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| -!- xdanger [i=xdanger@i.should.be.in.a.mentalhouse.net] has joined #webgui | 17:52 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 3 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] | 17:52 |
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| lonki | k, talk to you later guys, I'm going home | 17:54 |
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| -!- lonki is now known as lonki_home | 17:54 |
| @bwvoidfv | hello xdanger | 17:54 |
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| @bwvoidfv | i'm matthew wilson (from the wg-dev list) | 17:55 |
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| xdanger | hi, i'm Jukka Raimovaara... long time reader of wg-dev... | 17:56 |
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| @bwvoidfv | what's your relation to webgui? | 17:57 |
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| @bwvoidfv | (other than being on the dev list) :) | 17:57 |
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| xdanger | I was kinda hoping for a irc-channel for webgui, because just some times someone might want to just chat about wg | 17:57 |
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| xdanger | I've been using it from 6.0 | 17:57 |
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| xdanger | maintaining a couple of sites.. | 17:58 |
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| @bwvoidfv | yeah. there were several others on it yesterday (Crythias and Colin, also from the dev list) | 17:58 |
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| @bwvoidfv | they'll be on later. | 17:59 |
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| xdanger | ok | 17:59 |
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| @bwvoidfv | what timezone/country are you in | 17:59 |
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| xdanger | just have to say that I really like wg | 17:59 |
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| xdanger | finland | 17:59 |
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| @bwvoidfv | i like it too. most of the time. :) | 17:59 |
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| xdanger | yeah =) | 18:00 |
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| @bwvoidfv | is web hosting your primary job | 18:00 |
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| xdanger | I was just wonderin the reason for the removal of If macro... I use it on every my sites.. | 18:00 |
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| @bwvoidfv | merely to reduce plainblack support costs. The If macro is too flexible/capable to be secure/reliable (supportable). | 18:01 |
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| @bwvoidfv | so now it's been demoted to a 'contribution' :) | 18:02 |
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| xdanger | well My two companies are in a middle of reorganization... my old company is going to shutdown and I'm transfering my "stuff" to the new company that we put up last year.. | 18:02 |
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| @bwvoidfv | ah. | 18:03 |
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| xdanger | mainly we are a hosting/websolutions company, but we do webpages and graphics.. | 18:03 |
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| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@64.200.2.35] has joined #webgui | 18:04 |
| @bwvoidfv | welcome crythias. | 18:04 |
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| crythias | hello | 18:04 |
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| @bwvoidfv | xdanger: do you use the WRE | 18:04 |
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| xdanger | bwvoidfv: nope, we have our own "hoster" based on debian/ldap/postgresql | 18:05 |
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| xdanger | mainly the reason I don't like the WRE is that I trust the debian security team to keep our software up to date.. | 18:06 |
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| @bwvoidfv | ah. | 18:06 |
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| @bwvoidfv | do you use mod_perl? what version of webgui? | 18:06 |
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| xdanger | currently 6.7.7 | 18:06 |
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| xdanger | and yes mod_perl since 6.0 | 18:07 |
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| @bwvoidfv | mod_perl 1 or 2 ? :) | 18:07 |
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| xdanger | I've been using perl apps quite long time, so that was my biggest criterion | 18:07 |
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| xdanger | 2 | 18:08 |
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| @bwvoidfv | oh. i'm glad you're in the community. | 18:08 |
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| xdanger | almost all our software is from debian sarge, so I'm not quite happy about 6.8 requiring mysql 5 and mod_perl2 2.0.x (? debian has 1.999-something..) | 18:09 |
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| @bwvoidfv | it doesn't actually required 5; just 4.1. | 18:10 |
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| xdanger | I know =) | 18:10 |
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| @bwvoidfv | but yeah, mod_perl2.0.2 and latest libapreq2 are required | 18:11 |
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| xdanger | but I belive that 4.1 subquerys are a bit kind of hack =) | 18:11 |
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| @bwvoidfv | i introduced the first subqueries into the core codebase.... | 18:11 |
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| @bwvoidfv | they were necessary to solve data integrety issues b/c of the way certain things were designed with the versioning system. | 18:11 |
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| @bwvoidfv | in other words, things in 6.7 might return bad data sometimes. | 18:12 |
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| @bwvoidfv | on rare occasions. | 18:12 |
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| xdanger | I think I'm going to sit on 6.7 until 6.9 or maybe 7.0... but that dependences on our customers.. | 18:12 |
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| @bwvoidfv | I would highly recommend that. | 18:12 |
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| xdanger | I know, I reported the issue with collaboration reporting random revision based order =) | 18:13 |
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| @bwvoidfv | ah. on the support boards or on sourceforge? | 18:13 |
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| xdanger | I've backported your changes to collaboration system to 6.7 ;) | 18:14 |
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| @bwvoidfv | oh, good. :) | 18:14 |
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| xdanger | I have a modified collaboration system in use that allows different kinda listings... | 18:14 |
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| xdanger | http://luovapaja.fi/taitajat | 18:15 |
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| xdanger | you can browse by the first letter or category on the right.. | 18:15 |
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| @bwvoidfv | that's pretty speedy. | 18:15 |
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| @bwvoidfv | too bad I don't read whatever this language is. | 18:16 |
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| xdanger | finnish =) | 18:16 |
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| @bwvoidfv | nice css. | 18:17 |
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| xdanger | it's a local portal for ... creative people =) | 18:17 |
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| xdanger | our graphics guy does all the css/html also =) | 18:19 |
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| xdanger | his site: http://rook.fi/about.php | 18:19 |
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| @bwvoidfv | webgui 7.0 is going to have an entirely different look/feel for both the administration templates and the default templates. | 18:19 |
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| xdanger | and does some little cms-kind-of-hacks in php.. | 18:20 |
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| xdanger | so I understood... | 18:20 |
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| xdanger | but I like the current admin templates =) | 18:20 |
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| @bwvoidfv | would you submit a screenshot/description of luovapaja.fi to http://www.plainblack.com/webgui/campaigns/sightings | 18:20 |
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| xdanger | well there's allways room for improvment =) | 18:20 |
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| xdanger | argh, my english is a bit rusty... | 18:22 |
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| @bwvoidfv | i'll edit it | 18:23 |
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| xdanger | I'm not concerned about that, just my speedy chat english =) | 18:23 |
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| @bwvoidfv | oh | 18:24 |
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| xdanger | I've also been thinking that we could be w3-finland, since we have done a bit of traslation and have some knowledge about wg =) | 18:25 |
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| xdanger | have had a mail to jt/plainblack on my todo list for a long time but never got around to it.. | 18:25 |
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| @bwvoidfv | speaking of which... | 18:26 |
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| @bwvoidfv | looks like ^W3 macro is broken. | 18:26 |
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| @bwvoidfv | at http://www.plainblack.com/w3 | 18:26 |
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| crythias | darn W3 macro. | 18:26 |
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| crythias | heh :) somebody didn't read the gotcha :) | 18:26 |
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| @bwvoidfv | lol | 18:27 |
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| xdanger | =D | 18:27 |
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| @bwvoidfv | you can fill out the form http://www.plainblack.com/w3/application | 18:27 |
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| xdanger | mayby someday in the near future.. | 18:28 |
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| crythias | BADREDR | 18:29 |
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| @bwvoidfv | xdanger: (yesterday crythias and I were playing the "who can type the funniest license plate" game) | 18:29 |
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| crythias | I win, of course. | 18:30 |
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| @bwvoidfv | SAYSWHO | 18:30 |
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| crythias | ISAIDSO | 18:30 |
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| crythias | THATS Y | 18:30 |
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| @bwvoidfv | do you have custom vehicle plates in finland? | 18:31 |
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| xdanger | some sites that are unfinnished: http://tnnet.axxion.fi/ http://dp.axxion.fi/ (that one's layout and structure has been messed up by the customer =)) | 18:31 |
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| xdanger | yes, but in the form on xxx-111 | 18:31 |
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| crythias | It's in Finland. They're all finnish'd :) | 18:31 |
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| xdanger | eh :) | 18:31 |
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| @bwvoidfv | unfinished | 18:31 |
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| @bwvoidfv | ha | 18:32 |
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| @bwvoidfv | those are very pretty. | 18:32 |
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| xdanger | damn irssi doesn't have a spellchecker =) | 18:32 |
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| @bwvoidfv | please put them on sightings? | 18:32 |
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| @bwvoidfv | or i'll order crythias to. | 18:32 |
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| xdanger | and the "forever" (in the spirit of duke nukem forever) site project, our own: http://beta.axxion.fi/ | 18:33 |
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| xdanger | our "mascot" axi: http://beta.axxion.fi/axi | 18:33 |
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| crythias | UORDRHU ? | 18:33 |
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| @bwvoidfv | LSTNHERE | 18:34 |
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| @bwvoidfv | UJOKE | 18:34 |
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| xdanger | xxx-1 was owned by a local pornstar ;) | 18:34 |
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| crythias | DNT MK ME | 18:34 |
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| @bwvoidfv | MKMYDAY | 18:34 |
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| crythias | MNY SPNT | 18:35 |
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| @bwvoidfv | 1DOL WHR | 18:35 |
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| crythias | Who's lonki_home? | 18:35 |
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| @bwvoidfv | Hans Wolters | 18:35 |
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| crythias | Hiya, Hans! | 18:36 |
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| @bwvoidfv | he left it on for the evening (he went home) | 18:36 |
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| @bwvoidfv | hence _home | 18:36 |
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| crythias | oh. | 18:36 |
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| crythias | Hiya, xdanger. I'm Gerald. | 18:36 |
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| xdanger | hi =) | 18:37 |
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| xdanger | I'll but those sites up on sightings when they are published for everyone to see =) | 18:38 |
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| @bwvoidfv | ok; yay. | 18:38 |
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| crythias | hi | 18:41 |
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| lenthamen | howdy | 18:41 |
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| @bwvoidfv | welcome Len | 18:42 |
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| xdanger | hi | 18:42 |
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| lenthamen | Crythias have you seen my mail on apache process growth on FreeBSD ? | 18:42 |
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| crythias | yes | 18:43 |
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| crythias | I don't run so hard as you... | 18:43 |
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| crythias | probably not worth a sighup as much as a timed shutdown restart. | 18:43 |
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| @bwvoidfv | This was a well-known issue with mod_perl 1.x built using DSO. I never | 18:44 |
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| @bwvoidfv | use graceful restart because of this. I thought 2.x got rid of this | 18:44 |
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| @bwvoidfv | issue though. You could try making a static build and see if that fixes | 18:44 |
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| @bwvoidfv | it. | 18:44 |
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| @bwvoidfv | | 18:44 |
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| @bwvoidfv | - Perrin | 18:44 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat051.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 18:44 |
| @bwvoidfv | welcome Colin | 18:44 |
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| perlDreamer | Hey, Matt! | 18:44 |
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| xdanger | just begining to fell like "I'm not worthy" 'cous I'm the only one who isn't a wg-developer here =) | 18:44 |
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| perlDreamer | so how about a quick round of introductions so we can connect a screen name to an email address? | 18:45 |
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| perlDreamer | y'all probably know me better as ckuskie@sterling.net, or colink | 18:46 |
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| * bwvoidfv is Matthew Wilson, of Plainblack-dom. | 18:46 |
| * bwvoidfv is a.k.a. matthew@veradox.com | 18:46 |
| xdanger | Just a user/admin from finland, only posted once on wg-dev, jukka.raimovaara@dlvisions.fi, but migrating to use @axxion.fi because business reorganization. | 18:49 |
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| xdanger | that should ve user/admin/fan =P | 18:50 |
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| @bwvoidfv | lonki_home is offline (_home) | 18:50 |
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| crythias | I'm Gerald. Ifoundthisemailonwebgui@gwy.org | 18:54 |
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| lenthamen | I'm Len. len@primaat.com from The Netherlands. | 18:54 |
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| * crythias is tired of answering support calls. | 18:55 |
| crythias | sorry. Been a bit under the weather. | 18:56 |
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| perlDreamer | not since that last storm... | 18:57 |
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| lenthamen | bwvoidfv: Building a static apache2 is not the solution for mod_perl leaking perl imho | 18:59 |
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| @bwvoidfv | oh | 19:01 |
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| lenthamen | xdanger what kind of site are you running ? | 19:02 |
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| xdanger | lenthamen: http://luovapaja.fi/ and unfinished: http://tnnet.axxion.fi/ http://dp.axxion.fi/ http://beta.axxion.fi/ and I've also helped with http://elker.fi/ | 19:05 |
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| lenthamen | What a weird language that is :) Nice sites though. | 19:07 |
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| xdanger | lenthamen: we (Axxion Oy) are a webhosting/websolution provider, and what I brought with me to that company was webgui ;) | 19:08 |
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| xdanger | finnish =) | 19:08 |
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| crythias | wow. And I thought Japanese was bad with respect to more syllables=more polite :) | 19:10 |
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| crythias | Are they mostly compound words in Finnish? | 19:10 |
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| lenthamen | I think Finish is one of the rare European languages that has no connections to other languages. | 19:11 |
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| xdanger | I'ts a slavic language =) | 19:11 |
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| lenthamen | Yeah, it's like hungarian. | 19:12 |
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| xdanger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_language | 19:12 |
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| xdanger | for all your questions ;) | 19:13 |
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| lenthamen | I'm going home guys. My workday is finished :) ttyl ! | 19:13 |
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| crythias | l8rness | 19:13 |
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| xdanger | I am home... | 19:14 |
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| @bwvoidfv | I am home and at work. | 19:14 |
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| xdanger | it's 19:14 here.. | 19:14 |
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| lenthamen | here 18:14 | 19:14 |
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| @bwvoidfv | here 11:14 | 19:15 |
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| crythias | 12.17 | 19:15 |
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| xdanger | and i also work from home (since we don't have an office at the moment =)) | 19:15 |
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| lenthamen | Are you in helsinki xdanger ? | 19:16 |
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| xdanger | finland, the land of linux and irc =) | 19:16 |
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| xdanger | lenthamen: no, in Jyväskylä.. Jyvaskyla if you don't include tha scandic letters | 19:16 |
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| xdanger | It's a town in center finland... about 85 000 people here.. | 19:18 |
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| lenthamen | never heard of :) I'm 30 min. from Amsterdam. | 19:18 |
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| xdanger | this is something like 3h from helsinki... | 19:18 |
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| xdanger | if's -1.3°C, and snowing outside... beatifull... | 19:19 |
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| xdanger | last week it was -20 =) | 19:20 |
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| lenthamen | I know it can be cold out there ! They offer Snow Scooter Safaris to Finland here :) | 19:21 |
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| crythias | darn peer pressure | 19:33 |
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| crythias | Heya | 19:33 |
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| rizen | howdy | 19:33 |
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| rizen | who is bwvoidfv | 19:34 |
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| @bwvoidfv | me | 19:34 |
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| crythias | Matthew | 19:34 |
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| rizen | wow, everyone uses such strange names | 19:34 |
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| rizen | that i'm not familiar with | 19:34 |
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| rizen | except for gerald | 19:34 |
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| rizen | =) | 19:34 |
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| crythias | heh | 19:34 |
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| -!- crythias is now known as doanbehayten | 19:35 |
| @bwvoidfv | where did perlDreamer go | 19:35 |
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| doanbehayten | dropped | 19:35 |
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| -!- doanbehayten is now known as crythias | 19:35 |
| -!- bwvoidfv is now known as makinMoneyForThe | 19:36 |
| @makinMoneyForThe | oops | 19:36 |
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| -!- makinMoneyForThe is now known as pbMoneyPrinter | 19:36 |
| crythias | heh | 19:36 |
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| crythias | so, matt, you fix that nasty bug I sent ya? | 19:37 |
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| @pbMoneyPrinter | uh; which one | 19:37 |
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| crythias | the one that turns all images to nasty wmfs | 19:37 |
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| @pbMoneyPrinter | yeah, i had to remove that back door that's been in webgui since 6.1.1 | 19:38 |
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| @pbMoneyPrinter | j/k | 19:39 |
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| crythias | I heard that there is a built-in backdoor JTH4X | 19:39 |
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| -!- pbMoneyPrinter is now known as hallMonitor | 19:41 |
| * crythias has a pass | 19:43 |
| * hallMonitor revokes crythias' pass. | 19:51 |
| * crythias leaves a trail of yellow back to his classroom. | 19:51 |
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| rizen | gerald | 19:54 |
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| crythias | yes | 19:54 |
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| rizen | what's your email address? | 19:54 |
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| crythias | me@gwy.org | 19:54 |
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| crythias | btw: JT, apologies. | 19:55 |
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| rizen | i'm bestowing upon you a great honor | 19:55 |
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| rizen | and i hope you'll accept | 19:56 |
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| -!- macOnki [n=hanswolt@lonki.xs4all.nl] has joined #webgui | 19:56 |
| macOnki | hi | 19:56 |
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| rizen | We're starting a new Spread WebGUI campaign today | 19:56 |
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| @hallMonitor | hello macOnki | 19:56 |
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| rizen | it's called the People Behind WebGUI | 19:56 |
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| -!- hallMonitor is now known as mdawg | 19:56 |
| crythias | OK. | 19:56 |
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| rizen | it's basically just an interview with people who contribute a lot to the webgui world | 19:56 |
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| rizen | You are among the first to be interviewed | 19:57 |
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| rizen | The other two to start out the process with you are Len and Colin | 19:57 |
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| crythias | Sure. Thanks. I'll do right by yeh. | 19:57 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=ckuskie@nat050.mxim.com] has joined #webgui | 19:57 |
| rizen | You should now have the email with the list of questions. | 19:57 |
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| macOnki | for those of you who do not know me, I'm Hans Wolters :-) | 19:57 |
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| rizen | Hi Hans | 19:57 |
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| macOnki | hi rizen | 19:57 |
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| rizen | /whois | 19:57 |
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| rizen | hmmm | 19:57 |
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| macOnki | I know | 19:57 |
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| perlDreamer | rizen: matt mentioned that you wanted to talk to me? | 19:58 |
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| @mdawg | oh... lonki is your work login | 19:58 |
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| @mdawg | perlDreamer=Colin | 19:58 |
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| macOnki | mdawg, yes | 19:58 |
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| rizen | Yes Colin | 19:58 |
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| rizen | I'm going to tell you what I just told Gerald | 19:59 |
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| rizen | but first, what's your email address? | 19:59 |
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| perlDreamer | ckuskie@sterling.net | 19:59 |
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| rizen | ah yes | 19:59 |
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| rizen | that's right | 19:59 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by mdawg | 19:59 |
| @mdawg | be back in a bit. | 19:59 |
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| rizen | We're starting a new Spread WebGUI Campaign today | 19:59 |
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| rizen | It's called the "People Behind WebGUI" | 20:00 |
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| rizen | It's basically an interview with people that make the webgui community work | 20:00 |
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| rizen | the first three that have been selected for interview are You, Gerald, and Len | 20:00 |
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| rizen | I've just emmailed you the questions | 20:00 |
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| rizen | for the interview | 20:00 |
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| rizen | I hope that you'll accept this interview | 20:00 |
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| rizen | and agree to be in the listing | 20:01 |
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| rizen | The idea behind this is to give WebGUI a human element | 20:01 |
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| rizen | Right now, people really don't know much about us | 20:01 |
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| rizen | the people that make WebGUI live | 20:01 |
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| rizen | I think that should change | 20:01 |
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| rizen | So that's where this idea comes in. | 20:02 |
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| perlDreamer | Did you know that WebGUI was in the first issue of Open Source Enterprise magazine? | 20:02 |
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| perlDreamer | (I think that was the name) | 20:02 |
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| rizen | no i didn't | 20:02 |
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| rizen | Did you do that? | 20:02 |
