WebGUI irc logs from: 2006-06.log

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+perlDreamer	snapcoun1: ping	06:36
+perlDreamer	hey! where's WRE?	06:36
+perlDreamer	you leave the channel for a few weeks and everything goes haywire	06:37
+perlDreamer	snapoun1: paging all Floridians	06:41
snapcoun1	greetings and salutations	06:46
+perlDreamer	yo, dude!	06:46
snapcoun1	how goes it	06:46
+perlDreamer	it is okay	06:46
+perlDreamer	I've been fixing bugs	06:46
+perlDreamer	and I was wondering if you were at all familiar with the survey code?	06:46
snapcoun1	yeah a little	06:47
snapcoun1	but I haven't looked at in quite a while	06:47
snapcoun1	I added the section feature to it	06:47
+perlDreamer	then you're the man I need!	06:48
snapcoun1	heh	06:48
+perlDreamer	in the technical sense	06:48
snapcoun1	uh oh	06:48
+perlDreamer	could you do an update and have a gander at the duplicate method, please?	06:48
snapcoun1	sure	06:48
+perlDreamer	do you have it?	06:50
snapcoun1	what am I looking for	06:51
+perlDreamer	sub duplicate	06:51
snapcoun1	ok	06:52
snapcoun1	now what	06:52
+perlDreamer	line 167	06:52
+perlDreamer	is that the correct key for that collateral?	06:52
+perlDreamer	let me back up and fill you in	06:53
+perlDreamer	Survey's wouldn't copy	06:53
+perlDreamer	so I fixed the first bug and then got a new one	06:53
+perlDreamer	involving that line	06:54
+perlDreamer	it used to set the collateral in Survey_response	06:54
snapcoun1	uhh	06:54
+perlDreamer	and when the setCollateral was executed it would complain that there was no comment column in that table	06:54
snapcoun1	I don't think you can use setCollateral for this table	06:54
+perlDreamer	so I tracked down which table it should be and fixed it	06:54
+perlDreamer	so now it copies	06:55
+perlDreamer	but I'm a little worred that the key might be wrong	06:55
+perlDreamer	so I thought I'd ask an expert	06:55
snapcoun1	it's a complex key	06:55
snapcoun1	three columns make the record unique	06:55
snapcoun1	I'm not sure if setCollateral can handle complex keys	06:56
snapcoun1	well, I guess it can	06:56
+perlDreamer	Do you read SciFi?	06:56
snapcoun1	you just tell setCollateral the key you want an id autogenerated for	06:56
snapcoun1	but you have to make sure you set the other two also	06:56
snapcoun1	no not really	06:57
snapcoun1	I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once though	06:57
+perlDreamer	++$snapcount	06:57
+perlDreamer	The copy seems to work, but like I said, I wanted a second set of eyes	06:58
snapcoun1	yeah	06:58
snapcoun1	it looks right	06:58
+perlDreamer	cool, thanks	06:58
snapcoun1	all the keyfields are being set	06:59
+perlDreamer	do you have time for another question?	06:59
snapcoun1	sure	06:59
+perlDreamer	ever build the WRE on a 64-bit machine?	06:59
snapcoun1	nope	06:59
snapcoun1	shouldn't be a problem though	07:00
+perlDreamer	perl won't compile	07:00
snapcoun1	what's the error	07:00
+perlDreamer	hang on a sec while I paste	07:00
+perlDreamer	/data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC	07:03
+perlDreamer	/data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: Bad value	07:03
+perlDreamer	collect2: ld returned 1 exit status	07:03
+perlDreamer	make[1]: *** [mod_perl.so] Error 1	07:03
+perlDreamer	make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/wrebuild/source/apache/mod_perl-2.0.2/src/modules/perl'	07:03
+perlDreamer	make: *** [modperl_lib] Error 2	07:03
+perlDreamer	WRE ERROR: mod_perl make did not complete successfully.	07:03
snapcoun1	did you try doing what it says?	07:04
snapcoun1	recompile with -fPIC	07:04
+perlDreamer	no	07:04
snapcoun1	I'm not sure but I think that's a gcc flag	07:04
snapcoun1	so you'll have to edit build.sh	07:05
snapcoun1	and add it as a compile flag	07:05
snapcoun1	let me look at it real quick so I can be more specific	07:05
+perlDreamer	okay	07:05
+perlDreamer	does build.sh supercede package specific build scripts, or just drive them?	07:05
snapcoun1	it's just a big wrapper	07:07
snapcoun1	it calls all the individual configures, and makes	07:07
snapcoun1	in the correct order	07:07
snapcoun1	nothing magical	07:07
+perlDreamer	so I should figure out how to pass PIC to perl and then add _that_ to the build.sh	07:07
snapcoun1	yeah	07:08
+perlDreamer	cool	07:08
snapcoun1	it will probably be something like	07:08
snapcoun1	CC=gcc CFLAGS=fPIC ./Configure --blah	07:08
snapcoun1	but ./Configure --help	07:08
snapcoun1	should tell you	07:08
snapcoun1	then just edit that line in build.sh that call ./Configure in the buildPerl sub	07:09
+perlDreamer	okay	07:09
+perlDreamer	thanks!	07:09
snapcoun1	sure thing	07:09
+perlDreamer	question 3?	07:09
snapcoun1	hopefully that will fix it	07:09
snapcoun1	why not	07:09
+perlDreamer	uh, well it's late in Florida	07:09
+perlDreamer	you probably have many other things to do	07:09
snapcoun1	no biggie	07:10
+perlDreamer	back to Survey.pm	07:10
snapcoun1	ok	07:10
+perlDreamer	editSection	07:10
+perlDreamer	if ($section->{sectionName} =~ /$none/) {	07:10
+perlDreamer	return $self->session->privilege->vitalComponent;	07:10
+perlDreamer	}	07:10
+perlDreamer	that will prevent anything containing the word Security from ever being re-edited.	07:10
+perlDreamer	should that be a string comparison instead of regexp match?	07:10
snapcoun1	the purpose of that	07:11
snapcoun1	(may not be what it's doing)	07:11
snapcoun1	is to ensure that there is always one section (at least) for every survey	07:12
snapcoun1	it's called "none"	07:12
snapcoun1	i18n'ed	07:12
snapcoun1	this block	07:12
snapcoun1	is to prevent people from modifying the section called "none"	07:12
+perlDreamer	with the regexp, it will match anywhere in the string because it's not anchored	07:13
snapcoun1	oh	07:13
snapcoun1	I'm not very good with PCRE	07:13
snapcoun1	that's all it's supposed to do so if you can make the regex better	07:13
snapcoun1	go for it	07:14
snapcoun1	it's just to protect the section called "none"	07:14
snapcoun1	remember it's i18n though	07:14
snapcoun1	so it may be called "hooflamaba'	07:14
snapcoun1	in leet or something	07:14
+perlDreamer	every Survey has a unique section called "none"?	07:14
snapcoun1	yes	07:14
snapcoun1	it's created by processPropertiesFromFormPost	07:15
+perlDreamer	so if I have two content managers with different languages, then one of them will be able to edit "none" since their language's none won't match the language of the guy who created the Survey?	07:15
snapcoun1	I guess you're right	07:16
snapcoun1	yeah	07:17
+perlDreamer	I think the only safe way is to do it via id's	07:17
+perlDreamer	but that means storing the id somewhere...	07:17
snapcoun1	but having a section named jghg_89485jfjed isn't very user friendly	07:17
+perlDreamer	it can be named anything	07:17
snapcoun1	I suppose you're right	07:18
+perlDreamer	but the assetId of the section created by pPFFP shouldn't be allowed to be edited	07:18
snapcoun1	I can't imagine this is a very likely to happen though	07:18
snapcoun1	but that would be better	07:18
snapcoun1	when I wrote it I assumed the site would use one language	07:19
+perlDreamer	well, I can't figure out how to do it anyway	07:19
* snapcoun1 slaps hand		07:19
+perlDreamer	since there's no way to lookup the section by name	07:19
snapcoun1	now that I think about it	07:19
snapcoun1	I think I tried to do it the way you're describing	07:20
snapcoun1	but couldn't figure something out	07:20
snapcoun1	don't remember what though =)	07:20
snapcoun1	it was a while ago when I did this	07:20
+perlDreamer	I see four options:	07:20
snapcoun1	wow	07:21
+perlDreamer	1) store the assetId of that section in the asset	07:21
+perlDreamer	2) add a column which says whether or not the section can be edited	07:21
+perlDreamer	3) Post a bug and let JT fix it :)	07:21
snapcoun1	actually I have to fix bugs tomorrow so... yeah	07:22
+perlDreamer	4) Post a bug and let Roy fix it	07:22
snapcoun1	doh!	07:22
+perlDreamer	I think the column would be the most robust	07:22
snapcoun1	I think it would be the easiest	07:24
+perlDreamer	I'll post the bug	07:24
+perlDreamer	I could use the karma	07:24
snapcoun1	lol	07:24
snapcoun1	vote for my commerce feature	07:24
snapcoun1	=P	07:24
snapcoun1	kinda silly actually... I think it's going in no matter what lol	07:25
snapcoun1	but it was fun to spend all my karma on it	07:25
snapcoun1	kind of like splurging at Best Buy or something	07:25
+perlDreamer	it's a good idea	07:25
+perlDreamer	WebGUI for mp3/video shopping	07:25
snapcoun1	pdf books	07:26
+perlDreamer	but it must be ranked pretty hard since the karma ranking is only 3.7	07:26
snapcoun1	pictures (hehe, long live pron)	07:26
+perlDreamer	how much karma do you have?	07:26
+perlDreamer	did you have?	07:26
snapcoun1	130 something	07:26
+perlDreamer	130/3.7	07:26
+perlDreamer	hmmm	07:26
snapcoun1	I ranked it as 35 hours	07:26
snapcoun1	so it's weighted heavy	07:26
snapcoun1	but, that number is a SWAG	07:27
snapcoun1	with all the Commerce changes, it could be 10 hours	07:27
snapcoun1	but should be no more than 35 worst case	07:27
snapcoun1	I just wrote something for BNT that's very similar (minus the commerce part)	07:27
+perlDreamer	cool	07:28
+perlDreamer	I've been working on the new variable section in the help	07:28
+perlDreamer	Did JT tell you about it?	07:28
snapcoun1	no	07:29
snapcoun1	what is it?	07:29
+perlDreamer	lots of people have talked about a template variable editor for wG	07:29
+perlDreamer	but there's 1 fundamental thing stopping it	07:29
+perlDreamer	there's no way to programmatically get which variables are available in a given template	07:29
snapcoun1	the code?	07:29
snapcoun1	oh	07:29
+perlDreamer	so JT and I schemed, and came with this idea	07:30
snapcoun1	yeah... most people use $var but there is no requirement to do so	07:30
+perlDreamer	template variables will be documented in the Help, like fields are	07:30
+perlDreamer	and Help now has inheritance so that you can inherit other variables, fields or related items from other help entries	07:30
snapcoun1	nice	07:31
+perlDreamer	so to get the set of template variables for a template, grab it's help and take the variables key in the hash	07:31
+perlDreamer	and voila	07:31
snapcoun1	that's slick	07:31
snapcoun1	did you notice that JT added autoGenerateForms to the Asset class?	07:32
+perlDreamer	no!	07:32
+perlDreamer	really?	07:32
snapcoun1	yep	07:32
+perlDreamer	sweet	07:32
snapcoun1	I pestered	07:32
+perlDreamer	Matt and I talked about doing that for a while	07:32
+perlDreamer	but never got around to doing it	07:32
+perlDreamer	it's good juju to have in the core	07:32
snapcoun1	I tried to use it in my Paypal asset to learn it wasn't there	07:33
snapcoun1	and I was like, "why isn't this here"	07:33
+perlDreamer	Paypal asset? not commerce plug-in?	07:33
snapcoun1	yeah	07:33
snapcoun1	I'm not sure I'm going to release it	07:33
snapcoun1	I have the paypal stuff working	07:33
snapcoun1	but I don't know	07:33
snapcoun1	I don't like it	07:33
+perlDreamer	I've seen it mentioned on the boards	07:34
snapcoun1	what's that?	07:34
+perlDreamer	brb	07:35
+perlDreamer	back	07:37
+perlDreamer	I thought I saw someone mention paypal in the Commerce	07:38
snapcoun1	what?	07:39
snapcoun1	in the Commerce?	07:39
+perlDreamer	yeah	07:39
snapcoun1	what does that mean	07:39
snapcoun1	in the code?	07:39
+perlDreamer	that a paypal plugin would be released for the Commerce	07:39
snapcoun1	yeah it will be in wG 7.1 I think	07:42
+perlDreamer	okay	07:42
snapcoun1	as a Payment Plugin	07:42
snapcoun1	but maybe not	07:42
snapcoun1	b/c Commerce is going to be rewritten	07:42
snapcoun1	that has to happen first	07:43
snapcoun1	it's going to be comprable to OSCommerce, ZenCart, etc	07:43
+perlDreamer	I've never used those.	07:43
snapcoun1	those types of features	07:43
snapcoun1	think Amazon	07:43
snapcoun1	in WebGUI	07:43
+perlDreamer	sweet	07:43
snapcoun1	yeah	07:43
snapcoun1	it's going to be huge	07:44
+perlDreamer	that's definitely a 7.1	07:44
snapcoun1	a whole new customer base	07:44
snapcoun1	I don't know the specifics	07:44
snapcoun1	but it's what 7 is all about	07:44
snapcoun1	7.1 - whatever	07:44
+perlDreamer	speaking of new, tell JT that he needs to build a VOIP comparison site	07:44
snapcoun1	have you told him =)	07:45
snapcoun1	or is this a trap	07:45
snapcoun1	lol	07:45
+perlDreamer	no, I thought it would complement the IM and other matrix sites	07:45
+perlDreamer	I wouldn't bear bait you	07:45
snapcoun1	hehe	07:47
snapcoun1	I know	07:47
+perlDreamer	are you still on break between classes?	07:48
snapcoun1	no	07:48
snapcoun1	I'm half done	07:48
snapcoun1	3 weeks left	07:48
snapcoun1	this week: thermodynamics for retards	07:49
snapcoun1	hehe	07:49
+perlDreamer	I thought you were taking business classes?	07:49
snapcoun1	"no no, heat and temperature are not the same Sally"	07:49
snapcoun1	sigh*	07:49
snapcoun1	this is my last Gen-Ed	07:50
snapcoun1	for Business	07:50
+perlDreamer	then you can get down to serious business	07:50
snapcoun1	heh	07:50
+perlDreamer	instead of messing around with all that engineering stuff	07:50
+perlDreamer	I mean, really!	07:50
+perlDreamer	who'd use that?	07:50
snapcoun1	I'm considering changing my major	07:51
snapcoun1	I really don't like Business classes	07:51
snapcoun1	but it's the safe degree	07:51
+perlDreamer	what about taking over the world?	07:51
snapcoun1	I know	07:51
snapcoun1	I think I can do that w/o a business degree	07:52
+perlDreamer	I think so, too	07:52
+perlDreamer	Look at Dave Thomas	07:52
snapcoun1	my passion is Test Engineering	07:52
snapcoun1	which == Comp. Sci, and EE	07:52
+perlDreamer	so more CS?	07:52
snapcoun1	I'd have to basically start over if I change majors though	07:53
