.3 (Ubuntu 4.0.3-1ubuntu5)	00:57
perlDreamer	ah, but what about glibc?	00:58
metanil	don't know about glibc..	00:58
@preaction_	and your glibc? are you using the WRE that was compiled for ubuntu? there seems to be problems with it	00:58
@preaction_	apt-get install build-essential <- necessary	00:58
metanil	yes	00:58
metanil	i downloaded one from plainblack site	00:58
metanil	i did that a month ago.. i guess.	00:59
@preaction_	which one though?	00:59
metanil	i guess its the wrong version.. the one i download and test is for version 7.04 feisty	01:02
metanil	and i am trying it to setup in 6.06 dapper	01:03
metanil	so my bad	01:03
@preaction_	you're using the latest 0.8.1 WRE, right? get the source install and build it yourself.	01:03
metanil	no .. 0.8.0	01:03
@preaction_	0.8.1 was released a few days ago	01:03
metanil	but i didn't see any version 0.8.1 for 6.06 right	01:03
metanil	it just say ubuntu 6 server..	01:04
metanil	will that work?	01:04
@preaction_	perlbot tias	01:04
perlbot	Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works.	01:04
@preaction_	but i would suggest building it yourself	01:04
metanil	hmm..	01:05
metanil	i think wre-0.7.2-ubuntu-6.06-i386-3.tar.gz will also work .. right?	01:05
metanil	but its 0.7.2 (OLD!)	01:05
@preaction_	you don't want to use the WRE 0.7.2	01:05
perlDreamer	No	01:05
@preaction_	there are WRE build instructions on the wiki	01:05
metanil	ok i'm downloading the source	01:07
metanil	the latest one	01:07
@preaction_	i imagine if you offer to zip up your /data/wre folder when you're done and upload it to sourceforge, we can help you through the build process	01:10
@preaction_	the OpenID auth module is now number 10 on the RFE list, and i only used half my karma ;)	01:11
perlDreamer	Has it been approved already?	01:11
@preaction_	yup	01:12
* perlDreamer alleges nepotism		01:12
metanil	ok sure..	01:12
@preaction_	if you can't prove it, it didn't happen	01:12
@preaction_	metanil, by that i mean if something goes wrong, we can help fix it. you'll still need to use the instructions on the wiki	01:13
metanil	ya.. i'm in.	01:13
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5093 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Help/Macros.pm: do not modify $_ in list functions. PBP/114	01:18
CIA-44	WebGUI: colin * r5094 /WebGUI/lib/XML/RSS/Creator.pm:	01:18
CIA-44	WebGUI: Bareword file handle. See pages 202,204 of PBP. (Severity: 5)	01:18
CIA-44	WebGUI: Two-argument "open". See page 207 of PBP. (Severity: 5)	01:18
perlDreamer	This Perl::Critic thing is very cool	01:19
perlDreamer	But Martin is going to hate it	01:19
@preaction_	oh i imagine we're all going to hate it eventually	01:20
perlDreamer	level 5 isn't too bad yet	01:23
perlDreamer	but the eval thing is going to be tough	01:23
@preaction_	can't use string eval?	01:24
perlDreamer	no	01:24
perlDreamer	PBP, page 191	01:25
@preaction_	contextual return values?	01:29
perlDreamer	whoops! sorry	01:30
perlDreamer	wrong bug	01:30
perlDreamer	page 161	01:30
@preaction_	yeah, can't use string eval	01:31
perlDreamer	actually, if you have 15 minutes, you could take this one: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Calendar.pm: Don't modify $_ in list functions at line 861, column 13. See page 114 of PBP. (Severity: 5)	01:31
perlDreamer	it's a postfix for statement	01:31
@preaction_	there was a Good Reason for that! mutter mumble	01:32
@preaction_	k, will see	01:32
perlDreamer	oh, dude	01:32
perlDreamer	Don't worry	01:32
perlDreamer	A bunch of my code got pinged too	01:32
perlDreamer	and this is only level 5	01:33
@preaction_	eh, it's the Calendar, it's old-me code	01:33
perlDreamer	Yeah. A younger, less experienced preaction. Not the current, grizzled world weary hacker of 2007	01:33
@preaction_	amen brotha	01:33
@preaction_	not the one that's about to write an apache module to translate samba requests	01:34
perlDreamer	Huh?	01:34
perlDreamer	We're getting a samba plug-in?	01:34
@preaction_	no, i'm going to write an apache plugin to allow me to do: http://example.com/\\winblowz\share	01:35
@preaction_	or something	01:35
@preaction_	i've spent 3 days getting an OBSD box with PF working to do traffic shaping, NAT, and routing for my network. now i need to make it into a samba gateway / translation service to prove to my friend that he shouldn't waste $150 on windows home server	01:36
@preaction_	+ whatever he needs to get hardware that'll run the thing	01:36
perlDreamer	How about just getting a Dlink DNS-323?	01:37
perlDreamer	NAS appliance that runs linux, and allows RAID	01:37
perlDreamer	SMB, ftp, SSH, http	01:37
perlDreamer	low power	01:37
perlDreamer	and it's a print server, too	01:37
perlDreamer	http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=509	01:38
perlDreamer	Total cost, ~$400 for 0.5 Tb and RAID 0.	01:38
@preaction_	what do they mean by "access over the internet"? i need the whole samba gateway thing because i have three comps with samba shares, and he's got at least that many too	01:40
@preaction_	i expect they mean "nat port 139 to this thing"	01:40
@preaction_	or FTP or whatevz	01:40
perlDreamer	Yup.	01:40
@preaction_	which would work, but would restrict smb access from internet to just that	01:40
@preaction_	i expect i'll ask the ppl over at #samba if there's an easier solution than my cronjob that'll automount all available shares, but i also expect i'm on the right path	01:41
@preaction_	jeebus, i just svn up and did you touch every file in webgui? ;)	01:43
perlDreamer	:)	01:43
perlDreamer	Merge soon!	01:43
perlDreamer	It's mainly Help/, i18n/English/ and a whole bunch of files for 'return undef'-isms	01:44
perlDreamer	but there will be more coming	01:44
perlDreamer	I'd like to be test clean and -gentle clean by Xmas	01:44
perlDreamer	but I need server access for the tests	01:45
perlDreamer	since they run clean here and at home	01:45
@preaction_	that'd be JT's domain, i for one don't trust you. you've been shady and slipshod since you started this racket. you're brash and headstrong. i'm sick of this "Demolition Man" shenanigans!	01:46
@preaction_	Be well	01:46
perlDreamer	Hey, who are you calling shady?	01:46
@preaction_	the _ means "awesome", not "incognito"	01:47
* perlDreamer starts to get the feeling he's missing a movie quote		01:47
@preaction_	and i can't fix this: it's necessary for the operation of the feeds form. i mean, it can be fixed, and i think it's just a matter of using List::Util uniq after the map (for some reason there kept being duplicate feed IDs	01:49
@preaction_	Demolition Man quote was the last one "I'm sick of..." and "be well"	01:49
@preaction_	Demolition Man quotes seem to be the norm around the office for some reason	01:50
@preaction_	or maybe it's just one quote that they all keep saying	01:50
perlDreamer	It just needs to be uniq'ed in a non $_ altering way	01:51
@preaction_	ohhh	01:51
metanil	i'm now compiling WRE	01:52
perlDreamer	PBP 114	01:52
perlDreamer	"Never modify $_ in a list function"	01:52
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perlDreamer	btw, uniq is in List::MoreUtils	01:54
@preaction_	committed	01:57
perlDreamer	you rock	01:57
perlDreamer	Your contributions to WebGUI enrich the whole community.	01:58
@preaction_	people keep saying that and i keep looking at how much more i could be doing	01:58
perlDreamer	You write core code, answer forum postings, help people on IRC	01:59
@preaction_	dirtyPair, for example, wanted an auction software. i've got one planned out for WebGUI, after i merge in my Gallery branch i'm going to make my own WebGUI_doug branch so I can develop experimental stuff and merge with core when it's ready	01:59
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@preaction_	i think i talked before about API versioning	01:59
@preaction_	so we can repair the Auth API	02:00
perlDreamer	I don't remember the talk about API versioning	02:03
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perlDreamer	link?	02:03
@preaction_	it was here last i knew	02:04
@preaction_	i don't even remember, maybe it was just in my head	02:04
@preaction_	or maybe it was something to do with the Paginator and marking an "apiv2" to get the template variables to no longer have the period chars in them	02:05
metanil	(whole bunch of ERRORS coming..)	02:06
@preaction_	pastebin	02:07
@preaction_	not here	02:07
@preaction_	pastebin	02:07
metanil	WRE ERROR: lftp-3.5.10 make did not complete successfully	02:07
@preaction_	http://webgui.pastebin.com	02:07
perlDreamer	preaction_: you know where the WebGUI IRC logs are?	02:08
perlDreamer	on mentalhouse.net	02:08
perlDreamer	I'll look there.	02:08
perlDreamer	Do you remember the month?	02:08
@preaction_	not especially, but it doesn't matter really	02:08
@preaction_	nope	02:08
@preaction_	again, it's probably all in my head	02:08
perlDreamer	k	02:08
metanil	pastebin?	02:09
metanil	help-> pastebin	02:09
metanil	:D	02:09
@preaction_	the idea being: The class has an $API_VERSION class-scoped lexical and the superclass uses it to determine what arguments are being passed to its methods	02:09
@preaction_	that way two different APIs can be supported by the same superclass	02:09
metanil	how can i use pastebin?	02:09
@preaction_	read the /topic	02:10
@preaction_	and when you do, paste your entire build.sh output to the pastebin, then give us the link	02:10
metanil	(damn!)	02:11
metanil	i should have looked at that	02:11
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metanil	hello	02:12
metanil	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d4bbf4577	02:13
@preaction_	looks like libreadline isn't going to compile on your system	02:14
metanil	oh!	02:15
metanil	is it the package within the WRE?	02:15
@preaction_	wrebuild/source/lftp-3.5.10/readline-4.3 <- that	02:16
metanil	hmm..	02:20
metanil	see at line 207	02:21
@preaction_	that's ./configure, if configure encounted a fatal bug it would've stopped	02:22
metanil	so its ok to not having LIBGNUTLS	02:22
@preaction_	right	02:22
@preaction_	the fatal stuff start at line 845	02:23
metanil	i guess i have readline on my system already..	02:25
metanil	libreadline5	02:26
@preaction_	you do, but the WRE compiles another for itself (rather, lftp compiles one for itself)	02:26
metanil	but its 4.3	02:26
metanil	why can't it use the system's one?	02:26
@preaction_	it can't be sure the system has one	02:26
@preaction_	but we can try to munge it for your system, to get it to compile	02:27
@preaction_	in the wrebuild/source/lftp-3.5.10 there should be an INSTALL file, does it say anything about Ubuntu Dapper?	02:28
@apeiron	hmmm	02:28
@apeiron	* ncurses or termcap development is required. If you get undefined	02:29
@apeiron	references to tputs or tgetent, install ncurses-devel package.	02:29
@preaction_	sounds like something that should be in the WRE	02:29
metanil	lets see	02:29
@apeiron	ehh	02:29
metanil	ncurses-devel?	02:29
perlDreamer	yup	02:29
@preaction_	metanil, apt-get install ncurses-dev (or if that fails, apt-cache search ncurses dev)	02:30
metanil	sure sure man.. thanks.	02:30
metanil	(i'm getting excited)	02:30
metanil	no no no no no	02:30
perlDreamer	If you think this is fun, you should come to the next WebGUI User's Conference	02:30
@preaction_	lib32ncurses5-dev <- probable package name	02:31
metanil	i guess.. i build successfully this time ..	02:31
metanil	:D	02:31
metanil	but i can' t say.. right.. its still compiling..	02:31
metanil	but i bet .. it did pass that line.. without any errors..	02:31
metanil	(yeah!!!)	02:31
metanil	its now building libtool-1.5.22	02:32
metanil	now expat-2.0.0	02:32
@apeiron	re termcap / ncurses in the WRE: I'm reminded of the termcap vs. terminfo situation. Does any 'modern' software actually require / prefer terminfo?	02:32
metanil	going for libxml now.	02:33
@preaction_	couldn't tell you: the magic of systems programming / compiling / libraries and dependancies are all beyond me atm	02:33
@apeiron	heh.	02:34
@preaction_	brute force method of "google and experiment" is about all i can do	02:34
@apeiron	Learn C.	02:34
@apeiron	It'll help.	02:34
@preaction_	it's on my list, after python	02:34
perlDreamer	You mean there's more than "google and experiment"?	02:34
@apeiron	(or learn C by making stuff build, like I did)	02:34
@apeiron	preaction_, http://xkcd.com/353/ # :(	02:35
@apeiron	preaction_, Read the title="" part.	02:35
@preaction_	omg he's leaving Perl?	02:36
@apeiron	If we are to take the strip at face value and assume the POV of the strip is the xkcd author.	02:36
@preaction_	i want to learn python just so i can figure out why the Perl v. Python debate exists	02:36
@apeiron	IMO, it's largely an issue of preferences and taste.	02:37
@preaction_	that and I hear it's easier to interlace Python with C libraries (XS is nice, but it's kinda ugly)	02:37
@preaction_	i think the perl and python communities are fundamentally different, with different goals	02:37
@apeiron	Aside from being a bit outdated with regard to the tests that h2xs generates these days, perlxstut is pretty solid.	02:38
perlDreamer	OO in python is dirt simple	02:39
@preaction_	Strawberry Perl is another thing, too little too late	02:39
perlDreamer	And it prevents people from writing "ugly code"	02:39
@preaction_	eh, that's the main thing i hate about python, the whitespace-as-syntax	02:40
perlDreamer	yeah	02:40
perlDreamer	welcome back to FORTRAN	02:40
@apeiron	'back to' heh	02:40
perlDreamer	Y'all never learned FORTRAN?	02:40
@apeiron	er, they didn't teach that in school, I'm afraid.	02:41
@preaction_	nope, i was the only one in my school who wanted "Advanced Programming", so they didn't let me	02:41
perlDreamer	Listen here, sonny, you need to pick better schools ;)	02:41
@preaction_	no college to speak of outside of C++ (crap) and Java (worse crap)	02:41
perlDreamer	In my days, we used bark for computing, and we LIKED IT.	02:41
@apeiron	I went to a parochial school largely because the public schools are so bad that the state's been involved.	02:42
@apeiron	So, not much in terms of modern technology.	02:42
perlDreamer	We punched holes in the bark with awls, and if you happened to put one through your hand, you just bled and kept on punching	02:42
@apeiron	awls? D'you mean awk?	02:42
perlDreamer	Kind of, only more pointy	02:43
perlDreamer	well, us old folk need our rest	02:44
perlDreamer	Catch y'all later	02:44
@preaction_	cya	02:44
@apeiron	See ya tomorrow, good sir.	02:44
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metanil	oh no.. its still compiling.	03:53
@preaction_	that's a good thing	03:54
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metanil	==> Auto-install the 1 optional module(s) from CPAN? [n]	06:05
@preaction_	up to you, i'd go with "no" for now	06:15
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CIA-44	WebGUI: jt * r5097 /releases/WebGUI_7.4.17-stable: Release 7.4.17-stable	08:03
CIA-44	WebGUI: graham * r5098 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 5 dirs): preparing for 7.4.18 dev	08:03
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metanil	bravo "Building Complete And Successful"	08:21
@preaction_	yay!	08:21
metanil	i am creating package..	08:27
metanil	where should i submit it?	08:27
metanil	in sourforge?	08:28
@preaction_	hang on, finding out	08:28
@preaction_	upload to ftp://upload.sf.net/incoming, name it something like wre-0.8.1-ubuntu-6.06-i386.tar.gz (or whatever your processor is)	08:32
@preaction_	then post on http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss	08:33
@preaction_	might want to add the note about making sure ncurses-dev is installed	08:33
@preaction_	(to the post you make on the dev forum, i mean)	08:34
+Radix-wrk	Cool.. I like flickr's new editing capabilities	08:34
+Radix-wrk	can rotate/crop/resize/alter exposure/colours, sharpen, red-eye, plus heaps of custom effects.. like vignette, soft focus, sepia, b&w, etc.. all in the browser	08:34
@preaction_	that is awesome	08:34
@preaction_	might need to RFE that for the Photo asset when the Gallery is done ;)	08:35
metanil	i didn't install ncurses-dev (i guess)	08:36
@preaction_	you didn't? i thought that's what you did and it started working	08:37
metanil	however i install libreadline5-deev	08:37
metanil	dev	08:37
@preaction_	ahh, then mention that	08:38
metanil	after i install that.. i runs fine..	08:39
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metanil	preaction_ did you got the package at that ftp	08:57
metanil	i cannot see any files that i just sent.	08:58
@preaction_	i don't have access to the sf.net project	09:01
metanil	oops..	09:03
@preaction_	might want to post on the dev forum and ask them how to do it	09:03
@preaction_	is someone with the latest webgui around for me to test something?	09:14
@preaction_	i need someone to try to create a File asset by going into the Asset Manager and clicking at the bottom-most File or Image link (do not do a File Pile)	09:15
+Radix-wrk	demo?	09:15
@preaction_	does it work?	09:15
@preaction_	oh... duh	09:15
+Radix-wrk	hehe	09:15
dapperedodo	You don't see the files you upload yourself, just be confident it is uploaded.	09:15
dapperedodo	(in sf that is)	09:16
metanil	o o .. thanks dapperdodo	09:23
dapperedodo	I had the same problem, you can try to upload it again and it will say that the file already exists, and you cannot overwrite it.	09:23
metanil	yaa.. it throws error..	09:25
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BartJol	does anyone know how to set a translation as default language pack	14:34
BartJol	?	14:35
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BartJol	dapperedodo do you know how to set a translation as default?	14:35
dapperedodo	Default for the new user is in the userProfiling, change the default value of the language	14:36
dapperedodo	Default for the visitor is set in the profile of the user 'visitor'	14:36
BartJol	makes sense	14:37
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wgGuest30	what timezone is plainblack based in?	15:11
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ckotil	im guessing EST	15:24
ckotil	they are based out of madison, wisonsin	15:25
t3flond0n	ok thanks	15:25
ckotil	could be CST.	15:25
ckotil	not sure what goes on that far north ;)	15:25
t3flond0n	I was actually looking to buy some of their books on line	15:25
t3flond0n	lol same here	15:25
t3flond0n	GA here... and yourself?	15:25
ckotil	Indian	15:26
ckotil	a	15:26
t3flond0n	you fairly familiar with webgui?	15:26
ckotil	yes. i've been using it for a little over 1 year now	15:26
t3flond0n	what should I be using tagwise to display images etc.	15:27
t3flond0n	my background images are in the css	15:27
t3flond0n	but i cant get ANY images to display	15:27
ckotil	html tag? <img>	15:28
t3flond0n	so it shouldnt be any different than standard html right?	15:28
ckotil	the end result will be exactly the same	15:29
ckotil	to do it the webgui way, you will want to upload your image via 'file pile'	15:29
ckotil	then when you go to edit an article or page layout asset you can use the WYSIWYG editor to insert that image.	15:29
t3flond0n	does filepile go into the folder your in - in admin mode or is there a default?	15:30
t3flond0n	I ask because when I do filepile none of the images are uploaded	15:32
ckotil	they will go into your current location. you can use the admin console to navigate through your site	15:35
ckotil	take a look at your webgui.log file	15:35
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t3flond0n	ok said the directory did not exist and it couldnt create it	15:40
t3flond0n	so I think I may have a permissions issue on that box	15:40
ckotil	yup , sounds like thats the issue	15:40
t3flond0n	but why would it let me upload individual files and not batch upload?	15:41
ckotil	the individual files could have been saved to a directory with the proper permissions. and the batch upload files did not	15:42
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t3flond0n	can I link a bit of CSS and you tell me if I have the img source set right	15:44
BartJol	you can also use an assetprocy	15:45
BartJol	proxy	15:45
BartJol	that's a macro	15:45
t3flond0n	how would I do that	15:47
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t3flond0n	body{background: #555 url(^FileUrl(style/pattern.png);); repeat;}	15:48
ckotil	so ^FileUrl( is a macro	15:49
ckotil	and its wierd.	15:49
t3flond0n	should I have that on there?	15:49
ckotil	it shoudl work. but just for fun. try using ^AssetProxy( instead	15:49
t3flond0n	so ^AssetProxy(style/pattern.png););	15:50
ckotil	yup	15:50
ckotil	then when the page loads. check the source to make sure the location is correct. i.e. try to access it in your browser	15:51
t3flond0n	should the url still be infront of all that?	15:52
t3flond0n	or just ^Assetproxy(style/pattern.png);	15:52
ckotil	url is part of the css	15:53
ckotil	so that has to be there	15:53
t3flond0n	ok... now... if I go to click on more and view on the image I get The requested URL /uploads/Dj/kp/Djkp4Wd7X1iOCyt69FBH7Q/ was not found on this server.	15:55
t3flond0n	so I think its not loading the image because its not uploaded correctly	15:55
ckotil	probably	15:55
t3flond0n	once again it seems my problem boils down to permission issue .....	15:56
t3flond0n	any idea what permissions I need to check first?	15:56
ckotil	i always issue a 'chown apache -R /gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/WebGUI/www/public/uploads/	15:57
ckotil	'	15:57
ckotil	after any upgrade.	15:57
ckotil	bc permissions seem to change.	15:57
ckotil	or i guess i normally dont have to do it after an upgrade. but certainly after an install or bringing up a backup	15:58
t3flond0n	brb gonna go run that	16:00
t3flond0n	ok now	16:04
t3flond0n	before i run this	16:04
t3flond0n	I know that should be different on the gnoc/globalnoc	16:04
t3flond0n	should that be in your wre file? under prereqs	16:05
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ckotil	heh	16:07
ckotil	/gnoc/globalnoc/htdocs/ is specific to my setup.	16:07
ckotil	i would cd to your WebGUI dir.	16:07
ckotil	then issue chmod apache -R www/public/	16:07
ckotil	this is assuming apache is the apache user, and all the file permissions are set to allow the owner to read and write.	16:08
t3flond0n	well everything was default	16:09
t3flond0n	so could i just do chmode -R www/public/	16:10
ckotil	if thats what needs to be done.	16:10
ckotil	the wre should just work 'out of the box'	16:10
t3flond0n	is that supposed to be the document root?	16:18
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ckotil	no document root is /data/WebGUI/ unless you installed it elsewhere	16:26
ckotil	hrmm i guess www/ is the document root	16:29
t3flond0n	ok...	16:30
t3flond0n	I know the command I need to use is chown -R :group file	16:31
t3flond0n	the only issue I need to find out is what owner or group I need to do this for	16:31
ckotil	take a look at which user is running the httpd process	16:32
t3flond0n	whats the command for that	16:32
ckotil	ps aux \| grep httpd	16:32
t3flond0n	that would be root I think	16:33
t3flond0n	<-- running it off a Mac OSX	16:33
ckotil	ah.	16:33
ckotil	im running 10.5.1 and	16:34
t3flond0n	so then it would be chown -R	16:34
ckotil	_www is the user running httpd	16:34
t3flond0n	where does the root name go ...	16:34
t3flond0n	still new to linux/unix systems	16:34
t3flond0n	but getting there	16:34
t3flond0n	considering I have only been doing them about a week	16:34
ckotil	there is a single process of httpd owned by root. but the rest are _www. if your certain its root.. chown root:root -R www/public/	16:35
ckotil	heh. yikes, thats a lot to absorb in a week.	16:35
t3flond0n	well when I ran the ps aux - root was on one line - and there was nothing else	16:35
t3flond0n	its ok - abuse makes you learn fast	16:35
t3flond0n	;)	16:35
t3flond0n	it said chown: root: Invalid Argument	16:36
t3flond0n	says usage: chown [-fhv] [-R [-H \| -L \| -P]] owner[:group] file	16:39
t3flond0n	says usage: chown [-fhv] [-R [-H \| -L \| -P]] :group file	16:39
ckotil	the -R comes before root:root	16:40
ckotil	sorry	16:40
t3flond0n	np	16:40
t3flond0n	chown -R root:root www/public/ invalid argument again	16:40
ckotil	type pwd	16:42
ckotil	to make sure you are in the webgui dir	16:42
t3flond0n	ok... got it to chown: /data/WebGUI/www/public/ but then says no such file or directory	16:42
t3flond0n	yep	16:42
t3flond0n	pwd says data/WebGUI	16:42
ckotil	something isnt right with the syntax of that command is all.	16:43
t3flond0n	chown -R root www/public/	16:45
t3flond0n	everything look right here?	16:45
ckotil	looks good to me	16:46
ckotil	you might need to 'su' or 'su root' first.	16:46
ckotil	which will make you the root user.	16:46
t3flond0n	ok finally	16:48
t3flond0n	there wasnt a public - went through the directory to check	16:48
t3flond0n	got it though	16:48
t3flond0n	now let me upload again	16:48
t3flond0n	wtheck	16:52
t3flond0n	now its saying couldnt create storage location /data/domains/test.name.org/public/uploads	16:52
perlmonkey2	7.4.17 is out, but the svn upgrade.pl said my DB is up to date at 7.4.14?	16:53
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t3flond0n	2007/12/06 09:58:25 - ERROR - test.ucschools.org.conf - main::[[undef]] -	17:03
t3flond0n	anyone got any suggestions where to start with this?	17:03
ckotil	thats your webgui.conf file	17:05
ckotil	dunno what else to make of that error.	17:06
ckotil	any have the html+css to create near transparent but colorful backdrops for div's w/ rounded edges?	17:06
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perlmonkey2	has something changed with new WebGUI installs and the default template has changed?	17:23
perlmonkey2	never mind, a permissions issue.	17:25
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t3flond0n	anyone got any suggestions for good reading material that will help me with both webgui and CSS - or atleast webgui	17:31
ckotil	scour the webgui wiki	17:32
perlmonkey2	t3flond0n: Yes, the wiki has tons of great info. Even a good CSS tut.	17:32
t3flond0n	I havent quite gotten enough detail out of that... considering purchasing the webgui books	17:32
t3flond0n	atleast a couple of them	17:32
perlmonkey2	t3flond0n: Either that or WebGUI support, which is great.	17:32
t3flond0n	mayb my problem is im trying to learn both linux/unix and webgui at the same time	17:33
perlmonkey2	t3flond0n: I've looked over the books and they seem well written and pertinent.	17:33
perlmonkey2	t3flond0n: yes, that would like trying to learn calc and diffy Q at the same time.	17:33
ckotil	webgui support IS great.	17:34
t3flond0n	worth paying for?	17:35
ckotil	definately.	17:35
t3flond0n	or would you recommend learning from books?	17:35
ckotil	almost required if you're going to use webgui in a production environment	17:35
t3flond0n	I work at a school system	17:35
t3flond0n	they want to try it out	17:35
ckotil	both. what are you going to use webgui for?	17:35
ckotil	ah, cool.	17:35
ckotil	lots of schools use webgui.	17:35
t3flond0n	from what I have seen there are some nice sites.	17:36
ckotil	yeah, you can do anything with this CMS.	17:36
perlmonkey2	t3flond0n: WebGUI uses the Pelr HTML::Template which allows WebGUI to work in almost any design you can dream up. Plus it is fast and easy to customize. Not that most people need to customize as it seems to come with every feature thinkable.	17:37
t3flond0n	well I had a site i found	17:37
t3flond0n	open source	17:37
t3flond0n	that i was trying to implement	17:37
ckotil	html::template::expr allows for even more customization, and the templatetoolkit is supposed to allow for even more! tho i havent used the template toolkit yet	17:38
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perlmonkey2	ckotil: WebGUI now supports TT?	17:38
perlmonkey2	WOOOOOT!	17:38
ckotil	pretty sure.	17:38
perlmonkey2	No offense against HT, but I way prefer TT.	17:38
ckotil	id have to rewrite all my templates ;)	17:39
perlmonkey2	although I'll have to look at HT::expr	17:39
wgGuest78	http://www.opendesigns.org/preview/?template=947	17:39
wgGuest78	how hard do you think it would be to get this into the WebGui system	17:39
perlmonkey2	Not too hard	17:39
perlmonkey2	the nav bar is always the sticky part.	17:39
perlmonkey2	looks pretty easy to move	17:40
wgGuest78	you mean at the top or on the left?	17:40
perlmonkey2	the top nav bar....just a matter of CSS, but then I hate doing the CSS work.	17:40
wgGuest78	if I knew more about CSS it wouldnt be so bad	17:40
ckotil	the nav on the left would be pretty easy. the top nav would require a little more effort	17:40
perlmonkey2	what nav bar on the left? addition links?	17:41
wgGuest78	but when I originally learned web design I was tought layouts and such using tables shakes head	17:41
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teflond0n	yea	17:41
teflond0n	thats what I was worried about	17:41
ckotil	perlmonkey2 : eh i guess you woudlnt need a nav asset for the left side	17:41
teflond0n	the top one wouldnt need to move I dont think	17:41
perlmonkey2	if you know any css you can do that top nav bar to some similiarity without hardly any effort.	17:41
perlmonkey2	to get it exactly the same will require tinkering.	17:41
teflond0n	well i have 2 css books on the way - ordered them from amazon yesterday	17:42
ckotil	Im more of a google learner myself. we have books in the office for about any subject tho for me to fallback on.	17:42
teflond0n	well i get tired of being on the pc all the time - at home at work and everywhere in between	17:43
perlmonkey2	WebGUI's tut would (and probably their books) would get you a long ways to being able to do this. It isn't really that hard if you know what you're doing (and I try to dislearn CSS right after I finish any CSS).	17:43
perlmonkey2	I vote for dead trees too	17:43
teflond0n	is any WebGUI employees around?	17:44
teflond0n	er plainblack	17:44
teflond0n	bb in a few	17:46
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teflond0n	preaction - you work for plainblack/webgui?	18:40
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teflond0n	does anyone know how to do the macro for both username and password login box	19:19
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: You want to alter the macro?	19:25
teflond0n	no - in my site layout whenever i try and put in a login and password box it throws off the layout-	19:26
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: By looking at the 3rd template, this looks like what you want: <div id="login">	19:27
perlmonkey2	^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000092"); · ^AdminToggle;	19:27
perlmonkey2	</div>	19:27
teflond0n	i was wondering if it was because i was doing something wrong with the code...	19:27
teflond0n	thx	19:27
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perlmonkey2	teflond0n: Were you wanting to directly edit the macro for something?	19:33
teflond0n	no	19:43
teflond0n	I was actually just trying to make sure that stayed in a presigned portion of my page.... its not working out so hot	19:43
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perlmonkey2	teflond0n: I'm sure that macro uses a template	20:05
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: look at Root > Import Node > Macro/L_loginBox	20:14
perlmonkey2	not sure which one is being used.	20:14
