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| +MrHairgrease | so matt | 15:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | what;s up? | 15:49 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey guys | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you celebrate labor day? | 17:07 |
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| xdanger | yeah, by not doing any labor ;) | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | frickin commies! =) | 17:16 |
| @pbmdawg | is today labor day? | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | YEah supposedly | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Joeri just told me | 17:16 |
| @pbmdawg | labor day is in September | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | no man | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is today | 17:17 |
| @pbmdawg | in USA it's in September | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | must be the timezones | 17:17 |
| Baylink | I suspect it's because the holiday means different things to different people. | 17:45 |
| @pbmdawg | :) | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's no holliday in Holland | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | evrybody here just works | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Anybody who wants to POD the new graphing stuff? | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I pretty much have had it with doing that =) | 17:47 |
| Baylink | Work? Aiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeee! | 17:47 |
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| +MrHairgrease | typical... | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:48 |
| Baylink | :-) | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 18:38 |
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| +crythias | am I reading something right? | 21:32 |
| +crythias | pbmdawg | 21:32 |
| @pbmdawg | crythias | 21:33 |
| +crythias | heya | 21:33 |
| @pbmdawg | what are you reading | 21:34 |
| +crythias | $420/year to host with plainblack *and* I get the $500 support? | 21:34 |
| @pbmdawg | yep | 21:34 |
| @pbmdawg | heh | 21:34 |
| +crythias | my brain is a little slow. | 21:34 |
| +crythias | sometimes. | 21:34 |
| +crythias | especially when I don't see things side by side. | 21:35 |
| +crythias | well, um... ok, Would I need to upgrade my site to 6.8.latest and would I be able to port it to plainblack.com? | 21:35 |
| @pbmdawg | depends on what version it is now | 21:36 |
| +crythias | 678 | 21:36 |
| +crythias | I've been lazy | 21:36 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah; roy will upgrade it for you | 21:36 |
| +crythias | Can I host multiple domains on one account? | 21:37 |
| +crythias | hee | 21:50 |
| +crythias | "MC Escher" --"He's not a true emcee" What? is he a sucka emcee? | 21:50 |
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| * crythias skids by... | 22:07 | |
| +MrHairgrease | hey dude | 22:07 |
| +crythias | greetings | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | how's life | 22:07 |
| +crythias | not bad not bad. | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | very good | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | matt | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | [ 1475206 ] admin's create new user form displays self's profile | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | that bug does not reproduce | 22:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you confirm? | 22:24 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 22:32 |
| @pbmdawg | 6.99? | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:32 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah; it must be my browser auto-populating or something | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | latest svn update | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 22:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | shall i close it? | 22:32 |
| @pbmdawg | sure if you're sure you can't reproduce (add stuff to admin's profile first) | 22:33 |
| @pbmdawg | then try | 22:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i did | 22:33 |
| @pbmdawg | oh ok | 22:35 |
| @pbmdawg | thanks | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's labor day after all =) | 22:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | another question: should it go into the changelog? | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's not actually a bug after all.. | 22:48 |
| @pbmdawg | nope; just close | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 22:49 |
| +crythias | hee | 23:07 |
| +crythias | If at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you. | 23:07 |
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| xdanger | interesting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari... | 14:04 |
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| nbcccorp | what is a comment char in the webgui site .conf files? | 16:32 |
| xdanger | # | 16:36 |
| xdanger | isn't it "allways" # | 16:36 |
| nbcccorp | well... sometimes it's ; or ' or /* or // | 16:37 |
| nbcccorp | thanks though. | 16:38 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hey Martin :) | 17:22 |
| wouter_procolix | and hi everybody of course :) | 17:23 |
| +crythias | hi | 17:23 |
| wouter_procolix | Does someone know what $dt->monthCount should return? | 17:23 |
| wouter_procolix | for example if start = January 31 and end = February 1 ? | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter! | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | doesn't the pod say what it should do? | 17:24 |
| wouter_procolix | POD: "Returns the number of months between the start and end dates (inclusive)." | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | So, "February 1" minus "January 31" is 0-2 days, depending on the time. | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | But how many months is that? | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case it should return the number of months between the start and end date | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | 0, or 1, or 2? | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2 | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess | 17:25 |
| +crythias | 2? | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | Okay, then it's wrong, because it does: | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | _inclusive_ | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | my $duration = $end - $start; | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | return $duration->delta_months; | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | so that's jan, feb | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | 2 months | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | Oh | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I would say that too. But than you can't do "$end - $start", that makes no sense. | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | But how do you define a month | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | it can be 28 29 30 or 31 days | 17:26 |
| +crythias | it'd be 0 or 1 | 17:26 |
| +crythias | likely 1 | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | The code agrees with crythias | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | but the pod isn't | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is it used for? | 17:27 |
| +crythias | it doesn't care about days. | 17:27 |
| +crythias | Feb-Jan=1 month | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I mean where is it in use | 17:28 |
| wouter_procolix | Yes, but is the code correct? In that case I would have to use another function or implement my own one. | 17:28 |
| +crythias | The code is correct, likely, because the *general* usage is months in the sense of calendar, not in groups of 30 days. | 17:29 |
| Baylink | Based on that original definition, it's undefined. Date math has to include a year | 17:30 |
| +crythias | well, yes, I assumed within the same year, but you're correct. | 17:31 |
| Baylink | Any function which does not must give undefined results. | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah the year is 2006 | 17:31 |
| Baylink | *even* if they're in the same year. | 17:31 |
| +crythias | and it's probably still using epochs to do math. | 17:31 |
| Baylink | Worst case, the function must assume "this year", and *say so* | 17:31 |
| wouter_procolix | Well in that case "31 Aug" - "31 Jun" is three months, while "31 Mar" - "31 Jan" is 2 months ??? | 17:31 |
| wouter_procolix | Oh no, that's not true. | 17:31 |
| wouter_procolix | That depends on how "delta_months" is implemented... | 17:32 |
| wouter_procolix | argh I'm confused. | 17:32 |
| +crythias | I agree. how are params passed? You say subtract first then get the answer? | 17:32 |
| Baylink | "how many months is it between two dates" is also undefined. | 17:32 |
| +crythias | where is it? | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | delta_months is a DateTime method right? | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | check the docs of DateTime | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | Yes. | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | Params are epoch. | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | there your answr lies | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | sub monthCount { | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | my $self = shift; | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | my $start = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | my $end = DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | my $duration = $end - $start; | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | return $duration->delta_months; | 17:33 |
| wouter_procolix | } | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess DateTime overloads the - operator | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | so whats the result of that? | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | DateTime::Difference or something? | 17:34 |
| wouter_procolix | epoch is just an integer, isn't it? | 17:34 |
| +crythias | epoch is integer, yes | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | no your substracting two objects | 17:34 |
| wouter_procolix | So the minus operator gives just the result in seconds. | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | DateTime->from_epoch( epoch => shift ); | 17:35 |
| +crythias | this is line 634 of WebGUI\Session\DateTime.pm, btw | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | is a constructor | 17:35 |
| wouter_procolix | Ah yes, I see it now. | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | So the behaviour of your sub is determined by the DateTime magic | 17:35 |
| wouter_procolix | okay. | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | in delta_months | 17:36 |
| wouter_procolix | I'll try to find the documentation of that. | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | Time to do the dishes | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've managed to postpone that tedious task for about a week and a half | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | But now I must do it | 17:36 |
| wouter_procolix | Yikes. Well, good luck. Have fun :) | 17:37 |
| * MrHairgrease is beaten by dirty pot's and dishes... | 17:37 | |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 17:37 |
| wouter_procolix | And thanks to all for the reactions. | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you working tomorrow | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | @procolix | 17:37 |
| wouter_procolix | Nope. | 17:37 |
| wouter_procolix | I'm working today :) | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | Have you seen my email about the perl workshop? | 17:38 |
| +crythias | my $dt = DateTime->new( year => 1066, month => 10, day => 25, hour => 7, minute => 15, second => 47, nanosecond => 500000000, time_zone => 'America/Chicago', ); | 17:38 |
| +crythias | sorry | 17:38 |
| wouter_procolix | Yes I have seen the mail. Maybe I'll go to it. It would be interesting for me I guess | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah sure | 17:38 |
| wouter_procolix | And not to far away :) | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I read we'll have to register before monday | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | or no free lunch | 17:39 |
| wouter_procolix | LOL | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | five miutes walk... | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | the free lunch part was meant literally | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | they have to order a week in advance or so | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm going afk to wash up | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:40 |
| wouter_procolix | bye bye | 17:40 |
| +crythias | delta_month doesn't appear in DateTime-0.30 | 17:41 |
| wouter_procolix | Hm, I'll check what version I have. | 17:41 |
| +crythias | that is to say... | 17:42 |
| +crythias | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime.pm | 17:42 |
| wouter_procolix | Hm, strange, I couldn't find it in the WebGUI files either. | 17:42 |
| wouter_procolix | Maybe in one of the DateTime::xxxx modules? | 17:42 |
| wouter_procolix | Ah: DateTime::Duration | 17:43 |
| wouter_procolix | sub delta_months { $_[0]->{months} } | 17:43 |
| +crythias | from_epoch( epoch => $epoch, ... ) This class method can be used to construct a new DateTime object from an epoch time | 17:44 |
| +crythias | from where did you get that? | 17:50 |
| wouter_procolix | The "sub delta_months" came from DateTime::Duration | 17:51 |
| +crythias | still.. | 17:51 |
| +crythias | I think the subtraction $end-$start is ... | 17:52 |
| wouter_procolix | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime.pm#Datetime_Subtraction | 17:52 |
| +crythias | yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss.nnnnnnnnn- | 17:52 |
| +crythias | yeah | 17:52 |
| +crythias | http://search.cpan.org/~drolsky/DateTime-0.30/lib/DateTime/Duration.pm | 17:53 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I'm just reading that page, but I can't find exactly what it does. | 17:54 |
| +crythias | I agree | 17:54 |
| wouter_procolix | I think that from "Feb 28" to "March 28" is 1 month. | 17:54 |
| wouter_procolix | And "March 30" to "April 30" is also 1 month. | 17:55 |
| wouter_procolix | But "March 31" to "April 30" is ambiguous than... | 17:55 |
| wouter_procolix | Is it 1 month? Or 4 weeks and 2 days? | 17:55 |
| wouter_procolix | brb | 17:57 |
| +crythias | checking | 18:00 |
| +crythias | unfortunately I am still running an old version. | 18:01 |
| +crythias | of WG. No DateTime. | 18:01 |
| +crythias | wow. | 18:02 |
| +crythias | DateTime isn't a trivial install | 18:02 |
| wouter_procolix | No, I did a WebGUI install a few weeks ago and also had some problems with DateTime :( | 18:03 |
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| +crythias | portinstall p5-DateTime :) | 18:04 |
| wouter_procolix | portinstall ? | 18:04 |
| Luke___ | hi | 18:04 |
| +crythias | completed. Yeah. portinstall is freebsd | 18:04 |
| wouter_procolix | ah. | 18:04 |
| wouter_procolix | hi @ luke | 18:04 |
| +crythias | weird. | 18:05 |
| Luke___ | somebody worked with matrix wobject ? | 18:05 |
| Luke___ | i can´t delete fields...:-) | 18:05 |
| wouter_procolix | @Luke: no, I have not used it yet. | 18:06 |
| +crythias | wouter: http://rafb.net/paste/results/uyHwrO92.html | 18:06 |
| +crythias | I think I did it right. | 18:06 |
| +crythias | returns .. zero? | 18:06 |
| wouter_procolix | Yes, returns 0. | 18:07 |
| +crythias | then it makes a hash from the - | 18:08 |
| +crythias | 30 may minus 31 march = 1 | 18:09 |
| Baylink | This is 7.0b1 stuff, guys? | 18:09 |
| wouter_procolix | It's about DateTime and DateTime::Duration, and yeah they're in WebGUI since version 6.99 or so | 18:10 |
| +crythias | 30 may minus 1 march -2 | 18:10 |
| +crythias | er | 18:10 |
| Baylink | Got it. | 18:10 |
| +crythias | 30 May minus 1 Mar = 2 | 18:10 |
| wouter_procolix | ??? | 18:11 |
| +crythias | try it out | 18:11 |
| wouter_procolix | That's unexpected... | 18:11 |
| wouter_procolix | Okay, so it's 2 months and 30 days. | 18:12 |
| wouter_procolix | And it returns just one element of the array... | 18:12 |
| wouter_procolix | In this case "2" months. | 18:12 |
| +crythias | check again | 18:12 |
| +crythias | 30 may minus 31 march is 1 | 18:13 |
| wouter_procolix | I did "May 31" minus "March 1" and that returned 2. | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not weird | 18:13 |
| +crythias | oh. | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | march april may | 18:13 |
| +crythias | oh. wait, yes, it would | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | two months and some days diff | 18:13 |
| +crythias | may 31 - march 1 is 2 | 18:13 |
| * MrHairgrease has quit doing the dishes | 18:14 | |
| +crythias | may 30 - mar 31 is 1 | 18:14 |
| wouter_procolix | 30 may minus 31 march is ambiguous, but it probably depends on some variable (I forgot the name) | 18:14 |
| * MrHairgrease wants to practice the sirtaki | 18:14 | |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 18:14 |
| wouter_procolix | wrap | limit | preserved | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | You can bet DateTime does it the correct way | 18:14 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah I trust that, I just want to understand what it does, so that I know if I can use that function. | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:15 |
| wouter_procolix | end_of_month_mode | 18:15 |
| wouter_procolix | Returns one of "wrap", "limit", or "preserve". | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | that seem a valid strategy | 18:15 |
| wouter_procolix | If you specify "end_of_month" mode as "preserve", the same calculation is done as for "limit" except that if the original date is at the end of the month the new date will also be. For instance, adding one month to Feb 29, 2000 will result in Mar 31, 2000. | 18:15 |
| wouter_procolix | Now that's weird, but I guess date math is just weird by definition :) | 18:16 |
| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/YTzksB26.html | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's no bigger pain than date math | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | think of it | 18:16 |
| +crythias | kidney stones. | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | months are not a unique length | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the length of a month can change depending on the year | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | those gregorians must have been on some serious drugs | 18:17 |
| wouter_procolix | Yes, but I expected/hoped that $dt->monthCount would return the number of different months are in the given interval. But that turns out not to be the case. | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:17 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, and then there's timezones and daylight saving time ..... ARGH! | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that you can figure out quite easily | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's always a constant number of months in a year | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | luckily | 18:18 |
| wouter_procolix | Anyway, the Events Calendar is working almost perfectly fine now :) | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | That's cool | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | It was kind of a mess | 18:18 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, you can say that. | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | to put it euphamytically | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | eufmistically | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | whatever | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can spell the friggen word in ducth | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | Luke | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | post your bug to the tracker on sourceforge | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I will have a look on it tomorrow | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | what version are you on? | 18:20 |
| Baylink | euphemistically | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | eufemistisch | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's how you spell it in dutch | 18:22 |
| wouter_procolix | http://www.vandale.nl/opzoeken/woordenboek/?zoekwoord=eufemistisch | 18:22 |
| +crythias | no, cluster foxtrot is a euphemism. a mess, is mildly, yet inadequately descriptive. | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't not know what a cluster foxtrot is | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm not entirely sure I want to know =) | 18:23 |
| +crythias | foxtrot is merely a word to indicate the letter "F" | 18:24 |
| * MrHairgrease is at a loss | 18:24 | |
| +MrHairgrease | please explain | 18:24 |
| +crythias | http://www.travel-images.com/alpha-zulu.html | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah I know _that_ | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | I meant the cluster F thing | 18:25 |
| +crythias | I'm being polite. | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | no need for that | 18:25 |
| +crythias | foobar | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm from rural holland | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:25 |
| wouter_procolix | He guys, I'm going to leave you now. See you later. | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye | 18:27 |
| wouter_procolix | And Martin, I'll mail you about the Perl thing. I'll have to check if I have time for it. | 18:27 |
| wouter_procolix | Are you goin? | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yups | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yung also goes i think | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | and maybe len | 18:27 |
| wouter_procolix | Okay, great :) | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll email them and then we'll see | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | Oh yeah | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | and we have to pry loose some money from our beloved employers =) | 18:28 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, see you later! | 18:28 |
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| +crythias | wow | 20:09 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 20:09 |
| +crythias | I've been at the top of google for a few searches, but I got a referal link from another site | 20:09 |
| +crythias | this regarding my pc anywhere with dynamic ip. | 20:10 |
| +crythias | I've gotten referral links from google and other search engines, and one mention from expertexchange to which I made a reciprocal link. | 20:11 |
| +crythias | And I have had some del.icio.us referals, but now I've received another link. :) yay. | 20:12 |
| xdanger | interesting... tinymce with finnish language and ie, doesn't work, but works in ff and safari... | 20:27 |
| xdanger | nice one | 20:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Len! | 16:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | Are you going to teh perl workshop? | 16:29 |
| lenthamen | hey martin ! | 16:32 |
| lenthamen | weet het nog niet... | 16:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | je schijnt voor maandag te moeten boeken | 16:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | anders geen gratis lunch... | 16:32 |
| +crythias | ooh. I heard free lunch | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | aint no susch thing | 16:33 |
| lenthamen | ow... Dan ga ik niet. Eind deze maand ga ik een week met de motor naar de dolomieten en ik ben thuis ook nog druk aan het verhuizen... | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | such* | 16:33 |
| +crythias | heh | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | jammer | 16:33 |
| lenthamen | jij gaat wel ? | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | waarheen ga je verhuizen? | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ja | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | yung ook | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | en wouter waarschijnlijk | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | je kan je ook na maandag nog inschrijven | 16:34 |
| lenthamen | hehe, intern verhuizen... er komt gezinsuitbreiding aan dus mijn werkkamer moet naar zolder :( | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh joh | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | hoe lang nog? | 16:34 |
| lenthamen | eind augustus uitgerekend... | 16:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | check | 16:35 |
| lenthamen | Dus ik kan ook niet mee naar las vegas _snik_ | 16:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | dat is wel jammer | 16:35 |
| lenthamen | baal als een stekker... | 16:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | maar de wuc is pas half september | 16:35 |
| lenthamen | hehe | 16:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | na twee weken kan je ega het toch wel weer aan? =) | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | dat krijg je ervan.... | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | van kerstmis dat is | 16:36 |
| lenthamen | Of van sinterklaas... | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | nu krijg ik allemaal beelden | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | dank je.... | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | je had je baard opgeplakt? | 16:37 |
| lenthamen | "Kijk eens wat sinterklaas voor jou uit spanje meegenomen heeft" :) | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | gast | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | toch niet een cadeautje? | 16:38 |
| lenthamen | pfff is het bij jullie ook zo fucking heet ? | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ja | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | en ik ben bezig met javascript | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | en pod | 16:39 |
| lenthamen | ow | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | dus het zuigt een beetje vandaag | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | js heeft dus geen block scoping heh | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ontzettend arelekst | 16:40 |
| lenthamen | heh dan heb je php nog niet gezien :D | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | dus nu werk ik met variabelen als: s_OdVKRthyqrb8GK_aDzqYzQ.setMaximum(100); | 16:40 |
| lenthamen | oei | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | psies | 16:40 |
| lenthamen | was je nog naar a'dam.pm geweest ? | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://rafb.net/paste/results/60VFNn28.html | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | check dat | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | adam.pm? nee | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | geen tijd | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | maar ik ga het dus goed maken op de perl workshop | 16:42 |
| lenthamen | Ik ga zo naar de surf winkel. | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | surf winkel? | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | borden enzo? | 16:44 |
| lenthamen | yep | 16:45 |
| lenthamen | ga een wetsuit kopen. | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | waarvoor | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | ben jij zo'n surferdude? | 16:46 |
| lenthamen | ik doe sinds kort 's avonds mee met de surfclub hier in almere.... | 16:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | is het nu wel lekkah weer voor | 16:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | mits het waait natuurlijk | 16:47 |
| lenthamen | precies.. heeft koen al een huis op de kop getikt ? | 16:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | hij is nog zoekende heb ik begrepen | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | fucking dordrecht... | 16:49 |
| lenthamen | Is webgui 7 echt 100x sneller ? | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | nou | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | 100x is misschien een beetje overdreven | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | maar het is wel sneller ja | 16:50 |
| lenthamen | ok :) | 16:50 |
| xdanger | is it possible to force a user to edit his/her profile on login ? | 16:57 |
| +crythias | I think it's possible if you have fields that are obligatory. | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | only on anon reg | 16:58 |
| +crythias | but *every* logon? | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | only anonymous reg | 16:58 |
| xdanger | I'm supposed to do a batch of user generation based on a the information in a CS, and there are some information missing | 16:58 |
| xdanger | Just would like to do that on the "next" login for everyone | 16:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that is not a wg feature | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want to do that you have to rig WebGUI::Auth | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | or WG::Auth::WebGUI | 17:00 |
| xdanger | I don't want that to happen to my other webgui sites =P | 17:01 |
| xdanger | on the same installation | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can imagine | 17:01 |
| xdanger | but yeah, that could work... | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | Maybe you can build a macro | 17:01 |
| xdanger | maybe someone would need this feature ? "forceUserToUpdateProfile" ;) | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | if user profiles are not complete it should redirect the user to op=editProfile | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can put that macro in your style | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | that should work. | 17:02 |
| xdanger | hmm... not bad... | 17:03 |
| xdanger | or a link with blinking red texti size 32px "Update your profile" | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:03 |
| lenthamen | maybe an SQL REport that checks if profile data is present, and if not it prints a <meta refresh> to ?op=editProfile ? | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that won't force em | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | I would go for the macro | 17:04 |
| xdanger | is there a macro to probe the profile data ? | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | not that i know of anyway | 17:04 |
| xdanger | damn... I think i'll make one then ;) | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you can use the api | 17:04 |
| lenthamen | ^User ? | 17:04 |
| lenthamen | ^User(someField); will give you the content of the profiel field "someField". | 17:05 |
| xdanger | a right... thanks | 17:05 |
| xdanger | if I add a hidden profile field kindof "lastUpdated" and check for that, then I wouldn't really need to create anything "new" | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | i dunno | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | if that would work that is | 17:07 |
| lenthamen | Martin: I thought someone @procolix was working on a "upload image" function directly in the html editor ? | 17:08 |
| lenthamen | Martin: or am I wrong ? | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think he already put it in | 17:09 |
| lenthamen | ok.. | 17:09 |
| Trebbor123 | Oh, that's cool. :) | 17:09 |
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| lenthamen | I'm going offline. ttyl. | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah it is =) | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok later | 17:11 |
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| Trebbor123 | MrHairgrease, where are you from? | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Delft | 17:16 |
| Trebbor123 | Ah, that's what I thought. Nederlands dus. | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Groningen | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | essentkabel.com | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | My brother lives there | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Haha, funny | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | My brother also. :P | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | well well | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | what a coincidence | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:19 |
| Trebbor123 | But what I was wondering. Do you use WebGUI's Pagetree plugin for TinyMCE often? | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't use timymce that much | 17:20 |
| Trebbor123 | Oh, okay. :) Nevermind then. | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just code and code and code =) | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it broken? | 17:20 |
| Trebbor123 | No, I didn't also before updating to 6.8 | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry? | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | pls explain | 17:21 |
| Trebbor123 | No, it's not. I only wondered why it only creates links to pages (or asseturl's actually) | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:22 |
| Trebbor123 | The reason I bring this up is because I get a lot of questions from co-workers about how to add a link to a file or image that's already inserted in WebGUI. | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the images do not show up in the asset tree? | 17:23 |
| Trebbor123 | So I was thinking (and adjusted it for myself) why not use the Pagetree function of WebGUI, rename it to External link, and let the pagetree be able to link to the files and images | 17:23 |
| Trebbor123 | They do, but if you insert them it will pass the asset URL not the real File or Image URL. | 17:24 |
| Trebbor123 | In my opinion you don't want that. :) | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | Well you do | 17:24 |
| Trebbor123 | Why? | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | but embedded in a FileUrl macro | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you insert the /uploads/bla/bla/etc url directly | 17:25 |
