WebGUI irc logs from: 2006-05.log

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+MrHairgreaseso matt15:49
+MrHairgreasewhat;s up?15:49
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+MrHairgreasehey guys17:07
+MrHairgreasedo you celebrate labor day?17:07
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xdangeryeah, by not doing any labor ;)17:14
+MrHairgreaseI'm not17:16
+MrHairgreasefrickin commies! =)17:16
@pbmdawgis today labor day?17:16
+MrHairgreaseYEah supposedly17:16
+MrHairgreaseJoeri just told me17:16
@pbmdawglabor day is in September17:16
+MrHairgreaseno man17:17
+MrHairgreaseit is today17:17
@pbmdawgin USA it's in September17:17
+MrHairgreaseoh ok17:17
+MrHairgreasemust be the timezones17:17
BaylinkI suspect it's because the holiday means different things to different people.17:45
+MrHairgreaseIt's no holliday in Holland17:46
+MrHairgreaseevrybody here just works17:46
+MrHairgreaseAnybody who wants to POD the new graphing stuff?17:47
+MrHairgreaseI pretty much have had it with doing that =)17:47
BaylinkWork?  Aiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee!17:47
* Baylink runs screaming into the darkness17:48
+MrHairgreaselater guys18:38
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+crythiasam I reading something right?21:32
@pbmdawgwhat are you reading21:34
+crythias$420/year to host with plainblack *and* I get the $500 support?21:34
+crythiasmy brain is a little slow.21:34
+crythiasespecially when I don't see things side by side.21:35
+crythiaswell, um... ok, Would I need to upgrade my site to 6.8.latest and would I be able to port it to plainblack.com?21:35
@pbmdawgdepends on what version it is now21:36
+crythiasI've been lazy21:36
@pbmdawgyeah; roy will upgrade it for you21:36
+crythiasCan I host multiple domains on one account?21:37
+crythias"MC Escher" --"He's not a true emcee" What? is he a sucka emcee?21:50
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* crythias skids by...22:07
+MrHairgreasehey dude22:07
+MrHairgreasehow's life22:07
+crythiasnot bad not bad.22:07
+MrHairgreasevery good22:08
+MrHairgrease[ 1475206 ] admin's create new user form displays self's profile22:24
+MrHairgreasethat bug does not reproduce22:24
+MrHairgreasecan you confirm?22:24
@pbmdawgyeah; it must be my browser auto-populating or something22:32
+MrHairgreaselatest svn update22:32
+MrHairgreaseoh ok22:32
+MrHairgreaseshall i close it?22:32
@pbmdawgsure if you're sure you can't reproduce (add stuff to admin's profile first)22:33
@pbmdawgthen try22:33
+MrHairgreasei did22:33
@pbmdawgoh ok22:35
+MrHairgreaseit's labor day after all =)22:35
+MrHairgreaseanother question: should it go into the changelog?22:48
+MrHairgreaseit's not actually a bug after all..22:48
@pbmdawgnope; just close22:49
+crythiasIf at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you.23:07
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xdangerinteresting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari...14:04
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nbcccorpwhat is a comment char in the webgui site .conf files?16:32
xdangerisn't it "allways" #16:36
nbcccorpwell... sometimes it's ; or ' or /* or //16:37
nbcccorpthanks though.16:38
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wouter_procolixHey Martin :)17:22
wouter_procolixand hi everybody of course :)17:23
wouter_procolixDoes someone know what $dt->monthCount should return?17:23
wouter_procolixfor example if start = January 31 and end = February 1 ?17:23
+MrHairgreasedoesn't the pod say what it should do?17:24
wouter_procolixPOD: "Returns the number of months between the start and end dates (inclusive)."17:24
wouter_procolixSo, "February 1" minus "January 31" is 0-2 days, depending on the time.17:25
wouter_procolixBut how many months is that?17:25
+MrHairgreasein that case it should return the number of months between the start and end date17:25
wouter_procolix0, or 1, or 2?17:25
+MrHairgreaseI guess17:25
wouter_procolixOkay, then it's wrong, because it does:17:25
wouter_procolix        my $duration = $end - $start;17:26
wouter_procolix        return $duration->delta_months;17:26
+MrHairgreaseso that's jan, feb17:26
+MrHairgrease2 months17:26
wouter_procolixYeah, I would say that too. But than you can't do "$end - $start", that makes no sense.17:26
+MrHairgreaseBut how do you define a month17:26
+MrHairgreaseit can be 28 29 30 or 31 days17:26
+crythiasit'd be 0 or 117:26
+crythiaslikely 117:27
+MrHairgreaseThe code agrees with crythias17:27
+MrHairgreasebut the pod isn't17:27
+MrHairgreasewhat is it used for?17:27
+crythiasit doesn't care about days.17:27
+crythiasFeb-Jan=1 month17:28
+MrHairgreaseI mean where is it in use17:28
wouter_procolixYes, but is the code correct? In that case I would have to use another function or implement my own one.17:28
+crythiasThe code is correct, likely, because the *general* usage is months in the sense of calendar, not in groups of 30 days.17:29
BaylinkBased on that original definition, it's undefined.  Date math has to include a year17:30
+crythiaswell, yes, I assumed within the same year, but you're correct.17:31
BaylinkAny function which does not must give undefined results.17:31
+MrHairgreaseyeah the year is 200617:31
Baylink*even* if they're in the same year.17:31
+crythiasand it's probably still using epochs to do math.17:31
BaylinkWorst case, the function must assume "this year", and *say so*17:31
wouter_procolixWell in that case "31 Aug" - "31 Jun" is three months, while "31 Mar" - "31 Jan" is 2 months ???17:31
wouter_procolixOh no, that's not true.17:31
wouter_procolixThat depends on how "delta_months" is implemented...17:32
wouter_procolixargh I'm confused.17:32
+crythiasI agree. how are params passed? You say subtract first then get the answer?17:32
Baylink"how many months is it between two dates" is also undefined.17:32
+crythiaswhere is it?17:32
+MrHairgreasedelta_months is a DateTime method right?17:32
+MrHairgreasecheck the docs of DateTime17:33
wouter_procolixParams are epoch.17:33
+MrHairgreasethere your answr lies17:33
wouter_procolixsub monthCount {17:33
wouter_procolix        my $self = shift;17:33
wouter_procolix        my $start = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift );17:33
wouter_procolix        my $end = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift );17:33
wouter_procolix        my $duration = $end - $start;17:33
wouter_procolix        return $duration->delta_months;17:33
+MrHairgreaseI guess DateTime overloads the - operator17:34
+MrHairgreaseso whats the result of that?17:34
+MrHairgreaseDateTime::Difference or something?17:34
wouter_procolixepoch is just an integer, isn't it?17:34
+crythiasepoch is integer, yes17:34
+MrHairgreaseno your substracting two objects17:34
wouter_procolixSo the minus operator gives just the result in seconds.17:35
+MrHairgreaseDateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift );17:35
+crythiasthis is line 634 of WebGUI\Session\DateTime.pm, btw17:35
+MrHairgreaseis a constructor17:35
wouter_procolixAh yes, I see it now.17:35
+MrHairgreaseSo the behaviour of your sub is determined by the DateTime magic17:35
+MrHairgreasein delta_months17:36
wouter_procolixI'll try to find the documentation of that.17:36
+MrHairgreaseTime to do the dishes17:36
+MrHairgreaseI've managed to postpone that tedious task for about a week and a half17:36
+MrHairgreaseBut now I must do it17:36
wouter_procolixYikes. Well, good luck. Have fun :)17:37
* MrHairgrease is beaten by dirty pot's and dishes...17:37
wouter_procolixAnd thanks to all for the reactions.17:37
+MrHairgreaseare you working tomorrow17:37
wouter_procolixI'm working today :)17:37
+MrHairgreaseHave you seen my email about the perl workshop?17:38
+crythias  my $dt = DateTime->new( year   => 1066,                           month  => 10,                           day    => 25,                           hour   => 7,                           minute => 15,                           second => 47,                           nanosecond => 500000000,                           time_zone  => 'America/Chicago',                         );17:38
wouter_procolixYes I have seen the mail. Maybe I'll go to it. It would be interesting for me I guess17:38
+MrHairgreaseyeah sure17:38
wouter_procolixAnd not to far away :)17:38
+MrHairgreaseI read we'll have to register before monday17:39
+MrHairgreaseor no free lunch17:39
+MrHairgreasefive miutes walk...17:39
+MrHairgreasethe free lunch part was meant literally17:39
+MrHairgreasethey have to order a week in advance or so17:39
+MrHairgreasei'm going afk to wash up17:40
wouter_procolixbye bye17:40
+crythiasdelta_month doesn't appear in DateTime-0.3017:41
wouter_procolixHm, I'll check what version I have.17:41
+crythiasthat is to say...17:42
wouter_procolixHm, strange, I couldn't find it in the WebGUI files either.17:42
wouter_procolixMaybe in one of the DateTime::xxxx modules?17:42
wouter_procolixAh: DateTime::Duration17:43
wouter_procolixsub delta_months  { $_[0]->{months} }17:43
+crythiasfrom_epoch( epoch => $epoch, ... ) This class method can be used to construct a new DateTime object from an epoch time17:44
+crythiasfrom where did you get that?17:50
wouter_procolixThe "sub delta_months" came from DateTime::Duration17:51
+crythiasI think the subtraction $end-$start is ...17:52
+crythiasyyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss.nnnnnnnnn-17:52
wouter_procolixYeah, I'm just reading that page, but I can't find exactly what it does.17:54
+crythiasI agree17:54
wouter_procolixI think that from "Feb 28" to "March 28" is 1 month.17:54
wouter_procolixAnd "March 30" to "April 30" is also 1 month.17:55
wouter_procolixBut "March 31" to "April 30" is ambiguous than...17:55
wouter_procolixIs it 1 month? Or 4 weeks and 2 days?17:55
+crythiasunfortunately I am still running an old version.18:01
+crythiasof WG. No DateTime.18:01
+crythiasDateTime isn't a trivial install18:02
wouter_procolixNo, I did a WebGUI install a few weeks ago and also had some problems with DateTime :(18:03
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+crythiasportinstall p5-DateTime :)18:04
wouter_procolixportinstall ?18:04
+crythiascompleted. Yeah. portinstall is freebsd18:04
wouter_procolixhi @ luke18:04
Luke___somebody worked with matrix wobject ?18:05
Luke___i can´t delete fields...:-)18:05
wouter_procolix@Luke: no, I have not used it yet.18:06
+crythiaswouter: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uyHwrO92.html18:06
+crythiasI think I did it right.18:06
+crythiasreturns .. zero?18:06
wouter_procolixYes, returns 0.18:07
+crythiasthen it makes a hash from the -18:08
+crythias30 may minus 31 march = 118:09
BaylinkThis is 7.0b1 stuff, guys?18:09
wouter_procolixIt's about DateTime and DateTime::Duration, and yeah they're in WebGUI since version 6.99 or so18:10
+crythias30 may minus 1 march -218:10
BaylinkGot it.18:10
+crythias30 May minus 1 Mar = 218:10
+crythiastry it out18:11
wouter_procolixThat's unexpected...18:11
wouter_procolixOkay, so it's 2 months and 30 days.18:12
wouter_procolixAnd it returns just one element of the array...18:12
wouter_procolixIn this case "2" months.18:12
+crythiascheck again18:12
+crythias30 may minus 31 march is 118:13
wouter_procolixI did "May 31" minus "March 1" and that returned 2.18:13
+MrHairgreasethat's not weird18:13
+MrHairgreasemarch april may18:13
+crythiasoh. wait, yes, it would18:13
+MrHairgreasetwo months and some days diff18:13
+crythiasmay 31 - march 1 is 218:13
* MrHairgrease has quit doing the dishes18:14
+crythiasmay 30 - mar 31 is 118:14
wouter_procolix30 may minus 31 march is ambiguous, but it probably depends on some variable (I forgot the name)18:14
* MrHairgrease wants to practice the sirtaki18:14
wouter_procolixwrap | limit | preserved18:14
+MrHairgreaseYou can bet DateTime does it the correct way18:14
wouter_procolixYeah I trust that, I just want to understand what it does, so that I know if I can use that function.18:14
wouter_procolixReturns one of "wrap", "limit", or "preserve".18:15
+MrHairgreasethat seem a valid strategy18:15
wouter_procolixIf you specify "end_of_month" mode as "preserve", the same calculation is done as for "limit" except that if the original date is at the end of the month the new date will also be. For instance, adding one month to Feb 29, 2000 will result in Mar 31, 2000.18:15
wouter_procolixNow that's weird, but I guess date math is just weird by definition :)18:16
+MrHairgreasethere's no bigger pain than date math18:16
+MrHairgreasethink of it18:16
+crythiaskidney stones.18:16
+MrHairgreasemonths are not a unique length18:16
+MrHairgreaseand the length of a month can change depending on the year18:17
+MrHairgreasethose gregorians must have been on some serious drugs18:17
wouter_procolixYes, but I expected/hoped that $dt->monthCount would return the number of different months are in the given interval. But that turns out not to be the case.18:17
wouter_procolixYeah, and then there's timezones and daylight saving time ..... ARGH!18:18
+MrHairgreasebut that you can figure out quite easily18:18
+MrHairgreasethere's always a constant number of months in a year18:18
wouter_procolixAnyway, the Events Calendar is working almost perfectly fine now :)18:18
+MrHairgreaseThat's cool18:18
+MrHairgreaseIt was kind of a mess18:18
wouter_procolixYeah, you can say that.18:19
+MrHairgreaseto put it euphamytically18:19
+MrHairgreaseI can spell the friggen word in ducth18:19
+MrHairgreasepost your bug to the tracker on sourceforge18:20
+MrHairgreaseand I will have a look on it tomorrow18:20
+MrHairgreasewhat version are you on?18:20
+MrHairgreasethat's how you spell it in dutch18:22
+crythiasno, cluster foxtrot is a euphemism. a mess, is mildly, yet inadequately descriptive.18:22
+MrHairgreaseI don't not know what a cluster foxtrot is18:23
+MrHairgreaseand I'm not entirely sure I want to know =)18:23
+crythiasfoxtrot is merely a word to indicate the letter "F"18:24
* MrHairgrease is at a loss18:24
+MrHairgreaseplease explain18:24
+MrHairgreaseyeah I know _that_18:24
+MrHairgreaseI meant the cluster F thing18:25
+crythiasI'm being polite.18:25
+MrHairgreaseno need for that18:25
+MrHairgreaseI'm from rural holland18:25
wouter_procolixHe guys, I'm going to leave you now. See you later.18:27
wouter_procolixAnd Martin, I'll mail you about the Perl thing. I'll have to check if I have time for it.18:27
wouter_procolixAre you goin?18:27
+MrHairgreaseyung also goes i think18:27
+MrHairgreaseand maybe len18:27
wouter_procolixOkay, great :)18:27
+MrHairgreaseI'll email them and then we'll  see18:27
+MrHairgreaseOh yeah18:27
+MrHairgreaseand we have to pry loose some money from our beloved employers =)18:28
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wouter_procolixOkay, see you later!18:28
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+crythiasI've been at the top of google for a few searches, but I got a referal link from another site20:09
+crythiasthis regarding my pc anywhere with dynamic ip.20:10
+crythiasI've gotten referral links from google and other search engines, and one mention from expertexchange to which I made a reciprocal link.20:11
+crythiasAnd I have had some del.icio.us referals, but now I've received another link. :) yay.20:12
xdangerinteresting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari...20:27
xdangernice one20:27
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+MrHairgreaseAre you going to teh perl workshop?16:29
lenthamenhey martin !16:32
lenthamenweet het nog niet...16:32
+MrHairgreaseje schijnt voor maandag te moeten boeken16:32
+MrHairgreaseanders geen gratis lunch...16:32
+crythiasooh. I heard free lunch16:33
+MrHairgreaseaint no susch thing16:33
lenthamenow... Dan ga ik niet. Eind deze maand ga ik een week met de motor naar de dolomieten en ik ben thuis ook nog druk aan het verhuizen...16:33
lenthamenjij gaat wel ?16:33
+MrHairgreasewaarheen ga je verhuizen?16:33
+MrHairgreaseyung ook16:34
+MrHairgreaseen wouter waarschijnlijk16:34
+MrHairgreaseje kan je ook na maandag nog inschrijven16:34
lenthamenhehe, intern verhuizen... er komt gezinsuitbreiding aan dus mijn werkkamer moet naar zolder :(16:34
+MrHairgreaseoh joh16:34
+MrHairgreasehoe lang nog?16:34
lenthameneind augustus uitgerekend...16:35
lenthamenDus ik kan ook niet mee naar las vegas _snik_16:35
+MrHairgreasedat is wel jammer16:35
lenthamenbaal als een stekker...16:35
+MrHairgreasemaar de wuc is pas half september16:35
+MrHairgreasena twee weken kan je ega het toch wel weer aan? =)16:36
+MrHairgreasedat krijg je ervan....16:36
+MrHairgreasevan kerstmis dat is16:36
lenthamenOf van sinterklaas...16:37
+MrHairgreasenu krijg ik allemaal beelden16:37
+MrHairgreasedank je....16:37
+MrHairgreaseje had je baard opgeplakt?16:37
lenthamen"Kijk eens wat sinterklaas voor jou uit spanje meegenomen heeft" :)16:38
+MrHairgreasetoch niet een cadeautje?16:38
lenthamenpfff is het bij jullie ook zo fucking heet ?16:39
+MrHairgreaseen ik ben bezig met javascript16:39
+MrHairgreaseen pod16:39
+MrHairgreasedus het zuigt een beetje vandaag16:39
+MrHairgreasejs heeft dus geen block scoping heh16:39
+MrHairgreaseontzettend arelekst16:40
lenthamenheh dan heb je php nog niet gezien :D16:40
+MrHairgreasedus nu werk ik met variabelen als: s_OdVKRthyqrb8GK_aDzqYzQ.setMaximum(100);16:40
lenthamenwas je nog naar a'dam.pm geweest ?16:41
+MrHairgreasecheck dat16:41
+MrHairgreaseadam.pm? nee16:42
+MrHairgreasegeen tijd16:42
+MrHairgreasemaar ik ga het dus goed maken op de perl workshop16:42
lenthamenIk ga zo naar de surf winkel.16:44
+MrHairgreasesurf winkel?16:44
+MrHairgreaseborden enzo?16:44
lenthamenga een wetsuit kopen.16:45
+MrHairgreaseben jij zo'n surferdude?16:46
lenthamenik doe sinds kort 's avonds mee met de surfclub hier in almere....16:47
+MrHairgreaseis het nu wel lekkah weer voor16:47
+MrHairgreasemits het waait natuurlijk16:47
lenthamenprecies.. heeft koen al een huis op de kop getikt ?16:48
+MrHairgreasehij is nog zoekende heb ik begrepen16:49
+MrHairgreasefucking dordrecht...16:49
lenthamenIs webgui 7 echt 100x sneller ?16:49
+MrHairgrease100x is misschien een beetje overdreven16:50
+MrHairgreasemaar het is wel sneller ja16:50
lenthamenok :)16:50
xdangeris it possible to force a user to edit his/her profile on login ?16:57
+crythiasI think it's possible if you have fields that are obligatory.16:58
+MrHairgreaseonly on anon reg16:58
+crythiasbut *every* logon?16:58
+MrHairgreaseonly anonymous reg16:58
xdangerI'm supposed to do a batch of user generation based on a the information in a CS, and there are some information missing16:58
xdangerJust would like to do that on the "next" login for everyone16:59
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+MrHairgreasethat is not a wg feature17:00
+MrHairgreaseif you want to do that you have to rig WebGUI::Auth17:00
+MrHairgreaseor WG::Auth::WebGUI17:00
xdangerI don't want that to happen to my other webgui sites =P17:01
xdangeron the same installation17:01
+MrHairgreaseI can imagine17:01
xdangerbut yeah, that could work...17:01
+MrHairgreaseMaybe you can build a macro17:01
xdangermaybe someone would need this feature ? "forceUserToUpdateProfile" ;)17:02
+MrHairgreaseif user profiles are not complete it should redirect the user to op=editProfile17:02
+MrHairgreaseyou can put that macro in your style17:02
+MrHairgreasethat should work.17:02
xdangerhmm... not bad...17:03
xdangeror a link with blinking red texti size 32px "Update your profile"17:03
lenthamenmaybe an SQL REport that checks if profile data is present, and if not it prints a <meta refresh> to ?op=editProfile ?17:03
+MrHairgreasebut that won't force em17:03
+MrHairgreaseI would go for the macro17:04
xdangeris there a macro to probe the profile data ?17:04
+MrHairgreasenot that i know of anyway17:04
xdangerdamn... I think i'll make one then ;)17:04
+MrHairgreasebut you can use the api17:04
lenthamen^User ?17:04
lenthamen^User(someField); will give you the content of the profiel field "someField".17:05
xdangera right... thanks17:05
xdangerif I add a hidden profile field kindof "lastUpdated" and check for that, then I wouldn't really need to create anything "new"17:06
+MrHairgreasei dunno17:07
+MrHairgreaseif that would work that is17:07
lenthamenMartin: I thought someone @procolix was working on a "upload image" function directly in the html editor ?17:08
lenthamenMartin: or am I wrong ?17:08
+MrHairgreaseI think he already put it in17:09
Trebbor123Oh, that's cool. :)17:09
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lenthamenI'm going offline. ttyl.17:11
+MrHairgreaseyeah it is =)17:11
+MrHairgreaseok later17:11
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Trebbor123MrHairgrease, where are you from?17:16
Trebbor123Ah, that's what I thought. Nederlands dus.17:17
+MrHairgreaseand you17:17
+MrHairgreaseMy brother lives there17:17
Trebbor123Haha, funny17:17
Trebbor123My brother also. :P17:17
+MrHairgreasewell well17:18
+MrHairgreasewhat a coincidence17:18
Trebbor123But what I was wondering. Do you use WebGUI's Pagetree plugin for TinyMCE often?17:19
+MrHairgreaseI don't use timymce that much17:20
Trebbor123Oh, okay. :) Nevermind then.17:20
+MrHairgreaseI just code and code and code =)17:20
+MrHairgreaseis it broken?17:20
Trebbor123No, I didn't also before updating to 6.817:20
+MrHairgreasepls explain17:21
Trebbor123No, it's not. I only wondered why it only creates links to pages (or asseturl's actually)17:21
Trebbor123The reason I bring this up is because I get a lot of questions from co-workers about how to add a link to a file or image that's already inserted in WebGUI.17:23
+MrHairgreaseand the images do not show up in the asset tree?17:23
Trebbor123So I was thinking (and adjusted it for myself) why not use the Pagetree function of WebGUI, rename it to External link, and let the pagetree be able to link to the files and images17:23
Trebbor123They do, but if you insert them it will pass the asset URL not the real File or Image URL.17:24
Trebbor123In my opinion you don't want that. :)17:24
+MrHairgreaseWell you do17:24
+MrHairgreasebut embedded in a FileUrl macro17:24
+MrHairgreaseif you insert the /uploads/bla/bla/etc url directly17:25
Trebbor123That's also possible. This way the image or file can be changed without adjusting the url you mean.17:25
+MrHairgreaseyou are not safe for versioning17:25
+MrHairgreaseif you change an image a new entry in the uploads folder is made17:25
Trebbor123That's true.17:25
+MrHairgreasetherefore: use ^FileUrl;17:26
Trebbor123That's a good tip.17:26
+MrHairgreaseIt will save you lots of headache17:26
+MrHairgreasewhich is a Good Thing of course17:26
Trebbor123But I was wondering if I should post this as a contribution. Because I couldn't think of any reason why it should return assetURL's of files and images.17:27
+MrHairgreasecontribution where?17:27
Trebbor123So that's why I asked if you use it often, so I could find out if more people need this.17:28
Trebbor123To Plainblack?17:28
+MrHairgreasesure why not17:28
+MrHairgreaserobbert: marc is leaving17:28
+MrHairgreasedid you check out the new intl tool?17:29
Trebbor123Yep, I'm working on it right now. :)17:29
+MrHairgreaseah very cool17:29
Trebbor123No, it's hot.17:29
+MrHairgreaseyes it is17:29
+MrHairgreasealso in Groningen?17:29
Trebbor123Good thing we have aircoditioning.17:29
+MrHairgreaseyou lucky bastard17:29
Trebbor123Even in Groningen. :)17:29
+MrHairgreasewe only have windows17:29
xdangerI think I'm done for today... now I'm going to outside in to the sunshine and have some beer ;) 17:30
+MrHairgreasenow that's a good idea17:30
xdangerIt's something like 21 degs. of celsius17:30
* MrHairgrease grabs a beer from the fridge17:30
+MrHairgreasehere it's about 25 or so17:30
+MrHairgreaseand very moist17:31
xdangernot a single cloud in the sky =)17:31
Trebbor123Well, I'm also going then. Enjoy the weather.17:31
xdangerI'm going to a bar's terrace... Not quite sure how that's correctly said in english =)17:31
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+crythiasnew release of webgui without announcemnent?21:43
fdillonnot that I'm aware21:44