perlmonkey2	looks lke the horizontal box is the default for style 3	20:15
perlmonkey2	I'd copy the horizontal template, point your style 3 (or copy style 3) at it and be done :)	20:16
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perlDreamer	Perl::Critic appears to be even slower than the original i18n.t	21:06
perlDreamer	I didn't think that was possible.	21:06
@rizen	hehe	21:07
perlDreamer	My policy also seems to have a few bugs, but those can be worked out	21:07
@rizen	you wrote a custom policy	21:08
@rizen	?	21:08
perlDreamer	Yeah	21:08
perlDreamer	Had to for the I18n check	21:08
@rizen	chris dolan will be so happy with you	21:08
@rizen	have you guys been chatting it up?	21:09
perlDreamer	I haven't really needed any support yet.	21:09
perlDreamer	It was surprisingly easy	21:09
perlDreamer	see /data/WebGUI/t/lib/Perl......	21:09
perlDreamer	ah, and there's the bug	21:11
perlDreamer	It doesn't handle the default namespace for WebGUI	21:11
perlDreamer	I'll fix that after I come back from the gym	21:12
perlDreamer	bbl	21:12
metanil	" Do you want to configure this WRE as a development only environment?"	21:16
metanil	whats the different between choosing YES and No	21:16
metanil	how can i migrate from WebGUI 7.4.11 to 7.4.17??	21:42
metanil	its in different machine	21:42
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teflond0n	hey perlmonkey2 - I didnt get a chance to thank you earlier - but you helped me get the admin login box fixed	21:55
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: Well I am happy I could help.	21:56
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: Did you just alter the existing style or create a new one?	21:57
teflond0n	copyed the info you posted and had to modify some <div tags on my site	21:57
perlmonkey2	Am I seeing this right? 38 MySQL queries to log in and 33 queries to log out?	22:01
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teflond0n	^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000044") can anyone tell me what the numbers at the end of this string represent?	22:14
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: j/s	22:19
perlmonkey2	I believe they refer to this http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/lineage	22:19
@rizen	the numbers there are just part of the template id	22:20
ckotil	its the assetID	22:20
@rizen	yes	22:20
ckotil	templateID rather	22:20
@rizen	templateId = assetId	22:20
@rizen	same thing	22:20
@rizen	all asset id's are 22 characters long	22:20
@rizen	that's why it's so big	22:20
perlmonkey2	Could someone commit the latest database update sql to subversion?	22:24
perlmonkey2	Doh, nevermind....of course it was something I was doing.	22:26
teflond0n	i c	22:31
teflond0n	whats ·	22:35
ckotil	looks like an html code for a .	22:37
ckotil	but it will be a little higher up in the line height	22:37
teflond0n	thx	22:37
teflond0n	whats the easiest way to modify a horizontal login user/pw box to be vertical	22:41
ckotil	i believe there is a vertical login template already thre for you	22:41
ckotil	try /default_login_box2	22:42
ckotil	or just /default_login_box	22:43
perlmonkey2	teflond0n: Take some time to explore the asset manager. It is a very handy way to explore WebGUI.	22:58
perlDreamer	ugh, make that two bugs	23:07
perlDreamer	The policy was trying to resolve calls to any objects ->get method	23:07
perlDreamer	no wonder it was so slow!	23:07
perlDreamer	It takes 4.5 minutes to check one file	23:13
perlDreamer	There are 533 files in the wG lib dir	23:13
perlDreamer	hmmmm	23:14
BartJol	well thta's only around 40 hours...	23:20
perlDreamer	Not too bad? :(	23:20
BartJol	sound as much fun as translating webgui	23:26
perlDreamer	well, it guarantees that there are no broken labels in the source code. It's a good test to have.	23:28
perlDreamer	It's just slow	23:28
BartJol	does it have to be repeated in new version? or can you label "good code"	23:36
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perlDreamer	It should be run on each version, so that you know you're releasing good code.	23:55
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BartJol	pweeew, well but a good cause may take some time	00:02
perlDreamer	yes, kind of like mixing pannenkoeken batter	00:02
perlDreamer	or pumpkin soup	00:03
BartJol	:)	00:09
BartJol	indeed	00:09
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BartJol	bye	00:47
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perlDreamer	good night, Bart	00:48
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@preaction_	i officially hate the current File asset... 12 hours later I finally got my refactoring to work	01:36
perlDreamer	Noted.	01:36
perlDreamer	Be well	01:36
@preaction_	it's cleaner, but it creates two storage locations again	01:37
@preaction_	it deletes one of them, but still...	01:37
perlDreamer	I've been testing my Perl::Critic policy	01:37
perlDreamer	It takes 4.5 minutes to test Asset.pm	01:38
@preaction_	ooooh	01:38
@preaction_	jeebus	01:38
perlDreamer	On a 500 MHz PIII	01:38
@preaction_	oh, but still	01:38
perlDreamer	Yeah, I think PPI must be slow	01:38
@preaction_	wouldn't doubt it, it's trying to parse Perl ;)	01:39
perlDreamer	Do you have time to test it on a Mac?	01:39
@preaction_	sure	01:40
perlDreamer	svn up from head	01:40
perlDreamer	perldoc /data/WebGUI/t/lib/Perl/Critic/Policy/WebGUI/NoIllegalI18NLabels.pm	01:40
perlDreamer	that will give you instructions.	01:40
perlDreamer	you'll also need PPI and Perl::Critic installed	01:41
@preaction_	is it just cpan PPI or cpan Bundle-PPI?	01:45
perlDreamer	I did a cpan install Perl::Critic and it worked	01:46
perlDreamer	but it takes a while	01:46
@preaction_	ah, k	01:46
@preaction_	yeah	01:46
perlDreamer	lots and lots of modules	01:46
perlDreamer	the good news is that the new policy is equivalent in functionality to the old label.t	01:47
perlDreamer	the bad news, of course, is that it's very slow compared to label.t	01:47
perlDreamer	and PPI may not be able to handle the scoping that we need to fix the failing test in the first place.	01:48
perlDreamer	I need a way to detect the beginning and end of a block, and PPI doesn't work that way.	01:48
perlDreamer	It only does tokens, not events	01:48
perlDreamer	well, Perl::Critic does anyway	01:48
@preaction_	couldn't the policy keep track of the scope itself? i mean, it'd probably be a lot slower	01:49
perlDreamer	It would need to duplicate P::C's token iterator	01:49
perlDreamer	I wonder if it can be made to re-enter it...	01:49
@preaction_	would the RFE list be a good place for programming tasks / bounties? like for example I think that the Captcha generation should be factored out of WebGUI::Storage::Image, and WebGUI::Image should be the only module that uses Image::Magick, Graphics::Magick, or GD	01:53
perlDreamer	Tasks, yes.	01:54
perlDreamer	Bounties, no	01:54
perlDreamer	How would you implement a bounty?	01:54
@preaction_	true, they'd have to be manually applied (karma, of course)	01:54
perlDreamer	yeah, before the bounty system works, we need the user karma transfer RFE to be written	01:55
perlDreamer	um, submitted, approved and implemented	01:56
perlDreamer	btw, this is just my opinion, but I think we should subclass Image:::Magick, instead of wrapping it	01:57
perlDreamer	kind of like the DateTime vs the old DateTime	01:57
@preaction_	well, the Wrapper handles IM, GM, and can handle other libs later	01:57
@rizen	but it won't	01:58
@preaction_	it would probably be better to have the Wrapper WebGUI::Image call drivers like WebGUI::Image::ImageMagick which could be a subclass of ImageMagick	01:58
@rizen	we're getting rid of gm	01:58
@rizen	not saying drivers would be a bad idea	01:58
@rizen	but the support of GM as it stands won't be there in 7.5	01:58
@preaction_	should I leave in all the errorHandler->info statements I've been using to debug things?	02:00
@preaction_	i mean, the useful ones	02:00
@preaction_	like creating/deleting storage locations, uploading filenames	02:01
@rizen	sure	02:02
@rizen	that's what it's there fore	02:02
@preaction_	just making sure, it's a new development (the only one i've seen is the one for realtime commits)	02:02
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@rizen	preaction, when you get a page about dos	02:07
@rizen	don't worry about it	02:07
@rizen	we're upgrading	02:07
@preaction_	k, good luck	02:11
@preaction_	i'm still resolving deps for PerlCritic :p	02:11
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wgGuest69	How do you set a synopsis in a CS template?	02:13
@preaction_	the Metadata tab has the synopsis field	02:13
wgGuest69	Do I put what I want the synopsis to be in the Summary?	02:15
@preaction_	perlDreamer, i've got it installed, do i just: WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/webgui.conf PERL5LIB=/data/WebGUI/t/lib perlcritic --single-policy NoIllegalI18NLabels	02:15
@preaction_	wgGuest37, ah, yes, it's called summary	02:15
perlDreamer	preaction_: Yes, your stealthiness	02:15
perlDreamer	uiLevel >= 3 for the Summary field to show up	02:16
perlDreamer	and 3 for the MetaData tab	02:16
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wgGuest69	Should the synopsis line in the cs template be in the tmpl loop?	02:20
@preaction_	which tmpl loop?	02:23
@preaction_	the one for threads?	02:23
wgGuest69	The one that begins the thread; the cs template	02:25
@preaction_	i don't understand, do you have an example you can paste to the pastebin in the topic?	02:26
wgGuest69	I want to implement a read more in a news cs	02:26
@preaction_	CS contain Threads, Threads contain Posts. The CS template displays threads	02:27
@preaction_	i thought the existing News / Blog template had a read more link?	02:27
wgGuest69	It doesn't give a synopsis of the post	02:28
wgGuest69	How & where do I paste the cs template I created?	02:30
@preaction_	read the /topic	02:30
perlDreamer	go to webgui.pastebin.com	02:31
@preaction_	how long is this NoIllegalI18N test supposed to take?	02:34
wgGuest69	I did already	02:34
perlDreamer	4.5 minutes on just Asset.pm on my dev box	02:34
@preaction_	it's taken longer than that, i don't think it's doing anything at all	02:35
perlDreamer	wgGuest69, what's the url for your paste?	02:35
wgGuest69	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m65e2986f	02:36
perlDreamer	preaction_: did you give it EXACTLY that command that you pasted above?	02:36
perlDreamer	If so, it's scanning EVERY module	02:36
perlDreamer	stop it, and append Asset.pm to the end to just do that noe	02:37
@preaction_	oh jeebus	02:37
@preaction_	k, started now	02:37
perlDreamer	Bart and I did a quick estimate, takes about 40 hours to do them all	02:37
perlDreamer	but that assumes all the files are the same size as Asset.pm	02:39
perlDreamer	most aren't	02:39
@preaction_	it only took like a minute	02:39
@preaction_	and for some reason the Help seems to tell me that there's no "synopsis" variable in the post_loop for the Collaboration Post List template	02:40
@preaction_	which is kinda weird.	02:40
perlDreamer	the Collaboration Post Loop needs to inherit a subset of the Post variables	02:41
perlDreamer	I haven't set that up yet	02:41
perlDreamer	Feel free to if you wish	02:41
@preaction_	can't atm, but i imagine it should use getTemplateVars()	02:41
perlDreamer	I think it actually contains the variable, but the Help just doesn't show it, so probably some isa and segmentation work.	02:42
@preaction_	ah	02:42
@preaction_	actually, it doesn't look like it does: Collaboration->appendTemplateVarsPostLoop	02:43
@preaction_	er... appendPostListTemplateVars	02:43
@preaction_	but that can't be true either... i've seen it used... humph...	02:44
perlDreamer	$post->get should bring it in	02:44
perlDreamer	since it's an asset level property of the Post	02:45
@preaction_	oh, dur, there it is	02:45
perlDreamer	heading home. Catch y'all later	02:46
@preaction_	and the Weblog template for the Collaboration System does exactly what I said it does	02:46
@preaction_	cya pd	02:46
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perlmonkey2	Can someone point me to docs on how to use the Collab system and the photo gallery? I've added them to my test instance, but they don't have any controls for doing anything except subscribing and searching.	05:25
@rizen	you have to commit it first	05:25
@rizen	then you can use it	05:25
perlmonkey2	oh.... Thanks :)	05:25
perlmonkey2	rizen: Did you ever reassign the survey system? I have the rest of the month off and started working on it again today.	05:26
@rizen	nope	05:27
@rizen	nobody else was interested	05:27
@rizen	it would be great if you could still do it	05:27
perlmonkey2	Good....Cool.	05:28
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+Radix-wrk	welcome back	05:55
@preaction_	it is you who has come back!	05:57
+Radix-wrk	not from where I'm standing ;)	06:16
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SDuensin	FrIdAy!	15:53
perlmonkey2	Hah, everyday is Friday for me, for the rest of the year!	16:03
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wgGuest45	I've uploaded a cs template at http://webgui.pastebin.com/m65e2986f. Why is the content appearing twice?	16:40
wgGuest45	Content in the post	16:40
ckotil	fridays for the rest of the year start for me next friday	16:44
ckotil	wgGuest45: not sure. i only see the tmpl_var content, once.	16:46
ckotil	post_loop must be the cause	16:46
teflond0n	does anyone know why a png image saved with a transparent bg isnt having a transparent bg in IE	16:47
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MrHairgreas1	khenn: do you know how I execute a real time workflow?	17:55
@khenn	yes	17:56
@khenn	what are you trying to do?	17:56
MrHairgreas1	I'm deleting a user account	17:56
MrHairgreas1	but before doing that	17:56
MrHairgreas1	i need to run a WebGUI::User workflow for that account	17:56
@khenn	ok	17:57
@khenn	you need to create or edit the workflow you want to run	17:57
MrHairgreas1	so I'll have to wait for deleting the account until the workflow has fisinshed	17:57
@khenn	and there you choose Real Time workflow	17:57
MrHairgreas1	did that	17:57
MrHairgreas1	did that	17:57
@khenn	then you make sure that one is set in the user settings to execute	17:57
@khenn	and that should be it	17:57
MrHairgreas1	no	17:58
MrHairgreas1	I'm trying to trigger it fromcustom code	17:58
@khenn	oh	17:58
MrHairgreas1	i'm doing WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create	17:58
BartJol	>MrHair: Thirsty yet?	18:00
MrHairgreas1	somewhat yes	18:00
@khenn	yeah that is what you do	18:01
@khenn	WebGUI::Workflow::Instance->create	18:01
@khenn	look at WebGUI::Auth	18:01
@khenn	line 275	18:01
MrHairgreas1	but how do I wait for it to finish?	18:01
MrHairgreas1	yeah	18:01
MrHairgreas1	I found it there	18:01
@khenn	it's realtime	18:01
@khenn	so once it returns it's done	18:01
MrHairgreas1	hmm	18:01
MrHairgreas1	ok	18:01
@khenn	ie, if it takes 10 minutes	18:01
@khenn	your app is going to spin for a while	18:01
MrHairgreas1	that not what I experienced	18:01
@khenn	well	18:02
@khenn	I haven't actually tried it	18:02
@khenn	I'm going on what JT has told me	18:02
MrHairgreas1	I'll investigate a bit further	18:02
MrHairgreas1	thanks	18:02
@khenn	oh	18:03
@khenn	it looks like you have to pass it in	18:03
@khenn	mode=>"realtime"	18:03
MrHairgreas1	oh really	18:03
MrHairgreas1	damn	18:03
MrHairgreas1	I must've read over that one	18:03
MrHairgreas1	trying it now	18:03
@khenn	look at the properties in WebGUI::Workflow	18:03
@khenn	set	18:03
MrHairgreas1	yeah i did that	18:04
MrHairgreas1	or so i thought =)	18:04
@khenn	there is a mode you pass into properties	18:04
MrHairgreas1	yeah	18:04
MrHairgreas1	i understand	18:05
MrHairgreas1	i just didn't see it in the pod	18:05
MrHairgreas1	but it's there	18:05
MrHairgreas1	rioght at the bottom	18:05
MrHairgreas1	hmm	18:06
MrHairgreas1	stil no workie	18:06
MrHairgreas1	i must be doing something stupid	18:06
MrHairgreas1	i'll leave it for later this weekend	18:07
MrHairgreas1	thanks again	18:07
MrHairgreas1	gotta go now	18:07
MrHairgreas1	later	18:07
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teflond0n	is ^Navigation(tempname) the correct way to call a nav template?	18:12
teflond0n	or navigation menu rather	18:12
ckotil	ive always used ^AssetProxy	18:13
ckotil	not sure what the Navigation Macro does	18:13
MrHairgreas1	khenn: it works. The problem was me messing up	18:16
@khenn	cool	18:17
MrHairgreas1	there's a difference between unlink($configDirectory/$filename);	18:19
MrHairgreas1	and	18:19
MrHairgreas1	unlink("$configDirectory/$filename");	18:19
@khenn	yeah	18:20
MrHairgreas1	I couldn't understand those division by zero stuff in the logs =)	18:20
@khenn	1 is not a string	18:20
MrHairgreas1	anyway	18:20
MrHairgreas1	bart is complaining that I should go to the bar	18:20
MrHairgreas1	so i guess i'm gonna do just that =)	18:20
MrHairgreas1	later	18:21
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ckotil	anyone know the tmpl_var to access user profiling settings?	18:32
@khenn	there isn't one	18:32
@khenn	there's a macro	18:32
ckotil	ok	18:33
ckotil	thanks	18:33
@khenn	sure	18:33
ckotil	ah, thats too easy ;)	18:34
teflond0n	when linking to a menu and the url for the menu is themes/clean/menu but the asset id is cleannav what should go in ^AssetProxy(???)	18:36
ckotil	the url to the actual nav asset.	18:36
teflond0n	ok	18:36
teflond0n	should the url have the asset at the end of it?	18:37
ckotil	click edit on the nav asset. then copy whatever is in the url field	18:37
teflond0n	k	18:38
teflond0n	thats what i thought...	18:38
ckotil	Ive got a template expression. It seems that the macro doesnt get processed before the template expresion. is that correct?	18:45
ckotil	Do I need to have a scratch variable to hold the result of the macro before the expression?	18:46
ckotil	ah the problem seems to be webgui doesnt know about my new user profile field(s) yet	18:52
ckotil	i was using ' instead of " in the macro.	19:01
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perlDreamer	ckotil: you can make life easier with the upgrades by setting group permissions, ala g+s	19:13
perlDreamer	that way when you run the upgrade as root, the group permissions stay static and you don't	19:13
perlDreamer	have to chown the directories again	19:13
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ckotil	ah , thx for the tip pD	19:23
ckotil	<tmpl_if expr="('^User("GRNOCdocView");' eq 'SD')"> that is giving me problems. any one know a solution?	19:24
perlDreamer	template/macro order evaluation problem?	19:24
ckotil	it could be. but i think the problem is due to the use of "	19:25
perlDreamer	quotes should be optional for a single word argument	19:25
ckotil	oh, awsome. ill try it	19:25
ckotil	the template at least loaded this time without error.	19:27
ckotil	that did it.	19:29
ckotil	thanks	19:29
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perlDreamer	Okay, who wants to volunteer to run the failing test for me on PB's server, so that it can be fixed?	19:43
perlDreamer	WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/builds/nightly_2007-12-07/WebGUI/sbin/../etc/webguibuild.conf perl Storage/Image.t	19:46
perlDreamer	then paste the output into pastebin	19:47
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ckotil	heh	19:56
ckotil	rizen's out	19:56
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perlmonkey2	For the PB $20/month hosting, how much of the 500MB disk is left over for the user after install?	20:21
perlmonkey2	I've thought about hosting and why don't more hosted use distributed file systems for their hosting?	20:35
ckotil	how distributed are you talking?	20:36
perlmonkey2	just on the LAN, but there are FOSS tools for just slapping more machines on your network and to your server it looks like the local file system got larger.	20:36
ckotil	yup	20:37
ckotil	we use nfs	20:37
perlmonkey2	I was trying to figure out how Media Temple offered 100Gb for $20/month and it has to be a distributed file system.	20:37
perlmonkey2	probably have some optimized cheap MB/proc, 8 sata controllers and 8 500Gb drives per node on the DFS.	20:38
ckotil	that would work.	20:39
ckotil	we just bought a 4TB NAS from dell	20:39
ckotil	the dell powervault	20:39
ckotil	its reasonbly priced	20:39
ckotil	and we can expand it to 8TB	20:39
perlmonkey2	at $20/month that is $800/month for their ~$1000 node.	20:39
ckotil	wow. paid off in a month.	20:40
perlmonkey2	500GB are selling for $104 on newegg.	20:40
perlmonkey2	and since it is raid'd across your nodes, you don't do backups. Is there a raid solution that can lose/rebuild after a single failure?	20:41
ckotil	yes.	20:41
ckotil	raid5	20:42
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nuba	if you're rolling your own disk array then check lvm too	20:54
nuba	i've done a decent netapp lookalike with fibre channel, and raid5 on top of lvm2 :)	20:56
nuba	also you may want to check freenas	20:56
nuba	this one http://www.freenas.org/	20:56
wgGuest45	How do I remove 'home' from my page url?	20:57
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ckotil	does the lvm sacrifice performance?	21:16
nuba	of course any layer you add will increase overhead	21:18
nuba	however with lvm then you dont care about physical disks anymore	21:19
ckotil	righteous	21:19
ckotil	im using lvm on my RH5 machines.	21:20
ckotil	and with XEN	21:20
perlmonkey2	nuba: I've been running lvm for years. I never knew it was capable of creating volumns over a network.	21:20
* perlmonkey2 only runs LVM as most of his machine have 4-8 drives.		21:22
perlDreamer	ckotil: with all that virtualization, you better hope the NOC doesn't figure out a way to virtualize _you_	21:29
ckotil	;)	21:30
nuba	perlmonkey2: whoa, nice, i never knew you could do that until about now	21:30
ckotil	they need me too much.	21:30
ckotil	pd, i think i hit a brick wall with the order of operations thing regarding a macro inside a tmpl expr.	21:34
ckotil	you ever see that before?	21:35
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ckotil	http://tinyurl.com/2lqpqh jeopard from 2 nights ago	22:06
ckotil	+y	22:08
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ckotil	http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/12/02/microsoft_ad.jpg	23:08
@preaction_	that emo punk deserves it	23:09
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perlDreamer	ckotil: I got netsplit out of the channel. What problem are you having with templates and macros?	00:08
perlmonkey2	The WRE runs instead of Apache, right?	00:18
perlmonkey2	The WRE requires there not be a webserver already running?	00:18
@preaction_	in its normal configuration, yes	00:18
perlmonkey2	cool, thanks	00:19
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nuba	perlmonkey2> capable of creating volumns over a network	00:37
nuba	got some URL? I rechecked LVM2's docs and found nothing on that	00:38
nuba	i guess you confused LVM with something else	00:38
nuba	found a nice setup here: http://www.gridvm.org/drbd-lvm-gnbd-and-xen-for-free-and-reliable-san.html	00:45
perlmonkey2	I thought someone else was saying LVM can use drives over the network, I was just saying wow, I wasn't implying that it could.	00:45
nuba	ah ok. that'd be nice indeed.	00:47
nuba	when you said that i thought it would be something in the style of plan9	00:52
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CIA-40	WebGUI: doug * r5100 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fix: Auto Request Commit setting creates extra version tag if asset is commited by another process	01:18
CIA-40	WebGUI: doug * r5101 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): backport 5100 to 7.4 branch	01:18
@preaction	ONE ENTIRE WEEK TO FIND THAT BUG	01:21
perlDreamer	and it made the caps lock key stick on your keyboard, too	01:23
@preaction	no, that's me baby	01:23
@preaction	i'm irrationally exhuberent	01:23
@apeiron	s/h//	01:24
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perlDreamer	Good, now go buy some stock so it pumps up the price and I can sell and retire early	01:24
perlDreamer	and learn how to make pannenkoeken	01:24
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wgGuest82	How do I remove 'home' from the page url?	01:26
@preaction	update the page url to be what you want it to be using the asset edit page? or click "More" in the asset manager and choose "Change URL"?	01:27
nuba	i think he meant just dropping the 'home' in 'http://www.example.com/home'	01:31
wgGuest82	Yes	01:31
nuba	if thats the case then Settings->Content->Default Home Page is possibly what you're looking for	01:31
nuba	so if you go to 'http://www.example.com' you'll hit the default page	01:32
nuba	default setting is 'Home'	01:32
nuba	now, accessing 'http://www.example.com/home' will still work	01:33
nuba	if you have a problem with that, then i think things will get a bit more complicated	01:34
nuba	i'd solve it with a redirect rule in modproxy	01:35
nuba	well thats the first thing that comes to my mind, anyway you can ask for more ideas here if you want..	01:36
wgGuest82	It will have to be this other way, redirect rule in ModProxy	01:38
wgGuest82	I would like to know how to use a redirect in modproxy to change remove 'home' from the page url	01:40
@preaction	not a redirect, a rewrite rule, is there any special reason why you need to remove "home"?	01:41
wgGuest82	None. Just that I'm more familiar using a static site and more familiar with a folder structure of page url	01:43
@preaction	but "home" is the "home" asset under the root node "/"	01:44
nuba	preaction: yeah its a redirect: ^/home$ / [R]	01:44
nuba	the R flag will force an external redirection, with a HTTP code in the 300-400 range if you want (and default being 302) and all that	01:46
nuba	wgGuest82: you should really think about why is it that '/home' in the URL bothers you	01:50
nuba	'cause you can just ignore it, use the 'Default Home Page' setting, and build your website the way you are used to	01:52
wgGuest82	Ok. I will probably reconsider. From the looks of it I have one more issue that now seems more important. News style CS	01:58
wgGuest82	I've tried all the templates in the CS and none of them has a teaser with 'read more'	01:59
nuba	check the weblog one.	02:00
wgGuest82	It doesn't give me a teaser. It gives the full story and its not formatted /<p>	02:01
nuba	check the template variables for the CS	02:02
nuba	then copy the weblog template or any other that looks closer to what you want	02:04
nuba	and edit it	02:04
wgGuest82	In the WebGUI Designers Guide, I followed an example to create a News Brief template that works but they didn't put a synopsis; I did and the content repeats itself	02:04
nuba	i haven't seen the designers guide, can't help you with that one	02:04
nuba	but you should find what you need in the help	02:04
wgGuest82	The help wasn't explicit enough regarding synopsis	02:06
nuba	heh, maybe we need someone to get familiar with it then contribute back with some better wording for the help, then ;)	02:09
nuba	what about it?	02:09
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metanil	i change code in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm.	04:24
metanil	i intentionally put junk...	04:25
metanil	it didn't show any errors..	04:25
metanil	?	04:25
@preaction	you need to restart the webserver before any changes occur	04:25
@preaction	or you need to use Apache2::SizeLimit	04:25
metanil	yaa.. already restart mod_proxy	04:25
metanil	yaa.. already restarted mod_proxy	04:26
@preaction	that's not the server that loads webgui	04:26
metanil	from WRE	04:26
metanil	oops!	04:26
metanil	then?	04:26
@preaction	the other oen	04:26
metanil	actually from the WebGUI page its not working .. because its not showing page....(cause i put junk) .. but it didn't show any errors.. in modproxy.error.log	04:27
metanil	did i missed something?	04:27
@preaction	once again, the mod_proxy instance does not do anything with WebGUI itself	04:28
@preaction	two better places to look: webgui.log modperl.error.log	04:28
metanil	oh!.. got it.. i found it in webgui.log	04:30
metanil	thanks preaction	04:31
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CIA-40	WebGUI: doug * r5102 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/www/extras/ (4 files in 2 dirs): a weeks worth of changes	11:18
CIA-40	WebGUI: doug * r5103 /branch/photogallery/WebGUI/www/extras/yui-carousel/ (carousel-min.js carousel_min.js): added carousel	11:18
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:25
ckotil	Good Morning	16:26
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teflond0n	anyone here worked with the weather function much?	21:49
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perlDreamer	teflond0n: what's your question?	22:51
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teflond0n	all I get is the ^AssetProxy(weather); when I try to get it to show... is there anything different I need to do with weathers macro?	23:07
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perlDreamer	boy, it gets quiet in here in December	01:21
@preaction_	indeed	01:22
perlDreamer	feeling the urge to merge?	01:22
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@preaction_	not yet, this weekend it'll happen, or friday if i'm quick	01:23
@preaction_	i've got another feature i need to add: packages in the upgrade script (i'm sick of using those ".tmpl" files and not being able to add images, snippets, etc...)	01:23
perlDreamer	cool	01:24
perlDreamer	I think I'm going to have to use Perl::Critic guts (_privateFunctions) in order to finish the label checker	01:24
perlDreamer	and I'm hoping that the main loop is safely reentrant	01:24
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ckotil	does the wiki asset only display the option to add content after your search comes up empty?	15:50
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:11
ckotil	Good Morning.	16:13
SDuensin	Did I say "good"? :-P	16:15
ckotil	you're right. its OK	16:25
ckotil	and only tuesday!	16:25
ckotil	im anxiously awaiting friday.	16:25
ckotil	im taking a road trip to the rocky mountains for a little over a week	16:25
ckotil	they are getting hammered with snow right now!	16:25
ckotil	can you limit access to who can edit content profilings?	16:26
ckotil	im tagging all my assets to create custom views and searches.	16:26
ckotil	i can see i could get burned if anyone can change the new tag.	16:27
ckotil	woah! 2 new tabs on plainblack.com	16:29
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perlDreamer	rizen: ping	18:39
perlDreamer	got a bug question for you	18:39
perlDreamer	is Asset/fixUrl supposed to truncate to 220 characters long, or remove the first 220 characters?	18:39
@rizen	truncate to 220	18:39
perlDreamer	bug fix in 15 minutes then :)	18:40
@rizen	k	18:40
@rizen	i can't believe i screwed that up	18:40
@rizen	that means it's been broken forever	18:40
perlDreamer	who uses 250 character URLs?	18:40
@rizen	but i guess, how often do you get that big of url	18:40
@rizen	yeah	18:40
@rizen	i hope to have something super cool to show you by the end of the week	18:41
@rizen	a little side project i've been working on that i needed for an internal plain black project	18:41
perlDreamer	I have a Christmas shopping date with Kathy on Friday, but I'll be sure to be online that evening, and a little over the weekend.	18:42
