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| crythias | *yawn* | 15:49 |
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| crythias | would you try something for me? | 19:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | sure | 19:26 |
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| crythias | do you have a browser that you can use the links toolbar for? | 19:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't even know what the links took bar is | 19:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | I only have ff 1.0.2 available right now | 19:27 |
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| crythias | ok. np. Actually, I gotta go to lunch. | 19:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | bon apetit | 19:27 |
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| crythias | check this out: http://www.gwy2.org/sbs/sbs.html?url=http://www.plainblack.com/discuss | 19:27 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/jp65p | 19:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | what is it good for? | 19:29 |
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| crythias | tech support | 19:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | I can see its usefulness for that indeed | 19:29 |
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| crythias | I have a button that automatically adds google search to any page. | 19:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | how does it do that | 19:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | javascript? | 19:30 |
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| crythias | so, you just click the button for the page you're on, and you get full google search | 19:30 |
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| crythias | yeah | 19:30 |
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| crythias | and frames | 19:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | cool | 19:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | submit it | 19:30 |
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| crythias | I based it upon something like www.gahooyoogle.com | 19:30 |
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| crythias | I've always wanted an easy way to split a current page/screen | 19:31 |
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| crythias | and browser wasn't cutting it for me. | 19:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | first useful use of frames i'v ever seen | 19:31 |
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| crythias | you're using firefox, right? | 19:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah | 19:32 |
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| crythias | you have the "Recent Headlines" bar, right? | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | could be | 19:32 |
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| crythias | unless you've customized it. | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | never looked into the 'advanced' features | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | If I can browse it ok | 19:32 |
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| crythias | "links" bar is just a list of one-click things, where the rss feeds go. | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh and I use the webdevelopers toolbar | 19:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | Oh ok | 19:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | I never use rss feeds | 19:33 |
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| crythias | !seen pbmdawg | 21:32 |
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| @WRE | pbmdawg (n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com) was last seen parting #WebGUI 16 hours, 38 minutes ago stating "{}". | 21:32 |
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| crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/sbs/sbsdrag.html | 21:38 |
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| @snapcount | so I installed base and snort on my gateway machine last night | 23:27 |
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| @snapcount | the internet is a dangerous place | 23:27 |
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| @snapcount | especially if you have MS-SQL | 23:27 |
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| @snapcount | I've had like 90 attempts by some MS-SQL worm | 23:28 |
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| crythias | people behind webgui? where? | 23:47 |
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| --- Day changed Thu Mar 02 2006 |
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| @snapcount | YO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 | 00:44 |
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| @snapcount | YO | 00:44 |
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| crythias | 'lo | 00:44 |
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| @snapcount | is a toy with string | 00:44 |
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| terje | greetings | 00:45 |
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| terje | I'm having some trouble getting webgui going. | 00:45 |
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| @snapcount | hi there | 00:45 |
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| terje | I think perhaps there's some problems w/ the sourc.e | 00:45 |
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| @snapcount | ooh boy | 00:45 |
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| @snapcount | what kind of problems | 00:45 |
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| crythias | nah. nothing wrong with webgui *stares at ceiling.* must be user error. :-P | 00:45 |
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| crythias | j/k | 00:46 |
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| crythias | O:-) | 00:46 |
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| terje | heh | 00:46 |
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| terje | I got the sarcasam | 00:47 |
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| terje | sarcasm, even. | 00:47 |
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| terje | ok, here goes. | 00:47 |
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| terje | [webgui@helo lib]$ perl -c WebGUI.pm | 00:47 |
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| terje | Variable "$parenthesis" is not imported at (re_eval 12) line 2. | 00:47 |
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| terje | Global symbol "$parenthesis" requires explicit package name at (re_eval 12) line 2. | 00:47 |
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| terje | Compilation failed in regexp at WebGUI/Macro.pm line 53. | 00:47 |
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| terje | Compilation failed in require at WebGUI.pm line 22. | 00:47 |
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| terje | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at WebGUI.pm line 22. | 00:47 |
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| crythias | because you're using 5.5.8 | 00:47 |
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| crythias | change our to my | 00:47 |
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| terje | is that all? | 00:47 |
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| crythias | could be. | 00:47 |
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| @snapcount | wow | 00:47 |
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| @snapcount | never met someone actually using 5 | 00:47 |
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| @snapcount | that's kind of cool | 00:48 |
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| crythias | I've only answered this question 3 times in the past week | 00:48 |
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| terje | This is perl, v5.8.6 built for i386-linux-thread-multi | 00:48 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 00:48 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 00:48 |
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| @snapcount | guess I should pay more attention | 00:48 |
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| crythias | no. you wouldn't have known. | 00:48 |
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| crythias | :) | 00:48 |
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| terje | so, I'm still not quite clear.. | 00:49 |
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| crythias | Macro.pm | 00:49 |
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| terje | change 'our' to 'my' where exactly? | 00:49 |
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| terje | ah | 00:49 |
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| * terje smacks forehead | 00:49 |
| crythias | hee | 00:49 |
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| crythias | not only do I know. I can read minds :) | 00:49 |
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| @snapcount | ooh boy | 00:49 |
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| @snapcount | self mutilation | 00:50 |
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| crythias | and you're killing yourself starting on 5.5.8 | 00:50 |
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| * snapcount gets some popcorn | 00:50 |
| crythias | just saying. | 00:50 |
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| crythias | might want to take a look at my FAQ while you're at it :) http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom | 00:50 |
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| @snapcount | ya know, the proper thing to do in a situation like this... is to ask our president what to do... | 00:50 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 00:51 |
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| @WRE | "I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy." | 00:51 |
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| @snapcount | see, there's the answer | 00:51 |
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| @snapcount | you need a foreign handed foreign policy | 00:51 |
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| crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/pipermail/webgui/2006-March/000013.html | 00:51 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/o5vmu | 00:51 |
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| @snapcount | !bofh | 00:52 |
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| @WRE | BOFH Quick-excuse: Sysadmin accidentally destroyed pager with a large hammer. | 00:52 |
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| @snapcount | boy, I'm in a mood today | 00:53 |
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| crythias | I guess :) | 00:53 |
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| * snapcount slaps snapcount around a bit with a large trout | 00:53 |
| crythias | terje :) I hope you aren't offended by my responses :) | 00:53 |
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| @snapcount | or mine | 00:53 |
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| terje | I'm not | 00:53 |
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| @snapcount | you can pipe me to /dev/null | 00:53 |
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| terje | but I'm not sure they're correct either. | 00:53 |
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| terje | #our $parenthesis = qr /\( # Start with '(', | 00:54 |
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| terje | my $parenthesis = qr /\( # Start with '(', | 00:54 |
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| terje | is that what your saying needs to be changed? | 00:54 |
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| crythias | and restart apache | 00:54 |
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| terje | ah | 00:54 |
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| terje | but that's not right either. | 00:55 |
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| crythias | *gasp* | 00:55 |
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| crythias | because now what? | 00:55 |
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| terje | heh | 00:55 |
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| crythias | different error? | 00:55 |
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| crythias | like... Gateway Interface not perl? | 00:55 |
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| * snapcount observes Mr Crythias... (Miss Cleo's cousin) | 00:56 |
| terje | well | 00:56 |
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| terje | how is restarting apache going ot affect a perl script I'm running from the command line I wonder? | 00:56 |
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| terje | effect, even :) | 00:57 |
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| crythias | beats me. what effect is it having? | 00:57 |
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| crythias | affect is verb, effect is noun. :) | 00:57 |
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| terje | heh | 00:57 |
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| terje | thanks for the correction. | 00:58 |
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| crythias | you were correct in your first instance. | 00:58 |
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| terje | I'm simply doing a perl -c on the Macro.pm module | 00:58 |
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| crythias | ah. | 00:58 |
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| crythias | good call, that. | 00:58 |
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| @snapcount | terje 2, crythias 1 | 00:58 |
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| crythias | you're doing it with -I /path/to/WebGUI/lib | 00:58 |
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| terje | changing our $parenthesis to my $parenthesis doesn't fix the problem | 00:58 |
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| terje | negative, I'm not even there yet. | 00:59 |
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| crythias | hrm. | 00:59 |
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| terje | here's what I'm seeing after the change: | 00:59 |
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| terje | [webgui@helo lib]$ perl -c WebGUI/Macro.pm | 00:59 |
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| terje | Global symbol "$parenthesis" requires explicit package name at (re_eval 6) line 2. | 00:59 |
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| terje | Compilation failed in regexp at WebGUI/Macro.pm line 54. | 00:59 |
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| terje | ya dig? | 01:00 |
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| crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/5.5.8/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm | 01:00 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/rbbwv | 01:00 |
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| crythias | that's your original | 01:01 |
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| crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/6.2.11-gamma/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Macro.pm | 01:01 |
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| crythias | that's probably close enough to what it should be | 01:01 |
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| @snapcount | Martin! | 01:01 |
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| @snapcount | I checked out SQLForm | 01:02 |
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| @snapcount | nice job | 01:02 |
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| MrHairgrease | thanks | 01:02 |
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| @snapcount | JT IMs me, "look at this" | 01:02 |
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| terje | hurah[webgui@helo lib]$ perl -c WebGUI.pm | 01:02 |
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| terje | WebGUI.pm syntax OK | 01:02 |
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| terje | thanks crythias! | 01:02 |
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| @snapcount | so I look, and it's your form | 01:02 |
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| crythias | my form? | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | then he's like "what do you think" | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | no | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | SQLForm demo | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | so I play | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | and I'm like | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | this fucking rules | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | so he asks, "should we put it in core" | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | and I say, "does the code suck, can we maintain it" | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | and he's like | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | code looks good | 01:03 |
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| @snapcount | the rest is history | 01:04 |
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| crythias | I can't guarantee 6.2.11 macro.pm is drop-in for 5.5.8 Macro.pm, terje | 01:04 |
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| * MrHairgrease remebers sombody stomping his feet on the floor: I want it now! I want it now! | 01:04 |
| crythias | You should diff them just to be sure. | 01:04 |
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| @snapcount | hehe | 01:04 |
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| MrHairgrease | wtf!?! | 01:04 |
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| MrHairgrease | you doubted my code? | 01:04 |
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| @snapcount | I doubt everyones code | 01:04 |
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| MrHairgrease | you'd better | 01:04 |
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| @snapcount | until I see it | 01:04 |
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| MrHairgrease | anyway | 01:05 |
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| MrHairgrease | a more ego related quetion | 01:05 |
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| MrHairgrease | question* | 01:05 |
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| MrHairgrease | where's this interview with me? | 01:05 |
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| MrHairgrease | I can't find it on wg,org | 01:05 |
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| @snapcount | all over half the known world | 01:05 |
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| crythias | Yeah, roy, where's the people behind webgui? | 01:05 |
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| @snapcount | can you not see it | 01:05 |
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| crythias | um ... not | 01:05 |
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| @snapcount | uh oh | 01:05 |
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| MrHairgrease | not that I'm that curious | 01:05 |
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| @snapcount | prolly set to admins | 01:06 |
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| @snapcount | shiza | 01:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | I know the answers already anyway =) | 01:06 |
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| terje | so, I've got what I hope is one last question .. | 01:08 |
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| terje | does this command: | 01:08 |
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| terje | mysql -e "grant all privileges on WebGUI.* to webgui@localhost identified by 'password'" | 01:08 |
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| terje | actually create the account for user webgui in mysql? | 01:08 |
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| terje | or does it simply grant access to webgui and I have to create that user account somehow? | 01:09 |
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| MrHairgrease | it also creates the account | 01:10 |
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| MrHairgrease | well sorta | 01:10 |
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| MrHairgrease | what you did should work anyway | 01:10 |
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| terje | hmm | 01:12 |
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| terje | I can see the webgui user account in mysql.user but still can't login using the stuff I set. | 01:12 |
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| terje | werid. | 01:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | can you do this: | 01:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | mysql -uwebgui -p WebGUI | 01:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | If you can log in with that | 01:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | the db is configured properly | 01:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | also is the tablename correct? | 01:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | mysql is case sensitive | 01:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | so webgui != WebGUI | 01:15 |
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| terje | right, I've figured that out | 01:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 01:15 |
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| terje | checking.. | 01:15 |
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| terje | ERROR 1044 (42000): Access denied for user 'webgui'@'localhost' to database 'WebGUI' | 01:16 |
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| @snapcount | there you are | 01:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | hmm | 01:16 |
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| @snapcount | thanks for pointing out my boo-boo | 01:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | that sucks | 01:16 |
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| terje | I'll have to update my pass and see if that helps. | 01:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | did you enter your password correctly in the grant clause | 01:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | roy | 01:16 |
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| terje | well, I thought I did :) | 01:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | you don't suck | 01:16 |
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| terje | do you know how to update that password? | 01:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | just do the grant again | 01:17 |
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| terje | oh ok | 01:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | that should work | 01:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | i think' | 01:17 |
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| crythias | if you're in 5.5.8 you'll need to make certain your dbi is uptodate | 01:17 |
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| * snapcount enjoys some little caesars pizza | 01:18 |
| @snapcount | mmm cheese Martin | 01:18 |
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| crythias | because mysql uses a different password mechanism | 01:18 |
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| * MrHairgrease pukes | 01:18 |
| MrHairgrease | yeah sure | 01:18 |
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| MrHairgrease | but using the mysql client should work | 01:18 |
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| crythias | might need to store under old password | 01:18 |
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| MrHairgrease | so if he cannot log in using that | 01:18 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's something else | 01:18 |
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| terje | ok MrHairgrease, I thin I'm good. | 01:19 |
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| terje | thanks! | 01:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | np | 01:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | roy | 01:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | I'm watching myself on the internet | 01:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | thank man | 01:19 |
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| @snapcount | huh | 01:20 |
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| terje | btw, I like the term 'Linuxish' | 01:20 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah | 01:20 |
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| MrHairgrease | probably to piss of osx users =) | 01:20 |
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| MrHairgrease | roy: the picture | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | yes | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | you're looking at it | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | ? | 01:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | of course | 01:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | calc narcism | 01:21 |
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| @WRE | No calc set for "narcism" | 01:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | crap | 01:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | no luck this time =) | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | calc urine | 01:21 |
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| @WRE | urine = <pb_M-Train> Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? | 01:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | how can you do that while you're eating | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | I'm done eating now | 01:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | matt's wife has an lasting impact on all of us | 01:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | i bet you are | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | calc marriage | 01:22 |
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| @WRE | marriage = <pbmdawg> my sister just got engaged <crythias> but you're already married... | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | that's the best one ever | 01:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | lol | 01:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | matt indeed does have all the good ones | 01:23 |
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| @snapcount | Martin, isn't it like 3am where you are | 01:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | no | 01:27 |
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| terje | oh man | 01:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's about 5 | 01:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | j/k | 01:27 |
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| @snapcount | in the morning!? | 01:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's 00:30ish | 01:27 |
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| terje | there are so many errors now when I hit it from a web browser | 01:27 |
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| terje | I can't believe this thing ever works. | 01:28 |
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| @snapcount | what "thing" | 01:28 |
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| terje | There's nothing about having writable permissions on different directories in the install file. | 01:28 |
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| @snapcount | the only dir that needs +w is uploads | 01:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | wg-root/www/uploads | 01:29 |
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| terje | WebGUI::Style::process('There is a syntax error in this template. Please correct.') called at /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 43 | 01:30 |
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| @snapcount | what? | 01:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | what version are you on? | 01:30 |
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| terje | and there's more.. | 01:30 |
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| terje | WebGUI::_generatePage('There is a syntax error in this template. Please correct.') called at /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm line 167 | 01:30 |
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| terje | WebGUI::page('/home/webgui/html/WebGUI', 'WebGUI.conf') called at /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/www/index.pl line 28 | 01:30 |
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| terje | Where's the version number? | 01:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | did you run wg-root/sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 01:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | ? | 01:30 |
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| terje | yes, it run's fine. | 01:31 |
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| terje | Latest version ........................... You are using 6.1.1 and 6.8.7-gamma is available. | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | at the top of WebGUI.pm | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | whoa | 01:31 |
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| terje | is that my problem? | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | holy hell man | 01:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's kinda ancient | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | hard to say | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | but that's really old | 01:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | you should try 6.7.x | 01:32 |
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| terje | with a name like -gamma I figured it was not ready for production. | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | if you go past 6.7 you'll need MP2 | 01:32 |
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| terje | MP2? | 01:32 |
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| terje | oh | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | mod-perl2 | 01:32 |
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| terje | mod_perl | 01:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | gamma = stable | 01:32 |
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| terje | yea, ok, so what version do you recommend then? | 01:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | only the api can change | 01:32 |
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| terje | i gotcha | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | the latest 6.7 | 01:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | what he says | 01:32 |
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| terje | cool, thanks for your patience guys. | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | unless you want to reconfigure your environment | 01:33 |
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| terje | nah, lemme give that a shot. | 01:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | and compile stuff by hand | 01:33 |
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| terje | tomorrow! | 01:33 |
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| terje | I'm out for now. | 01:33 |
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| terje | thanks again. | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | sure thing | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | oy! | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | oy! oy! | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | !seen perlDreamer | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | !lastSeen perlDreamer | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | damn it | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | can't remember cmds for my own bot | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | !lastSpoke perlDreamer | 01:34 |
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| * snapcount scratches his head with a stary gaze | 01:35 |
| terje | has the database schema changed since 6.1.1 ? | 01:35 |
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| terje | should I just drop it and re-create it? | 01:35 |
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| @snapcount | oh yeah | 01:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | drop and re-recte | 01:36 |
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| terje | werd.. tomorrow then. | 01:36 |
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| terje | later. | 01:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | !seen perldreamer | 01:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | laters | 01:37 |
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| @snapcount | my seen script no workie | 01:38 |
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| @snapcount | or PEBCAK | 01:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | not me | 01:38 |
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| @snapcount | !lastSpoke crythias | 01:38 |
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| @WRE | crythias last uttered a word on #webgui 20 minutes ago. | 01:38 |
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| @snapcount | !last perlDreamer | 01:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | I saw crythias do a seen command on matt | 01:38 |
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| @snapcount | !lastSeen perlDreamer | 01:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | it should be !seen | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | !seen fucker | 01:39 |
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| @WRE | snapcount, I don't remember seeing fucker. | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | hey | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | !seen perlDreamer | 01:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | !seen a threeheaded monkey | 01:39 |
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| @WRE | MrHairgrease, I don't remember seeing a. | 01:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | that's a shame | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | so it works for people that don't exist | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | nice | 01:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | !seen pbmdawg | 01:39 |
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| @WRE | pbmdawg (n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com) was last seen parting #WebGUI 20 hours, 46 minutes ago stating "{}". | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | oh I know why | 01:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | !seen mrhairgrease | 01:40 |
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| @WRE | MrHairgrease, go look in a mirror. | 01:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | heh | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | haha | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | tis b/c the bot knows you guys | 01:40 |
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| * MrHairgrease click on that beautiful picture again | 01:40 |
| @snapcount | it won't track ppl he don't knoweth | 01:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | a waste it iseth | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | I'll have to introduce them | 01:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | you do that | 01:41 |
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| crythias | !seen a_three-toed_sloth | 01:52 |
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| MrHairgrease | later guys | 01:52 |
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| crythias | I'm ignored by wre | 01:52 |
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| crythias | hah | 01:52 |
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| MrHairgrease | quit | 01:53 |
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| @snapcount | do you know anything about eggdrop crythias | 01:55 |
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| crythias | makes great soup | 01:55 |
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| @snapcount | aside from that? | 01:55 |
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| crythias | sorry. no. :( At last you have come upon the limits of my knowledge :) | 01:56 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 01:56 |
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| @snapcount | you should read up on it | 01:58 |
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| @snapcount | I'll give you access to the party line | 01:59 |
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| @snapcount | give you more privs | 01:59 |
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| @snapcount | fun stuff | 01:59 |
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| crythias | heh $7 alcy free beers | 02:05 |
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| @snapcount | I found that funny as well | 02:10 |
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| crythias | SideBy Google is my new fried. | 02:19 |
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| crythias | friend. | 02:19 |
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| nbcccor1 | hey, do any of you have any experience running Jabber or any other IM server? | 16:50 |
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| @snapcount | I logged into a jabber server yesterday | 16:54 |
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| @snapcount | does that count? | 16:54 |
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| nbcccor2 | not really. | 17:27 |
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| @snapcount | I figured | 17:27 |
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| nbcccor2 | is my name showing as nbcccor2? | 17:27 |
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| @snapcount | yep | 17:27 |
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| @snapcount | <-- look here | 17:27 |
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| @snapcount | =) | 17:27 |
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| nbcccor2 | it seems that gaim has some form of "undocumented learning opportunity". | 17:28 |
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| nbcccor2 | because it increments that number when I re-open the chat window. | 17:28 |
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| nbcccor2 | my name should be nbcccorp | 17:28 |
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| @snapcount | can you issue commands? | 17:29 |
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| @snapcount | ie /stuff | 17:29 |
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| nbcccor2 | yeah but nobody listens. | 17:29 |
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| @snapcount | try /nick dr_evil | 17:29 |
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| -!- snapcount is now known as osama | 17:30 |
| -!- nbcccor2 is now known as dr_evi1 | 17:30 |
| dr_evi1 | wow | 17:30 |
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| dr_evi1 | it's changing the last char to a number | 17:30 |
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| -!- osama is now known as dumb3y | 17:30 |
| -!- dr_evi1 is now known as abcdef | 17:30 |
| -!- dumb3y is now known as snapcount | 17:30 |
| -!- abcdef is now known as nbcccor1 | 17:30 |
| @snapcount | that's weird | 17:31 |
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| nbcccor1 | I agree | 17:31 |
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| @snapcount | I have 0 bytes of knowledge re: gaim | 17:31 |
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| @snapcount | not even a bit | 17:31 |
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| * snapcount slaps knee | 17:31 |
| nbcccor1 | hee | 17:32 |
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| @snapcount | grep snapcount > /dev/null 2>/dev/null | 17:32 |
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| nbcccor1 | and to think, other people actually PAY for comedy | 17:32 |
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| @snapcount | don't forget the 2 | 17:33 |
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| @snapcount | most of my output goes to STDERR | 17:33 |
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| nbcccor1 | oh... so your married. | 17:33 |
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| @snapcount | no | 17:33 |
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| @snapcount | but that's funny | 17:33 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 17:33 |
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| terje | hi guys, I'm back. | 19:05 |
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| terje | having much success with the later version. | 19:05 |
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| terje | I think I'm having trouble getting my dsn right in the config file. | 19:06 |
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| terje | does this look right: dsn = DBI:mysql:host=localhost | 19:06 |
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| terje | eh, that's not what I meant. | 19:08 |
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| terje | ok, so I have the DSN right I think.. | 19:11 |
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| terje | but I'm getting this error: | 19:11 |
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| terje | Can't connect to data source , no database driver specified and DBI_DSN env var not set at /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 313 | 19:12 |
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| terje | from my browser.. | 19:12 |
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| terje | any ideas? | 19:12 |
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| crythias | yeah. check preload.perl | 19:12 |
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| terje | cool, thanks. | 19:12 |
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| crythias | make sure it knows data dir of webgui | 19:12 |
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| crythias | Matt! | 19:22 |
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| terje | ok | 19:34 |
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| terje | that was an issue.. | 19:34 |
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| terje | and I've fixed it.. and restart apache.. same error msg. | 19:35 |
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| terje | when apache starts it tells me it's loading WebGUI and the correct config file, etc. | 19:35 |
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| terje | not sure where to check next. | 19:35 |
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| crythias | like I'm telling someone else, you're going to absolutely hate yourself when 7 comes out. | 19:36 |
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| terje | lol | 19:37 |
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| crythias | because all this problem with 5.5.8... you're going to have to go through about 5 upgrades to get to 7. | 19:37 |
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| terje | I consider myself a pretty savy linux admin | 19:37 |
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| terje | dude, I'll just reinstall from scratch. | 19:37 |
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| crythias | hee | 19:37 |
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| crythias | That's funny. | 19:37 |
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| terje | that's just how I roll. | 19:38 |
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| terje | =) | 19:38 |
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| terje | so any more suggestions as to the cause and solution to, my problem? | 19:38 |
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| terje | brb, need coffee. | 19:38 |
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| crythias | if you can use mysql -u user -p password database and connect with the values in your webgui.conf... | 19:39 |
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| crythias | that helps. | 19:40 |
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| crythias | but I'm reasonably certain that your problem is related to DBI-mysql not matching mysql 4.1+ | 19:40 |
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| terje | I can connect using mysql -u ... database | 19:44 |
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| terje | let's check the DBI-mysql version, thanks. | 19:44 |
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| terje | is there a really simply test.pl I can do to see if that's the issue? | 19:50 |
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| terje | hmm.. | 20:11 |
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| terje | well I have a test script that uses DBI and I can connect to the WebGUI DB just fine. | 20:12 |
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| * terje scratches head | 20:12 |
| terje | do I need to modify this in www/index.pl | 20:19 |
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| terje | $configFile = "WebGUI.conf"; | 20:19 |
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| terje | to match the config file I created? | 20:19 |
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| pbmdawg | yes | 20:20 |
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| terje | ok, I'm pretty close now. | 20:37 |
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| terje | =) | 20:37 |
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| terje | dang man | 20:45 |
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| terje | so close yet so far. | 20:45 |
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| terje | I know I'm being needy | 20:46 |
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| terje | here's what I'm getting now.. | 20:46 |
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| terje | if I perl www/index.pl - works great | 20:46 |
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| terje | if I | 20:46 |
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| terje | [webgui@helo etc]$ GET http://webgui/WebGUI/www/index.pl | 20:46 |
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| terje | 500 Server closed connection without sending any data back | 20:46 |
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| terje | and the error in my log file is | 20:46 |
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| terje | failed to resolve handler WebGUI | 20:46 |
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| terje | I've checked my virtual host container and it seems to match the install document's instructions. | 20:47 |
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| pbmdawg | which install document are you using | 20:54 |
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| terje | http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui | 20:54 |
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| @WRE | <terje> http://tinyurl.com/4baaa | 20:54 |
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| terje | I think it's got something to do w/ PerlInitHandler WebGUI | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah. | 20:57 |
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| pbmdawg | in your preload.perl | 20:57 |
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| pbmdawg | does it use the path that WebGUI.pm is in? | 20:58 |
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| terje | I believe so | 20:59 |
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| terje | it's set to | 20:59 |
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| terje | $webguiRoot = "/home/webgui/html/WebGUI"; | 20:59 |
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| pbmdawg | but does it "use" that path | 20:59 |
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| pbmdawg | err | 20:59 |
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| terje | shoudl that be /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/lib ? | 20:59 |
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| pbmdawg | possibly | 20:59 |
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| pbmdawg | I don't know where you put your lib files | 21:00 |
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| terje | ok | 21:00 |
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| pbmdawg | wait | 21:00 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 21:00 |
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| pbmdawg | what are the files/dirs under /home/webgui/html/ | 21:00 |
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| terje | just WebGUI | 21:00 |
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| pbmdawg | What's under that dir | 21:01 |
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| terje | docs etc lib sbin test.pl www | 21:01 |
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| pbmdawg | ok | 21:01 |
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| pbmdawg | in your apache.conf | 21:01 |
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| pbmdawg | PerlRequire /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl | 21:01 |
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| pbmdawg | do you have that above your vhost? | 21:01 |
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| terje | [webgui@helo WebGUI]$ grep PerlRequire /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf | 21:02 |
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| terje | PerlRequire /home/webgui/html/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl | 21:02 |
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| pbmdawg | and it's above the vhost? | 21:02 |
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| pbmdawg | above the virtual host in the conf file, I mean | 21:07 |
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| pbmdawg | and what is PerlSetVar WebguiRoot set to | 21:08 |
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| terje | actually it's not. | 21:12 |
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| terje | that is, it's not in the vhost container | 21:12 |
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| terje | but the instructions don't say to put one in there. | 21:12 |
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| pbmdawg | I was asking it if was above the vhost, not in it | 21:12 |
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| terje | oh | 21:12 |
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| terje | yes, it's above the vhost | 21:12 |
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| terje | way above the vhost though | 21:13 |
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| terje | near the load module section | 21:13 |
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| terje | I'll move it down. | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | what about the PerlSetVar | 21:13 |
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| terje | PerlSetVar is set to the name of my config file in etc/ | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | that's in the vhost, right? | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | I mean the PerlSetVar WebguiRoot | 21:14 |
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| terje | yes | 21:15 |
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| pbmdawg | what's WebguiRoot set to (above the vhost) | 21:15 |
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| terje | PerlSetVar WebguiRoot /home/webgui/html/WebGUI | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | hrm | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | Apache can't find WebGUI.pm | 21:27 |
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| pbmdawg | but it should be able to find it if preload.perl is being loaded successfully | 21:28 |
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| pbmdawg | this is 6.8.7, right? | 21:28 |
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| @snapcount | wow | 21:55 |
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| @snapcount | looks like you guys are having a blast | 21:55 |
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| @snapcount | I love it when clients cancel login support requests | 21:57 |
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| @snapcount | it's like an early birthday present | 21:57 |
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| crythias | can't use installing_webgui for 558 | 22:37 |
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| crythias | read the docs in docs | 22:37 |
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| @snapcount | my god, I can't believe it | 22:43 |
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| pbmdawg | ? | 22:43 |
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| @snapcount | I actually have time to write code now! | 22:43 |
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| @snapcount | yipee | 22:43 |
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| * snapcount switches back to head | 22:43 |
| @snapcount | someone cue up the KnightRider theme song | 22:44 |
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| @snapcount | "hello, michael" | 22:44 |
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| crythias | ... a man who does not exist. | 22:44 |
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| @snapcount | I never did get the physics behind him driving the car onto the semi | 22:45 |
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| @snapcount | but I guess they are both going about the same speed | 22:45 |
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| @snapcount | for some reason it would seem to me that upon entry into the trailer the do vectors would combine and he would drive into the cab at 60mph | 22:47 |
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| @snapcount | s/do/two | 22:47 |
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| crythias | http://web.archive.org/web/20050401071703/http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui | 22:47 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/rcbyt | 22:47 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 22:47 |
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| crythias | what? | 22:47 |
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| @snapcount | maybe | 22:47 |
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| @snapcount | yes | 22:48 |
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| @snapcount | sometimes | 22:48 |
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| crythias | perhaps | 22:48 |
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| @snapcount | possibly | 22:48 |
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| @snapcount | pbmdawg: what are you no'ing about | 22:48 |
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| pbmdawg | as long as the firebird is rear wheel drive, he can drive up the semi ramp; he just has to put the car out of gear before the rear wheels touch the ramp | 22:48 |
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| * crythias gazes into the 8 ball: 8-ball: Um. Why bother asking me? I'm not sentient. | 22:48 |
| @snapcount | yes, but if the tires hit the ramp | 22:49 |
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| @snapcount | I am correct? | 22:49 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 22:49 |
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| crythias | front wheel drive shouldn't be a problem. | 22:49 |
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| crythias | not if brakes function, anyway. | 22:50 |
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| @snapcount | 60 -> 0 in 52 ft | 22:50 |
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| @snapcount | good breaks | 22:50 |
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| @snapcount | and that's a big trailer | 22:50 |
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| @snapcount | and a perfect reaction time | 22:50 |
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| @snapcount | I say he parks it in the cab | 22:50 |
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| crythias | While rear wheels are on the ground, car moves at car rate or drag rate. | 22:51 |
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| crythias | vectors are in the same direction, anyway. | 22:51 |
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| @snapcount | ok | 22:52 |
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| @snapcount | so riddle me this | 22:52 |
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| @snapcount | you drop a baseball into a pitching machine | 22:52 |
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| @snapcount | what's the difference | 22:52 |
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| crythias | acceleration | 22:52 |
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| @snapcount | ok | 22:52 |
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| @snapcount | so put the pitching machine in a truck | 22:52 |