snapcoun1	b/c I've taken business lvl math and science	07:53
snapcoun1	which aren't worth crap for CS and/or Eng	07:53
+perlDreamer	but your EE level stuff should get you through the prereqs for CS	07:53
+perlDreamer	don't you already have an EE degree?	07:53
snapcoun1	nope	07:53
snapcoun1	I have EET certificates	07:54
snapcoun1	vo-tech	07:54
+perlDreamer	ah	07:54
snapcoun1	did that in High School	07:54
+perlDreamer	dude, you're smart	07:54
+perlDreamer	you can do it	07:54
snapcoun1	it's a matter of goals at this point	07:54
snapcoun1	I need to get a Bachelors	07:54
snapcoun1	so I'm thinking I'll finish the Business degree	07:55
snapcoun1	then maybe do CS or EE	07:55
+perlDreamer	either of them should be easy with your experience	07:55
snapcoun1	I just need the degree for my piece of mind	07:55
+perlDreamer	and the salary	07:55
snapcoun1	I'm not so good at math	07:56
snapcoun1	which sucks	07:56
+perlDreamer	do the CS degree then	07:56
snapcoun1	b/c it's key to the fundamental understanding of both	07:56
snapcoun1	I like Math	07:56
snapcoun1	but I have to work at it	07:56
+perlDreamer	I'm pretty sure that EE is more math intensive than CS	07:56
snapcoun1	They're actually very close	07:57
snapcoun1	at least at the school I'm going to	07:57
snapcoun1	Calc I + II, Diff Eq, Linear Algebra	07:57
snapcoun1	there are two more I think	07:58
snapcoun1	can't remember	07:58
+perlDreamer	I had to take 8 classes for EE	07:58
+perlDreamer	in Math	07:58
+perlDreamer	Calc 1 and 2, Vector Calc, Diff Eq, Linear, Series and Sequences, Statistics	07:58
+perlDreamer	I forget the 8th	07:59
snapcoun1	Stat was one of the two I couldn't think of	07:59
snapcoun1	maybe that was it	07:59
snapcoun1	then the science classes	07:59
snapcoun1	may as well been math =)	07:59
+perlDreamer	most hard science is heavily math based	07:59
snapcoun1	yeah	08:00
snapcoun1	harder than the math I think	08:00
snapcoun1	b/c it's applied	08:00
snapcoun1	you have to understand it and know how to apply it	08:00
snapcoun1	it's not abstract like it is in a math class	08:00
+perlDreamer	but if you can map the problem into a solution set, then it's just plug and chug	08:01
+perlDreamer	plus, real world stuff goes beyond hand analysis pretty quick	08:01
+perlDreamer	think about the fields in a capacitor	08:01
+perlDreamer	perpendicular fields are easy	08:01
+perlDreamer	fringe fields can be done to a certain degree	08:02
+perlDreamer	but anything complex is handled via finite element analysis and a computer program	08:02
snapcoun1	you mean there is more to reactance and resonance then 1/2pisqrt(L*C)	08:03
snapcoun1	=)	08:03
+perlDreamer	only a little	08:03
+perlDreamer	I need to crash.	08:04
+perlDreamer	you be around later this week?	08:04
snapcoun1	yeah should be	08:04
+perlDreamer	cool	08:04
snapcoun1	oh	08:04
+perlDreamer	I may need you to explain how sections work so that I can document them	08:04
snapcoun1	almost forgot	08:05
snapcoun1	wanna see a 2 min video of me skydiving?	08:05
+perlDreamer	send me the URL	08:05
+perlDreamer	I'm still trying to get multimedia working on my laptop	08:05
snapcoun1	heh	08:05
snapcoun1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDElhcf0m4	08:05
snapcoun1	I need to get WRE working again	08:06
snapcoun1	I've neglected him	08:06
+perlDreamer	one other quick thing	08:06
+perlDreamer	Matt is still in some of the session descriptions for the WUC	08:06
snapcoun1	oh really	08:06
snapcoun1	I'll mention it to Vrby	08:07
+perlDreamer	are you red or blue or camera-man?	08:07
snapcoun1	red	08:07
snapcoun1	the guy flopping around	08:07
snapcoun1	=)	08:07
snapcoun1	this is from last summer	08:08
+perlDreamer	nice flip	08:08
snapcoun1	yeah, my front-flip was a failure	08:09
snapcoun1	back flip went ok	08:09
+perlDreamer	to think that people jump out of perfectly good airplanes	08:09
+perlDreamer	tut tut tut	08:09
snapcoun1	not anymore	08:09
snapcoun1	been there done that =)	08:09
+perlDreamer	I like my feet on the ground	08:11
+perlDreamer	Trains are okay	08:11
+perlDreamer	slow but expensive	08:11
+perlDreamer	catch you later, Roy	08:12
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kamathl1	what is WebGUI ?//	23:41
kamathl1	hellooooooO!	23:41
kamathl1	anybody home?	23:43
@snapcount	www.webgui.org	23:43
kamathl1	thx	23:43
@snapcount	sure	23:43
+MrHairgrease	also check out the interview with jt at perlcast.com	23:45
+MrHairgrease	jt is the main webgui guy btw	23:45
kamathl1	yeah yeah.. all that looks intresting when it comes ti the technical stff. but the legal stuff is kinda strange..	23:50
kamathl1	http://www.plainblack.com/legal	23:51
kamathl1	any more legal stuff lying around anywhere else?//	23:51
@snapcount	in the source code	23:51
kamathl1	Well. open source thuis is .. but is it really Free (as in freedom)	23:51
@snapcount	it's all GPL	23:52
@snapcount	yes and the software is free too	23:52
kamathl1	Ha! it is strange to see that not mentioened on the website's "legal information" section.. which may drive away potential developers/users	23:53
+MrHairgrease	gotta go guys	23:53
+MrHairgrease	see you later	23:53
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kamathl1	c ya	23:53
kamathl1	people who are bent on "GNU and FOSS" will think it is on some otherr license and will get repelled	23:54
@snapcount	perhaps	23:55
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xdanger	I think that the legal page is about the plainblack.com site, not about the software	00:31
kamathl1	oh	00:31
xdanger	06.06.06	00:35
xdanger	The fear of the number 666 is known as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.	00:35
kamathl1	whats 06.06.06 ?	00:35
kamathl1	Ah!	00:35
xdanger	just a funny quote that I found =)	00:35
xdanger	today =)	00:35
xdanger	we'll depends where in the world you are	00:35
kamathl1	Hey! it took me full 12 seconds to pronounce it .. I like it :-P	00:36
xdanger	that's my word of the day =)	00:36
xdanger	propably don't even remember it tomorrow =)	00:37
kamathl1	I couldn't remember the first half when i tried to pronounce the other :-P	00:37
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snapcoun1	nice fix on the captcha bug martin	15:18
snapcoun1	I spent like 2 hours on that and now I officially feel like a dummy =)	15:18
+MrHairgrease	heh	15:18
snapcoun1	it's always the obvious that escapes me	15:18
+MrHairgrease	I knew my imagemagick had to work	15:18
+MrHairgrease	so I just figured	15:19
+MrHairgrease	maybe they have the same color	15:19
snapcoun1	I knew the graphic was good because I checked it with the identify --verbose utility	15:20
snapcoun1	sigh*	15:20
snapcoun1	hours of my life wasted	15:20
+MrHairgrease	yeah	15:20
+MrHairgrease	you are very near a midlife crisis	15:21
snapcoun1	Are you trying to cheer me up? (It's not working) lol	15:21
+MrHairgrease	have you picked up golfing with too young chicks yet?	15:21
+MrHairgrease	=)	15:21
snapcoun1	no no... putt putt golfing	15:21
snapcoun1	only golfing I do	15:21
+MrHairgrease	do you already dye your hair =)	15:21
snapcoun1	lol	15:21
snapcoun1	nope	15:21
snapcoun1	still good there	15:22
+MrHairgrease	if your car larger than Koen's?	15:22
snapcoun1	what kind of car does he have?	15:22
+MrHairgrease	Some bmw	15:22
+MrHairgrease	I dunno	15:22
snapcoun1	ah	15:22
+MrHairgrease	He likes em big	15:22
snapcoun1	no... I have a mustang	15:22
snapcoun1	nothing fancy	15:22
+MrHairgrease	I have a bike	15:22
snapcoun1	I want one	15:22
+MrHairgrease	bicicle	15:23
snapcoun1	been saving =)	15:23
snapcoun1	oh	15:23
snapcoun1	I already have one of those =)	15:23
+MrHairgrease	it has those cute pink bag on the rear thiough	15:23
+MrHairgrease	the rest is covered in rust	15:23
snapcoun1	pink eh?	15:25
snapcoun1	never pictured you as the 'pink bag' kinda guy haha	15:26
snapcoun1	I'm picturing your PBWG photo only with you having a pink bag over your shoulder	15:26
+MrHairgrease	yeah	15:27
+MrHairgrease	you do that	15:28
snapcoun1	hah	15:28
+MrHairgrease	normally only girls are fantasizing about me	15:28
+MrHairgrease	but in your case I'll make an exeption =)	15:28
snapcoun1	calc eurohunk	15:28
snapcoun1	damn	15:28
snapcoun1	need to get wre back in here I suppose	15:28
+MrHairgrease	yeah I miss it already	15:29
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+crythia1	howdy	02:48
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Tamray	Here I am	05:10
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+crythia1	heh	05:21
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+crythia1	heh.	05:22
+crythia1	ok. where can I get the src for httpd 2.2?	05:22
+crythia1	ryt?	05:23
+crythia1	hi tamray	05:25
+crythia1	cpan building apache2::request right now	05:25
Tamray	ok, what was wrong with it?	05:27
+crythia1	you said it didn't know where apxs was?	05:27
Tamray	right	05:27
+crythia1	well, I re-built libapreq2 from your root, and told it.	05:28
+crythia1	then cpan seemed to "know" where it was.	05:28
Tamray	I don't know where the sourc was, where?	05:28
+crythia1	libapreq was in root	05:28
+crythia1	not /, but ~root	05:28
Tamray	right, but I had run make many, times	05:28
+crythia1	but right this second, I'm sitting watching parsers do no...	05:28
+crythia1	1/542	05:29
+crythia1	but apache won't start now anyway...	05:29
Tamray	it will error out at the end	05:29
+crythia1	grr	05:29
+crythia1	ctrl-c is mucked up	05:29
+crythia1	hmm	05:30
+crythia1	apache won't start at all?	05:31
Tamray	hmm, good	05:31
Tamray	Right, if you look at error_log it complains about a .pm	05:31
+crythia1	no.	05:32
+crythia1	not even with the head junk removed... trying to diagnose...	05:32
+crythia1	sigh. would be nice to know if there was an rcs available.	05:33
+crythia1	I hate making numeric backups of files	05:33
Tamray	what do you think?	05:34
+crythia1	if I coudl use ci, it'd rock. because I can do versions of httpd.conf, even delete it, and get it back working.	05:34
Tamray	you know more than me.	05:34
+crythia1	please bear with me as I'm trying to get apache to work, first, then we get WebGUI :(	05:34
Tamray	al the webgui stuff is at the top of httpd.conf	05:35
+crythia1	except for NameVirtualHosts	05:35
+crythia1	still httpd isn't starting	05:35
Tamray	right	05:35
+crythia1	configtest isn't working...	05:38
Tamray	service httpd start??	05:38
+crythia1	takes for EVEN	05:38
+crythia1	EVER	05:38
+crythia1	why?	05:41
+crythia1	oh.	05:41
+crythia1	guess 'cause no documentroot	05:41
Tamray	why service httpd start? FC5's way	05:41
+crythia1	I did that. wasn't happening.	05:41
Tamray	the only change made from befoe webgui is the added stuff to httpd.conf, and I copied Apache2 folder to /data/WebGUI/lib	05:42
+crythia1	right. ok. I renamed the Apache2 folder because it wasn't linked properly to your apache install	05:43
Tamray	k	05:43
+crythia1	and I can't get apache to work with the current httpd.conf	05:43
Tamray	replace away	05:44
+crythia1	dont' know what I'm missing.	05:44
+crythia1	apache should be instant start.	05:44
Tamray	yep	05:44
+crythia1	right. 'cause you're using bad IP addresses!	05:45
Tamray	?	05:45
+crythia1	your ip address (apparently) maps to news.bbe.k12.mn.us	05:45
Tamray	I used the same box that used to be that server. You can remove all traces	05:46
Tamray	should have the same host name as the other box. www.tamray.com	05:46
+crythia1	httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name	05:47
+crythia1	this is a common error	05:47
Tamray	how can that be fixed?	05:47
+crythia1	ServerName directive in httpd.conf. fixable later.	05:47
Tamray	k	05:48
+crythia1	BUT that's what's taking so long.	05:48
+crythia1	it thinks it's something..	05:48
+crythia1	much faster now!	05:49
+crythia1	:)	05:49
Tamray	cool	05:49
Tamray	so apache starts without a hitch?	05:49
+crythia1	but I still need (I think?) httpd-2.2 src... dunno. gimme a sec	05:49
+crythia1	well, apache starts without webgui	05:49
+crythia1	so far, that's a good thing	05:50
Tamray	if you can find a way to provide a source we should post this solution for rpm installs	05:50
+crythia1	well, it'd be httpd-2.2.src.rpm or whatever	05:51
Tamray	you want me to find it?	05:51
+crythia1	yes, please? :)	05:51
Tamray	k	05:51
+crythia1	hrm.	05:51
+crythia1	interesting mod_perl is having to be installed by cpan? the heck?	05:52
Tamray	it was installed 2.x	05:54
+crythia1	ok.	05:54
+crythia1	right now, sitting on parsers .....ok 1/542	05:55
+crythia1	where I cut out before.	05:55
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Tamray	what version of httpd do I have	05:56
+crythia1	2.2	05:57
Tamray	rpm -q httpd	05:57
+crythia1	httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2	05:57
+crythia1	but if you'd be good enough to remove httpd-2.2 and replace with httpd-2.0, I'd be happy	05:58
+crythia1	or not	05:58
+crythia1	wait.	05:58
Tamray	closest I could find ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.src.rpm	05:59
+crythia1	ok.	05:59
+crythia1	then you'd have a 5.2 .rpm	05:59
Tamray	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/i386/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.i386.rpm	06:00
+crythia1	that's testing	06:00
+crythia1	don't think you want that.	06:00
Tamray	k	06:00
Tamray	what do I want?	06:00
+crythia1	sec	06:00
+crythia1	this is what you have ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.i386.rpm	06:01
Tamray	I couldn't find the src rpm for that	06:01
+crythia1	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/source/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.src.rpm	06:01
Tamray	rpm away	06:02
+crythia1	been ages.	06:02
Tamray	I can do it.	06:03
Radix-wrk	man, I haven't had to deal with rpm madness for years	06:03
Radix-wrk	apt-get is sooo much nicer :)	06:03