@rizen	well i may have it by tomorrow	18:42
@rizen	it just depends on how things go	18:42
@rizen	and it can wait until next week if needs be	18:42
@rizen	it's not that big of deal	18:42
@rizen	i just think that there are some in our little community that are going to flip their hats once they realize what it does	18:42
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5104 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset/Asset.t): correct truncation in fixUrl, add a test for future coverage	18:48
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5105 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): forward porting fixUrl bugfix and test	18:48
ckotil	are you gonna keep it entirely under wraps?	18:48
@rizen	yup	18:50
@rizen	until i merge it into svn	18:50
@rizen	then i'll do a black blog post about it	18:50
perlDreamer	Hey, at least he isn't making us wait until Christmas to find out	18:51
ckotil	true	19:02
@rizen	pd, i may have hinted or told you a little about it in a previous conversation	19:02
@rizen	back when i first started working on it	19:02
@rizen	but things have come up so i haven't finished it for about 3 weeks	19:03
@rizen	when it should have only been a days work	19:03
perlDreamer	I'm drawing a blank, but I've also worked on 4 chips over the last several weeks so I'm a little scattered.	19:09
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perlDreamer	In other news, I got the Perl::Critic policy up and working.	19:40
perlDreamer	It's functionally equivalent to t/i18n/label.t	19:40
perlDreamer	Adding the scope will require some extra code, and using private Perl::Critic functions	19:40
perlDreamer	but I don't think that's a problem	19:40
perlDreamer	The bummer is that Perl::Critic/PPI seems to be dog slow	19:41
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ckotil	do init scripts ship with the wre?	20:03
ckotil	init scripts for spectre.	20:03
ckotil	found it	20:06
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SDuensin	http://forum.exler.ru/uploads/110/post-1192135721.jpg	20:58
@apeiron	Wow, that's apparently from MSVC6.0.	21:05
* perlDreamer gives an evil chuckle		21:05
SDuensin	:-)	21:08
perlDreamer	well, i write most of the tests, so that probably make _me_ a maintenance programmer	21:08
perlDreamer	Fortunately for y'all, my chainsaw is broken	21:09
perlDreamer	and my axes are very dull	21:09
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CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5106 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): fix a bug where secondary admins could add users to any groups, as opposed to only the groups that the admin belongs to	23:18
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5107 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/User.pm): forward porting secondary admin group access privileges when creating users	23:18
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perlDreamer	I could use a second opinion on some Asset.pm code (fixUrl). Anyone have 5 minutes?	23:38
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perlDreamer	I could use a second opinion on some Asset.pm code (fixUrl). Anyone have 5 minutes?	23:42
@rizen	sure what's up	23:43
perlDreamer	If extrasURL or uploadsURL starts with http:, fixUrl looks like it wants to strip off http:/	23:43
perlDreamer	unfortunately, it won't strip off http://sitename:port/	23:43
perlDreamer	which is what I think it really wants to do	23:44
perlDreamer	Asset.pm, line 555	23:44
@rizen	fixUrl shouldn't have anyting to do with extras or uploads	23:44
@rizen	it's only on assets	23:44
perlDreamer	it also checks to see if the submitted URL is like the extrasURL or uploadsURL	23:44
perlDreamer	if so, then it prepends a _ to it	23:45
@rizen	i see that now	23:46
@rizen	it should also be checking against passthru urls	23:46
@rizen	so what is the second opinion you're looking for?	23:47
@rizen	what's your opinion, in other words?	23:47
perlDreamer	well, if the extrasURL is http://mysite/extras	23:48
perlDreamer	$badUrl will end up being mysite/extras	23:48
perlDreamer	I think it should be just extras	23:48
perlDreamer	so the sitename (and optionally port) should be removed, too	23:49
perlDreamer	(and I'll add passthru urls to the list of badUrls)	23:49
@rizen	i agree	23:50
@rizen	it seems like you didn't really need a second opinion there	23:50
@rizen	=)	23:50
perlDreamer	No, but when the code is very very specific it makes me doubt	23:51
perlDreamer	and I'll write tests to verify stuff before hacking	23:51
perlDreamer	maybe that regexp is greedier than I'm thinking	23:52
perlDreamer	It is!	23:52
@rizen	btw, while you're in there feel free to add more comments to stuff	23:53
@rizen	i commented the hell out of it the last time i was in there as you can see	23:53
@rizen	but maybe it needs even more	23:53
perlDreamer	No, I need to go back and study Jeff Friedl's book again	23:54
perlDreamer	.* is greedy	23:54
perlDreamer	very greedy	23:54
@rizen	yes it is	23:57
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perlDreamer	I'm going to post some more questions to the dev list	00:03
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@rizen	responded	00:21
perlDreamer	muchas gracias, jefe	00:26
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perlDreamer	welcome wgGuest86	00:35
perlDreamer	Please ask your questions	00:35
perlDreamer	You don't need to ask to ask questions	00:35
wgGuest86	hello, someone knows how to synchronize the authentications of the webGUI with LDAP?	00:38
wgGuest86	as I make a new module auth?	00:42
perlDreamer	I think WebGUI already handles LDAP, but I've never played with it myself	00:42
perlDreamer	have you looked in the Wiki, and on the discussion boards at webgui.org?	00:42
wgGuest86	I need that when a user register into WebGUI is reflected in LDAP	00:51
perlDreamer	again, I'm not very familiar with using LDAP in WebGUI, but I think there is a workflow that does that	00:52
perlDreamer	maybe it only works on existing users in LDAP	00:52
wgGuest86	I used LDAP with WebGUI and I found that works with users who are registered LDAP, but I need to be reversed	00:56
perlDreamer	offhand I'd say that it's not supported right now, then.	00:59
perlDreamer	that would take a custom workflow to upgrade the LDAP from the WebGUI database then, as you originally suggested	01:01
wgGuest86	as I make a new module auth?	01:01
perlDreamer	that should work, but it would allow anyone who can see the site to create an LDAP profile for themselves.	01:02
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5108 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: Documented a regexp in Session/Url.pm	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: Add passthruUrls to the list of URLs that are changed by fixUrl.	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: Wrote a bunch of POD for fixUrl	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: Changed the regular expressions related to badUrl so they don't need to copy the data. This	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: will speed them up.	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: Fixed a bug where trailing slashes would defeat the badUrl check.	01:03
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5109 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (3 files in 3 dirs): backporting fixUrl changes/tests from HEAD	01:03
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@apeiron	Ooh. Perl 5.10 scheduled for 12/18/2007.	01:06
@apeiron	http://xrl.us/bcnsv	01:06
perlDreamer	w00t!	01:07
perlDreamer	wait a second	01:07
perlDreamer	it's a hoax	01:07
perlDreamer	has to be	01:07
perlDreamer	that's 1 week before Christmas	01:07
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perlDreamer	nope, not a hoax	01:25
perlDreamer	It will be on Dec 18th	01:25
perlDreamer	The 20th anniversary of Perl	01:25
@rizen	pd are you coming to oscon?	01:27
perlDreamer	I think so	01:29
perlDreamer	like 85% sure	01:29
@rizen	as it gets closer	01:30
@rizen	i'd like to spend an hour with you brainstorming some stuff we could do at oscon	01:30
perlDreamer	not a problem	01:30
@rizen	i want to get the most out of the $15k that i'm putting into it	01:30
@khenn	http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane	01:37
@khenn	for anyone wondering what is coming in perl 5.10	01:37
@khenn	it's supposed to be backward compatible with 5.8	01:37
@apeiron	Where's the perl-510-for-people-who-are-totally-insane ?	01:38
@khenn	those would be the whitepapers	01:39
@khenn	have fun	01:39
@rizen	say $what	01:39
@rizen	hehe, i love that	01:39
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@rizen	fuck fuck fuck fuck shit shit fuck	01:50
@rizen	we can't use perl 5.10	01:50
@rizen	well we can use it, but we can't use any of the new features	01:50
@rizen	because webgui only requires 5.8	01:50
@rizen	so i can't	01:50
@rizen	say $what	01:50
knowmad	$]=~/5.10/?say $what:print $what	01:54
knowmad	see, you can still say $what	01:55
@rizen	but i can't do if ( $foo ~~ $bar)	01:55
knowmad	well, that's true	01:55
@rizen	and also, won't that "say" be flagged by the compiler?	01:55
knowmad	but you didn't ask about that earlier	01:56
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knowmad	you'd think so but it wasn't when i ran it from cmd line	01:56
knowmad	i wasn't using strict	01:56
@rizen	wierd	01:56
knowmad	perl -le '$what="Hello";$]=~/5.10/?say $what:print $what'	01:56
@rizen	so you think i should share the commerce specs when they're done, eh?	01:57
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knowmad	well, i agree with your points you made in reply	01:57
@rizen	who's going to protect me from fathertorque and ehab	01:57
knowmad	but, i would like to see them	01:57
@rizen	or rather, them from me	01:57
knowmad	:)	01:57
knowmad	i agree that you shouldn't open the discussion	01:57
perlDreamer	Perl6::Say module :)	01:58
perlDreamer	works in 5.8	01:58
knowmad	too much effort to manage it; look how long it's taking Perl6 to evolve	01:58
perlDreamer	not needed in 5.10	01:58
@rizen	don't make me kick you in the nuts pd	01:58
knowmad	perlDreamer: sweet!	01:58
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knowmad	i would like to read the specs	01:59
SDuensin	Good evening!	01:59
knowmad	and this time i promise not to say anything unless i have time to implement my suggestion	01:59
@rizen	we'll see	01:59
@rizen	so far i can't wrap my head around it enough to write them	02:00
knowmad	i can only imagine	02:00
@rizen	it's becoming so big that i can't fit it all in my head at once	02:00
knowmad	ecommerce is one of my least favorite projects	02:00
@rizen	which hasn't happened to me since i was trying to figure out how to make lineage work	02:00
@rizen	before i came up with lineage	02:00
knowmad	from what i've understood of it so far, it's a damn nice solution	02:01
knowmad	here's to a repeat performance	02:01
perlDreamer	amen	02:01
knowmad	so you guys are putting on a dog and pony show at OSCon this year, eh? i was very happy to see the list of places you'll be showing off the wares in '08	02:02
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@rizen	yeah, new features and products aren't really our focus this year	02:03
@rizen	it's really all about getting the word out	02:03
perlDreamer	say $word_out	02:03
knowmad	i think that's a good thing. speak of which, do you know how are the white papers coming?	02:03
@rizen	white papers? did someone say something about white papers?	02:03
knowmad	we could pull in our PR firm (that we're overpaying right now!) to help out	02:04
knowmad	yeah, i'm drawing a blank on the name.... who'd you hire recently for helping you with marketing?	02:04
perlDreamer	Tavis	02:04
@rizen	we wrote one, but it's not ready for prime time as my writer is prego and going to pop any day now	02:04
knowmad	ah! thanks. yes, Tavis mentioned it at the WUC	02:04
knowmad	that definitely takes precedence	02:05
@rizen	Tavis is in charge of marketing, but kristi does all of our writing	02:05
@rizen	so knowmad, what do you think of the black blog? is it necessary? is it a good thing? cuz it's one of those things that every monday i wrack my brain about what to put into it	02:06
@rizen	so i'm wondering if i should keep it going or not	02:07
knowmad	definitely! i ready it every week	02:07
knowmad	i think it creates a good forum for you outside of the webgui.org support forums which you don't (and shouldn't) be participating in regularly (except the dev list, of course)	02:08
@rizen	well see, that's kind of the thing i'm thinking about	02:08
@rizen	normally this stuff would have just been posted to the dev list	02:09
knowmad	it sets you apart as the WebGUI expert, which you are	02:09
@rizen	the only good think i can see about keeping it separate is that it frees me to talk about non-dev related things	02:09
knowmad	i think a separate arena is more appropriate for these big vision talks	02:09
@rizen	i don't know how big the vision was this week. =)	02:10
@rizen	it was just me ranting about my brain hurting	02:10
knowmad	i find it very important for understanding what you're thinking and where you're leading your company (and thus those of us who ride on your coattails)	02:10
knowmad	well, some weeks are a bit more interesting than others but i didn't know you were contemplating ecommerce this past week until i read the blog	02:10
knowmad	that's why it's important	02:11
@rizen	it seems that you and koen like it for the same reasons	02:12
knowmad	yeah, to make sure you haven't jumped off the deep end yet :-P	02:12
@rizen	for years he's been saying that people need to be let in on what i'm thinking	02:12
perlDreamer	transparency is a good thing	02:12
perlDreamer	until it drives you crazy	02:12
@rizen	it mainly drives me crazy because i don't think what i'm thinking is all that interesting	02:13
@rizen	=)	02:13
knowmad	yeah, which is why i agree with him that opening up the commerce spec to discussion would make one crazy	02:13
@rizen	therefore it's hard for me to know what to post that will be interesting to you guys	02:13
knowmad	you're thinking too hard; just keep ranting and you'll be doing fine	02:13
@rizen	also, there's a lot of stuff that i can't talk about	02:13
perlDreamer	Use your page hits to tell you what people are interested in	02:13
@rizen	stuff that if made public, it would be too soon, and people would be bugging me about it	02:14
knowmad	yeah, that's ashame as i'm sure it's really cool stuff	02:14
knowmad	but that's always the case	02:14
knowmad	hey, i've gotta go feed the doggies; ya'll have a good evening	02:15
perlDreamer	good night, knowmad	02:15
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@rizen	night	02:15
perlDreamer	xtopher is cranking out the bugs	02:16
@rizen	we have a staff bugfix day on thursday	02:17
@rizen	should be able to close out most of the list	02:17
perlDreamer	is that before the .18 release?	02:17
@rizen	probably	02:17
@rizen	even though graham is supposed to release stuff on wednesday mornings	02:18
@rizen	he never seems to do it until just before midnight	02:18
@rizen	=)	02:18
perlDreamer	It's gotta be Wednesday somewhere :)	02:18
@rizen	i keep telling him to do it in the morning, but he's always like, "i can fix one more bug"	02:18
@rizen	and then it's 11:59 when the release comes out	02:18
@rizen	i only see one xtopher bug on the lsit	02:20
@rizen	have you been closing xtopher bugs?	02:20
perlDreamer	Yes, after fixing them	02:21
@rizen	that's what i meant	02:21
perlDreamer	I've been very tempted to close the bug that seems to be an RFE	02:22
perlDreamer	having to do with Workflow return values	02:22
perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/fatal-error-status-return-from-workflow-activity-plugin-modules#wtrfkN6O8V_sDkjxZxRkIA	02:23
@rizen	yeah already reading it	02:23
@rizen	i hadn't realized they posted that as a bug	02:23
perlDreamer	It's an RFE, right?	02:24
perlDreamer	We want it to do this, it doesn't do it now.	02:24
@rizen	it is an RFE and he's also confused about what i said	02:24
@rizen	i'll respond to him	02:24
@rizen	closed	02:27
@rizen	man i hate having the same conversation 50 times with people	02:27
perlDreamer	well, I can see xtopher's no URL extension bug http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/url-extensions#TpBDbtGnQfno6yHLBaCG8A	02:33
perlDreamer	part of the problem is the Asset->update is called 4 times when creating an Asset	02:33
perlDreamer	but the fix is going to have to wait until later	02:34
perlDreamer	cuz I gotta scoot	02:34
@rizen	later	02:35
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+perlDreamer	I still can't believe that asset->update gets called four times when the asset is created	05:41
+perlDreamer	seems overkill	05:41
+perlDreamer	and slow	05:41
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+perlDreamer	3 bugs down	07:45
+perlDreamer	time to go back to test writing	07:45
+perlDreamer	well, until tomorrow anyway	07:45
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5110 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): fix a bug where url extensions were no longer being added to Asset urls on creation	07:48
CIA-40	WebGUI: colin * r5111 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): forward porting url extension bugfix from branch	07:48
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SDuensin	Morning all.	15:59
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perlDreamer	morning, folks	18:38
@rizen	is it?	18:50
@rizen	still morning i mean	18:50
perlmonkey2	google webgui "show performance" and look at the second return. How did that happen?	18:58
perlmonkey2	Google crawled a protected admin page.	18:58
perlDreamer	It is in Oregon :)	18:58
perlmonkey2	Looks like a horribly misconfigured instance though.	18:58
perlmonkey2	http://www.cameronbaptist.com/home/events?op=viewHelp;hid=settings;namespace=WebGUI is what I'm talking about.	18:59
perlDreamer	The Help is publicly available	18:59
ckotil	whats this show performance?	19:00
perlDreamer	Oh, it's kind of like debug mode	19:00
perlDreamer	It's like a WebGUI stack trace for a page	19:00
perlDreamer	with times for each subroutine call	19:00
ckotil	ah.	19:00
ckotil	neat.	19:00
@rizen	it's actualy called "performance indicators"	19:00
perlmonkey2	ckotil: useful for seeing how fast your machine can render a page.	19:00
perlmonkey2	I think you just add up all the timed assets for total page time?	19:01
perlDreamer	It should provide a sum	19:01
@rizen	and it's useful especially for figuring out which components on your page are rendering slowly	19:01
perlDreamer	and, iirc, it's also sortable	19:01
perlmonkey2	it is strange, when I log in components are created much faster it seems.	19:01
perlDreamer	Maybe your cache is slow	19:02
perlDreamer	but I did notice that the Visitor account on pb.com is usually cached 1 week old, or older	19:02
ckotil	http://globalnoc.iu.edu/?op=viewHelp;hid=settings;namespace=WebGUI heh, mines public too.	19:02
ckotil	so only way for google to get to it would be for someone to link to it.	19:02
@preaction	iirc in 7.4 you can change that using the Settings pane under Permissions	19:03
@preaction	(what group is allowed to view Help)	19:03
perlDreamer	what does it default to?	19:03
ckotil	Everyone	19:03
ckotil	i like this permissions tab in settings.	19:03
@preaction	they all default to how it was before the permissions tab was added	19:04
perlDreamer	nice	19:04
@preaction	which is why there's the weird permissions for Users and Groups (Secondary Admins are a fuzzy kind of group)	19:05
perlmonkey2	I never realized how fast WebGUI was until I saw that speed asset.	19:07
perlmonkey2	on my 2.8GHz test server the default home page is .06 seconds.	19:07
perlmonkey2	Logged out, it is .05.	19:08
@rizen	one can never have too much speed	19:08
@rizen	at least as far as websites are concerned	19:08
perlmonkey2	even after clearing the cache it was .23 seconds.....still blazing fast.	19:09
@preaction	those're just articles though, get some weight to it: add a few collab systems, a calendar with a few hundred events, etc...	19:09
ckotil	do you have to have the wre to enable these performance tests?	19:21
perlDreamer	no	19:21
perlDreamer	"But you have to ask nicely"	19:21
ckotil	is there a write up about it anywehre?	19:21
perlDreamer	You can have all the performance indicators you want	19:22
perlDreamer	You do believe that I'm here to help you get performance indicators you want	19:22
perlDreamer	You do believe that, right?	19:22
ckotil	I believe	19:22
ckotil	I BELIVE	19:22
@rizen	i belittle	19:22
perlDreamer	I quote jack nicholson	19:22
ckotil	search asset is supposed to match strings as short as 2 characters right?	19:24
perlDreamer	I think that may be with WRE 0.81	19:26
perlDreamer	if you're using the system MySQL, the limits will probably be different	19:26
ckotil	damn	19:26
@rizen	it either requires wre 0.81 or a tweak to your mysql config	19:27
@rizen	and a restart of mysql	19:27
ckotil	ok cool.	19:27
ckotil	thanks.	19:27
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perlDreamer	wh yd oy ou wa nt to se ar ch 2l et te rw or ds ??	19:29
ckotil	one of my new asset metaDataFeilds. is 2 charachters	19:29
ckotil	im trying to search by that new field.	19:29
ckotil	ive already indexed the site with the fields added to the keywords.	19:29
ckotil	field* rather.	19:30
ckotil	that fixed it ;)	19:41
ckotil	thanks.	19:41
ckotil	but the results arent as clean as I'd hope.	19:41
ckotil	ideally i would hack up the search asset to search a new row in assetIndex.	19:41
ckotil	that proved difficult.	19:42
ckotil	lunch.	19:43
ckotil	hrm, a select * from assetIndex where assetIndex.newRow = '<TAG>'; seems a lot more efficient than simply tossing <TAG> into assetIndex.keywords.	21:18
ckotil	your thoughts?	21:18
perlDreamer	celery tastes bad, no matter what you put on it	22:44
ckotil	i like it with hot wings. cools down the mouth.	22:45
perlDreamer	I thought that's what beer was for ;)	22:45
perlDreamer	but if you'd prefer celery, more power to you	22:46
ckotil	some hotness beer cannot quench	22:46
perlmonkey2	celery covered in penut butter and honey tastes okay	23:47
perlmonkey2	until you taste the celery	23:48
@rizen	celery rocks	23:48
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steveo_aam	I have a question about asset ranking in the asset manager. How can the assets be reordered (re-ranked)?	23:50
@rizen	just drag on the rank number of any asset you want to move	23:51
@rizen	you can also use the promote and demote links	23:51
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metanil	ok .. here is ubuntu related questions	23:54
metanil	i put the wreconsole in startup..	23:55
metanil	it did start (ps aux shows it)	23:55
metanil	but i cannot browse it	23:55
@rizen	your firewall is likely blocking it	23:56
metanil	-A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW -m tcp --dport 60834 -j ACCEPT	23:56
metanil	i already did opened it.	23:57
@rizen	try getting to it from the command line with links, lynx, wget, or curl	23:57
@rizen	curl http://localhost:60834/	23:57
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perlmonkey2	If I'm not running apache, then the WRE should just work ?	00:02
@rizen	and mysql	00:03
perlmonkey2	groovy	00:03
@rizen	pm2, how's the survey stuff coming along?	00:04
perlmonkey2	Instead of drag and drop to connect responses to the question that should come after them,	00:04
metanil	while doing ps aux it will show	00:04
metanil	root 3637 0.1 0.0 0 0 ? Zs 15:45 0:01 [wremonitor.pl] <defunct>	00:04
@rizen	that's wremonitor	00:05
perlmonkey2	how would it be if the questions defaulted to the next question but if clicked on had a pop-up div to enter in the question they wanted teh survey to fork to?	00:05
@rizen	not wreconsole.pl	00:05
@rizen	is that an option your peeps want?	00:05
perlmonkey2	How much ram does the WRE use up? I usually see apache using about 300meg under default RH settings	00:05
perlmonkey2	rizen well they want the survey to be forkable, but your original specs had drag and drop	00:05
perlmonkey2	but drag and drop is kind of complex.	00:06
@rizen	wre will use as much as you let it use, but it can be tweaked to use very little if you prefer	00:06
@rizen	well a drop down is fine if you can't make the drag and drop work	00:06
@rizen	at least for forking	00:06
@rizen	i'd still like drag and drop for ordering of questions	00:06
perlmonkey2	The problem is scaling things.	00:07
perlmonkey2	after a 50 or so questions we'll be out of canvas on a screen.	00:07
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@rizen	right, but then you can scroll it	00:07
perlmonkey2	I guess dragging the mouse to the top of the div could autoscroll?	00:07
@rizen	just like we do with the drag and drop asset possitioning	00:07
@rizen	yup	00:07
perlmonkey2	rizen: is that a YUI feature or just a bit of code tha tlooks for a mouse event at the top or bottom of the div?	00:08
@rizen	the drag and drop content positioning is old code. it existed way before yui was even some yahoo developer's wet dream	00:08
@rizen	but, my guess is that yui has a way to do it	00:08
@rizen	or you could use the same trick with yui, just stealing a bit of code from draggable.js	00:09
+MrHairgrease	it does autoscroll	00:10
perlmonkey2	well, it is all coming together so it shouldn't be that hard to add in the drag and drop. dragging a question will place it between the dropped question, dragging an answer will either reorder it if dropped on a same question answer, or fork the survey if dropped on another question.	00:10
+MrHairgrease	just check out any of the examples	00:10
metanil	i think wre is not using too much memory.. if i ran it manaully	00:12
metanil	.. the problem only occurs when using that script at startup	00:12
metanil	is there any particular way of starting the wreconsole at startup???	00:17
metanil	i created a simple shell script which run wreconsole.pl.. but its seems like its not working.	00:17
perlmonkey2	rizen: Ah, when you said mysql, you meant I needed to have mysql turned off. The WRE uses 80, 443, and 3306?	00:17
@rizen	metanil, you should not leave wreconsole.pl running	00:17
@rizen	it was never intended to always run	00:17
perlmonkey2	Wow, the WRE is incredible.	00:17
@rizen	yes	00:18
@rizen	turned off	00:18
@rizen	pm2, what makes you say that...i mean i think so too, i just want to know why you do	00:18
perlmonkey2	Bundling all that software together in a pretuned package with binaries for almost any modern OS, is quite a feet. It makes installing and using WebGUI extremely simple.	00:20
metanil	rizen.. why it is not good to leave wreconsole.pl running???	00:20
@rizen	it is quite a feet (if i can say that without tooting my own horn too much)	00:20
@rizen	s/feet/feat/	00:20
perlmonkey2	:)	00:20
@rizen	metanil: for one it's not secured at all, and for another it was never tested to run forever	00:20
@rizen	my goal though with the WRE was to make administering all that software easy	00:21
@rizen	do you think i achieved that goal?	00:21
metanil	whats the solution then? using separate apache and mysql configure for WebGUI??	00:21
@rizen	metanil you don't need weconsole.pl to start the services	00:22
@rizen	wreservice.pl does that	00:22
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@rizen	from the command line	00:22
@rizen	and that's what you should use	00:22
wgGuest06	hello all	00:22
@rizen	and for a few operating systems, there are system scripts that are already writen for that	00:22
@rizen	in the /data/wre/sbin/services folder	00:22
wgGuest06	i have a question related with sql reports	00:23
wgGuest06	i want to use the placeholders getting the value from a dataform	00:23
metanil	o o..	00:24
metanil	hmmm	00:24
wgGuest06	i have a data form with one field. the type of it is date	00:24
wgGuest06	i want to add a date and that value will be the parameter to execute the query in the sql report	00:25
wgGuest06	how can i get it?	00:25
+MrHairgrease	if you pass the date through a form post	00:26
+MrHairgrease	in variable dateVar	00:26
+MrHairgrease	use form:dateVar in the placeholder fiedl in the sql report	00:26
+MrHairgrease	and a question mark in the actual query where that data should come	00:27
wgGuest06	ok	00:27
+MrHairgrease	the question mark will be replaced with whatever value that is passed through the dateVer form variable	00:27
wgGuest06	if I have many entris in the dataform the query will be executed with the last value added in the dataform?	00:28
+MrHairgrease	i'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish	00:29
+MrHairgrease	you are trying to fetch data from a dataform by using an sql query right?	00:30
wgGuest06	yes	00:30
+MrHairgrease	more specifically match a data form record by a date you pass through a form post?	00:31
wgGuest06	how will be the process?	00:32
wgGuest06	i add a value in the data form, when I press the save botton I will be redirect to the data form, or the value will be stored and the sql report get the last parameter added in it	00:33
+MrHairgrease	i don't understand	00:34
+MrHairgrease	how are the data form and the sqlreport connected?	00:34
wgGuest06	yes	00:35
+MrHairgrease	it wasn't a yes/no question =)	00:35
+MrHairgrease	it was a how question	00:35
wgGuest06	i don't know how are the data form and the sqlreport connected	00:36
+MrHairgrease	they aren't	00:37
wgGuest06	do you know?	00:37
+MrHairgrease	the sql report just gives you the possibility to execute sql queries against a database	00:37
+MrHairgrease	and lay out the result set	00:37
+MrHairgrease	there's no built in connection between the sql report and any other asset	00:38
+MrHairgrease	you can do a query to the webgui database however	00:38
+MrHairgrease	i'm still not sure what you're trying to accomplish with the sql report	00:38
+MrHairgrease	but	00:38
wgGuest06	for example	00:39
+MrHairgrease	you can get data out of a dataform by doing a query against the DataForm_entryData table	00:39
wgGuest06	i want to generate a report where i can see the pages viewed by a user in a specific date	00:41
+MrHairgrease	i don't think webgui keeps track of that	00:42
+MrHairgrease	you should use aw stats or something like that i guess	00:42
+MrHairgrease	aw stats is included in the wre btw	00:42
wgGuest06	but the date is the parameter to execute the query	00:42
+MrHairgrease	sure	00:43
+MrHairgrease	but you have to compare it to something in the db	00:43
+MrHairgrease	and i think webgui doesn't keeps a record of who views which page when	00:43
+MrHairgrease	but you should ask rizen if you want to be completely sure	00:44
+MrHairgrease	coming to think of it	00:44
+MrHairgrease	i think webgui did have a page view log	00:45
+MrHairgrease	way back in the 5.x series	00:45
+MrHairgrease	but it turned out to eat immense amounts of disk and (iirc) also imapacted performance	00:45
+MrHairgrease	which is why it has been removed	00:45
wgGuest06	there is a table called passiveProfileLog that has a record for every wobject viewed by a user	00:46
+MrHairgrease	ah	00:46
wgGuest06	using that table and other tables i can generate the report	00:46
+MrHairgrease	ok	00:47
+MrHairgrease	i never used passive profiling so i'm not quite sure how it works	00:47
