WebGUI irc logs from: 2010-08.log

@preaction
--- Log opened Wed Aug 04 11:24:50 2010
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@scrottie	"Looks like you failed 305 tests of 3149." ... now with vastly less blowing up!	13:53
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:09
+bartjol	hi	16:24
SDuensin	Hey bartjol	16:25
+bartjol	what's up?	16:26
+bartjol	I'm only upgrading WebGUI	16:26
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+perlmonkey2	why didn't 8 go with an orm?	17:56
+perlmonkey2	if u respond use my nick so my phone flashes. corporate ants cant run irc on work machines.	18:01
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+perlmonkey2	hey perlDreamer	18:05
+perlDreamer	hi, perlmonkey2!	18:05
+perlDreamer	good to see you back to visit!	18:05
+perlDreamer	how are things?	18:05
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer what r u up to these days?	18:07
+perlmonkey2	fine. working for the man these days :(	18:07
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, it's good to have any job these days	18:07
* perlDreamer is working on WebGUI 8		18:07
+perlmonkey2	bah corp jobs r easy to get cause no one with talent wants one.	18:08
+perlmonkey2	8 looks like a lot of fun. i missed the boat on it as i was playing with gae and nosql.	18:09
+perlDreamer	what's gae?	18:09
+perlDreamer	and there's still plenty to do on 8, if you're interested	18:09
+perlmonkey2	but gae had free hosting for clients. hard to beat	18:09
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/8	18:09
+perlDreamer	just pick a ticket	18:10
* perlDreamer gets called for breakfast		18:12
+perlmonkey2	looked it over last night. might pock up a ticket tonight.	18:13
+perlmonkey2	google app engine	18:13
+perlmonkey2	looks loke most of 8 is done	18:13
+bartjol	well perlmonkey2 I believe there is still some work to do	18:34
+bartjol	like making assets editable	18:34
+perlDreamer	that's happening right now, bartjol	18:36
+perlDreamer	preaction and scrottie are working on it	18:36
+bartjol	a, very good	18:38
+bartjol	that feature sucked	18:38
* perlDreamer goes to the gym, happy in the knowledge that bartjol is now pleased with WebGUI 8		18:41
+bartjol	well, off to my laundry	18:41
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@preaction	have we mined Krang for ideas? i'm reading this blog post and it seems to be very WebGUI-like	19:20
+perlDreamer	what's the link to Krang?	19:49
@preaction	http://proudtouseperl.com/	19:50
+perlDreamer	Krang is more like Bricolage then WebGUI, from what I remember	19:50
+perlDreamer	it's for publishing, not really applications	19:51
@preaction	ah	19:51
@preaction	i need to start up the black blog or some kind of blog again... we're suffering from the same problem Perl is: lack of noticeable activity	19:52
+perlDreamer	I've noticed that across the board	19:53
+perlDreamer	less forum activity	19:53
@preaction	yeah	19:53
+perlDreamer	fewer bug postings, less karma activity	19:53
+perlDreamer	less IRC chatter	19:53
@preaction	i'm also thinking people are waiting in breathless anticipation of 8, probably fearing a repeat of 7.0	19:53
@preaction	well, we've got some new faces / evangelists	19:53
+perlDreamer	preaction, maybe we need a WebGUI post on proudtouseperl, to complement the Krang post?	19:54
@preaction	JT's worried, i'm optimistic, but i have to get this load off my shoulders and have time to execute Plan Long View part Deux (wherein we assault the enemy on the beaches)	19:54
@preaction	note the date on that post: May 2009	19:54
+perlDreamer	what's JT worried about?	19:56
@preaction	the lack of activity, the seeming lack of interest. perhaps the stigma of the WebGUI name	19:57
@preaction	i think we've just bitten off a huge chunk and while we chew we can't be biting other stuff	19:57
@preaction	but then, as the showrunner, it's my job to have the optimism and ambition to spread around the project	19:57
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+perlDreamer	preaction maybe we should try to get a post on the new perl.com, instead	19:59
+perlDreamer	they just relaunched	20:00
@preaction	but it'd be me, i don't have time. i'm already freaking out about the WUC now that I know how much WebGUI 8 is going to be there (and how much WebGUI 8 I don't have and didn't think I needed)	20:00
@preaction	er... what's $recordCount inside the ProgressBar?	20:01
@preaction	it doesn't look like it's ever used	20:01
+perlDreamer	iirc, it keeps track of how far we've progressed, so we can reset the progress bar to 0 once we've gotten past a maximum width	20:01
@preaction	there was an ( if counter > 600 { counter = 0 } ) code in there	20:02
+perlDreamer	oh, I bet that was meant to (but apparently doesn't) set a different maximum width	20:02
+perlDreamer	instead of being fixed at 600	20:02
@preaction	i'm changing the progressbar to work with percentages, so you give it the number of tasks (or calculate it as the first step) and then it will update the progress bar accordingly (the YUI bar doesn't do open-ended stuff well)	20:03
@preaction	ahh	20:03
+perlDreamer	how can you know the percentages beforehand?	20:03
+perlDreamer	take purge, for example, or anything which has to work hierarchially	20:04
@preaction	getDescendantCount	20:04
+perlDreamer	or the number of photos in a zip archive	20:04
@preaction	"open the zip archive", "load it into a folder", "load individual photos". <- three "tasks"	20:04
+perlDreamer	progressBar should be converted to Moose, too	20:05
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6081ea3 / lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar.pm :	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: fix progressbar to work inside new admin console	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: This is a horrible hack and needs to be fixed to shore up the	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: ProgressBar's API before API freeze - http://bit.ly/9khH83	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r69bd44b / share/upgrades/7.9.10-8.0.0/admin_progress_bar.wgpkg : add new progressbar template - http://bit.ly/bs62RQ	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rcbb8c0e / lib/WebGUI/ProgressBar.pm : add docs and total() accessor - http://bit.ly/cV8m8v	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8bd28e1 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Copy.pm :	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: update Copy to work with ProgressBar and streaming	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: ProgressBar needs to handle streaming itself. When it does, all	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: AssetHelpers that use ProgressBar will need to remove their own	20:09
CIA-61	webgui: streaming handlers and just use ProgressBar's - http://bit.ly/cSb0AY	20:09
@preaction	ok, what the hell makes it choose between showing every commit and just showing the result of the push?	20:10
+perlDreamer	CIA is constipated	20:16
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* scrottie reads scroll...		20:45
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb8905ed / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/Cut.pm : cut AssetHelper now works (+7 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/9qX2Yx	20:55
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@scrottie	http://www.securityweek.com/hacker-uses-xss-and-google-streetview-data-determine-physical-location ... that was a fun talk, and Samy is a Perl guy. He was at YAPC too.	21:23
@preaction	ha, nice	21:26
+perlDreamer	lunch break	21:57
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@preaction	if we can Lock an asset, how does one Unlock one?	22:37
+perlDreamer	good question	22:38
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+perlDreamer	technically, you can't lock an Asset	22:39
+perlDreamer	an asset is locked when it's edited by someone outside of your current versiontag	22:39
@preaction	right, you just add a revision	22:39
@preaction	but if autocommit is turned on, i never join a version tag	22:39
+perlDreamer	then it would only show as locked while it's being edited by another user, for a very short period of time	22:39
+perlDreamer	until they hit save	22:39
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, you feeling a little schizophrenic today?	23:46
@scrottie	who me?	23:47
scrottie0	never!	23:47
+perlDreamer	classic case if even I've seen one	23:47
+perlDreamer	probably happened at DEFCON	23:47
+perlDreamer	it looks like a machine that gives a free haircut, but once the bowl is over your head...	23:48
@scrottie	if you've ever suspected that friend-of-a-friend is a coke head, go to DEFCON. you'll find out.	23:48
@scrottie	and haircuts were $15 >=)	23:49
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@scrottie	was getting cabin fever so I relocated to a Tempe coffee shop.	23:51
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r13c27bc / lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm :	23:52
CIA-61	webgui: Fix bad interaction with Test::Class:	23:52
CIA-61	webgui: "Operation "eq": no method found, left argument in overloaded package WebGUI::Error..." - http://bit.ly/9b6Lw2	23:52
@scrottie	they only had one style though: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sportsaction/4847526134/	23:56
@scrottie	oh, I spent some time with this baby: http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackfeathers/4856839203/	23:56
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@scrottie	http://www.flickr.com/photos/itstactical/4844180827/ # last one, I swear... $15 mohawks for EFF dispensed right in middle of the contest room	00:01
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* perlDreamer is off to the zoo, where there's wifi!		01:34
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1b0ec95 / (5 files in 2 dirs): New Content pane is working (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/bDvJRX	01:57
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knowmad	whoa, it's a small crowd tonite; anyone hanging around?	02:54
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@scrottie	boy this Test::Class suite takes a long time to run...	05:08
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * re1ebb5d / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm : Fix typo in property initialization to satisfy Test::Class test for t_11_getEditForm. - http://bit.ly/afrjvV	05:20
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@scrottie	how was the zoo?	05:23
+perlDreamer	I'm still here! The zoo concert area has wifi	05:29
@scrottie	sounds like one happenin' place	05:30
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@scrottie	way better than Vegas. Vegas only has tigers and music. no WiFi.	05:32
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+perlmonkey2	Get Froyo and you don't need public wifi anymore.	05:40
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+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, isn't Froyo frozen yogurt?	05:41
+perlmonkey2	I mean the Froyo made from bits.	05:41
+perlmonkey2	Android 2.2	05:42
+perlmonkey2	I take my wifi hotspot/tether with me every where :P	05:42
+perlDreamer	Did I mention that the zoo also sells beer, wine, and elephant ears?	05:58
+perlDreamer	of course, 2 of those are not very conducive to good programming, so I didn't buy any wine or elephant ears	06:08
+perlDreamer	and my wife is in nursing school, so I didn't buy any beer either	06:08
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+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: what does nursing school have to do with beer?	06:10
+perlDreamer	it's really expensive	06:10
+perlDreamer	beer consumption has dropped 100% since she started	06:11
+perlDreamer	which means I haven't bought any beer this year yet	06:11
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+perlmonkey2	I am dumbfounded	06:12
+perlDreamer	I thought you were Oklahoman	06:12
+perlmonkey2	What is life without beer. Empty and desolate.	06:12
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+perlDreamer	less filling?	06:12
+perlmonkey2	Without beer, there is no hope, little chance at love. We can not be surprised, nor feel joy.	06:13
+perlDreamer	you're a little over the top there, dude	06:14
+perlDreamer	how's the great windmill project of 2009 progressing?	06:14
+perlmonkey2	Yeah, I don't think that played as funny over IRC as it was in my head.	06:15
+perlDreamer	oh no, it was great, but it made you sound lonely and desperate	06:16
+perlmonkey2	hah, windmills. The more I researched the less appealing it was. I would need a huge tower to get any real power around my house as I have maybe 40 50' trees on my place.	06:16
+perlDreamer	and THAT will definitely affect your chances of love	06:16
+perlmonkey2	hah	06:16
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+perlDreamer	likely because your wife is likely to whack you with a spare arc-welder	06:17
+perlmonkey2	I did end up getting a welder. And its turned out to be way handier than I ever would have thought.	06:18
+perlDreamer	that's cool	06:18
+perlmonkey2	Did you know I started raising livestock? Goats so far. But hope to mix in cattle someday.	06:18
+perlDreamer	I didn't know that.	06:18
+perlDreamer	Are they tasty? Do they go crunch?	06:18
+perlmonkey2	I can't bring myself to eat one.	06:19
+perlmonkey2	They have personalities and are pretty smart.	06:19
+perlDreamer	yeah, I've tried some goat curry at a local indian restaurant. It's not as good as sheep.	06:20
+perlmonkey2	Which is why I want to move to cattle.	06:20
+perlDreamer	but sheep are dumb, too	06:20
+perlDreamer	they program in Atari BASIC	06:20
+perlmonkey2	hah	06:20
+perlDreamer	I hear goats are into Ruby, or Squeak	06:20
@scrottie	hey!	06:20
+perlDreamer	there's one now...	06:20
@scrottie	next you'll be making remarks about my odor.	06:21
+perlDreamer	scrottie, Arizona is downwind from Oregon, I'd never know	06:21
+perlmonkey2	oh man, past my bed time. Silly corporate job with their fixed working hours and wanting me in an actual office. Hasta la bananna.	06:22
+perlDreamer	later, dude	06:22
+perlDreamer	scrottie, no offense intended, personally to you, goats, or ruby and squeak hackers	06:22
+perlDreamer	but sheep are dumb!	06:22
@scrottie	that was in response to AtariBASIC, actually.	06:23
@scrottie	which is way better than Sinclair BASIC, at least, even though Rev.B had a nasty bug: http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue61/323_1_INSIGHT_Atari.php	06:23
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@scrottie	wait, that's not even the one I was thinking of.	06:24
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+perlDreamer	preaction, in addition to .rss for dispatch, I also want .login, and .switchAdminOn	06:36
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+perlDreamer	.edit would be nice, too	06:37
+perlDreamer	and, of course, to complement .rss, we need .rdf and .atom	06:37
+perlDreamer	Calendar needs .ical	06:37
+perlDreamer	ooh, and think about .wgkpg!	06:38
+perlDreamer	export any asset as a package, right as a URL	06:38
+perlDreamer	time to pack up and go home, folks	06:43
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@scrottie	%&*@.	07:10
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r6df4703 / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/RssFeed.pm : Fix typo in property initialization to satisfy Test::Class test for t_11_getEditForm. - http://bit.ly/d4Eeus	07:40
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@scrottie	hrm. WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation specifies a templateId of default => 'PBtmpl0000000000000048', but no such template or asset record exists. I'm using the newest create SQL from master to setup WebGUI8.	10:41
@scrottie	is this a bug? who knows where that template went or what should be used in its place?	10:42
@scrottie	the call to www_editSave is now blowing up for two different reasons, this being one of them, the other being something perhaps related to database state where it tries to create duplicate assetData (and other table) records for an assetId.state	10:44
@scrottie	the whole thing is quickly reaching a point where MySQL decides its in middle of a transaction and refuses to start another one. I don't yet know what that's about.	10:45
+bartjol	oh	10:56
+bartjol	let me have a loog whether it is in my db	10:56
+bartjol	nope	11:01
+bartjol	I think this is a bug	11:02
+bartjol	scrottie	11:03
@scrottie	preaction and/or perlDreamer will know what to do! All I have to do is stay alive until morning.	11:03
@scrottie	heya bartjol	11:03
+bartjol	it is in the upgrade scripts	11:03
@scrottie	oh, hmm. let's see.	11:03
+bartjol	upgrades/upgrade_7.7.15-7.7.16.pl: [ qw/PBnav00000000000bullet PBtmpl0000 000000000048/ ] ##Bulleted List <- Vertical Menu	11:03
+bartjol	and some others	11:03
+bartjol	isn't that template working group stuff? anyway, I think it should be replace by the PBnav00000000000bullet assetId	11:05
+bartjol	which does exist in my db	11:05
@scrottie	I'm naively guessing that it's still a bug that the template isn't in the create.sql in master.	11:06
+bartjol	well	11:06
@scrottie	or a bug that it isn't PBnav00000000000bullet =)	11:06
+bartjol	well, one of both	11:07
+bartjol	but, I seem to remember that the veritcalmenu template was replaced	11:07
@scrottie	I suppose I should go actually look at these, but right now, they're just names... symbols... to me.	11:08
+bartjol	nop, it is in Navigation.pm	11:09
+bartjol	the template should have been (and has been) purged	11:09
@scrottie	"it is in Navigation.pm"... pardon, what is in there?	11:12
* scrottie looks in the git log		11:12
+bartjol	oh, I suppose the default template	11:13
+bartjol	:/data/WebGUI/docs$ grep -R PBtmpl0000000000000048 ../lib/WebGUI	11:13
+bartjol	../lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm: defaultValue => 'PBtmpl0000000000000048'	11:13
+bartjol	ok, since you should be sleeping, I'll get it in the right order	11:13
@scrottie	heh	11:14
+bartjol	the default template in navigation.pm is PBtmpl0000000000000048	11:14
+bartjol	this does not exist	11:14
@scrottie	I'm rather fond of this time of night =)	11:14
+bartjol	becaude it has been removeed in 7.7.16	11:14
@scrottie	good detective work.	11:14
@scrottie	"in there" = in the upgrade script. makes sense now.	11:15
+bartjol	so, the bug is not that the template does not exist, but that there is a reference to the template	11:15
@scrottie	I wouldn't have thought to check out old versions to snoop through upgrade scripts.	11:15
@scrottie	yup.	11:15
+bartjol	I only checked the upgrade scripts	11:15
@scrottie	it looks like that affects master as well as WebGUI8. new tests for WebGUI triggered that problem.	11:16
+bartjol	well, this bug has been there too long	11:16
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+bartjol	scrottie if you want to blame people: http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/10665 :P	11:18
@scrottie	simple mistakes aren't worthy of blame. I reserve blame for particularly short-sighted, hastily written, ugly-on-ugly code.	11:19
+bartjol	oh, like the setlanguage stuff	11:20
+bartjol	well, but this is one more bug resolved, before it got reported	11:21
@scrottie	you've got my permission to patch it, or I'm happy to do so. either way. you figured it out.	11:22
+bartjol	my git repo is a bit scrwed up	11:22
+bartjol	so please, go ahead	11:23
@scrottie	heh, okay. I like to keep three or four repos laying around =)	11:23
+bartjol	anything else?	11:25
@scrottie	I probably should wrap it pretty quick here but I've got a long way to go before all of these tests are passing. plus it takes a long time to run them. I wouldn't wait around if I were you.	11:26
+bartjol	don't forget to put it in the chagelog	11:26
@scrottie	righto.	11:26
+bartjol	well, I just started working, it is 10.30 am	11:27
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters master * rb70ad2e / (2 files in 2 dirs): WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048 - http://bit.ly/9vpkZZ	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7a56c72 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm :	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048	11:55
CIA-61	webgui: Fixes #11765 - http://bit.ly/aFSoud	11:55
@scrottie	hrmmrm.	11:57
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters master * r6a09708 / (2 files in 2 dirs):	12:01
CIA-61	webgui: WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Navigation.pm was still using obsolete template PBtmpl0000000000000048.	12:01
CIA-61	webgui: Fixes #11765. - http://bit.ly/9A5E2Q	12:01
+bartjol	hrmmrm?	12:11
@scrottie	redo. forgot the "fixes #" bit.	12:12
+bartjol	ah	12:14
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scrottie0	yup. think I'm going to keep this $1/day prepaid wireless data service.	12:44
* scrottie0 sighs		12:44
scrottie0	alright, good night / good day.	12:47
+bartjol	goodnight	13:03
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:17
+MrHairgrease	Greasings!	16:17
+MrHairgrease	preaction, are you there?	16:21
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+MrHairgrease	oh colin	16:22
+MrHairgrease	just the guy I'm looking for	16:22
+MrHairgrease	=)	16:22
+MrHairgrease	Do you have time?	16:22
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+perlDreamer	I have a little time, what's up sir?	17:22
+MrHairgrease	oh, I found a performance hog	17:29
+MrHairgrease	problem is in getContentLastModified in Folder	17:29
+MrHairgrease	that is calling the same method on it's children	17:29
+perlDreamer	it has to do that, so that it can tell any containers of the Folder itself	17:30
+perlDreamer	Layouts work the same way	17:30
+MrHairgrease	which becomes a problem if those children children are folders as well	17:30
+MrHairgrease	and their childrens	17:30
+MrHairgrease	etc	17:30
+MrHairgrease	it only needs to recurse one level deep	17:30
+MrHairgrease	but goes al the way down	17:30
+MrHairgrease	compare these numbers	17:30
+MrHairgrease	before:	17:30
+MrHairgrease	Profile of run_fotoalbum.pl for 64.8s, executing 11022136 statements and 2622879 subroutine calls in 412 source files and 106 string evals.	17:31
+MrHairgrease	After:	17:31
+MrHairgrease	Profile of run_fotoalbum.pl for 4.64s, executing 587621 statements and 149525 subroutine calls in 412 source files and 106 string evals.	17:31
+MrHairgrease	brb phone	17:31
+perlDreamer	me, too	17:31
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+MrHairgrease	ok back	17:43
+MrHairgrease	anyway	17:43
+perlDreamer	still on phone	17:43
+perlDreamer	what's the diff between before/after	17:44
+MrHairgrease	the after case was after chcanging the method in folder as follows	17:44
+MrHairgrease	http://webgui.pastebin.com/2wbWVFYn	17:44
+MrHairgrease	very very crude	17:44
+MrHairgrease	but at least a proof of oncept	17:45
+MrHairgrease	btw. most time in the after case is consumed by JSON, for reading the config fiel etc.	17:45
+MrHairgrease	I'm running this from an utility script	17:45
+MrHairgrease	and the folder on which I run it contains many subfolders and ~ 12k image assets below it	17:46
+MrHairgrease	not directly of course	17:46
+perlDreamer	yeah, in a hierarchy	17:46
ckotil	i might be onto a bug where search asset isn't indexing the sql report asset	17:47
+MrHairgrease	anyway. This also affects page layouts with a lot of descendants.	17:47
+perlDreamer	MrHairgrease, I think a better fix would be to check to see if the child asset is a container	17:48
+perlDreamer	and if it's a container, it should ony check the revisionDate	17:48
+perlDreamer	instead of getContentLastModified	17:48
+MrHairgrease	seems reasionable	17:48
+MrHairgrease	except	17:48
+MrHairgrease	that Layout::getContentLastModified calls super for finding mtime	17:48
+MrHairgrease	which returns lastModified	17:48
+MrHairgrease	which is (I guess) different from revisionDate	17:49
+MrHairgrease	right?	17:49
+MrHairgrease	I agree that the stow 'solution' is real bad	17:49
+perlDreamer	could be, yes. In any case, checking a container shouldn't make it recurse, which ever date is called	17:49
+MrHairgrease	but its only purpose was to see whether that was the performance issue	17:50
+perlDreamer	yeah, and it definitely helped you find it!	17:50
+MrHairgrease	no	17:50
+MrHairgrease	that was Devel::NYTProf	17:50
+MrHairgrease	getLineage being called 40000+ times smelled somewhat funny =)	17:51
ckotil	demo webgui site is able to search sql report asset. dunno why my site doesnt seem to do the same.	17:51
+MrHairgrease	I'll fix this issue either tomorrow or somewhere next week	17:51
+bartjol	ckotil: so except for your site, have you seen it somewhere else?	17:52
ckotil	no	17:52
+bartjol	anything in logs about it?	17:52
ckotil	not that ive seen	17:53
+bartjol	mmm, getting harder to find then	17:55
ckotil	bartjol: would errors indexing this asset appear in webgui.log?	17:56
+bartjol	strange, it is not in my selectlist of asset types to search in the search asset	17:57
+bartjol	well, it can be that they can't get instantiated	17:57
ckotil	yeah, for my search asset, i dont have anythinkg checked	17:57
+bartjol	that would give an error	17:57
ckotil	but that's how it is on the demo site too	17:57
+bartjol	and it is inder the search root?	17:58
+bartjol	just for certainty	17:58
ckotil	yes	17:58
ckotil	well actually	17:58
ckotil	no	17:59
ckotil	!! that was the issue. damn	17:59
ckotil	sorry about that	17:59
ckotil	iirc, i didnt set it to root bc i dindt want templates to be returned in search. but that might have been me being overly paranoid about it	17:59
+perlDreamer	no, you really don't want users seeing hits on Templates	18:00
+bartjol	ah	18:00
+perlDreamer	and internal snippets and navs ans stuff	18:00
+bartjol	not necessary indeed	18:00
+bartjol	this is the good kind of paranoia	18:00
+bartjol	so, bug fixed? :)	18:01
ckotil	the reason my sql report asset wasnt included in the search is because it had a different base URL	18:01
+perlDreamer	base URL won't matter, only position in the hierarchy	18:01
+bartjol	lineage++	18:01
ckotil	ok lemme verify that this asset is actually in the correct lineage	18:02
ckotil	ahh	18:02
ckotil	tis not.	18:02
* ckotil smacks his forehead		18:02
+bartjol	np	18:02
ckotil	our documentation 'guru' has been on my back for months about the searching. it's because all of his content is outside of the search assets scope.	18:03
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ckotil	and i never caught it. excellent.	18:03
ckotil	thanks guys	18:03
+bartjol	well, a fresh look helps	18:03
ckotil	definately	18:04
+perlDreamer	bartjol++	18:05
+bartjol	yeah, scrottie had a long night and helped him too this morning	18:07
+bartjol	something with references to old templateId's	18:08
+bartjol	oh, perlDreamerdid we have an appointment for the hackathon, I don't remember. Something tells me you were going to help me with something	18:09
+perlDreamer	I saw that commit this morning	18:09
+perlDreamer	at first, it confused me a little because it wasn't backported to 7.8	18:09
+perlDreamer	but then i remembered that there's no more 7.8 after last tuesday	18:10
+perlDreamer	7.9 will be stable on Tuesday	18:10
+bartjol	yeah, he found out that it was wrong	18:10
+bartjol	ow	18:10
+perlDreamer	ow?	18:10
+bartjol	that might be a problem with shop sites	18:10
+perlDreamer	how come?	18:10
+bartjol	mainly paydrivers	18:11
+bartjol	custom	18:11
+perlDreamer	yes, they'll need to be upgraded	18:11
+bartjol	and template	18:11
+bartjol	joeri did the ideal driver	18:11
+perlDreamer	really? what is it?	18:11
+bartjol	the template? well, the build is just a bit different	18:12
+bartjol	build is a strange word in this context	18:12
+perlDreamer	I mean, what's the ideal paydriver?	18:12
+bartjol	the looping through the item is different, so we have to redo that	18:12
+bartjol	oh	18:12
+bartjol	http://www.ideal.nl/?lang=eng-GB	18:13
+perlDreamer	oh, i see. not "ideal" as in perfect, ideal as in company name	18:13
+bartjol	I think it is native dutch	18:13
+bartjol	off course programs the ideal paydriver	18:13
+bartjol	insert joeri into last comment	18:14
+bartjol	that's how they program at oqapi, bugfree	18:14
+perlDreamer	uh huh, guaranteed "bugfree"	18:15
+bartjol	they call it feature-rich	18:15
+perlDreamer	I know the shop changes are painful, but hopefully the benefit of having a 2-page checkout will outweigh that	18:18
+perlDreamer	the paydriver changes are pretty trivial	18:19
+perlDreamer	but the template changes are not	18:19
+bartjol	I agree that the cheking out has improved	18:20
+bartjol	it might be a threshold for some sites	18:21
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scrottie0	"at first, it confused me a little because it wasn't backported to 7.8" ... I always forget that one.	19:59
scrottie0	if I had learned, I would never have stopped.	20:01
+perlDreamer	there's no more 7.8, scrottie	20:01
+perlDreamer	after next week, you need to remember to backpot to 7.9 :)	20:01
scrottie0	I need to write a script...	20:14
+perlDreamer	start with /data/WebGUI/sbin/_utility.skeleton	20:14
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+perlDreamer	preaction, dispatch is done. I can merge in as soon as you review	20:42
+perlDreamer	I'm going to write some .rss, .atom, .rdf dispatch plugin for RSS feeds next	20:43
+perlDreamer	well, okay	20:58
+perlDreamer	I'm going to debug the Content/Asset.pm plugin first, THEN I'm going to write the RSS dispatch code.	20:59
+perlDreamer	woot! That works, too	21:00
+perlDreamer	back to the crusade to purge C::IO from WebGUI 8	21:01
@scrottie	which ::IO?	21:07
+perlDreamer	Class::InsideOut	21:07
@scrottie	ahh. Ahhh.	21:07
+perlDreamer	how is the getEditForm work coming, scrottie?	21:10
@scrottie	I've made fantastic progress on making the test suite take forever to run.	21:11
* scrottie looks at the latest run's output		21:12
+perlDreamer	forever as in long time, or forever as in "infinite loop"?	21:12
@scrottie	oh yeah, that's right.	21:12
@scrottie	merely a long time. I haven't reached infinite loop level slowness yet.	21:12
@scrottie	oh yeah. that's right... in getAnchoredAsset, my $asset = $parents[-1]->addChild({ className => $test->class, ... }); winds up creating the same assetId that, a few lines later in the test, $asset->www_editSave; also tries to create.	21:13
@scrottie	boom, primary key violating, things blow up.	21:13
@scrottie	violation.	21:13
@scrottie	that's where I last left off.	21:14
+perlDreamer	www_editSave should either be called an an asset with assetId=new, or should add a new revision	21:15
@scrottie	the few misc bug fixes I pushed up were hard won. in this situation, it's not obvious whether the test is at fault or the code and it's been a bit of both.	21:15
@scrottie	makes sense.	21:15
@scrottie	let's see. t_11_getEditForm was trying to compare two radically different datastructures. I have the test script doing some unsightly munging to get them both into similar shapes before comparing them, including filtering out three fields that just don't match: Keywords, Class Name and Asset ID.	21:22
@scrottie	comparing form elements to properties, I'd get: Missing: 25 references\nExtra: 37 references in diagnostics from Test::Deep. vice versa: Missing: 40 references\nExtra: 28 references.	21:24
@scrottie	grepping out only the ones that have a 'label' field helped a lot.	21:24
@scrottie	this feels hackish to the point of being rigged.	21:25
@scrottie	I'm tempted to test against the PSGI interface using Web::Scraper.	21:25
@scrottie	when fields were added/removed from various forms, the various tests would have to be updated to match... which feels more official but less cool than mining the fields out of the class through property inspection.	21:26
@scrottie	oofda. I need another latte. either that or a beer. though tequila would do in a pinch.	21:26
@scrottie	it's hard to justify taking the high road on development when you're already slow.	21:27
@scrottie	anyway, I'll start to be chattier about this since I think I have myself basically oriented in here.	21:31
@scrottie	maybe I'll stick my Test::Class::Asset into a gist and push that up for comment.	21:37
@scrottie	right now, it looks like someone put matt's script archive into the microwave and it blew up.	21:37
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::Shortcut... shortcutToAssetId... what sets this? I might be missing something, but in 7 and 8, I don't see any code that actually ever sets the thing.	01:09
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/510473 ... the database suggests that that field isn't getting set also.	01:09
@scrottie	contrary to my normal operating mode, I didn't go off on a bender to figure out what the heck this shortcut stuff and why a simple www_view needs to call it on a bunch of assets...	01:10
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r679c467 / lib/WebGUI/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.pm : Fix a double $i18n syntax warning. - http://bit.ly/d7FoxZ	01:16
* scrottie goes off on a bender to figure what the heck shortcuts are supposed to do		01:20
@scrottie	ah. WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm creates shortcuts and it passes a value in for that field. hmm.	01:24
@scrottie	bah. tracing fiften stack frames deep only to figure out that the thing is accessible bad data left earlier.	01:30
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+perlDreamer	scrottie	01:34
+perlDreamer	Shortcut has 3 functions	01:34
+perlDreamer	#1 is the most prevalent	01:34
+perlDreamer	it's like a symbolic link to an asset	01:34
+perlDreamer	so that you can display stuff in multiple places, but only maintain it in 1 place	01:34
* scrottie nods		01:35
+perlDreamer	It only ever shortcuts the view method, though	01:35
+perlDreamer	that is important to remember	01:35
+perlDreamer	in Function #1, the shortcut can override properties in the original asset	01:35
+perlDreamer	title, templates, privileges, whatever	01:36
+perlDreamer	so, you could build a CS on one page	01:36
+perlDreamer	and shortcut it to another page with a different number of displayed threads, for example	01:36
@scrottie	hrm.	01:36
+perlDreamer	in function #2, it's part of the Dashboard	01:37
+perlDreamer	in that context, it's called a dashlet	01:37
+perlDreamer	in function #3, and this is so rare I've never heard of it being used ever	01:37
+perlDreamer	it will function like the RandomAssetProxy macro, and pick an asset to shortcut based on asset metadata	01:37
+perlDreamer	does that help?	01:38
@scrottie	yes, thank you...	01:39
@scrottie	hrm. I should try pulling assets up in a web browser more when I'm investigating them just to get some context for what's going on.	01:42
+perlDreamer	it can help for some assets	01:42
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbe42b71 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Migrate CartItem from Class::InsideOut to Moose. - http://bit.ly/9sVUrX	02:25
@scrottie	afk a few...	02:43
+perlDreamer	dinner-time!	03:10
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+perlDreamer	back later	03:53
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+perlmonkey2	Wonder if I could get my fortune 500 company who's sites are built around websphere could be convinced to move to WebGUI.	05:34
+perlmonkey2	To do this I will require three unicorns, a leprechaun, and several pounds of pixie dust.	05:35
@scrottie	I have never heard of sales doing a dog and pony show with unicrons and leprechauns. I bet it would work though.	05:37
@scrottie	sales is well known for using large amounts of pixie dust though.	05:37
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SDuensin	Howdy	16:19
+MrHairgrease	Greesings!	16:19
+MrHairgrease	Greasings, even	16:19
* bartjol slips		16:19
