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| zylopfa | Cheers Webguians! | 04:49 |
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| zylopfa | scrottie, awesome awesome awesome initiative with the kickstarter project!!! | 04:51 |
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| kaare__ | I can't | 08:40 |
| kaare__ | I can't seem to find a description of the flow through WebGUI of a web request. Does such a thing exist? | 08:41 |
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| @scrottie | hi kaare_ | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | hi zylopfa | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | I *should* have written something up on that. I took a lot of starting programmers through it. | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | content handlers first maybe. one of them serves assets. | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | not quiet here right now | 22:50 |
| kaare_ | I'm used to node based CMS'es where the node type together with the node's data defines the actions. Not sure how WebGUI knows what to do with at request. That's why I asked. | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | for each URL, there's an asset type stored in the form of the class name of the Perl package that implements it | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | but that's for assets. things happen before that gets there. one content handler does auth stuff first, for example. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | it goes down the list of content handlers listed in the .conf file and gives each a go at the request. the asset handler is just one of those. | 23:20 |
| kaare_ | So you list the urls where, in a config file? | 23:23 |
| ckotil | http://blogs.gnome.org/jnelson/2014/06/30/the-new-501c3-and-the-future-of-free-software-in-the-united-states/ | 23:25 |
| kaare_ | or how does it know that /shovel/green should invoke Foo::Bar with 'shovel' as the article and 'green' as a parameter (if it can do that)? | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | the URLs aren't in the config file. | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | if you an edit an asset, the URL is one of the fields | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | (turn admin on, and then click the "edit" link by a piece of content on the page; each individual piece of content has its own edit link) | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | usually only Page Layouts have URLs that matter | 23:49 |
| @scrottie | the system auto-generates them for content that gets added to those, though they can be edited | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | btw, in case anyone missed it: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem | 23:50 |
| kaare_ | o i c, thanks | 23:58 |
| @scrottie | sure thing | 23:59 |
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| zylopfa | Cheers webguians | 00:08 |
| @scrottie | heeeey zylopfa | 00:08 |
| zylopfa | Awesome with the kickstarter scrottie !! | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | thank you | 00:09 |
| zylopfa | I so hope it comes through | 00:09 |
| zylopfa | I donated myself ofcourse | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | double thank you | 00:09 |
| zylopfa | Tripple thanks to you! | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | I'm surprised the Perl community got behind it as much as they had | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | haha | 00:09 |
| zylopfa | I hope it will get overfunded | 00:10 |
| @scrottie | I'm trying to reach out to places that use wG now | 00:10 |
| @scrottie | or used it in the recent past | 00:10 |
| zylopfa | Its bullshit that all out there is some obscure php hacks | 00:10 |
| zylopfa | I like the aproach that you made installer for osx | 00:11 |
| zylopfa | important with the designers to get onboard also | 00:11 |
| @scrottie | doesn't support OSX yet. need to do that. but yeah. that was a much requested feature. people wanted to test and develop locally. | 00:11 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 00:11 |
| zylopfa | I use wg 7 professionlly myself for hosting | 00:11 |
| zylopfa | Havent gotten much experience with wg8 yet | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | no one seems to like the admin, and danny_mk is working on reworking that with modern JS toolkits | 00:12 |
| zylopfa | In wg7 i like the api | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | I'm hoping to be able to help him do that | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | API is really the same in 8. request/response stuff got split out a bit rather than all just being in request. | 00:13 |
| zylopfa | Ahh awesome scrottie | 00:13 |
| @scrottie | mostly stuff was directly translated to use Moose. asset definitions look like this: http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/Battleship.pm.txt | 00:13 |
| zylopfa | I am doing a CMS system atm using webgui 7, mostly I use content handlers and then jquery on the client side | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | http://www.duxclouding.dk | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | sorry i mean a CRM system | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | ah | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | all those 3 letter abbrevs | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | you should use 8. | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | yeah true | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | the API/core of 8 is pretty stable, thanks to really good unit tests. | 00:14 |
| zylopfa | Yeah the testing is awesome | 00:15 |
| @scrottie | most of the bugs are related to the admin. but actually I fixed a lot of those. | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | can i ask a novice question? | 00:15 |
| @scrottie | sweet. mind if I tell twitter about http://www.duxclouding.dk/? | 00:15 |
| @scrottie | sure thing | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | Sure go ahead scrottie | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | Why postgres? | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | Is it better than mysql? | 00:15 |
| @scrottie | I think it's a lot better, yeah. | 00:15 |
| zylopfa | awesome | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | MySQL tends to crash on busy sites. | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | there's kind of a running joke about it. | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | haaa damn | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | hahaaha thanks for the enlightenment | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | and that definitely happend a lot on some busy sites I worked on for PlainBlack. | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | and MySQL has a lot of bugs and just general lameness | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | autch! | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | there's no set of arguments you can give mysqldump that will give you a dump that you can for sure load again | 00:16 |
| zylopfa | Is it bad that oracle manages it? | 00:16 |
| @scrottie | you can dump it once and try to undump it and see that it has one problem, fix that, do it again, hit another problem, and so on, and eventually get to a point where the problem it has, you can't fix. | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | haa damnn thats bad | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | yeah, Oracle has been bad. they've been ramming features through even more quickly with less testing, and making the code quality worse. | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | things like subqueries will return incorrect results. | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | lame | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | haaa thats insane | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | so a lot of people hate MySQL. | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | yeah i can see why that is | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | I don't hate it, I just like Postgres a lot better ;) | 00:17 |
| zylopfa | Isn't postgres a better licence model also? | 00:18 |
| zylopfa | i read it was more lax | 00:18 |
| @scrottie | I don't know. different people prefer different license models so I don't know if one is always better. but I don't know Postgres' is | 00:18 |
| kaare_ | It's BSD style. | 00:18 |
| zylopfa | ahh ok | 00:19 |
| zylopfa | I realll really hope the kickstarter will go well | 00:19 |
| kaare_ | Means you can do anything with it, commercially | 00:19 |
| @scrottie | I think I prefer GPL over BSD, but I'm also not a company | 00:19 |
| @scrottie | any help spreading the word is appreciated. | 00:20 |
| kaare_ | I'm not a fan of any particular license. As long as it's open source | 00:20 |
| zylopfa | do you have many contacts in perl community scrottie ? | 00:20 |
| zylopfa | I only know myself here in denmrk, who love perl | 00:20 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I'm not part of the inner circle, but I've given talks at about five or six different YAPCs and I wrote a Perl book once. | 00:20 |
| zylopfa | Wooo sweet | 00:20 |
| kaare_ | zylopfa: Where in Denmark? | 00:20 |
| @scrottie | hrm. I've heard of a Nordic Perl Workshop but never made it there myself. not sure how many Danes go to that. | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | In copenhagen | 00:21 |
| kaare_ | scrottie: I think around 40 last attendance | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | I dont kmnow what i would so without perls regex <3 | 00:21 |
| zylopfa | build in and easy accessible in the language | 00:21 |
| kaare_ | zylopfa: We are a few Danish Perlers :-) | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | not some shit you need to create objects on first | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | Oiii nicee kaare_ !!! | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | Good to see!! | 00:22 |
| kaare_ | You have Perl work, or it's a personal interest? | 00:22 |
| zylopfa | Yeah i got m y own company, working on a CRM system at the moment, using webgui 7's api | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | http://newdesign.pd.duxclouding.dk/ | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | its a system to manage small business's | 00:23 |
| zylopfa | with invoicing, bills, mail system, dashboard, work plan etc. | 00:24 |
| kaare_ | Nice login box there :-) | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | Not using wobjects though , but using the auth system, group system and content manager etc. | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | haa thanks | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | the main site to show it is: http://www.duxclouding.dk | 00:24 |
| kaare_ | ok, so how's business? | 00:24 |
| zylopfa | Its ok but not much perl work other than the project i work on | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | I've seen some really large wG sites built mostly out of content handlers. and surveys, in one case. | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | I like the auith api and the group api | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | and many of the other nifty features | 00:25 |
| zylopfa | Each customer of my crm system, has his own webgui site | 00:26 |
| @scrottie | I did a talk once on using wG as an app framework. having accounts, messaging system, groups, password recovery, etc out of the box saves a lot of time re-inventing wheels. | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | so i have scripts that setup email and the domain etc. | 00:26 |
| @scrottie | huh | 00:26 |
| zylopfa | You can see the underlying crm system, here, its not much there yet, its being re-designed | 00:30 |
| zylopfa | http://newdesign.pd.duxclouding.dk | 00:30 |
| zylopfa | login: test password: passw0rd0 | 00:30 |
| kaare_ | Svend Tveskæg is your customer? Cool! | 00:32 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah good old test data! | 00:32 |
| zylopfa | I madre a complete mail system for it also, kinda like gmail | 00:33 |
| zylopfa | so it can handle corporate mail | 00:33 |
| zylopfa | But its not up in the new design yet | 00:33 |
| zylopfa | Mannnnyyy quirks when making a mailsystem :( | 00:33 |
| kaare_ | scrottie: How many corporate customers using WebGUI do you know of? | 00:33 |
| kaare_ | Coukd you approach some of them to sponsor your request? | 00:34 |
| kaare_ | zylopfa: Been there. Don't want to go there again :-! | 00:34 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah!! | 00:35 |
| zylopfa | and ofc m$ has its own format for mail attachments called .dat or somehing where they package atachments, so have to handle that also | 00:35 |
| kaare_ | handling MIME and especially Microsofts versions of same | 00:36 |
| zylopfa | indeed! | 00:36 |
| zylopfa | Think I ironed most of the things out, got 10 beta customers on it now | 00:36 |
| zylopfa | been running a year with 1 big customer | 00:36 |
| zylopfa | And handeling all sorts of webmail that is not following the standard to the letter | 00:37 |
| zylopfa | not specifying encoding and the like | 00:37 |
| kaare_ | Being a perlist you should use qpsmtpd for smtp, btw | 00:38 |
| zylopfa | kaare_, when the company gets mail, it also handle any attachents and OCR scan them, so the data can be used in the invoice system | 00:39 |
| zylopfa | when the company gets bills in the mail | 00:39 |
| kaare_ | zylopfa: Impressive! | 00:39 |
| zylopfa | then it automatically ocr scan it and put the data in the billing module, so they can be signed off on | 00:39 |
| zylopfa | And every mail as it comes in gets attached to a customer in the system | 00:40 |
| zylopfa | so you can always see in the customer profile the correspondance | 00:40 |
| zylopfa | and you can see if its reply to one of the bills you send to customers or if its reply to a quote you gave the customer | 00:41 |
| zylopfa | everything gets auto-labeled so you can always track it | 00:42 |
| kaare_ | Nice talking to you guys. I've got some things to do before nightie night. So l8r | 00:46 |
| zylopfa | take care kaare_ nice to meet a danish perlie!! | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | later kaare_! | 00:46 |
| kaare_ | And zylopfa, check in on cph.pm sometime. Or perhaps we can talk business. | 00:46 |
| zylopfa | sure thign! will do! | 00:47 |
| zylopfa | thanks a lot | 00:47 |
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| @scrottie | howdy, vanstyn | 22:15 |
| vanstyn | howdy :) | 22:16 |
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| jabberwok | all mimsy were the borogoves! Greetings, all | 15:08 |
| jabberwok | Topic is broken. http://wiki.webgui.org --> 404 ?? And http://webgui.pastebin.com seems to go just to pastebin. | 15:15 |
| ckotil | yeah the vhost looks busted for the wiki. however, http://www.webgui.org/wiki | 16:08 |
| ckotil | and the pastebin.com url is just a wildcard it looks like http://jabberwok.pastebin.com | 16:08 |
| jabberwok | gracias, mi amigo. ... i've been a WordPress sorta-developer for a few years now and am itching to get back to Perl. WP is going in all the wrong directions imho. and ruby-on-rails fried my brain for a few months, run away sir robin! | 16:12 |
| ckotil | webgui is a solid platform. the sky is the limit to what you can accomplish. and it's all perl :) | 16:13 |
| ckotil | there hasnt been much new development work on it however. | 16:14 |
| jabberwok | https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem ... i've known scrottie since FreeBSD 3 days, we worked on a few projects before the .com_bust | 16:16 |
| jabberwok | i moved from phx to jacksonville florida and find that the .pm here has been moribund for years, ... i'm out to change that | 16:18 |
| ckotil | mmm scrottie | 16:19 |
| ckotil | heck yeah. he's a good guy | 16:19 |
| ckotil | has helped me out a lot over the years in here | 16:19 |
| jabberwok | still trying to wrap my brain around Moose and all the "new" perl-isms | 16:32 |
| ckotil | i installed 8 pry 2-3 yrs ago now. never did anything with it. im an 8 noob | 16:33 |
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| @scrottie | do people read the topic ever anywhere anymore? | 17:53 |
| -!- scrottie changed the topic of #webgui to: Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com Wiki: http://webgui.org/wiki Ask, we're lonely | 17:53 | |
| @scrottie | jabberwok was talking about working on a WB->wG converter, which would be awesome. I think Paul Driver or haarg or someone *started* one but I dont' remember who. | 17:55 |
| @scrottie | did anyone happen to notice on the forums? | 17:55 |
| jabberwok | re: topic, cheers scrottie. | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, if you have some time, maybe ask around? that would be an awesome bit of hype fuel for the Kickstarter | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | I love the thing that make people go "oh, shit" like that | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | I gave an Atari 2600 programming talk, and then in the comments, showed off Perl->6502 code translation | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | just to try to convince people I was crazy | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | then they learn to pay attention =) | 18:00 |
| @scrottie | so we need this. | 18:00 |
| @scrottie | speaking of crazy, I have to walk over to the motorcycle shop to talk to them about Princess TinyCar that I left parked in their lot | 18:00 |
| @scrottie | bbiaf, one way or another | 18:00 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. | 18:49 |
| * ToApolytoXaos added webgui channel to favorites ;) | 18:49 | |
| ckotil | hi | 18:49 |
| -!- ichesnokov_ is now known as ichesnokov | 18:55 | |
| ichesnokov | hi | 18:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i am still learning Perl but it's not that hard comparing other languages I have used already. Thus far, I can honestly say I *think* I now understand how archaeologists feel when they discover a new script and try to decipher it; that's how i feel with Perl. every single character has a meaning and you better understand its logic; that's wickedly brilliant! | 18:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | btw, is there a suggestion page anywhere online to share a few thoughts? | 18:59 |
| ichesnokov | about what? | 19:00 |
| ichesnokov | webgui or Perl itself? :) | 19:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | things that wG could adapt and attract new people | 19:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | as a well known and inspiring figure once said (Steve Jobs that is), "if there is no need, create one; we call it cult!" | 19:02 |
| ToApolytoXaos | let's see how can we attract people: what most of us, human beings, adore is usually a good looking shinny object; either that is a pair of shoes, a car, a furniture. | 19:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | WordPress conceived that need quite early and introduced it in the form of theme. wG is admitted doing so, but based on official website, the site looks...old :/ | 19:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i would like, with the first chance i start feeling comfortable with my Perl knowledge, to import existing themes from WordPress to wG. | 19:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | this way i could start making a living offering my theming services lol | 19:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but i haven't found an article with wG's syntax. | 19:07 |
| ichesnokov | I'm wondering why scrottie's kickstarter campaign is not in this channel's topic | 19:10 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i have it opened and just read it | 19:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the description is brilliant, but the video not very convincing lol | 19:13 |
| ichesnokov | heh, right. | 19:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm not a designer, but i think the official website should change to a flat design URGENTLY | 19:13 |
| ichesnokov | As I understand the official owner (plain black corp) does not give a s..t. | 19:14 |
| ckotil | i wonder what they're doing these days to stay relevant | 19:16 |
| ckotil | bc im sure the webgui support contracts are drying up | 19:16 |
| ichesnokov | I also dislike that the site constantly states that installing webgui is hard. If I'd had a plain list of "apt-get install $something" and a list of Perl packages that should be installed directly from CPAN, I'd install it in 5 minutes. | 19:20 |
| ckotil | wre ftw | 19:21 |
| ckotil | i did the source thing for a while tho | 19:21 |
| ichesnokov | wre is only for CentOS, isn't it? | 19:22 |
| ckotil | they offer a 32bit build for centos | 19:22 |
| ichesnokov | Sounds funny these days. | 19:22 |
| ckotil | but there is a guide to build it from source for centos and ubuntu | 19:22 |
| ckotil | i was in the middle of building the latest for 64bit centos, when our openstack cluster went tits up | 19:22 |
| ckotil | Dell is replacing the mobo tomororw | 19:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how about scrottie ask Plain Black Corp to either transfer rights to a free foundation so community start evolving? | 19:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | because frankly as things currently are, are not the best imho | 19:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | in worst case scenario is to do what he had suggested in kickstarter by forking the project | 19:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | In my opinion that should have been in the first place | 19:29 |
| ichesnokov | Btw, how do I start Spectre if I did a source install? | 19:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | first create the new project with a catchy name, then create a foundation around it in order to protect it, and then start bringing in people and money | 19:30 |
| ichesnokov | Ok, found it in the docs. | 19:39 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, yeah, I'm not super great at video and stuff. I need to try to redo that. but that was take about #30. | 19:49 |
| @scrottie | some of the earlier ones were less smooth but had more energy | 19:49 |
| @scrottie | help welcome too | 19:49 |
| @scrottie | re: what PlainBlack is doing these days, they did thegamecrafter.com and a few other cool things | 19:50 |
| @scrottie | client development work is okay, and supporting an open source system commercialy is okay, but creating your own ideas is better. | 19:50 |
| -!- scrottie changed the topic of #webgui to: http://webgui.pastebin.com to share code, http://webgui.org/wiki for docs, https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem to finish wG8 | 19:51 | |
| @scrottie | since you requested =) | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | I can't solve every problem at once, and fixing webgui.org is lower on my list of priorities than making wG itself look good. if I do that, PB could theoretically upgrade. | 19:55 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, do tests currently pass (on any branch)? | 19:56 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i think it would be wiser to fork wG and continue as you wish without depending on a corporation or any form of company | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, perhaps. I'm not in a hurry to do that. and asking for funding for six months is already ambitious. perhaps too ambitious. | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | the thing is, I have to eat too. | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | it's easy to say "I'm going to fix everything", but actually doing it requires resources. | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i don't disagree with this; on the contrary, i understand exactly your point and how you feel about it | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | what I'm hoping to see is if I can get a few basics taken care of and do some coordination, then other people can step up and help with things -- designing a replacement for webgui.org and things like that | 19:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | true | 19:58 |
| * ichesnokov is trying to run tests on master... and gets a bunch of failed ones | 19:59 | |