Tamray	hang on a few minutes	06:03
+crythia1	Tamray: I'm wget on the first site	06:04
+crythia1	then I'll sftp to the second	06:04
+crythia1	Radix: I hear ys	06:04
+crythia1	I'm FreeBSD. mine's portinstall	06:05
Radix-wrk	heh	06:05
Radix-wrk	that's prolly the hardest thing with webgui in some ways - all the different system configurations makes it hard to make everyone happy	06:06
+crythia1	tamray: stop	06:06
Tamray	k, httpd is gone though	06:07
+crythia1	yeah. 'cause I wget'd from one then sftpd to t'other.	06:07
+crythia1	nm.	06:07
+crythia1	but you rpm installed it?	06:07
Tamray	so you have it from here, or can we scp things to the server	06:08
+crythia1	on second, it's in ~	06:08
Radix-wrk	Anyways, I'll leave you guys to it and get back to work - sounds like a busy install :)	06:08
Tamray	i removed the httpd we had installed, getting ready for the new one	06:08
+crythia1	what?	06:08
Tamray	I did a rpm -e httpd --nodeps	06:08
+crythia1	put it back?	06:09
Tamray	:)	06:09
Tamray	its back now, and the src rom is in /root	06:12
+crythia1	sorry. I'm trying to find out where everything is.	06:13
Tamray	I didn't install the src rpm	06:14
+crythia1	I"m happy-er now. I think	06:15
Tamray	happy is good	06:15
+crythia1	I don't think I installed it correct	06:15
Tamray	installed what?	06:15
+crythia1	the sources. they came out icky	06:15
+crythia1	pwd	06:15
+crythia1	not password	06:16
Tamray	have to use rpmbuild --rebuild src.rpm	06:16
+crythia1	no.	06:16
+crythia1	I just need the source code. I think?	06:16
Tamray	where can we get it?	06:16
+crythia1	it's now in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES. I'm an idiot and rpm -Uv httpd...src.rpm	06:17
+crythia1	I think I missed a flag	06:17
Tamray	why do you think that?	06:18
+crythia1	thought it might have been dumped into its own dir structure	06:19
Tamray	and?	06:19
+crythia1	it didn't. it went into "SOURCES"	06:20
Tamray	good	06:20
+crythia1	nm. Like I said...	06:20
Tamray	now that you say this. It all makes perfect sense	06:20
+crythia1	I wanted it, maybe to go into SOURCES\httpd	06:21
+crythia1	not important right now	06:21
Tamray	right	06:21
+crythia1	I want to install rcs, though	06:21
Tamray	install what you need. why rcs?	06:22
+crythia1	does xtratyme mean anything to you?	06:22
Tamray	my ISP	06:22
Tamray	wireless ISP	06:22
+crythia1	'kay	06:22
+crythia1	here's the thing with RCS: we can monkey around with installing and deinstalling httpd	06:22
+crythia1	BUT it kills httpd.conf.	06:23
+crythia1	if we use RCS, we can safely kill httpd.conf and bring it back.	06:23
Tamray	please do, and document it for me tomorrow, when you have time	06:23
+crythia1	rpm -Uv rpmfile, right?	06:24
Tamray	yes	06:25
+crythia1	you're editing resolv.conf?	06:25
Tamray	just checking it to see why no internet	06:26
+crythia1	it's routing problem	06:26
+crythia1	you have no default route	06:26
Tamray	I set this box up at my office today, and then brought it home	06:26
+crythia1	ok. you have a default route	06:26
+crythia1	but it's not the same as the first box	06:27
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+crythia1	I'm sorry this is taking so long.	06:27
+perlDreamer	I know	06:27
+perlDreamer	wG 7 has taken years	06:27
+crythia1	ah.	06:28
Tamray	both need to point to 10.10.10.1 for default	06:28
+crythia1	rpmsave still..	06:28
Tamray	yes	06:28
+crythia1	tamray: but somehow ...	06:28
+crythia1	first box says ipcop	06:28
+crythia1	when route	06:28
Tamray	that is my firewall 10.10.10.1	06:29
+crythia1	route still isn't working. :(	06:29
+crythia1	or ping doesn't work through your firewall outbound to ip address.	06:29
Tamray	subnetmask issue. different at work.	06:30
+crythia1	yep. I'd agree	06:30
Tamray	if it is trouble I can fix the firewall to match the box	06:30
+crythia1	well, you won't be serving pages until it's fixed.	06:31
Tamray	you will get bumped off. ok to do now?	06:31
+crythia1	go for it	06:31
+crythia1	think it might be faster.	06:33
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+crythia1	ok	06:35
Tamray_Tech	k	06:35
+crythia1	untarred the source	06:36
+crythia1	now for cpan	06:36
Tamray_Tech	libpreq?	06:37
+crythia1	Apache2::Request	06:37
Tamray_Tech	k	06:37
+crythia1	however, seems to be moving a bit nicer...?	06:37
Tamray_Tech	All the little things you learn when you try to help somene:)	06:38
+crythia1	the thing is..	06:38
+crythia1	why the HECK does Apache2::Request want to install mod_perl for apache1??	06:39
Tamray_Tech	I have no idea. I saw that earlier. About the time I pulled my last hair out.. Maybe wrong vesion?	06:39
+crythia1	think I might have help ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/2.0/PLD/i586/PLD/RPMS/perl-libapreq2-2.05-2.i586.rpm	06:43
Tamray_Tech	isn't that the rpm I have installed?	06:44
+crythia1	not the perl one.	06:44
+crythia1	maybe.	06:44
+crythia1	still looking	06:44
Tamray_Tech	missed that. Glad you found it. I looked earlier nad never came across it	06:45
+crythia1	ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/5/i386/perl-libapreq2-2.07-2.fc5.i386.rpm	06:46
+crythia1	sorry about another time waster.	06:46
Tamray_Tech	did you download it?	06:46
+crythia1	cpan install cpanbundle is long	06:46
+crythia1	not yet.	06:46
+crythia1	wish I installed screen, though. I'd be happier	06:47
+crythia1	screen allows you to ctrl-a ctrl-a swap between jobs	06:47
Tamray_Tech	what do you mean "installed screen"	06:47
+crythia1	nice nice nice	06:47
Tamray_Tech	k	06:47
Radix-wrk	screen is a must for remote work :)	06:47
Tamray_Tech	send me a link	06:48
+crythia1	it's a fc5 rpm	06:48
Tamray_Tech	no wonder I didn't know about it:)	06:48
+crythia1	the best thing about screen is that it allows you to disconnect from a job (like a long compile) or because of a dropped link... then you just... reconnect!	06:49
Radix-wrk	fedora doesn't include screen?	06:49
+crythia1	the job just keeps on going.	06:49
+crythia1	not in his install.	06:49
+crythia1	neither rcs	06:49
Tamray_Tech	I use Remote Desktop with putty for the same reason	06:49
+crythia1	yeah, but if your putty disco's, you have to start anew.	06:50
+crythia1	unless you're running your job in screen	06:50
+crythia1	first: login.	06:50
+crythia1	screen -rd	06:50
Tamray_Tech	yep, but I can go home at the end of the day and hope for the best:)	06:50
+crythia1	screen allows you not to have to hope :)	06:50
Tamray_Tech	nothing more fun than running make on a 100Mb file and have to go home soon with your laptop:)	06:51
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+crythia1	# screen	06:52
Tamray_Tech	my other login disconnected. I am still here	06:52
+crythia1	# make 100mb file	06:52
+crythia1	# ctl-d (disconnect)	06:52
+crythia1	go home	06:52
+crythia1	telnet	06:52
Tamray_Tech	:)	06:52
+crythia1	screen -rd	06:52
+crythia1	.... what compile options did you want?	06:53
Tamray_Tech	what are we compiling now?	06:53
+crythia1	um.	06:53
+crythia1	just rpm installed perl-libapreq2	06:53
Tamray_Tech	use your judgement	06:54
Tamray_Tech	is the world perfect now?	06:54
+crythia1	gasp	06:54
+crythia1	perl preload.perl is not balking (as much) as it used to	06:55
Tamray_Tech	I couldn't even get it to balk	06:55
+crythia1	testEnvironment.pl is better-ish	06:55
Tamray_Tech	I commented out a few things I was going to work on later	06:56
Tamray_Tech	do you need to go?	06:56
+crythia1	getting closer	06:57
Tamray_Tech	k	06:57
+crythia1	webgui is starting	06:58
+crythia1	and failed.	06:58
+crythia1	but nicer	06:58
Tamray_Tech	a nicely failed start is better than a bad failed start:)	06:58
+crythia1	the errors are no longer the same thing	06:59
Tamray_Tech	what do they relate to?	06:59
+crythia1	the .conf, I think?	07:00
Tamray_Tech	maybe I didn't get all the perms on the folders changed to apache?	07:01
+crythia1	it's a parsing problem :(	07:01
Tamray_Tech	nothing is sacred in my config	07:01
+crythia1	WebGUI runs	07:03
Tamray_Tech	whoo hoo!	07:03
* crythia1 smacks you about the head.		07:03
+crythia1	ok.	07:04
Tamray_Tech	ouch!	07:04
+crythia1	one thing you didn't (couldn't?) know about: perl-libapreq2 rpm	07:04
+crythia1	it doesn't appear to be a stock FC5 rpm.	07:04
+crythia1	but it was what fixed what was missing	07:05
Tamray_Tech	you commented on this in another post, but I did not realize it was perl-libapreq2	07:05
+crythia1	the parsing errors were related to you not enclosing strings inside quotes	07:05
+crythia1	in FreeBSD, it's p5-libapreq2	07:05
Tamray_Tech	where, my www.tamray.com.conf?	07:06
+crythia1	there's two: libapreq2 and p5-libapreq2	07:06
+crythia1	yes, your .conf	07:06
Tamray_Tech	k	07:06
+crythia1	I fixed them and created a version history for the fixed version	07:06
Tamray_Tech	send me the links for those when you document your work	07:06
+crythia1	I leave it to you to get your domain working,...	07:07
+crythia1	well.	07:07
Tamray_Tech	You can email me tomorrow. if webgui is working we are good	07:07
+crythia1	you still have that criteria for mailman to work...	07:07
Tamray_Tech	should still work if /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf is still there	07:08
+crythia1	(hint: don't delete things with ,v)	07:08
Tamray_Tech	vi ?	07:08
+crythia1	gotta put passthruUrls	07:08
Tamray_Tech	easy enough, and Location tag	07:09
+crythia1	your domain isn't working via internet	07:09
+crythia1	apache seems to be working, though.	07:10
Tamray_Tech	I will get it working, if webgui is running I am good	07:10
Tamray_Tech	so, we're finished up?	07:11
Radix-wrk	So does anyone here actually use any methods for reinstalling a whole webgui system from scratch?	07:12
Radix-wrk	I've just been working on making a clone of our current setup on a virtual machine.. partly for testing, but also just to reproduce the process and look at documenting it.	07:12
+crythia1	Tamray: I think so. Let me know how you feel	07:12
Tamray_Tech	Thanks much. I will talk to you tomorrow when you send me your findings and advice.	07:14
+crythia1	heh. I got neg digs on this... but here's the rcs info: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/ot-ci--l-rcs---easily-version-your-files	07:14
Tamray_Tech	if it will help other users you can document/share whatever you like:)	07:15
+crythia1	np.	07:15
+crythia1	I wasted too much time trying to do what you did. :)	07:15
+crythia1	you were as close as perl-libapreq2	07:15
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+crythia1	Radix: I wasn't ignoring you.... same architecture?	07:16
Tamray_Tech	funny!, but worth a bunch.	07:16
+crythia1	Thanks for your patience.	07:17
Tamray_Tech	That was my line:) I really appreciate your help. Have a good night!	07:17
Radix-wrk	The virtual machine (using virtualpc on windows) was mostly because I wanted something I could use to test our webgui site with the latest webgui versions - and see what errors came up, what problems were encountered (and hopefully help log some of them before 7 went live)	07:18
Tamray_Tech	great idea	07:18
+crythia1	ok. 'cause the capitalizations will be prob. moving from win to linux	07:18
Radix-wrk	so I made a virtual machine of a bare debian install, installed everything to get it to run our current webgui site.	07:19
Radix-wrk	nah.. I didn't install it under windows - I used virtualpc on windows	07:19
Radix-wrk	VirtualPC is like vmware, etc	07:19
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+crythia1	gotcha	07:20
+crythia1	mysqdump data > datafile.sql	07:20
+crythia1	tar czvf webgui.tar.gz /data	07:21
Radix-wrk	yup.. I have backups of the /data dir and mysql - so I use that to sync the clone with our virtual server	07:21
Radix-wrk	works a treat actually	07:21
Radix-wrk	got a 6.99.2 version of our server (though not had time to try 6.99.3 yet)	07:21
+crythia1	if I crashed, I can get up and running within a bit	07:21
+crythia1	well, 'cept nothings important so far ? :)	07:22
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Radix-wrk	I never commented btw, but I did appreciate that rcs post you made - I found it very useful	07:26
Radix-wrk	I've yet to get it into my daily processes tho - which is a bit of a shame - been too busy doing everything else.	07:27
+karma_kameleon	when I figured out what it did...	07:58
+karma_kameleon	(rcs)	07:58
+karma_kameleon	I just can't start working on .confs without it.	07:59
+karma_kameleon	and all the /etcs	07:59
+karma_kameleon	I just couldn't believe how useful and EASY it was to use.	07:59
Radix-wrk	heh	07:59
+karma_kameleon	and when you do something like rm -f /etc/passwd and then co -l passwd :)	08:00
+karma_kameleon	it's so nive	08:00
+karma_kameleon	nice	08:00
* snapcoun1 howls at the moon		08:00
Radix-wrk	yeah.. I just have to break 10 years of habit to use it that's all ;)	08:01
+karma_kameleon	I completely understand.	08:01
snapcoun1	crythias: what's this? you cloning yourself now? lol	08:01
+karma_kameleon	but... wow. ci -l filename.ext is just so much nicer than cp filename.ext filename.ext.today's date	08:01
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+crythia1	heh	08:03
Radix-wrk	home account?	08:03
+crythia1	well, yeah, but I left office on	08:03
Radix-wrk	heh	08:04
Radix-wrk	So anyone else here going to WUC?	08:04
snapcoun1	thinking about it	08:04
snapcoun1	=)	08:04
+crythia1	I want to go, really. but not certain.	08:04
Radix-wrk	I've had approval from the boss, booked my ticket - just got to organise the flights :)	08:05
Radix-wrk	funnily enough, it's the same price to go to las vegas from here as it is to do a world trip.. so I'm planning a big world trip at the same time :)	08:05
snapcoun1	either of you guys openldap experts?	08:06
+crythia1	I may have a change in where I live...	08:06
