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| three18ti | scrottie, I have to work SuNdAyS though... :( | 02:28 |
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| elnino | HEY! | 01:03 |
| elnino | Is tehre a way in a style template to check the url for a parameter? | 01:04 |
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| haarg | assuming you mean a form parameter | 02:11 |
| haarg | the main way you normally use form params is using a macro, which you can't use in template conditionals | 02:11 |
| haarg | form params might end up in the session.* form vars though | 02:11 |
| haarg | i don't quite remember | 02:11 |
| haarg | and don't remember which help doc they are shown in | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | elnino, this seems to be the answer to a lot of questions lately, but, JavaScript. | 02:12 |
| @scrottie | JS can look at form parameters and change the DOM around depending on them. | 02:13 |
| @scrottie | of course, that only works if you don't need any data from the server. | 02:13 |
| @scrottie | or any data from the server that it isn't already sending. | 02:13 |
| elnino | thanks haarg and scrottie, yep, looking for a form parameter, even though it technically isn't coming from a submit. I'll look at the session. | 02:15 |
| elnino | and yes, I wanted to change the behavior of a page based on the url, BUT I think maybe it's all client side. I haven't really looked closely into the modified behavior portion... gotta step away, thanks for the ideas! | 02:16 |
| @scrottie | sure thing! | 02:16 |
| haarg | it might be the general 'Template' help that shows the global template vars | 02:16 |
| haarg | but otherwise, js would be the only real option | 02:16 |
| * haarg hates macros | 02:17 | |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer and I have been talking about ripping them out in favor of TT callbacks | 02:21 |
| haarg | yeah | 02:24 |
| haarg | some of the macros are designed for use in content | 02:25 |
| haarg | but not most of them | 02:25 |
| haarg | ideal behavior in my mind would be something like [% webgui.assetProxy("blah") %] if you wanted to call a "macro" in a template | 02:26 |
| haarg | with some different namespace for them | 02:26 |
| haarg | and then for the things that were appropriate for content, do [% content | processMacros %] | 02:27 |
| haarg | or something like that | 02:27 |
| haarg | to have the content-appropriate macros processed | 02:27 |
| haarg | and entirely removing the 'global macro processing' behavior. | 02:28 |
| haarg | getting any kind of upgrade procedure working to make that change would be pretty much impossible though | 02:28 |
| @scrottie | heh | 02:28 |
| @scrottie | other than a very long deprecation cycle | 02:29 |
| haarg | yeah | 02:29 |
| haarg | at the very least, exposing the existing macros as template available calls would be good | 02:29 |
| @scrottie | fer sure | 02:29 |
| haarg | i thought i might have done that but could be wrong | 02:30 |
| @scrottie | I guess "perlDramer and I have been talking about ripping them out" was phrased a bit over ambitiously | 02:30 |
| @scrottie | first thing is still a reasonable failure resistant installer. right now, when PB hires someone, it takes them a week to stumble through the process. helping people who come in here is similar... not much success. that's bad. | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | even if wG can compete on features and sanity with other systems, if people can't install it without a battle, that's all for nothing. | 02:33 |
| @scrottie | it has two verbosity levels right now. I need to add a third, "stfu and install wG". | 02:35 |
| haarg | yeah | 02:35 |
| haarg | i always wanted to add a 'install shit' command to wgdev | 02:35 |
| haarg | never got around to it | 02:36 |
| @scrottie | the higher verbosity levels are helpful for my purposes in testing it and for people who don't want to run any commands on their system that might damage it without looking at them first. | 02:36 |
| haarg | half of the work an installer needs to do is the same stuff wgd reset does | 02:36 |
| @scrottie | you'd think. | 02:36 |
| @scrottie | CentOS and Debian both come with broken Perl installations. | 02:36 |
| haarg | yeah, i know there's plenty of other stuff that is needed | 02:37 |
| @scrottie | ultimately, the thing would run be bundled with shar as a shelf-extracting shell archive that bootstraps Perl on the system. | 02:37 |
| @scrottie | mysql might be not installed, installed with a root password set, installed w/o a root password set, or installed but without initdb having been run. | 02:37 |
| haarg | i more meant that a good portion of the webgui specific install stuff is handled by wgdev | 02:38 |
| haarg | all the prereqs are a separate problem | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | the thing bootstraps Curses and Curses::Widgets too. | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 02:38 |
| haarg | if there's ever anything re:installing that would make sense to integrate into wgdev, please send a push request | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | on RedHat, nginx is in a different repo that you have to add to its list of sources, but there are four different possibile sources to put in depending on whether it's RedHat or CentOS and which version | 02:38 |
| @scrottie | will do. my effort is pretty hackish right now. classic "get it working and hope to have time to make it nice later". | 02:39 |
| haarg | yeah | 02:40 |
| haarg | i always tried to do things in wgdev the 'correct' way, which mostly worked fine as long as i was active on developing it | 02:40 |
| @scrottie | in theory, the Debian/RedHat package stuff could be moved to a wgd command. | 02:41 |
| haarg | but i'm obviously much less involved now, so as long as it doesn't break stuff and is useful i'll take it | 02:41 |
| @scrottie | a'right. | 02:41 |
| @scrottie | then the UI could be a stand alone little thingy that just did early bootstrap (perl, Curses, wgd, git, git clone wG) and then issue wgd commands. | 02:42 |
| haarg | so nginx still isn't in modern rhel/centos dists? | 02:42 |
| @scrottie | modern rhel isn't modern. | 02:42 |
| haarg | or is it just that 5.x stuff is still so common | 02:42 |
| @scrottie | I thought Debian was bad. | 02:42 |
| @scrottie | I got 6.0 (32 and 64 bit) and have been testing with those. | 02:43 |
| haarg | :/ | 02:43 |
| @scrottie | This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi | 02:43 |
| haarg | honestly i wasn't expecting centos 6 to ever happen | 02:43 |
| @scrottie | and, like Debian, they split up the perl "core" into several packages. | 02:43 |
| haarg | lovely | 02:43 |
| @scrottie | CentOS release 6.3 (Final) | 02:44 |
| @scrottie | I haven't ever, in my whole long career, gotten a feel for what "Enterprise" means other than "bad". | 02:44 |
| haarg | not quite "enterprise", but a similar thing i had recently | 02:45 |
| haarg | had a client that was very insistent on their particular process | 02:45 |
| haarg | to the point where if for some reason the website went down in the middle of the night | 02:46 |
| @scrottie | is "it puts the lotion on its skin" part of their process? | 02:46 |
| haarg | were were approved to put up a maintenance page | 02:46 |
| haarg | and nothing more | 02:46 |
| @scrottie | I hope it said, "Shhh, the website is sleeping" | 02:46 |
| haarg | and this company was not nearly large enough to justify that kind of strictness | 02:46 |
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| xdanger | we could use perlbrew for the perl part of wre | 12:29 |
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| @scrottie | heeey xdanger. | 20:42 |
| haarg | perlbrew isn't really useful for that imo | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | yeah. as much as I complain about the vender perl builds, both of them have imagemagick modules for perl pre-built, which saves a world of hurt. | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | (imagemagick needs to go away) | 20:44 |
