WebGUI irc logs from: 2006-06.log

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+perlDreamersnapcoun1: ping06:36
+perlDreamerhey! where's WRE?06:36
+perlDreameryou leave the channel for a few weeks and everything goes haywire06:37
+perlDreamersnapoun1: paging all Floridians06:41
snapcoun1greetings and salutations06:46
+perlDreameryo, dude!06:46
snapcoun1how goes it06:46
+perlDreamerit is okay06:46
+perlDreamerI've been fixing bugs06:46
+perlDreamerand I was wondering if you were at all familiar with the survey code?06:46
snapcoun1yeah a little06:47
snapcoun1but I haven't looked at in quite a while06:47
snapcoun1I added the section feature to it06:47
+perlDreamerthen you're the man I need!06:48
snapcoun1heh06:48
+perlDreamerin the technical sense06:48
snapcoun1uh oh06:48
+perlDreamercould you do an update and have a gander at the duplicate method, please?06:48
snapcoun1sure06:48
+perlDreamerdo you have it?06:50
snapcoun1what am I looking for06:51
+perlDreamersub duplicate06:51
snapcoun1ok06:52
snapcoun1now what06:52
+perlDreamerline 16706:52
+perlDreameris that the correct key for that collateral?06:52
+perlDreamerlet me back up and fill you in06:53
+perlDreamerSurvey's wouldn't copy06:53
+perlDreamerso I fixed the first bug and then got a new one06:53
+perlDreamerinvolving that line06:54
+perlDreamerit used to set the collateral in Survey_response06:54
snapcoun1uhh06:54
+perlDreamerand when the setCollateral was executed it would complain that there was no comment column in that table06:54
snapcoun1I don't think you can use setCollateral for this table06:54
+perlDreamerso I tracked down which table it should be and fixed it06:54
+perlDreamerso now it copies06:55
+perlDreamerbut I'm a little worred that the key might be wrong06:55
+perlDreamerso I thought I'd ask an expert06:55
snapcoun1it's a complex key06:55
snapcoun1three columns make the record unique06:55
snapcoun1I'm not sure if setCollateral can handle complex keys06:56
snapcoun1well, I guess it can06:56
+perlDreamerDo you read SciFi?06:56
snapcoun1you just tell setCollateral the key you want an id autogenerated for06:56
snapcoun1but you have to make sure you set the other two also06:56
snapcoun1no not really06:57
snapcoun1I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express once though06:57
+perlDreamer++$snapcount06:57
+perlDreamerThe copy seems to work, but like I said, I wanted a second set of eyes06:58
snapcoun1yeah06:58
snapcoun1it looks right06:58
+perlDreamercool, thanks06:58
snapcoun1all the keyfields are being set06:59
+perlDreamerdo you have time for another question?06:59
snapcoun1sure06:59
+perlDreamerever build the WRE on a 64-bit machine?06:59
snapcoun1nope06:59
snapcoun1shouldn't be a problem though07:00
+perlDreamerperl won't compile07:00
snapcoun1what's the error07:00
+perlDreamerhang on a sec while I paste07:00
+perlDreamer  /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC07:03
+perlDreamer  /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/5.8.7/x86_64-linux/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a: could not read symbols: Bad value07:03
+perlDreamercollect2: ld returned 1 exit status07:03
+perlDreamermake[1]: *** [mod_perl.so] Error 107:03
+perlDreamermake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/wrebuild/source/apache/mod_perl-2.0.2/src/modules/perl'07:03
+perlDreamermake: *** [modperl_lib] Error 207:03
+perlDreamerWRE ERROR: mod_perl make did not complete successfully.07:03
snapcoun1did you try doing what it says?07:04
snapcoun1recompile with -fPIC07:04
+perlDreamerno07:04
snapcoun1I'm not sure but I think that's a gcc flag07:04
snapcoun1so you'll have to edit build.sh07:05
snapcoun1and add it as a compile flag07:05
snapcoun1let me look at it real quick so I can be more specific07:05
+perlDreamerokay07:05
+perlDreamerdoes build.sh supercede package specific build scripts, or just drive them?07:05
snapcoun1it's just a big wrapper07:07
snapcoun1it calls all the individual configures, and makes07:07
snapcoun1in the correct order07:07
snapcoun1nothing magical07:07
+perlDreamerso I should figure out how to pass PIC to perl and then add _that_ to the build.sh07:07
snapcoun1yeah07:08
+perlDreamercool07:08
snapcoun1it will probably be something like07:08
snapcoun1CC=gcc CFLAGS=fPIC ./Configure --blah07:08
snapcoun1but ./Configure --help07:08
snapcoun1should tell you07:08
snapcoun1then just edit that line in build.sh that call ./Configure in the buildPerl sub07:09
+perlDreamerokay07:09
+perlDreamerthanks!07:09
snapcoun1sure thing07:09
+perlDreamerquestion 3?07:09
snapcoun1hopefully that will fix it07:09
snapcoun1why not07:09
+perlDreameruh, well it's late in Florida07:09
+perlDreameryou probably have many other things to do07:09
snapcoun1no biggie07:10
+perlDreamerback to Survey.pm07:10
snapcoun1ok07:10
+perlDreamereditSection07:10
+perlDreamer        if ($section->{sectionName} =~ /$none/) {07:10
+perlDreamer                return $self->session->privilege->vitalComponent;07:10
+perlDreamer        }07:10
+perlDreamerthat will prevent anything containing the word Security from ever being re-edited.07:10
+perlDreamershould that be a string comparison instead of regexp match?07:10
snapcoun1the purpose of that07:11
snapcoun1(may not be what it's doing)07:11
snapcoun1is to ensure that there is always one section (at least) for every survey07:12
snapcoun1it's called "none"07:12
snapcoun1i18n'ed07:12
snapcoun1this block07:12
snapcoun1is to prevent people from modifying the section called "none"07:12
+perlDreamerwith the regexp, it will match anywhere in the string because it's not anchored07:13
snapcoun1oh07:13
snapcoun1I'm not very good with PCRE07:13
snapcoun1that's all it's supposed to do so if you can make the regex better07:13
snapcoun1go for it07:14
snapcoun1it's just to protect the section called "none"07:14
snapcoun1remember it's i18n though07:14
snapcoun1so it may be called "hooflamaba'07:14
snapcoun1in leet or something07:14
+perlDreamerevery Survey has a unique section called "none"?07:14
snapcoun1yes07:14
snapcoun1it's created by processPropertiesFromFormPost07:15
+perlDreamerso if I have two content managers with different languages, then one of them will be able to edit "none" since their language's none won't match the language of the guy who created the Survey?07:15
snapcoun1I guess you're right07:16
snapcoun1yeah07:17
+perlDreamerI think the only safe way is to do it via id's07:17
+perlDreamerbut that means storing the id somewhere...07:17
snapcoun1but having a section named jghg_89485jfjed isn't very user friendly07:17
+perlDreamerit can be named anything07:17
snapcoun1I suppose you're right07:18
+perlDreamerbut the assetId of the section created by pPFFP shouldn't be allowed to be edited07:18
snapcoun1I can't imagine this is a very likely to happen though07:18
snapcoun1but that would be better07:18
snapcoun1when I wrote it I assumed the site would use one language07:19
+perlDreamerwell, I can't figure out how to do it anyway07:19
* snapcoun1 slaps hand07:19
+perlDreamersince there's no way to lookup the section by name07:19
snapcoun1now that I think about it07:19
snapcoun1I think I tried to do it the way you're describing07:20
snapcoun1but couldn't figure something out07:20
snapcoun1don't remember what though =)07:20
snapcoun1it was a while ago when I did this07:20
+perlDreamerI see four options:07:20
snapcoun1wow07:21
+perlDreamer1) store the assetId of that section in the asset07:21
+perlDreamer2) add a column which says whether or not the section can be edited07:21
+perlDreamer3) Post a bug and let JT fix it :)07:21
snapcoun1actually I have to fix bugs tomorrow so... yeah07:22
+perlDreamer4) Post a bug and let Roy fix it07:22
snapcoun1doh!07:22
+perlDreamerI think the column would be the most robust07:22
snapcoun1I think it would be the easiest07:24
+perlDreamerI'll post the bug07:24
+perlDreamerI could use the karma07:24
snapcoun1lol07:24
snapcoun1vote for my commerce feature07:24
snapcoun1=P07:24
snapcoun1kinda silly actually... I think it's going in no matter what lol07:25
snapcoun1but it was fun to spend all my karma on it07:25
snapcoun1kind of like splurging at Best Buy or something07:25
+perlDreamerit's a good idea07:25
+perlDreamerWebGUI for mp3/video shopping07:25
snapcoun1pdf books07:26
+perlDreamerbut it must be ranked pretty hard since the karma ranking is only 3.707:26
snapcoun1pictures (hehe, long live pron)07:26
+perlDreamerhow much karma do you have?07:26
+perlDreamerdid you have?07:26
snapcoun1130 something07:26
+perlDreamer130/3.707:26
+perlDreamerhmmm07:26
snapcoun1I ranked it as 35 hours07:26
snapcoun1so it's weighted heavy07:26
snapcoun1but, that number is a SWAG07:27
snapcoun1with all the Commerce changes, it could be 10 hours07:27
snapcoun1but should be no more than 35 worst case07:27
snapcoun1I just wrote something for BNT that's very similar (minus the commerce part)07:27
+perlDreamercool07:28
+perlDreamerI've been working on the new variable section in the help07:28
+perlDreamerDid JT tell you about it?07:28
snapcoun1no07:29
snapcoun1what is it?07:29
+perlDreamerlots of people have talked about a template variable editor for wG07:29
+perlDreamerbut there's 1 fundamental thing stopping it07:29
+perlDreamerthere's no way to programmatically get which variables are available in a given template07:29
snapcoun1the code?07:29
snapcoun1oh07:29
+perlDreamerso JT and I schemed, and came with this idea07:30
snapcoun1yeah... most people use $var but there is no requirement to do so07:30
+perlDreamertemplate variables will be documented in the Help, like fields are07:30
+perlDreamerand Help now has inheritance so that you can inherit other variables, fields or related items from other help entries07:30
snapcoun1nice07:31
+perlDreamerso to get the set of template variables for a template, grab it's help and take the variables key in the hash07:31
+perlDreamerand voila07:31
snapcoun1that's slick07:31
snapcoun1did you notice that JT added autoGenerateForms to the Asset class?07:32
+perlDreamerno!07:32
+perlDreamerreally?07:32
snapcoun1yep07:32
+perlDreamersweet07:32
snapcoun1I pestered07:32
+perlDreamerMatt and I talked about doing that for a while07:32
+perlDreamerbut never got around to doing it07:32
+perlDreamerit's good juju to have in the core07:32
snapcoun1I tried to use it in my Paypal asset to learn it wasn't there07:33
snapcoun1and I was like, "why isn't this here"07:33
+perlDreamerPaypal asset?  not commerce plug-in?07:33
snapcoun1yeah07:33
snapcoun1I'm not sure I'm going to release it07:33
snapcoun1I have the paypal stuff working07:33
snapcoun1but I don't know07:33
snapcoun1I don't like it07:33
+perlDreamerI've seen it mentioned on the boards07:34
snapcoun1what's that?07:34
+perlDreamerbrb07:35
+perlDreamerback07:37
+perlDreamerI thought I saw someone mention paypal in the Commerce07:38
snapcoun1what?07:39
snapcoun1in the Commerce?07:39
+perlDreameryeah07:39
snapcoun1what does that mean07:39
snapcoun1in the code?07:39
+perlDreamerthat a paypal plugin would be released for the Commerce07:39
snapcoun1yeah it will be in wG 7.1 I think07:42
+perlDreamerokay07:42
snapcoun1as a Payment Plugin07:42
snapcoun1but maybe not07:42
snapcoun1b/c Commerce is going to be rewritten07:42
snapcoun1that has to happen first07:43
snapcoun1it's going to be comprable to OSCommerce, ZenCart, etc07:43
+perlDreamerI've never used those.07:43
snapcoun1those types of features07:43
snapcoun1think Amazon07:43
snapcoun1in WebGUI07:43
+perlDreamersweet07:43
snapcoun1yeah07:43
snapcoun1it's going to be huge07:44
+perlDreamerthat's definitely a 7.107:44
snapcoun1a whole new customer base07:44
snapcoun1I don't know the specifics07:44
snapcoun1but it's what 7 is all about07:44
snapcoun17.1 - whatever07:44
+perlDreamerspeaking of new, tell JT that he needs to build a VOIP comparison site07:44
snapcoun1have you told him =)07:45
snapcoun1or is this a trap07:45
snapcoun1lol07:45
+perlDreamerno, I thought it would complement the IM and other matrix sites07:45
+perlDreamerI wouldn't bear bait you07:45
snapcoun1hehe07:47
snapcoun1I know07:47
+perlDreamerare you still on break between classes?07:48
snapcoun1no07:48
snapcoun1I'm half done07:48
snapcoun13 weeks left07:48
snapcoun1this week: thermodynamics for retards07:49
snapcoun1hehe07:49
+perlDreamerI thought you were taking business classes?07:49
snapcoun1"no no, heat and temperature are not the same Sally"07:49
snapcoun1sigh*07:49
snapcoun1this is my last Gen-Ed07:50
snapcoun1for Business07:50
+perlDreamerthen you can get down to serious business07:50
snapcoun1heh07:50
+perlDreamerinstead of messing around with all that engineering stuff07:50
+perlDreamerI mean, really!07:50
+perlDreamerwho'd use that?07:50
snapcoun1I'm considering changing my major07:51
snapcoun1I really don't like Business classes07:51
snapcoun1but it's the safe degree07:51
+perlDreamerwhat about taking over the world?07:51
snapcoun1I know07:51
snapcoun1I think I can do that w/o a business degree07:52
+perlDreamerI think so, too07:52
+perlDreamerLook at Dave Thomas07:52
snapcoun1my passion is Test Engineering07:52
snapcoun1which == Comp. Sci, and EE07:52
+perlDreamerso more CS?07:52
snapcoun1I'd have to basically start over if I change majors though07:53
snapcoun1b/c I've taken business lvl math and science07:53
snapcoun1which aren't worth crap for CS and/or Eng07:53
+perlDreamerbut your EE level stuff should get you through the prereqs for CS07:53
+perlDreamerdon't you already have an EE degree?07:53
snapcoun1nope07:53
snapcoun1I have EET certificates07:54
snapcoun1vo-tech07:54
+perlDreamerah07:54
snapcoun1did that in High School07:54
+perlDreamerdude, you're smart07:54
+perlDreameryou can do it07:54
snapcoun1it's a matter of goals at this point07:54
snapcoun1I need to get a Bachelors07:54
snapcoun1so I'm thinking I'll finish the Business degree07:55
snapcoun1then maybe do CS or EE07:55
+perlDreamereither of them should be easy with your experience07:55
snapcoun1I just need the degree for my piece of mind07:55
+perlDreamerand the salary07:55
snapcoun1I'm not so good at math07:56
snapcoun1which sucks07:56
+perlDreamerdo the CS degree then07:56
snapcoun1b/c it's key to the fundamental understanding of both07:56
snapcoun1I like Math07:56
snapcoun1but I have to work at it07:56
+perlDreamerI'm pretty sure that EE is more math intensive than CS07:56
snapcoun1They're actually very close07:57
snapcoun1at least at the school I'm going to07:57
snapcoun1Calc I + II, Diff Eq, Linear Algebra07:57
snapcoun1there are two more I think07:58
snapcoun1can't remember07:58
+perlDreamerI had to take 8 classes for EE07:58
+perlDreamerin Math07:58
+perlDreamerCalc 1 and 2, Vector Calc, Diff Eq, Linear, Series and Sequences, Statistics07:58
+perlDreamerI forget the 8th07:59
snapcoun1Stat was one of the two I couldn't think of07:59
snapcoun1maybe that was it07:59
snapcoun1then the science classes07:59
snapcoun1may as well been math =)07:59
+perlDreamermost hard science is heavily math based07:59
snapcoun1yeah08:00
snapcoun1harder than the math I think08:00
snapcoun1b/c it's applied08:00
snapcoun1you have to understand it and know how to apply it08:00
snapcoun1it's not abstract like it is in a math class08:00
+perlDreamerbut if you can map the problem into a solution set, then it's just plug and chug08:01
+perlDreamerplus, real world stuff goes beyond hand analysis pretty quick08:01
+perlDreamerthink about the fields in a capacitor08:01
+perlDreamerperpendicular fields are easy08:01
+perlDreamerfringe fields can be done to a certain degree08:02
+perlDreamerbut anything complex is handled via finite element analysis and a computer program08:02
snapcoun1you mean there is more to reactance and resonance then 1/2*pi*sqrt(L*C)08:03
snapcoun1=)08:03
+perlDreameronly a little08:03
+perlDreamerI need to crash.08:04
+perlDreameryou be around later this week?08:04
snapcoun1yeah should be08:04
+perlDreamercool08:04
snapcoun1oh08:04
+perlDreamerI may need you to explain how sections work so that I can document them08:04
snapcoun1almost forgot08:05
snapcoun1wanna see a 2 min video of me skydiving?08:05
+perlDreamersend me the URL08:05
+perlDreamerI'm still trying to get multimedia working on my laptop08:05
snapcoun1heh08:05
snapcoun1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDElhcf0m408:05
snapcoun1I need to get WRE working again08:06
snapcoun1I've neglected him08:06
+perlDreamerone other quick thing08:06
+perlDreamerMatt is still in some of the session descriptions for the WUC08:06
snapcoun1oh really08:06
snapcoun1I'll mention it to Vrby08:07
+perlDreamerare you red or blue or camera-man?08:07
snapcoun1red08:07
snapcoun1the guy flopping around08:07
snapcoun1=)08:07
snapcoun1this is from last summer08:08
+perlDreamernice flip08:08
snapcoun1yeah, my front-flip was a failure08:09
snapcoun1back flip went ok08:09
+perlDreamerto think that people jump out of perfectly good airplanes08:09
+perlDreamertut tut tut08:09
snapcoun1not anymore08:09
snapcoun1been there done that =)08:09
+perlDreamerI like my feet on the ground08:11
+perlDreamerTrains are okay08:11
+perlDreamerslow but expensive08:11
+perlDreamercatch you later, Roy08:12
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kamathl1what is WebGUI ?//23:41
kamathl1hellooooooO!23:41
kamathl1anybody home?23:43
@snapcountwww.webgui.org23:43
kamathl1thx23:43
@snapcountsure23:43
+MrHairgreasealso check out the interview with jt at perlcast.com23:45
+MrHairgreasejt is the main webgui guy btw23:45
kamathl1yeah yeah.. all that looks intresting when it comes ti the technical stff. but the legal stuff is kinda strange..23:50
kamathl1http://www.plainblack.com/legal23:51
kamathl1any more legal stuff lying around anywhere else?//23:51
@snapcountin the source code23:51
kamathl1 Well. open source thuis is .. but is it really Free (as in freedom)23:51
@snapcountit's all GPL23:52
@snapcountyes and the software is free too23:52
kamathl1Ha! it is strange to see that not mentioened on the website's "legal information" section.. which may drive away potential developers/users23:53
+MrHairgreasegotta go guys23:53
+MrHairgreasesee you later23:53
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kamathl1c ya23:53
kamathl1people who are bent on "GNU and FOSS" will think it is on some otherr license and will get repelled23:54
@snapcountperhaps23:55
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xdangerI think that the legal page is about the plainblack.com site, not about the software00:31
kamathl1oh00:31
xdanger06.06.0600:35
xdangerThe fear of the number 666 is known as hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia.00:35
kamathl1whats 06.06.06 ?00:35
kamathl1Ah!00:35
xdangerjust a funny quote that I found =)00:35
xdangertoday =)00:35
xdangerwe'll depends where in the world you are00:35
kamathl1Hey! it took me full 12 seconds to pronounce it .. I like it :-P00:36
xdangerthat's my word of the day =)00:36
xdangerpropably don't even remember it tomorrow =)00:37
kamathl1I couldn't remember the first half when i tried to pronounce the other :-P00:37
* xdanger goes to sleep...00:39
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snapcoun1nice fix on the captcha bug martin15:18
snapcoun1I spent like 2 hours on that and now I officially feel like a dummy =)15:18
+MrHairgreaseheh15:18
snapcoun1it's always the obvious that escapes me15:18
+MrHairgreaseI knew my imagemagick had to work15:18
+MrHairgreaseso I just figured15:19
+MrHairgreasemaybe they have the same color15:19
snapcoun1I knew the graphic was good because I checked it with the identify --verbose utility15:20
snapcoun1sigh*15:20
snapcoun1hours of my life wasted15:20
+MrHairgreaseyeah15:20
+MrHairgreaseyou are very near a midlife crisis15:21
snapcoun1Are you trying to cheer me up? (It's not working) lol15:21
+MrHairgreasehave you picked up golfing with too young chicks yet?15:21
+MrHairgrease=)15:21
snapcoun1no no... putt putt golfing15:21
snapcoun1only golfing I do15:21
+MrHairgreasedo you already dye your hair =)15:21
snapcoun1lol15:21
snapcoun1nope15:21
snapcoun1still good there15:22
+MrHairgreaseif your car larger than Koen's?15:22
snapcoun1what kind of car does he have?15:22
+MrHairgreaseSome bmw15:22
+MrHairgreaseI dunno15:22
snapcoun1ah15:22
+MrHairgreaseHe likes em big15:22
snapcoun1no... I have a mustang15:22
snapcoun1nothing fancy15:22
+MrHairgreaseI have a bike15:22
snapcoun1I want one15:22
+MrHairgreasebicicle15:23
snapcoun1been saving =)15:23
snapcoun1oh15:23
snapcoun1I already have one of those =)15:23
+MrHairgreaseit has those cute pink bag on the rear thiough15:23
+MrHairgreasethe rest is covered in rust15:23
snapcoun1pink eh?15:25
snapcoun1never pictured you as the 'pink bag' kinda guy haha15:26
snapcoun1I'm picturing your PBWG photo only with you having a pink bag over your shoulder15:26
+MrHairgreaseyeah15:27
+MrHairgreaseyou do that15:28
snapcoun1hah15:28
+MrHairgreasenormally only girls are fantasizing about me15:28
+MrHairgreasebut in your case I'll make an exeption =)15:28
snapcoun1calc eurohunk15:28
snapcoun1damn15:28
snapcoun1need to get wre back in here I suppose15:28
+MrHairgreaseyeah I miss it already15:29
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+crythia1howdy02:48
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TamrayHere I am05:10
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+crythia1heh05:21
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+crythia1heh.05:22
+crythia1ok. where can I get the src for httpd 2.2?05:22
+crythia1ryt?05:23
+crythia1hi tamray05:25
+crythia1cpan building apache2::request right now05:25
Tamrayok, what was wrong with it?05:27
+crythia1you said it didn't know where apxs was?05:27
Tamrayright05:27
+crythia1well, I re-built libapreq2 from your root, and told it.05:28
+crythia1then cpan seemed to "know" where it was.05:28
TamrayI don't know where the sourc was, where?05:28
+crythia1libapreq was in root05:28
+crythia1not /, but ~root05:28
Tamrayright, but I had run make many, times05:28
+crythia1but right this second, I'm sitting watching parsers do no...05:28
+crythia11/54205:29
+crythia1but apache won't start now anyway...05:29
Tamrayit will error out at the end05:29
+crythia1grr05:29
+crythia1ctrl-c is mucked up05:29
+crythia1hmm05:30
+crythia1apache won't start at all?05:31
Tamrayhmm, good05:31
TamrayRight, if you look at error_log it complains about a .pm05:31
+crythia1no.05:32
+crythia1not even with the head junk removed... trying to diagnose...05:32
+crythia1sigh. would be nice to know if there was an rcs available.05:33
+crythia1I hate making numeric backups of files05:33
Tamraywhat do you think?05:34
+crythia1if I coudl use ci, it'd rock. because I can do versions of httpd.conf, even delete it, and get it back working.05:34
Tamrayyou know more than me.05:34
+crythia1please bear with me as I'm trying to get apache to work, first, then we get WebGUI :(05:34
Tamrayal the webgui stuff is at the top of httpd.conf05:35
+crythia1except for NameVirtualHosts05:35
+crythia1still httpd isn't starting05:35
Tamrayright05:35
+crythia1configtest isn't working...05:38
Tamrayservice httpd start??05:38
+crythia1takes for EVEN05:38
+crythia1EVER05:38
+crythia1why?05:41
+crythia1oh.05:41
+crythia1guess 'cause no documentroot05:41
Tamraywhy service httpd start? FC5's way05:41
+crythia1I did that. wasn't happening.05:41
Tamraythe only change made from befoe webgui is the added stuff to httpd.conf, and I copied Apache2 folder to /data/WebGUI/lib05:42
+crythia1right. ok. I renamed the Apache2 folder because it wasn't linked properly to your apache install05:43
Tamrayk05:43
