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| xdanger | crythias: do you have an idea when is 6.8.8 comming out ? | 06:57 |
| +crythias | nope | 06:57 |
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| xdanger | crythias: just noticed something that I don't have time to verify, but does denied content (a CS Post for example) ever get expired and moved to trash ? | 10:11 |
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| +crythias | and then the guy said, "what do you mean... legume?" | 19:31 |
| +crythias | oh. :) | 19:31 |
| Baylink | Henh? | 19:33 |
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| xdanger | chansen: did you guys ever post a mail about how to use the Devel::Autoprofiler ? | 20:02 |
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| xdanger | perlDreamer: was there any resolution howto use Devel::Autoprofiler or something like that ? | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | last I heard they put something into to core, though | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but that was months ago | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | are you talking about something recent? | 21:01 |
| xdanger | the thing that was talked about on the dev-list a fe moths a go.. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, then yeah | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the core | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | if you check the dev email list, I'm pretty sure Len posted how to set it up | 21:02 |
| xdanger | A | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it basically adds another handler for mod_perl which wraps all subroutines and times them. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | then it post-processes the page and adds the data to it | 21:03 |
| xdanger | i think I just didn't look hard enough... | 21:04 |
| chansen | xdanger: pong | 21:10 |
| chansen | ah, already resolved :) | 21:10 |
| xdanger | does that work in 6.8 ? | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | uh | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | guessing not | 21:14 |
| chansen | xdanger: you could try http://search.cpan.org/dist/Apache-DB/lib/Apache/SmallProf.pm | 21:14 |
| WRE | <chansen> http://tinyurl.com/ehpkw | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the end goal? | 21:15 |
| xdanger | yes it worked in 6.8 | 21:22 |
| xdanger | I'm just having a problem that my files in CS doesn't show... | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using the default templates? | 21:22 |
| xdanger | nope, but was there a any changes in thouse between 6.7 and 6.8 | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt it | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you could find out by checking the update files | 21:25 |
| xdanger | I'm upgrading a client of mine to use 6.8 and it has some custom changes in Storage.pm (mainly to sort file list and iclude metadata in files) | 21:25 |
| xdanger | A did, but didn't notice anything | 21:25 |
| xdanger | oh, yeah... if I add a new post it works, only ALL the old files in any cs don't work | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose you upgraded from Mysql 4 to Mysql 5 recently? | 21:53 |
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| xdanger | perlDreamer: still using 4.1 but I have re on my dev box that I'm testing the upgrade on.. | 22:10 |
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| bcnx | Hi all | 22:31 |
| bcnx | I'm officially going crazy | 22:31 |
| bcnx | it's been 4 weeks now and WebGUI hasn't run longer than 3 days in a row | 22:32 |
| bcnx | had all sorts of problems | 22:32 |
| bcnx | it finally looked OK, and now this again | 22:32 |
| bcnx | any specialists around? | 22:32 |
| xdanger | are you using wre ? | 22:37 |
| bcnx | no, that's not really an option | 22:38 |
| xdanger | hat version of wg ? | 22:38 |
| xdanger | what | 22:38 |
| bcnx | 6.8.7 | 22:38 |
| bcnx | latest | 22:38 |
| xdanger | are you using Apache::SizeLimit ? | 22:38 |
| xdanger | webgui leaks memory | 22:38 |
| bcnx | aha | 22:38 |
| xdanger | apache process get too large | 22:38 |
| bcnx | I had signs of a memory leak | 22:39 |
| bcnx | but I restarted Apache already several times | 22:39 |
| xdanger | there's your answer ;) | 22:39 |
| bcnx | shouldn't the issue be resolved when restarting Apache then? | 22:39 |
| xdanger | yes.. I think so | 22:40 |
| bcnx | well, it doesn't ... | 22:40 |
| xdanger | try to do a complete apachectl stop;apachectl start | 22:41 |
| xdanger | does that solve it ? | 22:41 |
| bcnx | let me try | 22:41 |
| bcnx | vope | 22:41 |
| bcnx | nope | 22:41 |
| bcnx | same thing | 22:41 |
| bcnx | I get this all the time in my log file: | 22:42 |
| bcnx | Can't call method "quote" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm | 22:42 |
| bcnx | that points to a conf fiel with wrong mysql info | 22:42 |
| bcnx | but that's not the case | 22:42 |
| bcnx | I can connect and testEnvironment.pl works flawlessly | 22:42 |
| xdanger | mysql running ? | 22:42 |
| bcnx | surez | 22:43 |
| bcnx | sure | 22:43 |
| xdanger | try turning debug on | 22:43 |
| bcnx | of WebGUI? | 22:43 |
| xdanger | hmm... well you can't since you can't connect to it =D | 22:43 |
| xdanger | my bad | 22:43 |
| bcnx | :-) | 22:43 |
| xdanger | does that hapen on every page ? | 22:44 |
| bcnx | I can do sql dumps and stuff | 22:44 |
| bcnx | I tried the homepage | 22:44 |
| xdanger | and what is your mysql version ? | 22:44 |
| bcnx | let me try another | 22:44 |
| bcnx | 5 | 22:44 |
| bcnx | yup, every page | 22:44 |
| bcnx | and thinking I just offered to help translating WebGUI to Dutch :-s | 22:45 |
| bcnx | need to get it working first :-( | 22:45 |
| xdanger | have consulted with the dutch team ? | 22:45 |
| bcnx | not about this issue, no | 22:45 |
| xdanger | ment avout the translation | 22:46 |
| xdanger | about | 22:46 |
| bcnx | yes, I got in touch with some guy: Arjan Widlak | 22:46 |
| bcnx | of WOSSA | 22:46 |
| xdanger | is your site online at some public address ? | 22:46 |
| bcnx | yes | 22:46 |
| bcnx | http://www.bitsntricks.com | 22:46 |
| bcnx | well, "online" ... | 22:47 |
| bcnx | :-) | 22:47 |
| xdanger | nice domain =) | 22:47 |
| bcnx | thank you! :-$ | 22:47 |
| bcnx | I need some tricks now :-) | 22:47 |
| xdanger | look at webgui.log | 22:47 |
| xdanger | maybe that will help something | 22:47 |
| bcnx | I did, nothing in there | 22:47 |
| xdanger | and apache log ? | 22:47 |
| xdanger | well apache error log ;) | 22:48 |
| bcnx | there I get the "call method "quote" " thing | 22:48 |
| bcnx | Can't call method "quote" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm | 22:48 |
| xdanger | that sounds like something todo with your databases integrity.. | 22:49 |
| xdanger | make a nother db in mysql and install the default/install sql there and try that one.. | 22:49 |
| bcnx | well, I tried with an empy one | 22:49 |
| bcnx | yeah, did just that | 22:50 |
| xdanger | ok, didn't work ? | 22:50 |
| bcnx | clean WebGUI db | 22:50 |
| bcnx | no, strange huh | 22:50 |
| xdanger | wery =) | 22:50 |
| xdanger | very =) | 22:50 |
| bcnx | yeah | 22:50 |
| bcnx | it's amazing, the amoutn of bad luck I had | 22:50 |
| bcnx | I stil feel WebGUI is the bomb, but I'd love to see it finally running smoothly | 22:51 |
| xdanger | what's the os ? | 22:51 |
| bcnx | I'm glad it's just for me, not for a customer :-s | 22:51 |
| bcnx | Suse SLES9 | 22:51 |
| xdanger | =P | 22:51 |
| bcnx | Because of some previous issues I already upgraded Perl and MySQL | 22:53 |
| bcnx | but it ran OK for some days | 22:53 |
| bcnx | mmm, I see webgui.log is empty as well for the last two days | 22:53 |
| bcnx | My site wnet down 2 or 3 days ago ... | 22:53 |
| bcnx | odd | 22:53 |
| xdanger | it is | 22:58 |
| xdanger | sorry that I couldn't help you solve that =( | 22:58 |
| bcnx | no problem xdanger, I appreciate the effort | 22:58 |
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| bcnx | thx again xdanger for trying to remedy this "impossible" one | 23:07 |
| bcnx | it looks like I'm going to spend my fifth week in trying ot get WebGUI running | 23:07 |
| +crythias | because? | 23:07 |
| bcnx | hope it runs in time before version 7.0, because than w estart translating | 23:07 |
| bcnx | ow, Hi crythias | 23:08 |
| +crythias | greetings. | 23:08 |
| +crythias | 5 weeks? | 23:08 |
| bcnx | yeah, it's been one thing after the other | 23:08 |
| bcnx | it ws running fine now for 3 whole days | 23:08 |
| bcnx | and now this: | 23:08 |
| bcnx | "Can't call method "quote" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm" | 23:08 |
| bcnx | BUT | 23:08 |
| bcnx | the mysql connection works fine | 23:08 |
| +crythias | usually password | 23:09 |
| bcnx | no issues with user/pass things | 23:09 |
| bcnx | no, cause testEnvironment.pl works OK | 23:09 |
| bcnx | also a sql dump with the same creds works OK | 23:09 |
| +crythias | empty cache? | 23:09 |
| bcnx | how can I do that outside of WebGUI? | 23:09 |
| +crythias | I think it's /tmp/WebGUI.. | 23:10 |
| +crythias | hrm. forgot | 23:10 |
| bcnx | rm -rf ? | 23:10 |
| +crythias | sire | 23:10 |
| +crythias | sure | 23:10 |
| bcnx | ok, hang on | 23:10 |
| bcnx | no luck | 23:11 |
| +crythias | webgui.log? | 23:11 |
| bcnx | empty since the problems | 23:11 |
| +crythias | apache-error.log? | 23:12 |
| bcnx | "Can't call method "quote" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm" | 23:12 |
| +crythias | can you paste more lines? http://www.rafb.net/paste | 23:12 |
| bcnx | I've got only that one | 23:13 |
| bcnx | and this one: | 23:13 |
| bcnx | Can't call method "quote" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 640 | 23:13 |
| bcnx | for just half an hout | 23:13 |
| bcnx | hour | 23:13 |
| bcnx | but now it's the "prepare" thing again | 23:14 |
| bcnx | this is the URL: | 23:14 |
| bcnx | http://www.bitsntricks.com/ | 23:14 |
| +crythias | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/yERAJz35.html | 23:14 |
| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/ql3su | 23:14 |
| +crythias | interesting mod_perl isn't listed ... | 23:15 |
| bcnx | it's loaded though | 23:15 |
| +crythias | this error I encountered I can't troubleshoot. | 23:16 |
| bcnx | at least, I see apache complaining when it's trying to load a second time (need to remoeve that form the conf files) | 23:16 |
| +crythias | not from outside, anyway. | 23:16 |
| bcnx | are there anymore things I can try? | 23:17 |
| +crythias | I'd be willing to look at logs, etc... | 23:17 |
| +crythias | but you not getting webgui.log is telling. | 23:17 |
| +crythias | did you create/modify the log.conf? | 23:17 |
| bcnx | webgui.log is empty for some days | 23:18 |
| bcnx | no, not really | 23:18 |
| bcnx | initially I change dthe logfile path and name | 23:18 |
| bcnx | but that's already some time ago | 23:18 |
| +crythias | but you're not seeing any entries? | 23:26 |
| bcnx | no | 23:26 |
| bcnx | last one os from april second | 23:26 |
| +crythias | that doesn't make sense to me. | 23:26 |
| +crythias | when was the last time apache was restarted? | 23:26 |
| bcnx | the permissions for that file are good nonetheless | 23:26 |
| bcnx | 10 minutes ago | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if you're using MySQL 5, is this an upgrade or did you start with v5? | 23:28 |
| +crythias | currently connection refused | 23:29 |
| bcnx | yeah, am restarting apache | 23:29 |
| bcnx | I'm thinking about restarting the machine | 23:29 |
| bcnx | perldreamer: I think I removed v4 first | 23:30 |
| bcnx | and then installed v5 | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not the problem | 23:30 |
| bcnx | I'm going to reboot the machine | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use a v4 database in v5 then you're going to end up with a corrupt database | 23:30 |
| bcnx | no, I started fresh in v5 | 23:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm starting kind of late in the conversation,but what exactly do you have to do to get the "quote" warning? | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | view a page | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | turn on admin? | 23:33 |
| bcnx | it's not mainly "quote" but the other error | 23:33 |
| bcnx | "prepare" | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see the prepare error in my IRC log, could you paste it please? | 23:34 |
| bcnx | if the machine reboots, I'll paste it | 23:36 |
| bcnx | Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 473 | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing before or after it? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and what did you do to cause it? | 23:42 |
| bcnx | the same error over and over again | 23:43 |
| bcnx | good question | 23:44 |
| bcnx | that last thing I remember was changing the root password for mysql | 23:44 |
| bcnx | but that shouldn't affect anything | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | does it happen when you start the web server? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | or when you view a page? | 23:44 |
| bcnx | When you view the page I think | 23:44 |
| bcnx | let me check | 23:44 |
| bcnx | it happens when visiting the page | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | the home page? | 23:46 |
| bcnx | yes | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what's on the home page? | 23:46 |
| bcnx | you can see for yourself: http://www.bitnstricks.com | 23:46 |
| bcnx | oops | 23:46 |
| bcnx | http://www.bitsntricks.com | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, I mean what assets are on the main page? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | articles, CS, etc? | 23:47 |
| bcnx | ah, ok | 23:47 |
| bcnx | the homepage is empty, only text | 23:48 |
| bcnx | no articles | 23:48 |
| bcnx | nothing else | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | weird | 23:48 |
| bcnx | the last thing I did was experimenting with uploading files | 23:48 |
| bcnx | in other pages | 23:48 |
| bcnx | that didn't workj before and someone here suggeszted upgrading to perl 5.8 | 23:48 |
| bcnx | so I did | 23:49 |
| bcnx | and things still worked | 23:49 |
| bcnx | after a while at least | 23:49 |
| bcnx | three days later: nothing | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No changes to settings or webgui.conf file? | 23:49 |
| bcnx | webgui.conf definitely not | 23:50 |
| bcnx | settings ... | 23:50 |
| bcnx | let me think | 23:50 |
| bcnx | not that I'm aware of | 23:50 |
| bcnx | the funny thing is that testEnvironment.pl works flawlessly | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | testE.pl only checks for modules and other setup type things. | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have backups so that you could reset the site to a time when it worked? | 23:51 |
| bcnx | yes, I tried that, I even tried en "empty" db, but no good | 23:52 |
| bcnx | can try that again now if you wnat | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | what is an empty db? | 23:52 |
| bcnx | I mean the original Webgui database | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so basically you did: | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql -e "drop myDatabase; create database myDatabase" | 23:54 |
| bcnx | correct | 23:54 |
| bcnx | and then redirect create.sql | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | did you clean out the uploads directory and the caches? | 23:54 |
| bcnx | no | 23:54 |
| bcnx | could that be an issue? | 23:54 |
| bcnx | I rm -rf /tmp/WebGUICache though | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | that should cover it | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | what's in your webgui.conf file? | 23:55 |
| bcnx | shall I rm -rf "uploads" too? | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I would | 23:55 |
| bcnx | ok, one sec | 23:55 |
| bcnx | mmm, I got a "-3" folder in uploads | 23:56 |
| bcnx | can't remove that one | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | is it empty now? | 23:57 |
| bcnx | I can't cd into it | 23:57 |
| bcnx | couild that be the culprit? | 23:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 23:57 |
| bcnx | illegal dir name? | 23:57 |
| bcnx | there some other dirs in it, but no file | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not illegal, just painful to use from the command line | 23:58 |
| bcnx | he considers "-3" as an option | 23:58 |
| bcnx | no way to delete it | 23:58 |
| +perlDreamer | try perl -e 'unlink q!-3!;' | 23:58 |
| +crythias | rm -fr \-3 | 23:59 |
| bcnx | of course, the escape thing | 23:59 |
| bcnx | did it | 23:59 |
| bcnx | uploads empty now | 23:59 |
| bcnx | same thing | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | what's in your webgui.conf file? | 23:59 |
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| +crythias | heh | 00:00 |
| +crythias | HEE | 00:00 |
| bcnx | paste it here entirely? | 00:00 |
| +crythias | can't load file (-3) | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you can use crythias's favorite paste utility, but do remember to remove the username/password | 00:00 |
| +crythias | http://www.rafb.net/paste | 00:00 |
| bcnx | ok, let me see | 00:00 |
| bcnx | (thx guys, by the way) | 00:00 |
| +crythias | :) | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | between crythias's awesume admin-fu and my perl hackery, we should be able to get you up and going. | 00:01 |
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| bcnx | nice | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, rizen | 00:02 |
| +crythias | bcnx: | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | how hackest thou, today? | 00:02 |
| bcnx | but I'm afraid I just messed something up here, damn stuck mouse button | 00:02 |
| @rizen | howdy | 00:02 |
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| bcnx | less underlines stuff | 00:03 |
| bcnx | to "more" then :-) | 00:03 |
| bcnx | one minute | 00:03 |
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| +crythias | import create.sql to a new db and point to that in webgui.conf | 00:03 |
| @rizen | i'm waiting for a couple people to get on, then i need to gather feedback | 00:03 |
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| bcnx | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ehq6qA45.html | 00:05 |
| WRE | <bcnx> http://tinyurl.com/qu5tz | 00:05 |
| bcnx | ok, will do that crythias | 00:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | bcnx: what's your WebGUI root directory? | 00:06 |
| +crythias | and did you change it in preload.perl? | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | exactly! | 00:06 |
| * perlDreamer hands crythias a psychic antenna | 00:06 | |
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| * crythias adds the psychic antenna to his tinfoil hat. | 00:07 | |
