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| elnino | k. I'll take a look at these tonight. | 00:10 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/e7bec57c7bc1...0a3e71e62a21 | 01:25 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 76b4df0 John BEPPU: minor refinement of install instructions | 01:25 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 0a3e71e John BEPPU: fix crash by preventing deletion of a session w/o valid id | 01:25 |
| @scrottie | beppu++ | 01:37 |
| @scrottie | that must have changed in 8 because that bug is unfathomable. | 01:37 |
| @scrottie | althought sessions usually stick around for a long time. the session cookie has a long off expiration time. did you notice what was making it expire in this case? | 01:38 |
| beppu | I looked at the cookies, and I saw that wgSession and m had an expiration date set to a year from now and there was also an sid that is set to expire less than an hour from now. | 02:17 |
| beppu | all I knew was that $self->getId was returning undef and passing that value to $self->cache->remove would cause CHI::something to crash. | 02:18 |
| beppu | You might recall that I ran into the exact same problem the first time I tried to run webgui. I got it running and then when I revisited it a few days later, BOOM. stacktrace. | 02:21 |
| beppu | Is no one else experiencing this crash? | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I remember you running in to that. | 02:29 |
| @scrottie | I haven't ran in to it. I don't know what the "m" and "sid" cookies are. I think that's part of 8 I'm not familiar with. | 02:30 |
| @scrottie | I think previously there was only the wgSession. | 02:30 |
| @scrottie | if it's still broken in some important way, someone will figure that out eventually. | 02:30 |
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| beppu | I wonder if m and sid are cookies that bled over from other webapps I ran on localhost (on different ports). | 02:36 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/0de918b2fd81467e95a38f60e18235d3c6ce85df | 02:46 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 0de918b John BEPPU: fix make it so that .adminConsoleWorkArea is tall enough to not clip its right sidebar short | 02:46 |
| @scrottie | woooo | 02:46 |
| beppu | scrottie: I was thinking that it would be nice to have a development blog to keep people abreast of new developments and add its feed to http://ironman.enlightenedperl.org/ for visibility among people who use perl. | 02:55 |
| @scrottie | sure. | 02:56 |
| @scrottie | I was just going to post Twitter and the webgui.org forums now and again. but a blog would be better. | 02:56 |
| beppu | not to be mean, but the webgui forums are a ghost town. | 02:57 |
| @scrottie | well, yeah. | 02:57 |
| beppu | your twitter is good, but there needs to be a place for articles too. | 02:57 |
| @scrottie | I honestly don't know how much my prescriptions will help things. | 02:57 |
| beppu | prescriptions? | 02:57 |
| @scrottie | even if it is easy to install and looks good, will it matter? | 02:57 |
| @scrottie | I guess that makes it an experiment. | 02:58 |
| @scrottie | goals of the Kickstarter | 02:58 |
| beppu | oh | 02:58 |
| @scrottie | too many URLs are problematic. what would be the best way to do that? | 02:58 |
| @scrottie | use webgui.org? I guess I have admin now. | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | haven't tried it yet. | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | as does elnino | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | that would be kind of cool if we started blogging there and then upgraded it to 8 and ugpraded the theme etc as we worked =) | 02:59 |
| @scrottie | (which reminds me that I haven't posted to keeptempehot.com in a while) | 03:00 |
| beppu | webgui.org is the best domain to publish info on. | 03:01 |
| @scrottie | I don't want to completely throw away what's there (though it's technically an option) until we're further along. | 03:01 |
| @scrottie | I hate cart-before-horse stuff. | 03:01 |
| @scrottie | so it should probably be cleaned up and re-orged a lot. | 03:02 |
| @scrottie | which makes elnino's arrival timely =) | 03:02 |
| beppu | Is elnino a plainblack employee? | 03:02 |
| @scrottie | nope. not that I know of. | 03:02 |
| @scrottie | right now, delikat and colin are doing wG stuff with PlainBlack. | 03:03 |
| @scrottie | delikat offered to help if I can find a good sized job for him. | 03:03 |
| beppu | For blogging, do you think plainblack would give us access to the existing http://blog.webgui.org/ ? | 03:07 |
| @scrottie | I think that's a Tumblr | 03:07 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 03:07 |
| @scrottie | probably | 03:07 |
| beppu | it is a tumblr | 03:07 |
| beppu | (no need to make a new blog when one already exists) | 03:07 |
| @scrottie | is that what we want to do? interested in opinion from jabberwork, elnino, and company | 03:08 |
| @scrottie | that one preson with the untypeable handle that I was trying to con into doing a site to put banners on | 03:09 |
| @scrottie | (still have to do banners) | 03:09 |
| @scrottie | should I open a ticket and give it a few days? | 03:09 |
| beppu | sure. | 03:10 |
| beppu | just need a place for technical content that's bigger than a tweet. | 03:10 |
| @scrottie | heh, right | 03:11 |
| @scrottie | elnino, are you on github? is your nick the same there? | 03:11 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/13 | 03:11 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu pushed 1 new commit to gh-pages: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/edfe207e99bc515f56cb54727feed96c1ff86a39 | 03:14 |
| webguicommits | webgui/gh-pages edfe207 John Beppu: Create gh-pages branch via GitHub | 03:14 |
| beppu | We can disable it, but http://alliumcepa.github.io/webgui/ is an option too. | 03:15 |
| @scrottie | what's the gh-pages branch for? | 03:15 |
| beppu | It's a special branch in the github system where you can put static content and it'll get published to $user.github.io/$project . | 03:16 |
| @scrottie | not sure that's used in this case (but I don't know this stuff well) | 03:16 |
| @scrottie | with a project page, it wants a seperate repo, which currently looks like this: http://alliumcepa.github.io/ | 03:16 |
| @scrottie | ahh, /$project | 03:17 |
| beppu | yeah | 03:17 |
| @scrottie | http://alliumcepa.github.io/webgui/ ... is that redundant? | 03:17 |
| @scrottie | with the other page? | 03:17 |
| beppu | kinda. we can get rid of it. | 03:17 |
| beppu | blog.webgui.org is probably the best option. | 03:18 |
| @scrottie | as long as there aren't so many pages that my head explodes =) | 03:18 |
| beppu | I'm just going to delete the branch. | 03:20 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] beppu deleted gh-pages at edfe207: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/edfe207 | 03:20 |
| @scrottie | it could be handy to have a page like that with more download/install options and link to that instead of the README.md in the main branch | 03:21 |
| @scrottie | I honestly have no idea and if someone else wants to sort it all out, I wouldn't mind too much. | 03:21 |
| beppu | Did you have any bigger plans for http://alliumcepa.github.io/ ? | 03:23 |
| beppu | What kind of content did you want there ^^^ ? | 03:23 |
| @scrottie | goals are 1. fulfill promise in the kickstarter to put banners on a community page 2. some pretty landing page that links people off to other things | 03:24 |
| @scrottie | and only PlainBlack needs a banner right now. | 03:24 |
| @scrottie | as far as linking people off elsewhere, a link to a dev blog, a link to an installer, and a link to the github repo/contributor info seems like a good start. | 03:25 |
| @scrottie | and it does one of those right now. | 03:25 |
| beppu | gonna head to http://js.la/ now. catch you later. | 03:33 |
| @scrottie | have fun! | 03:36 |
| beppu | The venue is pretty cool. It's a crazy artsy warehouse. | 05:07 |
| beppu | http://twobitcircus.com/ | 05:08 |
| @scrottie | not loading for some reason | 05:14 |
| beppu | http://i.imgur.com/iZmdtuu.jpg | 05:29 |
| elnino | scrottie - I might be. i don't know. | 05:41 |
| elnino | stepping away but will be back | 05:41 |
| @scrottie | beppu, cool. gamecolab had a really nice space too but they had to move. | 05:42 |
| elnino | scrottie. yes apparantly I am. I'm obviously not very active on github. not sure if I know my password. | 06:18 |
| elnino | i'm elnino04 | 06:23 |
| elnino | is there a way to following repositories? or do I have to follow people on github? | 06:24 |
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| @scrottie | yeah, you can follow repos | 06:44 |
| @scrottie | (sorry, this window got hidden) | 06:44 |
| @scrottie | if you go to https://github.com/alliumcepa/webgui, you should be able to click the "Watch" button | 06:45 |
| @scrottie | wanted to point out https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/13 to you | 06:46 |
| elnino | beppu and scrottie i'm not an employee of plain black. just catcing up. | 06:54 |
| elnino | scrottie | 06:58 |
| @scrottie | even when I was working there, they never really told me who they had hired. you just kind of ran into people. | 06:59 |
| elnino | blog, yep, that's what is a bit frustrating. webgui.org had blogs, but then jt or whoever went on some other platform, and I stopped getting notifications. ifyou're going to blog, I'd use the platformon which you are trying promote. and if it stinks, then it should be fixed. - that's my opinion. | 07:00 |
| @scrottie | adding that comment to that ticket on your behalf | 07:01 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I recall JT decided that they didn't really look good enough. and he was right. | 07:02 |
| elnino | webgui's or the other platform? | 07:02 |
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| @scrottie | webgui's didn't look good enough. | 07:02 |
| elnino | it seems hes got blogs everywhere, and I don't know where to look any nmore. | 07:03 |
| elnino | looks are easy to fix! | 07:03 |
| @scrottie | and I think JT wanted to tie into social networking aspects so people could follow him. | 07:03 |
| @scrottie | heh, yeah. | 07:03 |
| elnino | and that's what needs to be improved upon in webgui's CS. sigh. | 07:04 |
| @scrottie | well, so far, we have two votes in favor of blogging on webgui.org and one on blog.webgui.org. | 07:06 |
| elnino | well, I guess I would still blog on webgui. though it's not as featured as wordpress or others. we can always add social sharing stuff via facebook's code snippets. or use addthis . I think I came across someother niffty code. | 07:06 |
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| @scrottie | it might be worth setting up something on webgui.org again for beppu and others to look at. | 07:06 |
| elnino | oh. well what's blog.webgui.org? is that still webgui? or some other platform? | 07:06 |
| @scrottie | Tumblr | 07:07 |
| elnino | ah. yeah. yuck. | 07:07 |
| elnino | my official vote is indeed webgui.org (webgui's platform) | 07:07 |
| @scrottie | I think email notifications are more important than Facebook integration, but addthis could be done | 07:07 |
| elnino | scrottie, test | 07:12 |
| elnino | scrottie: test | 07:12 |
| elnino | MSG scrottie test | 07:12 |
| elnino | grr | 07:12 |
| elnino | dumb help file. | 07:12 |
| elnino | HELP | 07:18 |
| elnino | ? | 07:18 |
| elnino | grr. | 07:18 |
| @scrottie | /help | 07:18 |
| @scrottie | /msg | 07:18 |
| elnino | I'm better with webgui than xchat. =) | 07:21 |
| @scrottie | heh | 07:21 |
| elnino | ok. so I poked around. the blue box on the home page of webgui.org is a synicate feed of blog.webgui.org. and the link in the menu at the top is also pointing to blog.webgui.org | 07:23 |
| elnino | so it may be confusing to change those. is there a "webgui 8 " portoin of the website that we can have a blog and bug reports and stuff? i'm assumin addons probably wont' be compatible either. do we need a whole nother section? | 07:24 |
| @scrottie | webgui.org/8 is mostly the bug tracker right now, but that's the closest thing to that | 07:25 |
| elnino | in theory -if we have a wg-based blog we can list it's rss feed along side with blog.webgui.org's feed. so that they looked combined on the home page's blue box. | 07:26 |
| @scrottie | I think sites like feedburner will let you created one RSS feed combined from two | 07:26 |
| @scrottie | but I don't think people are really following 7 right now | 07:27 |
| @scrottie | 7 releases are just bugfix releases | 07:27 |
| @scrottie | I say get rid of the cruft. | 07:27 |
| @scrottie | if JT is happily handing over the keys, go crazy. | 07:28 |
| @scrottie | make it look alive. | 07:28 |
| elnino | need a blog first with content. =) ok here's my idea right now: | 07:28 |
| elnino | 1) create a whole section for wb8 link it from the top menu. | 07:29 |
| elnino | within this section include the bug tracker, blog, and whatever. | 07:29 |
| elnino | 3) in the current bug tracker make a decision point go 7x or 8x | 07:29 |
| elnino | 4) in the current request feature page, make a decision point to go 7x or 8x. so that all bases are covered. | 07:30 |
| elnino | 3) I'm referring to http://www.webgui.org/bugs, so you'll have two buttons or something. I know it's extra navigation which I normally do not like, but if people go there, the choice will be in itself a way to announce that we are still alive. (same with http://www.webgui.org/rfe) | 07:32 |
| elnino | OR. | 07:32 |
| @scrottie | one consideration is that changing URLs would kind of break links in that the page would have different stuff than it did before | 07:33 |
| @scrottie | eg if 8 bugs got moved from webgui.org/8 to somewhere else | 07:33 |
| @scrottie | but that might not be so bad | 07:33 |
| elnino | put the v8 prominantly on those pages, and then have a "are yo ulooking for v7? go here instead) type of thing. | 07:33 |
| @scrottie | on second thought, no one is using the site right now | 07:33 |
| elnino | I don't like changing urls. They won't change. i'm thinking webgui.org/8 is the new section. | 07:34 |
| elnino | we just move it so that it's up in the top navigation area. | 07:34 |
| @scrottie | okay. | 07:34 |
| @scrottie | works for me. | 07:34 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/community would also have to be updated to pull from both v7 and v8 | 07:36 |
| @scrottie | to minimize the ghost town effect, I propose making the wg8 area very small | 07:36 |
| elnino | so do you prefer the "choose v7 or v8" idea? or "here's v8, but if you want v7 you have to go here?" | 07:37 |
| @scrottie | one blog/forum for development updates; maybe an additional forum for discussion or maybe keep it the same one; one bug tracker | 07:37 |
| @scrottie | I like the idea of adding links to the 8 counterpart on various 7 pages | 07:37 |
| elnino | to confirm: "choose either v7 or v8"? | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | hmm. | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | that kind of changes urls if you force them to pick. | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | then links to the etcetra discussion board for example no longer go directly there. | 07:39 |
| @scrottie | maybe just put a highly visible link (pretty graphic maybe) linking to the 8 counterpart on various 7 related pages? | 07:40 |
| elnino | kinda. hold on,. | 07:41 |
| elnino | ok. lets talk bug tracker. | 07:42 |
| elnino | webgui.org/bugs is a pagelayout witha helpdesk asset dedicated to v7 | 07:43 |
| @scrottie | right | 07:43 |
| elnino | when you start working in the help desk itself, you are no longer on / bugs | 07:43 |
| elnino | so on / bugs, I'd either put two buttons that go directly to the corresponding help desks, or | 07:43 |
| elnino | put the v8 on / bugs and make v7 stand on its own. make sense? no urls would change because once you are in the help desk your looking at it's url, not / bugs | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | I might be not seeing what you're thinking, but pages with just two links (to 7 and to 8) seems kind of ugly to me. | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | but if you think I'm wrong, please go ahead anyway. | 07:44 |
| elnino | I agree I'm leaning towards puting v8 on / bugs and saying "if you want v7 it's over here now" | 07:45 |
| @scrottie | hrm? | 07:46 |
| @scrottie | I think I'm being opinionated where I shouldn't be because I don't understand... | 07:46 |