+MrHairgrease	but if it does the job for you =)	00:47
+MrHairgrease	but what do you need the dataform for then?	00:47
+MrHairgrease	you'll need to match the dateOfEntry column	00:48
+MrHairgrease	something like	00:48
wgGuest06	in that table i need to filter the pages viewed by the users in a specific date	00:48
wgGuest06	yes	00:49
wgGuest06	i need to match that column	00:49
+MrHairgrease	select ... from passiveProfileLog where dateOfEntry = to_unixtime(?)	00:49
wgGuest06	exactly	00:49
+MrHairgrease	and add a form input field to your sql report template called dateVar	00:50
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+MrHairgrease	and put form:dateVar in the placeholder field	00:50
+MrHairgrease	I don't think you'll need a data form	00:51
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wgGuest06	in the sql report template?	00:52
+MrHairgrease	or wherever you like it	00:52
+MrHairgrease	as long as the action of the form containing it points to the sql report's url	00:52
wgGuest06	ok	00:54
wgGuest06	can i modify the action in a data form	00:54
wgGuest06	?	00:54
+MrHairgrease	do not use a dataform	00:55
+MrHairgrease	you won't need it	00:55
wgGuest06	ok	00:55
+MrHairgrease	a dataform asset is used to stored data in the db	00:55
+MrHairgrease	you don't want that	00:55
wgGuest06	ok	00:55
+MrHairgrease	you just want to pass in a value to put in the where clause of an sql query	00:55
wgGuest06	yes	00:56
wgGuest06	i can create my own form	00:56
+MrHairgrease	yes	00:56
+MrHairgrease	that is what you should do	00:56
wgGuest06	ok	00:56
wgGuest06	thanks	00:57
wgGuest06	for your	00:57
wgGuest06	help	00:57
+MrHairgrease	sure	00:57
+MrHairgrease	good luck	00:57
wgGuest06	bye	00:57
+MrHairgrease	later	00:57
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metanil	hello	01:09
metanil	how do i copy a folder in asset (Import Node) to new folder	01:09
metanil	?	01:09
+MrHairgrease	in the asset manager	01:09
metanil	now, i am doing manually copying folder first.. then add all the files within it..	01:09
metanil	yes	01:09
+MrHairgrease	click on more and the select copy	01:09
metanil	while copying .. it will append (copy) in its name	01:10
metanil	can i get rid of that.?	01:10
+MrHairgrease	just edit the copied asset	01:10
+MrHairgrease	after pasting it somewhere	01:10
metanil	i have to do all 40 files withing that folder right?	01:11
+MrHairgrease	oh you want to copy recursively?	01:12
metanil	yep :D	01:12
+MrHairgrease	i think recent versions of webgui can do that	01:12
metanil	i do have recent version (i guess)	01:12
+MrHairgrease	not through the assdet manager though (i think)	01:12
+MrHairgrease	ok	01:12
+MrHairgrease	do this	01:12
+MrHairgrease	make sure admin is on	01:12
metanil	ok	01:12
+MrHairgrease	browse to the parent of the folder you want to copy	01:12
metanil	ok	01:13
+MrHairgrease	if you are still in the asset manager click on the back to site link	01:13
+MrHairgrease	now you'll see you folder with a copy button in front of it	01:13
+MrHairgrease	click that button and a menu should pop up	01:13
+MrHairgrease	slect the recursive option from that menu	01:13
+MrHairgrease	that should do the trick	01:14
metanil	it didn't see that	01:14
+MrHairgrease	that should work in 7.4.2	01:14
+MrHairgrease	what don't you see?	01:15
+MrHairgrease	the copy button or the menu?	01:15
metanil	its in root > Import Node folder	01:15
+MrHairgrease	oh crap	01:15
+MrHairgrease	my bad	01:15
metanil	i guess we can only browse from root > Home	01:16
+MrHairgrease	navigate into the folder	01:16
metanil	ok	01:16
+MrHairgrease	then you'll see the edit/copy/cut buttons at the top of the page	01:16
+MrHairgrease	next to the folder icon	01:16
metanil	ya	01:16
+MrHairgrease	use that copy	01:16
metanil	ya after getting inside into that folder i see those options	01:17
+MrHairgrease	use the with descendants option	01:17
+MrHairgrease	that'll do it recusrively	01:17
metanil	i guess i missed something here	01:18
metanil	i don't see any edit/copy/cut buttons next ot the folder icon	01:19
+MrHairgrease	ok, imagine this	01:19
metanil	however i can see them at the bottom left	01:19
+MrHairgrease	you want to copy the folder containing the article templates	01:19
+MrHairgrease	go to the url yoursite.com/root/import/article	01:20
+MrHairgrease	and make sure admin mode is on	01:20
+MrHairgrease	afk	01:20
metanil	them	01:20
metanil	then	01:21
metanil	ok i copied it.	01:23
metanil	using descendants option	01:23
metanil	how can i copy now..	01:23
perlmonkey2	rizen: Sorry had to run out for a bit. Yes, I think you achieved that goal. The WRE is a breeze to configure.	01:24
@rizen	sweet	01:24
@rizen	i'm suprized you hadn't used it before	01:25
metanil	it worked!	01:26
metanil	thanks Mrhairgrease	01:26
perlDreamer	the wre suxors big time. If it was any good, there would be a fedora version of it	01:27
perlmonkey2	rizen: I first ran WebGUI from source because it was a test machine that also ran CGI. And for some reason I just always used the source on production machines after that. Now I know how much time I was wasting.	01:28
@rizen	if fedora was any good it would have gotten votes when we posted a poll about which operating systems to build the WRE for	01:30
+MrHairgrease	perlDreamer should switch to ubuntu	01:30
+MrHairgrease	pd why not compile a fedora version yourself	01:31
perlDreamer	I'm compiler impaired	01:31
+MrHairgrease	and upload it to sf	01:31
perlDreamer	but that would be a good solution	01:32
perlDreamer	but then my tests wouldn't pass anymore	01:32
+MrHairgrease	on my ubuntu box it compiles flawlessly in about 40 minutes	01:32
+MrHairgrease	ah screw tests	01:32
perlDreamer	I should just try it, and stop whining about it	01:32
+MrHairgrease	no	01:32
+MrHairgrease	you should try it and still whine about it =)	01:33
+MrHairgrease	rizen why is the recursive copy not enabled in the asset manager?	01:34
+MrHairgrease	be design or is that still on the todo list	01:34
+MrHairgrease	by*	01:34
@rizen	because i want to get questions about it from you	01:34
@rizen	honest answer: i don't know	01:34
@rizen	i didn't develop it	01:34
+MrHairgrease	ok that's clear	01:35
+MrHairgrease	do you want me to ask some questions regarding antother aspect of webgui?	01:35
@rizen	we really need to come up with some mechanism for generating menus of that stuff	01:35
@rizen	so it's automatically available everywhere	01:35
+MrHairgrease	yui?	01:35
+MrHairgrease	oh ic	01:35
+MrHairgrease	another api?	01:35
@rizen	yeah	01:35
@rizen	an aspect of assets	01:36
@rizen	and to make that api extendable by subclassing in new assets	01:36
+MrHairgrease	getCopyContextMenu	01:36
@rizen	the getToolbar method just doesn't cut it	01:36
+MrHairgrease	getIconContextmenu	01:36
+MrHairgrease	stuff like that	01:36
+MrHairgrease	well	01:36
+MrHairgrease	the getToolbar method should prolly use those getXContextMenu methods	01:37
metanil	hello all..	01:41
metanil	can i put wreservice.pl in init.d	01:41
metanil	??	01:41
metanil	for default startup in run level 3 or 5	01:42
@rizen	no	01:42
@rizen	i told you before	01:42
@rizen	you have to use the scripts in /data/wre/sbin/services	01:43
@rizen	or write your own	01:43
metanil	hmmm.	01:43
perlDreamer	metanil: If you're having on going problems, we're happy to help out. But a copy of the WebGUI Admins Guide may answer a whole lot of questions all at once.	01:43
metanil	oh.. ok.. i think i solved it for now.. but i'll surely take a look at it	01:45
@rizen	i absolutely suck	01:47
@rizen	i can't seem to get anything done anymore	01:47
@rizen	i think i need to hire someone to do all my dev work	01:47
perlDreamer	This is why: http://the-programmers-stone.com/about/	01:47
@rizen	cuz just running the business has gotten to be a full time job	01:47
perlDreamer	I think you need someone who shares your vision and goals to run the business so that you can do the hackery that you love.	01:49
@rizen	it's much easier to hire a programmer than it is to do that	01:49
perlDreamer	sure, but do you want to hack, or do you want to biz?	01:51
@rizen	i want to do both	01:52
@rizen	it just depends on the day	01:52
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perlmonkey2	rizen: I wondered how you were managing an obviously successful business and managing to write code.	02:21
@rizen	i do one at a time	02:21
@rizen	and work a lot of hours	02:21
perlmonkey2	Year after year?	02:21
perlDreamer	He's very dedicated to wG and PB	02:21
perlDreamer	_and_ very good at it, too	02:22
perlmonkey2	are you kissing your bosses arse? :P	02:22
perlmonkey2	s/bosses/boss's/	02:22
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perlDreamer	Not until he starts sending me paychecks :)	02:23
perlmonkey2	hah!	02:23
perlDreamer	but it's true in any case	02:24
perlmonkey2	From what I understand, he's 99.9% of WebGUI's existance, and that last .1% is only recent.	02:24
perlDreamer	You should check out ohloh.net	02:25
perlDreamer	it has good code contribution statistics	02:25
perlmonkey2	ah, that is cool	02:25
perlDreamer	He's definitely the majority	02:25
perlDreamer	_Way_ in the majority	02:25
perlmonkey2	hah, I didn't know WebGUI's primary language is javascript?	02:25
perlDreamer	bad advertising	02:26
perlmonkey2	I bet that happened when YUI was added to the source.	02:26
perlmonkey2	I don't know how colin is?	02:27
perlmonkey2	On that list I only know Doug and jt.	02:27
perlmonkey2	well, I don't know them :P	02:27
perlDreamer	He writes most of the tests, did a lot of documentation and Help files before they were moved into the wiki.	02:28
perlDreamer	Fixes some bugs and implements RFEs	02:28
@rizen	colin is the true force behind webgui	02:30
@rizen	without him i couldn't do anything in webgui anymore	02:31
perlDreamer	Maybe you should hire him to be your dev	02:31
perlDreamer	The problem is, he doesn't do javascript	02:31
@rizen	if i could afford him, i'd hire him in a heartbeat	02:31
perlDreamer	Rotten, overpaid Northwest chip hacker	02:32
perlmonkey2	hah	02:32
perlmonkey2	he's a EE and also a major contrib to WebGUI? Odd mix.	02:33
@rizen	he's currently our best contributor	02:36
@rizen	in fact, i'd venture to say that if you added up all the contributions of all other contributors each year	02:37
@rizen	they wouldn't likely equal that of his	02:37
perlmonkey2	wow	02:37
perlmonkey2	and he does it just for fun?	02:37
@rizen	yup	02:37
@rizen	because he's the best ever	02:38
perlmonkey2	that . is . awesome .	02:38
@rizen	pm2 you need to get that survey system updated so that we have a real competitor for colin	02:39
@rizen	i wish i could figure out how we got colin so we could get 10 more of him	02:40
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perlDreamer	'night guys	02:50
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:03
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wgGuest54	who can help me about installing webgui?	16:08
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AMH_bob	wgGuest54 lasted a good 410 seconds...	16:13
AMH_bob	eh, 108 secs	16:15
ckotil	!!! think i just got my custom search going.	16:15
CIA-41	WebGUI: xdanger * r5119 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Form/ (CheckList.pm RadioList.pm): Labels for Check and Radio Lists	16:18
ckotil	yup.	16:28
ckotil	made the search asset my bi0tchs.	16:36
ckotil	-s	16:36
ckotil	hrm. whats the webgui way to retrieve form variables? custom form I have in my template. they happen to be radio buttons.	17:07
@rizen	AMH_bob...people are very fickle	17:10
@rizen	if you don't help them in 3 seconds, even if they are getting the help for free, then you're wasting their time	17:10
@rizen	ckotil: would you like to do it directly in the template, or do you have code backing it up?	17:11
ckotil	im going to be mucking with WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Search anway. so either way would work i guess	17:13
ckotil	i have added a new search rule type	17:13
ckotil	so im gonna pass the value of this radio button group to the new rule.	17:13
@rizen	ok then	17:14
@rizen	code is always best	17:14
@rizen	so to do that you use the session variable	17:14
@rizen	$session->form->get("var");	17:14
ckotil	oh nice.	17:14
@rizen	if you want to process it against the form type	17:14
ckotil	easy as that?	17:14
@rizen	you can do	17:14
@rizen	$session->form->process("var","RadioList");	17:15
@rizen	and you can even give it further validation stuff	17:15
@rizen	the method looks like	17:15
ckotil	ok cool. i dont think i need to do any processing tho	17:15
@rizen	process ( name, type [ , default, params ] )	17:16
ckotil	:) froooom	17:16
* ckotil 's head.		17:16
@rizen	over your head?	17:16
ckotil	yah.	17:16
@rizen	ok sorry	17:16
ckotil	np	17:16
@rizen	was just trying to give you all the info you might need	17:16
ckotil	$session->form->get should be good.	17:16
ckotil	i appreciate it.	17:17
ckotil	Thanks rizen	17:17
@rizen	np	17:17
ckotil	Im working on a new documentation system	17:17
ckotil	that is in the same structure as our website.	17:17
ckotil	ive implemented custom views/color scheme to differnetiate between assets	17:18
ckotil	im finalizing the search part of it.	17:18
ckotil	looking at WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Search. i should have known how to retrieve my form variable.	17:20
ckotil	theres a perfect example for keywords. i just assumed keywords was a tmpl_var and was differnet than what iw as trying to do.	17:21
ckotil	:) works like a charm.	17:30
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@preaction	ha, I did good! I fixed a bug AND i wrote a test about the bug!	19:29
@preaction	wooooooo hoooooo!	19:29
* apeiron gives preaction a cookie.		19:34
@preaction	how many bugfixes + tests did YOU write today?	19:35
@preaction	:p	19:35
@rizen	perlDreamer, i have a question for you	19:36
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@rizen	do you think things like Devel::Cover and Perl::Critic should be included in the main WRE, or only in the WDK version since they are only used by devs?	19:36
@rizen	actually, anyone could chime in on this	19:36
+MrHairgrease	does it make a difference?	19:37
@preaction	depends on if PC will ever be used to facilitate user tests (as opposed to author tests)	19:37
@rizen	$bugs - 3;	19:37
@preaction	Devel::Cover, on the other hand, has little use to a user	19:37
perlDreamer	exactly	19:37
perlDreamer	WDK for author tests	19:37
@rizen	ok then	19:38
@rizen	fair enough	19:38
perlDreamer	If anyone wanted to upgrade their WRE from user to dev, is it easy enough to do?	19:38
@rizen	yeah	19:39
@rizen	just copy the WDK over the WRE	19:39
@rizen	and you're done	19:39
perlDreamer	Since Perl::Critic has a TON of dependencies, then definitely they want to be separate	19:40
@rizen	yeah, i figure it will save the WRE about 10-15 mb in size	19:40
@rizen	by keeping it seperate	19:41
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@preaction	perlDreamer, were you able to reproduce Tiffany's adspace bug? http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/advertising-center-not-tracking-clicks#pG-zVzhjicTzhxo_nBLPtA	19:45
perlDreamer	No, but I haven't tried since the WUC.	19:46
perlDreamer	It needs to be reverified	19:46
perlDreamer	Also, could someone please run the failing t/Storage/Image.t on PB's server for me?	19:46
perlDreamer	knowmad tried it on his WRE and it passed with no problems.	19:46
@rizen	i'll run it now	19:47
perlDreamer	thanks	19:47
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@rizen	oh crap, sorry i forgot to paste this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/d79e7d40b	19:54
perlDreamer	rizen, prove is eating all the debug output. Could you please rerun it with prove -v and repaste?	19:57
@rizen	yup	19:57
@rizen	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6445908	19:58
@rizen	there you go	19:58
@rizen	gotta go	19:58
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perlDreamer	the test is crashing when it tries to run resize	20:04
perlDreamer	must be (Graphics\|Image)::Magick related	20:04
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ckotil	Site indexing took 156.578034 seconds.	20:47
CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r5120 /WebGUI/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix: Import Package does nothing when re-importing trashed package	20:48
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CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r5122 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm): fix select all checkbox in trash in IE and with a single item	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: graham * r5123 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm: additional fix to trash select all	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r5124 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): fix: CS posts get re-ordered when copy/paste	20:48
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CIA-41	WebGUI: jt * r5126 /wrebuild/ (5 files in 4 dirs):	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: - fix: workflow monitor messages too long	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: - fix: workflow monitor subject non-standard	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: - fix: mac launchd script for WRE	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: - Added the following Perl Modules for the WDK version of the WRE:	20:48
CIA-41	WebGUI: Devel-Cover-0.63	20:49
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r5127 /WebGUI/t/Storage/Image.t: skipping wrong number of tests	20:49
CIA-41	WebGUI: colin * r5128 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/t/Storage/Image.t: backporting correct number of skip tests	20:49
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perlDreamer	stupid bot was constipated	21:11
perlDreamer	must need some pepto-botsmal	21:11
perlDreamer	off to gym	21:12
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CIA-41	WebGUI: doug * r5129 /WebGUI/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.pm): fix: Matrix best/worst now must have 10 or more votes	21:48
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perlDreamer	nice bug fixin', dude	00:27
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wgGuest05	hello	00:45
perlDreamer	ask away, wgGuest05	00:46
perlDreamer	but be patient, sometimes answers are slow in coming	00:46
wgGuest05	i have a site and i have four differents design home pages, I want to rotate the four home pages in my site	00:48
wgGuest05	when a user will be connected to my site can see a different home	00:49
perlDreamer	so you have four home pages for visitors, but only one for users?	00:49
wgGuest05	all are for visitor	00:50
perlDreamer	what do logged in users see?	00:50
wgGuest05	for visitor and users too	00:51
perlDreamer	In that case, it's relatively easy.	00:51
perlDreamer	I can tell you how to do this, but in return, I'd like you to write up an article for the wiki.	00:51
perlDreamer	Deal?	00:51
wgGuest05	ok	00:52
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perlDreamer	give me 10 minutes to check a few things, then I'll be back with an answer	00:52
wgGuest05	ok	00:53
perlDreamer	First off, you'll need to create another page on your site, called homeFolder, for example	00:56
perlDreamer	Beneath that page, you're going to build your four different pages	00:56
perlDreamer	note that you should put login macros and all other wG support macros (AdminBar, etc) on EVERY page.	00:57
perlDreamer	Next, you're going to change the default page of your site, called /home for example.	00:57
perlDreamer	It will use a COMPLETELY empty template, with one exception, a RandomAssetProxy macro	00:58
perlDreamer	The only thing in that template should be the ^RandomAssetProxy macro	00:58
perlDreamer	you'll tell that macro to randomly pick things below the homeFolder page, like this	00:58
perlDreamer	^RandomAssetProxy(/homeFolder);	00:58
perlDreamer	When WebGUI tries to serve up your home page, it will execute that macro and pick one of the four pages below homeFolder.	00:59
perlDreamer	Now, I haven't demo'ed this, so there may be some missing fine details.	00:59
perlDreamer	Did you follow all that, or have you any questions?	00:59
wgGuest05	it is clear	01:01
wgGuest05	the article in the wiki is about it	01:02
wgGuest05	?	01:02
perlDreamer	Please. Along with any implementation details or suggestions that you might have for someone else trying to do the same thing.	01:02
perlDreamer	You could probably also drop a link to your site, so it can be seen in action.	01:03
wgGuest05	ok	01:03
wgGuest05	thanks a lot	01:03
perlDreamer	You're welcome. If you have problems, please post back here with more questions.	01:04
perlDreamer	I'll be on for another hour or two.	01:04
perlDreamer	Or, the forums might be a good place, too.	01:04
perlDreamer	Not all the wG community hangs out on IRC	01:04
wgGuest05	ok	01:05
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SDuensin	FrIdAy!	15:33
ckotil	YAY!	15:41
ckotil	leaving for the rocky mountains in t minus 2 hours	15:41
ckotil	gonna spend a week skiing my ass off	15:41
ckotil	hitting vail tomorrow morning.	15:41
+MrHairgrease	cool	15:41
+MrHairgrease	I'm going to switzerland for two weeks	15:41
+MrHairgrease	but I still hav to wait for about 10 days or so	15:42
ckotil	sweet.	15:45
ckotil	Thats on my todo list.	15:45
ckotil	so's whistler	15:45
ckotil	but right now Im only able to do trips that arent insanely expensive	15:45
ckotil	driving out. staying with friends.. etc..	15:45
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nuba	watch out, drinking and driving can be expensive too ;)	15:51
nuba	friday is just a preamble to yet another sunday	15:51
+MrHairgrease	it depends on your location i guess	15:52
+MrHairgrease	for me going skiing in the us would be too expensive =)	15:52
nuba	heh	15:52
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perlmonkey2	for WebGUI's current ajax stuff, how does it authenticate calls?	19:54
perlmonkey2	is there a WebGUI auth cookie?	19:54
perlmonkey2	wgSession.....	19:56
perlmonkey2	hmm....looks like webgui does authentication magically for me	20:05
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wgGuest76	hello	20:48
perlmonkey2	hello	20:52
perlmonkey2	What's up wgGuest76	20:52
wgGuest76	wait a moment	20:54
perlmonkey2	wgGuest76: What am I waiting for :P	20:56
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perlmonkey2	Anyone here familiar with YUI's treeview. I'm looking for a way to overload the event handler.	20:58
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wgGuest29	hello	21:08
wgGuest29	Anyone knows if webgui has a module to perform management documentary?	21:10
wgGuest29	??	21:13
@rizen	i don't know what you're asking	21:13
@rizen	are you talking about "Document Management"	21:14
wgGuest29	yes	21:14
wgGuest29	DMS	21:14
nuba	guess "management documentary" would be something like dilbert?	21:14
@rizen	webgui can store documents, but currently you have to upload them through the web interface	21:16
wgGuest29	i don't know	21:16
@rizen	there is not currently a filesystem mount or a webdav interface	21:16
@rizen	the documents uploaded are versioned, and have privileges, and metadata	21:16
@rizen	so from that point of view, webgui is a dms	21:16
@rizen	but from the file access point of view, it is not	21:16
wgGuest29	Or so, I in webgui I explore my documents, change folder, rather as if I had a hard disc vitual	21:18
@rizen	yes	21:20
wgGuest29	how to?	21:21
@rizen	there are lots of books that you can get to tell you how	21:23
@rizen	https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2	21:23
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wgGuest29	But, we need to develop an interface or simply configure anything in the webgui?	21:31
wgGuest29	But, we need to develop an interface or simply configure anything in the webgui?	21:42
@rizen	it's already built in	21:42
@rizen	you just need to install webgui and upload your files	21:42
wgGuest29	thanks	21:43
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perlmonkey2	the 8.1 wre doesn't seem to containt /data/wre/prereqs/mysql yet the instructions have me changing that dir to mysql owned.	22:11
@rizen	they do? the instructions that come with the wre?	22:12
@rizen	cuz you don't need to do that	22:12
@rizen	that folder existed in the old 0.7 series	22:12
perlmonkey2	I'm looking at the online setup instructions :)	22:13
perlmonkey2	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation	22:13
@rizen	ah, it says right at the top that that's for 0.7.2	22:13
perlmonkey2	okay...I'm having success with the included install.txt	22:14
perlmonkey2	Couldn't connect to MySQL because Undefined subroutine &DBD::mysql::db::_login called at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux/DBD/mysql.pm line 142. at ./wreconsole.pl line 1212	22:21
perlmonkey2	I'm guessing that is because I'm running the RH5 binary on Fedora 8	22:21
perlmonkey2	although I'm not sure why it would matter.	22:21
@rizen	i've never tested running on fedora	22:22
@rizen	but it may not be binarily compatible with rhel	22:22
@rizen	on any of the os's we support, it works without hiccups in all cases	22:23
@rizen	so that's probably your problem	22:23
perlmonkey2	oh well....the production machine is centos5 so I'm sure it will work there.	22:23
@rizen	you could download the source version and compile it	22:23
@rizen	it compiles in about an hour on most modern systems	22:24
perlmonkey2	this machine is Via C7...it will probably take days :P	22:24
perlmonkey2	C7 clocked at 1Ghz	22:24
perlmonkey2	downloading teh WRE source on my faster machine.	22:27
perlmonkey2	Hacking my way through the Javascript survey creation page now.....so much YUI to learn.	22:27
perlmonkey2	bah, my fast machine is 64 bit and my target test machine is x586.....guess I should cancel the download.	22:29
SDuensin	Hey gang - quick question: Can you set security on pages/assets based on a user's stated age?	22:37
@rizen	yes	22:38
SDuensin	Gonna tell me how?	22:38
perlmonkey2	SDuensin: Just what kind of site are you setting up?	22:38
perlmonkey2	WebGUI making inroads into the adult entertainment industry?	22:38
@rizen	i don't know if i should SD	22:38
perlmonkey2	hah	22:38
@rizen	it's a little early for a xmas present	22:38
SDuensin	No, but if we put a section up about home brewing, people should be 21.	22:39
@rizen	do you want to do it so they only ever need to click on the "I agree I'm 21." link once	22:39
@rizen	or once for every session	22:39
@rizen	just in case a kid use's a dad's computer	22:39
SDuensin	Good question. I have no idea.	22:40
@rizen	make a decision	22:40
@rizen	both are possible	22:40
@rizen	and both are pretty easy	22:40
SDuensin	Well, is it group-based? If I just put up a gateway page, they can deep-link around it.	22:40
@rizen	both are group based	22:41
@rizen	so deep linking won't work	22:41
SDuensin	Let's do one-shot and it remembers.	22:41
@rizen	i wouldn't lead you astray	22:41
SDuensin	(Otherwise it'll drive me nuts.)	22:41
SDuensin	:-)	22:41
@rizen	the one shot thing requires that the user have an account and that they're logged in	22:41
@rizen	is that ok?	22:41
SDuensin	Yes.	22:42
@rizen	then i implore you to check out the GroupAdd macro	22:42
@rizen	the wiki will tell you how to use it	22:42
@rizen	and it will solve all your problems	22:42
SDuensin	DUH! Thanks bud. :-)	22:42
SDuensin	Is the "If" macro disabled by default for a good reason I should fear?	22:52
@rizen	it's not disabled	22:52
@rizen	it's deleted	22:52
SDuensin	?	22:53
@rizen	it was a dangerous pile of unsupportable crap	22:53
SDuensin	hehehe	22:53
@rizen	so i got rid of it in favor of more powerful templates	22:53
@rizen	you can use complex if's in HTML::Template::Expr or Template Toolkit	22:53
SDuensin	Can you test for "not" groups? Like say, let a user in to this page if they DON'T have a group?	22:54
@rizen	no	22:55
@rizen	i'd like to add that at some point though	22:55
SDuensin	It's handy.	22:55
@rizen	then registered users could be everyone that's not a visitor	22:55
SDuensin	I think I just found a bug on the wiki...	22:56
SDuensin	I searched for "If Macro" and then hit "Next Page" through all four pages...	22:56
SDuensin	Then I searched for "Group" and hit "Next Page" to get to page 2 of 2...	22:57
SDuensin	When I get to the next page, it's back to searching for "If Macro" and shows four pages again.	22:57
@rizen	why are you telling me about it instead of telling the bug list about it?	22:57
SDuensin	I'm in Safari on my Mac, so I don't rule out the browser being the issue. :-)	22:57
SDuensin	Because I wanted to see if it really was a bug or if it's my dumb browser.	22:58
@rizen	i use safari every day	22:58
@rizen	for the past 4 months	22:58
@rizen	though i use safari 3, not 2	22:59
SDuensin	I started using it when I put Leopard on this box. Dunno if I like Safari yet or not.	22:59
@rizen	regardless it should work fine for any browser	22:59
SDuensin	Reporting it.	22:59
perlmonkey2	hmm, I don't like the YUI treeview....but not sure of another way to do the survey display.	23:06
@rizen	you could dev something from scratch	23:06
@rizen	but that's a lot of time	23:06
perlmonkey2	I think I just figured out how to use drag and drop with a treeview.	23:08
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@rizen	perlmonkey2 you need to become a yui expert so we can hire you either for special projects, contracts, or full time	23:09
perlmonkey2	you have no idea how good that sounds. I really like my current job, but they ask me to do things that really require a PhD in linguistics, computer science, and general badarsery, so I read a lot of text books and work alot of weekends. WebGUI is just plain fun in comparison.	23:11
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@rizen	we're always looking for good contractors	23:19
@rizen	ask khenn	23:19
@rizen	he hires them all the time	23:19
@rizen	and our contractors are who we look at first when making full time hires	23:20
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@rizen	or khenn could just leave the chatroom	23:21
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perlmonkey2	hah	23:35
perlmonkey2	let's wait until I get the survey done to show my chops :P	23:36
SDuensin	Hey cool... I'm over here researching speech recognition technologies and ran across www.voxforge.org. After poking around on it for a bit, some things started to look familiar... It's WebGUI!	23:39
perlmonkey2	hah, that is cool	23:41
@rizen	sweet	23:43
perlmonkey2	Although they could use some PlainBlack website design consultation.	23:45
SDuensin	:-P	23:46
@rizen	still i just like to see other open source projects using webgui	23:47
@rizen	k3b is the biggest open source project besides webgui using webgui	23:48
@rizen	k3b.org	23:48
SDuensin	Didn't realize they used it. Very cool.	23:49
SDuensin	Hmm - the links going to k3b.plainblack.com should have been a clue.	23:50
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elnino	hi! How do I deny a versiontag and make it show up in the admin menu under version tags for them to continue workin gon it? Is this possible?	23:53
SDuensin	Time to head home. Later all!	23:54
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@rizen	elnino if the version tag has already been committed then it's too late	23:54