| +perlDreamer | and why didn't you just use /data? | 00:07 |
| bcnx | because I'm using a HA-cluster | 00:08 |
| @rizen | ok boys and girls, i need to have a quick chat and see what feedback everyone has for me | 00:08 |
| bcnx | and the shared storage is on /work | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | symlink it to /data? | 00:08 |
| @rizen | this is re: 7.0 and page caching | 00:08 |
| bcnx | crythias, an alternative db does not help | 00:08 |
| @rizen | in the past we had page level caching, that only cached the content | 00:08 |
| @rizen | this was problematic because it didn't cache the headers | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | bcnx: make a paste of your vhost setup for WebGUI | 00:09 |
| @rizen | and therefore if the header was not returning content type of text/html we'd have a problem | 00:09 |
| bcnx | crythias, can't send private messages it seems | 00:09 |
| bcnx | ICQ? | 00:09 |
| @psychicAnt | bcnx: you have to register with freenode | 00:09 |
| +crythias | rizen: understood | 00:10 |
| @rizen | also, caching of Page Layouts is a problem because individual assets under page layouts can change faster than the layout's cache timeout | 00:10 |
| @rizen | len and i considered the benefits of caching the entire page including headers | 00:10 |
| @rizen | we thought that might be a good idea, but that doesn't solve the page layout problem | 00:10 |
| @rizen | AND more importantly | 00:10 |
| @rizen | that creates a new problem | 00:10 |
| @rizen | in that the HTTP headers may include cookie information | 00:11 |
| @rizen | which means that users might get each other's sessions | 00:11 |
| +crythias | bad | 00:11 |
| @rizen | yup, very bad | 00:11 |
| @rizen | so full page caching is now out the window | 00:11 |
| @rizen | also in 7.0 one more thing complicates full page caching | 00:11 |
| @rizen | and that is the concept of content chunking | 00:11 |
| @rizen | content chunking works like this | 00:11 |
| @rizen | we send back the HTML header | 00:11 |
| @rizen | then each asset seperately | 00:12 |
| @rizen | then the HTML footer | 00:12 |
| @rizen | HTML header and footer being split out of the style template | 00:12 |
| @rizen | [this enables us to render pages more quickly | 00:12 |
| @rizen | now, even without caching, pages are rendering much faster than they were under 6.8 | 00:12 |
| @rizen | however, i'd still like to enable caching of content because it reduces server load | 00:13 |
| @rizen | but i think we're going to need to do it on a per asset basis | 00:13 |
| @rizen | certain kinds of assets should probably never cache | 00:13 |
| @rizen | for example: polls and surveys | 00:13 |
| @rizen | however, other kinds, articles, images, collaboration system posts | 00:13 |
| @rizen | etc | 00:13 |
| @rizen | probably can cache | 00:13 |
| @rizen | now after all that background information | 00:14 |
| @rizen | i pose the question to you guys: what do you think we should cache or shouldn't cache? | 00:14 |
| @rizen | how should caching work in your mind? | 00:14 |
| +crythias | what you said: polls, surveys, sqlreports | 00:14 |
| +crythias | wsclients | 00:14 |
| @rizen | and do you have any problems from the prior caching mechanisms that we need to make sure we account for? | 00:14 |
| +perlDreamer | in/out board should be a no-cache | 00:15 |
| +crythias | actually would suggest [x] Cache this. | 00:16 |
| @rizen | perhaps i should start with a simple question. Does everyone agree that full page caching needs to go away? | 00:16 |
| +crythias | Yes | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:17 |
| @rizen | have i lost everyone else? | 00:17 |
| +crythias | because there's no easy way to enforce static-ish content only on a page | 00:17 |
| @psychicAnt | we'll need to differentiate between www_ methods and other methods, such as view() | 00:17 |
| @psychicAnt | b/c the output (content, <head>block stuff) of view() would need to be cached for when a wobject is viewed in its parent Layout | 00:18 |
| Jamie | yes full page needs to go away | 00:18 |
| Meatbop | Agreed | 00:18 |
| @rizen | ok, since the people responding seem to agree with that | 00:19 |
| @rizen | do we also then agree that it should be caching at the asset level? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | how does that work for Asset containers? | 00:19 |
| @rizen | asset containers are just assets | 00:20 |
| @rizen | we need to decide whether the asset needs to cache or not | 00:20 |
| @rizen | anything can be a container | 00:20 |
| @rizen | a poll for instance | 00:20 |
| +crythias | even a page layout? | 00:20 |
| @rizen | or an article, can theoretically be a container | 00:20 |
| @rizen | so whether it is a container or not can't matter | 00:20 |
| @rizen | in the case of a layout, we'll have to say that no, it shouldnt' cache | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, okay then | 00:21 |
| @rizen | because it will show any assets under it | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | with that caveat, I agree about asset-level caching | 00:21 |
| @rizen | and those things may not be static | 00:21 |
| @rizen | ok...and i think even further than asset level caching | 00:21 |
| @rizen | we may want to decide to cache only on specific methods iwthin an asset | 00:21 |
| @rizen | so basically, the asset developer decides whether there is caching or not | 00:22 |
| @rizen | completely through the asset | 00:22 |
| @psychicAnt | if I may throw this out there - could we even consider the possibility of caching certain portions of certain templates...? | 00:22 |
| @rizen | we don't include caching on wobjects | 00:22 |
| @rizen | or whatever | 00:22 |
| @rizen | it's a per asset basis | 00:22 |
| @rizen | completely up to the developer | 00:22 |
| @rizen | psychicAnt: I'm listening, what do you have in mind? | 00:23 |
| @rizen | meanwhile, let's go down the list of assets | 00:24 |
| @psychicAnt | if one could mark certain regions of templates cache-able, an intelligent template-output cacher could cache the output of that template processing, and only process the portions of that template that aren't marked as cachable | 00:24 |
| @rizen | i understand that | 00:24 |
| @psychicAnt | since generally it's not the template variable generation that's slow; it's the template processing | 00:25 |
| @rizen | but what i don't understand | 00:25 |
| @rizen | is how would we go about caching only parts of them | 00:25 |
| @rizen | in a generic way | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | psychicAnt: If we go with rizen's asset level caching proposal, that could be done with a particular Template asset. | 00:25 |
| @rizen | that seems like it would have to be on a per asset basis | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | since each asset decides what it caches | 00:25 |
| bcnx | Perldreamer, I'm off. thx for your assistance. tomorrow is another day. | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | bcnx: good luck | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | Event: yes/no, problems? | 00:25 |
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| +crythias | cache event | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | event, yes, events calendar: problems | 00:26 |
| @rizen | what problems on events calendar? | 00:26 |
| @rizen | File: yes/no, problems? | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | if the events calendar is set to display "NOW", then you could cache output past the date when an event would be on the calendar | 00:27 |
| @pbmdawg | timezone problems | 00:27 |
| +crythias | File: cache | 00:27 |
| +crythias | although.. wait. that's silly | 00:27 |
| @rizen | file does have a template gerald | 00:27 |
| @pbmdawg | rizen: are we talking about the view() methods of each of these assets? | 00:27 |
| @pbmdawg | or all the methods? | 00:28 |
| @rizen | for right now e're probably just talking about view methods | 00:28 |
| +crythias | the template for file is listing the file? | 00:28 |
| @rizen | but eventually we'll need to make a judgement on other methods | 00:28 |
| @pbmdawg | crythias: yes. in a Folder or Layout. | 00:28 |
| @rizen | the template for the file show the icon | 00:28 |
| @rizen | the file name | 00:28 |
| @rizen | and a link to the file | 00:28 |
| +crythias | cache | 00:28 |
| @rizen | going back to the time zone thingy | 00:29 |
| @rizen | on events | 00:29 |
| @rizen | we'll still have to cache on a per user basis | 00:29 |
| @rizen | or are you saying it's not worth caching | 00:29 |
| @rizen | cuz we have to do it on a per user basis? | 00:29 |
| @pbmdawg | imho things very few things at all should be cached on a per user basis, except for Visitor. | 00:30 |
| +crythias | why per user? why not per group? | 00:30 |
| @pbmdawg | can't cache per group b/c of groupsOfGroups | 00:30 |
| +crythias | how does that matter? | 00:30 |
| @rizen | ok, so you're saying only cache for visitor? | 00:30 |
| @rizen | and everything else renders live? | 00:30 |
| @rizen | what does everyone else think of that? | 00:31 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah. for large sites, you don't want 10,000 versions of things | 00:31 |
| @pbmdawg | in the cache | 00:31 |
| +crythias | ++pbmdawg | 00:31 |
| @rizen | meatbop, vrby, perlDreamer? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you should cache events, and not cache the calendar | 00:32 |
| @pbmdawg | but then if you could mark certain methods of each asset class (or certain sections of each asset class' template(s)) as cache-able, you could get really fancy and fine-tuned) | 00:32 |
| @pbmdawg | oh, I was talking about everything, not just Event | 00:32 |
| @pbmdawg | can't cache Events under the current implementation, because epochToHuman is TZ/user dependent | 00:33 |
| @rizen | of the 11 people logged in, are only 3 of us paying attention? | 00:33 |
| Meatbop | I do like the idea of caching for visitors only, but would that be taxing for those that use the system primarily as an intranet? | 00:33 |
| @rizen | yes | 00:33 |
| @rizen | however | 00:33 |
| @rizen | the question is, how often will people visit the same object | 00:33 |
| @rizen | within the period of the cache timeout | 00:34 |
| @rizen | so for instance, if i have a cached article | 00:34 |
| @rizen | how many times will you view that article before your cache times out | 00:34 |
| @rizen | i suspect if we have it only caching for 10 minutes | 00:34 |
| @rizen | once | 00:34 |
| @rizen | but if we can do our caching carefully | 00:35 |
| @rizen | and cache things for hours or even days | 00:35 |
| +crythias | heh. What if the cache is deleted upon edit/save. | 00:35 |
| @pbmdawg | maybe we should think about two dimensions here, per-user and per-time. If we could mark template sections or asset class methods as cache-able in each of those axes, we could get really specific for both caching aspects. | 00:35 |
| @rizen | then maybe it makes sense to cache for regular users | 00:35 |
| @rizen | gerald: cache is already deleted upon save | 00:35 |
| @rizen | it just doesn't feel like that | 00:35 |
| @rizen | because of layout caching | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think you can cache that long on things that expire with time, like Events | 00:36 |
| +crythias | fine then cache an event until it expires. | 00:36 |
| @rizen | matt: forget about caching specfic parts of templates..i'm not saying we're not doing it | 00:36 |
| @rizen | but it's not relevant to this conversation | 00:36 |
| @rizen | because it will have to be done on a per asset basis | 00:36 |
| @rizen | and we're talking about more general things right now | 00:37 |
| @pbmdawg | k | 00:37 |
| @rizen | gerald: i think that you're right about events | 00:37 |
| @rizen | cache until the event expires or is edited | 00:37 |
| @rizen | so in that case, event's don't have a seperate cache settings | 00:37 |
| @rizen | however, i think events should also only be cached for visitors | 00:37 |
| +crythias | doesn't matter, really, does it? | 00:38 |
| @rizen | because it's not likely that individual users will view an event more than once | 00:38 |
| @rizen | yes, because of time zones | 00:38 |
| @rizen | if i'm in central and you're in eastern | 00:38 |
| @rizen | the times show differently for us | 00:38 |
| +crythias | store in UTC and adjust? | 00:38 |
| @rizen | can't adjust if it's cached | 00:38 |
| +crythias | math on the fly? | 00:39 |
| @rizen | it's already stored in utc | 00:39 |
| @rizen | are you listening to what you're saying | 00:39 |
| @rizen | you can't both cache it and then adjust it | 00:39 |
| @rizen | what's the point of caching then | 00:39 |
| @pbmdawg | crythias: this would work if the conversion were done client side ;) | 00:39 |
| @pbmdawg | epochs passed to the browser; browser localizes them | 00:39 |
| @rizen | but that requires that the user have javascript | 00:39 |
| @rizen | and that also still requires | 00:39 |
| @rizen | that we send along the user's time zone | 00:40 |
| @pbmdawg | no; js can get that from the browser | 00:40 |
| +crythias | so we can't cache visitor | 00:40 |
| @pbmdawg | (I'm not advocating passing epochs) | 00:40 |
| @rizen | ok, but then we wouldn't be following their preferences in their profile | 00:40 |
| @rizen | yes, we can cache visitor, because all visitors use the same profile | 00:40 |
| +crythias | certainly we can't cache visitor for until event expires. | 00:40 |
| @rizen | we don't adjust time zones for visitor | 00:40 |
| @pbmdawg | (nor am I advocating that all events calendars' events should be time-localized. | 00:40 |
| @pbmdawg | ) | 00:40 |
| @pbmdawg | I think that should be an optional setting | 00:41 |
| @pbmdawg | but that's another issue. | 00:41 |
| @rizen | ok, we're getting off on a tangent here | 00:41 |
| @rizen | i wanted to keep this conversation short | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | so we agree that timezones on events and calendars are screwed up and that may affect caching | 00:41 |
| @pbmdawg | move on to Post | 00:41 |
| +crythias | timezones | 00:41 |
| @rizen | post/thread is the big dog | 00:41 |
| @rizen | it's the hardest thing that webgui does | 00:42 |
| @pbmdawg | except there's not really a view method of post | 00:42 |
| @rizen | because the templates are so damn complex | 00:42 |
| @rizen | therefore, i think we need to cache | 00:42 |
| @pbmdawg | timestamps are again an issue. | 00:42 |
| @rizen | and not only that, i believe we need to cache on a per user basis | 00:42 |
| @pbmdawg | scratch my last msg | 00:42 |
| @rizen | i know that there are many threads that people view multiple times between anything changing about them | 00:43 |
| +crythias | 10,000 posts and 10,000 users. | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | what about caching Posts and assembling threads on a per-user basis? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | render the post, but only display it if the user can see it? | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a big change from the way it's done now, though | 00:44 |
| @rizen | we can't really cache posts, because the posts are embedded in the thread template | 00:44 |
| @rizen | unless we break the thread template apart | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | right. | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I said it would be really different from how it's done now | 00:44 |
| @pbmdawg | here's (yet) another thought. what about caching on a template variable level also......? :-P I know, I'll shut up. | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | pmbdawg: wouldn't work for loops, and loops are probably the most expensive part | 00:45 |
| @pbmdawg | I mean in perl | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ooh | 00:45 |
| @pbmdawg | serialized data structures or something. | 00:45 |
| @rizen | that's not a bad idea | 00:45 |
| @rizen | i think that's probably better than breaking out the posts and threads | 00:46 |
| @pbmdawg | each template variable could be marked as cacheable or not..? | 00:46 |
| @rizen | well i don't know about that | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you mark a perl variable? | 00:46 |
| @pbmdawg | then an intelligent template variable generator could detect that and create them as appropriate | 00:46 |
| @pbmdawg | add a hashref layer, and another key. | 00:46 |
| +crythias | after all this, is SQL still that much of a performance loser over cache? | 00:47 |
| @rizen | jamie, meatbop, think about how users use cs's | 00:47 |
| @rizen | do you see any problems with caching threads? | 00:47 |
| @rizen | or parts of threads? | 00:47 |
| Jamie | Off hand no | 00:47 |
| @pbmdawg | well, one of the post tmpl_var is isRead | 00:47 |
| @rizen | meatbop, would it affect how you design CS thread templates? | 00:47 |
| @pbmdawg | so that would need to be changed after the first view | 00:48 |
| Jamie | are you still talking about caching globally or individual? | 00:48 |
| @rizen | are we saying then that we can't cache threads because of "isRead" and "views" etc | 00:49 |
| @rizen | change from view to view? | 00:49 |
| @rizen | we'd be caching each thread for each user | 00:49 |
| @rizen | jamie, that was to you | 00:49 |
| Meatbop | this might be the same thing as the events, but the cache timeout would reset on edit of a post? | 00:50 |
| @pbmdawg | that's already done for all assets. | 00:52 |
| Meatbop | k | 00:52 |
| @pbmdawg | editing/adding a post to a thread uncaches the thread globally | 00:52 |
| xdanger | hey, any comments on my bugs ? | 00:53 |
| @pbmdawg | xdanger: wait a while to talk about that please | 00:53 |
| xdanger | ok | 00:53 |
| @pbmdawg | rizen: no, I wasn't saying we can't cache that stuff; I'm trying to make the point that perhaps we need a very flexible intelligent caching system. | 00:55 |
| @rizen | ok | 00:55 |
| @rizen | so i just made a change on plainblack.com | 00:55 |
| @rizen | i think the templates aren't causing the big problem on posts | 00:55 |
| @rizen | and why they are slow | 00:55 |
| @rizen | check out the bottom of any thread on plainblack.com | 00:56 |
| * pbmdawg joins the rest of the room in DDOS'ing plainblack.com | 00:56 | |
| +crythias | var time ... ouch | 00:56 |
| @rizen | i always thought it was template time | 00:56 |
| @rizen | but holy crap | 00:56 |
| @pbmdawg | cool | 00:57 |
| @pbmdawg | so did I | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | template variable cacher ahoy | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | wiat | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | wait | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | does Var time include Asset creation, etc? | 00:57 |
| @rizen | no | 00:57 |
| @rizen | well post asset creation | 00:57 |
| @rizen | but not the thread itself | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | N post asset creations | 00:58 |