| Trebbor123 | That's also possible. This way the image or file can be changed without adjusting the url you mean. | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are not safe for versioning | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you change an image a new entry in the uploads folder is made | 17:25 |
| Trebbor123 | That's true. | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | therefore: use ^FileUrl; | 17:26 |
| Trebbor123 | That's a good tip. | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | It will save you lots of headache | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is a Good Thing of course | 17:26 |
| Trebbor123 | But I was wondering if I should post this as a contribution. Because I couldn't think of any reason why it should return assetURL's of files and images. | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | contribution where? | 17:27 |
| Trebbor123 | So that's why I asked if you use it often, so I could find out if more people need this. | 17:28 |
| Trebbor123 | To Plainblack? | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure why not | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | robbert: marc is leaving | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you check out the new intl tool? | 17:29 |
| Trebbor123 | Yep, I'm working on it right now. :) | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah very cool | 17:29 |
| Trebbor123 | No, it's hot. | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes it is | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | also in Groningen? | 17:29 |
| Trebbor123 | Good thing we have aircoditioning. | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | you lucky bastard | 17:29 |
| Trebbor123 | Even in Groningen. :) | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | we only have windows | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:30 |
| xdanger | I think I'm done for today... now I'm going to outside in to the sunshine and have some beer ;) | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | now that's a good idea | 17:30 |
| xdanger | It's something like 21 degs. of celsius | 17:30 |
| * MrHairgrease grabs a beer from the fridge | 17:30 | |
| +MrHairgrease | here it's about 25 or so | 17:30 |
| xdanger | 21.1°C | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | and very moist | 17:31 |
| xdanger | not a single cloud in the sky =) | 17:31 |
| Trebbor123 | Well, I'm also going then. Enjoy the weather. | 17:31 |
| xdanger | I'm going to a bar's terrace... Not quite sure how that's correctly said in english =) | 17:31 |
| Trebbor123 | Bye | 17:34 |
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| +MrHairgrease | later | 17:54 |
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| fdillon | howdy | 21:23 |
| +crythias | howdy | 21:38 |
| +crythias | new release of webgui without announcemnent? | 21:43 |
| fdillon | ? | 21:43 |
| fdillon | not that I'm aware | 21:44 |
| fdillon | but I'm not aware of much when it comes to WG releases | 21:44 |
| +crythias | ok. it just wasn't on "news" | 21:59 |
| -!- crythias changed the topic of #WebGUI to: WebGUI 6.8.9 Released (Security Release) 5/5/2006 Get it: http://tinyurl.com/zbttj Read More: http://tinyurl.com/g8kyt | 22:06 | |
| +crythias | ack | 22:33 |
| +crythias | I'm so far behind my upgrade path. | 22:34 |
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| +crythias | arg! | 23:08 |
| +crythias | I'm not able to upgrade. | 23:11 |
| +crythias | stupid stupid grr | 23:12 |
| +crythias | I"m stuck on 6.7.3 | 23:12 |
| +crythias | stupid apacherequest probs | 23:12 |
| +crythias | wowserz | 23:19 |
| +crythias | you know it's really sick when the answer to your google question is your own post. | 23:22 |
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| siriousje | sadly, we lost the offer (wg frontend + java backend), eventhough it was at least 1/10th of the costs | 01:31 |
| siriousje | s/offer/prospect/ | 01:32 |
| siriousje | sometimes I just get mad when clients put off 'perl based' solutions as amateuristic | 01:33 |
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| xdanger | siriousje: I'we had the same problem... | 13:20 |
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| +crythias | zelda twilight princess playing on wii.. live | 19:55 |
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| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 3 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] | 12:52 | |
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| luke___ | hi * | 01:15 |
| luke___ | I´m not longer to lame to read BitchX.doc :-) | 01:15 |
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| xdanger | http://www.google.com/trends?q=webgui&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all | 14:53 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heh | 14:55 |
| xdanger | played around with 6.99 last night and have say it has potential ;) | 14:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | no americams looking for webgui... | 14:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has | 14:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has eye candy =) | 14:55 |
| xdanger | this is alarming: http://www.google.com/trends?q=goatse%2C+tubgirl&ctab=0&date=all&geo=all | 14:55 |
| xdanger | jeah, but I still don't like plainblacks design of the default layouts | 14:56 |
| xdanger | and thats what people look first... | 14:56 |
| xdanger | so we'll probably do our own default look | 14:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | i agree that the templates are still not nice | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | at least in my eyes | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | finnish people are sick | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | or ass holes =) | 14:58 |
| xdanger | our design guy says something like it's gotten form a puke on the floor to a piss on the table... this doens't translate very well =) | 14:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | depends how you interpret the google results =) | 14:58 |
| xdanger | in reference to 6.8<->6.99 | 14:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean the wg7 styles? | 14:58 |
| xdanger | yeah, he hates the 6.x style, but doesn't like the 7 styles either | 14:59 |
| xdanger | said that they are improments, but that you couldnät to much worse that the 6.x styles =) | 14:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | They are to busy | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | crowed | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | crowded* | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | whatever | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | not serene | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | not profi | 15:00 |
| xdanger | yeah, if you look at our design: http://tnnet.fi/ this is as crowded as it gets... normally http://rook.fi/ | 15:01 |
| xdanger | that his own pages =) | 15:02 |
| xdanger | we really should do our own pages =D but we don't have the time | 15:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll go for the page with the chick on it =) | 15:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | tnnet.fi | 15:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | Apart from the feminine touch it is also a lot brighter | 15:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is good | 15:03 |
| xdanger | btw. runs on webgui ;) | 15:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 15:04 |
| xdanger | here are some of my favorites: http://www.hmc.fi/ http://www.musicmonster.fi/ http://x-prophets.com/ http://www.pmmp.fi/ | 15:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | no time to look at them now | 15:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | must.... | 15:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | do... | 15:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | work... | 15:05 |
| xdanger | tnnet is our main partner, it's a local isp/hosting company... I'm going there to talk about moving their hosting to our comppany =) | 15:06 |
| crythia2 | that's a chick? heh... | 15:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | Yeah we actually have those in Europe | 15:16 |
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| lenthamen | hey martin | 18:32 |
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| +MrHairgrease | len! | 18:38 |
| lenthamen | Martin, the image upload functionality that Wouter wrote, is that also available for WebGUI 6.8 ? | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | Wouter has one for 6.7.7 though | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you want he can mail it to you | 18:56 |
| lenthamen | hehe, that's exactly the version I'm running now :) | 18:56 |
| lenthamen | Yes, please, please please :) | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter will mail it to you | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | not right now | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but somewhere in the near future | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | or you can spam him =) | 18:57 |
| lenthamen | ok, I'll mail him a reminder :) | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | good so =) | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 19:01 |
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| lenthamen | mzl | 19:02 |
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| luke___ | hi everybody | 22:15 |
| +crythias | hello | 22:17 |
| luke___ | do you have experience with svn ? :) | 22:19 |
| +crythias | slightly | 22:19 |
| +crythias | that is, I've been able to successfully use other people's implementations. | 22:19 |
| luke___ | and commandline svn ? :) | 22:20 |
| luke___ | i want to commit a change but i´m too lame to RTFM | 22:20 |
| +crythias | well, not so much. I've used tortoise and rapid_svn | 22:20 |
| luke___ | maybe i should use this too :-) | 22:20 |
| +crythias | what os? | 22:20 |
| luke___ | frontend: win - backend: linux | 22:20 |
| +crythias | yeah. tortoise will help | 22:21 |
| luke___ | downloading... | 22:21 |
| +crythias | http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/ | 22:21 |
| luke___ | thx :) | 22:21 |
| +crythias | might require reboot :( | 22:21 |
| luke___ | wtf ? | 22:21 |
| luke___ | win even | 22:21 |
| luke___ | ok I´m rebooting... | 22:24 |
| luke___ | ok letz check out | 22:26 |
| luke___ | hm i dont have any context menu like tortoiseSVN | 22:28 |
| +crythias | you won't on a blank folder | 22:30 |
| +crythias | no.. | 22:30 |
| +crythias | that's not right. | 22:30 |
| luke___ | i created a folder | 22:30 |
| +crythias | you should see right-click svn | 22:30 |
| luke___ | maybe my shit winxp64 | 22:30 |
| +crythias | well, yeah, maybe? | 22:31 |
| luke___ | right-click and I see no SVN | 22:31 |
| luke___ | http://tortoisesvn.sourceforge.net/node/79 | 22:31 |
| luke___ | I hope this is outdated | 22:31 |
| luke___ | ok it works | 22:32 |
| luke___ | thx, nice tool | 22:44 |
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| cheecheeo | /who | 08:15 |
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| +crythias | ... and then she said, "I can't believe you've asked me to do that." | 17:31 |
| +crythias | oh. :) Hi | 17:32 |
| +crythias | oh. this isn't #gooeyweb | 17:32 |
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| luke___ | :) | 18:05 |
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| cheecheeo | what does the ^Extras macro expand to? and where can I upload and reference it in my style? | 20:21 |
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| ph0bia | !seen snapcount | 06:15 |
| ph0bia | seen snapcount | 06:16 |
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| cheecheeo | how can I upload and reference a new favicon in my style? | 07:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo cheecheeo | 07:26 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: hello | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how hackest thou tonight? | 07:26 |
| +perlDreamer | did you get your uploads directory permissions fixed? | 07:27 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: I'm doing okay, I talked bonyari about it and he played around with it, we haven't really had a problem with it, what I ended up doing was just adding the users through the admin console and removing anon user registration | 07:28 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: you wouldn't happen to know much about favicon references and such would you? | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | a little | 07:29 |
| +perlDreamer | do mean the icon format or how to get webGUI to display one for you? | 07:30 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: how to get one on to webgui and how to reference it in my template | 07:30 |
| +perlDreamer | let's check the setup on a demo site | 07:31 |
| +perlDreamer | head on over to demo.plainblack.com and set yourself up a demo | 07:31 |
| cheecheeo | k | 07:31 |
| cheecheeo | setup | 07:33 |
| +perlDreamer | double checking something on sunset's site | 07:33 |
| cheecheeo | k | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I thought | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | on 6.2.11 there's a favicon/site icon setting in the config settings | 07:34 |
| +perlDreamer | in 6.8 it looks like it's been removed | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | here's the syntax for adding it to a page | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | <link rel="icon" href="/extras/favicon.png" type="image/png"> | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | <link rel="SHORTCUT ICON" href="/extras/sunset.ico"> | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you'll want to add that to the style template | 07:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you may need both to hit both mozilla and IE, but I'm not sure | 07:36 |
| cheecheeo | so make a new directory in the root node and upload the favicon there? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 07:36 |
| cheecheeo | and then that reference in the style? | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | or just add it to the import node | 07:36 |
| +perlDreamer | crythias: you awake? | 07:37 |
| cheecheeo | the extras directory? | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | you _could_ use the extras directory, but that would require shell access | 07:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I would just upload an Image Asset to the import node, and give it a nice url, like /favicon.png | 07:38 |
| cheecheeo | so, maybe this will help, what does the ^Extras macro expand to with respect to the directory/import nod hierarchy? | 07:38 |
| +perlDreamer | they're not related at all | 07:39 |
| cheecheeo | ah | 07:39 |
| +perlDreamer | does that help? | 07:41 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: yeah, I'm trying it on the demo site real quick | 07:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't remember the format of the ico file off the top of my head, but I think you can google for it pretty quickly | 07:42 |
| cheecheeo | so when I run wget sunsetpres.org/extras/favicon.png I get the default webgui icon, not sunset's | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yep | 07:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why in certain interfaces you get the wG icon instead of Sunset's. | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | like the admin interfaces | 07:45 |
| +perlDreamer | try grabbing the ico file | 07:45 |
| cheecheeo | yeah, still webgui's | 07:46 |
| cheecheeo | hmm, in the URL field, do I get to choose my own URL for easy referencing in styles, etc? | 07:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | sunset.ico is our favicon file | 07:50 |
| cheecheeo | ah, I got it now | 07:51 |
| cheecheeo | I'm also loving this mozex | 07:51 |
| cheecheeo | it was a little bit interesting to get installed and configured bit I love it, except that it only seems to edit the first text field on the page, not necessarily the one the cursor is blinking in | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't had any problems with it | 07:53 |
| +perlDreamer | do you activate it via the hotkey or right click menu? | 07:54 |
| cheecheeo | well, I'm assuming it's some gentoo sillyness because it wouldn't let me install it the xpi/firefox way without root acess | 07:55 |
| cheecheeo | so I installed it as root and then it worked under my regular user | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's weird | 07:57 |
| cheecheeo | okay, thanks for the tips, I need to work on this OS now | 07:57 |
| +perlDreamer | catch you later | 07:58 |
| cheecheeo | you too | 07:58 |
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| sanyock | Hi Ppl! | 12:51 |
| sanyock | Please suggest is there any way to avoid apache restart, may be an other method may be used | 12:51 |
| sanyock | If it is due to pm modules loaded into memory precompiled/optimized, may be it is possible to turn such optimization off with lower performance | 12:52 |
| xdanger | something like Apache::Reload ? | 12:55 |
| sanyock | I am just going to use general $5/month hosting to which I have SSH access to setup webgui | 12:56 |
| sanyock | I did previously with version 6.6.5 | 12:56 |
| sanyock | Now I read in forums an apache restart may be needed, not sure why | 12:56 |
| xdanger | aaa... Does this hosting offer mod_perl ? | 12:56 |
| sanyock | Yes, mod_perl, MySQL 4.1 | 12:57 |
| sanyock | any missing modules will be installed | 12:57 |
| sanyock | WG 6.6.5 worked fine | 12:57 |
| sanyock | Going to use latest gamma | 12:57 |
| xdanger | which version of mod_perl ? | 12:57 |
| sanyock | just a moment | 12:58 |
| sanyock | Apache version 1.3.34 (Unix) | 12:59 |
| sanyock | PERL version 5.8.7 | 12:59 |
| sanyock | I am not sure if above is mod_perl, but hosting stuff let me know that mod_perl is available | 12:59 |
| xdanger | I think that they support Apache::Registry, not the full mod_perl integration | 12:59 |
| xdanger | yeah, 6.8 requires mod_perl2 and apache2 | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Server name rachel | 12:59 |
| sanyock | WWW directory /home/aulix/public_html | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Root directory /home/aulix | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Path to PERL /usr/bin/perl | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Perl modules Click to view | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Path to sendmail /usr/sbin/sendmail | 12:59 |
| sanyock | Apache version 1.3.34 (Unix) | 12:59 |
| sanyock | MySQL version 4.1.18-standard | 13:00 |
| sanyock | PostgreSQL version | 13:00 |
| sanyock | PHP version 4.3.11 | 13:00 |
| sanyock | PHP info Click to view | 13:00 |
| sanyock | PERL version 5.8.7 | 13:00 |
| sanyock | Kernel version 2.6.13.1.dn3.64 | 13:00 |
| sanyock | Machine Type i686 | 13:00 |
| sanyock | cPanel version 10.8.2-RELEASE-83 | 13:00 |
| sanyock | cPanel Pro Version 1.0 (RC36) | 13:00 |
| sanyock | uhm... | 13:00 |
| sanyock | if I find a host with mod_perl2 and apache2, is apache restart still be required? | 13:01 |
| sanyock | If I remember correct, when conf file was changed I needed restart | 13:01 |
| * sanyock very currious about v7 release date | 13:02 | |
| sanyock | just looked into bug tracker, are the bugs only stoppers or more new features will be added before v7 release? | 13:03 |
| xdanger | there are new features in 6.99 (kind of 7-beta version) | 13:05 |
| sanyock | When started to use webgui for our company site, found that header length was limited to 255 characters, is such limitation is still actual? | 13:11 |
| sanyock | following change helped me to overcome the limitation, may be this can be useful for new version: | 13:12 |
| sanyock | Form.pm | 13:12 |
| sanyock | _____________________________ | 13:12 |
| sanyock | my $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 1255; | 13:12 |
| sanyock | may be $params->{maxlength} can be updated somewhere | 13:23 |
| sanyock | it would be nice to have it in Settings panel | 13:23 |
| xdanger | I don't see that line in 6.8 or 6.99 | 13:56 |
| sanyock | it was in 6.6.3 and 6.6.5 | 13:57 |
| sanyock | =head3 size | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | The number of characters wide this form element should be. There should be no reason for anyone to specify this. | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | =head3 defaultValue | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | This will be used if no value is specified. | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | =cut | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | sub text { | 13:58 |
| sanyock | my $params = shift; | 13:58 |
| sanyock | my $value = _fixSpecialCharacters($params->{value}||$params->{defaultValue}); | 13:58 |
| sanyock | $value = _fixQuotes($value); | 13:58 |
| sanyock | $value = _fixMacros($value); | 13:58 |
| sanyock | my $maxLength = $params->{maxlength} || 255; | 13:58 |
| sanyock | my $size = $params->{size} || $session{setting}{textBoxSize} || 30; | 13:58 |
| sanyock | return '<input type="text" name="'.$params->{name}.'" value="'.$value.'" size="'. | 13:58 |
| sanyock | $size.'" maxlength="'.$maxLength.'" '.$params->{extras}.' />'; | 13:58 |
| sanyock | } | 13:58 |
| sanyock | 13:58 | |
| sanyock | #------------------------------------------------------------------- | 13:59 |
| sanyock | I changed 255 to 1255 | 13:59 |
| sanyock | now able to use wide Titles | 13:59 |
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| luke___ | hi martin | 17:27 |
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| +MrHairgrease | heyho | 17:27 |
| luke___ | hi pbmdawg | 17:28 |
| @pbmdawg | hi | 17:28 |
| luke___ | I´m trying to get the commerce running, but it´s always kills my apache...:( | 17:28 |
| luke___ | what could it be ? | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | when i made it it didn't kill anything | 17:29 |
| @pbmdawg | what shipping/payment plugins do you have enabled | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | but there were changes the last few weeks | 17:29 |
| @pbmdawg | and what commerce settings have you enabled | 17:29 |
| @pbmdawg | all the changes were done by me | 17:30 |
| @pbmdawg | I had to add in a few hooks | 17:30 |
| luke___ | ITransact | 17:30 |
| luke___ | I got an testaccount from jt | 17:30 |
| luke___ | I´m enabled me in firewall | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | on 6.8.x? | 17:30 |
| luke___ | yes | 17:30 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 17:30 |
| luke___ | but i´m not using ssl | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | the changes were in 6.99 | 17:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | well the plugin talks to itransact thru ssl | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it doen't matter if you use it on your site or not | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it uses lwp::useragent | 17:31 |
| luke___ | ok | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | iirc | 17:31 |
| luke___ | lwp must compiled with ssl support ? | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | In what way does it kill apache | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | dies? | 17:31 |
| luke___ | the apache thread grows and grows | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | eat mem? | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | or cpu? | 17:31 |
| luke___ | yes | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | weird | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | never saw that behaviour | 17:32 |
| luke___ | I´m thing both, whats the best way to check it ? | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | top? | 17:32 |
| luke___ | s/ing/ink/; | 17:32 |
| luke___ | mom | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | without the plugin enabled... | 17:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | does it grow? | 17:33 |
| luke___ | just grows after checkout | 17:33 |
| luke___ | and i couldn´t checkout without plugin | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | there are not many that can =) | 17:34 |
| luke___ | hm | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can look into tonight for a bit. | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | But I don't think I'll find something | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | It must be something leaking sopewhere | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | somewhere* | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | Matt | 17:35 |
| luke___ | yes I will debug this too a little bit | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | does pb also has this problem | 17:35 |
| @pbmdawg | don't know | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | It could be a cyclic ref or something | 17:35 |
| luke___ | uptime after send: 16:35:06 up 20 days, 7:47, 3 users, load average: 0.31, 0.07, 0.02 | 17:35 |
| luke___ | 2512 daemon 19 0 845m 762m 13m R 36.7 76.6 0:07.66 httpd | 17:36 |
| luke___ | 2512 daemon 25 0 1376m 800m 13m D 60.1 80.3 0:11.84 httpd | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | now I;m not an expert | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but these values seem pretty large | 17:37 |
| luke___ | 16:37:02 up 20 days, 7:49, 3 users, load average: 3.01, 1.07, 0.38 | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | how do you restart apache? | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | httpd -k stop; httpd -k start? | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | or httpd -k restart | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 17:38 |
| luke___ | start & stop | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's teh way you should do it | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | restart will leak mem | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta go to the grocery store | 17:39 |
| luke___ | it´s a ssl problem I´m think | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | bbl | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | in an hour or so | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe eralier | 17:39 |
| luke___ | ok thx | 17:39 |
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| @pbmdawg | luke; do you have outbound 443 open? | 17:50 |
| luke___ | nope | 17:53 |
| luke___ | I should install all ssl libs | 17:53 |
| luke___ | before I install the libs I want to find the leak and fix it or handle it better | 17:55 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 17:56 |
| @pbmdawg | it's in LWP, I'm sure... | 17:56 |
| luke___ | yes, missing ssl support or something like this | 17:57 |
| luke___ | I´m installed the LWP Debian Package | 17:59 |
| @pbmdawg | are you using the wre | 18:03 |
| luke___ | nope | 18:03 |
| @pbmdawg | ok | 18:03 |
| @pbmdawg | then installing debian packages might help you :) | 18:03 |
| luke___ | Readme.ssl in libwww: | 18:04 |
| luke___ | Encryption support is obtained through the use of Crypt::SSLeay or | 18:04 |
| luke___ | IO::Socket::SSL, which can both be found from CPAN. | 18:04 |
| luke___ | maybe one of it should checked in testEnviroment | 18:05 |
| @pbmdawg | good idea | 18:06 |
| @pbmdawg | looks like ssleay is updated more often | 18:07 |
| luke___ | yes | 18:08 |
| luke___ | should I add this ? | 18:08 |
| luke___ | strike, commerce is running :-) | 18:11 |
| luke___ | thx :) | 18:11 |
| @pbmdawg | chansen you there? | 18:12 |
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| @pbmdawg | welcome | 18:21 |
| deymos | hi there.. i've found the info about this irc channel on plainblack.com... i'm just in the process of making another webgui site... | 18:27 |
| deymos | anyone here alive and kicking? ;) | 18:28 |
| @pbmdawg | I am | 18:28 |
| deymos | nice ;) it says sysadmin next to your nick, so are you working on webgui or are you just the user? | 18:29 |
| @pbmdawg | both | 18:29 |
| deymos | good, cause i've found a bug ;) | 18:30 |
| @pbmdawg | okay... | 18:32 |
| deymos | which part are you working on? | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | which version | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | all of it | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | heh | 18:32 |
| deymos | the latest gamma... | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | oh okay | 18:32 |
| deymos | page.isSibling is not workin | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | what's the bug | 18:32 |
| deymos | i've Checked the Navigation.pm... | 18:32 |
| @pbmdawg | it might have been removed, but not removed from the documentation | 18:32 |
| deymos | and it seems one of the conditions is that the page.isTopBranch | 18:33 |
| deymos | it's not removed. just the conditions in Navigation.pm are wrong. | 18:33 |
| deymos | i've fixed it for me and it's working now, but it's just a hack | 18:33 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 18:33 |
| deymos | i was trying to do nav menu with the template and realised it was buggy... | 18:34 |
| deymos | the site is at www.contel.hr/2007 btw | 18:34 |
| @pbmdawg | put the code diff on SF | 18:34 |
| deymos | i'm not sure that the way i did it is the proper way to do it | 18:34 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 18:34 |
| deymos | i spoke to JT some time ago, i wanted to open Croatian W3 site, but don't have time to do it... i've even registered the webgui.com.hr domain... | 18:37 |
| @pbmdawg | site looks nice | 18:38 |
| deymos | it's the best cms i've used. mambo is shit compared to webgui ;) | 18:38 |
| deymos | the template is from oswd.org... | 18:38 |
| @pbmdawg | cool | 18:38 |
| deymos | and we'll go online with it tomorrow, so the content is in the making | 18:38 |
| deymos | i have another site running on webgui.. www.hr... | 18:38 |
| deymos | most iof the site... not the directory though | 18:39 |
| @pbmdawg | neat | 18:39 |
| @pbmdawg | ready to make a translation for wg7 ? | 18:39 |
| deymos | i did the translation for 5.5 ... | 18:40 |
| deymos | but never finished. | 18:40 |
| deymos | oops... didn't understand what you asked ;) | 18:40 |
| deymos | about the translation | 18:40 |
| @pbmdawg | that's what I asked | 18:41 |
| @pbmdawg | translating to whatever your language is | 18:41 |
| deymos | oh, then i got it right... croatian... | 18:41 |
| deymos | if i only had more time... | 18:41 |
| @pbmdawg | I have to run... be back in a few hours | 18:42 |
| deymos | ok... bye | 18:42 |
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| nbcccorp | Hey, anyone out there had any experience, good or bad, with Skype? | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 21:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | not me anyway | 21:26 |
| nbcccorp | oh well. It looks really cool and I was just wondering. It's easy enough to look around the net for people who have, I just thought I would start here since I've never been given bad WebGUI info here. | 21:27 |
| @pbmdawg | skype is pretty good. : | 21:33 |
| @pbmdawg | as for interfacing with POTS, Skype-In is good. Skype-Out is *okay* | 21:33 |
| nbcccorp | What do you mean by *okay*? | 21:39 |
| @pbmdawg | the first day or two I used it | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | the quality of the audio was bad | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | but since then, it's been fine | 21:41 |
| nbcccorp | any dropped calls? garbage calls? ever have any privacy concerns with them? | 21:42 |
| nbcccorp | rather: ever HEAR OF any privacy concerns with them? | 21:42 |
| @pbmdawg | no... | 21:53 |
| @pbmdawg | skype-skype is perfect | 21:53 |
| @pbmdawg | I was talking about skype-POTS | 21:53 |
| @pbmdawg | and yeah, occasional dropped calls with skype-POTS | 21:53 |
| nbcccorp | how is their support? ever had to use it? | 22:01 |
| @pbmdawg | no | 22:05 |
| @pbmdawg | what types of services of theirs are you thinking of using | 22:05 |
| nbcccorp | Sorry, I was in a full screen rc window and didn't see this. | 22:35 |
| nbcccorp | I am looking at using them for home phone services. I can't seem to keep a decent connection with Cingular in my house and need to have reliable phone service in order to do tech supp. | 22:36 |
| nbcccorp | I am looking at the whole range of services + international numbers for my clients in London to use. | 22:37 |
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| +crythias | hee | 23:06 |
| @pbmdawg | hi | 23:06 |
| xdanger | hou | 23:07 |
| @pbmdawg | WG7H8R | 23:07 |
| +crythias | hee | 23:07 |
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| +crythias | ... and then she said, "rub her? I hardly even know her!" | 23:08 |
| xdanger | o | 23:08 |
| xdanger | wasn't it 6.99rc0 ? | 23:09 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah, that too | 23:09 |
| +crythias | rc0? | 23:09 |
| +crythias | 6.99b1 | 23:09 |
| @pbmdawg | release candidate 0 | 23:09 |
| +crythias | yeahbut, rc? I mean, that's pretty um.. bold, no? | 23:10 |
| +crythias | hehe | 23:10 |
| @pbmdawg | nah. | 23:10 |
| @pbmdawg | there's really not much different from 6.8.10 | 23:10 |
| @pbmdawg | just a bunch of new stuff | 23:10 |
| @pbmdawg | heh | 23:10 |
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| +crythias | "I'm not a strict vegetarian, 'cause I eat beef. and pork. and chicken. semi-veg" | 23:12 |
| @pbmdawg | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/nB96fX77.html | 23:12 |
| +crythias | sha-zaam | 23:12 |
| +crythias | btw... what happened with the 6.8.9 release? why wasn't it "announced" | 23:13 |
| @pbmdawg | better question | 23:13 |
| @pbmdawg | why is the svn diff for that version blocked | 23:13 |
| +crythias | need to lay the smackdown on ROy | 23:13 |
| @pbmdawg | he didn't do that release | 23:13 |
| +crythias | ah. | 23:14 |
| xdanger | pbmdawg: how about the internal redirect testing ? I can do it maybe next week, or at least the next... | 23:15 |
| +crythias | not certain like my computer. | 23:15 |
| +crythias | maybe I need to convert my filesystem, 'cause the fat32 is mucking up bunches | 23:15 |
| @pbmdawg | I haven't looked at it | 23:16 |