+crythia1and I can't get apache to work with the current httpd.conf05:43
Tamrayreplace away05:44
+crythia1dont' know what I'm missing.05:44
+crythia1apache should be instant start.05:44
Tamrayyep05:44
+crythia1right. 'cause you're using bad IP addresses!05:45
Tamray?05:45
+crythia1your ip address (apparently) maps to news.bbe.k12.mn.us05:45
TamrayI used the same box that used to be that server. You can remove all traces05:46
Tamrayshould have the same host name as the other box. www.tamray.com05:46
+crythia1httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name05:47
+crythia1this is a common error05:47
Tamrayhow can that be fixed?05:47
+crythia1ServerName directive in httpd.conf. fixable later.05:47
Tamrayk05:48
+crythia1BUT that's what's taking so long.05:48
+crythia1it thinks it's something..05:48
+crythia1much faster now!05:49
+crythia1:)05:49
Tamraycool05:49
Tamrayso apache starts without a hitch?05:49
+crythia1but I still need (I think?) httpd-2.2 src... dunno. gimme a sec05:49
+crythia1well, apache starts without webgui05:49
+crythia1so far, that's a good thing05:50
Tamrayif you can find a way to provide a source we should post this solution for rpm installs05:50
+crythia1well, it'd be httpd-2.2.src.rpm or whatever05:51
Tamrayyou want me to find it?05:51
+crythia1yes, please? :)05:51
Tamrayk05:51
+crythia1hrm.05:51
+crythia1interesting mod_perl is having to be installed by cpan? the heck?05:52
Tamrayit was installed 2.x05:54
+crythia1ok.05:54
+crythia1right now, sitting on parsers .....ok 1/54205:55
+crythia1where I cut out before.05:55
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Tamraywhat version of httpd do I have05:56
+crythia12.205:57
Tamrayrpm -q httpd05:57
+crythia1httpd-2.2.0-5.1.205:57
+crythia1but if you'd be good enough to remove httpd-2.2 and replace with httpd-2.0, I'd be happy05:58
+crythia1or not05:58
+crythia1wait.05:58
Tamrayclosest I could find ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.src.rpm05:59
+crythia1ok.05:59
+crythia1then you'd have a 5.2 .rpm05:59
Tamrayftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/updates/testing/5/i386/httpd-2.2.0-5.2.i386.rpm06:00
+crythia1that's testing06:00
+crythia1don't think you want that.06:00
Tamrayk06:00
Tamraywhat do I want?06:00
+crythia1sec06:00
+crythia1this is what you have ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/i386/os/Fedora/RPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.i386.rpm06:01
TamrayI couldn't find the src rpm for that06:01
+crythia1ftp://rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/core/5/source/SRPMS/httpd-2.2.0-5.1.2.src.rpm06:01
Tamrayrpm away06:02
+crythia1been ages.06:02
TamrayI can do it.06:03
Radix-wrkman, I haven't had to deal with rpm madness for years06:03
Radix-wrkapt-get is sooo much nicer :)06:03
Tamrayhang on a  few minutes06:03
+crythia1Tamray: I'm wget on the first site06:04
+crythia1then I'll sftp to the second06:04
+crythia1Radix: I hear ys06:04
+crythia1I'm FreeBSD. mine's portinstall06:05
Radix-wrkheh06:05
Radix-wrkthat's prolly the hardest thing with webgui in some ways - all the different system configurations makes it hard to make everyone happy06:06
+crythia1tamray: stop06:06
Tamrayk, httpd is gone though06:07
+crythia1yeah. 'cause I wget'd from one then sftpd to t'other.06:07
+crythia1nm.06:07
+crythia1but you rpm installed it?06:07
Tamrayso you have it from here, or can we scp things to the server06:08
+crythia1on second, it's in ~06:08
Radix-wrkAnyways, I'll leave you guys to it and get back to work - sounds like a busy install :)06:08
Tamrayi removed the httpd we had installed, getting ready for the new one06:08
+crythia1what?06:08
TamrayI did a rpm -e httpd --nodeps06:08
+crythia1put it back?06:09
Tamray:)06:09
Tamrayits back now, and the src rom is in /root06:12
+crythia1sorry. I'm trying to find out where everything is.06:13
TamrayI didn't install the src rpm06:14
+crythia1I"m happy-er now. I think06:15
Tamrayhappy is good06:15
+crythia1I don't think I installed it correct06:15
Tamrayinstalled what?06:15
+crythia1the sources. they came out icky06:15
+crythia1pwd06:15
+crythia1not password06:16
Tamrayhave to use rpmbuild --rebuild src.rpm06:16
+crythia1no.06:16
+crythia1I just need the source code. I think?06:16
Tamraywhere can we get it?06:16
+crythia1it's now in /usr/src/redhat/SOURCES. I'm an idiot and rpm -Uv httpd...src.rpm06:17
+crythia1I think I missed a flag06:17
Tamraywhy do you think that?06:18
+crythia1thought it might have been dumped into its own dir structure06:19
Tamrayand?06:19
+crythia1it didn't. it went into "SOURCES"06:20
Tamraygood06:20
+crythia1nm. Like I said...06:20
Tamraynow that you say this. It all makes perfect sense06:20
+crythia1I wanted it, maybe to go into SOURCES\httpd06:21
+crythia1not important right now06:21
Tamrayright06:21
+crythia1I want to install rcs, though06:21
Tamrayinstall what you need. why rcs?06:22
+crythia1does xtratyme mean anything to you?06:22
Tamraymy ISP06:22
Tamraywireless ISP06:22
+crythia1'kay06:22
+crythia1here's the thing with RCS: we can monkey around with installing and deinstalling httpd06:22
+crythia1BUT it kills httpd.conf.06:23
+crythia1if we use RCS, we can safely kill httpd.conf and bring it back.06:23
Tamrayplease do, and document it for me tomorrow, when you have time06:23
+crythia1rpm -Uv rpmfile, right?06:24
Tamrayyes06:25
+crythia1you're editing resolv.conf?06:25
Tamrayjust checking it to see why no internet06:26
+crythia1it's routing problem06:26
+crythia1you have no default route06:26
TamrayI set this box up at my office today, and then brought it home06:26
+crythia1ok. you have a default route06:26
+crythia1but it's not the same as the first box06:27
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+crythia1I'm sorry this is taking so long.06:27
+perlDreamerI know06:27
+perlDreamerwG 7 has taken years06:27
+crythia1ah.06:28
Tamrayboth need to point to 10.10.10.1 for default06:28
+crythia1rpmsave still..06:28
Tamrayyes06:28
+crythia1tamray: but somehow ...06:28
+crythia1first box says ipcop06:28
+crythia1when route06:28
Tamraythat is my firewall 10.10.10.106:29
+crythia1route still isn't working. :(06:29
+crythia1or ping doesn't work through your firewall outbound to ip address.06:29
Tamraysubnetmask issue. different at work.06:30
+crythia1yep. I'd agree06:30
Tamrayif it is trouble I can fix the firewall to match the box06:30
+crythia1well, you won't be serving pages until it's fixed.06:31
Tamrayyou will get bumped off. ok to do now?06:31
+crythia1go for it06:31
+crythia1think it might be faster.06:33
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+crythia1ok06:35
Tamray_Techk06:35
+crythia1untarred the source06:36
+crythia1now for cpan06:36
Tamray_Techlibpreq?06:37
+crythia1Apache2::Request06:37
Tamray_Techk06:37
+crythia1however, seems to be moving a bit nicer...?06:37
Tamray_TechAll the little things you learn when you try to help somene:)06:38
+crythia1the thing is..06:38
+crythia1why the HECK does Apache2::Request want to install mod_perl for apache1??06:39
Tamray_TechI have no idea. I saw that earlier. About the time I pulled my last hair out.. Maybe wrong vesion?06:39
+crythia1think I might have help ftp://ftp.pbone.net/mirror/ftp.pld-linux.org/dists/2.0/PLD/i586/PLD/RPMS/perl-libapreq2-2.05-2.i586.rpm06:43
Tamray_Techisn't that the rpm I have installed?06:44
+crythia1not the perl one.06:44
+crythia1maybe.06:44
+crythia1still looking06:44
Tamray_Techmissed that. Glad you found it. I looked earlier nad never came across it06:45
+crythia1ftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/fedora/extras/5/i386/perl-libapreq2-2.07-2.fc5.i386.rpm06:46
+crythia1sorry about another time waster.06:46
Tamray_Techdid you download it?06:46
+crythia1cpan install cpanbundle is long06:46
+crythia1not yet.06:46
+crythia1wish I installed screen, though. I'd be happier06:47
+crythia1screen allows you to ctrl-a ctrl-a swap between jobs06:47
Tamray_Techwhat do you mean "installed screen"06:47
+crythia1nice nice nice06:47
Tamray_Techk06:47
Radix-wrkscreen is a must for remote work :)06:47
Tamray_Techsend me a link06:48
+crythia1it's a fc5 rpm06:48
Tamray_Techno wonder I didn't know about it:)06:48
+crythia1the *best* thing about screen is that it allows you to disconnect from a job (like a long compile) or because of a dropped link... then you just... reconnect!06:49
Radix-wrkfedora doesn't include screen?06:49
+crythia1the job just keeps on going.06:49
+crythia1not in his install.06:49
+crythia1neither rcs06:49
Tamray_TechI use Remote Desktop with putty for the same reason06:49
+crythia1yeah, but if your putty disco's, you have to start anew.06:50
+crythia1unless you're running your job in screen06:50
+crythia1first: login.06:50
+crythia1screen -rd06:50
Tamray_Techyep, but I can go home at the end of the day and hope for the best:)06:50
+crythia1screen allows you not to have to hope :)06:50
Tamray_Technothing more fun than running make on a 100Mb file and have to go home soon with your laptop:)06:51
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+crythia1# screen06:52
Tamray_Techmy other login disconnected. I am still here06:52
+crythia1# make  100mb file06:52
+crythia1# ctl-d (disconnect)06:52
+crythia1go home06:52
+crythia1telnet06:52
Tamray_Tech:)06:52
+crythia1screen -rd06:52
+crythia1.... what compile options did you want?06:53
Tamray_Techwhat are we compiling now?06:53
+crythia1um.06:53
+crythia1just rpm installed perl-libapreq206:53
Tamray_Techuse your judgement06:54
Tamray_Techis the world perfect now?06:54
+crythia1*gasp*06:54
+crythia1perl preload.perl is not balking (as much) as it used to06:55
Tamray_TechI couldn't even get it to balk06:55
+crythia1testEnvironment.pl is better-ish06:55
Tamray_TechI commented out a few things I was going to work on later06:56
Tamray_Techdo you need to go?06:56
+crythia1getting closer06:57
Tamray_Techk06:57
+crythia1webgui is starting06:58
+crythia1and failed.06:58
+crythia1but nicer06:58
Tamray_Techa  nicely failed start is better than a bad failed start:)06:58
+crythia1the errors are no longer the same thing06:59
Tamray_Techwhat do they relate to?06:59
+crythia1the .conf, I think?07:00
Tamray_Techmaybe I didn't get all the perms on the folders changed to apache?07:01
+crythia1it's a parsing problem :(07:01
Tamray_Technothing is sacred in my config07:01
+crythia1WebGUI runs07:03
Tamray_Techwhoo hoo!07:03
* crythia1 smacks you about the head.07:03
+crythia1ok.07:04
Tamray_Techouch!07:04
+crythia1one thing you didn't (couldn't?) know about: perl-libapreq2 rpm07:04
+crythia1it doesn't appear to be a stock FC5 rpm.07:04
+crythia1but it was what fixed what was missing07:05
Tamray_Techyou commented on this in another post, but I did not realize it was perl-libapreq207:05
+crythia1the parsing errors were related to you not enclosing strings inside quotes07:05
+crythia1in FreeBSD, it's p5-libapreq207:05
Tamray_Techwhere, my www.tamray.com.conf?07:06
+crythia1there's two: libapreq2 and p5-libapreq207:06
+crythia1yes, your .conf07:06
Tamray_Techk07:06
+crythia1I fixed them and created a version history for the fixed version07:06
Tamray_Techsend me the links for those when you document your work07:06
+crythia1I leave it to you to get your domain working,...07:07
+crythia1well.07:07
Tamray_TechYou can email me tomorrow. if webgui is working we are good07:07
+crythia1you still have that criteria for mailman to work...07:07
Tamray_Techshould still work if /etc/httpd/conf.d/mailman.conf is still there07:08
+crythia1(hint: don't delete things with ,v)07:08
Tamray_Techvi ?07:08
+crythia1gotta put passthruUrls07:08
Tamray_Techeasy enough, and Location tag07:09
+crythia1your domain isn't working via internet07:09
+crythia1apache seems to be working, though.07:10
Tamray_TechI will get it working, if webgui is running I am good07:10
Tamray_Techso, we're finished up?07:11
Radix-wrkSo does anyone here actually use any methods for reinstalling a whole webgui system from scratch?07:12
Radix-wrkI've just been working on making a clone of our current setup on a virtual machine.. partly for testing, but also just to reproduce the process and look at documenting it.07:12
+crythia1Tamray: I think so. Let me know how you feel07:12
Tamray_TechThanks much. I will talk to you tomorrow when you send me your findings and advice.07:14
+crythia1heh. I got neg digs on this... but here's the rcs info: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/ot-ci--l-rcs---easily-version-your-files07:14
Tamray_Techif it will help other users you can document/share whatever you like:)07:15
+crythia1np.07:15
+crythia1I wasted too much time trying to do what you did. :)07:15
+crythia1you were as close as perl-libapreq207:15
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+crythia1Radix: I wasn't ignoring you.... same architecture?07:16
Tamray_Techfunny!, but worth a bunch.07:16
+crythia1Thanks for your patience.07:17
Tamray_TechThat was my line:) I really appreciate your help. Have a good night!07:17
Radix-wrkThe virtual machine (using virtualpc on windows) was mostly because I wanted something I could use to test our webgui site with the latest webgui versions - and see what errors came up, what problems were encountered (and hopefully help log some of them before 7 went live)07:18
Tamray_Techgreat idea07:18
+crythia1ok. 'cause the capitalizations will be prob. moving from win to linux07:18
Radix-wrkso I made a virtual machine of a bare debian install, installed everything to get it to run our current webgui site.07:19
Radix-wrknah.. I didn't install it under windows - I used virtualpc on windows07:19
Radix-wrkVirtualPC is like vmware, etc07:19
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+crythia1gotcha07:20
+crythia1mysqdump data > datafile.sql07:20
+crythia1tar czvf webgui.tar.gz /data07:21
Radix-wrkyup.. I have backups of the /data dir and mysql - so I use that to sync the clone with our virtual server07:21
Radix-wrkworks a treat actually07:21
Radix-wrkgot a 6.99.2 version of our server (though not had time to try 6.99.3 yet)07:21
+crythia1if I crashed, I can get up and running within a bit07:21
+crythia1well, 'cept nothings important so far ? :)07:22
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Radix-wrkI never commented btw, but I did appreciate that rcs post you made - I found it very useful07:26
Radix-wrkI've yet to get it into my daily processes tho - which is a bit of a shame - been too busy doing everything else.07:27
+karma_kameleonwhen I figured out what it did...07:58
+karma_kameleon(rcs)07:58
+karma_kameleonI just can't start working on .confs without it.07:59
+karma_kameleonand all the /etcs07:59
+karma_kameleonI just couldn't believe how useful and EASY it was to use.07:59
Radix-wrkheh07:59
+karma_kameleonand when you do something like rm -f /etc/passwd and then co -l passwd :)08:00
+karma_kameleonit's so nive08:00
+karma_kameleonnice08:00
* snapcoun1 howls at the moon08:00
Radix-wrkyeah.. I just have to break 10 years of habit to use it that's all ;)08:01
+karma_kameleonI completely understand.08:01
snapcoun1crythias: what's this?  you cloning yourself now? lol08:01
+karma_kameleonbut... wow. ci -l filename.ext is just so much nicer than cp filename.ext filename.ext.today's date08:01
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+crythia1heh08:03
Radix-wrkhome account?08:03
+crythia1well, yeah, but I left office on08:03
Radix-wrkheh08:04
Radix-wrkSo anyone else here going to WUC?08:04
snapcoun1thinking about it08:04
snapcoun1=)08:04
+crythia1I want to go, really. but not certain.08:04
Radix-wrkI've had approval from the boss, booked my ticket - just got to organise the flights :)08:05
Radix-wrkfunnily enough, it's the same price to go to las vegas from here as it is to do a world trip.. so I'm planning a big world trip at the same time :)08:05
snapcoun1either of you guys openldap experts?08:06
+crythia1I may have a change in where I live...08:06
Radix-wrksame cost to go from perth - las vegas as it is to go perth, london, paris, new york, las vegas, san francisco, perth - tis crazy :)08:06
+crythia1I don't know ldap :( I'm lame08:07
Radix-wrksnapcoun1: no, sorry, ldap newbie08:07
snapcoun1we should start a club08:07
Radix-wrkheh08:07
snapcoun1=P08:07
+crythia1active directory works for me! Call 1800 MSN LDAP08:07
Radix-wrkI just use the database linkage for user management08:08
snapcoun1I spent 3 hours today to figure out that if you define an index for a uid attribute that filters won't work for that attribute08:08
snapcoun1I don't know if it's the posixAccount objectClass or what the fubar is08:08
snapcoun1(uid=jsmith*) works08:08
snapcoun1(uid=jsmith) does not08:08
+crythia1gtg... ttfn08:08
snapcoun1ttfn?08:09
+crythia1ta ta for now08:09
Radix-wrkta ta for now08:09
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snapcoun1Tickle Tickle Fickle Nickle08:09
snapcoun1this ldap stuff is actually pretty cool08:10
snapcoun1I have a webgui site and my shell acounts authenticating against here in my test environment08:10
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+crythiashello16:37
+MrHairgreasehello16:39
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+MrHairgreasehey roy18:41
+MrHairgreaseare you converted to the new dev list yet?18:41
+MrHairgreaseif so18:42
+MrHairgreasehow do you like it18:42
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jiggiehey people22:01
jiggiei got most of webgui installed execpt errors with perl modules22:01
jiggiecan anyone help22:02
jiggieThe perl module HTML::Parser is outdated,22:02
snapcoun1are you doing this on your own or using wre22:24
snapcoun1either way, make sure the correct perl (the one webgui uses) is in your path22:25
snapcoun1and do $>perl -MCPAN -e install22:25
snapcoun1install HTML::Parser22:25
snapcoun1it should update it if there is a newer version22:25
snapcoun1oops22:25
snapcoun1perl -MCPAN -e shell22:25
snapcoun1sorry22:26
xdangeror perl -MCPAN -e 'install HTML::Parser'22:26
snapcoun1rinse and repeat for any other modules you need to update22:26
snapcoun1if you're using wre and they are out of date/missing you are either using the wrong version of wre or there is a bug and you should report it22:27
jiggieok going for that22:29
jiggiei just downloaded from source22:29
jiggieto follow the instructions on the site22:29
jiggiethey seem to be easier now to read after 1 week of a break from it22:29
jiggieso when will you guys re-do the installation instructions22:31
jiggiewaiting for an install to finish from cpan22:31
jiggieok did that22:41
jiggienow missing some pod, and installing it22:41
jiggieit always does this   Warning: prerequisite IO::Zlib 1.01 not found22:42
jiggiewhats that22:42
jiggieis there a command to install all the modules it needs + dependencies22:55
jiggieChecking for module Archive::Tar:            Install of Archive::Tar failed!22:55
jiggiecrap again22:55
jiggietoo many errors and it fails23:02
jiggiepg: Can't check signature: public key not found23:03
jiggie==> BAD/TAMPERED signature detected! <==23:03
jiggiet/0signature....FAILED test 123:03
+crythiaswhy aren't you using your distro's perl-Archive-Tar?23:07
jiggieredhat23:07
+crythiaswhat?23:07
jiggiei'm using redhat ES 423:07
jiggiecan you show me how to get that perl working23:08
+crythiasyes.23:08
jiggiei'm all ears23:09
+crythiassoon as I find where the redhat rpms are23:09
+crythiasx86?23:10
jiggiei took this system and it has been ok until the perl testEn.......23:10
+crythiasi386?23:10
jiggieyeah23:11
+crythiaswhich of these makes sense?23:11
+crythiasftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/4/en/23:11
+crythiasnm23:11
+crythiasthey're all source.23:11
jiggielet me check23:12
+crythiashttp://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-Archive-Tar23:13
+crythiasbut I wouldn't begin to know which (FC5?) would be useable on RHES423:14
+crythiasif you've set up yum(?) repo, you should be able to yum install it23:14
+crythiasapologies. I am not familiar with which package manager is the recommended for RHES23:15
jiggielet me check... which one is better23:15
jiggieon the first one nothing23:17
jiggieok downlaoded the file23:21
jiggieand doing rpm -ivh filename but it does not install23:21
jiggieperl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm23:21
jiggie.done23:22
jiggierpm  -ivh perl-Archive-Tar-1.26-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm23:22
jiggieworks23:23
jiggienow what23:23
+crythiascontinue the other23:23
jiggiethe procedure i had b423:23
jiggieit was pert testEnv.......23:24
+crythiasperl testEnvironment23:24
jiggieThe perl module IO::Zlib is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]23:24
+crythiasyes. but if you can use your el4 modules, do it instead of cpan23:24
jiggiei suppose y right23:24
jiggieel4 modules23:24
jiggiehow do i do that23:24
+crythiasel4.rf.noarch.rpm23:24
jiggieso i have to look for that and install it23:25
+crythiasperl-IO-Zlib23:25
+crythiasor try to watch cpan do it. *MY* preference is to use the OS's packages as much as possible.23:25
jiggiesearched and found it23:26
jiggiehe perl module Tie::IxHash is not installed, do you want to install it now? {y|n} [y]23:26
jiggielol23:26
jiggieso i should keep doing this untill all are satisfied23:26
+crythiasIMO, yes.23:26
+crythiasit's what I've done.23:27
jiggieso redhat 4 is not so easy, missing lots of stuff23:28
+crythiasmost apps are23:28
+crythiasWebGUI relies on a lot of otherwise optional stuff23:29
jiggieafter i understand this very good, gonna make a dummy version of how to23:29
jiggiewhat you need to look for and everything23:29
+crythiassure23:29
jiggieis there a package with all of them23:33
+crythiaswell. the wre tries23:34
jiggieall those files are there23:34
jiggiecan i just downlaode the wre and copy the files23:35
+crythiasthey compile for the os23:35
+crythiasthe happy thing? you only have to install once :) and you get upgrade-ability if you use your OS's packager.23:36
jiggieerror: Failed dependencies:23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP) >= 1.0 is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Client) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Connection) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Debug) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::IQ) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::JID) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Message) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Namespaces) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Presence) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggie        perl(Net::XMPP::Stanza) is needed by perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:36
jiggiecrazy23:36
jiggieso how can i do that23:37
jiggiewhat you say23:37
+crythiasperl-Net-Jabber is required?23:37
jiggieyep23:37
+crythiaswhich webgui?23:37
jiggie Failed dependencies:23:37
jiggie        perl(Net::Jabber) >= 1.0021 is needed by perl-SOAP-Lite-0.67-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:37
jiggielatest gamma23:38
jiggiestable23:38
jiggie6.823:38
+crythiasJabber bc of SOAP-Lite23:38
+crythiasok. perl-Net-XMMP?23:38
jiggielost m,e there buddy23:38
+crythiasJabber is a dependency of SOAP-Lite, which is required by WG. That's what threw me.23:39
jiggieso whats next'23:39
+crythiasget the perl-Net-XMMP23:39
jiggiesearching23:40
+crythiasxmpp23:40
+crythiashttp://mirrors.ircam.fr/pub/dag/dries/packages/perl-Net-XMPP/el4-i386/perl-Net-XMPP-1.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm23:40
jiggieerl(IO::Socket::SSL) is needed by perl-Net-Lite-XMMP-0.02-1.2.el4.rf.noarch23:42