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SynQ	under the shower	16:27
+MrHairgrease	hrm, batjol slips while synq is greasing in the shower?	16:28
SynQ	greasing the hair of someone?	16:32
* MrHairgrease usually degreases while showering		16:32
+bartjol	oh, is there a way to block my emails from becoming posts in the forum? I do see the option to get mails and place them as post in the forum, but no blacklist	16:44
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+MrHairgrease	bartjol: maybe you can remove the users tied to the email addresses you want to block from the post group?	16:50
+bartjol	well, it is more for my out of office automated mail	16:51
+MrHairgrease	hmm	16:51
+bartjol	that gets posted, so best is to sign off for the week for the maillists	16:51
+MrHairgrease	I don't think you can do that out of the bvox	16:51
+bartjol	but that is a bit of a far fetch	16:51
+MrHairgrease	The mail fetch thingy should filter these messages I guess.	16:52
+bartjol	yeah, because normaly I don't see very much spam	16:52
+MrHairgrease	Anyway, your out-of-office message is only being sent once to the list so that won't be a biggie, I'd say	16:53
+MrHairgrease	However, if you want to make WebGUI::Mail::Get smarter, you should look into using Mail::DeliveryStatus::BounceParser	16:53
+MrHairgrease	It also tries to detect out of office mail.	16:54
+MrHairgrease	I've only used it to detect bounced messages, though.	16:54
+MrHairgrease	Which works fine.	16:54
+bartjol	aha, well, 1 hour is not enough to fix that prolly	16:55
+MrHairgrease	nope	16:55
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ckotil	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/find-most-recent-with-assetindex tells us that as of webgui 7.5 all of the data that assetIndex contains. is it possible to search for just a certain piece of data? such as username, creation date, or keywords, meanwhile excluding everything else?	17:40
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ckotil	i wanna search by creationDate, and not include assets that happen to contain that date in say the title, synopsis, keywords, or any other piece of data that is also in the assetIndex	17:42
ckotil	as an example.	17:42
+bartjol	that depends on what you select	17:43
ckotil	select where? in teh search asset?	17:43
+bartjol	ow wait	17:43
ckotil	i just was just referrencing that wiki article bc it contains the most up2date list of data that is contained within assetIndex	17:44
+bartjol	I was looking at the report	17:44
ckotil	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/webgui-search-system is lacking	17:44
+bartjol	well, at the moment you can't	17:47
ckotil	ok	17:47
+bartjol	unless you edit/replace search	17:47
ckotil	right	17:47
+bartjol	especially the resultset tmpl_vars can be enhanced	17:47
+bartjol	but that is only the set	17:48
+bartjol	not the search	17:48
+bartjol	you'll have to work it out with a sqlreport	17:48
ckotil	so creationDate is in the resultSet. how do you search for a creationDate? mm/dd/yyyy doesnt seem to work	17:48
+bartjol	at the moment it isn't	17:48
ckotil	ah, so you could create a sqlreport to search by whatever; creationDate for example.	17:49
+bartjol	yes	17:49
ckotil	ok	17:49
+bartjol	select * from assetIndex where creationDate="myEpoch";	17:50
+bartjol	it is stored as epoch	17:50
ckotil	yeah. i hope mysql can do conversion from mm/dd/yyyy to epoch	17:50
ckotil	does sqlreport do pre macro processing?	17:50
+bartjol	yeah, but I don't know the syntax by heart	17:51
ckotil	could have a macro do the conversion	17:51
ckotil	sub getResultSet {	17:51
+MrHairgrease	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/date-and-time-functions.html	17:51
ckotil	does contain assetIndex.creationDate	17:51
+bartjol	the processing is optional	17:51
ckotil	cool	17:51
+bartjol	but instead of executing macro's you better read the doc MrHairgrease posted	17:52
ckotil	yeah, more efficient	17:52
+bartjol	yeah, but I think you'll manage, I have to go	17:52
ckotil	thanks for the tips	17:53
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+MrHairgrease	use unix_timestamp() and from_unixtime()	17:53
ckotil	right	17:53
+MrHairgrease	eg:	17:54
+MrHairgrease	select * from asset where creationDate = unix_timestamp( 'yyyy-mm-dd 00:00:00' );	17:55
+MrHairgrease	Note that that doesn't work cxorrectly	17:55
+MrHairgrease	unless you asset was created at exactyly 00:00:00	17:55
+MrHairgrease	what exactly are you looking for?	17:57
ckotil	just digging into the depths of the search asset. I really want to learn how to refine my searches. I have lots of cruft getting returned in my searches	17:57
+MrHairgrease	hmm, yeah it's not perfect.	17:58
ckotil	i was just looking into leveraging stop words	17:58
+MrHairgrease	dunno too much about the search asset though	17:58
+MrHairgrease	I almost never use it.	17:58
ckotil	but if i could add knobs to say, search by document/file type , i.e. .doc .pdf, or search just by username, or just by creation date. i think that could really help	17:58
ckotil	ive turned webgui into a decent documentation system. the nav asset allowed us to create a nice Table of Contents for this doc system	17:59
+MrHairgrease	well, you can limit the asset class	17:59
+MrHairgrease	so if your search for files	17:59
+MrHairgrease	limit the assets to WG::A::File(::Image)	17:59
+MrHairgrease	I'm not sure	18:00
+MrHairgrease	but I think the filenames of the actual file that are uploaded are also indexed	18:00
ckotil	yeah, ive been messing with limiting assets.	18:00
+MrHairgrease	So if you add pdf to your search, it should find mostly pdf's	18:00
ckotil	yeah, and it does. but again, it returns a lot of crap	18:01
ckotil	one thing ive done with our webgui is we have 20 something sites under 1 global site. which allows us to search for documents under each of the 20 sites by navigating to the lower site. but you can also perform a global search from anywhere. which is kind of neat	18:01
ckotil	all in a single db. which allow us to search everything if the user so chooses.	18:02
+MrHairgrease	yeah, I think there's little you can do about the crap...	18:02
+MrHairgrease	not until webgui switches to a better serach engine that is	18:02
ckotil	ive got my fingers crossed that it will happen in WG8	18:02
ckotil	i saw the roadmap, and it's a litlte ways down the list. but i can still dream	18:02
+MrHairgrease	I think it's on the road map	18:03
+MrHairgrease	yeah	18:03
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ckotil	any ideas for differentiating between '.doc' and 'doc' short for documentation , when performing a search?	18:24
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+perlmonkey2	is 8 far enough along to deg apps against ot?	19:05
+perlDreamer	on dnot' tkinh os	19:05
+perlmonkey2	r u mocking my phone irc skillz?	19:06
+perlDreamer	totally	19:06
+perlDreamer	8 is not that ready yet	19:06
+perlDreamer	it's not even beta	19:06
+perlDreamer	which means you need to help us get it ready!	19:07
+perlmonkey2	lookes like all the tickets left r not for core features.	19:07
+perlDreamer	believe it or not, there aren't that many features set for 8	19:10
+perlDreamer	8 is a reorg and cleanup for the most part	19:10
+perlDreamer	so there's lots and lots of work to do	19:10
* perlDreamer gets called to breakfast		19:10
+perlDreamer	yum choco-cinnamon pancakes	19:27
+perlDreamer	this is too funny:http://blastr.com/2010/08/image-of-the-day-ufo-sigh.php	19:30
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+perlDreamer	WebGUI::DateTime seems to be rather useless as a Moose type	21:04
+perlDreamer	because it kind of wants to get a session object	21:04
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perlmon90	why cant it just require a session in the constructor?	21:06
@preaction	it does	21:06
perlmon90	the why cant it be a moose obj?	21:07
@preaction	it can, but it's also a Type. so we can say has 'something' => ( isa => 'WebGUI::DateTime' )	21:07
perlmon90	looks good to me	21:08
perlmon90	hah didnt know how good i had it at pb	21:10
+perlDreamer	yes, but via type coercion you can't give it a session object	21:10
+perlDreamer	and with a session object, there are some things it won't do?	21:10
perlmon90	get to use modern perl libs and get paid to do it.	21:10
@preaction	well, it did take a lot of effort to get to this point, perlmon90	21:11
+perlDreamer	uh, without a session object, there are some things it won't do	21:11
perlmon90	we understood :P	21:11
@preaction	by effort i mean yelling at stubborn people who wouldn't listen	21:12
perlmon90	yeah you fought the long hard fight and won	21:13
@preaction	so far	21:13
perlmon90	while you're online, you know my skillz (minus some atrophy from java python dev) any tickets u think i could take?	21:15
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+perlDreamer	perlmon90, how much time/effort do you have?	21:18
+perlDreamer	we've got raw gruntwork, like removing duplicate i18n data	21:19
@preaction	the icon stuff would be nice, WebGUI::Session::Icon goes away, and all the famfamfam icons in www/extras/icon are used, but it's mostly gruntwork, muckraking, dirty cleanup jobs	21:20
+perlDreamer	preaction: do you have an idea about the "new improved API" for that?	21:20
@preaction	yes, none.	21:20
@preaction	the standard controls are completely changing, and if you need an edit button yourself for some purpose you can make your own	21:21
+perlDreamer	session->icon->edit is used by 34 different packages in WebGUI	21:23
+perlDreamer	seems like we should provide a handy way to do that	21:23
@preaction	perhaps an ^Icon macro instead?	21:23
+perlDreamer	icon parameters have embedded quotes and commas	21:26
+perlDreamer	how about we just provide a sane, small API for it?	21:26
+perlDreamer	Session->icon->_whatever should just be a small wrapper around 1 internal method for making the icon	21:27
@preaction	so <a href="<tmpl_var url>">^Icon("edit");</a> <- not good?	21:27
+perlDreamer	instead of having almost the same code in ~10 different methods	21:27
+perlDreamer	not strong enough to handle onclick, hover, etc	21:27
* perlDreamer is lazy		21:28
@preaction	<a href="<tmpl_var url>" onmouseover="whatever i want">^Icon("edit");</a>	21:28
+perlDreamer	I don't want to replace session->icon->edit in 34 files with templates	21:28
+perlDreamer	if every screen was templated, it wouldn't bad, but few of the Admin screens where those edit and other icon buttons are used are templated	21:29
+perlDreamer	it's all string-work	21:29
+perlDreamer	$output .= $session->icon->edit($session, $url, $this, $that);	21:30
perlmon90	perlDreamer thats the probelm, all the tickets look like real wprk amd not like fun	21:30
@preaction	all the Admin screens are changing though	21:30
+perlDreamer	okay	21:31
+perlDreamer	sidebar: have you reviewed the dispatch branch in my repo?	21:32
@preaction	not yet, is it ready for review?	21:32
+perlDreamer	oh yeah. I tested it out and it's lovely	21:33
+perlDreamer	I even wrote the .rss/.rdf/.atom dispatch	21:33
+perlDreamer	and then I almost got in trouble	21:33
@preaction	perlmon90: there's some fun stuff to do with that dispatch stuff maybe? ".rss" urls can be handled directly by the RssFeed aspect. "www_keyword" in the wiki could be mapped to "Keyword:..." urls	21:33
+perlDreamer	because I want to add .login, .adminOn and .edit	21:33
perlmon90	ok after work ill check it out.	21:34
+perlDreamer	oh, and Calendars should do .ical	21:35
+perlDreamer	and Galleries need to manually do .rss, maybe albums too	21:35
+perlDreamer	and I think .wgpkg should export the current package	21:35
+perlDreamer	uh, current as a package	21:35
+perlDreamer	except that we actually make .wgpkg files, so that might now work real well	21:36
@preaction	that wgpkg thing might require special permissions, but it's certainly worth looking into	21:36
+perlDreamer	how about the iffy stuff like login, edit and admin?	21:36
@preaction	hm?	21:37
+perlDreamer	.login should do the same as ?op=auth;method=init	21:38
+perlDreamer	.adminOn should do ?op=switchOnAdmin	21:38
+perlDreamer	and likewise for off	21:38
+perlDreamer	and .edit should do ?func=edit	21:38
+perlDreamer	but they're much easier to remember	21:38
+perlDreamer	and not likely to collide with existing URLs	21:38
perlmon90	these are default inherited aspects?	21:39
@preaction	not for now. in the future i suspect they'll be /edit and other stuff. not sure how i want /login and /admin to work (i don't like that i can't www.example.com/login	21:39
+perlDreamer	the problem with that is now you're occupying the URL space	21:40
+perlDreamer	/home/edit could be a real asset	21:40
+perlDreamer	that's why I think URL extensions are safer	21:40
+perlDreamer	home.edit is still RESTful, and you're not likely to find it in the real world as a URL	21:41
@preaction	true	21:42
@preaction	and perhaps we'll just leave it to a case-by-case basis, not all www_* can be .* methods	21:42
@preaction	but adminOn/adminOff don't need it (new admin console doesn't get turned on, just visited)	21:42
+perlDreamer	yeah, I'm still stuck in 7-ville I think	21:42
@preaction	and login... that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:43
perlmon90	poetry	21:43
+perlDreamer	perlbot: wax	21:44
perlbot	perlDreamer: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [.WA.us] [.WI.us] [.ws] [.WY.us] [which] [ws]	21:44
+perlDreamer	perlbot: wax is <preaction> that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:44
perlbot	perlDreamer: Stored wax is <preaction> that's a whole nother ball of wax that needs to be burned and spread upon the ashes of the fallen that we may have soap	21:44
+perlDreamer	which www_* methods couldn't be .* extensions?	21:46
@preaction	well, viewThing should probably be it's own URL of some kind	21:47
@preaction	that sorta thing	21:47
@preaction	also, WebGUI::Keyword should transform into this: http://drupal.org/node/774892	21:47
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/storyManager/keyword/keywordToCheck	21:50
@preaction	it would fix our wiki taxonomy problems	21:50
+perlDreamer	?	21:50
@preaction	sorry?	21:50
+perlDreamer	WebGUI URls are always human readable, so I was thinking that instead of node/digits	21:51
@preaction	perlmon90: another possible fun task: I want more choices of Rich Editors. Perhaps a Markdown one that could be used in the wiki for those used to mediawiki	21:51
perlmon90	that could be cool	21:51
+perlDreamer	how about migrating from TinyMCE to YUI Editor?	21:52
@preaction	we want to migrate to a default YUI rich editor too, but it doesn't support tables. you could make it support tables using <divs>. somehow the tinymce supports tables inside content-editable iframes	21:52
@preaction	so however the tinymce does it, the yui rich editor could do it	21:53
perlmon90	that sounds like css fun	21:53
@preaction	CSS and JS. you'd have to parse out the special divs and create <table> from it	21:54
@preaction	plus you'd get huge cred in the YUI dev community for that one, even if they never accept it into core YUI	21:54
perlmon90	so every time it is rendered it must render be parsed then corrrected? slow btowsers will show this ugliness.	21:55
@preaction	tinymce does it though, how do they do it?	21:56
@preaction	and no, you'd change it to <table> before putting it back into the form to be processed by the back end	21:56
perlmon90	ill give it a pook tonight	21:56
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@preaction	ooh, WGFS might be fun: handling PROPFIND requests with the output that DAV clients expect, and handling PUT requests	22:10
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@preaction	the more i think about it, the more i believe that the little edit toolbars that we insert into pages should go away	00:09
@preaction	inside the 8 admin console, you have access to all those functions for the current asset in the Asset Helpers menu, and for all child assets on the Tree view	00:10
@preaction	Layouts will need to retain positioning, and I believe that having inline editing on the View tab would be a nice feature, but those toolbars aren't necessary anymore	00:10
@scrottie	I love the edit toolbars =(	00:31
@scrottie	even if you can work without them, they really drive home the idea that you can click on the page and edit it -- that the site is not just read/write text but read/write logic.	00:32
@scrottie	it's simply awesome.	00:32
@scrottie	perhaps pointless, but awesome.	00:33
@scrottie	that's the first thing I'd show someone if I were trying to sell them.	00:33
@preaction	it is easier than saying "Double-click on a piece of content and you can change it", which is what i had imagined the inline editor to be	00:34
@preaction	it's a very obvious "Click here to edit"	00:34
@preaction	and also prevents accidental edits, you have to click there and be in the edit form	00:35
@preaction	i'm trying to keep the getToolbar sub around, that's the thing. i just don't want to use it by default for the admin console, because i currently don't know if the user is in the admin console or not	00:37
@preaction	i could set a flag when they enter the admin console, but i can't tell when they leave unless they leave in a specific way (clicking a link that unsets the flag)	00:37
@preaction	in the 7.x series, admin mode is a toggle. in 8, it's a screen. we've discussed options like "add something to the end of asset URLs", but what's an asset url? or "put a placeholder in and fill it in later", but that either requires editing every asset's template or editing the behavior of getToolbar	00:38
@preaction	alternatively, i can ignore turning admin back off for now (which is the plan for the WUC) and find a way to make sure the user is in the admin mode, and if they're not switch it off automatically	00:40
@preaction	or, really, getToolbar only works when admin is on. so i could just edit it, no?	00:41
@preaction	and having that toolbar there does not preclude having inline-editable content	00:43
@preaction	anyway, to find out why the fuck editSave doesn't work anymore...	00:44
@scrottie	hrmmrm.	00:46
@preaction	got it. stupid www_add v. www_edit thing	00:47
@scrottie	one shot deal -- "show edit widgets on this screen" ?	00:47
@scrottie	oh, wait, you're working on that too?	00:47
@preaction	that's a possibility, but i was thinking more like amaya (the W3's HTML thing)	00:47
@preaction	yeah, for the moment	00:47
@scrottie	are you mucking around in these tests you pointed at me a couple days ago?	00:47
@preaction	no, i'm just getting some of the real code working to make sure the new content menu works correctly	00:48
@scrottie	alright. no problem, just keep me appraised if you are and I can push stuff more aggressively. though honestly you'd probably still just run circles around me.	00:49
@preaction	the www_add / www_editSave API needs to be redone, but we don't have time before the WUC and I need it to work. which i'm liking a lot	00:49
@preaction	so we will no matter what need those tests	00:49
@scrottie	yeah.	00:49
@preaction	www_add should instead of calling $newAsset->www_edit, get the $newAsset->getEditForm and send the result to the user. basically thus: www_editSave should not do both things: (1) save an asset (2) create a new asset (that should be www_addSave)	00:50
* scrottie nods		00:50
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7dc57ce / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : allow both className (new) and class (backcompat) (+9 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/97nsWi	01:01
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6d6e576 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : fix typo preventing Article from add/edit - http://bit.ly/bGjaCy	01:03
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+perlmonkey2	If I grab 8 from the repo, any chance I can get it up and running over a cell phone internet connection?	01:35
@preaction	the repo is a pretty large download	01:38
+perlmonkey2	can't remember, are you on github now/	01:38
+perlmonkey2	?	01:38
@preaction	yes	01:38
+perlmonkey2	Is 8 a branch of webgui?	01:39
@preaction	yes, it's the WebGUI8 branch	01:40
+perlmonkey2	oh wow, github has these nice tools so I can figure this stuff out for myself without putting static on #webgui :{	01:40
+perlmonkey2	:P	01:40
@preaction	oh, another possibly fun project: http://github.com/preaction/webgui/tree/diff make the t/Asset/revisionChanges.t and t/VersionTag/changes.t tests work	01:42
@preaction	(add String::Diff to WebGUI 7.x to show changes between revisions and all changes in version tags)	01:43
+perlmonkey2	I'm not sure that qualifies as fun :P	01:44
@preaction	hence possibly	01:45
@preaction	i'd find it fun, but that's mainly because i'll be doing janitorial work for the next 6 months	01:45
@preaction	oh, 5 months	01:45
+perlmonkey2	All on 8?	01:52
+perlmonkey2	Just cleaning it up?	01:52
@preaction	yeah, those tickets on http://webgui.org/8 have to be closed	01:53
@preaction	cleaning up not 8, but rather cleaning up 7-0 for 8	01:53
@preaction	evil constructs go away or at least better alternatives put in their place	01:53
+perlmonkey2	nice	01:54
+perlmonkey2	I'll try to get Plack up and running tonight and if so check out a ticket.	01:54
+perlmonkey2	perldreamer already pack it up for the day?	02:00
@preaction	probably. had some early support calls, so probably took off early	02:02
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+perlmonkey2	I didn't realize he supported end users. Cool.	02:04
@preaction	he's a contractor for us, handling the PB support boards Wed-Fri (I got Mon-Tues now)	02:05
+perlmonkey2	JT give you lots of time to work on 8? Or still working on 10 different things?	02:06
@preaction	still working on 10 different things, just 7 of them are WebGUI 8 things	02:07
+perlmonkey2	hah, nice	02:07
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CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra13fee0 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : add getRevisionDates method - http://bit.ly/cqdE3T	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rfd524c9 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm : add revisions to asset data in admin console - http://bit.ly/9Sw223	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0f9500b / (lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm lib/WebGUI/Session/Style.pm): fix my tyops - http://bit.ly/cqq5gt	02:42
CIA-61	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r455f850 / www/extras/admin/admin.js : history now works. JS needs locale month names - http://bit.ly/cxxHiJ	02:42
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::newById does (in part) return $class->new($session, $assetId, $revisionDate); ... $class happens to be WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation. a trigger in the property declaration templateId does a stack trace and tells me that field, templateId, just got zero'd out with that line of newById being the previous thing on the call stack.	02:49
@scrottie	the property declaration for templateId specifies a default value.	02:49
@scrottie	my Moose is weak. is it normal for a call to a constructor to zero out default values from properties? or am I reading this wrong?	02:50
@preaction	is it being set as "default" or as "defaultValue"?	02:51
@preaction	hm...	02:51
@scrottie	default.	02:51
@preaction	no, it shouldn't be getting cleared out	02:51
@preaction	what does the database have for that field?	02:52
@preaction	perhaps the database has that field empty, and the database is overriding the default (when it should instead be the default)	02:52
@scrottie	sometimes it has the expected default value, some times it's blank. I haven't found the pattern yet.	02:52
@scrottie	hrm. it's creating the asset from scratch.	02:53
@scrottie	or I thought it was.	02:53
@preaction	newById is getting it from the DB, only way to really create a new asset is to $parent->addChild	02:54
@scrottie	right.	02:55
@scrottie	hrm.	02:55
@preaction	but good luck on the heisenbug	02:57
* preaction calls it a week		02:57
@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::addChild calls WebGUI::Asset::addRevision calls WebGUI::Asset::newById calls WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation::new...	02:58
@preaction	wait, addRevision calls newById?	02:58
@scrottie	alright, take it easy. find a hammock in someone's backyard, preferably someone who also has beer in their fridge.	02:58
@preaction	that doesn't sound right, but i don't have the wherewithal to know why	02:58
@scrottie	I didn't put that together until I said aloud that it was an asset being newly created.	02:59
@scrottie	cool. I'll continue to play with it.	02:59
@preaction	Haarg or perlDreamer would be the best for that question. newById should function as newByDynamicClass used to (just named a lot better)	02:59
Haarg	what is the actual bug being worked on?	03:02
@scrottie	Navigation loses its templateId... templateId goes undef. www_view blows up.	03:03
@scrottie	perhaps other assets have the same problem. this one just runs first in the tests.	03:03
Haarg	which test is this?	03:04
@scrottie	hmm, it looks like addRevision, just a few lines down, goes on to try to stick correct information into the asset. I was just confused about whether Moose was doing what it's supposed to be there... if that constructor call should be clearing out that property.	03:04
@scrottie	it's one of the Test::Class ones. I haven't pushed my version up. as I said yesterday, it looks like matt's script archive got microwaved and blew up.	03:05
@scrottie	I can push it up though.	03:05
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@scrottie	it isn't doing anything interesting at that point though... it's just calling addChild( { className => 'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Navigation' } ... )	03:07
@scrottie	well, at the point that this trigger kicks in and gives me a stack trace. then later it stumbles on that being undef and blows up.	03:07
@scrottie	but now I'm realizing that perhaps it gets repopulated at that point and then later undef'ed again. I'd really like someone to tell me if that's normal Moose behavior though...	03:08
@scrottie	$class->new($session, $assetId, $revisionDate); ... for Navigation, should that cause a trigger to run for the templateId property that reports templateId being set to undef?	03:09
@scrottie	is there anyone in this room who sees this question and simply isn't sure of the answer?	03:16
Haarg	from my reading of the code, the way it should work is that addChild uses newByPropertyHashRef to create an asset on memory without going to the database, using Moose's default initialization stuff. then addRevision is called, which creates a record in the database and initializes an object from that (newById). that object will have every property set as undef because that is what is in the database. the previous in memory object then updates	03:16
Haarg	the values of the new object based on itself.	03:16
Haarg	so the end result should be an object with the correct values and matching db info.	03:16
Haarg	but there would be an object created with all undefs along the way	03:17
Haarg	maybe that has something to do with your problem?	03:17
Haarg	i'm not entirely clear on the exact issue you are hitting.	03:17
@scrottie	maybe. not sure. I have to read through all of these trigger stack dumps.	03:17
@scrottie	well, for the moment, my problem is this: I'm wondering if calling ->new on WG::A::W::Navigation with four values should, as Moose is expected to work, cause default values in other fields to be overwritten with undef.	03:18
Haarg	not on the end result, no	03:18
Haarg	are you specifically meaning calling ->new({property hash})? that should be using moose's standard initialization stuff, which will use the default values, not undef.	03:20
@scrottie	addRevision does that call.	03:22
@scrottie	I'm not clear on the semantics for when trigger runs. the docs say it happens after the assignment.	03:23
Haarg	assignment either by the initializer or by calling the setter. but not due to the default value being evaluated.	03:24
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Haarg	might help if you have something you can push.	03:25
Haarg	the way moose handles this stuff is pretty straight forward, but with all the extra crap we have for asset creation/initialization it makes it a mess to track through.	03:26
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@scrottie	yeah. the least I can do here is pare this down to a simple, repeatable test.	03:26
@scrottie	right now I'm still trying to get a handle on this one.	03:26
@scrottie	hrm. this is interesting. should addChild(), in two different calls, return an asset of the same assetId?	03:26
Haarg	not unless you specify the asset id when calling it	03:27
Haarg	preaction, if might be good if there was stuff on the 8 tracker to mark things either as blocking 8.0 or as complete before 8.0 or not at all	03:29
@preaction	agreed. i'll add it to the tracker ;)	03:30
@preaction	i have to go and do that for 7.9 stable too, so monday	03:31
@scrottie	I'm going to afk a bit here to make a grocery store run...	03:42
@scrottie	think I've figured this one out. simple, stupid, as usual.	03:43
@scrottie	I'll try to clean up tests and push that up tonight too.	03:43
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@scrottie	/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm needs a templateId. '' ain't cutting it.	12:40
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@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/512638 fwiw... current state of the Test::Class::Asset test.	12:51
@scrottie	didn't quite get around to getting it fixed up. got sidetracked some infrastructure that it turns out I didn't need to have... Plack form processing and the faked request stuff.	12:52
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+perlmonkey2	Haarg: you around? Question about W8. You say you get 370 pages/s with PSGI and 430 with normal mod_perl?	18:54
+perlmonkey2	could someone check in the create.sql for 8?	19:51
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@scrottie	perlmonkey2, you should be able to snag the latest of the 7.x create.sql and use that. wgd reset will use that, run some upgrades, and it should be good to go. or as good as it gets.	20:36
+perlmonkey2	scrottie cool, thanks. The wre works with 8?	20:38
@scrottie	PSGI performance varies with which PSGI server you use. some of them are light and small and have few or no deps. but WebGUI 8 is also doing Moose. I think it was preaction who had a PSGI branch apart from WebGUI 8. you'd have to ask him about benchmarks on that.	20:38
+perlmonkey2	scrottie thanks again	20:38
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, it should, mostly, but I'm guessing that you'll have to add some more perl modules. I have a hand-rolled dev environment.	20:38
@scrottie	no problem.	20:38
+perlmonkey2	Yeah, I think I'll skip the WRE for now.	20:39
@scrottie	glad to have help testing and playing with WebGUI8.	20:39
+perlmonkey2	heh, we'll see if I can even get it running first :P	20:39
@scrottie	>=)	20:39
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@preaction	patspam is the one who's been running PSGI benches, last i knew he tweaked it up to a few thousand requests per second	05:38
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+perlmonkey2	kind of quiet in here on weekends.	17:40
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@preaction	yeah, i don't work nearly as hard anymore	18:31
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+perlmonkey2	How do I configure a site with plack?	22:28
+perlmonkey2	weird question	22:30
+perlmonkey2	ah, app.psgi holds the clue.	22:31
+perlmonkey2	holy moly, the new webgui site setup is sweet.	22:35
@scrottie	w00t!	22:47
@scrottie	yeah, plackup. good old plackup.	22:47
@scrottie	I'm going to head out and do some errands and chores in a bit here then I'll probably coffee shop it later.	22:48
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+perlmonkey2	hmm, was running on the latest 7 db, with plack, then updated to the 8 db, and now the admin isn't working.	23:16
+perlmonkey2	ah, bad session	23:17
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zylopfa	Greetings, anyone know how i return an asset (which is a pdf file in this case), with the content type app/pdf, instead of getting the container asset with a link to the file	23:24
zylopfa	doing something like this:	23:25
zylopfa	adela/anders-de-la-cour-nyhedsbrev/7-skridt-til-omsaetning.pdf	23:25
zylopfa	my $asset = WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl($session,"linkto/file.pdf");	23:25
zylopfa	if (defined $asset) {	23:25
zylopfa	$session->asset($asset);	23:25
zylopfa	$asset->prepareView();	23:25
zylopfa	my $output = $asset->view;	23:25
zylopfa	return $output;	23:25
zylopfa	}	23:25
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+perlmonkey2	Anyone have any good recommendations for books?	00:53
zylopfa	What topic?	00:54
+perlmonkey2	zylopfa: I read just about everything	00:56
zylopfa	Try "The Creature from Jekyll Island", awesome book but a little brick like. But don't let that scare you	00:57
+perlmonkey2	A book about the Fed?	00:58
+perlmonkey2	Not out for the kindle yet, I'll put it on my wish list.	00:59
zylopfa	I read it in 3 sittings, its very well written	00:59
+perlmonkey2	Sounds a little conspiracy theory-ish, but it should be a fun read.	01:01
zylopfa	yeah it is somewhat but when you read it you get your doubts	01:02
+perlmonkey2	hah, I already have my doubts. But the culprit is more often plain incompetence than conspiracy :P	01:03
zylopfa	haa yeah you might be right there	01:04
zylopfa	you always have to judge for yourself, both sides.	01:04
+perlmonkey2	anyone know of a good example of the 8 branch using the plack interface?	01:14
+perlmonkey2	wha? if ($path =~ qr{^/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz$}) {	01:17
+perlmonkey2	hahahahah http://localhost:5000/abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz	01:18
+perlmonkey2	pretty cool bit of example code	01:19
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CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7a21887 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bad call to quote_identifer. Fixes bug #11766. - http://bit.ly/cylIPk	02:29
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+perlDreamer	how hackest thou, perlmonkey2?	04:45
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, well I got plack up and running and have been piddling trying to see how it works with apache.	04:45
+perlmonkey2	I know through mod_perl, etc, but trying to figure out how to configure that.	04:46
+perlDreamer	I haven't gone beyond fixing and writing API	04:46
+perlmonkey2	was just looking through tickets for something to start poking at when you yelled.	04:46
+perlDreamer	I've been working on removing Class::InsideOut, but as far as a I know, everything else is fair game	04:47
+perlmonkey2	This progressbar one looks simple enough.	04:47
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: if we're touching code, are we also moosifying it?	05:11
+perlmonkey2	Wait, is the plan for starman to replace apache?	05:18
+perlmonkey2	or at least mod_perl?	05:22
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zylopfa	Hello Webguians	14:07
@scrottie	heya zolopfa	14:39
zylopfa	scrottie, do you know how i make a Content handler to return a pdf file and not just a link to it	14:45
zylopfa	like i have track something in the content handler and then serve the pdf file directly	14:45
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::File, at the end of the source, has an example of sending a file, but I don't know if that would interact badly in the case of a content handler. I suspect it would interact badly.	15:24