| ToApolytoXaos | but for sure i can honestly say people would pay a visit to official website and be like "naaah, not looking good; plus it's in Perl!" | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for some reason people adapted the "ugly" with Perl in web terms lol | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | yeah, tests aren't fantastic. Doug kept breaking things (fixing, breaking, fixing, breaking) | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | and generally not finishing it. | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | scope creep. | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | the kickstarter needs a kick in the pants. | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | jaberwok's proposed wordpress->wg upgarder might do that. | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | generate some buzz. | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | I've been trying to reach out to various major Perl using hosting companies trying to get them to buy in, in their own interest, but they're not talking to me. | 20:00 |
| ckotil | we're an all perl shop | 20:02 |
| ckotil | http://globalnoc.iu.edu | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, my logic was that hosting places like Pair make a lot of money hosting WordPress sites for people. if they helped fund wG8 and the wG8 community dev site (to be created) featured their banner, that could create business for them. but apparently they don't see it that way. still, if IU wants to support this, they're more than welcome to. | 20:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, people tend to sell "look" and not functionality. at least, that's the logic wordpress is using. that's why you see everywhere wordpress "experts" all over the place. | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, absolutely. luckily, some people like ckotil have themed wG beautifully. | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | would you like to put together a placeholder community site? | 20:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | moi? | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | yup =) | 20:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | like, where exactly? | 20:06 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, are you going to release v8 as a result of you campaign? | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokog, yes. | 20:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i mean, you have a specific location or you mean to create a site and create community around it? | 20:06 |
| ckotil | scrottie: yeah, it would be nice for big names to buy into wG (again) | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, your name is hard to type. I'm thinking: you create something like this: http://www.hipstersandhamptonites.com/ or whatever looks good. tell the story visually and briefly. I can register a domain. | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | building community is part of the kickstarter. | 20:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, what IRC client are you using? does not it support tab completion? lol | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | irc-II | 20:08 |
| ichesnokov | hm, yeah, it's really not so hard to type - it's just to<tab> :) | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | incidentally, a friend is working on this: https://powerbulletin.com/ | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, goal is to finish the installer I started (it mostly worked but probably needs attention; danny_mk has videos of it in action on youtube), make wG8 look nice (update themes and rework admin, collaborating with danny_mk) | 20:09 |
| @scrottie | fix major bugs (actually I fixed a lot of bugs in the current admin... it might actually be usable now... feedback welcome) | 20:10 |
| @scrottie | and get a community development process going | 20:10 |
| @scrottie | which mostly means cheerleading and documenting things and empowering people | 20:10 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, is it okay if i continue with my Perl education so I could feel more confident about my knowledge and then offer my help? | 20:10 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, out of interest - why do you think the installer is needed - why not to install everything manually using just apt-get and e.g. cpanm / Makefile.PL? | 20:10 |
| @scrottie | giving people like ckotil and danny_mk commit bits to the community repo | 20:11 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, it has to do things like load a mysql database (which includes installing mysql/maria/percona using the system package manager), replacing ImageMagick with somethuing that *can* be installed reliably (that's a huge problem spot right now), running wG upgrades (needed even on a fresh wG8 install) | 20:12 |
| ichesnokov | Hmm, ok. | 20:12 |
| @scrottie | replacing ImageMagick is the hold up on putting things on CPAN | 20:12 |
| @scrottie | so, lots of fussy little things that we've wanted to do for years but haven't gotten to | 20:12 |
| ichesnokov | Yeah, I know that installing ImageMagick from CPAN can be a problem. | 20:13 |
| ichesnokov | (although it's usually possible to use a package manager) | 20:13 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, how could I contribute? | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | yeah. the Perl module has to track the exact apt/yum version or it won't build. | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, contributions to the kickstarter are welcome, of course, but as far as code, making a good looking portal (which I suggested for ToApolytoXaos since they thought it was important) would be good | 20:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay. let me continue with my learning process with Perl and I will be around wG, have no worries about it | 20:15 |
| @scrottie | someone started a WordPress->wG importer (convert your WordPress site to a wG one). I don't remember who. it was one of my old coworkers at PlainBlack. tracking that down on github and finishing it (or getting it to a good stopping point and documenting its limitations) would be really awesome | 20:15 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, I think I could write some code to make wG 8 closer. | 20:15 |
| @scrottie | I want to take advantage of mst's work on deployment systems and my installer logic to create a web site where you type in your hostname, username, and password, and it ssh's in and install wG for you =) | 20:16 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, cool. http://webgui.org/8 is the bug tracker. http://github.com/scrottie/webgui (master branch) is the closest we have to a community repo at the moment. fork that and send me pull requests. | 20:16 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, but I take it the newest branch is WebGUI8, right? | 20:17 |
| @scrottie | help with the installer would be most welcome. the link to it is on the kickstarter at https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem. that's in a gist on github right now. | 20:17 |
| @scrottie | correct. master is wG8 | 20:17 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, why not to add an installer to a separate branch btw? | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | that's a good idea. | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | btw, historically, there was a "webgui runtime environment" -- a cross-Linux self contained build of all of the deps | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | build from source | 20:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | question: if rights are the installing issue with ImageMagick, how about using perlbrew? should not this resolve this? i hope i'm not talking nonsense here. | 20:20 |
| @scrottie | it took a lot of work to maintain that. one of the documented install processes uses that. so part of the work is getting rid of references to that and deps on that, which includes various scripts | 20:20 |
| @scrottie | does perlbrew wrange Debian/CentOS packages? even if it did, it couldn't really fix version mismatches | 20:21 |
| ichesnokov | ToApolytoXaos, perlbrew allows to manage different versions of Perl, I'm not sure how it can help installing ImageMagick | 20:22 |
| @scrottie | actually, as with a lot of things, someone started the work. in one of wG forks on github, I think it was haarg mostly replaced ImageMagick with Imager | 20:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i haven't used it myself; just read more about it online, but i guess it's like virtualenv for Python and RVM for Ruby | 20:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ichesnokov, it ImageMagick needs admin rights, perlbrew won't need them in order to install it | 20:23 |
| @scrottie | help tracking down these pieces and finishing them would be awesokme | 20:23 |
| ichesnokov | ToApolytoXaos, you'll need admin rights to install ImageMagick headers I think. | 20:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay. my current Perl level is at hashes :D does this count or my past PHP knowledge could help a bit? | 20:24 |
| ichesnokov | ToApolytoXaos, no, it only hurts :D | 20:24 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, how are you with git? | 20:24 |
| ichesnokov | (PHP knowledge, i mean) | 20:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, i'm a git for sure! LOL | 20:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, to use git you mean? i'm doing kind of good, but i'm scared of its merge procedure | 20:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | and these >>>>> <<<<< characters if you do something wrong | 20:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | hate my guts of it | 20:25 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:25 |
| @scrottie | I think there are visual tools to do merges | 20:25 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, another idea that came into my mind is to add a couple of wiki pages to GitHub, documenting some steps: installing (either manually or using a tool, or both), testing etc. | 20:26 |
| @scrottie | but I'm not proposing making you do that | 20:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i haven't tested it under Debian | 20:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | slowly-slowly and i will be using wG exclusively | 20:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | even though i really want to see this project with a different name | 20:26 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, let's keep using the webgui.org wiki for now, even though it's not pretty. let's wait to fork things until we have the resources. otherwise we're just spreading thinner. | 20:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it is too generic as terms to search on engines :/ | 20:26 |
| @scrottie | but help updating install instructions would be fantastic. there are some install docs in the webgui git repo. getting that right would be a good first step. | 20:27 |
| ichesnokov | BTW, Imager has 64 issues on rt.cpan.org, while Image::Magick only 20 :) | 20:27 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, a code-name for the community project wouldn't be bad. feel free to suggest one. but again, I want to wait until we have some momentum before taking any leaps. | 20:27 |
| ichesnokov | (although the number of good reviews is also high) | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | I didn't pick Imager. if it were up to me, I'd probably have picked NetPBM | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | okay, as long as there are a bunch of smart people here at the same time... what's the first step for including *you*? | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | should there be a mailing list? | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | for dev stuff? | 20:29 |
| ichesnokov | Yeah, I think having a mailing list would not hurt. | 20:29 |
| @scrottie | the forums on webgui.org will also happily send you mail if you turn that on | 20:29 |
| @scrottie | I haven't set up a mail list in a long time. is there a site I should use...? | 20:30 |
| ckotil | chatbot's are useful too for commits | 20:30 |
| @scrottie | we used to have that running in here. | 20:30 |
| @scrottie | or is it easier just to coordinate via IRC? that's my inclination but I want to accomodate people too | 20:30 |
| @scrottie | even though I use irc-II, I'm pretty good at backlogging | 20:30 |
| ckotil | im screen + irssi | 20:31 |
| ckotil | it keeps about a week of backlog | 20:31 |
| ckotil | then im pretty sure someone here logs online too | 20:31 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, I think the current trend is google groups :) | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, if you'd like to, fork http://github.com/scrottie/webgui, find the gist of the installer on the kickstarter, copy the related files in, and update the docs. | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | gah. okay, what's less obnoxious than Google and should be more popular? | 20:32 |
| ckotil | github | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | I think I need to write a todo/how to get involved doc right now | 20:32 |
| * scrottie nods | 20:32 | |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, this is what github's wiki can be useful for btw - such docs | 20:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, okay. but to be fair to you and to the entire community i will continue with my Perl studies so I can do a pretty good job, not just a messy chaos. | 20:33 |
| ichesnokov | How to get involved etc. | 20:33 |
| ichesnokov | Maybe it is even would be useful to add that to README.pm | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, okay | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 20:33 |
| ichesnokov | err, README.md | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | and you all should fork it and send me pull requests =) | 20:33 |
| ckotil | i may do that. there are a lot of things i want to get back into the core | 20:34 |
| ckotil | makes my upgrade process easier :) | 20:34 |
| * ichesnokov goes to make a fork | 20:34 | |
| ckotil | tho, you're saying pul to wg8? | 20:34 |
| ckotil | not sure how much of my 7.9.whatever will go back into 8 | 20:34 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, how many custom assets do you have? | 20:34 |
| ckotil | techincally zero | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | the new Moose based asset syntax is the largest problem for upgrades | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | that and lack of testing for upgrades | 20:35 |
| ckotil | but ive modified a few (i know bad bad) | 20:35 |
| ckotil | but ive got a lot of custom workflow activities and macros | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | normally PB would upgrade its own sites, and then various customer sites on dev and then staging servers, fix all of the problems found, and *then* encourage other people to upgrade (after backing up) | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | but we don't have the benefit of all of that testing now | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | so we have to generate our own testing | 20:35 |
| ckotil | yeah, ive always done my own testing on separate 'dev' instances | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | okay. upgrading might work... caveats about testing aside | 20:36 |
| ckotil | hourly backups of my db in addition to daily's | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | 8 ships with a 7 database and upgrades it to 8 so that while we're working on stuff we notice the moment we break that upgrade process | 20:36 |
| ckotil | by daily FS backups. hourly rsyncs to a hot backup host w/ mysql db slave | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | is someone creating a README.md right now or should I start it? | 20:37 |
| ckotil | oh not me. im neck deep in rebuilding a DNS server offsite :/ | 20:37 |
| @scrottie | eek | 20:38 |
| ckotil | yeah, provider didnt have snapshots in their vmware cluster :/ | 20:38 |
| ckotil | so im updating an anciate bind install to centos6 chrooted | 20:38 |
| ckotil | ancient too | 20:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie: is it okay if I suggest a name for project in case you fork it? | 20:40 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos: of course! | 20:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | Allion, the ancient Greek name for common onion: Allium Cepa | 20:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | since it's in Perl and has the onion logo (not the camel; it belongs to O'Reilly) | 20:41 |
| @scrottie | thank you. I'll create a ticket for that on github. are you the same name on github? | 20:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yes | 20:41 |
| ckotil | ah that's pretty good | 20:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we could of course call it Allium Cepa as its code name, but it's too long | 20:42 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, there is a README file already btw, and it already uses some markdown, so you could just rename it to README.md and add new sections | 20:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i wanted something to include "onion" and "green"; this way we could attract Perl developers and Green IT :D | 20:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | like cPanel! | 20:42 |
| * ckotil shudders | 20:43 | |
| ckotil | cPanel is fine. but it gets in my way a lot | 20:43 |
| ckotil | i'd rather just turn it off | 20:43 |
| ckotil | but customers seem to like it | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, are you ckotil on github too? | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | I might wind up working there. my experience is full time jobs suck all of my energy out and hacking grinds to a halt =( | 20:44 |
| ckotil | scrottie: yes | 20:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, you could work for Duckduckgo | 20:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | or booking.com | 20:45 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, I'm thinking of using the "github pages" feature instead of the github wiki. that would allow for more polish and avoid prematurely duplicating the existing wiki. | 20:45 |
| @scrottie | a full time job would still bringing my hacking to a haul. | 20:46 |
| @scrottie | halt | 20:46 |
| @scrottie | ichesnokov, are you ichesnokov on github as well? | 20:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, thanks for addition. i wanted to ask; does it work only with apache or with other web servers as well? | 20:48 |
| @scrottie | 7.x works with Apache | 20:48 |
| @scrottie | 8.x is plack, so it runs its own server, but it's a really good idea to put another server in front of it to serve static content (nginx, Apache, whatever) | 20:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | darn it...i really need to make it work with Lighttpd | 20:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ah yeah, i forgot about Plack :D | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | and then proxy dynamic requests (everything except extras/ and uploads/) to the plack server | 20:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | very nice | 20:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | time for a break. brb | 20:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, still interested to find a job? I have found something interesting for you | 21:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | https://weworkremotely.com/jobs/748 | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | I don't think I made myself adequately | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | clear | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | I *don't* want a full time job | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | because then I can't hack any more | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | drains me too much | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | idea is, I *don't* work full time for six months but do this instead =) | 21:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ah i see | 21:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | part time job then? | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | or consulting work | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | or this kickstarter gets funded | 21:56 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you need to find someone to create an attractive video...for free or by buy him a beer LOL | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | are you volunteering? | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | I can buy you a beer. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | or two. | 21:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | hey, if i knew how to edit a video i would be a billionaire by now :D i have so many ideas running through my head that Pixar would do its best to purchase my brain hahahahaha :D | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | I can never get any of the Linux video editing tools to work | 21:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | have you tried blender? | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | I've even downloaded isos ove LiveCDs of editing software, and the video editing software *still* didn't work | 21:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | blender would do | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | haven't tried to use it to edit video... I know it as an animation program | 22:00 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sODml0PBlo | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | I bought software for my Mac, but it turns out the Mac is too old | 22:00 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you could try this tutorial http://www.blendernation.com/2013/11/08/introduction-of-video-editing-in-blender/ | 22:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the only apple i would buy is a real one...fresh! | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | I was using something called videoeditmaster on Windows that worked *fine*, but then after something like 12 years of service, Microsoft Windows Server 2000 decided it was an unlicensed copy and commit suicide | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | wtf, Microsoft? | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | I'm 99.9% sure I *paid* for that thing, and then one day, it just jumps off a cliff. | 22:03 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no more window user here..only at work as troubleshooter | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | well, here either now =| | 22:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | even my computer has GNU / Debian testing at work | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | I actually kind of liked 2000 | 22:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah, 2000 pro were the best. | 22:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it could run just fine with 64MB ram | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | didn't constantly nag me with stupid BS | 22:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i loved it, honestly. | 22:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but issues were issues. | 22:05 |
| ichesnokov | scrottie, yeah, I'm ichesnokov at github as well. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | things made sense rather than having vague descriptions with cutsey icons that make you search all over everywhere because you don't know what anything is | 22:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i liked the NT idea | 22:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it felt too safe and was so at the same time while using it | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | I had Windows NT 4.0 at work for a while and developed on it. it needed a lot of reboots and a lot of re-installs. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | but 2000 got things working very very well. | 22:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i remember testing the early NT versions...i don't remember how i found it, but i surely remember destroying hardware with wrong commands | 22:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i don't recall what i did...but server room smell burned plastic | 22:07 |