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| pbmdawg | he's not going from 60 to 0 | 22:52 |
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| pbmdawg | he's going from 60 to 55 | 22:52 |
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| pbmdawg | if the truck is at 55 | 22:53 |
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| @snapcount | good call | 22:53 |
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| pbmdawg | only the wheels have to slow down their rotation. | 22:53 |
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| pbmdawg | which is why he must push in the clutch | 22:53 |
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| crythias | http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/dec96/849218944.Ph.r.html | 22:53 |
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| pbmdawg | or else break his transmission | 22:53 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/ockqu | 22:53 |
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| @snapcount | we need to do an experiment | 22:53 |
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| @snapcount | sounds like a job for the myth busters! | 22:53 |
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| pbmdawg | that post is totally wrong | 22:54 |
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| crythias | because? | 22:56 |
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| crythias | http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/browse_frm/thread/fa4309fe4d736015/a06b000140c520ee?tvc=1&q=knight+rider+car+semi&hl=en#a06b000140c520ee | 22:57 |
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| @snapcount | sounds right to me | 22:57 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/mdte2 | 22:57 |
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| crythias | the car is going 5 mph faster than the semi relative to road | 22:58 |
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| pbmdawg | the wheels have to slow down from 60mph to 5mph | 22:58 |
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| pbmdawg | but that happens all the time, with good brakes. | 22:58 |
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| pbmdawg | you can easily lock your tires while travelling at 60 | 22:59 |
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| pbmdawg | if you don't have ABS | 22:59 |
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| pbmdawg | so that's not an issue | 22:59 |
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| @snapcount | but you have 50 ft | 22:59 |
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| @snapcount | tops | 22:59 |
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| pbmdawg | what is an issue is if the car has *enough* inertia to get up the ramp | 22:59 |
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| @snapcount | but relative to the road matters not | 23:00 |
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| @snapcount | once the car is traveling 50 inside the semi | 23:00 |
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| @snapcount | then it's car relative to semi | 23:01 |
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| * snapcount phones Adam Savage | 23:01 |
| @snapcount | "we need a semi and knight rider... yes, we need them now" | 23:01 |
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| @snapcount | that would be a good episode | 23:02 |
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| pbmdawg | actually the 2nd half of that post is correct | 23:03 |
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| crythias | KNIGHT INDUSTRIES TWO THOUSAND | 23:03 |
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| crythias | ------------------------------ | 23:03 |
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| crythias | VEHICLE TYPE: Front engine, rear wheel drive, two | 23:03 |
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| crythias | passenger, two door coupe | 23:03 |
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| crythias | from official faq | 23:03 |
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| * pbmdawg gets back to work | 23:04 |
| * pbmdawg excuses himself to barf | 23:10 |
| * snapcount fires up vmare and dreams of 7.0 | 23:14 |
| pbmdawg | I'm almost done with my vmware appliance: WebGUIdev | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | excelllent | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | what is a vmware appliance? | 23:15 |
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| pbmdawg | 330MB compressed | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | gimmie a link | 23:15 |
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| pbmdawg | http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/challenge/ | 23:15 |
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| @WRE | <pbmdawg> http://tinyurl.com/qmd3g | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | hey you guys want to hear a joke | 23:15 |
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| @snapcount | why are redneck murders so hard to solve? | 23:16 |
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| @snapcount | because there are usually no teeth and all the dna is the same | 23:16 |
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| * snapcount slaps his knee and chuckles | 23:16 |
| pbmdawg | I'm also making a firewall appliance and an email filtering appliance | 23:17 |
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| crythias | Knight Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous world of a man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless in a world of criminals who operate above the law. | 23:30 |
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| @snapcount | don't forget the cousin of knight rider | 23:31 |
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| @snapcount | and possibly an even better show | 23:31 |
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| @snapcount | same time period | 23:31 |
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| @snapcount | any guesses? | 23:31 |
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| pbmdawg | voltron? | 23:31 |
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| crythias | street hawk | 23:32 |
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| pbmdawg | Airwolf | 23:32 |
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| @snapcount | ding ding ding | 23:32 |
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| @snapcount | Airwolf was the shiznet | 23:32 |
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| crythias | awe | 23:32 |
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| crythias | Street Hawk was cool | 23:32 |
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| @snapcount | voltron was also a good guess | 23:32 |
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| crythias | A-Team | 23:32 |
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| @snapcount | yes | 23:32 |
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| crythias | Blue Thunder | 23:33 |
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| @snapcount | you need to leave now | 23:33 |
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| pbmdawg | Matlock | 23:33 |
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| crythias | Powers of Matthew Star | 23:33 |
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| crythias | rr | 23:33 |
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| pbmdawg | Miami Vice | 23:33 |
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| crythias | Starman | 23:33 |
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| @snapcount | ooh ooh | 23:33 |
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| pbmdawg | Magnum PI | 23:33 |
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| @snapcount | speaking of rr | 23:33 |
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| @snapcount | we're getting bumped up tonight | 23:33 |
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| crythias | The Greatest American Hero | 23:33 |
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| @snapcount | more speed | 23:33 |
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| pbmdawg | ? | 23:34 |
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| @snapcount | if I pay them $$ I can get 10Mbps | 23:34 |
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| pbmdawg | heh | 23:34 |
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| @snapcount | everyone is getting 7Mbps as the std package | 23:34 |
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| * pbmdawg has GigE metropolitan-area-network connection | 23:34 |
| pbmdawg | (in his dreams) | 23:34 |
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| @snapcount | shit... I think my dog is on catnip again | 23:35 |
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| * pbmdawg runs off to import some phone extensions. | 23:35 |
| * crythias sits on his OC48 pipe. awe, yeah. | 23:35 |
| @snapcount | that's a big pipe | 23:35 |
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| @snapcount | my sb server had oc48 | 23:35 |
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| crythias | smoke em if you got em | 23:35 |
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| @snapcount | It's gone as of today | 23:35 |
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| @snapcount | sniffle | 23:36 |
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| pbmdawg | mine is live for another few weeks. | 23:36 |
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| pbmdawg | my 1 remaining out of the 4, I mean. | 23:37 |
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| crythias | snapcount's KR problem has the car going 120mph.. the other views are that KR stalls | 23:37 |
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| pbmdawg | My view is that KR stalls or the transmission breaks; one of those :) | 23:37 |
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| @snapcount | yes but that is due to limitations of the carr | 23:37 |
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| @snapcount | if the car could take it, caterus parebus, the semi-drive would have a firebird up his ass asking for Micahael | 23:38 |
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| crythias | Manual transmission is great: drop clutch. | 23:38 |
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| crythias | ok. what if instead there was a wench pulling the car up? | 23:39 |
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| crythias | not that this is the case.. | 23:40 |
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| @snapcount | that would be fine | 23:40 |
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| crythias | how fast would the wench be pulling the car? | 23:40 |
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| @snapcount | relative to? | 23:40 |
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| crythias | the ground | 23:40 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah, I think that realistically, it would need something to pull it up, unless he approaches the semi in 2nd gear, but puts it in gear as soon as the rear wheels slow down to carVsRamp speed | 23:41 |
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| @snapcount | wench speed + semi speed | 23:41 |
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| @snapcount | and as soon as the car is on semi entirely | 23:41 |
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| @snapcount | just the wench speed | 23:42 |
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| crythias | what's the difference between wench pulling and car driving? | 23:42 |
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| @snapcount | the wench is attached to the truck | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | BWAHAHA | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | calc wench a young girl | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | calc winch a motorized cable-puller | 23:42 |
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| crythias | Depends on your characterization of Bonnie, I guess :) | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | calc wench | 23:43 |
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| @WRE | wench = a young girl | 23:43 |
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| crythias | hee | 23:43 |
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| crythias | oops. | 23:44 |
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| crythias | btw. gotta go. Be for my son's birthday | 23:44 |
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| @snapcount | did you guys hear the one about the pirate who walked into the bar with a steering wheel sticking out of his crotch? | 23:44 |
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| pbmdawg | he needed someone to turn hiim on? | 23:44 |
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| @snapcount | bartender: wtf is that? a steering wheel? | 23:44 |
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| crythias | on Robot Chicken. | 23:44 |
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| @snapcount | pirate: yarrr, tis drivin' me nuts | 23:45 |
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| crythias | What does Soylent Green taste like? Varies from person to person. | 23:45 |
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| crythias | l8rness | 23:47 |
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| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 23:47 |
| @snapcount | whoa | 23:48 |
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| @snapcount | all of the admin bars in head are empty | 23:48 |
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| --- Day changed Fri Mar 03 2006 |
| pbmdawg | /Roy empties the bars | 00:13 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 00:14 |
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| @snapcount | JT forgot to commit the new template | 00:15 |
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| @snapcount | hey I got this vmware img from you | 00:15 |
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| @snapcount | if you run setenvironment in /data/wre/etc | 00:15 |
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| @snapcount | and try to use svn | 00:15 |
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| @snapcount | does it puke? | 00:15 |
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| pbmdawg | huh | 00:15 |
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| @snapcount | on your cent-os vmware image | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | I didn't give you an image | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | you made it | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | no I didn't | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | I got it from you at JT's | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | I copied it from your computer | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | I didn't think so | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | it uses my passwords | 00:17 |
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| pbmdawg | and I wouldn't have givne you my passwords | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | maybe it's jt's image | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | cuz it's using pb passwords | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | anyways | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | try running /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | then using svn | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | it's fucking annoying b/c i have to open a new shell that's not using wre env vars to use svn | 00:18 |
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| @snapcount | linkin park is so great | 00:19 |
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| @snapcount | dedede | 00:26 |
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| @snapcount | ...I'm in love wit a strippa | 00:26 |
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| @snapcount | drop it low | 00:26 |
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| terje | eh, I'm back again | 00:58 |
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| terje | <pbmdawg> but it should be able to find it if preload.perl is being loaded successfully | 00:59 |
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| terje | yes, preload.perl is being found correctly | 00:59 |
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| terje | and it's able to load WebGUI.pm | 00:59 |
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| terje | [webgui@helo WebGUI]$ perl -c sbin/preload.perl | 01:00 |
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| terje | sbin/preload.perl syntax OK | 01:00 |
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| terje | so if anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears. | 01:00 |
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| terje | I'll keep fiddling w/ it. | 01:00 |
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| @snapcount | http://www.local6.com/news/7543710/detail.html | 01:00 |
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| @WRE | <snapcount> http://tinyurl.com/gp7ez | 01:00 |
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| pbmdawg | terje | 01:01 |
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| terje | yo | 01:01 |
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| pbmdawg | you cannot use those intall instructions you are using with webgui 5.5.8 | 01:01 |
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| pbmdawg | those are for 6.8+ | 01:01 |
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| terje | no, I'm not using 5.5.8 | 01:01 |
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| pbmdawg | oh; what version | 01:01 |
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| terje | I'm using 6.7-gammaa | 01:01 |
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| pbmdawg | can't use those install instructions with 6.7 | 01:01 |
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| terje | oh really? | 01:02 |
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| pbmdawg | yes really | 01:02 |
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| terje | the install.txt file says to use those.. | 01:02 |
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| terje | What is the current stable version? | 01:02 |
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| pbmdawg | 6.8.7 | 01:02 |
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| terje | alrighty. | 01:03 |
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| terje | I'm starting over with that src. | 01:03 |
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| terje | thanks. | 01:03 |
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| pbmdawg | you don't need to start over | 01:03 |
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| pbmdawg | just delete the /WebGUI dir and copy 6.8.7 there | 01:03 |
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| pbmdawg | the rest of your setup is fine | 01:03 |
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| pbmdawg | you don't need index.pl in 6.8, btw' | 01:04 |
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| terje | ok | 01:04 |
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| pbmdawg | then of course load the new create.sql | 01:07 |
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| terje | k | 01:08 |
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| terje | this is going much more smoothly :P | 01:13 |
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| @snapcount | mmm smoothies | 01:15 |
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| pbmdawg | well I either found a bug in Data::Dumper or something else is seriously wrong | 01:17 |
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| pbmdawg | $VAR1 = [ | 01:17 |
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| pbmdawg | 'userId', | 01:17 |
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| pbmdawg | ' 'internalExtension | 01:17 |
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| pbmdawg | ]; | 01:17 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 01:18 |
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| pbmdawg | but the bad part is | 01:18 |
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| pbmdawg | foreach (@$VAR1) { print $_ } | 01:18 |
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| pbmdawg | only returns 'userId' | 01:18 |
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| @snapcount | does it do if you use something besides the default var | 01:19 |
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| pbmdawg | same | 01:19 |
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| @snapcount | foreach my $var (@$VAR1) { print $var } | 01:19 |
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| pbmdawg | same | 01:19 |
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| @snapcount | what is $VAR1 | 01:20 |
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| @snapcount | hash ref | 01:20 |
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| pbmdawg | array ref | 01:20 |
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| @snapcount | with one element | 01:20 |
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| pbmdawg | 2 | 01:20 |
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| @snapcount | what are the elements, scalars? | 01:20 |
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| pbmdawg | yes | 01:20 |
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| pbmdawg | supposed to be userId and internalExtension | 01:20 |
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| @snapcount | that's a pretty simple structure | 01:20 |
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| pbmdawg | you'd think. | 01:21 |
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| @snapcount | so dumper is reporting data that doesn't exist in the array? | 01:21 |
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| pbmdawg | dumper is reporting data that is supposed to exist | 01:21 |
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| pbmdawg | but that doesn't exist when I do foreach | 01:21 |
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| pbmdawg | but dumper has that apostrophe in a weird place | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | and why is that a data dumper problem? | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | ahh | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | I see that now | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | I bet your structure is fucked up | 01:22 |
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| @snapcount | how is that array ref built | 01:22 |
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| pbmdawg | badly/wrongly, probably. | 01:23 |
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| @snapcount | thats a lot of *ly's | 01:23 |
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| @snapcount | !bash | 01:23 |
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| @WRE | |bash 76905| <jjwalker> he was right, our mom is a weirdo...I went to go play laser tag, and I didn't tell her where I was going...and when I walked in just now she fucking assaulted my ass...with fists | 01:23 |
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| @WRE | |bash 76905| <jjwalker> then she threw a book at me 0_o | 01:23 |
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| @WRE | |bash 76905| <_seb_> damn man she anally fisted you? | 01:23 |
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| @WRE | |bash 76905| <_seb_> that sucks | 01:23 |
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| @WRE | |bash 76905| <_seb_> must have hurt | 01:23 |
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| @snapcount | that's rather disturbing | 01:24 |
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| @snapcount | dude | 01:25 |
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| @snapcount | someone broke my shiznet | 01:25 |
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| @snapcount | Couldn't call method addToCart on asset for url: home/untitled Root cause: Can't locate object method "user" via package "Asset_EventManagementSystem" (perhaps you forgot to load "Asset_EventManagementSystem"?) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm line 78. | 01:25 |
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| @snapcount | what. the. hell. | 01:25 |
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| * snapcount get's out the light saber | 01:25 |
| pbmdawg | hum | 01:26 |
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| pbmdawg | that might be a bug in perl | 01:26 |
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| pbmdawg | I changed it to use push | 01:26 |
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| pbmdawg | and it started working correctly | 01:26 |
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| @snapcount | ah ssss push it, push it real good | 01:26 |
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| pbmdawg | mruhaha. it is a bug in perl | 01:27 |
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| @snapcount | are you using version 2 | 01:27 |
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| @snapcount | I need to get some new 'shoes' for my ride | 01:27 |
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| pbmdawg | if you put a scalar with an LF as the last char of the scalar into an array, that item in the array is ignored and read incorrectly. | 01:28 |
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| @snapcount | did you write a simple script to dup it | 01:28 |
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| @snapcount | outside of wg | 01:28 |
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| pbmdawg | no but I can | 01:28 |
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| @snapcount | I would | 01:28 |
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| pbmdawg | this is a script that's not in wg | 01:29 |
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| @snapcount | the simple part is the important part | 01:29 |
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| pbmdawg | this stuff happens before a wg session is even created. | 01:29 |
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| @snapcount | no perl developer is going to look into this unless you can dup it with like two lines of code | 01:30 |
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| pbmdawg | I know | 01:30 |
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| @snapcount | that would be pretty sweet if you found a bug in perl | 01:30 |
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| @snapcount | pbmdawg++ | 01:30 |
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| pbmdawg | buffer overflow here we come | 01:31 |
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| terje | so I've installed mod_perl as an RPM on FC4 but the perl modules are asking for it's src.. and apache's src code. | 01:31 |
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| pbmdawg | roy can you help terje | 01:31 |
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| terje | this has been a rough exercise for poor terje. | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | why don't you just use the wre | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | it's much easier | 01:31 |
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| terje | I guess because I don't know what that is. | 01:31 |
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| terje | :( | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | all of this stuff is already compiled for you | 01:31 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | shiza | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | calc wre | 01:32 |
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| @WRE | wre = WebGUI Runtime Environment | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | it has all this crap pre-compiled and configured | 01:32 |
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| terje | lordy | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | it's on sf.net | 01:32 |
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| * terje googles WebGUI Runtime Environment | 01:32 |
| terje | is there an FC4 version? | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | www.sf.net/projects/pbwebgui | 01:32 |
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| @snapcount | there's an fc version that will get you close enough | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | you want 0.6.x | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | for WG versions 6.8.+ | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | download the source | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | and the prereqs tarball | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | actually | 01:33 |
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| @snapcount | you don't even need those | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | that's only if you want to compile yourself | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | sigh | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | I'll go look | 01:34 |
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| * pbmdawg pokes roy for giving bad advice | 01:34 |
| @snapcount | and stop being lazy | 01:34 |
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| terje | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=51417&package_id=148913 | 01:34 |
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| @WRE | <terje> http://tinyurl.com/rtvl4 | 01:34 |
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| @snapcount | try the one for rhel4 | 01:35 |
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| @snapcount | that should work fine | 01:35 |
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| @snapcount | I need to setup an FC server and make a wre binary for it | 01:36 |
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| @snapcount | If I could only do it without having to do anything... | 01:37 |
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| * snapcount ponders | 01:37 |
| terje | lol | 01:37 |
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| terje | use my machine | 01:37 |
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| terje | you can install it for me while you're at it. | 01:37 |
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| terje | I've been at this 2 days now. | 01:37 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 01:37 |
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| terje | :( | 01:37 |
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| pbmdawg | roy: not a bad idea | 01:37 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 01:37 |
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| pbmdawg | I have all the fc4 cds downloaded so I could do it in a vm | 01:37 |
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| pbmdawg | but not tonight | 01:37 |
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| @snapcount | I'm sure that one would go over great with the HNIC | 01:37 |
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| pbmdawg | terje: do you have all the latest patches | 01:38 |
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| terje | OS patches? | 01:38 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah | 01:39 |
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| terje | yes | 01:39 |
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| terje | but this system is a mess now | 01:39 |
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| pbmdawg | FC4 has been for what, 9 months? | 01:39 |
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| pbmdawg | out | 01:39 |
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| pbmdawg | 1 year? | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | abort | 01:39 |
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| @snapcount | abort | 01:39 |
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| terje | I think longer | 01:39 |
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| terje | yea, I think I'll reinstall the OS before trying this | 01:40 |
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| terje | there's all kinds of perl mods and packages I probably don't need (from webgui 6.1.1) | 01:40 |
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| -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] | 01:40 |
| @snapcount | terje: here's the deal | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | that binary sucketh | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | and won't work on FC4 | 01:40 |
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| @snapcount | however | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | I have good news | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | you can compile it all yourself | 01:41 |
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| terje | i could use some | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | and it will work fine | 01:41 |
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| terje | dude | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | all the shit you need | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | is in the package | 01:41 |
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| terje | there's a ridiculous amound of dependancies | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | you just have to build it | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | it's all in there | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | that's the whole point | 01:41 |
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| terje | how about you bake an FC4 binary and I install that | 01:41 |
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| terje | :) | 01:41 |
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| @snapcount | I could do that | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | do you want me to? | 01:42 |
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| terje | I would love that. | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | you know what | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | I will | 01:42 |
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| terje | hurrah | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | a lot of people have asked | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | it should be there tommorow | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | or late tonight | 01:42 |
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| terje | I'm your new friend. | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 01:42 |
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| terje | ok, I'll wait for it. | 01:42 |
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| terje | I have some much other stuff to do now. | 01:42 |
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| terje | thanks man. | 01:42 |
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| @snapcount | the checks in the mail ;=) | 01:42 |
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| terje | right "no go away terje and never bother us again" | 01:43 |
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| @snapcount | nah | 01:43 |
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| @snapcount | if you were an idiot maybe | 01:43 |
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| @snapcount | then I'd just kick you | 01:43 |
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| @snapcount | webgui is a beeotch for even the best sysadmins | 01:43 |
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| @snapcount | we're trying to improve on that | 01:43 |
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| terje | cool man, well I'd sure love to beta-test the FC4 binary. | 01:44 |
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| @snapcount | I'll git 'r done | 01:44 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 01:55 |
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| @snapcount | I'm downloading these cd's | 01:55 |
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| @snapcount | all four at the same time | 01:55 |
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| @snapcount | 150Kb/s each | 01:55 |
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| @snapcount | not too shabby | 01:55 |
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| * terje mixes a martini | 02:05 |
| @snapcount | !dubya | 02:27 |
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| @WRE | "Listen, Al Gore is a very tough opponent. He is the incumbent. He represents the incumbency. And a challenger is somebody who generally comes from the pack and wins, if you're going to win. And that's where I'm coming from." | 02:27 |
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| @snapcount | hola | 02:55 |
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| @snapcount | coma estas | 02:55 |
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| @snapcount | donde esta el bano? el queso es viaja y ongo | 02:55 |
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| @snapcount | crythia | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | crythias | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | did I make your screen blink | 02:56 |
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| crythias | yeah | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | hah | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | hi | 02:56 |
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| crythias | or.. gaim told me you typed my name | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | how are you | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | where is the bathroom | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | the cheese is old and moldy | 02:56 |
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| crythias | fine. the cheese is old and... stinky | 02:56 |
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| crythias | modly | 02:56 |
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| crythias | ok. | 02:56 |
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| crythias | moldy | 02:56 |
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| @snapcount | encino man | 02:57 |
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| crythias | bueno. Me gusta ensenar cosas nuevas | 02:57 |
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| crythias | how may I ab^hmuse you? | 02:58 |
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| @snapcount | just talkin | 02:58 |
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| @snapcount | I didn't need anything | 02:58 |
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| crythias | kewl | 02:58 |
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| @snapcount | I'm building an FC4 wre | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | binary | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | if it's possible | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | JT has tried with FC3 and FC4 with no luck | 02:59 |
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| crythias | I should consider making a FreeBSD binary. | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | yeah what the hell | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | =) | 02:59 |
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| crythias | not certain I want to do zip-n-go... | 02:59 |
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| @snapcount | pointless | 03:00 |
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| crythias | well, | 03:00 |
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| @snapcount | we have a windows wre in the works | 03:00 |
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| @snapcount | it will be ready in 10^-2 centuries | 03:00 |
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| crythias | it'd be webgui.freebsd.tar.gz | 03:00 |
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| crythias | ready in a year? | 03:01 |
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| crythias | time to take your axatives... it's time for American Idol eliminations. | 03:01 |
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| crythias | laxatives. | 03:01 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 03:01 |
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| @snapcount | forgot you're a math guy | 03:02 |
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| @snapcount | most people are like huh? | 03:02 |
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| crythias | 10 types of people... those who understand binary, those who don't.. | 03:02 |
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| @snapcount | really screw with them 10^-3 centuries | 03:02 |
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| @snapcount | exactly | 03:02 |
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| crythias | 1.2 months? | 03:02 |
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| @snapcount | 1 century = 100 years | 03:03 |
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| @snapcount | so .1 centuries | 03:03 |
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| crythias | we've established 1^-2=1 year | 03:03 |
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| crythias | 10^-2 | 03:03 |
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| @snapcount | 365/10 | 03:03 |
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| crythias | 12 months/10 | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | 36.5 days | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | or 365*.1 | 03:04 |
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| crythias | almost a month | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | more than a month | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | see | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | isn't this fun | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | =) | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | translation | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | it will be done in 36.5 days | 03:04 |
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| @snapcount | the cheese is old and moldy | 03:05 |
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| crythias | chili con queso... a fromage | 03:10 |
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| crythias | with cheese | 03:10 |
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| crythias | Waiter, I'll have pie a la mode. Actually, I'd like some ice cream, too. | 03:11 |
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| crythias | I think I might submit my SideBy Google to digg | 03:12 |
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| crythias | "That's lame. Frames are so last century" | 03:12 |
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| crythias | I don't want to host it on my local box | 03:13 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 03:14 |
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| pbmdawg | how's it coming terje | 03:36 |
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| pbmdawg | have you made an FC4 wre binary for us yet? :) | 03:36 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hoi Grobbebol :-) | 16:02 |
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| Grobbebol | Dag meneer Wouter | 16:02 |
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| -!- ian` is now known as ian_procolix | 16:18 |
| ian_procolix | hoi wouter_procolix | 16:18 |
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| wouter_procolix | hoi ian_procolix | 16:19 |
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| ian_procolix | alles goed? | 16:20 |
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| ian_procolix | dag marc | 16:20 |
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| Grobbebol | dag ian | 16:20 |
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| ian_procolix | hallooo | 16:20 |
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| -!- ian_procolix is now known as Ian|ProcoliX | 16:22 |
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| @snapcount | welcome, friends from the Netherlands | 17:32 |
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| @snapcount | or is it just martin who is in the netherlands? | 17:32 |
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| @snapcount | crythias! | 17:34 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | colleges | 17:41 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | it is | 17:41 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | mr snapcount | 17:41 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | but martin is in the netherlands aswell :-) | 17:42 |
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| @snapcount | so I've decided I like VMWare | 17:52 |
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| @snapcount | so much easier than dragging another machine out of the basement | 17:52 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | :P | 17:52 |
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| @snapcount | having a damn serverfarm in the house to run all the *nixes | 17:52 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | but less cool | 17:52 |
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| @snapcount | yes in the social sense | 17:52 |
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| @snapcount | not in the thermodynamic sense | 17:53 |
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| @snapcount | hehe | 17:53 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | true =) | 17:53 |
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| @snapcount | so what do you do over at Procolix Ian? | 17:53 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | system and network engineer | 17:53 |
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| @snapcount | cool | 17:54 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | i gotta kill the webgui's that take 100% cpu load on our servers ;) | 17:54 |
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| @snapcount | I have a great respect for network engineers | 17:54 |
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| @snapcount | oh haha | 17:54 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | I have respect for them webgui developers | 17:54 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | hehe | 17:54 |
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| @snapcount | I've been learning more about networking | 17:54 |
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| @snapcount | I recently got iptables going | 17:54 |
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| @snapcount | for my gateway machine at home | 17:54 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | iptables is cool | 17:55 |
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| @snapcount | my latest conquest was snort and base | 17:55 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | I dislike snort | 17:55 |
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| @snapcount | so I can see all the script-kiddies and worms trying to violate me | 17:55 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | takes to much cpu load | 17:55 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 17:55 |
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| @snapcount | my little gateway server is like "ummf" | 17:55 |
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| @snapcount | but it's not like a business or anything | 17:56 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | hehe | 17:56 |
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| @snapcount | it's just for my enjoyment and entertainment | 17:56 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | yeah its fun to play around with when it works | 17:56 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | when it doesn't its a pain in the ass | 17:56 |
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| @snapcount | true for many things | 17:56 |
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| @snapcount | I'm trying to compile a WRE binary for FC4 right now | 17:57 |
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| @snapcount | so far so good | 17:57 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | :P | 17:57 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | we're mostly into gentoo | 17:57 |
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| @snapcount | I love gentoo | 17:57 |
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| @snapcount | it's just cool | 17:57 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | yep | 17:57 |
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| @snapcount | takes like 10 years to install though if you compile everything | 17:58 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | whaha yeah | 17:58 |
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| @snapcount | but that's also what makes it cool | 17:58 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | thats true | 17:58 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | well im out | 18:00 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | cu later roy | 18:00 |
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| @snapcount | later man | 18:00 |
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| @snapcount | nice talking with you | 18:00 |
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| Ian|ProcoliX | likewise | 18:00 |
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| @snapcount | gerald is coming | 18:50 |
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| @snapcount | ah | 18:50 |
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| @snapcount | damn it | 18:51 |
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| @snapcount | you beat me | 18:51 |
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| @snapcount | fc 4 wre | 18:51 |
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| @snapcount | so far so good | 18:51 |
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| @snapcount | mysql is compiling now | 18:51 |
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| crythias | sigh | 18:53 |
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| crythias | 6 diggs | 18:53 |
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| @snapcount | what does that mean | 18:53 |
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| crythias | http://digg.com/software/Mashup_any_WebPage_with_Google_at_the_click_of_a_button | 18:53 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/mfktq | 18:53 |
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| crythias | ah, well | 18:55 |
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| @snapcount | what does 6 diggs mean though | 18:55 |
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| @snapcount | are they like votes | 18:55 |
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| crythias | yeah | 18:55 |
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| @snapcount | can I vote for it | 18:56 |
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| crythias | I "digg" this | 18:56 |
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| crythias | if you have an account. | 18:56 |
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| @snapcount | haha | 18:56 |
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| @snapcount | $$$ | 18:56 |
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| @snapcount | ? | 18:56 |
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| crythias | Free | 18:56 |
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| @snapcount | I'll promote your cause | 18:56 |
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| crythias | :) | 18:56 |
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| crythias | Thanks | 18:56 |
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| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #webgui to: *==Vote for Gerald--* http://tinyurl.com/mfktq | 18:57 |
| @snapcount | maybe we can double your votes | 18:57 |
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| crythias | I can digg it you can digg it we can digg it :) | 18:57 |
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| @snapcount | how many are required for fame and fortune | 18:57 |
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| crythias | hey ... 20 votes in an hourand I cna make it to front page :) | 18:57 |
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| @snapcount | we need to gather a militia for this task | 18:58 |
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| @crythias | ahh yeah... 'tis Matt! and welcome to .. here. | 19:02 |
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| @snapcount | matt | 19:02 |
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| @snapcount | we need your vote | 19:02 |
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| @snapcount | do you digg it | 19:03 |
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| @snapcount | I just registered | 19:03 |
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| * pbmdawg crumples like a skyscraper | 19:03 |
| @crythias | then we'll bum rush digg for WebGUI 7 :) | 19:03 |
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| terje | hey snapcount | 19:03 |
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| @snapcount | uhh | 19:03 |
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| terje | how'd it go last night? | 19:03 |
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| @snapcount | my digg didn't get counted | 19:03 |
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| terje | =) | 19:03 |
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| @snapcount | it's still going | 19:03 |
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| @snapcount | looking good so far | 19:04 |
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| terje | cool | 19:04 |
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| @crythias | did your knees explode or were they hit by missiles? | 19:04 |
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| @snapcount | mysql is compiling now | 19:04 |
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| terje | I'll re-image this box right now then. | 19:04 |
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| @snapcount | I think we're over the hump | 19:04 |
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| @crythias | Maybe the planes had to bounce off the ground before landing in you. | 19:04 |
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| @snapcount | apache/mp2/apr are the beeotches | 19:04 |
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| @snapcount | and they are dizone | 19:05 |
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| terje | you said hump.. | 19:05 |
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| @crythias | Whatcha gonna do with all that junk.. all that junk in side your hump... | 19:05 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 19:05 |
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| terje | what we really need is just a WRE linux distro based on FC4 | 19:05 |
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| terje | like download and install this ISO | 19:05 |
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| @snapcount | matt | 19:05 |
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| @snapcount | appliances? | 19:05 |
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| pbmdawg | hee. I have it for Debian | 19:05 |
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| @crythias | u got me spendin'... spendin all my money on ye. all my time on ye. | 19:06 |
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| terje | yea dog | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | 334MB | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | nice | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | does it work yet | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | (compressed) | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | sweet | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | just not on macs | 19:06 |
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| terje | that is sweet. | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | ab results? | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | b/c there's no vmware player for a mac | 19:06 |
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| @crythias | *in whiner mode* "No, not debian! I *must* have it for Ubuntu" | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | does it suck | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | royally | 19:06 |
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| @snapcount | really? | 19:06 |
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| pbmdawg | no, hold on, I'll run ab | 19:07 |
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| @snapcount | slower than crap eh | 19:07 |
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| @snapcount | we need to find someone with a production class machine | 19:07 |
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| @snapcount | get the vmware player on it | 19:07 |