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zylopfa	I think its what i am looking for! thanks a lot	15:39
@scrottie	hey, no problem. let me know how that comes out. I'm curious.	15:45
zylopfa	sweet thanks i will	15:45
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+perlmonkey2	what's the word	16:40
SDuensin	Morning.	16:40
SDuensin	Confusion. :-)	16:40
SDuensin	Been trying to get a cluster running. Seems to run. VMs won't start. No idea.	16:41
@scrottie	mm? what kind of cluster?	16:46
SDuensin	Ganeti	16:57
+perlmonkey2	with starman wg will be si much easier to deploy. hobbyist can easily use it now	17:29
zylopfa	Haa nice	17:42
zylopfa	I hope there will be a new developer book with webgui 9	17:43
zylopfa	8	17:43
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+perlDreamer	I feel like I'm in a demented version of that old Dunkin' Donuts commercial	18:22
+perlDreamer	"Time to fix the bugs"	18:22
+perlmonkey2	better than what im doing	18:27
+perlDreamer	okay, perlmonkey2, I'll bits. What are you doing?	18:29
+perlDreamer	s/bits/bite	18:29
+perlmonkey2	db2 hell.	18:30
+perlmonkey2	at a 1000% ibm shop and i want to crawl under my desk.	18:31
+perlDreamer	as long as Mrs. Monkey2 is there with you, it sounds like a good idea	18:32
+perlmonkey2	no have an office now. strict network rules so no im irc from work pc.	18:33
+perlmonkey2	i mean an office that isnt 20 feet from my wofe	18:34
+perlDreamer	i c	18:36
+perlmonkey2	yes i broke down and got a real job. dont ever do it.	18:37
+perlDreamer	Gots to pay the bills and feed the goats somehow	18:41
zylopfa	does anyone know how i can feed a file to the user, i wanna let him click a link (to a Contenthandler). that will do some logging and then serve him a pdf file	18:41
zylopfa	Its something with sending the mime type and then the streaming of the date	18:41
zylopfa	data	18:42
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, checkout Content/Asset, and search for the string "stream"	18:42
+perlDreamer	it should show you how to do that	18:42
+perlDreamer	but, you shouldn't need a custom content handler to do that	18:42
zylopfa	you are a pal!!	18:42
zylopfa	The content handler does more	18:43
+perlDreamer	okay	18:43
zylopfa	its kind og a newsletter thing	18:43
@preaction	it's a good WebGUI day!	18:44
zylopfa	Always!	18:46
zylopfa	but what particular has happend this day Sir?	18:46
@preaction	well, every day is a good WebGUI day, so today is a good WebGUI day	18:46
+perlDreamer	Good morning, preaction! You're bright and chipper today.	18:46
@preaction	better than the alternative	18:47
zylopfa	yeah true preaction	18:47
@preaction	plus, we get to prioritize the bug lists today	18:47
+perlDreamer	now, go throw down some java, eat some chow, and LOOK AT MY ACCURSED, WRETCHED dispatch branch	18:47
+perlDreamer	please :)	18:47
@preaction	and there was some other important thing i needed... right! evaluate the dispatch stuff	18:47
zylopfa	Would it be a good idea to make Content handlers configurable like Wobjects?	18:48
@preaction	er.. your webgui is forked from pdonelan's?	18:48
+perlDreamer	it was originally	18:48
@preaction	zylopfa: what do you mean? you mean like a definition sub?	18:48
@preaction	ahh	18:48
zylopfa	yeah preaction	18:48
@preaction	zylopfa: no. content handlers, the entire list is potentially run through every request	18:48
+perlDreamer	ooh, just thought of another good one for dispatch!	18:49
+perlDreamer	CSV export	18:49
@preaction	so having to look up properties from the database is very bad	18:49
zylopfa	Sweet	18:49
zylopfa	thanks preaction	18:49
zylopfa	yeah you are totally right	18:49
@preaction	zylopfa: are you trying to do the Subscription Code thing? or is that some other dude?	18:49
+perlDreamer	hmm, CSS specificity says that IDs have higher priority than classes, yes?	18:51
@preaction	yes	18:51
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.org/462113 preaction	18:52
@preaction	google "css specificity", it's a bit complex	18:52
zylopfa	I am making a kind of newsletter handler, that handles signups and confirmation email and logging of who read it and stuff like that	18:52
@preaction	zylopfa: that looks like a wizard. are you using 7.9? look at WebGUI::Wizard, it's a nice little framework for multi-step processes like this	18:53
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, it also sounds like the Newsletter Asset	18:53
zylopfa	ohh nice!	18:53
zylopfa	I dont like the Newsletter asset, cause i dont understand it	18:53
zylopfa	Its chained to the Collaboration system	18:53
zylopfa	and I dont understand the mechanics	18:53
zylopfa	how you can make a collaboration system into a newsletter	18:53
zylopfa	I think basically its posting to the subscribers when there is a new thread started	18:54
+perlDreamer	yes, that's exactly what it does	18:54
zylopfa	But I think its too complex for making	18:54
@preaction	you can e-mail in to the collab system	18:55
@preaction	the madmongers.org collab never gets posted to, it just handles mail dispatch	18:55
zylopfa	yeah preaction thats a good thing, I made a pop3 mail system using some of that	18:55
zylopfa	I should really upgrade my production WebGUIS	18:56
zylopfa	but the most that i am afraid of is ruining the Collaboration systems on the sites	18:56
zylopfa	I guess all i gotta do is read the gotchas	18:56
zylopfa	Is there a way that you just install the newest webgui and then importing the old data?	18:57
@preaction	we haven't had any huge regressions causing data loss in years, and there are currently none in the entire upgrade path from 5.8 to 7.9	18:57
zylopfa	Sick preaction , I have had some strange errors though when upgrading, something with Feed workflows making errors	18:58
zylopfa	http://webgui.pastebin.org/462139 these errors i get all the time as it is	18:59
zylopfa	There isnt any syndicated content on the sites atm	18:59
@preaction	the "Could not instantiate object" was a bug that was fixed	19:00
zylopfa	ohh nice	19:00
zylopfa	I might fix it if i upgrade?	19:00
@preaction	what version are you running?	19:00
zylopfa	7.6.35-stable on that pastebin i posted	19:01
@preaction	yeah, i think i remember there were some latent bugs in the 7.6 series that were not fixed before 7.7 went stable	19:02
@preaction	there's a community (read: perlDreamer) released 7.6.35.2	19:02
zylopfa	haa!	19:02
zylopfa	I am very annoyed with errors in the logs, but most they come when i upgraded	19:03
zylopfa	But I will try to rid them away now	19:03
zylopfa	We have to fix pagination also	19:03
zylopfa	in all the assets using it	19:03
+perlDreamer	what's wrong with pagination?	19:04
zylopfa	if you got 2 assets that paginates on the same page, one of them shows nothing	19:04
zylopfa	if you go to page 2 on one of them	19:04
zylopfa	because the pagination variables are the same	19:04
@preaction	no, because you've left the page layout asset	19:04
@preaction	look up "asset focus" in the webgui wiki	19:05
+perlDreamer	yes	19:05
@preaction	perlDreamer: we do have an asset focus FAQ in the wiki right?	19:05
+perlDreamer	I don't know, preaction	19:05
zylopfa	I have a page where it does just that preaction	19:05
+perlDreamer	it may be mentioned in some of the articles, but I don't think we have a specific page for that	19:05
zylopfa	And i posted the error some time ago then one asset was changed but it needs to be done in all that use pagination	19:06
zylopfa	Say if you go to this site:	19:06
zylopfa	http://zyloshand.globalcontrol.biz/forum/zylos-hand-forum/general-forum?pn=2	19:06
zylopfa	then you can see the tagwall in the top right shows nothing	19:07
@preaction	ahh	19:07
zylopfa	cause it thinks its being paginated	19:07
zylopfa	when its the other asset which is	19:07
@preaction	perhaps instead for that tagwall you'd like the Chatbox asset? is designed for just that	19:07
zylopfa	yeah I thought of that also	19:07
zylopfa	But it doesn't solve the problem!!	19:08
@preaction	it's not in core webgui yet, there are some things it needs, but it works perfectly	19:08
@preaction	no, not in webgui, but it solves your problem	19:08
zylopfa	awesome i saw it on the bazaar i think	19:08
zylopfa	Should we fix it in webgui?	19:08
@preaction	i have a better solution to the problem, collab/2 with the new asset dispatch	19:08
@preaction	no more ?pn=	19:08
zylopfa	ohh nice	19:08
+perlDreamer	pagination! yeah, totally	19:08
@preaction	that's the problem: we use too much ?query= params. way too much	19:09
zylopfa	haa yeah	19:09
@preaction	zylopfa: yes, is on bazaar, but that's older version probably than the one in my github: github.com/preaction	19:09
zylopfa	Sweet thanks!	19:09
@preaction	and if you want it in the core and can do a little bit of work, we can help with what little needs to be done (i18n some and testing some other)	19:10
@preaction	perlDreamer: you're quite lacking in comments, but i'll add some	19:10
zylopfa	I can do the i18n	19:10
zylopfa	I have to learn testing, it seems very arcane to me	19:11
+perlDreamer	The code is self-documenting, and needs no comments	19:11
zylopfa	I have read the developer guide many times	19:11
@preaction	riiiiiiiiight	19:11
@preaction	perlDreamer: i'm thinking mainly for those who don't know what "func" does.	19:11
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zylopfa	Outch	19:12
+perlDreamer	zylopfa is right. If you don't know what func does, then you shouldn't be messing around with dispatch, Content/*.pm	19:13
zylopfa	haa yeah, I do know it though	19:13
@preaction	but you should be able to LEARN from the code	19:13
zylopfa	it propably gets picked up by the Asset thinkn in Contenthandlers	19:13
zylopfa	and then works on that asset	19:13
zylopfa	in the url	19:13
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer can i pm u?	19:16
+perlDreamer	anytime, dude	19:16
zylopfa	guys when upgrading should i do 1 release at a time? Or from one minor version to the next?	19:18
+perlDreamer	if by minor, you mean from 7.6 to 7.7, then yes	19:19
zylopfa	yeah	19:19
+perlDreamer	however, stop versions may require extra stopping points	19:19
+perlDreamer	check out the stop versions page in the wiki for the list of known ones	19:19
zylopfa	thanks a lot Sir	19:19
zylopfa	Backing up before upgrading is your friend ;D	19:29
@preaction	the upgrade.pl will do it for you, but you should backup /data/WebGUI as well	19:30
zylopfa	just taring everything from /data/* manually also	19:30
+perlmonkey2	will wg have a packaged config for a proxy server? if so nginx?	19:32
+perlmonkey2	in 8	19:32
zylopfa	Does captchas get cached? Just backing up and see i got like 10.000 captcha.something.gif on one of my sites	19:32
zylopfa	:O they are still running over the tar output	19:33
zylopfa	thats strange	19:33
zylopfa	they are located in public/uploads/temp	19:34
@preaction	temp is cleared out every 24h	19:34
zylopfa	thats crazy they are still running	19:34
zylopfa	isnt 10k a lot of captchas?	19:34
@preaction	one is created anew for each request	19:35
zylopfa	ok then i think its good i upgrade doesn't seem to have run it then	19:36
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+perlDreamer	Haarg: would you accept a patch that changes the default behavior of wgd ls?	19:43
+perlDreamer	I'd like wgd ls to work more like /bin/ls, where it displays the requested "file" if it isn't a directory (doesn't have children)	19:43
Haarg	maybe	19:44
Haarg	can you give me an example where that is important to do?	19:45
+perlDreamer	I want to see if an asset exists in a site	19:45
+perlDreamer	so i tried to do wgd ls root/import/default-asset-subsciption	19:45
+perlDreamer	that returned nothing, since it doesn't have children	19:45
+perlDreamer	maybe I'm going about it the wrong way?	19:45
Haarg	i have a couple thoughts	19:47
Haarg	first is that it should be setting the error code on exit if it isn't found, but it doesn't seem to be	19:48
Haarg	so that should be fixed	19:48
+perlDreamer	well, it is found	19:48
Haarg	yeah, but for something that doesn't exist	19:48
Haarg	i don't really like the idea that you proposed because it is inconsistant	19:48
Haarg	unfortunately assets can't quite be treated the same as file system entries	19:49
Haarg	is this for something you are trying to script?	19:50
+perlDreamer	I wanted to check lots of sites, to see if they have that asset or not	19:51
+perlDreamer	maybe by using wgd for-each	19:53
+perlDreamer	but that's not that useful either, since you can't tell which output comes from which site	19:54
Haarg	yes you can	19:54
Haarg	wgd for-each -p -w'ls root'	19:54
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra1b1eaf / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add the default email subscription template again, since it seems to be missing from the 7.8 sites that got upgraded. - http://bit.ly/b6tSLL	20:20
zylopfa	Now we are upgrading!!	20:35
* perlDreamer says sheepishly, "Thanks, Haarg"		20:35
zylopfa	haa ;D	20:35
zylopfa	Its good advice and help from this irc channel	20:35
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Haarg	might make sense to update the documentation to make that type of use more obvious	20:37
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+perlDreamer	I like -0 even better than -p, since I can post process with grep/ack/perl	20:39
seriftron	is there a way to access custom metadata fields for an asset via template loop? using the collaboration system in this case...i'd like to retrieve metadata values i've set on threads in the main collaboration system template.	20:40
@scrottie	lots to read this morning..	20:42
+perlDreamer	seriftron, in the thread display (main CS view template), you get all asset properties, and keywords	20:42
+perlDreamer	no metadata	20:42
+perlDreamer	a small macro would do it, but it would have to be written from scratch	20:42
@preaction	seriftron: that doesn't mean it can't be added, of course	20:43
seriftron	i guess it would be similar to the Page macro (which can access metadata values) and i could pass in the field name and assetid	20:43
@preaction	i think we should improve how metadata works. it's generally useful, especially when all you need to do is add a few extra fields to a Post or something	20:43
seriftron	right, we run into this with our clients a lot. we get most of what we need from the asset out of the box, with the exception of a few custom fields that we need to be able to access easily	20:44
+perlDreamer	that sounds more like the "userDefined fields in every asset" RFE	20:45
+perlDreamer	would that work for you, seriftron?	20:46
+perlDreamer	come to think of it, userDefined fields should be available in the CS template, now	20:46
+perlDreamer	however, they're not in the default templates	20:46
seriftron	i believe so. what is the difference between userDefined fields and metadata?	20:47
@preaction	right, but userDefined fields require a large amount of setup by a technical user. metadata is done by content managers, which are the people who need the metadata	20:47
@preaction	they're both technically metadata	20:47
+perlDreamer	before metadata, there was userDefined fields	20:47
+perlDreamer	they only exist in a few assets	20:47
+perlDreamer	metadata exists everywhere	20:47
zylopfa	Lads I was wondering something, you know Form Controls	20:48
+perlDreamer	metadata has to be enabled, and it can impact a site's performance	20:48
@preaction	and then if form fields were configurable, you could do very fun things like have a JsonTable field with defined columns, or a DataTable metadata field	20:48
@preaction	everything impacts performance :p	20:48
zylopfa	I made new ones but i have to "Hack" at the Dataform asset to be able to use it in them	20:48
@preaction	but i'm just trying to talk to some people about why we're losing to Drupal, and I suspect Metadata and Taxonomy are two big reasons	20:48
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, there's an RFE to switch the DataForm to use DynamicField instead of hardcoding the usable fields	20:49
+perlDreamer	Taxonomy?	20:49
zylopfa	ahh nice	20:49
seriftron	it sounds like userDefined fields would be appropriate. can someone explain how to set those up? i haven't found much on the subject in the wiki	20:50
+perlDreamer	seriftron, for the CS, it's just template variables	20:50
+perlDreamer	you'd add them to the appropriate template, Post Edit form, Thread view, CS view, etc.	20:50
+perlDreamer	they're documented in the online help	20:50
seriftron	thanks, i'll take a look	20:52
+perlDreamer	preaction: re performance, when Metadata is enabled, every page hit incurs an extra write, since it's tracking which assets' metadata is the most popular	20:54
+perlDreamer	so, it's a little bigger than userDefined fields :)	20:55
@preaction	that could be enabled/disabled. that particular tracking thing	20:59
+perlDreamer	definitely	21:02
zylopfa	YESS!! Just upgraded to the latest webgui and errors seems to have vanished	21:08
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zylopfa	do you guys know if the fine survey wobject needs new browsers when creating new surveys?	21:23
+perlDreamer	new browsers?	21:27
zylopfa	when i use it here it only says "Loading..."	21:28
zylopfa	when i get into editing the survey itself	21:28
zylopfa	I could try it on the test site i guess to see if its my webgui install	21:28
+perlDreamer	check the webgui log for errors, and set the logging level to something like INFO, or DEBUG for a little while	21:30
+perlDreamer	Survey is still beta	21:30
zylopfa	Damn nothing on my site, only info , no errors. Works on the webgui demo site	21:31
zylopfa	I am using the same version as the demo site on webgui.org	21:32
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zylopfa	Looks totaly awesome the new survey thing, but cant work other than on the demo site :(	21:35
@scrottie	dammit, I go all week without checking email and that's the week that everyone decides to email me urgent questions.	21:35
@scrottie	I thought skype was quiet.	21:35
zylopfa	haa damn it scrottie	21:36
@scrottie	three communications channels is one too many.	21:36
@preaction	i've got them all trained to do e-mail rather than skype. skype requires me to derail and drop everything	21:36
zylopfa	yeah its no good when you code	21:36
@scrottie	that's true but I didn't have them trained and this change caught me by surprise.	21:37
@preaction	especially when it's "how do i use 'patch' again?"	21:37
zylopfa	like this: man patch	21:37
+perlDreamer	patch -q1 < some.patch; #crap; call preaction on skype	21:39
zylopfa	anyone know if the Survey wobject is different on the webgui demo site than the 7.8.24 stable?	21:40
+perlDreamer	they should be the same	21:40
zylopfa	I am unable to get to func=editSurvey mode	21:40
zylopfa	it just stands in the loading screen	21:40
zylopfa	no errors in the log even with debug level logging	21:40
+perlDreamer	restarted the server after changing the log level?	21:41
@scrottie	WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm ... WebGUI8... is it just me or is the templateId default actually specified as ''? if so, this makes me wonder if this is perhaps _not_ supposed to blow up on templates it can't find? if not, does anyone have a suggestion for which template should be used, or, alternatively, a heuristic for deciding which template should be plugged into there?	21:41
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, look for all templates with the namespace ZipArchive	21:42
zylopfa	yeah its default to ''	21:42
+perlDreamer	set the default to that	21:43
zylopfa	you propablt should create a new template with namespace ZipArchiveAsset	21:43
+perlDreamer	yeah, what zylopfa said	21:43
zylopfa	mostly the wobjects come with default templates though but this one has none it seems	21:44
zylopfa	controls,error,fileUrl,fileIcon,pageError,noInitialPage,noFileSpecified is the template variables you can use	21:45
@scrottie	I'm going to take it that it should blow up when no or an invalid template is specified.	21:45
zylopfa	yeah it will	21:45
+perlDreamer	scrottie, blowing up would be bad	21:45
+perlDreamer	it won't do that in 7.x	21:45
zylopfa	"couldn't initialize template" or so	21:45
zylopfa	in the error log	21:45
@scrottie	well, it raises an exception.	21:45
+perlDreamer	then that exception needs to be trapped and handled	21:45
@scrottie	okay. I think I shall do that after I try to fix what I can of these dangling template references. this is good for debugging.	21:46
zylopfa	yeah it doesnt seem to test for the templateId if its defined	21:46
+perlDreamer	scrottie, what I recommend is: file a bug for the missing default against 7.x	21:46
@scrottie	zylopfa, I saw some code in there for that but it isn't entirely working.	21:46
+perlDreamer	and then in 8, fix the lack of exception handling in the Form plugin	21:46
* scrottie nods slowly. and drools.		21:47
* perlDreamer passes scrottie a hankie		21:47
zylopfa	In the prepareView sub, it just assign the templateid, but not checking if its set	21:47
+perlDreamer	that's another bug	21:48
+perlDreamer	it should throw a TemplateNotFound exception	21:48
zylopfa	scrottie, what version are you using of webgui?	21:48
+perlDreamer	8	21:48
zylopfa	I dont see anything there at all that test for the templateId is defined	21:48
zylopfa	The Asset.pm will propablt write an error in the logfile	21:49
+perlDreamer	ZipArchive is a pretty rare asset	21:49
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@scrottie	"newById must get an assetId" ... /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1774 ... is how it blows up for me when a template doesn't exist. at the very least, that isn't particularly descriptive ;)	21:51
zylopfa	I tried to put a ZypArchive on the testsite	21:52
zylopfa	without changing anything	21:52
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@scrottie	WebGUI::Error::InvalidParam->throw(error => 'newById must get an assetId');	21:53
zylopfa	Seems just to take "Default Zip Archive" template	21:53
zylopfa	Dont know if Asset.pm just finds the first template in the namespace and assigns it	21:54
@scrottie	thanks for the suggestions and comments.	21:54
zylopfa	if none is selected	21:54
@scrottie	doesn't seem to. reading through the codepath, I didn't see anything about template namespaces. time to go rtfm =)	21:54
zylopfa	In the code its set to ''	21:54
zylopfa	scrottie,	21:56
zylopfa	In Asset.pm in line 2349	21:57
@scrottie	huh?	21:58
@scrottie	what sets what to?	21:58
zylopfa	Naa nothing there	21:59
zylopfa	must be done in the asset edit form	21:59
zylopfa	scrottie, i figured it out	22:25
zylopfa	Webgui/Form/Template	22:25
zylopfa	.pm	22:25
zylopfa	Line 172, the formfield for 'template' gets all templates for the namespace and populate the selectbox	22:26
zylopfa	when you save a ZipArchive, that has not got a default template you just get the first template in the namespace defined in teh ziparchives definition	22:27
zylopfa	HOWEVER! If there weren't any templates in the import branch or anywhere else from the start, you would get unhandled errors	22:28
@scrottie	what's happening in this case is a little more primitive. a test suite creates an instance of every sort of object (or some approximation thereof), performs a simple edit on it, and renders the result.	22:33
@scrottie	no user interaction required, and no speculation needed about possible codepaths.	22:34
zylopfa	ahh ok scrottie, the reason it works is cause of the Template.pm form field though	22:34
@preaction	works or fails, whichever	22:35
@scrottie	I know what's going wrong... the question is just how this case should be handled (don't blow up on lack of template, how to decide which template to stick in there if one goes in there)	22:35
@preaction	the form field shouldn't blow up on lack of template, it should just pick the first one (so, no value at all)	22:35
zylopfa	you can do like: my $templateList = WebGUI::Asset::Template->getList( $session, $self->get( 'namespace' ), $onlyCommitted );	22:36
zylopfa	you got the namespace from the Asset	22:36
@scrottie	preaction, wait, during www_view, if there's no template, it should pick one out, on the spot?	22:36
zylopfa	and from the list created there use the first template	22:36
@preaction	lack of template can happen multiple times, one of which is "template got deleted but is still referenced by assets". this is usually a huge problem that we try to protect against, but it should not prevent the user from changing the template in the asset (otherwise can't fix the problem)	22:36
@preaction	ohhh	22:36
@preaction	that	22:36
zylopfa	if there isnt defined a defalut for the asset	22:36
@preaction	no, during www_view if there's no template it should throw the appropriate WebGUI::Error::ObjectNotFound::Template or whathaveyou	22:37
zylopfa	yeah	22:37
@scrottie	ahh. alright.	22:37
zylopfa	the reason it works from the web is cause of the selectbox created by Template.pm in the /webgui/forms	22:37
zylopfa	it takes the first template in the namespace and assigns that to the new assets templateid	22:38
@scrottie	preaction, yeah, a while ago in scroll I noted that ZipArchive's property for templateId had a default of '' and wondered if, given that, blowing up on lack of template was the right thing to do (eg, in the case of creating a ZipArchive from scratch in a test suite and then rendering it)	22:38
@scrottie	zylopfa, I'm not doing any of that right now. I probably should be. but I'm not.	22:39
@preaction	ziparchive doesn't have a template, and shouldn't have a templateId afaik... ziparchive works... weirdly...	22:39
zylopfa	Just saying why it in practice work even though its not defined	22:39
zylopfa	no no preaction it DOES have a template	22:39
@scrottie	zylopfa, ahh, got ya now. but it looks like the plot thickens even more.	22:39
@scrottie	I see a template in the template table for that namespace...	22:40
@preaction	ah... hmm...	22:40
zylopfa	the edit form for ZipArchive creates the "template id" selectbox	22:40
@scrottie	hrm. hmm, hmm, hmm.	22:40
@preaction	but a ziparchive is just an entry point to a tree of real html files on the file system	22:40
zylopfa	from all templates in the namespace of the asset	22:40
@preaction	also, perlDreamer, Haarg, any reason to NOT get rid of ZipArchive?	22:40
@scrottie	I don't have specs, tests, or working code, and somehow from that I have to infer working tests and code =P but I have very helpful compatriots.	22:40
@scrottie	s/tests/working tests/	22:41
+perlDreamer	preaction, what do we replace it with?	22:41
@preaction	Nothing. Nothing at all.	22:41
@scrottie	I don't remember if it's the case with this one, but a lot of these are blowing up when something else includes them in the layout	22:41
+perlDreamer	doesn't seem like we should get rid of it without providing a way for users to do the same thing, some other way	22:41
zylopfa	scrottie, treat it as an error, would be if a template wasnt in the import node	22:41
zylopfa	with the assets namespace	22:42
+perlDreamer	does the WebGUI Site project have any data about usage for that Asset	22:42
+perlDreamer	?	22:42
zylopfa	What does it do btw?	22:42
@preaction	i don't know	22:42
@preaction	you upload a .zip file, and it extracts it into an uploads folder and shows the root index.html as the www_view page	22:43
@scrottie	okay. I might need to research this one a bit more. I didn't do the other stuff that I said I was going to do so I should do that other stuff first. whee!	22:44
zylopfa	ahh ok preaction	22:44
* perlDreamer does not love the ZipArchive, but will hold to his position of being old, stodgy, and resistant to change for the sake of balance		22:45
@preaction	ooh, asset dispatch could improve the ziparchive's functionality hugely!	22:45
@preaction	we could make it USEFUL!	22:45
+perlDreamer	no	22:45
+perlDreamer	just less ugly	22:45
@scrottie	heh. maybe I should open a ticket and let it go for now then.	22:45
@preaction	entire sections of your site, with real URLs, created and maintained with external programs!	22:45
+perlDreamer	but if we get rid of it, we have to provide a way to not break peoples sites	22:45
@preaction	scrottie: it's just an idea, we at least need it to work as it does presently	22:46
@scrottie	of course... not going to leave a test failing... but as an alternative to figuring the what, why and how of templates in the thing I could plug in the one template for it and make the test pass.	22:47
+perlDreamer	it should have a default templateId	22:47
@scrottie	just a thought.	22:47
@preaction	that would be the correct fix, yes	22:47
+perlDreamer	every template should have a default	22:47
zylopfa	scrottie, just put the default template in	22:48
zylopfa	ZipArchiveTMPL00000001	22:48
zylopfa	and then the bug is off	22:49
@scrottie	yeah, yeah, yeah.	22:50
zylopfa	its a bug in the asset it should be corrected	22:50
* scrottie sighs		22:50
zylopfa	:O	22:50
@scrottie	zylopfa, did I mention that I'm working on tests and fixing the bugs that I find? telling me to fix the bug when I'm asking about the best way to fix the bug is slightly redundant.	22:50
zylopfa	I mean if i made an asset for the bazaar with that error it would not work cause its not in the main distro	22:50
zylopfa	ohh sorry	22:51
zylopfa	thought you was making a test suite	22:51
zylopfa	I can fix it for you	22:51
@scrottie	working on a test suite and fixing bugs as I go.	22:51
@scrottie	no problem. I'm grateful for your help. but you don't have to tell me to fix bugs. that's what I'm doing ;)	22:51
zylopfa	templateId=>{	22:52
zylopfa	tab=>"display",	22:52
zylopfa	label=>$i18n->get('template label'),	22:52
zylopfa	namespace=>"ZipArchiveAsset",	22:52
zylopfa	fieldType=>'template',	22:52
zylopfa	defaultValue=>'ZipArchiveTMPL00000001'	22:52
zylopfa	},	22:52
zylopfa	wasnt ment to be rude	22:52
@scrottie	zylopfa, I started asking about the general case on this one... "should this barf in general?"... because I've stumbled on a number of these. I've fixed them exactly like that. but it's made me wonder if maybe the thing wasn't supposed to be raising an exception on them.	22:53
+perlDreamer	whenever you try to instanciate an asset, it should throw an exception	22:53
+perlDreamer	every time	22:54
+perlDreamer	it's up to WebGUI to handle the exceptions correctly	22:54
* scrottie nods at perlDreamer.		22:54
zylopfa	propably like perlDreamer says	22:55
@scrottie	yup. preaction agrees. now I'm trying to bring zylopfa up on the situation to figure out if he really wants to fix all of my bugs for me given that I'm conscripted to fix bugs =)	22:55
zylopfa	haa ofc!	22:55
@scrottie	I could hop a flight to Santa Monica and hit the beach =)	23:00
zylopfa	sounds good	23:00
+perlDreamer	scrottie, fixing bugs is like doing pushups	23:01
+perlDreamer	it's good exercise	23:01
@preaction	and nobody likes doing it	23:06
@scrottie	except zylopfa, and why deprive him of the pleasure?	23:07
zylopfa	was just trying to help :(	23:08
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, never trust a smiling person from Arizona	23:08
@scrottie	oh, I'm just playing with ya.	23:09
zylopfa	haa <3	23:09
@scrottie	cheer up.	23:09
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@scrottie	w00t.	23:50
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CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9fafa25 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm): Give ZipArchives a default template. Fixes bug #11769. - http://bit.ly/bA1rBL	01:27
@scrottie	...	01:29
@scrottie	okay, that commit conflicts.	01:29
+perlDreamer	it's only 22 characters	01:37
+perlDreamer	well, okay, 23	01:37
@scrottie	still, what would possess you to do the very same thing you know I'm doing?	01:39
@scrottie	apart from arguing with a friend about the merits of reimplementing IPC over top of IPC. but maybe you were doing that too.	01:39
+perlDreamer	you posted a bug	01:40
+perlDreamer	I fix bugs	01:40
+perlDreamer	you didn't say you were going to fix it	01:41
@scrottie	I think I said as much in a long conversation with zylopfa.	01:41
zylopfa	damn i am updating my production server with new webgui but i get errors in testEnvirnoment	01:42
zylopfa	rgw stupid mysql wont link	01:42
zylopfa	the	01:42
zylopfa	/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /data/wre/prereqs/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.a when searching for -lmysqlclient	01:42
zylopfa	I dont understand how it can go wrong	01:42
@scrottie	I'm nervous about scripting git. I have a hard getting it right manually. I'd like to have it post the bug and close it immediately with the commit hash from git... but this whole rebasing thing is freaking me out.	01:43
@scrottie	it keeps telling me that it's rebasing changes when I pull but I can't for the life of me figure out whether it really is or not.	01:43
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@scrottie	I think I need to turn that off and do it manually. as it is, sometimes stuff I don't want to send up that I've forgotten about goes up because it automagically got rebased. I'm used to darcs.	01:44
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@scrottie	anyway, if I'm careful about committing after opening a ticket and you beat me to the punch, I'm going to press ahead more aggressively on automating this then I'm going to commit all sorts of garbage I don't want to.	01:45
+perlDreamer	just put a note in the ticket that you're going to work on it	01:45
+perlDreamer	or assign it to yourself	01:46
+perlDreamer	and we won't step on toes again	01:46
@scrottie	alright, alright.	01:46
+perlDreamer	I'm sorry for making you do a conflicted merge	01:46
@scrottie	it's okay. sorry I'm cranky.	01:46
+perlmonkey2	aaaahhh, that was sweet.	01:46
@scrottie	I need to get away from the computer.	01:46
+perlDreamer	I hear British Columbia is nice this time of the year.	01:47
+perlDreamer	You can stop by Portland on the way through, and I'll buy you a beer	01:48
@scrottie	ha, I am so taking you up on that.	01:49
@scrottie	I've got a friend in Portland and the girl's parents are in Seattle.	01:49
+perlmonkey2	The thing I've never understood about big company jobs is that they'd prefer to pay you to sit and do nothing rather than break procedure. I feel like the contractors who were paid to take paper from one desk and place it on another desk.	01:50
zylopfa	Fuck i have problems. are there known problems with installing webgui wre 32 bit on a 64 bit system?	01:52
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, um, yes.	01:52
+perlmonkey2	zylopfa: what problems. I used to run it on a 64 bit system no problem./	01:53
+perlmonkey2	scrottie it's like you're getting paid so you feel like you should be working. But the trouble ticket you sent out to get access to the servers that have the code you need to work on isn't getting answered. The cute girl at the help desk is fulling willing to flirt, but in no way will jump your ticket to someone who can help.	01:54
zylopfa	I am getting wierd errors, it says DBD::mysql isnt installed when running testEnvirnoment.pl	01:54
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, setenvironment.sh?	01:54
zylopfa	then it will install it from cpan and then it quirks	01:54
+perlmonkey2	So you just sit and look at the same thousand lines of code you were looking at 4 hours ago and think how boring your life has become, but at least you're getting paid a silly amount to do nothing, which only helps a tiny bit.	01:54
zylopfa	yesh sorry sh	01:54
+perlmonkey2	wow, I feel better. That was cathartic :P	01:55
zylopfa	yeah i ran that perlDreamer	01:55
+perlDreamer	keep flirting with the help desk chick, perlmonkey2, and Mrs. Monkey2 will fix the boredom problem	01:55
zylopfa	It builds the module from the right mysql uincludes in the wre dir	01:55
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, whether you have a wife and kids limits your options here, but in cases like that, I tend to make my job interesting.	01:55