jiggiejust 123:42
jiggiegood23:42
jiggiestill looking for more packages23:44
+crythiashttp://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-IO-Socket-SSL&submit=Search+...&system=&arch=23:46
+crythiashttp://rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/dag/redhat/el4/i386/perl-IO-Socket-SSL-0.96-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.html23:47
jiggie:perl-Net-XMPP   is installed23:47
jiggiesoap lite is needed23:48
jiggieand that needs jabber23:48
+crythiasftp://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Net-Jabber-2.0-1.2.el4.rf.noarch.rpm23:49
jiggiedone those two23:49
jiggielol23:49
jiggienow datetime23:49
jiggiethanks for the help23:49
+crythiasftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm23:50
+crythiasnow, if you package all these rpms in a nice big bundle, :)23:50
jiggielol23:50
+crythiasnext?23:51
jiggienow it needs erl(DateTime::Locale) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i38623:51
jiggie        perl(DateTime::TimeZone) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i38623:51
jiggie        perl(Params::Validate) is needed by perl-DateTime-0.2901-1.1.el3.rf.i38623:51
jiggielol23:51
+crythiasftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-Locale-0.22-1.2.el4.rf.i386.rpm23:51
+crythiasftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-DateTime-TimeZone-0.46-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm23:52
+crythiasftp://rpmfind.net/linux/dag/redhat/el4/en/i386/dag/RPMS/perl-Params-Validate-0.84-1.el4.rf.i386.rpm23:52
jiggiestill lots more23:53
jiggiecrap23:53
jiggienot so easy afterall23:53
+crythiasdoesn't RPM have some get dependencies flag?23:53
jiggiewill check23:54
* crythias is loving hist FreeBSD more and more each day.23:54
jiggielol23:56
jiggierpm -i software-2.3.4.rpm --nodeps   but that just ignores dependesies23:56
+crythiasI gotta go. you have a source to look them up, though. hint: you might put i386 in the architecture box to narrow your searches.23:57
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jiggiei dont see a command to download the dependent files00:01
jiggiethanks00:01
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dorel__hey11:19
Radix-wrkhiya11:19
dorel__whats webgui? :P11:30
Radix-wrkwww.plainblack.com/webgui11:34
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dorel__cool12:18
dorel__does webgui have templates and such?12:18
xdangerof course...12:21
xdangerit has everything =)12:21
xdangerwell almost12:21
xdangertry out: demo.plainblack.com12:21
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jiggieback15:21
xdangerchansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request to actually get the file.15:36
xdangerdo you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?15:36
jiggiebrb15:59
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jiggiesup people16:19
jiggiehaving this problem httpd failed. The error was: Starting httpd: Syntax error on line 191 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf:16:19
jiggieCannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory16:19
jiggie[FAILED]16:19
jiggieanyone16:19
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+crythiassnapcoun117:16
snapcoun1yes17:16
+crythiasyou sen matt?17:16
+crythiasseen17:16
snapcoun1priv message17:17
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DforgeHello, I'm trying to move a webgui 5.5.8 site to a new host and I'm getting a error when trying to edit the content of a page. "[Thu Jun 08 12:29:46 2006] [error] 3027: ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"21:45
DforgeThe host is running Centos 3.7 (RHEL 3.0)21:46
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xdangersnapcoun1: are you here?02:42
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DforgeHYHello02:55
DforgeHI need some help with the error "ModPerl::Registry: Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /www/htdocs/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 325.!"03:06
DforgeHIt looks like return $session{cgi}->header.. is null03:19
DforgeH', endDate='2082801600', title='What is EntConnect?', groupIdView='7', startDate='946728000', ownerId='3', lastEdited=1149791572, editedBy=27 where wobjectId=1 : Unknown column 'templateId' in 'field list'03:37
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snapcoun1someone rang03:51
snapcoun1xdanger: ping03:51
DforgeHhello03:54
xdangersnapcoun1: just wondering that is there any point in reporting 6.8 bugs?04:06
xdangerAnd just got a very strange situation on my 6.8...04:07
Radix-wrknavigation stuff not appearing for some users?04:08
xdangerthe db reverted to a fresh one, on it's one...04:08
xdangerno, a formhelper operation bug04:08
xdangeror a typo04:08
Radix-wrkahh.. oh well.. was hoping for more reports of the bug I've encountered :)04:08
xdangerwhat's that?04:09
Radix-wrkhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/navigation-issues04:09
xdangeryour bug I mean...04:09
Radix-wrkJust submitted it then - been frantically looking at our setup the last few days, but another user reported it on the forums - so I've determined it's not just us affected04:10
xdangeris this on 6.8.10 ?04:12
Radix-wrkyeah04:12
xdangernice...04:12
xdangerif it really happened on it's own...04:12
Radix-wrkgot users who can't see the areas they should be able to, and employees who can't see the navigation tree at all for our intranet04:12
xdangermaybe some custom template was placed in the trash, after expiring..04:13
xdangerI had that problem04:13
snapcoun1xdanger: depends04:13
Radix-wrkI can't delete the trash on this setup04:13
snapcoun1if they still exist in 6.9904:13
snapcoun1then yes04:13
xdangersnapcoun1: nope... this was in the browse for asset form function helper operation =)04:14
xdangerthat has changed totally in 6.9904:14
Radix-wrkif I use runhourly to delete trash then the whole site goes crazy.. random stuff gets deleted04:14
snapcoun1JT plans on 7 being stable on 7/104:14
xdangerYou propably have the same problem that I did... content expiring..04:15
snapcoun1so I doubt there will be another 6.x release04:15
Radix-wrkfingers crossed :)04:15
Radix-wrkxdanger: any fix for that that I can test then?04:15
xdangerin some 6.x version the content created it had a default of 1year of expiretime04:15
xdangeredit brach the whole site and set the endDate to 2036 =)04:16
xdangerdont test in production server =)04:16
Radix-wrkHmm.. might try it on a virtual machine setup then to test it out04:16
snapcoun1or at the very least back the db up first04:16
Radix-wrkyeah.. got virtualpc running a clone of our setup - it's great for testing04:17
xdangersnapcoun1: and jfyi: 04:17
xdanger15:36 < xdanger> chansen: I tested (with ab) that the $r->sendfile(); did serve as much request as the current redirect, but the redirect does also another request  to actually get the file.04:17
xdanger15:36 < xdanger> do you know some easy to use benchmark that would follow redirects ?04:17
DforgeHHrm... for some reason the sql database process to get my site to 5.5.8 (Before getting it to 6) didn't add the templateId field for wobject.04:17
xdangerthe sendfile method isn't that slow after all..04:17
snapcoun1that's cool04:18
xdangerjust don't have enough time to do proper testing04:18
DforgeHHrm... It's missing the templateID column04:19
snapcoun1are you following the upgrade path in gotcha.txt04:20
DforgeHI'm picking up the peices from someone else04:21
snapcoun1you can't go from 5 straight to 6.804:21
DforgeHlet me check04:21
DforgeHI know, I'm trying to go to 5.5.8 first04:21
snapcoun1oh ok04:21
xdangersnapcoun1: but I'm really worried about the db of one of my sites reverting to a clean one (askin for a new admin & company info)04:21
snapcoun1common mistake so I thought I'd throw it out there =)04:21
DforgeH:) I appreciate it.04:21
DforgeHIt's working... mostly...04:21
DforgeHediting fails.04:21
snapcoun1xdanger: what?!04:21
snapcoun1the whole db?04:22
DforgeHYAY!04:22
DforgeHWorked04:22
snapcoun1or it is showing you the config screen?04:22
snapcoun1big diff04:22
snapcoun1are you saying that all of your content disappeared and was replaced by the wG default content?04:23
DforgeHJust grepped through the upgrade scripts and found the missing table alter step.04:23
xdangerI earlier today installed a new site on my webgui server, did some snippeds and remover the default content and was setting a new "home" and "file not found" pages, and after that the deleted content was back, and the new content gone..04:23
snapcoun1do you have pending version tags?04:24
xdangernope04:24
snapcoun1did you commit your changes I mean?04:24
xdangerclean there also04:24
xdangerauto commit on04:24
snapcoun1wow04:24
snapcoun1this is in 6.8.10?04:24
xdangerthe bug that I discovered reletes to setting the home/filenotfound pages, we'll the form..04:25
xdangerreturn _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset',$output));04:25
xdangershould be return _outputWrapper($i18n->get('choose an asset'),$output);04:25
xdangerin Operation/FormHelpers.pm04:25
xdangeryep...04:25
xdanger6.8.1004:25
snapcoun1yeah... extra ) will fsck stuff real nice04:26
snapcoun1misplaced rather04:26
snapcoun1I did that the other day and it took me an hour to figure out wth was going on04:26
snapcoun1no syntax error so it was fun04:26
xdangerthat wasn't easy to find also..04:27
snapcoun1those are some of the hardest04:27
snapcoun1b/c you read what *should* be there in your mind04:27
snapcoun1kind of like placing missing words in a sentence as you read04:27
xdangerthat tryies to run the whole output as a parameter to i18n =P04:27
snapcoun1nice04:28
xdangersome nasty error in logs =)04:28
snapcoun1I bet04:28
xdanger::I18N->{'choose an asset'}{message} because syntax error at (eval 1869) line 1, near "$WebGUI::i18n::English::pa href"04:28
xdangerthat was the one that guided me to the right place..04:28
xdangerI'm just amazed that no one has bumped into this before04:29
xdangercuz the whole form of browsing the asset tree in popup isn't workin..04:29
snapcoun1it's surprising what gets missed04:30
snapcoun1try saving some settings in a 7.x site for example =)04:30
xdangeralso, later.. I savet the setting (changin the home&404 pages again) I get asket for admin & company info again..04:31
xdangerbut this time my info was in them..04:31
xdangerI'm just worried that some user might reset my admin password =/04:32
xdangerBut, waiting on 7.0 =)04:35
xdangernow some sleep...04:36
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Radxdanger: you said that it might be content expiring and to set the endDate - where is that stored in the database if I wanted to change it?05:26
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RadAhh.. in assetData it looks like05:27
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Radyeah, half the Import Node hierarchy is set to end on 200505:39
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+perlDreamerwill the real snapoun* please stand up?05:45
snapcoun2hello06:28
snapcoun2been fighting w/ BrightHouse06:28
snapcoun2I'm loosing06:28
+perlDreamerwhat is BrightHouse?06:28
snapcoun2ISP06:28
+perlDreameroy06:29
snapcoun2owned by Time Warner06:29
+perlDreameris there a #webgui on EFNet?06:29
snapcoun2well, there should be06:29
snapcoun2actually what the brighthouse problem is06:29
snapcoun2I have two cable modems06:29
snapcoun2and hence06:29
snapcoun2two public ip addresses06:29
snapcoun2one of them is not getting an ip06:29
snapcoun2and the 'technicians' are highly confused that two cable modems exist in one residence06:30
+perlDreamersnapcoun2: needs more bandwidth06:30
snapcoun2I actually want to play with that06:30
snapcoun2one more nic in my linux gateway machine and some iptables magic06:31
snapcoun2maybe I can get 15Mbps06:31
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@snapcountso did you check out my Survey fix06:32
+perlDreamerI read it, and it looks better06:32
+perlDreamerbut I don't think there are any translations of it yet06:32
+perlDreamerso I can't test it06:32
@snapcountso you feel all warm and fuzzy now =P06:32
@snapcountI am actually a little nervous about it06:33
+perlDreameroh yes06:33
+perlDreamereeek! kittens!06:33
@snapcountI might have to face The Godfather's rath06:33
@snapcountwrath06:33
+perlDreamerHis rath might be easier06:34
+perlDreamerto face06:34
@snapcountmy fix altered the db schema06:34
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+perlDreameryou fixed a bug06:34
@snapcountwhich !compatible06:34
@snapcountit breaks compatibility though06:34
+perlDreamerthere's an upgrade script to handle it06:34
@snapcountthat's true06:35
@snapcountduh06:35
@snapcountwth am I thinking06:35
@snapcountit's not like the schema can never change06:35
* perlDreamer and snappy are too hard on ourselves06:35
@snapcountI have gotten pretty good with ldap over the past couple days06:35
@snapcountI'm happy about that06:35
+perlDreamerreally?06:35
@snapcountyeah06:36
@snapcountI cleaned up a lot of the Auth/LDAP code06:36
+perlDreamerDo you know how to suck out all the users in a given LDAP group?06:36
@snapcountyep06:36
+perlDreamerWant to make JT's day?06:36
* snapcount hesitates =)06:36
+perlDreamersnapcount is hard on himself, but very wise ;)06:37
+perlDreamerhere's the deal06:37
+perlDreamerI couldn't finish the great isInGroup work of 2006 because I don't know LDAP06:37
+perlDreamerwe need a Group method to slurp all the users from an LDAP group06:37
@snapcounthmm06:38
+perlDreamerjust like getDatabaseUsers et. al.06:38
+perlDreamerand, of course, it needs a set of tests06:38
@snapcountthe problem is that it has to be configurable06:38
@snapcountthe ldap part is easy06:38
+perlDreamerconfigurable how?06:38
@snapcountyou build a search using a dn (starting point) and you need a filter to get the users you want06:38
@snapcountwell, all groups would use the same base dn06:39
@snapcountthat comes from the ldap connection in settings06:39
@snapcountthe trick is the filter06:39
@snapcountI guess it could work like the RDN stuff06:39
@snapcountyou need to be able to define the groupId attribute06:40
@snapcountis this making sense06:40
@snapcount?06:40
+perlDreamerkind of06:40
@snapcountI think I'm rambling06:40
@snapcountlet's try a diff way06:40
+perlDreamerisn't there a group field to hold that kind of stuff already?06:40
@snapcountI need to build this:06:40
@snapcountactually06:40
@snapcountdamn06:41
@snapcountyou need two settings06:41
+perlDreamercondemning things to eternal flame06:41
+perlDreamer2 settings?06:42
@snapcounta base dn setting (for groupingroup) and a filter setting06:42
+perlDreamerdo you need two settings in 6.8 to do the same thing?06:42
@snapcountdoes 6.8 do this already?06:42
+perlDreameryes06:43
@snapcountreally06:43
@snapcountI wonder how Frank did it and if it's as flexible as my idea06:43
+perlDreamerhave a look at User.pm, line 282 in SVN head06:43
+perlDreamernow, that code checks that a particular user is in an LDAP group by some property.06:44
+perlDreamerwhat needs to be done is to slurp out _all_ users with that property06:44
+perlDreamerwhich should be the filter you're talking about06:44
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+perlDreamerRadix-wrk makes like an unlemming and implodes?06:46
@snapcountit's the combination of the two06:46
@snapcountan ldap dir is a tree structure06:47
@snapcountbase dn is where to start06:47
@snapcountfilter is like pruning from there down06:47
Radix-wrkyup.. I implode06:47
@snapcountto get all of them all we have to do06:48
@snapcountis tell it to start at the top of the tree06:48
@snapcountor base (if you consider it an upside down tree)06:48
@snapcounthence 'base dn' =)06:48
@snapcountso, let me look at the code again to put my ldif where my mouth is06:49
+perlDreamer$ldapLink->recurseProperty($group->get("ldapGroup"),$people,$group->get("ldapGroupProperty"),$group->get("ldapRecursiveProperty"));06:49
+perlDreamerthat sounds like what you're talking about06:49
+perlDreamer;)06:50
@snapcountlooks like this method will do what you want06:53
+perlDreamerreally?06:54
+perlDreamercool06:54
+perlDreamerthat just leaves testing then06:54
+perlDreameris there any way to set up a small LDAP server via a perl module?06:54
@snapcountnot that I'm aware06:55
@snapcountyou could write the test though06:55
@snapcountand let the user set env vars to actually run it06:55
@snapcount(pointing to an ldap server)06:55
@snapcountbut it's schema dependant06:55
@snapcountso that might be hard06:55
+perlDreameryeah06:55
@snapcountyou could include a sample schema and tell them to load it I suppose06:56
@snapcountthere is a limitation in this method however06:57
+perlDreameroh?06:57
@snapcountit will start dropping group members06:57
@snapcountstarting with number 10006:57
@snapcountthere is a failsafe to prevent infinite recursion06:57
@snapcountit needs to be over-rideable06:57
@snapcountfrom the method call06:58
+perlDreamerso that you could have a bunch of LDAP users06:58
@snapcountfor this you'd probably want to pass a -1 and disable that check06:58
+perlDreameryou'd still like to disable infinite recursion06:58
@snapcountwell, it's kind of silly06:59
+perlDreamerbut it should be settable, either in the Group or LDAP setups06:59
@snapcountit can't happen that I can see06:59
@snapcountI mean it's running a search on the ldap server using Net::LDAP06:59
@snapcountthe number of itterations == number search results06:59
+perlDreamersounds like a bug needs to be submitted07:00
+perlDreamerbut it must not be a big thing among current LDAP users, otherwise they'd have found it by now07:00
@snapcountI need to study this07:03
+perlDreamerokay07:04
@snapcountI can do it tommorow07:04
+perlDreamerWhen you're done, close the bug for it on the board.07:04
+perlDreamerThat will make JT's day07:04
+perlDreamerIn the meantime, I'll keep hacking template variables07:04
@snapcountdo you think you could make a 6.99.3 site with a survey that has a few sections07:05
@snapcountthen upgrade it07:05
@snapcountto make sure my upgrade sub works07:05
+perlDreamerI can do that07:05
+perlDreamerI think ;)07:05
@snapcountit's the only thing I didn't test07:05
@snapcountall the upgrade does is find the sectionId of the section named "none" and store it in the Survey table as defaultSectionId07:06
@snapcountpretty simple but rather be safe07:06
+perlDreameris there a schedule for .4 yet?07:10
+perlDreamerI mean 6.99.4?07:11
+perlDreamerHere's what I got:07:17
+perlDreamerDBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'assetId' in 'where clause' at ../../lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 122.07:17
+perlDreamersnapcount:  I think I can fix this, do you want me to?07:20
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+perlDreamersnapcount: you're getting schizo07:21
+perlDreamereither that, or I need new glasses07:21
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+perlDreamersnapcoun1: did you get any of the last several messages?07:22
+perlDreamersnapcoun1: ping07:39
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Radix-wrkHave a good weekend everyone.. I'm outta here :)11:07
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chansenxdanger: sorry, was AFK14:25
chansenxdanger: not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?14:25
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walakihi folks15:17
walakihow can I log out a user after a he submits a form?15:19
walakicould somebody help me with this, please?15:19
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walakianybody here?21:01
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walakieverybody's partying?02:08
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walakihi Radix-wrk04:38
Radix-wrkmornin'04:42
walakiit depends where you live (o:, it's 3:47 am here04:47
walakison I can call it morning04:47
walakicould you help me, please?04:48
walakihow can I log out a user after a he submits a form?04:48
Radix-wrksend him to  the url "?op=auth;method=logout" once he's submitted it.05:12
walaki$self->getUrl('func=op=auth;method=logout');05:27
walakithis is the url, right?05:27
walakibut how can I send him?05:28
Radix-wrkI don't know :(  I don't use the webgui form handler much myself - and use another one that we've used for years to do our form processing called bformmail.05:40
walakitx06:06
walakiany idea?I just need to log out the user, after the form data has been saved06:06
walakireason is not to allow him to press the back button and screw things up06:07
walakiit is good or even in the from souce code or anything06:08
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walakihello17:14
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walakihello17:58
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Jiggiehey guis23:21
Jiggieguys23:21
Jiggiei'm deperate to try to get this webgui working23:21
Jiggierunning fedora core 523:21
Jiggieapache2 perl module error23:21
Jiggieneeds libapr23:22
walakihey23:30
walakialthough I can't help you it is good to see someone here23:31
walakithe gurus are not paying attention here, I am waiting for them also, and I am waiting for sooooo long23:34
walakiyou want to install from source or the WRE?23:35
Jiggiesource23:42
Jiggieusing fc 523:42
Jiggieits just one dependency over another23:42
Jiggiethese people should inclued all this crap on the download23:42
Jiggiewalaki so where are you stuck23:43
walakiI am not installing it, I make code modifications to the survey modul to mak23:44
walakito the survey modul's quiz mode, to make it point based, instead of correct/wrong answer based23:46
walakiI'm using old stable under a virtual machine with win2k23:46
Jiggieohh23:46
walakiwindows-zip-n-go worked lin a minute or so23:47
Jiggiei gopt it running under windows23:47
Jiggiethats easy23:47
Jiggielinux is the problem23:47
walakithere is a WRE for linux, it's like the zip-n-go under win, but I haven't tried it23:47
Jiggiei know23:48
Jiggiebut source you learn from building it23:48
walakibut it's very possible, that you need additional perl modules from cpan23:48
Jiggiewre is just too window slike23:48
Jiggieyep thats the problem23:48
Jiggieits building some and some does not work23:48
Jiggieweird23:48
Jiggiewhy can they just have 1 module with everything included23:48
walakithere's reason I suppose (o:23:49
walakiare you in cms biz?23:49
Jiggienope23:50
Jiggiebut the company i started to work for has the intranet and website made with this perl stuff23:51
Jiggieand now they want me to upgrade from a very old version to the new one they purchase23:51
walakiwhich new one? the stable is not here yet!23:55
Jiggie6.823:58
Jiggiethe old version is 6.223:58
Jiggiei think23:58
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Jiggiebb tomorrow00:04
walakithat's not so old00:06
walakiI think I would wait for the new stable, it's really close00:07
walakiwhich time zone are you?00:08
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walakisilence of the octopuses?13:07
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xdangermartin, what's the weather like in holland?14:31
+MrHairgrease30 degrees or so14:32
+MrHairgreasewww.knmi.nl14:32
xdangerhere it's only 25 or something like that14:32
xdangerbut this is our first summer in our new office, and I have to say that things are going to be warm this summer...14:33
+MrHairgreasethat's pretty hot for finland right?14:33
xdangerour summer isn't as cold as the winter ;)14:34
+MrHairgreaseour office is also 'cooled' by open windows.14:34
xdangerit's normally around 20 degrees...14:34