| @scrottie | but it seems like leaving /bugs for 7 but adding a link to /8 to view 8 bugs makes more sense | 07:46 |
| @scrottie | less stuff moves | 07:46 |
| elnino | I'll be done with a version tag here soon. | 07:50 |
| @scrottie | okay | 07:50 |
| elnino | do you have a request features help desk yet? | 07:52 |
| @scrottie | no... | 07:52 |
| @scrottie | before JT offered up access and run of webgui.org, I had this idea I'd set up a "project" on github | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | so we've been using that | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | alliumcepa.github.io | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | alliumcepa.github.io/webgui/issues | 07:53 |
| elnino | oh ok. so you want to continue using that? | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | I'm not sure any more =P | 07:54 |
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| @scrottie | that's just supposed to be a landing page that looks nice and links people off and displays a few banners | 07:54 |
| elnino | I wonder if v8 requests are being entered in the current system on webgui.org | 07:54 |
| @scrottie | well, webgui.org/8 is kind of a combined bug tracker and feature request tracker | 07:55 |
| elnino | oh i guess rfes do not specify versions. | 07:55 |
| elnino | yep, there'sthat too. its a blur. | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | but having them go into the main rfe thing when they should go in webgui.org/8 will get them ignored | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | because no one is going to add ambitious new features to 7 | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | or really make much of any serious changes to it | 07:56 |
| elnino | well, in a sense, rfes apply to both v7 and v8 - someone just has to go thru the rfes listed and see if they've been fullfilled. | 07:59 |
| @scrottie | yeah, that's a good point. | 07:59 |
| @scrottie | I have a pretty well defined mission and it doesn't include implementing RFEs. | 07:59 |
| @scrottie | in fact, most of the stuff marked "blocking" in the 8 tracker, I'm not planning to do. | 08:00 |
| @scrottie | my goals are: make it really really easy to install; make it look good; get a beta out. | 08:00 |
| @scrottie | after that, we'll see, but so far, 8 has suffered far too much from a certain person refusing to ever finish it and let it go. | 08:00 |
| @scrottie | ... and I'm working on the installer first and then bugs so that people can install the buggy thing, and then so that they can run a less buggy ugly thing, etc | 08:01 |
| elnino | That's a good plan. And really I think rfes are a bit premature. So maybe just leave it as is. when v8 comes out, then we can look cleaning them up. | 08:01 |
| @scrottie | cool. | 08:01 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 08:01 |
| elnino | ok. i'll look at the bug traker thing again. | 08:02 |
| @scrottie | alright. let me know if you want feedback on anything (or just want to share). | 08:02 |
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| elnino | preference to v7.x? v7? 7.x? | 08:14 |
| @scrottie | hmm. no opinion... | 08:19 |
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| elnino | i'm doing 7.x | 08:24 |
| elnino | =) | 08:24 |
| elnino | it's what i've noticed the most. | 08:24 |
| @scrottie | heh | 08:24 |
| @scrottie | okay | 08:24 |
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| elnino | k i'm done. here's what I got: | 08:32 |
| elnino | ok, here's what I got under my version tag. | 08:32 |
| elnino | 1) The only article template I found to be eye catching is an awful yellow thing - so I used that....=) | 08:32 |
| elnino | 2) On http://www.webgui.org/user-guides - I renamed them to include 7.x. and put a "coming soon" for v8. For the future, I recommend a complete new set of userguides, OR just go to the wiki section. I find it confusing that they have an ordained wiki and a user wiki. There is good info in both, and hard to search in different areas. | 08:32 |
| elnino | 3) http://www.webgui.org/community/addons - I didn't do anything, but for the future, am I to assume that 7.x addons will not be compatible for v8? If so, I recommend putting I'll put 7.x everywhere on that page, and creating a new section for 8.x addons | 08:32 |
| elnino | 4) http://www.webgui.org/forums - I added a etc8 user forum - the other ones are pretty small and generic to both versions I' assuming, so I didn't add any others. | 08:32 |
| elnino | 5) http://www.webgui.org/bugs - I hid the 7.x, moved the 8.x onto this page. put a short cut on webgui.org/8 (so it's in both places without duplication) | 08:32 |
| elnino | 6) I didn't do this yet, but I'll move webgui.org/8 to top level so it appears on the main menu. | 08:33 |
| @scrottie | I don't think it would be honest to say "coming soon" for v8 guides since no one is even planning to work on that | 08:38 |
| @scrottie | and I'm sure the ones for 7 were a large undertaking by paid staff | 08:38 |
| @scrottie | re: 7.x addons, correct, sadly. | 08:39 |
| @scrottie | re: a new section for 8.x addons, let's burn that bridge when we come to it (when someone writes one) | 08:40 |
| @scrottie | would a developer's blog that people could comment on serve all needs? | 08:41 |
| @scrottie | right now, there aren't v8 users, yet | 08:41 |
| elnino | 2) I'll request for a volunteer then. =) | 08:41 |
| elnino | 3) agreed. i'll just write 7.x all over the addons page for clarity. | 08:41 |
| @scrottie | so discussion is going to be limited to discussion development for the time being. I hate to put forums up there that don't get used. just looks bad. | 08:41 |
| @scrottie | or were you thinking of us using the etc8 forum as the dev blog? | 08:42 |
| elnino | 4) to be used however you want. I'll go thru v7 and see if there is v8 discussion to be moved. | 08:42 |
| @scrottie | re: 6, as long webgui.org/8 goes to something, cool | 08:43 |
| @scrottie | okay. if it is a developer's blog, it could probably be named more aptly. webgui.org/8/blog ? | 08:43 |
| elnino | wait blog? I didn't do anything blog, just a forum. | 08:44 |
| @scrottie | heh | 08:44 |
| @scrottie | beppu suggested earlier that we start a blog to talk about development progress etc | 08:44 |
| @scrottie | then there was some discussion about whether it should be on webgui.org (you decided you were in favor of that after some discussion), on the existing blog.webgui.org Tumblr, or elsewhere. | 08:45 |
| elnino | yes. I aggree. I didn't make one yet.want me to add that under this version tag? | 08:45 |
| @scrottie | sure. | 08:45 |
| @scrottie | I'm thinking we should at least show it to beppu and company. | 08:45 |
| elnino | I won't commit it. | 08:46 |
| @scrottie | probably easier if you do. | 08:46 |
| @scrottie | please feel free to. | 08:46 |
| @scrottie | I don't see any harm in tweaking things and moving them around for a while, live. | 08:46 |
| elnino | re 2) you do have an install guide I saw on your github as a starter. | 08:47 |
| @scrottie | there are some install instructions in the repo at http://alliumcepa.github.org/webgui | 08:47 |
| @scrottie | but it's basically a short, unhelpful version of the source install instructions | 08:48 |
| @scrottie | I have a terminal (curses) based installer that's in progress | 08:48 |
| @scrottie | I want to move the source install instructions to another file and just tell people to use that, or some other method | 08:48 |
| @scrottie | there was talk of publishing a Docker container, and I have some other ideas | 08:48 |
| @scrottie | https://www.youtube.com/user/DanielProgrammer has a screencast thing of the curses installer | 08:50 |
| elnino | re 6, I moved it and moved it back. it looses the community sub menu on the left. So I'll just make a redirect instead. | 08:53 |
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| elnino | http://beta.webgui.org/ goes to YAPC is there a beta demo at all anymore? | 09:30 |
| @scrottie | strange | 09:31 |
| @scrottie | no, there isn't currently a beta | 09:31 |
| @scrottie | that's part of what I need to do. | 09:32 |
| @scrottie | but the installer comes first. | 09:32 |
| @scrottie | it's developer only at the moment. | 09:32 |
| elnino | I hid it for now. | 09:47 |
| elnino | ga I hate that. they had comments skipped for version tags. | 09:49 |
| elnino | for the record, this iswhat I did: | 09:50 |
| elnino | 1) The only article template I found to be eye catching is an awful yellow thing - so I used that....=) | 09:50 |
| elnino | 2) http://www.webgui.org/user-guides - I renamed them to include 7.x. and put a call for volunteers for v8. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 3) http://www.webgui.org/community/addons - changed title to include 7.x. per scrottie, 7.x addons will not be compatible with 8x. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 4) http://www.webgui.org/forums - I added a etc8 user forum - the other ones are pretty small and generic to both versions I' assuming, so I didn't add any others. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 5) http://www.webgui.org/bugs - I hid the 7.x, moved the 8.x onto this page. put a short cut on webgui.org/8 (so it's in both places without duplication) | 09:50 |
| elnino | 6) added a redirect in top menu to go to webgui 8's landing page. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 7) http://www.webgui.org/promote/the-people-behind-wg removed pagination | 09:50 |
| elnino | 8) http://www.webgui.org/8 added developers blog. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 9) hide http://beta.webgui.org/ from http://www.webgui.org/features because it goes to YAPC instead. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 10) http://www.webgui.org/rfe added 3 options from the faq. | 09:50 |
| elnino | 11) Download - hid the bullhorn and adviries via page layout, since not being used. | 09:50 |
| elnino | developers blog is hidden for now. | 09:53 |
| elnino | populating developers blog from features status on webgui.org/8 | 09:57 |
| @scrottie | this 7/8 schism is annoying =P | 10:00 |
| @scrottie | on http://www.webgui.org/user-guides#, the "Distance is not an obstacle... Join the Discussion on IRC" banner is a broken link | 10:05 |
| @scrottie | I know there's a lot of those but I just happened to notice that | 10:05 |
| @scrottie | I'm thinking the 8 bugs on webgui.org/8 is too much for one page. maybe drop the shortcut and just have the blog there, with a link to bugs and etc8? | 10:06 |
| @scrottie | (just an opinion; feel free to solicit other opinions and second guess) | 10:07 |
| @scrottie | oh, heh, thought there were broken macros on http://www.webgui.org/community/addons, but people were just discussing macros =P | 10:09 |
| elnino | thanksfor finding that.I'll try to fix that banner. I thought the 8bugs was too much too, but I said I'd do that so I did. I'll remove with a link. | 10:10 |
| @scrottie | yeah, you did say that. you were right. | 10:10 |
| @scrottie | sorry. I guess I got used to the idea of that being the bug page but I just need to let go of that. | 10:11 |
| elnino | no I meant that I said I'd leave the bugs on the page. so I did. but origianl I didn't want to. ;) | 10:11 |
| @scrottie | right | 10:11 |
| elnino | we're talking about webgui.org/8 right? | 10:11 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 10:11 |
| @scrottie | thank you for indulging me on that, but you were right. | 10:12 |
| elnino | lol. | 10:12 |
| @scrottie | and I see about the yellow thing. that's pretty... something. | 10:12 |
| elnino | look at /8 now. I added the dev blog and put your feature status into it. I was thinking of removing the bullet list. If not, I can undo what I did easily. | 10:13 |
| @scrottie | I think that could be refined as time goes on | 10:14 |
| @scrottie | different banner, etc | 10:14 |
| * scrottie subscribes to the developers blog | 10:15 | |
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| @scrottie | oh, and more yellow | 10:15 |
| elnino | he he. I didn't have time to think of anytihg differnent than using what they already have. Sorry abou tthe yellow. | 10:16 |
| @scrottie | it's okay | 10:16 |
| @scrottie | at least for now =) | 10:16 |
| elnino | you are calling this alpha still, right? | 10:20 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 10:20 |
| elnino | I lost the link to github. | 10:20 |
| @scrottie | alliumcepa.github.com/webgui | 10:21 |
| @scrottie | mmm | 10:21 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/alliumcepa/webgui | 10:21 |
| @scrottie | sorry | 10:21 |
| elnino | are you ok witht he dev blog? | 10:22 |
| @scrottie | yes, thank you | 10:22 |
| @scrottie | well... | 10:22 |
| elnino | ok. I'll remove the bullet list. | 10:22 |
| @scrottie | I'm hoping that other people are on board with it too | 10:23 |
| @scrottie | I don't think it hurts to keep the collaboration system there for updates even if another blog is used, so leaving it seems fine | 10:23 |
| elnino | ok. you could use it for advisories like wg used to for 7.x - I was bummed when they removed that. | 10:24 |
| @scrottie | hrm | 10:24 |
| elnino | it can mutate over time | 10:24 |
| @scrottie | and it is mutating =P | 10:31 |
| elnino | fixed banner, not live yet tho | 10:35 |
| elnino | can you check to see if /wiki/irc is correct information? that is what the banner is supposed to be linking to. | 10:37 |
| elnino | i'm obviously not up on my irc | 10:38 |
| @scrottie | channel bots are gone... some of those long gone | 10:40 |
| @scrottie | perlbot is here! | 10:40 |
| @scrottie | hi perlbot. | 10:40 |
| @scrottie | I didn't know xdanger was responsible for mentalhouse.net | 10:40 |
| @scrottie | dass cool | 10:41 |
| @scrottie | I don't know how many of the client links are still working or recommendable | 10:41 |
| @scrottie | "As usual concerning WebGUI development, this is for people who are working on WebGUI itself, either modifying the core code or writing wobject/asset code in perl (ok, and maybe macros), not for people who are working on websites *using* WebGUI." | 10:42 |
| @scrottie | I don't think we need that rule | 10:42 |
| @scrottie | we've been doing help on here for ages | 10:42 |
| elnino | ok. i'll remove that statement. any idea what this is? http://www.webgui.org/webgui/irc-chat-applet | 10:43 |
| @scrottie | haha | 10:43 |
| @scrottie | it must be a Java applet | 10:43 |
| @scrottie | that link can go | 10:43 |
| elnino | this one perhaps? | 10:46 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/webgui/chat.html | 10:46 |
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| someonenew | hi its just elnino. bye. | 10:53 |
| @scrottie | heh, nice | 10:53 |
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| @scrottie | I don't have the Java plugin installed | 10:53 |
| @scrottie | I think OSX still has it, but linux and Windows basically gave up on it. too many security updates and problems, too heavy weight compared to Flash or JS | 10:53 |
| elnino | it's been deleted. is wasn't working in my browser dueto security issues. its in the trash. | 10:55 |
| elnino | i'll just leave it there. | 10:55 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 10:55 |
| @scrottie | thanks for working on that much needed housecleaning. | 10:55 |
| @scrottie | I think I need to hit the sack. | 10:55 |
| elnino | me. I'm going to email JT about that link, I just don't want to be deleting things without them knowing. | 10:56 |
| elnino | good night. | 10:56 |
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| beppu | You guys were busy. | 16:29 |
| elnino | =) | 17:24 |
| elnino | hopefully for the good. | 17:25 |
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| @scrottie | hi beppu! | 19:35 |
| @scrottie | when you have a chance, could you comment on the developer blog thing? it's pretty spartan right now, but that can be fixed. I personally like the idea of having in wG at webgui.org/8 but if it just isn't cutting it how it is, we should talk about doing something else. | 19:36 |
| beppu | scrottie: I think it's perfectly fine to have the blog at http://www.webgui.org/8 . I see that I'm allowed to add entries, too. Thanks. | 20:35 |
| beppu | I see it has an rss feed too. http://www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog?func=viewRss | 20:37 |