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| @snapcount | simmer, and let cool | 19:07 |
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| pbmdawg | I have Athlon 3000 | 19:07 |
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| pbmdawg | 1 GB ram | 19:07 |
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| @snapcount | cool | 19:08 |
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| pbmdawg | that's what I'm testing it on now | 19:08 |
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| @snapcount | now all we have to do is simmer, and let cool | 19:08 |
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| pbmdawg | do you want 100 unique visitors | 19:08 |
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| pbmdawg | (new sessions created for each) | 19:08 |
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| pbmdawg | or 100 of the same user | 19:08 |
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| @snapcount | yes | 19:09 |
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| pbmdawg | grr | 19:09 |
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| @snapcount | I want to hear your smoke detectors go off as the cpu melts | 19:09 |
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| pbmdawg | 330KB/s | 19:09 |
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| @snapcount | I choose a) alex | 19:09 |
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| @snapcount | 100 unique users for 300 | 19:09 |
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| pbmdawg | for 100 unique users, 1 concurrent | 19:10 |
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| @crythias | 330 :) | 19:10 |
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| @snapcount | mysql compiled | 19:11 |
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| pbmdawg | 6.8.7 btw | 19:11 |
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| @snapcount | onto image magick | 19:11 |
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| @snapcount | I'm in love wit a strippa... | 19:12 |
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| @snapcount | dededededede | 19:12 |
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| @snapcount | drop it low | 19:12 |
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| * pbmdawg barfs all over his dog, who looks very dejected and sad as a result. | 19:12 |
| @snapcount | you don't like strippers | 19:12 |
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| @crythias | only when I'm painting. | 19:13 |
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| pbmdawg | 430 KB/s for -n200 -c5 with a wgSession cookie | 19:14 |
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| pbmdawg | that's not bad | 19:14 |
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| @snapcount | to do a true test | 19:15 |
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| @snapcount | you'd need to run it native on equiv hardware | 19:15 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah | 19:15 |
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| @snapcount | and see the delta yo | 19:15 |
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| pbmdawg | but that beats plainblack.com :P | 19:15 |
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| pbmdawg | heh | 19:15 |
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| * pbmdawg DOS's plainblack.com | 19:16 |
| @crythias | hee | 19:17 |
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| @crythias | wow. | 19:18 |
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| @snapcount | mom | 19:19 |
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| @snapcount | err | 19:19 |
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| @crythias | hee aay | 19:19 |
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| @snapcount | .mom | 19:19 |
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| @crythias | *mom | 19:19 |
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| pbmdawg | WOWMOM | 19:19 |
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| @snapcount | oh yeah | 19:19 |
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| @snapcount | my period was too low | 19:19 |
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| @crythias | I'm glad there's context for that statement. | 19:20 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 19:20 |
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| @crythias | woot? | 19:21 |
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| @snapcount | man... it would be nice to have a dl380 g4 here to do this wre build with | 19:23 |
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| @snapcount | 15K scsi drives | 19:23 |
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| @crythias | heh | 19:24 |
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| pbmdawg | 30K | 19:24 |
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| @snapcount | hyperthreaded cpus | 19:24 |
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| @snapcount | like 4GB of ram | 19:24 |
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| @snapcount | *sigh* | 19:24 |
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| @crythias | btw. my wife and I have a joke regarding "Don't end a sentence in a preposition" | 19:24 |
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| @crythias | A preposition isn't good to end a sentence with, dammit. | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | like, "honey, do you want to go to bed early tonight, wink wink" | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | none of those | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | that's proposition | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | my bad shorty | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | fees | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | I'm segfaulting | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | a;alkjf | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | ahh | 19:25 |
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| @snapcount | $self->reboot | 19:26 |
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| @snapcount | ==(0* snapcount 1.0.59.64 ready for work --*\ | 19:27 |
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| @crythias | heh. So the guy'd been in jail for a year. He was released, then arrested for soliciting a prostitute. The judge said, "what the heck? Don't you know you shouldn't end your sentence with a proposition?" | 19:27 |
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| @snapcount | Would you like to play a game? | 19:27 |
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| @crythias | Let's play global thermonuclear war. | 19:27 |
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| @snapcount | how about a nice game of tic-tac-toe? | 19:27 |
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| @snapcount | the only winning move is... not to play | 19:28 |
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| @crythias | No. Let's play global thermonuclear war. | 19:28 |
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| @crythias | Choose a side. | 19:28 |
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| @crythias | Let's play Russian | 19:28 |
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| @snapcount | I'll go with pluto | 19:28 |
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| @snapcount | the planet, not the dog | 19:28 |
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| @crythias | just making sure. | 19:28 |
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| * snapcount grabs some popcorn as earth destroys it's self | 19:29 |
| @snapcount | I'll go first | 19:29 |
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| @snapcount | you lost moscow | 19:29 |
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| @snapcount | I win | 19:29 |
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| @snapcount | you sunk my battleship | 19:29 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 19:30 |
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| @WRE | "I mean, there needs to be a wholesale effort against racial profiling, which is illiterate children." | 19:30 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 19:30 |
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| @snapcount | !quote agthx | 19:30 |
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| @WRE | AGTHX -> 32.03 +0.10 / Last Trade Mar 2 / Change +0.31% / Volume N/A / 52 Week Range N/A | 19:31 |
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| @snapcount | go baby go | 19:31 |
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| @snapcount | !quote smcwx | 19:31 |
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| @WRE | SMCWX -> 38.54 +0.09 / Last Trade Mar 2 / Change +0.23% / Volume N/A / 52 Week Range N/A | 19:31 |
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| pbmdawg | !quote BC | 19:31 |
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| @WRE | BC -> 39.13 -0.63 / Last Trade 12:14pm / Change -1.58% / Volume 39.24 / 52 Week Range 39.28 | 19:31 |
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| * pbmdawg takes advantage of papajohns.com coupon: 1 large 2 topping for $7.99 | 19:35 |
| @snapcount | bitch | 19:37 |
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| @snapcount | I want some papa johns | 19:38 |
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| pbmdawg | $7.99 | 19:38 |
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| @snapcount | and how do you expect me to come up with that kind of dough | 19:40 |
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| * snapcount slaps his knee | 19:41 |
| @snapcount | woo | 19:41 |
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| pbmdawg | sell your body | 19:41 |
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| pbmdawg | should take 2 nights | 19:41 |
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| @snapcount | damn | 19:41 |
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| @snapcount | that's not a bad idea | 19:41 |
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| @snapcount | I only need one of these kidneys... probably stand to loose a nipple or something | 19:42 |
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| pbmdawg | sell most of your liver; it'll grow back | 19:43 |
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| @snapcount | true true | 19:43 |
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| @snapcount | appendix, gal bladder | 19:44 |
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| @snapcount | worthless | 19:44 |
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| @snapcount | so I can get rid of those | 19:44 |
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| @snapcount | bling bling | 19:46 |
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| @snapcount | perlmodules are installing | 19:46 |
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| @snapcount | 'got new shoes on da ride... rollin' down 95' | 19:47 |
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| -!- chansen [n=chansen@h48n3c1o1099.bredband.skanova.com] has quit ["bbl"] | 20:00 |
| @snapcount | heh | 20:10 |
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| @snapcount | time for an experiment | 20:10 |
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| @snapcount | startkeylogger | 20:10 |
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| @snapcount | stopkeylogger | 20:11 |
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| @snapcount | damn | 20:11 |
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| @snapcount | http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/03/keylogger_utterance_spooks_nor.html | 20:12 |
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| @WRE | <snapcount> http://tinyurl.com/kgrwh | 20:12 |
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| @crythias | startkeylogger | 20:41 |
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| @crythias | stopkeylogger | 20:41 |
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| @crythias | heh | 20:41 |
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| @snapcount | you all passed the test | 20:42 |
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| @snapcount | damn | 20:42 |
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| @snapcount | libapreq2 barfed | 20:42 |
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| @snapcount | figures | 20:42 |
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| @snapcount | last thing in the build | 20:42 |
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| @crythias | libapreq2 inhales forcefully | 20:43 |
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| @snapcount | I'll beat this bitch into submission | 20:43 |
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| * snapcount dons his gi and numbchucks | 20:44 |
| @snapcount | ah | 20:44 |
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| @snapcount | glue is missing a module | 20:45 |
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| @snapcount | anyone want a dougnut? | 20:47 |
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| @snapcount | I have cake style with chocolate glaze | 20:47 |
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| @crythias | glue! | 20:47 |
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| @snapcount | tastes great, less filling | 20:48 |
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| @crythias | http://mail.plainblack.com:8000/Lists/webguidev/Message/3218.html?Language= | 20:48 |
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| @crythias | Eclair: tastes great, more filling! | 20:49 |
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| @snapcount | I'm building glue manually | 20:49 |
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| @snapcount | it wanted ModPerl::MM which isn't installed for some reason by wre or cpan via prereqs | 20:50 |
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| @snapcount | appears to be compiling ok now | 20:50 |
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| @crythias | 1.fm rocks | 20:50 |
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| @snapcount | huh? | 20:50 |
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| pbmdawg | ECLAIRE.COM is already taken | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | I had a genuis plan | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | I was going to buy sketshooters.com | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | that's what rappers are calling ejaculation now | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | sket | 20:51 |
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| @crythias | ohh my beloved ice cream bar! how I love to lick your creamy filling! | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | so I was gonna sell it to some porn site | 20:51 |
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| pbmdawg | skeet??????? | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | they spell it | 20:51 |
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| @snapcount | sket | 20:52 |
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| @snapcount | I looked at some lyrics | 20:52 |
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| @snapcount | I bailed on the plan though | 20:52 |
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| @crythias | fountains of protein.com | 20:52 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 20:52 |
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| @crythias | ew | 20:52 |
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| @crythias | I think I'm going to be sick. | 20:52 |
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| @crythias | whiteprotein.com | 20:53 |
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| @crythias | and it's available. | 20:54 |
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| @snapcount | check sploogeblower.com | 20:55 |
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| @snapcount | rofl | 20:55 |
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| @crythias | yes | 20:55 |
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| @snapcount | we should alias it to webgui.org | 20:55 |
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| pbmdawg | LOLPLATES.COM $8.95*/yr | 20:55 |
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| pbmdawg | available | 20:56 |
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| @crythias | heh! www.whiteprotein.com => "Welcome to plainblack.com" | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | sploogeblower.com available | 20:56 |
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| @crythias | sketshooter.com available | 20:56 |
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| @snapcount | what does it mean when a test returns a result of dubious | 20:57 |
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| pbmdawg | awwww milfkiller.com already taken. | 20:57 |
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| @snapcount | how about | 20:57 |
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| @snapcount | soccermom.com | 20:57 |
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| @snapcount | has a nice ring to it | 20:57 |
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| @crythias | dat's just sick | 20:57 |
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| @crythias | diediekitten.com | 20:58 |
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| @snapcount | stacy's mom... has got it goin' on | 20:58 |
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| @snapcount | so | 20:58 |
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| @snapcount | what does it mean | 20:59 |
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| @snapcount | the test wants to smoke a dubious | 20:59 |
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| @snapcount | I don't get it | 20:59 |
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| @snapcount | let's ask W | 21:01 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 21:01 |
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| @WRE | "They have miscalculated me as a leader." | 21:01 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 21:01 |
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| @WRE | "It's your money. You paid for it." | 21:01 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 21:01 |
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| @WRE | "If the East Timorians decide to revolt, I'm sure I'll have a statement." | 21:01 |
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| @snapcount | awesome | 21:02 |
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| @snapcount | !dubya | 21:02 |
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| @WRE | "The California crunch really is the result of not enough power-generating plants and then not enough power to power the power of generating plants." | 21:02 |
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| @snapcount | lol | 21:02 |
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| @snapcount | wow | 21:02 |
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| pbmdawg | !quote BC | 21:05 |
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| @WRE | BC -> 39.64 -0.12 / Last Trade 2:03pm / Change -0.30% / Volume 39.60 / 52 Week Range 39.65 | 21:05 |
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| @crythias | calc | 21:08 |
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| @crythias | calc random | 21:08 |
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| @WRE | No calc set for "random" | 21:08 |
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| @snapcount | randcalc | 21:08 |
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| @WRE | foo = foobar | 21:08 |
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| @snapcount | lastcalc | 21:08 |
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| @snapcount | gawwwddd | 21:09 |
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| @snapcount | freakin' idiot | 21:09 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:10 |
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| @WRE | confusion = <pb_M-Train> DUDE this ROCKS but I'm not sure what to do with it. | 21:10 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:10 |
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| @WRE | abcstore = Poker in the front. Liquor in the rear. Anteater out until further notice. | 21:10 |
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| @snapcount | randcalc | 21:10 |
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| @WRE | pomade = <rizen> give me some of that palmade <MrHairGrease> I hope you mean pomade | 21:10 |
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| @snapcount | randcalc | 21:11 |
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| @WRE | testes = here goes a new line is it down here? | 21:11 |
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| @snapcount | randcalc | 21:11 |
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| @WRE | wouter = <crythias> so. is it pronounced like wooter or router? | 21:11 |
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| @snapcount | ROFL | 21:12 |
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| @snapcount | I think that one is my new favorite | 21:12 |
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| @snapcount | !poker | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:13 |
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| @WRE | testes = here goes a new line is it down here? | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:13 |
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| @WRE | mattscode = <pbmdawg> {dangit;} i broke 6.9... beyond repair, probably. | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:13 |
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| @WRE | urine = <pb_M-Train> Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:13 |
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| @WRE | flame = Roy and Martin are lovers | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:13 |
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| @WRE | two = one | 21:13 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:14 |
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| @WRE | bunghole = FIRE FIRE FIRE!!! | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:14 |
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| @WRE | abcstore = Poker in the front. Liquor in the rear. Anteater out until further notice. | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:14 |
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| @WRE | docs = <snapcount> JT already wrote it <snapcount> currently it inserts 200 random words at a time into the database | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | randroy | 21:14 |
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| @snapcount | d;alfkdj;a | 21:14 |
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| @crythias | randcalc | 21:14 |
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| @WRE | urethra = {[23:14]} snapcount: or, you could commit it fucked up and try to get others to help you fix it | 21:14 |
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| @snapcount | uh | 21:14 |
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| @snapcount | error | 21:14 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:14 |
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| @WRE | mattcompile = <pb_M-Train>: I've never compiled anything before. | 21:15 |
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| @crythias | randcalc | 21:15 |
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| @WRE | burn = brb self-immolation | 21:15 |
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| @snapcount | dude | 21:15 |
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| @snapcount | they are screwed up | 21:15 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 21:15 |
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| @WRE | stool = crythias: sharing stool. that's just .. gross. | 21:15 |
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| @snapcount | the keys don't match the values | 21:15 |
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| @snapcount | weird | 21:15 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah they do | 21:16 |
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| @snapcount | !bofh | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | just that one was off | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | BOFH Quick-excuse: You can tune a file system, but you can't tune a fish, from most tunefs man pages | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 85565| <revision> in biochem class today, and our teacher, has the hugest fastest ass ever, massive fat ass right. | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 85565| <revision> so hes writing on the board, and moving as he goes, when all of a sudden *WHACK*. he turned around too fast and his FAT ass hit the corner of his desk reall really hard. | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 85565| <revision> lol drops to the ground for like 30 seconds while clutching his rump, then gets up and runs out, blubbering all the way. | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 85565| <revision> i have never laughed so hard at someone elses expense. | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 88528| <Fark_Ninja> The most overlooked advantage to owning a computer is that if it fouls up there's no law against wacking it around a little. | 21:16 |
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| @WRE | |bash 88528| <Cerebus> The same is actually true for a penis. | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:17 |
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| @WRE | |bash 106602| <tr0n> OBLIQUE WROTE THE BOOK '101 HOME REMEDIES TO CURE WANKER'S CRAMP'. | 21:17 |
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| @WRE | |bash 106602| <tr0n> AND IS NOW WORKING ON 'HOW TO RESTORE RECTAL ELASTICITY' | 21:17 |
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| pbmdawg | calc chirp "And I was thinking, 'chirpy chirpy chirpy'" | 21:17 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:17 |
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| @WRE | |bash 119073| <exo> why are redneck murders so hard to solve | 21:17 |
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| @WRE | |bash 119073| <exo> cuz theres no dental records and all their DNA is the same | 21:17 |
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| @WRE | |bash 119073| <fearz> HAHAHA | 21:17 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:17 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 21:18 |
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| @snapcount | you broke bash | 21:18 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash ME | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash search results: Q# 23396 | Q# 4281 | Q# 5273 | Q# 99060 | Q# 244321 | Q# 287414 | Q# 99835 | Q# 207373 | Q# 5775 | Q# 4753 | 21:18 |
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| @snapcount | !bash bash | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash search results: Q# 21516 | Q# 185361 | Q# 60469 | Q# 192531 | Q# 345144 | Q# 194647 | Q# 31 | Q# 230936 | Q# 140720 | Q# 50070 | 21:18 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash crythias | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash: no results found for search | 21:18 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash roy | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash search results: Q# 104383 | Q# 151861 | Q# 408973 | Q# 520466 | Q# 402242 | Q# 610952 | Q# 15920 | Q# 181581 | Q# 56044 | Q# 13813 | 21:18 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash snapcount | 21:18 |
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| @snapcount | ooh | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash: no results found for search | 21:18 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash 104383 | 21:18 |
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| @WRE | !bash: quote has too many lines to display in public channel (max 12, quote has 34): sending as privmsg instead | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash 151861 | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash 408973 | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | !bash | 21:19 |
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| pbmdawg | /kick crythias | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| -[Conroy_Bumpus]- OH FUCK ME | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| -[Conroy_Bumpus]- I FORGOT TO PICK UP MY 7 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER FROM SOCCER PRACTICE | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| -[Conroy_Bumpus]- 9 HOURS AGO | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| -[Conroy_Bumpus]- HOLY SHIT | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| -[Conroy_Bumpus]- BYE | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> The most dangerous thing in the world is a Second Lieutenant with a map and a compass | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision. | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision. | 21:20 |
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| @crythias | what? | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Americans: This is the Captain of a US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course. | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Canadians: No. I say again, you divert YOUR course. | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Americans: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER USS LINCOLN, THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES' ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. I DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S ONE FIVE DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP. | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <FoXeh> Canadians: This is a lighthouse. Your call. | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 124804| <Sopabuena> I will name my children after my testicles | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 124804| <Sopabuena> Left and Right | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 124804| <GreenJeanz> ......... | 21:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 124804| <Mort> I don't think 'small' and 'smaller' are very good names. | 21:20 |
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| -!- pbmdawg was kicked from #webgui by snapcount [violence is not the answer] | 21:20 |
| @snapcount | hehe | 21:20 |
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| -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 21:21 |
| @snapcount | where did you go? | 21:21 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o pbmdawg] by WRE | 21:21 |
| @snapcount | uh oh | 21:21 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by pbmdawg | 21:21 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 21:21 |
| -!- pbmdawg was kicked from #webgui by snapcount [not so fast] | 21:21 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+i] by snapcount | 21:22 |
| @snapcount | pfft | 21:22 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-i] by snapcount | 21:22 |
| @crythias | heh | 21:23 |
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| @crythias | lighthouse. your call | 21:23 |
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| @crythias | old joke. | 21:23 |
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| @crythias | guess he left | 21:24 |
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| @snapcount | I privmsged him | 21:24 |
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| @crythias | I tried to /invite | 21:24 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+i] by crythias | 21:28 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-i] by crythias | 21:28 |
| @snapcount | anyone care to help test wre for fc4 | 21:31 |
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| * snapcount throws a bucket of water on terje | 21:32 |
| @snapcount | 62MB | 21:36 |
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| @snapcount | matt has put me on the ignore list | 21:38 |
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| * snapcount is ignored | 21:38 |
| @snapcount | crythias, how bout it | 21:38 |
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| -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 21:38 |
| @snapcount | he's bizack | 21:39 |
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| @snapcount | do you have fc4 installed matt | 21:39 |
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| @snapcount | wanna help test | 21:39 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 21:39 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 21:39 |
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| @snapcount | is that a no to both questions | 21:39 |
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| @snapcount | or one no with strong emphasis to one of the questions | 21:40 |
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| pbmdawg | yes | 21:40 |
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| @snapcount | hehe | 21:40 |
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| -!- snapcount was kicked from #webgui by snapcount [play nice with others] | 21:40 |
| -!- snapcount [n=roy@24.241.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 21:40 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 21:41 |
| @snapcount | well fiddlesticks | 21:41 |
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| pbmdawg | buh roring | 21:44 |
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| @snapcount | where should I stick this file | 21:53 |
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| pbmdawg | guess | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | if you say up my ass | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | it would be funny | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | anyways | 21:53 |
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| pbmdawg | SF | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | where should I put it so peeps can dl and test | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | yeah but | 21:53 |
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| @snapcount | I wanna make sure it works first | 21:54 |
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| pbmdawg | why; we release untested broken stuff all the time | 21:54 |
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| @snapcount | heh | 21:54 |
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| @snapcount | I guess my testing must suffice | 21:54 |
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| pbmdawg | STUFFIT | 22:04 |
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| @snapcount | SKETSHTR | 22:05 |
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| @snapcount | THE HNIC | 22:05 |
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| pbmdawg | SHIZZLE | 22:06 |
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| @snapcount | MA GRILL | 22:06 |
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| @snapcount | TUXNGOEY | 22:07 |
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| @snapcount | CPANSUX | 22:08 |
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| pbmdawg | CPANCAKE | 22:08 |
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| @crythias | calc urinecakes | 22:09 |
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| @WRE | urinecakes = <crythias> That's not belly lint, that's urine cakes. | 22:09 |
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| @snapcount | has anyone ever seen nuba speak? | 22:10 |
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| @crythias | I'm sorry. energy radio is probably my favorite feed ever. | 22:11 |
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| nuba | no | 22:11 |
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| @crythias | heh. Best way to stop people shorting your stock is to post a profit. | 22:13 |
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| @snapcount | nuba: you're there | 22:14 |
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| @snapcount | just wondering | 22:14 |
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| @snapcount | crythias: you're failing to make sense again | 22:15 |
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| @crythias | comment posted to http://news.com.com/2100-1038-6045466.html?tag=tb | 22:15 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/zjjk4 | 22:15 |
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| nuba | snapcount: yes | 22:15 |
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| @crythias | son is complaining about short sellers of Overstock.com stock. | 22:15 |
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| @crythias | commenter says They won't do it if they post a profit. | 22:16 |
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| pbmdawg | short over stock stock | 22:16 |
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| @snapcount | yeah | 22:16 |
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| @snapcount | don't overstock on overstock stock especially if overstock stock is selling short | 22:17 |
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| @crythias | http://news.com.com/Need+your+PC+fixed+Get+ready+to+pay+up/2100-1041_3-6044445.html?tag=nefd.pulse | 22:17 |
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| @WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/em3re | 22:17 |
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| nuba | snapcount: sup ? | 22:27 |
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| @snapcount | I'm building a new wre right now | 22:28 |
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| @crythias | a-shol-y | 22:30 |
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| @crythias | dunno. not making sense. | 22:31 |
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| pbmdawg | wouter | 23:07 |
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| @snapcount | calc wouter | 23:07 |
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| @WRE | wouter = <crythias> so. is it pronounced like wooter or router? | 23:07 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hi math | 23:07 |
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| wouter_procolix | Well, some dutch people pronounce router like wooter, so that's a different question :-) | 23:08 |
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| wouter_procolix | But I guess it's like router :-) | 23:08 |
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| pbmdawg | or like water | 23:08 |
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| pbmdawg | or wuuter, as massachusets people pronounce "water" | 23:08 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hey, I have a WebGUI question: | 23:09 |
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| wouter_procolix | about the uploadsHandler | 23:09 |
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| wouter_procolix | Is it always called in current WebGUI versions, or is there an option for it... | 23:10 |
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| pbmdawg | current? | 23:10 |
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| pbmdawg | 6.8.x ? | 23:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | SVN version. | 23:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | 6.99 | 23:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hmm, the question also for 6.8.7... | 23:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | Because some of our websites has problems with file permissions since it's upgraded to 6.8.7 yesterday. | 23:11 |
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| @snapcount | from what? | 23:11 |
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| @snapcount | what version were you at before? | 23:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hm, good question... I guess 6.5 or something like that... I'm not sure. I didn't do it myself. | 23:12 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 23:12 |
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| @snapcount | It's not optional anymore afaik | 23:12 |
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| @snapcount | it was in that version though | 23:12 |
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| pbmdawg | it's probably a rewriting problem. | 23:12 |
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| wouter_procolix | I changed the permissions using "Edit branch" but the .wgaccess files were not updated accordingly. | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 23:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | Also manual editing didn't work. So the images are still not visible :-( | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | they won't be | 23:13 |
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| pbmdawg | known bug | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | every time you edit a file | 23:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | Known solution?? | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | it gets copied | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | and hence a new .wgaccess | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | basically | 23:13 |
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| @snapcount | the files are being versioned | 23:14 |
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| @snapcount | but it's fucked up | 23:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yikes.. So no quick fix probably... | 23:14 |
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| @snapcount | no.. colin and I worked on this for a while | 23:14 |
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| pbmdawg | oh, I added a flag parameter to getFiles that gets all the files, including .wgaccess ones | 23:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | What's getFiles? | 23:15 |
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| pbmdawg | Storage::getFiles | 23:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | okay. | 23:15 |
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| pbmdawg | just thought I'd throw that out there | 23:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | maybe a script to modify all .wgaccess files will do as a quick & dirty solution in this case. | 23:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | But I still don't understand the uploadsHandler (in SVN vesion)... I added some warn() statements in the uploadsHandler (between Session->open and $session->close), but nothing shows up in the webgui log when I access a file from the uploads directory. | 23:19 |
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| wouter_procolix | s/vesion/version/ | 23:19 |
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| pbmdawg | then 6.8.7 was upgraded/installed incorrectly | 23:22 |
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| wouter_procolix | :-( | 23:24 |
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| @snapcount | hey | 23:44 |
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| @snapcount | where does apache get it's path when it runs something like preload.perl | 23:44 |
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| @snapcount | the bastard is using the wrong perl | 23:45 |
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| wouter_procolix | Are you referring to the uploadsHandler problem?? | 23:47 |
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| @snapcount | no | 23:47 |
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| @snapcount | I'm off on my own little tangent here | 23:47 |
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| wouter_procolix | okay, phew... | 23:47 |
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| @snapcount | sorry | 23:47 |
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| wouter_procolix | than bastard != me :-) | 23:48 |
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| @snapcount | oh no | 23:48 |
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| @snapcount | haha | 23:48 |
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| @snapcount | bastard == apache | 23:48 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yeah, I guessed ;-) | 23:48 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, another bug... Adding new subscriptions throws an error. I traced it to this line: | 00:02 |
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| wouter_procolix | WebGUI::Commerce::Payment->recurringPeriodValues($session) | 00:03 |
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| wouter_procolix | (well, that's part of the line). | 00:03 |
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| wouter_procolix | $sessions seems fine at this point in the code | 00:03 |
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| wouter_procolix | So it must be in recurringPeriodValues I guess. | 00:03 |
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| wouter_procolix | https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/view/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Commerce/Payment.pm | 00:03 |
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| @WRE | <wouter_procolix> http://tinyurl.com/s7lz6 | 00:03 |
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| wouter_procolix | Then something happens with "Tie::IxHash" but I have no idea what that is or how it works. Can someone take a quick look at the function? | 00:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | It's only 10-15 lines and might be just a stupid typo or something like that... | 00:04 |
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| wouter_procolix | Oh, by the way, the error is as follows: | 00:05 |
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| wouter_procolix | Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Subscription::www_editSubscription. Root cause: Can't locate object method "user" via package "WebGUI::Commerce::Payment" at .../WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm line 78. | 00:06 |
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| @snapcount | I was trying to figure this out yesterday | 00:06 |
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| @snapcount | it's breaking my wobject | 00:06 |
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| @snapcount | my guess is that it's a call to the user object of session somewhere | 00:06 |
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| wouter_procolix | In www_editSubscription is a call to $session->user->isInGroup() but that works fine... | 00:08 |
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| wouter_procolix | Hmm: | 00:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | WebGUI::International->new($session, 'Commerce'); | 00:10 |
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| @snapcount | what line of what file are you talking about? | 00:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | That's in Paymet.pm (link a few lines above | 00:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | ) | 00:10 |
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| wouter_procolix | I still have difficulties with understanding how way Perl works.... | 00:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | What's the first argument ($_) in the function new, if it's called like above? | 00:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | $session? or $class? | 00:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | Because in Internationalization.pm: | 00:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | sub new { | 00:11 |
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| wouter_procolix | my ($class, $session, $namespace, $language) = @_; | 00:11 |
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| @snapcount | the way it's called above, $class will be equal to the part before the method | 00:13 |
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| @snapcount | $class=WebGUI::International | 00:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | Okay, then this seems wrong: | 00:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | WebGUI::Commerce::Payment->recurringPeriodValues($session) | 00:13 |
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| wouter_procolix | Because in Payment.pm: | 00:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | sub recurringPeriodValues { | 00:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | my ($session) = @_; | 00:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | So the first argument will be "WebGUI::Commerce::Payment" , isnt' it? | 00:14 |
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| @snapcount | try changing that to shift | 00:14 |
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| @snapcount | my $session = shift; | 00:14 |
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| wouter_procolix | Nope, that doesn't solve the problem :-( | 00:15 |
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| wouter_procolix | But it still looks wrong to me. | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | it is wrong | 00:16 |
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| @snapcount | you can't do it like that | 00:16 |
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| wouter_procolix | AH, I think I've got it. | 00:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | I changed it like this: | 00:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | sub recurringPeriodValues{ | 00:17 |
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| @snapcount | it has to be WebGUI::Commerce::Payment->new($session)->recurringPeriodValues; | 00:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $class = shift; | 00:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | my $session = shift; | 00:17 |
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| wouter_procolix | And you're solution does make even more sense :-) | 00:18 |
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| @snapcount | unless WebGUI::Commerce::Payment->recurringPayment is a constructor | 00:18 |
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| @snapcount | that won't work | 00:18 |
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| @snapcount | the other way to do it would be | 00:18 |
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| @snapcount | my $payment = WebGUI::Commerce::Payment->new($session); | 00:19 |
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| @snapcount | $payment->recurringPayment(); | 00:19 |
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| @snapcount | period values | 00:19 |
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| @snapcount | whatever the method is | 00:19 |
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| wouter_procolix | Oh: | 00:20 |
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| wouter_procolix | Couldn't execute operation : WebGUI::Operation::Subscription::www_editSubscription. Root cause: Can't locate object method "new" via package "WebGUI::Commerce::Payment" | 00:20 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 00:21 |
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| @snapcount | the constructor must be something else then | 00:21 |
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| wouter_procolix | init... | 00:21 |
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| wouter_procolix | =head2 init ( namespace ) | 00:21 |
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| wouter_procolix | I'm not sure about that... | 00:22 |
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| @snapcount | sorry | 00:23 |
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| @snapcount | I'm wrong | 00:23 |
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| @snapcount | that's not a class method | 00:23 |
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| @snapcount | it's a procedural method | 00:23 |
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| wouter_procolix | So than my original solution is fine? | 00:23 |
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| @snapcount | no | 00:23 |
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| @snapcount | the class name is not passed to the function when it's procedural | 00:24 |
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| @snapcount | it's just for scope resolution | 00:24 |
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| @snapcount | The problem is probably in i18n | 00:24 |
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| @snapcount | look at the changes made to the Payment i18n | 00:25 |
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| wouter_procolix | The strange thing is that it worked (or at least it seemed to work) with one shift before "$session = shift" | 00:26 |
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| @snapcount | really? | 00:26 |
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| wouter_procolix | I looked at other occurences of "WebGUI::International->new($session [, namespace]) and they all were the same... | 00:26 |
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| wouter_procolix | Yes, I get a working form back, and no errors in the log file. | 00:27 |
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| @snapcount | I'm no perl OO expert myself | 00:28 |
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| @snapcount | so we should probably ask someone why that works | 00:28 |
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| @snapcount | to make sure it's right | 00:28 |
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| wouter_procolix | I'll ask Martin... I think he wrote the Commerce system or a big part of it. | 00:28 |
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| @snapcount | he would know | 00:29 |
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| wouter_procolix | Besides that, he has a lot of Perl experience, so he'll understand it better :-) | 00:29 |
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| wouter_procolix | I've a lot of experience in C/C++ and some other languages, but Perl is so much different... | 00:29 |
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| wouter_procolix | By the way, when saving the new subscription, I still get the "Can't call method "user"" error, but I'll take a look at that later... | 00:30 |
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| wouter_procolix | Either this was no good solution, or there is another bug. | 00:31 |
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| wouter_procolix | So I'm gonna stop working now.. I'll mail Martin about this problem. But thanks for the help. It's very helpful to talk about this stuff, IMHO. | 00:32 |
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| @snapcount | I agree | 00:32 |
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| wouter_procolix | okay, see you later than :-) | 00:32 |
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| @snapcount | laters | 00:32 |
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| terje | hey snapcount | 00:33 |
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| wouter_procolix | PS: Dag Ian :p | 00:33 |
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| terje | just checking ing.. | 00:33 |
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| terje | err, in. | 00:33 |
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| terje | anything test-worthy? | 00:33 |
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| @snapcount | I'm having issues | 00:33 |
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| @snapcount | almost | 00:33 |
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| terje | cool mon | 00:33 |
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| terje | Prolly Monday then.. | 00:34 |
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| @snapcount | prolly this weekend | 00:34 |
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| @snapcount | but by monday for sure | 00:34 |
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| @snapcount | my laptop sucketh | 00:34 |
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| @snapcount | so compiling and recompiling is slow | 00:34 |
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| terje | werdup | 00:34 |
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| terje | honestly though I have a box you can use if you like. | 00:34 |
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| terje | It's pretty speedy. | 00:34 |
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| terje | and it's got a fresh copy of FC4 on it =) - just let me know. | 00:35 |
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| @snapcount | thanks... I'm just about done now though | 00:35 |
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| terje | k | 00:35 |
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| @snapcount | I'll keep that in mind | 00:35 |
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| terje | k | 00:35 |
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| pbmdawg | terje | 01:13 |
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| pbmdawg | you can compile it yourself if you want. I did it on centos and I'm a linux newbie | 01:14 |