fdillonbut I'm not aware of much when it comes to WG releases21:44
+crythiasok. it just wasn't on "news"21:59
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+crythiasI'm so far behind my upgrade path.22:34
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+crythiasI'm not able to upgrade.23:11
+crythiasstupid stupid grr23:12
+crythiasI"m stuck on 6.7.323:12
+crythiasstupid apacherequest probs23:12
+crythiasyou know it's really sick when the answer to your google question is your own post.23:22
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siriousjesadly, we lost the offer (wg frontend + java backend), eventhough it was at least 1/10th of the costs01:31
siriousjesometimes I just get mad when clients put off 'perl based' solutions as amateuristic01:33
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xdangersiriousje: I'we had the same problem...13:20
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+crythiaszelda twilight princess playing on wii.. live19:55
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luke___hi *01:15
luke___I´m not longer to lame to read BitchX.doc :-)01:15
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xdangerplayed around with 6.99 last night and have say it has potential ;)14:55
+MrHairgreaseno americams looking for webgui...14:55
+MrHairgreaseit has14:55
+MrHairgreaseit has eye candy =)14:55
xdangerthis is alarming: http://www.google.com/trends?q=goatse%2C+tubgirl&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all14:55
xdangerjeah, but I still don't like plainblacks design of the default layouts14:56
xdangerand thats what people look first...14:56
xdangerso we'll probably do our own default look14:56
+MrHairgreasei agree that the templates are still not nice14:57
+MrHairgreaseat least in my eyes14:57
+MrHairgreaseof course14:57
+MrHairgreasefinnish people are sick14:57
+MrHairgreaseor ass holes =)14:58
xdangerour design guy says something like it's gotten form a puke on the floor to a piss on the table... this doens't translate very well =)14:58
+MrHairgreasedepends how you interpret the google results =)14:58
xdangerin reference to 6.8<->6.9914:58
+MrHairgreaseyou mean the wg7 styles?14:58
xdangeryeah, he hates the 6.x style, but doesn't like the 7 styles either14:59
xdangersaid that they are improments, but that you couldnät to much worse that the 6.x styles =)14:59
+MrHairgreaseThey are to busy15:00
+MrHairgreasenot serene15:00
+MrHairgreasenot profi15:00
xdangeryeah, if you look at our design: http://tnnet.fi/ this is as crowded as it gets... normally http://rook.fi/15:01
xdangerthat his own pages =)15:02
xdangerwe really should do our own pages =D but we don't have the time15:02
+MrHairgreaseI'll go for the page with the chick on it =)15:02
+MrHairgreaseApart from the feminine touch it is also a lot brighter15:03
+MrHairgreasewhich is good15:03
xdangerbtw. runs on webgui ;)15:04
xdangerhere are some of my favorites: http://www.hmc.fi/ http://www.musicmonster.fi/ http://x-prophets.com/ http://www.pmmp.fi/15:05
+MrHairgreaseno time to look at them now15:05
xdangertnnet is our main partner, it's a local isp/hosting company... I'm going there to talk about moving their hosting to our comppany =)15:06
crythia2that's  a chick? heh...15:13
+MrHairgreaseYeah we actually have those in Europe15:16
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lenthamenhey martin18:32
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lenthamenMartin, the image upload functionality that Wouter wrote, is that also available for WebGUI 6.8 ?18:54
+MrHairgreaseWouter has one for 6.7.7 though18:55
+MrHairgreaseif you want he can mail it to you18:56
lenthamenhehe, that's exactly the version I'm running now :)18:56
lenthamenYes, please, please please :)18:56
+MrHairgreasewouter will mail it to you18:57
+MrHairgreasenot right now18:57
+MrHairgreasebut somewhere in the near future18:57
+MrHairgreaseor you can spam him =)18:57
lenthamenok, I'll mail him a reminder :)18:57
+MrHairgreasegood so =)18:58
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luke___hi everybody22:15
luke___do you have experience with svn ? :)22:19
+crythiasthat is, I've been able to successfully use other people's implementations.22:19
luke___and commandline svn ? :)22:20
luke___i want to commit a change but i´m too lame to RTFM22:20
+crythiaswell, not so much. I've used tortoise and rapid_svn22:20
luke___maybe i should use this too :-)22:20
+crythiaswhat os?22:20
luke___frontend: win - backend: linux22:20
+crythiasyeah. tortoise will help22:21
luke___thx :)22:21
+crythiasmight require reboot :(22:21
luke___wtf ?22:21
luke___win even22:21
luke___ok I´m rebooting...22:24
luke___ok letz check out22:26
luke___hm i dont have any context menu like tortoiseSVN22:28
+crythiasyou won't on a blank folder22:30
+crythiasthat's not right.22:30
luke___i created a folder22:30
+crythiasyou should see right-click svn22:30
luke___maybe my shit winxp6422:30
+crythiaswell, yeah, maybe?22:31
luke___right-click and I see no SVN22:31
luke___I hope this is outdated22:31
luke___ok it works22:32
luke___thx, nice tool22:44
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+crythias... and then she said, "I can't believe you've asked me to do that."17:31
+crythiasoh. :) Hi17:32
+crythiasoh. this isn't #gooeyweb17:32
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cheecheeowhat does the ^Extras macro expand to? and where can I upload and reference it in my style?20:21
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cheecheeohow can I upload and reference a new favicon in my style?07:19
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+perlDreameryo cheecheeo07:26
cheecheeoperlDreamer: hello07:26
+perlDreamerhow hackest thou tonight?07:26
+perlDreamerdid you get your uploads directory permissions fixed?07:27
cheecheeoperlDreamer: I'm doing okay, I talked bonyari about it and he played around with it, we haven't really had a problem with it, what I ended up doing was just adding the users through the admin console and removing anon user registration07:28
cheecheeoperlDreamer: you wouldn't happen to know much about favicon references and such would you?07:28
+perlDreamera little07:29
+perlDreamerdo mean the icon format or how to get webGUI to display one for you?07:30
cheecheeoperlDreamer: how to get one on to webgui and how to reference it in my template07:30
+perlDreamerlet's check the setup on a demo site07:31
+perlDreamerhead on over to demo.plainblack.com and set yourself up a demo07:31
+perlDreamerdouble checking something on sunset's site07:33
+perlDreamerthat's what I thought07:34
+perlDreameron 6.2.11 there's a favicon/site icon setting in the config settings07:34
+perlDreamerin 6.8 it looks like it's been removed07:35
+perlDreamerhere's the syntax for adding it to a page07:35
+perlDreamer<link rel="icon" href="/extras/favicon.png" type="image/png">07:35
+perlDreamer<link rel="SHORTCUT ICON" href="/extras/sunset.ico">07:35
+perlDreameryou'll want to add that to the style template07:35
+perlDreamerI think you may need both to hit both mozilla and IE, but I'm not sure07:36
cheecheeoso make a new directory in the root node and upload the favicon there?07:36
cheecheeoand then that reference in the style?07:36
+perlDreameror just add it to the import node07:36
+perlDreamercrythias: you awake?07:37
cheecheeothe extras directory?07:37
+perlDreameryou _could_ use the extras directory, but that would require shell access07:37
+perlDreamerI would just upload an Image Asset to the import node, and give it a nice url, like /favicon.png07:38
cheecheeoso, maybe this will help, what does the ^Extras macro expand to with respect to the directory/import nod hierarchy?07:38
+perlDreamerthey're not related at all07:39
+perlDreamerdoes that help?07:41
cheecheeoperlDreamer: yeah, I'm trying it on the demo site real quick07:42
+perlDreamerI don't remember the format of the ico file off the top of my head, but I think you can google for it pretty quickly07:42
cheecheeoso when I run wget sunsetpres.org/extras/favicon.png I get the default webgui icon, not sunset's07:44
+perlDreamerthat's why in certain interfaces you get the wG icon instead of Sunset's.07:45
+perlDreamerlike the admin interfaces07:45
+perlDreamertry grabbing the ico file07:45
cheecheeoyeah, still webgui's07:46
cheecheeohmm, in the URL field, do I get to choose my own URL for easy referencing in styles, etc?07:48
+perlDreamersunset.ico is our favicon file07:50
cheecheeoah, I got it now07:51
cheecheeoI'm also loving this mozex07:51
cheecheeoit was a little bit interesting to get installed and configured bit I love it, except that it only seems to edit the first text field on the page, not necessarily the one the cursor is blinking in07:53
+perlDreamerI haven't had any problems with it07:53
+perlDreamerdo you activate it via the hotkey or right click menu?07:54
cheecheeowell, I'm assuming it's some gentoo sillyness because it wouldn't let me install it the xpi/firefox way without root acess07:55
cheecheeoso I installed it as root and then it worked under my regular user07:56
+perlDreameryeah, that's weird07:57
cheecheeookay, thanks for the tips, I need to work on this OS now07:57
+perlDreamercatch you later07:58
cheecheeoyou too07:58
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sanyockHi Ppl!12:51
sanyockPlease suggest is there any way to avoid apache restart, may be an other method may be used12:51
sanyockIf it is due to pm modules loaded into memory precompiled/optimized, may be it is possible to turn such optimization off with lower performance12:52
xdangersomething like Apache::Reload ?12:55
sanyockI am just going to use general $5/month hosting to which I have SSH access to setup webgui12:56
sanyockI did previously with version 6.6.512:56
sanyockNow I read in forums an apache restart may be needed, not sure why12:56
xdangeraaa... Does this hosting offer mod_perl ?12:56
sanyockYes, mod_perl, MySQL 4.112:57
sanyockany missing modules will be installed12:57
sanyockWG 6.6.5 worked fine12:57
sanyockGoing to use latest gamma12:57
xdangerwhich version of mod_perl ?12:57
sanyockjust a moment12:58
sanyockApache version     1.3.34 (Unix)12:59
sanyockPERL version     5.8.712:59
sanyockI am not sure if above is mod_perl, but hosting stuff let me know that mod_perl is available12:59
xdangerI think that they support Apache::Registry, not the full mod_perl integration12:59
xdangeryeah, 6.8 requires mod_perl2 and apache212:59
sanyockServer name     rachel12:59
sanyock      WWW directory     /home/aulix/public_html12:59
sanyock      Root directory     /home/aulix12:59
sanyock      Path to PERL     /usr/bin/perl12:59
sanyock      Perl modules     Click to view12:59
sanyock      Path to sendmail     /usr/sbin/sendmail12:59
sanyock      Apache version     1.3.34 (Unix)12:59
sanyock      MySQL version     4.1.18-standard13:00
sanyock      PostgreSQL version13:00
sanyock      PHP version     4.3.1113:00
sanyock      PHP info     Click to view13:00
sanyock      PERL version     5.8.713:00
sanyock      Kernel version
sanyock      Machine Type     i68613:00
sanyock      cPanel version     10.8.2-RELEASE-8313:00
sanyock      cPanel Pro Version     1.0 (RC36)13:00
sanyockif I find a host with mod_perl2 and apache2, is apache restart still be required?13:01
sanyockIf I remember correct, when conf file was changed I needed restart13:01
* sanyock very currious about v7 release date13:02
sanyockjust looked into bug tracker, are the bugs only stoppers or more new features will be added before v7 release?13:03
xdangerthere are new features in 6.99 (kind of 7-beta version)13:05
sanyockWhen started to use webgui for our company site, found that header length was limited to 255 characters, is such limitation is still actual?13:11
sanyockfollowing change helped me to overcome the limitation, may be this can be useful for new version:13:12
sanyockmy $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 1255;13:12
sanyockmay be         $params->{maxlength}           can be updated somewhere13:23
sanyockit would be nice to have it in Settings panel13:23
xdangerI don't see that line in 6.8 or 6.9913:56
sanyockit was in 6.6.3 and 6.6.513:57
sanyock=head3 size13:58
sanyock 13:58
sanyockThe number of characters wide this form element should be. There should be no reason for anyone to specify this.13:58
sanyock 13:58
sanyock=head3 defaultValue13:58
sanyock 13:58
sanyockThis will be used if no value is specified.13:58
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sanyock 13:58
sanyocksub text {13:58
sanyock     my $params = shift;13:58
sanyock        my $value = _fixSpecialCharacters($params->{value}||$params->{defaultValue});13:58
sanyock     $value = _fixQuotes($value);13:58
sanyock     $value = _fixMacros($value);13:58
sanyock        my $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 255;13:58
sanyock        my $size = $params->{size} || $session{setting}{textBoxSize} || 30;13:58
sanyock        return '<input type="text" name="'.$params->{name}.'" value="'.$value.'" size="'.13:58
sanyock                $size.'" maxlength="'.$maxLength.'" '.$params->{extras}.' />';13:58
sanyock 13:58
sanyockI changed 255 to 125513:59
sanyocknow able to use wide Titles13:59
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luke___hi martin17:27
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luke___hi pbmdawg17:28
luke___I´m trying to get the commerce running, but it´s always kills my apache...:(17:28
luke___what could it be ?17:29
+MrHairgreasewhen i made it it didn't kill anything17:29
@pbmdawgwhat shipping/payment plugins do you have enabled17:29
+MrHairgreasebut there were changes the last few weeks17:29
@pbmdawgand what commerce settings have you enabled17:29
@pbmdawgall the changes were done by me17:30
@pbmdawgI had to add in a few hooks17:30
luke___I got an testaccount from jt17:30
luke___I´m enabled me in firewall17:30
+MrHairgreaseon 6.8.x?17:30
luke___but i´m not using ssl17:30
+MrHairgreasethe changes were in 6.9917:30
+MrHairgreasewell the plugin talks to itransact thru ssl17:31
+MrHairgreaseso it doen't matter if you use it on your site or not17:31
+MrHairgreaseit uses lwp::useragent17:31
luke___lwp must compiled with ssl support ?17:31
+MrHairgreaseIn what way does it kill apache17:31
luke___the apache thread grows and grows17:31
+MrHairgreaseeat mem?17:31
+MrHairgreaseor cpu?17:31
+MrHairgreasenever saw that behaviour17:32
luke___I´m thing both, whats the best way to check it ?17:32
+MrHairgreasewithout the plugin enabled...17:33
+MrHairgreasedoes it grow?17:33
luke___just grows after checkout17:33
luke___and i couldn´t checkout without plugin17:34
+MrHairgreasethere are not many that can =)17:34
+MrHairgreaseI can look into tonight for a bit.17:34
+MrHairgreaseBut I don't think I'll find something17:34
+MrHairgreaseIt must be something leaking sopewhere17:35
luke___yes I will debug this too a little bit17:35
+MrHairgreasedoes pb also has this problem17:35
@pbmdawgdon't know17:35
+MrHairgreaseIt could be a cyclic ref or something17:35
luke___uptime after send: 16:35:06 up 20 days,  7:47,  3 users,  load average: 0.31, 0.07, 0.0217:35
luke___ 2512 daemon    19   0  845m 762m  13m R 36.7 76.6   0:07.66 httpd17:36
luke___ 2512 daemon    25   0 1376m 800m  13m D 60.1 80.3   0:11.84 httpd17:36
+MrHairgreasenow I;m not an expert17:37
+MrHairgreasebut these values seem pretty large17:37
luke___ 16:37:02 up 20 days,  7:49,  3 users,  load average: 3.01, 1.07, 0.3817:37
+MrHairgreasehow do you restart apache?17:37
+MrHairgreasehttpd -k stop; httpd -k start?17:38
+MrHairgreaseor httpd -k restart17:38
luke___start & stop17:38
+MrHairgreasethat's teh way you should do it17:38
+MrHairgreaserestart will leak mem17:38
+MrHairgreasegotta go to the grocery store17:39
luke___it´s a ssl problem I´m think17:39
+MrHairgreasein an hour or so17:39
+MrHairgreasemaybe eralier17:39
luke___ok thx17:39
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@pbmdawgluke; do you have outbound 443 open?17:50
luke___I should install all ssl libs17:53
luke___before I install the libs I want to find the leak and fix it or handle it better17:55
@pbmdawgit's in LWP, I'm sure...17:56
luke___yes, missing ssl support or something like this17:57
luke___I´m installed the LWP Debian Package17:59
@pbmdawgare you using the wre18:03
@pbmdawgthen installing debian packages might help you :)18:03
luke___Readme.ssl in libwww:18:04
luke___Encryption support is obtained through the use of Crypt::SSLeay or18:04
luke___IO::Socket::SSL, which can both be found from CPAN.18:04
luke___maybe one of it should checked in testEnviroment18:05
@pbmdawggood idea18:06
@pbmdawglooks like ssleay is updated more often18:07
luke___should I add this ?18:08
luke___strike, commerce is running :-)18:11
luke___thx :)18:11
@pbmdawgchansen you there?18:12
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deymoshi there.. i've found the info about this irc channel on plainblack.com... i'm just in the process of making another webgui site...18:27
deymosanyone here alive and kicking? ;)18:28
@pbmdawgI am18:28
deymosnice ;) it says sysadmin next to your nick, so are you working on webgui or are you just the user?18:29
deymosgood, cause i've found a bug ;)18:30
deymoswhich part are you working on?18:32
@pbmdawgwhich version18:32
@pbmdawgall of it18:32
deymosthe latest gamma...18:32
@pbmdawgoh okay18:32
deymospage.isSibling is not workin18:32
@pbmdawgwhat's the bug18:32
deymosi've Checked the Navigation.pm...18:32
@pbmdawgit might have been removed, but not removed from the documentation18:32
deymosand it seems one of the conditions is that the page.isTopBranch18:33
deymosit's not removed. just the conditions in Navigation.pm are wrong.18:33
deymosi've fixed it for me and it's working now, but it's just a hack18:33
deymosi was trying to do nav menu with the template and realised it was buggy...18:34
deymosthe site is at www.contel.hr/2007 btw18:34
@pbmdawgput the code diff on SF18:34
deymosi'm not sure that the way i did it is the proper way to do it18:34
deymosi spoke to JT some time ago, i wanted to open Croatian W3 site, but don't have time to do it... i've even registered the webgui.com.hr domain...18:37
@pbmdawgsite looks nice18:38
deymosit's the best cms i've used. mambo is shit compared to webgui ;)18:38
deymosthe template is from oswd.org...18:38
deymosand we'll go online with it tomorrow, so the content is in the making18:38
deymosi have another site running on webgui.. www.hr...18:38
deymosmost iof the site... not the directory though18:39
@pbmdawgready to make a translation for wg7 ?18:39
deymosi did the translation for 5.5 ...18:40
deymosbut never finished.18:40
deymosoops... didn't understand what you asked ;)18:40
deymosabout the translation18:40
@pbmdawgthat's what I asked18:41
@pbmdawgtranslating to whatever your language is18:41
deymosoh, then i got it right... croatian...18:41
deymosif i only had more time...18:41
@pbmdawgI have to run... be back in a few hours18:42
deymosok... bye18:42
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nbcccorpHey, anyone out there had any experience, good or bad, with Skype?21:25
+MrHairgreasenot me anyway21:26
nbcccorpoh well. It looks really cool and I was just wondering. It's easy enough to look around the net for people who have, I just thought I would start here since I've never been given bad WebGUI info here.21:27
@pbmdawgskype is pretty good. :21:33
@pbmdawgas for interfacing with POTS, Skype-In is good.  Skype-Out is *okay*21:33
nbcccorpWhat do you mean by *okay*?21:39
@pbmdawgthe first day or two I used it21:41
@pbmdawgthe quality of the audio was bad21:41
@pbmdawgbut since then, it's been fine21:41
nbcccorpany dropped calls? garbage calls? ever have any privacy concerns with them?21:42
nbcccorprather: ever HEAR OF any privacy concerns with them?21:42
@pbmdawgskype-skype is perfect21:53
@pbmdawgI was talking about skype-POTS21:53
@pbmdawgand yeah, occasional dropped calls with skype-POTS21:53
nbcccorphow is their support? ever had to use it?22:01
@pbmdawgwhat types of services of theirs are you thinking of using22:05
nbcccorpSorry, I was in a full screen rc window and didn't see this.22:35
nbcccorpI am looking at using them for home phone services. I can't seem to keep a decent connection with Cingular in my house and need to have reliable phone service in order to do tech supp.22:36
nbcccorpI am looking at the whole range of services + international numbers for my clients in London to use.22:37
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+crythias... and then she said, "rub her? I hardly even know her!"23:08
xdangerwasn't it 6.99rc0 ?23:09
@pbmdawgyeah, that too23:09
@pbmdawgrelease candidate 023:09
+crythiasyeahbut, rc? I mean, that's pretty um.. bold, no?23:10
@pbmdawgthere's really not much different from 6.8.1023:10
@pbmdawgjust a bunch of new stuff23:10
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+crythias"I'm not a strict vegetarian, 'cause I eat beef. and pork. and chicken. semi-veg"23:12
+crythiasbtw... what happened with the 6.8.9 release? why wasn't it "announced"23:13
@pbmdawgbetter question23:13
@pbmdawgwhy is the svn diff for that version blocked23:13
+crythiasneed to lay the smackdown on ROy23:13
@pbmdawghe didn't do that release23:13
xdangerpbmdawg: how about the internal redirect testing ? I can do it maybe next week, or at least the next...23:15
+crythiasnot certain like my computer.23:15
+crythiasmaybe I need to convert my filesystem, 'cause the fat32 is mucking up bunches23:15
@pbmdawgI haven't looked at it23:16
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+crythia1did you see my new rfe?23:17
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+crythia1yeah, 681023:49
+crythia1who will be testing this? would you be upgrading your hosting?23:50
@pbmdawgtiny security changes only23:50
+crythia1no 6.99.023:52
@pbmdawgplainblack.com will have it, I think23:52
+crythia1converting... afn23:53
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luke___WebGUI 6.9.9rc0 release in 29 minutes23:59
luke___really ?23:59
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luke___what´s about the ssleay should I add this to svn ?00:01
luke___or should I open a bug ?00:01
luke___or send a mail to discussion00:01
Deymoswill page.isSibling be fixed in this release ;)00:01
@pbmdawgno; it's just an rc that probably 0 people will download00:01
@pbmdawgoh wait; postponed till later this week00:02
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xdangerwhy are some pages in svn::Wev unviewable? like https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/revision/?rev=214100:29
xdangermostly everyone that i've noticed are about 6.8 branch00:30
@pbmdawgI'm not sure00:45
@pbmdawgpossibly they are blocked for security-by-obscurity reasons00:46
@pbmdawggtg; l8r00:46
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+crythias... and then I said, "yes, but why would I need WD40?"21:47
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@pbmdawghowdy Martin16:57
+MrHairgreasehowdy pardner17:01
+MrHairgreasewhat is up?17:01
+MrHairgreaseoh ok17:18
xdangerdamn... I really think that Event calendar's "start from Now!" doesn't work18:16
@pbmdawgwhich version18:16
+MrHairgreaseWouter did a lot of evc fixes18:17
@pbmdawgyes, EC is totally broken in 6.818:17
+MrHairgreasein 6.9918:17
+MrHairgreaseI broken as hell in in 6.18:17
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+crythiasreply count doesn't work22:59
+crythias... and then she said, "I keep moving it up and down and it still doesn't help. The water just overflows the bowl, and the plunger isn't doing a darn thing!"23:00
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* MrHairgrease tests if his connection is still up00:03
* MrHairgrease cries in joy00:03
+MrHairgreaseStill sucks though that port 80 is blocked somehow....00:04
+crythiasdo what?00:04
+MrHairgreaseI'm typing...00:05
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+crythiasport 80 blocked on a machine you control?00:05
+MrHairgreasethat would be stupid00:05
+MrHairgreaseI dunno who fucked up00:06
+MrHairgreasebut I can't even get a webpage of the local server here00:06