| elnino | umm. I don't know what other permissions the "content managers" group has access to. I'll create a new group and assign it to the blog. can you plese provide me a list of users to you want access to that blog, and I'll create a new group. Thanks! | 20:38 |
| elnino | I meant that for scrottie. | 20:38 |
| elnino | Umm. There is already a group for webgui 8 ticket closers. It seems logical to me that if they can close tickets, they could post on the blog, please let me know if that is wrong. mean while I'll create yet another security group - they got about 100 of them. be nice to streamline them. but I'm not paid enough to do that. | 20:56 |
| elnino | ok. scrottie, beppu and danny should still have access to add to the blog. I just didn't want to inadvertantly give access to others under my watch. | 21:05 |
| elnino | the webgui 8 ticket group has a whole different group of people. it seems to be that the two lists should be merged. who decides on this? | 21:05 |
| elnino | I used o havea report somewhere that would list what assets a group has access to - that should be essential in something so complex as this cms I'll add it to the rfe. | 21:07 |
| elnino | Thoughts on adding a version field to the RFE or adding webui 8 to the drop list? so that you guys can go thru the rfes in your spare time and flag the ones you want to include in wg8 someday? | 21:09 |
| beppu | That sounds reasonable to me. | 21:26 |
| beppu | wait... I shouldn't say things before I understand... What is an RFE? | 21:28 |
| elnino | request for enhancement | 21:34 |
| elnino | oh. I meant to say the RFE tracker on webgui.org. | 21:38 |
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| @scrottie | Content Managers should be able to edit just about anything on the site | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | but can't create users or do other admin work | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | I say turn people loose. | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | the chances of anyone destroying anything in any serious way (accidentally or intentionally) are far less likely than the chances of everything turning into a ghost town. | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | and those two people already have access to the code repo anyway. | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | I suggest promoting anyone to Content Manager who appears to be good about coordinating work. | 22:05 |
| elnino | I don't feel comfortable doing that under my watch. i'm not an employee of pb, it's not my site. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | re: adding a version field to the RFE list, that sounds like a great way to handle that. | 22:05 |
| elnino | developers aren't marketing people, and marketing people aren't developers. not likeing that too much. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | okay. let's hold off now then. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | JT had mentioned possibily "handing over" the site (to an organized wG community) before but we should get clarity on that. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | and perhaps have a brief document on what content managers need to think about with respect to coordination etc. | 22:07 |
| elnino | but I have no problem putting all developers in a group for managing dev blog, rfes and bugs - agreed? | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | agreed. | 22:08 |
| elnino | as to whether I'm a markting or develoepr - i'm neither anymore. just opinionated. =) | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | heh | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | I'm starting to think that it would be fun to take http://alliumcepa.github.io and transplat that onto http://webgui.org. | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | at least for the first page. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | (earlier discussion in here, we decided that the community beta of wG8 would be code-named allium cepa; I argued for trying to keep the wG name as much as possible, but not asking for this version to be made the official wG8 until after we had some work to show) | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | extremely non-busy pages seem to be in vogue these days | 22:17 |
| elnino | I thought that page looked pretty slick, that's why I pointed to that from webgui.org/8 | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | apparently caused by the popularity of mobile devices | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | thanks. it's kind of a clone/mod of another site. | 22:18 |
| @scrottie | gotta do some errands. bbiaf. | 22:22 |
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| beppu | elnino | but I have no problem putting all developers in a group for managing dev blog, rfes and bugs - agreed? agreed! | 22:52 |
| elnino | agreed.cool | 23:23 |
| elnino | ok www.webgui.org/commuinity/webgui-8/issues www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog | 23:40 |
| elnino | all have the same persmission group called "webgui developers" | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | cool | 23:40 |
| elnino | this group consists of danny_mk beppu bartjol dionak ekennedy frank frodwith Graham JT len LuckyLStrike martink mckenzie.tully patspam perlDreamer scottwalters topsub Vrby wouter yhkhoe | 23:40 |
| elnino | If I missed you, please do not be offended. I just worked with what I had and added the only two people I knew I was to add. | 23:41 |
| elnino | this group was renamed from "bug fixers" and I deleted "webgui 8 ticket closers" and the one I made this morning. | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | good. | 23:42 |
| elnino | i'll look at the wiki and forums... I forgot to look there. | 23:42 |
| elnino | wiki remains unchanged. | 23:43 |
| elnino | forum unchanged. | 23:44 |
| elnino | do you want webgui 8 etc forum to be closed to only this new group for now? | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | my opinion is hide it discussion board for now and just have the blog | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | there are no wG8 users right now | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | and won't be until after a beta | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | imo, wait until it is actually needed... when wg8 discussion and wg7 discussion are competing for the same (existing) discussion areas. | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | I should post stuff to the blog. | 23:47 |
| elnino | add-ins unchanged I figured on these assets. | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | hmm? | 23:47 |
| elnino | I was reviewing the permission schemes on those assets. | 23:47 |
| elnino | now i'm going to talk about the etc 8 forum again. =) | 23:48 |
| elnino | I'll hide it to be only for the webgui developer group for now. | 23:48 |
| @scrottie | heh | 23:48 |
| @scrottie | okay | 23:48 |
| elnino | do I *hide* it, or make it visible and lock it down to only for developers to post? | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | hide it | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | I'm hoping to avoid things that look dead | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | avoid ghost town | 23:51 |
| elnino | ok. you'll have to be logged into see it. | 23:51 |
| @scrottie | okay | 23:51 |
| elnino | now it's committed.I'm done. Just for the record, most assets properties are editable by "Plain Black Staff" group. but the webgui developers can post all you want on the things mentioned above. I just followed suit with the edit permissions. | 23:53 |
| elnino | now i'm done. Got some stuff I have to do off line. Have fun! | 23:53 |
| @scrottie | cool. | 23:53 |
| @scrottie | okay. thank you. catch you later I hope! | 23:53 |
| elnino | errr. I stil see that forum. | 23:54 |
| @scrottie | not a big deal. do the stuff that you need to do. | 23:54 |
| elnino | I cleared the cache, it's gone. | 23:55 |
| elnino | i mean hidden. | 23:55 |
| elnino | bye. | 23:55 |
| @scrottie | ah okay | 23:55 |
| @scrottie | bye! | 23:55 |
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| haarg | re: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/irc i'm pretty sure freenode blocks mibbit | 00:30 |
| @scrottie | I can't imagine this wording aobut EFNET is correct: | 00:34 |
| @scrottie | "You can join the webgui channel from one of 2 different networks. You can either join from irc.freenode.net or from EFNet. Then join #webgui. " | 00:34 |
| @scrottie | are Freenode and EFNET joined at the hip? | 00:35 |
| @scrottie | regardless, I don't think people need to know about that. | 00:35 |
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| elnino | anything interesting going on? | 05:20 |
| @scrottie | nope! | 05:53 |
| @scrottie | sorry | 05:53 |
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| @scrottie | yarr. | 08:36 |
| @scrottie | www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog/a-community-project-to-finish-webgui-8 ... I'm not sure what the arrow is supposed to do, but it doesn't seem to do much, and things are getting cut off. I didn't look at the CSS. | 09:00 |
| @scrottie | not sure if you want to, elnino. if not, I can poke at it later. | 09:00 |
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| elnino | good morning. ah, yes, I saw that in the template. not sure where that is supposed to go either. i'll put it on my list to do. | 09:35 |
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| @scrottie | yar | 17:41 |
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| @scrottie | elnino, did you take me out of the Admin group? or was I not in it? | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | I seem to be able to edit users but I don't have access to the Security tabs. since beppu was working on the CSS for the blog, I wanted to give him access to edit that template. | 18:13 |
| beppu | Is that CSS in an Asset and not in a file in the filesystem? | 18:13 |
| @scrottie | correct | 18:13 |
| @scrottie | just added a comment: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/13#issuecomment-50964407 | 18:14 |
| @scrottie | that's kind of the general process for finding a bit of HTML or CSS to edit. | 18:15 |
| @scrottie | oops, http://www.webgui.org/root/import/wg09/community-style?func=edit is wrong. http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?func=edit should be right. | 18:15 |
| beppu | Permission Denied! | 18:16 |
| @scrottie | yeah. waiting on elnino for access. | 18:16 |
| @scrottie | I thought I had admin but I guess I don't. I didn't before so I'm not too surprised. | 18:17 |
| @scrottie | I have some lower access level that lets me edit some stuff and gives me some access to some control panels. | 18:17 |
| @scrottie | wG has an extremely fine grained permission system as a result of getting used by large governmental agencies =P | 18:18 |
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| elnino | hi. I'm makeing/eating lunch with family. I'll look. sorry, I didnt' mess with your permissions=, just the groups I mentioned. | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | no problem. just curious. | 22:02 |
| elnino | ok. I have 3 mineus.. what don't you have access to? | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | um, okay | 22:09 |
| elnino | oh.what's your username | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | scottwalters | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?func=edit ... it would be nice if beppu (and maybe the rest of the new group you created whose name I forgot) could edit that template | 22:10 |
| elnino | sorry brain fart on your name | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | the WebGUI Developers group was it | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | s'ok | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | I can edit it but beppu says he gets permission denied | 22:11 |
| elnino | scrottie is admin and webgui develoers group. | 22:11 |
| elnino | bepp is webgui developers group. I'll look at the asset | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | ah, apparently I have two accounts then | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | maybe webgui developers should own that template then. but I could log in as scrottie and fix that. | 22:12 |
| elnino | no, scottwalters is admin and webgui develers | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | oh. | 22:12 |
| elnino | and you have that asset locked under a version tag. | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | why can't I see Security tabs? | 22:13 |
| elnino | that's why no one can edit it. | 22:13 |
| * scrottie blushes | 22:13 | |
| elnino | that would be your ui level. you are probably at default 5 | 22:13 |
| elnino | I had to change mine to 9 | 22:13 |
| elnino | do I need to change anything, or do you understand it all now? | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | I should be able to manage. thank you. | 22:14 |
| elnino | basically you locked out beppu | 22:15 |
| elnino | =) | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | aha, there's that security tab. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | heh. brilliant. | 22:15 |
| elnino | k. I'll eat now. | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | bon appetit! | 22:15 |
| @scrottie | beppu, you should be able to edit http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?func=edit now. the CSS is in the Metadata tab. | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | if you're so inclined. | 22:16 |
| elnino | scrottie, do you want developers to be editing templates? | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | is that a trick question? | 23:04 |
| elnino | and just so you know, you don't have two accounts. | 23:04 |
| @scrottie | yes, absolutely. | 23:04 |
| @scrottie | if someone can help do something so that I don't have to, by all means. | 23:04 |
| elnino | just trying to make sure I'm responding to everything. | 23:04 |
| @scrottie | things should be in good shape for the moment. | 23:04 |
| @scrottie | in the long term, I'm hoping someone can help me update styles on webgui.org. | 23:05 |
| @scrottie | if we're going to use it. | 23:05 |
| elnino | I'll dig around and see how templates are setup . | 23:05 |
| elnino | I didn't look at persmissions to those. | 23:05 |
| @scrottie | okay. I think I probably made the yellow thing not-yellow side wide. fixing that will require a background image that tiles better, or else using CSS gradiants. | 23:05 |
| elnino | by default there is the "template manager" group. | 23:05 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 23:06 |
| @scrottie | hmm, I probably do still need to tweak beppu's permissions. | 23:06 |
| elnino | I dunno. I just used a template that was there. I made a list of things I'd like to do on the templates. we can coordinate on that later - you have to focus on wg8 | 23:06 |
| elnino | he's only in the webgui develoeprs group. | 23:06 |
| @scrottie | okay | 23:06 |
| @scrottie | sorry to meddle | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | I misunderstood. I thought you were taking a break for a while. | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 23:07 |
| elnino | just for lunch. =) | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | heh | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | er, I got that impression last night. | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | but you're right, we do need to coordinate. could you comment on https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/13 ? | 23:08 |
| elnino | oh. I have no idea what I said last night. It was late. =) | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | we (mostly I) have been using github's issue tracker for meta stuff (todo and bugs not actually in wg8 code) | 23:08 |
| elnino | oh ok. I can put my wish list there... | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | and just comment briefly on your plans? | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | cool | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | feel free to revert my edits, but in the very short term, it makes it usable though not pretty | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | I guess we never really talked about who wanted to do CSS/design work. | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | just organization. | 23:11 |
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| beppu | scrottie: I still get a Permission Denied! | 00:12 |