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| +crythia1 | did you see my new rfe? | 23:17 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah | 23:17 |
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| +crythia1 | yeah, 6810 | 23:49 |
| +crythia1 | who will be testing this? would you be upgrading your hosting? | 23:50 |
| @pbmdawg | 6.8.10? | 23:50 |
| @pbmdawg | tiny security changes only | 23:50 |
| +crythia1 | no 6.99.0 | 23:52 |
| @pbmdawg | har | 23:52 |
| @pbmdawg | plainblack.com will have it, I think | 23:52 |
| +crythia1 | converting... afn | 23:53 |
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| luke___ | WebGUI 6.9.9rc0 release in 29 minutes | 23:59 |
| luke___ | really ? | 23:59 |
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| @pbmdawg | 6.99.0 | 00:00 |
| @pbmdawg | shortly | 00:00 |
| luke___ | cool | 00:00 |
| luke___ | what´s about the ssleay should I add this to svn ? | 00:01 |
| luke___ | or should I open a bug ? | 00:01 |
| luke___ | or send a mail to discussion | 00:01 |
| Deymos | will page.isSibling be fixed in this release ;) | 00:01 |
| @pbmdawg | no; it's just an rc that probably 0 people will download | 00:01 |
| luke___ | :) | 00:02 |
| @pbmdawg | oh wait; postponed till later this week | 00:02 |
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| xdanger | why are some pages in svn::Wev unviewable? like https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/revision/?rev=2141 | 00:29 |
| xdanger | mostly everyone that i've noticed are about 6.8 branch | 00:30 |
| @pbmdawg | I'm not sure | 00:45 |
| @pbmdawg | possibly they are blocked for security-by-obscurity reasons | 00:46 |
| @pbmdawg | gtg; l8r | 00:46 |
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| +crythias | argh | 04:24 |
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| +crythias | sigh | 20:25 |
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| +crythias | ... and then I said, "yes, but why would I need WD40?" | 21:47 |
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| +crythias | howdy | 22:12 |
| Baylink | ? | 22:32 |
| Baylink | :-) | 22:32 |
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| @pbmdawg | howdy Martin | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy pardner | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is up? | 17:01 |
| @pbmdawg | nothing | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 17:18 |
| xdanger | damn... I really think that Event calendar's "start from Now!" doesn't work | 18:16 |
| @pbmdawg | which version | 18:16 |
| xdanger | 6.8 | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | Wouter did a lot of evc fixes | 18:17 |
| @pbmdawg | yes, EC is totally broken in 6.8 | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | in 6.99 | 18:17 |
| @pbmdawg | unusable | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I broken as hell in in 6. | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | 6.8* | 18:17 |
| xdanger | ok | 18:23 |
| xdanger | great | 18:24 |
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| * snapcount stretches | 22:20 | |
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| +crythias | reply count doesn't work | 22:59 |
| +crythias | ... and then she said, "I keep moving it up and down and it still doesn't help. The water just overflows the bowl, and the plunger isn't doing a darn thing!" | 23:00 |
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| * MrHairgrease tests if his connection is still up | 00:03 | |
| * MrHairgrease cries in joy | 00:03 | |
| +MrHairgrease | Still sucks though that port 80 is blocked somehow.... | 00:04 |
| +crythias | do what? | 00:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm typing... | 00:05 |
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| +crythias | port 80 blocked on a machine you control? | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would be stupid | 00:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I dunno who fucked up | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I can't even get a webpage of the local server here | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's *not* my fault though | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | it never is =) | 00:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd rather blame Koen | 00:07 |
| +crythias | heh | 00:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | So are you guys pleased with 6.99 | 00:07 |
| +crythias | I don't like the forum stuff | 00:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's wrong with it? | 00:08 |
| +crythias | "Back to site"? | 00:09 |
| +crythias | feh | 00:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | back to site? | 00:09 |
| +crythias | submit a post and it says, "waiting for approval. click the link: back to site" | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh ok | 00:10 |
| +crythias | lame | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 00:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's softawre after all | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | who has the ip for startrek.com? | 00:11 |
| +crythias | somehow, it started off REALLY slow, as well on plainblack.com | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | my svn thingy is pretty fast | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | even in admin mode | 00:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | aha | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | the dns is down | 00:12 |
| +crythias | heh | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | stupid frickin university | 00:12 |
| +crythias | ok. here we go. I clcik pb.com/discuss/mods... | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | or should I say stupid fricking student built networks =) | 00:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can't follow you | 00:13 |
| +crythias | now it's up | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | my dns is down remember | 00:13 |
| +crythias | right, but I'm talking about my experience with plainblack.com | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 00:13 |
| +crythias | 21 seconds to load a message board is insane. | 00:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's definately not good | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | so maybe you should click faster =) | 00:14 |
| +crythias | clicking Etcetera. now | 00:14 |
| +crythias | up now... | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | 16 | 00:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | not too good | 00:15 |
| +crythias | and it's not counting replies properly | 00:15 |
| +crythias | Community: We need your help JT 51 0 0 | 00:15 |
| +crythias | 51: views 0 replies | 00:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd worry much more about the performance | 00:15 |
| +crythias | I gotta head home. ttyl | 00:17 |
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| luke___ | hi roy | 00:56 |
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| luke___ | re | 19:04 |
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| fdillon | snapcount! | 19:06 |
| @snapcount | hola | 19:14 |
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| @snapcount | Yippee!! | 05:43 |
| @snapcount | peeps | 05:43 |
| @snapcount | crythia1 | 05:43 |
| @snapcount | perlDreamer | 05:43 |
| @snapcount | I maketh your windows blink | 05:43 |
| @snapcount | ping ping | 05:44 |
| @snapcount | syn | 05:44 |
| +perlDreamer | yo | 05:45 |
| @snapcount | greetings | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | greetings, E-ROD | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | what's up? | 05:45 |
| @snapcount | so I'm writing a paypal plugin | 05:45 |
| @snapcount | (the world rejoices) | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a for-fun or for-pay project? | 05:45 |
| @snapcount | for-fun | 05:46 |
| @snapcount | I've grown very familiar with commerce | 05:46 |
| @snapcount | anywho paypal makes it very easy | 05:46 |
| @snapcount | problem is the wG commerce system makes it kinda hard | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 05:46 |
| @snapcount | I want to put this in user contribs as a payment plug-in | 05:47 |
| +crythia1 | :) | 05:47 |
| @snapcount | then JT is going to put in core for 7.1 | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 05:47 |
| @snapcount | problem though | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 05:47 |
| @snapcount | I can't make it work w/o modifying Operation/Commerce | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | That's a problem | 05:47 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 05:47 |
| @snapcount | that's not a plugin | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | that breaks upgrades | 05:48 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you need to modify it for? | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | because I need to return template vars from one of the operations | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | that isn't there | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | basically you redirect users to paypal | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | but you post a bunch of form vars when you do | 05:48 |
| @snapcount | basically all the crap they bought | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | and who the vendor is | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | is that required? | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | which url they go to when they're done | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | for basic paypal yeah | 05:49 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 05:49 |
| +crythia1 | that's basic paypal. | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | otherwise we have another ITransact plugin | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | which isn't useful to the masses | 05:49 |
| @snapcount | b/c you have to be approved for a merchant acct to use it | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 05:50 |
| +crythia1 | Are you saying you're having trouble sending info to the paypal thing? | 05:50 |
| @snapcount | sort of | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | no he's saying he can't do it without hacking the core | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | which operation do you need to modify? | 05:50 |
| +perlDreamer | which sub in the operation? | 05:51 |
| @snapcount | checkoutConfirm | 05:51 |
| +crythia1 | Colin: Yeah, I know he's talking about hacking the core. | 05:51 |
| @snapcount | I don't want to do that | 05:51 |
| @snapcount | I can do it for 7.1 no problem | 05:51 |
| @snapcount | but I wanted to release something people can use now | 05:51 |
| +crythia1 | people can always link to paypal's per-item thingiy | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | the only other way... | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | but that kind of sucks | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | you have to pay for each item one at a time | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so do you know of another way? | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | well I don't know how to implement it | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | but I have an idear | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what is it? | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | do tell | 05:52 |
| +perlDreamer | prithee | 05:52 |
| @snapcount | the payment plugin executes a method called normalTransaction during the checkout process | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | it's supposed to talk to the payment gateway | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | if there were a way to post the form vars from that method | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | and redirect them | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | (at the same time) | 05:53 |
| @snapcount | I could make it work | 05:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I have two ideas | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) You should be able to do with with a ton of javascript | 05:54 |
| * snapcount is a JS retard | 05:54 | |
| @snapcount | but I could learn I guess | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) This is much, much more evil | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | at the end of checkoutConfirm, it calls a template | 05:54 |
| +perlDreamer | how about if you write a new template handler which does your magic for you | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | yep | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | a new template handler? | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | dude | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of HTML::Template, or Template::Toolkit | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you just wrap them in something that does your transaction | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | now that's outside the box | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and then returns them to a sane page | 05:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I told you it was evil | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 05:55 |
| @snapcount | so evil it's cool | 05:56 |
| +crythia1 | why not have spectre do it... | 05:56 |
| @snapcount | explain? | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no hook into spectre at that point, crythias | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there could be, though | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be another API level change | 05:56 |
| +crythia1 | I dunno. it seems payments should be async anyway. | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but they're not now | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Clancy Brown rocks as the Kernigan | 05:56 |
| +crythia1 | seems perfect for what spectre was supposed to do. | 05:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 05:57 |
| +perlDreamer | but there's no hook in the Commerce system for spectre | 05:57 |
| +crythia1 | workflow FTW | 05:57 |
| @snapcount | JT has a morbid fear of Commerce for some reason | 05:57 |
| @snapcount | he avoids that code as much as possible | 05:57 |
| +crythia1 | 'cause if you get it wrong, it's lost money, sales, etc. | 05:57 |
| @snapcount | get what wrong? | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs a test suite | 05:58 |
| @snapcount | yeah that would be cool | 05:58 |
| +crythia1 | are you doing webpayments pro or standard for paypal? | 05:58 |
| @snapcount | standard for now | 05:58 |
| @snapcount | although pro would be easier | 05:58 |
| +crythia1 | Seems like. | 05:59 |
| @snapcount | but standard could be used by anyone | 05:59 |
| @snapcount | with a paypal account | 05:59 |
| @snapcount | without paying monthly fees, submiting dna, etc | 05:59 |
| +crythia1 | pro by anyone, and it's seemless to the site | 05:59 |
| +crythia1 | seamless | 05:59 |
| @snapcount | they have to go through an approval process | 06:00 |
| @snapcount | credit check | 06:00 |
| @snapcount | basically they are being approved as a merchant | 06:00 |
| +crythia1 | well, do you want to use "Additional Payment Option" instead of paypal Website Payments? | 06:00 |
| @snapcount | of course | 06:00 |
| @snapcount | everyone has a credit card | 06:00 |
| +crythia1 | who is the everyone? hoster or customer? | 06:01 |
| @snapcount | standard is nice because the merchant never handles cc#'s and other sensitive data | 06:01 |
| @snapcount | so they don't care who uses it | 06:01 |
| @snapcount | everyone == customers | 06:01 |
| @snapcount | =) | 06:01 |
| @snapcount | with pro... you receive the payment details directly | 06:02 |
| @snapcount | so they are more picky | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | did you see that the form upload bug is popping up again? | 06:02 |
| +crythia1 | https://www.paypal.com/IntegrationCenter/ic_addl-payment-option.html | 06:02 |
| @snapcount | perlDreamer: wonderful | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | !yeah | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | ~yeah | 06:03 |
| +perlDreamer | NOT(yeah) | 06:03 |
| @snapcount | so this express checkout is the same as standard | 06:04 |
| @snapcount | but uses an API | 06:04 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you can also do it in the shipping method | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or the payment gateway | 06:05 |
| +perlDreamer | since they call load, there's probably an eval in there | 06:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you can do anything | 06:06 |
| @snapcount | this is interesting | 06:06 |
| @snapcount | there is a cpan module for paypal also | 06:06 |
| @snapcount | hmm | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think the template hack is best | 06:07 |
| +perlDreamer | since it does all the hard work for you | 06:07 |
| +crythia1 | heh php | 06:08 |
| +crythia1 | ahh yeah... | 06:08 |
| @snapcount | I wonder how hard it is to write a template parser plugin | 06:08 |
| @snapcount | is it just a sub that gets the template contents? | 06:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yep | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | the basic one is about 80 lines long | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | including whitespace and comments | 06:10 |
| +perlDreamer | check out Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate | 06:10 |
| @snapcount | http://search.cpan.org/~scottw/Business-PayPal-API-0.30/lib/Business/PayPal/API/ExpressCheckout.pm | 06:11 |
| @snapcount | check that out | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | seems very complete | 06:12 |
| +perlDreamer | too bad they make you redirect via them instead of working via pure services | 06:12 |
| @snapcount | they do that to keep the credit card info out of your hands | 06:13 |
| +perlDreamer | could you proxy their page? | 06:13 |
| @snapcount | their pro stuff does use pure services | 06:13 |
| @snapcount | eh | 06:13 |
| @snapcount | that's probably not legal | 06:13 |
| @snapcount | but maybe | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I think there's enough entry points to crowbar the system into doing what you want | 06:14 |
| @snapcount | I think this express checkout is the cleanest way | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I meant the checkoutConfirm sub | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | it's definitely hackable | 06:15 |
| @snapcount | oh | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | not in the intruder sense | 06:16 |
| @snapcount | the template parser would be easiest | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and least likely to get you whacked | 06:16 |
| @snapcount | but it's a hack for sure | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | how are classes? | 06:16 |
| @snapcount | this express checkout would keep everything in the payment plug-in though | 06:16 |
| @snapcount | classes are done for Spring | 06:17 |
| @snapcount | I'm taking one class this summer | 06:17 |
| @snapcount | (first session) | 06:17 |
| @snapcount | it's pretty cool | 06:17 |
| @snapcount | Physics/Chemistry/Astronomy Introduction for Business Retards 101 | 06:17 |
| +crythia1 | heya | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a new appreciation for what you're doing | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy started college again | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so she's been studying a lot | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, she also dissects spines and eyeballs | 06:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so I try to mind my P's and Q's around her | 06:18 |
| +crythia1 | Roy: JT asked about cut-paste job for RFEs on the boards. I responded to him, but didn't get a response. | 06:18 |
| @snapcount | I got to dissect a sheep heart | 06:19 |
| @snapcount | and a big ass worm | 06:19 |
| +crythia1 | :) | 06:19 |
| @snapcount | crythia1: what? | 06:19 |
| @snapcount | cut-paste job? | 06:19 |
| +crythia1 | would be ncie if boards didn't take 15 seconds to load | 06:20 |
| +crythia1 | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/community-we-need-your-help#vf3t5SiB_MtYe9JFw7Gnmg | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | ha ha ha | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm invincible! | 06:20 |
| +crythia1 | :-? | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I rewrote the group membership code and injected a bug | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Vrby found the bug | 06:21 |
| +crythia1 | hahahahah | 06:21 |
| @snapcount | go vrby! | 06:21 |
| @snapcount | so you want me to go to that link crythias? | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so I fixed it today, but didn't test all the possible methods for group inclusion/exclusion | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | so I just finished the tests, and the fix is pretty robust | 06:21 |
| @snapcount | nice | 06:21 |
| +crythia1 | sure. or : | 06:22 |
| +crythia1 | In the next couple of days we're going to be setting up a new feature requests system right here on this site instead of the one on source forge. This new system will allow you to help rank the features so we know what features you want to see first. We're looking for someone who's willing to do the copy paste job to get all of the current feature requests moved over to the new system. In return we'll give you a whole pile of points w | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | testing totally rocks | 06:22 |
| +crythia1 | :) yay, testing! | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | are you coming to my class at the WUC? | 06:23 |
| +crythia1 | I'm not sure I'm going to be going. | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, you gotta come | 06:23 |
| +crythia1 | I'd love to go, but I may have a significant life change at the same time. And yes, I gotta go. | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | life change? | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | more kids? | 06:24 |
| +crythia1 | might move. maybe. | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's pretty significant | 06:24 |
| @snapcount | yeah you have to come | 06:24 |
| @snapcount | move to Vegas | 06:24 |
| @snapcount | then it will be cheap | 06:25 |
| @snapcount | apparently I'm not an admin either | 06:25 |
| @snapcount | just for some stuff | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | with the group stuff broken, they weren't able to get some stuff working | 06:25 |
| @snapcount | so are you guys coming to the pow-wow tommorow? | 06:26 |
| @snapcount | I hope people show up =) | 06:26 |
| +crythia1 | I'm going to try. | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a lunch date with a 7 year old | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | not going to be there | 06:26 |
| @snapcount | is luke___ Luke Bartholemy? | 06:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what his info says | 06:27 |
| @snapcount | he's our next PBWG | 06:28 |
| @snapcount | I just have to post all the stuff | 06:28 |
| @snapcount | so I need to +v him | 06:28 |
| @snapcount | this paypal module has tests included | 06:35 |
| @snapcount | eh... but this kinda sucks | 06:36 |
| @snapcount | Because I haven't figured out how to make SOAP::Lite read the WSDL definitions directly and simply implement those (help, anyone?), I have essentially recreated all of those WSDL structures internally in this module. | 06:36 |
| @snapcount | If PayPal changes their API (adds, removes, or changes parameters), this module *may stop working*. I do not know if PayPal will preserve backward compatibility. That said, you can help me keep this module up-to-date if you notice such an event occuring. | 06:36 |
| @snapcount | that's poo poo | 06:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, but that's the way with any service API | 06:38 |
| @snapcount | ok... well I think this is the way to go | 06:44 |
| @snapcount | but now it's time for bed | 06:44 |
| +perlDreamer | g'night | 06:44 |
| @snapcount | I will talk to you guys later | 06:44 |
| @snapcount | thanks for pointing this out crythia1 | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | are you back on IRC semi-regularly? | 06:45 |
| @snapcount | gonna try yeah | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | cool, I'll hang here more often, too then | 06:45 |
| @snapcount | I'll make it part of my daily routine | 06:45 |
| @snapcount | to sign on here | 06:45 |
| @snapcount | things are no longer crazy | 06:46 |
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| @pbmdawg | howdy | 16:17 |
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| luke___ | hi pbmdawg | 16:32 |
| @pbmdawg | what's up | 16:39 |
| greghacke | event management :-) | 16:40 |
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| luke___ | hi roy | 16:50 |
| @snapcount | hey luke | 17:08 |
| @snapcount | your pic is on webgui.org now! | 17:12 |
| @snapcount | and your interview | 17:12 |
| luke___ | kewl | 17:12 |
| @snapcount | I'm writing the press releases now | 17:12 |
| @snapcount | also luke___ | 17:18 |
| @snapcount | is your nick registered with Freenode? | 17:19 |
| luke___ | yes | 17:20 |
| luke___ | i hope | 17:20 |
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| @snapcount | ping | 17:46 |
| greghacke | pong | 17:46 |
| @snapcount | thanks | 17:48 |
| @snapcount | I couldn't connect to pb.com so I was like uhhh.. | 17:49 |
| @snapcount | but JT is upgrading | 17:49 |
| greghacke | yep - to 6.99.1 | 17:49 |
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| julied | desc Julie A. Duncan | 19:23 |
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| @rizen | is luke_____ the same as lucas bartholmey (sorry about the misspelling) | 19:27 |
| @rizen | is anyone actually here? | 19:28 |
| -!- rizen changed the topic of #WebGUI to: Where are the rough edges in WebGUI 7, and how can we smooth them? | 19:31 | |
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| +luke___ | hi jt | 19:33 |
| @rizen | howdy | 19:35 |
| @rizen | it must be about 9pm there, am I right? | 19:35 |
| @rizen | well, 8:30pm | 19:36 |
| +luke___ | in germany ? | 19:36 |
| @rizen | aka 20:30 | 19:36 |
| @rizen | yeah | 19:36 |
| +luke___ | 6:30pm | 19:36 |
| +luke___ | 18:30 | 19:36 |
| @rizen | wow..i was way off | 19:36 |
| xdanger | 19:35 in finland =) | 19:36 |
| @rizen | i guess i was putting you in turkey or something | 19:36 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:36 |
| xdanger | I'm wondering that time is there =) | 19:36 |
| @rizen | i mean a turkish timezoen | 19:36 |
| @rizen | not the country | 19:37 |
| @pbmdawg | yeehaw - only 1 request per pageview on plainblack.com now. (used to be 10-100, depending on admin mode). | 19:37 |
| +luke___ | :-) | 19:37 |
| xdanger | Actually finland is in the same zone that turkey =) | 19:37 |
| @rizen | matt: is that due to the headers thing you came up with for the wre? | 19:37 |
| @pbmdawg | not entirely... some is due to snippet caching | 19:37 |
| @rizen | alright, so i suck on my timezones | 19:37 |
| xdanger | so how long until the gathering? | 19:37 |
| @rizen | 2.5 hours | 19:38 |
| @rizen | that is, if anyone even shows up | 19:38 |
| +luke___ | what for edges you mean ? bugs or ... | 19:39 |
| @rizen | UI | 19:39 |
| @rizen | processes | 19:39 |
| @rizen | usability | 19:39 |
| xdanger | so that's like 10pm in here | 19:39 |
| +luke___ | ok | 19:40 |
| @rizen | xdanger: if you can't make it, don't worry, there will be other sessions | 19:40 |
| @rizen | i'm planning at least two more | 19:40 |
| xdanger | my "usability/graphics" expert can't make it, he has a funeral tommorw... | 19:40 |
| @pbmdawg | rizen - 0 sub-requests if the /home link is clicked. | 19:40 |
| @pbmdawg | 5 sub-requests if the reload button is pressed (css snippets refetched) | 19:40 |
| @pbmdawg | 29 sub-requests if a Shift-Reload is done (everything refetched - JS/images/css) | 19:40 |
| xdanger | he has critisized some factors of admin interface and I would really like you to hear his input on the matter.. | 19:41 |
| @rizen | matt: nice | 19:43 |
| @rizen | we're getting better | 19:43 |
| @rizen | if i wasn't running some big background processes on plainblack.com right now it would be really super fast | 19:43 |
| @pbmdawg | heh | 19:43 |
| @pbmdawg | demo sites upgrading? | 19:43 |
| @rizen | you should have seen it this morning after the upgrade when nothing else was running | 19:43 |
| @rizen | no | 19:43 |
| @rizen | running the search indexer | 19:43 |
| @rizen | it's indexing all 36,000 assets | 19:43 |
| @rizen | on plainblack.com | 19:43 |
| @rizen | =) | 19:44 |
| @pbmdawg | have you created pop accounts for the various CSes yet? | 19:44 |
| @rizen | no | 19:44 |
| @rizen | i'm not entirely sure that I'm going to | 19:44 |
| @rizen | at least not for all of them | 19:44 |
| @rizen | haven't decided yet | 19:44 |
| @pbmdawg | I can't wait to reply to support posts via email :) | 19:45 |
| @pbmdawg | that'll be fun | 19:45 |
| @pbmdawg | if I had a blackberry.... | 19:45 |
| @rizen | that one will be set up in the next few minutes | 19:46 |
| @pbmdawg | plainblack.com is slow now | 19:47 |
| xdanger | I'm really looking forward for the Project managment and time tracking assets =) | 19:48 |
| xdanger | once they get "stable" | 19:48 |
| xdanger | Only waiting for crm, and that would be all that I really need =D | 19:49 |
| xdanger | we'll intergration to a calendar, maybe... | 19:49 |
| xdanger | rizen: maybe you should have said 21 CET, since I belive that we europeans all use 24h times... (not sure) | 19:52 |
| @rizen | maybe you should post a reply | 19:52 |
| xdanger | =) | 19:53 |
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| @pbmdawg | HEY gerald | 19:58 |
| +crythias | heh | 19:58 |
| @pbmdawg | HOW's it GOING | 19:58 |
| +crythias | um. cool, I guess. | 19:58 |
| +crythias | JT: what is the status on the RFE post you posted? | 20:00 |
| xdanger | rizen: btw. is there anyone doing the benchmarking for the internal redirects? | 20:00 |
| @pbmdawg | xdanger: no | 20:01 |
| @rizen | gerald: i haven't even looked at it yet | 20:02 |
| @rizen | just noticed your reply today | 20:02 |
| @rizen | will probably work on it this afternoon | 20:02 |
| @pbmdawg | bb in 2 hours | 20:02 |
| xdanger | I could do the test tomorrow or the next... just don't now any other benchmarks than the ab for this =) | 20:04 |
| @rizen | there are two types of benchmarks that i use | 20:05 |
| @rizen | ab is certainly one | 20:05 |
| @rizen | but i also like to use Time::HiRes | 20:05 |
| @rizen | laced in the code | 20:05 |
| @rizen | with $session->errorHandler->warn() | 20:05 |
| @rizen | statements | 20:05 |
| @rizen | cuz then i can get a good idea | 20:05 |
| @rizen | of not only the whole overall performance | 20:06 |
| @rizen | but the individual steps along the way | 20:06 |
| xdanger | ok, that's what I have used also... | 20:07 |
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| +crythias | what is left to discuss? | 20:10 |
| +crythias | some of the stuff I'm assuming? is noted and fixed... like slow discussion boards? | 20:11 |
| @rizen | we haven't even begun yet | 20:12 |
| @rizen | and i'd prefer not to begin talking about rough edges until 2pm | 20:12 |
| @rizen | so everyone can participate | 20:12 |
| @rizen | but if you have other things you'd like to talk about | 20:12 |
| @rizen | let's hear them | 20:13 |
| +crythias | 2pm is two hours for you? | 20:13 |
| +crythias | "_ | 20:13 |
| +crythias | :) | 20:13 |
| @rizen | yup | 20:15 |
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| @rizen | welcome erik | 20:21 |
| Cantona_in_swe | thanks! | 20:21 |
| @rizen | just so you know | 20:22 |
| @rizen | you're a bit early | 20:22 |
| @rizen | 1.5 hours yet | 20:22 |
| @rizen | before we begin | 20:22 |
| Cantona_in_swe | yeah - I just wanted to see if I was at the right place =) | 20:23 |
| @rizen | k | 20:23 |
| Cantona_in_swe | Bug in th newest release? I noticed that the lock ability has been broken and it worked in .0 release | 20:25 |
| Cantona_in_swe | BTW - I really like the way the "lock" has been implemented | 20:25 |
| @rizen | works for me | 20:26 |
| @rizen | i just did it on demo.plainblack.com | 20:26 |
| @rizen | please keep in mind | 20:26 |
| @rizen | that when you lock it | 20:26 |
| @rizen | it doesn't show up locked for you | 20:26 |
| @rizen | only for the other users | 20:26 |
| @rizen | not in your version tag | 20:26 |
| Cantona_in_swe | though I would like a smooth unlock (if entitled). As it is now I need to go to admin->versions. An "unlock" icon would be cool and a way to release the lock | 20:26 |
| @rizen | i'm glad to hear that you like the lock | 20:27 |
| @rizen | the problem with that is that you can't unlock | 20:27 |
| @rizen | you either have to rollback the changes you've made | 20:27 |
| @rizen | or you have to commit them | 20:27 |
| @rizen | lock is really just an empty revision | 20:27 |
| Cantona_in_swe | maybe a "quick commit" | 20:27 |
| @rizen | there is a quick committ | 20:27 |
| @rizen | look in your admin bar | 20:28 |
| @rizen | after creating the lock | 20:28 |
| @rizen | you'll see a "version tags" tab | 20:28 |
| @rizen | with a "commit my changes" link | 20:28 |
| xdanger | that's a great new feature btw ;) | 20:28 |
| @rizen | thanks | 20:28 |
| * snapcount stretches | 20:28 | |
| xdanger | and that the adminbar doesn't show clipboard and packages if there are none ;) | 20:29 |
| xdanger | aren't | 20:29 |
| @rizen | correct | 20:29 |
| @rizen | to save screen realestate more than anything | 20:29 |
| greghacke | I miss anything cool? | 20:30 |
| @snapcount | I stretched =) | 20:30 |
| xdanger | but, we usually give the admin bar a fixed position so that you don't have to see it floating with you when you scroll... | 20:30 |
| xdanger | don't now the real term for it, not a css guy =) | 20:30 |
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| xdanger | but so that it stays in sight even when yous scroll with out the "delay" | 20:31 |
| greghacke | position: fixed | 20:31 |