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, she wouldn't, but her 3 large brothers would :P	01:55
@preaction	at her behest, of course	01:56
@scrottie	okay, that was not what I meant to say.	01:56
zylopfa	But it quirks in compiling it at:	01:56
zylopfa	<scrottie> it keeps telling me that it's rebasing changes when I pull but I can't for the life of me figure out whether it really is or not.	01:56
+perlmonkey2	preaction: actually it would be a race to see if my family got to me before her's did.	01:56
zylopfa	wops didnt mean to put scrottie there	01:56
+perlmonkey2	scrottie hahah, just read that.	01:56
+perlmonkey2	wait, doesn't the wre include dbd::mysql?	01:57
@scrottie	having wife+kids at home restricts you from doing a lot more than flirting, including restricting you from ruffling political feathers.	01:57
zylopfa	Guess I gotta put wre from the testserver onto the production server by copying then	01:57
+perlmonkey2	scrottie I'm probably about to jump ship for an equally boring but hire paying job. Too bad I screwed up with pb, didn't know how good I had it and all I had to put up with was JT :P	01:58
+perlmonkey2	higher	01:58
@preaction	to be honest, JT is a lot to put up with even on the best of days...	01:59
@preaction	and also to be honest, i'm in charge of WebGUI now ;)	01:59
+perlmonkey2	preaction: really?	02:00
+perlmonkey2	preaction: you're the main cheese on managing wG?	02:01
@preaction	yep. i'm pumpking/project manager/what-have-you	02:01
@scrottie	I sometimes get the feeling that my desk is situated on top of a lot of graves.	02:01
@preaction	scrottie: aren't all desks?	02:01
@scrottie	hmm =-)	02:02
+perlmonkey2	preaction: that is awesome. congratulations. boss of a major open source project, I think you're one of the big guys now.	02:02
+perlmonkey2	hah	02:02
+perlmonkey2	scrottie++	02:02
@preaction	we will be once i turn WebGUI back into a major open source project	02:02
+perlmonkey2	That's why we wear that noose around our necks while at the desks.	02:02
@preaction	the Monarch has his hands in many sinister soups	02:02
+perlDreamer	great, now we have to go through the whole obeisance and prostration thing again	02:03
+perlmonkey2	heh, cool, any hints on what he's up to? And besides 8, what are you doing to make wg a bigger foss project?	02:03
@preaction	i'm planning nothing more than the complete, total, and utter destruction of our major enemy, Drupal	02:04
@scrottie	1. Plack-ification 2. Small, understandable core 3. CPAN 4. Slashdot/reddit/digg whoring 5. endless Internet pissing matches. I can taste the future!	02:04
+perlmonkey2	oh, Doug's the Monarch? Do we call you "Your Majesty" or just "Your Dudeness"?	02:04
+perlmonkey2	hahaha, death to Drupal.	02:04
@scrottie	oh, 2.5. good documentation.	02:04
@preaction	but before we destroy, we must first understand. there's a real reason people are using it besides "they're idiots and php programmers are a dime a dozen"	02:05
zylopfa	Isnt Drupal dead already?	02:05
@scrottie	I wrote Acme::RPC in response to a friend's description of one aspect of Drupal.	02:05
+perlmonkey2	preaction: because it is easy to set up, scales decently, and only gets you hacked once a month.	02:05
+perlDreamer	it's dirt simple to install PHP on cheap hosting, and PHP programmers are a dime a dozen?	02:05
zylopfa	yeah	02:06
+perlmonkey2	but 8 was retardly (my special needs research cousin will kick my arse for using that word) simple to set up.	02:06
@preaction	'dirt simple to install PHP on cheap hosting' <- that's not a factor in whitehouse.gov's decision	02:06
zylopfa	haa true	02:06
@preaction	that's the biggest bullshit excuse we've been using to not look at drupal's real strengths	02:07
+perlmonkey2	preaction: don't you have the market cornered on large foss customers?	02:07
@preaction	'webgui cannot be installed on $5 hosters'	02:07
+perlmonkey2	foss using customers, I mean.	02:07
@preaction	whitehouse.gov is using drupal, and contributing back drupal modules even	02:07
zylopfa	:O'	02:08
@scrottie	warm fuzzies. WebGUI holds them back. it's a small club of people who dig in enough to understand how the thing works. people who do tend to say, "huh, I did something like this a long time ago but didn't run with it". that's a warm fuzzy that good docs could offer. there's the warm fuzzies of shopping for and installing the parts you want... this the fuzzies that cpanm and apt give you.	02:08
@scrottie	warm fuzzy of firing it up under cpanel or the like, on your cheap-o provider, at the push of a button. people like programs that start from the beginning in not giving them grief.	02:09
@scrottie	people shouldn't wind up like me with a %&@#-list of annoyances and gotchas.	02:09
+perlmonkey2	I for one am in love with never dealing with apreaq2 again.	02:09
@scrottie	need to back away from corner cases and really nail the first user experience.	02:10
+perlmonkey2	preaction: well, why is whitehouse.gov using drupal?	02:10
+perlmonkey2	wait, the government is using a POS php cms?	02:10
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+perlDreamer	yup	02:10
elnino_	hellO!	02:11
+perlmonkey2	with probably 500 zillion zero day exploits just waiting to be foudn?	02:11
elnino_	are there tags/tag clouds on collaboration systems in 7.8?	02:11
zylopfa	Greetings elnino_	02:11
+perlDreamer	elnino, only thing with clouds is the wiki	02:11
@scrottie	DEFCON was not kind to Drupal.	02:11
elnino_	hello zylopfa	02:11
+perlDreamer	and the Story Manager	02:11
elnino_	ok. thanks. perlDreamer. I was just hoping. =)	02:12
+perlDreamer	elnino_, it's a very small macro to add that	02:12
+perlDreamer	or core change, either way	02:12
elnino_	macro?	02:12
* elnino_ all ears		02:12
@preaction	perlmonkey2: yes, there was a huge brouhaha over Drupal being chosen	02:12
+perlDreamer	yeah, it could be done with a small macro	02:12
+perlDreamer	it would take the assetId of the CS, and generate a cloud for it	02:13
* perlDreamer has to go fry some pork for dinner, bbl		02:13
@preaction	scrottie: agreed, the first WebGUI experience used to be a big blue screen with horrible looking stuff and a walkthrough wizard to create a horrible looking site. we've removed that, but we've got a ways to go yet	02:13
zylopfa	Well imo fuck the default design, if people wanna make some serious shit they make their own templates	02:14
@preaction	elnino_: don't limit the macro to collaboration and it could be put into core. take how the wiki generates the cloud and just dump it into a macro	02:14
@preaction	zylopfa: but we should convince people that WebGUI is pretty by giving them something pretty to look at. not everyone is a designer. wordpress lets you just go to it by unzipping some files and choosing a theme from a dropdown	02:15
@preaction	the new site starter shows you a half-dozen styles and lets you pick	02:15
@preaction	i wanted a dozen, but it seems that nobody was onboard	02:15
zylopfa	yeah preaction perhaps, but the most important is a well thought of system, templates is just templated in the end of the day	02:16
elnino_	you guys came up with a name for plugins.. like asset attribute, or asset something...that could be written for any asset/wobject. am I making sense?	02:16
elnino_	what was that term?	02:16
@preaction	elnino_: AssetAspect?	02:16
elnino_	yes!	02:16
+perlmonkey2	preaction: for what its worth those half dozen are very nice looking.	02:17
@preaction	it would be better as a macro, i believe. then any content manager can add a tag cloud of any part of their website into any part of their website	02:17
elnino_	that's basically what you're looking for, right? I think that was a buzz word before 7.8 came out. did that "technology" come to fruition?	02:17
@preaction	perlmonkey2: i scoured the bazaar for the only few i could find acceptable and modern. i found three. the other three are the normal three default styles that have shipped with 7.x since 6.99	02:17
@preaction	yes, it's in the core	02:18
@preaction	WebGUI 8 has moved to Roles, but the concept is the same. a bit of functionality you can include in your asset with a line or two	02:19
zylopfa	I am going to build the wre from source then, then maybe the mysql::dbd will not link to the wrong lib	02:37
@preaction	bonne chance	02:37
@scrottie	hmm. it looks like if you pass a form with fields missing, those fields get ''. it doesn't distinguish between a field not having been passed and the field passed with a zero length value. but there's logic in there to. it could.	02:41
@scrottie	as long as WebGUI is making all of its own forms, it doesn't matter. if people make their own, this would clobber values.	02:41
elnino_	preaction, Im thinking out loud here. so Im thinking the macro would dispay the cloud with admin tured off, and when admin is turned on, it would allow the user to enter tags for the asset's container the macro is contained in?	02:42
elnino_	im thinking the macro would be put into the post's template, so the user can enter the tags.	02:42
elnino_	and may another macro be used to dispplay the tag	02:42
elnino_	s/tag/cloud	02:43
@scrottie	the test stuff is jumping through a hoop right now to pick out the current values of fields and pumping those into $session->request->setup_body(), but this leaves me feeling less than satisfied. thoughts?	02:43
@preaction	elnino_: no. tags are generated from the asset's "keywords". the keywords just exist, they are added when editing an asset. the Post asset has keywords. tags and keywords are semantically equal in WebGUI's parlance	02:43
elnino_	ah. I though it was a different field/table. I didn't look. that would be much easier the way you have it. =)	02:44
@preaction	scrottie: you shouldn't have to test all the properties in the base Asset test class, just that a few changes to properties work, especially anything special-cased. any more and you're testing deeper than just the Asset stuff	02:44
@scrottie	right. it's not my intention to test everything.	02:45
@preaction	elnino_: it is a different field/table, but it's already in every asset that exists (it's a hacky job of it, but it works)	02:45
@scrottie	I'm just thinking the current design is a bit fragile and I'm tempted to make it less fragile.	02:45
elnino_	perfect.	02:45
@scrottie	simply, if a field isn't included in an HTML form, when that form submits, it shouldn't clobber that field. it should leave it as-is.	02:45
@preaction	scrottie: i was thinking just mainly title, menu title, url. and yes there are some changes to the www_editSave sub that will be added (no more assetId="new" stuff, that'll be handled by a new www_addSave method)	02:46
@preaction	ah	02:46
@preaction	the rub there is how do we know it wasn't actually included? buttons are only included when they're clicked. checkboxes are only included when they're checked. radio buttons the same	02:46
@preaction	html forms are kinda funny that way	02:46
@scrottie	hrm.	02:47
@preaction	there's a WebGUI::Form::Control->isInForm or something that tries to detect that	02:47
@preaction	but some simply assume they're in always	02:47
@scrottie	WebGUI::Session::Form::hasParam is what I noticed but I didn't test it or look at it carefully to decide if it really was what I thought it was.	02:47
@scrottie	okay, that gets messier. trying to do that heuristic dependent on field type also doesn't feel very clean.	02:48
* scrottie makes a note and puts it aside for now.		02:48
@preaction	ah, yeah, looks like isInRequest passes to hasParam by default	02:48
@preaction	but WebGUI::Form::CheckList has to override isInRequest to look for a hidden value	02:49
@preaction	so yes, perhaps it should check isInRequest before it does anything (it, i assume, is processEditForm?)	02:49
@scrottie	mmmm... yes.	02:50
@scrottie	isInRequest as implemented doesn't seem to short-circuit to a true in the cases where the control element is a checkbox...	02:54
@scrottie	so that would need to change or be augmented.	02:54
@preaction	i think it can't, because of the way the CheckList is made	02:55
@preaction	but for now if we just check the API call, it's up to the API to DTRT	02:55
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CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r13e7d4c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/ZipArchive.pm : Fix: WebGUI::Asset::File::ZipArchive specifies a default template of '' - http://bit.ly/ac402J	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rb7cb774 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/UserList.pm :	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Avoid warnings about odd numbers of form elements. session->form->process	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: will return () when called in list context so force scalar context and it	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: nicely gives us an undef. - http://bit.ly/brKpie	03:26
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rc1a9184 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Gallery.pm : Force scalar context to avoid getting () back and the associated odd number of elements in hash warnings. - http://bit.ly/9iKuHb	03:31
+perlDreamer	scrottie, those last set of commits don't seem to have tests	03:36
+perlDreamer	do they make currently failing tests pass?	03:36
@scrottie	perlDreamer, yeah, sorry. the tests are based on the stuff in t/tests/Test/WebGUI but I haven't pushed them up yet.	03:37
@scrottie	the warnings fixes just cut down on spam. other things I've been committing fix tests in there.	03:37
@scrottie	the tests are co-evolving with the code. that's terribly un-ideal, I realize, and one of the side effects of that is I haven't committed the changes to the test suite yet.	03:38
@scrottie	I did push up a peek of the current state of it into a gist the other day.	03:38
@scrottie	every time something blows up, I have to figure out if I'm doing the tests wrong or the code is wrong.	03:38
+perlDreamer	well, starting wednesday I'll be doing the merge of 7.9.11 into WebGUI 8	03:39
+perlDreamer	that's nigh-on-impossible to do with failing tests that pass, then fail, than pass, etc.	03:39
@scrottie	srand(42).	03:39
@scrottie	hrm.	03:39
@scrottie	I don't know how long until these tests are all passing.	03:40
@scrottie	it's... um... it does a permutation... each test against subclass... so I guess I could estimate. but the n of n tests output is missing.	03:41
@scrottie	also, it's having the O(N**2) problem... the more tests I fix, the longer it takes to run to the point something else blows up.	03:42
@scrottie	I'm open to suggestions for how to handle this.	03:43
@scrottie	all I can think right now is to push up a current state of the tests on tuesday and then I can just refrain from pushing anything for a while until you're happy with the merge.	03:44
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elnino_	peraction. OK!! I have myself a tagcloud macro!	03:49
elnino_	except, when I click on it, it doesn't bring me to a search result.	03:49
elnino_	and I kinda whated to display the keywords each hyperlinked IN the post. so you can do a search on related posts.	03:51
elnino_	not quite sure how I can do. Probably another macro. =)	03:51
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elnino_	preaction - I misspelled your name above. =(	03:55
elnino_	kinda like peraction.	03:55
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elnino_	I'm thinking the collaboration system's search has to be modified to accept the url parameter of "keyword"	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rd57d9ff / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm :	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: Don't blow up on view when there are no WebGUI::Asset::WikiPage	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: child objects under us to feature. Also, the only reason that -1	04:02
CIA-61	webgui: on the rand works is because Perl is nice. - http://bit.ly/bbT6Br	04:02
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elnino_	or, really, every asset needs to have something simiar to wikiMaster's www_byKeyword func. the CS's search doesn't handle "keywords" I tried entering my keyword in the CS's search and it couldn't find the post by the keyword. But that's been a bug - it was on webgui.org's site too, and maybe I'm running somethign too old.	04:20
@scrottie	do you have a URL or number for that bug?	04:22
@preaction	elnino_: now i remember why it was supposed to be a TagCloud asset, it needed to be able to show the results of a single keyword	04:28
+perlmonkey2	preaction: in the progressbar ticket what do you mean that in AssetHelpers there are examples of plack streaming? I don't see any examples.	04:33
elnino_	scrottie - its an old bug from 7.6 era that I believe has been fixed	04:33
@preaction	perlmonkey2: WebGUI::AssetHelper::CopyBranch, it's something like $session->response->stream( sub { ... } );	04:40
@preaction	then that huge subref contains the WebGUI::ProgressBar->run command (which takes another subref)	04:41
+perlmonkey2	ah, found it. Thanks	04:41
+perlmonkey2	That makes more sense after looking at the plack docs.	04:42
* scrottie & # bbl		04:48
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb5ef9fc / lib/WebGUI/Keyword.pm : Add POD for the new sortOrder option to Keyword's getMatchingAssets - http://bit.ly/cOTU8A	04:58
+perlDreamer	Should have caught that earlier	04:58
+perlDreamer	preaction, maybe a TagCloud AssetAspect?	05:00
+perlDreamer	just refactor out what's in WikiMaster, and maybe StoryArchive and then make something reusable out of it?	05:00
@preaction	sure, but then a TagCloud asset to span across an entire site would be nice too	05:00
+perlDreamer	that would be a very skinny Asset :)	05:01
@preaction	yeah, but so's datatable or article (well, article is pretty bloated really, but you get the idea)	05:02
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+perlDreamer	a TagCloud asset shouldn't need to be much more than sub def {5-10 lines of i18n, icon and table}, and use Class::C3; use base qw/WebGUI::AssetAspect::TagCloud WebGUI::Asset::Wobject/; 1;	05:26
+perlDreamer	that's what I meant by skinny, hardly any code to it at all	05:27
@preaction	it'd need a view method	05:27
@preaction	right, all DataTable does is pass off it's real functionality to WebGUI::Form::DataTable	05:27
@preaction	Article... well...	05:28
+perlDreamer	yeah, Article could use a rewrite	05:28
CIA-61	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8917d4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that keywords are always returned in alphabetical order in the WikiMaster byKeyword view. - http://bit.ly/dr1I9v	05:28
+perlDreamer	I think I'm going to wrap it up for tonight, so let me tell you where I'm at	05:32
+perlDreamer	The spectre PID bug, I'd like to use Proc::ProcessTable for checking the process table.	05:32
+perlDreamer	It absolutely does not work on Windows though	05:32
+perlDreamer	I've tried to work around the Account formatting bug, and got nowhere.	05:33
+perlDreamer	Trex's .wgaccess bug should be an easy fix, the corresponding upgrade sub to fix any current bad wgaccess files will make the upgrade run quite slowly	05:33
@preaction	i'll be available tomorrow to fix bugs before the release	05:34
+perlDreamer	first thing tomorrow, I'm going to work on the shunt upgrade	05:34
+perlDreamer	'night	05:34
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SquOnk	Greetings	16:36
SquOnk	preaction: You mentioned that 7.9 does not have SWF files, right?	16:37
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SquOnk	Suggestions on 576912?	16:49
SquOnk	Oops. Wrong window	16:51
SDuensin	Morning.	16:56
+perlmonkey2	how goes 8 dec?	17:00
+perlmonkey2	dev	17:00
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zylopfa	Anyone here know how to build the wresource on a 64 bit rh fedora system? keeps getting build error when building DBD-mysql-4.010	18:46
zylopfa	pretty annoying :(	18:47
zylopfa	and cant use the 32 bit build wre cause then sytem says the DBI isnt installed and want it installed	18:47
@preaction	you need to check out the latest WRE from github, there are problems with the 0.9.3 building on 64-bit	18:47
zylopfa	then it fails building it	18:47
zylopfa	You think it will work preaction ?	18:47
@preaction	er... it should build its own DBI no matter what	18:48
zylopfa	and how will i get to github?	18:48
zylopfa	It wont tried on 2 different 64 bit machines	18:48
@preaction	http://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild	18:48
zylopfa	but if there is a new experimental	18:48
zylopfa	thanks a lot Sir	18:48
@preaction	it still won't build as 64-bit, last i knew, but it might work as 32-bit	18:48
@preaction	as long as you have all the proper 32-bit compatibility libraries	18:48
zylopfa	yeah i cant build on 32 in my 64 bit environ it fucked up last time	18:49
zylopfa	yeah priopably dont have the 32 bit ones	18:49
zylopfa	I dont know hwy it wont buildon 64 bit	18:50
zylopfa	I mean all the libries it needs is in the wre	18:50
@preaction	the trouble i've run into with the current head is OpenSSL refusing to build on 64bit, and thus every lib that relies on it refusing to build	18:51
zylopfa	yeah i got that on the other server i tried to build on	18:52
zylopfa	If i wanna upgrade webgui on my production server i have to reload the os to 32 bit	18:53
@preaction	just the WRE. webgui runs fine	18:53
zylopfa	yeah webfgui is fine	18:54
zylopfa	its architecture neutral	18:54
zylopfa	Can you even install a 32 bit os on a dual core 64 bit system?	18:55
@preaction	yes	18:58
zylopfa	I will do that then, and await the 64bit wre	18:59
zylopfa	cant afford production site to be so low in the release	18:59
zylopfa	Its pretty painless to restore the site	18:59
zylopfa	so i just make the latest wre for it	18:59
zylopfa	and install it	18:59
zylopfa	and do webgui incremental upgrades	19:00
zylopfa	My 32 bit test system i upgraded with 0 sweat	19:00
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+perlDreamer	morning, everybody!	19:08
+perlDreamer	Today is a great WebGUI day	19:08
@preaction	it is indeed a great WebGUI day!	19:08
+perlDreamer	have y'all fixed all the bugs for me already?	19:10
@preaction	nope!	19:10
+perlDreamer	I love how you guys aren't greedy and share	19:10
ckotil	is it possible to hide the 'With Selected: MOVE TO -> PURGE' text within the approve/deny versoin tag? its confusing some of my users, and rather than train them to ignore (or use it to their benefit) i think it would be easier to hide it.	19:12
+perlDreamer	ckotil, that screen isn't templated	19:12
+perlDreamer	so you'd have to change WebGUI/Operation/VersionTag.pm	19:12
ckotil	ok	19:14
zylopfa	greetings fine perlDreamer	19:15
+perlDreamer	howdy, zylopfa	19:16
+perlDreamer	how are things back east?	19:16
zylopfa	I am having problems building wre 64 bit	19:16
zylopfa	need my production server up to speed	19:16
zylopfa	but it seems i have to downgrade it to 32bit os instead untill the 64 bit can be build	19:16
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, have you checked the forums and wiki for help on this?	19:16
zylopfa	Yeah	19:17
+perlDreamer	no help?	19:17
zylopfa	Some had some tips like .build.sh --ia64 but i did that	19:17
ckotil	zylopfa: i think i ran into a ismiliar problem and ended up building the OS as 32bit	19:17
zylopfa	yeah some had the same problem but not stated how it was done exactly	19:17
zylopfa	haa ckotil thats my aproach now	19:17
zylopfa	I am backing up the home directories and the etc and mail config files now	19:17
zylopfa	then i install the new os this night	19:18
ckotil	i dont remmeber what exactly prevented me from building the wre on a 64bit OS	19:18
ckotil	this was almost 2 yrs ago now	19:18
zylopfa	I got problems building the mod_dbd module for mysql	19:19
ckotil	heh. 2 yrs and 2 days ago actually	19:19
zylopfa	ohh :O	19:19
zylopfa	you have a good memory	19:19
+perlDreamer	mod_dbd?	19:19
ckotil	been thinking about rebuilding the wre lately. but was gonna wait for the next wre release	19:19
zylopfa	yeah the databasemodule for mod perl	19:19
zylopfa	for mysql	19:19
@preaction	ckotil: what are they finding confusing? the fact that it exists? i'd rather make it more clear than remove it. they never want to delete things from version tags? or move things to other version tags?	19:20
@preaction	otherwise i could set a UI Level of 6 or 7 on that	19:20
+perlDreamer	preaction, the individual controls in the screen aren't UI'd	19:20
@preaction	perlDreamer: but they could be, quite easily	19:20
+perlDreamer	oh yeah, just saying that they aren't currently	19:20
ckotil	preaction: 'it's esoteric' accoridng to some of my users	19:21
zylopfa	now i backed up the /etc, /home /root and the /data directories should be fine then	19:21
ckotil	engineer types, they wanna know what every last detail is/does	19:21
@preaction	ckotil: okay, so if it's esoteric, then they know what it is/does	19:22
ckotil	yeah, im just used to it i guess. fresh eyes must see the approve/deny page differently	19:23
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer my phone says u aaid something to me. but i dont seee anything	19:25
+perlDreamer	it must have been last night, perlmonkey2	19:28
+perlDreamer	you can check the IRC logs at mentalhouse.net	19:28
@preaction	damnit. we do not have the manpower to keep putting in little CSS and HTML problems into WebGUI... anyone up for contributing an automated HTML/CSS validator that will crawl a WebGUI demo site?	19:33
zylopfa	I can make something in perl to do it	19:33
+perlmonkey2	glueing wget ti validators shiuld take just a few minutes.	19:35
zylopfa	yeah or using lwp	19:35
+perlmonkey2	.	19:36
+perlmonkey2	does lwp do multiple requests?	19:36
@preaction	it will also have to be able to log in as admin	19:36
@preaction	WWW::Mechanize would do it	19:36
zylopfa	ahh yeah then you need a service script or what its called in webgui	19:37
@preaction	log in as admin because the problems i'm finding right now are in the Account stuff, so you need a valid user	19:37
+perlDreamer	utility script	19:37
zylopfa	yeah	19:37
+perlDreamer	preaction, for that bug, I downloaded a copy of the site with the issue	19:38
@preaction	it's the greenportal style, it has way-too-specific selectors for the white text	19:38
+perlmonkey2	migut as well tjrow in jslint ro the valodatoe	19:39
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, you either need a bigger keyboard, or smaller thumbs ;)	19:39
+perlmonkey2	my autocorrect is broke	19:39
@preaction	sounds good to me	19:39
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@preaction	yay! bugs++	19:44
+perlDreamer	just merged dispatch, testing	19:48
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r89c1afd / (3 files in 2 dirs): fix 11758: formatting on account stuff is wrong - http://bit.ly/cj4lqM	19:52
@preaction	bugs--! yay!	19:53
@preaction	now i'll fix the one i added	19:53
@preaction	<3 that WebGUI::Account modules can't be introspected...	19:56
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+perlDreamer	preaction, that was fixed in 8	19:57
+perlDreamer	well, partially	19:58
@preaction	really? the editSettingsForm has been rewritten to use WebGUI::FormBuilder and return a WebGUI::FormBuilder::Fieldset?	19:58
@preaction	even that would be a horrible way to introspect to find what the setting for the style template is	19:58
+perlDreamer	no, not that much, but it's using Moose, so FormBuilder would just be a step away	20:01
+perlDreamer	wait a sec	20:04
+perlDreamer	can't you just build an object and ask it?	20:04
+perlDreamer	it's a valid method	20:04
+perlDreamer	and it talks to the db	20:04
+perlDreamer	and it inherits from Account.pm, so the method name shouldn't vary	20:05
@preaction	look at what editSettingsForm and editSettingsFormSave do: one gives you HTML, one processes direct from the session->form	20:06
@preaction	so sure, i could parse the HTML and guess which fields are template fields (i know what the style templates are so that's not too bad), then use that name try to save the form and see what setting gets saved	20:07
@preaction	that sounds like worse than any code i've ever written ever	20:07
+perlDreamer	but you don't have to parse the form	20:07
+perlDreamer	each plugin has a method to provide that information	20:08
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+perlDreamer	getLayoutTemplateId	20:08
@preaction	but that gets me the actual ID. how do i know what it's saved to in the settings table?	20:08
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+perlDreamer	I see	20:09
+perlDreamer	there's no corresponding "set" method for that	20:09
@preaction	i need to SET the style template ID	20:09
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CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r994f0aa / (3 files in 2 dirs):	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: fix 11770 Starter needs to set all account plugins	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: Refactored HomePage wizard to have a method to update	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: all places where the style template needs to be updated - http://bit.ly/ctE7ds	20:26
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6130165 / (2 files): Move StoryTopic upgrade sub for storySortOrder into the present release, instead of the previous one. (+28 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/d6DH8i	20:34
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e95468 / t/Content/SiteIndex.t : Update this test for the new default content. Fix a duplicated test description. - http://bit.ly/96tnpc	20:38
+perlDreamer	one more test to fix...	20:41
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r711f8d6 / t/Keyword.t : Update Keyword test for new default content. - http://bit.ly/c17rWp	20:41
@preaction	curses! right as i push!	20:42
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r0ed496a / (2 files in 2 dirs):	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: fix 11771 Default newsletter template not set	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: Pro tip: Never do what I just did. Ever. 8 removes the need for it. - http://bit.ly/cN9x9q	20:43
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * ra751c3a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : fix edit screen name for collab subclasses - http://bit.ly/ctqphU	20:43
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+perlDreamer	preaction, I challenge thee, so a commit snickersnee!	20:49
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+perlmonkey2	why root an n1?	21:42
+perlmonkey2	wrong chan?	21:43
SDuensin	hehehe	22:06
SDuensin	The question is, why NOT?	22:06
@preaction	that's never a good question.	22:06
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r731ae38 / (lib/WebGUI/DateTime.pm t/DateTime.t): add webgui to strftime conversion sub - http://bit.ly/9bg4io	22:06
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r625da8b / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11432 DataTable date input - http://bit.ly/cMTzWs	22:06
* SDuensin has root on an Incredible.		22:06
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@preaction	that's it. perlDreamer anything you see on the bug list that we need to fix? looks to me like we got them all	22:08
@preaction	oh	22:08
@preaction	wait	22:08
@preaction	kristi's new bug	22:08
@preaction	CURSE YOU BOPBOP!	22:08
@scrottie	ick.	22:12
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CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * rabd2e09 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): fix 11772 Metadata in post doesn't set default - http://bit.ly/azvuAd	22:29
@preaction	6 bugs down today	22:30
elnino_	when you roll back, you lose the changes right? or do they go back into penidng?	22:30
+perlDreamer	they are gone	22:30
+perlDreamer	history	22:30
elnino_	darn	22:30
@preaction	we need to remove the GreenPortal style, or come up with a special "dark" CSS file to use, or fix it so it's not so damned specific	22:30
+perlDreamer	still in a database backup	22:30
elnino_	I wanted to see the site before I changed it.	22:30
elnino_	and get a screen shot.	22:31
+perlDreamer	oh, hm	22:31
+perlDreamer	I think you can view old asset versions	22:31
+perlDreamer	one page at a time	22:31
elnino_	no. I tried.	22:31
elnino_	oh. I see.	22:31
elnino_	I was in the version manager. I'll try your idea.	22:31
+perlDreamer	preaction, even if we remove GreenPortal, that one site will still be problematic	22:31
@preaction	i don't know what that one site is, and i'm not referring to it	22:32
@preaction	this is the DataTable asset now, it has a white background, but the greenportal style puts a heavy emphasis on white text. more emphasis than YUI does on needing black text	22:32
+perlDreamer	ah	22:33
+perlDreamer	elnino_, there should be a "view" button next to the assets in the version tag	22:34
+perlDreamer	just click it	22:34
+perlDreamer	it will work only for that first click	22:34
elnino_	yep.. thanks!	22:34
+perlDreamer	all subsequent clicks on navs, links, etc, will lose the special ?revisionDate=\d+ query param	22:34
elnino_	darn. doest work, because i didn't modify the page, I was only modifiygin the template files. =p oh.well.	22:38
elnino_	I tried copying ?func=view;revision=128145778 and reapplying but that didn't work either.	22:38
+perlDreamer	bummer	22:38
+perlDreamer	how about taking a dump, making a site on the side, and rolling back there?	22:39
* perlDreamer is off for an errand, back in 60-90		22:39
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CIA-60	webgui: Numerous corrections to tests.	00:15
CIA-60	webgui: Currently, "Looks like you failed 62 tests of 3882".	00:15
CIA-60	webgui: Many transient, non-deterministic failures lurk and specific asset types need special cases added in test subclasses. - http://bit.ly/bnFxwA	00:15
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+perlmonkey2	r all the proposed updates to form:: doje for 8?	00:20
+perlmonkey2	done	00:20
@preaction	perlmonkey2: they are all in WebGUI::FormBuilder, but there are a couple non-critical methods that need to be done i think	00:23
@preaction	all the changes to WebGUI::Form::Controls are done though	00:23
+perlmonkey2	nice, maybe when i finish progressbar i can wrap up corma	00:26
+perlmonkey2	forms too	00:26
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2, you probably have nightmare time typing passwords	00:34
+perlmonkey2	i use the voice to text feature. easier to say up up down down left roght left right aba	00:36
+perlmonkey2	cant even type it	00:37
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+perlDreamer	anyone have a good, simple bash programming reference online?	00:42
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@preaction	http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/index.html <- that's the one i always use	00:44
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+perlDreamer	mmm, yes	00:50
+perlDreamer	now we can make variables	00:50
+perlDreamer	this is good	00:50
+perlDreamer	also the -v switch to ls is very good	00:50
+perlDreamer	preaction: http://gist.github.com/518097	00:59
@preaction	nice	01:00
+perlDreamer	./merger.sh 7.9	01:00
+perlDreamer	builds the whole merged upgrade packge	01:00
@tavisto	preaction, for the template picker in the setup screen, are you just going to have the small thumbnail screenshot? Or when people move their mouse over the image will it show a larger version as well? (Im doing screenshots right now)	01:02
@preaction	it's doing what it's doing now, so probably just the little one for now	01:02
@tavisto	sounds good	01:02
@preaction	i wanted input, i wanted more, but nobody bothered and now it's 58 minutes until the feature freeze...	01:02
@preaction	and i've still got bugs to fix!	01:02
@tavisto	yep well I was too busy playing solitaire	01:03