@rizen	but if you just want to set up the process	23:54
@rizen	select "commit with approval" in your settings under content	23:54
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@rizen	from then on all version tags will have to be approved by you	23:55
@rizen	and if you deny them, the go back to being in the version tags menu	23:55
@rizen	if you need further assistance, purchase a copy of the Content Managers Guide available from webguistore.com	23:56
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elnino	right. thank you for the quick response. It was committed, and I denyied it, but it didn't show up under "version tags" in the admin menu. Are you saying it should have?	23:58
@rizen	yes it should have if you denied it	23:59
elnino	dang. it did. my bad. It must take a couple minutes to show up. Sorry. Thanks!	23:59
elnino	So this is good. Thank you.	23:59
@rizen	you're welcome	23:59
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elnino	bye. and dare I say, "merry christmas" to all!	00:00
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@rizen	big suprise	00:16
@rizen	huge	00:16
@rizen	people are going to flip	00:16
@rizen	CIA-40 will tell you all about it	00:16
@rizen	or not	00:30
@rizen	because CIA-40 sucks ass	00:30
nuba	perlDreamer> stupid bot was constipated	00:49
nuba	perlDreamer> must need some pepto-botsmal	00:49
@rizen	nuba, do you run CIA-40? or is that someone else?	00:51
nuba	not me	00:53
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elnino	hi. my understnading is the international language support in webgui pertains to the gui part of webgui. I'm wondering if there is a way to utilize the same system/setup to support the translation of menu items on our site (page titles)? As far as page content, we'll just create the pages.	06:17
@preaction	yes. Use the International macro and make your own i18n namespace (lib/WebGUI/i18n/<language>/<namespace>.pm)	06:18
elnino	ok. I'll look into that. The help file shows the example: ^International(45 "article") what is 45?	06:20
elnino	I take it that "article" would be the page title in my case.	06:20
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elnino	Hi preaction. thanks for the quick help. I was wondering what the parameters are for the International macro. the example shows: International(45, "article") but doesn't describe them. I'm assuming "article" is the text you want translated. But I don't know what 45 is. Is that the namespace? Thanks!	07:03
@preaction	i don't know, use the source. 45 is probably the i18n lookup. no clue what articles is	07:04
elnino	ok. Thanks.	07:04
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wgGuest47	hello	18:33
wgGuest47	we need to develop a new module for one of our sites.	18:34
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wgGuest68	hello	22:52
wgGuest68	i have some questions	22:52
wgGuest68	can you help me	22:52
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kr_one	hello	23:36
kr_one	is there a version of webgui for win32-systems?	23:37
kr_one	anyone?	23:41
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perlmonkey2	So many people who need support, so few people willing to pay for support.	23:58
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@preaction	or even willing to wait a few hours	06:34
@preaction	but the transient traffic is a good sign, as well as the increased activity in the Install / Upgrade board. it means the message is getting out	06:34
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wgGuest60	hi	05:18
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neoxsaibot	hi	05:18
neoxsaibot	i can integrate webgui with hi5, myspace, blogs etc.. ?	05:18
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patspam	hmm i have a low-load wG server that initially runs fast and slowly degrades (2-3hrs), goes back to fast when modperl is restarted	10:48
@preaction	impossible to diagnose without being on the box, but things to check: swapping, Apache2::SizeLimit settings	10:50
patspam	thanks preaciton, I'll start with those	10:50
patspam	`top` shows memory free and no cpu thrashing so I was quite stumped	10:51
@preaction	just because memory is free doesn't mean memory isn't swapped out	10:53
patspam	yeah true	10:55
patspam	ok, I lowered Apache2::SizeLimit to 50mb (from default 100mb) and now i see lots of "Apache2::SizeLimit httpd process too big, exiting at SIZE=70768 KB" in the modperl log	12:10
patspam	and under a web stress-test the server doesn't slow down/lock up as before	12:11
patspam	not sure if this is an ideal situation but many thanks preaction for the help	12:14
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@preaction	anyone here ever written any WebGUI help files for modules before?	16:07
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:11
@preaction	morning	16:13
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wgGuest14	hello	16:16
@preaction	morning	16:18
wgGuest14	more than a question i need and advice	16:19
wgGuest14	i need to develop an aplication and i want to integrate with my webgui's site	16:20
wgGuest14	my site is about high schools	16:21
@preaction	if you ask specific questions, we can try to answer them, but please don't expect hand-holding. if it's hand-holding you want, then paid support would be more beneficial to you	16:24
SDuensin	Yea. preaction has no hands.	16:24
@preaction	also, don't expect quick replies, we're busy people	16:24
wgGuest14	and i want to create a system where the teachers can put the students grades and they parent can see the grades too	16:25
wgGuest14	ok no problem	16:25
@preaction	i'm directly wired into the computer, no time for hands	16:25
@preaction	that sounds like a DataForm asset, or if more in-depth, the upcoming Thingy asset	16:25
wgGuest14	but the information is private for each high school	16:26
SDuensin	Thingy asset? I love it - just based on the name, I gotta have it!	16:26
@preaction	security could be done with Groups. set up a group for each high school (or even, for each teacher)	16:27
wgGuest14	but the problem is if I have many high schools, i have to create many groups too	16:27
+Radix_	so script it using the webgui api	16:28
wgGuest14	one question: with a sql form can i storage in several tables at the same time?	16:29
@preaction	I'm not sure how SQLForm takes over the database. Martin (MrHairgrease) is the resident expert, but he's Dutch (so no idea what time it is over there)	16:31
wgGuest14	ok	16:31
wgGuest14	no problem	16:31
wgGuest14	since your experience, how can i develop it?	16:32
wgGuest14	we have several options	16:32
wgGuest14	we are thinking in using sql form or develop a wobject	16:33
wgGuest14	the sql form is a good help but we find some problems	16:34
wgGuest14	how to filtrate the information for each high school using the same sqlform	16:35
@preaction	i would probably end up using a DataForm / SQLForm, building a package, and deploying that package once for each high school. unless we're talking about hundreds or thousands of high schools. I'd need more information to make a real guess as to my procedure, and unfortunately I don't have the time to listen to a proposal (that's what my boss does)	16:36
@preaction	if we're talking hundreds/thousands of high schools, I'd probably end up building my own application	16:36
wgGuest14	ok	16:37
wgGuest14	what is your opinion in to build a wobject?	16:38
wgGuest14	is a good option?	16:38
@preaction	uhm... what do you mean "option"?	16:39
wgGuest14	to develop my application as a wobject	16:40
@preaction	again, i don't know the parameters of the project. you're going to have to make your own decisions, but if you find yourself butting up against limitations of the existing assets, then you're going to have to make your own application	16:42
wgGuest14	ok	16:42
wgGuest14	thanks for your help	16:43
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perlmonkey2	stupid question that I'm 99% sure I know the answer to, but macros can be added via the webgui web interface and do not require command line access?	18:54
@rizen	you mean new macro code?	18:55
perlmonkey2	yes	18:55
@rizen	you cannot add new macro code to the server without command line access	18:55
@rizen	allowing new code to be uploaded to the server opens the server to all sorts of malicious attack	18:56
@rizen	therefore it's not allowed	18:56
perlmonkey2	I suck.....I just talked a client into going with your hosting and they need a custom macro.	18:56
@rizen	is it something you could do without a macro..perhaps using Template Toolkit?	18:57
@rizen	we do allow HTML::Template::Expr and Template Toolkit templates on our servers	18:58
perlmonkey2	They put video podcasts on a site and want a webgui page to track that.	18:58
perlmonkey2	duh	18:58
perlmonkey2	webgui can do that.	18:58
perlmonkey2	I double suck.	18:58
perlmonkey2	anyways, the survey is making progress....I'm glad you talked me into the drag and drop because that is actually going to take less code than other methods I'd thought about.	18:59
perlmonkey2	For the survey creation page, two columns on the left, A and B, and a box on the right. Column A has the questions, column B is populated with answers from whichever questoin was last clicked on in column A.	19:01
perlmonkey2	Also, the details for the last clicked item are displayed in the right box.	19:01
@rizen	nice	19:01
perlmonkey2	Questions are dragged to other questions to reorded.	19:01
perlmonkey2	same with answers	19:01
@rizen	it sounds like it's going to be super schweet	19:01
perlmonkey2	and answers are dragged onto questions to fork the survey.	19:01
perlmonkey2	hah, I hope.	19:02
perlmonkey2	its fun to work on even if it ends up sucking.	19:02
@rizen	it won't suck	19:02
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perlDreamer	Okay, who is going to give me their mom's pannenkoeken recipe?	23:25
* MrHairgrease always makes according to the recipe on the back of the pannenkoeken flour package		23:25
+MrHairgrease	and so does my mom =)	23:25
+MrHairgrease	http://home.wish.net/~sparhawk/cuisine.htm#parthh	23:26
+MrHairgrease	http://www.hungrybrowser.com/phaedrus/m0117M05.htm#3	23:28
+MrHairgrease	and while you're at it, you can make me some	23:29
perlDreamer	Do they ship well?	23:30
perlDreamer	What do you want on them?	23:30
+MrHairgrease	powder sugar	23:30
+MrHairgrease	dunno how shipping resistant they are though	23:31
+MrHairgrease	I've neer shipped pannenkoeken	23:31
+MrHairgrease	never*	23:31
@preaction	pure maple syrup > powder sugar	23:31
perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, you can PM me your shipping address and we'll give it a shot next week.	23:32
+MrHairgrease	heh	23:32
perlDreamer	Perl is 20 years old today.	23:32
+MrHairgrease	send em to procolix	23:32
perlDreamer	You must really trust Koen :)	23:33
+MrHairgrease	i trust him now and then	23:33
+MrHairgrease	but I'm realy curious to see his face when he opens an parcel containing american made pannekoeken	23:34
perlDreamer	well, we've reproduced the pumpkin soup recipe from Bart, so I have high hopes for the pannekoeken	23:36
perlDreamer	is there any other secret Dutch knowledge that you'd like to share with the US?	23:36
+MrHairgrease	you mean why we look hotter?	23:37
+MrHairgrease	I think that's the genes	23:37
+MrHairgrease	=)	23:37
perlDreamer	Gotcha, we'll have to import a batch of genes over this way to add to the gene pool.	23:38
+MrHairgrease	you don't have to import genes	23:38
+MrHairgrease	i can send you some spit to clone	23:38
+MrHairgrease	ask those csi guys how to do that	23:39
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perlDreamer	maybe I'll stick with the secret Dutch culinary knowledge	00:16
@preaction	to merge, or not to merge. that is the question...	00:17
perlDreamer	You have the urge to merge	00:17
@preaction	lucky me gets to merge twice: once with 7.4 branch for a client, and once with HEAD	00:38
@preaction	and i have no idea what the heck svn is doing right now, but i told it to merge so we'll see what happens...	00:39
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SDuensin	Morning.	15:53
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AMH_bob	Afternoon!	16:01
@preaction	Morning!	16:02
SDuensin	Are we having fun yet?	16:04
@preaction	i just merged the new Gallery asset into SVN. now that I finally get to play around in the trunk again, i'm really excited about the new 7.5 features	16:04
@preaction	especially the URL and Content handlers	16:04
@preaction	so yeah, I'm having fun	16:04
SDuensin	I'm excited about 7.5, too. WebGUI ROCKS!	16:05
@preaction	and i can't wait for the Thingy, seriously will be awesome	16:07
+Radix_	what's the eta for 7.5?	16:08
@preaction	couldn't tell you. we haven't even decided when our feature freeze date is	16:10
@preaction	we're moving to a 6-month release cycle, but i forget if we're starting this Jan/Feb or more towards May	16:11
@preaction	i remember we were trying to synchronize with the WUC	16:11
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+Radix_	fair enough	16:20
@preaction	i believe we've got the Thingy and the re-done Survey asset upcoming yet before we're through with features for 7.5	16:21
@preaction	hopefully over the xmas break i can finish up the tests for the AssetReport asset, so we'll have that	16:21
@preaction	plus I want to take some time out for researching JT's idea about re-doing the WebGUI::Search interface to make it pluggable, that would be quite awesome	16:22
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wgGuest37	hello	16:35
wgGuest37	i have a question	16:35
BartJol	shoot	16:36
wgGuest37	how can i change the size of a calendar?	16:37
BartJol	as in the numer of days?	16:38
BartJol	or the surface on your screen	16:38
BartJol	?	16:38
BartJol	number	16:38
wgGuest37	i want to put a calendar in my home page and the space is more or less 180 pixels	16:38
wgGuest37	the surface on my screen	16:38
@preaction	you'll have to edit the template	16:39
BartJol	indeed	16:39
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@preaction	check webgui.org contributions area, there might be one already (but I know there's one for the old EventsCalendar, so watch out)	16:39
@preaction	if not, i know people are interested in a little mini-calendar, so if you do make yours, you may want to post it to the contribs section yourself	16:40
wgGuest37	if I modify the template I can change the name of the months	16:42
@preaction	no, the name of the months comes from the current user's locale settings	16:43
@preaction	you can use smaller names, the short name of the month, sure	16:43
@preaction	look in the help files for the calendar template variables	16:43
BartJol	http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/small-calendar/3	16:44
BartJol	that's the link to the discussion on small calndars	16:44
BartJol	excuse my typing	16:44
wgGuest37	no problem	16:44
wgGuest37	I am going to check	16:45
BartJol	success	16:46
wgGuest37	if i have a external database and i want to have in session one field of it, how can i do it?	16:48
wgGuest37	it is posible?	16:48
@preaction	what's "in session"?	16:49
wgGuest37	for example when a users log in to my site, in session I can recover easily his username and other information	16:50
wgGuest37	how can i put in session another information of the users that i have in an external database	16:51
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BartJol	probably an sql report	16:51
@preaction	you might make a macro to do it, or if you want to go all-out, you might make an Auth plugin to do it	16:51
wgGuest37	the process will be, the user log in to my site, then with his username and the macro i will obtain the other value that i need and finally i will put it in session	16:54
wgGuest37	can i create a hidden field in a sql form that stoores a session value?	17:00
BartJol	sorr, can't help you on that one	17:00
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perlmonkey2	When writing my custom JS, is there a namespace I should be using? WEBGUI.survey.myobjects?	18:29
perlmonkey2	Looking through WebGUI's js, it looks like code is just in the global namespace. Should I just follow that?	18:31
@rizen	you should put it into your own namespace	18:33
@rizen	but you don't have to use hierarchy	18:33
@rizen	you can just create an object called WebGUISurvey if you want	18:33
perlmonkey2	cool, I like that. Good trade off between efficiency and organization :)	18:34
@rizen	i'm really flexible about namespace, i just don't want to see any subroutines out global because they can interfere with other stuff	18:34
@rizen	they must be all contained in an object	18:34
perlmonkey2	Dig it.....and this is turning out to be a lot of fun. I had forgotten how much you can do with JS in a little amount of code.	18:35
@preaction	eh, i was hoping to get some standardization to WebGUIs JS under yui-webgui	18:47
@preaction	with WebGUI.Form.blah etc....	18:47
@rizen	it can still go in the folder	18:48
@rizen	but that doesn't mean it needs namespacing	18:48
@rizen	even yahoo has stepped back on their hardcore namespacing	18:48
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@preaction	eh, it's not ultra important, as long as everything's well-documented	18:52
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teflond0n	is there a way to find out what webgui template files have been modified?	19:55
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@preaction	teflond0n, webgui templates are assets, and so have revisions. you can check their revision dates to see when they were modified (you might want to make an SQLReport to do so)	20:03
teflond0n	as a beginner to webgui I made the mistake as I was doing my first site layout of editing some of the templates instead of making copys and renaming them	20:05
teflond0n	would it be to late to go ahead and do so now - so that if there was an upgrade it wouldnt overwrite all my stuff	20:05
@preaction	go ahead and make a copy and as long as you use your copy you'll be fine	20:10
@preaction	the original will be overwritten, but your copy will remain	20:10
teflond0n	thanks for your help preaction	20:11
teflond0n	one final question - this one may be a little rough - whats the easiest way to go about setting up a SQLReport	20:12
@preaction	uh... clicking on SQLReport in the New Content pane of the Admin accordian?	20:13
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@preaction	perlDreamer, i've merged the photogallery branch and will delete it presently. anything you were waiting for has now happened. may death come swiftly to your enemies	20:22
perlDreamer	What in the world is a sequel to "The Hobbit"?	20:30
teflond0n	Preaction - instead of making a copy can I just rename the one I edited?	20:30
teflond0n	Lord of the Rings	20:30
perlDreamer	I mean, really, what are these guys thinking?	20:30
perlDreamer	http://www.thehobbitblog.com/	20:30
@preaction	teflond0n, no, because it has the same assetId. you need to make a copy, rename that copy, and use that copy from now on	20:30
teflond0n	k thx	20:31
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teflond0n	I liked the movie - but I'm wierd like that	20:32
@preaction	the sequal to the hobbit may or may not be the cut-out portion at the end of LotR when Frodo comes back to The Shire	20:32
perlDreamer	That would be a sequel to LOTR, it's pretty specific about it being the Hobbit	20:33
@preaction	perhaps more about Bilbo's adventure between The Hobbit and when we see him in LotR?	20:33
perlDreamer	SynQ: Your reach is impressive. The IT guys here just started using nagios	20:33
@preaction	or maybe The Hobbit is being made into two movies, just to get it all in	20:33
perlDreamer	Records show that coffee consumption is up 15% in just two days.	20:34
perlDreamer	SynQ: Next I'd like you to start advocating this perl based CMS/web framework thingy I heard about	20:35
@preaction	Zope?	20:35
perlDreamer	Nah, isn't that written in Aapl?	20:35
@preaction	huh...	20:36
@preaction	i dunno, there's this really awesome one that i use called WebGUI	20:36
perlDreamer	Really?	20:36
@preaction	yeah, it pwns everything	20:36
perlDreamer	How come I've never heard of it?	20:37
@preaction	if everybody'd heard about it, then it wouldn't be awesome!	20:37
perlDreamer	What does that say about politicians?	20:37
@preaction	that Ron Paul will lose and Tor Coolguy is our best hope?	20:38
perlDreamer	oh, and have you run a smoke test since the merge?	20:38
@preaction	and i love when CPAN modules fail to install because they fail a pod coverage test	20:38
@preaction	no, i haven't. but i can probably do so	20:38
perlDreamer	preaction: I've only looked in one place, but your merge reset the copyright date in Macro/International.pm	20:39
perlDreamer	ack -l 2006 lib/WebGUI says that ~10 other files are affected	20:40
perlDreamer	dude! It's nearly 2008! Get with it ;)	20:40
@preaction	i'd be less worried if the possibility for other problems wasn't there	20:41
perlDreamer	You want me to start reading the patch as a double check?	20:42
@preaction	if you want, i'm running the tests and coming up with some hits	20:42
@preaction	they all seem related to the Gallery and my changes though	20:42
@preaction	so i'll be fixing the tests I broke then...	20:46
@preaction	though i will admit that some tests are broken because they're monolithic :p	20:47
@preaction	what does it mean when Asset_diagnose fails a test?	20:49
perlDreamer	It may mean that the asset tables don't have matching assetIds, or their collateral tables don't work right.	20:54
perlDreamer	monolithic. humph	20:54
@preaction	and some tests are now obsolete. the File / Image asset now does proper inheritence	20:54
perlDreamer	that's nice	20:55
* perlDreamer installs new modules		20:57
@preaction	i'm getting problems with the Help tests about "not an ARRAY reference"	21:06
perlDreamer	I'm getting env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf perl Asset/File/Image/Photo/editSave.t	21:06
perlDreamer	Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image/Photo.pm line 262.	21:06
perlDreamer	# Looks like your test died before it could output anything.	21:06
perlDreamer	want to trade ;)	21:06
perlDreamer	Help entry fixed in 5148	21:13
perlDreamer	off to gym	21:13
teflond0n	how do I change the "Home" page in webgui	22:10
@preaction	Admin Console > Settings	22:12
@preaction	is the person who creates an asset always set as the owner of the asset? or do I have to do it manually?	22:14
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perlDreamer	preaction, I thought it defaulted to who I am	22:28
@preaction	so did i, that's why i didn't do anything, but something weird is going on... it's saying the owner is Admin when i'm Plainblack...	22:28
@preaction	i'm going to end up pulling another 16 hour day on this thing...	22:29
perlDreamer	Let me finish up an email, and I'll see if I can help	22:30
perlDreamer	It may be a bug	22:30
@preaction	plus, i don't know why in my dev environment it autocommits but on this client site is unlocks the version tag... weirdness...	22:30
perlDreamer	I was almost positive that it defaulted to "me". But maybe it inherits from the parent? Or maybe it's broken?	22:30
@preaction	i'll bet even money that it's a problem with the site's custom code	22:30
perlDreamer	Is it a custom asset?	22:30
@preaction	because i even explicitly (now) set the ownerUserId (the Post asset does it, so i assumed I have to do it now)	22:30
perlDreamer	ownerUserId should inherit from Asset.pm	22:31
@preaction	nope, it's the Gallery	22:31
@preaction	new GalleryAlbums should take on the ownerUserId of the person who created it, same with new photo assets	22:31
@preaction	that's how permissions are handled	22:31
@preaction	only the owner is allowed to edit, or someone who can edit the parent Gallery	22:31
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perlDreamer	so Gallery works fine, but created GalleryAlbums have the wrong owner?	22:34
@preaction	basically	22:34
perlDreamer	nice use of __PACKAGE__	22:34
perlDreamer	GalleryAlbum, line 101 should probably use ErrorHandler->fatal instead of croak	22:35
@preaction	it may be called outside of the web interface, so would I still use the errorhandler? i mean, www_addArchive could use the error handler	22:37
perlDreamer	I would. fatal uses croak internally?	22:37
perlDreamer	actually, it calls exit.	22:39
@preaction	but it also calls "caller", so you do get a stack trace	22:39
@preaction	still, i hate the whole logging out crap.	22:39
@preaction	this is a more friendly error that should be trapped by the caller	22:39
@preaction	it's not exactly fatal/evil/ugly/bad,bad,bad, but it will prevent you from mucking things up	22:40
perlDreamer	I don't see any wonky code in GalleryAlbum in reading through it	22:40
perlDreamer	It's good, clean OO code in wG style	22:40
@preaction	humph... i think i screwed up all the permissions. which i would've noticed had i been able to fix the tests before i had to commit...	22:41
@preaction	eh, it happens	22:42
perlDreamer	I'm not following you	22:42
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@preaction	i'm trying to reproduce on my dev box by using a non-admin user, but i keep getting permission denied errors, so i'm not checking the right permissions	22:42
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@preaction	found it: i wasn't overriding canAdd to return true always	22:56
perlDreamer	is that why the tests are failing, too?	22:57
@preaction	no, the tests are failing to compile entirely. i'll have to waste some of my free time on them.	22:58
@preaction	and ownerUserId does have to be set by the processPropertiesFromFormPost, it's not set to the current user automatically	22:59
@preaction	but i don't know why that is	22:59
@preaction	perlDreamer, have you added the "Every sub must have an explicit return" PerlCritic test yet?	23:16
perlDreamer	No, with caveats.	23:25
@preaction	just wondering. i've run into problems with implicit returns in the processPropertiesFromFormPost sub, so i fixed it	23:26
perlDreamer	so, officially, there's no Perl::Critic test	23:29
perlDreamer	all you do is run perlcritic on the codebase	23:30
@preaction	ah	23:30
perlDreamer	and pass it switches to tell it how hard you want to pound on it	23:30
perlDreamer	All I've done so far is run -gentle, which is level 5	23:30
perlDreamer	also, I don't know that we'd like to run Perl::Critic as part of the smoke tests	23:35
perlDreamer	I think it would take a very, very long time to run	23:35
@preaction	oh well	23:35
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perlDreamer	s/PhotoGallery/Gallery/ ???	00:19
perlDreamer	s/PhotoAlbum/GalleryAlbum/ ???	00:20
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@preaction	yeah	00:26
perlDreamer	plan => 0 doesn't work	00:26
perlDreamer	Each test needs to delete any Assets it creates	00:26
@preaction	that's what rollback does	00:27
perlDreamer	right, but in comment.t there's no END block, so the rollback doesn't get called when the test dies	00:27
perlDreamer	I checked in the class names and the plan fixes	00:28
perlDreamer	the last are temporary until the right amount of tests can be run	00:28
perlDreamer	my bad	00:29
perlDreamer	there's an END block	00:29
perlDreamer	when fatal calls exit, it prevents the END block from being run at all	00:42
perlDreamer	Sorry, preaction	00:42
perlDreamer	preaction: am I going to be stepping on your toes if I keep submitting test changes?	00:55
@preaction	no, go ahead	01:12
perlDreamer	okay. I'll keep the commits small with lots of comment so you can quickly/easily review and revert if necessary	01:19
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perlDreamer	preaction, the commented-out test in 5152 should probably be removed, but I'll leave that up to you.	02:19
perlDreamer	when the ->db call dies, wG calls errorHandler->fatal, which calls exit, so it can't be trapped.	02:19
@preaction	that's the problem! exit should never EVER be called!	02:21
@preaction	die, sure. exit, never	02:21
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perlDreamer	right, but then we need to trap all calls to the db so that it undies gracefully	02:21
perlDreamer	gtg, going to the zoo with the fam tonight	02:22
@preaction	eh, no different from now, when exit gives us absolutely no chance to trap	02:22
@preaction	k, have fun	02:22
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dionak	say i have a url like /company/methodology. is there an existing macro that can return just /company?	03:16
dionak	it'd be easy to write but if it already exists...	03:16
@preaction	i don't think one exists, no	03:18
dionak	Thanks. I copied RootTitle and made one called RootUrl.	03:23
dionak	btw, do you know who works on the calendar?	03:23
dionak	it needs some love	03:23
@preaction	"some"? :p	03:24
@preaction	i wrote it, and i'd like to re-write it, but there's of course no time to	03:24
dionak	:)	03:25
@preaction	the main people who get to work on Core are JT and Graham. JT's more interested in R&D and new features, Graham does bugfixen.	03:25
@preaction	but, of course, everything has to go through the RFE / Bugfix cycle	03:25
dionak	i can relate to the time issue.	03:25
dionak	yea. usually i run stuff through JT.	03:25
@preaction	unless you're willing to do the work. There's plenty of stuff that JT wants in the Calendar that just hasn't been added	03:25
dionak	i'm starting to use the calendar more and clients ask for that a lot.	03:25
dionak	i may have some time over the holidays, not sure. i would definitely like to address client facing issues with regards to the calendar. and the reoccurring events are a little challenging.	03:26
@preaction	in essence, the Calendar was supposed to be a base for a slew of related assets. I, unfortunately, did not have time nor the deep understanding of WebGUI to accomplish that (unlike the Gallery, which is complete awesomeness)	03:26
@preaction	oh, god, yes	03:26
@preaction	there's a Perl module out there DateTime::Event::ICal or something like that	03:27
dionak	where's the gallery? i don't think i've used that yet.	03:27
@preaction	it just got added to SVN today	03:27
dionak	would love to look at it. by where, i mean in the code base.	03:27
dionak	ah, i'll update then	03:27
dionak	so are events assets like posts are in the forum collaboration system?	03:28
@preaction	but if you could prove that using DateTime::Event::Ical can be as fast or faster than generating recurring event assets the way it's done, it would fix a lot of problems i expect	03:28
@preaction	i'd prove it, but again, time constraints	03:28
@preaction	basically	03:28
dionak	ok.	03:29
dionak	at least gives me a direction.	03:29
@preaction	the problem is that each event in a recurrence pattern is generated. they're linked together by their recurrence pattern, which has an ID	03:29
@preaction	the generation takes time, of course, which is problem one.	03:29
dionak	a user facing issue is that a reoccurring event can't be easily managed	03:30
@preaction	updating recurring events is problem two, there was supposed to be a little dropdown box for "Update all in this pattern" or "Update only this"	03:30
dionak	yea, that would help.	03:31
