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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5217 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add tests for getTitle and getMenuTitle | 05:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5218 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: tests for getToolbarState, toggleToolbar and getUiLevel | 06:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r5219 /branch/doug-experimental/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Report.pm i18n/English/Asset_Report.pm): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hello? | 20:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Everyone still hung over? | 20:23 |
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| BartJol | well happy new year everybody | 21:39 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5220 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add the failing test for assetAddPrivileges back in, but don't run it. | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add tests for assetUiLevel and getUiLevel. | 21:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5221 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Coverage tests for assetExists. | 23:48 |
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| dannymk | cap10morgan, please contact me when you get a chance. I would like to add your patch to my module, however I have a few questions. | 00:12 |
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| dannymk | Hi preaction | 01:18 |
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| dannymk | happy new year. | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | indeed | 01:18 |
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| dannymk | I am in the process of adding Authentication 2.0 to the OpenId module | 01:19 |
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| @preaction | nice | 01:20 |
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| dannymk | as you requested. However, the rest will have to wait. Just started a new Perl training job that is taking up a lot of my time. | 01:21 |
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| dannymk | Have you seen cap10morgan on this channel in the last month? | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | no problem, i've finally got time and my own branch to start experimenting with, but i've got some productivity things to do first (since everything I do would be so much easier if I didn't copy/paste it every single time, and instead subclassed it) | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | yes, once in a while | 01:22 |
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| dannymk | I need to talk to him about his patch. Where can I find his email? | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | is his profile private? | 01:26 |
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| dannymk | yes | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | you might want to just reply to the thread, he'll get an e-mail if he's subscribed to it | 01:29 |
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| dannymk | Done! | 01:29 |
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| dannymk | I also would like to work on the WChat object. Since I have been away a while I expect someone else took on the module. | 01:30 |
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| dannymk | has it been worked on? | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | nope, we've been busy on other things | 01:30 |
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| dannymk | Darn, I need to work on that too. | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | I've got a little ajax-enabled Shoutbox asset though, if you want the code for that | 01:31 |
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| dannymk | Really would love to have that Chat WObject | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | i made it as part of the WUC last october | 01:31 |
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| @preaction | you still haven't gotten it? we tried about 10 different ways | 01:31 |
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| dannymk | yes, I have it now. Just have not worked on the code | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | ah | 01:32 |
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| dannymk | would like it to be done! :-P | 01:32 |
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| dannymk | Guess, I have to work on it. | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | it'd be nice, to be sure | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | but imho there are more important things. the chat wobject is a flashy eye-candy thing, i've got internal mechanical things that i need to work on to make webgui better | 01:33 |
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| @preaction | that isn't to say that the chat wobject won't bring more people into webgui than my work | 01:33 |
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| dannymk | you guys have your hands full and that is why I help when I can. | 01:35 |
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| dannymk | I appreciate the software. It is clean, simple and somewhat well documented. | 01:35 |
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| dannymk | :-) | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | have you seen the new URL / Content handlers, they're insanely awesome | 01:35 |
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| @preaction | the new developments in 7.5 (HEAD) are going to kick even more ass than 7.4 did | 01:36 |
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| @preaction | perlbot crud | 01:38 |
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| @preaction | perlbot learn crud as Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete -- the four corners of a proper database management tool | 01:38 |
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| perlbot | added crud to the database | 01:38 |
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| dannymk | Not yet, very immersed in this new project I have in my new job | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | understandable, new jobs are always fun | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | I hate sysadmin/developer work but I hae to make a living :-) | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | hae=have | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | why do you hate sysadmin/developer work? what would you rather be doing? | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | that is why I don't login during the day any longer | 01:47 |
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| dannymk | I just rather be just a developer | 01:47 |
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| @preaction | ah | 01:48 |
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| dannymk | in these jobs I have to be a jack of all trades. Sysadmin, DBA, Developer, Designer, etc... | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | eh, i'm a generalist. i learned how to be a developer, and now that i've got a very decent job doing that, i'm teaching myself how to sysadmin / netadmin / network, etc.. | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | i like knowing as much as possible about everything | 01:48 |
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| dannymk | I have been doing it almost 20 years and my mind can't take all the junk :-( | 01:49 |
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| dannymk | just too much to learn | 01:49 |
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| dannymk | don't mind working on stuff a bit but when it becomes part of my job then it becomes a problem | 01:50 |
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| dannymk | that is why I left my last job after 18 years | 01:50 |
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| dannymk | was tired of carrying the DBA | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | another middle manager trying to cut corners by making you work three jobs? | 01:51 |
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| dannymk | NO, we had a sysadmin which I had to train then we had an older guy that really did not understand Oracle working as an Oracle DBA | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | much fun | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | as they say, everyone gets promoted just to their level of incompetence | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | i feel that some people are better at faking competence than others | 01:55 |
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| dannymk | Peter principle all the way, but that is the motto of the federal govt. | 01:56 |
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| dannymk | oops, did I say that :-) | 01:56 |
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| @preaction | surprisingly we've got a few gov't clients, and they're very helpful when it comes to testing / exercising the code we write for them | 01:57 |
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| dannymk | Ah, not every office is like that | 01:58 |
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| @preaction | i mean, we've probably doubled the size of WebGUI with one of our projects, and there remain little-to-no bugs in their code since they're so thorough in tracking them down | 01:58 |
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| dannymk | Good to know. | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | but, it just means they've got competent people. that and their entire department lives and breathes their website | 01:59 |
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| @preaction | which is another testament to the stability and usefulness of WebGUI ;) | 02:00 |
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| dannymk | well, that may be a well designed office. Can't say the same for the place I worked. | 02:00 |
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| dannymk | yup. | 02:00 |
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| @preaction | it's almost as if the bigger an office gets, the more people rubbing shoulders and bumping elbows, the more BS gets floated around, the more market-speak team-building d'ya-have-a-second-to-help-this-guy-every-day-for-his-entire-career, and in a creative business like software development, the best people can't thrive | 02:02 |
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| dannymk | ah, you have experience in this area :-) | 02:10 |
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| dannymk | LOL. Well, I hope the new year brings us better circumstances. Take care and again, Happy New Year.... | 02:11 |
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| dannymk | later... | 02:12 |
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| ascii | how ya like dstat | 03:59 |
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| ascii | erp | 04:00 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5222 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 04:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Cover several other small utility routines. More getNotFound | 04:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: tests need to be written. | 04:48 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:47 |
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| BartJol | hi | 15:50 |
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| AMH_bob | HAPPY NEWYEAR!!!! | 15:52 |
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| BartJol | dito | 15:52 |
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| Radix__ | Yeah, a belated Happy New Year from me too guys :) | 15:53 |
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| SDuensin | Blah. New Year means I had to go back to work. :-P | 16:12 |
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| Radix__ | I'm off until monday | 16:26 |
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| Radix__ | but I wish I was back at work | 16:27 |
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| Radix__ | 40'C tomorrow, no aircon at home, and power shortages to boot | 16:27 |
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| Radix__ | tempted to go in tomorrow and take monday off in lieu ;) | 16:29 |
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| Radix__ | Oh no.. maybe not.. monday is forecast for 40'C too | 16:30 |
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| BartJol | Australian whether isn't much fun, I understand | 16:30 |
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| BartJol | wheather | 16:30 |
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| Radix__ | Actually for most of the year it's great | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | just summer sucks | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | you get days where it's 40-45'C | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | last week we had a temp of 45.5'c | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | highest on record for december since 1963 | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | jan/feb always sucks for temps | 16:32 |
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| Radix__ | http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW12300.txt | 16:32 |
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| BartJol | here it's about 1 C | 16:32 |
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| Radix__ | yah, well our temp doesn't really go that low generally.. or very rarely ;) | 16:32 |
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| nuba | summer here in Rio sucks a bit too | 16:37 |
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| nuba | too hot sometimes | 16:37 |
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| nuba | thanks god for A/C | 16:38 |
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| @khenn | happy new year =) | 17:55 |
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| teflond0n | anyone here have any luck importing users into a database for webgui? | 18:23 |
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| teflond0n | still havent had any luck with the userImport.pl | 18:23 |
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| Radix__ | I had no problems at all with userImport.pl | 18:24 |
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| Radix__ | What's happening exactly? are you getting errors? | 18:25 |
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| teflond0n | its saying DateTime isnt defined.... for some reason the perl mods arent wanting to cooperate | 18:25 |
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| teflond0n | is there another way to just have it import a csv file or something | 18:30 |
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| @rizen | you need to set a TZ environment variable | 18:30 |
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| @rizen | like TZ=America/Chicago | 18:31 |
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| Radix__ | tzselect should help with that | 18:36 |
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| Radix__ | or tzconfig | 18:36 |
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| Radix__ | you're going to have other issues later on if you don't sort out the DateTime issue now anyway | 18:37 |
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| nuba | spectre would fail for me with 'Cannot determine local time zone' | 18:38 |
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| nuba | until I did a "cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo /etc/localtime" | 18:38 |
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| nuba | do your /etc/localtime file exists? | 18:39 |
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| Radix__ | actually /etc/localtime should be a symlink - and the correct way to configure it is to use tzselect or tzconfig | 18:50 |
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| nuba | makes sense | 18:53 |
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| nuba | cp worked fine for me tho ;) | 18:54 |
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| nuba | hey, freebsd's tzsetup prefers "cp" too, just tested and it makes a copy, not a symlink | 18:56 |
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| Radix__ | it'll work.. just not as nice as a symlink ;) | 18:57 |
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| Radix__ | ubuntu/debian/centos all create symlinks | 18:57 |
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| nuba | maybe it's a "Junior" sindrome, these linux kids, always choosing to do different than their daddy (freebsd) ;D | 18:58 |
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| Radix__ | pfft | 18:59 |
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| teflond0n | i do see the etc/localtime file | 19:24 |
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| teflond0n | but I am running it on Mac osx | 19:25 |
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| teflond0n | not sure if that will cause any issues with it | 19:25 |
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| teflond0n | hey nuba since I live near the Atlanta, GA area would should it be /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York ? | 19:38 |
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| Radix__ | if it's in the same timezone as you, then yeah, that'd work | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | ... and WebGUI slowly wakes up from its week-long slumber | 19:44 |
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| nuba | 'morning, webgui! | 19:46 |
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| teflond0n | anyone know what the equivalent would be in osx for the tzconfig or tzsetup | 19:56 |
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| perlDreamer | sorry, I don't use osx | 19:56 |
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| @rizen | you shouldn't need it on osx | 19:59 |
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| nuba | i think you can find that under "system preferences" | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | osx sets it automatically when you edit your clock | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you're not using the right perl | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | did you do | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | note the dot and the space that come before the command | 20:00 |
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| teflond0n | i did the command from that directory so it was ./data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:02 |
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| teflond0n | no spaces | 20:02 |
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| teflond0n | would it be bad to comment that out in the userImport where it asks for the DateTime | 20:15 |
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| teflond0n | er possible | 20:17 |
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| teflond0n | rizen any more suggestions | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | that's bad | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | and you need the space | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | it's absolutely important | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | that's almost certainly where your problem is at this point | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | and if it's not, i'd recommend you get plain black support | 20:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Making the YUI widgets look good is killing me. | 20:30 |
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| @khenn | which ones? | 20:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'm not that great at layout/design. Is there a way to make regular html inputs look sexy, because the YUI widgets are too hard to manipulate given they are buried in like 3 objects when created with JS. | 20:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | khenn: Menu and buttons. | 20:30 |
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| @khenn | the newest yui menu is all CSS based | 20:31 |
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| @khenn | never played with the buttons | 20:31 |
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| @khenn | but we've made some pretty cool looking drop down menus | 20:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | khenn: When selecting a question type in the menu, I dynamically generate options for that question type. The divs grows and shrinks and I have to do a bunch of crazy stuff to make them look like I want. | 20:32 |
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| @khenn | hmm, I guess I'm not following. You lost me with "question type" | 20:33 |
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| @rizen | he's working on the survey | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | it's a new ajax style interface for the survey | 20:34 |
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| @khenn | ah | 20:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If they had a menu option that was multiple select, I'd just use that. | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | pm2, i'm not a good one to ask. both khenn and preaction have played with yui a lot more than me | 20:34 |
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| @rizen | i just use it for adding functionality to form controls | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | There button objects, while prettier than radio buttons, are still large and clunky. | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | s/there/their/ | 20:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I could use css to make them pretty, but that isn't what I do :) | 20:35 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I think maxscience/iPhoneGuy had a 3rd alias that was also mac related | 20:35 |
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| @khenn | css is how to make stuff in yui pretty though | 20:36 |
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| @khenn | so you will definitely find it difficult to do w/o it | 20:36 |
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| @rizen | perlmonkey2 if you make it work and then give me some sort of documentation on one css classes and ids you've exposed | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | i can have our designer come up with the pretty css for you | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | or rather, i'll just introduce you to our designer when he comes back from vacation | 20:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: that would be great. | 20:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I guess that means I can stop futzing with the layout and just throw it on the page and worry about functionality. | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | yup | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | what's your email address, i'll send an introductory email to steve | 20:39 |
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| teflond0n | can anyone let me know where the sql database is that contains the list of users ? | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | it called "users" | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | and the groups one is called "groups" | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | what about settings? | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | hmmmm | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | I think it's called settings | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | i dont get it. | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | and the one for assets is called asset | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | who came up with that scheme? | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | some guy named JT | 20:50 |
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| ckotil | he's too smart. | 20:51 |
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| @rizen | he's an idiot | 20:51 |
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| @rizen | you give him too much credit | 20:51 |
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| perlDreamer | what? you mean he didn't come up with that schema? | 20:51 |
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| ckotil | coworker of mine installed the new wre on RH5. | 20:51 |
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| ckotil | he said it the installation was a breeze. | 20:52 |
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| ckotil | and it was really easy to setup 3 sites. | 20:52 |
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| ckotil | he rarely touches webgui, but since i talk about it all the time he decided to try it out. | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | nice | 20:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I set of the WRE on cent5.1 a few weeks ago and it was extremely nice. | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | you guys have no idea how glad it makes me to hear that | 20:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I wanted to throw out an idea and see what people thought. Since disk is becoming really cheap, but CPU/Ram is still expensive as far as hosting is concerned. What about a Wobject that would allow files to be remotely hosted, but WebGUI would treat them like local files? Maybe build in DAV support, or something like it? | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | it means that the 400+ hours that I put into WRE 0.8 was worth it | 20:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Yeah, I would never use anything but the WRE for production now. | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | pm2: re your idea, i'd need further description to understand what you'd want and why before i could make a judgement | 20:57 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Like the file pile but would store the files on a remote file server. | 20:57 |
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| @rizen | why would that be good? | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | that would actually increase the use of the CPU and memory because then all those files would have to be served through mod_perl so it could request them from the dav server | 20:59 |
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| @rizen | that is unless the dav server also had a straight http url for the file and you were willing to expose that url directly to your users | 21:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I was actually thinking that WebGUI would do a one time authen for the users ip, and the remote file server would directly serve to them that once. | 21:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | This may be a solution that doesn't really fit any given problem though. | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | hrmm.. i guess off the top of my head i can't see anyone actually using that so it's not something i'd allow in the core | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | i do want to go the other way around however | 21:01 |
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| @rizen | i want to create a dav interface into webgui | 21:02 |
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| nuba | i've been toying about the idea of sending static content somewhere else, too | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | so you can use webgui as a file store | 21:02 |
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| nuba | keeping only the webgui brains running in my dedicated box, | 21:02 |
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| nuba | and push uploads etc to a cheap hosting elsewhere | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | nuba, you can already do that | 21:02 |
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| nuba | you can do that with modproxy and rewrites, yeah | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | you can just push all the static uploads to a file server using a remote mount | 21:02 |
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| nuba | but how about sync etc? | 21:02 |
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| nuba | suppose there's no remote mounting | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | and then change your uploads folder to point to http://files.example.com/uploads/ | 21:03 |
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| nuba | you won't see that in the feature list of these mega-cheap hosting plans | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | you also won't see WebGUI there, nuba | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | unfortunately | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | you can use ftp as a remote mount | 21:03 |
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| nuba | yeah, thats why i dont even think about pushing webgui there | 21:03 |
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| nuba | just the uploads etc | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | you can also use FUSE scpfs | 21:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | those mega cheap hosters allow ftp | 21:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I've found that those mega cheap hosters are also extremely slow. They brag about 1 million TB connections to the net, but the reality is like 128kb | 21:04 |
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| nuba | yeah, then theres the latency between uploading the file to the webgui host and it being pushed to the cheapass server | 21:04 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: tonight could you please turn on the -v switch to testCodebase so I can diagnose the failing DeleteExpiringWorkflows test? | 21:06 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, doesn't have to be tonight. Any night would be good. | 21:06 |
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| nuba | to be honest, i didnt stop to think thoroughly about this yet, of coupling webgui dox + cheapass server | 21:10 |
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| nuba | for now a single dedicated box is good enough for me | 21:11 |
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| nuba | a seducing "next step" lately has been checking the amazon's EC2 thing | 21:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I looked at that as a smoke testing platform | 21:13 |
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| perlDreamer | Seemed expensive for a volunteer budget | 21:13 |
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| nuba | instead of ugly hacking and glueing of scattered hosting services here and there | 21:13 |
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| nuba | rizen: wont PB.com be interested in funding the smoke test box? | 21:16 |
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| perlDreamer | they run a smoke test now | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | but I was thinking bigger. Multiple OS'es, multiple WRE's | 21:18 |
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| nuba | i see. like a testing farm. | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | it's been really hard to get other people into testing wG | 21:18 |
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| nuba | what are the requirements if one wants to help? | 21:21 |
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| perlDreamer | there are two main testing needs | 21:22 |
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| perlDreamer | 1) We need lots more tests to be written | 21:22 |
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| perlDreamer | and that can be done piecemeal | 21:23 |
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| perlDreamer | 2) I think we need a testing aggregator to take smoke reports from lots of users and coallate them | 21:23 |
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| perlDreamer | but we don't have the lots of users part yet so it's a lower priority | 21:23 |
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| @rizen | pd: just turned on the -v flag, please let me know when we can turn it off again | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | okay. Tomorrow should be good to turn off. It will just make a BIG smoke report tonight | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | hm. Maybe I should add in diagnostics so we can truly do it in one shot... | 21:24 |
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| perlDreamer | I think a test may be leaking Session information, which is why the test DeleteExpiredSession test is failing | 21:25 |
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| @rizen | pd, i have a spare box running vmware that i use for compiling and testing the wre on multiple platforms (everything except mac and windows) | 21:25 |
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| @rizen | however, the problem with using that is when it comes time to build a new WRE, i'll have to resetup all the tests again | 21:26 |
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| @rizen | that's more work for me | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 21:26 |
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| @rizen | and i'm already a big bottlekneck | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | it would be good if it was scriptable | 21:26 |
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| perlDreamer | the host would instanciate the virtual sessions, run a test on them, submit the smoke report for each | 21:27 |
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| perlDreamer | but I don't know if that is possible on VMware or not | 21:27 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, it would be good to get more people in the community involved if possible | 21:27 |
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| nuba | vmware has a perl api | 21:27 |
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| nuba | so you could switch machines on, off, etc with a script if you want | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | all the vmware hosts are up all the time | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | so we don't need to turn them on or off | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | it's a beefy box | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | dual proc xeon with 4gigs of ram | 21:28 |
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| @rizen | so it can actually run about 6 os'es at the same time reliably | 21:28 |
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| nuba | nice | 21:29 |
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| @rizen | pd, i could give you access to the box if you would like to set it up as a test system for multiple platforms | 21:29 |
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| nuba | sounds like you're proud of you muscle car^H^H^Hserver ;) | 21:29 |
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| perlDreamer | sounds like I need start researching aggregators then :) | 21:30 |
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| nuba | webgui@home | 21:30 |
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| perlDreamer | smolder | 21:30 |
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| @rizen | we could have them all post to the smoke tests forum | 21:30 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but aggregators can also generate reports with the data, like "This test started failing on this platform at that SVN rev" | 21:31 |
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| perlDreamer | but while the research gets done, it wouldn't hurt to post them | 21:31 |
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| @rizen | ah | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | that's very cool | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | i didn't know such a thing was even possible | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | you rock pd | 21:32 |
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| @rizen | btw, hop on IM and i'll give you the login info for that box | 21:33 |
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| nuba | rizem, why is it a good idea for spectre to handle tasks to a mod_perl enabled httpd instead of launching a WebGUI::Session-enabled, lean, script? | 21:38 |
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| nuba | rizen* | 21:38 |
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| @rizen | for lots of reasons | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | 1) spectre is single threaded | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | so if something crashes | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | it would crash spectre | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | by keeping spectre small and clean, less chance of crash | 21:39 |
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| @rizen | 2) the mod_perl processes are already running so why not use them instead of loading all that code into ram yet again | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | 3) you can load balance workflows by adding more webgui nodes | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | and thusly the workflow engine can grow with your web site | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | is that good enough? | 21:40 |
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| nuba | you could work around 1 with 'perl spectre_worker_instance.pl "do stuff"' with return code | 21:40 |
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| @rizen | i could, and i did in the early versions of it | 21:41 |
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| @rizen | but 2 and 3 made me realize that was dumb | 21:41 |
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| nuba | ok, thanks for the reply | 21:42 |
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| nuba | another thing: i was editing some branches having many posts (about 3k total), and when clicking on 'save' the mod_proxy httpd would timeout while waiting for the mod_perl httpd's reply to the post. I didnt check the code but I risk guessing a branch edit means finding every descendant asset and creating a revision, creating the workflow instances, etc, all in a single request, is that right? | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 21:50 |
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| nuba | and then, these timeouts became such a pita, and the toones of workflows became such a pita, that i deleted the entire site, and migrated again from scratch, this time adjusting all I wanted while creating the asset, to avoid "branch edits" | 21:53 |
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| nuba | but basically, the idea is that "branch edit" dont seem to be scaling the way it works now | 21:57 |
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| @rizen | they don't scale well right now | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | it's on my todo list to fix eventualy | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | they work fine if you have less than 100 children | 21:58 |
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| @rizen | but if you have more than 1000 children they are a concern | 21:58 |
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| nuba | k | 22:00 |
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| nuba | i wonder if slicing the work with a recursive approach would be better, doing stuff like 1) edit me, 2) queue the task of editing for my children. | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | it needs to be fixed in one of two ways | 22:03 |
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| nuba | just my $0.02 | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | either generate a workflow that will make all the edits to children | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | or change the screen to stream informtation back to the browser | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | as it makes changes | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | so that it doesn't time out | 22:03 |
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| @rizen | and the user gets immediate feedback | 22:04 |
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| nuba | yup | 22:04 |
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| nuba | i had more questions but can wait 'till hes not afkb anymore ;) | 22:23 |
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| nuba | spanishinquisiti: nobody expected you here | 22:24 |
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| nuba | NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! | 22:25 |
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| spanishinquisiti | si` | 22:25 |
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| nuba | well i'll paste the questions here, so rizen can asnwer later if he wants, or not at all.. | 22:26 |
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| nuba | 1) is WebGU::Session memory-hungry or its just me? While importing the 3k posts (photo gallery, each post w/ at least one pic), i had to do it in chunks (of about a hundred posts each), otherwise the import script would grow to eat all available memory and then die. | 22:29 |
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| nuba | thats all for now :) | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | WebGUI::Session is huge, yes. but it has everything inside of it | 22:41 |
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| @preaction | there are things though, that might be able to be taken out when developing/running utility scripts, such as the query log, if it's possible | 22:41 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: have you ever tinkered with Test::Builder? | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | not as such, no | 22:56 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix the problem with TODO tests with wg::Test::Maker::* and haven't had any luck | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | do we assume that anyone running SVN HEAD does a resetdev after every svn update? (or at least, if things break spectacularly)? | 23:02 |
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| perlDreamer | if things break spectacularly, resetdev is the first thing I do | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | or should we start instituting a plan to make running HEAD more managable, if/when the new upgrade system is implemented | 23:02 |
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| @preaction | oh, dur, new upgrade system negates the need for it | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | what's the new upgrade system? | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | when it gets implemented: it's basically a way for each commit to SVN to be a "release" | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | releases are based on patches, which may or may not have associated collateral / executables | 23:04 |
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| @preaction | of course, there's a -stable and -unstable branch, etc... full-featured, etc... | 23:05 |
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| perlDreamer | rizenisafk: amazon is getting into the self-publishing biz. I don't know how their rates compare to Lulu | 23:11 |
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| perlDreamer | That should help locate the extra session leaker. | 23:17 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5223 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: add more diagnostics to help find the leaking session. These will be removed or hidden behind conditionals later | 23:18 |
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| @preaction | it's possible to test the operation of a utility script, correct? | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | i suppose the better question is should I? if it's being added to core | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | I would, but I'm prejudiced that way | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I think new "Perl" way to do script testing is to wrap the guts in a module | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | and both the script and test exercise the guts | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | kind of MVC for scripts | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | it's for migrating different types of content into a Gallery, i don't like the idea of putting "addAlbumFromCollaborationThread" in the Gallery, though the idea does have merit | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | it's just the modular way seems messy and the monolithic way seems messy | 23:44 |
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| perlDreamer | or make a Gallery::Utility module? | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | ah, true | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | that sounds good, i'll do that | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | then i can also add the addAlbumFromFilesystem and i think there was another script that they wanted | 23:45 |
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| perlDreamer | cool! | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | you're right about the messiness. | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | Either it's all monolithic and you have to drive it with system calls | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | or you pull it into two pieces | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | which both need documentation, etc | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | it'll be good writing the Gallery::Utility framework though, and provide a way for people to make their own migration things | 23:52 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Jan 03 2008 |
| perlDreamer | So hopefully by tomorrow I'll have the failing DeleteExpiredSessions test diagnosed | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | and that will just leave us with the TODO'ed and SKIP'ed Gallery* tests | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | the eternally failing i18n label tests | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | and the help.t test which is failing on empty Gallery* keys | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | the failing i18n/help tests are false keys | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 00:07 |
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| @preaction | i'll be working on all that for the next week or two, so no need to worry about those | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | some of the i18n are false keys, the rest are from WebGUI::Setup and nested scope with i18n calls | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | (admittedly, in addition to new dev) | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | but there is one i'm still wondering about: one test in the gallery still fails | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | Test::Deep says "expected 6, recieved 6" | 00:08 |
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| @preaction | so afaik it should pass | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, yes and no. | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | That's actually a false warning | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | I worked on that a little yesterday | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | Check the commit log and that test for more info | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | k | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | The "real" problem is that asset sizes are wrong between the two methods of fetching the file_loop | 00:09 |
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| @preaction | oh, ew | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, one says 311 bytes, the other says 313 | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | only two bytes different | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | very strange | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | so we leave it for now? | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | i mean, hiding it behind TODO or SKIP seems wron | 00:10 |
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| @preaction | g | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | I TODO'ed it for now, so that when it gets fixed it will "Unexpectedly pass" | 00:11 |
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| @preaction | sounds good | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | vayde: can you take this guy? http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html | 00:25 |
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| vayde | sure. want me to rip his lungs out? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Nah. He's only ranting at ruby people. | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, if you break his toes one by one it's better | 00:26 |
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| vayde | dunno if I have the patience for that. I tend to prefer one good hard cross to the throat | 00:27 |
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| @preaction | this post, from the first few paragraphs, sounds like pure win | 00:27 |
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| vayde | though as I glance down this page, I feel the urge to do a similar page for the morons who originally wrote the code I'm hacking these days | 00:28 |
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| vayde | doStuff(\%$ref); | 00:28 |
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| vayde | long time no chat preaction, how's things? | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | That might actually be useful, as I think it creates a "safe" ref back to $ref that doesn't allow stomping on it. | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | but it could be written more clearly | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | doStuff sounds like fun | 00:29 |
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| @preaction | things going about as normal, much new ideas but no time to implement them | 00:29 |
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| vayde | yeah, it *could* be useful like that perlDreamer, but they thought they had the original $ref to wrik with | 00:29 |
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| vayde | sweet. Just before christmas I finished rewriting this one site's code a 3rd time cos the morons supporting it don't think that changing a site I'm migrating will affect the schedule | 00:30 |
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| vayde | even the project managers are starting to talk about buying me a ticket to go 'talk' to the bozos | 00:31 |
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| nuba | heh | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | lol | 00:32 |
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| nuba | >Their ideas were horrendously lame. I swear if someone says they.re starting a social network I.m gonna beat them with the heel of my shoe. | 00:33 |
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| nuba | poor guy | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: You beastie. Hack on! | 00:33 |
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| vayde | jeez this guy's got a head of steam going. where did you find this? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | slashdot | 00:39 |
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| vayde | hmm, musta missed it this morning. Bank woulda filtered it out anyway | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | it just popped up within the last hour or so | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | you woulda seen it tomorrow | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | the argument on ThoughtWorks and the Consulting thing is spot-on | 00:42 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: graham * r5225 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 5224 via svnmerge from | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.4 | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: r5224 | graham | 2008-01-02 16:18:53 -0600 (Wed, 02 Jan 2008) | 1 line | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: fix: Assets with no committed versions may be left as orphans when parent is purged | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5226 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add fine-grained export controls. You can now specify whether you want specific | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: assets to be exportable. If any of an asset's parents aren't exportable, that | 00:48 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: asset also won't be exportable. | 00:48 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: with a default of 0, won't that disable exporting for the whole site when the user upgrades? | 00:51 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, hm. | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | or am I reading the sense of the bit backwards? | 00:52 |
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| @apeiron | No, you've got it right. | 00:52 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, But on the other hand, if it defaults to 1, those who *don't* want to export the entire site when they upgrade have to change a lot of assets. | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | Exactly, but currently wG allows exporting the entire site. At the very least I think it would need something in the gotchas.txt file for the release. | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | and, they'd only need to change the website root (defaultAsset), since it checks all parents | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | so, if the default is 1, then you set any "node" to 0 to disable all of its children from exporting | 00:57 |
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| @apeiron | Good point, sir. | 00:57 |
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| @preaction | yeah, i'm with colin: every upgrade must maintain the status quo. if they want change, they can do the work | 01:01 |
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| @preaction | is there an edit branch entry for the exportable property? | 01:01 |
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| @apeiron | Not yet anyway. | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: I'm in violent agreement with you preaction, with the caveat "maintain the status quo whenever possible". | 01:04 |