| @rizen | n post asset creation | 00:58 |
| @rizen | pagination | 00:58 |
| @rizen | etc | 00:58 |
| @pbmdawg | rizen: we should enable the performanceProfiler on plainblack.com sometime temporarily | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | some night | 00:58 |
| @rizen | ok...so this is making me thing | 00:59 |
| @rizen | think | 00:59 |
| @rizen | we shouldn't cache posts/threads | 00:59 |
| @rizen | but instead, solve our performance problems in thread variable creation | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but we don't know if it's just the thread variables. | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | it might be in nested asset creation | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | or something else | 00:59 |
| @pbmdawg | rizen: put a timer wrapper around my %replyVars = %{$reply->getTemplateVars}; | 01:00 |
| @rizen | ultimately it is thread variables | 01:00 |
| @rizen | cuz no matter what | 01:00 |
| @rizen | we need to create those assets | 01:00 |
| @rizen | so they are PART of variable creation | 01:00 |
| @pbmdawg | to see if it's each reply, or if it's the thread itself | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but _if_ (and we don't know yet) it was Asset creation, then the entire site would benefit from the speed up | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | rather than only view methods | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | let's track down the _real_ time sink and kill it | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | so we only have to do this once | 01:01 |
| @rizen | agreed | 01:01 |
| @rizen | all i'm saying is that templates aren't the culprit | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, sorry if I went over the top there | 01:02 |
| @rizen | ok i think ing generally | 01:02 |
| @rizen | in general | 01:02 |
| @pbmdawg | my opinion is that we need the performance profiler | 01:02 |
| @pbmdawg | for this specific question | 01:02 |
| @rizen | i've got what i've needed out of this conversation | 01:02 |
| @rizen | so let me state this one more time | 01:02 |
| @rizen | then all of you please comment | 01:02 |
| @rizen | we're going to: | 01:03 |
| @rizen | a) do caching (or not) on a per asset (and ultimately per method) basis | 01:03 |
| @rizen | b) cache is always deleted on edit | 01:03 |
| @rizen | c) caching is generally not done for regular users, only visitors | 01:03 |
| @rizen | d) remove the global cache settings that are attached to all assets right now | 01:04 |
| @rizen | are all those generally true? | 01:04 |
| @rizen | and does anyone have a problem with that? | 01:04 |
| @pbmdawg | thinking about d) | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | e) We decide on what to cache based on some profiling of the PB site? | 01:05 |
| @rizen | fair enough | 01:05 |
| @rizen | on e | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case I'm cool | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | with a-e | 01:06 |
| Jamie | I think it sounds good | 01:06 |
| @rizen | anybody have any comments, questions, or scathing rebuttle? | 01:06 |
| @pbmdawg | on c) | 01:06 |
| Meatbop | Quick question, would the cache setting cascade down to child elements? Whether or not they should cache? | 01:06 |
| @rizen | meatbop: could you elaborate? | 01:07 |
| Meatbop | So for example, you create a folder and set it so that it doesn't cache, and all child elements created would also inherit that setting? None of them would cache unless the user changed their setting? | 01:07 |
| @rizen | well since caching is no longer a global setting, we wouldn't be able to do that | 01:08 |
| @pbmdawg | I think the asset developer should be given the ability to explain to the caching system which things the asset wants cacheable by any user or group of users, including Visitor | 01:08 |
| @rizen | you won't be able to inherit cache timeouts | 01:08 |
| @rizen | nor would you be able to recursively set them via editBranch | 01:08 |
| Meatbop | hmm | 01:08 |
| @pbmdawg | on c), I think the asset developer should be given the ability to explain to the caching system which things the asset wants cacheable by any user or group of users, including Visitor | 01:09 |
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| @rizen | matt: i have no idea what you're saying | 01:09 |
| @rizen | anybody else have comments? | 01:10 |
| @pbmdawg | was c) a statement about API policy, or a statement about what would be done with each of the core assets | 01:10 |
| @rizen | c is decided by the developer, but as a general rule on core assets | 01:11 |
| @pbmdawg | k; I like a-e | 01:11 |
| @rizen | we won't cache stuff for non visitors, unless we see a benefit | 01:11 |
| @rizen | anybody else? | 01:11 |
| @rizen | otherwise i'm calling this done | 01:11 |
| Meatbop | i also like the ideas | 01:11 |
| @rizen | i think eliminating page caching might slow us down just a bit, but ultimately it will have more of a "it just works" feel to users | 01:12 |
| @rizen | cuz they are often confused by cache right now | 01:12 |
| @rizen | and rightly so | 01:12 |
| @rizen | and i think that the content chunking stuff, should more than compensate for whatever slowdown they experience | 01:13 |
| @rizen | oh...one more thing | 01:14 |
| @rizen | i think that purely static elements such as articles | 01:14 |
| @rizen | should be cached globally for both visitors and users | 01:14 |
| @rizen | so one cache file, serves both types | 01:14 |
| @rizen | what say you? | 01:14 |
| @pbmdawg | (but cached via www_view in Article.pm )? | 01:14 |
| +crythias | until people put dynamic content in an article. | 01:14 |
| @pbmdawg | I mean view() | 01:14 |
| +crythias | ^SQL(stuff); | 01:14 |
| @rizen | that will just be a caveat of article | 01:14 |
| @rizen | in those cases, they should use snippet | 01:15 |
| @pbmdawg | won't be good for templates. | 01:15 |
| +crythias | ^AssetProxy("MySQLReport"); | 01:15 |
| @rizen | or turn the cache all the way off for that one asset | 01:15 |
| @rizen | reasonable? | 01:15 |
| @pbmdawg | for that asset class or indiv. articles? | 01:15 |
| @rizen | individual articles | 01:15 |
| @pbmdawg | how would you do that | 01:15 |
| @rizen | because for things that cache | 01:16 |
| @rizen | there will be a cache timeout setting | 01:16 |
| @rizen | just like there is now | 01:16 |
| @pbmdawg | oh. okay. I think. | 01:16 |
| @rizen | are we all good? | 01:16 |
| @rizen | going once | 01:16 |
| +crythias | sure | 01:16 |
| @rizen | going twice | 01:16 |
| @rizen | sold | 01:16 |
| +crythias | buh bye (from me to all) | 01:16 |
| @rizen | k | 01:16 |
| @rizen | thanks everyone | 01:16 |
| chansen | perhaps a MRU cache? | 01:17 |
| @rizen | bye | 01:17 |
| Meatbop | cya | 01:17 |
| @rizen | mru? | 01:17 |
| chansen | Most Recently Used algorithm | 01:17 |
| @rizen | and why didn't you pipe up half an hour ago | 01:17 |
| @rizen | that's already there | 01:17 |
| * crythias has a MRU cache and empties it periodically. | 01:17 | |
| @rizen | the caching system does that | 01:17 |
| chansen | ok | 01:17 |
| @rizen | ok..done | 01:17 |
| @rizen | later | 01:17 |
| @rizen | bye | 01:17 |
| chansen | cya | 01:17 |
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| chansen | If there already is a MRU cache, why decide on what should be cached? | 01:18 |
| +crythias | it's not really mru. except that it's cacheing stuff that's expired but hit | 01:19 |
| +crythias | that is, it resets cache timeout. | 01:20 |
| +crythias | so MRY | 01:20 |
| chansen | ok, that explains the earlier discussion | 01:20 |
| +crythias | MRU | 01:20 |
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| +crythias | gtg ttyl | 01:21 |
| chansen | cya | 01:21 |
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| bcnx | hi Crythias | 18:26 |
| bcnx | feel like taking another shot at my problem? | 18:26 |
| bcnx | or is it a bad time ... | 18:26 |
| +crythias | sure | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe I can help out? | 18:27 |
| bcnx | you're always welcome to! :-) | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's the problem | 18:27 |
| +crythias | http://www.bitsntricks.com/ | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that seems broken =) | 18:27 |
| bcnx | and: Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /work/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's causing it? | 18:27 |
| bcnx | in error log | 18:27 |
| bcnx | testEnvironment.pl works OK | 18:28 |
| +crythias | just ... SELinux, if available, is disabled, right? | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | seems like your wg can't connect to your db | 18:28 |
| bcnx | it does following testEnvironment.pl | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, weird | 18:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | that error's in your apache error log? | 18:28 |
| +crythias | any possibility that there might be two DBI/DBDmysql's? | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | or in webgui.log? | 18:29 |
| bcnx | MrHairgrease: yes | 18:29 |
| bcnx | Cryth: no | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | pls wait | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | trying to reproduce | 18:29 |
| bcnx | webgui.log is completely empty | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c it can't do any sql queries | 18:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | and therfore won't even com to logging | 18:30 |
| bcnx | makes sense then | 18:30 |
| bcnx | i c | 18:30 |
| bcnx | I upgraded to Perl 5.8.7 some days ago | 18:30 |
| bcnx | (which broke other stuff by the way) | 18:30 |
| +crythias | yes | 18:30 |
| bcnx | but it worked fine for a couple of days | 18:30 |
| +crythias | remove and recompile dbd-mysql | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it did work? | 18:31 |
| bcnx | yes | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but now it doesn't anymore? | 18:31 |
| bcnx | crythias: you mean the Perl module? | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you did not change a thing? | 18:31 |
| bcnx | Mr: correct | 18:31 |
| +crythias | bcnx: yes | 18:31 |
| bcnx | Mr: not to my recollection | 18:31 |
| bcnx | but you know how it goed | 18:31 |
| bcnx | goes | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah =) | 18:31 |
| bcnx | crythias: I installed the module with cpan | 18:32 |
| bcnx | I can uninstall und reinstall it | 18:32 |
| +crythias | after upgrade to 587? | 18:32 |
| bcnx | yes | 18:32 |
| bcnx | errr | 18:32 |
| bcnx | I think the upgrade took care of the modules | 18:32 |
| +crythias | not likely | 18:32 |
| bcnx | I think also that one | 18:32 |
| bcnx | I'll quickly do it | 18:32 |
| +crythias | also mod_perl2 if you've changed perl after install | 18:34 |
| +crythias | in fact ... yeah. that makes a lot of sense. | 18:34 |
| bcnx | I installed mod_perl2 manually afterwards | 18:34 |
| +crythias | ok | 18:34 |
| bcnx | the DBI::DBD module, right? | 18:35 |
| +crythias | DBD::mysql50-3.x | 18:36 |
| bcnx | I got DBD::mysql | 18:36 |
| bcnx | version 3.0002 | 18:36 |
| bcnx | the only available on CPAN | 18:37 |
| +crythias | fresh install? | 18:37 |
| bcnx | I'll remove it now, then I suppose it's fresh | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | bcnx | 18:37 |
| bcnx | yez | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | which version are you on? | 18:37 |
| bcnx | 6.8.7 | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try with that one | 18:38 |
| bcnx | reinstalling DBD::mysql no | 18:38 |
| bcnx | w | 18:38 |
| bcnx | Module 'DBD::mysql' installed successfully | 18:38 |
| +crythias | restart apache | 18:39 |
| bcnx | did that | 18:39 |
| +crythias | httpd-error.log? | 18:39 |
| bcnx | let me reinstall mod_perl2 | 18:39 |
| bcnx | can't do taht with cpan, because it installs mod_perl, not mod_perl2 | 18:39 |
| bcnx | so need to do that manually | 18:39 |
| +crythias | apache's old, too | 18:40 |
| +crythias | not that that matters for this case. | 18:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | [Wed Apr 05 17:45:07 2006] [error] [client 145.94.32.124] Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /zut/domains/cvs_webgui_nl/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 473.\n | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | reproduction! | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | bcnx | 18:47 |
| bcnx | aha! | 18:47 |
| bcnx | how? | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | wrong db user | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | question | 18:47 |
| bcnx | I'm sure that's not the case | 18:47 |
| bcnx | I created a second db | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | do you have the wg site inside a virtual host? | 18:48 |
| bcnx | changed the conf | 18:48 |
| bcnx | no | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | so you have only one error log from apache? | 18:48 |
| bcnx | it's "virtually" driving me crazy, but that's it ;-) | 18:48 |
| bcnx | oops | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | what's it? | 18:48 |
| bcnx | I thought you meant virtual machines like vmware | 18:48 |
| bcnx | i'm sorry | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | nono | 18:48 |
| bcnx | yes, I do have virtual hosts | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 18:49 |
| bcnx | wait a sec | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | then you also have to error logs | 18:49 |
| bcnx | I get something funny now | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | look in the error log of the base apache | 18:49 |
| bcnx | I was reinstalling libapreq2 | 18:49 |
| bcnx | I need that for mod_perl2 | 18:49 |
| bcnx | It worked before, but now it says: | 18:49 |
| bcnx | configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/) | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not good | 18:50 |
| bcnx | while the parameters to configure are correct | 18:50 |
| bcnx | it seems that the bin is broken | 18:50 |
| bcnx | let me quickly launch it | 18:50 |
| bcnx | mmm | 18:50 |
| bcnx | I can launch it: apxs2 | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | you would say that if the bin's broken it would segfault or something in stead of returning an error | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | please look in the other apache log | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ./configure: line 1: apxs: command not found | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ./configure: line 1: apxs: command not found | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ./configure: line 1: apxs: command not found | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ./configure: line 1: apxs: command not found | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ./configure: line 1: apxs: command not found | 18:51 |
| bcnx | build/version_check.pl failed: no version_string found in '' for 'apache2'. | 18:51 |
| bcnx | configure: error: Bad apache2 binary (/) | 18:51 |
| bcnx | ok | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | mine says | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | DBI connect('cvs_webgui_nl','cvs_webgui_n',...) failed: Access denied for user 'cvs_webgui_n'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /zut/domains/cvs_webgui_nl/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 297 | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is actually the real error in my case | 18:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | the other error is just a symptom | 18:52 |
| bcnx | I have a bunvj of other errors no, I think because of the fact that I uninstalled mod_perl2 | 18:53 |
| bcnx | need to reinstall that first | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | compiling apache sucks big time | 18:53 |
| +crythias | .49 <.55 | 18:54 |
| bcnx | I use the rpms | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 18:54 |
| bcnx | I shy away fro mcompiling stuff | 18:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 18:54 |
| bcnx | I installed Perl without the RPMs | 18:54 |
| bcnx | and today this companyh didn't get mail for 6 hours | 18:55 |
| bcnx | Net::Server broke Amavais | 18:55 |
| bcnx | Amavis | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | ouch | 18:55 |
| bcnx | yep | 18:55 |
| bcnx | took me a long time to figure that one out | 18:55 |
| bcnx | open source is cool and all | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can have different perls next to eachother on one system | 18:55 |
| bcnx | but you can get heaps of trouble | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | so can closed source | 18:55 |
| bcnx | I know, but I don't know how to point webgui to another version of perl | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | at procolix we have dozens of perls next to eachother on one system | 18:56 |
| bcnx | with index.pl you could simply point to another perl bin | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | works like a charm | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:56 |
| bcnx | are you from procolix? cool! | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think so =) | 18:56 |
| bcnx | how do you point to another perl then? | 18:56 |
| bcnx | kunnen we i nhet nederlands verder gaan ;-) | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can only point wg to another version by recompiling mod_perl | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I don't think all those yankees would like that | 18:57 |
| bcnx | but every system using mod_perl will be using the alternative perl then | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | mod_perl is actually a bunch of perl modules | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c we have a lot of diffrent mod_perls too =) | 18:58 |
| bcnx | huh | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | the idea is that if we want to migrate one site to another box | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | we only have to copy the directory | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | also it protects you from bombing other sites on your system | 18:58 |
| bcnx | I see | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | so if I need the newest apche/modperl/whatever | 18:59 |
| bcnx | so you install mod_perl in different folders and change httpd.conf | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll install it in the directory that contains cvs.webgui.nl | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | no | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | we compile everything (apache/modperl/perl) from scratch | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | for each webserver we run | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | we have one server running shared hosting | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and a bunch for bigger customers | 19:00 |