@preaction	with the additional possibility of "Update only this" breaking the event from its recurrence pattern (or perhaps a third option of "Make standalone")	03:31
dionak	i would think so	03:31
@preaction	i still don't like the form for inputting the recurrence pattern, we copied it from Outlook, but i think Evolution and/or Apple's ICal does it better	03:32
@preaction	and there was also supposed to be a way to add specific dates to the recurrence pattern, as well as prevent certain other dates from being added	03:32
@preaction	(includeDates and excludeDates)	03:32
@preaction	so yes, there is plenty of love to be added, and we aren't even into the whole iCalendar "Appointment" / Register for Event thing	03:33
dionak	sounds like a can of worms	03:33
@preaction	that and if the EMS ever gets re-written, i'd like to figure out how to make it a subclass of the Calendar	03:33
@preaction	eh, i don't know how the calendar apps do it, but it's apparently just sending iCalendar documents around. should be no problem	03:34
@preaction	at any rate, Calendars are evil, evil applications	03:34
@preaction	but any help I can provide, i'll be more than happy to	03:35
dionak	lol, i have to agree about the evilness. i appreciate the offer and i may pick your brain about the calendar after chatting up JT about it. my guess is that if i start small and work my way into it, i'll become more familiar with just how evil calendars are	03:36
dionak	ok, perhaps a silly question. i created the new macro, compiled it successfully, added it to the etc/my_site.conf and restarted mod_perl. It shows up but is listed as 'not enabled'.	03:44
@preaction	is the code correct? does it compile? does the error log say anything about it?	03:44
@preaction	listed as not enabled? there's a list?	03:45
dionak	yes, in help there's a list of available macros. pretty handy	03:45
@preaction	oh, that's removed in 7.4 i thought	03:45
dionak	we're 7.3 something.	03:46
dionak	nothing in the log	03:46
dionak	yes, the code compiles	03:46
@preaction	is the package statement correct? that could do it	03:47
dionak	do we keep losing things from help? that's a handy list.	03:47
dionak	yea, i thought that too. i'll double check it	03:47
dionak	yea, it's WebGUI::Macro::RootUrl	03:48
@preaction	the online help (everything except template vars) is being moved out to the Wiki	03:48
dionak	and the macro is called RootUrl	03:48
dionak	oh no	03:48
@preaction	i remember a good reason for it, i just don't remember what it was	03:48
dionak	performance is what i've heard but still.	03:49
@preaction	anyway, i can't think of anything else for the macro problem	03:49
dionak	k, thanks	03:49
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wgGuest44	hello	16:48
wgGuest44	i have a question related to ldap	16:49
wgGuest44	hi	16:52
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CIA-19	WebGUI: graham * r5153 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix improper handling of entities by SyndicatedContent asset	18:48
perlDreamer	preaction: ping	18:51
@preaction	yes, the tests	18:51
perlDreamer	Is there something I can do to help?	18:51
@preaction	i've fixed Photo/comment.t, but it still dies due to something	18:52
@preaction	and Photo/00base.t still dies because getParent doesn't actually getParent	18:52
@preaction	i tried adding some code to AssetLineage to figure out why to no avail	18:52
perlDreamer	I'll try working on the Storage tests, then.	18:53
@preaction	huh, didn't even notice those failures. weird	18:54
@preaction	neither Storage.t nor Storage/Image.t fail on my dev	18:55
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5154 /WebGUI/ (8 files in 3 dirs): fixed some Gallery tests failing. removed some unnecessary ones. still bunch more to go...	19:03
perlDreamer	Storage tests are failing on my box, but it's for bad setup reasons	19:06
perlDreamer	I'm guessing that several tests are failing because the new modules are not installed on the nightly build server	19:06
perlDreamer	d'oh	19:07
perlDreamer	Storage.t is failing because a test was added but the plan was not updated	19:07
perlDreamer	sometimes I'm so thick	19:08
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perlDreamer	preaction: is Storage/Image.t failing on your box?	19:14
@preaction	nope	19:15
perlDreamer	WRE on your dev box?	19:15
@preaction	yeup	19:15
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5155 /WebGUI/t/Storage.t: increment plan for TODO test	19:18
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perlDreamer	I can duplicate the Storage/Image.t failing test on my box	19:24
perlDreamer	It tests resizing images according to the maxImageSize from the settings	19:24
perlDreamer	and it checks too wide, and too tall	19:25
perlDreamer	too tall is failing because the resize actually grows the image larger	19:25
@preaction	which test/line?	19:26
perlDreamer	it's test 56	19:26
@preaction	the new size is 40 x 80, no?	19:27
perlDreamer	Nope, 80 x 160 on my box	19:28
perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/d922c9b0	19:28
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@preaction	perhaps it's because i'm using GraphicsMagic and you have ImageMagick?	19:31
perlDreamer	probably	19:31
perlDreamer	so the two aren't API compatible?	19:31
@preaction	i thought they were	19:32
perlDreamer	me, too	19:32
@preaction	i did change the method that images use to resize, using geometry instead of having to pre-calculate the aspect ratio, also using a different algorithm for better quality	19:33
@preaction	but if it doesn't resize, then IM should throw an error, and i could've swore we checked for errors	19:33
perlDreamer	well, it does resize	19:33
perlDreamer	but, given only the width, it makes the width larger, rather than smaller	19:34
perlDreamer	supporting both graphics packages is going to be complex	19:35
perlDreamer	we'll need real smoking, not just the nightly run	19:35
perlDreamer	multi-platform, multi-dependency	19:35
@preaction	we're not anymore, ImageMagick only going forward	19:35
perlDreamer	from WRE 0.8.2?	19:35
@preaction	0.8.1 actually	19:35
perlDreamer	you using 0.8.1?	19:36
@preaction	no, 0.8.0	19:36
perlDreamer	well, Resize supports Width, Geometry and Height keys, so it will do the job with the nice filtering	19:37
perlDreamer	I'll try to fix it up, then can you test on 0.8.0 for me?	19:37
@preaction	sure	19:37
@preaction	but that's what Storage::Image is using now, Resize()	19:37
perlDreamer	yes	19:38
perlDreamer	I'll just tell it to use Height => max_size, or Width => max_size, or Geometry => max_size	19:38
@preaction	if you give it Width or Height, it will only change that value, it won't constrain proportionally, which is what only specifying one value should do	19:38
perlDreamer	It doesn't do that on IM.	19:39
perlDreamer	http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php	19:39
@preaction	weirder and weirder...	19:39
perlDreamer	that seems to say it will scale to the desired value	19:39
perlDreamer	but it's not clear on it	19:40
perlDreamer	do you have a better API ref for IM?	19:40
@preaction	no	19:40
perlDreamer	you're right. Height and width do 1 dimensional scaling only	19:43
perlDreamer	it looks like we'll have to go back to the recompute, and specify both quantities for geometry	19:44
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perlDreamer	preaction: svn head, rev 5156 has my proposed change.	20:13
perlDreamer	Can you GM it for me, please?	20:13
@preaction	will do	20:13
@preaction	succeeds over here	20:14
perlDreamer	sweet. That's two down	20:15
perlDreamer	Group.t passes for me	20:16
perlDreamer	Macro/SQL.t passes	20:16
perlDreamer	Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t passes	20:17
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perlDreamer	Post, WikiPage, Calendar and Collab pass, too	20:18
perlDreamer	they're probably failing due to missing modules	20:19
@preaction	or they failed due to no cleanup after some of the added Photo / GalleryAlbum / Gallery tests	20:21
@preaction	rollback isn't purging its own assets for some reason	20:21
perlDreamer	I don't think those tests would interfere like that, but I could be wrong	20:22
@preaction	the Duplicate entry 'xxx' for ... is caused by a bad asset in the database usually	20:23
perlDreamer	Helps if I read the test output instead of just the summary	20:24
perlDreamer	I'll try rerunning those tests, since they all passed the first time	20:24
perlDreamer	I can run them multiple times here with no problems.	20:33
perlDreamer	I did notice that those 4 failing asset tests fail due to duplicate lineage, with each having the same lineage	20:33
perlDreamer	maybe lineage isn't incrementing properly anymore?	20:33
@preaction	no, it only happens when something else fails, an asset exists in the asset table, but not in assetData or other	20:36
@preaction	so it can't instanciate the asset, and assumes there is no asset there	20:36
@preaction	so when it gets the rank to add a new lineage, it gets an existing rank, and then dies when it tries to insert it	20:37
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perlDreamer	well, that also explains the SQL Macro test. It assumes that no other users are in the db.	20:52
perlDreamer	if one of the tests failed before it could clean up users, then they'd fail	20:53
perlDreamer	here's another data point. the four failing asset tests, Calendar, Collaboration, Post and WikiPage all have their own addChild methods that check for children.	20:55
perlDreamer	and addChild seems to be creating bad kids	20:55
perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m5dc0bf89	20:56
perlDreamer	Note how photo and album have the same lineage	20:56
perlDreamer	and why getParent is failing	20:57
@preaction	that is weird	20:57
perlDreamer	there looks like some extra "child" between gallery and album	20:57
@preaction	looks like the photo is being saved to the album	20:58
perlDreamer	they're siblings with the same lineage, though	20:58
@preaction	they have different assetIds?	20:58
perlDreamer	I'll check	20:59
perlDreamer	but mysql should puke on duplicate lineages	20:59
perlDreamer	hold on, maybe bad pasting on my part	21:00
perlDreamer	nm, lineages are fine	21:02
perlDreamer	the assets are pending, so you can't do a revision date lookup on them	21:44
perlDreamer	that's why getParent returns undef	21:45
perlDreamer	Probably the Gallery, GalleryAlbum and Photo need to be committed under separate version tags	21:46
perlDreamer	but shouldn't commit set the status to approved when the assets are committed?	21:55
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perlDreamer	preaction: do these use auto commit workflows?	22:22
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perlDreamer	I can't wait for named arguments in Perl 6	22:49
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perlDreamer	preaction: permissions.t isn't dying anymore	23:00
perlDreamer	the album and photos were using autocommit tags, and since the autocommit was never committed, they were always	23:01
perlDreamer	pending.	23:01
perlDreamer	so getParent look ups failed due to revisionDate lookups (which require committed assets)	23:01
perlDreamer	In the test, I used skipAutoCommit and placed them in chunks, then rolled back all the version tags at the end	23:02
perlDreamer	It could get away with 1 version tag, but then you'd need several different Photo assets	23:02
perlDreamer	Another way that would work would be to fetch the autocommit tag for each asset and store them in an array to be committed, and rolled back at the end	23:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5161 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/permissions.t:	23:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Make sure that all Assets are created inside of capturable version tags so they	23:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: can be cleaned up at the end of the test.	23:03
perlDreamer	Everything in Photo/*.t needs to be modified to work that way	23:04
@preaction	i could've swore that revisionDate was added at the time of the addRevision	23:04
perlDreamer	it is, but when status=pending the lookup, it returns no revisionDate	23:04
perlDreamer	see Asset/getCurrentRevisionDate	23:05
perlDreamer	Asset->new calls that if no specific revisionDate is supplied	23:06
@preaction	that sounds like it could have other reprocussions	23:07
@preaction	ah, i see. it would only have other reprocussions if we didn't check version tags	23:07
perlDreamer	right	23:07
@preaction	but if a version tag is stuck in spectre, and it's not our working tag, it could cause screwups	23:07
perlDreamer	That's why the Calendar and Collab system have checks for committing the top level Assets.	23:08
@preaction	which is why you have to commit a CS / Calendar before you can add children	23:08
perlDreamer	exactomundo	23:08
@preaction	and i think i forgot to add those checks to the Gallery, so there's a bug that needs to be fixed	23:08
perlDreamer	They may also need addChild checks for valid children, ala Calendar/Collab	23:09
perlDreamer	and to be honest, it probably makes sense to check for a committed parent in there as well.	23:09
perlDreamer	Since single parent families are so prevalent nowadays, and all.	23:10
perlDreamer	Do you want me to publish a bug report, or will you just fix them?	23:10
@preaction	probably publish a bug report, just to remind me. i have to finish writing my first chapter for the developer's guide	23:11
perlDreamer	done	23:13
@preaction	wait. we're part of that working tag, no?	23:18
@preaction	so if we skipAutoCommitWorkflows they get added to our working tag	23:18
perlDreamer	yes	23:19
@preaction	so getCurrentRevisionDate would get a date, and we'd be all hunky-dory	23:19
perlDreamer	right	23:19
perlDreamer	that's what I did to the tests	23:19
@preaction	ah, k	23:19
perlDreamer	the other way is to grab the tagIds from each Asset, commit them and then roll them back at the end of the test	23:19
perlDreamer	(without the skipAuto)	23:19
@preaction	which sounds ugly to me	23:20
perlDreamer	yeah	23:20
perlDreamer	off to the gym, be back in 90	23:20
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elnino	hello. What webgui group must I be a member of to be able to approve version tags?	01:32
perlDreamer	You're using an Approval workflow?	01:32
elnino	yes.	01:32
elnino	the default one.	01:33
perlDreamer	In that workflow, it says which group you have to be a member of.	01:33
elnino	...looking....	01:33
elnino	ok. it says Version Manager. which is what I thought, But I craete an user account that was a memeber of "turn admin on" and Version Manger. And when I go to the inbox and click on the link to view and approve the verstion tag, it tells me that I do not ave sufficent permissions. I'm using 7.3.22	01:35
perlDreamer	Does it work for the Admin user?	01:36
perlDreamer	also, you may want to try that on the demo site and see if you can duplicate it there	01:38
perlDreamer	you may have found a bug	01:38
elnino	oh yeah. I'm admin I can approve all I want. I created this "special account" by request of customer - it can only approve version tags, no content edits are allowed. 'k. Thanks..	01:39
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perlDreamer	wgGuest49: Ask away!	02:17
perlDreamer	preaction: I'm going to start adding versionTag/commits to Photo/00base.t and work my way up from there	02:19
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perlDreamer	teflond0n, you can ask questions too	02:20
teflond0n	One question ;)	02:20
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teflond0n	this one shouldnt be too bad	02:20
teflond0n	is there a way to import usernames and passwords from a csv or database other than from LDAP	02:20
perlDreamer	one time import, or continuous use?	02:21
teflond0n	one time	02:21
teflond0n	continuous would be ok	02:21
perlDreamer	check the sbin directory for a suspiciously named file	02:21
teflond0n	but if we can get the initial import	02:21
teflond0n	we can manually update as needed	02:21
teflond0n	would that be easier than setting up LDAP to work with it?	02:22
perlDreamer	I have never set up LDAP, so I can't say.	02:22
perlDreamer	that script was designed for 1 time imports	02:22
+Radix-wrk	it's called userImport.pl funnily enough	02:23
perlDreamer	are you looking for a single-sign on solution of some kind?	02:23
teflond0n	yea, havent been able to find alot in the wiki or message board on LDAP either	02:23
perlDreamer	or trying to bridge applications?	02:23
teflond0n	well	02:23
teflond0n	to be honest	02:23
teflond0n	I work for a school board	02:23
teflond0n	they have a system set up for email	02:23
+Radix-wrk	the userimport script is pretty self-explanatary - the inbuilt help is very good	02:23
teflond0n	and they want to use the same username / pw combo	02:23
teflond0n	because there are over 500 employees and I dont feel like manually imputting them all	02:24
+Radix-wrk	I used it to import users using csv when I did mine	02:24
teflond0n	ok	02:24
teflond0n	that I can deal with then	02:24
perlDreamer	Radix-wrk, did you do it monthly?	02:24
+Radix-wrk	nah, we did it one off	02:24
perlDreamer	this would need to work on an ongoing basis	02:25
teflond0n	it doesnt have to per say	02:25
teflond0n	If we get the initial import done	02:25
+Radix-wrk	but I also wrote my own userimport which passes the parameters through a url	02:25
perlDreamer	sweet	02:25
+Radix-wrk	it should be in contribs somewhere I think	02:26
teflond0n	whenever we add or remove users I can have the person that setup the email set up webgui users	02:26
teflond0n	awesome - lemme give that a look	02:26
perlDreamer	teflond0n, if you have your own server, you can also make a script which is run on user creation. that script can then add the user to your email app	02:26
+Radix-wrk	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-add-a-webgui-user-via-a-url	02:27
+Radix-wrk	it's pretty straightforward hopefully	02:28
teflond0n	ok - whats the best way to use that?	02:32
perlDreamer	preaction: Photo/00base.t is passing all tests, it even fixed the TODO.	02:33
teflond0n	I'm not a perl wiz	02:33
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patspam	has anyone experienced the wre's logrotate script terminating with Out Of Memory?	05:03
perlmonkey2	Is there an asset that would allow you to blog about something, but only show the first few lines unless the user clicked on the item?	05:06
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+Radix-wrk	collaboration systems can be setup to be weblogs	05:26
+Radix-wrk	by default the normal view in the cs system shows text in the main view until it gets a newline	05:26
perlmonkey2	cool, thanks	05:33
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+perlDreamer	nm, g'night	07:01
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CIA-19	WebGUI: Added version tag with commits and rollback.	07:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Changed SKIP and TODOs to isolate some more tests.	07:03
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:28
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teflond0n	hey guys - if anyones here to answer it I have a pretty easy question... is there an AssetProxy to show upcoming events in a calendar?	16:30
@preaction	assetProxy just displays another asset. do you mean SQLReport? you could make a shortcut to the calendar and override the template if you want	16:31
teflond0n	well I have a small menu bar open for interesting content - i figured it would be nice to show something like events that are coming soon... unless you guys have any other recommendations	16:32
@preaction	SQLReports for assets are nice. you could get any content that's changed in the last X days	16:33
@preaction	of course, they take some development	16:33
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@preaction	have you considered getting online support from plainblack? the friendly gentleman who just joined us can help you do just about anything you want	16:34
teflond0n	yea... and I think we are going into production with the site by the end of the day if all goes according to plan	16:34
@preaction	he can build SQLReports, help with templates, make macros, and plenty of other things	16:34
teflond0n	I purchased 2 books from plainblack - but I think I need the next in the series to get more complicated	16:35
@preaction	the sysadmin's guide?	16:35
teflond0n	yea	16:35
@preaction	or the developer's guide (which is upcoming)	16:35
teflond0n	We purchased the content managers and designers guide...	16:35
teflond0n	I learned a little from both but I learned most of it the hard way before the books came	16:36
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@preaction	the hard way is more fun, but there are things that have such a high barrier to entry that it's almost impossible to learn the hard way	16:37
@preaction	i would group SQLReports for assets and SQLForms in this group (i still don't know how to use the SQLForm)	16:37
@preaction	of course, the Thingy will replace/improve on the SQLForm	16:37
teflond0n	well I am no where near your webgui lvls yet but I think that the online support may be out of our budget	16:38
teflond0n	I'm a fairly new employee so I can't guestimate	16:39
@preaction	ah, $1000/year, which is ...	16:40
@preaction	perlbot math 1000 / 12	16:40
perlbot	83.3333333333333	16:40
teflond0n	not bad...	16:40
teflond0n	I'll talk with my boss about it	16:40
@preaction	that's just the webgui support, which i outlined above	16:40
teflond0n	right	16:41
@preaction	we also have the phone/login support, which is significantly higher, but includes logging in to fix problems on the system itself	16:41
@preaction	https://www.plainblack.com/services/support <- more info, if needed	16:41
teflond0n	but its also access to Administration Guide - and staffed forums	16:41
teflond0n	perlbot math 5000 / 12	16:42
perlbot	416.666666666667	16:42
teflond0n	yea... a bit higher	16:42
@preaction	yeah, the staff forums is the main part. as i said, help with SQLReports, help with building custom macros / assets / etc...	16:42
teflond0n	would be helpful	16:42
teflond0n	well I may be back shortly - I think were fixing to test our luck with the importUser.pl and see if we can get our 500 employees setup	16:43
teflond0n	as always - I appreciate the help guys	16:44
@preaction	good luck indeed, migrating users/content is always fun	16:44
teflond0n	btw - www.ucschools.org	16:44
teflond0n	keep an eye out for it - if its not today - it may be live by the end of the year	16:44
teflond0n	its live now - but I'm redoing the entire site	16:45
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@preaction	i rock the upsell	16:55
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wgGuest58	hello	16:58
@preaction	hello	16:58
wgGuest58	i have a question	16:59
wgGuest58	can i obtain a value from an external database from a user and put it in session as the username,karma etc?	17:00
@preaction	you might be able to using a custom Auth module	17:01
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wgGuest58	I need a session variable with a specific value that i get with a macro, how can i do it?	17:06
@preaction	i don't understand what you mean by "session variable"	17:06
wgGuest58	this value can be used in many parts of my site, but i don't like to call the macro each time that i need it, how can have it in session as a username?	17:09
@preaction	put it in the session scratch once and get it from there	17:09
wgGuest58	how put it in the session scratch?	17:10
@preaction	WebGUI::Session::Scratch module	17:11
wgGuest58	ok	17:11
wgGuest58	another question	17:11
wgGuest58	i have a webgui installation in version 7.3.22 and i want to update it. Can i update it directly to the latest version or first to version 7.4.0 and then for the latest version?	17:13
dionak	i believe you would need to do each version. The upgrade script in webgui updates to each sequential version until it arrives at the latest.	17:14
wgGuest58	ok	17:15
wgGuest58	in a sql form can i create a hidden field that stores the username of the user?	17:17
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dionak	my first thought, without looking, is that you could edit the template and add this hidden field. Perhaps use a macro to populate it.	17:27
wgGuest58	i don't some features from the sql form can i delete them modifying the template?	17:33
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dionak	could you restate that question?	17:38
wgGuest58	If i don't want some features from the sql form, can i delete them modifying the template?	17:40
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dionak	which features are you not wanting?	17:42
wgGuest58	for example the search's field and some of the checkbox	17:43
dionak	i would imagine so but i would have to look at the code. you could just copy the template, edit it real quick and try. sorry but i don't have the code open in front of me. i'm also not a PB dev. You could know in about 5 minutes. Unless someone else wants to chime in?	17:47
perlmonkey2	Would YUI's charts component every be used in WebGUI? It is JS that generates Flash charts. Looks pretty neat, but it is Flash which I have a love hate relationship with.	17:47
@preaction	i imagine if there's a use for it. Frank's been wanting to re-do the project manager for a while, and i've been wanting him to since i have some ideas of my own	17:49
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wgGuest58	how the contributions are created?	17:57
wgGuest58	especially the packages, how is the process?	17:58
perlmonkey2	wgGuest58: I'm not sure how employees do it. But volunteers just talk to Rizen and the rest, hash over what they want to do, and then submit the work for approval to the main tree.	18:01
perlmonkey2	WebGUI is actually a pretty fun code base to work on.	18:01
perlmonkey2	wgGuest58: Preaction usually has all the answers ;)	18:02
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wgGuest58	how can i generate a package with wgpkg extension	18:05
wgGuest58	?	18:05
BartJol	make a package, go to the essat manager and export it	18:07
BartJol	asset	18:07
@preaction	perlbot .co	18:09
perlbot	.co is Colombia	18:09
wgGuest58	the people export an asset, change the code and then generate the package	18:15
@rizen	you make whatever changes you want to make before generating the package	18:17
@rizen	there is a section on how packages are created in the WebGUI Content Managers Guide	18:17
wgGuest58	ok	18:18
wgGuest58	i am going to check	18:18
wgGuest58	thanks all for the help	18:19
wgGuest58	i am new in webgui and i want to exploit all the resources that the webgui has	18:21
BartJol	very good, success	18:23
nuba	s/exploit/explore/?	18:24
@rizen	exploit works too	18:25
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5164 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/download.t: add version tags and commits. Also add 1 dummy test to make the plan happy	19:03
perlmonkey2	Hmm, is there an easy way to reorder items in the navigation bar?	19:40
@preaction	reorder them using the asset manager	19:41
perlmonkey2	preaction: thanks	19:41
@preaction	the number on the side, next to the checkbox. you can drag it around	19:41
perlmonkey2	groovy	19:41
@preaction	question: wouldn't getLineage(['pedigree'], { assetToPedigree => $myasset }); be the same as $myasset->getLineage(['self','ancestors','descendants']); ?	19:42
perlmonkey2	hmm....a few days ago there was a discussion on how to get a user to agree to terms and conditions before participating in a forum. Anyone recall what the consensus was?	20:05
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teflond0n	is the /data folder considered the root of webgui?	21:14
teflond0n	scratch that - which is the webgui config file	21:19
@rizen	preaction: no	21:21
@rizen	teflond0n n	21:21
@rizen	no	21:21
@rizen	the webgui root is /data/WebGUI	21:22
teflond0n	when its asking for --configfile=<webguiConfig> what is the webguiConfig by default?	21:23
teflond0n	would that be the sitename.conf in the etc folder?	21:24
@rizen	yeah, config file would be www.example.com.conf or whatever your site is	21:25
teflond0n	when I try to import using the userImport.pl I am getting Base class package "DateTime" is empty	21:27
teflond0n	and says I might need to 'use' the module which defines it first at ..lib/weGui/datetime.pm lne 20	21:28
teflond0n	any suggestions -	21:29
@preaction	teflond0n, it can't find the DateTime perl module	21:30
@preaction	are you working in the right environment? can you perldoc -l DateTime?	21:30
teflond0n	ls	21:31
teflond0n	sorry i tried to run that command but got no doc found for DateTime	21:32
teflond0n	I see DateTime.pm in the lib/WebGUI folder	21:33
teflond0n	any suggestions	21:46
@preaction	lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm is WebGUI::DateTime. perl is looking for DateTime, which is a perl module you should have from CPAN. it's required for WebGUI to work, so it exists on your system, somewhere	21:47
teflond0n	I browsed to it at lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm	21:48
@preaction	is WebGUI working on your site?	21:48
teflond0n	yep	21:48
@preaction	then you have DateTime	21:49
@preaction	that is not DateTime, that is WebGUI::DateTime. look at the "package" statement at the beginning of that file	21:49
teflond0n	do I need to stop the processes to run the userImport?	21:49
@preaction	no	21:49
teflond0n	right it says user WebGUI::DateTime;	21:50
@preaction	and WebGUI::DateTime requires DateTime	21:51
nuba	teflond0n: did you run /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment ?	21:51
nuba	type at your shell ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment" without the quotes	21:52
nuba	btw that will make sense to you only if you're using the wre	21:52
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teflond0n	I have ran the setenvironment and it still isnt working	22:15
nuba	paste your error at www.pastebin.com and post the url here	22:26
nuba	if your error message is bigger than a couple of lines	22:27
teflond0n	Base class package "DateTime" is empty.	22:33
teflond0n	not sure if that helps	22:35
teflond0n	what all comes with the online support - just whats listed here? https://www.plainblack.com/services/support	22:39
@preaction	just what's there, with the questions at the bottom	22:47
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@preaction	would there ever be a good reason for me to want to join more than one class in a getLineage query? every time i think of one, the where clause for the query gets exponentially more complicated	23:33
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nuba	preaction: you know SQL's IN ? as in "SELECT foo, bar FROM baz WHERE foo IN ( '1', '2', '3');"	00:04
@preaction	yes	00:05
nuba	instead of WHERE foo = '1' OR foo = '2' or foo = '3' etc	00:05
@preaction	right	00:05
nuba	ok	00:05
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@preaction	but let's say we join two classes, Post and Event. If I only want to get Events that have a certain date, i need to do: ( className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Event' and Event.startDate = '...' ) <- enclosed in parens to make sure we don't screw with the Post assets we want	00:07