Radix-wrk	same cost to go from perth - las vegas as it is to go perth, london, paris, new york, las vegas, san francisco, perth - tis crazy :)	08:06
+crythia1	I don't know ldap :( I'm lame	08:07
Radix-wrk	snapcoun1: no, sorry, ldap newbie	08:07
snapcoun1	we should start a club	08:07
Radix-wrk	heh	08:07
snapcoun1	=P	08:07
+crythia1	active directory works for me! Call 1800 MSN LDAP	08:07
Radix-wrk	I just use the database linkage for user management	08:08
snapcoun1	I spent 3 hours today to figure out that if you define an index for a uid attribute that filters won't work for that attribute	08:08
snapcoun1	I don't know if it's the posixAccount objectClass or what the fubar is	08:08
snapcoun1	(uid=jsmith*) works	08:08
snapcoun1	(uid=jsmith) does not	08:08
+crythia1	gtg... ttfn	08:08
snapcoun1	ttfn?	08:09
+crythia1	ta ta for now	08:09
Radix-wrk	ta ta for now	08:09
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snapcoun1	Tickle Tickle Fickle Nickle	08:09
snapcoun1	this ldap stuff is actually pretty cool	08:10
snapcoun1	I have a webgui site and my shell acounts authenticating against here in my test environment	08:10
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+crythias	hello	16:37
+MrHairgrease	hello	16:39
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+MrHairgrease	hey roy	18:41
+MrHairgrease	are you converted to the new dev list yet?	18:41
+MrHairgrease	if so	18:42
+MrHairgrease	how do you like it	18:42
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jiggie	hey people	22:01
jiggie	i got most of webgui installed execpt errors with perl modules	22:01
jiggie	can anyone help	22:02
jiggie	The perl module HTML::Parser is outdated,	22:02
snapcoun1	are you doing this on your own or using wre	22:24
snapcoun1	either way, make sure the correct perl (the one webgui uses) is in your path	22:25
snapcoun1	and do $>perl -MCPAN -e install	22:25
snapcoun1	install HTML::Parser	22:25
snapcoun1	it should update it if there is a newer version	22:25
snapcoun1	oops	22:25
snapcoun1	perl -MCPAN -e shell	22:25
snapcoun1	sorry	22:26
xdanger	or perl -MCPAN -e 'install HTML::Parser'	22:26
snapcoun1	rinse and repeat for any other modules you need to update	22:26
snapcoun1	if you're using wre and they are out of date/missing you are either using the wrong version of wre or there is a bug and you should report it	22:27
jiggie	ok going for that	22:29
jiggie	i just downloaded from source	22:29
jiggie	to follow the instructions on the site	22:29
jiggie	they seem to be easier now to read after 1 week of a break from it	22:29
jiggie	so when will you guys re-do the installation instructions	22:31
jiggie	waiting for an install to finish from cpan	22:31
jiggie	ok did that	22:41
jiggie	now missing some pod, and installing it	22:41
jiggie	it always does this Warning: prerequisite IO::Zlib 1.01 not found	22:42
jiggie	whats that	22:42
jiggie	is there a command to install all the modules it needs + dependencies	22:55
jiggie	Checking for module Archive::Tar: Install of Archive::Tar failed!	22:55
jiggie	crap again	22:55
jiggie	too many errors and it fails	23:02
jiggie	pg: Can't check signature: public key not found	23:03
jiggie	==> BAD/TAMPERED signature detected! <==	23:03
jiggie	t/0signature....FAILED test 1	23:03
+crythias	why aren't you using your distro's perl-Archive-Tar?	23:07
jiggie	redhat	23:07
+crythias	what?	23:07
jiggie	i'm using redhat ES 4	23:07
jiggie	can you show me how to get that perl working	23:08
+crythias	yes.	23:08
jiggie	i'm all ears	23:09
+crythias	soon as I find where the redhat rpms are	23:09
+crythias	x86?	23:10
jiggie	i took this system and it has been ok until the perl testEn.......	23:10
+crythias	i386?	23:10
jiggie	yeah	23:11
+crythias	which of these makes sense?	23:11
+crythias	ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/	23:11
+crythias	nm	23:11
+crythias	they're all source.	23:11
jiggie	let me check	23:12
+crythias	http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-Archive-Tar	23:13
+crythias	but I wouldn't begin to know which (FC5?) would be useable on RHES4	23:14
+crythias	if you've set up yum(?) repo, you should be able to yum install it	23:14
+crythias	apologies. I am not familiar with which package manager is the recommended for RHES	23:15
jiggie	let me check... which one is better	23:15
jiggie	on the first one nothing	23:17
jiggie	ok downlaoded the file	23:21
jiggie	and doing rpm -ivh filename but it does not install	23:21
jiggie	perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm	23:21
jiggie	.done	23:22
jiggie	rpm -ivh perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm	23:22
jiggie	works	23:23
jiggie	now what	23:23
+crythias	continue the other	23:23
jiggie	the procedure i had b4	23:23
jiggie	it was pert testEnv.......	23:24
+crythias	perl testEnvironment	23:24
jiggie	The perl module IO::Zlib is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y\|n} [y]	23:24
+crythias	yes. but if you can use your el4 modules, do it instead of cpan	23:24
jiggie	i suppose y right	23:24
jiggie	el4 modules	23:24
jiggie	how do i do that	23:24
+crythias	el4.rf.noarch.rpm	23:24
jiggie	so i have to look for that and install it	23:25
+crythias	perl-IO-Zlib	23:25
+crythias	or try to watch cpan do it. MY preference is to use the OS's packages as much as possible.	23:25
jiggie	searched and found it	23:26
jiggie	he perl module Tie::IxHash is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y\|n} [y]	23:26
jiggie	lol	23:26
jiggie	so i should keep doing this untill all are satisfied	23:26
+crythias	IMO, yes.	23:26
+crythias	it's what I've done.	23:27
jiggie	so redhat 4 is not so easy, missing lots of stuff	23:28
+crythias	most apps are	23:28
+crythias	WebGUI relies on a lot of otherwise optional stuff	23:29
jiggie	after i understand this very good, gonna make a dummy version of how to	23:29
jiggie	what you need to look for and everything	23:29
+crythias	sure	23:29
jiggie	is there a package with all of them	23:33
+crythias	well. the wre tries	23:34
jiggie	all those files are there	23:34
jiggie	can i just downlaode the wre and copy the files	23:35
+crythias	they compile for the os	23:35
+crythias	the happy thing? you only have to install once :) and you get upgrade-ability if you use your OS's packager.	23:36
jiggie	error: Failed dependencies:	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP) >= 1.0 is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Client) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Connection) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Debug) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::IQ) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::JID) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Message) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Namespaces) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Presence) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	perl(Net::XMPP::Stanza) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:36
jiggie	crazy	23:36
jiggie	so how can i do that	23:37
jiggie	what you say	23:37
+crythias	perl-Net-Jabber is required?	23:37
jiggie	yep	23:37
+crythias	which webgui?	23:37
jiggie	Failed dependencies:	23:37
jiggie	perl(Net::Jabber) >= 1.0021 is needed by perl-SOAP-Lite-0.67-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:37
jiggie	latest gamma	23:38
jiggie	stable	23:38
jiggie	6.8	23:38
+crythias	Jabber bc of SOAP-Lite	23:38
+crythias	ok. perl-Net-XMMP?	23:38
jiggie	lost m,e there buddy	23:38
+crythias	Jabber is a dependency of SOAP-Lite, which is required by WG. That's what threw me.	23:39
jiggie	so whats next'	23:39
+crythias	get the perl-Net-XMMP	23:39
jiggie	searching	23:40
+crythias	xmpp	23:40
+crythias	http://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/dag/dries/packages/perl-Net-XMPP/el4-i386/perl-Net-XMPP-1.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm	23:40
jiggie	erl(IO::Socket::SSL) is needed by perl-Net-Lite-XMMP-0.02-1.2.el4.rf.noarch	23:42
jiggie	just 1	23:42
jiggie	good	23:42
jiggie	still looking for more packages	23:44
+crythias	http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-IO-Socket-SSL&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=	23:46
+crythias	http://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el4/i386/perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.96-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.html	23:47
jiggie	:perl-Net-XMPP is installed	23:47
jiggie	soap lite is needed	23:48
jiggie	and that needs jabber	23:48
+crythias	ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm	23:49
jiggie	done those two	23:49
jiggie	lol	23:49
jiggie	now datetime	23:49
jiggie	thanks for the help	23:49
+crythias	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm	23:50
+crythias	now, if you package all these rpms in a nice big bundle, :)	23:50
jiggie	lol	23:50
+crythias	next?	23:51
jiggie	now it needs erl(DateTime::Locale) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386	23:51
jiggie	perl(DateTime::TimeZone) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386	23:51
jiggie	perl(Params::Validate) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i386	23:51
jiggie	lol	23:51
+crythias	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-Locale-0.22-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm	23:51
+crythias	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-0.46-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm	23:52
+crythias	ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Params-Validate-0.84-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm	23:52
jiggie	still lots more	23:53
jiggie	crap	23:53
jiggie	not so easy afterall	23:53
+crythias	doesn't RPM have some get dependencies flag?	23:53
jiggie	will check	23:54
* crythias is loving hist FreeBSD more and more each day.		23:54
jiggie	lol	23:56
jiggie	rpm -i software-2.3.4.rpm --nodeps but that just ignores dependesies	23:56
+crythias	I gotta go. you have a source to look them up, though. hint: you might put i386 in the architecture box to narrow your searches.	23:57
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jiggie	i dont see a command to download the dependent files	00:01
jiggie	thanks	00:01
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dorel__	hey	11:19
Radix-wrk	hiya	11:19
dorel__	whats webgui? :P	11:30
Radix-wrk	www.plainblack.com/webgui	11:34
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dorel__	cool	12:18
dorel__	does webgui have templates and such?	12:18
xdanger	of course...	12:21
xdanger	it has everything =)	12:21
xdanger	well almost	12:21
xdanger	try out: demo.plainblack.com	12:21
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xdanger	chansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request to actually get the file.	15:36
xdanger	do you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?	15:36
jiggie	brb	15:59
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jiggie	sup people	16:19
jiggie	having this problem httpd failed. The error was: Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 191 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:	16:19
jiggie	Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	16:19
jiggie	[FAILED]	16:19
jiggie	anyone	16:19
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+crythias	snapcoun1	17:16
snapcoun1	yes	17:16
+crythias	you sen matt?	17:16
+crythias	seen	17:16
snapcoun1	priv message	17:17
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+crythias	ack. your theme killed	17:24
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+crythias	pango is crashing	17:25
+crythias	don't know what it means but your theme kills gaim	17:25
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Dforge	Hello, I'm trying to move a webgui 5.5.8 site to a new host and I'm getting a error when trying to edit the content of a page. "[Thu Jun 08 12:29:46 2006] [error] 3027: ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"	21:45
Dforge	The host is running Centos 3.7 (RHEL 3.0)	21:46
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xdanger	snapcoun1: are you here?	02:42
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DforgeH	YHello	02:55
DforgeH	I need some help with the error "ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"	03:06
DforgeH	It looks like return $session{cgi}->header.. is null	03:19
DforgeH	', endDate='2082801600', title='What is EntConnect?', groupIdView='7', startDate='946728000', ownerId='3', lastEdited=1149791572, editedBy=27 where wobjectId=1 : Unknown column 'templateId' in 'field list'	03:37
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snapcoun1	someone rang	03:51
snapcoun1	xdanger: ping	03:51
DforgeH	hello	03:54
xdanger	snapcoun1: just wondering that is there any point in reporting 6.8 bugs?	04:06
xdanger	And just got a very strange situation on my 6.8...	04:07
Radix-wrk	navigation stuff not appearing for some users?	04:08
xdanger	the db reverted to a fresh one, on it's one...	04:08
xdanger	no, a formhelper operation bug	04:08
xdanger	or a typo	04:08
Radix-wrk	ahh.. oh well.. was hoping for more reports of the bug I've encountered :)	04:08
xdanger	what's that?	04:09
Radix-wrk	http://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/navigation-issues	04:09
xdanger	your bug I mean...	04:09
Radix-wrk	Just submitted it then - been frantically looking at our setup the last few days, but another user reported it on the forums - so I've determined it's not just us affected	04:10
xdanger	is this on 6.8.10 ?	04:12
Radix-wrk	yeah	04:12
xdanger	nice...	04:12
xdanger	if it really happened on it's own...	04:12
Radix-wrk	got users who can't see the areas they should be able to, and employees who can't see the navigation tree at all for our intranet	04:12