| bcnx | so you run seperate apaches? | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | a lot | 19:00 |
| bcnx | how do you deal then with the ports? | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | you only need enough ip's =) | 19:01 |
| bcnx | ok | 19:01 |
| bcnx | i c | 19:01 |
| bcnx | that I don't have | 19:01 |
| bcnx | just one public | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you can still use a specific perl installation by compiling mod-perl | 19:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | use the --with-perl flag in the perl Makefiel.PL | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | however | 19:02 |
| bcnx | dang | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | running from rpms should work | 19:02 |
| bcnx | still problems compiling libapreq2 | 19:02 |
| bcnx | what the heck is going on here | 19:02 |
| bcnx | no, the rpms for SLES9 are too old for Perl | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | does suse not have an liapreq rmp? | 19:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case | 19:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you might wanna try the wre | 19:03 |
| bcnx | it's ok now | 19:03 |
| bcnx | was typo | 19:03 |
| bcnx | my bad | 19:03 |
| bcnx | I'm a certified idiot | 19:03 |
| * MrHairgrease wipes bcnx' head | 19:03 | |
| +MrHairgrease | hey, who isn't | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | I know I am | 19:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | just don't have the diploma yet =) | 19:04 |
| bcnx | :-) | 19:05 |
| bcnx | almost done here | 19:05 |
| bcnx | modperl is installing (I think) | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | cross your thumbs | 19:05 |
| bcnx | do you have anything to do with the guys that are going to translate Webgui in Dutch? | 19:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | you mean the wossa? | 19:06 |
| bcnx | yes | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | Yeah sot of | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | sort* | 19:06 |
| bcnx | ah, I've just been appraoched to help out by a guy named Arjan | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | we talked a bit yesterday on how to streamline it | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah I know arjan | 19:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | he's cool | 19:07 |
| bcnx | don't really know him | 19:07 |
| bcnx | but he seems nice enough | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | there are more people who want to help out in translating | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | so we figured we needed to have some webinterface or whatever to streamline their efforts | 19:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | and keeping stuff up to date easy | 19:08 |
| bcnx | yeah, sure, to avoid double work at least | 19:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | so I was thinking of some simple webeditor tool that can diff between releases and allows you to correct typo's and other errors other people made | 19:09 |
| bcnx | installing the mod_perl modules now | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | while still haviing the complete translation history for everyone to view | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | a bit like a wiki | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | But I'm sure you'll here more of it soon | 19:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | very cool that you'd like to help translating | 19:10 |
| bcnx | well, it's also in my own interest | 19:10 |
| bcnx | I'd like to sell webgui based hosting | 19:10 |
| bcnx | jsut starting out my own business | 19:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | your planning on your own business | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | or have you started already? | 19:11 |
| bcnx | I've started in "bijberoep" :-) | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | bijberoep | 19:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | zoiets als het erbij doen? | 19:11 |
| bcnx | yep | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah | 19:12 |
| bcnx | post-nine to five | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah i see | 19:12 |
| bcnx | I've been in the private industry for 12 years now | 19:12 |
| bcnx | but got fed up with it | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | a five to nine job =) | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you do? | 19:12 |
| bcnx | so I switched to the public world | 19:12 |
| bcnx | :-D | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | programming | 19:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | system administaritin? | 19:12 |
| bcnx | no, network administration | 19:12 |
| bcnx | but I know some perl and PHP | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | my php is rather bad | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then, I never use it so who cares... | 19:13 |
| bcnx | mine too, but it's very easy to take up again | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah. php is easy | 19:13 |
| bcnx | I do rarely | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | perl is easy too | 19:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what I really like about perl | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that, and cpan | 19:14 |
| bcnx | it' not my daily routine, and since I'm a parttime idiot, it always talks me two days to get into the programming state of mind again, but it's fun | 19:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's what i think | 19:15 |
| bcnx | talks = takes | 19:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm also only a part time programmer | 19:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | the rest of the time I pretend to study | 19:16 |
| bcnx | :-) | 19:16 |
| bcnx | anyhoe | 19:16 |
| bcnx | mod_perl2 is reinstalled | 19:16 |
| bcnx | same result :-( | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | what result | 19:16 |
| bcnx | site down | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | cannot prepare... | 19:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | that error? | 19:16 |
| bcnx | I was just looking at the website: 500 error | 19:17 |
| bcnx | let me check the log | 19:17 |
| bcnx | one log has constantly the prepare error | 19:17 |
| bcnx | let me check the other log files | 19:18 |
| bcnx | nothing spectacular | 19:19 |
| bcnx | nothing relevant | 19:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, weird | 19:20 |
| bcnx | wait a sex | 19:20 |
| bcnx | sec | 19:20 |
| bcnx | oops | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 19:20 |
| bcnx | testEnvironment complains now | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | that was a cool typo | 19:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah that's good | 19:20 |
| bcnx | I did some testing with crythias yesterday | 19:21 |
| bcnx | perhaps I forgot to reset things | 19:21 |
| bcnx | the db info in the conf is still ok | 19:21 |
| bcnx | yet it doesn't connect | 19:21 |
| bcnx | let me try to do a mysqldump | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you use dsn=DBI:mysql:myUserName? | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | myUserName = myDBName | 19:22 |
| bcnx | the dump doesn't work | 19:22 |
| bcnx | strange | 19:23 |
| bcnx | let me assign privileges again | 19:23 |
| bcnx | OK, changed them | 19:24 |
| bcnx | mmm | 19:24 |
| bcnx | same result | 19:25 |
| bcnx | but testEnvironment.pl works now | 19:25 |
| bcnx | permission to pull out my hair? | 19:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | did you grant all privileges? | 19:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | or just some? | 19:25 |
| bcnx | all | 19:26 |
| bcnx | just like in https://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui | 19:26 |
| WRE | <bcnx> http://tinyurl.com/rgk49 | 19:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | try this grant all privileges on www_<font size="3">example_com.* to webgui@'%.%.%.%' identfied by 'password'</font> | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | sry for that | 19:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | grant all privileges on www_exeample_com.* to user@'%.%.%.%' identified by 'password | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | or maybe it should be | 19:29 |
| bcnx | what do the % -mean? | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | grant all privileges on www_exeample_com.* to user identified by 'password | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | % is a wildcard | 19:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | means any number | 19:29 |
| bcnx | i did: mysql -e "grant all privileges on www_bitsntricks_com.* to webgui@localhost identified by 'yeahright'" | 19:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | it could be that your webserver is trying to connect through a port or something | 19:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | and testEnvironment is going directly through the socket | 19:31 |
| bcnx | i c | 19:31 |
| bcnx | let me try | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | im just guessing | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I had a problem like that once | 19:31 |
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| bcnx | nope | 19:32 |
| bcnx | no luck | 19:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | it was a long shot | 19:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm getting out of idea's | 19:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | maat | 19:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | can you help out | 19:32 |
| bcnx | makker | 19:32 |
| bcnx | :-) | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | i meant matt | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | not maat | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 19:33 |
| bcnx | who's matt? | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | ever seen this error in the apache error log: [Wed Apr 05 17:45:07 2006] [error] [client 145.94.32.124] Can't call method "prepare" on an undefined value at /zut/domains/cvs_webgui_nl/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm line 473.\n | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | matt == pbmdawg | 19:34 |
| bcnx | i c | 19:34 |
| bcnx | the error is well known | 19:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | yet testEnvironment does not complain and can connect to the db | 19:34 |
| bcnx | but it mostly means that the account info for mysql is wrong | 19:34 |
| bcnx | indeed | 19:34 |
| @pbmdawg | yeah; it can't find your conf | 19:36 |
| @pbmdawg | which version of wG | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | 6.8.7 | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 19:36 |
| bcnx | yes | 19:36 |
| @pbmdawg | paste your apache vhost please | 19:37 |
| bcnx | ok | 19:37 |
| bcnx | does anybody know the paste-utility from crythias again? | 19:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | rafb.net | 19:38 |
| bcnx | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ytKFOr52.html | 19:39 |
| WRE | <bcnx> http://tinyurl.com/hvome | 19:39 |
| @pbmdawg | can you paste the section of your apache conf wherein you set your WebguiRoot variable? | 19:41 |
| bcnx | ok | 19:42 |
| bcnx | # Added for WebGui | 19:42 |
| bcnx | LoadModule apreq_module /usr/lib/apache2/mod_apreq2.so | 19:42 |
| bcnx | #LoadModule perl_module /usr/lib/apache2/mod_perl.so | 19:42 |
| bcnx | PerlSetVar WebguiRoot /work/data/WebGUI | 19:42 |
| bcnx | PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit | 19:42 |
| bcnx | PerlRequire /work/data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl | 19:42 |
| bcnx | APREQ2_ReadLimit 1024M | 19:42 |
| @pbmdawg | finally, can you paste your preload.perl contents | 19:45 |
| bcnx | ok | 19:45 |
| @pbmdawg | why is mod_perl commented out? b/c it's enabled elsewhere? | 19:45 |
| bcnx | yes | 19:45 |
| @pbmdawg | ok | 19:45 |
| bcnx | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ZhEygI98.html | 19:46 |
| WRE | <bcnx> http://tinyurl.com/jh8p7 | 19:46 |
| +crythias | ah | 19:47 |
| +crythias | oh | 19:47 |
| +crythias | nm | 19:47 |
| +crythias | when I'm asking for httpd-error.log, you're giving me bitsntricks-error_log, right? | 19:48 |
| bcnx | yes | 19:48 |
| +crythias | UseCanonicalName shouldn't be in the VirtualHost, should it? | 19:48 |
| @pbmdawg | just for kicks, can you confirm that there is no index.pl anythere in any of the documentroots | 19:49 |
| bcnx | crythias: it's set to "off" | 19:50 |
| +crythias | the heck? two <Directory "">'s and one </Directory>? | 19:50 |
| @pbmdawg | good catch | 19:50 |
| @pbmdawg | apache should whine about that | 19:50 |
| bcnx | I don't see it in my original file, perhaps it was an error in pasting | 19:51 |
| bcnx | let me doublecheck | 19:51 |
| +crythias | http://rafb.net/paste/results/ytKFOr52.html | 19:51 |
| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/hvome | 19:51 |
| +crythias | 90 and 133 | 19:51 |
| bcnx | what the ... | 19:52 |
| +crythias | shouldn't need the mod_userdir.c | 19:52 |
| bcnx | no, it's an error with pasting | 19:52 |
| @pbmdawg | ok | 19:52 |
| bcnx | the conf file is an adapted copy of an example file supplied by Suse | 19:53 |
| @pbmdawg | when starting apache, do you get... Starting WebGUI 6.8.7 | 19:53 |
| @pbmdawg | if you start using -x | 19:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://rafb.net/paste/results/YpEBSg12.html | 19:54 |
| WRE | <MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/llfmt | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | that one definately works | 19:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe it is of some help | 19:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | you should also see that whe you start the server without -x | 19:54 |
| @pbmdawg | oh | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | -x is just single server mode | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | i think | 19:55 |
| bcnx | let me check rcapache2 | 19:57 |
| bcnx | nope | 19:58 |
| bcnx | just "SSL" as a startup flag | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm going afk for a while | 19:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | time to microwave chinese leftovers | 19:59 |
| bcnx | :-) | 20:00 |
| bcnx | enjoy | 20:00 |
| bcnx | for me it's also about time to eat | 20:00 |
| bcnx | what do you think guys, in conclusion | 20:00 |
| @pbmdawg | what happens if you try to execute preload.perl by itself | 20:00 |
| bcnx | should I install WRE to fix all this? | 20:00 |
| bcnx | Starting WebGUI 6.8.7 | 20:01 |
| bcnx | Can't locate object method "server" via package "Apache2::ServerUtil" at preload.perl line 57. | 20:01 |
| bcnx | I've had that since the beginning, when it still worked | 20:01 |
| @pbmdawg | when what still worked | 20:01 |
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| bcnx | my site | 20:02 |
| bcnx | webgui | 20:02 |
| @pbmdawg | it worked at one point? | 20:02 |
| bcnx | yes | 20:02 |
| bcnx | and the trouble is that I can't pinpoint what destroyed it | 20:02 |
| bcnx | I thought i hadn't touched it | 20:02 |
| @pbmdawg | did you upgrade mysql? | 20:02 |
| bcnx | no | 20:03 |
| bcnx | was 5.0 from the beginning | 20:03 |
| bcnx | the only thing I remember was setting the root password to nothing | 20:03 |
| bcnx | well, if noone has any more ideas I wonna call it a day | 20:08 |
| bcnx | I think I will install WRE and try to integrate it in SLES9, hopefully without breaking too much stuff ... | 20:08 |
| bcnx | that's probably the best strategy from here | 20:09 |
| bcnx | (I should get a medal for perseverence ;-) ) | 20:09 |
| bcnx | thx all for assisting | 20:10 |
| bcnx | see you later | 20:10 |
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| +crythias | Roy! | 20:54 |
| @pbmdawg | dangit | 20:54 |
| @snapcount | guilty as charged | 20:54 |
| +crythias | LTNS | 20:55 |
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| @snapcount | didn't someone in here report the cached debug output bug | 22:10 |
| @snapcount | well if you're here | 22:14 |
| @snapcount | here's the deal | 22:14 |
| @snapcount | are you saying that it still displays debug to someone who is not logged in that is coming from the IP addr entered? | 22:15 |
| @snapcount | or to a visitor coming from a diff ip? | 22:15 |
| xdanger | snapcount: visitor coming from a diff ip | 22:30 |
| @snapcount | yeah I just dupped it | 22:31 |
| @snapcount | thx | 22:31 |
| xdanger | what was the problem ? | 22:31 |
| @snapcount | I'm not sure yet | 22:32 |
| @snapcount | I'm working on it now | 22:33 |
| xdanger | how did you duplicate it ? | 22:35 |
| @snapcount | turn debug on | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | set an ip | 22:36 |
| xdanger | I've been workin on webgui 6.8 upgrade for a couple of days now =) and have to say that I'm starting to understand how it works ;) | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | view from the set ip | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | unset the ip | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | log out | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | it's cached | 22:36 |
| xdanger | ok | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | that's good | 22:36 |
| @snapcount | the good news is | 22:37 |
| @snapcount | 80% of it will be different in 7.0 | 22:37 |
| @snapcount | =) | 22:37 |
| xdanger | I've mostly done work on 6.7 and been following the development of 6.9x with keen interest | 22:38 |
| xdanger | I've submited to a rss:feed from the svn | 22:38 |
| xdanger | snapcount: any comments on this: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1463411&group_id=51417&atid=463213 | 22:42 |
| WRE | <xdanger> http://tinyurl.com/zyehq | 22:42 |
| @snapcount | no... I'll have to look into it more to give any kind of intelligent opinion | 22:46 |
| xdanger | I just added or status='denied' or status='pending' to the where clause of sub new in Asset.pm | 22:50 |
| xdanger | would like to know if that breaks anything =) | 22:50 |
| @snapcount | best thing to do would be to send that to the dev list | 22:59 |
| @snapcount | crap | 22:59 |
| @snapcount | I can't dup this bug | 22:59 |
| @snapcount | I'm a moron | 22:59 |
| @snapcount | I forgot to turn debug off | 23:00 |
| @snapcount | =) | 23:00 |
| @snapcount | after turning it off, I see no cached output | 23:00 |
| @snapcount | can you dup this still? | 23:00 |
| @snapcount | if so, are you sure it's WG caching the output and not your browser? | 23:01 |