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| perlDreamer | No. | 20:02 |
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| rizen | Anyway, once per month from here on out we're going to send out this list of questions to people in the community who we think should be in the spotlight | 20:03 |
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| rizen | But initially, we're going to put up 3 so there's some good starting content | 20:03 |
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| -!- mdawg is now known as mdawg_atLunch | 20:03 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by crythias | 20:03 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o perlDreamer] by crythias | 20:04 |
| -!- crythias changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI CMS ... and more | www.plainblack.com | 20:04 |
| @perlDreamer | okay, I gotta ask. What is "mode +o"? | 20:04 |
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| @perlDreamer | I accept the invite to the interview. When would you like answers back? | 20:04 |
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| @rizen | the sooner the better | 20:05 |
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| @crythias | mode +o is operator of channel | 20:06 |
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| @crythias | it allows control of moderation, addition of other ops, and ability to /kick users | 20:07 |
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| -!- mdawg_atLunch is now known as mdawg | 20:55 |
| @mdawg | hello room | 20:57 |
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| macOnki | hi | 20:57 |
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| @crythias | hi | 21:00 |
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| @crythias | wow. | 21:04 |
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| @mdawg | ? | 21:04 |
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| macOnki | if you say wow now already then wait until this channel has 400 visitors daily :-) | 21:05 |
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| @crythias | I didn't know the government obscured planting explosives in the WTC and ignored a coordinated effort to simultaneously explode plus crash planes into them. | 21:05 |
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| @crythias | the things you learn in comments on digg. | 21:06 |
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| macOnki | well, it's not my government :-) | 21:06 |
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| @mdawg | nor mine. | 21:07 |
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| @mdawg | regardless of how hard it tries to be. | 21:07 |
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| @perlDreamer | you may not like it, but it's still your government | 21:07 |
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| @crythias | yeah. | 21:08 |
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| -!- crythias was kicked from #webgui by mdawg [for straying off topic] | 21:08 |
| macOnki | could you all clear me on how webgui validates user input b.t.w? | 21:08 |
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| @perlDreamer | like where? | 21:08 |
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| @perlDreamer | in an asset? | 21:08 |
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| macOnki | well, in the forms for example | 21:08 |
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| crythias | you're funny | 21:08 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by mdawg | 21:08 |
| @perlDreamer | some form types validate input based on type | 21:08 |
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| @perlDreamer | like dates, integers, etc. | 21:09 |
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| macOnki | I know, I submitted the XSS bug | 21:09 |
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| @perlDreamer | most however, just take what they're given and hand it back to whomever embedded the form | 21:09 |
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| @perlDreamer | like an asset. | 21:09 |
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| @perlDreamer | It has to be done that way, because the form element itself has no idea what it's input would be used for. | 21:09 |
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| macOnki | but there only seems to be no internal validation on the type, only client side checking with javascript, I hope I am wrong | 21:10 |
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| @perlDreamer | Again, it depends on what's using the form element | 21:10 |
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| @perlDreamer | A forum post isn't validated, but when it is displayed it may be washed through one of the filters for removing macros, or javascript, or more (or less) | 21:11 |
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| macOnki | hmmm, yuk | 21:11 |
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| @mdawg | why yuk | 21:11 |
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| macOnki | when the admin wants an integer value it should be checked before you store it in a database imho | 21:12 |
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| macOnki | it could even be typecasted probably | 21:12 |
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| @perlDreamer | In each form in lib/WebGUI/Form/*.pm, look for a subroutine called getValueFromPost | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | if there's any form based validation, it would be done in there. | 21:13 |
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| macOnki | hmm, ok | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | Here's the one from Form/Integer.pm, for example: | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | sub getValueFromPost { | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | my $self = shift; | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | my $value = $session{req}->param($self->{name}); | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | if ($value =~ /^[\d\-]+$/) { | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | return $value; | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | } | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | return 0; | 21:13 |
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| @perlDreamer | } | 21:13 |
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| @mdawg | onki: are you talking about the DataForm wobject? or writing custom assets? or user profile fields? | 21:14 |
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| macOnki | currently it is possible to enter js into both the text and the url field | 21:14 |
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| @perlDreamer | You could try writing a bunch of tests to see what you can shove into the Forms, but that would require mocking up Apache::Request objects. | 21:14 |
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| macOnki | mdawg, yes | 21:14 |
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| @mdawg | which one | 21:14 |
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| macOnki | the default form generator, and the default contact form | 21:14 |
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| macOnki | see the bug entry and the mailing list today | 21:15 |
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| macOnki | or yesterday for you maybe | 21:15 |
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| @mdawg | okay, so DataForm. | 21:16 |
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| @mdawg | not user profile fields or custom assets. | 21:16 |
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| macOnki | no | 21:16 |
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| macOnki | indeed the DataForm | 21:16 |
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| @mdawg | perlDreamer - he's not talking about the api, just an existing core wobject. | 21:17 |
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| @perlDreamer | I know. | 21:17 |
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| @perlDreamer | maybe the best thing to do would be to build an option into the base text form element so that you could pass it a filter. | 21:18 |
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| @mdawg | what onki is suggesting, then, is filtering dataform submissions for javascript, which isn't currently done. | 21:18 |
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| macOnki | perlDreamer, that would be a good idea | 21:18 |
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| @perlDreamer | but what he's talking about isn't limited to the DataForm, it applies to anywhere a Text like form element is used and not checked. | 21:18 |
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| macOnki | eeks | 21:18 |
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| @perlDreamer | that's right | 21:19 |
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| @perlDreamer | anywhere | 21:19 |
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| @mdawg | but imo those should be handled on a case-by-case basis, leaving the api as is | 21:19 |
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| macOnki | that will give some serious problems in the future | 21:19 |
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| @mdawg | well, every form control should have a filter callback coderef then...? | 21:20 |
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| @perlDreamer | Some of them already filter in their getValueFromPost subroutines. | 21:20 |
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| @perlDreamer | it's just that general purpose things, like Text, don't | 21:20 |
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| macOnki | b.t.w. I already mailed JT about a more serious bug, it is possible to missuse the noCache param in the GET values to look at the saved data as a visitor (data shown by the list all entries), even if normally only the admin can see it | 21:21 |
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| macOnki | Together with the XSS bugs it would be possible to send someone the noCache param en give them reading access to that data | 21:22 |
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| @mdawg | ah. that's b/c someone forgot to put security checking in DataForm's view() method. | 21:23 |
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| @perlDreamer | you'd have to set up filtering on a per field basis then. | 21:23 |
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| macOnki | might be, havn't looked at how the code handles that | 21:23 |
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| @perlDreamer | and migrate all existing DataForms via an update script. | 21:24 |
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| macOnki | brb | 21:24 |
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| macOnki | re | 21:28 |
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| @perlDreamer | so I've been doing some thinking about where else the XSS might pop up | 21:38 |
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| @perlDreamer | there are all assets | 21:38 |
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| @perlDreamer | File, Image, Event | 21:39 |
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| macOnki | I will do some additional testing tonight | 21:39 |
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| macOnki | or tomorrow | 21:41 |
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| @perlDreamer | you're in Finland? | 21:41 |
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| macOnki | no, the Netherlands | 21:41 |
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| @mdawg | xdanger is in finland. | 21:42 |
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| @perlDreamer | similar time zone. It's almost tomorrow for y'all anyway :) | 21:42 |
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| macOnki | :-) | 21:42 |
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| @crythias | still getting more hits for my pcanywhere dynamic IP stuff than my free norton antivirus getter. | 21:42 |
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| @mdawg | crythias: oddness. | 21:42 |
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| @mdawg | crythias: stay on topic. ;) | 21:42 |
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| @crythias | oh, yeah. | 21:42 |
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| @mdawg | or change the topic listed. :-D | 21:43 |
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| @crythias | this is my and more. | 21:43 |
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| @mdawg | oh, right. | 21:43 |
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| @mdawg | gotcha. | 21:43 |
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| @crythias | WGNODOX | 21:44 |
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| @mdawg | hey :p | 21:44 |
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| @crythias | PA4SPRT | 21:44 |
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| @mdawg | WGTSTLSS | 21:45 |
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| macOnki | so, you are all working on webgui fulltime? :-) | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | no, goofing off fulltime. | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | :p | 21:45 |
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| macOnki | hehe | 21:45 |
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| @crythias | hardly working. | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | barely working. | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | colin: merely working | 21:45 |
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| @crythias | MODPRL2 | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | jt: just working | 21:45 |
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| @mdawg | xdanger: you still there? | 21:46 |
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| @crythias | I'm not so much a programmer of WebGUI as one who tries to provide free support. | 21:46 |
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| @crythias | MDAWG | 21:46 |
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| @crythias | PRLDRMR | 21:47 |
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| @mdawg | WREWG | 21:47 |
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| macOnki | WTF ? | 21:47 |
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| @mdawg | funny custom license plate/tag contest. | 21:47 |
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| @crythias | webgui runtime envirunment webgui? | 21:47 |
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| -!- mike_s [n=mike@s205-206-123-62.ab.hsia.telus.net] has joined #webgui | 21:47 |
| @mdawg | welcome mike. | 21:47 |
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| @crythias | RUGUI? | 21:47 |
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| @perlDreamer | GOT GUI? | 21:48 |
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| mike_s | thx mdawg -- thought i'd come see the hub bub... ;) | 21:48 |
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| @crythias | 2GUI2^C | 21:48 |
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| @mdawg | mike: we're a little offtopic currently (funny custom license plate/tag contest). | 21:48 |
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| mike_s | anybody drag JT onto here yet? | 21:48 |
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| @crythias | he's been | 21:48 |
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| @mdawg | yeah for a minute. | 21:48 |
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| @perlDreamer | he was here earlier | 21:48 |
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| @crythias | then we bother him with all sorts of nonsense about his involvement in perl conspiracies and... | 21:49 |
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| -!- crythias was kicked from #webgui by crythias [stop rambling] | 21:49 |
| mike_s | lol -- ya -- he is really tolerant about that kind of thing... | 21:49 |
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| @perlDreamer | macOnki: daytime, I'm a chip designer. nightTime I'm a WebGUI documenter/tester/hacker | 21:49 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by mdawg | 21:50 |
| macOnki | ah, sounds nice | 21:50 |
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| @mdawg | between day and night, he is a husband/father/webmaster. | 21:50 |
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| @perlDreamer | tuba player | 21:50 |
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| @crythias | my wife plays flute and I play YuGiOh... | 21:51 |
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| macOnki | *g* | 21:51 |
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| @mdawg | my wife plays french horn & piano. i play nylonstring guitar. | 21:51 |
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| @crythias | not exactly something that should be said in the same sentence. I suppose... | 21:51 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o macOnki] by mdawg | 21:52 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o mike_s] by mdawg | 21:52 |
| @macOnki | dirty minds all think the same | 21:52 |
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| @perlDreamer | Suit her up and ship her out west. We could use a good french horn player in orchestra. | 21:52 |
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| @macOnki | ow guys, do me a favor, do not op me, been one for 5 years at #php | 21:52 |
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| @mike_s | so have any of you tried out the dashboard yet? | 21:52 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o macOnki] by mdawg | 21:52 |
| macOnki | thanks | 21:52 |
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| macOnki | give that to the webgui hackers :-) | 21:53 |
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| @mdawg | i'm afraid i'm the chump who wrote the thing (dashboard). | 21:53 |
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| @mike_s | hey !!! love it man | 21:53 |
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| @mike_s | very nice job mdawg | 21:53 |
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| @mdawg | gee thanks; i appreciate the appreciation. | 21:54 |
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| macOnki | mdawg, what inspired you? macosx? | 21:54 |
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| @crythias | Slacker can't fix real bugs. | 21:54 |
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| @mike_s | when i last chatted with JT sounded like not taht many people *getting* it yet | 21:54 |
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| @perlDreamer | not many using 6.8 yet | 21:54 |
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| @mdawg | the specs inspired me. Steve (plainblack's designer) admits to being influenced by macosx's titlebars/buttons. | 21:54 |
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| @mdawg | he did the colors/buttons. | 21:55 |
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| macOnki | ah, ok | 21:55 |
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| @mdawg | crythias: "Slacker can't fix real bugs."? | 21:55 |
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| @mdawg | LAYDOWN | 21:56 |
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| @perlDreamer | it's much more fun to make them than fix them | 21:56 |
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| @mdawg | I doubt anyone's actually seen the dashboard in action (besides you, mike), and the handful of people who have access to plainblack.com/clients | 21:57 |
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| @mike_s | it's working pretty well in my tests | 21:57 |
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| @mike_s | still working out the auto-refresh | 21:57 |
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| @mdawg | by handful, I mean, compared to the scores of people who visit the rest of plainblack.com | 21:57 |
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| @mike_s | and getting some fatal errors with Cahrt Director edits - but not sure how to tell if that is due to CHartDirector or to dashboard | 21:58 |
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| @mdawg | i've never used chart director. | 21:58 |
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| @mike_s | y - 3rd party wobject that we paid PB to updte for 6.7|8 | 21:59 |
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| @mike_s | but very nice in the dashboard context with autorefreshing graphs | 21:59 |
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| @crythias | DOWNBOY | 21:59 |
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| @mdawg | that's neat. i'd like to see it sometime | 21:59 |
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| @crythias | ChartDirector is nice | 22:00 |
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| @mike_s | here ya go - i just made it visible to everyone for the moment... http://dev4.dwvpn.net/mydashboard | 22:01 |
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| @perlDreamer | headin' out to lunch. catch you guys later | 22:02 |
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| -!- perlDreamer is now known as perlDreamer_lunc | 22:02 |
| @mdawg | cool; that's fast. | 22:03 |
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| @mdawg | the refresh I mean. | 22:03 |
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| @mdawg | can't even tell it's occurring unless i watch the http headers. | 22:03 |
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| @mike_s | anyhow - good framework that should mature over next while... | 22:04 |
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| @mdawg | yeah | 22:04 |
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| @mdawg | did JT mention to the the extensibility/plugin potential? | 22:05 |
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| @mdawg | to you | 22:05 |
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| @mike_s | no.... :) care to tell me? | 22:05 |
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| @mdawg | New Dashlet containers (similar to Shortcut's functionality) can be created to hold/import any of the existing dashlet frameworks out there (Microsoft's gadgets, google's homepage dashlets, apple's desktop objects, yahoo's homepage dashlets). | 22:06 |
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| @mdawg | there are tens of thousands of those dashlet thingies out there for the various frameworks. | 22:06 |
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| @mdawg | Apple's being the best and most extensive. | 22:07 |
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| @mike_s | very cool -- would be very attractive to those wanting to create consolidated dashboards | 22:07 |
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| @mike_s | could even see someone creating a mydashboard.com kind of site... | 22:07 |
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| * mdawg scurries off to check if mydashboard.com is taken | 22:08 |
| @mike_s | lol - me too | 22:08 |
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| @mike_s | gone | 22:09 |
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| @mike_s | although superdashboard.com would work.... | 22:09 |
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| @mike_s | just pay me a commission if you do it... ;) | 22:09 |
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| @crythias | D4SHB04RD.COM is available | 22:13 |
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| @crythias | of course nobody would be able to type it. | 22:13 |
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| @mdawg | mike - i watched the paper napkin ads | 22:14 |
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| @mdawg | some time ago | 22:14 |
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| @crythias | dashboardlive.com | 22:14 |
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| -!- rizen [n=rizen@c-67-184-239-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 22:15 |
| @crythias | hello | 22:15 |
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| rizen | holy crap balls and stuff | 22:15 |
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| rizen | there's a lot of people on here | 22:15 |
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| @crythias | most are sleeping. | 22:15 |
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| macOnki | not true :-) | 22:15 |
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| @crythias | I can actually get h3110.com | 22:15 |
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| -!- mdawg is now known as FranksWGSlave | 22:16 |
| @mike_s | guess i can't mock jt anymore... | 22:16 |
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| @crythias | heh | 22:16 |
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| rizen | as it should be matt | 22:16 |
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| @crythias | this is all Colin's fault. | 22:16 |
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| rizen | why can't you mock me anymore? | 22:16 |
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| rizen | i'm totally mockable | 22:16 |
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| @mike_s | mdawg - what did you think of the napkins? | 22:16 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | well done. very professional. | 22:17 |
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| @mike_s | it was fun to do -- and it is pretty much what i would do sitting down with someone anyhow - | 22:17 |
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| @mike_s | jt -- i like the pluggable dashlet idea... very cool | 22:17 |
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| rizen | why are we talking about napkins? | 22:17 |
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| rizen | which pluggable dashlet idea? | 22:18 |
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| -!- crythias changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI CMS ... and more | www.plainblack.com | napkin friendly! | 22:18 |
| rizen | the one where we use other people's dashlets? | 22:18 |
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| @mike_s | yes! | 22:18 |
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| rizen | matt and i each came up with it independently...so it must be a good idea | 22:19 |
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| @mike_s | u do that and we're al lgonna go setup a dahsboard consolidation site and make a gazillion dollars | 22:19 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | now *that* was not my idea. | 22:19 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | the dashboard consolidation site. | 22:19 |
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| rizen | mike, what makes you think that i would allow you to do that | 22:20 |
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| rizen | did you read the fine print of WebGUI's license? | 22:20 |
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| @mike_s | lol - cuz you'd get a cut? | 22:20 |
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| rizen | yup | 22:20 |
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| rizen | it's actually the GBL not the GPL | 22:20 |
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| rizen | and it says that 50% of all money that exchanges hands related to or directly through webgui | 22:20 |
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| rizen | shall be put directly into jt's back pocket | 22:21 |
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| @mike_s | what a deal! | 22:21 |
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| * crythias starts polishing forks. | 22:21 |
| rizen | =) | 22:21 |
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| * FranksWGSlave puts the nose to the grindstone | 22:21 |
| * macOnki logs into the server, sudo rm -rf /data (there, that will save the company a lot :-) | 22:21 |
| @crythias | hrm... server runs much faster.. and doubled its capacity! | 22:22 |
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| @mike_s | and no more of that non-standard /data stuff... ;) | 22:22 |
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| @crythias | hee | 22:22 |
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| macOnki | hehe | 22:22 |
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| rizen | that's right mike | 22:22 |
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| rizen | because you love your | 22:23 |
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| rizen | /usr/local/web/webgui directory | 22:23 |
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| @crythias | oh. wait. what's this? don't rm across filesystems? | 22:23 |
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| rizen | and your sites called | 22:23 |
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| rizen | somerandomname | 22:23 |
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| @mike_s | lol -- just a little sensitive?? | 22:23 |
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| rizen | with a config file called sm_rand-name43 | 22:23 |
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| rizen | =) | 22:23 |
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| rizen | no, just saying you've got no room to talk when it comes to "non-standard" | 22:23 |