xdanger	maybe some custom template was placed in the trash, after expiring..	04:13
xdanger	I had that problem	04:13
snapcoun1	xdanger: depends	04:13
Radix-wrk	I can't delete the trash on this setup	04:13
snapcoun1	if they still exist in 6.99	04:13
snapcoun1	then yes	04:13
xdanger	snapcoun1: nope... this was in the browse for asset form function helper operation =)	04:14
xdanger	that has changed totally in 6.99	04:14
Radix-wrk	if I use runhourly to delete trash then the whole site goes crazy.. random stuff gets deleted	04:14
snapcoun1	JT plans on 7 being stable on 7/1	04:14
xdanger	You propably have the same problem that I did... content expiring..	04:15
snapcoun1	so I doubt there will be another 6.x release	04:15
Radix-wrk	fingers crossed :)	04:15
Radix-wrk	xdanger: any fix for that that I can test then?	04:15
xdanger	in some 6.x version the content created it had a default of 1year of expiretime	04:15
xdanger	edit brach the whole site and set the endDate to 2036 =)	04:16
xdanger	dont test in production server =)	04:16
Radix-wrk	Hmm.. might try it on a virtual machine setup then to test it out	04:16
snapcoun1	or at the very least back the db up first	04:16
Radix-wrk	yeah.. got virtualpc running a clone of our setup - it's great for testing	04:17
xdanger	snapcoun1: and jfyi:	04:17
xdanger	15:36 < xdanger> chansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request to actually get the file.	04:17
xdanger	15:36 < xdanger> do you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?	04:17
DforgeH	Hrm... for some reason the sql database process to get my site to 5.5.8 (Before getting it to 6) didn't add the templateId field for wobject.	04:17
xdanger	the sendfile method isn't that slow after all..	04:17
snapcoun1	that's cool	04:18
xdanger	just don't have enough time to do proper testing	04:18
DforgeH	Hrm... It's missing the templateID column	04:19
snapcoun1	are you following the upgrade path in gotcha.txt	04:20
DforgeH	I'm picking up the peices from someone else	04:21
snapcoun1	you can't go from 5 straight to 6.8	04:21
DforgeH	let me check	04:21
DforgeH	I know, I'm trying to go to 5.5.8 first	04:21
snapcoun1	oh ok	04:21
xdanger	snapcoun1: but I'm really worried about the db of one of my sites reverting to a clean one (askin for a new admin & company info)	04:21
snapcoun1	common mistake so I thought I'd throw it out there =)	04:21
DforgeH	:) I appreciate it.	04:21
DforgeH	It's working... mostly...	04:21
DforgeH	editing fails.	04:21
snapcoun1	xdanger: what?!	04:21
snapcoun1	the whole db?	04:22
DforgeH	YAY!	04:22
DforgeH	Worked	04:22
snapcoun1	or it is showing you the config screen?	04:22
snapcoun1	big diff	04:22
snapcoun1	are you saying that all of your content disappeared and was replaced by the wG default content?	04:23
DforgeH	Just grepped through the upgrade scripts and found the missing table alter step.	04:23
xdanger	I earlier today installed a new site on my webgui server, did some snippeds and remover the default content and was setting a new "home" and "file not found" pages, and after that the deleted content was back, and the new content gone..	04:23
snapcoun1	do you have pending version tags?	04:24
xdanger	nope	04:24
snapcoun1	did you commit your changes I mean?	04:24
xdanger	clean there also	04:24
xdanger	auto commit on	04:24
snapcoun1	wow	04:24
snapcoun1	this is in 6.8.10?	04:24
xdanger	the bug that I discovered reletes to setting the home/filenotfound pages, we'll the form..	04:25
xdanger	return _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset',$output));	04:25
xdanger	should be return _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset'),$output);	04:25
xdanger	in Operation/FormHelpers.pm	04:25
xdanger	yep...	04:25
xdanger	6.8.10	04:25
snapcoun1	yeah... extra ) will fsck stuff real nice	04:26
snapcoun1	misplaced rather	04:26
snapcoun1	I did that the other day and it took me an hour to figure out wth was going on	04:26
snapcoun1	no syntax error so it was fun	04:26
xdanger	that wasn't easy to find also..	04:27
snapcoun1	those are some of the hardest	04:27
snapcoun1	b/c you read what should be there in your mind	04:27
snapcoun1	kind of like placing missing words in a sentence as you read	04:27
xdanger	that tryies to run the whole output as a parameter to i18n =P	04:27
snapcoun1	nice	04:28
xdanger	some nasty error in logs =)	04:28
snapcoun1	I bet	04:28
xdanger	::I18N->{'choose an asset'}{message} because syntax error at (eval 1869) line 1, near "$WebGUI::i18n::English::pa href"	04:28
xdanger	that was the one that guided me to the right place..	04:28
xdanger	I'm just amazed that no one has bumped into this before	04:29
xdanger	cuz the whole form of browsing the asset tree in popup isn't workin..	04:29
snapcoun1	it's surprising what gets missed	04:30
snapcoun1	try saving some settings in a 7.x site for example =)	04:30
xdanger	also, later.. I savet the setting (changin the home&404 pages again) I get asket for admin & company info again..	04:31
xdanger	but this time my info was in them..	04:31
xdanger	I'm just worried that some user might reset my admin password =/	04:32
xdanger	But, waiting on 7.0 =)	04:35
xdanger	now some sleep...	04:36
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Rad	xdanger: you said that it might be content expiring and to set the endDate - where is that stored in the database if I wanted to change it?	05:26
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Rad	Ahh.. in assetData it looks like	05:27
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Rad	yeah, half the Import Node hierarchy is set to end on 2005	05:39
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+perlDreamer	will the real snapoun* please stand up?	05:45
snapcoun2	hello	06:28
snapcoun2	been fighting w/ BrightHouse	06:28
snapcoun2	I'm loosing	06:28
+perlDreamer	what is BrightHouse?	06:28
snapcoun2	ISP	06:28
+perlDreamer	oy	06:29
snapcoun2	owned by Time Warner	06:29
+perlDreamer	is there a #webgui on EFNet?	06:29
snapcoun2	well, there should be	06:29
snapcoun2	actually what the brighthouse problem is	06:29
snapcoun2	I have two cable modems	06:29
snapcoun2	and hence	06:29
snapcoun2	two public ip addresses	06:29
snapcoun2	one of them is not getting an ip	06:29
snapcoun2	and the 'technicians' are highly confused that two cable modems exist in one residence	06:30
+perlDreamer	snapcoun2: needs more bandwidth	06:30
snapcoun2	I actually want to play with that	06:30
snapcoun2	one more nic in my linux gateway machine and some iptables magic	06:31
snapcoun2	maybe I can get 15Mbps	06:31
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@snapcount	so did you check out my Survey fix	06:32
+perlDreamer	I read it, and it looks better	06:32
+perlDreamer	but I don't think there are any translations of it yet	06:32
+perlDreamer	so I can't test it	06:32
@snapcount	so you feel all warm and fuzzy now =P	06:32
@snapcount	I am actually a little nervous about it	06:33
+perlDreamer	oh yes	06:33
+perlDreamer	eeek! kittens!	06:33
@snapcount	I might have to face The Godfather's rath	06:33
@snapcount	wrath	06:33
+perlDreamer	His rath might be easier	06:34
+perlDreamer	to face	06:34
@snapcount	my fix altered the db schema	06:34
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+perlDreamer	you fixed a bug	06:34
@snapcount	which !compatible	06:34
@snapcount	it breaks compatibility though	06:34
+perlDreamer	there's an upgrade script to handle it	06:34
@snapcount	that's true	06:35
@snapcount	duh	06:35
@snapcount	wth am I thinking	06:35
@snapcount	it's not like the schema can never change	06:35
* perlDreamer and snappy are too hard on ourselves		06:35
@snapcount	I have gotten pretty good with ldap over the past couple days	06:35
@snapcount	I'm happy about that	06:35
+perlDreamer	really?	06:35
@snapcount	yeah	06:36
@snapcount	I cleaned up a lot of the Auth/LDAP code	06:36
+perlDreamer	Do you know how to suck out all the users in a given LDAP group?	06:36
@snapcount	yep	06:36
+perlDreamer	Want to make JT's day?	06:36
* snapcount hesitates =)		06:36
+perlDreamer	snapcount is hard on himself, but very wise ;)	06:37
+perlDreamer	here's the deal	06:37
+perlDreamer	I couldn't finish the great isInGroup work of 2006 because I don't know LDAP	06:37
+perlDreamer	we need a Group method to slurp all the users from an LDAP group	06:37
@snapcount	hmm	06:38
+perlDreamer	just like getDatabaseUsers et. al.	06:38
+perlDreamer	and, of course, it needs a set of tests	06:38
@snapcount	the problem is that it has to be configurable	06:38
@snapcount	the ldap part is easy	06:38
+perlDreamer	configurable how?	06:38
@snapcount	you build a search using a dn (starting point) and you need a filter to get the users you want	06:38
@snapcount	well, all groups would use the same base dn	06:39
@snapcount	that comes from the ldap connection in settings	06:39
@snapcount	the trick is the filter	06:39
@snapcount	I guess it could work like the RDN stuff	06:39
@snapcount	you need to be able to define the groupId attribute	06:40
@snapcount	is this making sense	06:40
@snapcount	?	06:40
+perlDreamer	kind of	06:40
@snapcount	I think I'm rambling	06:40
@snapcount	let's try a diff way	06:40
+perlDreamer	isn't there a group field to hold that kind of stuff already?	06:40
@snapcount	I need to build this:	06:40
@snapcount	actually	06:40
@snapcount	damn	06:41
@snapcount	you need two settings	06:41
+perlDreamer	condemning things to eternal flame	06:41
+perlDreamer	2 settings?	06:42
@snapcount	a base dn setting (for groupingroup) and a filter setting	06:42
+perlDreamer	do you need two settings in 6.8 to do the same thing?	06:42
@snapcount	does 6.8 do this already?	06:42
+perlDreamer	yes	06:43
@snapcount	really	06:43
@snapcount	I wonder how Frank did it and if it's as flexible as my idea	06:43
+perlDreamer	have a look at User.pm, line 282 in SVN head	06:43
+perlDreamer	now, that code checks that a particular user is in an LDAP group by some property.	06:44
+perlDreamer	what needs to be done is to slurp out _all_ users with that property	06:44
+perlDreamer	which should be the filter you're talking about	06:44
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+perlDreamer	Radix-wrk makes like an unlemming and implodes?	06:46
@snapcount	it's the combination of the two	06:46
@snapcount	an ldap dir is a tree structure	06:47
@snapcount	base dn is where to start	06:47
@snapcount	filter is like pruning from there down	06:47
Radix-wrk	yup.. I implode	06:47
@snapcount	to get all of them all we have to do	06:48
@snapcount	is tell it to start at the top of the tree	06:48
@snapcount	or base (if you consider it an upside down tree)	06:48
@snapcount	hence 'base dn' =)	06:48
@snapcount	so, let me look at the code again to put my ldif where my mouth is	06:49
+perlDreamer	$ldapLink->recurseProperty($group->get("ldapGroup"),$people,$group->get("ldapGroupProperty"),$group->get("ldapRecursiveProperty"));	06:49
+perlDreamer	that sounds like what you're talking about	06:49
+perlDreamer	;)	06:50
@snapcount	looks like this method will do what you want	06:53
+perlDreamer	really?	06:54
+perlDreamer	cool	06:54
+perlDreamer	that just leaves testing then	06:54
+perlDreamer	is there any way to set up a small LDAP server via a perl module?	06:54
@snapcount	not that I'm aware	06:55
@snapcount	you could write the test though	06:55
@snapcount	and let the user set env vars to actually run it	06:55
@snapcount	(pointing to an ldap server)	06:55
@snapcount	but it's schema dependant	06:55
@snapcount	so that might be hard	06:55
+perlDreamer	yeah	06:55
@snapcount	you could include a sample schema and tell them to load it I suppose	06:56
@snapcount	there is a limitation in this method however	06:57
+perlDreamer	oh?	06:57
@snapcount	it will start dropping group members	06:57
@snapcount	starting with number 100	06:57
@snapcount	there is a failsafe to prevent infinite recursion	06:57
@snapcount	it needs to be over-rideable	06:57
@snapcount	from the method call	06:58
+perlDreamer	so that you could have a bunch of LDAP users	06:58
@snapcount	for this you'd probably want to pass a -1 and disable that check	06:58
+perlDreamer	you'd still like to disable infinite recursion	06:58
@snapcount	well, it's kind of silly	06:59
+perlDreamer	but it should be settable, either in the Group or LDAP setups	06:59
@snapcount	it can't happen that I can see	06:59
@snapcount	I mean it's running a search on the ldap server using Net::LDAP	06:59
@snapcount	the number of itterations == number search results	06:59
+perlDreamer	sounds like a bug needs to be submitted	07:00
+perlDreamer	but it must not be a big thing among current LDAP users, otherwise they'd have found it by now	07:00
@snapcount	I need to study this	07:03
+perlDreamer	okay	07:04
@snapcount	I can do it tommorow	07:04
+perlDreamer	When you're done, close the bug for it on the board.	07:04
+perlDreamer	That will make JT's day	07:04
+perlDreamer	In the meantime, I'll keep hacking template variables	07:04
@snapcount	do you think you could make a 6.99.3 site with a survey that has a few sections	07:05
@snapcount	then upgrade it	07:05
@snapcount	to make sure my upgrade sub works	07:05
+perlDreamer	I can do that	07:05
+perlDreamer	I think ;)	07:05
@snapcount	it's the only thing I didn't test	07:05
@snapcount	all the upgrade does is find the sectionId of the section named "none" and store it in the Survey table as defaultSectionId	07:06
@snapcount	pretty simple but rather be safe	07:06
+perlDreamer	is there a schedule for .4 yet?	07:10
+perlDreamer	I mean 6.99.4?	07:11
+perlDreamer	Here's what I got:	07:17
+perlDreamer	DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'where clause' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 122.	07:17
