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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5217 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: add tests for getTitle and getMenuTitle | 05:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5218 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: tests for getToolbarState, toggleToolbar and getUiLevel | 06:18 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: doug * r5219 /branch/doug-experimental/lib/WebGUI/ (Asset/Report.pm i18n/English/Asset_Report.pm): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hello? | 20:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | Everyone still hung over? | 20:23 |
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| BartJol | well happy new year everybody | 21:39 |
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| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5220 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 21:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add the failing test for assetAddPrivileges back in, but don't run it. | 21:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add tests for assetUiLevel and getUiLevel. | 21:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5221 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: Coverage tests for assetExists. | 23:48 |
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| dannymk | cap10morgan, please contact me when you get a chance. I would like to add your patch to my module, however I have a few questions. | 00:12 |
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| dannymk | Hi preaction | 01:18 |
| dannymk | happy new year. | 01:18 |
| @preaction | indeed | 01:18 |
| dannymk | I am in the process of adding Authentication 2.0 to the OpenId module | 01:19 |
| @preaction | nice | 01:20 |
| dannymk | as you requested. However, the rest will have to wait. Just started a new Perl training job that is taking up a lot of my time. | 01:21 |
| dannymk | Have you seen cap10morgan on this channel in the last month? | 01:22 |
| @preaction | no problem, i've finally got time and my own branch to start experimenting with, but i've got some productivity things to do first (since everything I do would be so much easier if I didn't copy/paste it every single time, and instead subclassed it) | 01:22 |
| @preaction | yes, once in a while | 01:22 |
| dannymk | I need to talk to him about his patch. Where can I find his email? | 01:25 |
| @preaction | is his profile private? | 01:26 |
| dannymk | yes | 01:26 |
| @preaction | you might want to just reply to the thread, he'll get an e-mail if he's subscribed to it | 01:29 |
| dannymk | Done! | 01:29 |
| dannymk | I also would like to work on the WChat object. Since I have been away a while I expect someone else took on the module. | 01:30 |
| dannymk | has it been worked on? | 01:30 |
| @preaction | nope, we've been busy on other things | 01:30 |
| dannymk | Darn, I need to work on that too. | 01:31 |
| @preaction | I've got a little ajax-enabled Shoutbox asset though, if you want the code for that | 01:31 |
| dannymk | Really would love to have that Chat WObject | 01:31 |
| @preaction | i made it as part of the WUC last october | 01:31 |
| @preaction | you still haven't gotten it? we tried about 10 different ways | 01:31 |
| dannymk | yes, I have it now. Just have not worked on the code | 01:32 |
| @preaction | ah | 01:32 |
| dannymk | would like it to be done! :-P | 01:32 |
| dannymk | Guess, I have to work on it. | 01:32 |
| @preaction | it'd be nice, to be sure | 01:32 |
| @preaction | but imho there are more important things. the chat wobject is a flashy eye-candy thing, i've got internal mechanical things that i need to work on to make webgui better | 01:33 |
| @preaction | that isn't to say that the chat wobject won't bring more people into webgui than my work | 01:33 |
| dannymk | you guys have your hands full and that is why I help when I can. | 01:35 |
| dannymk | I appreciate the software. It is clean, simple and somewhat well documented. | 01:35 |
| dannymk | :-) | 01:35 |
| @preaction | have you seen the new URL / Content handlers, they're insanely awesome | 01:35 |
| @preaction | the new developments in 7.5 (HEAD) are going to kick even more ass than 7.4 did | 01:36 |
| @preaction | perlbot crud | 01:38 |
| @preaction | perlbot learn crud as Create, Retrieve, Update, Delete -- the four corners of a proper database management tool | 01:38 |
| perlbot | added crud to the database | 01:38 |
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| dannymk | Not yet, very immersed in this new project I have in my new job | 01:47 |
| @preaction | understandable, new jobs are always fun | 01:47 |
| dannymk | I hate sysadmin/developer work but I hae to make a living :-) | 01:47 |
| dannymk | hae=have | 01:47 |
| @preaction | why do you hate sysadmin/developer work? what would you rather be doing? | 01:47 |
| dannymk | that is why I don't login during the day any longer | 01:47 |
| dannymk | I just rather be just a developer | 01:47 |
| @preaction | ah | 01:48 |
| dannymk | in these jobs I have to be a jack of all trades. Sysadmin, DBA, Developer, Designer, etc... | 01:48 |
| @preaction | eh, i'm a generalist. i learned how to be a developer, and now that i've got a very decent job doing that, i'm teaching myself how to sysadmin / netadmin / network, etc.. | 01:48 |
| @preaction | i like knowing as much as possible about everything | 01:48 |
| dannymk | I have been doing it almost 20 years and my mind can't take all the junk :-( | 01:49 |
| dannymk | just too much to learn | 01:49 |
| dannymk | don't mind working on stuff a bit but when it becomes part of my job then it becomes a problem | 01:50 |
| dannymk | that is why I left my last job after 18 years | 01:50 |
| dannymk | was tired of carrying the DBA | 01:50 |
| @preaction | another middle manager trying to cut corners by making you work three jobs? | 01:51 |
| dannymk | NO, we had a sysadmin which I had to train then we had an older guy that really did not understand Oracle working as an Oracle DBA | 01:52 |
| @preaction | much fun | 01:55 |
| @preaction | as they say, everyone gets promoted just to their level of incompetence | 01:55 |
| @preaction | i feel that some people are better at faking competence than others | 01:55 |
| dannymk | Peter principle all the way, but that is the motto of the federal govt. | 01:56 |
| dannymk | oops, did I say that :-) | 01:56 |
| @preaction | surprisingly we've got a few gov't clients, and they're very helpful when it comes to testing / exercising the code we write for them | 01:57 |
| dannymk | Ah, not every office is like that | 01:58 |
| @preaction | i mean, we've probably doubled the size of WebGUI with one of our projects, and there remain little-to-no bugs in their code since they're so thorough in tracking them down | 01:58 |
| dannymk | Good to know. | 01:59 |
| @preaction | but, it just means they've got competent people. that and their entire department lives and breathes their website | 01:59 |
| @preaction | which is another testament to the stability and usefulness of WebGUI ;) | 02:00 |
| dannymk | well, that may be a well designed office. Can't say the same for the place I worked. | 02:00 |
| dannymk | yup. | 02:00 |
| @preaction | it's almost as if the bigger an office gets, the more people rubbing shoulders and bumping elbows, the more BS gets floated around, the more market-speak team-building d'ya-have-a-second-to-help-this-guy-every-day-for-his-entire-career, and in a creative business like software development, the best people can't thrive | 02:02 |
| dannymk | ah, you have experience in this area :-) | 02:10 |
| dannymk | LOL. Well, I hope the new year brings us better circumstances. Take care and again, Happy New Year.... | 02:11 |
| dannymk | later... | 02:12 |
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| ascii | how ya like dstat | 03:59 |
| ascii | erp | 04:00 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5222 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 04:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Cover several other small utility routines. More getNotFound | 04:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: tests need to be written. | 04:48 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:47 |
| BartJol | hi | 15:50 |
| AMH_bob | HAPPY NEWYEAR!!!! | 15:52 |
| BartJol | dito | 15:52 |
| Radix__ | Yeah, a belated Happy New Year from me too guys :) | 15:53 |
| SDuensin | Blah. New Year means I had to go back to work. :-P | 16:12 |
| Radix__ | I'm off until monday | 16:26 |
| Radix__ | but I wish I was back at work | 16:27 |
| Radix__ | 40'C tomorrow, no aircon at home, and power shortages to boot | 16:27 |
| Radix__ | tempted to go in tomorrow and take monday off in lieu ;) | 16:29 |
| Radix__ | Oh no.. maybe not.. monday is forecast for 40'C too | 16:30 |
| BartJol | Australian whether isn't much fun, I understand | 16:30 |
| BartJol | wheather | 16:30 |
| Radix__ | Actually for most of the year it's great | 16:31 |
| Radix__ | just summer sucks | 16:31 |
| Radix__ | you get days where it's 40-45'C | 16:31 |
| Radix__ | last week we had a temp of 45.5'c | 16:31 |
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| Radix__ | highest on record for december since 1963 | 16:31 |
| Radix__ | jan/feb always sucks for temps | 16:32 |
| Radix__ | http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDW12300.txt | 16:32 |
| BartJol | here it's about 1 C | 16:32 |
| Radix__ | yah, well our temp doesn't really go that low generally.. or very rarely ;) | 16:32 |
| nuba | summer here in Rio sucks a bit too | 16:37 |
| nuba | too hot sometimes | 16:37 |
| nuba | thanks god for A/C | 16:38 |
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| @khenn | happy new year =) | 17:55 |
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| teflond0n | anyone here have any luck importing users into a database for webgui? | 18:23 |
| teflond0n | still havent had any luck with the userImport.pl | 18:23 |
| Radix__ | I had no problems at all with userImport.pl | 18:24 |
| Radix__ | What's happening exactly? are you getting errors? | 18:25 |
| teflond0n | its saying DateTime isnt defined.... for some reason the perl mods arent wanting to cooperate | 18:25 |
| teflond0n | is there another way to just have it import a csv file or something | 18:30 |
| @rizen | you need to set a TZ environment variable | 18:30 |
| @rizen | like TZ=America/Chicago | 18:31 |
| Radix__ | tzselect should help with that | 18:36 |
| Radix__ | or tzconfig | 18:36 |
| Radix__ | you're going to have other issues later on if you don't sort out the DateTime issue now anyway | 18:37 |
| nuba | spectre would fail for me with 'Cannot determine local time zone' | 18:38 |
| nuba | until I did a "cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo /etc/localtime" | 18:38 |
| nuba | do your /etc/localtime file exists? | 18:39 |
| Radix__ | actually /etc/localtime should be a symlink - and the correct way to configure it is to use tzselect or tzconfig | 18:50 |
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| nuba | makes sense | 18:53 |
| nuba | cp worked fine for me tho ;) | 18:54 |
| nuba | hey, freebsd's tzsetup prefers "cp" too, just tested and it makes a copy, not a symlink | 18:56 |
| Radix__ | it'll work.. just not as nice as a symlink ;) | 18:57 |
| Radix__ | ubuntu/debian/centos all create symlinks | 18:57 |
| nuba | maybe it's a "Junior" sindrome, these linux kids, always choosing to do different than their daddy (freebsd) ;D | 18:58 |
| Radix__ | pfft | 18:59 |
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| teflond0n | i do see the etc/localtime file | 19:24 |
| teflond0n | but I am running it on Mac osx | 19:25 |
| teflond0n | not sure if that will cause any issues with it | 19:25 |
| teflond0n | hey nuba since I live near the Atlanta, GA area would should it be /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York ? | 19:38 |
| Radix__ | if it's in the same timezone as you, then yeah, that'd work | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | ... and WebGUI slowly wakes up from its week-long slumber | 19:44 |
| nuba | 'morning, webgui! | 19:46 |
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| teflond0n | anyone know what the equivalent would be in osx for the tzconfig or tzsetup | 19:56 |
| perlDreamer | sorry, I don't use osx | 19:56 |
| @rizen | you shouldn't need it on osx | 19:59 |
| nuba | i think you can find that under "system preferences" | 20:00 |
| @rizen | osx sets it automatically when you edit your clock | 20:00 |
| @rizen | perhaps you're not using the right perl | 20:00 |
| @rizen | did you do | 20:00 |
| @rizen | . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:00 |
| @rizen | note the dot and the space that come before the command | 20:00 |
| teflond0n | i did the command from that directory so it was ./data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh | 20:02 |
| teflond0n | no spaces | 20:02 |
| teflond0n | would it be bad to comment that out in the userImport where it asks for the DateTime | 20:15 |
| teflond0n | er possible | 20:17 |
| teflond0n | rizen any more suggestions | 20:18 |
| @rizen | that's bad | 20:18 |
| @rizen | and you need the space | 20:18 |
| @rizen | it's absolutely important | 20:19 |
| @rizen | that's almost certainly where your problem is at this point | 20:19 |
| @rizen | and if it's not, i'd recommend you get plain black support | 20:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Making the YUI widgets look good is killing me. | 20:30 |
| @khenn | which ones? | 20:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'm not that great at layout/design. Is there a way to make regular html inputs look sexy, because the YUI widgets are too hard to manipulate given they are buried in like 3 objects when created with JS. | 20:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | khenn: Menu and buttons. | 20:30 |
| @khenn | the newest yui menu is all CSS based | 20:31 |
| @khenn | never played with the buttons | 20:31 |
| @khenn | but we've made some pretty cool looking drop down menus | 20:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | khenn: When selecting a question type in the menu, I dynamically generate options for that question type. The divs grows and shrinks and I have to do a bunch of crazy stuff to make them look like I want. | 20:32 |
| @khenn | hmm, I guess I'm not following. You lost me with "question type" | 20:33 |
| @rizen | he's working on the survey | 20:34 |
| @rizen | it's a new ajax style interface for the survey | 20:34 |
| @khenn | ah | 20:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | If they had a menu option that was multiple select, I'd just use that. | 20:34 |
| @rizen | pm2, i'm not a good one to ask. both khenn and preaction have played with yui a lot more than me | 20:34 |
| @rizen | i just use it for adding functionality to form controls | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | There button objects, while prettier than radio buttons, are still large and clunky. | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | s/there/their/ | 20:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | I could use css to make them pretty, but that isn't what I do :) | 20:35 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: I think maxscience/iPhoneGuy had a 3rd alias that was also mac related | 20:35 |
| @khenn | css is how to make stuff in yui pretty though | 20:36 |
| @khenn | so you will definitely find it difficult to do w/o it | 20:36 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 if you make it work and then give me some sort of documentation on one css classes and ids you've exposed | 20:37 |
| @rizen | i can have our designer come up with the pretty css for you | 20:37 |
| @rizen | or rather, i'll just introduce you to our designer when he comes back from vacation | 20:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: that would be great. | 20:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I guess that means I can stop futzing with the layout and just throw it on the page and worry about functionality. | 20:38 |
| @rizen | yup | 20:38 |
| @rizen | what's your email address, i'll send an introductory email to steve | 20:39 |
| teflond0n | can anyone let me know where the sql database is that contains the list of users ? | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | it called "users" | 20:49 |
| perlDreamer | and the groups one is called "groups" | 20:50 |
| ckotil | what about settings? | 20:50 |
| perlDreamer | hmmmm | 20:50 |
| perlDreamer | I think it's called settings | 20:50 |
| ckotil | i dont get it. | 20:50 |
| perlDreamer | and the one for assets is called asset | 20:50 |
| ckotil | who came up with that scheme? | 20:50 |
| perlDreamer | some guy named JT | 20:50 |
| ckotil | he's too smart. | 20:51 |
| @rizen | he's an idiot | 20:51 |
| @rizen | you give him too much credit | 20:51 |
| perlDreamer | what? you mean he didn't come up with that schema? | 20:51 |
| ckotil | coworker of mine installed the new wre on RH5. | 20:51 |
| ckotil | he said it the installation was a breeze. | 20:52 |
| ckotil | and it was really easy to setup 3 sites. | 20:52 |
| ckotil | he rarely touches webgui, but since i talk about it all the time he decided to try it out. | 20:52 |
| @rizen | nice | 20:52 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I set of the WRE on cent5.1 a few weeks ago and it was extremely nice. | 20:54 |
| @rizen | you guys have no idea how glad it makes me to hear that | 20:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | I wanted to throw out an idea and see what people thought. Since disk is becoming really cheap, but CPU/Ram is still expensive as far as hosting is concerned. What about a Wobject that would allow files to be remotely hosted, but WebGUI would treat them like local files? Maybe build in DAV support, or something like it? | 20:56 |
| @rizen | it means that the 400+ hours that I put into WRE 0.8 was worth it | 20:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Yeah, I would never use anything but the WRE for production now. | 20:56 |
| @rizen | pm2: re your idea, i'd need further description to understand what you'd want and why before i could make a judgement | 20:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Like the file pile but would store the files on a remote file server. | 20:57 |
| @rizen | why would that be good? | 20:59 |
| @rizen | that would actually increase the use of the CPU and memory because then all those files would have to be served through mod_perl so it could request them from the dav server | 20:59 |
| @rizen | that is unless the dav server also had a straight http url for the file and you were willing to expose that url directly to your users | 21:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I was actually thinking that WebGUI would do a one time authen for the users ip, and the remote file server would directly serve to them that once. | 21:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | This may be a solution that doesn't really fit any given problem though. | 21:01 |
| @rizen | hrmm.. i guess off the top of my head i can't see anyone actually using that so it's not something i'd allow in the core | 21:01 |
| @rizen | i do want to go the other way around however | 21:01 |
| @rizen | i want to create a dav interface into webgui | 21:02 |
| nuba | i've been toying about the idea of sending static content somewhere else, too | 21:02 |
| @rizen | so you can use webgui as a file store | 21:02 |
| nuba | keeping only the webgui brains running in my dedicated box, | 21:02 |
| nuba | and push uploads etc to a cheap hosting elsewhere | 21:02 |
| @rizen | nuba, you can already do that | 21:02 |
| nuba | you can do that with modproxy and rewrites, yeah | 21:02 |
| @rizen | you can just push all the static uploads to a file server using a remote mount | 21:02 |
| nuba | but how about sync etc? | 21:02 |
| nuba | suppose there's no remote mounting | 21:03 |
| @rizen | and then change your uploads folder to point to http://files.example.com/uploads/ | 21:03 |
| nuba | you won't see that in the feature list of these mega-cheap hosting plans | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | you also won't see WebGUI there, nuba | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | unfortunately | 21:03 |
| @rizen | you can use ftp as a remote mount | 21:03 |
| nuba | yeah, thats why i dont even think about pushing webgui there | 21:03 |
| nuba | just the uploads etc | 21:03 |
| @rizen | you can also use FUSE scpfs | 21:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | those mega cheap hosters allow ftp | 21:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | I've found that those mega cheap hosters are also extremely slow. They brag about 1 million TB connections to the net, but the reality is like 128kb | 21:04 |
| nuba | yeah, then theres the latency between uploading the file to the webgui host and it being pushed to the cheapass server | 21:04 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: tonight could you please turn on the -v switch to testCodebase so I can diagnose the failing DeleteExpiringWorkflows test? | 21:06 |
| perlDreamer | actually, doesn't have to be tonight. Any night would be good. | 21:06 |
| nuba | to be honest, i didnt stop to think thoroughly about this yet, of coupling webgui dox + cheapass server | 21:10 |
| nuba | for now a single dedicated box is good enough for me | 21:11 |
| nuba | a seducing "next step" lately has been checking the amazon's EC2 thing | 21:12 |
| perlDreamer | I looked at that as a smoke testing platform | 21:13 |
| perlDreamer | Seemed expensive for a volunteer budget | 21:13 |
| nuba | instead of ugly hacking and glueing of scattered hosting services here and there | 21:13 |
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| nuba | rizen: wont PB.com be interested in funding the smoke test box? | 21:16 |
| perlDreamer | they run a smoke test now | 21:18 |
| perlDreamer | but I was thinking bigger. Multiple OS'es, multiple WRE's | 21:18 |
| nuba | i see. like a testing farm. | 21:18 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 21:18 |
| perlDreamer | it's been really hard to get other people into testing wG | 21:18 |
| nuba | what are the requirements if one wants to help? | 21:21 |
| perlDreamer | there are two main testing needs | 21:22 |
| perlDreamer | 1) We need lots more tests to be written | 21:22 |
| perlDreamer | and that can be done piecemeal | 21:23 |
| perlDreamer | 2) I think we need a testing aggregator to take smoke reports from lots of users and coallate them | 21:23 |
| perlDreamer | but we don't have the lots of users part yet so it's a lower priority | 21:23 |
| @rizen | pd: just turned on the -v flag, please let me know when we can turn it off again | 21:24 |
| perlDreamer | okay. Tomorrow should be good to turn off. It will just make a BIG smoke report tonight | 21:24 |
| perlDreamer | hm. Maybe I should add in diagnostics so we can truly do it in one shot... | 21:24 |
| perlDreamer | I think a test may be leaking Session information, which is why the test DeleteExpiredSession test is failing | 21:25 |
| @rizen | pd, i have a spare box running vmware that i use for compiling and testing the wre on multiple platforms (everything except mac and windows) | 21:25 |
| @rizen | however, the problem with using that is when it comes time to build a new WRE, i'll have to resetup all the tests again | 21:26 |
| @rizen | that's more work for me | 21:26 |
| perlDreamer | right | 21:26 |
| @rizen | and i'm already a big bottlekneck | 21:26 |
| perlDreamer | it would be good if it was scriptable | 21:26 |
| perlDreamer | the host would instanciate the virtual sessions, run a test on them, submit the smoke report for each | 21:27 |
| perlDreamer | but I don't know if that is possible on VMware or not | 21:27 |
| perlDreamer | besides, it would be good to get more people in the community involved if possible | 21:27 |
| nuba | vmware has a perl api | 21:27 |
| nuba | so you could switch machines on, off, etc with a script if you want | 21:28 |
| @rizen | all the vmware hosts are up all the time | 21:28 |
| @rizen | so we don't need to turn them on or off | 21:28 |
| @rizen | it's a beefy box | 21:28 |
| @rizen | dual proc xeon with 4gigs of ram | 21:28 |
| @rizen | so it can actually run about 6 os'es at the same time reliably | 21:28 |
| nuba | nice | 21:29 |
| @rizen | pd, i could give you access to the box if you would like to set it up as a test system for multiple platforms | 21:29 |
| nuba | sounds like you're proud of you muscle car^H^H^Hserver ;) | 21:29 |
| perlDreamer | sounds like I need start researching aggregators then :) | 21:30 |
| nuba | webgui@home | 21:30 |
| perlDreamer | smolder | 21:30 |
| @rizen | we could have them all post to the smoke tests forum | 21:30 |
| perlDreamer | yes, but aggregators can also generate reports with the data, like "This test started failing on this platform at that SVN rev" | 21:31 |
| perlDreamer | but while the research gets done, it wouldn't hurt to post them | 21:31 |
| @rizen | ah | 21:32 |
| @rizen | that's very cool | 21:32 |
| @rizen | i didn't know such a thing was even possible | 21:32 |
| @rizen | you rock pd | 21:32 |
| @rizen | btw, hop on IM and i'll give you the login info for that box | 21:33 |
| nuba | rizem, why is it a good idea for spectre to handle tasks to a mod_perl enabled httpd instead of launching a WebGUI::Session-enabled, lean, script? | 21:38 |
| nuba | rizen* | 21:38 |
| @rizen | for lots of reasons | 21:39 |
| @rizen | 1) spectre is single threaded | 21:39 |
| @rizen | so if something crashes | 21:39 |
| @rizen | it would crash spectre | 21:39 |
| @rizen | by keeping spectre small and clean, less chance of crash | 21:39 |
| @rizen | 2) the mod_perl processes are already running so why not use them instead of loading all that code into ram yet again | 21:40 |
| @rizen | 3) you can load balance workflows by adding more webgui nodes | 21:40 |
| @rizen | and thusly the workflow engine can grow with your web site | 21:40 |
| @rizen | is that good enough? | 21:40 |
| nuba | you could work around 1 with 'perl spectre_worker_instance.pl "do stuff"' with return code | 21:40 |
| @rizen | i could, and i did in the early versions of it | 21:41 |
| @rizen | but 2 and 3 made me realize that was dumb | 21:41 |
| nuba | ok, thanks for the reply | 21:42 |
| nuba | another thing: i was editing some branches having many posts (about 3k total), and when clicking on 'save' the mod_proxy httpd would timeout while waiting for the mod_perl httpd's reply to the post. I didnt check the code but I risk guessing a branch edit means finding every descendant asset and creating a revision, creating the workflow instances, etc, all in a single request, is that right? | 21:48 |
| @preaction | yeah | 21:50 |
| nuba | and then, these timeouts became such a pita, and the toones of workflows became such a pita, that i deleted the entire site, and migrated again from scratch, this time adjusting all I wanted while creating the asset, to avoid "branch edits" | 21:53 |
| nuba | but basically, the idea is that "branch edit" dont seem to be scaling the way it works now | 21:57 |
| @rizen | they don't scale well right now | 21:58 |
| @rizen | it's on my todo list to fix eventualy | 21:58 |
| @rizen | they work fine if you have less than 100 children | 21:58 |
| @rizen | but if you have more than 1000 children they are a concern | 21:58 |
| nuba | k | 22:00 |
| nuba | i wonder if slicing the work with a recursive approach would be better, doing stuff like 1) edit me, 2) queue the task of editing for my children. | 22:02 |
| @rizen | it needs to be fixed in one of two ways | 22:03 |
| nuba | just my $0.02 | 22:03 |
| @rizen | either generate a workflow that will make all the edits to children | 22:03 |
| @rizen | or change the screen to stream informtation back to the browser | 22:03 |
| @rizen | as it makes changes | 22:03 |
| @rizen | so that it doesn't time out | 22:03 |
| @rizen | and the user gets immediate feedback | 22:04 |
| nuba | yup | 22:04 |
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| nuba | i had more questions but can wait 'till hes not afkb anymore ;) | 22:23 |
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| nuba | spanishinquisiti: nobody expected you here | 22:24 |
| nuba | NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! | 22:25 |
| spanishinquisiti | si` | 22:25 |
| nuba | well i'll paste the questions here, so rizen can asnwer later if he wants, or not at all.. | 22:26 |
| nuba | 1) is WebGU::Session memory-hungry or its just me? While importing the 3k posts (photo gallery, each post w/ at least one pic), i had to do it in chunks (of about a hundred posts each), otherwise the import script would grow to eat all available memory and then die. | 22:29 |
| nuba | thats all for now :) | 22:34 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Session is huge, yes. but it has everything inside of it | 22:41 |
| @preaction | there are things though, that might be able to be taken out when developing/running utility scripts, such as the query log, if it's possible | 22:41 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: have you ever tinkered with Test::Builder? | 22:56 |
| @preaction | not as such, no | 22:56 |
| perlDreamer | I've been trying to fix the problem with TODO tests with wg::Test::Maker::* and haven't had any luck | 22:56 |
| @preaction | do we assume that anyone running SVN HEAD does a resetdev after every svn update? (or at least, if things break spectacularly)? | 23:02 |
| perlDreamer | if things break spectacularly, resetdev is the first thing I do | 23:02 |
| @preaction | or should we start instituting a plan to make running HEAD more managable, if/when the new upgrade system is implemented | 23:02 |
| @preaction | oh, dur, new upgrade system negates the need for it | 23:03 |
| perlDreamer | what's the new upgrade system? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | when it gets implemented: it's basically a way for each commit to SVN to be a "release" | 23:04 |
| @preaction | releases are based on patches, which may or may not have associated collateral / executables | 23:04 |
| @preaction | of course, there's a -stable and -unstable branch, etc... full-featured, etc... | 23:05 |
| perlDreamer | rizenisafk: amazon is getting into the self-publishing biz. I don't know how their rates compare to Lulu | 23:11 |
| perlDreamer | That should help locate the extra session leaker. | 23:17 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5223 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: add more diagnostics to help find the leaking session. These will be removed or hidden behind conditionals later | 23:18 |
| @preaction | it's possible to test the operation of a utility script, correct? | 23:34 |
| @preaction | i suppose the better question is should I? if it's being added to core | 23:34 |
| perlDreamer | I would, but I'm prejudiced that way | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | I think new "Perl" way to do script testing is to wrap the guts in a module | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | and both the script and test exercise the guts | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | kind of MVC for scripts | 23:38 |
| @preaction | it's for migrating different types of content into a Gallery, i don't like the idea of putting "addAlbumFromCollaborationThread" in the Gallery, though the idea does have merit | 23:44 |
| @preaction | it's just the modular way seems messy and the monolithic way seems messy | 23:44 |
| perlDreamer | or make a Gallery::Utility module? | 23:44 |
| @preaction | ah, true | 23:44 |
| @preaction | that sounds good, i'll do that | 23:45 |
| @preaction | then i can also add the addAlbumFromFilesystem and i think there was another script that they wanted | 23:45 |
| perlDreamer | cool! | 23:47 |
| perlDreamer | you're right about the messiness. | 23:49 |
| perlDreamer | Either it's all monolithic and you have to drive it with system calls | 23:50 |
| perlDreamer | or you pull it into two pieces | 23:50 |
| perlDreamer | which both need documentation, etc | 23:50 |
| @preaction | it'll be good writing the Gallery::Utility framework though, and provide a way for people to make their own migration things | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | So hopefully by tomorrow I'll have the failing DeleteExpiredSessions test diagnosed | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | and that will just leave us with the TODO'ed and SKIP'ed Gallery* tests | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | the eternally failing i18n label tests | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | and the help.t test which is failing on empty Gallery* keys | 00:07 |
| @preaction | the failing i18n/help tests are false keys | 00:07 |
| @preaction | yeah | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i'll be working on all that for the next week or two, so no need to worry about those | 00:08 |
| perlDreamer | some of the i18n are false keys, the rest are from WebGUI::Setup and nested scope with i18n calls | 00:08 |
| @preaction | (admittedly, in addition to new dev) | 00:08 |
| @preaction | but there is one i'm still wondering about: one test in the gallery still fails | 00:08 |
| @preaction | Test::Deep says "expected 6, recieved 6" | 00:08 |
| @preaction | so afaik it should pass | 00:08 |
| perlDreamer | Well, yes and no. | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | That's actually a false warning | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | I worked on that a little yesterday | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | Check the commit log and that test for more info | 00:09 |
| @preaction | k | 00:09 |
| perlDreamer | The "real" problem is that asset sizes are wrong between the two methods of fetching the file_loop | 00:09 |
| @preaction | oh, ew | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, one says 311 bytes, the other says 313 | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | only two bytes different | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | very strange | 00:10 |
| @preaction | so we leave it for now? | 00:10 |
| @preaction | i mean, hiding it behind TODO or SKIP seems wron | 00:10 |
| @preaction | g | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | I TODO'ed it for now, so that when it gets fixed it will "Unexpectedly pass" | 00:11 |
| @preaction | sounds good | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | vayde: can you take this guy? http://www.zedshaw.com/rants/rails_is_a_ghetto.html | 00:25 |
| vayde | sure. want me to rip his lungs out? | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | Nah. He's only ranting at ruby people. | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | besides, if you break his toes one by one it's better | 00:26 |
| vayde | dunno if I have the patience for that. I tend to prefer one good hard cross to the throat | 00:27 |
| @preaction | this post, from the first few paragraphs, sounds like pure win | 00:27 |
| vayde | though as I glance down this page, I feel the urge to do a similar page for the morons who originally wrote the code I'm hacking these days | 00:28 |
| vayde | doStuff(\%$ref); | 00:28 |
| vayde | long time no chat preaction, how's things? | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | That might actually be useful, as I think it creates a "safe" ref back to $ref that doesn't allow stomping on it. | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | but it could be written more clearly | 00:29 |
| @preaction | doStuff sounds like fun | 00:29 |
| @preaction | things going about as normal, much new ideas but no time to implement them | 00:29 |
| vayde | yeah, it *could* be useful like that perlDreamer, but they thought they had the original $ref to wrik with | 00:29 |
| vayde | sweet. Just before christmas I finished rewriting this one site's code a 3rd time cos the morons supporting it don't think that changing a site I'm migrating will affect the schedule | 00:30 |
| vayde | even the project managers are starting to talk about buying me a ticket to go 'talk' to the bozos | 00:31 |
| nuba | heh | 00:32 |
| @preaction | lol | 00:32 |
| nuba | >Their ideas were horrendously lame. I swear if someone says they.re starting a social network I.m gonna beat them with the heel of my shoe. | 00:33 |
| nuba | poor guy | 00:33 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: graham * r5224 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm): fix: Assets with no committed versions may be left as orphans when parent is purged | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: You beastie. Hack on! | 00:33 |
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| vayde | jeez this guy's got a head of steam going. where did you find this? | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | slashdot | 00:39 |
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| vayde | hmm, musta missed it this morning. Bank woulda filtered it out anyway | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | it just popped up within the last hour or so | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | you woulda seen it tomorrow | 00:40 |
| @preaction | the argument on ThoughtWorks and the Consulting thing is spot-on | 00:42 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: graham * r5225 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Merged revisions 5224 via svnmerge from | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/WebGUI_7.4 | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: r5224 | graham | 2008-01-02 16:18:53 -0600 (Wed, 02 Jan 2008) | 1 line | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: fix: Assets with no committed versions may be left as orphans when parent is purged | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: ........ | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5226 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 5 dirs): | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: Add fine-grained export controls. You can now specify whether you want specific | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: assets to be exportable. If any of an asset's parents aren't exportable, that | 00:48 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: asset also won't be exportable. | 00:48 |
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| perlDreamer | apeiron: with a default of 0, won't that disable exporting for the whole site when the user upgrades? | 00:51 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, hm. | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | or am I reading the sense of the bit backwards? | 00:52 |
| @apeiron | No, you've got it right. | 00:52 |
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| @apeiron | perlDreamer, But on the other hand, if it defaults to 1, those who *don't* want to export the entire site when they upgrade have to change a lot of assets. | 00:55 |
| perlDreamer | Exactly, but currently wG allows exporting the entire site. At the very least I think it would need something in the gotchas.txt file for the release. | 00:56 |
| perlDreamer | and, they'd only need to change the website root (defaultAsset), since it checks all parents | 00:56 |
| perlDreamer | so, if the default is 1, then you set any "node" to 0 to disable all of its children from exporting | 00:57 |
| @apeiron | Good point, sir. | 00:57 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm with colin: every upgrade must maintain the status quo. if they want change, they can do the work | 01:01 |
| @preaction | is there an edit branch entry for the exportable property? | 01:01 |
| @apeiron | Not yet anyway. | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: I'm in violent agreement with you preaction, with the caveat "maintain the status quo whenever possible". | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | In any case, I think this is a cool feature to add to wG | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | Violent agreement? | 01:04 |
| @apeiron | You're taking up arms? :) | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | You ever watch an arguement where two people totally agree with one another but disagree on semantics? | 01:05 |
| perlDreamer | "violent agreement" | 01:05 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5227 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl): Maintain status quo and keep the default of exporting all assets. | 01:18 |
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| @rizen | nuba: WebGUI::Session is not memory hungry that I know of. Are you sure it wasn't just your script? Could you provide me with your script so I could use it as a test case? | 02:23 |
| @rizen | preaction: yes we assume that svn update means reset dev in a lot of cases | 02:24 |
| @rizen | perldreamer, do you have a link to the amazon self publish? | 02:25 |
| perlDreamer | re amazon: AP article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080102/ap_on_hi_te/business_of_life;_ylt=AhD5AwPjqeEzMAkaVBdrWqMDW7oF | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | amazon in particular: createspace.com | 02:28 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5228 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: reorder upgrade steps so that addIsExportable happens before we try to update the templates | 02:33 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5229 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: update plan and invert test for new default for isExportable | 02:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:56 |
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| BartJo1 | yeah, just made my first sql report with template and it works! | 17:57 |
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| perlDreamer | Now, that's what I call a test log! | 19:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | Setting visibility to hidden in a div should make all the children of that dom be inivisible. That is unless you are using YUI which will laugh at your css and make you cry. | 19:27 |
| nuba | heh | 19:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | Even doing this after all the YUI objects have been created does nothing: var temp = document.getElementById("editanswer"); | 19:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | 146 temp.setattribute("visibility","hidden"); | 19:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | I need a stick to beat YUI with. | 19:29 |
| * nuba handles perlmonkey2 a large trout | 19:30 | |
| * perlmonkey2 wraps it in tinfoil and butter and places it over a camp fire. | 19:31 | |
| nuba | very good, indeed its better to tell horror stories at night about YUI than resorting to violence :) | 19:32 |
| nuba | YUI the CSS eater | 19:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | heh | 19:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | I can't be too mad at it, I have some groovy drag and drop boxes with some totally cool menus that change dynammically depending on what you click. Looks slick. | 19:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | My JS-foo was rusty. setattribute is not synonymous with .style. | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: ping | 19:50 |
| @rizen | pong | 19:50 |
| perlDreamer | does each child apache process end up with a session? | 19:51 |
| @rizen | no | 19:51 |
| @rizen | each page request ends up with a session | 19:51 |
| @rizen | and the session is destroyed at the end of the request | 19:51 |
| perlDreamer | how 'bout each spectre runner? | 19:51 |
| @rizen | when i say destroyed i mean closed by the way, not deleted | 19:51 |
| perlDreamer | right | 19:52 |
| @rizen | spectre does the same thing because as far as webgui is concerned it's just another web browser | 19:52 |
| @rizen | and spectre keeps track of the session id cookie just like a browser, so it reuses the cookie for subsequent requests | 19:52 |
| @rizen | must get lunch now, be back in 10 min | 19:53 |
| perlDreamer | it's okay, you can have 30 | 19:53 |
| @rizen | back | 20:00 |
| @rizen | i can eat lunch whilst answering your questions | 20:00 |
| @rizen | mmmmmm. leftover meatloaf sandwiches | 20:01 |
| perlDreamer | Well, instead of digging, let me tell you what I see from the big test log of 2008 | 20:11 |
| perlDreamer | The tests start with 3 pre-existing sessions. | 20:11 |
| perlDreamer | Sessions also seem to be added and deleted, regardless of whether or not the test creates and cleans them up | 20:12 |
| perlDreamer | so I was trying to figure out where they might come from | 20:12 |
| perlDreamer | here's the summary of the session info: | 20:13 |
| perlDreamer | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m61f41342 | 20:13 |
| perlDreamer | so that's the mystery | 20:13 |
| perlDreamer | the good news is that it has little, if anything to do with the DeleteExpiredSessions test failing | 20:13 |
| @rizen | is that session objects or session ids? | 20:14 |
| perlDreamer | session ids | 20:14 |
| perlDreamer | select sessionId from userSession | 20:14 |
| @rizen | all the tests get the session from WebGUI::Test->getSession though don't they? | 20:14 |
| perlDreamer | yes and no | 20:14 |
| @rizen | so if there's a problem wouldn't it be there? | 20:15 |
| perlDreamer | they all get their main session from getSession | 20:15 |
| perlDreamer | but some of them create auxiliary sessions for testing using Session->opn | 20:15 |
| perlDreamer | open | 20:15 |
| * perlDreamer digs a little | 20:16 | |
| @rizen | there shouldn't be many of those though, so it should be easy to locate and clean up problematic ones, right? | 20:16 |
| perlDreamer | yes, but the first test run does not create 3 additional sessions | 20:16 |
| perlDreamer | they were there before | 20:17 |
| perlDreamer | the test started | 20:17 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5230 /tools/makerelease.pl: added verbose option and turned on <pre> blocks in message board formatting | 20:18 |
| perlDreamer | to me it looks like something else aside from the test is using the database | 20:18 |
| @rizen | well the build script uses the database | 20:20 |
| @rizen | to construct the create.sql | 20:20 |
| @rizen | the tests actually run as part of the nightly build process | 20:21 |
| @rizen | which has to generate a create.sql script | 20:21 |
| @rizen | that means it also runs the upgrade script | 20:22 |
| @rizen | it does that before the test process starts running | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | that would explain it | 20:32 |
| perlDreamer | I did find a test that is leaking sessions | 20:32 |
| perlDreamer | Session/Scratch.t | 20:32 |
| nuba | rizen: do we stick with the Locator name for the map asset? | 20:44 |
| nuba | maybe Map instead? | 20:44 |
| @rizen | don't care | 20:45 |
| nuba | k | 20:45 |
| nuba | just so you know, im back working on it since yesterday | 20:45 |
| @rizen | nice | 20:46 |
| nuba | ive cleaned up my notes, and now I happen to know webgui's api better, so im rebooting the project and reusing some of the stuff i wrote hastly in aug/07 | 20:47 |
| nuba | what do you recommend, check out the head or work on 7.4.19-stable? | 20:47 |
| perlDreamer | usually, all new dev is supposed to happen on HEAD | 20:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5231 /WebGUI/t/ (Session/Scratch.t Workflow/Activity/DeleteExpiredSessions.t): | 20:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Clean up all temporary session info in Session/Scratch.t | 20:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a preliminary run of DeleteExpiredSessions to DeleteExpiredSessions.t | 20:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: to clean up any old, funky sessions which might just be lying around | 20:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: and interfering with the test. | 20:48 |
| @rizen | check out head | 20:48 |
| @rizen | feel free to branch head for your own work if need be like preaction did for the calendar | 20:49 |
| @rizen | that way you can continuously commit | 20:49 |
| @rizen | and not lose any work if your computer dies | 20:49 |
| @rizen | then you can merge back to head when you're done | 20:49 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: please pull the -v switch from the nightly smoke test run. That test should pass now. | 21:13 |
| @rizen | ok | 21:31 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5232 /tools/makerelease.pl: don't need the -v anymore | 21:33 |
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| nuba | checking out HEAD to my SVK mirror.. | 22:54 |
| nuba | will branch from there | 22:54 |
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| nuba | actually, head, body, limbs, etc. | 23:16 |
| perlDreamer | nuba: was it hard to plug WebGUI's SVN into SVK? | 23:18 |
| perlDreamer | I've wanted to try for years, but haven't spent the time to actually do it | 23:18 |
| nuba | just followed http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/subversion | 23:18 |
| perlDreamer | and then import that into your SVK repo? | 23:19 |
| perlDreamer | nm, I see there's a new section in there | 23:19 |
| nuba | yeah, the only thing missing there is "svk depotmap --init" | 23:20 |
| nuba | it me took about 30 mins to go from rev 1 to rev 5232 | 23:23 |
| nuba | it was like history flashing before my eyes! :D | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | it imported the whole thing? That would be huge! | 23:30 |
| nuba | 157M .svk/ | 23:31 |
| nuba | not as mammothy as i expected, too | 23:32 |
| perlDreamer | I kinda wish we also had imported the CVS history into there, too. | 23:33 |
| nuba | is that still available somewhere? | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | maybe. if it's anywhere, it would be on sourceforge | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | project name pbwebgui | 23:47 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5233 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Post.t: | 23:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: AssetTrash bugfix exposes bad test code. There's no need to | 23:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: purge when you can roll back a commit container asset like the CS. | 23:48 |
| nuba | its still there http://pbwebgui.cvs.sourceforge.net/pbwebgui/ | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | cool | 23:53 |
| nuba | goes as far as beta 3.7.0 | 23:53 |
| perlDreamer | researching the history in SVN is a little tricky because there was a repo reorg last year | 23:53 |
| nuba | yep | 23:54 |
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| nuba | hey, how do you guys go about running HEAD? manually check upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl for changes every update? | 00:24 |
| nuba | i just got a fatal cause column isExportable didnt exist yet.. | 00:25 |
| perlDreamer | what rev did you pull? | 00:26 |
| nuba | is this a mistake (whoever added it to upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl forgot to add it to create.sql) ? | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not a mistake, since create.sql is for VERSION-1 | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | you install create.sql and then run the updater | 00:27 |
| nuba | 5234 | 00:27 |
| perlDreamer | that's also what I'm running, and it installs fine | 00:27 |
| perlDreamer | can you paste your resetdev script output please? | 00:28 |
| nuba | ok. now, what about keeping it in sync? | 00:28 |
| nuba | its manual tracking of upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl, isnt it? | 00:28 |
| nuba | i mean, the way to go | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | you mean between your branch and HEAD? | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | yes, manually | 00:29 |
| nuba | ok, thx | 00:29 |
| nuba | i've no resetdev below /data/ | 00:31 |
| nuba | is that edible? | 00:32 |
| nuba | :) | 00:32 |
| perlDreamer | it's a script that everyone has made. | 00:32 |
| perlDreamer | there should be one in the core | 00:32 |
| nuba | this is on wre 0.7. | 00:33 |
| nuba | is it a wre script? | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | I don't use the wre, so I'm not sure | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | see this: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 00:33 |
| nuba | thanks | 00:38 |
| nuba | i'll modify this to fit my setup | 00:39 |
| nuba | so this is THE resetdev? | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | no, it's just mine | 00:40 |
| perlDreamer | for THE resetdev, I'd ask a Plain Black staffer | 00:41 |
| nuba | looks like something useful to have at https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 00:41 |
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| nuba | perlDreamer: you may want to look into upgrade.pl's --skipBackup --skipDelete --skipMaintenance for line 18 of http://webgui.pastebin.com/m681280b | 01:14 |
| nuba | to make it faster | 01:15 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, nuba! | 01:16 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: does the WRE have a builtin resetdev script? | 01:17 |
| @preaction | not that i'm aware of | 01:17 |
| @preaction | there's a better solution that graham was working on that didn't require so many passwords, but dunno how far he gots | 01:17 |
| @preaction | i made some of my own improvements to resetdev, but it's still a hack | 01:17 |
| perlDreamer | care to share? | 01:18 |
| @preaction | one sec | 01:18 |
| perlDreamer | just don't paste it directly channel. It makes Doug mad. | 01:18 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m96d02d1 | 01:21 |
| nuba | good, incorporating lines 16-20 into my hacked version of pD's resetdev lookalike | 01:24 |
| perlDreamer | nuba: you only need to do that if you want to go through the initial site setup | 01:24 |
| perlDreamer | if I understand what's going on correctly | 01:25 |
| nuba | yeah, i got it | 01:25 |
| @preaction | 16 is the site setup, 17 is show debug more, 18-20 is start with auto-commit and real-time workflows | 01:25 |
| perlDreamer | I have an idea | 01:26 |
| perlDreamer | Why don't we make one that is universal, in two flavors | 01:26 |
| perlDreamer | WRE and non-WRE? | 01:26 |
| perlDreamer | and then check them into the /tools area in SVN? | 01:26 |
| @preaction | there's a tools area? | 01:27 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah | 01:27 |
| perlDreamer | It's at the top-level | 01:27 |
| nuba | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/plainblack/browse/tools/ | 01:27 |
| nuba | or maybe, if you're going to try doing it WRE/non-WRE neutral, at WebGUI/sbin | 01:28 |
| @preaction | it should be possible to do one resetdev for both WRE and non-WRE, with some decent sanity checks | 01:30 |
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| perlDreamer | hail, rizen | 01:32 |
| @rizen | only here for 32 seconds | 01:33 |
| @rizen | don't hail me =( | 01:33 |
| perlDreamer | ah | 01:33 |
| perlDreamer | not hailed like a taxi-cab, hail like greeted with honor and respect | 01:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | If anyone cares the survey system is coming along nicely. Tomorrow I'll put something public up for those who care to see how it is going. | 01:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | It isn't tied to WebGUI yet, just javascript scalfolding for creating surveys. | 01:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | g'night. | 01:52 |
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| @preaction | should've gotten him his own branch | 01:59 |
| perlDreamer | yeah | 02:00 |
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| dionak | perlDreamer, are you awake? | 02:12 |
| perlDreamer | I'm here | 02:17 |
| perlDreamer | well, kinda here anyway | 02:22 |
| perlDreamer | dionak: I'll be bouncing back and forth between two cubes, but I'm around. | 02:22 |
| dionak | perlDreamer: Hm. Sounds like you're busy. You had asked the other day if I have read Perl Best Practices and I just wanted to answer. It is on my list but has not been completely read yet. | 02:23 |
| perlDreamer | yes, I remember that. I had a question about stringy eval, but it's since been answered by JT checking in WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:31 |
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| dionak | interesting... | 02:41 |
| @rizen | what is? | 02:41 |
| dionak | WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:41 |
| @rizen | oh, i'm quite proud of how it turned out | 02:43 |
| dionak | I can see why. :) I didn't realize you were planning a plugin system. How are you envisioning this to be used? | 02:44 |
| dionak | it looks like you've been doing quite a bit of work. | 02:45 |
| @rizen | most of the work i'm doing these days hasn't shown up in svn yet | 02:45 |
| @rizen | only little things | 02:45 |
| @rizen | but if you look at the pluggable urls, content handlers, or auth system (WebGUI::Operation::Auth) you'll see how it's used | 02:46 |
| dionak | looking.. | 02:46 |
| @rizen | tonight i'll convert macros and some other plugin points to use it as well | 02:46 |
| dionak | thats really cool, JT | 02:46 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is meant to be used at all plugin points to provide a speedy, easy, and secure way of loading plugins | 02:47 |
| dionak | so we could create our own plugin for a new auth method, for instance... | 02:47 |
| @rizen | you always could, it's just that now there's a standard way that all plugins are loaded, rather than having each plugin system write it's own mechanism for loading them | 02:47 |
| @rizen | WebGUI::Pluggable is really meant to be used by core developers that create plugin entry points | 02:48 |
| @rizen | not so much for people who write plugins | 02:48 |
| dionak | ah, ok. | 02:48 |
| @rizen | so if at some point you decided "JT, I think that session sub-objects should be pluggable?" | 02:49 |
| @rizen | i'd say, great, let's use WebGUI::Pluggable to make that happen | 02:49 |
| dionak | gotcha | 02:50 |
| @rizen | have you seen the pluggable URL and content handlers | 02:56 |
| @rizen | i would think that those would probably be quite useful to Knowmad | 02:56 |
| dionak | i'm trying to envision how to use that | 02:57 |
| perlDreamer | you could use it to call PHP | 02:58 |
| dionak | so we could setup urls that handle content in a certain way? | 02:58 |
| @rizen | well for URL handlers | 02:58 |
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| @rizen | you can write a custom application at a specific URL that is not an asset | 02:59 |
| @rizen | therefore it doesn't load the asset system on those requests | 02:59 |
| @rizen | and thusly is much faster | 02:59 |
| @rizen | and less resource intensive | 02:59 |
| dionak | nice... | 02:59 |
| dionak | so we could use that for integrating software | 02:59 |
| dionak | which we do a lot | 02:59 |
| @rizen | also, some people don't want to write assets because they are too complicated, or you never want more than one instance of it on a site | 02:59 |
| @rizen | absolutely | 02:59 |
| @rizen | that's a great example | 02:59 |
| @rizen | you still have all of webgui's resources available, but you choose how to use them | 03:00 |
| @rizen | rather than being confined to the asset architecture | 03:00 |
| @rizen | for reusable content objects, asssets are great | 03:00 |
| dionak | wow, that's really very useful. | 03:00 |
| @rizen | but for integration, assets are rarely great | 03:00 |
| @rizen | and for content handlers...have you ever wished you could have your own pluggable operations? | 03:00 |
| dionak | yea, | 03:01 |
| @rizen | well with content handlers you could make your own operations system that would do whatever you wanted it to do | 03:01 |
| @rizen | instead of op= you could have knowmad= | 03:02 |
| @rizen | as in /page?knowmad=dothis | 03:02 |
| @rizen | all the existing ops will still work | 03:02 |
| @rizen | but now you can add your own things | 03:02 |
| @rizen | and since it's not using the op= interface | 03:02 |
| @rizen | you don't have to worry about conflicting with future changes in webgui | 03:02 |
| @rizen | because knowmad= is your own namespace | 03:02 |
| dionak | so if i wanted to use another piece of software for say, forums or blogging or whatnot, I could just hook it in? That will certainly open up the possibilities for selling the CMS. | 03:03 |
| @rizen | oh yeah | 03:03 |
| dionak | Yea, that will work well. I'm looking forward to trying that | 03:03 |
| @rizen | ever since i built the asset system into webgui it has become more of a cms and less of a framework | 03:03 |
| @rizen | it's moving away from it's framework roots | 03:03 |
| @rizen | so i decided it needs to get back tot he basics | 03:03 |
| @rizen | which is why i introduced pluggable url and content handlers | 03:04 |
| @rizen | if you're interested, there's an article in the black blog that explains it a little | 03:04 |
| dionak | cool, i'll share it with the group and check out the blog. Btw, I just noticed how few articles are on Sitepoint.com for perl. Looks like a good writing opportunity. | 03:05 |
| @rizen | never even heard of that site | 03:06 |
| @rizen | but if it's low on perl articles, you're right | 03:06 |
| @rizen | a great opportunity | 03:06 |
| dionak | it's a top site on the web | 03:07 |
| dionak | check it out. i have to grab some dinner. thanks for the info! | 03:07 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5234 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm: switched macro system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5235 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation.pm: converted WebGUI::Operation to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 03:33 |
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| nuba | 'night folks | 05:15 |
| @rizen | howdy | 05:15 |
| nuba | off to bed! | 05:15 |
| @rizen | bye | 05:16 |
| @preaction | although i get annoyed by it, i am liking how the writing of tests are revealing bugs in almost completely unrelated areas | 07:15 |
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| @preaction | latest bug: I seem to get intermittent "Cannot call purgeRevision on an undefined value" when rolling back a version tag containing Threads, but rolling back by going into the site itself works just fine | 07:16 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5236 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 6 dirs): Added migration utility for Gallery | 08:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5237 /branch/doug-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 15:38 |
| BartJol | good morning to you | 15:55 |
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| wgGuest40 | hello | 17:05 |
| wgGuest40 | i have a question | 17:05 |
| wgGuest40 | a macro can return a array of elements? | 17:06 |
| BartJol | well I think so | 17:07 |
| BartJol | it might complicate your return statement | 17:09 |
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| wgGuest40 | why? | 17:13 |
| wgGuest40 | why the return statement will be complicated? | 17:14 |
| BartJol | well, just a layout thingy, if all the output is placed on one line without delimiters | 17:16 |
| BartJol | I'm not an expert in these matters, just trying to help... | 17:17 |
| @rizen | macro can't return an array | 17:18 |
| @rizen | it must return a string | 17:18 |
| @rizen | that said, if you want it to return a comma delimited string | 17:18 |
| @rizen | that string could then be passed in to to another macro | 17:18 |
| wgGuest40 | ok | 17:22 |
| wgGuest40 | thanks | 17:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | It could return a Storable object which could be any complex data structure. | 17:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh, they left. | 17:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | freeze is so underutialized :P | 17:42 |
| @rizen | freeze is bad | 17:42 |
| @rizen | and not allowed in webgui | 17:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | serializing is bad? | 17:43 |
| @rizen | actually storable isn't allowed in webgui | 17:43 |
| @rizen | no serializing is good | 17:43 |
| @rizen | storable is bad | 17:43 |
| @rizen | because it's binary storage, which is architecture dependant | 17:43 |
| @rizen | so it's not portable | 17:43 |
| @rizen | we recommend serializing to json | 17:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | hmm......so freezing on my x64-86 won't thaw on my x86? | 17:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | json is good too. json is also underutialized. it is especially good for moving data to/from JS :) | 17:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | FYI: Storable has 'nstore' which is arch independant. | 17:52 |
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| @rizen | it's supposed to be arch independent | 18:09 |
| @rizen | but we had some problems with it a while back | 18:09 |
| @rizen | people transitioning from PPC to intel on mac lost a bunch of poll data as a result | 18:10 |
| @rizen | so we decided then that it was time for it to go away | 18:10 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Wow, well that sucks. I won't be using Storable anymore then. | 19:00 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah! "Clean" test results again! | 19:24 |
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| @rizen | wahoo pd | 20:00 |
| @rizen | nice job | 20:00 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: Do the modules in Operation/*.pm need to be Plug'ed, too? | 20:21 |
| @rizen | are there any other than auth that load plugins? | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i don't think so | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i already made Operation.pm use pluggable | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | Several of the modules load things using eval. | 20:22 |
| @rizen | oh | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | SpellCheck, Workflow | 20:22 |
| @rizen | then yes we should do it | 20:22 |
| @rizen | oh good point | 20:22 |
| @rizen | i forgot about those | 20:22 |
| @rizen | you want me to do it, or are you going to do it? | 20:22 |
| @rizen | i suppose i should | 20:22 |
| perlDreamer | I can do a few of them today | 20:22 |
| @rizen | i shouldn't make you clean up my mess | 20:22 |
| @rizen | that's bad | 20:22 |
| @rizen | i'll do it | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | as you wish | 20:23 |
| @rizen | i'll do it now | 20:23 |
| perlDreamer | ack eval Operation/* | 20:23 |
| @rizen | i'm going to leave commerce as is for now | 20:23 |
| @rizen | since i'm working on replacing it | 20:23 |
| @rizen | ooh | 20:24 |
| @rizen | i should be using $class->can in WebGUI::Pluggable | 20:25 |
| @rizen | that would be a good extra check | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | would that work on procedural code? | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | or just on objects? | 20:25 |
| @rizen | no just on the objects | 20:25 |
| @rizen | i don't think that would work on procedural | 20:25 |
| @rizen | but if it would, that would be sweet | 20:25 |
| @rizen | could you look that up for me? | 20:25 |
| perlDreamer | yup | 20:26 |
| perlDreamer | no procedural code | 20:26 |
| perlDreamer | and doesn't work on AUTOLOADs | 20:26 |
| @rizen | oh crap | 20:30 |
| @rizen | then maybe i shouldn't do it | 20:30 |
| @rizen | because then i can't use instanciate() on form controls | 20:30 |
| perlDreamer | not unless you call the form directly, instead of going through WebGUI::Form | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | iirc, WGBP says that AUTOLOAD is not recommended | 20:31 |
| perlDreamer | but I don't know if we've thought that far ahead yet | 20:31 |
| @rizen | yeah, but autoload makes the form system usable | 20:32 |
| @rizen | without it, the form system wouldn't be nearly as cool | 20:32 |
| @rizen | wow there are a lot of plugin points in webgui that i forgot about | 20:42 |
| @khenn | like what? | 20:43 |
| @rizen | form controls, workflow activities, form helpers, workflow helpers | 20:43 |
| @rizen | just to name 4 | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | Asset constructors | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | i18n | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | Help | 20:43 |
| @rizen | no, you did the last 2 | 20:44 |
| @rizen | and i know about asset, i just don't know how to do that one yet | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | I was just adding to the list of plugin points | 20:44 |
| @rizen | it's a bit more complicated | 20:44 |
| @rizen | oh, i thought this was a list of ones i forgot | 20:44 |
| @rizen | not a complete list | 20:44 |
| @khenn | yeah the ones you forgot | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | my bad | 20:44 |
| @khenn | pd just started listing them all =) | 20:44 |
| @rizen | for a complete list we also have auth modules, macros, url and content handlers | 20:44 |
| @rizen | oh and any object for that matter | 20:47 |
| @rizen | as a parameter to a workflow activity | 20:47 |
| perlDreamer | whoa | 20:53 |
| perlDreamer | I think I found the first WebGUI constructor that doesn't take a session object | 20:53 |
| @rizen | which is? | 20:54 |
| perlDreamer | WebGUI::Search::Index | 20:54 |
| @rizen | that's a mistake if that's the case | 20:54 |
| @rizen | it certainly should have a session | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | I guess it does get a session, but it takes an asset as an argument | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | it must get the session from that | 20:56 |
| @rizen | ah | 20:56 |
| @rizen | yeah it doesn't make sense to pass it in twice | 20:56 |
| @rizen | pd could you look at line 323 of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance for me | 21:01 |
| perlDreamer | sure | 21:02 |
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| @rizen | it seems like that shouldn't work | 21:02 |
| @rizen | because $params is an array reference | 21:02 |
| @rizen | and i think it should be @{$params} to make it work | 21:03 |
| @rizen | but there haven't been any complaints, so i don't know what's up | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | maybe they don't take params yet? | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | or all expect array references? | 21:03 |
| perlDreamer | my Workflow/Spectre-fu isn't that great | 21:07 |
| perlDreamer | but it looks like it's creating itself over again | 21:07 |