@preaction	Posts don't have startDate, and if they did, it would be worse, since i'd have to also run the query against Post.startDate (after ensuring the className is Post)	00:08
@preaction	the only time i could think it necessary is when searching for assets, and I think it'd be best to handle that using WebGUI::Search and a decent constrants system (which it has yet to gain, though i've got some ideas)	00:09
nuba	well that suggests me a UNION of queries, too	00:12
nuba	build a select for each class, then have 'em UNIONed	00:13
nuba	that way if you have contraints A,B,C for a given class and D,E for another class, they wont step on each other's shoes.	00:15
@preaction	right, and since we want to keep a single method to get assets from the lineage, would you think it'd be prudent to break getLineage into getLineage and getLineageQuery, so that later the WebGUI::Search module can run getLineageQuery multiple times to get the queries for all the assets, and run them using UNIONs	00:15
@rizen	nuba, are you still working on the mapping system?	00:15
nuba	rizen: yes	00:16
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@rizen	sweet	00:20
@rizen	how's it coming along	00:20
nuba	rizen: i have the mid-january deadline for it :/	00:21
@rizen	preaction, there should be no reason to have a getLineageQuery at all if we build a good constraints system in the search interface	00:21
nuba	thats a government-issued deadline btw	00:21
@rizen	oh yeah? your government is going to use it?	00:21
nuba	its the deadline for delivering the website with that feature in my project's schedule, which is government-funded.	00:21
@rizen	sweet	00:22
nuba	so that bumped the priority up quite a good amount	00:24
nuba	in my work plate	00:24
@rizen	i'm glad to hear they are funding it's development	00:24
nuba	i think i've told you before about it	00:25
nuba	from my irlcogs: #webgui.2007-06.log:16:10 < nuba> ok, let me outline the project a bit. this is a grant i've got from the government, to build a portal dedicated to whats called by unesco 'untangible heritage'	00:26
@rizen	yeah you briefly explained the project you were working on	00:26
nuba	i meant UNESCO	00:26
nuba	by then	00:26
nuba	yep	00:26
nuba	oops, irclogs*	00:27
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perlDreamer	You ever have one of those days where your boss tells you to do something	01:05
perlDreamer	But it isn't really what he wants	01:05
@preaction	all the time	01:05
perlDreamer	so when you give him what you asked for	01:05
perlDreamer	you get busted?	01:05
@preaction	yeah, i can definately relate to that	01:05
nuba	everyone can in a certain level	01:05
@rizen	yeah, my boss is a real dick	01:06
@preaction	oh come off it, vrby is a good guy	01:06
@rizen	vrby's not the boss of me	01:06
@rizen	=)	01:06
@preaction	Red Tape!	01:06
perlDreamer	I'm gonna tell Sarah you said that.	01:06
@preaction	i'm gonna tell Vrby you said that :p	01:07
@rizen	oooooh	01:07
@rizen	she's standing right here	01:07
perlDreamer	sarah!	01:07
perlDreamer	Hey!	01:07
@rizen	she's taking offense	01:07
perlDreamer	JT's ragging on you!	01:07
perlDreamer	He says you have stinky armpit hair and nag on him all day long	01:07
@rizen	ha! she walked away before you typed that last part	01:08
perlDreamer	I'll text her instead	01:08
dionak_	smart sarah	01:09
nuba	every man's boss is a real dick if you take Sigmund Freud's words seriously	01:09
@rizen	come on preaction, we have our good an bad days, but our worst days are still better than any other place you've ever worked i'm guessing	01:09
nuba	he's the one who proposed "sexual desire as the primary motivational energy of human life"	01:09
@rizen	i know they are for me	01:09
@preaction	i'm not complaining, i'm more proactive than colin: I'll get clarification when I know that i'm being asked for something I know the boss doesn't really want	01:11
@preaction	hence the specs	01:11
perlDreamer	oh no, he's prefectly clear the first time	01:12
perlDreamer	"Go and run a simulation that answers this question".	01:12
perlDreamer	Here's the answer	01:12
perlDreamer	"That's not what I want"	01:12
@preaction	and then you ask "so you want me to answer this question?"	01:12
@preaction	if they say "yes", get it on tape	01:12
perlDreamer	I should	01:13
perlDreamer	My MP3 player has a voice recorder	01:13
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nuba	heh	01:13
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perlDreamer	preaction: I'm stuck on an t/..../Photo/editSave bug. Do you have a few minutes?	01:29
@preaction	sure	01:29
perlDreamer	let me commit this	01:29
perlDreamer	HEAD/5165	01:30
perlDreamer	when I run this, I'm still getting a fatal (can't call prepare on an undefined)	01:30
@preaction	because there's no templateIdViewAlbum in the Gallery	01:33
perlDreamer	there's no default, it always has to be specified?	01:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5165 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/editSave.t: Added versionTags and commits. Still having some problems, though.	01:33
@preaction	there's no default currently, i mean, there could be if you open up the package that contains the assets and add those assetIds to the Gallery	01:34
@preaction	which i can do quick	01:34
perlDreamer	that would help a lot	01:35
@preaction	run this query for me and give me one of the assetIds it gives you? just making sure of something	01:35
@preaction	elect namespace,assetId from template where namespace LIKE "Gallery%"	01:35
perlDreamer	http://webgui.pastebin.com/m4d38e826	01:36
@preaction	good, they're the same (even though i should just trust the package system for that)	01:37
perlDreamer	Are wG::Test::Maker objects smart? In other words, it looks like you're running permission and HTML tests with the same object.	01:38
@preaction	yup	01:39
@preaction	wait, like how? i believe i made it so you could only run either permission / html tests on the same method	01:39
@preaction	it's the method that's the thing	01:39
@preaction	i mean, if you're running a permission test, you don't need a regex	01:39
@preaction	though i realize there's that "doesn't look like a regex" and i think that's because it's not qr//, but i think it also has to be quotemeta too. i don't know if it's even possible to do what i want	01:40
@preaction	it might have to be an is() test	01:40
perlDreamer	it would be nice if there was an index test primitive so you don't have to muck with the regexes.	01:43
perlDreamer	Does the string contain this substring?	01:44
perlDreamer	is() won't work unless you set the user styles to be empty	01:44
@preaction	i was thinking it would, because we get what the privilege output should be right before we test the method, so everything should be the same between them (the session asset shouldn't change)	01:45
perlDreamer	I see. Maker::HTML calls the expected privilege method instead of just doing a substring match on the privilege message like I did in the Session/Privilege tests.	01:47
@preaction	i've been trying to design future-resistent tests	01:48
@preaction	Test::Deep is a great tool when it comes to that	01:48
@preaction	commmitted the default assetIds	01:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5166 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm: fix: Added default assetIds for templates	01:48
perlDreamer	thanks	01:48
perlDreamer	with test_privilege doing an is, it just fails now	01:49
perlDreamer	I'll try to diagnose why	01:49
@preaction	eh, if you just change it to do a simple regex on a magic string for now, i'd be cool with it. it's the interface that's more important (maybe in the future we can figure it out)	01:50
perlDreamer	it's not using the same asset for both lookups	01:54
perlDreamer	I'm not sure why	01:54
perlDreamer	were these passing before the merge?	01:54
@preaction	no, couldn't figure out why	01:55
@preaction	but i think it's because it's not setting $session->asset in WebGUI::Test->getPage	01:55
@preaction	and then it would also have to set the asset when getting the privilege text to test	01:55
@preaction	(and restore the asset in both cases, or just do it in the Test::Maker::HTML)	01:56
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perlDreamer	on to the test_regex. if you call editSave, it will create a new object? How do we get a handle on that so that it can be committed and rolled back?	01:58
@preaction	editSave will commit... well, requestCommit automatically (due to processPropertiesFromFormPost)	01:58
@preaction	theoretically purging the album will purge the photos	01:59
@preaction	and purging all assets in a version tag will rollback the version tag	01:59
@preaction	so also theoretically, purging the Gallery will clean up everything for us	01:59
perlDreamer	purging all assets in a version tag will cause the version tag to roll back? I didn't know there was a hook for that.	01:59
@preaction	AssetTrash line 191	02:00
perlDreamer	sweet!	02:01
@preaction	but also rolling back a version tag should purge the Gallery, which will purge the Album and Photos	02:02
@preaction	look at AssetTrash line 136, shouldn't we need to get pending, approved, and/or archived assets as well?	02:03
@preaction	as it is, it looks like it will only get approved assets	02:03
perlDreamer	that may be a bug	02:04
@preaction	i'll post it and see if someone else agrees	02:07
perlDreamer	For now, I'd like to mark all of the Maker tests as SKIP until you can get test_permission and other issues worked out. Does that sound okay?	02:08
@preaction	sure	02:09
perlDreamer	I'll try to get as many of the others working as possible	02:09
@preaction	feel free to be heavy with the TODO: blocks	02:09
perlDreamer	well, none of editSave tests are working, so I just did skip_all on them.	02:10
perlDreamer	But I'll mark other individual tests as necessary	02:10
perlDreamer	Maybe we should start with some Test::Maker tests? ;)	02:11
@preaction	perhaps ;)	02:14
@preaction	i'm starting to think it might be better to use use Test::Deep and make a Test::Deep::Cmp for things like privilege and such	02:14
@preaction	but then again, Test::Maker does abstract away the whole calling of getPage	02:15
perlDreamer	Is there a lot of getPage setup?	02:16
@preaction	not really, it just passes right on	02:16
perlDreamer	according to t..../Photo/exif.t, Photo.pm needs to subclass setFile to add exif data.	02:17
perlDreamer	that's not happening at all right now	02:18
@preaction	ah, i think i forgot to tell the rest of the system that we're not caching exif data at the moment	02:18
@preaction	the exif data contains stuff that JSON doesn't like at all (like scalar refs)	02:19
@preaction	i'll remove those two tests	02:19
@preaction	actually, i'll fix this test right. it'll take me just a couple minutes	02:21
@preaction	5167 has my fixes for that exif.t stuff	02:34
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5167 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/exif.t: fix: these tests pass now	02:48
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nuba	There's also google's chart API at http://code.google.com/apis/chart/	17:17
nuba	No javascript there, no api keys, its quite simple to use	17:18
nuba	requires some data and url munging	17:18
@preaction	they're just images too, which would probably be a good plugin to the webgui chart API	17:18
nuba	may not enjoy the fact that they're public, and hosted elsewhere	17:19
nuba	yes if you go the plugin route, that's a nice-to-have one, too	17:19
@preaction	it is pluggable though, martin wrote it that way (from what I know)	17:20
nuba	so ive heard at the dev list. I haven't checked the webgui's graphing features yet.	17:20
@preaction	plus you might want to add the Google one to the discussion on the forums, it might end up being a better solution even than using ImageMagick	17:21
nuba	yeah	17:21
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wgGuest84	hi	17:40
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wgGuest73	hello	18:23
wgGuest73	can i create in a sql form a default field that stores a value?	18:25
wgGuest73	I want to create several sql form in my site and all of them need that default field	18:26
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wgGuest73	can i create in a sql form a default field that stores a value?	18:42
perlDreamer	Is the user allowed to change the default, or is it the same all the time?	18:43
wgGuest73	is the same all the time	18:44
perlDreamer	Try looking at the form options ReadOnly, or Hidden	18:44
perlDreamer	I'm not sure if SQLForm supports them, but in WebGUI speak that's how you'd do it.	18:44
wgGuest73	i am going to check	18:46
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wgGuest73	the value of this default field can be assigned with a macro	18:57
perlDreamer	Is that a question or a statement?	18:58
wgGuest73	excuseme, question	18:58
perlDreamer	I _think_ that SQL Form fields evaluate macros.	18:59
wgGuest73	as the username is a session value can i assign too?	19:02
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5168 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/ (editSave.t makeResolutions.t): add version tags and commits to makeResolutions. Most tests fail anyway	19:03
perlDreamer	No, the username is fixed and depends on which user is logged in at the time.	19:03
wgGuest73	and if I have another information in session how can i put it in the dafault value?	19:06
wgGuest73	default field?	19:06
nuba	wgGuest73: maybe you would like to assign the current session's username to a field, is that the case?	19:06
perlDreamer	wgGuest73: there is only access to a limited subset of the session variable inside templates and macros. You'll need to be very specific as to what you want.	19:07
wgGuest73	can i use for example session->username() to put a value in the default field?	19:07
perlDreamer	No, but you can use ^@;, which is the username macro	19:08
wgGuest73	ok	19:13
wgGuest73	thanks for your help	19:14
perlDreamer	You're welcome!	19:14
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5169 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/makeShortcut.t:	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Added commit and rollback.	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Skip'ed two tests, one which uses test_permissions and another which uses a Shortcut	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: method which does not exist.	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5170 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/setFile.t:	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Added commits and skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Test can be run multiple times.	19:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: First test is failing.	19:18
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5171 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/Photo/view.t:	19:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: Fixed a typo (Photo wants to be a child of Album, not Gallery).	19:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: Added commit and skipAutoCommitWorkflows.	19:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: No tests in here.	19:33
nuba	whoa, ran out of memory while batch-creating lots of colab assets w/ lots of posts	19:35
perlDreamer	How many is "lots"?	19:36
nuba	using a script based on WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton, not a lot added there	19:36
nuba	is a WebGUI::Session memory-hungry-prone?	19:36
nuba	let me check the numbers..	19:36
perlDreamer	They can all use the same session.	19:37
nuba	total of 112 colab assets, having a total of 2654 posts w/ pics	19:38
perlDreamer	Are you using the Post's autoCommitWorkflow (the default)?	19:39
nuba	adding files to each's post storage with addFileFromFilesystem	19:39
nuba	yes	19:39
perlDreamer	So that would generate 2654 Spectre requests	19:40
perlDreamer	really quickly	19:40
nuba	it was the import script which ran out of memory	19:40
nuba	not the box	19:40
nuba	the utility script aborted with perl's "Out of memory!" message	19:40
perlDreamer	I've never done anything on that scale, so I'd try posting to the dev mailing list.	19:41
perlDreamer	The PB staff does stuff like that all the time, so they may have a better idea of what's up.	19:41
perlDreamer	either that, or if you paste the script I can take a look at it	19:45
nuba	well all my test runs with small amount worked fine, and since i need to wrap this job quickly i'll just whip a bash script to call my perl script 112 times	19:46
nuba	small amounts*	19:46
perlDreamer	good idea	19:46
nuba	but thanks for the offer anyway	19:46
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5172 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/Image/setfile.t: commit the version tag	19:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5173 /WebGUI/t/Asset/File/setfile.t: commit the version tag	19:48
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5174 /WebGUI/t/_test.skeleton: END at the end	20:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5175 /WebGUI/t/Asset/AssetTrash.t: Adding a basic AssetTrash test to quickly check the purge method.	20:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5176 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/00base.t:	20:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Commit the workflow.	20:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Use the skipAutoCommitWorkflow switch.	20:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: AssetTrash->purge does not set the invocant to be undef, only its copy.	20:03
nuba	perlDreamer: still around?	20:16
perlDreamer	yup	20:18
nuba	perlDreamer: this is the first time im writing a utility script w/ collab assets, can you please check if its all there or if im missing something?	20:18
nuba	its there http://pastebin.com/m35ca1d1f	20:18
perlDreamer	sure	20:18
nuba	i remember reading something about "mustn't forget to $post->postProcess;" somewhere	20:19
nuba	guess it was here on the channel	20:20
perlDreamer	I see one problem right off the bat. No version tags.	20:20
nuba	its on line 76	20:20
perlDreamer	Before making the collab, add this line	20:20
perlDreamer	You may need to commit the Collab before adding Threads to it	20:25
perlDreamer	Is the script dying on calling the postProcess call?	20:25
perlDreamer	actually, what problem are you seeing?	20:25
nuba	after uploading about half the stuff the script printed "Out of memory!" to STDERR and died	20:26
perlDreamer	this is after the bash loop, too?	20:26
nuba	no, this is the doing-it-all-in-a-single-run script	20:27
nuba	now, there is this error at webgui.log: 2007/12/21 15:44:19 - ERROR - www2.aviva.com.br.conf - main::[[undef]] - Caught exception executing workflow activity pbwfactivity0000000006 for instance qUdN1u5wNA-BU0vkyimGQw which reported Can't call method "get" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm line 306.	20:28
nuba	for every post I add	20:28
nuba	still, the post seems normal	20:28
perlDreamer	the Post needs a committed parent Collab	20:28
perlDreamer	now, if you were to use skipAutoCommitWorkflows, it may work just fine	20:28
perlDreamer	and just commit the whole thing at the end	20:29
nuba	i'll try that, commiting after adding the colab, then set another version tag, and add posts, and commit it too	20:31
nuba	thanks for checking the code, feedback is appreciated	20:32
nuba	the feedback*, im not implying i want more feedback on it :)	20:33
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perlDreamer	nuba, unless you set skipAutoCommitWorkflows in the Post, adding the 2nd versionTag won't do anything	20:41
perlDreamer	All you really need to do is commit the Collab	20:41
perlDreamer	Hail, rizen	20:43
perlDreamer	Be well :)	20:43
@rizen	don't hail me	20:43
@rizen	or i'll tornado you	20:43
@rizen	=)	20:43
perlDreamer	Well, in that case...	20:43
perlDreamer	$self->connectToBotNet->flood('rizen');	20:44
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5177 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/addArchive.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. This test runs, but is failing all tests	20:48
perlDreamer	rizen, is there any way to say that tests have to be run out of /data/WebGUI?	20:52
@rizen	you mean a policy, or codewise?	20:53
perlDreamer	Well, if we have a policy, then the code would only work there.	20:53
@rizen	i mean policy as in something we put in the wiki	20:53
perlDreamer	Okay, then yes, policy	20:54
@rizen	sure, but what would the reason for the policy be?	20:54
perlDreamer	Getting rid of use lib "$FindBin::Bin/../../../lib";	20:55
@rizen	and there's no other way that we could do it so we wouldn't need to include that in every file?	20:57
@rizen	isn't there a master class that all tests inherit from, that's how we get $session	20:58
@rizen	so technically, wouldn't we only need to find lib once?	20:58
perlDreamer	Let me think outload for a sec.	20:58
perlDreamer	The problem use lib FindBin solves is to find WebGUI::Test so it can set up lib paths and a session.	20:58
perlDreamer	as an aside, Parrot has this problem, too. And it's not easy to solve.	20:59
@rizen	actually, what am i thinking	20:59
@rizen	we don't even deed find bin	20:59
@rizen	we have an environment variable that has the path to the config file	20:59
@rizen	so we can parse that to find where the webgui root is	21:00
@rizen	either that, or we could just require a second env var that tells us where webgui root is	21:00
perlDreamer	we could append the path to PERL5LIB	21:01
perlDreamer	that's just another way of doing the same thing	21:01
@rizen	ok i guess my official opinion is that even though i recommend everyone use /data	21:03
@rizen	not everyone does	21:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5178 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/delete.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Update the use lib path. Skip test_permission tests. Most tests are failing.	21:03
@rizen	and if we can do it without forcing people to use that	21:03
@rizen	and still keep it easy for dev sake	21:03
@rizen	then lets do that	21:03
@rizen	however, if its a totally unsolvable problem without creating headaches for us	21:04
@rizen	then we can create a policy	21:04
@rizen	fair enough?	21:04
perlDreamer	Very fair	21:04
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5179 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/permission.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Update the use lib path. Skip test_permission tests. All tests are skipped.	21:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5180 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/ (slideshow.t thumbnails.t rss.t): fix all the FindBin paths	21:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5181 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/rss.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Add a TODO test as a placeholder.	21:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5182 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/slideshow.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Add a TODO test as a placeholder.	21:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5183 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t: Commit the version tag, add skipAutoCommitWorkflow. Fix syntax errors. Set the plan. Half the tests are failing	21:18
perlDreamer	very close to having the test suite back into shape	21:19
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@rizen	what made it out of shape? was it the gallery?	21:31
perlDreamer	yeah	21:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5184 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/ (thumbnails.t addArchive.t):	21:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: Added skipAutoCommitWorkflow, committed the versionTag.	21:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: addArchive seems to create a new revision, so stuff it inside the existing versionTag	21:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5185 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Gallery/ (6 files): fix use lib paths	21:33
@rizen	why are you fixing it	21:35
@rizen	that's doug's job	21:35
@rizen	preaction...why are you lettting him fix it	21:35
perlDreamer	I volunteered	21:36
@rizen	the client is paying us to build this thing	21:36
@rizen	they'll pay to fix those problems as well	21:36
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5186 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/Gallery/ (7 files):	00:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Remove all tests with no internal tests, or that are exact copies of GalleryAlbum tests.	00:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Update 00base.t to test the Gallery instead of the GalleryAlbum.	00:03
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CIA-19	WebGUI: Add tests to cover fixId and one test for fixTitle.	01:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Fix a bug where fixId would pass integers of any length.	01:18
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nuba	is package importing (.wbpkg files) currently working?	20:23
nuba	i uncompressed and inspected a .wbpkg file and its all there, but when importing in another site running under the same WRE I get just a empty folder called 'Folder'	20:25
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5190 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm:	07:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Untab canAdd and canEdit.	07:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Tweak the POD docs for formatting.	07:48
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CIA-19	WebGUI: Extend WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permission to handle class methods, like Asset->canAdd and Operations.	01:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Add canEdit and canAdd tests to Asset.t	01:48
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5192 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add some more users for testing canAdd and canEdit	03:48
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CIA-19	WebGUI: Convert WebGUI::International to use blocky eval instead of stringy eval.	08:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Add 1 test for getLanguage to check for refactoring.	08:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5195 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm: convert AssetLineage from stringy to blocky eval	09:03
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SDuensin	Merry Festivus!	20:41
nuba	Happy Chrismukkah too	20:46
nuba	there's also the Kwaanza that goes from Dec 26 to Jan 1st, for pan-africanism practitioners	20:50
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CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5197 /WebGUI/ (13 files in 8 dirs): fixed a bunch of GalleryAlbum/Photo tests	02:48
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+perlDreamer	preaction: Wanna talk alternating styles?	06:47
@preaction	i don't understand it myself	06:48
+perlDreamer	me, too	06:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5198 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm:	06:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Fix a failing International.t test I caused.	06:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: WGBP the conditionals in getLanguages	06:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Fix a typo in a comment	06:48
+perlDreamer	I'm going to try setting up HEAD, and using wget just to fetch the style sheet	06:48
+perlDreamer	try to take the browser out of the equation	06:48
@preaction	i would venture to guess that FF doesn't like the response it gets when checking if the CSS is stale	06:49
+perlDreamer	So what would be different in 5131 and earlier?	06:49
@preaction	which causes the CSS to not be displayed, then the next time it requests the full CSS again	06:49
@preaction	URL/Content handlers i guess	06:49
@preaction	there were some other problems with them that I fixed, but afaik there is no testing apparatus in place yet	06:49
+perlDreamer	I think you're right	06:51
+perlDreamer	(about the testing)	06:51
+perlDreamer	and wget gets the file every time	06:51
+perlDreamer	if I try just to get the css in Firefox, then it just returns me to the homepage	06:53
@preaction	eh, the real question is how COULD one test it? you could set up a page layout with a known description and the blank style	06:53
@preaction	that's weird	06:53
@preaction	that shouldn't happen	06:53
+perlDreamer	that's how I did Session::Privileges	06:53
+perlDreamer	WWW::Mech would be good for testing URL/Content	06:54
@preaction	the CSS comes up just fine for me, unless i have cache disabled	06:54
+perlDreamer	what happens if you disable the cache?	06:54
@preaction	cache disabled it works fine	06:55
@preaction	but if i just reload, i get the home page	06:55
@preaction	if i shift+reload, i get the CSS again	06:55
+perlDreamer	so you can duplicate the bug?	06:57
@preaction	i think it has to do with line 118	06:57
@preaction	yes	06:57
@preaction	118 of WebGUI::Content::Asset	06:57
@preaction	returns Apache2::Const::OK; but WebGUI::Url::Content doesn't handle that case	06:57
@preaction	that's weird, LiveHTTPHeaders shows that i'm getting 404, but it's not showing up in the webgui log	07:00
+perlDreamer	and wget says that I got a 200 OK for all requests	07:01
+perlDreamer	but maybe it ignores 304 and does another GET.	07:02
@preaction	can you send an If-Modified-Since header? i think that's the problem	07:02
+perlDreamer	Do you mean send it in wget? If so, then no.	07:05
@preaction	i just shot a few things in the dark, but i think i fixed it	07:08
+perlDreamer	committed?	07:08
@preaction	it does mean that JT and/or someone is going to need to specify a protocol for Url and Content handlers	07:08
@preaction	it is now	07:09
@preaction	i remember reading something about 404 being the default mod_perl responce unless you send something better	07:10
+perlDreamer	yup, it works here, too	07:10
+perlDreamer	the only strange error I get now is a JS error with cool_menus	07:11
@preaction	coolmenus suck, and i think with the new YUI Menu module we can finally get rid of the damned thing	07:11
+perlDreamer	sounds good	07:11
@preaction	what would you think if you could create multiple views for an SQLReport, giving them each a different template and style?	07:12
@preaction	i've got an idea to build a Report framework sort of thing, that allows multiple view configurations and multiple view methods (view all, view paginated, search)	07:13
@preaction	something that can be extended to make writing reports easier	07:13
+perlDreamer	Kind of like moving the shortcut/override functionality into the SQL Report?	07:14
@preaction	imho, something that other web frameworks have that we don't: easily extensible application / asset classes	07:14
@preaction	ha, we do have shortcuts	07:14
+perlDreamer	well, it might be more efficient if it was moved into the asset.	07:15
+perlDreamer	get the data once, display in several reports	07:15
@preaction	plus the additional feature of different view methods, makes it into a sort of "build your own application with this data"	07:15