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| perlDreamer | In any case, I think this is a cool feature to add to wG | 01:04 |
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| @apeiron | Violent agreement? | 01:04 |
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| @apeiron | You're taking up arms? :) | 01:04 |
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| perlDreamer | You ever watch an arguement where two people totally agree with one another but disagree on semantics? | 01:05 |
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| perlDreamer | "violent agreement" | 01:05 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5227 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl): Maintain status quo and keep the default of exporting all assets. | 01:18 |
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| @rizen | nuba: WebGUI::Session is not memory hungry that I know of. Are you sure it wasn't just your script? Could you provide me with your script so I could use it as a test case? | 02:23 |
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| @rizen | preaction: yes we assume that svn update means reset dev in a lot of cases | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | perldreamer, do you have a link to the amazon self publish? | 02:25 |
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| perlDreamer | re amazon: AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_hi_te/business_of_life;_ylt=AhD5AwPjqeEzMAkaVBdrWqMDW7oF | 02:28 |
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| perlDreamer | amazon in particular: createspace.com | 02:28 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5228 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: reorder upgrade steps so that addIsExportable happens before we try to update the templates | 02:33 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5229 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: update plan and invert test for new default for isExportable | 02:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:56 |
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| BartJo1 | yeah, just made my first sql report with template and it works! | 17:57 |
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| perlDreamer | Now, that's what I call a test log! | 19:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Setting visibility to hidden in a div should make all the children of that dom be inivisible. That is unless you are using YUI which will laugh at your css and make you cry. | 19:27 |
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| nuba | heh | 19:28 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Even doing this after all the YUI objects have been created does nothing: var temp = document.getElementById("editanswer"); | 19:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | 146 temp.setattribute("visibility","hidden"); | 19:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I need a stick to beat YUI with. | 19:29 |
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| * nuba handles perlmonkey2 a large trout | 19:30 |
| * perlmonkey2 wraps it in tinfoil and butter and places it over a camp fire. | 19:31 |
| nuba | very good, indeed its better to tell horror stories at night about YUI than resorting to violence :) | 19:32 |
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| nuba | YUI the CSS eater | 19:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I can't be too mad at it, I have some groovy drag and drop boxes with some totally cool menus that change dynammically depending on what you click. Looks slick. | 19:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | My JS-foo was rusty. setattribute is not synonymous with .style. | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 19:50 |
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| @rizen | pong | 19:50 |
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| perlDreamer | does each child apache process end up with a session? | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | no | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | each page request ends up with a session | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | and the session is destroyed at the end of the request | 19:51 |
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| perlDreamer | how 'bout each spectre runner? | 19:51 |
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| @rizen | when i say destroyed i mean closed by the way, not deleted | 19:51 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | spectre does the same thing because as far as webgui is concerned it's just another web browser | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | and spectre keeps track of the session id cookie just like a browser, so it reuses the cookie for subsequent requests | 19:52 |
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| @rizen | must get lunch now, be back in 10 min | 19:53 |
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| perlDreamer | it's okay, you can have 30 | 19:53 |
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| @rizen | back | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | i can eat lunch whilst answering your questions | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | mmmmmm. leftover meatloaf sandwiches | 20:01 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, instead of digging, let me tell you what I see from the big test log of 2008 | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | The tests start with 3 pre-existing sessions. | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | Sessions also seem to be added and deleted, regardless of whether or not the test creates and cleans them up | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | so I was trying to figure out where they might come from | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | here's the summary of the session info: | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m61f41342 | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | so that's the mystery | 20:13 |
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| perlDreamer | the good news is that it has little, if anything to do with the DeleteExpiredSessions test failing | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | is that session objects or session ids? | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | session ids | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | select sessionId from userSession | 20:14 |
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| @rizen | all the tests get the session from WebGUI::Test->getSession though don't they? | 20:14 |
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| perlDreamer | yes and no | 20:14 |
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| @rizen | so if there's a problem wouldn't it be there? | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | they all get their main session from getSession | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | but some of them create auxiliary sessions for testing using Session->opn | 20:15 |
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| perlDreamer | open | 20:15 |
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| * perlDreamer digs a little | 20:16 |
| @rizen | there shouldn't be many of those though, so it should be easy to locate and clean up problematic ones, right? | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, but the first test run does not create 3 additional sessions | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | they were there before | 20:17 |
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| perlDreamer | the test started | 20:17 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5230 /tools/makerelease.pl: added verbose option and turned on <pre> blocks in message board formatting | 20:18 |
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| perlDreamer | to me it looks like something else aside from the test is using the database | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | well the build script uses the database | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | to construct the create.sql | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | the tests actually run as part of the nightly build process | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | which has to generate a create.sql script | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | that means it also runs the upgrade script | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | it does that before the test process starts running | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | that would explain it | 20:32 |
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| perlDreamer | I did find a test that is leaking sessions | 20:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Session/Scratch.t | 20:32 |
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| nuba | rizen: do we stick with the Locator name for the map asset? | 20:44 |
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| nuba | maybe Map instead? | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | don't care | 20:45 |
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| nuba | k | 20:45 |
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| nuba | just so you know, im back working on it since yesterday | 20:45 |
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| @rizen | nice | 20:46 |
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| nuba | ive cleaned up my notes, and now I happen to know webgui's api better, so im rebooting the project and reusing some of the stuff i wrote hastly in aug/07 | 20:47 |
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| nuba | what do you recommend, check out the head or work on 7.4.19-stable? | 20:47 |
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| perlDreamer | usually, all new dev is supposed to happen on HEAD | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5231 /WebGUI/t/ (Session/Scratch.t Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t): | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Clean up all temporary session info in Session/Scratch.t | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a preliminary run of DeleteExpiredSessions to DeleteExpiredSessions.t | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: to clean up any old, funky sessions which might just be lying around | 20:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: and interfering with the test. | 20:48 |
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| @rizen | check out head | 20:48 |
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| @rizen | feel free to branch head for your own work if need be like preaction did for the calendar | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | that way you can continuously commit | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | and not lose any work if your computer dies | 20:49 |
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| @rizen | then you can merge back to head when you're done | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: please pull the -v switch from the nightly smoke test run. That test should pass now. | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | ok | 21:31 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5232 /tools/makerelease.pl: don't need the -v anymore | 21:33 |
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| nuba | checking out HEAD to my SVK mirror.. | 22:54 |
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| nuba | will branch from there | 22:54 |
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| nuba | actually, head, body, limbs, etc. | 23:16 |
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| perlDreamer | nuba: was it hard to plug WebGUI's SVN into SVK? | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | I've wanted to try for years, but haven't spent the time to actually do it | 23:18 |
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| nuba | just followed http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | and then import that into your SVK repo? | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | nm, I see there's a new section in there | 23:19 |
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| nuba | yeah, the only thing missing there is "svk depotmap --init" | 23:20 |
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| nuba | it me took about 30 mins to go from rev 1 to rev 5232 | 23:23 |
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| nuba | it was like history flashing before my eyes! :D | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | it imported the whole thing? That would be huge! | 23:30 |
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| nuba | 157M .svk/ | 23:31 |
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| nuba | not as mammothy as i expected, too | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | I kinda wish we also had imported the CVS history into there, too. | 23:33 |
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| nuba | is that still available somewhere? | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe. if it's anywhere, it would be on sourceforge | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | project name pbwebgui | 23:47 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5233 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post.t: | 23:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: AssetTrash bugfix exposes bad test code. There's no need to | 23:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: purge when you can roll back a commit container asset like the CS. | 23:48 |
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| nuba | its still there http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | cool | 23:53 |
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| nuba | goes as far as beta 3.7.0 | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | researching the history in SVN is a little tricky because there was a repo reorg last year | 23:53 |
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| nuba | yep | 23:54 |
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| nuba | hey, how do you guys go about running HEAD? manually check upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl for changes every update? | 00:24 |
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| nuba | i just got a fatal cause column isExportable didnt exist yet.. | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | what rev did you pull? | 00:26 |
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| nuba | is this a mistake (whoever added it to upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl forgot to add it to create.sql) ? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not a mistake, since create.sql is for VERSION-1 | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | you install create.sql and then run the updater | 00:27 |
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| nuba | 5234 | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | that's also what I'm running, and it installs fine | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | can you paste your resetdev script output please? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | ok. now, what about keeping it in sync? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | its manual tracking of upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl, isnt it? | 00:28 |
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| nuba | i mean, the way to go | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | you mean between your branch and HEAD? | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, manually | 00:29 |
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| nuba | ok, thx | 00:29 |
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| nuba | i've no resetdev below /data/ | 00:31 |
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| nuba | is that edible? | 00:32 |
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| nuba | :) | 00:32 |
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| perlDreamer | it's a script that everyone has made. | 00:32 |
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| perlDreamer | there should be one in the core | 00:32 |
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| nuba | this is on wre 0.7. | 00:33 |
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| nuba | is it a wre script? | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't use the wre, so I'm not sure | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | see this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 00:33 |
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| nuba | thanks | 00:38 |
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| nuba | i'll modify this to fit my setup | 00:39 |
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| nuba | so this is THE resetdev? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | no, it's just mine | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | for THE resetdev, I'd ask a Plain Black staffer | 00:41 |
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| nuba | looks like something useful to have at https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 00:41 |
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| nuba | perlDreamer: you may want to look into upgrade.pl's --skipBackup --skipDelete --skipMaintenance for line 18 of http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 01:14 |
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| nuba | to make it faster | 01:15 |
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| perlDreamer | thanks, nuba! | 01:16 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: does the WRE have a builtin resetdev script? | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | not that i'm aware of | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | there's a better solution that graham was working on that didn't require so many passwords, but dunno how far he gots | 01:17 |
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| @preaction | i made some of my own improvements to resetdev, but it's still a hack | 01:17 |
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| perlDreamer | care to share? | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | one sec | 01:18 |
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| perlDreamer | just don't paste it directly channel. It makes Doug mad. | 01:18 |
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| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m96d02d1 | 01:21 |
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| nuba | good, incorporating lines 16-20 into my hacked version of pD's resetdev lookalike | 01:24 |
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| perlDreamer | nuba: you only need to do that if you want to go through the initial site setup | 01:24 |
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| perlDreamer | if I understand what's going on correctly | 01:25 |
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| nuba | yeah, i got it | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | 16 is the site setup, 17 is show debug more, 18-20 is start with auto-commit and real-time workflows | 01:25 |
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| perlDreamer | I have an idea | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | Why don't we make one that is universal, in two flavors | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | WRE and non-WRE? | 01:26 |
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| perlDreamer | and then check them into the /tools area in SVN? | 01:26 |
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| @preaction | there's a tools area? | 01:27 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah | 01:27 |
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| perlDreamer | It's at the top-level | 01:27 |
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| nuba | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 01:27 |
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| nuba | or maybe, if you're going to try doing it WRE/non-WRE neutral, at WebGUI/sbin | 01:28 |
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| @preaction | it should be possible to do one resetdev for both WRE and non-WRE, with some decent sanity checks | 01:30 |
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| perlDreamer | hail, rizen | 01:32 |
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| @rizen | only here for 32 seconds | 01:33 |
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| @rizen | don't hail me =( | 01:33 |
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| perlDreamer | ah | 01:33 |
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| perlDreamer | not hailed like a taxi-cab, hail like greeted with honor and respect | 01:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If anyone cares the survey system is coming along nicely. Tomorrow I'll put something public up for those who care to see how it is going. | 01:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | It isn't tied to WebGUI yet, just javascript scalfolding for creating surveys. | 01:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | g'night. | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | should've gotten him his own branch | 01:59 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 02:00 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer, are you awake? | 02:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm here | 02:17 |
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| perlDreamer | well, kinda here anyway | 02:22 |
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| perlDreamer | dionak: I'll be bouncing back and forth between two cubes, but I'm around. | 02:22 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer: Hm. Sounds like you're busy. You had asked the other day if I have read Perl Best Practices and I just wanted to answer. It is on my list but has not been completely read yet. | 02:23 |
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| perlDreamer | yes, I remember that. I had a question about stringy eval, but it's since been answered by JT checking in WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:31 |
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| dionak | interesting... | 02:41 |
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| @rizen | what is? | 02:41 |
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| dionak | WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:41 |
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| @rizen | oh, i'm quite proud of how it turned out | 02:43 |
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| dionak | I can see why. :) I didn't realize you were planning a plugin system. How are you envisioning this to be used? | 02:44 |
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| dionak | it looks like you've been doing quite a bit of work. | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | most of the work i'm doing these days hasn't shown up in svn yet | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | only little things | 02:45 |
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| @rizen | but if you look at the pluggable urls, content handlers, or auth system (WebGUI::Operation::Auth) you'll see how it's used | 02:46 |
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| dionak | looking.. | 02:46 |
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| @rizen | tonight i'll convert macros and some other plugin points to use it as well | 02:46 |
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| dionak | thats really cool, JT | 02:46 |
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| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is meant to be used at all plugin points to provide a speedy, easy, and secure way of loading plugins | 02:47 |
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| dionak | so we could create our own plugin for a new auth method, for instance... | 02:47 |
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| @rizen | you always could, it's just that now there's a standard way that all plugins are loaded, rather than having each plugin system write it's own mechanism for loading them | 02:47 |
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| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is really meant to be used by core developers that create plugin entry points | 02:48 |
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| @rizen | not so much for people who write plugins | 02:48 |
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| dionak | ah, ok. | 02:48 |
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| @rizen | so if at some point you decided "JT, I think that session sub-objects should be pluggable?" | 02:49 |
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| @rizen | i'd say, great, let's use WebGUI::Pluggable to make that happen | 02:49 |
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| dionak | gotcha | 02:50 |
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| @rizen | have you seen the pluggable URL and content handlers | 02:56 |
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| @rizen | i would think that those would probably be quite useful to Knowmad | 02:56 |
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| dionak | i'm trying to envision how to use that | 02:57 |
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| perlDreamer | you could use it to call PHP | 02:58 |
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| dionak | so we could setup urls that handle content in a certain way? | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | well for URL handlers | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | you can write a custom application at a specific URL that is not an asset | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | therefore it doesn't load the asset system on those requests | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | and thusly is much faster | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | and less resource intensive | 02:59 |
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| dionak | nice... | 02:59 |
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| dionak | so we could use that for integrating software | 02:59 |
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| dionak | which we do a lot | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | also, some people don't want to write assets because they are too complicated, or you never want more than one instance of it on a site | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | absolutely | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | that's a great example | 02:59 |
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| @rizen | you still have all of webgui's resources available, but you choose how to use them | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | rather than being confined to the asset architecture | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | for reusable content objects, asssets are great | 03:00 |
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| dionak | wow, that's really very useful. | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | but for integration, assets are rarely great | 03:00 |
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| @rizen | and for content handlers...have you ever wished you could have your own pluggable operations? | 03:00 |
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| dionak | yea, | 03:01 |
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| @rizen | well with content handlers you could make your own operations system that would do whatever you wanted it to do | 03:01 |
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| @rizen | instead of op= you could have knowmad= | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | as in /page?knowmad=dothis | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | all the existing ops will still work | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | but now you can add your own things | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | and since it's not using the op= interface | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | you don't have to worry about conflicting with future changes in webgui | 03:02 |
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| @rizen | because knowmad= is your own namespace | 03:02 |
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| dionak | so if i wanted to use another piece of software for say, forums or blogging or whatnot, I could just hook it in? That will certainly open up the possibilities for selling the CMS. | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | oh yeah | 03:03 |
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| dionak | Yea, that will work well. I'm looking forward to trying that | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | ever since i built the asset system into webgui it has become more of a cms and less of a framework | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | it's moving away from it's framework roots | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | so i decided it needs to get back tot he basics | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | which is why i introduced pluggable url and content handlers | 03:04 |
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| @rizen | if you're interested, there's an article in the black blog that explains it a little | 03:04 |
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| dionak | cool, i'll share it with the group and check out the blog. Btw, I just noticed how few articles are on Sitepoint.com for perl. Looks like a good writing opportunity. | 03:05 |
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| @rizen | never even heard of that site | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | but if it's low on perl articles, you're right | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | a great opportunity | 03:06 |
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| dionak | it's a top site on the web | 03:07 |
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| dionak | check it out. i have to grab some dinner. thanks for the info! | 03:07 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5234 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: switched macro system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: converted WebGUI::Operation to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:33 |
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| nuba | 'night folks | 05:15 |
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| @rizen | howdy | 05:15 |
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| nuba | off to bed! | 05:15 |
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| @rizen | bye | 05:16 |
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| @preaction | although i get annoyed by it, i am liking how the writing of tests are revealing bugs in almost completely unrelated areas | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | latest bug: I seem to get intermittent "Cannot call purgeRevision on an undefined value" when rolling back a version tag containing Threads, but rolling back by going into the site itself works just fine | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5236 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Added migration utility for Gallery | 08:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5237 /branch/doug-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 15:38 |
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| BartJol | good morning to you | 15:55 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 17:05 |
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| wgGuest40 | i have a question | 17:05 |
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| wgGuest40 | a macro can return a array of elements? | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | well I think so | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | it might complicate your return statement | 17:09 |
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| wgGuest40 | why? | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest40 | why the return statement will be complicated? | 17:14 |
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| BartJol | well, just a layout thingy, if all the output is placed on one line without delimiters | 17:16 |
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| BartJol | I'm not an expert in these matters, just trying to help... | 17:17 |
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| @rizen | macro can't return an array | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | it must return a string | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | that said, if you want it to return a comma delimited string | 17:18 |
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| @rizen | that string could then be passed in to to another macro | 17:18 |
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| wgGuest40 | ok | 17:22 |
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| wgGuest40 | thanks | 17:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | It could return a Storable object which could be any complex data structure. | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | oh, they left. | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | freeze is so underutialized :P | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | freeze is bad | 17:42 |
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| @rizen | and not allowed in webgui | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | serializing is bad? | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | actually storable isn't allowed in webgui | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | no serializing is good | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | storable is bad | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | because it's binary storage, which is architecture dependant | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | so it's not portable | 17:43 |
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| @rizen | we recommend serializing to json | 17:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hmm......so freezing on my x64-86 won't thaw on my x86? | 17:44 |
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| perlmonkey2 | json is good too. json is also underutialized. it is especially good for moving data to/from JS :) | 17:45 |
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| perlmonkey2 | FYI: Storable has 'nstore' which is arch independant. | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | it's supposed to be arch independent | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | but we had some problems with it a while back | 18:09 |
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| @rizen | people transitioning from PPC to intel on mac lost a bunch of poll data as a result | 18:10 |
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| @rizen | so we decided then that it was time for it to go away | 18:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Wow, well that sucks. I won't be using Storable anymore then. | 19:00 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah! "Clean" test results again! | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | wahoo pd | 20:00 |
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| @rizen | nice job | 20:00 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: Do the modules in Operation/*.pm need to be Plug'ed, too? | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | are there any other than auth that load plugins? | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | i don't think so | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | i already made Operation.pm use pluggable | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | Several of the modules load things using eval. | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | oh | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | SpellCheck, Workflow | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | then yes we should do it | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | oh good point | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i forgot about those | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | you want me to do it, or are you going to do it? | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i suppose i should | 20:22 |
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| perlDreamer | I can do a few of them today | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i shouldn't make you clean up my mess | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | that's bad | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | i'll do it | 20:23 |
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| perlDreamer | as you wish | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | i'll do it now | 20:23 |
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| perlDreamer | ack eval Operation/* | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to leave commerce as is for now | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | since i'm working on replacing it | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | ooh | 20:24 |
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| @rizen | i should be using $class->can in WebGUI::Pluggable | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | that would be a good extra check | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | would that work on procedural code? | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | or just on objects? | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | no just on the objects | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | i don't think that would work on procedural | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | but if it would, that would be sweet | 20:25 |
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| @rizen | could you look that up for me? | 20:25 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 20:26 |
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| perlDreamer | no procedural code | 20:26 |
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| perlDreamer | and doesn't work on AUTOLOADs | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | oh crap | 20:30 |
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| @rizen | then maybe i shouldn't do it | 20:30 |
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| @rizen | because then i can't use instanciate() on form controls | 20:30 |
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| perlDreamer | not unless you call the form directly, instead of going through WebGUI::Form | 20:31 |
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| perlDreamer | iirc, WGBP says that AUTOLOAD is not recommended | 20:31 |
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| perlDreamer | but I don't know if we've thought that far ahead yet | 20:31 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but autoload makes the form system usable | 20:32 |
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| @rizen | without it, the form system wouldn't be nearly as cool | 20:32 |
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| @rizen | wow there are a lot of plugin points in webgui that i forgot about | 20:42 |
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| @khenn | like what? | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | form controls, workflow activities, form helpers, workflow helpers | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | just to name 4 | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | Asset constructors | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | i18n | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | Help | 20:43 |
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| @rizen | no, you did the last 2 | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | and i know about asset, i just don't know how to do that one yet | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I was just adding to the list of plugin points | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | it's a bit more complicated | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | oh, i thought this was a list of ones i forgot | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | not a complete list | 20:44 |
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| @khenn | yeah the ones you forgot | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | my bad | 20:44 |
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| @khenn | pd just started listing them all =) | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | for a complete list we also have auth modules, macros, url and content handlers | 20:44 |
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| @rizen | oh and any object for that matter | 20:47 |
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| @rizen | as a parameter to a workflow activity | 20:47 |
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| perlDreamer | whoa | 20:53 |
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| perlDreamer | I think I found the first WebGUI constructor that doesn't take a session object | 20:53 |
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| @rizen | which is? | 20:54 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI::Search::Index | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | that's a mistake if that's the case | 20:54 |
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| @rizen | it certainly should have a session | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | hm | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | I guess it does get a session, but it takes an asset as an argument | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | it must get the session from that | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | ah | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | yeah it doesn't make sense to pass it in twice | 20:56 |
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| @rizen | pd could you look at line 323 of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance for me | 21:01 |
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| perlDreamer | sure | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | it seems like that shouldn't work | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | because $params is an array reference | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | and i think it should be @{$params} to make it work | 21:03 |
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| @rizen | but there haven't been any complaints, so i don't know what's up | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe they don't take params yet? | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | or all expect array references? | 21:03 |
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| perlDreamer | my Workflow/Spectre-fu isn't that great | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | but it looks like it's creating itself over again | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | because $class and $method come from $self, rather than the activity | 21:07 |
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| perlDreamer | obviously, I'm not paying enough attention in the Workflow class :) | 21:10 |
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| @rizen | i think i'm going to stop second guessing myself | 21:10 |
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| @rizen | it's obviously working or workflows everywhere would be going to hell in a handbasket | 21:11 |
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| perlDreamer | in my Workflow Instance table, all classes and methods are NULL | 21:12 |
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| @rizen | you probably only have maintenance workflows up right now | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | which have no objects | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | most workflows are maintenance type | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | but approval workflows work on version tags | 21:13 |
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| @rizen | and lots of other workflows work on groups and users | 21:13 |
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| perlDreamer | you're right, I don't have any of those running right now | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | workflow is kind of an insane bitch | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | but i'm glad i wrote it | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | it makes so many other things in webgui so much nicer | 21:14 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll understand it better once I've tested it | 21:14 |
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| @rizen | like the new commerce system for example | 21:14 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll understand that once I've tested it, too | 21:17 |
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| @rizen | you won't have to test that | 21:17 |
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| * perlDreamer briefly considers changing his nick to V'GER | 21:17 |
| @rizen | i'm building it doing test driven dev | 21:18 |
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| @rizen | holy crap, i just cut about 40 lines out of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance due to WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:18 |
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| perlDreamer | refactoring rocks | 21:19 |
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| @rizen | overall I'd say WebGUI::Pluggable has eliminated about 250 lines of code | 21:19 |
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| @rizen | oh wait, ->can will work with the forms system | 21:27 |
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| @rizen | because it's in the AUTOLOAD method that we call can | 21:27 |
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| @rizen | we're not calling it on an autoload method | 21:28 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): converted workflow system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:34 |
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| cap10morgan | should ?op=spectreGetSiteData ever return an empty json object? (i.e. just "{}") | 21:41 |
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| @rizen | no, at the very least it should have 2 nodes, the workflow and schedule nodes | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | i forget the exact labeling | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | ok, that's what i thought | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | hmm, my sites are returning empty objects | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | on 7.4.14 | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | i'll try restarting | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | those nodes may be empty if you have no schedules or workflows | 21:42 |
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| @rizen | but they should at least exist | 21:42 |
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| perlDreamer | is there anything in your webgui.log? | 21:42 |
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| cap10morgan | right | 21:43 |
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| cap10morgan | no, i need to turn up the logging level though | 21:43 |
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| perlDreamer | there is one way for it to return {} | 21:43 |
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| perlDreamer | and that's if you make an out of subnet request | 21:43 |
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| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ah, that could be | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | see line 62 of Operation/Spectre.pm in HEAD for an example | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | if the request is out of subnet, it will issue a security warning and then fall through to the bottom | 21:44 |
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| cap10morgan | yep, that was it | 21:44 |
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| cap10morgan | thanks pD | 21:44 |
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| perlDreamer | no sweat | 21:44 |
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| @rizen | pd you around? | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | i don't understand what i'm looking at in WebGUI::Operation::Help _loadHelp | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | oh nevermind | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | now i do | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | crap | 22:14 |
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| @rizen | i don't know how to load it though | 22:14 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): migrated forms system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5240 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: converted to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
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| @preaction | would non-508-compliant asset templates in the core be considered a minor/cosmetic bug? | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | depends upon the asset | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | or since WebGUI is international, is there an international standard we can achieve? | 22:33 |
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| @preaction | i seem to be getting bunches of questions about 508 and accessibility these days | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | the internatlonal standard is WAI compliance put forth by the W3C, however many countries (including the US) require their own compliance standards | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | for example, the project manager asset as far as i'm concerned, doesn't need to be WAI compliant because it is an intranet style app | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | my reply is invariably: depends on what the designer does, but a minor audit i conducted gave a few places where we could improve (if we're not, in fact, breaking 508) | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | however, any app used by the general public should be WAI or section 508 compliant | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | ah, of course | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | the Collab System being one of those that might need a little 508 help | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | probably | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | it's such a big ass app these days | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | inaccessible tables, there needs to be all manners of weird tags in tables | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | that too | 22:35 |
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| @rizen | soooooooooooo cooool | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to have to bring that up in one of the black blog NEXT posts | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I'd split it into two parts | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | 1) the load | 23:32 |
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| perlDreamer | 2) the data access | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | i'm thinking about leaving it as is | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | since it's a special case anyway | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | or does that seem bad? | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | "It's always easy to stay within strong boundaries." | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd covert the load to use Pluggable | 23:36 |
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| @rizen | your mom is a ______ | 23:38 |
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| @preaction | when a workflow activity has an error, it's supposed to increment the priority level, correct? | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | ex-nurse | 23:38 |
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| @rizen | in spectre yes | 23:39 |
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| @rizen | not in the workflow table | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | ok | 23:39 |
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| @preaction | seems to not be happening, which is causing the same 5 activities to keep running over and over. i'll try to find out why | 23:40 |
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| @rizen | blame apeiron | 23:41 |
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| @rizen | it's fun | 23:41 |
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| @apeiron | No, see, that's apeiron v1.0, the 2.0 model isn't fun any more. | 23:42 |
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| @apeiron | However, recent versions of khenn are still fun to blame. | 23:42 |
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| perlDreamer | does it throw an exception when falsely blamed? | 23:42 |
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| @apeiron | Of course. | 23:43 |
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| perlDreamer | must be good code then | 23:44 |
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| @rizen | let's try | 23:45 |
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| @rizen | my $apeiron = $pb->getEmployee("chris"); | 23:46 |
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| @rizen | say $apeiron->blame; | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | you forgot to catch the exception | 23:46 |
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| @rizen | i'm waiting to see die output | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | so far nothing is printing | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | this is a slow program | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | hrmmm...maybe it's hung | 23:47 |
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| @preaction | it's backed up with errors from other processes | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | i guess i'll have to kill it | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | `killall apeiron` | 23:47 |