xdangerhttp://www.fmi.fi/14:34
xdangerjust would like to go to the beach and drink some beer or cider =)14:36
* MrHairgrease sips from his coffee14:36
xdangera question... How have you (if you have) done multi-lingual sites?14:37
xdangera different root or a different webgui for different languages?14:37
+MrHairgreaseyes14:41
+MrHairgreaseand use apache rewrite rules to redirect14:41
+MrHairgreaseso14:41
+MrHairgreaserewrite mycompany.com -> mycompany.com/en14:42
+MrHairgreasemycompany.nl -> mycompany.nl/nl14:42
+MrHairgreasehowever14:42
+MrHairgreaserewriterules used to fuck up in  6.814:42
+MrHairgreaseI dunno if that's still the case14:43
xdangerso different root, or different webgui? :)14:43
+MrHairgreaseit has to do with the fact that the wg handler is in an earlier apachecyclestage that the mod_rwrite handler14:43
+MrHairgreaseso the uri is fetched before it is rewritten14:43
+MrHairgreaseand wg doesn't take it into account14:44
+MrHairgreasedifferent root14:44
+MrHairgreasesame webgui14:44
xdangerwe'll I can do that with mod_proxy..14:44
+MrHairgreaseprolly yes14:44
+MrHairgreaselet me know how it works out14:44
xdangerI was thinking of using a different webgui, that way I get the right language 404 page, and errors..14:45
xdangersince there isn't a "language" column in assets =)14:45
+MrHairgreaseyeah14:45
xdanger(and that would be a great idea ;))14:45
+MrHairgreasebut you also have to duplicate collateral users groups14:45
+MrHairgreaseetc14:45
+MrHairgreasetwo diffrent webgui instances for the same site is a bad idea imho14:46
xdangerThat's now a problem, since there is something like 4 admins that have to be in the both..14:46
+MrHairgreaselanguage fields in the assettree have a lot of impact14:47
xdangerhow would JT react to a request for a langeuge info for an asset? =)14:47
+MrHairgreaseit's noteasy as you would think at first14:47
xdangerI know14:47
+MrHairgreaseyou can do that14:47
+MrHairgreasebut I think I know his answer =)14:47
xdangerI think this was talked about in the dev-list few years ago =(14:47
xdangerBut since wg is much more modular these days, it could be done more easily14:48
+MrHairgreaseyeah14:49
+MrHairgreasebut it is still very difficult14:49
xdangermaybe override something in session =)14:49
+MrHairgreaseespecially since we have versioning now14:49
xdangerbased on the assets language14:49
xdangerthat too...14:50
xdangerHmm.. I'll have to do some research about this =P14:52
Jiggieok back16:14
Jiggiemorning people16:15
+MrHairgreasehi16:15
+MrHairgreasegood afternoon16:16
Jiggieits 9 am16:16
+MrHairgreaseno it's 3pm16:16
+MrHairgreaseyou must be confused =)16:16
Jiggielo16:17
Jiggietime16:17
JiggieNY time16:17
Jiggiewhere can i download wrebuild-x.x.x-prereqs.tar.gz16:18
+MrHairgreasesf.net?16:18
+MrHairgreasesf.net/projects/pbwebgui that is16:18
+MrHairgreaseclick on files somewhere on the page16:18
Jiggieok16:20
Jiggiei'm giving up installing from source16:21
Jiggietoo many dependencies with perl16:21
Jiggieso gonna install wre on fedora core 516:21
xdangerperl dependencies are not that hard...16:22
+MrHairgreaselibapreq can suck very hard16:22
xdangerwe'll that16:23
xdangerbut the others ;)16:23
+MrHairgreaseit can be a pain16:24
+MrHairgreasehowever i have done it so often that i can almost dream it16:24
xdangerhaven't tried...16:24
+MrHairgreasebad nightmares =)16:24
xdangerwhat's the catch?16:24
xdangerhttp://ascii-wm.net/16:24
Jiggieso why not provide a link to a how to16:26
Jiggiecause every time i get one , it dependos on another one16:26
Jiggietoo much of a hassle16:26
+MrHairgreasemaybe I'll make an howto some day16:26
Jiggieand the cpan crap does not always buiild it cause its miussing some other crap16:26
+MrHairgreasebut right now I'm too busy16:26
+MrHairgreaseunfortunately16:26
Jiggiesomeday soon pls16:26
+MrHairgreaseI might add that we compile a brand new apache/perl/imagemagick/etc for each seperate wg instance we have16:27
+MrHairgreaseso we do not interact too much with the os16:28
+MrHairgreaseand the stuff it installs16:28
+MrHairgreaseonly some libs of course16:28
Jiggieif i can be of any help16:29
Jiggiei have fedora core 5 and rhES 416:29
Jiggieand they both require a shit load of stuff16:29
+MrHairgreaseI think or servers run gentoo16:29
Jiggienow i'm at the apache2 perl module needed16:29
+MrHairgreasebut I'm not 100% sure16:29
Jiggiei updated everything using yum and still16:30
+MrHairgreaselibapreq?16:30
+MrHairgreaseah16:30
Jiggieyep16:30
Jiggiethat needs something to install let me try again16:30
Jiggiemaybe you can help16:30
+MrHairgreaseI never tried to do it trhough package management stuff16:30
+MrHairgreaseso no16:30
+MrHairgreaseunfortunately16:30
Jiggiewell i downlaod the perl modules manually and install one by one16:30
Jiggiewhen it ask16:30
+MrHairgreaseI would try through the wre16:30
+MrHairgreaseasks what?16:31
Jiggiehe perl module Apache2::Request16:31
Jiggiei need that16:31
+MrHairgreaseIf you compile it by hand you need to pass it some params16:31
+MrHairgreaseIt doesn't work using cpan directly16:32
+MrHairgreaseit sucks16:32
Jiggiehere is what i get16:32
Jiggieconfigure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check16:32
Jiggiehow can i fix that16:32
+MrHairgreaseno idea16:32
Jiggielol16:32
+MrHairgreasenever saw that error16:32
+MrHairgreasehave you googled for it?16:32
Jiggiethis is a fresh install of fedora16:32
Jiggieyep16:32
Jiggiecompiler error16:32
+MrHairgreaseYou might try goin to the ~/.cpan/build/libapreq-etcetcetc16:36
+MrHairgreasedirectory16:36
+MrHairgreasethen do something like ./configure --help16:36
+MrHairgreaseand fill in most of the paths to you compiler and stuff16:37
+MrHairgreaseusing the commandline options16:37
Jiggiethis is what i think i need glibc-devel-2.4-816:37
+MrHairgreasemaybe16:37
+MrHairgreaseI can't tell16:37
+MrHairgreaseIt's a shame but I'm not a system guru =)16:38
Jiggiei'm16:38
Jiggiean expert on breaking them16:38
+MrHairgreasehey, me too!16:38
Jiggiewe can make tons of money16:38
Jiggieglibc-devel-2.4-8.i386.rpm is already installed16:38
Jiggieshit16:39
Jiggiewhen i istall it using the rpm manager it says its installed16:41
Jiggiewhen i do it command line it needs glib-headers16:41
JiggieChecking for module Apache2::Request:        Not Installed16:42
Jiggiecrap16:42
+MrHairgreaseare you sure it needs glib headers?16:43
+MrHairgreaseit prolly also need mod_perl headers16:43
+MrHairgreaseapache header files etc16:43
JiggiePlease tell me where I can find your apache src16:43
Jiggiethats what its asking for now16:44
Jiggielol16:44
Jiggieafter i installed the lib-headers16:44
Jiggieno more compiler error16:44
Jiggieits doing a make16:44
+MrHairgreaseI don't think it needs the source16:44
+MrHairgreaseonly header files16:44
Jiggiemod_perl-1.2916:44
Jiggieit seems to be working now16:45
Jiggiewohoo16:45
Jiggiedoing some giverish stuff16:45
+MrHairgreasedo not install mod[perl 1.29 !!!!16:45
+MrHairgreaseyou need m_p 216:45
+MrHairgreaseyou should specify --with-apxs=/my/apache/bin/apxs16:46
Jiggiewhere can i ge mod perl 216:50
Jiggiei'm very tired of looking around16:50
+MrHairgreaseyou need a package like apache-mod-perl-2.x16:50
+MrHairgreasedunno what the rpm is called in fedora16:50
+MrHairgreasejust search for mod_perl16:51
+MrHairgreaseor mod-perl16:51
+MrHairgreaseor apache perl16:51
+MrHairgreaseor something else =)16:51
Jiggieok16:52
JiggieName : mod_perl 16:57
JiggieVersion : 2.0.2 Vendor : Red Hat, Inc_16:57
JiggieRelease : 5.116:57
+MrHairgreasethat's the one16:57
+MrHairgreasenow you might be able to install libapreq trhough yum16:57
Jiggiemod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is already installed17:02
Jiggieweird17:02
+MrHairgreaseok17:02
Jiggiehow do i do it using yum17:02
Jiggiejust to make sure17:02
Jiggieerror: package mod_perl-2.0.2-5.1.i386.rpm is not installed17:04
Jiggielol17:04
Jiggieif i didnt hate windows17:04
Jiggiei would love it by now17:04
+MrHairgreaseha17:04
Jiggieall these linix crap17:04
Jiggiei miss my mac17:04
+MrHairgreasetry installing it on windows17:04
Jiggieit works on windows17:04
+MrHairgreasethat'll keep you busy for a looooong time17:05
Jiggiebut i cant export the database to windows from linux17:05
+MrHairgreasereally?17:05
+MrHairgreasewhy not?17:05
Jiggiedunno17:05
Jiggiethats what somebody here said17:05
Jiggiecause i had it owrking on windows17:05
Jiggiebut then i told them the versions that i had and they said it would not work17:05
Jiggiebecause its too old17:05
+MrHairgreasewell17:06
+MrHairgreaseI'm not 100% sure17:06
+MrHairgreasebut if you dump the db using mysqldump17:06
+MrHairgreaseand insert it into your linux mysql17:06
+MrHairgreaseusing the mysql command17:06
+MrHairgreasei reckon it'll work17:06
Jiggieit should work17:06
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:06
Jiggienot to worry17:06
Jiggieits gonna work on linux17:07
Jiggieit has too17:07
Jiggiealso i'm learning this way17:07
+MrHairgreaseheh17:08
Jiggiethe windows way i didnt learn shit17:08
+MrHairgreasethe glass is half full right?17:08
+MrHairgreasethat's true17:08
Jiggieor half empty17:10
JiggieAPACHE_SRC17:38
Jiggiewhere is that17:38
+MrHairgreasethat's an env variable right?17:38
+MrHairgreaseyou shouldn't need that17:39
+MrHairgreasedid you install the mod_perl and apache header files?17:39
Jiggiemod perl is installed17:39
Jiggieapache header will check17:40
+MrHairgreasealso17:42
+MrHairgreasetry lib apache request through yum again17:42
+MrHairgreaseit'll prolly save you trouble17:42
+MrHairgreaseI dunno how well prcompiled apache/mod_perl goes together with manually libapreq217:43
Jiggieso do a yum search apache request17:46
Jiggieor what17:46
+MrHairgreasesomthing like it17:48
JiggieMissing Dependency: multiarch-utils is needed by package apache2-devel17:49
JiggieMissing Dependency: perl-base is needed by package apache2-devel17:49
JiggieMissing Dependency: autoconf2.5 is needed by package apache2-devel17:49
JiggieMissing Dependency: automake1.7 is needed by package apache2-devel17:49
Jiggielol17:49
+MrHairgrease=)17:50
+MrHairgreaselinux: even more fun with a beer =)17:50
Jiggiei'm at work17:51
Jiggieso no beer for me17:51
Jiggiei never had problems with linux like this b417:51
+MrHairgreaseyeah17:52
+MrHairgreaseI know the feeling17:52
Jiggieinstalled 2 more dependencies17:58
Jiggielol17:58
Jiggielibtool17:58
Jiggielets see now17:58
Jiggie1/3): autoconf-2.59-7.no 100% |=========================| 641 kB    00:0417:58
Jiggie(2/3): automake-1.9.6-2.n 100% |=========================| 487 kB    00:0317:58
Jiggie(3/3): libtool-1.5.22-2.3 100% |=========================| 678 kB    00:0517:58
Jiggiewhere can i find ImageMagick18:15
+MrHairgreasepackage is called something like18:16
+MrHairgreaselib-perl-imagamagick18:16
+MrHairgreaseprolly best to search for magick18:16
Jiggielibgvc.so.218:31
Jiggieneed that to install imagemagik18:31
Jiggiehahaha18:31
+MrHairgreaseif you say so18:31
+MrHairgreasedon't you use yum for im?18:31
Jiggiei did18:32
Jiggieyum does not install image magik18:32
Jiggienow libpng12.so18:33
Jiggielol18:33
Jiggieis only 118:33
+MrHairgreaseheh18:33
+MrHairgreasehave fun compiling18:33
+MrHairgreasedon't forget to install freetype18:33
+MrHairgreaseor you won't be able to have fonts18:33
+MrHairgreasewhich you need for capcha's and the ueber cool graphs18:34
Jiggiegoing to yum extender18:35
Jiggieand its updating18:35
xdangerMrHairgrease: could you help me with something... just to verify that I'm not stupid...18:42
xdangerwe'll more stupid that I know..18:42
xdangerIf you have a navigation which does only include decentants, and you make it relative to root, it ignores the startpoint... thus includin decentant even if thei are "over" the startpoint?18:43
+MrHairgreaseit should always ignore the startpoint18:45
+MrHairgreaseif you want to include that select also self18:45
+MrHairgreaseI guess18:45
+MrHairgrease=)18:45
+MrHairgreaselong time since I really tried it18:45
+MrHairgreaseI'll email you a presentation of mine about it18:46
+MrHairgreasewhat's your email?18:46
xdangerI wan't to ignore them =)18:47
xdangerjukka.raimovaara@axxion.fi18:47
xdangerI want to have one navigation that doesn't display pages under the home page, which is directly under root..18:48
xdangerbut it displaye desentants of thous pages when on one of thouse pages =)18:48
+MrHairgreasehmm18:48
+MrHairgreasestarpoint: here18:49
+MrHairgreasedescendants18:49
+MrHairgreasedoes that work for you18:49
+MrHairgrease?18:49
Jiggieyum is installing a shitload of crap to satisfy dependencies18:49
xdangeryes, but then it'll include the desentants on the home page there...18:51
xdangeryou'll get the point: http://beta.axxion.fi/home18:51
+MrHairgreaseI do not understand18:52
+MrHairgreaseYou want this right18:52
+MrHairgreasethe descendants of the page you're on18:52
+MrHairgreaseright?18:52
xdangeryep, but not on the homepage...18:54
xdangeronly after /1/2/*18:55
xdangerI could do a different style template for the frontpage, but I just thought that the startpoins should work the way I want to18:56
+MrHairgreasestartpoints can be tricky18:59
+MrHairgreaseyou might try to set the startpoint to /home18:59
+MrHairgreasean use descendants18:59
+MrHairgreasewith an offset of /a/ (+1)18:59
+MrHairgreasesee the presentation I emailed you19:00
+MrHairgreaseI contains very nice examples19:00
xdangerbut again it will include /home/page[1-3]19:00
xdangerthat's pretty much the opposite efect that I wan't to do =)19:01
+MrHairgreaseyou do not want to include /home/page[1-3]?19:01
+MrHairgreasei thought only /home19:01
+MrHairgreasein that case set the offset to /a/b/19:02
xdangerthat doesn't work19:02
xdangerdesentants setting ignores the startpoint =)19:02
xdangerthat's what I'm trying to say..19:02
xdangerif your on /home I don't want it to include /home/page[1-3]19:03
xdangerbut when your on /home/page1 I want it to include /home/page1/page[1-3]19:04
+MrHairgreaseyeah I understand19:04
+MrHairgreasea moment19:04
+MrHairgreaseI'll look it up19:04
xdangerI'm not so good in explaining myswlf in english =)19:04
xdangers/mysqlf/myself/19:04
+MrHairgreasei know =)19:06
+MrHairgreaseok19:06
+MrHairgreasewhat is your start point type?19:06
xdangerrelative to root19:10
xdangerand if I set it to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (+6) it still displaye the sameway19:10
+MrHairgreaseoh19:10
+MrHairgreaseset what to /a/b/c/d/e/f/g (?19:11
+MrHairgreasethe descndant end point?19:11
Jiggiemod_perl-1.29  do i have to update that in order to run webgui on fc 519:12
+MrHairgrease1.29 is NOT good19:13
+MrHairgreaseyou need two19:13
Jiggiethats what cpan uses19:13
+MrHairgreasem_p 2 that is19:13
Jiggieso how can i upgrade19:13
+MrHairgreasedo you try to install Apache2::Request?19:13
Jiggieand make sure that cpan does not use that19:13
Jiggiethats what its doing right now19:13
Jiggieand its looking into that pod perl19:13
+MrHairgreaseok19:14
+MrHairgreasecancel19:14
Jiggiesuggestions?19:14
Jiggieok then waht19:14
+MrHairgreasego to ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache etc19:14
+MrHairgreasethan do a ./configure --help19:14
+MrHairgreaseand pass the correct parameters19:14
+MrHairgreaseyou prolly should do something like --with-apache2-apxs=/my/apache/in/apxs19:15
Jiggieso i should do that on a terminal..19:15
Jiggiejust to make sure19:15
+MrHairgreaseyeah19:15
+MrHairgreaseI you use cpan you must19:15
Jiggie?19:15
+MrHairgreaseyou used cpan to install Apache2::Request right?19:16
Jiggieyeah19:16
Jiggiei ran perl testE..19:16
Jiggieand it said apache:: requeste not installed19:16
Jiggieand it wanted to install19:16
Jiggieso i said yes19:16
Jiggieand its going19:16
+MrHairgreaseok19:16
+MrHairgreasebut if it wants to install mod_perl 1.2919:16
+MrHairgreasedon't let it19:17
+MrHairgreasejust cancel and do the stuff I just mentioned19:17
+MrHairgreaseon a terminal19:17
Jiggieso i should fix it how exactly19:17
+MrHairgreaseas root (probably)19:17
Jiggieok19:17
Jiggiei'm root19:17
+MrHairgreasevery good19:17
Jiggieand doing cd ~/.cpan/build/lib-apache19:17
Jiggielib-apache not there19:18
Jiggieonly folders in cpan are build - bundle - histfile - metadata - sources19:18
Jiggiewhat am i missing19:18
Jiggiehairgrease ?19:20
+MrHairgreaseit's called something like libapreq2 or so19:21
+MrHairgreasedo an ls -l ~/.cpan/build/*19:21
+MrHairgreaseyou should find it19:21
Jiggieok19:23
Jiggieno file lib1preq219:23
+MrHairgrease~/.cpan/build/libapreq2-2.07/19:23
+MrHairgreasethat's what it is at my place19:24
+MrHairgreaseif it isn't there19:24
Jiggieok in19:24
+MrHairgreasefound it?19:24
Jiggiethat directory yes19:24
+MrHairgreaseye19:24
+MrHairgrease./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"19:25
+MrHairgreasenow do that19:25
+MrHairgreasefill in the correct path to apxs19:25
+MrHairgreaseand perl19:25
+MrHairgreaseof course19:25
Jiggieok19:25
Jiggieis that default what you gave me19:25
+MrHairgreaseyeah19:26
Jiggieits configuring19:26
+MrHairgreasewell19:26
+MrHairgreaseI guess =)19:26
Jiggiei dind tknow it was so complicated to get it started19:26
Jiggiefrom fedora core 519:26
Jiggieit does not come with anything19:26
Jiggiebuild/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.19:28
Jiggieconfigure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)19:28
Jiggieno good19:28
+MrHairgreasepfff19:28
Jiggieso i should remove apache2 and re-install it19:28
+MrHairgreasepaste your exaxct line19:29
+MrHairgreasepls19:29
Jiggieyum remove apache2 like so?19:29
Jiggieor i can use the extender and remove from there19:29
Jiggiebuild/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.19:30
Jiggieconfigure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)19:30
Jiggiechecking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no19:30
Jiggie./configure: line 19919: -q: command not found19:30
Jiggie./configure: line 19933: -q: command not found19:30
Jiggie./configure: line 19937: -q: command not found19:30
Jiggie./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found19:30
Jiggie./configure: line 19941: -q: command not found19:30
Jiggiebuild/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.19:30
Jiggieconfigure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)19:30
+MrHairgreaseno19:30
+MrHairgreasethe ./configure line you typed.19:31
Jiggiethe same u gave me....19:31
+MrHairgreaseyeah but did you put in the apxs binary in the --with-apache2-apxs19:31
+MrHairgrease?19:31
Jiggie[root@intranet2 libapreq2-2.07]# ./configure --enable-perl-glue --with-apache2-apxs="" --with-perl="/usr/bin/perl"19:32
+MrHairgreasenot good19:32
Jiggiewhats missing19:32
+MrHairgrease--with-apache2-apxs=""19:32
+MrHairgreaseyou have to enter the path to the apxs binary19:32
Jiggiesearching for it now19:32
Jiggieusr/bin19:33
+MrHairgrease-with-apache2-apxs="/usr/bin/apxs"19:33
Jiggieok19:34
Jiggierunning19:34
xdangerMrHairgrease: I was talking aput the startpoint, so I set that to /a/b/c....19:34
+MrHairgreaseAs far as I can tell it should work19:36
+MrHairgreasemaybe it's a bug19:36
+MrHairgreaseyou can also try to  set start point type to specific url19:36
+MrHairgreaseand use home as startpoint19:36
+MrHairgreasethen descendants19:36
+MrHairgreaseoh wait19:37
+MrHairgreasethat prolly doesn't work19:37
+MrHairgreaseb/c it includes /home/page[123]19:37
xdangerMrHairgrease: ok, go to a demo, change the main navigation, set the startpoint to a lower point, It changes nothing..19:44
xdangerhttp://demo.plainblack.com/demo1150216930_416/home19:44
Jiggiesame error19:45
Jiggiebuild/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'.19:45
Jiggieconfigure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/)19:45
+MrHairgreaseOk19:46
+MrHairgreaseI don't know anymore19:46
+MrHairgreaseand I have to go home19:46
+MrHairgreaseit's about 18:45 here and 30 degrees or so19:47
* MrHairgrease need... fresh.. air19:47
+MrHairgreasesucces19:47
+MrHairgreaselater19:47
Jiggiehumm19:48
Jiggieu going for a smoke19:48
+MrHairgreaseno19:48
+MrHairgreasefor a meal19:48
+MrHairgreaseand a lot of booze19:48
+MrHairgrease=)19:48
+MrHairgreasebye19:49
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Jiggiexdanger19:49
Jiggiecan u be of help19:49
Jiggiebrb19:51
Jiggieneed to reboot19:51
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@rizenmartin...are you actually here?17:50
+MrHairgreaseyes17:50
@rizencool17:50
@rizeni need you to talk with one of my writers17:51
@rizenshe's putting together an article on the new features in 717:51
+MrHairgreaseok17:51
+MrHairgreasewhen17:51
+MrHairgreasehow17:51
+MrHairgreasewhat17:51
@rizenright now17:51
@rizeni'm getting her an irc client17:51
+MrHairgreasehow long will it take?17:51
@rizen5 minutes once she gets on17:52
+MrHairgreaseoh17:52
@rizenshe's downloading a client now17:52
+MrHairgreasethat's all right17:52
+MrHairgreaseI'm merging part of the asset tree in one database17:52
@rizenit's just a paragraph or two about sql form17:52
+MrHairgreasewith one in another17:52
@rizenwhoa17:52
@rizenhow's that working out for you?17:53
+MrHairgreasevery tiresome17:53
+MrHairgreaseI had the script working17:53
+MrHairgreasebut it did not take inaccount17:53
+MrHairgreasethe ordering on layouts17:53
+MrHairgreaseanyway17:53
+MrHairgreaseI've wasted enough time on it17:53
+MrHairgreaseoh17:53
+MrHairgreaseand it can only handle two type of assets17:53
+MrHairgreaseit ignores the rest17:54
+MrHairgreasebut that suits my needs17:54
@rizenif they're all assets..then you should be able to import them all using the same asset ids17:54
@rizenand therefore your layout's won't get foobared17:54
@rizenguids are unique17:54
+MrHairgreasehmmm17:54
+MrHairgreasemaybe17:55
+MrHairgreaseI thought about that17:55
+MrHairgreasebut I decided not to17:55
+MrHairgreasenot quite sure why anymore17:55
@rizenthat's the principle that the package exports work from17:55
+MrHairgreaseok17:55
@rizenin fact..you may be able to use the code from the packages system to do this17:55
+MrHairgreasebut how do you handle collateral17:55
@rizendepending upon what  assets you have17:55
@rizenare they both webgui 7 sites?17:55
+MrHairgreaseand changed templateId's and stuff17:56
+MrHairgreaseno it's 6.something -> 6.817:56
@rizenok, so you can't literally use the packages system17:56
+MrHairgreaseanyway17:56
@rizenbut you could use the principles17:56
+MrHairgreaseI have the script working17:56
@rizenok17:56
@rizeni'll shut up now then17:56
@rizen=)17:56
xdangerrizen: in the v7 there is wgpackages... when you import one and guid:s collide, does it autogenerate a new one for the importet one?17:56
+MrHairgreaseI only have to update the contentpositions17:56
@rizenno..if they collide, then it assumes it is a new version of the same asset17:57
@rizenand creates a new revision of it17:57
xdangero, of course..17:57
xdangerstupid of me =)17:57
+MrHairgreasebut the chance of colliding guids is very slim17:57
@rizenit's ultra slim17:57
@rizenthe biggest danger of colliding guids actually comes from guids that are manually entered by humans17:58
+MrHairgreasejt17:58
+MrHairgreasehow do you handle lineage in the way you just described17:59
@rizenyou have to generate a new lineage, but you use the old lineage to do the ordering18:00
@rizenso you order by old lineage18:00
@rizenand then just walk the tree18:00
xdangerrizen: a question... I have to do a multi-lingual site, and I'm considering that I install one site with finnish content and finnis as default language and another with english...18:00
@rizendoing addChild/addRevision18:00