| beppu | http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?func=edit | 00:12 |
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| @scrottie | probably another open version tag after editing the group. | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | used to those autocommiting. | 00:43 |
| @scrottie | try again now? | 00:45 |
| beppu | Still permission denied. | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | okay, one more thing, and then I'll leave it alone unless you're really bored | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | now? | 00:52 |
| beppu | nope | 00:52 |
| @scrottie | gah. okay. I'll play with it later. | 00:52 |
| elnino | i'll look beppu - it's likely my fault somewhere. | 01:56 |
| elnino | ok. the link he game you is the template link. What do you want to modify? Right now, I just followed suit with the rest of the site, and assets themselves and templates are editable by the "plainblack staff" group. which I know you are not a member of. | 01:57 |
| elnino | s/game/gave | 01:57 |
| elnino | nevermind | 01:58 |
| elnino | it was locked by his version tag. beppu - you should have access now. | 02:02 |
| @scrottie | I thought I commit the version tag that was open. | 02:02 |
| elnino | I just did. | 02:03 |
| elnino | for you. | 02:03 |
| elnino | I'll change your user so that it's autocommit. | 02:03 |
| elnino | apparantly that's defult. | 02:03 |
| elnino | ok. you are off version tags. | 02:03 |
| elnino | beppu is setup for versoin tags. I like them. I can change them for beppu if you want, or you should be able to modify that in your profile. I think | 02:05 |
| @scrottie | hmm! | 02:05 |
| elnino | i'm not really sure how to translate hmm and hrm. | 02:07 |
| elnino | lol. | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | that's interesting that you can change whether version tags autocommit in your own profile. | 02:08 |
| @scrottie | did not know that. | 02:08 |
| elnino | so hmm = interesting. ok. thanks! | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | hmm could also be "I'm thinking" | 02:09 |
| elnino | lol. ok. | 02:09 |
| beppu | I have access now. Thanks, elnino. | 02:17 |
| elnino | np | 02:17 |
| elnino | do you want version tags? or autocommit? | 02:18 |
| beppu | I don't even know what that means. | 02:19 |
| @scrottie | you should stick with version tags. I'll figure out how to manage it. | 02:19 |
| elnino | beppu - and you are setup for adept ui. if you can't change that I can up that if you want. | 02:19 |
| @scrottie | whoops, not for me. | 02:19 |
| beppu | I see someone already made the CSS changes I suggested. | 02:19 |
| @scrottie | you two should coordinate on that one template. | 02:19 |
| beppu | http://www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog/a-community-project-to-finish-webgui-8 is legible now. | 02:19 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I was just thinking that you should have access to it if you wanted to muck with it more, and in general, the developers should be able to tweak things. | 02:20 |
| @scrottie | but elnino was talking about doing more style work too. | 02:20 |
| elnino | i started some discussions on the github thing. | 02:20 |
| elnino | beppu - is your ui level fine for you? | 02:21 |
| @scrottie | higher UI levels have more controls. | 02:21 |
| beppu | I think it's fine for now. | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | re: version tags, you can batch up a bunch of edits together and then revert all of them if you like. | 02:22 |
| beppu | I wasn't planning on making huge changes. For the blog, I just wanted to be able to read the post so I was mostly removing styles. | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | wG remembers previous versions of assets, by default going back like a year or something. | 02:22 |
| @scrottie | a version tag is a bach of changes. | 02:23 |
| @scrottie | you probably want your version tags to autocommit. | 02:23 |
| @scrottie | uncommitted changes aren't visible on the site yet. | 02:23 |
| elnino | but version tags let you play with code without going live - that's why I like them. You just have to remember to commit them from the admin bar. | 02:24 |
| beppu | I think I can remember to do that. | 02:24 |
| @scrottie | still, autocommit is better if you're not making a bunch of related changes all over the place. | 02:25 |
| elnino | how about this, I'll set beppu up with only on version tag at a time so s/he doesn't lock themselves out of assets. that's frustrating if you aren't familiar with them. | 02:25 |
| elnino | sorry I don't know any of you. to know what pronoun to use. except for scrottie. | 02:26 |
| beppu | (I'm a guy.) | 02:26 |
| @scrottie | elnino, you know the content manager side of wG way better than I do. | 02:26 |
| beppu | elnino: I'll trust your judgement on these matters. I need to learn more about webgui. I'm just a programmer who likes to help scrottie out from time to time. | 02:29 |
| elnino | ok. | 02:41 |
| elnino | tell me if/when the commiting the version tag becomes bothersome. | 02:41 |
| beppu | k | 02:44 |
| @scrottie | to commit the version tag, go in to the control panel (there's a link in the top right in the asset edit screen), look for the Version Tag icon, click it, and then click the commit button for the one with your name on it | 02:44 |
| beppu | How do I enable the admin features? (turn admin on) | 02:51 |
| @scrottie | that's one way to do it, yeah | 02:51 |
| @scrottie | then you should get an accordian thing on the left | 02:51 |
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| @scrottie | yarr. | 22:53 |
| elnino | ? | 22:53 |
| @scrottie | avast ye scruvy hacker! | 22:53 |
| elnino | lol | 22:53 |
| elnino | just curious.... What is plainblacks involvement with maintaining webgui, it webqui going to be truely community supported? is he moving away from developement and focusing on hosting and web design? | 22:54 |
| @scrottie | PlainBlack hasn't been doing much with wG at all. they have some support contracts which result in bug fixes (which result in bug fix releases). they're doing some hosting. | 22:55 |
| @scrottie | mostly they've been doing The Lucana Expanse and The Game Crafter and a few other business ideas. | 22:55 |
| @scrottie | so if wG is going to survive, it has to be community developed. | 22:56 |
| elnino | so they are staying with 7.x? | 22:57 |
| elnino | andyour goal is to get it released? or into beta? | 22:57 |
| elnino | it = wg8 | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | goal is to get 8 released as a beta | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | they're staying with 7 just because that's what clients are paying for. | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | if people were paying for 8, they'd do that too. | 22:57 |
| elnino | and the benefits to going to 8 are? | 22:59 |
| @scrottie | that's the rub. there are no benefits to businesses already using 7. | 22:59 |
| @scrottie | if 7 wasn't getting bug fixes any more and wasn't supported, but 8 was, then there would be that incentive to upgrade. | 22:59 |
| elnino | hmm. | 22:59 |
| @scrottie | 8 is for new installs, really. | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | new people. | 23:00 |
| elnino | is JT willing/committed to encourge upgrading to 8? or is he sticking with 7 for ever? | 23:00 |
| @scrottie | JT is very business minded. | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | if he can't make a business case for why people should upgrade to 8, he won't make a case. | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | and none of us really have a business case for it for existing clients. | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | 8 was an internals cleanup and modernization. | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | I guess the admin is also faster... or was... but it does cross frame stuff that's now forbidden by default by modern browsers, so it really doesn't work at all in one sense. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | that was part of the business case. | 23:02 |
| elnino | well, I don't really see much movement on the 7.x side of thigns either, unless he's releasing bug releases only to his customers and not posting them? | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | the asset definition syntax changed to be based on Moose. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | could be. or maybe there just aren't many bugs. I know a few people in PB are still doing client stuff for 7 customers. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | anyone who wanted to upgrade to 8 would have to rewrite their custom assets. | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | or maybe translate. not quite rewrite. | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | so really users are a new generation. | 23:03 |
| elnino | I should see if i'm using the latest 7. how many features do you think will be included in 8 that are recognizabley in 7? I use sql reports, thingy mostly dataform, data table mostly. | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | basically everything is there. | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | there are a few very misc things that are broken. | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | HTTP Basic auth being enabled as optional is broken, for example. | 23:08 |
| elnino | well if everything is there, then the business case it to keep getting bug fixes and new features. | 23:09 |
| elnino | is it able to be installed on shared hosting? i heard someone was working on that at one poitnt. | 23:10 |
| @scrottie | that would be pretty slow, but Plack makes it possible. | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | not many shared hosts support daemonized processes. | 23:12 |
| elnino | btw, I was looking at webgui's facebook page, last post was march 2013. why wasn't kickstarter mentioned there? | 23:14 |
| elnino | beppu - you have an uncomitted version tag, do you want me to make it live for you? | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | I don't have access to that and JT didn't post anything there and I don't think many people follow it and promoting things on FB works very badly anyway. | 23:16 |
| elnino | and out of curiousity do they still have the user conferrence in Wisconsin? | 23:28 |
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| beppu | elnino: Sure. | 23:43 |
| beppu | I don't recall changing anything, though. Maybe it was the CSS for the blog, but I think scrottie made all the changes I suggested, so I left it alone. | 23:44 |
| elnino | it was a change to the blog's template, yes. I'll look and make sure it looks fine. | 23:46 |
| elnino | from two days ago. | 23:47 |
| elnino | I see no visiable change. | 23:47 |
| elnino | but the font is still really small on ff, so'll make it bigger. | 23:47 |
| beppu | good idea | 23:51 |
| beppu | busy w/ the day $job right now. | 23:51 |
| @scrottie | elnino, nope, conference got axed a few years ago. | 23:54 |
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| beppu | http://dev.mikamai.com/post/85531658709/a-modern-workflow-for-wordpress-using-docker-and-dokku | 23:56 |
| ckotil | neat, may have to run through that | 23:58 |
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| beppu | i like how they went through the config and replaced values with environment variables | 00:00 |
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| elnino | hi! | 04:02 |
| beppu | Hey there. Things have been quiet here the past few days. | 04:13 |
| beppu | I'm thinking of getting my feet wet with docker this weekend, though. | 04:13 |
| elnino | docker? | 04:16 |
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| @scrottie | yarr | 23:54 |
| @scrottie | that would be awesome. | 23:55 |
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| sany_ok | hello | 07:47 |
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| @scrottie | yo | 13:25 |
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| ToApolytoXaos | scrottie, about this message on your twitter https://twitter.com/scrottie/status/497455326723989504 | 18:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | the same rule stands for women too; as soon as you are with someone, your very first girlfriend will *miss* you! | 18:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | a humongous "WTF people" moment for anyone and everyone who lived it | 18:29 |
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| @scrottie | heh. yeah. people are strange. | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | I feel like job hunting is a good, observable microcosm of a lot of human stuff. | 20:46 |
| @scrottie | Experiments are reproducable (you can try the same control/experiment with multiple recruiters or companies). People are less defensive about it because most of us already know job hunting is kind of rotten. | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | and experiments are fun! | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | (coffee slowly kicking in) | 20:47 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i got really disappointed these passing days mate :/ i have search to see various Perl CMS and frameworks, and the sites they were supposedly using it (users should be called, like "dancers"?) they switch to either aspx or PHP. this is so discouraging >:( | 21:07 |
| jabberwok | asp(hy)x(iate) | 21:11 |
| jabberwok | and doing too much PHP can cripple your brain | 21:12 |
| ToApolytoXaos | it depresses the hell out of me seeing such thing | 21:12 |
| jabberwok | *nod* | 21:14 |
| jabberwok | i'm kicking about a patch, starting with "choose a user, create the user, run webgui as this user" ... eventually i'd like to see the whole thing more like the debian installer where you can go back and retry things, or skip steps. so far the first bit is nearly working, but testing is a bother. | 21:15 |
| ToApolytoXaos | too bad Perl lacks a feature like PHP where you just place your scripts in a location like /var/www/ and works without extra fuss. | 21:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | to do such thing you need to tweak many things yourself and i doubt newbies could do such thing | 21:20 |
| jabberwok | contrariwise, that's the worst part of php, any random file can be executed | 21:22 |
| ToApolytoXaos | imagine, even Google that created google apps to fight PHP with the use of Python / Java based web apps had added PHP support due to the high demand from interested clients | 21:24 |
| ToApolytoXaos | one word: DAAAAAMN! :S | 21:24 |
| jabberwok | never could see the appeal of python, or ruby. | 21:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | python is alright...ruby is confusing at least to me | 21:28 |
| ToApolytoXaos | another scary thing is Go language | 21:29 |
| ToApolytoXaos | many companies are adapting it and get rid of Java and whatever they use as their back-end as a stack of various technologies | 21:30 |
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| jabberwok | Go looks suspiciously like Pascal =ugh=- | 21:34 |
| ToApolytoXaos | they based its syntax from it | 21:39 |
| jabberwok | (( backs away slowly )) | 21:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | lol | 21:39 |
| ToApolytoXaos | this is the article that inspired many companies to start using it as their PaaS http://blog.iron.io/2013/03/how-we-went-from-30-servers-to-2-go.html | 21:40 |
| jabberwok | he writes: "Here's how things went down." i'm thinking: The server, the switch, the battery backup... | 21:40 |
| ToApolytoXaos | seriously, i have read quite a few articles pointing valid reasonings for migrating to Go | 21:42 |
| jabberwok | oh, Ruby. yeah, it looks fun and then you write a few thousand lines of code that eat entire supercomputer clusters for lunch | 21:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i haven't used it, but read from many resources how slow it is | 21:42 |
| ToApolytoXaos | that's why her creator designed to redesign a new interpreter that would be lightweight; see mruby | 21:43 |
| jabberwok | hmm, nice. (looks it up). so, it's like perl without cpan. | 21:45 |
| ToApolytoXaos | for embedding actually | 21:46 |