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| -!- apeiron was kicked from #webgui by rizen [rizen] | 23:48 |
| perlDreamer | it's a remote process, all you did was detach it | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | that seemed to work | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | oh no | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | kill one employee object and an old one pops up in it's place | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | ping vayde | 23:50 |
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| @rizen | hrm | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | resurrected! | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | it's not responding either | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | but the apeiron process spawned again | 23:51 |
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| @rizen | it appears that killall needs a --stay-dead option | 23:51 |
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| @preaction | so the getSuspendedQueue in spectre is supposed to have the same priority as the original workflow. and the "workingPriority" is the new priority that spectre itself uses? | 23:51 |
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| perlDreamer | I told you that this was just a remote connection | 23:51 |
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| @apeiron | Error: caught fatal MessingWithApeiron exception! Aborting... | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | finally some output from that damn program | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | i guess he was right, you can't blame him without trapping the exception | 23:53 |
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| vayde | hey rizen, how you been? | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | preaction: that sounds right, but i don't know unless i look at the code | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | terrible | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | wow i must need a new computer | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | my ping command took forever to respond | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | and it didn't follow protocol either | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | the vayde program is broken | 23:54 |
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| vayde | lol. yeah. I get that alot | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | looks like it's just the spectre.pl --status message, it doesn't show the right working priority for suspended workflows, i expect because they're added to the suspended queue at their original priority | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | there's still legacy workflow activities that have a 60-second run-time, would it be cool if I made that configurable? i've got 26000 e-mails and a site that seems to add them faster than they can be removed | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I think 60 seconds might be an "important" number | 00:30 |
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| perlDreamer | like, the spectre time ping interval | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | it was, but that was changed iirc | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | because now we have the workingPriority thing | 00:31 |
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| perlDreamer | well, if that's so (and admittedly, my spectre-fu is weak) then it should be okay to configure it. TMRFE buy-in is always good. | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | i updated the time, the job runs every minute now, but it still only gets rid of about 20 each time, which takes (say) two minutes (due to spectre overhead and other factors) | 00:32 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math (26000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 00:33 |
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| perlbot | 1.80555555555556 | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | 20 email/minute seems very, very slow | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | it'll take two DAYS to get through these... | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | which server is that? | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | the Alumni site | 00:33 |
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| @preaction | they continue to stress parts of WebGUI that I don't think anybody else does | 00:34 |
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| perlDreamer | I meant, which email server? sendmail, qmail, exchange .. ? | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | we use sendmail iirc | 00:34 |
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| perlDreamer | and it will take two days as long as no new ones are added | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | they have applications that allow them to send large HTML-formatted mails | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | and they're using the collab as an email list server? | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | to every user in their database | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | 20,000+ | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | so i think they used it once, maybe twice (since they can also configure who gets the messages, so not everyone has to) | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | so i was thinking some sort of message priority / first-in-first-out system | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | since important messages like lost passwords and welcome messages with important instructions are not getting sent out because they're behind (ordered by what though) other, less important messages | 00:36 |
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| perlDreamer | A FIFO system will still block, but the messaging priority sounds good. | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | ordered by priority first, FIFO second (to make sure there's absolutely no chance that this kind of thing can happen again, unless the priorities are messed up | 00:37 |
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| perlDreamer | I see. ORDER BY priority, dateSubmitted | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | so i propose both really, because if you send a huge mass at the same priority, and then add another mass, but expect the first to be send before the second, you'll be disappointed | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | laugh, i'm up to 28000 now :p | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | see, that's 10% more in 5 minutes | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | we need to find a better way to do large messages/large recipient sets | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | since most of there are the same message? but it's possible to personalize, no? | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | isn't that what the "toGroup" thing in mailQueue is for? | 00:41 |
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| perlDreamer | sure, but would a forking dispatcher help? Is sendmail the limiting factor, or is it Spectre? | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | the application generates a list, but it could generate a Group instead | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | it seems like some get sent faster than others | 00:42 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll be back in a while | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math (28000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 01:29 |
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| perlbot | 1.94444444444444 | 01:29 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5242 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a check in update() for whether isExportable exists, preventing problems | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: with users upgrading from previous versions of WebGUI. Tested in an upgrade | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: from 7.4.0 -> SVN head (i.e., 7.5.0). | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5243 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: Add a missing \t in the output of addIsExportable. | 03:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5244 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Keep the session tracking, but hide it behind an environment | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: variable to keep the line noise down. Also, add user and | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: group tracking. | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5245 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a stub test for newByDynamicUrl, that really should | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: have been a stub test for update. | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add tests for getNotFound, testing what is returned for both | 06:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: a page and a Snippet. | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you awake and willing to answer inane testing related questions? | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | that depends, are you inane enough to handle the answer? | 06:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe | 06:19 |
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| @preaction | then fire away | 06:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm having no luck trying to use Test::Builder to TODO-ify tests in Test::Maker | 06:23 |
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| * nuba wonders if hes inane enough to watch the exchange.. | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | So I'm wondering why it isn't working | 06:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | the only thing I can think of is that it's OO instead of procedural | 06:24 |
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| * diakopter lurks | 06:24 |
| nuba | diakopter: want some popcorn? | 06:25 |
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| @preaction | so because Test::More doesn't see that it's currently inside of a named TODO: block at some nesting depth, it doesn't truly label them as TODO? | 06:25 |
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| diakopter | nuba: i have plenty, thank you | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Right | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should commit the code | 06:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's harmless (useless) | 06:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you can look | 06:26 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's in | 06:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | the code is straight out of the Test::Builder::Module docs | 06:27 |
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| @preaction | perhaps todo_skip would be better? does that work? | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes and no | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | skip will make the tests not run | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I want these tests to run | 06:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wonder | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | since nothing is exported, import is never called | 06:32 |
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| @preaction | look at Test::Builder and look for <level> and tell me if that's what we're looking for | 06:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did. The Builder docs are bad | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's why I chose Builder::Module | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | but maybe the whole premise is wrong | 06:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5246 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): add prototype Test code to allow Test::Maker modules to handle TODO | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | and I should include that stuff in new | 06:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll try retrofitting to tht | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | that | 06:35 |
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| @preaction | uhm, is there two package statements in WebGUI::Test::Maker now? | 06:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | No. Why do you ask? | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | it looks like the entire module got duplicated and pasted into itself | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | weird | 06:36 |
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| @preaction | i think it might've been there for a while | 06:37 |
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| @preaction | it should only be 192 lines, not 384 | 06:37 |
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| @preaction | same thing with Test::Maker::Permission | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | the svn repo looks okay | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | my local copy looks okay | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | for Test::Maker | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll check Permission next | 06:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | It looks okay, too. | 06:38 |
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| @preaction | ha, i think it's because i'm looking at a different codebase :p | 06:39 |
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| @preaction | yeah :p | 06:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | phew | 06:39 |
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| @preaction | is there a test i can use to play with? I'm going to start messing around with Test::Builder and/or Test::More to see why it's happening | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | Asset/Asset.t | 06:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | see the commented out code for canAddMaker2 | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's also what I'm using, so it should be easy to duplicate results | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | so i uncomment the code and try that? | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | and also the TODO code down below that calls the run method | 06:41 |
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| @preaction | k | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | level looks right. It should kick things up 1 level | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | so 92 and 93 are failing, when in fact they should be TODOing | 06:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | right, they should fail AND be TODO'ed | 06:44 |
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| @preaction | right, but it's not one level, they've decended a level because they're being called inside the Test::Maker | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | though i really don't quite understand it | 06:45 |
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| @preaction | ok() is called in Test::Builder, up one level would be the TODO: block, up one more would be main::, in a normal situation | 06:46 |
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| @preaction | so if ok in Test::Builder is instead called in Test::Maker, which is called in a TODO: block, which is called from main, it would need to go up one more, no? | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | so adding 1 to Test::Builder::Level, localized? | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | lets try | 06:47 |
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| @preaction | omg it works | 06:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | using Builder::Module? | 06:48 |
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| @preaction | adding 'local $Test::Builder::Level = $Test::Builder::Level+1;' as line 189 (or somewhere at the top of the run() sub) | 06:50 |
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| @preaction | i think it's using Builder::Module, it's using runUsers() | 06:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | You're a genius | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | You know what happens now right? | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to bow to you. | 06:51 |
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| @preaction | but then, wouldn't that runUsers introduce another level of depth? | 06:51 |
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| @preaction | so why does it work? | 06:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe it's caller depth, not stack depth | 06:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | we're two packages deep, regardless of how many subroutines are called | 06:52 |
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| @preaction | that sounds weird. Test::Builder uses caller() to try to find it, isn't that the stack depth? | 06:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure. | 06:53 |
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| @preaction | meh, i expect it'll be an exercise for a later day, after we find another way to break things ;) | 06:53 |
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| * perlDreamer bows | 06:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks for collaborating, preaction | 06:54 |
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| @preaction | np, interesting problems are always fun, i don't come across nearly enough in my daily work ;) | 06:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | any luck with the email bomb? | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | new ways on how to manage site-wide collateral data and reporting are so boring i'm making some superclasses that will cut my work by at least 70% | 06:55 |
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| @preaction | yes and no, the e-mails have stopped increasing, but there's nothing i can do to keep things going faster really | 06:56 |
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| @preaction | it only came to our attention because of some problems with version tags, perpetual. | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I found another good buglet today | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | but it's not really fixable | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | If you instanciate an object inside a version tag, then commit the object | 06:56 |
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| @preaction | i've put enough logging info it's pouring out of my eyeballs and i can't find the exact piece of code causing a workflow activity to be created and the version tag and all assets gets destroyed, but the activity remains | 06:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | weird | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | the bug graham fixed last week might cause it, so i'll be putting that patch in | 06:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, it mucks things up if you purge a parent before a child now | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | they're getting upgraded to the first 7.5.0 beta as soon as it gets released, so there's that blessing (right now they're running a patched 7.4.13) | 06:57 |
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| @preaction | i think there might also be a problem with trying to create a child while the parent is still in a pending state, but i could've swore i tried that one already | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it a collab system? | 06:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | if so, there's definitely a problem | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | custom application allowing users to post photos, stores those photos in a folder | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | seems that most of the problems happen when the folder is created | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | if a child ever has to get getParent, it will puke | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | getParent can't find uncommitted parents | 06:59 |
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| @preaction | that... doesn't sound good | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's exactly what we found in the Gallery/Album tests | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | getParent should, imho, always get the parent. if there's no committed parent it should get the uncommitted one | 07:00 |
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| @preaction | but then, how could there be a committed child ... because i don't test for that before allowing children to be added to Gallery | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | so long as you don't access a method that calls getParent, you can do anything you like | 07:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think all the containers should override and extend addChild to make sure of it | 07:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | right now it's checked in the interface, but not the API | 07:02 |
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| nuba | hey guys, quick question: on the maps asset im generating some javascript which I'd think would be better if using a template instead of mixing perl code and many chunks of HEREDOCs or string concats.. | 07:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | templating tends to be slow | 07:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | how about sprintf? | 07:04 |
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| nuba | the thing is, if I create a template, chances are the users could delete it and break the asset | 07:04 |
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| @preaction | that's the chance you take with all assets | 07:05 |
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| @preaction | Time Tracker, Project Manager, huge parts have javascript that unless copied perfectly will break | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | i would suggest a snippet though, or if it's absolutely necessary for all asset functionality, a script in the Extras folder | 07:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | but I think it's variable, that's why he wants to template it | 07:06 |
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| @preaction | you could either include it yourself using session->http->setScript or have the template do it | 07:07 |
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| @preaction | oh | 07:07 |
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| @preaction | no way to make it an Object of some kind? | 07:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuba: for stuff like that I use sprintf with a heredoc. It's the lightest weight template available in pure, core perl. | 07:07 |
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| nuba | i wanted to throw it in the headBlock of the template, just to figure out that headBlock isnt processed, just included as is in the head. | 07:08 |
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| @preaction | i would offer up the Event www_edit method as an example of how that can go horribly horribly wrong | 07:08 |
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| @preaction | put it on top of the markup in the Template area, or make it an object of some kind that you instanciate in the template part | 07:09 |
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| nuba | personally, i'm inclined to embed a template in a $javascript_template scalar, and process it | 07:09 |
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| nuba | possibly with TT instead of HTML::Template if it starts to get more complicated. would that be ok? | 07:10 |
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| nuba | or thats not the webgui way? | 07:10 |
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| @preaction | no way to just write out some JSON? | 07:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I see what you mean. But you're still using quoting and string concat vs a HEREDOC/sprintf | 07:10 |
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| nuba | well if I write JSON then i'll move the complexity to javascript. | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | nuba: there's no "good" way to do it. It's either slow or ugly. | 07:11 |
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| nuba | i'd rather keep it in perl | 07:11 |
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| nuba | by complexity i mean the decisions of what javascript to run | 07:12 |
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| nuba | i'd rather decide at the perl code what javascript to create | 07:12 |
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| @preaction | not sure on the policy of TT v. HTML::Template. I hear rumors of moving to TT exclusively using an updated WebGUI::Asset::Template | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | but i don't know what'll happen to them | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | i expect HTML::Template will remain the defacto standard for now | 07:13 |
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| nuba | i think i'll stick with heredocs for now | 07:13 |
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| nuba | but thanks guys for the input | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | I heard rizen talk about the templating, too, preaction. There's a HTML::Template dialect in TT now. | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, imma commit this, the test is commenting up | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that's what he was talking about i think | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | already committed | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | oh k | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5247 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): make Maker/Permission.pm handle TODO tests | 07:18 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5248 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: convert the commented out code into TODOs | 07:18 |
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| nuba | looks like $session->style->setRawHeadTags is my new friend.. | 07:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's good stuff | 07:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | it even has a test suite | 07:23 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5249 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/HTML.pm Maker/Permission.pm): fixed Test::Maker::HTML Level. added some comments for future generations | 07:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5250 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: refine the one newByDynamicClass test | 07:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | now if only I could get the related bug fixed with addAssetPrivilege, we could resolve the test and unTODO it | 07:51 |
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| diakopter | JT: you around? | 19:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | anyone about? | 08:01 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I've got an old 6.8.10 webgui setup - can I download the latest wre and upgrade it using that to the latest? | 08:03 |
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| AMH_bob | Hallo Diego, | 10:24 |
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| AMH_bob | Heb je een link naar de opzet gemaakt voor de product catalogue? | 10:24 |
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| BartJol | does anyone knows what version of WebGUI is currently on the translation site? we plan to try to keep the Dutch translation up to date, but I can't find the version. Is it always the one most recent? | 10:37 |
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| xdanger | shouldn't the read_limit be a little higher by default than 64Mb? | 12:20 |
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| xdanger | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 12:20 |
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| BartJol | maybe someyhing to do with users that randomly uploading files | 12:23 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
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| BartJol | Same question as this morning (at least morning for me), is the WebGUI version on the translation server always the latest version? | 16:47 |
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| nuba | BartJol: i believe whoever is working on any translation for webgui, is using the translation server | 17:05 |
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| BartJol | well, no\ | 17:06 |
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| nuba | since most people would prefer a web based interface than editing the source files, i guess | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | Arjan is working on a local machine | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | and I'm not sure whether he commited the translation | 17:06 |
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| nuba | the translation server also has the convenience of automatically keeping track of new strings as they're added to the releases | 17:06 |
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| BartJol | I know | 17:07 |
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| nuba | well in the early days you had to mail JT the translation to be imported there | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | I remember from my first translation a couple of years ago | 17:07 |
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| BartJol | but, is the server always running the latest (stable) version? | 17:08 |
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| nuba | dunno | 17:10 |
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| BartJol | but probably we will be using the PB translation server in the future | 17:11 |
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| nuba | oh sorry i just read you question again, i got it wrong | 17:11 |
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| nuba | i thought you asked if the translations at the translation server were always the latest ones | 17:11 |
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| nuba | you were asking about the webgui version tho | 17:11 |
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| nuba | my bad | 17:11 |
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| BartJol | no sweat, thanks | 17:11 |
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| BartJol | is the script I send you working? | 17:11 |
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| nuba | i didnt use it yet, im hacking other pressing things atm | 17:12 |
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| nuba | but i'll have use for it, thanks for sending :) | 17:12 |
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| nuba | just not while this deadlines are breathing in my neck :/ | 17:13 |
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| BartJol | :) | 17:13 |
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| BartJol | off course | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest26 | hello | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest26 | i have a small problem at installation | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest26 | ca someone please helpme ? | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello | 19:43 |
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| wgGuest82 | someone can help me with a problem at installation please? | 19:44 |
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| nuba | whats going wrong? | 19:50 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 20:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | when i am runnig wreconsole.pl i am getting this message | 20:14 |
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| wgGuest82 | [root@localhost sbin]# /usr/bin/perl wreconsole.pl | 20:14 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 20:15 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at wreconsole.pl line 1024 | 20:15 |
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| wgGuest82 | malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 20:15 |
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| @preaction | why are you using your system's perl when you should be using the WRE's perl? | 20:31 |
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| wgGuest82 | i did not knew | 20:35 |
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| @preaction | best to do this: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh <- note the space between the . and the / | 20:36 |
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| @preaction | then just "perl wreconsole.pl" or even just "wreconsole.pl" | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | the JSON that ships with the WRE should wokr | 20:37 |
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| wgGuest82 | one moment | 20:37 |
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| wgGuest82 | i try this now | 20:37 |
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| @preaction | but, if you could open up a new terminal, do a perldoc -l JSON, and let me know what the $VERSION is, I would appreciate it | 20:38 |
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| @preaction | if they're going to deprecate something, we're going to need to prepare for it | 20:38 |
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| wgGuest82 | ok | 20:40 |
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| wgGuest82 | 1 sec please | 20:40 |
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| wgGuest82 | the version of perl is 5.8.8 and version of webgui si 0.8.1 | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | i mean what version of the JSON module you were using that gave you that error | 20:44 |
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| @preaction | also, just to make sure, you're using the WRE 0.8.1, which probably downloaded WebGUI 7.4.18 | 20:45 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes i am using wre 0.8.1 | 20:47 |
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| wgGuest82 | in the JSON.pm i found a variabile that states version=2.04 | 20:48 |
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| wgGuest82 | i dont have much experience with perl modules | 20:48 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
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| @preaction | now open up that file and look for $VERSION | 21:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | i found $JSON::VERSION='2.04' | 21:04 |
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| @preaction | that works, thanks | 21:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | $XS_VERSION='2.01' | 21:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | ok | 21:05 |
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| perlDreamer | to answer BartJol's question from this morning, I believe the translation server runs off of SVN HEAD, not the latest stable version. | 21:51 |
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| wgGuest82 | perldreamer can you help me with some problems at installation please | 21:56 |
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| wgGuest82 | ? | 21:56 |
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| perlDreamer | what kind of problems are you having, wgGuest82? | 21:56 |
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| wgGuest82 | one moment please | 21:58 |
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| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 21:59 |
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| wgGuest82 | this is the error i getting | 22:00 |
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| perlDreamer | Are you using the WRE? | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | JSON is version 2.04 | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | perl is 5.8.8 | 22:00 |
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| wgGuest82 | i am running red hat with wre 0.8.1 | 22:00 |
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| perlDreamer | the WRE supplies its own JSON and perl and apache and mysql | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | you must not be running it | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | did you run . setEnvironment from the WRE sbin directory? | 22:01 |
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| wgGuest82 | i don run apache or mysql | 22:01 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | what does perl -v report? | 22:01 |
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| perlDreamer | actually, hold on a sec | 22:02 |
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| perlDreamer | how can you run WebGUI without using apache or mysql? | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i386 | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | etc | 22:02 |
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| wgGuest82 | i am using apache | 22:03 |
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| wgGuest82 | i just dont have the service started | 22:03 |
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| perlDreamer | what are you doing to produce the error message? | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | perl wreconsole.pl | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | after that localhost.localdomain:60834 | 22:04 |
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| perlDreamer | and you continue to get this error message after you do the . setEnvironment ? | 22:04 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:04 |
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| perlDreamer | which shell are you using? | 22:05 |
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| wgGuest82 | bash | 22:05 |
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| wgGuest82 | after i run setenviroment.sh i run echo $? and it returns 0 | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | please do echo $PATH > myPath and paste it using the pastebin site in the title. webgui.pastebin.com | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | then paste the URL here | 22:06 |
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| perlDreamer | it's not possible that you run the setenvironment script and still point to an operating system perl library. | 22:07 |
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| nuba | besides the jsonToObj warnings wgGuest82 is getting this too | 22:07 |
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| nuba | wgGuest82> malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 22:07 |
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| nuba | looks like a malformed json file to me | 22:07 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 22:07 |
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| wgGuest82 | you're back | 22:08 |
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| nuba | yup. im always online on irc, even if im not at the computer, i leave the client connected here | 22:09 |
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| wgGuest82 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3e852bf5 | 22:09 |
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| nuba | just found out this week's FLOSS is about YUI | 22:09 |
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| nuba | FLOSS Weekly 23: The Yahoo User Interface Library | 22:10 |
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| nuba | http://twit.tv/floss23 | 22:10 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest82: your path is not being set by the setEnvironment script | 22:10 |
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| perlDreamer | so it's still pointing to the system perl, not the WRE one | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | and hence your JSON warning about obsolence | 22:11 |
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| wgGuest82 | you are right | 22:11 |
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| wgGuest82 | how do i corect this | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | I _think_ the setenvironment script is in /data/wre/sbin | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | head over there and see if I'm right | 22:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE myself | 22:12 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes it is there | 22:12 |
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| wgGuest82 | and from there i run it | 22:12 |
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| nuba | you run it with . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
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| perlDreamer | . <space> setenvironment ? | 22:13 |
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| nuba | its a dot, a space, then | 22:13 |
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| nuba | /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, what nuba said | 22:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:13 |
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| wgGuest82 | i try again now | 22:13 |
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| nuba | it would be nice havin setenvironment setting a $WRE variable | 22:14 |
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| nuba | so you could just ask people to paste here the output of echo $WRE | 22:14 |
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| nuba | or maybe echo $SHELL $WRE | 22:16 |
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| perlDreamer | I like it. Make it an RFE and I'll see if I can implement it. | 22:16 |
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| wgGuest82 | guys thanks for the help | 22:16 |
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| wgGuest82 | it is working now | 22:17 |
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| nuba | cool | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | i probably messed up something | 22:17 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm guessing your earlier problem was not specifying the whole path to setenvironment | 22:17 |
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| perlDreamer | but in any case, I'm glad it's working for you now | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | i run wreconsole.pl with the perl from wre | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | thks for you help and patience | 22:17 |
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| wgGuest82 | have a good night | 22:18 |
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| wgGuest82 | :d | 22:18 |
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| nuba | you too | 22:18 |
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| nuba | oh also | 22:18 |
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| nuba | you can change your nick with /nick mynewnick | 22:18 |
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| nuba | so you can hang out here with a proper nick instead of wgGuestxx if you want | 22:18 |
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| -!- wgGuest82 is now known as Bodanel | 22:19 |
| Bodanel | ok | 22:19 |
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| nuba | there you go | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | i dont use irc channels so much | 22:20 |
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| @apeiron | Although if you're gonna do that, you may as well get a proper IRC client. :) irc.freenode.net, #webgui | 22:20 |
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| nuba | next time a Bodanel joins here we may remember its you :) | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | il do that | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 22:20 |
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| Bodanel | you will see me again | 22:21 |
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| Bodanel | now i am experimenting webgui | 22:21 |
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| Bodanel | bye everybody | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | later | 22:21 |
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| nuba | have fun | 22:21 |
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| @apeiron | Ciao, have fun. | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | He was very persistent. That's a good trait in new users | 23:10 |
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| @preaction | as long as he learns / listens | 23:10 |
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| perlDreamer | "indeed" | 23:11 |
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| nuba | yeah | 23:19 |
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| nuba | he seemed thankful, and looking forward to come back as he goes experimenting | 23:20 |
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| nuba | it would be good if experimenters of today turned channel regulars of tomorrow :) | 23:20 |
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| @preaction | i'm starting to think there needs to be a measure of critical installed mass to start upping the population here | 23:25 |
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| nuba | worried it could turn all of us into 1st level of customer support ? :) | 23:27 |
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| nuba | that can be scary :/ | 23:27 |
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| @preaction | not really, we kinda are | 23:29 |
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| @preaction | for my purpose, in order to keep on top of what's going on in the WebGUI community, i read every board and post when it's appropriate | 23:30 |
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| @preaction | usually when i notice something that could be wrong with WebGUI, such as the new JSON API that's going to cause problems unless we switch | 23:31 |
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| Radix__ | woohoo.. my source build of the wre completed | 00:32 |
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| Radix__ | didn't think that was ever going to happen to be honest :) | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | :p oh ye of little faith | 00:41 |
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| Radix__ | it kept on failing at GSSAPI | 00:46 |
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| Radix__ | it'd try and install Authen::SASL, which had a required module gssapi and it would always fail to install | 00:47 |
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| Radix__ | I found the right things to apt-get to get it working in the end | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | what version of debian/ubuntu? | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | still wouldn't build tho.. so ended up doing a full clean and rebuild and went to bed | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | debian 4, etch | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | might want to post a build log to the dev list with the difficulties you went through | 00:48 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5252 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added userDefined fields to GalleryAlbum assets. Modified Gallery::Utility to migrate userDefined fields from Threads to GalleryAlbums. Added tests for the previous. | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | the prebuilt one didn't work.. wanted a specific version of glibc | 00:48 |
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| Radix__ | would it be worth packaging this one up as a binary for debian 4? | 00:49 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: could you please add asset committing to the Gallery Utility test while your'e working on it? | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | is that why the purgeRevision is failing? | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | better question: is that a bug in purgeRevision? | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | perhaps, but why get the working tag if you're not going to commit it? | 00:50 |
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| @preaction | to isolate my changes and be able to roll them all back at the end | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | that won't isolate your changes since each addChild will get the current working tag anyway | 00:51 |
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| @preaction | it also creates the working tag so that i have it to be able to roll it back without having to go look for it | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | I didn't know that uncommitted tags could be rolled back | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll have to study the versioning code some more | 00:53 |
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| @preaction | all a rollback does is purge all the assets in the version tag | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | rather, all the revisions | 00:54 |
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| @preaction | revisions can be pending and still be purged | 00:54 |
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| perlDreamer | I see | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | but then you're still stuck with getParent always failing | 00:55 |
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| @preaction | is getParent versioning-aware? that might be a bug too | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: my biggest frustration is always trying to figure out what is a bug in code, vs poorly written code. | 01:47 |
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| perlDreamer | In other words, who is wrong? | 01:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Only rizen can answer that question | 01:48 |
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| perlDreamer | since he wrote it | 01:48 |
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| @preaction | i tend to think about what I would want, i would want versioning to be a completely-working method to change as much as I want without pushing them to the live version until i'm satisfied | 01:49 |
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| @preaction | no matter if i'm using code or actually editing it myself | 01:49 |
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| @preaction | so to say, the "spirit" of the code, not the letter ;) | 01:49 |
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| perlDreamer | If rizen's cool with changing that, I'm perfectly cool with it too. I just like passing test suites | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | i'm more a fan of failing test suites, it exposes bugs ;) | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | correct tests that fail ;) | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | well, if y'all have a weekly kind of meeting, maybe you could bring it up and talk it through | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | if the API can change or be altered/fixed, then it should be done | 01:51 |
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| @preaction | not sure if those are API issues really, some parts of the Asset class just aren't very aware of versioning, and we're running into them a lot | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | i can write something to the dev list about it | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | ... and after an hour of migrating content, i begin to worry that the script is just spinning its gears... | 01:58 |
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| elnino | hi. The help file system is very powerful with the i18n support and all, but my macros are really only useful to us. Is there a way I can write help files within WebGUI, without having to create a corresponding i18n file as well? | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | no | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | although the macro help has been pulled out of the core and put into the wiki instead | 02:01 |
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| perlDreamer | you could take a similar approach | 02:01 |
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| elnino | so, my custom macros will no longer list automatically in the webgui help? | 02:03 |
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| perlDreamer | it's been a while since i've worked in that system | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | I think they'll list | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't think they link anymroe | 02:06 |
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| perlDreamer | that's as of 7.4, btw | 02:08 |
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| elnino | That's too bad, It was certainly convienent to see al the "help" in one place. But Good to know before I spend all my time writing .pm help files. Is there | 02:08 |
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| elnino | I'll look at the 7.4 readme/history to see if I can figure it out... | 02:08 |
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| elnino | Thanks! | 02:08 |
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| @preaction | i'm thinking about re-writing the Settings tab in order to (a) accomodate as much stuff from the .conf file as possible and (b) since there'll be a whole slew of new stuff, adding some search capabilities to make setting things easier | 02:13 |
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| @preaction | yea or ney? it's a longer-term project, since the Report asset is first | 02:13 |
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| @preaction | something like CompizConfig Settings Manager, with the tabs on the side and a searchbar thingy | 02:14 |
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| nuba | two thumbs here for moving things from .conf to Setting! | 02:16 |
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| nuba | thumbs up, that is | 02:16 |
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| @preaction | in order to start up, though, the DSN, database user, and database password must remain in the config file, but those are unlikely to ever need changing, whereas installing assets requires changing config | 02:17 |