| @scrottie | hrm. odd. | 22:07 |
| @scrottie | NT 3.51 would be a fun dinosaur to resurrect. NT kernel, 3.11 desktop | 22:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's what i thought, but my face look like this O_O | 22:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | they should have released windows source code in the first place. nothing of this today would existed | 22:09 |
| ToApolytoXaos | btw scrottie, do you know of any website that uses both Perl as front-end and back-end exclusively, without the help of other back-ends, like made with Go, D, C#, Java, and so forth to name a few? | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | plenty. do you want something popular or that looks good or...? | 22:16 |
| ichesnokov | Perl for the frontend? Hmm, instead of HTML/CSS/JS? | 22:16 |
| ichesnokov | btw, there are some Perl sites listed at http://www.builtinperl.com | 22:17 |
| ckotil | think cgi. it's still html/css/js to the client browser | 22:17 |
| ckotil | pretty slick site | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/scrottie/webgui ... updated | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | apparently master there was behind. whoops. caught it up. | 22:21 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | ichesnokov, yeah i know about buildinperl.com; i have it bookmarked already ;) | 22:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what i forgot to mention is an important word: *large* websites | 22:31 |
| ToApolytoXaos | like booking.com, but i'm sure they use multiple technologies as their back-end | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | booking is well known for using Lisp in their AI backend | 22:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no shit! O_o | 22:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's wicked! | 22:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the parenthesis chaos :D | 22:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | still, a powerful language | 22:35 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/scrottie/webgui ... README.md updated. patches welcome ;) | 23:40 |
| jabberwok | i am _so_ ready to trash my virtualmin+apache+wordpress stack. just got thru eradicating some rogue php implanted script. | 23:45 |
| jabberwok | has anyone tried a fresh install on centos 7 ? | 23:46 |
| * ToApolytoXaos is a GNU / Debian user; sorry jabberwok :( | 23:51 | |
| jabberwok | reading a day's scroll in reverse order, it's like listening to a tape reel in reverse, quite fun once you get the hang of it... i wonder, has anyone ever released a movie shot entirely in reverse action? | 23:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | there are a few directors that did so in Europe if I remember correctly | 23:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but it has a name this concept which i cannot remember right now | 23:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that is, to start from back to forth | 23:57 |
| jabberwok | hmm... ?? ??????? ???? ... i got most of that without even google translate. | 23:59 |
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| jabberwok | it almost sounds like, in spanish, « á pollito caucho » - a rubber chicken | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it's an obvious nickname jabberwok | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i got it one day i was dealing with a PHP bug, a C++ template crashing report, and attempting to read Ruby. | 00:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | any questions thus far? :D | 00:05 |
| jabberwok | ?mysql_real_escape_string! ( struct bork <0> { static const noise = !signal; } ) | 00:07 |
| jabberwok | i only write Python scripts in Acme::Bleach | 00:10 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 00:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the only negative thing with Python is its indentations. i truly like them, but piss me off when have to deal with copy / paste | 00:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's a pop corn moment for some people to see someone go crazy! | 00:22 |
| jabberwok | :) | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, that WordPress->wG import script would be really really good. I can answer questions about wG's database schema. 2 cent version is everything gets an entry in asset. assetData gets an entry for each version of the asset (so at least one entry), then Wobject usually gets an entry (because most assets inherit WebGUI::Asset::Wobject, and the table inheritance matches the code inheritance), and then whatever other table the asset uses. | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | if you look at the code for the asset, it defines the fields and specifies the table that things restore/save to. | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | even just getting some of the major settings and the articles with tags would be really really nice. | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, are you on github? | 00:46 |
| jabberwok | i am... lemme see here | 00:46 |
| jabberwok | https://github.com/lindleyw -and- https://bitbucket.org/wlindley/ | 00:47 |
| @scrottie | have a commit bit =) | 00:48 |
| @scrottie | if you wanted to just do the skeleton and read the WP data, I could do the other half and stuff it into wG. that is, if you can hand it to me in a way that I can understand. | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | I'm all about the 2 cent solution to start with. | 00:50 |
| jabberwok | absolutely. first lemme get this all installed so i can poke sharp sticks at it | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | sure | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | I tried to track down the rumored start of this but couldn't find it | 01:03 |
| @scrottie | might send an email | 01:03 |
| jabberwok | i saw a few msgs and a mention or two on the irc-log about wordpress from 2010-ish but nothing concrete | 01:04 |
| @scrottie | did you notice who was talking about doing the work? | 01:05 |
| jabberwok | final: brazil 1, germany 7 (!) | 01:05 |
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| jabberwok | "elnino" asked «if someone has a wordpress site, is there a importer that we can use to transfer it into webgui?» http://mentalhouse.net/irc/logs/webgui/2010-08.log.html ... +perlDreamerelnino: « I don't know of such a beast...but, I'd help you write it » | 01:10 |
| jabberwok | - Q: one wG install, can serve multiple virtual hosts? versus wp where you really need a whole nother copy for each site/blog? | 01:13 |
| @scrottie | mmm... if you set up a wG to serve multiple domains, a lot of stuff is shared. | 01:13 |
| @scrottie | the theme can be made domain specific. I did that on one site I worked on. that's not too bad. | 01:14 |
| @scrottie | users/groups are global across sites. | 01:14 |
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| @scrottie | at the apache proxy or nginx level, you can send people to different start pages, or redirect them in wG, but there isn't a built-in concept of home page per domain name. that could be added pretty easily though. | 01:15 |
| jabberwok | ah. - i have about 20 (used to be 50) *.com/*.org with wp, on a single linode vps; eventually i'd like to administer a single software install, albeit with varying db connections and themes for each domain. and then have a super-admin ncurses interface, no more web admin holes even. - but that's Later. | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | webgui has 'wgd', a command line tool that lets you do just about anything =) | 01:22 |
| @scrottie | if the only change is different themes and the page people get redirected to, that's easily done. | 01:23 |
| jabberwok | excellent. it's absurd to devote a 4core xeon with 4GB ram to run a measly few dozen sleepy websites. | 01:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how about WP plugins? will those data going to be exported / migrated as well? | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how about WP sites that have multisite enabled? | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | will wG be able to handle such thing? that's the challenging part. | 01:45 |
| @scrottie | only talking about the absolutely most basic case right now, but feel free to submit patches! | 01:45 |
| jabberwok | that's the $7 version not the 2¢ | 01:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 01:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, i saw a few Perl files that use 5.008 as the default Perl version. is there a reason? should not we move such code to 5.012 the minimum? | 01:47 |
| @scrottie | saying use 5.008 doesn't mean that exactly 5.008 is used but rather at least 5.008 is used | 01:48 |
| @scrottie | there are places that require 5.010 and 5.012 | 01:48 |
| jabberwok | perlbrew to the rescue | 01:48 |
| @scrottie | actually, I think nothing requires anything later than 5.010 because CentOS was stuck on that for a long time | 01:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if I remember correctly, companies that use cPanel got stuck with 5.008 | 01:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i know because of a friend that use BlueHost | 01:50 |
| jabberwok | my condolences | 01:51 |
| jabberwok | at least they're better than godaddy | 01:51 |
| ToApolytoXaos | hahaha :D | 01:52 |
| jabberwok | scrottie: remember that one host that was still running Perl4 on Solaris? | 01:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the funny thing with shared hosting is that they charge too much for too little | 01:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | 180 USD for 12 months with 128MB ram | 01:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what's the point?! | 01:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | with 60 dollars i get 512MB DigitalOcean | 01:53 |
| jabberwok | for $120, 1GB ram, 24GB ssd linode. | 02:06 |
| @scrottie | http://www.aulix.com/webgui-hosting | 02:11 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol...this website looks so much like '90s | 02:40 |
| @scrottie | isn't it awesome? check out what s/he wrote here: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/project-to-finish-wg8#idO2EYOHAiCiyX2zklp9pkdg | 02:50 |
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| sany_ok | Hello | 05:13 |
| sany_ok | Can somebody please suggest me a how to modify links on each page automatically at runtime? | 05:14 |
| sany_ok | Which pl file shall be modified? | 05:14 |
| sany_ok | I would like to have a signle out page to improve my PR | 05:15 |
| sany_ok | I will do the mod public | 05:15 |
| sany_ok | already done a simple one: | 05:16 |
| sany_ok | http://aulix.com/set-redirect | 05:16 |
| sany_ok | need your help guys | 05:16 |
| sany_ok | if you read this later and would like to help, please write to webgui [at] aulix.com | 05:17 |
| @scrottie | hi sany_ok | 06:17 |
| @scrottie | no simple, direct way to do that. | 06:18 |
| @scrottie | you could write a new template parser plugin based on the existing one and add that feature there. that would get most of the links. | 06:18 |
| ckotil | mod rewrite? | 06:39 |
| ckotil | i do somuch rewrite it make my head spin | 06:40 |
| sany_ok | I tried mod_rewrite and it did not work for me | 06:41 |
| sany_ok | for other purpose, looks like WG request go besides mod_rewrite | 06:41 |
| ckotil | they allhu | 06:42 |
| sany_ok | Was anybody able to use mod_rewrite with WG successfully? | 06:42 |
| ckotil | they all hit mod proxy first | 06:42 |
| ckotil | i use it extensivly. ican share examples tomorrow | 06:42 |
| sany_ok | someone suggested to use the same method like it is used for noCache, is it a good idea? | 06:43 |
| sany_ok | I have made many searched through the source perl files with a help of PADRE IDE | 06:43 |
| sany_ok | seen functions like gateway | 06:43 |
| ckotil | dunno aboutno cache.tell us what u want to do | 06:43 |
| ckotil | im dropping offline. ill be back tomorrow | 06:44 |
| sany_ok | just a moment | 06:45 |
| sany_ok | looking for threads in community | 06:45 |
| sany_ok | http://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/script-to-replace-all-external-links-to-nofollow | 06:46 |
| sany_ok | another about almost the same | 06:46 |
| sany_ok | Create a special page with a macro which redirects other links to external sites. This page will receive a lot of weight due to internal linkage after rewriting external links and we can place a lot of advertisment on this link and the link will not pass any weight outside because all urls will be passed dynamically | 06:46 |
| sany_ok | Is it a good idea? | 06:46 |
| sany_ok | Can <a >'s on page be rewritten through some apache mods to avoid deeping into WebGUI source? | 06:46 |
| sany_ok | ckotil, please e-mail me example of mod_rewrite to webgui at aulix.com | 06:51 |
| sany_ok | or a link where you share them | 06:51 |
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| @scrottie | YARR. | 18:51 |
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| sany_ok | Hello | 06:20 |
| sany_ok | Chad, I have sent a e-mail to your iu.edu address, please read when you have a minute | 06:38 |
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| ckotil | replied | 15:26 |
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| ckotil | ive been trying to build a new wre from source for 64bit centos 6 host. but im unable to get perl to build with threaded support. anyone run into this before? | 19:44 |
| ckotil | '-Dusethreads -Duseithreads' should do it, but no matter what I do , my build is left with this: useithreads=undef | 19:44 |
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| @scrottie | don't use threads | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | none of the code needs them and they only cause pain and suffering | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | Debian and CentOS build with them by default even though the install docs say not to use them | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | that makes people think that they're supposed to be built in but they really, really aren't | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | just got off of a long phone call with the owner of Donor.com. donor.com is built on wG, and offerse a customized wG for clients to build their platforms on as well that servers as an interface to their backend API | 20:47 |
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| kaare_ | scrottie: So they'll support you? ;-) | 20:50 |
| @scrottie | he's thinking about it but like a lot of people who use wG, it would be difficult for them to upgrade | 20:51 |
| @scrottie | lots of custom code | 20:51 |
| @scrottie | I need more stuff to show people. in this case, a community development portal with spaces for banners. | 20:52 |
| @scrottie | I've taken the leak of promising banners in exchange for large donations | 20:53 |
| @scrottie | leap | 20:53 |
| @scrottie | I mean | 20:53 |
| @scrottie | hey, jabberwok, can you get me the WP half of the WP->wG script today? | 20:53 |
| jabberwok | well i can create a 'standard' export file from wordpress, for starters. i've decided that's the easiest place to drive the first arrow into the beast. | 20:55 |
| @scrottie | is it a file format you can parse? | 20:55 |
| jabberwok | an xml variant, so... "yes" with moderate values of "ugh" | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | I think if I can tell the Perl community about a skeletal WP->wG converter before the Kickstarter ends, that will impress them a lot and convince them that this is for real | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | since attacking the WP market is one of the basic premises | 20:57 |
| jabberwok | http://wlindley.com/img/blog.wlindley.com.wordpress.2014-07-10.xml is an example, a full backup from http://blog.wlindley.com ... it's marked as rss-2.0 but with lots of custom extensions. everything _is_ in there, somewhere | 21:00 |
| jabberwok | ./title EPROM Programmer Arrested for Flashing Firm-Ware in Public | 21:01 |
| jabberwok | where "everything" does not include any images or "attached" files, just what is in the wp database. | 21:03 |
| * scrottie groans | 21:05 | |
| @scrottie | hrm, that might be all I need | 21:05 |
| jabberwok | wp has this annoying habit of storing «<p> ...stuff... </p>» as «stuff» surrounded by newlines, and embedding «[shortcodes]» in the text | 21:06 |
| @scrottie | thought it might be helpful if I ask questions about what some of the stuff is and you're able to tell me | 21:06 |
| @scrottie | that's gibberish on my irc-II client | 21:06 |
| @scrottie | nopaste that? | 21:06 |
| jabberwok | http://nopaste.info/0211a6bebb.html | 21:10 |
| jabberwok | i double checked to verify there weren't any passwords or such silliness in it. | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | oh, I meant the "habit of storing" bit | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | not the XML | 21:11 |
| jabberwok | i could send a smaller file but this one has lots of warts and leftover bits as an inherited from constant upgrades from circa-2006 wp versions | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | whatever you typed didn't come across on irc-II | 21:11 |
| jabberwok | Ah, --- i used unicode quotes | 21:12 |
| jabberwok | i had a writeup of the Post/page format here somewhere, lemme find it | 21:12 |
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| @scrottie | hey pvanthony | 21:16 |
| pvanthony | hello | 21:17 |
| jabberwok | at minimum, in the <content:encoded> data you will want to convert "\n\n" to "<p>", although that isn't proper valid html. the actual php handler is in function wpautop() //// line 245 in https://core.trac.wordpress.org/browser/tags/3.9.1/src/wp-includes/formatting.php#L0 | 21:23 |
| jabberwok | which does a perl regex replacement, as: preg_replace('|<br />\s*<br />|', "\n\n" ...... (line 278) | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | easily fixed | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | thanks | 21:25 |
| jabberwok | *nod* there's a couple dozen "special case exceptions" in that mess of code. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | of course. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | I want to use mst's remote deployment code to vomit out wG installs onto remote hosts. i want to create a site where you type your login info and hostname, and it ssh's in and deploys everything for you. | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | yarr. | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | the TX DOT website is the prettiest and easist to use of any I've seen. https://txpros.txdot.gov/ | 21:28 |
| @scrottie | I also have a TPF grant proposal. someone care to proof read this and give me feedback? | 21:31 |
| jabberwok | sure | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/039e4688e83f2240f178 | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | should be able to fork that if you like | 21:37 |
| jabberwok | aside: i always wanted to write a module, Curses::FoiledAgain | 21:44 |
| ckotil | scrottie: ok, i wont. it's just the build.sh script was building modperl that wanted threading. i can pry disable it in modperl | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | oh. don't know about mod_perl and what it needs. | 21:46 |
| jabberwok | re: Bootstrap, i looked at that but wound up preferring Foundation. either/both are good to steal^H^H^H^H import other peoples themes | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, I don't know that space well enough to have an opinion. | 21:46 |
| jabberwok | ok, i'll dredge up my bootstrap-vs-foundation notes and send you a link to them later. | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | uh, ... not sure when I'd get to processing that either | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | but you're welcome tos end it | 21:48 |
| jabberwok | minor: under "Benefits to the Perl Community" in the next line change "affects" -> "effects" | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | right | 21:49 |
| jabberwok | i like the concept of being able to write "meta-admin" capabilites with a curses interface so the Really Powerful Stuff isn't even web-accessible | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | well, the wgd command line utility does that right now | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | the curses thing is just the installer | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | I probably wouldn't have made it curses except I felt it very important that it have a progress bar | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | wgd uses $EDITOR to edit YAML versions of assets, and it has commands to edit groups, users, settings, etc | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | import/export assets | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | and asset trees | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | HUGELY helpful when working on a site | 21:52 |
| @scrottie | I forget where things ever are in the web based admin | 21:53 |
| jabberwok | (( trying not to get sidetracked by Battleship.pm )) | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | it's short at least | 21:56 |
| jabberwok | under Completeness, first bullet has "featues" --> features | 21:58 |
| jabberwok | good stuff. -- btw the Jax. pub_library has a copy of Perl6 Now. | 21:59 |
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| @scrottie | oh man. | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | no major changes then? | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | thanks for reading through that | 22:00 |
| jabberwok | as far as easy deployment ... i saw some talk of a Docker container; now that CentOS 7 includes Docker, that might be a good way to distribute the whole enchilada relatively painlessly | 22:00 |
| ckotil | yeah that should pry happen | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | problem with package systems is there are so many of them | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | I'd love to support that, but linode instances are probably the largest target | 22:01 |
| ckotil | im going to try upgradgin my centos65 box to 7 at home. suppposedly you can do a straight upgrade | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | can you run a docker app inside of a linode instance? | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | guess I should ask GOOG | 22:02 |
| ckotil | https://blog.linode.com/2014/01/03/docker-on-linode/ yes | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | featues | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | wrong paste =P | 22:02 |
| jabberwok | if the linode runs centos 7, yes. theoretically one docker container should work equally under centos, ubuntu, debian, arch. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | are you aware of cloudatcost.com ? | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | craziness | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | nope | 22:02 |
| ckotil | ive had 2 for about 9 months now. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | there has been some downtime. but for a dev host. it's been great! | 22:03 |
| ckotil | ive got a $35 one, and a $70 one | 22:03 |
| ckotil | err no. ive got 2x $35 | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | welp, there has to be at least two installers anyway because lots and lots of people want to do local dev/testing on OSX | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | and wG makes developing on dev and moving to production easy with wgpkgs | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | so naturally people want to use their laptop as the dev machine | 22:04 |
| jabberwok | egads, that's cheap. way cheaper than fixing up the pile of xeon servers (non-VT, u320 scsi drives) that i halfway inherited | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | I've got a $20 lindoe. | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | linode | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | though I like "lindoe". a deer and a penguin? | 22:05 |
| jabberwok | YES where's a graphic artist for that, when you need one | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | they doubled the RAM included and quadrupled the disc included but I didn't take advantage of it for over a year until a migration forced me to reboot | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | but then three days before the migration, the instance locked up | 22:08 |