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| @mike_s | ya - well we outsourced all that to you now -- enjoy rejecting our reality and substituting your own... | 22:24 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | WIFEBTR | 22:24 |
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| rizen | indeed | 22:24 |
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| rizen | so who created this channel? | 22:24 |
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| rizen | was it matt? | 22:24 |
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| rizen | and what is it here for? | 22:24 |
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| * FranksWGSlave looks around | 22:25 |
| rizen | what are we accomplishing? | 22:25 |
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| @mike_s | bonding without the beer so far... | 22:25 |
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| rizen | i c | 22:25 |
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| @crythias | I created the channel | 22:25 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | well, very late last night crythias and I were having a funny license plate contest | 22:25 |
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| @crythias | but it was Colin's idea | 22:26 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | hence random msgs like 'WIFEBTR' | 22:26 |
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| @crythias | WTHSTPD | 22:27 |
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| rizen | besides each of you being members of the webgui community | 22:27 |
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| rizen | what does this have to do with webgui? | 22:27 |
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| @mike_s | i learned about hte dashboard plugin idea.... :) | 22:27 |
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| rizen | ok.....but | 22:27 |
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| rizen | i guess what i'm trying to figure out is | 22:27 |
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| rizen | is this a permanent thing | 22:28 |
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| rizen | and what's it's function | 22:28 |
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| @crythias | it's cool for at least a few of us developer types to collaborate | 22:28 |
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| rizen | entertainment? | 22:28 |
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| rizen | support? | 22:28 |
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| rizen | dev discussion? | 22:28 |
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| rizen | ok | 22:28 |
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| rizen | so it's a "whatever comes up" | 22:28 |
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| rizen | kind of place | 22:28 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | isIn($entertainment,@okayThings)?1:0 | 22:29 |
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| rizen | /help | 22:29 |
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| rizen | hmmm...this irc client doesn't seem to support commands | 22:29 |
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| @crythias | didn't think that was irc client's fault | 22:30 |
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| macOnki | rizen, what client are you using? | 22:30 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | Fire | 22:30 |
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| rizen | yeah, i'm using fire | 22:30 |
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| rizen | it's actually an im client | 22:30 |
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| rizen | with irc built in | 22:30 |
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| rizen | i didn't expect it to be fully functional | 22:31 |
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| macOnki | try xchat aqua if you are on osx | 22:31 |
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| @crythias | I'm using gaim. | 22:31 |
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| rizen | but i figured that commands should work | 22:31 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by crythias | 22:31 |
| @rizen | whoa | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | now that i've been granted op status | 22:33 |
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| @rizen | i get right click options on people | 22:33 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o mike_s] by rizen | 22:33 |
| mike_s | lol | 22:34 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o macOnki] by rizen | 22:34 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v mike_s] by rizen | 22:34 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+v macOnki] by rizen | 22:34 |
| @FranksWGSlave | macOnki doesn't want to be op | 22:34 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o macOnki] by rizen | 22:34 |
| +macOnki | thanks | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | what is "Voice" | 22:34 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | i dunno | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | mike_s has been voiced | 22:34 |
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| @crythias | think it means can speak in moderated channel | 22:34 |
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| @rizen | it's been a thousand years since i've used irc | 22:34 |
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| +macOnki | crythias, it is | 22:35 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-v macOnki] by rizen | 22:35 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-v mike_s] by rizen | 22:35 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o mike_s] by rizen | 22:35 |
| * FranksWGSlave scurries off to write an ajax irc client wobject in his spare time | 22:35 |
| @crythias | You work for plainblack.com. You don't have spare time. | 22:35 |
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| * FranksWGSlave loves issuing vaporware announcements | 22:35 |
| macOnki | b.t.w. did Len already visit this channel? we seem to live in the same city | 22:36 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | yes for an hour or two earlier today. | 22:36 |
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| macOnki | hmm, must have missed that | 22:37 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | HALFEYE | 22:38 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+m] by crythias | 22:38 |
| @crythias | oops | 22:38 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-m] by crythias | 22:38 |
| @crythias | what's with the napkins? | 22:39 |
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| -!- crythias changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI CMS ... and more | www.plainblack.com | 22:40 |
| @FranksWGSlave | http://www.donorware.com/coffee | 22:40 |
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| @mike_s | it was just a way for us to educate folks on what we do... | 22:40 |
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| @crythias | it's fast | 22:41 |
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| @crythias | think i want some cherry cobbler, now | 22:42 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | -cobbler | 22:42 |
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| * crythias smacks FranksWGSlave. Sicko. | 22:43 |
| @FranksWGSlave | oh wait. | 22:43 |
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| * FranksWGSlave 's face turns red | 22:43 |
| @crythias | I've heard of DonorWare .. I think. | 22:45 |
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| @rizen | mike, that's brilliant | 22:45 |
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| @mike_s | just a flash object in webgui | 22:45 |
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| @mike_s | some little powerpoint to flash converter | 22:45 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | rizen: hence the napkin references earlier. | 22:45 |
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| @mike_s | easy to update and maintain | 22:46 |
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| @mike_s | we've also started using wimpy player for embedding audio greetings on pages | 22:46 |
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| @rizen | that's not the brilliant part | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | the technology part of this is almost irrelavant | 22:47 |
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| @mike_s | lol - what part do you like? | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | the presentation (the napkins idea) | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | and the really dumbed down presentation | 22:47 |
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| @mike_s | i agree - we wanted to communicate to non-techies in a way they would feel comfortable with | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | giving real world examples | 22:47 |
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| @rizen | it's very well written | 22:48 |
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| @mike_s | took about 10 days to put it all together | 22:48 |
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| @rizen | brilliant | 22:49 |
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| @rizen | when 7.0 comes out i'll have to get my peeps to put together something similar | 22:49 |
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| @rizen | or perhaps i'll have to do it myself | 22:49 |
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| @crythias | OK. JT: why are dataforms not altering real tables? | 22:49 |
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| @mike_s | yep - something that targets mid-level managers | 22:49 |
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| -!- crythias was kicked from #webgui by FranksWGSlave [for speaking blasphemy] | 22:49 |
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| crythias | ?? | 22:50 |
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| @rizen | matt...why did you kick him | 22:50 |
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| @FranksWGSlave | just playin'. | 22:50 |
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| crythias | I did finally pay for support... :) | 22:51 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by FranksWGSlave | 22:51 |
| @crythias | did I miss the answer? | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | am i missing something? | 22:51 |
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| @rizen | what does paying for support have to do with this question? | 22:52 |
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| macOnki | you see, this is why I didn't want ops :-) newbies always start kicking people :-) | 22:52 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o FranksWGSlave] by rizen | 22:52 |
| @rizen | regardless | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | the answer is this: | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | allowing users to arbitrarily modify database tables | 22:52 |
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| @rizen | is DANGEROUS | 22:52 |
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| macOnki | unless it are heap tables; | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | that's why the tables are simulated for the dataform | 22:53 |
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| @crythias | well, how much more dangerous than killing a field? | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | what i want to do is eventually replace the dataform | 22:53 |
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| @rizen | i could care less what users do with their data in the dataform | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | yeah, they can delete fields or whatever | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | that's not why it's dangerous | 22:54 |
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| @crythias | but if you create a table for a dataform, let that be the same deal. | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | what's dangerous is allowing users to go around creating tables in the webgui database | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | deleting tables in the webgui database | 22:54 |
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| @rizen | or modifying tables in the webgui database | 22:54 |
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| @crythias | but they wouldn't have any more rome than you'd give them. | 22:54 |
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| @crythias | rome:roam | 22:55 |
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| @crythias | New dataform: new table | 22:55 |
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| @mike_s | crythias -- are you needing more regular looking tables for reporting? would views in MySQL 5 address the need? | 22:55 |
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| macOnki | what would be a good idea is to use levels with access granted, visitors only need select, insert, update | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | not exactly true | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | but regardless | 22:55 |
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| macOnki | users could have more rights | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | in the old days | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | i was trying to make webgui database agnostic | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | and as such | 22:55 |
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| @rizen | create/drop/alter syntax is different from database to database | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | so that was another reason | 22:56 |
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| @crythias | that I understand. | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | it doesn't much matter anymore though | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | because dataform is dead | 22:56 |
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| @crythias | but queries on dataforms stink. | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | no new features will be added to it until it is replaced | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | dataform will be replaced with a new asset that will allow you to create actual databases | 22:56 |
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| @rizen | it will work like ms access | 22:57 |
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| @crythias | dbs or just tables? | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | it will allow you to add multiple tables | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | structure the workflow of the application | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | design user interfaces | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | and reports | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | etc | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | databases | 22:57 |
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| @rizen | not tables | 22:57 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o FranksWGSlave] by crythias | 22:57 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o FranksWGSlave] by rizen | 22:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o crythias] by rizen | 22:58 |
| @rizen | you should have never promoted me | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | i've now taken control of your channel | 22:58 |
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| macOnki | rizen, that will not allow us to host more then one customer on a single machine, if you grant users the rights to create databases then you might as well give them the database root privs | 22:58 |
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| @rizen | not true | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | they can't create databases | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | ok i stated that wrong to begin with | 22:59 |
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| macOnki | ok, | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | they can create a database asset | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | on the back end | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | i don't know how it will work | 22:59 |
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| @rizen | there are 3 options currently | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | a) a database must be pre-created for them by an admin | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | b) a prefix will be used like db_userdb_usertable | 23:00 |
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| @rizen | which will create "virtual" databases | 23:01 |
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| @rizen | c) users that have the appropriate admin rights will be able to create physical databases | 23:01 |
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| @rizen | the database asset will be then bound to one of those backends | 23:01 |
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| @rizen | so from the user's point of view | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | they have their own database to work from | 23:02 |
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| macOnki | well, looking at it as the security guy c is not an option I think | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | maybe, maybe not | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | i'm not ruling anything out yet | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | that's the advantage i get during design phase | 23:02 |
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| @rizen | all options are legal | 23:02 |
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| macOnki | hi lenthamen b.t.w., hans from piramide here | 23:03 |
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| @rizen | we let the real world work it's way in after we've had the opportunity to consider everything | 23:03 |
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| xdanger | you could use something like sqlite, and place the database in uploads =) | 23:04 |
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| lenthamen | hello all. | 23:04 |
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| xdanger | yes, and hi from me too =) | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | excellent | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | soo now there are 4 options | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | =) | 23:04 |
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| @rizen | i hadn't considered that, but it's an excellent idea | 23:05 |
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| xdanger | that would allow versioning the data base ;) | 23:05 |
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| @mike_s | how's sqllite on an nfs mount for clustered environments? | 23:05 |
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| @rizen | just so everyone knows...this is a 7.x+++ discussion | 23:06 |
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| @rizen | no work will begin on this until much much later | 23:06 |
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| @rizen | that is, unless we get some big company to come along and pay for it's development | 23:06 |
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| FranksWGSlave | (unless 6.9, 7.0 are extremely well funded asap) | 23:06 |
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| @rizen | and there are a few companies who have already expressed interest | 23:07 |
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| @rizen | I think i really like the idea of SQL::Lite for this | 23:07 |
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| @rizen | i mean SQLLite | 23:07 |
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| FranksWGSlave | can you do queries joining the various database handlers | 23:08 |
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| @rizen | not that i'm ruling out anything, just moving one to the top | 23:08 |
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| FranksWGSlave | webgui db and a sqllite db | 23:08 |
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| xdanger | rizen: we also have a lot of intrest in crm & the dbasset you just described... | 23:08 |
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| xdanger | but we just don't have very much extra money =) | 23:09 |
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| FranksWGSlave | .... or would you copy the sqllite db's into mysql heap db's for such queries | 23:10 |
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| FranksWGSlave | .... or not allow such queries | 23:10 |
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| @mike_s | you'd need such queries -- just joins on username alone would be important i would think | 23:11 |
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| @rizen | i disagree | 23:11 |
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| @mike_s | so just do several queries and join in memory? | 23:12 |
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| @rizen | there's really no good info in the users table except username | 23:12 |
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| @rizen | you may need to get info from the user's profile, but we can provide scripting methods to get to that data if necessary | 23:12 |
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| @rizen | this is not meant to become an api to get into webgui's internals | 23:12 |
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| macOnki | b.t.w. did someone already start writing views, triggers, etc..? | 23:12 |
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| FranksWGSlave | rizen: ah. | 23:13 |
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| @rizen | but rather a mechanism for end users to create scalable web apps instead of locking their company into unscalable ms access apps | 23:13 |
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| @mike_s | i was asking re views for queries | 23:13 |
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| macOnki | havn't tested it yest on mysql 5, triggers do work though | 23:13 |
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| @mike_s | personally i like the idea of keeping the data in the webgui db via meta-data - whterh that is field by field or some other technique | 23:14 |
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| @mike_s | i'd have concerns about the scalability of SQL::Lite in uplods | 23:14 |
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| @mike_s | and use views to make the data more accessible for queries | 23:15 |
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| * mike_s gets off my soap box | 23:15 |
| @rizen | views don't help performance | 23:15 |
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| @rizen | part of the big deal with the dataform is that it doesn't scale | 23:16 |
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| @mike_s | no but - but views to dedicated mysql server vs multiple webgui nodes hitting sqllite on an nfs share... | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | oh | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | right | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | i'm not arguing that | 23:16 |
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| macOnki | what has been the reason to use strings as the primary key for tables? | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | it would need to be tested | 23:16 |
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| @rizen | strings? | 23:17 |
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| FranksWGSlave | macOnki: they're binary varchar | 23:17 |
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| @rizen | are you talking about guids? | 23:17 |
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| macOnki | and the reason was? | 23:17 |
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| @rizen | macOnki, are you talkinga bout the GUIDs? | 23:17 |
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| @rizen | global unique ids? | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | userId varchar(22) binary | 23:18 |
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| macOnki | rizen, the primary keys on the mysql tables | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | ok | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | they are GUIDs | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | they are strings because making them strings actually makes them unique across multiple servers | 23:18 |
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| @rizen | you can't do that with plain old integers | 23:18 |
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| * mike_s is still looking forward to guids coming to play in exportable/syndicated packages | 23:19 |
| @rizen | the advantage is that you can share content between multiple sites | 23:19 |
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| macOnki | rizen, hmm, what if you would use unsigned integers? | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | without having guids conflict | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | it's not about having a number of them | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | it's about having them not conflict | 23:19 |
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| macOnki | ok | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | encased int that 22 character string | 23:19 |
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| crythias | I like signing my content in the UID | 23:19 |
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| @rizen | is the date and time it was created | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | the sitename it was created on | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | and a random 9 digit integer | 23:20 |
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| macOnki | ok, that clears a lot for me | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | that keeps it unique | 23:20 |
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| macOnki | although I know it will be much faster if you would use integers | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | it would be faster | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | we used to use integers | 23:20 |
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| @rizen | but we've switched | 23:21 |
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| macOnki | but given the above I understand | 23:21 |
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| @rizen | becauuse the power available to us is better | 23:21 |
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| macOnki | using increased cache and buffer size makes it a lot faster too | 23:21 |
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| macOnki | for mysql I mean | 23:22 |
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| lenthamen | I dont think mysql is the bottleneck for webgui :) | 23:22 |
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| macOnki | lenthamen, well, if you have the site you know we have it is :-) | 23:22 |
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| macOnki | dropping tables and recreating them doesn't do it any good | 23:23 |
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| macOnki | which is b.t.w. a problem, users who do not have enough knowledge of sql should not be allowed to use sql reports :( | 23:25 |
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| FranksWGSlave | varchar(22) binary (712 bits) is a MUCH larger space than an unsigned double float integer field could support (64 bits) (equivalent to BIT(64)). | 23:28 |
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| @mike_s | but doesn't that make a wel controlled meta-data implementation all the more importatant? | 23:28 |
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| macOnki | mike_s, imho it needs privs given within the database yes, I mentioned it before | 23:29 |
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| FranksWGSlave | oops nix float (floats aren't integers!) in my last msg. | 23:29 |
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| xdanger | just thought that sqlite_db could be cachet with filecache-kind-of consept for reads, and the cache flushed when write's a made... to help with scalability | 23:32 |
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| xdanger | but that would be quite complex, i think... | 23:33 |
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| macOnki | it will help, but not more then using the mysql query_cache | 23:33 |
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| macOnki | I've seen sites hitting the IO only 1 out of 20 | 23:33 |
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| -!- FranksWGSlave is now known as mdawg | 23:35 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by rizen | 23:40 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o mdawg] by rizen | 23:40 |
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| * lenthamen is thinking about giving up on FreeBSD... | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | lenthamen is wise | 23:48 |
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| lenthamen | mdawg: Hows memory management on Windows ? | 23:51 |
