WebGUI irc logs from: 2006-02.log

--- Log opened Wed Feb 01 00:00:49 2006
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pass	I am going through the install process. The latest tarball is missing index.pl. Where can I get this file?	00:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) what version?	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) 6.8.x	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) if it is, index.pl does not exist anymore	00:24
pass	Yes it is 6.8.5. So the install doc isn't up to date?	00:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) probably not	00:25
pass	So, what am I supposed to be using/doing instead?	00:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) actually... it seems to be up to date in head	00:26
@pbmdawg	the install.txt	00:26
@pbmdawg	in 6.8.5	00:26
@pbmdawg	is up to date	00:26
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah	00:26
pass	ok, thanks	00:26
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh it is... I don't have 6.8.5 on my system right now	00:26
@pbmdawg	look under /docs/	00:27
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) grr... it's sad when you can't remember the commands to your own bot	00:30
@WRE	* (snapcount@EN) shakes his head in disappointment at him self	00:30
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perlDreamer	hey, all!	01:15
@pbmdawg	hi	01:18
@pbmdawg	kayak.com is cool	01:18
perlDreamer	is it just an aggregator?	01:20
@WRE	(phobia@EN) eh?	01:20
@WRE	(phobia@EN) looking for me? :)	01:20
@WRE	(phobia@EN) it's "!lastspoke" btw	01:20
@WRE	(phobia@EN) kiXass http://www.insecure.org/stf/Nmap-4.00-Release.html	01:24
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@WRE	*** Nick Change: Nickola is now phobia on EFnet	02:41
@pbmdawg	pass: I just updated the source installation documentation at http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui	02:54
@WRE	<pbmdawg> http://tinyurl.com/4baaa	02:54
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@WRE	(phobia@EN) :)	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I guess I don't have that on gooey	03:47
@WRE	(phobia@EN) looks like bseen.tcl is broken	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) just on wre	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ah damn	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) he's talking again	03:47
@WRE	(phobia@EN) gooey what is your problem?	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm going to have to turn that off	03:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Hey phob, I was thinking it might be better for Nickola to start off fixing bugs	03:49
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) do you think she would like to do that	03:49
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm going to be doing them soon and I figured we could work on them together	03:49
@WRE	(phobia@EN) cool	03:49
@WRE	(phobia@EN) yah she'd probably like that	03:49
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) probably a little easier way to ease into things	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ok... pass it on	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) <tag> you're it	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hehe	03:50
@WRE	(phobia@EN) heh done	03:50
@WRE	(phobia@EN) right now I am using her computer...	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) that's cool	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm being lazy now anyways	03:50
@WRE	(phobia@EN) I'm supposed to be getting my laptop back tomorrow	03:50
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) back?	03:51
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) who has it	03:51
@WRE	(phobia@EN) SPA	03:51
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) why do they have your laptop	03:51
@WRE	(phobia@EN) well it was there laptop	03:51
@WRE	(phobia@EN) but I negotiated it as part of my settlement	03:51
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) nice	03:51
@WRE	(phobia@EN) their	03:51
@WRE	(phobia@EN) not there	03:51
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you rule	03:51
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I finally sold that stock	03:52
@WRE	(phobia@EN) wicked	03:52
@WRE	(phobia@EN) anyway I gotta go, back later	03:52
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) see ya	03:53
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) pbmdawg: where do you think you're going?	03:54
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* pbmdawg sings softly with a slight lisp, "yes, I love technology...."		05:20
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) pbmdawg: where do you think you're going?	05:20
@pbmdawg	ur	05:21
@pbmdawg	oh	05:21
@pbmdawg	"wherever I want to go, gawww"	05:21
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Tina! Eat your food	05:21
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hehe	05:21
@pbmdawg	So, we're pretty much friends by now, right?	05:22
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) well that depends	05:23
@pbmdawg	Tina, you fat lard, come get some DINNER!	05:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) if you keep sucking at your current rate... our friendship will only last for a finite amount of time	05:23
@WRE	* (snapcount@EN) begins training to be a cage fighter	05:24
@pbmdawg	LaFawnduh is the best thing that has ever happened to me. I'm 100% positive she's my soul mate. Don't worry Napoleon, I'm sure there's a babe out there for you too. Peace out.	05:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) lol	05:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) so great	05:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) turn the beat around.... got to have percussion...	05:26
@pbmdawg	Grandma took a little spill at the sand dunes today. Broke her coccyx.	05:26
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) da da da da	05:26
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) heh my dog is wigging out	05:27
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) chasing invisible creatures and barking	05:27
@pbmdawg	So are you guys like Pedro's cousins with all the sweet hookups?	05:27
@pbmdawg	Geez, I think you ripped my mole off.	05:28
@pbmdawg	Don: Do you wanna die Napoleon?	05:28
@pbmdawg	Napoleon Dynamite: Yeah right. Who's the only one here who knows the illegal ninja moves from the government?	05:28
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crythias	sigh	07:01
crythias	it happened that my hd in my laptop failed.	07:01
crythias	bound to happen.	07:01
crythias	unfortunately, I forgot that I didn't have a *nix workstation anymore.	07:01
crythias	can I just say that it's strange working on both a desktop and a fast pc?	07:02
crythias	but alas, I never got this dev box to be friendly.	07:02
crythias	I'm back in my happy place for a bit. ion3 is zippy :)	07:03
crythias	but I don't have firefox or thunderbird on this machine yet. so ..	07:03
crythias	"Crythias likes to talk to himself a lot. He averages 20 lines with no responses."	07:04
crythias	calc crythias	07:04
@WRE	crythias = saihtyrc	07:04
crythias	greets later.	07:04
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@pbmdawg	crythias	07:29
crythias	yeah	07:30
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lenthamen	chansen ?	16:21
chansen	lenthamen: pong	16:25
lenthamen	In mod_perl I want to add output to a request. I reckon I can do that using a PerlOutputFilterHandler	16:26
chansen	sure	16:26
lenthamen	but I get a "Apache2::Filter::print: (13) Permission denied"	16:26
chansen	strange	16:27
chansen	It's a sys error errno 13, do you have proper permissions on tempfiles?	16:28
lenthamen	Wait.... I think I know what's going wrong...	16:30
lenthamen	I'm printing after eos.	16:30
lenthamen	End Of Stream indicator	16:31
lenthamen	BTW: I have the code profiler working under mod_perl2.... I'm recursively looping through @WebGUI:: searching for CODE refs, and instrument that code refs.	16:33
chansen	:)	16:34
lenthamen	It took me half a day to figure out I need to do that in the ChildInit phase otherwise it won't work.	16:35
chansen	does WebGUI buffer output and write it at once or does it stream it?	16:36
lenthamen	buffer	16:36
chansen	ok :)	16:37
lenthamen	JT changed that a week ago. The upper part of the html is now send back to the browser in an early stage so it seems that the page is generated faster...	16:38
chansen	ic	16:45
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crythias	hi	17:25
MrHairgrease	hi	17:26
pbmdawg	hey len	17:41
pbmdawg	is MSN working for you	17:41
lenthamen	hey	18:07
lenthamen	msn works :)	18:07
lenthamen	and my outputfilter works too :)	18:08
pass	when I access WebGUI I keep seeing this in the apache2 logs: client denied by server configuration: /data/www/extras/wz_tooltip.js	18:30
pass	Anybody know how to fix this?	18:30
pbmdawg	if no one answers here, post a question on the forums	18:33
MrHairgrease	I'm not sure but it seems to be something in your httpd.conf	18:35
MrHairgrease	what happens when you go to /extras/wz_tooltip.js in your browser	18:35
MrHairgrease	?	18:36
pass	I get a forbidden error.	18:37
MrHairgrease	also when you are logged in as admin?	18:38
pass	I didn't try logging in yet.	18:38
MrHairgrease	try that first	18:39
pass	I logged in and I see a lot of the 'client denied by server configuration' errors when trying to access files in the /data/www/extras directory.	18:41
MrHairgrease	it's probably something in our apache configuration.	18:41
MrHairgrease	did you disable the rewriterule for extras?	18:42
pass	probably not, what is the rewriterule for extras?	18:42
MrHairgrease	it's a apache directive that allows you to rewrite urls	18:43
MrHairgrease	if you are upgrading ther's a big chance that it is still in there	18:43
pass	I didn't upgrade, this is my first time installing webgui	18:44
MrHairgrease	ok	18:44
MrHairgrease	the only thing I can think of is that you httpd config is flawed somewhere	18:44
MrHairgrease	pbmdawg	18:45
pass	I have 'Alias /extras /data/www/extras' in my config.	18:46
MrHairgrease	which version of subversion are you guys running at svn.webgui.org?	18:46
MrHairgrease	ditch the alias	18:46
pass	ok	18:46
pass	well that didn't help, do I need to setup a <Directory /> directive for /data/www/extas?	18:48
pass	s/extas/extras/	18:48
MrHairgrease	No	18:48
MrHairgrease	wait	18:48
MrHairgrease	You must don't have to mention the extras directory in your config at all.	18:53
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's not in the docs but	19:06
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's probably easiest to have an alias for your extras	19:07
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) also check your directory permissions to make sure the user the apache process runs as can read the directory	19:07
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras	19:08
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) also... unless you copied extras from WebGUI to www (which you prolly shouldn't do) it should be in /data/WebGUI/www/extras	19:09
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) without an alias	19:09
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) apache is going to look for the extras folder in whatever you have the document root set to	19:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and unless you copy the folder or symlink it, it won't find it	19:10
crythias	it's Allow, deny problem	19:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) (without the alias directive)	19:10
crythias	in httpd.conf	19:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) could be that too	19:10
crythias	by default httpd.conf denies everything but docroot	19:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) but an alias would still work	19:11
crythias	so you need a <Directory> directive for the extras (and uploads) to Allow, Deny	19:11
crythias	alias would work only if follow symlinks is allowed.	19:12
pass	I added a <Directory> directive and the errors went away . Now I can't login.	19:13
pass	Here's what I see in the apache log: Can't call method "content_type" on an undefined value at /data/lib/WebGUI/HTTP.pm line 84.\n, referer: http://www.esteem2.com/public	19:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) pass: what O/S are you on specifically?	19:19
pass	Debian sarge	19:19
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you may want to use the wre. there is a binary on sourceforge for debain	19:19
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's a lot easier =)	19:20
pass	ok	19:20
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) seems like you have a lot invested in the manual install though.	19:20
pass	about a day	19:21
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Using the WRE you should be up and running in less than an hour	19:22
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) depending on how long it takes you to download the files	19:22
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you'll also have the benefits of everything being configured for performance	19:23
pass	I'll look into it, thanks	19:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) np	19:23
MrHairgrease	snapcount	19:27
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) MrHairgrease	19:28
MrHairgrease	who installed SVN::Web on svn.webgui.org	19:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) prolly papa smurf	19:28
MrHairgrease	ah JT	19:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it was on there before I was hired =)	19:28
MrHairgrease	ah ok	19:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) why?	19:28
MrHairgrease	I've struggled with installing it here the whole afternoon	19:29
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ahh	19:29
MrHairgrease	svn 1.3.0 didn't work	19:29
MrHairgrease	so back to 1.2.6	19:29
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I got the repository working locally	19:29
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) but never fooled with the web part	19:29
MrHairgrease	yeah we're gonna use it at procolix for internal projects	19:30
MrHairgrease	installing svn is easy	19:30
MrHairgrease	but getting the web frontend to work is the biggest pain i've had i months	19:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) heh	19:30
MrHairgrease	anyway	19:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) well I wouldn't expect rizen on here any time soon	19:30
MrHairgrease	time to go home	19:30
MrHairgrease	see you guys later	19:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) he's hiding until 6.9 is done	19:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) later	19:31
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@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh my	19:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's papa johns time =)	19:58
pbmdawg	augh	20:01
pbmdawg	torture	20:01
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) torture that you can't have papa johns?	20:01
pbmdawg	i can	20:02
pbmdawg	it just takes too much time to go pick up	20:02
pbmdawg	the delivery fee.tip is just so much	20:02
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) delivery	20:02
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) duh	20:02
pbmdawg	ehh	20:08
pbmdawg	hunger wins	20:08
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ahh... the convienience of ordering pizza online	20:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) zero interaction with retards required	20:11
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@pbmdawg	welcome oh1mrr	20:14
oh1mrr	Thanks pbmdawg	20:14
oh1mrr	And ge	20:15
@xdanger	o someone else form finland =)	20:16
@xdanger	from	20:16
oh1mrr	Yes, from Pori	20:16
@xdanger	I'm from Jyv�skyl�	20:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) wow... looks like a full house over there on freenode	20:17
@xdanger	oh1mrr: user of webgui ?	20:19
oh1mrr	newbie and have problems to get it working properly :(	20:21
@pbmdawg	well there are plenty of volunteers here willing to help you out :)	20:21
@pbmdawg	just not me for the next hour .	20:21
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@xdanger	oh1mrr: what version and what distro ?	20:22
@xdanger	and what's your problem with it ?-)	20:22
oh1mrr	If somebody could send me httpd.conf file, how I should do the things. I can ger webgui running, but trying to connect into server I can see only that index.pl script	20:24
oh1mrr	I have latest webgui and distro is Mandriva 2006	20:25
@xdanger	the latest webgui (6.8.5-gamma) doesn't have a index.pl	20:26
@xdanger	or does it have index.pl, don't know, but it doesn't use it =)	20:27
oh1mrr	When I start: service httpd start	20:30
oh1mrr	Starting httpd:	20:30
oh1mrr	Starting WebGUI 6.8.5	20:30
oh1mrr	Loading www.example.com.conf	20:30
oh1mrr	Loading www.oh1mrr.ampr.org.confWebGUI Started!	20:30
oh1mrr	Argh sorry It slipped :(	20:30
@xdanger	are you using wre ?	20:31
oh1mrr	No	20:31
crythias	the problem is...	20:32
@xdanger	did you check out: http://www.plainblack.com/installing_webgui	20:32
@WRE	<xdanger> http://tinyurl.com/4baaa	20:32
crythias	don't send him there.	20:32
@xdanger	=)	20:32
crythias	invalid for 685	20:32
crythias	or, at least it has ben.	20:32
oh1mrr	Just coming soon back, somebodys at the door	20:33
@xdanger	didn't matt say earlier that he renewed it for 6.8.x ?	20:33
crythias	I dunno. I guess I wasn't here for that revelation.	20:33
crythias	oh	20:34
MrHairgrease	oh1mrr: check this http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YFJ6tQ36.html	20:34
@WRE	<MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/dv3ue	20:34
crythias	guess it's better	20:34
MrHairgrease	it's a working vhost def for a 685 site	20:34
@xdanger	but now to home -->	20:35
@xdanger	oh1mrr: you can allways buy hosting from us ;)	20:35
oh1mrr	Ok, back. Now from the beginning, using Mandriva, apache2, webgui 6.8.5 and when starting sever I get webgi started message, but when connecting server I can see only directory listing. So doubt is that I can't connect into webgui, but normal http server	20:40
oh1mrr	So I could use ready httpd.conf file as an exaple :)	20:42
MrHairgrease	you checked out the link i posted?	20:42
oh1mrr	Checking now, and comparing. I'll do the changes	20:45
MrHairgrease	ok	20:45
MrHairgrease	oh and you should probably ditch the www.example.com.conf file from your WebGUI/etc directory	20:46
oh1mrr	Yes	20:50
MrHairgrease	does it work?	20:51
oh1mrr	Nope	20:52
MrHairgrease	hmm	20:52
MrHairgrease	did you put in LoadModule apreq_module modules/mod_apreq2.so?	20:54
MrHairgrease	oh and be sure that above the vhost def you put 'NameVirtualHost *' without the ''.	20:55
MrHairgrease	Not sure if that matters but you never know	20:55
MrHairgrease	Also what does your error log say?	20:56
oh1mrr	I didn't have apreq2 module line, but when added, I got :[root@oh1mrr conf]# service httpd start	21:01
oh1mrr	Starting httpd: httpd: Syntax error on line 248 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	21:01
oh1mrr	But Im sure ihave installed it	21:01
MrHairgrease	hmm	21:01
MrHairgrease	that's weird	21:01
MrHairgrease	try to do 'locate mod_apreq'	21:02
oh1mrr	Now it's making me laughing, locate mod_apreq	21:05
oh1mrr	bash: locate: command not found	21:05
MrHairgrease	you don't have locate?	21:05
oh1mrr	Seems so, urpmi locate	21:06
oh1mrr	no package named locate	21:06
MrHairgrease	try urpmq -y locate	21:07
MrHairgrease	also did you install these packages?	21:08
MrHairgrease	apache2-mod_apreq libapreq2 perl-libapreq2	21:08
MrHairgrease	ah	21:09
MrHairgrease	you probably have slocate installed	21:09
oh1mrr	These installed :[root@oh1mrr conf]# rpm -qa \| grep apreq2	21:09
oh1mrr	libapreq2-2.06-4.dev.4mdk	21:09
oh1mrr	perl-libapreq2-2.06-4.dev.4mdk	21:09
MrHairgrease	yeah and also apache2-mod_apreq	21:10
MrHairgrease	you need that one too	21:10
oh1mrr	I found mod_apreq2 from /usr/lib/apache-extramodules	21:21
MrHairgrease	ah great	21:23
oh1mrr	But still getting Starting httpd: httpd: Syntax error on line 248 of /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_apreq2.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory	21:24
MrHairgrease	ok	21:26
MrHairgrease	then find the location of mod_apreq2.so	21:26
MrHairgrease	and put the full path in the LoadModule line	21:26
MrHairgrease	in stead of a relative one (like module/mod_apreq2.so)	21:27
oh1mrr	Something happened, now getting: The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request, when trying to connect into server, error_log shows	21:37
oh1mrr	`WebGUI': Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i `WebGUI': Can't locate WebGUI.pm in @INC (@INC contains: etc, it's obvious, that I have some paths missconfigured	21:37
MrHairgrease	hmm, you could try PerlSetEnv PERL5LIB /path/to/WebGUI/lib after the LoadModule stuff	21:40
oh1mrr	Didn't help :(	21:45
MrHairgrease	ok try this	21:45
MrHairgrease	create a file startup.pl	21:45
MrHairgrease	containing	21:45
MrHairgrease	use lib qw(/path/to/WebGUI/lib); 1;	21:46
MrHairgrease	then do a PerlRequire startup.pl	21:46
MrHairgrease	better even	21:47
MrHairgrease	put an enter between the first ; and 1	21:48
MrHairgrease	only looks nicer though	21:48
oh1mrr	Da*** Have to quit for now, family expect me doing something else, sure coming back tomorrow. GN and thanks a lot.	21:58
MrHairgrease	bye	21:59
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MrHairgrease	hey len	14:52
MrHairgrease	have you ever got the test suite to work?	14:53
lenthamen	hey Martin.	14:56
lenthamen	I haven't tested the test suite ;)	14:56
MrHairgrease	heh	14:56
MrHairgrease	I think I know what the problem is already	14:56
MrHairgrease	It looks like the test suite is using the wrong perl	14:56
MrHairgrease	gonna check it out further	14:56
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@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Goodmorning everyone	16:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) or whatever time it is on your side of the earth =)	16:11
MrHairgrease	here it's still morning	16:12
MrHairgrease	it's only 15:10	16:12
MrHairgrease	so I just got out of bed =)	16:13
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) haha	16:13
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) looks like you can add that switch	16:13
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) cool	16:13
MrHairgrease	yeah I was actualling running the test suite while I was asleep.	16:14
MrHairgrease	bet you can't do that ;)	16:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) sure I can	16:14
MrHairgrease	damn	16:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'd have to start it while I was awake	16:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) but it could run while I was sleeping	16:14
MrHairgrease	use cron	16:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) =)	16:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) err	16:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you one upped me	16:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) =)	16:15
MrHairgrease	one-upped?	16:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) an expression	16:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you did one better	16:15
MrHairgrease	ok	16:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hard to explain	16:15
MrHairgrease	I'm thinking of building the graphing stuff that was mentioned on the dev list a while ago	16:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) do other language have a lot of expressions that don't really translate into something meaningful?	16:16
MrHairgrease	Yeah dutch	16:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) English has a lot	16:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I took two years of Spanish but it was worthless	16:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I can ask where the bathroom is and say hi	16:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) coooooool	16:17
MrHairgrease	Well that's about as good as my french	16:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) What are you going to use to do it?	16:17
MrHairgrease	image magick	16:17
MrHairgrease	wait i'll post some examples	16:18
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) nice	16:18
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) are you going to model it after the Chartdirector API?	16:18
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MrHairgrease	snapcount: http://geefmegeld.nl/charts	16:26
MrHairgrease	don't know about the CD api	16:27
MrHairgrease	never used it	16:27
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) those look pretty good	16:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) are you a math guy?	16:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) math major at university?	16:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you should look at the ChartDirector Asset I contributed	16:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm using a library called ChartDirector	16:32
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) the API for it is really nice	16:32
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) maybe you could use it as a starting point	16:32
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) your graphs look really good so far	16:32
MrHairgrease	No	16:33
MrHairgrease	no math	16:33
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) really	16:33
MrHairgrease	electrical enigineering	16:33
MrHairgrease	you know silicon and stuff	16:33
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) might as well be a math major =)	16:34
MrHairgrease	math is a tool	16:34
MrHairgrease	tools suck	16:34
MrHairgrease	but you need em anyway	16:34
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah... I worked as an Electronics Technician for four years	16:34
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) not an engineer by any means	16:34
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) but I know a bit	16:34
MrHairgrease	cool	16:34
MrHairgrease	you're also a student?	16:34
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah	16:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I already have a degree in programming	16:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm working on a business degree now	16:35
MrHairgrease	ok	16:35
MrHairgrease	snapcount	16:45
MrHairgrease	does the chart director asset run on 6.8.5?	16:45
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crythias	heh math is a tool	18:10
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crythias	Alex, I'll take minimum system req's to run WebGUI for $500	18:22
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) What is a 386 SX/33 with 4 MB Ram	18:23
@pbmdawg	no, snapcount, i'm sorry; those are the minimum system requirements to decompress webgui's tar.gz	18:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ahh shucks	18:24
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@pbmdawg	welcome J-J	18:27
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@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ooooooohhhhhhhhhh weeeeeeeeeee	18:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you and me goin' fishin' 'n tha dark	18:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) da da da	18:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) gimmie a gimmie a gimmie a redneck girl....	18:33
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you guys should sing some dutch songs	18:33
@pbmdawg	roy: get on aim. or unblock me.	18:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) why would I do that	18:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) the feature is working as intended =)	18:35
@pbmdawg	blargh	18:36
crythias	new blargh beer. Ask for it by name!	18:36
MrHairgrease	ah beer!	18:37
MrHairgrease	good idea gerald	18:37
crythias	Too drunk to order? not anymore	18:37
@pbmdawg	hahahha	18:37
crythias	How do you think "Bud" keeps on being sold.	18:37
MrHairgrease	damn	18:37
crythias	junky beer.	18:38
MrHairgrease	no cold beers @ procolix	18:38
MrHairgrease	time to go home then =)	18:38
crythias	heh	18:38
@pbmdawg	how big's your office martin	18:38
MrHairgrease	this big	18:38
@pbmdawg	wow	18:39
MrHairgrease	on a scale from 1 to 10 that is	18:39
* crythias resizes his window...		18:39
MrHairgrease	ahhh	18:39
MrHairgrease	the walls are coming closer	18:39
* crythias passes a Ricola.		18:39
crythias	around.	18:39
MrHairgrease	you guys saw this already? http://geefmegeld.nl/charts	18:40
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crythias	kewl. now I feel like I need a key lime pie.	18:40
MrHairgrease	Problem is	18:40
crythias	or a cheesecake.	18:40