+MrHairgreaseIt's *not* my fault though00:06
+MrHairgreaseit never is =)00:06
+MrHairgreaseI'd rather blame Koen00:07
+MrHairgreaseSo are you guys pleased with 6.9900:07
+crythiasI don't like the forum stuff00:08
+MrHairgreasewhat's wrong with it?00:08
+crythias"Back to site"?00:09
+MrHairgreaseback to site?00:09
+crythiassubmit a post and it says, "waiting for approval. click the link: back to site"00:10
+MrHairgreaseoh ok00:10
+MrHairgreaseit's softawre after all00:11
+MrHairgreasewho has the ip for startrek.com?00:11
+crythiassomehow, it started off REALLY slow, as well on plainblack.com00:11
+MrHairgreasemy svn thingy is pretty fast00:11
+MrHairgreaseeven in admin mode00:11
+MrHairgreasethe dns is down00:12
+MrHairgreasestupid frickin university00:12
+crythiasok. here we go. I clcik pb.com/discuss/mods...00:12
+MrHairgreaseor should I say stupid fricking student built networks =)00:12
+MrHairgreaseI can't follow you00:13
+crythiasnow it's up00:13
+MrHairgreasemy dns is down remember00:13
+crythiasright, but I'm talking about my experience with plainblack.com00:13
+crythias21 seconds to load a message board is insane.00:13
+MrHairgreasethat's definately not good00:14
+MrHairgreaseso maybe you should click faster =)00:14
+crythiasclicking Etcetera. now00:14
+crythiasup now...00:14
+MrHairgreasenot too good00:15
+crythiasand it's not counting replies properly00:15
+crythiasCommunity: We need your help  JT  51 0 000:15
+crythias51: views 0 replies00:15
+MrHairgreaseI'd worry much more about the performance00:15
+crythiasI gotta head home. ttyl00:17
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luke___hi roy00:56
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@snapcountI maketh your windows blink05:43
@snapcountping ping05:44
+perlDreamergreetings, E-ROD05:45
+perlDreamerwhat's up?05:45
@snapcountso I'm writing a paypal plugin05:45
@snapcount(the world rejoices)05:45
+perlDreameris this a for-fun or for-pay project?05:45
@snapcountI've grown very familiar with commerce05:46
@snapcountanywho paypal makes it very easy05:46
@snapcountproblem is the wG commerce system makes it kinda hard05:46
@snapcountI want to put this in user contribs as a payment plug-in05:47
@snapcountthen JT is going to put in core for 7.105:47
@snapcountproblem though05:47
+perlDreamerwhat is it?05:47
@snapcountI can't make it work w/o modifying Operation/Commerce05:47
+perlDreamerThat's a problem05:47
@snapcountthat's not a plugin05:48
@snapcountthat breaks upgrades05:48
+perlDreamerwhat do you need to modify it for?05:48
@snapcountbecause I need to return template vars from one of the operations05:48
@snapcountthat isn't there05:48
@snapcountbasically you redirect users to paypal05:48
@snapcountbut you post a bunch of form vars when you do05:48
@snapcountbasically all the crap they bought05:49
@snapcountand who the vendor is05:49
+perlDreameris that required?05:49
@snapcountwhich url they go to when they're done05:49
@snapcountfor basic paypal yeah05:49
+crythia1that's basic paypal.05:49
@snapcountotherwise we have another ITransact plugin05:49
@snapcountwhich isn't useful to the masses05:49
@snapcountb/c you have to be approved for a merchant acct to use it05:50
+perlDreamerI see05:50
+crythia1Are you saying you're having trouble sending info to the paypal thing?05:50
@snapcountsort of05:50
+perlDreamerno he's saying he can't do it without hacking the core05:50
+perlDreamerwhich operation do you need to modify?05:50
+perlDreamerwhich sub in the operation?05:51
+crythia1Colin: Yeah, I know he's talking about hacking the core.05:51
@snapcountI don't want to do that05:51
@snapcountI can do it for 7.1 no problem05:51
@snapcountbut I wanted to release something people can use now05:51
+crythia1people can always link to paypal's per-item thingiy05:52
@snapcountthe only other way...05:52
@snapcountbut that kind of sucks05:52
@snapcountyou have to pay for each item one at a time05:52
+perlDreamerso do you know of another way?05:52
@snapcountwell I don't know how to implement it05:52
@snapcountbut I have an idear05:52
+perlDreamerwhat is it?05:52
+perlDreamerdo tell05:52
@snapcountthe payment plugin executes a method called normalTransaction during the checkout process05:53
@snapcountit's supposed to talk to the payment gateway05:53
@snapcountif there were a way to post the form vars from that method05:53
@snapcountand redirect them05:53
@snapcount(at the same time)05:53
@snapcountI could make it work05:53
+perlDreamerI have two ideas05:54
+perlDreamer1) You should be able to do with with a ton of javascript05:54
* snapcount is a JS retard05:54
@snapcountbut I could learn I guess05:54
+perlDreamer2) This is much, much more evil05:54
+perlDreamerat the end of checkoutConfirm, it calls a template05:54
+perlDreamerhow about if you write a new template handler which does your magic for you05:55
@snapcounta new template handler?05:55
+perlDreamerinstead of HTML::Template, or Template::Toolkit05:55
+perlDreameryou just wrap them in something that does your transaction05:55
@snapcountnow that's outside the box05:55
+perlDreamerand then returns them to a sane page05:55
+perlDreamerI told you it was evil05:55
@snapcountso evil it's cool05:56
+crythia1why not have spectre do it...05:56
+perlDreamerthere's no hook into spectre at that point, crythias05:56
+perlDreamerthere could be, though05:56
+perlDreamerbut it would be another API level change05:56
+crythia1I dunno. it seems payments should be async anyway.05:56
+perlDreamerI agree05:56
+perlDreamerbut they're not now05:56
+perlDreamerClancy Brown rocks as the Kernigan05:56
+crythia1seems perfect for what spectre was supposed to do.05:56
+perlDreamerbut there's no hook in the Commerce system for spectre05:57
+crythia1workflow FTW05:57
@snapcountJT has a morbid fear of Commerce for some reason05:57
@snapcounthe avoids that code as much as possible05:57
+crythia1'cause if you get it wrong, it's lost money, sales, etc.05:57
@snapcountget what wrong?05:58
+perlDreamerit needs a test suite05:58
@snapcountyeah that would be cool05:58
+crythia1are you doing webpayments pro or standard for paypal?05:58
@snapcountstandard for now05:58
@snapcountalthough pro would be easier05:58
+crythia1Seems like.05:59
@snapcountbut standard could be used by anyone05:59
@snapcountwith a paypal account05:59
@snapcountwithout paying monthly fees, submiting dna, etc05:59
+crythia1pro by anyone, and it's seemless to the site05:59
@snapcountthey have to go through an approval process06:00
@snapcountcredit check06:00
@snapcountbasically they are being approved as a merchant06:00
+crythia1well, do you want to use "Additional Payment Option" instead of paypal Website Payments?06:00
@snapcountof course06:00
@snapcounteveryone has a credit card06:00
+crythia1who is the everyone? hoster or customer?06:01
@snapcountstandard is nice because the merchant never handles cc#'s and other sensitive data06:01
@snapcountso they don't care who uses it06:01
@snapcounteveryone == customers06:01
@snapcountwith pro... you receive the payment details directly06:02
@snapcountso they are more picky06:02
+perlDreamerdid you see that the form upload bug is popping up again?06:02
@snapcountperlDreamer: wonderful06:02
@snapcountso this express checkout is the same as standard06:04
@snapcountbut uses an API06:04
+perlDreameroh, you can also do it in the shipping method06:05
+perlDreameror the payment gateway06:05
+perlDreamersince they call load, there's probably an eval in there06:06
+perlDreamerand then you can do anything06:06
@snapcountthis is interesting06:06
@snapcountthere is a cpan module for paypal also06:06
+perlDreamerbut I think the template hack is best06:07
+perlDreamersince it does all the hard work for you06:07
+crythia1heh php06:08
+crythia1ahh yeah...06:08
@snapcountI wonder how hard it is to write a template parser plugin06:08
@snapcountis it just a sub that gets the template contents?06:09
+perlDreamerthe basic one is about 80 lines long06:10
+perlDreamerincluding whitespace and comments06:10
+perlDreamercheck out Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate06:10
@snapcountcheck that out06:11
+perlDreamerseems very complete06:12
+perlDreamertoo bad they make you redirect via them instead of working via pure services06:12
@snapcountthey do that to keep the credit card info out of your hands06:13
+perlDreamercould you proxy their page?06:13
@snapcounttheir pro stuff does use pure services06:13
@snapcountthat's probably not legal06:13
@snapcountbut maybe06:14
+perlDreamerwell, I think there's enough entry points to crowbar the system into doing what you want06:14
@snapcountI think this express checkout is the cleanest way06:15
+perlDreamerI meant the checkoutConfirm sub06:15
+perlDreamerit's definitely hackable06:15
+perlDreamernot in the intruder sense06:16
@snapcountthe template parser would be easiest06:16
+perlDreamerand least likely to get you whacked06:16
@snapcountbut it's a hack for sure06:16
+perlDreamerhow are classes?06:16
@snapcountthis express checkout would keep everything in the payment plug-in though06:16
@snapcountclasses are done for Spring06:17
@snapcountI'm taking one class this summer06:17
@snapcount(first session)06:17
@snapcountit's pretty cool06:17
@snapcountPhysics/Chemistry/Astronomy Introduction for Business Retards 10106:17
+perlDreamerI have a new appreciation for what you're doing06:18
+perlDreamerKathy started college again06:18
+perlDreamerso she's been studying a lot06:18
+perlDreamerof course, she also dissects spines and eyeballs06:18
+perlDreamerso I try to mind my P's and Q's around her06:18
+crythia1Roy: JT asked about cut-paste job for RFEs on the boards. I responded to him, but didn't get a response.06:18
@snapcountI got to dissect a sheep heart06:19
@snapcountand a big ass worm06:19
@snapcountcrythia1: what?06:19
@snapcountcut-paste job?06:19
+crythia1would be ncie if boards didn't take 15 seconds to load06:20
+perlDreamerha ha ha06:20
+perlDreamerI'm invincible!06:20
+perlDreamerI rewrote the group membership code and injected a bug06:21
+perlDreamerVrby found the bug06:21
@snapcountgo vrby!06:21
@snapcountso you want me to go to that link crythias?06:21
+perlDreamerso I fixed it today, but didn't test all the possible methods for group inclusion/exclusion06:21
+perlDreamerso I just finished the tests, and the fix is pretty robust06:21
+crythia1sure. or :06:22
+crythia1In the next couple of days we're going to be setting up a new feature requests system right here on this site instead of the one on source forge. This new system will allow you to help rank the features so we know what features you want to see first. We're looking for someone who's willing to do the copy paste job to get all of the current feature requests moved over to the new system. In return we'll give you a whole pile of points w06:22
+perlDreamertesting totally rocks06:22
+crythia1:) yay, testing!06:22
+perlDreamerare you coming to my class at the WUC?06:23
+crythia1I'm not sure I'm going to be going.06:23
+perlDreamerdude, you gotta come06:23
+crythia1I'd love to go, but I may have a significant life change at the same time. And yes, I gotta go.06:24
+perlDreamerlife change?06:24
+perlDreamermore kids?06:24
+crythia1might move. maybe.06:24
+perlDreamerthat's pretty significant06:24
@snapcountyeah you have to come06:24
@snapcountmove to Vegas06:24
@snapcountthen it will be cheap06:25
@snapcountapparently I'm not an admin either06:25
@snapcountjust  for some stuff06:25
+perlDreamerwith the group stuff broken, they weren't able to get some stuff working06:25
@snapcountso are you guys coming to the pow-wow tommorow?06:26
@snapcountI hope people show up =)06:26
+crythia1I'm going to try.06:26
+perlDreamerI have a lunch date with a 7 year old06:26
+perlDreamernot going to be there06:26
@snapcountis luke___ Luke Bartholemy?06:27
+perlDreamerthat's what his info says06:27
@snapcounthe's our next PBWG06:28
@snapcountI just have to post all the stuff06:28
@snapcountso I need to +v him06:28
@snapcountthis paypal module has tests included06:35
@snapcounteh... but this kinda sucks06:36
@snapcountBecause I haven't figured out how to make SOAP::Lite read the WSDL definitions directly and simply implement those (help, anyone?), I have essentially recreated all of those WSDL structures internally in this module.06:36
@snapcountIf PayPal changes their API (adds, removes, or changes parameters), this module *may stop working*. I do not know if PayPal will preserve backward compatibility. That said, you can help me keep this module up-to-date if you notice such an event occuring.06:36
@snapcountthat's poo poo06:37
+perlDreameryeah, but that's the way with any service API06:38
@snapcountok... well I think this is the way to go06:44
@snapcountbut now it's time for bed06:44
@snapcountI will talk to you guys later06:44
@snapcountthanks for pointing this out crythia106:45
+perlDreamerare you back on IRC semi-regularly?06:45
@snapcountgonna try yeah06:45
+perlDreamercool, I'll hang here more often, too then06:45
@snapcountI'll make it part of my daily routine06:45
@snapcountto sign on  here06:45
@snapcountthings are no longer crazy06:46
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luke___hi pbmdawg16:32
@pbmdawgwhat's up16:39
greghackeevent management :-)16:40
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luke___hi roy16:50
@snapcounthey luke17:08
@snapcountyour pic is on webgui.org now!17:12
@snapcountand your interview17:12
@snapcountI'm writing the press releases now17:12
@snapcountalso luke___17:18
@snapcountis your nick registered with Freenode?17:19
luke___i hope17:20
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@snapcountI couldn't connect to pb.com so I was like uhhh..17:49
@snapcountbut JT is upgrading17:49
greghackeyep - to 6.99.117:49
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julieddesc Julie A. Duncan19:23
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@rizenis luke_____ the same as lucas bartholmey (sorry about the misspelling)19:27
@rizenis anyone actually here?19:28
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+luke___hi jt19:33
@rizenit must be about 9pm there, am I right?19:35
@rizenwell, 8:30pm19:36
+luke___in germany ?19:36
@rizenaka 20:3019:36
@rizenwow..i was way off19:36
xdanger19:35 in finland =)19:36
@rizeni guess i was putting you in turkey or something19:36
xdangerI'm wondering that time is there =)19:36
@rizeni mean a turkish timezoen19:36
@rizennot the country19:37
@pbmdawgyeehaw - only 1 request per pageview on plainblack.com now.  (used to be 10-100, depending on admin mode).19:37
xdangerActually finland is in the same zone that turkey =)19:37
@rizenmatt: is that due to the headers thing you came up with for the wre?19:37
@pbmdawgnot entirely... some is due to snippet caching19:37
@rizenalright, so i suck on my timezones19:37
xdangerso how long until the gathering?19:37
@rizen2.5 hours19:38
@rizenthat is, if anyone even shows up19:38
+luke___what for edges you mean ? bugs or ...19:39
xdangerso that's like 10pm in here19:39
@rizenxdanger: if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be other sessions19:40
@rizeni'm planning at least two more19:40
xdangermy "usability/graphics" expert can't make it, he has a funeral tommorw...19:40
@pbmdawgrizen - 0 sub-requests if the /home link is clicked.19:40
@pbmdawg5 sub-requests if the reload button is pressed (css snippets refetched)19:40
@pbmdawg29 sub-requests if a Shift-Reload is done (everything refetched - JS/images/css)19:40
xdangerhe has critisized some factors of admin interface and I would really like you to hear his input on the matter..19:41
@rizenmatt: nice19:43
@rizenwe're getting better19:43
@rizenif i wasn't running some big background processes on plainblack.com right now it would be really super fast19:43
@pbmdawgdemo sites upgrading?19:43
@rizenyou should have seen it this morning after the upgrade when nothing else was running19:43
@rizenrunning the search indexer19:43
@rizenit's indexing all 36,000 assets19:43
@rizenon plainblack.com19:43
@pbmdawghave you created pop accounts for the various CSes yet?19:44
@rizeni'm not entirely sure that I'm going to19:44
@rizenat least not for all of them19:44
@rizenhaven't decided yet19:44
@pbmdawgI can't wait to reply to support posts via email :)19:45
@pbmdawgthat'll be fun19:45
@pbmdawgif I had a blackberry....19:45
@rizenthat one will be set up in the next few minutes19:46
@pbmdawgplainblack.com is slow now19:47
xdangerI'm really looking forward for the Project managment and time tracking assets =)19:48
xdangeronce they get "stable"19:48
xdangerOnly waiting for crm, and that would be all that I really need =D19:49
xdangerwe'll intergration to a calendar, maybe...19:49
xdangerrizen: maybe you should have said 21 CET, since I belive that we europeans all use 24h times... (not sure)19:52
@rizenmaybe you should post a reply19:52
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@pbmdawgHEY gerald19:58
@pbmdawgHOW's it GOING19:58
+crythiasum. cool, I guess.19:58
+crythiasJT: what is the status on the RFE post you posted?20:00
xdangerrizen: btw. is there anyone doing the benchmarking for the internal redirects?20:00
@pbmdawgxdanger: no20:01
@rizengerald: i haven't even looked at it yet20:02
@rizenjust noticed your reply today20:02
@rizenwill probably work on it this afternoon20:02
@pbmdawgbb in 2 hours20:02
xdangerI could do the test tomorrow or the next... just don't now any other benchmarks than the ab for this =)20:04
@rizenthere are two types of benchmarks that i use20:05
@rizenab is certainly one20:05
@rizenbut i also like to use Time::HiRes20:05
@rizenlaced in the code20:05
@rizenwith $session->errorHandler->warn()20:05
@rizencuz then i can get a good idea20:05
@rizenof not only the whole overall performance20:06
@rizenbut the individual steps along the way20:06
xdangerok, that's what I have used also...20:07
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+crythiaswhat is left to discuss?20:10
+crythiassome of the stuff I'm assuming? is noted and fixed... like slow discussion boards?20:11
@rizenwe haven't even begun yet20:12
@rizenand i'd prefer not to begin talking about rough edges until 2pm20:12
@rizenso everyone can participate20:12
@rizenbut if you have other things you'd like to talk about20:12
@rizenlet's hear them20:13
+crythias2pm is two hours for you?20:13
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@rizenwelcome erik20:21
@rizenjust so you know20:22
@rizenyou're a bit early20:22
@rizen1.5 hours yet20:22
@rizenbefore we begin20:22
Cantona_in_sweyeah - I just wanted to see if I was at the right place =)20:23
Cantona_in_sweBug in th newest release? I noticed that the lock ability has been broken and it worked in .0 release20:25
Cantona_in_sweBTW - I really like the way the "lock" has been implemented20:25
@rizenworks for me20:26
@rizeni just did it on demo.plainblack.com20:26
@rizenplease keep in mind20:26
@rizenthat when you lock it20:26
@rizenit doesn't show up locked for you20:26
@rizenonly for the other users20:26
@rizennot in your version tag20:26
Cantona_in_swethough I would like a smooth unlock (if entitled). As it is now I need to go to admin->versions. An "unlock" icon would be cool and a way to release the lock20:26
@rizeni'm glad to hear that you like the lock20:27
@rizenthe problem with that is that you can't unlock20:27
@rizenyou either have to rollback the changes you've made20:27
@rizenor you have to commit them20:27
@rizenlock is really just an empty revision20:27
Cantona_in_swemaybe a "quick commit"20:27
@rizenthere is a quick committ20:27
@rizenlook in your admin bar20:28
@rizenafter creating the lock20:28
@rizenyou'll see a "version tags" tab20:28
@rizenwith a "commit my changes" link20:28
xdangerthat's a great new feature btw ;)20:28
* snapcount stretches20:28
xdangerand that the adminbar doesn't show clipboard and packages if there are none ;)20:29
@rizento save screen realestate more than anything20:29
greghackeI miss anything cool?20:30
@snapcountI stretched =)20:30
xdangerbut, we usually give the admin bar a fixed position so that you don't have to see it floating with you when you scroll...20:30
xdangerdon't now the real term for it, not a css guy =)20:30
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xdangerbut so that it stays in sight even when yous scroll with out the "delay"20:31
greghackeposition: fixed20:31
greghackeproblem is, IE doesn't do well with fixed20:31
xdangercould be =)20:31
xdangeryeah, ie suxor major20:31
xdangerwe'll I'll be of to buy some beer and cat food =P20:32
greghackeor position: static  ie has trouble with both and opera isn't fond of static20:32
Cantona_in_sweI leave for a while - need to get some food :-)20:35
@rizensee you in a bit20:35
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@rizenoh how i hate xml21:35
@rizenlet me count the ways i hate it21:35
@rizen1) it's bloated21:35
@rizen2) it's overly complex21:35
@rizen3) most people that design schemas don't know what an egg carton is, let alone what it has to do with eggs21:35
@rizen4) it's not pretty to read21:36
@rizen5) it's slow to parse21:36
@rizen6) cdata sections are messy21:36
@rizen7) the only thing worse than xml schema is xml dtd21:36
@pbmdawgcan anyone here read Swedish?21:36
@rizen8) matt probably likes xml21:37
* pbmdawg barfs21:37
@rizen9) did i mention how fat it is, it's like like matt's mom, it needs it's own zip code21:37
greghackeso who is everyone?21:37
@rizenanybody more more matt's mom jokes?21:37
@rizenvery much like yo mamma jokes, but all about matt's mom21:38
@pbmdawgmy mom surrendered her windows pc to a botnet the other day.  her aol account sent out 600 messages on Sunday before it was shut down by AOL21:38
@pbmdawg(not joking)21:38
greghackeyou are mean.  letting your mother use AOL21:39
@rizenwas that on mother's day?21:39
@pbmdawgshe's getting a mac mini as soon as I get home next week21:39
@rizenwas it the mothers day attack21:39
@pbmdawgdon't know21:39
@rizeni'm just making that up21:39
* pbmdawg prepares a bugfix release of WebGUI Virtual Dev Environment21:40
+crythias"you've got spam"21:41
@pbmdawgfirst release did not have mac address hardcoded21:41
@pbmdawgand the centos iso in the cdrom21:41
@pbmdawgthanks to greg for testing21:41
@pbmdawgand it was missing dev.localhost.localdomain from the hosts file21:42
@pbmdawgso spectre wouldn't start21:42
@snapcountXML rulez21:42
+crythiasI was watching this lady going 35 in a 45 zone. cell phone in one hand, cigarette in another. My wife said, "that's really dangerous." I said, "I know, she's going to get brain cancer and lung cancer"21:43
@rizensomeone please fire roy21:44
+crythiasso, JT: why is xml so bad? It's great for perl processing to csv...21:44
* pbmdawg fires Roy21:44
+crythiasI could do it in awk in like no time.21:44
@rizenyou could do what in awk?21:45
@rizenfire roy?>21:45
+crythiasconvert xml to csv21:45
* pbmdawg rotfl21:45
@snapcountnever been fired with awk before21:46
+crythiasthat'd be awk-ward21:46
* snapcount kicks crythias21:46
@rizen10) xml is very easily corrupted21:46
* pbmdawg klines crythias21:46
@rizen11) XML::Simple can't parse the XML feed from sf21:46
* crythias pays xml a lil bit unda da table.21:46
@snapcountisn't that like an oxymoron21:47
@pbmdawgcan anyone/anything parse anything from sf?21:47
+crythiasI could.21:47
+crythiasnobody asked me, I know.21:47
@snapcountthe NSA probably has a few machines lying around that could do it21:47
greghackehaving worked at NSA, don't be so sure about that...21:48
@snapcountwhoa... math geek?21:48
@pbmdawggreghacke - as far as you needed to know.21:48
@rizen12) XML is a bad idea in most places, and a horrible idea everywhere else21:48
greghackeintel analyst and linguist for CT21:48
@snapcountfor Conneticut?21:49
@snapcountdon't they speak English =P21:49
greghackeCounter-Terrorism ;)21:49
@pbmdawgcounter terrorism... don't you watch 2421:49
@snapcountas a 24 fan... I should know that21:49
@snapcountJT you can't continue complaining unless you start numbering your gripes in binary21:50
@rizenshall i start enumerating the reasons that binary sucks as well21:51