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| @mdawg | welcome roy | 23:51 |
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| lenthamen | I might try that | 23:51 |
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| lenthamen | hehe | 23:51 |
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| @mdawg | uh; i dunno; i switched to centos | 23:51 |
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| snapcount | hey what's up guys | 23:51 |
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| @mdawg | you missed a DataForm replacement apocalypse | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | where did that end up? | 23:52 |
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| @mdawg | with some varying exegeses | 23:52 |
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| lenthamen | It ended up in a discussion about GUIDs | 23:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow, from javascript form validation to GUIDs. | 23:53 |
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| macOnki | hehe | 23:53 |
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| @mdawg | bye crythias | 23:55 |
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| @crythias | buh bye | 23:57 |
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| @mdawg | BUHBYE | 23:57 |
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| * mdawg is almost done downloading Vista December CTP (5270) | 23:58 |
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| @mdawg | it's getting late in Europe, isn't it? | 00:02 |
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| lenthamen | yep, I'm going offline. Its 23:00 here | 00:03 |
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| lenthamen | ttyl guys | 00:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | later len | 00:03 |
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| @mdawg | you arrived at a quiet point, snapcount | 00:06 |
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| @rizen | are you guys ready for apocalypse #2 for today? | 00:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | bring it on | 00:07 |
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| @rizen | len and i have been discussing changing webgui's output model | 00:07 |
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| @rizen | going more toward apache bucket brigade style of doing things | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | it ends up using less memory, processes faster, and most importantly | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | gives a percieved performance boost of over 300% | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | i say percieved because to the human eye it looks 300% faster | 00:08 |
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| @rizen | but in reality it's just about 20% faster | 00:09 |
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| @mike_s | is there a link explaining the concept? | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | there is, but i'm going to explain it | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | in webgui terms right now | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | the apache docs are very technical on this subject | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | in webgui right now | 00:09 |
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| @rizen | a page processes in its entirety before it gets returned to the browser | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | before any part of it gets returned | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | we do this because any page can cause a 302 redirect, which is in the http head | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | and because we need to be able to insert stuff into the <head> block | 00:10 |
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| @rizen | the problem with this is that there is a noticable lag between the click and the user getting any data back | 00:11 |
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| @rizen | it's not that webgui is slow, it's that webgui processes everything before rendering | 00:11 |
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| @rizen | server page languages don't work that way | 00:11 |
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| @rizen | they start spewing back as soon as they have content to spew | 00:11 |
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| @rizen | i've heard the arguement that webgui is slow compared to php apps | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | but it's not really, it's a perceived difference | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | not a real difference | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | anyway...here's what would change | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | there will be a new output class accessible through session | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | $session->output->content | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | $session->output->header | 00:12 |
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| @rizen | (oh yeah, this is the new session object model for those of you who aren't up to speed) | 00:13 |
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| @rizen | So assets will be responsible for outputing their own content | 00:13 |
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| @rizen | rather than returning it all back to the WebGUI content handler | 00:13 |
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| @rizen | i don't have all the details worked out yet, but here's the jist of how it will work | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | you make a request to the page | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | and the asset gets loaded | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | once in the www_ method | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | the following happen | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | determine if the asset can result in a redirect | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | if it can, process it like we do now | 00:14 |
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| @rizen | if it can't, send the http header | 00:15 |
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| @rizen | determine all the stuff the asset needs to add to the <head> block | 00:15 |
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| @rizen | process the style | 00:15 |
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| @rizen | process macros on the style | 00:15 |
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| @rizen | return the first half of the style | 00:15 |
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| @rizen | (everything before <tmpl_var body.content> | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | process the asset template | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | return the asset content | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | return the footer content | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | if it's a layout | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | which has multiple stages | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | then it will work a little differently | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | but that's ok, since the asset is responsible for printing it's own content | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | if it's a layout | 00:16 |
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| @rizen | we'll load up all the sub assets | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | get all the head block elements | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | then process the style | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | process macros on the style | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | print the style head | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | then process and return each asset in the page | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | independently | 00:17 |
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| @rizen | as they're rendered | 00:18 |
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| @rizen | processing macros on the contents of each one as they go by | 00:18 |
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| @rizen | and ultimately print out the style footer | 00:18 |
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| @rizen | it's more work for the asset developer to do it this way, by a little bit | 00:18 |
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| @rizen | but because we're dumping out buckets at a time | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | rather than the entire page contents | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | we're not using up as large of chunks of memory | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | which makes macro processing faster | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | because regex is recursive and uses big heaps | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | and most importantly | 00:19 |
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| @rizen | the user is seeing the page as it's rendered | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | rather than waiting to load anything | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | until everything is complete | 00:20 |
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| @mike_s | very cool -- any idea how this would be affected by table based layouts vs CSS div based layouts? | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | So what do you think? | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | won't make any difference | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | the layout template will be preprocessed | 00:20 |
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| @rizen | and in the space where we currently put asset loops | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | we'll just put some sort of a delimiter | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | that we can split on | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | so that we can chunk the contents of the page layout | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | back to the browser | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | i doubt it will even change the page layout templates | 00:21 |
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| @rizen | it will just change the backend processing a little | 00:21 |
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| @mike_s | k- that's that part i was wodnering about | 00:22 |
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| @rizen | and there will of course be helper methods in Asset.pm and Asset/Wobject.pm to aid in this | 00:22 |
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| @mike_s | so the effect is that it *appears* that the content starts filling in on the page asynchronously | 00:22 |
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| @rizen | yup | 00:22 |
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| @rizen | it's more like streaming | 00:22 |
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| @mike_s | cool - have had clients ask for that... | 00:23 |
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| @rizen | we stream the content back in real time | 00:23 |
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| @rizen | rather than waiting for processing | 00:23 |
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| @rizen | anybody see any problems? | 00:23 |
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| @rizen | have any ideas for making it better? | 00:23 |
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| @rizen | if not, i can tell you about part two of this apocalypse | 00:24 |
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| @mike_s | might be my lack of understanding about how the rendering is done but... | 00:24 |
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| @mike_s | how does a style or layout that uses a table get split? | 00:24 |
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| -!- mdawg is now known as mdawg_afk-errand | 00:24 |
| @rizen | when the browser gets it, it will be a complete table | 00:25 |
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| macOnki | rizen, it sounds ok but like mike_s mentioned, a table design will always wait until the table is closed, if an outer table is part of the layout mike_s remark still stands | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | as far as webgui is concerned, it's just a string of text | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | so we just chunk it up | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | at the variable inserts | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | yes mac, that's true | 00:25 |
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| @mike_s | so there is some importance to designing styles/layouts to take advantage of this approach | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | but you'll have stuff before the table design | 00:25 |
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| @rizen | for instance, all teh stuff in the <head> block | 00:26 |
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| macOnki | rizen, true, those are parsed | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | that stuff can be downloading | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | there is some importance | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | but not much | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | eaven table layouts will render faster | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | in modern browsers | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | sorry...even | 00:26 |
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| macOnki | that all depends on the browser indeed | 00:26 |
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| @rizen | i have a demo for you | 00:27 |
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| @mike_s | but potentially a css based layout could all be pushed down first, and then the divs filled in async right? | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | crap, my demo isn't online...forgot about that | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | no demo for you | 00:27 |
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| @mike_s | lol - glad that doesn't happen to just me... | 00:27 |
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| @rizen | yes, css based layouts will theoretically render faster | 00:28 |
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| macOnki | rizen, I understand what you mean, I'm a php developer, ob_flush is what you are trying to achieve I suppose | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | but honestly, you likely won't notice that much of a difference | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | we're talking about a second or two here anyway | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | not minutes | 00:28 |
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| @rizen | yes, basically no buffering | 00:29 |
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| macOnki | it wouldn't gain any client side speed if the design holds nested tables | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | just spew it forward | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | yes it still will | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | like i said | 00:29 |
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| @mike_s | this is probably more meaningful for environemtns using expensive assets like the WS client | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | images, css, javascript | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | etc | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | will still all be requested | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | while the user is waiting for the html | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | so there will still be perceived speed advantage | 00:29 |
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| macOnki | hmm, true | 00:29 |
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| @rizen | yes, anything that has to access external content will benefit even more greatly | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | because the first part of the page can be downloading | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | whilst requesting the second part of the page | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | ok | 00:30 |
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| @mike_s | for us, the next WS client enhancemnt was either to make it AJAX aware and do its stuff async, or do what JT is describing here | 00:30 |
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| @rizen | anymore questions before part 2 | 00:30 |
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| macOnki | nopes | 00:31 |
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| @mdawg_afk-errand | (sry I can't participate more :( ) | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | actually, the ajax aware thing may be a good idea anway | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | anyway | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | because that way the entire page can load | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | and you can display a little "please wait" message | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | while the ajax content is fetched | 00:31 |
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| @mike_s | true | 00:31 |
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| @mike_s | gotta keep matt busy... | 00:31 |
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| @rizen | indeed | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | ok...any further questions? | 00:32 |
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| @mike_s | nope | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | part 2: | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | because all the content will be going out through this output class | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | macro processing can be done there | 00:32 |
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| @rizen | thusly saving the programmer from having to write in macro processing | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | in addition, since the content is all going to one place | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | it can all be piped out to a cache file | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | and then the entire contents of the page (http header and all) can be cached | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | so that if the page is requested again | 00:33 |
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| @rizen | it can be retrieved directly from the cache | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | without even loading the asset | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | that's not something we can currently do | 00:34 |
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| @mike_s | what about places where macros affect what data is fetched in the first place? (SQL reports or WS CLient) but otherwise very cool for "generic" assets | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | on those pages, you'll need to disable caching | 00:34 |
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| @rizen | just as you would now | 00:34 |
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| @mike_s | fair enough | 00:34 |
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| @mike_s | but we would still need the macro processed before output | 00:35 |
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| @rizen | ?? | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | otherise you can't execute the SQL Query that depends on the macro output | 00:35 |
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| @rizen | are you talking about preprocessing on the query itself? | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | select * from myTable where myField=^FormParam("field"); | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:35 |
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| @rizen | ah yes | 00:35 |
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| @rizen | that would continue to be just as it is | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | i'm talking about macro processing on the page content | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | post processing, so to say | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | yes | 00:36 |
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| @mike_s | in that case... cool -- would let rendered assets sit in cache... | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | basically what i'm getting at here | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | is that now that we have an output class | 00:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | almost like a little built in squid proxy | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | we can acheive all sorts of post processing tasks | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | that we couldn't before | 00:36 |
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| @rizen | like caching | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | like better macro handling | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | etc | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | exactly like a built in squid proxy | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | or more correctly, a reverse proxy | 00:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | so would the WRE drop the squid proxy and use this instead? | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | no | 00:37 |
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| @rizen | it's still beneficial to have the mod_proxy | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | serving up static files | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | and handling ssl connections | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | etc | 00:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay | 00:38 |
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| @mike_s | but with memcahced (yes i'm biased) most of a site could be sitting in cache... | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | because mod_perl is still very heavy | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | yes | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | not just on memcached | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | the file cache would be too | 00:38 |
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| @rizen | though memcached would be faster | 00:38 |
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| @mike_s | right | 00:38 |
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| @mike_s | so main diff is that the caching would be at a rendered asset level instead of a page level? | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | so yes, it will take better advantage of your giant memcached servers | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | no, the reverse | 00:39 |
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| @mike_s | doh | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | it would be at the page level instead of the asset level | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | and it would be handled outside of assets | 00:39 |
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| @rizen | therefore not requiring the asset to be loaded | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | in order to serve up the cache | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | we're just comparing the requested URL | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | and the userId | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | no asset privileges | 00:40 |
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| * mike_s light *** goes on | 00:40 |
| @rizen | so anybody see any problem with this? | 00:40 |
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| @rizen | this will be a 6.9 or 7.0 feature, if i can work out all the details | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | if i can't work it out, then it won't happen until 9.x or 10.x | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | whenever we do the next restructuring | 00:41 |
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| @rizen | of the api | 00:41 |
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| @mike_s | seems like a good direction from my limited perspective... | 00:44 |
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| macOnki | rizen, apart from this, will the api be restructured a lot? | 00:44 |
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| @rizen | yes | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | the new session system | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | to get rid of the global session variable | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | has affected every single file in the system | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | and therefore the api | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | it sux from a migration perspective | 00:45 |
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| @rizen | but it's a huge advantage from a future outlook perspective | 00:46 |
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| macOnki | rizen, well, that is part of another problem, we are still in the process of updating sites, with an api changing this much there will be problems upgrading to newer versions, please be aware | 00:46 |
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| * mike_s personally wants a *very* stable api in 7.x | 00:46 |
| @rizen | jt want's what mike wants | 00:46 |
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| @mike_s | LOL | 00:46 |
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| @rizen | mac, i understand your perspective | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | believe me | 00:47 |
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| macOnki | rizen, part of the problem is that the upgrade scripts do not work as the way people expect it | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | plain black manages more than 2000 web sites for our clients | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | some with 10's of thousands of lines of custom code | 00:47 |
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| macOnki | and the company I work for is thinking about other solutions | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | the upgrade scripts can't work perfectly | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | too much is different | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | and there are too many variables from install to install | 00:47 |
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| @rizen | we test and test and test | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | and we still never can account for every single thing | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | here's what i recommend | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | buy our advanced support package | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | then it's our problem | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | not yours | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | we'll do your upgrades for you | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | ask, mike | 00:48 |
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| @rizen | we do it for his org | 00:48 |
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| @mike_s | lol -- still not painless, but not as bad as the last upgrade cycle | 00:49 |
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| @mike_s | and to JT's credit, when we do have a problem, he owns it | 00:49 |
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| macOnki | rizen, we do not have enough paying customers using webgui to get that kind of support, migrating to for example exponentcms which has simular problems security related can be fixed by me. | 00:49 |
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| macOnki | or by anyone else with a deeper knowledge of php | 00:50 |
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| macOnki | the problem with webgui is the ever changing api | 00:50 |
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| macOnki | no offence | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | sure, but there's nothing i can do about php | 00:50 |
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| @rizen | i'm certainly not going to rewrite it in php | 00:50 |
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| @mike_s | so jt - after 6.9 -- how long with the api be locked in? | 00:51 |
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| macOnki | I didn't ask that :-) | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | mac, how long have you been part of the webgui community? | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | did you come in after 5.5? | 00:51 |