MrHairgrease	the code that made it now segfaults	18:41
MrHairgrease	so I'm debugging it right now	18:41
crythias	smack seg around. Tell him to stop faulting.	18:41
@pbmdawg	who's that big guy by the Perl sign	18:41
MrHairgrease	yours truly	18:41
MrHairgrease	duh	18:41
crythias	^Page(title); doesn't work.	18:42
MrHairgrease	Yeah I noticed	18:42
MrHairgrease	but i don't care	18:42
@pbmdawg	in what version	18:42
perlDreamer	roy?	18:42
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) colin?	18:42
MrHairgrease	dunno	18:42
crythias	6.7.8, apparently.	18:42
perlDreamer	can we talk a little EventManager?	18:43
MrHairgrease	check the page source	18:43
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) sure	18:43
perlDreamer	how done is the code?	18:43
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) 40%	18:43
perlDreamer	cool	18:43
@pbmdawg	what does geef me geld mean	18:43
perlDreamer	then I'm not going crazy :)	18:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm working on the view method now	18:44
@pbmdawg	do I want to know	18:44
crythias	he wants gold	18:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's all complicated now	18:44
@pbmdawg	it doesn't mean, "gild me"?	18:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) perlDreamer: going crazy?	18:44
crythias	or maybe he wants (to be) a gelding.	18:44
perlDreamer	pbmdawg, if he did, you'd be gilty of gold theft :)	18:44
perlDreamer	snapcount: I was looking for the logic using maximumAttendees and couldn't find it	18:45
MrHairgrease	it means givememoney	18:45
@pbmdawg	I thought it said glbta at first	18:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh	18:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah that doesn't exist yet	18:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it will be a query	18:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) will exist today though	18:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I PODified everything and alphabetized for you	18:45
perlDreamer	thanks!	18:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) sure thing	18:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'll just pod as I go	18:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and you can edit it for clarity	18:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) as you see fit	18:46
perlDreamer	that will make my POD checker happy	18:46
@pbmdawg	happier	18:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hehe	18:47
perlDreamer	hey, I'm only about 45 files away from an automated test run	18:47
@pbmdawg	really.....	18:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) no shit	18:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) wow!	18:47
perlDreamer	yeah	18:47
perlDreamer	unfortunately, they're the 45 biggest files	18:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you've been busy	18:47
perlDreamer	:(	18:47
perlDreamer	I did like 50 files in December	18:47
perlDreamer	all little stuff like Macros, some operations, etc.	18:48
perlDreamer	all: I've got a deal where if all tests pass in the test suite that an automated test run will be done nightly and sent out via email	18:49
perlDreamer	the POD test is in the worst shape	18:49
perlDreamer	so if you're bored, write some POD or run and fix the tests	18:49
@pbmdawg	I can write pod.	18:50
@xdanger	Is there a way to define textarea size per user ?	18:51
perlDreamer	nothing straight forward	18:51
@xdanger	just that the administrator want's to use something like 80x25, but for user the default would be better...	18:51
@pbmdawg	=head2 thisSub	18:51
@pbmdawg	Might do something. Might return something.	18:51
@pbmdawg	=cut	18:51
@pbmdawg	if you hack RichEdit.pm (or make it templatable... hint, hint), you can make tinymce resizable.	18:52
@xdanger	I'm actually talking about default textarea, but that would also be nice ;)	18:53
@pbmdawg	oh, textarea.	18:53
@pbmdawg	sry	18:53
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@xdanger	And another idea/question... how about a posibility to authenticate the session with httpauth ? I have a closed intranet and there could be a direct way to get the rss from a listing via http://user:pass@webguisite/intranet/cs?func=viewRSS	18:55
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I think chansen is going to be re-writing the Auth System for 6.9	18:56
perlDreamer	I just reran the POD test, and there are exactly 40 files needing substantive POD	18:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) did mine pass?	18:57
perlDreamer	yes	18:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) sweet	18:57
perlDreamer	pbmdawg's skeleton code would make any sub pass, and there's a threshold for how many subs can get by without POD	18:58
perlDreamer	committing l10n work	19:14
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perlDreamer	anyone familiar with the search guts?	19:21
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) just JT I think	19:22
MrHairgrease	going home	19:23
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perlDreamer	snapcount: would you have a problem if I do stuff like this:	19:33
perlDreamer	sprintf "<a href="%s">%s</a>", $self->getUrl("func=approveEvent;pid=".$pid), $i18n->get('approve event')	19:34
perlDreamer	instead of using . to concatenate strings?	19:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) no	19:38
perlDreamer	cool, thanks!	19:38
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) that's fine with me	19:38
perlDreamer	I have a hard time reading all the quotes and dots	19:38
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hehe	19:39
perlDreamer	committing	19:47
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perlDreamer	are standard rules of precedence used for the Operator field in www_editEvent?	19:54
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh sorry	19:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) took me a minute to realize what you were talking about	19:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) sort of	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) one event may have many prereqs	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) those prereqs are all anded together	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) each prereq definition follows the rule assigned to it	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and or or	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) does that make sense?	19:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) prereq 1: Event2 OR Event 3	20:00
perlDreamer	oh, okay	20:00
perlDreamer	yeah, that makes sense	20:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) prereq2 2: Event 1 And Event 5 And Event 6	20:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) prereq 1 and 2 are anded	20:00
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perlDreamer	is Manage Events to return to $self->view or is it a function?	20:08
perlDreamer	and what is the PID of a new event?	20:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) PID stems from productId because we're making events extensions of webgui products	20:12
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm not sure what you're asking on the other question	20:13
perlDreamer	on the Add/Edit Event page AdminConsole, there is a link for "Manage Events"	20:13
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Yeah	20:14
perlDreamer	does that go to $self->www_view, or $self->www_ManageEvents?	20:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) manage events	20:14
perlDreamer	cool, thanks	20:14
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Return to site will take them to view	20:14
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@WRE	(snapcount@EN) colin: just committed some stuff	20:19
perlDreamer	ok	20:19
oh1mrr	Ge, read today again install instructions and downloaded "zillions" of perl-modules, I succeeded get WebGui running in my Mandriva.	20:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) congrats!	20:24
perlDreamer	oh, come on now, it's only really half a zillion, isn't it?	20:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) a manual install of WG is no easy task	20:25
@pbmdawg	oh by the way	20:25
@pbmdawg	I should have mentioned in those instructions	20:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) even if you've done it a few times	20:25
@pbmdawg	testEnvironment.pl will install all of those for you if you let it	20:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) nice	20:25
@pbmdawg	but only one at a time	20:25
* crythias was looking at dig talking about a pointer which emits a yellow beam and I was thinking but yeah, you don't want to eat the snow...		20:25
oh1mrr	Nope, full zillion, in Mandriva there's nor ready pacages for full, so from CPAN most of them	20:25
perlDreamer	ouch	20:26
perlDreamer	Fedora Core and CentOs are friendlier than that.	20:26
@pbmdawg	that's what I mean; cpan. testEnvironment.pl uses cpan.	20:26
oh1mrr	Yes, with testE I did	20:26
perlDreamer	snapcount: merged and committed	20:27
@pbmdawg	oh	20:27
oh1mrr	Only one module left without compiling, but seem to work without it	20:27
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) which one?	20:28
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) perlDreamer: cool =)	20:28
oh1mrr	Checking for module Data::Structure::Util: Not Installed	20:29
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah... I think that's used in WSClient Asset	20:29
perlDreamer	yeah	20:29
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) if I remember correctly	20:29
oh1mrr	It won't compile in my system	20:29
crythias	I shouldn't post that	20:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) crythias: what are you talking about	20:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) am I late to the party =)	20:30
perlDreamer	yellow lasers?	20:30
crythias	yeah	20:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh	20:30
crythias	http://digg.com/technology/First_Yellow_Laser_Pointer	20:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) "laser"	20:30
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) </dr evil>	20:31
crythias	with finger motions.	20:31
crythias	air quotes	20:31
crythias	"Alan Parsons Project"	20:31
crythias	better ways to make yellow snow.	20:31
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and I shall call it!!.....	20:31
crythias	but you have more control.	20:31
crythias	ooh. Olde English.	20:32
* pbmdawg has excellent control.		20:32
crythias	sorry. drifting off to more nonsense.	20:32
@pbmdawg	and taking me with you.	20:32
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) colin: are you still working on EMS?	20:32
@pbmdawg	(toward more nonsense)	20:32
crythias	Egad! You astound me, Brain! -- That's a simple task, Pinky.	20:34
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) haha	20:34
@WRE	* (snapcount@EN) sings "my milkshake brings all the girls to the yard...."	20:34
* crythias shakes it like a salt shaker.		20:35
perlDreamer	snapcount: what is EMS?	20:35
crythias	"Uh, I think so, Brain, but we'll never get a monkey to use dental floss."	20:35
perlDreamer	Oh, nm	20:35
perlDreamer	No, I'm done for a little bit	20:35
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) an acronym for what you were working on before	20:36
crythias	EVT MGMT	20:36
perlDreamer	DCTR EVIL	20:36
@pbmdawg	YELO LZR	20:36
perlDreamer	YELO SNOW	20:36
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) MILKSKE	20:36
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) SLTSHKR	20:36
@pbmdawg	BTR CTRL	20:36
perlDreamer	what does Butter Central have to do with anything?	20:37
crythias	smirk	20:37
crythias	"I think so, Brain, but if they called them 'Sad Meals', kids wouldn't buy them!"	20:37
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) GOAT BTR	20:37
perlDreamer	hey now, be nice to goats	20:38
crythias	anyway you read that, it's just. so. wrong.	20:38
@pbmdawg	who's a goat biter	20:38
@pbmdawg	or is it goat butterer	20:38
crythias	beater.	20:38
perlDreamer	isn't that what they add to vodka martini's, goat bitters?	20:38
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) "You milked the cows? We don't have any cows..."	20:38
@pbmdawg	lol	20:38
@pbmdawg	gerald, roy wants you to answer all the support questions from now on	20:39
@pbmdawg	in license plate acronyms only	20:39
@pbmdawg	err	20:39
perlDreamer	sounds like Coy.pm	20:39
@pbmdawg	license plate abbr only	20:39
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) that would be greeeaaattt	20:39
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) thanks Peter	20:40
crythias	oh no	20:40
crythias	bad enough to do it in haiku	20:40
@pbmdawg	who is Peter.	20:40
perlDreamer	ha, soon I will have achieved my goal of 3500 L10n labels inside WebGUI!	20:41
crythias	2HRD2DO	20:41
perlDreamer	Then nothing will stop me from taking over the world	20:41
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Hi Peter, this is Bill Lumberg calling again... we missed you this morning so go ahead and come on in okayy	20:42
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) thanks	20:42
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) $self->getEnglish("L10n");	20:43
perlDreamer	"L" + "ocailzatio" + "n" -> L + 10 letters + n = L10n	20:43
crythias	"I wouldn't say I've been missing work, Bob"	20:43
perlDreamer	kind of like i18n for internationalization	20:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I see	20:44
crythias	no way. I think I just connected a synapse, having learned something.	20:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ocalizatio would be a cool word	20:44
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you should call it 1ocalizatio1	20:44
perlDreamer	oh cal ee zay shun	20:45
perlDreamer	oh cal ee zay tee oh	20:45
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) for 1 letter + "ocalizatio" + 1 letter	20:45
crythias	I think people should be penalized for not reading my FAQ. Seriously.	20:45
perlDreamer	What should we do to them?	20:46
perlDreamer	Rack? Pincers?	20:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) FIRE	20:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) FIRE FIRE FIRE	20:46
perlDreamer	Listen to Wayne Newton records until their heads explode	20:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) turn the beat around.... got to have percussion	20:46
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) turn it upside down	20:46
perlDreamer	that's better than Wayne Newton, bad disco	20:47
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) like a Rhinestone cowboy...	20:47
@pbmdawg	it's pinky ut de brain	20:51
perlDreamer	back in a bit	20:51
@pbmdawg	those numbers are all running backwards!	20:53
@pbmdawg	how will those poor little numbers see where they are going?	20:53
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) did you hit your head?	20:53
@pbmdawg	not sure what you mean	20:54
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) what the hell are you talking about?	20:54
@pbmdawg	stop hurting my ears	20:55
@WRE	* (snapcount@EN) confused	20:55
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I need an opinion	20:56
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I'm naming methods	20:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I have one called eventIsApproved which returns boolean	20:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) which is nice when you have something like if ($self->eventIsApproved) { .. }	20:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) b/c it makes the code very readable	20:57
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) well, I'm writing one now that checks if an event is full	20:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) should it be isEventFull or eventIsFull	20:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) or do you think the whole convention sucks	20:58
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) this method will probably not be used in an if stmt	20:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it will be setting a template variable	20:59
perlDreamer	that will probably be used as a boolean?	20:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) yeah	20:59
perlDreamer	I'd stick with the convention	20:59
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh	21:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it will be used as a <tmpl_if>	21:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) good call	21:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) thx	21:00
perlDreamer	I found some more labels to L10n, so I'll be doing a bit more work on EMS	21:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) ok	21:00
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) what is the diff between i18n and l10n	21:00
perlDreamer	i18n is the process of making something use L10n	21:01
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) so a localization is a language?	21:01
perlDreamer	yes	21:01
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and i18n is a system that allows many languages	21:01
perlDreamer	it's the process of making that system be localizable	21:02
perlDreamer	brb	21:02
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh	21:02
crythias	ooh	21:10
perlDreamer	see this, it will explain it all: http://search.cpan.org/~petdance/Locale-Maketext-1.10/lib/Locale/Maketext/TPJ13.pod	21:11
crythias	got a reflink from my RSS post.	21:11
@WRE	<perlDreamer> http://tinyurl.com/dl7dd	21:11
perlDreamer	actually, wikipedia does a better job of it	21:11
perlDreamer	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalization_and_localization	21:12
@WRE	<perlDreamer> http://tinyurl.com/adcx4	21:12
crythias	:)	21:16
perlDreamer	snapcount: almost ready to commit latest and last work.	21:32
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) last?	21:32
perlDreamer	I've done everything in SVN, so until you commit more, I'll probably turn to writing stuff for Help on EMS so I'll be out of your hair for a bit.	21:33
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) i c	21:33
perlDreamer	could you email me the most recent copy of the spec for this?	21:33
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I need your email addy	21:33
perlDreamer	ckuskie at sterling dot net	21:34
@xdanger	http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?joel.3.219431.12	21:34
@WRE	<xdanger> http://tinyurl.com/9xkgs	21:34
perlDreamer	committing	21:35
perlDreamer	headin' out for lunch	21:38
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perlDreamer	we should make gaim pay for these product advertisements	23:43
@pbmdawg	in my gaim I can change the channel leave msg	23:43
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I like the idea of making them pay better	23:44
perlDreamer	snapcount, I'm doing more L10n work on EMS	23:48
perlDreamer	is the current SOW different from what's on the website for download?	23:48
@pbmdawg	lots more stuff added, I think	23:49
perlDreamer	I haven't ever seen any SOW or spec get smaller.	23:49
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@WRE	(snapcount@EN) anyone have a 6.8.5 up right now?	00:09
perlDreamer	I can set one up, what do you need?	00:09
@pbmdawg	demo	00:09
perlDreamer	or how 'bout demo?	00:09
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) no... want to test off of pb servers	00:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I need you to setup a dataform	00:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and add some fields	00:10
perlDreamer	give me a sec...	00:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) then look at the entries in DataForm_field	00:10
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) select name, assetId from DataForm_field	00:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) cool... thanks a lot	00:11
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I appreciate it	00:11
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perlDreamer	I added two fields, one and two to the Form.	00:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) shit	00:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) that's what I was afraid of	00:15
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) thx	00:15
perlDreamer	you mean automatically adding the mailto fields?	00:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) no	00:16
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) is that a clean install	00:16
perlDreamer	yes	00:16
perlDreamer	I didn't show you the fields from the default mail form on the install.	00:17
perlDreamer	do you want those too?	00:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) Did you check that out from branch	00:17
perlDreamer	yes	00:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) or is it a release	00:17
perlDreamer	you want a clean 6.8.5 instead?	00:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) can you run the upgrade from previousVersion	00:17
perlDreamer	yes	00:17
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) you did that?	00:17
perlDreamer	no, I will do it	00:18
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) oh ok	00:18
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) thank you	00:18
perlDreamer	+---------+------------------------+	00:21
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perlDreamer	+---------+------------------------+	00:21
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perlDreamer	\| subject \| Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA \|	00:21
perlDreamer	\| url \| Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA \|	00:21
perlDreamer	\| message \| Szs5eev3OMssmnsyLRZmWA \|	00:21
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perlDreamer	+---------+------------------------+	00:21
perlDreamer	same setup as last time, but all fields in all dataforms this time	00:21
perlDreamer	so what are you seeing that's worrisome?	00:22
@pbmdawg	DataForm might not be fully versioned for addRevision	00:22
perlDreamer	oh	00:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it's a site specific thing I think	00:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) there is data in that table that is truncated	00:23
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) specifically assetIds and name	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) 14 char assetIds	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) and the name values have the first two chars missing	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) it happened after an upgrade	00:24
perlDreamer	oh	00:24
perlDreamer	that's bad	00:24
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) so I wanted to make sure it wasn't a bug	00:24
perlDreamer	want help chasing it down?	00:24
perlDreamer	I need about 15 minutes to clean something up, then I'm good.	00:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) I think JT knows what's wrong	00:25
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) hold on...	00:26
perlDreamer	not a good day...	00:43
perlDreamer	Is anyone familiar with Redirect Assets?	00:43
@pbmdawg	i am	00:43
@pbmdawg	they're like, 2 lines and stuff ;)	00:44
perlDreamer	yeah, that's what worries me.	00:44
perlDreamer	what is it supposed to do if it is part of a Layout Asset?	00:44
@pbmdawg	nothing	00:45
perlDreamer	so, looking at the end of www_view, what good is the setRedirect call?	00:46
perlDreamer	or does it just silently fail when it is part of another Asset?	00:47
@pbmdawg	www_view isn't called when it's part of a layout	00:48
perlDreamer	view() is instead?	00:48
@pbmdawg	yeah	00:49
perlDreamer	okay	00:49
perlDreamer	and if you're in Admin mode you get shown a little list of links plus the editing icons	00:55
@WRE	(snapcount@EN) later guys... thanks for the help earlier Colin	00:56
perlDreamer	you bet	00:56
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perlDreamer	!lastSpoke oh1mrr	01:30
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@pbmdawg	nuba: are you there?	01:44
nuba	yes	01:45
nuba	sup ?	01:45
@pbmdawg	just wondering if I can somehow convince you to donate some time to webgui :)	01:45
nuba	well i'm deeply buried at work now, sorry :(	01:46
@pbmdawg	ah	01:46
@pbmdawg	LuckyLStrike: same question?	01:48
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@WRE	* (Nickola@EN) watches WRE blow up.	01:56
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) hehe	01:56
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) Gotta love it.	01:56
@pbmdawg	which wre	01:56
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@WRE	(Nickola@EN) 0.6.0 Debian	01:57
@pbmdawg	sarge?	02:02
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@WRE	(Nickola@EN) Etch	02:15
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) It seems that there is a problem with Mysql	02:15
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) it's not leaving it's pid file, so no one can connect to it.	02:16
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crythias	howdy	03:46
pbmdawg	hey	03:47
crythias	times like this, I wish I had a thin client wireless capable OS	03:59
crythias	for my laptop.	03:59
crythias	OTOH, I'm getting a 60gb drive	03:59
crythias	of all the things I miss, I think I miss my passwords the most.	04:00
crythias	fortunately gaim's accounts.xml is cross platform	04:00
crythias	and irk passwords in plain text. Now for TV. It's time for beauty and the geek.	04:01
crythias	BEAUTY	04:02
crythias	TV ADDCT	04:02
pbmdawg	TVSUKR	04:02
pbmdawg	BOOBTOOB	04:03
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) YARG	04:25
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) wre ... install ... not working smoothly ...	04:26
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) I have a question for you all about the wre, and I feel really silly asking...but...here goes....	04:43
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) What dirs are at the root of the wre? (/data/wre/) docs etc lib prereqs sbin var ?	04:44
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) Is there supposed to be a WebGUI directory?	04:44
crythias	wre=webgui	05:01
crythias	CHM BUKT	05:02
crythias	you're not dumb. YOu're academically inadequate.	05:03
crythias	"What the **** is that supposed to mean?"	05:03
crythias	LYM CHKN	05:04
crythias	DDT ERRR	05:05
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) okay....I'm thoroughly confused now.	05:06
crythias	WebGUI Answer: WUT VRSN	05:06
crythias	WebGUI Answer: UPGRADE	05:06
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) wre 0.6.0 on a Debian etch system.	05:07
crythias	WebGUI Answer: RTFM	05:07
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) It has no "WebGUI" directory.	05:07
@WRE	(Nickola@EN) so it errors when adding a site.	05:07
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crythias	WebGUI Answer: SBMTBUG	05:10
crythias	WebGUI Answer: NO	05:10
crythias	hahahah	05:11
pbmdawg	huh	05:16
crythias	<form action=""><select><option>Choose an answer</option><option>What Version?</option><option>Errors?</option><option>Upgrade</option><option>Read Install page</option><option>Read Readme.txt</option><option>Read Migration.txt</option><option>Read gotcha.txt</option><option>append ?op=viewHelpIndex</option><option>Submit a bug report</option><select></form>	05:16
crythias	er /select	05:17
crythias	hahahahahhahzhzhahhhahahah	05:20
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perlDreamer	has anyone seen the DataForm bug posting on the boards?	19:28
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crythias	!list	20:22
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@snapcount	!dubya	20:26
@WRE	"Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream."	20:26
@snapcount	pfft	20:26
crythias	nobody at efnet	20:29
@snapcount	My gateway machine went down earlier	20:30
@snapcount	so the botnet is down b/c I'm too lazy to fix it	20:30
* snapcount yawns		20:30
crythias	loverly	20:31
@snapcount	I did make progress... I've scripted all the iptables stuff so if I lose power, the gateway is configured automagically	20:31
crythias	think I want a coke. but machine's down. bk is close. frozen coke not unreasonable.	20:31
@snapcount	one of my port forwarding rules is wrong so gooey is cut off	20:31
@snapcount	cat BK \| grep coke	20:32
crythias	Burger King	20:32
crythias	yeah	20:33
@snapcount	I'm feeling very frustrated and violent right now	20:33
@snapcount	it's kinda cool	20:33
@snapcount	I have an overwhelming desire to watch something explode	20:34
@snapcount	like that MythBusters where they vaporized the cement truck	20:34
@snapcount	that was so freaking awesome I almost peed my pants	20:35
crythias	http://media.putfile.com/yes-kids-gasoline-does-explode	20:37
@snapcount	holy shit	20:38
@snapcount	how did they not burn	20:38