| greghacke | problem is, IE doesn't do well with fixed | 20:31 |
| xdanger | could be =) | 20:31 |
| xdanger | yeah, ie suxor major | 20:31 |
| xdanger | we'll I'll be of to buy some beer and cat food =P | 20:32 |
| xdanger | brb | 20:32 |
| greghacke | or position: static ie has trouble with both and opera isn't fond of static | 20:32 |
| Cantona_in_swe | I leave for a while - need to get some food :-) | 20:35 |
| @rizen | see you in a bit | 20:35 |
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| +luke___ | re | 20:38 |
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| @rizen | oh how i hate xml | 21:35 |
| @rizen | let me count the ways i hate it | 21:35 |
| @rizen | 1) it's bloated | 21:35 |
| @rizen | 2) it's overly complex | 21:35 |
| @rizen | 3) most people that design schemas don't know what an egg carton is, let alone what it has to do with eggs | 21:35 |
| @rizen | 4) it's not pretty to read | 21:36 |
| @rizen | 5) it's slow to parse | 21:36 |
| @rizen | 6) cdata sections are messy | 21:36 |
| @rizen | 7) the only thing worse than xml schema is xml dtd | 21:36 |
| @pbmdawg | can anyone here read Swedish? | 21:36 |
| @rizen | 8) matt probably likes xml | 21:37 |
| * pbmdawg barfs | 21:37 | |
| @rizen | 9) did i mention how fat it is, it's like like matt's mom, it needs it's own zip code | 21:37 |
| greghacke | so who is everyone? | 21:37 |
| @rizen | anybody more more matt's mom jokes? | 21:37 |
| @rizen | very much like yo mamma jokes, but all about matt's mom | 21:38 |
| @pbmdawg | my mom surrendered her windows pc to a botnet the other day. her aol account sent out 600 messages on Sunday before it was shut down by AOL | 21:38 |
| @pbmdawg | (not joking) | 21:38 |
| greghacke | you are mean. letting your mother use AOL | 21:39 |
| @rizen | was that on mother's day? | 21:39 |
| @pbmdawg | she's getting a mac mini as soon as I get home next week | 21:39 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah | 21:39 |
| @rizen | was it the mothers day attack | 21:39 |
| @pbmdawg | don't know | 21:39 |
| @rizen | i'm just making that up | 21:39 |
| * pbmdawg prepares a bugfix release of WebGUI Virtual Dev Environment | 21:40 | |
| +crythias | wow | 21:40 |
| +crythias | "you've got spam" | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | first release did not have mac address hardcoded | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | and the centos iso in the cdrom | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | thanks to greg for testing | 21:41 |
| @pbmdawg | and it was missing dev.localhost.localdomain from the hosts file | 21:42 |
| @pbmdawg | so spectre wouldn't start | 21:42 |
| @snapcount | XML rulez | 21:42 |
| @pbmdawg | n-e-waze | 21:42 |
| +crythias | I was watching this lady going 35 in a 45 zone. cell phone in one hand, cigarette in another. My wife said, "that's really dangerous." I said, "I know, she's going to get brain cancer and lung cancer" | 21:43 |
| @rizen | someone please fire roy | 21:44 |
| +crythias | so, JT: why is xml so bad? It's great for perl processing to csv... | 21:44 |
| * pbmdawg fires Roy | 21:44 | |
| +crythias | I could do it in awk in like no time. | 21:44 |
| @rizen | you could do what in awk? | 21:45 |
| @rizen | fire roy?> | 21:45 |
| +crythias | convert xml to csv | 21:45 |
| @pbmdawg | s/xml/csv/g | 21:45 |
| +crythias | heh | 21:45 |
| * pbmdawg rotfl | 21:45 | |
| @snapcount | never been fired with awk before | 21:46 |
| +crythias | that'd be awk-ward | 21:46 |
| * snapcount kicks crythias | 21:46 | |
| @rizen | 10) xml is very easily corrupted | 21:46 |
| * pbmdawg klines crythias | 21:46 | |
| @rizen | 11) XML::Simple can't parse the XML feed from sf | 21:46 |
| * crythias pays xml a lil bit unda da table. | 21:46 | |
| @snapcount | isn't that like an oxymoron | 21:47 |
| @snapcount | XML::Simple | 21:47 |
| @pbmdawg | can anyone/anything parse anything from sf? | 21:47 |
| +crythias | I could. | 21:47 |
| +crythias | nobody asked me, I know. | 21:47 |
| @snapcount | the NSA probably has a few machines lying around that could do it | 21:47 |
| greghacke | having worked at NSA, don't be so sure about that... | 21:48 |
| @snapcount | whoa... math geek? | 21:48 |
| @pbmdawg | greghacke - as far as you needed to know. | 21:48 |
| @rizen | 12) XML is a bad idea in most places, and a horrible idea everywhere else | 21:48 |
| @snapcount | hehe | 21:48 |
| greghacke | intel analyst and linguist for CT | 21:48 |
| @snapcount | for Conneticut? | 21:49 |
| @snapcount | don't they speak English =P | 21:49 |
| greghacke | Counter-Terrorism ;) | 21:49 |
| @pbmdawg | counter terrorism... don't you watch 24 | 21:49 |
| @snapcount | as a 24 fan... I should know that | 21:49 |
| @snapcount | JT you can't continue complaining unless you start numbering your gripes in binary | 21:50 |
| @rizen | shall i start enumerating the reasons that binary sucks as well | 21:51 |
| greghacke | but you are only alotted two reasons binary sucks... | 21:51 |
| +crythias | 10 reasons that binary sucks: | 21:51 |
| +crythias | heh | 21:51 |
| @snapcount | there you go | 21:52 |
| +crythias | 0 gotta start with 0 | 21:52 |
| +crythias | 1 can't count higher than 1 | 21:52 |
| +crythias | :) | 21:52 |
| @pbmdawg | since we're talking about rough edges in wG7 in 9 minutes | 21:53 |
| @rizen | 0 hex is more efficient | 21:53 |
| @pbmdawg | how about some not-so-rough edges? | 21:53 |
| @rizen | 1 stack overflow | 21:53 |
| @pbmdawg | (until then) | 21:53 |
| @rizen | that sounds like another one of your construed fine lines | 21:54 |
| +crythias | If at first you don't succeed, perhaps skydiving wasn't for you. | 21:54 |
| @pbmdawg | fishing for compliments on wG7 with that last missive | 21:54 |
| +crythias | ooh.. it's kinda prettier :) | 21:55 |
| @rizen | kinda | 21:55 |
| @rizen | kinda | 21:55 |
| @rizen | kinda?!?!?!! | 21:55 |
| @pbmdawg | the default style actually looks decent in IE! | 21:55 |
| @pbmdawg | yay! | 21:55 |
| @rizen | someone pull geralds toenails out with a rusty pair of pliers please | 21:56 |
| +crythias | yeah. kinda ... as in white on gray is nice if it's bold enough. | 21:56 |
| +crythias | (I'm talking about plainblack.com) sorry. | 21:56 |
| +crythias | why is the hover cursor an I beam over the menu? | 21:57 |
| @pbmdawg | report it to SF | 21:57 |
| @pbmdawg | :-D | 21:57 |
| +crythias | (now I'm talking about demo.plainblack.com) | 21:57 |
| @rizen | dont' report it to sf | 21:57 |
| @rizen | we're not using sf for bugs anymore | 21:57 |
| * pbmdawg cows in terror | 21:58 | |
| @rizen | plainblack.com/bugs | 21:58 |
| @pbmdawg | *cowers | 21:58 |
| * rizen cowers | 21:58 | |
| +crythias | ooh. your own little wg vido on how to start. | 21:58 |
| * rizen whispers ' why are we cowering ' | 21:58 | |
| +crythias | surprised the Edit button sill isn't cleanly transparent. | 21:59 |
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| @rizen | Well, 14 for a first turn out isn't too bad. | 22:00 |
| @pbmdawg | 2 o-clock | 22:00 |
| +crythias | hah! | 22:00 |
| @rizen | Welcome to the very first community IRC day everybody | 22:00 |
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| @rizen | We're here today to talk about the rough edges in WebGUI 7 | 22:00 |
| @rizen | Hopefully you've all had a chance to check it out at this point. | 22:01 |
| @rizen | If not, feel free to do so on demo.plainblack.com | 22:01 |
| @rizen | What do I mean by rough edges: | 22:01 |
| @rizen | UI Problems...things that don't look as clean as they should | 22:01 |
| @rizen | Usability problems...things that don't work as well as they should | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | Proccess problems...things that require more thought than they should | 22:02 |
| @rizen | That's what I mean by rough edges | 22:02 |
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| @rizen | So with that, anybody have some opening remarks? | 22:02 |
| @rizen | Anybody have comments? | 22:03 |
| @rizen | Questions about WebGUI 7? | 22:03 |
| +crythias | go into admin mode doesn't work in the demo: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started | 22:03 |
| @rizen | Scathing rebuttle about anything I've said? | 22:03 |
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| +crythias | the link. | 22:03 |
| @rizen | One more qualification | 22:03 |
| @rizen | DO NOT use this discussion to report bugs | 22:03 |
| greghacke | Having been toying with 7.0, I can tell you now that there are many functions that are very clean. | 22:03 |
| @rizen | this is not the bug list | 22:03 |
| @rizen | http://www.plainblack.com/bugs | 22:03 |
| +crythias | when you log in, the link changes to http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1147978495_570/getting_started?op=auth;method=logout | 22:03 |
| +crythias | ok. sorry. | 22:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ok I have an issue | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's in the asset manager | 22:04 |
| @rizen | is it a bug? | 22:04 |
| @rizen | or something else? | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the crumbtrail that sais where your are | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | no bug | 22:04 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | it just bugs me | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | the last (rightmost link) is the location where you are | 22:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | It makes no sense to click omn a link that brings you to the exact same location | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | So I would opt to make clicking that link.... | 22:05 |
| @rizen | It bugs you that it's linked? | 22:05 |
| @rizen | or that' it's there? | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | to return a pull down menu | 22:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | just like the more function | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I usually click on the name of the asset | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the edit link | 22:06 |
| xdanger | yeah, that would be nice | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I have to go back | 22:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | and click edit | 22:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | the link doesn't bug me | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's that you cannot the asset where you are at | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | clear? | 22:07 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:07 |
| @rizen | written down and everything | 22:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 22:07 |
| +crythias | why are the edit buttons below the move grab icon? | 22:07 |
| @rizen | What else could be better? | 22:07 |
| @rizen | smoothed out | 22:08 |
| @rizen | etc | 22:08 |
| xdanger | btw. asset manager doesn't work in safari... (I know, I'll report a bug) | 22:08 |
| @rizen | btw: safari isn't a supported browser | 22:08 |
| @rizen | the edit buttons are below the drag icon because they are | 22:08 |
| @rizen | why is the sky blue? | 22:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | it has to do with breaking index | 22:09 |
| +crythias | so put the drag to the left of the indicator icon? | 22:09 |
| @rizen | gerald, the drag icon is where it is | 22:09 |
| @rizen | cuz that's how it's positioned in the template | 22:09 |
| @rizen | what is the "indicator" icon? | 22:10 |
| @rizen | do you mean the class icon? | 22:10 |
| +crythias | yes. | 22:10 |
| @rizen | the one that tells you what type of asset it is? | 22:10 |
| @rizen | tell me this | 22:10 |
| @rizen | why would it be better over there? | 22:10 |
| @rizen | also keep in mind that you're talking about two different templates | 22:10 |
| +crythias | because people work from left to right. why split it? | 22:10 |
| @rizen | the toolbar is in the asset template | 22:11 |
| @rizen | while the drag icon is in the layout template | 22:11 |
| @rizen | they're not part of the same toolbar | 22:11 |
| @rizen | that's why they're split | 22:11 |
| @rizen | drag is not a function of article | 22:11 |
| @rizen | snippet | 22:11 |
| @rizen | forum | 22:11 |
| @rizen | or anything else | 22:11 |
| @rizen | it's a function of layout | 22:11 |
| @rizen | they can't be part of the same toolbar | 22:11 |
| @rizen | cuz they are not in the same template | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | A solution might be to put the drag icon on the left | 22:12 |
| @rizen | left of what? | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | Since most article and stuff are aligned left | 22:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might be more clear what the drag icon belongs to | 22:12 |
| @rizen | left of what? | 22:13 |
| +crythias | or make a full div drag bar like a window. | 22:13 |
| @rizen | you said on the left | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | the left side of the assetbox | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | still above | 22:13 |
| xdanger | why not put the "drag-area" from the buttons until the right edge... like a window | 22:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but now it's algined right and above | 22:13 |
| @rizen | xdanger, could you restate, i'm not getting you | 22:14 |
| @rizen | btw...this is why the drag button is where it is and why it is...everybody has a zillion ideas | 22:14 |
| xdanger | same what crythias is suggesting... | 22:15 |
| @rizen | wait...let's back up for a second | 22:15 |
| xdanger | I think... | 22:15 |
| +crythias | |++++++++++++++++| | 22:15 |
| +crythias | |[/][x][Edit][Cut][Copy] | 22:15 |
| @rizen | why is the drag icon a problem at the moment? | 22:15 |
| @rizen | maybe if i understand the problem | 22:15 |
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| @rizen | i'll understand the solutions you're presenting | 22:15 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I do not have a problem with it myself... | 22:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if you have a very wide asset... | 22:16 |
| nbcccorp | not nice to talk about people's wide assets | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | the drag icon is way over at the right of the screen | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | while the other controls are left | 22:16 |
| @pbmdawg | kind of like in the Dashboard, where the whole top row is a dragger | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | they don't seem to belong to each other | 22:16 |
| @rizen | yes matt, that's the solution they're presenting | 22:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | or the same asset if you will | 22:16 |
| @rizen | but i want to know the problem | 22:16 |
| @rizen | so martin has one problem | 22:17 |
| @rizen | are there others? | 22:17 |
| +crythias | it's a rough edge, and not convenient nor really that intuitive. | 22:17 |
| @rizen | gerald: that's a useless statement | 22:17 |
| @rizen | i get that it's a rough edge | 22:17 |
| @rizen | what i'm asking is why? | 22:17 |
| @rizen | why is it a rough edge? | 22:18 |
| @pbmdawg | if the dragger were bigger, the cursor:move area would be bigger, and it would be more obvious that there even is a dragger | 22:18 |
| +crythias | it's not convenient on a large screen to drag your cursor all the way to the left to do a frequent task. | 22:18 |
| +crythias | to the right | 22:18 |
| @rizen | your cursor is on the right most times anyway | 22:18 |
| @rizen | cuz that's where your scroll bar is | 22:18 |
| kmaclean | if you have side by side page layout template with 2 side by side articles containing wide tables, then you can't get at the drag icon on the left hand article | 22:18 |
| +crythias | I use a wheel | 22:18 |
| @rizen | see now that's a good answer | 22:19 |
| @rizen | thank you kmaclean | 22:19 |
| kmaclean | no prob | 22:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I agree with gerald that controls for the same asset should be in each others proximity. | 22:19 |
| @rizen | So if we make a full length dragger bar | 22:20 |
| @rizen | that runs the entire length of the top of an asset | 22:20 |
| @rizen | does that solve all the problems listed? | 22:20 |
| @rizen | methinks yes | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would be better | 22:20 |
| @rizen | what do you think | 22:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think yes | 22:20 |
| @Vrby | I think yes | 22:20 |
| +crythias | yes. and possibly *ducks* put the title in the drag bar. | 22:20 |
| greghacke | actually, we prefer it to the right here. it's not a training issue or anything, it's a functional issue. well... what if we could just "also" use the asset indicator to drag? | 22:21 |
| @rizen | greg: the reason you can't | 22:21 |
| @rizen | is because the asset indicator is not a required element of a toolbar | 22:21 |
| @rizen | and it isn't part of the layout template | 22:21 |
| @rizen | it's the part of each asset template | 22:21 |
| greghacke | Ah, see? is why you are you | 22:21 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:22 |
| @rizen | problem noted and will be corrected | 22:22 |
| @rizen | next | 22:22 |
| greghacke | so, full length I could agree with but title is... not good for me. | 22:22 |
| greghacke | My q - 508 compliance, I need to add alt/title to all form elements. Right now, I can do it on many elements but not things like the login username/password input areas | 22:22 |
| greghacke | (or can I and I just haven't realized it?) | 22:22 |
| @rizen | everything is a template | 22:22 |
| +crythias | for administration of the website, greghacke? | 22:22 |
| @rizen | so you can do it | 22:22 |
| @rizen | but it might be a pain | 22:23 |
| @rizen | we went through a section 508 compliance thing | 22:23 |
| @rizen | and alt on form elements was not mentioned | 22:23 |
| +crythias | sorry. missed the change topic cue. | 22:23 |
| greghacke | the only one i seem to still get hit on and the one i get he the input | 22:23 |
| @rizen | steve: do you know, is alt a valid attribute of input tags in XHTML 1.0 strict? | 22:24 |
| @Meatbop | that one hadn't come up, so I'm not 100% on it | 22:24 |
| @Meatbop | alt does not sound like a vaild attribute of input | 22:25 |
| greghacke | A. 508 Standards, Section 1194.22, (a) A text equivalent for every non-text element shall be provided (e.g., via "alt", "longdesc", or in element content). | 22:25 |
| greghacke | Rule: 1.1.2 - All INPUT elements are required to contain the alt attribute or use a LABEL. | 22:25 |
| greghacke | 22:25 | |
| greghacke | * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type TEXT, found at Line: 384, Column: 4 | 22:25 |
| greghacke | * Failure - INPUT Element, of Type PASSWORD, found at Line: 386, Column: 4 | 22:25 |
| greghacke | that's what i get on my 6.99.x site | 22:25 |
| @rizen | noted and will be investigated | 22:26 |
| @rizen | next | 22:26 |
| @Meatbop | one thing that i've noticed in my use of versioning is that when you're finished and you have the option to 'go back to site' it takes you to your homepage instead of the last page you were viewing, despite the fact that the url of the page you were viewing is still in the address bar | 22:26 |
| @rizen | yup | 22:26 |
| @rizen | that's by design | 22:26 |
| @rizen | the reason is | 22:26 |
| @rizen | the page you were just visiting | 22:26 |
| @rizen | since it is in the commit process | 22:26 |
| @rizen | may not yet be visible | 22:27 |
| @Meatbop | ah, the delay | 22:27 |
| @fdillon | but if you click on the "back to site" in the left hand nav, it takes you back to the page | 22:27 |
| @fdillon | er right hand nav | 22:27 |
| @rizen | next | 22:27 |
| @fdillon | on that same admin screen | 22:27 |
| Cantona_in_swe | For simplicity: today the editbar consists of asset type, edit, cut, copy, create shortcut. Is it posible to remove the cut, copy and create shortcut since (in our case) it is seldom used compared to edit. | 22:27 |
| Cantona_in_swe | Maybe these features should only be accessible in Asset manager? Or what about a configable <tmpl_var controls>? Or UI levele? | 22:27 |
| @rizen | we had considered hiding them under the class icon menu | 22:28 |
| +crythias | maybe hide them under (x)? | 22:28 |
| @rizen | however, they are common enough | 22:28 |
| @rizen | (x> | 22:29 |
| @rizen | you mean delete? | 22:29 |
| nbcccorp | in addition to that question (cantona) can we add shortcuts so instead of just edit,cut,copy we might have edit,cut,copy,display,security, etcc. ? | 22:29 |
| @rizen | gerald: are you recommending hiding functions under th | 22:30 |
| @rizen | delete | 22:30 |
| @rizen | cantona: tell me this before we go further with this discussion | 22:30 |
| @rizen | why is it a problem having them there? | 22:30 |
| +crythias | yes, I was talking about hiding options under delete. | 22:31 |
| Cantona_in_swe | since users click on cut and they dont now how o get it back | 22:31 |
| @rizen | nbcccorp: this seems like it would just add clutter | 22:31 |
| @rizen | gerald: you are no longer welcome to submit ideas | 22:31 |
| @rizen | gerald: just kidding, but that's a bad idea | 22:31 |
| @rizen | cantona: you don't teach your users about clipboard? | 22:32 |
| @rizen | cantona: that's a very basic feature, and very important to webgui's functionality | 22:32 |
| nbcccorp | maybe to you but I think it's kind of annoying to have to click edit then display when going through a bunch of different things. Why would simply extending the list of shortcuts be any more cluttered than just having 3 or 4? It's all on it's own line. | 22:32 |
| Cantona_in_swe | many of ou users only have the ability to upload files (uilevel 1) | 22:32 |
| +crythias | because delete to trash and delete to clipboard are all that different? | 22:32 |
| Cantona_in_swe | and when they do this (replace a file) the get three other options - and they cant handle with it | 22:33 |
| @rizen | nbccorp: because the act of adding something to anything else automatically means it's more cluttered | 22:33 |
| @rizen | it's the definition of clutter | 22:33 |
| nbcccorp | wow. thanks for the def. I do understand that but I don't agree that it will be more cluttered. | 22:34 |
| @rizen | cantona: i see now | 22:34 |
| @rizen | cantona: i think that could be made configurable by UI level | 22:34 |
| Cantona_in_swe | cool | 22:34 |
| @rizen | nbccorp: i wasn't trying to rip on you | 22:34 |
| @rizen | nbccorp: sorry it came across that way | 22:35 |
| nbcccorp | np. Sometimes it's hard to tell the diff. no sweat. | 22:35 |
| Cantona_in_swe | What about adding "Lock" toi the control bar? | 22:35 |
| @rizen | nbccorp: to me though this seems like much more of a nice to have feature request than an actual problem | 22:35 |
| @snapcount | how do you change the rank of an asset in the asset manager? | 22:35 |
| @rizen | nbccorp: please submit it as an rfe | 22:35 |
| nbcccorp | However, I would rather have more shortcuts in one line than having to dig through multiple pages. | 22:36 |
| Cantona_in_swe | and make that UI configurable as well? | 22:36 |
| nbcccorp | agreed that it's more of a 'nice to have' than a problem. | 22:36 |
| @rizen | snapcount: you drag the rank colum...but vrby says that's borked right now | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | oh ok | 22:36 |
| @rizen | cantona: lock is hidden under the class icon | 22:36 |
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| Cantona_in_swe | woohoo - new features =) (for me) | 22:37 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:37 |
| @rizen | now that the toolbar thing is resolved | 22:37 |
| @rizen | next | 22:37 |
| +luke___ | What´s about renaming the Group "Secondary Admins" to "User Managers". They could only manage Users ? | 22:37 |
| @rizen | luke: secondary admins can do more than just manage users | 22:38 |
| @rizen | luke: with the right privileges, they can also manage groups | 22:38 |
| +luke___ | ooups, i take the question back :) | 22:38 |
| @rizen | next | 22:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have another | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you edit a template... | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | and click help... | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | you get the template asset help | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the templatre namespace you're editing | 22:39 |
| @rizen | good point | 22:39 |
| @rizen | say no more | 22:39 |
| @rizen | adding it to the list | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | I understand why it works this way | 22:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 22:40 |
| @rizen | added | 22:40 |
| @rizen | next | 22:40 |
| @snapcount | I think it might be nice if you could enable auto-commit again | 22:40 |
| @rizen | snapcount: can't be done | 22:40 |
| Cantona_in_swe | Versioning: locking assets: I would like to be able to see who locked a specific asset (today it says "locked" onMouseOve but not by who) | 22:41 |
| @rizen | next | 22:41 |
| +crythias | 15 seconds to load Etceter on plainblack.com? | 22:41 |
| @rizen | cantona: you can't see that in the asset manager, but you can see it when you look at the revisions of the asset | 22:42 |
| @rizen | cantona: if you'd like to see that, it's a nice to have, not a rough edge. please post it as an rfe | 22:42 |
| Cantona_in_swe | ok | 22:42 |
| +crythias | nm | 22:43 |
| @snapcount | why have a link that says, "search" in manage assets... I think a search box would save a click | 22:43 |
| @rizen | cyrthias: yes, i spent about 50 hours during this last dev cycle just speeding up cs | 22:43 |
| @rizen | because you're switching modes | 22:44 |
| @rizen | and eventually that will be more than just a couple input fields | 22:44 |
| @rizen | you'll be able to search on date, owner, etc | 22:44 |
| @rizen | next | 22:45 |
| +crythias | speeds now. | 22:45 |
| +crythias | that is to say, it's speedy, now. :) | 22:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have one wouter mentioned | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Wouter told me he'd like to copy assets in the am to the location where you are | 22:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | in stead of the copy to clipboard->paste back cycle | 22:46 |
| chansen | Good evening folks | 22:46 |
| @rizen | cantona: i may add that last thing you asked for in 6.99.x somewhere...just depends upon time, ease of doing it, and whether it's going to cause any headaches | 22:46 |
| chansen | Cantona_in_swe: svensk? | 22:47 |
| @rizen | martin: like a duplicate feature? | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | no really duplicate | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | imagine | 22:47 |
| @pbmdawg | chansen: stay on topic; meeting occuring | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | you want to edit a default template | 22:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you want to have a copy of it in the same place | 22:48 |
| +crythias | Yes. | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | it makes no sense to first copy it to the clipboard | 22:48 |
| @rizen | ok, i call it duplicate, what do you call it? | 22:48 |
| @rizen | we need a new button name | 22:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the past temaplates and stuff used to have a copy button | 22:48 |
| @rizen | cuz copy already copies to cliboard | 22:48 |
| +crythias | I like duplicate. | 22:48 |
| @pbmdawg | dupe | 22:48 |
| chansen | pbmdawg: ok, sorry, I didn't thought it was a meeting | 22:48 |
| +luke___ | "Copy to" | 22:48 |
| +crythias | I have a question: why does pasting remove from clipboard? | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | I unstood you wrong | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah duplicate would be a good name | 22:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | enderstood* btw' | 22:49 |
| @rizen | crythias | 22:49 |
| @rizen | because you're dealing with asset instances | 22:50 |
| @rizen | and in most cases | 22:50 |
| @rizen | you don't need to paste a thing more than once | 22:50 |
| Cantona_in_swe | chansen: ja, göteborg | 22:50 |
| @rizen | next | 22:50 |
| @rizen | duplicate added to list btw | 22:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 22:51 |
| +crythias | will commerce be handled by spectre in the future? | 22:51 |
| @rizen | how so? | 22:51 |
| @snapcount | async payment processing? | 22:52 |
| @rizen | do you mean like batch processing? | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not possible in some cases | 22:52 |
| @rizen | if so, no | 22:52 |
| @rizen | because we'll never store peoples cc info | 22:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c you cannot contact spectre from outside webgui right | 22:52 |
| @rizen | in the webgui db | 22:52 |
| @rizen | that's true martin | 22:53 |
| @rizen | but you could add an op to webgui | 22:53 |
| @rizen | that would contact spectre | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think snapcount means PayPal APN | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that could be done I guess | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | Well | 22:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | the real processing is done now by an hourly plugin | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | so tha'll move to spectre | 22:54 |
| * MrHairgrease gets back on topic | 22:54 | |
| @rizen | it already has moved to spectre | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 22:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know | 22:54 |
| @rizen | ok | 22:54 |
| @rizen | ok new topic | 22:55 |
| @rizen | How many here have played with 7? | 22:55 |
| Cantona_in_swe | what's the "graphics" in the admin bar all about? | 22:55 |
| greghacke | Me | 22:55 |
| * MrHairgrease raises his hand | 22:55 | |
| greghacke | Quite a bit as you can attest. | 22:55 |
| @rizen | just a few | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | Not very much right now cantona | 22:56 |
| @rizen | or are most of you being quiet? | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | You can create palettes and upload fonts | 22:56 |
| +luke___ | little bit | 22:56 |
| kmaclean | a bit | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | which ar eused by the graphing subsystem | 22:56 |
| @rizen | of those of you who have played with it | 22:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | It's only tied into the poll for now | 22:56 |
| @rizen | a couple of questions: | 22:56 |
| xdanger | I've been playing with svn version a long time now =) (mostly to see what new there is in it) | 22:57 |
| @rizen | 1) Do you think that the goodness of the end result of 7, was worth the pain of 6? | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 22:57 |
| xdanger | yes | 22:57 |
| Cantona_in_swe | yes | 22:57 |
| +luke___ | sure ! | 22:57 |
| @snapcount | si | 22:57 |
| @pbmdawg | what pain | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | It gavbe me a jog for two years | 22:57 |
| +crythias | yes | 22:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | a job* | 22:57 |
| @snapcount | lol | 22:57 |
| xdanger | when I started using wg in 6.0 and read the roadmap, my only comment was "I wish I could have 7 already" | 22:58 |
| greghacke | without a doubt. we struggled through 6 because even those benefits were worth my pain | 22:58 |
| @rizen | 2) With the exception of new features that you'll obviously want added in the future, does it meet your expectations of what 7 should be? | 22:58 |
| xdanger | and It's been a long wait, but 7 is awesome | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 22:58 |
| greghacke | rizen: it almost meets my expectations. in the 90th percentile | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | The only thing that could be better is speed | 22:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that has improved a lot already | 22:58 |
| @rizen | and as a follow-up of that question, what do you think should have been added to 7 to make it meet your expectations if it does not | 22:59 |
| xdanger | crm | 22:59 |
| @rizen | i don't mean what is on your wishlist | 22:59 |
| xdanger | =) | 22:59 |
| @snapcount | good one | 22:59 |
| @rizen | i mean what did you expect to be in 7 that you don't think is there | 23:00 |
| +crythias | themes? (question) | 23:00 |
| @rizen | themes are there | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | pr0n | 23:00 |
| +luke___ | :-) | 23:00 |
| @rizen | but they are called "Exportable Packages" | 23:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | oops | 23:00 |
| @Meatbop | heh | 23:00 |
| xdanger | content syntication | 23:00 |
| @rizen | you expected that to be there? | 23:00 |
| +crythias | able to bookmark tabs? :) | 23:00 |
| greghacke | I would say three things: a more robust commerce system and a system like ruby/rails' active record and no easy way to add a way to view a lsit-of-records (for new apps and some in place) | 23:01 |
| xdanger | but that could be done via packages, i guess | 23:01 |
| @rizen | what did we communicate to make you think that those things would be there? | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | The commerce system is still very basic | 23:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that was how it should be | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | 7 were to be the commerce upgrade | 23:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | will be* | 23:02 |
| @rizen | greg, xdanger, and crythias: what did we say that made you think those things were going to be in 7? | 23:02 |
| @rizen | how did we miscommunicate to let you down? | 23:02 |
| chansen | greghacke: DBIx::Class and Class::DBI are more featurefull than active record | 23:02 |
| xdanger | I haven't played around with workflow much, but I was under the impression that you could do some kind of programming like "When user register do this with this parameters" | 23:03 |
| greghacke | MrH: not a matter of simplicity - a matter of erroneous records, data integrity issues. | 23:03 |
| @rizen | xdanger: you can do those sorts of things | 23:03 |
| +crythias | rizen: I'm sort of kidding, but if I make my own type of interface, I'm not sure I'd be able to point a URL directly to an open tab. | 23:03 |