+perlDreamer	snapcount: I think I can fix this, do you want me to?	07:20
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+perlDreamer	snapcount: you're getting schizo	07:21
+perlDreamer	either that, or I need new glasses	07:21
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+perlDreamer	snapcoun1: did you get any of the last several messages?	07:22
+perlDreamer	snapcoun1: ping	07:39
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Radix-wrk	Have a good weekend everyone.. I'm outta here :)	11:07
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chansen	xdanger: sorry, was AFK	14:25
chansen	xdanger: not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?	14:25
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walaki	hi folks	15:17
walaki	how can I log out a user after a he submits a form?	15:19
walaki	could somebody help me with this, please?	15:19
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walaki	anybody here?	21:01
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walaki	everybody's partying?	02:08
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walaki	hi Radix-wrk	04:38
Radix-wrk	mornin'	04:42
walaki	it depends where you live (o:, it's 3:47 am here	04:47
walaki	son I can call it morning	04:47
walaki	could you help me, please?	04:48
walaki	how can I log out a user after a he submits a form?	04:48
Radix-wrk	send him to the url "?op=auth;method=logout" once he's submitted it.	05:12
walaki	$self->getUrl('func=op=auth;method=logout');	05:27
walaki	this is the url, right?	05:27
walaki	but how can I send him?	05:28
Radix-wrk	I don't know :( I don't use the webgui form handler much myself - and use another one that we've used for years to do our form processing called bformmail.	05:40
walaki	tx	06:06
walaki	any idea?I just need to log out the user, after the form data has been saved	06:06
walaki	reason is not to allow him to press the back button and screw things up	06:07
walaki	it is good or even in the from souce code or anything	06:08
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walaki	hello	17:14
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walaki	hello	17:58
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Jiggie	hey guis	23:21
Jiggie	guys	23:21
Jiggie	i'm deperate to try to get this webgui working	23:21
Jiggie	running fedora core 5	23:21
Jiggie	apache2 perl module error	23:21
Jiggie	needs libapr	23:22
walaki	hey	23:30
walaki	although I can't help you it is good to see someone here	23:31
walaki	the gurus are not paying attention here, I am waiting for them also, and I am waiting for sooooo long	23:34
walaki	you want to install from source or the WRE?	23:35
Jiggie	source	23:42
Jiggie	using fc 5	23:42
Jiggie	its just one dependency over another	23:42
Jiggie	these people should inclued all this crap on the download	23:42
Jiggie	walaki so where are you stuck	23:43
walaki	I am not installing it, I make code modifications to the survey modul to mak	23:44
walaki	to the survey modul's quiz mode, to make it point based, instead of correct/wrong answer based	23:46
walaki	I'm using old stable under a virtual machine with win2k	23:46
Jiggie	ohh	23:46
walaki	windows-zip-n-go worked lin a minute or so	23:47
Jiggie	i gopt it running under windows	23:47
Jiggie	thats easy	23:47
Jiggie	linux is the problem	23:47
walaki	there is a WRE for linux, it's like the zip-n-go under win, but I haven't tried it	23:47
Jiggie	i know	23:48
Jiggie	but source you learn from building it	23:48
walaki	but it's very possible, that you need additional perl modules from cpan	23:48
Jiggie	wre is just too window slike	23:48
Jiggie	yep thats the problem	23:48
Jiggie	its building some and some does not work	23:48
Jiggie	weird	23:48
Jiggie	why can they just have 1 module with everything included	23:48
walaki	there's reason I suppose (o:	23:49
walaki	are you in cms biz?	23:49
Jiggie	nope	23:50
Jiggie	but the company i started to work for has the intranet and website made with this perl stuff	23:51
Jiggie	and now they want me to upgrade from a very old version to the new one they purchase	23:51
walaki	which new one? the stable is not here yet!	23:55
Jiggie	6.8	23:58
Jiggie	the old version is 6.2	23:58
Jiggie	i think	23:58
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Jiggie	bb tomorrow	00:04
walaki	that's not so old	00:06
walaki	I think I would wait for the new stable, it's really close	00:07
walaki	which time zone are you?	00:08
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walaki	silence of the octopuses?	13:07
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xdanger	martin, what's the weather like in holland?	14:31
+MrHairgrease	30 degrees or so	14:32
+MrHairgrease	www.knmi.nl	14:32
xdanger	here it's only 25 or something like that	14:32
xdanger	but this is our first summer in our new office, and I have to say that things are going to be warm this summer...	14:33
+MrHairgrease	that's pretty hot for finland right?	14:33
xdanger	our summer isn't as cold as the winter ;)	14:34
+MrHairgrease	our office is also 'cooled' by open windows.	14:34
xdanger	it's normally around 20 degrees...	14:34
xdanger	http://www.fmi.fi/	14:34
xdanger	just would like to go to the beach and drink some beer or cider =)	14:36
* MrHairgrease sips from his coffee		14:36
xdanger	a question... How have you (if you have) done multi-lingual sites?	14:37
xdanger	a different root or a different webgui for different languages?	14:37
+MrHairgrease	yes	14:41
+MrHairgrease	and use apache rewrite rules to redirect	14:41
+MrHairgrease	so	14:41
+MrHairgrease	rewrite mycompany.com -> mycompany.com/en	14:42
+MrHairgrease	mycompany.nl -> mycompany.nl/nl	14:42
+MrHairgrease	however	14:42
+MrHairgrease	rewriterules used to fuck up in 6.8	14:42
+MrHairgrease	I dunno if that's still the case	14:43
xdanger	so different root, or different webgui? :)	14:43
+MrHairgrease	it has to do with the fact that the wg handler is in an earlier apachecyclestage that the mod_rwrite handler	14:43
+MrHairgrease	so the uri is fetched before it is rewritten	14:43
+MrHairgrease	and wg doesn't take it into account	14:44
+MrHairgrease	different root	14:44
+MrHairgrease	same webgui	14:44
xdanger	we'll I can do that with mod_proxy..	14:44
+MrHairgrease	prolly yes	14:44
+MrHairgrease	let me know how it works out	14:44
xdanger	I was thinking of using a different webgui, that way I get the right language 404 page, and errors..	14:45
xdanger	since there isn't a "language" column in assets =)	14:45
+MrHairgrease	yeah	14:45
xdanger	(and that would be a great idea ;))	14:45
+MrHairgrease	but you also have to duplicate collateral users groups	14:45
+MrHairgrease	etc	14:45
+MrHairgrease	two diffrent webgui instances for the same site is a bad idea imho	14:46
xdanger	That's now a problem, since there is something like 4 admins that have to be in the both..	14:46
+MrHairgrease	language fields in the assettree have a lot of impact	14:47
xdanger	how would JT react to a request for a langeuge info for an asset? =)	14:47
+MrHairgrease	it's noteasy as you would think at first	14:47
xdanger	I know	14:47
+MrHairgrease	you can do that	14:47
+MrHairgrease	but I think I know his answer =)	14:47
xdanger	I think this was talked about in the dev-list few years ago =(	14:47
xdanger	But since wg is much more modular these days, it could be done more easily	14:48
+MrHairgrease	yeah	14:49
+MrHairgrease	but it is still very difficult	14:49
xdanger	maybe override something in session =)	14:49
+MrHairgrease	especially since we have versioning now	14:49
xdanger	based on the assets language	14:49
xdanger	that too...	14:50
xdanger	Hmm.. I'll have to do some research about this =P	14:52
Jiggie	ok back	16:14
Jiggie	morning people	16:15
+MrHairgrease	hi	16:15
+MrHairgrease	good afternoon	16:16
Jiggie	its 9 am	16:16
+MrHairgrease	no it's 3pm	16:16
+MrHairgrease	you must be confused =)	16:16
Jiggie	lo	16:17
Jiggie	time	16:17
Jiggie	NY time	16:17
Jiggie	where can i download wrebuild-x.x.x-prereqs.tar.gz	16:18
+MrHairgrease	sf.net?	16:18
+MrHairgrease	sf.net/projects/pbwebgui that is	16:18
+MrHairgrease	click on files somewhere on the page	16:18
Jiggie	ok	16:20
Jiggie	i'm giving up installing from source	16:21
Jiggie	too many dependencies with perl	16:21
Jiggie	so gonna install wre on fedora core 5	16:21
xdanger	perl dependencies are not that hard...	16:22
+MrHairgrease	libapreq can suck very hard	16:22
xdanger	we'll that	16:23
xdanger	but the others ;)	16:23
+MrHairgrease	it can be a pain	16:24
+MrHairgrease	however i have done it so often that i can almost dream it	16:24
xdanger	haven't tried...	16:24
+MrHairgrease	bad nightmares =)	16:24
xdanger	what's the catch?	16:24
xdanger	http://ascii-wm.net/	16:24
Jiggie	so why not provide a link to a how to	16:26
Jiggie	cause every time i get one , it dependos on another one	16:26
Jiggie	too much of a hassle	16:26
+MrHairgrease	maybe I'll make an howto some day	16:26
Jiggie	and the cpan crap does not always buiild it cause its miussing some other crap	16:26
+MrHairgrease	but right now I'm too busy	16:26
+MrHairgrease	unfortunately	16:26
Jiggie	someday soon pls	16:26
+MrHairgrease	I might add that we compile a brand new apache/perl/imagemagick/etc for each seperate wg instance we have	16:27
+MrHairgrease	so we do not interact too much with the os	16:28
+MrHairgrease	and the stuff it installs	16:28
+MrHairgrease	only some libs of course	16:28
Jiggie	if i can be of any help	16:29
Jiggie	i have fedora core 5 and rhES 4	16:29
Jiggie	and they both require a shit load of stuff	16:29
+MrHairgrease	I think or servers run gentoo	16:29
Jiggie	now i'm at the apache2 perl module needed	16:29
+MrHairgrease	but I'm not 100% sure	16:29
Jiggie	i updated everything using yum and still	16:30
+MrHairgrease	libapreq?	16:30
+MrHairgrease	ah	16:30
Jiggie	yep	16:30
Jiggie	that needs something to install let me try again	16:30
Jiggie	maybe you can help	16:30
+MrHairgrease	I never tried to do it trhough package management stuff	16:30
+MrHairgrease	so no	16:30
+MrHairgrease	unfortunately	16:30
Jiggie	well i downlaod the perl modules manually and install one by one	16:30
Jiggie	when it ask	16:30
+MrHairgrease	I would try through the wre	16:30
+MrHairgrease	asks what?	16:31
Jiggie	he perl module Apache2::Request	16:31
Jiggie	i need that	16:31
+MrHairgrease	If you compile it by hand you need to pass it some params	16:31
+MrHairgrease	It doesn't work using cpan directly	16:32
+MrHairgrease	it sucks	16:32
Jiggie	here is what i get	16:32
Jiggie	configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check	16:32
Jiggie	how can i fix that	16:32
+MrHairgrease	no idea	16:32
Jiggie	lol	16:32
+MrHairgrease	never saw that error	16:32
+MrHairgrease	have you googled for it?	16:32
Jiggie	this is a fresh install of fedora	16:32
Jiggie	yep	16:32
Jiggie	compiler error	16:32
+MrHairgrease	You might try goin to the ~/.cpan/build/libapreq-etcetcetc	16:36
+MrHairgrease	directory	16:36
+MrHairgrease	then do something like ./configure --help	16:36
+MrHairgrease	and fill in most of the paths to you compiler and stuff	16:37
+MrHairgrease	using the commandline options	16:37
Jiggie	this is what i think i need glibc-devel-2.4-8	16:37
+MrHairgrease	maybe	16:37
+MrHairgrease	I can't tell	16:37
+MrHairgrease	It's a shame but I'm not a system guru =)	16:38
Jiggie	i'm	16:38
Jiggie	an expert on breaking them	16:38
+MrHairgrease	hey, me too!	16:38
Jiggie	we can make tons of money	16:38
Jiggie	glibc-devel-2.4-8.i386.rpm is already installed	16:38
Jiggie	shit	16:39
Jiggie	when i istall it using the rpm manager it says its installed	16:41
Jiggie	when i do it command line it needs glib-headers	16:41
Jiggie	Checking for module Apache2::Request: Not Installed	16:42
Jiggie	crap	16:42
+MrHairgrease	are you sure it needs glib headers?	16:43
+MrHairgrease	it prolly also need mod_perl headers	16:43
+MrHairgrease	apache header files etc	16:43
Jiggie	Please tell me where I can find your apache src	16:43
Jiggie	thats what its asking for now	16:44
Jiggie	lol	16:44
Jiggie	after i installed the lib-headers	16:44
Jiggie	no more compiler error	16:44
Jiggie	its doing a make	16:44
+MrHairgrease	I don't think it needs the source	16:44
+MrHairgrease	only header files	16:44
Jiggie	mod_perl-1.29	16:44
Jiggie	it seems to be working now	16:45
Jiggie	wohoo	16:45
Jiggie	doing some giverish stuff	16:45
+MrHairgrease	do not install mod[perl 1.29 !!!!	16:45
+MrHairgrease	you need m_p 2	16:45
+MrHairgrease	you should specify --with-apxs=/my/apache/bin/apxs	16:46
Jiggie	where can i ge mod perl 2	16:50
Jiggie	i'm very tired of looking around	16:50
+MrHairgrease	you need a package like apache-mod-perl-2.x	16:50
+MrHairgrease	dunno what the rpm is called in fedora	16:50
+MrHairgrease	just search for mod_perl	16:51
+MrHairgrease	or mod-perl	16:51
+MrHairgrease	or apache perl	16:51
+MrHairgrease	or something else =)	16:51
Jiggie	ok	16:52
Jiggie	Name : mod_perl	16:57
Jiggie	Version : 2.0.2 Vendor : Red Hat, Inc_	16:57
Jiggie	Release : 5.1	16:57
+MrHairgrease	that's the one	16:57
+MrHairgrease	now you might be able to install libapreq trhough yum	16:57
Jiggie	mod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is already installed	17:02
Jiggie	weird	17:02
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:02
Jiggie	how do i do it using yum	17:02
Jiggie	just to make sure	17:02
Jiggie	error: package mod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is not installed	17:04
Jiggie	lol	17:04
Jiggie	if i didnt hate windows	17:04
Jiggie	i would love it by now	17:04
+MrHairgrease	ha	17:04
Jiggie	all these linix crap	17:04
Jiggie	i miss my mac	17:04
+MrHairgrease	try installing it on windows	17:04