| * scrottie scratches his head | 22:08 | |
| @scrottie | coincidence? I DOUBT IT | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | https://blog.linode.com/2014/06/16/11th-linode-birthday-10-linode-plan/ | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | $10 plan | 22:09 |
| ckotil | decent | 22:10 |
| jabberwok | at these prices, it's not worth bothering with physical hardware, despite loving to kick boxes round | 22:11 |
| @scrottie | linode has been good, but I detest AWS. during busy parts of the day, it's like being teleported back in time (shut up, I'll mix metaphores if I want to) and telneting into a shared Sun 3 box where everyone is trying to compile their homework at the same time | 22:12 |
| ckotil | i cant find doc's for in place upgrade from centos6.5 to 7 | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | people saying "cloud" still makes me want to punch them in the face | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | hrm. if I didn't extend the disk, I could have downgraded to that plan =P | 22:14 |
| jabberwok | ckotil: the 6.5 -> 7 upgrade script is listed was "to appear later" in the release notes somewhere | 22:14 |
| ckotil | ah ok | 22:15 |
| jabberwok | scrottie: on linode, resize the disk down, create a new node at the $10 rate, and use the Clone feature to copy your old disks to the new node. change dns records,, shutdown old node, done. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | changing DNS records would be a big project. it's a registered host. it serves DNS. | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | same old story. | 22:16 |
| ckotil | jabberwok: found it. thanks | 22:16 |
| jabberwok | cheers, ckotil | 22:16 |
| jabberwok | i'm translating that wpautop function into Perl. Gah, the fact that all this runs with _every render_ of _each post/page_ all the time, no wonder wp is such a pig | 23:09 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, from your gist file you meant "cmsmatrix.org" instead of "cmsmatrix.com" about wG's high ranking? | 01:03 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if yes, then this sentence becomes too biased, because cmsmatrix.org belongs to Plain Black Corp. | 01:05 |
| @scrottie | I know, totally biased, but such a wonderful little lie | 01:13 |
| @scrottie | but okay, maybe deceit isn't appropriate in this case | 01:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | not for those who know a bit of SEO and use a few tools within a browser | 01:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | people want honesty and those who *do* see such things whether they truly want to help / promote this project or not, they will think twice to do so | 01:15 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm sure because i have been there with deception as a SEO-wannabe in the past. | 01:15 |
| @scrottie | yes. | 01:15 |
| ToApolytoXaos | as soon as i started playing the game by the rules, i would bring in my company 3500 euros per customer and i had 150 customers in 1 year..that's a lot of money, isn't it? | 01:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i think i did my job as an employee pretty decently. | 01:17 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what i'm trying to say is don't promote plain black corp unless you are a benefit out of it | 01:17 |
| ToApolytoXaos | my suggestion would be, try to take its ownership and pass it to a non-profit organization that would project it | 01:18 |
| @scrottie | it would be impossible for them not to benefit from me promoting WebGUI since they paid for almost all of the work in it. | 01:18 |
| @scrottie | wG8 cost about $300,000. | 01:18 |
| ToApolytoXaos | there's only one thing missing | 01:18 |
| @scrottie | why should I care if they benefit anyway? | 01:18 |
| @scrottie | we benefit from the code they wrote being GPL. | 01:19 |
| @scrottie | we benefit from being able to use the name, to the degree that they permit it. | 01:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah, i forgot it's GPL and not BSD... | 01:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | correct | 01:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, all that is left is to form a non-profit organization that controls it, like what Python is doing as also Django | 01:20 |
| @scrottie | creating a non-profit is a long ways off. we don't have regular contributors at this point. | 01:20 |
| @scrottie | but given an active project, a non-profit makes sense. | 01:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it will attract people | 01:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we tend to get scared of the word "Corporation" | 01:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we think big names like, Oracle, Microsoft, and such | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | no, I know what's involved in a non-profit. that's not a good use of my time righ tnow. | 01:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you know what's best then. | 01:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | whatever that is, i will support it | 01:22 |
| @scrottie | I don't have six months to spare right now, and if I did, I'd use it writing code. | 01:23 |
| @scrottie | thanks | 01:23 |
| @scrottie | could really use a good looking site ;) | 01:23 |
| @scrottie | btw: http://www.biketempe.org/about/ | 01:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | by the way, let me find that link about WordPress that shares some good points that we *should* take an advantage of it | 01:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what about it scrottie? | 01:24 |
| @scrottie | I'm on the board of directors of a non-profit. that's all. | 01:24 |
| @scrottie | they use WordPress =P | 01:25 |
| @scrottie | I've been spending my time recently contacting companies that use and host wG and talking to them about sponsorship | 01:25 |
| @scrottie | and but a good looking community project site would let them imagine sponsorship a lot more easily | 01:26 |
| @scrottie | and a WP->wG import tool would let the Perl community imagine taking on WP a lot more easily ;) | 01:26 |
| @scrottie | so those are my priorities right now | 01:26 |
| @scrottie | I also have some homework to do | 01:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | sure. | 01:27 |
| @scrottie | and I need to register for classes and I'm hoping to start doing some consulting work so I need to come up to speed on that. whee! | 01:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | one thing though you should read if you haven't done already is this http://mor10.com/wordpress-at-10-time-for-a-fork/ | 01:27 |
| @scrottie | and I wrote a grant proposal for TPF founding the other day | 01:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | when you say classes...for a PhD? | 01:28 |
| @scrottie | "As much as I hate to say it, WordPress is not really a CMS but rather an extremely built-out blogging platform." ... no kidding | 01:29 |
| @scrottie | no, I never finished my undergrad, and since I made jack last year doing TBAG (tempe bicycle action group) stuff full time, I'm eligable for student aid, so I thought I'd take advantage of it, but I'm also doing an online certificate track. | 01:29 |
| @scrottie | I have no judgment whatsoever and no one should ever listen to me. | 01:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 01:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if you say so...that would be what we call oxymoron | 01:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | a person that has no judgment tries to persuade people to use wG8 :D hahahaha | 01:31 |
| @scrottie | "Sit down with a novice WordPress user and you'll see what I mean: What was once considered a simple and straight forward blogging tool has become a stunningly complex application with some blogging features." it's nice how assets in wG encapsulate a lot of this. the base install is too complicated still, but if you want to use it as an app layer, you can ignore all of the blogging stuff. | 01:31 |
| @scrottie | you don't even see it unless you start adding related assets | 01:31 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if wG8 is a pure CMS it should remain like this | 01:32 |
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| @scrottie | it's a CMS that people tend to use to build big applications on top of. so it's part CMS, part app framework. | 01:33 |
| @scrottie | but I don't think that's too much at this point. especially given the modularity. | 01:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if however, there are plans to let the user choose how he or she wants to set up it, then we definitely need an installing wizard to generate the appropriate project | 01:33 |
| @scrottie | there's already a new site wizard. more could be done with that. assets need to be taken out of core and just live on CPAN. I talked about some of that already. | 01:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i have so many ideas in my Pandora Box (my chaotic mind, that is) | 01:34 |
| @scrottie | good article. thank you for that! | 01:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no worries scrottie :) i knew you would need it, that's why i shared it | 01:34 |
| @scrottie | I had a long converastion with the CEO of donor.com today. | 01:35 |
| @scrottie | he was thrilled at the chance to talk about wG with someone close to it | 01:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | my original concept before turned to Perl-hacker-wanna-be, i was using PHP and I hated it so bad | 01:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no kidding | 01:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's so awesome | 01:35 |
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| @scrottie | he went on a big bender about how fantastic a lot of things are and how what they've been able to do for their major hosted clients with it | 01:35 |
| @scrottie | ... but then he used that as a launch point to talk about the *pain* he had using it | 01:36 |
| @scrottie | upgrades often don't work | 01:36 |
| @scrottie | he has major hosted sites still on 6 and early versions of 7 | 01:36 |
| @scrottie | they modified core and it would be hard for them to adapt that to 8 | 01:36 |
| @scrottie | it's too complicated for their users | 01:36 |
| @scrottie | if you're a major non-profit like the Red Cross, you can use their platform which runs wG but gives you a backend API to all of their services for handling donations and managing donors and campaigns | 01:37 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i see | 01:38 |
| @scrottie | I know a lot of other people had upgrade problems with 7. PB officially supported upgrades but changes made were just too ambitious and we made it too hard for people that weren't huge outfits with lots of programmers on staff. | 01:38 |
| @scrottie | so it seems clear to me right now that an easy install is just the first step. an important first step... | 01:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it would be brilliantly clever and attractive to let the user "design" his site with the help of your installer | 01:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for instance | 01:39 |
| @scrottie | anyway. buying myself some time to get this to a very basic level of usability is my top goal right now. | 01:39 |
| @scrottie | the new site wizard lets you pick a theme =) | 01:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i will be referring to the general user as "he" | 01:39 |
| @scrottie | and it asks which of a few popular assets you want on the front page to get started =) | 01:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | he *should* be able to create a site based on his needs. for example, the user might be only interested in blogging | 01:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | or an ecommerce | 01:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm sure you already know that the majority of WP websites you see around are woocommerce | 01:40 |
| @scrottie | nope, didn't know that | 01:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, now you do lol | 01:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | woocommerce is by far the easiest setup ever and the shittiest thing to organize lol | 01:42 |
| @scrottie | heh | 01:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what a logical web developer would create all these widgets that you have to drag aaaaaall the way up and if for some reason your hand went numb and unclicked the button, you have to repeat it again?! | 01:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i mean...seriously | 01:43 |
| @scrottie | will you please make me a GitHub Pages page? >=) | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the monitor on a laptop has a certain resolution and you expect me to scroll all time to page to find a hidden widget? | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how? | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | oh | 01:44 |
| @scrottie | I dunno! The design I design looks like garbage. | 01:44 |
| @scrottie | er, when I design things it looks like garbage | 01:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm not a designer, but we could use something ready | 01:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | unless you announce this in Perl mailing list and kindly ask for a quick support | 01:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | and treat then a candy | 01:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | a promotional design, a flat design, a corporation design? | 01:46 |
| @scrottie | some ready sounds good | 01:49 |
| @scrottie | mmm. not too corporate. fun, very simple. moble-ish maybe just to be cool. two goals: distribute (soon forthcoming) community beta, get new developers started, and thank commercial sponsors. three sir! | 01:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | would you like that with fries and coke? | 01:50 |
| * ToApolytoXaos laughs my ass off | 01:51 | |
| @scrottie | ugh, McDonalds. no, I require expensive Italian food. | 01:51 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i prefer my own cuisine; Greek. | 01:52 |
| @scrottie | Ethiopian, Indian... lots of good stuff =) | 01:53 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i think my country's cuisine covers almost everything :D | 01:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | by the way, just to let you know about github pages | 01:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://jekyllrb.com/docs/github-pages/ | 01:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | everything is automated for you, so... | 01:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | heytitle suggested this http://jekyllthemes.org/ | 01:55 |
| @scrottie | I need to create an account other than scrottie | 01:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | why's that? | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | me | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | github.com/scrottie/webgui | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | need a different fork/page/account | 01:56 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i said "why" not "who" | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | I didn't read about Jeckyll at all. figured I (or whoever) would use HTML but whatever works | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | oh | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | not sure | 01:56 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you can use markdown + HTML and will work just fine | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | shouldn't be scrottie.github.io/webgui | 01:57 |
| @scrottie | that's not ideal | 01:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but you have to place it to github.io | 01:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you need to create a PROJECT not another user | 01:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that would be, anniumcepa.github.io | 01:57 |
| @scrottie | okay, I need to figure out how to create a project then | 01:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it's at your right as soon as you login | 01:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | https://pages.github.com/ | 01:59 |
| @scrottie | I think I have to create an Organization in order for it to not say "scrottie" | 02:02 |
| @scrottie | "wgcommunity"? | 02:02 |
| @scrottie | "wgcms"? | 02:02 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you see the problem now? | 02:03 |
| @scrottie | no. | 02:03 |
| ToApolytoXaos | with Plain Black Corp in the middle? :/ | 02:03 |
| * scrottie sighs | 02:03 | |
| ToApolytoXaos | you have to give it a code name | 02:03 |
| @scrottie | I need more time to talk to people about how they feel about stuff than I have. | 02:04 |
| @scrottie | right. I did ask the same person who suggested a name. | 02:04 |
| @scrottie | what did I expect. | 02:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 02:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how about wgng? | 02:05 |
| @scrottie | and then wgvoyager after that? | 02:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, you have to find a name that *should* stick with the entire project for many years to come, no matter how things will end up | 02:06 |
| @scrottie | yeah. and "ng" quickly gets dated. | 02:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | next generation? | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 02:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how come? | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | if New Coke hadn't been killed and we were still calling it New Coke 20 years later, that would be awkward | 02:08 |
| @scrottie | you almost have to kill something with "new" or "next gen" in its name | 02:08 |
| @scrottie | just so you don't have to suffer that name for the rest of forever | 02:08 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ok, call it wgunofficialtrunk | 02:09 |
| ToApolytoXaos | sounds better? | 02:09 |
| ToApolytoXaos | nope? | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | I'm leaning towards a codename but not sure how this will shake out | 02:09 |
| ToApolytoXaos | remember how Centos shook waters when it first came out as an alternative to RHLE? | 02:10 |
| @scrottie | people cared about RedHat. they don't care about wG. | 02:11 |
| ToApolytoXaos | then, follow the Apache concept | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | scott@Microknoppix:/data/WebGUI8$ git push allium master | 02:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i thought you said the ticket reply -_- | 02:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | allium is garlic...allium CEPA is the common onion | 02:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | allium actually unoffocially means the onion genus | 02:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i thought you *READ* | 02:15 |
| * ToApolytoXaos upgrades his fingers' AI autonomous typing software... | 02:15 | |
| @scrottie | hrm. maybe transferring ownership is what I wanted to do instead. oh well. have to recreate open tickets, worst case. | 02:15 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/orgs/AlliumCepa/teams/committers | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | I just named it allium in my .git/config. you can call it whatever you want. | 02:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | very nice | 02:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i have so many things to learn | 02:17 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm a total newbie to such things | 02:17 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i haven't studies wG yet in depth; only saw it thoroughly...is it going to be bumpy ride for me? | 02:18 |
| @scrottie | you should be able to do this to push content: https://gist.github.com/scrottie/d7bc303d518b038841a6 | 02:18 |
| @scrottie | initially | 02:18 |
| ToApolytoXaos | *studied | 02:18 |
| @scrottie | there's some learning curve, but narrowing the focus will help a *lot* | 02:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i think my PHP experience, plus Python, C, C++ will help a bit | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | so, still down for hobbling together a site? =) | 02:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | here it's 02:22 and as you can see, i type nonsense :D | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | simple and pretty. I posted tickets for the community process. | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | wheee | 02:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | what time is it over there | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | tomorrow? | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | 6:20pm | 02:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay, i will experiment with jekyll a bit tomorrow and i will provide you my feedback | 02:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | fair enough? | 02:21 |
| @scrottie | sounds lovely. | 02:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | brilliant | 02:21 |
| @scrottie | sleep well. if you decide to sleep. | 02:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | any favorite coloring with wG? | 02:21 |
| @scrottie | well, the octopus mascot is purple. see http://twitter.com/scrottie if you need any fodder. I've been flooding it. | 02:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it has to match current logo i would say | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | not having wG in the name makes it harder sell to sponsors. | 02:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah, i understand | 02:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | oh well...tomorrow is going to be a big day then :) | 02:23 |
| @scrottie | whee! | 02:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | also there's weekend | 02:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | "the natives"? | 02:25 |
| @scrottie | eg "the natives are restless" | 02:25 |
| @scrottie | random people concerned | 02:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ah i see | 02:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if they don't like it, call it "Stew" | 02:26 |
| @scrottie | nice. issues transferred over. https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui | 02:27 |
| @scrottie | NOT "scrottie". HUGE IMPROVEMENT. | 02:27 |
| @scrottie | github++ | 02:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | awesome :D | 02:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | I'm sure they will like it as soon as they search for the name those who don't know it | 02:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | also, the codename for recipes could be called "stew recipes" :D | 02:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | hahahaha :D that's so awesome | 02:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | anyway scrottie, have a lovely evening by me, and goodnight. rest well yourself and hopefully tomorrow we continue our adventure | 02:32 |
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| jabberwok | http://blog.wlindley.com/2014/07/interpreting-a-wordpress-export-xml-file/ for scrottie | 15:47 |
| jabberwok | ^^ brain-dump from 7 years of WP fun | 15:48 |
| jabberwok | including my insightful and sarcastic comments as to the WP merry mischmasch of malprogramming. | 16:00 |
| ckotil | very nice. i bet it will be useful to someone | 16:00 |
| ckotil | re: unable to build perl in the wre from source w/ threads. i tried a newer version of perl src than what's in the build scripts, and that worked for me. | 16:17 |
| ckotil | i notice in getsources.sh that openssl is not patched for heartbleed | 16:17 |
| * scrottie sighs | 16:48 | |
| @scrottie | ckotil, can you open a ticket with PB for that? or else I can. | 16:49 |
| @scrottie | thanks, jabberwok | 16:49 |
| ckotil | yeah i will | 16:49 |
| @scrottie | cool | 16:50 |
| ckotil | ive got a few other notes from this build process too | 16:50 |
| ckotil | various new packages | 16:50 |
| ckotil | ill include them as well | 16:50 |
| ckotil | and apache 2.4 doenst work with mod_perl2 ;) | 16:50 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, btw, I'm going to try to implement that the first half of next week | 16:51 |