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| elnino | The only thing the change log says is that they removed the Table of Contents - which is where the macros help files were linked into. I suspect that there are people out there that have put in a lot of time customizing help, I'm surprised that this was removed? Was this a reqeust? | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | it's a performance issue, i18n is loaded into memory, being Perl data structures | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | without the i18n for the Help files, we cut something like 12M resident | 02:18 |
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| @preaction | iirc. the IRC logs have the true answer | 02:19 |
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| elnino | Hmm. That makes sense> I guess I would have had it as an install option. But I'm glad I found out before writing a bunch of help files. | 02:19 |
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| elnino | re config: less config files more settings via the application I think is much easier. Sounds good to me. | 02:20 |
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| nuba | i like config files having just as little as required to boot | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | actually i'll have to look. i'm pretty sure preload.perl does some magic with the configured class names. that might have to change to use either Module::Pluggable or WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:22 |
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| @preaction | which could increase the resident size, since all the classes in WebGUI::Form, WebGUI::Macro, WebGUI::Asset WebGUI::Workflow::Activity will be loaded at the get-go, no matter if any site is configured to use them | 02:23 |
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| nuba | true | 02:25 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: you might want to check the IRC archives for a discussion on that | 02:27 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen hasn't been favorable about that in the past | 02:27 |
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| perlDreamer | something about the config being loaded on startup, where as settings are hit on every request | 02:28 |
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| @preaction | humph... sounds like a challenge to me ;) | 02:28 |
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| @preaction | but yes, that would be bad | 02:28 |
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| perlDreamer | you know where the online archives are... | 02:29 |
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| nuba | are the irclogs archived somewhere? | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | jukka does it for us | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 02:29 |
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| nuba | cool. i've got irssi on auto-logging, but of course that works only when im here :) | 02:30 |
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| @preaction | i'll write something to download them and index them later :p | 02:32 |
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| @preaction | would it be prudent to make an Asset/api.t test that can be copy/pasted to make sure that all assets conform to the same API? perhaps an additional one for Wobjects? | 02:35 |
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| @preaction | god.. give me a week off and just see what explodes out of my head :P | 02:35 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: I think the real answer is Test::Class | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | copy and paste is bad | 02:36 |
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| perlDreamer | very bad | 02:36 |
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| nuba | preaction: wget -r to download, grep to search :) | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | ooh | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | nuba, thanks | 02:36 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, will investigate before i start writing this api test for my new Report interface | 02:37 |
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| nuba | grep -i to make it case insensitive, and -C 10 to give you 10 lines beore and after each grep hit | 02:37 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd love to see the Gallery tests refactored to reuse code, rather than copy and paste | 02:37 |
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| Khaytsus | I updated my WebGUI from 7.3.18 to 7.3.22, no problem. Updated 7.3.22 to 7.4.19 and now when I restart httpd I get this: | 02:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm | 02:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Didn't have any upgrade errors... And I'm not finding anything on this error. Any suggestions? The website sorta shows, but doesn't load much beyond the main page content. | 02:38 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, is Template installed? | 02:39 |
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| perlDreamer | It's probably coming through the config file, with TT as a plug-in | 02:39 |
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| Khaytsus | Is it separate? I'm really not sure | 02:39 |
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| Khaytsus | Let me look at config | 02:39 |
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| @preaction | Template is perl's Template Toolkit | 02:39 |
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| @preaction | TT or TT2 | 02:40 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmm, let me check that | 02:40 |
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| Khaytsus | Template::Toolkit ? | 02:40 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, i like Test::Class. I like it a lot. it could compartmentalize our tests immensely (each test sub could create its own version tag and rollback after its done) | 02:40 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, no. it's just Template | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 02:41 |
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| @preaction | Template.pm | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | but think of the rewrite | 02:41 |
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| * perlDreamer shudders | 02:41 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, admittedly, but if we can use it going forward | 02:41 |
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| perlDreamer | I agree, but I won't have time myself to work on it until after the testing book chapter is written | 02:42 |
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| perlDreamer | it would need a branch | 02:42 |
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| perlDreamer | 'cause we won't make 7.5 either | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | and it's an ugly rewrite, but it doesn't have to be a rewrite really, they can co-exist until the Test::Class heirarchy covers enough | 02:42 |
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| Khaytsus | preaction: Okay I'm a moron, I'm not sure where to find that then.. cpan I'm coming up with a bunch of template related stuff, but. | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | Khaytsus, try cpan Bundle-Template perhaps? | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | durno though | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | you don't need to install it | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | unless you actually use it | 02:43 |
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| * perlDreamer heads home | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | Okay, let me peep in the config now | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | Aha, I found their website | 02:43 |
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| Khaytsus | duh, just "install Template" | 02:43 |
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| @preaction | you can just remove the WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit from your Template Plugins section | 02:43 |
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| * Khaytsus hugs preaction | 02:46 |
| Khaytsus | Nothing in the config, but installing TT2 did it :D | 02:46 |
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| Khaytsus | Thank you! | 02:48 |
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| Khaytsus | Do you happen to know one other question? I had some collaboration systems set to 1 year archive, didn't really mean to.. Is there an *easy* way to find the articles, assuming I can't just search for them? Ie: I want to unarchive all of them. I've searched Assets all over, they stashed anywhere together? | 02:48 |
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| @preaction | they're all in the database. they're in the same place, really, just have a different state | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | search the wiki for "magic numbers" | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | sorry, it's "status" | 02:50 |
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| Khaytsus | I saw a reference to that, let me read it closer | 02:52 |
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| Khaytsus | So the most direct method is sql queries for status=archived ? | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | otherwise, though i don't know what other consequences this might have, just update assetData set status=approved where status=archived | 02:55 |
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| @preaction | if i'm not mistaken, the only thing that uses the archived status is the collab system | 02:56 |
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| Khaytsus | k | 02:56 |
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| @preaction | standard disclaimers apply | 03:01 |
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| Khaytsus | yep, I'm umm.. attempting a select first.. sql is not a strength :) | 03:04 |
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| Khaytsus | aha, got it | 03:04 |
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| Khaytsus | select title from assetData where status like 'archived'; | 03:05 |
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| Khaytsus | Looks safe | 03:05 |
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| Khaytsus | hmm, I see dups.. I wonder if it archives old versions | 03:07 |
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| @preaction | probably. not sure if the archive system is version-aware | 03:08 |
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| Khaytsus | I'm reading the entries to see | 03:09 |
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| Khaytsus | aha yeah I can do selective updates with a title,revisionDate query | 03:13 |
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| Khaytsus | Yep, that worked. I had to edit something else so it would let me commmit, then the 'fixed' threads are showing :) | 03:34 |
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| @preaction | oh, since you did a raw DB edit, clear the cache by rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 03:37 |
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| Khaytsus | restart httpd and/or spectre? | 03:38 |
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| Khaytsus | Hmm, why can't I find the "help" level.. It's extremely wordy right now in settings etc | 03:40 |
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| metanil | hello everyone | 03:40 |
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| metanil | what should i do if want to aggregate some articles and show it in new article page? .. is there any assets/tool available? | 03:40 |
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| @preaction | like from an RSS feed? | 03:48 |
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| metanil | yes | 03:51 |
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| metanil | actually i want to show them in my dashboard(asset). | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | i think you'd need to make a Syndicated Content asset, and then you can make that available to the dashboard | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | but i'm not an expert on the dashboard at all | 03:54 |
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| @preaction | if there's not one already, it would be a good idea to write a tutorial on the WebGUI wiki on adding content widgets to the dashboard. | 03:54 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yay.. I got my new WRE/WebGUI install working :) | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | woot! | 03:55 |
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| @preaction | is it just me, or is this channel been unusually active since the new year? | 03:56 |
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| +Radix-wrk | now to recreate the content I had before (couldn't be bothered upgrading as only had a few pages and it was still using 6.8.10) | 03:56 |
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| metanil | So currently we don't have syndicated content asset.. right? | 04:05 |
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| @preaction | metanil, what do you mean? There's a Syndicated Content asset | 04:06 |
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| @preaction | not sure if it's allowed in dashboards | 04:06 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, you can use it in dashboards | 04:07 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I use it at work to get the weather info on our intranet dashboard | 04:07 |
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| @preaction | dashboard is a crazy-powerful piece of worksmanship that needs to start coming into its own. i wonder how many people actually use it | 04:07 |
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| @preaction | sounds like a good poll for WebGUI.org | 04:08 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I didn't really get a feel for how to use the dashboard until I went to the WUC and someone mentioned it | 04:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it's an unusual, but very cool asset | 04:11 |
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| metanil | oops.. it was only available after logging using admin user | 04:11 |
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| @preaction | that's probably a ui level issue | 04:12 |
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| metanil | i think the URL to RSS should be pointed to something which return RSS .. right? | 04:27 |
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| @preaction | hover over the label for "URL to RSS", it should pop-up a little help box | 04:27 |
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| metanil | yes.. i did it. and rss site will return like charm. | 04:28 |
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| metanil | but nothing showed up if pointed to some articles. | 04:28 |
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| metanil | i mean articles(assets) of webgui | 04:28 |
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| @preaction | so it's not an RSS feed at all | 04:31 |
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| @preaction | you might be able to make a shortcut to the page, or make shortcuts to those assets, or something of that nature | 04:31 |
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| metanil | like link? | 04:31 |
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| @preaction | no, Shortcut | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | a Shortcut asset | 04:32 |
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| metanil | hmmm | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | a Redirect asset is more like a link. a Shortcut allows you to do fun things | 04:32 |
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| @preaction | like override templates, content, title, url, groups, etc... | 04:32 |
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| metanil | but i don't see any assets that called something "shortcut".. | 04:33 |
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| metanil | BTW, i'm quite new to webgui | 04:33 |
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| @preaction | i know. you might be interested in buying some of the books that plainblack offers, as this place is not really to be used for people learning how to do things in WebGUI | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | ah, you have to click on the More link in the asset manager to get Create Shortcut | 04:34 |
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| @preaction | then you can move that shortcut where you want it | 04:35 |
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| @preaction | it's not going to be an aggragate, unless you shortcut the page (then it'll get the page, which gets all the articles on the page) | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | consequently, you might prefer to use a Collaboration System just so you can get the RSS feed it produces | 04:36 |
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| @preaction | (instead of Articles) | 04:36 |
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| metanil | hmmm.. | 04:40 |
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| metanil | i'm looking at shortcut.. | 04:40 |
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| metanil | its cool! | 04:40 |
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| @preaction | it's crazy. there are some seriously awesome things you can do with them | 04:42 |
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| @preaction | and they work great with dashboards | 04:42 |
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| metanil | ya.. but the i have to do aggregation manually to each articles description. | 04:45 |
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| metanil | i cannot automate it.. so i think if i change the source code for description in shortcut asset, then it will work. | 04:46 |
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| metanil | btw, when i log out and then log in why it tries remain in same page (rather than home page)? | 04:56 |
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| @preaction | because that's how it works. it's more convenient imho | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | you can change that, but i forget how | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | something like returnUrl or proceed | 04:58 |
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| @preaction | probably returnUrl | 04:58 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. if I have the wre/webgui on 80/81 - and I have another apache server running a couple of static html/php websites on port 82/83/84/85 etc.. what's the best way to add them to the wre modproxy setup without breaking any of the wre addsite functionality? | 05:08 |
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| @preaction | creating new "sitename.modproxy" with <VirtualHost> blocks? | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | shouldn't interfere with addsite | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah? okay.. that'd do it then | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | i'd advise against adding anything to httpd.modproxy.conf | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yeah, was thinking the same | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | since i think that can be overwritten by the wreconsole.pl script | 05:09 |
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| +Radix-wrk | wasn't sure what the best way to do it was tho :) | 05:09 |
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| @preaction | dunno if wreconsole does things intelligently. i think httpd.modproxy.conf is just a processed template output now | 05:10 |
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| +Radix-wrk | cheers doug | 05:11 |
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| @preaction | though you might want to not try to make a new site using the addsite script with the same name as one of the site you're adding manually | 05:11 |
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| +Radix-wrk | yah, that'd be silly :) | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | the old wre 0.7 would cheerfully overwrite everything | 05:12 |
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| @preaction | i don't know if the new WRE 0.8 changed that | 05:12 |
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| metanil | returnUrl is macro? | 05:29 |
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| @preaction | no, it's a url parameter | 05:29 |
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| metanil | any example.. actually url parameter has to be some value. | 05:37 |
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| metanil | http://webgui.example.com/home/utilities?op=auth;method=logout;op=returnUrl; | 05:37 |
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| metanil | ? | 05:37 |
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| metanil | i searched both wiki and forum.. but couldn't get results. | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | the url parameter is named "returnUrl", and again, i'm not sure | 05:41 |
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| @preaction | the value would be the url you want them returned to | 05:41 |
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| metanil | hmm.. i think both proceed and returnUrl is not working.. .. its showing same page. | 05:44 |
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| @preaction | not sure it's supposed to work when logging out, but i'm pretty sure it works when logging in | 05:45 |
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| metanil | hmm.. lets try then. | 05:46 |
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| @preaction | sorry, it's "redirectAfterLogin" | 05:46 |
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| metanil | o o.. | 05:47 |
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| metanil | it should be parameter while login in right? | 05:47 |
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| metanil | not while logging out. | 05:47 |
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| @preaction | dunno if any of it works. looks like it's a session scratch, not really a url parameter. | 05:48 |
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| metanil | oops | 05:48 |
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| metanil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d48841d30 is the code which makes redirection after login .. right? | 08:09 |
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| @preaction | yes. it gets the session scratch variable | 08:10 |
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| metanil | so if i don't want redirection (or redirection to only one page) we need to modify this file OR is there exists a same thing from webgui admin console. | 08:20 |
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| @preaction | you can set the appropriate scratch variable if you want | 08:21 |
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| @preaction | i'd suggest making a macro that would set the scratch variable | 08:22 |
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| @preaction | modifications to that file would need to be maintained through upgrades, which could get annoying | 08:22 |
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| metanil | hmm.. | 08:23 |
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| @preaction | you could even make a simple, stupid macro called SetScratch that would take a scratch name and set the value. post it onto an RFE and i could probably get it into WebGUI core | 08:27 |
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| @preaction | or, at least, draw the developers' attention to the fact that there's no easy way to redirect after login | 08:28 |
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| metanil | hmm.. first i'll try it by myself. | 08:32 |
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| metanil | is the webgui configuration file is /data/WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original? | 09:07 |
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| @preaction | no, that's the original one. there should be something in there like www.example.com.conf | 09:07 |
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| @preaction | with your site name | 09:07 |
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| metanil | oo | 09:08 |
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| metanil | ya | 09:08 |
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| metanil | i did http://webgui.pastebin.com/d38e39cd but its still not working. | 09:42 |
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| metanil | i did this through macro | 09:42 |
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| metanil | it now worked!! | 09:52 |
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| BartJol | morning | 11:46 |
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| @preaction | morning | 11:47 |
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| BartJol | hee | 11:47 |
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| BartJol | maybe you know | 11:47 |
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| @preaction | oh i expect i might | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | do you know the policy of the version management on the translation server | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | when it is replaced | 11:48 |
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| BartJol | what version it is currently | 11:48 |
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| @preaction | it's taken out of SVN HEAD | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | from what i understand | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | maybe it's current beta / testing | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | yeah, that sounds more accurate, current beta / testing | 11:49 |
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| BartJol | ah, mmm | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | it's running on plainblack.com | 11:49 |
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| BartJol | yes | 11:49 |
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| @preaction | let me finish this ugly SQL statement and i'll check for real | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | ok | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | thanks | 11:50 |
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| BartJol | it also might be usefull to have a banner "currently we are translating WebGUI version x.x.x" you don't see the version even in the html or the exported tar | 11:52 |
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| BartJol | or maybe you can, I'm quite stupid you know | 11:52 |
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| @preaction | writing an SQL query that can extract text from HTML is not fun. but it's even worse when the HTML is not well-formed or valid... | 11:53 |
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| BartJol | is that why you are up so late? | 11:53 |
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| BartJol | or are you watching the pre-elections? | 11:54 |
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| @preaction | that's why i'm up so late | 11:54 |
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| BartJol | can imagine | 11:54 |
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| @preaction | 12 hours watching a long migration script run multiple times to fix bugs, and now a couple hours fixing bugs in a different client's SQLReports that I wrote to make RSS feeds | 11:55 |
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| @preaction | lesson learned number 1) Don't force SQLReports into doing things it can't handle | 11:55 |
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| @preaction | 2) Don't let anyone tell you "We only want this." They don't know it yet, but they want more. | 11:55 |
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| BartJol | sound familiar | 11:55 |
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| BartJol | especially #2 | 11:56 |
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| @preaction | can't go back now though, the original spec was for something that wouldn't even do what this SQLReport does :( | 11:56 |
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| BartJol | but does it have to extract from html documents or from generated html? | 11:59 |
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| BartJol | not that i can help you with this... sorry | 11:59 |
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| BartJol | just moral support: those bastard customers! | 12:00 |
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| @preaction | it extracts from html that's copy/pasted into an HTMLArea, i could've swore i cleaned it up some, since there were already problems with bad markup, but apparently not enough | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | but no parser that i know of can make bad html into well-formed html | 12:02 |
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| @preaction | anyway, the i18n editor pulls from /data/WebGUI, so it's the same webgui that plainblack.com is running | 12:03 |
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| @preaction | that's where the template comes from, the files are saved outside of that and then committed to SVN | 12:03 |
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| BartJol | ah, ok, that's nice to know | 12:03 |
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| BartJol | so each upgrade of plainblack also updates the translation server | 12:04 |
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| BartJol | is there a possibilty that we can get a notification before pb.com is upgraded? | 12:04 |
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| @preaction | in essence, yes. there will be new variables to edit, if any | 12:05 |
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| @preaction | pb.com is upgraded immediately before every WebGUI release | 12:05 |
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| @preaction | so if you know when the release is, you know when pb.com is being updated | 12:05 |
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| BartJol | ah, just keep checking the forum, irc aand website | 12:06 |
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| @preaction | or use your RSS reader to subscribe to the plainblack.com newsfeed, or the webgui.org newsfeed | 12:06 |
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| BartJol | ah, that might be wise | 12:07 |
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| BartJol | thanks | 12:07 |
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| @preaction | np | 12:07 |
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| BartJol | good luck with the sql rreport | 12:09 |
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| BartJol | and don't forget to sleep | 12:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Were any webgui sites effected by this weekends injection attacks (I would assume no)? | 16:51 |
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| bartjol | not as far as I know, everything seems to be ok here | 16:56 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: the problem is that there aren't enough whackos | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | are you referring to tbb? | 19:35 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 19:35 |
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| @rizen | well if all whackos are as good as you, i'll take 10,000 please | 19:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm an off-the-curve whacko | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | few are as whacked as me | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | except for you | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | every time i think about contributors i think, how do i get more colins | 19:39 |
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| perlDreamer | tuba playing church webmaster perl bigots are rare | 19:41 |
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| perlDreamer | especially chip designers who have crappy jobs with lots of spare time for daytime hackery | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 19:43 |
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| @rizen | so true | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | maybe there are others where you work | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, there's a python bigot across the hall | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | And one guy who builds cars from scratch | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | (not at work) | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | i could send you some t-shirts, gooeys, and wg stickers so you can start a covert webgui contributors group where you work | 19:44 |
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| @rizen | they don't have to be coders | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll start with Tim and Peter! | 19:45 |
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| @rizen | article writers, template designers, documentation writers, etc are all welcome | 19:45 |
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| @rizen | must go get food now | 19:45 |
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| -!- rizen is now known as rizenishungry | 19:45 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know man | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Eating is the number one contributor to obesity | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Causes gas | 19:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Think of how your water bill would shrink if you could throw away that toilet | 19:47 |
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| perlDreamer | medical studies have shown that a lower metabolism (caused by reduced food intake) extends life | 19:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Yay, all I have to do is ad a method for the drag and drop reorder of questions and the questions should be mostly done in the survey. Then cut and paste a lot of code for the questions. Do the survey load and survey save. And then I'm mostly done with the survey edit part of the project. And since the WebGUI and survey display should be more like normal CGI dev, it shoudl go fast. Maybe by Friday this thing can be in Alpa :D | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | people won't ever run a test suite on a production database, right? | 20:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | /for the questions/for the answer types/ | 20:10 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:14 |
| nuba | perlmonkey2: eating less, working out.. jeesh! | 21:22 |
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| nuba | weirdo | 21:22 |
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| nuba | oops, that was for perlDreamer | 21:22 |
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| -!- rizenishungry is now known as rizen | 21:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | yeah, I do the opposite. | 21:22 |
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| nuba | yeah, eating out, working less, sounds much better ;) | 21:34 |
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| perlDreamer | works for me :) | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I love Test::Deep | 22:56 |
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| nuba | deep love? | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | deep test love | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | It provides a way to check that an element in a data structure is a number along with a fudge factor | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | so that it makes it easy to compare times | 22:58 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5253 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm t/Session/Id.t): | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add a method that returns the regexp used to validate generated GUIDs. This should | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: prevent the regexp from proliferating all through tests and code. | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Also, add a test for the method, which just checks that it returns a regexp. | 23:03 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: Hey buddy, got your ears on? What's your 10-20? | 23:04 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been looking at PassiveProfiling and wondering how bad the impact would be of using getLineage instead of the SQL query in addPage | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest89: what's up? | 23:11 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, don't make the switch | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | it will be worse | 23:18 |
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| perlDreamer | ok | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | I've been reading WGBP and thinking a lot about encapsulation and DRY | 23:20 |
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| * perlDreamer solemnly swears not to let the air out of wG's tires. | 23:21 |
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| wgGuest11 | Hello everyone | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: Hello | 23:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you have a question to ask | 23:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | I do | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, let's have it, man! | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Don't be shy | 23:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Sail it on out here. | 23:25 |
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| wgGuest11 | For some reason typing from IE it's extremely slow, so please bare with me | 23:25 |
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| wgGuest11 | In our company, we have users authenticating via NT domain. Can NT authentication be added to WebGUI 0.8.0? | 23:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes, but it would take a custom Authentication plugin | 23:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Also, WebGUI is at version 7.4.xx, the WRE is at 0.8.0 (and currently at 0.8.1) | 23:29 |
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| wgGuest11 | you can tell I'm new to this | 23:31 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not a problem. | 23:31 |
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| perlDreamer | We were all new at one point | 23:31 |
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| wgGuest11 | Is there any custom plugin created? That you know of. I thought I saw something about that on the forum but for version 6 | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | version 5 had one | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | called SMB auth | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | but it would need to be rewritten | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | to match the 7.x auth system | 23:32 |
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| @rizen | it used to be included in webgui, but everyone ditched NT domains for active directory domains a long time ago, so we got rid of the module | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | well, almost everyone :) | 23:33 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 23:33 |
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| wgGuest11 | What can you suggest I do? I not a programmer. Experts-exchange? :) | 23:34 |
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| @rizen | hire plain black to make it | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | experts exchange likely won't help you becaue they aren't familiar with webgui | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | you need to hire a webgui specialist | 23:35 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer consulting might be able to help you out too | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I've heard that perlDreamer consulting is booked up through mid February with Commerce and Book work | 23:36 |
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| perlDreamer | besides, Plain Black knows the Auth stuff inside and out | 23:40 |
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| wgGuest11 | Do you any idea how much something like that would cost? | 23:57 |
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| * perlmonkey2 thinks .oO(If you have to ask) | 00:00 |
| nuba | maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em | 00:02 |
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| nuba | :D | 00:02 |
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| wgGuest11 | "maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em " Don't scare me please. | 00:04 |
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| wgGuest11 | :) | 00:04 |
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| nuba | hehe | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: it would take a while to look at, but offhand/unofficially/don't quote me I would say it would be several k$ as an outer bound. | 00:08 |
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| nuba | myself, i can ensure you, and you can quote me on that, that zero dollars will certainly be a lower bound :) | 00:09 |
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| wgGuest11 | 2 , 3 , 4? I just need to have an idea if it's worthless or if I should wait until we migrate to AD. Also, can LDAP be used with NT? Maybe using OpenLDAP? | 00:09 |
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| nuba | i think there's no chance they'll ask for less than zero dollars | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | "or less than zero dollars " ???? | 00:10 |
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| nuba | sorry im feeling a bit comic today. thats what happens when mathematicians act funny. | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:10 |
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| wgGuest11 | don't confuse me more. As a latino, I'm already confused enough. | 00:11 |
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| nuba | cool, where are you from? | 00:12 |
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| nuba | im from Brazil, but I wouldn't say we are inherently confused | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest11 | PR but live in FL | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest11 | I know nuba... :) | 00:14 |
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| nuba | so, wgGuest11, this channel is mostly a hangout place for people in the webgui community, | 00:15 |
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| nuba | some plainblack staffers are around, but im not sure this is the best place to get a quote from them | 00:15 |
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| nuba | if none of them replies, your best bet is calling them or sending an email, contacts should be easy to find at the website | 00:17 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If I weren't so busy, I would offer to do it for 1 million dollars. | 00:18 |
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| wgGuest11 | you are mean | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Just betting, I'd say somewhere between 2-4$ | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | I was just trying to get a freebie :) I noticed there was something already created for version 6 and I figured why not to ask. | 00:19 |
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| wgGuest11 | Can anyone suggest a good starting point to learn Perl? | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | perlbot learn perl | 00:21 |
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| perlbot | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ | 00:21 |
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| perlDreamer | go Haarg! | 00:22 |
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| perlDreamer | He's famous now. | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | uhoh | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest11 | perlbot learn perl, a book? | 00:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | never mind | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Learning Perl, by Randal Schwartz is a good book to use to learn perl | 00:24 |
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| wgGuest11 | how about the blackpearl | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | I've heard that's good, too, but unless you're a programmer, you may want to start down a notch or two. | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | the perl black book is what JT always recommends, but I prefer Learning Perl and Beginning Perl | 00:25 |
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| @preaction | Learning Perl is for those who know how to program and want to learn how to do it in Perl. Beginning Perl is for those who don't know how to program | 00:26 |
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| @preaction | BP taught me how to program, for that matter | 00:26 |
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| wgGuest11 | I started school in Computer Science and then moved to Networking. I know basic of C++, VB .net | 00:27 |
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| nuba | you can throw in Mastering Algorithms in Perl, too, if you want to increase the computer science content of your perl studies | 00:28 |
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| @preaction | if you know programming concepts already, Learning Perl and Programming Perl (the llama and the camel) are probably your best bets | 00:28 |
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| wgGuest11 | http://www.perl101.org/ | 00:29 |
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| wgGuest11 | Cool, guys, thanks a whole lot for your help. Take it easy | 00:29 |
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| nuba | talking about books, anyone reading MJD's Higher Order Perl? | 00:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | nuba: Actually that reminds me. I ordered that like a month ago and it never showed up | 00:30 |
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| wgGuest11 | need books, www.ebookee.com :) | 00:30 |
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| nuba | i've just started on it and its good so far | 00:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The new surveys will be made up of sections of questions. Can anyone think of any options a section shoudl have besides randomizing the questions it contains? | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | required / optional? | 00:36 |
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| @preaction | timed? | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | (just brainstorming here, up to you of course) | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | the qeuestions themselves have optional options.....I wonder if that should be settable in the section to make it global....I like it. | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | probably need a "description" | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | not sure what to do about timed...... | 00:37 |
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| @preaction | yeah, timed might be far more trouble than its worth | 00:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I have a header text, which will all a text to come before a new set of questions. you can have empty sections to have a page just of text seperating questions. | 00:38 |
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| @preaction | it'd need a JS timer that would submit with the questions | 00:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: perhaps a little simpler? Just have the timestamp of when the survey was opened and compare the the latest question submission. If time has run out, post "so sorry", if time has not ran out, post normally but with the "time left" data posted for the JS to display. | 00:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But that might be a survey wide attribute rather than sections.....but I like the way you're thinking. | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | right, but then you run into the problem where they don't get to submit what they've completed | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | pm2 the second option is probably better | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | and can't be cheated | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | a la standardized testing | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | sections might have section pointers | 00:40 |
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| @preaction | i suppose a message, or a periodic submit after questions. perhaps "timer" should be a global thing | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | like after you've completed this section, what section do you go to next | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | save your progress every once in a while | 00:41 |
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| perlmonkey2 | sections will go in order, but question answers can be dragged onto questions in other sections. So you can have three questions in S1 that go to S2, S3, S4, depending on the answer. | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | people seem to like colors too | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | maybe sections should have a color | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | i have no idea why or how you'd apply that | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | sorry, just spewing nonsense | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I mean three answers in S1Q1 so S1Q1A1 goes to S1 etc. | 00:42 |
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| @rizen | i'll stop now | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I like the color idea....in the edit screen was going to make sections a different colored bar in the questions div. | 00:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html only new question does anything for now. | 00:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | also, something is wrong with it in opera....haven't diagnosed. | 00:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll really need your graphics guy. I keep moving the buttons around but can't find a layout I like. | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | he's back from vacation | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | did you email him? | 00:46 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The questions div could grow to hundreds in size. Answers will probably have an upper bound of 20. So there could be a situation where a person has to scroll waaay down to click on a question to edit, then scroll waaay back up to edit it in the edit box. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That will be party solved by sections being clickable so that they hide all the questions in them. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | not yet. | 00:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but I will tonight | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | nice fix | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | i like that, the closing sections thing | 00:50 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Sorry, work. | 01:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but yes, I hated the idea of hundreds of questions scrolling down forever, so the "tree"-ish sections idea pretty much solves it. | 01:24 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll email your guy when I get home (I don't use my personal email at work). | 01:25 |
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| nuba | any recommendations for javascript debugging? besides firebug.. | 02:02 |
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| @apeiron | nuba, I've been using Firebug in tandem with the Web Developer plugin. | 02:03 |
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| @apeiron | Although I imagine someone else here probably has a better suggestion. :) | 02:03 |
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| nuba | im using both here too | 02:06 |
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| nuba | thx anyway, lets see if someone else posts something else.. | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan_ | in the 0.8.0 addsite script, when it calls $site->create(), it sends parameters named "siteDatabaseUser" and "siteDatabasePassword" but then the create sub looks for params named "databaseUser" and "databasePassword". Is it changing the name somewhere or am I looking at the wrong thing? | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm looking at the SVN version, and it's exactly the same there | 02:44 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd say it's a bug | 02:44 |
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| perlDreamer | good catch! | 02:44 |
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| cap10morgan_ | ah, i see :) | 02:46 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5254 /WebGUI/t/PassiveProfiling.t: beginning to write tests for PassiveProfiling. This is so I can learn how to test Asset->logView | 02:48 |
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| metanil | the name of the template is "style 03" with URL "style_03" .. but the body is referencing "style3/*****.jpg".. | 07:11 |
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| metanil | where is folder "style3".. how can i change that jpg file? | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | there may not be a folder with that url | 07:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | remember, in WebGUI URLs are decoupled from physical organization | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | so then you ask, "Well, how am I supposed to find it?" | 07:12 |