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| macOnki | rizen, only short, but I did read a lot | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | ok | 00:51 |
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| macOnki | 5.4 | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | so you never experienced the bliss that was pre 5.5 upgrades | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | once we get to 7.0.0 | 00:51 |
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| @rizen | there will be ZERO new API changes | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | until the next restructuring | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | we'll add to the API to give more functionality | 00:52 |
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| macOnki | true, but this isn't an attack to webgui. I only state what we are thinking about | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | but never change or delete any part of the api | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | which means that assets, macros, etc that are written for 7.0.0 | 00:52 |
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| @rizen | will work on 8.5.9 | 00:52 |
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| @mike_s | serious? | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | also, it means that your upgrades will be far more smooth than they have ever been in your webgui lifetime | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | yes i'm serious | 00:53 |
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| @rizen | the only way that an asset (or whatever) that was written for 7.0.0 won't work in 8.5.9 would be if it's using some bugged part of the api | 00:54 |
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| @mike_s | so what were the commetns re 9.x and 10.x previously? any expected lifespan yet? (not a fair question, but is 7.x gonna last longer than 6 months) | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | as in, the bug gets fixed | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | and the fix breaks the code | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | but the API will not change | 00:54 |
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| @rizen | 9.x or 10.x (whatever the next restructuring ala 6.x is) will be 3 or 4 years down the road | 00:55 |
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| @rizen | at minimum | 00:55 |
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| @mike_s | so we have 7/8 for 3-5 years of stability ? | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | yes | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | we may have 7/8/9/10/11/12 | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | for all i know | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | version numbers are irrelevant as far as this goes | 00:56 |
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| @mike_s | anything beyond 3-5 years is meaningless | 00:56 |
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| @rizen | just know that you have AT MINIMUM 3 years of stability | 00:56 |
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| @mike_s | the world changes too much | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | i agree that the world changes too much | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | but that's what 6.x has been about | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | giving us a platform we can build on | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | without chaning the apip | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | api | 00:57 |
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| @rizen | only adding to it | 00:57 |
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| @mike_s | so what is the big picutre purpose of 7.x vs 8.x in your mind? | 00:58 |
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| @mike_s | are you that far in your thinking yet>? | 00:59 |
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| @rizen | each one will have functional goals | 01:00 |
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| @rizen | 7.x should be about commerce | 01:00 |
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| @rizen | 8.x should be about whatever functional goal we come up with at that time | 01:00 |
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| @rizen | but who knows | 01:00 |
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| @rizen | 7.x is still 6 months away | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | by then i may decide that 7.x is about CRM | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | and 8.x is about web games | 01:01 |
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| @mike_s | so in some ways, the question is, while breaking the apis for eliminstating global sessions, does it make sense to also make the move the apache buckets | 01:01 |
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| @mike_s | or wait for that until 9 or 10 | 01:01 |
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| @rizen | actually no | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | that's not the question | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | i already know it makes sense to do it | 01:02 |
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| @mike_s | personally, i want the api pain to stop, but i'd rather get the api changes done once and for all for a *long* time | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | the question is whether or not i'm smart enough to figure out how to do it in a reasonable timeframe | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | 6.x has dragged on long enough | 01:02 |
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| @rizen | i won't delay the release of 7.0.0 just to do that | 01:02 |
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| @mike_s | in whcih case it waits for 3-5 years? | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | yes | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | because it requires a break in the api | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | if it doesn't get done now | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | it won't get done for a very long time | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | that means that i either better be as smart as i think i am | 01:03 |
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| @mike_s | sin which case ajax aware ws client becomes way more meaningful | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | (which isn't very) | 01:03 |
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| @rizen | or we need to get a lot of money flowing in to hire people smarter than me | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | =) | 01:04 |
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| @mike_s | lol | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | like i said before | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | the ajax ws client makes sense anyway | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | it's the right thing to do | 01:04 |
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| @rizen | regardless of this stuff | 01:04 |
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| @mike_s | ya - i'm sure we'll be talking about that yet.... | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | mac | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | did we lose you? | 01:05 |
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| macOnki | no | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | does my 3 year promise sound good to you? | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | will you relay that to your colleagues | 01:05 |
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| macOnki | 3 years sounds good, but I see a lot of problems | 01:05 |
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| @rizen | fill us in | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | what problems | 01:06 |
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| macOnki | I want to think about it and do some more research before I reply | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | ok, at least hint me | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | problems with the 3 year promise | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | or with the bucket output | 01:06 |
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| @rizen | or with something else | 01:06 |
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| macOnki | rizen, well, part of it would be what I mailed you about, looking at the code and hearing what was told here today will make me have a sharper look | 01:07 |
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| macOnki | even the fact that you are considering ajax | 01:07 |
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| macOnki | webgui needs proper input validation for instance | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | that's easily done though | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | our forms system is all OO | 01:08 |
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| macOnki | if you would use ajax without it you will have a big problem | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | by changing a single method | 01:08 |
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| @rizen | i can validate every form element for XSS | 01:08 |
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| macOnki | rizen, again, I will need to investigate it a bit more but I do see problems | 01:09 |
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| @rizen | please note that most of webgui already has such validation | 01:09 |
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| @rizen | the parts of webgui exposed to users | 01:09 |
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| @rizen | user profile fields, cs posts | 01:09 |
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| @rizen | etc | 01:09 |
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| macOnki | well, people told me that all textfields are not validated since webgui can't expect what is supposed to be submitted | 01:10 |
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| macOnki | maybe there is a backlog of todays discussion | 01:11 |
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| macOnki | but is webgui tested for sql injections? | 01:11 |
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| macOnki | rizen, to be more precise, I am afraid it hasn't been tested, I hope I am wrong | 01:12 |
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| @rizen | hold on a sec, on phone | 01:12 |
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| macOnki | np, back in a minute too, taking a cigaret | 01:12 |
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| snapcount | anytime user data is passed into an sql statement it should be escaped by the quote method | 01:16 |
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| snapcount | which in the webgui api is just a wrapper for DBI quote | 01:17 |
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| snapcount | that should quash any sql that is passed in | 01:17 |
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| macOnki | snapcount, bullshit, forgive me for saying that | 01:17 |
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| macOnki | it should be checked before inserting it into the database | 01:17 |
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| snapcount | it is | 01:17 |
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| macOnki | it isn't | 01:18 |
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| snapcount | quote is executed before the statement is executed on the db | 01:18 |
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| macOnki | whenever you quote user input you should depend on sanitizing the output, this is not done | 01:18 |
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| macOnki | but rizen can fill you in on what I discovered today | 01:19 |
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| snapcount | I'm not following you | 01:20 |
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| snapcount | are you saying it's okay to let the injection happen so long as you don't let it affect what is sent back to the user? | 01:21 |
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| macOnki | snap, I can insert js into text fields, you can quote it before inserting it into the database but webgui fails to check it when it's read from the database | 01:21 |
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| snapcount | oh | 01:22 |
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| @mdawg_afk-errand | onki is referring to a situation in dataform where js is inserted. snapcount is referring to escaping sql code, not js. | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | yes | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | XSS vulnerabilities do exist | 01:22 |
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| snapcount | and need to be fixed | 01:22 |
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| macOnki | whenever you store data it should be what you expect | 01:23 |
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| snapcount | I agree... I just wouldn't describe what you're talking about as SQL injection | 01:23 |
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| snapcount | that's where the confusion came in | 01:23 |
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| snapcount | I smell what you're cookin' | 01:23 |
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| macOnki | true, but these issues are in general part of the sql injections. I am not saying webgui has those problems but stated that I will need to examine that a bit more | 01:24 |
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| @mdawg_afk-errand | does anyone here mind if today's irc transcript is emailed to the dev list? | 01:25 |
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| @mdawg_afk-errand | I won't do it if anyone objects in the next 7 hours. | 01:25 |
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| @mdawg_afk-errand | or even next 18 hours. | 01:25 |
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| macOnki | mdawg_afk-errand, I think it's better to store it somewhere online and post the link :-) | 01:25 |
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| -!- mdawg_afk-errand is now known as mdawg | 01:25 |
| @mdawg | that could be. | 01:26 |
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| snapcount | I'm okay with it so long as my name is changed to "Rizen's Daddy whom he worships because $self->coolness > his" | 01:27 |
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| snapcount | or something to that effect | 01:27 |
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| @mdawg | i thought maybe you'd want to see the 1000 lines you missed | 01:27 |
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| macOnki | rizen, sorry but I need some sleep now, It is past midnight over here, I can discuss the issues again tomorrow | 01:27 |
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| macOnki | night all | 01:27 |
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| @mdawg | night | 01:28 |
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| snapcount | by the way... is there a bot that will keep this channel alive? | 01:28 |
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| @mdawg | no; want to make one? | 01:28 |
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| snapcount | yeah... I haven't done it since I was like 12 though | 01:29 |
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| @mdawg | :-D | 01:29 |
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| snapcount | I've some friends over on #novell on a different network... I'll see what they're using | 01:29 |
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| snapcount | I'm pretty sure my TOS will allow me to host it but I'm not sure | 01:30 |
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| snapcount | unless PB wants to host it | 01:30 |
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| snapcount | I don't care either way | 01:30 |
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| @mdawg | i dunno. I don't know if pb's datacenter allows that either. | 01:36 |
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| @rizen | ok back | 01:39 |
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| @rizen | sorry that took so long | 01:39 |
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| @rizen | people like to chat | 01:39 |
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| @rizen | looks like mac is gone | 01:39 |
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| @rizen | too bad | 01:39 |
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| @mdawg | his other login is lonki_home (his work pc) | 01:40 |
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| @mdawg | so he'll have a transcript of this. | 01:41 |
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| @mdawg | if you wanted to send him a msg that he'll get in a few hours. | 01:41 |
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| @rizen | i c | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | well then the answer is: | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | yes, webgui has been tested for sql injections | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | by 2 seperate security companies | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | and the two errors they found were fixed | 01:43 |
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| @rizen | no it doesn't protect all public fields against XSS, but it does do it where it counts | 01:44 |
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| @rizen | i'm not sure how severe the dataform thing is yet, still have to investigate | 01:44 |
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| @mdawg | i looked into it. | 01:44 |
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| @mdawg | there's no privilege/group security on viewList | 01:45 |
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| @rizen | and like i said before, if we decide to do so, making all fields do some basic javascript injection testing is rather trivial | 01:45 |
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| @rizen | especially in 6.9 | 01:45 |
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| @rizen | ok, that's easily fixed matt | 01:45 |
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| @rizen | and that has virtually nothing to do with an xss exploit | 01:45 |
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| @mdawg | i know. | 01:45 |
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| snapcount | shit ballz | 01:45 |
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| snapcount | We do not allow IRC, egg drop bots, or anything of the sort on our network. IRC servers are extremely prone to DoS activity. If you are caught running an IRC server inside our network your account will be terminated immediately. This is a pretty common practice in the hosting industry today. The rule is, you can run anything on the server as long as no one can access it via a standard IRC client. | 01:46 |
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| snapcount | I guess I can't host the bot | 01:46 |
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| snapcount | maybe I can get one of my Novell friends to do it | 01:47 |
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| @mdawg | I didn't think irc bots were necessarily irc servers. i thought they could be client-only | 01:47 |
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| @mike_s | anyone want to write a POE based IRC bot? i'll host it on one of our servers | 01:47 |
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| snapcount | I'm so lame I don't even know what POE is | 01:48 |
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| snapcount | so I guess that counts me out | 01:48 |
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| * mdawg is a lam3r as well. | 01:48 |
| snapcount | I'll provide moral support | 01:48 |
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| @mike_s | http://search.cpan.org/~bingos/POE-Component-IRC-4.77/lib/POE/Component/IRC.pm | 01:48 |
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| @rizen | there are already half a dozen poe irc bots | 01:49 |
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| @rizen | on the example pages | 01:49 |
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| snapcount | brb... I'm gonna hop on efnet and see if someone will take up our cause | 01:49 |
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| @mike_s | yep | 01:49 |
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| @rizen | incidentally, no i can't host anything related to irc either | 01:49 |
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| @rizen | 2 of our 7 upstream providers have strict clauses in our contract with them not to do it | 01:49 |
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| @mike_s | i'm not aware of any restrictions we have in our data center -- let me double check | 01:50 |
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| xdanger | I can, but I'm in finland and don't know that much about bot's... but my irssi is online 24/7 and has some limited autoop functions... | 01:51 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o xdanger] by mdawg | 01:51 |
| @xdanger | so now I just have to remember how the autoop syntax went =P | 01:52 |
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| @rizen | anybody know what language this is: | 02:00 |
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| @rizen | http://www.framasoft.net/article3540.html | 02:00 |
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| @mdawg | french | 02:01 |
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| @xdanger | french | 02:01 |
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| @mike_s | that would be my little poe bot | 02:01 |
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| @rizen | nice | 02:01 |
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| @mike_s | just testing -- and it will be setup to log the conversations | 02:01 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o usepoe712] by mdawg | 02:01 |
| @xdanger | mdawg: could you leave the channel and come back so that I know that I did this correctly ? | 02:01 |
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| -!- mdawg [i=user@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has left #webgui [] | 02:02 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o mdawg] by xdanger | 02:02 |
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| @mdawg | nice. | 02:02 |
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| @xdanger | 02:02 -!- Friends checked: mdawg | 02:02 |
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| @xdanger | 02:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+o mdawg] by xdanger | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | here's sample logging fromthe poebot... | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [mike@mark4 irc_logger]$ ./poebot.pl | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:01:27 2006] <mike_s:#webgui> that would be my little poe bot | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:01:44 2006] <rizen:#webgui> nice | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:01:46 2006] <mike_s:#webgui> just testing -- and it will be setup to log the conversations | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:01:48 2006] <xdanger:#webgui> mdawg: could you leave the channel and come back so that I know that I did this correctly ? | 02:02 |
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| @xdanger | don't know how static your host's are, but.. | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:02:19 2006] <mdawg:#webgui> nice. | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:02:20 2006] <xdanger:#webgui> 02:02 -!- Friends checked: mdawg | 02:02 |
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| @mike_s | [Tue Jan 3 17:02:20 2006] <xdanger:#webgui> 02:02 -!- mode/#webgui [+o mdawg] by xdanger | 02:02 |
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| @mdawg | my ip changes about once a month. | 02:02 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by mdawg | 02:03 |
| @crythias | howdy | 02:03 |
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| @mike_s | so what does everyone want wiht the logs? | 02:03 |
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| @mike_s | emailed once a day to the dev list? posted to a website? | 02:04 |
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| @crythias | better not | 02:04 |
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| @crythias | :) | 02:04 |
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| @mdawg | i dunno. but I can mail you the entire log for today. | 02:04 |
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| @xdanger | just some one adds something to op me so that should be enough | 02:04 |
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| @crythias | tyvm | 02:04 |
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| @xdanger | generate a funny statistics with pisg | 02:04 |
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| @xdanger | =) | 02:04 |
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| @crythias | what's new? | 02:05 |
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| @mike_s | you missed out on a few of JT's apocolypse's | 02:05 |
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| @mike_s | so we decided to start logging this -- thus the poe bot | 02:07 |
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| @mike_s | just needing to decide what to do with the logs | 02:07 |
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| @crythias | oh :) | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | nail them to santa clause | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | err | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | mail them to santa | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | just kidding. | 02:07 |
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| @crythias | freudian slip? And I didn't think they'd fit you... | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | (I think?) | 02:07 |
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| @mdawg | hey :p | 02:07 |
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| @xdanger | my irssi also automaticly logs everything... | 02:08 |
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| @xdanger | just for your amusement: http://mentalhouse.net/irc/webgui | 02:09 |
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| @mike_s | wow - very good random quotes... | 02:10 |
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| @mike_s | not putting quesiton marks on anymore | 02:11 |
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| @rizen | i like that section below | 02:12 |
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| @crythias | that amuses me. | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | is mike_s stupid? | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | Is mike_s stupid or just asking too many questions? 23.3% lines contained a question! | 02:12 |
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| @mike_s | )(*#$) )(*#$)(* #) | 02:12 |
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| @mike_s | thanks for picking that up buddy | 02:12 |
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| @rizen | hehe | 02:13 |
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| @rizen | it also says i talk too much | 02:13 |
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| @mdawg | ? | 02:13 |
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| @mdawg | ? | 02:13 |
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| @mdawg | ? | 02:13 |
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| @mike_s | rizen talks to him/herself a lot. | 02:13 |
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| @mike_s | ya - i liked that one | 02:13 |
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| @xdanger | I'm just wondering how well does our connection scale to US, is it slow ? | 02:14 |
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| @mike_s | so xdnager - (not using a question mark but) does your app generate a web page of the log | 02:14 |
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| @rizen | it seems quite fast | 02:14 |
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| @xdanger | It's mainly finnish and scandinavian and europe, but haven't got a clue about over the atlantic.. | 02:15 |
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| @mike_s | i'm in canada -- works quite well | 02:15 |
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| @xdanger | mike_s: yes, it's a perl script that takes in different kinds of logs and generates configurable statistics =) | 02:16 |
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| @xdanger | http://pisg.sourceforge.net/ | 02:16 |
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| @mike_s | k - if you want to just generate the web page log i'll shut down the little poe bot ... | 02:16 |
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| @crythias | wow | 02:16 |