| haarg | building perl itself is extremely easy. it's all the cpan stuff that becomes problematic. | 20:44 |
| haarg | which is primarily imagemagick | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | haarg, that sounds like something other than an opinion... an educated guess? knowledge of actual serious problems? | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | yeah. slogging through building the deps is what usually blocks peoples efforts to do source installs. | 20:45 |
| @scrottie | it seems like module authors aren't testing with CPAN.pm/cpan any more. things work a lot better in cpanm. | 20:46 |
| haarg | the largest issue i have with perlbrew is that it has a few bugs that are really annoying | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | xdanger apparently figured that out, too. his installer (which I based mine on) used testEnvironment.pl to build a list of modules to install with cpanm. that actually works. testEnvironment.pm installing them directly with CPAN does not. | 20:47 |
| haarg | but the other thing is it gets recommended all over the place for bad reasons | 20:47 |
| haarg | it's a solution for building multiple versions of perl for testing | 20:47 |
| haarg | but gets recommended any time someone needs any build of perl | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:47 |
| haarg | and relies on a bunch of complex and convoluted shell scripts | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | yeah, that's what I thought it was for, just extrapolating from what I've overheard about it | 20:48 |
| haarg | building perl is basically ./Configure -des -Dprefix=/usr/local/perl && make test && make install | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | hrm. well, if I can get the ImageMagick dep out of wG and I'm still working on this stupid thing, I'll seriously consider adding an option to build a perl rather than use the system perl. | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | ./Configure -des PREFIX=/usr/local/perl && make... | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | or does -Dprefix work too? | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | nevermind. | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | I have no idea. | 20:50 |
| haarg | -Dprefix works, not sure about other ways to do similar | 20:50 |
| @scrottie | tangent anyway. | 20:50 |
| haarg | the annoying thing with imagemagick is that the majority of what it is used for is image resizing, and i wrote a patch to change that to imager | 21:00 |
| haarg | the graphing stuff is significantly more complex, but is barely used | 21:01 |
| @scrottie | that's kind of a chicken and egg problem | 21:01 |
| @scrottie | er, there exists one | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | making wG more modular would allow deps like that to be used without ruining the base install | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | but one thing holding up putting wG on CPAN is deps that require vendor packages | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | like imagemagick virtually does | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | sorry, I'm especially not coherent this morning | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | was up late playing Intellivision and then perlDreamer rang me with an outage early this morning. and I might have killed some brain cells anyway. | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | in addition to the huge lot of them I killed previously. | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | I didn't realize you had a patch to do that. I see no reason not to apply that, if it works. | 21:04 |
| haarg | it adds a prereq without removing one | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | which is a step in the right direction if the interium goal is to modularize off the obnoxious deps. | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | hrm. should I try to get one of the piratebay OSX-for-PCs to run on my white box AMD machine, or should I target OSX 10.3 on my G3 PowerBook? | 21:23 |
| @scrottie | this is going to be rough. OSX is the platform I know the least about. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | Can version tag track copy/past|lineage moves? | 21:29 |
| haarg | nope | 21:29 |
| ckotil | im setting up an archive function. crap | 21:29 |
| @scrottie | can you get the data you need from the asset's url? | 21:30 |
| ckotil | it at least will tell me who possibly made the move into the archive | 21:30 |
| ckotil | yeah, the url stays the same. im just updating hte lineage | 21:30 |
| ckotil | does version tag track metadata changes? | 21:31 |
| @scrottie | hrm. metadata might be its own table. | 21:31 |
| * scrottie looks | 21:31 | |
| @scrottie | metaData_properties, metaData_values... | 21:32 |
| @scrottie | that implies that metadata is stored external to the asset tables. metaData_values doesn't have a revisionDate column. | 21:32 |
| @scrottie | so, very unlikely. | 21:33 |
| haarg | i thought versioned metadata was added at some point | 21:33 |
| ckotil | ok cool | 21:34 |
| ckotil | im about to test it out anyway. ill let you guys know | 21:34 |
| ckotil | thanks | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | come to think of it, the wG in /data/WebGUI on my machine at the moment is pretty old | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | yup, there's a revisionDate column in metaData_values on the current wG's database. | 21:34 |
| @scrottie | so, very likely. | 21:35 |
| ckotil | nice | 21:35 |
| ckotil | aww, im on 7.9.23. no revisionDate in metaData_values | 21:39 |
| ckotil | Ill add versioning to my new www_ functions anyway | 21:39 |
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| -!- mv is now known as Guest45000 | 23:08 | |
| Guest45000 | hello | 23:08 |
| Guest45000 | i need some little help about webgui | 23:08 |
| Guest45000 | any :) admin here ? | 23:08 |
| ckotil | hi | 23:13 |
| Guest45000 | hi | 23:13 |
| Guest45000 | your able with webgiu ? | 23:13 |
| Guest45000 | i have an install issue | 23:13 |
| Guest45000 | problem :) | 23:14 |
| ckotil | I can try | 23:14 |
| Guest45000 | i want to install webgui on my fps i have already KLOXO running and few pages ,,,also mysql and apache .. | 23:14 |
| Guest45000 | but if i install are it kilss my mysql | 23:15 |
| Guest45000 | and i want it to run into my working environment now | 23:15 |
| Guest45000 | i have tried on another VPS i own and my system was killed | 23:16 |
| Guest45000 | how can i install it next my other software running on the Vps | 23:16 |
| Guest45000 | VPS not fps ...sorry | 23:16 |
| ckotil | that's too vaugue of a question. I could help with a missing dependency or config issue. I can't help. sorry | 23:17 |
| Guest45000 | ( i hate auto correction sorry i wrote WRE installation ) | 23:17 |
| Guest45000 | ok | 23:17 |
| @scrottie | "kills your system"? | 23:17 |
| Guest45000 | i only want to install it and using my running mysql but it doesn't work | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | wG can be a bit slow, especially under load, but the site has to be pretty popular before it kills your system. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | yeah it does. I do it all of the time. | 23:18 |
| Guest45000 | yes i couldīt log into it after installation | 23:18 |
| Guest45000 | cause it chance my mysql ... | 23:18 |
| Guest45000 | so kloxo was broken | 23:18 |
| Guest45000 | i could fix it after reinstalling mysqld again from ssh | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | uh, yeah. do the install docs mention that you have to remove your /etc/mysql.conf? | 23:19 |
| Guest45000 | i did ... | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | that will make your existing mysql not work. | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | I hope the docs are clear about that. | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | if not, that should be fixed. | 23:19 |