xdangerIs it possible to have the default language changed depending on the root that your in?18:01
+MrHairgreaseI'm doing addchilds18:01
+MrHairgreasecan you pass the assetId with that method?18:01
@rizenthe code is simple18:01
@rizensub importAssetData {18:01
@rizen        my $self = shift;18:01
@rizen        my $data = shift;18:01
@rizen        my $id = $data->{properties}{assetId};18:01
@rizen        my $class = $data->{properties}{className};18:01
@rizen        my $version = $data->{properties}{revisionDate};18:01
@rizen        my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class, $version);18:01
@rizen        if (defined $asset) { # update an existing revision18:01
@rizen                $asset->update($data->{properties});18:01
@rizen        } else {18:01
@rizen                $asset = WebGUI::Asset->new($self->session, $id, $class);18:01
@rizen                if (defined $asset) { # create a new revision of an existing asset18:01
@rizen                        $asset = $asset->addRevision($data->{properties}, $version);18:02
@rizen                } else { # add an entirely new asset18:02
@rizen                        $asset = $self->addChild($data->{properties}, $id, $version);18:02
@rizen                }18:02
@rizen        }18:02
@rizen        return $asset;18:02
@rizen}18:02
+MrHairgreaseso you can set the assetId's to whatever you want?18:02
@rizenyou can pass in an asset id to addChild18:02
* MrHairgrease cheers18:02
+MrHairgreasethat's great18:03
+MrHairgreaseI thought it would autogenerate18:03
@rizenxdanger: langauges are a user level thing, not a content level thing18:03
@rizenat the content level everything is UTF-818:03
@rizenand therefore you can put as many languages on the same page as you want, or on seperate pages18:04
xdangerJust that the i18n for a visitor is allways the same18:04
@rizenright18:04
xdangerThe errors are in one language...18:04
xdangerlogins..18:04
xdangerstuff like that18:04
@rizennot really18:04
@rizenon a dual language site18:05
@rizenyou can create your own login boxes18:05
@rizenand use one language in one18:05
xdangerwe'll that ok =)18:05
@rizenand another language in another18:05
xdangerbut my main problem is the errors, and "not found" page =)18:05
@rizeni agree that multi-lingual sites are more difficult18:05
@rizenand there's stuff you have to work around18:05
@rizenbut tis the nature of working in a multi-lingual18:05
@rizenwebgui isn't designed to do the multi lingual content object thing18:06
@rizenwhere you create one content object18:06
@rizenand add revisions for each language18:06
xdangerI just think that I'm going to set some metadata that defines on which site it is in...18:06
xdangerad do some macros, so that I won't have to have to seperate webguis..18:07
@rizenprobably a good idea18:07
xdangerfor one site18:07
@rizeni don't ever build multi-lingual sites...so i don't have any tips for you18:07
@rizenyou should talk to some of the w3 members18:07
xdanger^If(<tmpl_var url> =~ ^/en/, english, finnish);18:09
xdanger=D18:09
@rizenno if macro anymore18:09
xdangerI have =)18:09
xdangercan't live with out18:09
@rizenit's much safer if you create custom if macros for each occasion18:10
xdangerI know..18:10
xdangerbut, now I have to go to play some soccer (football here in the europe)18:10
+MrHairgreasebreak a leg =)18:11
xdangerrizen: where could I ask the some w3 member?18:11
@rizenwebguiworldwide.org18:11
@rizenthen follow the links to their sites18:12
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+MrHairgreasejt19:27
+MrHairgreasein layouts19:27
+MrHairgreasethe assets in the first contentposition19:27
+MrHairgreaseare they also in the contentpositions field in the layout table?19:27
@rizenthey may or may not be19:29
@rizenif they have been explicitly moved to the first position19:29
@rizenthen they will be19:29
@rizenotherwise, if they are not defined at all in any content position19:29
@rizenthey will automatically be added to the end of the first content position19:29
@rizenin order of rank19:29
+MrHairgreaseok19:29
+MrHairgreasethanks19:29
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tamraycrythias, the url is www.mrved.org. you will see the problem21:07
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Jiggiesup people21:10
Jiggieback for more questions21:10
Jiggielo21:10
Jiggieit would be nice to insert a space here21:13
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Jiggie5) Make a /data folder and make it writable by you21:13
Jiggie    sudo mkdir /data21:13
Jiggie    sudo chown you /data21:13
Jiggie6) Run build.sh21:13
Jiggie    ./build.sh21:13
Jiggie5a) copy the files from wre to data folder21:14
Jiggienow tell us where build.sh is located21:14
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Jiggiehalf finised documents21:14
Jiggiewhere can i find  build.sh21:26
Jiggiein the wqre folders21:26
Jiggieall i cna find is binbuild.sh under /data/source/apache/httpd21:26
+crythiasheya21:36
+crythiassorry. was out for a sec21:36
+crythiasyou there, tamray?21:36
+crythias:)21:36
+crythiasJiggie: build.sh is in the wre21:37
tamrayHere I am21:37
+crythiashowdy21:38
tamrayHi there21:38
+crythiasheh21:38
+crythiasno menus defined21:38
tamrayright, how do I get it back21:39
+crythiasdunno. but I can't log on anyway :)21:39
tamrayif you would like I can change the passwd21:39
+crythiascoolmenu is balking21:40
Jiggiecrythias i just did a search and its not there21:40
Jiggiewhere exaclty should i perform that ./build.sh command21:41
+crythiasthere's the wre and the wre source21:41
Jiggieinside what folder21:41
+crythiasone moment please21:41
+crythiaswhich wre?21:42
Jiggiei downloaded the wre21:43
+crythias0.7.1?21:43
Jiggieextracted and inside it extracted the pre-req21:43
Jiggiewre-0.7.1-rhel-3-i38621:43
+crythiasdon't need to build that.21:43
+crythiasIIRC21:43
Jiggieso then what21:43
Jiggiei guess new docs are inside21:43
+crythiasthat'd be a binary install, yeah. docs inside21:44
Jiggieok brb21:44
+crythiasif I understand correctly, you'd just expand that inside your /data21:44
+crythiasand it'd run21:44
+crythiaswell, more or less. you'd have to run the setup21:45
tamraythe password is changed to what we used before21:45
+crythiasfine21:46
+crythiasI'm clicking edit on the menu21:46
+crythiaszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz21:46
+crythiasstart point is root +1 and ..21:47
+crythias*snore*21:47
+crythiassorry.21:47
+crythiasclicking self gave me home.21:47
tamrayclicking home to get home would be good21:48
+crythias'kay21:48
+crythiascache21:49
+crythiasvisitor cache is 5 minutes21:49
+crythiasby default21:49
tamrayand?21:49
+crythiasI"m not certain what you want :)21:49
+crythiaslog on as admin21:49
tamrayI am now21:50
+crythiasHey rizen, wassup? Wisconsin is a bit away from Chicago :)21:51
tamrayI see it now. What did you have to do?21:51
@rizenindeed21:52
+crythiastamray: in navigation, clicked [x]self21:52
tamrayin navigation found in assets?21:53
+crythiasthere's a compass thing on the left.. (edit) <-- click21:54
tamraywhat am I supposed to see, besides copy, manage, view?21:56
+crythiasstuff at the bottom of the first tab of the navigation.21:59
tamrayduh, I have never scrolled down to the bottom to see the other controls21:59
tamraypretty soon I will be a novice.22:00
tamrayThanks again22:00
+crythias:)22:01
@rizengerald, are you coming to the wuc?22:04
+crythiasI want to so bad22:07
+crythiasI may be moving in or about that time.22:08
@rizenyou really need to be there22:09
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@rizenincidentally22:09
@rizenassume for a minute that you do come22:09
@rizenare there any birds of a feather sessions that you'd want to run?22:10
@rizeni'm considering arranging that our rooms are available thursday night22:10
@rizenso that people that want to run BOFs can have the rooms and wifi to do it22:10
@rizenkeep in mind that bofs don't have to necessarily be webgui related...though those will be given preference on the room space22:11
+crythiasnot off the top of my head. let me think :)22:12
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+crythiasheya22:13
nbcccorpHey Rizen, do you have a moment to discuss CVS with me? (not related to wg)22:13
@rizeni suppose22:13
nbcccorpOk. Gerald and I were just talking and he thought you might have some comments on this.22:14
nbcccorpI need to keep two seperate sites in sync with each other. Each site has a 50 person engineering dept22:14
nbcccorpthe engineers use a 3D modeling package called Solid Edge22:14
nbcccorpSE creates 'assemblies' which are basically sets of files which comprise the various parts of a model22:15
nbcccorpthese assemblies are usually pretty large >100MB22:15
nbcccorpeach file in the assembly may not be but all together they are.22:16
nbcccorpwhen SE opens an assembly it opens all files22:16
nbcccorpthe locations are in rural locations that have only T-1's available.22:16
nbcccorpSo I am trying to find a reliable, fairly simple way to keep the files in both locs and keep them in sync.22:16
nbcccorpI don't want a person in one location to be able to edit an assembly that a person in the other location is working on.22:17
nbcccorpGerald suggested that cvs might work.22:17
@rizencvs won't work22:18
@rizenbecause it's concurrent22:18
nbcccorpfair enough.22:18
@rizensame thing with subversion22:18
@rizenfiles don't get locked22:18
nbcccorpever heard of anything that might work?22:18
@rizenhonestly...i don't know what could possibly work for what you want to do22:18
@rizenrsync would work good for keeping things in sync between locations22:19
@rizenbut that doesn't do locking22:19
+crythiashttp://subversion.tigris.org/svn_1.2_releasenotes.html22:19
nbcccorpthat is the problem. I have tried a number of different things but we also have probs with the way that Solid Edge does file locking (real PoS)22:19
@rizenyeah..the only thing i can think of22:20
@rizenis you need to look at document managment systems22:20
@rizensome of them allow for remote syncrhonization22:20
@rizenand all of them allow for file locking22:20
@rizenor at least the good ones22:21
@rizenhowever, doc man sys's are expensive22:21
@rizenunless you can find an open source one22:21
nbcccorpok. thanks for the time.22:21
nbcccorpmoney really isn't an issue on this one.22:21
@rizensearch google for "document management system"22:21
nbcccorpif we could get one the client is willing to pay for a p-p T322:21
+crythiasgtgttyl8r22:29
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Jiggiewhat can i do here23:12
JiggieWhich mirror would you like to download from? [Houston, TX]23:12
JiggieDownloading from mirror:                Failed! Couldn't get file.23:12
JiggieGetting mirrors list:                   OK23:12
@rizenchoose plain black23:13
@rizenit's always up23:13
@rizenalthough, plainblack will only show up in the mirrors list if you're using WRE 0.7.0 or higher23:13
@rizenif you're using wre 0.6 or below...you'll need to manually download the file from getwebgui.com23:14
Jiggiei'm using 0.7.123:14
Jiggiei chose houston TX23:14
Jiggiethats all it shows23:14
Jiggieand it says failed23:14
@rizenreally?23:14
@rizenwhoa23:14
@rizenlet me check it out23:14
Jiggieanyway to get back to the list and choose local23:14
Jiggieinstead23:15
Jiggiehich mirror would you like to download from? [local]23:15
JiggieDownloading from mirror:                Failed! Couldn't get file.23:15
JiggieGetting mirrors list:                   OK23:15
Jiggieplainblack = Houston, TX23:15
JiggieWhich mirror would you like to download from? [local] plainblack23:15
JiggieDownloading from mirror:                Failed! Couldn't get file.23:15
JiggieGetting mirrors list:                   OK23:15
Jiggieplainblack = Houston, TX23:15
JiggieWhich mirror would you like to download from? [plainblack] Houston, TX23:15
JiggieDownloading from mirror:                Failed! Couldn't get file.23:15
JiggieGetting mirrors list:                   OK23:15
Jiggieplainblack = Houston, TX23:15
Jiggieany way to tell the installer to use local from this point23:16
@rizenwhat version number did you type in23:16
Jiggielike put the path of the file23:16
@rizendid you leave the default?23:16
@rizenwebgui version23:16
@rizen6.99.3-beta23:16
Jiggieno the latest gamma23:16
@rizenok...that's part of the problem23:17
@rizenyou can't use the latest gama23:17
@rizenwith wre 0.723:17
@rizenwre 0.7 is for WebGUI 6.99 and WebGUI 7.023:17
@rizenso you need to control - C23:17
@rizenand kill the upgrade23:18
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walakihi23:19
@rizenhowdy23:19
walakitired, have't slept for 38 hours23:19
@rizenhaven't slept well for 6 months23:20
@rizen=)23:20
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walakiwhy?23:20
@rizenworking on webgui 7 and all that it entails23:21
@rizeni can sleep when it goes gold in a few weeks23:21
walakiit's that much work?23:21
@rizen20,000 hours worth of work23:21
@rizenbetween 6.0.0 and 7.0.023:22
@rizennot all mine, but mostly mine23:22
@rizeni'm 14,000 of that 20,00023:22
walakiI just can't imagine how do you guys get yourselves work that much without force23:22
@rizenit's my business...i have a vested interest23:23
@rizeni work this hard for me, so i never have to work for anyone else again23:23
walakiI see23:23
walakiactually I have done a project with wg23:24
walakiand I'm afraid it will not pay off ver well considering the hours spent23:24
@rizeni'm sorry to hear that23:25
walakibut as I know better wg I got ver interested in it23:25
@rizenwould it have cost you more hours if you did it all from scratch23:25
@rizenwithout webgin?23:25
@rizenwebgui?23:25
walakiit's not so big project I just want to spread the ghost of e-learning at my school, and becaouse they bought wg to the e-l framework I tried to do some exam making with it23:26
Jiggieok killed the installation23:26
Jiggieshould i re-run it or how can i continue from that p[art getting webgui23:26
walakimy learning curve was soooooo long, I have to know perl, then dig into the sources, I could really use some more docs23:27
@rizenare you going to now get 6.99?23:27
@rizenwalaki: yup...and they will come23:27
@rizenwe weren't putting out new docs during 6.x23:27
@rizencuz stuff was changing so rapidly23:27
Jiggiei guess23:27
Jiggieno choice right23:28
walakiyeah I read23:28
@rizenonce 7 goes gold23:28
@rizenthere will be much more23:28
@rizenjiggie: you can download wre 0.623:28
@rizenif you prefer to run webgui 6.823:28
@rizenjiggie:23:29
@rizenif you want to stick with what you have23:29
@rizenthen do this:23:29
@rizendelete /data/wre23:29
@rizenre extract it23:29
@rizenrun setup23:29
Jiggie6.99 downloaded23:29
@rizenand when you get to the webgui install23:29
@rizenjust leave the defaults23:29
Jiggieok23:29
@rizenand it will work23:29
Jiggieso do everything again23:29
Jiggiei get it23:29
@rizeni just did it23:29
@rizenand it worked23:30
Jiggiethis is for our intranet23:30
Jiggiedont want to have bugs on it23:30
@rizenbut your site won't go live right away, right?23:30
Jiggienope23:30
Jiggiei must import the old site 6.2 i think into this one23:30
@rizenok...webgui 7.0.0 (stable)23:30
@rizenwill be out in 2 weeks23:30
@rizenoh23:30
Jiggieto make sure that the (Paid)  layout works23:30
@rizenwell that's a different story23:30
@rizenupgrading from 6.2 to 7.0 takes a couple of steps23:31
Jiggiehow much different will it be23:31
Jiggieand will it be different23:31
@rizen6.2 -> 6.623:31
Jiggiei'm going to need lots of help23:31
@rizen6.6 -> 6.823:31
@rizen6.8 -> 6.99 (or 7.0)23:31
@rizenyou should consider purchasing support23:31
@rizenif you buy phone support...we'll do the upgrade for you 100%23:32
Jiggiehow much $$$$$23:32
Jiggiei have to save money23:32
@rizen$5000 per year23:32
Jiggiethis company is not that $$$$23:32
Jiggiehahahah23:32
Jiggiethey will fire my ass23:32
Jiggiefor that kind of money23:32
@rizenok...well then you'll have to work through it23:33
@rizenjust remember the upgrade steps i said above23:33
@rizenyou need to make those steps23:33
@rizenor it won't work23:33
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Jiggiemorning people16:38
xdangergood afternoon16:40
Jiggieha16:49
Jiggiehey what permissions should i have on the logs folder under wre16:50
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Jiggiecrythias wanted me to see log files there but they are emty folders16:50
+MrHairgreaserw by the user webgui runs as16:52
+MrHairgreasethe rest r16:53
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+crythiasrizen: what's the best way to clean formparam if it's being fed to a sql statement?19:30
@rizenclean?19:31
@rizenwhat do you mean by clean?19:31
+crythiasmysql escaped19:31
@rizenin an sql form, or in code?19:31
@rizensql report i mean19:31
+crythiasgot a user who's trying to pass formparam to sqlext. unfortunately 's make it cack19:32
@rizeni don't know what sqlext is19:32
@rizenis that a macro?19:32
+crythiasyeah.19:32
+crythiasit expects a statement19:32
+crythiasso it can't parse bad values passed within the statement string19:33
@rizenhave you tried the Quote() macro19:33
@rizenthat's what it's there fore19:33
@rizen^Quote(^FormParam(fieldName););19:34
+crythiasmakes sens to me. thanks muchly.19:35
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Jiggiehey anyone around21:41
@rizenjust barely21:44
Jiggiei'm still in need of some help with webgui21:47
Jiggiealways missing something21:47
@rizensorry man...i don't do free support21:47
@rizenyou need to talk to gerald21:47
@rizenor someone in the community21:47
@rizenif you want that21:47
+crythiashi21:59
+crythiasJiggie .. wassup22:00
+crythiasbtw... rizen why isn't FormParam escaped, generally?22:03
@rizencuz it isn't always used to push stuff into a database22:05
@rizeni can also be used to just display the contents of a form parameter on a page22:05
@rizenor who knows what else22:05
+crythiasyep. that's what I thought. SQL reports that use formparam (unless ?) need to be checked for injection vulns. I think I'll write that up on my faq.22:06
@rizenyou shouldn't use formparam on sql reports22:09
@rizensql reports have something called placeholders that you should use to gather form data in a taint safe way22:10
+crythiasyep22:10
@rizenbtw...wasn't it you that wanted a wiki thing in webgui?22:10
+crythiaswell, I was trying to see how one might work.22:11
@rizeni designed one last night22:12
@rizeni don't know when or if i'll get around to building it22:12
@rizenbut it shouldnt' be hard to build when the time comes22:12
+crythiashow do you address WikiWords?22:12
@rizenTwo assets22:13
@rizentwo asset classes22:13
@rizenWikiMaster: think of this like a collaboration system22:13
@rizenWikiPage: think of this like CS Thread22:13
@rizenThe titles of pages under WIkiMaster22:14
@rizenare all fair game as wikiwords22:14
@rizenthat autolink22:14
@rizeneverytime a WikiPage is added to the WikiMaster22:15
@rizenit updates a cache in the WikiMaster22:15
@rizenso that it doesn't have to search all the pages on every page view22:15
@rizenand from there, it's just a find and replace22:15
@rizenstyle, who can add/edit, and other global properties of the wikipages22:17
@rizenare inherited from the wikimaster22:17
@rizenjust like in the collaboration system22:17
+crythiasif someone types a wikipage with GeraldYoung in it... is it recognized as a WikiWord?22:20
@rizenIf the page exists yes.22:21
@rizenI haven't figured out the autolinking of non-existant pages yet22:21
@rizenBut i think it will be easy22:22
@rizenI only spent about an hour on it last night.22:22
@rizenBut I got most of it figured out22:22
@rizenI also think that I wouldn't use wiki language22:22
@rizenInstead, use the rich editor22:22
@rizenExcept for linking WikiWords, etc22:22
@rizenTake the best parts of Wiki, and replace the things that aren't as easy22:23
@rizenFor example..Is it easier to use a rich editor to bold something.22:23
+crythiasI'm not above/beyond rich editor for markup22:23
@rizenOr is it easier to type22:23
@rizen'''this is bold'''22:23
+crythiasyeah. how many apostrophes?22:24
@rizenthree for bold22:24
@rizen2 for italics22:24
@rizenetc22:24
@rizenit's bs22:24
+crythiasagree22:24
@rizenThe reason I'm having a problem with linking non-existant wikiwords22:25
@rizenis because i want to do something that isn't really straight wiki22:25
@rizenI'm cataloging titles22:25
@rizenand titles can have spaces22:25
@rizenwhere wikiwords22:25
@rizenare just camelcase22:25
@rizenno spaces22:25
@rizenI think instead of linking non existant stuff22:26
@rizenin order to link it22:26
+crythiasmight I suggest at least obeying the structure of underscores for spaces?22:26
@rizenyou must use the add link at the bottom of the page22:26
@rizenWhy?22:26
@rizenJust because wiki has those limitations22:26
@rizenwhy should we be limited by it22:27
@rizenwhy not create a more powerful wiki system22:27
+crythiasjust was a thought of ... nm. just thinking out loud about the way urls are generated...22:27
+crythiaswithin wg.22:27
@rizenwebgui urls will still be generated the same way with this22:27
@rizenso your resulting url will be22:27
@rizenwiki-master-url/wiki-page-title-urlized22:28
@rizenbut when I type22:28
@rizenWiki Page Title22:28
@rizenit will auto link22:28
@rizenwiki-master-url/wiki-page-title-urlized22:28
@rizenso if i was to write this into webgui, do you think anyone would actually use it?22:39
@rizeni was thinking it might be cool to add a section like this to the documentation22:39
@rizenbut i don't know if anyone would actually contribute22:39
+crythiasI've had at least two people kind of sort of ask. I think GregHacke might as well22:40
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walakihi23:02
@rizenhi23:02
walakiI just wonder what do you do for fun?23:08
@rizenme?23:09
walakiyep23:10
@rizenlots of things23:10
@rizenwatch movies23:10
@rizenbuild robots23:10
@rizentinker on alternative energy (building windmills and electric cars etc)23:10
@rizenmake and play games23:11
@rizenand webgui is a hell of a lot of fun too23:11
@rizenat least most of the time23:11
walakiwhat movies do you like?23:16
@rizenmostly horror and comedy23:16
@rizenbut generally any movie is good23:16
@rizenexcept for british period pieces23:16
@rizenand baliwood musicals23:16
@rizenwhat do you do?23:18
walakigraduating23:19
@rizenwhat did you go to school for?23:19
walakiso I mostly learn, IT and a what could I call it... engineer-teacher23:20
walakiwould get a bsc and I like to go for msc23:20
walakiand beside I have to work, for I am old23:20
@rizenhow old are you?23:22
walaki2823:22
@rizenbah23:22
@rizeni'm way older than you23:22
@rizenok...maybe not way older23:22
@rizen3223:22
walakiyeah, but you are a successful business man23:23
@rizenbusinessman maybe23:23
@rizensuccessful23:23
@rizennot yet23:23
@rizenlots of work to do there23:23
walakiand I just have to figure out what to do in my life, for I'm interested in sooo many things23:24
@rizenhehe23:24
@rizenif i can offer any piece of advice...do something you love23:24
walakihard work is good if it pays23:24
@rizeni used to work in a big corporate environment before building my own company23:24
walakibut if I do something I love then I can't do the other thing(s) I love, big problem of mine!23:25
@rizeni made 4 times as much as i do now23:25
@rizenbut i love what i'm doing now23:25
+crythias:)23:25
+crythiasrizen: may I inquire as to why the move to Wisconsin?23:25
@rizenit's where both sarah and i are from23:26
@rizenalmost all of my employees live in wisconsin23:26