@preaction	i was writing some SQLReports to do RSS feeds, which is kinda ... extreme	07:16
+perlDreamer	yes it is	07:16
+perlDreamer	that's how I implemented an RSS feed for podcasts on the church site	07:16
@preaction	but if i could write a report framework, write a new report class for that data (special client database connection), then instead of an SQLReport, i can configure a new ClientDataReport view (ClientData being some descriptive name of whatever)	07:17
@preaction	componentalize, if that's a word, assets	07:17
@preaction	SubscribeFramework, ReportFramework, FeedFramework	07:17
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5199 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (URL/Content.pm Content/Asset.pm): proposed fix for strange cache issue	07:18
+perlDreamer	Is the FeedFramework different from the Asset/RSS module mix-ins?	07:18
@preaction	the RSSCapable and RSSFromParent are going to be removed someday, JT's not a fan and neither am I really. RSSCapable is a good idea with a bad implementation. RSSFromParent is just stupid	07:19
@preaction	but, it'd be along the lines of RSSCapable	07:19
+perlDreamer	in that case, generalized interfaces for subscription to assets, reports and RSS is a great idea	07:20
@preaction	depending on the Widgitizing framework thing that Frank and (i think) Chris did	07:20
@preaction	the widgitizing thing might fulfill the same hole	07:20
+perlDreamer	I haven't heard anything about that	07:22
@preaction	i haven't heard anything outside of it exists / will exist	07:22
@preaction	something like Google's widgit things	07:22
@preaction	only bolted into webgui, available for any asset	07:23
+perlDreamer	cool	07:24
@preaction	i hope. i worry a lot about seemingly simple things being added	07:24
@preaction	but then, i worry about API / forward-compatibility far too much	07:25
+perlDreamer	more than the 5 year guarantee?	07:25
+perlDreamer	or being stuck with a bad API for so long?	07:25
@preaction	yes	07:25
@preaction	so much so that i've been dreaming up ways to change API but keep compatibility, and do so in a nice Perly way	07:26
+perlDreamer	speaking of Perly ways, have you been following the whole 5.10 stuff?	07:27
@preaction	not quite. i heard there were a couple bumps, but otherwise everything is a-ok	07:30
@preaction	i'm far more interested in the parrot developers getting over some major roadblocks	07:31
+perlDreamer	well, NQP is finally out the door, with enough oomph to keep the perl6 compiler guys busy for a while	07:31
+perlDreamer	that should help a lot	07:31
+perlDreamer	and, as time goes by, more and more perl6 gets backported to perl5	07:31
@preaction	which is kinda weird imho	07:31
+perlDreamer	yeah, but we've needed say and // for a long time	07:32
+perlDreamer	also, schwern has released this: http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/35206	07:32
@preaction	why //? oh.. defined-or	07:32
@preaction	auto-vivication ftw	07:32
+perlDreamer	"ftw" ?	07:33
@preaction	For The Win	07:33
@preaction	(in a sarcastic sense here)	07:33
+perlDreamer	gotcha ;)	07:33
@preaction	Method::Signatures is interesting, as long as we don't start getting "private method new ()"	07:34
@preaction	god... it'll look just like Java...	07:34
+perlDreamer	ew	07:34
@preaction	Class::InsideOut is a mistake imho. the problem it solves but the obfuscation it causes is worse	07:35
@preaction	haven't looked at Moose though	07:35
+perlDreamer	I've heard that Moose is slow-ish.	07:35
@preaction	wouldn't doubt it	07:36
+perlDreamer	but I think the Perl 6 object model was based on it, or vice versa	07:36
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+perlDreamer	crap: http://www.xconomy.com/2007/12/20/a-big-drop-in-the-bucket-for-drupal/	07:50
@preaction	good on them, but it's still PHP	07:52
+perlDreamer	I agree, but 7e6 pays for a lot of nursing school.	07:53
@preaction	yeah, a little bit	07:53
+perlDreamer	I had another idea for Maker::Permission output.	08:02
+perlDreamer	Right now it tells you which userId, which method, and which module it is testing	08:02
+perlDreamer	but each user is usually there for a reason	08:02
+perlDreamer	I am Visitor, I am an Editor, I have Turn On Admin privileges	08:03
+perlDreamer	It would be nice to see that in the comments rather than the userId, perhaps via username.	08:03
+perlDreamer	my $role = $user->username ? $user->username : $userId	08:03
@preaction	are spaces legal in usernames?	08:03
@preaction	even so, i agree	08:04
+perlDreamer	I think they're legal	08:04
@preaction	userId is basically useless	08:04
@preaction	except for 3 and 1	08:04
+perlDreamer	yeah	08:04
+perlDreamer	that's what the magic number page on the wiki is for	08:04
+perlDreamer	My old form validator would be well written using the Test::Maker framework	08:08
CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5200 /WebGUI/t/ (3 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed)	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: WebGUI::Test::Maker::Permission will now use usernames instead of userIds in comments	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: if they are available.	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Move the getLanguage test out of the SKIP block dependent on install the PigLatin	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: language pack.	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Update Maker users with usernames in Asset.t	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: Add tests for assetAddPrivileges. These tests currently cause the Turn On Admin	08:18
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5201 /branch/photogallery: Delete photogallery branch since it's been merged into Core	08:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: doug * r5202 /branch/doug-experimental: Creating my own experimental branch	08:33
@preaction	i think i should set up a bash script / cron job that will automatically check in my changes to my experimental branch to make sure they're kept	08:37
+perlDreamer	Sounds like a Tina Tuner song	08:40
+perlDreamer	I have my private branches	08:40
+perlDreamer	branches for money	08:40
+perlDreamer	Boy, am I really dating myself	08:40
@preaction	yeah... that's a few decades before my time ;p	08:43
+perlDreamer	Watch it sonny, I'll whap you with my cane.	08:43
+perlDreamer	I'm liking Maker::Permission more and more	08:46
@preaction	yeah, i rewrote the Photo permissions tests in 10 minutes ;)	08:46
+perlDreamer	time for board torture	08:47
+perlDreamer	g'night	08:47
@preaction	night	08:47
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CIA-19	WebGUI: WGBP indent Asset::canView.	08:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Add coverage tests for canView.	08:48
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teflond0n	whats the best way to go about putting webgui on a fresh install and importing your previous work on the site	15:27
teflond0n	the box i had it on died - i can still boot as a firewire drive	15:28
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teflond0n	where is the main webgui log located?	15:55
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AMH_bob	I'd guess /var/log/webgui.log	16:10
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wgGuest38	if you reinstall webgui do you have to go through the process of creating a new sql database	16:24
+Radix_	depends why you reinstalled :)	16:48
+Radix_	if you already have a mysql database and it's the same version of webgui, then you can reuse your old one (assuming it's not corrupted or anything)	16:49
wgGuest38	pc wouldnt boot past load screen	16:52
wgGuest38	but now sql will start and modperl wont :P	16:52
+Radix_	okay.... before you reinstall..	16:54
+Radix_	try rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache/	16:54
+Radix_	then restart	16:54
+Radix_	that will delete the cache and any temporary files - which can sometimes cause startup issues	16:55
+Radix_	if that doesn't work.. look at the modperl log file	16:55
wgGuest38	Wish I would have had that info before - Already working on getting it set back up.	16:58
wgGuest38	I did copy the entire /data folder for backup - now its just a matter of getting everything running and that back in there...	16:58
wgGuest38	checked the log and it had nothing in it	16:58
wgGuest38	mod perl and mod proxy wont start but reinstalling fixed sql	17:01
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wgGuest75	hello	17:24
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wgGuest75	I have Anonymous Registration enabled, and I want to put a macro in the Default WebGUI Anonymous Registration Template	17:27
wgGuest75	but the macro will be executed when the user saves your information	17:28
wgGuest75	My question is where will be it called?	17:29
+Radix_	Hmm.. sounds like you want a workflow, not a macro	17:33
+Radix_	if you want something to be called only when you first sign up, then you can do this through a workflow I'm pretty sure	17:33
wgGuest75	but I can put a macro or is not posible?	17:35
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teflond0n	is it possible to just readd a site by dragging the old files into webgui ?	17:42
teflond0n	I mean I have already created the site in webgui - I just need to reimport the files so to speak	17:42
+Radix_	yeah, you will need the domains directory and all the config files to be copied across too	17:43
+Radix_	the ones I can think of that you'll need are /data/WebGUI/etc /data/wre/etc and /data/wre/var	17:44
+Radix_	assuming you're using the wre that is	17:44
teflond0n	what exactly do you mean using the wre	17:44
+Radix_	do you have a /data/wre/ directory?	17:45
teflond0n	yes	17:46
+Radix_	wre = webgui runtime environment	17:46
teflond0n	gotcha	17:46
teflond0n	is that different than the webgui web interface for the console?	17:46
+Radix_	Oh.. hmm.. actually I haven't used the new web interface stuff - so I don't know how that works or if it does it differently	17:47
+Radix_	I'm still using 0.7.1 of the wre here :)	17:48
teflond0n	I dont blame you - once I get this working I won't mess with it :P	17:49
wgGuest75	and now i have already a workflow assigned each a time a new user registers in my site	17:52
wgGuest75	can i put both at the same time?	17:53
wgGuest75	can i create a workflow and inside it calls another workflow?	17:58
wgGuest75	or workflows?	17:58
+Radix_	I think the interface only allows you to link it to one workflow, but I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to call another workflow from the workflow itself.	17:59
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wgGuest75	i was checking the Default WebGUI Anonymous Registration Template and i want to know where are templates variables defined to create the form?	18:03
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wgGuest80	radix	18:10
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teflondon	radix	18:11
teflondon	do you know of any other folders i would need to copy over	18:11
teflondon	other than the etc var and the other etc	18:11
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teflondon	does anyone know of any cool things you can do with RandomAssetProxy other than just cycling random images	19:17
BartJol	well	19:17
BartJol	I once made an article, with some pageurl macro's	19:18
nuba	cycling random text snippets?	19:18
BartJol	oh, that was the assetproxy	19:19
BartJol	yes like random links	19:19
teflondon	text snippets would be fine	19:19
teflondon	I have a small space I need to fill up with something education related.... famous quotes would work	19:19
teflondon	ok - and now for the bigger problem	19:21
teflondon	I am trying to import a list of usernames & pws	19:21
teflondon	I know I should be able to do it using userImport.pl but I haven't had much luck with that yet	19:22
teflondon	anyone have any suggestions?	19:22
BartJol	eh, some patience, I will look	19:26
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BartJol	but what's gonig weong?	19:30
BartJol	wrong	19:30
teflondon	sec and I will try to get you the error msg	19:43
teflondon	saying base class package "DateTime" is empty (perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first) at ../lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm	19:46
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+perlDreamer	teflondon: which version are you using?	19:48
teflondon	8.0	19:48
teflondon	0.8.0 i mean	19:49
+perlDreamer	webgui version?	19:49
teflondon	whats the easiest way to tell	19:50
nuba	webgui version or wre version?	19:50
teflondon	webgui	19:50
+perlDreamer	as admin, to into the admin console and hit Statistics	19:51
teflondon	7.4.19	19:51
nuba	or else, hit any page of your webgui setup, and check the source for a line like this:	19:52
nuba	<meta name="generator" content="WebGUI 7.4.19" />	19:52
teflondon	gotcha	19:52
nuba	or else check the page properties for that meta tag	19:52
teflondon	I know in DateTime.pm it shows use base 'DateTime'; but I don't know where or how thats defined	19:53
teflondon	oh and has anyone here purchased the admin guide for webgui - and if so did you find it useful?	19:58
BartJol	sorry teflondon, I'm afrad I cam't help you very much, in a few days I will have my own webgui in a testenvironment	19:59
BartJol	then I can break stuff	19:59
BartJol	:)	19:59
teflondon	lol	19:59
teflondon	well we had already had this one die once - thankfully it was on a mac not a pc and was able to salvage it	20:00
BartJol	my boss wil get annoyed when I do that on live servers	20:00
teflondon	I know the feeling	20:00
teflondon	has anyone configured an ldap server to work with webgui?	20:01
teflondon	or know where the user database is for webgui?	20:02
teflondon	possibly i can just dump the necessary users info in or something	20:02
teflondon	I just found a problem - when logging out in the calender events it goes to the initial style3 login page - how do I change that to redirect back to hom	20:07
teflondon	home*	20:07
BartJol	in the template there also is a login macro	20:19
BartJol	in my 7.3.22 it is PBtmpl0000000000000092	20:19
BartJol	sorry uses	20:19
BartJol	maybe it's in there that you can configure the link location	20:19
BartJol	so to be clear: the macro (^L();) uses a template with ID PBtmpl0000000000000092	20:20
BartJol	you should check whether it is the same template ID	20:21
+perlDreamer	if the calendar is configured not to be viewable by Visitor, it takes you to the login screen	20:21
+perlDreamer	no way to change that	20:21
+perlDreamer	unless you make that calendar viewable to visitor	20:21
ckotil	BartJol: here's my ^L macro. ^L("","","PBtmpl0000000000000092");	20:21
BartJol	yeah, but can you not configure the logout link in the calender template to take you to the homepage?	20:22
teflondon	I don't mind it being visible to viewer - but I do have certain functions they have to log in for	20:22
BartJol	while being on the same url, sure you can't change that	20:22
teflondon	ok i found it - doesnt work exactly like I want but atleast it maintains the site appearance on the random logout	20:23
+perlDreamer	Bartjol: no, it's a function of the basic, internal wG permissions	20:24
+perlDreamer	gotta scoot to the gym	20:24
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teflondon	it didnt actually change it - just a different setting	20:25
BartJol	ah, that's nice then	20:26
teflondon	bartjol - did you say you had a way to cycle random text using RandomAssetProxy?	20:28
teflondon	or better yet	20:29
teflondon	a way to display like a shortlist of upcoming calender events?	20:30
BartJol	well	20:30
BartJol	you can place snippets in a folder	20:31
BartJol	if the snippets contain let's say quotes, you can refer to the url of the folder and let a random quote appear	20:31
BartJol	but a short list with different events is hard	20:32
BartJol	because the random factor can take the same event at random	20:33
teflondon	it doesnt even have to be Random - I would just like to display a list that is say for the next 2weeks to a month	20:34
BartJol	I've seen a random post function via sql reports	20:35
BartJol	mmm	20:35
teflondon	what about ... the favicon	20:35
teflondon	anyone use that with webgui?	20:35
BartJol	not me	20:35
nuba	BartJol: you can do things like SELECT foo FROM bar ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1;	20:37
nuba	to sample a random foo	20:37
nuba	with a SQL query	20:37
teflondon	bb in a few - running to check on some wiring drops being installed	20:38
BartJol	well my sql isn't rusty, it's iron ore\	20:39
nuba	heh	20:39
BartJol	not developed (yet)	20:39
nuba	one is always heating and hammering it	20:40
nuba	no matter how experienced you are :)	20:40
BartJol	but my dinner is being prepared, long live different timezones	20:42
BartJol	be back later, i'll get a beer	20:43
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teflondon	anyone had any thoughts while i was gone pertaining to the userimport.pl not working because of the DateTime.pl	22:45
+perlDreamer	Can you please paste the error again?	22:48
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dionak	hey guys.	22:57
dionak	did anyone enter the navigation template contest?	22:58
dionak	looks like we missed the deadline	22:58
teflondon	the error is saying base class package "DateTime" is empty (perhaps you need to 'use' the module which defines that package first) at ../lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm	22:59
BartJol	>diona think that martin wanted to, but didn't have the time since is working on his graduation project	23:01
teflondon	is there any other way to import users into a user database for webgui?	23:01
teflondon	i dont mind manually doing groups but the individual setups of 500 people wont be fun	23:01
dionak	is JT on? Curious if I could still submit..	23:05
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dionak	teflondon: besides the WG import user utility script?	23:05
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+perlDreamer	dionak: JT is offline	23:31
+perlDreamer	afaik, 7.5 is still open for committing	23:31
dionak	ok, thanks.	23:31
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+perlDreamer	dionak: Have you read Perl Best Practices?	23:52
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BartJo1	hi rizen, liked fear and loathing?	20:44
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nuba	how do you guys usually go about multiple domains + multiple roots?	23:21
nuba	i've done it with modproxy virtualhosts, the usual but added a rewrite rule to catch requests for /	23:22
nuba	and point it to each domains's default page	23:22
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nuba	now, from any given domain, you can still open an asset under another domains's root, if you know the url to it.	23:23
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@rizen	who remember's what maxscience's alterego username was on the web site?	19:08
@rizen	i'm trying to find the conversation where he said that webgui was crap	19:08
@rizen	but it was the best piece of crap out there	19:08
@rizen	so that's why he's using it	19:08
nuba	heh	19:09
nuba	maybe googling for "webgui sucks" will bring it up	19:12
BartJol	wasn't it fathertorque?	19:20
@rizen	there you go	19:20
@rizen	oh no	19:20
@rizen	that's his new incarnation	19:21
BartJol	i'm usefull for something	19:21
BartJol	yeah	19:21
@rizen	there's one inbetween there	19:21
BartJol	oh	19:21
BartJol	probably mr hairgrease knows	19:22
BartJol	he was quite irrtated by him	19:23
@rizen	yeah, he doesn't seem to be around now though. i'll have to ask him later	19:24
BartJol	well he's quite busy graduating and celebrating new years eve (and skiing) so you'd better mail him	19:25
@rizen	good idea	19:25
nuba	(reposting this question from yesterday) how do you guys usually go about multiple domains + multiple roots?	19:29
nuba	i've done it with modproxy virtualhosts, the usual but added a rewrite rule to catch requests for / and point it to each domains's default page	19:29
nuba	now, from any given domain, you can still open an asset under another domains's root, if you know the url to it.	19:29
nuba	-- i noticed that happens in plainblack.com/webgui.org as well	19:29
nuba	just now, while searching for "webgui sucks"	19:29
BartJol	ah, well you also can add a javascript at the root, I have it somewhere	19:30
nuba	hitting both http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki and http://www.plainblack.com/community-wiki works	19:30
BartJol	:)	19:30
@rizen	right	19:30
nuba	yeah I thought of adding a js check at the template	19:30
@rizen	but that's acutally good for us	19:30
@rizen	because google indexes it twice	19:30
@rizen	=)	19:30
nuba	i think i've heard exactly the opposite	19:31
nuba	if you serve the same content on different urls	19:31
nuba	some people will like here, some there	19:31
nuba	and it will be indexed each time for each place it's served	19:31
nuba	however the "link weight" will be diluted between the number of instances of the same content	19:32
@rizen	we use two different virtual hosts for plainblack.com and webgui.org, but on some servers we just use one vhost and some rewrite rules	19:32
@rizen	link weight isn't all that important for us, we're already ranked so high with both domains	19:32
nuba	i see	19:32
BartJol	wanna have that script nuba, saves you some time	19:34
BartJol	?	19:34
@rizen	in our case we use two different vhosts because we have so many rewrite rules	19:34
@rizen	that it made it easier to separate them	19:34
BartJol	that's for 1 vhost	19:34
nuba	BartJol: sure, thanks for the offering. please mail to nuba@fastmail.fm	19:34
@rizen	but on most sites we use one vhost with rewrite rules	19:34
BartJol	ok	19:34
nuba	you know, i can imagine webgui checking the current page's root against the ENV{HTTP_HOST} and redirecting accordingly	19:36
nuba	but I would need to add that info to the root	19:36
nuba	would be a ugly hack	19:37
nuba	but then, the HTTP redirect would be beautiful :)	19:38
nuba	and non-js-enabled-spider-bot-friendly ;)	19:39
BartJol	should be arriving in you mailbox, I will check whether there where some changes to the configuration as well	19:42
BartJol	but it should only be adding the domain names	19:42
nuba	got it, looks okay, thanks!	19:44
BartJol	no, only adding sitenames	19:44
BartJol	i'm off cooking, no pannenkoeken	19:48
nuba	have fun	19:48
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perlmonkey2	When does the WebGUI developers guide come out?	21:09
@preaction	when it's done, i expect end of january or end of february, but don't quote me on that	21:10
perlmonkey2	heh, cool, thanks	21:13
@preaction	now that i think of it, probably more towards end of feb. last call for chapters is middle/end of jan	21:14
perlmonkey2	Good, looks like there are a couple of new features that I'd want in there.	21:20
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perlmonkey2	For WebGUI's new survey, is it okay to use the body onload event? Does WebGUI use it otherwise?	21:46
perlmonkey2	I don't think WebGUI does as the body tag is left to the discression of the template.	21:46
@preaction	don't use body onload="", use Yahoo.util.Event.addListener (or better still, onContentReady or onDOMReady)	21:48
perlmonkey2	groovy!	21:58
perlmonkey2	wow, that is a pain in the arse over onload	21:59
@preaction	but it's better programming practice	22:03
@preaction	there can only be one onload="", but you can attach as many addListener(body, "load", function);	22:04
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xdanger	tell rizen that maxscience was later on iPhoneGuy	02:48
nuba	wiki is overlinking, is fixing that a bug or more like a RFE?	04:04
@preaction	that's been discussed. there's an RFE there for fixing it	04:04
nuba	overlinking is well described here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28links%29	04:04
nuba	ok	04:04
@preaction	i proposed some sort of wiki-markup to do it, but was mostly rejected by JT (since wiki markup isn't easy to use)	04:05
@preaction	it still exists though so pump some karma if you want to see it	04:05
nuba	let me check the wiki code, bbiab	04:07
nuba	at line 129 of "./Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm"	04:19
nuba	129 $text =~ s{$regexp}{'<a href="' . $mapping{lc $1} . '">' . $1 . '</a>'}xmseg;	04:19
nuba	if instead of concatenating the value of $mapping{lc $1}	04:20
nuba	between '<a href="' and etc.	04:20
nuba	we had a call to a sub which would output the link for $mapping{lc $1} the first time,	04:21
nuba	and just $mapping{lc $1} the next time	04:21
nuba	that would work	04:21
nuba	however instead of $mapping{lc $1} being built as a scalar it would help to built it as a hashref	04:22
nuba	so you would have $mapping{lc $1}->{url} and $mapping{lc $1}->{alreadylinked} to use	04:22
nuba	currently the scalar $mapping{lc $1} stores only the url	04:23
@preaction	you could even just put that code right in the handler, the code to determine if it's been linked or not	04:24
nuba	well, you just need a flag and a place to set it :)	04:24
@preaction	that might be an acceptable solution that everyone can agree on for the overlinking, but it doesn't solve the false-positives	04:24
@preaction	but i'd submit it anyway, it'll probably get approved	04:25
nuba	may I? or would you want to do it?	04:26
@preaction	i have my own, the overlinking problem is something different	04:27
nuba	or do you suggest just posting the comments above to the discussion ?	04:27
@preaction	a patch would probably be better	04:27
nuba	is this your rfe? http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/improve-wiki-linking	04:30
nuba	i got nothing searching for 'overlinking', or 'false-positives' at the rfe's search	04:31
@preaction	yeah, that's the one	04:31
@preaction	i propose that the way we're doing wiki linking is enherently broken	04:32
nuba	i agree	04:32
nuba	i believe generating wiki pages is an editorial process, and deciding what/where to link is important to the quality of the page	04:34
nuba	I'd rather have wiki markup instead of automated linking	04:35
@preaction	i agree	04:35
@preaction	but if anyone has a more intuitive solution, i'm all for that too	04:35
nuba	i think a hack to get wikimedia-style markup going could be using Template Toolkit + Text::MediawikiFormat	04:49
nuba	possibly with TT's EVAL_PERL option and [% PERL %] #stuff here [% END %]	04:50
nuba	or maybe that could be added as a TT filter	04:50
@preaction	sounds ugly	04:52
nuba	heh indeed	04:52
nuba	told you it was a hack	04:53
@preaction	i would prefer a TinyMCE plugin that did something the program could pick up	04:53
@preaction	so wiki markup, hidden by a tinymce plugin	04:53
@preaction	but we may be moving to the YUI RTE, so that might become even more possible soon	04:54
nuba	check the TinyMCE patch at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor	04:55
nuba	just make sure you don't skip reading the "limitations" section before patching your local tinymce :/	05:01
CIA-19	WebGUI: jt * r5209 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Pluggable.pm: oops, forgot to add this to svn	06:49
CIA-19	WebGUI: jt * r5209 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Pluggable.pm: oops, forgot to add this to svn	07:07
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perlmonkey2	I have a minor design question for the new survey system. Should I hard code question types and rules into the JS? Or should those be loaded from the Perl. This would keep the display code seperate from the functional. I'm not sure this is even possible as each question and answer type will require custom JS code, so I might as well hard code it.	18:21
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perlmonkey2	Is this a coloc or PB's own site? http://www.plainblack.com/tbb/data-center	18:46
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5210 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm:	01:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Switch to using WebGUI::Pluggable.	01:03
CIA-19	WebGUI: Remove tabs and prettify the code.	01:03
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Udu	Hi, are there any guides on installing the latest webgui release on ubuntu 7.10 server? I've checked the wiki and it's not ...	03:28
@preaction	WebGUI or WRE? there's a WRE guide, and a general WebGUI Source Install guide	03:29
Udu	Which would be more suited? I'm and intermediate linux user :-) I'm not scared of source installs but are there any caveats?	03:30
@preaction	none that i'm aware of besides the ease of use: WRE has helped scripts and applications to administer WebGUI sites, add/remove/edit	03:31
@preaction	w/o the WRE you'd need to do so manually	03:31
@preaction	i've been meaning to take the initiative to use the WRE support libs and build a core distribution that can be put in distro package systems, but i have other things i'm working on	03:32
@preaction	iow, if you want to muck about and don't want the overhead in memory/proc/diskspace having the WRE, feel free to source install	03:33
@preaction	either here, or the community forums, can help with either one	03:33
@preaction	also may want to search webgui.org, there's plenty of install reports / threads about issues	03:35
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CIA-19	WebGUI: Clean up left-over scratch in two tests to try and get	04:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions to work in the smoke	04:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: tests.	04:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: Comment out the two failing tests in Asset.t until my bug	04:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: gets answered. Turns out you can't TODO them because	04:33
CIA-19	WebGUI: it requires using Test::Builder instead of Test::More.	04:33
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AMH_bob	Morning	14:51
AMH_bob	(at least over there)	14:51
BartJol	well it's afternoon here	14:52
AMH_bob	:p	14:54
AMH_bob	SDuensin always says Morning after logging in, if I can, I'll try and beat him to it!	14:55
BartJol	:)	15:33
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BartJo1	fap	16:39
BartJo1	sorry	16:39
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perlmonkey2	everyone order an OLPC today (last day in the US). On Ebay they are already going for more than $400. So if it sucks and is not useable as an ultra portable, you can sell it in 6 months recouping your cost. Or it could rawk and be a great ultra portable, and you'll have helped a kid in need either way.	21:45
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CIA-19	WebGUI: colin * r5216 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t:	23:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: re test #6. Making the hash ref a bag causes an automatic mismatch and interferes with	23:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: test diagnostics.	23:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: Test fails due to a mismatch in the assetSize param in the first (and probably further)	23:48
CIA-19	WebGUI: entry of the loop. Marked as TODO.	23:48
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