| Guest45000 | but seems bit strange to me that it needs to reinstall mysql | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | there are two different things. | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | they work together. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | there's WebGUI and there's the WRE. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | you don't have to use the WRE to run WebGUI. | 23:20 |
| Guest45000 | this means ? | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | you *can* use your existing mysql, and if you have an existing mysql, you basically have to use it. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI is what you want to run. that's the content management system. | 23:20 |
| Guest45000 | so how do i install it | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | the WRE doesn't do anything except help you get WebGUI installed quickly. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | there's "Source Install" instructions on the site... | 23:20 |
| Guest45000 | so in have to do a install by scratch ? | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | let me see if I can find those. | 23:21 |
| Guest45000 | ok ... so by source | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | well, you have a few options. | 23:21 |
| Guest45000 | and it would not touch my running environment ? | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | you can give WebGUI a dedicated virtual machine of its own. | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | no, no matter what, it's going to touch your environment if you install it on a computer. | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI needs MySQL. | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | one way or another. | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | if you use the MySQL that comes with the WRE, then you're doing that instead of any other MySQL installed on the system. | 23:22 |
| Guest45000 | ok but i can add this into my actually my.cnf ? | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | or if you use the MySQL already on the system, then it's using that. | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | yes. | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | that would be using the "source install" instructions. | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | also, I have an installer but it's *beta* | 23:22 |
| Guest45000 | ok | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | it'll use the mysql already on your system | 23:22 |
| Guest45000 | cool | 23:22 |
| Guest45000 | does it work ? | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | I just said that it's beta. | 23:22 |
| Guest45000 | lot of beta stuff us not bad around :) | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | it needs more testing before it can be declared to work reliably. | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | I just got it to go on CentOS and haven't tested it on Debian again so I might have accidentally broken Debian. | 23:23 |
| Guest45000 | i am only a way to install it ,,, and not breaking my system cause i have an Dolphin Page running with an RMS | 23:24 |
| @scrottie | oh, wait. sorry. the installer is for wG8. you probably want wG7. | 23:24 |
| @scrottie | wG8 is alpha =P | 23:24 |
| Guest45000 | well my VPS runs CENTOS 5.8 | 23:24 |
| Guest45000 | i don't care about ,, 7 or 8 i need a good CMS to make my pages | 23:24 |
| Guest45000 | don't like all that stuff around like WP or Joom.. | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | firefox is being really slow... need to restart it. | 23:25 |
| Guest45000 | ok iīll get a cup of coffee until y back | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI is a bit of a bear to set up and it has a learning curve, but everyone I talk to likes it better than the other stuff, for what little that's worth ;) | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | http://webgui.org/wiki/source-install | 23:25 |
| @scrottie | there it is | 23:26 |
| Guest45000 | yes seems to me to | 23:26 |
| Guest45000 | yep already got this ,, i am afraid to test hahah :) | 23:26 |
| Guest45000 | maybe after a complete backup of my VPS | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | back up your system! | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | and print out the instructions and check them off as you do them. | 23:27 |
| Guest45000 | yes i will di that | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | there's a lot of subtle detail. a lot of ways things can go wrong. a lot of sub-tasks that are important. | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | (which is why wG really needs an installer...) | 23:27 |
| Guest45000 | i believe itīs hard i own the other VPS until the 11 so i try in there | 23:28 |
| ckotil | wG's popularity should get a good bump when an installe arrives | 23:28 |
| Guest45000 | first | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | http://gist.github.com/2973558 is my wG8 installer. please -- this software is not well tested -- if you try to use it, back up your virtual machine first! or do it on a spare one you don't care about. | 23:28 |
| Guest45000 | think also so i gave a try online an it looks very promissed | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | and also, wG8 hasn't been used in production yet as far as I know, so treat it accordingly | 23:29 |
| Guest45000 | ok i will try this on a spare fps | 23:29 |
| Guest45000 | °VPS | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | I'm sorry, I have to ask... are you adminning these machines from your phone too? | 23:30 |
| Guest45000 | can i download wG8 any | 23:30 |
| Guest45000 | 23:30 | |
| @scrottie | or tablet? | 23:30 |
| Guest45000 | no not for now but i would like to maybe later on | 23:30 |
| Guest45000 | nope for now on mac | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | that seems like that would be really painful. | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | with a keyboard, I still feel like I can't type fast enough and hit the right keys reliably enough. | 23:30 |
| Guest45000 | well i don't like all this tablet people | 23:31 |
| @scrottie | huh. anyway, re: downloading wG8, it's on github... github.com/plainblack/webgui | 23:31 |
| Guest45000 | nice for games .) not for work | 23:31 |
| @scrottie | to get wG8, you have to 'git clone' it. my installer does that for you. | 23:32 |
| Guest45000 | ? clone it ? | 23:32 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 23:32 |
| Guest45000 | CAN I USE GITHUB FOR MAC ? | 23:33 |
| Guest45000 | to clone ? | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | yeah, but I can't help you get WebGUI running on OSX. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | I run Linux on the desktop. sorry. | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | people at PlainBlack have in the past done development on wG on OSX but there are a lot of tricks to getting it to go. | 23:34 |
| Guest45000 | ok anyway i will run your installer from my fps | 23:34 |
| Guest45000 | VPS | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | I swear, Firefox is the slowest thing in the universe... | 23:34 |
| ckotil | use chrome | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | I hate Google too much and I can't disable the Google integration. | 23:35 |
| Guest45000 | it is but safari is bad too | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | my Firefox has AdBlockPlus blocking Google's autocomplete, and noscript blocking their JavaScript, and cookies disabled for them, and the "SmartBar" set not to complete anything. | 23:35 |
| ckotil | im not logged into google w/ chrome. sure they're tracking me.. i just consider it payment | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | I cannot stand autocomplete. | 23:35 |
| ckotil | auto complete when searching? or auto complete when filling out forms? bc auto complete when filling out my address is AWESOME | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | anytime. anywhere. ever. | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | auto-filling forms isn't the same as autocomplete. that I'm okay with. | 23:36 |
| @scrottie | trying to complete my sentences while I'm typing pisses me off. | 23:36 |