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| @xdanger | well, If you want the logs some where I can set up a cronjob to copy them every hour or something like that ? | 02:17 |
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| @crythias | well, if it's going to get indexed, I'll throw in http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom | 02:17 |
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| @rizen | gerald, how's that interview coming? | 02:18 |
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| @crythias | awe. darn it. I left it at work. I've been under the weather since my return from my grandmother's funeral. | 02:19 |
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| @crythias | I'll be able to get a copy in a sec | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | do you need me to send again? | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | no | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | ok | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | apparently snapcount has gotten his friends to set up some sort of a bot as well | 02:19 |
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| @rizen | you people are going bot crazy | 02:19 |
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| @mdawg | this will be the most well-protected channel on this network. | 02:20 |
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| @mdawg | highest bot-person ratio. | 02:20 |
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| @mike_s | rot13 hello world | 02:21 |
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| @usepoe712 | uryyb jbeyq | 02:21 |
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| @mike_s | but will there's do rot13? ;) | 02:21 |
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| @rizen | we might as well just make the bots talk to each other too | 02:21 |
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| @mdawg | rot13 rot13 | 02:21 |
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| @usepoe712 | ebg13 | 02:21 |
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| @rizen | and decide the features of webgui too | 02:21 |
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| @mdawg | lol. | 02:21 |
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| @mdawg | might as well. | 02:21 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [-o usepoe712] by rizen | 02:21 |
| @mike_s | good plan there | 02:22 |
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| @mike_s | i'll shut that one down | 02:22 |
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| -!- usepoe712 [n=poebot@64.78.230.164] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 02:22 |
| @rizen | the others aren't logged in yet though | 02:22 |
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| @mike_s | so demanding... | 02:22 |
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| -!- usepoe2 [n=poebot@64.78.230.164] has joined #webgui | 02:23 |
| @mike_s | i'll leave it up for a while to keep the channel open, but won't be doing anything with the logs | 02:23 |
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| @rizen | could you email the logs to matt every half hour | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | the entire days logs though | 02:24 |
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| @rizen | just spam the crap out of him | 02:24 |
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| @xdanger | http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/ | 02:24 |
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| * mdawg exclaims, "It's a spamity calamity!" | 02:25 |
| @mdawg | i'll blacklist your mail servers' ips with every known ip-based blocklist. | 02:26 |
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| @mdawg | (not pb's) | 02:26 |
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| @mdawg | whoever spams me :) | 02:26 |
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| @xdanger | it's 2:25 am, so I'll head over to my bed, girlfriend and cats... | 02:26 |
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| @xdanger | good night ;) | 02:26 |
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| @mdawg | 'night. | 02:27 |
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| @crythias | gnite | 02:27 |
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| @rizen | nite | 02:27 |
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| @rizen | or perhaps knight | 02:28 |
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| @crythias | working on the interview... | 02:31 |
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| @rizen | excellent | 02:31 |
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| @rizen | i can't wait to see how these turn out | 02:31 |
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| @rizen | i hope people like them | 02:32 |
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| @mike_s | what interviews? | 02:35 |
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| @rizen | i don't know what you're talking about | 02:36 |
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| @rizen | those aren't the droids you're looking for | 02:36 |
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| @crythias | you can go about your business. | 02:36 |
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| @rizen | move along | 02:36 |
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| @mike_s | lol | 02:37 |
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| @mike_s | yes Mr Anderson | 02:37 |
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| @rizen | i can already see that this channel is going to be a huge time suck | 02:37 |
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| @crythias | yes | 02:37 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to have to never log in here agian | 02:37 |
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| @crythias | it's all matthew's fault. | 02:37 |
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| @mdawg | :( | 02:38 |
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| @rizen | matt, you're fired | 02:38 |
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| -!- mdawg [i=user@CPE-65-31-211-163.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #webgui | 02:38 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o mdawg] by xdanger | 02:38 |
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| snapcount | our bot should be joining us soon :-) | 02:40 |
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| @mike_s | although rizen - some scheduled apocolypses on here could be interesting | 02:40 |
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| @mdawg | interactive apocalypses. | 02:40 |
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| @mdawg | if only the apostle john had IRC. | 02:40 |
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| @mike_s | LOL | 02:40 |
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| @mdawg | welcome, goodoll | 02:41 |
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| -!- usepoe2 [n=poebot@64.78.230.164] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 02:41 |
| @rizen | it's hard to imagine that interactive apocolypses would be a good thing | 02:42 |
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| @rizen | it seems they'd likely make it more confused | 02:42 |
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| @rizen | as people ask questions | 02:42 |
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| @rizen | etc | 02:42 |
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| @rizen | in the middle of me spewing my spiel | 02:42 |
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| -!- phobia [n=phobia@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has joined #webgui | 02:42 |
| @crythias | I'm scared | 02:42 |
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| @mdawg | welcome fearNess. | 02:42 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o gooey] by rizen | 02:42 |
| @rizen | ok snapcount | 02:43 |
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| @rizen | what can we do with this bot | 02:43 |
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| snapcount | we're debugging | 02:43 |
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| snapcount | it's version 6.x | 02:43 |
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| snapcount | haha | 02:43 |
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| @mdawg | touche | 02:44 |
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| snapcount | we should be at 7.0 shortly | 02:44 |
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| @crythias | 6.8.3 and you try to dcc and it forgets where it put the files? | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | listen here bitch | 02:44 |
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| @rizen | don't make me get out my whiping stick | 02:44 |
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| @crythias | :) | 02:45 |
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| phobia | *** Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) | 02:46 |
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| phobia | sad... | 02:46 |
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| phobia | soooooooooo very sad... | 02:46 |
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| phobia | "free"node | 02:46 |
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| phobia | WTFEVAH | 02:46 |
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| @mdawg | hello phobia | 02:47 |
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| phobia | hi | 02:47 |
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| -!- snapcount is now known as gooey | 02:47 |
| gooey | shit | 02:48 |
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| @mdawg | whom do you fear, phobia. | 02:48 |
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| phobia | you think that my nickname represents what I am, versus what I inspire in the people I meet? | 02:48 |
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| gooey | hehe | 02:49 |
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| -!- mdawg is now known as WebGUI7 | 02:49 |
| phobia | if it's fear you want, download & watch this: http://tinyurl.com/9vklz | 02:50 |
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| @WebGUI7 | my advent is imminent. | 02:50 |
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| -!- gooey is now known as WRE | 02:50 |
| -!- phobia is now known as stckovrflw | 02:51 |
| -!- WRE is now known as snapcount | 02:51 |
| @crythias | grr | 02:51 |
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| @WebGUI7 | lost you on AIM, gwy | 02:52 |
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| * crythias nods | 02:53 |
| snapcount | damn freenode | 02:54 |
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| * WebGUI7 is downloading terror-inspiring flick. | 02:54 |
| snapcount | we're at 6.9 | 02:54 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 02:54 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen2] by xdanger | 02:55 |
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| snapcount | is xdanger a bot? | 02:55 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by xdanger | 02:59 |
| @crythias | xdanger help | 02:59 |
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| snapcount | !help | 02:59 |
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| snapcount | 6.9.1 | 03:00 |
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| * rizen /help | 03:01 |
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| -!- rizen is now known as test | 03:01 |
| -!- test is now known as rizen | 03:01 |
| @WebGUI7 | mixing you guys, perl, and irc bots is like a bunch of bulls in China. | 03:02 |
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| @WebGUI7 | I mean. a China shop. | 03:02 |
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| -!- rizen changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI is the best plumbing monitor software ever made | 03:02 |
| snapcount | we're working on that interactive apocalypse | 03:02 |
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| @crythias | nice | 03:02 |
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| snapcount | did you guys know this channel name is open on EFNet? | 03:03 |
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| snapcount | like 10x's the ppl over there | 03:03 |
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| @WebGUI7 | I blindly chose from the list of networks when I chose this one. | 03:03 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 03:03 |
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| @rizen | is that a good thing? | 03:03 |
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| snapcount | probably not | 03:03 |
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| snapcount | 10 times the retards mucking up our discussions | 03:04 |
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| @rizen | i don't think we necessarily want peeps unrelated to webgui dropping by | 03:04 |
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| * snapcount reflects on the quality of discussion thus far | 03:04 |
| @rizen | unless this irc channel is a promotional thing | 03:04 |
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| @WebGUI7 | snapcount, you missed quite a lot. | 03:04 |
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| * WebGUI7 releases itself early. | 03:05 |
| -!- crythias changed the topic of #webgui to: WebGUI R0X0R$ | visit http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom | 03:05 |
| stckovrflw | Efnet is the wild west of IRC | 03:05 |
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| stckovrflw | at least, it was at one time | 03:05 |
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| @WebGUI7 | nice. | 03:05 |
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| stckovrflw | I smell fear :P | 03:05 |
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| @WebGUI7 | url error. | 03:05 |
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| -!- stckovrflw is now known as phobia | 03:05 |
| @WebGUI7 | WebGUI was unable to instantiate your style template. | 03:06 |
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| @WebGUI7 | at http://www.gwy2.org/cgi-bin/fom. | 03:06 |
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| @crythias | I clicked and it worked. | 03:06 |
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| @WebGUI7 | your client is superior. | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | i think webgui needs new error messages | 03:06 |
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| @rizen | like, webgui was unable to account for your ineptitude | 03:07 |
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| @WebGUI7 | LOL | 03:07 |
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| @rizen | webgui couldn't overcome your unbearable nature | 03:07 |
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| @rizen | webgui can't tollerate ignorance | 03:07 |
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| @WebGUI7 | webgui can't spell. | 03:07 |
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| @rizen | jt can't spell | 03:07 |
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| @rizen | perhaps we can add a with-humor = 1 flag to the config file | 03:08 |
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| @rizen | that will replace the error messages with humor | 03:08 |
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| @WebGUI7 | it could be its own language. | 03:08 |
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| @WebGUI7 | EnglishHumor | 03:08 |
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| @crythias | JT.. I will need to send photo under separate cover. acceptable? | 03:08 |
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| snapcount | how about | 03:09 |
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| snapcount | webgui farts in your general direction | 03:09 |
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| @rizen | on april 1 this year | 03:09 |
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| @crythias | These aren't the style templates you're looking for. | 03:09 |
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| @rizen | i'm going to run the webgui translation through a redneck translator | 03:09 |
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| snapcount | LOL | 03:09 |
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| @rizen | and release it as a new WebGUI Worldwide member | 03:09 |
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| snapcount | hell yeah | 03:09 |
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| * snapcount screams yee-haw!!! in the spirit | 03:10 |
| * WebGUI7 bites something. | 03:10 |
| @rizen | i don't understand gerald, what do you mean under a seperate cover? | 03:10 |
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| @crythias | You dum messed sumpin up, boy. | 03:11 |
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| @crythias | dun | 03:11 |
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| @crythias | Y'all caint do that 'round hyere. | 03:11 |
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| * WebGUI7 returns "I'm broked!" | 03:12 |
| -!- WebGUI7 is now known as ircSucksTime | 03:13 |
| @crythias | separate email | 03:13 |
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| @rizen | k | 03:14 |
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| -!- crythias [n=gyoung@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 03:26 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o crythias] by xdanger | 03:26 |
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| -!- snapcount is now known as gooey | 03:27 |
| -!- gooey is now known as snapcount | 03:28 |
| -!- snapcount is now known as WRE_ | 03:28 |
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| WRE_ | what a pain in the ass | 03:28 |
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| @crythias | hrm. | 03:29 |
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| @ircSucksTime | what | 03:29 |
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| @ircSucksTime | clue me in | 03:29 |
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| @crythias | most used words | 03:29 |
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| -!- WRE_ is now known as snapcount | 03:29 |
| -!- WRE__ is now known as WRE_ | 03:29 |
| @crythias | people should think about database using Dataform asset WebGUI because still | 03:30 |
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| @crythias | IRCUL8R | 03:33 |
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| snapcount | we can't initialize the bot until it logs in | 03:33 |
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| snapcount | and it we can't log it in until we initialize it | 03:33 |
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| snapcount | isn't that a paradox? | 03:33 |
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| @crythias | ?? | 03:33 |
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| @ircSucksTime | can't you spoof it? | 03:34 |
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| @ircSucksTime | log in using another prog. | 03:34 |
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| @ircSucksTime | same ident, etc. | 03:34 |
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| @ircSucksTime | same machine | 03:34 |
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| @crythias | initialize it in a different #channel? | 03:34 |
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| phobia | the ye olde gaytownne irc network you have chosen | 03:34 |
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| @ircSucksTime | roy, do you have a webgui business? | 03:35 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 03:35 |
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| @ircSucksTime | oh yeah; oceansview | 03:35 |
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| @crythias | ok | 03:35 |
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| snapcount | no | 03:36 |
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| @ircSucksTime | ? | 03:36 |
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| snapcount | we can't message it b/c freenode won't allow dcc unless you're registered | 03:36 |
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| snapcount | and we have to dcc it to initialize it | 03:36 |
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| snapcount | and we can't tell it how to login until it's initialized | 03:36 |
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| @crythias | you can't message under the bot's name? | 03:37 |
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| snapcount | the bot can't message me back until it's logged in | 03:38 |
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| snapcount | I think we found a script that will do it | 03:38 |
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| @crythias | register the bot under the bot's name? | 03:38 |
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| snapcount | when it joins the channel | 03:38 |
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| snapcount | we did | 03:38 |
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| snapcount | we can't get the bot to type the command to identify it's self | 03:38 |
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| snapcount | but we think we found a script that will do so | 03:38 |
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| @crythias | don't you have console method of running the bot? | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | tune in at 11 | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | yeah | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | but not until you initialize it | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | it will just ignore you | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | hehe | 03:39 |
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| @crythias | that's what I encountered. | 03:39 |
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| snapcount | oh | 03:39 |
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| @crythias | shouldn't ignore you from YOUR console. | 03:40 |
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| snapcount | you mean the cmd line of the server running the bot? | 03:41 |
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| @crythias | yeah | 03:42 |
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| snapcount | hmmm | 03:42 |
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| snapcount | not sure | 03:42 |
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| snapcount | let me see if we can do that | 03:42 |
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| snapcount | it's an eggdrop bot | 03:42 |
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| @crythias | yeah | 03:42 |
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| snapcount | do you know how to do that? | 03:43 |
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| @crythias | one second | 03:43 |
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| snapcount | command to make the bot say "/msg nickserv ident password" | 03:43 |
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| snapcount | we need it to say that | 03:43 |
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| -!- webguibot [n=webguibo@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 03:44 |
| snapcount | we found a way | 03:44 |
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| -!- webguibot [n=webguibo@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 03:44 |
| snapcount | with telnet | 03:44 |
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| @ircSucksTime | who is we | 03:44 |
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| snapcount | phobia | 03:45 |
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| @ircSucksTime | who is phobia | 03:45 |
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| snapcount | friend of mine from #novell on efnet | 03:45 |
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| @ircSucksTime | oh; i see. | 03:45 |
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| @ircSucksTime | sry phobia. | 03:45 |
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| snapcount | runs a bunch of bots | 03:45 |
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| @ircSucksTime | downloading (from ed2k) that movie you linked. | 03:45 |
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| snapcount | I gave him free WG hosting in exchange for our bot | 03:45 |
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| -!- webguibot [n=webguibo@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 03:45 |
| -!- webguibot [n=webguibo@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 03:45 |
| snapcount | who does webguibot belong to? | 03:46 |
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| @ircSucksTime | the enemy. | 03:46 |
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| @crythias | me | 03:46 |
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| -!- WRE [n=gooey@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 03:46 |
| snapcount | cool | 03:46 |
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| snapcount | we'll have more bots than people | 03:46 |
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| snapcount | I welcome our new IRC bot overlords | 03:47 |
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| @rizen | i'll do your bidding my master | 03:47 |
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| -!- webguibot [n=webguibo@pcp06077902pcs.bntasp01.fl.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] | 03:51 |
| -!- phobia [n=phobia@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has quit ["Create like a God, Command like a King, Work like a Slave <k!15b8>"] | 03:52 |
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| @crythias | heh | 03:55 |
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| @crythias | that kinda worked | 03:55 |
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| @crythias | hello | 03:55 |
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| @crythias | webguibot hello | 03:55 |
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| @crythias | I got eggdrop to work. sorta. | 03:56 |
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| @crythias | at least I got it to create the user file. | 03:56 |
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| WRE | hohoho | 03:56 |
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| WRE | phear | 03:56 |
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| -!- WRE [n=gooey@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 03:57 |
| -!- crythias is now known as webguibo1 | 03:58 |
| -!- webguibo1 is now known as crythias | 03:58 |
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| WRE | hmmm | 04:10 |
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| WRE | blah | 04:10 |
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| -!- phobia [n=phobia@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has joined #webgui | 04:11 |
| WRE | whee | 04:12 |
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| WRE | ops! | 04:12 |
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| WRE | plz? :) | 04:12 |
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| @crythias | for whom? | 04:12 |
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| snapcount | for the bot | 04:13 |
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| @crythias | right. gimme a nick. | 04:13 |
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| snapcount | WRE | 04:13 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o WRE] by crythias | 04:13 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+t] by WRE | 04:13 |
| snapcount | &op | 04:15 |
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| snapcount | &op | 04:21 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 04:21 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by WRE | 04:21 |
| snapcount | nice | 04:21 |
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| snapcount | we get the fucker working | 04:21 |
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| snapcount | and I break it | 04:22 |
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| snapcount | &op | 04:22 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 04:25 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 04:36 |
| @WRE | TAKEOVER | 04:36 |
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| @WRE | muuhaha | 04:36 |
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| @snapcount | .wx | 04:37 |
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| phobia | !bofh | 04:37 |
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| @WRE | BOFH Quick-excuse: Password is too complex to decrypt | 04:37 |
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| phobia | !bash | 04:37 |
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| @WRE | |bash 96| <VIVI> Xbox already has the following games: | 04:37 |
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| @WRE | |bash 96| <VIVI> Microsoft Word | 04:37 |
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| @WRE | |bash 96| <VIVI> Microsoft Excel | 04:37 |
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| @WRE | |bash 96| <VIVI> Solitaire | 04:37 |
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| phobia | !exchange $1 eur usd | 04:37 |
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| phobia | !gb george orwell nineteen eighty four | 04:38 |