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| metanil | yes exactly | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | in admin mode, if you go to that URL, you should get an editing bar for the image, or the edit form | 07:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, changing default wG components isn't recommended, since an upgrade could undo your work | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's probably better to make a copy and work on that instead | 07:13 |
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| @preaction | but then he has to change every asset to use his new style | 07:13 |
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| metanil | copy means creating another template right? | 07:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:13 |
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| metanil | yes i did that. | 07:14 |
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| metanil | thats why.. the new template is referecing the old image. | 07:14 |
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| metanil | :D | 07:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the name of that thing that lets people edit assets hierarchically? | 07:14 |
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| metanil | what should be name of new 'style3/***.jpg'? | 07:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | anything you want | 07:14 |
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| metanil | as style3 will reference to old want.. | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | Edit Tree, or Edit Branch or something | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | there's also a nice wiki article on how to do just about everything to create your own style | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, my brain is shot tonight | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | eh, i'm working on 16-hour-day number 2 | 07:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | I did something like that once, 16 hour days, 7 days/week for 3 months | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | 8 doing normal work and 8 doing things that will make my normal work easier and more efficient | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | It was nuts | 07:16 |
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| @preaction | jeesus. i couldn't manage that for more than 3 weeks | 07:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's a little easier with a wife, aside from not seeing her and my boys, since she can do laundry and cook food | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | but we vowed to never do that again | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | ever | 07:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | so take it easy on yourself | 07:17 |
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| @preaction | ah, remind me to get my live-in girlfriend to start doing her fair share ;) | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherwise, I'll have to come out to Wisconsin and chew you out | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | you'll like what i'm making, trust me | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm patient, I can wait a few more days for it | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | oh, btw, did you want your own branch? for anything? | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | not right now | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | k | 07:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty tied up with writing a book chapter | 07:18 |
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| @preaction | frank gave me next week off to do my last one, thank vishnu | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | take advantage of it ;) | 07:19 |
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| @preaction | oh i will, it's a chapter on writing Assets, so i expect it'll take the whole week | 07:20 |
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| metanil | i got it.. thanks guys.. | 07:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | np, metanil | 07:21 |
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| metanil | actually my brain was also shot tonight :D | 07:21 |
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| @preaction | np, good luck | 07:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for the board of woe | 07:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | be back in 15 | 07:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | ouch | 07:44 |
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| Bodanel | hello | 09:49 |
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| Bodanel | someone present ? | 09:49 |
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| metanil | everybody's here... | 09:50 |
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| Bodanel | i have a small problem | 09:50 |
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| Bodanel | if i forgot about mysql configuration file my.cf and mysql dont start how can i fix the problem | 09:51 |
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| Bodanel | ? | 09:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 14:22 |
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| BartJol | heee | 14:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey bart! | 14:23 |
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| +Radix_ | evenin martin, bart | 14:37 |
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| BartJol | afternoon Jesse | 14:37 |
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| +Radix_ | been ice skating lately? | 14:38 |
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| BartJol | nope, but Martin has been skiing | 14:38 |
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| +Radix_ | Dutch guy from my work went back home for christmas and said he got to ice skate - was pretty cool he said. | 14:39 |
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| +Radix_ | cool | 14:39 |
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| BartJol | yeah, it was possible, but I was busy doing notthing | 14:39 |
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| +Radix_ | heh | 14:40 |
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| +Radix_ | I miss the beers from delft - managed to get a bottle of Weinerstephan Krystal here, but it's not the same as what it was like when i had it with you guys | 14:42 |
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| BartJol | well, you're always welcome | 14:42 |
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| BartJol | or otherwise maybe at the WUC | 14:43 |
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| +Radix_ | yeah, but a bit of a long way to travel for a beer :) | 14:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey radix | 14:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how are you? | 14:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | miss the netherlands already? | 14:44 |
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| +MrHairgrease | than have two beers | 14:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | halves the travel/beer ratio | 14:45 |
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| Bodanel | Hello all | 15:07 |
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| Bodanel | can someone please help me with something | 15:07 |
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| Bodanel | ? | 15:07 |
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| BartJol | maybe\ | 15:07 |
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| Bodanel | : | 15:07 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 15:07 |
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| BartJol | depends on the problem | 15:07 |
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| Bodanel | one of my collegues installed wre 0.8.1 but forgot to remove my.cnf file for sql | 15:08 |
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| Bodanel | and now sql dont start | 15:08 |
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| Bodanel | i dont know how to fix this | 15:08 |
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| Bodanel | may you help me BartJol? | 15:09 |
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| BartJol | ah, sorry I'm learning right know about installing | 15:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | try to remove (or rename) the my.cnf | 15:09 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 15:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and run the setup again | 15:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i guess that'll do it | 15:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if not | 15:09 |
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| Bodanel | yes ? | 15:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just in stall the wre again | 15:09 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 15:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | install* | 15:10 |
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| Bodanel | but how i undo the modications that wre already did to my system? | 15:10 |
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| Bodanel | or this modifications dont matter? | 15:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | everything the wre installs is under /data | 15:11 |
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| Bodanel | so i remove the /data directory | 15:11 |
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| Bodanel | ? | 15:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so if you want to completely reinstall just remove everything under it. | 15:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and extract the tra ball again | 15:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tar* | 15:11 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 15:12 |
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| Bodanel | thks | 15:12 |
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| Bodanel | il try | 15:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i reckon you don't have any live sites in there right? | 15:12 |
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| Bodanel | no | 15:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | than that must work | 15:12 |
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| Bodanel | i found ou about webgui last week | 15:12 |
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| Bodanel | and now i am in process of testing | 15:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i guess just running setup again will do the trick too | 15:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you can run setup by starting the wre console | 15:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and then goin to the localhost:60???/setup url that's in the docs | 15:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno the port number by hart | 15:13 |
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| Bodanel | 60834 | 15:13 |
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| Bodanel | :D | 15:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:13 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 15:13 |
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| Bodanel | il try just to run the setup and if this does not work il try to remove /data directory | 15:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just follow the install doc | 15:14 |
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| Bodanel | thks for your help | 15:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | worked fine for me | 15:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | np | 15:14 |
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| Bodanel | and for me | 15:15 |
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| Bodanel | but this installation was not done by me | 15:15 |
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| Bodanel | it was one of our web developers | 15:15 |
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| Bodanel | and he does not know linux so much | 15:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well | 15:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | he should =) | 15:16 |
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| Bodanel | it is an old fashion guy | 15:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you mean he only knows vms? | 15:16 |
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| Bodanel | yes | 15:16 |
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| Bodanel | :( | 15:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 15:17 |
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| Bodanel | he started working in it when windows 3.11 was a state of the art | 15:17 |
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| Bodanel | and since then he worked only on windows | 15:17 |
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| Bodanel | the systems with linux were installed by the admin who was here before me | 15:18 |
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| Bodanel | thks | 15:18 |
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| Bodanel | thks agian | 15:18 |
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| Bodanel | i am going back to work now | 15:18 |
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| Bodanel | by | 15:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 15:19 |
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| +Radix_ | Hey Martin - yeah, I miss the netherlands already - was one of my favourite spots that I visited on that trip - mostly because it was so relaxed and easy going and you guys made me feel so welcome :) | 15:37 |
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| +Radix_ | As for how I am.. I'm good.. Yumi's looking at buying a house at the moment - so we're pretty excited about that. | 15:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hmm, this is very interesting: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Making-Money-With-Open-Source-Part-1-Turning-Users-Into-Buyers-61083.html | 16:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Seems like PB already knwos this. | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | quick poll for whomever is listening | 18:42 |
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| @rizen | as i design the commerce system the thing that keeps hitting me over and over again is that i either need to store what currency or unit of measurement each monetary unit or weight is entered using | 18:43 |
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| @rizen | or i have to assume that the store, will always use the same weight unit or currency type through-out the store, and that way i don't have to keep track of it | 18:44 |
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| @rizen | i think the later is the better approach simply because it makes it compatible with any available currency or weight type | 18:44 |
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| @rizen | and perhaps more importantly, there's no unit conversion that has to be done (on the fly currency conversion is not easy or cheap to do properly | 18:45 |
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| @rizen | so my question is: a) store units of measurement, b) assume units of measurement to be uniform store-wide | 18:46 |
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| nuba | i like a) better | 18:49 |
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| nuba | how's it re: currency conversion rates, do you have a feed service from somewhere? | 18:51 |
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| @rizen | currency conversion rates would require that the store owner purchase a feed from somewhere | 18:53 |
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| @rizen | and i'd have to then find some feeds available for purchase and add them into the store | 18:53 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I think there are free feeds | 18:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Google is probably up to date for most merchants. | 18:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Just depends on how badarse you want the commerce system. B is probably good enough for 90% | 18:57 |
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| @rizen | if i can get it at all from google, it won't be a live feed, and there will be a per day transaction limit, and the user will still have to register for a google key | 18:57 |
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| @rizen | my goal is to make it as streamlined as possible for a user to set up a store | 18:57 |
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| @rizen | fill out one form and you get your merchant account automatically registered and you're ready to sell | 18:58 |
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| @rizen | if i add in all this other bs, then it takes out the streamlining | 18:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://www.bankofcanada.ca/rss/fx/noon/fx-noon-all.xml | 19:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I agree with you. | 19:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | the currency could be a plugin? | 19:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | version 2.0 | 19:00 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I like the agile programming guideline of setting a minimum spec and getting it out th edoor, then adding to it as needed. But best to get something out the door first. | 19:01 |
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| nuba | another one http://www.webservicex.net/CurrencyConvertor.asmx/ConversionRate?FromCurrency=EUR&ToCurrency=USD | 19:02 |
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| @rizen | from the time i clicked on that link until the time i received a response was approximately 40 seconds. Not fast enough. | 19:03 |
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| @rizen | at least not for doing realtime currency conversion into the user's native currency | 19:03 |
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| @rizen | i guess it would be ok if there was a background process that picked up the conversion rate every hour or something | 19:04 |
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| perlDreamer | it could be a workflow activity | 19:04 |
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| @rizen | background process = workflow activity | 19:04 |
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| @rizen | as far as webgui is concerned | 19:04 |
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| @rizen | it goes without saying | 19:05 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll say no more | 19:05 |
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| @rizen | heh | 19:05 |
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| @rizen | perlmonkey2 as far as getting this out the door and then adding to it | 19:05 |
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| @rizen | this is a very fundamental change | 19:05 |
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| @rizen | it's not something that can just be easily strapped on | 19:06 |
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| @rizen | as all objects in the system need to account for it if we're going to do it | 19:06 |
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| @rizen | so we might as well get it out of the way now...decide once and for all | 19:06 |
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| nuba | another one http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=s,l1,t1,d1&s=EURUSD=X' | 19:06 |
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| nuba | this one needs some massaging tho | 19:07 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but at least it was fast | 19:07 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: well.......then I'd go with adding the multiple currencies I guess. | 19:07 |
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| @rizen | why though? | 19:08 |
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| @rizen | who's going to use that? | 19:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | actually good point. | 19:08 |
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| @rizen | i've been looking around the internet for a store that does it | 19:08 |
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| @rizen | and haven't found one | 19:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | someone not paying for support won't be large enough to handle international shipping taxes and laws. | 19:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | mini-itx.org | 19:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | pounds and dollars | 19:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | and I think euros | 19:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but they are hard coded or have a cheesy home brew | 19:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ | 19:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but they might be the exception that proves the rule. | 19:10 |
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| @rizen | all seem to be sold in pounds | 19:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | you can change the currency type in th eupper right. | 19:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | "reckoner" | 19:10 |
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| @rizen | ah | 19:10 |
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| @rizen | sorry didn't see that | 19:11 |
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| perlmonkey2 | seems like most sites have a different site for each country they deal in. | 19:11 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Plus paypal and CC's will handle the currency conversion for you, rihgt? | 19:11 |
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| nuba | better now 'http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=sl1t1d1&s=EURUSD=X' | 19:11 |
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| nuba | EURUSD=X",1.4664,"12:10pm","1/9/2008" | 19:11 |
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| nuba | reqs minimal massaging now | 19:12 |
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| nuba | and its fast | 19:12 |
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| nuba | wget -O - 'http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=sl1t1d1&s=EURUSD=X' 0.00s user 0.01s system 4% cpu 0.133 total | 19:12 |
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| nuba | rizen: i found this finance url in Jojo CMS | 19:14 |
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| nuba | http://pluginsvn.jojocms.org/jojo_convert_currency/tags/1.0b1/classes/JOJO/Currency.php | 19:14 |
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| perlDreamer | Is the Dashboard on the cutting block? | 19:34 |
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| @rizen | not that i'm aware of | 19:35 |
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| perlDreamer | The poll on the site made me curious | 19:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Are there any stats on the number of WebGUI users? | 19:36 |
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| @rizen | we (plain black) are aware of around 10,000 webgui deployments | 19:37 |
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| @rizen | how many webgui users that makes i don't know | 19:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That seems largish | 19:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | for an enterprise level CMS | 19:38 |
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| nuba | rizen: how do you want people to add their googlemaps key to the site? | 20:02 |
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| nuba | i thought of a '3rd party plugins' tab in settings | 20:03 |
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| @rizen | per the spec it should be a property of the asset | 20:03 |
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| nuba | and to make it a textarea field, so people can just paste a single key there, | 20:03 |
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| @rizen | text field not textarea | 20:04 |
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| nuba | or write domain.com herethekeyfordomain1 | 20:04 |
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| nuba | domain2 herethekeyfordomain2 | 20:04 |
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| @rizen | huh? | 20:04 |
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| nuba | i mean textarea, not a single-line textfield | 20:04 |
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| nuba | suppose, like plainblack.com and webgui.org | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | because you're going to allow for multiple keys? | 20:05 |
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| nuba | you need a different key for each | 20:05 |
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| nuba | yep | 20:05 |
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| nuba | so unless we add some key management feature where people add domain/key pairs | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | i suppose then a text area would work, but it might be easier for the user if you searated them into individual text fields 2 each line | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | domain and key | 20:05 |
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| @rizen | i really don't care though | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | just as long as it's an asset property | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | i thought about making it global to the site | 20:06 |
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| nuba | now theres this thing, i've written a Form::Location too | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | but in reality most people will likely only put one or two maps onto their site | 20:06 |
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| @rizen | and Form::Location also uses the key? | 20:07 |
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| nuba | well actually i think we need to talk a bit | 20:07 |
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| nuba | got a few minutes? | 20:07 |
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| @rizen | sure | 20:07 |
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| nuba | i have a vision in which you could attach location to any thing in webgui | 20:07 |
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| nuba | :) | 20:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Event calendar | 20:08 |
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| @rizen | ah | 20:08 |
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| perlDreamer | Wiki page | 20:08 |
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| nuba | thats why i wrote WebGUI::Form::Location | 20:08 |
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| @rizen | geo tagging | 20:08 |
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| nuba | yeah | 20:08 |
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| nuba | profiles | 20:08 |
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| nuba | whatever | 20:08 |
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| @rizen | ok | 20:08 |
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| @rizen | well in that case, perhaps your keylist should be specified as a setting in the settings page | 20:08 |
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| @rizen | but then in the asset properties, you should provide a note that the key must be set in your settings in order for the maps to display | 20:09 |
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| perlDreamer | If I'm kibitzing, please tell me to butt out, but if _any_ user can add a location, would each user need their own key, or would they all use the site one? | 20:09 |
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| nuba | my thinking is the site owner sets the site's keys | 20:10 |
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| nuba | user wont know it | 20:10 |
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| nuba | for the map asset, user would be able to see/add/edit/delete locations based on privileges set at the map | 20:11 |
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| nuba | another thing, rizen, i remember you said about porting Keywords to other things besides wikipages | 20:12 |
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| nuba | keywords/tagclouds | 20:12 |
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| nuba | whats your take on that | 20:12 |
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| nuba | ? | 20:12 |
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| @rizen | what's my take on what? keywords? | 20:13 |
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| nuba | porting it to other things | 20:13 |
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| nuba | like events, or posts, etc | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | it's already done | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | when i built it the keywords system was built directly into assets | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | it just needs to be exposed as a user interface | 20:13 |
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| @rizen | to each asset type that wants to suppor it | 20:13 |
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| nuba | oh i didnt see it yet then | 20:13 |
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| nuba | well when i thought this Keywords had been just written.. | 20:14 |
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| nuba | anyway | 20:14 |
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| nuba | i thought if could be nice if you could add locations to anything the same way you could with keywords | 20:14 |
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| perlmonkey2 | function question function answer function whatever shall now be globally namespaced to trample on whomever is included with the same name. | 20:14 |
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| ckotil | adding a UI to add additional keywords will be great. | 20:15 |
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| ckotil | bc i have seen some cases where the indexing script doesnt do a well enough job. | 20:15 |
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| nuba | then i thought what this is doing is like "annotating content" | 20:16 |
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| nuba | you enable an "annotation" of the type Keyword, then enable another "annotation" of the type Location | 20:16 |
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| ckotil | you can use the summary/synospsis for that. | 20:16 |
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| ckotil | or even add more meta data. | 20:16 |
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| @rizen | nuba, i'm not in favor of adding a location field to every asset | 20:17 |
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| ckotil | i added a new metadata field to all of my assets recently. with the goal of creating customized views for our documentation system. which sits inline with our website. | 20:17 |
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| @rizen | some assets could certainly use it | 20:17 |
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| nuba | me too, not to every asset. | 20:17 |
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| @rizen | like the ones you mentioned | 20:17 |
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| @rizen | but it shouldn't be a property of WebGUI::Asset | 20:17 |
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| nuba | whats the best way for that, then? | 20:17 |
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| @rizen | but keywords are a property of WebGUI::Asset | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | for any assets that could use a location, there should be a location property added to them | 20:18 |
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| @rizen | as far as i see that right now, WebGUI::Asset::Event is the only one for sure | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | others may be useful | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | like Article | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | and WikiPage | 20:19 |
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| nuba | ok the second part is how to make sense of that location property | 20:19 |
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| @rizen | but certainly not things like Navigation, or Image | 20:19 |
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| nuba | ie. exposing the location in geocoded RSS is great | 20:19 |
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| perlDreamer | How about Photo? | 20:20 |
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| nuba | yeah | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | photo could definitely use a location | 20:20 |
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| perlDreamer | Post? | 20:20 |
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| nuba | maybe | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | probably not post | 20:20 |
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| nuba | depends on whats the collab asset being used for | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | yeah, and the collab is already too big | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | so i don't want to add more shit to it | 20:20 |
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| @rizen | =) | 20:20 |
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| perlDreamer | Would there be a macro version so that you could use maps in the user profile? | 20:21 |
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| perlDreamer | or other operations? | 20:21 |
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| nuba | my motivation in writing this all is for a content gallery (mainly photos) to be plotted in a map | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | you shouldn't need a macro for the user profile | 20:21 |
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| nuba | thats what picasa is doing now | 20:21 |
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| nuba | flickr too | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | yeah, i can totally see that | 20:21 |
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| perlDreamer | but that would be in the Gallery, not the CS | 20:21 |
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| @rizen | the photos in the gallery, and eventually videos once the plugin is made | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | should have a location | 20:22 |
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| nuba | job postings? | 20:22 |
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| nuba | travel blogs? | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | if there was a job object sure, but not in the collab | 20:22 |
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| @rizen | the collab needs to be refactored into several systems that are derived from collab | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | so that this sort of specialty stuff can be added | 20:23 |
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| @rizen | without clutter | 20:23 |
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| nuba | would it be possible to exist a matrix where you could have 'keywords, location' as columns, assets as lines, and checkboxes ? | 20:23 |
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| nuba | so dynamically enable/disable types of "annotations"? | 20:24 |
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| @rizen | anything is possible, but how about you start with getting the mapping system done first | 20:24 |
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| nuba | heh | 20:24 |
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| nuba | im getting it done | 20:24 |
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| @rizen | i also want to build an online auction system too, but i think i better get the commerce system done first | 20:25 |
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| nuba | and what is your comment about that matrix i just said? | 20:25 |
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| nuba | if you could have pluggable types of "annotations" to be enabled/disabled, using class::insideout? | 20:26 |
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| @rizen | the comment i just gave you is all you'll get from me until i see a completed mapping system checked in with tests, documentation, i18n, and templates into svn | 20:26 |
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| nuba | so you wont even allow for a sounding board and discuss the idea? | 20:27 |
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| @rizen | sure, go ahead and discuss all you want | 20:27 |
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| nuba | boy i was so excited when i saw a pattern in keywords and my location idea | 20:27 |
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| nuba | and thought of bringing it up | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | i don't like commenting on a future that is more than 3 months out | 20:28 |
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| @rizen | too much is variables | 20:28 |
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| nuba | ok | 20:29 |
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| @rizen | s/s// | 20:30 |
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| cap10morgan | you know what would be cool? a generic JSON consumer asset that reflected the JSON into template variables | 20:36 |
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| cap10morgan | and then you could get JSON from web services, other external applications, etc. | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | that would be cool, but i have an even cooler idea, that i'll probably never get to | 20:37 |
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| cap10morgan | hahaha | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | i want to build a "Data Handler" asset | 20:37 |
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| @rizen | it would have a protocol handler | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | and a format handler | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | and then would be able to grab data from http, ftp, filesystem (protocol part) | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | oh...and sql | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | and then the format handler would be able to parse the resulting data set (xml, rss, json, DBI result set, etc) into a list of template varaiables | 20:39 |
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| cap10morgan | oh, yeah, that would be cool | 20:39 |
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| cap10morgan | what if you made it so that existing assets could be chained? | 20:40 |
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| @rizen | and since we're talking super pipe dream, optionally tie it into the graphing system | 20:40 |
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| cap10morgan | so the report-type assets could be protocol handlers | 20:40 |
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| @rizen | huh? | 20:40 |
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| cap10morgan | and the display-type assets could be format handlers | 20:40 |
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| cap10morgan | so you could say, here's a web service client asset, and it spits out json (or whatever) | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | he wants asset pipelines | 20:41 |
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| cap10morgan | and here's an article that consumes it and displays it | 20:41 |
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| cap10morgan | yeah | 20:41 |
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| cap10morgan | or a calendar, or whatever | 20:41 |
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| @rizen | and while you're at it, here's your cake, and you can eat it too | 20:41 |
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| cap10morgan | hahaha | 20:41 |
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| perlDreamer | Haarg: are you around? | 20:42 |
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| @Haarg | yeah | 20:42 |
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| perlDreamer | Is the Textarea also using yui-ext? | 20:42 |
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| @Haarg | no, it is using the correct path - extjs | 20:42 |
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| perlDreamer | Thanks. I'll be more careful with my ack'ing next time | 20:43 |
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| @Haarg | the calendar was including a bunch of js files it didn't need | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | and they were using the wrong path to boot? | 20:45 |
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| @rizen | nuba: not true | 20:45 |
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| @rizen | textarea is using yui-ext for the draggable sizing | 20:45 |
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| nuba | ? | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | I think he meant me | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | and _I_ really meant to say extjs, which the Textarea doesn't use. | 20:50 |
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| @rizen | yui-ext, extjs, Ext...all the same thing | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | don't care what you call it | 20:52 |
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| @rizen | but textarea is using it | 20:52 |
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| @Haarg | Textarea uses extjs for resizing. the calendar was trying to include that too, but had the wrong path (yui-ext). additionally, it didn't need it. | 21:04 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest87: back so soon? | 21:28 |
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| wgGuest87 | yea | 21:29 |
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| wgGuest87 | firefox wasnt loading the chat correctly :P | 21:29 |
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| spanishinquisitn | question for you guys | 21:30 |
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| spanishinquisitn | when I upload an image using the new image asset | 21:30 |
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| spanishinquisitn | its only showing a 481b file | 21:30 |
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| spanishinquisitn | and its not actually there... | 21:30 |
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| spanishinquisitn | any idea what is causing it? | 21:30 |
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| spanishinquisitn | because its only doing it SOME of the time | 21:31 |
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| nuba | is there anything in your webgui.log ? | 21:32 |
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| spanishinquisitn | it says permission denied - | 21:37 |
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| spanishinquisitn | so its a permissions issue | 21:37 |
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| spanishinquisitn | but why does it work some and not other times | 21:37 |
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| perlDreamer | the permissions are changing in the filesystem? | 21:38 |
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| spanishinquisitn | I'm not a linux guy so I don't know what would cause that.... especially since no one has touched the computer | 21:39 |
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| spanishinquisitn | but if its a webgui thing permissions should be fine | 21:39 |
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| ckotil | might need to perform a chown apache:apache -R /data/WebGUI/www/public/ | 21:41 |
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| ckotil | grr. asset doesnt exist, yet it thinks its locked. | 22:47 |
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| perlDreamer | asset doesn't exist in which table? | 22:47 |
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| ckotil | it tells me all that in the front end. | 22:47 |
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| ckotil | im poking around in the backend, and not having much luck either. | 22:47 |
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| perlDreamer | for problems like that, you have to use the db | 22:48 |
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| ckotil | the url is. 'iunoc' | 22:48 |
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| ckotil | so i run thi. 'select * from assetData where url = 'iunoc'; | 22:48 |
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| ckotil | returns empty set. | 22:48 |
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| perlDreamer | so how does it act like it is locked? | 22:48 |
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| ckotil | webgui tells me so in the frontend. | 22:49 |
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| ckotil | is asset table the only place lock's are set? | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | there are 2 asset tables | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | asset and assetData | 22:49 |
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| ckotil | right. | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | locks are in asset | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | urls are in assetData | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | the assetId is the common link between them | 22:50 |
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| ckotil | right. | 22:50 |
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| perlDreamer | so, I would say that you have something cached by assetId, which says that it is locked. but since the url doesn't exist you can't access it | 22:50 |
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| perlDreamer | try clearing the cache and see if that helps | 22:50 |
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| ckotil | ok, good idea. | 22:50 |
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| ckotil | 2.5MB's!!! | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | big cache | 22:51 |
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| ckotil | largest i ever saw the cache. | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | 2.5 mb or gb? | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | MB | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | cuz i've seen caches grow to almost a gig | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | Permission Denied! | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using. | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | yikes. thats huge. | 22:52 |
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| perlDreamer | any uncommitted versionTags? | 22:52 |
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| ckotil | yes, a few, but this particular asset isnt in any of them. | 22:53 |
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| ckotil | i should just commit these tags. | 22:53 |
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| ckotil | theyve been outstanding for a month. | 22:53 |
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| ckotil | bastard users. | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | hehe | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | BUFH | 22:53 |
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| ckotil | ;) | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | now that would be a story worth reading | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | BOFH vs BUFH | 22:54 |
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| perlDreamer | who will win? | 22:54 |
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| ckotil | phew. | 22:54 |
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| perlDreamer | better? | 22:54 |
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| ckotil | that worked. commiting 3 old version tags. | 22:54 |
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| ckotil | yes. | 22:55 |
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| ckotil | thanks for the help. | 22:55 |
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| nuba | BOFH vs BUFH <-- both lose, competition wins | 22:55 |
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| perlDreamer | kind of like Alien vs Predator? | 22:55 |
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| nuba | competition as in other places where BOFHs and BUFHs aren't busy in war | 22:55 |
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| nuba | yeah | 22:55 |
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| ckotil | O's can snubb out the U's | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | crap | 23:21 |
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| perlDreamer | I think I bricked my Sansa | 23:21 |
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| wgGuest01 | hello everyone | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | hello '01 | 23:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you have a question? | 23:39 |
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| metanil | could it be possible to put a link 'edit' in the side of the title ? | 23:39 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you mean instead of the toolbar? | 23:39 |
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| wgGuest01 | how is the AD authentication set up on WebGUI? not sure how to set up LDAP. | 23:39 |
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| metanil | ya not in 'admin mode on' | 23:39 |
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| perlDreamer | Editing requires being in Admin mode | 23:40 |
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| perlDreamer | so even if you show the link it wouldn't work | 23:40 |
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| metanil | but putting a link like ...?func=edit will switch to admin mode, isn't it? | 23:41 |
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| perlDreamer | No | 23:41 |
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| metanil | really? | 23:41 |
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| metanil | i'll try again | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | you don't need to be in Admin Mode to edit an asset, really | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | just need ?func=edit | 23:41 |
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| perlDreamer | really? | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | Admin Mode just exposes the interface to those pages | 23:41 |
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| @preaction | and adds the Admin accordian | 23:41 |
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| perlDreamer | huh! | 23:42 |
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| wgGuest01 | zzzZZZ :) | 23:42 |
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| @preaction | i find Admin Mode to be an annoyance for small changes | 23:42 |
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| metanil | i think i can edit without explicitly going into admin mode | 23:42 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest01, LDAP is something that doesn't even have a decent Wiki article. i've never had to set one up, and those who do usually get help from Plain Black Support | 23:42 |
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| ckotil | ive tried to setup LDAP a few times. | 23:42 |
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| ckotil | failed miserably each time. | 23:43 |
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| @rizen | the webgui admin guide shows you how to do it | 23:43 |
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| ckotil | we dont have a production LDAP server yet, so it isn that big of a deal for me... yet | 23:43 |
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| ckotil | the book I gotta buy? | 23:43 |
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| @rizen | yup | 23:43 |
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| ckotil | cool. | 23:43 |
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| ckotil | it'd be nice to have a production LDAP server. leopard server would tie into it nicely i bet. | 23:44 |
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| ckotil | which would then allow me to kerberize the damned thing. which would work nicely for ical server! | 23:44 |
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| ckotil | ical server is pretty depressing overall. | 23:44 |
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| wgGuest01 | if I have users on AD and I want them to use their username and password from AD or have WebGUI authentica automatically with the user's account, is LDAP what I need? | 23:44 |
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| ckotil | it works great with the ical client, but thats it. sunbird is a hassle to get it working. | 23:44 |
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| metanil | preaction: do u know how to put an edit link on the side of the title? | 23:45 |
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| @rizen | 01: yes, use LDAP with AD | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | metanil, just adding ?func=edit to the url should work | 23:46 |
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| wgGuest01 | are the users going to be able to open the intranet page and get automatically signed into webgui? | 23:46 |
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| metanil | preation, yes.. but i want it to be appear on side of the title. | 23:46 |
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| metanil | automation would be even great! | 23:47 |
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| @rizen | 01: no, webgui does single login (one username across all systems), but not single signon | 23:47 |
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| @preaction | metanil, you'd have to alter the template | 23:49 |
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| metanil | hmm.. | 23:50 |