| ckotil | doesn't auto complete come with webgui now? | 23:37 |
| Guest45000 | well until now thanx a lot i will try to install WG :) | 23:37 |
| @scrottie | dunno! I've not used it with wG. | 23:37 |
| @scrottie | Guest45000, good luck! let us know how it goes. | 23:37 |
| Guest45000 | i will :) | 23:38 |
| ckotil | i worked up an auto complete for keywords not long ago. just to cut down on keyword one-offs | 23:38 |
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| @scrottie | dammit, Guest45000, hang on one minute | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | or ten | 23:38 |
| Maurix | so thatīs my WORLD NICK :) | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | or whatever firefox wants | 23:38 |
| Maurix | iīl be back :) soon thx guys | 23:39 |
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| @scrottie | https://raw.github.com/gist/2973558/caf5a70e48a0eaed7401727896721de88f2b8229/webgui_installer.pl ... no need for git | 23:41 |
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| Maurix | i am back | 23:46 |
| Maurix | got this if i do sh webgui installer | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 5: =for: command not found | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 7: -------------------------------------------------------------------: command not found | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 8: WebGUI: command not found | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 9: -------------------------------------------------------------------: command not found | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 10: syntax error near unexpected token `(' | 23:46 |
| Maurix | webgui_installer.pl: line 10: ` Please read the legal notices (docs/legal.txt) and the license' | 23:46 |
| haarg | it's a perl script, not a shell script | 23:47 |
| Maurix | how to start it ? | 23:47 |
| Maurix | sorry don't know much about perl .) | 23:47 |
| haarg | perl webgui_installer.pl | 23:48 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_set_menu_opts': | 23:48 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:4975: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:48 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_menu_opts_on': | 23:48 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:4995: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_menu_opts_off': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5015: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_set_menu_pattern': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5038: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_menu_pattern': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5058: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| @scrottie | yeah, you'll get a lot of those | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_post_menu': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5080: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_unpost_menu': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5099: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_set_menu_userptr': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5121: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| @scrottie | oh, please don't paste all of those into here | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_menu_userptr': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5141: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_set_menu_win': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5163: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_menu_win': | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c:5183: warning: unused variable 'items' | 23:49 |
| Maurix | CursesFun.c: In function 'XS_Curses_set_menu_sub': | 23:49 |
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| elnino | Hi! anyone know how I can display aunt/uncles in a navigation asset and NOT cousins? | 08:34 |
| elnino | actually, I think I want EVERYTHIGN but cousins. | 08:35 |
| elnino | yep, everyhign but cousins | 08:35 |
| elnino | ALSO, i need to run the loop in a navigation asset just 5 times. not sure how to do that. | 08:44 |
| elnino | for get the last questin | 08:46 |
| elnino | hmm. can I grab the current page's url in an sql report? | 09:00 |
| @scrottie | hello... | 13:39 |
| @scrottie | re: aunt/uncles, it seems like that would be a two step operation (or three)... getting the parent asset, and then asking it for its siblings (getParent(), then getLineage('siblings')) | 13:41 |
| @scrottie | the PageUrl macro should give you the URL of the current page... | 14:12 |
| @scrottie | there's an option in sqlreports to run macros before taking arguments | 14:12 |
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| xdanger | elnino: if you select Ancestors, self and Pedigree, start relative to the root and select right point to start. In the navigation asset that is... | 15:14 |
| xdanger | or am I missing something... | 15:14 |
| elnino | hey, I'll try that. the pedigree confuses me. | 16:44 |
| elnino | thanks xdanger and scrottie | 16:44 |
| ckotil | using the sqlreport to generate navigation!? | 16:45 |
| elnino | well, I was contemplating different options and different "projects" the sql report was because the user wanted to see only 5 posts in a collaboration system. | 16:50 |
| elnino | So I was considering sqlreports vs syndicated content vs nav assets. | 16:50 |
| elnino | nav assets won't work. | 16:50 |
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| elnino | or I can use a short cut of a cs and a special tempalte - but that won't work because of the placement of this "navigation" they want | 16:51 |
| ckotil | make a macro | 16:54 |
| elnino | I'll be using an assetproxy with macors | 16:56 |
| ckotil | cool | 16:56 |
| elnino | ah,check if page.depthDiffIsN then display only if it's a sibling? | 17:01 |
| elnino | N being 2 I think | 17:01 |
| elnino | that should hide cousins. I think. | 17:01 |
| elnino | no, display only if sibling. | 17:02 |
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| maurix | hi there | 23:14 |
| maurix | thx for yesterday :) how did you send me a alert 200.000 times on my screen arghh ? | 23:15 |
| maurix | was very funny thx | 23:15 |
| maurix | i will now try a source install on my running VPS GOD help me :) | 23:16 |
| maurix | hope it will be still working after arghh | 23:16 |
| ckotil | I recommend using the wre. that way all of the webgui dependencies are already in one place, and outside of your system's path. i.e. you are less likely to break your system | 23:17 |
| maurix | i know but it will destroy my actually mysql and so my Dolphin Page | 23:18 |
| maurix | :( | 23:18 |
| ckotil | put your dolphin page into the wre mysql | 23:18 |
| maurix | i need an install without touching the running apache & mysql | 23:18 |
| ckotil | ah, i see | 23:19 |
| ckotil | VM inside your VPS? | 23:19 |
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| maurix | how can i put my dolphin page in | 23:19 |
| ckotil | im running webgui out of my house on a centos5 box, running a webgui VM using vmplayer. for similiar reasons | 23:19 |
| maurix | i have A VPS with centos in a box (kloxo) | 23:19 |
| maurix | to admin my site | 23:19 |
| ckotil | well wre comes with standard apache and mysql | 23:19 |
| ckotil | so you should be able ot put your dolphin page in there. | 23:19 |
| maurix | ?? | 23:20 |
| maurix | ok i am bit new in vps and hosting | 23:20 |
| maurix | www.holidate.it is my site | 23:20 |
| maurix | it is now inside the īVPS on admin level | 23:20 |
| maurix | i used to manage al by kloxo via webbrowser | 23:21 |
| maurix | and of course ssh | 23:21 |
| ckotil | assuming dolphin uses standard apache and mysql, you should be able to copy your apache config into the wre apache, and dump your mysql db into wre db. Just sayin. | 23:22 |
| maurix | do you mean installing a VM Player on my VPS ? | 23:22 |
| ckotil | that's a difffernet option, but yeah maybe you could do that | 23:22 |
| maurix | hmm | 23:22 |
| maurix | + | 23:22 |