| @scrottie | cool | 16:51 |
| ckotil | submitted | 16:59 |
| jabberwok | excellent | 18:13 |
| jabberwok | as for mysql-as-used-by-php, i can't count the times i've seen people store the strings "true" and "false" in a db instead of using a boolean or numeric field. i am expecting to one day have to debug "oh, here's your problem, you have 'true' in Chinese Simplified instead of Chinese Traditional." | 18:16 |
| @scrottie | heh | 18:17 |
| jabberwok | http://www.reddit.com/r/perl/comments/2ad7y5/a_modern_perl_content_management_system/ | 18:33 |
| jabberwok | 11 upvotes | 18:34 |
| jabberwok | and let's hope a couple contributors. | 18:34 |
| ckotil | +1 | 18:35 |
| * jabberwok hands ckotil a t-shirt: "I work at Google. I get to have a '-1' button." | 18:36 | |
| ckotil | g+ lets you downvote? | 18:36 |
| jabberwok | no. unless you're a google dba? | 18:36 |
| ckotil | they need one. or a dislike button | 18:39 |
| jabberwok | Yah, when someone posts "My dog was hit by a car last night, my wife left me this morning, I was fired, and I came home to a mailbox full of summons" -- am I supposed to "Like" that? | 18:41 |
| ckotil | exactly. and just the other night. a good friends crazy ex wife went all suicidal cry for help on fb... you can't like that! tho i wanted to say 'do it' :/ | 18:42 |
| jabberwok | =sigh= "I hate to encourage suicide, but... could you write me into your will?" | 18:43 |
| jabberwok | the telescripts i write, they wouldn't show on PBS. | 18:44 |
| ckotil | haha. nice one | 18:44 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | greetings scrottie. just found time to sit in front of PC; sorry :/ i had things to arrange for home. | 19:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i haven't done anything with the website. | 19:24 |
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| @scrottie | ToAp, s'ok. if you manage to find time, that would be awesome. I'm pretty snowed in myself. | 21:10 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | can i just do it manually then instead of using jekyll? | 22:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that would be preferable i would say | 22:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | are you there scrottie? | 22:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yesterday you sent me this https://gist.github.com/scrottie/d7bc303d518b038841a6 | 22:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | is this the process to pull / push content to alliumcepa? | 22:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i can't push to AlliumCepa scrottie; permission denied | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | okay, let me see | 23:15 |
| ToApolytoXaos | just give me a second, because the problem lies in the way i'm pushing things | 23:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i used https whereas it should be ssh for some reason | 23:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | your git example is to create a directory of my choice and initialize a project in there, and not how to clone even an empty repository | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | right | 23:18 |
| ToApolytoXaos | OK, let me experiment a bit more...brb | 23:18 |
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| @scrottie | with organiations, you do need to create a new repo, I think | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | gh-pages | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | distinct from any other repo | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | lagg lag lag | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | Houston traffic on GPRS | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | so I might have to create that new repo | 23:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | darn it... | 23:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's why i get permission denied (publickey)? | 23:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | why people like complicating our lives..? | 23:23 |
| ichesnokov | hi | 23:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | good evening ichesnokov | 23:23 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, i got "mad" now...i will got and eat a candy to calm down lol | 23:24 |
| @scrottie | nope, already done | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | git clone https://github.com/username/username.github.io | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | got like a ten minute ping time | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | where username is alliumcepa | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | well, make sure your current pub key is plugged into your account on github | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | its just going to get worse when I hit the airport | 23:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ok | 23:31 |
| ToApolytoXaos | so, should I follow the gist procedure or the standard one? | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | standard | 23:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lovely | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | I think | 23:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | remote: Permission to alliumcepa/alliumcepa.github.io.git denied to ToApolytoXaos. fatal: unable to access 'https://github.com/alliumcepa/alliumcepa.github.io/': The requested URL returned error: 403 | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | according to pages.github.com, the pages do live in the AlliumCepa.github.io repo | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | yeah, you need a git@ ssh style URL | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | not sure why pages.github.com gives that https:// one | 23:36 |
| ToApolytoXaos | so git clone is wrong | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | git@github.com:/AlliumCepa/AlliumCepa.github.io | 23:37 |
| @scrottie | is what you want to git clone | 23:37 |
| ToApolytoXaos | should i repeat that again? | 23:37 |
| * scrottie tests that | 23:37 | |
| @scrottie | warning: You appear to have cloned an empty repository. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | otherwise it works | 23:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yes | 23:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that was the message i got too | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | okay, well, add stuff to it and push... but make sure the url for the origin is set to git@github.com:/AlliumCepa/AlliumCepa.github.io | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | not the https non-sense | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | edit .git/config if you need to and replace it in there | 23:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it does not work; i have tried it | 23:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i will repeat the cloning procedure | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | <ToApolytoXaos> remote: Permission to alliumcepa/alliumcepa.github.io.git denied to ToApolytoXaos. fatal: unable to access | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | +'https://github.com/alliumcepa/alliumcepa.github.io/': The requested URL returned error: 403 | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | thats the wrong url | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | you need a git@ thing, not an https thing | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | did you change that and try again to push? | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | you can edit it in your .git/config | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i did as you said | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | before i mean | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | sorry, I was wrokng | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | now i will redo things from the start | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | trying to correct myself here | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i get permission denied for my publickey for some reason | 23:43 |
| @scrottie | can you do 'git pull' on other repos of yours on github? | 23:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | let me check | 23:43 |
| @scrottie | ie, does the key work elsewhere on github... | 23:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm currently pulling neovim | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | hrm. did I add the wrong ToApolytoXaos to the project? let me see | 23:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no, the problem is with what options you have set for cloning | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | okay, try now. I'm new to this part of git. I thought I gave you access to everything but apparently there's another step | 23:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | https://help.github.com/articles/which-remote-url-should-i-use | 23:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | with ssh or https? | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | ssh | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | https might work. I always use ssh. | 23:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ssh won't work | 23:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | let me check with https | 23:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | https worked | 23:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it works! | 23:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://alliumcepa.github.io | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | why would ssh not work? | 23:55 |
| @scrottie | I use it all the time | 23:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i honestly don't know | 23:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it must be something with my public key for some reason | 23:58 |
| @scrottie | I created a "team" that has read/write access and added you to the team, but I didn't realize I had to add that team to that repo | 23:58 |
| @scrottie | guess "teams" were pointless extra complexity in this case. should just add people directly to repos. | 23:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | true | 23:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | now i'm thinking of a good design... | 23:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for some reason wG's logo reminds that of Rolling Stone :S | 23:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | *s | 23:59 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | by the way, are you on holidays or for business trip? | 00:03 |
| @scrottie | job interview | 00:12 |
| ToApolytoXaos | good luck mate | 00:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm sure it will go well | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | thanks | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | well, on my way back from it now | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | I'm sure I came across strange and babbley | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | just because I always do | 00:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | no need to worry | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | bad at small talk | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | heh | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | and I can't do this and that at the same time | 00:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for sure :D | 00:15 |
| jabberwok | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-announce&m=140510513704996&w=2 ... first LibreSSL Portable released, builds on linux, solaris, osx, freebsd. | 01:06 |
| @scrottie | gotta put the lappy to sleep. out of batteries to shove in the thing. | 01:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | anyway folks, it's time for me to get some sleep as well | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | didn't make it very far on my homework. had to upgrade R and reinstall all of the packages becuase a package I needed didn't like my old version that Debian installed. | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | g'night, ToApo! | 01:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if not tomorrow, Sunday we shall talk again | 01:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | cheers | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | Sunday for me | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | cheers | 01:21 |
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| e1z0 | hi | 14:24 |
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| @scrottie | heya e1z0 | 15:41 |
| e1z0 | yo | 15:42 |
| jabberwok | =pours coffee= | 16:03 |
| e1z0 | can i run webgui with apache and without mod_perl ? just as fastcgi ? | 16:39 |
| @scrottie | if you run wG8, yes, though that would be slightly indirect | 17:14 |
| @scrottie | running mod_proxy under apache would be more direct with wG8 | 17:14 |
| @scrottie | or if you're just doing dev, you can run wG8 without any other webserver | 17:14 |
| e1z0 | ah | 17:15 |
| e1z0 | i see | 17:15 |
| @scrottie | or low volume hosting | 17:16 |
| @scrottie | it runs on Plack | 17:16 |
| @scrottie | wG7 requires mod_perl unless you get the PlebGUI branch which does Plack | 17:16 |
| e1z0 | i have my own dedicated server for that | 17:17 |
| e1z0 | thats no problem, i can run it with mod_proxy or standalone | 17:17 |
| e1z0 | thats no matter, i think i will use it with apache mod_proxy | 17:17 |
| @scrottie | 7 is the stable branch but it's pretty old by now | 17:18 |
| @scrottie | and 8 is alpha | 17:18 |
| e1z0 | is it stable for production use ? | 17:21 |
| @scrottie | which one? | 18:22 |
| @scrottie | "stable" is stable. "alpha" is alpha. | 18:22 |
| @scrottie | what are you doing with it? | 18:22 |
| @scrottie | I recommend either running 8 if you want community support and don't care about a lot of rough edges, or else 7 if're going to get commercial support | 18:23 |
| jabberwok | is http://preaction.github.io/WebGUI/8-apps.html worth linking to? | 18:44 |
| @scrottie | sure, why not. | 18:58 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. scrottie, how did it go, your job interview that is... | 14:27 |
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| jabberwok | KS: 76 Backers $2,611 pledged of $10,000 goal ... 10 days to go. | 14:59 |
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| @scrottie | yeah. TPF grant route is my best option. | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | ToApolytoXaos, job interview went well. catching up on email. was out the last 1.5 days. | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | this is rough because I'd really, really like to work with Reini on the Perl compiler toolchain. | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | I know it's crazy, but sometimes I go do things away from the computer for more than a day at a time. | 19:08 |
| jabberwok | eagds. you're not one of those people without a smartphone? (( jabberwok hides his ancient nokia (capable only of text msgs, barely) )) | 19:09 |
| @scrottie | heh | 19:09 |
| @scrottie | I had a rotary phone hooked up to a VoIP adapter using a SIP->Google Voice gateway on the 'net, but Google killed interoperation on Jabber and broke that little setup | 19:10 |
| jabberwok | :-) i have that 1955 model 500 yet, of course | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | so I got a little old Nokia so I could make calls, but I still carry the two way pager (which have SMS gateways now days) | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | maybe I can hook the rotary up to cell | 19:11 |
| * jabberwok ponders, --- there's no reason wG can't talk to an asterisk instance... (later, later) | 19:13 | |
| jabberwok | i'm still preparing to get a wG instance up. keep getting sidetracked, reading too much documentation on too many different bits. my primary goal is to write a blog post that documents the entire process, from barefoot (virtual) machine to up-and-running | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | I'm hoping that little of that will stay relavent for long | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | my installer mostly worked about a year ago | 19:34 |
| @scrottie | going to try to do the importer tomorrow | 19:34 |
| @scrottie | today looks like catching up on email after being out the weekend | 19:35 |
| @scrottie | and nagging ToApolytoXaos | 19:35 |
| jabberwok | https://raw.github.com/gist/2973558/webgui_installer.pl 404 | 19:54 |
| jabberwok | err, 400 Bad Request | 19:55 |
| jabberwok | using: [[ wget https://raw.github.com/gist/2973558/webgui_installer.pl --no-check-certificate ]] from https://gist.github.com/scrottie/2973558 | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/scrottie/2973558/raw/cae81f3f15f4670ab3a9398fffc3d1b952e0dd2f/webgui_installer.pl but I don't see a way to permalink to a gist file | 20:00 |
| haarg | https://gist.githubusercontent.com/scrottie/2973558/raw/README | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | haarg++ | 20:03 |
| haarg | github has a lot of urls like that that aren't linked anywhere, so i often just try to guess | 20:03 |
| @scrottie | problem is those change with time. the other link used to work. | 20:04 |
| jabberwok | oh the joys of using Someone Else's System | 20:05 |
| jabberwok | it's working! (at least, not crashing) | 20:09 |
| @scrottie | haha | 20:10 |
| jabberwok | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/2973558/raw/webgui_installer.pl should allegedly be canonical | 20:13 |
| jabberwok | per: https://gist.github.com/atenni/5604615 | 20:13 |
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| @scrottie | shit is going down. | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | serious shit is going down. ToApolytoXaos, I need your help. or someone's help. | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, xdanger, if ToApolytoXaos can't, can you hook me up with a quickie but good looking site? | 02:30 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | hey scrottie, how are you? i have sent you a messages a couple of days ago. | 22:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | how did the interview go? | 22:51 |
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| @scrottie | it went well | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | now I have to figure out what to do with that | 23:10 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | meaning? | 23:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | by the way, i have visited many websites to get ideas, but you did not tell me what content to place into the website and basically i got stuck lol | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | if I take that job, I can't do this | 23:20 |
| ToApolytoXaos | not even during weekends? | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | yeah I did =P | 23:21 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you did what exactly? | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | space for banners for major backers, instructions for developers to get started, and link/instructions for beta | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | "instructions" could be very brief pointers | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | make sense? | 23:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah, but have they responded to such request? | 23:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i mean the clients you were calling | 23:24 |
| @scrottie | one of them gave me a maybe | 23:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | a maybe...hmm | 23:26 |
| ToApolytoXaos | so, is it going to be a dead end or with a "maybe in the near future" motto? | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | and them something kind of crazy just happened a few minutes ago | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | then | 23:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | like? | 23:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you won the lottery? | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | essentially | 23:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 23:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | so, you won't continue with wg8? | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | didn't say that. I said I have to figure out what I am doing. | 23:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, you need to make a living, correct? | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | and I've been avoiding a full time corporate job because I like my side projects too much, and my experience is that 40 hours of intense development leaves me completely drained | 23:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | then work full time for a certain amount of time, save some money, and then stop from work to concentrate on your side projects | 23:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | sounds fair like that | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | "Heads up:The dinosaurs didn't "die out." They were all taken into heaven during the velocirapture." | 23:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | never heard that before | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | that was kind of my plan, but I failed to get any interviews in Tempe for Perl or Java, and I don't want to do that to Reini and cPanel. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | that's more for jabberwok | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | also, it would be dumb to relocate to TX just to bail soon afterwards. unless I really really hated TX. | 23:36 |
| ToApolytoXaos | why not work remotely scrottie? | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | that's still full time development, and I actually failed to find anything. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | let's talk about websites. | 23:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | failed to find anything?! O_o | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | doing Perl anyway | 23:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i have found so many Perl jobs to work remotely | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | but YAPC gave me leads, and this KickStarter gave me leads | 23:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i see | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | cPanel would be cool because I'd be working on the perl compiler. | 23:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | in C you mean? | 23:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | to maintain version 5.8.x? | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | yup | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | cool | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but it's too damn old | 23:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | at least they could take it to 5.12 | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | er, not 5.8, 5.14 | 23:42 |
| @scrottie | Reini is targeting 5.14 then 5.20 | 23:42 |
| @scrottie | I am apparently absolutely kicking ass at raising funds but I need your help with the site =) | 23:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | well, i did my research and i did not know what to do | 23:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | because i'm a programmer, not a designer | 23:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i could clone another site or even use some WP themes to work around | 23:43 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but i don't know what you have in mind | 23:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for example, you did not mention what to place to "About" "Contact" "Mission" and such | 23:44 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you have to provide me something like wireframe | 23:44 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I'm not a designer either. | 23:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i think the WP logic sounds better, since it's GPL-ed | 23:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | but it would be assembled as static pages | 23:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | pure html5 and css3 | 23:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | also, i would like to clarify something; i'm perfectionist and that causes me tremendous pressure | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | here's a good looking site: http://cartodb.github.io/odyssey.js/ | 23:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | especially when i feel i disappoint someone | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | maybe I'll clone that and change the image and button | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | doesn't need "about" or anything. just links to other things. | 23:49 |