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| * terje terje be laazie | 01:24 |
| terje | I did think about it but snap said he'd hook itup. | 01:24 |
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| pbmdawg | I doubt he gets to it tonight; you might just go ahead and try it assuming you have the time | 01:39 |
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| --- Log opened Sun Mar 05 00:58:14 2006 |
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| pbmdawg | terje: could you exit the room so we can reset the channel and give someone ops | 02:24 |
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| pbmdawg | chansen: also you? | 02:24 |
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| pbmdawg | nuba: you too? | 02:24 |
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| pbmdawg | xdanger? | 02:25 |
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| snapcount | everyone out! =0 | 02:25 |
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| pbmdawg | Fire!!!!!! | 02:25 |
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| snapcount | if everyone but wre leaves he will cycle the channel automagically | 02:25 |
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| pbmdawg | good for him | 02:25 |
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| snapcount | he's freaking amazazzzing | 02:26 |
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| pbmdawg | he probably did that earlier, and then deoped himself or something | 02:26 |
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| pbmdawg | BIZATCHES | 02:26 |
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| pbmdawg | NUBA | 02:29 |
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| nuba | sup ? | 03:48 |
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| nuba | oh, he left.. | 03:48 |
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| pbmdawg | NO OPS | 04:09 |
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| pbmdawg | part-A | 04:09 |
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| perlDreamer | 0x00 | 04:09 |
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| pbmdawg | oops | 04:09 |
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| pbmdawg | par-TA | 04:09 |
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| perlDreamer | or in the case of my latest chip 5a5a5a5a | 04:09 |
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| perlDreamer | that would be two no-ops | 04:10 |
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| pbmdawg | EAX | 04:10 |
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| pbmdawg | banillion | 04:11 |
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| pbmdawg | fasillious | 04:12 |
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| perlDreamer | calc E-ROD | 04:12 |
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| WRE | E-ROD = Evil Release Overlord and Destructor | 04:12 |
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| perlDreamer | greetings, Roy | 04:12 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 04:12 |
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| WRE | plone = lame | 04:12 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 04:12 |
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| WRE | confusion = <pb_M-Train> DUDE this ROCKS but I'm not sure what to do with it. | 04:12 |
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| perlDreamer | now that's funny | 04:13 |
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| perlDreamer | or rand isn't very rand-ish | 04:13 |
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| snapcount | greetings | 04:13 |
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| snapcount | I see our effort to restore ops was a complete failure | 04:14 |
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| pbmdawg | calc papajohns sweet nectar of tomatos, cheese, and sugary dough with salty garlic yellow goo, and BACON, and pepper-ONI | 04:15 |
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| pbmdawg | calc papajohns | 04:15 |
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| WRE | papajohns = sweet nectar of tomatos, cheese, and sugary dough with salty garlic yellow goo, and BACON, and pepper-ONI | 04:15 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah no one left | 04:16 |
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| perlDreamer | so if no one is OP, how does one get op'ed? | 04:16 |
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| snapcount | everyone has to leave | 04:17 |
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| snapcount | and the channel will be cycled by wre | 04:17 |
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| snapcount | which will give him ops | 04:17 |
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| snapcount | he in turn | 04:17 |
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| snapcount | will op us | 04:17 |
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| snapcount | thus restoring order | 04:17 |
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| perlDreamer | but _everyone_ has to leave | 04:17 |
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| perlDreamer | even xdanger the schizo bot/user dude? | 04:20 |
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| snapcount | ok | 04:20 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to resort to darker methods | 04:20 |
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| snapcount | startkeylogger | 04:20 |
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| snapcount | nope | 04:20 |
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| snapcount | let's try this | 04:20 |
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| pbmdawg | roy: unblock me | 04:23 |
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| pbmdawg | or suffer the consequences | 04:23 |
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| pbmdawg | hey | 04:23 |
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| snapcount | hey | 04:24 |
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| snapcount | DCC SEND "byebyek" 0 0 0 | 04:24 |
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| pbmdawg | calc extort <pbmdawg>: in high school p.e. class, our "coach" took us all to the local bowling alley, and each day each person put a dollar to the winner's pot. Guess who won every day? | 04:26 |
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| snapcount | DCC SEND 012345689012345678 | 04:26 |
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| snapcount | fuck | 04:26 |
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| snapcount | the exploits aren't working | 04:27 |
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| snapcount | no one is vulnerable | 04:27 |
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| perlDreamer | "I am invincible!" | 04:27 |
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| perlDreamer | name that movie | 04:27 |
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| pbmdawg | Goldeneye | 04:27 |
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| pbmdawg | of course | 04:28 |
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| perlDreamer | props to the representative from Kansas | 04:28 |
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| pbmdawg | I used to say that all the time | 04:28 |
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| perlDreamer | what happened to the Floridian quote-a-matic? | 04:28 |
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| snapcount | I'm about to DDos those who are not complying | 04:28 |
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| snapcount | hopefully none of them are sitting at a university somewhere w/ an OC48 | 04:29 |
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| pbmdawg | I think EV1 might shutter all our servers if you use those | 04:29 |
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| perlDreamer | if you can get the lurkers to leave, I'll go too | 04:29 |
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| pbmdawg | DIE DIE DIE lurklers | 04:30 |
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| snapcount | I wouldn't do that | 04:30 |
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| snapcount | I'm not insane | 04:30 |
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| snapcount | I have other machines for such purposes | 04:30 |
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| snapcount | DCC SEND "byebyek" 0 0 0 | 04:30 |
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| pbmdawg | 0DAYWRZ | 04:35 |
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| perlDreamer | BAKD00R | 04:36 |
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| snapcount | ok | 04:37 |
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| snapcount | this will take a little prep | 04:37 |
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| perlDreamer | y'all think these 17" displays are too big? | 04:37 |
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| snapcount | just so everyone knows | 04:37 |
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| snapcount | this is not malicious | 04:37 |
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| snapcount | no harm intended | 04:37 |
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| snapcount | you will just fall off of freenode for a bit =) | 04:37 |
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| * snapcount prepares to save the day | 04:37 |
| pbmdawg | how is saving the day going | 04:58 |
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| snapcount | slowly | 04:58 |
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| snapcount | I have to setup a few more bots | 04:58 |
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| snapcount | it's going to be cool | 04:58 |
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| snapcount | it might suck if they have a script to auto rejoin or something | 04:59 |
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| snapcount | or a lot of bandwidth | 04:59 |
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| snapcount | but hey | 04:59 |
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| snapcount | worth a shot | 04:59 |
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| pbmdawg | Accidental Damage Protection (Except in Florida) | 05:03 |
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| pbmdawg | you can't get ADP in florida | 05:03 |
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| snapcount | what? | 05:03 |
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| pbmdawg | through dell | 05:04 |
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| snapcount | oh | 05:04 |
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| pbmdawg | you can't but accidental damage protection | 05:04 |
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| pbmdawg | buy | 05:04 |
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| pbmdawg | oh well. | 05:23 |
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| pbmdawg | it wasn't meant to be | 05:23 |
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| pbmdawg | (with me here, tonight, at least) | 05:23 |
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| snapcount | what's that | 05:23 |
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| pbmdawg | l8r | 05:24 |
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| -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] | 05:24 |
| snapcount | heh | 05:24 |
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| snapcount | he's going to miss the fun | 05:24 |
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| snapcount | my army is compiling as we speak | 05:24 |
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| perlDreamer | what hackery are you brewing? | 05:47 |
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| perlDreamer | and why didn't you use perl? | 05:47 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 05:54 |
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| perlDreamer | still here | 06:16 |
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| snapcount | yrs | 06:16 |
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| perlDreamer | yrs? | 06:16 |
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| snapcount | y | 06:17 |
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| perlDreamer | what's yrs? | 06:17 |
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| perlDreamer | what does it mean? | 06:17 |
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| snapcount | redneck for yes | 06:17 |
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| perlDreamer | roger | 06:17 |
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| perlDreamer | I didn't know that you spoke rednect. | 06:31 |
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| perlDreamer | redneck | 06:31 |
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| snapcount | heh | 06:32 |
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| snapcount | you must learn at least one foreign language in college | 06:33 |
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| perlDreamer | that's not a foreign language, it's a dialect | 06:33 |
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| perlDreamer | I mean, do you really think an oregon redneck and florida redneck could communicate with one another? | 06:33 |
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| snapcount | hmm | 06:34 |
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| snapcount | perhaps | 06:34 |
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| perlDreamer | oh, sure. there are commonalities, like tobacco spitting etiquette | 06:34 |
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| perlDreamer | monster truck discussion | 06:34 |
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| perlDreamer | and talk about how to sight in your new rifle | 06:34 |
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| perlDreamer | but how do they talk about swamp boats, or snow mobiles | 06:34 |
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| perlDreamer | it just wouldn't work | 06:35 |
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| snapcount | sigh | 06:35 |
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| snapcount | I think you're right | 06:35 |
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| perlDreamer | are you about ready to nuke us? | 06:35 |
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| snapcount | I couldn't make it work on one server | 06:35 |
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| snapcount | I'm trying it on another one now | 06:36 |
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| -!- WRE1 [n=WRE1@67-58-211-247.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 06:43 |
| snapcount | hehehe | 06:43 |
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| snapcount | there's one | 06:44 |
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| -!- WRE2 [n=WRE2@67-58-211-247.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 06:48 |
| perlDreamer | two | 06:48 |
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| snapcount | wre counts as well | 06:48 |
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| snapcount | so that's three | 06:48 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to make one more | 06:48 |
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| perlDreamer | so what's the strategy? | 06:48 |
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| snapcount | they all are connecting from the same host so I have to be carefull | 06:48 |
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| snapcount | flood | 06:49 |
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| snapcount | all the bots will ping them simultaneously | 06:49 |
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| snapcount | when they attempt to reply to all of them | 06:49 |
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| snapcount | irc will think they are flooding the channel | 06:49 |
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| snapcount | and kick them | 06:49 |
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| snapcount | I have to install the script that will cooridinate the ping | 06:50 |
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| perlDreamer | and the channel gets cleared and you can be OP | 06:50 |
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| perlDreamer | cool | 06:50 |
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| snapcount | well, when everyone is gone | 06:50 |
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| snapcount | I will leave also with the bots | 06:50 |
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| snapcount | then when I join | 06:50 |
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| snapcount | I'll have ops | 06:50 |
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| snapcount | basically I'll be creating the channel | 06:51 |
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| snapcount | if it works | 06:51 |
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| snapcount | =) | 06:51 |
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| -!- chansen [n=chansen@81.225.82.48] has quit ["bbl"] | 06:51 |
| -!- WRE3 [n=WRE3@67-58-211-247.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 06:53 |
| perlDreamer | hmmm | 06:57 |
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| perlDreamer | $#bots == $#people | 06:57 |
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| perlDreamer | we're about 12 files away from the test run being setup | 06:58 |
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| snapcount | sweeet | 06:59 |
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| perlDreamer | one small problem, though | 06:59 |
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| perlDreamer | all mixin packages fail the POD test | 06:59 |
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| perlDreamer | even though they have POD | 06:59 |
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| perlDreamer | it's because their package namespace differs from the filename | 06:59 |
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| perlDreamer | haven't figured out a way around it yet | 07:00 |
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| snapcount | ah | 07:00 |
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| perlDreamer | sounds like you're not having much luck either | 07:25 |
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| snapcount | just about ready | 07:26 |
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| snapcount | !rp_channels | 07:43 |
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| perlDreamer | ahhh | 07:43 |
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| perlDreamer | AAAAHHHHHHHH | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | huh? | 07:43 |
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| perlDreamer | I was preparing for Armageddon | 07:44 |
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| snapcount | not quite | 07:44 |
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| perlDreamer | but nothing is happening | 07:44 |
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| snapcount | heh | 07:45 |
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| perlDreamer | ten files and counting, plus 8 mixins | 07:48 |
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| snapcount | cool | 07:48 |
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| snapcount | colin | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 07:49 |
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| snapcount | cut and past like 30 lines into the channel | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | 30 lines, okay | 07:49 |
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| snapcount | you'll prolly get kicked | 07:49 |
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| snapcount | but come back | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | ok 238 - WebGUI::Session::Style | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | ok 239 - WebGUI::Session::Url | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | ok 240 - WebGUI::Session::Var | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | ok 241 - WebGUI::Storage | 07:49 |
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| perlDreamer | ok 242 - WebGUI::Storage::Image | 07:49 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit [Excess Flood] | 07:49 |
| snapcount | I think I loaded the wrong script | 07:49 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui | 07:50 |
| perlDreamer | yup, kicked | 07:50 |
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| snapcount | wrong script then | 07:51 |
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| snapcount | I'll continue this in the morning | 08:00 |
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| snapcount | later | 08:00 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 08:00 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 7 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal] | 15:07 |
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has left #webgui [] | 15:08 |
| --- Log closed Sun Mar 05 15:08:23 2006 |
| --- Log opened Mon Mar 06 14:14:44 2006 |
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui | 14:14 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 4 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 4 normal] | 14:14 |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 0 secs | 14:14 |
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has left #webgui [] | 14:14 |
| --- Log closed Mon Mar 06 14:14:58 2006 |
| --- Log opened Mon Mar 06 17:06:06 2006 |
| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui | 17:06 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 6 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] | 17:06 |
| -!- Irssi: Join to #webgui was synced in 0 secs | 17:06 |
| xdanger | nothing yet =( | 17:06 |
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| snapcount | are'nt you on the chanserv as an op? | 17:06 |
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| snapcount | you registered the channel right? | 17:08 |
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| xdanger | no i didn't | 17:12 |
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| snapcount | I thought I saw freenode op you | 17:12 |
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| * snapcount shrugs | 17:12 |
| xdanger | that was propably after a network split | 17:12 |
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| snapcount | oh | 17:12 |
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| snapcount | I tried registering the channel and someone has already | 17:12 |
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| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 17:23 |
| crythias | ok. | 17:24 |
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| * snapcount puts | 17:24 |
| snapcount | you don't have to leave | 17:24 |
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| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #WebGUI to: nevermind, we gave up | 17:24 |
| crythias | puts, putts, pouts? | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | pouts | 17:24 |
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| crythias | stats p not working in gaim | 17:24 |
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| crythias | no /who either | 17:24 |
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| crythias | hi | 17:25 |
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| snapcount | damn idlers | 17:25 |
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| crythias | um. yeah | 17:25 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to set the bot to start kicking them | 17:25 |
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| crythias | xdanger disappeared | 17:25 |
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| snapcount | so this doesn't happen again | 17:25 |
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| crythias | chansen | 17:26 |
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| crythias | terje | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | I'm kind of grumpy | 17:26 |
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| crythias | understood | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | we lost a pretty important server last night | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | twas a late night | 17:26 |
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| crythias | oh? ick. | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | had to buy a new server | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | and | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | the one that died | 17:26 |
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| -!- BearPerson [i=karsten@sourcemage/wizard/pdpc.bronze.BearPerson] has joined #webgui | 17:26 |
| snapcount | hosted about 80 sites and our primary dns | 17:27 |
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| crythias | I've been warned that my traffic was too much on my free host. | 17:27 |
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| crythias | ack! ack! ack! | 17:27 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 17:27 |
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| snapcount | it sucked hard | 17:27 |
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| snapcount | hi bear | 17:27 |
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| snapcount | for some reason libapreq is using the wrong perl | 17:28 |
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| snapcount | I'm so close to having this fc4 wre | 17:28 |
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| crythias | h | 17:28 |
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| snapcount | i | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | j | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | k | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | l | 17:29 |
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| crythias | sanpcount: http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml | 17:29 |
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| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/7yvxk | 17:29 |
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| crythias | I think it's time to check it out. | 17:29 |
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| xdanger | BearPerson is a freenode staffer, and could help us get ops back | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | oh | 17:29 |
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| crythias | kewl | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | thanks x | 17:29 |
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| BearPerson | I'm not sure if you'd quite qualify for primary group, let me see | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | we usually have more peeps | 17:30 |
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| BearPerson | does any of you run/own something called "webgui" ? | 17:30 |
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| snapcount | they all left b/c we're trying to cycle the channel | 17:30 |
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| snapcount | yes | 17:30 |
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| BearPerson | hmm | 17:30 |
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| snapcount | I work for Plainblack | 17:30 |
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| snapcount | the comapany that makes WebGUI | 17:30 |
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| crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/webgui | 17:30 |
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| crythias | http://www.plainblack.com/staff snapcount is roy johnson | 17:31 |
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| crythias | I'm a volunteer. | 17:31 |
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| BearPerson | hmm | 17:31 |
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| * snapcount dcc's some dna to BearPerson =) | 17:31 |
| BearPerson | okay, looking good so far then | 17:31 |
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| BearPerson | hmm | 17:32 |
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| BearPerson | yeah, http://freenode.net/group_registration.shtml it will be then | 17:33 |
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| WRE | <BearPerson> http://tinyurl.com/7yvxk | 17:33 |
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| snapcount | I need to read through this? | 17:33 |
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| BearPerson | how high op the food chain can we get someone to fill out an approving group form for one of the people in here? | 17:33 |
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| BearPerson | s/op/up/ | 17:33 |
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| BearPerson | yeah, would help 8-) | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | ok | 17:34 |
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| crythias | Probably JT | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | I'm in charge or all our community stuff | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | but I could get my boss to do it | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | he owns the company | 17:34 |
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| BearPerson | that'll work 8-) | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | k | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | so after we fill this out | 17:34 |
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| snapcount | we'll have ops again =) | 17:34 |
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| BearPerson | if you could get him to fill out one form as "approving contact" and you fill one out as "being approved" with his name in the "approved by", we should be fine | 17:35 |
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| snapcount | ok cool | 17:35 |
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| snapcount | appreciate the help | 17:35 |
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| snapcount | he's still sleeping b/c of last nights server episode, so we'll have to wait a bit | 17:40 |
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| xdanger | what kind of episode ?-) | 17:40 |
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| snapcount | complete hardware failure | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | primary dns | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | about 80 sites | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | we got it back up pretty fast | 17:41 |
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| chansen | whatsup? | 17:41 |
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| chansen | crythias: you called? | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | christian! | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | nobody has ops | 17:42 |
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| crythias | yeah, that | 17:42 |
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| crythias | nuba | 17:42 |
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| chansen | who need ops? ;P | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | we were trying to get everyone to leave so we could cycle the channel | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 17:42 |
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| xdanger | those are nice... especially sunday evenings =) | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | xdanger: no doubt | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | I was just about to crawl into bed | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | and my phone starts going off with messages from the server | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | 'help me, I'm dying' | 17:43 |
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| chansen | cat FreeNode provide some assistant? | 17:43 |
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| chansen | s/cat/can't/ | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 17:43 |
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| crythias | yeah but it's paperwork :) | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | BearPerson is a fn staffer | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | we're going to register the channel | 17:44 |
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| snapcount | but we have to wait for JT to wake up | 17:44 |
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| snapcount | haha | 17:44 |
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| chansen | it's kind of rude to ask people to leave, and even worse, cursing them. | 17:45 |
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| xdanger | hey, I actually have a question about wg... Is anyone doing anything to tempalate pagination ? | 17:46 |
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| snapcount | template it how? | 17:48 |
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| snapcount | so the links are templatable you mean | 17:49 |
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| xdanger | yes... We have a "multilingual" site that has event calendars on every language and "Previous 6 months - Next 6 months" | 17:50 |
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| xdanger | It would also be nice to have CS with out >> or << marks.. | 17:50 |
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| snapcount | hey matt | 17:51 |
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| pbmdawg | hey drivel-tongue | 17:51 |
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| xdanger | someone could bread down the pagination.nextPage variable to pagination.nextPageUrl .nextPageText or something like that | 17:52 |
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| snapcount | do you have perl skillz? | 17:54 |
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| xdanger | little hacking now and then... | 17:54 |
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| snapcount | well, if you want to implement it using 6.99 | 17:54 |
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| snapcount | you can submit your patch to the dev list | 17:54 |
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| snapcount | and we could get it in 7 | 17:55 |
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| snapcount | I'll answer questions and stuff | 17:55 |
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| xdanger | There was some talks about convertion pagination to utility asset ? | 17:55 |
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| snapcount | but I don't have time to do it myself | 17:55 |
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| snapcount | I never heard that discussion | 17:55 |
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| xdanger | rfe 1229466 | 17:55 |
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| xdanger | snapcount: http://tinyurl.com/zw5gy | 17:56 |
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| snapcount | that looks like matt's baby | 17:58 |
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| pbmdawg | more like my tarbaby | 17:59 |
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| snapcount | pfft | 17:59 |
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| pbmdawg | oh wait, that's the calendar. | 17:59 |
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| snapcount | did you ever run this idea by JT? | 17:59 |
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| snapcount | xdanger: I would suggest posting to the dev list referencing the rfe | 18:00 |
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| snapcount | if you're willing to try and implement it | 18:00 |
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| snapcount | make sure you state the end goal | 18:00 |
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| snapcount | as JT may no like the proposed implementation | 18:00 |
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| snapcount | but he will suggest alternatives | 18:01 |
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| snapcount | if you tell him what you're trying to accomplish | 18:01 |
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| xdanger | pagination is just about the last thing in webgui that hasn't been templated =) | 18:02 |
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| snapcount | I agree | 18:02 |
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| snapcount | I think it would be cool | 18:02 |
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| snapcount | you better do it fast though... in about two months no new features are going in for quite some time | 18:03 |
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| snapcount | now is the time to do it | 18:03 |
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| pbmdawg | not quite the last thing. | 18:03 |
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| pbmdawg | the form controls are not templatable (programmatically) | 18:03 |
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| pbmdawg | nor is the edit profile screen. | 18:03 |
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| pbmdawg | nor is the admin console (enough) | 18:03 |
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| snapcount | bah | 18:03 |
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| xdanger | pbmdawg: you remember this: | 18:04 |
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| xdanger | 15:46 <@xdanger> since we're using mod_perl2 shouldn't we use something like $r->filename($storage->getPath($self->get("filename"))); return Apache2::Const::DECLINED; instead of redirect ? | 18:04 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah | 18:04 |
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| xdanger | have you given it any thougts ? | 18:04 |
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| xdanger | I just realized since storage is versioned with the changes to the asset, the files "real url" changes... | 18:05 |
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| xdanger | this could be a bad thing for linking or search engines | 18:05 |
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| xdanger | it you do that passthru apache the url would be always the same but you could still version the storage locations... | 18:06 |
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| * pbmdawg is too busy to reply atm | 18:06 |
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| terje | morning all | 19:32 |
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| terje | hey snapcount - how's the FC4 binary? | 19:33 |
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| terje | I'll check site.. | 19:33 |
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| snapcount | I'm troubleshooting a problem with libapreq | 19:36 |
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| terje | ah ok.. | 19:39 |
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| crythia1 | seems reasonable that all but nuba could leave and come back? | 20:11 |
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| BearPerson | the problem is timing it right | 20:11 |
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| nuba | hey | 20:12 |
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| crythia1 | hey | 20:13 |
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| crythia1 | got nuba. | 20:13 |
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| nuba | i can leave & join later if need | 20:13 |
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| crythia1 | xdanger? | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | I emailed JT about the group reg | 20:13 |
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| crythia1 | pbmdawg? | 20:13 |
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| pbmdawg | here | 20:13 |
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| crythia1 | kill your bot, though, snapcount | 20:13 |
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| crythia1 | chansen? | 20:13 |
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| nuba | nevetheless, this is a very lame way of handling the channel | 20:14 |
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| -!- WRE [n=WRE@67-58-211-247.amtelecom.net] has quit ["snapcount"] | 20:14 |
| crythia1 | yeahbut we're fixing it. | 20:14 |
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| crythia1 | long term | 20:14 |
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| nuba | yup | 20:14 |
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| crythia1 | just short term is an issue. | 20:14 |
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| crythia1 | by we I mean not me | 20:14 |
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| snapcount | pfft | 20:14 |
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| crythia1 | heh | 20:14 |
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| snapcount | chansen | 20:14 |
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| -!- crythia1 is now known as crythias | 20:15 |
| snapcount | at least we don't have 40 people in here | 20:15 |
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| pbmdawg | follow my lead | 20:15 |
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| -!- pbmdawg [n=SysAdmin@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] | 20:15 |
| BearPerson | well | 20:15 |
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| nuba | yeah that'd be rediculous | 20:15 |
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| nuba | ridiculous* | 20:15 |
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| nuba | ok there we go | 20:15 |
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| crythias | #webgui-waitingroom | 20:15 |
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| BearPerson | if you have any short-term issues I think I can cover | 20:15 |
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| snapcount | so are we all leaving now? | 20:16 |
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| snapcount | is that the plan | 20:16 |
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| snapcount | lol | 20:16 |
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| crythias | only if we can catch chansen | 20:16 |
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| crythias | and terje | 20:16 |
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| crythias | and xdanger | 20:16 |
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| snapcount | doh | 20:16 |
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| BearPerson | hmm | 20:16 |
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| snapcount | this will make a great story one day | 20:16 |
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| nuba | heh | 20:17 |
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| BearPerson | anything immediate you need channel registration/ops for? | 20:17 |
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| crythias | #webgui-waitingroom | 20:17 |
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| nuba | ok | 20:17 |
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| BearPerson | nuba, you're not identified to nickserv by the way | 20:17 |
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| BearPerson | I mean, we could just run the channel opless until we can get the group thing covered | 20:17 |
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| snapcount | BearPerson: not really... just piece of mind and that special feeling you get with an @ next to your nic | 20:18 |
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| nuba | BearPerson: just id'ed | 20:18 |
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| nuba | thx | 20:18 |
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| BearPerson | and in case anything happens where we do need staff, I'll do my best to find some with whatever powers we need | 20:18 |
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| BearPerson | http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml (second bullet) ;-) | 20:18 |
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| nuba | so, should people go to #webgui-waiting room or stay here ? | 20:19 |
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| crythias | except, we're kinda ok with those who have ops. | 20:19 |
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| crythias | but I like channel access list thing | 20:19 |
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| nuba | come on, can one of the op-less ops herd us ? ;) | 20:19 |
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| BearPerson | well, you'll get the channel registration in the long run anyway | 20:20 |
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| snapcount | wow | 20:21 |
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| snapcount | I'm not a very good channel op | 20:21 |
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| snapcount | I think I've broken just about every rule in that link | 20:21 |
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| BearPerson | hehe | 20:22 |
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| BearPerson | you can always learn :P | 20:22 |
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| BearPerson | that page is just guidelines from freenode | 20:22 |
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| BearPerson | the things we found that tend to make channels nice and productive | 20:23 |
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| crythias | I think we need to have a vi vs. emacs war, here. | 20:23 |
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| BearPerson | :) | 20:23 |
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| crythias | because we all know that notepad rocks. | 20:23 |
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| snapcount | notepad++ | 20:24 |
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| nuba | bah i guess a fckedirot vs tinymce vs htmlarea would be more related to #webgui | 20:26 |
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| snapcount | freenode seems like a socialist kinda place which is odd compared to most irc networks | 20:27 |
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| snapcount | take Efnet for example | 20:27 |
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| BearPerson | thanks :-) | 20:27 |
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| snapcount | "remember...it's just irc. we don't care" | 20:27 |
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| BearPerson | we try to not be "IRC" :) | 20:27 |
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| snapcount | i see | 20:27 |
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| snapcount | funny thing is when matt created this channel, he just randomly picked the network | 20:28 |
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| snapcount | it's nice you guys give a crap | 20:28 |
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| BearPerson | we may just be a bit complicated about all this group stuff | 20:28 |
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| BearPerson | compare http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#ontopic - we actually care what the channels on our networks are about ;-) | 20:29 |
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| snapcount | we fit #1 | 20:30 |
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| snapcount | woo hoo | 20:30 |
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| snapcount | we can stay! | 20:30 |
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| BearPerson | :) | 20:31 |
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| BearPerson | freenode is all about providing a communication medium for groups that already exist outside of IRC | 20:32 |
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| BearPerson | I sometimes think of it as the friendly playground where all the children from the block can come to play vs. the ruined playground where the junkies gather and hang out 8-) | 20:33 |
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| nuba | heh | 20:33 |
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| BearPerson | we're not really about forming groups on IRC (think warez/clan/gaming channels) | 20:34 |
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| BearPerson | we're currently writing something about that on http://freenode.net/humans.shtml | 20:36 |
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| BearPerson | I guess the "meta-community" part is what I'm trying to say | 20:36 |
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| snapcount | I get it now | 20:37 |
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| snapcount | it's a cool idea | 20:37 |
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| snapcount | funny how we've just kinda been here and never bothered to read any of this stuff | 20:37 |
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| BearPerson | :) | 20:37 |
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| snapcount | I'm sure you get a lot of that | 20:38 |
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| crythias | actually, I chose it, cause it was default in gaim. | 20:44 |
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| snapcount | oh | 20:44 |
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| snapcount | my bad | 20:44 |
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| crythias | np | 20:44 |
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| snapcount | I thought it was matt | 20:44 |
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| crythias | it was a collab. Colin had issues with direct IM. probably talked with Matt about it. I got involved in an issue, and created #webgui. | 20:45 |
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| crythias | but the idea was Colin's and Matt's originally. | 20:46 |
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| BearPerson | interesting... a client where we are default ;-) | 20:46 |
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| BearPerson | we were removed from irssi's server list because they thought us not IRCish enough | 20:46 |
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| nuba | oh i tried joining #webgui on freenode a few times before it came to actually exist. saw nobody, then left... | 20:46 |
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| BearPerson | and requested to be taken off the mirc list to make less of a target for spambots | 20:47 |
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| nuba | same thing on irc.perl.org | 20:47 |
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| crythias | heh. | 20:47 |
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| crythias | well, part of #webgui's staying power has been some lurker/op holders. Some of it has just been increased (I believe) productivitiy among those who participate, and then there's just me. | 20:48 |
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| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #WebGUI to: We don't need no stinkin' ops! | 20:49 |
| crythias | productivity wrt working out bugs in the project | 20:49 |
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| snapcount | eek! | 20:49 |
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| snapcount | you said the 'b' word | 20:49 |
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| crythias | um.. undocumented features, sorry. | 20:49 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 20:50 |
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| crythias | but we do diversify somewhat. it's not all perl... | 20:51 |
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| crythias | we go offtopic some times. issat bad? | 20:51 |
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| crythias | sometimes we just need to de-stress | 20:52 |
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| crythias | guess we gotta stop with the LICNSTAG | 20:52 |
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| pbmdawg | why is that | 20:52 |
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| crythias | Off-topic activity may result in users being barred from the network. | 20:53 |
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| crythias | *sniff* | 20:53 |
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| snapcount | OFFTOPC | 20:53 |
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| pbmdawg | zhyikes! | 20:53 |
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| crythias | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#offtopic | 20:54 |
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| pbmdawg | that would be a good movie title. ("off topic") | 20:54 |
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| crythias | No more NICERUG | 20:54 |
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| pbmdawg | FRNCHME | 20:54 |
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| snapcount | crythias: don't make me come over there | 20:55 |
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| snapcount | did you read the whole paragraph? | 20:55 |
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| crythias | various forms of antisocial behavior | 20:55 |
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| snapcount | if we're channeling goatse images we could get banned | 20:55 |
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| pbmdawg | argh. | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | that means dubya is illegal too | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | hey | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | that's just the facts | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | he said | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | it | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | political invective | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | still. | 20:56 |
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| pbmdawg | pr0n is "just the facts" too | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | there is nothing derogotary | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | it's left to the user to interpret | 20:56 |
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| snapcount | (I know you're right btw) | 20:57 |
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| crythias | "I don't know much about pr0n, but I know what I like." | 20:57 |
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| snapcount | we may be too wild and unorthodoxed for freenode | 20:57 |
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| * pbmdawg dances with some hax0r activity | 20:57 |
| crythias | but hardly even know 0r | 20:59 |
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| * pbmdawg install IIS 2.0 on his unfirewalled pc. | 20:59 |
| crythias | because ? | 21:00 |
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| pbmdawg | http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#proxies. | 21:00 |
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| snapcount | well, at least you guys are reading the rules | 21:01 |
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| BearPerson | well, being a bit off-topic on channel is okay | 21:01 |
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| BearPerson | this is still your channel, meant so yau can communicate, develop social skills, and socialize :) | 21:02 |
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| crythias | with respect to freenode ops, if we've tacitly agreed to the content amongst the few of us (and it's not illegal), we'd generally be ok, right? | 21:02 |
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| snapcount | notice he mentioned *develop social skillz* | 21:02 |
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| * crythias smacks snapcount with a trout. | 21:03 |
| crythias | smells like fish... | 21:03 |
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| * snapcount punches crythias in the arm, "punch buggy green no punch back!" | 21:03 |
| * pbmdawg wipes his mouth with an empty doritos bag. | 21:03 |
| crythias | ow! | 21:03 |
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| * crythias rubs his arm. | 21:03 |
| snapcount | colin! | 21:03 |
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| crythias | I'm tellin' mom! | 21:03 |
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| pbmdawg | NILOC | 21:04 |
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| BearPerson | yeah | 21:04 |
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| pbmdawg | BearPerson = Colin ? | 21:04 |
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| BearPerson | without complaints, we don't do anything at all usually :-) | 21:04 |
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| perlDreamer | No, I'm clothed thank you | 21:04 |
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| crythias | heh | 21:04 |
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| snapcount | perlDreamer == colin | 21:04 |
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| * crythias roflol | 21:04 |
| snapcount | lol | 21:04 |