@rizencost of living is quite a bit less as well23:26
@rizenso lots of reasons23:26
+crythiascertainly all good ones :)23:27
+crythiasMy move (if  I can sell) will be because my son should have a back yard.23:28
+crythiasbut I can't list effectively until Aug/Sep23:28
@rizenback yards are nice for kids23:28
+crythiasI think I'd be closer to colin :)23:29
@rizenbut also something nice for kids is a nearby park...and actually better for kids in my opinion23:29
@rizenmore exercise23:29
@rizenmore socialization23:29
+crythiasstill tough to grow up in a condo.23:29
@rizeni grew up on a farm23:29
walakiok guys I grew up in the country, and I think there are less possibilities for kids23:29
@rizenlots of space to stretch my legs23:30
@rizenbut it sucked from a social point of view23:30
+crythiasI'm interested in culdesac living :)23:30
@rizeni have had to work thru lots of social problems because of lack of socialization23:30
@rizenew23:30
walakiso I definitely will kids in the town23:30
@rizeni'm interested in downtown living23:30
+crythiasgive me a big Internet pipe. after that, it's all gravy.23:31
@rizeni agree with walaki23:31
@rizentwo against one23:31
+crythiasheh.23:31
@rizengerald, you're wrong23:31
@rizencuz there are two of us23:31
+crythias*gasp*23:31
@rizenand only one of you23:31
+crythiasyou're just saying that 'cause you're being antisocial.23:31
+crythias:)23:31
+crythiasI'm not talking country livin. just suburbia.23:32
@rizenyeah...way worse23:32
@rizenit's not the best of country and town23:33
@rizenit's the worst of both23:33
+crythiashrm. no traffic and yet... near people.23:33
@rizenyou get some space...but not much23:33
@rizennot close enough to walk anywhere23:33
walakiyeah I would dreom of that, but I just get very happy if I can get my own place in the town (will be probalbly a 30 m^2 whole)23:33
+crythias4/2.5, 3000 sq ft, den, game room, wet bar, jaqcuzzi..23:34
walakithe good solution IMO to get rich enough to have property in the city and in the country23:34
+crythiashis'n'hers segways. :)23:35
walakihave a nece day guys, I have to go to bed23:37
walakibye23:37
@rizenbye23:37
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+crythiaswhat options to conditionally display an asset based upon a form?23:41
+crythiasa field in a form.23:42
@rizennone per se23:42
@rizenthere are a couple of ways to do it23:43
@rizenbut not directly the way you suggest23:43
@rizenthe options are:23:43
@rizena) create a macro that calls an asset proxy conditionally23:43
@rizenb) set the asset to be viewable by a group the user is not in23:43
@rizenand then23:43
@rizenb1) use a scratch variable and a form to conditionally add the user to the group for the duration of their session23:44
@rizenb2) use auto add groups so that the user can permanently become part of the group23:44
+crythiasslight alteration of subject ... I'm thinking of a cleansing macro... somehow pass ^cleanse(actionAssetId,[[field, filter, required],[field,filter,required]);23:48
@rizento what end?23:49
+crythiasa way to pre-vet a form before it goes to a insert-into-db macro...23:49
@rizenis this you building a site for someone?23:50
@rizenwhy not just build a macro that does the whole thing..beginning to end23:50
@rizendisplay the form23:50
@rizenretrieve the form contents23:50
@rizensubmit to the database23:50
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nbcccorpanyone around who is willing to give me a hand with a javascript problem in wg?05:41
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Jiggiesup people back again with more questions18:38
+crythiashi18:38
Jiggiesup18:38
Jiggiei got mod perl to come up now18:38
Jiggiei decided to run it on windows first and make sure it works then go back to the linux box18:39
Jiggiewe are changing hardware18:39
Jiggieanyways18:39
Jiggiei got the windows version up and running and i can log in and everything18:39
Jiggienow if i wanted to import a linux database into the windows, can it be done?18:40
+crythiassure18:40
+crythiasmysqldump is your friend18:40
Jiggiei dont know how to use mysql18:46
Jiggiei know i can export it form linux but when i bring it to windows..18:46
Jiggiehow do i import it18:46
Jiggiejust picked up a book on mysql18:47
+crythiasit's like this: old: mysqldump -uuser -ppassword databasename > dumpfile.sql18:48
+crythiasnew: mysql -uuser -ppasword databasename < dumpfile.sql18:48
+crythiasjust make certain you're not overwriting something you want to keep18:48
Jiggiethe windows system is clean just loaded the wre, so just want to import the database to see if anything breaks18:49
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mindspinhi, is there a wayto run WebGUI 5.8.x and 6.x together on the same machine?11:33
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Jiggiesup guys23:44
+crythiashowdy23:44
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Jiggieyoooo23:45
Jiggieplease help23:48
Jiggiepower outage and webgui now wont load23:48
JiggieCan't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446.23:49
+crythiasyeah.23:50
+crythiasgenerally means mysql might not be running?23:50
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Jiggieso i should just start my sql00:00
Jiggiemy sql is running00:01
Jiggieit was i mean00:01
+crythiasgenerally speaking this means that index.pl doesn't know how to get to your .conf's logins00:04
+crythiaswebgui version?00:06
Jiggie6.200:09
Jiggievery old00:09
Jiggiethats why we are trying to upgrade to the latest00:09
+crythiasyep. index.pl can't see the .conf00:10
Jiggiewhere is that file00:11
+crythiasin your docroot00:11
Jiggiewhat do i need to edit then00:11
Jiggiethe index.pl or the config and what does it need to be00:11
+crythiasdo you have command line access?00:11
Jiggieyes00:12
+crythiasyou should perl index.pl and see if it renders as a web page or as errors00:12
Jiggiewhere can i find the index.pl00:14
+crythiasit's in your documentroot00:15
+crythiasDocumentRoot is defined in httpd.conf00:15
Jiggieok found it00:15
Jiggieso now i should just do perl index.pl00:16
Jiggieso now i should just do "perl index.pl"00:16
Jiggiethanks for the help btw00:16
+crythiassure00:16
+crythiasand.. yes00:16
Jiggieasking for some sudo password00:18
+crythiasyeah, probably'd be good to try it as root, 'cause of the perms00:18
+crythiasthough.00:18
+crythias..00:18
+crythiasdoesn't really make sense why it's asking sudo00:18
Jiggietelling me00:19
Jiggiesome guy used to work here set this up and he no longer works here00:19
+crythiasyeah...00:19
Jiggieyou guys got to make this easier lol00:19
Jiggiedumb pelple like me00:19
+crythiasit is easier in 6.8+ (no index.pl)00:19
Jiggiewe are waiting for 700:20
+crythiasbut the long and short is that index.pl has a path to the .conf for the site00:20
Jiggiewe bought a template from you guys and you guys installed it on our website00:20
Jiggienow we need to do the same to our intranet00:20
+crythiasif apache can't read the .conf...00:20
+crythiasI'm not a you guys.00:20
+crythias:)00:20
Jiggiei mean plainblack00:20
Jiggielol00:20
+crythiasI'm not an employee of plainblack.00:21
+crythias:)00:21
Jiggieu work for free00:21
+crythiasyes00:21
Jiggiesomeone bless you00:21
+crythiasmore or less. people who want to pay me... do.00:21
Jiggie[root@JETS www]# perl index.pl00:21
JiggieCan't connect to data source , no database driver specified and DBI_DSN env var not set at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 31100:21
Jiggiei'm broke00:22
Jiggieif i could i would00:22
+crythiasnp. and not soliciting.00:22
Jiggieits ok i understand00:22
+crythiascan't connect to data source ... that'd be par00:22
Jiggiei used to help others with regular joe computer problems and didnt charge them00:22
+crythiasit means that the mysql connection can't be established.00:22
Jiggiethat'd be par ?00:22
+crythiaspar for the course. and right in line with everything else.00:23
Jiggieso what should i look for then00:23
+crythiaslots.00:23
Jiggiewe can log into mysql00:23
Jiggiei type mysql00:23
+crythiasmore index.pl00:23
+crythiasfind the .conf that's being referenced.00:23
+crythiassee if it exists still in that location.00:23
+crythiassee what perms are on that .conf00:24
+crythiasedit the .conf and see what the db connection info is.00:24
+crythiastry to see if you can use that connection info from the command line.00:24
Jiggieok checking00:25
+crythiasmysql -uuser -ppassword webguidatabasename00:25
+crythiasshow tables;00:25
Jiggiewhen i do a show tables i get00:25
Jiggiei mean show databases i get00:25
Jiggiemysql> show databases;00:26
Jiggie  +---------------------------+00:26
Jiggie  | Database                  |00:26
Jiggie  +---------------------------+00:26
Jiggie  | intranet_invisioninc_com  |00:26
Jiggie  | mysql                     |00:26
Jiggie  | oldintranet               |00:26
Jiggie  | oldportal_invisioninc_com |00:26
Jiggie  | test                      |00:26
Jiggie  | xplan                     |00:26
Jiggie  | xplanner                  |00:26
Jiggie  +---------------------------+00:26
Jiggie  7 rows in set (0.06 sec)00:26
+crythiasyeah..00:26
+crythiasok. so what does the .conf say the db is that needs?00:26
Jiggielooking for it still00:26
+crythiasI hope it's intranet_invisioninc_com00:27
Jiggieit should be under webgui or wre00:27
Jiggieyeah is that00:27
Jiggiethe one its supposed to be00:27
Jiggiebut looking for the conf file00:27
+crythiasthe conf is in WebGUI/etc00:27
+crythiasbut the index.pl tells you exactly which file00:28
Jiggiethis is from anothe rbox testing00:29
Jiggieour ($webguiRoot, $configFile);00:29
JiggieBEGIN {00:29
Jiggie        $configFile = "WebGUI.conf";00:29
Jiggie        $webguiRoot = "/data/WebGUI";00:29
Jiggie        unshift (@INC, $webguiRoot."/lib");00:29
Jiggie}00:29
+crythiasright.00:29
Jiggiesorry wrong one00:29
Jiggiethats from a new envronemnt00:30
Jiggiebackup00:30
Jiggieis this what i have to look for dsn = DBI:mysql:www_example_com00:32
Jiggiebut intranet_invisioninc_com00:33
+crythiasyeah. but explicitly the .conf that is specified in index.pl in your DocumentRoot00:33
+crythiassince you haven't mentioned that to me, I'm not sure you're going to be further successful.00:33
Jiggie[root@JETS etc]# mysql -uroot -pcobalt intranet_invisioninc_com00:35
JiggieERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)00:35
Jiggiewe dont know the password00:35
Jiggieis there a way to re-set it00:35
Jiggiei just put a dummy passowrd there00:35
Jiggiefor this pourpose00:35
+crythiaswhew00:35
+crythiaswell wait.00:36
+crythias1) did you find the .conf mentioned in index.pl?00:36
+crythias2) did the .conf exist?00:36
+crythias3) did you find the db connection string in that .conf?00:37
Jiggieyes yes yes00:38
+crythiaswait00:39
+crythiasthat db connection string connects as root?00:39
+crythiasbtw ... gtg soon00:40
Jiggieok00:40
+crythiasdoes the db connection string connect -uroot?00:40
+crythiasif the user is root, and you can get into mysql just by typing mysql, then the root user doesn't have a pwd00:42
+crythiasalthough, it'd be pretty unsafe to do that, considering root users can drop dbs.00:42
+crythiasI'm sorry. I can't wait until you respond ... I've got to head out. mysql -e "grant all privileges on www_<font size="3">example_com.* to webgui@localhost identified by 'password'"</font>00:45
+crythiasand change your .conf appropriately.00:45
+crythiasbut don't do this verbatim.00:45
Jiggieyes00:47
Jiggieit works with root and no password00:47
Jiggiebut I still get the error00:47
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chee1where did all the documentation for webgui administrators?03:05
chee1*go03:05
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xdanger=P11:07
Radix-wrkokay.. so sue me.. you're all so quiet and I'm bored :)11:09
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Jiggieanyone17:01
Jiggiexdanger can u help me with mysql import on a windows box17:02
Jiggieusing wre17:02
Jiggieanyone17:11
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Jiggieanyone18:14
Jiggiecrythias18:14
Jiggiedo you have some time :)18:14
Jiggiei cant use a mysql from 6.2 with wre :( crap18:16
JiggieMySQL PID file could not be found! [FAILED]18:20
Jiggieanyone18:50
Jiggiewhat is a MySQL PID file18:53
Jiggieanyone20:08
Jiggiewe are learning this webgui stiff20:08
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Jiggieohh come one22:02
Jiggiei know i bother a lot22:02
Jiggieanyone'22:02
+crythiashi22:02
Jiggiehey22:02
+crythiaswhat?22:02
Jiggiei have been going at this since yesterday22:02
+crythias'kay22:03
Jiggiewe have done almost everything on the community pages of plainblack22:03
Jiggiebrains are burned out22:03
+crythiasstatus?22:03
Jiggiewe can run index.pl from command line22:04
+crythiaswhat does that mean?22:05
Jiggiedont know22:05
Jiggiegive me a sec let me start webgui again22:05
Jiggiewe get this22:10
JiggieCan't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 446.22:10
+crythiasyeah22:10
+crythiaswhich means that it can't log on.22:10
Jiggieso the problem is with the database?22:11
Jiggiei do this perl test.env.... and i get22:11
+crythiasnot as far as I have been able to tell from your limited information.22:11
+crythiasthe problem is username and password22:11
Jiggielets get to the info you need22:12
Jiggiewhat would you like22:12
+crythiasroot access22:12
Jiggielol22:12
+crythiasif not that, gimme the index.pl's .conf line22:13
Jiggieok22:17
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+crythiasif you're going to take 4 minutes to respond to me each time, I don't believe I'll have the patience to converse in an otherwise22:19
+crythiasreal-time conversation.22:19
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Jiggiesorry about that22:19
+crythiasuse http://www.rafb.net/paste22:19
+crythiasbut don't put sensitive stuff... it's public22:20
Jiggiehttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/2CNU7P15.html22:21
Jiggieit is ok... Our network is firewalled22:21
+crythiasoh.. kay22:21
+crythiasyou're at 6.2.?22:22
+crythiasdsn = DBI:mysql:www_example_com dbuser = webgui dbpass = password22:23
+crythiasnm, just posting22:23
+crythias9 is wrong, absolutely22:23
Jiggieyea22:23
Jiggie6.2.11 but22:24
+crythiasdsn=DBI:mysql:databasename22:24
JiggieJT has us using the WRE also22:24
+crythiaswonderful.22:24
Jiggiehahaha22:24
+crythiasdon't care22:24
Jiggieok22:24
+crythiasyou can command line mysql22:24
Jiggieyes22:24
+crythiasdoing that, it gets you root with no password22:24
+crythiasmysql[enter]22:25
+crythiasmysql>22:25
+crythiasyes?22:25
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# mysql22:25
JiggieERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)22:25
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]#22:25
+crythias'kay22:25
JiggieI added a password this morning22:25
+crythiasand you know it?22:25
Jiggieyea22:25
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# mysql -uroot -p22:26
JiggieEnter password:22:26
JiggieWelcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.22:26
JiggieYour MySQL connection id is 2 to server version: 4.1.10-standard22:26
JiggieType 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.22:26
Jiggiemysql>22:26
+crythiasshow databases22:26
Jiggieok22:26
+crythias;22:26
+crythiasdon't care all22:26
Jiggiemysql> show databases;22:26
Jiggie+---------------------------+22:26
Jiggie| Database                  |22:26
Jiggie+---------------------------+22:26
Jiggie| intranet_invisioninc_com  |22:26
Jiggie| mysql                     |22:26
Jiggie| oldintranet               |22:26
Jiggie| oldportal_invisioninc_com |22:26
Jiggie| test                      |22:26
Jiggie| xplan                     |22:26
Jiggie| xplanner                  |22:27
+crythias8 is correct, in your .conf22:27
Jiggie+---------------------------+22:27
Jiggie7 rows in set (0.05 sec)22:27
Jiggieaahhh22:27
Jiggieok22:27
+crythiasmysql -uroot -p intranet_invisioninc_com22:27
+crythiasit should be the value of dbpass22:27
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# mysql -uroot -p intranet_invisioninc_com22:28
JiggieEnter password:22:28
JiggieReading table information for completion of table and column names22:28
JiggieYou can turn off this feature to get a quicker startup with -A22:28
JiggieWelcome to the MySQL monitor.  Commands end with ; or \g.22:28
JiggieYour MySQL connection id is 4 to server version: 4.1.10-standard22:28
JiggieType 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer.22:28
Jiggiemysql>22:28
+crythiasseems reasonable.22:28
+crythiasthis command line pwd is the same as 5?22:28
Jiggieyea22:28
+crythiasdid you recently upgrade perl?22:29
Jiggienope22:29
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# perl --version22:29
JiggieThis is perl, v5.8.0 built for i386-linux-thread-multi22:29
Jiggie(with 1 registered patch, see perl -V for more detail)22:29
+crythiasneed you to create a file:22:30
Jiggiesure22:30
+crythiasuse DBI; my $dbh = DBI->connect('DBI:mysql:intranet_invisioninc_com', 'username', 'password')) or die "Couldn't connect to database: " . DBI->errstr;22:32
+crythiascreate that as dt.pl22:32
Jiggieok22:32
+crythiasperl dt.pl22:32
+crythiasI guess I should add $dbh->disconnect; in there as well22:33
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# perl dt.pl22:35
Jiggiesyntax error at dt.pl line 1, near ")) "22:35
JiggieExecution of dt.pl aborted due to compilation errors.22:35
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]#22:35
+crythiasdelete a )22:37
Jiggieok22:40
Jiggiesorry22:40
Jiggiei ran it and it didn't do anything22:40
+crythiasit didn't diie22:40
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# vi dt.pl22:40
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]# perl dt.pl22:40
Jiggie[root@JETS WebGUI]#22:40
+crythiasyeah.22:41
+crythiasthis is good.22:41
Jiggiecool22:42
+crythiasso now we check webgui.log22:42
Jiggieit is quite large22:48
Jiggiehttp://www.rafb.net/paste/results/fpUQJl93.html22:49
Jiggiehere is the last 200 lines22:50
+crythiasone moment.22:50
Jiggieok22:50
JiggieThanks again... by the way22:50
+crythiasok..22:50
+crythiasMon Jun 19 12:12:46 2006 /data/domains/intranet/intranet/public/index.pl FATAL: Couldn't write to the database: insert into userSession values ('73Wd.lxpdcako', 1150737166, 1150733566, 0, '127.0.0.1', '1') : Duplicate entry '73Wd.lxpdcako' for key 122:51
+crythias:)22:51
+crythiasdoesn't seem to be ...22:51
+crythiasok... people are editing22:54
+crythiasor. were yesterday22:54
Jiggieyea22:55
Jiggieit went down during the middle of the day22:55
+crythiasI don't know if I can help you.22:55
+crythiasI'd try to check the status of my tables...22:55
+crythiasfirst, I'd try to mysqldump the db22:56
Jiggiei did that yesterday just to be on the safe side22:57
+crythiasmysqldump -uroot -p intranet_invisioninc_com >iic.sql22:57
Jiggiehow do I check the status of my tables22:57
+crythiasthis is a backup22:58
+crythiassorry typing at the same time22:58
Jiggieahh22:58
Jiggienp22:58
+crythiasin the /var/db/mysql dir, what are the extensions per db22:59
+crythiasspecifically the iic db22:59
Jiggiethere isn't anything in /var/db23:01
+crythiasor. it might be /var/mysql.. it might be... I dunno.23:02
+crythiasyou should read this23:03
+crythiashttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/table-maintenance.html23:03
+crythiasalthough I don't know at this time...23:03
Jiggieawesome23:04
+crythiasI have to get back to work here. I'm sorry I can't be much more of help. the long and short is that you aren't communicating with your database. I don't really know why, but if dbpass isn't the same as what you just changed, that'd be a problem.23:04
Jiggieok23:04
Jiggiethanks for your help23:04
+crythiasyw23:04
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+perlDreameris anybody using FC5 with WebGUI?23:44
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Jiggiedont work00:06
Jiggietoo many dependencies00:06
Jiggiespent almost a day getting all the perl module crap00:06
Jiggieout00:07
+perlDreamerI didn't have too many problems with it, but I updated perl over the weekend and now it seems like wG is just crawling.00:11
+perlDreamerFor example, one test script that used to run in 30 seconds now takes over 15 minutes00:11
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Radix-wrkhi mindspin11:08
mindspinhi11:08
mindspinits a silent channel ;-)11:08
Radix-wrkI know.. I just spoilt it!11:08
Radix-wrkdoh.. next time I'll be quieter.11:09
mindspindo you know wther its possible to run webGUI5.8x and 6.x smultaniously?11:09
Radix-wrkHmm.. wouldn't be easy11:09
Radix-wrkthey have different perl requirements11:09
Radix-wrkwhy not use a virtual machine setup instead?11:09
mindspinmay be I'll try xen and let two servers at all run on one machine11:09
mindspin;-)11:10
mindspin5.8 runs rock solid and I dont wanna switch my users11:10
Radix-wrkYou should be able to do it really.. but you'd need two setups of apache - each on different ports or something I guess11:10
Radix-wrkyeah, hard problem.. we had to do the same thing11:11
Radix-wrkwe're on 6.8.10 now, but making the leap to 7 when its finalised is the same issue11:11
mindspinI#ll switch from 5 to 7 I guess11:11
Radix-wrkI'm using virtualpc atm to run through test upgrades to the 6.99.x betas11:11
Radix-wrkruns surprisingly speedy really11:12
mindspinI will replace my server with a new machine and so there is the time to make the right decisions towards the future ;-)11:12
mindspinBut honestly I ignored most about webgui6 and so There's a lot to learn on my side11:13
Radix-wrkWe had issues with the editor in webgui 5.8 - was driving us crazy with no firefox support.  So we made the plunge and went for 6.8.x when it was released.11:18
mindspinare you working for plainblack?11:19
Radix-wrknah.. just a user like you :)11:20
mindspinI c11:20
mindspinwhere are you from ? I'm from germany11:21
Radix-wrkperth, australia11:21
mindspinfar away ;-)11:21
Radix-wrkyah :)11:21
mindspinIf I will find time, I'm gonna try to build webgui-ubuntu packages11:22
Radix-wrkthere's some debian packages already11:23
mindspinI know11:23
Radix-wrkI'm using debian myself11:23
mindspinbut they differ slightly11:23
mindspinme to11:23
mindspinbut I will try ubuntu-server because its more "up to date"11:23
Radix-wrknot had a chance to play with ubuntu yet - guess I should sometime11:24
mindspinand a webgui package would be nice, ebven to spread webgui11:24
mindspinits really cool for the desktop11:24
Radix-wrkI tried ubuntu 6.06 on my old desktop pc and it kept on locking up11:25
mindspinthe final version or the beta?11:25
Radix-wrkKinda dismissed it when that happened, haven't gone any further with it11:25
Radix-wrkfinal11:25
mindspinnvidia card?11:26
Radix-wrkradeon 970011:26
mindspinati is difficult iirc11:26
mindspinbut the 9700 should work11:26
Radix-wrkI would've thought so.. it gets to the desktop, I can do a few things then random freeze11:27
Radix-wrkwas only booting off the cd, so no logs to see why11:27
mindspinstrange11:27
Radix-wrkyah... I've been meaning to try it again, but not had time11:28
mindspinI have to work a bit....  seeya11:28
Radix-wrkyeah.. I'm off home too :)11:28
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Jiggiegood morning people15:34
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Jiggiehey if i have webgui 6.2 and i now install wre, i wont be able to use the database?16:01
+MrHairgreaseJiggie16:06
+MrHairgreasei dunno16:06
+MrHairgreasedoes your db not work16:06