| @snapcount | you can determine this by deleting /tmp/WebGUICache... if that fixes the problem, then it's a WG issue | 23:02 |
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| xdanger | It was found by a client of my client, he said that there was some wierd text on their site... I think it isn't so straightforward than just turnig debug of | 23:26 |
| xdanger | Hmm.. I'll try something.. | 23:26 |
| xdanger | little bit later | 23:26 |
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| xdanger | snapcount: got it... | 23:38 |
| @snapcount | got what? | 23:39 |
| @snapcount | a way to dup? | 23:39 |
| xdanger | I made the debug visible to ip A and did a rm -R /tmp/WebGUICache and loaded a cached page with a visitor from there, and then viewed it as an visitor from another ip | 23:40 |
| xdanger | it showed the debug code | 23:40 |
| @snapcount | it did this after deleting the wG cache? | 23:40 |
| xdanger | yeap | 23:40 |
| @snapcount | then it can't be WebGUI | 23:41 |
| @snapcount | unless we're not sending the correct cache control headers | 23:41 |
| @snapcount | but I'm pretty sure they're right | 23:41 |
| xdanger | I mean, I did a pageload from a valid debug ip, to a empty cache webgui and then a page load from another ip that wasn't on the list.. | 23:42 |
| xdanger | both as a visitor | 23:42 |
| xdanger | It is definedly the same debug since the debug on the not-in-list-ip show env.REMOTE_ADDR as the ip on the list | 23:45 |
| @snapcount | ok | 23:45 |
| @snapcount | so if you delete the cache, does that fix the problem? | 23:45 |
| @snapcount | I understand you started with a clean cache | 23:46 |
| @snapcount | that's good | 23:46 |
| xdanger | yes | 23:46 |
| @snapcount | it fixes it? | 23:46 |
| xdanger | well it removes the debug from the view of the not-in-the-list-ip =) | 23:47 |
| @snapcount | yikes! | 23:47 |
| xdanger | it might be the cache for visitor thats the couse here | 23:47 |
| @snapcount | can you re-open the bug and list your exact steps as a comment | 23:47 |
| @snapcount | I'm working on another one now | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | but I'll come back to this | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | thank you for helping out btw | 23:48 |
| xdanger | I don't have a sf.net account... since some fuckup registered it before me, and doesn't even use it =/ | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | that's ok | 23:48 |
| @snapcount | you can do it anonymous can't you | 23:49 |
| xdanger | so, do I add an new bug, or can I open the old one ? | 23:49 |
| xdanger | Could the couse for this effect be mod_proxy ? | 23:49 |
| xdanger | we'll I don't think it cache the pages for that long time | 23:50 |
| xdanger | snapcount: so, a new bug, or a comment on the old one ? | 23:58 |
| @snapcount | a comment on the old one is fine | 23:58 |
| @snapcount | and change the status to open | 23:58 |
| xdanger | I can't changestatus... I think I can't... | 23:59 |
| xdanger | might be missing something... | 23:59 |
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| +MrHairgrease | len! | 01:36 |
| lenthamen | hey Martin | 01:56 |
| lenthamen | hoegatie | 01:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | goed | 01:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't you have to sleep | 01:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | being a father and working bee and all that =) | 01:57 |
| lenthamen | Going to bed soon.... | 01:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | me too | 01:57 |
| lenthamen | do you have to work tomorrow ? | 01:58 |
| lenthamen | Going offline. ttyl. | 01:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 02:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm working to morrow | 02:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | cya later | 02:00 |
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| * rizen burns crythias to the ground | 03:17 | |
| +crythias | the heck? | 03:17 |
| @rizen | just seeing if you're paying attention | 03:17 |
| @rizen | =) | 03:17 |
| +crythias | I'm burned in effigy, baby... ooooh ooh ooh oh | 03:18 |
| +crythias | http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/greg_kihn_band/jeopardy.html | 03:19 |
| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/fv3p2 | 03:19 |
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| +crythias | I have to say that I did like zope for its inheritance and edit-then-publish for content. | 03:22 |
| +crythias | sigh | 03:23 |
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| Baylink | Mornin' all. | 16:45 |
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| @pbmdawg | welcome len | 16:57 |
| lenthamen | hey matthew | 17:05 |
| lenthamen | When will WebGUI 7.0 come alive ? | 17:05 |
| @pbmdawg | 7.00 should be final/stable/bugfree by Aug 1. plainblack.com will be upgraded to 6.99.0 (alpha) by May 1. | 17:07 |
| @pbmdawg | does that help? | 17:08 |
| +crythias | in other news, France Surrenders. | 17:11 |
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| lenthamen | May 1st... That in 3 weeks ! Coolio. | 17:44 |
| Baylink | Naw; I don't like his hair. | 17:48 |
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| +perlDreamer | calc E-ROD | 18:48 |
| WRE | E-ROD = Evil Release Overlord and Destructor | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | E-ROD lives! | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | (but is very quiet) | 18:50 |
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| @pbmdawg | E-ROD is in class | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | {on,off}line | 19:07 |
| @pbmdawg | off | 19:07 |
| @pbmdawg | afk | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | The lights are on, but nobody is home | 19:08 |
| @pbmdawg | newspapers piling up on the front lawn | 19:12 |
| @pbmdawg | or are those rss entries | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no, those are bad SVN commits by volunteers | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I am the loop meister | 19:23 |
| @pbmdawg | map(grep($_,@_),$_) | 19:30 |
| +perlDreamer | () | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | using map in null context | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | The Group test is getting big | 19:32 |
| @pbmdawg | does it test for recursive group detection yet | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it has for a while | 19:34 |
| @pbmdawg | for addToGroup and isInGroup | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | both | 19:34 |
| @pbmdawg | neat | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it has 82 hand written tests | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | well, my local version has 82 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | the committed one has about 70 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | once the karma stuff is done, I'll do a commit | 19:35 |
| @pbmdawg | gonna lie down for a while; bbl | 19:35 |
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| @snapcount | echo | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | pong | 22:12 |
| xdanger | echo | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | E-ROD lives! | 22:12 |
| @snapcount | for now | 22:12 |
| @snapcount | =) | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | have you seen my new, mad User and Group tests? | 22:13 |
| @snapcount | I noticed a bunch of new stuff when I updated | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I've gotten tired of writing lots of test code, so I started writing tests inside of loops, all driven by data structures | 22:21 |
| @snapcount | grr | 22:45 |
| @snapcount | aparently the RTE insert collateral popup doesn't work any longer | 22:45 |
| @snapcount | perlDreamer: it was you!!! | 23:01 |
| @snapcount | it's all your fault | 23:01 |
| @snapcount | now you've done it | 23:01 |
| @snapcount | it's all over now | 23:01 |
| * snapcount sighs | 23:02 | |
| @snapcount | if we had smoke tests running on branch, this would have been detected | 23:08 |
| * snapcount stomps his feet and pouts | 23:08 | |
| @snapcount | well, it's fixed now so I suppose you're forgiven | 23:09 |
| @snapcount | I'm glad we had this talk | 23:09 |
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| * snapcount scratches his head | 23:17 | |
| * crythias passes some "Head & shoulders" ... | 23:17 | |
| @snapcount | thx | 23:18 |
| @snapcount | so crythias | 23:18 |
| +crythias | Selsun Blue | 23:18 |
| @snapcount | I can't dup this bug | 23:18 |
| +crythias | Dennorex | 23:18 |
| @snapcount | care to give it a go | 23:18 |
| +crythias | Itchy, Flaky, scalp. Neutrogena T-Gel | 23:18 |
| +crythias | :) yes! | 23:18 |
| @snapcount | 1439923 | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | make sure you're working out of svn | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | and that you update | 23:19 |
| +crythias | oh. :( might be an issue. | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | actually | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | it may not matter | 23:19 |
| @snapcount | the bug I just fixed didn't exist last release | 23:20 |
| @snapcount | so you should be able to use the RTE | 23:20 |
| +crythias | like, demo? | 23:21 |
| @snapcount | yep | 23:22 |
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| +crythia1 | grr | 23:23 |
| +crythia1 | http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1144353331_349/home?op=switchOffAdmin | 23:23 |
| WRE | <crythia1> http://tinyurl.com/e9osy | 23:23 |
| +crythia1 | at the end, I uploaded a linked image | 23:24 |
| @snapcount | the image appears to be human | 23:24 |
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| +crythias | I keep being dropped | 23:26 |
| +crythias | not happy | 23:26 |
| +crythias | two image upload buttons | 23:27 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 23:27 |
| @snapcount | insert/edit image | 23:28 |
| @snapcount | and insert collateral | 23:28 |
| @snapcount | they both work for me | 23:28 |
| @snapcount | y tu? | 23:28 |
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| @snapcount | what is your malfunction | 23:29 |
| +crythia1 | beats the heck out of me. | 23:29 |
| @snapcount | do you have like a morse code connection or something | 23:29 |
| +crythia1 | I keep getting dropped | 23:29 |
| @snapcount | keying bit by bit | 23:29 |
| +crythia1 | yeah | 23:29 |
| @snapcount | so what's the verdict? | 23:30 |
| +crythia1 | ok. but the example given in the bug isn't bad | 23:30 |
| +crythia1 | unless it's index.html bad | 23:30 |
| +crythia1 | how do I upload an image... | 23:30 |
| @snapcount | maybe this happens if you set a page extension in settings | 23:30 |
| @snapcount | or maybe he's exporting the content | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | you can't directly from the RTE | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | that feature is coming back though | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | you have to use filepile | 23:31 |
| @snapcount | then select the image using insert collateral in the RTE | 23:31 |
| +crythia1 | filepile prepended the url | 23:32 |
| +crythia1 | but that's expected behavior | 23:33 |
| +crythia1 | having trouble choosing an image. | 23:33 |
| @snapcount | click on the dot to pick the object | 23:34 |
| @snapcount | use the link to get to it | 23:35 |
| +crythia1 | ok. | 23:35 |
| +crythia1 | I don't have home/uploads. | 23:36 |
| @snapcount | you have just uploads right | 23:36 |
| +crythia1 | yeah. | 23:36 |
| +crythia1 | I'm thinking... what? gateway url issue in .conf? | 23:36 |
| @snapcount | well, these guys use wG for creating content | 23:37 |
| @snapcount | then they export it to static files | 23:37 |
| @snapcount | and send it to mirrors | 23:37 |
| @snapcount | and it's not a new install, so there site settings should be correct | 23:37 |
| @snapcount | s/there/their | 23:38 |
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| +crythia1 | I don't see the issue. | 23:38 |
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| +crythias | added article on different page | 23:39 |
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| @snapcount | perlDreamer: ping | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | ahoy | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | What can I do for you today? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you like to play a game of chess? | 00:30 |
| @snapcount | would you mind running through 6.8.8... I'm doing a release tonight | 00:30 |
| @snapcount | want to test it out | 00:30 |
| @snapcount | make sure everything is up to snuff | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | is the bug list updated with what you've fixed? | 00:31 |
| @snapcount | yeah | 00:31 |
| @snapcount | everything on JT's list is fixed | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | even the calendar? | 00:31 |
| @snapcount | except the calendar stuff | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 00:31 |
| @snapcount | too much work, not enough time | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I know | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll look after I find out why my scratchFilter tests are failing | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | anything in particular you'd like me to look at? | 00:32 |
| @snapcount | maybe you could run the test suite against it | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I can do that, but the 6.8.8 test suite is way smaller than the 6.9 one | 00:33 |
| @snapcount | other than that, look at the changelog and look for anything that may have been broken by the change | 00:33 |
| @snapcount | if you can think of anything | 00:34 |
| @snapcount | so if someone changed dataform, make sure the dataform still works | 00:34 |
| @snapcount | I'll be doing the same | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | after this is the plan to start kicking butt on 6.99, or 6.8.9? | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yo *dawg | 00:35 |
| @pbmdawg | yo *reamer | 00:36 |
| @snapcount | well, we have 6.99 feature freeze in 3 weeks | 00:36 |
| @pbmdawg | YES | 00:36 |
| @snapcount | however, 7.0 won't be declared stable for quite some time | 00:36 |
| @snapcount | so there are likely to be several more 6.9 releases | 00:37 |
| @snapcount | er 6.8 | 00:37 |
| @snapcount | pbmdawg: welcome back to life | 00:38 |
| @snapcount | we still need to talk | 00:38 |
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| Baylink | Has anyone played with using a Navigation to provide Google with a sitemap XML file? | 17:31 |
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| sanyock | Hi guys! Please suggest, does current version work with mysql 4x or only 5x? | 19:26 |
| xdanger | 4.1 works | 19:47 |
| sanyock | thanks | 19:47 |
| sanyock | will it work with the latest 6.x or may be 7.0? | 19:48 |
| xdanger | but I'm not sure about coming 6.99 version.. | 19:48 |
| xdanger | I'll work with 6.8.x | 19:48 |
| sanyock | ok | 19:48 |
| xdanger | It'll | 19:49 |
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| sanyock | Hello ! | 19:38 |
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| +crythias | !bofh | 18:27 |
| WRE | BOFH Quick-excuse: dry joints on cable plug | 18:27 |
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| sanyock | Hi All | 18:33 |
| +crythias | most humble greetings, etc. | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 18:34 |
| * sanyock very curious about 7.0 release estimated date :) | 18:34 | |
| +MrHairgrease | who isn't | 18:34 |
| sanyock | :) | 18:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | but may 1 should be code freeze | 18:35 |
| sanyock | I wonder if the system is currently been developped by about two persons (management not counted) | 18:36 |
| sanyock | bug system has assignments for two persons only | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | There's more than two people | 18:37 |
| sanyock | may be I miss a lot (core, etc), it is just my IMHO | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | although the pb guys do an awful lot | 18:37 |
| sanyock | sure | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm only a part time programmer | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | So I have less time t ofix bugs | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I am busy with integrating the sqlform into 7 | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm working on graphing | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | a grpahing subsystem* | 18:38 |
| sanyock | wonder why there are so many cms's available, why people spend so many resources on them | 18:40 |
| sanyock | for example there are may be about 10 compeeting internet browsers | 18:41 |
| sanyock | 3 popular search engines | 18:41 |
| sanyock | and about 550 cms's registered at cmsmatrix | 18:41 |
| sanyock | may it is only a half | 18:42 |
| sanyock | I tried so many and webgui is the only I liked | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 18:42 |
| sanyock | also learning typo3 currently | 18:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | a lot of them also suck very hard | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c there a hobby project | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | without vision | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | never used typo3 | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I heard it's pretty good | 18:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | also pretty hard to learn | 18:43 |
| sanyock | yes, it is unusual | 18:43 |
| +crythias | I have a WebGUI FAQ. Although I'm likely to revamp it. | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | Are you gonnan choose typo over wg? | 18:44 |
| sanyock | actually after reviewving so many cms's I decided to use only two open source: WebGUI and may be typo3 | 18:44 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey gerald | 18:44 |
| +crythias | heya | 18:44 |
| sanyock | I use webgui at my job | 18:44 |
| +crythias | come 7.0, I'm probably going to start all over. | 18:44 |
| sanyock | and going to use typo3 for my personal site | 18:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg is my job =) | 18:45 |
| +crythias | I'm merely a pita helper. | 18:45 |
| sanyock | Also looking at MS Portal for intranet | 18:45 |
| +crythias | and once in a while I help debug. | 18:45 |
| sanyock | http://kurgan.pfr.ru is running webgui | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | MS Portal... | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | is that any good? | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | mucho $$$ I presume. | 18:46 |
| sanyock | i do not know right now | 18:46 |
| sanyock | in russia it does not matter :) | 18:46 |