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| jabberwok | ok so i'm trying to learn Curses::Widget ... the tutorial in the bundled pod gives me a blank screen with no widget painted, nothing echoes, but when I press Enter the program terminates, /and leaves the terminal in no-echo, no-linefeed mode/. AAAgh broken! wtf. | 00:01 |
| jabberwok | Apparently you have to call endwin(); when you're done. This is not mentioned in the Curses::Widgets documentation nor is there any suggestion of best-practice to prevent the situation in the Real World. Nor can I yet get anything to display except "^[[A" (cursor up's escape code?) to display. This seems horribly brain-damaged. | 00:13 |
| jabberwok | oh good grief, there is not actually any documentation for this -- it's all just pointers to the archaic ncurses C library, which is a huge mess from the 1980s. no wonder nobody uses this, I'm used to dealing with ANSI codes from back then, but even I am lost. Total fail. | 00:20 |
| jabberwok | is there actually a working tutorial for use Curses; anywhere? | 00:25 |
| ToApolytoXaos | ncurses? | 00:37 |
| jabberwok | the wG8 installer uses the Curses cpan library... which turns out to be a thin wrapper over a 1980s era terminal control library with no Perl level documentation anywhere on the web that I can find. | 00:54 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/ | 00:58 |
| jabberwok | yes. that's for the C library. that document is outdated , and does not document the Perl layer that sits on top. | 00:59 |
| jabberwok | i dare you to use that to write a few simple Perl example programs. | 00:59 |
| ToApolytoXaos | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/MDXI/Curses-UI-0.9609/examples/ | 01:11 |
| jabberwok | but Curses::UI is a completely different animal , a whole nother way of doing things and an incompatible Perl module. You can't use Curses::Widget and Curses::UI in the same program. | 01:16 |
| ToApolytoXaos | i don't know how else to help mate; sorry | 01:18 |
| jabberwok | no worries. i am simply dismayed at the utter lack of documentation for so many free software projects. | 01:19 |
| ToApolytoXaos | anyway, keep on searching through engines and you will find something, i'm sure about it. goodnight everyone | 01:20 |
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| @scrottie | I think I learned Curses::UI from looking at the demo programs. | 02:31 |
| @scrottie | with some motivation from the docs. | 02:31 |
| @scrottie | and then some digging in the code, eg to implement backspace (ugh) | 02:32 |
| @scrottie | I really should release a layer on top of Curses::UI =P | 02:32 |
| jabberwok | i had been working on that a few years ago. instead of getting frustrated then, i should have finished it... =shrug= | 02:37 |
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| chris99 | Complete newbie question re installing WebGUI8... | 23:48 |
| chris99 | I cloned from https://github.com/alliumcepa/webgui, and docs/install.txt tells me to clone from https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git instead. | 23:49 |
| chris99 | And README.md says something different entirely. So where do I start? | 23:50 |
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| @scrottie | yarr | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | heh | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | reporting the mess here is a good place to start | 00:53 |
| @scrottie | alliumcepa is "ahead of" plainblack right now | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | but not by much | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | and fixes are going in there, so you probably want to work relative that one | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | also, wG8 is badly alpha right now | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | the installer doesn't work | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | but if you're brave, the manual install process should, with some help | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | * The official PlainBlack WebGUI repo is at http://github.org/plainblack/webgui | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | that's correct. whatever PlainBlack is doing is the "official" wG. I created a fork so that I could give out commit bits, and then I'll merge stuff back in to the PlainBlack after going over changes with them. | 00:56 |
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| qwebirc60446 | Dave Baker testing | 01:43 |
| qwebirc60446 | Congratulations on the successful kickstarter, scrottie! | 01:43 |
| @scrottie | heya, thanks! | 02:09 |
| @scrottie | much to do. I'm just finishing up clearing off other obligations before focusing on this. | 02:14 |
| qwebirc60446 | Would you recommend that I build a site with 7 now, or wait to do something with 8? I'm thinking that a lot of the skills would carry over. | 02:28 |
| @scrottie | well, what's the plan for the site? are you just tinkering, or is it going straight to production? | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | if you want to put in production right now and not a few months out, I'd go with 7. | 03:41 |
| @scrottie | but we could use help fixing and testing 8. | 03:41 |
| qwebirc60446 | I have a site that's doing fine so I'm in no hurry; guess I'd say it would be tinkering. I spent a ridiculous amount of money on a Joomla consultant and gave up. | 03:46 |
| qwebirc60446 | To be able to contribute, I need to learn how to use git and github, I think. This would be a good time. | 03:47 |
| qwebirc60446 | davebaker out - tnx! | 03:54 |
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| starsoft | scrottie: thanks for your reply. I'll try starting from http://github.org/plainblack/webgui then. (The link from http://www.webgui.org/8 goes to the alliumcepa fork though) | 11:11 |
| beppu | starsoft: I think you're better off forking alliumcepa/webgui because it will see more activity. | 11:51 |
| starsoft | beppu: OK. After re-reading what scrottie said, that's what I'll do. | 14:45 |
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| @scrottie | woof. | 23:47 |
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| beppu | I wish etc/WebGUI.conf were perl instead of json. If it were perl, I'd be able to say $ENV{WHATEVER} inside it. | 00:09 |
| @scrottie | good point. I suppose $ substitution could be done on the JSON =P | 00:10 |
| beppu | I didn't get around to messing w/ docker this weekend like I had wanted to, but in some of the wordpress on docker blog posts I've seen, people make use of env vars for config. | 00:14 |
| @scrottie | it would be half assed, but it could look for specific ENV vars and overwrite things in the config based on them. | 00:15 |
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| starsoft | I've been going through the instructions at https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui ... | 20:05 |
| starsoft | and got this error message: | 20:05 |
| starsoft | Can't call method "rethrow" on an undefined value at /loader/0x85f4eec/WGDev/Command.pm line 200. | 20:05 |
| starsoft | Any ideas? | 20:05 |
| starsoft | This is on Debian Wheezy, Perl 5.14.2 | 20:06 |
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| beppu | starsoft: I'm going to guess that it's due to the rethrow at the bottom of https://github.com/haarg/wgdev/blob/master/lib/WGDev/Command.pm#L180-L198 | 22:25 |
| beppu | It looks like it's looking for a config file but can't find one. | 22:26 |
| beppu | starsoft: Did you `export WEBGUI_CONFIG=etc/yoursite.conf` where yoursite.conf is a modified copy of etc/WebGUI.conf.original ? | 22:28 |
| haarg | it's been a long time since i wrote that code. seems like an odd failure though. i don't see immediately how it would end up $e undef there. | 22:31 |
| beppu | I agree that it seems odd. | 22:31 |
| haarg | some of the design decisions i made there make me cringe | 22:33 |
| beppu | fwiw, I tried setting my WEBGUI_CONFIG to a wrong value to try to reproduce the crash, but it handles the error gracefully over here. (also tried unsetting WEBGUI_CONFIG; that also failed gracefully as it should) | 22:37 |
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| starsoft | Yes, I had exported WEBGUI_CONFIG as described. I'll try again with different values. | 02:00 |
| starsoft | Does it matter which directory I'm in when I run wgd? Or where wgd is installed? | 02:06 |
| starsoft | Running 'wgd reset' with no value for WEBGUI_CONFIG gives 'No WebGUI config file available' | 02:08 |
| starsoft | Running it with either the correct or garbage values for WEBGUI_CONFIG gives the rethrow error. | 02:10 |
| starsoft | I'm off to bed now; I'll try again tomorrow. | 02:13 |
| beppu | starsoft: I've always run wgd from the root of the webgui project, but I think it doesn't matter where you run it from as long as WEBGUI_CONFIG has the right value. | 02:34 |
| @scrottie | yar | 03:16 |
| @scrottie | I seem to recall a problem where it would get confused about the etc directory if the WebGUI.conf.orig file got removed or renamed from it, but I think I remember that haarg fixed that. | 03:18 |
| @scrottie | I changed all of the eval's to do's in a fork and sent haarg a pull request. that's the only way I could see what was actually failing when things failed. | 03:19 |
| @scrottie | I could dig that up again. | 03:20 |
| beppu | scrottie: Here's a rough draft of a blog post I want to make on the webgui8 blog: https://gist.github.com/beppu/c124903b78fb4d1fcd12 | 04:06 |
| beppu | I recall davebaker and starsoft were unsure of how to contribute, so I thought this would help. It's a short howto on how to fork AlliumCepa/webgui and track upstream changes while developing in your own branch. | 04:08 |
| @scrottie | I kind of wish github had shell accounts available too, so you could ssh in to a machine and have your repo right there. | 04:13 |
| @scrottie | in addition to all of the other stuff they do. | 04:13 |
| beppu | They're probably trying to avoid a security headache. | 04:14 |
| beppu | If you let people ssh in, they'll probably want to start running the code there, too. People would abuse the fuck out of that. | 04:16 |
| @scrottie | Exactly! | 04:17 |
| @scrottie | What could be better? That and my more continious than continious integration server, and you're rocking and rolling. | 04:17 |
| @scrottie | hrm, I wonder how many porn sites are hosted on github pages... | 04:17 |
| beppu | scrottie: Any objections to posting the contents of that gist to the webgui blog? | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/b8981eb164bc7ae0fe2f | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | some minor edits and an image | 04:19 |
| beppu | oh | 04:19 |
| @scrottie | hrm. a WebGUI markdown asset could be handy. | 04:20 |
| @scrottie | thought I suppose you could just paste the HTML version of that into the HTML view of the rich text editor | 04:20 |
| beppu | That's what I was going to do. | 04:20 |
| @scrottie | thanks for writing that | 04:20 |
| @scrottie | the former (asset) or latter (paste)? | 04:20 |
| beppu | Paste | 04:20 |
| beppu | Trying to be pragmatic here. | 04:21 |
| @scrottie | right. | 04:21 |
| @scrottie | one thing at a time. | 04:21 |
| @scrottie | that could be used to update the main README.md too, or the "how to contribute" stuff and that merged into another .md in the repo and linked to. | 04:24 |
| beppu | http://www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog/using-git-to-contribute-to-webgui-8 | 04:25 |
| beppu | we need some css! | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | I took a Java Associate certification test this morning, btw. | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 04:25 |
| beppu | I hope you passed. | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I did, thanks. | 04:25 |
| @scrottie | that's just one fewer thing to think about now. | 04:25 |
| beppu | I play with Clojure from time to time, and the jvm startup time is a buzzkill. | 04:26 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 04:26 |
| beppu | the stack traces can get gnarly too. | 04:26 |
| @scrottie | in theory, the JVM is a very simple machine and it could be easily implemented light weight and lean, but in reality, a huge amount of the Java library is implemented natively and you need that to run. | 04:27 |
| beppu | scrottie: How can I edit the css of the blog post I just made? | 04:31 |
| beppu | I want the code blocks to look distinct from the prose. | 04:31 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/root/import/wg09/community-style?func=edit | 04:32 |
| @scrottie | does that give you an edit screen? | 04:32 |
| beppu | let me try | 04:32 |
| @scrottie | I think I was trying to get you access to that before but I keep getting version tags locked | 04:32 |
| beppu | No, permission denied. | 04:32 |
| beppu | Who was the guy who was helping us w/ webgui.org a few weeks ago? | 04:32 |
| beppu | elnino! | 04:33 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 04:33 |
| @scrottie | hang on | 04:33 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?func=edit is actually the right one | 04:34 |
| @scrottie | can you access that one? | 04:34 |
| beppu | yes! | 04:34 |
| @scrottie | the CSS is in the Metadata tab | 04:34 |
| @scrottie | cool | 04:35 |
| @scrottie | here's the fussy bit... | 04:35 |
| @scrottie | after you save changes to that, you need to go here: http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?op=manageVersions and click "Commit" on the version tag with your name on it. | 04:35 |
| @scrottie | otherwise it doesn't go live and other people are locked from editing it. | 04:36 |
| @scrottie | usually sites aren't set up like that. that might change eventually. | 04:36 |
| beppu | ok, give me a few minutes. i'm gonna edit the css now. | 04:36 |
| @scrottie | sure thing. | 04:36 |
| beppu | I get permission denied for the op=manageVersions link. | 04:39 |
| @scrottie | grr. okay. | 04:39 |
| beppu | Can you commit it for me? | 04:39 |
| @scrottie | sure | 04:39 |
| beppu | I just added some rules for .blogPost pre | 04:39 |
| @scrottie | done | 04:40 |
| beppu | Nice | 04:40 |
| @scrottie | let me see if I can make it autocommit for you, in that case. | 04:40 |
| @scrottie | okay, that might work. changes you make and save editing that template should show up instantly now. | 04:42 |
| beppu | Let me give that a try... | 04:42 |
| beppu | This time when I tried to save, it said permission denied. | 04:49 |
| * scrottie sighs | 04:49 | |
| beppu | I wonder if the content saved but the commit failed. | 04:49 |
| @scrottie | why can't the UI be just like the API? | 04:49 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 04:49 |
| beppu | try to see if there's something that needs to be committed and commit it if so. | 04:50 |
| beppu | Also, is there any way to edit blog posts after they've been published? | 04:54 |
| @scrottie | yeah, if edit is on, there should be an edit link to them (and everything else) in the index view | 04:55 |
| beppu | I see no such links. | 04:55 |
| beppu | I have the ability to add and unsubscribe. | 04:56 |
| beppu | (I mostly want to get rid of the header that says "using git to contribute to webgui 8" since the title says the same thing already.) | 04:56 |
| beppu | Maybe I'll just leave an issue for elnino on github. | 04:57 |
| @scrottie | sorry, I'm just being slow | 04:58 |
| @scrottie | is there a link in the top right that says "Turn Admin On!"? | 04:59 |
| beppu | not for me | 04:59 |
| @scrottie | Does it say "Click here to log in"? | 04:59 |
| @scrottie | can't imagine you got logged out | 04:59 |
| @scrottie | (have I mentioned that I'm really bad at the admin UI?) | 05:00 |
| beppu | I'm logged in as beppu. (that's how I made the post in the first place). | 05:00 |
| @scrottie | okay. | 05:00 |
| @scrottie | one minute. | 05:00 |
| @scrottie | por favor. | 05:00 |
| beppu | Well, I'm even worse. :P | 05:00 |
| @scrottie | you can really bleed people to death with these fine grained permission controls =P | 05:00 |
| beppu | Where's sudo when you need it? | 05:01 |
| @scrottie | there's a group just for the "turn admin on" permission. | 05:01 |
| @scrottie | heh | 05:01 |
| @scrottie | okay, reload the page and see if there's a "turn admin on" link? and if so, click it. | 05:01 |
| beppu | it's there. clicking | 05:02 |
| @scrottie | that might make committing versions tags work too. I need to look at the workflow for them though... | 05:02 |
| beppu | I'll try http://www.webgui.org/staff-blog/staff-blog-thread?op=manageVersions again. | 05:03 |
| @scrottie | cool, yes | 05:03 |