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| metanil | i think i got it.. | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | remember to copy the template and make changes to your copy, then make your asset use the copy. changing default templates may cause problems when you update | 23:50 |
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| wgGuest01 | I need to be able to show pages, links, menus based on the user/group permissions. For example, I want to have a main page for every one, and only show certain info to accounting that maybe HR can't see. How can that work with single sign login? | 23:50 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest01, you don't need SSO for that. you just need Groups. anybody who's not in the "Group to View" an asset will not be able to see that asset | 23:51 |
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| ckotil | the same way it wold work with normal login. you would require a user to be in group XXX to view an asset. | 23:52 |
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| ckotil | then you can get really fancy with <tmpl_if's | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | and you can even tie your LDAP groups to your webgui groups | 23:52 |
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| @rizen | that's also explained in the WebGUI Admin Guide | 23:52 |
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| ckotil | ohh. i want that. | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | buy it! | 23:53 |
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| ckotil | im already at the store ;) | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | Good man | 23:53 |
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| wgGuest01 | right, but I'm trying to avoid having another password for the users to remember. | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: Do I still get a commission? :) | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | they won't have another passwrod | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | they'll use their windows AD username and password in webgui | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you're confused about the difference between single login and single signon | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | single signon means that you log in to windows | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | and you're automatically logged into webgui | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | single login means you log into windows | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | and you still have to log into webgui | 23:54 |
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| @rizen | but you use the same username and password to do both | 23:54 |
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| ckotil | sent the message to my secratary to order the book. she'll place the order in the mornig. | 23:56 |
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| ckotil | with that. im heading home. later all. | 23:57 |
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| perlDreamer | I wish _I_ had a secretary | 23:57 |
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| perlDreamer | she could write code so that I could write more tests | 23:57 |
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| metanil | what is the current article url?? is it <tmpl_var pageUrl> ?? | 00:00 |
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| perlDreamer | ^PageUrl; works | 00:04 |
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| wgGuest01 | sooo, if someone log in to windows they will log in to webgui and depending on the way I set up their user access they'll be able to access what I want them to access? | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest01: yes | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | metanil, the online help has all the template variables everywhere, along with friendly descriptions | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes, and as rizen said, you can setup LDAP so you only have to set up the access in one "realm" AD vs WebGUI | 00:06 |
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| wgGuest01 | great | 00:06 |
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| wgGuest01 | now I don't have to pay a leg and an arm ;) | 00:06 |
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| perlDreamer | No, you don't because you don't have to install SharePoint or anything else | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | but you can help support wG by buying the Admin guide/ Content Manager's guide and other stuff | 00:07 |
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| wgGuest01 | or get a custom NTLM module ;) | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | since that's how Plain Black stays afloat | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | right, or get a custom NT auth module, or resurrect the old SMB one | 00:08 |
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| wgGuest01 | how 7K for a custom module sound? | 00:08 |
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| wgGuest01 | it hurts | 00:08 |
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| wgGuest01 | I'll wait to migrate to AD in two months | 00:08 |
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| perlDreamer | I agree, but it's better than buying CAL packs from MS | 00:09 |
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| wgGuest01 | :) true | 00:09 |
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| wgGuest01 | My company will get the complete support from PlainBlack for the first year and we'll go from there. We might not need after the first year everything but the online support. | 00:10 |
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| perlDreamer | That's very wise. Get trained with all the basics, then step down to the level you need | 00:11 |
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| wgGuest01 | Right, I'm an Asst. System Admin, not a web developer. This will help me to get my skills sharpen, specially perl. | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | Maybe, but the real thing to think about is being able to put editing and content management tools out in the hands of your users, instead of having to do it all yourself. | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | You may not even need to learn perl, although I'd recommend it. | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest01 | I love FireBug, it will help me a lot to understand CSS, etc. | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest01 | I like the challenge :) | 00:13 |
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| wgGuest01 | Finally, do I have to add every single username in AD to WebGUI manually? | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | I've never really used LDAP/AD, but if there isn't a workflow activity that does it, there is a script to do it | 00:20 |
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| perlDreamer | called userImport | 00:20 |
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| wgGuest01 | great | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | How do I change my username (wgGuest01)? | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | use /nick <newname> | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | lol | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | cool | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | thanks | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | or you can use a proper IRC client to connect to: irc.freenode.net #webgui | 00:22 |
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| @preaction | then you don't have to use that Java POS | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | user /nick geeKinpuT | 00:23 |
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| geeKinpuT | duh | 00:23 |
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| perlDreamer | I think we're going to like him | 00:24 |
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| @rizen | um | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | methinks he may be the new ehab | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | and we haven't even gotten rid of our old ehab | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | so that means we have two ehabs | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | which may or may not be a good thing | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | I know you don't always appreciate ehab's feedback, but at least he gives _some_ feedback. | 00:27 |
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| @preaction | if they take what they know and propagate it. community advocates, etc... that's a good thing | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | yup | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | that's a good thing | 00:27 |
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| @preaction | had a guy last week who made a forum post and came to IRC, and was nice enough when he got the answer on IRC to reply to his own post with the answer | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | as long as they spread what they learn | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | see that's cool | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | We need to be sure to encourage all new users to be good community members | 00:28 |
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| @preaction | we lead by example | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah, so long as I don't keep giving people the wrong answers to their questions it will be fine :) | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | ehab turns everything into a rant about how plain black isn't doing something or other right | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | and for the most part, it's just cuz he's to cheap to buy the things we provide so he can do it right, or to take the time and initiative to learn it for himself | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | i like ehab, he's fun to talk to and often has good ideas | 00:30 |
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| @preaction | http://www.slash7.com/pages <- fun article on "Help Vampires", which reminds me that we should build some FAQ topics on the wiki | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | i just don't like that he's a "give me the world for $0.01 or less please" type of person | 00:31 |
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| perlDreamer | I took a class from Amy at OSCON two years ago. | 00:33 |
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| perlDreamer | She did well | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | THAT'S A GOOD ARTICLE | 00:34 |
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| perlDreamer | indeed | 00:34 |
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| SynQ | jahoo! | 00:34 |
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| SynQ | nerd time | 00:34 |
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| @preaction | unf | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | Howdy, SynQ! | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | Is your beautiful wife pregnant yet? | 00:35 |
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| SynQ | nope | 00:35 |
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| SynQ | sorry | 00:35 |
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| SynQ | direct questions, direct answers | 00:35 |
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| @rizen | if she was, it would be with my beautiful baby | 00:35 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, you were quiet excited about kids at the WUC. So I had to ask. | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | =) | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | :) | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | I'm quite exited about the hat sarah found for me | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | the one of the butcher | 00:36 |
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| BartJol | jeah, and he never stops talking about getting kids | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:36 |
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| SynQ | at least at my house bart gets to sleep in a bed >:) | 00:37 |
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| SynQ | but that's more cause our couch is smaller than JT's :) | 00:37 |
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| BartJol | indeed it is | 00:37 |
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| SynQ | JT! | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | my couch is very comfortable | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | I love WebGUI! | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | i fall asleep on it all the time | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | just had to say | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | sweet | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | sorry | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | now go write six articles about it and get them published in major press junkets | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | didn't mean to get mushy or something | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | uh | 00:38 |
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| SynQ | I could if you got someone to die over WebGUI | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | someone has to make a sacrifice | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | perhaps Doug? | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | we could habashi him? | 00:39 |
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| BartJol | ah, that would be me being sacrificed by Koen? | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | nope | 00:39 |
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| metanil | i can't find template variable in wiki.. any links? | 00:39 |
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| SynQ | bart, you are too precious | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | template variables are documented in the online help that comes with webgui | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | doug whould suit being a sacrifice much better | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | i need him | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | sacrifice vrby | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | he'd tell silly jokes while the blood is pooring from him | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | vrby? | 00:40 |
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| BartJol | but he very kindly helped me this week at 3 am | 00:40 |
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| SynQ | sorry, vrbsky is too funny | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | well i need vrby too, so sacrifice martin | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | or vayde | 00:41 |
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| SynQ | we could take one of the sons of rian? | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | vayde says he wants to help the community | 00:41 |
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| BartJol | shouldn't it be a beautifull virgin? | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | so maybe he'd be willing to make a sacrifice | 00:41 |
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| SynQ | oh yeah it should | 00:41 |
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| SynQ | didn't frank have a doughter? | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | vayde might be a virgin | 00:41 |
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| BartJol | hows the gooey underwear doing? | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | but beautiful.......nah | 00:41 |
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| vayde | close enough, with the action I get these days | 00:42 |
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| vayde | which altar may I leave my heart on? | 00:42 |
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| SynQ | that's the spirit! | 00:42 |
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| @preaction | the alter of mediocre sorrow | 00:42 |
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| vayde | oh, is that all? been there for a while now | 00:42 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | and there comes the man of my first choice | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | or, as I'd like to call him 'habashi man' | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | or was it 'hibashi man' | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | hibachi i think | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:43 |
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| SynQ | so 'hibachi man' it is :) | 00:44 |
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| SynQ | I'm looking forward to the WUC allready | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | is it worse when code doesn't work but you don't know why, or when it Does work and you don't know why? (and you're the one who wrote it) | 00:45 |
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| @preaction | surprisingly, so am i. I've been thinking up topics i want to speak about already ;) | 00:45 |
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| SynQ | sure | 00:46 |
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| SynQ | talk about primary needs, like coffee, sleep, or sex | 00:46 |
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| SynQ | or hibachi | 00:46 |
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| vayde | I'll have to come in with horror stories about how not to write code | 00:46 |
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| @preaction | definately hibachi | 00:46 |
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| BartJol | you need Doug? | 00:46 |
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| BartJol | mmm, maybe I should move a couple of feet | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | I'm sure by now bartjol is really curious about what hibashi is | 00:47 |
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| BartJol | sound like raw fish | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | not raw | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | fried stuff | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | fried everything | 00:47 |
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| SynQ | your flatmate Janne can learn from that | 00:48 |
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| BartJol | :) | 00:48 |
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| BartJol | well, but he combines mayonaise with more stuff | 00:48 |
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| @preaction | a big hotplate / grill thing in the table, cook comes and fries up steak, vegetables, seafood, rice, everything right there | 00:48 |
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| SynQ | and graham can eat from it too | 00:49 |
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| BartJol | sounds nice | 00:49 |
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| SynQ | he's actually quite good at it | 00:49 |
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| SynQ | has graham gained any weight since the wuc? | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Not according to his picture | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | oh, btw, Frank has a son | 00:50 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:50 |
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| SynQ | who has a doughter then? | 00:50 |
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| SynQ | sorry daughter i mean | 00:52 |
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| SynQ | damn language | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | ryan and kristi just had a little baby girl | 00:53 |
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| SynQ | ah | 00:53 |
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| SynQ | but the boys deserve a sister | 00:53 |
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| BartJol | Koen, you're falling behind | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | kristi was the preggo one at the wuc | 00:53 |
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| SynQ | I know | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | ok | 00:53 |
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| SynQ | and a fine looking one too :) | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | are you talking about me or her =) | 00:54 |
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| BartJol | Koen get me something to drink | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | gotta go | 00:54 |
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| BartJol | you too JT | 00:54 |
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| SynQ | hehe | 00:54 |
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| BartJol | you handsome fellow | 00:54 |
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| SynQ | JT, you've got a nice belly too :) | 00:55 |
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| SynQ | JT, is sarah around? | 00:59 |
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| SynQ | afk | 01:00 |
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| SynQ | is it lunch time or something? | 01:00 |
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| BartJol | well some people have to work around midnight | 01:02 |
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| metanil | where is the source file for template variable controls?? or where this variable is handled? | 01:04 |
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| metanil | template variable 'controls' is for the toolbar. | 01:10 |
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| SynQ | I've got a WRE for debian etch | 01:11 |
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| @preaction | metanil, controls is usually handled by either Asset::processTemplate, or somewhere in the asset itself with getToolbar(). | 01:12 |
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| metanil | one quick question. pageUrl will point to current page whether the article is within inside some other page layout .. if i want to get current article url directly, is there any template variable..? I looked through online help but there is no such thing.. | 01:15 |
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| @preaction | you don't want to use the PageUrl macro. you want to edit the asset's view template to use its own url (<tmpl_var url>) to add the edit link | 01:21 |
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| SynQ | almost time for bed | 01:22 |
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| perlDreamer | perlbot vamp is http://www.slash7.com/articles/2006/12/22/vampires | 01:25 |
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| perlbot | added vamp to the database | 01:25 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5271 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add the Widget macro. This enables assets to be widgetized (easily embedded in | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: another page). Usage as such: ^Widget(assetId, width, height, templateId); | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: assetId is the ID of the asset to widgetize, width and height are the size of | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: the iframe, templateId is the template ID of the template to use for the widget | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: itself. This will pop up an icon that shows you some markup to put on another | 01:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: page to embed the asset in widget form. If no template given, will use the | 01:33 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: how is a widgetized asset different from an assetProxied asset? | 01:36 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Widgets let you have WebGUI content on a non-WebGUI, possibly static, site. | 01:36 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, widgetbox.com has a large library of examples of the kind of thing that the Widget macro in WebGUI seeks to achieve. | 01:37 |
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| perlDreamer | thanks, I'll check it out! | 01:38 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, So say you have a static server, right, and a dynamic server. The dynamic server has a poll on it... you widgetize the poll, stick the markup on the static server, and voila, dynamic on static. :) | 01:38 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5272 /WebGUI/t/PassiveProfiling.t: | 01:48 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Rework the PassiveProfiling test to use newly created macros. | 01:48 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add coverage for addPage in the tests. | 01:48 |
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| perlDreamer | another module bites the dust | 01:49 |
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| @preaction | woot! | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | coverage++ | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer++ | 01:50 |
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| @preaction | unless you mean some other form of "bite the dust" | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Nope | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Although... | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | I did think of a way to make it run faster | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | addPage calls add in a loop | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | it should send the list of assetIds to add, and add should do a prepare, loop -> execute on data | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | it should be faster that way | 01:51 |
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| metanil | the page in the admin mode is not the same in normal mode. is it due to cache? (i just change the template) | 01:52 |
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| perlDreamer | metanil: that should be cache related | 01:52 |
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| metanil | i clear the local cache.. but that doesn't sovle the problem. | 01:53 |
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| metanil | and i've also restart both modproxy and modperl. | 01:53 |
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| metanil | on the server | 01:53 |
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| @preaction | Version Tag | 01:54 |
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| @preaction | did you read the article on How to Give WebGUI Your Own Style? it has a lot of useful information for working with webgui | 01:54 |
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| perlDreamer | That's in the wiki, right? | 01:55 |
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| @preaction | yeah | 01:56 |
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| metanil | thats great article.. i solve by clearing cache | 01:58 |
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| perlDreamer | clearing cache on the server? | 01:58 |
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| metanil | yes | 02:08 |
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| metanil | i mean in webgui itselt | 02:08 |
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| perlDreamer | The visitor cache can be quite long, which is why it's bypassed in admin mode. | 02:09 |
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| metanil | anybody know what profileField("uiLevel") will do? could this be accessed through template level using template variable? | 02:09 |
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| perlDreamer | metanil: You need to spend some time with the wiki | 02:09 |
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| perlDreamer | that's all described in there | 02:09 |
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| metanil | oops | 02:09 |
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| perlDreamer | 'salright | 02:09 |
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| perlDreamer | btw, I've only been wrong twice today | 02:15 |
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| perlDreamer | If I'm wrong again, I'll eat my words and write the wiki page | 02:16 |
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| metanil | groupidadminuser is groupid for admin .. but what is groupidadminuseradd?? | 04:09 |
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| metanil | users to allow to add other users? | 04:10 |
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| @preaction | hold your mouse over the name of the permission on the settings page, it describes what it does | 04:10 |
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| spnishinqusition | anyone here have webgui installed on mac osX ? | 15:36 |
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| dapperedodo | yes | 15:40 |
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| dapperedodo | on an intel mac with leopard | 15:41 |
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| spnishinqusition | have you previously installed on linux as well? | 15:41 |
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| dapperedodo | yes on debian | 15:45 |
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| spnishinqusition | which did you find easyier to install and setup on? | 15:56 |
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| spnishinqusition | easier* | 15:57 |
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| dapperedodo | on the mac, that was precompiled | 15:57 |
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| dapperedodo | On debian I had to do it from source | 15:58 |
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| dapperedodo | But the Debian now also has a precompiled version | 15:58 |
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| spnishinqusition | well i have it installed on a mac - but it tends to give me problems from time to time | 15:59 |
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| dapperedodo | I did not have problems so far on both installs | 16:00 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings! | 16:15 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Salutations. | 16:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | greasings | 16:16 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hah | 16:16 |
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| SDuensin | :-) | 16:21 |
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| wgGuest33 | hello | 17:18 |
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| wgGuest33 | I like to upload a picture by the collaborative system and you do not get off the resolution? | 17:19 |
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| wgGuest33 | hello | 17:21 |
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| wgGuest33 | someone knows? | 17:22 |
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| ckotil | can you clarify the last part of your question? | 17:37 |
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| wgGuest33 | when i up an image for the collaboration system this is bad | 17:40 |
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| wgGuest33 | down the resolution | 17:40 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do you mean that your image is automatically scaled to a lower resolution? | 17:41 |
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| wgGuest33 | yes | 17:41 |
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| +MrHairgrease | chage the max image size in the setting panel of the admin console | 17:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that should do it | 17:42 |
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| wgGuest33 | ok, wait a minute | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I've been reading about FOSS businesses, and it seems that the norm is 2% paying customers out of total users. Does that sound reasonable for WebGUI? | 17:45 |
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| @rizen | no | 17:46 |
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| @rizen | we're at about 20% | 17:47 |
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| @rizen | and that number is growing year after year | 17:47 |
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| @rizen | very slowly | 17:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | that is frik'n nuts......that is HUGE! | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that a 1000% improvement =) | 17:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | so you guys are like FOSS rock stars when it comes to making money off of FOSS? | 17:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | too cool | 17:49 |
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| wgGuest33 | this max size image that is? | 17:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you upload an image to your site which has a width, height (or both) that is larger than the number you enter in the max image size box | 17:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | webgui will scale the image down to that number | 17:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the number is in pixels | 17:57 |
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| wgGuest33 | Then I suggest that value to put | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you don't want wg to scale your images | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just set that value to 100000 or some other insanely high value | 18:00 |
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| wgGuest33 | mmm the size image is 139 pixels | 18:02 |
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| wgGuest33 | then why happend? | 18:02 |
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| wgGuest33 | when i upload the image for the ftp, this not happen | 18:02 |
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| wgGuest33 | but when i do for the collaboration system, yes | 18:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i do not understand what you mean | 18:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the collaboration system also has its own max image size | 18:04 |
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| wgGuest33 | nop | 18:04 |
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| wgGuest33 | no | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | to change that edit your cs and go to the display tab | 18:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you set the value to 0 it'll used the sitewide default | 18:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's not it? | 18:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you are aware that a thumbnail is generated right? | 18:05 |
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| wgGuest33 | yes | 18:05 |
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| wgGuest33 | in the box thumbnail i have 139 | 18:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so what is the problem? | 18:06 |
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| wgGuest33 | When upload an image is generated by FTP and the html image does not drop the resolution, but when the upload system for collaboration that its low resolution | 18:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | first there is no ftp inside webgui | 18:10 |
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| wgGuest33 | i know | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | secondly what is your max image size setting | 18:11 |
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| wgGuest33 | 100000 | 18:11 |
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| wgGuest33 | and the image that upload is 139 pixels | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah, but that's the thumbnail right? | 18:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or is it also 139 px if you click on the thumbnail? | 18:12 |
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| wgGuest33 | also | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | then i dunno... | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what version are you running? | 18:12 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and what's the url of the image that has been scaled down? | 18:13 |
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| GeeKinpuT | Can someone explain how the databases for WebGUI work? Are they saved on the data\wre folder? Can they be viewed using MySQL Administrator. | 18:13 |
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| wgGuest33 | version 7.4.15 | 18:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | geekinput: they are saved somewhere in the /data/wre/.../var folder | 18:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and you cpuld prolly connect to them using your mysql admin tool thingy | 18:15 |
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| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 18:15 |
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| wgGuest33 | http://www.supernotariado.gov.co/home/elementos-interface/sistema-colaborativo-banners-izquierdo/portal-de-contratacin#cvuLoidMmhM3UTqKn8AhPw | 18:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well, maybe you've hit a bug. | 18:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | can you reproduce the behaviour on demo.webgui.org? | 18:19 |
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| GeeKinpuT | do they have a size limit? Can they be optimized? The reason I ask is because I want to put a lot of documents, forms, eventually video training, etc. I wasn't sure what get saved on the databases and what goes to a directory. I wan't to make sure I have enough room on the server. | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if so, please submit a bug report on webgui.org/bugs | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | collateral data is saved to the filesystem | 18:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | stuff like files and images that is | 18:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: are the wuc talks digitized yet? | 18:21 |
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| @rizen | no | 18:22 |
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| @rizen | we won't digitize until we have a video plugin for the gallery | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | because we don't want to digitize twice | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | so if you want to volunteer to write that | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | then we'll digitize | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | =) | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i could do that | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you volunteer to do my graduation for me | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | unfortunately i overestimated the free time that our devs (including me) were going to have | 18:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | same here | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | so i thought we'd be able to get it done early in the year | 18:23 |
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| @rizen | but it's looking more like summer or after before we can get the video plugin done | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | unless some client comes along to pay for it | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | or someone volunteers | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what's that suposed to look like? | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | flv format? | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | i'm really sorry about that, cuz i'd love to have webgui tube up | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | it will probably be flv | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | but it might also be mpeg | 18:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | for swf | 18:24 |
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| @rizen | it just depends upon which player we decide to go with | 18:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it seems like a cool project | 18:25 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Since JS apparently can't use a '~' in a function name, what would be a good standard for calling destructors? | 18:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | when i have time again and still think it's cool i'll let you know =) | 18:25 |
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| @rizen | ok | 18:26 |
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| @rizen | i also think it is cool | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the thing is | 18:26 |
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| @rizen | and if i didn't have to prepare speeches for all the trade shws andother talks | 18:26 |
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| perlmonkey2 | this.delete? this.fubar, this.eraseme, this.free, this.mylastday, this.!malloc? | 18:26 |
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| @rizen | as well as write the commerce system | 18:26 |
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| @rizen | i'd do it | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i need something like that for the koornbeurs | 18:26 |
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| @rizen | this.DESTROY | 18:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that's on the todo stack for a long time already | 18:27 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: hah, why didn't I think of that | 18:27 |
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| GeeKinpuT | is this for suse wre-0.8.1-sles-10_sp1-ia32.tar.gz? | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | guess so | 18:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: one last question | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | would the gallery be usable under 7.4.x/ | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or at least easily backportable? | 18:29 |
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| @rizen | yes | 18:29 |
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| @rizen | well it should be | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:29 |
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| @rizen | cuz it just uses normal webgui subsystems | 18:29 |
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| @rizen | nothing new was developed for it | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no fancy new stuff | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:29 |
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| GeeKinpuT | I was wondering if it works with OpenSuSe. Can anyone suggest linux distro to run WebGUI? | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i use ubuntu or debian | 18:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | both work fine | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you can also compile it | 18:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | on my laptop it only takes abot 40 minutes | 18:30 |
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| @rizen | plain black deploys on RHEL and CentOS | 18:31 |
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| @rizen | so if you want something that's guaranteed to work, those are good choices | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i think the best distro to use webgui on is the one you feel most comfortable with | 18:31 |
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| @rizen | that's a good point | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if there's no binary for it yet | 18:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just compile it | 18:31 |
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| @rizen | i don't recommend deploying on windows for a production environment though | 18:32 |
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| GeeKinpuT | RHEL, but I have to purchase support for it, right? | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and upload it to sourceforge so other can benefit from you rcompile session | 18:32 |
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| @rizen | WRE on windows is very good, but still not as good as the *nix versions | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | since when is windows a linux distro =) | 18:32 |
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| @rizen | RHEL is for a fee, but centos is the free version of the same thing | 18:33 |
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| GeeKinpuT | So I would use wre-0.8.1-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz to install on CenOS 5? | 18:36 |
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| perlmonkey2 | GeeKinpuT: pretty much. I used the rhel to install on Fedora, without issue. | 18:37 |
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| GeeKinpuT | great | 18:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | and centos will be closer to RHEL than fedora. | 18:38 |
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| GeeKinpuT | Thanks | 18:38 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5273 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/PassiveProfiling.pm: refactor PassiveProfiling into using placeholders for speedup | 18:48 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5274 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix pad POD spacing in www_widgetView | 18:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm going home | 18:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | see you guys later | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | later, MrHairGrease | 18:50 |
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| elnino | hi. quick question. I want to create a form to search a external database on our site. Do I use the "Data Form" or the "SQL Form"? I have a macor that will take the form parameters and display the data for me already. Or do I just write the html in a snippet? | 20:02 |
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| perlDreamer | You wouldn't use the DataForm. | 20:03 |
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| perlDreamer | If it's an existing database, it might easiest to use the SQL Report | 20:03 |
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| perlDreamer | the SQL Form will import other, existing, table (I think), but it adds a whole bunch of stuff to it. | 20:04 |
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| perlDreamer | I'd use the SQL Report | 20:04 |
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| perlDreamer | In fact, it can already handle getting form parameters, so you shouldn't need a macro at all | 20:04 |
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| perlDreamer | Just the form code, and a submit button. | 20:05 |
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| perlDreamer | did all that make sense? | 20:06 |
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| elnino | yep. So it sounds like the form code should be in a snippet. I didn't use sqlreport, because the code to display the data was too complex for it. I was hopingn for a user friendly asset to create the search form so that marketing can change it if they want. | 20:07 |
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| perlDreamer | Well, as long as you don't mind SQL Report altering the remote table, you can use it | 20:07 |
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| elnino | Opps you lost me on the last comment. (Thank you for your quick responses!) | 20:08 |
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| perlDreamer | The SQL Report will add version control and several other columns to any table it works with. | 20:09 |
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| elnino | you mean sql form... I was under the impress that SQL report is a "display data only" | 20:09 |
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| elnino | ... right? or am i messed up? | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't know about the messed up part :) | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | Just incorrect as to the SQL Report | 20:10 |
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| perlDreamer | SQL Report will do dynamic data display using forms that you build yourself | 20:11 |
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| elnino | right | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | SQL Form will do dynamic input and display using forms that it helps build | 20:11 |
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| perlDreamer | and you're right, I mistyped earlier | 20:11 |
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| elnino | OK Thanks. I'm followign you now. I appreciate your input! | 20:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm curious. What do you have to display that the SQL Report won't handle? | 20:14 |
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| elnino | oh. I had to take a zip code, and calculate proximity and produce data from that criteria, and the display portion had to reformat incorrectly formated urls and check for existance of images and stuff. It was long ago and painful. | 20:16 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, that's definitely macro work | 20:18 |
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| elnino | thanks again, perlDreamer, it's llunch time. bye. | 20:19 |
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| perlDreamer | crap | 20:36 |
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| perlDreamer | One step closer to Test::Class | 20:36 |
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| @preaction | is it really that bad? ;) | 20:39 |
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| perlDreamer | No, I just don't want to spend all that time refactoring tests | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | but I'm sick and very tired of setup code buggering up my test scripts | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | and needing the same asset, user and group setup code in multiple places | 20:40 |
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| @preaction | amen to that | 20:41 |
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| perlDreamer | Maybe it's time now | 20:41 |
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| @preaction | want that branch then? | 20:41 |
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| perlDreamer | yes please | 20:41 |
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| @preaction | k, 5-10 minutes, gotta find out how bad i keep screwing myself by forgetting i have 10-hour processes running in an ssh session without nohup | 20:42 |
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| @preaction | then closing my computer down :p | 20:42 |
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| perlDreamer | you should use screen | 20:42 |
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| perlDreamer | it will fix all that kind of stuff | 20:43 |
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| @preaction | i should. i should make it a required install on all plainblack servers | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | yes! | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | Actually, I can't think of any PB server I've been on without it | 20:43 |
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| perlDreamer | it's standard with RHEL | 20:43 |
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| @preaction | plus i usually put "screen -RR && exit" in my .login so i'm always in screen when i login ;) | 20:43 |
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| @preaction | that's what i do at home at least, doubt people around here would want to be forced to deal with screen | 20:44 |
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| perlDreamer | hm | 20:48 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe it's not so bad after all | 20:48 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I'd like to add another module to the core, Test::Class. How many organs will that cost? | 20:49 |
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| @preaction | they're all gone right now, out to lunch. i'm alone in JT's house. imho the obvious benefits outweigh any possible costs: even easier test writing is good for everyone. just the fact of implementing Test::Class will improve our coverage (due to inheritence). it's the Right Thing To Do | 20:50 |
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| @preaction | wait. JT's IRC client pings him when JT is said? | 20:51 |
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| @preaction | rofl, it DOES | 20:51 |
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| @preaction | note to self: saying JT will make his computer make noise, just as rizen will ;) | 20:51 |
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| perlDreamer | Did they go to Teddy Wedgers? | 20:52 |
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| @preaction | couldn't tell ya. i slept in (slept 2 hours instead of 1 hour) so i got here late, caused a ruckus, and ate on the car ride here | 20:53 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm not sure if I agree with the coverage argument. Devel::Cover covers lines of code, so testing a parent and child class that inherits tests the same code (parent) twice. | 20:53 |
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| perlDreamer | but it makes sure that the inheritance is set up correctly | 20:53 |
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| perlDreamer | which our current tests don't do | 20:54 |
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| perlDreamer | but I agree about it being the right thing to do | 20:54 |
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| perlDreamer | Maybe he'd open a franchise store in Hillsboro | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | all we have here is Scottish pasties, and they're a plate lunch | 20:55 |
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| @preaction | is it like a pot pie? | 20:56 |
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| @preaction | those crazy english meat pies? | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, only with no gravy inside | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | You haven't had one yet? | 20:56 |
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| @preaction | nope | 20:56 |