Jiggie	it works on windows	17:04
+MrHairgrease	that'll keep you busy for a looooong time	17:05
Jiggie	but i cant export the database to windows from linux	17:05
+MrHairgrease	really?	17:05
+MrHairgrease	why not?	17:05
Jiggie	dunno	17:05
Jiggie	thats what somebody here said	17:05
Jiggie	cause i had it owrking on windows	17:05
Jiggie	but then i told them the versions that i had and they said it would not work	17:05
Jiggie	because its too old	17:05
+MrHairgrease	well	17:06
+MrHairgrease	I'm not 100% sure	17:06
+MrHairgrease	but if you dump the db using mysqldump	17:06
+MrHairgrease	and insert it into your linux mysql	17:06
+MrHairgrease	using the mysql command	17:06
+MrHairgrease	i reckon it'll work	17:06
Jiggie	it should work	17:06
+MrHairgrease	yeah	17:06
Jiggie	not to worry	17:06
Jiggie	its gonna work on linux	17:07
Jiggie	it has too	17:07
Jiggie	also i'm learning this way	17:07
+MrHairgrease	heh	17:08
Jiggie	the windows way i didnt learn shit	17:08
+MrHairgrease	the glass is half full right?	17:08
+MrHairgrease	that's true	17:08
Jiggie	or half empty	17:10
Jiggie	APACHE_SRC	17:38
Jiggie	where is that	17:38
+MrHairgrease	that's an env variable right?	17:38
+MrHairgrease	you shouldn't need that	17:39
+MrHairgrease	did you install the mod_perl and apache header files?	17:39
Jiggie	mod perl is installed	17:39
Jiggie	apache header will check	17:40
+MrHairgrease	also	17:42
+MrHairgrease	try lib apache request through yum again	17:42
+MrHairgrease	it'll prolly save you trouble	17:42
+MrHairgrease	I dunno how well prcompiled apache/mod_perl goes together with manually libapreq2	17:43
Jiggie	so do a yum search apache request	17:46
Jiggie	or what	17:46
+MrHairgrease	somthing like it	17:48
Jiggie	Missing Dependency: multiarch-utils is needed by package apache2-devel	17:49
Jiggie	Missing Dependency: perl-base is needed by package apache2-devel	17:49
Jiggie	Missing Dependency: autoconf2.5 is needed by package apache2-devel	17:49
Jiggie	Missing Dependency: automake1.7 is needed by package apache2-devel	17:49
Jiggie	lol	17:49
+MrHairgrease	=)	17:50
+MrHairgrease	linux: even more fun with a beer =)	17:50
Jiggie	i'm at work	17:51
Jiggie	so no beer for me	17:51
Jiggie	i never had problems with linux like this b4	17:51
+MrHairgrease	yeah	17:52
+MrHairgrease	I know the feeling	17:52
Jiggie	installed 2 more dependencies	17:58
Jiggie	lol	17:58
Jiggie	libtool	17:58
Jiggie	lets see now	17:58
Jiggie	1/3): autoconf-2.59-7.no 100% \|=========================\| 641 kB 00:04	17:58
Jiggie	(2/3): automake-1.9.6-2.n 100% \|=========================\| 487 kB 00:03	17:58
Jiggie	(3/3): libtool-1.5.22-2.3 100% \|=========================\| 678 kB 00:05	17:58
Jiggie	where can i find ImageMagick	18:15
+MrHairgrease	package is called something like	18:16
+MrHairgrease	lib-perl-imagamagick	18:16
+MrHairgrease	prolly best to search for magick	18:16
Jiggie	libgvc.so.2	18:31
Jiggie	need that to install imagemagik	18:31
Jiggie	hahaha	18:31
+MrHairgrease	if you say so	18:31
+MrHairgrease	don't you use yum for im?	18:31
Jiggie	i did	18:32
Jiggie	yum does not install image magik	18:32
Jiggie	now libpng12.so	18:33
Jiggie	lol	18:33
Jiggie	is only 1	18:33
+MrHairgrease	heh	18:33
+MrHairgrease	have fun compiling	18:33
+MrHairgrease	don't forget to install freetype	18:33
+MrHairgrease	or you won't be able to have fonts	18:33
+MrHairgrease	which you need for capcha's and the ueber cool graphs	18:34
Jiggie	going to yum extender	18:35
Jiggie	and its updating	18:35
xdanger	MrHairgrease: could you help me with something... just to verify that I'm not stupid...	18:42
xdanger	we'll more stupid that I know..	18:42
xdanger	If you have a navigation which does only include decentants, and you make it relative to root, it ignores the startpoint... thus includin decentant even if thei are "over" the startpoint?	18:43
+MrHairgrease	it should always ignore the startpoint	18:45
+MrHairgrease	if you want to include that select also self	18:45
+MrHairgrease	I guess	18:45
+MrHairgrease	=)	18:45
+MrHairgrease	long time since I really tried it	18:45
+MrHairgrease	I'll email you a presentation of mine about it	18:46
+MrHairgrease	what's your email?	18:46
xdanger	I wan't to ignore them =)	18:47
xdanger	jukka.raimovaara@axxion.fi	18:47
xdanger	I want to have one navigation that doesn't display pages under the home page, which is directly under root..	18:48
xdanger	but it displaye desentants of thous pages when on one of thouse pages =)	18:48
+MrHairgrease	hmm	18:48
+MrHairgrease	starpoint: here	18:49
+MrHairgrease	descendants	18:49
+MrHairgrease	does that work for you	18:49
+MrHairgrease	?	18:49
Jiggie	yum is installing a shitload of crap to satisfy dependencies	18:49
xdanger	yes, but then it'll include the desentants on the home page there...	18:51
xdanger	you'll get the point: http://beta.axxion.fi/home	18:51
+MrHairgrease	I do not understand	18:52
+MrHairgrease	You want this right	18:52
+MrHairgrease	the descendants of the page you're on	18:52
+MrHairgrease	right?	18:52
xdanger	yep, but not on the homepage...	18:54
xdanger	only after /1/2/*	18:55
xdanger	I could do a different style template for the frontpage, but I just thought that the startpoins should work the way I want to	18:56
+MrHairgrease	startpoints can be tricky	18:59
+MrHairgrease	you might try to set the startpoint to /home	18:59
+MrHairgrease	an use descendants	18:59
+MrHairgrease	with an offset of /a/ (+1)	18:59
+MrHairgrease	see the presentation I emailed you	19:00
+MrHairgrease	I contains very nice examples	19:00
xdanger	but again it will include /home/page[1-3]	19:00
xdanger	that's pretty much the opposite efect that I wan't to do =)	19:01
+MrHairgrease	you do not want to include /home/page[1-3]?	19:01
+MrHairgrease	i thought only /home	19:01
+MrHairgrease	in that case set the offset to /a/b/	19:02
xdanger	that doesn't work	19:02
xdanger	desentants setting ignores the startpoint =)	19:02
xdanger	that's what I'm trying to say..	19:02
xdanger	if your on /home I don't want it to include /home/page[1-3]	19:03
xdanger	but when your on /home/page1 I want it to include /home/page1/page[1-3]	19:04
+MrHairgrease	yeah I understand	19:04
+MrHairgrease	a moment	19:04
+MrHairgrease	I'll look it up	19:04
xdanger	I'm not so good in explaining myswlf in english =)	19:04
xdanger	s/mysqlf/myself/	19:04
+MrHairgrease	i know =)	19:06
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:06
+MrHairgrease	what is your start point type?	19:06
xdanger	relative to root	19:10
xdanger	and if I set it to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (+6) it still displaye the sameway	19:10
+MrHairgrease	oh	19:10
+MrHairgrease	set what to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (?	19:11
+MrHairgrease	the descndant end point?	19:11
Jiggie	mod_perl-1.29 do i have to update that in order to run webgui on fc 5	19:12
+MrHairgrease	1.29 is NOT good	19:13
+MrHairgrease	you need two	19:13
Jiggie	thats what cpan uses	19:13
+MrHairgrease	m_p 2 that is	19:13
Jiggie	so how can i upgrade	19:13
+MrHairgrease	do you try to install Apache2::Request?	19:13
Jiggie	and make sure that cpan does not use that	19:13
Jiggie	thats what its doing right now	19:13
Jiggie	and its looking into that pod perl	19:13
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:14
+MrHairgrease	cancel	19:14
Jiggie	suggestions?	19:14
Jiggie	ok then waht	19:14
+MrHairgrease	go to ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache etc	19:14
+MrHairgrease	than do a ./configure --help	19:14
+MrHairgrease	and pass the correct parameters	19:14
+MrHairgrease	you prolly should do something like --with-apache2-apxs=/my/apache/in/apxs	19:15
Jiggie	so i should do that on a terminal..	19:15
Jiggie	just to make sure	19:15
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:15
+MrHairgrease	I you use cpan you must	19:15
Jiggie	?	19:15
+MrHairgrease	you used cpan to install Apache2::Request right?	19:16
Jiggie	yeah	19:16
Jiggie	i ran perl testE..	19:16
Jiggie	and it said apache:: requeste not installed	19:16
Jiggie	and it wanted to install	19:16
Jiggie	so i said yes	19:16
Jiggie	and its going	19:16
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:16
+MrHairgrease	but if it wants to install mod_perl 1.29	19:16
+MrHairgrease	don't let it	19:17
+MrHairgrease	just cancel and do the stuff I just mentioned	19:17
+MrHairgrease	on a terminal	19:17
Jiggie	so i should fix it how exactly	19:17
+MrHairgrease	as root (probably)	19:17
Jiggie	ok	19:17
Jiggie	i'm root	19:17
+MrHairgrease	very good	19:17
Jiggie	and doing cd ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache	19:17
Jiggie	lib-apache not there	19:18
Jiggie	only folders in cpan are build - bundle - histfile - metadata - sources	19:18
Jiggie	what am i missing	19:18
Jiggie	hairgrease ?	19:20
+MrHairgrease	it's called something like libapreq2 or so	19:21
+MrHairgrease	do an ls -l ~/.cpan/build/*	19:21
+MrHairgrease	you should find it	19:21
Jiggie	ok	19:23
Jiggie	no file lib1preq2	19:23
+MrHairgrease	~/.cpan/build/libapreq2-2.07/	19:23
+MrHairgrease	that's what it is at my place	19:24
+MrHairgrease	if it isn't there	19:24
Jiggie	ok in	19:24
+MrHairgrease	found it?	19:24
Jiggie	that directory yes	19:24
+MrHairgrease	ye	19:24
+MrHairgrease	./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"	19:25
+MrHairgrease	now do that	19:25
+MrHairgrease	fill in the correct path to apxs	19:25
+MrHairgrease	and perl	19:25
+MrHairgrease	of course	19:25
Jiggie	ok	19:25
Jiggie	is that default what you gave me	19:25
+MrHairgrease	yeah	19:26
Jiggie	its configuring	19:26
+MrHairgrease	well	19:26
+MrHairgrease	I guess =)	19:26
Jiggie	i dind tknow it was so complicated to get it started	19:26
Jiggie	from fedora core 5	19:26
Jiggie	it does not come with anything	19:26
Jiggie	build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.	19:28
Jiggie	configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)	19:28
Jiggie	no good	19:28
+MrHairgrease	pfff	19:28
Jiggie	so i should remove apache2 and re-install it	19:28
+MrHairgrease	paste your exaxct line	19:29
+MrHairgrease	pls	19:29
Jiggie	yum remove apache2 like so?	19:29
Jiggie	or i can use the extender and remove from there	19:29
Jiggie	build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.	19:30
Jiggie	configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)	19:30
Jiggie	checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no	19:30
Jiggie	./configure: line 19919: -q: command not found	19:30
Jiggie	./configure: line 19933: -q: command not found	19:30
Jiggie	./configure: line 19937: -q: command not found	19:30
Jiggie	./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found	19:30
Jiggie	./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found	19:30
Jiggie	build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.	19:30
Jiggie	configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)	19:30
+MrHairgrease	no	19:30
+MrHairgrease	the ./configure line you typed.	19:31
Jiggie	the same u gave me....	19:31
+MrHairgrease	yeah but did you put in the apxs binary in the --with-apache2-apxs	19:31
+MrHairgrease	?	19:31
Jiggie	[root@intranet2 libapreq2-2.07]# ./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"	19:32
+MrHairgrease	not good	19:32
Jiggie	whats missing	19:32
+MrHairgrease	--with-apache2-apxs=""	19:32
+MrHairgrease	you have to enter the path to the apxs binary	19:32
Jiggie	searching for it now	19:32
Jiggie	usr/bin	19:33
+MrHairgrease	-with-apache2-apxs="/usr/bin/apxs"	19:33
Jiggie	ok	19:34
Jiggie	running	19:34
xdanger	MrHairgrease: I was talking aput the startpoint, so I set that to /a/b/c....	19:34
+MrHairgrease	As far as I can tell it should work	19:36
+MrHairgrease	maybe it's a bug	19:36
+MrHairgrease	you can also try to set start point type to specific url	19:36
+MrHairgrease	and use home as startpoint	19:36
+MrHairgrease	then descendants	19:36
+MrHairgrease	oh wait	19:37
+MrHairgrease	that prolly doesn't work	19:37
+MrHairgrease	b/c it includes /home/page[123]	19:37
xdanger	MrHairgrease: ok, go to a demo, change the main navigation, set the startpoint to a lower point, It changes nothing..	19:44
xdanger	http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1150216930_416/home	19:44
Jiggie	same error	19:45
Jiggie	build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.	19:45
Jiggie	configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)	19:45
+MrHairgrease	Ok	19:46
+MrHairgrease	I don't know anymore	19:46
+MrHairgrease	and I have to go home	19:46
+MrHairgrease	it's about 18:45 here and 30 degrees or so	19:47
* MrHairgrease need... fresh.. air		19:47
+MrHairgrease	succes	19:47
+MrHairgrease	later	19:47
Jiggie	humm	19:48
Jiggie	u going for a smoke	19:48
+MrHairgrease	no	19:48
+MrHairgrease	for a meal	19:48
+MrHairgrease	and a lot of booze	19:48
+MrHairgrease	=)	19:48
+MrHairgrease	bye	19:49
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Jiggie	can u be of help	19:49
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Jiggie	need to reboot	19:51
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@rizen	martin...are you actually here?	17:50
+MrHairgrease	yes	17:50
@rizen	cool	17:50
@rizen	i need you to talk with one of my writers	17:51
@rizen	she's putting together an article on the new features in 7	17:51
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:51
+MrHairgrease	when	17:51
+MrHairgrease	how	17:51
+MrHairgrease	what	17:51
@rizen	right now	17:51
@rizen	i'm getting her an irc client	17:51
+MrHairgrease	how long will it take?	17:51
@rizen	5 minutes once she gets on	17:52
+MrHairgrease	oh	17:52
@rizen	she's downloading a client now	17:52
+MrHairgrease	that's all right	17:52
+MrHairgrease	I'm merging part of the asset tree in one database	17:52