| beppu | that worked too | 05:04 |
| @scrottie | nice | 05:04 |
| @scrottie | okay, then I don't have to look at the workflow | 05:04 |
| @scrottie | (which involves looking at the blog asset to see which commit workflow it uses) | 05:04 |
| @scrottie | I'm pretty sure wG is Turing Complete | 05:04 |
| beppu | ehe | 05:05 |
| beppu | Ok,.. I'm gonna head home now. | 05:05 |
| beppu | hardly anyone at the office today. | 05:05 |
| @scrottie | cool. have a good evening. catch ya later. | 05:05 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 05:05 |
| beppu | Did I make the blog posts too skinny for your taste? | 05:06 |
| beppu | I set the width of .blogPost to 55em or so to prevent the text from getting too wide. | 05:06 |
| @scrottie | looks fine to me | 05:07 |
| beppu | cool. going home.... | 05:07 |
| @scrottie | I'm surprised cut and paste worked as well as it did | 05:07 |
| @scrottie | catch ya later! | 05:07 |
| @scrottie | and thanks again for that! | 05:07 |
| beppu | I also made the fork image you added link directly to https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/fork in case someone tries to click it. (It'll do the right thing.) | 07:00 |
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| @scrottie | cool | 07:06 |
| @scrottie | people seem to be nervous about how to fork things on github. they think it is going to be scary, so I just wanted to tell them that it's just a button press. | 07:06 |
| beppu | Yeah, forking is relatively harmless. | 07:15 |
| beppu | I think the harder part is to remember to keep track of what's happening upstream and merge that in periodically. | 07:15 |
| beppu | danny_mk needed to do that for his admin work. | 07:16 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I should probably give away commit bits recklessly like Audrey did/does. | 07:16 |
| beppu | For the git-challenged, that may make things easier. | 07:16 |
| beppu | In danny_mk's case, it's probably a good idea. | 07:17 |
| beppu | The thing about pugs... it was written in Haskell which has a steep learning curve. That limited who could participate considerably. | 07:19 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 07:19 |
| @scrottie | still, I like the easy commit bits. | 07:19 |
| @scrottie | I like that philosophy. | 07:19 |
| @scrottie | pugs was a lot more appealing of a project than parrot even if Haskell does have a learning curve. | 07:31 |
| beppu | I agree. It's too bad audreyt stopped. | 07:32 |
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| @scrottie | curses ANSI art doesn't seem to work over ssh, at least from my system. hrm. | 07:33 |
| beppu | Block chars have been pretty hit or miss for me. | 07:33 |
| @scrottie | oh, no, it's screen that's screwing it up. | 07:34 |
| beppu | export TERM=xterm-256color and try again. | 07:34 |
| beppu | I notice perlDreamer (aka colink) submitted a lot of the bugs in the bug tracker. http://search.cpan.org/~colink/ | 07:41 |
| beppu | Is he aware of your kickstarter? | 07:42 |
| @scrottie | yeah, he congratulated me on it. | 07:42 |
| @scrottie | I worked with him pretty closely while I was at PB and on contract jobs with them. | 07:42 |
| beppu | Is he stil doing anything webgui-related? | 07:43 |
| @scrottie | some client work now and then, as far as I know. | 07:43 |
| @scrottie | he's kind of the unit testing/bug fixing mother superior | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | he was in charge of client support including fixes | 07:44 |
| @scrottie | he policed all commits for unit tests | 07:44 |
| beppu | There are a lot of bugs left to fix. | 07:46 |
| @scrottie | most of the ones marked "critical/blocking" are not in fact critical and blocking. | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | Doug was one of those programmers who couldn't really let go of a project. It was never good enough. | 07:53 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/scrottie/039e4688e83f2240f178 ... I started writing a TPF proposal before JT stepped in. =head3 Beta Release has a list of things that actually need to be fixed. | 07:54 |
| @scrottie | I should update the tracker to match since the project is go. | 07:54 |
| beppu | Please do. | 07:55 |
| beppu | actually... that gist is easier to read than the webgui bugtracker. <-- i am not fond of that bug tracker. | 07:58 |
| beppu | I always hit back and it takes me out of the bug tracker. | 07:58 |
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| @scrottie | aside from the bugs, I kind of like the bug tracker. at least its minimal. I've had to use too many things like bugzilla and RT that are way too heavy weight, I think. | 07:59 |
| @scrottie | I should update the bug tracker anyway. | 07:59 |
| @scrottie | Google isn't letting slowass.net send mail because I've sent an "unusual large volume of email" today. FML. | 08:00 |
| @scrottie | so installer bug reports don't make it back to me. | 08:00 |
| beppu | You spammer! ;) | 08:00 |
| beppu | How many mails did you send? | 08:01 |
| @scrottie | let me see | 08:01 |
| @scrottie | about 80 | 08:03 |
| @scrottie | mostly TBAG stuff | 08:03 |
| beppu | Was it a mass mailing, or did you write 80 distinct emails? | 08:04 |
| @scrottie | 80 distinct emails. | 08:04 |
| beppu | god damn. | 08:04 |
| @scrottie | not even a busy day. | 08:04 |
| @scrottie | lots of project management type stuff. | 08:05 |
| beppu | google's mail software should be smart enough to realize you're not spamming. | 08:05 |
| @scrottie | I honestly don't think Google is very good at spam control. | 08:06 |
| @scrottie | they improved on previous efforts, but I don't think by that much. | 08:07 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/tmp_26690.png | 08:30 |
| @scrottie | ... while asking Google for help | 08:30 |
| * scrottie sighs | 08:30 | |
| @scrottie | Angular apps barf in ways that loose everything you've typed and they do it far too often. | 08:31 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/7f8dbcee25832733925401f2f528ba1e0d27a2f7 | 10:42 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 7f8dbce Scott Walters: installer: dump a non url encoded error log to console #10 | 10:42 |
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| E-man1982 | Hi, I was looking for a way to change the 404 page in webgui | 12:33 |
| E-man1982 | I'm new at this CMS, afraid can't find it | 12:33 |
| @scrottie | hrm. 404 page. | 12:33 |
| @scrottie | I think it's a setting. do you have wgd installed? | 12:34 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/tmp_5429.png | 12:35 |
| @scrottie | ah. there it is. do Turn Admin On, then look for Settings in the Admin Console. | 12:35 |
| E-man1982 | Ah...OK Don't have the settings option. Probably don't have enough rights | 12:37 |
| @scrottie | maybe not. is it your system? you might have to turn the UI level up. | 12:37 |
| E-man1982 | On admin tab | 12:37 |
| E-man1982 | No I'm a lowly contributor | 12:37 |
| @scrottie | ah. | 12:37 |
| E-man1982 | will contact our support... | 12:38 |
| E-man1982 | thx! | 12:38 |
| @scrottie | sure thing! have a good one. | 12:38 |
| E-man1982 | so far for my first IRC experience :) | 12:39 |
| @scrottie | heh. welcome to IRC then! | 12:39 |
| E-man1982 | bye | 12:39 |
| @scrottie | later | 12:40 |
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| @scrottie | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | libmysqlclient18-dev : Depends: libmysqlclient18 (= 5.5.35-rel33.0-611.wheezy) | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | I don't know if it's because I just did a dist-upgrade (which amazingly didn't completely hose the machine) or if it's related to Percona supporting the stable version of Debian and this one being testing or unstable or something, or if I installed something else, or what. | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | but Percona is not currently installing on this thing. | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | maybe MariaDB is a better choice. | 13:18 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/2b6d8b7e6510020dd67ee5160773c5a832056147 | 13:28 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 2b6d8b7 Scott Walters: better diagnostics #10... | 13:28 |
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| @scrottie | yarr. | 20:34 |
| @scrottie | heya BartJol. | 20:34 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/cc1ff35d0ee47a6a8c32029b6a197dc7fe765c77 | 13:40 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master cc1ff35 Scott Walters: Try MariaDB instead of Percona #10... | 13:40 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/10ccfc14c2880282a01443180b627c409bbef3fb | 13:41 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 10ccfc1 Scott Walters: Try plain vanilla MySQL for Debian #10... | 13:41 |
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| sany_ok | Hello | 16:14 |
| sany_ok | Can anyone please suggest me how to enable debug mode, I tried in the settings without success | 16:14 |
| sany_ok | shell a template have some macro to output debug info? | 17:59 |
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| @scrottie | do you have wgd? | 21:01 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/e9fa4329fc2738f1e5e54e3084c0ea5ac163ec4b | 23:32 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master e9fa432 Scott Walters: unfinished - add a mode to run() where it relays STDIN #10... | 23:32 |
| @scrottie | I think I'm going to back to working on the CentOS support for the installer for a while. I'm getting really tired of Debian shitting itself and having to be blown away. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | this thing makes Windows NT 3.51 look like a pillar of stability. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | I got some milage out of editing /var/lib/dpkg/status directly and telling it that wedged packages weren't installed, then re-installing and un-installing them, but then it does things like try to fire up mysqld twice while installing it and wedge against itself | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | no idea how it came up with that one | 23:35 |
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| sany_ok | scrottie, may be my wrapper for apt/dpkg/other tools can help | 06:04 |
| sany_ok | It can do some things to help with dpkg system | 06:05 |
| sany_ok | case $Action in | 06:05 |
| sany_ok | ( info | search | large | install | install_listed | install_sid | remove | purge | purge2 | sections | file | best | installed | reinstall | verify | save | restore | search | deps | upgrade | extract | 2tar | scripts | config | hold | list_installed | add_key | waste | purge_waste | reconfigure | upgrade_remote | get_debs | edit ) | 06:05 |
| beppu | sany_ok: I tried turning on debug mode via Settings, and it gave me a nice transparent black sidebar in the left with a lot of info: http://i.imgur.com/SgSUvLI.png | 07:38 |
| beppu | I had to reload the page for it to show up. | 07:38 |
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| beppu | http://i.imgur.com/SgSUvLI.png <- debug mode enabled via settings | 07:40 |
| sany_ok | beppu, there was an unexpected route for my webgui host in my network, that is why my single IP did not work earlier | 08:30 |
| sany_ok | But I still do not see such nice debug interface like you | 08:31 |
| sany_ok | my debug output displays at the bottom without a bar, and only forms and queries are shown | 08:31 |
| sany_ok | http://clipboards.me/b=693505257 | 08:35 |
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| sany_ok | still the same debug output on a demo site with a default theme | 09:07 |
| sany_ok | even if a browser restarted, iceweasel or chrome - tried both | 09:09 |
| sany_ok | you can see it at: http://demo.aulix.com | 09:11 |
| sany_ok | enabled for all 0.0.0.0/0 | 09:11 |
| sany_ok | oh, I guess you have v8, while I have v7 :) | 09:14 |
| sany_ok | http://blog.patspam.com/2010/its-official-webgui-8-will-be-plack-powered | 09:14 |
| sany_ok | Plack looks very nice, and API something like a few of ASP.NET | 09:28 |
| sany_ok | It seems my dnsmasq resolves to TLD if uptier cannot resolve the address | 09:43 |
| sany_ok | it added unexpected direct route to aulix.com | 09:43 |
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| sany_ok | Please let me know, how can I diagnose mail not being sent: | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 1) Enabled debug log both on website and in /var/log/webgui.log at debug level | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 2) Submitting some data using contact form | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 3) I see a corresponding record being added to the mailQueue according to the logs | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 4) I select * from mailQueue, and there is no such record | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 5) If webgui.log level set to error, it is empty after form submitted | 11:18 |
| sany_ok | 6) There is no corresponding e-mail sent, mail logs are empty, no e-mail received | 11:18 |
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| @scrottie | <sany_ok> 4) I select * from mailQueue, and there is no such record | 12:48 |
| @scrottie | that means that it was sent. | 12:48 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 12:49 |
| @scrottie | no idea. | 12:49 |
| sany_ok | will try to increase logging on my postfix | 12:58 |
| sany_ok | Is it possible to debug WebGUI under IDE? | 12:58 |
| sany_ok | For example Padre or may be something better? | 12:59 |
| @scrottie | I've never tried Padre. I don't know if or how that would work. | 12:59 |
| @scrottie | responding to your email too | 12:59 |
| @scrottie | you need a support contract ;) | 12:59 |
| sany_ok | How much does it cost? | 12:59 |
| @scrottie | I have no idea. you'd jave to talk to tavis@plainblack.com or someone. | 13:00 |
| @scrottie | er, have to | 13:00 |
| sany_ok | most likely I will not afford, I earn only $10K/y net | 13:00 |
| sany_ok | and sometimes $30/h in the evening (freelancing dotnet) | 13:01 |
| @scrottie | we need to get you more clients then! | 13:01 |
| @scrottie | more customers. | 13:01 |
| sany_ok | I am going to install vesta CP, then deploy billing | 13:02 |
| * scrottie fights with Unix IO | 13:02 | |
| sany_ok | without that the hosting is just to share Linode costs right now | 13:02 |
| sany_ok | Do you run UNIX (not linux)? | 13:03 |
| sany_ok | may be BSD | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | I used to run a lot of BSD | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | that's a long story | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | FreeBSD 5 totally fucked things up | 13:04 |
| @scrottie | NetBSD Foundation got hijacked by the NetBSD Project (or the other way around; commercial arm took over and ruined everything) | 13:04 |
| sany_ok | I found Linux is the best OS for me, and VB.net the best programming language again for me :) | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | OpenBSD is nice for servers, but they refuse to allow known buggy code in, so they never added ACPI support that I know of. | 13:05 |
| sany_ok | with ZFS it is a cake now | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | maybe they finally did. | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | no, Linux stuff | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | working on the installer for Debian at the moment | 13:05 |
| @scrottie | Linux is really, really fragile | 13:06 |
| * sany_ok run Debian since etch | 13:06 | |
| sany_ok | What do you mean under fragile? kernel stability? | 13:07 |
| @scrottie | that too, but mostly the design | 13:07 |
| @scrottie | udevd malfunctions | 13:07 |
| @scrottie | kernel trying to run userland tools not included in the kernel source and panic'ing when they aren't there | 13:07 |
| sany_ok | it is a hacker design, not so cannonical like UNIX, but it just works :) | 13:07 |
| @scrottie | it doesn't just work. too fragile. | 13:08 |
| @scrottie | too complicated. not elegant. | 13:08 |
| sany_ok | when we choose right stable components it is a rock solid | 13:08 |
| @scrottie | missing the Unix philosophy. | 13:08 |
| @scrottie | fewer and fewer understand the Unix philosophy these days. | 13:08 |
| @scrottie | everyone says that, but I worked at a large ISP and got daily crash reports. | 13:09 |
| @scrottie | Linux crashes more than Windows. | 13:09 |