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| @snapcount | !exchange $1 eur usd | 04:38 |
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| @crythias | !bash | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <achan> DigDug: 'ascetic' is maybe the word you're looking for | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <DigDug> ascetic? | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <DigDug> I don't know such a word. :/ | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <achan> someone who lives a monastic life outside of a monestary | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <DigDug> Ahh. | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <DigDug> Is there a term for someone who lives a monastic life on the Internet? | 04:39 |
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| @WRE | |bash 462| <Medieval> yes, e-scetic. | 04:39 |
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| * crythias shakes his head | 04:40 |
| @snapcount | !g webgui | 04:40 |
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| @ircSucksTime | HELO | 04:42 |
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| @snapcount | hello WRE | 04:42 |
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| @ircSucksTime | oh no. | 04:42 |
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| @ircSucksTime | not bash. | 04:42 |
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| @snapcount | !g webgui | 04:43 |
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| @WRE | <img src=/nav_page.gif width=16 height=2 @ /search?q=webgui&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&start=10&sa=N | 04:43 |
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| @ircSucksTime | lol. | 04:43 |
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| phobia | !gb george orwell nineteen eighty four | 04:43 |
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| phobia | !exchange $1 usd cad | 04:44 |
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| @WRE | $1 U.S. Dollar makes 1.1561 Canadian Dollar. | 04:44 |
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| phobia | !horoscope scorpio | 04:44 |
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| @WRE | Scorpio; <span id="intelliTxt">The stars are telling you that it's time to get away from it all. Even if that just means a hot bath behind a locked bathroom door, make some kind of attempt to get some private time for relaxation.</span> | 04:44 |
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| phobia | woo complete with html tags | 04:44 |
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| @snapcount | shiney! | 04:44 |
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| @snapcount | .wx Daytona Beach, FL. | 04:45 |
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| @snapcount | &kick phobia | 04:46 |
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| -!- phobia was kicked from #WebGUI by WRE [Requested by snapcount] | 04:46 |
| -!- phobia [n=phobia@66-46-142-242.amtelecom.net] has joined #WebGUI | 04:46 |
| phobia | heh | 04:46 |
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| -!- ircSucksTime is now known as self | 04:46 |
| @self | &kick self | 04:47 |
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| @self | dangit. | 04:47 |
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| @snapcount | haha | 04:47 |
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| phobia | !seen self | 04:47 |
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| @WRE | phobia, self is right here! | 04:47 |
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| phobia | !lastspoke self | 04:47 |
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| @WRE | self last uttered a word on #webgui less than a minute ago. | 04:47 |
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| phobia | !seen my ass | 04:48 |
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| @WRE | phobia, I don't remember seeing my. | 04:48 |
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| phobia | bah | 04:48 |
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| @self | !seen myHead | 04:48 |
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| @WRE | self, I don't remember seeing myhead. | 04:48 |
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| * crythias loves self. | 04:48 |
| @self | crythias: can we get it to play the funny license plate game | 04:49 |
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| @snapcount | what is the funny license plate game? | 04:51 |
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| @self | crythias? | 04:51 |
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| @self | that's your cue. | 04:51 |
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| @crythias | sorry | 04:52 |
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| @crythias | someone's having problems installing wg | 04:52 |
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| @self | um; that never happens. | 04:53 |
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| @crythias | IM2SXY | 04:53 |
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| @crythias | testCodebase.pl doesn't see dsn. why? | 04:53 |
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| @snapcount | no WG config | 04:53 |
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| @snapcount | or incorrect config | 04:54 |
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| @crythias | NO2HARD | 04:55 |
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| @crythias | hi | 04:56 |
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| cluge | hello | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | 21:46:41) Cluge1669: Let me give you some quick background | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | 1. I've been using web GUI for years, installed it at least 30 times. (From the 4 series on up) | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | 2. The server is basically a RH 9 box with serveral udpate | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | apache 2.0.54 | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | perl 5.8.0 | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | mysql 5.0.18 | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | webgui latest verision | 04:56 |
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| cluge | thats me | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | ok - that won't be too painful to udpate | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | The problem is that it's not even connecting to the SQL server. It's as if the DSN isn't correct, or that it can't read the config file (which it can) | 04:56 |
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| @crythias | nssgerald: any error messages? | 04:57 |
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| @crythias | (21:50:27) Cluge1669: yeah - when running testCodebase.pl :Can't connect to data source , no database driver specified and DBI_DSN env var not set a | 04:57 |
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| @crythias | (21:50:43) nssgerald: ok | 04:57 |
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| @crythias | so... self? | 04:58 |
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| @self | what | 04:58 |
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| @crythias | can you help? | 04:58 |
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| cluge | any idears on my problem? | 04:58 |
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| @crythias | I don't know what to check. | 04:58 |
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| @crythias | cluge: is this a new install? | 04:58 |
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| cluge | it is for this version of webgui | 04:59 |
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| cluge | I'm also running an older 5.8.1 useing speedy CGI on the same box | 04:59 |
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| @self | hold on 2 sec | 04:59 |
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| cluge | I've run several concurrent webguis even with different versions in the past without issue | 04:59 |
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| @self | what's the exact command you're typing to run testCodebase | 05:00 |
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| @crythias | the new one require major changes to httpd.conf | 05:00 |
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| cluge | perl testCodebase.pl --configFile /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/etc/www2 | 05:00 |
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| @self | no .conf?? | 05:00 |
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| @self | I think it needs it. | 05:00 |
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| cluge | yeah, thats why I'm running the old with speedy CGI, so it won't interfere with mod perl | 05:01 |
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| cluge | no .conf | 05:01 |
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| @snapcount | doesn't your config file end in .conf? | 05:01 |
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| cluge | ok, will change the name and update index.pl | 05:01 |
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| @crythias | yeah. the parser looks for .conf's. | 05:01 |
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| cluge | stand by | 05:01 |
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| @crythias | index.pl is useless in 6.8.3 | 05:01 |
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| @self | index.pl shouldn't exist in 6.8.3 | 05:01 |
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| cluge | ok..... | 05:02 |
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| cluge | just use the pre init in the httpd.conf? | 05:02 |
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| @self | preload.perl, you mean? | 05:03 |
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| cluge | PerlInitHandler WebGUI | 05:03 |
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| @self | oh yeah. no wre. | 05:03 |
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| @self | hold on | 05:03 |
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| @self | familiar tagline. | 05:04 |
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| @snapcount | yeah... | 05:04 |
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| @snapcount | that's the old one | 05:04 |
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| @snapcount | he's rejecting realities now a days | 05:04 |
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| @self | yeah. | 05:04 |
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| @crythias | Poit | 05:04 |
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| @self | Nark. | 05:04 |
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| @snapcount | so our bot is now at 7.0 | 05:04 |
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| @self | Narf. | 05:04 |
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| @crythias | Egads | 05:05 |
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| @snapcount | !bash | 05:05 |
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| @WRE | |bash 2680| ~ frOsty- giggles.. in a manly, tesrosterone-filled sort of way. | 05:05 |
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| @self | cluge: | 05:05 |
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| @self | do you have this in httpd.conf? | 05:05 |
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| @self | PerlSetVar WebguiRoot /data/WebGUI | 05:05 |
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| @self | PerlRequire /data/wre/prereqs/apache/conf/startup.pl | 05:05 |
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| @self | PerlCleanupHandler Apache2::SizeLimit | 05:05 |
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| @self | PerlRequire /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl | 05:05 |
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| @self | you don't necessarily need the SizeLimit | 05:06 |
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| @self | (with adjusted paths) | 05:06 |
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| @crythias | woe | 05:06 |
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| @self | and | 05:06 |
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| @self | Alias /extras /data/WebGUI/www/extras | 05:06 |
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| @crythias | Chapelle Show doing spot on Matrix parity. | 05:07 |
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| cluge | yeah looking now | 05:07 |
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| @self | parody? | 05:07 |
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| @crythias | yeah. that, too. | 05:07 |
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| cluge | the perl Require is new | 05:07 |
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| @snapcount | self: you can run 6.8.x concurrent with older versions? | 05:07 |
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| cluge | to me that is | 05:07 |
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| @self | here's my startup.pl | 05:08 |
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| cluge | remember I'm running the old version with speedy CGI | 05:08 |
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| @self | for reference. | 05:08 |
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| @crythias | yeah. the gotcha.txt is a must read. | 05:08 |
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| @self | actually; startup.pl is unneeded for you too. | 05:08 |
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| @self | just preload.perl is needed. | 05:08 |
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| cluge | well web server restarted without too much bitching | 05:09 |
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| cluge | stand by | 05:09 |
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| cluge | nope - falls back to default test page, and of course :) perl testCodebase.pl --configFile /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/etc/www2 provides the same error as before | 05:09 |
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| @self | did you add the .conf? | 05:10 |
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| cluge | err perl testCodebase.pl --configFile /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/etc/www2.conf now :P | 05:10 |
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| @self | k :p | 05:10 |
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| @self | did you try testEnvironment.pl | 05:10 |
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| @self | b/c testCodebase is for developers testing stuff. | 05:10 |
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| cluge | totally clean | 05:10 |
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| @self | testCodebase can be destructive to your db. | 05:11 |
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| @self | clean? | 05:11 |
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| cluge | yeah, I peaked in the testCodebase, and at least it gives me a little more enlightening errors | 05:11 |
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| @self | all okay | 05:11 |
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| cluge | clean - as in all OK | 05:11 |
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| @self | --configFile The config file of the WebGUI site you'll use | 05:11 |
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| @self | to test the codebase. Note that you should not | 05:11 |
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| @self | use a production config file as some tests may | 05:11 |
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| @self | be destructive. | 05:11 |
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| @self | um | 05:13 |
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| @self | what webgui version is your site db | 05:13 |
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| cluge | this is a fresh install | 05:13 |
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| @self | oh ok. | 05:13 |
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| @self | default create.sql | 05:14 |
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| cluge | Yep | 05:14 |
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| @self | ignore the results of the testCodebase | 05:14 |
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| @self | did testEnvironment.pl find your config file? | 05:14 |
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| @self | oh, of course not. | 05:15 |
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| @self | b/c your config file isn't under | 05:15 |
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| cluge | no I changed the testEnvironment path so that it could find it :) | 05:15 |
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| @self | oh ok. | 05:15 |
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| @self | just to confirm | 05:16 |
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| cluge | yep | 05:17 |
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| @self | does testEnvironment output "Verifying database connection" | 05:17 |
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| cluge | yes | 05:17 |
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| cluge | which is why my forehead hurts | 05:18 |
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| * self is installing 2005 Dec 02 Longhorn Server build 5270. | 05:18 |
| @self | on a virtual machine. | 05:18 |
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| * cluge is sorry for self | 05:18 |
| * cluge likes his puns | 05:18 |
| -!- self is now known as self_ | 05:18 |
| -!- self_ is now known as freenodeAdmin | 05:19 |
| @freenodeAdmin | anyway. | 05:19 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | okay. | 05:19 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | did you add the PerlInitHandler line? | 05:20 |
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| cluge | yes | 05:20 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | paste the vhost | 05:20 |
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| -!- snapcount [i=snapcoun@64-193-14-144.dtb.clearwire-dns.net] has quit [] | 05:21 |
| @freenodeAdmin | here's mine. | 05:22 |
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| cluge | <VirtualHost 209.208.36.150:80> | 05:22 |
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| cluge | ServerName www2.flaglermoms.com | 05:22 |
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| cluge | DocumentRoot /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/www | 05:22 |
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| cluge | Alias /extras /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/WebGUI/www/extras | 05:22 |
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| cluge | SetHandler perl-script | 05:22 |
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| cluge | PerlInitHandler WebGUI | 05:22 |
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| cluge | PerlSetVar WebguiConfig www2.conf | 05:22 |
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| cluge | PerlRequire /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl | 05:22 |
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| cluge | ErrorLog /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/logs/error_log | 05:22 |
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| cluge | CustomLog /var/www/www2.flaglermoms.com/logs/access_log combined | 05:22 |
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| cluge | </VirtualHost> | 05:22 |
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| -!- snapcount [i=snapcoun@64-193-14-144.dtb.clearwire-dns.net] has joined #webgui | 05:22 |
| cluge | BAH | 05:22 |
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| cluge | I see the f&*@#&*@* problem | 05:22 |
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| cluge | brb | 05:22 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | your conf file really needs to be in $webguiRoot.'../etc/' | 05:23 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | crythias: see the problem with not using /data/ ? ;p | 05:23 |
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| @crythias | wow | 05:24 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | crythias: j/k | 05:24 |
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| @crythias | and why is webgui under a domain instead ... | 05:24 |
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| cluge | yeah | 05:24 |
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| cluge | no worries | 05:24 |
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| cluge | works like a charm now | 05:24 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | oh good. | 05:24 |
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| cluge | the problem was simple | 05:24 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | what was it. | 05:25 |
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| cluge | I had 2 different perl preloads | 05:25 |
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| snapcount | &op | 05:25 |
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| cluge | one that I thought was commetted out wasn't | 05:25 |
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| cluge | the comment was one line off | 05:25 |
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| @crythias | oops | 05:25 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | so you have 6.8.3 up and running? | 05:25 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 05:25 |
| cluge | Yes | 05:25 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | Congratulations! | 05:25 |
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| cluge | looks like a small path issue with extras | 05:25 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | the installation is not trivial. | 05:25 |
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| cluge | but I can fix that | 05:25 |
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| * crythias does a fancy dance. | 05:25 |
| * freenodeAdmin quotes from /home. | 05:26 |
| cluge | I've done it so many times, that when this one stuck me, I thought I was going crazy | 05:26 |
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| @crythias | FNC DNCR | 05:26 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | NUD DNCR | 05:26 |
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| @crythias | ITZABOY | 05:26 |
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| @crythias | HUZLINE | 05:27 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | STRCHMRKS | 05:27 |
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| @snapcount | SKIDMRK | 05:28 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | BASHQUOT | 05:28 |
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| cluge | ok thank you guys | 05:28 |
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| @crythias | :) | 05:28 |
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| cluge | I'll go finish the rest of it | 05:28 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | have fun | 05:28 |
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| @snapcount | may the force be with you | 05:28 |
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| cluge | guess I just needed to have a second set of eyes | 05:28 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | FORCEME | 05:28 |
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| @crythias | Peace and long life | 05:28 |
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| @snapcount | hehe | 05:28 |
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| @snapcount | live long and prosper | 05:29 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | PERLDOC | 05:29 |
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| cluge | Live long and prosper - AND - may you live in interesting times | 05:29 |
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| @crythias | PODWRTR | 05:29 |
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| @snapcount | whoa | 05:29 |
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| @crythias | 2DA GD 2DI | 05:29 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | 2GA4U | 05:30 |
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| @crythias | ^URTYPE | 05:30 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | BUTT ER ? | 05:31 |
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| @crythias | PARKAY | 05:31 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | MARYKAY | 05:31 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | MILKME | 05:32 |
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| @snapcount | BUTT RKT | 05:32 |
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| @snapcount | (.wmv) | 05:32 |
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| @crythias | TIMWSTR | 05:32 |
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| @crythias | or .. TYMWSTR | 05:32 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | IRC LRKR | 05:32 |
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| @snapcount | BUNGHLE | 05:32 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | aw; c'mon; they've gotta get by the censors. | 05:33 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | so there have to be 2 meanings. | 05:33 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | plausible deniability. | 05:33 |
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| @snapcount | !g bunghole | 05:33 |
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| @WRE | Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=bunghole&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp | 05:33 |
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| @crythias | TPS RPRT | 05:33 |
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| @snapcount | it's where the whiskey comes out of | 05:33 |
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| @snapcount | duh | 05:33 |
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| @crythias | yeah | 05:33 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | oh. | 05:34 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | didn't know. | 05:34 |
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| @crythias | Wizard of Id | 05:34 |
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| @snapcount | BUNG PLG | 05:34 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | there you go. | 05:34 |
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| @snapcount | (that stops the whiskey from coming out) | 05:34 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | obviously. | 05:34 |
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| @crythias | FUJ STPR | 05:34 |
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| @crythias | too bad? | 05:34 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | ENMA BAG | 05:34 |
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| @snapcount | gross | 05:35 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | yeah. | 05:35 |
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| @snapcount | that crossed the line | 05:35 |
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| @crythias | KLOSTME | 05:35 |
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| * freenodeAdmin ashamedly backs back over the line. | 05:35 |
| @snapcount | nice | 05:35 |
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| @snapcount | MR HNKY | 05:35 |
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| @crythias | XMASPOO | 05:36 |
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| @crythias | COF A LNG | 05:37 |
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| @crythias | SNZN WZN | 05:38 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | PPING TOM | 05:38 |
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| @snapcount | CRCH ROT | 05:38 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | LONRWIFE | 05:40 |
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| @crythias | VOYEUR | 05:40 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | DOCBRWN | 05:41 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | OUTTATIME | 05:41 |
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| @crythias | BTTF123 | 05:41 |
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| @crythias | FLUXCAP | 05:41 |
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| @snapcount | DBL HELX | 05:41 |
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| @crythias | EINSTIN | 05:41 |
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| @crythias | GENETICS | 05:42 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | MSFT HTR | 05:42 |
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| @crythias | I CLONE U | 05:42 |
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| @snapcount | U CLNE ME | 05:43 |
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| @crythias | WMF VIRII | 05:43 |
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| @crythias | I'm schizophrenic... and so am I. | 05:43 |
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| @crythias | I got fired at my job at an OJ factory. I couldn't concentrate. | 05:44 |
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| @crythias | I got fired at my job at a doorknob factory. Couldn't get a handle on it. | 05:44 |
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| @crythias | Then there was the fire hydrant factory. Didn't know where to park. | 05:45 |