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| perlDreamer | Here, I'll give you directions | 20:57 |
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| @preaction | sounds like something my gf's grandmother made though, she put hamburger and sauerkraut in it | 20:57 |
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| perlDreamer | Go out the front door, turn right | 20:57 |
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| perlDreamer | to the first intersection, turn left and go down the street past the Church | 20:57 |
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| perlDreamer | When you get to the capitol, walk clockwise around the block | 20:58 |
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| perlDreamer | It should be on the other side from where you enter, on the outside of the circle | 20:58 |
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| perlDreamer | Buy two, and ship me the other | 20:58 |
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| perlDreamer | No sauerkraut, they're more like calzones with meat and vegetable/cheese fillings | 20:59 |
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| @preaction | that sounds like something i could get the gf to eat. must find a recipe and make some | 21:00 |
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| @preaction | (she's a rather picky eater, which frustrates me to no end since I love experimenting in the kitchen) | 21:01 |
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| * perlDreamer heads off to the gym, and dreams of TeddyWedgers | 21:01 |
| @preaction | keep dreamin, pal | 21:01 |
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| @preaction | have fun | 21:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Can anyone here tell me if 512kbps is good enough upload speed to run a home server with perhaps a little bit of media (I'm thinking of switching my home service to a small business plan that allows servers in the TOS). | 21:08 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If I use my home server too often I trigger a port block on 81 and 443, and I've been using my home machine as a test box and keep triggering their "don't use residential as commercial" script | 21:09 |
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| @preaction | depends on what you plan on doing. i have 376kbps upstream, i just dont do much on the internet. lucky for me, my ISP doesn't give a rat's what i do. I even got them to stop firewalling me | 21:09 |
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| @preaction | just need to get them to allow me to control the reverse DNS for my IP and i'm allllll set | 21:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: "don't do much on the internet". what does that mean? You don't serve a lot of content, or don't download a lot of content? | 21:10 |
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| @preaction | otherwise, 512 sounds fine, just don't pay through the nose if you can shop around for a better deal on a less restrictive connection | 21:11 |
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| @preaction | i don't serve much high-bandwidth content to the internet | 21:11 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Looks like for $80/month I can get 5 static ips, dns serving, TOS says I can run servers, and no blocked ports. | 21:11 |
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| perlmonkey2 | at 512 up and 7Mbps down. | 21:11 |
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| @preaction | where? from who? where do you live again? | 21:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I pay $60 now for 16Mbps down and 1Mbps up, but 25, 80, 8080 are blocked and if they see to much outside traffic on any other port, they block it. | 21:12 |
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| @preaction | i pay $50 (DSL + phone) for 1.5m/376k | 21:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: Oklahoma city. | 21:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: But is that a static line with servers explicity allowed? | 21:12 |
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| @preaction | no, they aren't explicitly allowed since my ISP doesn't care. static IP and if you ask for "bridged mode" you control everything the connection does | 21:13 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: you must live in a non-metro area with a smaller name hoster.... | 21:13 |
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| @preaction | basically | 21:14 |
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| @preaction | SLTC (Small Local Telephone Company) | 21:14 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I have a friend who lives in the sticks and has *much* better TOS on his connection than I could pay for. | 21:14 |
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| @preaction | right, but i couldn't get the speed of the connection you described unless i paid $300 a month for Time Warner cable | 21:15 |
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| @preaction | they have a "business plan" which sounds worse than anything i've ever heard | 21:15 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I only use the 16Mbps down twice a year.....when a fedora release comes out. | 21:16 |
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| perlmonkey2 | otherwise I don't view much video and only download a few songs from amazon every blue moon. | 21:16 |
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| @preaction | oh, then the $80 sounds like a good idea | 21:16 |
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| perlmonkey2 | so 7mbps would be fine for m.e | 21:16 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but, back of envelope, to serve a 5MB image at 512kbps would take like 80 seconds. | 21:17 |
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| perlmonkey2 | 64KB/s :( | 21:17 |
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| @preaction | it's the nature of the beast, internet wasn't built full-duplex, it was built producer-to-consumer. | 21:18 |
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| @preaction | nobody realized that it would evolve into this: everyone's a producer | 21:18 |
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| ckotil | yah, its too bad. | 21:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | they didn't want it to evolve that way. The late 90's showed all the big ISP's trying to produce all the content so the sheeple would have to consume directly form them. | 21:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | luckily they sucked | 21:19 |
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| ckotil | aol and prodigy are the only two i can think of right now. wasn there another big one, compu-something? | 21:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | compuserv? | 21:21 |
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| @preaction | compuserve, yeah. | 21:22 |
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| @preaction | in the end, iirc, compuserve and prodigy tried to merge to take on AOL, but then (at least in my area) the small ISPs that offered ISDN and DSL took over. and when cable came it was all over for AOL | 21:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Yeah, cable just can't be competed with. | 21:24 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Around here every time ATT drops their DSL prices, Cox matches their price with twice the bandwidth. | 21:25 |
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| @preaction | there are certain operations that, when run from a browser, take a long time and time-out (and then stop running) | 21:31 |
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| @preaction | do you think some sort of hook in spectre would work to change that? delay the execution but run it through spectre (which won't time-out, hopefully) | 21:32 |
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| @preaction | i mean, huge version tags with lots of storage locations will take 10 minutes + to delete | 21:33 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: jt * r5275 /branch/colin-experimental: Created colin's branch. Only colin is allowed to commit to this branch. May he use this branch to bring swift death to his foes. | 21:33 |
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| perlDreamer | kaplah! | 22:31 |
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| perlDreamer | thanks, rizen | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | Even if you did go to TeddyWedger's without me :( | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | nope | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | mekongs | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | or did you mean some other day? | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | No, I meant today | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | What is a mekongs? | 22:32 |
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| @rizen | cuz then i've been to casbah and a bunch of other places without you as well | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | mekongs is this vietnameese place by my house that rules | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | but you've been here, you know that there are basically 100+ amazing restaurants within walking distance of my house | 22:34 |
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| perlDreamer | Yes | 22:34 |
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| @preaction | main reason i want to move here :p | 22:34 |
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| @khenn | apeiron wants to move here as well | 22:34 |
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| perlDreamer | I thought khenn lived in a different here than rizen, et. al. | 22:35 |
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| @khenn | only the cool people live in the Madison area | 22:35 |
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| @khenn | I live only 30 minutes from Madison | 22:35 |
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| @khenn | just about a suburb =p | 22:35 |
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| @preaction | laugh. calling Janesville a suburb :p | 22:36 |
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| BartJol | delft is also nice | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | delft is pretty nice | 22:45 |
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| @rizen | but if i moved to holland i'd probably go to amsterdam | 22:45 |
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| BartJol | what?! | 22:45 |
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| @rizen | been to both, but liked the hustle and bustle of amsterdam more | 22:45 |
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| @rizen | delft was a little too laid back for me | 22:45 |
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| BartJol | yeah, ok | 22:46 |
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| BartJol | but now I'm doubting whether I allow you to sleep on my couch | 22:46 |
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| BartJol | dissing Delft, shame yourself | 22:46 |
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| BartJol | :) | 22:46 |
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| BartJol | but you're right, it's a bit of a suburb | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | you'd let me have your couch | 22:47 |
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| BartJol | and there is no red light district in Delft | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | if nothing else i can call in the iou you left when you used my couch =) | 22:47 |
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| BartJol | well, if a plan to buy another anyway | 22:48 |
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| BartJol | but mine is a bit smaller | 22:48 |
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| BartJol | but finally i managed to install wre and webgui today, victory! | 22:49 |
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| BartJol | i should feel ashamed, for not being enough nerd | 22:49 |
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| perlDreamer | no, you should be proud of yourself that you're learning | 22:50 |
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| BartJol | yeah, now the next step, programming a macro or something like that | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | you could write a test, too | 22:51 |
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| perlDreamer | much easier than writing a macro | 22:51 |
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| BartJol | ah | 22:52 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to a meeting. grrr | 22:52 |
| BartJol | what kind of test? | 22:52 |
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| BartJol | oh, bye colin | 22:53 |
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| perlDreamer | on second thought, write a macro, then I'll teach you how to test it | 22:57 |
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| perlDreamer | that would be even better | 22:57 |
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| BartJol | ooh, sounds nice | 22:58 |
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| BartJol | there was some topic on a kind of addKarma function, so I was thinking of writing something for that | 22:59 |
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| @apeiron | Macros are easy. If you can do HTML, you can do macros. :) | 23:01 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5276 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm: | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: WRE::Spectre::getPriorities was processing the report data incorrectly, causing | 23:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: false positives. Fix this. Lesson of the day: Don't Be Clever. (PBP pg. 453) | 23:03 |
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| BartJol | well a bit of html is not out of my limits | 23:03 |
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| BartJol | I was talking about http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/website-referral-program#rcI4lRnABODsdixksvxf0g | 23:05 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, you're giving yourself more work? | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | are you crazy? | 23:48 |
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| BartJol | hi Mr | 23:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bart! | 23:50 |
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| BartJol | yeah that's me | 23:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know | 23:51 |
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| BartJol | working tomorrow? | 23:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 23:52 |
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| BartJol | gezellig | 23:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | beer tomorrow? | 23:52 |
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| BartJol | yes | 23:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | gezellig | 23:53 |
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| BartJol | to celebrate my first wegbgui install | 23:53 |
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| * MrHairgrease starts practicing for tomorrow already | 23:53 |
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| nuba | the only difference between http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide and porting-wobjects-to-webgui-version-7 is that titles are numbered in the former | 00:50 |
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| BartJol | mm I saw something strange, might be a caching problem, but I refreshed a couple of times and cleared the cache | 00:52 |
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| BartJol | in 7.4.20-> admin console-> users->profile | 00:52 |
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| BartJol | the option button browse for a photo is in dutch | 00:53 |
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| BartJol | and everything else is in english | 00:55 |
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| BartJol | the text is "Bladeren" | 00:55 |
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| BartJol | but in i18n, cat * |grep Bladeren doesn't show anything | 00:55 |
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| nuba | looks like the dutch are invading webgui surreptitiously | 00:56 |
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| BartJol | I did install the dutch package | 00:56 |
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| BartJol | yeah, Koen want to take over PB since JT got more results while googling themselves | 00:57 |
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| nuba | did you find any beer when you opened the package? | 00:57 |
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| BartJol | well, there is some next to my laptop and some in my stomach | 00:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | bart try `grep -R laderen *` from the lib dir | 00:58 |
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| BartJol | it's thinking | 00:59 |
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| BartJol | well, looks ok, probably the caching anyway | 01:07 |
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| BartJol | will look again tomorrow | 01:08 |
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| BartJol | well, going to sleep | 01:09 |
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| BartJol | bye | 01:09 |
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| metanil | currently i cannot send and receive mail within WebGUI. any links that discuss about this? | 01:38 |
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| metanil | i think i need to create smtp server on my machine. | 01:39 |
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| metanil | i've got main::[[undef]] - Couldn't connect to mail server: localhost error in webgui.log | 01:53 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: BartJol is part of the Dutch team. He's like family. I'll teach him testing. | 02:13 |
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| perlDreamer | or were you talking about someting else? | 02:13 |
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| metanil | why "photo gallery" and "request tracker" assets redirected to Collaboration System? | 02:35 |
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| metanil | wiki says its content prototyping | 02:37 |
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| perlDreamer | metanil, those are content prototypes, specially preconfigured Collaboaration Systems that are setup as a Photo Gallery and Request Tracker | 02:46 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the collaboration system is incredibly flexible - so it's used for several things - just using different templates. | 02:46 |
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| metanil | hmm.. i am exploring it.. | 02:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, as PD said, they're prototypes | 02:47 |
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| +Radix-wrk | you can create your own prototypes too - I have one in my system called Flash Gallery that I've set up using my own custom template | 02:47 |
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| metanil | have link? | 02:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | link? | 02:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I haven't shared it as it's kinda specific to how we do things | 02:48 |
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| metanil | oh.. thats ok | 02:49 |
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| +Radix-wrk | our webserver has a small internet link, so we tend to use a us host to store all of our larger files/data/downloads on | 02:49 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So I created a flash gallery template that expects the files to be in a certain location on our remote server :) | 02:50 |
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| metanil | thats ok .. just want to see other prototypes | 02:50 |
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| +Radix-wrk | http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos | 02:50 |
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| +Radix-wrk | that's an example of it in use if you wanted to see it | 02:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | it works great - as our developers can easily create flash movies of our software and just upload it and describe it and don't have to worry about the html/flash side of things | 02:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | we use it all the time now to show off new features and as part of our online training videos | 02:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the nice thing about that template is it has all the styling embedded into it.. two tone colouring, picture borders and drop shadowing, play button, etc | 02:55 |
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| +Radix-wrk | templating is where webgui really shows it's flexibility and power imho :) | 02:58 |
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| +Radix-wrk | whoah.. party in the WG house.. everyone's on tonight! | 02:59 |
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| +Radix-wrk | just need PD and you'll have a who's who of webgui online :) | 02:59 |
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| metanil | great! | 03:08 |
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| metanil | why its not showing the security tab (while editing article) even i'm in Admin group?? | 03:58 |
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| metanil | I cannot see security tab while editing page layout.. actually i change the owner of that pagelayout to current users... is this a problem? | 04:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | bah, all these PHP CMS's tick me off. | 04:43 |
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| metanil | anybody know how to change the rank of asset in asset manager? | 05:08 |
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| metanil | oops.. we can do it easily by drag n drop.. | 05:15 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:58 |
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| AMH_bob | Indeed. | 15:59 |
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| SDuensin | At least it's FRIDAY morning! | 16:00 |
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| +Radix_ | for you maybe :) | 16:07 |
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| +Radix_ | Friday is almost over here ;) | 16:07 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 16:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I must be suffering from friday afternoon brainlessness | 16:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but I try to add a field to the edit func of a custom asset | 16:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but for some reason i don't get it to work | 16:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | here it is: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3d855703 | 16:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I've done this a million time before but it just won't show up this time | 16:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no errors or whatever | 16:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the readOnly field just doesn't show up | 16:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anybody an idea? | 16:24 |
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| SDuensin | Sure you're editing in the right place? I do that a lot - edit in a backup copy or a test directory and not my live file. | 16:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | positive | 16:25 |
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| SDuensin | That's all I got. :-( | 16:26 |
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| * SDuensin isn't a WebGUI API guy. | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I am | 16:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's the worst part | 16:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I must be screwing something up | 16:26 |
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| SDuensin | hehehe | 16:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but I just cannot find it | 16:27 |
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| nuba | restarted apache, or using Apache2::Reload ? | 16:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:30 |
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| nuba | could it be missing the -name ? | 16:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i know what's wrong now | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and I suck | 16:33 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Subroutine getEditForm redefined at .... | 16:33 |
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| * MrHairgrease is banging his head againt the wall | 16:33 |
| nuba | heh | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it is not funny!!!! | 16:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:34 |
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| GeeKinpuT | hello everyone!!! | 16:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi geekinput | 16:55 |
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| GeeKinpuT | I just installed CentOS and I'm on the firewall screen, and I was wondering if I have to pick www(http) from the trusted services in order to run WebGUI or any other service. | 16:55 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you want to use webgui you should obviously open port 80 | 16:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the wre also uses port 81 and 3306 | 16:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but connects to those through localhost | 16:57 |
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| GeeKinpuT | so I don't have to pick anything but the www service? | 16:57 |
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| GeeKinpuT | do i have to have MySQL and mod_perl previously installed, or do they get added with WRE? | 16:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the wre includes them | 16:59 |
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| GeeKinpuT | 10-4 | 16:59 |
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| GeeKinpuT | thanks | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you cannot hgave another mysql on the box you run the wre on | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | also you cannot have an apache on either port 80 and 81 | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's in the docs if I'm correct | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in /data/wre/docs/install.txt | 17:00 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or something like that | 17:00 |
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| GeeKinpuT | so pretty much I don't need to have neither apache, mysql or perl installed on the box because the are included with WRE, right? | 17:00 |
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| +Radix_ | yup | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you can have perl installed | 17:01 |
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| +Radix_ | don't need it tho | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | depends on your distro | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ubuntu debian need perl to do packagemanagement and other admin tasks | 17:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno if the same applies to centos though | 17:02 |
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| +Radix_ | yeah, I think it's hard to avoid perl with centos too, but don't need it by default | 17:02 |
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| GeeKinpuT | cool, thanks. | 17:02 |
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| GeeKinpuT | C YA | 17:02 |
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| +Radix_ | i noticed that the wre is configured to use port 80 and 8081 now too | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:03 |
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| +Radix_ | at least the wre-source is | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:03 |
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| +Radix_ | that's what the new wre console uses by default | 17:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in that case it's 80, 8081 and 3306 | 17:03 |
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| +Radix_ | you can pick which ports you want to run them on tho | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the wreconsole uses 60834 | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | by default | 17:04 |
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| +Radix_ | I set mine to 80/81 just because it was familiar :) | 17:04 |
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| +Radix_ | and configured the distro version of apache (with php, etc) to run on port 82 :) | 17:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah i did somethiong similar | 17:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | because I needed a php apache too | 17:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does anybody know the speed difference between template toolkit and html::template? | 17:37 |
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| ckotil | pretty sure template toolkit is more advanced and allows you to do more | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:46 |
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| ckotil | more what i dont really know. havent played with it yet | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but is it much slower | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | me neither | 17:46 |
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| ckotil | im pushing h:t:e as far as it can go right now. | 17:46 |
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| ckotil | might have to switch to tt soon | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm still using h::t exclusively | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it's a pain | 17:47 |
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| ckotil | i bet. | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in some cases | 17:47 |
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| ckotil | i had to do some qwirky things such as make a link a differnet color if it pointed to something that was only viewable by a certain group. | 17:50 |
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| ckotil | had to ues h:t:e | 17:50 |
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| teflond0n | anyone here using mac osX for their install base | 18:36 |
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| perlDreamer | wG is developed on Mac OS X | 18:36 |
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| teflond0n | I | 18:36 |
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| teflond0n | I'm having permissions issues on the upload folder | 18:36 |
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| teflond0n | sometimes the uploads work - others they dont | 18:36 |
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| perlDreamer | have you checked the permissions of the folder and all subfolders? | 18:37 |
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| teflond0n | what I need to know is what should the permissions be set for the uploads folder | 18:37 |
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| teflond0n | is there a particular "user/group" that needs certain permissions | 18:37 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 18:37 |
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| perlDreamer | it needs to be readable and writable by the same user used by Apache | 18:38 |
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| teflond0n | so would that be the WebGUI user? | 18:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE, but I would guess so | 18:38 |
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| teflond0n | is there a security risk with giving webgui rwx permissions on the uploads folder? | 18:39 |
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| perlDreamer | not really | 18:40 |
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| teflond0n | what about the wheel group having rwx permissions | 18:40 |
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| nuba | check the first column of "ps auxwww | grep /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd" if you use the wre | 18:41 |
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| perlDreamer | that sounds like it could be a standard WRE setup. It's probably explained in the WebGUI Admin book | 18:42 |
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| teflond0n | im not seeing an apache folder in /data/wre/prereqs | 18:44 |
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| nuba | teflond0n: i have here the wre 0.7.x | 18:44 |
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| nuba | its not the latest | 18:44 |
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| nuba | you can use this to find exactly what users are being used by apache (modproxy and modperl) | 18:46 |
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| nuba | find /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf -type f | xargs grep -E '^User' | 18:46 |
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| nuba | of course you need to adapth the path to your wre setup | 18:46 |
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| nuba | afterwards to ajust the ownership do a chown -R username /data/domains/*/public | 18:53 |
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| nuba | again, of course adjusting the username and the path accordingly to your local setup | 18:53 |
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| nuba | makes sense ? | 18:57 |
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| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI woudln't interfer with apache settings on compressing content would it? | 19:09 |
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| perlDreamer | Of course not! | 19:10 |
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| perlDreamer | How dare you insinuate that. | 19:10 |
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| perlDreamer | Why, is it happening? :) | 19:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I wouldn't have imagined so as the admin would have to change that setting as far as I understand. | 19:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: No, but I'm looking for all the excuses in the world to move my personal net connection to a static connection, but my upstream gets cut in half when I do that. | 19:10 |
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| dionak | quick question about the isInGroup method in User.pm. Will it return true if the user is in a group that is a member of the groupId passed in? | 22:23 |
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| dionak | in other words, parent/child relationships of groups? | 22:25 |
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| elnino | if I do a count of assets of the class "page layout" will that give me the number of pages on my site? | 22:27 |
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| elnino | (as a sql query) | 22:27 |
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| @preaction | not really. assets don't need page layouts to be a "page" | 22:44 |
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| elnino | well. I know we don't have assets as "pages" themselves. So I should be ok. right? | 22:45 |
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| @preaction | it will be inaccurate in any case, since "pages" are not really defined in WebGUI | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | also, you might want to restrict it to certain sections of the site | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | but if it's just a statistic you're looking for, go for it | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | all statistics are wrong anyway, but nobody remembers that when they're looking at it | 22:46 |
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| @preaction | i mean, each thread in a collab is not part of a page layout, but might be considered a "page" by someone | 22:47 |
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| elnino | =) I'm trying tofigure out how many "pages" we have because alot of these 'free indexes" limit it to 500 pages, and I think we're close. | 22:47 |
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| elnino | hmm. forgot about those threads. | 22:48 |
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| elnino | I should have said that we don't use "article assets" as pages. so I'm thinking if I count page layouts, threads, I should be close. | 22:49 |
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| @preaction | Events for calendars too | 22:53 |
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| @preaction | and etc... | 22:53 |
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| elnino | oh geez. thanks! sneaky little assets. I appreciate your input! | 22:54 |
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| @preaction | if you're going for Search Engine Optimization, you may as well stop now. most of it is snake-oil except the part where it comes to implementing the w3c standards and using semantic markup | 22:54 |
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| elnino | don't tell that to my mktg person. The seo consultant has been already hired... | 22:55 |
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| @preaction | i wish i could be an SEO consultant, they make so much money for doing nothing | 22:55 |
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| @preaction | put a stupid link farm on the site, which ends up depressing the Page Rank | 22:56 |
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| elnino | =) | 22:56 |
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| elnino | my thoughts exactly. | 22:56 |
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| @preaction | oh, and yell at your designers for not being semantic | 22:57 |
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| @preaction | do stupid things with headline tags, like use h3 for paragraphs, because h3 is "more important to search engines" | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | dionak: yes | 22:58 |
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| elnino | got that one covered. I insisted that they *didn't* give me the html. I recreated their "design" myself. | 22:59 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5277 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Fix Freudian slip in widget entry: s/templatize/widgetize/ | 23:03 |
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| @apeiron | http://www.frozen-perl.org/mpw2008/schedule <-- can I have a clone for that day so I can go to both tracks? | 23:07 |
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| elnino_ | I'm trying to implement the Sitemap thingy on our site, and according to the wiki there is a macro called LastModifiedPage. I don't have this, is this a newer macro? I'm using 7.22.* somthing or other. | 23:09 |
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| @preaction | it's just called LastModified | 23:11 |
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| elnino_ | Thatn's what I thought. And afer I "fixed" he wiki, I realized that in her example, she is passsing in thhe url - which is not a parameter for the distributed "LastModified" macro that I'm accusom to. | 23:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | dang, I really need another dev to bounce ideas off of (I'm the only dev at my work). For the JS side of the survey system, each object was responsible for changing all its display characteristics and then clearing what came before. This turned into a mess. Duh, have a display manager that takes a request for display, then tells the requester to display itself and whatever was displayed before to clear itself. One central singleton f | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | anyone here think of any features they'd want in an IRC bot in this channel? i've already thought of RSS Notification (for webgui news, plainblack news). bug and rfe searching. wiki searching (for the webgui help wiki) | 05:01 |
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| +Radix_ | message delivery for offline users? | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | you can do that already with memoserv on this network | 05:03 |
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| @preaction | though only for registered users | 05:03 |
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| +Radix_ | Ahh k | 05:03 |
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| +Radix_ | I've seen it in other irc servers, not this one tho :) | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | i was thinking user lookup if the user's profile was public, but i don't think most people on plainblack/webgui.org realize they (a) have profiles (b) have private profiles | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | freenode has seenserv, which i've only seen here | 05:04 |
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| @preaction | you can message seenserv seen "nickname" and it will tell you the last time the user was on the network | 05:04 |
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| +Radix_ | yeah | 05:05 |
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| +Radix_ | Well the features you've proposed are great to me | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | might add SVN / repo log polling, so we can get rid of CIA-20 (since it's completely out of our control) | 05:05 |
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| @preaction | but CIA-20 does increase exposure for webgui (since it's yet another site the project is registered on) | 05:06 |
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| @preaction | oh, i want to add "dig <domain> [@host]" so that we can lookup DNS, and other networking troubleshooting issues | 05:06 |
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| +Radix_ | sounds good | 05:07 |
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| @preaction | might try to do something like "wg info <domain>" to get information about someone's site, like what version of WebGUI, what version of apache, etc... | 05:07 |
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| @preaction | we should add something about the WRE in the WRE's apache's ServerTokens | 05:08 |
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| +Radix_ | awesome | 05:08 |
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| metanil | can't we add individual description per image within a Photo gallery. (not just description for group of images).? | 08:27 |
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| @preaction | you could make a single post per image, but there's a better way to make a photo gallery: Image assets inside of a Folder. use the "synopsis" field of the Image to make a description | 09:14 |
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| @preaction | metanil, of course, there's a proper Gallery asset coming up in 7.5.0, but you'll be able to migrate your stuff from either the "Photo Gallery" (which is a collaboration system actually) or the Folder w/ Images i just described | 09:15 |
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| ckotil | nice. | 09:31 |
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| ckotil | ive done a simlliar thing w/ the folder asset turning it into a 'file reposity' | 09:32 |
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| @preaction | yeah, Gallery will eventually replace that (since Gallery allows more controls over normal users, plus comments, plus a better programming API) | 09:36 |
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| ckotil | yeah? sweet. think it could work as a file repository too? | 09:37 |
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| @preaction | yes, that's the idea | 09:38 |
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| @preaction | that's why it's not called Photo Gallery asset. it will be for files, movies, flash, images, etc... | 09:39 |
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| @preaction | i wonder how the Slideshow will be implemented with Flash (but i'm excited at the prospect of having both Flickr AND YouTube with the same Gallery asset) | 09:40 |
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| @preaction | slideshow == playlist. users can use the "make shortcut" feature to create their own playlists (for a youtube-style site) | 09:40 |
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| @preaction | if someone can do what Viddler did and integrate the comments feature right into the flash player itself, that would be awesome | 09:40 |
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| ckotil | sounds awsome. | 09:41 |
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| ckotil | im off to bed. night. | 09:42 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5278 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 10:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: fix: Mails sent from WebGUI now wrap at 78 characters to prevent a problem with | 10:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: SMTP servers that do not accept lines longer than 998 characters. This is per | 10:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: the SMTP RFCs. Added testing for this fix, still much to test for | 10:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: WebGUI::Mail::Send. Added API method to facilitate testing. | 10:03 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5279 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 4 dirs): backport 5278 | 10:03 |
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| @preaction | ok, that is far too much spam... imma make a better bot for that | 10:06 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5280 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: change attribution for bug report | 10:18 |
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| metanil | thanks preaction. | 10:24 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5281 /branch/doug-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:04 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So quiet | 21:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Very quiet. | 22:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | sssh, I'm trying to concentrate | 22:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 22:45 |
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| * perlmonkey2 just finished his 4th rewrite of the sections and questions handlers for the survey system. But I think I've finally found a paradigm I like. Writing good clean JS is harder than I thought. | 23:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | Anyone interested in looking at it now, here's the link: http://www.lostokies.com:81/javascript/editsurvey.js Drag and drop are active but don't reorder yet. Sections don't open and close their questions yet. And you can't add answers. But hopefully that will all change in a few hours now that I can stop repeating my work. | 23:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, why didn't someone think of integrating perl into the browser 10 years ago? | 23:36 |
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| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: That would be incredible. I sometimes here on #perl6 that perl6 might live in a parrot-clientside interperter | 23:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | s/here/hear/ | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | perl6 will be in a parrot interpreter. Do you mean that there will be a browser plugin for parrot? | 23:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm not sure it is a plugin, but integrated into mozilla products which could force it into IE. | 23:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | since parrot will execute JS, Python, etc. | 23:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | it could replace the JS engine. | 23:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | sweet | 23:39 |
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| perlmonkey2 | more than mere words can describe. | 23:40 |
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| beginwebgui | hello people | 02:51 |
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| beginwebgui | i want to show all users profiles on the site. Where should i start as i am beginner to webgui. Do i have to create marcro.. or template variable. However, i can change Operation/User.pm to return the profile. But how can i get them from the website and display?? | 02:53 |
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| beginwebgui | hello people | 05:24 |
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| beginwebgui | i want to show all users profiles on the site. Where should i start as i am beginner to webgui. Do i have to create marcro.. or template variable. However, i can change Operation/User.pm to return the profile. But how can i get them from the website and display?? | 05:24 |
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| beginwebgui | i have created a macro which will query the database and return formatted(HTML) results. Couldn't i use this macro in the description of an article asset?. I could use this macro in template but i just want this in a article/"page layout". | 05:40 |
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| Syn2 | the WRE rocks! | 17:07 |
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| Syn2 | sky high | 17:07 |
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| @preaction | amen | 17:08 |
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| * preaction & | 17:08 |
| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m314b0924 | 17:11 |
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| Syn2 | does that sound familiar? | 17:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | koen what server is that? | 17:14 |
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| Syn2 | that is a new virtual server | 17:15 |
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| Syn2 | with wre 0.8.1 | 17:15 |
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| Syn2 | and webgui 7.4.20 | 17:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know it's related to a bug i found some moths ago | 17:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | months | 17:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and that looks like error code i built in | 17:16 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i guess it comes from the patch i attached to the report | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno what causes it though | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm pretty sure i knew it | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i forgot | 17:17 |
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| Syn2 | hmm | 17:17 |
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| Syn2 | do you know what bug it was? | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just grep the source code for Group->new | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the bug was that wg::group just ignored the fact that the group did not exist | 17:18 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and just let you do stuff on non-existant groups | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which is bad | 17:18 |
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| Syn2 | true | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | since it did screw something up indirectly | 17:19 |
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| Syn2 | and that bug was fixed in which version? | 17:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | 7.4.something | 17:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if it happens the code triggering it should handle it | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if it doesn't you'll know because now it returns undef | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which causes a fatal error if you don't handle it | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | since you cannot excute methods on undefined vars | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but now i gotta get groceries before the store closes | 17:22 |
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| Syn2 | the code is in WebGUI/Group.pm | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it was added ion rev 4733 | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | by graham | 17:23 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 17:23 |
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| Syn2 | hmm | 17:23 |
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| Syn2 | the strange thing is.. | 17:28 |
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| Syn2 | I cannot find out where Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw is coming from | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | of course b/c it does not exist | 17:28 |
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| Syn2 | its not in select groupId from groups; | 17:28 |
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| Syn2 | I don't get it | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw is a non-existant groupId | 17:29 |
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| Syn2 | WebGUI has to get that id from somewhere | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hence the rror | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that can come from a lot of places | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | it adds a line to the log every time I visit a page on that site | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | webgui.procolix.com | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | each time with adifferent id? | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | nope | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | the same each time | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | over and over again | 17:30 |