| sany_ok | may be because its development is not centralized, it is more like a bazar | 13:09 |
| sany_ok | actually I did not see Debian stable crashes recently for over a year already | 13:09 |
| @scrottie | a bazaar can still have a style. Theo/OpenBSD has a very different style. | 13:09 |
| sany_ok | it is rocksolid for me | 13:09 |
| sany_ok | I agree, it is just like it is | 13:10 |
| @scrottie | it crashes all of the time for me. and things *break* and are hard to fix, or I have to reinstall. | 13:10 |
| sany_ok | do you use stable? | 13:10 |
| @scrottie | I just had to re-install Debian after adding/removing mysql too many times, and interrupting it. | 13:10 |
| sany_ok | There is a jerk with MySQL reinstalling | 13:10 |
| sany_ok | I have made a script sometimes | 13:10 |
| @scrottie | wheezy/sid on the laptop | 13:10 |
| sany_ok | not sure where it is now | 13:10 |
| @scrottie | 7.6 on the test machine I'm working on the installer on | 13:11 |
| sany_ok | wheezy is very stable for me on kernetl 3.13 | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | heh, completely different format | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | everyone lies about OS stability. | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | the Windows people used to swear that Windows never crashes. | 13:11 |
| sany_ok | I am honest, I could not find anything better | 13:11 |
| sany_ok | for myself | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | they told this lie and forgot that I had been standing behind them when it crashed for them. | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | QNX. | 13:11 |
| @scrottie | I want to run QNX. | 13:12 |
| @scrottie | *that's* stable. | 13:12 |
| @scrottie | slowass.net runs Slackware | 13:12 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/linux_extra_crash.avi | 13:13 |
| sany_ok | I installed my Debian only once in 2006 when Fedora failed to upgrade, it was the last straw of my tolerance to Fedora | 13:13 |
| @scrottie | Fedora sucks too | 13:13 |
| sany_ok | then always only upgraded it, sometimes tricky, but always possible | 13:13 |
| @scrottie | Linux once crashed so hard for me that it clobbered video attribute memory (video) | 13:13 |
| sany_ok | QNX is more stable for sure | 13:14 |
| sany_ok | but it has not 30.000 debs in a repo | 13:14 |
| @scrottie | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/linux.html | 13:14 |
| sany_ok | Debian is the best thing of stability and amount of software at the same time | 13:14 |
| @scrottie | first one is an example of "fragile" | 13:15 |
| @scrottie | linux wanted to run /lib/udev/mtp-probe. I didn't have it on my system. boom, crash. | 13:15 |
| sany_ok | I see, agree some kerner versions are not stable, for example with relativelly easy things like bluetooth | 13:15 |
| sany_ok | for example default kernel 3.2 is NOT stable | 13:16 |
| @scrottie | on BSD, to upgrade, I could download the latest .tgz's, uncompress them, and then reboot whenever I felt like and wanted to load the new kernel. | 13:16 |
| sany_ok | But I mostly talk about the distro, not only about the kernel | 13:16 |
| @scrottie | I could just write the newer system over top of the old system, run ldconfig, and everything worked fine. | 13:16 |
| @scrottie | *not* fragile. | 13:16 |
| @scrottie | I hate apt with a passion, too. | 13:17 |
| @scrottie | god only knows why I'm working on an installer that uses apt. | 13:17 |
| sany_ok | may be it is more expansive to do such agile systems like you describe | 13:17 |
| sany_ok | but Linux looks like a best deal for my tasks, especially Debian | 13:18 |
| @scrottie | I had a FreeBSD 2.2.7 nameserver that was up for 10 years | 13:18 |
| sany_ok | may be for a please or rest I would play BSD, I have a very few experience with it | 13:18 |
| @scrottie | also saw a BSDi system with a 10 year uptime, with a crazy high load average | 13:18 |
| sany_ok | but for recent packages I need to go Linux | 13:18 |
| @scrottie | well, they ruined FreeBSD and NetBSD | 13:18 |
| sany_ok | and to be smart I need Debian | 13:18 |
| @scrottie | slowass.net ran OpenBSD when it was still a Sparc 10 but I moved it to Linode and they don't have OpenBSD. | 13:19 |
| sany_ok | May be they do to bring people to Linux, corporations do not care about canonical unless they earn from this | 13:19 |
| sany_ok | I mean force people to migrate to Linux, by reducing BSD budgets, not providing recent packages | 13:20 |
| @scrottie | no, BSD just never took off like Linux did | 13:20 |
| @scrottie | I think there are psychological reasons | 13:20 |
| sany_ok | When choosing Linux I just saw to repo | 13:21 |
| @scrottie | 386BSD was available, stable, and complete before Linux was released | 13:21 |
| @scrottie | and coherent | 13:21 |
| sany_ok | Also corps promote Linux to get more people - potential future contributers of employees | 13:21 |
| @scrottie | Linux is still a mess of random pieces of things that each half way screw up re-implementing the original | 13:21 |
| @scrottie | ... but people got excited about Linux, not BSD | 13:21 |
| @scrottie | I think they felt like it was "thiers" | 13:21 |
| sany_ok | I do not argue about BSD excellance over Linux, but it is just a business | 13:22 |
| @scrottie | I think Linux took off *because* it was using everyone's open source projects... initd, getty, etc, etc were all freeware programs. | 13:22 |
| sany_ok | It costs many millions to develop all this Linux soft | 13:22 |
| @scrottie | they got the freeware authors to buy in to Linux by using their software. | 13:22 |
| @scrottie | whereas BSD just kind of "feel out of the sky" | 13:22 |
| @scrottie | fell | 13:22 |
| @scrottie | this was a long time ago... mid/late 90's | 13:22 |
| sany_ok | It is like WebGUI vs PHP toys | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | Linux pulled ahead then and even though BSD was better at least until FreeBSD 4, not many people used it. | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | not many people use Postgres instead of MySQL either. | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | the best technology usually doesn't win. | 13:23 |
| sany_ok | hopefully WebGUI will survive | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | heh | 13:23 |
| sany_ok | Long life WebGUI | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | we'll see =) | 13:23 |
| @scrottie | I remember when all software was written for Solaris/AIX/Ultrix and people had to change it to get it to work on Linux | 13:24 |
| sany_ok | I have noticed that often perl based software is the best | 13:24 |
| sany_ok | For example ASSP, WebGUI | 13:24 |
| sany_ok | many more | 13:24 |
| sany_ok | most likely it is an old school from UNIX | 13:24 |
| @scrottie | for some reason, there are a lot of smart Perl programmers. that's what *really* makes Perl fun... the people. | 13:24 |
| sany_ok | really good developers | 13:24 |
| @scrottie | exactly | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | but Ruby is doing a lot of that too. smart people. good modules, good APIs. | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | awesome software. | 13:25 |
| sany_ok | Good developer can do good things in any language, it is just a matter of how difficult it is for him | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | but if you are a good developer, you get to pick which language you want to work in. | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | and a lot of smart people picked Ruby and did awesome stuff with it. | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | When I program in any language except VB.NET, I think about language, in VB.NET I just talk like in a general natural language | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | though I know C++, JavaScript | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | I want to program GI1600 =) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cuttle-Cart-3-Software-on-DVD-Micro-SD-Card-Adapt-Intellivision-Rocks-CD-/171420089855?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27e96efdff | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | I have a lot of fun writing stuff in Perl, but I also miss programming in other things. I used to do a lot of 6502 assembly, and then started working on a project in that again, and worked on that a lot recently (until this kickstarter!) | 13:28 |
| @scrottie | I miss LPC a lot | 13:28 |
| @scrottie | (now Pike, but mostly fun because of the environment) | 13:28 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/scrottie/2600lava <-- 6502 | 13:28 |
| sany_ok | I only tried x86 asm - so called residents appearing from nowhere in DOS :) | 13:29 |
| @scrottie | TSRs | 13:29 |
| sany_ok | yes ;) | 13:29 |
| @scrottie | x86 assembly is terrible, but 8080 is actually really nice | 13:29 |
| @scrottie | Z80/8080 is a way better chip than the 6502 | 13:29 |
| sany_ok | Now prefer high level languages | 13:29 |
| @scrottie | haha | 13:30 |
| @scrottie | I want to learn Verilog | 13:30 |
| sany_ok | May be MS will do really visual prolog, there is a synonim non MS product | 13:30 |
| @scrottie | I just got a Java certification | 13:30 |
| @scrottie | Java is boring as heck | 13:30 |
| sany_ok | not more than a C# :) | 13:30 |
| @scrottie | C# is more fun. people at least write games in C# | 13:31 |
| sany_ok | in Java world Scala looks promising | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | most of the humbleindiebundle stuff is C#. | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | most "indie" games are C# | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | Kerbal Space Program | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | Limbo | 13:32 |
| sany_ok | I tried C# several times, I can write it almost the same as VB.NET, the same dotnet libraries, but it is a waste of time, because VB.net is a time saver | 13:32 |
| sany_ok | http://aulix.com/vb-net-is-better-than-c-sharp | 13:32 |
| sany_ok | My vb programs work fine in Linux | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | For example: | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | http://aulix.com/backup2dvd | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | They can run on mono or wine | 13:33 |
| @scrottie | I am probably not going to write indie games in VB.NET and that's my interest in C#, so not interest in VB.NET | 13:35 |
| @scrottie | I did used to do some ASP/VB way back when though | 13:35 |
| @scrottie | and AtariBASIC long before that | 13:35 |
| sany_ok | Backup2DVD is a free program to write to several blanks one after another with data redundancy | 13:35 |
| @scrottie | BASIC is okay. | 13:35 |
| sany_ok | I tried ATARI too, also MS GW on DOS :) | 13:36 |
| sany_ok | VB.net has better IDE than anything else, though it is the same VIsual Studio | 13:37 |
| @scrottie | I had a lot of fun with my Atari =) | 13:37 |
| sany_ok | Bulderdash game, do you remember? | 13:37 |
| @scrottie | yeah. I love that game. | 13:38 |
| @scrottie | someone recently ported it to the Atari 2600 | 13:38 |
| @scrottie | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-sHko09SKwPY/TlUjfhyg21I/AAAAAAAAAFs/_7waNM2YkrQ/s1600/BoulderDash100.bin_1.png | 13:38 |
| sany_ok | I would like to try it on a Linux emulator | 13:38 |
| @scrottie | *amazing* feat of programming | 13:38 |
| sany_ok | The best game of my childhood | 13:39 |
| @scrottie | I did a presentation at YAPC the previous year with a mash-up of Super Mario Bros and Boulderdash, written in Perl and 6502 | 13:39 |
| @scrottie | last levels are *impossible* | 13:39 |
| sany_ok | Wow, Perl ! interesting :) | 13:39 |
| @scrottie | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0kXwoROYAU | 13:40 |
| @scrottie | huh, they lost the first half of it | 13:40 |
| @scrottie | I showed a whole bunch of stuff and the Boulderdash mash-up was probably at the start | 13:40 |
| @scrottie | huh, and I never put the code up | 13:42 |
| sany_ok | Did you do this just for fun? | 13:43 |
| @scrottie | oh, wait, yes I did put the code up... https://gist.github.com/scrottie/2777935 | 13:44 |
| @scrottie | yup! | 13:44 |
| @scrottie | like I said... I have fun writing Perl ;) | 13:44 |
| sany_ok | Uh, a lot of code! | 13:45 |
| sany_ok | Is it a manuall write or some translation? | 13:45 |
| @scrottie | translated a lot of SMB3 to Perl | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | jumping/running | 13:46 |
| sany_ok | I see | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | and collision detection | 13:46 |
| sany_ok | nice | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | I should have used Acme::6502 instead of translating | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | translating was *hard* | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | you should be able to download it and play it | 13:46 |
| @scrottie | not many levels right now | 13:47 |
| @scrottie | needs more | 13:47 |
| @scrottie | then when I started working on my Atari 2600 games, I did use Acme::6502 to write unit tests for it | 13:47 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/f12ce7c44e5c1aa4ba6ee8847114ebab695e85bc | 13:49 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master f12ce7c root: rewrite the child process IO copying code in run() #10... | 13:49 |
| @scrottie | I love that. | 13:49 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/blob/master/installer/webgui_installer.pl#L496 ... on down for the next 200 or so lines... that's a lot less fun | 13:49 |
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| sany_ok | Do you think https://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/debug.html#Interactive_mod_perl_Debugging will work to debug WebGUI v7? | 15:16 |
| sany_ok | http://plosquare.blogspot.co.uk/2009/04/debugging-modperl-applications-with.html | 15:19 |
| sany_ok | I guess | 15:26 |
| sany_ok | http://docs.activestate.com/komodo/4.4/debugperl.html | 15:26 |
| sany_ok | is the best | 15:26 |
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| @scrottie | wow, that was odd. | 04:58 |
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| sany_ok | Good morning | 06:59 |
| sany_ok | Does komodo works well in remote debugging mode with mod_perl? | 07:00 |
| sany_ok | Does komodo work | 07:00 |
| @scrottie | no idea. | 07:29 |
| @scrottie | mod_perl makes it harder. | 07:48 |
| @scrottie | one option would be to debug under "plebgui" | 07:48 |
| @scrottie | that's 7 but with plack | 07:49 |
| @scrottie | so it runs as a normal command line app. | 07:49 |
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| sany_ok | komodo declares remote debugging is present, not sure how reliable it is and even do not know which page shall I debug, because WebGUI most likely has some time of a router for human readable URLs | 09:28 |
| sany_ok | may be /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI.pm | 09:30 |
| +BartJol | heya scrottie sorry, wasn't really online | 09:42 |
| @scrottie | autoreconnect. typical. well, hello. | 09:42 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/e8b51105b8829deb0f95249d3cfb5bf5358a3a7b | 12:13 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master e8b5110 Scott Walters: many installer fixes for Debian #10... | 12:13 |
| @scrottie | when debugging perl apps on mod_perl, I use gdb =| | 12:16 |
| @scrottie | sany_ok, any luck? | 12:16 |
| sany_ok | I did not try yet | 13:11 |
| sany_ok | gdb, is it text mode? I am comfortable when it is an IDE like Visual Studio | 13:11 |
| sany_ok | I am not sure which is initial page for debugging WG? | 13:12 |
| @scrottie | gdb is also a C debugger, not a Perl debugger. | 13:24 |
| @scrottie | depends if you're debugging queueing mail or sending it. sending it is an operation. look in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Operation and the config file to figure out which one and where. | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | or maybe not | 13:25 |
| sany_ok | Sending seems to be a workflow | 13:25 |
| @scrottie | # "emailOverride" : "joe@example.com", | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | make sure you don't have that set | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | in your config file | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | # "emailToLog" : "1", | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | no, I've check the config many times | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | or that | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | ok | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | At the beginning I would like to become aware overal how to debug WebGUI | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | not just e-mail | 13:26 |