| maurix | ok but if i install WRE do i have then to manage al my pages by WRE or can i still install and use pages by Kloxo and installatron ? | 23:23 |
| maurix | i am afraid loosing this possibility but i really like to switch on the webgui train :) | 23:24 |
| ckotil | i have no idea what kloxo and installatron are. but they sound like GUI's to admin your server. if you move dolphin into wre apache/mysql there will be a lot of CLI editing and adminstration. | 23:24 |
| maurix | and is there a way to have both on a īVPS ? WEBGUI and KLOXO or CPANEL ? | 23:25 |
| maurix | installation is a automated installer providing a lot of CMS software installers | 23:26 |
| maurix | kloxo is lxadmin ( like Cpanel but free !) | 23:26 |
| ckotil | the vps method would give you enough separation so that you can continue to use kloxo/cpanel/installatron for your dolphin, and the wre/webgui would be completely separate | 23:27 |
| ckotil | it's kind of awesome really. on my centos5 at home, i just setup a mod_proxy on the physical host that proxy's traffic for a particular vhost to the vmplayer wre VM's apache | 23:27 |
| maurix | ok .. but i don't really want to use a VM | 23:28 |
| maurix | :) | 23:28 |
| maurix | anyway i will try if it brokes i have to reinstall all again muha | 23:29 |
| maurix | i only wonder if it also breaks my KLOXO login cause it use the mysql to check users login | 23:30 |
| maurix | of course i think i try it first on a VMPlayer in windows | 23:31 |
| ckotil | that's a safe bet | 23:36 |
| maurix | yes | 23:38 |
| maurix | :) | 23:38 |
| ckotil | woah. new plainblack.com splash page | 23:54 |
| ckotil | i seem to recall a different way to print a page, something like ?func=ajaxinline | 23:55 |
| ckotil | anyone know the correct syntax? | 23:55 |
| ckotil | ?func=ajaxInlineView found it | 23:57 |
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| @scrottie | huh. | 01:26 |
| @scrottie | what' that do... I wonder. | 01:26 |
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| elnino | OH MY WORD, All I wanted was pedigree -that's it. Simple, no conditionals, no ifs, not nothing. sigh. | 05:18 |
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| neilkpd | Hi Scrottie. I tried installing WebGUI 8 using your script from Oct 2 and the install stop at the CPAN section. 'Would you like me to configure as much as possible automatically? [yes]'. Then in a 2nd console I typed 'o conf init'. What is the next step? | 17:48 |
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| neilkpd | I'm using WRE. How do I install the database backup? What are the cmds? 'mysql' isn't recognized. | 19:31 |
| ckotil | http://imgur.com/doe82 couple of css tweaks really make the admin interface POP | 19:41 |
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| elnino | is there an easy way to transfer the stuff in the clipboard into the trash? | 02:29 |
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| @scrottie | neilkpd, ahhh, right. okay, that's a bug. thanks for the report. | 21:06 |
| neilkpd | <scrottie> I'm happy to have helped! | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | did you get your question answered, re: database backups? is that with regards to my installer? | 21:29 |
| @scrottie | the installer should do everything except set up init.d scripts | 21:29 |
| neilkpd | No. I want to move a site to another server and need to install the database backup over the newly created site (replacement), Are the cmds the same as on a non wre webgui setup? | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | what command did you use for the non-WRE webgui setup? | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | wgd reset --import? | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | that should work. that's just a wrapper over myqsl --user=whatever --password=whatever < whatever.sql | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | sometimes dumps don't load, so make sure it loads before you kill the old server | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | sometimes you have to play with dump options to get a dump that works (arghuhghghghg) | 21:51 |
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| xootom | hi, is anyone using the paypal payment driver in webgui? | 18:45 |
| @scrottie | I know someone is | 18:53 |
| @scrottie | but I didn't set it up so I don't know the details of it | 18:53 |
| xootom | i wondered if anything had changed re. the api or something, as we've been getting an error when paypal redirects back to the site - error processing payment, We are unable to lookup the transaction to finish checking out. | 18:55 |
| @scrottie | hrm. I haven't heard any reports of the managed site I'm responsible for that uses that having problems. | 19:05 |
| @scrottie | but it's possible. | 19:05 |
| @scrottie | if PayPal changed the API, I'd probably hear about it. | 19:05 |
| xootom | yeah that's the thing i'm sure there'd be problems everywhere | 19:06 |
| @scrottie | that looks like a PayPal error in that I don't see it in wG | 19:06 |
| @scrottie | so why would they call you back to tell you that they can't look up the transaction? | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | seems odd. | 19:07 |
| @scrottie | try posting on the forums? maybe someone has seen that before. | 19:07 |
| xootom | just googled the phrase, it's in webgui's PayDriver.pm by the look of it | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | yeah, I just noticed that too | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | then I accidentally hit a key twice that opened a new window in firefox with a billion tabs in it | 19:09 |
| * scrottie sighs | 19:09 | |
| xootom | :P | 19:09 |
| @scrottie | which version of wG? | 19:09 |
| xootom | 7.10.23 | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | PayP~. | 19:11 |
| @scrottie | PayPalStd or Express? | 19:11 |
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| @scrottie | how do you feel about editing code? | 19:12 |
| vanjwilson | trying to build new wre on Ubuntu 64-bit, finally got everything to compile, now running "cpanm Task::WebGUI" and it's installed a lot of modules, but is stuck on "Building and testing Net-Server-SS-PreFork-0.05 ..." for the last half hour at least...Anyone seen or found a solution for this? | 19:14 |
| xootom | PayPalStd, sure I'll have a go | 19:14 |
| @scrottie | ~. | 19:15 |
| @scrottie | this hotel network connection blows. | 19:15 |
| @scrottie | vanjwilson, most likely it has some interactive component | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | hit control-C then do cpanm --verbose Net::Server::SS::PreFork | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | if you have to answer some questions to get it to go, then trying Task::WebGUI again should get further | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | xootom, http://pastie.org/5036035 | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | make that edit | 19:16 |
| @scrottie | actually, the trac ..... | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | actually the trace won't tell us anything, but if it didn't bury the error message, that would be helpful | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | oh, wait | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | more edits | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | wrong, wrong | 19:17 |
| @scrottie | http://pastie.org/5036050 | 19:19 |
| vanjwilson | @scrottie, I did what you suggested, and it installed successfully. No interaction required, but a couple of the test did fire up a listener server, so I wonder if that confused the overall install script the first go around... | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | could be... | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | there's certainly an art to nursing big chains of deps through | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | cpanm is way better than cpan or cpanm though | 19:25 |
| xootom | i've replaced the www_completeTransaction sub, what shall I do now? | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | restart wG, create the error again, try to find the additional error message in the webgui.log, and paste it into here | 19:26 |