| @rizen | xdanger: you just need more activities to do more things | 23:03 |
| xdanger | from admin console, or does it require a new workflor plugin? | 23:03 |
| greghacke | rizen: it's not a miscommunication at all. the first point on commerce was re: experience. the second was more a desire (yes, should not have been included) the third was more of a functional operations issue | 23:04 |
| @rizen | xdanger: what i mean is, it is possible to do programish type things with the workflow engine, but we didn't include any programish type activities with the workflow engine, on purpose | 23:04 |
| @rizen | ok... | 23:05 |
| @rizen | our time has officially come and gone peeps | 23:05 |
| @rizen | any last words? | 23:05 |
| +crythias | how about passthru being default instead of manual override? | 23:05 |
| @rizen | huh? | 23:05 |
| xdanger | rizen: In some mail you talked about apples automator, so I had an idea to do something like calling another workflow and do if/elsif/else kind of stuff | 23:05 |
| Cantona_in_swe | from Sweden: good night =) | 23:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 23:06 |
| greghacke | Yes. My last word. wG7 is without a doubt, the strongest engine I can see. | 23:06 |
| @rizen | xdanger: yeah, we made a decision, halfway through coding the thing, to not include any programatic style activities by default at first | 23:06 |
| chansen | Cantona_in_swe: sov gott! | 23:06 |
| @rizen | xdanger: we wanted to first see how people were going to use the workflow engine, and then decide what activities to build | 23:07 |
| xdanger | rizen: but are they comming? maybe hide under UIlevel ? | 23:07 |
| @rizen | xdanger: can't say...wont' know until we start getting feedback | 23:07 |
| xdanger | ok | 23:07 |
| @rizen | ok peeps | 23:07 |
| @rizen | if you want to continue this conversation | 23:07 |
| @rizen | we'll be here again at 8am on tuesday | 23:08 |
| @rizen | and 8pm on thursday | 23:08 |
| xdanger | I love webgui, it's just a little bloaded, slow, does not work on debian stable =) | 23:08 |
| @rizen | of next week | 23:08 |
| greghacke | see you then | 23:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | what happened with postgres support btw | 23:08 |
| xdanger | but it's getting better, performance vice | 23:08 |
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| kmaclean | later | 23:09 |
| @pbmdawg | works in debian stable underwre | 23:09 |
| +crythias | JT: I'll be glad to parse the xml | 23:09 |
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| @pbmdawg | anyone feel free to stay and discuss | 23:09 |
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| +MrHairgrease | any people going to the wuc this year? | 23:09 |
| greghacke | absolutely | 23:09 |
| greghacke | i owe some drinks | 23:09 |
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| @rizen | gerald: please do | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | why do you owe drinks? | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | to me? | 23:10 |
| @fdillon | I'll be at the WUC =) | 23:10 |
| +crythias | All I need is the artifacts part | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a big surprise =) | 23:10 |
| greghacke | yes, to you | 23:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | why again? | 23:11 |
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| greghacke | this is wooter, yes? | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | wooter will be online next session | 23:11 |
| greghacke | then it is... | 23:11 |
| * pbmdawg wooted the other day | 23:11 | |
| +MrHairgrease | But I'll gladly drink his drinks | 23:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 23:11 |
| xdanger | I would like to come, but I'm not sure that I have the money.. | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | did my op=manageCron post make it before I fell off into the depths of cyberspace | 23:12 |
| greghacke | that works too. anyone who worked on commerce i'll be drinking with. | 23:12 |
| @pbmdawg | no | 23:12 |
| +crythias | that artifact_history part is annoying, but I can handle it. | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | we should put column headers on that screen | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | with hover help explaining the scheduling notation | 23:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | time to get a life | 23:13 |
| * MrHairgrease tries against all odds =) | 23:13 | |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 23:13 |
| @pbmdawg | later | 23:13 |
| greghacke | ciao | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | so I want to hear from the new comers... | 23:14 |
| @snapcount | first off welcome =) | 23:14 |
| @snapcount | who is cheecheeo | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | and julied? | 23:15 |
| greghacke | what is a "newcomer"? | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | alrighty then ... | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | someone new to the channel that I haven't seen before | 23:15 |
| +crythias | newcomers were on that movie "AlienNation" | 23:15 |
| @Meatbop | good flick | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | you don't count Greg? | 23:15 |
| @snapcount | =) | 23:16 |
| +luke___ | :) bye * | 23:16 |
| @snapcount | I can't type | 23:16 |
| @snapcount | rizen: I need an administrative assistant to type for me | 23:16 |
| @snapcount | =P | 23:16 |
| @rizen | gerald, what's your email addy? | 23:16 |
| +crythias | me@gwy.org | 23:17 |
| @rizen | can it handle a 6.5mb file? | 23:17 |
| +crythias | yeah. | 23:17 |
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| +crythias | rizen: what do you want in return? | 23:18 |
| @rizen | what do you mean | 23:19 |
| @rizen | file is away | 23:19 |
| @rizen | it's zipped to make it much smaller | 23:19 |
| @rizen | 1.1mb | 23:19 |
| +crythias | do you want this to be copy-pasted or can you handle a csv? | 23:19 |
| @rizen | csv will be troublesome at best | 23:19 |
| @rizen | because there will be a lot of garbage data in there | 23:20 |
| @rizen | i'd say either import it into a database and give me a dump | 23:20 |
| @rizen | or output it as JSON | 23:20 |
| +crythias | you want .sql? sure. | 23:20 |
| +crythias | how do you want to handle responses and changes to fields? | 23:21 |
| @rizen | throw out changes to fields | 23:21 |
| @rizen | couldn't care less | 23:21 |
| @rizen | all i really want is title | 23:21 |
| @rizen | aka summary | 23:21 |
| @rizen | and the message itself | 23:21 |
| @rizen | as far as comments | 23:21 |
| @rizen | append them to the message | 23:22 |
| @rizen | or break them out | 23:22 |
| @rizen | don't care | 23:22 |
| @rizen | the main message is the most important part | 23:22 |
| @rizen | throw out anything closed, pending, etc | 23:22 |
| @rizen | and don't include anything in the fix list | 23:22 |
| @rizen | only from the rfe list | 23:22 |
| +crythias | no problem | 23:22 |
| @rizen | thanks man | 23:23 |
| @rizen | i'll give you a pile of karma for htat | 23:23 |
| @rizen | that | 23:23 |
| +crythias | kewl. | 23:25 |
| +crythias | thanks for grabbing the raw data en masse. it'll help bunches. | 23:25 |
| +crythias | gtg ttfn | 23:25 |
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| @pbmdawg | mob dispersed | 23:45 |
| greghacke | not me! | 23:45 |
| greghacke | you just missed frank | 23:45 |
| @pbmdawg | :-D | 23:46 |
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| greghacke | so is this like the hang-out? | 00:09 |
| xdanger | yeah | 00:10 |
| greghacke | so how do i know who is whom? | 00:10 |
| xdanger | /whois | 00:10 |
| xdanger | =) | 00:10 |
| greghacke | that would work... | 00:11 |
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| +crythias | hey | 04:32 |
| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/RCB55F71.html | 04:33 |
| +crythias | :) | 04:33 |
| +crythias | I'm getting closer | 04:33 |
| snapcoun1 | hmm | 04:44 |
| snapcoun1 | How much Karma are you getting for doing this? | 04:44 |
| +crythias | I'm kinda distracted with tv while I'm doing this :) | 04:45 |
| +crythias | dunno. "bunches"? | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | I figured out how to do Paypal | 04:45 |
| +crythias | kewl! | 04:45 |
| +crythias | how? | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm going to bypass the commerce system | 04:45 |
| +crythias | and ... did I help, any? | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | yes | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | very much so | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm going to write a paypal asset | 04:45 |
| snapcoun1 | here's the idea | 04:46 |
| +crythias | kewlio. | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | I will distribute a modified commerce template for viewCart | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | so they can use the std wG shopping cart | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | like normal | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | but when they click pay | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | they will go to my paypal assets methods | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | then, my asset can get everything from their cart | 04:46 |
| snapcoun1 | redirect them, and all that fun stuff | 04:47 |
| snapcoun1 | whatever needs to be done | 04:47 |
| snapcoun1 | then, I can record the transaction details in the commerce systems transaction tables | 04:47 |
| snapcoun1 | it will have templates for each step of the process | 04:48 |
| snapcoun1 | and the asset will allow you to set the config params sent to paypal | 04:48 |
| +crythias | which is the interface Paypal is using? | 04:48 |
| snapcoun1 | to make their pages look like yours | 04:48 |
| snapcoun1 | colors, logo, etc | 04:48 |
| snapcoun1 | SOAP::Lite | 04:48 |
| snapcoun1 | but I'm going to use the paypal lib I found on CPAN | 04:49 |
| snapcoun1 | which wraps it into the same SDK methods paypal distributes for other languages | 04:49 |
| snapcoun1 | will make it very clean | 04:49 |
| snapcoun1 | so, what do you think? | 04:50 |
| +crythias | nice. | 04:50 |
| snapcoun1 | the only thing that sucks about it is this | 04:50 |
| +crythias | I was wondering if web payments standards or alternate payment method. | 04:50 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm going to use express checkout | 04:50 |
| snapcoun1 | the link you sent me | 04:50 |
| snapcoun1 | is that a paypal pro or standard thing? | 04:51 |
| snapcoun1 | I couldn't figure that out on their page | 04:51 |
| +crythias | that seemed like a reasonable thing. the only thing I didn't know if you figured out how to report success of order from paypal? | 04:51 |
| snapcoun1 | when you send them to paypal | 04:52 |
| snapcoun1 | you send paypal a returnUrl | 04:52 |
| snapcoun1 | they post a token to it | 04:52 |
| snapcoun1 | then your method posts back to them | 04:52 |
| snapcoun1 | and asks for the transaction result | 04:52 |
| +crythias | http://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_merchant-outside | 04:52 |
| +crythias | on the left, click additional payment options. | 04:53 |
| +crythias | (the link is the result of clicking "Merchant Tools" on the main paypal page. | 04:54 |
| snapcoun1 | I found it | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm going to use "Additonal Payment Option" | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | but it will be the only option | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | =) | 04:55 |
| +crythias | seems to be reasonable to me. | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | only bad thing is that customers can't select other configured payment gateways | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | however | 04:55 |
| snapcoun1 | they can use cc#, paypal, or check | 04:56 |
| +crythias | can't because of template? | 04:56 |
| snapcoun1 | because I can't add paypal as an option to the gateway screen | 04:56 |
| snapcoun1 | without making it a payment plug-in | 04:56 |
| +crythias | show me? | 04:56 |
| snapcoun1 | and then we're back to all the problems I discussed last night | 04:57 |
| +crythias | ok. demo.. then ... | 04:57 |
| snapcoun1 | line 914 | 04:58 |
| snapcoun1 | Operation/Commerce.pm | 04:58 |
| snapcoun1 | the problem is the submit button | 04:58 |
| snapcoun1 | I'd have to have two of them | 04:58 |
| snapcoun1 | one for paypal (that posted to my asset) | 04:58 |
| snapcoun1 | and one for regular commerce | 04:58 |
| +crythias | oh | 04:59 |
| +crythias | oh! | 04:59 |
| snapcoun1 | so you see my kunundrum | 04:59 |
| snapcoun1 | sp? | 04:59 |
| snapcoun1 | anyways | 04:59 |
| snapcoun1 | I don't think it's that big of deal | 04:59 |
| snapcoun1 | and it's only until 7.1 is out supposedly | 04:59 |
| +crythias | yes, you have to intercept the submit | 04:59 |
| +crythias | by changing the action in the form... | 05:00 |
| snapcoun1 | yeah | 05:00 |
| snapcoun1 | or having two forms | 05:00 |
| snapcoun1 | with two buttons | 05:00 |
| snapcoun1 | anyways... I'm going to charge forward | 05:01 |
| snapcoun1 | time to start coding!! | 05:01 |
| snapcoun1 | woo hoo | 05:01 |
| +crythias | change the action to preparse? | 05:01 |
| +crythias | that's easy in the template. | 05:01 |
| +crythias | if paypal is selected, do that, otherwise do the other. | 05:02 |
| snapcoun1 | with JS you mean? | 05:02 |
| +crythias | no form action | 05:02 |
| snapcoun1 | how can you make a submit button dynamically change the action of a form depending on what's selected? | 05:02 |
| +crythias | don't. | 05:02 |
| +crythias | just change the action in the <form> | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm not getting it | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | how do I change it? | 05:03 |
| +crythias | OK. <form action="preparse"> | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | oh I get it | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | write a method in my asset | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | that decides what to do | 05:03 |
| snapcoun1 | is that what you mean? | 05:04 |
| +crythias | sure | 05:04 |
| +crythias | why is paypal different than other transaction engines? | 05:04 |
| snapcoun1 | because most of the process happens external to the site | 05:05 |
| snapcoun1 | the other systems all happen locally | 05:05 |
| snapcoun1 | and are hard coded with those assumptions | 05:05 |
| +crythias | ok. :) but it still seems reasonable that the parse in the template could be an easy kludge? or is it just not appropriate? | 05:06 |
| snapcoun1 | yeah it would be easy, but the process will be less flexible for the person configuring the site | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | they will be forced to follow the commerce systems checkout process | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | and then follow paypals | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | which could be very weird | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | it doesn't fit | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | plus it is a hack | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | big time | 05:07 |
| snapcoun1 | although it is a very clever idea | 05:08 |
| snapcoun1 | I think my asset idea is the best solution given the circumstances | 05:08 |
| snapcoun1 | writing the asset will be easy | 05:08 |
| +crythias | ok. now I have to determine the best way to get a multi-line description in a useable format. | 05:08 |
| snapcoun1 | what format is it starting out as? | 05:09 |
| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7BveK791.html | 05:09 |
| +crythias | very regular. | 05:10 |
| snapcoun1 | so what do you want it to look like? | 05:10 |
| +crythias | um. | 05:10 |
| +crythias | something that could be imported into mysql? | 05:10 |
| +crythias | ? | 05:11 |
| +crythias | how does a text area look ... | 05:12 |
| snapcoun1 | why not this | 05:12 |
| snapcoun1 | write a regex that grabs the field name | 05:12 |
| snapcoun1 | and then everything between > and < | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | or the whole tag | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | probably better | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | make a hash | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | keyed by fieldname | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | insert row | 05:13 |
| snapcoun1 | rinse and repeat | 05:13 |
| +crythias | I've done that for same-line tags. which is why the first link works. | 05:14 |
| snapcoun1 | this is what Perl was born for | 05:14 |
| snapcoun1 | processing text | 05:15 |
| +crythias | and awk | 05:15 |
| +crythias | :) | 05:15 |
| snapcoun1 | hehe | 05:15 |
| +crythias | my code so far http://rafb.net/paste/results/DHt22n46.html | 05:15 |
| +crythias | my results http://rafb.net/paste/results/RCB55F71.html | 05:16 |
| +crythias | 'cept now they're comma-delim'd | 05:16 |
| +crythias | ok \n is adequate | 05:20 |
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| Radix-wrk | busy channel this one eh! :) | 11:16 |
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| +luke___ | hi * | 12:50 |
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| @pbmdawg | howdy | 16:14 |
| Baylink | Morn | 16:14 |
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| @pbmdawg | jra - you missed the meeting yesterday? | 16:19 |
| xdanger | pbmdawg: I have an idea that I would like to have some input on. Do you have little time? | 16:46 |
| @pbmdawg | sure | 16:46 |
| @pbmdawg | I'm on vacation | 16:47 |
| @pbmdawg | go ahead | 16:47 |
| xdanger | This morning (it almost 5pm here now) I was thinking about a site with lots of multimedia... flash,movies,pictures and stuff... | 16:47 |
| xdanger | and thought that It would be nice to have a WebGUI::File::Flash, movies, etc... | 16:48 |
| xdanger | and that that could be a plugable system for creating handlers for different filetypes | 16:48 |
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| xdanger | so that you could embed the video or flash to the site like an image | 16:50 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah | 16:50 |
| @pbmdawg | it's ironic | 16:50 |
| @pbmdawg | I'm writing that plugin for the wuc | 16:50 |
| xdanger | =D | 16:50 |
| xdanger | nice =) | 16:51 |
| @pbmdawg | as the demo for the Asset talk | 16:51 |
| xdanger | We're planning some consumer portals, and I'm thinking of using webgui for some parts of it... or the front part of it and call other (mostly php) stuff via web services.. | 16:52 |
| @pbmdawg | was it you who was complaining about webgui's speed yesterday? | 16:53 |
| +crythias | me | 16:53 |
| xdanger | and me too | 16:53 |
| xdanger | we'll I understand why it is the way it is... | 16:53 |
| @pbmdawg | no | 16:54 |
| @pbmdawg | there are numerous speed improvements still to be made | 16:54 |
| xdanger | It's always a battle between the Features/ease of use/performance... | 16:54 |
| @pbmdawg | nah | 16:54 |
| @pbmdawg | in this case, there's still tons of room for improvement | 16:54 |
| xdanger | That I belive, and that why I like webgui =) | 16:54 |
| @pbmdawg | there are some very large inefficiencies right now | 16:54 |
| xdanger | argee with that | 16:55 |
| +crythias | darn it. | 16:55 |
| xdanger | but mod_perl2 and caching has done wonders ;) | 16:55 |
| +crythias | xdanger: you still logging? | 16:55 |
| xdanger | yep | 16:55 |
| +crythias | url please? | 16:56 |
| xdanger | the public logs are updated every hour, if I remember correctly | 16:56 |
| +crythias | I posted my code and now I need it. maybe | 16:56 |
| +crythias | heh | 16:56 |
| xdanger | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 16:56 |
| xdanger | =D | 16:56 |
| +crythias | what about that interface? | 16:57 |
| xdanger | what interface? | 16:57 |
| +crythias | whew | 16:58 |
| +crythias | there was a pretty statistics | 16:58 |
| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/DHt22n46.html | 16:58 |
| +crythias | whew | 16:58 |
| +crythias | :) | 16:58 |
| xdanger | crythias: you mean: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/webgui | 16:58 |
| +crythias | yep thanks! | 16:58 |
| @pbmdawg | bb in 30 | 17:00 |
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| +crythias | During this 138-day reporting period, a total of 138 different nicks were represented on #webgui. | 17:04 |
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| Baylink | pbmdawg: Yeah, I was on the road | 17:20 |
| @pbmdawg | why is it that I can't buy a pc from dell without also paying for a monitor | 18:00 |
| +crythias | start with a server :) | 18:02 |
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| +crythias | woof woof | 20:43 |
| @pbmdawg | moo moo | 20:43 |
| +crythias | I want a $25 mouse | 20:43 |
| @pbmdawg | ha | 20:44 |
| @pbmdawg | my woot won't get here until 10 days after its day | 20:45 |
| +crythias | still don't think it's necessary to kill an asset from clipboard on paste | 20:46 |
| * crythias grumbles. | 20:46 | |
| +crythias | otherwise, it's a move, which shouldn't need clipboard. | 20:46 |
| @pbmdawg | so you're saying a new button should be added | 20:47 |
| @pbmdawg | paste and leave in clipboard | 20:47 |
| +crythias | no. | 20:47 |
| @pbmdawg | move does need clipboard | 20:47 |
| @pbmdawg | how else would you move | 20:47 |
| +crythias | asset tree popup | 20:47 |
| +crythias | same way you choose home page or not_found page | 20:48 |
| @pbmdawg | I dunno | 20:49 |
| +crythias | clipboard paste should be generate new guid on paste. | 20:49 |
| @pbmdawg | ROCKSOFF | 20:54 |
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| Baylink | Paste, by common definition, does *not* remove the pasted item from the clipboard; that's the behavior people will expect. | 21:07 |
| Baylink | If I "copy" two things, and then paste twice, what happens? | 21:08 |
| @pbmdawg | then how does one remove things from the clipboard | 21:08 |
| +crythias | clik [x] remove from clipboard | 21:08 |
| Baylink | That depends on how many things can be *on* the clipboard. | 21:08 |
| Baylink | Commonly, it's only one. | 21:08 |
| +crythias | Baylink: not really. | 21:08 |
| @pbmdawg | it would be silly to restrict it like that | 21:08 |
| +crythias | especially in regards to Microsoft's newer Office. | 21:09 |
| Baylink | "It would be silly" to call it a clipboard, and make it behave unlike how clipboards behave. | 21:09 |
| @pbmdawg | now we're getting somewhere... what should it be called | 21:09 |
| Baylink | Call it something else. "Scrapbook", perhaps. | 21:09 |
| +crythias | tearsheet | 21:09 |
| @pbmdawg | piddle pad | 21:09 |
| Baylink | In any event, if you're going to have more than one thing on it, you have to define how to pick what you're going to paste. | 21:09 |
| @pbmdawg | in admin mode, you can only paste one at a time | 21:10 |
| +crythias | you do, now. click the [ ] for each asset to paste | 21:10 |
| @pbmdawg | in the asset manager, you check the boxes and click paste | 21:10 |
| Baylink | Ah. Ok. Don't have 6.99 installed yet. | 21:10 |
| @pbmdawg | that's from 6.5 on | 21:10 |
| Baylink | I speak ex-cathedra merely on general issues of UI design. :-) | 21:11 |
| Baylink | (And I haven't worked real much on my 6.8.7 :-) | 21:11 |
| @pbmdawg | feel free to bring up the naming issue during our next meeting - Tuesday | 21:11 |
| Baylink | Do my best; what time EDT? | 21:11 |
| @pbmdawg | Tuesday, May 23, at 8am US Central (GMT/UTC -5) | 21:12 |
| @pbmdawg | Thursday, May 25, at 8pm US Central (GMT/UTC -5) | 21:12 |
| Baylink | 8pm a lot more likely than 8am. :-) | 21:15 |
| Baylink | Thanks. | 21:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | crythias: do you have perl running on a windows box? | 06:55 |
| +crythias | yeah | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | can you help me with something quick? | 06:55 |
| +crythias | kay | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | put these three lines in a file, along with whatever shebang magic is used by windows and paste the results back? | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | opendir my $DH, '.'; | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | print join "\n", readdir $DH; | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | close $DH; | 06:56 |
| +crythias | gimme sec | 06:56 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 06:56 |
| +crythias | can I use strict and use warnings? | 06:58 |
| +crythias | or just as is? | 06:58 |
| +crythias | dir listing. | 06:59 |
| +crythias | I don't think you want the listing of my files... | 06:59 |
| +perlDreamer | well, I'd really like it to show me an almost empty directory | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have one | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | i need to see if things like ../ and ./ show up | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | like they do in Unix | 07:00 |
| +crythias | yes | 07:00 |
| +crythias | . | 07:00 |
| +crythias | .. | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 07:00 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks! | 07:00 |
| +crythias | no slashes | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all right | 07:01 |
| +perlDreamer | JT entered a bug against Storage.pm, and since I was writing a test for it I picked it up. | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Basically, do you remember your old bug about the Storage system leaking inodes | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | since directories stubs get left? | 07:02 |
| +crythias | didn't know what caused it. | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it was by design | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | but it doesn't do that anymore | 07:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if the directory is empty | 07:02 |
| +crythias | ok. :) | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it prunes stuff back to the first non-empty directory under uploadsDir | 07:03 |
| +crythias | kay | 07:03 |
| +perlDreamer | how are things in Florida? | 07:05 |
| +crythias | ok | 07:06 |
| +crythias | just chillin in the heat. | 07:06 |
| +crythias | also browsing my logs. | 07:06 |
| +crythias | someone at one IP address has been hitting my pc anywhere site about 8 times in the past 24 hours (from an email) | 07:07 |
| +perlDreamer | why not block them at the firewall? | 07:08 |
| +crythias | I'm amused. It's obvious he's trying to get it to work, and not being successful. | 07:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you could bait him with a honeynet | 07:08 |
| +crythias | and my son just closed his door | 07:09 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 07:09 |
| +crythias | oh, the guy isn't being malicious. he wants the information I'm providing. he just isn't successful (apparently) at making it work. | 07:09 |
| +crythias | he's clicking a link in a web email. | 07:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 07:10 |
| +crythias | re: my son... he apparently has decided his door (slightly ajar, usually) is worth closing (he's 2) ... which means he's at least gotten out of bed long enough to do that. | 07:11 |
| +perlDreamer | When my son was two, he liked to wander through the hallways of the house at night | 07:12 |
| +perlDreamer | because he was bored | 07:12 |
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| Radix-Work | anyone awake? | 06:39 |
| Radix-Work | obviously not :) | 11:22 |
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| Jiggie | sup people | 23:27 |
| Jiggie | anyone here can help with a few questions | 23:27 |
| Baylink | Maybe... | 23:41 |
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| Jiggie | lol | 00:14 |
| Jiggie | new to this cms thing.. | 00:14 |
| Jiggie | the company i work uses webgui for intranet and website. | 00:15 |
| Jiggie | website uses the latest and intranet 1 version below. | 00:15 |
| Jiggie | now they paid for a theme or style.. to change the look of the page.how can i export that look from the website and import it to the intranet | 00:15 |
| Jiggie | what files do need | 00:16 |
| Jiggie | :) | 00:16 |
| Baylink | Which version(s) are they using | 00:24 |
| Baylink | exactly. | 00:24 |
| Baylink | Jiggie... | 00:25 |
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| Radix-wrk | navigation templates - is there an way to do a less than ie. <tmpl_if page.relDepth lessthan 5> xxx ? | 10:09 |
| xdanger | with If macro | 10:16 |
| xdanger | or separete tmpl_if for each relDepth0-4 | 10:17 |
| Radix-wrk | separate tmpl_if would be messy - I want everything the same for depths 0-4, then 5 and above I want to do something different | 10:28 |
| Radix-wrk | with If - what do I use for less than? I can't use < can I? | 10:30 |
| xdanger | ^If(<tmpl_var page.relDepth> < 5,something,otherthing ); | 10:36 |
| xdanger | The If macro was removed in 6.8.3 or .4, but you can get it from the svn.. | 10:37 |
| xdanger | In 6.99 you can use HTML::Template::Expr, so you could do <tmpl_if page.relDepth < 5> | 10:38 |
| xdanger | or something liket that | 10:38 |
| Radix-wrk | using 6.8.10 atm still.. it's a production website so not ready to jump into 7 yet :) | 10:41 |
| Radix-wrk | this one has gone through numerous upgrades from 5.x.x versions tho, so I still have a copy of the If macro here it looks like.. it's just not in the config | 10:43 |
| xdanger | be sure that it's the 6.8x Macro... the api changed in 6.7->6.8 | 11:02 |
| Radix-wrk | thanks :) | 11:47 |
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| xdanger | MrHairgrease: do you dutch watch eurovision? | 12:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 12:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't anyway | 12:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I heard I missed something =) | 12:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | WTF happened to Abba? | 12:33 |
| xdanger | I'm not really sure how popular it is in europe but in finland we celebraded our first victory =) | 12:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | Actually I'm glad Holland didn't make it through the first round... | 12:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I really hate the eurovision songfestival | 12:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know of some sqatters who once held the euro visionless songfestival | 12:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 12:42 |
| xdanger | =) | 12:54 |
| xdanger | the eurovision is usually full of crapy light-pop-artists.. | 12:55 |
| xdanger | but the finnish artist was a heavy metal band ;) | 12:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah or weirded out orks =) | 12:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh lordi! | 12:55 |
| xdanger | well it was a hard rock hallelujah song, so.. | 12:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | I saw a bit of it on the news | 12:55 |
| xdanger | yeah, lordi =) | 12:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't think Lordi is a very metal name | 12:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | It sounds more like a hippie thing or something like that | 12:56 |
| xdanger | http://www.cs.tut.fi/~simona/temperaturi.html | 12:59 |
| xdanger | one of their previous singles was "Devil is a loser" =) | 13:00 |
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| xdanger | oh, that page has been updated to include a link at the bottom =D | 13:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 13:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool sign | 13:03 |
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| +MrHairgrease | seen this | 13:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://geefmegeld.nl/uploads/C9/YH/C9YHrLaWEEcumlYsz5Ky2w/perl.jpg | 13:04 |
| xdanger | =) | 13:08 |
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| -!- rizen changed the topic of #WebGUI to: IRC Community Day: Finding and rounding the rough edges in WebGUI. | 15:53 | |
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| @rizen | whoa | 16:01 |
| @rizen | looks like it's a slow morning | 16:01 |
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| +MrHairgrease | how come? | 16:01 |
| @rizen | Is anybody actually here, or are you all squatters? | 16:02 |
| @rizen | Cuz there are only 10 of us this morning | 16:02 |
| @rizen | for this chat | 16:02 |
| @rizen | An there were 20 last time | 16:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | In europe people work rather than chitchat =) | 16:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | a quarter of which were pb employees btw. | 16:02 |
| @rizen | what does that mean? | 16:02 |
| @rizen | that's true | 16:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing. Note the =) | 16:03 |
| @rizen | Is anyone besides me and MrHairGrease, an actual person? | 16:03 |
| wouter_procolix | I am, but I'm listening only partly :) | 16:03 |
| Meatbop | On occasion I like to think I'm an actual person | 16:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | Who doesn't | 16:04 |
| @rizen | Hmm | 16:04 |
| xdanger | I'm not sure | 16:04 |
| @rizen | I wonder if it's worth actually having the discussion this morning | 16:04 |
| wouter_procolix | What discussion? :) | 16:04 |
| @rizen | It's Community IRC Day | 16:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have a question | 16:04 |
| @rizen | talking about smoothing rough edges | 16:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | though its not rough edge related | 16:04 |
| xdanger | what mornig? =) | 16:04 |
| @rizen | ok | 16:05 |
| xdanger | I calculated in my little head the time difference to the wrong way =D | 16:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | A rough edge I just found is in the collab system | 16:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | If you set it to commit without workflow... | 16:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | It still says that the message is being approved | 16:06 |
| @rizen | indeed | 16:06 |
| @rizen | it is | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | and after that you can go back to the thread index | 16:06 |