@rizen	it's just a paragraph or two about sql form	17:52
+MrHairgrease	with one in another	17:52
@rizen	whoa	17:52
@rizen	how's that working out for you?	17:53
+MrHairgrease	very tiresome	17:53
+MrHairgrease	I had the script working	17:53
+MrHairgrease	but it did not take inaccount	17:53
+MrHairgrease	the ordering on layouts	17:53
+MrHairgrease	anyway	17:53
+MrHairgrease	I've wasted enough time on it	17:53
+MrHairgrease	oh	17:53
+MrHairgrease	and it can only handle two type of assets	17:53
+MrHairgrease	it ignores the rest	17:54
+MrHairgrease	but that suits my needs	17:54
@rizen	if they're all assets..then you should be able to import them all using the same asset ids	17:54
@rizen	and therefore your layout's won't get foobared	17:54
@rizen	guids are unique	17:54
+MrHairgrease	hmmm	17:54
+MrHairgrease	maybe	17:55
+MrHairgrease	I thought about that	17:55
+MrHairgrease	but I decided not to	17:55
+MrHairgrease	not quite sure why anymore	17:55
@rizen	that's the principle that the package exports work from	17:55
+MrHairgrease	ok	17:55
@rizen	in fact..you may be able to use the code from the packages system to do this	17:55
+MrHairgrease	but how do you handle collateral	17:55
@rizen	depending upon what assets you have	17:55
@rizen	are they both webgui 7 sites?	17:55
+MrHairgrease	and changed templateId's and stuff	17:56
+MrHairgrease	no it's 6.something -> 6.8	17:56
@rizen	ok, so you can't literally use the packages system	17:56
+MrHairgrease	anyway	17:56
@rizen	but you could use the principles	17:56
+MrHairgrease	I have the script working	17:56
@rizen	ok	17:56
@rizen	i'll shut up now then	17:56
@rizen	=)	17:56
xdanger	rizen: in the v7 there is wgpackages... when you import one and guid:s collide, does it autogenerate a new one for the importet one?	17:56
+MrHairgrease	I only have to update the contentpositions	17:56
@rizen	no..if they collide, then it assumes it is a new version of the same asset	17:57
@rizen	and creates a new revision of it	17:57
xdanger	o, of course..	17:57
xdanger	stupid of me =)	17:57
+MrHairgrease	but the chance of colliding guids is very slim	17:57
@rizen	it's ultra slim	17:57
@rizen	the biggest danger of colliding guids actually comes from guids that are manually entered by humans	17:58
+MrHairgrease	jt	17:58
+MrHairgrease	how do you handle lineage in the way you just described	17:59
@rizen	you have to generate a new lineage, but you use the old lineage to do the ordering	18:00
@rizen	so you order by old lineage	18:00
@rizen	and then just walk the tree	18:00
xdanger	rizen: a question... I have to do a multi-lingual site, and I'm considering that I install one site with finnish content and finnis as default language and another with english...	18:00
@rizen	doing addChild/addRevision	18:00
xdanger	Is it possible to have the default language changed depending on the root that your in?	18:01
+MrHairgrease	I'm doing addchilds	18:01
+MrHairgrease	can you pass the assetId with that method?	18:01
@rizen	the code is simple	18:01
@rizen	sub importAssetData {	18:01
@rizen	my $self = shift;	18:01
@rizen	my $data = shift;	18:01
@rizen	my $id = $data->{properties}{assetId};	18:01
@rizen	my $class = $data->{properties}{className};	18:01
@rizen	my $version = $data->{properties}{revisionDate};	18:01
@rizen	my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class, $version);	18:01
@rizen	if (defined $asset) { # update an existing revision	18:01
@rizen	$asset->update($data->{properties});	18:01
@rizen	} else {	18:01
@rizen	$asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class);	18:01
@rizen	if (defined $asset) { # create a new revision of an existing asset	18:01
@rizen	$asset = $asset->addRevision($data->{properties}, $version);	18:02
@rizen	} else { # add an entirely new asset	18:02
@rizen	$asset = $self->addChild($data->{properties}, $id, $version);	18:02
@rizen	}	18:02
@rizen	}	18:02
@rizen	return $asset;	18:02
@rizen	}	18:02
+MrHairgrease	so you can set the assetId's to whatever you want?	18:02
@rizen	you can pass in an asset id to addChild	18:02
* MrHairgrease cheers		18:02
+MrHairgrease	that's great	18:03
+MrHairgrease	I thought it would autogenerate	18:03
@rizen	xdanger: langauges are a user level thing, not a content level thing	18:03
@rizen	at the content level everything is UTF-8	18:03
@rizen	and therefore you can put as many languages on the same page as you want, or on seperate pages	18:04
xdanger	Just that the i18n for a visitor is allways the same	18:04
@rizen	right	18:04
xdanger	The errors are in one language...	18:04
xdanger	logins..	18:04
xdanger	stuff like that	18:04
@rizen	not really	18:04
@rizen	on a dual language site	18:05
@rizen	you can create your own login boxes	18:05
@rizen	and use one language in one	18:05
xdanger	we'll that ok =)	18:05
@rizen	and another language in another	18:05
xdanger	but my main problem is the errors, and "not found" page =)	18:05
@rizen	i agree that multi-lingual sites are more difficult	18:05
@rizen	and there's stuff you have to work around	18:05
@rizen	but tis the nature of working in a multi-lingual	18:05
@rizen	webgui isn't designed to do the multi lingual content object thing	18:06
@rizen	where you create one content object	18:06
@rizen	and add revisions for each language	18:06
xdanger	I just think that I'm going to set some metadata that defines on which site it is in...	18:06
xdanger	ad do some macros, so that I won't have to have to seperate webguis..	18:07
@rizen	probably a good idea	18:07
xdanger	for one site	18:07
@rizen	i don't ever build multi-lingual sites...so i don't have any tips for you	18:07
@rizen	you should talk to some of the w3 members	18:07
xdanger	^If(<tmpl_var url> =~ ^/en/, english, finnish);	18:09
xdanger	=D	18:09
@rizen	no if macro anymore	18:09
xdanger	I have =)	18:09
xdanger	can't live with out	18:09
@rizen	it's much safer if you create custom if macros for each occasion	18:10
xdanger	I know..	18:10
xdanger	but, now I have to go to play some soccer (football here in the europe)	18:10
+MrHairgrease	break a leg =)	18:11
xdanger	rizen: where could I ask the some w3 member?	18:11
@rizen	webguiworldwide.org	18:11
@rizen	then follow the links to their sites	18:12
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+MrHairgrease	jt	19:27
+MrHairgrease	in layouts	19:27
+MrHairgrease	the assets in the first contentposition	19:27
+MrHairgrease	are they also in the contentpositions field in the layout table?	19:27
@rizen	they may or may not be	19:29
@rizen	if they have been explicitly moved to the first position	19:29
@rizen	then they will be	19:29
@rizen	otherwise, if they are not defined at all in any content position	19:29
@rizen	they will automatically be added to the end of the first content position	19:29
@rizen	in order of rank	19:29
+MrHairgrease	ok	19:29
+MrHairgrease	thanks	19:29
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tamray	crythias, the url is www.mrved.org. you will see the problem	21:07
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Jiggie	sup people	21:10
Jiggie	back for more questions	21:10
Jiggie	lo	21:10
Jiggie	it would be nice to insert a space here	21:13
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Jiggie	5) Make a /data folder and make it writable by you	21:13
Jiggie	sudo mkdir /data	21:13
Jiggie	sudo chown you /data	21:13
Jiggie	6) Run build.sh	21:13
Jiggie	./build.sh	21:13
Jiggie	5a) copy the files from wre to data folder	21:14
Jiggie	now tell us where build.sh is located	21:14
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Jiggie	half finised documents	21:14
Jiggie	where can i find build.sh	21:26
Jiggie	in the wqre folders	21:26
Jiggie	all i cna find is binbuild.sh under /data/source/apache/httpd	21:26
+crythias	heya	21:36
+crythias	sorry. was out for a sec	21:36
+crythias	you there, tamray?	21:36
+crythias	:)	21:36
+crythias	Jiggie: build.sh is in the wre	21:37
tamray	Here I am	21:37
+crythias	howdy	21:38
tamray	Hi there	21:38
+crythias	heh	21:38
+crythias	no menus defined	21:38
tamray	right, how do I get it back	21:39
+crythias	dunno. but I can't log on anyway :)	21:39
tamray	if you would like I can change the passwd	21:39
+crythias	coolmenu is balking	21:40
Jiggie	crythias i just did a search and its not there	21:40
Jiggie	where exaclty should i perform that ./build.sh command	21:41
+crythias	there's the wre and the wre source	21:41
Jiggie	inside what folder	21:41
+crythias	one moment please	21:41
+crythias	which wre?	21:42
Jiggie	i downloaded the wre	21:43
+crythias	0.7.1?	21:43
Jiggie	extracted and inside it extracted the pre-req	21:43
Jiggie	wre-0.7.1-rhel-3-i386	21:43
+crythias	don't need to build that.	21:43
+crythias	IIRC	21:43
Jiggie	so then what	21:43
Jiggie	i guess new docs are inside	21:43
+crythias	that'd be a binary install, yeah. docs inside	21:44
Jiggie	ok brb	21:44
+crythias	if I understand correctly, you'd just expand that inside your /data	21:44
+crythias	and it'd run	21:44
+crythias	well, more or less. you'd have to run the setup	21:45
tamray	the password is changed to what we used before	21:45
+crythias	fine	21:46
+crythias	I'm clicking edit on the menu	21:46
+crythias	zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz	21:46
+crythias	start point is root +1 and ..	21:47
+crythias	snore	21:47
+crythias	sorry.	21:47
+crythias	clicking self gave me home.	21:47
tamray	clicking home to get home would be good	21:48
+crythias	'kay	21:48
+crythias	cache	21:49
+crythias	visitor cache is 5 minutes	21:49
+crythias	by default	21:49
tamray	and?	21:49
+crythias	I"m not certain what you want :)	21:49
+crythias	log on as admin	21:49
tamray	I am now	21:50
+crythias	Hey rizen, wassup? Wisconsin is a bit away from Chicago :)	21:51
tamray	I see it now. What did you have to do?	21:51
@rizen	indeed	21:52
+crythias	tamray: in navigation, clicked [x]self	21:52
tamray	in navigation found in assets?	21:53
+crythias	there's a compass thing on the left.. (edit) <-- click	21:54
tamray	what am I supposed to see, besides copy, manage, view?	21:56
+crythias	stuff at the bottom of the first tab of the navigation.	21:59
tamray	duh, I have never scrolled down to the bottom to see the other controls	21:59
tamray	pretty soon I will be a novice.	22:00
tamray	Thanks again	22:00
+crythias	:)	22:01
@rizen	gerald, are you coming to the wuc?	22:04
+crythias	I want to so bad	22:07
+crythias	I may be moving in or about that time.	22:08
@rizen	you really need to be there	22:09
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@rizen	incidentally	22:09
@rizen	assume for a minute that you do come	22:09
@rizen	are there any birds of a feather sessions that you'd want to run?	22:10
@rizen	i'm considering arranging that our rooms are available thursday night	22:10
@rizen	so that people that want to run BOFs can have the rooms and wifi to do it	22:10
@rizen	keep in mind that bofs don't have to necessarily be webgui related...though those will be given preference on the room space	22:11
+crythias	not off the top of my head. let me think :)	22:12
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+crythias	heya	22:13
nbcccorp	Hey Rizen, do you have a moment to discuss CVS with me? (not related to wg)	22:13
@rizen	i suppose	22:13
nbcccorp	Ok. Gerald and I were just talking and he thought you might have some comments on this.	22:14
nbcccorp	I need to keep two seperate sites in sync with each other. Each site has a 50 person engineering dept	22:14
nbcccorp	the engineers use a 3D modeling package called Solid Edge	22:14
nbcccorp	SE creates 'assemblies' which are basically sets of files which comprise the various parts of a model	22:15
nbcccorp	these assemblies are usually pretty large >100MB	22:15
nbcccorp	each file in the assembly may not be but all together they are.	22:16
nbcccorp	when SE opens an assembly it opens all files	22:16
nbcccorp	the locations are in rural locations that have only T-1's available.	22:16
nbcccorp	So I am trying to find a reliable, fairly simple way to keep the files in both locs and keep them in sync.	22:16
nbcccorp	I don't want a person in one location to be able to edit an assembly that a person in the other location is working on.	22:17
nbcccorp	Gerald suggested that cvs might work.	22:17
@rizen	cvs won't work	22:18
@rizen	because it's concurrent	22:18
nbcccorp	fair enough.	22:18
@rizen	same thing with subversion	22:18
@rizen	files don't get locked	22:18
nbcccorp	ever heard of anything that might work?	22:18
@rizen	honestly...i don't know what could possibly work for what you want to do	22:18
@rizen	rsync would work good for keeping things in sync between locations	22:19
@rizen	but that doesn't do locking	22:19
+crythias	http://subversion.tigris.org/svn_1.2_releasenotes.html	22:19
nbcccorp	that is the problem. I have tried a number of different things but we also have probs with the way that Solid Edge does file locking (real PoS)	22:19
@rizen	yeah..the only thing i can think of	22:20
@rizen	is you need to look at document managment systems	22:20
@rizen	some of them allow for remote syncrhonization	22:20
@rizen	and all of them allow for file locking	22:20
@rizen	or at least the good ones	22:21
@rizen	however, doc man sys's are expensive	22:21
@rizen	unless you can find an open source one	22:21
nbcccorp	ok. thanks for the time.	22:21
nbcccorp	money really isn't an issue on this one.	22:21
@rizen	search google for "document management system"	22:21
nbcccorp	if we could get one the client is willing to pay for a p-p T3	22:21
+crythias	gtgttyl8r	22:29
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Jiggie	what can i do here	23:12
Jiggie	Which mirror would you like to download from? [Houston, TX]	23:12
Jiggie	Downloading from mirror: Failed! Couldn't get file.	23:12