| @scrottie | and then wait for me to make a guess as to what might be going wrong | 19:26 |
| xootom | it's failing to redirect back to the site now | 19:29 |
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| @scrottie | durp? I did error, not fatal | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | anything in mod_perl.error.log? | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | possible that the additional error log statement is breaking things | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | anything in webgui.log? | 19:33 |
| xootom | i'm still on www.paypalobjects.com though, the 404 has stopped it redirecting back, looks like a possible missing / in the url? | 19:35 |
| xootom | nothing in webgui.log - btw we're not using the wre, it's installed via debian | 19:36 |
| @scrottie | error.log or whatever mod_perl's log is... | 19:38 |
| xootom | nothing in /var/log/apache2/error.log in the last hour | 19:41 |
| @scrottie | ~. | 19:43 |
| @scrottie | huh. only way I can see that error getting called is through there. | 19:44 |
| @scrottie | no reproducable? | 19:44 |
| @scrottie | back out that change and try again to see if you can reproduce the previous error? | 19:56 |
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| xootom | hi sorry i'm back, i've reverted the code but it's still broken, that's strange | 21:12 |
| xootom | https://www.paypalobjects.com/uk/cgi-bin/http:/www.sycaa.co.uk/sycaa/indoors/south-yorkshire-indoor-series/buy-your-ticket/indoor-series?paymentGatewayId=y_IcahGs7yuOxSPpaYDMFA&shop=pay&do=completeTransaction&method=do | 21:12 |
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| xootom | I've re set up the payments with Paypal Express checkout instead of Standard. seems more efficient and more importantly it works now :) | 00:17 |
| @scrottie | yay! | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | I'd still like to know what the error was. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | I'm getting pretty peevish about people catching error messages and then *hiding* them. | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | like the code was doing. | 00:25 |
| xootom | only thing we can think that's changed since it stopped working was upgraded the paypal account to have merchant account stuff (virtual terminal) | 00:25 |
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| @scrottie | hrm. | 01:05 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Any people online that know about the forking stuff in webgui 7.10? | 16:30 |
| haarg | forking stuff? | 17:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah the stuff in WebGUI::Fork | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | aparently in my plebgui branch it gets stuck somewhere | 17:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the problem lies in sub runCmd | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | more specifically in this line | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | my $slurp = do { local $/; <STDIN> }; | 17:24 |
| +MrHairgrease | at least, if I traced it correctly | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | it does al kinds of hocus pocus with IO::Pipe | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | and my brain seems to be too small for those things | 17:25 |
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| @scrottie | hello... | 17:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | hi | 17:55 |
| @scrottie | that depends on the stuff around line 204 in Fork.pm working correctly | 17:56 |
| @scrottie | is that code reached? | 17:56 |
| @scrottie | since STDERR gets closed, debugging this can be a chore | 17:56 |
| @scrottie | STDERR really should be pointed at a log file | 17:56 |
| haarg | does it actually get closed? | 17:56 |
| haarg | at the very least it should get pointed to /dev/null | 17:57 |
| haarg | closing stdin/out/err is pretty bad behavior | 17:57 |
| @scrottie | open STDOUT, '>', '/dev/null' or die "Cannot write /dev/null: $!"; | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | it does. | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | STDERR is a dup of that. | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah i commented to thing out | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | to=those | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | open STDIN, '<&', $worker or die "Cannot dup stdin: $!"; | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | did you comment that one out? | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | if so, that's probably what broke my $slurp = do { local $/; <STDIN> }; | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | nope | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | I figured that one should stay | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | note though, that i did lots of commenting | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | also the STDIN redirect | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | but nothing helps | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe this is a clue | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | I put lot's of print debug statements in the code | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and they stop at the slurp line I mentioned | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | but | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | if i comment out the slurp line, then the output stops coming just before the (let me have alook) | 18:01 |
| haarg | debug print statements? probably want warn or print STDERR | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | just before the fork line | 18:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | why would that make dfference? | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | i'm running from command line starman | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | so all the stuff I print out gets printed right there | 18:02 |
| haarg | well if things are intending to read from stdin or redirecting different pipes, you're less likely to interfere by using STDERR | 18:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | ah, i see your point | 18:03 |
| @scrottie | there are three processes involved | 18:03 |
| haarg | do you have your branch pushed somewhere? | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | I figured, as STDOUT is being redirected to dev/null, it wouldn't make a differenec | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, it's the plebgui-7.10 branch in the webgui git repo | 18:04 |
| @scrottie | the plack process, "webgui-fork-master", and "webgui-fork-$id" (for whichever forks the fork master spawns) | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | small thing may need to be pushed though | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | i do have the webgui-master | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | but i never see one of those child processes pop up | 18:05 |
| @scrottie | the daemon runs in init(). the webgui-fork-$id whatever runs in daemonize(). less than optimal naming there. | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | proly because the code never seems to make it past rnCmd | 18:05 |
| @scrottie | does daemonize() get called? | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's how I understood it too | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:06 |
| @scrottie | "This is used as a fallback if the master daemon runner is not working" | 18:06 |
| @scrottie | oh, forkAndExec | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | tried forkAndExec too | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | but it doesn't work | 18:07 |
| @scrottie | daemonize() gets called before runCmd() does | 18:07 |
| @scrottie | runCmd is part of a callback passed to daemonize() | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | probably because its calling daemonize too | 18:07 |