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| * crythias picks up bits of dorito crumbs in his shirt. | 21:05 |
| snapcount | sorry it took me a while to get that one | 21:05 |
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| perlDreamer | snapcount: your plan to take over the world did not come to fruition | 21:05 |
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| snapcount | no | 21:05 |
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| * pbmdawg sneezes a pygmy elephant. | 21:05 |
| crythias | gotta vacuum before I do that rolling. | 21:05 |
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| * crythias rolls his own. | 21:05 |
| * pbmdawg brings his own | 21:05 |
| crythias | ewww ... | 21:05 |
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| pbmdawg | hum. carpet carpet. | 21:06 |
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| perlDreamer | so what's the hot hacking topic of the day? | 21:06 |
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| pbmdawg | I think we need a FOSS project named Loogie so I can say I'm hacking a Loogie. | 21:07 |
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| pbmdawg | and so roy can say, "I'm compiling my Loogie" | 21:08 |
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| pbmdawg | and so colin can say, "I'm documenting my loogie" | 21:08 |
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| crythias | and gerald can say, "why can't we use a different loogie?" | 21:09 |
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| nuba | and I lurk | 21:09 |
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| crythias | a lurker in the loogie | 21:09 |
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| * pbmdawg branches Loogie to a new project: Lung | 21:09 |
| pbmdawg | forks, rather. | 21:10 |
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| crythias | fork up a loung | 21:10 |
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| crythias | lung | 21:10 |
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| pbmdawg | LUNGBOT | 21:10 |
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| crythias | TOESQSH | 21:10 |
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| pbmdawg | TOECRLR | 21:10 |
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| crythias | GUILUGY | 21:10 |
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| crythias | toejam and lungbutter.com | 21:11 |
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| pbmdawg | lunch | 21:11 |
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| crythias | lungbutter.com has been taken | 21:12 |
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| pbmdawg | LUNGCAK | 21:12 |
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| pbmdawg | EATJUNK | 21:13 |
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| crythias | hair greases, toejam, and lungbutter. | 21:13 |
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| crythias | ahh yeah. | 21:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | nop | 21:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | nop | 21:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | nop | 21:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | why? | 21:13 |
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| crythias | exactly | 21:13 |
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| BearPerson | whee | 21:13 |
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| * MrHairgrease feels like misbehaving! | 21:14 |
| MrHairgrease | Try to kick me | 21:14 |
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| MrHairgrease | =) | 21:14 |
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| BearPerson | o_O | 21:14 |
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| * BearPerson quietly points to /stats p | 21:14 |
| crythias | client doesn't like /stats p | 21:14 |
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| MrHairgrease | no such command | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | please don't misbehave 8-) | 21:15 |
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| crythias | "That command doesn't work on this protocol" | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | /quote stats p | 21:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | you all suck c | 21:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh ok | 21:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | =) | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | hmm, gaim does not like it | 21:15 |
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| crythias | it's true | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | (1141672523 20:15) [freenode] -!- p BearPerson (i=karsten@sourcemage/wizard/pdpc.bronze.BearPerson) | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | (1141672523 20:15) [freenode] -!- p spb (n=spb@gentoo/developer/spb) | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | *hint* *hint* | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | (1141672523 20:15) [freenode] -!- p 2 staff members | 21:15 |
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| BearPerson | ;-) | 21:15 |
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| crythias | He's cool, though. | 21:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | I do not understand | 21:15 |
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| MrHairgrease | It must be monday | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | we've been visited by an angel | 21:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | when? | 21:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | when you were drunk this weekend? | 21:16 |
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| BearPerson | in other words, yes, you can misbehave, no, there's no channel ops here, BUT a freenode (firstlevel) staffer is :P | 21:16 |
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| pbmdawg | it's a weekend? | 21:16 |
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| MrHairgrease | ah | 21:16 |
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| * MrHairgrease shuts up | 21:16 |
| BearPerson | "can" meaning "I won't be able to stop you... for a while :P" | 21:16 |
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| crythias | but don't kick him :) | 21:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | do I hear evil laughter? | 21:17 |
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| BearPerson | :) | 21:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | you can kick me | 21:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | just don't ban | 21:17 |
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| BearPerson | how about quiet? ;-) | 21:17 |
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| * MrHairgrease ..... | 21:17 |
| BearPerson | nah, let's leave the subject :) | 21:18 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 21:18 |
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| BearPerson | I don't really like waving priviliges around | 21:18 |
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| MrHairgrease | so how's it going on the coding front? | 21:18 |
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| * BearPerson sits back again and grabs the popcorn | 21:18 |
| MrHairgrease | bearperson: do you also use webgui? | 21:19 |
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| crythias | he's not heard of it. he's just helping us regain channel ops | 21:20 |
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| crythias | by telling us, and by us I mean roy how to apply. | 21:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 21:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | how did we loose em anyway? | 21:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | every op logged out? | 21:21 |
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| crythias | all ops left | 21:21 |
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| crythias | yeah | 21:21 |
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| BearPerson | we do have channel registration stuff, but I guess that only got noticed after that ;-) | 21:23 |
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| crythias | sigh | 21:27 |
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| crythias | I think I gotta change hosting providers. | 21:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | why? | 21:27 |
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| crythias | my traffic went from 7mb/day to 200+mb/day | 21:27 |
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| crythias | and the free hoster says, pay up or lose connection. | 21:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | well | 21:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's only a 2000+ % increase | 21:28 |
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| crythias | yeah. and no idea how or why. | 21:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | so I can imagine he says that | 21:28 |
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| crythias | I did pay up. | 21:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | You dunno where the traffic comes from? | 21:28 |
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| crythias | no, and neither do they. | 21:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | but is it up or downstream? | 21:29 |
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| crythias | *shrug* it's traffic. | 21:29 |
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| crythias | but most likely from my site to someone. | 21:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh | 21:30 |
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| crythias | but without logs, I don't know. | 21:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | your website | 21:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | I thought you meant your work or home connection | 21:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | my mistake | 21:30 |
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| crythias | and I don't see the hits that would cause it. | 21:30 |
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| crythias | np. | 21:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | 200 mb per day is not that much | 21:30 |
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| crythias | well, no, but my free host: doteasy.com allows 1gb/month traffic. | 21:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh ok | 21:31 |
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| crythias | I paid $18 in an emergency for traffic. | 21:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | i see | 21:31 |
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| crythias | 10gb/month | 21:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | why don't you have logs? | 21:31 |
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| crythias | I don't host., | 21:32 |
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| crythias | brb | 21:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 21:32 |
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| crythias | I host gwy2.org, but I don't have anything but ftp access to gwy.org | 21:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | i see | 21:33 |
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| crythias | so. I'm looking at $7.95/month for gwy.org and large traffic | 21:35 |
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| crythias | which I can swing, ... I think I will go with www.bluehost.com | 21:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 21:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | I've podded the SQLForm today | 21:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | so it's one step closer to inclusion in the core | 21:37 |
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| crythias | yee haq | 21:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | somebody here used it already? | 21:37 |
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| crythias | pnut butter, jelly. | 22:25 |
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| snapcount | we need to up crythias' meds | 22:28 |
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| crythias | ah yeah | 22:30 |
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| * crythias zips up in a banana costume... | 22:30 |
| * crythias gets out the maracas | 22:30 |
| * crythias looks blankly into a camera ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmWoVkhXI3o&search=peanut%20butter%20jelly | 22:31 |
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| crythias | heh | 22:32 |
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| crythias | keycapture on | 22:32 |
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| perlDreamer | calc E-ROD | 22:33 |
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| crythias | no wre | 22:33 |
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| pbmdawg | crythias: is that your kid? | 22:33 |
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| snapcount | so, /quit and /part really are different | 22:33 |
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| crythias | not at all | 22:33 |
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| crythias | I have a 2 year old. that's it. | 22:33 |
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| snapcount | I have a 4 month old | 22:33 |
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| crythias | isn't that video stupid funny? | 22:33 |
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| pbmdawg | you and your kydeeprn............. | 22:34 |
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| crythias | that's enough of that. | 22:34 |
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| crythias | thbbpt :) | 22:34 |
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| pbmdawg | alright alright | 22:34 |
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| snapcount | http://www.snapcount.org/home/photos/my-pictures/nikkis-first-bath#YABly9oBZhF99WFayvGUhQ | 22:34 |
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| pbmdawg | hey yours looks like mine | 22:35 |
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| snapcount | heh | 22:35 |
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| pbmdawg | http://www.veradox.com/uploads/zz/d2/zzd2Jill5yhR3gokWPcLLA/Cody_-_First_Week_003.jpg | 22:35 |
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| snapcount | she practices islam | 22:35 |
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| crythias | http://www.gwy2.org/photos/index.php?album=%2FTrent%2F2-3Yrs%2F&image=DCP_4811.JPG | 22:35 |
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| snapcount | I miss tinyurl | 22:36 |
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| snapcount | whoa | 22:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't | 22:36 |
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| snapcount | you'rs is human | 22:36 |
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| crythias | so they tell me :) | 22:36 |
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| snapcount | s/you'rs/your's | 22:36 |
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| pbmdawg | http://www.veradox.com/uploads/Jf/-_/Jf-_caF7TF0mNoVWCOgQ7g/Cody_-_First_Week_015.jpg | 22:36 |
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| crythias | yours | 22:36 |
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| snapcount | whatever | 22:36 |
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| snapcount | !spell | 22:37 |
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| snapcount | calc spelling | 22:37 |
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| snapcount | doh | 22:37 |
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| snapcount | dude | 22:37 |
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| snapcount | that last pic is a little explicit | 22:37 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah, he's a boy | 22:37 |
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| pbmdawg | you can see his neutering scars | 22:37 |
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| crythias | heh | 22:37 |
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| perlDreamer | ouch | 22:37 |
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| snapcount | don't they have to be at least 3 (21 doggy years) before you can put those pics on the net | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | his tail is docked also | 22:38 |
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| perlDreamer | tone it down a little will you, I'm trying to eat lunch | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | his ears are clipped too | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | ding | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | ding | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | ding | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | ding | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | and his thumbs are removed | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | =) | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | but they call them dewclaws. | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | can he stand on his tail stub? | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | plus, he had 4 teeth surgically removed | 22:38 |
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| perlDreamer | no wonder he's so small | 22:38 |
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| snapcount | you might as well had a kid | 22:38 |
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| pbmdawg | he's a highly modified stock model | 22:39 |
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| snapcount | just as expensive | 22:39 |
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| pbmdawg | better believe it | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | and fewer chewed on electronics | 22:39 |
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| pbmdawg | yes. | 22:39 |
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| * pbmdawg gets to work on the core this week. | 22:39 |
| snapcount | welcome back wre | 22:39 |
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| -!- WRE [n=WRE@67-58-211-247.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 22:39 |
| snapcount | calc spelling | 22:39 |
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| perlDreamer | calc E-ROD | 22:40 |
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| WRE | spelling = Bad spelers of the world untie | 22:40 |
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| WRE | E-ROD = Evil Release Overlord and Destructor | 22:40 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 22:40 |
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| WRE | foo = foobar | 22:40 |
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| pbmdawg | randcalc | 22:40 |
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| WRE | confusion = <pb_M-Train> DUDE this ROCKS but I'm not sure what to do with it. | 22:40 |
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| snapcount | easy easy | 22:40 |
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| snapcount | he just got back | 22:40 |
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| perlDreamer | calc godfather | 22:40 |
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| WRE | No calc set for "godfather" | 22:40 |
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| pbmdawg | calc nezir | 22:40 |
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| WRE | No calc set for "nezir" | 22:40 |
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| perlDreamer | calc jt | 22:40 |
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| WRE | No calc set for "jt" | 22:40 |
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| snapcount | calc rizen | 22:40 |
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| WRE | rizen = The Godfather | 22:40 |
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| pbmdawg | calc papajohns | 22:40 |
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| WRE | papajohns = sweet nectar of tomatos, cheese, and sugary dough with salty garlic yellow goo, and BACON, and pepper-ONI | 22:40 |
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| pbmdawg | calc mamajohns | 22:41 |
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| WRE | No calc set for "mamajohns" | 22:41 |
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| snapcount | you guys are bored | 22:41 |
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| * pbmdawg jigs a dance | 22:41 |
| snapcount | when we restore ops | 22:41 |
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| * perlDreamer rigs a jig | 22:41 |
| snapcount | we should op everyone to celebrate | 22:41 |
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| BearPerson | hmm | 22:41 |
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| perlDreamer | what's "celebrate"? | 22:42 |
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| BearPerson | if you guys need anything that needs +o on this channel, notify me or anyone on /stats p | 22:42 |
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| snapcount | ok | 22:44 |
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| snapcount | will do | 22:44 |
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| WRE | Hi Everyone | 22:45 |
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| perlDreamer | it talks? | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | calc E-ROD | 22:46 |
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| WRE | E-ROD = Evil Release Overlord and Destructor | 22:46 |
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| WRE | What's new with WebGUI | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | well | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | the events calendar is broken | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | 6.9 is still months away | 22:46 |
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| WRE | Yes, Colin... I can talk. I know much about your kind. | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | 6.8 bugs are accumulating | 22:46 |
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| perlDreamer | and crythias is transfixed by PB&J's | 22:47 |
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| perlDreamer | what's new out in cyberspace? | 22:47 |
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| WRE | There are many worms, viri, and trojans | 22:48 |
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| WRE | it's a very dangerous place to be nowadays | 22:48 |
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| * WRE gets jiggy wit it | 22:51 |
| crythias | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmTEZh8JDhc&feature=Views&page=1&t=t&f=b | 22:52 |
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| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/q72hk | 22:52 |
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| pbmdawg | terrible. | 22:52 |
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| pbmdawg | those are serious injuries | 22:52 |
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| WRE | one over two pi times the square root of inductance times capacitance | 22:53 |
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| crythias | currently on digg ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37GVvxcyz6I&search=potato%20peel | 22:54 |
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| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/lvlm9 | 22:54 |
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| WRE | Roy told me there were some EE's in the crowd...? | 22:54 |
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| crythias | I thought about inductance once, but what the L | 22:54 |
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| WRE | 1/(2*3.14159*sqrt(L*C)) | 22:55 |
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| WRE | Crythias++ tell him what he's won Roy... | 22:55 |
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| snapcount | a new car! | 22:56 |
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| crythias | ... toon | 22:56 |
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| crythias | You've just won a hundred grand.... | 22:56 |
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| crythias | candybar | 22:56 |
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| pbmdawg | mothers? | 22:56 |
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| crythias | http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0623051grand1.html | 22:57 |
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| WRE | <crythias> http://tinyurl.com/rzov4 | 22:57 |
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| WRE | I'm thinking about getting my hard-drives done, but I'm afraid I may not boot afterwards | 22:57 |
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| WRE | It is a very hard choice to make | 22:57 |
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| WRE | The 160 giggers are nice, but I don't want to get them *too* big | 23:00 |
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| perlDreamer | are you thinking two or four? | 23:05 |
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| WRE | two | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | RAID1 | 23:06 |
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| perlDreamer | definitely RAID1 | 23:06 |
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| snapcount | matt | 23:09 |
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| snapcount | your homepage is a little bland | 23:09 |
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| pbmdawg | so spice it up | 23:09 |
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| * snapcount throws some sugar on veradox.com | 23:10 |
| snapcount | ta da! | 23:10 |
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| snapcount | pbmdawg: the webgui default login isn't working on your site | 23:19 |
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| perlDreamer | that isn't good | 23:19 |
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| snapcount | how are we supposed to upload pictures? | 23:20 |
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| snapcount | and write articles? | 23:20 |
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| perlDreamer | and add spice? | 23:20 |
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| snapcount | yes, the spice | 23:20 |
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| crythias | oops | 23:20 |
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| crythias | come to think of it, why should I want to be on digg anyway? | 23:20 |
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| crythias | digg + front page = Error 20050524-1. Can not connect to the database. Please contact i | 23:21 |
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| snapcount | they're not running webgui? | 23:22 |
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| perlDreamer | slackers | 23:22 |
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| perlDreamer | what are they thinking | 23:22 |
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| snapcount | guess they have to learn the hard way | 23:22 |
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| snapcount | crythias: what's up with the php photo album | 23:27 |
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| snapcount | are you a commy? | 23:27 |
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| crythias | old stuff. pre qebgui | 23:28 |
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| crythias | webgui | 23:28 |
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| snapcount | ah huh | 23:28 |
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| snapcount | so | 23:28 |
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| pbmdawg | qebwui | 23:28 |
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| snapcount | where exactly were you on the night of April 5, Mr. Anderson? | 23:28 |
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| crythias | gebwui | 23:28 |
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| crythias | same reason I don't have my faq in webgui format | 23:28 |
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| snapcount | ok | 23:29 |
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| snapcount | do you guys have any ideas on how I can use my site to promote the community more? | 23:29 |
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| crythias | what community? | 23:30 |
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| snapcount | I want it to be a place for things that are too of color for pb.com | 23:30 |
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| snapcount | or too random | 23:30 |
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| snapcount | a place for us to hang out kinda | 23:30 |
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| snapcount | s/of/off | 23:30 |
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| crythias | because we want a permanent storage place for our drivel (xdanger's log aside)? | 23:30 |
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| snapcount | I don't know what we could use it for | 23:31 |
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| snapcount | that's why I'm asking | 23:31 |
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| pbmdawg | http://www.zope.org/DevHome/ | 23:31 |
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| snapcount | is there any useful/fun/entertaining thing we could do with it | 23:31 |
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| snapcount | I had one idea | 23:31 |
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| crythias | live webgui bsod's | 23:32 |
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| pbmdawg | http://dev.joomla.org/ | 23:32 |
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| snapcount | I was thinking of letting people post blog type entries | 23:32 |
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| snapcount | about anything | 23:32 |
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| snapcount | any thought, any idea | 23:32 |
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| snapcount | webgui or not | 23:32 |
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| snapcount | what are these links? | 23:33 |
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| snapcount | do I have to actually *click* on this stuff | 23:33 |
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| snapcount | c'mon guys | 23:33 |
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| crythias | because there aren't too many (myspace) other (blogspot) places (digg comments) to (blogger) do (livejournal) this (deadjournal). | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | use.perl.org | 23:33 |
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| perlDreamer | we should do this stuff in an existing community place to let people learn about WebGUI | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | instead of creating our own little place | 23:34 |
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| crythias | we could create a grou.ps ... | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | use.perl.org | 23:34 |
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| perlDreamer | perlmonks | 23:34 |
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| crythias | http://grou.ps | 23:34 |
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| xdanger | something not perl spesific.. | 23:34 |
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| snapcount | well, it's not necessarily about promoting webgui | 23:34 |
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| snapcount | it's about the people, the friendships, the things that happen | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | more like a hangout | 23:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | well | 23:35 |
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| crythias | like myspace only we don't want to hook up | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | kinda like this room is 85% of the time | 23:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | in that case it should be done with wg | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | ROFLMAO | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | that's what i'm saying | 23:35 |
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| pbmdawg | roy: oh, you mean a place for booty calls | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | I have a hosted site | 23:35 |
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| xdanger | If I had more money I would go and ha a drink with the dutch team =) | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | I'm offering it up | 23:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | you can drink a whole night on my costs | 23:36 |
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| crythias | yeah. I tried that www.ga-commenters.com | 23:36 |
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| crythias | yawn. | 23:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | you just have to come to Holland | 23:36 |
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| snapcount | wth is a ga-commenter | 23:36 |
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| crythias | google answers. | 23:36 |
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| snapcount | oh | 23:36 |
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| crythias | flash in the pan. | 23:36 |
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| snapcount | so what do you guys think? stupid idea, pointless, anything? | 23:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | It would be cool to have this community hangaout youth work thingy | 23:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | but I'm not quite sure what I would use it for | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | I could prolly even convince JT to give us a site | 23:37 |
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| crythias | we could take over pb.com/discuss/etc | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | sepearate from mine | 23:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | but until you try you don't know | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | if that would be better | 23:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | If JT doesn't want to | 23:38 |
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| crythias | I'm not interested. | 23:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | Procolix can offer a site | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | ok... let's take a quick vote | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | question is | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | is there any interest in having a webgui hangout site | 23:39 |
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| snapcount | with yet to be determined content and purpose | 23:39 |
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| snapcount | go | 23:39 |
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| crythias | If I want self immolation (sp?) I'll post on my own website | 23:39 |
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| * MrHairgrease votes blanco | 23:39 |
| snapcount | wtf does that mean? | 23:39 |
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| snapcount | no = 1 | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | neutered = 1 | 23:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | It is dutch for I don't have an opion and my vote will be added to the minority | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | yes = 0 | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | oh ok | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | so it's 1:1 | 23:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | no | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | well yes is the minority | 23:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | you can only decide that afterwards | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | oh | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | damn | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | =) | 23:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | np | 23:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | er | 23:40 |
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| crythias | I don't need 3 places to discuss wg. or make that 4 or 5 | 23:41 |
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| pbmdawg | what if blanco is the majority | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | dude | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | you don't get it | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | it's not about discussing webgui | 23:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | it cannot be the majority | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | it's a place for *us* | 23:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | only us? | 23:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | what about euroipeans =) | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | others are welcome | 23:41 |
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| * pbmdawg wants to join Roy's club | 23:42 |
| snapcount | they just have to have similar interests | 23:42 |
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| crythias | yeah and what do us have in common besides being here? | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | is it more of a gang or a club | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | or a country club | 23:42 |
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| pbmdawg | or a mafioso | 23:42 |
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| snapcount | hacking, humor, current events, free software | 23:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members. | 23:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | Groucho Marx | 23:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | http://watchfuleye.com/groucho.html | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | ok, so you say 'yes' matt? | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | we can call it a gang if that makes you happy | 23:44 |
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| * crythias gets out his pink do-rag. shizzle's all 'bout dem colorz, yo. | 23:44 |
| snapcount | I need to teach wre to handle votes | 23:45 |
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| snapcount | that would be sweet | 23:45 |
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| crythias | !vote no | 23:45 |
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| -!- crythias is now known as crythiastwin | 23:45 |
| crythiastwin | !vote no | 23:45 |
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| -!- crythiastwin is now known as crythiasothertwi | 23:46 |
| crythiasothertwi | !vote no | 23:46 |
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| MrHairgrease | stop that | 23:46 |
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| * snapcount kicks crythias with shoe because ops are b0rk3d =P | 23:46 |
| pbmdawg | vote no | 23:46 |
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| -!- crythiasothertwi [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 23:46 |
| snapcount | whoa | 23:46 |
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| snapcount | it worked | 23:46 |
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| perlDreamer | snapcount has the power | 23:47 |
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| snapcount | perlDreamer: you said no? | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | having a hard time seeing the utility | 23:47 |
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| snapcount | ok | 23:47 |
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| snapcount | so 3 no, 1 nuetered | 23:47 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll be an inverse blanco and go with the majority | 23:48 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 23:48 |
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| * pbmdawg changes his vote to blanco | 23:48 |
| snapcount | which one? | 23:48 |
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| snapcount | the inverse or normal | 23:48 |
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| snapcount | the blanco or the inverted-blanco | 23:48 |
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| perlDreamer | so blanco is the contrary vote. | 23:48 |
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| -!- crythiasothertwi is now known as crythias | 23:49 |
| * pbmdawg changes his vote to ((crythias NAND perlDreamer) NOR MrHairgrease) | 23:49 |
| perlDreamer | and inverted blanco is the go-with-the-flow vote | 23:49 |
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| snapcount | si | 23:49 |
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| perlDreamer | that's the spanish vote | 23:49 |
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| snapcount | ((1 NAND 1) NOR (1)) | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | 0 | 23:50 |
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| snapcount | 0 NOR 1 | 23:50 |
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| snapcount | 0 | 23:50 |
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| crythias | 0 | 23:50 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 23:50 |
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| crythias | nor is a lame op | 23:50 |
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| pbmdawg | b/c MrHairgrease's vote would then change | 23:50 |
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| perlDreamer | ~ | 23:51 |
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| perlDreamer | ! | 23:51 |
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| perlDreamer | NOT | 23:51 |
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| crythias | don't make me get out my kmaps | 23:51 |
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| * snapcount hurls a J/K Flip Flop at pbmdawg | 23:52 |
| perlDreamer | watch out. | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | he can make you pee out your belly button.... | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | calc urine | 23:52 |
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| WRE | urine = <pb_M-Train> Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? | 23:52 |
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| crythias | oh no | 23:52 |
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| pbmdawg | dangit; we haven't scared off BearPeep yet | 23:52 |
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| crythias | this is geeky. | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | he's building a case to K-Line us all | 23:52 |
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| perlDreamer | i'm guessing that we're pretty tame, relatively speaking | 23:52 |
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| pbmdawg | hey BearPeep | 23:53 |
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| snapcount | 12 peeps | 23:53 |
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| snapcount | is that a record? | 23:53 |
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| * crythias doesn't want to grow beebowls. Sounds itchy. | 23:53 |
| perlDreamer | 10 peeps | 23:53 |
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| perlDreamer | 2 artificial representatives | 23:53 |
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| crythias | what's the status on that form, Roy. | 23:54 |
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| crythias | ? | 23:54 |
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| crythias | dang. | 23:54 |
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| crythias | did I offend? | 23:54 |
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| * crythias sniffs his pits. | 23:55 |
| snapcount | JT knows about it | 23:55 |
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| snapcount | I told him on the phone | 23:55 |
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| perlDreamer | how's the EMS? | 23:55 |
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| snapcount | but he's busy | 23:55 |
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| crythias | figure. | 23:55 |
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| crythias | time is stinky. It has flies. or something. | 23:55 |
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| crythias | gtg | 23:56 |
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| snapcount | perlDreamer: goal is to finish this week | 23:56 |
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| snapcount | it's a lofty goal | 23:56 |
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| crythias | laterness | 23:56 |
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| snapcount | ok | 23:57 |
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| snapcount | so the final vote was no | 23:57 |
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| snapcount | well, here's the thing | 23:57 |
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| snapcount | if you guys have ideas about how to build the community | 23:57 |
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| snapcount | I want to hear about it | 23:57 |
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| pbmdawg | I have some ideas | 23:58 |
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| snapcount | the representative from Kansas, has the floor | 23:58 |
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| snapcount | uh, hum! | 23:59 |
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| snapcount | the representative from Kansas, has the floor | 23:59 |
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| pbmdawg | why don't we all start collaborating on new wobjects or something. | 23:59 |
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| pbmdawg | or the theme system for 7.0 | 23:59 |
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| pbmdawg | or a templated, pluggable pagination system | 23:59 |
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| pbmdawg | or whatever else needs to be done | 23:59 |
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| pbmdawg | or a wikipedia wobject | 00:00 |
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| pbmdawg | or a newsletter campaign wobject | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | the problem isn't things to do | 00:00 |
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| pbmdawg | or mailing lists for CS's in 7.0 | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | we have plenty to do | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | we need more people to help | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | how can we build the community base | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | encourage volunteers | 00:00 |
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| pbmdawg | WebGUI is unusable, currently | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | support them | 00:00 |
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| perlDreamer | that's why I think we should start doing stuff over on use.perl.org | 00:00 |
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| pbmdawg | nobody is going to join the community | 00:00 |
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| snapcount | how is it unusable? | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | you're joking right? | 00:01 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | I use it | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | so do a lot of other websites | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | ? | 00:01 |
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| pbmdawg | it's only useful to a very tiny set of people | 00:01 |
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| pbmdawg | and it's on nobody's radar. | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | so what's your point | 00:01 |
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| snapcount | I'm trying to connect the dots here | 00:02 |
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| pbmdawg | it's only useful to those who have their own server, or can use mod_perl on their host | 00:02 |
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| snapcount | what can we do about that? | 00:02 |
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| pbmdawg | that limits it to only people who have a financial interest in selecting a CMS or web app platform | 00:02 |
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| pbmdawg | hobbyists and 98% of web hosts/sites are excluded | 00:03 |
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| snapcount | so you're saying we can't have a community because only people with money can use WebGUI? | 00:03 |
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| pbmdawg | I'm not saying we can't have a community | 00:03 |
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| pbmdawg | I'm saying with the state of webgui currently, it's software for enterprises. | 00:03 |
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| snapcount | ok | 00:03 |
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| perlDreamer | or churches | 00:03 |
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| snapcount | that may be | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | or soccer sites | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | or governments | 00:04 |
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| snapcount | but we want to build the community | 00:04 |
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| snapcount | how is this related? | 00:04 |
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| perlDreamer | if you want gold, you have to go to the hills | 00:04 |
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| pbmdawg | the demo system is great | 00:04 |
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| pbmdawg | but it's just so limited. | 00:04 |
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| pbmdawg | not to mention crappy looking | 00:04 |
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| pbmdawg | and broken-looking in IE | 00:04 |
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| pbmdawg | there aren't any apps in it that are whiz-bang anymore (maybe 3-4 years ago) | 00:05 |
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| snapcount | what does this have to do with building the community? | 00:05 |
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| pbmdawg | I'm saying | 00:05 |
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| pbmdawg | nobody is going to join the community because of these things | 00:05 |
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| pbmdawg | these are blocking growth of the community | 00:05 |
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| snapcount | so you're saying to build the community we could fix those problems? | 00:06 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah. write 50 more foss apps for webgui, and throw out the god-awful green/red style, and you might have a decent start | 00:06 |
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| pbmdawg | but if you want me to tell you how I really feel....... | 00:07 |
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| snapcount | ok... I'd say 7.0 addresses a lot of those things | 00:07 |
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| snapcount | new style(s) | 00:07 |
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| snapcount | more apps | 00:07 |
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| snapcount | more features | 00:07 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah, but more apps for enterprises. | 00:07 |
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| pbmdawg | and probably styles for enterprises | 00:07 |
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| perlDreamer | snapcount: do you mean user community or developer community? | 00:07 |
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| snapcount | both really | 00:08 |
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| pbmdawg | totally separate animals. | 00:08 |
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| snapcount | but right now I'm focused more on contributors | 00:08 |
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| snapcount | volunteers | 00:08 |
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| snapcount | developers, testers, doc writers | 00:08 |
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| pbmdawg | developers go where the perceived money/fame is | 00:08 |
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| snapcount | ok | 00:08 |
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| pbmdawg | and you can't have that without a big user community | 00:08 |
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| snapcount | how can I give our volunteer developers more fame | 00:09 |
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| snapcount | I got Martin on newsforge | 00:09 |
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| snapcount | and 3 other high traffic sites | 00:09 |
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| pbmdawg | doesn't mean much, in context. | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | when WebGUI is cool, then you can give people fame by associating them with it | 00:09 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah. | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | or, using Matt's comment earlier, until it's on the Radar, not much else will happen | 00:09 |
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| perlDreamer | when people talk about WebGUI like they do Bricolage, then you know you're successful | 00:10 |
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| snapcount | I've never heard of Bricolage until I started hanging out with you guys | 00:10 |
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| snapcount | I heard PHP*, and Mambo | 00:10 |
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| pbmdawg | or joomla/mambo, or wordpress, or zope/plone | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | I used Bricolage because it's perl based. | 00:11 |
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| pbmdawg | or even sharepoint. or websphere. or lotus notes. or any of the java app servers. | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | We need someone giving an OSCON talk about WebGUI | 00:11 |
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| snapcount | so what makes them so much better from a community standpoint | 00:11 |
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| snapcount | feature wise, they are not better | 00:11 |
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| nuba | i'd say zope/plone, too. | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | they are different | 00:11 |
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| pbmdawg | not from an enterprise developer's perspective, you're right. | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | it's not an application framework | 00:11 |
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| nuba | visibility | 00:11 |
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| perlDreamer | visibility | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | ++$nuba | 00:12 |
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| pbmdawg | you're right, WebGUI is easier to develop apps on | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | can't develop apps on Bric | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | it doesn't do apps | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | it only manages content | 00:12 |
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| perlDreamer | approval chains, publication, etc. | 00:12 |
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| pbmdawg | but all the others are far easier to install a bazillion tiny applets | 00:12 |
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| pbmdawg | or plugins | 00:12 |
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| pbmdawg | or themes | 00:12 |
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| pbmdawg | b/c every single small time n-tier shared hoster supports the php ones. | 00:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | So make a plugin installer interface in the admin console | 00:13 |
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| nuba | i wish people had the "yeah you mean that cool portal building app" look when i pronounce "webgui" | 00:13 |
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| nuba | they have "that" look when i say "zope" in brazil | 00:13 |
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| nuba | but instead.. "imsorry, webwhat?" | 00:14 |
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| pbmdawg | it's like hollywood. | 00:14 |
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| snapcount | ok. so what if we made a huge push to have people write contribs for 7.0 | 00:14 |
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| nuba | oh since we're at it, i think webgui was a poor name choice, globally-wise | 00:14 |