| perlDreamer | because $class and $method come from $self, rather than the activity | 21:07 |
| perlDreamer | obviously, I'm not paying enough attention in the Workflow class :) | 21:10 |
| @rizen | i think i'm going to stop second guessing myself | 21:10 |
| @rizen | it's obviously working or workflows everywhere would be going to hell in a handbasket | 21:11 |
| perlDreamer | in my Workflow Instance table, all classes and methods are NULL | 21:12 |
| @rizen | you probably only have maintenance workflows up right now | 21:13 |
| @rizen | which have no objects | 21:13 |
| @rizen | most workflows are maintenance type | 21:13 |
| @rizen | but approval workflows work on version tags | 21:13 |
| @rizen | and lots of other workflows work on groups and users | 21:13 |
| perlDreamer | you're right, I don't have any of those running right now | 21:14 |
| @rizen | workflow is kind of an insane bitch | 21:14 |
| @rizen | but i'm glad i wrote it | 21:14 |
| @rizen | it makes so many other things in webgui so much nicer | 21:14 |
| perlDreamer | I'll understand it better once I've tested it | 21:14 |
| @rizen | like the new commerce system for example | 21:14 |
| perlDreamer | I'll understand that once I've tested it, too | 21:17 |
| @rizen | you won't have to test that | 21:17 |
| * perlDreamer briefly considers changing his nick to V'GER | 21:17 | |
| @rizen | i'm building it doing test driven dev | 21:18 |
| @rizen | holy crap, i just cut about 40 lines out of WebGUI::Workflow::Instance due to WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:18 |
| perlDreamer | refactoring rocks | 21:19 |
| @rizen | overall I'd say WebGUI::Pluggable has eliminated about 250 lines of code | 21:19 |
| @rizen | oh wait, ->can will work with the forms system | 21:27 |
| @rizen | because it's in the AUTOLOAD method that we call can | 21:27 |
| @rizen | we're not calling it on an autoload method | 21:28 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5238 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 3 dirs): converted workflow system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 21:34 |
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| cap10morgan | should ?op=spectreGetSiteData ever return an empty json object? (i.e. just "{}") | 21:41 |
| @rizen | no, at the very least it should have 2 nodes, the workflow and schedule nodes | 21:42 |
| @rizen | i forget the exact labeling | 21:42 |
| cap10morgan | ok, that's what i thought | 21:42 |
| cap10morgan | hmm, my sites are returning empty objects | 21:42 |
| cap10morgan | on 7.4.14 | 21:42 |
| cap10morgan | i'll try restarting | 21:42 |
| @rizen | those nodes may be empty if you have no schedules or workflows | 21:42 |
| @rizen | but they should at least exist | 21:42 |
| perlDreamer | is there anything in your webgui.log? | 21:42 |
| cap10morgan | right | 21:43 |
| cap10morgan | no, i need to turn up the logging level though | 21:43 |
| perlDreamer | there is one way for it to return {} | 21:43 |
| perlDreamer | and that's if you make an out of subnet request | 21:43 |
| cap10morgan | perlDreamer: ah, that could be | 21:44 |
| perlDreamer | see line 62 of Operation/Spectre.pm in HEAD for an example | 21:44 |
| perlDreamer | if the request is out of subnet, it will issue a security warning and then fall through to the bottom | 21:44 |
| cap10morgan | yep, that was it | 21:44 |
| cap10morgan | thanks pD | 21:44 |
| perlDreamer | no sweat | 21:44 |
| @rizen | pd you around? | 22:11 |
| @rizen | i don't understand what i'm looking at in WebGUI::Operation::Help _loadHelp | 22:11 |
| @rizen | oh nevermind | 22:12 |
| @rizen | now i do | 22:12 |
| @rizen | crap | 22:14 |
| @rizen | i don't know how to load it though | 22:14 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5239 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): migrated forms system to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: jt * r5240 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation/ProfileSettings.pm: converted to use WebGUI::Pluggable | 22:18 |
| @preaction | would non-508-compliant asset templates in the core be considered a minor/cosmetic bug? | 22:32 |
| @rizen | depends upon the asset | 22:33 |
| @preaction | or since WebGUI is international, is there an international standard we can achieve? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | i seem to be getting bunches of questions about 508 and accessibility these days | 22:33 |
| @rizen | the internatlonal standard is WAI compliance put forth by the W3C, however many countries (including the US) require their own compliance standards | 22:33 |
| @rizen | for example, the project manager asset as far as i'm concerned, doesn't need to be WAI compliant because it is an intranet style app | 22:34 |
| @preaction | my reply is invariably: depends on what the designer does, but a minor audit i conducted gave a few places where we could improve (if we're not, in fact, breaking 508) | 22:34 |
| @rizen | however, any app used by the general public should be WAI or section 508 compliant | 22:34 |
| @preaction | ah, of course | 22:34 |
| @preaction | the Collab System being one of those that might need a little 508 help | 22:34 |
| @rizen | probably | 22:35 |
| @rizen | it's such a big ass app these days | 22:35 |
| @preaction | inaccessible tables, there needs to be all manners of weird tags in tables | 22:35 |
| @preaction | that too | 22:35 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5241 /WebGUI/ (10 files in 4 dirs): Removed old .tmpl files from upgrades. All upgrade collateral must now be in .wgpkg packages | 23:03 |
| @rizen | soooooooooooo cooool | 23:04 |
| @rizen | i'm going to have to bring that up in one of the black blog NEXT posts | 23:04 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: I'd split it into two parts | 23:32 |
| perlDreamer | 1) the load | 23:32 |
| perlDreamer | 2) the data access | 23:32 |
| @rizen | i'm thinking about leaving it as is | 23:33 |
| @rizen | since it's a special case anyway | 23:33 |
| @rizen | or does that seem bad? | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | "It's always easy to stay within strong boundaries." | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | I'd covert the load to use Pluggable | 23:36 |
| @rizen | your mom is a ______ | 23:38 |
| @preaction | when a workflow activity has an error, it's supposed to increment the priority level, correct? | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | ex-nurse | 23:38 |
| @rizen | in spectre yes | 23:39 |
| @rizen | not in the workflow table | 23:39 |
| @preaction | ok | 23:39 |
| @preaction | seems to not be happening, which is causing the same 5 activities to keep running over and over. i'll try to find out why | 23:40 |
| @rizen | blame apeiron | 23:41 |
| @rizen | it's fun | 23:41 |
| @apeiron | No, see, that's apeiron v1.0, the 2.0 model isn't fun any more. | 23:42 |
| @apeiron | However, recent versions of khenn are still fun to blame. | 23:42 |
| perlDreamer | does it throw an exception when falsely blamed? | 23:42 |
| @apeiron | Of course. | 23:43 |
| perlDreamer | must be good code then | 23:44 |
| @rizen | let's try | 23:45 |
| @rizen | my $apeiron = $pb->getEmployee("chris"); | 23:46 |
| @rizen | say $apeiron->blame; | 23:46 |
| perlDreamer | you forgot to catch the exception | 23:46 |
| @rizen | i'm waiting to see die output | 23:47 |
| @rizen | so far nothing is printing | 23:47 |
| @rizen | this is a slow program | 23:47 |
| @rizen | hrmmm...maybe it's hung | 23:47 |
| @preaction | it's backed up with errors from other processes | 23:47 |
| @rizen | i guess i'll have to kill it | 23:47 |
| @rizen | `killall apeiron` | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | it's a remote process, all you did was detach it | 23:48 |
| @rizen | that seemed to work | 23:48 |
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| @rizen | oh no | 23:49 |
| @rizen | kill one employee object and an old one pops up in it's place | 23:49 |
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| @rizen | ping vayde | 23:50 |
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| @rizen | hrm | 23:51 |
| @preaction | resurrected! | 23:51 |
| @rizen | it's not responding either | 23:51 |
| @rizen | but the apeiron process spawned again | 23:51 |
| @rizen | it appears that killall needs a --stay-dead option | 23:51 |
| @preaction | so the getSuspendedQueue in spectre is supposed to have the same priority as the original workflow. and the "workingPriority" is the new priority that spectre itself uses? | 23:51 |
| perlDreamer | I told you that this was just a remote connection | 23:51 |
| @apeiron | Error: caught fatal MessingWithApeiron exception! Aborting... | 23:52 |
| @rizen | finally some output from that damn program | 23:52 |
| @rizen | i guess he was right, you can't blame him without trapping the exception | 23:53 |
| vayde | hey rizen, how you been? | 23:53 |
| @rizen | preaction: that sounds right, but i don't know unless i look at the code | 23:53 |
| @rizen | terrible | 23:53 |
| @rizen | wow i must need a new computer | 23:53 |
| @rizen | my ping command took forever to respond | 23:53 |
| @rizen | and it didn't follow protocol either | 23:53 |
| @rizen | the vayde program is broken | 23:54 |
| vayde | lol. yeah. I get that alot | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | looks like it's just the spectre.pl --status message, it doesn't show the right working priority for suspended workflows, i expect because they're added to the suspended queue at their original priority | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | there's still legacy workflow activities that have a 60-second run-time, would it be cool if I made that configurable? i've got 26000 e-mails and a site that seems to add them faster than they can be removed | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | I think 60 seconds might be an "important" number | 00:30 |
| perlDreamer | like, the spectre time ping interval | 00:30 |
| @preaction | it was, but that was changed iirc | 00:30 |
| @preaction | because now we have the workingPriority thing | 00:31 |
| perlDreamer | well, if that's so (and admittedly, my spectre-fu is weak) then it should be okay to configure it. TMRFE buy-in is always good. | 00:31 |
| @preaction | i updated the time, the job runs every minute now, but it still only gets rid of about 20 each time, which takes (say) two minutes (due to spectre overhead and other factors) | 00:32 |
| @preaction | perlbot math (26000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 00:33 |
| perlbot | 1.80555555555556 | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | 20 email/minute seems very, very slow | 00:33 |
| @preaction | it'll take two DAYS to get through these... | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | which server is that? | 00:33 |
| @preaction | the Alumni site | 00:33 |
| @preaction | they continue to stress parts of WebGUI that I don't think anybody else does | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | I meant, which email server? sendmail, qmail, exchange .. ? | 00:34 |
| @preaction | we use sendmail iirc | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | and it will take two days as long as no new ones are added | 00:35 |
| @preaction | they have applications that allow them to send large HTML-formatted mails | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | and they're using the collab as an email list server? | 00:35 |
| @preaction | to every user in their database | 00:35 |
| @preaction | 20,000+ | 00:35 |
| @preaction | so i think they used it once, maybe twice (since they can also configure who gets the messages, so not everyone has to) | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | so i was thinking some sort of message priority / first-in-first-out system | 00:36 |
| @preaction | since important messages like lost passwords and welcome messages with important instructions are not getting sent out because they're behind (ordered by what though) other, less important messages | 00:36 |
| perlDreamer | A FIFO system will still block, but the messaging priority sounds good. | 00:37 |
| @preaction | ordered by priority first, FIFO second (to make sure there's absolutely no chance that this kind of thing can happen again, unless the priorities are messed up | 00:37 |
| perlDreamer | I see. ORDER BY priority, dateSubmitted | 00:38 |
| @preaction | so i propose both really, because if you send a huge mass at the same priority, and then add another mass, but expect the first to be send before the second, you'll be disappointed | 00:38 |
| @preaction | laugh, i'm up to 28000 now :p | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | see, that's 10% more in 5 minutes | 00:39 |
| perlDreamer | we need to find a better way to do large messages/large recipient sets | 00:40 |
| @preaction | since most of there are the same message? but it's possible to personalize, no? | 00:41 |
| @preaction | isn't that what the "toGroup" thing in mailQueue is for? | 00:41 |
| perlDreamer | sure, but would a forking dispatcher help? Is sendmail the limiting factor, or is it Spectre? | 00:42 |
| @preaction | the application generates a list, but it could generate a Group instead | 00:42 |
| @preaction | it seems like some get sent faster than others | 00:42 |
| perlDreamer | I'll be back in a while | 00:43 |
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| @preaction | perlbot math (28000 / 20 * 2) / 60 / 24 | 01:29 |
| perlbot | 1.94444444444444 | 01:29 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5242 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: | 02:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a check in update() for whether isExportable exists, preventing problems | 02:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: with users upgrading from previous versions of WebGUI. Tested in an upgrade | 02:48 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: from 7.4.0 -> SVN head (i.e., 7.5.0). | 02:48 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5243 /WebGUI/docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.4.18-7.5.0.pl: Add a missing \t in the output of addIsExportable. | 03:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5244 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm: | 04:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Keep the session tracking, but hide it behind an environment | 04:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: variable to keep the line noise down. Also, add user and | 04:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: group tracking. | 04:33 |
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| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5245 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: | 06:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add a stub test for newByDynamicUrl, that really should | 06:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: have been a stub test for update. | 06:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: Add tests for getNotFound, testing what is returned for both | 06:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: a page and a Snippet. | 06:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: are you awake and willing to answer inane testing related questions? | 06:19 |
| @preaction | that depends, are you inane enough to handle the answer? | 06:19 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 06:19 |
| @preaction | then fire away | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm having no luck trying to use Test::Builder to TODO-ify tests in Test::Maker | 06:23 |
| * nuba wonders if hes inane enough to watch the exchange.. | 06:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | So I'm wondering why it isn't working | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | the only thing I can think of is that it's OO instead of procedural | 06:24 |
| * diakopter lurks | 06:24 | |
| nuba | diakopter: want some popcorn? | 06:25 |
| @preaction | so because Test::More doesn't see that it's currently inside of a named TODO: block at some nesting depth, it doesn't truly label them as TODO? | 06:25 |
| diakopter | nuba: i have plenty, thank you | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Right | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe I should commit the code | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | It's harmless (useless) | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can look | 06:26 |
| @preaction | k | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the code is straight out of the Test::Builder::Module docs | 06:27 |
| @preaction | perhaps todo_skip would be better? does that work? | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | yes and no | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | skip will make the tests not run | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I want these tests to run | 06:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | since nothing is exported, import is never called | 06:32 |
| @preaction | look at Test::Builder and look for <level> and tell me if that's what we're looking for | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I did. The Builder docs are bad | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | That's why I chose Builder::Module | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but maybe the whole premise is wrong | 06:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5246 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): add prototype Test code to allow Test::Maker modules to handle TODO | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and I should include that stuff in new | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try retrofitting to tht | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | that | 06:35 |
| @preaction | uhm, is there two package statements in WebGUI::Test::Maker now? | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | No. Why do you ask? | 06:36 |
| @preaction | it looks like the entire module got duplicated and pasted into itself | 06:36 |
| @preaction | weird | 06:36 |
| @preaction | i think it might've been there for a while | 06:37 |
| @preaction | it should only be 192 lines, not 384 | 06:37 |
| @preaction | same thing with Test::Maker::Permission | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the svn repo looks okay | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | my local copy looks okay | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | for Test::Maker | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check Permission next | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | It looks okay, too. | 06:38 |
| @preaction | ha, i think it's because i'm looking at a different codebase :p | 06:39 |
| @preaction | yeah :p | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 06:39 |
| @preaction | is there a test i can use to play with? I'm going to start messing around with Test::Builder and/or Test::More to see why it's happening | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Asset/Asset.t | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | see the commented out code for canAddMaker2 | 06:41 |
| @preaction | k | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that's also what I'm using, so it should be easy to duplicate results | 06:41 |
| @preaction | so i uncomment the code and try that? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and also the TODO code down below that calls the run method | 06:41 |
| @preaction | k | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | level looks right. It should kick things up 1 level | 06:44 |
| @preaction | so 92 and 93 are failing, when in fact they should be TODOing | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | right, they should fail AND be TODO'ed | 06:44 |
| @preaction | right, but it's not one level, they've decended a level because they're being called inside the Test::Maker | 06:45 |
| @preaction | though i really don't quite understand it | 06:45 |
| @preaction | ok() is called in Test::Builder, up one level would be the TODO: block, up one more would be main::, in a normal situation | 06:46 |
| @preaction | so if ok in Test::Builder is instead called in Test::Maker, which is called in a TODO: block, which is called from main, it would need to go up one more, no? | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | so adding 1 to Test::Builder::Level, localized? | 06:47 |
| @preaction | lets try | 06:47 |
| @preaction | omg it works | 06:48 |
| +perlDreamer | using Builder::Module? | 06:48 |
| @preaction | adding 'local $Test::Builder::Level = $Test::Builder::Level+1;' as line 189 (or somewhere at the top of the run() sub) | 06:50 |
| @preaction | i think it's using Builder::Module, it's using runUsers() | 06:50 |
| +perlDreamer | You're a genius | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | You know what happens now right? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to bow to you. | 06:51 |
| @preaction | but then, wouldn't that runUsers introduce another level of depth? | 06:51 |
| @preaction | so why does it work? | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's caller depth, not stack depth | 06:52 |
| +perlDreamer | we're two packages deep, regardless of how many subroutines are called | 06:52 |
| @preaction | that sounds weird. Test::Builder uses caller() to try to find it, isn't that the stack depth? | 06:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure. | 06:53 |
| @preaction | meh, i expect it'll be an exercise for a later day, after we find another way to break things ;) | 06:53 |
| * perlDreamer bows | 06:54 | |
| +perlDreamer | Thanks for collaborating, preaction | 06:54 |
| @preaction | np, interesting problems are always fun, i don't come across nearly enough in my daily work ;) | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | any luck with the email bomb? | 06:55 |
| @preaction | new ways on how to manage site-wide collateral data and reporting are so boring i'm making some superclasses that will cut my work by at least 70% | 06:55 |
| @preaction | yes and no, the e-mails have stopped increasing, but there's nothing i can do to keep things going faster really | 06:56 |
| @preaction | it only came to our attention because of some problems with version tags, perpetual. | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I found another good buglet today | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not really fixable | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | If you instanciate an object inside a version tag, then commit the object | 06:56 |
| @preaction | i've put enough logging info it's pouring out of my eyeballs and i can't find the exact piece of code causing a workflow activity to be created and the version tag and all assets gets destroyed, but the activity remains | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 06:57 |
| @preaction | the bug graham fixed last week might cause it, so i'll be putting that patch in | 06:57 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, it mucks things up if you purge a parent before a child now | 06:57 |
| @preaction | they're getting upgraded to the first 7.5.0 beta as soon as it gets released, so there's that blessing (right now they're running a patched 7.4.13) | 06:57 |
| @preaction | i think there might also be a problem with trying to create a child while the parent is still in a pending state, but i could've swore i tried that one already | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | is it a collab system? | 06:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, there's definitely a problem | 06:59 |
| @preaction | custom application allowing users to post photos, stores those photos in a folder | 06:59 |
| @preaction | seems that most of the problems happen when the folder is created | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | if a child ever has to get getParent, it will puke | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | getParent can't find uncommitted parents | 06:59 |
| @preaction | that... doesn't sound good | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it's exactly what we found in the Gallery/Album tests | 07:00 |
| @preaction | getParent should, imho, always get the parent. if there's no committed parent it should get the uncommitted one | 07:00 |
| @preaction | but then, how could there be a committed child ... because i don't test for that before allowing children to be added to Gallery | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so long as you don't access a method that calls getParent, you can do anything you like | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I think all the containers should override and extend addChild to make sure of it | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | right now it's checked in the interface, but not the API | 07:02 |
| nuba | hey guys, quick question: on the maps asset im generating some javascript which I'd think would be better if using a template instead of mixing perl code and many chunks of HEREDOCs or string concats.. | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | templating tends to be slow | 07:04 |
| +perlDreamer | how about sprintf? | 07:04 |
| nuba | the thing is, if I create a template, chances are the users could delete it and break the asset | 07:04 |
| @preaction | that's the chance you take with all assets | 07:05 |
| @preaction | Time Tracker, Project Manager, huge parts have javascript that unless copied perfectly will break | 07:06 |
| @preaction | i would suggest a snippet though, or if it's absolutely necessary for all asset functionality, a script in the Extras folder | 07:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think it's variable, that's why he wants to template it | 07:06 |
| @preaction | you could either include it yourself using session->http->setScript or have the template do it | 07:07 |
| @preaction | oh | 07:07 |
| @preaction | no way to make it an Object of some kind? | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | nuba: for stuff like that I use sprintf with a heredoc. It's the lightest weight template available in pure, core perl. | 07:07 |
| nuba | i wanted to throw it in the headBlock of the template, just to figure out that headBlock isnt processed, just included as is in the head. | 07:08 |
| @preaction | i would offer up the Event www_edit method as an example of how that can go horribly horribly wrong | 07:08 |
| @preaction | put it on top of the markup in the Template area, or make it an object of some kind that you instanciate in the template part | 07:09 |
| nuba | personally, i'm inclined to embed a template in a $javascript_template scalar, and process it | 07:09 |
| nuba | possibly with TT instead of HTML::Template if it starts to get more complicated. would that be ok? | 07:10 |
| nuba | or thats not the webgui way? | 07:10 |
| @preaction | no way to just write out some JSON? | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I see what you mean. But you're still using quoting and string concat vs a HEREDOC/sprintf | 07:10 |
| nuba | well if I write JSON then i'll move the complexity to javascript. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | nuba: there's no "good" way to do it. It's either slow or ugly. | 07:11 |
| nuba | i'd rather keep it in perl | 07:11 |
| nuba | by complexity i mean the decisions of what javascript to run | 07:12 |
| nuba | i'd rather decide at the perl code what javascript to create | 07:12 |
| @preaction | not sure on the policy of TT v. HTML::Template. I hear rumors of moving to TT exclusively using an updated WebGUI::Asset::Template | 07:13 |
| @preaction | but i don't know what'll happen to them | 07:13 |
| @preaction | i expect HTML::Template will remain the defacto standard for now | 07:13 |
| nuba | i think i'll stick with heredocs for now | 07:13 |
| nuba | but thanks guys for the input | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I heard rizen talk about the templating, too, preaction. There's a HTML::Template dialect in TT now. | 07:16 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, imma commit this, the test is commenting up | 07:16 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's what he was talking about i think | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | already committed | 07:16 |
| @preaction | oh k | 07:16 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5247 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/Permission.pm): make Maker/Permission.pm handle TODO tests | 07:18 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5248 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: convert the commented out code into TODOs | 07:18 |
| nuba | looks like $session->style->setRawHeadTags is my new friend.. | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's good stuff | 07:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it even has a test suite | 07:23 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: doug * r5249 /WebGUI/t/lib/WebGUI/Test/ (Maker.pm Maker/HTML.pm Maker/Permission.pm): fixed Test::Maker::HTML Level. added some comments for future generations | 07:33 |
| CIA-48 | WebGUI: colin * r5250 /WebGUI/t/Asset/Asset.t: refine the one newByDynamicClass test | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | now if only I could get the related bug fixed with addAssetPrivilege, we could resolve the test and unTODO it | 07:51 |
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| +Radix-wrk | anyone about? | 08:01 |
| +Radix-wrk | I've got an old 6.8.10 webgui setup - can I download the latest wre and upgrade it using that to the latest? | 08:03 |
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| AMH_bob | Hallo Diego, | 10:24 |
| AMH_bob | Heb je een link naar de opzet gemaakt voor de product catalogue? | 10:24 |
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| BartJol | does anyone knows what version of WebGUI is currently on the translation site? we plan to try to keep the Dutch translation up to date, but I can't find the version. Is it always the one most recent? | 10:37 |
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| xdanger | shouldn't the read_limit be a little higher by default than 64Mb? | 12:20 |
| xdanger | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/server-wont-upload-big-files | 12:20 |
| BartJol | maybe someyhing to do with users that randomly uploading files | 12:23 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:55 |
| BartJol | Same question as this morning (at least morning for me), is the WebGUI version on the translation server always the latest version? | 16:47 |
| nuba | BartJol: i believe whoever is working on any translation for webgui, is using the translation server | 17:05 |
| BartJol | well, no\ | 17:06 |
| nuba | since most people would prefer a web based interface than editing the source files, i guess | 17:06 |
| BartJol | Arjan is working on a local machine | 17:06 |
| BartJol | and I'm not sure whether he commited the translation | 17:06 |
| nuba | the translation server also has the convenience of automatically keeping track of new strings as they're added to the releases | 17:06 |
| BartJol | I know | 17:07 |
| nuba | well in the early days you had to mail JT the translation to be imported there | 17:07 |
| BartJol | I remember from my first translation a couple of years ago | 17:07 |
| BartJol | but, is the server always running the latest (stable) version? | 17:08 |
| nuba | dunno | 17:10 |
| BartJol | but probably we will be using the PB translation server in the future | 17:11 |
| nuba | oh sorry i just read you question again, i got it wrong | 17:11 |
| nuba | i thought you asked if the translations at the translation server were always the latest ones | 17:11 |
| nuba | you were asking about the webgui version tho | 17:11 |
| nuba | my bad | 17:11 |
| BartJol | no sweat, thanks | 17:11 |
| BartJol | is the script I send you working? | 17:11 |
| nuba | i didnt use it yet, im hacking other pressing things atm | 17:12 |
| nuba | but i'll have use for it, thanks for sending :) | 17:12 |
| nuba | just not while this deadlines are breathing in my neck :/ | 17:13 |
| BartJol | :) | 17:13 |
| BartJol | off course | 17:13 |
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| wgGuest26 | hello | 19:41 |
| wgGuest26 | i have a small problem at installation | 19:41 |
| wgGuest26 | ca someone please helpme ? | 19:41 |
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| wgGuest82 | hello | 19:43 |
| wgGuest82 | someone can help me with a problem at installation please? | 19:44 |
| nuba | whats going wrong? | 19:50 |
| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 20:13 |
| wgGuest82 | when i am runnig wreconsole.pl i am getting this message | 20:14 |
| wgGuest82 | [root@localhost sbin]# /usr/bin/perl wreconsole.pl | 20:14 |
| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 20:15 |
| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at wreconsole.pl line 1024 | 20:15 |
| wgGuest82 | malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 20:15 |
| @preaction | why are you using your system's perl when you should be using the WRE's perl? | 20:31 |
| wgGuest82 | i did not knew | 20:35 |
| @preaction | best to do this: . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh <- note the space between the . and the / | 20:36 |
| @preaction | then just "perl wreconsole.pl" or even just "wreconsole.pl" | 20:37 |
| @preaction | the JSON that ships with the WRE should wokr | 20:37 |
| wgGuest82 | one moment | 20:37 |
| wgGuest82 | i try this now | 20:37 |
| @preaction | but, if you could open up a new terminal, do a perldoc -l JSON, and let me know what the $VERSION is, I would appreciate it | 20:38 |
| @preaction | if they're going to deprecate something, we're going to need to prepare for it | 20:38 |
| wgGuest82 | ok | 20:40 |
| wgGuest82 | 1 sec please | 20:40 |
| wgGuest82 | the version of perl is 5.8.8 and version of webgui si 0.8.1 | 20:42 |
| @preaction | i mean what version of the JSON module you were using that gave you that error | 20:44 |
| @preaction | also, just to make sure, you're using the WRE 0.8.1, which probably downloaded WebGUI 7.4.18 | 20:45 |
| wgGuest82 | yes i am using wre 0.8.1 | 20:47 |
| wgGuest82 | in the JSON.pm i found a variabile that states version=2.04 | 20:48 |
| wgGuest82 | i dont have much experience with perl modules | 20:48 |
| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
| wgGuest82 | perldoc -l JSON echo the path /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/JSON.pm | 20:50 |
| @preaction | now open up that file and look for $VERSION | 21:02 |
| wgGuest82 | i found $JSON::VERSION='2.04' | 21:04 |
| @preaction | that works, thanks | 21:04 |
| wgGuest82 | $XS_VERSION='2.01' | 21:04 |
| wgGuest82 | ok | 21:05 |
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| perlDreamer | to answer BartJol's question from this morning, I believe the translation server runs off of SVN HEAD, not the latest stable version. | 21:51 |
| wgGuest82 | perldreamer can you help me with some problems at installation please | 21:56 |
| wgGuest82 | ? | 21:56 |
| perlDreamer | what kind of problems are you having, wgGuest82? | 21:56 |
| wgGuest82 | one moment please | 21:58 |
| wgGuest82 | 'jsonToObj' will be obsoleted. Please use 'from_json' instead. at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Config/JSON.pm line 134 | 21:59 |
| wgGuest82 | this is the error i getting | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | Are you using the WRE? | 22:00 |
| wgGuest82 | JSON is version 2.04 | 22:00 |
| wgGuest82 | perl is 5.8.8 | 22:00 |
| wgGuest82 | i am running red hat with wre 0.8.1 | 22:00 |
| perlDreamer | the WRE supplies its own JSON and perl and apache and mysql | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | you must not be running it | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | did you run . setEnvironment from the WRE sbin directory? | 22:01 |
| wgGuest82 | i don run apache or mysql | 22:01 |
| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | what does perl -v report? | 22:01 |
| perlDreamer | actually, hold on a sec | 22:02 |
| perlDreamer | how can you run WebGUI without using apache or mysql? | 22:02 |
| wgGuest82 | This is perl, v5.8.8 built for i386 | 22:02 |
| wgGuest82 | etc | 22:02 |
| wgGuest82 | i am using apache | 22:03 |
| wgGuest82 | i just dont have the service started | 22:03 |
| perlDreamer | what are you doing to produce the error message? | 22:04 |
| wgGuest82 | perl wreconsole.pl | 22:04 |
| wgGuest82 | after that localhost.localdomain:60834 | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | and you continue to get this error message after you do the . setEnvironment ? | 22:04 |
| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:04 |
| perlDreamer | which shell are you using? | 22:05 |
| wgGuest82 | bash | 22:05 |
| wgGuest82 | after i run setenviroment.sh i run echo $? and it returns 0 | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | please do echo $PATH > myPath and paste it using the pastebin site in the title. webgui.pastebin.com | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | then paste the URL here | 22:06 |
| perlDreamer | it's not possible that you run the setenvironment script and still point to an operating system perl library. | 22:07 |
| nuba | besides the jsonToObj warnings wgGuest82 is getting this too | 22:07 |
| nuba | wgGuest82> malformed JSON string, neither array, object, number, string or atom, at character offset 0 ["(end of string)"] at | 22:07 |
| nuba | looks like a malformed json file to me | 22:07 |
| wgGuest82 | hello nuba | 22:07 |
| wgGuest82 | you're back | 22:08 |
| nuba | yup. im always online on irc, even if im not at the computer, i leave the client connected here | 22:09 |
| wgGuest82 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d3e852bf5 | 22:09 |
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| nuba | just found out this week's FLOSS is about YUI | 22:09 |
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| nuba | FLOSS Weekly 23: The Yahoo User Interface Library | 22:10 |
| nuba | http://twit.tv/floss23 | 22:10 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest82: your path is not being set by the setEnvironment script | 22:10 |
| perlDreamer | so it's still pointing to the system perl, not the WRE one | 22:11 |
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| perlDreamer | and hence your JSON warning about obsolence | 22:11 |
| wgGuest82 | you are right | 22:11 |
| wgGuest82 | how do i corect this | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | I _think_ the setenvironment script is in /data/wre/sbin | 22:11 |
| perlDreamer | head over there and see if I'm right | 22:12 |
| perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE myself | 22:12 |
| wgGuest82 | yes it is there | 22:12 |
| wgGuest82 | and from there i run it | 22:12 |
| nuba | you run it with . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
| perlDreamer | . <space> setenvironment ? | 22:13 |
| nuba | its a dot, a space, then | 22:13 |
| nuba | /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 22:13 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, what nuba said | 22:13 |
| wgGuest82 | yes | 22:13 |
| wgGuest82 | i try again now | 22:13 |
| nuba | it would be nice havin setenvironment setting a $WRE variable | 22:14 |
| nuba | so you could just ask people to paste here the output of echo $WRE | 22:14 |
| nuba | or maybe echo $SHELL $WRE | 22:16 |
| perlDreamer | I like it. Make it an RFE and I'll see if I can implement it. | 22:16 |
| wgGuest82 | guys thanks for the help | 22:16 |
| wgGuest82 | it is working now | 22:17 |
| nuba | cool | 22:17 |
| wgGuest82 | i probably messed up something | 22:17 |
| perlDreamer | I'm guessing your earlier problem was not specifying the whole path to setenvironment | 22:17 |
| perlDreamer | but in any case, I'm glad it's working for you now | 22:17 |
| wgGuest82 | i run wreconsole.pl with the perl from wre | 22:17 |
| wgGuest82 | thks for you help and patience | 22:17 |
| wgGuest82 | have a good night | 22:18 |
| wgGuest82 | :d | 22:18 |
| nuba | you too | 22:18 |
| nuba | oh also | 22:18 |
| nuba | you can change your nick with /nick mynewnick | 22:18 |
| nuba | so you can hang out here with a proper nick instead of wgGuestxx if you want | 22:18 |
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| Bodanel | ok | 22:19 |
| nuba | there you go | 22:20 |
| Bodanel | i dont use irc channels so much | 22:20 |
| @apeiron | Although if you're gonna do that, you may as well get a proper IRC client. :) irc.freenode.net, #webgui | 22:20 |
| nuba | next time a Bodanel joins here we may remember its you :) | 22:20 |
| Bodanel | il do that | 22:20 |
| Bodanel | ok | 22:20 |
| Bodanel | you will see me again | 22:21 |
| Bodanel | now i am experimenting webgui | 22:21 |
| Bodanel | bye everybody | 22:21 |
| perlDreamer | later | 22:21 |
| nuba | have fun | 22:21 |
| @apeiron | Ciao, have fun. | 22:21 |
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| perlDreamer | He was very persistent. That's a good trait in new users | 23:10 |
| @preaction | as long as he learns / listens | 23:10 |
| perlDreamer | "indeed" | 23:11 |
| nuba | yeah | 23:19 |
| nuba | he seemed thankful, and looking forward to come back as he goes experimenting | 23:20 |
| nuba | it would be good if experimenters of today turned channel regulars of tomorrow :) | 23:20 |
| @preaction | i'm starting to think there needs to be a measure of critical installed mass to start upping the population here | 23:25 |
| nuba | worried it could turn all of us into 1st level of customer support ? :) | 23:27 |
| nuba | that can be scary :/ | 23:27 |
| @preaction | not really, we kinda are | 23:29 |
| @preaction | for my purpose, in order to keep on top of what's going on in the WebGUI community, i read every board and post when it's appropriate | 23:30 |
| @preaction | usually when i notice something that could be wrong with WebGUI, such as the new JSON API that's going to cause problems unless we switch | 23:31 |
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| Radix__ | woohoo.. my source build of the wre completed | 00:32 |
| Radix__ | didn't think that was ever going to happen to be honest :) | 00:34 |
| @preaction | :p oh ye of little faith | 00:41 |
| Radix__ | it kept on failing at GSSAPI | 00:46 |
| Radix__ | it'd try and install Authen::SASL, which had a required module gssapi and it would always fail to install | 00:47 |
| Radix__ | I found the right things to apt-get to get it working in the end | 00:47 |
| @preaction | what version of debian/ubuntu? | 00:48 |
| Radix__ | still wouldn't build tho.. so ended up doing a full clean and rebuild and went to bed | 00:48 |
| Radix__ | debian 4, etch | 00:48 |
| @preaction | might want to post a build log to the dev list with the difficulties you went through | 00:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5252 /WebGUI/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Added userDefined fields to GalleryAlbum assets. Modified Gallery::Utility to migrate userDefined fields from Threads to GalleryAlbums. Added tests for the previous. | 00:48 |
| Radix__ | the prebuilt one didn't work.. wanted a specific version of glibc | 00:48 |
| Radix__ | would it be worth packaging this one up as a binary for debian 4? | 00:49 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: could you please add asset committing to the Gallery Utility test while your'e working on it? | 00:49 |
| @preaction | is that why the purgeRevision is failing? | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 00:50 |
| @preaction | better question: is that a bug in purgeRevision? | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | perhaps, but why get the working tag if you're not going to commit it? | 00:50 |
| @preaction | to isolate my changes and be able to roll them all back at the end | 00:51 |
| perlDreamer | that won't isolate your changes since each addChild will get the current working tag anyway | 00:51 |
| @preaction | it also creates the working tag so that i have it to be able to roll it back without having to go look for it | 00:52 |
| perlDreamer | I didn't know that uncommitted tags could be rolled back | 00:52 |
| perlDreamer | I'll have to study the versioning code some more | 00:53 |
| @preaction | all a rollback does is purge all the assets in the version tag | 00:54 |
| @preaction | rather, all the revisions | 00:54 |
| @preaction | revisions can be pending and still be purged | 00:54 |
| perlDreamer | I see | 00:55 |
| perlDreamer | but then you're still stuck with getParent always failing | 00:55 |
| @preaction | is getParent versioning-aware? that might be a bug too | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | preaction: my biggest frustration is always trying to figure out what is a bug in code, vs poorly written code. | 01:47 |
| perlDreamer | In other words, who is wrong? | 01:47 |
| perlDreamer | Only rizen can answer that question | 01:48 |
| perlDreamer | since he wrote it | 01:48 |
| @preaction | i tend to think about what I would want, i would want versioning to be a completely-working method to change as much as I want without pushing them to the live version until i'm satisfied | 01:49 |
| @preaction | no matter if i'm using code or actually editing it myself | 01:49 |
| @preaction | so to say, the "spirit" of the code, not the letter ;) | 01:49 |
| perlDreamer | If rizen's cool with changing that, I'm perfectly cool with it too. I just like passing test suites | 01:50 |
| @preaction | i'm more a fan of failing test suites, it exposes bugs ;) | 01:50 |
| @preaction | correct tests that fail ;) | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | well, if y'all have a weekly kind of meeting, maybe you could bring it up and talk it through | 01:51 |
| perlDreamer | if the API can change or be altered/fixed, then it should be done | 01:51 |
| @preaction | not sure if those are API issues really, some parts of the Asset class just aren't very aware of versioning, and we're running into them a lot | 01:55 |
| @preaction | i can write something to the dev list about it | 01:55 |
| @preaction | ... and after an hour of migrating content, i begin to worry that the script is just spinning its gears... | 01:58 |
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| elnino | hi. The help file system is very powerful with the i18n support and all, but my macros are really only useful to us. Is there a way I can write help files within WebGUI, without having to create a corresponding i18n file as well? | 02:01 |
| perlDreamer | no | 02:01 |
| perlDreamer | although the macro help has been pulled out of the core and put into the wiki instead | 02:01 |
| perlDreamer | you could take a similar approach | 02:01 |
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| elnino | so, my custom macros will no longer list automatically in the webgui help? | 02:03 |
| perlDreamer | it's been a while since i've worked in that system | 02:06 |
| perlDreamer | I think they'll list | 02:06 |
| perlDreamer | I don't think they link anymroe | 02:06 |
| perlDreamer | that's as of 7.4, btw | 02:08 |
| elnino | That's too bad, It was certainly convienent to see al the "help" in one place. But Good to know before I spend all my time writing .pm help files. Is there | 02:08 |
| elnino | I'll look at the 7.4 readme/history to see if I can figure it out... | 02:08 |
| elnino | Thanks! | 02:08 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking about re-writing the Settings tab in order to (a) accomodate as much stuff from the .conf file as possible and (b) since there'll be a whole slew of new stuff, adding some search capabilities to make setting things easier | 02:13 |
| @preaction | yea or ney? it's a longer-term project, since the Report asset is first | 02:13 |
| @preaction | something like CompizConfig Settings Manager, with the tabs on the side and a searchbar thingy | 02:14 |
| nuba | two thumbs here for moving things from .conf to Setting! | 02:16 |
| nuba | thumbs up, that is | 02:16 |
| @preaction | in order to start up, though, the DSN, database user, and database password must remain in the config file, but those are unlikely to ever need changing, whereas installing assets requires changing config | 02:17 |
| elnino | The only thing the change log says is that they removed the Table of Contents - which is where the macros help files were linked into. I suspect that there are people out there that have put in a lot of time customizing help, I'm surprised that this was removed? Was this a reqeust? | 02:18 |
| @preaction | it's a performance issue, i18n is loaded into memory, being Perl data structures | 02:18 |
| @preaction | without the i18n for the Help files, we cut something like 12M resident | 02:18 |
| @preaction | iirc. the IRC logs have the true answer | 02:19 |
| elnino | Hmm. That makes sense> I guess I would have had it as an install option. But I'm glad I found out before writing a bunch of help files. | 02:19 |
| elnino | re config: less config files more settings via the application I think is much easier. Sounds good to me. | 02:20 |
| nuba | i like config files having just as little as required to boot | 02:21 |
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| @preaction | actually i'll have to look. i'm pretty sure preload.perl does some magic with the configured class names. that might have to change to use either Module::Pluggable or WebGUI::Pluggable | 02:22 |
| @preaction | which could increase the resident size, since all the classes in WebGUI::Form, WebGUI::Macro, WebGUI::Asset WebGUI::Workflow::Activity will be loaded at the get-go, no matter if any site is configured to use them | 02:23 |
| nuba | true | 02:25 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: you might want to check the IRC archives for a discussion on that | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | rizen hasn't been favorable about that in the past | 02:27 |
| perlDreamer | something about the config being loaded on startup, where as settings are hit on every request | 02:28 |
| @preaction | humph... sounds like a challenge to me ;) | 02:28 |
| @preaction | but yes, that would be bad | 02:28 |
| perlDreamer | you know where the online archives are... | 02:29 |
| nuba | are the irclogs archived somewhere? | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | jukka does it for us | 02:29 |
| perlDreamer | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 02:29 |
| nuba | cool. i've got irssi on auto-logging, but of course that works only when im here :) | 02:30 |
| @preaction | i'll write something to download them and index them later :p | 02:32 |
| @preaction | would it be prudent to make an Asset/api.t test that can be copy/pasted to make sure that all assets conform to the same API? perhaps an additional one for Wobjects? | 02:35 |
| @preaction | god.. give me a week off and just see what explodes out of my head :P | 02:35 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: I think the real answer is Test::Class | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | copy and paste is bad | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | very bad | 02:36 |
| nuba | preaction: wget -r to download, grep to search :) | 02:36 |
| @preaction | ooh | 02:36 |
| @preaction | nuba, thanks | 02:36 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, will investigate before i start writing this api test for my new Report interface | 02:37 |
| nuba | grep -i to make it case insensitive, and -C 10 to give you 10 lines beore and after each grep hit | 02:37 |
| perlDreamer | I'd love to see the Gallery tests refactored to reuse code, rather than copy and paste | 02:37 |
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| Khaytsus | I updated my WebGUI from 7.3.18 to 7.3.22, no problem. Updated 7.3.22 to 7.4.19 and now when I restart httpd I get this: | 02:38 |
| Khaytsus | Error loading WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit! - Can't locate Template.pm | 02:38 |
| Khaytsus | Didn't have any upgrade errors... And I'm not finding anything on this error. Any suggestions? The website sorta shows, but doesn't load much beyond the main page content. | 02:38 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus, is Template installed? | 02:39 |
| perlDreamer | It's probably coming through the config file, with TT as a plug-in | 02:39 |
| Khaytsus | Is it separate? I'm really not sure | 02:39 |
| Khaytsus | Let me look at config | 02:39 |
| @preaction | Template is perl's Template Toolkit | 02:39 |
| @preaction | TT or TT2 | 02:40 |
| Khaytsus | Hmm, let me check that | 02:40 |
| Khaytsus | Template::Toolkit ? | 02:40 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, i like Test::Class. I like it a lot. it could compartmentalize our tests immensely (each test sub could create its own version tag and rollback after its done) | 02:40 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus, no. it's just Template | 02:41 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 02:41 |
| @preaction | Template.pm | 02:41 |
| perlDreamer | but think of the rewrite | 02:41 |
| * perlDreamer shudders | 02:41 | |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, admittedly, but if we can use it going forward | 02:41 |
| perlDreamer | I agree, but I won't have time myself to work on it until after the testing book chapter is written | 02:42 |
| perlDreamer | it would need a branch | 02:42 |
| perlDreamer | 'cause we won't make 7.5 either | 02:42 |
| @preaction | and it's an ugly rewrite, but it doesn't have to be a rewrite really, they can co-exist until the Test::Class heirarchy covers enough | 02:42 |
| Khaytsus | preaction: Okay I'm a moron, I'm not sure where to find that then.. cpan I'm coming up with a bunch of template related stuff, but. | 02:42 |
| @preaction | Khaytsus, try cpan Bundle-Template perhaps? | 02:42 |
| @preaction | durno though | 02:42 |
| @preaction | you don't need to install it | 02:43 |
| @preaction | unless you actually use it | 02:43 |
| * perlDreamer heads home | 02:43 | |
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| Khaytsus | Okay, let me peep in the config now | 02:43 |
| Khaytsus | Aha, I found their website | 02:43 |
| Khaytsus | duh, just "install Template" | 02:43 |
| @preaction | you can just remove the WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit from your Template Plugins section | 02:43 |
| * Khaytsus hugs preaction | 02:46 | |
| Khaytsus | Nothing in the config, but installing TT2 did it :D | 02:46 |
| Khaytsus | Thank you! | 02:48 |
| Khaytsus | Do you happen to know one other question? I had some collaboration systems set to 1 year archive, didn't really mean to.. Is there an *easy* way to find the articles, assuming I can't just search for them? Ie: I want to unarchive all of them. I've searched Assets all over, they stashed anywhere together? | 02:48 |
| @preaction | they're all in the database. they're in the same place, really, just have a different state | 02:50 |
| @preaction | search the wiki for "magic numbers" | 02:50 |
| @preaction | sorry, it's "status" | 02:50 |
| Khaytsus | I saw a reference to that, let me read it closer | 02:52 |
| Khaytsus | So the most direct method is sql queries for status=archived ? | 02:55 |
| @preaction | yeah | 02:55 |
| @preaction | otherwise, though i don't know what other consequences this might have, just update assetData set status=approved where status=archived | 02:55 |
| @preaction | if i'm not mistaken, the only thing that uses the archived status is the collab system | 02:56 |
| Khaytsus | k | 02:56 |
| @preaction | standard disclaimers apply | 03:01 |
| Khaytsus | yep, I'm umm.. attempting a select first.. sql is not a strength :) | 03:04 |
| Khaytsus | aha, got it | 03:04 |
| Khaytsus | select title from assetData where status like 'archived'; | 03:05 |
| Khaytsus | Looks safe | 03:05 |
| Khaytsus | hmm, I see dups.. I wonder if it archives old versions | 03:07 |
| @preaction | probably. not sure if the archive system is version-aware | 03:08 |
| Khaytsus | I'm reading the entries to see | 03:09 |
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| Khaytsus | aha yeah I can do selective updates with a title,revisionDate query | 03:13 |
| Khaytsus | Yep, that worked. I had to edit something else so it would let me commmit, then the 'fixed' threads are showing :) | 03:34 |
| @preaction | oh, since you did a raw DB edit, clear the cache by rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache | 03:37 |
| Khaytsus | restart httpd and/or spectre? | 03:38 |
| Khaytsus | Hmm, why can't I find the "help" level.. It's extremely wordy right now in settings etc | 03:40 |
| metanil | hello everyone | 03:40 |
| metanil | what should i do if want to aggregate some articles and show it in new article page? .. is there any assets/tool available? | 03:40 |
| @preaction | like from an RSS feed? | 03:48 |
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| metanil | yes | 03:51 |
| metanil | actually i want to show them in my dashboard(asset). | 03:53 |
| @preaction | i think you'd need to make a Syndicated Content asset, and then you can make that available to the dashboard | 03:54 |
| @preaction | but i'm not an expert on the dashboard at all | 03:54 |
| @preaction | if there's not one already, it would be a good idea to write a tutorial on the WebGUI wiki on adding content widgets to the dashboard. | 03:54 |
| +Radix-wrk | yay.. I got my new WRE/WebGUI install working :) | 03:55 |
| @preaction | woot! | 03:55 |
| @preaction | is it just me, or is this channel been unusually active since the new year? | 03:56 |
| +Radix-wrk | now to recreate the content I had before (couldn't be bothered upgrading as only had a few pages and it was still using 6.8.10) | 03:56 |
| metanil | So currently we don't have syndicated content asset.. right? | 04:05 |
| @preaction | metanil, what do you mean? There's a Syndicated Content asset | 04:06 |
| @preaction | not sure if it's allowed in dashboards | 04:06 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, you can use it in dashboards | 04:07 |
| +Radix-wrk | I use it at work to get the weather info on our intranet dashboard | 04:07 |
| @preaction | dashboard is a crazy-powerful piece of worksmanship that needs to start coming into its own. i wonder how many people actually use it | 04:07 |
| @preaction | sounds like a good poll for WebGUI.org | 04:08 |
| +Radix-wrk | I didn't really get a feel for how to use the dashboard until I went to the WUC and someone mentioned it | 04:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | it's an unusual, but very cool asset | 04:11 |
| metanil | oops.. it was only available after logging using admin user | 04:11 |
| @preaction | that's probably a ui level issue | 04:12 |
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| metanil | i think the URL to RSS should be pointed to something which return RSS .. right? | 04:27 |
| @preaction | hover over the label for "URL to RSS", it should pop-up a little help box | 04:27 |
| metanil | yes.. i did it. and rss site will return like charm. | 04:28 |
| metanil | but nothing showed up if pointed to some articles. | 04:28 |
| metanil | i mean articles(assets) of webgui | 04:28 |
| @preaction | so it's not an RSS feed at all | 04:31 |
| @preaction | you might be able to make a shortcut to the page, or make shortcuts to those assets, or something of that nature | 04:31 |
| metanil | like link? | 04:31 |
| @preaction | no, Shortcut | 04:32 |
| @preaction | a Shortcut asset | 04:32 |
| metanil | hmmm | 04:32 |
| @preaction | a Redirect asset is more like a link. a Shortcut allows you to do fun things | 04:32 |
| @preaction | like override templates, content, title, url, groups, etc... | 04:32 |
| metanil | but i don't see any assets that called something "shortcut".. | 04:33 |
| metanil | BTW, i'm quite new to webgui | 04:33 |
| @preaction | i know. you might be interested in buying some of the books that plainblack offers, as this place is not really to be used for people learning how to do things in WebGUI | 04:34 |
| @preaction | ah, you have to click on the More link in the asset manager to get Create Shortcut | 04:34 |
| @preaction | then you can move that shortcut where you want it | 04:35 |
| @preaction | it's not going to be an aggragate, unless you shortcut the page (then it'll get the page, which gets all the articles on the page) | 04:36 |
| @preaction | consequently, you might prefer to use a Collaboration System just so you can get the RSS feed it produces | 04:36 |
| @preaction | (instead of Articles) | 04:36 |
| metanil | hmmm.. | 04:40 |
| metanil | i'm looking at shortcut.. | 04:40 |
| metanil | its cool! | 04:40 |
| @preaction | it's crazy. there are some seriously awesome things you can do with them | 04:42 |
| @preaction | and they work great with dashboards | 04:42 |
| metanil | ya.. but the i have to do aggregation manually to each articles description. | 04:45 |
| metanil | i cannot automate it.. so i think if i change the source code for description in shortcut asset, then it will work. | 04:46 |
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| metanil | btw, when i log out and then log in why it tries remain in same page (rather than home page)? | 04:56 |
| @preaction | because that's how it works. it's more convenient imho | 04:58 |
| @preaction | you can change that, but i forget how | 04:58 |
| @preaction | something like returnUrl or proceed | 04:58 |
| @preaction | probably returnUrl | 04:58 |
| +Radix-wrk | Hmm.. if I have the wre/webgui on 80/81 - and I have another apache server running a couple of static html/php websites on port 82/83/84/85 etc.. what's the best way to add them to the wre modproxy setup without breaking any of the wre addsite functionality? | 05:08 |
| @preaction | creating new "sitename.modproxy" with <VirtualHost> blocks? | 05:09 |
| @preaction | shouldn't interfere with addsite | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah? okay.. that'd do it then | 05:09 |
| @preaction | i'd advise against adding anything to httpd.modproxy.conf | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, was thinking the same | 05:09 |
| @preaction | since i think that can be overwritten by the wreconsole.pl script | 05:09 |
| +Radix-wrk | wasn't sure what the best way to do it was tho :) | 05:09 |
| @preaction | dunno if wreconsole does things intelligently. i think httpd.modproxy.conf is just a processed template output now | 05:10 |
| +Radix-wrk | cheers doug | 05:11 |
| @preaction | though you might want to not try to make a new site using the addsite script with the same name as one of the site you're adding manually | 05:11 |
| +Radix-wrk | yah, that'd be silly :) | 05:12 |
| @preaction | the old wre 0.7 would cheerfully overwrite everything | 05:12 |
| @preaction | i don't know if the new WRE 0.8 changed that | 05:12 |
| metanil | returnUrl is macro? | 05:29 |
| @preaction | no, it's a url parameter | 05:29 |
| metanil | any example.. actually url parameter has to be some value. | 05:37 |
| metanil | http://webgui.example.com/home/utilities?op=auth;method=logout;op=returnUrl; | 05:37 |
| metanil | ? | 05:37 |
| metanil | i searched both wiki and forum.. but couldn't get results. | 05:38 |
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| @preaction | the url parameter is named "returnUrl", and again, i'm not sure | 05:41 |
| @preaction | the value would be the url you want them returned to | 05:41 |
| metanil | hmm.. i think both proceed and returnUrl is not working.. .. its showing same page. | 05:44 |
| @preaction | not sure it's supposed to work when logging out, but i'm pretty sure it works when logging in | 05:45 |
| metanil | hmm.. lets try then. | 05:46 |
| @preaction | sorry, it's "redirectAfterLogin" | 05:46 |
| metanil | o o.. | 05:47 |
| metanil | it should be parameter while login in right? | 05:47 |
| metanil | not while logging out. | 05:47 |
| @preaction | dunno if any of it works. looks like it's a session scratch, not really a url parameter. | 05:48 |
| metanil | oops | 05:48 |
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| metanil | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d48841d30 is the code which makes redirection after login .. right? | 08:09 |
| @preaction | yes. it gets the session scratch variable | 08:10 |
| metanil | so if i don't want redirection (or redirection to only one page) we need to modify this file OR is there exists a same thing from webgui admin console. | 08:20 |
| @preaction | you can set the appropriate scratch variable if you want | 08:21 |
| @preaction | i'd suggest making a macro that would set the scratch variable | 08:22 |
| @preaction | modifications to that file would need to be maintained through upgrades, which could get annoying | 08:22 |
| metanil | hmm.. | 08:23 |
| @preaction | you could even make a simple, stupid macro called SetScratch that would take a scratch name and set the value. post it onto an RFE and i could probably get it into WebGUI core | 08:27 |
| @preaction | or, at least, draw the developers' attention to the fact that there's no easy way to redirect after login | 08:28 |
| metanil | hmm.. first i'll try it by myself. | 08:32 |
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| metanil | is the webgui configuration file is /data/WebGUI/etc/WebGUI.conf.original? | 09:07 |
| @preaction | no, that's the original one. there should be something in there like www.example.com.conf | 09:07 |
| @preaction | with your site name | 09:07 |
| metanil | oo | 09:08 |
| metanil | ya | 09:08 |
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| metanil | i did http://webgui.pastebin.com/d38e39cd but its still not working. | 09:42 |
| metanil | i did this through macro | 09:42 |
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| metanil | it now worked!! | 09:52 |
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| BartJol | morning | 11:46 |
| @preaction | morning | 11:47 |
| BartJol | hee | 11:47 |
| BartJol | maybe you know | 11:47 |
| @preaction | oh i expect i might | 11:48 |
| BartJol | do you know the policy of the version management on the translation server | 11:48 |
| BartJol | when it is replaced | 11:48 |
| BartJol | what version it is currently | 11:48 |
| @preaction | it's taken out of SVN HEAD | 11:49 |
| @preaction | from what i understand | 11:49 |
| @preaction | maybe it's current beta / testing | 11:49 |
| @preaction | yeah, that sounds more accurate, current beta / testing | 11:49 |
| BartJol | ah, mmm | 11:49 |
| @preaction | it's running on plainblack.com | 11:49 |
| BartJol | yes | 11:49 |
| @preaction | let me finish this ugly SQL statement and i'll check for real | 11:50 |
| BartJol | ok | 11:50 |
| BartJol | thanks | 11:50 |
| BartJol | it also might be usefull to have a banner "currently we are translating WebGUI version x.x.x" you don't see the version even in the html or the exported tar | 11:52 |
| BartJol | or maybe you can, I'm quite stupid you know | 11:52 |
| @preaction | writing an SQL query that can extract text from HTML is not fun. but it's even worse when the HTML is not well-formed or valid... | 11:53 |
| BartJol | is that why you are up so late? | 11:53 |
| BartJol | or are you watching the pre-elections? | 11:54 |
| @preaction | that's why i'm up so late | 11:54 |
| BartJol | can imagine | 11:54 |
| @preaction | 12 hours watching a long migration script run multiple times to fix bugs, and now a couple hours fixing bugs in a different client's SQLReports that I wrote to make RSS feeds | 11:55 |
| @preaction | lesson learned number 1) Don't force SQLReports into doing things it can't handle | 11:55 |
| @preaction | 2) Don't let anyone tell you "We only want this." They don't know it yet, but they want more. | 11:55 |
| BartJol | sound familiar | 11:55 |
| BartJol | especially #2 | 11:56 |
| @preaction | can't go back now though, the original spec was for something that wouldn't even do what this SQLReport does :( | 11:56 |
| BartJol | but does it have to extract from html documents or from generated html? | 11:59 |
| BartJol | not that i can help you with this... sorry | 11:59 |
| BartJol | just moral support: those bastard customers! | 12:00 |
| @preaction | it extracts from html that's copy/pasted into an HTMLArea, i could've swore i cleaned it up some, since there were already problems with bad markup, but apparently not enough | 12:02 |
| @preaction | but no parser that i know of can make bad html into well-formed html | 12:02 |
| @preaction | anyway, the i18n editor pulls from /data/WebGUI, so it's the same webgui that plainblack.com is running | 12:03 |
| @preaction | that's where the template comes from, the files are saved outside of that and then committed to SVN | 12:03 |
| BartJol | ah, ok, that's nice to know | 12:03 |
| BartJol | so each upgrade of plainblack also updates the translation server | 12:04 |
| BartJol | is there a possibilty that we can get a notification before pb.com is upgraded? | 12:04 |
| @preaction | in essence, yes. there will be new variables to edit, if any | 12:05 |
| @preaction | pb.com is upgraded immediately before every WebGUI release | 12:05 |
| @preaction | so if you know when the release is, you know when pb.com is being updated | 12:05 |
| BartJol | ah, just keep checking the forum, irc aand website | 12:06 |
| @preaction | or use your RSS reader to subscribe to the plainblack.com newsfeed, or the webgui.org newsfeed | 12:06 |
| BartJol | ah, that might be wise | 12:07 |
| BartJol | thanks | 12:07 |
| @preaction | np | 12:07 |
| BartJol | good luck with the sql rreport | 12:09 |
| BartJol | and don't forget to sleep | 12:09 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Were any webgui sites effected by this weekends injection attacks (I would assume no)? | 16:51 |
| bartjol | not as far as I know, everything seems to be ok here | 16:56 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: the problem is that there aren't enough whackos | 19:35 |
| @rizen | are you referring to tbb? | 19:35 |
| perlDreamer | yup | 19:35 |
| @rizen | well if all whackos are as good as you, i'll take 10,000 please | 19:36 |
| perlDreamer | I'm an off-the-curve whacko | 19:37 |
| perlDreamer | few are as whacked as me | 19:37 |
| perlDreamer | except for you | 19:37 |
| @rizen | every time i think about contributors i think, how do i get more colins | 19:39 |
| perlDreamer | tuba playing church webmaster perl bigots are rare | 19:41 |
| perlDreamer | especially chip designers who have crappy jobs with lots of spare time for daytime hackery | 19:43 |
| @rizen | hehe | 19:43 |
| @rizen | so true | 19:44 |