| sanyock | at least for internal sites | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | Too bad my russian stops at vodka | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I don't even know how to spell that =) | 18:47 |
| sanyock | and white bears ? ;) | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | nah | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | don't know 'em | 18:49 |
| sanyock | not sure if WebGUI will include a tag cleaner | 18:55 |
| sanyock | it would be very convenient if wev preview taken from ms office be automitaclly cleaned | 18:55 |
| sanyock | leave only a small set like: <p>, <table> | 18:55 |
| sanyock | remove all style= | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think TinyMCE can already do that | 18:56 |
| +crythias | bluggable into tinymce | 18:56 |
| +crythias | pluggable | 18:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway gotta go in a few minutes | 18:56 |
| sanyock | may be, | 18:57 |
| sanyock | I previously tried FrontPage 2003 and latest Dreamviewer | 18:57 |
| sanyock | they clean, but not all | 18:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm. I'm not really into tag cleaning | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | I use vim and latex =) | 18:58 |
| sanyock | I found a few more tools but not tested yet: | 18:58 |
| sanyock | example: | 18:58 |
| sanyock | http://weare.ru/cgi-bin/clearhtml.cgi | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you might find more info on the tinymce site | 18:58 |
| sanyock | I will | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok gotta go | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | later guys | 18:59 |
| sanyock | Thanks for info | 18:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye | 18:59 |
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| +crythias | hi | 22:08 |
| +crythias | btw | 22:08 |
| +crythias | ack | 22:08 |
| +crythias | what a pita when you set up sendmail for the first time in like ever | 22:08 |
| +crythias | and ack. sendmail config info is not in english. Well, ok, but it's not in "dummy language for gerald" english. | 22:36 |
| +crythias | On another note, Don't joke about people's experience with marijuana... they don't seem to have a sense of humor about the effect mj has on their minds. | 22:37 |
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| nbcccorp | when did marijuana start having an effect on your mind? | 22:43 |
| +crythias | my mind in specific or "one's mind"? | 22:45 |
| nbcccorp | who are you? | 22:46 |
| +crythias | who am I? | 22:46 |
| +crythias | Are you serious? | 22:46 |
| nbcccorp | mj = mem loss = joking | 22:46 |
| * crythias is so confused. | 22:47 | |
| nbcccorp | so sad. it seems your thc riddled braincells are having a tough time. | 22:47 |
| +crythias | but I don't smoke. | 22:47 |
| nbcccorp | ah | 22:47 |
| nbcccorp | I've heard eating it is alot better. never tried. more power to you. | 22:47 |
| +crythias | Someone on a particular board was talking about how they have had the best experiences of their life while snmoking bud. | 22:48 |
| +crythias | and I casually observed "Oh, you remember it? I thought..." | 22:48 |
| +crythias | and so quickly got slammed. | 22:48 |
| +crythias | ah, well. | 22:48 |
| +crythias | it's as if I argued religion with them. | 22:49 |
| nbcccorp | can't believe you were so unfeeling. How could you intimate that their best experience in life might have been lost in a haze of thc?? Shame shame. | 23:02 |
| nbcccorp | so what's the current release date for wg 7.0? a.k.a The Great Hope. | 23:04 |
| Baylink | I believe he said Aug 1? Maybe Jul 1? It was on the ML | 23:06 |
| +crythias | that'd be a mailing list changeover? | 23:10 |
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| DforgeH_ | Hello | 04:51 |
| DforgeH_ | I' | 04:52 |
| DforgeH_ | am having trouble with a current 5.x install properly creating links. Instead of site.com/index.pl/foo it just does index.pl/foo | 04:52 |
| DforgeH_ | Got it. | 04:56 |
| DforgeH_ | thanks. | 04:56 |
| DforgeH_ | damn, or not | 04:56 |
| +crythias | hi | 05:02 |
| +crythias | I'm about the only non-bot here. | 05:02 |
| +crythias | more or less. | 05:02 |
| +crythias | dforgeh_ | 05:03 |
| DforgeH_ | :) okay | 05:05 |
| DforgeH_ | I'm working on the issue with maybe some whitespace in my config file, but I can't seem to find any. | 05:06 |
| DforgeH_ | Hrm... | 05:07 |
| DforgeH_ | Looks like it is happy again | 05:07 |
| DforgeH_ | Odd. | 05:07 |
| DforgeH_ | I wonder if my cache had to clear. | 05:07 |
| nuba | im guess i'm non-bot too | 05:10 |
| nuba | not sure tho | 05:10 |
| +crythias | heh | 05:25 |
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| xdanger_ | MrHairgrease: yo, I'm just wondering could the be a "create a sqlite3 database" function in sqlform ? | 19:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry i don't understand | 19:55 |
| xdanger_ | since sqlform uses database links, it would be nice to allow user to create a db. sqlite would be perfect for this... you could even version it through storage =) | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh i see | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it only supports mysql | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but you can always try it on sqllite of course | 19:57 |
| xdanger_ | after that it could really replace DataForm completely | 19:57 |
| xdanger_ | =) | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might work if you do not use the more obscure datatypes | 19:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i dunno | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | it was made for mysql | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | xdanger | 19:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you comming to the wuc in vegas in september? | 19:59 |
| xdanger_ | propably don't have enough money =( | 20:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | that sucks | 20:01 |
| xdanger_ | do you use something mysql specific ? do you need to use ? | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'd love to drink a beer with you | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I probably did | 20:01 |
| xdanger_ | since flyes from finland<->vegas could cost someting like 2000 euros... | 20:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | mysql has this ansi conformace fear going on | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | that much??? | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | wtf! | 20:02 |
| xdanger_ | =) | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure what a return flight would be from olland to vegas. | 20:02 |
| xdanger_ | I don't really now... I'll check... | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | But not THAT much. | 20:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's about 500 to 600 euros | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | Joeri says ebookers.com | 20:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | we don't travel buisiness class of course =) | 20:03 |
| xdanger_ | I'm in lapland on vacation with my parents... In a little cottage with only gprs connection, so it's slow to look anything up from the net =) | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | probably because of the north pole being close =) | 20:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | my internet is pretty good, but then again... I'm not on vacation | 20:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm in the office | 20:06 |
| xdanger_ | but I have to reserve many hundrets of dollars for beer and stuff ;) | 20:06 |
| xdanger_ | If I go to vegas ;) | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | Trying to port the sqlform to 699 | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | heh | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | beer isn't that expensive in vegas | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | sometimes even cheaper than in holland | 20:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | not very bad | 20:06 |
| xdanger_ | We did a layout update on our "biggest" webgui site... and upgraded to 6.8.7 at the sametime.. | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:07 |
| xdanger_ | http://luovapaja.fi see for your self... | 20:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | did the upgrade work? | 20:07 |
| xdanger_ | after many try's =) | 20:07 |
| xdanger_ | tries.. | 20:07 |
| xdanger_ | There was missing StorageIds in the database, and stuff like that... | 20:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | that sucks | 20:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice site | 20:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | too bad my finnish is not that good | 20:08 |
| xdanger_ | =) | 20:08 |
| xdanger_ | there is a english site comming this summer or so... | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually the only thing I can do with finnish is recognize that it is indeed finnish | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me know | 20:09 |
| xdanger_ | that's a portal for creative people in central finland... (where I live) | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 20:09 |
| xdanger_ | It's a part of a EU-project | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | i gotta go | 20:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | have a nice hollidays | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | and see you later | 20:10 |
| xdanger_ | ok, have fun ;) | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | in vegas hopefully =) | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 20:10 |
| xdanger_ | Or i'll come to dutch sometimes =) | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's also cool | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | we'll find one way or antoher =) | 20:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | bye | 20:10 |
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| fdillon | anything alive out there or is eveyone a bot today? | 21:27 |
| xdanger | not a bot =) | 21:43 |
| fdillon | have you heard of any vulnerablities in WG 6.7 what would allow someone to add themselves to a group? | 21:44 |
| xdanger | wasn't there some vulnerablities in 6.7... don't just remember what.. | 21:49 |
| xdanger | 6.8.6 fixed: fixed a serious security bug that would allow user account creation using a well crafted url when anonymous registration is set to off. (Thanks to Luke Bartholemy for the patch) | 21:58 |
| fdillon | right | 22:18 |
| fdillon | I can't remember what it was though | 22:18 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Frank! | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have a question | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | If I add content, log out and log in it has disappeared | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | I this because I do not run spectre? | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | calc spectre | 18:01 |
| WRE | spectre = Supervisor of Perplexing Event-handling Contraptions for Triggering Relentless Executions | 18:01 |
| fdillon | MrHairgrease must be Martin =) | 18:21 |
| fdillon | To be honest I haven't played with 7.0 all that much. In fact I just got it up and running last week | 18:21 |
| fdillon | so I'm not sure | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | Yeah me to | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | too | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | just commited the sqlform | 18:23 |
| fdillon | Hey Crythias, do you still have that freebie users guide online? | 19:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | are you gonna sue? =) | 19:24 |
| fdillon | No, I want to point someone to it | 19:31 |
| fdillon | do you know the link? | 19:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | wait please | 19:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://gwybsd.homeip.net/fomfiles/cache/1.html | 19:35 |
| WRE | <MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/otn4z | 19:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | I was just kidding about the sueing btw | 19:35 |
| fdillon | Yeah I know =p | 19:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | later | 19:41 |
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| fdillon | signing off here too. | 19:46 |
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| siriousje | ola | 00:38 |
| siriousje | and I really mean it, 7.0 will rule, but pls give me the tell-tale edge I need to push it to my clients | 01:04 |
| siriousje | 'just because' isn't going to cut it | 01:04 |
| siriousje | (and just because I believe in it, doesn't do it either) | 01:07 |
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| nbcccorp | Hey, does anyone know if individual posts to a forum have an assetId? | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | I think everything has an assetId. | 17:25 |
| nbcccorp | When I edit a post I don't see an ID. Any idea how I might find it? | 17:25 |
| wouter_procolix | Probably in the html source. | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | Right before the post somewhere should be a <a name="idxxxxxx"></a> tag. | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | where the xxxx is the assetId. | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | This allows links like domain/page#idxxxxx directly to the article. | 17:26 |
| wouter_procolix | for example: http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/sql-lookup-for-group-membership-fails#rf7SXYil5EaI2n-4fmokZA | 17:27 |
| WRE | <wouter_procolix> http://tinyurl.com/s9eno | 17:27 |
| nbcccorp | got it. thx. | 17:27 |
| wouter_procolix | okay :-) | 17:28 |
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| phobia | !seen snapcount | 05:56 |
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| Radi1 | Hiyas | 11:16 |
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| christian-Marc | Hoi Robbert | 16:33 |
| christian-Marc | ik was aan het wachten tot je op de e-mail zou reageren | 16:33 |
| christian-Marc | ik was een beetje laat met e-mailen | 16:34 |
| Trebbor123 | Aha, geen probleem | 16:35 |
| Trebbor123 | Ik had ook beter even eerder kunnen reageren. | 16:35 |
| Trebbor123 | :) | 16:35 |
| christian-Marc | Bart zit naast mee, maar zal straks aansluiten | 16:36 |
| Trebbor123 | Ok | 16:36 |
| christian-Marc | wat doe jij met webgui? | 16:36 |
| christian-Marc | en hoelang werk je hier al mee | 16:37 |
| Trebbor123 | We gebruiken Webgui hoofdzakelijk voor intern gebruik | 16:37 |
| Trebbor123 | Ik werk bij een bedrijf met een stuk of 15 websites, die staan inmiddels allemaal in webgui | 16:38 |
| christian-Marc | dat zijn er best veel | 16:38 |
| christian-Marc | allemaal zelf opgezet> | 16:38 |
| christian-Marc | > | 16:38 |
| christian-Marc | ? | 16:38 |
| Trebbor123 | Ik doe dit samen met een collega. Ik doe alles in/met Webgui, mijn collega is programmeur en zorgt voor xml-imput | 16:39 |
| christian-Marc | jij geeft ook interne trainingen? | 16:39 |
| Trebbor123 | en mensen intern bij verschillende dochterondernemingen zijn dan weer verantwoordelijk voor de content | 16:39 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja, dat probeer ik. :) | 16:40 |
| christian-Marc | heb je al iets dat je wilt delen? | 16:40 |
| Trebbor123 | Nee, ik heb geen concrete documentatie. We zijn pas recent overgegaan op de laatste versie. We zaten nog op 6.2.9 | 16:41 |
| christian-Marc | heb je ideeen hoe je deze wilt gaan maken? | 16:42 |
| Trebbor123 | Nou, wat ik nu eigenlijk het belangrijkste vind is de hover-help, de vertaling van de assets en de help index. | 16:42 |
| Trebbor123 | Zijn jullie daar al mee bezig geweest voor 6.8? | 16:43 |
| christian-Marc | nee, er is nog niks vertaald | 16:43 |
| Trebbor123 | Ah, ok. | 16:43 |
| christian-Marc | wat we wel hebben voorbereidt is een vertaal tooltje | 16:44 |
| Trebbor123 | Maar de help van de pre-asset versie is natuurlijk wel voor een groot deel herbruikbaar | 16:44 |
| christian-Marc | uiteraard | 16:44 |
| Trebbor123 | Wat is het idee van het tooltje? | 16:45 |
| christian-Marc | dit is een online lijst van alle begrippen binnen webgui, de meest recente binnen subversion | 16:46 |
| christian-Marc | het adres is: http://80.69.75.111/ | 16:46 |
| christian-Marc | met login id: vertaal en password: speelfout | 16:47 |
| christian-Marc | ik krijg net een e-mail binnen dat een vierde persoon wil helpen met vertalingen | 16:48 |
| Trebbor123 | Ah, das mooi. | 16:48 |
| Trebbor123 | De tool ziet er al handig uit. Dus eigenlijk is het dan een kwestie van beginnen met vertalen? | 16:49 |
| christian-Marc | inderdaad | 16:49 |
| Trebbor123 | Wat is het verschil tussen de rode en witte regels? | 16:49 |
| christian-Marc | ik geloof dat de rode regels in versie 7.0 vervallen | 16:49 |
| christian-Marc | deze hebben een tag old version | 16:50 |
| Trebbor123 | Maar ik begrijp dat jullie ook een handleiding willen schrijven vor WebGUI? | 16:50 |
| christian-Marc | dat klopt | 16:50 |
| christian-Marc | ik heb een handleiding geschreven in openoffice | 16:50 |
| christian-Marc | voor content managers | 16:50 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja, dat is ook het gedeelte waar ik het meest aan zou hebben. | 16:51 |
| christian-Marc | heb je mijn agenda gelezen? | 16:53 |
| Trebbor123 | Yep. | 16:53 |
| christian-Marc | zou je deze willen doorlopen? | 16:53 |
| Trebbor123 | Dat is goed | 16:54 |
| christian-Marc | bart is even aangeschoven | 16:54 |
| christian-Marc | en leest met mij mee | 16:54 |
| christian-Marc | hij heeft nog geen eigen irc-account | 16:55 |
| Trebbor123 | Ok | 16:55 |
| christian-Marc | ik stel voor om de handleidingen te gaan schrijven in latex | 16:55 |
| christian-Marc | ik bedenk me net dat ik als eerste moet vragen of de agenda compleet is? is de agenda compleet | 16:56 |
| Trebbor123 | Wat mij betreft wel. Heb je nog iets van Arjan gehoord? | 16:56 |
| christian-Marc | wat bedoel je? | 16:57 |
| Trebbor123 | Of die zou komen? | 16:57 |
| christian-Marc | nee, hij stuurt ons bij van de achtergrond | 16:57 |
| christian-Marc | zal niet direct participeren | 16:57 |
| Trebbor123 | O.k. | 16:58 |
| christian-Marc | Arjan wil wel graag weten wat de structuur wordt van de verschillende handleidingen | 16:59 |
| Trebbor123 | Wat is voor jullie belangrijker, de online documentatie c.q. vertaling van WebGUI of een handleiding over hoe te werken met WebGUI? | 17:00 |
| christian-Marc | eigenlijk beide | 17:02 |
| christian-Marc | wij hadden documantatie nodig voor een training en die heb ik geschreven | 17:03 |
| Trebbor123 | Aha, ik zit het meest te wachten op de vertaling van de Assets. | 17:03 |
| christian-Marc | oke | 17:03 |
| Trebbor123 | Is het een idee om ons eerst hierop te concentreren en binnen een aantal week dit met behulp van jullie tool dit met zoveel mogelijk mensen te vertalen? | 17:03 |