crythias	http://media.putfile.com/kick-explode	20:38
crythias	hee :)	20:39
crythias	You never know what you're going to get if you ask me.	20:40
crythias	did the first one help your explode fetish?	20:40
@snapcount	yes... I feel better	20:46
@snapcount	whoa... I think I just found some classified video	20:48
@snapcount	http://media.putfile.com/F16_Fallujah_20040410	20:48
@WRE	<snapcount> http://tinyurl.com/dyenk	20:48
@snapcount	what kind of site is this?	20:49
@snapcount	crythias: do you work for the CIA?	20:49
@snapcount	dude... that video better be a joke	20:51
@snapcount	there's no way it's really classified	20:51
@snapcount	I hope those people were bad guys	20:53
crythias	no ..	21:05
crythias	I don't work for cia :)	21:05
@snapcount	ok	21:05
@snapcount	just checking	21:05
crythias	http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11062942/	21:05
crythias	http://media.putfile.com/How-to-fold-your-shirt	21:08
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/bhh9h	21:08
@snapcount	time to start some bug squashing	21:33
@snapcount	wanna help gerald?	21:33
@snapcount	(or anyone else here =)	21:34
crythias	helping lost souls	21:44
crythias	well, maybe not.	21:45
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crythias	I'm supposed to remind you I live in Florida.	21:50
@snapcount	huh?	21:52
crythias	ooh. n8n: navigation	21:52
@snapcount	you live in Florida?	21:52
crythias	yeah	21:52
@snapcount	I'm missing something	21:52
crythias	a5e article	21:52
@snapcount	is that tied into lost souls some how?	21:52
crythias	no.	21:52
crythias	so I'm working on an a5e, and find myself needing to remove the a5e from the n8n because the n8n is too cluttered what with f4rs and s7ts and whatnot.	21:54
@snapcount	supercalifragilisticexpialidocious s32s	21:55
crythias	a24z	21:55
@snapcount	the alphabet	21:55
crythias	zywvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba	21:55
pbmdawg	x	21:55
@snapcount	xxx	21:55
crythias	yeah slipt	21:55
@snapcount	x1x	21:55
crythias	zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba	21:55
crythias	oops	21:55
@snapcount	matt: i need help figuring out a session problem	21:56
crythias	sponge is a word you can spell with backwards alphabet	21:56
crythias	sponged is among the longest	21:56
pbmdawg	roy: I need 30 more hours in the day.	21:57
crythias	heh. don't sleep for 4	21:57
@snapcount	sounds like matt is having deadline issues =)	21:58
pbmdawg	no	21:58
pbmdawg	I'm on time.	21:58
crythias	you wimpersnappers ... in my day, I spent 12 hours straight coding my mud.	21:58
* snapcount slaps crythias around a bit with a large trout		21:58
crythias	that's after school.	21:58
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@snapcount	well that was interesting	21:59
crythias	yeah.	21:59
@snapcount	i9g	22:00
crythias	heh	22:00
crythias	initsertng	22:00
crythias	grr	22:00
crythias	initseretng	22:00
@snapcount	we should write a script that translates a series of words into i18n speak	22:01
@snapcount	could prolly do it with one s//	22:01
crythias	anyway, I'm aparently helpful on the boards today.	22:01
@snapcount	cool	22:01
@snapcount	!bash	22:41
@WRE	\|bash 34553\| <mindstorms> i so l33t.....i combined my radio and computer output to my speakers	22:41
@WRE	\|bash 34553\| <mindstorms> so now my head hurts when i have the radio and winamp on!	22:41
@snapcount	!bash	22:41
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Psyko> I'm gonna go hump the couch	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Psyko> ~boredom~	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Yamatto> dude, your couch puts out?	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Psyko> wall too	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Yamatto> damn	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Yamatto> i want your house	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Yamatto> unless you're like swapping wall for 'mom'	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Andaru> hahaha	22:42
@WRE	\|bash 34656\| <+Andaru> and couch for 'little brother'	22:42
@snapcount	!bofh	22:42
@WRE	BOFH Quick-excuse: Smell from unhygenic janitorial staff wrecked the tape heads	22:42
@snapcount	!bofh	22:42
@WRE	BOFH Quick-excuse: Fiber optics caused gas main leak	22:42
@snapcount	!bash	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 36186\| <dranyam> Okay, my quote on bash.org is not mine	22:43
@snapcount	!bash	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <DrNick668> man, a volvo hit me yesterday	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <DrNick668> the volvo hit me and it's gunna cost me like 200 bucks or some shit coz it was my fault	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <Warkha> was it an old person in the volvo?	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <DrNick668> nah, fat chick	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <DrNick668> i turned across the traffic and couldn't see her comin	22:43
@WRE	\|bash 40466\| <Warkha> or throw food	22:43
crythias	gee wonder what will show for google xmms firefox	22:44
@snapcount	huh?	22:44
@snapcount	you lost me	22:44
@snapcount	what is xmms?	22:44
crythias	it's music player for *nix	22:45
@snapcount	oh cool	22:45
@snapcount	you run x?	22:45
crythias	yeah	22:45
@snapcount	oh, that's right	22:45
@snapcount	you told me this before	22:45
crythias	at home, anyway.	22:45
* crythias is browsing his ref logs.		22:45
crythias	!google	22:46
crythias	!google xmms firefox	22:46
@WRE	Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=xmms+firefox&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp	22:46
crythias	books?	22:46
@snapcount	!g xmms	22:46
@WRE	Sound Enhancing Plugins @ /url?sa=U&start=1&si=0&oi=smap&q=http://www.xmms.org/effect.php \| Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=xmms&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp	22:46
crythias	any straight search?	22:46
@snapcount	!gg xmms	22:46
@WRE	Accepted xmms-kde 3.1-1 (i386 source) @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.changes.devel/browse_thread/thread/650455e4bcbd4c78 \| Installed xmms-goom 1.7.6-1 (i386 sour @ http://groups.google.com/group/debian.devel.changes/browse_thread/thread/8584a44708baa50b \| xmms update @ http://groups.google.com/group/mailing.freebsd.ports/browse_thread/thread/4cf50da6a51e0839	22:46
crythias	!gg xmms firefox	22:47
@WRE	chkrootkit detects hidden processes in m @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/b95ad3d3065cadf3 \| Firefox and bouncing cursor @ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.suse/browse_thread/thread/59ffd3a32b4a36e2 \| flash and mozilla (and firefox and epi @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/881d60f8e9c85552	22:47
@snapcount	it does a straight search but google advertises their new book search at the top of the results	22:47
@snapcount	so it picks it up	22:47
crythias	!y xmms	22:47
@snapcount	sorry	22:47
@snapcount	we only use search engines whose stock is $400+ / share	22:48
@snapcount	!quote GOOG	22:48
@WRE	GOOG -> 379.17 -16.87 / Last Trade 3:48pm / Change -4.26% / Volume 379.20 / 52 Week Range 379.30	22:48
@snapcount	NOOO!!!	22:48
@snapcount	it dropped	22:48
crythias	time to get rid of that ...	22:48
crythias	http://www.google.com/search?q=ion3%20firefox	22:48
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/cd3du	22:48
crythias	http://www.google.com/search?q=xmms%20firefox	22:48
@snapcount	get rid of what	22:49
@snapcount	the stock?	22:49
crythias	search engine	22:49
@snapcount	I wish I had some to get rid of =)	22:49
@snapcount	the bot search engine	22:49
@snapcount	it's a pos	22:49
crythias	heh	22:50
crythias	what would you expect number one search result for "unraring program"?	22:50
@snapcount	winrar	22:50
@snapcount	or winzip	22:50
@snapcount	wait... can winzip do rar?	22:50
@snapcount	I dunno	22:50
@snapcount	what is it?	22:50
crythias	http://www.google.com/search?q=unraring%20program	22:51
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/94gqg	22:51
@snapcount	grr	22:51
@snapcount	nice	22:51
@snapcount	Only the best AV software will unrar your files	22:51
crythias	heh	22:51
@snapcount	randcalc	22:52
@WRE	wre = WebGUI Runtime Environment	22:52
@snapcount	randcalc	22:52
@WRE	flame = Roy and Martin are lovers	22:52
@snapcount	nice	22:52
@snapcount	randcalc	22:52
crythias	ahhh yeahhh	22:52
@WRE	whatistcl = <phobia> All I know about TCL is that TCL ain't perl	22:52
@snapcount	Guess I should go try to figure out this session problem	22:53
@snapcount	!bash 33582	23:15
@WRE	!bash: quote not found	23:15
@snapcount	!bash 33852	23:16
@WRE	\|bash\| <@FKnight> if sex had a wizard	23:16
@WRE	\|bash\| <@FKnight> my g/f would pick Typical	23:16
@WRE	\|bash\| <@FKnight> no custom	23:16
crythias	add?	23:19
@snapcount	what	23:20
@snapcount	whaqt	23:20
@snapcount	que	23:20
@snapcount	como	23:20
@snapcount	eh?	23:20
crythias	sex wizard Add	23:20
@snapcount	speak english crythias	23:21
@snapcount	complete sentences	23:21
@snapcount	hables engles	23:21
crythias	bash quote above.	23:21
@snapcount	por favor	23:21
@snapcount	did I add it?	23:21
@snapcount	luckily no... I just found it and thought it was pretty funny	23:22
crythias	regarding the bash quote referencing a wizard for sex, the two options given were typical and custom. While that is funny, I was thinking about what other options could be in a Wizard, such as add/remove.	23:22
@snapcount	oh	23:22
@snapcount	now see	23:22
@snapcount	that made complete sentence	23:22
@snapcount	hooked on phonics worked for me =)	23:22
@snapcount	lol	23:22
crythias	heh	23:23
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@snapcount	I used to love seeing the signs on the side of the road	23:23
@snapcount	"learn to read free"	23:23
@snapcount	"call 555-555-5555"	23:23
crythias	so, I thought, if there was a wizard, I wonder if the guy's wife would have chosen "add"	23:23
@snapcount	no pictures or anything	23:23
crythias	hi	23:23
@snapcount	hi pass	23:24
@snapcount	bandpass	23:24
crythias	filter	23:24
@snapcount	low pass	23:24
@snapcount	hehe	23:24
pass	I got webgui up and running yesterday. Now what??? Is the 'WebGUI Done Right' worth the $125?	23:24
@snapcount	I think so... but I'm biased	23:24
@snapcount	=)	23:24
crythias	the support is worth $500	23:24
crythias	:)	23:24
@snapcount	the support will give you more bang for your buck	23:25
@snapcount	by far	23:25
crythias	funny thing. I give free support and paid for it...	23:25
@snapcount	that is funny	23:25
crythias	english is a bugger.	23:25
@snapcount	RWG has nice videos to show you how to do stuff	23:25
crythias	yeah.	23:26
pass	so the $500 bucks will help me migrate our existing web site into webgui?	23:26
@snapcount	yep... we'll answer any questions you have	23:26
crythias	well, it'll give you email support if you get stuck.	23:26
@snapcount	but we won't do it for you	23:26
pass	I'm sure I'll get stuck.	23:26
pass	I'm not a web developer.	23:26
crythias	migration from cms to cms is a pita anyway.	23:26
crythias	What's weird is WebGUI works on a "chunk" dynamic, which I like a lot.	23:27
@snapcount	I can't wait to hear this explanation	23:27
crythias	chunk of content here, chunk of content there.	23:28
crythias	you can expire chunks of content and move them without disturbing the layout of the page.	23:28
pass	Our current website is not a cms. We just want to bring our website in house and I want to give our techsupport/sales/doc-writer a way to easily update/add pages. Seems like webgui will do that for me/us. Right?	23:29
@snapcount	yep	23:29
crythias	for mygration, tinymce would be nice in a pure copy/paste scenario. While you're viewing your old rendered content, highlight and paste it to the new article.	23:29
crythias	you'll have to move images.likely.	23:30
@snapcount	support covers everything... install, configuration, content, migration, apache, mysql, etc	23:30
crythias	but, yeah, WebGUI is the way to easy update sites	23:30
@snapcount	any question relating to your install of webgui	23:30
crythias	I'd pay for support, especially if your thing is business important+	23:31
@snapcount	pass: what kind of business do you work for?	23:31
pass	Now I have to convince upper mgmt to pay $1400 for a site design then $500 for support.	23:31
crythias	$500 is easy enough to justify in most cases. Especially if you think about ldap support.	23:31
pass	We are a small business that makes wirless access points.	23:32
pass	www.esteem.com	23:32
@snapcount	pass: you know that we do design as well, right?	23:32
pass	Yes, I got a quote for $1400.00	23:32
@snapcount	oh cool =)	23:32
crythias	<disclaimer> I'm not a plainblack.com employee, but snapcount is</disclaimer>	23:33
@snapcount	cool	23:33
crythias	you want to look identical (more or less) to your existing, pass?	23:33
@snapcount	you guys build cellphone towers?	23:33
pass	not towers, just devices	23:34
@snapcount	oh	23:34
pass	cythias: yes, they probably want it to look the same	23:34
crythias	floating nav would be nice touch for wg...	23:35
crythias	for those who don't curse it.	23:35
pass	so wg doesn't support the floating nav?	23:35
crythias	that's not true. It's just not one of the defaults.	23:35
crythias	if it can go in HTML, it can go in WG, more or less. The idea constructs are different, though.	23:36
crythias	instead of mushing everything together, one would build the parts that make up a whole, so it's potentially reusable	23:37
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@snapcount	lenthamen!	23:38
lenthamen	Hey snappie ;)	23:39
@snapcount	didn't you write the commerce system?	23:39
pass	I've played with wg for a little while now. Seems like a steep learning curve. Not as intuitive as I would have hoped. I guess after some time with WebGUI done right it would become easier to work with. Looks like an investment to get familiar with the system.	23:39
lenthamen	Thank God I didn't	23:39
@snapcount	damn	23:39
lenthamen	Martin did...	23:39
@snapcount	pass: the videos in WDR are a big help with that	23:40
lenthamen	pass: What's so difficult about WebGUI ?	23:40
lenthamen	pass: To add a page, click on "Add Layout"	23:40
crythias	that menu is a pita	23:40
lenthamen	pass: To add an article, click on "Add article"	23:40
pass	well I was hoping I could do some redesign myself	23:41
pass	Looks like I need to learn css	23:41
crythias	What you'd have is article "Complete Wiresless Solutioins.. Made Simple"	23:42
crythias	with content	23:42
crythias	Article "Latest Press Release"	23:42
crythias	possibly with a shortcut to the press release	23:42
pass	and the menu system? just to mock it up it doesn't have to float.	23:43
crythias	menu system is autogenerated	23:43
* lenthamen just checked in WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler		23:44
crythias	wahoo	23:44
@snapcount	you rock!	23:44
lenthamen	pfffff what a job that was ;)	23:44
@snapcount	how do I use it	23:44
@snapcount	I want to try it out	23:45
* lenthamen is going to get another cold one.		23:45
crythias	You can use dtree instead of vertical menu	23:45
lenthamen	USAGE is documented in the POD	23:45
crythias	I'm not completely familiar with the DHTML menus (I don't try a lot of different things)	23:45
lenthamen	its easy	23:45
lenthamen	PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler PerlChildInitHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler PerlOutputFilterHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler	23:45
lenthamen	PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler	23:46
lenthamen	PerlChildInitHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler	23:46
lenthamen	PerlOutputFilterHandler WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler	23:46
@snapcount	add to the vhost?	23:46
lenthamen	thats it	23:46
lenthamen	global, I think	23:46
lenthamen	I have it global	23:46
lenthamen	might work in a vhost too	23:46
* crythias handles his Init Child with a Perl Output Filter.		23:46
* snapcount trys it		23:47
* lenthamen is curious		23:47
crythias	pass: you should take a look at my faq as well http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom	23:47
@snapcount	yikes!	23:49
@snapcount	only half my page loads	23:49
@snapcount	maybe this has to go in the httpd.conf	23:50
@snapcount	and not a vhost	23:50
lenthamen	yeah, move it out the vhost.	23:50
crythias	I should go before someone figures out that I'm here and says, "Yeah, ummkay, Gerald, riight, let's see, I think I'll be needing you to come in on Saaaturday. Oh, and Sunday, as well, mmkay. Good."	23:51
@snapcount	haha	23:51
@snapcount	do the lines need to go in any specific place?	23:52
lenthamen	nope	23:52
@snapcount	i.e., above/below preload.perl, etc	23:52
@snapcount	ok	23:52
pass	crythias: thanks for the site, looks like it could help me out	23:52
lenthamen	I've tried it both above/below preload.perl.	23:52
lenthamen	doesn't matter.	23:52
crythias	and now, I'll take my leave.	23:53
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@snapcount	lenthamen: does the profiler code slow the site down?	23:54
@snapcount	it seems like it is	23:54
lenthamen	yeah	23:54
@snapcount	and then counts the slowdown it caused in the results?	23:55
lenthamen	it might be a bit slower but it's metric.	23:55
@snapcount	well, I guess it doesn't matter for relative testing	23:55
lenthamen	do you get results ?	23:55
@snapcount	yep	23:55
lenthamen	kewl !	23:55
@snapcount	p.s. it won't work in a vhost =)	23:55
@snapcount	might want to pass that on	23:56
lenthamen	I'll add that to the usage section in the code	23:56
@snapcount	that's awesome that you got this in here	23:56
@snapcount	it will be very useful	23:56
lenthamen	I think the way it works is very cool.... It searches for code references and adds wrapper code around it.	23:57
lenthamen	You can also profile something specific	23:58
@snapcount	example?	23:58
lenthamen	For example if you're working on WebGUI::Asset::Article, you could change $whatToProfile from "WebGUI" to "WebGUI::Asset::Article"	23:58
lenthamen	I should make that configurable though.	23:59
@snapcount	how do you change it now?	23:59
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@snapcount	in the module?	00:00
lenthamen	yeah.	00:03
lenthamen	What do you think about this way:	00:04
lenthamen	PerlModule WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler(WebGUI::Asset)	00:04
lenthamen	that will limit to WebGUI::Asset::*	00:05
lenthamen	defaults to WebGUI::*	00:05
@snapcount	That would better than having to edit the module	00:05
lenthamen	ok, going to do it that way.	00:05
lenthamen	snapcount: I've changed it to PerlSetVar whatToProfile WebGUI::Asset::Wobject	00:18
lenthamen	it's in svn	00:18
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crythias	hee	03:16
crythias	so ... I'm thinking of license plates.. MRE MEAT	03:16
crythias	and it dawns on me. Maybe that's where it came from...	03:16
crythias	"Meals Ready to Eat - Meat"	03:17
crythias	what are we having today? Mystery Meat.	03:17
crythias	I lost my job at the orange juice factory. I couldn't concentrate.	03:18
crythias	Elf needs food... badly. Valkyrie shot the food.	03:19
crythias	it should be noted that my new laptop hd is faster and quieter than my old one.	03:21
crythias	nice to have 60gb available for my thin client, too.	03:22
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MrHairgrease	matt	17:00
MrHairgrease	I use rewrite rules to host multiple domians on one wg instance	17:00
MrHairgrease	eg. subdomain.mydomain.com/ would be rewritten to the page /subdomain	17:01
MrHairgrease	index.pl/subdomain that is	17:01
MrHairgrease	however in 6.8 there's no index.pl scripts anymore	17:02
MrHairgrease	so i figured let's dump the index.pl from the rule and be happy	17:02
MrHairgrease	it doesn't seem to workl however	17:02
MrHairgrease	probably because webgui get the uri before it's being rewritten.	17:02
MrHairgrease	so how do i solve this	17:02
pbmdawg	back	17:05
pbmdawg	sry	17:05
pbmdawg	did you have multiple gateway scripts?	17:06
MrHairgrease	nope	17:06
MrHairgrease	just a lot of serveralisases under the vhost	17:07
MrHairgrease	the ide is as follows	17:07
MrHairgrease	for each subdomain create a page root	17:07
MrHairgrease	eg. webforum	17:07
MrHairgrease	there's only one index.pl so we want to rewrite webforum.koornbeurs.nl to webforum.koornbeurs.nl/webforum	17:08
pbmdawg	ok..	17:08
MrHairgrease	which is actually the same page as koornbeurs.nl/webforum	17:08
MrHairgrease	I hacked WebGUI.pm as a quick fix.	17:09
pbmdawg	so what if someone requests webforum.koornbeurs.nl/somePage	17:09
MrHairgrease	but essentially that sucks	17:09
MrHairgrease	then it should not rewrite	17:09
MrHairgrease	just serve the page	17:09
MrHairgrease	depending on what you want taht is	17:09
pbmdawg	ok, so it's just requests whose uri is '/'	17:10
MrHairgrease	in this case it is	17:10
MrHairgrease	sometimes you don't want that	17:10
MrHairgrease	for instance	17:10
MrHairgrease	you have two languages on the same site	17:10
MrHairgrease	wait	17:11
MrHairgrease	i must be using drugs	17:11
MrHairgrease	only the '/'	17:11
pbmdawg	hey, look at my irc msg to you	17:12
MrHairgrease	wait	17:14
MrHairgrease	brb	17:14
MrHairgrease	laters	18:00
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crythias	yawn\	04:17
crythias	ORNMNTL	04:23
pbmdawg	SUPRBWL	04:24
perlDreamer	DETROIT	04:24
crythias	GO STLRS	04:24
perlDreamer	SEAHAWKS	04:25
crythias	SEAHAWX	04:25
pbmdawg	SEAHOGS	04:25
crythias	BIG GAME	04:25
pbmdawg	(sounds the same)	04:25
perlDreamer	someone want to help me with snippets to fix a bug?	04:26
crythias	kay	04:26
pbmdawg	the bug is in assetproxy macro	04:26
pbmdawg	well	04:26
pbmdawg	sort of.	04:26
perlDreamer	Not in snippet itself?	04:26
crythias	oh. hrm. I also need to have 6.9.0.svn	04:26
perlDreamer	no, it's in 6.8.5	04:27
pbmdawg	that's the only case I could think of that would have it put the <p></p> in there without the controls	04:27
crythias	oh the ...	04:27
crythias	it's not .pm.. it's the tinymce, likely.	04:27
perlDreamer	it might be both AssetProxy and Snippet.	04:28
perlDreamer	AssetProxy calls toggleToolbar. I'm guessing that turns off the toolbar	04:28
crythias	gosh my laptop is silent with the new hd.	04:28
perlDreamer	but then Snippet still adds the paragraph tags	04:28
pbmdawg	crythias: did you get an acorn	04:28
crythias	a what?	04:28
pbmdawg	acorn hdd	04:29
crythias	uh. no. was browsing and got the cheapest for my laptop.	04:29
crythias	well, at least from this one vendor.	04:29
crythias	40gb for some $70	04:29
crythias	turns out I got a Hitachi travelstar to replace my ibm travelstar	04:30
pbmdawg	how much papajohn's can you eat in 1 sitting	04:30
pbmdawg	i used to be able to eat a whole large (pepperoni, bacon, extra cheese). now just 3/4 large.	04:30
crythias	I was about to scream, but put it in, anyway, so far.. no more clicking.	04:30
perlDreamer	UMMBACON	04:31
crythias	oh, gosh, I don't know. if I wanted to , I could eat a whole, but I've been reducing my food intake, somewhat.	04:31
crythias	just keep me away from sushi and dim sum.	04:31
pbmdawg	I don't know what those are.	04:31
perlDreamer	dim sum rocks	04:31
crythias	aye.	04:31
pbmdawg	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hitachinotebookhd.jpg	04:32
crythias	I go to a place called Bo LIngs	04:32
@WRE	<pbmdawg> http://tinyurl.com/9h9v5	04:32
perlDreamer	I found the bug	04:32
pbmdawg	k	04:32
pbmdawg	crythias: is this what your old ibm disk drive looked like?	04:33
pbmdawg	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/IBM_old_hdd.jpg	04:33
@WRE	<pbmdawg> http://tinyurl.com/dk88m	04:34
perlDreamer	is AnyAsset->view ever called with args?	04:34
pbmdawg	yeah	04:34
pbmdawg	a few of the assets use it for special signals.	04:34
crythias	no	04:34
crythias	it looked like something else. said it was an ibm travelstar.	04:34
crythias	in my inspiron 2500, it's the 6th hard drive to fail in the batch of 25 we bought 3 years ago	04:35
crythias	all where ibm travelstars.	04:35
crythias	where: were	04:35
crythias	but I'm happy, now. silence + speed + size	04:37
crythias	btw: links -g = fast, and creepy.	04:39
pbmdawg	good fix colin	04:39
perlDreamer	thx	04:40
pbmdawg	is the reported avatar bug a duplicate?	04:40
perlDreamer	probably, I haven't looked at it yet	04:41
crythias	so, has JT screamed about the closing of old rfe's?	04:41
perlDreamer	not that I've heard	04:43
crythias	good. I'll just clean them all out :)	04:44
perlDreamer	the new Avatar bug has different behavior from the one I fixed. But if he's using IE I'm betting that it's fixed.	04:44
perlDreamer	the DataForm is seriously broken	04:45
pbmdawg	i'll scream if you clean them all out! :)	04:48
pbmdawg	yeah. the DataForm is almost as broken as the EventsCalendar.	04:48
perlDreamer	are you telling me it's too early to upgrade?	04:48
pbmdawg	yeah, if you have DataForms or Calendars.	04:48
perlDreamer	haven't seen any calendar bugs	04:49
pbmdawg	well	04:52
crythias	HAK N COF	04:52
pbmdawg	TRNHEDCOF	04:57
crythias	BN PROBD	04:59
pbmdawg	lol	04:59
crythias	PREP H	05:00
crythias	SML FNGR	05:01
pbmdawg	HROIDS	05:02
pbmdawg	LSRSRGY	05:02
crythias	HM ROIDS	05:02
crythias	brnd btt	05:02
pbmdawg	HLTOSIS	05:02
crythias	EYE GOUJ	05:03
pbmdawg	THERACK	05:03
crythias	NSL DRIP	05:03
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crythias	gmorning	16:29
@pbmdawg	gmorning.	16:57
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crythias	wow	20:08
pbmdawg	wow?	20:08
crythias	I can't believe that my hard drive on my laptop was what was slowing everything down.	20:08
crythias	I mean, I can, but.. I didn't realize how bad.	20:09
crythias	now, on the start of firefox, it's almost instantaneous.	20:10
pbmdawg	FOXIERF	20:15
crythias	heh	20:15
crythias	THNDRBRD	20:17
pbmdawg	THNDRFOX	21:00
crythias	thats nice	21:01
crythias	THNDRFYR	21:01
crythias	LYTNGWLF	21:01
pbmdawg	LITNGBUG	21:02
crythias	CHOK LYN	21:03
crythias	ROAD KLL	21:04
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crythias	hey, len	21:13
crythias	anatomicaly correct log	21:15
lenthamen	hey crythias	21:20
lenthamen	anatomicaly correct log ?	21:20
pbmdawg	len	21:23
pbmdawg	https://svn.webgui.org/svnweb/WebGUI%20SVN/revision?rev=796	21:24
@WRE	<pbmdawg> http://tinyurl.com/9ckka	21:24
crythias	len: ren and stimpy	21:26
crythias	niftiness	21:27
crythias	It's log, log it's better than bad, it's good.	21:28
lenthamen	k	21:29
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perlDreamer	snapcount: you there?	02:59
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crythias	hi	03:06
crythias	bye	03:06
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MrHairgrease	len	16:33
MrHairgrease	do you know if mod_rewrite does its thing before or after the WebGUI handler is invoked?	16:34
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lenthamen	Hey Martin	17:06
lenthamen	I guess before.	17:06
MrHairgrease	Well somehow rewrite rules that used to work on rewriting to index.pl don't seem to do their thing anymore now that webgui is a mod_perl handler	17:07
lenthamen	because there's no index.pl...	17:08
MrHairgrease	So I guessed mod_rewrite rwrites the uri after WebGUI has caught it	17:08
MrHairgrease	Well the index.pl is not relevant in this case	17:08
lenthamen	well, the thing is that WebGUI is a handler for the whole vhost, so requests always get passed to WebGUI.	17:09
MrHairgrease	what I do is rewrite to a startpage based on the server_name	17:09
MrHairgrease	something like	17:10
MrHairgrease	RewriteCond %{SERVER_NAME} webforum.koornbeurs.nl$ [NC]	17:10
MrHairgrease	RewriteRule ^/$ /webforum [L]	17:10
lenthamen	Yeah I understand	17:10
MrHairgrease	ok	17:10
lenthamen	I also do that to redirect .com to /home_english	17:10
lenthamen	that kind of stuff	17:10
MrHairgrease	yeah	17:10
MrHairgrease	and in your case it works on 6.8+?	17:10
lenthamen	Not using 6.8 in prod yet.	17:11
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MrHairgrease	ok	17:12
MrHairgrease	maybe chanses knows	17:12
pbmdawg	I'm here!	17:12
MrHairgrease	chansen?	17:12
MrHairgrease	hi matt	17:12
pbmdawg	maybe I know.	17:12
MrHairgrease	no I asked you already	17:12
MrHairgrease	it's about the rewrite stuff on 68	17:12
pbmdawg	oh.	17:12
pbmdawg	ask gerald	17:13
MrHairgrease	gerald?	17:13
pbmdawg	he knows apache better than the Apaches	17:13
MrHairgrease	ok	17:13
lenthamen	Martin have you had a look at the mod_rewrite logs ?	17:15
MrHairgrease	yes and no	17:15
MrHairgrease	sort of that is	17:16
MrHairgrease	I have been very busy with other stuff	17:16
MrHairgrease	I couldn't see anything wrong with loglevel 5	17:16
MrHairgrease	I'll have another look at it later this week.	17:17
chansen	pong	18:08
chansen	I guess it's not working because WebGUI shortcuts the trans handler by returning OK	18:08
chansen	MrHairgrease: try commenting out that line	18:09
MrHairgrease	mod_rewrite sits in the transhandler?	18:09