| @rizen | maybe there are others where you work | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | Well, there's a python bigot across the hall | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | And one guy who builds cars from scratch | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | (not at work) | 19:44 |
| @rizen | i could send you some t-shirts, gooeys, and wg stickers so you can start a covert webgui contributors group where you work | 19:44 |
| @rizen | they don't have to be coders | 19:44 |
| perlDreamer | I'll start with Tim and Peter! | 19:45 |
| @rizen | article writers, template designers, documentation writers, etc are all welcome | 19:45 |
| @rizen | must go get food now | 19:45 |
| -!- rizen is now known as rizenishungry | 19:45 | |
| perlDreamer | I don't know man | 19:46 |
| perlDreamer | Eating is the number one contributor to obesity | 19:46 |
| perlDreamer | Causes gas | 19:47 |
| perlDreamer | Think of how your water bill would shrink if you could throw away that toilet | 19:47 |
| perlDreamer | medical studies have shown that a lower metabolism (caused by reduced food intake) extends life | 19:47 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Yay, all I have to do is ad a method for the drag and drop reorder of questions and the questions should be mostly done in the survey. Then cut and paste a lot of code for the questions. Do the survey load and survey save. And then I'm mostly done with the survey edit part of the project. And since the WebGUI and survey display should be more like normal CGI dev, it shoudl go fast. Maybe by Friday this thing can be in Alpa :D | 20:10 |
| perlDreamer | people won't ever run a test suite on a production database, right? | 20:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | /for the questions/for the answer types/ | 20:10 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 21:14 | |
| nuba | perlmonkey2: eating less, working out.. jeesh! | 21:22 |
| nuba | weirdo | 21:22 |
| nuba | oops, that was for perlDreamer | 21:22 |
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| perlmonkey2 | yeah, I do the opposite. | 21:22 |
| nuba | yeah, eating out, working less, sounds much better ;) | 21:34 |
| perlDreamer | works for me :) | 22:27 |
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| perlDreamer | I love Test::Deep | 22:56 |
| nuba | deep love? | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | deep test love | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | It provides a way to check that an element in a data structure is a number along with a fudge factor | 22:58 |
| perlDreamer | so that it makes it easy to compare times | 22:58 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5253 /WebGUI/ (lib/WebGUI/Session/Id.pm t/Session/Id.t): | 23:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add a method that returns the regexp used to validate generated GUIDs. This should | 23:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: prevent the regexp from proliferating all through tests and code. | 23:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Also, add a test for the method, which just checks that it returns a regexp. | 23:03 |
| perlDreamer | preaction: Hey buddy, got your ears on? What's your 10-20? | 23:04 |
| perlDreamer | I've been looking at PassiveProfiling and wondering how bad the impact would be of using getLineage instead of the SQL query in addPage | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest89: what's up? | 23:11 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, don't make the switch | 23:18 |
| @rizen | it will be worse | 23:18 |
| perlDreamer | ok | 23:19 |
| perlDreamer | I've been reading WGBP and thinking a lot about encapsulation and DRY | 23:20 |
| * perlDreamer solemnly swears not to let the air out of wG's tires. | 23:21 | |
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| wgGuest11 | Hello everyone | 23:24 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: Hello | 23:24 |
| perlDreamer | Do you have a question to ask | 23:24 |
| wgGuest11 | I do | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | Well, let's have it, man! | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | Don't be shy | 23:25 |
| perlDreamer | Sail it on out here. | 23:25 |
| wgGuest11 | For some reason typing from IE it's extremely slow, so please bare with me | 23:25 |
| wgGuest11 | In our company, we have users authenticating via NT domain. Can NT authentication be added to WebGUI 0.8.0? | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | Yes, but it would take a custom Authentication plugin | 23:28 |
| perlDreamer | Also, WebGUI is at version 7.4.xx, the WRE is at 0.8.0 (and currently at 0.8.1) | 23:29 |
| wgGuest11 | you can tell I'm new to this | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | It's not a problem. | 23:31 |
| perlDreamer | We were all new at one point | 23:31 |
| wgGuest11 | Is there any custom plugin created? That you know of. I thought I saw something about that on the forum but for version 6 | 23:32 |
| @rizen | version 5 had one | 23:32 |
| @rizen | called SMB auth | 23:32 |
| @rizen | but it would need to be rewritten | 23:32 |
| @rizen | to match the 7.x auth system | 23:32 |
| @rizen | it used to be included in webgui, but everyone ditched NT domains for active directory domains a long time ago, so we got rid of the module | 23:33 |
| perlDreamer | well, almost everyone :) | 23:33 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:33 |
| wgGuest11 | What can you suggest I do? I not a programmer. Experts-exchange? :) | 23:34 |
| @rizen | hire plain black to make it | 23:35 |
| @rizen | experts exchange likely won't help you becaue they aren't familiar with webgui | 23:35 |
| @rizen | you need to hire a webgui specialist | 23:35 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer consulting might be able to help you out too | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | I've heard that perlDreamer consulting is booked up through mid February with Commerce and Book work | 23:36 |
| perlDreamer | besides, Plain Black knows the Auth stuff inside and out | 23:40 |
| wgGuest11 | Do you any idea how much something like that would cost? | 23:57 |
| --- Day changed Wed Jan 09 2008 | ||
| * perlmonkey2 thinks .oO(If you have to ask) | 00:00 | |
| nuba | maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em | 00:02 |
| nuba | :D | 00:02 |
| wgGuest11 | "maybe an arm, maybe an arm and a leg, you'll have to ask 'em " Don't scare me please. | 00:04 |
| wgGuest11 | :) | 00:04 |
| nuba | hehe | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest11: it would take a while to look at, but offhand/unofficially/don't quote me I would say it would be several k$ as an outer bound. | 00:08 |
| nuba | myself, i can ensure you, and you can quote me on that, that zero dollars will certainly be a lower bound :) | 00:09 |
| wgGuest11 | 2 , 3 , 4? I just need to have an idea if it's worthless or if I should wait until we migrate to AD. Also, can LDAP be used with NT? Maybe using OpenLDAP? | 00:09 |
| nuba | i think there's no chance they'll ask for less than zero dollars | 00:10 |
| wgGuest11 | "or less than zero dollars " ???? | 00:10 |
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| nuba | sorry im feeling a bit comic today. thats what happens when mathematicians act funny. | 00:10 |
| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:10 |
| wgGuest11 | don't confuse me more. As a latino, I'm already confused enough. | 00:11 |
| nuba | cool, where are you from? | 00:12 |
| nuba | im from Brazil, but I wouldn't say we are inherently confused | 00:13 |
| wgGuest11 | PR but live in FL | 00:13 |
| wgGuest11 | I know nuba... :) | 00:14 |
| nuba | so, wgGuest11, this channel is mostly a hangout place for people in the webgui community, | 00:15 |
| nuba | some plainblack staffers are around, but im not sure this is the best place to get a quote from them | 00:15 |
| nuba | if none of them replies, your best bet is calling them or sending an email, contacts should be easy to find at the website | 00:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | If I weren't so busy, I would offer to do it for 1 million dollars. | 00:18 |
| wgGuest11 | you are mean | 00:19 |
| wgGuest11 | lol | 00:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | Just betting, I'd say somewhere between 2-4$ | 00:19 |
| wgGuest11 | I was just trying to get a freebie :) I noticed there was something already created for version 6 and I figured why not to ask. | 00:19 |
| wgGuest11 | Can anyone suggest a good starting point to learn Perl? | 00:20 |
| @preaction | perlbot learn perl | 00:21 |
| perlbot | http://learn.perl.org/library/beginning_perl/ | 00:21 |
| perlDreamer | go Haarg! | 00:22 |
| perlDreamer | He's famous now. | 00:22 |
| @preaction | uhoh | 00:22 |
| wgGuest11 | perlbot learn perl, a book? | 00:24 |
| wgGuest11 | never mind | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | Learning Perl, by Randal Schwartz is a good book to use to learn perl | 00:24 |
| wgGuest11 | how about the blackpearl | 00:25 |
| perlDreamer | I've heard that's good, too, but unless you're a programmer, you may want to start down a notch or two. | 00:25 |
| @preaction | the perl black book is what JT always recommends, but I prefer Learning Perl and Beginning Perl | 00:25 |
| @preaction | Learning Perl is for those who know how to program and want to learn how to do it in Perl. Beginning Perl is for those who don't know how to program | 00:26 |
| @preaction | BP taught me how to program, for that matter | 00:26 |
| wgGuest11 | I started school in Computer Science and then moved to Networking. I know basic of C++, VB .net | 00:27 |
| nuba | you can throw in Mastering Algorithms in Perl, too, if you want to increase the computer science content of your perl studies | 00:28 |
| @preaction | if you know programming concepts already, Learning Perl and Programming Perl (the llama and the camel) are probably your best bets | 00:28 |
| wgGuest11 | http://www.perl101.org/ | 00:29 |
| wgGuest11 | Cool, guys, thanks a whole lot for your help. Take it easy | 00:29 |
| nuba | talking about books, anyone reading MJD's Higher Order Perl? | 00:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | nuba: Actually that reminds me. I ordered that like a month ago and it never showed up | 00:30 |
| wgGuest11 | need books, www.ebookee.com :) | 00:30 |
| nuba | i've just started on it and its good so far | 00:30 |
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| perlmonkey2 | The new surveys will be made up of sections of questions. Can anyone think of any options a section shoudl have besides randomizing the questions it contains? | 00:36 |
| @preaction | required / optional? | 00:36 |
| @preaction | timed? | 00:37 |
| @preaction | (just brainstorming here, up to you of course) | 00:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | the qeuestions themselves have optional options.....I wonder if that should be settable in the section to make it global....I like it. | 00:37 |
| @preaction | probably need a "description" | 00:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | not sure what to do about timed...... | 00:37 |
| @preaction | yeah, timed might be far more trouble than its worth | 00:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | I have a header text, which will all a text to come before a new set of questions. you can have empty sections to have a page just of text seperating questions. | 00:38 |
| @preaction | it'd need a JS timer that would submit with the questions | 00:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: perhaps a little simpler? Just have the timestamp of when the survey was opened and compare the the latest question submission. If time has run out, post "so sorry", if time has not ran out, post normally but with the "time left" data posted for the JS to display. | 00:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | But that might be a survey wide attribute rather than sections.....but I like the way you're thinking. | 00:40 |
| @preaction | right, but then you run into the problem where they don't get to submit what they've completed | 00:40 |
| @rizen | pm2 the second option is probably better | 00:40 |
| @rizen | and can't be cheated | 00:40 |
| @preaction | a la standardized testing | 00:40 |
| @rizen | sections might have section pointers | 00:40 |
| @preaction | i suppose a message, or a periodic submit after questions. perhaps "timer" should be a global thing | 00:40 |
| @rizen | like after you've completed this section, what section do you go to next | 00:41 |
| @preaction | save your progress every once in a while | 00:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | sections will go in order, but question answers can be dragged onto questions in other sections. So you can have three questions in S1 that go to S2, S3, S4, depending on the answer. | 00:41 |
| @rizen | people seem to like colors too | 00:41 |
| @rizen | maybe sections should have a color | 00:42 |
| @rizen | i have no idea why or how you'd apply that | 00:42 |
| @rizen | sorry, just spewing nonsense | 00:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | I mean three answers in S1Q1 so S1Q1A1 goes to S1 etc. | 00:42 |
| @rizen | i'll stop now | 00:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | I like the color idea....in the edit screen was going to make sections a different colored bar in the questions div. | 00:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html only new question does anything for now. | 00:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | also, something is wrong with it in opera....haven't diagnosed. | 00:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll really need your graphics guy. I keep moving the buttons around but can't find a layout I like. | 00:46 |
| @rizen | he's back from vacation | 00:46 |
| @rizen | did you email him? | 00:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | The questions div could grow to hundreds in size. Answers will probably have an upper bound of 20. So there could be a situation where a person has to scroll waaay down to click on a question to edit, then scroll waaay back up to edit it in the edit box. | 00:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | That will be party solved by sections being clickable so that they hide all the questions in them. | 00:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | not yet. | 00:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | but I will tonight | 00:47 |
| @rizen | nice fix | 00:50 |
| @rizen | i like that, the closing sections thing | 00:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Sorry, work. | 01:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | but yes, I hated the idea of hundreds of questions scrolling down forever, so the "tree"-ish sections idea pretty much solves it. | 01:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I'll email your guy when I get home (I don't use my personal email at work). | 01:25 |
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| nuba | any recommendations for javascript debugging? besides firebug.. | 02:02 |
| @apeiron | nuba, I've been using Firebug in tandem with the Web Developer plugin. | 02:03 |
| @apeiron | Although I imagine someone else here probably has a better suggestion. :) | 02:03 |
| nuba | im using both here too | 02:06 |
| nuba | thx anyway, lets see if someone else posts something else.. | 02:11 |
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| cap10morgan_ | in the 0.8.0 addsite script, when it calls $site->create(), it sends parameters named "siteDatabaseUser" and "siteDatabasePassword" but then the create sub looks for params named "databaseUser" and "databasePassword". Is it changing the name somewhere or am I looking at the wrong thing? | 02:29 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm looking at the SVN version, and it's exactly the same there | 02:44 |
| perlDreamer | I'd say it's a bug | 02:44 |
| perlDreamer | good catch! | 02:44 |
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| cap10morgan_ | ah, i see :) | 02:46 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5254 /WebGUI/t/PassiveProfiling.t: beginning to write tests for PassiveProfiling. This is so I can learn how to test Asset->logView | 02:48 |
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| metanil | the name of the template is "style 03" with URL "style_03" .. but the body is referencing "style3/*****.jpg".. | 07:11 |
| metanil | where is folder "style3".. how can i change that jpg file? | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there may not be a folder with that url | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | remember, in WebGUI URLs are decoupled from physical organization | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so then you ask, "Well, how am I supposed to find it?" | 07:12 |
| metanil | yes exactly | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | in admin mode, if you go to that URL, you should get an editing bar for the image, or the edit form | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | also, changing default wG components isn't recommended, since an upgrade could undo your work | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably better to make a copy and work on that instead | 07:13 |
| @preaction | but then he has to change every asset to use his new style | 07:13 |
| metanil | copy means creating another template right? | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:13 |
| metanil | yes i did that. | 07:14 |
| metanil | thats why.. the new template is referecing the old image. | 07:14 |
| metanil | :D | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the name of that thing that lets people edit assets hierarchically? | 07:14 |
| metanil | what should be name of new 'style3/***.jpg'? | 07:14 |
| +perlDreamer | anything you want | 07:14 |
| metanil | as style3 will reference to old want.. | 07:15 |
| @preaction | Edit Tree, or Edit Branch or something | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's it | 07:15 |
| @preaction | there's also a nice wiki article on how to do just about everything to create your own style | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, my brain is shot tonight | 07:15 |
| @preaction | eh, i'm working on 16-hour-day number 2 | 07:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I did something like that once, 16 hour days, 7 days/week for 3 months | 07:16 |
| @preaction | 8 doing normal work and 8 doing things that will make my normal work easier and more efficient | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | It was nuts | 07:16 |
| @preaction | jeesus. i couldn't manage that for more than 3 weeks | 07:16 |
| +perlDreamer | It's a little easier with a wife, aside from not seeing her and my boys, since she can do laundry and cook food | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but we vowed to never do that again | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | ever | 07:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so take it easy on yourself | 07:17 |
| @preaction | ah, remind me to get my live-in girlfriend to start doing her fair share ;) | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise, I'll have to come out to Wisconsin and chew you out | 07:18 |
| @preaction | you'll like what i'm making, trust me | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm patient, I can wait a few more days for it | 07:18 |
| @preaction | oh, btw, did you want your own branch? for anything? | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | not right now | 07:18 |
| @preaction | k | 07:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty tied up with writing a book chapter | 07:18 |
| @preaction | frank gave me next week off to do my last one, thank vishnu | 07:19 |
| +perlDreamer | take advantage of it ;) | 07:19 |
| @preaction | oh i will, it's a chapter on writing Assets, so i expect it'll take the whole week | 07:20 |
| metanil | i got it.. thanks guys.. | 07:20 |
| +perlDreamer | np, metanil | 07:21 |
| metanil | actually my brain was also shot tonight :D | 07:21 |
| @preaction | np, good luck | 07:21 |
| +perlDreamer | time for the board of woe | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | be back in 15 | 07:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | ouch | 07:44 |
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| Bodanel | hello | 09:49 |
| Bodanel | someone present ? | 09:49 |
| metanil | everybody's here... | 09:50 |
| Bodanel | i have a small problem | 09:50 |
| Bodanel | if i forgot about mysql configuration file my.cf and mysql dont start how can i fix the problem | 09:51 |
| Bodanel | ? | 09:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy | 14:22 |
| BartJol | heee | 14:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey bart! | 14:23 |
| +Radix_ | evenin martin, bart | 14:37 |
| BartJol | afternoon Jesse | 14:37 |
| +Radix_ | been ice skating lately? | 14:38 |
| BartJol | nope, but Martin has been skiing | 14:38 |
| +Radix_ | Dutch guy from my work went back home for christmas and said he got to ice skate - was pretty cool he said. | 14:39 |
| +Radix_ | cool | 14:39 |
| BartJol | yeah, it was possible, but I was busy doing notthing | 14:39 |
| +Radix_ | heh | 14:40 |
| +Radix_ | I miss the beers from delft - managed to get a bottle of Weinerstephan Krystal here, but it's not the same as what it was like when i had it with you guys | 14:42 |
| BartJol | well, you're always welcome | 14:42 |
| BartJol | or otherwise maybe at the WUC | 14:43 |
| +Radix_ | yeah, but a bit of a long way to travel for a beer :) | 14:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey radix | 14:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | how are you? | 14:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | miss the netherlands already? | 14:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | than have two beers | 14:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | halves the travel/beer ratio | 14:45 |
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| Bodanel | Hello all | 15:07 |
| Bodanel | can someone please help me with something | 15:07 |
| Bodanel | ? | 15:07 |
| BartJol | maybe\ | 15:07 |
| Bodanel | : | 15:07 |
| Bodanel | ok | 15:07 |
| BartJol | depends on the problem | 15:07 |
| Bodanel | one of my collegues installed wre 0.8.1 but forgot to remove my.cnf file for sql | 15:08 |
| Bodanel | and now sql dont start | 15:08 |
| Bodanel | i dont know how to fix this | 15:08 |
| Bodanel | may you help me BartJol? | 15:09 |
| BartJol | ah, sorry I'm learning right know about installing | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to remove (or rename) the my.cnf | 15:09 |
| Bodanel | ok | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | and run the setup again | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess that'll do it | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | if not | 15:09 |
| Bodanel | yes ? | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | just in stall the wre again | 15:09 |
| Bodanel | ok | 15:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | install* | 15:10 |
| Bodanel | but how i undo the modications that wre already did to my system? | 15:10 |
| Bodanel | or this modifications dont matter? | 15:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | everything the wre installs is under /data | 15:11 |
| Bodanel | so i remove the /data directory | 15:11 |
| Bodanel | ? | 15:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if you want to completely reinstall just remove everything under it. | 15:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | and extract the tra ball again | 15:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | tar* | 15:11 |
| Bodanel | ok | 15:12 |
| Bodanel | thks | 15:12 |
| Bodanel | il try | 15:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i reckon you don't have any live sites in there right? | 15:12 |
| Bodanel | no | 15:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | than that must work | 15:12 |
| Bodanel | i found ou about webgui last week | 15:12 |
| Bodanel | and now i am in process of testing | 15:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i guess just running setup again will do the trick too | 15:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can run setup by starting the wre console | 15:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then goin to the localhost:60???/setup url that's in the docs | 15:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno the port number by hart | 15:13 |
| Bodanel | 60834 | 15:13 |
| Bodanel | :D | 15:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:13 |
| Bodanel | ok | 15:13 |
| Bodanel | il try just to run the setup and if this does not work il try to remove /data directory | 15:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | just follow the install doc | 15:14 |
| Bodanel | thks for your help | 15:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | worked fine for me | 15:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 15:14 |
| Bodanel | and for me | 15:15 |
| Bodanel | but this installation was not done by me | 15:15 |
| Bodanel | it was one of our web developers | 15:15 |
| Bodanel | and he does not know linux so much | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | he should =) | 15:16 |
| Bodanel | it is an old fashion guy | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean he only knows vms? | 15:16 |
| Bodanel | yes | 15:16 |
| Bodanel | :( | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 15:17 |
| Bodanel | he started working in it when windows 3.11 was a state of the art | 15:17 |
| Bodanel | and since then he worked only on windows | 15:17 |
| Bodanel | the systems with linux were installed by the admin who was here before me | 15:18 |
| Bodanel | thks | 15:18 |
| Bodanel | thks agian | 15:18 |
| Bodanel | i am going back to work now | 15:18 |
| Bodanel | by | 15:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | good luck | 15:19 |
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| +Radix_ | Hey Martin - yeah, I miss the netherlands already - was one of my favourite spots that I visited on that trip - mostly because it was so relaxed and easy going and you guys made me feel so welcome :) | 15:37 |
| +Radix_ | As for how I am.. I'm good.. Yumi's looking at buying a house at the moment - so we're pretty excited about that. | 15:38 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Hmm, this is very interesting: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Making-Money-With-Open-Source-Part-1-Turning-Users-Into-Buyers-61083.html | 16:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | Seems like PB already knwos this. | 16:43 |
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| @rizen | quick poll for whomever is listening | 18:42 |
| @rizen | as i design the commerce system the thing that keeps hitting me over and over again is that i either need to store what currency or unit of measurement each monetary unit or weight is entered using | 18:43 |
| @rizen | or i have to assume that the store, will always use the same weight unit or currency type through-out the store, and that way i don't have to keep track of it | 18:44 |
| @rizen | i think the later is the better approach simply because it makes it compatible with any available currency or weight type | 18:44 |
| @rizen | and perhaps more importantly, there's no unit conversion that has to be done (on the fly currency conversion is not easy or cheap to do properly | 18:45 |
| @rizen | so my question is: a) store units of measurement, b) assume units of measurement to be uniform store-wide | 18:46 |
| nuba | i like a) better | 18:49 |
| nuba | how's it re: currency conversion rates, do you have a feed service from somewhere? | 18:51 |
| @rizen | currency conversion rates would require that the store owner purchase a feed from somewhere | 18:53 |
| @rizen | and i'd have to then find some feeds available for purchase and add them into the store | 18:53 |
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| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I think there are free feeds | 18:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Google is probably up to date for most merchants. | 18:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | Just depends on how badarse you want the commerce system. B is probably good enough for 90% | 18:57 |
| @rizen | if i can get it at all from google, it won't be a live feed, and there will be a per day transaction limit, and the user will still have to register for a google key | 18:57 |
| @rizen | my goal is to make it as streamlined as possible for a user to set up a store | 18:57 |
| @rizen | fill out one form and you get your merchant account automatically registered and you're ready to sell | 18:58 |
| @rizen | if i add in all this other bs, then it takes out the streamlining | 18:58 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.bankofcanada.ca/rss/fx/noon/fx-noon-all.xml | 19:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I agree with you. | 19:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | the currency could be a plugin? | 19:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | version 2.0 | 19:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | I like the agile programming guideline of setting a minimum spec and getting it out th edoor, then adding to it as needed. But best to get something out the door first. | 19:01 |
| nuba | another one http://www.webservicex.net/CurrencyConvertor.asmx/ConversionRate?FromCurrency=EUR&ToCurrency=USD | 19:02 |
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| @rizen | from the time i clicked on that link until the time i received a response was approximately 40 seconds. Not fast enough. | 19:03 |
| @rizen | at least not for doing realtime currency conversion into the user's native currency | 19:03 |
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| @rizen | i guess it would be ok if there was a background process that picked up the conversion rate every hour or something | 19:04 |
| perlDreamer | it could be a workflow activity | 19:04 |
| @rizen | background process = workflow activity | 19:04 |
| @rizen | as far as webgui is concerned | 19:04 |
| @rizen | it goes without saying | 19:05 |
| perlDreamer | I'll say no more | 19:05 |
| @rizen | heh | 19:05 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 as far as getting this out the door and then adding to it | 19:05 |
| @rizen | this is a very fundamental change | 19:05 |
| @rizen | it's not something that can just be easily strapped on | 19:06 |
| @rizen | as all objects in the system need to account for it if we're going to do it | 19:06 |
| @rizen | so we might as well get it out of the way now...decide once and for all | 19:06 |
| nuba | another one http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=s,l1,t1,d1&s=EURUSD=X' | 19:06 |
| nuba | this one needs some massaging tho | 19:07 |
| @rizen | yeah, but at least it was fast | 19:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: well.......then I'd go with adding the multiple currencies I guess. | 19:07 |
| @rizen | why though? | 19:08 |
| @rizen | who's going to use that? | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | actually good point. | 19:08 |
| @rizen | i've been looking around the internet for a store that does it | 19:08 |
| @rizen | and haven't found one | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | someone not paying for support won't be large enough to handle international shipping taxes and laws. | 19:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | mini-itx.org | 19:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | pounds and dollars | 19:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | and I think euros | 19:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | but they are hard coded or have a cheesy home brew | 19:09 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.mini-itx.com/store/ | 19:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | but they might be the exception that proves the rule. | 19:10 |
| @rizen | all seem to be sold in pounds | 19:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | you can change the currency type in th eupper right. | 19:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | "reckoner" | 19:10 |
| @rizen | ah | 19:10 |
| @rizen | sorry didn't see that | 19:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | seems like most sites have a different site for each country they deal in. | 19:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | Plus paypal and CC's will handle the currency conversion for you, rihgt? | 19:11 |
| nuba | better now 'http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=sl1t1d1&s=EURUSD=X' | 19:11 |
| nuba | EURUSD=X",1.4664,"12:10pm","1/9/2008" | 19:11 |
| nuba | reqs minimal massaging now | 19:12 |
| nuba | and its fast | 19:12 |
| nuba | wget -O - 'http://finance.yahoo.com/d/quotes.csv?e=.csv&f=sl1t1d1&s=EURUSD=X' 0.00s user 0.01s system 4% cpu 0.133 total | 19:12 |
| nuba | rizen: i found this finance url in Jojo CMS | 19:14 |
| nuba | http://pluginsvn.jojocms.org/jojo_convert_currency/tags/1.0b1/classes/JOJO/Currency.php | 19:14 |
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| perlDreamer | Is the Dashboard on the cutting block? | 19:34 |
| @rizen | not that i'm aware of | 19:35 |
| perlDreamer | The poll on the site made me curious | 19:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | Are there any stats on the number of WebGUI users? | 19:36 |
| @rizen | we (plain black) are aware of around 10,000 webgui deployments | 19:37 |
| @rizen | how many webgui users that makes i don't know | 19:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | That seems largish | 19:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | for an enterprise level CMS | 19:38 |
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| nuba | rizen: how do you want people to add their googlemaps key to the site? | 20:02 |
| nuba | i thought of a '3rd party plugins' tab in settings | 20:03 |
| @rizen | per the spec it should be a property of the asset | 20:03 |
| nuba | and to make it a textarea field, so people can just paste a single key there, | 20:03 |
| @rizen | text field not textarea | 20:04 |
| nuba | or write domain.com herethekeyfordomain1 | 20:04 |
| nuba | domain2 herethekeyfordomain2 | 20:04 |
| @rizen | huh? | 20:04 |
| nuba | i mean textarea, not a single-line textfield | 20:04 |
| nuba | suppose, like plainblack.com and webgui.org | 20:05 |
| @rizen | because you're going to allow for multiple keys? | 20:05 |
| nuba | you need a different key for each | 20:05 |
| nuba | yep | 20:05 |
| nuba | so unless we add some key management feature where people add domain/key pairs | 20:05 |
| @rizen | i suppose then a text area would work, but it might be easier for the user if you searated them into individual text fields 2 each line | 20:05 |
| @rizen | domain and key | 20:05 |
| @rizen | i really don't care though | 20:06 |
| @rizen | just as long as it's an asset property | 20:06 |
| @rizen | i thought about making it global to the site | 20:06 |
| nuba | now theres this thing, i've written a Form::Location too | 20:06 |
| @rizen | but in reality most people will likely only put one or two maps onto their site | 20:06 |
| @rizen | and Form::Location also uses the key? | 20:07 |
| nuba | well actually i think we need to talk a bit | 20:07 |
| nuba | got a few minutes? | 20:07 |
| @rizen | sure | 20:07 |
| nuba | i have a vision in which you could attach location to any thing in webgui | 20:07 |
| nuba | :) | 20:08 |
| perlDreamer | Event calendar | 20:08 |
| @rizen | ah | 20:08 |
| perlDreamer | Wiki page | 20:08 |
| nuba | thats why i wrote WebGUI::Form::Location | 20:08 |
| @rizen | geo tagging | 20:08 |
| nuba | yeah | 20:08 |
| nuba | profiles | 20:08 |
| nuba | whatever | 20:08 |
| @rizen | ok | 20:08 |
| @rizen | well in that case, perhaps your keylist should be specified as a setting in the settings page | 20:08 |
| @rizen | but then in the asset properties, you should provide a note that the key must be set in your settings in order for the maps to display | 20:09 |
| perlDreamer | If I'm kibitzing, please tell me to butt out, but if _any_ user can add a location, would each user need their own key, or would they all use the site one? | 20:09 |
| nuba | my thinking is the site owner sets the site's keys | 20:10 |
| nuba | user wont know it | 20:10 |
| nuba | for the map asset, user would be able to see/add/edit/delete locations based on privileges set at the map | 20:11 |
| nuba | another thing, rizen, i remember you said about porting Keywords to other things besides wikipages | 20:12 |
| nuba | keywords/tagclouds | 20:12 |
| nuba | whats your take on that | 20:12 |
| nuba | ? | 20:12 |
| @rizen | what's my take on what? keywords? | 20:13 |
| nuba | porting it to other things | 20:13 |
| nuba | like events, or posts, etc | 20:13 |
| @rizen | it's already done | 20:13 |
| @rizen | when i built it the keywords system was built directly into assets | 20:13 |
| @rizen | it just needs to be exposed as a user interface | 20:13 |
| @rizen | to each asset type that wants to suppor it | 20:13 |
| nuba | oh i didnt see it yet then | 20:13 |
| nuba | well when i thought this Keywords had been just written.. | 20:14 |
| nuba | anyway | 20:14 |
| * perlmonkey2 finally gives up on figuring out a good method for namespacing his JS objects. | 20:14 | |
| nuba | i thought if could be nice if you could add locations to anything the same way you could with keywords | 20:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | function question function answer function whatever shall now be globally namespaced to trample on whomever is included with the same name. | 20:14 |
| ckotil | adding a UI to add additional keywords will be great. | 20:15 |
| ckotil | bc i have seen some cases where the indexing script doesnt do a well enough job. | 20:15 |
| nuba | then i thought what this is doing is like "annotating content" | 20:16 |
| nuba | you enable an "annotation" of the type Keyword, then enable another "annotation" of the type Location | 20:16 |
| ckotil | you can use the summary/synospsis for that. | 20:16 |
| ckotil | or even add more meta data. | 20:16 |
| @rizen | nuba, i'm not in favor of adding a location field to every asset | 20:17 |
| ckotil | i added a new metadata field to all of my assets recently. with the goal of creating customized views for our documentation system. which sits inline with our website. | 20:17 |
| @rizen | some assets could certainly use it | 20:17 |
| nuba | me too, not to every asset. | 20:17 |
| @rizen | like the ones you mentioned | 20:17 |
| @rizen | but it shouldn't be a property of WebGUI::Asset | 20:17 |
| nuba | whats the best way for that, then? | 20:17 |
| @rizen | but keywords are a property of WebGUI::Asset | 20:18 |
| @rizen | for any assets that could use a location, there should be a location property added to them | 20:18 |
| @rizen | as far as i see that right now, WebGUI::Asset::Event is the only one for sure | 20:19 |
| @rizen | others may be useful | 20:19 |
| @rizen | like Article | 20:19 |
| @rizen | and WikiPage | 20:19 |
| nuba | ok the second part is how to make sense of that location property | 20:19 |
| @rizen | but certainly not things like Navigation, or Image | 20:19 |
| nuba | ie. exposing the location in geocoded RSS is great | 20:19 |
| perlDreamer | How about Photo? | 20:20 |
| nuba | yeah | 20:20 |
| @rizen | photo could definitely use a location | 20:20 |
| perlDreamer | Post? | 20:20 |
| nuba | maybe | 20:20 |
| @rizen | probably not post | 20:20 |
| nuba | depends on whats the collab asset being used for | 20:20 |
| @rizen | yeah, and the collab is already too big | 20:20 |
| @rizen | so i don't want to add more shit to it | 20:20 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:20 |
| perlDreamer | Would there be a macro version so that you could use maps in the user profile? | 20:21 |
| perlDreamer | or other operations? | 20:21 |
| nuba | my motivation in writing this all is for a content gallery (mainly photos) to be plotted in a map | 20:21 |
| @rizen | you shouldn't need a macro for the user profile | 20:21 |
| nuba | thats what picasa is doing now | 20:21 |
| nuba | flickr too | 20:21 |
| @rizen | yeah, i can totally see that | 20:21 |
| perlDreamer | but that would be in the Gallery, not the CS | 20:21 |
| @rizen | the photos in the gallery, and eventually videos once the plugin is made | 20:22 |
| @rizen | should have a location | 20:22 |
| nuba | job postings? | 20:22 |
| nuba | travel blogs? | 20:22 |
| @rizen | if there was a job object sure, but not in the collab | 20:22 |
| @rizen | the collab needs to be refactored into several systems that are derived from collab | 20:23 |
| @rizen | so that this sort of specialty stuff can be added | 20:23 |
| @rizen | without clutter | 20:23 |
| nuba | would it be possible to exist a matrix where you could have 'keywords, location' as columns, assets as lines, and checkboxes ? | 20:23 |
| nuba | so dynamically enable/disable types of "annotations"? | 20:24 |
| @rizen | anything is possible, but how about you start with getting the mapping system done first | 20:24 |
| nuba | heh | 20:24 |
| nuba | im getting it done | 20:24 |
| @rizen | i also want to build an online auction system too, but i think i better get the commerce system done first | 20:25 |
| nuba | and what is your comment about that matrix i just said? | 20:25 |
| nuba | if you could have pluggable types of "annotations" to be enabled/disabled, using class::insideout? | 20:26 |
| @rizen | the comment i just gave you is all you'll get from me until i see a completed mapping system checked in with tests, documentation, i18n, and templates into svn | 20:26 |
| nuba | so you wont even allow for a sounding board and discuss the idea? | 20:27 |
| @rizen | sure, go ahead and discuss all you want | 20:27 |
| nuba | boy i was so excited when i saw a pattern in keywords and my location idea | 20:27 |
| nuba | and thought of bringing it up | 20:28 |
| @rizen | i don't like commenting on a future that is more than 3 months out | 20:28 |
| @rizen | too much is variables | 20:28 |
| nuba | ok | 20:29 |
| @rizen | s/s// | 20:30 |
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| cap10morgan | you know what would be cool? a generic JSON consumer asset that reflected the JSON into template variables | 20:36 |
| cap10morgan | and then you could get JSON from web services, other external applications, etc. | 20:37 |
| @rizen | that would be cool, but i have an even cooler idea, that i'll probably never get to | 20:37 |
| cap10morgan | hahaha | 20:37 |
| @rizen | i want to build a "Data Handler" asset | 20:37 |
| @rizen | it would have a protocol handler | 20:38 |
| @rizen | and a format handler | 20:38 |
| @rizen | and then would be able to grab data from http, ftp, filesystem (protocol part) | 20:38 |
| @rizen | oh...and sql | 20:38 |
| @rizen | and then the format handler would be able to parse the resulting data set (xml, rss, json, DBI result set, etc) into a list of template varaiables | 20:39 |
| cap10morgan | oh, yeah, that would be cool | 20:39 |
| cap10morgan | what if you made it so that existing assets could be chained? | 20:40 |
| @rizen | and since we're talking super pipe dream, optionally tie it into the graphing system | 20:40 |
| cap10morgan | so the report-type assets could be protocol handlers | 20:40 |
| @rizen | huh? | 20:40 |
| cap10morgan | and the display-type assets could be format handlers | 20:40 |
| cap10morgan | so you could say, here's a web service client asset, and it spits out json (or whatever) | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | he wants asset pipelines | 20:41 |
| cap10morgan | and here's an article that consumes it and displays it | 20:41 |
| cap10morgan | yeah | 20:41 |
| cap10morgan | or a calendar, or whatever | 20:41 |
| @rizen | and while you're at it, here's your cake, and you can eat it too | 20:41 |
| cap10morgan | hahaha | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | Haarg: are you around? | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | Is the Textarea also using yui-ext? | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | no, it is using the correct path - extjs | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | Thanks. I'll be more careful with my ack'ing next time | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | the calendar was including a bunch of js files it didn't need | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | and they were using the wrong path to boot? | 20:45 |
| @rizen | nuba: not true | 20:45 |
| @rizen | textarea is using yui-ext for the draggable sizing | 20:45 |
| nuba | ? | 20:49 |
| perlDreamer | I think he meant me | 20:49 |
| perlDreamer | and _I_ really meant to say extjs, which the Textarea doesn't use. | 20:50 |
| @rizen | yui-ext, extjs, Ext...all the same thing | 20:52 |
| @rizen | don't care what you call it | 20:52 |
| @rizen | but textarea is using it | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | Textarea uses extjs for resizing. the calendar was trying to include that too, but had the wrong path (yui-ext). additionally, it didn't need it. | 21:04 |
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| perlDreamer | wgGuest87: back so soon? | 21:28 |
| wgGuest87 | yea | 21:29 |
| wgGuest87 | firefox wasnt loading the chat correctly :P | 21:29 |
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| spanishinquisitn | question for you guys | 21:30 |
| spanishinquisitn | when I upload an image using the new image asset | 21:30 |
| spanishinquisitn | its only showing a 481b file | 21:30 |
| spanishinquisitn | and its not actually there... | 21:30 |
| spanishinquisitn | any idea what is causing it? | 21:30 |
| spanishinquisitn | because its only doing it SOME of the time | 21:31 |
| nuba | is there anything in your webgui.log ? | 21:32 |
| spanishinquisitn | it says permission denied - | 21:37 |
| spanishinquisitn | so its a permissions issue | 21:37 |
| spanishinquisitn | but why does it work some and not other times | 21:37 |
| perlDreamer | the permissions are changing in the filesystem? | 21:38 |
| spanishinquisitn | I'm not a linux guy so I don't know what would cause that.... especially since no one has touched the computer | 21:39 |
| spanishinquisitn | but if its a webgui thing permissions should be fine | 21:39 |
| ckotil | might need to perform a chown apache:apache -R /data/WebGUI/www/public/ | 21:41 |
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| ckotil | grr. asset doesnt exist, yet it thinks its locked. | 22:47 |
| perlDreamer | asset doesn't exist in which table? | 22:47 |
| ckotil | it tells me all that in the front end. | 22:47 |
| ckotil | im poking around in the backend, and not having much luck either. | 22:47 |
| perlDreamer | for problems like that, you have to use the db | 22:48 |
| ckotil | the url is. 'iunoc' | 22:48 |
| ckotil | so i run thi. 'select * from assetData where url = 'iunoc'; | 22:48 |
| ckotil | returns empty set. | 22:48 |
| perlDreamer | so how does it act like it is locked? | 22:48 |
| ckotil | webgui tells me so in the frontend. | 22:49 |
| ckotil | is asset table the only place lock's are set? | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | there are 2 asset tables | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | asset and assetData | 22:49 |
| ckotil | right. | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | locks are in asset | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | urls are in assetData | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | the assetId is the common link between them | 22:50 |
| ckotil | right. | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | so, I would say that you have something cached by assetId, which says that it is locked. but since the url doesn't exist you can't access it | 22:50 |
| perlDreamer | try clearing the cache and see if that helps | 22:50 |
| ckotil | ok, good idea. | 22:50 |
| ckotil | 2.5MB's!!! | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | big cache | 22:51 |
| ckotil | largest i ever saw the cache. | 22:51 |
| @rizen | 2.5 mb or gb? | 22:52 |
| ckotil | MB | 22:52 |
| @rizen | cuz i've seen caches grow to almost a gig | 22:52 |
| ckotil | Permission Denied! | 22:52 |
| ckotil | This Asset is locked for editing under a version tag different from the one that you are using. | 22:52 |
| ckotil | yikes. thats huge. | 22:52 |
| perlDreamer | any uncommitted versionTags? | 22:52 |
| ckotil | yes, a few, but this particular asset isnt in any of them. | 22:53 |
| ckotil | i should just commit these tags. | 22:53 |
| ckotil | theyve been outstanding for a month. | 22:53 |
| ckotil | bastard users. | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | hehe | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | BUFH | 22:53 |
| ckotil | ;) | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | now that would be a story worth reading | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | BOFH vs BUFH | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | who will win? | 22:54 |
| ckotil | phew. | 22:54 |
| perlDreamer | better? | 22:54 |
| ckotil | that worked. commiting 3 old version tags. | 22:54 |
| ckotil | yes. | 22:55 |
| ckotil | thanks for the help. | 22:55 |
| nuba | BOFH vs BUFH <-- both lose, competition wins | 22:55 |
| perlDreamer | kind of like Alien vs Predator? | 22:55 |
| nuba | competition as in other places where BOFHs and BUFHs aren't busy in war | 22:55 |
| nuba | yeah | 22:55 |
| ckotil | O's can snubb out the U's | 22:58 |
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| perlDreamer | crap | 23:21 |
| perlDreamer | I think I bricked my Sansa | 23:21 |
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| wgGuest01 | hello everyone | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | hello '01 | 23:38 |
| perlDreamer | Do you have a question? | 23:39 |
| metanil | could it be possible to put a link 'edit' in the side of the title ? | 23:39 |
| perlDreamer | Do you mean instead of the toolbar? | 23:39 |
| wgGuest01 | how is the AD authentication set up on WebGUI? not sure how to set up LDAP. | 23:39 |
| metanil | ya not in 'admin mode on' | 23:39 |
| perlDreamer | Editing requires being in Admin mode | 23:40 |
| perlDreamer | so even if you show the link it wouldn't work | 23:40 |
| metanil | but putting a link like ...?func=edit will switch to admin mode, isn't it? | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | No | 23:41 |
| metanil | really? | 23:41 |
| metanil | i'll try again | 23:41 |
| @preaction | you don't need to be in Admin Mode to edit an asset, really | 23:41 |
| @preaction | just need ?func=edit | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | really? | 23:41 |
| @preaction | Admin Mode just exposes the interface to those pages | 23:41 |
| @preaction | and adds the Admin accordian | 23:41 |
| perlDreamer | huh! | 23:42 |
| wgGuest01 | zzzZZZ :) | 23:42 |
| @preaction | i find Admin Mode to be an annoyance for small changes | 23:42 |
| metanil | i think i can edit without explicitly going into admin mode | 23:42 |
| @preaction | wgGuest01, LDAP is something that doesn't even have a decent Wiki article. i've never had to set one up, and those who do usually get help from Plain Black Support | 23:42 |
| ckotil | ive tried to setup LDAP a few times. | 23:42 |
| ckotil | failed miserably each time. | 23:43 |
| @rizen | the webgui admin guide shows you how to do it | 23:43 |
| ckotil | we dont have a production LDAP server yet, so it isn that big of a deal for me... yet | 23:43 |
| ckotil | the book I gotta buy? | 23:43 |
| @rizen | yup | 23:43 |
| ckotil | cool. | 23:43 |
| ckotil | it'd be nice to have a production LDAP server. leopard server would tie into it nicely i bet. | 23:44 |
| ckotil | which would then allow me to kerberize the damned thing. which would work nicely for ical server! | 23:44 |
| ckotil | ical server is pretty depressing overall. | 23:44 |
| wgGuest01 | if I have users on AD and I want them to use their username and password from AD or have WebGUI authentica automatically with the user's account, is LDAP what I need? | 23:44 |
| ckotil | it works great with the ical client, but thats it. sunbird is a hassle to get it working. | 23:44 |
| metanil | preaction: do u know how to put an edit link on the side of the title? | 23:45 |
| @rizen | 01: yes, use LDAP with AD | 23:45 |
| @preaction | metanil, just adding ?func=edit to the url should work | 23:46 |
| wgGuest01 | are the users going to be able to open the intranet page and get automatically signed into webgui? | 23:46 |
| metanil | preation, yes.. but i want it to be appear on side of the title. | 23:46 |
| metanil | automation would be even great! | 23:47 |
| @rizen | 01: no, webgui does single login (one username across all systems), but not single signon | 23:47 |
| @preaction | metanil, you'd have to alter the template | 23:49 |
| metanil | hmm.. | 23:50 |
| metanil | i think i got it.. | 23:50 |
| @preaction | remember to copy the template and make changes to your copy, then make your asset use the copy. changing default templates may cause problems when you update | 23:50 |
| wgGuest01 | I need to be able to show pages, links, menus based on the user/group permissions. For example, I want to have a main page for every one, and only show certain info to accounting that maybe HR can't see. How can that work with single sign login? | 23:50 |
| @preaction | wgGuest01, you don't need SSO for that. you just need Groups. anybody who's not in the "Group to View" an asset will not be able to see that asset | 23:51 |
| ckotil | the same way it wold work with normal login. you would require a user to be in group XXX to view an asset. | 23:52 |
| ckotil | then you can get really fancy with <tmpl_if's | 23:52 |
| @rizen | and you can even tie your LDAP groups to your webgui groups | 23:52 |
| @rizen | that's also explained in the WebGUI Admin Guide | 23:52 |
| ckotil | ohh. i want that. | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | buy it! | 23:53 |
| ckotil | im already at the store ;) | 23:53 |
| perlDreamer | Good man | 23:53 |
| wgGuest01 | right, but I'm trying to avoid having another password for the users to remember. | 23:53 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: Do I still get a commission? :) | 23:53 |
| @rizen | they won't have another passwrod | 23:53 |
| @rizen | they'll use their windows AD username and password in webgui | 23:53 |
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| @rizen | perhaps you're confused about the difference between single login and single signon | 23:54 |
| @rizen | single signon means that you log in to windows | 23:54 |
| @rizen | and you're automatically logged into webgui | 23:54 |
| @rizen | single login means you log into windows | 23:54 |
| @rizen | and you still have to log into webgui | 23:54 |
| @rizen | but you use the same username and password to do both | 23:54 |
| ckotil | sent the message to my secratary to order the book. she'll place the order in the mornig. | 23:56 |
| ckotil | with that. im heading home. later all. | 23:57 |
| perlDreamer | I wish _I_ had a secretary | 23:57 |
| perlDreamer | she could write code so that I could write more tests | 23:57 |
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| metanil | what is the current article url?? is it <tmpl_var pageUrl> ?? | 00:00 |
| perlDreamer | ^PageUrl; works | 00:04 |
| wgGuest01 | sooo, if someone log in to windows they will log in to webgui and depending on the way I set up their user access they'll be able to access what I want them to access? | 00:04 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest01: yes | 00:04 |
| @preaction | metanil, the online help has all the template variables everywhere, along with friendly descriptions | 00:06 |
| perlDreamer | Yes, and as rizen said, you can setup LDAP so you only have to set up the access in one "realm" AD vs WebGUI | 00:06 |
| wgGuest01 | great | 00:06 |
| wgGuest01 | now I don't have to pay a leg and an arm ;) | 00:06 |
| perlDreamer | No, you don't because you don't have to install SharePoint or anything else | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | but you can help support wG by buying the Admin guide/ Content Manager's guide and other stuff | 00:07 |
| wgGuest01 | or get a custom NTLM module ;) | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | since that's how Plain Black stays afloat | 00:07 |
| perlDreamer | right, or get a custom NT auth module, or resurrect the old SMB one | 00:08 |
| wgGuest01 | how 7K for a custom module sound? | 00:08 |
| wgGuest01 | it hurts | 00:08 |
| wgGuest01 | I'll wait to migrate to AD in two months | 00:08 |
| perlDreamer | I agree, but it's better than buying CAL packs from MS | 00:09 |
| wgGuest01 | :) true | 00:09 |
| wgGuest01 | My company will get the complete support from PlainBlack for the first year and we'll go from there. We might not need after the first year everything but the online support. | 00:10 |
| perlDreamer | That's very wise. Get trained with all the basics, then step down to the level you need | 00:11 |
| wgGuest01 | Right, I'm an Asst. System Admin, not a web developer. This will help me to get my skills sharpen, specially perl. | 00:12 |
| perlDreamer | Maybe, but the real thing to think about is being able to put editing and content management tools out in the hands of your users, instead of having to do it all yourself. | 00:12 |
| perlDreamer | You may not even need to learn perl, although I'd recommend it. | 00:13 |
| wgGuest01 | I love FireBug, it will help me a lot to understand CSS, etc. | 00:13 |
| wgGuest01 | I like the challenge :) | 00:13 |
| wgGuest01 | Finally, do I have to add every single username in AD to WebGUI manually? | 00:19 |
| perlDreamer | I've never really used LDAP/AD, but if there isn't a workflow activity that does it, there is a script to do it | 00:20 |
| perlDreamer | called userImport | 00:20 |
| wgGuest01 | great | 00:22 |
| wgGuest01 | How do I change my username (wgGuest01)? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | use /nick <newname> | 00:22 |
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| wgGuest01 | lol | 00:22 |
| wgGuest01 | cool | 00:22 |
| wgGuest01 | thanks | 00:22 |
| @preaction | or you can use a proper IRC client to connect to: irc.freenode.net #webgui | 00:22 |
| @preaction | then you don't have to use that Java POS | 00:22 |
| wgGuest01 | user /nick geeKinpuT | 00:23 |
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| geeKinpuT | duh | 00:23 |
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| perlDreamer | I think we're going to like him | 00:24 |
| @rizen | um | 00:25 |
| @rizen | methinks he may be the new ehab | 00:26 |
| @rizen | and we haven't even gotten rid of our old ehab | 00:26 |
| @rizen | so that means we have two ehabs | 00:26 |
| @rizen | which may or may not be a good thing | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | I know you don't always appreciate ehab's feedback, but at least he gives _some_ feedback. | 00:27 |
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| @preaction | if they take what they know and propagate it. community advocates, etc... that's a good thing | 00:27 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:27 |
| @rizen | that's a good thing | 00:27 |
| @preaction | had a guy last week who made a forum post and came to IRC, and was nice enough when he got the answer on IRC to reply to his own post with the answer | 00:27 |
| @rizen | as long as they spread what they learn | 00:27 |
| @rizen | see that's cool | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | We need to be sure to encourage all new users to be good community members | 00:28 |
| @preaction | we lead by example | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | Yeah, so long as I don't keep giving people the wrong answers to their questions it will be fine :) | 00:28 |
| @rizen | ehab turns everything into a rant about how plain black isn't doing something or other right | 00:28 |
| @rizen | and for the most part, it's just cuz he's to cheap to buy the things we provide so he can do it right, or to take the time and initiative to learn it for himself | 00:29 |
| @rizen | i like ehab, he's fun to talk to and often has good ideas | 00:30 |
| @preaction | http://www.slash7.com/pages <- fun article on "Help Vampires", which reminds me that we should build some FAQ topics on the wiki | 00:30 |
| @rizen | i just don't like that he's a "give me the world for $0.01 or less please" type of person | 00:31 |
| perlDreamer | I took a class from Amy at OSCON two years ago. | 00:33 |
| perlDreamer | She did well | 00:33 |
| @rizen | THAT'S A GOOD ARTICLE | 00:34 |
| perlDreamer | indeed | 00:34 |
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| SynQ | jahoo! | 00:34 |
| SynQ | nerd time | 00:34 |
| @preaction | unf | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | Howdy, SynQ! | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | Is your beautiful wife pregnant yet? | 00:35 |
| SynQ | nope | 00:35 |
| SynQ | sorry | 00:35 |
| SynQ | direct questions, direct answers | 00:35 |
| @rizen | if she was, it would be with my beautiful baby | 00:35 |
| perlDreamer | Well, you were quiet excited about kids at the WUC. So I had to ask. | 00:36 |
| @rizen | =) | 00:36 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:36 |
| SynQ | :) | 00:36 |
| SynQ | I'm quite exited about the hat sarah found for me | 00:36 |
| SynQ | the one of the butcher | 00:36 |
| BartJol | jeah, and he never stops talking about getting kids | 00:36 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:36 |
| SynQ | at least at my house bart gets to sleep in a bed >:) | 00:37 |
| SynQ | but that's more cause our couch is smaller than JT's :) | 00:37 |
| BartJol | indeed it is | 00:37 |
| SynQ | JT! | 00:38 |
| @rizen | my couch is very comfortable | 00:38 |
| SynQ | I love WebGUI! | 00:38 |
| @rizen | i fall asleep on it all the time | 00:38 |
| SynQ | just had to say | 00:38 |
| @rizen | sweet | 00:38 |
| SynQ | sorry | 00:38 |
| @rizen | now go write six articles about it and get them published in major press junkets | 00:38 |
| SynQ | didn't mean to get mushy or something | 00:38 |
| SynQ | uh | 00:38 |
| SynQ | I could if you got someone to die over WebGUI | 00:39 |
| SynQ | someone has to make a sacrifice | 00:39 |
| SynQ | perhaps Doug? | 00:39 |
| SynQ | we could habashi him? | 00:39 |
| BartJol | ah, that would be me being sacrificed by Koen? | 00:39 |
| SynQ | nope | 00:39 |
| metanil | i can't find template variable in wiki.. any links? | 00:39 |
| SynQ | bart, you are too precious | 00:39 |
| @rizen | template variables are documented in the online help that comes with webgui | 00:40 |
| SynQ | doug whould suit being a sacrifice much better | 00:40 |
| @rizen | i need him | 00:40 |
| @rizen | sacrifice vrby | 00:40 |
| SynQ | he'd tell silly jokes while the blood is pooring from him | 00:40 |
| SynQ | vrby? | 00:40 |
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| BartJol | but he very kindly helped me this week at 3 am | 00:40 |
| SynQ | sorry, vrbsky is too funny | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | well i need vrby too, so sacrifice martin | 00:41 |
| @rizen | or vayde | 00:41 |
| SynQ | we could take one of the sons of rian? | 00:41 |
| @rizen | vayde says he wants to help the community | 00:41 |
| BartJol | shouldn't it be a beautifull virgin? | 00:41 |
| @rizen | so maybe he'd be willing to make a sacrifice | 00:41 |
| SynQ | oh yeah it should | 00:41 |
| SynQ | didn't frank have a doughter? | 00:41 |
| @rizen | vayde might be a virgin | 00:41 |
| BartJol | hows the gooey underwear doing? | 00:41 |
| @rizen | but beautiful.......nah | 00:41 |
| vayde | close enough, with the action I get these days | 00:42 |
| vayde | which altar may I leave my heart on? | 00:42 |
| SynQ | that's the spirit! | 00:42 |
| @preaction | the alter of mediocre sorrow | 00:42 |
| vayde | oh, is that all? been there for a while now | 00:42 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:43 |
| SynQ | and there comes the man of my first choice | 00:43 |
| SynQ | or, as I'd like to call him 'habashi man' | 00:43 |
| SynQ | or was it 'hibashi man' | 00:43 |
| @preaction | hibachi i think | 00:43 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:43 |
| SynQ | so 'hibachi man' it is :) | 00:44 |
| SynQ | I'm looking forward to the WUC allready | 00:45 |
| @preaction | is it worse when code doesn't work but you don't know why, or when it Does work and you don't know why? (and you're the one who wrote it) | 00:45 |
| @preaction | surprisingly, so am i. I've been thinking up topics i want to speak about already ;) | 00:45 |
| SynQ | sure | 00:46 |
| SynQ | talk about primary needs, like coffee, sleep, or sex | 00:46 |
| SynQ | or hibachi | 00:46 |
| vayde | I'll have to come in with horror stories about how not to write code | 00:46 |
| @preaction | definately hibachi | 00:46 |
| BartJol | you need Doug? | 00:46 |
| BartJol | mmm, maybe I should move a couple of feet | 00:47 |
| SynQ | I'm sure by now bartjol is really curious about what hibashi is | 00:47 |
| BartJol | sound like raw fish | 00:47 |
| SynQ | not raw | 00:47 |
| SynQ | fried stuff | 00:47 |
| SynQ | fried everything | 00:47 |
| SynQ | your flatmate Janne can learn from that | 00:48 |
| BartJol | :) | 00:48 |
| BartJol | well, but he combines mayonaise with more stuff | 00:48 |
| @preaction | a big hotplate / grill thing in the table, cook comes and fries up steak, vegetables, seafood, rice, everything right there | 00:48 |
| SynQ | and graham can eat from it too | 00:49 |
| BartJol | sounds nice | 00:49 |
| SynQ | he's actually quite good at it | 00:49 |
| SynQ | has graham gained any weight since the wuc? | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | Not according to his picture | 00:50 |
| perlDreamer | oh, btw, Frank has a son | 00:50 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:50 |
| SynQ | who has a doughter then? | 00:50 |
| SynQ | sorry daughter i mean | 00:52 |
| SynQ | damn language | 00:52 |
| @rizen | ryan and kristi just had a little baby girl | 00:53 |
| SynQ | ah | 00:53 |
| SynQ | but the boys deserve a sister | 00:53 |
| BartJol | Koen, you're falling behind | 00:53 |
| @rizen | kristi was the preggo one at the wuc | 00:53 |
| SynQ | I know | 00:53 |
| @rizen | ok | 00:53 |
| SynQ | and a fine looking one too :) | 00:54 |
| @rizen | are you talking about me or her =) | 00:54 |
| BartJol | Koen get me something to drink | 00:54 |
| @rizen | gotta go | 00:54 |
| BartJol | you too JT | 00:54 |
| SynQ | hehe | 00:54 |
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| BartJol | you handsome fellow | 00:54 |
| SynQ | JT, you've got a nice belly too :) | 00:55 |
| SynQ | JT, is sarah around? | 00:59 |
| SynQ | afk | 01:00 |
| SynQ | is it lunch time or something? | 01:00 |
| BartJol | well some people have to work around midnight | 01:02 |
| metanil | where is the source file for template variable controls?? or where this variable is handled? | 01:04 |
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| metanil | template variable 'controls' is for the toolbar. | 01:10 |
| SynQ | I've got a WRE for debian etch | 01:11 |
| @preaction | metanil, controls is usually handled by either Asset::processTemplate, or somewhere in the asset itself with getToolbar(). | 01:12 |
| metanil | one quick question. pageUrl will point to current page whether the article is within inside some other page layout .. if i want to get current article url directly, is there any template variable..? I looked through online help but there is no such thing.. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | you don't want to use the PageUrl macro. you want to edit the asset's view template to use its own url (<tmpl_var url>) to add the edit link | 01:21 |
| SynQ | almost time for bed | 01:22 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot vamp is http://www.slash7.com/articles/2006/12/22/vampires | 01:25 |
| perlbot | added vamp to the database | 01:25 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5271 /WebGUI/ (6 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed) | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add the Widget macro. This enables assets to be widgetized (easily embedded in | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: another page). Usage as such: ^Widget(assetId, width, height, templateId); | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: assetId is the ID of the asset to widgetize, width and height are the size of | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: the iframe, templateId is the template ID of the template to use for the widget | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: itself. This will pop up an icon that shows you some markup to put on another | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: page to embed the asset in widget form. If no template given, will use the | 01:33 |
| perlDreamer | apeiron: how is a widgetized asset different from an assetProxied asset? | 01:36 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, Widgets let you have WebGUI content on a non-WebGUI, possibly static, site. | 01:36 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, widgetbox.com has a large library of examples of the kind of thing that the Widget macro in WebGUI seeks to achieve. | 01:37 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, I'll check it out! | 01:38 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, So say you have a static server, right, and a dynamic server. The dynamic server has a poll on it... you widgetize the poll, stick the markup on the static server, and voila, dynamic on static. :) | 01:38 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5272 /WebGUI/t/PassiveProfiling.t: | 01:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Rework the PassiveProfiling test to use newly created macros. | 01:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add coverage for addPage in the tests. | 01:48 |
| perlDreamer | another module bites the dust | 01:49 |
| @preaction | woot! | 01:50 |
| @preaction | coverage++ | 01:50 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer++ | 01:50 |
| @preaction | unless you mean some other form of "bite the dust" | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | Nope | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | Although... | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | I did think of a way to make it run faster | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | addPage calls add in a loop | 01:50 |
| perlDreamer | it should send the list of assetIds to add, and add should do a prepare, loop -> execute on data | 01:51 |