| christian-Marc | goed idee | 17:04 |
| christian-Marc | dit moet toch eerst gebeuren omdat deze berippen binnen de handleidingen gebruikt worden | 17:04 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja, inderdaad. | 17:04 |
| Trebbor123 | Hoeveel mensen zijn hiertoe bereid, zover bekend? | 17:04 |
| christian-Marc | ik kreeg net nog een naam binnen Hans van Zeist | 17:05 |
| christian-Marc | hij wil helpen met vertalen | 17:05 |
| christian-Marc | ik stel voor om de vertalingen in ons tooltje te gaan doen | 17:06 |
| Trebbor123 | En verder? Len, jij, bart, Arjan? | 17:06 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja, lijkt me ook een goed idee. | 17:06 |
| Trebbor123 | Ieder een bepaald deel, en misschien afspreken dat ieder ook even het deel van iemand anders naloopt op eventuele foutjes/verbeteringen. | 17:07 |
| christian-Marc | namen zijn: Bart Jol, Bart Coninckx, Hans van Zeist, jij en ik | 17:07 |
| christian-Marc | dus vijf personene | 17:08 |
| Trebbor123 | Ah, twee bart-en. :) | 17:08 |
| Trebbor123 | En Len Kranendonk zouden we ook nog kunnen vragen. | 17:08 |
| Trebbor123 | Ik heb in eerste instantie met hem contact gezocht en het leek hem ook een goed idee. | 17:08 |
| christian-Marc | zeker, ik zal een mailtje sturen | 17:10 |
| christian-Marc | als we straks klaar zijn zal ik naar iedereen een mailtje sturen | 17:12 |
| Trebbor123 | Okee. | 17:13 |
| Trebbor123 | Ik moet er nu helaas vandaar, er wordt op mij gewacht. | 17:13 |
| Trebbor123 | Wellicht kunnen we per e-mail met alle belangstellenden het hebben over de verdeling van het vertalen en dan vervolgens enthousiast beginnen te vertalen? | 17:14 |
| Trebbor123 | Of zijn er nog dingen die eerst besproken moeten worden? | 17:14 |
| christian-Marc | heb je ervaring met latex? | 17:15 |
| Trebbor123 | Nee, heb er zelfs nog nooit van gehoord. | 17:15 |
| christian-Marc | oke, hierin wil ik de handleidingen gaan schrijven | 17:15 |
| Trebbor123 | Klinkt ook als een linux iets, ik ben maar een simpele Windows gebruiker | 17:15 |
| christian-Marc | nee, niks met linux te maken, maar dat komt nog wel | 17:15 |
| Trebbor123 | Yep, das goed. | 17:16 |
| christian-Marc | heb je een account op webgui.nl | 17:16 |
| christian-Marc | ? | 17:16 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja, geloof het wel. :) | 17:16 |
| christian-Marc | we gaan daar een thuisbasis van het vertaal project maken, met forum en download plaats | 17:16 |
| Trebbor123 | Ah, lijkt me een goed idee. | 17:16 |
| christian-Marc | het adres stuur ik je nog | 17:16 |
| Trebbor123 | Maar ik moet nu echt gaan. | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | verder contact eerst per email? | 17:17 |
| christian-Marc | zeker | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Oke. | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Sorry voor de onderbreking, we spreken elkaar nog. | 17:17 |
| christian-Marc | bedankt voor de chat, wil je dit vaker op een bepaald tijdstip doen | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Prettig weekend alvast! | 17:17 |
| Trebbor123 | Ja hoor, geen probleem. | 17:17 |
| christian-Marc | mail dit ook nog, later!! | 17:17 |
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| lenthamen | hello | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, len | 00:46 |
| lenthamen | hey colin. | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | how are things over there? | 00:48 |
| lenthamen | I'm trying to make a static dump of a webgui site. The problem I'm experiencing is that I have /page and page/sub. In that case I get both a file "page" and a directory "page" which isn't possible.... | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | html dump or database dump? | 00:49 |
| lenthamen | All is going well ! | 00:49 |
| lenthamen | html dump | 00:49 |
| lenthamen | using wget. | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | for the purpose of the dump can you add a suffix to the pages in wget using the settings? | 00:49 |
| lenthamen | yeah that would fix it, the problem is that URLExtension only works for new pages afaik. | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | probably | 00:50 |
| lenthamen | I'll going to add .html to <tmpl_var page.url> in the navigation and use mod_rewrite to remove it.... | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | have you looked at --no-directories in wget? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | or --html-extension? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | --html-extension will automatically add .html to your pages on download | 00:53 |
| lenthamen | I've tried --nd with no luck... Will have a look at --html-extension ! | 00:54 |
| lenthamen | wget -p -r --html-extension -k http://the.webgui.site | 00:59 |
| lenthamen | that did it ! | 00:59 |
| lenthamen | Thanks Colin ! | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | no problem, len | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | manpages rock :) | 01:01 |
| lenthamen | We might document this somewhere... It works really nice. All page requisites are also downloaded (-p) and links are converted (-k) so the pages are suitable for local viewing. | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, we could either do it on the dicussion boards, or on the online docs | 01:11 |
| lenthamen | I'll post it on the discussion board.. | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll stick it in the online docs, too. Maybe if we start to add things like that to it people will find them more useful. | 01:25 |
| lenthamen | http://www.plainblack.com/etcetera/howto-export-complete-webgui-site | 01:26 |
| WRE | <lenthamen> http://tinyurl.com/peos7 | 01:26 |
| lenthamen | this works much better than the build-in export function or the generateContent.pl script, because wget is taking care of all the hard things (url rewriting / image downloading). | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, images, javascript, css and everything | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | I had an idea for little Wobject. I call it the Scheduler. | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Each wobject would be able to have a bunch of configurable time slots (time, location, number of people) | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the wobject then gives regular users the ability to sign up for empty, unused slots | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and generate a report of who is coming when | 01:30 |
| lenthamen | ok, that sounds cool. Can't multiple users sign up for the same time slot ? | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | only if the slot will take multiple people | 01:32 |
| lenthamen | ok. | 01:32 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be good for scheduling office hours and appointments and stuff like that. | 01:33 |
| lenthamen | yeah that's handy for conferences or meeting room reservation or even the "borrow my dvd collection" :) | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | well, for conferences there's the new EventManagementSystem. I need something like it but much, much simpler | 01:34 |
| lenthamen | I'm thinking about adding an "upload image" function to the "insert image" dialog in tinymce. | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I think Wouter may have just done that in 6.99 | 01:35 |
| lenthamen | ah ok, good that you mention that. | 01:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd check the dev list archive just in case I'm wrong | 01:36 |
| lenthamen | I'll mail him. | 01:36 |
| lenthamen | Colin are you planning on coming to the WUC ? | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm talking on day 1 about writing WebGUI tests | 01:38 |
| lenthamen | ok that's cool. | 01:38 |
| lenthamen | Can't be there :( | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a long way from Europe to Vegas | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a schedule conflict? | 01:39 |
| lenthamen | We're expecting an addition to the family around that time. | 01:39 |
| lenthamen | So yeah, a schedule conflict :D | 01:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Congratulations! | 01:39 |
| lenthamen | tnx! | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | Your first? | 01:40 |
| lenthamen | no, 2nd. We already have a 3 year old daughter. | 01:41 |
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| christian-Marc | hoi | 13:05 |
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| christian-Marc | daar is ik weer | 13:06 |
| bartjol | jeee | 13:06 |
| christian-Marc | werkt | 13:06 |
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| +MrHairgrease | yo | 13:06 |
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| xdanger | yo | 13:40 |
| +MrHairgrease | yo | 13:58 |
| xdanger | MrHairgrease: did you take a look at my post on the dev-list ? | 14:31 |
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| xdanger | chansen_: or you ? | 14:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 14:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | streaming files is slow though | 14:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and will tie up your modperl process | 14:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | adding a caching proxy can indeed solve taht | 14:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess anyway | 14:34 |
| xdanger | the session is all ready opened for the uploads directory for checking rights... so currenlty request to /some/file.pdf opens a full wg request which redirects it to uploads which opens a wg session | 14:54 |
| xdanger | thats to request, an both served throug mod_perl | 14:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 14:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | but if you serve the file the teh url of the asset | 14:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | that means webgui will have to stream the thing | 14:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is slower than having apache spitting it out | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | and slower means that your precious mp process will be tie up longer | 14:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | which means a performance hit | 14:57 |
| xdanger | doesn't that reqest object handle the whole apache prosess... So that if you rewrite the request internally, it's not webgui that's serving the file but apache directly ? | 14:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | afaik you still use the same mod_perl process | 14:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the shorter that is used the better it is | 14:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | and | 14:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | in that case you can also have a seperate collateral server | 14:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | that only serves stuff from the upoads dir | 15:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | therfore relieving the actual content server | 15:00 |
| xdanger | we'll thats why I thinkt that this should only be an option if someone wan't to use it =) | 15:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | making it optional is ok imho | 15:02 |
| xdanger | you can allways have a ^FileUrl(); around the file, so it is served directly from the uploads folder.. | 15:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wasn't saying it was a bad idea btw | 15:02 |
| xdanger | but the problem was that a client of mine had a pdf with wrong information popping up in google.. | 15:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c of versioning? | 15:03 |
| xdanger | since there isn't a fixed url for storage.. | 15:03 |
| xdanger | it changes with addrevision | 15:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i know | 15:04 |
| xdanger | It could be better to have the "current" revision to allways have the same url ? and the "old"/"not published yet" versions to have something else ? | 15:05 |
| xdanger | so that there would be a storageId in the asset table in addition to assetData table | 15:05 |
| xdanger | just a thought | 15:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | taht might work | 15:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | but then you are changing versioned data | 15:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | which should be a nono | 15:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is versioned (and therfore static) after alll | 15:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | you stumbled on an interseting bug | 15:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I'm curious what jt will say about it | 15:07 |
| xdanger | you could have a storage location for each revision, that would remain intact, and a separete "master" storagelocation that would be updated depending on the published revision | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah I know what you mean | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is still changing the versioned data | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | storagelocation == data | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | personally i wouldn't care about that | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | but jt might | 15:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if it can cause trouble | 15:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not that die hard in the versioning system yet | 15:10 |
| xdanger | should I reply to my own post about a different implemention =D | 15:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | why not | 15:11 |
| xdanger | I really thinkt that versionin is a good thing, but that webgui's way of versioning isn't the best way to go... | 15:11 |
| chansen_ | xdanger: I recommend using a reverse proxy (separate instance of httpd, with threaded MPM) or even better lighttpd | 15:11 |
| xdanger | chansen_: I remember... | 15:11 |
| xdanger | I'm with you on the lighttpd opinion.. | 15:11 |
| xdanger | Might do that with our hosting | 15:12 |
| chansen_ | it's perfect for serving static files | 15:12 |
| xdanger | it quite... "light" ;) | 15:12 |
| chansen_ | single threaded, uses kernel event notifications | 15:12 |
| xdanger | but yet quite powerful | 15:12 |
| * MrHairgrease continues hacking graph labels | 15:13 | |
| xdanger | the only reason people use apache is becouse everybody uses apache... | 15:13 |
| chansen_ | well, there is not much that kicks apaches API and modularity | 15:14 |
| chansen_ | pick right tool for the job ;) | 15:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 15:15 |
| xdanger | we'll thats true | 15:15 |
| xdanger | I just think that apache as a reverse proxy is a little overhead | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | I always use a sledgehammer to put screws in stuff | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | rel fast | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 15:16 |
| xdanger | but have to say that I love mod_rewrite ;) | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | but harware is cheap | 15:16 |
| xdanger | MrHairgrease: server hardware isn't ;) | 15:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | there's always the tradeoff between hardware cost and timeinvestment cost | 15:17 |
| chansen_ | xdanger: you will gain from a reverse proxy, especially with slow clients | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | well in a lot of cases it is cheap enough | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'm not the expert in that area | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | Koen is | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's true | 15:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | b/c it releases the m_p process earlier right? | 15:18 |
| xdanger | chansen_: I know... I'm not saying that you shouldn't use a proxy... I think it's a must with webgui... | 15:18 |
| chansen_ | MrHairgrease: right and it's also possible to buffer the whole request before sending it to app server | 15:19 |
| xdanger | I just hate ugly urls, and people se thous urls after the redirect... so they could bookmark to that url with storageId, and when they update that pdf, and say to their people to load the new version, they'll push that bookmark direclty to the old version... | 15:20 |
| chansen_ | in fast and out fast and you have happy children ;) | 15:20 |
| xdanger | I'm quite more of a typo-guy today than usual... | 15:20 |
| chansen_ | which direct status code do you/webgui use? | 15:21 |
| xdanger | 302 ? | 15:21 |
| xdanger | not sure | 15:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | i guess 302 | 15:22 |
| chansen_ | use 307 with explicit cache-control headers | 15:22 |
| chansen_ | fixes your problems :) | 15:22 |
| xdanger | $self->setStatus("302", "Redirect"); | 15:23 |
| xdanger | what's the difference ? | 15:23 |
| xdanger | 302 - Found | 15:24 |
| xdanger | The requested resource has been found under a different URI but the client should continue to use the original URI. | 15:24 |
| xdanger | 307 - Temporary Redirect | 15:24 |
| xdanger | The resource has temporarily been moved to a different URI. The client should use the original URI to access the resource in future as the URI may change. | 15:24 |
| xdanger | again, what's the diffence ?-) | 15:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | in a 302 the ua will cache the redirect url i guess | 15:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | in a 307 it won't | 15:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | since the redirect is in a state of flux | 15:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | right? | 15:26 |
| xdanger | Oh... That would be better, me thinks =) | 15:26 |
| chansen_ | most browsers respect 307 and ignores 302 because of it's more or less misuse | 15:26 |
| xdanger | define "most browsers" ;) | 15:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | but in case of xdanger it's the googlebot that is important | 15:27 |
| chansen_ | but send proper cache-headers | 15:27 |
| xdanger | MrHairgrease: also the bookmarking case | 15:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 15:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | that too | 15:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 15:27 |
| xdanger | so google and the end user should only see a url that allways goes to the newest version.. | 15:28 |
| chansen_ | /location/resource/head -> 307 -> /location/resource/version/1.1 | 15:29 |
| chansen_ | /location/resource/version/1.1 should be cacheable | 15:29 |
| chansen_ | but not /location/resource/head | 15:30 |
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| nbcccorp | Is there a way to send a test email from WG? I just want to test the email setup and wondered if there is an easy way. | 15:47 |