chansen	IIRC yes	18:09
MrHairgrease	ok will do	18:09
MrHairgrease	moment please	18:09
MrHairgrease	hmm, doesn't seem to work.	18:11
lenthamen	Martin are you coming to amsterdam tomorrow night ?	18:12
MrHairgrease	yeah	18:12
MrHairgrease	free drinks and stuff ;)	18:12
lenthamen	hehe, ok, will see you there than.	18:12
MrHairgrease	what time is it again?	18:12
lenthamen	starts at 17:30	18:12
MrHairgrease	ok	18:12
MrHairgrease	i'll be there	18:12
MrHairgrease	setting the trans handler to declined also doesn't work	18:14
chansen	ok, i just checked, mod_rewrite does it's rewriting in several hooks, including ap_hook_translate_name	18:25
chansen	try enabling mod_rewrite's log a level of 3	18:26
chansen	should give you some hints	18:26
chansen	and try without WebGUI's trans handler	18:28
MrHairgrease	ok I'll try that later this week	18:35
MrHairgrease	thanks	18:35
chansen	np :)	18:35
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perlDreamer	crythias: there is medication to help with schizophrenia nowadays	19:28
crythias	really? How do you know you don't get multiple doses?	19:30
perlDreamer	well, if it works, one would think that you'd center around 1 personality	19:30
perlDreamer	and I guess if you took too much it would leave you with 0 personality, and then you'd be an IRC bot :)	19:31
crythias	heh	19:31
perlDreamer	did you check out the doc change that I made to the Redirect Asset over the weekend?	19:32
crythias	Headline: "User dies from overdose of Schizophrenic Medication. Family members of his 5 personalities gathered for support."	19:32
perlDreamer	SCHIZDAD	19:33
crythias	hrm? :) no...	19:33
crythias	been otherwise occupied.	19:33
crythias	ok. where did you edit help?	19:34
crythias	wow. office svn is ancient.	19:34
perlDreamer	It's the Asset_Redirect Help entry	19:35
perlDreamer	and I did both branches	19:35
perlDreamer	so either will work	19:35
crythias	The Page Redirect Asset causes the user's browser to be redirected to another page. This will happen automatically if it is viewed standalone. If the Asset is viewed as part a Page Asset, or proxied via a macro, then nothing will happen	19:36
perlDreamer	yup	19:36
perlDreamer	that's it.	19:36
crythias	it's almost a misnomer.	19:37
crythias	The Page Redirect Asset is essentially a hyperlink that you can use in Navigation.	19:37
perlDreamer	to take you to another page/site	19:38
crythias	I think my sentence is clear(ish) about its purpose though.	19:38
crythias	I think the redirection part is confusing.	19:39
crythias	yes, it does that, but it's not inherently different from an a href except that it can show up in Navigation.	19:39
perlDreamer	but unlike an HREF you don't have to get a page to make it work	19:40
perlDreamer	there's no "source" to it	19:40
crythias	because it's a url redirect if you give it out manually.	19:40
perlDreamer	yes	19:41
crythias	like tinyurl	19:41
perlDreamer	yes	19:41
crythias	interesting thing.. you could hide stuff in the url.	19:41
crythias	redirect	19:41
perlDreamer	sure	19:42
perlDreamer	I think it would be great if JT made www.webgui.org/help redirect to the help index	19:42
perlDreamer	?op=viewHelpIndex	19:42
perlDreamer	and I've been thinking about building a login link that is essentially ?op=auth;func=login (or whatever)	19:43
perlDreamer	it's a front-end user way of doing Apache rename	19:43
perlDreamer	but much heavier	19:43
crythias	Have a few minutes?	19:43
perlDreamer	yeah	19:44
crythias	I have been working with someone who needed a solution for something. Basically, fill a dataform and use the dataform's values to populate a page.	19:44
perlDreamer	WG version?	19:45
crythias	not the entire page, but repeating text stuff.	19:45
crythias	6.7+	19:45
perlDreamer	1 page/multiple pages	19:45
crythias	200 sites,	19:45
crythias	grouped	19:45
perlDreamer	I see two options	19:45
perlDreamer	1) Use the List view feature of the DataForm, and Proxy it onto all other sites	19:46
crythias	the info from the dataform needs to filter for all the pages that belong to a site.	19:46
perlDreamer	I don't understand that	19:46
perlDreamer	anyway	19:47
crythias	one wg instance, but these "sites" are under the uber umbrella. Sales, Communications, etc	19:47
perlDreamer	each subsite pulls the same info from the same dataform?	19:47
crythias	the problem is a) how to keep the information in tact for the pages that belong to the site in the department	19:47
crythias	b) how to make it easy to insert the valid data exactly where it's needed.	19:48
perlDreamer	what kind of information is it?	19:48
crythias	unknown, but likely department head names, addresses, phone numbers.	19:49
crythias	stuff that would be likely in a template.	19:49
perlDreamer	and they want it centralized in 1 dataform to make it easy to manage	19:49
crythias	maybe in a header or footer.	19:49
crythias	yeah.	19:49
crythias	and security for the siteadmins to edit only their own data.	19:49
perlDreamer	Did you see the script that I posted over the weekend to WG's contrib area?	19:49
perlDreamer	it takes a DataForm and translates it to a regular table inside the database	19:50
perlDreamer	which makes it very easy to build SQLReports against	19:50
crythias	ooh cool.	19:50
perlDreamer	So now you only have to solve 1 problem, and that's the data editing problem	19:51
perlDreamer	I think that can be done with multiple dataforms	19:51
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perlDreamer	yo roy	19:51
crythias	I worked a different angle.	19:51
snapcount	yo	19:51
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crythias	I created a macro that looked up the data...	19:52
perlDreamer	snapcount: Don't know if Matt told you, but I can't duplicate any of the DataForm bugs	19:52
perlDreamer	in 6.8.6	19:52
@snapcount	interesting	19:52
@snapcount	I'm very concerned about those	19:52
@snapcount	there are a couple posts on the boards about that from different people	19:53
perlDreamer	crythias: that's a lighter weight solution than a full SQL report	19:53
crythias	the problem is making the site match the info.	19:53
crythias	I figured that out, too. but the client doesn't like it.	19:53
perlDreamer	can you use the current URL for more information?	19:54
crythias	that's my solution. 'cause otherwise I'd have to mess with the table.	19:54
crythias	of all asset types	19:54
perlDreamer	ug	19:54
perlDreamer	client has a preference for end solution?	19:55
perlDreamer	snapcount: unless they can give you step by step instructions for bug duplication or access to their site, I think it's going to be hard to diagnose those bug reports	19:56
crythias	wants siteadmins cart blanche over url	19:56
crythias	I'm reasonably certain that I have the best solution.	19:57
@snapcount	I'm wondering if it's an ssl thing	19:57
crythias	The problem is keeping the siteadmins within their realm of edit.	19:57
perlDreamer	crythias: might have to use multiple dataforms	19:58
crythias	why?	19:58
crythias	and how will that help?	19:58
perlDreamer	because there's no way in 1 dataform to tell who can edit which entries	19:59
crythias	yes, but you can protect the dataform...	19:59
perlDreamer	so then you need multiple dataforms for multiple editors	19:59
crythias	and you can filter based upon a use profile	19:59
crythias	user profile field	19:59
crythias	let's say the dataform is custom.	20:00
perlDreamer	custom how?	20:00
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perlDreamer	like extended to allow per user data editing?	20:00
crythias	well, could restrict dataset to edit based upon a user profile field.	20:01
crythias	http://www.plainblack.com/?op=viewProfile;uid=2JfI1zjbxUsNfOoWy-rPwA	20:01
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/avlct	20:01
perlDreamer	then that would work, so long as editors are not allowed to edit their own profile field	20:01
crythias	yeah, ok.	20:01
crythias	my macro was based upon the first part of the page url and the field they want to retrieve.	20:02
crythias	still, after all this mess, I'm just saying it's probably worth making all these changes in individual templates rather than fighting user silliness.	20:03
crythias	even for 200	20:03
crythias	I can't guess from my macro which dataform/dataset to pull data from.	20:03
crythias	and I'm not going to rely on the user to fill in the field in the macro.	20:04
@snapcount	I'll be trying to get a 6.8.6 release out within the next couple of days	20:06
@snapcount	anything anyone can do to help would be greatly appreciated	20:06
crythias	gotta go.	20:06
@snapcount	even if it's just confirming the bugs reported are actually bugs	20:06
@snapcount	every little bit helps =)	20:06
perlDreamer	I fixed a few over the weekend. I'll get busy with the docs, too.	20:06
@snapcount	and if you can't help... pass it on to someone that can if you see them lurking around	20:07
@snapcount	perlDreamer: thank you	20:07
perlDreamer	I fixed an Avatar bug already, but it's worth testing 6.8 SVN with FireFox 1.5 to verify that it isn't a new bug.	20:09
perlDreamer	But vitkovsky's IE bug for the Avatar should be fixed.	20:09
@snapcount	ok... I'll check that out	20:16
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crythias	howdy.	01:11
crythias	fear leads to trembling. trembling leads to puking. puking leads to light headedness. lightheadedness leads to fainting.	01:13
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snapcount	is anyone home!?	02:48
snapcount	Lucy! I'm Home!!!	02:48
pbmdawg	here.	02:48
snapcount	tally one for the home team	02:48
perlDreamer	yo	02:48
snapcount	two	02:48
snapcount	my god... we're on a roll	02:49
perlDreamer	but only for a little bit	02:49
snapcount	1.5	02:49
perlDreamer	it that better?	02:49
snapcount	still not bad	02:49
perlDreamer	plus, I'm very lippy	02:49
perlDreamer	1.37	02:49
snapcount	lol	02:49
snapcount	I have a MP2/Apache question	02:49
* crythias is watching the aots chat feed.		02:49
* pbmdawg wonders what aots is		02:50
snapcount	ok	02:50
crythias	attack of the show.	02:50
crythias	g4tv.	02:50
snapcount	so what does apache do when mp2 does this:	02:50
snapcount	return Apache2::Const::DECLINED	02:50
perlDreamer	goes to the next handler in the chain	02:50
snapcount	I've searched and can't find the answer	02:50
perlDreamer	go and read Geoff's MP2 presentations from the WUC.	02:51
perlDreamer	great intro to MP2	02:51
snapcount	what is the next handler when that is being called in WebGUI.pm	02:51
snapcount	in the request method	02:51
pbmdawg	you can check	02:51
pbmdawg	by asking apache to list the handlers	02:51
snapcount	coool	02:51
snapcount	how do you do that?	02:52
snapcount	well, here is the issue at hand	02:52
snapcount	I'm beating around the bush a tad	02:52
snapcount	I can't figure out how to get MP2 to butt out when there is a request for a PHP page	02:53
snapcount	Pre 6.8 this was easy	02:53
snapcount	b/c you just did it with a rewrite rule	02:53
snapcount	now, I'm scratching my head	02:53
snapcount	PHP works if I turn MP2 off	02:53
snapcount	and vice-versa	02:53
crythias	http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xxjnBQ36.html	02:54
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/7w83l	02:54
perlDreamer	inside WebGUI.pm, there is a subroutine called handler.	02:54
snapcount	yes... been studying that one	02:54
perlDreamer	have it DECLINE the request if it's for PHP	02:54
crythias	you can turn off handler	02:54
crythias	for urls	02:54
perlDreamer	I think that's all you need to do	02:54
snapcount	passthruUrls setting?	02:54
crythias	yeah	02:54
snapcount	it doesn't seem to work	02:55
crythias	hrm.	02:55
snapcount	when that happens, which instance of apache has the request	02:55
snapcount	proxy or modperl	02:55
snapcount	80 \|\| 81	02:55
crythias	you're on wre	02:55
snapcount	yes	02:55
crythias	that would be helpful to know	02:55
snapcount	now you know =)	02:56
crythias	or you stated it, and I'm being ignorant again.	02:56
snapcount	no... I didn't	02:56
snapcount	flame away	02:56
snapcount	I guess that's the question	02:56
snapcount	b/c I figured that DECLINE was what I needed	02:56
snapcount	I need to know which apache gets the request	02:57
snapcount	when MP2 returns a DECLINE	02:57
snapcount	it's acting like it's going to mod_proxy	02:57
perlDreamer	modperl	02:57
perlDreamer	I think	02:57
crythias	81	02:57
snapcount	that would make sense	02:57
snapcount	but it's not behaving that way	02:57
snapcount	I need a simple test to see if DECLINE is working	02:57
snapcount	w/o PHP	02:57
snapcount	narrow the scope of the issue a little	02:58
snapcount	I should be able to serve static content	02:58
snapcount	if I use a passthruUrl right?	02:58
snapcount	like a .gif	02:58
crythias	think so	02:58
snapcount	ok... where will apache look for the static content	02:58
snapcount	in the document root?	02:58
snapcount	of mod_perl apache	02:58
snapcount	b/c I tried this and I got file not found errors in the apache logs	02:59
snapcount	with no path	02:59
snapcount	set the log level to debug	02:59
* snapcount is having numerous issues today		02:59
crythias	oh.	02:59
snapcount	maybe I'm mal-nourished	02:59
crythias	well, wait.	02:59
crythias	don't forget that apache could do that for several reasons, including ALLOW, DENY issues on the folder	03:00
snapcount	I didn't check that	03:00
* snapcount slaps self with a large trout		03:00
snapcount	what was that url you posted crythias?	03:01
crythias	part of http://search.cpan.org/dist/mod_perl/docs/user/handlers/intro.pod	03:01
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/ag79t	03:01
snapcount	oh ok	03:01
snapcount	thank you	03:01
crythias	you're welcome :)	03:01
snapcount	I'll check the perms and see if I can get a .gif to display	03:01
snapcount	that should be a good step to getting this working	03:02
snapcount	I'm so close I'm going insane	03:02
snapcount	damn support requests =)	03:02
crythias	yeah, well... I'm concerned about jay.phillz's filepile upload problem.	03:02
snapcount	stay tuned for jubilation or cursing pending the outcoume	03:02
snapcount	ehhh	03:03
snapcount	bugs...	03:03
crythias	I can't figure out why it's not working + not errors	03:03
snapcount	that's all I wanted to work on today	03:03
snapcount	and haven't touched a single one yet	03:03
snapcount	is this in the public forums?	03:03
crythias	http://www.plainblack.com/web_design_templates_and_themes/file-pile-uploads4../1#-gaWEwaI6hrUzxWe5AxAcA	03:03
crythias	yeah	03:03
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/8vrra	03:03
crythias	but I know filepile works.	03:04
snapcount	is there a bug report for it? or are we not sure there's a bug yet	03:04
crythias	not sure there's a bug to report.	03:04
snapcount	ok	03:04
crythias	maybe it got zapped with a heart paddle.	03:04
snapcount	FIRE	03:04
snapcount	when I'm finished w/ support I'll be in bug search -n- destroy mode	03:05
snapcount	if you're around later we can talk about it	03:05
snapcount	try to figure it out	03:05
crythias	:)	03:05
snapcount	I want to get 6.8 stable	03:05
crythias	except (sorry) I'll also be watching 24	03:05
crythias	in an hour.	03:05
perlDreamer	I'd like you to get 6.8 stable, too	03:05
snapcount	hey... priorities	03:05
snapcount	perlDreamer: =)	03:05
snapcount	ok... thx for the pointers	03:06
crythias	meanwhile, I'll try to get flash running on my fresh FreeBSD 6.0 install	03:06
crythias	on my laptop	03:06
snapcount	be back in a bit	03:06
crythias	'kay	03:07
crythias	freaky thing.	03:07
perlDreamer	it is 6.7	03:07
crythias	I just realized that I have gobs of space on my laptop hd. I can now run WG on it. gasp	03:07
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pbmdawg	GOBSY	03:17
crythias	heh	03:18
pbmdawg	DITSHIP	03:18
crythias	FUM DUCK	03:18
snapcount	SUPTSUX	03:18
snapcount	Module Bug? Request filename is missing for URI	03:19
* crythias is starting a new svn on the laptop...		03:20
snapcount	what kind of error message is that!	03:20
snapcount	it tells me nothing	03:20
* snapcount convulses		03:20
crythias	tinymce is taking	03:20
crythias	too long	03:20
snapcount	# An array of URLs that WebGUI should leave alone for normal	03:22
snapcount	# processing by Apache. Anything that begins with these URLs	03:22
snapcount	# will be entirely ignored by WebGUI	03:22
snapcount	# passthruUrls => /icons, /documentation/pdf, /my-custom-application, /server-status, /perl-status	03:22
snapcount	is that right?	03:23
snapcount	shouldn't that be	03:23
crythias	yeahbut	03:23
snapcount	passthruUrls = something => list, list, list	03:23
pbmdawg	Roy: what's your apache vhost look like	03:23
snapcount	a text file =)	03:23
snapcount	j/k	03:23
snapcount	</dumbass>	03:23
snapcount	one sec	03:23
crythias	<location> directives	03:24
snapcount	I shouldn't have to use those though	03:25
snapcount	<VirtualHost *:81>	03:25
snapcount	ServerName 192.168.0.8	03:25
snapcount	ServerName www.dev.com	03:25
snapcount	DocumentRoot /data/domains/dev.com/www/public	03:25
snapcount	SetHandler perl-script	03:25
snapcount	PerlInitHandler WebGUI	03:25
snapcount	PerlSetVar WebguiConfig www.dev.com.conf	03:25
snapcount	</VirtualHost>	03:25
crythias	http://www.plainblack.com/install/upgrade_help/directoryindex-problem-after-upgrade-to-v6.8/re-directoryindex-problem-after-upgrade-to-v6.8.5	03:25
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/ab23d	03:25
snapcount	I saw that	03:25
snapcount	it's only for indexes though	03:25
snapcount	like index.php	03:25
crythias	ok	03:25
snapcount	thanks though	03:25
snapcount	what about that config file entry	03:26
snapcount	is it correct?	03:26
snapcount	passthruUrls => url, url	03:26
snapcount	that doesn't seem right	03:26
crythias	maybe no >	03:26
crythias	?	03:26
crythias	gimme a sec	03:26
crythias	well, I'm in .svn in Operations	03:27
pbmdawg	instead of PerlInitHandler, maybe try enclosing the equivalent APR api calls in <Perl>	03:27
snapcount	you lost me matt	03:27
snapcount	I'm a MP2 retard at this point	03:27
pbmdawg	I'm a MP3 eater.	03:28
snapcount	matt: do you know if that config file entry is correct?	03:28
pbmdawg	yeah it's correct	03:28
* crythias shuns mp4		03:28
snapcount	big arrow	03:28
snapcount	instead of =	03:28
snapcount	is right?	03:28
crythias	finally got svn	03:30
snapcount	woo hoo	03:30
pbmdawg	no	03:30
pbmdawg	should be =	03:30
snapcount	passthruUrls = url, url, url	03:30
pbmdawg	passThruUrls = something, other	03:30
snapcount	ok... I'll try that	03:31
snapcount	damn example	03:31
snapcount	grr	03:31
pbmdawg	if our profiler/tracer/debugger stored/outputted subroutine parameters, we could debug these things way more easily.	03:32
crythias	What's the theory of JSON?	03:33
crythias	and why can't the params be stored in a MySQL Table?	03:33
snapcount	it works on Halloween and kills teenage girls	03:33
pbmdawg	roy: ha	03:33
crythias	yeah	03:33
pbmdawg	crythias: JT, Roy, and I had a 2 hour in-person convo about that	03:33
snapcount	that was fun	03:34
crythias	well, I'm getting queried off list, as if I can make a difference or know.	03:34
crythias	still, JSON seems to be silly.	03:34
pbmdawg	it's a lot more faster and reliable than PlainConfig	03:35
snapcount	the explanation I got	03:35
pbmdawg	and likely faster than mysql.	03:35
snapcount	is that it handles complex data structs better than PlainConfig	03:35
pbmdawg	doesn't matter though; it's only parsed once.	03:35
snapcount	like arrays, and hashes	03:35
crythias	but ... what's the point and why would you keep handling ... yes	03:35
snapcount	the theory is that the WRE Control Panel will be editing the config file	03:36
crythias	it's only parsed once. it doesn't matter where the config params are stored. MySQL just makes it easier to manipulate.	03:36
snapcount	not people	03:36
crythias	and that changes how?	03:37
snapcount	what are you referring to	03:38
snapcount	what changes how?	03:38
chansen	If it should not be editable by ppl, why not store a binary file instead?	03:38
crythias	what difference does JSON make to the whole bit...	03:38
chansen	config files are for human and should be as simple as possible	03:38
crythias	digg ++ chansen	03:38
snapcount	I don't know that the goal is to make it such that it can't be editable by people	03:38
snapcount	like I said	03:39
snapcount	JT told me he switched to JSON b/c it handles arrays,hashes better than PlainConfig	03:39
snapcount	not as error prone	03:39
chansen	I don't see the point, why not store perl data structures instead if you need that complex configs?	03:40
crythias	yeah.	03:40
chansen	and it's _alot_ faster	03:40
snapcount	didn't you just argue that they should be editable by people?	03:40
crythias	at least then you don't have to parse.	03:40
snapcount	and simple?	03:41
crythias	not quite.	03:41
chansen	snapcount: I do, but i fail to see the reason for JSON in either case	03:41
crythias	it's overhead.	03:41
snapcount	overhead when?	03:41
snapcount	when apache starts	03:41
chansen	parsing	03:41
snapcount	it's only read once	03:41
chansen	is JS data structures easier to grok than perl structures?	03:42
crythias	it's not hard to learn.	03:42
crythias	and gasp it's not as if it's hard to make the examples work.	03:42
snapcount	you can make that argument for either format	03:43
chansen	JSON eq JS data structure	03:43
snapcount	it's a matter of preferene	03:43
snapcount	preference	03:43
crythias	but wg is perl.	03:43
snapcount	true	03:44
crythias	wg isn't JS	03:44
snapcount	I don't know why JT chose one over the other	03:45
snapcount	I think his thinking is that it won't matter which one it is in the end	03:45
snapcount	b/c he wants a control panel for editing the configs	03:45
crythias	then put it in MySQL so we can have a real mgmt interface :)	03:45
snapcount	it could change 1000x's from now to then	03:45
snapcount	That may be a possibility	03:46
snapcount	I'm sure he considered it	03:46
snapcount	and decided not to use it for one reason or another	03:46
snapcount	you'll have to ask him	03:46
crythias	it's not as if speed is a critical factor in all this.	03:46
chansen	It's definitively not a better idea to edit a config file on fs in a multiprocess/clustered environment	03:47
chansen	MySQL ensures consistency thanks to ACID	03:48
crythias	It's been suggested to me that all that's needed in the config is the login for the db.	03:48
pbmdawg	chansen: how did you come to know so much	03:49
snapcount	you guys both have good points	03:49
snapcount	you should post your arguments to the dev list	03:49
snapcount	kind of pointless to rant about it here	03:50
chansen	pbmdawg: been in the business for a while :)	03:50
crythias	good. so we can have "No"	03:50
crythias	as a response	03:50
pbmdawg	chansen: so, what are you, like 40?	03:51
snapcount	so what are you suggesting?	03:51
chansen	pbmdawg: 30	03:51
chansen	pbmdawg: started when I was 10	03:51
snapcount	JT is open to ideas	03:51
snapcount	he says no alot	03:51
snapcount	because he has already thought through a lot of the suggestions made	03:51
crythias	:)	03:51
snapcount	and found problems with them	03:52
snapcount	but it's not as if he won't listen to a logical argument and consider things	03:52
snapcount	he wants WG to be the best	03:52
snapcount	he has no reason to shoot down valid ideas that are better	03:52
crythias	yeah. I know.	03:52
crythias	or I should know by now.	03:53
snapcount	I just don't want you to be discouraged from presenting ideas b/c he's said no before	03:53
crythias	btw ... installing my mod_perl2 via port	03:53
snapcount	just think it through and present it in a sane way and make a clear case	03:53
snapcount	is port like apt-get or yum?	03:55
chansen	yes, but only source and usually more stable in my experience	03:56
chansen	DarwinPorts++ # for image support	03:57
snapcount	so there is no binary package mgmt in bsd	03:57
snapcount	everything is compiled locally	03:57
crythias	oh, yeah, you can get binaries	03:57
snapcount	oh	03:58
snapcount	I suppose I'll learn more about bsd when I get my mac	03:58
crythias	it's just that sometimes it's better to compile versus what you have instead of what the binaries were compiled for	03:58
snapcount	if they ever ship =)	03:58
snapcount	ummkay	03:59
snapcount	the passthruUrls setting is in the session	03:59
snapcount	that's a plus	03:59
snapcount	maybe we're making progress	03:59
snapcount	okay... something is not right here	04:00
snapcount	if I set a passthruUrl of /donkey	04:00
pbmdawg	I think you don't specify the initial /	04:00
snapcount	and goto http://mysite.com/donkey/file_doesn't exist.htm	04:00
snapcount	I shouldn't get the wg not found page	04:00
snapcount	I'll try that	04:01
snapcount	I'm going of the example in the WebGUI.conf.original	04:01
snapcount	but it was wrong once already	04:01
snapcount	so hey	04:01
snapcount	what the hell	04:01
crythias	why shouldn't you get the not found.	04:01
snapcount	b/c anything beginning with that url	04:01
snapcount	is ignored	04:01
snapcount	it's not handled by webgui at all	04:01
crythias	404 is in httpd.conf	04:02
snapcount	no, I was talking about the wg default page	04:03
snapcount	not a 404	04:03
crythias	(20:59:50) snapcount: I shouldn't get the wg not found page	04:03
snapcount	yep	04:03
snapcount	the wg not found page	04:03
snapcount	wg	04:03
snapcount	=)	04:03
crythias	pb.com wg or ...?	04:03
snapcount	home	04:04
snapcount	that's what it is by default	04:04
snapcount	on a webgui site	04:04
crythias	ok.	04:04
snapcount	this is such a horrible way to communicate	04:04
pbmdawg	that's the truth.	04:04
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snapcount	we need a videconferencing solution	04:04
crythias	ok	04:04
snapcount	but then we couldn't work in our underware	04:05
chansen	force everybody to use a mac, ichat and isight ;)	04:06
snapcount	that doesn't solve the working in our underware problem =)	04:07
chansen	well, you could point the camera at the tv ;)	04:09
snapcount	hehe	04:09
snapcount	yeah... that is one solution	04:09
chansen	or just do audio, what i do when my mother calls me at inappropriate times	04:10
snapcount	whoa	04:10
snapcount	that's kinda freaky	04:10
snapcount	son of a bitch	04:27
snapcount	either I'm using this config file incorrectly	04:27
snapcount	or this thing is broken	04:27
snapcount	me thinks the latter	04:27
snapcount	a little debug code reveals the only url being checked in that foreach	04:28
snapcount	is extras	04:28
snapcount	none of my urls for skipping are being listed	04:28
snapcount	ya know	04:47
snapcount	damn how irritating is that	04:47
snapcount	it's a bug	04:47
snapcount	and it's related to PlainConfig	04:47
snapcount	how ironic	04:47
snapcount	if you pass a single pass thru url, it's not read as an array	04:48
snapcount	so, we have to account for the value being a scalar, or an array to accomodate	04:48
snapcount	hours of my life wasted	04:48
crythias	oh my word	04:48
* snapcount beats head into wall		04:48
crythias	ACK!	04:49
snapcount	lions, tigers, bears, oh my word!	04:49
snapcount	err	04:49
snapcount	something like that	04:49
crythias	so sorry	04:49
crythias	dumy	04:49
snapcount	good one	04:49
crythias	that is... passthru dummy	04:49
snapcount	you're losing me	04:50
* snapcount drifts further and further away		04:50
crythias	make a dummy url as an option	04:50
snapcount	yeah but that sucks	04:50
crythias	yeah you're right.	04:50
snapcount	then that url can never be used	04:50
snapcount	and god knows	04:50
snapcount	someone will want to use the one I pick	04:50
snapcount	=)	04:50
crythias	so make it $$	04:50
snapcount	a;lkjf;akjf;kaj;n;akkje;kjre	04:50
crythias	yeah	04:50
snapcount	I tried to make a page called a;lkjf;akjf;kaj;n;akkje;kjre and it doesn't work	04:51
snapcount	I think it's a bug	04:51
crythias	pl8sholder	04:51
snapcount	only_stupid_people_would_name_this_as_a_page	04:51
crythias	redloh_ecalp	04:51
snapcount	haha	04:52
snapcount	I love those	04:52
crythias	this is direct flip	04:52
snapcount	I can finally answer this poor soles support request	04:52
snapcount	er	04:52
snapcount	souls	04:52
snapcount	hehe	04:53
crythias	japloy-aceld	04:53
snapcount	ooh	04:53
crythias	can't use >	04:53
snapcount	a word jumble	04:53
crythias	no..	04:53
crythias	THAT is my upside down backwards font	04:54
snapcount	ahh i c	04:54
snapcount	you have a font that does that?	04:54
crythias	no.	04:54
snapcount	are you serious	04:54
snapcount	oh	04:54
crythias	I just use arial	04:54
snapcount	that would be so bad ass	04:54
crythias	duh	04:54
snapcount	haha	04:54
snapcount	what was I thinking	04:54
crythias	hee	04:55
crythias	le!je	04:55
crythias	24 was eh until the last 5 minutes	05:00
snapcount	really	05:05
snapcount	I'm waiting for the DVD set to come out for this season	05:05
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lenthamen	Martin ?	15:14
MrHairgrease	len	15:17
MrHairgrease	whazzup	15:17
lenthamen	Have you been to the FOSDEM meeting before ?	15:18
MrHairgrease	only once	15:18
MrHairgrease	I think in 2003	15:18
lenthamen	ok. Is it worth it ?	15:18
MrHairgrease	well	15:18