| @scrottie | but at this point, there's no "if" about whether it is needed | 23:49 |
| @scrottie | or very little | 23:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah, why not | 23:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you know better than me :/ | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | but you are more than welcome to clone that for me and stick another image in there and make it link to our stuff =P | 23:51 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay let me try that hopefully tomorrow at work | 23:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it's fully js things | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | should take about an hour | 23:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay, send me an email (you have it through github) with the things you need to share on the website, and i will arrange a couple of themes i would find appealing | 23:56 |
| @scrottie | msg me your email again? | 23:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | done | 23:59 |
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| @scrottie | sent | 00:00 |
| ToApolytoXaos | okay let me check it | 00:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | banner dimensions? you did not share | 00:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | :P | 00:01 |
| @scrottie | I said "some standard medium size" which pretty clearly leaves the task of figuring that out to you. | 00:02 |
| @scrottie | just has to look okay. | 00:03 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ok | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i will take my time to find a decent theme and copy it | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if you don't mind that is | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | take your time to concentrate on your work and i will take things slowly but progressively | 00:04 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm also learning Perl at a thorough level, therefore i would appreciate it if you could show some sympathy to a "newbie" | 00:05 |
| @scrottie | please don't take your time. | 00:05 |
| @scrottie | it can also be fixed later. | 00:05 |
| @scrottie | but the KickStarter ends in a few days, and I have a situation where three people *might* put in a lot of money but none want to go first. the site would help with that a lot. | 00:06 |
| @scrottie | which is why I'm about to do it myself unless you can help me out here. | 00:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | oh :/ you have a dead line | 00:07 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 00:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | then you have to do it yourself mate, because i work during the say and have only the nights available | 00:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | also when i find time at work, i cheat a bit | 00:07 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i did not know you had a deadline, that's why i said "ok" when you kindly aske | 00:08 |
| ToApolytoXaos | d | 00:08 |
| @scrottie | gotcha | 00:08 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i really am sorry :( | 00:08 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i did not know about the deadline | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | I'm sorry I wasn't clear about that | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | I was just assuming a one hour job | 00:09 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for an expert, not a newbie | 00:11 |
| @scrottie | for a butcher, not a perfectionist =) | 00:11 |
| ToApolytoXaos | maybe | 00:11 |
| ToApolytoXaos | if you want, you can remove the permissions from me if that's a problem mate | 00:13 |
| @scrottie | aww, chill out. | 00:14 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i'm just asking man | 00:15 |
| @scrottie | I don't expect you having access will cause problems, but if you don't use them for a long while, I'll remove them just to keep things tidy. | 00:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | sure | 00:20 |
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| jabberwok | bork | 00:35 |
| jabberwok | 81 backers - $9,781 ...! | 00:43 |
| * scrottie nods slowly | 00:44 | |
| jabberwok | here's a toast (( raising his RC Cola )) to making it | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | thank you | 00:45 |
| @scrottie | <html class=" js no-flexbox canvas canvastext webgl no-touch geolocation postmessage no-websqldatabase indexeddb hashchange history draganddrop websockets rgba hsla multiplebgs backgroundsize borderimage borderradius boxshadow textshadow opacity cssanimations csscolumns cssgradients no-cssreflections csstransforms csstransforms3d csstransitions fontface generatedcontent video audio localstorage sessionstorage webworkers applicationcache svg | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | inlinesvg smil svgclippaths" | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | wow | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, you're crazy | 00:49 |
| jabberwok | :) | 00:50 |
| ToApolytoXaos | O_o | 01:01 |
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| @scrottie | heya beppu | 02:22 |
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| beppu | Hey there, scrottie . | 03:25 |
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| beppu | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/2 | 09:36 |
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| ckotil | scrottie: sorry but im not a very good designer | 15:18 |
| @scrottie | yarrr. | 17:02 |
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| beppu | haarg: Could you upload https://github.com/haarg/wgdev to CPAN? | 19:28 |
| beppu | Is the admin ui in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hb66FfnUQ8 (from 1:07) already in AlliumCepa/webgui ? If so, how do you enable it? | 19:39 |
| beppu | ...or is it only in dannymk's fork? https://github.com/dannymk/webgui | 19:42 |
| @scrottie | sorry, yeah, danny_mk's fork | 19:43 |
| @scrottie | I think he moved off to another branch than the one I was watching | 19:43 |
| @scrottie | you'd have to get details from him | 19:44 |
| @scrottie | he also changed out JS libraries again and started going a different direction since then | 19:44 |
| beppu | He changed a lot of things. Merging that work in may be very difficult if he hasn't been tracking plainblack/webgui religiously while working on his fork. | 19:50 |
| @scrottie | he hasn't been. he's not good at git. | 19:51 |
| beppu | fuck | 19:51 |
| ckotil | in that video, he says the D word | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | dingus? | 20:09 |
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| ckotil | drupal | 20:13 |
| beppu | They've been very successful. I used to visit a coworking space called DropLabs and they held a lot of Drupal meetings there. https://droplabs.net/search/node/drupal | 20:19 |
| ckotil | oh yeah. ive got a buddy who helps run drupalCon chicago. he's very dedicated to drupal. | 20:20 |
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| haarg | scrottie: congrats | 00:28 |
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| jabberwok | YOU MADE IT | 00:37 |
| jabberwok | Congratulations | 00:42 |
| @scrottie | thank you. | 01:52 |
| * scrottie sips celebratory scotch. | 01:52 | |
| @scrottie | any picks on a replacement background image for http://cartodb.github.io/odyssey.js/? | 02:28 |
| @scrottie | er, a repalcement for the one used there? which is pretty awesome? | 02:29 |
| beppu | http://ppcdn.500px.org/76742159/99972bcd2d9883b963e3737b9d6d36ffd2367b59/2048.jpg | 02:54 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 02:56 |
| @scrottie | maybe something more subdued? the fogginess and desaturation in http://cartodb.github.io/odyssey.js/ works well, imo. | 02:56 |
| @scrottie | also, I just realized this design doesn't really build in space for banners. | 02:57 |
| beppu | Is this for http://alliumcepa.github.io/ ? | 03:00 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 03:00 |
| beppu | http://ppcdn.500px.org/36074956/203d9854acbe790277ea6e3c1e52aed8421b88d2/2048.jpg | 03:16 |
| beppu | I'm getting them from http://www.reddit.com/r/earthporn | 03:17 |
| @scrottie | that's misty all right | 03:25 |
| @scrottie | https://www.flickr.com/photos/youronas/6093564242/ | 03:28 |
| @scrottie | https://www.flickr.com/photos/wrc-213/5912056963/ | 03:28 |
| beppu | Does https://www.thegamecrafter.com/ use webgui? | 05:28 |
| @scrottie | original iterations did but the current iteration doesn't. | 06:01 |
| @scrottie | https://www.flickr.com/photos/26965261@N03/6261425457/sizes/l ... wouldn't work for this purpose but it's a cool photo | 06:06 |
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| @scrottie | https://alliumcepa.github.io/ ... could use some sepia/blur on the bg. the sepia script-fu script is failing in my gimp install. whee. links are preliminary. another background could be better. | 06:54 |
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| beppu | scrottie: You could probably achieve a blur using CSS. | 07:10 |
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| beppu | http://codepen.io/aniketpant/pen/DsEve | 07:16 |
| beppu | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20039765/css-how-to-apply-a-css3-blur-filter-to-a-background-image-that-i-am-setting-wit | 07:16 |
| beppu | You'd have to restructure your html so that the background-image wasn't on the header element. | 07:18 |
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| cng | Congrats on the funding! :-D | 07:38 |
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| spacebat | yay for funding | 07:50 |
| sany_ok | congrats scrottie! | 07:54 |
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| kaare_ | Soooo... When will it be ready? hehe | 08:13 |
| spacebat | I suggest that once some significant improvements have been made, make a booking for an episode of the FLOSS Weekly netcast to get the word out and spur involvement | 09:00 |
| k-man | good idea spacebat | 09:13 |
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| jabberwok | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGUI updated | 15:41 |
| spacebat | good stuff | 15:47 |
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| ckotil | sweet bg image on the github.io site | 15:48 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, nice, thanks! | 16:14 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, thanks. I want to add some kind of a fog/sepia effect to give better contrast and make it more subdued. file:///tmp/odyssey.js/img/rocks.jpg was the other one I was looking at. it's lovely but way too bright and looks odd if it isn't bright, at least with my photo retouching skills. | 16:15 |
| @scrottie | thinking of putting banners where the get started /developers buttons are now | 16:17 |
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| @scrottie | okay, photo effected up the rocky craigs image. better contrast on the wording now at least. | 18:20 |
| ckotil | put a border around the white text? | 18:30 |
| ckotil | it's getting washed out | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I thought I pushed up an image that's even more darkened but github.io is being slow or something. | 18:31 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | hey scrottie, good job with the site mate. | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | heya ToApolytoXaos | 20:30 |
| @scrottie | thanks | 20:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | thank wget and the right parameter combination lol | 20:33 |
| @scrottie | didn't know wget could fish out links to style sheets and js libraries from HTML... | 20:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yes it can | 20:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | there you go http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/downloading-entire-web-site-wget | 20:35 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i did not use --domains option though, because i would have cloned the entire github.io i presume LOL! | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | ah, forgot to commit the darker image | 20:41 |
| ToApolytoXaos | which image? | 20:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | btw, why you added that octopus-like icon for webgui? | 20:48 |
| @scrottie | the background one | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | the octopus is "Gooey". s/he's the wG mascot. | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | https://www.webgui.org/wg/promote/gooey-on-the-go/adtech-2009/uploaded-from-iphoto16 | 20:57 |
| jabberwok | that word always makes me think of the floor of the Astrodome after Hurricane Katrina... mass. cot. | 21:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, ah bummer...it looked to my eyes that Gooey is Octopress's mascot | 23:21 |
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| @scrottie | interesting. I keep learning things. | 00:27 |
| ToApolytoXaos | like what? | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | Octopress | 00:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | you didn't know?! | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | and that sounds like it would have been a good way to go for spitting out a site quick | 00:28 |
| @scrottie | no, I've been living in a hole and working on an Atari 2600 game! | 00:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 00:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | octopress describes itself quite well on index page | 00:29 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/scrottie/2600lava | 00:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | assembly?! | 00:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | damn O_o | 00:30 |
| * scrottie nods | 00:30 | |
| @scrottie | unit tests in perl | 00:30 |
| @scrottie | care of Acme::6502 | 00:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lovely | 00:30 |
| ToApolytoXaos | indeed Perl is an amazingly interesting language | 00:31 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the more i dive in, the more furious i feel with myself for not learning it earlier | 00:31 |
| @scrottie | haha | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | it is frustrating not knowing useful things, but you can't know everything or even half of it | 00:32 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it "looks ugly" for some, but too native to me for some reason | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | everyone struggles with that | 00:32 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that is the beauty of it mate | 00:32 |
| @scrottie | sometimes it's nice just to go hack with things you know rather than always learning something | 00:32 |
| ToApolytoXaos | to get lots of trials and errors to get it right | 00:32 |
| ToApolytoXaos | use a notebook to take notes | 00:33 |
| ToApolytoXaos | a traditional handbook, not a PC lol | 00:33 |
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| jabberwok | Q: the biggest vulnerability of WordPress is probably that the .php files have permissions to allow modification by the running .php files themselves. Can WebGUI be configured so the effective uid/gid of the Perl script, has no Write permission to "itself" (the scripts themselves)? | 15:29 |
| @scrottie | yup, and I imagine WordPress could be too. | 15:30 |
| jabberwok | true; you can, mostly, but then the "automatic update" fails and users gripe that "i can't install a plugin!" =rolls eyes= | 15:31 |
| @scrottie | I chown'd my firefox to root. it can't run updates either. aww, poor firefox. | 15:32 |
| jabberwok | excellent | 15:32 |
| jabberwok | http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ie-cms/aloe-vera-and-diabetic?layout=flat <-- website generated by WebGUI, discussing Allium Cepa. fwiw. | 15:33 |
| @scrottie | strange | 15:33 |
| jabberwok | https://www.plainblack.com/services/training/webgui-primer <-- will they release the rights to those, or do we need new documentation | 15:36 |
| jabberwok | same question about mascot, gooey | 15:36 |
| @scrottie | add those questions to the ticket, if you don't mind | 16:50 |
| @scrottie | valid questions, but I want to actually make some progress before I start asking for stuff. | 16:50 |
| jabberwok | roger | 16:54 |
| jabberwok | by 'ticket' do you mean https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues | 16:55 |
| jabberwok | and in particular #7 "work with PB to figure how much to reuse" right | 16:56 |
| jabberwok | done | 16:57 |
| jabberwok | "working in a group" always has an element of, well, organizational / politics. | 16:58 |
| @scrottie | yup, that one | 17:09 |
| @scrottie | "working in a group"? | 17:09 |
| @scrottie | this group or on the github...? | 17:09 |
| jabberwok | generally any community effort | 17:09 |
| jabberwok | forum.simutrans.com/ i've contributed some graphics and even a tiny bit of code (tho it's C++, ugh) | 17:11 |
| jabberwok | http://search.cpan.org/dist/Starman/ -- 503. cpan has been down a lot lately | 17:11 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 17:12 |
| @scrottie | I guess most of perl.org was down for maintenance yesterday too. but yeah, cpan has been having a bad time. | 17:12 |
| @scrottie | oh, cool... http://www.simutrans.com/en/ | 17:16 |
| @scrottie | from the name, it sounded like some simulation library written in Fortran or something. | 17:16 |
| jabberwok | yepp, ... that's been 90% of my "gaming" experience for the past, oh, decade | 17:17 |
| jabberwok | not long after Everquest ate half a year of my life. | 17:17 |
| @scrottie | half a year? that's all. wow. you got off light. | 17:19 |
| @scrottie | I wish I had more time for games. | 17:19 |
| @scrottie | one of my roommates is constantly playing *something*. it's always the greatest thing ever but sometimes it only lasts a week before the next greatest thing ever. | 17:20 |
| jabberwok | http://blog.wlindley.com/2014/07/webgui-vs-wordpress-overview/ first stab at this | 17:28 |
| @scrottie | you actually got wG8 running? and ran the upgrades? | 17:28 |
| @scrottie | wG uses a lot of YUI for various features. | 17:29 |
| @scrottie | btw. | 17:29 |
| jabberwok | Ahh, ok. -- and no, i started to install on a vm but got sidetracked when my shiny new 8GB memory turned out bad (yank, yank, arrgh) | 17:30 |
| jabberwok | http://yuilibrary.com/ that YUI , right | 17:31 |
| @scrottie | looks right, but I'm used to seeing it at a yahoo.com URL. | 17:31 |
| jabberwok | hm, that's listed as canonical by wikipedia. not that i 100% trust /them/ | 17:32 |
| jabberwok | so, YUI-Richtexteditor instead of tinyMCE | 18:01 |
| @scrottie | I think it mostly uses tinyMCE. | 18:02 |
| jabberwok | k | 18:02 |
| jabberwok | http://blog.wlindley.com/2014/07/interpreting-a-wordpress-export-xml-file/ Added sample code at end, to show the contents of "posts" and "pages" | 18:24 |
| jabberwok | now i just need to transmogrify the php from WP core, to equivalent perl, and output "real" html | 18:26 |
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| jabberwok | this php auto-paragraph code is nasty. scrottie: the ghost of TransientBaby... | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | just use Inline::PHP? | 21:03 |
| jabberwok | possibly. or one of the existing html parsers from cpan, although that wouldn't reproduce "warts and all" | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | or just save the HTML rendered by a .php app | 21:19 |
| jabberwok | good point. this should only ever have to be run once (-ish). | 21:22 |
| haarg | jabberwok: there are alternatives to search.cpan.org that have been much more reliable recently. particularly metacpan.org | 22:15 |
| haarg | i'm not sure what's been going on with s.c.o. maybe the server move will help. the maintainer of it doesn't seem particularly involved anymore. | 22:17 |
| jabberwok | yes... perl.org also seems to be having issues. i usually use metacpan but when i'm lazy google tends to return s.c.o | 22:36 |
| haarg | perl.org is down for a server move http://log.perl.org/2014/07/7182014-scheduled-maintenance-moving-day.html | 22:37 |
| haarg | s.c.o has been having its own issues though | 22:37 |
| jabberwok | http://blog.wlindley.com/2014/07/interpreting-a-wordpress-export-xml-file/ <-- code at the end, normalizes WordPress posts/pages by running, somewhat sanely, thru HTML::TreeBuilder with appropriate handling of comments and <pre> sections. | 22:37 |
| jabberwok | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/9 --- trying to stick with github for ^^ such notations | 22:43 |
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| beppu | metacpan ftw: https://metacpan.org/release/Starman | 04:43 |
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| @scrottie | yarr. | 01:48 |
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| beppu | cd ~/ic/ice | 10:25 |
| beppu | cd ~/ic/ice | 10:25 |
| beppu | source deve | 10:25 |
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| beppu | whoops wrong terminal | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | =) | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | metasploit whitehouse.gov | 19:26 |
| @scrottie | whoops, wrong channel ;) | 19:26 |
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| @scrottie | yarr. | 20:11 |
| haarg | same | 20:12 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 20:13 |
| ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone | 20:13 |
| jabberwok | ./wave | 20:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | "smile and wave boys, smile and wave" - Penguin from Madagascar lol | 21:46 |
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| jabberwok | mornin | 14:33 |
| jabberwok | scrottie: speaking of HP 3000s, my login transcript from a DecWriter III on 8 Nov 1980, at my Pascal class at MIT. http://wlindley.com/images/hp-3000-transcript-pascal.jpg | 14:35 |
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| jabberwok | the installer doesn't seem to much like running inside a perlbrew environment. | 15:54 |
| jabberwok | at least on Debian, apt-get install for Curses et al, doesn't help with perlbrew. 'perlbrew off' and things proceed. | 15:55 |
| jabberwok | .... should i put critique of installer-as-it-exists in a github issue, or discuss here? | 15:57 |
| jabberwok | such as: sudo password remains in plaintext on screen during entire install. | 15:59 |
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| @scrottie | PRIMZ | 19:30 |
| @scrottie | GERBIL | 19:30 |
| @scrottie | awesome | 19:30 |
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| @scrottie | jabberwok, if you have time and inclination, consider updating the Wikipedia page on the HP3000 series. I got some consulting work at a place that has one. I don't have to touch it directly, but it's very much still in production. I went to read about it and learned little. | 19:32 |
| @scrottie | and thanks for the comments on the installer. I suspected that it had bit rotted since it didn't work for danny_mk the last time he tried it and that was a year ago. | 19:32 |
| @scrottie | and no, it doesn't support brewprew. that feature could be added but I don't know if the curses based installer is the primary direction we want to take. | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | did anyone catch mst's talk? I haven't watched it yet but he told meaabout it in the hall. | 19:33 |
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| zylopfa | Greetings fine Webguians! | 19:38 |
| ToApolytoXaos | greetings everyone. | 19:44 |
| zylopfa | Greetigns | 19:44 |
| @scrottie | yooo | 19:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, if i'm not mistaken you are good with Java too, isn't that right? | 19:45 |
| @scrottie | ugh. I'm always rusty with Java. | 19:46 |
| zylopfa | scrottie, grats a lot on the fine campaign!! | 19:46 |
| @scrottie | thank you. | 19:46 |
| zylopfa | Grats to all of us! | 19:46 |
| @scrottie | Java and JavaScript I've been doing since they first came out.. but very on and off. | 19:46 |