| @rizen | it's getting approved by the system | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | rather that the tread you replied in | 16:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | I would expect to return in the thread I was in | 16:06 |
| @rizen | i c | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | not the thread index | 16:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:07 |
| @rizen | i'll write that down | 16:07 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Also I think the approval message should not be shown in case of autoapprove | 16:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | or at least switchable | 16:07 |
| @rizen | it has to be shown | 16:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | Len! | 16:07 |
| lenthamen | I would like to thank the PlainBlack team for pimping my CMS :) | 16:07 |
| @rizen | Because WebGUI has no way of knowing what your commit process is made up of | 16:08 |
| xdanger | =D | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, I see | 16:08 |
| @rizen | and like i said | 16:08 |
| @rizen | technically, the system is approving your message | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | i understand | 16:08 |
| @rizen | whether it's a human approval or not | 16:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | but people are not technical | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's the point | 16:09 |
| @rizen | then they should be | 16:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 16:09 |
| xdanger | could there be something like "prosessing your post" on the approval template if the auto commit is on.. | 16:09 |
| @rizen | i just covered that | 16:09 |
| @rizen | we don't know whether it's autocommit or not | 16:09 |
| @rizen | there's no way to know | 16:09 |
| @rizen | and there's no such thing as auto commit | 16:09 |
| @rizen | this topic is over | 16:10 |
| @rizen | next | 16:10 |
| lenthamen | A small thing: | 16:10 |
| lenthamen | In the Asset tree, could items without childs have no link ? | 16:11 |
| @rizen | no | 16:11 |
| @rizen | otherwise there would be no way to add children to it | 16:11 |
| lenthamen | I see... | 16:11 |
| @rizen | but we have added a little + next to each | 16:11 |
| @rizen | one that has children | 16:11 |
| @rizen | so that way you know | 16:12 |
| @rizen | before clicking | 16:12 |
| lenthamen | ok... | 16:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | I that the link where the context menu will be? | 16:12 |
| @rizen | does that solve your problem? | 16:12 |
| wouter_procolix | I think adding the + was a good idea. | 16:12 |
| lenthamen | Yes, it does. | 16:12 |
| @rizen | k | 16:12 |
| lenthamen | wonderful job JT...... | 16:12 |
| @rizen | not my idea | 16:12 |
| @rizen | was the US Dept of State's idea | 16:13 |
| @rizen | it was a good one though | 16:13 |
| @rizen | martin, what were you trying to say up there? | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | nm | 16:13 |
| @rizen | k | 16:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | I looked wrong | 16:13 |
| @rizen | ok...for all of you who just joined | 16:13 |
| @rizen | we're talking about finding rough edges in webgui | 16:14 |
| @rizen | and rounding them | 16:14 |
| @rizen | this is the second of three such discussions | 16:14 |
| @rizen | we've already started implementing the ideas brought fourth in the first discussion | 16:14 |
| @rizen | and we have one more | 16:14 |
| @rizen | at 8pm us central on thursday | 16:14 |
| @rizen | which is 20:00 GMT/UTC -0500 for you european types | 16:15 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | is Central time the same as chicago? | 16:15 |
| @rizen | so what we need from you is ideas on how to make webgui easier to use | 16:15 |
| @rizen | yes | 16:15 |
| xdanger | when you click on the class icon (?) could there be a direct link to edit that assets templates in the context menu.. like a submenu =) | 16:15 |
| @rizen | no | 16:16 |
| @rizen | the reason being | 16:16 |
| @rizen | we don't know what templates it has | 16:16 |
| @rizen | until we get to the edit screen | 16:16 |
| @rizen | some assets have 8 templates | 16:16 |
| @rizen | some have none | 16:16 |
| @rizen | anyway...the areas we're looking to improve: | 16:17 |
| xdanger | ok, so the buttons are not generated by the asset it self, but some higher power ? | 16:17 |
| @rizen | a) UI problems | 16:17 |
| @rizen | b) process problems (where it's not intuitive on how something works) | 16:17 |
| @rizen | xdanger: they are generated by the getToolbar method in the asset superclass | 16:17 |
| @rizen | xdanger: even if we could do that | 16:18 |
| @rizen | i don't think we should | 16:18 |
| @rizen | holy clutter batman | 16:18 |
| wouter_procolix | I have one issue related to the versioning system | 16:18 |
| @rizen | back to it: we are not looking for features that you want added just cuz you think they would be cool, unless said features also make webgui easier to use | 16:18 |
| @rizen | shoot wouter | 16:19 |
| wouter_procolix | This is probably difficult to implement, but I just want to say that is probably very un-intuitive for end-users: | 16:19 |
| * MrHairgrease shoots wouter | 16:19 | |
| wouter_procolix | When you delete something, it is also gone from the Live version | 16:19 |
| @rizen | true | 16:19 |
| @rizen | i hate that | 16:19 |
| wouter_procolix | Well you might be under the assumption that it will be effective only when you really commit . | 16:19 |
| wouter_procolix | Me too... | 16:19 |
| wouter_procolix | Might be difficult to fix in short time, but maybe in the long run.... ? | 16:20 |
| @rizen | however, i can't really fix it, because technically it's a tree function | 16:20 |
| @rizen | trash, clipboard, and parent child relationships are all tree functions | 16:20 |
| @rizen | none of which are versioned | 16:20 |
| @rizen | because i can't get my brain around that | 16:20 |
| @rizen | the problem is this | 16:20 |
| wouter_procolix | Than maybe a warning for end-users might be a good thing (if there isn't already) | 16:21 |
| @rizen | let's say you put a version of something in the trash | 16:21 |
| @rizen | but there's another version of it no in the trash | 16:21 |
| @rizen | which could happen, if trash is versioned | 16:21 |
| @rizen | then when the trash get's emptied | 16:21 |
| @rizen | all versions of it would go away | 16:21 |
| @rizen | they would have to | 16:22 |
| @rizen | as that's what the trash is for | 16:22 |
| @rizen | that's even more confusiong | 16:22 |
| @rizen | confusing. | 16:22 |
| @rizen | warning isn't a bad idea | 16:22 |
| @rizen | i think there is one, but we'll enhance it to be more descriptive about that | 16:22 |
| wouter_procolix | Couldn't they be locked? So that they won't be trashed until the version tag is committed? Or something like that? | 16:22 |
| @rizen | no | 16:23 |
| @rizen | the reason is that we're not keeping track of any versioning data on trash | 16:23 |
| @rizen | so there's no way for it to have two states | 16:23 |
| @rizen | visible yet deleted | 16:23 |
| @rizen | you know what i mean? | 16:23 |
| wouter_procolix | Visible in the published version, but deleted under the version tag... Yes. | 16:24 |
| wouter_procolix | A possible workaround: | 16:24 |
| wouter_procolix | maybe, just a thought.... | 16:24 |
| wouter_procolix | add a list of "deleted" assets under the version tag, sort of like a filter. | 16:24 |
| wouter_procolix | When working under the version tag, filter out that assets (act like they are deleted). | 16:25 |
| wouter_procolix | When you commit, really delete them to trash. | 16:25 |
| wouter_procolix | Would that work?! | 16:25 |
| @rizen | it would work | 16:25 |
| wouter_procolix | but.... | 16:26 |
| @rizen | there are several ways that this could be done | 16:26 |
| @rizen | but it seems like we're creating two versioning systems then | 16:26 |
| @rizen | and i don't really like that from a maintenance point of view | 16:26 |
| @rizen | another way that's simpler than what you're talking about | 16:26 |
| @rizen | is to have a new field added to the asset table | 16:27 |
| @rizen | called deleteTag | 16:27 |
| @rizen | or something | 16:27 |
| @rizen | and then we shove the tagId in that field | 16:27 |
| @rizen | that way we don't have to compare a big list | 16:27 |
| @rizen | each time | 16:27 |
| @rizen | it's already persisted to the asset | 16:27 |
| @rizen | but again, it seems like an extra sudo versioning system | 16:28 |
| @rizen | maybe that's ok | 16:28 |
| @rizen | but i'm not prepared to say that it is yet | 16:28 |
| @rizen | like i said before | 16:29 |
| @rizen | i don't like the way it works now either | 16:29 |
| wouter_procolix | IMHO, the advantages are bigger than the disadvantages, but than again, I don't have seen much of the versioning code, so I don't exactly know how it works.... | 16:29 |
| @rizen | i'm with you on that | 16:29 |
| wouter_procolix | okay | 16:29 |
| @rizen | let me state it another way | 16:29 |
| @rizen | it's not that i don't want to make this change | 16:30 |
| @rizen | it's that i don't want to make this change rashly | 16:30 |
| @rizen | i've been thinking about this problem for 6+ months now | 16:30 |
| @rizen | and every time i think i have the answer, something comes up and kicks me in thass | 16:30 |
| @rizen | the ass | 16:30 |
| @rizen | my most recent solution is the one outlined above | 16:31 |
| @rizen | and i think that will work | 16:31 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I understand. So lets add the warning for now, and maybe discuss this feature later on the dev-list? | 16:31 |
| @rizen | sure | 16:31 |
| @rizen | next topic | 16:32 |
| xdanger | An easy way to edit the config from web? | 16:32 |
| @rizen | that's already on the todo | 16:33 |
| @rizen | but has nothing to do with webgui | 16:33 |
| @rizen | it's part of the wre | 16:33 |
| xdanger | There are some configuration options (live purge trash offset) that I would like the user to change from the webgui adminconsole | 16:33 |
| @rizen | and they can | 16:33 |
| @rizen | those are part of the workflow system now | 16:33 |
| @rizen | not in the config | 16:33 |
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| xdanger | ok, old information that I have then =) | 16:34 |
| @rizen | np | 16:34 |
| @rizen | next | 16:34 |
| kmaclean | In the request tracker, when you reply to a post, why are you given the option to set a severity in the reply? ... since it does not show up on display of the reply. Is it even required? | 16:34 |
| @rizen | that's a bug on our site | 16:34 |
| @rizen | in the template | 16:35 |
| kmaclean | ok, thanks | 16:35 |
| @rizen | it will be fixed | 16:35 |
| @rizen | next? | 16:35 |
| @rizen | are we out of stuff? | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I am | 16:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | for now anyway =) | 16:36 |
| @rizen | well you have until thursday to think of more | 16:36 |
| @rizen | and it's ok if we're out of stuff | 16:37 |
| @rizen | we got a big list the first day | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have a request for the bug tracker on the pb site | 16:37 |
| @rizen | k | 16:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | is it possible to add a user to a bug | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | or better said the other way round | 16:38 |
| @rizen | i don't understand | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | So if I'm working on bug x everbody can see that and no work is being duplicated | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | assign a bug to someone | 16:38 |
| @rizen | ah | 16:38 |
| @rizen | no | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 16:38 |
| @rizen | not right now it's not possible | 16:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | so it is possible =) | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | double negetives hooray | 16:39 |
| @rizen | this was my first attempt at making the tracker using the cs | 16:39 |
| @rizen | we'll have to add more features over time to make it better | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can live with that | 16:39 |
| @rizen | my biggest goal was to just to get the tracker into webgui | 16:39 |
| @rizen | cuz that was a big complaint | 16:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | what was? | 16:40 |
| @rizen | no one liked going to source forget to submit bugs | 16:40 |
| xdanger | sf.net is slow.. | 16:40 |
| @rizen | yeah | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | source foGET | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | lol | 16:40 |
| @rizen | so the idea was to get RFE and bugs off of source forge | 16:40 |
| @rizen | and on to our site | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | svn can be slow too | 16:40 |
| @rizen | and from there, we can move forward | 16:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 16:41 |
| @rizen | svn is slow on our current box cuz that box is small and overworked | 16:41 |
| @rizen | we're working on a replacement | 16:41 |
| @rizen | should have one by the end of the summer | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not complaining | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | Wouter told me to say it =) | 16:41 |
| @rizen | sure he did | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | he did | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 16:41 |
| @rizen | oh...and it's exceptionoally slow for you guys | 16:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 16:42 |
| @rizen | because while you're at work, it's doing the majority of it's jobs | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | must be the earth rays | 16:42 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | that | 16:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | AND the earth rays | 16:42 |
| @rizen | most of it's scheduled tasks are between midnight and 8am my time | 16:42 |
| @rizen | yeah, what you said | 16:42 |
| @rizen | earth rays | 16:42 |
| @rizen | anyway guys | 16:43 |
| @rizen | thanks for the ideas | 16:43 |
| @rizen | wouter, i'll keep thinking on the delete thing | 16:43 |
| Jiggie | back | 16:43 |
| @rizen | i'm sure we can come up with something | 16:43 |
| wouter_procolix | okay, great :) | 16:43 |
| Jiggie | morning people | 16:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 16:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 16:43 |
| @rizen | if no one has anything else | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh jt | 16:44 |
| Jiggie | very early to get into webgui but here it goes | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | why is it that spectre has 127.0.0.1 hard coded in the spectre.pl script? | 16:44 |
| wouter_procolix | Yeah, Martin killed my spectre instance today :) | 16:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | wouter jkilled mine first | 16:45 |
| @rizen | it should only be hard coded in for local functions | 16:45 |
| @rizen | like shutdown | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | well | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case I can kill wouters deamon and he can kill mine | 16:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | we run multple instances of wg on one server | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | having a lot of ip's | 16:46 |
| Jiggie | baylink are you around | 16:46 |
| @rizen | that's your problem | 16:46 |
| @rizen | =) | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | ! | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | ! | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | ! | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll submit it as abug | 16:46 |
| @rizen | perl MrHairgrease --shutdown | 16:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | than it's your problem =) | 16:47 |
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| @rizen | i'll just close it | 16:47 |
| @rizen | =0 | 16:47 |
| wouter_procolix | but shutdown works on 127.0.0.1 :) | 16:47 |
| @rizen | wow...i didn't think he was actually getting upset | 16:47 |
| @rizen | ok folks | 16:47 |
| @rizen | anybody got anything else? | 16:48 |
| Jiggie | yes me | 16:48 |
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| @rizen | otherwise i'm calling this one done | 16:48 |
| @rizen | ok | 16:48 |
| @rizen | shoot jiggie | 16:48 |
| Jiggie | very new to webgui | 16:48 |
| Jiggie | we have the intranet running "WebGUI 6.2.11" | 16:48 |
| * MrHairgrease is back up again | 16:48 | |
| Jiggie | and the website running "WebGUI 6.8.9" | 16:48 |
| xdanger | perl MrHairgrease --run --debug | 16:48 |
| @rizen | perl MrHairgrease --ping | 16:49 |
| Jiggie | here goes the question | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | pong | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | quit that | 16:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | behave like adults | 16:49 |
| @rizen | ok jiggie | 16:49 |
| Jiggie | we ordered a layout and its working fine invisioninc.com | 16:49 |
| Jiggie | we want to put that layout in to the intranet | 16:49 |
| Jiggie | can anyone help on the steps | 16:49 |
| @rizen | heheh | 16:49 |
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| Jiggie | i just downloaded the new zip and go to test b4 i break something | 16:50 |
| @rizen | this isn't a support chat jiggie | 16:50 |
| Jiggie | i was hoping | 16:50 |
| Jiggie | :( | 16:50 |
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| @rizen | anybody have an ideas related to the rough edges discussion? | 16:50 |
| @rizen | ok | 16:51 |
| @rizen | we're calling this one closed then | 16:51 |
| @rizen | remember | 16:51 |
| @rizen | thursday | 16:51 |
| @rizen | 20:00 GMT/UTC -0500 | 16:51 |
| @rizen | aka | 16:51 |
| @rizen | 8pm US Central (chicago) | 16:52 |
| @rizen | we'll have another one of these | 16:52 |
| @rizen | the last one | 16:52 |
| @rizen | to get feedback on rough edges | 16:52 |
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| @rizen | thanks everyone | 16:52 |
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| Meatbop | take care | 16:53 |
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| i4n | lalala | 16:54 |
| i4n | hoi MrHairgrease | 16:55 |
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| Jiggie | so any place were i can get some help | 17:00 |
| Jiggie | anyone | 17:00 |
| i4n | yeah | 17:01 |
| i4n | in channel #3,0 | 17:01 |
| wouter_procolix | You can ask for WebGUI related help at the plainblack forum | 17:01 |
| wouter_procolix | http://www.plainblack.com/wg | 17:01 |
| wouter_procolix | More specifically: http://www.plainblack.com/discuss | 17:01 |
| Jiggie | i just wish they were a bit more helpful and have a better how towg | 17:02 |
| wouter_procolix | And for your question (about templates/layouts) you should probably post it in "Web Design, Templates, and Themes" | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd like to be helpful but I just don't know anything about themes | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | or isn't that your problem | 17:03 |
| i4n | yeah, you should better describe your problem | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | kick 14n | 17:03 |
| i4n | kicks MrHairgrease back | 17:04 |
| wouter_procolix | kick i4n 2 | 17:04 |
| i4n | :( | 17:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | perl i4n --shutdown | 17:04 |
| * MrHairgrease shouts to wouter and ian go back to work before the boss returns!!! | 17:04 | |
| Jiggie | well yes and no | 17:07 |
| Jiggie | my problem is that i have to update the intranet with how the webpage looks and feels. | 17:07 |
| Jiggie | i'm just a lonely jr system admin and they have given me this task to do this... wish i cpould buy a book or something. | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you rinning wg already? | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | running* | 17:08 |
| Jiggie | boss is pissed that he could not even set up webgui on a different machine and i did in 1 hour | 17:09 |
| xdanger | just copy-paste the template and copu images ;) | 17:09 |
| Jiggie | now he expects miracles | 17:09 |
| Jiggie | yes | 17:09 |
| Jiggie | i'm running 3 versions | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:09 |
| Jiggie | 2 productions and 1 to test stuff | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | so why don't you just upgrade? | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | you want to transfer the test to prod? | 17:09 |
| xdanger | intranet is in pre-asset version.. | 17:09 |
| xdanger | it could get messy | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | it _will_ get messy | 17:10 |
| xdanger | yeah | 17:10 |
| Jiggie | we have the intranet running "WebGUI 6.2.11" | 17:10 |
| xdanger | and even more if there is something custom in it | 17:10 |
| Jiggie | and the website running "WebGUI 6.8.9" | 17:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:10 |
| Jiggie | [10:09am]«+ MrHairgrease » it _will_ get messy <<< dont want that | 17:10 |
| Jiggie | i want to upgrade the intranet | 17:11 |
| xdanger | Jiggie: do you have any custom wobjects, or macros in the intraner | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | so i want to send to the test environment | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | you know so i wont break anything as i'm just starting | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess you're best off copying the templates from the website server to the intranet server | 17:11 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | xdanger dont really know | 17:11 |
| Jiggie | again been doing this for a week or so | 17:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | copy the intranet stuff to your test server | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | MrHairgrease where are they located | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | folder wise | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | its on a redhat system | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | in the dv | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ion the db | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | so i have to export that database | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | i was reading that yesterday | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | so copy the WebGUI tree of the intranet to your testserver | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | and do the same with the db | 17:12 |
| Jiggie | give me a sec | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | than: | 17:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | get the testserver to work | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | testserver is up and running | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | try to upgrade your testserver | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | so i copy the webgui folder + subfolders | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | testserver is latest and greatest | 17:13 |
| xdanger | no, just the domains folder | 17:13 |
| Jiggie | intranet is very old | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | copypaste the style and page and whatnot templates from your website to the testserver | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | YI understand | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | What I say is: | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | Ditch the webgui on your testserver | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | copy the intranet webgui stuff to your testserver | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | get it to run | 17:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | then try to upgrade | 17:14 |
| Jiggie | ok | 17:14 |
| Jiggie | let mesee if i got it correctly | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | if everything works on your testserver copy all the stuff back to the normal server | 17:15 |
| Jiggie | copy from file:/data/webgui/ to replace the one on my test server | 17:15 |
| xdanger | no | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes! | 17:15 |
| Jiggie | lol | 17:16 |
| xdanger | that will override your newer webgui also | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | That is what he wants | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | make an exact copy of the current intranet on the testserver | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 17:16 |
| xdanger | I thought that he wanted to upgrade | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in order tro upgrade... | 17:16 |
| xdanger | so no need to have the old version there | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | you must at first have the version you want to upgrade from | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i c | 17:17 |
| xdanger | only the db and uploads folder =) | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | xdabger is right | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I meant that | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | sry | 17:17 |
| xdanger | of course I am ;) | 17:17 |
| * MrHairgrease is being a dumbass | 17:17 | |
| +MrHairgrease | oh lordi | 17:17 |
| xdanger | I'm quite good at upgrading webgui =) | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | Jiggie | 17:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | be sure to read the gotcha.txt very carefullly | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | also purge the trash and cache before starting | 17:18 |
| xdanger | have dragged some custom code from 6.0 till 6.8 in the upgrades =D and changed servers 4times | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | or you will end up with immense pile of crap | 17:18 |
| xdanger | nicely put ;) | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | Jiggie do you have custom code in there? | 17:18 |
| xdanger | he doesn't know | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | xdanger: you rather then me =) | 17:19 |
| xdanger | as he stated to my question about that matter | 17:19 |
| xdanger | MrHairgrease: well I learned a great deal of webgui in the process | 17:19 |
| xdanger | ;) | 17:20 |
| Jiggie | trying to do everything give me a minute | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I bet you did | 17:20 |
| Jiggie | i appreciate everything | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | np | 17:23 |
| xdanger | I'm not good at telling people what to do, I just usualy do a "I'll do that for you" move | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys, going home | 17:30 |
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| Jiggie | xdanger | 17:31 |
| Jiggie | do you have time .. to walk me tru if you can | 17:31 |
| Jiggie | dont really want to break anything and want to learn as much as i can | 17:32 |
| xdanger | sure | 17:34 |
| xdanger | If my girlfriend doesn't phone me home =) | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | lol | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | ok | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | lets start from bottoms up | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | i have intranet with old version | 17:35 |
| Jiggie | i want to upgrade to new version and install the website's gui that we paid for .... | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | take a look invisioninc.com | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | i want the intranet to look like that, the website is also using a newer webgui | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | so what should i do first | 17:36 |
| Jiggie | the test environment has the latest zip and go | 17:37 |
| Jiggie | redhat on intranet latest and test env has windows | 17:38 |
| xdanger | install the zip-n-go isn't up to date | 17:38 |
| xdanger | ups... | 17:38 |
| xdanger | zip-n-go isn't up to date | 17:38 |
| xdanger | f*ck... sf.net down again... can't check what version the zip-n-go was running on.. | 17:39 |
| xdanger | might be 6.7 | 17:39 |
| xdanger | there was some problems running 6.8 on that... | 17:39 |
| xdanger | do you have any linux dev boxes? | 17:40 |
| Jiggie | i guess i can find one, | 17:41 |
| xdanger | or install vmware player on the windows and linux in that and wre on that ;) | 17:41 |
| xdanger | but you shuld get a test env that has the same version as the website (6.8.10?) and try to upgrade the intranet on that | 17:42 |
| xdanger | so you can test the upgrade and find out what it breaks ;) | 17:43 |
| xdanger | on the test enviroment you create some site (like localhost, or test.intranet.yourcompany.com) and install the intranet's database and uploads folder in that | 17:45 |
| xdanger | and then try doing upgrade | 17:45 |
| xdanger | also gotcha.txt in the docs folder will help.. | 17:45 |
| Jiggie | ok | 17:46 |
| xdanger | but, if you have custom code in there, you will have to update it by hand | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | found a machine and rh Ent linux ES ver 4 disks | 17:46 |
| Jiggie | will install the OS | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | « xdanger » but you shuld get a test env that has the same version as the website (6.8.10?) and try to upgrade the intranet on that | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | how can i do that | 17:47 |
| Jiggie | just set one up with that version and then exprot the intranet's database and import it onto that one to see what breaks | 17:48 |
| xdanger | and the uploads folder | 17:48 |
| xdanger | and run perl upgrade.pl --doit in the sbin folder =) | 17:49 |
| Jiggie | ok | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | will you be around later on | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | or tomorrow | 17:53 |
| Jiggie | i'm instralling rh on the system now | 17:54 |
| Jiggie | then will install the webgui | 17:54 |
| Jiggie | and have a test running then do as you say | 17:54 |
| xdanger | Maybe... | 17:57 |
| Jiggie | do you have a website or something with instructions that i could follow | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | or recomendations | 17:58 |
| Jiggie | on what to read | 17:59 |
| xdanger | I don't think so.. | 18:01 |
| xdanger | this is not normal user manual stuff =) | 18:01 |
| Jiggie | no books either | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | there is a business plan for you | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | publish one and sell it | 18:04 |
| Jiggie | i'll definetly buy it | 18:04 |
| xdanger | I'll quote myself: 17:27 < xdanger> I'm not good at telling people what to do, I just usualy do a "I'll do that for you" move | 18:05 |
| Jiggie | i c | 18:05 |
| Jiggie | i'll move | 18:05 |
| Jiggie | lol | 18:05 |
| xdanger | The upgrade is this difficult only in 6.x "era" | 18:05 |
| xdanger | because of all the API changes.. | 18:06 |
| Jiggie | well i'm very new to this | 18:06 |
| xdanger | rapid development cycle going on.. | 18:06 |
| Jiggie | and because the intranet is using 6.2 and extranet is 6.8 | 18:06 |
| Jiggie | makes it worse or better | 18:07 |
| Jiggie | "easier" | 18:07 |
| xdanger | I't get's easyer once we're at 7.0 | 18:07 |
| Jiggie | i hope so | 18:07 |
| Jiggie | when do you think it will be released | 18:07 |
| xdanger | this summer... | 18:07 |
| xdanger | but the upgrade to-7.0 will still be a difficult one, but not beyond that... | 18:08 |
| xdanger | atleast I hope so =) | 18:08 |
| Jiggie | cant wait, my boss in on my ass cause he could not even use the zip and go | 18:08 |
| xdanger | =D | 18:09 |
| xdanger | zip-n-go has 6.7.7 version of webgui | 18:09 |
| Jiggie | why is thi so dificult to follow or why arent the people that made webgui making a better tutorial | 18:10 |
| xdanger | remember to install 6.8.10 (not 6.99.1) and wre 0.6 | 18:11 |
| Jiggie | ok | 18:11 |
| Jiggie | red hat is on disk 3 already | 18:11 |
| xdanger | It's difficult because webgui is integrated to apache | 18:11 |
| xdanger | and wre helps with that... | 18:11 |
| Jiggie | ok | 18:11 |
| xdanger | I use debian, because it can be installed in couple of minutes =) | 18:12 |
| Jiggie | so lets get started with the steps | 18:12 |
| Jiggie | we dont ahve it here | 18:12 |
| Jiggie | i like ubuntu | 18:12 |
| xdanger | have you check out: http://www.plainblack.com/docs | 18:12 |
| Jiggie | yes | 18:13 |
| Jiggie | a millon time | 18:14 |
| xdanger | there are some install documentation there.. | 18:14 |
| Baylink | Jiggie: I feel your pain. My first 5.5.7 install, two thanksgivings ago, toko me *3 weeks*. | 18:14 |
| Baylink | (took) | 18:14 |
| Baylink | Course, the second one (6.8.7, WRE 0.6) took me about an hours. | 18:14 |
| Baylink | (hour) | 18:14 |
| xdanger | but the documentation isn't always up-to-date 'couse the rapid development... | 18:15 |
| xdanger | wre helps a lot, but I don't like it... | 18:15 |
| Jiggie | lol | 18:16 |
| Jiggie | does not help | 18:16 |
| Jiggie | red hat almost done | 18:19 |
| Jiggie | i will help when i learn | 18:19 |
| Jiggie | i dont think i'm the only one that cant do this | 18:20 |
| xdanger | the reason I don't like wre is that it's not based on the systems packages managment | 18:20 |
| xdanger | I like the debian way ;) | 18:21 |
| Jiggie | i like debian | 18:21 |
| Jiggie | but cant do much as the company own a few licenses of rh | 18:21 |
| xdanger | don't like rh... never have... | 18:22 |
| Jiggie | hehehe | 18:26 |
| Jiggie | debian based are way better | 18:26 |
| Jiggie | i hate calling dell reps | 18:28 |
| Jiggie | they really suck pupu | 18:28 |
| xdanger | =P | 18:29 |
| xdanger | pupu is bunny in finnish =) | 18:29 |
| Jiggie | red hat come with firefox as default browser | 18:35 |
| Jiggie | but does not install it | 18:35 |
| Jiggie | lol | 18:35 |
| xdanger | nice | 18:36 |
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| Baylink | I'm not fond of it, xdanger, for the same reason. but it *does* work. :-) | 19:02 |
| Baylink | Off to lunch. | 19:02 |
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| bipolar | i've got an error in my apache log file: | 19:05 |