greghackebut you are only alotted two reasons binary sucks...21:51
+crythias10 reasons that binary sucks:21:51
@snapcountthere you go21:52
+crythias0 gotta start with 021:52
+crythias1 can't count higher than 121:52
@pbmdawgsince we're talking about rough edges in wG7 in 9 minutes21:53
@rizen0 hex is more efficient21:53
@pbmdawghow about some not-so-rough edges?21:53
@rizen1 stack overflow21:53
@pbmdawg(until then)21:53
@rizenthat sounds like another one of your construed fine lines21:54
+crythiasIf at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you.21:54
@pbmdawgfishing for compliments on wG7 with that last missive21:54
+crythiasooh.. it's kinda prettier :)21:55
@pbmdawgthe default style actually looks decent in IE!21:55
@rizensomeone pull geralds toenails out with a rusty pair of pliers please21:56
+crythiasyeah. kinda ... as in white on gray is nice if it's bold enough.21:56
+crythias(I'm talking about plainblack.com) sorry.21:56
+crythiaswhy is the hover cursor an I beam over the menu?21:57
@pbmdawgreport it to SF21:57
+crythias(now I'm talking about demo.plainblack.com)21:57
@rizendont' report it to sf21:57
@rizenwe're not using sf for bugs anymore21:57
* pbmdawg cows in terror21:58
* rizen cowers21:58
+crythiasooh. your own little wg vido on how to start.21:58
* rizen whispers ' why are we cowering '21:58
+crythiassurprised the Edit button sill isn't cleanly transparent.21:59
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@rizenWell, 14 for a first turn out isn't too bad.22:00
@pbmdawg2 o-clock22:00
@rizenWelcome to the very first community IRC day everybody22:00
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@rizenWe're here today to talk about the rough edges in WebGUI 722:00
@rizenHopefully you've all had a chance to check it out at this point.22:01
@rizenIf not, feel free to do so on demo.plainblack.com22:01
@rizenWhat do I mean by rough edges:22:01
@rizenUI Problems...things that don't look as clean as they should22:01
@rizenUsability problems...things that don't work as well as they should22:02
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@rizenProccess problems...things that require more thought than they should22:02
@rizenThat's what I mean by rough edges22:02
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@rizenSo with that, anybody have some opening remarks?22:02
@rizenAnybody have comments?22:03
@rizenQuestions about WebGUI 7?22:03
+crythiasgo into admin mode doesn't work in the demo: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started22:03
@rizenScathing rebuttle about anything I've said?22:03
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+crythiasthe link.22:03
@rizenOne more qualification22:03
@rizenDO NOT use this discussion to report bugs22:03
greghackeHaving been toying with 7.0, I can tell you now that there are many functions that are very clean.22:03
@rizenthis is not the bug list22:03
+crythiaswhen you log in, the link changes to http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started?op=auth;method=logout22:03
+crythiasok. sorry.22:03
+MrHairgreaseOk I have an issue22:04
+MrHairgreaseIt's in the asset manager22:04
@rizenis it a bug?22:04
@rizenor something else?22:04
+MrHairgreasethe crumbtrail that sais where your are22:04
+MrHairgreaseno bug22:04
+MrHairgreaseit just bugs me22:04
+MrHairgreasethe last (rightmost link) is the location where you are22:04
+MrHairgreaseIt makes no sense to click omn a link that brings you to the exact same location22:05
+MrHairgreaseSo I would opt to make clicking that link....22:05
@rizenIt bugs you that it's linked?22:05
@rizenor that' it's there?22:05
+MrHairgreaseto return a pull down menu22:05
+MrHairgreasejust like the more function22:06
+MrHairgreaseI usually click on the name of the asset22:06
+MrHairgreasein stead of the edit link22:06
xdangeryeah, that would be nice22:06
+MrHairgreaseso I have to go back22:06
+MrHairgreaseand click edit22:06
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+MrHairgreasethe link doesn't bug me22:07
+MrHairgreaseit's that you cannot the asset where you are at22:07
@rizenwritten down and everything22:07
+crythiaswhy are the edit buttons below the move grab icon?22:07
@rizenWhat else could be better?22:07
@rizensmoothed out22:08
xdangerbtw. asset manager doesn't work in safari... (I know, I'll report a bug)22:08
@rizenbtw: safari isn't a supported browser22:08
@rizenthe edit buttons are below the drag icon because they are22:08
@rizenwhy is the sky blue?22:08
+MrHairgreaseit has to do with breaking index22:09
+crythiasso put the drag to the left of the indicator icon?22:09
@rizengerald, the drag icon is where it is22:09
@rizencuz that's how it's positioned in the template22:09
@rizenwhat is the "indicator" icon?22:10
@rizendo you mean the class icon?22:10
@rizenthe one that tells you what type of asset it is?22:10
@rizentell me this22:10
@rizenwhy would it be better over there?22:10
@rizenalso keep in mind that you're talking about two different templates22:10
+crythiasbecause people work from left to right. why split it?22:10
@rizenthe toolbar is in the asset template22:11
@rizenwhile the drag icon is in the layout template22:11
@rizenthey're not part of the same toolbar22:11
@rizenthat's why they're split22:11
@rizendrag is not a function of article22:11
@rizenor anything else22:11
@rizenit's a function of layout22:11
@rizenthey can't be part of the same toolbar22:11
@rizencuz they are not in the same template22:12
+MrHairgreaseA solution might be to put the drag icon on the left22:12
@rizenleft of what?22:12
+MrHairgreaseSince most article and stuff are aligned left22:12
+MrHairgreaseit might be more clear what the drag icon belongs to22:12
@rizenleft of what?22:13
+crythiasor make a full div drag bar like a window.22:13
@rizenyou said on the left22:13
+MrHairgreasethe left side of the assetbox22:13
+MrHairgreasestill above22:13
xdangerwhy not put the "drag-area" from the buttons until the right edge... like a window22:13
+MrHairgreasebut now it's algined right and above22:13
@rizenxdanger, could you restate, i'm not getting you22:14
@rizenbtw...this is why the drag button is where it is and why it is...everybody has a zillion ideas22:14
xdangersame what crythias is suggesting...22:15
@rizenwait...let's back up for a second22:15
xdangerI think...22:15
@rizenwhy is the drag icon a problem at the moment?22:15
@rizenmaybe if i understand the problem22:15
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@rizeni'll understand the solutions you're presenting22:15
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+MrHairgreaseI do not have a problem with it myself...22:15
+MrHairgreasebut if you have a very wide asset...22:16
nbcccorpnot nice to talk about people's wide assets22:16
+MrHairgreasethe drag icon is way over at the right of the screen22:16
+MrHairgreasewhile the other controls are left22:16
@pbmdawgkind of like in the Dashboard, where the whole top row is a dragger22:16
+MrHairgreasethey don't seem to belong to each other22:16
@rizenyes matt, that's the solution they're presenting22:16
+MrHairgreaseor the same asset if you will22:16
@rizenbut i want to know the problem22:16
@rizenso martin has one problem22:17
@rizenare there others?22:17
+crythiasit's a rough edge, and not convenient nor really that intuitive.22:17
@rizengerald: that's a useless statement22:17
@rizeni get that it's a rough edge22:17
@rizenwhat i'm asking is why?22:17
@rizenwhy is it a rough edge?22:18
@pbmdawgif the dragger were bigger, the cursor:move area would be bigger, and it would be more obvious that there even is a dragger22:18
+crythiasit's not convenient on a large screen to drag your cursor all the way to the left to do a frequent task.22:18
+crythiasto the right22:18
@rizenyour cursor is on the right most times anyway22:18
@rizencuz that's where your scroll bar is22:18
kmacleanif you have side by side page layout template with 2 side by side articles containing wide tables, then you can't get at the drag icon on the left hand article22:18
+crythiasI use a wheel22:18
@rizensee now that's a good answer22:19
@rizenthank you kmaclean22:19
kmacleanno prob22:19
+MrHairgreaseI agree with gerald that controls for the same asset should be in each others proximity.22:19
@rizenSo if we make a full length dragger bar22:20
@rizenthat runs the entire length of the top of an asset22:20
@rizendoes that solve all the problems listed?22:20
@rizenmethinks yes22:20
+MrHairgreasethat would be better22:20
@rizenwhat do you think22:20
+MrHairgreaseI think yes22:20
@VrbyI think yes22:20
+crythiasyes. and possibly *ducks* put the title in the drag bar.22:20
greghackeactually, we prefer it to the right here.  it's not a training issue or anything, it's a functional issue.  well...  what if we could just "also" use the asset indicator to drag?22:21
@rizengreg: the reason you can't22:21
@rizenis because the asset indicator is not a required element of a toolbar22:21
@rizenand it isn't part of the layout template22:21
@rizenit's the part of each asset template22:21
greghackeAh, see?  is why you are you22:21
@rizenproblem noted and will be corrected22:22
greghackeso, full length I could agree with but title is... not good for me.22:22
greghackeMy q - 508 compliance, I need to add alt/title to all form elements.  Right now, I can do it on many elements but not things like the login username/password input areas22:22
greghacke(or can I and I just haven't realized it?)22:22
@rizeneverything is a template22:22
+crythiasfor administration of the website, greghacke?22:22
@rizenso you can do it22:22
@rizenbut it might be a pain22:23
@rizenwe went through a section 508 compliance thing22:23
@rizenand alt on form elements was not mentioned22:23
+crythiassorry. missed the change topic cue.22:23
greghackethe only one i seem to still get hit on and the one i get he the input22:23
@rizensteve: do you know, is alt a valid attribute of input tags in XHTML 1.0 strict?22:24
@Meatbopthat one hadn't come up, so I'm not 100% on it22:24
@Meatbopalt does not sound like a vaild attribute of input22:25
greghackeA. 508 Standards, Section 1194.22, (a) A text equivalent for every non-text element shall be provided (e.g., via "alt", "longdesc", or in element content).22:25
greghackeRule: 1.1.2 - All INPUT elements are required to contain the alt attribute or use a LABEL.22:25
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greghacke    * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type TEXT, found at Line: 384, Column: 422:25
greghacke    * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type PASSWORD, found at Line: 386, Column: 422:25
greghackethat's what i get on my 6.99.x site22:25
@rizennoted and will be investigated22:26
@Meatbopone thing that i've noticed in my use of versioning is that when you're finished and you have the option to 'go back to site' it takes you to your homepage instead of the last page you were viewing, despite the fact that the url of the page you were viewing is still in the address bar22:26
@rizenthat's by design22:26
@rizenthe reason is22:26
@rizenthe page you were just visiting22:26
@rizensince it is in the commit process22:26
@rizenmay not yet be visible22:27
@Meatbopah, the delay22:27
@fdillonbut if you click on the "back to site" in the left hand nav, it takes you back to the page22:27
@fdilloner right hand nav22:27
@fdillonon that same admin screen22:27
Cantona_in_sweFor simplicity: today the editbar consists of asset type, edit, cut, copy, create shortcut. Is it posible to remove the cut, copy and create shortcut since (in our case) it is seldom used compared to edit.22:27
Cantona_in_sweMaybe these features should only be accessible in Asset manager? Or what about a configable <tmpl_var controls>? Or UI levele?22:27
@rizenwe had considered hiding them under the class icon menu22:28
+crythiasmaybe hide them under (x)?22:28
@rizenhowever, they are common enough22:28
@rizenyou mean delete?22:29
nbcccorpin addition to that question (cantona) can we add shortcuts so instead of just edit,cut,copy  we might have edit,cut,copy,display,security, etcc. ?22:29
@rizengerald: are you recommending hiding functions under th22:30
@rizencantona: tell me this before we go further with this discussion22:30
@rizenwhy is it a problem having them there?22:30
+crythiasyes, I was talking about hiding options under delete.22:31
Cantona_in_swesince users click on cut and they dont now how o get it back22:31
@rizennbcccorp: this seems like it would just add clutter22:31
@rizengerald: you are no longer welcome to submit ideas22:31
@rizengerald: just kidding, but that's a bad idea22:31
@rizencantona: you don't teach your users about clipboard?22:32
@rizencantona: that's a very basic feature, and very important to webgui's functionality22:32
nbcccorpmaybe to you but I think it's kind of annoying to have to click edit then display when going through a bunch of different things. Why would simply extending the list of shortcuts be any more cluttered than just having 3 or 4?  It's all on it's own line.22:32
Cantona_in_swemany of ou users only have the ability to upload files (uilevel 1)22:32
+crythiasbecause delete to trash and delete to clipboard are all that different?22:32
Cantona_in_sweand when they do this (replace a file) the get three other options - and they cant handle with it22:33
@rizennbccorp: because the act of adding something to anything else automatically means it's more cluttered22:33
@rizenit's the definition of clutter22:33
nbcccorpwow. thanks for the def. I do understand that but I don't agree that it will be more cluttered.22:34
@rizencantona:  i see now22:34
@rizencantona: i think that could be made configurable by UI level22:34
@rizennbccorp: i wasn't trying to rip on you22:34
@rizennbccorp: sorry it came across that way22:35
nbcccorpnp. Sometimes it's hard to tell the diff. no sweat.22:35
Cantona_in_sweWhat about adding "Lock" toi the control bar?22:35
@rizennbccorp: to me though this seems like much more of a nice to have feature request than an actual problem22:35
@snapcounthow do you change the rank of an asset in the asset manager?22:35
@rizennbccorp: please submit it as an rfe22:35
nbcccorpHowever, I would rather have more shortcuts in one line than having to dig through multiple pages.22:36
Cantona_in_sweand make that UI configurable as well?22:36
nbcccorpagreed that it's more of a 'nice to have' than a problem.22:36
@rizensnapcount: you drag the rank colum...but vrby says that's borked right now22:36
@snapcountoh ok22:36
@rizencantona: lock is hidden under the class icon22:36
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Cantona_in_swewoohoo - new features =)  (for me)22:37
@rizennow that the toolbar thing is resolved22:37
+luke___What´s about renaming the Group "Secondary Admins" to "User Managers". They could only manage Users ?22:37
@rizenluke: secondary admins can do more than just manage users22:38
@rizenluke: with the right privileges, they can also manage groups22:38
+luke___ooups, i take the question back :)22:38
+MrHairgreaseI have another22:39
+MrHairgreaseIf you edit a template...22:39
+MrHairgreaseand click help...22:39
+MrHairgreaseyou get the template asset help22:39
+MrHairgreasein stead of the templatre namespace you're editing22:39
@rizengood point22:39
@rizensay no more22:39
@rizenadding it to the list22:39
+MrHairgreaseI understand why it works this way22:39
@snapcountI think it might be nice if you could enable auto-commit again22:40
@rizensnapcount: can't be done22:40
Cantona_in_sweVersioning: locking assets: I would like to be able to see who locked a specific asset (today it says "locked" onMouseOve but not by who)22:41
+crythias15 seconds to load Etceter on plainblack.com?22:41
@rizencantona: you can't see that in the asset manager, but you can see it when you look at the revisions of the asset22:42
@rizencantona: if you'd like to see that, it's a nice to have, not a rough edge. please post it as an rfe22:42
@snapcountwhy have a link that says, "search" in manage assets... I think a search box would save a click22:43
@rizencyrthias: yes, i spent about 50 hours during this last dev cycle just speeding up cs22:43
@rizenbecause you're switching modes22:44
@rizenand eventually that will be more than just a couple input fields22:44
@rizenyou'll be able to search on date, owner, etc22:44
+crythiasspeeds now.22:45
+crythiasthat is to say, it's speedy, now. :)22:45
+MrHairgreaseI have one wouter mentioned22:46
+MrHairgreaseWouter told me he'd like to copy assets in the am to the location where you are22:46
+MrHairgreasein stead of the copy to clipboard->paste back cycle22:46
chansenGood evening folks22:46
@rizencantona: i may add that last thing you asked for in 6.99.x somewhere...just depends upon time, ease of doing it, and whether it's going to cause any headaches22:46
chansenCantona_in_swe: svensk?22:47
@rizenmartin: like a duplicate feature?22:47
+MrHairgreaseno really duplicate22:47
@pbmdawgchansen: stay on topic; meeting occuring22:47
+MrHairgreaseyou want to edit a default template22:47
+MrHairgreaseso you want to have a copy of it in the same place22:48
+MrHairgreaseit makes no sense to first copy it to the clipboard22:48
@rizenok, i call it duplicate, what do you call it?22:48
@rizenwe need a new button name22:48
+MrHairgreasein the past temaplates and stuff used to have a copy button22:48
@rizencuz copy already copies to cliboard22:48
+crythiasI like duplicate.22:48
chansenpbmdawg: ok, sorry, I didn't thought it was a meeting22:48
+luke___"Copy to"22:48
+crythiasI have a question: why does pasting remove from clipboard?22:49
+MrHairgreaseI unstood you wrong22:49
+MrHairgreaseyeah duplicate would be a good name22:49
+MrHairgreaseenderstood* btw'22:49
@rizenbecause you're dealing with asset instances22:50
@rizenand in most cases22:50
@rizenyou don't need to paste a thing more than once22:50
Cantona_in_swechansen: ja, göteborg22:50
@rizenduplicate added to list btw22:50
+crythiaswill commerce be handled by spectre in the future?22:51
@rizenhow so?22:51
@snapcountasync payment processing?22:52
@rizendo you mean like batch processing?22:52
+MrHairgreasethat's not possible in some cases22:52
@rizenif so, no22:52
@rizenbecause we'll never store peoples cc info22:52
+MrHairgreaseb/c you cannot contact spectre from outside webgui right22:52
@rizenin the webgui db22:52
@rizenthat's true martin22:53
@rizenbut you could add an op to webgui22:53
@rizenthat would contact spectre22:53
+MrHairgreaseI think snapcount means PayPal APN22:53
+MrHairgreaseyeah that could be done I guess22:53
+MrHairgreasethe real processing is done now by an hourly plugin22:54
+MrHairgreaseso tha'll move to spectre22:54
* MrHairgrease gets back on topic22:54
@rizenit already has moved to spectre22:54
+MrHairgreaseI know22:54
@rizenok new topic22:55
@rizenHow many here have played with 7?22:55
Cantona_in_swewhat's the "graphics" in the admin bar all about?22:55
* MrHairgrease raises his hand22:55
greghackeQuite a bit as you can attest.22:55
@rizenjust a few22:56
+MrHairgreaseNot very much right now cantona22:56
@rizenor are most of you being quiet?22:56
+MrHairgreaseYou can create palettes and upload fonts22:56
+luke___little bit22:56
kmacleana bit22:56
+MrHairgreasewhich ar eused by the graphing subsystem22:56
@rizenof those of you who have played with it22:56
+MrHairgreaseIt's only tied into the poll for now22:56
@rizena couple of questions:22:56
xdangerI've been playing with svn version a long time now =) (mostly to see what new there is in it)22:57
@rizen1) Do you think that the goodness of the end result of 7, was worth the pain of 6?22:57
+luke___sure !22:57
@pbmdawgwhat pain22:57
+MrHairgreaseIt gavbe me a jog for two years22:57
+MrHairgreasea job*22:57
xdangerwhen I started using wg in 6.0 and read the roadmap, my only comment was "I wish I could have 7 already"22:58
greghackewithout a doubt.  we struggled through 6 because even those benefits were worth my pain22:58
@rizen2) With the exception of new features that you'll obviously want added in the future, does it meet your expectations of what 7 should be?22:58
xdangerand It's been a long wait, but 7 is awesome22:58
greghackerizen: it almost meets my expectations.  in the 90th percentile22:58
+MrHairgreaseThe only thing that could be better is speed22:58
+MrHairgreasebut that has improved a lot already22:58
@rizenand as a follow-up of that question, what do you think should have been added to 7 to make it meet your expectations if it does not22:59
@rizeni don't mean what is on your wishlist22:59
@snapcountgood one22:59
@rizeni mean what did you expect to be in 7 that you don't think is there23:00
+crythiasthemes? (question)23:00
@rizenthemes are there23:00
@rizenbut they are called "Exportable Packages"23:00
xdangercontent syntication23:00
@rizenyou expected that to be there?23:00
+crythiasable to bookmark tabs? :)23:00
greghackeI would say three things: a more robust commerce system and a system like ruby/rails' active record and no easy way to add a way to view a lsit-of-records (for new apps and some in place)23:01
xdangerbut that could be done via packages, i guess23:01
@rizenwhat did we communicate to make you think that those things would be there?23:01
+MrHairgreaseThe commerce system is still very basic23:01
+MrHairgreasebut that was how it should be23:02
+MrHairgrease7 were to be the commerce upgrade23:02
+MrHairgreasewill be*23:02
@rizengreg, xdanger, and crythias: what did we say that made you think those things were going to be in 7?23:02
@rizenhow did we miscommunicate to let you down?23:02
chansengreghacke: DBIx::Class and Class::DBI are more featurefull than active record23:02
xdangerI haven't played around with workflow much, but I was under the impression that you could do some kind of programming like "When user register do this with this parameters"23:03
greghackeMrH: not a matter of simplicity - a matter of erroneous records, data integrity issues.23:03
@rizenxdanger: you can do those sorts of things23:03
+crythiasrizen: I'm sort of kidding, but if I make my own type of interface, I'm not sure I'd be able to point a URL directly to an open tab.23:03
@rizenxdanger: you just need more activities to do more things23:03
xdangerfrom admin console, or does it require a new workflor plugin?23:03
greghackerizen: it's not a miscommunication at all.  the first point on commerce was re: experience.  the second was more a desire (yes, should not have been included) the third was more of a functional operations issue23:04
@rizenxdanger: what i mean is, it is possible to do programish type things with the workflow engine, but we didn't include any programish type activities with the workflow engine, on purpose23:04
@rizenour time has officially come and gone peeps23:05
@rizenany last words?23:05
+crythiashow about passthru being default instead of manual override?23:05
xdangerrizen: In some mail you talked about apples automator, so I had an idea to do something like calling another workflow and do if/elsif/else kind of stuff23:05
Cantona_in_swefrom Sweden: good night =)23:06
greghackeYes.  My last word.  wG7 is without a doubt, the strongest engine I can see.23:06
@rizenxdanger: yeah, we made a decision, halfway through coding the thing, to not include any programatic style activities by default at first23:06
chansenCantona_in_swe: sov gott!23:06
@rizenxdanger: we wanted to first see how people were going to use the workflow engine, and then decide what activities to build23:07
xdangerrizen: but are they comming? maybe hide under UIlevel ?23:07
@rizenxdanger: can't say...wont' know until we start getting feedback23:07
@rizenok peeps23:07
@rizenif  you want to continue this conversation23:07
@rizenwe'll be here again at 8am on tuesday23:08
@rizenand 8pm on thursday23:08
xdangerI love webgui, it's just a little bloaded, slow, does not work on debian stable =)23:08
@rizenof next week23:08
greghackesee you then23:08
+MrHairgreasewhat happened with postgres support btw23:08
xdangerbut it's getting better, performance vice23:08
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@pbmdawgworks in debian stable underwre23:09