| @scrottie | does deamonize() run? | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | what do you mean with run? | 18:07 |
| @scrottie | does daemonize() ever get called? | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes it does | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | It actually goes all the way to the &$sub() line | 18:08 |
| @scrottie | okay, just double checking | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | $sub being runCmd in my case | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | in runCmd, there's the slurp code | 18:09 |
| @scrottie | hrm. I'd love to know if perl is throwing any warnings or errors. | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is where it stops | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | I don;t get any | 18:09 |
| @scrottie | can you open STDERR and STDOUT to a log file and see if anything appears? and make sure it is STDERR->autoflush(1) ? | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | how would I do that? | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry, my brain is melting right now | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | I've been at this for the last 5 hours or so | 18:10 |
| @scrottie | at line 219 (or so, after the POSIX::close loop), do: open STDERR, '>>', '/tmp/wtf.log'; open STDOUT, '>>', '/tmp/wtf.log'; STDERR->autoflush(1); STDOUT->autoflush(1); | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh right | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | told you my brain was melting | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | hang on | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | in other words, I don't have a guess, so hoping perl will give me a clue | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | hey | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | my missing debug stuff is showing up in there | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | let me see if I can trace thing a bit better | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | be back in a couple of minutes | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks! | 18:15 |
| @scrottie | sure | 18:18 |
| @scrottie | I'm still looking at this too | 18:18 |
| @scrottie | I see where it reads from STDIN but not where it writes to it | 18:20 |
| @scrottie | oh, dup, duped to the pipe | 18:21 |
| +MrHairgrease | prolly that's the printflush just below the fork in daemoniz | 18:21 |
| @scrottie | yeah | 18:21 |
| @scrottie | I think that's all unnecessary... why fork and send data over a pipe to that fork? why not just leave it in memory before the fork? | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | actually I was wrong | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | the slurp does work | 18:22 |
| haarg | doesn't it have two different behaviors? one forking as needed and the other starting a pool of forked processes early? | 18:23 |
| haarg | the early forks would need a pipe or whatever to recieve the data. | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm now suspecting the session opening in runRequest | 18:23 |
| @scrottie | it looks like that may have been the intention, but the fork master spawns forks on demand | 18:23 |
| @scrottie | sub { exec ($Config{perlpath}, @argv) or die "Could not exec: $!"; } ... | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | that's why... using that as a callback. | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | in forkAndExec, the fallback for when the fork master isn't running | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | why is that necessary? knowing Paul, he had a reason but was shy about talking about it. | 18:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | sigh | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | Can't call method "isa" on an undefined value at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 291 | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | the eval in dameonize was hiding this | 18:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | in combination with the obscured STDOUT... | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | checking it out | 18:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | YES!!!!! | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | it works now! | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | changed: | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | if ( $self->request->isa( 'WebGUI::Session::Plack' ) ) | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | into | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | if ( $self->request && $self->request->isa( 'WebGUI::Session::Plack' ) ) | 18:32 |
| * scrottie highfives MrHairgrease | 18:32 | |
| * MrHairgrease hightens scrottie back | 18:32 | |
| @scrottie | yarr! | 18:32 |
| +MrHairgrease | thankyouthankyouthankyou | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | http://pastie.org/5044442 | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | by the way | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | at least as far as the unit tests are concerned, writing over pipes to the daemonized processes isn't needed | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | From what I've seen today it seems that all the data s json anyway | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | and could very well be passed as an argument | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | but maybe I'm wrong | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | this not my expertise is | 18:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:34 |
| @scrottie | hopefully this means that you get to sleep tonight, eventually. | 18:36 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I will have to | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm only human | 18:37 |
| +MrHairgrease | and the years of Eurotrashing have been wearing me out! =) | 18:38 |
| @scrottie | heh | 18:38 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well it's about 1800 now over here | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | just in time | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks again, I'll be out eurotrashing! | 18:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | have a good weekend! | 18:53 |
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| vanjwilson | got the new WRE compiled on Ubuntu 64-bit, only lingering issue is this error 'sh: Can't open /data/wre/sbin/wreconsole_mon.sh' from this line in our old crontab: 1 */6 * * * sh /data/wre/sbin/wreconsole_mon.sh This script doesn't seem to have been included in the new WRE build--has it been phased out? | 21:10 |
| haarg | i've never heard of that script | 21:11 |
| * scrottie scratches his head | 21:13 | |
| vanjwilson | Here it is: https://gist.github.com/3880651 (I think someone here who was highly concerned about security may have written it awhile back to make sure we did not leave wreconsole running by accident...) | 21:18 |
| vanjwilson | I just found it on another (unupgraded) WebGUI server we have--I guess I'll just copy it over from there and let it keep running | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | that's a way easier problem than Fork.pm not working on PlebGUI | 21:34 |
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| elnino | hey! which workflow deletes previous url history? | 02:41 |
| elnino | isn't there one by default? | 02:42 |
| elnino | and out of curiousity, when webgui "answers" to an old url, does it do a redirect to the new of any sort? | 02:48 |
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| @scrottie | previous url history? | 04:58 |
| @scrottie | as far as I know, that's only a function of previous revisions of assets having different urls | 04:58 |
| @scrottie | there's a workflow activity that deletes year old non-current revisions of assets | 04:58 |
| @scrottie | and as far as I know, when you visit an old url, that's just a matter of WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl running and grabbing that previous revision. | 04:59 |
| elnino | hi scrottie. | 05:45 |