@scrottie	make more noise.	01:03
@scrottie	asking for input isn't the same as asking for any input from anyone.	01:04
@scrottie	perlDreamer, I pushed up the Test::Class tests, as they stand. I'll stop pushing things until I can coordinate with you.	01:04
@preaction	scrottie: it was months back. during the early days of 7.9	01:04
@scrottie	oh.	01:04
@preaction	and i'd remind people about once a month	01:04
@preaction	that's how we finally got the new default content	01:05
+perlDreamer	scrottie, I'll sync up and check things out tomorrow	01:05
@tavisto	yep, Doug did a good job keeping on it. Just not enough people or time	01:05
@scrottie	ah, thought this was something from a couple of days ago.	01:07
@tavisto	and Doug, the freeze is at 6pm PDT, so we're 2hrs 58 minutes away	01:07
@scrottie	I think I'm going to head out in a couple of hours and leave today as a short day and then pick up some slack tomorrow.	01:10
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r07b4258 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Shunt upgrade code from 7.8.24 to 7.9.11 - http://bit.ly/9z9Hg7	01:17
+perlDreamer	I think we need to change how we do upgrade subs	01:24
+perlDreamer	if they include something other than WebGUI::Asset, WebGUI::Storage, they should do a require inside the sub	01:24
+perlDreamer	instead of putting stuff at the top	01:24
@preaction	or they could just do a use inside the sub if you wanted	01:25
+perlDreamer	yeah, as long as it's _inside_ the sub, so it comes with the sub on merges and manual copy/moves	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2003f05 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.24-7.9.11.pl : Add missing module use line for WikiPage. - http://bit.ly/bWmFeI	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re10f2c7 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.8.24-7.9.11.pl : Add more missing module lines. - http://bit.ly/aUnLXl	01:25
+perlDreamer	the shunt upgrade is debugged and running on default content	01:26
+perlDreamer	I'll regenerate the merged upgrade package just before we release	01:26
+perlDreamer	to handle last second template adds	01:26
Haarg	perlDreamer, for that merge package generator, there are two problems i see	01:28
Haarg	first is that i don't think it will get the packages in the correct order	01:28
Haarg	second is that it may include storage files that aren't used	01:29
+perlDreamer	I won't argue about storage files, because I think you're right	01:30
+perlDreamer	but I'm pretty sure the ordering is fine	01:30
+perlDreamer	ls -v sorts them the right way	01:30
+perlDreamer	in "version" order	01:30
Haarg	ah	01:30
Haarg	gnu extension	01:30
Haarg	won't work on os x	01:30
+perlDreamer	as long as it dies, that's okay	01:31
Haarg	nope	01:31
Haarg	-v Force unedited printing of non-graphic characters; this is the default when output is not to a terminal.	01:31
+perlDreamer	hm, silent death is bad	01:31
+perlDreamer	I'll add a note to the script that you have to use gnu ls, or else	01:32
+perlDreamer	I'd rather do it all in perl, as a wgd plugin	01:32
+perlDreamer	but I had 2/3 of it done in shell already	01:32
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, are there _any_ gnu-like utilities in Mac OS?	01:34
+perlDreamer	sort has --version-sort	01:34
Haarg	all the base utils are bsd based	01:34
@preaction	i'm trying macport's coreutils package to see if i can get gnu ls from there	01:34
+perlDreamer	well, that means for portability, we'd have to use perl, or manually implement sort ourselves	01:35
+perlDreamer	I'll look into that for the next shunt upgrade	01:36
+perlDreamer	how about storage locations	01:36
+perlmonkey2	ProgressBar->run is mostly impenetrable.	01:36
+perlDreamer	we could look to see if each one exists now, and only include it if it does	01:36
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: hah, you're running a mac now? I'm so sorry man.	01:36
@preaction	perlmonkey2: yeah, frodwith does some fun evil black magic in there	01:37
+perlDreamer	no, I'm using Ubuntu	01:37
+perlDreamer	Haarg was pointing out that I'd written something that guaranteed my job security :)	01:37
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: the wdg ls idea you were talking about the other day?	01:37
+perlmonkey2	preaction: yeah, that can't be the best way to do it. It's just so ugly.	01:38
+perlDreamer	Haarg showed me the right way to do what I wanted to do	01:38
+perlDreamer	wgd for-each -0 -f -w'ls asset_url'	01:38
+perlDreamer	then I can post process as needed	01:38
@preaction	perlmonkey2: best way to do what? it monkeypatches subroutines to add reporting, then it runs the original subref passed in. i think it's a wonderful solution	01:39
Haarg	ls -d packages-7.9.* \| perl -e'print map{$_->[1]}sort{$a->[0]<=>$b->[0]}map{/(\d+)$/;[$1,$_]}<>'	01:40
+perlmonkey2	preaction: well you explaining what it does goes a long ways towards me understanding what's going on.	01:40
@preaction	Haarg, perlDreamer: The MacPorts "coreutils" package installs gnu ls as "gls"	01:40
Haarg	there's probably a better way but that would work	01:40
Haarg	yeah, it's easy enough to get gnu utils	01:41
+perlDreamer	except on Linux systems, it won't be called gls	01:41
Haarg	simpler if you don't need to though	01:41
+perlDreamer	let me try this other sorter that Haarg just posted	01:41
+perlDreamer	Haarg, let's talk more about the storage locations	01:42
Haarg	ls -d packages-7.9.* \| sort -t. -g -k3	01:42
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+perlDreamer	due to me specifying that it should be run from inside the directory, it needs to be -k5, but it works	01:45
+perlDreamer	Haarg, why do you think it will have unused storage locations?	01:47
Haarg	old revisions of the same asset	01:47
Haarg	their storage files will be extracted	01:47
Haarg	then the .json files will be overwritten	01:47
Haarg	but the old version's storage location will remain	01:48
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+perlDreamer	so, during the rename to assetId, I should check to see if the assetId file already exists	01:50
+perlDreamer	if it does, I can open the old file, find the storageId, and remove that file	01:50
Haarg	probably easier to do it a different way	01:50
+perlDreamer	find the name of all storage locations when I'm done, and remove any that don't exist?	01:52
Haarg	instead of *.storage in the tar czf	01:52
Haarg	perl -MJSON=decode_json -le'for(@ARGV){open $fh, "<", $_;local $/;$f=<$fh>;print "$_.storage" for @{decode_json($f)->{storage}}}' *.json \| sort -u	01:52
+perlDreamer	there are 35 unused storage locations	01:56
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb45c693 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.24-7.9.11/merged.wgpkg : Remove unused storage locations. - http://bit.ly/9vpcM7	02:01
+perlmonkey2	Is there a progressbar in the default site? This all looks way too complicated for a simple progressbar and I want to see why it is so entwined with wG.	02:04
@preaction	do a CopyBranch on the Import Node, With Descendants	02:05
+perlmonkey2	preaction: thanks	02:06
+perlmonkey2	This page says TOADO. I'm guessing something went wrong.	02:14
@preaction	what page?	02:15
@preaction	i'm guessing it's a to-do spelled like an 8 year old who listens to too much Zappa	02:15
+perlmonkey2	hah, I was trying to find the CopyBranch option and was in the tree view of the import node.	02:16
@preaction	click on Asset Helpers in the admin bar	02:16
+perlmonkey2	And that popped up as a JS alert.	02:16
+perlmonkey2	Did the session managing change? I think I've found an edgecase where sessions get broken.	02:17
@preaction	session managing?	02:19
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * rbd4e7a2 / (3 files in 3 dirs):	02:22
CIA-60	webgui: fix 11768 Edit Branch does not update wgaccess	02:22
CIA-60	webgui: I can't seem to reproduce this problem in the tests... - http://bit.ly/bNMtzF	02:22
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcb2bb75 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Remove notes and diags - http://bit.ly/b3pYGW	02:32
+perlDreamer	we're leaking two scratch variables, somewhere	02:33
+perlDreamer	aside from that, the tests are pretty clean right now	02:33
+perlmonkey2	preaction: user sessions.	02:34
+perlmonkey2	preaction: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about. The way wG knows who's logged in? Cookie SID's which are used to pull session data from the DB?	02:35
@preaction	perlmonkey2: how about we start with what problem you are having?	02:35
+perlmonkey2	Seems like if I do refreshes while in Admin mode, I get the same admin page, but can't do anything.	02:36
+perlmonkey2	preaction: yeah, I'll not waste your time. Next time it happens I'll carefully note what occurred and file a bug report.	02:36
@preaction	so would it be evil if, in order to work around WebGUI::Text being the most horrible thing ever, I required a new prerequisite	02:38
+perlmonkey2	something better than Text::CSV?	02:39
@preaction	no, something to normalize line-endings	02:39
+perlmonkey2	like \n vs \r?	02:39
@preaction	Text::CSV has the same problem: you have to magically know what kind of line endings the CSV file you are about to parse has	02:39
+perlDreamer	every CSV module has that problem, from what I've seen on CPAN	02:40
@preaction	http://search.cpan.org/~audreyt/PerlIO-eol-0.14/eol.pm <- what if we fix it at the IO layer?	02:40
+perlDreamer	how does it tell if we have \r\n inside quotes, as opposed to the "real" end of the line?	02:42
@preaction	the Text::CSV module handles that	02:42
@preaction	that's what the binary => 1 thing does	02:43
+perlDreamer	I'm sorry, I wasn't clear	02:43
+perlDreamer	how does PerlIO::eol tell the difference?	02:43
@preaction	difference of what?	02:43
+perlDreamer	between \r,\n inside quotes, and at the end of the line	02:44
@preaction	it doesn't, because we don't care: someone is trying to make a line break somehow	02:44
+perlDreamer	so if I pass it "\r\n",007,GoldFinger\r"this",006,that\r	02:45
+perlDreamer	it won't break the CSV file?	02:45
@preaction	okay, first and foremost: CSV was never ever ever meant to handle that.	02:45
@preaction	so if someone tries to give us that, we rightfully deserve to spit in their face	02:46
+perlDreamer	it's manually line wrapped input	02:46
+perlDreamer	I think if you built a Thingy with a text area in it, you could make that	02:46
@preaction	the "\r\n"? when \r is the line-ending, as your example has at the end?	02:46
+perlDreamer	sure, Firefox does that right now	02:47
@preaction	if the \n is in there, someone is being malicious	02:47
+perlDreamer	\r\n would be valid content to a text-area	02:47
@preaction	i don't care about 100%, all i want is that 90% of normal cases: A windows user is uploading a CSV they created on windows into a Thingy	02:47
@preaction	perlDreamer: but then they'd ALL be \r\n, not half or almost half or just more than half	02:48
+perlDreamer	I don't think we can count on any user generated input being sane	02:50
+perlDreamer	SquOnk had the most reliable idea that's been offered so far	02:51
+perlDreamer	and that's to show the user what we think they gave us	02:51
+perlDreamer	and ask them to validate it	02:51
@preaction	then how do they fix it?	02:51
+perlDreamer	there's a Try Again button	02:51
+perlDreamer	that asks WebGUI to choose the next out of a list of line endings	02:52
@preaction	a magic try again button?	02:52
+perlDreamer	yup	02:52
@preaction	no	02:52
+perlDreamer	why not?	02:52
+perlDreamer	first, try \r	02:52
+perlDreamer	then try \r\n	02:53
+perlDreamer	then use \n	02:53
+perlDreamer	the user never has to know about line endings	02:53
+perlDreamer	or choose them	02:53
@preaction	when does Try Again stop working? What does Try Again even mean? why can't we even try to guess what the line ending might be before assuming it is \r	02:53
@preaction	no, they're just going to get pissed off about clicking Try Again twice every time they have to upload to a Thingy	02:53
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r22da7c4 / (10 files in 9 dirs): initial release of Asset Report asset allowing reports to be created using asset properties. - http://bit.ly/axsZ6Y	02:54
+perlDreamer	I don't think PerlIO::eol is going to do the right thing, but I don't think it's worth arguing about since by now you would have tried it to see if it works, or not	02:58
+perlDreamer	but there ought to be some really thorough testing of ugly CSV files to make sure it works	02:58
+perlDreamer	so that when we find out where it breaks, we don't break other stuff trying to fix it	02:59
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r1ef6f19 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/AssetReport.pm : Removed inheritance of Installable Aspect which was there for testing purposes only - http://bit.ly/bc3GeA	02:59
+perlmonkey2	You know what OS is uploading to you	03:02
@preaction	perlmonkey2: how?	03:04
+perlmonkey2	preaction: user-agent almost always includes OS.	03:07
+perlmonkey2	Although you could get a windows file from a linux submit.	03:07
+perlmonkey2	hasn't someone solved this problem? Surely some ninja has developed the best(tm) heuristic for determining line endings.	03:08
+perlmonkey2	I should stop saying "some ninja". Because if I want to use a descriptor implying someones ultimate awesomeness I'd say "some pirate".	03:10
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r8c83d15 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed documentation and i18n issues - http://bit.ly/9qtVIW	03:11
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc51b256 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge AssetReport into the shunt upgrade. - http://bit.ly/95xAjM	03:13
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf91d025 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : Add AssetReport to the default WebGUI config file. - http://bit.ly/9E7FSg	03:15
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* perlDreamer has to make dinner for the boys, bbiaw		03:19
@scrottie	laters...	03:19
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@scrottie	okay, time to get myself cleaned up and go say hi to the real world.	03:54
@preaction	good luck, i'll keep the antibiotics on standby	03:54
+perlmonkey2	Strange, log in log out, restart server, refresh page, nothing is allowing me to turn on admin. Was just working.	04:03
+perlDreamer	WebGUI is too keen to allow you to fool it, perlmonkey2	04:04
+perlmonkey2	heh, ?admin=on doens't work :P	04:05
@preaction	check the error log	04:05
+perlDreamer	op=switchOnAdmin	04:05
@preaction	not in 8	04:05
+perlmonkey2	/var/log/webgui.log shows nothing when I click to turn on admin	04:06
+perlmonkey2	no js errors. Nothing.	04:07
@preaction	might want to bump the log level up to INFO	04:09
+perlmonkey2	hmm, logged out, logged in, turn on admin, and edit boxes pop up on the wobjects, but the menu doesn't show up and the link for turn admin on statys the same. Ahh, "Can't find revision date for assetId". How did I break wG so quickly?	04:09
@preaction	do you have wgdev installed? wgd reset -d <- easy way to get to a working environment	04:10
+perlmonkey2	preaction: nope, but I'll just blow away the db and start over.	04:12
+perlDreamer	perlmonkey2: wget http://www.haarg.org/wgdev	04:14
+perlDreamer	that'll get you a wgd to use	04:15
+perlDreamer	or is it http://www.haarg.org/wgd?	04:15
+perlDreamer	one of those	04:15
+perlDreamer	but no need to clone a repo, or do anything	04:15
Haarg	wgd	04:15
+perlDreamer	you really should have wgd, if only for wgd reset	04:15
+perlDreamer	wgd edit	04:15
+perlDreamer	wgd help	04:15
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r21f23bf / (2 files in 2 dirs): Added Template Help for Asset Report - http://bit.ly/by9L0h	04:16
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r91d4aa3 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Fixed i18n inside templates. Fixed URL of folder to match asset - http://bit.ly/bgjBXk	04:16
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * radf3fe6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/cCwPDT	04:16
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: is there a github link so I can keep up to date?	04:17
+perlmonkey2	brb have to go move the water.	04:17
+perlDreamer	http://www.github.com/haarg/wgdev?	04:17
@preaction	perlmonkey2: look up haarg on github	04:17
Haarg	http://haarg.org/wgd for latest release as a single file	04:17
@preaction	perlDreamer: anything you need me to do? i'm satisfied with the bug list for now	04:22
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CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * rc398930 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed international problem in JavaScript file - http://bit.ly/dBuJb5	04:44
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I thought we went through the UserList asset and decided that you couldn't abuse it with unvalidated input?	04:58
Haarg	we decided that it wasn't a huge security issue and that you couldn't get access to extra data or modify anything	04:59
Haarg	still a bug though	04:59
Haarg	if you search for something with a quote in it you'll get errors	04:59
Haarg	so it's not a security bug	05:01
@tavisto	preaction, if there are other screenshots attached to the packages in the marketplace, do I need to remove them all and only upload the 1 new pic I want? Or can you tell the style wizard which image you want it to use for the preview?	05:04
@preaction	tavisto: just give me the one new pic you want and i'll handle it	05:06
@preaction	perlDreamer: i'm fixing the WebGUI::pluggable hole	05:06
+perlDreamer	I'm looking at UserList, and wondering why it's in the core	05:06
@preaction	they were just so darned proud of finally contributing something!	05:06
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * rbb2e321 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 11773 Pluggable allows arbitrary module load - http://bit.ly/btW9i7	05:18
+perlDreamer	preaction: you should try dies_ok	05:19
+perlDreamer	from Test::Exception	05:19
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * re71ce09 / lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm : add "pm" to list of verboten uploads - http://bit.ly/9dZe7l	05:19
@preaction	i was going to, but i was not sure we had Test::Exception as a prereq	05:19
+perlDreamer	we do	05:19
+perlDreamer	to be honest, I think we could take about any testing module as a preref, since Moose and its descendants use it	05:20
+perlDreamer	except for Test::Sweet	05:20
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * rda4f2f0 / lib/WebGUI/Pluggable.pm : graham's regex makes more sense than mine - http://bit.ly/bpnxnn	05:21
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r7861679 / t/Pluggable.t : add a test for :::: - http://bit.ly/cCjs8q	05:26
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r50d81eb / t/Pluggable.t : use Test::Exception instead - http://bit.ly/aMwawt	05:26
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CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r3141a6e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fixed injection issues with SQL. Fixed a JS issue introduced in previous bug fix. - http://bit.ly/azQIwf	05:36
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * rda2b55d / (4 files in 3 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/9eeilR	05:36
+perlDreamer	preaction, Haarg: aren't these SQL clauses identical	05:53
+perlDreamer	column like "value"	05:53
+perlDreamer	column = "value"	05:53
+perlDreamer	or is like case insensitive?	05:54
@preaction	i believe like implies case-insensitivity	05:54
+perlDreamer	yup	05:54
+perlDreamer	I'm almost done with the UserList SQL injection	05:56
+perlDreamer	I need to serve some ice cream to the troops first	05:56
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elnino	hi!	05:57
elnino	when in /root/import, and you're viewing in via tha asset manager.	05:58
elnino	and then you click on "back to site"	05:58
elnino	what is that view called?	05:58
elnino	folder view?	05:58
@preaction	elnino: well. it's the folder view plus the Fail Safe style	06:00
@preaction	perlDreamer: "the"? you mean the 2 dozen?	06:00
elnino	ok. I'll call it that in my rfe	06:00
elnino	nite!	06:07
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+perlDreamer	preaction, "the" can be plural in English...	06:16
* perlDreamer looks shiftily from side to side for bopbop to come racing in with a big stick		06:16
@preaction	but injection needs an 's'	06:16
CIA-60	webgui: khenn master * r6e9a15c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/AssetReport.pm : Fixed issues with sort order - http://bit.ly/9Lckk1	06:17
+perlDreamer	"injection" can be plural in English, too	06:17
@preaction	SHENANIGANS	06:18
+perlDreamer	please give that the once over for me	06:19
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/518421	06:19
@preaction	looks good to me	06:20
@preaction	wait, what about checking sortBy that it's valid	06:21
@preaction	see what Frank did with valid_column or whathaveyou	06:21
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r1a22d13 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/AssetReport.pm : document why we only allow admins to add - http://bit.ly/aFLSNO	06:23
+perlDreamer	preaction, nothing like real column validity in there	06:35
+perlDreamer	there is a secure_identifier	06:35
@preaction	yeah that one	06:35
+perlDreamer	which splits column and table into parts and quotes both	06:35
+perlDreamer	but UserList does the same thing	06:35
+perlDreamer	$sortBy = join '.', map { $dbh->quote_identifier($_) } split /\./, $sortBy;	06:35
@preaction	ah	06:35
@preaction	that wasn't part of the patch, so i didn't see it	06:35
+perlDreamer	it was original	06:35
@preaction	yeah, that looks like it's actually validated against a list of possibles	06:36
@preaction	looks good to me, it's 11pm and i stopped caring 4 hours ago.	06:37
+perlDreamer	go to bed, I'll do the release and associated work	06:37
+perlDreamer	right after the kiddos go to bed	06:37
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0e7bc7a / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix use of raw param calls in UserList. Fixes bug #11774 - http://bit.ly/bSkOHq	06:37
@preaction	perlDreamer: one more bug fix quick!	06:42
@preaction	nevermind. i'll just post it, it's not a blocking problem	06:43
+perlDreamer	GO TO BED!	06:43
+perlDreamer	BED, you know that horizontal thing with the soft sheets and blankets!!???	06:43
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6eba088 / t/Asset/File/setfile.t : Update test to accomodate new restriction on uploading .pm files. - http://bit.ly/bDkCMK	06:50
@preaction	wtf, didn't we do that before? i remember changing it and i remember you having to update the test after me	06:51
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r19199ca / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bugs in AssetReport code, and test. - http://bit.ly/batubW	06:58
@preaction	remind me to write a nastygram to frank for that one.	07:04
+perlDreamer	is the .pm stuff supposed to be added everywhere?	07:07
+perlDreamer	it's only in addFileFromFileSytem, not addFileFromFormPost	07:07
+perlDreamer	preaction: it's not in addFileFromScalar, either	07:08
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r38788f1 / (t/Storage.t t/supporting_collateral/littleTextFile): Use a safe file for doing upload and addFile tests. - http://bit.ly/cDQPVF	07:11
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd06b7b5 / t/Shop/Vendor.t : Fix a test with random false fails. - http://bit.ly/b6aqlI	07:25
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r26f34a3 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.8.24-7.9.11/merged.wgpkg : Updated merged WebGUI package. - http://bit.ly/dq0M1R	07:31
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf8c65f4 / docs/create.sql : Ready for 7.9.11 release. - http://bit.ly/cbeG53	07:37
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CIA-60	webgui: root master * r63865eb / lib/WebGUI.pm : WebGUI 7.9.11 is stable. - http://bit.ly/9HCEXF	07:55
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re55e7d2 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.12 development. - http://bit.ly/9gppVt	08:18
@tavisto	good work all.. time for sleep	08:20
+perlDreamer	later, tavisto	08:20
@tavisto	night	08:20
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:00
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	17:05
+MrHairgrease	GOOD MORNING!	17:06
+perlDreamer	Greasings!	17:07
+MrHairgrease	indeed	17:07
+perlDreamer	hey, why did you go and break webgui.org?	17:08
+MrHairgrease	i figured, why not?	17:08
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xootom	strange problem here, have just upgraded to 7.9.11, when I wreservice restart all services, modperl and modproxy fail to start, however the site is actually running... any ideas?	18:00
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+perlDreamer	xootom, we're working on that problem right now	18:02
xootom	ah ok thanks :)	18:02
+MrHairgrease	is it related to the wg.org issue?	18:02
+perlDreamer	most likely	18:02
xootom	I did have to force install CHI in cpan to get all the requisite modules... hope that doesn't come back to bite me ....	18:03
Haarg	CHI isn't used with the default config anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.	18:03
+perlDreamer	there are some missing dependencies, like Test::Warnings, and one other that I forget off the top of my head	18:04
Haarg	wreservice checks that the response from the server is a HTTP 200. if the home page is giving a 404, which it apparently is, wreservice will report a failure to start when in fact the services are running fine.	18:04
+perlDreamer	the really funny thing, Haarg, is that curl says that there's really a page there	18:05
+perlDreamer	it doesn't report a 404	18:05
+perlDreamer	but wget, and LWP do	18:05
xootom	yeah i've got montastic saying 22 - HTTP page not retrieved. The requested url was not found or returned another error with the HTTP error code being 400 or above.	18:05
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Haarg	curl gets a 404 too, but it doesn't show you the http response code by default	18:07
+perlDreamer	curl showed me a real page	18:08
Haarg	yes	18:08
+perlDreamer	but maybe it's the NotFound page...	18:08
Haarg	because there is a real page	18:08
Haarg	seems like Content::Asset doesn't have anything to use the default page for '/'	18:12
+perlDreamer	yes, it's due to dispatch	18:12
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, can I throw a test bug your way?	18:34
Haarg	i can take a look	18:35
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+perlDreamer	If, in a test, the defaultPage is set to a test asset, it's not cleaned up	18:35
+perlDreamer	i think the settings should be restored before the asset and version tag cleanup happens	18:35
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r02121fb / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix problems with getting the default page. Fixes bug #11778. - http://bit.ly/9iRweA	18:39
+perlDreamer	xootom: if you grab a copy of the that patch and apply it, will fix the monitoring problems	18:39
xootom	thank you	18:39
Haarg	perlDreamer, that seems like a reasonable change to make to the testing stuff. might make the code rather ugly though.	18:43
xootom	great, that's done it	18:44
+perlDreamer	Haarg: maybe it's best that we leave it as it is, and just do what I did by hand in t/Content/Asset.t	18:46
* perlDreamer goes to the gym to relax for a bit		18:47
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* frodwith just independently discovered the home page bug.		20:14
* frodwith should pay more attention to the irc channel.		20:14
* scrottie nods at frodwith		20:23
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CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r996acb5 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm : fix typo in SQLReport - http://bit.ly/dlyHC0	20:29
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, you've exceeded your weekly bug limit	20:51
+perlDreamer	in order to file more bugs, they have to be accompanied with patches and or tests	20:51
Haarg	i keep thinking of potential security problems	20:51
Haarg	and all of the ones i think of turn out to exist	20:52
* scrottie nods at Haarg		20:53
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@preaction	perlDreamer: let's clear out what bugs we can and get a .12 out there. i'd like to not have you be up until midnight again	21:15
perlmon67	preaction short on hands?	21:19
@preaction	perlmon67: no. just violations of policy that i allowed because i have no spine	21:20
perlmon67	doh	21:20
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* perlDreamer passes preaction a spine		21:34
+perlDreamer	I have to have extra because I have kids	21:34
ryuu_ro	don't let them know you have a couple of spines	21:35
ryuu_ro	they will try harder to break them :)	21:36
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+perlDreamer	ryuu_ro, may you be blessed with lots of gifted, smart and stubborn children	21:38
ryuu_ro	hmmmm, I only have one spine at the moment so I need to gather some before taking that road	21:40
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@preaction	perlDreamer: which one are you working on?	22:51
+perlDreamer	still working on the Matrix	22:51
+perlDreamer	it's busted by the last bugfix	22:51
@preaction	fun!	22:52
+perlDreamer	I missed some corner cases in the dash escaping	22:52
+perlDreamer	do you want me to sideline it for some other bugs?	22:52
@preaction	i'll start on the remote holes in graham's list	22:52
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r0957759 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix 11779 SQLReport can run arbitrary queries - http://bit.ly/ansB6T	22:52
@preaction	no, just wondering so i can do something	22:52
@preaction	we might need to fast-track updating our shared hosting sites though	22:52
+perlDreamer	to 7.9.12?	22:53
@preaction	yes	22:53
+perlDreamer	not tonight	22:53
@preaction	no	22:55
@preaction	but within a week or two	22:56
+perlDreamer	but before the WUC	22:57
@preaction	yes	22:57
+perlDreamer	in javascript, hash keys can contain dashes, right?	23:07
@preaction	quote them	23:07
@preaction	and then they can contain anything	23:07
Haarg	preaction you are going to hate me	23:13
Haarg	/! UPDATE userProfileData SET firstName="foo" WHERE / "SELECT"="SELECT"	23:13
@preaction	mysql lets you do that? nice	23:15
Haarg	or	23:15
Haarg	-- SELECT\nUPDATE userProfileData SET firstName="foo"	23:15
@preaction	so comments should also be removed before running	23:15
@preaction	but i'll add those cases to queryIsValid as well	23:15
Haarg	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/comments.html	23:16
@scrottie	eeep	23:19
@scrottie	the blackhats are way ahead of you, preaction.	23:19
* perlDreamer has to run an errand, bbiaw		23:20
@preaction	always	23:20
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0f475dd / t/Asset/Wobject/Matrix.t : Update the test to handle safe (- => _____) listingIds. - http://bit.ly/b7oSBE	23:21
@scrottie	http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/privileges-provided.html#priv_file ... this privilege should be disabled.	23:23
@scrottie	by install, or whatever.	23:23
Haarg	pretty sure it is with the wre	23:24
@preaction	yep. pretty sure the WRE just does GRANT ALL ON db.*	23:24
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r4e9a2c0 / (3 files in 3 dirs): fix possible vulnerability loading template parser - http://bit.ly/bPKIpH	23:38
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r39e3c4f / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : update changelog - http://bit.ly/9veZze	23:56
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r6b1e02f / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed possible vulnerability loading help files - http://bit.ly/95dspl	23:56
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+perlDreamer	preaction, what do we have left?	00:08
@preaction	package and ziparchive bypasses storage security	00:08
@preaction	i'm doing full test runs to verify my last few commits	00:09
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+perlDreamer	I'll work on those	00:10
+perlDreamer	also, all the Storage upload methods need to be changed to rename .pm files	00:11
+perlDreamer	which is going to wreak havoc with the Bazaar	00:11
@preaction	they should be zipped, and i could swear i added pm to the list of verboten extentions	00:12
+perlDreamer	you did, to one of the methods	00:12
+perlDreamer	we need to extract out that list, and make it a package variable	00:12
+perlDreamer	In fact, I'm going to do that now, so that I can use it on the ZipArchive and package methods	00:13
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@preaction	getting some test failures on syndicated content	00:24
+perlDreamer	yes	00:24
+perlDreamer	part of it is that the SVN server isn't up yet	00:24
@preaction	ah, because svn.webgui.org's rss feed sucks	00:25
@preaction	changing it to github's feed for webgui how about	00:25
+perlDreamer	we need a better RSS feed to pull from	00:25
+perlDreamer	sure	00:25
+perlDreamer	really, it should be a live test	00:25
+perlDreamer	and we can supply the RSS feed	00:25
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell master * r1f99da3 / t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t : fix syndicated content test with a new RSS url - http://bit.ly/bAoGEw	00:27
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+perlDreamer	preaction: http://gist.github.com/519805	00:28
+perlDreamer	same extensions, everywhere	00:28
+perlDreamer	uh, if we change the ZipArchive to rename HTML files, won't it be useless?	00:29
@preaction	heh, yep	00:29
ryuu_ro	goodnight guys	00:29
+perlDreamer	later, rory	00:29
@preaction	cya	00:29
+perlDreamer	so.... ?	00:29
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+perlDreamer	so we move it to the Bazaar?	00:30
@preaction	you didn't want to! :(	00:30
* perlDreamer is fatigued		00:30
+perlDreamer	like I said before, I'm not particularly enamored with it, but I don't think we should just remove it	00:31
+perlDreamer	putting it into the Bazaar isn't quite as bad	00:31
@preaction	ziparchive needs to be a special case then, everything in that list except htm/html	00:33
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9f724a7 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): block the same set of extensions in http, scalar and file uploads in Storage. - http://bit.ly/aV2EKr	00:56
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+perlDreamer	preaction: i've got the package one done, too	01:23
@preaction	so the only one remaining is the form->get() returning lists in list context	01:38
@preaction	i don't think that one can be fixed in any easy way	01:40
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r13a222f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): Block files with dangerous names from coming in via Storage untar. - http://bit.ly/bxZu8d	01:47
+perlDreamer	preaction, no, it's ack and crawl by hand	01:48
@preaction	the only real danger is if that allows bypassing of security checks	01:48
+perlDreamer	form->get() ?	01:49
@preaction	yes	01:49
+perlDreamer	how?	01:50
@preaction	for example, in www_add, the url is gotten directly from the form, bypassing loadModule and the checks therein	01:50
+perlDreamer	that means that loadModule should have a check, too	01:50
+perlDreamer	either that, or Form::Classname needs stricter checks	01:51
@preaction	it does, but it reimplements WebGUI::Pluggable and misses some of the checks pluggable does	01:51