| @scrottie | at this point, I'm really good at Java 1.2! | 19:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, i'm doing my revision because in 2 weeks i will be on annual leave and i will send a few CVs and i might need to revise my generics knowledge | 19:46 |
| ToApolytoXaos | LOL | 19:46 |
| @scrottie | your revision? | 19:47 |
| @scrottie | I'm going to be quiet for about a week here too. I'm hauling my car rebuild project back to AZ from TX by moving truck and wrapping up a few other odds and ends. | 19:48 |
| @scrottie | I won't be too much of a stranger, just not doing anything too interesting for a week. | 19:48 |
| ToApolytoXaos | wait a minute...you got the Texas job AND you are running the wG project at the same time?! | 19:49 |
| ToApolytoXaos | and studying as well? | 19:50 |
| @scrottie | not exactly | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | long story, but I've already been bouncing between TX and AZ | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | but not Houston. College Station. | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | seeing someone who moved out here for a postdoc research position at tamu.edu. | 19:51 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i suck with geography lol, let alone with US states :D | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | so my project while I'm in TX has been rebuilding a Honda Z600. | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | 1,100 miles away but a straight shot by Amtrak. | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | Amtrak = the US's badly neglected national rail system. | 19:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | dismantling a car and reconstructing from scratch? | 19:52 |
| ToApolytoXaos | *it from | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | this country has a fetish for crumbling infrastructure. | 19:52 |
| @scrottie | not entirely. not yet. just the engine. | 19:53 |
| ToApolytoXaos | yeah they like BIG things | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | Texas is even worse in that regard. | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | so I didn't take the cPanel job. | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | maybe after this. we'll see. | 19:53 |
| ToApolytoXaos | huge cars, huge highways, humongous burgers... | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | heh. | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | the Z600 isn't huge ;) | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cartype.com%2Fpics%2F7213%2Ffull%2Fhonda_z600_coupe_fs_71.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cartype.com%2Fpages%2F4031%2Fhonda_z600_coupe__1971&h=656&w=900&tbnid=jxKb1iJUsxeEhM%3A&zoom=1&docid=8xt_0qqLV79w_M&ei=F5fOU4nACeOd8QGZ-oHoCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CDoQMygHMAc&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=289&page=1&start=0&ndsp=10 | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | not mine | 19:53 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imcdb.org%2Fi111047.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.imcdb.org%2Fvehicle_111047-Honda-Z600-AZ600-1972.html&h=576&w=720&tbnid=YU-lz2Od3u148M%3A&zoom=1&docid=4_bpmodJnDIQFM&ei=F5fOU4nACeOd8QGZ-oHoCA&tbm=isch&ved=0CHwQMyhAMEA&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=822&page=4&start=47&ndsp=20 | 19:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's 6 liters engine | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | kind of a bizarre pic but gives a better idea of scale | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | no | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | 0.6L | 19:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it will die in the middle | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | huh? | 19:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the z600 does not represent the engine power? | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | it does. 600cc. | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | = 0.6L | 19:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | therefore the engine it's 6 liters of oil | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | 2 cylinder engine | 19:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 19:55 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i would love to drive it! | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | it's fun | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | Volkswagen bugs tower over you | 19:56 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i would compete Mr. Bean's Mini | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | you'd compete it? | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | Z600 is basically a cheap Japanese Mini knock off | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | before the Japanese stopped building disposable garbage | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i love Japanese technology | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | me too | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i would love to buy an old Toyota Corolla | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | but in the early 70's, they were basically like China now | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we used to bring them here straight from Japan | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | '75 Corolla was my first car | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | those cars are damn important | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | heh | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | let me tell you what we did with a friend | 19:57 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the car was almost 20 years old | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | around '73 and '74, they started building *quality* and doing awesome design and engineering work | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | but before then, they were doing cheap knock offs | 19:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | and he was forced by the government to withdraw it because of age | 19:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we decided to make it crack | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | aww | 19:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we removed the oil from the engine | 19:58 |
| ToApolytoXaos | and prepared everything | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | bastards. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | just put it in stoarage. | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | help with certain services, my pal's dad and so forth | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | storage. | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | wait :D | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we took the car a huge trip of 200km | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | Limassol - Nicosia and back to Limassol | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it did not complain at all!!! | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | we took it to the mechanic | 19:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | he opened the engine cover and realized that the engine self protected itself with a thick layer of oil, converting it in a form of grease | 20:00 |
| ToApolytoXaos | engine *itself | 20:00 |
| ToApolytoXaos | my pal start crying and kissing the car :D | 20:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | they have been inseparable since then :D | 20:01 |
| @scrottie | haha | 20:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | he pays everything coming straight from Japan | 20:01 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it's a living mule that car | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | I don't have to drive for anything (and I have a motorcycle that's more fo a daily runner than the Z600), but if I had to drive, I think I'd import one of these: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Subaru_Sambar_Dias_001.JPG | 20:02 |
| ToApolytoXaos | somebody's a big Jackie Chan fan | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | also Kai class. same size as the Z600... 3 meters long | 20:03 |
| @scrottie | haven't watched many Jackie Chan movies. nope. but it sounds like if I got one, I'd hear from them (fans) | 20:03 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's the car i have, but no diesel http://luigimotors.com/images/stock/Ford/Focus/Diesel-RF57/BIG/1.JPG | 20:04 |
| @scrottie | the Focus is really common in the states. | 20:04 |
| @scrottie | they're okay for a budget car. | 20:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i did not have a choice back when i bought it :/ | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | outside of Texas, there isn't much loyalty to American cars in the US | 20:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i want a corolla :( | 20:05 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1989-1991_Toyota_Corolla_(AE92)_CS_sedan_05.jpg | 20:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's my pal's car | 20:06 |
| ToApolytoXaos | good ol' college memories | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1990/1861/4973430009_large.jpg | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | only other car I've ever owned | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | '75. 2TC engine | 20:07 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | aaah that too brings back so many warm child memories with family :D | 20:18 |
| jabberwok | scrottie: after i substituted mariadb, the installer completed normally. so now i'm at step 0 of the readme, methinks. "Start from WebGUI 7.10.23 or the example .conf and create.sql that comes with WebGUI 8." -- i'm not sure what that means or what exactly i do next. | 20:25 |
| @scrottie | step 0 on which readme? https://github.com/alliumcepa/webgui? | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | if the installer finished, wG8 should be installed and ready to start | 20:29 |
| @scrottie | and it should have left you a .sh for starting it | 20:29 |
| @scrottie | and told you that it did and where it is | 20:29 |
| jabberwok | hmm, lemme see | 20:30 |
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| jabberwok | reading webgui_installer.pl suggests there should be a webgui.sh but `find . -iname "*sh"` from my ~homedir only finds cleanup.sh from the installer itself. -- is there a logfile of all the decisions that the installer made? | 20:55 |
| @scrottie | nope. | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | what did you use for an installdir? it should be in there. | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | I think it defaults to /data | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | if a step fails, it submits the stdout/stderr of that to a cgi on slowass.net (with permission) | 20:58 |
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| jabberwok | pretty sure it defaulted to /home/bill/webgui/something ... there was-and-is no /data on this system.... just did `updatedb` and then `locate webgui.sh` says there isn't one anywhere. odd. | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | hrm. okay. | 21:13 |
| @scrottie | thanks for the reports. | 21:13 |
| jabberwok | i'll try it again soon and keep closer notes to see if i can grok what's happening. | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | hang on | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | just pushed up a new version that notices and reports error when it can't open webgui.sh | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | so if that fails, it won't fail silently | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | (bad scrottie!) | 21:19 |
| jabberwok | c'est bon | 21:21 |
| ckotil | finally got a 64bit wre (latest) going on centos6 | 21:25 |
| ckotil | wg7 | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | hmm! | 21:28 |
| jabberwok | frum18gyre | 21:48 |
| jabberwok | eeeek | 21:48 |
| jabberwok | wrong window | 21:48 |
| jabberwok | well i guess that password's shot now | 21:49 |
| * scrottie nods slowly | 21:49 | |
| jabberwok | HA | 21:49 |
| * scrottie points at perlbot | 21:49 | |
| * jabberwok social-engineers himself | 21:49 | |
| jabberwok | at least it was only my virtual-machine one. | 21:52 |
| jabberwok | Global symbol "$installer_dir" requires explicit package name at webgui_installer.pl line 1433. ### should be $install_dir methinks | 21:57 |
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| @scrottie | gah | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | pushed | 22:10 |
| jabberwok | ahh, it gets this far --> Configuring Imager-File-PNG-0.90 ... N/A ||| ! Configure failed for Imager-File-PNG-0.90. See /root/.cpanm/work/1234.567/build.log for details. | 22:16 |
| jabberwok | PNG: Generic: includes not found - libraries not found | 22:17 |
| jabberwok | PNG: v1.6: includes not found - libraries not found | 22:17 |
| jabberwok | PNG: v1.5: includes not found - libraries not found ...... etc | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | okay. | 22:18 |
| jabberwok | posted possible fix in issues page | 22:22 |
| jabberwok | centos will probably need the other fix from the document i linked. | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | okay, thank you for your research there. I don't think I'll be able to work on this for a week though =( | 22:23 |
| jabberwok | Ooooo it's creating databases | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | heh, what else is it going to do? | 22:24 |
| jabberwok | templating out config files, couldn't open output file /etc/nginx/conf.d/webgui8.conf: ||Permission denied | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | but I could merge the installer into wG8 and make sure you have commit access if you want to commit directly =) | 22:24 |
| * scrottie nods | 22:24 | |
| @scrottie | it should probably use sudo to do that | 22:24 |
| jabberwok | but it's Very Close | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | sudo support isn't well tested. mostly I just ran it as root. | 22:24 |
| jabberwok | tried running as root... got the rpc result=22 http code=408 that i just posted in Issues. had that happen before. but running again as root, it halts when webgui user Already Exists. | 22:30 |
| @scrottie | no, that's not because the user exists... github might not throttle too many checkouts of the same repo in too short of order by the same IP | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | but it looks like the git clone failed | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | so it should probably be smarter about that. | 22:33 |
| jabberwok | in general the chance to retry the same step -- after correcting the error in another vt, for example -- would be the single biggest improvement | 22:34 |
| @scrottie | ABORT RETRY FAIL? | 22:34 |
| jabberwok | (( sound of floppy seeking incessantly )) da-na da-na. da-na. daaaaa-naaaa. | 22:35 |
| jabberwok | ooo Running upgrade script.... Installation is wrapping up. ||/data/webgui.sh shows how to manually launch WebGUI. | 22:36 |
| jabberwok | YAYYYYY | 22:37 |
| jabberwok | it works | 22:37 |
| jabberwok | champage all aroudn | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | hahaha | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | needs love though. | 22:38 |
| jabberwok | http://blog.wlindley.com/2014/07/webgui8-pre-release-install/ written up | 22:55 |
| jabberwok | 100% functional. splendid. | 22:57 |
| ichesnokov | It would be nice to have a set of command-line parameters to install WebGUI in an "unattended" mdoe | 23:08 |
| ichesnokov | mode* | 23:08 |
| ichesnokov | I.e. ./webgui_installer.pl --site www.example.com --db_user root --db_pass 123456 et | 23:08 |
| ichesnokov | c | 23:08 |
| ichesnokov | (my 2 cents) | 23:09 |
| ichesnokov | Nice writing btw. | 23:09 |
| ichesnokov | BTW moving to cpanm instead of cpan would help with installing modules under perlbrew | 23:10 |
| ichesnokov | (it would be nice to have comments in that blog too btw) | 23:12 |
| ichesnokov | Out of interest - is there a plugin for WebGUI that would implement a shop similar to Ebay? One of my former clients wants something like this and asks me about the existing solution that can be quickly set up and used. The down side is that I'm not aware of any written in Perl (nor in other language, but at least I'm pretty sure that they exist). | 23:13 |
| jabberwok | the installer uses cpanm, it's just the config that's not quite perfected, methinks. Yes, i like the installer parameters concept; did you want to open an Issue with that ? | 23:18 |
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| @scrottie | ichesnokov, come back! | 23:33 |
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| jabberwok | egads, the WordPress Codex still runs MediaWiki 1.15.5 from 2010?! (as revealed in the generator tag at codex.wordpress.org) | 15:28 |
| jabberwok | even their billion-dollar company can't keep their critical software updated. | 15:29 |
| jabberwok | http://www.cvedetails.com/vendor/7823/Webgui.html --- only three vulnerabilities /ever/ | 15:38 |
| jabberwok | compare: http://www.cvedetails.com/product/4096/Wordpress-Wordpress.html 177 vulns, 12 in 2014 alone | 15:39 |
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| jabberwok | the biggest challenge i see is creating excellent documentation. that's one place WordPress excels. stuff like this: https://make.wordpress.org/docs/plugin-developer-handbook/ | 17:12 |
| jabberwok | http://blogs.perl.org/users/damien_dams_krotkine/2013/09/p5-mop.html ... fascinating. | 17:26 |
| @scrottie | I'm going to need help with a lot of this stuff. I already have an ambitious scope. I can't really throw much more on. I'm hoping that if we show some signs of life, we can attract more people to help. | 17:57 |
| @scrottie | The README.md has a link to a few of the handbooks. I think there are 5 total. But you're welcome to create a ticket for taking and updating those to be correct for 8 and to be better documentation. | 17:58 |
| jabberwok | cheers, i hope to do as much as possible. my last WordPress clients are acting like salted slugs, this all comes along at a good time. | 18:08 |
| sany_ok | Hello | 18:43 |
| sany_ok | What do you think about having a Windows GUI client for posting, doing SEO optimizations, may be safe content generation, etc.? | 18:44 |
| sany_ok | http://aulix.com/awso | 18:44 |
| sany_ok | http://aulix.com/seo-tool | 18:44 |
| sany_ok | SEO tool to automate promotion of WebGUI sites as much as possible | 18:45 |
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| @scrottie | yo pvanthony | 19:30 |
| pvanthony | hello | 19:31 |
| jabberwok | greets | 19:33 |
| jabberwok | sany_ok: automated content and integrated seo assist would be splendid | 19:39 |
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| @scrottie | in my brain, SEO = spam | 21:00 |
| @scrottie | wG is already crawlable by search engines. you just need content. that gets people to link to you. everything already works as it should. | 21:01 |
| ckotil | heh spamdexing | 21:01 |
| @scrottie | oh, he left | 21:01 |
| * scrottie sighs | 21:01 | |
| @scrottie | need to give sany_ok a different chore | 21:01 |
| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/google-sitemap-config-xml | 21:01 |
| jabberwok | there is a vast difference between "real" seo (real, unique, good content, well organized) versus snake-oil seo. | 21:49 |
| jabberwok | =sigh= playing dirty with google only ever causes pain. then again, using google only causes pain in the end too. | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | heh | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | I remember when Google used to return results that actually included some of your search terms | 21:51 |
| jabberwok | i would reply but i'd only sound cynical, jaded, and snarky | 21:54 |
| jabberwok | i preferred altavista | 21:54 |
| * ToApolytoXaos recommends DuckDuckgo - it's a humongous Perl project with an amazing C++ engine ;) | 21:59 | |
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| jabberwok | gosh the installer takes awhile on a bare debian system. re-running to nail down my "how to install" notes. | 18:05 |
| jabberwok | thinking ahead to Docker: in the case of one physical server for a variety of clients, could the setup be that each client has their own independent docker container, with nginx on the "actual" machine simply talking via a port to each? | 18:06 |
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| @scrottie | don't know enough about how people use Docker to say. | 23:00 |
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| @scrottie | in general, running on a high port still counts as running, basically | 23:18 |
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| beppu | jabberwok scrottie :: something like this could probably be adapted to webgui: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-dockerise-and-deploy-multiple-wordpress-applications-on-ubuntu | 01:14 |
| @scrottie | will read and/or paste into ticket | 01:14 |
| beppu | read all the way down to the comments, because the explanation of how to run multiple instances isn't in the article but in the comments. | 01:15 |
| @scrottie | okay | 01:16 |
| beppu | scrottie: You should setup github so that commits to AlliumCepa/webgui are mentioned in this channel. | 02:18 |
| beppu | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/settings/hooks/new?service=irc | 02:19 |
| beppu | There's a freenode example near the bottom of the instructions. | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | oooh | 05:17 |
| jabberwok | sounds like i need to redo my WP server... might make upgrades way easier | 05:18 |
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| haarg | at some point i'm going to make a github commit reporter bot. the thing provided by github is awful. | 13:38 |
| haarg | same thing with travis-ci | 13:39 |
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| @scrottie | heh | 16:49 |
| @scrottie | seems like it would be hard to get wrong | 16:50 |
| haarg | it joins, spews three lines, the parts | 16:50 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 16:51 |
| @scrottie | okay, not ideal. | 16:51 |
| beppu | haarg scrottie / there's a way to make it send a message without joining or parting. | 17:57 |
| haarg | channel has to be -n though | 17:57 |
| beppu | yeah | 17:58 |
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| jabberwok | any suggestions on how to debug installer hang, https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/10 ? | 15:26 |
| ckotil | i had issues with the 'latest' wre installer. i had to comment a lot of stuff out and install manually to complete it :/ | 15:50 |
| jabberwok | i started in CP/M days and been programming Perl since '95, WordPress user since 2006 but I'm hoping to move to this system. Three weeks in and I haven't been able to manage to even get it running. Not sure how any mere mortal could use this. Quite frustrating. | 16:01 |
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| ckotil | i first installed webgui circa 2004 on freebsd | 16:18 |
| ckotil | that was a chore | 16:18 |
| ckotil | jabberwok: try running /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl see what it says | 16:22 |
| ckotil | that will tell you if you have all the dependencies at least | 16:22 |
| jabberwok | all OK | 16:22 |
| ckotil | is this the installer for wg8? | 16:22 |
| jabberwok | yes | 16:22 |
| ckotil | i managed to get it going once about 2 yrs ago. it was foreign to me, being customed to wg7 | 16:23 |
| jabberwok | it worked once. then i removed the user and the database/tables and rm -rf /data ... it might be stuck because the nginx config exists; that's the only complaint it gave, but it continued. | 16:24 |
| jabberwok | i guess it wants to be the only thing running on the machine... whereas on any real web host, it will have to co-exist. At least with other webgui installs for multiple websites and customers. | 16:25 |
| ckotil | nah it can co-exist, it's just difficult | 16:26 |
| jabberwok | i'm thinking we can steal^H^H^H^H borrow the nginx-config-editing Perl code from webmin/virtualmin | 16:30 |
| jabberwok | webmin still is mostly Perl-4-ish o.O | 16:31 |
| jabberwok | at least it's gpl. | 16:31 |