| perlDreamer | it should be faster that way | 01:51 |
| metanil | the page in the admin mode is not the same in normal mode. is it due to cache? (i just change the template) | 01:52 |
| perlDreamer | metanil: that should be cache related | 01:52 |
| metanil | i clear the local cache.. but that doesn't sovle the problem. | 01:53 |
| metanil | and i've also restart both modproxy and modperl. | 01:53 |
| metanil | on the server | 01:53 |
| @preaction | Version Tag | 01:54 |
| @preaction | did you read the article on How to Give WebGUI Your Own Style? it has a lot of useful information for working with webgui | 01:54 |
| perlDreamer | That's in the wiki, right? | 01:55 |
| @preaction | yeah | 01:56 |
| metanil | thats great article.. i solve by clearing cache | 01:58 |
| perlDreamer | clearing cache on the server? | 01:58 |
| metanil | yes | 02:08 |
| metanil | i mean in webgui itselt | 02:08 |
| perlDreamer | The visitor cache can be quite long, which is why it's bypassed in admin mode. | 02:09 |
| metanil | anybody know what profileField("uiLevel") will do? could this be accessed through template level using template variable? | 02:09 |
| perlDreamer | metanil: You need to spend some time with the wiki | 02:09 |
| perlDreamer | that's all described in there | 02:09 |
| metanil | oops | 02:09 |
| perlDreamer | 'salright | 02:09 |
| perlDreamer | btw, I've only been wrong twice today | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | If I'm wrong again, I'll eat my words and write the wiki page | 02:16 |
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| metanil | groupidadminuser is groupid for admin .. but what is groupidadminuseradd?? | 04:09 |
| metanil | users to allow to add other users? | 04:10 |
| @preaction | hold your mouse over the name of the permission on the settings page, it describes what it does | 04:10 |
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| spnishinqusition | anyone here have webgui installed on mac osX ? | 15:36 |
| dapperedodo | yes | 15:40 |
| dapperedodo | on an intel mac with leopard | 15:41 |
| spnishinqusition | have you previously installed on linux as well? | 15:41 |
| dapperedodo | yes on debian | 15:45 |
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| spnishinqusition | which did you find easyier to install and setup on? | 15:56 |
| spnishinqusition | easier* | 15:57 |
| dapperedodo | on the mac, that was precompiled | 15:57 |
| dapperedodo | On debian I had to do it from source | 15:58 |
| dapperedodo | But the Debian now also has a precompiled version | 15:58 |
| spnishinqusition | well i have it installed on a mac - but it tends to give me problems from time to time | 15:59 |
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| dapperedodo | I did not have problems so far on both installs | 16:00 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings! | 16:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | Salutations. | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | greasings | 16:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 16:16 |
| SDuensin | :-) | 16:21 |
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| wgGuest33 | hello | 17:18 |
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| wgGuest33 | I like to upload a picture by the collaborative system and you do not get off the resolution? | 17:19 |
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| wgGuest33 | hello | 17:21 |
| wgGuest33 | someone knows? | 17:22 |
| ckotil | can you clarify the last part of your question? | 17:37 |
| wgGuest33 | when i up an image for the collaboration system this is bad | 17:40 |
| wgGuest33 | down the resolution | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you mean that your image is automatically scaled to a lower resolution? | 17:41 |
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| wgGuest33 | yes | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | chage the max image size in the setting panel of the admin console | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | that should do it | 17:42 |
| wgGuest33 | ok, wait a minute | 17:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | I've been reading about FOSS businesses, and it seems that the norm is 2% paying customers out of total users. Does that sound reasonable for WebGUI? | 17:45 |
| @rizen | no | 17:46 |
| @rizen | we're at about 20% | 17:47 |
| @rizen | and that number is growing year after year | 17:47 |
| @rizen | very slowly | 17:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | that is frik'n nuts......that is HUGE! | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | that a 1000% improvement =) | 17:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | so you guys are like FOSS rock stars when it comes to making money off of FOSS? | 17:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | too cool | 17:49 |
| wgGuest33 | this max size image that is? | 17:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you upload an image to your site which has a width, height (or both) that is larger than the number you enter in the max image size box | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | webgui will scale the image down to that number | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | the number is in pixels | 17:57 |
| wgGuest33 | Then I suggest that value to put | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you don't want wg to scale your images | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | just set that value to 100000 or some other insanely high value | 18:00 |
| wgGuest33 | mmm the size image is 139 pixels | 18:02 |
| wgGuest33 | then why happend? | 18:02 |
| wgGuest33 | when i upload the image for the ftp, this not happen | 18:02 |
| wgGuest33 | but when i do for the collaboration system, yes | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | i do not understand what you mean | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the collaboration system also has its own max image size | 18:04 |
| wgGuest33 | nop | 18:04 |
| wgGuest33 | no | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | to change that edit your cs and go to the display tab | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you set the value to 0 it'll used the sitewide default | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not it? | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are aware that a thumbnail is generated right? | 18:05 |
| wgGuest33 | yes | 18:05 |
| wgGuest33 | in the box thumbnail i have 139 | 18:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | so what is the problem? | 18:06 |
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| wgGuest33 | When upload an image is generated by FTP and the html image does not drop the resolution, but when the upload system for collaboration that its low resolution | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | first there is no ftp inside webgui | 18:10 |
| wgGuest33 | i know | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | secondly what is your max image size setting | 18:11 |
| wgGuest33 | 100000 | 18:11 |
| wgGuest33 | and the image that upload is 139 pixels | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, but that's the thumbnail right? | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it also 139 px if you click on the thumbnail? | 18:12 |
| wgGuest33 | also | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | then i dunno... | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | what version are you running? | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | and what's the url of the image that has been scaled down? | 18:13 |
| GeeKinpuT | Can someone explain how the databases for WebGUI work? Are they saved on the data\wre folder? Can they be viewed using MySQL Administrator. | 18:13 |
| wgGuest33 | version 7.4.15 | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | geekinput: they are saved somewhere in the /data/wre/.../var folder | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you cpuld prolly connect to them using your mysql admin tool thingy | 18:15 |
| @rizen | http://www.webgui.org/dev/db-schema | 18:15 |
| wgGuest33 | http://www.supernotariado.gov.co/home/elementos-interface/sistema-colaborativo-banners-izquierdo/portal-de-contratacin#cvuLoidMmhM3UTqKn8AhPw | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | well, maybe you've hit a bug. | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you reproduce the behaviour on demo.webgui.org? | 18:19 |
| GeeKinpuT | do they have a size limit? Can they be optimized? The reason I ask is because I want to put a lot of documents, forms, eventually video training, etc. I wasn't sure what get saved on the databases and what goes to a directory. I wan't to make sure I have enough room on the server. | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if so, please submit a bug report on webgui.org/bugs | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | collateral data is saved to the filesystem | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | stuff like files and images that is | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: are the wuc talks digitized yet? | 18:21 |
| @rizen | no | 18:22 |
| @rizen | we won't digitize until we have a video plugin for the gallery | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:23 |
| @rizen | because we don't want to digitize twice | 18:23 |
| @rizen | so if you want to volunteer to write that | 18:23 |
| @rizen | then we'll digitize | 18:23 |
| @rizen | =) | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i could do that | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you volunteer to do my graduation for me | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:23 |
| @rizen | unfortunately i overestimated the free time that our devs (including me) were going to have | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | same here | 18:23 |
| @rizen | so i thought we'd be able to get it done early in the year | 18:23 |
| @rizen | but it's looking more like summer or after before we can get the video plugin done | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:24 |
| @rizen | unless some client comes along to pay for it | 18:24 |
| @rizen | or someone volunteers | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's that suposed to look like? | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | flv format? | 18:24 |
| @rizen | i'm really sorry about that, cuz i'd love to have webgui tube up | 18:24 |
| @rizen | it will probably be flv | 18:24 |
| @rizen | but it might also be mpeg | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:24 |
| @rizen | for swf | 18:24 |
| @rizen | it just depends upon which player we decide to go with | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | it seems like a cool project | 18:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Since JS apparently can't use a '~' in a function name, what would be a good standard for calling destructors? | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | when i have time again and still think it's cool i'll let you know =) | 18:25 |
| @rizen | ok | 18:26 |
| @rizen | i also think it is cool | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | the thing is | 18:26 |
| @rizen | and if i didn't have to prepare speeches for all the trade shws andother talks | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | this.delete? this.fubar, this.eraseme, this.free, this.mylastday, this.!malloc? | 18:26 |
| @rizen | as well as write the commerce system | 18:26 |
| @rizen | i'd do it | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | i need something like that for the koornbeurs | 18:26 |
| @rizen | this.DESTROY | 18:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's on the todo stack for a long time already | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: hah, why didn't I think of that | 18:27 |
| GeeKinpuT | is this for suse wre-0.8.1-sles-10_sp1-ia32.tar.gz? | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | guess so | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: one last question | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | would the gallery be usable under 7.4.x/ | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | or at least easily backportable? | 18:29 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:29 |
| @rizen | well it should be | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:29 |
| @rizen | cuz it just uses normal webgui subsystems | 18:29 |
| @rizen | nothing new was developed for it | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | no fancy new stuff | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:29 |
| GeeKinpuT | I was wondering if it works with OpenSuSe. Can anyone suggest linux distro to run WebGUI? | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | i use ubuntu or debian | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | both work fine | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | and | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can also compile it | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | on my laptop it only takes abot 40 minutes | 18:30 |
| @rizen | plain black deploys on RHEL and CentOS | 18:31 |
| @rizen | so if you want something that's guaranteed to work, those are good choices | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think the best distro to use webgui on is the one you feel most comfortable with | 18:31 |
| @rizen | that's a good point | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | if there's no binary for it yet | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | just compile it | 18:31 |
| @rizen | i don't recommend deploying on windows for a production environment though | 18:32 |
| GeeKinpuT | RHEL, but I have to purchase support for it, right? | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | and upload it to sourceforge so other can benefit from you rcompile session | 18:32 |
| @rizen | WRE on windows is very good, but still not as good as the *nix versions | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | since when is windows a linux distro =) | 18:32 |
| @rizen | RHEL is for a fee, but centos is the free version of the same thing | 18:33 |
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| GeeKinpuT | So I would use wre-0.8.1-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz to install on CenOS 5? | 18:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | GeeKinpuT: pretty much. I used the rhel to install on Fedora, without issue. | 18:37 |
| GeeKinpuT | great | 18:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | and centos will be closer to RHEL than fedora. | 18:38 |
| GeeKinpuT | Thanks | 18:38 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5273 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/PassiveProfiling.pm: refactor PassiveProfiling into using placeholders for speedup | 18:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5274 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm: fix pad POD spacing in www_widgetView | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm going home | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | see you guys later | 18:49 |
| perlDreamer | later, MrHairGrease | 18:50 |
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| elnino | hi. quick question. I want to create a form to search a external database on our site. Do I use the "Data Form" or the "SQL Form"? I have a macor that will take the form parameters and display the data for me already. Or do I just write the html in a snippet? | 20:02 |
| perlDreamer | You wouldn't use the DataForm. | 20:03 |
| perlDreamer | If it's an existing database, it might easiest to use the SQL Report | 20:03 |
| perlDreamer | the SQL Form will import other, existing, table (I think), but it adds a whole bunch of stuff to it. | 20:04 |
| perlDreamer | I'd use the SQL Report | 20:04 |
| perlDreamer | In fact, it can already handle getting form parameters, so you shouldn't need a macro at all | 20:04 |
| perlDreamer | Just the form code, and a submit button. | 20:05 |
| perlDreamer | did all that make sense? | 20:06 |
| elnino | yep. So it sounds like the form code should be in a snippet. I didn't use sqlreport, because the code to display the data was too complex for it. I was hopingn for a user friendly asset to create the search form so that marketing can change it if they want. | 20:07 |
| perlDreamer | Well, as long as you don't mind SQL Report altering the remote table, you can use it | 20:07 |
| elnino | Opps you lost me on the last comment. (Thank you for your quick responses!) | 20:08 |
| perlDreamer | The SQL Report will add version control and several other columns to any table it works with. | 20:09 |
| elnino | you mean sql form... I was under the impress that SQL report is a "display data only" | 20:09 |
| elnino | ... right? or am i messed up? | 20:10 |
| perlDreamer | I don't know about the messed up part :) | 20:10 |
| perlDreamer | Just incorrect as to the SQL Report | 20:10 |
| perlDreamer | SQL Report will do dynamic data display using forms that you build yourself | 20:11 |
| elnino | right | 20:11 |
| perlDreamer | SQL Form will do dynamic input and display using forms that it helps build | 20:11 |
| perlDreamer | and you're right, I mistyped earlier | 20:11 |
| elnino | OK Thanks. I'm followign you now. I appreciate your input! | 20:12 |
| perlDreamer | I'm curious. What do you have to display that the SQL Report won't handle? | 20:14 |
| elnino | oh. I had to take a zip code, and calculate proximity and produce data from that criteria, and the display portion had to reformat incorrectly formated urls and check for existance of images and stuff. It was long ago and painful. | 20:16 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, that's definitely macro work | 20:18 |
| elnino | thanks again, perlDreamer, it's llunch time. bye. | 20:19 |
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| perlDreamer | crap | 20:36 |
| perlDreamer | One step closer to Test::Class | 20:36 |
| @preaction | is it really that bad? ;) | 20:39 |
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| perlDreamer | No, I just don't want to spend all that time refactoring tests | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | but I'm sick and very tired of setup code buggering up my test scripts | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | and needing the same asset, user and group setup code in multiple places | 20:40 |
| @preaction | amen to that | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | Maybe it's time now | 20:41 |
| @preaction | want that branch then? | 20:41 |
| perlDreamer | yes please | 20:41 |
| @preaction | k, 5-10 minutes, gotta find out how bad i keep screwing myself by forgetting i have 10-hour processes running in an ssh session without nohup | 20:42 |
| @preaction | then closing my computer down :p | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | you should use screen | 20:42 |
| perlDreamer | it will fix all that kind of stuff | 20:43 |
| @preaction | i should. i should make it a required install on all plainblack servers | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | yes! | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | Actually, I can't think of any PB server I've been on without it | 20:43 |
| perlDreamer | it's standard with RHEL | 20:43 |
| @preaction | plus i usually put "screen -RR && exit" in my .login so i'm always in screen when i login ;) | 20:43 |
| @preaction | that's what i do at home at least, doubt people around here would want to be forced to deal with screen | 20:44 |
| perlDreamer | hm | 20:48 |
| perlDreamer | maybe it's not so bad after all | 20:48 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: I'd like to add another module to the core, Test::Class. How many organs will that cost? | 20:49 |
| @preaction | they're all gone right now, out to lunch. i'm alone in JT's house. imho the obvious benefits outweigh any possible costs: even easier test writing is good for everyone. just the fact of implementing Test::Class will improve our coverage (due to inheritence). it's the Right Thing To Do | 20:50 |
| @preaction | wait. JT's IRC client pings him when JT is said? | 20:51 |
| @preaction | rofl, it DOES | 20:51 |
| @preaction | note to self: saying JT will make his computer make noise, just as rizen will ;) | 20:51 |
| perlDreamer | Did they go to Teddy Wedgers? | 20:52 |
| @preaction | couldn't tell ya. i slept in (slept 2 hours instead of 1 hour) so i got here late, caused a ruckus, and ate on the car ride here | 20:53 |
| perlDreamer | I'm not sure if I agree with the coverage argument. Devel::Cover covers lines of code, so testing a parent and child class that inherits tests the same code (parent) twice. | 20:53 |
| perlDreamer | but it makes sure that the inheritance is set up correctly | 20:53 |
| perlDreamer | which our current tests don't do | 20:54 |
| perlDreamer | but I agree about it being the right thing to do | 20:54 |
| perlDreamer | Maybe he'd open a franchise store in Hillsboro | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | all we have here is Scottish pasties, and they're a plate lunch | 20:55 |
| @preaction | is it like a pot pie? | 20:56 |
| @preaction | those crazy english meat pies? | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, only with no gravy inside | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | You haven't had one yet? | 20:56 |
| @preaction | nope | 20:56 |
| perlDreamer | Here, I'll give you directions | 20:57 |
| @preaction | sounds like something my gf's grandmother made though, she put hamburger and sauerkraut in it | 20:57 |
| perlDreamer | Go out the front door, turn right | 20:57 |
| perlDreamer | to the first intersection, turn left and go down the street past the Church | 20:57 |
| perlDreamer | When you get to the capitol, walk clockwise around the block | 20:58 |
| perlDreamer | It should be on the other side from where you enter, on the outside of the circle | 20:58 |
| perlDreamer | Buy two, and ship me the other | 20:58 |
| perlDreamer | No sauerkraut, they're more like calzones with meat and vegetable/cheese fillings | 20:59 |
| @preaction | that sounds like something i could get the gf to eat. must find a recipe and make some | 21:00 |
| @preaction | (she's a rather picky eater, which frustrates me to no end since I love experimenting in the kitchen) | 21:01 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to the gym, and dreams of TeddyWedgers | 21:01 | |
| @preaction | keep dreamin, pal | 21:01 |
| @preaction | have fun | 21:01 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Can anyone here tell me if 512kbps is good enough upload speed to run a home server with perhaps a little bit of media (I'm thinking of switching my home service to a small business plan that allows servers in the TOS). | 21:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | If I use my home server too often I trigger a port block on 81 and 443, and I've been using my home machine as a test box and keep triggering their "don't use residential as commercial" script | 21:09 |
| @preaction | depends on what you plan on doing. i have 376kbps upstream, i just dont do much on the internet. lucky for me, my ISP doesn't give a rat's what i do. I even got them to stop firewalling me | 21:09 |
| @preaction | just need to get them to allow me to control the reverse DNS for my IP and i'm allllll set | 21:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: "don't do much on the internet". what does that mean? You don't serve a lot of content, or don't download a lot of content? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | otherwise, 512 sounds fine, just don't pay through the nose if you can shop around for a better deal on a less restrictive connection | 21:11 |
| @preaction | i don't serve much high-bandwidth content to the internet | 21:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | Looks like for $80/month I can get 5 static ips, dns serving, TOS says I can run servers, and no blocked ports. | 21:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | at 512 up and 7Mbps down. | 21:11 |
| @preaction | where? from who? where do you live again? | 21:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | I pay $60 now for 16Mbps down and 1Mbps up, but 25, 80, 8080 are blocked and if they see to much outside traffic on any other port, they block it. | 21:12 |
| @preaction | i pay $50 (DSL + phone) for 1.5m/376k | 21:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: Oklahoma city. | 21:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: But is that a static line with servers explicity allowed? | 21:12 |
| @preaction | no, they aren't explicitly allowed since my ISP doesn't care. static IP and if you ask for "bridged mode" you control everything the connection does | 21:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: you must live in a non-metro area with a smaller name hoster.... | 21:13 |
| @preaction | basically | 21:14 |
| @preaction | SLTC (Small Local Telephone Company) | 21:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I have a friend who lives in the sticks and has *much* better TOS on his connection than I could pay for. | 21:14 |
| @preaction | right, but i couldn't get the speed of the connection you described unless i paid $300 a month for Time Warner cable | 21:15 |
| @preaction | they have a "business plan" which sounds worse than anything i've ever heard | 21:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | I only use the 16Mbps down twice a year.....when a fedora release comes out. | 21:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | otherwise I don't view much video and only download a few songs from amazon every blue moon. | 21:16 |
| @preaction | oh, then the $80 sounds like a good idea | 21:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | so 7mbps would be fine for m.e | 21:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | but, back of envelope, to serve a 5MB image at 512kbps would take like 80 seconds. | 21:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | 64KB/s :( | 21:17 |
| @preaction | it's the nature of the beast, internet wasn't built full-duplex, it was built producer-to-consumer. | 21:18 |
| @preaction | nobody realized that it would evolve into this: everyone's a producer | 21:18 |
| ckotil | yah, its too bad. | 21:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | they didn't want it to evolve that way. The late 90's showed all the big ISP's trying to produce all the content so the sheeple would have to consume directly form them. | 21:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | luckily they sucked | 21:19 |
| ckotil | aol and prodigy are the only two i can think of right now. wasn there another big one, compu-something? | 21:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | compuserv? | 21:21 |
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| @preaction | compuserve, yeah. | 21:22 |
| @preaction | in the end, iirc, compuserve and prodigy tried to merge to take on AOL, but then (at least in my area) the small ISPs that offered ISDN and DSL took over. and when cable came it was all over for AOL | 21:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | Yeah, cable just can't be competed with. | 21:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | Around here every time ATT drops their DSL prices, Cox matches their price with twice the bandwidth. | 21:25 |
| @preaction | there are certain operations that, when run from a browser, take a long time and time-out (and then stop running) | 21:31 |
| @preaction | do you think some sort of hook in spectre would work to change that? delay the execution but run it through spectre (which won't time-out, hopefully) | 21:32 |
| @preaction | i mean, huge version tags with lots of storage locations will take 10 minutes + to delete | 21:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: jt * r5275 /branch/colin-experimental: Created colin's branch. Only colin is allowed to commit to this branch. May he use this branch to bring swift death to his foes. | 21:33 |
| perlDreamer | kaplah! | 22:31 |
| perlDreamer | thanks, rizen | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer | Even if you did go to TeddyWedger's without me :( | 22:32 |
| @rizen | nope | 22:32 |
| @rizen | mekongs | 22:32 |
| @rizen | or did you mean some other day? | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer | No, I meant today | 22:32 |
| perlDreamer | What is a mekongs? | 22:32 |
| @rizen | cuz then i've been to casbah and a bunch of other places without you as well | 22:33 |
| @rizen | mekongs is this vietnameese place by my house that rules | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | but you've been here, you know that there are basically 100+ amazing restaurants within walking distance of my house | 22:34 |
| perlDreamer | Yes | 22:34 |
| @preaction | main reason i want to move here :p | 22:34 |
| @khenn | apeiron wants to move here as well | 22:34 |
| perlDreamer | I thought khenn lived in a different here than rizen, et. al. | 22:35 |
| @khenn | only the cool people live in the Madison area | 22:35 |
| @khenn | I live only 30 minutes from Madison | 22:35 |
| @khenn | just about a suburb =p | 22:35 |
| @preaction | laugh. calling Janesville a suburb :p | 22:36 |
| BartJol | delft is also nice | 22:37 |
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| @rizen | delft is pretty nice | 22:45 |
| @rizen | but if i moved to holland i'd probably go to amsterdam | 22:45 |
| BartJol | what?! | 22:45 |
| @rizen | been to both, but liked the hustle and bustle of amsterdam more | 22:45 |
| @rizen | delft was a little too laid back for me | 22:45 |
| BartJol | yeah, ok | 22:46 |
| BartJol | but now I'm doubting whether I allow you to sleep on my couch | 22:46 |
| BartJol | dissing Delft, shame yourself | 22:46 |
| BartJol | :) | 22:46 |
| BartJol | but you're right, it's a bit of a suburb | 22:47 |
| @rizen | you'd let me have your couch | 22:47 |
| BartJol | and there is no red light district in Delft | 22:47 |
| @rizen | if nothing else i can call in the iou you left when you used my couch =) | 22:47 |
| BartJol | well, if a plan to buy another anyway | 22:48 |
| BartJol | but mine is a bit smaller | 22:48 |
| BartJol | but finally i managed to install wre and webgui today, victory! | 22:49 |
| BartJol | i should feel ashamed, for not being enough nerd | 22:49 |
| perlDreamer | no, you should be proud of yourself that you're learning | 22:50 |
| BartJol | yeah, now the next step, programming a macro or something like that | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | you could write a test, too | 22:51 |
| perlDreamer | much easier than writing a macro | 22:51 |
| BartJol | ah | 22:52 |
| * perlDreamer goes to a meeting. grrr | 22:52 | |
| BartJol | what kind of test? | 22:52 |
| BartJol | oh, bye colin | 22:53 |
| perlDreamer | on second thought, write a macro, then I'll teach you how to test it | 22:57 |
| perlDreamer | that would be even better | 22:57 |
| BartJol | ooh, sounds nice | 22:58 |
| BartJol | there was some topic on a kind of addKarma function, so I was thinking of writing something for that | 22:59 |
| @apeiron | Macros are easy. If you can do HTML, you can do macros. :) | 23:01 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5276 /wrebuild/wre/lib/WRE/Spectre.pm: | 23:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: WRE::Spectre::getPriorities was processing the report data incorrectly, causing | 23:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: false positives. Fix this. Lesson of the day: Don't Be Clever. (PBP pg. 453) | 23:03 |
| BartJol | well a bit of html is not out of my limits | 23:03 |
| BartJol | I was talking about http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/website-referral-program#rcI4lRnABODsdixksvxf0g | 23:05 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, you're giving yourself more work? | 23:48 |
| @rizen | are you crazy? | 23:48 |
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| BartJol | hi Mr | 23:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart! | 23:50 |
| BartJol | yeah that's me | 23:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 23:51 |
| BartJol | working tomorrow? | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 23:52 |
| BartJol | gezellig | 23:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | beer tomorrow? | 23:52 |
| BartJol | yes | 23:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | gezellig | 23:53 |
| BartJol | to celebrate my first wegbgui install | 23:53 |
| * MrHairgrease starts practicing for tomorrow already | 23:53 | |
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| nuba | the only difference between http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wobject/asset-migration-guide and porting-wobjects-to-webgui-version-7 is that titles are numbered in the former | 00:50 |
| BartJol | mm I saw something strange, might be a caching problem, but I refreshed a couple of times and cleared the cache | 00:52 |
| BartJol | in 7.4.20-> admin console-> users->profile | 00:52 |
| BartJol | the option button browse for a photo is in dutch | 00:53 |
| BartJol | and everything else is in english | 00:55 |
| BartJol | the text is "Bladeren" | 00:55 |
| BartJol | but in i18n, cat * |grep Bladeren doesn't show anything | 00:55 |
| nuba | looks like the dutch are invading webgui surreptitiously | 00:56 |
| BartJol | I did install the dutch package | 00:56 |
| BartJol | yeah, Koen want to take over PB since JT got more results while googling themselves | 00:57 |
| nuba | did you find any beer when you opened the package? | 00:57 |
| BartJol | well, there is some next to my laptop and some in my stomach | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart try `grep -R laderen *` from the lib dir | 00:58 |
| BartJol | it's thinking | 00:59 |
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| BartJol | well, looks ok, probably the caching anyway | 01:07 |
| BartJol | will look again tomorrow | 01:08 |
| BartJol | well, going to sleep | 01:09 |
| BartJol | bye | 01:09 |
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| metanil | currently i cannot send and receive mail within WebGUI. any links that discuss about this? | 01:38 |
| metanil | i think i need to create smtp server on my machine. | 01:39 |
| metanil | i've got main::[[undef]] - Couldn't connect to mail server: localhost error in webgui.log | 01:53 |
| perlDreamer | rizen: BartJol is part of the Dutch team. He's like family. I'll teach him testing. | 02:13 |
| perlDreamer | or were you talking about someting else? | 02:13 |
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| metanil | why "photo gallery" and "request tracker" assets redirected to Collaboration System? | 02:35 |
| metanil | wiki says its content prototyping | 02:37 |
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| perlDreamer | metanil, those are content prototypes, specially preconfigured Collaboaration Systems that are setup as a Photo Gallery and Request Tracker | 02:46 |
| +Radix-wrk | the collaboration system is incredibly flexible - so it's used for several things - just using different templates. | 02:46 |
| metanil | hmm.. i am exploring it.. | 02:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | Yeah, as PD said, they're prototypes | 02:47 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can create your own prototypes too - I have one in my system called Flash Gallery that I've set up using my own custom template | 02:47 |
| metanil | have link? | 02:48 |
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| +Radix-wrk | link? | 02:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | I haven't shared it as it's kinda specific to how we do things | 02:48 |
| metanil | oh.. thats ok | 02:49 |
| +Radix-wrk | our webserver has a small internet link, so we tend to use a us host to store all of our larger files/data/downloads on | 02:49 |
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| +Radix-wrk | So I created a flash gallery template that expects the files to be in a certain location on our remote server :) | 02:50 |
| metanil | thats ok .. just want to see other prototypes | 02:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | http://www.formsys.com/maxsurf/videos | 02:50 |
| +Radix-wrk | that's an example of it in use if you wanted to see it | 02:51 |
| +Radix-wrk | it works great - as our developers can easily create flash movies of our software and just upload it and describe it and don't have to worry about the html/flash side of things | 02:52 |
| +Radix-wrk | we use it all the time now to show off new features and as part of our online training videos | 02:52 |
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| +Radix-wrk | the nice thing about that template is it has all the styling embedded into it.. two tone colouring, picture borders and drop shadowing, play button, etc | 02:55 |
| +Radix-wrk | templating is where webgui really shows it's flexibility and power imho :) | 02:58 |
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| +Radix-wrk | whoah.. party in the WG house.. everyone's on tonight! | 02:59 |
| +Radix-wrk | just need PD and you'll have a who's who of webgui online :) | 02:59 |
| metanil | great! | 03:08 |
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| metanil | why its not showing the security tab (while editing article) even i'm in Admin group?? | 03:58 |
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| metanil | I cannot see security tab while editing page layout.. actually i change the owner of that pagelayout to current users... is this a problem? | 04:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | bah, all these PHP CMS's tick me off. | 04:43 |
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| metanil | anybody know how to change the rank of asset in asset manager? | 05:08 |
| metanil | oops.. we can do it easily by drag n drop.. | 05:15 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:58 |
| AMH_bob | Indeed. | 15:59 |
| SDuensin | At least it's FRIDAY morning! | 16:00 |
| +Radix_ | for you maybe :) | 16:07 |
| +Radix_ | Friday is almost over here ;) | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 16:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I must be suffering from friday afternoon brainlessness | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I try to add a field to the edit func of a custom asset | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | but for some reason i don't get it to work | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | here it is: http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3d855703 | 16:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've done this a million time before but it just won't show up this time | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | no errors or whatever | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | the readOnly field just doesn't show up | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | anybody an idea? | 16:24 |
| SDuensin | Sure you're editing in the right place? I do that a lot - edit in a backup copy or a test directory and not my live file. | 16:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | positive | 16:25 |
| SDuensin | That's all I got. :-( | 16:26 |
| * SDuensin isn't a WebGUI API guy. | 16:26 | |
| +MrHairgrease | I am | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the worst part | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | I must be screwing something up | 16:26 |
| SDuensin | hehehe | 16:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I just cannot find it | 16:27 |
| nuba | restarted apache, or using Apache2::Reload ? | 16:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 16:30 |
| nuba | could it be missing the -name ? | 16:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i know what's wrong now | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I suck | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | Subroutine getEditForm redefined at .... | 16:33 |
| * MrHairgrease is banging his head againt the wall | 16:33 | |
| nuba | heh | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is not funny!!!! | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:34 |
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| GeeKinpuT | hello everyone!!! | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi geekinput | 16:55 |
| GeeKinpuT | I just installed CentOS and I'm on the firewall screen, and I was wondering if I have to pick www(http) from the trusted services in order to run WebGUI or any other service. | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to use webgui you should obviously open port 80 | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | the wre also uses port 81 and 3306 | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but connects to those through localhost | 16:57 |
| GeeKinpuT | so I don't have to pick anything but the www service? | 16:57 |
| GeeKinpuT | do i have to have MySQL and mod_perl previously installed, or do they get added with WRE? | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | the wre includes them | 16:59 |
| GeeKinpuT | 10-4 | 16:59 |
| GeeKinpuT | thanks | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | you cannot hgave another mysql on the box you run the wre on | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | also you cannot have an apache on either port 80 and 81 | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's in the docs if I'm correct | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | in /data/wre/docs/install.txt | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | or something like that | 17:00 |
| GeeKinpuT | so pretty much I don't need to have neither apache, mysql or perl installed on the box because the are included with WRE, right? | 17:00 |
| +Radix_ | yup | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can have perl installed | 17:01 |
| +Radix_ | don't need it tho | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | depends on your distro | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ubuntu debian need perl to do packagemanagement and other admin tasks | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno if the same applies to centos though | 17:02 |
| +Radix_ | yeah, I think it's hard to avoid perl with centos too, but don't need it by default | 17:02 |
| GeeKinpuT | cool, thanks. | 17:02 |
| GeeKinpuT | C YA | 17:02 |
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| +Radix_ | i noticed that the wre is configured to use port 80 and 8081 now too | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:03 |
| +Radix_ | at least the wre-source is | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:03 |
| +Radix_ | that's what the new wre console uses by default | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case it's 80, 8081 and 3306 | 17:03 |
| +Radix_ | you can pick which ports you want to run them on tho | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the wreconsole uses 60834 | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | by default | 17:04 |
| +Radix_ | I set mine to 80/81 just because it was familiar :) | 17:04 |
| +Radix_ | and configured the distro version of apache (with php, etc) to run on port 82 :) | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i did somethiong similar | 17:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | because I needed a php apache too | 17:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | does anybody know the speed difference between template toolkit and html::template? | 17:37 |
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| ckotil | pretty sure template toolkit is more advanced and allows you to do more | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:46 |
| ckotil | more what i dont really know. havent played with it yet | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | but is it much slower | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | me neither | 17:46 |
| ckotil | im pushing h:t:e as far as it can go right now. | 17:46 |
| ckotil | might have to switch to tt soon | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm still using h::t exclusively | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's a pain | 17:47 |
| ckotil | i bet. | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | in some cases | 17:47 |
| ckotil | i had to do some qwirky things such as make a link a differnet color if it pointed to something that was only viewable by a certain group. | 17:50 |
| ckotil | had to ues h:t:e | 17:50 |
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| teflond0n | anyone here using mac osX for their install base | 18:36 |
| perlDreamer | wG is developed on Mac OS X | 18:36 |
| teflond0n | I | 18:36 |
| teflond0n | I'm having permissions issues on the upload folder | 18:36 |
| teflond0n | sometimes the uploads work - others they dont | 18:36 |
| perlDreamer | have you checked the permissions of the folder and all subfolders? | 18:37 |
| teflond0n | what I need to know is what should the permissions be set for the uploads folder | 18:37 |
| teflond0n | is there a particular "user/group" that needs certain permissions | 18:37 |
| perlDreamer | yes | 18:37 |
| perlDreamer | it needs to be readable and writable by the same user used by Apache | 18:38 |
| teflond0n | so would that be the WebGUI user? | 18:38 |
| perlDreamer | I don't use the WRE, but I would guess so | 18:38 |
| teflond0n | is there a security risk with giving webgui rwx permissions on the uploads folder? | 18:39 |
| perlDreamer | not really | 18:40 |
| teflond0n | what about the wheel group having rwx permissions | 18:40 |
| nuba | check the first column of "ps auxwww | grep /data/wre/prereqs/apache/bin/httpd" if you use the wre | 18:41 |
| perlDreamer | that sounds like it could be a standard WRE setup. It's probably explained in the WebGUI Admin book | 18:42 |
| teflond0n | im not seeing an apache folder in /data/wre/prereqs | 18:44 |
| nuba | teflond0n: i have here the wre 0.7.x | 18:44 |
| nuba | its not the latest | 18:44 |
| nuba | you can use this to find exactly what users are being used by apache (modproxy and modperl) | 18:46 |
| nuba | find /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf -type f | xargs grep -E '^User' | 18:46 |
| nuba | of course you need to adapth the path to your wre setup | 18:46 |
| nuba | afterwards to ajust the ownership do a chown -R username /data/domains/*/public | 18:53 |
| nuba | again, of course adjusting the username and the path accordingly to your local setup | 18:53 |
| nuba | makes sense ? | 18:57 |
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| nuba | hope he got it before timing out... | 18:59 |
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| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI woudln't interfer with apache settings on compressing content would it? | 19:09 |
| perlDreamer | Of course not! | 19:10 |
| perlDreamer | How dare you insinuate that. | 19:10 |
| perlDreamer | Why, is it happening? :) | 19:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | I wouldn't have imagined so as the admin would have to change that setting as far as I understand. | 19:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: No, but I'm looking for all the excuses in the world to move my personal net connection to a static connection, but my upstream gets cut in half when I do that. | 19:10 |
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| dionak | quick question about the isInGroup method in User.pm. Will it return true if the user is in a group that is a member of the groupId passed in? | 22:23 |
| dionak | in other words, parent/child relationships of groups? | 22:25 |
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| elnino | if I do a count of assets of the class "page layout" will that give me the number of pages on my site? | 22:27 |
| elnino | (as a sql query) | 22:27 |
| @preaction | not really. assets don't need page layouts to be a "page" | 22:44 |
| elnino | well. I know we don't have assets as "pages" themselves. So I should be ok. right? | 22:45 |
| @preaction | it will be inaccurate in any case, since "pages" are not really defined in WebGUI | 22:46 |
| @preaction | also, you might want to restrict it to certain sections of the site | 22:46 |
| @preaction | but if it's just a statistic you're looking for, go for it | 22:46 |
| @preaction | all statistics are wrong anyway, but nobody remembers that when they're looking at it | 22:46 |
| @preaction | i mean, each thread in a collab is not part of a page layout, but might be considered a "page" by someone | 22:47 |
| elnino | =) I'm trying tofigure out how many "pages" we have because alot of these 'free indexes" limit it to 500 pages, and I think we're close. | 22:47 |
| elnino | hmm. forgot about those threads. | 22:48 |
| elnino | I should have said that we don't use "article assets" as pages. so I'm thinking if I count page layouts, threads, I should be close. | 22:49 |
| @preaction | Events for calendars too | 22:53 |
| @preaction | and etc... | 22:53 |
| elnino | oh geez. thanks! sneaky little assets. I appreciate your input! | 22:54 |
| @preaction | if you're going for Search Engine Optimization, you may as well stop now. most of it is snake-oil except the part where it comes to implementing the w3c standards and using semantic markup | 22:54 |
| elnino | don't tell that to my mktg person. The seo consultant has been already hired... | 22:55 |
| @preaction | i wish i could be an SEO consultant, they make so much money for doing nothing | 22:55 |
| @preaction | put a stupid link farm on the site, which ends up depressing the Page Rank | 22:56 |
| elnino | =) | 22:56 |
| elnino | my thoughts exactly. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | oh, and yell at your designers for not being semantic | 22:57 |
| @preaction | do stupid things with headline tags, like use h3 for paragraphs, because h3 is "more important to search engines" | 22:58 |
| @rizen | dionak: yes | 22:58 |
| elnino | got that one covered. I insisted that they *didn't* give me the html. I recreated their "design" myself. | 22:59 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: chrisn * r5277 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: Fix Freudian slip in widget entry: s/templatize/widgetize/ | 23:03 |
| @apeiron | http://www.frozen-perl.org/mpw2008/schedule <-- can I have a clone for that day so I can go to both tracks? | 23:07 |
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| elnino_ | I'm trying to implement the Sitemap thingy on our site, and according to the wiki there is a macro called LastModifiedPage. I don't have this, is this a newer macro? I'm using 7.22.* somthing or other. | 23:09 |
| @preaction | it's just called LastModified | 23:11 |
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| dionak | rizen: thanks. | 23:12 |
| elnino_ | Thatn's what I thought. And afer I "fixed" he wiki, I realized that in her example, she is passsing in thhe url - which is not a parameter for the distributed "LastModified" macro that I'm accusom to. | 23:12 |
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| perlmonkey2 | dang, I really need another dev to bounce ideas off of (I'm the only dev at my work). For the JS side of the survey system, each object was responsible for changing all its display characteristics and then clearing what came before. This turned into a mess. Duh, have a display manager that takes a request for display, then tells the requester to display itself and whatever was displayed before to clear itself. One central singleton f | 23:57 |
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| @preaction | anyone here think of any features they'd want in an IRC bot in this channel? i've already thought of RSS Notification (for webgui news, plainblack news). bug and rfe searching. wiki searching (for the webgui help wiki) | 05:01 |
| +Radix_ | message delivery for offline users? | 05:03 |
| @preaction | you can do that already with memoserv on this network | 05:03 |
| @preaction | though only for registered users | 05:03 |
| +Radix_ | Ahh k | 05:03 |
| +Radix_ | I've seen it in other irc servers, not this one tho :) | 05:04 |
| @preaction | i was thinking user lookup if the user's profile was public, but i don't think most people on plainblack/webgui.org realize they (a) have profiles (b) have private profiles | 05:04 |
| @preaction | freenode has seenserv, which i've only seen here | 05:04 |
| @preaction | you can message seenserv seen "nickname" and it will tell you the last time the user was on the network | 05:04 |
| +Radix_ | yeah | 05:05 |
| +Radix_ | Well the features you've proposed are great to me | 05:05 |
| @preaction | might add SVN / repo log polling, so we can get rid of CIA-20 (since it's completely out of our control) | 05:05 |
| @preaction | but CIA-20 does increase exposure for webgui (since it's yet another site the project is registered on) | 05:06 |
| @preaction | oh, i want to add "dig <domain> [@host]" so that we can lookup DNS, and other networking troubleshooting issues | 05:06 |
| +Radix_ | sounds good | 05:07 |
| @preaction | might try to do something like "wg info <domain>" to get information about someone's site, like what version of WebGUI, what version of apache, etc... | 05:07 |
| @preaction | we should add something about the WRE in the WRE's apache's ServerTokens | 05:08 |
| +Radix_ | awesome | 05:08 |
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| metanil | can't we add individual description per image within a Photo gallery. (not just description for group of images).? | 08:27 |
| @preaction | you could make a single post per image, but there's a better way to make a photo gallery: Image assets inside of a Folder. use the "synopsis" field of the Image to make a description | 09:14 |
| @preaction | metanil, of course, there's a proper Gallery asset coming up in 7.5.0, but you'll be able to migrate your stuff from either the "Photo Gallery" (which is a collaboration system actually) or the Folder w/ Images i just described | 09:15 |
| ckotil | nice. | 09:31 |
| ckotil | ive done a simlliar thing w/ the folder asset turning it into a 'file reposity' | 09:32 |
| @preaction | yeah, Gallery will eventually replace that (since Gallery allows more controls over normal users, plus comments, plus a better programming API) | 09:36 |
| ckotil | yeah? sweet. think it could work as a file repository too? | 09:37 |
| @preaction | yes, that's the idea | 09:38 |
| @preaction | that's why it's not called Photo Gallery asset. it will be for files, movies, flash, images, etc... | 09:39 |
| @preaction | i wonder how the Slideshow will be implemented with Flash (but i'm excited at the prospect of having both Flickr AND YouTube with the same Gallery asset) | 09:40 |
| @preaction | slideshow == playlist. users can use the "make shortcut" feature to create their own playlists (for a youtube-style site) | 09:40 |
| @preaction | if someone can do what Viddler did and integrate the comments feature right into the flash player itself, that would be awesome | 09:40 |
| ckotil | sounds awsome. | 09:41 |
| ckotil | im off to bed. night. | 09:42 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5278 /WebGUI/ (5 files in 4 dirs): | 10:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: fix: Mails sent from WebGUI now wrap at 78 characters to prevent a problem with | 10:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: SMTP servers that do not accept lines longer than 998 characters. This is per | 10:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: the SMTP RFCs. Added testing for this fix, still much to test for | 10:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: WebGUI::Mail::Send. Added API method to facilitate testing. | 10:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5279 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (5 files in 4 dirs): backport 5278 | 10:03 |
| @preaction | ok, that is far too much spam... imma make a better bot for that | 10:06 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5280 /WebGUI/docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt: change attribution for bug report | 10:18 |
| metanil | thanks preaction. | 10:24 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5281 /branch/doug-experimental/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:04 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So quiet | 21:34 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Very quiet. | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | sssh, I'm trying to concentrate | 22:35 |
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| perlmonkey2 | heh | 22:45 |
| * perlmonkey2 just finished his 4th rewrite of the sections and questions handlers for the survey system. But I think I've finally found a paradigm I like. Writing good clean JS is harder than I thought. | 23:34 | |
| perlmonkey2 | Anyone interested in looking at it now, here's the link: http://www.lostokies.com:81/javascript/editsurvey.js Drag and drop are active but don't reorder yet. Sections don't open and close their questions yet. And you can't add answers. But hopefully that will all change in a few hours now that I can stop repeating my work. | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, why didn't someone think of integrating perl into the browser 10 years ago? | 23:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: That would be incredible. I sometimes here on #perl6 that perl6 might live in a parrot-clientside interperter | 23:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | s/here/hear/ | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | perl6 will be in a parrot interpreter. Do you mean that there will be a browser plugin for parrot? | 23:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I'm not sure it is a plugin, but integrated into mozilla products which could force it into IE. | 23:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | since parrot will execute JS, Python, etc. | 23:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | it could replace the JS engine. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | sweet | 23:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | more than mere words can describe. | 23:40 |
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| beginwebgui | hello people | 02:51 |
| beginwebgui | i want to show all users profiles on the site. Where should i start as i am beginner to webgui. Do i have to create marcro.. or template variable. However, i can change Operation/User.pm to return the profile. But how can i get them from the website and display?? | 02:53 |
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| beginwebgui | hello people | 05:24 |
| beginwebgui | i want to show all users profiles on the site. Where should i start as i am beginner to webgui. Do i have to create marcro.. or template variable. However, i can change Operation/User.pm to return the profile. But how can i get them from the website and display?? | 05:24 |
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| beginwebgui | i have created a macro which will query the database and return formatted(HTML) results. Couldn't i use this macro in the description of an article asset?. I could use this macro in template but i just want this in a article/"page layout". | 05:40 |
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| Syn2 | oi | 17:06 |
| Syn2 | the WRE rocks! | 17:07 |
| Syn2 | sky high | 17:07 |
| @preaction | amen | 17:08 |
| * preaction & | 17:08 | |
| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m314b0924 | 17:11 |
| Syn2 | does that sound familiar? | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | koen what server is that? | 17:14 |
| Syn2 | that is a new virtual server | 17:15 |
| Syn2 | with wre 0.8.1 | 17:15 |
| Syn2 | and webgui 7.4.20 | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know it's related to a bug i found some moths ago | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | months | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | and that looks like error code i built in | 17:16 |
| Syn2 | ah | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess it comes from the patch i attached to the report | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno what causes it though | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm pretty sure i knew it | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i forgot | 17:17 |
| Syn2 | hmm | 17:17 |
| Syn2 | do you know what bug it was? | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | just grep the source code for Group->new | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | the bug was that wg::group just ignored the fact that the group did not exist | 17:18 |
| Syn2 | ah | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | and just let you do stuff on non-existant groups | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is bad | 17:18 |
| Syn2 | true | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | since it did screw something up indirectly | 17:19 |
| Syn2 | and that bug was fixed in which version? | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | 7.4.something | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it happens the code triggering it should handle it | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it doesn't you'll know because now it returns undef | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | which causes a fatal error if you don't handle it | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | since you cannot excute methods on undefined vars | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | but now i gotta get groceries before the store closes | 17:22 |
| Syn2 | the code is in WebGUI/Group.pm | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | it was added ion rev 4733 | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | by graham | 17:23 |
| Syn2 | ah | 17:23 |
| Syn2 | hmm | 17:23 |
| Syn2 | the strange thing is.. | 17:28 |
| Syn2 | I cannot find out where Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw is coming from | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course b/c it does not exist | 17:28 |
| Syn2 | its not in select groupId from groups; | 17:28 |
| Syn2 | I don't get it | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw is a non-existant groupId | 17:29 |
| Syn2 | WebGUI has to get that id from somewhere | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | hence the rror | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | that can come from a lot of places | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | it adds a line to the log every time I visit a page on that site | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | webgui.procolix.com | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | each time with adifferent id? | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | nope | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | the same each time | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | over and over again | 17:30 |
| Syn2 | I guess it has something to do with importing packages | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's probably the subscription groupId of a collaboration system | 17:31 |
| Syn2 | but there are no collaboration systems on that site | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | or an asset with viewgroup id set to that | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | try something like this | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | select assetId from assetData where groupIdView = 'Ln8bEGAqHJpOmoqQF7OfNw' | 17:33 |
| Syn2 | ok | 17:33 |
| Syn2 | hang on | 17:33 |
| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d72579e17 | 17:33 |
| Syn2 | indeed | 17:33 |
| Syn2 | quite some lines found | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | so what has happened is this | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | you had some group with that group id | 17:34 |
| Syn2 | in the old site | 17:34 |
| Syn2 | probably | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and set the view group of a number oif assets to it | 17:34 |
| Syn2 | indeed | 17:34 |
| Syn2 | and I imported them | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | then at some time you deleted that group | 17:34 |
| Syn2 | from a package | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that must be it in your case | 17:35 |
| Syn2 | and the package import doesn't reset the permissions | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | reset to what | 17:35 |
| Syn2 | would you consider that a bug in the package import? | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:35 |
| Syn2 | reset to a 'default' group | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c there's no way for the import system to know what that default group is | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | after import | 17:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | just do a edeit branch | 17:36 |
| Syn2 | that I understand | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | and set em yourself | 17:36 |
| Syn2 | I will | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you could make it an rfe i guess | 17:36 |
| Syn2 | indeed | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | to let the imported asset inherit the perms of their prent asset | 17:36 |
| Syn2 | an rfe for: warn for non-existant groups when importing | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you wanna know for sure if it's a bug | 17:36 |
| Syn2 | or inherit the perms of the parent indeed | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ask the pb guys | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | :) | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | ok | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | the fastest way for that is just to submit a bug report | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i'm ging to the stre now | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | if it isn't considered a bug the bug report will be closed | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | okie | 17:37 |
| Syn2 | later | 17:37 |
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| Syn2 | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/let-package-import-inherit-permissions | 18:04 |
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| Syn2 | ah | 19:08 |
| Syn2 | re | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | re? | 19:09 |
| Syn2 | re=hallo again | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you on drugs again? | 19:10 |
| Syn2 | if you'd call potter's drugs | 19:10 |
| Syn2 | then yes | 19:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm on pan tostado's | 19:10 |
| Syn2 | I went to the emergency exit yesterday | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | much better | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh crap | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | forgot about that | 19:11 |
| Syn2 | it was fabulous! | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 19:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | I need help on the WebGUI survey. On the DOM side, I have a UL full of LI's indexed on their ID. A section has an id of S# and a question has an id of Q#. Functionally, sections and questions are objects. A section has an array of questions which belong to it (In the DOM, their LI occurs directly below the section's LI. The problem is how best to map the section's array of questions model to the DOM single list model. | 20:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | When you drag a section below another section, the first section should be moved below the last question of the second section, and all the first section's questions should also be moved in order. | 20:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | Hah, the programmers stone is right. Just trying to explain the problem provides key insight to the questioner. | 20:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | The whole thing is simple Since a question knows which section it belongs to (When a new question is added, the highlighted section is used, or if no section is highlighted, the last section), when the user drags a section onto a question belonging to another section, simply move that section and all its questions below the last question in the new section. | 20:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | Does anyone have a better way to move these objects than by deleting the existing dom object and creating new ones, appended to the bottom question node? | 20:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | So if section A was drug onto question 23 of section B, we would tell section A and all its questions to delete their dom nodes. Then we would get the last dom node of question B and tell section A to append itself to that node, and all its questions following. So sections need a method to delete their nodes, then create a new need after a given node. Then loop through all their questions telling them to append to the node in front of | 20:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, I think that will work. | 20:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | But now we need to renumber everything......which will be a nightmare since references to other objects are everywhere. I need to use a different parameter, besides the objects' index, for storing order of presentation. That way referential integrity isn't forever broken because I can't track down every reference to an id, when the id has to change because everything was reordred. | 20:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | So reordering is as simple as after a drag and drop, going from the beginning of the list to the end and updating the order param by adding one to the order param in the previous node. | 20:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | easy | 20:32 |
| Syn2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/ma7ebe24 | 21:29 |
| Syn2 | wre 0.8.1 error | 21:29 |
| Syn2 | ah | 21:30 |
| Syn2 | http://www.webgui.org/bugs/tracker/pdf2txt_pl-points-to-non-existing-prereqs/bin/pdf2txt/1 is the same | 21:30 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:17 |
| BartJol | hi | 16:19 |
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| * perlmonkey2 is completely stuck on the survey module. | 16:46 | |
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| @preaction | perlmonkey2, being completely stuck is a bad thing | 16:49 |