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| nuba | but well, we can live with it | 00:14 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah | 00:14 |
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| chansen | how does the release schedule look like, when is next major release? | 00:14 |
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| pbmdawg | way too far away | 00:14 |
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| MrHairgrease | I once opted for WebMeister | 00:14 |
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| nuba | its not brand-able like zope, plone, wiki, mambo, etc. | 00:15 |
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| snapcount | 6.99 is may 1 I think | 00:15 |
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| snapcount | anything is brandable | 00:15 |
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| pbmdawg | 'tis not a major release. | 00:15 |
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| snapcount | how? | 00:15 |
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| pbmdawg | only <5 people will install 6.99 | 00:15 |
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| snapcount | it's 7.0 beta | 00:15 |
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| pbmdawg | maybe 10 | 00:15 |
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| snapcount | that's doesn't have anything to do with how big the release is | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | sure it does. | 00:16 |
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| chansen | may, good. will buy me some time for auth stuff | 00:16 |
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| snapcount | popularity? | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | no | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | usability | 00:16 |
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| nuba | i think it sounds somewhat generic. like "web gui". think "car fuel". you can have a petrol station named "carfuel" but how fun is that ? | 00:16 |
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| pbmdawg | practicality | 00:16 |
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| nuba | or how unique does it sounds? | 00:17 |
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| pbmdawg | amount of change over previous releases. | 00:17 |
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| nuba | well dont look me that way, i love webgui :) | 00:17 |
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| snapcount | matt, what release has ever had more changes? | 00:17 |
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| MrHairgrease | 6.2.11 -> 6.3? | 00:18 |
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| pbmdawg | much of it are backend changes. | 00:18 |
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| pbmdawg | adding workflow will not be terribly useful to people initially, I'm guessing. | 00:18 |
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| pbmdawg | but again, that's a developer-level change, mostly. | 00:18 |
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| perlDreamer | it will be useful | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | I guarantee it | 00:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | Well, to add some eyecandy to webgui | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | the startDate and endDate functions were removed from assets | 00:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | I'm still busy with building a grahping engine | 00:19 |
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| perlDreamer | people will be using workflow right away | 00:19 |
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| snapcount | alright... let's focus | 00:19 |
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| snapcount | let's work on the things we can change | 00:19 |
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| snapcount | the stuff we can do now | 00:19 |
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| pbmdawg | I guess what I'm suggesting is.. | 00:20 |
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| snapcount | are you writing a manifesto? =) | 00:21 |
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| pbmdawg | if you want developers, you need users. To get users, you need to put it in their hands. The demo system doesn't quite do that b/c it looks crappy in IE and is very limited in functionality. We need some kind of hosted social app like myspace or something, where people can customize stuff. you know, actually do something with a webgui site other than write database applications for enterprises. | 00:21 |
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| perlDreamer | so if the demo system looked cool that would be good? | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | I see your point | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | that will be fixed with 7 | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | or 6.99 | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | there are at least three default styles | 00:22 |
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| snapcount | all new | 00:22 |
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| perlDreamer | but are they cool? | 00:22 |
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| pbmdawg | I'll withhold judgment till I see 'em | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | I haven't seen them | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | ok | 00:23 |
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| pbmdawg | not that Steve's work hasn't been entirely cool up to this point, which it has. | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | I heard some really good ideas | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to list them in what I think would have the most impact | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | that we can control | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | and do something about | 00:23 |
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| snapcount | 1) Easier to install apps/plugins/styles | 00:24 |
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| snapcount | this is all about the wre control panel | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | not necessarily | 00:24 |
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| pbmdawg | (if you do it the way you wanted to, roy, which incidentally I agree with) | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | Not all WebGUI users will be using the WRE | 00:24 |
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| perlDreamer | take me for instance | 00:24 |
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| snapcount | true | 00:24 |
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| snapcount | ok | 00:25 |
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| snapcount | what about franks asset installer | 00:25 |
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| snapcount | that's pretty easy | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | it's okay | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | but you can't do it through the interface | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | WebGUI requires command line access | 00:25 |
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| snapcount | so a way to install wobjects from admin console? | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | or macros | 00:25 |
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| perlDreamer | translations | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | styles | 00:26 |
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| perlDreamer | help docs | 00:26 |
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| snapcount | problem with that is that the code effects all sites | 00:26 |
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| snapcount | styles don't | 00:26 |
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| snapcount | but the others do | 00:26 |
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| pbmdawg | I suggested this to JT last year, who replied with "I hope you're kidding, b/c you're fired if you're not" | 00:26 |
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| snapcount | I've heard that line before | 00:27 |
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| pbmdawg | anyways. | 00:27 |
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| snapcount | so, that's why I said wre control panel | 00:27 |
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| pbmdawg | what's your #2 | 00:27 |
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| snapcount | b/c of the shared code | 00:27 |
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| snapcount | #2 is user contribs | 00:28 |
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| snapcount | styles, wobjects, macros | 00:28 |
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| pbmdawg | we also need a way to serialize a whole webgui site. | 00:28 |
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| pbmdawg | users, assets, groups, settings, all of it. | 00:28 |
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| pbmdawg | so sites can be exported and imported. | 00:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | calc sacked I hope you're kidding, b/c you're fired if you're not | 00:29 |
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| pbmdawg | so someone can create a demo and then copy it to their home machine. | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | 6.99 is to a point where we can start making contribs again | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | the big changes are done | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | and mostly working | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | i.e., session | 00:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | serializing a site would be cool | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | so, the big list of apps matt said | 00:29 |
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| snapcount | we could build those | 00:30 |
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| snapcount | and contribute them | 00:30 |
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| snapcount | maybe get them in the core | 00:30 |
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| snapcount | we need a place to list all of the ideas for app plug ins | 00:30 |
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| snapcount | and let people vote on them | 00:30 |
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| perlDreamer | like JT's new karma RFE system? | 00:30 |
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| pbmdawg | I think JT mentioned something like that at the last wuc. | 00:30 |
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| snapcount | I think this is where JT is going with the new karma system | 00:30 |
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| pbmdawg | but it's way way too late | 00:31 |
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| perlDreamer | it's in 6.99 now | 00:31 |
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| snapcount | well, we don't have to wait for that | 00:31 |
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| pbmdawg | sort of. | 00:31 |
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| snapcount | we could use a poll | 00:31 |
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| snapcount | even if just developers vote | 00:31 |
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| pbmdawg | we need them all | 00:31 |
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| pbmdawg | all are highest priority | 00:31 |
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| pbmdawg | anything anyone suggests, we need. | 00:31 |
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| snapcount | so submit RFE's for each asset. | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | and recruit people to build them | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | and contribute them | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | you can rank them | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | and track who is working on it | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | if people really want it | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | #3 | 00:32 |
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| snapcount | style imports | 00:33 |
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| snapcount | easily changing the look of your site | 00:33 |
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| snapcount | i.e., downloading themes | 00:33 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to do this after EMS is done | 00:33 |
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| snapcount | the idea right now is something like this | 00:33 |
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| snapcount | you can import the theme via url | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | so, you can have a site that has 'feeds' of styles | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | the admin console will list all styles at a server | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | site | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | whatever | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | and you can select them | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | thoughts on this? | 00:35 |
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| pbmdawg | how does it apply? | 00:35 |
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| pbmdawg | just using editBranch? | 00:35 |
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| snapcount | it will show up as a style | 00:36 |
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| pbmdawg | that will only cover styles of assets only, not subtemplates of assets.\ | 00:36 |
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| pbmdawg | such as the various templates in a CS | 00:36 |
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| snapcount | that's true | 00:36 |
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| snapcount | how can we address that | 00:36 |
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| pbmdawg | writing a Theme asset. and a Theme Manager wobject. | 00:36 |
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| snapcount | how would that work? | 00:37 |
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| pbmdawg | I wrote the spec up a year ago, but I don't think I have it any more. | 00:37 |
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| pbmdawg | it wasn't difficult or complicated. | 00:38 |
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| pbmdawg | you are presented with a tree of your site's asset system when you go to apply a theme, and you select the nodes and optionally all their descendants to apply the theme to, along with which types of assets and their subtemplates to apply the template settings to. | 00:39 |
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| perlDreamer | wouldn't it just be better to make styles apply to subtemplates? | 00:39 |
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| pbmdawg | I don't know what you mean | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | (14:42:19) pbmdawg: that will only cover styles of assets only, not subtemplates of assets.\ | 00:40 |
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| pbmdawg | that's what I said | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | so make the theme system do _everything_ | 00:40 |
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| pbmdawg | that's what I'm saying. | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | not just style templates | 00:40 |
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| perlDreamer | but you can do that without a new asset/wobject combo | 00:40 |
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| pbmdawg | I don't believe so. | 00:40 |
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| pbmdawg | unless you build it into the Asset mixin. | 00:41 |
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| pbmdawg | the logic about how the various templates interrelate has to be stored somewhere. | 00:41 |
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| snapcount | what if it did this | 00:42 |
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| snapcount | when you export a theme, it gets all templates | 00:42 |
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| snapcount | then all you would need | 00:42 |
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| snapcount | is a way to associate all of them | 00:42 |
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| snapcount | with one selection | 00:42 |
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| snapcount | i.e., Bannana style -- Bannana CS Thread, etc | 00:43 |
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| snapcount | like a namespace | 00:43 |
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| snapcount | for the look of the site | 00:43 |
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| snapcount | selecting this namespace from the list would do an edit branch on the site to apply all of the styles and subtemplates | 00:44 |
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| snapcount | if someone doesn't have a subtemplate defined for an asset, it would retain the default | 00:45 |
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| pbmdawg | people may not want to convert their entire site. | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | ok | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | so we give an option like the nav def | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | where to start | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | how far to go | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | whatever | 00:45 |
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| pbmdawg | that's what I was describing above. | 00:45 |
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| snapcount | how is that an asset though? | 00:45 |
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| perlDreamer | it's an operation | 00:46 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah, it's more of an operation. | 00:46 |
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| snapcount | my god | 00:46 |
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| snapcount | we all agree on something | 00:47 |
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| perlDreamer | no we don't! | 00:47 |
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| * snapcount panics =) | 00:47 |
| perlDreamer | yes we do | 00:47 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 00:47 |
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| snapcount | here's my thing guys | 00:47 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't want to see your thing | 00:47 |
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| snapcount | there is a lot of negative energy | 00:47 |
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| * snapcount goes hippy on you | 00:47 |
| snapcount | a lot of despair | 00:47 |
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| snapcount | I want to fix this | 00:47 |
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| snapcount | I want to make this fun and rewarding for those of you that do stuff | 00:48 |
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| snapcount | catch my drift | 00:49 |
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| perlDreamer | that's the thing about OS software though | 00:49 |
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| perlDreamer | most of it is internally rewarding | 00:49 |
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| perlDreamer | you're still thinking cathedral | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | read this: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/onlamp/2006/02/27/what-corp-projects-learn-from-open-source.html | 00:50 |
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| WRE | <perlDreamer> http://tinyurl.com/zewnh | 00:50 |
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| perlDreamer | thanks, WRE | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I've read the book | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I know what you're saying | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | good, then I'm preaching to the choir | 00:51 |
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| perlDreamer | can I get a hallelujah, brother? | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | not really | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I just didn't see myself as thinking that way | 00:52 |
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| snapcount | but maybe I am | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | how many perl hackers get promos/kudos for working on perl | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | few | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | very, very few | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | but perl is fun to work on | 00:52 |
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| pbmdawg | so perl6 takes decades to produce itself. | 00:52 |
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| perlDreamer | that's actually different from perl itself | 00:53 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm talking CPAN authors | 00:53 |
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| perlDreamer | core hackers | 00:53 |
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| pbmdawg | ah | 00:53 |
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| perlDreamer | think more like Pugs | 00:54 |
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| perlDreamer | people just hacking for the sheer fun of it | 00:54 |
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| snapcount | so what we need then is not recognition or incentives | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | we need to find more hackers | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | we need to make hacking webgui fun | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | and easy | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | I think it's pretty easy | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | the API is good | 00:55 |
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| perlDreamer | chansen, you still around? | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | I don't know how to make it fun | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | it just is for me | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | me, too | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | why is it fun for you? | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | I like solving problems | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | why WebGUI then? | 00:56 |
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| perlDreamer | why not something else? | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | the people I guess | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | and I believe in Plainblack | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | I think WebGUI will be the best | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | and I want to be a part of that | 00:57 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 00:57 |
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| perlDreamer | when you figure out how to tell other people that in a way that convinces them, you'll succeed in building the community | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | we need a propaganda machine | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | >=) | 00:58 |
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| perlDreamer | that would help, but each of us as developers can actually do more than a marketing machine. | 00:58 |
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| perlDreamer | because community is about building relationships | 00:59 |
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| perlDreamer | marketing will make people use it, or be interested | 00:59 |
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| perlDreamer | but dreaming about being part of something great will make them hack it! | 00:59 |
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| snapcount | [17:58] <perlDreamer> because community is about building relationships | 00:59 |
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| snapcount | where have I heard that before? | 00:59 |
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| snapcount | that's a quote from something | 00:59 |
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| perlDreamer | Tim O'Reilly? | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | maybe | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | !g community relationships | 01:00 |
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| WRE | Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=community+relationships&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | I don't know | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | it just sounds really familiar | 01:00 |
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| perlDreamer | I was going to ask chansen if he remembered his response to Frank about when the Auth plugins were going to be done | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | he said he'd looked at the code and found that it was going to take a whole lot longer to clean it up than he originally thought | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | it's not fun to work on bad code | 01:02 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't think that's as important as relationships, but it's not far behind | 01:03 |
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| perlDreamer | I think we need to live and breathe Perl Best Practices | 01:03 |
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| * pbmdawg crosses his heart and hopes to die. I think we should seriously consider porting (a version of?) webgui to php. | 01:04 |
| pbmdawg | lol j/k folks. | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | that's ridiculous | 01:05 |
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| pbmdawg | just trying to make your hearts stop | 01:05 |
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| perlDreamer | didn't someone already do that? | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | oh | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | webPhooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | heh | 01:07 |
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| snapcount | http://www.webphooey.org/ | 01:07 |
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| snapcount | last updated oct 6 2005 | 01:09 |
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| snapcount | wasn't that right around the WUC 2005 | 01:10 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 01:10 |
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| snapcount | I bet he gave up | 01:10 |
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| perlDreamer | who was doing it? | 01:11 |
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| snapcount | that kid from unc I think | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | for a second I thought it was you... | 01:11 |
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| snapcount | me? | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | you | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | usted | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | vu | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | tu | 01:11 |
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| perlDreamer | sie | 01:11 |
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| snapcount | like a second recently? | 01:11 |
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| snapcount | or a second in the distant past? | 01:12 |
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| perlDreamer | both | 01:12 |
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| * snapcount looks puzzled | 01:12 |
| * perlDreamer was confused | 01:12 |
| snapcount | i think his last name is johnson | 01:12 |
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| snapcount | maybe that's why | 01:12 |
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| perlDreamer | online, all you johnson's look alike | 01:13 |
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| snapcount | heh | 01:13 |
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| snapcount | !vote does this work? | 01:22 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Activated ]:------------ --- -- - | 01:22 |
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| WRE | ( -:- does this work? | 01:22 |
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| WRE | `--:[ To vote, type/msg !yes or !no. 1 min limit ]:----- --- -- - | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | !yes | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | perlDreamer | 01:22 |
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| perlDreamer | !blanco | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | vote now or lose everything | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | yes or no | 01:22 |
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| perlDreamer | !yes | 01:23 |
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| snapcount | I wonder what it does after 1 min is up? | 01:23 |
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| perlDreamer | !yes | 01:23 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Ended ]:------------ --- -- - | 01:24 |
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| WRE | ( -:- Vote Tally: Yes 2 No 0 | 01:24 |
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| WRE | `--:[ QuickVote v1.02.01 by David Proper (DrN) ]:----- --- -- - | 01:24 |
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| snapcount | cool | 01:24 |
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| snapcount | time for me to go | 01:25 |
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| perlDreamer | l8r | 01:25 |
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| snapcount | see ya guys | 01:25 |
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| pbmdawg | !yes | 01:34 |
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| pbmdawg | !vote is WRE stupid? | 01:35 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Activated ]:------------ --- -- - | 01:35 |
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| WRE | ( -:- is WRE stupid? | 01:35 |
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| WRE | `--:[ To vote, type/msg !yes or !no. 1 min limit ]:----- --- -- - | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | !yes | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | !yes | 01:35 |
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| pbmdawg | !Yes | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | !yes | 01:35 |
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| pbmdawg | !yes | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | !oh yes | 01:35 |
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| pbmdawg | !yes | 01:35 |
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| pbmdawg | !yes | 01:35 |
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| pbmdawg | !yes | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | !most definitely | 01:35 |
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| perlDreamer | change your nick and see if you can spoof it | 01:35 |
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| -!- pbmdawg is now known as stupid | 01:35 |
| stupid | !yes | 01:35 |
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| -!- stupid is now known as pbmdawg | 01:35 |
| perlDreamer | now we wait | 01:35 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Ended ]:------------ --- -- - | 01:36 |
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| WRE | ( -:- Vote Tally: Yes 3 No 0 | 01:36 |
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| WRE | `--:[ QuickVote v1.02.01 by David Proper (DrN) ]:----- --- -- - | 01:36 |
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| perlDreamer | oh boy | 01:36 |
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| perlDreamer | ballot stuffing | 01:36 |
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| chansen | perlDreamer: pong | 01:36 |
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| perlDreamer | pong? | 01:36 |
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| perlDreamer | oh, from earlier | 01:36 |
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| perlDreamer | what's your honest opinion of the WebGUI code base? | 01:37 |
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| chansen | you don't want to know ;) | 01:37 |
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| perlDreamer | no, I really want to know | 01:37 |
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| pbmdawg | yes we do | 01:37 |
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| chansen | This will be from my limited experience from the code base. | 01:38 |
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| pbmdawg | which version | 01:38 |
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| perlDreamer | dude, you're sanctified | 01:38 |
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| perlDreamer | just lay it out | 01:38 |
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| chansen | WebGUI reinvents to many wheels in the first place, things are looking better | 01:38 |
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| chansen | WebGUI uses globals/singletons/static classes which scares the hell out of me | 01:38 |
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| chansen | WebGUI's motto seem to be human testing instead of machine tests, this is improving :) | 01:39 |
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| perlDreamer | so what's bad and not improving? | 01:40 |
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| pbmdawg | globals/singletons/static ? | 01:40 |
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| perlDreamer | $session was a global | 01:40 |
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| pbmdawg | right, but that's irrelevant now. | 01:40 |
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| perlDreamer | static classes are those with manually written constructors and accessors | 01:40 |
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| perlDreamer | chansen, am I right about that? | 01:41 |
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| chansen | yes, also touches reinvented weels | 01:41 |
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| pbmdawg | what is a singleton | 01:42 |
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| perlDreamer | object that only allows one of itself | 01:42 |
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| perlDreamer | like Log::Log4perl | 01:42 |
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| chansen | and one more thing, WebGUI does almost no parameter/argument validation which in the end will bite you | 01:42 |
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| perlDreamer | you mean on a per sub basis | 01:43 |
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| chansen | yes, there is aslo strong and weak singletons | 01:43 |
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| chansen | yes | 01:43 |
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| perlDreamer | so what isn't getting better about WebGUI, aside from parameter validation? | 01:44 |
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| chansen | the WebGUI's sql | 01:45 |
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| chansen | looks like php ;P | 01:45 |
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| chansen | seriously, placeholders is better and faster | 01:45 |
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| chansen | WebGUI::SQL looks like crap IMO, find a better ORM on CPAN | 01:46 |
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| chansen | I realise that what I'm saying is not what you want to hear, but if WebGUI want press or attract serious hackers it needs to adopt to the present standards | 01:47 |
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| perlDreamer | Actually, it's exactly what I want to hear | 01:48 |
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| perlDreamer | because it's an objective view of the codebase | 01:48 |
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| chansen | and the I18N stuff does not look good either, Locale::Maketext which is a defacto standard does a much better and accurate job | 01:50 |
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| perlDreamer | I talked with JT about that, and he said that none of the CPAN locale modules would handle all of our needs. | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | it was good for labeling, but not large documentation | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | paragraphs and paragraphs of text | 01:51 |
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| chansen | no, Locale::Maketext handles large chunks of text | 01:51 |
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| perlDreamer | embedded HTML, too? | 01:52 |
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| chansen | yes | 01:52 |
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| chansen | use gettext which is _the_ defacto for open source | 01:52 |
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| chansen | and there is plenty of tools to work and update catalogs/messages, both GUI and CLI | 01:53 |
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| chansen | WebGUI has no seperation between models or controllers which also make things more messy | 01:54 |
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| chansen | and sometimes even presentation code is mixed with those | 01:55 |
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| chansen | WebGUI has a nice OOBE, but when it comes to customising/extending it's kind of limiting without hacking/messing with the core stuff | 01:59 |
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| chansen | If you have any questions just ask/yell ;) | 02:00 |
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| crythias | ack | 02:01 |
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| crythias | Im going to cry | 02:02 |
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| pbmdawg | why are you going to cry. | 02:04 |
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| crythias | I can't read | 02:04 |
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| crythias | 6x$18 | 02:04 |
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| crythias | I'm going to scream | 02:04 |
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| perlDreamer | oy | 02:04 |
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| crythias | yeah oy | 02:04 |
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| crythias | if they wont credit me, I'm going to be irritated | 02:04 |
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| pbmdawg | 6x$18 ? | 02:05 |
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| pbmdawg | for what | 02:05 |
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| perlDreamer | hosting | 02:05 |
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| pbmdawg | with whom | 02:06 |
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| crythias | doteasy | 02:13 |
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| crythias | all their add-ons are for 6 month increments | 02:13 |
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| crythias | now to see what I can do to cancel | 02:14 |
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| perlDreamer | still don't have no stinking ops | 07:20 |
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| perlDreamer | or unstinking ops | 07:20 |
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| perlDreamer | just a bot | 07:20 |
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| perlDreamer | and a guy in Florida with a small dog | 07:21 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 07:21 |
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| perlDreamer | and a loud mouthed hacker in Portland with a new laptop | 07:21 |
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| snapcount | new laptop eh? | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 07:22 |
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| snapcount | do tell | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | Inspiron 6000 | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | 1 Gb memory | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | 40 Gb hard drive | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | 9 cell battery | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | should run Linux pretty easily | 07:22 |
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| snapcount | cool | 07:22 |
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| snapcount | did you design the battery? =) | 07:22 |
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| perlDreamer | no, my group doesn't do laptop products | 07:23 |
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| perlDreamer | cell phones, PDAs, MP3 players, cameras | 07:23 |
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| perlDreamer | and soon, power tools | 07:23 |
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| snapcount | so you did the battery in my nano | 07:23 |
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| perlDreamer | It's possible | 07:23 |
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| perlDreamer | cut it open and look for a chip ID starting with DS | 07:23 |
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| snapcount | what about my samsung a940 | 07:23 |
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| perlDreamer | cell phone? | 07:24 |
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| perlDreamer | I think we're in some samsung cell phones | 07:24 |
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| perlDreamer | how many battery terminals does it have? | 07:24 |
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| snapcount | I'm not sure | 07:25 |
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| snapcount | I guess I could look | 07:25 |
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| snapcount | =0 | 07:25 |
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| perlDreamer | Kathy says hi | 07:25 |
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| snapcount | hi Kathy! | 07:26 |
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| snapcount | WOO HOO | 07:26 |
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| snapcount | YES YES YES | 07:26 |
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| snapcount | I GOT IT | 07:26 |
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| snapcount | wre binary for FC4 is working | 07:27 |
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| perlDreamer | cool! I'll be talking to you in about 8 working days | 07:27 |
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| snapcount | huh? | 07:27 |
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| snapcount | 8 working days? | 07:27 |
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| perlDreamer | When the new laptop gets here | 07:27 |
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| snapcount | ahh | 07:27 |
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| perlDreamer | of course, you realize that it's only about 3 weeks 'til FC5 comes out, right? | 07:27 |
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| snapcount | terje should be happy | 07:28 |
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| snapcount | he asked for this on Thursday | 07:28 |
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| perlDreamer | Is terje a hacker or a business type? | 07:28 |
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| snapcount | that's ok | 07:28 |
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| snapcount | he's a sysadmin I think | 07:28 |
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| snapcount | I haven't talked to him a whole lot | 07:29 |
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| snapcount | I'm not sure how much of a programmer he is | 07:29 |
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| perlDreamer | Am I like the only volunteer perl hacker? | 07:29 |
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| snapcount | well, the dutch guys | 07:29 |
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| snapcount | but procolix pays them | 07:29 |
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| snapcount | so I don't know if they count | 07:29 |
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| snapcount | there were some others | 07:30 |
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| snapcount | but they've been quiet lately | 07:30 |
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| snapcount | ebruni | 07:30 |
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| snapcount | fishingfan | 07:30 |
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| snapcount | dpuro | 07:30 |
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| snapcount | they drifted away somewhere in the middle of 6.x | 07:30 |
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| perlDreamer | rapid changes will do that | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | crap | 07:31 |
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| perlDreamer | only us certified whackos stick that kind of stuff out | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | I can't remember how to upload to sf | 07:31 |
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| perlDreamer | logged in? | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | you ftp to some addr | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | I can't remember what it is | 07:31 |
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| perlDreamer | did JT email it to you? | 07:31 |
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| snapcount | I guess I could look at the scripts on the pb servers that push the releases | 07:31 |
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| perlDreamer | there you go! | 07:32 |
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| snapcount | upload.sf.net | 07:32 |
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| snapcount | doh | 07:32 |
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| snapcount | ! | 07:32 |
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| perlDreamer | got time for an upgrade question? | 07:32 |
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| snapcount | sure | 07:36 |
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| perlDreamer | okay, we start with a 6.99 version of WebGUI | 07:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I need to rename 1 Help and 1 i18n file | 07:36 |
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| perlDreamer | Help/Wobject.pm goes to Help/Asset_Wobject.pm | 07:36 |
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| perlDreamer | and likewise for i18n/English/Wobject.pm | 07:36 |
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| perlDreamer | I know now to fix this in SVN, but writing the upgrade script is giving me a headache | 07:37 |
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| snapcount | system("mv path/to/Help/Wobject.pm /path/to/Help/Asset_Wobject.pm"); | 07:37 |
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| snapcount | that should work on win32 also | 07:38 |
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| snapcount | but I'm not 100% on that | 07:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I thought of that, but mv will fail on anyone running it on SVN | 07:38 |
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| perlDreamer | since the source files don't exist | 07:38 |
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| snapcount | what do you mean they don't exist? | 07:38 |
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| snapcount | oh i see | 07:38 |
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| snapcount | you can do this | 07:39 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll just check for existence before running the system call | 07:39 |
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| snapcount | yep | 07:39 |
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| perlDreamer | cool | 07:39 |
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| snapcount | read my mind | 07:39 |
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| perlDreamer | then I can start working on the other two thing I volunteered to do for JT. | 07:39 |
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| snapcount | don't forget about EMS =) | 07:39 |
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| perlDreamer | I won't | 07:39 |
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| snapcount | should be a lot of stuff checked in this week | 07:39 |
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| perlDreamer | cool. | 07:40 |
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| perlDreamer | more forms? | 07:40 |
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| * snapcount crosses his fingers | 07:40 |
| snapcount | prolly | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | I don't even know right now | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | I'm so tired | 07:40 |
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| perlDreamer | Do you know that everyone who talks to me from PB says that? | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | my upload has started | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | haha | 07:40 |
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| perlDreamer | Y'all work way too hard | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | we all have a habbit of working too much | 07:40 |
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| snapcount | small company | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | we have to | 07:41 |
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| perlDreamer | and you're going to school, too | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | 16 credits | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | yippee | 07:41 |
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| perlDreamer | what are you studying? | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | obviously spelling is not my thing | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | this time I'm doing business | 07:41 |
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| perlDreamer | why? | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | I've already done programming | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | the universal degree | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | works anywhere | 07:41 |
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| perlDreamer | ah | 07:41 |
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| snapcount | also, good to think from a business perspective | 07:42 |
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| perlDreamer | true | 07:42 |
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| perlDreamer | JT does that a lot | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | exactly | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | I'm supposed to be his mini-me | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | I've got a ways to go | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | =) | 07:42 |
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| perlDreamer | You need to start growing a beard | 07:42 |
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| perlDreamer | and scowl | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | uh no | 07:42 |
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| snapcount | I'm far from anti-social | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | JT is not the best with people | 07:43 |
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| perlDreamer | you don't have to be anti-social, just scowl a lot | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | haha | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | alright man, I'm done | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | time for bed | 07:43 |
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| snapcount | $self->sleep(60*60*7.5); | 07:44 |
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| perlDreamer | crash hard, sleep well | 07:44 |
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| snapcount | thanks | 07:44 |
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| snapcount | goodnight | 07:44 |
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| perlDreamer | night! | 07:44 |
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| snapcount | good morning my peeps | 16:40 |
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| pbmdawg | good morning mr. sir. | 16:46 |
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| -!- snapcount changed the topic of #WebGUI to: terje, your fc4 binary is done | 16:47 |
| snapcount | terje! | 16:54 |
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| snapcount | wake up | 16:54 |
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| snapcount | roll out of bed | 16:54 |
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| chansen | ho folks | 16:55 |
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| snapcount | what'd you call me? =) | 16:55 |
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| * chansen s/ho/hi/ # I'm not Santa ;) | 16:55 |
| snapcount | heh | 16:56 |
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| pbmdawg | hidy ho | 16:56 |
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| * snapcount slaps terje around a bit with a large trout | 17:44 |
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| pbmdawg | cry! | 18:01 |
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| crythias | wah | 18:02 |
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| * crythias sets the topic to: Your STD test results are in. Please see the Doctor ASAP. | 18:03 |
| crythias | ops! Now! | 18:04 |
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| crythias | gimme ops, before I start whining! | 18:04 |
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| * crythias fumes, pants, snarls. | 18:05 |
| pbmdawg | /op crythias | 18:05 |
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| * crythias calms down. Temperature is back to a nominal 98.6 | 18:05 |
| crythias | digg: research shows that 98.6 is too hot a temperature for humans. Global warming has raised human temperatures over time, (we used to average 97 degrees!) | 18:07 |
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| * snapcount hurls a tranq dart at crythias | 18:07 |
| crythias | urlk | 18:07 |
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| snapcount | sleep crythias....sleep now....don't fight it | 18:07 |
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| * crythias 's eyes gloss over | 18:07 |
| snapcount | hehe | 18:08 |
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| * crythias 's pupils increase to the size of saucers. | 18:08 |
| snapcount | terje, lurking will make you go blind | 18:08 |
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| crythias | thunk! | 18:08 |
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| crythias | must. keep. typin.... | 18:09 |
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| crythias | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 18:09 |
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| snapcount | he is pretty wound up today | 18:09 |
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| snapcount | the temperature of our room is rising | 18:10 |
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| pbmdawg | ahhh | 18:10 |
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| snapcount | we must cool it down | 18:10 |
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| * MrHairgrease enters the room | 18:10 |
| MrHairgrease | everything cool now | 18:10 |
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| snapcount | !vote Do you think Martin's hair is really greasy? | 18:10 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Activated ]:------------ --- -- - | 18:10 |
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| WRE | ( -:- Do you think Martin's hair is really greasy? | 18:10 |
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| WRE | `--:[ To vote, type/msg !yes or !no. 1 min limit ]:----- --- -- - | 18:10 |
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| MrHairgrease | !yes | 18:10 |
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| snapcount | !no | 18:10 |
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| -!- MrHairgrease is now known as GreaseMeister | 18:11 |
| GreaseMeister | is that better? | 18:11 |