+crythiasJT: I'll be glad to parse the xml23:09
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@pbmdawganyone feel free to stay and discuss23:09
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+MrHairgreaseany people going to the wuc this year?23:09
greghackei owe some drinks23:09
* pbmdawg raises hand23:10
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@rizengerald: please do23:10
+MrHairgreasewhy do you owe drinks?23:10
+MrHairgreaseto me?23:10
@fdillonI'll be at the WUC =)23:10
+crythiasAll I need is the artifacts part23:10
+MrHairgreasethat's a big surprise =)23:10
greghackeyes, to you23:10
+MrHairgreasewhy again?23:11
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greghackethis is wooter, yes?23:11
+MrHairgreasewooter will be online next session23:11
greghackethen it is...23:11
* pbmdawg wooted the other day23:11
+MrHairgreaseBut I'll gladly drink his drinks23:11
xdangerI would like to come, but I'm not sure that I have the money..23:11
@snapcountdid my op=manageCron post make it before I fell off into the depths of cyberspace23:12
greghackethat works too.  anyone who worked on commerce i'll be drinking with.23:12
+crythiasthat artifact_history part is annoying, but I can handle it.23:12
@snapcountwe should put column headers on that screen23:12
@snapcountwith hover help explaining the scheduling notation23:12
+MrHairgreasetime to get a life23:13
* MrHairgrease tries against all odds =)23:13
+MrHairgreaselater guys23:13
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@snapcountso I want to hear from the new comers...23:14
@snapcountfirst off welcome =)23:14
@snapcountwho is cheecheeo23:15
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@snapcountand julied?23:15
greghackewhat is a "newcomer"?23:15
@snapcountalrighty then ...23:15
@snapcountsomeone new to the channel that I haven't seen before23:15
+crythiasnewcomers were on that movie "AlienNation"23:15
@Meatbopgood flick23:15
@snapcountyou don't count Greg?23:15
+luke___:) bye *23:16
@snapcountI can't type23:16
@snapcountrizen:  I need an administrative assistant to type for me23:16
@rizengerald, what's your email addy?23:16
@rizencan it handle a 6.5mb file?23:17
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+crythiasrizen: what do you want in return?23:18
@rizenwhat do you mean23:19
@rizenfile is away23:19
@rizenit's zipped to make it much smaller23:19
+crythiasdo you want this to be copy-pasted or can you handle a csv?23:19
@rizencsv will be troublesome at best23:19
@rizenbecause there will be a lot of garbage data in there23:20
@rizeni'd say either import it into a database and give me a dump23:20
@rizenor output it as JSON23:20
+crythiasyou want .sql? sure.23:20
+crythiashow do you want to handle responses and changes to  fields?23:21
@rizenthrow out changes to fields23:21
@rizencouldn't care less23:21
@rizenall i really want is title23:21
@rizenaka summary23:21
@rizenand the message itself23:21
@rizenas far as comments23:21
@rizenappend them to the message23:22
@rizenor break them out23:22
@rizendon't care23:22
@rizenthe main message is the most important part23:22
@rizenthrow out anything closed, pending, etc23:22
@rizenand don't include anything in the fix list23:22
@rizenonly from the rfe list23:22
+crythiasno problem23:22
@rizenthanks man23:23
@rizeni'll give you a pile of karma for htat23:23
+crythiasthanks for grabbing the raw data en masse. it'll help bunches.23:25
+crythiasgtg ttfn23:25
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@pbmdawgmob dispersed23:45
greghackenot me!23:45
greghackeyou just missed frank23:45
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greghackeso is this like the hang-out?00:09
greghackeso how do i know who is whom?00:10
greghackethat would work...00:11
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+crythiasI'm getting closer04:33
snapcoun1How much Karma are you getting for doing this?04:44
+crythiasI'm kinda distracted with tv while I'm doing this :)04:45
+crythiasdunno. "bunches"?04:45
snapcoun1I figured out how to do Paypal04:45
snapcoun1I'm going to bypass the commerce system04:45
+crythiasand ... did I help, any?04:45
snapcoun1very much so04:45
snapcoun1I'm going to write a paypal asset04:45
snapcoun1here's the idea04:46
snapcoun1I will distribute a modified commerce template for viewCart04:46
snapcoun1so they can use the std wG shopping cart04:46
snapcoun1like normal04:46
snapcoun1but when they click pay04:46
snapcoun1they will go to my paypal assets methods04:46
snapcoun1then, my asset can get everything from their cart04:46
snapcoun1redirect them, and all that fun stuff04:47
snapcoun1whatever needs to be done04:47
snapcoun1then, I can record the transaction details in the commerce systems transaction tables04:47
snapcoun1it will have templates for each step of the process04:48
snapcoun1and the asset will allow you to set the config params sent to paypal04:48
+crythiaswhich is the interface Paypal is using?04:48
snapcoun1to make their pages look like yours04:48
snapcoun1colors, logo, etc04:48
snapcoun1but I'm going to use the paypal lib I found on CPAN04:49
snapcoun1which wraps it into the same SDK methods paypal distributes for other languages04:49
snapcoun1will make it very clean04:49
snapcoun1so, what do you think?04:50
snapcoun1the only thing that sucks about it is this04:50
+crythiasI was wondering if web payments standards or alternate payment method.04:50
snapcoun1I'm going to use express checkout04:50
snapcoun1the link you sent me04:50
snapcoun1is that a paypal pro or standard thing?04:51
snapcoun1I couldn't figure that out on their page04:51
+crythiasthat seemed like a reasonable thing. the only thing I didn't know if you figured out how to report success of order from paypal?04:51
snapcoun1when you send them to paypal04:52
snapcoun1you send paypal a returnUrl04:52
snapcoun1they post a token to it04:52
snapcoun1then your method posts back to them04:52
snapcoun1and asks for the transaction result04:52
+crythiason the left, click additional payment options.04:53
+crythias(the link is the result of clicking "Merchant Tools" on the main paypal page.04:54
snapcoun1I found it04:55
snapcoun1I'm going to use "Additonal Payment Option"04:55
snapcoun1but it will be the only option04:55
+crythiasseems to be reasonable to me.04:55
snapcoun1only bad thing is that customers can't select other configured payment gateways04:55
snapcoun1they can use cc#, paypal, or check04:56
+crythiascan't because of template?04:56
snapcoun1because I can't add paypal as an option to the gateway screen04:56
snapcoun1without making it a payment plug-in04:56
+crythiasshow me?04:56
snapcoun1and then we're back to all the problems I discussed last night04:57
+crythiasok. demo.. then ...04:57
snapcoun1line 91404:58
snapcoun1the problem is the submit button04:58
snapcoun1I'd have to have two of them04:58
snapcoun1one for paypal (that posted to my asset)04:58
snapcoun1and one for regular commerce04:58
snapcoun1so you see my kunundrum04:59
snapcoun1I don't think it's that big of deal04:59
snapcoun1and it's only until 7.1 is out supposedly04:59
+crythiasyes, you have to intercept the submit04:59
+crythiasby changing the action in the form...05:00
snapcoun1or having two forms05:00
snapcoun1with two buttons05:00
snapcoun1anyways... I'm going to charge forward05:01
snapcoun1time to start coding!!05:01
snapcoun1woo hoo05:01
+crythiaschange the action to preparse?05:01
+crythiasthat's easy in the template.05:01
+crythiasif paypal is selected, do that, otherwise do the other.05:02
snapcoun1with JS you mean?05:02
+crythiasno form action05:02
snapcoun1how can you make a submit button dynamically change the action of a form depending on what's selected?05:02
+crythiasjust change the action in the <form>05:03
snapcoun1I'm not getting it05:03
snapcoun1how do I change it?05:03
+crythiasOK. <form action="preparse">05:03
snapcoun1oh I get it05:03
snapcoun1write a method in my asset05:03
snapcoun1that decides what to do05:03
snapcoun1is that what you mean?05:04
+crythiaswhy is paypal different than other transaction engines?05:04
snapcoun1because most of the process happens external to the site05:05
snapcoun1the other systems all happen locally05:05
snapcoun1and are hard coded with those assumptions05:05
+crythiasok. :) but it still seems reasonable that the parse in the template could be an easy kludge? or is it just not appropriate?05:06
snapcoun1yeah it would be easy, but the process will be less flexible for the person configuring the site05:07
snapcoun1they will be forced to follow the commerce systems checkout process05:07
snapcoun1and then follow paypals05:07
snapcoun1which could be very weird05:07
snapcoun1it doesn't fit05:07
snapcoun1plus it is a hack05:07
snapcoun1big time05:07
snapcoun1although it is a very clever idea05:08
snapcoun1I think my asset idea is the best solution given the circumstances05:08
snapcoun1writing the asset will be easy05:08
+crythiasok. now I have to determine the best way to get a multi-line description in a useable format.05:08
snapcoun1what format is it starting out as?05:09
+crythiasvery regular.05:10
snapcoun1so what do you want it to look like?05:10
+crythiassomething that could be imported into mysql?05:10
+crythias&#13; ?05:11
+crythiashow does a text area look ...05:12
snapcoun1why not this05:12
snapcoun1write a regex that grabs the field name05:12
snapcoun1and then everything between > and <05:13
snapcoun1or the whole tag05:13
snapcoun1probably better05:13
snapcoun1make a hash05:13
snapcoun1keyed by fieldname05:13
snapcoun1insert row05:13
snapcoun1rinse and repeat05:13
+crythiasI've done that for same-line tags. which is why the first link works.05:14
snapcoun1this is what Perl was born for05:14
snapcoun1processing text05:15
+crythiasand awk05:15
+crythiasmy code so far http://rafb.net/paste/results/DHt22n46.html05:15
+crythiasmy results http://rafb.net/paste/results/RCB55F71.html05:16
+crythias'cept now they're comma-delim'd05:16
+crythiasok \n is adequate05:20
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+luke___hi *12:50
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@pbmdawgjra - you missed the meeting yesterday?16:19
xdangerpbmdawg: I have an idea that I would like to have some input on. Do you have little time?16:46
@pbmdawgI'm on vacation16:47
@pbmdawggo ahead16:47
xdangerThis morning (it almost 5pm here now) I was thinking about a site with lots of multimedia... flash,movies,pictures and stuff...16:47
xdangerand thought that It would be nice to have a WebGUI::File::Flash, movies, etc...16:48
xdangerand that that could be a plugable system for creating handlers for different filetypes16:48
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xdangerso that you could embed the video or flash to the site like an image16:50
@pbmdawgit's ironic16:50
@pbmdawgI'm writing that plugin for the wuc16:50
xdangernice =)16:51
@pbmdawgas the demo for the Asset talk16:51
xdangerWe're planning some consumer portals, and I'm thinking of using webgui for some parts of it... or the front part of it and call other (mostly php) stuff via web services..16:52
@pbmdawgwas it you who was complaining about webgui's speed yesterday?16:53
xdangerand me too16:53
xdangerwe'll I understand why it is the way it is...16:53
@pbmdawgthere are numerous speed improvements still to be made16:54
xdangerIt's always a battle between the Features/ease of use/performance...16:54
@pbmdawgin this case, there's still tons of room for improvement16:54
xdangerThat I belive, and that why I like webgui =)16:54
@pbmdawgthere are some very large inefficiencies right now16:54
xdangerargee with that16:55
+crythiasdarn it.16:55
xdangerbut mod_perl2 and caching has done wonders ;)16:55
+crythiasxdanger: you still logging?16:55
+crythiasurl please?16:56
xdangerthe public logs are updated every hour, if I remember correctly16:56
+crythiasI posted my code and now I need it. maybe16:56
+crythiaswhat about that interface?16:57
xdangerwhat interface?16:57
+crythiasthere was a pretty statistics16:58
xdangercrythias: you mean: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/webgui16:58
+crythiasyep thanks!16:58
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+crythiasDuring this 138-day reporting period, a total of 138 different nicks were represented on #webgui.17:04
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Baylinkpbmdawg: Yeah, I was on the road17:20
@pbmdawgwhy is it that I can't buy a pc from dell without also paying for a monitor18:00
+crythiasstart with a server :)18:02
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+crythiaswoof woof20:43
@pbmdawgmoo moo20:43
+crythiasI want a $25 mouse20:43
@pbmdawgmy woot won't get here until 10 days after its day20:45
+crythiasstill don't think it's necessary to kill an asset from clipboard on paste20:46
* crythias grumbles.20:46
+crythiasotherwise, it's a move, which shouldn't need clipboard.20:46
@pbmdawgso you're saying a new button should be added20:47
@pbmdawgpaste and leave in clipboard20:47
@pbmdawgmove does need clipboard20:47
@pbmdawghow else would you move20:47
+crythiasasset tree popup20:47
+crythiassame way you choose home page or not_found page20:48
@pbmdawgI dunno20:49
+crythiasclipboard paste should be generate new guid on paste.20:49
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BaylinkPaste, by common definition, does *not* remove the pasted item from the clipboard; that's the behavior people will expect.21:07
BaylinkIf I "copy" two things, and then paste twice, what happens?21:08
@pbmdawgthen how does one remove things from the clipboard21:08
+crythiasclik [x] remove from clipboard21:08
BaylinkThat depends on how many things can be *on* the clipboard.21:08
BaylinkCommonly, it's only one.21:08
+crythiasBaylink: not really.21:08
@pbmdawgit would be silly to restrict it like that21:08
+crythiasespecially in regards to Microsoft's newer Office.21:09
Baylink"It would be silly" to call it a clipboard, and make it behave unlike how clipboards behave.21:09
@pbmdawgnow we're getting somewhere... what should it be called21:09
BaylinkCall it something else.  "Scrapbook", perhaps.21:09
@pbmdawgpiddle pad21:09
BaylinkIn any event, if you're going to have more than one thing on it, you have to define how to pick what you're going to paste.21:09
@pbmdawgin admin mode, you can only paste one at a time21:10
+crythiasyou do, now. click the [ ] for each asset to paste21:10
@pbmdawgin the asset manager, you check the boxes and click paste21:10
BaylinkAh.  Ok.  Don't have 6.99 installed yet.21:10
@pbmdawgthat's from 6.5 on21:10
BaylinkI speak ex-cathedra merely on general issues of UI design.  :-)21:11
Baylink(And I haven't worked real much on my 6.8.7 :-)21:11
@pbmdawgfeel free to bring up the naming issue during our next meeting - Tuesday21:11
BaylinkDo my best; what time EDT?21:11
@pbmdawgTuesday, May 23, at 8am US Central (GMT/UTC -5)21:12
@pbmdawgThursday, May 25, at 8pm US Central (GMT/UTC -5) 21:12
Baylink8pm a lot more likely than 8am.  :-)21:15
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+perlDreamercrythias: do you have perl running on a windows box?06:55
+perlDreamercan you help me with something quick?06:55
+perlDreamerput these three lines in a file, along with whatever shebang magic is used by windows and paste the results back?06:56
+perlDreameropendir my $DH, '.';06:56
+perlDreamerprint join "\n", readdir $DH;06:56
+perlDreamerclose $DH;06:56
+crythiasgimme sec06:56
+crythiascan I use strict and use warnings?06:58
+crythiasor just as is?06:58
+crythiasdir listing.06:59
+crythiasI don't think you want the listing of my files...06:59
+perlDreamerwell, I'd really like it to show me an almost empty directory07:00
+perlDreamerif you have one07:00
+perlDreameri need to see if things like ../ and ./ show up07:00
+perlDreamerlike they do in Unix07:00
+crythiasno slashes07:01
+perlDreamerthat's all right07:01
+perlDreamerJT entered a bug against Storage.pm, and since I was writing a test for it I picked it up.07:02
+perlDreamerBasically, do you remember your old bug about the Storage system leaking inodes07:02
+perlDreamersince directories stubs get left?07:02
+crythiasdidn't know what caused it.07:02
+perlDreamerit was by design07:02
+perlDreamerbut it doesn't do that anymore07:02
+perlDreamerif the directory is empty07:02
+crythiasok. :)07:03
+perlDreamerit prunes stuff back to the first non-empty directory under uploadsDir07:03
+perlDreamerhow are things in Florida?07:05
+crythiasjust chillin in the heat.07:06
+crythiasalso browsing my logs.07:06
+crythiassomeone at one IP address has been hitting my pc anywhere site about 8 times in the past 24 hours (from an email)07:07
+perlDreamerwhy not block them at the firewall?07:08
+crythiasI'm amused. It's obvious he's trying to get it to work, and not being successful.07:08
+perlDreameryou could bait him with a honeynet07:08
+crythiasand my son just closed his door07:09
+crythiasoh, the guy isn't being malicious. he wants the information I'm providing. he just isn't successful (apparently) at making it work.07:09
+crythiashe's clicking a link in a web email.07:10
+perlDreamerI see07:10
+crythiasre: my son... he apparently has decided his door (slightly ajar, usually) is worth closing (he's 2) ... which means he's at least gotten out of bed long enough to do that.07:11
+perlDreamerWhen my son was two, he liked to wander through the hallways of the house at night07:12
+perlDreamerbecause he was bored07:12
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Radix-Workanyone awake?06:39
Radix-Workobviously not :)11:22
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Jiggiesup people23:27
Jiggieanyone here can help with a few questions23:27
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Jiggienew to this cms thing..00:14
Jiggiethe company i work uses webgui for intranet and website.00:15
Jiggiewebsite uses the latest and intranet 1 version below.00:15
Jiggienow they paid for a theme or style.. to change the look of the page.how can i export that look from the website and import it to the intranet00:15
Jiggiewhat files do need00:16
BaylinkWhich version(s) are they using00:24
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Radix-wrknavigation templates - is there an way to do a less than ie. <tmpl_if page.relDepth lessthan 5> xxx ?10:09
xdangerwith If macro10:16
xdangeror separete tmpl_if for each relDepth0-410:17
Radix-wrkseparate tmpl_if would be messy - I want everything the same for depths 0-4, then 5 and above I want to do something different10:28
Radix-wrkwith If - what do I use for less than?  I can't use < can I?10:30
xdanger^If(<tmpl_var page.relDepth> < 5,something,otherthing );10:36
xdangerThe If macro was removed in 6.8.3 or .4, but you can get it from the svn..10:37
xdangerIn 6.99 you can use HTML::Template::Expr, so you could do <tmpl_if page.relDepth < 5>10:38
xdangeror something liket that10:38
Radix-wrkusing 6.8.10 atm still.. it's a production website so not ready to jump into 7 yet :)10:41
Radix-wrkthis one has gone through numerous upgrades from 5.x.x versions tho, so I still have a copy of the If macro here it looks like.. it's just not in the config10:43
xdangerbe sure that it's the 6.8x Macro... the api changed in 6.7->6.811:02
Radix-wrkthanks :)11:47
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xdangerMrHairgrease: do you dutch watch eurovision?12:32
+MrHairgreaseI don't anyway12:32
+MrHairgreasebut I heard I missed something =)12:33
+MrHairgreaseWTF happened to Abba?12:33
xdangerI'm not really sure how popular it is in europe but in finland we celebraded our first victory =)12:40
+MrHairgreaseActually I'm glad Holland didn't make it through the first round...12:41
+MrHairgreaseI really hate the eurovision songfestival12:42
+MrHairgreaseI know of some sqatters who once held the euro visionless songfestival12:42
xdangerthe eurovision is usually full of crapy light-pop-artists..12:55
xdangerbut the finnish artist was a heavy metal band ;)12:55
+MrHairgreaseyeah or weirded out orks =)12:55
+MrHairgreaseoh lordi!12:55
xdangerwell it was a hard rock hallelujah song, so..12:55
+MrHairgreaseI saw a bit of it on the news12:55
xdangeryeah, lordi =)12:55
+MrHairgreaseI don't think Lordi is a very metal name12:56
+MrHairgreaseIt sounds more like a hippie thing or something like that12:56
xdangerone of their previous singles was "Devil is a loser" =)13:00
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xdangeroh, that page has been updated to include a link at the bottom =D13:01
+MrHairgreasecool sign13:03
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+MrHairgreaseseen this13:04
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@rizenlooks like it's a slow morning16:01
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+MrHairgreasehow come?16:01
@rizenIs anybody actually here, or are you all squatters?16:02
@rizenCuz there are only 10 of us this morning16:02
@rizenfor this chat16:02
@rizenAn there were 20 last time16:02
+MrHairgreaseIn europe people work rather than chitchat =)16:02
+MrHairgreasea quarter of which were pb employees btw.16:02
@rizenwhat does that mean?16:02
@rizenthat's true16:03
+MrHairgreasenothing. Note the =)16:03
@rizenIs anyone besides me and MrHairGrease, an actual person?16:03
wouter_procolixI am, but I'm listening only partly :)16:03
MeatbopOn occasion I like to think I'm an actual person16:03
+MrHairgreaseWho doesn't16:04
xdangerI'm not sure16:04
@rizenI wonder if it's worth actually having the discussion this morning16:04
wouter_procolixWhat discussion?  :)16:04
@rizenIt's Community IRC Day16:04
+MrHairgreaseI have a question16:04
@rizentalking about smoothing rough edges16:04
+MrHairgreasethough its not rough edge related16:04
xdangerwhat mornig? =)16:04
xdangerI calculated in my little head the time difference to the wrong way =D16:05
+MrHairgreaseA rough edge I just found is in the collab system16:05
+MrHairgreaseIf you set it to commit without workflow...16:05
+MrHairgreaseIt still says that the message is being approved16:06
@rizenit is16:06
+MrHairgrease and after that you can go back to the thread index16:06
@rizenit's getting approved by the system16:06
+MrHairgreaserather that the tread you replied in16:06
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+MrHairgreaseI would expect to return in the thread I was in16:06
@rizeni c16:06
+MrHairgreasenot the thread index16:06
@rizeni'll write that down16:07
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+MrHairgreaseAlso I think the approval message should not be shown in case of autoapprove16:07
+MrHairgreaseor at least switchable16:07
@rizenit has to be shown16:07
lenthamenI would like to thank the PlainBlack team for pimping my CMS :)16:07
@rizenBecause WebGUI has no way of knowing what your commit process is made up of16:08
+MrHairgreasehmm, I see16:08
@rizenand like i said16:08
@rizentechnically, the system is approving your message16:08
+MrHairgreasei understand16:08
@rizenwhether it's a human approval or not16:08
+MrHairgreasebut people are not technical16:09
+MrHairgreasethat's the point16:09
@rizenthen they should be16:09
xdangercould there be something like "prosessing your post" on the approval template if the auto commit is on..16:09
@rizeni just covered that16:09
@rizenwe don't know whether it's autocommit or not16:09
@rizenthere's no way to know16:09
@rizenand there's no such thing as auto commit16:09
@rizenthis topic is over16:10
lenthamenA small thing:16:10
lenthamenIn the Asset tree, could items without childs have no link ?16:11
@rizenotherwise there would be no way to add children to it16:11
lenthamenI see...16:11
@rizenbut we have added a little + next to each16:11
@rizenone that has children16:11
@rizenso that way you know16:12
@rizenbefore clicking16:12
+MrHairgrease I that the link where the context menu will be?16:12
@rizendoes that solve your problem?16:12
wouter_procolixI think adding the + was a good idea.16:12
lenthamenYes, it does.16:12
lenthamenwonderful job JT......16:12
@rizennot my idea16:12
@rizenwas the US Dept of State's idea16:13
@rizenit was a good one though16:13