| bipolar | [Tue May 23 11:45:53 2006] [error] [client 192.168.0.155] failed to resolve handler `Apache2::SizeLimit': Apache2::SizeLimit at the moment works only with non-threaded MPMs at /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 50.\nBEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/lib/perl5/Apache2/SizeLimit.pm line 97.\nCompilation failed in require at (eval 496) line 3.\n | 19:06 |
| bipolar | has anyone seen this before/ | 19:06 |
| bipolar | ? | 19:06 |
| bipolar | It comes in when I try to access my webgui siyr | 19:07 |
| bipolar | grrr.... site | 19:07 |
| bipolar | stupid cast on my arm... | 19:07 |
| xdanger | you could try prefork-MPM | 19:19 |
| bipolar | hmm | 19:20 |
| bipolar | I'll give it a shot | 19:21 |
| bipolar | ty. I didn't get a chance to try it, but I gotta go to a meeting :\ | 19:22 |
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| +crythias | hee! | 20:47 |
| +crythias | 2LGT2QT | 20:50 |
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| * crythias dances a bit | 21:10 | |
| Baylink | ? | 21:23 |
| +crythias | hiya | 21:23 |
| +crythias | RDRAGE | 21:24 |
| Baylink | why dance? I know why *I'm* dancing... I've joind the Crackberry Nation. | 21:24 |
| +crythias | thumb callouses? | 21:24 |
| +crythias | BUZZ | 21:24 |
| Baylink | Not yet... :-) | 21:25 |
| Baylink | I'm not stupid enough to do lots of email on a thumb board. It'll be AIM and the web, for me, mostly. | 21:25 |
| Baylink | Had a Motorola barbie laptop a few years back; learned. | 21:26 |
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| SquOnk | Hi. | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | I've managed to install 6.8.9 and it works fine. | 23:46 |
| SquOnk | I've just been unable to get an IndexedSearch wobject to work. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | It shows up, but no matter what I try to search, no results at all. | 23:47 |
| xdanger | don't even know if it really works.. | 23:47 |
| SquOnk | I ran the runHourly.pl script and saw that it did not index anything. | 23:48 |
| xdanger | but have you indexed your content? | 23:48 |
| xdanger | ok | 23:48 |
| xdanger | if I remember correctly it went beyond repair in 6.7-6.8 upgrade and there is a new search engine in 6.99 | 23:48 |
| SquOnk | I ran it using the -verbose flag, and got "Found IndexedSearch_buildIndex" and then "IndexedSearch_buildIndex 0 WebGUI items indexed in 0 seconds." | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | But that's it. There's nothing indexed in the databases. | 23:49 |
| SquOnk | xdanger: Have you tried the search engine in 6.99? | 23:51 |
| xdanger | nope | 23:51 |
| SquOnk | That's the only thing preventing the project from going into production... | 23:52 |
| xdanger | SquOnk: if it's a public site, you could use an outsite search engine | 23:57 |
| +crythias | 6.8.9 doesn't have search. | 23:59 |
| +crythias | IIRC | 23:59 |
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| SquOnk | crythias: Well... it appears "disabled" | 00:00 |
| +crythias | 'kay. | 00:00 |
| xdanger | didn't someone release some hack that it would kinda work ?-) | 00:00 |
| xdanger | or was that for 6.7 | 00:00 |
| +crythias | some have added third party searches... | 00:01 |
| * crythias changes the subject saying that he created a gahooyoogle search plugin for firefox. | 00:01 | |
| +crythias | I also updated my norton antivirus without subscription program :) | 00:03 |
| +crythias | awk is cool. everyone should learn awk! | 00:04 |
| SquOnk | I checked sbin/Hourly/IndexedSearch.pm and found it was disabled... | 00:06 |
| SquOnk | ...having a "return on entry". I commented it out, and afterwards the module was running yet it did not index anything. | 00:07 |
| SquOnk | Funny thing is, the comment above the return said "Disabled until 6.8" and this is 6.8.9 :-) | 00:07 |
| xdanger | SquOnk: yeah, search in 6.99 works ;) just tested it =) | 00:10 |
| xdanger | an it actually indexes word,and flash =D | 00:11 |
| SquOnk | xdanger: All right. I'll try it then. | 00:12 |
| SquOnk | xdanger: Is that 6.99.1? | 00:12 |
| xdanger | don't use that in production enviroment =) | 00:13 |
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| SquOnk | xdanger: That is the problem: if search doesn't work, then the portal will not go into production | 00:20 |
| xdanger | I use a google search on one of our sites | 00:26 |
| xdanger | of you can use something like htdig | 00:28 |
| SquOnk | xdanger: I know. However the customer prefers to do everything through WebGUI | 00:32 |
| xdanger | you could use a httpproxy for implementing the search "in" webgui | 00:32 |
| SquOnk | Indeed | 00:33 |
| xdanger | I just use google, because every other search sucks ;) | 00:34 |
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| jiggie_ | sorry other nick is a home | 17:53 |
| jiggie_ | morning peoples | 17:54 |
| +crythias | ack | 17:55 |
| +crythias | well, I have support, so ... | 17:55 |
| +crythias | hi | 17:58 |
| +crythias | heh. | 17:58 |
| +crythias | Back to site stinks. | 17:59 |
| jiggie_ | i downloaded the wre-0.7.0-rhel-4-i386.tar.gz------ do i need this,wrebuild-x.x.x-prereqs.tar.gz --- if so where is it | 18:00 |
| xdanger | no | 18:01 |
| jiggie_ | good | 18:01 |
| xdanger | you don't need that if you don't want to build it your self | 18:01 |
| jiggie_ | sup xdanger | 18:01 |
| jiggie_ | redhat fuly up now | 18:01 |
| jiggie_ | going to follow the wre instructions now to install webgui | 18:02 |
| jiggie_ | people new gui here, please help.... i'm here installing wre | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | /bin/chown: `mysql': invalid user | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | /bin/chown: `mysql': invalid user | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | Starting MySQL | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | MySQL Started | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','root',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./setup line 255 | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 256. | 18:12 |
| jiggie_ | followed the instructions unless something was missing | 18:12 |
| xdanger | did you add the user "mysql" ? | 18:25 |
| jiggie_ | did that and another error | 18:34 |
| jiggie_ | had forgoten that part | 18:35 |
| jiggie_ | i did this adduser -s /sbin/nologin mysql | 18:35 |
| jiggie_ | and it ran | 18:36 |
| jiggie_ | now i just get DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./setup line 309 | 18:36 |
| jiggie_ | Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 6. | 18:36 |
| Baylink | jiggie_: that mysql.sock thing is something I had trouble with too. | 18:37 |
| Baylink | I think the problem comes from having more than one my.cnf: it finds and reads them all... | 18:37 |
| Baylink | (MySQL does, that is) | 18:37 |
| jiggie_ | i just read that on the site | 18:37 |
| jiggie_ | how do i fix that | 18:37 |
| Baylink | Check your /var/lib/mysql and /etc directories, among other places. Kill off whichever one isn't correct. | 18:38 |
| Baylink | Remember: WebGUI is an IndyCar; expect to need to know something about fueling, radio communications, and auto mechanics, in addition to being a good driver. | 18:38 |
| Baylink | If you don't know, expect to need to learn. It's mostly expectation management... | 18:39 |
| jiggie_ | i'm here to learn my friend | 18:39 |
| jiggie_ | so i can help after. | 18:39 |
| jiggie_ | my mistake was to log in as user not as root | 18:43 |
| Baylink | That's one, yeah. :-) | 18:45 |
| jiggie_ | brb | 18:47 |
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| Jiggie_ | back | 18:55 |
| Jiggie_ | lol | 18:55 |
| Jiggie_ | were was that file again | 18:56 |
| Baylink | my.cnf, and it can be in many places; that | 18:58 |
| Baylink | is the problem. | 18:58 |
| Jiggie_ | it should be the ones modified today right | 18:59 |
| Jiggie_ | what should i do with that | 19:00 |
| Baylink | I posted something on the WebGUI forums about this when I had the problem; that's probably your best place for details. Lunch calls to me... | 19:01 |
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| Jiggie_ | ok | 19:01 |
| +crythias | hmm.. /etc | 19:53 |
| +crythias | don't mess with people on digg. they'll eat you up. | 20:08 |
| +crythias | 'cause they're hungry after MJ use. | 20:08 |
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| +crythia1 | mmkay | 21:07 |
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| Jiggie_ | xdanger are you back | 21:30 |
| Jiggie_ | crythias can you help with this error | 21:31 |
| Jiggie_ | i sen th epost but it does not quite say what the solution is or how to fix it | 21:31 |
| Jiggie_ | you answered it | 21:31 |
| Jiggie_ | DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to lo cal MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./se tup line 309 | 21:32 |
| Jiggie_ | Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 6 | 21:32 |
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| Jiggie_ | snapcount | 21:39 |
| Jiggie_ | can you help me with something | 21:39 |
| Jiggie_ | is this command correctly chown -R mysql /var/db/mysql | 21:50 |
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| @snapcount | eh? | 23:26 |
| @snapcount | that command will change the ownership to mysql recursively | 23:27 |
| @snapcount | it's a bit out of context though, I have no idea what's going on =) | 23:27 |
| Jiggie_ | i have a small issue | 23:40 |
| Jiggie_ | i just installed redhat es 4 | 23:40 |
| Jiggie_ | and i think mysql comes pre-installed | 23:40 |
| Jiggie_ | so i think maybe that's whats cusing the error | 23:40 |
| Jiggie_ | DBI connect('database=mysql;port=3306','oracle',...) failed: Can't connect to lo cal MySQL server through socket '/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at ./se tup line 309 | 23:41 |
| Jiggie_ | Can't call method "do" on an undefined value at ./setup line 310, <STDIN> line 6 | 23:41 |
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| @snapcount | ps aux | grep mysqld | 00:25 |
| @snapcount | it it's running out of /usr/local/* | 00:25 |
| @snapcount | then you're right | 00:26 |
| @snapcount | and b/c they can't both use port 3306 it will break wre mysql | 00:26 |
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| +crythias | hee | 01:27 |
| +crythias | I got part-digged, which may mean that some people might see WebGUI | 01:27 |
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| Wyleyrabbit | Hi Everyone! | 19:20 |
| bipolar | hey | 19:22 |
| Wyleyrabbit | I've just discovered webgui. I needed this thing years ago! | 19:22 |
| bipolar | I'm trying to upgrade from 6.7.3 to 6.7.4 and have this error: | 19:23 |
| bipolar | Can't call method "addRevision" on an undefined value at upgrade_6.7.3-6.7.4.pl line 202. | 19:23 |
| bipolar | I see one message in the fourm with this error in a diffrent upgrade version, but there are no replys to it. | 19:23 |
| Wyleyrabbit | so can anyone comment on how this compares with drupal? | 19:24 |
| bipolar | Wyleyrabbit: I've never used Drupal, so I can't comment | 19:24 |
| bipolar | hmmm.... it looks like all the upgrades are now done though perl, so I cant try to run the raw sql commands either :( | 19:25 |
| Wyleyrabbit | Of the CMS systems I've seen and played with, Drupal seems to be the best of the bunch. BUT, it's PHP-based and I'm not a php guy (although I suppose I could learn); I've been programming in Perl for years. | 19:26 |
| cheecheeo | Wyleyrabbit: have you tried the demo? | 19:28 |
| Wyleyrabbit | cheecheeo, trying it now. It looks good. | 19:28 |
| Wyleyrabbit | I like the fact that the demo uses CSS and not "table-hell" | 19:29 |
| Wyleyrabbit | (unlike Joomla/Mambo) | 19:29 |
| bipolar | drupal seems to be more geared toward a news style site. | 19:29 |
| Wyleyrabbit | the sites that I do are typically small public company sites. They generally have project info, basic photo galleries, news releases, financials, and the standard contact us stuff. | 19:30 |
| bipolar | guys.... here is the complete error: http://pastebin.com/737344 | 19:31 |
| bipolar | has anyone seen this before/ | 19:31 |
| bipolar | ? | 19:31 |
| cheecheeo | bipolar: nope | 19:32 |
| bipolar | hmm.... can I still get the upgrade .sql files somewhere? | 19:33 |
| xdanger | 19:33 | |
| bipolar | 19:34 | |
| xdanger | ups | 19:34 |
| bipolar | they are all .pl files now :p | 19:34 |
| bipolar | Wyleyrabbit: since you're a perl hacker, can you look at that upgrade file and tell me what the heck it's talking about? :) | 19:35 |
| bipolar | I sure hope I don't have to rebuld my site to upgrade :( | 19:40 |
| Wyleyrabbit | bipolar, whoever said I was a hacker? | 19:41 |
| cheecheeo | bipolar: I think it's saying that the argument to addRevision ($template) is undefined, but that doesn't make any sense because $template is defined right above the call to addRevision | 19:41 |
| cheecheeo | bipolar: try adding 'die "Busted\n" if !defined({template => $tempate});' on line 201 and see what happens | 19:44 |
| cheecheeo | s/$tempate/$template | 19:44 |
| cheecheeo | and, i don't think we need the '\n' in the die string | 19:45 |
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| bipolar | wow... this thing must be horribly, horribly broken. | 22:01 |
| bipolar | is there any way to test the database schema to make sure it has everything a specific version requires? | 22:02 |
| bipolar | I can't even edit pages | 22:04 |
| bipolar | I wonder what happened, and why it's still broken on all my backups. | 22:05 |
| bipolar | holy crap | 22:11 |
| bipolar | ok. my webgui install thinks it's version 6.5.5 in spite of the fact that I installed 6.7.3 months ago. | 22:12 |
| bipolar | the database was updated to 6.7.3 schema, but probbly incompletely | 22:13 |
| bipolar | I'm beyond screwed | 22:14 |
| Wyleyrabbit | bipolar, do you have a backup of the database? | 22:27 |
| bipolar | Wyleyrabbit: I have backup after backup, but not that far back | 22:41 |
| bipolar | Wyleyrabbit: looks like this happened in september | 22:41 |
| bipolar | and it's just now rearing it's head | 22:42 |
| Wyleyrabbit | ouch | 22:53 |
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| bipolar | I'm slowly but surely backing out half done changes. | 23:54 |
| bipolar | I got it to cleanly upgrade, it seems, to 6.7.1 | 23:54 |
| bipolar | but upgrading to 6.7.2 breaks with that stupid "Can't call method "addRevision" on an undefined value" | 23:55 |
| bipolar | grrr | 23:55 |
| bipolar | the stupid thing is, the database gets marked as upgraded to 6.7.2 even though it's not. | 23:56 |
| bipolar | so if I try to run it again it tries to upgrade to 6.7.3! | 23:56 |
| bipolar | unless I go in an delete the 6.7.2 entry from the webguiVersion table | 23:57 |
| bipolar | for this addRevision thing to come up in so many upgrade scripts must mean something | 23:58 |
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| bipolar | lol.... I fixed the old version of the site :p | 01:04 |
| bipolar | so at least I got something. | 01:04 |
| * bipolar seems to like talking to himself | 01:04 | |
| bipolar | does anyone here have a working install of 6.6.5, or a database backup from that version? | 01:12 |
| bipolar | holy shit. I think it's fixed. I was able to upgrade the database cleanly all the way up to 6.8.9 | 01:57 |
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| bipolar | well... it's half working... | 02:48 |
| bipolar | doesn't seem to be parsing the extras, so all my images are missing | 02:51 |
| bipolar | the admin console has no formating whatsoever. it's all text. | 02:51 |
| bipolar | I guess thats the failsafe style. | 02:52 |
| bipolar | I think it's related to the missing extras | 02:53 |
| bipolar | since the admin console style gets it's javascripts from the extras folder. | 02:54 |
| bipolar | W00T!!! | 03:08 |
| bipolar | forgot the /extras alias :) | 03:08 |
| bipolar | well, it took me 7 hours or so to get it all fixed. | 03:26 |
| bipolar | but I gotta say, when it's working well WebGUI is a beautiful thing. | 03:27 |
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| @rizen | anybody here? | 04:02 |
| * snapcount raises his hand | 04:03 | |
| bipolar | heh | 04:03 |
| @rizen | hmm | 04:04 |
| @rizen | perhaps we should wait a minute or two more | 04:04 |
| @rizen | to see if anyone else shows up | 04:04 |
| @rizen | or wakes up | 04:04 |
| @rizen | i wonder why all these people keep a connection open here and never do anything with it | 04:05 |
| @snapcount | it's cool to hang out in #webgui | 04:05 |
| bipolar | it's time got me to go home, finaly. 9pm here :\ | 04:05 |
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| @rizen | gained one | 04:06 |
| Radix-wrk | Morning :) | 04:06 |
| @rizen | lost one | 04:06 |
| @rizen | morning | 04:06 |
| @rizen | where are you radix? | 04:06 |
| Radix-wrk | Perth, Western Australia | 04:06 |
| @rizen | excellent | 04:07 |
| @rizen | i was hoping someone from oz would show up | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh? | 04:07 |
| @rizen | that was the whole reason i scheduled a chat for 8pm my time | 04:07 |
| @rizen | cuz it's morning in oz | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Ahh.. cool :) | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Yeah, I've been jumping on here daily hoping I'd catch one of the irc days :) | 04:07 |
| @rizen | are you here for the rough edges chat? | 04:07 |
| Radix-wrk | Well.. we're still using 6.8.10, but dead keen to move to 7 when the rough edges have been worked out | 04:08 |
| @rizen | it looks like there's only going to be three of us participating in this chat today | 04:08 |
| @rizen | the rest are zombies | 04:08 |
| Radix-wrk | I've been trying to set up a mirror of our site on another machine lately so I can test it out, but been too busy of late unfortunately | 04:09 |
| @rizen | Here's what I'm looking for. I'd like to know where you think the rough edges are in WebGUI. What are the parts of the UI that you fumble with? | 04:10 |
| @rizen | What are the processes that you just don't grok? | 04:10 |
| @rizen | or that aren't intuitive | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | Well.. I haven't played with 6.99 much to be honest | 04:10 |
| @rizen | that's ok...a lot carried over from 6.8 | 04:10 |
| Radix-wrk | so if you just count my 6.8.10 knowledge.. I'd say image handling is one | 04:10 |
| @rizen | how so? | 04:11 |
| @rizen | what about it? | 04:11 |
| @rizen | and do you have any suggestions for what we could do to make it better? | 04:11 |
| Radix-wrk | adding images from the tinymce editor is great, but they link directly to the images (which means you can't go and change the central image and have it update) | 04:11 |
| Radix-wrk | if it used an assetproxy to do it that'd make life so much easier | 04:12 |
| @rizen | a couple of things toward that end | 04:12 |
| @rizen | there's now a switch in the config file | 04:12 |
| @rizen | that you can turn on | 04:13 |
| @rizen | to have webgui reference image urls via asset url rather than storage url | 04:13 |
| Radix-wrk | that would be perfect | 04:13 |
| @rizen | it's harder on the serrver that way | 04:13 |
| @rizen | but you can enable it | 04:13 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, I can understand that.. more redirection | 04:13 |
| @rizen | to your suggestion about assetproxy | 04:13 |
| @rizen | we can't do that, because javascript can't render the image | 04:14 |
| @rizen | it would just show up as a macro if we did that | 04:14 |
| @rizen | or are you saying that would be ok? | 04:14 |
| Radix-wrk | well the average joe user doesn't want assetproxies.. I've just found it's the only way around the image url issue | 04:15 |
| @rizen | yeah...i think in your case, the switch we talked about would be better | 04:15 |
| Radix-wrk | but if you've got that config setting that would be fine - assuming the tinymce editor will then use that | 04:15 |
| @rizen | yup it does | 04:15 |
| @rizen | anything else? | 04:16 |
| @rizen | since it's just you and me, you pretty much get an open ear for your needs | 04:16 |
| Radix-wrk | workflow and revision control I want to learn more about - so hoping they're well documented in the webgui manual online when I get to it :) | 04:17 |
| Radix-wrk | search is working in 6.99 now isn't it? | 04:17 |
| @rizen | yes | 04:17 |
| Radix-wrk | cool.. that's been my other biggest gripe :) | 04:17 |
| @rizen | everything that was broken in 6.x is now fixed | 04:17 |
| @rizen | or is on the bug list to be fixed before the 7.0.0 release | 04:18 |
| @rizen | it's mostly all fixed though | 04:18 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh.. RunHourly | 04:18 |
| @rizen | gone | 04:18 |
| @rizen | it's been replaced with the workflow engine | 04:18 |
| Radix-wrk | okey... hopefully that will resolve some of the issues I was having then.. | 04:18 |
| @rizen | what issues were you having? | 04:19 |
| Radix-wrk | got a huge webgui project here that has been built up from 5.8.8, and I was never able to delete the items from the trash | 04:19 |
| @rizen | whoa | 04:19 |
| @rizen | that's no good | 04:19 |
| Radix-wrk | if I did so the whole site became unstable.. like there where crosslinked stuff | 04:19 |
| @rizen | that should have always been working | 04:19 |
| Radix-wrk | I reported it a while back on sourceforge.. but go no response | 04:20 |
| Radix-wrk | it's been kinda annoying as we couldn't re-use urls | 04:20 |
| @rizen | yeah, i can imagine | 04:20 |
| @rizen | though this isn't technically a support session | 04:20 |
| @rizen | i recommend setting up your site on another box | 04:20 |
| @rizen | then deleteing all the trash | 04:20 |
| @rizen | and working out the kinks on that box | 04:20 |
| @rizen | the trash shouldn't be able to do what you're saying | 04:21 |
| @rizen | but if it is | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. don't have a spare box - but going to set up a mirror on virtualpc and hopefully use that as a testbed | 04:21 |
| @rizen | you'll want to work through it in a non-production environment | 04:21 |
| Radix-wrk | Well we love webgui.. and very much looking forward to 7 here.. just waiting for it to be stable :) | 04:22 |
| @rizen | July | 04:23 |
| Radix-wrk | shame I didn't have a chance to try upgrading our setup on a mirror like I'd planned before this talk | 04:23 |
| @rizen | July 1 | 04:23 |
| @snapcount | you can also try it out on demo | 04:23 |
| @rizen | You can try out the beta at http://demo.plainblack.com | 04:24 |
| @rizen | it's not your environment | 04:24 |
| @rizen | but at least you could see how things work | 04:24 |
| @rizen | radix, what is the url of your site? | 04:24 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah, but its always a bit different when you have several thousand users and using so many facets of webgui tho :) | 04:24 |
| Radix-wrk | www.formsys.com | 04:24 |
| @rizen | indeed it is different | 04:25 |
| @rizen | you know, it amazes me the number of australian webgui users | 04:25 |
| @rizen | there are | 04:25 |
| Radix-wrk | It's our public website, but also have sections for users, distributors, extranet, etc.. | 04:25 |
| Radix-wrk | using database linking to look up user permissions | 04:25 |
| Radix-wrk | Need an aussie webgui conference | 04:26 |
| Radix-wrk | so sad I missed the one last year | 04:26 |
| @rizen | if there was a big enough user base demanding it | 04:26 |
| @rizen | i'd come down there and do it | 04:26 |
| Radix-wrk | well put one vote down for us here :) | 04:26 |
| @rizen | there are a lot of webgui users in oz | 04:26 |
| @rizen | but not a lot of peeps using our services from oz | 04:27 |
| @rizen | that's what makes me think there wouldn't be much of a demand for a wuc | 04:27 |
| @rizen | btw...if you were ever going to come to the states for a wuc | 04:27 |
| @rizen | this would be the year to do it | 04:27 |
| @rizen | this year's wuc is going to be HUGE | 04:27 |
| Radix-wrk | Just give me some notice before it happens and I'll be there | 04:28 |
| @rizen | September 13-15 | 04:28 |
| @rizen | Las Vegas | 04:28 |
| @rizen | the site's already up: http://www.plainblack.com/wuc | 04:28 |
| Radix-wrk | wow.. cool.. will have to book that in with the boss then | 04:28 |
| @rizen | we'll start taking orders for tickets to thw wuc next month | 04:28 |
| @rizen | which i guess is only a week away at this point | 04:28 |
| @rizen | =) | 04:28 |
| Radix-wrk | Cheers.. well that I will do. I also need to organise a whole perl course so I can get my perl skills up to speed | 04:30 |
| @rizen | we have two or three perl classes at the WUC this year | 04:30 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm a C++ programmer by trade, so I can tweak with perl a bit, but very much a novice at anything more complex | 04:30 |
| Radix-wrk | Even better | 04:31 |
| @rizen | i'm a bit disappointed we didn't get more people on tonight | 04:31 |
| @rizen | but i'm glad you came on | 04:31 |
| @rizen | always nice to meet a new user | 04:31 |
| Radix-wrk | Cheers.. nice to meet you also.. you've been very helpful | 04:31 |
| Radix-wrk | Looking forward to the WUC now too | 04:32 |
| @rizen | i hope you come | 04:32 |
| Radix-wrk | I'll definitely be there | 04:32 |
| Radix-wrk | no doubt about it | 04:32 |
| @rizen | that's awesome | 04:32 |
| @rizen | i guarantee you wont' be disappointed | 04:32 |
| @rizen | roy, do you think we should hang out here and see if other people show up | 04:33 |
| @rizen | or should we call this one dead, early? | 04:33 |
| @rizen | i guess you're not even paying attention | 04:34 |
| Radix-wrk | Oh..your print layout doesn't work for that wuc page btw ;) | 04:34 |
| @rizen | oh yeah? | 04:34 |
| @rizen | i'll have a look | 04:34 |
| Radix-wrk | http://www.plainblack.com/wuc/hotel-information?op=makePrintable; | 04:34 |
| @snapcount | had to take the puppy out | 04:35 |
| @snapcount | yeah I think we can wrap this one up | 04:35 |
| Radix-wrk | Hmm.. both sessions in the WUC look good.. how to choose! | 04:35 |
| Radix-wrk | any chance of getting a video of the event in both rooms? | 04:36 |
| @snapcount | bring another person and attend both =) | 04:36 |
| @rizen | sorry..no chance of that | 04:36 |
| Radix-wrk | one person we could afford.. but this is from oz remember.. airfares are hideously expensive | 04:36 |
| @rizen | we looked into getting the sessions taped | 04:36 |
| @rizen | and published | 04:36 |
| @rizen | but it was very expensive | 04:37 |
| @rizen | we'd never make back the money | 04:37 |
| Radix-wrk | yeah.. fair enough I suppose | 04:37 |
| Radix-wrk | laptop with webcam would be enough tho :) | 04:37 |
| @rizen | bring a video camera and record it | 04:38 |
| @rizen | we have every year, but the video quality is useless | 04:38 |
| @rizen | it's too dark to get a good image | 04:38 |
| @rizen | anyway...talk to you at the wuc if not before then | 04:39 |
| @rizen | ttyl | 04:39 |
| Radix-wrk | thanks :) | 04:39 |
| Radix-wrk | cya | 04:39 |
| @snapcount | night vision would make for a cool video | 04:39 |
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| cheecheeo | does anyone here run webgui on ubuntu-server? if so, what kind of success have you had? | 08:00 |
| Radix-wrk | I use debian | 08:03 |
| cheecheeo | Radix-wrk: it works well? | 08:05 |
| cheecheeo | also, do you use the WRE or do you install from source? | 08:05 |
| Radix-wrk | sorry.. was afk there for a bit | 08:18 |
| cheecheeo | no problem | 08:18 |
| Radix-wrk | I use debian here at work.. it's awkward getting the right config of packages setup - bit of a shame that webgui uses so many esoteric packages that aren't mainstream | 08:18 |
| Radix-wrk | once setup right tho it's great being able to apt-get when you get security issues | 08:18 |
| Radix-wrk | I've found that I've needed to use debian testing prettymuch tho.. not debian stable | 08:19 |
| Radix-wrk | not tried wre yet.. about to do so actually | 08:19 |
| Radix-wrk | setting up a virtualpc debian config and going to try the wre and then test upgrading our current 6.8.10 setup to 6.99.2 | 08:20 |
| Radix-wrk | apt-getting binaries is so much nicer than building everything from source tho I reckon | 08:21 |
| cheecheeo | Radix-wrk: right, but i think we want to be able to just download a tarball, untar, build, and have it work rather than having to hunt down packages where i'm working. but thanks for the tips, i'd rather use a debian splinter than centos but that's just because i know debian better. But where ever the WRE works best on an x86_64 arch is where we'll end up going. | 08:23 |
| cheecheeo | i know suse and gentoo don't work too well with the wre on x86_64 | 08:24 |
| cheecheeo | looks like it doesn't work too well with RHEL either according to the forums | 08:26 |
| Radix-wrk | it didn't work with debian ages ago either.. back when I tried one of the first implementations of it - wre 0.x or something iirc.. just about to give it a go now on debian sid, so will let you know how I go | 08:31 |
| cheecheeo | Radix-wrk: that's cool, thanks | 08:32 |
| Radix-wrk | nup.. wre 0.7 doesn't seem to work on debian - unless I've not installed a particular dev util somewhere | 08:37 |
| cheecheeo | Radix-wrk: hmm, lame, what was the error? | 08:40 |
| Radix-wrk | heaps of make: *** No rule to make target clean' stop and make target distclean | 08:52 |
| Radix-wrk | ./build.sh: line 51 cd ../modperl-2.0.2: No such file or directory | 08:52 |
| Radix-wrk | cd perl/modules: no such file or directory | 08:52 |
| Radix-wrk | cd ../libapreq2-2.0.7 - no such file or directory | 08:53 |
| cheecheeo | hmm | 08:53 |
| cheecheeo | that doesn't sound right | 08:53 |
| cheecheeo | actually | 08:53 |
| Radix-wrk | it continues on.. then comes up with WRE ERROR: lftp Configure did not complete successfully | 08:54 |
| cheecheeo | that is what should be displaying, because before every full build, it tries to clean out everything | 08:54 |
| cheecheeo | but the lftp config failure, what caused that? | 08:55 |
| Radix-wrk | looks like it's doing a configure of something.. then just spits out that error | 08:56 |
| Radix-wrk | could be something missing on this system (it's a pretty bare debian install) | 08:56 |
| cheecheeo | yeah | 08:56 |
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| cheecheeo | Radix-wrk: catch ya later | 09:21 |
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| ckotil | ah, july 1st. awsome. | 18:38 |
| ckotil | so far im really enjoying using this cms. in the past ive used mambo/joomla. and I wanted to use it again for my current project. But it wouldn't cut it, the access control level just isnt there, and from what ive read it exists in webgui. in the form of workflow | 18:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | snapcount: ping | 19:46 |
| @snapcount | pong | 20:17 |
| @snapcount | wow... now that's latency | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you can say that again | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I found what I was looking ofr | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | for | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and then realized that it doesn't do what I want | 20:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to make a group node diagram | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you can see your group structure | 20:18 |
| @snapcount | cool | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I had thought the tree view from the performance profiler would work | 20:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but it wouldn't be the most efficient display | 20:18 |
| @snapcount | I see | 20:19 |
| @snapcount | I always find it easier to fix bugs when listening to country music for some reason | 20:41 |
| @snapcount | ...find me a redneck girl... da da da | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Graph::Easy::as_svg for a pure perl implementation | 20:49 |
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| @snapcount | perlDreamer: Paypal plugin is coming along nicely | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | Graph::Easy is way easy | 22:31 |
| @snapcount | that makes sense =) | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | if only lvs'ing netlists in 3 different formats was as easy | 22:32 |
| @snapcount | damn descriptive package names | 22:32 |
| @snapcount | I guess LVS::Easy isn't out yet | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm still writing it ;) | 22:32 |
| @snapcount | haha | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | how about that buglist activity? | 22:32 |
| @snapcount | I haven't been following it | 22:33 |
| @snapcount | are you guys kicking ass | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | there is kicking involved | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | we're not doing it | 22:33 |
| @snapcount | heh | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how's $school? | 22:33 |
| @snapcount | eh | 22:33 |
| @snapcount | pretty easy actually | 22:34 |
| @snapcount | one class much better than 5 | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 22:34 |
| @snapcount | however $speed *= 3; | 22:34 |
| @snapcount | but it's still better | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like $dayJob + $school + $life > $day | 22:35 |
| @snapcount | the equation balances when $sleep = 0; | 22:35 |
| @snapcount | =) | 22:35 |
| @snapcount | remember that form control bug that was killing the editEventSave method in the EMS? | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | I never did fix it | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | and now I can't remember what the problem was | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | do you remember? | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | It's in the IRC logs for this channel | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't remember where they are | 22:37 |
| @snapcount | me either | 22:37 |
| @snapcount | JT is trying to use the EMS and he's not happy that you can't add events =/ | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen some bugs that support that. | 22:38 |
| @snapcount | I'm like, 'but it wasn't me... it was the one armed perl monger' | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Andreas Katsulas? | 22:38 |
| @snapcount | sounds good | 22:38 |