MrHairgrease	It was ok to see Koen advertsing WebGUI to RMS	15:18
MrHairgrease	especially the response of mr stallman was fun	15:19
MrHairgrease	but it didn't change my life	15:19
MrHairgrease	essentially it's a bunch of nerds in a bit of a smudgy university with really disgusting toilets	15:19
MrHairgrease	I went to some lectures	15:20
MrHairgrease	and they were ok	15:20
MrHairgrease	but not of real interrest to me	15:20
lenthamen	ok.... The entrance is for free	15:20
lenthamen	maybe that's why	15:20
MrHairgrease	too shallow	15:20
MrHairgrease	yeah probably	15:20
MrHairgrease	for instance	15:20
MrHairgrease	there was a talk about firebird	15:20
lenthamen	There's also the SANE conference in Delft.	15:21
MrHairgrease	whats that	15:21
MrHairgrease	the acronym ring a bell	15:21
lenthamen	that must be pretty good, but the entrance is really expensive.	15:21
lenthamen	http://www.sane.nl/	15:21
lenthamen	There's a perl workshop	15:21
lenthamen	http://www.sane.nl/sane2006/perl-workshop.html	15:22
@WRE	<lenthamen> http://tinyurl.com/8alfh	15:22
MrHairgrease	the fee is not for free	15:23
MrHairgrease	but also not absurd compared to other conferences	15:23
MrHairgrease	I can go for only 130 euro's	15:24
MrHairgrease	just for being a student	15:24
lenthamen	yeah. For me cost 450 euro	15:25
lenthamen	that's quite a lot.	15:25
MrHairgrease	and an additional 95 for the perl workshop	15:25
MrHairgrease	I know I won't go	15:25
MrHairgrease	better spend my money on booze, chicks and rock'n'roll	15:26
lenthamen	hehe	15:26
MrHairgrease	ok chick not chicks	15:26
MrHairgrease	she won't aloow extra women on my side	15:26
MrHairgrease	too bad for me I guess =)	15:26
lenthamen	that's old fashioned....	15:26
lenthamen	;)	15:27
MrHairgrease	yeah	15:27
MrHairgrease	you know Dutch women.	15:27
MrHairgrease	btw. Marc is also comming to the wossa borrel	15:27
lenthamen	Did you see the WebGUI::PerformanceProfiler ?	15:27
lenthamen	who's marc ?	15:27
MrHairgrease	Marc is our new test guy	15:28
MrHairgrease	you probably saw him at the euro wuc	15:28
lenthamen	ok.	15:28
lenthamen	might be.	15:28
MrHairgrease	I have seen a bit of the profiler	15:28
MrHairgrease	you rock man	15:28
MrHairgrease	injecting code in subs	15:28
lenthamen	How cool that is :)	15:29
MrHairgrease	I never thought I would ever play with software using typeglobs	15:29
MrHairgrease	did you read perlguts btw?	15:29
lenthamen	nope.	15:29
lenthamen	There's a chapter on type globs in latest "Programming Perl"	15:29
MrHairgrease	edition 3?	15:30
MrHairgrease	my copy is @ procolix so I cannot look it up right now	15:30
MrHairgrease	but I'll belive you	15:30
MrHairgrease	seen this	15:31
MrHairgrease	http://virtualthreads.blogspot.com/2006/02/understanding-memory-usage-on-linux.html	15:31
@WRE	<MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/dnd9d	15:31
lenthamen	Sorry, it is in Advanced Perl Programming, 2nd edition (2005)	15:31
lenthamen	I know the wrong reporting of VM usage on Linux.	15:32
MrHairgrease	haven't got that one	15:32
MrHairgrease	ok	15:32
lenthamen	Can mail it to you if you like.	15:32
MrHairgrease	yeah sure	15:33
MrHairgrease	why not	15:33
lenthamen	hold on.	15:33
* MrHairgrease is holding on		15:33
* MrHairgrease almost looses grip		15:33
lenthamen	sent.	15:34
MrHairgrease	.chm?	15:34
MrHairgrease	what kind of format is that?	15:34
lenthamen	I'm really waiting for a good book on mod_perl2.	15:34
lenthamen	windows help format.	15:35
MrHairgrease	i run linux	15:35
lenthamen	Not sure if you can open it on linux.	15:35
MrHairgrease	no worries	15:35
MrHairgrease	I'll live	15:35
lenthamen	Check this: http://xchm.sourceforge.net/	15:36
MrHairgrease	yeah, i was also googling	15:37
MrHairgrease	I'm checking my package manager first	15:37
MrHairgrease	more easier so to say	15:37
MrHairgrease	bingo	15:39
MrHairgrease	thanks	15:41
lenthamen	Do you need "Perl Best Practises" as well ?	15:57
MrHairgrease	We have that @ procolix already, but a digital copy won't hurt	15:57
MrHairgrease	zap it over	15:57
lenthamen	its on its way.	15:59
MrHairgrease	yes!	16:00
MrHairgrease	hebbes	16:10
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snapcount	Good Morning Vietnam!!!!!!!!!!!!	17:01
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snapcount	oompa loompa doopety doo	17:57
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pbmdawg	bibbity bobbity boo	18:27
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perlDreamer	how goes the debug, snapcount?	19:17
pbmdawg	snapcount is counting snaps in class	19:23
perlDreamer	one	19:27
perlDreamer	two	19:27
perlDreamer	three	19:27
perlDreamer	four	19:56
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crythias	what's new?	21:10
perlDreamer	as far as I can tell, not a whole lot	21:10
perlDreamer	everyone must be busy hacking	21:10
* crythias passes ricolla around.		21:11
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crythias	you know what I'd love to see in FireFox? A side by side tab.	22:55
perlDreamer	so we can each see how much we spent?	22:56
crythias	nah.	22:56
crythias	sometimes I'm bouncing between two sites using one to provide info to the other.	22:56
crythias	tabs stink for that, frankly.	22:56
perlDreamer	I use the bindkeys to jump between tabs	22:56
crythias	yeah, I suppose I could open in new window..	22:56
crythias	but I want to see both in the same window, side by side.	22:57
perlDreamer	that would be a nice feature	22:57
perlDreamer	isn't there some extension that does that?	22:57
crythias	wish there was. it's not intuitively named if there is.	22:57
crythias	but I'm thinking that I might supplant it by simply providing myself a frame split page that will take (at least) one side via http_referal	22:58
crythias	take a button...	23:00
crythias	like del.icio.us post	23:00
crythias	javascript:location.href='http://del.icio.us/crythias?v=3&url='+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+'&title='+encodeURIComponent(document.title)	23:00
crythias	which, on the surface, is a sql injection waiting to happen.	23:01
crythias	ooh.	23:12
crythias	I know... I can get sbsoogle.com	23:13
pbmdawg	"read the gotcha"	23:56
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pbmdawg	we should rename WebGUI to "read the gotcha"	23:57
perlDreamer	it would help	23:57
perlDreamer	it would help more if it displayed those pages the first time every admin logged in after an upgrade :)	23:57
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perlDreamer	or, we could have a little javascript pop-up:	00:08
perlDreamer	Have you read the gotchas.txt file yet? We broke a bunch of things in the release that you need to fix.	00:08
perlDreamer	It would be internationalized, of course	00:08
* snapcount laughs like pee-wee herman		00:14
* pbmdawg smacks Roy like pee-wee herman		00:14
perlDreamer	he does have a point	00:15
@snapcount	who he be	00:15
perlDreamer	the only thing worse than creating reams of documentation is trying to force people to read it	00:15
perlDreamer	he be de dawg-Man	00:16
@snapcount	word?	00:16
@snapcount	oh snap	00:16
@snapcount	or something	00:16
@snapcount	</ebonics>	00:16
perlDreamer	<jive>	00:16
perlDreamer	how goes the debug?	00:16
@snapcount	like the AIrplane movie	00:16
@snapcount	excuse me sir	00:16
@snapcount	I speak Jive	00:16
@snapcount	maybe I can help	00:16
@snapcount	great stuff...	00:17
@snapcount	debug?	00:17
@snapcount	like bug fixing core	00:17
perlDreamer	You signed up to fix virtually bug in SF	00:17
perlDreamer	yeah, core fixin's	00:17
@snapcount	yeah... apparently I also signed up to answer every support request that PB receives	00:17
pbmdawg	darn right	00:17
perlDreamer	newbie!	00:18
@snapcount	so I haven't even started	00:18
@snapcount	newb	00:18
@snapcount	NEWBIE	00:18
perlDreamer	LOWMAN	00:18
@snapcount	yeah	00:18
@snapcount	I'm pretty much JT's bitch now	00:18
pbmdawg	Tina! eat your food!	00:22
pbmdawg	NUBE	00:22
@snapcount	No Napolean... I'm training to be a cage fighter.	00:22
@snapcount	man... I could sure go for some Papa Johns right now	00:31
@snapcount	mmmm	00:32
pbmdawg	don't tempt me	00:33
perlDreamer	is it really that good?	00:52
pbmdawg	unbelievably good.	00:52
@snapcount	duh colin, duh	00:53
perlDreamer	better than Pizza Hut	00:53
@snapcount	gah	00:53
@snapcount	by far	00:53
@snapcount	mmm and desert pizza	00:53
perlDreamer	better than Round Table?	00:53
@snapcount	I don't know what round table is	00:53
perlDreamer	ttp://www.roundtablepizza.com/	00:54
@snapcount	but probably a safe bet that papa johns is superior	00:54
@snapcount	papa johns is like the borg	00:54
@snapcount	it conquers all	00:56
perlDreamer	Your stomach and wallet will adapt to service us. We are the Papa Johns.	01:15
@snapcount	nice	01:15
@snapcount	I like that	01:15
perlDreamer	you can quote me	01:15
perlDreamer	I'm a royalty free kind of guy	01:15
@snapcount	copy left	01:15
@snapcount	creative commons type eh	01:15
perlDreamer	pretty much	01:16
@snapcount	or are you a	01:16
@snapcount	no rights reserved one	01:16
perlDreamer	GPL vs BSD?	01:16
@snapcount	I don't know the diff between the two honestly	01:16
@snapcount	I'm just being silly	01:16
perlDreamer	you summed them up really well	01:16
perlDreamer	copyleft is use of copyright to promote free use	01:16
perlDreamer	that's GPL to a T	01:17
@snapcount	ok... makes sense	01:17
perlDreamer	BSD says, "Here, it's yours"	01:17
perlDreamer	"but don't remove the label"	01:17
@snapcount	cool	01:17
* snapcount knowledge++		01:17
perlDreamer	++$snapcount	01:17
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@snapcount	holy crap	01:30
@snapcount	support is caught up	01:30
perlDreamer	woohoo!	01:30
@snapcount	that gives me 1.5 hours for bug fixen!	01:30
@snapcount	yee haw!!	01:30
perlDreamer	DataForm?	01:30
@snapcount	I don't know where to begin	01:31
@snapcount	there are so many	01:31
perlDreamer	2	01:31
@snapcount	2?	01:31
perlDreamer	dataform bugs	01:31
@snapcount	oh... two dataform bugs	01:31
@snapcount	I was speaking to the bugs in general	01:31
perlDreamer	yeah	01:31
perlDreamer	there are a lot	01:31
@snapcount	that's a big one though	01:31
@snapcount	I think I'll wait till later tonight or tommorow to start that one	01:32
@snapcount	when I don't have other commitments that will interrupt the process	01:32
@snapcount	I'm gonna try to pick off some easy ones	01:32
perlDreamer	The Date > 2040 should be an easy one :)	01:35
perlDreamer	and the passThru one is real easy, 11 character fix	01:36
perlDreamer	and it won't happen in 6.9	01:36
@snapcount	yeah b/c of JSON	01:36
@snapcount	but don't say that too loud	01:36
@snapcount	or Colin will start flaming you =)	01:37
perlDreamer	huh?	01:37
perlDreamer	has he got something against JSON?	01:37
@snapcount	oh god	01:37
@snapcount	please don't go there...	01:37
pbmdawg	Colin?	01:37
@snapcount	you can ask him if you dare	01:37
@snapcount	err Gerald	01:37
@snapcount	I'm an idiot	01:37
perlDreamer	thanks	01:37
@snapcount	don't you love it when someone is addressing you about yourself in the third person	01:38
crythias	JSON is lame.	01:38
crythias	:)	01:38
@snapcount	I love this room... you guys make me laugh my ass off	01:39
perlDreamer	plop	01:39
crythias	heh	01:39
perlDreamer	hey, more room for Papa Johns!	01:39
* crythias has his order on perpetual refresh.		01:39
crythias	JSON wields a big machete.	01:40
perlDreamer	It must be dull because you said JSON is lame.	01:41
crythias	snicker snack, snicker snack and through and through.	01:41
crythias	vorpal blade	01:42
perlDreamer	snapcount, would you mind if I work on the profileField = 0 bug?	01:45
* crythias shakes it like a polaroid picture. I'... I'm just bein' honest.		01:47
@snapcount	no	01:50
@snapcount	go for it	01:50
@snapcount	assign as many as you'd like to yourself	01:50
@snapcount	please, I'm begging you	01:50
@snapcount	I'll buy you a beer at the WUC	01:51
@snapcount	(cheap beer)	01:51
perlDreamer	I owe you a beer anyway	01:51
crythias	when's next?	01:51
perlDreamer	for a late night server fix	01:51
@snapcount	oh yeah	01:51
@snapcount	crythias: later this year =)	01:52
crythias	heh.	01:52
perlDreamer	September, isn't it?	01:52
@snapcount	I could tell you	01:52
@snapcount	but I'd have to kill you	01:52
perlDreamer	How much time have you been spending with JT?	01:52
crythias	oh, that's ok. It's not like anyone would want to see me anyway.	01:52
crythias	again	01:52
perlDreamer	hogwash	01:53
@snapcount	I'd like to meet you	01:53
perlDreamer	if you're not there, we're coming to get you	01:53
@snapcount	as far as seeing you again	01:53
crythias	I'm being facetious.	01:53
@snapcount	well, we'll see =)	01:53
perlDreamer	that little hurricane thing that you went through...	01:53
perlDreamer	it's nothing like us when we're bent out of shape	01:53
perlDreamer	we'll rewrite your operating system	01:54
crythias	heh.	01:54
crythias	No, I'm definitely going to go to the next WUC, even if it means gulp I'll buy my own ticket.	01:54
perlDreamer	since Papa John's uses WebGUI, we'll put code like:	01:54
perlDreamer	If ($username eq 'crythia') {	01:54
crythias	well, I don't want to be held to that.	01:54
crythias	If I have to pay, I'm probably not going to be at my current job.	01:55
@snapcount	I wish Papa Johns used WG	01:55
perlDreamer	push @order, 'double tuna with jalapenos and peanut butter';	01:55
perlDreamer	}	01:55
@snapcount	that would make them even more superior	01:55
crythias	ahhh yeah...	01:55
crythias	I'm still thinkin' that I want to make that side by side thing.	01:56
perlDreamer	I found it	01:57
crythias	oh?	01:57
perlDreamer	(defined $u && $u->profileField($properties->{name})	01:57
crythias	oh.	01:57
crythias	:)	01:57
perlDreamer	anytime we store data that is false, it will fall through to the bottom	01:57
perlDreamer	past the user profile field check	01:57
perlDreamer	past the session check (with the same bug)	01:57
perlDreamer	re lines 145-153 in ProfileField.pm, anyone see a problem with adding defined before all value checks?	01:59
crythias	is necessary?	02:01
perlDreamer	if you store the value 0, then the check fails even that the data is valid	02:01
perlDreamer	I'm pretty sure it's necessary	02:01
crythias	will break stuff?	02:01
perlDreamer	that's what I'm askin'.	02:01
crythias	will it take longer to parse?	02:02
perlDreamer	probably. instead of just checking the veracity of the value, it has to check for definedness and then check the veracity of the return value of defined	02:02
crythias	will anyone notice the difference in speed? Is there any other way to do it? will it still parse proper?	02:03
perlDreamer	it will still parse, and I doubt the speed difference is humanly perceptible	02:03
crythias	just do it, as long as it'll provide the negative parse proper.	02:05
perlDreamer	I'll say that you said it was okay in the commit log :)	02:05
crythias	who the heck am I, anyway? :) it's gotta be fixed, right? :)	02:06
perlDreamer	j/k	02:06
perlDreamer	You're WebGUI's best answer man.	02:09
crythias	heh	02:09
perlDreamer	Doctor of Discussion Boards	02:09
perlDreamer	Friar of FAQ	02:09
perlDreamer	snapcount: need someone to make an executive decision on a new bug	02:16
@snapcount	dok	02:51
perlDreamer	DataForm security bug on SF is complaining that default group to view dataform entries is Everyone.	02:52
@snapcount	my decision is to authorize the release of nuclear weapons	02:52
@snapcount	yeah... it was the same way before that feature existed	02:52
@snapcount	that's why it was added so the security could be set	02:52
perlDreamer	I'll let you close it with an appropriate business like answer then :)	02:52
@snapcount	just say, "we have authorized the release of nuclear weapons"	02:53
@snapcount	I'll close that one	02:53
@snapcount	any other decisions, I'd like to blow some more stuff up if possible	02:54
perlDreamer	I had another question but I forgot it.	02:54
perlDreamer	must not have been too important	02:55
@snapcount	well, you see Colin... there are the birds and there are the bees	02:55
@snapcount	I'm hyper on chocolate chip cookies and mountain dew with a splash of chicken and dumplings	02:56
@snapcount	forgive my insolence	02:56
perlDreamer	nothing insolent about sex	02:56
@snapcount	sex? what are you talking about	02:56
@snapcount	I was talking about birds and bees	02:56
@snapcount	you know... mammals and insects	02:57
@snapcount	WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO	02:57
perlDreamer	have some more Mountain Dew	02:57
@snapcount	ok	02:57
@snapcount	I'm cut off	02:57
@snapcount	gotta go see my better half for a while	02:57
perlDreamer	you married?	02:57
@snapcount	nah	02:57
@snapcount	too young for that =)	02:57
crythias	he's got to go to the bathroom	02:57
perlDreamer	listen, here, sonny	02:57
@snapcount	haha	02:58
@snapcount	sorry, no disrespect	02:58
@snapcount	crythias: when I go there I'm usually seeing a man about a horse	02:58
@snapcount	or as I like to say	02:58
perlDreamer	shaking the dew off your lily	02:58
@snapcount	dropping the kids off at the pool =)	02:58
perlDreamer	copping a squat	02:58
perlDreamer	doin' the potty dance	02:58
crythias	making a deposit at the porcelain bank	02:58
perlDreamer	(similar to the Neutron Dance)	02:59
@snapcount	wow	02:59
perlDreamer	and that's with no Mountain Dew	02:59
@snapcount	alright... I will talk to you guys later	02:59
@snapcount	peace out homies!	02:59
crythias	doin the hershey squirts	02:59
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perlDreamer	I think you squirted him out of the room!	02:59
crythias	hee	03:01
perlDreamer	and then perlDreamer brings the SVN server down to its knees	03:01
crythias	ph, no.	03:02
perlDreamer	it doesn't like it when I do merges	03:02
crythias	sigh	03:02
crythias	cpan installs take for ever	03:03
crythias	well, one after another...	03:03
perlDreamer	good night, all	03:07
crythias	gnite	03:07
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snapcount	I'm not really here	03:57
snapcount	crythias: what was that site with the free website templates again?	03:57
crythias	www.oswd.org	03:57
snapcount	thanks	03:57
snapcount	you rock	03:57
crythias	i try	03:58
crythias	snapcount: I've been also trying to assist nbcccorp	04:13
snapcount	yeah	04:26
snapcount	that one's brewing in my mind	04:26
crythias	think it's a preload.perl thing.	04:26
crythias	I'm chatting with him... SDIJason	04:26
snapcount	he's using the WRE though	04:27
crythias	yeah	04:27
snapcount	those issues shouldn't exist	04:27
snapcount	the wre works	04:27
crythias	and I told him to upgrade to 6.8.0 before 6.8.4	04:27
crythias	or 685	04:27
snapcount	I'm going to dup his environment and try the upgrade myself	04:28
snapcount	I don't know how else to troubleshoot it	04:29
crythias	where would modperl...	04:29
crythias	[Tue Feb 07 17:59:16 2006] [error] [client 10.0.2.75] failed to resolve handler `ModPerl::Registry::handler': Can't locate ModPerl/Registry/handler.pm	04:31
crythias	where is this asked?	04:31
snapcount	this perl module should be included in the latest version of the wre	04:35
snapcount	It's probably called by WebGUI.pm	04:35
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pbmdawg	lots of activity in the webgui world today...	18:51
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crythias	hello	19:29
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crythias	The duck, it does quack.	21:54
crythias	Echoes, they cacaphonize.	21:54
crythias	I need new eardrums.	21:54
pbmdawg	Next Generation	22:01
crythias	yes...?	22:02
crythias	Matthew! Long time no talk.	22:02
* crythias is having fun with XWindows on Cygwin from home via putty		22:03
crythias	wowsers	22:09
crythias	lots of posts	22:10
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crythias	howdy	22:48
@snapcount	ho	22:48
@snapcount	it's mr. hankey	22:48
crythias	xtopher asks a lot	22:48
crythias	:)	22:48
@snapcount	no kidding	22:48
@snapcount	i just saw that... thought I was done	22:48
@snapcount	like a freakin' support avalanche	22:48
crythias	"NO"	22:49
crythias	"NO"	22:49
crythias	"Not unless you edit ___.pm	22:49
crythias	:)	22:49
@snapcount	hehe	22:50
crythias	use iDontWorkForPlainBlackDisclaimer;	22:52
@snapcount	that would not be in my best interest	22:52
@snapcount	saying something like that may make it a reality	22:53
crythias	no. I said that.	22:53
@snapcount	oh I get it	22:53
@snapcount	sorry	22:53
@snapcount	my brain is fried	22:53
perlDreamer	need more Mountain Dew	22:53
@snapcount	all I've done today is micro-economics, managerial accounting, and a lot of support requests	22:54
perlDreamer	I fixed another bug for you	22:54
@snapcount	I got that nbcccccc guy going	22:54
crythias	yeah	22:54
crythias	:)	22:54
crythias	I helped him as well.	22:54
@snapcount	aparently you have to upgrade 6.7.5 -> 6.7.8 -> 6.8.0 -> 6.8.5	22:55
@snapcount	thanks	22:55
perlDreamer	wait a minute	22:55
@snapcount	perlDreamer: thanks	22:55
perlDreamer	to get from 6.7.5 you have to run 4 upgrades?	22:55
@snapcount	this guy did	22:55
@snapcount	maybe that's just a coincidence	22:55
@snapcount	but doing that sequence worked	22:56
@snapcount	his WebGUI installation was searching for webgui/lib in /lib (like the root of his filesystem)	22:56
crythias	thee upgrades.	22:56
crythias	three	22:56
@snapcount	weird	22:56
@snapcount	what's the opposite of a fence-post error called	22:57
@snapcount	fence error?	22:57
@snapcount	=)	22:57
@snapcount	off by one	22:57
crythias	gatepass?	22:57
@snapcount	<shrug>	22:57
perlDreamer	two bugs drinking beer on the wal	23:04
perlDreamer	two bugs drinking beer	23:04
perlDreamer	uh	23:04
perlDreamer	oh well	23:04
@snapcount	good thing someone is getting to work on bugs	23:04
@snapcount	I want to but it seems impossible	23:04
@snapcount	it helps a lot	23:04
@snapcount	I can't thank you enough	23:05
perlDreamer	don't thank me too much, I only have time to work on the easy bugs that you and Matt use to take a breather :)	23:05
@snapcount	that's fine	23:05
perlDreamer	shortcut an existing asset, clipboard	23:39
perlDreamer	add an shortcut asset, select by criteria	23:39
crythias	Asset to Mirror would be Asset URL to mirror	23:39
pbmdawg	like, working during class :)	00:14
@snapcount	oh	00:14
@snapcount	I put in about 55 - 60 hours a week	00:15
@snapcount	far from JT status	00:15
@snapcount	but that should count as full time	00:15
@snapcount	actually	00:15
@snapcount	prolly more like 50 - 55	00:15
pbmdawg	same for me, thereabouts.	00:16
@snapcount	that's average I would guess	00:16
@snapcount	probably for Frank too	00:16
@snapcount	I don't know about vrby and steve	00:16
@snapcount	I don't know what kind of hours they put in but i'm sure it's up there	00:16
pbmdawg	frank's like 65-70	00:17
pbmdawg	or higher	00:17
@snapcount	wow	00:17
pbmdawg	(my guess)	00:17
@snapcount	there's no way I could do that with my course load	00:18
perlDreamer	?	00:32
@snapcount	heh	00:33
@snapcount	converting it to 6.9	00:33
pbmdawg	6.8	00:33
@snapcount	that's what I meant	00:33
pbmdawg	say what you mean!!!!	00:33
perlDreamer	esm?	00:33
pbmdawg	I just static-shocked my notebook.	00:33
@snapcount	this is like the caveman version of EMS	00:33
pbmdawg	oh	00:34
@snapcount	the predecessor00:35 <@snapcount> perlDreamer: it's a client app I wrote	00:34
@snapcount	matt gets to go clean up after me	00:35
@snapcount	I feel bad for him	00:35
@snapcount	=)	00:35
perlDreamer	ah	00:35
perlDreamer	not core stuff	00:35
@snapcount	nah	00:35
perlDreamer	I don't think he's here	00:43
@snapcount	he's here	00:43
@snapcount	just ignoring us =)	00:44
pbmdawg	huh	00:44
@snapcount	see	00:44
@snapcount	lol	00:44
perlDreamer	what's the max data in allowed in DateTime?	00:44
perlDreamer	s/data/date	00:44
pbmdawg	DateTime.pm or WebGUI::DateTime	00:45
perlDreamer	yes	00:45
perlDreamer	where does the integer overflow?	00:45
* snapcount snickers		00:45
pbmdawg	um	00:45
pbmdawg	I think it's 8 bit float.	00:45
pbmdawg	no	00:46
pbmdawg	16 bit float	00:46
pbmdawg	signed	00:46
perlDreamer	how big are the mantissa and exponent fields?	00:46
@snapcount	10^69	00:48
@snapcount	-1.00	00:48
@snapcount	for tax	00:48
@snapcount	lovely	00:50
@snapcount	sf just went down	00:50
perlDreamer	I have 4-5 of the bugs memorized	00:51
perlDreamer	which ones have you already fixed?	00:51
@snapcount	passthruUrls	00:51
@snapcount	matrix tmpl var	00:51
perlDreamer	both of them?	00:51
@snapcount	what was the other one	00:51
@snapcount	and the data form security	00:51
perlDreamer	DirectoryIndex not working with passThruUrl	00:51
@snapcount	oh yeah	00:52
@snapcount	I'll do that one	00:52
@snapcount	I saw that guys fix	00:52
perlDreamer	do you have IE?	00:52
@snapcount	but I don't understand why you have to add location blocks for indexs to be picked up	00:52
perlDreamer	there were several with IE that I can't work on because I don't have it.	00:52
@snapcount	I'd have to dust it off	00:53
@snapcount	havent' fired IE up in like 6 months	00:53
perlDreamer	how about FireFox 1.5?	00:53
@snapcount	yep	00:54
@snapcount	1.5.0.1	00:54
perlDreamer	okay	00:54
perlDreamer	there's an Avatar upload problem with FireFox reported by Vitkovsky	00:54
perlDreamer	against IE and FireFox	00:54
perlDreamer	i think an earlier bug may have already fixed it	00:54
pbmdawg	a bug fixed another bug?	00:55
pbmdawg	smart bugs....	00:55
perlDreamer	bugfix	00:55
pbmdawg	roy: email me the salesmgr code (including runhourly) if you still have it	00:55
@snapcount	there is no runHourly for salesmanager	00:56
pbmdawg	err I mean macros	00:56
pbmdawg	same thing	00:56
perlDreamer	has anyone updated the Hourly script for 6.9?	00:56
@snapcount	I'm not sure	01:04
pbmdawg	nope	01:05
@snapcount	matt: it's sent	01:05
@snapcount	perlDreamer: any thoughts on the second passthru bug	01:07
@snapcount	the regex should be working to catch anything after the url	01:07
@snapcount	and returns declined	01:08
@snapcount	funny thing is	01:08
@snapcount	the passthruUrl is working	01:08
@snapcount	you get a 404	01:08
@snapcount	it's just not serving the index page	01:09
perlDreamer	cube talk, be back later	01:11
@snapcount	ok	01:11
@snapcount	weird	01:11
@snapcount	adding those location blocks do make it work though	01:12
@snapcount	so... aparently, a location block with SetHandler None does something that returning DECLINE does not	01:12
@snapcount	nice	01:14
@snapcount	modperl docs don't define the constants	01:15
pbmdawg	dog ate my new cell phone	01:15
@snapcount	like... it's broken?	01:15
pbmdawg	he swallowed the antenna tip	01:17
@snapcount	nice	01:17
@snapcount	Matt: I'm looking for the definitions of the Apache Constants	01:21
@snapcount	like DECLINE	01:21
@snapcount	do you know where I can find that?	01:21
@snapcount	perl.apache.org has squat	01:22
perlDreamer	Apache2::Constants?	01:22
@snapcount	yeah	01:22
perlDreamer	how about perldoc that?	01:22
@snapcount	I'm trying to figure out what is different between SetHandler None in a location block and returning DECLINED	01:22
@snapcount	perldoc Apache2::Constants	01:23
@snapcount	No documentation found for "Apache2::Constants".	01:23
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crythias	Yugioh GX	01:23
crythias	:)	01:23
@snapcount	Yahtzee	01:26
@snapcount	perldoc Apache2::Const	01:26
crythias	apropos what?	01:37
perlDreamer	be back later	01:39
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perlDreamer	sf is back up	01:52
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perlDreamer	go snapcount	02:36
perlDreamer	you bug fixin' monster!	02:36
perlDreamer	how the EMS coming?	02:40
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perlDreamer	snapcount: you busy?	07:50
@snapcount	hehe	07:50
@snapcount	you're funny	07:50
@snapcount	what's up	07:50
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perlDreamer	snapcount, I found another bug	08:22
@snapcount	ooh boy	08:22
@snapcount	what is it	08:23
perlDreamer	you can make WebGUI upload a file of zero size	08:23
@snapcount	heh	08:23
@snapcount	that's cool	08:23
@snapcount	that should be a feature	08:23
perlDreamer	and if you name it like an image, you can make the thumbnail creator fatal out	08:23
perlDreamer	we need a size check in Storage.pm	08:23
@snapcount	add it to the list =)	08:24
perlDreamer	gotcha	08:24
@snapcount	I'm convinced it's growing faster than its shrinking	08:24
perlDreamer	I think you're right	08:24
@snapcount	that's okay though	08:24
perlDreamer	but I'll fix this one tomorrow instead of adding to the list	08:24
@snapcount	just means we'll get it more stable	08:25
perlDreamer	not okay if you're the solo bug fixer	08:25
@snapcount	please add it to the bug list even if you are going to fix	08:25
@snapcount	that way it's documented	08:25
perlDreamer	okay	08:25
@snapcount	I'm giving up on this dataform bug for now	08:25
@snapcount	hopefully someone can tell me how to duplicate it	08:26
* snapcount shrugs		08:26
@snapcount	I've tried everything I can think of and I can't break it	08:26
@snapcount	oh well, guess i should go to bed now... it's late	08:27