| perlmonkey2 | yes......it sucks.....chased my tail all weekend. | 16:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html add a few questions and sections then tell me the use cases for dragging them around...... | 16:51 |
| perlmonkey2 | questions should belong to sections, and sections just contain a header for the survey section plus metadata for how the questions it holds should behave. | 16:52 |
| @preaction | what if some suit decides that asking about a person's demographics should occur first? or asking question about salary should be before asking their age-group | 16:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | That's the point of making sections draggable. If you have demographics section at the end of the survey, but decide to make it first, you can simply drag it to the top. | 16:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | and all its questoins will go to the top with it. | 16:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | wait....I have a very simple solution.....I'm going to play with tis for a second. every question and section has a unique id. Order is completely ignored until submission, where the order everythign is in is recorded. | 16:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which means I can't have Section 1, I'll just say "Section: sectiontext.substr(1..25)" in the section block. | 16:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | not having to track order when the users are dragging and dropping makes it a billion times easier. | 16:56 |
| @preaction | amen to that | 16:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | But is that okay? Won't users like being able to reference "Question 17" | 16:58 |
| perlmonkey2 | Instead of "in the second section about 20 questoins in, is the multiple choice asking about widgets" | 16:58 |
| @preaction | but if the survey works right, there are questions they might never see, correct? | 16:59 |
| @preaction | so if the numbering is pre-assigned, they'll wonder about the questions they "missed" | 16:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: The survey taker, yes. | 16:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | but this for the survey editor. | 17:00 |
| @preaction | they could both just use the question itself. or if necessary you could assign them a small ID string | 17:00 |
| @preaction | or even keep the numbering, just re-number them each time they're moved around maybe? durno really | 17:01 |
| perlmonkey2 | that's what I've been trying. | 17:01 |
| perlmonkey2 | hmm.....If I just kept the order info local for each section, then I could have two Questions 1's as long as they were in two seperate sections. | 17:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | That would remove the problems I was having of updating every single question's order during a drag and drop. | 17:03 |
| @preaction | ah. so S1Q1 and S2Q1 | 17:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | Bah, the problem is these things take like 2-4 hours to implement in code, until I realize the paradigm is too complex to be really viable. | 17:04 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I like that......It means I only have to update order in the local section (or two sections if the question is drug to another section). but it limits the scope of the effects on the rest of the survey. | 17:05 |
| @preaction | btw, your UI is beautiful and intuitive | 17:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | preaction: You are the first person to say it looks nice....thank you very much. | 17:11 |
| wgGuest53 | Hi! Is this the place to ask questions? | 17:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | yes | 17:12 |
| @preaction | just one of many places | 17:12 |
| wgGuest53 | i was wanting to use the project manager and time tracker. Can that be used to track time for various users? | 17:12 |
| @preaction | uhm... uhmmmmm.... uhhhhhhmmmmmmm..... have you tried them out? played around with them? | 17:13 |
| wgGuest53 | I just installed them and I can see where i can track my time, but can a person log on without admin rights? Maybe that should be the question I'm asking. | 17:14 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i have this one site running 7.3.22 | 17:14 |
| @preaction | yes, people can log on without admin rights if they have an account | 17:14 |
| wgGuest53 | ah. | 17:14 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease, get with the times, man | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and all content in the uploads directories is delivered anyway regardless of the contents of .wgaccess | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea what it can be? | 17:15 |
| @preaction | MrHairgrease, using WRE and mod_proxy instance? | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:16 |
| @preaction | the mod_proxy instance doesn't check .wgaccess | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | aha | 17:16 |
| @preaction | you need WebGUI to do that, and mod_proxy doesn't have WebGUI | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | ic | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i can tell modproxy to deliver the uploads request through webgui right | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:17 |
| @preaction | yes, there should be a line in wre/etc/yoursite.modproxy | 17:17 |
| * MrHairgrease is checking it out | 17:18 | |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | uncommenting it now | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmmm | 17:19 |
| @preaction | you mean commenting? the line should be a rewriterule that stops the proxy from happening | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | crappy wifi | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | keeps dropping my connection | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | # RewriteRule ^/uploads/ - [L] | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | now it works | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | as intended | 17:22 |
| @preaction | good | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | oh | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i see | 17:22 |
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| +MrHairgrease | i meant commenting it out | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | not uncommenting | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's the dutch <-> english thing | 17:23 |
| @preaction | yeah, blame it on the translation ;-) | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the Netherlands i would say i were to 'outcomment' it | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | hence the typo | 17:23 |
| @preaction | not another one of your Dutch "liquid lunches" | 17:23 |
| * MrHairgrease is running to the coffe machine | 17:23 | |
| @preaction | irish coffee? | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | something like that | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | but w/o the coffee | 17:24 |
| BartJol | liquid lunch? where? | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | cause it distracts you from the key point of irish coffee | 17:24 |
| @preaction | outcomment makes sense, since we say "comment out" | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure it does | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is a wrong word | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | uncommenting is not as far as i know | 17:25 |
| @preaction | crazy bavarian compound-words | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | so i just migled that | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm not german | 17:25 |
| @preaction | near enough that their decadent culture is gnawing at your mind ;) | 17:26 |
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| @preaction | (he says as he sits in the middle of red-neck, white-bread, over-religious Amerika) | 17:27 |
| * MrHairgrease thinks preaction should go back herding his cows | 17:27 | |
| +MrHairgrease | or whatever people do in wisconsin | 17:27 |
| @preaction | definately the cows | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:27 |
| @preaction | spoiling milk to make gold | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks for the help | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | i couldn't understand why the uploadhandler wasn't beiong called | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | but now it makes sence | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | sense* | 17:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm totally screwed | 17:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | I just got an email "When do you expect to have the survey system ready for testing/trainign. We need to schedule a visit from a visiting grant sponsor from Sandia labs to train on it." | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | so tell em to schdule it next year =) | 17:29 |
| @preaction | yay deadlines! | 17:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, I like next year ! | 17:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | Once I finish the survey system, how long does it normally take for a new core system, developed outside of PB, to be incorporated? | 17:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | My people want to know how long it will have to be used as a seperate Wobject rather than a core component. | 17:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess this depends a lot on if it is a POS :P | 17:32 |
| @preaction | i believe JT has said that the feature freeze is happening at the end of this month | 17:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | well if it isn't done by then, it probably isn't getting done. | 17:32 |
| @preaction | so probably the 7.6 dev cycle then, which we're starting 6-month release cycles | 17:32 |
| @preaction | the 23rd he said was the first of the beta releases of 7.5, but he said he might give PB a day during our yearly meeting to implement whatever RFEs we want that have bugged us | 17:33 |
| @preaction | so i think features might still be added after the 7.5 releases get started | 17:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | sweet........that is great news. | 17:34 |
| @preaction | i believe we've got the Survey, the Maps that nuba (i think) is working on, and someone is doing the Thingy (but not sure who or the status of it) | 17:34 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm excited about Thingy. | 17:34 |
| @preaction | if that holds true, i might even be able to get the Asset Report into 7.5 | 17:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | No idea what it really does, but it sounds cool. | 17:35 |
| @preaction | as an application, it's huge. from what i understand, it's like MS Access | 17:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | dang........ | 17:35 |
| @preaction | you can create a database, create forms and reports for that database | 17:35 |
| @preaction | create templates for those reports and forms | 17:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | programming logic in the forms? | 17:36 |
| @preaction | dunno | 17:36 |
| @preaction | i would hope | 17:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | so you could say, if answer A go to question 2 if answer B go to question 3? | 17:36 |
| @preaction | i think it's more of a simple database. it's the DataForm, SQLForm, and more rolled into one | 17:36 |
| @preaction | address book, contacts, almost like a CRM, but not that powerful | 17:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh....wow | 17:37 |
| @preaction | dunno what the actual definition of a CRM is, what makes those different from just a database, but whatevz | 17:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | heh | 17:39 |
| @preaction | and the most fun about JS applications inside of asset edit forms: you're already in a form. but you don't know which form, where it is, how it is, or what it contains | 17:39 |
| @preaction | so it's going to be a slew of "getElementsByTagName" and ugly functions to get and set the values i need to get and set... | 17:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | for the Thingy? | 17:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | it is going to be mostly implemented in JS? | 17:42 |
| @preaction | no, i'm not doing the thingy. i'm making the Asset Report, which is inheriting from a generic Report framework | 17:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | ooooohh | 17:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | yes, that sounds painful. | 17:43 |
| @preaction | the Report framework is going to allow multiple views, each view having a different template and style (so you could make RSS feeds with a Report subclass, or XML feeds, or JSON feeds, or whatever) | 17:43 |
| @preaction | i've at least got a decent system in place, just whenever i have to write javascript my brain turns to mush. especially when there are no puzzles left to solve | 17:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh yes....javascript is more tedious than Java. | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | js sucks | 17:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | when I think I've got the arch of the applicatoin figured out, implementing it in JS is like hammering nails into my kneecap. | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you guys know this book | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.amazon.com/Pro-JavaScript-Techniques-John-Resig/dp/1590597273/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200325531&sr=8-1 | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's pretty good | 17:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | nope, I have a 5 year old O'reilly book.....But I don't really need a book much for JS anymore. | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's about the only book that has helped me wrap my mind around how to write readable and maintainable javascript stuff | 17:47 |
| @preaction | i find my JS is becoming a mixture of BSD-style C and PBP-style Perl | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's not the best way to code in js | 17:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I may have to order it then. Does this look maintainable to you? http://www.lostokies.com:81/javascript/editsurvey.js | 17:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has global vars | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | which suck | 17:49 |
| @preaction | yeah, globals are bad | 17:50 |
| @preaction | put them in your namespace instead | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's one thing the book explains | 17:50 |
| @preaction | same with your functions: WebGUI.Survey.functionName = function ( args ) { ... } | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it still have to get my feet wet with large js apps | 17:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: but that makes it a singleton. | 17:52 |
| @preaction | i suppose i might be mad for saying so: you can get away with that, since there will never be more than one survey management system per page | 17:52 |
| @preaction | will there? | 17:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | http://javascript.crockford.com/ | 17:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | This is for editing the survey, so I know it won't conflict, since you'd never edit two surveys, let alone two systems on the same page. | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should read the prototypal inheritance articlke on that page | 17:54 |
| @preaction | and it doesn't have to be a singleton, if you have an object constructor: WebGUI.Survey.Manager, then you can add methods to it via WebGUI.Survey.Manager.prototype.functionName = function ( args ) {...} | 17:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | And for the display, it won't involve much JS. Probably just submit and reload with ajax....but maybe not for version 1. Probably do the survey executation as normal CGI. | 17:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | But then there will only be 1 WebGUI.Survey.Manager. | 17:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | I need a question object for every question created. | 17:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess I could create WebGUI.Survey.Questions and just make all the members arrays, and then question 1 would be found in the zero index of the arrays, q2 in the 1 index, ect. But that sounds backwards. | 17:57 |
| @preaction | that's what the prototype can be used for: WebGUI.Survey.Question = function ( ) { }; WebGUI.Survey.Question.prototype.MethodName = function { ... }; var q = new WebGUI.Survey.Question; q.MethodName <- calls my method | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | the book describes all this stuff | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | in various ways | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | and also how 'this' behaves | 17:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: Look at the Display Manager | 17:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | You are saying I could do var dm = new WebGUI.DM; and dm would contain a second instance of the WebGUI.DM object? | 18:00 |
| @preaction | right | 18:01 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which is cool, but in order to clean up the namespace, you create superfulous instances of objects, since the first instance of WebGUI.DM would never be used. | 18:01 |
| @preaction | in this instance, no, a second instance is not needed | 18:01 |
| @preaction | but as you said, there are multiple questions | 18:01 |
| @preaction | and sections | 18:02 |
| @preaction | sections contain questions, so section objects have question objects inside them. asking a section to draw itself will make the section ask the questions to draw themselves | 18:02 |
| @preaction | which, now that i've been able to actually say this, means that i've been thinking about my javascript all wrong | 18:02 |
| perlmonkey2 | var temp = new WebGUI.DM; //is not a constructor is the error. | 18:03 |
| @preaction | does WebGUI.DM = function () { ... }; ? | 18:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI.DM = function(){ | 18:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | var lastQId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | var lastSId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | var lastAId = -1;//Current Question | 18:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | var lastObject; | 18:03 |
| @preaction | i think you need the () after new WebGUI.DM | 18:04 |
| wgGuest53 | Hi! Question: Say I wanted to edit a line in the In/Out Board module. Can I FTP to my site to do that? or is there a better way? | 18:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI.DM = function(){...}(); is what I have. | 18:06 |
| @preaction | wgGuest53, it's not recommended that you edit WebGUI modules, since an upgrade will destroy your changes. what does the IOB not do that you need it to do? | 18:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I've tried this before. In all the examples and texts I could find online, the only example of objects that can be called with new, are functions. And I've never seen a function that can have a full namespace. | 18:07 |
| wgGuest53 | Where it says: "What's Happening" I would like to say "Expiration Date". I'm using it to show which workers have taken a particular test (in/out) and when their expiration date on their card is. | 18:08 |
| wgGuest53 | so i'm using in/out to say yes/no. | 18:09 |
| wgGuest53 | but i need to change the label "what's happening" to "expiration date". | 18:09 |
| wgGuest53 | does that make sense? | 18:09 |
| @preaction | yes. it sounds like you should be using something else, like a dataform perhaps. otherwise you want to edit the i18n file, since that is where that text is defined | 18:11 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3b3f7f91 <- a proof-of-concept | 18:12 |
| wgGuest53 | ok. i'll try that. thanks! | 18:12 |
| @preaction | i'm not sure if it's "this" or just being called with "new" that causes JS to create an object instance | 18:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: ack....I can't get it to work with the list object syntax. | 18:16 |
| @preaction | pastebin is in the topic, put the problem code there | 18:16 |
| @preaction | perhaps a minimal testcase is in order as well? | 18:16 |
| @preaction | the ##javascript channel on this network has been helpful to me in the past | 18:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d46f1a08d | 18:17 |
| @preaction | when assigning properties to an object you need to use "this", not "var". this.property = "value"; | 18:18 |
| @preaction | nothing is returned from an object constructor | 18:18 |
| @preaction | just the act of calling "new" creates an object | 18:18 |
| @preaction | to assign methods to object, use Object.prototype.Method = function ..., as i did in my code | 18:19 |
| @preaction | Object must resolve to a function, so in your case: WebGUI.DM.prototype.Method | 18:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I thought this and var controlled if it was private or public | 18:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | but I just got it to work. | 18:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | This is so frick'n sweat. I can use the list syntax for object creation and they can actually be real objects callable with new. | 18:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | so I get pretty syntax, full namespaces, and real objects. | 18:22 |
| @preaction | var defines the scope of the variable. once the block that "var" is in ends, the variable is garbage | 18:23 |
| @preaction | it's like my, only not precisely | 18:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I don't like the prototype method......too much like inside out objects. I like the list syntax. | 18:23 |
| @preaction | list syntax is the old way of doing things, prototype method is, from what i understand, the inheritable way to do things | 18:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | good lord it is ugly and defines objects in several statements. | 18:24 |
| @preaction | it defines the methods in different statements, yes. | 18:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | and I shoudl be able to inherit superclasses with this syntax. | 18:24 |
| @preaction | it's more like regular OO-programming, like Perl or Jaa | 18:24 |
| @preaction | true, i guess | 18:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well cool, thanks for the help | 18:26 |
| wgGuest53 | may i ask a question about the dataform? | 18:35 |
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| perlDreamer | whoa | 18:38 |
| perlDreamer | the whole gang's here! | 18:38 |
| wgGuest53 | when listing the data entries, it lists the "entry id":(oHRJt14iGhgjSFkYIFDFjg) instead of the user name. It also lists the "yes/no" response as "1/2". How can I make it report the username and yes/no? | 18:38 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest53, are you talking about the DataForm? | 18:45 |
| wgGuest53 | yes | 18:45 |
| perlDreamer | Have you looked through the freely available online Help to get a list of template variables for the DataForm List Template? | 18:46 |
| perlDreamer | Like, by going into Admin mode, hitting the Help icon (which looks like a ship's lifesaver) | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | Scrolling down to the DataForm List Template Variables entry | 18:47 |
| perlDreamer | and reading through the list of template variables | 18:48 |
| wgGuest53 | ah. ok. thanks. sorry. | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | No problem. | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | As the 1/2 yes/no issue, that sounds like a bug, especially if you're using a default template | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | Please file it in the Report a Bug section on the website. | 18:48 |
| wgGuest53 | ok. thanks. i'll check it out. | 18:48 |
| perlDreamer | be sure to mention what version of wG (not the WRE) that you're using | 18:49 |
| @preaction | i'll bet it has to be 1/2 (and not 0/1) because of HTML::Template (0 is false which won't get properly assigned) | 18:49 |
| perlDreamer | It looks like in the DataForm yes and no are translated from strings "yes" and "no" to 1 and 0 | 18:51 |
| @preaction | that's weird. the WebGUI::Form::YesNo stores them as 0 (no) and 1 (yes). maybe the template has to do the actual showing of "yes" or "no" based on a conditional | 18:53 |
| perlDreamer | maybe. In any case, 1/2 is not right. | 18:53 |
| wgGuest53 | I see the list of template variables. where do I go to use or edit the template? | 19:05 |
| perlDreamer | The easiest way, IIRC, is to edit the DataForm, then flip to the Display tab where the templates are | 19:06 |
| perlDreamer | Next to the Data Form List template, there should be an edit button | 19:06 |
| perlDreamer | now, for working with templates | 19:06 |
| perlDreamer | you should never, ever modify a default wG template, because upgrades may stomp on your changes | 19:06 |
| perlDreamer | Make a copy of that template, change it, and then tell the dataform to use your copy | 19:06 |
| perlDreamer | wgGuest53, you may learn a ton from looking at the Wiki at http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki | 19:12 |
| perlDreamer | and the Content Manager's Guide from Plain Black also covers a ton of these learning WebGUI Issues | 19:12 |
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| xdanger | is there a payment plugint for webgui that you can use in europe? | 20:19 |
| wgGuest53 | I have an issue with SQLFORMS | 20:19 |
| wgGuest53 | when I attempt to create a field in "SQLFORM, ADD/EDIT FIELD" I receive the following error: Problem With Request"We have encountered a problem with your request. Please use your back button and try again. If this problem persists, please contact us with what you were trying to do and the time and date of the problem." Then it logs me out. | 20:20 |
| wgGuest53 | can someone please speak with me about this? | 20:20 |
| wgGuest53 | I've been looking through the forums | 20:21 |
| @preaction | Problem With Request will be in the error log | 20:24 |
| perlDreamer | webgui.log | 20:26 |
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| wgGuest53 | where is webgui.log? | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | usually in /var/log/webgui.log | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | but it depends on your system | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | and if you use the WRE | 20:40 |
| perlDreamer | preaction is right, it's good to check the apache error log too | 20:41 |
| wgGuest53 | I'm being hosted on plainblack server: http://web368.plainblack.net/ but can't FTP into it. any suggestions? | 20:50 |
| perlDreamer | If you're hosted by PB, then you might try the paid support board. | 20:51 |
| wgGuest53 | when i log in at "http://www.plainblack.com/plain_black_support" it shows me as logged in, but tells me: "Permission Denied!" | 20:55 |
| perlDreamer | Are you paying for support, or just hosting? | 20:56 |
| wgGuest53 | I am on the $50/mo - Supported WebGUI Hosting plan | 20:57 |
| perlDreamer | In that case, you should call them and report the problem with not being able to access the support board. | 20:58 |
| perlDreamer | then, after that is fixed, post your SQL Form problem over theer | 20:58 |
| wgGuest53 | cool. is there a phone number i should have access to? | 20:59 |
| perlDreamer | I would guess that the one on the website would work? | 20:59 |
| wgGuest53 | d'oh! thanks. | 21:00 |
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| Syn2 | this one is for JT: http://xkcd.com | 00:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a cool comic | 00:20 |
| Syn2 | :) | 00:23 |
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| Syn2 | when will IRC karma points be introduced? | 00:23 |
| perlDreamer | they already work | 00:24 |
| Syn2 | i got to get more karma than morekarmathankoenandbart | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | ++ Syn2 | 00:24 |
| Syn2 | :) | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: karms Syn2 | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
| perlbot | Syn2 doesn't have any karma | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | Syn2++ | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma Syn2 | 00:24 |
| perlbot | Karma for Syn2: 1 | 00:24 |
| Syn2 | huu | 00:24 |
| Syn2 | that is scary indeed | 00:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | Syn2-- | 00:24 |
| perlDreamer | perlbot: karma | 00:25 |
| perlbot | pass out karma to those who deserve it (GumbyGumby++) and retract it from those who don't (php--) | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | that'll get your feet on the ground again =) | 00:25 |
| Syn2 | SexOnTheBeach++ | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I would never ever give someone called gumbygumby karma | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ever | 00:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | SandInYourAss-- | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:26 |
| Syn2 | would you give carma to someone who has perl in his nick? | 00:26 |
| perlDreamer | nah. guys like that are losers and hacker wannabes | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer++ | 00:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c I like losers and wnnabee hackers | 00:27 |
| Syn2 | hehe | 00:27 |
| Syn2 | I knew you liked me :) | 00:27 |
| perlDreamer | thank you, MrHairGrease | 00:28 |
| perlDreamer | Not only are you an uber-hacker and EuroTrash, you're also a gentleman | 00:28 |
| Syn2 | hehe | 00:28 |
| Syn2 | eurotrash, does that consist at least partly out of belgian beer? | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't forget the ultrahip | 00:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | and what was the other thing again | 00:28 |
| Syn2 | overconfident? | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | Chief Spokesman for Murray's ? | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm chceking the irc logs | 00:29 |
| perlDreamer | Baron of Beer Consumption? | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | sexappeal | 00:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | or however you spell that | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:30 |
| Syn2 | I gotta lie down for half an hour before I embark on a trip of night hacking | 00:30 |
| Syn2 | brb | 00:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: thanks for the chocolates btw | 00:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | they're nice | 00:43 |
| @rizen | you're quite welcome | 00:43 |
| perlDreamer | does anyone know how TT benchmarks vs H::T? | 00:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | i asked the same friday | 00:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | so please relay your findings to me too | 00:53 |
| @rizen | i don't remember where i saw the benchmarks, but when i first decided to go with H::T vs TT it was close to 10:1 difference | 00:55 |
| @rizen | however, we're talking ms here, so in the greater scheme of things, 10:1 isn't noticable on a single page ivew | 00:56 |
| @rizen | it only becomes apparent across the entire site | 00:56 |
| @rizen | the one advantage that TT has over H::T in most situations (but not in webgui) is that it can optionally generate some templates | 00:57 |
| @rizen | template tags that is | 00:57 |
| perlDreamer | http://www.chamas.com/bench/index.html#2000 | 00:57 |
| @rizen | because you can pass in subrefs | 00:57 |
| perlDreamer | TT is slightly faster, but uses 3X the memory | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | who cares | 00:58 |
| perlDreamer | and that comparison is 5 years old | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:58 |
| @rizen | that's not the one i saw | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can imagine that the difference fot h::t is minimal though | 00:58 |
| @rizen | keep in mind that no matter what charts you can find, they won't apply to webgui because webgui was written with HTML::Template in mind, not TT | 01:01 |
| @rizen | so H:T has a big advantage in wg | 01:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | it very well could be | 01:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | but how is wg specifically written for h::t? | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | Don't you just build a hash and shove it into the templating engnie? | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | yeah, what MrHairgrease said | 01:02 |
| perlDreamer | MrHairgrease++ | 01:02 |
| @rizen | because we prebuild a bunch of crap that you wouldn't prebuild for TT | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | i imagine that all template systems in essence just get a gob of data | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | and so something with it | 01:03 |
| @rizen | because for example | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 01:03 |
| @rizen | there's no way to do $a == $b | 01:03 |
| @rizen | in H:T | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i can imagine that if you don't do all those complex things with tt | 01:03 |
| @rizen | but if we were optimized for TT, then we wouldn't do those things | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | it'll be faster than if you do | 01:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | so the difference is prolly not as bad as you say | 01:04 |
| @rizen | you're missing it | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 01:04 |
| @rizen | or i'm not explaining it right | 01:04 |
| perlDreamer | so it's the difference between precompiling stuff that might not be needed | 01:04 |
| @rizen | yes | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 01:04 |
| @rizen | pd gets the cookie | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that overhead is there for h::t to | 01:04 |
| @rizen | but it's not just variables | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm saying | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait a sec | 01:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think you're not getting me =) | 01:05 |
| @rizen | it's also because TT can get sub refs passed into it | 01:05 |
| @rizen | to conditionally process stuff | 01:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 01:05 |
| @rizen | and the other difference is, that TT is loading its ability to do all that other crap | 01:05 |
| @rizen | even though you don't use it in webgui | 01:05 |
| @rizen | whereas H:T doesn't have it, so it doesn't load it | 01:05 |
| @rizen | that's why i say that WebGUI was built with H:T in mind, not TT | 01:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | what i tried to say is that if all the crap is precalculated you don't have to do that in tt | 01:06 |
| @rizen | and why H:T has an advantage in WebGUI that TT doesn't | 01:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | and use tt just like you'd use h::t | 01:06 |
| @rizen | right, that's what we do | 01:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | i understand that still tt would priolly be slower | 01:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it's not as bad as to have and calculate it all AGAIN in tt | 01:06 |
| @rizen | however, if we redesigned things to work with TT natively, TT could definitely get a performance boost in webgui | 01:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: I'm sad to say that I have decided to not follow your advice. I am going to go with the OOP module used in the YUI examples. | 01:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which is kind of a mismatch of literal singletons and namespaced functions. | 01:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | But thank you for the links and help :) | 01:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there an OOP module in the yui? | 01:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you have a link | 01:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: No, there is no module, there is just examples of them using an oop paradigm | 01:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | going yui style is prolly not bad | 01:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | all that stuff is designed by douglas crockford | 01:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is one of the most guru-est js guru's | 01:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | still do you have a link? | 01:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | rizen: anyway, i'm staying with h::t whenever I can | 01:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | however I've gotten fed up with the stuff that it can't do now and then | 01:10 |
| @rizen | mrhairgrease, i'm not advocating H:T | 01:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I figured i'd use tt for that | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | i know | 01:11 |
| @rizen | just stating how things are in webgui, if i had the time and inclination to do it, i'd convert everyting in webgui to tt | 01:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | really??? | 01:11 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: That stuff is designed by crockford? But the link you sent me showed an entirely different style. | 01:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thought you always wanted to prevent building a server pages thing at the core of webgui | 01:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is | 01:12 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen++ for TT | 01:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | he has more styles on that page as well | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in essence js has prototypal inheritence | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | which makes it pretty powerful | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but also very difficult to program in | 01:13 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease, i absolutely do want to prevent webgui from having server page language, but i think i can do that in the confines of TT, and still allow some of the power of TT to those that need it, all without supporting H:T, H:T:E, and TT | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | since its paradigm is so different from the perl's | 01:14 |
| @rizen | which is what we do now | 01:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: this.inherit= superClass; this.inherit([superclassparams); this.superclassmethod(); is that what you mean? | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's his way to wrap a classlike inheritance model around it | 01:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | well, then that is super duper cool because the only thing I have to change in my code is the function constructor line from "function name(){...}" to full.name.space = function(){...}" and everything else is already correct...woot. | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://javascript.crockford.com/inheritance.html | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think it's there | 01:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway the book i mentioned explains all styles | 01:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | did he write it? | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | john resig did | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | the guy that built JQuery | 01:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | then I guess I should order it. | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but crockfords method is mentioned in it | 01:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | as far as i'm concerned it's the only good js book i've ever read | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and i've only read a couple of chapters | 01:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | the rest will come when i have time for it | 01:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | right on.....thanks again | 01:21 |
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| perlDreamer | hey, you can pass H::T subref's, too | 01:41 |
| perlDreamer | that means that we have a chance to lighten the load on some of the bigger templates | 01:41 |
| metanil | how can i get the actual link to get picture from user profile? I can see "photo" field in table userProfileData, how can i convert it into some HTML path.? | 01:54 |
| perlDreamer | where do you want to use this picture? | 01:54 |
| metanil | i want to make a custom profile page that will display information of all users including their personal photo | 01:55 |
| perlDreamer | How about changing the user profile template? | 01:55 |
| perlDreamer | I say that because it's not currently possible to do what you're asking. | 01:56 |
| metanil | huh? is it there.. i don't think there is any asset.. which means a template.. lemme check it out. | 01:56 |
| perlDreamer | it's there | 01:56 |
| perlDreamer | Just be careful, because I'm pretty sure you can't tell wG to use a different one, which means it always uses the default template, so your customizations could be lost in an upgrade to the template | 01:57 |
| metanil | you mean "Default Profile Display template"?? | 01:59 |
| perlDreamer | that sounds right | 01:59 |
| metanil | Is there any existing assets/page that were using it? | 02:00 |
| perlDreamer | templates are used by assets, macros and operations | 02:01 |
| perlDreamer | In this case, it would be the User Profile operation | 02:01 |
| perlDreamer | Nothing else should be using it | 02:01 |
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| metanil | perlDreamer, i can't still figure out how to use that template in some page. | 02:14 |
| perlDreamer | well, technically, you can't, but you can customize the user's profile. I'm sorry if I misled you. | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | So is it just a URL issue? | 02:15 |
| perlDreamer | instead of ?op=viewProfile=Jerry, you like http://mysite/jerry ? | 02:15 |
| metanil | btw, is this work http://mysite?op=viewProfile;uid=GtEOfAf8yGCqrer2MuanOQ? | 02:17 |
| perlDreamer | yes, if the user has their profile to be public | 02:17 |
| metanil | i can | 02:18 |
| metanil | oops | 02:18 |
| +Radix-wrk | you can set it public by default if you want - simply change the visitor user's profile accordingly - but it will not affect existing users - only new users | 02:18 |
| perlDreamer | right | 02:18 |
| perlDreamer | I have an idea | 02:19 |
| perlDreamer | Why don't you make a forum posting with a full, verbose description of what you want to do | 02:19 |
| perlDreamer | That will let a bunch of us read it, think about it, then let you if/how it can be done | 02:19 |
| metanil | but i can see a checkbox that say "make profile public" --> true | 02:19 |
| perlDreamer | Yes, but it's only for you, and for new users | 02:19 |
| perlDreamer | existing users will not be changed by that | 02:19 |
| metanil | weird! why is http://mysite/home?op=auth;method=displayAccount is not working for me? | 02:23 |
| metanil | even for admin account | 02:23 |
| metanil | i should get a page that would allow me change some personal setting right? | 02:24 |
| perlDreamer | what does it say when you try that? | 02:25 |
| metanil | nothing .. just return back to the first page (home) | 02:26 |
| metanil | i guess something is wrong | 02:26 |
| perlDreamer | check your webgui.log file | 02:26 |
| metanil | ........................... main::[[undef]] - Couldn't connect to mail server: localhost .... weird!! | 02:28 |
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| metanil | oops .. no log entry | 02:30 |
| metanil | no error is logged in webgui.log file. | 02:30 |
| perlDreamer | Did you change anything in the site? | 02:32 |
| metanil | yes. i guess. | 02:32 |
| metanil | in Operation/User.pm | 02:32 |
| metanil | i guess thats the only file i touched | 02:33 |
| perlDreamer | are you using version control for your customized wG? | 02:33 |
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| metanil | yes.. but i am getting this issue quite a while. i thought it was normal. | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | No | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | It should work | 02:34 |
| perlDreamer | Check it out on a demo site | 02:35 |
| perlDreamer | It will work fine | 02:35 |
| metanil | ya i know, when i first install the webgui.. it was working.. but then i didn't use it .. so i don't know .. but when check it few days back .. its giving me like that. | 02:36 |
| metanil | ok i'll backtrace my changes and look for it | 02:36 |
| perlDreamer | time for me to head home | 02:37 |
| perlDreamer | good luck, metanil | 02:37 |
| metanil | thnx. | 02:37 |
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| metanil | btw, it this related to showing user profile? | 02:38 |
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| elnino | long shot - anyone here related to valuecms.com - a hosting company that uses webgui for their customers? | 05:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | When customizing the coolmenu nav bar, I should just edit the coolmenu settings directly, right? | 06:18 |
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| beginwebgui | hello .whats the function of WebGUI::Paginator? | 08:43 |
| beginwebgui | "Retrieves a data set from a database and replaces whatever data set was passed in through the constructor."?? | 08:45 |
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| @preaction | beginwebgui, the purpose of the paginator is to paginate data easily. | 09:40 |
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| @preaction | Okay. The Syndicated Content Wobject needs a rewrite... this thing is ugly times ugly squared... | 12:59 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: doug * r5283 /branch/doug-experimental/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Nightly checkin because you forgot | 14:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:03 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Good morning | 16:08 |
| @preaction | morning | 16:09 |
| bartjol | morning | 16:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | blah, I just can't start working today. | 16:26 |
| SDuensin | I support that attitude. | 16:27 |
| @preaction | pfft. lazy gits | 16:28 |
| SDuensin | Is it still lazyness if you just don't care? | 16:31 |
| @preaction | apathy breeds laziness | 16:34 |
| SDuensin | That would concern me, if I cared. :-P | 16:51 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: graham * r5284 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (4 files in 4 dirs): fix: Fatal errors kill login session | 17:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | tbb's rss feed isn't updating for me? Has anyone else had aproblem seeing the latest blog entries? | 17:38 |
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| @preaction | i still wish they made the exact same headset I use everyday for skype, but in a bluetooth version | 19:04 |
| @preaction | every bluetooth "headset" i see are those one-ear things. nothing two-ear + microphone | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm filing a bug for the HTML::Template loop/boolean bug | 19:05 |
| @preaction | yeah, i don't even understand that one | 19:06 |
| @preaction | as long as it's not used as a tmpl_var, it shouldn't throw that error | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | If you write a patch for it, I'll include it with my bug report :) | 19:07 |
| @preaction | good god the code that does that is ugly... | 19:12 |
| * perlDreamer waits for diakopter to chime in... | 19:15 | |
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| +perlDreamer | I think I see the problem... | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | $param_map | 19:17 |
| @preaction | and that is one damned scary regular expression that parses the template | 19:17 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm trying to track down how that gets populated | 19:17 |
| @preaction | if there's an _IF but no _VAR, then you should be able to set anything to that param | 19:18 |
| @preaction | (that's what i would expect, at least) | 19:18 |
| @preaction | looks like 2355-2370 are what resolve pending conditionals. if a conditional never has a tmpl_Var or tmpl_loop, it's set to a tmpl_var | 19:23 |
| @preaction | 2360-2363 actually create the new VAR object and assign it to the right places | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm trying the direct approach | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | line 2564 | 19:24 |
| @preaction | yeah, i tried that. param_map is created by parsing the template, which happens before that. i think first _parse needs to keep track of conditionals that it doesn't know are LOOP or VAR, and then down by 2564 we can handle appropriately | 19:25 |
| @preaction | so i think there needs to be an HTML::Template::BOOLEAN type that can function as a bool until something better comes along | 19:26 |
| @preaction | or just an UNKNOWN type that's functionally equivalent to VAR but doesn't error near 2564 | 19:28 |
| @preaction | and also allows setting of a VAR or LOOP type | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | No, you're right. It wants a BOOLEAN type. | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Something that allows scalar/array checking to happen normally | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but doesn't care so long as it can be true/false | 19:31 |
| @preaction | and _parse has to know that it when it sees a VAR or a LOOP and the param_map already contains a BOOLEAN there, the param_map needs to be changed | 19:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | I think that's actually how it's supposed to be working right now | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | First you find the var from the conditional | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | then it gets reassigned to a LOOP | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and everyone is accidently happy | 19:33 |
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| @preaction | given this: <tmpl_if X><tmpl_var X></tmpl_if> _parse sees tmpl_if X, and adds X to @ucstack of "unconnected conditionals" (because it isn't connected to a VAR or a LOOP, $param_map{"X"} doesn't exist) | 19:35 |
| @preaction | then it sees <tmpl_var X>, X is added to param_map, and later when it cleans up the ucstack, it can assign properly | 19:35 |
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| @preaction | given this: <tmpl_if X>Some Text</tmpl_if>, when cleaning up the ucstack, it doesn't know what X is, so like 2360 just says "It's a HTML::Template::VAR and that's FINAL!" and storms off like a petulant child | 19:36 |
| @preaction | 2360 being line 2360 | 19:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yawp | 19:36 |
| @preaction | then later you call param( X => []) and it blows up | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | if VARIABLE_TYPE_VAR =~ VARIABLE_TYPE_LOOP, then we'd be fine | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's type checking | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and it doesnt' need to | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | see lines 2365-67 | 19:39 |
| @preaction | so i figure when cleaning up the ucstack (there are two places where it happens 2119 and 2360), just assign them HTML::Template::BOOLEAN instead or maybe "DEFERRED" or "UNKNOWN" and set the type after we get the value from param() | 19:39 |
| @preaction | oh, the COND has a variable type too | 19:39 |
| @preaction | why should we care? | 19:39 |
| @preaction | why doesn't the LOOP and VAR objects have some sort of method that the CONDs can use to determine their boolean state? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no type checking | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, that code is pasted in here twice... | 19:40 |
| @preaction | right, but we're still left with the original problem, which is a way to tell every bit of HTML::Template that this is neither a LOOP nor a VAR, and could be set to either by param() | 19:41 |
| @preaction | it's not so much pasted as it is some evil magic | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, I'm pretty sure it's copy/pasted into two places | 19:41 |
| @preaction | looks like a tmpl_loop creates a whole new context, and manipulates typeglobs to hide the original context | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | check the block near 2127, and the bock near 2365 | 19:42 |
| @preaction | evil. it looks like it should have some sort of recursion | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | or call a subroutine? | 19:42 |
| @preaction | right | 19:42 |
| @preaction | we won't even get into that gnarly regex up there... whoever thunk that one up should be shot and killed | 19:43 |
| @preaction | maybe it's faster, i dunno | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | the regex is fine, it's just blown out into caselessness | 19:44 |
| @preaction | i would think it'd be more logical to grab <tmpl_([^>]+)> and then move on from $1 | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if it's really faster to have all this code unrolled like this | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | it's gotta be a nightmare to keep track of | 19:51 |
| @preaction | okay, i think i'm close, but can you think of any reason why something might be true as a scalar but false as an array? | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | undef | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, wait | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's false as a scalar and true as an array | 20:02 |
| @preaction | 2749 in sub output does type checking for conditionals, 2759 is what does it for loops, i'm just setting it as an UNKNOWN, which is not a VAR so goes to the second line | 20:03 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking i can get rid of the check completely | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it will be interesting to see if this passes the test suite | 20:03 |
| @preaction | yes indeed | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll email you the testlet I wrote for the loop/boolean | 20:03 |
| @preaction | k | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on its way | 20:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and, why oh why, is jamie the only guy at PB whose email address is not his first name? | 20:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I always forget it, and then it bounces. | 20:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | Where is the link to the Plainblack link to this channel? I'm wondering about the web irc clien.t | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in the wiki? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | because everyone calls him vrby | 20:08 |
| @preaction | it's on webgui.org/forums too i think | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 20:09 |
| @preaction | i'm getting close but this hack is ugly as all hell... | 20:10 |
| @preaction | it works except i don't allow overwriting of UNKNOWN yet | 20:10 |
| @rizen | actually jamie at pb should work too | 20:11 |
| @rizen | i set up an alias when i made is account | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | It bounced | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try again | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and forward you the bounc | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | e | 20:11 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, does the unchanged version of HTML::Template pass all of its default tests? i've got things that look like they couldn't fail but are failing | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure it does | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | let me revert and retest | 20:52 |
| @preaction | i think i've got my scalar refs messed up. VAR can be either a scalar or a coderef and is stuck inside a scalar ref | 20:53 |
| @preaction | ha! passes the original suite now | 20:54 |
| @preaction | now to your new tests | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | all tests pass with the original code | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | note, you'll need to handrun 12-loop-boolean, since I coded it as a TODO | 20:54 |
| @preaction | i get 1/3 unexpectedly succeeded | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, in that case, it's probably really good | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | from the module directory, do a perl -Mblib t/12-loop-boolean.t | 20:55 |
| @preaction | i'm failing on the is($value, 'You have a loop') | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a problem | 20:57 |
| @preaction | shouldn't $value be $template->output after you set $template->param ? | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | bad test | 20:59 |
| @preaction | er.. that doesn't seem to work either :( | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 21:01 |
| @preaction | but it might not be the test now | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | bad code, too | 21:01 |
| @preaction | use_ok doesn't set %INC? or is it %LIB? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | It should set both of them | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | use_ok just wraps a use in an eval | 21:08 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to the gym | 21:08 | |
| @preaction | something else was happening, i got it figured out. should have something later. have fun | 21:08 |
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| wgGuest23 | hello | 22:08 |
| wgGuest23 | i have a question related to colaboration systems | 22:09 |
| wgGuest23 | i am checking the templates and i found that the tmpl_loop post_loop is where the threads are shown | 22:10 |
| wgGuest23 | if i have several threads it shows all of them | 22:11 |
| wgGuest23 | how can i show only one thread using the same loop, if i have several threads | 22:11 |
| wgGuest23 | is there something to break the loop? | 22:11 |
| khenn_ | no but you could use <tmpl_unless __FIRST__> | 22:12 |
| khenn_ | or <tmpl_unless __LAST__> | 22:12 |
| khenn_ | it would still loop through all of the items returned | 22:13 |
| khenn_ | so you could set pagination to 1 | 22:13 |
| khenn_ | if you only want to display one thing | 22:13 |
| khenn_ | and then remove the pagination | 22:13 |
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| wgGuest23 | ok | 22:15 |
| wgGuest23 | thanks | 22:15 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: graham * r5285 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm): fix: Calendar Event recurrence stretching over daylight savings time changes use wrong times | 22:18 |
| @preaction | good lord i hate the calendar | 22:21 |
| @preaction | calendars in general how about? | 22:21 |
| @khenn | why? | 22:21 |
| @khenn | what are you doing with the calendar? | 22:21 |
| @preaction | that fix that graham just did | 22:21 |
| @preaction | just one of many little fixes because date/time is completely illogical and impossible to work with | 22:22 |
| @khenn | yeah anything to do with date/time sucks | 22:22 |
| @preaction | throw time-zones and daylight savings time into the mix and you've got your own personal slice of hell | 22:22 |
| @preaction | i need to make the code that will share packages between sites, and otherwise increase what packages are capable (singleton packages, can't be deployed and/or do not show up in the Packages tab) | 22:24 |
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| wgGuest38 | hello | 22:34 |
| wgGuest38 | if i use <tmpl_if __FIRST__> in a loop in the colaboration system template i will be show only the first thread | 22:35 |
| wgGuest38 | ? | 22:36 |
| @khenn | yes | 22:36 |
| @khenn | true | 22:36 |
| @preaction | try it and see | 22:36 |
| @khenn | <tmpl_if __LAST__> will show the last item | 22:36 |
| @khenn | well it will execute on the last item in the loop | 22:36 |
| wgGuest38 | yes, i tried but i continue seeing all the threads | 22:36 |
| wgGuest38 | yes, i tried again and works | 22:40 |
| @preaction | browser cache | 22:41 |
| wgGuest38 | if i am inside of one thread, in that template can i use a loop where i can see the rest of threads that the colaborations systems has? | 22:42 |
| @preaction | no | 22:43 |
| @preaction | the online help (Help tab in the admin console) has all the template variables allowed in templates | 22:43 |
| wgGuest38 | do you know coppermime? | 22:44 |
| wgGuest38 | it is a photo gallery when the user can create his own albums and the rest of the people can rate his/her photos and can put messages on each one | 22:46 |
| @preaction | sounds like the Gallery that's in webgui 7.5 | 22:46 |
| wgGuest38 | when the webgui 7.5 stable release is online? | 22:48 |
| @preaction | there hasn't even been a beta release yet | 22:48 |
| wgGuest38 | in the webgui 7.5 will be a photo gallery like i described before? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | without the rating feature | 22:51 |
| @rizen | I just submitted 4 talk proposals to OSCON and 4 more to YAPC. Man, I hope some of them get accepted. | 22:52 |
| wgGuest38 | why without the rating feature? | 22:53 |
| wgGuest38 | do you thinks to include it in a future version? | 22:53 |
| wgGuest38 | we want to create a photo gallery like i described before, do you believe that i can wait the webgui 7.5? | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction++ | 22:57 |
| @preaction | wgGuest38, it was planned to put rating in but I ran out of time for it. not sure on the timetable for the 7.5 release cycle, but the a pre-release is happening next week I believe | 22:57 |
| wgGuest38 | ok | 22:58 |
| wgGuest38 | thanks for your help | 22:58 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer, i just hope i didn't break something else with that hack | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | there's only one way to find out :) | 23:00 |
| @preaction | but now that i remember i'm technically running my changed version of H::T in my WRE, so i'll probably be first to know ;) | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | perlDreamer, i've figured out why you like testing so much | 23:38 |
| xdanger | rizen: could you comment my last comment about this: http://www.plainblack.com/rfe/request-for-enhancement/use-user-profile-for-javascript-calendars-timeformat | 23:48 |
| @rizen | yeah, i'm looking at this right now, how did you know? | 23:48 |
| xdanger | out =) | 23:48 |
| @rizen | sorry for the delay, but i get a lot of email everyday, so much that I sometimes have to do email catch up days like today | 23:48 |
| xdanger | No problem, I'm not in a hurry... | 23:49 |
| xdanger | just that noticed that you were online and talking, and remembered the thing myself | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: Why do I like testing? :) | 23:51 |
| @rizen | because you spend your free time with the sci fi channel, and a typical critical plot point in sci fi shows is a diagnostic | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | I thought it was because I excel at maintenance tasks that no one else does. | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Like church website | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | documentation | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | etc. | 23:59 |
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| @rizen | yeah, but that's not nearly as funny | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | No, funny is going to be my testing chapter | 00:00 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | All the examples are from my family | 00:01 |
| @rizen | good we need some humor in there | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | cmp_ok ( $olderSon->train_rides, '>=', 3, 'older son is happy'); | 00:01 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | is( $youngerSon->askedFor, 'hot dogs', 'Younger son is happy'); | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | That test always fails | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | :( | 00:02 |
| metanil | perlDreamer, we left one question incomplete yesterday.. remember. | 00:13 |
| metanil | i see the photo field in userProfileData; but its just varchar(20) type.. i guess its just a 'key' and data should be in other table.. do you know which one? | 00:14 |
| @rizen | at OSCON we're going to have over 1000 gooey's stacked in our booth | 00:14 |
| @rizen | it should be quite the sight to see | 00:15 |
| metanil | OR could we get path from that photo field value directly? | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | The data in the photo field is a storageId | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not stored in a table | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: you should advertise it as a new WebGUI clustering solution | 00:18 |
| metanil | oh! its a storageId... how do we get data from that id? | 00:20 |
| @rizen | that's a great idea pd | 00:21 |
| @rizen | but i also think it will make one hell of a photo | 00:21 |
| metanil | is there any method available in webgui library to get that? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: Yes, but only in the API, not the macro level | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still confused why you want to duplicate the user profile page | 00:24 |
| metanil | yes. but i want to customize it on my own.. and moreover learning webgui core side by side. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, if you're using the API, then check out WebGUI::Storage::Image.pm | 00:27 |
| metanil | cool!!!! | 00:28 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: graham * r5286 /branch/WebGUI_7.4/ (2 files in 2 dirs): fix: In IE, 'Insert WebGUI Image' loses some attributes | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg++ | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | He's a bug fixing machine! | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil, reverse engineering Form/Image.pm and ProfileField will help you learn a lot about that, too. | 00:39 |
| metanil | superb!! | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | metanil: What kind of site are you going to build? | 00:40 |
| metanil | its currently very simple but if i could learn a lot then it could be very big project. | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | You should also join the developer's mailing list, then. | 00:41 |
| metanil | but as always main decision is made by our boss. | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Give us access to his API, we'll "patch" him. | 00:42 |
| metanil | currently we're at starting phase just like "proof of concept" thing. | 00:43 |
| metanil | but sure .. you're welcome guys | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, that was a bad joke about patching your boss'es API so that he'd choose WebGUI | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | um, is webgui.org down right now? | 01:09 |
| @rizen | nop | 01:09 |
| @rizen | i can get there | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | try the forums | 01:09 |
| @rizen | yup, can get there too | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, maybe if I restart the browser | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that's better | 01:12 |
| @rizen | i was going to be pissed that i didn't get a page if it was down | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you lusting after the new Air books yet? | 01:13 |
| @rizen | haven't seen it yet | 01:14 |
| @rizen | watching the keynote now | 01:14 |
| @apeiron | Air books? | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Check out Job's keynote | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | from today at MacWorld | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | or read Slashdot | 01:20 |
| @apeiron | Oh, I thought you meant Adobe Air. | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Next year I want him to make one I can fold up and put in my back pocket | 01:24 |
| @rizen | it's called iphone | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | It comes with gvim? ;) | 01:26 |
| @rizen | it will in february | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so close: http://news.perlfoundation.org/2008/01/i_need_a_crm_package.html | 01:29 |
| @rizen | webgui needs a crm at some point | 01:32 |
| @rizen | in the short term the thingy will do it nicely | 01:33 |
| @rizen | but in the long term we need a full blown one | 01:33 |
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| knowma1 | has anyone ever had a problem with WebGUI (v7.3.22) not creating a new asset? here's the log output -- "attempted to to call a non-existent method add;class=WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Layout on" | 02:57 |
| knowma1 | i've found where this message is occurring -- WebGUI.pm, page(). it appears that the url is not being parsed correctly due to the semi-colons instead of ampersands; don't know why that would have changed though.... | 03:23 |
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| perlmonkey2 | no rizen? | 06:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | what a slacker...never here anymore. | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, we're rizenless tonight | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Drop him an email and tell him that you'd like to meet one night | 06:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | Naw, there is a call for papers for an academic journal | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | oooh, which one? | 06:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | Thought he might want to submit something or force one of his lackeys to write something | 06:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.cw2008.uga.edu/cw_pages/index.htm | 06:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | The subject is open source software, specifically alternative academic CMS's to WebCT. | 06:14 |