@preaction	no, i could give the form three "url" fields: "url", "className", "WebGUI::Asset::..::..::..::something"	01:51
+perlDreamer	then, it needs to be called in scalar context	01:53
+perlDreamer	so only one of them gets called	01:53
+perlDreamer	returned	01:53
+perlDreamer	you evil query building fiend	01:53
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* perlDreamer goes back to looking at the ZipArchive, and wishing that he didn't feel so responsible		01:55
+perlDreamer	fewer assets, less i18n, less memory...	01:55
@preaction	yeah, this is evil stuff that i'd never think about. luckily we have graham and paul that do this kind of thinking	01:55
+perlDreamer	time to get our evil on!	02:00
+perlmonkey2	A ProgressBar fell on me.	02:01
+perlDreamer	I'll get a rope	02:02
+perlmonkey2	That's what the fat guy says at the end of Road House.	02:02
+perlDreamer	are you calling me a fat guy?	02:03
+perlDreamer	now I'm really going to get my evil on	02:03
@preaction	oh you've really done it now	02:03
+perlmonkey2	perlDreamer: isn't fat, he's obtuse	02:03
+perlmonkey2	convex?	02:03
+perlDreamer	Supersized!	02:03
+perlDreamer	actually, I figure if I get big enough, I'll displace enough atmosphere that the troposphere will expand	02:05
+perlDreamer	this will cause additional drag on the ISS, which will make it deorbit	02:05
+perlmonkey2	about time that piece of junk was decommissioned.	02:05
+perlDreamer	if I time it just right, I can aim it at $dayJob-1	02:05
+perlmonkey2	hah	02:05
+perlDreamer	now, since I've just blown any semblence of plausability out the door	02:06
+perlDreamer	I should go back to fixing the ZipArchive	02:06
+perlDreamer	that's it	02:08
+perlDreamer	I give up preaction	02:08
+perlDreamer	this thing sucks	02:08
+perlDreamer	it will try to untar a .tarp file	02:08
+perlDreamer	and unzip a .zipper file	02:08
+perlDreamer	it needs to die	02:08
@preaction	it can be fixed! i believe in you!	02:09
+perlDreamer	why are you wearing my hat?	02:09
+perlDreamer	YOU are supposed to be the dynamic agent of change	02:09
+perlDreamer	and I am supposed to be the stodgy user advocate	02:10
@preaction	just need to File::Find after the extract and piss in the attackers' cheerios	02:10
@preaction	because removing it at this point will probably be more work than this fix	02:10
+perlDreamer	it's going to take me at least 10 minutes to forgive you for doing this	02:11
@preaction	that's okay	02:11
+perlmonkey2	I keep writing tests to figure out how what's going on in the progressbar monkeypatch and am getting nowhere.	02:17
@preaction	the monkeypatch is local, only that code is affected if you're inside the subref	02:17
+perlmonkey2	That is definitely the kind of code that coudl use some comments.	02:17
+perlmonkey2	but what is being passed to plask?	02:18
@preaction	a subref that, when called, inits the progress bar and starts writing content	02:19
+perlmonkey2	and I don't follow. It looks like what is passed is the monkeypatch.	02:19
@preaction	no, the monkeypatching is done by the "wrap" argument to ProgressBar->run(). inside run() it parses the wrap argument and wraps the subs it is told to	02:20
+perlmonkey2	but $url is what is passed to psgi. $url is the return from the monkeypatch eval.	02:22
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+perlDreamer	preaction, that's the Zip Archive all fixed	03:38
@preaction	yay	03:38
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7251cc2 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Secure and fix the Zip Archive. - http://bit.ly/aKIUZR	03:39
+perlDreamer	I'll check the list, do you know of anything off the top of your head that we should do next?	03:39
@preaction	yeah, the release	03:39
@preaction	the only thing left is the form->get() in list context thing	03:39
* perlDreamer will start the release dance		03:40
+perlDreamer	Ooga booga ooga booga	03:40
* scrottie pounds the drums		03:40
+perlDreamer	Great gods of software development, hear my call	03:40
* perlDreamer smokes a test suite		03:43
+perlDreamer	I offer up these electrons as a pleasing aroma, a sacrifice	03:44
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd92fc76 / t/supporting_collateral/extensions.tar : Add a new test collateral file. - http://bit.ly/bCKp0K	04:05
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra12278e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.12 release. - http://bit.ly/acQWpN	04:07
+perlDreamer	yay! monitorage	04:18
+perlDreamer	oaky, 7.9.13 is out	04:37
+perlDreamer	and ready to be developed on	04:37
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb2924bd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready fro 7.9.13 development. - http://bit.ly/bfnRNr	04:38
+perlmonkey2	I'm out on the progressbar. That stuff is just silly.	04:43
+perlmonkey2	Way too smart for me.	04:44
+perlDreamer	don't sell yourself shoft, perlmonkey2, you got da hacks	04:44
+perlmonkey2	I don't think I'm going to get pushing onto a stack, doing something else, then popping the stack.	04:45
@scrottie	perlmonkey2, formulate more specific questions about what you're looking at and trying to do. make little reports and post them as gists.	04:46
@scrottie	add narratives. half the time I do that, I wind up answering my own question.	04:46
@scrottie	or work on something else =)	04:48
+perlmonkey2	I need less complicated clockwork to work on. Surely there has to be a ticket that doesn't involve magic.	04:48
+perlmonkey2	I can't stand it, wG8 branch AssetHelper::CopyBranch lines what are the points of 122 and 124?	04:50
+perlmonkey2	I mean, push adds to the end of the array and pop pops the end of hte array, right?	04:51
@scrottie	well, you could try taking it out and see what happens, or you could address your question directly to preaction since he seems to be responsible.	04:52
@scrottie	one of my favorite little tricks is running a test with Devel::Trace in effect, capturing that to a file, changing something, running it again, and running kompare on the two outputs.	04:53
@scrottie	I agree this stuff needs a lot more comments.	04:54
+perlmonkey2	I'm looking for something fun, and that would be the opposite :P	04:55
+perlmonkey2	Anyways, on to url handlers or some such.	04:55
@scrottie	to each his own. I'd love to go nuts with doc patches.	04:56
+perlmonkey2	doc patches?	04:56
@scrottie	machine language is for computers. code is for hu-mans.	04:56
@scrottie	commits that do nothing but add documentation... POD, comments, whatever.	04:56
+perlmonkey2	and what's a url handler in a config file even look like :P	04:57
+perlmonkey2	ah, ic see.	04:57
@scrottie	in fact, if the crazy starts to take hold, I'm likely to start commiting a bunch of documentation that may or may not be correct and then watch people scramble to correct it >=)	04:59
+perlmonkey2	That could be fun.	04:59
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, I can revert faster than you write and commit	05:46
@scrottie	that wouldn't be entirely bad if you were kind enough to leave the commits there were actually correct.	05:50
+perlDreamer	but if you're spamming the core, I'm not likely to check very closely	05:51
@scrottie	I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that the level of filtering will be appropriately calibrated to the amount of work that actually went into the hypothetical doc patches.	05:52
@preaction	scrottie: to be quite honest, if you go nuts with docs patches, anything that's wrong will have to be corrected, but it will give me an exact spot that needs to be fixed	07:00
@preaction	so i say go for it	07:00
* scrottie nods		07:04
@preaction	and i can think of at least five people, former and current webgui developers, who will sing your praises for it ;)	07:05
@scrottie	haha	07:07
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re43745c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm : Trap exceptions when trying to get the featured wiki page. - http://bit.ly/9clbM4	07:48
@scrottie	perlDreamer, should I be pushing stuff again to WebGUI8?	07:56
+perlDreamer	scrottie, while we're doing a release, you only have to avoid pushing to the branch that we're releasing	07:56
+perlDreamer	for the debug work that you're doing in WebGUI8, I'll work around whatever merge issues there are	07:57
@scrottie	right. I couldn't remember what you said you were doing other than tests that started and stopped failing randomly would be problematic.	07:57
+perlDreamer	yeah, when the tests get broken, its best not to commit until that's all fixed	07:57
+perlDreamer	for example, t/run_assets.t is pretty useless right now, and it runs for a very, very long time	07:58
+perlDreamer	you are running the entire test suite before committing, right?	07:58
@scrottie	well, run_assets.t is in much better shape	07:58
@scrottie	a mix... I've been doing a lot of perl -e 'Test::Whatever->new->runtests()' essentially	07:59
@scrottie	I'm running the whole set right now. and yeah, it takes a long time.	08:00
@scrottie	"# Looks like you failed 39 tests of 3907." for run_tests.t	08:02
+perlDreamer	that is better	08:03
@scrottie	a good chunk of those are "Failed test 'new revision tagId is current working tag'"	08:03
@scrottie	I haven't sat down yet to figure out exactly how the revision stuff is supposed to work. That might be something where it gets fixed once and works everywhere.	08:04
+perlDreamer	that sounds like autocommit	08:04
@scrottie	heh, we both did the same thing to WikiMaster.pm.	08:05
@scrottie	er, no, technically, I think we both went after the same problem: http://gist.github.com/520347	08:05
+perlDreamer	no	08:06
@scrottie	thoughts? it seems cleaner to me to avoid the case that causes the exception rather than catching an exception.	08:06
+perlDreamer	all Asset constructors throw exceptions	08:06
@scrottie	but that's assuming...	08:07
+perlDreamer	so that will die if the requested asset is broken	08:07
+perlDreamer	you have to eval it	08:07
+perlDreamer	it won't return undef, like the version 7 code	08:07
@scrottie	hrm. okay. mind if I mix both of those patches together, and make sure there is an assetId and trap errors as well?	08:07
@scrottie	the thing I fixed was this... if there were no Wiki pages in a Wiki, then $featuredId would be undef, and that would absolutely not work.	08:08
+perlDreamer	yeah, the only thing I did was make sure that newById won't kill the current page request	08:08
@scrottie	okay. cool.	08:08
+perlDreamer	so, if there's no featuredId, that whole section can be skipped	08:08
+perlDreamer	but if there is, and the asset's broken, it has to be eval'ed, otherwise it will die unnecessarily	08:09
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@scrottie	right.	08:10
@scrottie	cool.	08:10
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rc74572b / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Fix typo in '_doAfterTimeLimit_options' call from property definition. (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/cp1VrI	08:15
+perlDreamer	speaking of broken assets, if you're ever find a site with them, there's a script in sbin that will report, fix and/or delete them	08:15
+perlDreamer	findBrokenAssets.pl	08:15
@scrottie	"getProperties agrees with getEditForm->getFieldsRecursive" ... a lot of the failures are that one, too.	08:16
@scrottie	some email was flying about that script recently... I made a note of that.	08:16
@scrottie	what I should do is read it and see what it does exactly.	08:17
+perlDreamer	it's not all inclusive	08:19
+perlDreamer	it keeps getting extended as we find more edge cases	08:19
+perlDreamer	the merge with 7.9.12 will fix some of the broken tests	08:20
+perlDreamer	like t/Mail/Send.t, and SyndicatedContent.t	08:20
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r5d50866 / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm :	08:23
CIA-60	webgui: Add support for additional, required per-package constructor args.	08:23
CIA-60	webgui: Give better diagnostics on which properties don't appear in forms and vice versa so I can hopefully figure out the rhyme and reason to those that don't match.	08:23
CIA-60	webgui: When an edit form takes attachmentsJson, stick some in there so it doesn't get upset and to give it a workout. - http://bit.ly/bOUbyO	08:23
+perlDreamer	scrottie, you're right about those fixed class names needing to be moved out of Test::WebGUI::Asset	08:24
+perlDreamer	t/Asset.t, or t/Asset/Asset.t would be good landing zones	08:24
+perlDreamer	Test::WebGUI::Asset started out as t/Asset.t, so they may even be duplicated	08:25
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, there's another problem I'm seeing	08:28
+perlDreamer	Moose and SUPER:: don't get along well	08:28
+perlDreamer	like in the WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm	08:28
+perlDreamer	it needs to use around, or super instead	08:28
+perlDreamer	around is better, because super doesn't always play well with roles	08:29
* scrottie makes a note		08:30
+perlDreamer	are you using a particular comment or tag for work that you need to come back to later?	08:31
+perlDreamer	we might as well be consistent about it	08:31
@scrottie	XXX, but I try not to commit anything with XXX in it...	08:32
@scrottie	the Test::Class Asset.pm is an exception	08:32
@scrottie	I think I've seen "Todo" (and apparently "Toado") elsewhere.	08:32
+perlDreamer	Toado?	08:33
+perlDreamer	weird	08:33
@scrottie	I don't remember who, but someone was in the channel the other day commenting that a dialogue popped up with that spelling of Todo in it	08:33
@scrottie	ack disagrees.	08:33
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/520381 # it looks like there are only eight distinct failures happening	08:40
+perlDreamer	the line marked 745 looks like another typo I put in when converting to Moose	08:41
@scrottie	whoops, 7.	08:41
@scrottie	I thought so too but the names match.	08:42
+perlDreamer	not only that, but the i18n for the download options from the master branch got lost	08:47
+perlDreamer	I'll add that back in	08:48
+perlDreamer	i18n is a forever battle	08:48
+perlDreamer	people keep committing code without it in perl, JS and templates, and it's a bear to track down	08:48
@scrottie	hrm.	08:48
+perlDreamer	I wrote a perl critic policy to automatically check the validity of labels	08:49
+perlDreamer	but it doesn't know how to check to see if they're needed or not	08:49
+perlDreamer	and frodwith is too clever in writing ways to make getting the i18n object easier for devs	08:49
+perlDreamer	but very hard for code scrapers to follow	08:49
+perlDreamer	scrottie, what does WebGUI::Exception look like in your branch?	08:52
@scrottie	ack SUPER \| wc -l # 342	08:53
+perlDreamer	not all modules use Moose	08:53
+perlDreamer	ack SUPER Asset/	08:53
@scrottie	13c27bc38bca01718a33ffb328c4ab0a69b6f119 ... "Fix bad interaction with Test::Class: "Operation "eq": no method found, left argument in overloaded package WebGUI::Error...""	08:54
@scrottie	last commit mine, on WebGUI::Exception	08:54
+perlDreamer	the module was completely rewritten, and git won't merge on it any more	08:55
@scrottie	if you want to blow away my changes, I can re-make them if necessary.	08:55
+perlDreamer	that wasn't the problem	08:58
+perlDreamer	the problem was adding in all the POD, and changing the formatting	08:58
+perlDreamer	it gave git a headache, and it just puked and cat'ed the files together with <<<< ==== >>>> glue	08:59
@scrottie	git diff 29c01ffad7211f227bf29878c82d318f905b7a3a..13c27bc38bca01718a33ffb328c4ab0a69b6f119 /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm	08:59
@scrottie	I'm not seeing any formatting or POD changes... just a few lines added.	09:00
+perlDreamer	they probably predate your work then	09:00
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/520412	09:00
@scrottie	changing the end to look like that was my commit	09:01
@scrottie	'eq' and 'ne' defs	09:01
+perlDreamer	that wasn't the problem	09:01
+perlDreamer	try git show master:lib/WebGUI/Exception.pm	09:01
+perlDreamer	and then look at it in the WebGUI8 branch itself	09:01
+perlDreamer	they're way different	09:01
+perlDreamer	we should backport the 8 file into 7	09:01
+perlDreamer	for future ease of work, and good docs	09:02
@scrottie	nice.	09:02
@scrottie	here's something I've been dreading asking about... scott@Microknoppix:/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset$ ack defaultValue \| wc -l # 135	09:03
@scrottie	my understanding is 'defaultValue' means nothing to Moose::Meta::Attribute	09:03
+perlDreamer	that is correct	09:04
+perlDreamer	much better to use default	09:04
+perlDreamer	however, that's ALL Form code	09:04
+perlDreamer	including hand built stuff in other www_ methods	09:04
* scrottie nods		09:04
+perlDreamer	if it's in the Asset definition stuff, then it should be default	09:04
@scrottie	I couldn't find any logic for handling 'defaultValue'... are those simply ignored?	09:04
+perlDreamer	it's passed to the Form plugin	09:04
@scrottie	er, in the context of the M::M::Attribute and the property definitions	09:05
+perlDreamer	yes, it's ignored	09:05
@scrottie	alright. I was confused as heck about why things were working as well as they were if so many were wrong.	09:05
+perlDreamer	working fine, but not providing anything useful to the object attribute	09:05
+perlDreamer	that's why I switched a bunch of them to default :)	09:05
@scrottie	heh	09:05
+perlDreamer	unfortunately, while hand fixing 65 packages, I didn't always remember to go back and do them uniformly	09:06
@scrottie	yeah.	09:06
+perlDreamer	I did, however, start a script to bulk convert sub description into WebGUI::Definition::Asset code	09:07
@scrottie	sub definition you mean?	09:07
+perlDreamer	yeah	09:08
@scrottie	interesting. but wasn't the bulk of this already done by hand?	09:08
+perlDreamer	no	09:08
+perlDreamer	the script helps with formatting and bulk conversion work	09:08
+perlDreamer	but special cases like options, sub refs, etc have to still be done by hand	09:08
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/520426	09:09
+perlDreamer	I call it moosify	09:09
+perlDreamer	and I run it as a filter in vim, passing it the i18n namespace	09:09
@scrottie	yow. I'd have taken the PPI route or something.	09:11
+perlDreamer	it's just a little filter	09:11
+perlDreamer	you should have seen the 1-liners from the 6.9 series	09:11
+perlDreamer	coverting i18n	09:12
+perlDreamer	and removing global session objects	09:12
+perlDreamer	and changing from numeric Ids to GUIDs	09:12
+perlDreamer	everything is merged and syntax clean	09:17
+perlDreamer	now, does it really work?	09:17
* scrottie flips a coin		09:21
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+perlDreamer	well, it doesn't really work	09:43
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@scrottie	=(	09:51
+perlDreamer	we'll make ryuu_ro fix it	09:51
+perlDreamer	he's married now, and has tons of extra time on his hands	09:52
ryuu_ro	well good morning to you too :)	09:52
@scrottie	hrm. in /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm, it was doing my $template = $f->getTab('display')->getField('templateId') so it could diddle some options in there. $template was coming back undef. changing it to this makes it not undef again: my $template = $f->getTab('properties')->getField('templateId');	10:12
@scrottie	before I commit this "fix", should that field have jumped tabs like that?	10:12
+perlDreamer	I don't know	10:12
+perlDreamer	I'd check the version history of that section of code with git blame	10:13
@scrottie	I tried to figure out how the thing decided which tab to add it to and came up blank.	10:13
@scrottie	alright, cool.	10:13
+perlDreamer	in the property call, there should be a tab => 'some_tab', field	10:13
@scrottie	"fix $name_of_function_changes_are_in" is not a helpful commit message.	10:15
+perlDreamer	is that a general comment, or am I guilty of something?	10:15
* scrottie glares at preaction		10:15
@scrottie	ooh, no, YOU aren't guilty.	10:15
+perlDreamer	not _this_ time ;)	10:16
@scrottie	teehee	10:16
@scrottie	most of my recent commits should just be titled "make the error message go away".	10:16
@scrottie	it would be nice if WebGUI/FormBuilder/Role/HasFields.pm had a getTab method that recursed through the tabs under it looking for the field so you didn't have to hard-code paths to fields. small potatoes in the scheme of things I guess.	10:18
+perlDreamer	well, be sure you note which error message it was, or scrottie may get mad at you later for having a vague commit message	10:18
+perlDreamer	okay, I just went past 18 hours today	10:27
+perlDreamer	I'll have to finish merge fixing tomorrow	10:27
+perlDreamer	'night, all	10:27
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7d41ade / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm : WebGUI::Asset::File::Image::getEditForm counts on having the templateId tab be under the 'display' tab so lock it down to there. - http://bit.ly/b4Rojv	10:27
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CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r8f616a9 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm : addField takes the key/value pairs unrolled, not as a hash ref. - http://bit.ly/9UZAoa	10:49
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r773fadc / (2 files in 2 dirs): Pass empty JSON for icalFeeds field in Calendar until I can get good sample data; makes Calendar Test::Asset tests pass. - http://bit.ly/aDGvUy	12:09
@scrottie	I had the most confusing bug-hunting session on that one... I was specifying empty JSON of '[]' but, in fetching form parameters, it was coming back with a string of the form "ARRAY(0xdeadbeef)". I was convinced my "[]" was being eval'd somewhere but it wasn't. the codepath was just different than I expected and something else was initializing it with [].	12:16
@scrottie	I thought the universe was imploding there.	12:16
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r2d1dcf2 / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Default postProcessMergedProperties in case our child class doesn't have one. Oops. - http://bit.ly/cyTJbQ	12:37
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+MrHairgrease	howdy!	17:07
+MrHairgrease	can I consider storing country in the addressbook (and the country form plugin for that matter) with fullname instead of ISO land codes a bug?	17:08
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+perlDreamer	preaction: we've been slighted	18:07
+perlDreamer	freshmeat rejected the 7.9.12 release notice, saying that since we had one on Wednesday they're too close together	18:07
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+perlDreamer	does anyone know if Moose attribute triggers are called as methods, or if they just receive $self?	19:08
+MrHairgrease	I think they are called as normal functions	19:08
+MrHairgrease	oh	19:10
+MrHairgrease	I'm wrong	19:10
+MrHairgrease	The trigger is called after an attribute's value is set. It is called as a method on the object, and receives the new and old values as its arguments.	19:10
+perlDreamer	hm, then I must be having a Role problem	19:11
+MrHairgrease	You do pass a subref to you trigger def, don you?	19:11
+perlDreamer	yes	19:12
+perlDreamer	and that's the problem	19:12
+perlDreamer	it's a reference to the current subroutine	19:13
+perlDreamer	so by the time it gets to Asset/File.pm, it can't be fixed	19:13
+perlDreamer	I'll have to provide a wrapper for each one...	19:13
+perlDreamer	and then override _that_ in the Role	19:13
+MrHairgrease	hmm	19:15
+MrHairgrease	seems like it's being called as a normal function:	19:15
+MrHairgrease	if ($self->has_trigger) { $self->trigger->($instance, $value, @old); }	19:15
+MrHairgrease	sorry for the garbled crap	19:16
+perlDreamer	I'm fluent in garbled crap	19:16
+perlDreamer	we have history, dude	19:16
+MrHairgrease	anyway, that's in Moose::Meta::Attribute::set_value	19:16
+MrHairgrease	If I understand correctly, you want to be able to override the sub the trigger set to?	19:18
+perlDreamer	yes	19:18
+perlDreamer	I did this...	19:18
+perlDreamer	http://gist.github.com/521227	19:18
+perlDreamer	which seems evil, but works	19:19
+MrHairgrease	would an after method modifier do the job for you?	19:19
+perlDreamer	after gets called whenever the method is accessed	19:20
+perlDreamer	for write or read	19:20
+MrHairgrease	yeah, that's true	19:23
+MrHairgrease	what about overriding the attribute in the subclass with the + notation?	19:24
+MrHairgrease	could that work?	19:24
+perlDreamer	you can't override triggers	19:24
+perlDreamer	I just looked that up ;)	19:24
+MrHairgrease	hehe	19:25
+MrHairgrease	great minds...	19:25
+perlDreamer	I can only aspire to your engineering greatness	19:25
+MrHairgrease	my guess would be that your best bet is sending an email to the moose list	19:25
+perlDreamer	yeah, or maybe #moose	19:26
+MrHairgrease	or i could probably write a trait	19:26
+perlDreamer	or, at some point, frodwith will wake up and say something	19:26
@frodwith	whaa	19:26
+perlDreamer	frodwith, I want an overridable trigger in a Moose attribute	19:27
+perlDreamer	and a pony	19:27
+MrHairgrease	everybody wants a pony	19:27
+perlDreamer	functional solution: http://gist.github.com/521227	19:27
+perlDreamer	bug seems bugly	19:27
+MrHairgrease	that's just unnice	19:28
+perlDreamer	yes, bugly eq 'butt ugly' =~ s/tt //;	19:28
@frodwith	step back with me for a moment	19:28
@frodwith	and tell me what we're trying to accomplish.	19:28
@frodwith	high level, no reference to triggers :-p	19:29
+perlDreamer	assets have ownerUserId, groupIdView and groupIdEdit properties	19:29
+perlDreamer	if the asset also has a storageId, the .wgaccess file in the storage location tracks those properties	19:29
+perlDreamer	in the past, that was done via overriding update	19:29
+perlDreamer	now that we have Moose, update may not be called	19:30
+perlDreamer	so I want to tie the updating of that .wgaccess file directly to the attributes	19:30
@frodwith	so, whenever someone sets storageId, update the .wgaccess file	19:30
+perlDreamer	no	19:30
+perlDreamer	whenever some sets ownerUserId, groupIdView, groupIdEdit	19:31
@frodwith	oh	19:31
@frodwith	ok	19:31
@frodwith	-if- it has a storagid	19:31
@frodwith	and they set those thing	19:31
@frodwith	*things	19:31
+perlDreamer	yes, and do it in a way so that I only have say 1 thing to get it done	19:32
@frodwith	ahahhh, and triggers can't be overridden	19:32
@frodwith	-I- see.	19:32
+perlDreamer	so I wrapped a method call in a sub	19:32
+perlDreamer	and I can override the method call	19:32
+perlDreamer	with a Role	19:32
+MrHairgrease	perlDreamer	19:32
+MrHairgrease	nm	19:32
+MrHairgrease	I just came up with the same wrapper you did.	19:33
+perlDreamer	You're a genius!	19:33
@frodwith	trigger => sub { $_[0]->niceOverridableMethod }	19:33
@frodwith	?	19:33
+MrHairgrease	that would prolly work	19:33
+perlDreamer	that's kind of what I did, without the explicit wrapper	19:34
+MrHairgrease	it's in effect the same thing perldreamer came up with	19:34
@frodwith	nod	19:34
+MrHairgrease	there you have it again	19:34
+MrHairgrease	great minds...	19:34
+MrHairgrease	=)	19:34
@frodwith	so	19:34
@frodwith	why don't we like it	19:34
+perlDreamer	seems awkward	19:34
+perlDreamer	it's better without the explicit wrapper sub	19:35
@frodwith	if we had	19:35
@frodwith	trigger => 'niceOverridableMethod'	19:35
+MrHairgrease	I wouldn't mind that much	19:35
@frodwith	would it still seem awkard?	19:35
@frodwith	awkward, either	19:35
+perlDreamer	no	19:35
+perlDreamer	it would be better	19:35
@frodwith	so trigger => sub { $_[0]->method } is just a funny way of writing that	19:36
@frodwith	not so bad	19:36
+MrHairgrease	especially considreing you already have to wrap every ref in a sub ref anyway	19:36
+MrHairgrease	it's looks pretty moosi to me	19:36
@frodwith	it's like the builder / default dichotomy	19:37
+perlDreamer	exactly	19:37
@frodwith	builder => 'foo' is just a funny way to write default => sub { shift->foo }	19:37
@frodwith	it wouldn't be -terribly- hard to add to moose, actually. I wonder if the moose cabal would approve.	19:38
@frodwith	it'd make an easy MooseX:: too	19:38
@frodwith	MooseX::TriggerMethods	19:38
+perlDreamer	except that I think you can override builder methods (as strings) more easily than wrapping the subs	19:39
@frodwith	or so	19:39
+perlDreamer	personally, I like the strings better	19:39
@frodwith	oh, yes, they're certainly easier to read	19:39
@frodwith	but the same thing is going on	19:39
+perlDreamer	well, no	19:40
+perlDreamer	the sub refs can't be overridden	19:40
+perlDreamer	the strings can, since they go through MRO	19:40
@frodwith	no, but if all they're doing is calling a method	19:40
@frodwith	and the method can be overridden	19:40
@frodwith	good times are had by all	19:40
+perlDreamer	wrappers are good for candy bars	19:41
@frodwith	I don't understand why we're talking about wrappers	19:41
+perlDreamer	that extra anonymous sub	19:41
@frodwith	you know it's funny	19:43
@frodwith	if they just did...	19:43
@frodwith	$object->$trigger($old, $new)	19:43
@frodwith	it could be a string or a subref	19:43
@frodwith	I wonder what they -are- doing	19:43
+MrHairgrease	ok. I'd say send an email to the moose list or drop the question at #moose, and see if they have a nicer solution	19:43
+perlDreamer	if it's a subref, it's a reference to a particular subroutine. Is that still overridable?	19:44
SDuensin	Hello at last!	19:44
@frodwith	no	19:45
@frodwith	but i mean	19:45
@frodwith	all the behavior is in the method	19:45
@frodwith	the subref just calls the method, which accomplishes the same thing	19:45
+MrHairgrease	anyway... gotta go. see you guys later	19:45
@frodwith	as if you had a methond name there	19:45
@frodwith	wave MrHairgrease	19:46
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@frodwith	oh but I see why you made it a sub on its own	19:47
@frodwith	cause you have to do it to three different attributes	19:47
+perlDreamer	yes, that's not ideal, either	19:47
+perlDreamer	since if you update all 3 attributes, it writes the file three times	19:48
@frodwith	well it has to, doesn't it?	19:48
@frodwith	i mean, it doesn't know you're going to set these seperately	19:48
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+perlDreamer	in the old, override-update way of doing it, it checked all three and just wrote once	19:49
+perlDreamer	It'll be slower, but I only had to write the code once	19:49
+perlDreamer	and it's not done all that often	19:49
@frodwith	i guess you could keep around a "is wgaccess dirty" state	19:49
@frodwith	no but i suppose it'd still be dirty	19:49
@frodwith	bah.	19:49
+perlDreamer	yeah, it's better than it was	19:50
+perlDreamer	I need a few hours to build a prepareView Role, too	19:50
+perlDreamer	I'm tired of seeing the same 12 lines scattered through 30 different files	19:50
@frodwith	I'm tired of writing them	19:51
+perlDreamer	wouldn't it be nice to say: with 'WebGUI::Role::Asset::PrepareView'	19:51
@frodwith	I think it's kind of funny that "port to Moose" has partially turned into "oh, and refactor everything too"	19:51
@frodwith	good! but funny :)	19:52
+perlDreamer	some of it was forced, because overriding update is bad	19:52
+perlDreamer	it all started with Role::Asset::AlwaysHidden	19:52
+perlDreamer	I also tried to get Wobject split into 2 Roles	19:53
+perlDreamer	one for Database Collateral, and one for Asset-y kind of stuff	19:53
+perlDreamer	but it was pointed out that time is short, and work is large	19:53
@frodwith	how's this: update_wgAccess or whatever only gets called if updating_right_now isn't set. Update sets updating_right_now before calling all those attributes, and then calls update_wgAccess on its own.	19:54
@frodwith	that way it wouldn't be slower for the update case	19:54
+perlDreamer	phone, brb	19:55
+perlDreamer	that's not a bad idea	19:56
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Haarg	frodwith, perlDreamer, re: wgaccess	21:22
Haarg	shouldn't it only be written by ->write ?	21:22
+perlDreamer	what if it didn't change?	21:23
Haarg	you could have the trigger stuff to track if it is dirty	21:23
+perlDreamer	so, we around write and check there?	21:24
Haarg	yeah	21:24
Haarg	honestly it might make sense to have properties track their dirty state all the time	21:24
Haarg	could prove useful elsewhere	21:25
+perlDreamer	it would make for smaller writes	21:25
Haarg	MooseX::TrackDirty::Attributes	21:26
Haarg	probably wouldn't want to use that but might be a useful reference	21:29
Haarg	fixFilenames is vulnerable	21:37
Haarg	the regex isn't bound to the end of the string	21:37
Haarg	blah.pm.pm will be renamed to blah_pm.txt.pm	21:37
+perlDreamer	is that a valid Module name?	21:38
+perlDreamer	can I use it?	21:38
Haarg	the new pluggable will reject it	21:38
+perlDreamer	that's an answer to a different question	21:38
Haarg	use is a compile time function so how it acts isn't relevant	21:39
Haarg	pluggable works with filenames	21:40
Haarg	it will now reject anything other than word characters, so it won't allow you to load a filename like that	21:41
+perlDreamer	I can't use it, or require it, so whether Pluggable is used or not, it won't work	21:42
Haarg	with the new pluggable, correct	21:42
Haarg	so not really vulnerable on its own	21:42
+perlDreamer	you can "do" it, but it doesn't seem to do anything	21:43
Haarg	either do or require would execute it	21:43
+perlDreamer	I think you should try it	21:44
Haarg	try what?	21:44
+perlDreamer	because I can't get it to do anything bad	21:44
+perlDreamer	make some file, Blah_pm.txt.pm	21:44
+perlDreamer	and try and put some code in it	21:44
+perlDreamer	then try to use, require or do that file in another script	21:44
+perlDreamer	ah, there we go	21:45
+perlDreamer	do won't do it	21:45
+perlDreamer	but require will	21:45
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/521466	21:47
+perlDreamer	I'll file a bug that we need to anchor the regex	21:49
@scrottie	http://gist.github.com/521485 ... www_editSave, the way the code is written, will always create a new VersionTag when updating an existing asset. is this the correct behavior? it seems to match what 7.x does. the test has different ideas about the matter.	21:56
Haarg	it should only do that if getAutoCommitWorkflowId returns a workflow id	21:57
Haarg	which it usually won't	21:57
Haarg	in 7 at least	21:58
@scrottie	hrm. okay, it is. I assumed it always did. maybe it should be named getAutoCommitWorkflowIdSometimes =)	21:58
@scrottie	autoCommitId is ``pbworkflow000000000003'' at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm line 97.	21:58
Haarg	there's a lot of stuff wrong with the design of that stuff	21:58
@scrottie	yeah, I've been putting off dealing with the broken asset versioning tests. the hodge-podgeness of it makes discerning reason behind it difficult.	21:59
Haarg	what kind of asset are you dealing with?	21:59
@scrottie	anyway, thank you. that's helpful. there's always a wrong premise in these "why won't" questions.	22:00
+perlDreamer	scrottie, be sure to run coverage on whatever test changes you make	22:00
+perlDreamer	those tests were written by the people who altered the version tag modes to check lots of stuff	22:00
@scrottie	run coverage on the changes? please explain. I guess I'm still operating in the mental mode where the tests blow up a few tests in and abort, so there was effectively zero coverage before.	22:01
@scrottie	but if I start rigging tests to pass and the I note the change in coverage, that could be useful.	22:02
@scrottie	and the I...	22:02
* scrottie sighs		22:02
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	22:02
+perlDreamer	but, if you remove a bunch of stuff to make "unbroken tests", that would be bad	22:02
@scrottie	yeah, no. cases where I have to cheat to make tests pass, people will be let know. I haven't gotten to that point on this and if I do, it'll at least go into the commit comments. the one case that really stands out there is comparing Form objects to what getProperties come back with.	22:03