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| Syn2 | I guess it has something to do with importing packages | 17:31 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's probably the subscription groupId of a collaboration system | 17:31 |
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| Syn2 | but there are no collaboration systems on that site | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or an asset with viewgroup id set to that | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | try something like this | 17:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | select assetId from assetData where groupIdView = 'Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw' | 17:33 |
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| Syn2 | ok | 17:33 |
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| Syn2 | hang on | 17:33 |
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| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d72579e17 | 17:33 |
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| Syn2 | indeed | 17:33 |
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| Syn2 | quite some lines found | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so what has happened is this | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you had some group with that group id | 17:34 |
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| Syn2 | in the old site | 17:34 |
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| Syn2 | probably | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and set the view group of a number oif assets to it | 17:34 |
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| Syn2 | indeed | 17:34 |
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| Syn2 | and I imported them | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | then at some time you deleted that group | 17:34 |
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| Syn2 | from a package | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah that must be it in your case | 17:35 |
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| Syn2 | and the package import doesn't reset the permissions | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | reset to what | 17:35 |
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| Syn2 | would you consider that a bug in the package import? | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:35 |
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| Syn2 | reset to a 'default' group | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c there's no way for the import system to know what that default group is | 17:35 |
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| +MrHairgrease | after import | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just do a edeit branch | 17:36 |
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| Syn2 | that I understand | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and set em yourself | 17:36 |
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| Syn2 | I will | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you could make it an rfe i guess | 17:36 |
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| Syn2 | indeed | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | to let the imported asset inherit the perms of their prent asset | 17:36 |
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| Syn2 | an rfe for: warn for non-existant groups when importing | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | if you wanna know for sure if it's a bug | 17:36 |
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| Syn2 | or inherit the perms of the parent indeed | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ask the pb guys | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | :) | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | ok | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | the fastest way for that is just to submit a bug report | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i'm ging to the stre now | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | if it isn't considered a bug the bug report will be closed | 17:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | okie | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | later | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/let-package-import-inherit-permissions | 18:04 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 19:08 |
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| Syn2 | re | 19:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | re? | 19:09 |
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| Syn2 | re=hallo again | 19:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | are you on drugs again? | 19:10 |
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| Syn2 | if you'd call potter's drugs | 19:10 |
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| Syn2 | then yes | 19:10 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I'm on pan tostado's | 19:10 |
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| Syn2 | I went to the emergency exit yesterday | 19:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | much better | 19:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 19:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | forgot about that | 19:11 |
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| Syn2 | it was fabulous! | 19:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cool | 19:11 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I need help on the WebGUI survey. On the DOM side, I have a UL full of LI's indexed on their ID. A section has an id of S# and a question has an id of Q#. Functionally, sections and questions are objects. A section has an array of questions which belong to it (In the DOM, their LI occurs directly below the section's LI. The problem is how best to map the section's array of questions model to the DOM single list model. | 20:17 |
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| perlmonkey2 | When you drag a section below another section, the first section should be moved below the last question of the second section, and all the first section's questions should also be moved in order. | 20:18 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hah, the programmers stone is right. Just trying to explain the problem provides key insight to the questioner. | 20:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The whole thing is simple Since a question knows which section it belongs to (When a new question is added, the highlighted section is used, or if no section is highlighted, the last section), when the user drags a section onto a question belonging to another section, simply move that section and all its questions below the last question in the new section. | 20:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Does anyone have a better way to move these objects than by deleting the existing dom object and creating new ones, appended to the bottom question node? | 20:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So if section A was drug onto question 23 of section B, we would tell section A and all its questions to delete their dom nodes. Then we would get the last dom node of question B and tell section A to append itself to that node, and all its questions following. So sections need a method to delete their nodes, then create a new need after a given node. Then loop through all their questions telling them to append to the node in front of | 20:27 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hah, I think that will work. | 20:27 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But now we need to renumber everything......which will be a nightmare since references to other objects are everywhere. I need to use a different parameter, besides the objects' index, for storing order of presentation. That way referential integrity isn't forever broken because I can't track down every reference to an id, when the id has to change because everything was reordred. | 20:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So reordering is as simple as after a drag and drop, going from the beginning of the list to the end and updating the order param by adding one to the order param in the previous node. | 20:32 |
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| perlmonkey2 | easy | 20:32 |
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| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/ma7ebe24 | 21:29 |
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| Syn2 | wre 0.8.1 error | 21:29 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 21:30 |
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| Syn2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/pdf2txt_pl-points-to-non-existing-prereqs/bin/pdf2txt/1 is the same | 21:30 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:17 |
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| BartJol | hi | 16:19 |
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| * perlmonkey2 is completely stuck on the survey module. | 16:46 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2, being completely stuck is a bad thing | 16:49 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes......it sucks.....chased my tail all weekend. | 16:50 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html add a few questions and sections then tell me the use cases for dragging them around...... | 16:51 |
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| perlmonkey2 | questions should belong to sections, and sections just contain a header for the survey section plus metadata for how the questions it holds should behave. | 16:52 |
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| @preaction | what if some suit decides that asking about a person's demographics should occur first? or asking question about salary should be before asking their age-group | 16:53 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That's the point of making sections draggable. If you have demographics section at the end of the survey, but decide to make it first, you can simply drag it to the top. | 16:54 |
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| perlmonkey2 | and all its questoins will go to the top with it. | 16:54 |
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| perlmonkey2 | wait....I have a very simple solution.....I'm going to play with tis for a second. every question and section has a unique id. Order is completely ignored until submission, where the order everythign is in is recorded. | 16:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Which means I can't have Section 1, I'll just say "Section: sectiontext.substr(1..25)" in the section block. | 16:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | not having to track order when the users are dragging and dropping makes it a billion times easier. | 16:56 |
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| @preaction | amen to that | 16:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But is that okay? Won't users like being able to reference "Question 17" | 16:58 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Instead of "in the second section about 20 questoins in, is the multiple choice asking about widgets" | 16:58 |
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| @preaction | but if the survey works right, there are questions they might never see, correct? | 16:59 |
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| @preaction | so if the numbering is pre-assigned, they'll wonder about the questions they "missed" | 16:59 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: The survey taker, yes. | 16:59 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but this for the survey editor. | 17:00 |
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| @preaction | they could both just use the question itself. or if necessary you could assign them a small ID string | 17:00 |
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| @preaction | or even keep the numbering, just re-number them each time they're moved around maybe? durno really | 17:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | that's what I've been trying. | 17:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hmm.....If I just kept the order info local for each section, then I could have two Questions 1's as long as they were in two seperate sections. | 17:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That would remove the problems I was having of updating every single question's order during a drag and drop. | 17:03 |
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| @preaction | ah. so S1Q1 and S2Q1 | 17:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Bah, the problem is these things take like 2-4 hours to implement in code, until I realize the paradigm is too complex to be really viable. | 17:04 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But I like that......It means I only have to update order in the local section (or two sections if the question is drug to another section). but it limits the scope of the effects on the rest of the survey. | 17:05 |
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| @preaction | btw, your UI is beautiful and intuitive | 17:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: You are the first person to say it looks nice....thank you very much. | 17:11 |
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| wgGuest53 | Hi! Is this the place to ask questions? | 17:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes | 17:12 |
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| @preaction | just one of many places | 17:12 |
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| wgGuest53 | i was wanting to use the project manager and time tracker. Can that be used to track time for various users? | 17:12 |
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| @preaction | uhm... uhmmmmm.... uhhhhhhmmmmmmm..... have you tried them out? played around with them? | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest53 | I just installed them and I can see where i can track my time, but can a person log on without admin rights? Maybe that should be the question I'm asking. | 17:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i have this one site running 7.3.22 | 17:14 |
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| @preaction | yes, people can log on without admin rights if they have an account | 17:14 |
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| wgGuest53 | ah. | 17:14 |
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| @preaction | MrHairgrease, get with the times, man | 17:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and all content in the uploads directories is delivered anyway regardless of the contents of .wgaccess | 17:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | any idea what it can be? | 17:15 |
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| @preaction | MrHairgrease, using WRE and mod_proxy instance? | 17:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:16 |
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| @preaction | the mod_proxy instance doesn't check .wgaccess | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:16 |
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| @preaction | you need WebGUI to do that, and mod_proxy doesn't have WebGUI | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ic | 17:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i can tell modproxy to deliver the uploads request through webgui right | 17:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:17 |
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| @preaction | yes, there should be a line in wre/etc/yoursite.modproxy | 17:17 |
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| * MrHairgrease is checking it out | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yup | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | uncommenting it now | 17:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 17:19 |
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| @preaction | you mean commenting? the line should be a rewriterule that stops the proxy from happening | 17:19 |
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| +MrHairgrease | crappy wifi | 17:21 |
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| +MrHairgrease | keeps dropping my connection | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | # RewriteRule ^/uploads/ - [L] | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | now it works | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | as intended | 17:22 |
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| @preaction | good | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i meant commenting it out | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | not uncommenting | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's the dutch <-> english thing | 17:23 |
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| @preaction | yeah, blame it on the translation ;-) | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in the Netherlands i would say i were to 'outcomment' it | 17:23 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hence the typo | 17:23 |
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| @preaction | not another one of your Dutch "liquid lunches" | 17:23 |
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| * MrHairgrease is running to the coffe machine | 17:23 |
| @preaction | irish coffee? | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but w/o the coffee | 17:24 |
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| BartJol | liquid lunch? where? | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | cause it distracts you from the key point of irish coffee | 17:24 |
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| @preaction | outcomment makes sense, since we say "comment out" | 17:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure it does | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it is a wrong word | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | uncommenting is not as far as i know | 17:25 |
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| @preaction | crazy bavarian compound-words | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so i just migled that | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey | 17:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm not german | 17:25 |
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| @preaction | near enough that their decadent culture is gnawing at your mind ;) | 17:26 |
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| @preaction | (he says as he sits in the middle of red-neck, white-bread, over-religious Amerika) | 17:27 |
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| * MrHairgrease thinks preaction should go back herding his cows | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | or whatever people do in wisconsin | 17:27 |
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| @preaction | definately the cows | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:27 |
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| @preaction | spoiling milk to make gold | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | thanks for the help | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i couldn't understand why the uploadhandler wasn't beiong called | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but now it makes sence | 17:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sense* | 17:28 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I'm totally screwed | 17:28 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I just got an email "When do you expect to have the survey system ready for testing/trainign. We need to schedule a visit from a visiting grant sponsor from Sandia labs to train on it." | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so tell em to schdule it next year =) | 17:29 |
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| @preaction | yay deadlines! | 17:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | hah, I like next year ! | 17:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Once I finish the survey system, how long does it normally take for a new core system, developed outside of PB, to be incorporated? | 17:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | My people want to know how long it will have to be used as a seperate Wobject rather than a core component. | 17:31 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I guess this depends a lot on if it is a POS :P | 17:32 |
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| @preaction | i believe JT has said that the feature freeze is happening at the end of this month | 17:32 |
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| perlmonkey2 | well if it isn't done by then, it probably isn't getting done. | 17:32 |
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| @preaction | so probably the 7.6 dev cycle then, which we're starting 6-month release cycles | 17:32 |
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| @preaction | the 23rd he said was the first of the beta releases of 7.5, but he said he might give PB a day during our yearly meeting to implement whatever RFEs we want that have bugged us | 17:33 |
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| @preaction | so i think features might still be added after the 7.5 releases get started | 17:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | sweet........that is great news. | 17:34 |
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| @preaction | i believe we've got the Survey, the Maps that nuba (i think) is working on, and someone is doing the Thingy (but not sure who or the status of it) | 17:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I'm excited about Thingy. | 17:34 |
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| @preaction | if that holds true, i might even be able to get the Asset Report into 7.5 | 17:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | No idea what it really does, but it sounds cool. | 17:35 |
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| @preaction | as an application, it's huge. from what i understand, it's like MS Access | 17:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | dang........ | 17:35 |
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| @preaction | you can create a database, create forms and reports for that database | 17:35 |
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| @preaction | create templates for those reports and forms | 17:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | programming logic in the forms? | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | dunno | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | i would hope | 17:36 |
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| perlmonkey2 | so you could say, if answer A go to question 2 if answer B go to question 3? | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | i think it's more of a simple database. it's the DataForm, SQLForm, and more rolled into one | 17:36 |
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| @preaction | address book, contacts, almost like a CRM, but not that powerful | 17:37 |
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| perlmonkey2 | oh....wow | 17:37 |
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| @preaction | dunno what the actual definition of a CRM is, what makes those different from just a database, but whatevz | 17:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 17:39 |
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| @preaction | and the most fun about JS applications inside of asset edit forms: you're already in a form. but you don't know which form, where it is, how it is, or what it contains | 17:39 |
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| @preaction | so it's going to be a slew of "getElementsByTagName" and ugly functions to get and set the values i need to get and set... | 17:40 |
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| perlmonkey2 | for the Thingy? | 17:42 |
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| perlmonkey2 | it is going to be mostly implemented in JS? | 17:42 |
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| @preaction | no, i'm not doing the thingy. i'm making the Asset Report, which is inheriting from a generic Report framework | 17:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | ooooohh | 17:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yes, that sounds painful. | 17:43 |
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| @preaction | the Report framework is going to allow multiple views, each view having a different template and style (so you could make RSS feeds with a Report subclass, or XML feeds, or JSON feeds, or whatever) | 17:43 |
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| @preaction | i've at least got a decent system in place, just whenever i have to write javascript my brain turns to mush. especially when there are no puzzles left to solve | 17:44 |
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| perlmonkey2 | oh yes....javascript is more tedious than Java. | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | js sucks | 17:45 |
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| perlmonkey2 | when I think I've got the arch of the applicatoin figured out, implementing it in JS is like hammering nails into my kneecap. | 17:45 |
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| +MrHairgrease | do you guys know this book | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://www.amazon.com/Pro-JavaScript-Techniques-John-Resig/dp/1590597273/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200325531&sr=8-1 | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's pretty good | 17:46 |
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| perlmonkey2 | nope, I have a 5 year old O'reilly book.....But I don't really need a book much for JS anymore. | 17:46 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it's about the only book that has helped me wrap my mind around how to write readable and maintainable javascript stuff | 17:47 |
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| @preaction | i find my JS is becoming a mixture of BSD-style C and PBP-style Perl | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that's not the best way to code in js | 17:48 |
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| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I may have to order it then. Does this look maintainable to you? http://www.lostokies.com:81/javascript/editsurvey.js | 17:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it has global vars | 17:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | which suck | 17:49 |
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| @preaction | yeah, globals are bad | 17:50 |
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| @preaction | put them in your namespace instead | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's one thing the book explains | 17:50 |
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| @preaction | same with your functions: WebGUI.Survey.functionName = function ( args ) { ... } | 17:50 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it still have to get my feet wet with large js apps | 17:50 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: but that makes it a singleton. | 17:52 |
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| @preaction | i suppose i might be mad for saying so: you can get away with that, since there will never be more than one survey management system per page | 17:52 |
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| @preaction | will there? | 17:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://javascript.crockford.com/ | 17:53 |
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| perlmonkey2 | This is for editing the survey, so I know it won't conflict, since you'd never edit two surveys, let alone two systems on the same page. | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you should read the prototypal inheritance articlke on that page | 17:54 |
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| @preaction | and it doesn't have to be a singleton, if you have an object constructor: WebGUI.Survey.Manager, then you can add methods to it via WebGUI.Survey.Manager.prototype.functionName = function ( args ) {...} | 17:54 |
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| perlmonkey2 | And for the display, it won't involve much JS. Probably just submit and reload with ajax....but maybe not for version 1. Probably do the survey executation as normal CGI. | 17:54 |
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| perlmonkey2 | But then there will only be 1 WebGUI.Survey.Manager. | 17:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I need a question object for every question created. | 17:55 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I guess I could create WebGUI.Survey.Questions and just make all the members arrays, and then question 1 would be found in the zero index of the arrays, q2 in the 1 index, ect. But that sounds backwards. | 17:57 |
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| @preaction | that's what the prototype can be used for: WebGUI.Survey.Question = function ( ) { }; WebGUI.Survey.Question.prototype.MethodName = function { ... }; var q = new WebGUI.Survey.Question; q.MethodName <- calls my method | 17:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the book describes all this stuff | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in various ways | 17:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and also how 'this' behaves | 17:59 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: Look at the Display Manager | 17:59 |
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| perlmonkey2 | You are saying I could do var dm = new WebGUI.DM; and dm would contain a second instance of the WebGUI.DM object? | 18:00 |
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| @preaction | right | 18:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Which is cool, but in order to clean up the namespace, you create superfulous instances of objects, since the first instance of WebGUI.DM would never be used. | 18:01 |
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| @preaction | in this instance, no, a second instance is not needed | 18:01 |
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| @preaction | but as you said, there are multiple questions | 18:01 |
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| @preaction | and sections | 18:02 |
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| @preaction | sections contain questions, so section objects have question objects inside them. asking a section to draw itself will make the section ask the questions to draw themselves | 18:02 |
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| @preaction | which, now that i've been able to actually say this, means that i've been thinking about my javascript all wrong | 18:02 |
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| perlmonkey2 | var temp = new WebGUI.DM; //is not a constructor is the error. | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | does WebGUI.DM = function () { ... }; ? | 18:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI.DM = function(){ | 18:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | var lastQId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | var lastSId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | var lastAId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | var lastObject; | 18:03 |
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| @preaction | i think you need the () after new WebGUI.DM | 18:04 |
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| wgGuest53 | Hi! Question: Say I wanted to edit a line in the In/Out Board module. Can I FTP to my site to do that? or is there a better way? | 18:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI.DM = function(){...}(); is what I have. | 18:06 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest53, it's not recommended that you edit WebGUI modules, since an upgrade will destroy your changes. what does the IOB not do that you need it to do? | 18:07 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I've tried this before. In all the examples and texts I could find online, the only example of objects that can be called with new, are functions. And I've never seen a function that can have a full namespace. | 18:07 |
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| wgGuest53 | Where it says: "What's Happening" I would like to say "Expiration Date". I'm using it to show which workers have taken a particular test (in/out) and when their expiration date on their card is. | 18:08 |
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| wgGuest53 | so i'm using in/out to say yes/no. | 18:09 |
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| wgGuest53 | but i need to change the label "what's happening" to "expiration date". | 18:09 |
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| wgGuest53 | does that make sense? | 18:09 |
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| @preaction | yes. it sounds like you should be using something else, like a dataform perhaps. otherwise you want to edit the i18n file, since that is where that text is defined | 18:11 |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3b3f7f91 <- a proof-of-concept | 18:12 |
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| wgGuest53 | ok. i'll try that. thanks! | 18:12 |
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| @preaction | i'm not sure if it's "this" or just being called with "new" that causes JS to create an object instance | 18:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: ack....I can't get it to work with the list object syntax. | 18:16 |
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| @preaction | pastebin is in the topic, put the problem code there | 18:16 |
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| @preaction | perhaps a minimal testcase is in order as well? | 18:16 |
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| @preaction | the ##javascript channel on this network has been helpful to me in the past | 18:17 |
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| perlmonkey2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d46f1a08d | 18:17 |
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| @preaction | when assigning properties to an object you need to use "this", not "var". this.property = "value"; | 18:18 |
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| @preaction | nothing is returned from an object constructor | 18:18 |
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| @preaction | just the act of calling "new" creates an object | 18:18 |
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| @preaction | to assign methods to object, use Object.prototype.Method = function ..., as i did in my code | 18:19 |
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| @preaction | Object must resolve to a function, so in your case: WebGUI.DM.prototype.Method | 18:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I thought this and var controlled if it was private or public | 18:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | but I just got it to work. | 18:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | This is so frick'n sweat. I can use the list syntax for object creation and they can actually be real objects callable with new. | 18:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | so I get pretty syntax, full namespaces, and real objects. | 18:22 |
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| @preaction | var defines the scope of the variable. once the block that "var" is in ends, the variable is garbage | 18:23 |
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| @preaction | it's like my, only not precisely | 18:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I don't like the prototype method......too much like inside out objects. I like the list syntax. | 18:23 |
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| @preaction | list syntax is the old way of doing things, prototype method is, from what i understand, the inheritable way to do things | 18:24 |
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| perlmonkey2 | good lord it is ugly and defines objects in several statements. | 18:24 |
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| @preaction | it defines the methods in different statements, yes. | 18:24 |
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| perlmonkey2 | and I shoudl be able to inherit superclasses with this syntax. | 18:24 |
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| @preaction | it's more like regular OO-programming, like Perl or Jaa | 18:24 |
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| @preaction | true, i guess | 18:25 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Well cool, thanks for the help | 18:26 |
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| wgGuest53 | may i ask a question about the dataform? | 18:35 |
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| perlDreamer | whoa | 18:38 |
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| perlDreamer | the whole gang's here! | 18:38 |
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| wgGuest53 | when listing the data entries, it lists the "entry id":(oHRJt14iGhgjSFkYIFDFjg) instead of the user name. It also lists the "yes/no" response as "1/2". How can I make it report the username and yes/no? | 18:38 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest53, are you talking about the DataForm? | 18:45 |
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| wgGuest53 | yes | 18:45 |
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| perlDreamer | Have you looked through the freely available online Help to get a list of template variables for the DataForm List Template? | 18:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Like, by going into Admin mode, hitting the Help icon (which looks like a ship's lifesaver) | 18:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Scrolling down to the DataForm List Template Variables entry | 18:47 |
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| perlDreamer | and reading through the list of template variables | 18:48 |
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| wgGuest53 | ah. ok. thanks. sorry. | 18:48 |
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| perlDreamer | No problem. | 18:48 |
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| perlDreamer | As the 1/2 yes/no issue, that sounds like a bug, especially if you're using a default template | 18:48 |
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| perlDreamer | Please file it in the Report a Bug section on the website. | 18:48 |
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| wgGuest53 | ok. thanks. i'll check it out. | 18:48 |
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| perlDreamer | be sure to mention what version of wG (not the WRE) that you're using | 18:49 |
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| @preaction | i'll bet it has to be 1/2 (and not 0/1) because of HTML::Template (0 is false which won't get properly assigned) | 18:49 |
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| perlDreamer | It looks like in the DataForm yes and no are translated from strings "yes" and "no" to 1 and 0 | 18:51 |
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| @preaction | that's weird. the WebGUI::Form::YesNo stores them as 0 (no) and 1 (yes). maybe the template has to do the actual showing of "yes" or "no" based on a conditional | 18:53 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe. In any case, 1/2 is not right. | 18:53 |
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| wgGuest53 | I see the list of template variables. where do I go to use or edit the template? | 19:05 |
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| perlDreamer | The easiest way, IIRC, is to edit the DataForm, then flip to the Display tab where the templates are | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | Next to the Data Form List template, there should be an edit button | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | now, for working with templates | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | you should never, ever modify a default wG template, because upgrades may stomp on your changes | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | Make a copy of that template, change it, and then tell the dataform to use your copy | 19:06 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest53, you may learn a ton from looking at the Wiki at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki | 19:12 |
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| perlDreamer | and the Content Manager's Guide from Plain Black also covers a ton of these learning WebGUI Issues | 19:12 |
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| xdanger | is there a payment plugint for webgui that you can use in europe? | 20:19 |
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| wgGuest53 | I have an issue with SQLFORMS | 20:19 |
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| wgGuest53 | when I attempt to create a field in "SQLFORM, ADD/EDIT FIELD" I receive the following error: Problem With Request"We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again. If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem." Then it logs me out. | 20:20 |
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| wgGuest53 | can someone please speak with me about this? | 20:20 |
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| wgGuest53 | I've been looking through the forums | 20:21 |
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| @preaction | Problem With Request will be in the error log | 20:24 |
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| perlDreamer | webgui.log | 20:26 |
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| wgGuest53 | where is webgui.log? | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | usually in /var/log/webgui.log | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | but it depends on your system | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | and if you use the WRE | 20:40 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction is right, it's good to check the apache error log too | 20:41 |
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| wgGuest53 | I'm being hosted on plainblack server: http://web368.plainblack.net/ but can't FTP into it. any suggestions? | 20:50 |
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| perlDreamer | If you're hosted by PB, then you might try the paid support board. | 20:51 |
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| wgGuest53 | when i log in at "http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support" it shows me as logged in, but tells me: "Permission Denied!" | 20:55 |
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| perlDreamer | Are you paying for support, or just hosting? | 20:56 |
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| wgGuest53 | I am on the $50/mo - Supported WebGUI Hosting plan | 20:57 |
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| perlDreamer | In that case, you should call them and report the problem with not being able to access the support board. | 20:58 |
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| perlDreamer | then, after that is fixed, post your SQL Form problem over theer | 20:58 |
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| wgGuest53 | cool. is there a phone number i should have access to? | 20:59 |
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| perlDreamer | I would guess that the one on the website would work? | 20:59 |
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| wgGuest53 | d'oh! thanks. | 21:00 |
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| Syn2 | this one is for JT: http://xkcd.com | 00:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that's a cool comic | 00:20 |
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| Syn2 | :) | 00:23 |
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| Syn2 | when will IRC karma points be introduced? | 00:23 |
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| perlDreamer | they already work | 00:24 |
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| Syn2 | i got to get more karma than morekarmathankoenandbart | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | ++ Syn2 | 00:24 |
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| Syn2 | :) | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | perlbot: karms Syn2 | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
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| perlbot | Syn2 doesn't have any karma | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Syn2++ | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
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| perlbot | Karma for Syn2: 1 | 00:24 |
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| Syn2 | huu | 00:24 |
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| Syn2 | that is scary indeed | 00:24 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Syn2-- | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma | 00:25 |
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| perlbot | pass out karma to those who deserve it (GumbyGumby++) and retract it from those who don't (php--) | 00:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that'll get your feet on the ground again =) | 00:25 |
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| Syn2 | SexOnTheBeach++ | 00:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I would never ever give someone called gumbygumby karma | 00:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ever | 00:25 |
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| +MrHairgrease | SandInYourAss-- | 00:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:26 |
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| Syn2 | would you give carma to someone who has perl in his nick? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | nah. guys like that are losers and hacker wannabes | 00:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer++ | 00:26 |
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| +MrHairgrease | b/c I like losers and wnnabee hackers | 00:27 |
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| Syn2 | hehe | 00:27 |
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| Syn2 | I knew you liked me :) | 00:27 |
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| perlDreamer | thank you, MrHairGrease | 00:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Not only are you an uber-hacker and EuroTrash, you're also a gentleman | 00:28 |
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| Syn2 | hehe | 00:28 |
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| Syn2 | eurotrash, does that consist at least partly out of belgian beer? | 00:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | don't forget the ultrahip | 00:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and what was the other thing again | 00:28 |
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| Syn2 | overconfident? | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | Chief Spokesman for Murray's ? | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm chceking the irc logs | 00:29 |
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| perlDreamer | Baron of Beer Consumption? | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sexappeal | 00:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | or however you spell that | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:30 |
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| Syn2 | I gotta lie down for half an hour before I embark on a trip of night hacking | 00:30 |
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| Syn2 | brb | 00:30 |
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| +MrHairgrease | rizen: thanks for the chocolates btw | 00:43 |
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| +MrHairgrease | they're nice | 00:43 |
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| @rizen | you're quite welcome | 00:43 |
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| perlDreamer | does anyone know how TT benchmarks vs H::T? | 00:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i asked the same friday | 00:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so please relay your findings to me too | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | i don't remember where i saw the benchmarks, but when i first decided to go with H::T vs TT it was close to 10:1 difference | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | however, we're talking ms here, so in the greater scheme of things, 10:1 isn't noticable on a single page ivew | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | it only becomes apparent across the entire site | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | the one advantage that TT has over H::T in most situations (but not in webgui) is that it can optionally generate some templates | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | template tags that is | 00:57 |
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| perlDreamer | http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html#2000 | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | because you can pass in subrefs | 00:57 |
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| perlDreamer | TT is slightly faster, but uses 3X the memory | 00:57 |
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| +MrHairgrease | who cares | 00:58 |
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| perlDreamer | and that comparison is 5 years old | 00:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:58 |
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| @rizen | that's not the one i saw | 00:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i can imagine that the difference fot h::t is minimal though | 00:58 |
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| @rizen | keep in mind that no matter what charts you can find, they won't apply to webgui because webgui was written with HTML::Template in mind, not TT | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | so H:T has a big advantage in wg | 01:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it very well could be | 01:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but how is wg specifically written for h::t? | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | Don't you just build a hash and shove it into the templating engnie? | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah, what MrHairgrease said | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | MrHairgrease++ | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | because we prebuild a bunch of crap that you wouldn't prebuild for TT | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i imagine that all template systems in essence just get a gob of data | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and so something with it | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | because for example | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | there's no way to do $a == $b | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | in H:T | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but i can imagine that if you don't do all those complex things with tt | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | but if we were optimized for TT, then we wouldn't do those things | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it'll be faster than if you do | 01:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so the difference is prolly not as bad as you say | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | you're missing it | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | or i'm not explaining it right | 01:04 |
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| perlDreamer | so it's the difference between precompiling stuff that might not be needed | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | yes | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | sure | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | pd gets the cookie | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but that overhead is there for h::t to | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | but it's not just variables | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i'm saying | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | wait a sec | 01:04 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i think you're not getting me =) | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | it's also because TT can get sub refs passed into it | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | to conditionally process stuff | 01:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i know | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | and the other difference is, that TT is loading its ability to do all that other crap | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | even though you don't use it in webgui | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | whereas H:T doesn't have it, so it doesn't load it | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | that's why i say that WebGUI was built with H:T in mind, not TT | 01:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what i tried to say is that if all the crap is precalculated you don't have to do that in tt | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | and why H:T has an advantage in WebGUI that TT doesn't | 01:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | and use tt just like you'd use h::t | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | right, that's what we do | 01:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i understand that still tt would priolly be slower | 01:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it's not as bad as to have and calculate it all AGAIN in tt | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | however, if we redesigned things to work with TT natively, TT could definitely get a performance boost in webgui | 01:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I'm sad to say that I have decided to not follow your advice. I am going to go with the OOP module used in the YUI examples. | 01:07 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Which is kind of a mismatch of literal singletons and namespaced functions. | |
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