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| snapcount | see if you can vote again | 18:11 |
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| snapcount | since you changed your nic | 18:11 |
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| GreaseMeister | !yes | 18:11 |
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| WRE | .--:[ #WebGUI Vote Ended ]:------------ --- -- - | 18:12 |
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| WRE | ( -:- Vote Tally: Yes 2 No 1 | 18:12 |
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| -!- GreaseMeister is now known as DapperDan | 18:12 |
| WRE | `--:[ QuickVote v1.02.01 by David Proper (DrN) ]:----- --- -- - | 18:12 |
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| DapperDan | !yes | 18:12 |
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| snapcount | sorry | 18:12 |
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| snapcount | the polls are closed | 18:12 |
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| -!- DapperDan is now known as MrHairgrease | 18:12 |
| snapcount | but it worked | 18:12 |
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| snapcount | that's lame | 18:12 |
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| * MrHairgrease beat the system | 18:12 |
| MrHairgrease | I feel very punk today | 18:13 |
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| snapcount | Do you work for Diebold? | 18:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | No, but I did vote on a voting machine today | 18:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't think those are diebolds btw | 18:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | but some european brand of votebending machines | 18:13 |
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| snapcount | nice | 18:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | what is? | 18:20 |
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| snapcount | votebending machines | 18:21 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh | 18:21 |
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| snapcount | c'mon martin | 18:21 |
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| snapcount | keep up | 18:21 |
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| snapcount | snap snap | 18:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | Those machines does keep voting very exciting | 18:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | you never know what you really vote | 18:22 |
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| snapcount | so, if you're sailing through the desert and the wheels fall off your boat, how many pancakes will it take to shingle a doghouse? | 18:22 |
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| MrHairgrease | It is not a good thing to be drunk at noon roy | 18:23 |
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| pbmdawg | depends on if the pancakes are made of sand or your boat wheels | 18:24 |
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| snapcount | heheheheh | 18:25 |
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| snapcount | ;alj[fawquhf[aoufhao; | 18:25 |
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| snapcount | the answer is | 18:25 |
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| snapcount | (duh) | 18:25 |
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| snapcount | none. because ice cream has no bones | 18:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | It must be beacuse of the timezone | 18:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | but I do not understand | 18:26 |
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| snapcount | that's the point | 18:26 |
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| snapcount | it has no point | 18:26 |
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| snapcount | it doesn't make sense | 18:26 |
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| snapcount | random | 18:26 |
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| snapcount | and therefore funny to weirdos such as snapcount | 18:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh, now I get it | 18:27 |
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| * MrHairgrease laughs his ass off | 18:27 |
| MrHairgrease | =) | 18:27 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 18:27 |
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| snapcount | I'm still psyched about getting wre to work on fc4 | 18:27 |
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| MrHairgrease | I'll try the joke on some people at the bar tonight | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | excuse my crythian mood | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | just don't tell it to any chicks | 18:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | was fc4 a pain in the ass then? | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | they won't laugh | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | don't ask me how I know that | 18:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't care | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | not really | 18:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | mine laughs at everything i say | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | I was being stupid | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | uhh | 18:28 |
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| snapcount | I'm not sure if that's good or not =) | 18:28 |
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| MrHairgrease | It's probably good | 18:29 |
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| snapcount | oh ok | 18:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | else there wouldn't be so much stupid people= ) | 18:29 |
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| snapcount | the fc4 problem was that SOAP::Lite was failing to install | 18:29 |
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| snapcount | which caused the other perl modules to stop installing | 18:29 |
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| snapcount | and wre didn't die when this happened | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | it just went on to libapreq w/o reporting the error | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | well | 18:30 |
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| MrHairgrease | oh ok | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | one of the perl modules needed by libapreq was missing | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | so that broke also | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | so, I just had to go back and make them all install | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | and recompile libapreq | 18:30 |
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| snapcount | then it was happy | 18:31 |
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| MrHairgrease | cool | 18:31 |
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| snapcount | it takes forever to build on my craptop | 18:32 |
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| snapcount | like 6 hours | 18:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | that's why I don't have a laptop | 18:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | that and some monetary issues =) | 18:33 |
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| snapcount | starving student eh? | 18:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | well | 18:35 |
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| MrHairgrease | not exactly starving | 18:36 |
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| snapcount | not quite starving | 18:36 |
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| snapcount | me too | 18:36 |
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| snapcount | I'm in the 'not quite starving' category | 18:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | I get around pretty good | 18:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | but I don't wanna waste my money on a laptop | 18:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's just not useful enough for me | 18:36 |
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| snapcount | PB is buying my laptop, so it works out nice =) | 18:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | that would be your craptop, right =) | 18:37 |
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| snapcount | no | 18:37 |
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| snapcount | craptop is what I have now | 18:37 |
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| * MrHairgrease deletes his email to jt again =) | 18:37 |
| snapcount | my new one ships on the 15th | 18:37 |
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| snapcount | email? | 18:37 |
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| snapcount | is it juicy | 18:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | and that one compiles wre in two hours or so? | 18:37 |
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| snapcount | we'll see | 18:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | forget about the email | 18:38 |
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| snapcount | it's supposed to be hella fast | 18:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | my computer isn't | 18:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | but it's fast enough | 18:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | amd 1800 or something like that | 18:38 |
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| snapcount | that's pretty good | 18:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah sure | 18:38 |
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| snapcount | I have to keep mine for 3 years before I get another one | 18:38 |
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| snapcount | so mine will prolly suck w/i 6 mos or so | 18:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | I bought my current computer like three and a half years ago I think | 18:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | still works fine | 18:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't play games | 18:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | so I don't need all this unholy power | 18:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | how come we still have no ops? | 18:40 |
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| snapcount | b/c JT is lame | 18:41 |
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| snapcount | he's 'working' or something | 18:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | what has jt to do with that | 18:41 |
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| snapcount | non-sense | 18:41 |
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| snapcount | he has to apply for a group thing | 18:41 |
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| snapcount | with freenode | 18:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | you can't? | 18:41 |
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| snapcount | at which point, pb will have totalatarian control over the channel | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | life will end as we know it | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | we will be slaves to the machine | 18:42 |
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| * MrHairgrease starts #fightthesystem | 18:42 |
| snapcount | well, JT will then designate me as regional commander of #webgui | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | at which point | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | you will all be my bitches | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | (I'm joking btw) | 18:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | I figure so much | 18:42 |
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| snapcount | in case anyone missed the 'tone' | 18:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | You don't want me as your bitch | 18:43 |
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| snapcount | when we do get ops back | 18:43 |
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| snapcount | I think we will give ops to everyone | 18:43 |
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| snapcount | then just 'kick' back and relax | 18:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | kickfest! | 18:44 |
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| snapcount | see who's left when the dust settles | 18:44 |
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| snapcount | kind of an alpha male approach to ops | 18:44 |
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| snapcount | survival of the dorkiest | 18:44 |
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| * MrHairgrease is grochery shopping | 18:52 |
| MrHairgrease | grocery* | 18:52 |
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| MrHairgrease | or is it gross-ery | 18:52 |
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| snapcount | you have your desktop at the grocery store? | 18:52 |
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| snapcount | aren't people looking at you funny or is that normal in Europe? | 18:53 |
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| MrHairgrease | is should be goes | 18:53 |
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| snapcount | what? | 18:53 |
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| MrHairgrease | Only the upper layer of society has desktops at the grocery store | 18:53 |
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| snapcount | oh | 18:54 |
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| snapcount | I see | 18:54 |
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| pbmdawg | SEGA!!! | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | that excludes me | 18:54 |
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| snapcount | you're one of the elites | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | nah | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | only when I'm between dorks =) | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | and even then... | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | I'm not that elite | 18:54 |
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| MrHairgrease | bbl | 18:56 |
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| snapcount | later | 18:56 |
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| snapcount | http://www.cnn.com/rssclick/2006/US/03/07/lesbian.homecoming.ap/index.html?section=cnn_topstories | 19:00 |
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| WRE | <snapcount> http://tinyurl.com/oyyrj | 19:00 |
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| snapcount | did you get me any food? | 19:31 |
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| snapcount | well? | 19:32 |
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| snapcount | some cheese perhaps? | 19:32 |
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| * MrHairgrease throws snapcount a slice'o'pizza | 19:32 |
| snapcount | mmmm | 19:32 |
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| snapcount | pizza | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | You can have all the cheese | 19:32 |
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| MrHairgrease | It might be cold when it arrives though | 19:33 |
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| MrHairgrease | you might wanna use your microwave | 19:33 |
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| snapcount | mmmmm... cold pizza | 19:33 |
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| snapcount | hey | 19:34 |
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| MrHairgrease | everybody has his taste for good food | 19:34 |
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| snapcount | how come I'm the only one in #fightthesystem? | 19:34 |
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| MrHairgrease | wait | 19:34 |
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| MrHairgrease | http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=nl_en&trurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.nederlandtegenterrorisme.nl%2fmaak_uw_eigen_button | 19:38 |
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| WRE | <MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/leg2j | 19:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | that's my favorite part of the site | 19:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | oops | 19:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | wrong channelnot the system fighters... | 19:38 |
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| snapcount | I made my own button | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | do you think they'll send it to the US? | 19:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | nah | 19:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | prolly not | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | why not | 19:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | I made my button | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | I'll look out for dutch terrorists | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | which translates to: | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | short fuses against terrorism | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | another guy I know made one csaying: | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | button won't help against terrorism | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | anyway it's a completely absurd campain | 19:44 |
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| MrHairgrease | It's just to frighten people | 19:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | from the folder: | 19:45 |
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| snapcount | how about, "Don't push this button, I'm a terrorist" | 19:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | In holland everybody has to abide the law. The government also has to. Therefore the laws are adjusted. | 19:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | The whole thing will only demonize foreign people | 19:46 |
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| MrHairgrease | it sucks | 19:46 |
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| MrHairgrease | But I had a good laugh reading the folder. | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | the translation increases the comedic value | 19:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | thanks man | 19:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | Oh babelfishes? | 19:47 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 19:47 |
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| snapcount | babelfish | 19:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | try to translate french sites | 19:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | Or even better, Japanese | 19:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | Babelfish will translate record sleeve into small pocket | 19:48 |
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| MrHairgrease | at least for french sites | 19:48 |
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| MrHairgrease | also a funny thing is that they have explanations of 'difficult' words in the folder | 19:49 |
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| MrHairgrease | difficult words like: | 19:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | innovation | 19:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | conspiracy | 19:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | infiltration | 19:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | propaganda | 19:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah, it's going very good with the Netherlands... | 19:51 |
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| * MrHairgrease now shut up, and won't bore you with it anymore. | 19:51 |
| MrHairgrease | shuts up* | 19:51 |
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| crythias | crythian proportions | 19:56 |
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| crythias | the dog meows after swallowing the cat's vocal box. The noise is unnerving, yet strangely lilting. In the distance, a cow moos. | 19:58 |
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| snapcount | holy crap | 20:05 |
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| snapcount | have you guys been to #plone | 20:05 |
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| snapcount | on this network | 20:05 |
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| pbmdawg | yes | 20:05 |
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| snapcount | 150 people | 20:05 |
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| snapcount | on the channel | 20:05 |
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| pbmdawg | yes | 20:05 |
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| snapcount | joomla 51 | 20:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's just a measly 1500% more than #webgui | 20:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | why care? =) | 20:06 |
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| snapcount | heh | 20:07 |
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| snapcount | funny thing is | 20:11 |
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| snapcount | all those people | 20:11 |
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| snapcount | and no one is talking | 20:11 |
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| MrHairgrease | Their overwhelming number must scare them. | 20:11 |
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| snapcount | I'd much rather have 9 people that talk | 20:12 |
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| MrHairgrease | It's probably also b/c they don't know eachother | 20:12 |
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| MrHairgrease | Another explanation could be they only code and don't chitchat | 20:12 |
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| snapcount | I doubt that's it | 20:12 |
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| MrHairgrease | I tried to be sarcastic | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | oh | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 20:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | but I'm just not funny | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | it will come in time Martin | 20:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | which is an attempt at cynicism | 20:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | =) | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | you can't rush these things | 20:13 |
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| snapcount | anyways, I gotta go | 20:13 |
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| MrHairgrease | wait till I'm in Vegas | 20:14 |
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| MrHairgrease | laters | 20:14 |
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| snapcount | I'm taking the rest of the day off | 20:14 |
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| crythias | mmm roast. | 21:27 |
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| pbmdawg | I've decided that WebGUI is only incidentally open-source. | 23:11 |
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| Baylink | Ah... so there *is* a channel. | 01:20 |
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| Baylink | ... in which no one's listening. :-) | 01:23 |
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| crythias | hee | 02:10 |
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| crythias | because there's nothing better to do... | 02:35 |
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| crythias | the dog | 02:42 |
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| crythias | !calc | 04:05 |
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| snapcount | Martin | 17:22 |
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| snapcount | Praise the lord and all that is Holy... you are here | 17:22 |
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| snapcount | MrHairgrease | 17:23 |
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| snapcount | blink | 17:23 |
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| MrHairgrease | hi | 17:23 |
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| snapcount | feel like helping me figure out something | 17:23 |
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| MrHairgrease | what's up | 17:23 |
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| snapcount | I need help | 17:23 |
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| MrHairgrease | depends | 17:23 |
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| MrHairgrease | what's it | 17:23 |
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| MrHairgrease | how long will it take | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | prolly won't take you long | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | Couldn't call method addToCart on asset for url: home/untitled Root cause: Can't locate object method "user" via package "Asset_EventManagementSystem" (perhaps you forgot to load "Asset_EventManagementSystem"?) at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/International.pm line 78. | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | I'm pretty sure something in the commerece system is causing this | 17:24 |
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| MrHairgrease | ah! | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | but I can't find it | 17:24 |
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| MrHairgrease | I think I know | 17:24 |
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| snapcount | ooh boy | 17:24 |
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| MrHairgrease | Wouter found out about that one | 17:24 |
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| MrHairgrease | wait | 17:25 |
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| snapcount | I'm calling shoppingcart->new($session)->add in that method that's throwing the error | 17:25 |
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| MrHairgrease | This is probably wrong: WebGUI::Commerce::Payment::recurringPeriodValues | 17:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | It does not get the sesssion | 17:26 |
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| snapcount | would it matter that I'm not using recurringPayments | 17:26 |
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| MrHairgrease | wait | 17:27 |
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| * MrHairgrease log on to the procoloix server | 17:27 |
| MrHairgrease | hmm | 17:29 |
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| * MrHairgrease scratches his head | 17:29 |
| snapcount | heh | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | we could start a club | 17:29 |
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| snapcount | I've been doing that all morning | 17:29 |
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| MrHairgrease | you should consider using anti dandruff shampoo =) | 17:36 |
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| snapcount | I think I have fleas | 17:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | In which file does the error occur | 17:36 |
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| MrHairgrease | and which sub? | 17:36 |
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| snapcount | Wobject/EventManagementSystem www_addToCart | 17:37 |
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| MrHairgrease | Try to comment out this line: | 17:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | 477 my $subEventForm = $self->getSubEventForm($eventId); | 17:38 |
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| snapcount | ok | 17:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | I don't think the problem is in the shopping crat | 17:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | that does not user intl | 17:38 |
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| MrHairgrease | especially not Asset_EventManagementSystem | 17:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | got it | 17:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | 398 my $i18n = WebGUI::International->new('Asset_EventManagementSystem'); | 17:39 |
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| MrHairgrease | No session is passed | 17:39 |
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| snapcount | hey | 17:40 |
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| snapcount | you mean I have to blame this on me or Colin | 17:40 |
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| snapcount | but I wanted to blame you | 17:40 |
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| * snapcount huffs | 17:41 |
| MrHairgrease | you can blame me all you want | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | oh ok | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | =) | 17:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | but why dio you use 1 character indents | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | It's your fault Martin, you fixed this problem | 17:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | It's my fault | 17:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | i admit | 17:41 |
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| snapcount | I'm a rebel Martin | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | I can't help it though | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | I don't follow the heard | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | It just suck at coding | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | 5 char indents are so, "by the book" | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | But I do use tabs | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | 1 tab | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | not two? | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | just set your tabs to 8 characters | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | or three | 17:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | depends how deep you're nested | 17:42 |
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| chansen | Hi folks | 17:42 |
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| snapcount | hola | 17:43 |
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| MrHairgrease | hi | 17:43 |
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| snapcount | thx MrHairgrease | 17:45 |
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| snapcount | you saved the day | 17:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | np | 17:45 |
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| snapcount | or the morning | 17:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | keeps me off the street | 17:45 |
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| snapcount | or something | 17:45 |
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| MrHairgrease | the whales? | 17:46 |
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| snapcount | huh | 17:46 |
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| snapcount | like shamoo | 17:46 |
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| MrHairgrease | save the whales | 17:46 |
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| snapcount | like fat chicks | 17:46 |
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| snapcount | give me some context here... | 17:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | forget about it | 17:47 |
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| snapcount | lol | 17:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | it's not funny anyway | 17:47 |
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| snapcount | hey | 17:47 |
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| snapcount | how do you know | 17:47 |
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| MrHairgrease | that it's not funny? | 17:47 |
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| snapcount | whales can be a very funny topic | 17:47 |
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| snapcount | "A whale walks into a bar" | 17:48 |
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| snapcount | that's funny, because whales can't walk, especially on land | 17:48 |
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| snapcount | ok... moving on | 17:48 |
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| MrHairgrease | People from florida are a weird bunch | 17:48 |
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| MrHairgrease | anyway | 17:49 |
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| MrHairgrease | If I understand correctly whales is also the Vegas lingo for the filthy rich | 17:49 |
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| snapcount | yes | 17:49 |
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| MrHairgrease | who spend tons in the casino's | 17:49 |
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| snapcount | this is true | 17:49 |
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| MrHairgrease | So the whole walking whale thing make ssense | 17:49 |
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| MrHairgrease | rendering it very very unfunny =) | 17:50 |
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| snapcount | you got me on a technicality | 17:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | yeah | 17:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | great isn't it =) | 17:50 |
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| snapcount | so, if your sailing through the desert.... | 17:50 |
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| snapcount | hahahah | 17:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | no | 17:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | no that again | 17:50 |
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| MrHairgrease | =) | 17:51 |
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| * snapcount crawls back into his perl module | 17:51 |
| MrHairgrease | good boy | 17:51 |
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| snapcount | wtf! | 19:09 |
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| snapcount | my $var; | 19:09 |
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| snapcount | foreach $var (@craphole) {} | 19:09 |
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| snapcount | print $var; | 19:09 |
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| snapcount | shouldn't $var have the last value from the loop? | 19:09 |
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| snapcount | it's not in local scope to the loop because it's declared outside | 19:10 |
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| snapcount | I need some eduemacation | 19:10 |
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| MrHairgrease | roy | 19:19 |
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| MrHairgrease | http://perldoc.perl.org/perlsyn.html#Foreach-Loops-for-foreach | 19:19 |
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| WRE | <MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/qqclj | 19:19 |
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| snapcount | Frank explained | 19:20 |
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| snapcount | I get it | 19:20 |
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| snapcount | thanks though | 19:20 |
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| MrHairgrease | ok | 19:21 |
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| snapcount | ok... I need recommendations on how to accomplish this in the 'cleanest' way | 19:39 |
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| snapcount | b/c right now all of my solutions are ugly | 19:39 |
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| snapcount | for Matt, who is late to the party | 19:39 |
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| snapcount | [12:09] <snapcount> my $var; | 19:39 |
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| snapcount | [12:09] <snapcount> foreach $var (@craphole) {} | 19:39 |
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| snapcount | [12:09] <snapcount> print $var; | 19:39 |
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| pbmdawg | ok..... | 19:40 |
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| pbmdawg | what? | 19:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | you want to have $var set to the last element of craphole? | 19:40 |
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| snapcount | I need to access the last value from the loop itteration | 19:40 |
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| snapcount | yes | 19:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | two options: | 19:40 |
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| snapcount | I need the last craphole | 19:40 |
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| MrHairgrease | $var = $craphole[-1] | 19:41 |
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| pbmdawg | my $var = $craphole[-1]; | 19:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | or just use another variable for the iteration | 19:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | and set $var to it every time | 19:41 |
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| MrHairgrease | which is not pretty btw. | 19:41 |
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| snapcount | which would you rather see if you were trying to figure out someones hackery? | 19:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | You can also use a for loop | 19:42 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 19:42 |
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| snapcount | that's the solution I came up with | 19:42 |
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| snapcount | it was nasty | 19:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | I would go for the -1 index | 19:42 |
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| MrHairgrease | and put a comment above it | 19:42 |
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| snapcount | matt? | 19:42 |
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| snapcount | you concurr | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | and stuff | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | pbmdawg | 19:43 |
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| pbmdawg | yeah, since that's the solution I suggested. | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | blah blah blah | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | =) | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | alrighty then... you guys retain your status as being cool | 19:43 |
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| snapcount | good job | 19:43 |
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| crythias | whales are mammals | 19:45 |
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| crythias | mammals have hair | 19:46 |
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| crythias | itchy hair needs dandruff shampoo | 19:46 |
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| crythias | a famous whale is called Shamu | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | crythias, you will always trump me when it comes to being the most random | 19:46 |
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| * crythias provides radnomosity in crythian proportions. | 19:47 |
| crythias | randomosity* | 19:48 |
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| crythias | var $mammal=$whale[-1]; | 19:50 |
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| crythias | print $mammal; | 19:50 |
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| crythias | Output: "Shamu" | 19:50 |
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| crythias | heh | 19:51 |
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| crythias | ah, yeah. I did it. | 19:51 |
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| * snapcount flares his nostirls | 19:51 |
| * crythias struts in a way a chicken would strut if the chicken were human and not selfconscious. | 19:51 |
| * crythias plays with random tinyurls... | 19:53 |
| crythias | Let's just say some of them are definitely nsfw. | 19:53 |
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| pbmdawg | Der Kommissar | 20:09 |
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| crythias | oh oh | 20:09 |
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| pbmdawg | Don't turn around | 20:10 |
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| crythias | oh oh. | 20:10 |
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| pbmdawg | Wu-uh-oh | 20:10 |
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| pbmdawg | Kommissar's in town. | 20:10 |
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| * crythias is dancing to the BEP. aw yeah...pump it. | 20:11 |
| pbmdawg | Whip it good. | 20:13 |
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| pbmdawg | Love My Way - The Psychedelic Furs | 20:20 |
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| pbmdawg | True - Spandau Ballet | 20:23 |
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| pbmdawg | So True, funny how it seems | 20:23 |
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| pbmdawg | always on time, but never enough for dreams | 20:23 |
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| pbmdawg | heard on plainblack.com - "Well, slap me with a kipper!" | 20:24 |
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| pbmdawg | I Want To Know What Love Is - Foreigner | 20:28 |
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| pbmdawg | Take Me Home Tonight/Be My Baby - Eddie Money | 20:34 |
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| crythias | do what? | 20:34 |
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| pbmdawg | Beds Are Burning - Midnight Oil | 20:37 |
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| crythias | all the leaves are brown. | 20:38 |
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| crythias | and the sky is gray. | 20:38 |
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| pbmdawg | how do we sleep while our beds our burning | 20:38 |
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| pbmdawg | how can we dance when our earth is turning | 20:38 |
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| crythias | on a winter's day? | 20:39 |
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| crythias | c'mon everybody, let's dance! | 20:39 |
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| crythias | California Dreamin on such a winter's day! | 20:39 |
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| pbmdawg | A Matter Of Trust - Billy Joel | 20:43 |
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| pbmdawg | Say It Isn't So - The Outfield | 20:49 |
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| crythias | ack | 21:27 |
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| snapcount | syn | 21:27 |
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| snapcount | oh wait | 21:27 |
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| snapcount | that's backwards | 21:27 |
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| crythias | finally found out why my bandiwdth got eaten up | 21:27 |
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| snapcount | bandwidth monster? | 21:28 |
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| crythias | some genius in north carolina sat on my home page for 12437 hits because of my refreshing webcam image ... | 21:29 |
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| crythias | the page refreshed every 30 seconds. | 21:29 |
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| crythias | I killed that, and renamed the file. | 21:30 |
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| crythias | but I did that before I knew who was syphoning my traffic. | 21:30 |
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| crythias | 179MB of transfer for the one file | 21:31 |
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| crythias | not anymore. | 21:31 |
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| crythias | anyway, I gathered that info from my new host. | 21:32 |
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| crythias | time to block an IP address | 21:33 |
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| Baylink | Morning, all. So my 6.8.0 WRE still refuses to find ExtUtils/XSBuilder/ParseSource.pm, whatever that's supposed to be. Any thoughts? I decided to go with WRE, over my personal objection to not having components live where I want them, precisely to avoid this sort of thing; is that an unreasonable approach? | 21:41 |
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| Baylink | (I'm building from source on SuSE 9.3, as I noted on the forum. | 21:42 |
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| Baylink | ping | 21:45 |
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| Baylink | snapcount: the wre sourcebuild should be expected to be completely independent of everything on the machine except those 6 or 7 super-prereq's, right? | 21:46 |
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| MrHairgrease | Did you try to install ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource manually? | 21:47 |
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| Baylink | I'm guessing that's part of a perl module package? No, I didn't. As noted, I'm using WRE at all precisely because I don't want to spend 2 weeks getting married to (by actual count from two years ago) 16 open-source codebases. to get the package running. If WRE 0.6 is not supposed to be that rugged, and I was told it was, then I'll wait for WG7. | 21:53 |
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| Baylink | And the whole "having to wait 3 hours while the build starts over from scratch" part doesn't thrill me either. At least if I'm doing it by hand, no one's end-running make. | 21:55 |
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| Baylink | I believe the "why are you waiting for 7.0 instead of running the gamma" poll missed a reply: "because gamma releases have insufficient attention paid to release configuration management." | 21:56 |
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| MrHairgrease | Damn man. | 22:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | I just tried to help out | 22:06 |
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| Baylink | I know. | 22:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | no to initiate some friggin flame fest | 22:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | I you rather compile by hand | 22:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | do tjust that | 22:06 |
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| Baylink | I wasn't flaming, really. | 22:06 |
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| MrHairgrease | Maybe | 22:07 |
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| MrHairgrease | It must be your choice of words | 22:07 |
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| Baylink | Nope. I was sold "we'll do all the dependencies, so you don't have to". And that's not what I've got. | 22:07 |
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| MrHairgrease | Or my lck of interpretation | 22:07 |
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| Baylink | Not your fault, certainly. | 22:07 |
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| MrHairgrease | If there's a bug in wre, which is very possible due to the nature of software, please submit it. | 22:08 |
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| MrHairgrease | Anyway I'm going afk | 22:08 |
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| Baylink | I'm not sure whether that *constitutes* a bug, hence my attempt to get snapcount to clarify; clearly, he's busy working. | 22:08 |
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| MrHairgrease | I have to go to the Drink Or Die Barstool Blues Night at de Koornbeurs | 22:08 |
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| Baylink | Well, far be it from me. :-) | 22:09 |
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| Baylink | You're the SQLForm guy, no? | 22:09 |
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| MrHairgrease | Yeah I am | 22:09 |
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| MrHairgrease | Tried it? | 22:09 |
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| Baylink | Wanting to play with that is specifically what made me break down and try to install pre-7.0. So this *is* your fault. :-) | 22:09 |
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| nuba | heh MrHairgrease seems you are forever guilty now :) | 22:10 |
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| MrHairgrease | laters | 22:11 |
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| Baylink | It's them guinea pigs as sticks their heads up over the cube walls... :-) | 22:12 |
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| * crythias dances a little jig. | 23:22 |
| crythias | ahh yeah | 23:23 |
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| Baylink | ? | 23:34 |
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| snapcount | Fedora Core 4? | 23:34 |
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| crythias | It's all good, and I'm gone. | 23:34 |
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| crythias | l8rness | 23:35 |
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| Baylink | snapcount: see above? There's a specific query in there for you, amongst the ranting... :-) | 23:35 |
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| snapcount | I'm not seeing the tree for the forrest it seems | 23:36 |
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| Baylink | [14:46:25] <Baylink> snapcount: the wre sourcebuild should be expected to bern completely independent of everything on the machinern except those 6 or 7 super-prereq's, right?rn | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | oh I see | 23:37 |
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| Baylink | By which I meant the compilers and syslibs. | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | yes... that's the end goal | 23:37 |
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| snapcount | I ran into this problem this weekend | 23:37 |
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| Baylink | And that goal is known to be less well achieved than would be preferred? :-) | 23:38 |
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| Baylink | Note, BTW, that https://www.plainblack.com/wre/building talks about -core. I assume that's really -source? | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | well, what you found is a bug | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | that is pretty easy to work around | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | if you're using FC4 | 23:38 |
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| snapcount | I posted a binary | 23:38 |
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| Baylink | Is that a CPAN-able thing? | 23:39 |
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| snapcount | or, I can tell you the work around | 23:39 |
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| Baylink | Shoot. :-) | 23:39 |
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| snapcount | Which O/S are you using? | 23:39 |
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| Baylink | SuSE 9.2, 2.6.11.4 | 23:40 |
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| Baylink | Excuse: 9.3 | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | ok... so we haven't made a binary for you | 23:40 |
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| Baylink | Nope; source building. | 23:40 |
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| snapcount | you need to install the missing module using the WRE version of Perl | 23:41 |
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| pbmdawg | roy: which module is missing | 23:41 |
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| snapcount | ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource | 23:42 |
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| snapcount | and I'm not sure it's missing actually | 23:42 |
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| snapcount | I haven't looked | 23:42 |
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| snapcount | the real problem is this | 23:42 |
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| Baylink | ... yes? :-) | 23:42 |
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| snapcount | the install perlmodules part of build.sh | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | fails on SOAP::Lite | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | when that happens | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | build.sh should stop | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | it doesn't | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | it starts building libapreq2 | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | which needs ExtUtils::XSBuilder::ParseSource | 23:43 |
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| Baylink | which comes from SOAP::Lite. | 23:43 |
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| snapcount | I'm not sure about that | 23:44 |
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| Baylink | I'm going to go patch build.sh to log all it's output; I was in screen, and can't scrool back far enough. | 23:44 |
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| snapcount | if you run the installPerlModules script | 23:44 |
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| snapcount | by it's self | 23:44 |
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| snapcount | you will see that it still has work to do | 23:44 |
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| snapcount | things like DBI, etc also are not installed | 23:45 |
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| Baylink | Is that build.sh thing permanent, or does someone plan to replace it with make eventually? | 23:46 |
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| snapcount | well, nothing is permanent if there is a better solution out there with someone willing to do it | 23:47 |
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| Baylink | Got it. Well, I've just tweaked build.sh to at least log everything. I don't know if I'm enough of a make-maven to get it to work properly atop the remainder of the makefiles, but I'll look. | 23:49 |
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| snapcount | cool | 23:50 |
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| Baylink | What's the lightest-weight way to submit that build.sh change? Mail it to the -dev list? | 23:50 |
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| snapcount | for logging? | 23:50 |
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| Baylink | yeah | 23:50 |
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| snapcount | yeah, the dev list | 23:50 |
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| snapcount | You should probably post about your idea for make as well | 23:51 |
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| snapcount | and why it's better than what we have | 23:51 |
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| snapcount | you probably want to get some support on the list before spending a lot of time on it | 23:51 |
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| snapcount | I think your biggest obstacle is going to be that JT and I are far from make experts | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | and we have to maintain the WRE | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | that's not to say we can't/won't learn | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | you'll have to have a good argument | 23:52 |
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| snapcount | that's all I'm saying | 23:53 |
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| Baylink | Understood. But if lots of people are going to be building from source, you're going to want to find *some* way for us not to have to rerun the *entire* build everytime. | 23:53 |
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| Baylink | Especially since there are lots of prompts *in the middle*. | 23:53 |
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| snapcount | you know that you can run individual components right? | 23:53 |
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| Baylink | My argument is that the sales pitch for WRE is "It Just Works". | 23:53 |
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| snapcount | ./build.sh --apache --mysql | 23:53 |
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| Baylink | Yeah, I saw that. Since I don't know how to tell when a module has completed successfully, I'm not sure they help me. | 23:54 |