| sany_ok | to be able to fix any minor bugs | 13:26 |
| @scrottie | not sure exactly how spectre causes WebGUI::Workflow::Activity::SendQueuedMailMessages to be run, but in general, spectre connects to the WebGUI and does a POST or a GET | 13:27 |
| sany_ok | by myself | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | add more debug statements and restart it. | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | or run plebgui under a GUI or text Perl debugger. | 13:27 |
| sany_ok | since mail queue is being cleared, it is spectre | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | probably. not necessarily. | 13:27 |
| sany_ok | then most likely I even do not need to debug mod_perl right now | 13:27 |
| @scrottie | spectre takes a minute to get around to delivering messages and clearing the table. | 13:28 |
| sany_ok | just spectre | 13:28 |
| @scrottie | so since it goes empty immediately, I think there is another problem. | 13:28 |
| sany_ok | My host have a low load | 13:28 |
| sany_ok | has | 13:29 |
| sany_ok | well, I would like to learn debugging WG anyway, even not depending on mail problem, but most likely I will begin with it later in about 2-3 weeks | 13:30 |
| sany_ok | Did most developers use only text mode tools when developing WebGUI? Is not IDE more comfortable? | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | I think everyone used vi except for Paul Driver who used emacs. | 13:31 |
| @scrottie | so yes. | 13:31 |
| sany_ok | I generally use text mode joe only for bash | 13:31 |
| sany_ok | amazing | 13:32 |
| sany_ok | all old school I guess | 13:32 |
| @scrottie | vi is preferred by most programmers working on Unix. it's very powerful. | 13:32 |
| sany_ok | it looks like some editors on x8080 computers | 13:32 |
| @scrottie | yes, because text looks like text =P | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | But I began with Turbo shell, like Turbo C++, Borland Pascal | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | so I like joe more | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | also there is a fullTurboVision based editor | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | but I do not use it | 13:33 |
| sany_ok | btw, do translators from perl to compiled languages exist? | 13:36 |
| sany_ok | to C, C++ | 13:36 |
| @scrottie | kind of. http://search.cpan.org/~rurban/B-C-1.51/lib/B/C.pm | 13:36 |
| sany_ok | I have read perl6 will run on its own VM parrot | 13:37 |
| sany_ok | it will be a bytecode like JVM | 13:37 |
| @scrottie | and it might even be considered production quality some day. | 13:37 |
| sany_ok | most likely a native compiler will appear for parrot bytecode | 13:38 |
| @scrottie | Perl 6 also targets the JVM. | 13:38 |
| sany_ok | And DotNet | 13:38 |
| @scrottie | not that I've heard of. where did you read that? | 13:38 |
| sany_ok | for JVM native compiler already exist | 13:38 |
| sany_ok | on perl6 website | 13:39 |
| sany_ok | https://github.com/sorear/niecza | 13:39 |
| sany_ok | I would like to have a good perl and prolog directly in Visual Studio | 13:40 |
| sany_ok | to compile to DotNet, then run on Mono on Linux | 13:40 |
| sany_ok | About DotNet parrot: | 13:41 |
| sany_ok | 2.8.2 or later is recommended for best performance; you should use RUN_CLR=mono-sgen in this case. 2.10 (latest stable) is also tested. | 13:41 |
| @scrottie | hasn't been touched in 8 months | 13:42 |
| sany_ok | If niecza works with both CPAN and DotNet libraries it will be a bomb language | 13:42 |
| sany_ok | for small command line utilities | 13:42 |
| sany_ok | It has very slow development, I thought it is dead at all in 2013 | 13:43 |
| sany_ok | From DotNet I can run iKVM with any java code, so parrot will run too at least JVM version | 13:44 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/blob/master/installer/webgui_installer.pl#L1499 | 13:44 |
| @scrottie | I need to add startup files for Debian | 13:45 |
| @scrottie | in the installer. | 13:45 |
| @scrottie | for nginx and webgui. | 13:45 |
| @scrottie | I added startup files for CentOS before. | 13:45 |
| @scrottie | I'm not stuck on that task, but if you wanted to help, it would be a nice small task for you =) | 13:46 |
| sany_ok | I can help with tasks on my roadmap if they what you are interested too, you could give your advices | 13:47 |
| sany_ok | I did not work with nginx ever | 13:47 |
| sany_ok | only apache2 | 13:47 |
| @scrottie | which tasks are on your roadmap? I have to do the work outlined for the Kickstarter. | 13:48 |
| sany_ok | A few ( my roadmap primary in my head :) | 13:48 |
| sany_ok | Integration of WebGUI with OrchardCMS (Microsoft employees do a thing running on Linux and Postgres) | 13:49 |
| sany_ok | Integrate my billing with WebGUI users | 13:50 |
| @scrottie | I can only help with that a very little by giving you tips and pointers. | 13:50 |
| sany_ok | rewrite provisioning scripts in VB.net (now in bash -difficult to debug) and integrate into my billing | 13:50 |
| sany_ok | sure, just advices where to find something in pl files, which to debug, or best way to extend | 13:51 |
| sany_ok | My billing shall migrate to Orchard at first, then integrate with WG hosting | 13:52 |
| sany_ok | Right now it is custom dotnet v2, will migrate to MVC Orchard | 13:52 |
| sany_ok | And user base shall be the same with WebGUI | 13:52 |
| sany_ok | I guess Postgress DB links | 13:53 |
| sany_ok | I am going to use WG for page which can be done without programming and orchard when programming is needed | 13:54 |
| sany_ok | because all CMSs suck compared to WG in terms of CMS features even Orchard | 13:54 |
| sany_ok | but Orchard is a good base for my own programming | 13:55 |
| sany_ok | Add DevExpress grids to my billing on Orchard | 13:57 |
| sany_ok | will WG sometimes later run on perl6 ? | 14:12 |
| haarg | perl 6 is an entirely separate language. you'd have to write everything from scratch. | 14:16 |
| sany_ok | may be autotranslators will appear later which highlight fragments for manual rewrite | 14:28 |
| sany_ok | like VB6->VB.net | 14:29 |
| sany_ok | semiautomatic | 14:29 |
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| scrottie | yarr. | 07:18 |
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| BartJol1 | you're a month early scrottie | 17:28 |
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| scrottie | ? | 20:58 |
| scrottie | I'm a month late | 20:58 |
| scrottie | on getting started | 20:58 |
| scrottie | or two | 20:58 |
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| BartJol1 | scrottie: the "yarr", talk like a pirate day is the 19th of spetember | 11:05 |
| scrottie | and I ain't be fingered for no land lubbering boy and hornswaggled again like last time! no sirree they ain't be catching me this time. I'lla be ready, matie. | 11:07 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/ce144ff5b67d5998c80a44a8a8f4765d37693a38 | 14:30 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master ce144ff Scott Walters: verbosity, install path, and path to self fixes #10... | 14:30 |
| scrottie | sudo installing is temporarily disabled. I'm probably not going to fix it. someone else can. non-root installs are probably a better feature. | 15:00 |
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| starsoft | OK, I've started again on a brandy new Wheezy VM. I've forked the AlliumCepa/webgui repo, cloned that into the VM, and run "git remote add upstream https://github.com/alliumcepa/webgui.git" and "git fetch upstream". Which branch do I need to checkout to start playing with WebGUI8? | 21:17 |
| starsoft | "brandy new" ? I wish. | 21:24 |
| beppu | starsoft: You should be in the master branch by default, and that's a fine branch to start on. | 21:28 |
| beppu | scrottie seems to be doing all his work in master. | 21:29 |
| * scrottie nods | 23:29 | |
| scrottie | master is wG8 | 23:29 |
| scrottie | 7 is in other branches, but those are behind github.com/plainblack/webgui. | 23:30 |
| scrottie | I should open a ticket for that. | 23:30 |
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| starsoft | OK, thanks. | 23:45 |
| scrottie | the installer is working pretty well for me on Debian right now. I need to revisit CentOS. | 23:49 |
| scrottie | I haven't updated the README about that yet. should probably do that. that would make it easier to get started with 8. | 23:49 |
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| starsoft | At the moment I'm working through the instructions in README.md. Hmmm. testEnvironment.pl has just failed on installing XML::Simple for want of XML::SAX::Expat. | 00:22 |
| scrottie | hrm. | 00:23 |
| scrottie | the installer would fail on that too. | 00:23 |
| starsoft | It's getting further now after running 'apt-get install libxml-parser-perl' | 00:34 |
| scrottie | hrm. | 00:45 |
| scrottie | probably XML::SAX::Expat failing for want of the Unix library. | 00:46 |
| starsoft | Now it's failed on Imager::File::PNG, and I'm going to bed. More tomorrow. | 00:47 |
| scrottie | okay, thanks for the report. looking in to that now. | 00:48 |
| scrottie | waiting to install it or failing because nothing installed it? | 00:48 |
| scrottie | I see Imager::File::PNG in sbin/testEnvironment.pl, so it should be trying to install it at least. | 00:48 |
| scrottie | the installer does install libexpat1-dev. | 00:53 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 2 new commits to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/compare/ce144ff5b67d...aec82fbfc63a | 01:10 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master ebcab8c Scott Walters: tell the user when we're using an existing webgui user #10 | 01:10 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master aec82fb Scott Walters: update install docs in the README.md to indicate that the source install instructions need you to figure out on your own which system packages you need for your particular OS as... | 01:10 |
| scrottie | hopefully those instructions are more helpful, in addition to explaining how to use the installer script. | 01:11 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/39ef55bdacbbe805115d7bc119cbf49cd902a038 | 07:58 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 39ef55b Scott Walters: make the script to blow away an installation for testing, cleanup.sh, a bit safer | 07:58 |
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| starsoft | scrottie: re Image::File::PNG, I've pasted the error message at http://pastebin.com/xT9EzQt9 | 10:44 |
| scrottie | okay, that makes sense. | 10:57 |
| scrottie | the source install instructions didn't tell you to find and install the system libraries the perl modules need. | 10:58 |
| scrottie | but you do have to. | 10:58 |
| scrottie | problem is, it's different for each system. | 10:58 |
| starsoft | I couldn't work out (after trying for at least 30 seconds :) what I needed to install when it complained about YAML. I'll try a bit harder. | 11:00 |
| scrottie | what did you need to install? | 11:01 |
| starsoft | Meanwhile, this morning I'm trying the installer. It's just failed on 'useradd webgui --shell bash', and has sent you an email about it. | 11:03 |
| scrottie | gah. Debian? which version? the bug reporter thing should really include that. | 11:05 |
| scrottie | "useradd: invalid shell 'bash'" | 11:05 |
| scrottie | oh, invalid here too. | 11:05 |
| scrottie | I guess I just assumed that would work. recent change. | 11:05 |
| scrottie | should be fixed now. | 11:08 |
| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/4f204c62cdd784a9563fa067fb4ceab3ec8eb4d3 | 11:08 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 4f204c6 Scott Walters: useradd --shell /bin/bash, not useradd --shell bash. it apparently matters. | 11:08 |
| starsoft | OK, trying again | 11:14 |
| starsoft | Woohoo! The installer completed, and Webgui8 is running! | 12:02 |
| scrottie | yay! | 12:05 |
| scrottie | did you do more questions, as few as possible, or moderate? | 12:06 |
| starsoft | More. It all seemed to make sense, and testEnvironment.pl ran OK. | 12:07 |
| scrottie | cool. | 12:07 |
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| scrottie | yo. | 15:52 |
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| scrottie | new blog post: http://www.webgui.org/8/developers-blog/introducing-the-curses-installer | 12:45 |
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| starsoft | On my new webgui8 system, it all seems to be working except for the assets page in the admin console: when I click on the assets link, it just displays the 'getting started' page. Other links such as Asset History work. | 20:03 |
| scrottie | hello... | 20:08 |
| scrottie | there are definitely bugs. see webgui.org/8 for a link to the bugtracker. | 20:09 |
| scrottie | that sounds like a bug and I don't know if it has been reported or not. | 20:09 |
| scrottie | if you go in to settings, you should be able to turn off the new site wizard. that might be a workaround for that. | 20:09 |
| scrottie | can't find that though. | 20:20 |
| starsoft | I can't find it either. I've raised a ticket (#12453) | 20:49 |
| scrottie | thanks | 20:58 |
| scrottie | I got distracted from trying to find that setting. not sure how the new site wizard works. can't find it in the content handlers or operations. | 20:59 |
| scrottie | oh, there it is... WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm. | 21:00 |
| scrottie | specialState setting is set to init to trigger the wizard | 21:00 |
| scrottie | wgd db -e 'delete from settings where name="specialState"' | 21:02 |
| scrottie | that should clear that | 21:02 |
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| starsoft | OK, I ran that wgd command, but it didn't make any difference. | 22:18 |
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| scrottie | did you turn on admin before you went through the new site wizard? | 23:25 |
| scrottie | trying to understand what happened there | 23:25 |
| scrottie | it definitely shouldn't show the wizard unless that value is set | 23:26 |
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| scrottie | hey spacebot | 08:37 |
| scrottie | I haven't forgotten about you, and sorry for the confusion. | 08:37 |
| scrottie | I'm going to take a closer look at that and try to follow along in a bit here. | 08:38 |
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| scrottie | yarr. | 21:28 |
| beppu1 | yarrrr; | 21:54 |
| beppu1 | (been busy with work) | 21:54 |
| * scrottie nods | 21:54 | |
| scrottie | I was kind of hoping jabberwok would comment on my work on the installer and tell me if I really did fix all of the issues he reported. | 21:55 |
| scrottie | I've been trying to get a hackintosh running the past few days | 21:55 |
| scrottie | ... and I just crashed Firefox from a cgi script | 22:01 |
| beppu1 | firefox stability has gone to shit. | 22:11 |
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| beppu | scrottie: I made a minor change to the CSS for the blog posts over the weekend so the letter spacing in h1 and h2 were normal. | 23:20 |
| scrottie | cool | 23:20 |
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| webguicommits | [webgui] scrottie pushed 1 new commit to master: https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/commit/81de4b61adf99ef01f7fc5cadf904922bc4faf5b | 08:17 |
| webguicommits | webgui/master 81de4b6 Scott Walters: add a link to the old source install instructions to the README.md | 08:17 |
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| scrottie | https://github.com/AlliumCepa/webgui/issues/16 ... can anyone help me get homebrew going? | 00:44 |
| scrottie | or verify that I can't run it on 10.7? | 00:44 |
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| haaarg | scrottie: the command line tools can be downloaded separately from the apple developer site | 01:42 |
| scrottie | no, it's a different problem, but thank you. | 02:20 |
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| webguicommits | webgui/master 829e81e Scott Walters: first stab at OSX OS detection. renamed $linux to $os since conditional execution depending on flavor of Linux really doesn't describe the situation any more. | 00:52 |
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