+MrHairgreaseor are you asking if it would work?16:07
+MrHairgreaseunder the wre16:07
Jiggiethe database was working and after a power outage webgui does not want to work anymore16:07
Jiggiei can connect to mysql and see the database and tables16:07
Jiggiebut thats it16:07
+MrHairgreasehmm16:08
Jiggiealso where does wre store the databases16:08
+MrHairgreasei dunno16:08
+MrHairgreasemy guess is16:08
Jiggiewe managed to "repair" some tales of the database and want to test using the wre16:08
+MrHairgreaseunder /data/var/mysql?16:08
+MrHairgreaseor something like it16:08
+MrHairgreaseafaik it should be in the /data tree somewhere16:09
Jiggieis it just me or instructins are lacking polishing16:09
Jiggielets say i just installed wre on windows....and it works and i was able to log in and add an user16:10
Jiggiedo i have to add a new site?16:10
Jiggieor i can just start working with that one...16:10
Jiggieif i had a database from another box -same version how can i use it on a new environment16:10
+MrHairgreaseI have no idea16:10
+MrHairgreasei never used the wre16:11
Jiggiewe are thinking of running dual server one for use and the other as a back up16:11
Jiggiewe really depend on webgui for intranet info16:11
Jiggieand 2 days ago it broke16:11
+MrHairgreasei think you need replication16:11
Jiggieyep16:11
+MrHairgreaseit should be very easy to set up in mysql16:11
+MrHairgreaselike16:11
+MrHairgreaseadding a few config directives16:11
+MrHairgreasegoogle for it16:12
+MrHairgreasesry16:12
+MrHairgreasebut gotta go afk16:12
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Jiggiei'll buy service from plainblack16:32
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+crythiashello21:24
+crythiasjavascript is fun21:24
Jiggiehey21:39
Jiggiecrythias21:39
+crythiasyeah21:39
Jiggiewe got webgu up but its using old information21:39
+crythiasok.21:39
Jiggieeverything seems to be pointing to the right place, but its using info form a year ago21:39
Jiggieweird21:39
+crythiassorry to hear that.21:40
Jiggiewe are thinking of buying support... cause we can not loose any more time.....................but 5g's is kind of alot21:40
+crythiasyeah for them to log on to their computer21:40
+crythiasyour computer21:40
Jiggieyep21:40
+crythias$500 ask as much via email21:40
Jiggiedont have more choices21:41
+crythiasor $35/month and they host :)21:41
Jiggiewe host this internal21:41
+crythiasI recall.21:41
Jiggiei also downlaoded wre6.0 to install on another box, to run as a back up21:41
Jiggiebut it cant start mod perl21:41
+crythiasright. saw that.21:42
Jiggieand i read the error log and it tells me something virtual host :8121:42
+crythias'kay21:42
+crythiasmore info?21:44
Jiggieok21:45
+crythiaszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz21:47
Jiggiesorry21:47
Jiggieremoting to another box21:47
+MrHairgreasecrythias: you should clean your keyboard21:48
+MrHairgreaseespescially the lower-left part of it =)21:48
Jiggiehey crythias21:52
+crythiasyeah21:52
JiggieI fixed alot of problems with MYSQL21:53
Jiggiethere were 2 instances21:53
Jiggieand alot of other issues21:53
+crythiasoh?21:53
Jiggienow I am stuck on the sock file21:53
+crythiaslook for my.cnf ... everywhere21:54
Jiggiei did21:54
Jiggiei added:21:54
Jiggiesocket=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock21:54
Jiggiein every my.cnf21:54
Jiggiebut when I type mysql21:55
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Jiggieit says:21:55
Jiggie[root@JETS root]# mysql21:55
JiggieERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111)21:55
+crythiasyeah.21:55
Jiggieit is looking in the wrong place21:55
+crythiasso mysqladmin -uroot -p shutdown21:55
+crythiasor service mysql stop21:56
+crythiaswhatever is appropriate for your ... thing21:56
Jiggieok21:56
+crythiasand then start mysql again21:56
+crythiasif it comes down to it, you may have to kill the process21:56
Jiggie[root@JETS root]# mysqladmin -uroot -p shutdown21:57
JiggieEnter password:21:57
Jiggiemysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed21:57
Jiggieerror: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111)'21:57
JiggieCheck that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/tmp/mysql.sock' exists!21:57
+crythiasyeah. so far makes sense.21:57
Jiggieok21:57
+crythiasmysql isn't running21:57
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Jiggiei killed it manually with kill -921:58
Jiggiethere were alot of mysqld processes running21:58
+crythiasmake sure all are gone21:59
Jiggieok21:59
Jiggiei did21:59
+crythiasnow start mysq,21:59
Jiggiethrough the wre21:59
Jiggieor how21:59
+crythiasdon't know. don't care. but likely, yes22:00
Jiggieok22:00
+crythiasbut ...22:00
+crythiasyou typing mysql will be the mysql in your PATH22:00
+crythiaswhich mysql will tell you which one.22:00
+crythiasif you're seeing /usr/local/mysql then you're using the wrong one.22:00
Jiggie[root@JETS root]# cd /data/wre/sbin/22:01
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# ./rc.webgui start22:01
JiggieMySQL Started22:01
Jiggiemod_perl Started22:01
Jiggiemod_proxy Started22:01
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# which mysql22:01
Jiggie/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/bin/mysql22:01
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]#22:01
+crythiasgood22:01
Jiggielooks good so far22:01
+crythiasspifftacular.22:01
Jiggie:)22:01
Jiggiebut it stil won't connect22:01
Jiggieit is looking in tmp for the sock22:02
+crythiassigh22:02
Jiggieyea22:02
+crythiasdoes the mysql.sock exist anywhere?22:03
JiggieERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (111)22:03
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# find / -name mysql.sock22:03
Jiggie/tmp/mysql.sock22:03
Jiggie/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock22:03
Jiggie/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:03
+crythiasdates?22:03
+crythiasls -l /tmp/mysql.sock /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# ls -la /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggiesrwxrwxrwx    1 mysql    mysql           0 Jun 22 14:50 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# ls -la /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggiesrwxrwxrwx    1 mysql    mysql           0 Jun 22 13:57 /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# ls -la /tmp/mysql.sock22:04
Jiggiesrwxrwxrwx    1 mysql    mysql           0 Jun 22 14:22 /tmp/mysql.sock22:04
+crythiasand your date22:04
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# date22:05
JiggieThu Jun 22 14:54:42 EDT 200622:05
+crythiashow many mysqls?22:05
Jiggieprocesses?22:05
+crythiasyeah22:05
+crythiasservice mysqld stop22:06
+crythiasI think.22:06
Jiggiemysql     1803  1776  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1804  1803  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1805  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1806  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1807  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1808  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1809  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1810  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1811  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
Jiggiemysql     1812  1804  0 14:50 pts/1    00:00:00 /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/libexec/mysqld --basedir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql --datadir=/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/va22:06
+crythiaswe need to a) stop all mysqls, b) find and rm all mysql.sock22:07
+crythiasand I think that's service mysql stop22:07
+crythiasor service mysqld stop22:07
Jiggieok22:07
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Jiggieall are stopped22:08
+crythiasfind all mysql.socks22:09
Jiggieall mysql.sock are removed22:09
+crythiasstart webgui22:09
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# ./rc.webgui start22:10
JiggieMySQL Started22:10
Jiggiemod_perl Started22:10
Jiggiemod_proxy Started22:10
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# find / -name mysql.sock22:10
Jiggie/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:10
JiggieNJOW22:10
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# mysql22:10
JiggieERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2)22:10
+crythiasfine22:10
+crythiassymlink it22:10
+crythiasln -s22:10
+crythiasln -s  /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock /tmp/mysql.sock22:10
+crythiasfor now, it should work.22:11
+crythiasbut it's a problem with a config22:11
Jiggieok I did22:12
Jiggie[root@JETS sbin]# find / -name mysql.sock22:13
Jiggie/tmp/mysql.sock22:13
Jiggie/data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/mysql.sock22:13
JiggieThat worked22:13
+crythiasnah22:13
Jiggieit keeps bring up My old DB22:16
+crythiasyeah22:16
+crythiasthen I'd check for your locations of the dbname.22:16
JiggieHow can I check to see what DB it is using22:17
Jiggieand what Config22:17
JiggieThanks again22:17
+crythiaswre/webgui/etc/*.conf22:17
Jiggieok22:17
+crythiasanything that's not log4perl22:17
+crythiasand then the DBI tells your what db22:17
+crythiasand then ... well. and then, you're seeing the connection to the db in wre/prereqs/mysql/var/dbs22:19
+crythiasalthough your current data might be in /var/dbs22:19
+crythiaswhich means you need to find out your databasename and find / -name databasename22:19
Jiggie[root@JETS etc]# pwd22:20
Jiggie/data/wre/etc22:20
Jiggie[root@JETS etc]# ls -la22:20
Jiggietotal 8822:20
Jiggiedrwxr-xr-x    2 awilson  webgui       4096 Oct 26  2005 .22:20
Jiggiedrwxr-xr-x    8 awilson  webgui       4096 Jun  3  2005 ..22:20
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        58351 Oct 26  2005 awstats.intranet.conf22:20
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          126 Jul 29  2005 intranet.modperl22:20
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          730 Aug  3  2005 intranet.modproxy22:20
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 awilson  webgui       1142 Jul 29  2005 logrotate.conf22:20
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          128 Jul 29  2005 stats.modproxy22:20
Jiggiethat is under etc22:20
+crythiasgrep DBI *22:21
Jiggiebut there is a dir here is the conf files22:21
Jiggie[root@JETS etc]# pwd22:21
Jiggie/data/WebGUI/etc22:21
Jiggie[root@JETS etc]# ls -la22:21
Jiggietotal 1084822:21
Jiggiedrwxr-xr-x    2 root     root         4096 Jun 21 17:56 .22:21
Jiggiedrwxr-xr-x    7 root     root         4096 Jun 21 15:29 ..22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root     11059200 Jul 27  2005 data.sql22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1773 Jun 21 17:56 intranet.conf22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1729 Oct 27  2005 intranet.conf.bak22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1898 Jun 21 13:12 intranet.invisioninc.com.conf22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1803 Oct 27  2005 intranet.invisioninc.com.conf.bak22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1743 Mar 14  2005 oldportal.invisioninc.com.conf.bak22:21
Jiggie-rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1842 Jan 28  2005 WebGUI.conf.original22:21
+crythiasgrep DBI intranet.invisioninc.com.conf22:22
+crythiasor intranet.conf22:22
+crythiasI can't continue.22:22
Jiggieok22:22
JiggieThanks22:23
+crythiaslook. you got your db backed up, right?22:23
Jiggieyea22:23
+crythiasdo it now, again.22:23
Jiggieok I will22:23
+crythiasmysqldump -a -uroot -p > 062206data.sql22:23
+crythiasthen  mysql -uroot -p22:24
+crythiasthen drop the database that's ref'd by the DBI of the .conf22:24
+crythias(only after you're SURE you've got a backup)22:24
Jiggiehaha yea22:25
+crythiasthen mysql -uroot -p <invisionbackup.sql22:25
+crythiasyou may have to create the db first22:26
+crythiasmysql -uroot -p22:26
Jiggieok22:27
+crythiascreate database invision_database_name22:27
+crythiasquit22:27
+crythiasmysql -u root -p invision_database_name <invistionbackup.sql22:27
+crythiasif you're paranoid, tar your prereqs/mysql/var/dbs first22:28
+crythiastar czvf mydbs.tar.gz /data/wre/prereqs/mysql/var/dbs22:29
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+crythiasis it party time?00:30
+crythiasjiggie02:40
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tamrayI have a friend who wants to start a blog. Is WebGUI a good source for this, so he can eliminate being part of a big blog community?05:17
chee1tamray: have you tried the demo?05:17
tamrayDoes that mean WebGUI has a blog feature? I haven't had reason to look.05:18
chee1tamray: it has a "collaboration" thingy ma-bob for a simple blog, webgui might be overkill, but it's up to you05:20
tamrayThanks. That is what he needs, so he has full control of things.05:20
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chee1so how do you commit changes in 6.99.4?05:43
chee1i.e. get rid of all the locks05:55
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bipolarHey guys22:31
bipolarI'm trying to use ProxyPath statements in apache2 to proxy http://www.mysite.com:2000 from http://www.mysite.com/custom. the root of my web site is run by webgui.22:32
bipolarit seems that no matter what I do, webgui stays in control of /custom.22:33
bipolaris there something I'm doing wrong or is what I'm trying to do not possible?22:33
+crythiaspassthruUrl in webgui.conf23:39
+crythiasgtg23:39
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walakihi folks15:25
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lenthame1crythias ?17:57
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+crythiashi21:25
cheecheeohello21:34
cheecheeoso how can i create new content?, every time i make a change, nothing happens23:51
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xdangercheecheeo: using the 6.99.x ? you have to commit your changes...00:20
cheecheeoi am, there's gotta be something wrong with my install, everything i do works fine on the demo, and won't work on my system00:21
xdangeryou do commit the changes?00:21
xdangerdo you have spectre running?00:21
cheecheeoyeah00:22
xdangerthat's weird..00:22
cheecheeoindeed00:22
xdangersounds like you don't have spectre running...00:22
xdangertry perl spectre.pl --ping in sbin directory00:23
xdangerto make sure it's operating correctly00:23
xdangeror start it with --verbose00:23
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walakihello00:28
walakianbody here?00:29
cheecheeowalaki: yeah00:31
walakiyou are waiting for the gurus too or you are one of them?00:32
cheecheeoi'm just here, not really waiting and not ready to say i'm a gurur00:33
cheecheeo*guru00:33
cheecheeowhy don't you just ask your question and see what happens?00:34
xdangerI'm partly here ;)00:34
xdangerbut have to go to sleep soon00:34
walakiok, so I am asked the following questions00:34
walakiMethods for automatic close of session?00:35
walakiWhat are the relevant difference between WebGUI version 5 vs. WebGUI version 7?00:35
xdangerI haven't used v5 much... only tested it like 20minutes..00:37
xdanger2 years ago ;)00:37
xdangeratomatic close of session? do you mean in code (macro or asset) or in general?00:38
walakiI made an examing thingy and to prevent cheating with back button I log out the user after sending the answers00:49
walakiI made it using : WebGUI::Auth->logout;00:50
walakiin the code00:50
walakiso the question is pretty much every method worth mentioning00:51
walakixdanger:  tx for the effort, I have to go,  good night to you. 01:09
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cheecheeookay, when i commit changes how long does it take on average?03:00
+crythiasimmediately.03:23
+crythiasbut cache-ing may say otherwise03:23
cheecheeookay03:24
+crythiasbut ... you were part of that thread.03:24
+crythiashttp://www.plainblack.com/webgui/dev/discuss/caching-probs#2YdDgxYJpastahjZhzIlPg03:25
cheecheeoyeah, i have this install of webgui, and everytime i create a new site, i everything under root > home is locked, i say to commit changes and nothing happens, on a install of the site I changed a bunch of stuff so it seems like webgui is keeping a whole bunch of changes that I made, but not letting me make any commits, it's boggling my mind.03:27
+crythiasversion?03:27
cheecheeo6.99.503:28
+crythiasok. then perhaps spectre's not running?03:28
cheecheeoi'll look into that, does spectre do interaction with the database?03:30
+crythiasyeah03:30
+crythiasit's the brains03:30
+crythiaseverything WG does is handed off to spectre to handle.03:31
cheecheeofudge03:31
+crythias'kay...03:31
cheecheeoi'm using the WRE and it has some pretty bad passing around of unquoted input, in particular when it interacts with the database, and I'm thinking if spectre does the same thing it could be why my system isn't working03:33
cheecheeodinner time, bbiab03:38
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Radix-wrkheh.. 370000 active sessions on our site05:36
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cheecheeocould someone explain spectreSubnets to me?02:04
+perlDreamerwhat don't you understand?02:17
cheecheeoI'm wondering what they are.02:17
+perlDreamerspectreSubnets says which IP addresses WebGUI and spectre should expect to listen to02:17
+perlDreamerIt's a security feature02:18
+perlDreamerneither will listen to requests from illegal IP addresses02:18
cheecheeookay, so the default spectreSubnets seem to be 127.0.0.1/32, isn't that everything?02:25
+perlDreamerI thought it was only localhost02:25
+perlDreamer127.0.0.1/32 is 127.0.0.1 with 32 unmasked bits?02:26
cheecheeoright02:26
cheecheeoso spectre only listens to localhost for requests?02:27
+perlDreamerwell, technically spectre gets told to camp out on localhost, and webgui will listen to localhost02:27
cheecheeois that why there's a list of 2 different IP adresses in the .conf file?02:30
+perlDreamerspectreIp says which IP address webGUI should use to talk back to spectre02:30
cheecheeookay02:31
cheecheeoI think I'm getting somewhere now.02:31
+perlDreamerare you getting commits now?02:35
cheecheeoyeah, new changes are happening, but I'm still having those lock from previous installs02:37
+perlDreamerprevious installs?02:38
+perlDreamerdidn't you wipe the database after each install?02:38
cheecheeoyeah, in detail, i ran the removesite script, which seems to do a drop of the database and rm -rf /data02:39
cheecheeoit's still there, though :-/02:39
+perlDreamerdo you know how to double check the drop manually?02:40
cheecheeoi just did a show databases in mysql and it didn't have the database, and /var/lib/mysql didn't have it either so I figured I was safe, is there something else I need to check for?02:41
+perlDreamerwell...02:42
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+perlDreamerso after you removesite, and create the site again, the same commits are pending?02:42
+perlDreamerhey, crythias!02:43
+crythiashowDY02:43
+perlDreamerhow spectre knowledgeable are you?02:43
+crythiaschu chu chu cheeo02:43
+crythias:)02:43
+crythiasleft a message on the boards02:43
+crythiasalready dealt with this error for someone else02:43
cheecheeoperlDreamer: not really pending, just locked and there's no "commit changes" link for me to click ;-(02:44
+crythiasor ... another question is pending?02:44
+perlDreamerhmmm... try explaining to crythias what you're seeing.02:44
+perlDreamerHe holds a doctorate in WebGUI diagnostics02:44
+crythiasnon-accredited, of course.02:44
cheecheeowell first off, spectre starts fine with no errors, any changes i make, actually happen02:45
* crythias scratches his head. and what should I fix?02:45
+perlDreamercrythias: wait, there's more!02:45
cheecheeoBut, I have a whole bunch of locked pages after a new install that I can't commit02:45
+crythias?? 02:46
+perlDreamerand you said the locked pages are from a _previous_ install...?02:46
cheecheeoit _seems_ as if they're changes from a previous install leftover from somewhere02:46
+crythias'kay...02:46
+perlDreamerthey aren't default WebGUI pages, are they?02:46
+crythiasspectre must have a queue somwhere?02:46
cheecheeonope not according to my attempts with the demo02:46
cheecheeowhen i click on the gold lock, i get a list of committed versions, there's only one and it's the "initial import"02:47
cheecheeois there a way I can just manually unlock these bad boys?02:47
+crythiasok. how do you know there are locks?02:47
+perlDreamereither in the asset or assetData tables there will be a column called "status".02:48
+perlDreamercheecheeo: are you doing this as Admin?02:49
cheecheeocrythias: admin console > assets > Home there's a gold lock next to it02:49
cheecheeoperlDreamer: looking at the tables now, and yes02:49
+crythiasnot sure02:50
+perlDreamercheecheeo: In the Admin Console, under Manage Versions there should be a way to list all active version tags, as well as committed versions.  Check there.02:51
+crythiasphantom locks would be something that should be checked...02:51
+perlDreamerI skimmed the spectre code and I don't see any caching.02:51
+perlDreamercrythias: I agree.  But how to reproduce?02:51
+crythiasalso... I got to report a bug02:51
+perlDreamerbetter now than Thursday :)02:52
+perlDreamerwhat is it?02:52
+crythias /home is a pain in the butt02:52
+perlDreamerI know02:52
+crythiasit shouldn't exist02:52
+perlDreamerall that vaccuuming, mowing, moping.02:52
+crythiasheh02:52
+perlDreameryou can remove /home02:52
+crythiasit's a pain.02:52
+perlDreamerjust name your homepage index.html02:53
+crythiasno02:53
+perlDreameryes02:53
+crythiasthe demo is a pain02:53
* perlDreamer is confused between home and demo02:53
+crythiasok. you add a new page layout on the demo's home page. all well and good.02:53
cheecheeohmm02:54
+crythiasbut if you click the webgui demo name... upper left corner.. you get taken to /home02:54
cheecheeomysql> select * from assetData where status!="approved";02:54
cheecheeoEmpty set (0.00 sec)02:54
+crythiasI was showing this to a coworker and the new page didn't show up02:54
+crythiasbut clicking "Getting Started" shows the page in the nav02:54
+perlDreamercrythias: weird02:55
+crythiasthe heck?02:55
+crythiasand... ie doesn't do the demo well.02:55
+crythiasat least... it didn't for my coworker behind firewall02:55
+perlDreamergotta head for home.  I might be back on later tonight, guys.02:56
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cheecheeookay, there are no entries in the database where an assetId is not approved or asset that is unpublished. and I still have these locks03:02
cheecheeowait. nevermind03:03
cheecheeochao folks04:02
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josehello buddies18:10
joseare you active?18:10
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jose___rc.webgui start: mysql started, enter your sudo password..18:39
jose___WTF?18:39
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jose___lo19:11
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+perlDreamerluke__: Are you awake?19:12
jose___hi guys, rc.webgui start asks for a sudo password19:19
jose___but i have no idea what that is supposed to be19:19
jose___!= superuser password as i found out19:19
+perlDreamerwhen you're prompted for a sudo password, it's asking you for __your__ password, not root's19:39
+crythiasheya19:57
jose___elo folks19:57
jose___i think the password was after all accepted. then the problem w/ mod_perl came19:57
+crythiasheh19:58
jose___so i decided to run build.sh one more time19:58
jose___time hungry process even on a 3000 processor19:59