@rizenmartin, what were you trying to say up there?16:13
+MrHairgreaseI looked wrong16:13
@rizenok...for all of you who just joined16:13
@rizenwe're talking about finding rough edges in webgui16:14
@rizenand rounding them16:14
@rizenthis is the second of three such discussions16:14
@rizenwe've already started implementing the ideas brought fourth in the first discussion16:14
@rizenand we have one more16:14
@rizenat 8pm us central on thursday16:14
@rizenwhich is 20:00 GMT/UTC -0500 for you european types16:15
+MrHairgreaseis Central time the same as chicago?16:15
@rizenso what we need from you is ideas on how to make webgui easier to use16:15
xdangerwhen you click on the class icon (?) could there be a direct link to edit that assets templates in the context menu.. like a submenu =)16:15
@rizenthe reason being16:16
@rizenwe don't know what templates it has16:16
@rizenuntil we get to the edit screen16:16
@rizensome assets have 8 templates16:16
@rizensome have none16:16
@rizenanyway...the areas we're looking to improve:16:17
xdangerok, so the buttons are not generated by the asset it self, but some higher power ?16:17
@rizena) UI problems16:17
@rizenb) process problems (where it's not intuitive on how something works)16:17
@rizenxdanger: they are generated by the getToolbar method in the asset superclass16:17
@rizenxdanger: even if we could do that16:18
@rizeni don't think we should16:18
@rizenholy clutter batman16:18
wouter_procolixI have one issue related to the versioning system16:18
@rizenback to it: we are not looking for features that you want added just cuz you think they would be cool, unless said features also make webgui easier to use16:18
@rizenshoot wouter16:19
wouter_procolixThis is probably difficult to implement, but I just want to say that is probably very un-intuitive for end-users:16:19
* MrHairgrease shoots wouter16:19
wouter_procolixWhen you delete something, it is also gone from the Live version16:19
@rizeni hate that16:19
wouter_procolixWell you might be under the assumption that it will be effective only when you really commit .16:19
wouter_procolixMe too...16:19
wouter_procolixMight be difficult to fix in short time, but maybe in the long run.... ?16:20
@rizenhowever, i can't really fix it, because technically it's a tree function16:20
@rizentrash, clipboard, and parent child relationships are all tree functions16:20
@rizennone of which are versioned16:20
@rizenbecause i can't get my brain around that16:20
@rizenthe problem is this16:20
wouter_procolixThan maybe a warning for end-users might be a good thing (if there isn't already)16:21
@rizenlet's say you put a version of something in the trash16:21
@rizenbut there's another version of it no in the trash16:21
@rizenwhich could happen, if trash is versioned16:21
@rizenthen when the trash get's emptied16:21
@rizenall versions of it would go away16:21
@rizenthey would have to16:22
@rizenas that's what the trash is for16:22
@rizenthat's even more confusiong16:22
@rizenwarning isn't a bad idea16:22
@rizeni think there is one, but we'll enhance it to be more descriptive about that16:22
wouter_procolixCouldn't they be locked? So that they won't be trashed until the version tag is committed? Or something like that?16:22
@rizenthe reason is that we're not keeping track of any versioning data on trash16:23
@rizenso there's no way for it to have two states16:23
@rizenvisible yet deleted16:23
@rizenyou know what i mean?16:23
wouter_procolixVisible in the published version, but deleted under the version tag... Yes.16:24
wouter_procolixA possible workaround:16:24
wouter_procolixmaybe, just a thought....16:24
wouter_procolixadd a list of "deleted" assets under the version tag, sort of like a filter.16:24
wouter_procolixWhen working under the version tag, filter out that assets (act like they are deleted).16:25
wouter_procolixWhen you commit, really delete them to trash.16:25
wouter_procolixWould that work?!16:25
@rizenit would work16:25
@rizenthere are several ways that this could be done16:26
@rizenbut it seems like we're creating two versioning systems then16:26
@rizenand i don't really like that from a maintenance point of view16:26
@rizenanother way that's simpler than what you're talking about16:26
@rizenis to have a new field added to the asset table16:27
@rizencalled deleteTag16:27
@rizenor something16:27
@rizenand then we shove the tagId in that field16:27
@rizenthat way we don't have to compare a big list16:27
@rizeneach time16:27
@rizenit's already persisted to the asset16:27
@rizenbut again, it seems like an extra sudo versioning system16:28
@rizenmaybe that's ok16:28
@rizenbut i'm not prepared to say that it is yet16:28
@rizenlike i said before16:29
@rizeni don't like the way it works now either16:29
wouter_procolixIMHO, the advantages are bigger than the disadvantages, but than again, I don't have seen much of the versioning code, so I don't exactly know how it works....16:29
@rizeni'm with you on that16:29
@rizenlet me state it another way16:29
@rizenit's not that i don't want to make this change16:30
@rizenit's that i don't want to make this change rashly16:30
@rizeni've been thinking about this problem for 6+ months now16:30
@rizenand every time i think i have the answer, something comes up and kicks me in thass16:30
@rizenthe ass16:30
@rizenmy most recent solution is the one outlined above16:31
@rizenand i think that will work16:31
wouter_procolixYeah, I understand. So lets add the warning for now, and maybe discuss this feature later on the dev-list?16:31
@rizennext topic16:32
xdangerAn easy way to edit the config from web?16:32
@rizenthat's already on the todo16:33
@rizenbut has nothing to do with webgui16:33
@rizenit's part of the wre16:33
xdangerThere are some configuration options (live purge trash offset) that I would like the user to change from the webgui adminconsole16:33
@rizenand they can16:33
@rizenthose are part of the workflow system now16:33
@rizennot in the config16:33
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xdangerok, old information that I have then =)16:34
kmacleanIn the request tracker, when you reply to a post, why are you given the option to set a severity in the reply? ... since it does not show up on display of the reply.  Is it even required?16:34
@rizenthat's a bug on our site16:34
@rizenin the template16:35
kmacleanok, thanks16:35
@rizenit will be fixed16:35
@rizenare we out of stuff?16:36
+MrHairgreaseI am16:36
+MrHairgreasefor now anyway =)16:36
@rizenwell you have until thursday to think of more16:36
@rizenand it's ok if we're out of stuff16:37
@rizenwe got a big list the first day16:37
+MrHairgreaseI have a request for the bug tracker on the pb site16:37
+MrHairgreaseis it possible to add a user to a bug16:38
+MrHairgreaseor better said the other way round16:38
@rizeni don't understand16:38
+MrHairgreaseSo if I'm working on bug x everbody can see that and no work is being duplicated16:38
+MrHairgreaseassign a bug to someone16:38
@rizennot right now it's not possible16:38
+MrHairgreaseso it is possible =)16:39
+MrHairgreasedouble negetives hooray16:39
@rizenthis was my first attempt at making the tracker using the cs16:39
@rizenwe'll have to add more features over time to make it better16:39
+MrHairgreaseI can live with that16:39
@rizenmy biggest goal was to just to get the tracker into webgui16:39
@rizencuz that was a big complaint16:39
+MrHairgreasewhat was?16:40
@rizenno one liked going to source forget to submit bugs16:40
xdangersf.net is slow..16:40
+MrHairgreasesource  foGET16:40
@rizenso the idea was to get RFE and bugs off of source forge16:40
@rizenand on to our site16:40
+MrHairgreasesvn can be slow too16:40
@rizenand from there, we can move forward16:40
@rizensvn is slow on our current box cuz that box is small and overworked16:41
@rizenwe're working on a replacement16:41
@rizenshould have one by the end of the summer16:41
+MrHairgreaseI'm not complaining16:41
+MrHairgreaseWouter told me to say it =)16:41
@rizensure he did16:41
+MrHairgreasehe did16:41
@rizenoh...and it's exceptionoally slow for you guys16:41
@rizenbecause while you're at work, it's doing the majority of it's jobs16:42
+MrHairgreasemust be the earth rays16:42
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+MrHairgreaseAND the earth rays16:42
@rizenmost of it's scheduled tasks are between midnight and 8am my time16:42
@rizenyeah, what you said16:42
@rizenearth rays16:42
@rizenanyway guys16:43
@rizenthanks for the ideas16:43
@rizenwouter, i'll keep thinking on the delete thing16:43
@rizeni'm sure we can come up with something16:43
wouter_procolixokay, great :)16:43
Jiggiemorning people16:43
@rizenif no one has anything else16:44
+MrHairgreaseoh jt16:44
Jiggievery early to get into webgui but here it goes16:44
+MrHairgreasewhy is it that spectre has hard coded in the spectre.pl script?16:44
wouter_procolixYeah, Martin killed my spectre instance today :)16:44
+MrHairgreasewouter jkilled mine first16:45
@rizenit should only be hard coded in for local functions16:45
@rizenlike shutdown16:45
+MrHairgreasein that case I can kill wouters deamon and he can kill mine16:45
+MrHairgreasewe run multple instances of wg on one server16:46
+MrHairgreasehaving a lot of ip's16:46
Jiggiebaylink are you around16:46
@rizenthat's your problem16:46
+MrHairgreaseI'll submit it as abug16:46
@rizenperl MrHairgrease --shutdown16:46
+MrHairgreasethan it's your problem =)16:47
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@rizeni'll just close it16:47
wouter_procolixbut shutdown works on :)16:47
@rizenwow...i didn't think he was actually getting upset16:47
@rizenok folks16:47
@rizenanybody got anything else?16:48
Jiggieyes me16:48
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@rizenotherwise i'm calling this one done16:48
@rizenshoot jiggie16:48
Jiggievery new to webgui16:48
Jiggiewe have the intranet running "WebGUI 6.2.11"16:48
* MrHairgrease is back up again16:48
Jiggieand the website running "WebGUI 6.8.9"16:48
xdangerperl MrHairgrease --run --debug16:48
@rizenperl MrHairgrease --ping16:49
Jiggiehere goes the question16:49
+MrHairgreasequit that16:49
+MrHairgreasebehave like adults16:49
@rizenok jiggie16:49
Jiggiewe ordered a layout and its working fine invisioninc.com16:49
Jiggiewe want to put that layout in to the intranet16:49
Jiggiecan anyone help on the steps16:49
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Jiggiei just downloaded the new zip and go to test b4 i break something16:50
@rizenthis isn't a support chat jiggie16:50
Jiggiei was hoping16:50
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@rizenanybody have an ideas related to the rough edges discussion?16:50
@rizenwe're calling this one closed then16:51
@rizen20:00 GMT/UTC -050016:51
@rizen8pm US Central (chicago)16:52
@rizenwe'll have another one of these16:52
@rizenthe last one16:52
@rizento get feedback on rough edges16:52
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@rizenthanks everyone16:52
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Meatboptake care16:53
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i4nhoi MrHairgrease16:55
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Jiggieso any place were i can get some help17:00
i4nin channel #3,017:01
wouter_procolixYou can ask for WebGUI related help at the plainblack forum17:01
wouter_procolixMore specifically: http://www.plainblack.com/discuss17:01
Jiggiei just wish they were a bit more helpful and have a better how towg17:02
wouter_procolixAnd for your question (about templates/layouts) you should probably post it in "Web Design, Templates, and Themes"17:02
+MrHairgreaseI'd like to be helpful but I just don't know anything about themes17:03
+MrHairgreaseor isn't that your problem17:03
i4nyeah, you should better describe your problem17:03
+MrHairgreasekick 14n17:03
i4nkicks MrHairgrease back17:04
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* MrHairgrease shouts to wouter and ian go back to work before the boss returns!!!17:04
Jiggiewell yes and no17:07
Jiggiemy problem is that i have to update the intranet with how the webpage looks and feels.17:07
Jiggiei'm just a lonely jr system admin and they have given me this task to do this... wish i cpould buy a book or something.17:08
+MrHairgreaseare you rinning wg already?17:08
Jiggieboss is pissed that he could not even set up webgui on a different machine and i did in 1 hour17:09
xdangerjust copy-paste the template and copu images ;)17:09
Jiggienow he expects miracles17:09
Jiggiei'm running 3 versions17:09
Jiggie2 productions and 1 to test stuff17:09
+MrHairgreaseso why don't you just upgrade?17:09
+MrHairgreaseyou want to transfer the test to prod?17:09
xdangerintranet is in pre-asset version..17:09
xdangerit could get messy17:09
+MrHairgreaseit _will_ get messy17:10
Jiggiewe have the intranet running "WebGUI 6.2.11"17:10
xdangerand even more if there is something custom in it17:10
Jiggieand the website running "WebGUI 6.8.9"17:10
Jiggie[10:09am]«+ MrHairgrease » it _will_ get messy <<< dont want that17:10
Jiggiei want to upgrade the intranet17:11
xdangerJiggie: do you have any custom wobjects, or macros in the intraner17:11
Jiggieso i want to send to the test environment17:11
Jiggieyou know so i wont break anything as i'm just starting17:11
+MrHairgreaseI guess you're best off copying the templates from the website server to the intranet server17:11
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Jiggiexdanger dont really know17:11
Jiggieagain been doing this for a week or so17:11
+MrHairgreasecopy the intranet stuff to your test server17:12
JiggieMrHairgrease where are they located17:12
Jiggiefolder wise17:12
Jiggieits on a redhat system17:12
+MrHairgreasein the dv17:12
+MrHairgreaseion the db17:12
Jiggieso i have to export that database17:12
Jiggiei was reading that yesterday17:12
+MrHairgreaseso copy the WebGUI tree of the intranet to your testserver17:12
+MrHairgreaseand do the same with the db17:12
Jiggiegive me a sec17:12
+MrHairgreaseget the testserver to work17:13
Jiggietestserver is up and running17:13
+MrHairgreasetry to upgrade your testserver17:13
Jiggieso i copy the webgui folder + subfolders17:13
Jiggietestserver is latest and greatest17:13
xdangerno, just the domains folder17:13
Jiggieintranet is very old17:13
+MrHairgreasecopypaste the style and page and whatnot templates from your website to the testserver17:13
+MrHairgreaseYI understand17:14
+MrHairgreaseWhat I say is:17:14
+MrHairgreaseDitch the webgui on your testserver17:14
+MrHairgreasecopy the intranet webgui stuff to your testserver17:14
+MrHairgreaseget it to run17:14
+MrHairgreasethen try to upgrade17:14
Jiggielet mesee if i got it correctly17:15
+MrHairgreaseif everything works on your testserver copy all the stuff back to the normal server17:15
Jiggiecopy from file:/data/webgui/ to replace the one on my test server17:15
xdangerthat will override your newer webgui also17:16
+MrHairgreaseThat is what he wants17:16
+MrHairgreasemake an exact copy of the current intranet on the testserver17:16
xdangerI thought that he wanted to upgrade17:16
+MrHairgreasebut in order tro upgrade...17:16
xdangerso no need to have the old version there17:16
+MrHairgreaseyou must at first have the version you want to upgrade from17:16
+MrHairgreaseoh i c17:17
xdangeronly the db and uploads folder =)17:17
+MrHairgreasexdabger is right17:17
+MrHairgreaseI meant that17:17
xdangerof course I am ;)17:17
* MrHairgrease is being a dumbass17:17
+MrHairgreaseoh lordi17:17
xdangerI'm quite good at upgrading webgui =)17:17
+MrHairgreasebe sure to read the gotcha.txt very carefullly17:18
+MrHairgreasealso purge the trash and cache before starting17:18
xdangerhave dragged some custom code from 6.0 till 6.8 in the upgrades =D and changed servers 4times17:18
+MrHairgreaseor you will end up with immense pile of crap17:18
xdangernicely put ;)17:18
+MrHairgreaseJiggie do you have custom code in there?17:18
xdangerhe doesn't know17:19
+MrHairgreasexdanger: you rather then me =)17:19
xdangeras he stated to my question about that matter17:19
xdangerMrHairgrease: well I learned a great deal of webgui in the process17:19
Jiggietrying to do everything give me a minute17:20
+MrHairgreaseI bet you did17:20
Jiggiei appreciate everything17:20
xdangerI'm not good at telling people what to do, I just usualy do a "I'll do that for you" move17:27
+MrHairgreaselater guys, going home17:30
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Jiggiedo you have time .. to walk me tru if you can17:31
Jiggiedont really want to break anything and want to learn as much as i can17:32
xdangerIf my girlfriend doesn't phone me home =)17:35
Jiggielets start from bottoms up17:35
Jiggiei have intranet with old version17:35
Jiggiei want to upgrade to new version and install the website's gui that we paid for ....17:36
Jiggietake a look invisioninc.com17:36
Jiggiei want the intranet to look like that, the website is also using a newer webgui17:36
Jiggieso what should i do first17:36
Jiggiethe test environment has the latest zip and go17:37
Jiggieredhat on intranet latest and test env has windows17:38
xdangerinstall the zip-n-go isn't up to date17:38
xdangerzip-n-go isn't up to date17:38
xdangerf*ck... sf.net down again... can't check what version the zip-n-go was running on..17:39
xdangermight be 6.717:39
xdangerthere was some problems running 6.8 on that...17:39
xdangerdo you have any linux dev boxes?17:40
Jiggiei guess i can find one,17:41
xdangeror install vmware player on the windows and linux in that and wre on that ;)17:41
xdangerbut you shuld get a test env that has the same version as the website (6.8.10?) and try to upgrade the intranet on that17:42
xdangerso you can test the upgrade and find out what it breaks ;)17:43
xdangeron the test enviroment you create some site (like localhost, or test.intranet.yourcompany.com) and install the intranet's database and uploads folder in that17:45
xdangerand then try doing upgrade17:45
xdangeralso gotcha.txt in the docs folder will help..17:45
xdangerbut, if you have custom code in there, you will have to update it by hand17:46
Jiggiefound a machine and rh Ent linux ES ver 4 disks17:46
Jiggiewill install the OS17:47
Jiggie« xdanger » but you shuld get a test env that has the same version as the website (6.8.10?) and try to upgrade the intranet on that17:47
Jiggiehow can i do that17:47
Jiggiejust set one up with that version and then exprot the intranet's database and import it onto that one to see what breaks17:48
xdangerand the uploads folder17:48
xdangerand run perl upgrade.pl --doit in the sbin folder =)17:49
Jiggiewill you be around later on17:53
Jiggieor tomorrow17:53
Jiggiei'm instralling rh on the system now17:54
Jiggiethen will install the webgui17:54
Jiggieand have a test running then do as you say17:54
Jiggiedo you have a website or something with instructions that i could follow17:58
Jiggieor recomendations17:58
Jiggieon what to read17:59
xdangerI don't think so..18:01
xdangerthis is not normal user manual stuff =)18:01
Jiggieno books either18:04
Jiggiethere is a business plan for you18:04
Jiggiepublish one and sell it18:04
Jiggiei'll definetly buy it18:04
xdangerI'll quote myself: 17:27 < xdanger> I'm not good at telling people what to do, I just usualy                  do a "I'll do that for you" move18:05
Jiggiei c18:05
Jiggiei'll move18:05
xdangerThe upgrade is this difficult only in 6.x "era"18:05
xdangerbecause of all the API changes..18:06
Jiggiewell i'm very new to this18:06
xdangerrapid development cycle going on..18:06
Jiggieand because the intranet is using 6.2 and extranet is 6.818:06
Jiggiemakes it worse or better18:07
xdangerI't get's easyer once we're at 7.018:07
Jiggiei hope so18:07
Jiggiewhen do you think it will be released18:07
xdangerthis summer...18:07
xdangerbut the upgrade to-7.0 will still be a difficult one, but not beyond that...18:08
xdangeratleast I hope so =)18:08
Jiggiecant wait, my boss in on my ass cause he could not even use the zip and go18:08
xdangerzip-n-go has 6.7.7 version of webgui18:09
Jiggiewhy is thi so dificult to follow or why arent the people that made webgui making a better tutorial18:10
xdangerremember to install 6.8.10 (not 6.99.1) and wre 0.618:11
Jiggiered hat is on disk 3 already18:11
xdangerIt's difficult because webgui is integrated to apache18:11
xdangerand wre helps with that...18:11
xdangerI use debian, because it can be installed in couple of minutes =)18:12
Jiggieso lets get started with the steps18:12
Jiggiewe dont ahve it here18:12
Jiggiei like ubuntu18:12
xdangerhave you check out: http://www.plainblack.com/docs18:12
Jiggiea millon time18:14
xdangerthere are some install documentation there..18:14
BaylinkJiggie: I feel your pain.  My first 5.5.7 install, two thanksgivings ago, toko me *3 weeks*.18:14
BaylinkCourse, the second one (6.8.7, WRE 0.6) took me about an hours.18:14
xdangerbut the documentation isn't always up-to-date 'couse the rapid development...18:15
xdangerwre helps a lot, but I don't like it...18:15
Jiggiedoes not help18:16
Jiggiered hat almost done18:19
Jiggiei will help when i learn18:19
Jiggiei dont think i'm the only one that cant do this18:20
xdangerthe reason I don't like wre is that it's not based on the systems packages managment18:20
xdangerI like the debian way ;)18:21
Jiggiei like debian18:21
Jiggiebut cant do much as the company own a few licenses of rh18:21
xdangerdon't like rh... never have...18:22
Jiggiedebian based are way better18:26
Jiggiei hate calling dell reps18:28
Jiggiethey really suck pupu18:28
xdangerpupu is bunny in finnish =)18:29
Jiggiered hat come with firefox as default browser18:35
Jiggiebut does not install it18:35
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BaylinkI'm not fond of it, xdanger, for the same reason.  but it *does* work.  :-)19:02
BaylinkOff to lunch.19:02
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bipolari've got an error in my apache log file:19:05
bipolar[Tue May 23 11:45:53 2006] [error] [client] failed to resolve handler `Apache2::SizeLimit': Apache2::SizeLimit at the moment works only with non-threaded MPMs at /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 50.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 97.\nCompilation failed in require at (eval 496) line 3.\n19:06
bipolarhas anyone seen this before/19:06
bipolarIt comes in when I try to access my webgui siyr19:07
bipolargrrr.... site19:07
bipolarstupid cast on my arm...19:07
xdangeryou could try prefork-MPM19:19
bipolarI'll give it a shot19:21
bipolarty. I didn't get a chance to try it, but I gotta go to a meeting :\19:22
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* crythias dances a bit21:10
Baylinkwhy dance?  I know why *I'm* dancing... I've joind the Crackberry Nation.21:24
+crythiasthumb callouses?21:24
BaylinkNot yet... :-)21:25
BaylinkI'm not stupid enough to do lots of email on a thumb board.  It'll be AIM and the web, for me, mostly.21:25
BaylinkHad a Motorola barbie laptop a few years back; learned.21:26
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SquOnkI've managed to install 6.8.9 and it works fine.23:46
SquOnkI've just been unable to get an IndexedSearch wobject to work.23:47
SquOnkIt shows up, but no matter what I try to search, no results at all.23:47
xdangerdon't even know if it really works..23:47
SquOnkI ran the runHourly.pl script and saw that it did not index anything.23:48
xdangerbut have you indexed your content?23:48
xdangerif I remember correctly it went beyond repair in 6.7-6.8 upgrade and there is a new search engine in 6.9923:48
SquOnkI ran it using the -verbose flag, and got "Found IndexedSearch_buildIndex" and then "IndexedSearch_buildIndex 0 WebGUI items indexed in 0 seconds."23:49
SquOnkBut that's it. There's nothing indexed in the databases.23:49
SquOnkxdanger: Have you tried the search engine in 6.99?23:51
SquOnkThat's the only thing preventing the project from going into production...23:52
xdangerSquOnk: if it's a public site, you could use an outsite search engine23:57
+crythias6.8.9 doesn't have search.23:59
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SquOnkcrythias: Well... it appears "disabled"00:00