@snapcount	talk to you later	08:27
perlDreamer	good night	08:30
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nbcccorp	Hey, is there anyone available who knows something about the ^If(); macro and how I might deal with comma's in it's tests?	15:19
lenthamen	hey nbcccorp	15:29
lenthamen	what are you trying to do ?	15:30
nbcccorp	Hey. I'm using the if macro in wg and when the data has a comma in it the macro fails.	15:38
nbcccorp	so I am using ^If('<tmpl_var row.field.name.value>' eq 'United States',true,false);	15:39
nbcccorp	when it hits 'Korea, Republic of' it fails	15:39
lenthamen	Ok, I understand.	15:40
lenthamen	In the SQL query you could replace the field with a html escaped comma	15:40
nbcccorp	what would that look like?	15:41
nbcccorp	wait, I see what you mean, in the sql statement replace , with , right?	15:44
lenthamen	exactly	15:44
nbcccorp	I will try that. thx.	15:44
lenthamen	select replace("foo,bar",",",",");	15:45
nbcccorp	I think I will need to do a sql if test to see if there is a comma in the data returned	15:46
lenthamen	You can just call the replace. It won't change the value if there's no comma in it.	15:46
nbcccorp	didn't realize that.	15:47
lenthamen	SELECT REPLACE(country , "," , ",") AS escaped_country FROM countries;	15:48
lenthamen	Wouldn't it be easier to not use the If macro at all ?	15:49
lenthamen	I mean, you can let MySQL do that kind of checks too.	15:50
nbcccorp	I'm using the if macro to display an href if country=united states	15:50
nbcccorp	in the report template	15:50
nbcccorp	that worked perfectly. thank you.	15:51
lenthamen	ok. you're welcome.	15:51
nbcccorp	^If('<tmpl_var field.value>' eq 'United States',<a href="/boardbooks/countbystate"><tmpl_var field.value></a>,<tmpl_var field.value>);	15:52
nbcccorp	should I be able to do that in the sql statement?	15:52
nbcccorp	rather, should I be able to work around that with a sql statement?	15:53
lenthamen	yes, you can move that check in the sql statement.	15:53
lenthamen	hold on a sec, I'm doing that somewhere...	15:53
lenthamen	SELECT IF(1>2,1,0) as showlink	15:57
lenthamen	Take a look at the mysql Control Flow Functions	15:58
nbcccorp	ok. thx.	15:58
lenthamen	In your template you can do this:	15:59
lenthamen	<tmpl_if row.field.showlink.value>	15:59
lenthamen	<!-- show the link -->	15:59
lenthamen	</tmpl_if>	15:59
nbcccorp	gotcha. That's a great way to deal with alot of things I am currently using the If macro for. Thanks.	16:00
lenthamen	It's faster and less error prone.	16:00
nbcccorp	and should simplify templates for me.	16:01
lenthamen	yeah definitely.	16:01
lenthamen	good luck with it...	16:01
nbcccorp	I hope so..	16:01
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nbcccorp	anyone out there know if it's possible to do an Include in the webgui site.conf files? End up with one file which contains all the macro,wobject statements for all of my sites.	16:43
@snapcount	sup peeps	17:09
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@snapcount	WOO HOO	18:29
pbmdawg	?	18:29
@snapcount	I finally know what the hell is going on	18:29
@snapcount	with the directory index problem and passthruUrls	18:29
@snapcount	apparently mod_dir is executed towards the end of the apache request cycle	18:30
@snapcount	and because we take the cycle over with PerlInitHandler	18:30
@snapcount	mod_dir never gets called	18:30
@snapcount	and therefore never does it's magic to process index files	18:30
@snapcount	so I just have to write a PerlFixupHandler to make mod_dir do it's thing	18:31
@snapcount	at the appropriate time	18:31
@snapcount	well, that's the theory anyway	18:31
@snapcount	I'm going to try and implement a fix now	18:32
@snapcount	so we'll see if I prematurally celebrated	18:32
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crythias	he suffers from cd. celebratory dysfunction. Now, there is hope. A new series of medications is now available for cd.	18:57
crythias	With ProLong, your celebrations can be longer and louder than ever before.	18:58
crythias	Technological innovations allow you to control your celebrations until the right moment. You'll know when it's time, and you'll be ready.	18:59
@snapcount	ROFLMAO	18:59
crythias	Tom, from Sheboigan says, "I used to have premature celebration. I was at this surprise party, and completely ruined the surprise. Now, with ProLong, I can hold that celebration until it's time."	19:00
* snapcount is crying		19:00
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crythias	Mary, another satisfied customer, says, "My husband suffered from severe cd. He just couldn't celebrate. At our son's birthday party, he barely sang 'Happy Birthday'. Our son's next birthday is coming up, and my husband's been taking ProLong. My husband actually wants to dress up as a clown and tie balloons! Thank you, ProLong."	19:03
perlDreamer	snapcount: y'all about ready to commit?	19:04
perlDreamer	you shouldn't be afraid to commit you know	19:04
perlDreamer	it shows an insecurity in relationships	19:04
perlDreamer	plus, he who commits last has to merge	19:04
crythias	http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/iFfl0688.nln.html	19:05
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/9nntj	19:05
* pbmdawg commits early and often		19:05
@snapcount	not me	19:05
pbmdawg	analogous to releasing early and releasing often.	19:05
crythias	vote early. vote often!	19:06
@snapcount	I will commit when I fix this passthruUrl bug	19:06
crythias	Roy: You liked my commercial?	19:06
@snapcount	I think I'm close	19:06
@snapcount	yes	19:06
@snapcount	you should start an ad agency	19:06
crythias	heh	19:06
crythias	yaknow, disconnected usb mice don't work.	19:08
crythias	just sayin'.	19:08
@snapcount	you need wireless usb	19:08
@snapcount	!bofh	19:09
@WRE	BOFH Quick-excuse: because Bill Gates is a Jehovah's witness and so nothing can work on St. Swithin's day.	19:09
crythias	Suicides surged by 35 percent in 1998 as Japan's economy was mired in stagnation and have exceeded 30,000 every year since then.	19:10
crythias	The heck?	19:10
@snapcount	SCORE	19:14
@snapcount	it works	19:14
* snapcount does a dance		19:14
@snapcount	that's the good news	19:14
perlDreamer	what's the bad news?	19:17
@snapcount	more support to do now =)	19:17
perlDreamer	oy	19:17
@snapcount	fixing this bug was my taking a break	19:17
@snapcount	it was much needed	19:17
@snapcount	had to bury my head in code for a bit	19:17
@snapcount	get my bearings	19:17
perlDreamer	could you mark which bugs you've fixed so that I don't duplicate what you've done	19:17
@snapcount	I've been closing the trackers	19:18
@snapcount	and I'm about to commit	19:18
@snapcount	ok I committed	19:39
perlDreamer	I did too	19:39
perlDreamer	I'm looking at the new IP filter bug	19:39
perlDreamer	any ideas?	19:39
@snapcount	first thought is are they behind a proxy (like WRE)	19:40
@snapcount	and is the IP being passed through	19:40
perlDreamer	I'll test the basic feature, and then if it passes I'll ask them for more info	19:41
@snapcount	but I'm pretty sure that WebGUI.pm takes care of that	19:41
@snapcount	(proxies)	19:41
@snapcount	yep	19:41
@snapcount	### check to see if client is proxied and adjust remote_addr as necessary	19:41
@snapcount	if ($ENV{HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR} ne "") {	19:41
@snapcount	$session{env}{REMOTE_ADDR} = $ENV{HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR};	19:41
@snapcount	}	19:41
@snapcount	so it's probably something else	19:41
perlDreamer	I have an idea	19:42
perlDreamer	let's stop putting so many bugs INTO WebGUI so that we can spend less time debugging WG and more time doing fun stuff	19:42
perlDreamer	like our top secret Papa John's work	19:42
@snapcount	yes	19:43
@snapcount	now you're thinking	19:43
@snapcount	ok... back to support for me	19:43
@snapcount	I'll check in from time to time	19:43
@snapcount	hopefully I'll be back to bug squashing soon	19:43
@snapcount	ok... my changes are merged into head as well	20:00
perlDreamer	adding new users is broken	20:01
@snapcount	I noticed that the other day	20:01
@snapcount	in head right	20:01
perlDreamer	6.8.6	20:01
@snapcount	oh	20:01
@snapcount	didn't know that	20:01
perlDreamer	I'm going to test demo to see if it's there, too	20:01
perlDreamer	it's broken there, too	20:03
@snapcount	my god	20:03
@snapcount	we need to put WebGUI in a tent	20:03
@snapcount	and fumagate	20:03
perlDreamer	everybody: We need to thoroughly test 6.8.5	20:03
perlDreamer	if you can create a demo site and try even the most menial of tasks, adding users, groups, changing settings	20:04
@snapcount	for sure	20:07
@snapcount	this is getting ridiculous	20:07
perlDreamer	even 5 minutes will make a difference	20:10
perlDreamer	it would be great if you post bugs to SF and then mention them here.	20:10
pbmdawg	colin: anon. regist. works in 6.9....?	20:41
perlDreamer	haven't checked	20:41
perlDreamer	any suggestions for debugging this one in 6.8.6?	20:41
perlDreamer	seems like I've seen this before, but don't remember how it got fixed.	20:41
perlDreamer	huh	20:42
perlDreamer	let me try again	20:42
perlDreamer	Admin operation Add new user is broken	20:43
perlDreamer	I didn't try anonymous registration	20:43
perlDreamer	in 6.8.5	20:43
perlDreamer	I don't think anonymous registration is working either in 6.8.6	20:55
perlDreamer	seems to be working in 6.8.5 on plainblack.com	20:55
perlDreamer	!lastSpoke snapcount	23:27
@WRE	snapcount last uttered a word on #webgui 3 hours, 20 minutes ago.	23:28
@snapcount	;alkjf;la	23:29
@snapcount	better?	23:29
pbmdawg	worse	23:29
@snapcount	now it will say 1 minute ago =)	23:29
perlDreamer	it just got real quiet while I was gone at lunch	23:29
crythias	!lastSpoke crythias	23:29
@WRE	crythias last uttered a word on #webgui 4 hours, 19 minutes ago.	23:29
perlDreamer	snapcount: supporting or debugging?	23:30
@snapcount	debugging a support	23:30
@snapcount	ironically, the root cause is probably bugs in 6.8	23:30
@snapcount	!lastspoke my_ass	23:32
perlDreamer	What?	23:32
perlDreamer	bugs in WebGUI?	23:32
perlDreamer	surely you jest	23:32
@snapcount	$self->jest;	23:33
crythias	don't call me Shirley.	23:33
crythias	hrm.	23:34
crythias	I need to find a place that I can have a house. And a job.	23:34
@snapcount	!quote MSFT	23:35
@WRE	MSFT -> 26.69 -0.22 / Last Trade 4:30pm / Change -0.82% / Volume 26.63 / 52 Week Range 26.70	23:35
@snapcount	keep fallin' baby	23:35
perlDreamer	!quote MXIM	23:35
@WRE	MXIM -> 40.40 -1.28 / Last Trade 4:23pm / Change -3.07% / Volume 40.20 / 52 Week Range 40.75	23:35
perlDreamer	grrrr	23:35
pbmdawg	!quote GOOG	23:35
@WRE	GOOG -> 362.00 -7.08 / Last Trade 4:34pm / Change -1.92% / Volume 362.01 / 52 Week Range 362.24	23:35
pbmdawg	!quote AAPL	23:35
@WRE	AAPL -> 64.73 -4.08 / Last Trade 4:34pm / Change -5.93% / Volume 64.73 / 52 Week Range 64.89	23:35
@snapcount	!WGUI	23:36
@snapcount	!quote WGUI	23:36
@WRE	WGUI -> No such stock symbol found	23:36
perlDreamer	!quote PB	23:36
@WRE	PB -> No such stock symbol found	23:36
perlDreamer	!quote JT	23:36
@WRE	JT -> No such stock symbol found	23:36
@snapcount	!bash support	23:36
@WRE	!bash search results: Q# 60469 \| Q# 191063 \| Q# 408973 \| Q# 131553 \| Q# 464561 \| Q# 354453 \| Q# 447828 \| Q# 146073 \| Q# 178285 \| Q# 495510	23:36
pbmdawg	!quote JT.OB	23:36
crythias	!quote PL-PB	23:36
@WRE	JT.OB -> No such stock symbol found	23:36
@WRE	PL-PB -> 24.45 0.00 / Last Trade 3:58pm / Change 0.00% / Volume 0.01 / 52 Week Range 4000.00	23:36
@snapcount	!bash 60469	23:36
@WRE	\|bash\| <tomfoolery> there's a small fire burning in my room	23:36
@WRE	\|bash\| <beretta> lemme guess im supposed to act suprised that you're telling us and not making any attempt to extinguish it, so i can submit it to bash where it will join the ranks of the other 'SOMETHING CATOSTROPHIC HAPPENED SO I CAME TO TELL YOU GUYS ON IRC FIRST INSTEAD OF ATTEMPTING TO DEFUSE THE HOSTILE SITUATION' quotes that are grossly abundant, similar, and overrated. and despite a new one is submitted each week and only the location of the	23:36
perlDreamer	what is bash?	23:37
crythias	bash.org	23:37
@snapcount	!bash colin	23:37
@WRE	!bash search results: Q# 433425 \| Q# 13857	23:37
crythias	!quote PL-PB	23:37
@WRE	PL-PB -> 24.45 0.00 / Last Trade 3:58pm / Change 0.00% / Volume 0.01 / 52 Week Range 4000.00	23:37
crythias	!quote BLK	23:38
@WRE	BLK -> 134.31 +3.20 / Last Trade 4:00pm / Change +2.44% / Volume 134.31 / 52 Week Range N/A	23:38
@snapcount	!bofh	23:38
@WRE	BOFH Quick-excuse: Too many little pins on CPU confusing it, bend back and forth until 10-20% are neatly removed. Do _not_ leave metal bits visible!	23:38
crythias	!quote GUI	23:38
@WRE	GUI -> 25.0999 +0.0999 / Last Trade 12:12pm / Change +0.40% / Volume 24.61 / 52 Week Range 26.90	23:38
@snapcount	calc mattscode	23:39
@WRE	mattscode = <pbmdawg> {dangit;} i broke 6.9... beyond repair, probably.	23:39
crythias	!quote WEB GUI	23:39
@WRE	WEB -> 2005 9.45 / Last Trade Jan 6 / Change 0.00 / Volume 0.00% / 52 Week Range N/A	23:39
crythias	calc marriage	23:40
@WRE	marriage = <pbmdawg> my sister just got engaged <crythias> but you're already married...	23:40
@snapcount	that's one of my favorites	23:40
@snapcount	ok... back to work for me	23:40
crythias	heh	23:40
crythias	maleswanweb.com is available.	23:42
crythias	lemmingdroppings.com	23:51
crythias	icantbelievethatdomainisavailable.com	23:53
crythias	swimmingool.com is available. Notice no P in it? Let's keep it that way.	23:56
crythias	need to get the available domain stinkyfartpants.com	23:58
@snapcount	how about geraldsfunnydomainnameatadiscountbargainpricejustforyou.com	23:59
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crythias	heh	00:00
crythias	ewwhatsmells.com	00:00
crythias	randomsitename.com	00:01
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@snapcount	d	00:26
perlDreamer	r	00:26
@snapcount	o	00:26
pbmdawg	p	00:26
@snapcount	i	00:26
perlDreamer	n	00:26
@snapcount	g	00:27
pbmdawg	y	00:27
@snapcount	nice	00:27
@snapcount	you screwed it up	00:27
perlDreamer	Hey, Ingy is nice	00:27
@snapcount	dropingy	00:27
@snapcount	that make no sense you jive turkey	00:27
pbmdawg	my dog just ate a hole in my umbrella	00:27
pbmdawg	uh	00:27
pbmdawg	y was starting a new word	00:27
perlDreamer	this is one expensive dog	00:28
@snapcount	my bad brother	00:28
pbmdawg	mozilla 1.4 is fast.	00:28
@snapcount	ok new rule	00:28
@snapcount	if anyone comes in here and says simply, "hello"	00:28
@snapcount	we start that game	00:28
@snapcount	but with words	00:29
@snapcount	we'll go in order as listed by nick	00:29
@snapcount	starting with who says the magic word	00:29
perlDreamer	how about age instead?	00:29
@snapcount	we may not know ages	00:29
@snapcount	what if Capt_Kangaroo joins	00:29
perlDreamer	he's dead	00:30
@snapcount	exactly	00:30
@snapcount	so how old is he	00:30
@snapcount	hello	00:30
perlDreamer	how	00:30
perlDreamer	sorry, jumped the gun	00:30
@snapcount	wow	00:30
@snapcount	we suck	00:31
@snapcount	I guess we'll have to stick to the license plate game	00:31
@snapcount	heh	00:31
perlDreamer	WE SUXORS	00:31
@snapcount	I'm about to run a script that will add 1100 layouts to my dev site	00:32
@snapcount	all under home	00:32
perlDreamer	I'll pray	00:32
@snapcount	my computer will probably melt	00:32
@snapcount	Client added a bunch of content and it just 'disappeared'	00:32
@snapcount	at first I was going to ask him to reproduce	00:32
pbmdawg	good luck running ?func=manageAssets on home	00:32
@snapcount	but...	00:32
perlDreamer	like gone from database?	00:33
@snapcount	like gone	00:33
@snapcount	yeah	00:33
@snapcount	no errors in log	00:33
@snapcount	no anything	00:33
@snapcount	just gone	00:33
perlDreamer	sounds like a bad Hourly script	00:33
@snapcount	sounds like 6.8	00:33
@snapcount	=)	00:33
pbmdawg	sounds like WebGUI.	00:33
pbmdawg	sounds like PlainBlack software.	00:34
@snapcount	we have to get this stable	00:34
@snapcount	we have a really good product	00:34
pbmdawg	pffffff	00:34
@snapcount	but the bugs have got to go	00:34
pbmdawg	;) it doesn't need to be stable	00:34
pbmdawg	how do you think we make our money??!?!?!!!!	00:34
@snapcount	by innovating	00:34
perlDreamer	yeah, only slightly imbalanced	00:34
perlDreamer	but right now it needs a serious dose of lithium	00:35
@snapcount	we're not running the M$ strategy here	00:35
@snapcount	=)	00:35
pbmdawg	could'a fooled me	00:35
@snapcount	actually... they have a lot of money	00:35
@snapcount	hmm	00:35
pbmdawg	yesh.	00:35
perlDreamer	no	00:35
perlDreamer	no no on	00:35
perlDreamer	no	00:35
pbmdawg	so jt likes len's profiler	00:36
pbmdawg	... heading out for a coupla hours. bb l8r	00:36
@snapcount	to make things interesting	00:37
@snapcount	lets add an article to each page as well	00:38
perlDreamer	there you go	00:38
perlDreamer	snapcount: you around?	00:57
@snapcount	yes	00:58
perlDreamer	a whole bunch of new templates were recently added to WG.	00:59
perlDreamer	I think they might be a little screwed up.	00:59
perlDreamer	where they added to 6.8.6?	00:59
perlDreamer	on just 6.9?	00:59
@snapcount	I'm not sure	00:59
@snapcount	I'll have to ask Steve	00:59
perlDreamer	I think the createAccount template might be bad	01:00
@snapcount	I'm asking him now	01:00
perlDreamer	hold on	01:04
perlDreamer	the template is okay	01:04
perlDreamer	it's the anonymousRegistration setting.	01:05
@snapcount	he's checking them into 6.8 into a special folder in docs	01:05
perlDreamer	okay, I'll double check them	01:05
@snapcount	but nothing is done with them until the 6.8 -> 6.9 upgrade	01:05
@snapcount	the upgrade adds them into 6.9	01:05
perlDreamer	okay	01:05
* snapcount adds 5000 Page layouts under home		01:07
perlDreamer	is anonymous registration off by default?	01:08
@snapcount	yeah	01:08
@snapcount	should be	01:08
perlDreamer	okay, that means that my two bugs are down to 0.5 bugs	01:08
@snapcount	cool	01:09
@snapcount	that's a good trend	01:09
perlDreamer	I had a friend verify that Moz 1.4 has the editUser problem, but other versions don't seem to	01:09
perlDreamer	disabling tinyMCE is a temporary workaround	01:09
@snapcount	I currently have 2800 assets in the db	01:13
@snapcount	about half way there	01:13
perlDreamer	any idea what might be making them disappear?	01:14
@snapcount	no... that's why I'm doing this	01:14
@snapcount	I can't think of anything that would make that happen	01:14
perlDreamer	version control	01:14
@snapcount	it's set to autocommit	01:14
perlDreamer	I mean, it has the ability to do stuff like that	01:15
@snapcount	oh yeah	01:15
@snapcount	i c what you mean	01:15
@snapcount	4000	01:16
perlDreamer	while you're waiting, would you look at some code with me?	01:17
@snapcount	sure	01:17
perlDreamer	WebGUI::HTTP	01:17
@snapcount	what are we looking at	01:17
perlDreamer	sub getHeader	01:17
perlDreamer	it's Frank's bug	01:17
perlDreamer	there's a hash, %params, that has stuff added to it, but it never gets used	01:18
@snapcount	ok	01:19
@snapcount	I see it	01:19
perlDreamer	so the bug is that the HTTP header fileName never gets set, and from this code, you can see why	01:20
perlDreamer	it gets assigned to a hash that doesn't ever do anything	01:20
perlDreamer	it looks like something was partially converted, then not finished	01:20
@snapcount	yeah... the hash needs to have keys that match the header keys	01:20
@snapcount	then set them	01:20
@snapcount	in a loop or something	01:21
@snapcount	or screw the loop	01:21
@snapcount	and the hash	01:21
@snapcount	and just set the properties in the if stmts	01:21
perlDreamer	-attachment = Attachment	01:22
perlDreamer	-expires = Expires	01:22
perlDreamer	?	01:22
@snapcount	those are probably mp2 methods they are calling	01:23
@snapcount	so we'll have to find the docs	01:23
@snapcount	to see what properties we can set	01:23
@snapcount	->headers_out->set	01:23
@snapcount	I'll look in the mp2 docs	01:24
@snapcount	ok... it is part of the request object	01:32
@snapcount	it just takes key value pairs	01:32
@snapcount	of whatever	01:32
@snapcount	we need a reference for HTTP/1.1 headers	01:32
@snapcount	that are valid	01:33
perlDreamer	or a copy of pre mp2 WebGUI code.	01:33
@snapcount	that's what will tell us the keys we can use	01:33
@snapcount	we could browse cvs	01:33
@snapcount	http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html	01:34
@WRE	<snapcount> http://tinyurl.com/9fxl7	01:34
perlDreamer	this is an old bug	01:36
@snapcount	huh?	01:37
perlDreamer	I've traced it all the way back to the 6.9 fork	01:37
@snapcount	been around a while	01:37
@snapcount	that link I posted has all the valid headers	01:37
@snapcount	for http/1.1	01:37
perlDreamer	I don't see headers for attachment or cookie in there	01:39
perlDreamer	the bug was introduced in CVS version 1.18	01:43
@snapcount	whoa	01:43
perlDreamer	when WG was originally converted over to a mod_perl handler	01:44
perlDreamer	in May 2005	01:44
@snapcount	ok... my script is done... I have to figure out this suppt req	01:44
perlDreamer	thanks for the help	01:44
@snapcount	I didn't really help =) but your welcom	01:44
perlDreamer	chansen: are you lurking about?	01:52
@snapcount	colin: those pages didn't disappear	01:53
@snapcount	I was on the wrong server... I was on a dev server	01:53
perlDreamer	still have all 5k?	01:53
@snapcount	they are in the db	01:53
perlDreamer	oh	01:53
@snapcount	I do yeha	01:53
@snapcount	so we know wg can do it =)	01:53
@snapcount	kinda cool	01:54
@snapcount	I moved em around and everything	01:54
perlDreamer	so no support req?	01:54
@snapcount	still have to figure out why they disappeared from the website	01:54
@snapcount	but they are at least in the db	01:54
perlDreamer	according to google, Apache2 doesn't do attachments yet	01:55
perlDreamer	this blog entry is old, but it's the only thing I've found: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~tkay/alphamail_oldnews.html	01:55
@WRE	<perlDreamer> http://tinyurl.com/du8um	01:55
@snapcount	found em	01:56
perlDreamer	the lost pages?	01:56
perlDreamer	cool!	01:56
@snapcount	they are in a trash-limbo state	01:56
@snapcount	don't know what that means though	01:57
@snapcount	or why it would happen =)	01:57
perlDreamer	ah	01:57
@snapcount	but that's why they aren't being shown	01:57
@snapcount	guess I'll have to ask the big dog	01:57
chansen	perlDreamer: whatsup?	02:17
perlDreamer	does Apache2 support attachments?	02:17
chansen	attachments?	02:17
perlDreamer	similar to the CGI method header( -attachment => 'filename')	02:18
chansen	ahh, ofcourse, just set the header	02:18
chansen	IIRC $r->headers_out->set( Disposition => 'asdasdasd' );	02:18
perlDreamer	ah attachment = Disposition ?	02:19
chansen	IIRC yes	02:19
chansen	I'm pretty sure	02:19
chansen	It's not a standard track	02:19
chansen	but most browsers grok it	02:19
perlDreamer	I'll try it	02:20
perlDreamer	thanks	02:20
perlDreamer	you've been awfully quiet today	02:20
perlDreamer	actually, that's almost it	02:22
perlDreamer	Content-Disposition: attachment;	02:22
perlDreamer	filename=$attachment	02:23
perlDreamer	but with your help I was able to track it down	02:23
chansen	:)	02:23
perlDreamer	later guys, thanks for the chat	03:02
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crythias	howdy	03:25
crythias	A skeleton walks into a bar. He tells the bartender... Gimme a beer. .... and a mop.	03:26
* snapcount chuckels		03:32
@snapcount	see you guys later	03:32
@snapcount	need to take a break for a while	03:33
crythias	wow	03:36
crythias	support questions are nuts.	03:37
crythias	calc remove marriage	03:38
crythias	calc marriage	03:38
@WRE	marriage = <pbmdawg> my sister just got engaged <crythias> but you're already married...	03:38
crythias	remove marriage	03:39
crythias	calc three	03:39
@WRE	No calc set for "three"	03:39
crythias	calc marriage	03:39
@WRE	marriage = <pbmdawg> my sister just got engaged <crythias> but you're already married...	03:39
crythias	sigh	03:39
* pbmdawg snorts		03:43
pbmdawg	calc crythias	03:49
@WRE	crythias = saihtyrc	03:49
pbmdawg	calc crythias FAHQEW	03:49
crythias	well, I want it gone	03:51
crythias	calc crythias	03:51
@WRE	crythias = saihtyrc	03:51
crythias	ahhyeah	03:51
crythias	someone has zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba.com	03:52
pbmdawg	anyone know of a .pl to convert pod to html?	04:29
pbmdawg	by "anyone", I mean the only person in here who is actually here - crythias?	04:30
crythias	?	04:30
crythias	turned on gaim alert on my name ah... yeah.	04:30
crythias	perl pod2html?	04:31
crythias	that'd be command line.	04:32
crythias	http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/perl-5.8.0/pod/pod2html.PL	04:34
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/9tph7	04:34
crythias	http://search.cpan.org/~jhi/perl-5.8.0/lib/Pod/Html.pm	04:35
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/bhzre	04:35
crythias	beauty and geek.. He's a great little hostess.	04:37
crythias	"hostess... is that a what you call a guy?"	04:38
crythias	sigh	04:55
pbmdawg	sigh?	05:05
crythias	yeah	05:07
crythias	did I give you what you needed?	05:07
pbmdawg	I think so; thanks!	05:07
crythias	:)	05:07
pbmdawg	haven't tried it yet.	05:08
pbmdawg	'night	05:38
crythias	night	05:39
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MrHairgrease	chansen	17:59
MrHairgrease	I found out the problem with the rewriting on 6.9	18:00
MrHairgrease	i happens to be that a PerlINitHandler normally is equivalent to PerlHeaderParserHandler	18:00
MrHairgrease	except if it's directly in a virtualhost or no bloack at all	18:01
MrHairgrease	in that case it's a PerlPostReadRequestHandler which precedes the transhandler phase	18:01
MrHairgrease	which is indeed used by mod_rewrite	18:02
MrHairgrease	Wrapping the stuff in a location block does the trick.	18:02
chansen	cool	18:03
@snapcount	I just fixed a similar problem	18:03
MrHairgrease	what	18:03
@snapcount	well, kinda similar	18:03
MrHairgrease	oh ok.	18:03
@snapcount	it was that directory indexes were ignored in passthruUrls	18:03
@snapcount	it happened b/c mod_dir was being skipped	18:04
MrHairgrease	how did you fix that?	18:04
@snapcount	putting it in a location block also fixed	18:04
@snapcount	I wrote another handler	18:04
@snapcount	a PerlFixupHandler	18:04
@snapcount	that handed of to mod_dir when needed	18:04
@snapcount	it's in head in WebGUI.pm if you want to take a look	18:04
MrHairgrease	maybe later	18:05
@snapcount	maybe a similar solution is possible for this problem	18:05
* snapcount shrugs		18:05
MrHairgrease	I've been busy all day on the rwrite thing, explaining stuff to Wouter and fixing just a single bug	18:05
@snapcount	heh	18:05
MrHairgrease	that bug has cost me many hours today	18:05
@snapcount	bugs suxk	18:05
@snapcount	I spent a lot of time on the one I just told you about too	18:06
@snapcount	about 5-6 hours	18:06
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@snapcount	thx for helping with bugs btw	18:06
@snapcount	I really appreciate it	18:06
MrHairgrease	it's not in sf.net but when you upload a file or an image the privileges are not set correctly	18:06
MrHairgrease	If you use a filepile that adds to the complexity	18:06
MrHairgrease	but I didn't realse that at first	18:07
MrHairgrease	frustrations	18:07
MrHairgrease	but it's almost tested	18:07
MrHairgrease	I'll put it in SVN this afternoon.	18:07
@snapcount	cool	18:07
@snapcount	rock on =)	18:07
MrHairgrease	good idea!	18:08
MrHairgrease	time for a you-know-what	18:08
@snapcount	stripper?	18:08
@snapcount	new car	18:08
@snapcount	road trip	18:08
MrHairgrease	yes	18:09
@snapcount	all three!	18:09
MrHairgrease	and a beer	18:09
crythias	hair frosting.	18:09
* snapcount cheers		18:09
MrHairgrease	refreshing!	18:09
crythias	did you take your celebratory medicine?	18:09
@snapcount	haha	18:09
MrHairgrease	being?	18:09
MrHairgrease	very hard drugs?	18:09
@snapcount	joke from yesterday	18:10
crythias	Roy suffers from cd. :) celebratory dysfunction.	18:10
@snapcount	I told crythias that I suffered from "premature celebration"	18:10
@snapcount	and it turned into a joke about erectile disfunction	18:10
@snapcount	pretty funny	18:10
crythias	so I invented "ProLong" so you can have longer, louder celebrations.	18:10
crythias	hrm.	18:11
MrHairgrease	aha, so your the guy sending me those informative emails	18:11
crythias	wow rafb cleans out fast	18:12
MrHairgrease	If I didn't have email I would have never known my manlyhood was too short	18:12
@snapcount	me either	18:12
@snapcount	I used to think I was ok	18:12
@snapcount	=)	18:13
MrHairgrease	yeah, your poor girlfriend	18:13
@snapcount	ouch	18:13
* snapcount goes to a corner and pouts		18:13
@snapcount	haha	18:13
MrHairgrease	ouch? can't be hurt by a pinky	18:13
@snapcount	calc MrHairgrease	18:13
@WRE	MrHairgrease = eurohunk	18:13
@snapcount	and this is the thanks I get...	18:14
@snapcount	pinky and the brain	18:14
crythias	narf	18:14
MrHairgrease	msg wre ident whammo	18:15