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| @crythias | What did the grape say when the elephant sat on it? Nothing. it just let out a little wine. | 05:46 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | topic WebGUI vs. WebPhooey | 05:51 |
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| @crythias | php is SO much faster | 05:53 |
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| @crythias | and everyone else is doing it! | 05:53 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | php is the bomb. | 06:06 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | la BOMBA | 06:06 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | U8BOOGR | 06:12 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | SMSHBROS | 06:14 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | PPLEATR | 06:17 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | NCROPHIL | 06:19 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | you still there, cluge? | 06:19 |
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| -!- rizen [n=rizen@c-67-184-239-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 06:25 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by xdanger | 06:25 |
| @rizen | how many bots do we have on here? | 06:25 |
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| @snapcount | at least one million | 06:29 |
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| @snapcount | give or take 999,998 | 06:29 |
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| @snapcount | !bash | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 4198| <RevQuixo> i want a mario game where you do actual plumbing | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 4198| <RevQuixo> oh, did i mention i was gay? | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | it's funny the number of people then that are just squatting here | 06:30 |
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| @snapcount | I think there are two bots | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | i wonder if that's true for the irc channels of other projects | 06:30 |
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| @snapcount | the rest are real | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | !bat | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | !bash | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7005| <Rikhei> I am *not* a pricktease | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7005| <K`shandra> oh - you follow through. Okay. ;-) | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | !bang | 06:30 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | !bash | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <skatoni> will some one please help | 06:30 |
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| @rizen | so what is special about bash | 06:30 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <shev> ya? | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <skatoni> there is a guy hacking into my computer | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <shev> unplug your modem | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <skatoni> how? | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <shev> see those wires behind your computer? | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| <shev> rip'em all out | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7065| *** skatoni has quit IRC (Read error to skatoni[ppp012.rosenet.net]: Connection reset by peer) | 06:31 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | !bash | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7526| <Cerebus> when i go on a rampage killing all women on the planet, i'll spare you | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7526| <yunicus> yer a dear heart | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7526| <yunicus> really | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | |bash 7526| <yunicus> please leave me with a bunch of stinky men | 06:31 |
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| @snapcount | !gg webgui support | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | Webgui error: Unexpected Error: Shutti @ http://groups.google.com/group/alt.satellite.direcpc/browse_thread/thread/2b8af6a8fbaa12b8 | Bug#139749: preliminary webgui package @ http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/a19e27b73171c21e | Opinions sought: PHP+MySQL CMS @ http://groups.google.com/group/aus.computers.linux/browse_thread/thread/e0b172cfad7c47e8 | 06:31 |
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| @snapcount | !seen rizen | 06:31 |
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| @WRE | snapcount, rizen is right here! | 06:31 |
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| @rizen | !seen snapcount | 06:32 |
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| @WRE | rizen, snapcount is right here! | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | !seen mdawg | 06:32 |
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| @WRE | rizen, I don't remember seeing mdawg. | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | !seen perlDreamer | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | oop, i killed him | 06:32 |
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| @snapcount | he doesn't know you | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | !seen me | 06:32 |
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| @WRE | rizen, I don't remember seeing me. | 06:32 |
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| @snapcount | you pissed him off by asking so many questions | 06:32 |
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| @rizen | !seen perlDreamer | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | he just doesn't like me asking about perlDreamer | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | !seen perldreamer | 06:33 |
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| @snapcount | !horoscope aquarius | 06:33 |
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| @WRE | Aquarius; <span id="intelliTxt">No matter how tempting, don't succumb to shopping sprees, second helpings or any other temptations that you know you'll have to pay for later. You're not the best judge of what's good for you right now.</span> | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | !seen mother | 06:33 |
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| @WRE | rizen, I don't remember seeing mother. | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | !help | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | !man | 06:33 |
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| @rizen | how do i get a command list? | 06:34 |
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| @snapcount | "/msg WRE help" | 06:34 |
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| @rizen | i can't /msg | 06:34 |
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| @rizen | at least not with this client | 06:34 |
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| @snapcount | really? | 06:34 |
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| @snapcount | what client? | 06:34 |
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| @rizen | it's an IM client | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | that happens to also connect to irc | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | it's called Fire | 06:35 |
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| @snapcount | at least the name doesn't suck | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | it's pretty cool for most things | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | just not very good at irc | 06:35 |
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| @snapcount | ahh | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | i can do some basic stuff | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | with irc | 06:35 |
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| @rizen | i can click on my own name | 06:36 |
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| * rizen can emote | 06:36 |
| * rizen can change nick | 06:36 |
| * rizen can change topic | 06:36 |
| * rizen can kick | 06:36 |
| * rizen promote/demote | 06:36 |
| @rizen | etc | 06:36 |
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| @rizen | but can't do any other /commands | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | if it's not available through right clicking | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | then it's not available | 06:37 |
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| @snapcount | ahh | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | cool | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | it has text to speech | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | i just enabled it | 06:37 |
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| @rizen | so it now tells me whatever you say | 06:38 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | he killed Kenny | 06:38 |
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| @snapcount | you are gay | 06:38 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+v WRE] by rizen | 06:38 |
| @rizen | this rocks | 06:39 |
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| @rizen | i can have it read back the entire log to me | 06:39 |
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| @snapcount | "Four score and seven years ago..." | 06:39 |
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| @snapcount | well, I'm still learning this bot | 06:40 |
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| @rizen | !swear | 06:40 |
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| @snapcount | "!g something" will do a google search for something | 06:40 |
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| @rizen | !g cars | 06:40 |
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| @snapcount | "!gg" google groups | 06:40 |
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| @WRE | Advanced Search @ /url?sa=U&start=1&si=0&oi=smap&q=http://www.cars.com/go/search/advanced_search.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&aff=national | Google Book Search @ http://books.google.com/books?q=cars&hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=wp | 06:40 |
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| @snapcount | "!gb" google books | 06:41 |
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| @snapcount | .wx will do weather | 06:41 |
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| @snapcount | but it's broken right now | 06:41 |
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| @snapcount | it will op people, kick them, ban them, etc | 06:41 |
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| @snapcount | !traffic | 06:42 |
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| @rizen | !traffic | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | .wx | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | !wx | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | !kill snapcount | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | !kick snapcount | 06:44 |
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| @rizen | !fuck snapcount | 06:44 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has joined #webgui | 06:46 |
| perlDreamer | mighty quiet tonight | 06:47 |
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| @snapcount | &kick rizen | 06:47 |
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| -!- rizen was kicked from #WebGUI by WRE [Requested by snapcount] | 06:47 |
| @snapcount | this is great | 06:47 |
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| @snapcount | &chaninfo | 06:48 |
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| @snapcount | &info | 06:50 |
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| @snapcount | !info | 06:50 |
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| -!- perlDreamer [n=colink@199.107.160.242] has quit ["Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/"] | 06:51 |
| -!- rizen [n=rizen@c-67-184-239-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #webgui | 06:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o rizen] by xdanger | 06:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by rizen | 06:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 06:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [-o snapcount] by rizen | 06:58 |
| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 06:58 |
| @rizen | &kick snapcount | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | doood | 06:58 |
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| @rizen | this bot sux | 06:58 |
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| @snapcount | it doesn't listen to you | 06:59 |
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| @snapcount | I don't know how to make it listen to you is the funny part | 06:59 |
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| @snapcount | we should set our bots to fight one another | 06:59 |
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| @snapcount | robot warz | 06:59 |
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| @crythias | /msg nickserv register <password> | 07:00 |
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| @snapcount | random? | 07:00 |
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| @crythias | JT: ask snapcount. msg is turned off by default. | 07:01 |
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| @snapcount | I'm so lost right now | 07:01 |
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| @crythias | sorry | 07:01 |
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| @crythias | it was phobia | 07:01 |
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| @crythias | phobia: *** Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) | 07:01 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | you can turn that off | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | "/msg nickserv unfiltered on" | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | no quotes | 07:02 |
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| @crythias | JT was saying that the /msg didn't work.... | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | oh | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | that's his client | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | it sux0rz | 07:02 |
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| @crythias | don't know. my /msg isn't working on gaim, either. | 07:02 |
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| @snapcount | he's using Mac earth wind and fire or something | 07:03 |
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| @crythias | Fire. | 07:03 |
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| @crythias | I heard that there is another adium or something that is better.?? | 07:03 |
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| @snapcount | I know zero about mac | 07:03 |
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| @snapcount | except that it runs on top of a BSD variant | 07:04 |
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| @snapcount | which makes it a little cool | 07:04 |
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| @WRE | I didn't get a control panel for christmas <tear> | 07:05 |
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| @rizen | yeah, i'm using fire | 07:05 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | "...mommy and daddy.... are mad..." | 07:05 |
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| @rizen | i was using adium | 07:05 |
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| @WRE | JT is mean to me | 07:05 |
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| @rizen | did you make the bot cry? | 07:06 |
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| @WRE | I'm not crying | 07:06 |
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| @WRE | Would you like to play a game? | 07:06 |
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| @crythias | gnite. | 07:06 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | game | 07:06 |
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| @WRE | How about a nice game of Tic-Tac-Toe? | 07:07 |
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| @crythias | Let's play globalthermonuclear war | 07:07 |
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| @snapcount | he's desperately searching for a client that doesn't suck | 07:07 |
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| @snapcount | !seen rizen | 07:15 |
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| @WRE | rizen (n=rizen@c-67-184-239-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net) was last seen parting #WebGUI 7 minutes ago stating "{}". | 07:15 |
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| snapcount | &op | 07:17 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+o snapcount] by WRE | 07:17 |
| @freenodeAdmin | !bash 117002 | 07:19 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <YuFFie> SO U HACKING ME THEN HUH | 07:19 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <YuFFie> WElL I GOT NEWS FOR U MISTER I GOT MORE FIREWALL POWERS NOW SO IM SECURE AND IM USING WINDOWS 98 SO IM REALLY SECURE FROM HACKERS LIKE YOU SO YOU BETTA JUST GIVE UP CUZ U GOT NO HOPE MISTER. | 07:19 |
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| @WRE | |bash| * YuFFie (~mirc@3B942731.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) Quit (Quit: Owned.) | 07:19 |
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| @WRE | |bash| * YuFFie (~mirc@3B942731.dsl.stlsmo.swbell.net) has joined # | 07:19 |
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| @WRE | |bash| <YuFFie> HELP MY MOUSE IS MOVING BY IT SELF | 07:19 |
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| @freenodeAdmin | !bash 580162 | 07:21 |
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| @WRE | !bash: quote has too many lines to display in public channel (max 12, quote has 23): sending as privmsg instead | 07:21 |
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| @snapcount | !find myBallz | 07:26 |
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| @snapcount | !seen myBallz | 07:26 |
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| @WRE | snapcount, I don't remember seeing myballz. | 07:26 |
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| @snapcount | !seen yourBallz | 07:27 |
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| @WRE | snapcount, I don't remember seeing yourballz. | 07:27 |
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| lonki | morning | 09:31 |
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| mdawg | ah, the usual suspects arrive. | 16:23 |
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| crythias | COF COF | 16:24 |
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| mdawg | HIC CUP | 16:25 |
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| mdawg | xbox 360 was hacked. | 16:26 |
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| mdawg | they'll have bootable linux DVDR5 iso's making the net rounds within a week or two. | 16:27 |
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| lonki | what else is new? it's microsoft :-) | 16:27 |
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| * lonki runs | 16:27 |
| lonki | good morning | 16:27 |
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| mdawg | hello. | 16:27 |
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| @xdanger | good afternoon =) | 16:28 |
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| -!- mode/#webgui [+oo crythias mdawg] by xdanger | 16:28 |
| -!- Irssi: #webgui: Total of 7 nicks [4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] | 16:28 |
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| @mdawg | anyone know how to tell mirc to show timestamps? | 16:32 |
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| @mdawg | and no, i won't rtfm. | 16:33 |
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| @crythias | don't know. don't care. Gaim does. | 16:58 |
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| lonki | what is mirc? | 17:03 |
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| @mdawg | nm | 17:05 |
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| lenthamen | hello all. | 17:12 |
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| lenthamen | I believe there's no game console that isn't hacked already ;) | 17:12 |
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| lenthamen | gaim rulez | 17:13 |
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| lenthamen | lonki: Do you have a WebGUI install on Mac available right now ? | 17:14 |
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| lonki | lenthamen, not now, I'm still in Almere :-) | 17:15 |
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| lonki | But yes, I do have one running at home | 17:16 |
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| lenthamen | lonki: Ok, because I was interested if the memory leak I have is reproducable on mac OS. | 17:16 |
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| lenthamen | As macOS is derived from BSD. | 17:17 |
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| lonki | I can test that tonight | 17:17 |
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| lonki | since I cannot ssh into that workstation, only my server | 17:18 |
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| lenthamen | ok. | 17:18 |
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| lonki | lenthamen, it is weird though, we had simular probs on linux | 17:20 |
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| lenthamen | Which kernel ? | 17:20 |
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| lonki | let me check, I though the 2.4.x | 17:21 |
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| lonki | Linux webgui 2.4.21-32.EL | 17:22 |
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| lenthamen | I'm running 2.6.9-22.ELsmp and I can't reproduce it on that box | 17:23 |
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| lonki | I will try it at home later today | 17:24 |
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| lenthamen | ok | 17:24 |
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| * lonki submits a new bug | 17:42 |
| lonki | lenthamen, will you be online tonight? I can test it somewhere around 21:00 our time | 17:50 |
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| lonki | I'm off, going home, laterzzzz | 17:51 |
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| * lenthamen has finished his working day and goes home. | 18:49 |
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| @mdawg | snapcount | 19:55 |
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| @snapcount | yes | 19:59 |
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| macOnki | hi | 20:03 |
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| @snapcount | hello | 20:03 |
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| @snapcount | mdawg: my AIM is snapc0unt if you're having troubles with dcc | 20:09 |
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| @snapcount | !bash | 20:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 9662| corpratewar: gah, why would somebody encode a song @ 28kbps | 20:20 |
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| @WRE | |bash 9662| arkain88: Thats so small it could fit through a condom. | 20:20 |
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| @snapcount | !bofh | 20:20 |
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| @WRE | BOFH Quick-excuse: Police are examining all internet packets in the search for a narco-net-traficer | 20:20 |
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| @snapcount | whoa | 20:21 |
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| @snapcount | have any of you guys seen google today? | 20:21 |
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| @snapcount | their logo is in braile | 20:21 |
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| @snapcount | the raised bumps are not translating correctly through my monitor however | 20:22 |
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| @snapcount | I can't feel them | 20:22 |
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| macOnki | !cluebat | 20:22 |
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| macOnki | :-) | 20:22 |
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| @snapcount | WRE has much to learn | 20:23 |
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| @snapcount | he is but a minimalist at present with few tricks | 20:23 |
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| @snapcount | !seen rizen | 20:28 |
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| @WRE | rizen (n=rizen@c-67-184-239-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net) was last seen parting #WebGUI 11 hours, 19 minutes ago stating "{}". | 20:28 |
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| @crythia1 | oops | 21:24 |
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| @crythia1 | !bash | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| * go_boy getting his haujobb on | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <jej> i read that as 'handjob' | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <go_boy> i assumed you would | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <jej> you can always count on me. | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <go_boy> for a handjob? | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <jej> of course. | 21:27 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10499| <go_boy> rockin. | 21:27 |
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| @crythia1 | interesting. | 21:28 |
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| @crythia1 | !help | 21:28 |
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| @crythia1 | !bash | 21:28 |
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| @WRE | |bash 10732| <Locke> Thats three nights in a row I've been awake and glanced at the clock and seen 3:14 and thought 'Hahaha, it's Pi Time. Man Pi Time, how lame, I can't believe I thought that' | 21:28 |
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| @mdawg | !bash | 21:33 |
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| @WRE | |bash 26778| <LunchPailTree> the moral of this story is: if you have no morals, go get yourself a 12 year old friend so you can fuck her after you drug her | 21:33 |
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| @crythia1 | hrm. | 21:34 |
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| @crythia1 | tasteless much? | 21:34 |
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| @mdawg | yeah. | 21:35 |
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| @mdawg | sry; not my fault. | 21:35 |
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| @mdawg | !bash | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> i hate sex. | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <niggals> WHAT?!!! WHY?!!!!!!!!!! | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> because it isn't moral and christian | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> and its killing youth | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> and its the cause for many diseases | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> and so many people who are underage are having it | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <niggals> well then how the fuck come your sn is 'oh yeah' | 21:35 |
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| @WRE | |bash 33616| <ohyeah> i can't talk to you! | 21:35 |
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| @mdawg | they just get better and better. | 21:35 |
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| @crythia1 | while your at it... fire missiles from an airplane running into a building. | 21:35 |
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| @mdawg | heh. | 21:36 |
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| @mdawg | speaking of which, I watched that whole video. | 21:36 |
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| @crythia1 | and | 21:36 |
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| @mdawg | interesting. | 21:36 |
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| @crythia1 | the flash couldn't possibly be the reflection of the plane against the windows... | 21:37 |
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| @mdawg | downloading the hires version now, to burn on a dvd for my dad. | 21:37 |
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| @mdawg | who was onioncoder | 21:37 |
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| @crythia1 | beats me. | 21:37 |
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| @crythia1 | the heck? | 21:38 |
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| macOnki | msnort, is that you lilo? | 21:39 |
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| @msnort | not lilo | 21:39 |
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| macOnki | k | 21:39 |
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| @crythia1 | matthew. | 21:39 |
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| @crythia1 | oh... kay. | 21:39 |
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| @crythia1 | !bash | 21:40 |
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| @WRE | |bash 35923| <CzarKhan> well I have like 20 pillows and two teddy-bears but it's really like alone | 21:40 |
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