| ckotil | im trying to make an rpm of wg7, webgui part is done. now im on to wre to hopeully provide all the dependencies the webgui rpm requires :/ | 16:44 |
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| @scrottie | drove the moving truck to AZ, unloaded it, returned it, put away as much as I could | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | sorry to vanish for a bit | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | "any suggestions on how to debug installer hang" ... I'd suspect wre and the upgrade scripts. | 21:14 |
| @scrottie | jabberwok, re: why any mortal would use this, remember, 8 is alphaware and so is my installer. | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | you're the second person to test it, and it has bitrotted over the last year. | 21:15 |
| @scrottie | I know the installer doesn't work, but if it can be made to work, it'll be a huge improvement over the install process (7's install process does work but it's time consuming and hard to get right) | 21:16 |
| ckotil | scrottie: im pretty close to having a drop in rpm for webgui and wre wg7 tho | 21:16 |
| @scrottie | yay | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | ckotil++ | 21:17 |
| ckotil | 64bit centos6 | 21:17 |
| ckotil | fighting last few deps now | 21:17 |
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| jabberwok | *nod* fortunatly, all of us here are under contract with Marvel or DC. **wheels in box of tools** | 23:23 |
| jabberwok | oops, nobody's supposed to see the tool-box. | 23:23 |
| jabberwok | (that's what the cape is for) | 23:23 |
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| @scrottie | I'll take the bug reports I have in a day or two here. | 23:41 |
| jabberwok | cheers. if anything i'm just overeager to get started. | 23:42 |
| @scrottie | no, not at all. it's kind of embarassing that I vanished like that right as this got funded. timing. | 23:43 |
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| beppu | Yesterday, I thought I'd take a relatively easy bug and try to fix it. I found out how little I knew about webgui. | 01:50 |
| beppu | http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/12434 | 01:50 |
| @scrottie | yeah, there's some ... machenary... in palce | 01:52 |
| @scrottie | place | 01:52 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI/Asset*.pm somewhere (maybe Asset.pm itself) has logic for saving edits to assets. | 01:53 |
| @scrottie | subclasses can hook in to that but for a bug like that that affects all assets, it's likely related to that. | 01:53 |
| @scrottie | logic for generating edit forms from asset schemas is in there too. | 01:53 |
| beppu | It generates HTML? | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | that's part of ?func=edit | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | or ?func=edit_save | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | I think | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | I might be mangling that | 01:54 |
| @scrottie | Asset.pm getEditForm(), www_editSave() | 01:55 |
| @scrottie | www_ in front of a function means things will automatically dispatch there when ?func=whatever is added to the asset's URL | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | so a good place to start would be just to see if the parameter makes it there and then if it makes it into the database if so | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | select url from asset where assetId=whatever | 01:56 |
| @scrottie | select assetId from assetData where url=whatever | 01:57 |
| beppu | The bug report makes it sound like WebGUI::Asset should have some property that stores a value representing a templating engine. None of the properties I saw via `grep "^property" < lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm` popped out at me as likely candidates. | 02:05 |
| beppu | oh wait... webgui stores templates in the template table (in the dataase)?! | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | heh | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | a template is just another asset. | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | you can look at it directly, and it has an edit screen. | 02:08 |
| @scrottie | the WebGUI::Form::Template (I think it is) control that gets used in the edit screen of other assets lets you select an asset of the correct type (there are namespaces) and it links you to the edit screen for that template asset. | 02:08 |
| @scrottie | as far as www_editSave(), since it saves data for all kinds of assets, including ones written by 3rd parties, the field names aren't hard-coded. | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | instead, it consults the asset definition of the current asset | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | which is built out of a lot of Moose goo | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | and yeah, in this case, WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm has a 'parser' field | 02:10 |
| @scrottie | select distinct parser from template | 02:10 |
| @scrottie | ... WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate ... one result. that seems wrong. | 02:10 |
| @scrottie | I thought 8 made heavy use of TT. maybe upgrades haven't run yet on this copy of the database. | 02:11 |
| @scrottie | wG7 sites usually added TT support and did a lot of local templates in TT but I think the built in templates are all HTMLTemplate | 02:11 |
| beppu | In the config file there's a templateParsers option that lists WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplate and WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | sounds right | 02:13 |
| beppu | I imagine whatever is in that config var should be the list of choices. | 02:13 |
| @scrottie | I never sat that up. I only kept walking in to large existing projects. | 02:14 |
| @scrottie | that already had that set up. | 02:14 |
| beppu | I actually have some $work to do, but I'll come back to this bug later. | 02:15 |
| @scrottie | there's probably docs out there somewhere.. let me see | 02:15 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/template-toolkit-introduction | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | https://www.webgui.org/ht_to_tt | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | https://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/how-to-enable-other-template-engines ... there it is | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | "Now, restart your WebGUI and try to add a new tempate to the system. In the Properties tab under Template Engine, you should be able to select your newly-enabled template engine." yup | 02:17 |
| beppu | It looks like the old admin form had a select for Template Type. | 02:18 |
| beppu | (page 10 of the pdf linked to from http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/template-toolkit-introduction) | 02:19 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 02:22 |
| beppu | I think I have a fix. The parser property was set to noFormPost => 1; When I turned that to 0, the select showed up with the right values. | 02:24 |
| @scrottie | where was it set to noFormPost? in Template.pm? | 02:24 |
| @scrottie | that would certainly do it. | 02:24 |
| beppu | submitting the form changed the value too. | 02:25 |
| @scrottie | hmm? | 02:26 |
| beppu | I think I fxied the bug. | 02:26 |
| @scrottie | ahh, submitting the form *after* making that change | 02:26 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu opened pull request #11: allow template engine selection (master...master) https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/pull/11 | 02:29 |
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| beppu | nice, you set up the github <=> irc integration. | 02:30 |
| * scrottie nods | 02:30 | |
| @scrottie | yeah, thanks for pointing me at that | 02:30 |
| @scrottie | beppu++ | 02:30 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/d9fbe40c607e...2a7a3ed1ddf0 | 02:31 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master eb96f00 John BEPPU: allow template engine selection... | 02:31 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 2a7a3ed Scott Walters: Merge pull request #11 from beppu/master... | 02:31 |
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| beppu | whoo | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | kinda spammy with the join/part | 02:32 |
| beppu | If you're willing to set this channel to -n, you can make it message via notices instead. (no join or part) | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | what exactly does -n do? | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | just that? don't have to be in the channel to /msg it? | 02:33 |
| beppu | +n means no external messages - https://www.alien.net.au/irc/chanmodes.html | 02:34 |
| beppu | -n means people who aren't on this channel can send messages to it. | 02:34 |
| beppu | haarg (i think) was concerned about possible spam, but #reactjs is -n, and it's not been an issue there. | 02:35 |
| @scrottie | I'm glad I don't ever actually have to do any real operator duties. | 02:36 |
| @scrottie | I'm just trying to figure out the command =P | 02:36 |
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| beppu | I'm an irc noob. I just know enough to talk to developers on freenode. | 02:37 |
| @scrottie | http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/opguide.html | 02:37 |
| * scrottie coughs | 02:37 | |
| @scrottie | I've written IRC clients and the MUD proxy but I don't know the stupid commands =P | 02:37 |
| beppu | hehe | 02:37 |
| beppu | stupid commands; who needs them anyway. | 02:37 |
| @scrottie | teehee | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | oh, by the way jabberwok, I merged the installer into the main repo | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | in case you find things to fix | 02:38 |
| beppu | So how do I close http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/12434 ? | 02:39 |
| @scrottie | I don't think I have access to give you access | 02:40 |
| @scrottie | I updated it. | 02:40 |
| beppu | The ticket history is weird. Reading it backwards, it goes from Ticket created -> Resolved -> Pending (so it's still in the pending state). | 02:44 |
| @scrottie | huh? | 02:44 |
| @scrottie | grr. | 02:44 |
| beppu | Oh, now it's resolved. | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I just did that | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | that's a bug | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | I marked it resolved and then posted a comment | 02:45 |
| beppu | a metabug | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | the comment post must have posted state data with respect to that drop down | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | heh | 02:45 |
| @scrottie | frodwith rewrote the bug tracker asset but that's still waiting to be tested/fixed/merged in. | 02:46 |
| @scrottie | so in that parallel universe, that bug is likely non-existant. | 02:46 |
| beppu | ...so an asset can be something as small as a template to something as big as an application? | 02:49 |
| @scrottie | yes. | 02:49 |
| beppu | How does URL routing work? | 02:50 |
| @scrottie | fundamentally, an asset is just a .pm file that inherits WebGUI::Asset. it *probably* has its own table and declares properties to be persistent in it. | 02:50 |
| @scrottie | Snippets are probably the smallest asset. they're just a bit of text that can be inserted and edited by admins, not by users. | 02:50 |
| @scrottie | unless permissions are set to allow users to edit them. | 02:50 |
| @scrottie | re: routing, "content handlers" get first crack | 02:51 |
| @scrottie | they handle things like func=edit and op=turnAdminOn | 02:51 |
| beppu | While clicking around like a normal person, the URL stayed at "http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues" but it also knew how to handle the permalink, "http://www.webgui.org/community/webgui-8/issues/12435". | 02:51 |
| @scrottie | (my brain always adds sexual conotations to that op) | 02:51 |
| beppu | haha | 02:51 |
| beppu | (took me a second to get it) | 02:52 |
| @scrottie | the last content handler to run (and they're listed in the config file) handles assets. it looks in assetData for the url, creates an instance of the correct object (class with the right assetId, so data is read in from the database for that assetId), and then calls www_view() on it | 02:52 |
| beppu | gotta go back to doing $work; will send more pull requests in the future | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | yay | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | cool. happy hackin'. | 02:59 |
| beppu | Is WebGUI ever going to be uploaded to CPAN? | 03:18 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I prioritized that lower than some other things. | 03:19 |
| @scrottie | we've (PB developers) kind of always wanted to get rid of Image::Magick as a dep first, since it almost never installs without problems (CPAN version and debian/ubuntu/whatever system package have to exactly match or it breaks... the people who make the ImageMagick library don't understand Unix shared library versioning) | 03:20 |
| @scrottie | haarg mostly reworked it to use Imager instead. that needs to be merged in and finished or else stuff that isn't finished pushed off to the side for now. | 03:21 |
| beppu | What do you plan on tackling first? Are you just going to work through the bug list? | 03:24 |
| @scrottie | I might work on the installer first since I have a fresh batch of bug reports from jabberwok. | 03:24 |
| @scrottie | that was also the thing I was working on last so it would be nice to finish it. | 03:25 |
| @scrottie | that would also let more people more easily install the broken wG8 so they can do things to it =P | 03:25 |
| beppu | Regarding installation, I'm curious to explore what docker has to offer. | 03:25 |
| @scrottie | that's been a common request. | 03:26 |
| beppu | If webgui installation could be reduced to a reliable shell one-liner, that would be big. | 03:27 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 03:27 |
| @scrottie | so... mst has been working on deployment logic for a while now. he has some pretty crazy logic. | 03:28 |
| @scrottie | I guess ShadowCat does a lot of deployment and provisioning. | 03:28 |
| @scrottie | the previous year, he demoed logic that ssh'd into a remote machine and bootstrapped stuff up with perlbrew, cpanm, etc. it also had an interesting feature where you could specify modules that didn't get installed remotely but got faked up. | 03:29 |
| @scrottie | when the code on the remote machine tried to use that module or call in to it, it proxied the request back to the machine initiating the request. | 03:29 |
| @scrottie | kind of an RPC thing. | 03:29 |
| @scrottie | I guess he has still been working on this, apparently trying to take on puppet. | 03:30 |
| @scrottie | I'm thinking of re-using the logic in my installer combined with this to make a site that does remote installations for you. | 03:30 |
| @scrottie | you give it your hostname, login, and password in a web form, hit go, and it deploys wG onto your server for you. | 03:31 |
| @scrottie | obviously a lot of people won't want to give away their root password =P | 03:32 |
| @scrottie | but I suspect that a lot would. | 03:32 |
| beppu | If you implement this, it should be able to do non-root installs. | 03:32 |
| @scrottie | argh. | 03:32 |
| beppu | no? | 03:33 |
| @scrottie | yeah, possible, but it makes the idea less attractive. | 03:33 |
| @scrottie | I know creating sub-roots with Debian packages (for example) is possible, and the trend is creating as many copies of everything as possible, but implementing that doesn't sound like fun | 03:33 |
| @scrottie | it's a lot easier to use the system package manager as root. | 03:34 |
| @scrottie | OSX support is a higher priority. | 03:34 |
| @scrottie | for me. | 03:34 |
| @scrottie | obviously, other people can implement whatever they like. | 03:34 |
| beppu | how many people are realistically going to deploy webgui on osx though? | 03:35 |
| @scrottie | not for production | 03:35 |
| @scrottie | but lots | 03:35 |
| @scrottie | almost all of the PB developers use OSX and developed on SOX | 03:35 |
| @scrottie | people when testing it always wanted to put it on their laptop first before putting it on a server | 03:35 |
| @scrottie | wG also makes it easy to stage stuff | 03:36 |
| beppu | I'm running it now on osx for development. I don't recall having to do anything weird or difficult. | 03:36 |
| @scrottie | you can export a 'wgpkg' file of a sub-tree of assets | 03:36 |
| @scrottie | eg, you can export everything under /home, and then have a file that you can upload in to the admin on your real server to upload all of the work you did configuring, adding, arranging assets (building pagelayouts out of other assets, customizing styles and templates, etc, etc) | 03:37 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I just need to make the installer support at least one OSX package system. | 03:37 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu opened pull request #12: add instructions for etc/log.conf (master...master) https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/pull/12 | 03:56 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/2a7a3ed1ddf0...2b35fe04e791 | 04:24 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master c9d8715 John BEPPU: add instructions for etc/log.conf | 04:24 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 2b35fe0 Scott Walters: Merge pull request #12 from beppu/master... | 04:24 |
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| beppu | scrottie: This may have been mentioned before, but the installer doesn't like perlbrew. | 09:18 |
| beppu | I had to revert to system perl before the Curses UI worked. | 09:20 |
| beppu | Once I got to the UI, I picked the option that said it would ask the Fewest Questions. | 09:22 |
| beppu | It seems to be stuck in an infinite loop trying to install Percona. (this is on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS) | 09:23 |
| beppu | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. | 09:24 |
| beppu | ^-- error from apt-get presumably | 09:24 |
| beppu | the offending package seems to be libmysqlclient18-dev | 09:25 |
| beppu | I think the root of the problem is that you're hardcoding "squeeze". The codename should probably be coming from `lsb_release --codename` | 09:44 |
| beppu | now the error is: | 10:05 |
| beppu | Package libmysqlclient18-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 10:05 |
| beppu | http://www.percona.com/doc/percona-server/5.5/installation/apt_repo.html | 10:11 |
| beppu | I wonder if libperconaserverclient18-dev would be a better package to install if we're using percona's repo. | 10:12 |
| beppu | I think it depends on what version of ubuntu or debian we're dealing with. For libmysqlclient18-dev is probably right. For ubuntu 14.04 (trusty), libperconaserverclient18-dev is probably right. | 10:18 |
| beppu | I think it's only trusty that doesn't have libmysqlclient18-dev; percona's repo seems to provide it for all previous versions of ubuntu and debian. | 10:28 |
| beppu | It finally installed percona and friends, but now it's stuck in an infinite loop asking me to set the password for the root database user. | 10:32 |
| beppu | I was able to hit enter the first time to skip it, but then it asked me again and I can't seem to give it any input anymore. | 10:33 |
| beppu | killing the whiptail process wasn't enough, because it just looped back to ask me the same thing. | 10:33 |
| beppu | I killed the next process up which was something called "frontend" and it kicked me back to the webgui installer which also wanted me to set a mysql root password. | 10:35 |
| beppu | The screen that was asking me before was one of those "friendly" dpkg screens. | 10:36 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/5fd24dc2a67a15923f4a53719ce11593376dbe14 | 10:40 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 5fd24dc John BEPPU: context sensitivity to debian/ubuntu version... | 10:40 |
| beppu | I misinterpreted the mysql password situation a bit; dpkg was asking me to set the root password; webgui_installer's ui was asking me to input an already set root password; | 11:03 |
| beppu | webgui didn't let me input a blank password, so I opened up another term and actually set a password and then inputted it into webgui_installer. | 11:04 |
| beppu | I added some code to make apt-get even less interactive, but the inability to input a blank password stopped me from progressing. | 11:06 |
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| beppu | ! Configure failed for Imager-File-PNG-0.91. See /home/beppu/.cpanm/work/1406707848.17949/build.log for details. | 11:11 |
| beppu | Warning (mostly harmless): No library found for -lpng | 11:12 |
| beppu | (not harmless afterall) | 11:12 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/5fd24dc2a67a...e7bec57c7bc1 | 11:22 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 2a5424e John BEPPU: install libpng-dev | 11:22 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master e7bec57 John BEPPU: a comment about DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive | 11:22 |
| beppu | when the database already exists or the install path already exists, the script balks which was annoying when rerunning the install script. I had to manually reset the state to debug the installer. | 11:23 |
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| jabberwok | scrottie: re: merge of installer: excellent. ... hm, howzit that my slashdot uid is lower than yours? | 03:12 |
| @scrottie | I didn't register for slashdot for a long time... near the end of its popularity I think. | 03:42 |
| @scrottie | never was much of a fan. I think I only registered to hype Perl 6 Now. | 03:43 |
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| beppu | my slashdot id is 32422 | 06:08 |
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| jabberwok | 62554 here. you were twice as fast as me, beppu | 15:30 |
| jabberwok | hm, i wonder how much i can ebay a 5-digit uid for? | 15:30 |
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| beppu | jabberwok: I'm just old. :P slashdot was my crack back in the day, too. I think it was more fun before they had user accounts. | 19:18 |
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| elnino | hi. | 22:22 |
| beppu | What's up elnino? | 22:38 |
| elnino | not much checking to see how things were going. I'm helping out with webgui.org and was wondering if anyone sees an immediate need that needs to be done on the site in preparation for wb8. | 22:50 |
| elnino | s/wb8/wg8 | 22:50 |
| beppu | There's not much at http://alliumcepa.github.io/ but you might want to link to it from the homepage so that people know this project is underway. | 23:02 |
| beppu | You might also want to link to https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083389021/create-perl-competition-to-the-php-content-managem . | 23:02 |
| beppu | It could be as simple as adding the links to that blue box on the homepage with news items in it. | 23:04 |
| elnino | great ideas! Thanks! | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | elnino, was I just talking to you by email? | 23:52 |
| elnino | yes. thats me. | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | trying to correlate names. that's all. | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | cool. | 23:52 |
| elnino | yep. | 23:52 |
| @scrottie | good to see you on here again! | 23:52 |
| elnino | =) | 23:53 |
| @scrottie | fixing broken links and updating stuff is a good start, but I wouldn't mind seeing links for developers to get involved in the project | 23:55 |
| @scrottie | webgui.org/8 might be linked in or not from other things (I always just type it in) | 23:55 |
| @scrottie | and it doesn't have much on it other than bug reports | 23:56 |
| @scrottie | I created a "github project" from my work for the PB webgui repo and made a README.md with some garbage in it about that that could be tidied up. | 23:57 |
| beppu | the banner on http://www.webgui.org/8 that says "join the discussion on irc" links to http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/irc which 404s | 23:57 |
| @scrottie | probably bigger fish to fry but they don't immediately come to mind | 23:57 |
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