xdangerdidn't someone release some hack that it would kinda work ?-)00:00
xdangeror was that for 6.700:00
+crythiassome have added third party searches...00:01
* crythias changes the subject saying that he created a gahooyoogle search plugin for firefox. 00:01
+crythiasI also updated my norton antivirus without subscription program :)00:03
+crythiasawk is cool. everyone should learn awk!00:04
SquOnkI checked sbin/Hourly/IndexedSearch.pm and found it was disabled...00:06
SquOnk...having a "return on entry". I commented it out, and afterwards the module was running yet it did not index anything.00:07
SquOnkFunny thing is, the comment above the return said "Disabled until 6.8" and this is 6.8.9 :-)00:07
xdangerSquOnk: yeah, search in 6.99 works ;) just tested it =)00:10
xdangeran it actually indexes word,and flash =D00:11
SquOnkxdanger: All right. I'll try it then.00:12
SquOnkxdanger: Is that 6.99.1?00:12
xdangerdon't use that in production enviroment =)00:13
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SquOnkxdanger: That is the problem: if search doesn't work, then the portal will not go into production00:20
xdangerI use a google search on one of our sites00:26
xdangerof you can use something like htdig00:28
SquOnkxdanger: I know. However the customer prefers to do everything through WebGUI00:32
xdangeryou could use a httpproxy for implementing the search "in" webgui00:32
xdangerI just use google, because every other search sucks ;)00:34
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jiggie_sorry other nick is a home17:53
jiggie_morning peoples17:54
+crythiaswell, I have support, so ...17:55
+crythiasBack to site stinks.17:59
jiggie_i downloaded the wre-0.7.0-rhel-4-i386.tar.gz------ do i need this,wrebuild-x.x.x-prereqs.tar.gz   --- if so where is it18:00
xdangeryou don't need that if you don't want to build it your self18:01
jiggie_sup xdanger18:01
jiggie_redhat fuly up now18:01
jiggie_going to follow the wre instructions now to install webgui18:02
jiggie_people new gui here, please help.... i'm here installing wre18:12
jiggie_/bin/chown: `mysql': invalid user18:12
jiggie_/bin/chown: `mysql': invalid user18:12
jiggie_Starting MySQL18:12
jiggie_MySQL Started18:12
jiggie_DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','root',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./setup line 25518:12
jiggie_Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 256.18:12
jiggie_followed the instructions unless something was missing18:12
xdangerdid you add the user "mysql" ?18:25
jiggie_did that and another error18:34
jiggie_had forgoten that part18:35
jiggie_i did this  adduser -s /sbin/nologin mysql18:35
jiggie_and it ran18:36
jiggie_now i just get  DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./setup line 30918:36
jiggie_Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 6.18:36
Baylinkjiggie_: that mysql.sock thing is something I had trouble with too.18:37
BaylinkI think the problem comes from having more than one my.cnf: it finds and reads them all...18:37
Baylink(MySQL does, that is)18:37
jiggie_i just read that on the site18:37
jiggie_how do i fix that18:37
BaylinkCheck your /var/lib/mysql and /etc directories, among other places. Kill off whichever one isn't correct.18:38
BaylinkRemember: WebGUI is an IndyCar; expect to need to know something about fueling, radio communications, and auto mechanics, in addition to being a good driver.18:38
BaylinkIf you don't know, expect to need to learn.  It's mostly expectation management...18:39
jiggie_i'm here to learn my friend18:39
jiggie_so i can help after.18:39
jiggie_my mistake was to log in as user not as root18:43
BaylinkThat's one, yeah.  :-)18:45
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Jiggie_were was that file again18:56
Baylinkmy.cnf, and it can be in many places; that18:58
Baylinkis the problem.18:58
Jiggie_it should be the ones modified today right18:59
Jiggie_what should i do with that19:00
BaylinkI posted something on the WebGUI forums about this when I had the problem; that's probably your best place for details.  Lunch calls to me...19:01
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+crythiashmm.. /etc19:53
+crythiasdon't mess with people on digg. they'll eat you up.20:08
+crythias'cause they're hungry after MJ use.20:08
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Jiggie_xdanger are you back21:30
Jiggie_crythias  can you help with this error21:31
Jiggie_i sen th epost but it does not quite say what the solution is or how to fix it21:31
Jiggie_you answered it21:31
Jiggie_DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to lo cal MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./se tup line 30921:32
Jiggie_Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 621:32
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Jiggie_can you help me with something21:39
Jiggie_is this command correctly  chown -R mysql /var/db/mysql21:50
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@snapcountthat command will change the ownership to mysql recursively23:27
@snapcountit's a bit out of context though, I have no idea what's going on =)23:27
Jiggie_i have a small issue23:40
Jiggie_i just installed redhat es 423:40
Jiggie_and i think mysql comes pre-installed23:40
Jiggie_so i think maybe that's whats cusing the error23:40
Jiggie_DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to lo cal MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./se tup line 30923:41
Jiggie_Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 623:41
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@snapcountps aux | grep mysqld00:25
@snapcountit it's running out of /usr/local/*00:25
@snapcountthen you're right00:26
@snapcountand b/c they can't both use port 3306 it will break wre mysql00:26
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WyleyrabbitHi Everyone!19:20
WyleyrabbitI've just discovered webgui. I needed this thing years ago!19:22
bipolarI'm trying to upgrade from 6.7.3 to 6.7.4 and have this error:19:23
bipolarCan't call method "addRevision" on an undefined value at upgrade_6.7.3-6.7.4.pl line 202.19:23
bipolarI see one message in the fourm with this error in a diffrent upgrade version, but there are no replys to it.19:23
Wyleyrabbitso can anyone comment on how this compares with drupal?19:24
bipolarWyleyrabbit: I've never used Drupal, so I can't comment19:24
bipolarhmmm.... it looks like all the upgrades are now done though perl, so I cant try to run the raw sql commands either :(19:25
WyleyrabbitOf the CMS systems I've seen and played with, Drupal seems to be the best of the bunch. BUT, it's PHP-based and I'm not a php guy (although I suppose I could learn); I've been programming in Perl for years.19:26
cheecheeoWyleyrabbit: have you tried the demo?19:28
Wyleyrabbitcheecheeo, trying it now. It looks good.19:28
WyleyrabbitI like the fact that the demo uses CSS and not "table-hell"19:29
Wyleyrabbit(unlike Joomla/Mambo)19:29
bipolardrupal seems to be more geared toward a news style site.19:29
Wyleyrabbitthe sites that I do are typically small public company sites. They generally have project info, basic photo galleries, news releases, financials, and the standard contact us stuff.19:30
bipolarguys.... here is the complete error: http://pastebin.com/73734419:31
bipolarhas anyone seen this before/19:31
cheecheeobipolar: nope19:32
bipolarhmm.... can I still get the upgrade .sql files somewhere?19:33
xdanger 19:33
bipolar 19:34
bipolarthey are all .pl files now :p19:34
bipolarWyleyrabbit: since you're a perl hacker, can you look at that upgrade file and tell me what the heck it's talking about? :)19:35
bipolarI sure hope I don't have to rebuld my site to upgrade :(19:40
Wyleyrabbitbipolar, whoever said I was a hacker?19:41
cheecheeobipolar: I think it's saying that the argument to addRevision ($template) is undefined, but that doesn't make any sense because $template is defined right above the call to addRevision19:41
cheecheeobipolar: try adding 'die "Busted\n" if !defined({template => $tempate});' on line 201 and see what happens19:44
cheecheeoand, i don't think we need the '\n' in the die string19:45
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bipolarwow... this thing must be horribly, horribly broken.22:01
bipolaris there any way to test the database schema to make sure it has everything a specific version requires?22:02
bipolarI can't even edit pages22:04
bipolarI wonder what happened, and why it's still broken on all my backups.22:05
bipolarholy crap22:11
bipolarok. my webgui install thinks it's version 6.5.5 in spite of the fact that I installed 6.7.3 months ago.22:12
bipolarthe database was updated to 6.7.3 schema, but probbly incompletely22:13
bipolarI'm beyond screwed22:14
Wyleyrabbitbipolar, do you have a backup of the database?22:27
bipolarWyleyrabbit: I have backup after backup, but not that far back22:41
bipolarWyleyrabbit: looks like this happened in september22:41
bipolarand it's just now rearing it's head22:42
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bipolarI'm slowly but surely backing out half done changes.23:54
bipolarI got it to cleanly upgrade, it seems, to 6.7.123:54
bipolarbut upgrading to 6.7.2 breaks with that stupid "Can't call method "addRevision" on an undefined value"23:55
bipolarthe stupid thing is, the database gets marked as upgraded to 6.7.2 even though it's not.23:56
bipolarso if I try to run it again it tries to upgrade to 6.7.3!23:56
bipolarunless I go in an delete the 6.7.2 entry from the webguiVersion table23:57
bipolarfor this addRevision thing to come up in so many upgrade scripts must mean something23:58
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bipolarlol.... I fixed the old version of the site :p01:04
bipolarso at least I got something.01:04
* bipolar seems to like talking to himself01:04
bipolardoes anyone here have a working install of 6.6.5, or a database backup from that version?01:12
bipolarholy shit. I think it's fixed. I was able to upgrade the database cleanly all the way up to 6.8.901:57
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bipolarwell... it's half working...02:48
bipolardoesn't seem to be parsing the extras, so all my images are missing02:51
bipolarthe admin console has no formating whatsoever. it's all text.02:51
bipolarI guess thats the failsafe style.02:52
bipolarI think it's related to the missing extras02:53
bipolarsince the admin console style gets it's javascripts from the extras folder.02:54
bipolarforgot the /extras alias :)03:08
bipolarwell, it took me 7 hours or so to get it all fixed.03:26
bipolarbut I gotta say, when it's working well WebGUI is a beautiful thing.03:27
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-!- rizen changed the topic of #WebGUI to: Community IRC Day: Let us know what you think the rough edges in WebGUI are.03:56
@rizenanybody here?04:02
* snapcount raises his hand04:03
@rizenperhaps we should wait a minute or two more04:04
@rizento see if anyone else shows up04:04
@rizenor wakes up04:04
@rizeni wonder why all these people keep a connection open here and never do anything with it04:05
@snapcountit's cool to hang out in #webgui04:05
bipolarit's time got me to go home, finaly. 9pm here :\04:05
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@rizengained one04:06
Radix-wrkMorning :)04:06
@rizenlost one04:06
@rizenwhere are you radix?04:06
Radix-wrkPerth, Western Australia04:06
@rizeni was hoping someone from oz would show up04:07
@rizenthat was the whole reason i scheduled a chat for 8pm my time04:07
@rizencuz it's morning in oz04:07
Radix-wrkAhh.. cool :)04:07
Radix-wrkYeah, I've been jumping on here daily hoping I'd catch one of the irc days :)04:07
@rizenare you here for the rough edges chat?04:07
Radix-wrkWell.. we're still using 6.8.10, but dead keen to move to 7 when the rough edges have been worked out04:08
@rizenit looks like there's only going to be three of us participating in this chat today04:08
@rizenthe rest are zombies04:08
Radix-wrkI've been trying to set up a mirror of our site on another machine lately so I can test it out, but been too busy of late unfortunately04:09
@rizenHere's what I'm looking for. I'd like to know where you think the rough edges are in WebGUI. What are the parts of the UI that you fumble with?04:10
@rizenWhat are the processes that you just don't grok?04:10
@rizenor that aren't intuitive04:10
Radix-wrkWell.. I haven't played with 6.99 much to be honest04:10
@rizenthat's ok...a lot carried over from 6.804:10
Radix-wrkso if you just count my 6.8.10 knowledge.. I'd say image handling is one04:10
@rizenhow so?04:11
@rizenwhat about it?04:11
@rizenand do you have any suggestions for what we could do to make it better?04:11
Radix-wrkadding images from the tinymce editor is great, but they link directly to the images (which means you can't go and change the central image and have it update)04:11
Radix-wrkif it used an assetproxy to do it that'd make life so much easier04:12
@rizena couple of things toward that end04:12
@rizenthere's now a switch in the config file04:12
@rizenthat you can turn on04:13
@rizento have webgui reference image urls via asset url rather than storage url04:13
Radix-wrkthat would be perfect04:13
@rizenit's harder on the serrver that way04:13
@rizenbut you can enable it04:13
Radix-wrkyeah, I can understand that.. more redirection04:13
@rizento your suggestion about assetproxy04:13
@rizenwe can't do that, because javascript can't render the image04:14
@rizenit would just show up as a macro if we did that04:14
@rizenor are you saying that would be ok?04:14
Radix-wrkwell the average joe user doesn't want assetproxies.. I've just found it's the only way around the image url issue04:15
@rizenyeah...i think in your case, the switch we talked about would be better04:15
Radix-wrkbut if you've got that config setting that would be fine - assuming the tinymce editor will then use that04:15
@rizenyup it does04:15
@rizenanything else?04:16
@rizensince it's just you and me, you pretty much get an open ear for your needs04:16
Radix-wrkworkflow and revision control I want to learn more about - so hoping they're well documented in the webgui manual online when I get to it :)04:17
Radix-wrksearch is working in 6.99 now isn't it?04:17
Radix-wrkcool.. that's been my other biggest gripe :)04:17
@rizeneverything that was broken in 6.x is now fixed04:17
@rizenor is on the bug list to be fixed before the 7.0.0 release04:18
@rizenit's mostly all fixed though04:18
Radix-wrkOh.. RunHourly04:18
@rizenit's been replaced with the workflow engine04:18
Radix-wrkokey... hopefully that will resolve some of the issues I was having then..04:18
@rizenwhat issues were you having?04:19
Radix-wrkgot a huge webgui project here that has been built up from 5.8.8, and I was never able to delete the items from the trash04:19
@rizenthat's no good04:19
Radix-wrkif I did so the whole site became unstable.. like there where crosslinked stuff04:19
@rizenthat should have always been working04:19
Radix-wrkI reported it a while back on sourceforge.. but go no response04:20
Radix-wrkit's been kinda annoying as we couldn't re-use urls04:20
@rizenyeah, i can imagine04:20
@rizenthough this isn't technically a support session04:20
@rizeni recommend setting up your site on another box04:20
@rizenthen deleteing all the trash04:20
@rizenand working out the kinks on that box04:20
@rizenthe trash shouldn't be able to do what you're saying04:21
@rizenbut if it is04:21
Radix-wrkyeah.. don't have a spare box - but going to set up a mirror on virtualpc and hopefully use that as a testbed04:21
@rizenyou'll want to work through it in a non-production environment04:21
Radix-wrkWell we love webgui.. and very much looking forward to 7 here.. just waiting for it to be stable :)04:22
Radix-wrkshame I didn't have a chance to try upgrading our setup on a mirror like I'd planned before this talk04:23
@rizenJuly 104:23
@snapcountyou can also try it out on demo04:23
@rizenYou can try out the beta at http://demo.plainblack.com04:24
@rizenit's not your environment04:24
@rizenbut at least you could see how things work04:24
@rizenradix, what is the url of your site?04:24
Radix-wrkyeah, but its always a bit different when you have several thousand users and using so many facets of webgui tho :)04:24
@rizenindeed it is different04:25
@rizenyou know, it amazes me the number of australian webgui users04:25
@rizenthere are04:25
Radix-wrkIt's our public website, but also have sections for users, distributors, extranet, etc..04:25
Radix-wrkusing database linking to look up user permissions04:25
Radix-wrkNeed an aussie webgui conference04:26
Radix-wrkso sad I missed the one last year04:26
@rizenif there was a big enough user base demanding it04:26
@rizeni'd come down there and do it04:26
Radix-wrkwell put one vote down for us here :)04:26
@rizenthere are a lot of webgui users in oz04:26
@rizenbut not a lot of peeps using our services from oz04:27
@rizenthat's what makes me think there wouldn't be much of a demand for a wuc04:27
@rizenbtw...if you were ever going to come to the states for a wuc04:27
@rizenthis would be the year to do it04:27
@rizenthis year's wuc is going to be HUGE04:27
Radix-wrkJust give me some notice before it happens and I'll be there04:28
@rizenSeptember 13-1504:28
@rizenLas Vegas04:28
@rizenthe site's already up: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc04:28
Radix-wrkwow.. cool.. will have to book that in with the boss then04:28
@rizenwe'll start taking orders for tickets to thw wuc next month04:28
@rizenwhich i guess is only a week away at this point04:28
Radix-wrkCheers.. well that I will do.  I also need to organise a whole perl course so I can get my perl skills up to speed04:30
@rizenwe have two or three perl classes at the WUC this year04:30
Radix-wrkI'm a C++ programmer by trade, so I can tweak with perl a bit, but very much a novice at anything more complex04:30
Radix-wrkEven better04:31
@rizeni'm a bit disappointed we didn't get more people on tonight04:31
@rizenbut i'm glad you came on04:31
@rizenalways nice to meet a new user04:31
Radix-wrkCheers.. nice to meet you also.. you've been very helpful04:31
Radix-wrkLooking forward to the WUC now too04:32
@rizeni hope you come04:32
Radix-wrkI'll definitely be there04:32
Radix-wrkno doubt about it04:32
@rizenthat's awesome04:32
@rizeni guarantee you wont' be disappointed04:32
@rizenroy, do you think we should hang out here and see if other people show up04:33
@rizenor should we call this one dead, early?04:33
@rizeni guess you're not even paying attention04:34
Radix-wrkOh..your print layout doesn't work for that wuc page btw ;)04:34
@rizenoh yeah?04:34
@rizeni'll have a look04:34
@snapcounthad to take the puppy out04:35
@snapcountyeah I think we can wrap this one up04:35
Radix-wrkHmm.. both sessions in the WUC look good.. how to choose!04:35
Radix-wrkany chance of getting a video of the event in both rooms?04:36
@snapcountbring another person and attend both =)04:36
@rizensorry..no chance of that04:36
Radix-wrkone person we could afford.. but this is from oz remember.. airfares are hideously expensive04:36
@rizenwe looked into getting the sessions taped04:36
@rizenand published04:36
@rizenbut it was very expensive04:37
@rizenwe'd never make back the money04:37
Radix-wrkyeah.. fair enough I suppose04:37
Radix-wrklaptop with webcam would be enough tho :)04:37
@rizenbring a video camera and record it04:38
@rizenwe have every year, but the video quality is useless04:38
@rizenit's too dark to get a good image04:38
@rizenanyway...talk to you at the wuc if not before then04:39
Radix-wrkthanks :)04:39
@snapcountnight vision would make for a cool video04:39
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cheecheeodoes anyone here run webgui on ubuntu-server? if so, what kind of success have you had?08:00
Radix-wrkI use debian08:03
cheecheeoRadix-wrk: it works well?08:05
cheecheeoalso, do you use the WRE or do you install from source?08:05
Radix-wrksorry.. was afk there for a bit08:18
cheecheeono problem08:18
Radix-wrkI use debian here at work.. it's awkward getting the right config of packages setup - bit of a shame that webgui uses so many esoteric packages that aren't mainstream08:18
Radix-wrkonce setup right tho it's great being able to apt-get when you get security issues08:18
Radix-wrkI've found that I've needed to use debian testing prettymuch tho.. not debian stable08:19
Radix-wrknot tried wre yet.. about to do so actually08:19
Radix-wrksetting up a virtualpc debian config and going to try the wre and then test upgrading our current 6.8.10 setup to 6.99.208:20
Radix-wrkapt-getting binaries is so much nicer than building everything from source tho I reckon08:21
cheecheeoRadix-wrk: right, but i think we want to be able to just download a tarball, untar, build, and have it work rather than having to hunt down packages where i'm working. but thanks for the tips, i'd rather use a debian splinter than centos but that's just because i know debian better. But where ever the WRE works best on an x86_64 arch is where we'll end up going.08:23
cheecheeoi know suse and gentoo don't work too well with the wre on x86_6408:24
cheecheeolooks like it doesn't work too well with RHEL either according to the forums08:26
Radix-wrkit didn't work with debian ages ago either.. back when I tried one of the first implementations of it - wre 0.x or something iirc.. just about to give it a go now on debian sid, so will let you know how I go08:31
cheecheeoRadix-wrk: that's cool, thanks08:32
Radix-wrknup.. wre 0.7 doesn't seem to work on debian - unless I've not installed a particular dev util somewhere08:37
cheecheeoRadix-wrk: hmm, lame, what was the error?08:40
Radix-wrkheaps of make: *** No rule to make target clean' stop and make target distclean08:52
Radix-wrk./build.sh: line 51 cd ../modperl-2.0.2: No such file or directory08:52
Radix-wrkcd perl/modules: no such file or directory08:52
Radix-wrkcd ../libapreq2-2.0.7 - no such file or directory08:53
cheecheeothat doesn't sound right08:53
Radix-wrkit continues on.. then comes up with WRE ERROR: lftp Configure did not complete successfully08:54
cheecheeothat is what should be displaying, because before every full build, it tries to clean out everything08:54
cheecheeobut the lftp config failure, what caused that?08:55
Radix-wrklooks like it's doing a configure of something.. then just spits out that error08:56
Radix-wrkcould be something missing on this system (it's a pretty bare debian install)08:56
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cheecheeoRadix-wrk: catch ya later09:21
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ckotilah, july 1st. awsome.18:38
ckotilso far im really enjoying using this cms. in the past ive used mambo/joomla. and I wanted to use it again for my current project. But it wouldn't cut it, the access control level just isnt there, and from what ive read it exists in webgui. in the form of workflow18:39
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+perlDreamersnapcount: ping19:46
@snapcountwow... now that's latency20:17
+perlDreameryou can say that again20:17
+perlDreamerI think I found what I was looking ofr20:17
+perlDreamerand then realized that it doesn't do what I want20:17
+perlDreamerI want to make a group node diagram20:18
+perlDreamerso that you can see your group structure20:18
+perlDreamerI had thought the tree view from the performance profiler would work20:18
+perlDreamerbut it wouldn't be the most efficient display20:18
@snapcountI see20:19
@snapcountI always find it easier to fix bugs when listening to country music for some reason20:41
@snapcount...find me a redneck girl... da da da20:42
+perlDreamerGraph::Easy::as_svg for a pure perl implementation20:49
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@snapcountperlDreamer: Paypal plugin is coming along nicely22:31
+perlDreamerGraph::Easy is way easy22:31
@snapcountthat makes sense =)22:32
+perlDreamerif only lvs'ing netlists in 3 different formats was as easy22:32
@snapcountdamn descriptive package names22:32
@snapcountI guess LVS::Easy isn't out yet22:32