| xdanger | dataform ?-) | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | create a collab system | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah yeah | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | dataform is easier | 15:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | tyep your email address into the to field when you create one | 15:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | and submit a form | 15:48 |
| nbcccorp | ok. | 15:48 |
| nbcccorp | How does it work? Is it just doing it's own perl based smtp session to the mta you specify? | 15:49 |
| xdanger | uses webguis mailing function | 15:50 |
| nbcccorp | ok. thx. | 15:50 |
| xdanger | which can be configured to use different methods, iirc | 15:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | depends on which version of wg you run | 15:51 |
| nbcccorp | iirc? | 15:51 |
| xdanger | if I recall correctly | 15:51 |
| nbcccorp | 6.7.8 on wre | 15:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | in <6.99 it uses some perl module to talk directly to the mailserver | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | in 6.99 mailing is scheduled throug spectre | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | make sure the mailserver address in the settings menu is correct | 15:52 |
| nbcccorp | what is spectre? | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | localhost will suffice on most setups | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | calc spectre | 15:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh wre is down | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | spectre is the new runHourly | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | is handles workflow and all other stuff that somehow needs to be executed from outside | 15:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | spectre = Supervisor of Perplexing Event-handling Contraptions for Triggering Relentless Executions | 15:54 |
| nbcccorp | is that a pb thing or another os project which is included? | 15:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is include with webgui | 15:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | wg won't work without it | 15:55 |
| nbcccorp | ok. thx. | 15:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is easy to setup | 15:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | so don't worry =) | 15:55 |
| xdanger | or it uses sendmail binary, I think.. | 15:55 |
| xdanger | that's to common way | 15:55 |
| nbcccorp | no worries. I'm using wre so I'm sure JT will look out for me. | 15:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 15:58 |
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| +MrHairgrease | jt | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | how long will there be a code freeze | 17:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | on estimate of course | 17:17 |
| @rizen | feature freeze | 17:17 |
| @rizen | a very long time | 17:17 |
| @rizen | at least by our standards | 17:17 |
| @rizen | it will be several months | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | so like three month or so | 17:18 |
| @rizen | i'd say at least that | 17:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:18 |
| @rizen | we'll have two months of just beta and release candidates | 17:18 |
| @rizen | and i'll probably keep the freeze in effect for at least a month after that | 17:18 |
| @rizen | before i branch the repo | 17:18 |
| @rizen | i want to make sure that we're ultra stable | 17:19 |
| @rizen | before we branch to begin new work | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm trying to get the graphing stuff finished in time | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I'm not sure I'm gonna make it | 17:19 |
| @rizen | what do you have left? | 17:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | right now I'm cleaning up the code | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | and create some sort of consistent api =) | 17:20 |
| @rizen | hehe | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll need these things in addition | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | some kind of palette manager | 17:20 |
| @rizen | don't worry about having every graph under the sun done | 17:20 |
| @rizen | but you do need to have whatever api you're going to use solidified | 17:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll have pies 2 and 3d | 17:21 |
| @rizen | because after 7.0.0 | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | lines 2d | 17:21 |
| @rizen | the api must remain backward compatible | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | and bars 2d (sacked and next to eachother | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | stacked* | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | I hope to have a working system ready by somewhere tomorrow | 17:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'll send it to you for approval | 17:22 |
| @rizen | cool | 17:22 |
| @rizen | one favor i have to ask for | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | go ahead | 17:22 |
| @rizen | make your graphing system use #ffffff hex codes for colors | 17:22 |
| @rizen | like the rest of the web does | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | of course | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | question | 17:22 |
| @rizen | even if behind the scenes you translate into rgb or whwever | 17:23 |
| @rizen | whatever | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | how to handle alpha channels | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | im does it by adding a hex pair | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | so #333333aa | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | for instance | 17:23 |
| @rizen | where aa is the thing to become transparent? | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | the transparanetness of it | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | 00 is solid | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | ff is invisible | 17:24 |
| @rizen | i think that will be confusing to users | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe | 17:24 |
| @rizen | we're probably better off if we create a slider control | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it is a very important aspect of the coolness of graphs | 17:24 |
| @rizen | let them set a color | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | sure | 17:25 |
| @rizen | oh yeah, i agree | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | if you have a cool javascript thingy | 17:25 |
| @rizen | behind the scenes i don't care what happens | 17:25 |
| @rizen | i'm just saying that i think that the api should keep the two seperate | 17:25 |
| @rizen | so we can easily use two seperate form controls | 17:25 |
| @rizen | for users | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:25 |
| @rizen | one that's a color picker | 17:25 |
| @rizen | and one for alpha blending | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'll try to construct something | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's cool with me | 17:26 |
| @rizen | cool | 17:26 |
| @rizen | constructing a slider is very easy to do | 17:26 |
| @rizen | i can handle that | 17:26 |
| @rizen | or better yet, i'll probably just steal one from somewhere | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | a palette color consists of a color value (#xxxxxx) and a alphavalue (#xx) | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | you should steal | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | there are too many reinvented wheels already | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 17:27 |
| @rizen | and #xx is hex also, right? | 17:27 |
| @rizen | 0-f? | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | #00-#ff | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | 256 values | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | But there must already be something that handles that | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just didn't have time to look for it | 17:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway I should continue | 17:29 |
| @rizen | k bye | 17:29 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Or else there will never be an api | 17:29 |
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| +crythias | I can't believe it's not butter. | 21:22 |
| xdanger | =D | 21:27 |
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| @snapcount | I'm back! | 18:17 |
| @snapcount | but not really right now | 18:18 |
| @snapcount | have to go take finals | 18:18 |
| @snapcount | err a lab practical | 18:18 |
| @snapcount | finals are next week =) | 18:18 |
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| nbcccorp | does anyone happen to know how wg survey wobjects make the decision to start a new response or pick up the last one? | 23:24 |
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| Nickola | !seen snapcount | 04:18 |
| Nickola | oops....no bot. | 04:18 |
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| meshell | hi | 06:11 |
| +crythia1 | hi | 06:35 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hi all, anybody listening/reading? | 16:43 |
| wouter_procolix | I'm trying to fix some of the bugs in the Events Calendar... | 16:43 |
| wouter_procolix | but I'm wondering how it's supposed to work anyway. | 16:43 |
| wouter_procolix | Someone with experience on that topic? | 16:43 |
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| +crythias | howdy | 22:59 |
| fdillon | hey | 22:59 |
| +crythias | I miss Matthew. | 23:00 |
| +crythias | I haven't talked to him in weeks. | 23:00 |
| +crythias | then again, I haven't seen Roy around for ages, either. | 23:00 |
| fdillon | both have been extremely busy | 23:01 |
| fdillon | with client project and WebGUI 7 coming out | 23:01 |
| +crythias | I imagine. | 23:01 |
| fdillon | hopefully things will slow down here and we'll all get a chance to catch our breath | 23:01 |
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| @snapcount | I'm alive | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | barely | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | =P | 23:11 |
| xdanger | =) | 23:11 |
| @snapcount | I like the channel topic | 23:11 |
| xdanger | this is nice, I have a athlon x2 4200 with 2Gigs of memory with dual 19" tft, and my old faithfull ibook hooked together woth synergy =) | 23:12 |
| xdanger | s/woth/with/ | 23:13 |
| xdanger | so its three displays (one with max os x) and one mouse/keyboard =P | 23:13 |
| xdanger | It's worknight =/ | 23:13 |
| xdanger | desided to upgrade the rest of our webguis to 6.8. | 23:14 |
| xdanger | only problem is the damn .wgaccess files... | 23:15 |
| xdanger | I'll just do a "find . -name ".wgaccess" -exec rm {} \;" =) | 23:17 |
| xdanger | btw. Is this fixed in 6.99 ? | 23:18 |
| xdanger | I mean .wgaccess not updating when changing permissions ? | 23:18 |
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| @snapcount | I'm not sure | 00:06 |
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| nbcccorp | Hello? Anyone out there willing to give me a hand with a wg6.8.5 > 6.8.8 issue? | 06:08 |
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| xdanger | yey! upgrade to 6.8.8 complete =P | 08:45 |
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| +crythias | Matt! | 15:50 |
| +crythias | 2LNG2CU | 15:50 |
| @pbmdawg | too lung to coo? | 15:50 |
| +crythias | heh | 15:50 |
| +crythias | 2 lungs to cough up? | 15:51 |
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| Woefdram | Mogge | 17:07 |
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| Woefdram | Anybody awake? :) | 17:09 |
| christian-Marc | hello | 17:09 |
| Woefdram | It's Hans, Syncera. | 17:09 |
| christian-Marc | hoi | 17:10 |
| christian-Marc | ik heb een eigen chat channel aangemaakt | 17:10 |
| Woefdram | Ah. | 17:10 |
| Woefdram | En waar vind ik dat? | 17:10 |
| christian-Marc | je kunt dit joinen door het volgende in te typen: /join #webgui.nl | 17:10 |
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| christian-Marc | are you Young from united knowledge | 17:17 |
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| christian-Marc | hoi robbert | 17:18 |
| robbert | Hallo | 17:18 |
| christian-Marc | ik heb een eigen channel aangemaakt, typ in /join #webgui.nl | 17:19 |
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| @pbmdawg | hi | 17:37 |
| christian-Marc | hello | 17:39 |
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| +crythias | hrm | 18:38 |
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| @pbmdawg | hrm? | 18:44 |
| +crythias | yeah hrm | 18:44 |
| +crythias | http://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/index.en.html | 18:44 |
| @pbmdawg | crythias; I need some apache help | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | looking for an opinion on i18n. Is anyone around? | 20:51 |
| xdanger | I could | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I've already decided to do it, but this will be a nice double check | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the style editor allows for the upload of a logo | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and after upload, wG assigns it a title, menuTitle, etc | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | like this: | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | title=>join(' ', $form->get("heading"), $i18n->get('logo')), | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | used to be title=>$form->get("heading"). " Logo", | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I was wondering if it made sense to internationalize the Logo part of that | 21:02 |
| xdanger | er... just that i18n isn't so musch per site as it is per installation... | 21:04 |
| xdanger | and users don't have the ability to edit them.. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but it still grabs the user's preferences | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't choose my language? | 21:04 |
| xdanger | Your meaning that you wan't to have different logos for different languages... | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you (you yourself) created a style and uploaded an image and you used,say, Portugeuse for your native language, wouldn't you want the logo's title to be in Portuguese as well? | 21:06 |
| xdanger | I was just wonderint the function what you are trying to acomplish with that | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I see | 21:06 |
| xdanger | of course, but I'm still donät understand what the uploaded image and i18n has to do with each other =) | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the name for the logo is pulled from the name for the website, $form->get("heading") | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | that is a field where a user can enter in text in any language | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | so it didn't make sense to me to have a localized name for a logo followed by the English word "Logo". | 21:09 |
| xdanger | ok | 21:09 |
| xdanger | I've been awake too much, so please give me some slack ;) | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | no problem | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not doing a good job of explaining either | 21:10 |
| xdanger | maybe I just should look at some code and I propably would get it, but human-to-human communication isn't my strong point now ;) | 21:11 |
| xdanger | spend last night up upgrading sites/custom code to 6.8.7 and then 6.8.8 | 21:12 |
| xdanger | from 6.7.7 | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | was it easy? | 21:12 |
| xdanger | Just have to say that 6.8 is loads of faster... | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | The 6.9 conversion isn't trivial | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | the session changes reach almost everywhere | 21:13 |
| xdanger | My client called me and said that "What did you do? the site is fucking fast" - "We'll I've upgraded it and noticed that you had disabled your cache ;)" | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, users | 21:14 |
| xdanger | I have some of stuff "backported" drom 6.9, or should I say that 6.9 has my pagination and navigation tweaks in it ;) | 21:15 |
| xdanger | and I've done some little alterations where they suit me... like sorting storage.pm:s filelist, and returnign undef if storages getContentAsRef fails... | 21:16 |
| xdanger | and I have my own forked version on CS calles xCollaboration (xPost and xThread) where I've added more dynamic listing of threads and categories | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that seems like a lot of code to maintain | 21:17 |
| xdanger | yep | 21:18 |
| xdanger | the xCS in particular | 21:18 |
| xdanger | If you take a look at this: http://luovapaja.fi/taitajat? | 21:18 |
| xdanger | on the left there is Kategoriat... thats categorys for you... user managed listing of creative people | 21:19 |
| xdanger | only if there would have been Matrix asset when I did that | 21:19 |
| xdanger | the first one is list all | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | what language is this? | 21:19 |
| xdanger | Finnish | 21:19 |
| +crythias | pbmdawg: what? | 21:20 |
| xdanger | one problem that I'm havin is that in utf8 ä is a and a umlaut sign, so when I list a* it also list ä* | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | crythias: ww | 21:20 |
| +crythias | wii! | 21:21 |
| @pbmdawg | crythias: not ww | 21:21 |
| xdanger | Wii, the new nintendo console =) | 21:21 |
| +crythias | the What Is It | 21:21 |
| xdanger | I should be going to sauna and then preparing to the rock consert... | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like more fun than i18n'ing wG 6.99 | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 21:22 |
| xdanger | I think that Wii is better thatn ViiV (or how is it spelled) | 21:22 |
| xdanger | jeah, but my back hurts and I'm tired... | 21:23 |
| xdanger | but it's a very good band from sweden =) | 21:23 |
| xdanger | I think tomorrow I should commit my little changes to snv, If 1st of may is feature freeze | 21:24 |
| xdanger | In finland like everybody is drunk on 30th ;) | 21:24 |
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| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 3 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] | 15:45 | |
| xdanger | chansen: you hapen to be online ? | 15:45 |
| xdanger | my $subr = $r->lookup_file($filename,); | 15:46 |
| xdanger | couses [Sun Apr 30 15:44:45 2006] [notice] child pid 28049 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) | 15:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | xdanger: are you awake? | 19:23 |
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