MrHairgrease	whoops	18:15
crythias	http://www.burn.com/content/brain-waves/cheesewhiz.wav	18:15
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/7augo	18:15
@snapcount	haha	18:16
MrHairgrease	calc pinky <snapcount> I used to think I was ok	18:16
@snapcount	now you have to change your pass	18:16
MrHairgrease	ho do i do that again	18:16
@snapcount	at least you didn't have an embarrasing password	18:16
MrHairgrease	?	18:16
@snapcount	"/msg wre pass yourpass"	18:16
MrHairgrease	I'm getting the (17:17:24) WRE <AUTO-REPLY> : is away: (Auto-Away after 10 mins) [BX-MsgLog On] message again	18:17
MrHairgrease	wre does not like me anymore i guess	18:17
@snapcount	I'll ident you	18:17
@snapcount	and then he will listen	18:17
MrHairgrease	do that	18:17
crythias	this is JT's! http://www.burn.com/content/brain-waves/i-don't-see-it.wav	18:18
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/cj5jw	18:18
crythias	grr.	18:18
crythias	http://www.burn.com/content/brain-waves/no-money.wav	18:19
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/b9pdt	18:19
@snapcount	ok try now	18:19
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@snapcount	I think it's /msg wre pass oldpass newpass	18:20
MrHairgrease	ah	18:21
MrHairgrease	like that?	18:21
MrHairgrease	still getting the same message	18:21
crythias	http://www.burn.com/content/brain-waves/plan-that-works.wav	18:23
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/8m4sp	18:23
@snapcount	that reminds me	18:24
@snapcount	I finally got my website up	18:24
@snapcount	thanks for that link crythias	18:24
@snapcount	those designs were pretty decent	18:24
crythias	:}	18:24
@snapcount	I wound up using one of them	18:24
@snapcount	modified a bit of course	18:24
@snapcount	but it let me have a nice looking wg site in about an hour	18:25
@snapcount	all done in CSS	18:25
@snapcount	was very nice	18:25
crythias	kewl :)	18:25
crythias	Yaknow, "Resident Evil" and "Game of the Year" doesn't exactly match for me for some reason.	18:29
@snapcount	!dubya	18:31
@WRE	"If I'm the president, we're going to have emergency-room care, we're going to have gag orders."	18:31
crythias	Holy cow. http://www.gilby.com/unicycling/photos/2wheeler/	18:43
@WRE	<crythias> http://tinyurl.com/gv	18:43
crythias	who is he?	18:44
crythias	he's the guy who made tinyurl.com	18:44
crythias	yeay.	18:44
MrHairgrease	well it's in svn	19:19
MrHairgrease	time to go home	19:19
@snapcount	later	19:21
@snapcount	thx for the help	19:21
MrHairgrease	bye	19:21
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perlDreamer	ahoy, snapcount	21:03
perlDreamer	be thee bug fixin' today?	21:03
@snapcount	trying	21:03
@snapcount	I'm neck and neck with the support monster	21:03
@snapcount	I close one	21:04
@snapcount	he opens one	21:04
@snapcount	I think I'm winning though	21:04
@snapcount	the amt of support coming in this week has been insane	21:04
@snapcount	very weird	21:04
perlDreamer	6.8	21:04
@snapcount	mostly	21:04
@snapcount	a lot of them are people finding bugs	21:04
perlDreamer	that's good	21:05
@snapcount	I think I just found another one	21:05
perlDreamer	me, too	21:05
@snapcount	if you have like 300 children and you use the asset manager and go to the parent	21:05
@snapcount	the children aren't listed	21:05
@snapcount	it just lists no children at all	21:05
@snapcount	what's yours	21:05
perlDreamer	this is running from a test	21:06
perlDreamer	all of a sudden, $session{dbh} gets lost	21:06
@snapcount	lost?	21:07
@snapcount	like loses connection to the database?	21:07
perlDreamer	not an object anymore	21:07
@snapcount	hmm	21:07
perlDreamer	nm	21:07
perlDreamer	it's always bad to have the call to "cleanup" before tests	21:08
@snapcount	$self->isNaB('dbh_handle_disappears');	21:08
perlDreamer	isNaB?	21:08
@snapcount	that's kinda like isNaN	21:08
@snapcount	Not a Number	21:08
perlDreamer	so what's B?	21:09
@snapcount	I think it's a java or javascript notation	21:09
@snapcount	Not a Bug	21:09
@snapcount	=)	21:09
@snapcount	if we could just get someone to write a isNaB method	21:10
@snapcount	we would be a lot quicker at this whole bug fixing thing	21:10
perlDreamer	or if we had users who wrote sane bug reports	21:10
@snapcount	I think it would be easier to write the method	21:11
@snapcount	lol	21:11
perlDreamer	how about a ftB method?	21:13
perlDreamer	$WebGUI->ftB(sf_ref => 34532123);	21:14
@snapcount	there you go	21:14
@snapcount	does the f mean "find" or "fix"	21:14
perlDreamer	fix, of course	21:14
perlDreamer	similar to Perl's DWIM module	21:14
@snapcount	good man, good man	21:14
@snapcount	what is that	21:14
@snapcount	geez	21:18
perlDreamer	?	21:18
@snapcount	I try to open the asset manager	21:18
@snapcount	and its taking forever	21:18
perlDreamer	300 kids	21:18
@snapcount	there's only 5004 pages	21:18
@snapcount	under home	21:18
@snapcount	my laptop is going to melt	21:18
perlDreamer	get it off your lap	21:19
@snapcount	onto what	21:19
@snapcount	my piii 450 dev box	21:19
perlDreamer	something metal	21:19
perlDreamer	non flammable	21:19
@snapcount	that will make it sloooower	21:19
* snapcount is slow today		21:19
@snapcount	6337 nobody 25 0 142m 132m 5468 R 73.9 16.9 3:40.24 httpd	21:20
@snapcount	webgui is being nice at least	21:20
@snapcount	not taking all of the resources	21:20
perlDreamer	$bug->close()	21:21
@snapcount	you fixed it?	21:21
perlDreamer	yeah	21:21
perlDreamer	IP filter for Visitor	21:21
* snapcount slides Colin a beer		21:21
perlDreamer	Martin is fixing bugs,too	21:22
@snapcount	still	21:22
@snapcount	I thought he went home	21:22
@snapcount	it's like two days in the future where he is or something	21:22
@snapcount	I think	21:22
perlDreamer	now to forward port	21:23
@snapcount	the fun part	21:23
perlDreamer	not too bad	21:24
perlDreamer	merging in SVN is way better than CVS	21:24
@snapcount	I meant when you have to adapt the change to be 6.9 compatible	21:24
perlDreamer	yeah. That's not too fun	21:24
@snapcount	hehe	21:24
@snapcount	I hope peeps are remembering to do that	21:25
perlDreamer	me 2	21:25
perlDreamer	I'm starting to feel like the indentation nazi.	21:28
@snapcount	!dubya	21:40
@WRE	"A tax cut is really one of the anecdotes to coming out of an economic illness."	21:40
perlDreamer	!exit	21:41
perlDreamer	!eval {warn "this is not a good idea"}	21:41
perlDreamer	shields up! Red Alert!	22:02
perlDreamer	new prereq's for WG 6.9	22:02
@snapcount	really	22:03
@snapcount	what are they	22:03
perlDreamer	Net::Subnets	22:03
perlDreamer	maybe more	22:03
perlDreamer	Crypt::Blowfish	22:06
perlDreamer	MIME::Entity	22:17
@snapcount	yeah	22:17
@snapcount	err	22:17
@snapcount	yay! rather	22:17
@snapcount	two more bugs identified	22:17
perlDreamer	identified = found or identified = diagnosed?	22:18
@snapcount	found	22:18
@snapcount	support requests are turning out to be our best qa tool	22:18
perlDreamer	did you figure out the Asset problem you were working on earlier?	22:19
@snapcount	yeah	22:19
@snapcount	apparently you can paste a CR/LF into an asset title	22:20
@snapcount	and that breaks the html that is generated in func=manageAssets	22:20
perlDreamer	uh oh	22:20
@snapcount	weird	22:20
perlDreamer	so need to scan the database and remove them?	22:20
@snapcount	also, their are anchor tags that are closed like this: <\/a>	22:20
@snapcount	which is more of a minor thing	22:21
@snapcount	I'm opening trackers for those now	22:21
perlDreamer	how are we doing on EMS?	22:27
@snapcount	I haven't touched it in a week	22:27
perlDreamer	okay	22:27
@snapcount	damn... just got two more login requests	22:27
perlDreamer	just wanted to make sure there isn't a bunch of code to be labeled	22:27
@snapcount	no need to scan the db	22:28
@snapcount	it was just on one client's site	22:28
@snapcount	it's not in wg default code/content	22:29
perlDreamer	what I mean is, maybe we should include a scan of the user's database in the upgrade script to remove characters like this to prevent other users from having the same problem	22:29
@snapcount	that might be a good idea	22:30
@snapcount	you have to be really careful doing stuff like that though	22:30
@snapcount	obliterate someones site... oops =)	22:30
perlDreamer	blooey	22:31
@snapcount	webblooey	22:32
@snapcount	just got a lead on the dataform problem	22:34
perlDreamer	cool!	22:34
perlDreamer	so it's real?	22:34
@snapcount	you have to wait a day before the problem starts occuring	22:34
@snapcount	supposedly	22:34
perlDreamer	no way	22:34
@snapcount	that's what he said	22:34
perlDreamer	one day....	22:35
@snapcount	my guess is when something in runHourly goes	22:35
perlDreamer	anything in the log file	22:35
@snapcount	so not exactly one day	22:35
@snapcount	don't know... easy to test though	22:35
@snapcount	just force runHourly to run everything now	22:35
@snapcount	and see if it breaks the form	22:35
perlDreamer	I'm in the middle of the 6.9 add user bug	22:36
perlDreamer	maybe I'll try it next	22:36
@snapcount	oh I'll do it	22:36
@snapcount	i was just saying	22:36
perlDreamer	ah, okay	22:36
@snapcount	then again, this may be hogwash	22:36
perlDreamer	**suspecting clean hogs	22:36
* perlDreamer suspects clean hogs		22:37
@snapcount	hehe	22:38
perlDreamer	do you know how to do this 6.8-ish code in 6.9? $session{form}{uid} = $u->userId unless ($isSecondary);	22:39
@snapcount	$self->session->form->get("uid") = $self->session->user->get("uid") unless ...	22:41
perlDreamer	->get can be an lvalue?	22:41
perlDreamer	this is an assignment	22:41
@snapcount	oh	22:41
perlDreamer	yeah	22:42
@snapcount	duh	22:42
@snapcount	hehe	22:42
perlDreamer	I'm wondering if this is dead code.	22:42
perlDreamer	I'm going to leave it and go to the next snapcount bug	22:43
perlDreamer	I should give a mini talk on perl quoting constructs at the next WUC	22:46
perlDreamer	this is ridiculous	22:46
@snapcount	the only way I can see to set a form session var	22:47
@snapcount	is to meddle with session->request	22:47
@snapcount	which probably isn't good practice	22:47
perlDreamer	not unless you're writing tests :)	22:47
@snapcount	we should be reading the value from the post into a var somewhere in the beginning	22:48
perlDreamer	I'm guessing that the code is dead. It might have been used at some point, but isn't anymore.	22:48
@snapcount	and then screwing with it	22:48
@snapcount	oh	22:48
@snapcount	imagine that	22:49
@snapcount	sf is down again	22:49
perlDreamer	can't handle the WG bug submission load	22:49
@snapcount	LMAO	22:49
perlDreamer	This is an upaid advertisement:	22:50
perlDreamer	Want to lose a quick 15 pounds, no dieting and no exercise?	22:50
perlDreamer	Head on over to #webgui and wait for a great joke	22:50
perlDreamer	then you can LYAO and fit in those jeans again	22:50
@snapcount	there you go	22:50
perlDreamer	HTML bug fixed	22:52
@snapcount	the changelog for this release is going to be like a mile long	22:53
perlDreamer	about the HTML bug with bad links \/a	22:56
perlDreamer	in javascript strings does slash '/' need to be escaped?	22:56
@snapcount	ummm	22:57
@snapcount	I don't think so	22:58
perlDreamer	I don't think so either.	22:58
perlDreamer	I'll ask Dr AJAX	22:58
@snapcount	maybe in a regex or something	22:58
perlDreamer	Form::Text.pm is used all over the place as a baseclass for other form elements	23:12
perlDreamer	I fixed the newline problem in Text.pm, and quickly scanned all other form elements that use it _and_ have their own getValueFromPost method.	23:15
perlDreamer	should we skip the database scan?	23:15
perlDreamer	I'm thinking we should	23:15
@snapcount	yeah	23:15
@snapcount	we'll keep an eye out for postings about it on the forums	23:16
@snapcount	it's unlikely someone would do it anyway	23:16
perlDreamer	someone is testing 6.9	23:19
@snapcount	what?	23:19
perlDreamer	SF is back up.	23:19
perlDreamer	"wmvanoijen" has posted 4 new 6.9 bugs	23:20
@snapcount	cool	23:20
perlDreamer	there are only like 17 6.8 bugs	23:21
@snapcount	a lot have been closed	23:22
@snapcount	thanks to people like you	23:23
perlDreamer	have you had any luck with the DataForm?	23:24
@snapcount	still doing support	23:25
@snapcount	at this point I don't think I'll get to do any bugfixing until sunday	23:26
@snapcount	but the good news is	23:26
@snapcount	that it's all I'll be doing	23:26
--- Day changed Sat Feb 11 2006
perlDreamer	at least you have something to do	00:01
@snapcount	this is true	00:03
@snapcount	being busy is a good thing	00:03
perlDreamer	I would love to have something to work on for $dayJob	00:03
@snapcount	so do you just sit in the office and work on WG	00:04
perlDreamer	pretty much	00:04
@snapcount	cool	00:04
@snapcount	so you get paid by $dayJob to work on WG	00:04
@snapcount	that's awesome	00:04
perlDreamer	yeah	00:04
perlDreamer	but not good for that feeling of job security	00:04
@snapcount	we should put your employer in the credits	00:04
@snapcount	yeah... that would suck	00:05
perlDreamer	I wouldn't do that	00:05
@snapcount	I was joking	00:06
perlDreamer	okay, hard to tell over IM	00:06
@snapcount	hehe	00:06
@snapcount	I know	00:06
perlDreamer	on the dataform bug, which user gave feedback?	00:38
perlDreamer	was it unable to move fields or disappearing fields?	00:39
@snapcount	disappearing	00:39
perlDreamer	I'll give it a shot	00:39
@snapcount	perlDreamer is a wild man!	00:39
@snapcount	bug killin' crazy	00:40
perlDreamer	bored stiff?	00:40
* snapcount hands perlDreamer an Orkin shirt		00:40
@snapcount	me?	00:40
perlDreamer	me	00:40
@snapcount	oh	00:40
@snapcount	heh	00:40
perlDreamer	no luck with the Hourly script	00:54
@snapcount	that bug is driving me nutz	00:55
@snapcount	you still can't reproduce eh	00:55
perlDreamer	we don't have enough info to debug it	00:55
perlDreamer	no	00:55
@snapcount	all we have are symptoms	00:56
@snapcount	did you try editing the dataform after running all of the runhourly scripts	00:57
perlDreamer	just the fields	00:57
perlDreamer	I'll try the dataform quick	00:57
@snapcount	maybe shove some data in it	00:57
perlDreamer	did that	00:59
perlDreamer	you know, if he's wrong about his version, this sounds like a 6.8.4 Form bug	01:04
@snapcount	no... it's a 6.8.5 site	01:05
@snapcount	I'm sure	01:05
perlDreamer	do you know the URL?	01:07
@snapcount	Originally this was reported as happening after an upgrade	01:10
@snapcount	I just remembered that	01:10
@snapcount	but we tried that didn't we	01:11
perlDreamer	no	01:11
perlDreamer	there was a recent bug involving dataForm field data. I'll track it down	01:12
perlDreamer	do you know which version Aaron upgraded from?	01:15
@snapcount	Well, I've spoken to John about it	01:15
@snapcount	from donorware	01:15
@snapcount	he said it happened after the 6.8.4 -> 6.8.5 upgrade	01:15
perlDreamer	there's nothing in the upgrade script for that upgrade that looks dangerous	01:17
@snapcount	yeah... I know	01:17
@snapcount	I'm wondering if they just didn't notice	01:17
perlDreamer	okay, I need your superior hacking skills for a sec	01:28
perlDreamer	are you busy?	01:29
@snapcount	hello	01:30
perlDreamer	no, it's not what I thought it was	01:31
perlDreamer	I got mislead by useAssetId in setCollateral	01:31
perlDreamer	I thought you had to pass it to it, but it gets generated inside setCollateral	01:31
@snapcount	well, you are supposed to send the assetId in the hash	01:33
@snapcount	even if you use 1	01:33
perlDreamer	no, it gets pulled from $self	01:33
perlDreamer	if useAssetId ne "0"	01:33
@snapcount	I thought the API docs said to set it either way	01:33
@snapcount	I could be mistaken though	01:33
@snapcount	I trust you =)	01:34
perlDreamer	headin' out	03:32
perlDreamer	see y'all later	03:32
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crythia1	A ghost walks into a bar. "Give me a beer!" it wails at the bartender. "Sorry," the bartender said. "You've reached your limit. You're two sheets to the wind."'	04:18
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crythias	I don't suppose there was ever clickable	04:22
crythias	er.. draggable navigation.	04:22
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crythias	http://www.google.com/search?q=brown+and+bubbly	06:14
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perlDreamer	roy: you still up? monster	06:23
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crythias	2RLE4BS	16:15
MrHairgrease	too real for bullshit?	16:15
crythias	early	16:17
MrHairgrease	no here it is	16:18
MrHairgrease	it 15.30 or something where I am	16:18
crythias	heh	16:18
crythias	0918	16:18
MrHairgrease	I'm almost finished with cloathing myself	16:19
MrHairgrease	I took a shower some 3 hours ago or so	16:19
crythias	lazy day, eh?	16:19
MrHairgrease	No man	16:19
MrHairgrease	I'm doing internationalisation for the SQLForm	16:20
MrHairgrease	so that I can finally release it	16:20
crythias	:):)	16:20
MrHairgrease	Writing docs is not my favorite passtime though	16:20
MrHairgrease	actually it sucks	16:20
MrHairgrease	But tonight Len is comming to Delft	16:21
MrHairgrease	so that will probably be fun	16:21
pbmdawg	it's a blizzard here.	16:40
crythias	oh? Balmy 70s here.	16:44
crythias	kidding. 54	16:45
MrHairgrease	Here it's about 5 degrees or something. Very boring gray weather.	16:46
crythias	68.1��F / 20.1��C Clear	16:46
pbmdawg	1 meter visibility.	16:48
pbmdawg	"whiteout" they call it	16:48
crythias	2WYT2DR	16:51
pbmdawg	2WYT2DY	16:56
crythias	WYTRAPR	16:58
crythias	brown and bubbly	17:05
pbmdawg	augh; what was that from	17:07
crythias	Superbowl	17:24
crythias	Pepsi slogan	17:24
pbmdawg	oh yeah	17:40
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pbmdawg	!dubya	01:09
@WRE	"Reading is the basics for all learning."	01:09
pbmdawg	!dubya	01:10
@WRE	"If I'm the president, we're going to have emergency-room care, we're going to have gag orders."	01:10
pbmdawg	!dubya	01:10
@WRE	"Kosovians can move back in."	01:10
pbmdawg	!dubya	01:10
@WRE	"The woman who knew that I had dyslexia--I never interviewed her."	01:10
@snapcount	you still need help?	01:10
pbmdawg	oh yeah	01:10
@snapcount	I was afk	01:10
pbmdawg	i noticed	01:10
pbmdawg	22 hours	01:10
@snapcount	yeah... have to do other things in life	01:11
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pbmdawg	wb	01:28
crythias	howdy	01:28
crythias	6.9 versus 7.0?	01:29
pbmdawg	fight!	01:29
crythias	I think I'm going to say 6.9 is a must.	01:29
crythias	I might not understand everything, but Workflow isn't even a thought yet.	01:30
crythias	well, ok, it's a thought, but unless there is something more concrete on implementation, ...	01:30
crythias	it's a potential API change, which shouldn't be on 7	01:31
crythias	I guess that's a point to be discussed.	01:31
crythias	it'd be nice to say 6.9 is 7.0 RC	01:32
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crythias	the heck?	01:55
crythias	all of a sudden, my screen goes black.	01:55
@snapcount	screen saver?	02:37
@snapcount	power saving	02:38
crythias	had to hit power and fscking new boot.	02:44
@snapcount	that sounds like a windows feature =)	02:44
crythias	likely part of my attempt to get flash to work in firefox.	02:44
crythias	says it's unstable	02:46
crythias	I don't think we should skip 6.9 release.	02:46
crythias	by we, I mean you.	02:46
crythias	:)	02:46
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crythias	hi	03:00
crythias	love these 80's movies.	03:07
crythias	Guy: "I used to be in a band. You know Bruce Springsteen? .... I have lots of his albums."	03:08
crythias	Fry: Make up some emotions and tell her you have them.	03:32
@snapcount	oy	03:33
@snapcount	see you guys tommorow	03:33
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pbmdawg	welcome!	04:16
crythias	thank you	04:16
crythias	hee	04:16
crythias	wow	04:20
crythias	I'm a cartoon network geek.	04:20
crythias	Got started watching this show... Zatch Bell.	04:20
crythias	typical Trading Card Game commercial movie.	04:21
crythias	tv show.	04:21
crythias	cutish, but I wonder the age of who should be watching it.	04:21
crythias	It's all "friends are important at any cost" type stuff.	04:22
pbmdawg	oh	04:23
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@snapcount	pbmdawg: do you know what the problem was with the dataforms?	18:13
@snapcount	I see the bug is closed but nothing in the changelog	18:13
pbmdawg	oh	18:29
pbmdawg	yeah	18:30
pbmdawg	i haven't committed the changelog yet	18:30
pbmdawg	'tis a long story	18:30
pbmdawg	but basically	18:30
pbmdawg	_toNull() in DataForm.pm wasn't converted to use the new tabId behavior when Colin implemented a related fix in 6.8.4	18:30
@snapcount	oh cool	18:31
@snapcount	I'm glad you guys figured that out	18:31
@snapcount	I'm going to work on bugs for a few hours now	18:31
@snapcount	when I'm done we're going to do a release	18:31
@snapcount	we've got quite a few fixes in already	18:32
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pbmdawg	greaser	18:34
MrHairgrease	hey	18:34
@snapcount	hey matt: does the 6.8.6 upgrade work for you	18:34
pbmdawg	don't know yet.	18:34
pbmdawg	colin just created that file	18:34
@snapcount	oh ok...	18:35
pbmdawg	I think...... wait.................	18:35
@snapcount	I think it's a problem in AssetTrash	18:35
@snapcount	not the upgrade script	18:35
pbmdawg	oh	18:35
pbmdawg	did you update?	18:35
@snapcount	10 minutes ago	18:35
pbmdawg	fixing; hold on.	18:36
pbmdawg	'twas my fault from yesterday	18:36
@snapcount	np... thx	18:36
pbmdawg	k; update now	18:38
@snapcount	that did it	18:41
@snapcount	thanks	18:42
MrHairgrease	Question	19:02
@snapcount	ooh boy	19:02
* snapcount raises his hand		19:02
MrHairgrease	When you add posts in the collab system...	19:02
MrHairgrease	you can specify 'text', 'mixed text/html' etc.	19:03
MrHairgrease	But when you set it to text...	19:03
MrHairgrease	the result is a bunch of <p>'s in the final text	19:03
MrHairgrease	that's of course due to the rich editor	19:03
MrHairgrease	is that a bug?	19:03
@snapcount	I think it is	19:04
MrHairgrease	Ok	19:04
MrHairgrease	but what would be the intended fix?	19:04
MrHairgrease	the behaviour i mean	19:04
@snapcount	well, see that's a good point	19:04
@snapcount	how else can you seperate text	19:04
MrHairgrease	convert </p> to <br>?	19:04
@snapcount	I mean, you're displaying in a browser	19:04
@snapcount	yeah	19:04
MrHairgrease	and sitch all other formatting?	19:04
@snapcount	but that's also html	19:05
MrHairgrease	true	19:05
@snapcount	if it should be just text, then technically that means no formatting at all	19:05
@snapcount	which is worthless	19:05
MrHairgrease	so no richeditor	19:05
@snapcount	I think the intent is to strip out all but the most basic formatting	19:05
@snapcount	like paragraphs and br	19:05
@snapcount	i.e., no bold, fonts, etc	19:06
MrHairgrease	Hmm	19:06
@snapcount	I'd ask JT	19:06
MrHairgrease	paragraphs should be converted to <br> s imho	19:06
@snapcount	That makes sense to me	19:06
@snapcount	it makes it even more basic	19:06
MrHairgrease	yeah	19:06
MrHairgrease	you could strip everything and wrap it in pre	19:07
MrHairgrease	but that would suck very much	19:07
@snapcount	lol	19:07
MrHairgrease	fixed font width	19:07
MrHairgrease	no good	19:07
MrHairgrease	I'll email the list	19:07
@snapcount	actually	19:07
@snapcount	I think what that's for is if you're putting text into the editor that has no formatting and you want it displayed in html as it is in the text	19:08
@snapcount	i.e., CR/LF are converted to an HTML equiv	19:08
@snapcount	and 2 CR/LF are changed to paragraphs	19:08
@snapcount	where selecting html means the text you are posting contains html tags	19:08
MrHairgrease	yeah but the problem is that the richeditor wraps everything in paragraphs	19:08
@snapcount	and you want them interpreted	19:08
MrHairgrease	no	19:09
MrHairgrease	I think an enter is a br two enters is <br><br>	19:09
@snapcount	ok... that's fine with me	19:09
@snapcount	I see your point	19:09
pbmdawg	<br /><br />	19:09
MrHairgrease	purist	19:09
@snapcount	heh	19:09
@snapcount	I would ask the list just to make sure	19:10
MrHairgrease	shall I ask on the list to be sure?	19:10
@snapcount	haha	19:10
pbmdawg	i'm not a purist. but whoever is insisting that webgui is xhtml 1.0 strict is.	19:10
@snapcount	They are going to start their own fork of WebGUI called Web-Purey	19:10
@snapcount	ah ha	19:11
@snapcount	found the cause	19:11
@snapcount	now I have to figure out how to fix it	19:11
MrHairgrease	cause for what?	19:11
@snapcount	[ 1429299 ] RTE Collateral Functions Break when Prev Proxy Cache On	19:12
@snapcount	the urls look like this: /page?noCache=388484;84858?op=something	19:12
@snapcount	s/?/;	19:12
MrHairgrease	yeah	19:13
MrHairgrease	I know of the feature	19:13
MrHairgrease	never used it though	19:13
@snapcount	anyway, that's the problem	19:13
MrHairgrease	Just fixed another uploads related bug	19:13
@snapcount	I have to figure out where tinymce makes those urls so I can fix it	19:13
@snapcount	cool	19:13
MrHairgrease	This one was easy though	19:13
@snapcount	a bug is a bug	19:14
@snapcount	and a fixed bug is a good thing =)	19:14
MrHairgrease	Last friday one bug took me about the whole day	19:14
@snapcount	those are fun	19:14
MrHairgrease	quite a diffrent beast	19:14
MrHairgrease	sadist!	19:14
@snapcount	no, just sarcastic	19:14
MrHairgrease	must be the timezone difference	19:15
MrHairgrease	or the earth rays of course	19:15
@snapcount	must be	19:16
@snapcount	WebGUI/www/extras/tinymce2/jscripts/tiny_mce/plugins/pagetree/editor_plugin.js	19:22
@snapcount	matt, can you help me	19:22
@snapcount	I need some js guidance	19:22
@snapcount	line 26 is the problem	19:22
@snapcount	but I don't know the best way to fix it	19:22
@snapcount	template['file'] = "../../../../../.." + getWebguiProperty ("pageURL") + '?op=richEditPageTree';	19:23
@snapcount	we need to use the ? if it's the first property and use a semi-colon otherwise	19:23
MrHairgrease	cant you do a regex on getWebguiProperty ("pageURL")	19:24
@snapcount	yeah	19:24
@snapcount	thanks, I think that will work	19:25
MrHairgrease	someting like if (getWebguiProperty ("pageURL").match(/\?/) { ; } else { ?}	19:25
pbmdawg	back	19:27
@snapcount	how about this	19:27
@snapcount	//Check for proper get delimiter	19:27
@snapcount	var seperator = '';	19:27
@snapcount	if (getWebguiProperty ("pageURL").match(/\?/) { seperator = ';' } else { seperator = '?'}	19:27
@snapcount	template['file'] = "../../../../../.." + getWebguiProperty ("pageURL") + seperator + 'op=richEditPageTree';	19:27
MrHairgrease	does that work?	19:27
@snapcount	I'm trying it now	19:28
@snapcount	I'm a js retard so we'll see	19:28
MrHairgrease	that's a familiar sentiment =)	19:28
@snapcount	sweet	19:31
@snapcount	that did it	19:31
@snapcount	thx for the help	19:31
MrHairgrease	np	19:32
@snapcount	now I have to look through all of these and make sure there aren't others	19:32
MrHairgrease	I'm gonna continue writing hover help for the SQLForm	19:32
* MrHairgrease sighs deeply		19:32
@snapcount	documentation.... fun stuff	19:32
MrHairgrease	gotta love vim	19:33
pbmdawg	growl	20:05
* snapcount throws pbmdawg a slice of Papa Johns		20:05
MrHairgrease	Papa's Johns?	20:06
MrHairgrease	eew	20:06
@snapcount	they have Papa Johns over on your side of the world?	20:07
MrHairgrease	don't think so	20:07
MrHairgrease	what are those?	20:07
@snapcount	did you try it while in the states?	20:07
@snapcount	it's a pizza restaurant	20:07
MrHairgrease	Oh ok.	20:07
MrHairgrease	I'm not really a pizza person anyway	20:07
* snapcount gasps		20:07
MrHairgrease	I hate cheese	20:07
@snapcount	lol	20:08
@snapcount	that's funny	20:08
@snapcount	I don't know why	20:08
MrHairgrease	I rather eat something with garlic	20:08
@snapcount	but that's really funny	20:08
MrHairgrease	and pepper	20:08
MrHairgrease	Chinese, mexican whatever	20:08
MrHairgrease	or just plain dutch food	20:08
@snapcount	that's good stuff also	20:08
MrHairgrease	yeah	20:08
MrHairgrease	i know	20:08
pbmdawg	p.o.s. perl hashes	20:10
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usr-src	hello	20:11
@snapcount	hi there	20:11
pbmdawg	hey usr-src	20:11
MrHairgrease	yo	20:11
usr-src	pretty cool project for such a small group of developers!	20:11
usr-src	and mmm! perl!	20:12
MrHairgrease	thanks	20:12
MrHairgrease	perl = good	20:12
* usr-src nods and smiles		20:12
pbmdawg	what makes you think the group of developers is small	20:13
@snapcount	MrHairgrease: is the upload method a drop in replacement for tmpFileName in MP2?	20:14
MrHairgrease	dunno	20:14
MrHairgrease	never heard of those	20:14
MrHairgrease	I think matt knows	20:14
@snapcount	they are used in HttpProxy	20:14
pbmdawg	roy: what	20:14
pbmdawg	oh	20:14
pbmdawg	oh man.	20:15
usr-src	pbmdawg, well. when you look at the freenode-registry project, the channel is full of people. but they get nothing done	20:15
MrHairgrease	Hmm, I'm writing docs, so the same thing goes for me I guess =)	20:15
@snapcount	most of our developers are anti-social	20:15
usr-src	oh no	20:16
MrHairgrease	Except for the Euro hunks	20:16
* usr-src hides		20:16