| perlmonkey2 | My wife and I will be collarborating on a paper, but if he doesn't submit anything, I'll want to talk about WebGUI. | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Go for it! | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | He's already booked for like 5 speaking engagements this year | 06:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | the trials and tribulations of the FOSS rock stars. | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | He does it well | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | How goes the ajaxified survey? | 06:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | Today I got the hard part finished. | 06:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | Now it is just getting something working so the testing/revisioning can begin. | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | will you be writing any automated tests for it? | 06:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | Next Wednesday I have it reviewed by two researchers who have bought every single survey product offered and hate them all. So I'm sure they'll be able to tell me what sucks and what needs to be changed. But I'm working from their specs for now, so hopefully WebGUI will be getting the benefit of two ninja academic survey users | 06:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: I haven't even thought about the Perl side. It will be very straightforward, but I'll probably have to eventually write automated tests if I ever wnat it in the core? | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | perl API level tests would be great, but despite assertions to the contrary, new code without tests is making it into the core. | 06:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah....that doesn't sound sfae. | 06:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | safe | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | nope | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | The new commerce system will be well tested though. | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and we don't have any infrastructure for front-end testing yet | 06:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well the front end.....we can run one of those web scrambler thingies that just tries every combination of input :) | 06:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, these guys want to be able to have a random element from a number range or list used in a question string, and then remembered for use throughout the rest of the section. ie. Q1 How do you feel about [red,yellow,green]? Then depending on which color was randomly picked, Q2 would use that same one. And that is just one of the crazy things they asked for. I think the new survey system will really fill a lot of people's needs. | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | we were talking today about a CRM | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI could have been used by The Perl Foundation if it had a CRM module. | 06:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | Hmm.......I have a lot of experience in data mining and profiling web data :D We could build a CRM that completely exploits all possible information sources on everyone in the DB. Using neural networks to optimize our bloodsucking customer module :D | 06:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | But it seems like it would be intersting to work on. | 06:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | But it seems like CRM is more of a organizational process for handling customers supported by technology. Hmm..... | 06:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | s/customers/cusomters,/ | 06:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | So at its core, a CRM is a technological crutch for the marketing people......But it would need hooks into the commerce system, if just to profile the customer for automated upselling or closing the deal (plus to automatically add them into the system upon purchase). | 06:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | I really like Joel Spolsky's use of machine learning in his commerce systems. Maybe WebGUI could work something like that in there. | 06:44 |
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| metanil | are there any documentation related to WebGUI Dashboard.. and its API | 10:34 |
| metanil | ? | 10:34 |
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| Radix__ | Sun have bought MySQL: http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/sun-acquires-mysql.html/ (and discussion at http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/16/135243) | 15:58 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:10 |
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| @khenn | anyone know the flag to use when untarring a file that preserves privileges? | 17:21 |
| @apeiron_ | -p should work | 17:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | Holy acquisitions, Batman! | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Sun is buying MySQL | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Whoa. Hey, at least we'll have good JDBC support. :-) | 18:19 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Fantaisie-Impropmtu in C sharp minor........life is good. | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin: Does using java make you schizo? | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | No, that'd be Windows. | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh dear. You use both Windows _and_ Java? | 19:13 |
| SDuensin | Don't get me started. :-P | 19:14 |
| * perlDreamer is appropriately warned | 19:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | CIA-19: help | 19:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: which branches does CIA monitor? | 20:31 |
| @preaction | all | 20:31 |
| @preaction | rather, the entire svn.webgui.org/plainblack tree | 20:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I committed a file to branches/colin_experimental a while ago, and haven't seen anything | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe CIA-19 needs some Botamucil? | 20:32 |
| @preaction | most likely | 20:32 |
| @preaction | i've got a friend who made an apparently pluggable bot, imma see if i can make some plugins for him | 20:33 |
| @preaction | otherwise i'll just make a new Bot::BasicBot | 20:33 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5287 /branch/colin-experimental/sbin/testEnvironment.pl: Add a requirement for Test::Class in my experimental branch. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: Test::Class is not too bad at all | 21:16 |
| @preaction | in what context? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I started converting WebGUI::Storage over to using it | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and I thought it would be difficult/tedious/etc | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's not too bad | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | one sub per "block" | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and you use POD to document it | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you can define global and local setup and teardown routines | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | test plans can still be dynamically generated | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and Storage::Image will be able to inherit all those tests | 21:18 |
| CIA-19 | WebGUI: colin * r5288 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (Storage.t lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm lib/WebGUI/Storage): Begin converting WebGUI::Storage tests to use Test::Class. | 21:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: If you haven't already, please set the sticky bit on your new post to the Forum. It's awesome! | 23:56 |
| @preaction | yeah, i did. it should look like a splat | 23:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | Which post? | 23:59 |
| @preaction | my "Before you Post" post | 23:59 |
| @preaction | trying to get some FAQs going | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | i want to make a bot for this channel that will search the webgui.org wiki (of course, it'd need permission to run on plainblack.com) | 00:00 |
| @rizen | we can't run IRC related stuff on our servers | 00:01 |
| @rizen | it's part of our data center contract | 00:01 |
| @rizen | however, i'd be willing to let you write a web service api to the wiki search | 00:01 |
| @preaction | i could make a Report asset. it has a hook for searching inside the report. then the report could spit out XML or JSON or some such. something to ponder. the bot thing is a longish-term thing | 00:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | This report asset sounds misnamed......should be something like "super-data-extraction-badass-et" | 00:04 |
| @preaction | eh, it's just simple. no limitations | 00:05 |
| perlmonkey2 | Maybe I can forgoe the survey report portion of the new survey and just have your reporting tool generate output. | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i wouldn't rely on it. it's meant to be an external thing, not part of any asset | 00:07 |
| @preaction | the survey is an application, so it should report on itself | 00:08 |
| @preaction | the Report is a power-tool. like the SQLReport. worse, it's just a framework, by itself it does absolutely nothing (just nothing with no limitations ;) | 00:09 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, browse around webgui.org and tell me if you notice anything | 00:14 |
| @rizen | different | 00:14 |
| @preaction | dear jesus | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Interesting new title on the about page :) | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I miss Haarg, though | 00:16 |
| @rizen | it'st not actually on the about page | 00:16 |
| @preaction | it's adspace | 00:16 |
| @rizen | yeah | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it random? | 00:17 |
| @rizen | yup | 00:17 |
| @rizen | haven't you ever used webgui's adspace system? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I tested all the underlying API, but not the front end | 00:17 |
| @rizen | webgui has an advertisement system built in | 00:17 |
| @rizen | ah | 00:17 |
| @rizen | so that's what drives the crowns on webgui.org | 00:17 |
| @rizen | i figured we should advertise the IRC channel | 00:18 |
| @rizen | so that's the ad i came up with | 00:18 |
| +perlDreamer | That's not actually in the logs, is it? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | though it may not seem like it, because we've only really ever put the PBWG up in the crown, that crown space is supposed to be used for advertising community related things | 00:19 |
| @rizen | no | 00:19 |
| @rizen | i couldn't find the place where he said it | 00:19 |
| @rizen | but i remember that conversation | 00:19 |
| @rizen | so i paraphrased | 00:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, that is great | 00:21 |
| Radix__ | I remember that discussion.. who was iPhoneGuy tho.. I can't recall | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | iPhoneGuy == maxscience | 00:23 |
| Radix__ | ahh.. that's right | 00:23 |
| @preaction | might've happened on the forums, but it still works | 00:24 |
| Radix__ | I don't know whether it's good to call webgui crap tho - even good crap | 00:24 |
| @rizen | it is meant to be funny | 00:24 |
| @rizen | it's not as if i'm calling it crap | 00:24 |
| Radix__ | is it? | 00:25 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2 laughed | 00:25 |
| Radix__ | uhuh :) | 00:25 |
| @preaction | i laughed because i remember that drama | 00:25 |
| @rizen | if you like, i could put a line above it in there where iPhoneGuy says it's a pile of crap | 00:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | Its like the old saying about democracy. Worst form of governments except for all the rest. | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I remember part of that conversation | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I came in on the middle of it | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | except it wasn't crap it was shit | 00:26 |
| @rizen | i didn't want to say shit on the site | 00:27 |
| @rizen | that might turn some conservative types off | 00:27 |
| @preaction | i could swear that our corporate culture did that already ;-) | 00:29 |
| Radix__ | heh | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | there, i changed it to account for Radix_ hesitation | 00:35 |
| Radix__ | you did? | 00:38 |
| @rizen | you didn't see the change? | 00:38 |
| Radix__ | Ahh.. I see | 00:38 |
| Radix__ | yeah, I like that better | 00:39 |
| @rizen | egg salad | 00:43 |
| @rizen | then everyone is happy | 00:43 |
| @rizen | well, except for iphoneguy | 00:43 |
| Radix__ | :) | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | He'll love the attention. | 00:50 |
| @preaction | http://webgui.pastebin.com/m3bef3c00 anybody have any idea why these three regexen don't always match, even though there are enough data to make a full match | 00:59 |
| @preaction | i'll change it to match a minimum of 0 up to a maximum of $num, but i don't think that's the issue | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | ($num) says to match literally $num and capture it | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | don't you want curly brackets in there? | 01:00 |
| @preaction | they are curly brackets | 01:01 |
| @preaction | might not be visible because of the horrible highlighting + syntax coloring | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | ok | 01:02 |
| @preaction | it works in most cases, but 5% of cases looks like it fails | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Can you nopaste some failing data, too? I'm stumped | 01:04 |
| @preaction | putting {0,$num} made one formerly failing pass, but 5 formerly passing fail. going to write a proper test script | 01:04 |
| @preaction | unfortunately i can't. the data is client data. imma write a proper test script for it and see if i can't replicate | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | well, in that case, I'm going to leave in a huff and renew my driver's license | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 01:10 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:26 |
| @preaction | morning | 16:31 |
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| @khenn | ping Mrhairgrease | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | pong | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | Anybody know an SVN client that's worth a crap for the Mac? | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | svn? | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Yea. | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | no I mean 'svn' | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | :-P | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | the command lin eclient | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | works great | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | I want pretty pictures I can drag around. | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | so drag your console around on your dektop | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think tortoise is a gui svn client | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | for windows | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | Yea, it's great. | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno if it is available for mac | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | I'm just gonna use Eclipse open on an empty workspace. | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | Nope, Tortoise is Winders only. | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | khenn | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you need me for? | 18:21 |
| @khenn | could you IM me? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | pretty pichars are overrated | 18:22 |
| @khenn | AIM - FRANKLD75 | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm not on aim | 18:22 |
| * SDuensin likes pichars | 18:22 | |
| +MrHairgrease | but is just msg'd you | 18:23 |
| ckotil | This wG Admin Guide Book is nice.n | 18:29 |
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| perlmonkey2 | So quiet today. | 21:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | Any word on the WG dev book? | 21:41 |
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| @rizen | it's coming along | 22:06 |
| @rizen | probably won't be available until late april | 22:06 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Ah, April. So far away. I'm sure it will be worth the wait. | 22:11 |
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| @rizen | it's hard because it's being written by the entire pb dev team | 22:31 |
| @rizen | so there has to be time set aside from project work | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | s/hard/slow/ | 22:32 |
| @rizen | and i'm writing about 5 chapters myself (the most out of the entire staff) | 22:32 |
| @rizen | which is also hard, because i have lots of other things going on with running the company | 22:32 |
| @rizen | i think the book will be worth the wait, but it certainly won't be all encompassing | 22:33 |
| @rizen | there's too much we could talk about to make it all encompassing | 22:33 |
| @rizen | we're just going to get as far as we can as fast as we can, and add more when we have time in the future | 22:34 |
| ckotil | got the admin book. its nice. | 22:35 |
| ckotil | now im not so indispensible anymore | 22:35 |
| @rizen | there's knowledge (which can be contained in the book), but there's also experience, which you have and can't be contained in the book | 22:36 |
| @rizen | you're not indespensible | 22:36 |
| ckotil | i know. im just kidding. | 22:36 |
| @rizen | ckotil, as i was writing that book, i ran out of ideas on what would be useful to cover, so if you find areas that you think should be expanded upon, or that weren't covered at all, please email me those ideas | 22:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: yeah, I can see the dev book being hard to contain the scope. Where does the WG API end and the other Perl libs begin? | 22:37 |
| ckotil | sure thing. | 22:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | How much of H::T should be covered?, etc etc | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | None of it | 22:37 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2: we're covering all the webgui plugin points (assets, macros, auth modules, form controls, etc) | 22:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, (see CPAN) for H::T in the index :P | 22:38 |
| @rizen | as well as some theory points like WebGUI::Session | 22:38 |
| @rizen | but the book contains no API stuff, as that's all available for free | 22:38 |
| @rizen | this is more howto and reasons behind how stuff works type stuff | 22:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | cool, well i can't wait. My knowledge is full of holes that I only fill when I have a problem to solve. | 22:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | Be fun to have something that walks me through all of WG in an ordered fashion. | 22:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | For now I have to figure out the sanest way to update all the questions and sections at the end of a dragdrop event. | 22:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm thinking everytime a dragdrop ends, tell the entire list to step through themselves in order and update themselves if they are in a new place. But If you drap the first question to the end of the questions and you have 1,000 questions, then all 1,000 will have to update. | 22:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | Must be a better way | 22:41 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, why not only allow two kinds of moves: 1) move within a section, 2) move to a section. the question is added as the last question in the section | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Sounds like the same problem that the Asset Manager has to handle | 22:42 |
| @preaction | so only one section is displayed at any one time, cutting down on the display time | 22:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you benchmark it? | 22:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: If only.....I really wish i could do it that way, but all sections and questions have to be available for DD at any given time, because they need to be targets for dropped answers. | 22:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | if it only takes a fraction of a second who cares | 22:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: haven't done it yet....not sure that it will be that bad. Just "feels" ugly. | 22:43 |
| @rizen | perlmonkey2, perhaps go simpler | 22:43 |
| @rizen | sectionId:questionId:answerId:rank | 22:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: an update will simply seeing if it needs to change its ID and displayed DOM text, and then tell all the answers pointing at it to now point at the new qid. | 22:44 |
| @rizen | send that back to webgui on the drop event | 22:44 |
| @rizen | and then let the backend figure out the rest | 22:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I wasn't planning on sending an update to WG until they clicked submit. | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | why would the qid change | 22:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 22:44 |
| @rizen | oh...nevermind then | 22:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: If they drag Q1 to Q10, then Q2-10 should decrement and Q1 shoudl become Q10. | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease: it wouldn't but you need all that to identify who moved | 22:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: But I really like that idea. Store nothing client side. | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | i thought you meant the guid of the question | 22:45 |
| @preaction | why would it be a problem that only one section's questions are shown at any given time? clicking on a section head opens that section and closes all the others. then you can DD answers to the questions in it | 22:46 |
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| perlmonkey2 | you can only see the answers for the currently selected question. | 22:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | the answers UL is populated with the last question's answers. | 22:46 |
| @preaction | can a single answer be linked to multiple questions? | 22:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: But I'm not sure how much that buys me. It would only mean I'd have to do the update on a single section instead of the entire survey. | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouldn't this work? each question is an object, each answer is an object too. relations are defined by refs to the objects. Also each question has an index | 22:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: No. A single answer can only fork to one question/section. | 22:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: That is precisely how I have it. | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:48 |
| @preaction | so why have that second answers area at all? why not have a drill-down-type menu? | 22:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: to keep it simpler. | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | so in that you only have to update the index right? | 22:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: ultimetely I would have hoped for an actual tree. But DD in a tree was to difficult for my first cut at this. | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | why should you update all the answers too? | 22:49 |
| perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: Right, a question knows which answers are forking to it. So when it changes it tells those answers to change their index to the new one. | 22:49 |
| @preaction | i'd go with martin on this then, build it first and see if there's actually a problem with latency. premature optimization is the root of most evils | 22:49 |
| perlmonkey2 | Not an expensive update, but still there. | 22:49 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, very good point preaction. | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you'll have to change something when moving stuff around | 22:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | I need to sit and grok rizens idea of not storing data locally. | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a good idea anyway | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c if the browser crashes | 22:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | people loose their work | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | but hooking that in afterwards is very easy | 22:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | or any number of other problems. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | i'd say keep the javascript dealings. cancelling the asset revision will be different if you have automatic updates during an edit | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | just add a ajax request to each update routine | 22:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | yeah, just call the updateData function every so often. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | is editing the survey versioned? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | if not, then just disregard my objections | 22:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | I wasn't planning on versioning it. | 22:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | They can create copies, which shoudl be good enough. | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | i agree | 22:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well, since I have to have a functioning prototype by Wednesday, I'll just go with the entire list update on every drag drop for now :) | 22:55 |
| @preaction | the reporting sounds like fun though: person A took the survey at time 1. admin edits the survey at time 2 to remove and add and move and etc... person B takes the survey at time 3. how's that going to work? | 22:55 |
| @preaction | not that i need discussion or justification, just an interesting problem | 22:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: yes, interesting, but I don't know how many survey apps address that issue. Most surveys collecting real data are not updated after data collection starts. | 22:56 |
| @preaction | indeed | 22:56 |
| @preaction | it's not something that should be worried about in Version 1.0 at least | 22:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, thanks for saying that.....my mind got locked on the versionnig problem. | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | asset movements are not versioned for about the same reason | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if you have a chance, please check out rev 5293 in my branch | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and let me know what you think about the segmenting and ordering | 23:11 |
| @preaction | k | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a bit out there... | 23:12 |
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| @preaction | this is just opinion of course, but i don't know if i like the numbering thing. i liked more the idea of test subs being little test scripts of their own, completely autonomous | 23:20 |
| @preaction | but then you'd probably have it where multiple things are tested in a single sub | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 23:21 |
| @preaction | so less granularity | 23:21 |
| @preaction | no matter what the initial tests are created with, though, because of the nature of Test::Class, one sub doesn't have to worry about another sub trampling on its data | 23:22 |
| @preaction | unless it wants to | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes. You can see where I shared an object between several tests | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and noted what was used and what wasn't | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | in the pod | 23:22 |
| @preaction | yeah | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | I love having pod in the tests | 23:22 |
| @preaction | amen to that | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so at least it's now documented | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, there's nothing that says I can't put POD in other tests, too | 23:24 |
| @preaction | i still might suggest that instead of the method you're testing, perhaps the behavior you're testing? there might be multiple times one needs to test the get() method, once to test the GUID is gotten right, and once to test... okay bad example | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | No, that's a good example | 23:24 |
| @preaction | create(), for example. once for case-sensitive, once for non-case sensitive | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that was how I was going to test it, since that's how it's tested now | 23:25 |
| @preaction | the hardest part of "which methods to test together" remains: where do you draw the line between "related to this" and "unrelated"... | 23:26 |
| @preaction | was going to suggest something about grouping all createCaseSensitive tests (create, getId, getPathFrag, getPath) together, but that's probably too much | 23:27 |
| @preaction | i'm sure it'll become more clear in time | 23:28 |
| @preaction | you can't have both TODO and non-TODO tests in the same sub? | 23:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: no | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | It sux | 00:15 |
| @preaction | not even with another closure in there? those jerks | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't tried another block yet | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that might work | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, adding scope works | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I like the dynamic planning, too | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | in order for these tests to be inheritable, object creation has to be overrideable | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | which means it can't be in the test routines | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | together with the tests | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it has to be in a routine that the child can override | 00:32 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5294 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm: | 00:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Found out that adding scope allows embedded TODOs in methods. | 00:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Got rid of the teardown method, since it's run after each | 00:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: test and added the object clean-up to delete. | 00:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5295 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm: | 00:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Clean-up converted tests | 00:48 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Make the test inheritable by avoiding hardcoding paths anywhere. | 00:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: were you concerned about the session variable being a package "global"? | 01:21 |
| @preaction | i didn't notice that, but it might be better off inside the object | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, I'll fix that, too | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, I'm now convinced that Test::Class is "good stuff" | 01:33 |
| @preaction | good stuff indeed | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5296 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm: | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Encapsulate the session variable into the object. | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Convert over a whole bunch of tests. | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Wrote the first dynamic test which determines the number of | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: tests at runtime. Interestingly, it puts the plan at the end, | 01:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: which still appears to be valid TAP. | 01:33 |
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| l-e-o-n | hi, i'm having a problem with the new wre 0.8.1, it installs and runs the console perfectly but when i get to add a site when i press add it goes offline | 13:26 |
| l-e-o-n | no one here ? | 13:31 |
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| l-e-o-n | still away ? | 15:07 |
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| l-e-o-n | zZzZz | 15:10 |
| l-e-o-n | Can't locate Class/InsideOut.pm in @INC (@INC contains: ../lib /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8 /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/site_perl .) at ../lib/WebGUI/Config.pm line 18. | 15:28 |
| l-e-o-n | i can't start mod_perl | 15:28 |
| l-e-o-n | and i can't find any help | 15:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you set your environment | 15:29 |
| l-e-o-n | hmm how ? | 15:30 |
| l-e-o-n | it was working before, i tried an upgrade | 15:30 |
| l-e-o-n | and failed | 15:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | upgrade? | 15:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | from what to what? | 15:31 |
| l-e-o-n | hmm not sure which version i had before, as mysql database failed and couldn't solve the problem so i tried an upgrade to 7.4.12 | 15:32 |
| l-e-o-n | forgot which version i had :/ | 15:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 15:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i see | 15:33 |
| l-e-o-n | but wasn't that old | 15:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you don't have class::insideout? | 15:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | do this | 15:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | type '. /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment' | 15:34 |
| l-e-o-n | did that right now | 15:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | without the quotes of course | 15:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | then do | 15:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin | 15:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then 'perl testEnvironment.pl' | 15:35 |
| l-e-o-n | perl testEnvironment.pl | 15:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | correct | 15:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | the setenvironment line ensures that perl is now the perl shipped with the wre | 15:35 |
| l-e-o-n | ic | 15:36 |
| l-e-o-n | this is a different thing now :/ | 15:36 |
| l-e-o-n | i trid this 3 times | 15:36 |
| l-e-o-n | does it affect if i do . /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment or go into sbin and type ./setenvironment ? | 15:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | you have to use the single dot in front | 15:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you could also do | 15:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | cd /data/wre/sbin | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | . ./setenvironment | 15:39 |
| l-e-o-n | ah ic | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | the dot is a bash construct | 15:39 |
| l-e-o-n | finally :) | 15:39 |
| l-e-o-n | its up | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i believe it used to be calle source or whatever | 15:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | good =) | 15:39 |
| l-e-o-n | well i had a problem with wre 0.8.1 | 15:39 |
| l-e-o-n | as after i upgraded and didn't work i ssaid ok let me just and install the new one | 15:40 |
| l-e-o-n | but for some reason i didn't let me add new sites.. | 15:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh? | 15:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | strange... | 15:40 |
| l-e-o-n | will try later on next week maybe restalling | 15:40 |
| l-e-o-n | it failed everytime i tried to add a new site from the console | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | it went offline | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you run the /setup through your browser? | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | yep | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe it's a permission problem | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | all services where up | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | when i tried to add a new site the console when offline | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | i mean in you filesystem | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | yeah it can be | 15:41 |
| l-e-o-n | i'll try next week maybe | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe the /data/domains forlder wasn't set correctly | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | also | 15:42 |
| l-e-o-n | because it seems good hehe | 15:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you run setenvironment prior to starting the wreconsole? | 15:42 |
| l-e-o-n | and i replace the files with the old one from 0.7.2 (the website files and database) will it work ? | 15:42 |
| l-e-o-n | it can be because i was doing ./seteenvironment too | 15:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you omit the first dot | 15:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | that won't work | 15:43 |
| l-e-o-n | yep i think that was the problem | 15:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | to go from wre 0.7.2 -> wre 0.8 please read this: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/migration-to-wre-0.8 | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | also | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | one last thing | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you start the wreconsole with sudo, it prolly won't work either | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | that is if you do this | 15:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | . ./setenvironment | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | sudo wreconsole.pl | 15:45 |
| l-e-o-n | ic | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c the env is not set for your root session within sudo | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | (i guess) | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | not sure though | 15:45 |
| l-e-o-n | there is something written in the installation procidure help | 15:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never restart servers using the wreconsole so i don't need to sudo it | 15:46 |
| l-e-o-n | i prefere ssh | 15:46 |
| l-e-o-n | it gives you more info lol | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ssh is something diffrent | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | you ssh to a box | 15:47 |
| l-e-o-n | the difference to 0.8.1 is only to setup sites ? | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 15:47 |
| l-e-o-n | or even the webgui itself | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | wre 0.8.1 is completely differen | 15:47 |
| l-e-o-n | ah even the webgui ? | 15:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in order to upgrade to it read the wiki link i just posted | 15:48 |
| l-e-o-n | yep cheers for that | 15:48 |
| SDuensin | Greetings. | 15:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings | 15:49 |
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| @preaction | ooh, full dance guard today | 17:34 |
| elnino | are there any plans of adding the ability to package a wiki page, add folders to categorize wikis or ability to have custom fields for wikis? - I see none of it in 7.3.22. | 17:42 |
| elnino | I have the need to format the content of a wiki in a particular format. | 17:43 |
| elnino | And I suppose I could just have muliple wikis instead of "folders" | 17:43 |
| @preaction | instead of "Categories" in 7.4 added Tags (or "keywords") | 17:44 |
| elnino | ok that might work. | 17:45 |
| @preaction | userDefined fields aren't in there, but i don't think the wikipage edit form is templatable, and that'd be a bit of a hassle. you're free to RFE for it though | 17:47 |
| @preaction | note the tag cloud on wiki.webgui.org <- that's what the keywords do. then you get a list of those articles with that keyword | 17:50 |
| elnino | actually I think the wikipage edit form is., it's accessible under the properties of the main "wiki" asset. I was hoping the "wiki" was like the collaboration system, where you could edit the properiteis of each thread or "wiki page" but it | 17:54 |
| elnino | 's not quite the same yet. Maybe in later versions. | 17:55 |
| elnino | oh never mind. I apparently need more sleep. I have to play with this wiki thing some more. Thanks for your response! I'll think about the tag cloud some more. | 17:56 |
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| elnino | ok. here's a question. I have groups that are based on an SQL statemnt that looks at values of cookies to determine if the user is authenticted. (read: no webgui user account) | 18:03 |
| elnino | If I give that group permissins to edit a page, would it still go thru the approval process? | 18:03 |
| wgGuest63 | hello | 18:03 |
| elnino | hi. | 18:03 |
| wgGuest63 | i have a question, i have a site with several colaboration system. Each one have the content manager rich editor as default html editor | 18:05 |
| wgGuest63 | the problem is when i try to add a thread, all the bottoms of the html editor appear in a vertical form | 18:07 |
| wgGuest63 | so the scroll is large to see all of them | 18:07 |
| wgGuest63 | is it a error? | 18:08 |
| @preaction | do you have a screenshot of what you're talking about? what browser are you seeing this with? | 18:08 |
| elnino | have you been modifying the template for the cs edit form? or modifing the tinymce? what version are you using? | 18:08 |
| wgGuest63 | in firefox | 18:08 |
| @preaction | elnino, it will still go through the approval process, unless of course the user is part of the Group to Approve (then they're assumed to be approved) | 18:09 |
| wgGuest63 | in Internet Explorer exists the same problem | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | wgGuest63: that probably happens b/c img tags are set to display: block for images somewhere in you css | 18:11 |
| @preaction | so not really a bug, but something that could probably be handled better | 18:12 |
| wgGuest63 | i was checking the apache error log and found some errors related that the file es.js in some path did not exists | 18:12 |
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| wgGuest63 | one of the path was /data/WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce2/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/pagetree/langs | 18:15 |
| elnino | Preaction: well that's it, the user isn't a "user" in webgui. and the group that is based on an sql statement has no users in it.so there really isn't a "user". The group's sql simply returns "1" if it's supporting sql returns a recordset of more than one row. So, how would the approval process work without a user id? or maybe 1 is the id of "visitor"? It's been a while since I've done these. | 18:15 |
| @preaction | how can someone visiting a webgui site not have a userId? | 18:15 |
| elnino | your right. And then that's probably why I chose to return "1" it's probably visitor's id. | 18:16 |
| @preaction | most likely | 18:16 |
| elnino | I just woulnd't know what visitior, because they actually do "login" from antoher site. I did this so that I could tie two sites together. clever if I may say so myself. I was pretty happy when my idea worked. | 18:17 |
| @preaction | can anyone think of some reason why the asset's autoGenerateForms would be set to 0 and getEditForm method would NOT be overridden? | 18:18 |
| wgGuest63 | do you know what is the problem about? | 18:19 |
| wgGuest63 | how can i fix it? | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | as i said: it's probably a css problem | 18:19 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, MrHairgrease said that you have img { display: block; } in your CSS. | 18:19 |
| @preaction | or some other selector that happens to select those images | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you install firebug you can 'Inspect' the images | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and it'll tell you where that is being applied | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | getfirebug.com | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | awesome software | 18:20 |
| steveo_aa | Is there a document somewhere that describes how to properly add a Wobject to a Folder using addChild? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | I'm thinking that the autoGenerateForms asset attribute is unnecessary, since if the WebGUI::Asset->getEditForm is called, that means the programmer wants it to be called | 18:22 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, did you read perldoc WebGUI::AssetLineage ? | 18:23 |
| bartjol | Mr Hairgrease and me are of for beer | 18:23 |
| bartjol | off | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess so | 18:23 |
| @preaction | b-b-but beer is a happy time! | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 18:23 |
| bartjol | e | 18:24 |
| steveo_aa | that perldoc is for addChild, but I guess I need more because that does not describe how to install a functional Wobject::Collaboration object. | 18:24 |
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| @preaction | steveo_aa, are you running WebGUI 7.4? there were changes to Asset->update that makes adding assets through code easier | 18:25 |
| wgGuest63 | now i am checking the default submission template and found in the css one line that has that line display:block | 18:25 |
| steveo_aa | Yes | 18:25 |
| wgGuest63 | i have to eliminate it? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, so what's not working about it? did you commit the version tag you made? | 18:26 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, no. none of the default templates should have created the problem you describe. | 18:26 |
| elnino | wgquest63 - only if it's for img. Did you modify any of the templates? | 18:26 |
| steveo_aa | The perldocs are great at telling what the method can use, but not how to use the tool | 18:26 |
| wgGuest63 | no | 18:26 |
| elnino | wgquest - did you have a similar line in with your site's css? | 18:27 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, the WebGUI Developers Guide will assist in that. it's currently under development | 18:27 |
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| @preaction | colin! | 18:27 |
| @preaction | buddy! | 18:27 |
| @preaction | pal! | 18:27 |
| wgGuest63 | i am going to check | 18:27 |
| +perlDreamer | What did I do this time? | 18:27 |
| @preaction | nothing. just saying hi to my buddy | 18:27 |
| * perlDreamer starts backlogging | 18:27 | |
| @preaction | you do an unbelievable amount of good work for WebGUI, and Test::Class is just one more awesome thing | 18:28 |
| elnino | perlDreamer - that sounds suspicious to me if you ask me. | 18:28 |
| @preaction | maybe it's the fact that i'm having one of those caffiene-loaded energy drinks, my first caffiene in a week | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah. that would do it | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Why the need for Friday-caffeination? | 18:28 |
| @preaction | still, i think that autoGenerateForms is useless, since if it's set to 0, the programmer has to override getEditForm | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | What's wrong with this? | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | my $properties = | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | $session->db->dbh->selectrow_hashref( | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | "SELECT * FROM Collaboration WHERE assetId=? ORDER BY revisionDate DESC LIMIT 1", | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | {}, $asset->getId ); | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | delete $properties->{ assetId }; | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | delete $properties->{ revisionDate }; | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | $properties->{ collaborationTemplateId } = 'NewsCommon000001'; | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | $properties->{ postFormTemplateId } = 'NewsPost00000001'; | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | $properties->{ threadTemplateId } = 'NewsThread000001'; | 18:29 |
| steveo_aa | $properties->{ className } = 'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration'; | 18:29 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+b steveo_aa!*@*] by preaction | 18:29 | |
| +perlDreamer | two problems | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) you pasted into the channel | 18:29 |
| +perlDreamer | when it clearly and politely asks that you use the paste site | 18:29 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, pm me when that paste stops sending... | 18:29 |
| @rizen | preaction: you could be right, but only because WebGUI::Asset's getEditForm didn't used to autogenerate | 18:30 |
| @rizen | that used to be a wobject only thing | 18:30 |
| @preaction | so it's just vestigial | 18:31 |
| @rizen | probably | 18:31 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-b steveo_aa!*@*] by preaction | 18:31 | |
| @rizen | we'd have to remove it to be sure | 18:31 |
| steveo_aa | Holy cow that's tight policy | 18:31 |
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| @preaction | i've got a plan to write a proper test suite for the definition sub, which should be an exercise in itself. once that's done, we can start changing things | 18:32 |
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| wgGuest63 | i am checking my css file and did not find that line | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | a test suite for the def sub would be an amazing accomplishment | 18:32 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, IRC etiquette laws do not keep themselves. they must be enforced. http://webgui.pastebin.com <- pastebin | 18:32 |
| @rizen | steveo_aa: why would you do that? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | making Devel::Cover not puke on $a = $b || sub_that_returns_default would be even better? | 18:33 |
| @preaction | pd: probably | 18:33 |
| @preaction | getting asset properties using SQL is not a good idea, use the API | 18:33 |
| @khenn | I've written a macro which generates a random number using the same logic that WebGUI does for noCache | 18:34 |
| @khenn | so randint(0,1000) . ":" . $session->datetime->time() | 18:34 |
| @khenn | why on earth would calling this macro several times return the exact same number? | 18:34 |
| wgGuest63 | preaction, i ckecked my css file and did not find anything related to display:block | 18:34 |
| @khenn | I would assume that each separate call to the macro would generate a new random int before the ":" | 18:35 |
| @rizen | cuz that's how macros work | 18:35 |
| @rizen | if you call the macro with the same parameters | 18:35 |
| @khenn | but calling it several times on the same page produces the exact same number | 18:35 |
| @khenn | ah | 18:35 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, then you're going to need to give a URL so we can see the problem | 18:35 |
| @khenn | so if we pass in different params the number will change? | 18:35 |
| @rizen | it just assumes you want the same thing | 18:35 |
| @khenn | I get it | 18:35 |
| @rizen | and it will not run the macro again | 18:35 |
| wgGuest63 | ok | 18:36 |
| steveo_aa | So there is no documentation for doing what I 'm trying to do. | 18:36 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, no. you have yet to show us what you're trying to do | 18:36 |
| @rizen | we don't know what you're trying to do | 18:36 |
| @rizen | hehe | 18:36 |
| steveo_aa | The last time I showed you I got banned. | 18:36 |
| @rizen | in other words, don't tell us what you're doing | 18:36 |
| @rizen | tell us what you want to accomplish | 18:36 |
| @preaction | read the /topic, google "pastebin", put your code in a pastebin and give us the URL | 18:37 |
| @rizen | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com/ | 18:37 |
| @rizen | but you shouldn't need code | 18:37 |
| @rizen | to tell us what you want to achieve | 18:37 |
| steveo_aa | I want to clone an object from one folder to another. | 18:39 |
| steveo_aa | Using code | 18:39 |
| +perlDreamer | why not use the API to do a copy and paste? | 18:39 |
| steveo_aa | Because it was requested that it be done in code. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 18:40 |
| @rizen | yes | 18:40 |
| @rizen | you can do it in code | 18:40 |
| @rizen | $asset->cut | 18:40 |
| @preaction | there's a duplicate() subroutine | 18:40 |
| @rizen | $asset->paste | 18:40 |
| @rizen | sorry | 18:40 |
| @rizen | yeah duplicate | 18:40 |
| @preaction | so first duplicate(), then cut the duplicate, and then paste the duplicate. these are in AssetClipboard i think | 18:40 |
| steveo_aa | What if I want to make changes to the object before it is added? | 18:41 |
| @preaction | why not after? | 18:41 |
| @rizen | why not make them after | 18:41 |
| @rizen | damn it, i'm going to shut up | 18:41 |
| @preaction | ;) | 18:41 |
| steveo_aa | Because they are actually going to reside in the same folder for a time. | 18:41 |
| @rizen | preaction types faster than me | 18:41 |
| @rizen | so? | 18:41 |
| @preaction | using update() will make it appear like they were never different. update() doesn't add a revision | 18:41 |
| @rizen | the new one will have a new assetid | 18:41 |
| steveo_aa | I'll try duplicate. It sounds like what I was looking for when I was told there was no clone function | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | The dev book is going to help a lot of people | 18:47 |
| @preaction | steveo_aa, some more clarification about the pasting thing: while your IRC client showed that everything got sent immediately, it didn't send everything immediately, that would've gotten you kicked off the network. So we only got half of it before i stopped you sending to the channel. which is why we kept asking you to show us using the pastebin | 18:47 |
| @preaction | for the future, anyway | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino: thank you very much for adding that page to the wiki. | 18:49 |
| wgGuest63 | preaction, you can get the screenshot from the next url http://win.colegiosvirtuales.com/Pantallazo.png | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | It's only 5 pages, but you probably just saved us from answering that question about 3 more times. | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | that helps a ton! | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, s/pages/words/ | 18:50 |
| steveo_aa | Sounds like some people are using crappy clients. | 18:50 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, i need the URL because i need to see the markup and the CSS. | 18:51 |
| wgGuest63 | ok | 18:52 |
| steveo_aa | http://webgui.pastebin.com/d53ab9524 | 18:53 |
| @rizen | ding ding ding, we have a winner | 18:54 |
| @rizen | however, you're not following WGBP | 18:54 |
| @rizen | $new_asset should be $newAsset | 18:54 |
| wgGuest63 | preaction, the url is http://www.viajesveracruz.com/home/novedosos/cruceros | 18:55 |
| steveo_aa | Camelhump? Really? | 18:55 |
| @rizen | indeed | 18:55 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, i tried that already, i think you have a different IP for that domain than i do | 18:55 |
| @rizen | it's not the perl way, but it is the webgui way | 18:55 |
| steveo_aa | I much prefer to use CH in package names and JS | 18:55 |
| @preaction | i hate it equally everywhere, but when in rome... | 18:56 |
| @rizen | in webgui we use CH for everything...database fields and tables, javascript, package names, methods, variables | 18:56 |
| @rizen | sorry, it comes from my days of hacking java | 18:56 |
| steveo_aa | omg | 18:57 |
| @rizen | and wanting my java cohorts feeling comfortable when they came to hack on webgui | 18:57 |
| steveo_aa | No wonder I couldn't Jib WGBP with PBP | 18:57 |
| @preaction | it's just style, and as Dr. Conway says: the most trivial things seem to make for the most venomous arguments | 18:57 |
| @rizen | and he also says, it doesn't really matter what you do as long as you pick a standard and stick to it | 18:58 |
| steveo_aa | No wonder multi-project contractors get headaches. :) | 18:58 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer, i hadn't looked at tax stuff in the commerce system before | 18:59 |
| @rizen | you did a nice job with that | 18:59 |
| wgGuest63 | preaction, i have a problem, one of the server's administrators told me that the site is not online yet | 19:00 |
| @preaction | wgGuest63, then we're probably not going to be able to diagnose. best of luck though. you might want to install firebug and figure out where the display: block is coming from, then make that selector more specific | 19:03 |
| wgGuest63 | ok | 19:05 |
| wgGuest63 | preaction, i have installed the firebug and have found some lines that have display:block | 19:14 |
| @preaction | so you probably need to change the selector to be less general | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, rizen, although I think it was post hacked by drake so I can't take all the credit. | 19:17 |
| @rizen | since it was drake, you can take all the credit | 19:17 |
| wgGuest63 | i am in the html selector | 19:19 |
| wgGuest63 | there are some tags that have the display:block | 19:21 |
| @preaction | Firebug lets you edit the CSS live. so start removing some of those until you find the one that fixes it. (click the little circle with a slash to disable that property) | 19:22 |
| steveo_aa | Apparently my PM is blocked | 19:29 |
| steveo_aa | preaction please ICQ me. | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | steveo_aa: Do you have a registered nick? | 19:29 |
| steveo_aa | apparently not | 19:30 |
| @preaction | do /msg nickserv help register | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | You have to register your nick to PM people on freenode | 19:30 |
| @rizen | it's not conceivable that any locale would charge more than 100% tax is it? | 19:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: I think it is conceivable | 19:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: Lots of smaller countries charge incredible duties products that threaten domestic production. | 19:42 |
| @rizen | ok, but how about greater than 999.99% | 19:42 |
| @rizen | i have the tax field as a float(3,2) | 19:42 |
| wgGuest63 | thanks preaction | 19:43 |
| @rizen | but i'm wondering if i should just make it a full float of 11,2 | 19:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, that sounds crazy high. | 19:43 |
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| @khenn | iphoneguy just IM'd me and thinks approves of our new banner on webgui.org =) | 19:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | And I'm not sure WebGUI needs to take into account crazy protection taxes. | 19:43 |
| @khenn | s/approves// | 19:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | sounds kind of iffy. | 19:43 |
| @preaction | khenn, nice ;) | 19:43 |
| @rizen | ok | 19:43 |
| @preaction | i would say why limit the commerce system if we can avoid it? | 19:43 |
| * perlmonkey2 agrees with preaction | 19:44 | |
| @rizen | my original thought was to protect users from accidentally typing in big numbers, and to limit the database size (good database design doesn't make the field any bigger than it should be) | 19:44 |
| @rizen | but i guess disk space is cheap | 19:44 |
| @rizen | and it isn't that much more info | 19:44 |
| @rizen | and users don't need to be protected from themselves that much | 19:45 |
| @preaction | and i could swear that floats only take up two bytes no matter what | 19:45 |
| @rizen | someone will yell at them if they put in a huge tax | 19:45 |
| @rizen | ok, follow up question | 19:45 |
| @rizen | is two decimal places good enough | 19:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | I wonder how many WG users are in third world countries that are desperately trying to protect their plastic poop market from cheap Chinese imports? | 19:45 |
| @rizen | are there locales that that might charge a wierd tax amount | 19:45 |
| @rizen | like 10.0003% | 19:45 |
| @rizen | or is 10.01 good enough | 19:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | Good question....could just keep it at two decimals and always round up? | 19:46 |
| @preaction | i'd just say make it a double and allow users to do whatever they want with it. 8-byte length, but decimals out to 54 places | 19:46 |
| @rizen | that's what i'm doing now | 19:46 |
| @rizen | ah | 19:46 |
| @rizen | a double rather than a float | 19:46 |
| @rizen | not a bad plan | 19:46 |
| @preaction | float is 4-bytes, 24-places | 19:46 |
| @rizen | wait | 19:47 |
| @rizen | that doesn't help | 19:48 |
| @rizen | in mysql you still have to decide how many digits are allowed after the decimal | 19:48 |
| @rizen | so that brings me back to my original question | 19:48 |
| @preaction | you don't have to specify the precision at all | 19:48 |
| @preaction | just DOUBLE with no (1,2) | 19:48 |
| @rizen | i'm looking at the manual and it says you do | 19:48 |
| @preaction | mysql> create table TEST (ha DOUBLE); | 19:49 |
| @preaction | Query OK, 0 rows affected (0.00 sec) | 19:49 |
| @rizen | oh wait, i just found the section that says you don't | 19:49 |
| @rizen | for compatibility | 19:49 |
| @rizen | mysql's native syntax requires it, but the compatibility doesn't require it | 19:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | rizen: If I have a properly configured WB instance, kept up to date, can I expect it to protect hosted content that is extremely sensitive? What I'm asking is, if the machine is compromised, it won't be through WG, right? | 19:54 |
| @rizen | i can't guarantee that | 19:54 |
| @rizen | but yes, we take every measure possible to make sure that webgui is secure | 19:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | But there is no history of security issues? | 19:55 |
| @rizen | there have been 5 or 6 times in the past 7 years that someone has found a security hole | 19:55 |
| @rizen | and we patched it same day | 19:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | that is an incredible record | 19:56 |
| @rizen | to my knowledge, there has never been a machine compromised due to webgui | 19:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | Not many CMS's can say that. | 19:56 |
| @rizen | well, it could be that we just haven't been tested all that hard by really nasty hackers | 19:56 |
| @rizen | or it could be that we | 19:57 |
| @rizen | 've got good people looking at the code and finding problems | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I vote for 3 decimal places, so that you can do 1 and 1/8 % tax | 19:58 |
| @rizen | i did what preaction suggested and just removed decimal precision from the definition of the fields | 19:58 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well, just your CMS paradigm seems to predispose you to high security. But I'll be hosting data that is highly sensitive, yet we really want the convenience of net access to it. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | lucah is incredible at code audits | 19:59 |
| @rizen | yeah, we're really lucky to have lucas | 19:59 |
| @rizen | also, we've passed security audits by at least 2 professional security teams | 19:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | If only all my users ran linux, I could just set them to ssh tunnel into the network like a VPN. | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | really? I didn't know that | 19:59 |
| @rizen | because of some of the clients we have | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You should publish that | 19:59 |
| perlmonkey2 | that is huge | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, to someplace beside the IRC log :) | 20:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 20:00 |
| @rizen | i think we'd have to get permission from the m to publish their names on it | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of which, we all owe Jukka a big thanks for the logs | 20:00 |
| @rizen | indeed | 20:00 |
| @rizen | oh, and we've also passed several federal government security audits | 20:01 |
| @rizen | though i'm not privvy to what exactly they test during those audits | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | brian_d_foy posted an article about OSCON talks to O'Reilly net that may be worth a read, rizen | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2008/01/18/how-to-tell-your-perl-story.html | 20:02 |
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| * apeiron feeds the RNG so FF won't randomly crash again. | 20:19 | |
| @rizen | i've submitted 5 talks to each OSCON and YAPC | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 20:19 |
| @rizen | plus tavis is going to submit another to OSCON | 20:19 |
| @rizen | both the best and worst case scenario is if all 5 talks get picked up | 20:20 |
| @rizen | which they won't | 20:20 |
| @rizen | well, they might at YAPC if they don't get enough speakers | 20:20 |
| @rizen | but definitely not at OSCON | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | You can have your own track :) | 20:21 |
| @rizen | hehe | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i may just use a few of these at WUC'08 | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | The boys were very excited when they heard they might get to meet you | 20:21 |
| @rizen | i think for the first few days of the week, we should pull a batman and say "oh, you just missed him, he was right here" | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah! | 20:22 |
| @rizen | cuz screwing with kids is fun | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Actually, we'll just ambush you at the airport | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll call everyone coming out of security JT | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | "Dad! That's a lady." | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | "Well son, there's something that I need to tell you about JT...." | 20:23 |
| @rizen | oh, Sarah says she wants to come out an hang out with kathy during the conference | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll let her know. | 20:23 |
| @rizen | she also wants to visit some friends and relatives while she's out there | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | It's kind of a group package, though | 20:24 |
| @rizen | so it wouldn't be a total domination of kathy | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | 1 wife, 2 kids, 1 golden retriever and some cats | 20:24 |
| @rizen | oh sure | 20:24 |
| @rizen | she knows | 20:24 |
| @rizen | she just really liked hanging out with you guys | 20:24 |
| @rizen | and she thought that maybe we (the 6 of us) could do dinner one or two nights after the conference | 20:24 |
| @rizen | i guess it would be 7 if you count tavis | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | with enough notice, we could cut that down by two, and stay out late a night | 20:25 |
| @rizen | well here's your notice | 20:25 |
| @rizen | =) | 20:25 |
| * perlDreamer is duly notified | 20:25 | |
| @rizen | her step brother also lives in portland, so she'll be spending quite a bit of time over there is my guess | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Nuestra casa es veustra casa | 20:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | I wish Test::Class was a little more flexible about setup and teardown methods | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you could say whether a method had one | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you can do that by using different modules (one with and one without setup/teardown), but it seems weird to do that. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I think all of our tests need to use quotes from The Shawshank Redemption | 21:00 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5297 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm: | 21:18 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Made method names to follow WGBP guidelines. | 21:18 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Converted random data in quotes from The Shawshank Redemption. | 21:18 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Added a simple skeleton method for this test class. | 21:18 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Converted 3 more chunks of tests. | 21:18 |
| @rizen | i concur with perlDreamers assertion | 21:22 |
| @preaction | sure it shouldn't be Demolition Man? what's your boggle? | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | is($rizen->concur, $perlDreamer->assert()) | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Get busy hackin', or get busy dyin' | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | tests just up and disappeared like a fart in the wind, man | 21:27 |
| @rizen | that test has no earthly business being there | 21:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | all they found was a vim editor, worn down to the nubbin' | 21:28 |
| @rizen | $test->areYouGuilty | 21:28 |
| @rizen | it always returns no | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and in list context, it tells you why | 21:29 |
| * perlDreamer goes afk to lunch | 21:29 | |
| @rizen | and the colosal WebGUi stood there looking magnanamus | 21:30 |
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| @preaction | what's a good name for a single entry in an address book? | 22:05 |
| @preaction | InfoCard? | 22:05 |
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| @apeiron | preaction, InfoCard is, or rather was, the name of an MS technology dealing with identity -- not sure you want to use it. | 22:11 |
| @preaction | it's close to vCard though, which is a standard for identity info | 22:11 |
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| @preaction | the idea being that this chapter leads into the next chapter (Frank's wobject chapter, if he desires), which is about how to make something that can display and manage InfoCard assets | 22:12 |
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| @rizen | vcard | 22:14 |
| @rizen | business card | 22:14 |
| @rizen | person | 22:15 |
| @rizen | person in rolodex | 22:15 |
| @rizen | address in addressbook | 22:15 |
| @preaction | vcard or infocard sounds good. i need to use something that doesn't sound like it's leading to something else, just in case frank doesn't want to continue the theme | 22:18 |