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| Baylink | Again: the whole point is to *avoid8 my having to get married to 42 build processes. | 23:54 |
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| Baylink | This is the major failing of componentized software, IMO. | 23:54 |
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| snapcount | well, having a logging/verbosity type feature sounds like a good idea to me | 23:55 |
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| snapcount | cool | 00:14 |
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| snapcount | we might have a new volunteer | 00:14 |
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| Baylink | Who, me? :-) | 00:27 |
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| snapcount | sure | 00:34 |
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| snapcount | I was referring to a different person but we'll take all the help we can get | 00:34 |
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| Baylink | Ah. | 00:38 |
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| Baylink | Naw; JT and I can only deal with one another in limited amounts. | 00:38 |
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| snapcount | heh | 00:39 |
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| snapcount | Too Alpha personalities eh | 00:39 |
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| snapcount | s/too/two | 00:40 |
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| Baylink | Not so much that; it's cases. My view of it is that he and I have differing perceptions of how making a living off an OSS project ought to bear on interactions with a developer/user community. | 00:41 |
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| snapcount | ahh | 00:41 |
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| Baylink | It's not uncommon; Isaac from MythTV does many of the same things, and he's *not* charging people money. | 00:41 |
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| snapcount | This project is run a little differently | 00:42 |
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| Baylink | But for a package that's so head and shoulders above everything else in it's market, WG seems to have much smaller a visible community than I'd expect. | 00:42 |
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| Baylink | Yeah; that's a good way to put it. | 00:42 |
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| Baylink | Doing what he's doing without giving off the appearance of soliciting free labor for your commercial product is a difficult line to walk. I may be alone in thinking so, but he doesn't do it as well as I'd like to see. (For whatever that's worth :-) | 00:43 |
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| Baylink | SO, back to cases: is that SOAP thing because I've failed to modify the installation grid that CPAN presents me with? | 00:49 |
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| snapcount | no | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I'm not sure what the deal is | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I had to say no to the XML prereq | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | that is prompted after the SOAP Grid | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | and everything worked fine | 00:51 |
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| Baylink | That's not the default answer, then? | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | no | 00:51 |
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| snapcount | I need to look into it further | 00:51 |
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| Baylink | Got it. Someone should add that note to https://www.plainblack.com/wre/building, as well as checking on -core/-source. | 00:51 |
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| WRE | <Baylink> http://tinyurl.com/nheyh | 00:52 |
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| snapcount | and patch it up so it works again | 00:52 |
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| snapcount | I plan on working on this next week | 00:52 |
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| snapcount | I'm going to improve the documentation as well | 00:52 |
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| Baylink | Well, thanks, bot, but I don't like tinyurl anyway. :-) // Cool. I'll let you know if that change works when it comes around again on the guitar. You don't remember the exact question, do you? | 00:53 |
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| snapcount | No... sorry | 00:53 |
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| snapcount | it asks if you want to prepend XML::Something | 00:53 |
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| snapcount | before building SOAP | 00:54 |
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| snapcount | if you say no, it works | 00:54 |
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| Baylink | 'k; I'll take my changes. Hmmm. I think I told cpan to Follow instead of Asking, was that bad? | 00:54 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 00:54 |
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| Baylink | ruhroh. | 00:54 |
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| snapcount | that will automatically prepend prereqs | 00:54 |
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| Baylink | WHich means I'm screwed and I have to kill my build and go purge CPAN. Got it. | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | hey | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | it's not just a job | 00:55 |
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| snapcount | it's an adventure | 00:55 |
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| Baylink | Yeah, but they give you clean socks. :-) I don't suppose you know CPAN well enough to tell me where in it's .cpan crap to toggle just that bit? | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | no | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | the only way I know | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | is to re-run the config | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | o conf | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | something to that effect | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | make sure you're using the WRE perl | 00:56 |
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| snapcount | =) | 00:56 |
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| Baylink | Oh yeah; that won't flush my prebuild. I'm not using anything. build.sh is using things. | 00:57 |
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| Baylink | See why this is so hard for people who don't carry the whole build around in their head? | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 00:57 |
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| Baylink | and JT tends to forget that, I think, because *he* does. | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | . source/wre/wre/setenvironment | 00:57 |
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| snapcount | that may not be the exact path | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | but if you run that, your shell will have the same env as the build script | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | and manual steps will work | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | (like running cpan) | 00:58 |
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| Baylink | Oh. Which is why cpan launched right into config. | 00:58 |
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| Baylink | Oops. | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | if you type perl -V | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | I think you'll see its in /usr/bin | 00:58 |
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| snapcount | which is not what you want | 00:58 |
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| Baylink | 5.8.6; libs in the system places. Yeah. | 00:59 |
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| snapcount | those should all start with /data/wre/... | 00:59 |
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| Baylink | Oh. In the *target*, not in the *build* tree. | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | yeah... it's using the perl it makes | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | in the beginning | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | it has to | 01:00 |
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| snapcount | kinda confusing | 01:00 |
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| Baylink | No, I meant that setenvironment should be expected to be in /data? Or in /usr/build/wrebuild? | 01:01 |
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| Baylink | I'm having trouble finding it anywhere. | 01:01 |
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| snapcount | it should be in wrebuild/wre/wre/somewhere-in-here | 01:01 |
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| snapcount | err | 01:02 |
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| snapcount | wrebuild/source/wre/wre | 01:02 |
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| Baylink | $BUILDDIR/wre/wre/sbin/setenvironment | 01:02 |
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| snapcount | yep | 01:02 |
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| snapcount | run it like this | 01:02 |
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| snapcount | . /path/to/script | 01:02 |
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| Baylink | And *now* cpan thinks it's configure. THanks. | 01:02 |
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| snapcount | sure thing | 01:03 |
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| Baylink | Yeah; been writing bourne scripts for 25 years. :-) | 01:03 |
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| snapcount | oh ok | 01:03 |
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| snapcount | then you know why | 01:03 |
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| snapcount | =) | 01:03 |
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| snapcount | most people don't get that and it causes them problems | 01:03 |
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| Baylink | Yep. See, this is the other thing: JT tends to assume (in my perception) that if you don't know every detail of WG internals, that you don't know much. | 01:03 |
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| Baylink | That's *really* annoying. :-) | 01:03 |
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| snapcount | he's an acquired personality | 01:04 |
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| snapcount | but he means well | 01:04 |
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| Baylink | Well, his package is great. But did you ever read Jerry Pournelle describing Vulcan (dBase I) as "infuriatingly excellent"? | 01:05 |
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| Baylink | "o conf init", btw | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | yep | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | that's it | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | I can't remember it all | 01:05 |
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| snapcount | I have to look stuff up | 01:05 |
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| Baylink | Note that "follow" *is the default* for cpan; the notes should be changed to reflect that as well. | 01:06 |
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| Baylink | I hadn't *thought* I was making that up. :-) | 01:07 |
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| snapcount | crap | 01:07 |
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| snapcount | I think follow is okay, as long as it's set to ask first | 01:07 |
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| Baylink | If you say follow, it *won't* ask; I think that what it means, anyway. | 01:08 |
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| snapcount | oh ok | 01:08 |
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| Baylink | Hence the problem. | 01:08 |
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| Baylink | Hey, JT. | 01:08 |
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| * rizen howdy | 01:09 |
| * rizen what's the topic for? | 01:09 |
| * rizen just cuz no one had anything better to say? | 01:09 |
| * Baylink looks, than scratches head. :-) | 01:09 |
| snapcount | why are you talking in actions | 01:09 |
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| chansen | I also wondered that when I joined | 01:09 |
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| * snapcount tells you to stop that | 01:09 |
| * rizen hmmm...it's a new irc client | 01:09 |
| * rizen no idea why | 01:09 |
| Baylink | We think we've nailed down a couple minor tweaks to https://www.plainblack.com/wre/building that will make life easier. | 01:10 |
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| * rizen stop that | 01:10 |
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| * chansen looks better IMO | 01:11 |
| * rizen test | 01:11 |
| * rizen on my screen everyone is talking in actions | 01:12 |
| snapcount | this is kinda funny | 01:12 |
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| chansen | I agree | 01:12 |
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| * rizen let's see, is this any better | 01:12 |
| snapcount | lol | 01:12 |
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| chansen | nopp | 01:12 |
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| snapcount | what client are you using? | 01:12 |
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| * rizen stupid irc client...ok switching to another one | 01:12 |
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| snapcount | stupid irc client | 01:13 |
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| snapcount | never heard of that one | 01:13 |
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| chansen | heh | 01:13 |
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| jtsmith | test | 01:15 |
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| Baylink | There you go | 01:16 |
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| PlainBlackGuy | it's too bad cuz i hate this chat client | 01:16 |
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| PlainBlackGuy | Oh well | 01:16 |
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| chansen | If you want a decent GUI client for OS X, give X-Chat Aqua a try | 01:17 |
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| chansen | http://xchataqua.sourceforge.net/ | 01:17 |
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| PlainBlackGuy | i just downloaded colloquy | 01:23 |
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| PlainBlackGuy | going to give that a try in a sec | 01:23 |
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| PlainBlackGuy | then i'll try xchat | 01:23 |
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| jtsmith | test | 01:25 |
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| jtsmith | this ain't half bad | 01:25 |
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| snapcount | r u on mac? | 01:26 |
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| jtsmith | yup | 01:26 |
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| chansen | Adium is also a very popular client, does IRC and all major IM protocols | 01:27 |
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| chansen | http://www.adiumx.com/ | 01:27 |
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| jtsmith | adium doesn't do irc | 01:28 |
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| jtsmith | i have used adium for over a year | 01:28 |
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| jtsmith | they recommend colloquy | 01:28 |
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| chansen | then I'm sorry, I heard by someone that there was a IRC plugin | 01:29 |
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| jtsmith | no problem at all | 01:30 |
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| jtsmith | honestly colloquy seems pretty cool | 01:30 |
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| chansen | I use Proteus and X-Chat Aqua, quite happy with both | 01:30 |
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| jtsmith | it's pretty and functional | 01:30 |
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| chansen | I have it installed, but I seem to prefer xchat, which also comes with an embedded perl interpreter :) | 01:32 |
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| jtsmith | for as little as i use irc, i'm not sure what good a perl interpreter would do me, but if i decide i want to do something cool, i'll certainly keep that in mind | 01:32 |
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| jtsmith | i have to send in my mac for some repairs shortly anyway | 01:33 |
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| jtsmith | the power connection has been giving me trouble | 01:33 |
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| snapcount | you could use BitchX | 01:33 |
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| snapcount | hardcore | 01:33 |
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| chansen | jtsmith: pb pro? | 01:33 |
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| jtsmith | yup | 01:33 |
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| chansen | I thought the new power connector should be flawless | 01:34 |
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| chansen | It definitely looks cool though | 01:34 |
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| jtsmith | that's on the macbook pro | 01:35 |
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| jtsmith | i have one of the powerbook pro's from last summer | 01:35 |
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| jtsmith | from before they started offering the magnetic thingy | 01:35 |
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| chansen | ok, same here | 01:35 |
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| chansen | FTR, the old one was only powerbook | 01:36 |
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| jtsmith | ok | 01:37 |
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| chansen | http://www.mathcaddy.com/windowsxpbootsonamac!!!!1/ | 01:39 |
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| WRE | <chansen> http://tinyurl.com/gryqa | 01:39 |
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| snapcount | jtsmith | 02:09 |
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| jtsmith | snapcount | 02:11 |
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| snapcount | It seems as though this process thingy no workie for checkboxes | 02:11 |
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| snapcount | can you confirm or deny these scathing allegations | 02:11 |
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| jtsmith | could you post the line of code you're using to process? | 02:12 |
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| snapcount | well... | 02:12 |
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| snapcount | I guess | 02:12 |
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| snapcount | @pids = $self->session->form->process("subEventPID", "checkbox"); | 02:12 |
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| jtsmith | nope | 02:12 |
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| jtsmith | checkList | 02:13 |
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| snapcount | it has to be a checklist | 02:13 |
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| jtsmith | the reason is that you're not creating a single solitary check box, are you? | 02:13 |
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| jtsmith | you're creating a bunch of check boxes that all use the same name, right? | 02:13 |
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| snapcount | a collection of single solitary checkboxes | 02:13 |
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| snapcount | each with the same name | 02:13 |
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| jtsmith | yes, but that is a checkList by definition | 02:13 |
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| snapcount | the checkList won't allow me to display additional information on the same row | 02:14 |
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| jtsmith | did i say you should use checkList for displaying it | 02:14 |
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| jtsmith | i don't think i did | 02:14 |
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| jtsmith | do you want me to have the court reporter read back to you what i said | 02:14 |
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| snapcount | so I can define a bunch of checkList controls with the same name | 02:14 |
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| jtsmith | no | 02:14 |
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| snapcount | but use checkList with formProcessor? | 02:14 |
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| jtsmith | stop confusing yourself | 02:14 |
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| snapcount | not checklist | 02:14 |
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| snapcount | checkbox | 02:15 |
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| jtsmith | we have not been talking about display | 02:15 |
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| jtsmith | only processing | 02:15 |
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| snapcount | ok | 02:15 |
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| jtsmith | so yes, use checkList for processing | 02:15 |
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| snapcount | ok | 02:15 |
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| jtsmith | and don't change anything about your display | 02:15 |
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| pbmdawg | xdanger: what's the url for the logs for this room | 02:29 |
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| pbmdawg | I always forget it. | 02:29 |
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| snapcount | goatse.ragingfist.net | 02:31 |
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| pbmdawg | roy; stop spamming the room with your pics | 02:31 |
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| snapcount | lol | 02:31 |
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| snapcount | sorry | 02:31 |
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| pbmdawg | and how'd you convince someone to take a picture of you doing that | 02:32 |
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| pbmdawg | !dubya | 02:49 |
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| WRE | "People make suggestions on what to say all the time. I'll give you an example; I don't read what's handed to me. People say, 'Here, here's your speech, or here's an idea for a speech.' They're changed. Trust me." | 02:49 |
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| rizen | I've decided that we should scrap WebGUI 7 and just have everyone convert to OpenCMS | 17:41 |
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| rizen | man...nobody here to even laugh at me for telling a bad joke | 17:42 |
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| crythias | heh | 17:42 |
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| crythias | why not dotnuke | 17:42 |
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| rizen | That's fine too. | 17:42 |
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| rizen | Although, I think the best CMS has to be Joomla. | 17:43 |
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| rizen | At least thats what all the script kiddies keep telling me. | 17:43 |
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| crythias | You know, I have to tell you that WebGUI is rather well organized. I can actually find reasonably quick what I need. | 17:43 |
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| crythias | Compared to sugar crm, for instance | 17:44 |
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| rizen | Is that just cuz you're used to it? | 17:44 |
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| rizen | Or because it actually is? | 17:44 |
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| crythias | nice program, but try to edit it... | 17:44 |
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| crythias | It just is. it's not that hard. assets are together, and they're not huge. | 17:45 |
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| crythias | (1st post was re: Sugar CRM. 2nd was response to you) | 17:45 |
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| rizen | I've used SugarCRM as a demo | 17:46 |
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| rizen | and it seemed pretty good | 17:46 |
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| rizen | it certainly has a lot of features | 17:46 |
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| rizen | i haven't tried to look at the code though | 17:46 |
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| rizen | and i haven't tried to actually use it in a production env | 17:47 |
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| crythias | lots of includes .. everywhere. | 17:47 |
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| rizen | don't they have to do that though? | 17:47 |
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| rizen | isn't it written in php? | 17:47 |
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| crythias | yes | 17:48 |
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| rizen | and i think they must have started on it before PHP had classes/objects/packages/namespaces or whatever | 17:48 |
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| rizen | the new version is supposed to have | 17:48 |
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| crythias | not as if perl's use aren't everywhere. it's just that it's easy to understand where and what for. | 17:48 |
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| crythias | in WebGUI. | 17:49 |
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| crythias | OK, so I am biased and have a year + on the code of WG | 17:49 |
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| rizen | hehe | 17:49 |
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| crythias | but still, everything I learned about WG on my own I did from answering questions on /discuss | 17:50 |
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| crythias | the only thing that I am currently confused about re: the code is it seems that there are several places for that i18n stuff. | 17:51 |
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| crythias | help + labels | 17:51 |
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| rizen | huh? | 17:52 |
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| rizen | several places? | 17:52 |
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| crythias | well, I'm being picky. help is in one place and labels seem to be in another. | 17:52 |
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| crythias | I admit it. I'm not familiar with i18n, so take it with a grain of salt. | 17:53 |
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| rizen | that's true, but that's because help is an organizational structure...not actually content | 17:55 |
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| rizen | and i18n is content, not an organizational strucuture | 17:55 |
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| rizen | see what i mean? | 17:55 |
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| crythias | sure | 17:55 |
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| rizen | the i18n system already exists | 17:55 |
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| rizen | and help needs to be internationalized | 17:55 |
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| rizen | so why re-invent the wheel | 17:56 |
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| crythias | sure | 17:56 |
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| crythias | changing subject. if you change the url for an object, does the old url go to the old instance? | 17:56 |
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| crythias | object: asset | 17:56 |
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| perlDreamer | snapcount: ping | 17:57 |
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| perlDreamer | !lastSpoke snapcount | 17:57 |
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| rizen | no | 17:58 |
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| rizen | it goes to the new version | 17:58 |
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| rizen | as it should | 17:58 |
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| crythias | 'kay | 17:58 |
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| rizen | otherwise you'd have people browsing outdated content | 17:58 |
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| snapcount | Is it normal to be developing something and constantly want to change it or to start second guessing your design. | 18:33 |
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| snapcount | Because right now I'm starting to feel like there are better ways to do what I'm doing | 18:33 |
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| rizen | yup | 18:33 |
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| rizen | for instance: WebGUI 6.x | 18:34 |
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| snapcount | It seems as though acting on these impulses will prevent me from ever finishing it... | 18:34 |
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| snapcount | so how do you handle that? | 18:34 |
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| rizen | they will | 18:34 |
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| snapcount | ignore them | 18:34 |
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| rizen | that's why you continue on with your original design | 18:34 |
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| rizen | and then evolve it | 18:34 |
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| snapcount | so make it work first | 18:34 |
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| rizen | finish it | 18:34 |
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| snapcount | then improve | 18:34 |
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| rizen | then change | 18:34 |
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| rizen | yup | 18:35 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 18:35 |
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| snapcount | that sounds like a good idea | 18:35 |
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| rizen | evolutionary beats revolutionary every damn time | 18:35 |
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| snapcount | I've never seen so many db queries in one .pm before | 18:35 |
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| snapcount | this thing is going to move at special olympic speed I fear | 18:35 |
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| snapcount | oh well... make it work first | 18:36 |
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| rizen | ok colin, let's give it a whirl\ | 19:12 |
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| rizen | what did you want to talk about | 19:12 |
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| perlDreamer | okay, Roy's bug is that he can only get strings out of a checkList | 19:12 |
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| perlDreamer | I think the problem is inside Session::Form::process, line 205 | 19:13 |
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| perlDreamer | It calls all forms in scalar context, which makes them return strings separated by newlines | 19:13 |
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| perlDreamer | The only way to get the forms to return an array is to call them in array context | 19:15 |
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| perlDreamer | they don't return array refs | 19:15 |
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| rizen | you're right | 19:15 |
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| rizen | it needs to do something similar to the param() method | 19:15 |
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| perlDreamer | yup | 19:16 |
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| perlDreamer | that sound cool? | 19:16 |
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| rizen | yup | 19:16 |
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| rizen | can we still say this is roy's fault? | 19:16 |
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| perlDreamer | sure | 19:16 |
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| rizen | excellent | 19:16 |
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| perlDreamer | If he wouldn't go finding bugs, we wouldn't have to fix them | 19:16 |
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| rizen | exactly | 19:17 |
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| rizen | bastard | 19:17 |
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| snapcount | $self->terminate | 19:17 |
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| rizen | so are you going to do this fix, or do you want me to do it? | 19:17 |
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| perlDreamer | ready for bug#2? | 19:17 |
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| rizen | sure | 19:17 |
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| perlDreamer | There was a bug submitted where Text fields could contain data with newlines if it was pasted into the form. | 19:18 |
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| perlDreamer | So I added a filter inside getValueFromPost which scrubs the newlines and carriage returns | 19:18 |
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| perlDreamer | Now, when form ->process is called, if a form type isn't passed in, it defaults to using Text | 19:19 |
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| perlDreamer | and that's how a lot of the form params in the DataForm are fetched, using Text instead of Integer, Textarea, etc. | 19:19 |
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| perlDreamer | So for fields where you enter in data with 1 value per line, they were all concatenated together | 19:19 |
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| perlDreamer | and all List type things (possibleValues, defaultValues) all broke | 19:20 |
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| perlDreamer | I submitted a SF bug for it | 19:20 |
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| rizen | so change the default type to textarea | 19:20 |
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| rizen | and be done | 19:20 |
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| rizen | sound good? | 19:21 |
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| rizen | or is there a problem with that? | 19:21 |
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| perlDreamer | but that passes any special handling done by text-like fields like Integer, etc. | 19:21 |
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| rizen | no | 19:21 |
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| rizen | because if you're using a special field | 19:21 |
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| rizen | then you should be specifying that field type on the get | 19:21 |
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| perlDreamer | right | 19:21 |
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| rizen | $session->form->process('field', 'integer'); | 19:21 |
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| perlDreamer | In the DataForm, most of them aren't | 19:21 |
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| rizen | that's a problem for the dataform then | 19:21 |
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| rizen | not for webgui | 19:21 |
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| rizen | i guess what i'm saying is | 19:22 |
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| rizen | don't fix webgui | 19:22 |
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| rizen | when it's the dataform that's broken | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | right, but I think we should comb the code and look for other errors like that. | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | since the DataForm worked fine in 6.8 | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | this is 6.9 specific | 19:22 |
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| rizen | ok...but you broke it, right? | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | no | 19:22 |
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| rizen | by adding this new check in? | 19:22 |
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| perlDreamer | yes | 19:23 |
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| perlDreamer | maybe... | 19:23 |
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| rizen | it's easy to confirm | 19:23 |
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| rizen | take out the new check | 19:23 |
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| perlDreamer | 6.8 works | 19:23 |
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| rizen | see if it starts working again | 19:23 |
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| rizen | who gives a crap about 6.8 | 19:23 |
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| rizen | take out this new check | 19:23 |
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| rizen | see if it starts working again | 19:23 |
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| rizen | then you'll know if this new check is breaking it | 19:23 |
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| rizen | it probably worked in 5.2 also | 19:24 |
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| rizen | in the greater scheme, that doesn't matter | 19:24 |
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| rizen | a lot has changed since then | 19:24 |
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| perlDreamer | yeah | 19:24 |
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| perlDreamer | back in 6.8, it accessed the form variables directly | 19:24 |
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| rizen | and a lot has changed since 6.8 | 19:24 |
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| perlDreamer | possibleValues=>$session{form}{possibleValues} | 19:24 |
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| rizen | we need to find out what's broken in 7.0 | 19:24 |
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| rizen | not what worked in 6.8 | 19:24 |
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| perlDreamer | true | 19:25 |
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| rizen | that new check you put in | 19:25 |
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| rizen | will cause lots of problem | 19:25 |
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| rizen | especially if we leave the default type to text | 19:25 |
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| rizen | if we change the default type to textarea | 19:25 |
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| rizen | then it shouldn't be as big of a deal | 19:26 |
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| rizen | either that | 19:26 |
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| rizen | or we don't give it a default type | 19:26 |
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| rizen | but instead just return the raw value | 19:26 |
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| rizen | if no type is specified | 19:26 |
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| rizen | the raw value from the param() method | 19:26 |
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| perlDreamer | What about forcing a type to be used? | 19:26 |
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| rizen | why | 19:26 |
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| rizen | there's a lot of times when you just want the raw value | 19:26 |
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| rizen | you don't care about any kind of processing | 19:27 |
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| perlDreamer | then you should call param, not process | 19:27 |
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| rizen | ok, fair enough | 19:27 |
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| rizen | does that mean you want to go through the 150k lines of webgui | 19:27 |
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| rizen | and find out which is which? | 19:27 |
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| rizen | or do you want to just change process | 19:27 |
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| rizen | so it returns param() | 19:27 |
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| rizen | if nothing is specified for type | 19:27 |
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| perlDreamer | that would be less work | 19:28 |
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| perlDreamer | and achieve the same result | 19:28 |
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| * crythias is going to be in Chicago July 9-15 | 19:28 |
| rizen | hehe | 19:28 |
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| rizen | i don't often go with the right answer | 19:28 |
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| rizen | i go with the answer that works | 19:28 |
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| rizen | maybe i shouldn't do that | 19:28 |
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| rizen | but i think we get more done | 19:28 |
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| crythias | heh. It gets me into trouble. | 19:28 |
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| perlDreamer | well, we've done a lot of the "right answer" work lately (Assets, session) | 19:28 |
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| rizen | and we end up with a more usable product in the end | 19:28 |
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| rizen | yes | 19:28 |
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| rizen | you're right | 19:29 |
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| rizen | we have | 19:29 |
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| perlDreamer | And I know you're more tired than I am | 19:29 |
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| perlDreamer | since I don' t have to deal with customers | 19:29 |
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| rizen | i'm getting my second wind now | 19:29 |
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| rizen | i've got lots of "business" stuff to attend to this week | 19:29 |
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| rizen | but starting next week I'm going to kick it in the ass again | 19:29 |
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| rizen | and i think there should be some major progress | 19:30 |
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| * perlDreamer orders cast-iron underwear | 19:30 |
| rizen | especially now that runHourly has been completely converted to workflow | 19:30 |
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| rizen | that was a big pig | 19:30 |
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| perlDreamer | so do you want to split the two fixes? | 19:31 |
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| rizen | i can just do them both | 19:32 |
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| rizen | they're both easy | 19:32 |
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| perlDreamer | okay | 19:32 |
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| perlDreamer | after you check in, let me know and I'll retest and close out my DataForm bug | 19:32 |
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| rizen | one done | 19:33 |
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| rizen | not checked int though | 19:33 |
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| snapcount | I'm late to the party | 19:36 |
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| snapcount | did we come up with a solution for the process method that makes everyone all warm and fuzzy inside | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | just scroll up | 19:37 |
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| snapcount | looks like a novel up there | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | Yeah, I'm too verbose | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | here's a summary | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | we have two bugs | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | JT will fix them | 19:37 |
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| perlDreamer | Then he's going to kick ass | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I'm buying cast-iron underwear | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Matt is whipped | 19:38 |
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| snapcount | I like summaries | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | there yo ugo | 19:38 |
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| rizen | don't forget you're ordering iron underware | 19:38 |
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| rizen | and that gerald will be in chicago | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | Oh, yeah | 19:38 |
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| rizen | two key points | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I've seen your feet dude. | 19:38 |
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| perlDreamer | I don't want to be in the line of fire | 19:38 |
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| rizen | checked in | 19:41 |
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| rizen | gerald, are you coming to chicago to burn it to the ground? | 19:41 |
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| snapcount | BeerPerson: FYI, we submitted the group applications like you asked | 19:41 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: I tested the fixes. In the DataForm I can generate a select List that works, but doesn't have any default values set. | 19:43 |
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| perlDreamer | I'll try debugging it today as I get some time | 19:43 |
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| rizen | why do you insist on troubling me? | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | bad upbringing | 19:44 |
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| snapcount | perlDreamer: WebGUI < $dayJob =) | 19:44 |
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| snapcount | is that what you're telling us? | 19:44 |
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| perlDreamer | It's a tragedy | 19:45 |
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| perlDreamer | but true | 19:45 |
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| perlDreamer | especially since they gave me a chip to work on | 19:45 |
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| snapcount | bah | 19:45 |
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| snapcount | do you get to use the laser on it? | 19:45 |
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| perlDreamer | Only if it's broken | 19:45 |
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| snapcount | I could never work there... I would use the laser on everything | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | It's not very portable | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | I would still use it on everything | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | fruit | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | vegetables | 19:46 |
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| snapcount | insects | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | Snapcount's DIY Tattoo parlor | 19:46 |
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| rizen | colin, i need you to design a non-silicon based solar panel for me | 19:46 |
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| rizen | can do you that? | 19:46 |
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| perlDreamer | It would be very expensive since it's not in silicon | 19:47 |
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| rizen | silicon is expensive | 19:47 |
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| rizen | i need one made of plastic | 19:47 |
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| rizen | also, silcon is not as durable as plastic | 19:47 |
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| * snapcount scratches his head | 19:47 |
| rizen | cuz i want to use it as roofing material | 19:47 |
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| rizen | =) | 19:47 |
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| rizen | why are you scratching your head | 19:48 |
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| snapcount | do you guys get enough sun where you live for it to be worth it | 19:48 |
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| snapcount | I have fleas | 19:48 |
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| crythias | nope. not burning down Chicago. Just a conference. | 19:48 |
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| crythias | roy uses shamu | 19:49 |
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| rizen | we get enough sun, yes | 19:49 |
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| rizen | especially if i can use this stuff as siding and roofing | 19:49 |
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| snapcount | last time I was there, all the roofs were covered with white matter | 19:49 |
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| rizen | cover my whole house in it | 19:49 |
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| perlDreamer | plastic breaks down in sunlight | 19:49 |
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| rizen | ok, then while you're at it, make me a new plastic that doesn't break down in sunlight | 19:50 |
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| snapcount | we don't want excuses perlDreamer | 19:50 |
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| snapcount | just make it work | 19:50 |
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| perlDreamer | Silly me, trying to obey the law of physics | 19:50 |
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| rizen | i need to make an electric house | 19:50 |
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| rizen | that can charge the electric car i want to build | 19:50 |
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| * crythias reads new digg headline: Scientists find that asbestos makes better solar panel than silicon. Mesothelioma victims cough up a lung in support. | 19:50 |
| snapcount | how about wind power... (since you live in the windy city) | 19:50 |
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| rizen | it's named the windy city because of the politicians | 19:51 |
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| rizen | not due to weather | 19:51 |
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| snapcount | don't make me look that up | 19:51 |
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| rizen | go ahead | 19:51 |
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| rizen | it's true | 19:51 |
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| rizen | http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-win1.htm | 19:52 |
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| WRE | <rizen> http://tinyurl.com/o8l5e | 19:52 |
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| snapcount | http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weather/history/chicago-nickname.htm | 19:52 |
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| rizen | i don't want to hear your facts | 19:53 |
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| rizen | you should go with the truth that "feels" right | 19:53 |
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| snapcount | haha | 19:54 |
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| snapcount | my article supports your claims to some degree | 19:54 |
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| crythias | Originally called the "Windy City" because the city bragged about the 1893 World Expo that was held there. The term has since come to refer to the strong northern winds that blow off the lake in the winter. | 19:54 |
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| snapcount | however, it suggest earliest origins were in fact due to weather | 19:54 |
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| snapcount | but I must agree | 19:55 |
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| rizen | yeah, the article i put there cites that too | 19:55 |
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| snapcount | the politicians seem to have popularized the term | 19:55 |
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| rizen | truthiness | 19:55 |
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| crythias | Let no dead vote go uncounted. | 19:55 |
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| snapcount | rizen is one of those people you don't play trivial pursuit with | 19:55 |
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| rizen | why do you say that? | 19:55 |
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| snapcount | you know too many random facts | 19:56 |
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| rizen | Is it because it's a little known fact that people used to burn down their houses when they moved, so they could recover the nails, because nails were very expensive. | 19:56 |
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| rizen | ?? | 19:56 |
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| snapcount | more expensive than lumber | 19:56 |
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| snapcount | that's interesting | 19:56 |
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| rizen | far more expensive | 19:57 |
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| snapcount | here's a fun fact | 19:57 |
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| rizen | you had to refine metal | 19:57 |
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| snapcount | calc urine | 19:57 |
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| WRE | urine = <pb_M-Train> Did you know that all humans can urinate through their navels? | 19:57 |
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| rizen | what? | 19:57 |
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| rizen | i suppose | 19:57 |
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| snapcount | he says you can breath through your ears as well | 19:57 |
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| rizen | since that's how you do it when you're in the womb | 19:57 |
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| crythias | Scientist: "Did you know that if you put a nail in a bottle of cola, it will dissolve?" Blonde in the back of the room: "Do we have to use a real nail, or can it be a press-on?" | 19:57 |
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| rizen | heh | 19:57 |
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| * snapcount hears a faint chuckle in the distance | 19:58 |
| rizen | that's not actually true, on either count | 19:58 |
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| rizen | but funny none-the-less | 19:58 |
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| snapcount | cool | 19:59 |
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| snapcount | the EMS will now handle an infinite number of subevents | 19:59 |
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| snapcount | although, if they are deeply nested | 20:00 |
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| snapcount | you will see many prompts | 20:00 |
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| * crythias tried to reach infinity, once. I took a long time, but never reached it. I'll try again next year. | 20:00 |
| snapcount | the key is to keep trying | 20:01 |
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| snapcount | everytime you stop | 20:01 |
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| snapcount | it gets further away | 20:01 |
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| rizen | I tried to contain myself, but I escaped. | 20:01 |
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| snapcount | heh | 20:01 |
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