+perlDreamer	before it's committed, bring it up someplace so we don't have to count on someone reading commit comments or code comments and fix stuff	22:04
+perlDreamer	there's no need to commit stuff that you know to be bad	22:04
@scrottie	those match sometimes but lots of them don't with lots of random added or missing things. that's going to take some kind of massaging it looks like. enumerating the differences in the test sublcasses is the only fix I can think of.	22:04
@scrottie	alright. yeah, I agree. that's why I bring this up now.	22:04
* perlDreamer waits for preaction to chime in and tell me I'm completely off base		22:06
* scrottie chuckles		22:06
@scrottie	if that happens, I'll argue the point. if there's no consensus on how even this small amount of the API should work, we're hosed.	22:07
@scrottie	if the methods should just "do whatever" and the tests should just "expect whatever", this is useless.	22:07
+perlDreamer	that's the problem though, it's small but incredibly complex and entangled	22:08
+perlDreamer	and maybe you could clarify "expect whatever" with a specific example?	22:08
@scrottie	if I take whatever gets returned from an API call and then mindlessly, without understand the significance of it, hard-code the test to expect that, I'm not really checking that the API works in any particular way.	22:09
Haarg	the entangled bit is the nasty part. in the name of making things easier for developers various parts have gotten really nasty and end up not being very good for developers after all.	22:09
+perlDreamer	if you're writing tests that way, you're right, the tests are broken	22:09
+perlDreamer	if you don't understand it, it's not the time to test it	22:10
@scrottie	I guess it goes back to scientific method... you devise a test that will reliably distinguish two different cases, and then you test your test by predicting what your test should come back with, then you run your test and see if the result matches the expected output.	22:10
@scrottie	if you do anything else, you're just using mucking about to trick yourself.	22:10
+perlDreamer	scrottie, assuming that the existing tests do that would be wrong.	22:11
@scrottie	correct.	22:11
@scrottie	afk a few to eat some random fried things wrapped in a tortilla.	22:12
@scrottie	by the way, when talk about committing garbage, I'm just being self deprecating. I'm not actually planning on committing garbage on purpose.	22:41
@scrottie	er, when I talk about	22:42
@scrottie	Haarg, re: what kind of asset are you dealing with?, oops, missed the question the first time through. all of 'em! I initially started passing skipAutoCommitWorkflows to addRevision() as was being done in the calls to addChild() but being told that getAutoCommitWorkflowId() should generally not return true cast doubt upon whether that's a fix or just masking a problem. but some assets continued to suffer... Test::WebGUI::Asset::Story, WebG	23:08
@scrottie	UI::Asset::MapPoint, perhaps others. those redefine getAutoCommitWorkflowId() in their subclasses.	23:08
@scrottie	I have the test rigged to skip if grepping the stash of the asset's package turns up a 'getAutoCommitWorkflowId' entry.	23:09
@scrottie	that's hackish. I should make the Test::Class subclasses return true from a method call if the corresponding asset is known to redefine getAutoCommitWorkflowId(). but the experiment worked.	23:10
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CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rf1fe99a / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : Use super() instead of SUPER. - http://bit.ly/ddsig1	23:19
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rf51ef19 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm :	23:19
CIA-60	webgui: 'getStoryRichEdit' was never implemented and there is no 'parent' method.	23:19
CIA-60	webgui: This was commented out in 7.x and apparently got uncommented without being implemented (which is okay but I've gotta comment it out again... it's gotta be done).	23:19
CIA-60	webgui: The StoryForm field does richEditId => $archive->richEditorId. Perhaps this is the desired approach? - http://bit.ly/cfNYw4	23:19
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, that's exactly the kind of stuff I was talking about	23:20
@scrottie	am I being naughty?	23:20
+perlDreamer	incautious	23:20
@scrottie	I'm not sure about that. I did a lot of footwork first.	23:21
+perlDreamer	getStoryRichEdit should most likely be $self->getParent->richEditorId	23:21
@scrottie	the test only fails because that was blowing up, and all it does is call two methods that don't exist and never existed.	23:21
@scrottie	maybe it should be that, but whoever translated from 7.x to 8 "translated" that by uncommenting code that was commented out.	23:22
@scrottie	regardless, you did not have to "dig through patches" to be alerted.	23:22
@scrottie	and in no way did I lessen test coverage to get the test to pass.	23:22
@scrottie	my ignorance of the API is not helping me here though. that I'll concede.	23:23
+perlDreamer	technically, I did dig through patches to get that	23:23
+perlDreamer	if I didn't try to review every commit made, I wouldn't have seen it	23:23
@scrottie	right, but you didn't have to dig through the patch to be alerted to it.	23:23
+perlDreamer	the commit comment was very thorough, and that helped point out to me that there was a problem with that patch	23:24
@scrottie	the commit message raising red flags was nearly as good as my saying something and I think that, given the circumstances (which I've outlined), it was an appropriate level of caution. if the test needed something more than code not blowing up to pass, I would have asked.	23:24
@scrottie	anyway, perhaps I was wrong, but it looked to me like a pretty clear cut case of code being accidentally uncommented and nothing more.	23:25
@scrottie	I'm feeling argumentitive today. that's a clear sign I need fresh air. I've been putting off going to the laundromat for... oh, a month. I might have to nip out and do that.	23:25
@scrottie	I promise you, I will continue to try to operate with a high level of caution. but I will make mistakes also.	23:26
@scrottie	I've got another little snafu here that makes me nervous... I want to test some of this stuff in the admin UI, but a lot of that isn't working correctly. it's kind of a chicken and egg thing. I have this fear that if I do something that should be sane like that ($self->getParent->richEditorId), that even if tests pass, it'll do something really bizarre to the UI.	23:29
@scrottie	so I'm trying to be conservative in that regard too. ignorance brings about fear.	23:29
+perlDreamer	there's a lot of brokenness in the 8 right now	23:30
+perlDreamer	that's for sure	23:30
@scrottie	( perl /data/WebGUI/t/run_asset.t 2>&1 ) > run_asset10.txt ... I have to wait for that to run before I can test your suggested change... I think I'll hit the laundromat, test your fix (for not blowing up-ness at least) and then push that. so please be patient.	23:30
* perlDreamer isn't expecting anything immediate		23:31
+perlDreamer	I'm tied up with support and broken Post comitting myself	23:31
@scrottie	cool. just didn't want you to think me being slow was passive aggressiveness. it's hard to tell with digitized communications some times.	23:31
@scrottie	it's such a problem that I try hard to be only overtly aggressive. cuts down on confusion.	23:33
@scrottie	if I don't make it as a programmer, I think I'll take some Cisco and RedHat certification classes.	23:33
@khenn	is there a way to tell git to cherry-pick all of the revisions up to the current one for a particular file?	23:35
@khenn	I have a file that I've updated many many times over the past two months and I finally want to cherry pick it into another branch	23:35
@scrottie	git merge might be what you want...	23:36
@scrottie	does that do single files?	23:36
+perlDreamer	I thought it just did branches	23:36
+perlDreamer	but I don't know	23:37
+perlDreamer	man git-merge tells all :)	23:37
@scrottie	nm. yeah.	23:37
@scrottie	fire up kompare and manually move over changes visually, without the pleasure of git deltas?	23:38
@khenn	it's not a big deal	23:38
@khenn	I just thought there might be a quick way to do it	23:39
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@scrottie	# Looks like you failed 25 tests of 3950.	02:27
@scrottie	slowly, slowly...	02:27
+perlDreamer	hang in there, scottie!	02:27
+perlDreamer	you've made more progress than me today	02:27
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@scrottie	I haven't had to do any support work...	02:30
+perlDreamer	I did 1 request today	02:31
+perlDreamer	it looks like changing the .wgaccess stuff in Asset.pm may have broken the Post commit chain	02:32
+perlDreamer	if so, I should be able to back out that change, commit the merge, and then fix it again	02:32
+perlDreamer	that would be nice	02:32
@scrottie	well, aside from being on at a reasonable hour, today might be shortish again for me today. there's something I should go to this evening.	02:33
@scrottie	third time's the charm!	02:33
+perlDreamer	laundromat? :)	02:33
@scrottie	nope, just got back from there... took forever to find places to hang everything up.	02:33
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@scrottie	I've been dealing with a guy to have shirts made who is a bit of a Luddite... reads his email once a week, no PayPal, no cell phone... the only way to really find him is to go by the bike co-op on art night.	02:34
@scrottie	I've been chasing about with him for ages. I keep not being in town, etc.	02:34
@scrottie	even then, he does things like locks himself in the shop before its open, leaves when someone shows up, waits until half an hour after its closed again, comes back... so you have to leave him notes.	02:35
+perlDreamer	he must make great shirts	02:35
@scrottie	this guy takes the cranky cake.	02:35
@scrottie	well, printing an arbitrary number, doing the artwork, making the screen was $50.	02:36
@scrottie	and the detail is fantastic. he does amazing work, to my uneducated eye.	02:36
@scrottie	if I can catch up with him earlier rather than later, I should be able to get myself back online from Tempe.	02:38
+perlDreamer	somehow, I just blew away all the work	02:44
+perlDreamer	in git	02:44
+perlDreamer	crap	02:45
* scrottie frowns		02:46
@scrottie	blew it away in a way where it isn't in some detached branch?	02:46
+perlDreamer	ah, good call!	02:49
+perlDreamer	the merge is committed	02:49
+perlDreamer	but I can't pull any new changes in	02:49
+perlDreamer	when it does, it tells me I have a merge conflict in Shop/TransactionItem.pm	02:49
@scrottie	well, I stuck at git, but if you want to tell me about the state of things, I'll listen.	02:49
+perlDreamer	but when I fix it, it doesn't see it	02:49
@scrottie	at least.	02:49
+perlDreamer	I edit the file, resolve the merge, add it	02:49
+perlDreamer	then try to rebase	02:49
+perlDreamer	and it doesn't see it	02:50
@scrottie	ugh... there are a few magic commands... "git rebase --continue" is one	02:50
@scrottie	to tell it to finish doing the thing it was doing when it hit a conflict	02:50
+perlDreamer	yup, git pull; vim someFile; git add someFile; git rebase continue	02:50
+perlDreamer	then :"No changes - did you forget to use 'git add'?"	02:51
@scrottie	when I get terminally confused (or git is confused, I'm not sure which), I just roll back then start cherry-picking.	02:51
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nuba	tavisto: hi Tavis, I'm helping organizing YAPC::Brasil 2010 (www.yapcbrasil.org.br) and was wondering if you guys wouldn't be interested in sending someone to talk about WebGUI	06:55
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scrottie0	cheers to you for holding a YAPC.	11:22
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scrottie0	http://use.perl.org/~pudge/journal/40493 ... if we wait long enough, we can have some perl site to migrate to WebGUI. they're having a fire sale on 'em.	12:48
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xootom	hi all, seem to have a bug in one of my sites where a collaboration system with default submission template and 5 attachments is showing the same thumbnail for each, even though clicking through shows the correct photo, has anyone else had this?	16:28
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SDuensin	FrIdAy! Made it!	16:47
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+MrHairgrease	w00t	18:53
+MrHairgrease	PayPal ExpressCheckout almost has recurring billing support	18:54
+MrHairgrease	!	18:54
+MrHairgrease	When dev on 7.10 begins I'll push the changes	18:54
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ckotil	nice	20:03
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scrottie0	stupid X locking up...	21:19
+perlDreamer	scrottie, I have an interim merge done of master into 8	21:52
+perlDreamer	it's up until 7.9.11	21:52
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7b21894 / (81 files in 31 dirs): Merge commit '63865eb39f5dd86b1b868b586787b0539f64525a' into WebGUI8. up to 7.9.11 - http://bit.ly/9YFEI8	21:53
+perlDreamer	it has extra failing tests, t/Asset/File.t, t/Execution/app.t, t/app/PSGI.t, and t/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.t	21:53
+perlDreamer	these will be fixed by the next merge, which I'm going to start now	21:53
* scrottie0 nods		21:57
scrottie0	awesome.	21:57
+perlDreamer	I tried everything, and I could not get it to pull after that merge	22:03
+perlDreamer	so I ended up blowing away the original work, and doing it in 2 chunks	22:03
scrottie0	hrm.	22:11
+perlDreamer	yay! Merge all done	22:25
+perlDreamer	there is one unresolved file	22:25
+perlDreamer	t/Asset/File.t	22:25
+perlDreamer	when I fix Asset.pm, it ends up breaking 5 Post tests	22:26
scrottie0	define "fix"	22:26
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3e8e2d4 / (36 files in 16 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8. Merged up to 7.9.12 - http://bit.ly/ay8sWd	22:26
+perlDreamer	it's the subroutine wrapping stuff from yesterday? About writing the .wgaccess files via a Role	22:26
scrottie0	ah	22:27
+perlDreamer	for some reason I haven't tracked down, the writing of the .wgaccess file causes the parent thread of a Post to go from approved, to pending (uncommitted)	22:30
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r113f9d4 / t/run_asset.t : Restore file deleted from repo, t/run_asset.t - http://bit.ly/c3kVgF	22:32
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+SynQ	and so solaris dies	23:30
+perlDreamer	eh, that's just a rumor	23:31
+SynQ	no it isn't	23:31
+SynQ	http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/08/13/1850232/The-Future-of-OpenSolaris-Revealed	23:31
+SynQ	proof!	23:31
+SynQ	perlDreamer: do you still think it is a rumor?	23:35
+perlDreamer	that's a leaked memo	23:35
+SynQ	agreed	23:35
* perlDreamer is old, grumpy and skeptical		23:35
+SynQ	opensolaris is frozen for a long time now	23:36
+SynQ	at least (if anything) this memo, if it's true, will bring clarity about where oracle stands towards solaris	23:36
+SynQ	but if Solaris 11 comes at an Oracle price it's not going to be for me anytime soon	23:37
+SynQ	I was never a big fan of Solaris	23:37
+perlDreamer	I like it better than HPUX	23:37
+SynQ	having been forced to copile perl on it way back in 1997/1998	23:38
+SynQ	HPUX 11 was way better to compile perl on than Solaris 6 was :)	23:38
+SynQ	since then I have moved to real open systems	23:38
+SynQ	I have even moved away from RedHat way back when they killed the 'open' version in 2001	23:39
+perlDreamer	if openSolaris does go away, it would be nice if they'd release the patents	23:39
+SynQ	it doesn't go away	23:39
+SynQ	it will just not really be open	23:39
* perlDreamer should read the memo		23:39
+SynQ	inded	23:39
+SynQ	indeed	23:39
+SynQ	and I need a better (less crappy) keyboard	23:40
+SynQ	I keep missing stokes	23:40
scrottie0	I'm sure you've seen the flurry of media about Oracle suing Google for Google's use of Oracles patented, copyrighted Java technology in Google's smartphones.	23:40
scrottie0	given that, and given Oracle's past behavior, that would seem unlikely.	23:41
@preaction	oracle: struggling to be relevant in an open-source world	23:41
scrottie0	Ellison made life hell for people trying to admin Oracle when he stood up and declared there to be no remote exploits in Oracle.	23:42
scrottie0	for that act of hubris, dbas were punished.	23:43
@preaction	nice. just paint a target why don't you?	23:43
+SynQ	I'd say oracle is not struggling at all	23:44
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@preaction	not financially, but for relevance. everyone i know shudders at "I have an Oracle database"	23:45
+SynQ	as I see it there are now only 4 real 'OS' vendors for the server market left: Microsoft, Apple, Oracle and RedHat	23:45
scrottie0	Freescale, a Motorola spin off, still makes the 68k line. they're up to 800mhz. I have this ambition to start a Unix vendor selling pizza box workstations based around the 68k CPU, just like SGI, HP (indirectly through Apollo), NCR, Apple (A/UX before NeXT and Mach), Sun, and so many before.	23:45
+SynQ	which scares me	23:45
+SynQ	and I'm going to put my bets on RedHat	23:45
+SynQ	at least they have a proven open-source policy	23:45
scrottie0	Cobalt Qube was MIPS (originally). the only reason that vanished was Sun bought them and killed them.	23:48
scrottie0	when Microsoft announced NT, they tried to get the Unix providers to sign on. SGI swore they'd hop on the bandwagon. Microsoft was promising easier management than Unix, getting rid of their in-house development costs, etc. basicallly, join us or we'll crush you. Sun was the only major vendor to strongly reassure their customers that Solaris would continue. this proved to be a huge boon for them.	23:49
scrottie0	the Unix market largely killed themselves... between being inaccessible, closed, incompat, and just failing to even commit to their customers that they would have a future.	23:50
CIA-60	webgui: Paul Driver master * r890a94d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm): Stop realtime run on deleted wf instances - http://bit.ly/d15ZKo	23:52
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+perlDreamer	frodwith, did you have to do that right after I merged?	23:59
--- Day changed Sat Aug 14 2010
@frodwith	did I break something?	00:00
+perlDreamer	no, but I just merged _everything_ into 8	00:00
+perlDreamer	now it's everything-1	00:00
@frodwith	:-x	00:00
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@preaction	i am now officially tired of trying to override www_ methods and having it be an exercise in futility and causing code duplication... i will be fixing this after the WUC	00:10
+SynQ	ah	00:10
@preaction	but opinion from the peanut gallery: An asset edit form should not care where it will be saved to, correct?	00:11
@preaction	if the default asset edit form already fills in where it will be saved to (with an action URL and a func hidden element), it can't be directly dropped into another form	00:12
@preaction	is this a behavior we'd like to keep?	00:12
+SynQ	what ever happened to OpenID in webgui?	00:13
@preaction	SynQ: it isn't possible to have more than one active, visitor-enabled auth method in WebGUI	00:14
@preaction	until 7.9 at least	00:14
+SynQ	7.9 is stable isn't it?	00:14
@preaction	and even 7.9 has caveats: so far the Twitter-based auth bypasses profile creation restraints	00:14
@preaction	yes	00:14
+SynQ	so it's not possible?	00:14
+SynQ	it wouldn't work?	00:14
@preaction	JT has also expressed interest in creating a Facebook-based auth for me	00:14
@preaction	no, it is NOW, it wasn't back when it was created	00:15
+SynQ	ah	00:15
@preaction	so the code out there in the bazaar which I never got to work might be able to be added soon	00:15
+SynQ	I'm looking over the 'feature requests' page	00:15
@preaction	i never got the one there to work, otherwise it'd already be in	00:15
+SynQ	what surprises me	00:16
@frodwith	i don't think i understand your question preaction	00:16
@preaction	frodwith: which one? the one about asset edit forms requiring you to fill in data about where it will be submitted?	00:16
@frodwith	yeah that one	00:17
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+SynQ	is that of the first 25 requests at the top of the page only 4 have been submitted in 2010	00:17
+SynQ	and none are younger then 3 months	00:17
@preaction	a lot of karma have been contributed to older ones	00:18
+SynQ	you mean: not a lot of karma have been contributed to the newer ones :)	00:19
@preaction	frodwith: why should a form assume or care about how it will be handled?	00:19
@frodwith	forms have actions	00:19
@preaction	frodwith: sure, once we know what we're doing with it. but that's the www_ method's job to know where it's going to be submitted	00:20
@frodwith	what is a form, in this context?	00:20
@preaction	the asset edit form	00:20
@frodwith	are we talking about rendered html, or some object?	00:20
@preaction	a WebGUI::FormBuilder object	00:20
+SynQ	I think it would be best if I go to bed now :)	00:20
@frodwith	night SynQ ^^	00:21
+SynQ	night frodwith, preaction	00:21
@preaction	night	00:21
+SynQ	~	00:21
@frodwith	so, one of Asset's methods is returning a FormBuilder	00:21
@preaction	yes	00:22
@frodwith	and it's already got it all filled out where it's supposed to be submitted to	00:22
@preaction	no, it doesn't	00:22
@frodwith	then I don't understand the dilemma	00:22
@preaction	but i'm having a problem: since www_ methods are impossible to extend (only override), i need the same boilerplate in every www_edit method	00:23
@frodwith	which boilerplate is that old bean?	00:23
@preaction	my $f = $self->getEditForm; # Add func hidden element; # add correct action URL;	00:24
@frodwith	soooooo how about a getFilledOutEditFormWithNeatHiddenElementsAndCorrectActionUrl	00:25
@frodwith	in the base class	00:25
@frodwith	camel case: it's more readable than underscores!	00:25
@preaction	getWwwEditForm! yeah that sounds good...	00:25
@preaction	and then it can be removed later when i fix www_ methods to be extensible by having an introspectable template object passed back	00:26
@frodwith	or left in	00:26
@frodwith	no one has ever complained about code being-too- well factored	00:26
@frodwith	when we rewrite everything in perl 6 for WebGUI 20, can we start using underscores	00:27
@frodwith	pretty please	00:27
scrottie0	oh yeah they do.	00:27
@preaction	no, never	00:27
@preaction	and i feel dirty writing getWwwEditForm and getWwwAddForm	00:27
scrottie0	have you seen some of this Java code where developers drop patterns like rappers drop F bombs?	00:27
scrottie0	use Code::Splice.	00:28
scrottie0	or better yet, Acme::ComeFrom.	00:29
@frodwith	they're working in Java, scrottie. It has all the expressive power of a hunk of rock.	00:29
@frodwith	they need their patterns.	00:29
scrottie0	they still get carried away and over do it.	00:30
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CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r156d4e2 / share/upgrades/7.9.12-8.0.0/pbtmplblankstyle000001.wgpkg : remove admin toggle from blank style - http://bit.ly/9php02	00:42
CIA-60	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6857ad6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm :	00:42
CIA-60	webgui: add www_edit boilerplate	00:42
CIA-60	webgui: This will be removed when forms can be directly added to	00:42
CIA-60	webgui: templates and template objects can be passed around. Finally www_	00:42
CIA-60	webgui: methods will be extendible! - http://bit.ly/cNcUgn	00:42
@preaction	why does MooseX::GetOpt rely on Mouse?	00:58
@preaction	oh, no, Text::XSlate relies on MouseX::GetOpt	00:58
@preaction	enjoyable...	00:59
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scrottie0	I've been getting a string of calls from 877 area code and prive numbers... I hope no one is actually trying to reach mome. more likely, it's election spam.	04:03
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scrottie0	c96e23f0 (JT Smith 2002-11-04 07:25:34 +0000 324) my ($value, $uiLevel) = rearrange([qw(value uiLevel)], @p);	09:27
scrottie0	rearrange() comes from CGI::Util(). it's undocumented.	09:28
scrottie0	or virtually undocumented.	09:28
scrottie0	how is it that people read through strange code in unrelated modules, understand convulted stuff like that, then later think, oh, that's exactly the routine I need to call to munge this data?	09:29
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scrottie0	http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/formbuilder.png	12:13
scrottie0	# Looks like you failed 13 tests of 3950.	12:53
scrottie0	http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/5c6064104f5372cd6db00e7b356c7548fec1b41e ... feedback requested on that design for implementing raw() in terms of WebGUI::FormBuilder. It seems adequately non-messy (the addition does) to me but perhaps it's unworkable or missing something. it needs tests. it needs HTML parsing tests built with Web::Scraper. I'll do that later, before I push to the plainblack repo. probably.	13:15
* scrottie0 &		13:16
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@preaction	scrottie0:I thought I had excised all the calls to ->raw, but looks like I missed a few. The problem is that raw() is a hack and a ReadOnly field does almost the same thing (and is just as much of a hack, but remains useful when not used for hacks).	17:04
@preaction	scrottie0: If you change the fields in the Carousel getEditForm from "raw" to "ReadOnly" they should just work (the "html" key will need to be "value" too).	17:04
Haarg	preaction, is there a reason fixWgaccess.pl manually sets the privileges instead of using ->setPrivileges ?	17:13
@preaction	Haarg: File->update doesn't use setPrivileges, and that's where i remembered the code coming from	17:23
@preaction	so no, no reason whatsoever	17:23
Haarg	i guess that's a separate bug then	17:25
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop master * r04c49fb / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/File.pm sbin/fixWgaccess.pl): use setPrivileges on files instead of doing it manually - http://bit.ly/bXO5c0	17:27
CIA-60	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rb7b633b / sbin/fixWgaccess.pl : update fixWgaccess.pl for WebGUI 8 - http://bit.ly/cP8ruA	17:28
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scrottie0	preaction, cool, thanks.	01:14
scrottie0	I might merge and push some stuff up later but I'm going to be mostly doing other things this weekend.	01:15
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r11ac13c / (12 files in 6 dirs): Prune out a method call from db->dbh->quote_identifier. - http://bit.ly/9EJFOJ	03:52
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguians	20:36
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r05c287c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Thingy add/edit via AJAX returned nothing useful, and lied about error status. Fixes bug #11781. - http://bit.ly/a06BvW	09:18
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8f7bbda / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixes bug #11780: anchor filename regex to the end of the string. - http://bit.ly/9OrJSg	09:24
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SDuensin	Morning.	16:09
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@preaction	it's a good WebGUI day!	18:45
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+perlDreamer	morning, everybody	18:50
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7976066 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm): Lookup file icon for all attachments, and thumbnail for all images. Fixes bug #11782. - http://bit.ly/9PJcUC	19:13
+perlDreamer	preaction: can you think of any good reason that Form/YesNo shouldn't be a sub class of Form/List.pm ?	19:19
+perlDreamer	and Form/RadioList specifically?	19:19
@preaction	List types return lists of values	19:19
+perlDreamer	unless they're RadioLists, or SelectBoxen	19:20
@preaction	then no	19:20
@preaction	perlDreamer: regarding that regression you just fixed, did you figure out what khenn's changed code was doing and why? i couldn't figure it out	19:38
@khenn	changed code where?	19:39
@preaction	in the Post asset, with the attachment loop generation	19:39
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11782	19:40
+perlDreamer	I think it was an overefficient check	19:40
+perlDreamer	it was meant to prevent trying to get the thumbnail for something that wasn't an image	19:41
@preaction	so it was a performance thing?	19:41
+perlDreamer	I think the performance part got mixed in with trying to call getThumbnailUrl on something that didn't have thumbnails	19:41
+perlDreamer	because that will throw an error	19:41
@preaction	could you write a test please?	19:42
+perlDreamer	you betcha!	19:42
@khenn	no	19:42
+perlDreamer	I can't write a test?	19:42
@khenn	it wasn't a performance thing	19:42
@khenn	if I recall correctly	19:42
@khenn	the stuff I did related to attachments in Post	19:42
@khenn	was to prevent empty, orphaned attachment folders from being created	19:43
+perlDreamer	khenn: git show 82e52fd8	19:44
+perlDreamer	that's the commit in question	19:44
@khenn	oh	19:51
@khenn	right	19:51
@khenn	this was something else	19:51
@khenn	I changed this code for exactly the reason it describes in my comment	19:52
@khenn	if you uploaded a ppt	19:52
@khenn	or word	19:52
@khenn	or anything that wasn't an image to a CS	19:52
@khenn	it would throw an error in the log	19:52
@khenn	same thing would happen if you uploaded an image that didn't have an icon	19:53
@khenn	so docx	19:53
@khenn	er not an image	19:53
@khenn	a file w/o an associated icon	19:53
+perlDreamer	yeah, because it would try to call getThumbnailUrl	19:53
@khenn	right	19:54
@khenn	I refactored some of the stuff	19:54
@khenn	so it wouldn't make multiple calls to isImage	19:54
+perlDreamer	preaction: http://gist.github.com/527301	20:07
+perlDreamer	how does that look?	20:08
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7c3d572 / t/Asset/Post.t : Add tests for attachment_loop handling in the Post. - http://bit.ly/aE229j	20:10
@preaction	perlDreamer: looks fine, thanks	20:10
+perlDreamer	do we have any projects to work on for the hackathon yet? Or is it itch scratching?	20:10
@preaction	probably itch-scratching, or we could knock out the top RFEs for 7.10	20:23
+perlDreamer	I like that idea, we haven't done top RFE's in a long time	20:24
@preaction	plus the openID one is actually possible now	20:24
@khenn	we could always finish the blog asset we started last year	20:30
@khenn	I still have my half finished aspect	20:30
@preaction	but it won't get finished, and if it gets "finished", it will be half-assed and then put into the core, causing problems and disillusionment from the users	20:32
@khenn	I was being facetious =p	20:34
@preaction	Haarg: would it be possible/good to change the author of extremely old commits in the git repo? someone's complaining they are incorrectly credited in the git commit	20:43
Haarg	it would mess up every checkout/branch	20:44
Haarg	which author is messed up?	20:45
@preaction	http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/acd3fded451dba51d996edcd504efa51f25785b4	20:47
@preaction	it says Randall Schwartz, it needs to be Randall Whitman	20:48
Haarg	wonder how that happened	20:49
@preaction	but also, yung isn't linked to his github, nor kaleb	20:49
Haarg	have examples of that?	20:50
@preaction	if we can do it, we can do it later when we have to close the repo for perltidy anyway	20:50
@preaction	http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commits?page=92	20:50
@preaction	]	20:50
Haarg	it's possible to change, but it will break every branch or checkout anyone has.	20:50
@preaction	which perltidy will do as well	20:50
Haarg	so anything that isn't on plainblack's github repo will be broken	20:50
Haarg	why would perltidy do that?	20:50
@preaction	from what i've been reading, they just have to rebase it	20:50
Haarg	possibly	20:51
Haarg	if they have merges they will get fucked	20:51
@preaction	if you've made a commit, and we've perltidied, the merge will conflict 90%	20:51
@preaction	i'll just tell him we can't do it for now	20:52
Haarg	some of the users i didn't get emails to use for their account so i just used user@webgui-svn	20:53
@preaction	ahh, so that's probably how github links it	20:53
Haarg	yes	20:53
@preaction	so if he created a github account, added "dwrandall@webgui-svn" to his e-mail addresses, it should show his username instead	20:54
Haarg	yes	20:54
Haarg	you might ask for a real email to use if you did decide to rewrite the repo at some point in the future.	20:55
@preaction	eh, this way works better for now.	20:58
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scrottie0	Randall Schwartz is complaining... there's a shocker.	21:05
Haarg	actually it's someone else complaining that they got attributed as randall schwartz	21:07
@scrottie	oh.	21:07
Haarg	i may look up my files from the conversion	21:07
Haarg	not sure how that got screwed up	21:07
scrottie0	fix the attributions in 8 before the release and have everyone sync at some point before/while the change is made? dunno.	21:08
Haarg	it could certainly be done, and doing it at the same time as perltidy would be as good a time as ever.	21:10
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdecfa80 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Change the YesNo form plugin to be a subclass of RadioList. Fix rendering problems with RadioList. Fixes bug #11777 - http://bit.ly/aM9Ff1	21:12
@khenn	are the only valid status values "approved", "archived", and "pending" or is there a "denied" as well?	21:42
+perlDreamer	I've never seen "denied"	21:42
+perlDreamer	when a tag is denied, it goes back to pending	21:42
+perlDreamer	where "it" = the asset	21:43
@khenn	that's what I thought	21:44
@khenn	thanks	21:44
SDuensin	Holy crap. IE is 15 years old today.	21:51
+perlDreamer	From processing in WebGUI is convoluted	21:52
* scrottie remembers CERN line-mode.		21:56
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@scrottie	it looks like my linode is trying to guess passwords for you all. sorry about that.	00:10
@scrottie	I'm going to be off the clock a bit here reinstall this.	00:11
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@scrottie	fwiw, I don't use my home passwords for work stuff and vice versa.	00:19
@scrottie	and I don't think I've logged into anything indirectly through there.	00:20
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@scrottie	I have gotta invest in one of those really fast Internet connections everyone has.	02:25
@preaction	yeah, i finally caved in (mainly because i couldn't find a no-bullshit internet connection at any speed). the bullshit is fun to deal with (my isp does nxdomain redirects), but it is easier to enjoy streaming content	02:42
@preaction	the best part was their "opt-out" procedure. instead of redirecting me to a charter-branded page, it would redirect me to a page that looked like the Safari NXDOMAIN page.	02:42
@preaction	while i was using Chrome	02:42
@preaction	and the URL in the location bar changed, so i had no idea what domain i had mistyped	02:43
@scrottie	I wonder if Cox's business class cable still does that. blocking ports would be problematic too.	03:06
@scrottie	and the replacing ads in pages you view. and sending RST packets.	03:08
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SDuensin	Greetings.	15:52
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scrottie	morning.	16:13
* scrottie is still at it from last night... ugh...		16:13
SDuensin	ugh	16:13