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| wgGuest78 | im having some issues uploading documents using webgui. it seems from the logs that I dont have permissions set correctly on the public folder. | 22:33 |
| wgGuest78 | can anyone tell me what the settings should be. | 22:33 |
| wgGuest78 | (im using WRE on osX | 22:33 |
| @preaction | i would guess that the user that apache is running as needs to be able to write to the public folder | 22:36 |
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| wgGuest78 | by default in webgui what is the User it runs as? | 22:39 |
| @preaction | webgui runs as whatever the apache is running as. | 22:40 |
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| wgGuest78 | thx ill give that a try | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | would you say there have been more, less, or the same number of people coming to IRC since I put the IRC ad up a few days ago? | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe a few more | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Sat Jan 19 2008 | ||
| @rizen | i know it hasn't been a very long time since the ad went up | 00:00 |
| @rizen | just thought i'd check about the initial results | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | has anyone jumped on the VPS bandwagon? | 00:00 |
| @rizen | we haven't launched it yet | 00:00 |
| @rizen | but i'm sure some people will jump on it fairly quickly | 00:00 |
| @preaction | i know at least one client that will probably want it, since they continue to request things of webgui that require custom code | 00:01 |
| @rizen | i'm actually considering changing the os on those boxes to ubuntu rather than cent | 00:01 |
| @rizen | because the data center will only support cent on the vps if we use 64-bit cent | 00:02 |
| @rizen | and that means i have to compile the wre for 64-bit cent | 00:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | ..need a new SR quote | 00:09 |
| @rizen | did you use the magnanamus one yet? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | No | 00:10 |
| @rizen | and the colosal WebGUi stood there looking magnanamus | 00:10 |
| @rizen | mag is spelled wrong though | 00:10 |
| @rizen | magnanimous | 00:10 |
| @rizen | there we go | 00:10 |
| @rizen | WebGUI is a bit of a rock hound | 00:11 |
| @preaction | i know we have prepareView for content-chunking, but why? is it the expense of instantiating the template? or is it the lack of expense of doing it? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | i'll test one side with alabaster and the other side with soap stone | 00:11 |
| @preaction | if it were expensive, wouldn't we want to send the header before we instantiated the template? | 00:11 |
| @rizen | we do it so that the template can shove stuff into the header | 00:11 |
| @preaction | ha, thanks | 00:11 |
| @rizen | do you need more than those perlDreamer? | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Nope, I'm good | 00:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I did some IMDB surfing and chose :We sat and drank with the sun on our shoulders and felt like free men. | 00:12 |
| @rizen | hehe, i can quote almost the entire movie from memory | 00:12 |
| @rizen | oh, so you're using real quotes | 00:13 |
| @rizen | not the ones i'm interjecting with webgui speak | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Drink it up while it's cold, Gooey's | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | You're going to look awfully funny testing my code with no teeth. | 00:14 |
| @rizen | Far as Gooey's concerned, there's only three ways to spend the taxpayer's hard-earned when it comes to testing. More tests. More tests. More tests. | 00:15 |
| +perlDreamer | We should have done this Test::Class thing years ago | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | It's good stuff | 00:16 |
| @rizen | I mean, seriously, how often do you really look at Gooey's shoes? | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | The following April, WebGUI did websites for half the guards at Shawshank | 00:18 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:18 |
| @rizen | Java is a dangerous thing. Drive a man insane. It's got no place here. Better get used to the idea. | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't have WebGUI stuffed down the front of my pants right now, I'm sorry to say, but I'll get it. | 00:19 |
| @rizen | I like to think Gooey was singin' about something so beautiful it can't be expressed in words, and makes your heart ache because of it. | 00:20 |
| @rizen | Gooey was here. | 00:21 |
| @rizen | you can't beat that one | 00:21 |
| @rizen | it's unbeatable | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | We oughta file that under 'Educational' too, oughten we? | 00:21 |
| @rizen | hehe | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | "rizen was too" | 00:22 |
| @rizen | I doubt their kick up any fuss. Not for an old hacker like me. | 00:22 |
| @rizen | greatest movie ever made | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Promise me, JT. If you ever get out, you'll find that spot. | 00:23 |
| @rizen | You've had worse from hacking. What'd you do to set him off? | 00:25 |
| @rizen | ok...got to stop quoting now and actually watch the movie | 00:26 |
| @rizen | it's friday afternoon | 00:26 |
| @rizen | it's time | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | time for you | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | I ain't gonna count to 3. I ain't even goin' ta count to 1. You will shut the fuck up or I will sing you a lullabye. | 00:49 |
| @rizen | Hadley is one of the coolest characters ever made. | 00:50 |
| @rizen | And no one could have played him better than Clancy Brown | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | No, he was perfect in that role. | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Maybe Michael Ironside, but he doesn't have Brown's presence. | 01:27 |
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| metanil | i searched wiki but there isn't any information about Dashboard, is there any place to get that information like Dashboard API ? | 01:38 |
| @preaction | the source is really the only way | 01:47 |
| @preaction | it's not a very complicated asset, it just calls the view method of other assets | 01:47 |
| @preaction | in the order that the user specifies (or the default order) | 01:48 |
| @preaction | i was in there fixing things a couple months ago. there isn't much to it really, even though it could use a bit of a cleanup | 01:48 |
| metanil | in some step .. it use shortcuts .. does that mean its creating shortcut asset from real assets?? | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that's part of how you define what a dashboard can use | 01:51 |
| @preaction | looks like shortcuts are the only way you can define what a dashboard can use. the code looks like it's expecting shortcuts | 01:52 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5298 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/Test.pm: | 02:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Convert a whole chunk of tests | 02:03 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Try using Test::Differences instead of Test::Deep for small arrays. | 02:03 |
| metanil | I put some articles inside dashboard assets in asset manager. Those article appears while we view dashboard. | 02:29 |
| @preaction | weird. the code seems to want shortcuts, maybe i'm just looking at it wrong. it's some seriously ugly code | 02:30 |
| metanil | :) | 02:33 |
| metanil | in dashboard API i cannot figure out where the content(body) of Asset(say article) is set. | 02:46 |
| metanil | If the api itself create shortcuts for any asset then does it handle the content to show (within same Article) in dashboard by itself?? | 02:46 |
| @preaction | no, it calls the view() method | 02:46 |
| metanil | you mean content=>$child->view .. ?/ | 02:48 |
| metanil | (i guess it is) | 02:48 |
| @preaction | yes | 02:53 |
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| metanil | Can i use like 'description.first.100words' while displaying the content of article in dashboard. I looked around Asset::Shortcut but couldn't find how to do it. | 03:30 |
| @preaction | you'd have to override the template in the shortcut, and give it your own template | 03:41 |
| metanil | hmm.. | 03:42 |
| metanil | does getShortcutByCriteria method in Asset::Shortcut will created shortcuts for all assets having their metadata criteria matched. (no matter where those assets resides.. not only within dashboard asset)? | 03:42 |
| @preaction | dunno, i've never seen that method used | 03:45 |
| @preaction | don't rightly know why it's even there | 03:45 |
| metanil | :D | 03:45 |
| metanil | but it seems like interesting to me.. cause it might be able show content in the dashboard according to related "phrase" or "word" given in metadata of any assets. | 03:47 |
| metanil | BTW, earlier you mentioned that i need to change the template in the shortcut to get that. I did already changed it and it worked obviously .. but i do not want to change it in original article template. I just want it apply when showing in dashboard.. Now both original article and dashboard content is get filtered. | 03:59 |
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| CIA-20 | WebGUI: colin * r5300 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (4 files in 2 dirs): | 07:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Add some Shawshank quotes for collateral. | 07:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Remove the use of Test::Differences, it's only good for | 07:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: ordered data. | 07:33 |
| CIA-20 | WebGUI: Convert copy method to Test::Class | 07:33 |
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| af_ | Hi, I have to move an existing webgui install to a fresh system. there is any doc about it? | 11:48 |
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| Klaus_ | Hi, I'm lookin for an easy implementation for integrating a ticker in webgui. Perhaps within an article and a macro. Is there something in YUI I can use? I haven't yet found something. Any other ideas? | 15:33 |
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| WebGUI | I am tha big cahuna | 16:41 |
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| el_rawyy | Hi, | 18:03 |
| @preaction | hi | 18:04 |
| el_rawyy | I'm new and I need some help, anyone can? | 18:06 |
| @preaction | perlbot anyone | 18:06 |
| perlbot | Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help. | 18:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | hi | 18:06 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlbot help | 18:06 |
| perlbot | (fact) : tell (who) about (what) : (what) > (who) : learn (what) as (info) : relearn (fact) as (info) : phone (phone #) : shorten (url) : shorten it : search (keyword) : cpan (module) : docs (module) : perldoc -f (function) : jargon (term) : math (expr): fortune : flip : host (type) (record) : rot13 (text) : roll (die) : tempconv (temp) : scramble (foo) : 8ball (question) : slap (who) : diss (who) : top/bottom (number) karma : geoip (ip) | 18:06 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 18:06 |
| perlbot | Don't ask to ask, just ask. | 18:07 |
| perlmonkey2 | el_rawyy: What do you need help with? | 18:07 |
| el_rawyy | I'm sorry, I'm using ubuntu 7.04 and wre 0.8.1 | 18:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | Don't be sorry, you were just being polite :P | 18:08 |
| perlmonkey2 | What's the problem? | 18:08 |
| el_rawyy | I'm too confused I have an idea and I can't do it in webgui | 18:09 |
| el_rawyy | I want to make a form , and db and I don't know how to make it as a macro? | 18:09 |
| @preaction | you want to make a way for someone to enter data? | 18:10 |
| el_rawyy | I'm sorry again , but I used to be php developer but it is too different with webgui? | 18:10 |
| el_rawyy | My idea is a dictionary. | 18:10 |
| perlmonkey2 | el_rawyy: Well, it is different in that WG uses Perl. | 18:10 |
| @preaction | macros shouldn't be used for data entry, as something has to process the form. if you want to make an application, or anything that accepts and stores data, you want to make an Asset | 18:11 |
| el_rawyy | Yeah, I know perl enough to program but I don't know how to make my idea in webgui? | 18:11 |
| @preaction | but, can you not make an interface to an existing dictionary system? it would be easier to make a frontend to Aspell or something | 18:11 |
| el_rawyy | Preaction : You mean I can't make a form in a web page and retrieve data from my sql. | 18:13 |
| @preaction | sure you can, you could even use Macros to do it, but why would you? | 18:14 |
| @preaction | why would you use macros when an asset would be easier? | 18:14 |
| el_rawyy | I thought that macros is easier in programming | 18:14 |
| @preaction | it is easier to program a macro to do what a macro should do than it is to program an asset to do what an asset should do | 18:15 |
| @preaction | it is harder to program a macro to do what an asset should do than it is to program an asset to do what an asset should do | 18:16 |
| @preaction | thusly, since what you want to do is what an asset should do, you should make an asset | 18:16 |
| el_rawyy | Forgive me I'm completely new and my boss force me to use webgui as a developer and I'm lost , I've read wiki and discuss but it wasn't enough to understand how each process. | 18:17 |
| @preaction | hopefully we'll have the developer's guide out soon, but JT says it'll be april | 18:18 |
| @preaction | just power through, slow and steady wins the race | 18:18 |
| el_rawyy | Yeah, but he request from me to do that in 3 weeks. | 18:18 |
| @preaction | you might want to look at the Article wobject first, lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm, it's just about the most simple asset that exists. | 18:19 |
| @preaction | pay attention to the definition() sub, that's probably the most important thing, and the view() sub, which ties for first | 18:19 |
| el_rawyy | Thank you preaction, for your help. | 18:20 |
| @preaction | if you want to make a copy of the Article and play with it, you'll need to change the package line, the tableName and className in the definition, and then you'll need to make the table in the database with your tableName (and copy the Article table probably). then you can start mucking around | 18:20 |
| el_rawyy | I'm sorry, but one more question? | 18:21 |
| @preaction | Folders are another simpler one, but it does displaying of other assets | 18:21 |
| @preaction | go ahead, that's what we're here for | 18:21 |
| @preaction | and if i'm not here, i expect other people are. we're just about a 24-hour shop | 18:21 |
| el_rawyy | Thank you, for all. | 18:22 |
| el_rawyy | I want to know , when I do some thing like a web page and database and so on , I have to make it through an asset? | 18:23 |
| el_rawyy | I mean like web page design. | 18:24 |
| @preaction | think of an asset as an application | 18:24 |
| el_rawyy | Forgive me all, English is not my native language. | 18:24 |
| @preaction | if it's just a page you're looking for, to give some information to the user, there are already assets that can do that | 18:24 |
| @preaction | a DataForm asset could even do what you've described, keep track of dictionary entries | 18:25 |
| @preaction | if you want webgui to interact with the user in a new way, you're going to need to make an asset | 18:25 |
| el_rawyy | Thank you , I think it is more clear to me now. | 18:26 |
| el_rawyy | I'm going to begin and I will back to you again if you don't mind. | 18:27 |
| el_rawyy | Thank you very much. | 18:28 |
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| perlmonkey2 | suck.....took me 10 minutes to read through "Pro JavaScript Techniques" and cover the interesting stuff I didn't know about. | 18:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | $45 for that. | 18:30 |
| @preaction | whoops | 18:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | Oh well, it is a good reference book also. | 18:31 |
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| Klaus_ | Hi, I'm lookin for an easy implementation for integrating a ticker in webgui. Perhaps within an article and a macro. Is there something in YUI I can use? I haven't yet found something. Any other ideas? | 19:59 |
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| WebGUI | If I use a subscription... the WebGUI Content Managers Guide 7.4 says: the user should be added to the appropriate group.... | 21:27 |
| WebGUI | I use the 'Cash' payment method | 21:27 |
| WebGUI | yet, when I go to the list pending transactions after a user has requested a payment (and bought me a beer at the local bar) when I click 'complete transaction' the user Admin is placed in the group I created the subscription for, not the user that requested the payment | 21:29 |
| WebGUI | I cannot seem to find any clues nor in the Content managers guide or the commerce primer | 21:30 |
| WebGUI | :) | 21:30 |
| WebGUI | shouldn't the user that requested the payment automatically be added to the product group? | 21:36 |
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| @preaction | that sounds a bit bugg | 21:46 |
| @preaction | y | 21:46 |
| @preaction | but then, i don't think subscriptions were designed with the idea of paying in cash, as they're a recurring payment | 21:46 |
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| @preaction | WebGUI, yes, it's a bug. i'd post it to the bug list | 21:53 |
| WebGUI | oh man | 21:55 |
| WebGUI | why am I alway stumbling upon bug after bug | 21:55 |
| WebGUI | I must be doomed | 21:55 |
| @preaction | you might be able to get around it by using a Product with an Action | 21:55 |
| @preaction | because you're using parts of webgui that most people don't use? | 21:56 |
| WebGUI | because I am using parts that were never designed to be really used? | 21:56 |
| @preaction | plainblack's been using the subscription system since WebGUI Done Right | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | ah | 21:57 |
| @preaction | just not in conjunction with the Cash plugin, since that didn't exist (iirc) | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | but not using manual | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | yup | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | that | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | now the european people are not into using creditcard | 21:57 |
| WebGUI | cards | 21:57 |
| @preaction | JT has admitted that the current Commerce system is pretty much crap, and he's been busy for the last couple months designing the specifications for the new one | 21:58 |
| WebGUI | so I'll have to hack in using paypall or Ideal or something | 21:58 |
| WebGUI | I know | 21:58 |
| @preaction | did you try using a Product instead? you can add users to groups with products these days | 21:58 |
| WebGUI | but I have an eager brother that wants to be able to sell content from his site | 21:58 |
| @preaction | buying a product can add a user to a group | 21:58 |
| WebGUI | ah | 21:58 |
| WebGUI | I think I am using a mix of products and subscriptions | 21:59 |
| WebGUI | I think | 21:59 |
| @preaction | laugh. the product uses the current user as well | 22:00 |
| WebGUI | adding payed costumers to a group by hand might be the right solution while JT is still programming | 22:00 |
| WebGUI | hehe | 22:00 |
| WebGUI | so it's flawed anyway | 22:00 |
| WebGUI | :) | 22:00 |
| WebGUI | sounds like some great copy paste programming | 22:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, there's no way to get the user that's doing it, but please post the bug so that JT knows this is a problem | 22:01 |
| @preaction | i can't comment on what was going on, but when i added that Product Actions Tab thing, i complained long and hard about the state of the commerce system :p | 22:01 |
| WebGUI | hehe | 22:02 |
| WebGUI | and all that helped was to frustrate some people? | 22:03 |
| @preaction | it was planned that the 8.0 release is the release that Commerce will be fixed in. and if JT's speccing it out now, I expect that will be happening sooner rather than later | 22:03 |
| WebGUI | I've mailed it to JT | 22:04 |
| @preaction | there is a bug list | 22:04 |
| WebGUI | and I even sent you a cc of it :) | 22:04 |
| @preaction | i mean, even if it's not fixable because it's an API issue, it's easier to keep track of things on the bug list | 22:04 |
| WebGUI | I know | 22:05 |
| WebGUI | read the pre-able of my e-mail and find out just how lazy I am | 22:05 |
| @preaction | not too lazy to change your nickname :p | 22:06 |
| WebGUI | uh | 22:07 |
| WebGUI | /whoami | 22:07 |
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| SynGUI | that is better :) | 22:07 |
| SynGUI | sooner is often months or even years away though | 22:12 |
| @preaction | yeah, but later is even later ;) | 22:14 |
| SynGUI | are there example site who are using paypal in conjunction with WebGUI to sell content? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | not sure it can be done, since paypal requires you go to their site. i believe there used to be a paypal gateway, not sure if it still works though | 22:18 |
| SynGUI | hmm | 22:18 |
| @preaction | in the contribs section, i mean | 22:19 |
| SynGUI | yea | 22:19 |
| SynGUI | I cannot find anyting in the 'get add ons' section on paypal | 22:21 |
| @preaction | must not work then | 22:21 |
| SynGUI | http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/secure-selling-w/-expiring-download | 22:22 |
| SynGUI | that sound promising but it is old | 22:23 |
| @preaction | wouldn't the payment gateway include some sort of transactionID, which the site can then (a) keep track of and (b) verify using some sort of API? | 22:24 |
| @preaction | i mean, in the request back to the site | 22:24 |
| @preaction | eh. it'll be part of the new commerce system, which of course is of little recourse to you | 22:25 |
| SynGUI | I don't know | 22:25 |
| SynGUI | yea | 22:25 |
| SynGUI | it's a repetition of my life using webgui, I always want to use a part of webgui that hasn't been buillt or completed yet and I always need it now, not in 6 months | 22:26 |
| SynGUI | and paying for it often isn't an option too | 22:26 |
| SynGUI | and having it programmed by someone else or myself isn't either | 22:27 |
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| SynGUI | hey | 22:39 |
| BartJol | hi | 22:39 |
| SynGUI | if it isn't bart | 22:39 |
| BartJol | well it is | 22:40 |
| @preaction | is it? | 22:40 |
| SynGUI | it is | 22:40 |
| BartJol | yes | 22:40 |
| SynGUI | this is what we need... https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_expresscheckout.html | 22:41 |
| BartJol | for the clothing guy you mean? | 22:43 |
| SynGUI | nope | 22:43 |
| SynGUI | for www.rozekoeken.nl | 22:43 |
| BartJol | ah | 22:43 |
| SynGUI | that together with Ideal | 22:43 |
| SynGUI | and for our own site too | 22:43 |
| BartJol | could eb usefull | 22:44 |
| SynGUI | is vital | 22:44 |
| BartJol | well, apt get it | 22:45 |
| SynGUI | I can see plainblack is only accepting creditcard payments right now | 22:45 |
| BartJol | just here because the driving exam cd crashed.... | 22:47 |
| SynGUI | ah | 22:47 |
| BartJol | mm credit cards aren't enough in holland | 22:47 |
| SynGUI | creditcards are not very secure too | 22:48 |
| BartJol | like ov-chipcards | 22:48 |
| SynGUI | hehe | 22:48 |
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| +MrHairgrease | SynQhasAstrangeN: kook in je eigen sop gaar! | 22:54 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | mistahairgrease | 22:54 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | :) | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | hoi | 22:54 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | I allready found out this nice link... https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_expresscheckout.html | 22:54 |
| BartJol | hey martin | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | bart! | 22:55 |
| BartJol | koen is leaving | 22:57 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | I'm going to take the A2 now (that's the route 66 of the netherlands) | 22:58 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | listening to some fine 'de dijk' blues | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | de dijk? | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | well you rather than me =) | 22:59 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | eheh | 22:59 |
| SynQhasAstrangeN | l8er | 23:02 |
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| Syunk | re | 00:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | Syunk? | 00:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happened to synq? | 00:40 |
| Syunk | dunno | 00:41 |
| Syunk | nick name taken | 00:41 |
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| Syunk | probably by me | 00:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 00:42 |
| @preaction | [16:46] * synq :No such nick/channel | 00:46 |
| @preaction | LIES! | 00:46 |
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| SynQ | that is better | 00:54 |
| SynQ | http://xkcd.com | 00:55 |
| SynQ | specially for bart | 00:55 |
| SynQ | doug: happy now? | 00:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | changing your doesn't make you less a lyer | 00:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 00:58 |
| SynQ | I didn't deny that though :) | 00:58 |
| SynQ | where is rizen? | 01:00 |
| SynQ | he has no kids, so that can't be why he isn't here | 01:00 |
| @preaction | he's working on managing his time better, so he's getting rid of a lot of his distractions | 01:00 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:01 |
| SynQ | so now we have been degraded to mere distractions | 01:01 |
| SynQ | oh I see, he has left the distractions to be handled by you doug | 01:01 |
| SynQ | but then I have to ask you, are we doing a good job at distracting the replacement handler of JT's distractions? | 01:02 |
| @preaction | let me answer your question by posing another: have i finished my last chapter for the WebGUI Developer's Guide? | 01:03 |
| SynQ | is that a rhetorical question? | 01:03 |
| SynQ | :) | 01:04 |
| @preaction | no | 01:08 |
| @preaction | and no | 01:08 |
| @preaction | but i'm close i think | 01:08 |
| SynQ | great | 01:08 |
| @preaction | another 4-6 hours (to complete another 2-4 pages) | 01:08 |
| SynQ | what is is about? | 01:08 |
| SynQ | it | 01:08 |
| SynQ | the last chapter? | 01:08 |
| @preaction | creating assets | 01:13 |
| SynQ | ah | 01:13 |
| @preaction | though Frank is writing about creating Wobjects, so my scope is limited | 01:13 |
| SynQ | hmm | 01:14 |
| SynQ | Frank the once in a two year tank? | 01:14 |
| @preaction | exactly | 01:14 |
| SynQ | great | 01:15 |
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| SynQ | oi mister hairgrease | 01:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | koen | 01:22 |
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| wgGuest26 | Greetings | 08:25 |
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| SynQ | awake | 15:32 |
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| SynQ | mr. hairgrease, awake again? | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | like everyday | 16:41 |
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| SynQ | oi Doug | 17:11 |
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| @preaction | oi indeed | 17:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | any day you don't wake up is probably going to be a bad day. | 17:55 |
| * perlmonkey2 had a freak out moment when he almost abandoned all the survey code and start over.....Was going to move everything to a super thin client paradigm, with every object being updated after every change, for about 2K of uncompressed bandwidth for every change to the survey. But I found a simple elegant solution right before I started fresh. yay for ephipanies. | 18:19 | |
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| perlmonkey2 | Crap, my solution was to make each section li have its own ul to contain question li's. But an event handler for 'click' on the section li means that clicking on a question will always trigger only the section li's click event. | 18:23 |
| * perlmonkey2 ponders quiting and digging ditches. | 18:23 | |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, but the "affected element" will be the question LI | 18:26 |
| @preaction | Event.element or something or other | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | Hah, create two sepeate ul's inside of a div, instead of having one ul embedded in another. Then each ul can have its own click event, but the section ul can be a draggable handle for the parent div. | 18:26 |
| @preaction | in this way you could put an onclick even on the <body> and still figure out exactly what element was clicked | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html create a new section then add a qestion to that new section. If you click on a question, the section event is fired. | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess you can just create a new qusetion and the default section will show the point, but the default section is not draggable. | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | When you click on a question, its configuration should show up in the edit div. But instead the sections config info does. | 18:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | But, a parent div with two sibling ul's will work. Just make the section UL the draggable handle for the entire div. I'm so glad I went through every example in the YUI lib. | 18:29 |
| @preaction | i do love large javascript applications, but they are a pain in the ass to build :p | 18:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | I was thinking about JT's idea of a super thin client. But then the state of the survey is stored on the server. And at least 1 DB call will have to be made per click of the mouse in the client. So everythign would have to be extremely optimized for the user experience not to suck. Plus I'm not sure how much clockwork it saves me in the client, since the client still needs to know how to update any possible change, or reload the enti | 18:32 |
| @preaction | i think his idea was to do things in Perl, rather than JS where they belong | 18:34 |
| @preaction | i'd agree with him if i didn't spend 2 days doing tree-building and storage exercises in both | 18:35 |
| perlmonkey2 | Adding a network layer to the display logic just seems like a whole lot of "hard". | 18:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | and JS is a fairly handy language :) | 18:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | Plus minimizing the network traffic will make the app "feel" much faster. | 18:37 |
| @preaction | it is. it has a lot of perl-isms that i like. it's not too OO | 18:37 |
| @preaction | objects can be anything, etc... | 18:37 |
| perlmonkey2 | yes, I really like that part. | 18:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | amorphous things you can just slap together. | 18:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | tack on bits when you need to. | 18:38 |
| @preaction | the tricky bits are the browser implementations, but that's what YUI is for. i sometimes wonder if we should've gone with something lighter though | 18:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay, it made it ugly, but it worked :) http://www.lostokies.com:81/tree.html | 18:39 |
| @preaction | i have sites where page loads are 200+kB, and they're international sites | 18:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'm guessing that outer div needs to have the style info with the section ul, and the section ul should have no style. | 18:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | ouch | 18:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | 200KB is a large site if it isn't cached. | 18:39 |
| @preaction | 200kB is just YUI, not counting the content | 18:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh, that isn't bad....YUI will all be cached. | 18:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | so the first page load sucks, but after that it is a simple ping/no-update taking up 2Xlatency. | 18:40 |
| @preaction | i lied. the entire page is 354KB | 18:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | sweet jumping bullfrogs, that is huge. | 18:40 |
| @preaction | that's the home page, with barely any content | 18:41 |
| @preaction | and now that i'm looking at it, these JPGs do not need to be that big. they could be GIFs or PNGs and be much smaller | 18:41 |
| @preaction | a 220x90 JPG is 6KB, in a 24bpp PNG it would be... | 18:42 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 24 * 220 * 90 /1024 | 18:42 |
| perlbot | 464.0625 | 18:42 |
| @preaction | yay i'm smart! | 18:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 18:43 |
| @preaction | but there's the compression factor | 18:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | now if you can do that 100 more times, you'll havea fast page :P | 18:43 |
| @preaction | oh, dur, it's BITS per pixel, not bytes | 18:43 |
| @preaction | perlbot math 24 * 220 * 90 / 1024 / 8 | 18:43 |
| perlbot | 58.0078125 | 18:43 |
| @preaction | now we can add compression to 58kB | 18:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | Actually the more I learn about JS, the more I like it. This is kind of fun stuff. | 18:52 |
| perlmonkey2 | never thought I'd want to do GUI dev work, as it always seemed so transient. Maybe its good today, but what have you really accomplished in the world? But it is a lot more satisfying than I ever thought it would be. | 18:53 |
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| dionak | it's filling our logs and causing service issues. | 00:06 |
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| @preaction | you know the books we write are good when I can learn something from them ;) | 01:58 |
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| SynQ2 | and moving from desk to bed | 02:10 |
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| SynQ2 | oi radix | 02:21 |
| SynQ2 | are you there? | 02:21 |
| +Radix-wrk | yah | 02:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm here | 02:22 |
| SynQ2 | how are you? | 02:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | I'm good :) | 02:22 |
| +Radix-wrk | yourself? | 02:23 |
| SynQ2 | just fine | 02:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | Good to hear :) | 02:23 |
| SynQ2 | I was thinking about you last week | 02:23 |
| SynQ2 | when I found all those clippy koala's | 02:23 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 02:23 |
| SynQ2 | they are all over the place | 02:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | haha | 02:24 |
| +Radix-wrk | sorry.. I did end up bringing quite a few :) | 02:24 |
| SynQ2 | hehe | 02:24 |
| SynQ2 | remind me to take a shipload of wooden shoes if I ever come to australia | 02:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | hehe | 02:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | done :) | 02:25 |
| +Radix-wrk | Well I'm eagerly hoping my free playstation3 will arrive this week. | 02:26 |
| SynQ2 | wow | 02:27 |
| SynQ2 | how come free | 02:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | Sony are doing a deal where they give away a free ps3 with every hidef lcd bought | 02:27 |
| +Radix-wrk | and I bought one just after christmas :) | 02:27 |
| SynQ2 | ah | 02:28 |
| SynQ2 | good deal | 02:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | nice big 40" lcd - 1920x1080 res | 02:28 |
| SynQ2 | not bad | 02:28 |
| SynQ2 | still a bit of a low res panel though ;) | 02:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah - hoping the ps3 arrives this week | 02:28 |
| +Radix-wrk | oh? so what do you have? :) | 02:28 |
| SynQ2 | 30" dell wrsomething 2056x1600 | 02:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | but only 30"! | 02:29 |
| SynQ2 | it's the resolution that counts | 02:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah, trying to get anything at that high a resolution is hard tho :) | 02:29 |
| SynQ2 | just today I was looking if I could allready buy a higher res screen | 02:29 |
| SynQ2 | it sure is | 02:29 |
| +Radix-wrk | there's some cool curved screens coming soon according to the recent CES | 02:30 |
| SynQ2 | I bought a new videocard just to do that | 02:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | alienware and NEC both have some funky new thing that's the equivalent of three 22"s all stuck together as one | 02:30 |
| +Radix-wrk | I have 2 x 22" lcd's on my desktop here at work - 3360 x 1050 res | 02:31 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 02:31 |
| SynQ2 | I might just buy a second 30" screen | 02:31 |
| SynQ2 | :) | 02:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | you'll get a sore neck :) | 02:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | I couldn't give up two monitors myself - had dual screens for years now and couldn't give it up | 02:32 |
| +Radix-wrk | just too handy having two maximized apps on screen at any one time | 02:32 |
| SynQ2 | well | 02:33 |
| SynQ2 | since I have that 30" i don't like maximized apps som much | 02:34 |
| SynQ2 | especially firefoxes | 02:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | yeah | 02:34 |
| @preaction | pfft, virtual desktops work just fine | 02:34 |
| +Radix-wrk | preaction: nah.. I find I like having a dev environment in one window and application running in another.. so handy for debugging gui stuff | 02:35 |
| SynQ2 | virtual desktops are handy too | 02:36 |
| SynQ2 | but screen real estate is wonderfull | 02:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | this utility is handy on windows for large screens btw - http://reptils.free.fr/ | 02:37 |
| SynQ2 | and this utility is handy for wasting time http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/Game.asp | 02:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | haha.. yes, I've played that one :) | 02:39 |
| @preaction | dtd is pwn | 02:39 |
| +Radix-wrk | I've been playing ogame.org lately | 02:40 |
| @preaction | the multiplayer one they have on casualcollective is fun | 02:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | that's a good timewaster too | 02:40 |
| @preaction | worldofsolitaire.com was built using YUI | 02:40 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 02:40 |
| SynQ2 | perhaps I should play ogame.org when I fail at dtd | 02:40 |
| +Radix-wrk | It's very time consuming at the start.. but fun too once you get going | 02:41 |
| SynQ2 | hmm | 02:41 |
| SynQ2 | it's 1:40 here | 02:41 |
| SynQ2 | in the middle of the night | 02:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | heh | 02:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | you're 8 hours behind me :) | 02:42 |
| SynQ2 | uh huh | 02:42 |
| SynQ2 | is it monday with you then? | 02:42 |
| +Radix-wrk | aye | 02:42 |
| SynQ2 | ok | 02:43 |
| SynQ2 | then I am indeed | 02:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | go to bed.. even your typing is sounding tired :) | 02:45 |
| SynQ2 | I am in bed | 02:45 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: colin * r5302 /branch/colin-experimental/t/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: Subclass WebGUI::Storage::Test for WebGUI::Storage::Image::Test. | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: The tests are running twice for some reason, and inheritance isn't | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: working correctly, although I thought I followed the POD recipe | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: exactly. | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: Add a testing stub for Storage/Image.t | 03:33 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: Make sure each testing module returns true on purpose. | 03:33 |
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| CIA-14 | WebGUI: doug * r5303 /branch/doug-experimental/ (4 files in 3 dirs): views tab works, i think. view_* methods seem to work. now to build a report sub-class and start testing. | 05:48 |
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| CIA-14 | WebGUI: doug * r5304 /branch/doug-experimental/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Report.pm: all the bugs seem to be fixed. now to make the Asset Report asset. another fun JS application | 06:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:33 |
| AMH_bob | Good morning! | 15:34 |
| AMH_bob | ow, i hope it's a good one for yiou.... | 15:34 |
| SDuensin | Eh. | 15:35 |
| SDuensin | Holiday here for most. Not me. | 15:35 |
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| CIA-14 | WebGUI: colin * r5305 /branch/colin-experimental/t/lib/WebGUI/Storage/ (Test.pm Image/Test.pm): interim check-in while I work on a gcc bug in perl | 18:48 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Its the end of the world | 20:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | When I remove a dom node with YUI drag and drop events, even after unregistering the events, a new node using the same node id with new events doens't work. | 20:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | WTF, it just magically started working | 20:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | can anyone here verify this is working? | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: looking for a favor... | 20:45 |
| @preaction | what up | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I found a core perl bug | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I can duplicate it on two different machines | 20:46 |
| @preaction | noice | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Want to try for three? :) | 20:46 |
| @preaction | surely | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | check out my branch | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | install Test::Class | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | then cd into the t directory | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and do | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf perl Storage/Image.t | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | with the right WebGUI config file | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you should see this | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Creating image | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | *** glibc detected *** perl: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0a748208 *** | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | at the end of some TAP output | 20:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | pd: couldn't it be that you get the same error on two boxes because both are running the wre and thus the same perl? | 20:48 |
| @preaction | but everybody's running perl 5.8.8 | 20:49 |
| @preaction | you might want to include the build flags in the error report, but still | 20:50 |
| @preaction | wait, i don't think colin is running WRE | 20:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 20:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | never mind then | 20:50 |
| @preaction | still loading Test::Class, but i got a site under your branch | 20:51 |
| @preaction | making Chili+Cheese dip for lunch. that + corn chips = mmmm | 20:51 |
| * MrHairgrease is more into diner right now | 20:52 | |
| @preaction | looks like a no on reproducing under the WRE in MacOSX 10.5 Intel Core Duo (32bit) | 20:54 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer, http://webgui.pastebin.com/m6fa5ec57 <- response | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's fedora specific | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | The two boxes are FC7 and FC6 | 21:06 |
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| spnshinquisition | I got an easy question for you guys today | 21:14 |
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| spnshinquisition | I have set up some message boards using the collaboration system - and it sends out an email after each reply - is there an easy way to turn that off? | 21:14 |
| @preaction | it's one of the collab system properties | 21:17 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay, YUI drag and drop manager doens't handle it well when you remove a unregister event handlers on a node id, delete that node, then create a new node with that idea and register new handlers. It works about 50% of the time. | 21:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | So would it be okay to add an attribute to the dom node that isn't standard? | 21:20 |
| @preaction | it might work, try in the a-grade browsers | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | re WRE, I don't use the WRE | 21:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | Unless I make the id's some sort of random number and create an array to map them to their respective data objects. That way the event handlers never need to be altered unless the node is deleted. | 21:22 |
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| wgGuest86 | hello | 22:44 |
| wgGuest86 | i have a question | 22:44 |
| @preaction | you've got questions, we've got answers | 22:45 |
| wgGuest86 | i created a colaboration system without any problem but when i go to create a shortcut from this colaboration, i obtain an error | 22:46 |
| wgGuest86 | and inmediatly the admin sesssion finish | 22:46 |
| wgGuest86 | i dont know what is happening? | 22:46 |
| @preaction | what does the error logs say? | 22:47 |
| wgGuest86 | Couldn't call method createShortcut on asset for url: home/tusazon/frutas/prueba Root cause: ModPerl::Util::exit: (120000) exit was called at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm line 231 | 22:48 |
| @preaction | there should be something in the modperl error log then | 22:51 |
| wgGuest86 | Couldn't execute prepared statement: insert into asset (assetId, parentId, lineage, creationDate, createdBy, className, state) values (?,?,?,?,?,?,'published') : With place holders: nmtweTilSUqqjuQsOHHstA, PBasset000000000000002, old___000001000001000002, 1200945006, 3, WebGUI::Asset::Shortcut. Root cause: Duplicate entry 'old___000001000001000002' for key 2 | 22:52 |
| @preaction | what version is this? | 22:53 |
| wgGuest86 | i am going to check the modperl error log | 22:53 |
| @preaction | looks like your lineage got messed up, calling sbin/rebuildLineage.pl should fix it | 22:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | What if in the survey editor, no numbering was shown. Just an unnumbered list of sections and questions. Order will be discerned upon submitting the survey by examining the dom. | 22:54 |
| wgGuest86 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'old___000001000001000002' for key 2 at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135 | 22:55 |
| wgGuest86 | this is the error in modperl log | 22:55 |
| @preaction | wgGuest86, read above, your fix is to rebuildLineage | 22:56 |
| wgGuest86 | ok | 22:56 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, numbering probably isn't necessary, but the server doesn't exactly get things in order, so the javascript would have to assemble the order | 22:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I was thinking that when they clicked submit, the js would create an in order JSON object to submit. | 22:58 |
| perlmonkey2 | The last order of the DOM would be how everything was ordered in the JSON. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | yeah, that sounds like it'd work | 22:58 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I think I need to keep numbering in the system. People wno't like it when they have to refer to question "80th or so". | 22:58 |
| wgGuest86 | preaction, after executing rebuildlineage.pl i obtained the next error | 23:01 |
| wgGuest86 | DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Duplicate entry 'old___000001000001000014000001' for key 2 at ../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 135. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | that's the same error. what version are you running? | 23:02 |
| wgGuest86 | excusem | 23:02 |
| wgGuest86 | e | 23:02 |
| wgGuest86 | there is not the same | 23:03 |
| @preaction | you're right, it's another instance of the same error. the same cause for the error, but the error is still happening | 23:03 |
| @preaction | now, WHAT VERSION ARE YOU RUNNING? | 23:03 |
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| @preaction | if you're running the latest stable version, i'd post a bug, because that shouldn't happen | 23:04 |
| wgGuest86 | no | 23:04 |
| wgGuest86 | it is 7.3.18 | 23:04 |
| @preaction | then you probably need to upgrade | 23:05 |
| wgGuest86 | there is not solution without upgrade | 23:13 |
| wgGuest86 | when i execute the rebuildlineage.pl, have to stop the spectre or not? | 23:15 |
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| wgGuest86 | and not only with the colaboration systems, if i try to create a shortcut from some asset and obtain the same error | 23:20 |
| wgGuest18 | Hi | 23:20 |
| @preaction | can you reproduce on the demo site? if so, post a bug. otherwise upgrade. | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | wgGuest18: Don't be shy. If you have a question, please go ahead and ask it. | 23:21 |
| @preaction | maybe they're just hanging out | 23:24 |
| @preaction | this is a cool place to hang out | 23:24 |
| @preaction | though admittedly it's usually cooler to hang out with a real IRC client, connecting to irc.freenode.net and joining channel #webgui | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yep | 23:25 |
| wgGuest18 | I have a question about the collaborative sistem | 23:25 |
| wgGuest18 | Can I do change the order of the post in a collaborative sistem? | 23:25 |
| @preaction | sure, it's on the Display tab of the collaboration settings | 23:26 |
| wgGuest86 | preaction,to execute rebuildlineage.pl, have to stop the spectre? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | the special value "Sequence Number" is the same as the order in the asset manager | 23:26 |
| wgGuest18 | To ordering how I do want? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | wgGuest86, no | 23:26 |
| @preaction | wgGuest18, yes | 23:26 |
| wgGuest86 | ok | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest18: It will give you several options for ordering | 23:27 |
| wgGuest18 | Ok, please | 23:29 |
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| SynQ | hi there | 23:33 |
| @preaction | hi here! | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | the man, the myth, the legend returns! | 23:33 |
| SynQ | oeh | 23:33 |
| SynQ | thanks | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes here i am | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 23:33 |
| SynQ | that was just what my ego needed | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping for a raise :) | 23:33 |
| SynQ | I think I need to drive my car at least 15 minutes a day | 23:34 |
| SynQ | now I'm frustrated for not been out there on the road in my vehicle | 23:34 |
| SynQ | martin: you should drive more often too | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | didn't you go to your work today koen? | 23:35 |
| SynQ | it can be so soothing | 23:35 |
| SynQ | I worked from home | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think i'll have to go to the ikea | 23:35 |
| SynQ | from 8:15 till 17:30 | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you did drive today | 23:35 |
| SynQ | the Ikea is no place for leet hackers like yourself | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the problem | 23:36 |
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| +MrHairgrease | it is for leet hackers like myself with no mey | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I only drove to the supermarket today | 23:36 |
| SynQ | and back | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | money* | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | how did you go to wrok then? | 23:36 |
| SynQ | that's a 2 minute drive | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | you stayed in Delft? | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I got dressed and sat down at my desk | 23:36 |
| SynQ | I stayed in Dordrecht indeed | 23:37 |
| SynQ | 10:36:47 PM) SynQ: I worked from home | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah so you didn't go to the office | 23:37 |
| SynQ | no I didn't | 23:37 |
| SynQ | to my great regret | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should drive more | 23:37 |
| SynQ | I should | 23:37 |
| SynQ | it's good for the climate too | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | socialize with the other drones in the traffic jams | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | you know | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | the fun stuff | 23:38 |
| SynQ | yea | 23:38 |
| SynQ | I call it capsule socializing | 23:38 |
| @preaction | pfft, i wish i lived in a place where i could walk to the grocery store, then i'd never need my car ever | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i like to socialize in bars though | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i never walk to the grocery store | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: madcity, dude! | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | i alway go by bike | 23:38 |
| SynQ | hmm | 23:38 |
| SynQ | doug: cars are leet | 23:39 |
| @preaction | ooh bike | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 23:39 |
| @preaction | can't bike in the winter, but still the right track | 23:39 |
| SynQ | take for example JT's car | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | the one i used in my sqlform talk | 23:39 |
| @preaction | SynQ, that's stealing | 23:40 |
| SynQ | oh no, bad example | 23:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't think preation is allowed to take jt's car | 23:40 |
| SynQ | is there a way to summon JT into the IRC channel? | 23:40 |
| SynQ | doug, can you call him | 23:40 |
| @preaction | he's doing the accounting thing today and is not to be disturbed | 23:41 |
| SynQ | and tell him that distraction got the better of him? | 23:41 |
| SynQ | pff | 23:41 |
| SynQ | he needs to get out on the irc channel more often | 23:41 |
| @preaction | indeed, he needs to waste more time | 23:42 |
| SynQ | i agree | 23:42 |
| SynQ | it's good for his healt | 23:42 |
| SynQ | heath | 23:42 |
| SynQ | damn keys | 23:42 |
| SynQ | ok | 23:42 |
| SynQ | radix: is aussyland awake yet? | 23:43 |
| wgGuest18 | Hi, please i really need the answer about the order of threads | 23:44 |
| SynQ | ah | 23:44 |
| SynQ | first is 1 then 2 | 23:44 |
| SynQ | what is the question about the order of threads? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest18: Earlier you asked if the order could be changed. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | What order to you want? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | And is it not in th Display tab of the Collaboration System/ | 23:44 |
| SynQ | lets spend some carma | 23:45 |
| SynQ | karma even | 23:46 |
| wgGuest18 | I want order the thread in a colaboration sistem | 23:48 |
| wgGuest18 | But, not for date of modification | 23:48 |
| @preaction | wgGuest18, so what in that list of possibilities doesn't suit your purposes? or how are you wanting to order them? | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | wgGuest18: There is ordered by title, ordered by amount of karma each post has, ordered by date submitted. You can even order them by custom, user defined fields that you have added to posts. | 23:52 |
| @preaction | and if you order by Sequence Number, you can order them completely arbitrarily (the same order as the threads in the asset manager) | 23:53 |
| wgGuest18 | Ok, but, How i want create a style of ordening itself? | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Log in as Admin | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Turn on Admin mode | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | go to the Collaboration System | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Click on the Edit button next to the Collaboration System | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Click on the tab that says Display | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Find the option called Sort By | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Choose which option you want | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Hit the Save button to update the Collaboration System. | 23:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Then, commit your asset tag to make the change permanent | 23:56 |
| wgGuest18 | Ok, i can see that, but what happen if i choose the user defined user 1? | 23:58 |
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| @preaction | then it will be sorted by the user defined 1 field | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | user defined fields are extra fields that can optionally added to Posts | 23:59 |
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| wgGuest18 | oK, how can i do to define a style myself? | 00:01 |
| @preaction | the wiki has an article on how to give webgui your own style | 00:01 |
| @preaction | or do you mean a method of sorting? | 00:01 |
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| wgGuest18 | I need ordering the threads according to the user who is the poster | 00:07 |
| wgGuest18 | for example | 00:07 |
| wgGuest18 | I have three threads | 00:08 |
| wgGuest18 | I want to change the first one that i create to the last | 00:08 |
| wgGuest18 | and the last to the first one | 00:09 |
| @preaction | your best bet, then, would be to order by Sequence Number and do the ordering in the Asset Manager | 00:09 |
| wgGuest18 | How to add a field in a thread? | 00:09 |
| @preaction | you edit the Edit Post template to make a new form field | 00:10 |
| wgGuest18 | Ok thanks, i go to test | 00:10 |
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| SynQ | hmm | 00:16 |
| SynQ | karma well spent | 00:17 |
| wgGuest18 | It Works, tks | 00:18 |
| @preaction | SynQ, the red lantern RFE? | 00:19 |
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| SynQ | uh huh | 00:20 |
| SynQ | more karma to the red lantern RFE | 00:20 |
| SynQ | doug: got some karma to spare? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | depends on what i'm spending it on | 00:23 |
| SynQ | I see you still have 8931 | 00:23 |
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| @preaction | i pumped a bunch to try to get OpenID into webgui core | 00:23 |
| SynQ | 8931 is more then enough to get the red lantern request to the top of the list | 00:24 |
| @preaction | and just why should i waste my karma on a red herring? | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Red herrings go to the second to last | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a different RFE | 00:26 |
| SynQ | real karma isn't worth anything | 00:26 |
| SynQ | red herring | 00:27 |
| SynQ | where? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, bad joke on my part. | 00:27 |
| SynQ | oh that's allright, I just didn't get it | 00:28 |
| SynQ | I was allready searching the RFE list :) | 00:28 |
| SynQ | ok | 00:30 |
| SynQ | enough karma hunting for tonight | 00:30 |
| SynQ | say hi to JT for me | 00:31 |
| SynQ | I'm going to be | 00:31 |
| SynQ | bed | 00:31 |
| SynQ | let me rephrase that: I'm going to be bad in bed :P | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | okay, for some reason in the real-world i have a macro that doesn't function, but using the same data in my test environment it functions fine | 01:00 |
| @preaction | even running the same version of webgui... | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the arguments are different? | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | caching problem? | 01:01 |
| @preaction | does it cache over multiple page loads? | 01:02 |
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| @preaction | the arguments are different, but it doens't matter because if they're the same, they'll get the same output | 01:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | so you're saying that if you put your "page" macro calls into the test env, they fail too? | 01:04 |
| @preaction | nope, they succeed | 01:04 |
| @preaction | doing WebGUI::Macro::process( $session, \"^BreakText( ... );" ); | 01:04 |
| @preaction | or similar | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Could you be having quoting problems? | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Macros aren't made for handling that kind of stuff | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | every quote in there has to be escaped | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or else the macro processor will die | 01:06 |
| @preaction | wouldn't they manifest by showing something crazy? | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | quietly | 01:06 |
| @preaction | oooooooh | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | not always | 01:06 |
| @preaction | sunnuva... | 01:06 |
| @preaction | that's it | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, I should have thought of that last week when you brought it up | 01:06 |
| @preaction | not your fault | 01:07 |
| @preaction | i didn't think it died peacefully i thought it died violently | 01:07 |
| @preaction | if only parse::recdescent was decently fast... | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | It's not | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but only because of Text::Balanced being slow | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's not your macro's fault, it's Macro.pm | 01:08 |
| @preaction | yeah, i wrote a grammar that parsed macros, could only do like 20 per second | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Have you tried a HOP parser? | 01:08 |
| @preaction | no clue what that is | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Mark-Jason Dominus's Higher Order Perl | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | specifies a different kind of parser | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | my OSCON notes are at home | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think someone put one up on CPAN | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://search.cpan.org/~ovid/HOP-Lexer-0.032/lib/HOP/Lexer/Article.pod | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | HOP is a great book | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | because even if you never use anything you learn from it | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it makes you think in different ways | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | (without resorting to narcotics) | 01:14 |
| @preaction | it does look nice, and if it's as fast as the regex (or only minor bits slower), we might be able to do it | 01:15 |
| @preaction | looks like it's really lines 138-142 in Macro.pm, the thing that parses between the ^( and ); | 01:17 |
| @preaction | isn't there an anchor that matches at the end of the last match for //g patterns? | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | \G | 01:20 |
| @preaction | thanks | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | some random advice | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | build a gnarly test suite | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | time it before and after your changes | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | that test that is giving me the double free error from gcc? | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | It works fine except under Test::Class | 01:25 |
| @preaction | weird | 01:25 |
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| @preaction | just so i understand: i'd run it through my lexer and get a bunch of tokens. once i have the tokens i'd try to make sense of them if i could, a la if ^BreakText(" then the first param will end with a ", then what's after that will decide what the next param begins with. the lexer should also be able to understand q{ } and etc | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the lexer shouldn't have to understand q{ }, because that's perl, not macro-ese | 01:46 |
| @preaction | right, but if i add that, i can survive most problems with putting HTML through the macro parser | 01:46 |
| @preaction | if some idiot decides to put unquoted HTML through it, they deserve what they get, a la ^BreakText("pattern", <tmpl_var content>); | 01:47 |
| @preaction | i could do q{<tmpl_var content>} and be relatively safe | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | but how many users are going to remember the "q" part? | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | how 'bout just {} | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | or is that valid in JS? | 01:48 |
| @preaction | yeah, JS wouldn't work, there'd be plenty of } and }); in JS | 01:49 |
| @preaction | there's just no way... | 01:49 |
| @preaction | except for the "making an asset" way, which i don't have time to implement... even though i'm very close to completing it | 01:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | I don't think making an asset will help | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | what we really need are safe quotes | 02:05 |
| +perlDreamer | "" or '' or something | 02:05 |
| @preaction | right now '' aren't allowed as quotes (they aren't handled as quotes at least) | 02:06 |
| @preaction | i just can't think of anything that can't mess up somehow | 02:07 |
| @preaction | making an asset would negate the need for the BreakText macro, as i'll be able to do what it should do by myself | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs some unique, random string of characters, but then you lose ease of use for the user. | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | @#$ will probably never, ever occur | 02:08 |
| @preaction | probably, not certainly :p | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 02:08 |
| @preaction | something like {''' ... '''} would also never happen | 02:09 |
| @preaction | probably | 02:09 |
| @preaction | but as soon as someone knows the delimiter, they can start mucking things up | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, always | 02:09 |
| @preaction | which sucks, because macros can do so many fun things | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | except work with HTML and JS and CSS | 02:10 |
| @preaction | we'd be better off with what i like to call Response handlers, which instead of printing the HTML, you give WebGUI.pm an object that it can call the print method on. then you still have template variables accessible to you, so you can play with them if you want | 02:10 |
| @preaction | just like URL and Content handlers are new in 7.5, two more handlers (Session for creating and munging sessions and Response for munging the response right before the print) could expose every bit of the request cycle to custom code | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | That's the key right there. | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | The macro and template processors need to be smart and interact | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | If anyone typed in literal quotes, then their local Admin can shoot them | 02:25 |
| +perlDreamer | but people expect macros to handle template variables | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | which then need to be processed recursively for embedded macros | 02:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem comes when the template processor expands a variable into some mess to hand to the macro processor | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | which then pukes and cries | 02:27 |
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| * diakopter pukes and cries | 03:03 | |
| * preaction gets the mop | 03:04 | |
| @preaction | or, theoretically, if we controlled the markup and changed all " into ", then " in macros would survive | 03:30 |
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| vayde | anybody know off hand, if you set +GlobalRequest with mod_perl, that global request is still private to a given request cycle right? | 04:28 |
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| vayde | hey perlDreamer, how's your mod_perl trivia? | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, only so so | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Why dost thou ask, noble petitioner? | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | vayde: speak, friend, and enter | 06:17 |
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| vayde | +GlobalRequest option. each request object is still private to a given request as it goes through the cycle right? | 06:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so. | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | Had to google for an answer, though | 06:34 |
| vayde | what's the downside then? | 06:35 |
| vayde | I can't seem to find any data on it | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/config/config.html | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | It sounds like apache does extra work when you set +GlobalRequest | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | so throughput would suffer | 06:35 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 06:36 |
| vayde | so it's a performance thing | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | that's my guess | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | You're asking Apache to do more work | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | The overhead may not be that big, though | 06:36 |
| vayde | hmm. this program is behaving very wierdly | 06:37 |
| vayde | I've been all over that site, and by their examples, it shouldn't be necessary | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it do? | 06:37 |
| vayde | it started just not firing it's cleanup handler for no apparent reason | 06:38 |
| vayde | no warning, no explanation, and worse yet, no error | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | "It just started"... | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | No updates? | 06:39 |
| vayde | finally one of the guys found a really wierd backdoor way to register the cleanup handler from within the init handler, and not by usint $r->push_handler either | 06:39 |
| vayde | yeah, no updates | 06:39 |
| vayde | extremely wierd | 06:39 |