| @snapcount | I find him guilty on all charges | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | You should IMDB that name | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it wasn't random | 22:38 |
| @snapcount | IMDB? | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | www.imdb.com | 22:39 |
| @snapcount | movie database | 22:39 |
| @snapcount | ohhh from the movie | 22:39 |
| @snapcount | the fugitive | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ++$snapcount | 22:39 |
| @snapcount | right? | 22:39 |
| @snapcount | heh | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | with Harrison Ford and TL Jones | 22:40 |
| * snapcount is moving up in the world | 22:40 | |
| @snapcount | I've gotta figure this out... I'm falling behind on cooler projects that I'd rather be working on | 22:40 |
| @snapcount | bugs annoy me | 22:40 |
| +perlDreamer | the EMS? | 22:40 |
| @snapcount | God no | 22:41 |
| @snapcount | =) | 22:41 |
| @snapcount | I'm so over that thing | 22:41 |
| @snapcount | it's a new LDAP Auth Feature for 7.1 | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of things, do you know if Time::Tracker is done enough that I can document it? | 22:41 |
| @snapcount | no idea | 22:43 |
| @snapcount | that's Frank's baby | 22:43 |
| @snapcount | re: EMS, when a wobject surpasses 100Kb it is officially a monster | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | we're about to bust 12 Mb on the Help and the docs | 22:46 |
| @snapcount | that's a good example of where bigger is better | 22:46 |
| @snapcount | more docs is a very good thing | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | do volunteers need job security? | 22:47 |
| @snapcount | huh? | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | more docs means more work for me | 22:49 |
| @snapcount | oh I see | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | especially needing to chase the label checker | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | Frank found a new way to avoid it | 22:50 |
| @snapcount | I think as long as there is a WebGUI there will be work for perlDreamer | 22:50 |
| @snapcount | hmm | 23:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 23:04 |
| @snapcount | it seems the image form control is returning an empty array ref | 23:04 |
| @snapcount | when nothing is uploaded | 23:05 |
| @snapcount | which is fubaring the insert statement that setCollateral makes | 23:05 |
| @snapcount | the column name is showing up as a value along with a null key/value pair | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | don't you have to process the output of the form control via Storage? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you can store the Storage object? | 23:06 |
| @snapcount | $storageId = $self->session->form->process("image","image",undef,{name=>"image", value=>$storageId}) || ''; | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | empty array ref probably evalulates as true | 23:10 |
| @snapcount | yeah it would | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | because it's scalar form is an address | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | I think anyway | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | have to bust out the perl bible for that one | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | but why is process returning an array ref? | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | I'm looking at it now | 23:12 |
| @snapcount | my head is spinning | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | the form handling is a little convoluted | 23:28 |
| +perlDreamer | fortunately, I've only had to deal with stuff at the beginning (the form code) and not the intervening stuff | 23:28 |
| @snapcount | I think I'm following what it's doing | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | but I need to connect the dots | 23:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm in the middle of something, but if you want to bounce if off of me I'm open | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | actually, if you know bash scripting i'll swap you time for an answer | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | deal? | 23:32 |
| @snapcount | actually JT told me to come back to it later | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | np | 23:41 |
| @snapcount | I'll take a rain check though? | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you bet! | 23:41 |
| @snapcount | but I do know bash | 23:41 |
| @snapcount | what's up | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm having a make/bash conflict | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I have a make list: | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | ANALOG = analog io_is io_px_w io_px_s io_sns io_vdd io_vss ld_gain ld_gain_tmout OSC1 datapath PUMP_2790 data_eeprom prog_eeprom LVDDGEN vss_clamper tie_inherit io_ipud io_avss io_vin1 io_rxd io_txd sys_regulator2 io_vb OSC2 io_vin2 io_vx | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and I want to do some bash on it: | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | for file in $(ANALOG) do; touch $$file; done | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but bash doesn't like that | 23:42 |
| @snapcount | hmm | 23:44 |
| @snapcount | is it giving you an error? | 23:44 |
| @snapcount | I think that should be something like this | 23:45 |
| @snapcount | but I can get the book out | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | this is that I get: /bin/sh: syntax error at line 1: `touch' unexpected | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and here's the command: | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | for file in analog.cdl io_is.cdl io_px_w.cdl io_px_s.cdl io_sns.cdl io_vdd.cdl io_vss.cdl ld_gain.cdl ld_gain_tmout.cdl OSC1.cdl datapath.cdl PUMP_2790.cdl data_eeprom.cdl prog_eeprom.cdl LVDDGEN.cdl vss_clamper.cdl tie_inherit.cdl io_ipud.cdl io_avss.cdl io_vin1.cdl io_rxd.cdl io_txd.cdl sys_regulator2.cdl io_vb.cdl OSC2.cdl io_vin2.cdl io_vx.cdl do; touch $file; done | 23:45 |
| @snapcount | is there supposed to be a semi after do? | 23:46 |
| @snapcount | lemme get the book, I can't remember syntax =) | 23:46 |
| @snapcount | one sec | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I was whippin' out the man pages | 23:46 |
| * snapcount busts out Unix Shell Programming, 3rd Edition | 23:47 | |
| +perlDreamer | semicolon is in the wrong place | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be like this: | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | for file in file1 file2; do this; that; whatever; done | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | damn | 23:49 |
| @snapcount | you type faster than me =) | 23:49 |
| @snapcount | so you're good? | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:50 |
| @snapcount | coolio | 23:50 |
| @snapcount | off to LDAP land for me | 23:50 |
| @snapcount | I'll catch up with you re this image form control thing | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:51 |
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| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: hey | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, cheecheeo | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | how is jentoo? | 00:21 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: strugglin', i have a question about the designer of sunset's website. | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | how about messaging me? | 00:23 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: sure | 00:23 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: so i have my dtree menu displaying instead of the flex_menu2002 but it's not quite what I expected, do i need more depth to the site map? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | in the navigation asset, set it to look deeper | 00:40 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: okay | 00:41 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: you want to know something really weird? | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | cheecheeo: I just uploaded the flat help docs for 6.8.10 | 00:55 |
| cheecheeo | perlDreamer: gvim seems to wrap text at 78 columns even though I don't have textwidth set or anything in my gvimrc ever heard of that?. | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | is it creating multiple lines, or just wraping due to terminal width? | 00:58 |
| cheecheeo | creating multiple lines | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | no clue | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd check out the vim docs at www.vim.org | 01:01 |
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| cheecheeo | how can i make it so that a page layout link is unclickable, but still shows up in navigation menus? | 02:30 |
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| bipolar | is there any reason why the files in extras are unaccessable unless logged into webmin? | 02:21 |
| bipolar | wait... it's not extras, it's uploads. | 02:31 |
| bipolar | seems to be a .wgaccess thing | 02:34 |
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| walaki | hi | 15:35 |
| walaki | anybody here? | 15:42 |
| +luke___ | hi walaki | 17:33 |
| walaki | hello luke___ | 17:34 |
| walaki | could you help me with some advices? | 17:35 |
| +luke___ | i can try it | 17:35 |
| walaki | well, tx | 17:35 |
| walaki | I have to do a project before graduation, it is a very simple exam system and because my school has a webgui based e-learning thingy I need to do it with webgui | 17:36 |
| walaki | only two tipes of questions, simple choice and multiple choice | 17:37 |
| +luke___ | ok :) | 17:37 |
| walaki | I'm sleeping with perl books and the survey.pm source coe under my pillow for weeks, but it's overwhelming | 17:38 |
| walaki | any general advice what should I do? | 17:39 |
| walaki | I can code in c fairly well, but I never done oo progs (my school system sucks) | 17:40 |
| +luke___ | hm, what programming language you speak ? :) | 17:40 |
| +luke___ | ok | 17:40 |
| +luke___ | i think its better to use simpler wobjects like Article.pm to play with | 17:42 |
| walaki | what do you think about the time needed for make it work? | 17:43 |
| +luke___ | what exactly ? | 17:43 |
| +luke___ | (short-time away) | 17:44 |
| +luke___ | so back | 17:48 |
| walaki | the two types of questions | 17:49 |
| walaki | dding questions to the DB | 17:49 |
| walaki | exam with a few questions | 17:49 |
| walaki | questions in the exam and the answers to the questions randomized | 17:49 |
| walaki | after the exam a very simple result view, with points/max point, %, and the missed questions without the correct answers for exam takers, and detailed view for the instructor (question, exam taker's answer, corect answer, points) | 17:49 |
| walaki | exams should be exported to csv file (to make stats in excel) | 17:49 |
| +luke___ | you can change the survey mode to quiz | 17:52 |
| +luke___ | then you have Scores and % | 17:52 |
| +luke___ | you can also export the responses | 17:52 |
| +luke___ | which webgui version you use ? | 17:53 |
| walaki | yes I thought so, but I have to get individual results for the exam takers | 17:53 |
| walaki | old one: webgui-win32-zipngo-6.6.3.zip | 17:54 |
| +luke___ | ok, i never used the survey.pm | 17:54 |
| walaki | ok I just need general advice about how to make an assett, and how fast coud it be | 17:55 |
| +luke___ | do you read this: http://www.plainblack.com/wobject_tutorial | 17:57 |
| +luke___ | it´s a little bit outdated | 17:57 |
| walaki | no, and tx | 17:58 |
| +luke___ | OK :-) then check out this docs :) | 17:59 |
| walaki | yeah, I thought there will be a lot of help for an openc source system, but I haven't found | 17:59 |
| walaki | it's hard to find out everything from the source | 18:00 |
| +luke___ | yes | 18:00 |
| walaki | tx for your help, can I ask more later? (o: | 18:03 |
| +luke___ | sure if i here, but this docs are very outdated ! | 18:05 |
| walaki | I hope I can make it, I have two weeks, then I'm screwed )o: | 18:10 |
| +luke___ | good luck :) | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | anyone home, I'd like to kick around some code ideas | 04:46 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm home.. but my knowledge of the code is non-existant ;) | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | In 6.99, the Help system is inheritable | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so that you show topics from one help topic in another | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | (to save clicks) | 04:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so how do you know WebGUI, then? | 04:51 |
| Radix-wrk | I just use it.. don't know much perl really.. just how to edit config files :) | 04:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that's enough to use WebGUI | 04:52 |
| Radix-wrk | yup :) | 04:53 |
| Radix-wrk | Looks like I'll be at this WUC in las vegas this year - but man air-fares are expensive from here - AU$3k just for the flight | 04:54 |
| Radix-wrk | maybe I'll learn a bit of perl at the conference :) | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | the classes are really introductions, but they're good | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it takes time to learn perl | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | is AU Australia or Austria? | 04:55 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm a C++ programmer by trade | 04:55 |
| Radix-wrk | Australia | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll be back in a bit, need to tickle my kids | 04:56 |
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| jxmiller | anyone here? | 06:31 |
| Radix-wrk | no | 06:31 |
| jxmiller | I want to make a forums page for my website any suggestions? | 06:33 |
| Radix-wrk | the collaboration system will do forums nicely | 06:36 |
| jxmiller | hmm i will google that | 06:41 |
| Radix-wrk | err.. it's inside webgui | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | I'm assuming you're using webgui - or you wouldn't be here, right? | 06:42 |
| Radix-wrk | the collaboration system is an object in webgui - just add it to your page | 06:43 |
| jxmiller | I have no idea what webgui is | 06:47 |
| jxmiller | I was just looking for a good place to find some help with a channel search for "web" you came up | 06:48 |
| Radix-wrk | ahh.. http://www.plainblack.com/webgui | 06:50 |
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| walaki | hello | 16:47 |
| +luke___ | hey :) | 16:48 |
| walaki | I am wondering where can I get API help | 16:48 |
| +luke___ | you are using 6.8.6 ? | 16:48 |
| +luke___ | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/6.8.10-gamma/api/ | 16:49 |
| walaki | for there's an 404 error in pb site : | 16:49 |
| walaki | The requested URL /downloads/builds/^WebGUIVersion;-^WebGUIStatus;/api/ was not found on this server | 16:49 |
| +luke___ | yes, there are some broken macros | 16:49 |
| walaki | tx for the link | 16:50 |
| walaki | I have read that there were serious changes in the API, so what do you suggest use this API docs to 6.6.3 or upgrade to 6.8.6 | 16:51 |
| +luke___ | hm | 16:52 |
| +luke___ | best is to upgrade to 6.99 and using the 6.99 api | 16:52 |
| +luke___ | but I´m not sure that win WRE is running with 6.99 | 16:52 |
| +luke___ | if you using the 6.6.3 then read the 6.6 api | 16:53 |
| walaki | tx, my gratidude will always haunt you (o: | 17:05 |
| +luke___ | plz :) | 17:06 |
| walaki | I'm just curious. what do you use as a desktop system? I mean hw and sw. | 17:28 |
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| walaki | pc/laptop/handheld? which OS? | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | linux of course | 17:30 |
| walaki | hi to you too | 17:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:32 |
| +luke___ | windows/mac as desktop - linux: server :-) | 17:32 |
| +luke___ | hi Mr | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I run linux as my desktop | 17:32 |
| walaki | what distrib? | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm now on mandrake 10.1 | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it kinda sucks | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's old | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm just too lazy to install something else | 17:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll probably switch to ubuntu some day | 17:33 |
| walaki | I bought my first laptop in last dec, and I use win, but I wanted to try some linux or maybe bsd? | 17:33 |
| walaki | but my pals who used *nix say it's a pain in the ass till yu get a worked out system | 17:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't agree | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | installing mandrake went like this | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | insert cd | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | reboot | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | click yes | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | click yes | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | click yes | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | click no | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | etc | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | reboot | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | remove cd | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | walla | 17:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | not much more difficult than windows | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | but difficulty varies from distro to distro | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I heard a lot good things about suse | 17:36 |
| walaki | yeah I've tried it, my first choice was mandrake for its posix compatibility, but that was on a desktop pc | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | never tried it on a laptop | 17:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't own one | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | laptops used to be a pita | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've heard | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I guess that if you choose the right laptop | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | it should be fairly easy | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you can also try knoppix | 17:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | iit's a live cd distro | 17:38 |
| walaki | and I was sooo angry because I had to try a hundred apps before I found one that suited my wishes | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | no installing whatsoever required | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | hunderds of apps? | 17:38 |
| walaki | and that went on and on, browser, file manager, ftp, IM, media player | 17:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | For me that's no problem | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | the same thing's true fro windows | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | there are hunderds of mediaplayers available out there\ | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you should use what suits you best | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | in my case it's linux | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | since I do a lot of dev stuff | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | and read mail, browse and watch movies | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | and play music of course | 17:40 |
| walaki | I tried some live distros with this laptop I have, but none of them worked correctly with the screen (1400x1050) | 17:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh that could be | 17:40 |
| walaki | although it's clevo, it's pure intel inside (o: | 17:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | as I said I have no experience with linux on laptops | 17:41 |
| walaki | I see | 17:41 |
| walaki | maybe the problem is that I've geeked around with win apps I have high demands | 17:43 |
| walaki | and I need to do the geeking again with linux aps | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 17:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | linux provides high demand apps though | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | gmplayer is a very good mediaplayer | 17:45 |
| walaki | luckily I use cross-platform open source apps as much as I can | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | firefox/thunderbird | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I used those even when were still called netscape nbavigator | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | always liked em | 17:45 |
| walaki | netscape was good, but a bit slow | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's why firefox rocks | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's much better and faster | 17:46 |
| walaki | although with adblock firefox isn't the fastest for sure | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | or maybe hardware has improved | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have collegues who swear by opera | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i can't use it | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm used to the mozilla stuff for years | 17:47 |
| walaki | yeah, used to something makes you not want to change | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | yep | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I once made the step to vim | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | from more regular editors | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | at fisrst it sucked | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | but after a day or so | 17:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wouldn't trade it for anything else | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm more productive using it | 17:49 |
| walaki | I've tried vim too, not liked it and skipped | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:49 |
| walaki | but everíbody says the same who use it | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what I used to say to my collegues | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | same goes for Guinness | 17:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | the first one is filthy | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | but after that you can't get enough =) | 17:50 |
| walaki | so I suppose I have to force myself one day | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | you don't have to do anything | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm just suggesting... | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | that change can be a good thing | 17:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | even if it seems to suck at first | 17:51 |
| xdanger | walaki: just have to correct something you said earlier, all linux, and windows and macos x are posix compatible ;) | 17:51 |
| walaki | but I do, I'm ahead of big changes in my life, and only becoming more efficient can help me through | 17:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | I dunno what you do for a living | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if you're developing commandline stuff | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | nothing beats linux | 17:53 |
| walaki | xdanger: yeah you are right, I meant posix standard instead of posix compatible | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | that goes for developing in general btw | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you like guis check out eclipse | 17:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's opensource | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | has tons of plugins | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | and is more of an ide | 17:54 |
| walaki | tx, I will try | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.eclipse.org/ | 17:59 |
| snapcoun1 | os x baby!! | 18:06 |
| xdanger | snapcoun1: what do you use on osx? | 18:18 |
| snapcoun1 | for dev? | 18:18 |
| snapcoun1 | Komodo | 18:18 |
| snapcoun1 | it's real heavy though but it's the best one I've found so far | 18:19 |
| xdanger | is it good? | 18:19 |
| snapcoun1 | it's ok | 18:19 |
| snapcoun1 | has a ton of features | 18:19 |
| snapcoun1 | but I'm not into all that | 18:20 |
| xdanger | i'm still using a plain texteditor (subethaedit) | 18:20 |
| snapcoun1 | I just like syntax checking and highlighting | 18:20 |
| snapcoun1 | search and replace | 18:20 |
| snapcoun1 | basic stuff | 18:20 |
| xdanger | is it free? | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | Komodo is all I've found that will do syntax checking while you type | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | no | 18:21 |
| xdanger | I tested kodomo few year a go on windows.. | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | you can try it for 30 days | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | then it's like 20 bucks | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | for personal | 18:21 |
| xdanger | Liked it then, but didnät want to pay =P | 18:21 |
| snapcoun1 | pro is like 200 | 18:21 |
| xdanger | mainly 'cos I don't have a credit card =) | 18:22 |
| snapcoun1 | how do you live man? | 18:22 |
| snapcoun1 | lol | 18:22 |
| snapcoun1 | I use my card for everything it seems | 18:22 |
| snapcoun1 | I rarely use cash/checks | 18:22 |
| xdanger | I have a "bank card", but that only works in finland | 18:22 |
| snapcoun1 | oh I see | 18:22 |
| xdanger | I don't qualify for a visa =/ | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don't have a credit card too | 18:23 |
| xdanger | they grand me 100k euros mortage for my apartment byt no 1k for visa.. | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | just go to the atm | 18:23 |
| snapcoun1 | that's crazy | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | fins are crazy | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | have you seen the songfestival | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:24 |
| snapcoun1 | MrHairgrease: I'm writing a Paypal asset for wG | 18:24 |
| snapcoun1 | I'm about half done | 18:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | very good | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I don't have to that anymore | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 18:25 |
| snapcoun1 | it will support express checkout | 18:25 |
| snapcoun1 | well, I have to redo it all | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | being? | 18:25 |
| snapcoun1 | this is going to be a user contrib | 18:25 |
| snapcoun1 | but when JT revamps commerce I have to put it in the core | 18:25 |
| snapcoun1 | all my code | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are completely rwrite the commerce part? | 18:26 |
| snapcoun1 | no no | 18:26 |
| snapcoun1 | JT is doing that | 18:26 |
| snapcoun1 | well I'm sure I'll have to help | 18:26 |
| xdanger | well, the reason I can't get a visa seems to be that we have compulsory military, and I haven't gone yet =/ | 18:26 |
| snapcoun1 | xdanger: fight or no credit | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you drafted in finland? | 18:27 |
| snapcoun1 | I thought us Americans were insane | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | no worries | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are | 18:27 |
| snapcoun1 | lol | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:27 |
| xdanger | it's not drafted... you don't have any choise =) | 18:27 |
| xdanger | we'll we are a small nation... | 18:28 |
| xdanger | in people, not in area... | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I thought that was the idea when being drafted | 18:28 |
| xdanger | read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Defence_Forces | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | that it is compulsory | 18:28 |
| snapcoun1 | well normally a draft is temporary | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | In holland we trew that insane rule out 15 years ago or so | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:29 |
| snapcoun1 | I think he means it's like that always | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | temporary but compusory right? | 18:29 |
| snapcoun1 | yeah, in the US if you're drafted you have to go | 18:29 |
| snapcoun1 | but it takes a lot to instate a draft here | 18:29 |
| xdanger | we'll holland isn't next to russia... | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 18:30 |
| snapcoun1 | we have enough people that like to blow stuff up voluntaraly here | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you are gonna defeat the russian army | 18:30 |
| xdanger | we don't say that out loud, but that's why we still have conpulsory army =) | 18:30 |
| snapcoun1 | oy commrade | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | a bit cynical are we not? | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey man | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | who's living next to germany =) | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | no offence to any germans btw | 18:31 |
| xdanger | there is some difference =) | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | the germans started the 2nd ww | 18:32 |
| xdanger | we were a playpawn in the goldwar =/ | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | the russians helped ending it | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I'm the one who should be scared | 18:32 |
| xdanger | and russia violates our airspace from time to time... | 18:32 |
| xdanger | =P | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok ok ok | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | joins your fricken army =) | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | join* | 18:33 |
| xdanger | don't want to =( | 18:33 |
| xdanger | have too much to do | 18:33 |
| xdanger | but soon I'll have to... getting to old.. | 18:33 |
| snapcoun1 | so the only penalty for not joining the military which you have to do is that you can't get a visa? | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | I can imagine | 18:34 |
| snapcoun1 | I think I'd find a way to live without the Visa card =P | 18:35 |
| xdanger | I also can't get a passport for longer that 1 year at a time.. | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | pfew | 18:35 |
| snapcoun1 | run! | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm glad I'm living in Holland | 18:35 |
| snapcoun1 | run while you can | 18:35 |
| snapcoun1 | hehe | 18:35 |
| xdanger | And if I refuse to go, they throu me in jail for 13months | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf! | 18:35 |
| snapcoun1 | ok | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | In holland | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you refused | 18:35 |
| snapcoun1 | join the military | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | you had to pamper old people | 18:36 |
| snapcoun1 | lol | 18:36 |
| xdanger | that is an option too.. | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | or some other community service thing | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | n/k | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | it;s true | 18:36 |
| xdanger | A universal male conscription is in place, under which all men above 18 years of age serve from 6 to 12 months. | 18:36 |
| xdanger | Also a 13-month-long non-military service is possible. As of 1995, women were permitted to serve on a voluntary basis. | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | so go live on the Aland islands | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | Åland* | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | or become a Jehova's witness | 18:38 |
| xdanger | =P | 18:38 |
| snapcoun1 | time for more code... mmm... code | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | why are the Åland inhibitants exempt? | 18:38 |
| xdanger | autonomous, demilitarised, monolingually Swedish-speaking administrative province of Finland. | 18:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:40 |
| xdanger | As a part of our peace treaty to soviet union it has been demilititarised.. | 18:40 |
| xdanger | ups, typos again | 18:40 |
| xdanger | and autonous, for some f*cking reason that I really don't give a damn.. | 18:40 |
| xdanger | ou: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Åland#Autonomy_of_.C3.85land | 18:42 |
| xdanger | so, I did give a damn =) | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | the link does not work | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll look it up some day | 18:42 |
| xdanger | there's a link on the military page | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordi | 18:42 |
| xdanger | to that same page | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | no that is some modern finnish history | 18:43 |
| xdanger | yeah =) | 18:43 |
| xdanger | there is so much better rock bands in finland! | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | Prolly yeah | 18:44 |
| xdanger | ever heard of HIM or The Rasmus or Nighwish ? | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | Nightwish | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I don't like it | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm more into punk, rockabilly and pshychobilly stuff | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | and ska of course | 18:45 |
| xdanger | ok | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know a lot of people that do like nightwish though | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are a fan? | 18:45 |
| xdanger | I only consider my self a Queen fan, but I like alot of different kind of bands.. | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:47 |
| xdanger | have listened to them from the first album, so in some standarts, that would be a definition to fandom =) | 18:48 |
| xdanger | s/to/of/ | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | gotta go guys | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 18:52 |
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