jose___anyways in error log there was a note about log/log4perl.pm that could not be located20:01
jose___and /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl for server blablabla:0 either20:01
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* crythias isn't a fan of WRE20:05
jose___hmm, well.. /me is a beginner 20:07
+crythiasif log/log4perl.pm can't be located, it was a problem with build.sh20:07
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cheecheeoperlDreamer: I use-tested that new module you put up on the church website, I didn't find any bugs, is there any other testing you'd like done?20:10
jose___hmm, i see.. well i had a problem the first run (lftp could not be located even it is present on the system) but the 2nd run seems to be fine now20:10
jose___and now it failed again - ltdl/.libs/ltdl.o: no such file or directory, erro 1, iamge magick make did not complete successfully20:15
jose___guess i should install it first20:15
jose___should i delete wre after each build failure?20:38
cheecheeojose___: IMHO, yes20:38
jose___ouch.. thats gonna hurt20:39
jose___fine then20:39
cheecheeojose___: the first time you build the WRE you'll probably 5 or 6 of those errors because you haven't installed the dependencies, there used to be a list of the WRE dependencies floating around somewhere though20:42
+perlDreamercheecheeo: no, and thanks for the tests.  The wG 7.0 version will be much more featureful and GPL'ed20:44
jose___welll.. i guess everything 'cept for imagemagick was already in20:44
cheecheeoperlDreamer: no problem, can't wait to see it20:45
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jose___do i want sasl module?21:26
jose___says it is optional21:26
+perlDreamerare you going to do encrypted web pages?21:26
jose___maybe later, yes21:26
+perlDreamerthen install it21:26
jose___gssapi?21:27
+perlDreamergesundheit21:27
jose___health?21:28
+perlDreamerbad pun.  I don't know what gssapi is for21:28
+crythiasgssapi ... dyslexic asthmatics?21:44
cheecheeodependencies for libsasl2 on Debian:21:46
cheecheeolibgssapi-dev - header files and docs for libgssapi21:46
cheecheeolibgssapi1 - A mechanism-switch gssapi library21:46
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jose___do i want xml:saax to alter parserdetails.ini?22:17
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walakihi22:20
jose___said yes22:23
jose___walaki: hi22:23
jose___WRE ERROR: libapreq2 make did not complete successfully22:31
cheecheeojose___: you'll have to post more than that22:34
cheecheeo*pase22:34
cheecheeo*paste22:34
jose___false22:36
jose___makefile error 122:36
jose___leaving dir /..glue/perl22:36
jose___error 222:36
jose___leaving dir ../glue22:36
jose___not very verbose i tell you22:36
+perlDreamergo into the perl directory and type make to see the actual error22:37
walakibye all22:39
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jose___the compilation went fine in this case22:40
jose___in wrebuild/source/perl/modules/liapreq..22:41
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wouter_procolixHi all :)23:09
+perlDreamerhey, wouter!23:09
wouter_procolixA (hopefully) short question:23:09
wouter_procolixsince the cache settings per asset are gone....23:09
wouter_procolixHow do I disable the cache for one page?23:09
+perlDreamerOff the top of my head, I don't know23:10
wouter_procolixI made a Search macro, but after the first query it always returns the same results :(23:10
+perlDreamerbut JT may have discussed it on the dev list a while ago23:10
+perlDreamerwhen the he first proposed the topic23:10
wouter_procolixHmm, then I'll check my mailbox... Can't remember though.23:10
+perlDreamerwouldn't you need to disable caching anywhere that your macro was used?23:11
+perlDreamerthat won't be easy23:11
wouter_procolixYes, preferably in the Macro itself, but since it's only one page, and only a temporary solution (until the search functionality of WebGUI 7 works fine), it's not a big deal to disable the cache for that page.23:12
wouter_procolixIn WebGUI 6.8.x it works just fine.23:12
+perlDreamerwhat's wrong with the wG 7 search?23:12
wouter_procolixAs far as I know it doesn't work.23:14
wouter_procolixThat's what I heard, from different people..23:14
+perlDreamerI've seen people posting bugs about it, that it displays objects that are deleted, but aside from that it's supposed to work.23:14
wouter_procolixAnd there are some clients of us running WG6.8.x who can't wait until WG7.23:15
+perlDreamerI see23:15
wouter_procolixI haven't tried it yet, I should do that soon :)23:15
wouter_procolixBy the way, perlDreamer == Colin ?23:15
+perlDreameryes23:15
+perlDreamerit's me23:15
wouter_procolixAbout your call for docs....23:16
wouter_procolixI had on my list (but no time yet) to clarify the explanations of "Start Month" and "End Month" in the EventsCalendar.23:16
+perlDreamerI can take a look at that23:16
wouter_procolixIt took me a while to figure out what all the options were. It's a little bit confusing if you're not familiar with it.23:16
+perlDreameryeah, very23:16
+perlDreamerI'll add it to my TODO list23:17
wouter_procolixBecause it really is more of a restriction, a filter so to say...23:17
wouter_procolixNot really where the calendar will start.23:17
wouter_procolixOkay, thanks.23:17
wouter_procolixI also added a "owner" variable a while ago.23:17
+perlDreamerto the calendar?23:17
wouter_procolixMaybe you can check if I explained the meaning of that good enough.23:17
wouter_procolixYes.23:17
+perlDreamerI'll have a good look at it, then.23:17
wouter_procolixSo you can do something like <span class="<tmpl_var owner>">.... </span>23:18
wouter_procolixWe have different colors for different people :)23:18
wouter_procolixIt's pretty ugly at the moment (our Intranet calender), but usefull nevertheless ;-)23:18
wouter_procolixOh, about the caching:23:19
wouter_procolixI think it's possible to control or disable caching for wobjects.23:19
wouter_procolixBut it's more difficult to do it for individual pages or macro's.23:19
+perlDreamerbut not impossible?23:20
wouter_procolixI hope not...23:20
+perlDreamer;)23:20
wouter_procolixIn the worst case it might require a major hack in the way caching is processed now.23:20
wouter_procolixWell, I'll re-read the old mails, maybe I'll find some usefull comments in it.23:21
wouter_procolixThanks for your help.23:21
+perlDreameryou're welcome23:21
wouter_procolixokay, bye bye23:21
+perlDreamerbye23:21
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ckotilhey i was the one blowing up the boards today about group inheritance. i simply cannot get it to work.01:25
+perlDreamerwhich version of wG are you using?01:34
ckotil6.99.501:35
+perlDreamergroup inheritance works in 6.99.501:35
+perlDreamerit's been very extensively tested01:35
ckotilin my latest post i setup a demo site.01:35
ckotilyeah. i understand i must be doing something wrong.01:35
+perlDreamerso by no access you mean your users can't see the page or is it some other action?01:36
ckotildo you have time to take a look at the demo site and see what im doing wrong? perhaps setup an example of group inheritance01:36
ckotilmy users cant see the page01:37
ckotilunless they are explicitly in the group01:37
+perlDreamerI have some time, so let's try a compromise01:37
+perlDreamer1) Set up 5 users named one, two, three, four and five01:37
+perlDreamer2) set up 3 groups, leaf, branch, tree01:37
+perlDreamer3) make branch be a member of tree01:37
+perlDreamer4) make leaf be a member of branch01:38
+perlDreameradd user one to branch01:38
+perlDreameradd user two to leaf01:38
+perlDreamerand user three to tree01:38
+perlDreamerleave users four and five alone01:38
+perlDreamercreate a page with 3 articles, 1 article for each group to view.01:38
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+perlDreamereach article should say something like "Hi leaf" or "Hi branch" or "Hi tree".01:39
+perlDreamerand have appropriate groupToView settings01:39
+perlDreamereach test user should have a password that is the same as his user name 01:40
ckotilk , users and groups are created. now til populate the gruops01:40
ckotilhttp://demo.plainblack.com/demo1151527769_30/home is wehre im working btw01:40
ckotilAdmin/123qwe01:40
ckotildone01:44
+perlDreamerwhich page has the three articles?01:45
ckotilgroup inheritance01:45
ckotiltop menu all the way to the right01:45
+perlDreamerand you set up the group hierarchy?01:49
+perlDreamerbecause I'm not seeing them01:49
+perlDreamerI'm looking at branch, and it says it has no member groups01:49
ckotili didnt , sorry, ill do it now01:50
+perlDreamerthat should make a big difference :)01:50
ckotil;]01:51
+perlDreamerlet me know when you're ready01:51
ckotilready01:52
ckotilits setup.01:52
ckotilit works .01:52
+perlDreamercool!01:52
ckotili apreciate it01:52
+perlDreamerno problem.01:52
ckotili hope i can replicate this on my webgui install01:52
+perlDreamershouldn't be too hard01:52
ckotiltho this is how i understood it to work01:52
ckotilya01:53
+perlDreamerbut I think you found a bug01:53
+perlDreamerI see two admin entries under branch01:53
+perlDreamergo file it as a bug, and get 10 karma01:53
ckotilAdmin gets added in by default to every new group.01:53
ckotilkiller.01:53
+perlDreamerright, but only once01:53
ckotilwill do.01:53
ckotilheh i made dinner while doing all this just now01:53
ckotilmade fish and salad01:53
+perlDreameronce you get it, wG is supposed to be easy01:54
+perlDreamerand for the most part it is01:54
+perlDreamerit's getting up the learning curve that's hard01:54
+perlDreamerit's a big, complex, powerful system01:54
ckotilim just setting up the site structure right now. im waiting on our web designer to deliver the site design.then the real fun starts. when i try to turn her design into a webgui template01:54
ckotilim loving it so far01:55
ckotili used mambo/joomla in the past01:55
ckotiland its gruop access control was.... limited01:55
+perlDreameris that why you switched?01:55
ckotilyes. had to01:55
ckotili work for indiana university and the global research NOC01:55
ckotilhttp://globalnoc.iu.edu01:55
ckotilredesigning these pages. consolidating them into one system01:56
ckotiland webgui fit the mold01:56
+perlDreamercool01:56
ckotilim going to put an order in for web gui done right soon01:56
ckotilmay even attend the Vegas conference01:57
+perlDreamerI'd highly recommend the conference.01:57
+perlDreamerand not only because I'll be speaking there.01:57
+perlDreamerit's a very cost effective way to get trained on the whole system.01:57
ckotilah. excellent01:58
+crythiassigh01:58
+crythiasI'm sorry I've not been as helpful as I could have ben.01:58
+perlDreamerit's okay, ben understands01:58
+crythiasheh01:58
+crythiasthat ben.01:59
+crythiasI feel for the people who have been installing reqs on their own.01:59
+crythiasI've done it on several systems, and it's just one after another...02:00
ckotilis that for systems that you guys manage?02:00
+crythiasNot on my side. I just help people get installed. I don't work for plainblack.02:01
ckotilah nice.02:01
ckotili like the idea behind there business model.02:01
ckotilvery innovative02:01
+crythiasit's not as if it's impossible, but it certainly isn't the easiest.02:02
+crythiasPersonally, I'm waiting for the screams of the 5.x'rs who can't upgrade.02:02
+perlDreamerdo you mean who can't figure it out, or who are unable?02:03
+crythiasit'll be a slow and arduous journey.02:03
+crythiasto answer your question: both.02:04
+crythiasmost won't be able to upgrade for one reason or another. Starting with running MySQL 3.x02:04
+crythiasor even IIS/postgresql02:04
+perlDreamerthey made those choices,  and PB has been very public about letting people know what wG does now.02:05
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+perlDreamerat least an upgrade path exists, right?02:09
+crythiaswell... kinda02:09
+crythiasnot an obvious path.02:09
+perlDreamerI guess I don't get the "obvious" part.02:10
+perlDreamereverything is documented in gotchas.02:10
+perlDreamersome people using IIS or postgresql will either need to switch to Apache/mySQL or stay where they are02:10
+crythiaswe're talking about at least three major steps 02:10
+perlDreameryes, but they're well defined02:10
+crythias6.2 is ok, but then it's 6.5, 6.8, then 702:10
+perlDreamerI run a pretty vanilla wG, and I thought that aside from running the upgrades that we'd need to hack 4-5 templates02:11
+perlDreamerthat's not too bad.02:11
ckotilhey perlDreamer those 2 Admin entrys under branch you saw....One is on the same level as branch and the other is in leaf02:28
ckotili think its working fine.02:29
+perlDreamerah, okay02:29
+perlDreameralthough it shouldn't show users from member groups02:29
ckotilAdmin is a group02:31
+perlDreamerand a user02:31
ckotilevery new group you make Admin is there by deault02:31
+perlDreameryup02:32
+perlDreamerbut he shouldn't be there twice02:32
ckotildo you mind filing the bug then?02:32
+perlDreamerno, I'll do it02:33
ckotilcool.02:33
ckotilOK there is a bug02:35
ckotilhttp://demo.plainblack.com/demo1151527769_30/home login as two/two02:36
+perlDreamerneed a few minutes02:36
ckotilno articles are shown. and two should show up.02:36
ckotilno prob02:36
+perlDreamerduring the day I build chips for cellphone batteries02:36
+perlDreamerand use a little time for wG hackery02:36
+perlDreamerokay, logged in02:37
ckotiluser two is in group leaf02:39
ckotilthe leaf article requires group leaf02:39
ckotilyet nothing shows.02:39
ckotilcool02:40
ckotilnow the fact that there is a group Leaf and leaf02:41
ckotilmight be throwing it off.02:41
+perlDreamerI hope not02:41
ckotilbut there is also Tree and tree02:41
+perlDreamerthe names are for display.  The ID's behind them are unique02:41
ckotilso i doubt thats it02:41
ckotilright, i figured that02:41
ckotillong ID ;]02:41
ckotilthis scares me.02:53
ckotilwell at least user one works. user two doesnt :/ hope i dont run into this problem on my site.02:58
ckotilonly real problem i have been having is that www_edituser bug. I need to add that function to my pluggable authentication module02:59
ckotiland user three also works as it should.03:01
+perlDreamerheadin' home.  I might have some time tonight to look at this again.03:03
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ckotilcool man.03:03
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Radix-wrkAnyone here use WRE?05:07
ckotilI didnt know about it when i first learned of wG. So i went the conventional method06:22
Radix-wrkyeah, me neither, using debian myself, but encountered a wierd bug with navigation that only exhibits itself on this setup (some perl library is doing something wierd) - so wondering if the WRE is a better way to go.06:23
Radix-wrkThing is.. it's never worked for me (on debian)06:24
Radix-wrkso wondering who is using the WRE and what platform they're using06:24
ckotilim not sure06:24
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+perlDreamerckotil: I'm trying to dupe your test here at home on my laptop06:53
+perlDreamerI'll let you know how it goes06:53
Radix-wrkhey perldreamer - do you use the wre?  if so, what platform have you used it on?07:04
+perlDreamersorry, I wre-less07:04
+perlDreamerhaven't used it yet07:04
Radix-wrkahh k07:04
Radix-wrkany of you guys going to the WUC?07:07
+perlDreameryup07:07
Radix-wrkwhere ya staying? :)07:07
Radix-wrkI'm just looking at hotels atm07:08
+perlDreamerfor the first few days, at the conference site07:08
+perlDreamerwe booked them a while ago07:08
Radix-wrkfair enough07:08
Radix-wrkWell I'll be there - just haven't organised accomodation yet :)07:11
+perlDreamergood luck07:12
+perlDreamerbooking hotels in Vegas seems hard07:12
Radix-wrkwhy?07:13
+perlDreamerwe wanted to stay an extra night at the hotel, but they would only book us two nights07:13
+perlDreamerthey said some big motorcycle convention is in town and that everyone was doing that07:14
Radix-wrkthis the friday, saturday thing?07:14
+perlDreameryeah07:14
Radix-wrkI'll be staying until sunday anyway, so that suits me fine07:14
Radix-wrkwas hoping to see some of the sights while I'm there, so will use saturday/sunday for that07:15
Radix-wrkwill be the first time to the US for me07:15
+perlDreamerwhere are you coming from?07:15
Radix-wrkperth, western australia07:16
+perlDreamerwow07:16
Radix-wrklong way away :)07:16
+perlDreamerI'm just flying down from Oregon to Nevada07:16
Radix-wrkwill be a ~25 hour flight for me07:17
Radix-wrkshould be fun anyway :)07:18
+perlDreamergood hacking time07:18
+perlDreameroy07:51
+perlDreamerjust found a major bug in wG07:51
Radix-wrkoh?08:08
+perlDreamerit looks like a bug in groups; I just added it to the bug list08:09
+perlDreameractually, ckotil found it, I just documented it.08:09
Radix-wrkthis to do with sql lookups not working?08:09
+perlDreamerI don't think so.08:09
Radix-wrkor rather.. not working the first time, but working afterwards?08:09
+perlDreamernope, definitely not that08:10
+perlDreamercheck out the bug for all the gory details08:10
+perlDreamerhttp://www.plainblack.com/bugs/tracker/user/group-problem#FK1VSFpx8alFpm7FnnGYog08:10
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newtrinoi knew something wierd was going on with groups.08:26
newtrinotime for bed. I work in the morning.08:26
+perlDreamerthe weird part is that the main Group test still passes08:26
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+perlDreameryo!21:18
@snapcountkind of lonely in here21:18
@snapcounthowdy ho neighbor21:18
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ckotilperlDreamer: i jsut grabbed the nightly build, and group inheritance works flawlessly21:22
ckotilthanks for the help21:22
@snapcountColin, you know anything about uControllers and LCD21:22
+perlDreamerckotil: you're welcome21:22
+perlDreameryou still need to go back and fix any group that you've already created to give it a non-zero expireTime21:23
+perlDreamersnapcount: I know a little about uCs, not much about LCD21:23
ckotilk21:23
+perlDreamerare you branching out again?21:23
@snapcountI have a uController that's using an ADC to measure a voltage21:23
+perlDreameryes21:23
@snapcountI normalize/scale the value to volts in a word sized variable21:24
+perlDreamerw21:24
@snapcountthe LCD is expecting half a char at a time in ASCII21:24
@snapcountsorry21:24
@snapcountit's a byte, not a word21:24
@snapcountso the upper four bits21:25
@snapcountlatch21:25
@snapcountlower 421:25
@snapcountlatch21:25
@snapcountthen it displays it21:25
@snapcountso, to convert the number to ASCII21:25
@snapcountI'm adding 48 to my measurement21:25
@snapcountbut I got all kinds of funky chars21:26
+perlDreamerhow many digits of display in the LCD?21:26
@snapcountit's a two row, 18 char I think21:26
@snapcountmy measurement is only 4 digits21:26
@snapcountIf I send it a fixed value21:27
@snapcountit displays21:27
@snapcountso, 53 for example displays a 321:27
+perlDreamerwhat is the full scale of the ADC?21:27
@snapcountIt has to have something to do with the math21:27
+perlDreameryeah21:27
@snapcount0 - 25521:28
+perlDreamerand you'd like to display binary 0 to 255 or volts?21:28
@snapcountvolts21:28
+perlDreamerwhat is the full scale input voltage of the ADC?21:28
@snapcountso 0 is 0 volts21:28
@snapcountand 255 is 5vdc21:28
@snapcountso like 18.9mV / step21:28
@snapcountif I remember right21:28
+perlDreamersounds right21:29
@snapcountI think the problem is that my converted number in mV is not stored in the way I think it is21:29
+perlDreamerso the problem is how to convert an 8-bit byte into 4 digit decimal with decimal point21:29
@snapcountso when I add 48 to it, I'm getting a funky number21:29
@snapcountan 8 bit byte into a single ascii digit21:30
@snapcount(just loop for the other numbers)21:30
@snapcountI can't even get one digit to work =)21:30
@snapcountso 3 -> 5321:30
@snapcount4 -> 5421:30
@snapcountetc21:30
+perlDreamerare you sure you have the nibbles in the correct order (big endian vs little endian)21:31
@snapcountactually21:31
@snapcountmaybe my measurement isn't stored in the same order as a constant21:32
@snapcountI define a byte called char21:32
@snapcountset it = 321:32
@snapcountthen set char = char + 4821:32
@snapcountsend that to lcd21:32
@snapcountone nib at a time21:32
@snapcountand I get a 321:32
@snapcounton the display21:32
@snapcountif I use the measured value to set char21:33
@snapcountI get funkyness21:33
+perlDreamerdo you have any other interface into the part, like a serial port/ SMB/ oscilloscope/logic analyser?21:33
+perlDreamerso that you could dump out the contents of the measurement?21:33
@snapcountI wish =)21:34
@snapcountmy garage electronics lab is limited lol21:34
+perlDreamerbuild a quick one with LED's, or use two chars in the LCD to show you what you're getting21:34
+perlDreamergotta go, it's running time in Oregon.21:34
+perlDreamerI'll check back later.21:34
@snapcountok man21:34
@snapcountthanks21:34
+perlDreamerno problem.21:34
+perlDreamerI'm an all purpose perlhacker :)21:35
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cheecheeodoes anyone have experiencing setting up multiple webgui instances on seperate machines to do failover?22:06
ckotilThat's something I would like to do with my site. 22:18
ckotilBut i havent put any thouht or research into it.22:19
cheecheeookay, i guess one possibility would be to round robin domain request scheme (like distfiles.gentoo.org) and have identical webgui instances all pulling from the same database on each domain. That's my first guess at least.22:22
ckotilbut if the  same db goes down. *GASP*22:22
cheecheeofailover DB (though only one time failover)22:24
cheecheeothat's a little bit easier, may cause some network saturation though22:24
ckotilhow do you keep them in sync?22:24
cheecheeomaster/slave MySQL databases (I think)22:25
ckotilthe 'failover db' , seems very possible22:25
ckotilId keep asking around to see if its been done b422:25
ckotilthe guys in here will respond when they come around.22:25
cheecheeoyeah, i've been reading up on it, the issue isn't reading, but updates and writes, you end up having to set up one of the databases as a master and the other as a slave, and since we're not going to be using networked storage, it's hard to guarantee that both databases are always in sync.22:28
+perlDreamerthere was a lot of talk at last year's WUC about doing that.22:37
+perlDreameryou should see if you can find a conference CD22:37
cheecheeoperlDreamer: would you want to take on the task as a webgui consultant?22:41
+perlDreamerI do perl and WebGUI.  Sysadmin stuff isn't my bag.22:41
+perlDreamerplus I'm currently engaged by someone else22:41
+perlDreamerif I were to recommend someone, it would be Len Kranendonk22:42
cheecheeookay, we need 6 failover webgui instances all pulling from the same database (seperate system and architecture) in case anyone interested is listening.22:44
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+perlDreamersnapcount: How's the hardware hacking?23:43
@snapcountBeen bug fixing and taking support calls23:46
@snapcountthis is a night time project23:46
@snapcount=)23:46
+perlDreamerI see23:46
+perlDreamerI've been looking at the session id bug, have you had a chance to look at it?23:47
+perlDreamerhe says he found a session with %2F in it23:52
+perlDreamerexcept %2F isn't supposed to be allowed as a session id23:52
+perlDreamerMD5.pm isn't supposed to output it, like ever.23:52
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