pbmdawg	oh. the size of the webgui channel is not related at all to the size of the group of developers	20:16
@snapcount	calc MrHairgrease	20:16
@WRE	MrHairgrease = eurohunk	20:16
MrHairgrease	we actually talk to females	20:16
MrHairgrease	and cuddle them =)	20:16
@snapcount	lol	20:16
usr-src	lol	20:16
pbmdawg	some of us marry them.	20:16
@snapcount	sucker	20:16
usr-src	:-p	20:16
MrHairgrease	you're married, matt?	20:17
pbmdawg	of course	20:17
MrHairgrease	sucker :P	20:17
usr-src	lol	20:17
MrHairgrease	for how long?	20:17
pbmdawg	everyone at plainblack is married except for roy.	20:17
MrHairgrease	Oh really?	20:17
MrHairgrease	when did jt marry then	20:17
pbmdawg	oh, soon.	20:18
@snapcount	he's still in negotiations	20:18
@snapcount	but they are supposed to close soon	20:18
@snapcount	lol	20:18
MrHairgrease	yeah	20:18
MrHairgrease	that's what I heard in vegas	20:18
@snapcount	end of the year	20:18
MrHairgrease	cool	20:18
MrHairgrease	I'll send him a card when the time is there	20:18
@snapcount	I'm really getting sick of apache's meaningless error messages	20:19
pbmdawg	martin: did you check out the performance profiler	20:19
@snapcount	apache: something is wrong	20:19
MrHairgrease	Only a bit	20:19
@snapcount	ooh thanks	20:19
@snapcount	for nothing	20:19
MrHairgrease	haven't seen the table mode yet	20:19
MrHairgrease	write docs first	20:20
pbmdawg	usr-src: care to join us?	20:20
pbmdawg	the todo list is well-defined.	20:20
pbmdawg	if not well-recorded.	20:20
@snapcount	we are hatching a diabolical scheme to infiltrate Papa Johns Pizza and use them as a stepping stone for world domination	20:21
pbmdawg	no seriously.	20:30
MrHairgrease	Is this understandable by mere mortals? http://rafb.net/paste/results/5wDa1k59.html	20:39
@WRE	<MrHairgrease> http://tinyurl.com/avs3f	20:39
@snapcount	I grok it	20:43
MrHairgrease	Well I should be safe then	20:43
MrHairgrease	thanks	20:43
pbmdawg	colin will fix the misspellings :)	20:43
MrHairgrease	yeah	20:43
MrHairgrease	very reassuring	20:43
MrHairgrease	=)	20:43
MrHairgrease	no sarcasm intended btw.	20:44
MrHairgrease	really meant that	20:45
pbmdawg	if it gets included in the core, i mean.	20:45
pbmdawg	which could happen if it meets certain criteria	20:46
MrHairgrease	being?	20:46
pbmdawg	if it's set by default to not modify a webgui site db without lots of rigamarole	20:47
MrHairgrease	I won't let you use the default database link	20:47
pbmdawg	as in... it uses its own or other databases	20:47
pbmdawg	well, you could create another database link that uses the same site db credentials and dsn	20:47
MrHairgrease	so you cannot do things to the WG db unless you create a seperate dblink in which you connect to the webgui db	20:48
pbmdawg	well, I like it	20:48
MrHairgrease	you tried it already?	20:48
pbmdawg	no	20:48
MrHairgrease	It must be very good	20:48
pbmdawg	we'll see if that's enough	20:48
MrHairgrease	If you like it, just by the way it smells	20:48
MrHairgrease	=)	20:49
pbmdawg	no i mean I think that protection is enough.	20:49
MrHairgrease	ok	20:49
pbmdawg	i have a problem you guys	20:49
MrHairgrease	We'll see what happens	20:50
MrHairgrease	problem?	20:50
@snapcount	ed?	20:50
pbmdawg	?op=editCommerceSettings	20:50
MrHairgrease	yeah whats wrong with it	20:50
pbmdawg	$session{setting}{commerceViewShoppingCartTemplateId}	20:50
pbmdawg	is empty	20:50
pbmdawg	except it isn't.	20:50
@snapcount	?	20:51
MrHairgrease	Ah I nknow this one	20:51
MrHairgrease	It's not using the settings api	20:51
MrHairgrease	or it's a typo somewhere	20:51
MrHairgrease	I thought I already fixed that	20:51
MrHairgrease	but apparently not	20:51
pbmdawg	not in 6.8	20:51
MrHairgrease	wait I'll mail you a file that presumably works	20:52
pbmdawg	grrr	20:54
MrHairgrease	check your mail	20:55
pbmdawg	so procolix is fixing bugs for its customers but not in svn?	20:55
MrHairgrease	probably forgot	20:55
MrHairgrease	dunno	20:55
MrHairgrease	I have been very busy the last few months	20:55
MrHairgrease	And I already fixed bugs in 686	20:55
pbmdawg	that doesn't fix it	20:56
MrHairgrease	Ok, then I don't know	20:56
pbmdawg	hu	20:59
pbmdawg	hum	20:59
pbmdawg	in fact	20:59
pbmdawg	$session{setting} is empty	20:59
pbmdawg	wait; scratch that.	20:59
MrHairgrease	well, that might have something to do with it =)	20:59
pbmdawg	setting.commerceViewShoppingCartTemplateId = PBtmplVSC0000000000001	21:00
MrHairgrease	commerceViewShoppingCartTemplateId	21:01
MrHairgrease	whoops	21:01
pbmdawg	oh	21:01
pbmdawg	i see the problem	21:01
pbmdawg	$session{setting}{$_} = $session{form}{$_};	21:02
pbmdawg	needs to be at line 516	21:02
pbmdawg	that fixed it.	21:03
pbmdawg	roy: I can finally see the checkout screen :)	21:04
MrHairgrease	happy shopping!	21:05
@snapcount	woo hoo	21:07
pbmdawg	roy: can you wait until tonight to release 686	21:38
pbmdawg	I have to get this calendar fix done	21:38
@snapcount	I have to be done with the release by 6:00p	21:39
pbmdawg	oh.	21:39
pbmdawg	so what's my deadline.	21:39
@snapcount	I've got other stuff going on tonight that I can't miss	21:39
@snapcount	basically, an hour	21:39
pbmdawg	from now???	21:39
@snapcount	maybe a few minutes more	21:39
@snapcount	yep	21:39
pbmdawg	crap	21:39
@snapcount	if you're close, I'll let you finish it up	21:40
@snapcount	but the release takes about 3 hours to do	21:40
pbmdawg	goodness...	21:40
@snapcount	yeah... long process	21:40
pbmdawg	including upgrading all the servers you mean?	21:40
MrHairgrease	afk	21:40
@snapcount	no... just plainblack, and demo	21:41
@snapcount	I think I fixed the http proxy problem	21:44
@snapcount	but google and wiki and yahoo don't seem to work	21:44
@snapcount	I think they are using trickery	21:44
@snapcount	for example	21:44
@snapcount	their button text is "Google Search"	21:44
@snapcount	the http proxy url encodes that to "Google%20Search"	21:45
@snapcount	however	21:45
@snapcount	if you do a search on google	21:45
@snapcount	it is changed to "Google+Search"	21:45
@snapcount	Where is there a form I can test this on?	21:45
MrHairgrease	do a form post to the same page and look in the debug output	21:52
MrHairgrease	that might do it	21:52
@snapcount	I'm not following you	21:53
@snapcount	I just proxied the CS on my website	21:56
@snapcount	and I can go through the pages	21:56
@snapcount	ok... it accepted a login on slashdot	22:00
@snapcount	i.e., I proxied slashdot from my wg dev site and I could login	22:01
@snapcount	so I guess it's fixed	22:01
pbmdawg	but can you upload files through the proxy? ;)	22:06
@snapcount	How would I test that	22:07
pbmdawg	find a file upload box...?	22:07
@snapcount	If this doesn't fix it someone can submit another bug report...	22:08
@snapcount	I'm over it =)	22:08
@snapcount	It's working best I can tell	22:09
@snapcount	how's your calendar stuff coming matt?	22:22
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@snapcount	do you need any help?	22:23
pbmdawg	grr	22:24
@snapcount	is that a yes?	22:25
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usr-src	sorry for the nick flood	00:04
MrHairgrease	later guys	00:07
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@snapcount	see ya	00:07
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crythias	ooh	04:38
crythias	time to update faq	04:38
pbmdawg	yeah	04:38
pbmdawg	gawww	04:39
pbmdawg	i swear that dataform thing was fixed....	04:41
crythias	oh, no.	04:48
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lonki	hi guys	14:02
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lonki	guys, just a quick question, are security bugs that are found in the 6.xx verions backported/fixed in the latest stable 5.x version?	15:21
MrHairgrease	Is this bug also applicable to other versions than 6.8.5?	15:23
lonki	yes, the one where lists with form data is visible to anyone	15:24
MrHairgrease	Sorry, I'm not following you	15:26
MrHairgrease	I was refering to �- fixed a serious security bug that would allow user account creation using a well crafted url when anonymous registration is set to off. (Thanks to Luke Bartholemy for the patch)	15:26
MrHairgrease	Since which version is that in WG?	15:26
MrHairgrease	Or is it in all of them?	15:26
lonki	hmm, ok, I did mean another bug, but is the one you mentioned fixed in 5.x too?	15:26
MrHairgrease	I dunno	15:27
MrHairgrease	That's why I'm asking	15:27
MrHairgrease	Well	15:27
MrHairgrease	if it is in 5.x it is probably not fixed	15:27
MrHairgrease	but you can of course alway backport	15:27
MrHairgrease	however to be certain you should ask one of the plainblack guys	15:27
lonki	hmm, ok	15:29
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pbmdawg	no, no new releases for anything less than 6.8.6 are being made	15:38
lonki	pbmdawg, thanks for the info, that will help me decide some stuff	15:43
lonki	prolly to move to something completely differen	15:43
pbmdawg	why is that	15:44
lonki	we do not have enough customers running on webgui to affort support	15:44
lonki	and the update scripts suck (sorry)	15:44
lonki	it is just costing us to much	15:45
pbmdawg	do you mean all of the update scripts suck, or particular ones are causing you trouble	15:46
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lonki	pbmdawg, some of them	15:48
lonki	and I am not spending anymore time on it	15:48
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@xdanger	imho. webgui 6.x upgrade scripts do a great job considering the changes in webgui =)	16:17
lonki	not if you have to update from 5.5.4	16:18
MrHairgrease	upgrading can indeed be a pain sometimes	16:20
MrHairgrease	however if you make sure that you've emtied your trash and purged disk cacches, a lot of problems can be avoided	16:21
MrHairgrease	at least	16:21
lonki	we just don't have enough customers to hire support, we might be switching to plone if we can test that a bit more	16:21
MrHairgrease	that is our experience	16:21
lonki	empty trash?	16:21
MrHairgrease	yeah	16:21
MrHairgrease	do that before upgrading	16:22
lonki	which trash?	16:22
pbmdawg	the upgrade from 6.2.11 to 6.3 doesn't handle trash well.	16:22
MrHairgrease	all trash	16:22
lonki	I never got passed 6.0.0	16:22
lonki	with the wre and 6.6.7 that is	16:22
MrHairgrease	hmm	16:23
MrHairgrease	never used the wre	16:23
pbmdawg	lonki - you know you have to upgrade to 6.2.11 first, and then upgrade to 6.3...?	16:24
lonki	pbmdawg, yes I know, but see ^^, I never could go byond 6.0.x	16:25
MrHairgrease	lonki, do you have many custom wobjects?	16:25
lonki	some of them yes, but we used a default site to test it	16:26
MrHairgrease	weird	16:26
pbmdawg	then why did you say 6.6.7	16:26
lonki	pbmdawg, we tried to updat to that version a while ago	16:26
lonki	we did not succeed	16:26
MrHairgrease	can't remember having that much trouble	16:26
MrHairgrease	but it's a long time ago of course.	16:27
MrHairgrease	lonki, have you checked out recent wg versions?	16:27
pbmdawg	when I say you have to upgrade to 6.2.11 first, I mean you have to not have webgui 6.6.7 libraries on there. just 6.2.11.	16:27
MrHairgrease	WG has come a long way since the crude 5.5 era	16:27
lonki	MrHairgrease, nopes	16:27
lonki	every hour I am spending on it will be to much, we need something that can be maintained by almost anyone	16:28
lonki	but thank you all for the help, I might look at webgui when there are new stable versions	16:30
pbmdawg	almost anyone is a pretty broad swath.	16:30
lonki	pbmdawg, the fact is that I might be doing other projects and will not have the time to update,	16:31
lonki	then some other sysop will have to do it	16:31
lonki	some of them even without unix knowledge	16:31
pbmdawg	heh heh. sysops without unix knowledge? is that possible? and you would consider letting them touch your unix machines?	16:32
lonki	:-), not my descision	16:32
lonki	brb	16:33
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nbcccorp	hey, does anyone know what the regex would be to do a mod_rewrite of a url to change it's case to lowercase? so http://site.com/ThisUrl.PDF would become http://site.com/thisurl.pdf	17:00
MrHairgrease	http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum92/5308.htm	17:01
MrHairgrease	or google on mod_rewrite and lowercase	17:02
nbcccorp	thx. I found the lowercase func but it doesn't seem to be working. I was hoping it was just something dumb by me. Will keep trying.	17:04
MrHairgrease	ok	17:04
MrHairgrease	good luck	17:04
nbcccorp	better to be lucky than good.	17:04
MrHairgrease	heh	17:04
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lonki	hmm, RewriteCond ${lowercase:%{HTTP_HOST}\|NONE} ^(.+)$	17:13
lonki	should work yes	17:13
MrHairgrease	nbccorp, are you using wg 6.8.x?	17:14
MrHairgrease	oh he's gone	17:14
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pbmdawg	brb; rebooting.	18:06
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MrHairgrease	question	19:23
MrHairgrease	what's wrong if I get the following message using the wre	19:23
MrHairgrease	[Mon Feb 13 18:21:08 2006] [error] [Mon Feb 13 18:21:08 2006] -e:� Can't call method "www_view" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/ lib/WebGUI.pm line 121.\n	19:24
crythias	space before lib?	19:24
MrHairgrease	that's probably a typo	19:25
MrHairgrease	joeri copy-pasted the message to me	19:25
MrHairgrease	so that i could ask	19:25
crythias	ok. Probably need more info as to what was happening when it occurred, version, etc.	19:26
MrHairgrease	yeah	19:26
MrHairgrease	Joeri's trying out the wre so we'll probably find out the problem	19:27
MrHairgrease	just though I'd ask	19:27
pbmdawg	martin	19:27
MrHairgrease	yes	19:27
pbmdawg	what version of wre; what version of webgui	19:28
MrHairgrease	My guess	19:28
MrHairgrease	is the latest and greatest	19:28
MrHairgrease	Joeri's doing a job interview now	19:28
MrHairgrease	so I can't ask	19:28
MrHairgrease	It looks similar to misconfigured dsn or something	19:29
pbmdawg	hiring your replacement? ;)	19:29
MrHairgrease	probably my new minion	19:32
MrHairgrease	I hope =)	19:32
crythias	PFY :)	19:35
MrHairgrease	GFY?	19:35
MrHairgrease	oops	19:35
crythias	From BOFH	19:35
MrHairgrease	must have been listining to much to deadbolt	19:35
MrHairgrease	I know the BOFH, but I can't recall the PFY	19:36
crythias	Pimply Faced Youth.	19:36
crythias	the minion	19:36
MrHairgrease	but it's probably his evil minion right?	19:36
crythias	yeah	19:36
MrHairgrease	ah	19:36
MrHairgrease	I remember	19:36
crythias	"Hey, I've only got 1MB remaining of my 4MB quota, and I need to load a 3MB file. Fix it now!" "What's your username? click click click OK, you now have 4MB available." "so.. 7MB total?" "no, you have 4MB available." realization sinks in ... "ARRRG!!!"	19:38
crythias	heh	19:39
crythias	ahhh ywah.	19:40
crythias	yeah	19:40
* crythias nods his head. That's about right.		19:40
MrHairgrease	I think you mean clickety clickety click	19:40
crythias	heh	19:40
MrHairgrease	I also no my classics	19:40
MrHairgrease	even though I'm a pretty young eurohunk	19:41
MrHairgrease	no = know btw	19:41
crythias	Can't get over how much paper was used on that line printer during college.	19:41
MrHairgrease	stupid fonetic thinking	19:41
crythias	shunka shunka shunka	19:41
MrHairgrease	I don't wanna know what you're thinking about right noww	19:41
crythias	it's a 10 line PASCAL program, and takes 3 11x17 greenbar pages to print.	19:42
crythias	line printers.	19:42
crythias	glorious dot matrix.	19:42
MrHairgrease	Yeah I know those to	19:42
MrHairgrease	I mean	19:43
MrHairgrease	I no dose two	19:43
crythias	heh.	19:43
MrHairgrease	English is so simple	19:43
MrHairgrease	=)	19:43
crythias	2EZ4YOU	19:43
MrHairgrease	you got it	19:43
MrHairgrease	wait till you read the international messages in the SQLForm	19:44
crythias	hee :) I think we need a License Tag i18n.	19:44
crythias	DELENTRY	19:44
crythias	DELEMALL	19:45
crythias	FLDNAME	19:45
crythias	MKDTAFRM	19:45
crythias	well, 7 chars will be fun.	19:45
crythias	and then we can do haiku i18n.	19:45
crythias	This button you press	19:46
crythias	Will do nothing, however	19:46
crythias	many times you press.	19:46
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pbmdawg	WebGUI Reloaded.	22:45
pbmdawg	Snapcount Reloaded	22:46
pbmdawg	Snapcount Unhinged	22:46
crythias	my word.	22:49
crythias	ignorant people suck.	22:49
crythias	what's worse, they don't know they're ignorant.	22:49
pbmdawg	they don't know what they don't know	22:49
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crythias	I'm not apathetic. I just don't care.	23:30
perlDreamer	those aren't synonyms?	23:30
crythias	yeah	23:31
perlDreamer	what are you apathetic about?	23:31
crythias	nothin'.	23:32
perlDreamer	phew	23:32
perlDreamer	for a second, I thought you were talking about dataform bugs	23:32
crythias	I gotta go. Did you read my humor post?	23:32
perlDreamer	yes	23:32
perlDreamer	I appreciate good haiku	23:33
crythias	well, get busy :)	23:33
crythias	haiku haiku.pm	23:33
perlDreamer	coy.pm	23:33
crythias	I thought it was fun.	23:33
crythias	Delete this Entry. If you want to do something else, this is not it.	23:34
crythias	hee	23:34
crythias	hrm...	23:34
crythias	I've got ideas.	23:35
crythias	ttl84	23:35
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@snapcount	"my milkshake brings all the girls to the yard"	23:35
perlDreamer	quoth snapcount	23:37
perlDreamer	are you supporting today?	23:39
pbmdawg	snapcount is braindead today	23:40
pbmdawg	j/k	23:40
perlDreamer	he did do a release last night	23:40
perlDreamer	without telling anyone so that we could get last second fixes in	23:41
@snapcount	I operate in stealth	23:42
@snapcount	I am unpredictable and coy	23:42
@snapcount	I am snapcount	23:42
* snapcount flales his cloak		23:42
perlDreamer	snapcount cannot spell: flails	23:42
@snapcount	I have assistants that do that for me	23:42
@snapcount	ya know	23:42
@snapcount	spell check and stuff	23:42
perlDreamer	:)	23:43
@snapcount	bad spelers of the world untie	23:43
@snapcount	=)	23:43
@snapcount	we're doing probably 2 more 6.8 releases so no worries	23:43
perlDreamer	okay	23:43
perlDreamer	that poor fellow from pcbc is probably going to bust a blood vessel	23:44
@snapcount	when we have more bugs and/or fixes I'll do another release	23:44
@snapcount	why?	23:44
@snapcount	the dataform guy	23:44
perlDreamer	yeah	23:44
@snapcount	I thought that was fixed	23:44
perlDreamer	I'll try it on demo.	23:44
perlDreamer	either that or he needs a clue bat	23:45
@snapcount	pfft	23:45
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perlDreamer	I just figured out that guy's bug from his board post.	23:51
perlDreamer	it's a PEBKAC	23:51
pbmdawg	?	23:51
@snapcount	cool	23:51
perlDreamer	Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair	23:51
perlDreamer	but we could help him a little	23:51
@snapcount	damn it	23:51
pbmdawg	what guy	23:52
@snapcount	someone broke op=viewCart in head	23:52
perlDreamer	allbygrace	23:52
@snapcount	grrrrr	23:52
perlDreamer	head 6.9?	23:52
@snapcount	yes	23:52
@snapcount	I hate that	23:52
perlDreamer	wasn't broken before?	23:52
@snapcount	no	23:52
@snapcount	</pouting>	23:52
perlDreamer	His problem is that he selected the Email Form template to be used to display the DataForm to the user.	23:53
perlDreamer	It would be nice if we could prevent the user from shooting themselves in the foot with that one.	23:54
@snapcount	IMO that's a bug	23:54
pbmdawg	those templates need separate namespaces	23:54
@snapcount	If a template doesn't work for that functionality why is it in that namespace?	23:55
@snapcount	exactly	23:55
perlDreamer	that's going to be hard to do.	23:55
perlDreamer	there's no way to distinguish between any user submitted ones, is there?	23:55
@snapcount	what do you mean?	23:55
perlDreamer	it's trivial to create new namespaces	23:55
perlDreamer	it's impossible to go and reassign all existing templates into those namespaces	23:56
perlDreamer	we can do the WG default ones because we know their names/purposes	23:56
pbmdawg	there's got to be some identifying portion of the email template	23:56
perlDreamer	maybe	23:56
perlDreamer	snapcount, there is forward merged %session stuff in www_editCommerceSettings	23:57
pbmdawg	oops; ha; that's my fault	23:57
pbmdawg	yet again	23:57
@snapcount	honestly though, worst case they copy their existing template, delete it, make a new one and paste it	23:57
pbmdawg	no wonder they told me to stop working on that	23:57
perlDreamer	I've been doing that too.	23:57
perlDreamer	snapcount: yes	23:57
perlDreamer	should we do it?	23:58
@snapcount	I dunno	23:58
@snapcount	it kinda sux	23:58
perlDreamer	p.s. I'll fix the session stuff real quick	23:58
pbmdawg	thanks	23:58
@snapcount	we should ask the list about that one	23:58
pbmdawg	actually just remove that line	23:58
perlDreamer	pbmdawg: why?	23:58
pbmdawg	nm	23:58
* pbmdawg slaps himself		23:58
perlDreamer	get Joella to do it	23:59
@snapcount	yeah	23:59
* pbmdawg gets slapped by Cody		23:59
@snapcount	then you could be on COPS maybe	23:59
pbmdawg	only sailors use condoms, baby	23:59
@snapcount	did I miss something?	23:59
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@snapcount	nm	00:00
pbmdawg	austin powers.	00:00
@snapcount	ahh	00:00
perlDreamer	Commerce code committed.	00:00
perlDreamer	snapcount, let us know if that fixed it	00:00
@snapcount	gracias amigo	00:00
perlDreamer	de nada	00:00
perlDreamer	Cual quier para mis amigos	00:00
@snapcount	Which do you like for your friends?	00:01
* snapcount got a C+ in Spanish II		00:01
perlDreamer	I was trying to translate the German "etwas", which is anything, but I think I goofed	00:01
* pbmdawg was getting a D in Spanish II before he realized he didn't need it (or Spanish I!) to graduate.		00:02
@snapcount	I should've argued Perl as a language credit	00:02
perlDreamer	Etwas fur mein freunden	00:02
@snapcount	that fixed it	00:03
@snapcount	thx	00:03
perlDreamer	perl -wc reveals a world of bugs	00:03
@snapcount	whoa	00:08
@snapcount	don't you love it when you forget that you already did something you thought you still have to do	00:09
perlDreamer	yes	00:13
@snapcount	umm	00:15
@snapcount	does debug not work in 6.9	00:16
perlDreamer	no se	00:16
perlDreamer	Weis nicht	00:16
perlDreamer	don't know	00:16
@snapcount	I see	00:16
perlDreamer	uh, duh, hrm	00:16
@snapcount	begin debug1	00:16
@snapcount	I just had an apiphany	00:19
@snapcount	I'm sure colin will correct my spelling	00:19
@snapcount	but	00:19
perlDreamer	epiphany	00:19
@snapcount	I'm wondering if the EMS shouldn't use a lineage system	00:20
@snapcount	it may simplify a lot of things	00:20
@snapcount	but I don't want to overcomplicate it	00:20
@snapcount	it would mean re-designing it though	00:20
@snapcount	damn	00:21
@snapcount	the code will be scarier but it will make things like identifying prereqs, etc easier	00:21
@snapcount	and faster	00:21
@snapcount	screw it	00:22
@snapcount	I'll stick with what I've got; make it work; then make it better	00:22
perlDreamer	good idea	00:22
@snapcount	3600 == 1 hour epoch right?	00:26
pbmdawg	yah	00:26
@snapcount	colin what is the correct way to set a default value for a radio list	00:32
@snapcount	defaultValue => "key"	00:33
pbmdawg	value	00:33
@snapcount	oh	00:33
pbmdawg	err	00:33
pbmdawg	defaultValue	00:33
pbmdawg	one of those	00:33
pbmdawg	:)	00:33
@snapcount	huh?	00:34
pbmdawg	either value or defaultValue	00:34
@snapcount	yeah, but what is it matching	00:34
@snapcount	defaultValue => "value"	00:34
@snapcount	defaultValue => [key]	00:34
@snapcount	etc	00:34
pbmdawg	defaultValue => [[[[{{{{[{{[{[{'key'}]}]}}]}}}}]]]]	00:35
@snapcount	thank god it'	00:35
@snapcount	s something simple	00:35
@snapcount	I've determined this task to be impossible	00:39
pbmdawg	what, getting an answer out of me?	00:41
@snapcount	that too	00:41
@snapcount	the code says it's just expecting a string	00:42
@snapcount	value => "match_the_key"	00:42
@snapcount	but that no workie	00:42
perlDreamer	radio list via Form.pm or via Form::RadioList?	00:42
@snapcount	I created an HTMLForm object $f and create it like this $f->radioList	00:43
@snapcount	using value => "key"	00:44
perlDreamer	value => 'key'	00:44
perlDreamer	should work fine	00:44
perlDreamer	not working fine?	00:44
@snapcount	here is my code	00:44
@snapcount	forgive the paste, I'm lazy	00:44
@snapcount	$f->radioList(	00:44
@snapcount	-name => "requirement",	00:44
@snapcount	-options => { "and" => $i18n->get("and"),	00:44
@snapcount	"or" => $i18n->get("or"),	00:44
@snapcount	},	00:44
@snapcount	-value => "and",	00:44
@snapcount	-label => $i18n->get("add/edit event operator"),	00:44
@snapcount	-hoverHelp => $i18n->get("add/edit event operator description"),	00:44
@snapcount	);	00:44
perlDreamer	and it's not preselecting 'and'	00:44
@snapcount	no	00:45
@snapcount	I don't see anything in the logs either	00:45
@snapcount	I must be doing something wrong	00:45
perlDreamer	I don't see anything wrong	00:47
perlDreamer	stick a ErrorHandler statement or two inside the RadioList sub and have it print out your value and each key in the hash	00:48
perlDreamer	6.9?	00:49
perlDreamer	I reran one of the form tests for the Radio List, and it seems to be working.	00:54
@snapcount	hmm	00:58
@snapcount	foreach my $key (keys %options) {	01:00
@snapcount	my $checked = 0;	01:00
@snapcount	if ($self->get('value') eq $key) {	01:00
@snapcount	$checked = 1;	01:00
@snapcount	}	01:00
@snapcount	is value, the value defined in the radio list	01:00
perlDreamer	yes	01:00
@snapcount	so the key has to match the value in the radio list definition or this won't work	01:01
perlDreamer	yes	01:01
@snapcount	ok... right now it's like this	01:02
@snapcount	"and" => "And"	01:02
@snapcount	in my radioList def	01:02
@snapcount	"and" ne "And"	01:03
@snapcount	oh wait	01:03
perlDreamer	hold on a sec, I misspoke	01:03
@snapcount	when you say value, you mean the value posted	01:04
perlDreamer	RadioList value has to match option key	01:04
perlDreamer	right	01:04
@snapcount	not the value displayed	01:04
perlDreamer	right	01:04
@snapcount	ok	01:04
perlDreamer	but that doesn't help you	01:04
perlDreamer	because it's what you're already doing	01:04
@snapcount	yeah	01:04
@snapcount	just double checking	01:04
@snapcount	Is the radiolist used anywhere else in WG	01:04
perlDreamer	All over	01:05
perlDreamer	DataForm	01:05
perlDreamer	you can also run t/Form/ListEquiv.t and look uncomment the debug output to look at individual form code	01:05
perlDreamer	that's what I did	01:05
perlDreamer	her	01:08
perlDreamer	here	01:08
perlDreamer	in this one I changed the case between keys and values	01:08
perlDreamer	# RadioList, simple equivalency	01:08
perlDreamer	# direct<input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="a" />A	01:08
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="b" checked="checked" />B	01:08
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="c" />C	01:08
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="d" />D	01:08
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="e" />E	01:08
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="f" />F	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="g" />G	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="h" />H	01:09
perlDreamer	# dynamic<input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="a" />a	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="b" checked="checked" />b	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="c" />c	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="d" />d	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="e" />e	01:09
@snapcount	got it	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="f" />f	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="g" />g	01:09
perlDreamer	# <input type="radio" name="myRadioList" value="h" />h	01:09
@snapcount	I found the problem	01:09
perlDreamer	what was it?	01:09
@snapcount	$f->radioList(	01:09
@snapcount	-name => "requirement",	01:09
@snapcount	-options => { 0 => $i18n->get("and"),	01:09
@snapcount	1 => $i18n->get("or"),	01:09
@snapcount	},	01:09
@snapcount	-value => 0,	01:09
@snapcount	-label => $i18n->get("add/edit event operator"),	01:09
@snapcount	-hoverHelp => $i18n->get("add/edit event operator description"),	01:09
@snapcount	);	01:09
@snapcount	that works	01:09
perlDreamer	but words don't?	01:09
@snapcount	doesn't appear so	01:10
@snapcount	I didn't test it very well	01:10
@snapcount	but the above code doesn't work	01:10
@snapcount	way above	01:10
perlDreamer	yeah	01:10
pbmdawg	if ($self->get('value') eq $key) {	01:13
pbmdawg	if ($self->get('value') eq $key \|\| $self->get('value') == $key) {	01:13
@snapcount	yeah but if that were the problem my problem shouldn't have been a problem	01:13
@snapcount	'text' eq 'text' should work	01:14
@snapcount	which is what I was doing at first	01:14
* snapcount scratches nogin		01:14
@snapcount	I'll submit a bug report for it	01:15
@snapcount	we'll figure it out	01:15
perlDreamer	this works	01:21
perlDreamer	#----------