scrottie	not exactly work... just IT stuff. proto-work.	16:13
SDuensin	i used to do that. now i have kids!	16:14
scrottie	I hear those cost you a lot of sleep too, at least at first.	16:14
SDuensin	you have no NO idea! :-)	16:15
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+bartjol	whohoo 5 minute bug fix	17:00
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+bartjol	xootom: have you tried the bugfix?	17:20
xootom	for the thumbnails?	17:21
+bartjol	the resolutions	17:21
+bartjol	the sorrt order	17:21
xootom	ah no haven't seen that maybe my email's delayed	17:21
+bartjol	it is comparing strings instead of numbers	17:21
xootom	ah thought so	17:21
+bartjol	so it was an easy fix	17:21
xootom	great :)	17:22
+bartjol	and my test site didn't crash, but did sort in the right order	17:22
xootom	yes that's fixed it thanks!	17:26
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+bartjol	ah, nice	17:30
+bartjol	glad to be of help	17:30
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xootom	Just found an uncommitted version tag on my site by Guest.. how's that happened, not seen it before? Guest / 15/08/2010 01:35:12 (Autotag).	17:45
+bartjol	guest? not visitor?	17:46
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+bartjol	xootom: I can imagine that a cs has a commit with approval post workflow and that everybody can post, not sure whether that is the case	17:57
xootom	just looking at it, appears to be pages worth of changes to a calendar event, hundreds per minute	17:58
+bartjol	whoa	17:58
+bartjol	commit it! :P	17:58
xootom	viewing each change, can't see any changes and the content looks legit	17:59
xootom	looking at the calendar itself, everybody can view but that's it, and it has commit without approval	18:01
+bartjol	mmm	18:06
+bartjol	and spectre runs normally?	18:08
+bartjol	well, good luck, have to go	18:09
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+perlDreamer	bopbop, that's not a bug in the calendar	18:30
@bopbop	no?	18:30
+perlDreamer	you shouldn't be up that late	18:30
@bopbop	:)	18:30
+perlDreamer	you should be sleeping at midnight	18:30
@bopbop	I agree	18:30
+perlDreamer	that's part of our new family-friendly initiative	18:30
@bopbop	sounds great to me	18:31
@bopbop	can we get rid of anything before 7AM too?	18:31
+perlDreamer	oh sure, but that would be an RFE	18:32
@bopbop	shucks - I'll need more karma	18:32
+perlDreamer	I can loan you some	18:34
@preaction	bopbop: what's the problem?	18:37
@bopbop	look at the Adobe Calendar page on Plain Black	18:38
@bopbop	I broke it	18:38
@bopbop	I tried to enter midnight as an end time	18:38
@preaction	i see the bug, fun!	18:38
@bopbop	yup	18:38
@preaction	midnight would technically be the next day	18:38
@preaction	12:00am is the first minute of tomorrow	18:39
@preaction	was the error about "start time must be before end time" or whathaveyou?	18:39
@preaction	we could special-case that situation, it's a very technical and exact definition, and we are not building webgui for technical and exact people	18:40
@bopbop	yes, it was that start time must be before end time	18:40
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@bopbop	so, technically I have to pick 23:59 to be on the same day	18:41
@bopbop	or 00:01 to be on the next?	18:41
@bopbop	there's no exact midnight?	18:42
@preaction	no, there is an exact midnight, but it's on the next day	18:42
@bopbop	blah	18:42
@bopbop	ok	18:42
@bopbop	so do I pick 00:00 on the next date?	18:43
@bopbop	start 22:00 on 8/24 and end at 00:00 on 8/25	18:43
@preaction	right	18:43
@bopbop	sigh	18:43
@bopbop	that's far too difficult	18:43
@bopbop	I had to think about it	18:43
@bopbop	well, if you can at least fix the page for me so I can see my calendar again I'd much obliged	18:44
@bopbop	I'd BE much obliged	18:44
@bopbop	I need it to keep me where I need to be	18:44
@preaction	yes, as i said we can special-case that midnight thing. it's technically correct, which only matters to a beaurocrat	18:45
@bopbop	k	18:45
@preaction	bopbop: if you need faster resolution on something, post it to the support boards	18:45
@bopbop	k	18:45
+perlDreamer	preaction: are you going to fix that one (should I do another bug?)	18:47
@preaction	go ahead, i've got 8 problems (but a bug ain't one)	18:48
@preaction	i think we need to write some howtos for all the troubleshooting we ask people to do. i'm tired of repeating "bump you log level by going into ... and changing ERROR to INFO"	18:49
+perlDreamer	preaction: I think there's a wiki page with some of that on webgui.org	18:50
@preaction	i'll verify and add any pages tonight at madison.pm	18:50
+perlDreamer	speaking of madison.pm...	18:51
@bopbop	preaction: is there a limit to how many assets you can cut or delete at one time inside the asset panel?	18:51
@preaction	bopbop: no. why?	18:52
@bopbop	seems like I can only delete 10 at at ime	18:52
@bopbop	time	18:52
@bopbop	cut seems better	18:52
@bopbop	I'll try to test my delete again to see if I run into a limit again	18:52
@preaction	delete may not be using the progress bar as it is supposed to	18:53
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+perlDreamer	preaction: did resolutions in the Gallery used to look like 600x800, instead of only "600"?	20:36
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@preaction	no	20:39
@preaction	the 600 is the max height or width at the same aspect ratio as the original	20:39
+perlDreamer	at some point, I did this: git show 25213877	20:46
+perlDreamer	no comment other than "fix a bad sort"	20:46
@preaction	what do we all think about punishing regressions severely?	20:48
Haarg	punishing how?	20:49
@preaction	i was thinking a probationary period where your commit bit is revoked and you have to commit through someone with a commit bit	20:50
Haarg	might be better to finish the stuff i did on smoke	20:51
@preaction	i've found that without a strict policy in place, people feel they can abuse the codebase	20:51
Haarg	so people get notified of problems	20:51
Haarg	with a strict policy in place they still tend to do so	20:52
Haarg	perlDreamer, that sort should be changed back to a numeric sort really	20:54
Haarg	probably with some reformatting to do it properly though and avoid warnings	20:54
+perlDreamer	it's the tests!	20:55
+perlDreamer	the Album uses pure numeric resolutions, but the tests set it to \d+x\d+	20:56
+perlDreamer	preaction, we have so few committers that I think perhaps just yelling at the person would work	21:01
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r09ff643 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Explicit scalar for getting the URL form param in Asset.pm. - http://bit.ly/aREf9Q	21:19
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * reac7fe8 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Gallery resolutions are integers. Fixed sorting the resolutions, and fixed the tests to not use bad resolutions. Fixes bug #11787 - http://bit.ly/df5YZb	21:19
+perlDreamer	that needs an explicit test, too for sorting checks	21:26
+perlDreamer	I'll add it after lunch	21:26
scrottie	hmm.	22:18
SquOnk	Greetings.	22:23
* SquOnk fighting to get 7.9 into Squeeze		22:23
SquOnk	BTW, my visa has been granted so I see you guys at WUC2010 :-)	22:24
@preaction	yay	22:24
SquOnk	It's going to be a long flight though...	22:26
SquOnk	...I haven't checked, but I don't think there's a KMIA-KMSN flight.	22:26
scrottie	http://niemann.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/03/red-eye/	22:27
@preaction	i think there is, but the drive isn't so bad	22:27
SquOnk	preaction: How long's the drive from Chicago?	22:29
@preaction	2.5 hours	22:29
SquOnk	I rather fly in.	22:30
SquOnk	3 hours SVMI-KMIA, plus immigration and customs	22:30
SquOnk	Layover	22:30
SquOnk	4 hours KMIA-KORD	22:30
SquOnk	I'm not driving :-)	22:30
@preaction	depending on when you arrive the buses may not be running, madison's not so big to have 24/7 public transportation	22:32
@preaction	oh, cab, i suppose	22:32
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SquOnk	preaction: I'll figure it out :-)	22:32
SquOnk	preaction: I walk a lot anyway...	22:33
@preaction	what hotel you staying at? the concourse? the airport's a little bit out of the way of downtown	22:34
SquOnk	preaction: I'm going to try to stay at the Concourse, yes.	22:34
SquOnk	preaction: I've seen the map, yes. I still don't know the time I'll be arriving, but worst case scenario I'll take a cab.	22:35
@preaction	madison's rather sprawled out for its population, though there are bike rentals around too	22:35
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CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r80c906b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Really fix sorting numerically for resolutions. Added tests to check it. - http://bit.ly/c6131K	23:31
+perlDreamer	yay! I didn't break the calendar	23:39
+perlDreamer	underground did	23:39
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+perlDreamer	I'm sorry, but we only allow 1 scrottie per IRC channel	23:57
+perlDreamer	one of you is going to have to leave	23:57
--- Day changed Wed Aug 18 2010
* scrottie tries to stare down scrottie0		00:01
* scrottie0 tries to stare down scrottie		00:01
scrottie0	ugh. I smell like a camel.	00:03
+perlDreamer	foreach $scrottie ($session->getScrotties) { dump Bucket => $scrottie }	00:09
SquOnk	map { dump Bucket => $_ } $session->getScrotties	00:12
SquOnk	FUNctional programming is FUN	00:12
+perlDreamer	Fairly UNintelligible?	00:13
@scrottie	use perl5i; $session->getScrotties->Data::Dumper::Dumper;	00:13
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Actually, it tends to be clearer	00:13
@scrottie	actually, not even perl5i there.	00:13
+perlDreamer	Fouled-Up Nonrecognizable?	00:13
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Not necessarily in Perl, though.	00:13
SquOnk	perlDreamer: map and grep are among the Perl Best Practices one should get used to.	00:14
SquOnk	perlDreamer: For performance reasons even.	00:14
@scrottie	http://search.cpan.org/~sartak/autobox-Closure-Attributes-0.04/lib/autobox/Closure/Attributes.pm sums it up nicely =)	00:14
@scrottie	not to mention being an awesome hack.	00:14
SquOnk	perlDreamer: There are several functional aspects of Perl that most people don't recognize as being functional, and are both cool and efficient.	00:15
SquOnk	Maybe I'll preach a bit of high order Perl at WUC2010 ;-P	00:15
* perlDreamer has read parts of HOP, SquOnk		00:15
* scrottie hopes perlDreamer and SquOnk will read the brief story in the a::C::A POD =)		00:15
+perlDreamer	just having fun with acronyms at your expense	00:16
SquOnk	perlDreamer: That's one of the cooler books the Perl community has	00:16
SquOnk	scrottie: It's funny, yes.	00:16
@scrottie	THEN LAUGH.	00:16
SquOnk	scrottie: I guess someone sneaked in my "Programming Languages I" course and transliterated into a Zen-style story ;-)	00:16
SquOnk	There's an excellent book alongside a programming environment named Mozart that illustrates those points in a very didactic way.	00:17
SquOnk	I'm trying to switch to Mozart for the theoretical part of Programming Languages I...	00:18
SquOnk	...'cause the practical part is taught in Haskell and Prolog, and sometimes Ruby.	00:18
SquOnk	Objects = Functional Programming + Closures over State	00:18
SquOnk	Where State is a generic datatype.	00:19
SquOnk	Most programming vices come from not having been exposed to functional programming early on.	00:19
SquOnk	That's my theory, anyway.	00:20
@scrottie	don't remember if I pushed it to CPAN, but somewhere I have a little Acme hack that gives you true functional programming in perl.	00:20
@scrottie	it uses the 'ops' module to disable the = and related operators in the VM.	00:20
@scrottie	tada!	00:20
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SquOnk	scrottie: That's oughly cute.	00:26
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r3c4ll	hi	00:35
+perlDreamer	hello	00:36
@scrottie	hey r3c4ll.	00:38
r3c4ll	I'm looking what is webgui, and my first question is... it can be installed from cpanel or i need root (ssh) access to install it?	00:40
+perlDreamer	you need root access to install it	00:41
+perlDreamer	unless you have someone else host it for you, of course	00:41
@preaction	presently you must have a shell to install it, unless someone makes a cpanel plugin for webgui	00:41
r3c4ll	ok thank you ;)	00:41
SquOnk	r3c4ll: aptitude install webgui	00:42
r3c4ll	hi Mr. SquOnk :D	00:42
@preaction	that too	00:42
@scrottie	I want CPAN. And I want a small base install that doesn't scare the bejesus out of people and lots and lots of little parts they can add.	00:43
@scrottie	but I suppose aptitude would be nice. if you're into that sort of thing. which I'm not.	00:44
SquOnk	scrottie: What do you mean "you want CPAN"?	00:44
+perlDreamer	he wants to cpan WebGUI	00:44
@preaction	cpan install WebGUI	00:44
@scrottie	I want WebGUI on CPAN.	00:44
+perlDreamer	you could put it there now, but it won't do you any good	00:44
@preaction	haarg and i share that vision	00:44
+perlDreamer	you need to have mysql rights, and apache config rights, and all sorts of other things	00:45
SquOnk	preaction: I see.	00:45
SquOnk	preaction: Well, the first step is to turn WebGUI to a proper CPAN distribution layout.	00:45
@preaction	SquOnk: better for you too, as there are easy tools to change cpan distros into dpkg	00:45
@preaction	yes, that's what haarg has been doing in webgui 8	00:46
SquOnk	preaction: Yep, dh-make-perl	00:46
@scrottie	http://search.cpan.org/~dpavlin/Fuse-DBI-0.08/examples/webgui.pl ... that's interesting.	00:47
@scrottie	mount that somewhere under web root =)	00:47
SquOnk	preaction: Then the MySQL rights and Apache config could be handled by Debian's packaging tools for that...	00:48
@preaction	might not work under a current WebGUI, looks like it's from 2004	00:48
SquOnk	...and Module::Install allows for an install_script that could do all those things for non-Debian installs.	00:49
Haarg	more likely it would be a separate script	00:49
@preaction	yes, and there are things that WGDev does that WebGUI::Command will do (included with webgui), and WebGUI::Command will do other management as well	00:49
@preaction	a lot of what the WRE does will be included with WebGUI itself instead	00:50
@preaction	that FUSE thing is only a few dozen lines, shouldn't be too hard to update for current WebGUIs. and wgd already has a nice serialization language for assets...	00:52
Haarg	part of the current dilemma i had was figuring out the best way to handle relocation, to handle both a source install and a CPAN install.	00:53
Haarg	and it's also stalled on yui from a cdn	00:53
@preaction	ah, yeah, i should get on that...	00:54
+perlDreamer	Haarg: what kind of encoding is "spa%DF" ?	00:56
@preaction	URL encoding	00:57
+perlDreamer	that's something else that dispatch broke	00:57
+perlDreamer	UTF-8 URLs	00:58
@preaction	yay!	00:58
@preaction	just make sure to write a test expositing it before you fix	00:58
+perlDreamer	aye, aye sir!	00:59
+perlDreamer	Oregon is getting its own branch of the Pirate party	00:59
+perlDreamer	http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katu.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2F100865474.html&ei=XwZrTPJqhZayA4PCwY4P&usg=AFQjCNGKx0rPbOm3OcM0C44LgLNLGJsfnA	01:00
@preaction	i like that "it's going to die because dems and reps will steal their ideas"	01:02
@scrottie	no stealing from pirates! that's not fair!	01:02
@preaction	neither of those groups want more gov't transparency and accountability (or at least, that's what their policies have shown)	01:02
* preaction </politics>		01:02
* scrottie nods at preaction		01:03
@scrottie	save it for when there's beer and too little else to talk about.	01:03
+perlDreamer	September 2nd	01:03
SquOnk	Heh	01:06
SquOnk	I have to talk to the dutch guys into bringing me some beer...	01:06
SquOnk	I wonder what to bring myself, though.	01:07
@scrottie	hrm? Madison is dry?	01:07
SquOnk	Venezuelan beer is not what it used to be nowadays. Just another pilsener.	01:07
+perlDreamer	SquOnk: Madison has many good beers	01:07
+perlDreamer	from local breweries	01:08
@preaction	no, madison has excellent beer. i would say the best you can get outside of Belgium	01:08
SquOnk	I won't bring white cheeses to Wisconsin	01:08
SquOnk	preaction: LOL	01:08
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Oh, I'll try them all, for sure.	01:08
* perlDreamer will bring a wheeled cart to bring you home		01:08
@preaction	we're a bunch of German immigrants, of course we can brew beer	01:08
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Wishful thinking	01:08
SquOnk	I know. I'll bring venezuelan chocolate	01:09
SquOnk	Are you guys into dark chocolate? Like 93% cocoa, almost no sugar?	01:09
@preaction	i am, but most of my fellow wisconsinites feel that "Hershey's" produces actual chocolate	01:10
@scrottie	I'm down. I don't know if I have a well developed pallet but I do enjoy dark chocolate.	01:10
SquOnk	All right, that's what I'm bringing then...	01:11
SquOnk	...and maybe some rhum.	01:11
SquOnk	(I don't drink rhum, but venezuelan rhum is among the best)	01:11
+perlDreamer	rhum? Is that like rum?	01:11
@scrottie	I don't know what I can bring from Arizona. racial profiling?	01:11
@scrottie	it's kind of a wasteland here.	01:12
@scrottie	rhum _really_ sounds good right now.	01:12
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Yep	01:12
SquOnk	http://www.chocolatetradingco.com/magazine.asp?id=213	01:12
SquOnk	Dark Chuao chocolate. As good as it gets.	01:12
@preaction	hmm... perhaps use dark chuao to brew a dark lager	01:15
@scrottie	I'm thinking of dropping a simple script to run individual classes through the Test::Class framework thing into t/tests/Test/WebGUI/: http://github.com/scrottie/webgui/commit/66ead7785a45d7facaa3db440519349a4cc02790	01:19
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, the Test::Class tutorial tells you how to do that	01:19
@scrottie	would that .pl be better off somewhere else or perhaps just not part of the source tree?	01:19
+perlDreamer	without a script	01:19
@scrottie	oh.	01:19
@scrottie	right-o. I'll keep the thing to myself then.	01:19
+perlDreamer	just Google for ovid Test::Class	01:19
r3c4ll	SquOnk, i go to Chuao every time i can... it is every two weeks aprox ;)	01:19
+perlDreamer	and it will tell you what to do	01:20
@scrottie	meh. my stupid script works for my purposes. I'll just leave it uncommited then.	01:20
@scrottie	my brain is full right now.	01:20
+perlDreamer	the French have a saying for that condition, scrottie	01:21
@scrottie	oh, so if I refuse to learn a Test::Class one-liner, you're going to make me learn a French saying instead. I see. well, hit me, I guess.	01:22
+perlDreamer	it's called, "Waaaaaaaaaaah"	01:23
@scrottie	Sadly, I can't follow every tangent that crosses my path. I have to shove that onto the end of the list here.	01:23
@scrottie	"I'll do it later".	01:24
@scrottie	not polluting the source tree is a much higher priority ;)	01:24
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rba953a6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Carousel.pm :	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: Use the Form::ReadOnly control rather than the raw interface;	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: WebGUI::FormBuilder::Tab is not a subclass of WebGUI::HTMLForm and doesn't implement raw(). - http://bit.ly/bHUcCA	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r420fcde / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Poll.pm :	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: Use the Form::ReadOnly control rather than the raw interface;	01:25
CIA-60	webgui: WebGUI::FormBuilder::Tab is not a subclass of WebGUI::HTMLForm and doesn't implement raw(). - http://bit.ly/ca7aCp	01:25
@scrottie	incidentally, on top of everything else, today is going to be a short day. I have to bail 6ish. girl is back from Copenhagen tonight and some friends are back from a month long tour down the Pacific Coast highway.	01:26
@preaction	nice	01:30
@scrottie	there are stories to be heard, I have no doubt.	01:31
@preaction	and beer to drink while hearing them	01:32
@scrottie	I didn't want to say anything, but yes. I have to bite that bullet.	01:33
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+perlDreamer	Lesson learned for today	02:45
+perlDreamer	Don't use a perl module and 8 extra lines of code...	02:46
+perlDreamer	when 1 line of core perl will do the right thing	02:46
@scrottie	perl -e 'dump' ?	02:46
+perlDreamer	no	02:46
+perlDreamer	I used URI-new($url) to get an easy, clean split of the URL path into fragments	02:47
@scrottie	sounds reasonable.	02:47
+perlDreamer	however, that encoded the URL, which borked all the UTF-8 characters in it	02:47
@scrottie	that sounds unreasonable.	02:48
@scrottie	it should just be parsing it, not encoding or escaping stuff.	02:48
+perlDreamer	so, instead of URI->new($url); $uri->path_fragments; munge all path fragments for utf8	02:48
+perlDreamer	I just did split /\//	02:49
@scrottie	for the sake of safety when programming perl, always remember: never touch the data.	02:50
@scrottie	you'll get a rash, it'll get germs on it. it's not good.	02:50
@scrottie	I recommend five layers of encapsulation.	02:50
CIA-60	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4bf7eb4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fix UTF-8 URL handling in dispatch. Added tests for creating assets and accessing assets with UTF-8 urls. Fixes bug #11785 - http://bit.ly/dezVWZ	02:56
* scrottie did some digging around on the canPostStories failures in the Test::Class tests before finding out that story->getParent->getParent is the wrong class. working...		03:04
@scrottie	I need a progress bar.	03:04
+perlDreamer	Be nice to my Story Manager code. I'm an overprotective parent	03:05
+perlDreamer	Yargh!	03:06
+perlDreamer	How is it, in 9 years of WebGUI, that no one has complained about i18n in the time chooser?	03:06
@scrottie	I didn't only ask its parent before taking it on a date, I asked its parent's parent.	03:07
+perlDreamer	that's real thorough	03:08
@scrottie	I don't think there's anything wrong with the code. The t/Asset/Story.t test is mostly good in 8.x. it's just blowing up in the Test::Class tests. so it seems the ancestry is just off somehow. investigating... most of the fixes so far have been fixes to the tests, not the code. well, a bit over half.	03:08
@scrottie	not that that saves any time or effort in debugging.	03:09
+perlDreamer	no, Moose does not make stack traces or perl -d any easier	03:29
+perlDreamer	preaction: we're having BBQ mesquite chicken, home-made crescent rolls and some kind of veggie. We'll have extras, so you can bebop over if you wish	03:30
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@scrottie	hrm. some of these are now passing. I'm not sure why. and the diagnostic output suggests that it shouldn't be blowing up either. re-running everything. heading out.	03:44
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, you're not supposed to be here anymore	04:27
+perlDreamer	remember, lunch with the recently returned girlfriend and the bike riders?	04:27
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+perlDreamer	holy crap! patspam's in the hospital!	04:28
CIA-60	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6270382 / wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl : Force monitoring of modperl processes, too in wremonitor.pl - http://bit.ly/cgdbGG	04:30
CIA-60	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r577f160 / (16 files in 5 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://bit.ly/aZFMjy	04:30
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:42
+bartjol	howdy	16:53
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SVIFI	a question: how to make table with invisible border in webgui default editor	17:33
SVIFI	whatever style or border color/thickness/collapse etc I put it still is visible	17:34
SVIFI	?	17:34
@preaction	visible in the editor? or on the page after you save it?	17:34
SVIFI	in the page afterwards	17:34
@preaction	your page's stylesheet could be overriding the editor's settings	17:35
SVIFI	i edit HTML, and it seems like webgui overwrites some code which makes it visible again	17:35
@preaction	that's also possible if you're using IE6 or 7, but i've only seen that for images	17:35
SVIFI	is there any way to exclude any preset stylsheet options for just one case?	17:35
@preaction	assign a class or an ID to the table and use CSS to select it like: <table id="whatever">...</table> <style type="text/css">#whatever { border: 0; padding: 0; margin: 0; border-spacing: 0; }	17:36
@preaction	the <style> tag should go in the extra head tags block on the Metadata tab. if you can't see that, you need to raise your UI level	17:37
SVIFI	right, I have been experimenting with it already	17:38
SVIFI	I will try ...	17:38
SVIFI	with ID	17:38
SVIFI	hm	17:39
SVIFI	still visible, in fact	17:39
SVIFI	when I set background-color: #FFFFFF; in style head tags	17:40
@preaction	run your page through the validator, make sure your browser isn't caching, and if those fail then paste a URL here	17:40
SVIFI	the lower part of border disappears, but higher one remains	17:40
SVIFI	http://www.datapartner.fi/en/customers/overview-by-industry	17:42
SVIFI	this is the url with the table on top	17:42
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+perlDreamer	good morning, everybody!	17:43
SDuensin	Hey perlDreamer	17:43
SVIFI	good evening, here	17:43
@preaction	SVIFI: your markup is invalid	17:44
SDuensin	And SVIFI and anyone else I missed.	17:44
+perlDreamer	SVIFI: I should have said, "TimeZone appropriate greeting"	17:44
@preaction	http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.datapartner.fi/en/customers/overview-by-industry&charset=(detect+automatically)&doctype=Inline&group=0	17:44
SVIFI	oh btw	17:45
@preaction	SVIFI: and though you have border: 0px solid; you also have border-bottom: and border-right: which override that	17:46
SVIFI	i forgotten its not committed so you see old version	17:46
@preaction	finally, you need to override the td style for the #_mc_tmp	17:46
@preaction	something like #_mc_tmp td { border: none }	17:47
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+bartjol	preaction, are you ready for a dutch person in your home?	17:55
@preaction	can one ever be truly ready for that?	17:55
+bartjol	nope	17:56
@preaction	plus you'll have to fight with frodwith for which sleeping arrangement is whose	17:56
+bartjol	well, I suppose I have the last choice	17:56
SVIFI	preaction thanks, the ID method worked with #id td {...}	17:57
SVIFI	I appreciate it!	17:57
@preaction	np, that's what we're here for	17:57
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+bartjol	what, is the bug tracker not a support forum?	18:49
@preaction	never has been, ha ha, never will	18:49
+bartjol	darn, I just wanted to add all my issues from work to the tracker	18:52
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xootom	anyone using the webgui shop?	19:54
@preaction	yes	19:54
xootom	i'm just setting up a subscription, haven't used the shop stuff before, when i go to my cart the payment methods drop down is empty even though cash and paypal are set up and enabled	19:55
xootom	do i need to do anything else?	19:55
@preaction	cash and paypal do not support recurring transactions	19:55
@preaction	paypal will soon, but for now it's really only credit card for subscriptions	19:55
xootom	ahh i see, can i stop the subscriptions recurring?	19:55
@preaction	not that i'm aware of, i may have either planned out or written code for that too, but another bit of my code lost to the ages, like the sand in an hourglass	19:56
xootom	ok i'll have a play anyway thanks	19:57
scrottie	yarrr.	20:02
scrottie	perlDreamer, I wasn't here, the computer was doing its own thing, and what happened to patspam? bastard okay?	20:04
scrottie	hospital > morgue =\|	20:04
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, apparently patspam has salmonella	20:35
@preaction	oh fun	20:40
@bopbop	perlDreamer: that page is ok now - I didn't mean to give my post a mad face	20:51
+perlDreamer	that's cool. I just hate to have you waiting for a fix	20:51
@bopbop	nah, all's good	20:51
scrottie	brb. store across the street.	20:51
+perlDreamer	this SQL query fragment: http://gist.github.com/535651	21:04
+perlDreamer	seems like it's overkill	21:04
+perlDreamer	the GROUP BY and HAVING clauses would be overridden by the ORDER clause	21:04
@preaction	no	21:05
@preaction	first they get grouped, then they get ordered	21:05
@preaction	so group by removes old revisions of assets	21:05
@preaction	order by orders the remaining rows	21:05
+perlDreamer	would it help to know that the query does not really return the latest version of the Posts?	21:05
@preaction	limit 1 causes the whole thing to be unnecessary, but you never know when someone will change that	21:06
SDuensin	I think we've talked about this before, but has anyone implemented SSO with WebGUI? As in, using WebGUI as the authority for users in other software?	21:20
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, there's an OpenID patch that can be applied to WebGUI 7.x	21:22
+perlDreamer	but in 8 we'll be rewriting Auth, and integrating in OpenID	21:22
+perlDreamer	at least as a consumer, perhaps a supplier	21:22
SDuensin	Not really what I want. I'd like a user to be able to sign in on my WebGUI site and then when they follow a link to a non-WebGUI item, carry the auth info along with them.	21:22
@preaction	we don't have time to rewrite auth completely in 8, just smooth out some rough spots and refactor a bit	21:23
SDuensin	I did it once before, but it was horribly hackish.	21:23
@preaction	SDuensin: that sounds insecure. unless you're using an SSO system that shares tokens	21:23
@preaction	7.9 has Twitter-based auth. 7.10 will most likely have facebook auth	21:23
SDuensin	Well, see, that's kind of what I'm asking. :-)	21:23
SDuensin	I was thinking of passing a GUID to the secondary site in the URL and then that site can query the WG database to match the GUID up with a user. The GUID would only be valid for a few minutes.	21:24
SDuensin	I want to iframe some other stuff into my site and I don't want them to have to log in twice.	21:25
@preaction	look at OAuth, that is most likely what you want	21:26
@preaction	but you'd need to write the handlers yourself	21:26
@preaction	and that other site would need to handle oauth as well	21:26
@preaction	no matter what you're going to need something on that other site	21:26
SDuensin	The other side is my code, so I can do that.	21:27
SDuensin	OAuth is kinda cool. Seems overkill for what I need though.	21:30
@preaction	anyone else think we need a window.webgui JS object that has access to a bunch of stuff? like the current asset URL and junk?	21:38
+perlDreamer	you mean as opposed to getWebguiProperty from Session/Style.pm?	21:40
@preaction	right	21:41
@preaction	a better version of that	21:42
+perlDreamer	that means changing a lot of templates	21:42
@preaction	they actually use that instead of the ^Extras macro?	21:44
@preaction	it'd be nice to say "window.webgui.extras(fragment)", a set of real functions instead of that hacky crap	21:47
@preaction	just like how the YAHOO global object works	21:48
+perlDreamer	I was wrong. There are no core templates that use that	21:49
@preaction	yay!	21:49
+perlDreamer	but there are bunch of core JS in www/extras	21:49
@preaction	yeah, that's easy to grep/replace though	21:49
+perlDreamer	ack \| xargs perl -pi -e ROCKS	21:49
+perlDreamer	however, now there's a conundrum	21:50
+perlDreamer	Someone posted a SC bug about UTF-8	21:50
+perlDreamer	I can fix it by removing a line	21:50
+perlDreamer	utf8::downgrade($value)	21:50
+perlDreamer	but I don't know what will break if I do that	21:50
@preaction	if you don't know, that means we haven't tested enough :(	21:51
+perlDreamer	There are no tests for that	21:51
@preaction	sadface	21:51
+perlDreamer	I'm very tempted to write a test for this, fix it, and wait for bug reports to roll in and to test and fix each one	21:51
@preaction	since we can never seem to reliably reproduce, that may be what we need to do	21:52
+perlDreamer	Haarg: ping for historical context	21:53
Haarg	?	21:55
+perlDreamer	scrollback about SC, please	21:55
Haarg	give me a minute	21:55
+perlDreamer	Do you remember the history of the utf8::downgrade on line 173 of Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm?	21:56
+perlDreamer	also, the good news is that I have a snapshot of the file that causes this bug to appear	21:57
Haarg	do you have the url as well?	21:57
Haarg	sc issues depend on http headers as well	21:58
+perlDreamer	http://psv.netwerk.to/nieuws/rss.xml	21:58
Haarg	the issue has a few parts	21:58
+perlDreamer	I captured the headers when I downloaded it	21:58
+perlDreamer	it doesn't say that it's UTF8 encoded in the headers, only in the XML tag	21:58
Haarg	encoding can be specified as an http header, in the mime type, or in the xml prolog	21:59
Haarg	or sometimes is more than one of those places	21:59
Haarg	we use decoded_content	22:01
Haarg	which will deal with the first two of those decoding parts	22:02
Haarg	but there are cases where it will 'decode' into utf8 even though it doesn't convert to characters	22:04
Haarg	but instead basically has the bytes but marked as utf8	22:04
Haarg	so the downgrade is basically supposed to attempt to convert the string into bytes, so that XML::FeedPP can deal with the encoding	22:05
Haarg	but obviously it sometimes doesn't work	22:05
+perlDreamer	like this case	22:05
Haarg	unfortunately i don't have the url that i was dealing with that led me to add that line	22:05
Haarg	and when i attempted to make tests i couldn't get anything to work at all	22:06
Haarg	there are any number of possible messed up ways that the content could come back from LWP as, so we really need to have tests for those cases	22:07
Haarg	but it's even painful to get perl to generate stuff in those forms	22:08
Haarg	and trying to debug it is hard because it isn't even easy to look at the contents of the strings	22:08
+perlDreamer	what do you think about my idea of breaking it, and waiting for people to submit more test cases?	22:08
+perlDreamer	re debug: I still want perl to tell me what the encoding is	22:09
+perlDreamer	but I know it can't really do that	22:09
Haarg	all perl has is the utf8 flag	22:09
Haarg	which doesn't tell you the encoding, but does tell you how perl is handling it	22:10
Haarg	and the fact that utf8 != UTF-8 doesn't help much	22:10
+perlDreamer	yeah	22:11
+perlDreamer	so, if I'm going to go ahead with this idea about building tests, I really have to wash the data through LWP	22:13
+perlDreamer	which means setting up a small HTTP server so that LWP can suck it down, and then the SC can touch it	22:13
Haarg	you shouldn't need to run it through lwp	22:13
Haarg	for testing what is needed roughly is	22:14
Haarg	content as bytes (utf8 off) content as characters (utf8 on) content with each byte as a character (utf8 on)	22:15
Haarg	latin1 as both latin1 and as UTF-8	22:16
Haarg	and something like russian	22:17
Haarg	oh, and handing each of those to XML::FeedPP, sometimes with and sometimes without the xml prolog	22:19
Haarg	or rather, sometimes with and sometimes without the encoding specified in the prologo	22:19
Haarg	probably also need stuff that is utf8-on but is actually ISO-8859-5	22:20
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@preaction	it's cool that git lets me commit locally, but that doesn't lend itself to fun discussions here about my commits	00:36
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scrottie	run your own bot like CIA-60 locally =)	00:51
@preaction	i could write a commit hook that would spam #webgui	00:52