| vayde | I should say, 'no updates that I am aware of'. with an outfit like usbank, you can never be sure | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd check there first. | 06:40 |
| vayde | too many cooks in the kitchen | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Code just doesn't start breaking consistently | 06:40 |
| vayde | well, we got a workaround going, and it works fine, without needing GlobalRequest | 06:40 |
| vayde | passing the request object explicitly to the cleanup handler | 06:40 |
| vayde | but me being me, I'm still trying to tweak it and understand. and today it just starts working normally as advertised | 06:41 |
| vayde | last week, putting PerlCleanupHandler <module::name> in the conf didn't fly, today it does | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah. Something else is going on. | 06:42 |
| vayde | the upside however, apart from it working at all now, is the stuff we did made for lke a 500% speed increase | 06:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | maybe something is dying upstream so that the CleanupHandler is never being set | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but it should log an error. | 06:43 |
| vayde | that's what I thought too, but no errors | 06:43 |
| vayde | and it works fine when you register the cleanup handler from within the init handler | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Right, which makes it sound like there's a problem in between | 06:43 |
| vayde | very odd. we have it working, but I'd still like to know why | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | can you drop something in error.log with a warn? | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | to make sure it's logging okay? | 06:44 |
| vayde | logging is working fine | 06:44 |
| vayde | now anyway | 06:44 |
| vayde | could well be we didn't dot an 'i' or cross a 't' while the testers were jumping around like organ grinder's monkeys | 06:45 |
| vayde | It really was a mess. | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | was.... is :) | 06:45 |
| vayde | hey, how's this for 'bank software': | 06:45 |
| vayde | if ($username eq 'starsky' && $passwd eq 'hutch') { | 06:46 |
| vayde | that was in actual production code. | 06:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's scary | 06:47 |
| vayde | yeah | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you do know that this channel is publicly logged, right? | 06:47 |
| vayde | it's fine. it's gone | 06:47 |
| vayde | I wouldn't have posted it if it was still in use | 06:47 |
| +perlDreamer | was it backdoor/admin code? | 06:47 |
| vayde | couldn't say with these chimps. I'd like to believe it was something someone put in for a test, and then forgot | 06:48 |
| vayde | but i couldn't say | 06:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | vayde: that's scary.. it really is. | 06:48 |
| +Radix-wrk | but not surprising in the least | 06:48 |
| vayde | naw, remember the story about the infinite number of monkeys with typewriters? | 06:49 |
| vayde | they originally wrote the code I'm hacking | 06:49 |
| vayde | and what's worse, is the division who wrote the crap is up in arms about our 'fixing' it | 06:50 |
| vayde | cos sql injection sites in your code shouldn't be removed apparently | 06:51 |
| +perlDreamer | Of course not, they should be exploited and cost the business millions of dollars in lost business, lawsuits and bad PR | 06:53 |
| vayde | luckily my boss not only knows he hired a barbarian with no political skills, I suspect he likes it. | 06:54 |
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| vayde | interestnig perlDreamer, GlobalRequest or not, the only way I seem to be able to be sure I have the same reference is to pass it explicitly to the cleanup handler from the init handler | 07:21 |
| vayde | mayhap that they are functionally identical, but they're different references to be sure | 07:22 |
| +perlDreamer | there is a way to find out the memory address of an object, which would answer the question definitively | 07:25 |
| vayde | thats what I was doing | 07:25 |
| vayde | well, I was printing the reference to STDERR and comparing the values | 07:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that would do it | 07:25 |
| vayde | though I'm now suspecting my server wasn't fully restarting between tests | 07:25 |
| vayde | stand by for a retest | 07:26 |
| vayde | nope, same behavior. different memory address even with GlobalRequest | 07:28 |
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| vayde | ahh well, the quest goes on. Thanks for the help pD. night all | 07:31 |
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| patspam | is there any good reason why Session::Var::new() re-uses the same sessionId when it creates a new session after one has expired? | 10:00 |
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| BartJol | is someone working on the webgui.org site? | 17:05 |
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| BartJol | hi | 17:09 |
| @preaction | morning | 17:10 |
| BartJol | are you bugging the webgui.org site? | 17:11 |
| @preaction | bugging how? | 17:11 |
| BartJol | it's rather sluggish | 17:13 |
| BartJol | it works, but slowly | 17:13 |
| @preaction | yeah, i'm trying to go to the forums and i can't. i'll check it out | 17:13 |
| perlmonkey2 | Will someone finish the survfey system for me? I resolved all the YUI bugginess issues, so it is ready to go. I just can't rewrite these methods again...... | 17:14 |
| BartJol | thanks, otherwise, I never will be able to get more karma then Koen... | 17:14 |
| @preaction | holy hell, load is at 7 on that box | 17:14 |
| @preaction | and has been for the last 20 minutes | 17:14 |
| BartJol | mmm, doesn't sound good | 17:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah...7.....that is high | 17:15 |
| @preaction | might be getting ready for 7.5 release perhaps | 17:15 |
| perlmonkey2 | a constant 77% cpu useage onmy box is 3.52 | 17:15 |
| BartJol | mmm 7.5 has a sluggishness feature? | 17:16 |
| @preaction | it's a quad-core box, so 7 is 60% on all 4 cores | 17:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | You build releases on your webserver? | 17:16 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: I have a quad core. | 17:16 |
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| @preaction | box is under some maintenance due to a problem that cropped up last night, rebuildlineage takes a lot of juice | 17:20 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 17:21 |
| BartJol | ah, ok, nice to know that there aren't any real problems... | 17:21 |
| BartJol | MrHair, I've passed my theory exam | 17:22 |
| @preaction | the real problem is somehow a lineage got made that didn't have an asset attached to it, so i don't know if there is or isn't one | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | good show bart | 17:22 |
| BartJol | thanks | 17:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | hola, MrHairgrease | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | stupid university wifi | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's always disconnecting me | 17:45 |
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| +perlDreamer | is pb.com slower than molasses in Wisconsin, or is it just my browser again? | 18:00 |
| * MrHairgrease will try over the wonderous dut network | 18:00 | |
| +MrHairgrease | 4s | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | 5s | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | 6s | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | 7s | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | 8s | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | slow as molasses i guess... | 18:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | Thanks for checking. | 18:06 |
| @preaction | there's some things running on it. it'll probably be back up soon | 18:06 |
| @preaction | before christmas | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Oh, good! | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | What are y'all running on it? | 18:07 |
| @preaction | rebuildlineage and clearing cache | 18:07 |
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| BartJol | bye | 18:14 |
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| perlmonkey2 | What about a WebGUI module that serves as an internal IRC? | 18:18 |
| perlmonkey2 | I think gmail does its IRC by leaving open an ajax handle, and pushing updates. | 18:18 |
| @preaction | the chat module, not quite IRC (since IRC is stateful), was being worked on by danny_mk | 18:18 |
| @preaction | there is a shoutbox that I wrote but haven't released which does its stuff with AJAX. with a couple features and a bit of refactoring it could probably evolve into a sort of almost-real-time chat asset | 18:19 |
| perlmonkey2 | is it still being worked on? | 18:19 |
| @preaction | i don't know. haven't seen danny_mk in here in a while. not since the last OpenID spec was released | 18:20 |
| perlmonkey2 | does it push or pull updates? | 18:20 |
| @preaction | pull. server push is bad | 18:20 |
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| perlmonkey2 | so each client is constantly pinging for new data? ooogly | 18:20 |
| @preaction | not constant, configurable. but better than the server keeping 30+ connections open (it's a web server, it's not meant to keep those connections open) | 18:21 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess one check per second wouldn't be oppressive and fast enough for chatting. | 18:21 |
| @preaction | plus it's simple enough to make some decent caching algorithm so that the checks are a very minimal hit | 18:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | since on average they'd only wait .5 seconds after the last update. | 18:22 |
| @preaction | i would think 5 or 10 seconds would be better. if they want real-time chat there are better ways to achieve it. | 18:22 |
| @preaction | IRC, or a java or flash application | 18:22 |
| perlmonkey2 | I was thinking an intranet irc server.....but our people would moan about installing an IRC client. | 18:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | mmmmm, flash | 18:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | Flash would handle that very well......and there is a perl flash server module. | 18:23 |
| perlmonkey2 | coldfusion I mean | 18:24 |
| @preaction | the Java IRC client on the webgui site would work for your people, no? | 18:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | I wrote a pretty cool HR form in Flash that used the Perl Coldfusion module. Actionscript is actually a lto of fun. | 18:24 |
| perlmonkey2 | I never saw it. I don't have the java plugin working in Fedora. | 18:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | I run 64 bit which makes it a pain. | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: You run fedora? | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | which one? | 18:25 |
| @preaction | i could swear Perl has a flash:: module too | 18:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | F8-64 | 18:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have time to run a test for me? | 18:25 |
| perlmonkey2 | I run F7-x84 on my webserver but will update to cent5.1 soon. At work I have some FC6's and F7 on my dev box. | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | sure. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | ~10 minutes, depending on your wG-foo | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | what do you need. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | You'll need to check out my experimental branch and install a few modules | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah.....wg is discombulated on my webserver right now. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | that's fine, just need the db set up | 18:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | the db is live and running. | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | svn co https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/colin_experimental | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | runnint svn update....will take a bit | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | ah, svn.webgui.org failed | 18:27 |
| af_ | webgui stable release is 7.4.21. why I can't find the same wre release? | 18:27 |
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| +perlDreamer | WRE releases are independent of wG releases, for the most part | 18:27 |
| perlmonkey2 | I just switched to commerical internet and it was all jacked up. but I thought it was me, so my dns server got jacked up while I tried to fix it. so I'm having problems resovling that. | 18:28 |
| @preaction | af_, notice in the topic, it has both the latest WebGUI and latest WRE release numbers | 18:28 |
| af_ | so, if I want the more update wre stable release, what should I get? | 18:28 |
| af_ | o 0.8.1 | 18:28 |
| perlmonkey2 | nice.....no root dns boxes are reachable. | 18:28 |
| af_ | ok got it, thanks | 18:28 |
| af_ | (btw, install webgui on debian etch was a nogo, for me) | 18:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah, that is funny. | 18:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | named wasn't started...I'm an idiot. | 18:29 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: So I''m supposed to overwrite my good webgui dev install with your experimental? | 18:30 |
| @preaction | af_, what about it was no-go? post on the Install/Upgrade forum for better help | 18:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess that is okay, there isn't anything in this build...... | 18:30 |
| @preaction | perlmonkey2, no. there should be a switch_webgui.pl on the Contribs section | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | What people usually do is keep several branches around and then symlink one of them to /data/WebGUI | 18:30 |
| @preaction | Get Add Ons | 18:30 |
| @preaction | switch_webgui.pl does what colin just said, as well as enable and disable sites in the WRE (or your own if you configure it right) | 18:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | wait I'm confused....am I testing somethign or testing switch_webgui.pl the irc server? | 18:31 |
| @preaction | you're testing something in colin's experimental branch | 18:31 |
| af_ | preaction, too much missing perl modules I guess. perl testenvironment does not finish nice after three hours | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You're going to learn how to use switch_webgui.pl in order to jump between different branches of WebGUI to help me test a problem I'm having with tests on Fedora. | 18:32 |
| @preaction | af_, some perl modules don't install correctly from testEnvironment.pl, you need to install them using cpan force install or from your apt-get repos | 18:32 |
| perlmonkey2 | https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/colin_experimental doesn't appear to exist? | 18:33 |
| af_ | perlbot, there is somewhere a perl modules list required by webgui (I did the install using the source tarball)? | 18:33 |
| perlbot | added there to the database | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: forget there | 18:33 |
| perlbot | removed there from the database | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | af_: just look at the source code to testEnvironment.pl | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | they are all listed in there | 18:34 |
| af_ | oh good idea | 18:34 |
| af_ | didn't think about that | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if you use the WRE, it will supply all the modules that you need | 18:34 |
| @preaction | or run it without --install, it doesn't have to install them automatically | 18:34 |
| @preaction | i could've swore --install was not the default action for testEnv | 18:35 |
| af_ | another thing: I am transferring an existing install to a new system, an newer release. there is any howto about it? | 18:35 |
| @preaction | there should be a wiki article about upgrading. what caveats there are. also read the gotchas | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: I just checked this url: https://svn.webgui.org/plainblack/branch/colin-experimental/ | 18:35 |
| @preaction | docs/gotchas.txt | 18:35 |
| af_ | it''s not an upgrade I have a fresh install on the new system | 18:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | downloading | 18:36 |
| @preaction | af_, then just moving the entire WebGUI directory and your data directories should work just fine | 18:36 |
| af_ | ok, then | 18:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | what server is that coming from? I can upload at 72KB/s :D | 18:36 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: okay, I have it down. What do you want me to test? | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Okay, you'll need to setup config files in etc. Just copying what you have now should work fine | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Then, install Test::Class | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | (from CPAN) | 18:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | Okay, and I've started WebGUI. | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | cd into the t directory | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | env WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/yourWebGUI.conf perl Storage/Image.t | 18:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | oh, but I didn't copy the domain directory over, so webgui said it started but isn't responding to html requests. | 18:42 |
| +perlDreamer | The test doesn't use httpd | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | just API level tests | 18:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'll pastebin the entire output. | 18:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | when it finishes | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks! | 18:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | although it appears to be hanging on "Creating image | 18:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | *** glibc detected *** perl: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0a2eb748 ***" | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup, that's what I expected. | 18:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | so ti is hung and I can kill it? | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup | 18:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | any thing else? | 18:45 |
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| perlmonkey2 | is it the 64 you were testing? | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, if you want, you could fix the perl bug :) | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | No, it was the Fedora | 18:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | what's the bug? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Fedora + Test::Class + Image::Magick | 18:46 |
| @khenn | Here's an interesting read: | 18:46 |
| @khenn | http://www.infoworld.com/archives/emailPrint.jsp?R=printThis&A=/article/08/01/17/Microsoft-warns-businesses-of-autoupdate-to-IE7_1.html | 18:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: Hah, yeah, I'll get right on that after I finish the Survey system, my programming contract, and stamp out the bugs at our delieverable at work. | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | That's the same boat I'm in. | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm probably going to package it up and send it to bugzilla | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and let them fix it | 18:47 |
| perlmonkey2 | I had finished 99% of the survey's edit page when I ran into a YUI bug that I couldn't resolve. So I'm rewriting the entire thing. I was supposed to have an Alpha for 4:30 today. | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | It's failed consistently the same way on 3 different systems PIII FC6, Centrino-FC7 and now your 64-bit FC8 | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | It works fine on 1 Mac WRE. | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe apeiron would test it on BSD for me | 18:48 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, hmm, what do I need? | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Checkout my experiemental branch, install Test::Class | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | run 1 test | 18:49 |
| @preaction | apparently Fedora / RedHat does strange things to their Perls | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Guess so. | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking about moving over to Ubuntu | 18:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | preaction: yes they do..... | 18:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | very uncool things | 18:50 |
| @preaction | there was a problem in #perl about Scalar::Util not being installed correctly (not the XS version or something) | 18:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | nazis about things being packaged in the repos instead of using cpan. | 18:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | never mind cpan is a very intricate tool designed just for perl. | 18:50 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, I'll have to get a WRE setup but will take a look. | 18:50 |
| @preaction | oh, apt-based distros do the same thing with cpan, but using cpan with those distros still works | 18:51 |
| perlmonkey2 | especially when the fedora repos are full of packages built without XS.....as if those are even useful. | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't had any functional based problems with fedora's perl | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | just performance | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | The funny part is, that exact same code works fine if you run it without using Test::Class | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | very strange | 18:53 |
| @preaction | anyone know how to enable a forward-only mail server on OS X Leopard? | 18:53 |
| perlmonkey2 | some corner case? | 18:53 |
| @preaction | like sendmail or something? | 18:53 |
| @preaction | looks like Leopard comes with postfix | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: it's just using Image::Magick to create a new blank image | 18:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | looks like you need more testing output....."Creating image" followed by the exception doesn't help much? | 18:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | so it is failing in the I::M call? | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Yeah | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Try running strace on it | 18:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | that is indeed strange. | 18:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | I've already reverted my system. | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'll pastebin it | 18:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: write(2, "Creating image\n", 15Creating image | 18:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | ) = 15 | 18:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | getcwd(0xbf8987d8, 4096) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) | 18:57 |
| perlmonkey2 | getcwd(0xbf8987d8, 4096) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) is the first exception? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know. | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | It might check that to see if it's a real filename, or a "meta" image specification | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so it could be valid | 19:00 |
| perlmonkey2 | Have you tried rebuilding I::M to make sure it is built with XS? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no, although I think it's required that I::M be built with XS? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Since it's just glue to C code | 19:01 |
| @apeiron | perlDreamer, indeed. | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | In other words, there's no pure perl I::M | 19:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | well there you go :) | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | More's the pity :) | 19:03 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: jt * r5306 /WebGUI/docs/ (changelog/7.x.x.txt previousVersion.sql): versioning and workflow are hidden by default to make webgui easier for first timers | 19:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | there are a lot of things that should be written in Perl. | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | like python? :-D | 19:04 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 19:04 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, The kind of heavy-duty image manipulation that IM does would be unwise to do in Perl, IMO. | 19:04 |
| perlmonkey2 | apeiron: I'd take a 10x speed hit for no more pains with I::M | 19:04 |
| @apeiron | perlmonkey2, You would, others wouldn't. :) | 19:04 |
| perlmonkey2 | my Q6600 cost $260 | 19:04 |
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| * rizen is attempting to compile the WRE on a 64-bit OS for the first time | 19:49 | |
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| perlmonkey2 | How did it go rizen? | 20:40 |
| @rizen | craptacular | 20:40 |
| @rizen | it's going to be a long time coming methinks | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't ckotil get a 64-bit WRE running? | 20:41 |
| @rizen | nobody has had it running stablely as far as i know | 20:42 |
| @rizen | i had a few minutes and now have access to a 64-bit centos box | 20:43 |
| @rizen | so i thought i'd give it a go | 20:43 |
| @rizen | unfortunately i don't have the time to troubleshoot right now | 20:43 |
| @rizen | so i have to move on | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | That's what my trainer says a lot "Time to move no" | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | That means that it's time to do push-ups | 20:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | Sweet Jumping Unicorns, it works! | 21:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | If my nameserver has propogated to your DNS, then you should be able to go here: http://www.lostokies.com/tree.html and drag and drop sections and questions to your heats content. | 21:41 |
| perlmonkey2 | I need a trashcan image now :) | 21:41 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer...you better watch out | 21:42 |
| @rizen | if perlmonkey2 actually finishes this survey, you could have some competition on your hands for Contributor of the Year | 21:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah! :P | 21:43 |
| perlmonkey2 | answers are in their own ul. Then the editor will be 90% done. Add a loader that can take JSON and a submitter to send the survey as JSON, then I can work on the WebGUI end. 1 week of deadlock finally over. | 21:45 |
| perlmonkey2 | sorry, too much coffee. | 21:45 |
| metanil | is it true that ONLY assets(lets say Article) which are inside a Dashboard in Asset Manager is accessible to that Dashboard? | 21:50 |
| @preaction | metanil, that seems like an easy enough thing to try for yourself | 22:01 |
| metanil | i found that asset within the dashboard is ONLY accessible. | 22:02 |
| metanil | (just making sure :)) | 22:04 |
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| @rizen | metanil | 23:18 |
| metanil | yes | 23:18 |
| @rizen | you can also use shortcuts | 23:18 |
| @rizen | to put other assets in the dashboard | 23:18 |
| @rizen | shortcuts are also how you provide override values for dashboard assets | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | rizen: If more people are hacking WebGUI, then I'm happy. | 23:18 |
| metanil | yes.. but that shortcuts should be in inside dashboard assets right?? (in assets manager) | 23:18 |
| @rizen | yes | 23:19 |
| @rizen | ok | 23:19 |
| @rizen | that ok was for pd | 23:19 |
| @rizen | i would like 10,000 more people hacking webgui | 23:20 |
| @rizen | hehe | 23:20 |
| @preaction | i | 23:21 |
| @preaction | i'd settle for 10 more high-quality des | 23:21 |
| @preaction | devs | 23:21 |
| @preaction | damn v key... | 23:21 |
| @rizen | i can pretty much guarantee that if we get 10,000 more people, there will be at least 10 high quality devs in there | 23:22 |
| @preaction | 10,000 former php programmers? | 23:23 |
| @rizen | being a php programmer doesn't make you bad | 23:23 |
| @rizen | khenn was a php programmer when i met him | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it doesn't make you good :( | 23:24 |
| @rizen | it just makes you ignorant, not bad | 23:24 |
| @preaction | srsly? frank can program php? that explains a lot! | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i can program php too | 23:24 |
| @preaction | but then again he can program java too | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i've written a couple php apps | 23:24 |
| @preaction | you poor man | 23:24 |
| @rizen | i've also written cobol, fortran, modula2, and visual basic, cold fusion, java script pages, jsp, and a bunch of other horrible languages | 23:25 |
| @rizen | you do what you have to do | 23:26 |
| perlmonkey2 | java takes the cake, not because it is the worst language, but because it is a bad language used by everyone. | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like a laxative | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't want to use it | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but you have to | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and it gives you the trots | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | s/trots/appropriate slang/ | 23:31 |
| perlmonkey2 | hah | 23:33 |
| @rizen | ok opinion time | 23:36 |
| @rizen | this video: http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/trade%20show%20video.mov | 23:36 |
| @rizen | will be running in our booth (looping) at our first trade show this year | 23:36 |
| @rizen | the goal of the video is to be both informative, and constantly moving to grab people's attention | 23:36 |
| @rizen | the things i don't want for the movie are: | 23:37 |
| @rizen | non visual items, like bullet points of words | 23:37 |
| @rizen | so much motion it makes you sick | 23:37 |
| @rizen | sound, because it's irrelevant at a trade show | 23:37 |
| @rizen | and too long of a length, cuz people aren't going to sit there and watch for very long | 23:38 |
| @rizen | the booth already has the pb logo, the webgui logo, and both plainblack.com and webgui.org sprayed all over it | 23:38 |
| @rizen | so the video doesn't really need that either | 23:38 |
| @rizen | given what i've just told you | 23:38 |
| @rizen | any feedback? | 23:38 |
| @rizen | sorry for it being low res | 23:38 |
| @rizen | that was to keep the file size down for the web | 23:39 |
| @rizen | the actual booth will have it playing at 1024x768 with no compression | 23:39 |
| @preaction | does it still have the graphs and "our clients"? maybe those would be better as posters or flyers instead? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | i like the navigating through WebGUI thing a lot, and if it consisted only of that, it would work well | 23:43 |
| @rizen | too late for posters or flyers of that stuff, all our brochures were printed months ago, and the trade show is only 2 weeks away | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | Off topic: How's Mrs. McComb doing? | 23:46 |
| @rizen | quite well from what i gather. i actually have a reminder on my calendar to call her this afternoon to check in | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | very good | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Please tell her the western webgui crew wishes her well. | 23:49 |
| @rizen | so seriously, no feedback other than make the last 2 slides brochures? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | perlDreamer? | 23:57 |
| @rizen | Radix_ | 23:57 |
| @rizen | ckotil? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't see multimedia files at $dayJob | 23:57 |
| @rizen | diakopter? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, wait a sec | 23:57 |
| @rizen | what about flash files? | 23:58 |
| @rizen | the flash movie is a little different, but you'd get the gist: http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/trade%20show%20video.swf | 23:58 |
| @rizen | it has some missing animations, a missing OS compatibility slide, and the timings are a bit off | 23:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | That's not working either. | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll have a look at it when I get home tonight | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Sorry, man. | 00:04 |
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| +Radix_ | loading it now | 00:36 |
| +Radix_ | just watched the .mov one - I quite like it - simple, but shows webgui's strengths and is easy to follow | 00:40 |
| +Radix_ | Suggestions: the platform page should say something.. not just show logos (something like "Supported on multiple platforms") | 00:41 |
| +Radix_ | The graphs are a little hard to follow at the speed you have them too I think | 00:41 |
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| @preaction | maybe one slide for each graph instead? | 00:42 |
| perlmonkey2 | wow.....that is very slick. | 00:48 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: doug * r5307 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Fixed i18n and all help for Gallery / Album / Photo assets | 00:48 |
| perlmonkey2 | I'd make that last cost based stuff last much longer | 00:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | give people time to grok it. | 00:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | if time is set, then take time from the MS, BSD, Mac Nix page. | 00:51 |
| @rizen | i've taken 3 seconds off the webgui logo and 3 seconds off the supported oses screens and given that time to the graph slide | 00:52 |
| @preaction | do you need the logo? isn't the backdrop have a logo? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | Radix_ you really think people won't get that WebGUI is compatible with all those operating systems? | 00:53 |
| @rizen | i mean, you got it | 00:54 |
| @rizen | i don't really need the logo | 00:55 |
| @rizen | but i thought it should probably be in there somewhere since people may just look at the screen and never look at the backdrop | 00:55 |
| @rizen | plus it works nicely now with the os compatibility slide | 00:56 |
| @rizen | but i have shortened it to 4 seconds | 00:56 |
| @rizen | from 7 | 00:56 |
| @preaction | sounds good | 00:56 |
| @preaction | i conjecture that on the OS slide people will look for the one(s) they use, so they'll quickly recognize them, so 4 seconds should work | 00:57 |
| +Radix_ | rizen: you're probably right | 01:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | wow | 01:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the ieee is using webgui? | 01:12 |
| @rizen | yup | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | you have no idea how many papers i downloaded from those guys | 01:13 |
| @rizen | they only use it on some intranet sites right now | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | that doesn't matter | 01:13 |
| @rizen | but the plan is to roll it out in wider deployments as time goes on | 01:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i can tell all my ee friends that i'm working on stuff the ieee uses | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 01:14 |
| @rizen | indeed | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | not that they care prolly | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's not the point | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | the vid seems good btw | 01:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | especially with the extra time for the graphs | 01:14 |
| @rizen | maybe i should upload a new vid with the new timings so everyone can judge if the time is better | 01:15 |
| * rizen is exporting | 01:15 | |
| * rizen is uploading | 01:16 | |
| @rizen | http://jt.plainblack.com/mirrors/trade%20show%20video.mov | 01:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | oracle portals sure is hard to implement... | 01:21 |
| @rizen | it is | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | 3 million dollars | 01:21 |
| @rizen | i remember working on the project that the graph is based upon | 01:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | why did you dod it with three cms-es | 01:22 |
| @rizen | after 20 months we had implemented every must have, want, and pie in the sky idea that the client wanted | 01:22 |
| @rizen | and that was with only 1.25 people working on it | 01:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | you being the full 1.25? =) | 01:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | i mean that are only 50 hour weeks | 01:22 |
| @rizen | after 5 years with a team of 6 people, they still didn't have all the features implemented in oracle portals | 01:23 |
| @rizen | 1 = frank, .25 = me | 01:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | and where does the ms software come in? | 01:23 |
| @rizen | before implementing in webgui, they were initially going to do it in sharepoint | 01:24 |
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| @rizen | so they did an estimate of it | 01:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 01:24 |
| @rizen | and that number is based upon their estimates | 01:24 |
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| @rizen | that's why they aren't in the time chart | 01:24 |
| @rizen | they didn't make it out of the planning phase | 01:25 |
| @preaction | is that info in a brochure, because the chart looks almost unbelievable | 01:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | what trade show will you be attending btw? | 01:33 |
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| cap10morgan | anyone seen danny_mk lately? | 02:04 |
| cap10morgan | we've an appointment to discuss OpenID auth | 02:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | He's here | 02:05 |
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| danny_mk | hmmm... Heath Ledger was found dead in his Manhattan apt. weird | 02:06 |
| +perlDreamer | serious? | 02:06 |
| danny_mk | anyway, cap10morgan, you around? | 02:06 |
| cap10morgan | danny_mk: hey | 02:06 |
| danny_mk | yup | 02:06 |
| cap10morgan | ...and what a role to finish his career on | 02:07 |
| @rizen | MrHairgrease: this video is for SCALE (southern california linux expo) | 02:07 |
| @rizen | but we're also going to YAPC::NA, OSCON, and some other smaller things | 02:07 |
| cap10morgan | danny_mk: wanna talk some OpenID auth? | 02:08 |
| danny_mk | yes | 02:08 |
| danny_mk | that is what I am here for tonight | 02:08 |
| @rizen | preaction: you're right, we should put that stuff in a brochure, but no, right now it's only used our sales slides that the sales people use | 02:08 |
| cap10morgan | ok, so i met w/ rizen at the WUC to talk about this | 02:08 |
| cap10morgan | (rizen, correct me if any of this is wrong) | 02:08 |
| cap10morgan | and he said that the main thing he still has concerns about is the dummy user you have to setup | 02:09 |
| cap10morgan | he thought there might be a way to make it work w/o that | 02:09 |
| danny_mk | I am open for ideas | 02:09 |
| danny_mk | it seemed the best approach at the time. | 02:09 |
| cap10morgan | well, can you talk a little bit about why decided that was necessary? (or just the best approach) | 02:10 |
| @rizen | i think i suggested that maybe you could just use the webgui visitor user | 02:10 |
| cap10morgan | yep | 02:10 |
| danny_mk | Since I am going it was the best approach at the time | 02:10 |
| danny_mk | Let me take a quick look at the code | 02:11 |
| cap10morgan | So it seems like 1. We want to figure out this user question | 02:12 |
| cap10morgan | 2. We want to upgrade to the OpenID 2.0 spec | 02:12 |
| cap10morgan | and then you (danny_mk) had a question about the $vident->url value I was using in my patch | 02:13 |
| danny_mk | right | 02:13 |
| danny_mk | where did you get that value? | 02:13 |
| cap10morgan | that value is the canonical OpenID url that you get back from the authenticating service | 02:14 |
| cap10morgan | so it's a way to get a nice consistent url for the OpenID | 02:14 |
| danny_mk | When I looked at the original Auth code (which seems to have changed) visitor would not get to Auth::login | 02:14 |
| cap10morgan | because the authenticator is supposed to give you back the whole http://fqdn.com/thisisme whatever string | 02:14 |
| danny_mk | Ah | 02:15 |
| cap10morgan | rather than the infinite variations thereof that the user who is authenticating might type in the box | 02:15 |
| danny_mk | With this upgrade, will we have to support OpenId 1.0 and 2.0? | 02:16 |
| danny_mk | will it be per user or global? | 02:17 |
| cap10morgan | i believe OpenID 2.0 is fully backward compatible | 02:17 |
| cap10morgan | so we shouldn't lose any 1.0 functionality by upgrading to a 2.0 compliant library | 02:17 |
| danny_mk | OK, that will be an easy change | 02:17 |
| cap10morgan | yeah, i did it in another project and it wasn't too bad | 02:18 |
| cap10morgan | though that was PHP (using JanRain) | 02:18 |
| cap10morgan | i forget which library you're using for this module... | 02:18 |
| danny_mk | Net::OpenID::Consumer; | 02:18 |
| cap10morgan | that's right | 02:19 |
| cap10morgan | have they put out a 2.0-compliant version? | 02:19 |
| cap10morgan | i can google that :) | 02:19 |
| danny_mk | I will take a quick look | 02:20 |
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| cap10morgan | hmm, doesn't look like it | 02:24 |
| cap10morgan | we may have to contact the author | 02:24 |
| danny_mk | that is what I thought. I was looking at this website: http://code.google.com/p/openid4perl/ | 02:25 |
| cap10morgan | ah | 02:25 |
| cap10morgan | would it be tricky to switch to that module? | 02:25 |
| danny_mk | not sure, I will have to take a look at the code | 02:27 |
| cap10morgan | ok | 02:27 |
| cap10morgan | sadly, i will have almost no time to spend on this in the near future, but could maybe squeeze a couple little specific things in here and there | 02:28 |
| cap10morgan | if you want to try to pawn a couple things off on me :) | 02:28 |
| danny_mk | can you do the yadis stuff? | 02:29 |
| danny_mk | I don't see OpenId in the requested features | 02:30 |
| danny_mk | is it me? | 02:30 |
| cap10morgan | sorry, what are you looking at? | 02:31 |
| danny_mk | http://www.plainblack.com/rfe | 02:31 |
| cap10morgan | oh! | 02:32 |
| cap10morgan | it's up near the top! | 02:32 |
| danny_mk | preaction had a list of stuff he would like to see in the OpenId module | 02:32 |
| cap10morgan | it's gotten some serious karma lovin' lately | 02:32 |
| @preaction | yeah, and i unloaded a whole slew of my karma into it ;) | 02:32 |
| cap10morgan | hehe | 02:32 |
| danny_mk | Darnit, I did a search and I did not find it | 02:32 |
| danny_mk | not used to seeing it on the first page | 02:33 |
| @preaction | because i think it's a great thing to add to webgui, it's part of the cutting edge of the "Web 2.0" buzzword | 02:33 |
| @preaction | even though the average netizen has yet to really hear about it | 02:33 |
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| danny_mk | anyway, if you can do the yadis stuff, I will tackle the 2.0 and OpenID Attribute Exchange 1.0 implementations | 02:33 |
| cap10morgan | i'm not sure what you mean by the yadis stuff? in the other implementation i've worked on, the yadis stuff was all done by the openid library, it was just a dependency | 02:34 |
| cap10morgan | is there something more explicit that's needed here? | 02:34 |
| danny_mk | You know I am not really sure. Is part of the list that preaction requested. If it is part of the OpenId library then we are all set. | 02:36 |
| @preaction | instead of being an "OpenID Auth" it's a "Yadis auth" that delegates to "OpenID Auth" if they have an OpenID profile (i think. it's been a while since i've looked at yadis) | 02:36 |
| @preaction | yadis is a discovery protocol | 02:36 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: ah, i see | 02:36 |
| @preaction | it discovers what the site supports | 02:36 |
| cap10morgan | hmm... | 02:36 |
| @preaction | openID auth is one of those things, as well as attribute exchange, and LID auth is on there too now i think | 02:37 |
| @preaction | it isn't necessary i guess, but it is useful | 02:37 |
| danny_mk | Let me work on the easy stuff first 2.0 upgrade and attribute exchange | 02:37 |
| cap10morgan | preaction: so what you would want, maybe, is a yadis-based framework upon which we hang an openid option, but others can hang other options too in the future | 02:37 |
| cap10morgan | ?? | 02:37 |
| @preaction | i don't know, my mind is working around last-minute additions to 7.5.0 | 02:39 |
| cap10morgan | fair enough :) | 02:39 |
| @preaction | i don't even know how it could be best done, if the latest OpenID stuff can be done, then I'm satisfied | 02:39 |
| danny_mk | There does not seem to be an available OpenId 2.0 perl library | 02:41 |
| danny_mk | darn | 02:41 |
| danny_mk | http://openid.net/2007/12/05/openid-2_0-final-ly/ | 02:41 |
| cap10morgan | it sounded like openid4perl fit the bill, or did i miss something? | 02:41 |
| cap10morgan | it said it had auth 2.0 and attribute exchange 1.0 | 02:41 |
| danny_mk | that is a project in progress | 02:41 |
| danny_mk | I will check that out | 02:41 |
| cap10morgan | oh! | 02:41 |
| cap10morgan | i did miss something then :) | 02:41 |
| cap10morgan | well, if there's no mature perl library that does it and/or Brad is going to have Net::OpenID::Consumer up to snuff soon, maybe we should move forward w/ OpenID 1.0 for now | 02:43 |
| cap10morgan | i don't think addressing the other stuff will be wasted effort | 02:44 |
| danny_mk | sounds good to me | 02:44 |
| cap10morgan | ok, i'll email the Net::OpenID::Consumer author and see what the status of that is | 02:45 |
| cap10morgan | oh, there's a Net::OpenID::Consumer::Yadis version | 02:46 |
| cap10morgan | I could maybe work on getting it to use that | 02:46 |
| danny_mk | understanding it would be the first step :-) | 02:47 |
| danny_mk | let me know how that goes | 02:47 |
| cap10morgan | will do | 02:50 |
| cap10morgan | ok, let's check in again in a week to see where we're at | 02:54 |
| cap10morgan | ttyl | 02:56 |
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| CIA-14 | WebGUI: add: Events in calendar Week view can now be ordered arbitrarily\ | 05:03 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: fix: Event Related Links are now proper collateral in their own table. The HTML area is parsed and the table populated accordingly. No more silly HTML Area. | 05:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | Go doug go! | 05:03 |
| @preaction | that is the ugliest hack i've ever had to merge... it's not my code, but it works. i just cry for the person (me) who will have to maintain it | 05:14 |
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| xdanger | lovely shit -> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/262161 | 15:38 |
| xdanger | I have a custom asset that has form with 20 RTE-areas, and it doesn't work on ie because of that =D | 15:39 |
| +Radix_ | same in IE7? | 15:44 |
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| xdanger | dunno | 15:52 |
| xdanger | hehe, added this to line 86 in lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm: $tags =~ s|</style><style type="text/css">\n||g; | 15:53 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi SDuensin | 15:56 |
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| AMH_bob | IE7 stops processing style tags at 31; http://www.broen.nl/testfolder/stylex30.html | 16:47 |
| AMH_bob | firefox shows green (the last instance) and ie shows red (31) | 16:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | in WG::ProfileField->isViewable | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | shouldn't return $self->get("viewable"); be return $self->get("visible"); | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 18:09 |
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| rizen_ | you are correct sir | 18:35 |
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| ckotil | http://globalnoc.iu.edu/atlas.html | 19:56 |
| ckotil | GRNOC Atlas was released to the public yesterday! | 19:56 |
| @preaction | that is pretty cool | 19:56 |
| ckotil | Thanks, we worked really hard on it. | 19:57 |
| @preaction | is I2 ever going to be adopted by the mass market? | 19:57 |
| ckotil | replaced this http://weathermap.grnoc.iu.edu/i2_jpg.html ;-p | 19:57 |
| ckotil | probably not. | 19:57 |
| ckotil | I2 is really just a big ISP | 19:57 |
| ckotil | who buys fiber from level3 | 19:57 |
| ckotil | then universities pay them to connect to this high speed "R+E" network | 19:58 |
| ckotil | I2 has started peering with large companies like google, microsoft, yahoo and global crossing | 19:58 |
| ckotil | then there are lots of research projectes riding ontop of I2. | 19:58 |
| ckotil | like hybrid optical and packet networks. | 19:59 |
| ckotil | a lot of the cern, switzerland HLC data will make its way to US institutions via I2, and the manhattan landing exchange point. | 19:59 |
| @preaction | so it sounds like the entire point is that it's Not adopted by a mass market, as that would start sucking up bandwidth with porn and low-brow flame wars | 20:01 |
| ckotil | unclear. | 20:02 |
| ckotil | there is plenty of porn and warez traversing the I2 network | 20:02 |
| ckotil | but its a 10 gigabit pipe | 20:02 |
| ckotil | so, it can hold a lot! | 20:02 |
| ckotil | and they can deploye more waves/ circuits | 20:03 |
| ckotil | between chicago and kansas city there are 2 10GiGE connections | 20:03 |
| @preaction | radar as in doppler radar? weather conditions? | 20:03 |
| ckotil | yeah. LOL | 20:03 |
| ckotil | was supposed to be a joke. but ended up being part of the final release | 20:04 |
| @preaction | lol nice | 20:04 |
| ckotil | the best part about the app is that its all driven off our DB | 20:04 |
| ckotil | so with a few clicks we can create a new network weathermap for any network in our DB | 20:04 |
| @preaction | this thing is fun | 20:07 |
| ckotil | whats really cool is to have the app running and perform a netperf (speed test) test between two nodes. | 20:07 |
| ckotil | and actually be able to visualize the traffic | 20:07 |
| ckotil | it updates every 5 seconds. | 20:08 |
| @preaction | and i finally figured out why the NY-CHI packets were being routed through DC. seems the link is down | 20:08 |
| ckotil | yeah, not sure exactly whats up with that. the link appears up , bc it has some traffice, only a few hundred bytes. could be the path via Washington is preferred. | 20:09 |
| ckotil | it would be black if it were down. | 20:09 |
| ckotil | https://atlas.grnoc.iu.edu/I2-cps.html heres a map just for commoddity peering service. | 20:09 |
| ckotil | its showing two links down. | 20:09 |
| ckotil | and there is considerably less traffic on this map. | 20:09 |
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| wgGuest87 | hello | 20:48 |
| wgGuest87 | i have some questions | 20:48 |
| af_ | it's possible to install webui from source on ubuntu gutsy? | 20:49 |
| wgGuest19 | Hey, I have a question aobut sqlforms, I want to allow upload of images. I set a field type as "text/file" but the upload doesn't work. Any reason as to why? | 20:49 |
| wgGuest19 | I set an upload field as "picture_one" then go to add record and click upload and doesn't accept it or something | 20:52 |
| wgGuest87 | in a macro, can i get parameters send in post or get method | 20:54 |
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| @preaction | af_, yes. its the same as webgui from source on anything else | 21:12 |
| @preaction | wgGuest87, yes. you're given a session object, which has everything you want | 21:12 |
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| wgGuest87 | preaction, if i create a form, the action could be redirected to a macro and in the macro can i get the values of the fields ? | 21:14 |
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| @preaction | wgGuest87: i'll answer your question for the ages, since you're not here: Macros have no URL, so you can't "redirect" something to a macro. you could redirect it to something that HAS a macro that handles whatever how you want, but that sounds stupid when you could just make an asset. | 21:43 |
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| BartJo1 | he martin you again | 22:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is | 22:21 |
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| wgGuest68 | Hi | 22:27 |
| wgGuest68 | I have a question | 22:27 |
| BartJo1 | go ahead | 22:27 |
| wgGuest68 | I need insert a dataform | 22:27 |
| BartJo1 | I'm happy, because I've got my very first macro working | 22:27 |
| wgGuest68 | In my template | 22:27 |
| BartJo1 | yes, with an AssetProxy? | 22:28 |
| wgGuest68 | I have in my template three elements | 22:28 |
| wgGuest68 | 1. A element that is loading whit an asetproxy | 22:28 |
| BartJo1 | is it the dataform template, or page layout template? just asking for certainty | 22:29 |
| wgGuest68 | This aset proxy contains a java menu | 22:29 |
| wgGuest68 | page layout | 22:29 |
| BartJo1 | ok | 22:29 |
| wgGuest68 | When i insert the data form in the page layout | 22:29 |
| wgGuest68 | This cause a conflict whit the java menu | 22:30 |
| BartJo1 | a layout conflict or functionality> | 22:30 |
| wgGuest68 | Funcionality | 22:31 |
| BartJo1 | mmm are there any id's that are used double? | 22:31 |
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| wgGuest68 | The java menu stops working | 22:31 |
| BartJo1 | can you place them both in their own <div> element? | 22:32 |
| wgGuest68 | Tha java menu is not a navigation o f web gui | 22:33 |
| wgGuest68 | I design this in other program | 22:33 |
| wgGuest68 | and create a article to paste the code | 22:34 |
| wgGuest68 | I insert the data form in my page layout | 22:34 |
| wgGuest68 | When i to insert the data form | 22:34 |
| BartJo1 | better use a snippet | 22:34 |
| BartJo1 | for the java code | 22:35 |
| wgGuest68 | Ok, let me test | 22:35 |
| BartJo1 | and mark it as type java in the template | 22:37 |
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| wgGuest83 | hello | 23:28 |
| wgGuest83 | Someone knows how to make a new authentication module? | 23:29 |
| BartJo1 | hi | 23:29 |
| BartJo1 | hi | 23:29 |
| BartJo1 | no, maybe you can look at the LDAP module and try to convert it, but no idea how difficult that is | 23:30 |
| BartJo1 | or how possible | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | what kind of auth do you want to do? | 23:31 |
| wgGuest83 | i need auth with google | 23:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there an api? | 23:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | on the google side that is? | 23:32 |
| wgGuest83 | no, with googleapps | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i don't know google apps | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i do know that if there isn't an api to interface with google | 23:33 |
| wgGuest83 | is an aplication that their, google site | 23:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | you won't be able to make an auth plugin | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | for whatever system | 23:34 |
| wgGuest83 | is a free for education And provide mail service | 23:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | how does an application implement an authentication system usable by webgui? | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you have any documentation? | 23:35 |
| wgGuest83 | no | 23:35 |
| wgGuest83 | i don't know, and for this is my question | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | basically auth plugins in webgui (and aother systems) come down to this: | 23:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | the user provides webgui with credentials | 23:36 |
| wgGuest83 | i have webgui source | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | within webgui an auth plugin will give those credentials to some thingy that can verify them | 23:36 |
| wgGuest83 | but with i haven't credentials | 23:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | for instance it checks if the password corresponds to the username if standard webgui auth is used | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | or it check those to some part of an ldap tree if the ldap plugin is used | 23:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | so | 23:37 |
| wgGuest83 | mmm | 23:37 |
| wgGuest83 | but do you know how make a new module? | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to build a plugin for google auth | 23:38 |
| wgGuest83 | si | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | you need to know how to ask google to verify your logins for you | 23:38 |
| wgGuest83 | yes | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes i know how to make such modules | 23:38 |
| wgGuest83 | i have an code build in perl | 23:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | and if you can code in perl you can know too | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's all documented in WebGUI::Auth | 23:39 |
| wgGuest83 | thanks | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | and to examples are provided through WG::Auth::WebGUI and WG::Auth::LDAP | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | my guess is that your googly plugin will be mostly like the WG::A::WG plugin | 23:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | you already have the auth code ready? | 23:40 |
| wgGuest83 | no | 23:41 |
| wgGuest83 | well, in perl | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what i mean | 23:41 |
| wgGuest83 | yes | 23:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | so in that case you know the google api | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | you know how to talk to google from perl | 23:42 |
| wgGuest83 | yes | 23:42 |
| wgGuest83 | yes} | 23:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you paste that code to http://webgui.pastebin.com/? | 23:42 |
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| wgGuest83 | wait a moment | 23:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | preaction | 23:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | just tried to check out the gallery asset | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | but when i try to add it the edit screen doesn't show up | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll just get thrown back to the home page | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | weird thing is | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | no errors in the log | 23:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | any ideaa? | 23:49 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Jan 24 2008 | ||
| SynQ | rizen! | 00:00 |
| SynQ | or should I say, my dear mr. Smith | 00:00 |
| SynQ | how do you do? | 00:00 |
| SynQ | say hello to your lovely wife from me | 00:03 |
| BartJo1 | hi Koen | 00:04 |
| SynQ | mister Jol, what a delight to meet you here too | 00:04 |
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| SynQ | disgust got the better of Doug I think | 00:05 |
| SynQ | his stomach might not be tough enough for such beautiful language | 00:05 |
| BartJo1 | but i just implemented my first macro (it's an hello world, thingy, but anyways) | 00:06 |
| SynQ | a small thingy or a thingy with a lot of girth? | 00:06 |
| BartJo1 | small :( | 00:07 |
| SynQ | post it on webgui.org and see how much karma you can earn :) | 00:07 |
| BartJo1 | no, it's really helloworld, only with hallo gast | 00:07 |
| BartJo1 | no karma for that | 00:07 |
| BartJo1 | just a test | 00:07 |
| SynQ | has anyone ever submitted a 'hello world' macro to the submissions? | 00:08 |
| BartJo1 | well, it's somewhere on webgui.org, that's where I got it from | 00:08 |
| SynQ | oh | 00:09 |
| SynQ | damn | 00:09 |
| SynQ | that's a pity | 00:10 |
| SynQ | now I'm being summoned to bed | 00:10 |
| SynQ | see y'all tomorrow ~~ | 00:10 |
| BartJo1 | ok, bye | 00:10 |
| BartJo1 | success making children | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | SynQ! | 00:33 |
| @rizen | i will not say hi to my lovely wife for you...she might think you're trying to put the moves on her | 00:34 |
| @rizen | and then you'd have 2 women and i'd have zero, so that doesn't work out well for me. =() | 00:34 |
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| +Radix_ | Someone outta tell tavis that every time he edits that news post another copy gets sent to all subscribers. | 00:46 |
| +Radix_ | just received my fourth copy of that nominate webgui post. | 00:47 |
| @preaction | he'll get them too | 00:48 |
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| perlmonkey2 | WebGUI has 10,000 installs and only 16 people hang out here. | 02:03 |
| perlmonkey2 | :( | 02:03 |
| CIA-14 | WebGUI: graham * r5309 / (21 files in 12 dirs): merging 7.4 changes | 02:03 |
| @preaction | sometimes 20 | 02:09 |
| @preaction | it's growing | 02:09 |
| @preaction | when i started at plainblack a year ago, there were 3 | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | expect it to go down soon though | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's bed time over here | 02:10 |
| @preaction | pfft, lamer | 02:10 |
| @preaction | the cool people idle all niight | 02:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you read my post about the gallery btw? | 02:10 |
| @preaction | don't see it, no | 02:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | i tried to add a gellery on my dev site | 02:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in stead of the edit screen i just got thrown back to th ehome page | 02:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing in th elogs though | 02:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is usually the when something like that happens | 02:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea what might be wrong? | 02:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm running off the latest svn rev | 02:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | well the latest a couple of hours ago anyway | 02:13 |
| @preaction | did you run testEnvironment and did you resetdev? | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | i did run testenvironment | 02:14 |
| @preaction | did you check the modperl error log too? turn on debug mode perhaps? it has more detailed info | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes i did | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | as | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno what resetdev is, but i inserted previousVersion.sql | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then upgraded | 02:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | and restarted of course | 02:15 |
| @preaction | switch loglevel to DEBUG maybe? | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | that might work | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try that | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | but not tonight | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll let you know how it works out | 02:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 02:15 |
| @preaction | k | 02:16 |
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| perlmonkey2 | ug, the people at work want to know if they can create a Wobject and sell it. | 02:50 |
| perlmonkey2 | I think that might count as static linking and violate the GPL2 | 02:51 |
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| @apeiron | IANAL, but AFAIK you *can* sell GPL'd code so long as you provide the source for it. | 02:54 |
| @apeiron | GPL2'd code, anyway. | 02:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | they would never provide the soruce | 02:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | as it could be freely given away | 02:54 |
| perlmonkey2 | But maybe, since Wobjects interact with WebGUI through an API, it isn't GPL'd. | 02:55 |
| perlmonkey2 | Not that I'm really on their side. | 02:55 |
| @apeiron | Well, since it's Perl, they likely *have* to provide the source. :) Either that or obfuscate it. | 02:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | If software was sold as a service instead of shrink wrap, the world would have a lot better software, be a lot more productive, and a lot lot richer. | 02:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | apeiron: hah, very good point. | 02:56 |
| perlmonkey2 | apeiron: we'll just sell them an account on our machines. | 02:56 |
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| perlmonkey2 | I talked to the guys on gnu and they say in order to keep my employer from making a claim on the surey system I should add it to the source tree ASAP. | 03:57 |
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| +Radix-wrk | I don't see why you couldn't create a custom wobject and sell it. That's the whole point of having an API and pluggable system - so you can write custom code. There's no requirement to provide your custom code. | 04:30 |
| perlmonkey2 | Radix-wrk: Is this good or bad for WebGUI? I'd prefer to keep everything FOSS. But that model only pays developers, and the people I work for want paid for their ideas. | 04:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | You can't alter webgui and sell it, but you can write third party plugins for it and sell them | 04:31 |
| +Radix-wrk | It's always good for webgui - regardless of whether it's kept secret, sold, or given away freely - because it means more people are using webgui :) | 04:33 |
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| perlmonkey2 | Their idea is for the survey system to go out as planned, but they are masters of the survey, having been doing it for research for probably 200 years between them all. And they want they super-sexy-does-everything-in-the-world version to be their property. | 04:33 |
| perlmonkey2 | where I'd like to figure out how to make the super-sexy version also part of WebGUI, cause they have some killer ideas. It would make WebGUI HUGE, and then I could beg JT for a phat consulting job and live a life of ease. | 04:35 |
| diakopter | bwahaha | 04:36 |
| +Radix-wrk | lol | 04:37 |
| +Radix-wrk | So far there has been no marketplace for custom wobjects in webgui that I've seen. That said.. I'd rather have a marketplace with custom assets for sale, than have none at all. | 04:38 |
| perlmonkey2 | Well, they have big plans and they are setting aside salary in their budget to fund development. | 04:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | They're thinking they can sell licenses at what the other big boys charge, $150K/site. | 04:39 |
| perlmonkey2 | I guess that would be good, because it would require every user to download WebGUI, which means they'd have to pay for it to be installed, configured, skinned, etc. | 04:40 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I'd still rather FOSS it. | 04:41 |
| +Radix-wrk | 150k per site - they're going to have a hard time selling it :) | 04:43 |
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| perlmonkey2 | That is what the current software they use sells for, and they think it all sucks. | 04:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | But I'm not sure how you protect a Perl plugin. | 04:44 |
| +Radix-wrk | don't give away the perl code | 04:44 |
| perlmonkey2 | Then what are we selling? Really expensive hosting :P | 04:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | Oh.. I see what you mean | 04:45 |
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| +Radix-wrk | You can obfuscate it.. and have it check a remote server for a license | 04:45 |
| +Radix-wrk | but ultimately it's hackable - it's code after all | 04:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | I just wish there was a way to use JT's model. | 04:46 |
| perlmonkey2 | But it isnt' like there is a lot of support needed for using survey softare. | 04:46 |
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| elnino | hello. I'm trying to figure out the dash board thing. what type of assets will it allow me to add and how do I get it to display my choices? I'm assuming that my "choices" are assets below the dashboard? - they aren't showing up. | 08:47 |
| elnino | this appears to be a feature that isn't documentd anywhere, I searched on webgui.org and found nothing. I'd be happy to document my experience, but I can't figure out how to even start. | 08:48 |
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| elnino | is there any documentation other than the wiki I just started on the dashboard? How to I provide choices in the dashboard to the user? | 08:59 |
| @rizen | the content managers guide documents how to use the dashboard | 09:00 |
| elnino | I didn't think that was avabilable anymore. | 09:01 |
| elnino | I seem to remember asking about it, but it wasn't available. | 09:01 |
| @rizen | i own pb | 09:01 |
| @rizen | it is available | 09:01 |
| @rizen | https://www.plainblack.com/store/services/books2/webgui-content-managers-guide | 09:02 |
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| CIA-14 | WebGUI: graham * r5312 /WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm: screwed up a merge | 09:03 |
| elnino | ok. thanks. so... if it's in a book, is there opposition in having a wiki started? | 09:04 |
| elnino | and since I have your attention. When do you think vps hosting may be avilable? | 09:05 |
| @rizen | absolutely start a wiki page, as long as you aren't copying from the book i don't care | 09:07 |
| @rizen | if some day the community provides good enough documentation, we won't have to go through the trouble of creating books | 09:07 |
| @rizen | =) | 09:07 |
| @rizen | as far as VPS, can't tell you for sure, but before the end of january is likely | 09:08 |
| elnino | this january? | 09:08 |
| elnino | O | 09:08 |
| elnino | opps. | 09:08 |
| elnino | I'll retype the book into the wiki for you. - are you serious? | 09:09 |
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| @rizen | i'm not asking you to retype the book into the wiki for me | 09:15 |
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| BartJol | mmm, the forum looks odd, update didn't went without any hick-ups | 12:38 |
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