+perlDreamerI'm still writing it ;)22:32
+perlDreamerhow about that buglist activity?22:32
@snapcountI haven't been following it22:33
@snapcountare you guys kicking ass22:33
+perlDreamerthere is kicking involved22:33
+perlDreamerwe're not doing it22:33
+perlDreamerhow's $school?22:33
@snapcountpretty easy actually22:34
@snapcountone class much better than 522:34
+perlDreameroh yeah22:34
@snapcounthowever $speed *= 3;22:34
@snapcountbut it's still better22:34
+perlDreamerseems like $dayJob + $school + $life > $day22:35
@snapcountthe equation balances when $sleep = 0;22:35
@snapcountremember that form control bug that was killing the editEventSave method in the EMS?22:36
@snapcountI never did fix it22:36
@snapcountand now I can't remember what the problem was22:36
@snapcountdo you remember?22:37
+perlDreamerIt's in the IRC logs for this channel22:37
+perlDreamerbut I don't remember where they are22:37
@snapcountme either22:37
@snapcountJT is trying to use the EMS and he's not happy that you can't add events =/22:37
+perlDreamerI've seen some bugs that support that.22:38
@snapcountI'm like, 'but it wasn't me... it was the one armed perl monger'22:38
+perlDreamerAndreas Katsulas?22:38
@snapcountsounds good22:38
@snapcountI find him guilty on all charges22:38
+perlDreamerYou should IMDB that name22:38
+perlDreamerit wasn't random22:38
@snapcountmovie database22:39
@snapcountohhh from the movie22:39
@snapcountthe fugitive22:39
+perlDreamerwith Harrison Ford and TL Jones22:40
* snapcount is moving up in the world22:40
@snapcountI've gotta figure this out... I'm falling behind on cooler projects that I'd rather be working on22:40
@snapcountbugs annoy me22:40
+perlDreamerthe EMS?22:40
@snapcountGod no22:41
@snapcountI'm so over that thing22:41
@snapcountit's a new LDAP Auth Feature for 7.122:41
+perlDreamerspeaking of things, do you know if Time::Tracker is done enough that I can document it?22:41
@snapcountno idea22:43
@snapcountthat's Frank's baby22:43
@snapcountre: EMS, when a wobject surpasses 100Kb it is officially a monster22:44
+perlDreamerwe're about to bust 12 Mb on the Help and the docs22:46
@snapcountthat's a good example of where bigger is better22:46
@snapcountmore docs is a very good thing22:46
+perlDreamerI agree22:47
+perlDreamerdo volunteers need job security?22:47
+perlDreamermore docs means more work for me22:49
@snapcountoh I see22:49
+perlDreamerespecially needing to chase the label checker22:50
+perlDreamerFrank found a new way to avoid it22:50
@snapcountI think as long as there is a WebGUI there will be work for perlDreamer22:50
@snapcountit seems the image form control is returning an empty array ref23:04
@snapcountwhen nothing is uploaded23:05
@snapcountwhich is fubaring the insert statement that setCollateral makes23:05
@snapcountthe column name is showing up as a value along with a null key/value pair23:05
+perlDreamerdon't you have to process the output of the form control via Storage?23:06
+perlDreamerso that you can store the Storage object?23:06
@snapcount$storageId = $self->session->form->process("image","image",undef,{name=>"image", value=>$storageId}) || '';23:06
+perlDreamerempty array ref probably evalulates as true23:10
@snapcountyeah it would23:12
@snapcountbecause it's scalar form is an address23:12
@snapcountI think anyway23:12
@snapcounthave to bust out the perl bible for that one23:12
+perlDreamerbut why is process returning an array ref?23:12
@snapcountI'm looking at it now23:12
@snapcountmy head is spinning23:28
+perlDreamerthe form handling is a little convoluted23:28
+perlDreamerfortunately, I've only had to deal with stuff at the beginning (the form code) and not the intervening stuff23:28
@snapcountI think I'm following what it's doing23:31
@snapcountbut I need to connect the dots23:31
+perlDreamerI'm in the middle of something, but if you want to bounce if off of me I'm open23:32
+perlDreameractually, if you know bash scripting i'll swap you time for an answer23:32
@snapcountactually JT told me to come back to it later23:41
@snapcountI'll take a rain check though?23:41
+perlDreameryou bet!23:41
@snapcountbut I do know bash23:41
@snapcountwhat's up23:41
+perlDreamerI'm having a make/bash conflict23:42
+perlDreamerI have a make list:23:42
+perlDreamerANALOG = analog io_is io_px_w io_px_s io_sns io_vdd io_vss ld_gain ld_gain_tmout OSC1 datapath PUMP_2790 data_eeprom prog_eeprom LVDDGEN vss_clamper tie_inherit io_ipud io_avss io_vin1 io_rxd io_txd sys_regulator2 io_vb OSC2 io_vin2 io_vx23:42
+perlDreamerand I want to do some bash on it:23:42
+perlDreamerfor file in $(ANALOG) do; touch $$file; done23:42
+perlDreamerbut bash doesn't like that23:42
@snapcountis it giving you an error?23:44
@snapcountI think that should be something like this23:45
@snapcountbut I can get the book out23:45
+perlDreamerthis is that I get: /bin/sh: syntax error at line 1: `touch' unexpected23:45
+perlDreamerand here's the command:23:45
+perlDreamerfor file in  analog.cdl  io_is.cdl  io_px_w.cdl  io_px_s.cdl  io_sns.cdl  io_vdd.cdl  io_vss.cdl  ld_gain.cdl  ld_gain_tmout.cdl  OSC1.cdl  datapath.cdl  PUMP_2790.cdl  data_eeprom.cdl  prog_eeprom.cdl  LVDDGEN.cdl  vss_clamper.cdl  tie_inherit.cdl  io_ipud.cdl  io_avss.cdl  io_vin1.cdl  io_rxd.cdl  io_txd.cdl  sys_regulator2.cdl  io_vb.cdl  OSC2.cdl  io_vin2.cdl  io_vx.cdl do; touch $file; done23:45
@snapcountis there supposed to be a semi after do?23:46
@snapcountlemme get the book, I can't remember syntax =)23:46
@snapcountone sec23:46
+perlDreamerI was whippin' out the man pages23:46
* snapcount busts out Unix Shell Programming, 3rd Edition23:47
+perlDreamersemicolon is in the wrong place23:48
+perlDreamerit should be like this:23:48
+perlDreamerfor file in file1 file2; do this; that; whatever; done23:48
@snapcountyou type faster than me =)23:49
@snapcountso you're good?23:50
@snapcountoff to LDAP land for me23:50
@snapcountI'll catch up with you re this image form control thing23:50
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cheecheeoperlDreamer: hey00:21
+perlDreameryo, cheecheeo00:21
+perlDreamerhow is jentoo?00:21
cheecheeoperlDreamer: strugglin', i have a question about the designer of sunset's website.00:23
+perlDreamerhow about messaging me?00:23
cheecheeoperlDreamer: sure00:23
cheecheeoperlDreamer: so i have my dtree menu displaying instead of the flex_menu2002 but it's not quite what I expected, do i need more depth to the site map?00:40
+perlDreamerin the navigation asset, set it to look deeper00:40
cheecheeoperlDreamer: okay00:41
cheecheeoperlDreamer: you want to know something really weird?00:55
+perlDreamercheecheeo: I just uploaded the flat help docs for 6.8.1000:55
cheecheeoperlDreamer: gvim seems to wrap text at 78 columns even though I don't have textwidth set or anything in my gvimrc ever heard of that?.00:58
+perlDreameris it creating multiple lines, or just wraping due to terminal width?00:58
cheecheeocreating multiple lines01:00
+perlDreamerno clue01:00
+perlDreamerI'd check out the vim docs at www.vim.org01:01
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cheecheeohow can i make it so that a page layout link is unclickable, but still shows up in navigation menus?02:30
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bipolaris there any reason why the files in extras are unaccessable unless logged into webmin?02:21
bipolarwait... it's not extras, it's uploads.02:31
bipolarseems to be a .wgaccess thing02:34
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walakianybody here?15:42
+luke___hi walaki17:33
walakihello luke___17:34
walakicould you help me with some advices?17:35
+luke___i can try it17:35
walakiwell, tx17:35
walakiI have to do a project before graduation, it is a very simple exam system and because my school has a webgui based e-learning thingy I need to do it with webgui17:36
walakionly two tipes of questions, simple choice and multiple choice17:37
+luke___ok :)17:37
walakiI'm sleeping with perl books and the survey.pm source coe under my pillow for weeks, but it's overwhelming17:38
walakiany general advice what should I do?17:39
walakiI can code in c fairly well, but I never done oo progs (my school system sucks)17:40
+luke___hm, what programming language you speak ? :)17:40
+luke___i think its better to use simpler wobjects like Article.pm to play with17:42
walakiwhat do you think about the time needed for make it work?17:43
+luke___what exactly ?17:43
+luke___(short-time away)17:44
+luke___so back17:48
walakithe two types of questions17:49
walakidding questions to the DB17:49
walakiexam with a few questions17:49
walakiquestions in the exam and the answers to the questions randomized17:49
walakiafter the exam a very simple result view, with points/max point, %, and the missed questions without the correct answers for exam takers, and detailed view for the instructor (question, exam taker's answer, corect answer, points)17:49
walakiexams should be exported to csv file (to make stats in excel)17:49
+luke___you can change the survey mode to quiz17:52
+luke___then you have Scores and %17:52
+luke___you can also export the responses17:52
+luke___which webgui version you use ?17:53
walakiyes I thought so, but I have to get individual results for the exam takers17:53
walakiold one: webgui-win32-zipngo-6.6.3.zip17:54
+luke___ok, i never used the survey.pm17:54
walakiok I just need general advice about how to make an assett, and how fast coud it be17:55
+luke___do you read this: http://www.plainblack.com/wobject_tutorial17:57
+luke___it´s a little bit outdated17:57
walakino, and tx17:58
+luke___OK :-) then check out this docs :)17:59
walakiyeah, I thought there will be a lot of help for an openc source system, but I haven't found17:59
walakiit's hard to find out everything from the source18:00
walakitx for your help, can I ask more later? (o:18:03
+luke___sure if i here, but this docs are very outdated !18:05
walakiI hope I can make it, I have two weeks, then I'm screwed )o:18:10
+luke___good luck :)18:19
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+perlDreameranyone home, I'd like to kick around some code ideas04:46
Radix-wrkI'm home.. but my knowledge of the code is non-existant ;)04:49
+perlDreamerIn 6.99, the Help system is inheritable04:50
+perlDreamerso that you show topics from one help topic in another04:50
+perlDreamer(to save clicks)04:50
+perlDreamerso how do you know WebGUI, then?04:51
Radix-wrkI just use it.. don't know much perl really.. just how to edit config files :)04:52
+perlDreamerthat's enough to use WebGUI04:52
Radix-wrkyup :)04:53
Radix-wrkLooks like I'll be at this WUC in las vegas this year - but man air-fares are expensive from here - AU$3k just for the flight04:54
Radix-wrkmaybe I'll learn a bit of perl at the conference :)04:55
+perlDreamerthe classes are really introductions, but they're good04:55
+perlDreamerit takes time to learn perl04:55
+perlDreameris AU Australia or Austria?04:55
Radix-wrkI'm a C++ programmer by trade04:55
+perlDreamerI'll be back in a bit, need to tickle my kids04:56
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jxmilleranyone here?06:31
jxmillerI want to make a forums page for my website any suggestions?06:33
Radix-wrkthe collaboration system will do forums nicely06:36
jxmillerhmm i will google that06:41
Radix-wrkerr.. it's inside webgui06:42
Radix-wrkI'm assuming you're using webgui - or you wouldn't be here, right?06:42
Radix-wrkthe collaboration system is an object in webgui - just add it to your page06:43
jxmillerI have no idea what webgui is06:47
jxmillerI was just looking for a good place to find some help with a channel search for "web" you came up06:48
Radix-wrkahh.. http://www.plainblack.com/webgui06:50
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+luke___hey :)16:48
walakiI am wondering where can I get API help16:48
+luke___you are using 6.8.6 ?16:48
walakifor there's an 404 error in pb site :16:49
walakiThe requested URL /downloads/builds/^WebGUIVersion;-^WebGUIStatus;/api/ was not found on this server16:49
+luke___yes, there are some broken macros16:49
walakitx for the link16:50
walakiI have read that there were serious changes in the API, so what do you suggest use this API docs to 6.6.3 or upgrade to 6.8.616:51
+luke___best is to upgrade to 6.99 and using the 6.99 api16:52
+luke___but I´m not sure that win WRE is running with 6.9916:52
+luke___if you using the 6.6.3 then read the 6.6 api16:53
walakitx, my gratidude will always haunt you (o:17:05
+luke___plz :)17:06
walakiI'm just curious. what do you use as a desktop system? I mean hw and sw.17:28
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walakipc/laptop/handheld? which OS?17:29
+MrHairgreaselinux of course17:30
walakihi to you too17:31
+luke___windows/mac as desktop - linux: server :-)17:32
+luke___hi Mr17:32
+MrHairgreaseI run linux as my desktop17:32
walakiwhat distrib?17:32
+MrHairgreaseI'm now on mandrake 10.117:32
+MrHairgreasebut it kinda sucks17:32
+MrHairgreaseit's old17:32
+MrHairgreaseI'm just too lazy to install something else17:32
+MrHairgreaseI'll probably switch to ubuntu some day17:33
walakiI bought my first laptop in last dec, and I use win, but I wanted to try some linux or maybe bsd?17:33
walakibut my pals who used *nix say it's a pain in the ass till yu get a worked out system17:34
+MrHairgreaseI don't agree17:35
+MrHairgreaseinstalling mandrake  went like this17:35
+MrHairgreaseinsert cd17:35
+MrHairgreaseclick yes17:35
+MrHairgreaseclick yes17:35
+MrHairgreaseclick yes17:35
+MrHairgreaseclick no17:35
+MrHairgreaseremove cd17:35
+MrHairgreasenot much more difficult than windows17:36
+MrHairgreasebut difficulty varies from distro to distro17:36
+MrHairgreaseI heard a lot good things about suse17:36
walakiyeah I've tried it, my first choice was mandrake for its posix compatibility, but that was on a desktop pc17:36
+MrHairgreasenever tried it on a laptop17:36
+MrHairgreaseI don't own one17:37
+MrHairgreaselaptops used to be a pita17:37
+MrHairgreaseI've heard17:37
+MrHairgreasebut I guess that if you choose the right laptop17:37
+MrHairgreaseit should be fairly easy17:37
+MrHairgreaseand you can also try knoppix17:37
+MrHairgreaseiit's a live cd distro17:38
walakiand I was sooo angry because I had to try a hundred apps before I found one that suited my wishes17:38
+MrHairgreaseno installing whatsoever required17:38
+MrHairgreasehunderds of apps?17:38
walakiand that went on and on, browser, file manager, ftp, IM, media player17:38
+MrHairgreaseFor me that's no problem17:39
+MrHairgreasethe same thing's true fro windows17:39
+MrHairgreasethere are hunderds of mediaplayers available out there\17:39
+MrHairgreasebut you should use what suits you best17:40
+MrHairgreasein my case it's linux17:40
+MrHairgreasesince I do a lot of dev stuff17:40
+MrHairgreaseand read mail, browse and watch movies17:40
+MrHairgreaseand play music of course17:40
walakiI tried some live distros with this laptop I have, but none of them worked correctly with the screen (1400x1050)17:40
+MrHairgreaseoh that could be17:40
walakialthough it's clevo, it's pure intel inside (o:17:41
+MrHairgreaseas I said I have no experience with linux on laptops17:41
walakiI see17:41
walakimaybe the problem is that I've geeked around with win apps I have high demands17:43
walakiand I need to do the geeking again with linux aps17:43
+MrHairgreaselinux provides high demand apps though17:45
+MrHairgreasegmplayer is a very good mediaplayer17:45
walakiluckily I use cross-platform open source apps as much as I can17:45
+MrHairgreaseI used those even when were still called netscape nbavigator17:45
+MrHairgreasealways liked em17:45
walakinetscape was good, but a bit slow17:46
+MrHairgreasethat's why firefox rocks17:46
+MrHairgreaseit's much better and faster17:46
walakialthough with adblock firefox isn't the fastest for sure17:46
+MrHairgreaseor maybe hardware has improved17:46
+MrHairgreaseI have collegues who swear by opera17:47
+MrHairgreasebut i can't use it17:47
+MrHairgreaseI'm used to the mozilla stuff for years17:47
walakiyeah, used to something makes you not want to change17:48
+MrHairgreaseI once made the step to vim17:48
+MrHairgreasefrom more regular editors17:48
+MrHairgreaseat fisrst it sucked17:48
+MrHairgreasebut after a day or so17:48
+MrHairgreaseI wouldn't trade it for anything else17:49
+MrHairgreaseand I'm more productive using it17:49
walakiI've tried vim too, not liked it and skipped17:49
walakibut everíbody says the same who use it17:49
+MrHairgreasethat's what I used to say to my collegues17:49
+MrHairgreasesame goes for Guinness17:49
+MrHairgreasethe first one is filthy17:50
+MrHairgreasebut after that you can't get enough =)17:50
walakiso I suppose I have to force myself one day17:50
+MrHairgreaseyou don't have to do anything17:50
+MrHairgreaseI'm just suggesting...17:50
+MrHairgreasethat change can be a good thing17:50
+MrHairgreaseeven if it seems to suck at  first17:51
xdangerwalaki: just have to correct something you said earlier, all linux, and windows and macos x are posix compatible ;)17:51
walakibut I do, I'm ahead of big changes in my life, and only becoming more efficient can help me through17:52
+MrHairgreaseI dunno what you do for a living17:53
+MrHairgreasebut if you're developing commandline stuff17:53
+MrHairgreasenothing beats linux17:53
walakixdanger: yeah you are right, I meant posix standard instead of posix compatible17:53
+MrHairgreasethat goes for developing in general btw17:53
+MrHairgreaseif you like guis check out eclipse17:53
+MrHairgreaseit's opensource17:54
+MrHairgreasehas tons of plugins17:54
+MrHairgreaseand is more of an ide17:54
walakitx, I will try17:58
snapcoun1os x baby!!18:06
xdangersnapcoun1: what do you use on osx?18:18
snapcoun1for dev?18:18
snapcoun1it's real heavy though but it's the best one I've found so far18:19
xdangeris it good?18:19
snapcoun1it's ok18:19
snapcoun1has a ton of features18:19
snapcoun1but I'm not into all that18:20
xdangeri'm still using a plain texteditor (subethaedit)18:20
snapcoun1I just like syntax checking and highlighting18:20
snapcoun1search and replace18:20
snapcoun1basic stuff18:20
xdangeris it free?18:21
snapcoun1Komodo is all I've found that will do syntax checking while you type18:21
xdangerI tested kodomo few year a go on windows..18:21
snapcoun1you can try it for 30 days18:21
snapcoun1then it's like 20 bucks18:21
snapcoun1for personal18:21
xdangerLiked it then, but didnät want to pay =P18:21
snapcoun1pro is like 20018:21
xdangermainly 'cos I don't have a credit card =)18:22
snapcoun1how do you live man?18:22
snapcoun1I use my card for everything it seems18:22
snapcoun1I rarely use cash/checks18:22
xdangerI have a "bank card", but that only works in finland18:22
snapcoun1oh I see18:22
xdangerI don't qualify for a visa =/18:23
+MrHairgreaseI don't have a credit card too18:23
xdangerthey grand me 100k euros mortage for my apartment byt no 1k for visa..18:23
+MrHairgreasejust go to the atm18:23
snapcoun1that's crazy18:24
+MrHairgreasefins are crazy18:24
+MrHairgreasehave you seen the songfestival18:24
snapcoun1MrHairgrease: I'm writing a Paypal asset for wG18:24
snapcoun1I'm about half done18:24
+MrHairgreasevery good18:25
+MrHairgreaseso I don't have to that anymore18:25
snapcoun1it will support express checkout18:25
snapcoun1well, I have to redo it all18:25
snapcoun1this is going to be a user contrib18:25
snapcoun1but when JT revamps commerce I have to put it in the core18:25
snapcoun1all my code18:25
+MrHairgreaseyou are completely rwrite the commerce part?18:26
snapcoun1no no18:26
snapcoun1JT is doing that18:26
snapcoun1well I'm sure I'll have to help18:26
xdangerwell, the reason I can't get a visa seems to be that we have compulsory military, and I haven't gone yet =/18:26
snapcoun1xdanger: fight or no credit18:27
+MrHairgreaseare you drafted in finland?18:27
snapcoun1I thought us Americans were insane18:27
+MrHairgreaseno worries18:27
+MrHairgreaseyou are18:27
xdangerit's not drafted... you don't have any choise =)18:27
xdangerwe'll we are a small nation...18:28
xdangerin people, not in area...18:28
+MrHairgreaseI thought that was the idea when being drafted18:28
xdangerread more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces18:28
+MrHairgreasethat it is compulsory18:28
snapcoun1well normally a draft is temporary18:29
+MrHairgreaseIn holland we trew that insane rule out 15 years ago or so18:29
snapcoun1I think he means it's like that always18:29
+MrHairgreasetemporary but compusory right?18:29
snapcoun1yeah, in the US if you're drafted you have to go18:29
snapcoun1but it takes a lot to instate a draft here18:29
xdangerwe'll holland isn't next to russia...18:30
snapcoun1we have enough people that like to blow stuff up voluntaraly here18:30
+MrHairgreaseso you are gonna defeat the russian army18:30
xdangerwe don't say that out loud, but that's why we still have conpulsory army =)18:30
snapcoun1oy commrade18:30
+MrHairgreasea bit cynical are we not?18:31
+MrHairgreasehey man18:31
+MrHairgreasewho's living next to germany =)18:31
+MrHairgreaseno offence to any germans btw18:31
xdangerthere is some difference =)18:31
+MrHairgreasethe germans started the 2nd ww18:32
xdangerwe were a playpawn in the goldwar =/18:32
+MrHairgreasethe russians helped ending it18:32
+MrHairgreaseso I'm the one who should be scared18:32
xdangerand russia violates our airspace from time to time...18:32
+MrHairgreaseok ok ok18:33
+MrHairgreasejoins your fricken army =)18:33
xdangerdon't want to =(18:33
xdangerhave too much to do18:33
xdangerbut soon I'll have to... getting to old..18:33
snapcoun1so the only penalty for not joining the military which you have to do is that you can't get a visa?18:34
+MrHairgreaseI can imagine18:34
snapcoun1I think I'd find a way to live without the Visa card =P18:35
xdangerI also can't get a passport for longer that 1 year at a time..18:35
+MrHairgreaseI'm glad I'm living in Holland18:35
snapcoun1run while you can18:35
xdangerAnd if I refuse to go, they throu me in jail for 13months18:35
+MrHairgreaseIn holland18:35
+MrHairgreaseif you refused18:35
snapcoun1join the military18:35
+MrHairgreaseyou had to pamper old people18:36
xdangerthat is an option too..18:36
+MrHairgreaseor some other community service thing18:36
+MrHairgreaseit;s true18:36
xdangerA universal male conscription is in place, under which all men above 18 years of age serve from 6 to 12 months. 18:36
xdangerAlso a 13-month-long non-military service is possible. As of 1995, women were permitted to serve on a voluntary basis.18:36
+MrHairgreaseso go live on the Aland islands18:37
+MrHairgreaseor become a Jehova's witness18:38
snapcoun1time for more code... mmm... code18:38
+MrHairgreasewhy are the Åland inhibitants exempt?18:38
xdangerautonomous, demilitarised, monolingually Swedish-speaking administrative province of Finland.18:39
xdangerAs a part of our peace treaty to soviet union it has been demilititarised..18:40
xdangerups, typos again18:40
xdangerand autonous, for some f*cking reason that I really don't give a damn..18:40
xdangerou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Åland#Autonomy_of_.C3.85land18:42
xdangerso, I did give a damn =)18:42
+MrHairgreasethe link does not work18:42
+MrHairgreasetoo bad18:42
+MrHairgreaseI'll look it up some day18:42
xdangerthere's a link on the military page18:42
xdangerto that same page18:42
+MrHairgreaseno that is some modern finnish history18:43
xdangeryeah =)18:43
xdangerthere is so much better rock bands in finland!18:44
+MrHairgreaseProlly yeah18:44
xdangerever heard of HIM or The Rasmus or Nighwish ?18:44
+MrHairgreasebut I don't like it18:44
+MrHairgreaseI'm more into punk, rockabilly and pshychobilly stuff18:45
+MrHairgreaseand ska of course18:45
+MrHairgreaseI know a lot of people that do like nightwish though18:45
+MrHairgreaseyou are a fan?18:45
xdangerI only consider my self a Queen fan, but I like alot of different kind of bands..18:47
xdangerhave listened to them from the first album, so in some standarts, that would be a definition to fandom =)18:48
+MrHairgreasegotta go guys18:51
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