| elnino | yep, I found that it is uner the "weekly maintainance" workflow. | 05:45 |
| elnino | and it defaults to one year. | 05:45 |
| elnino | I'm now wondering if there is a 301 or 302 involved with it "answering" to the old url. | 05:46 |
| elnino | but I'll take a look at WebGUI::Asset->newByUrl | 05:46 |
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| @scrottie | DELIKAT!!! | 03:19 |
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| @daviddelikat | scrottie!!!! | 17:55 |
| @daviddelikat | if you ping my user name the duck tells me | 17:55 |
| @daviddelikat | :) | 17:55 |
| @scrottie | >=) | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | this has been a test of the emergency delikat broadcast system. had this been an actual emergency, scrottie would be crying. | 18:23 |
| sbaur | I'm on a 7.6.35 site. I'm trying to use the version tag start time feature to make a change at a specific time. but, as soon as I commit the tag, the change is already live. what am I doing wrong? | 19:30 |
| sbaur | hmm, looks like the commit page has a second start time that has nothing to do with the start time on the tag. or t least is overwrites the start time set on the tag | 19:33 |
| @scrottie | strange. I could look at the code, but I don't know anything about that feature. | 19:49 |
| sbaur | and it's something that may have been fixed in a newer version. I will just remember to ignore the start time on the version tag and set it on the commit screen. (may just be a default overwriting when the commit screen comes up) | 19:50 |
| sbaur | just tested on demo. it gets ignored (overwritten) there too. I will file a bug. | 19:54 |
| sbaur | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12387 | 20:01 |
| @scrottie | thanks for that report. | 20:13 |
| ckotil | good to know. i was about to try and use that feature on our site | 20:57 |
| ckotil | to make a job posting go live on a certain date, and go away at the endtime | 20:57 |
| ckotil | i ended up doing the same thing with contentProfiling and a macro | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | crazy | 21:05 |
| sbaur | as long as you change the dates on the commit page, it seems to work fine. | 21:06 |
| ckotil | was more a proof of concept. bc now i've got a full blown content freshness workflow system. using contentProfiling tehre is a expire field. and a workflow sets the default expire time. then if an asset is expired, it get's flagged for review. another workflow then contacts the owner and links them to a sql report asset with a nice interface to review the content. | 21:06 |
| ckotil | with the goal of cutting down on stale documentation | 21:06 |
| ckotil | it't not quite production ready, but i hope to roll it out in the coming weeks | 21:07 |
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| @scrottie | BartJol! mornin'. | 23:58 |
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| Ben-Oh | good morning | 12:47 |
| Ben-Oh | (here anyway) | 12:47 |
| Ben-Oh | I have a question about caching in webgui (Cache/FileCache.pm) | 12:48 |
| Ben-Oh | the 'set' function defaults to a ttl of 60 seconds, but when I pass '0' as ttl, the code will store the results for 60 seconds | 12:50 |
| Ben-Oh | but I think '0' as ttl implies no caching? | 12:50 |
| Ben-Oh | I can patch the code, but is this a bug or a intended feature? | 12:56 |
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| @scrottie | hi Ben-Oh | 17:22 |
| @scrottie | dunno! probably just sloppy coding. if( ! $value ) { $value = 60 } type of thing | 17:22 |
| @scrottie | rather than defined/exists | 17:22 |
| @scrottie | there's another way to disable caching though | 17:22 |
| @scrottie | look in the config file | 17:22 |
| @scrottie | and most of admin's operations bypass caching | 17:23 |
| @scrottie | running wG without caching is not recommended. | 17:23 |
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| Ben-Oh | I don't want to run WG without caching, but I have a group based on a dbQuery that should not be cached, hence the cachetimeout of '0' | 17:43 |
| Ben-Oh | for now I patched Group.pm to not store or query the cache when the timeout is 0 | 17:44 |
| Ben-Oh | I would like the FileCache.pm to be fixed, but I don't know if that has an impact on other parts of WG | 17:46 |
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| @scrottie | yeah, I don't know either. | 18:16 |
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| sbaur | ok, i have another odd WG problem. I have a wg vm running on an old vmware host. (old vmware, nothing recent) I upgraded the kernel on the host yesterday morning. It's running RHEL 5. Yesterday afternoon, my main developer and user of this vm told me that he was getting proxy errors in our WG site, but only when logged in. On further investigation, i was able to log in fine, but if I tried to view his profile, I got the proxy error. I was able to perform other | 20:58 |
| ckotil | Is it bad that I want to write a workflow that will set the OwnerId to the CreatorId? | 20:58 |
| sbaur | there do not appear to be any errors in webgui.log | 20:58 |
| sbaur | modperl log has a bunch of Apache2:;SizeLimit httpd process too bigs and | 20:59 |
| sbaur | Out of memory! | 20:59 |
| sbaur | Callback called exit. | 20:59 |
| sbaur | whenever the proxy error show up | 20:59 |
| sbaur | I've tried reverting the database to last weeks backup, (this is a dev box so I can do all sorts of stuff) but that didn't make a difference | 21:00 |
| ckotil | sweet. so you solved it? | 21:00 |
| sbaur | I've tried changing our preload.custom to use the production repo instead of the dev repo, and that didn't change the behavior | 21:01 |
| sbaur | I'm very confused by this problem, only apparently associated with one user, that's not fixable with a database revert | 21:02 |
| sbaur | ckotil, was that directed at me? | 21:02 |
| ckotil | yes. i guess u didnt solve it | 21:02 |
| sbaur | nope, but i am extremely confused | 21:02 |
| ckotil | i get quite a few SizeLimit process too big, exiting events in my logs. but never out of memory | 21:04 |
| sbaur | i've gotten used to the SizeLimit errors as well | 21:05 |
| ckotil | so the user must be getting into something that is exhausting the memory | 21:05 |
| sbaur | but this is the first i've seen of the out of memory | 21:05 |
| ckotil | ya | 21:05 |
| ckotil | turn on debug mode and try to get the proxy error | 21:06 |
| ckotil | maybe it will output somethign useful before it dies | 21:06 |
| sbaur | ok, i'll try that | 21:06 |
| ckotil | debug mode in webgui settings | 21:06 |
| sbaur | oh, on screen, not the logging? | 21:06 |
| ckotil | then debug mode in apache if you dont get anything | 21:06 |
| ckotil | yeah i was thinking on screen at first. tho u might not see anything at all when htiting the proxy error | 21:07 |
| sbaur | debug mode is already on, from the settings, and it doesn't display anything on the apache error | 21:07 |
| ckotil | ah | 21:07 |
| ckotil | try debug mode in apache, just stay off of https if you can bc the logs get real chatty of ssl stuff | 21:07 |
| sbaur | well, i can generate the proxy error and out of memory error with out the size limit errors | 21:07 |
| sbaur | I can generate it with one reload, so hopefully it won't be too bad | 21:08 |
| * sbaur should have turned off spectre first, too | 21:09 | |
| sbaur | debug shows it trying to update the userSession | 21:11 |
| sbaur | but I think I'm going to make sure all my other sites are off and double check that that's the real fail | 21:11 |
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| sbaur | one of these days I'll write a script that lets me turn off individual sites | 21:16 |
| sbaur | yep, the update is the last thing it does according to what's logged before the proxy error kills everything | 21:17 |
| sbaur | ckotil: thanks for the idea, you've given us something to pursue. Hopefully it will lead to a solution | 21:27 |
| ckotil | yw | 21:30 |
| ckotil | hopefully a PB guru can tell you about some secret debugging to enable to help track down the issue | 21:30 |
| haarg | the sizelimit things aren't really errors, but just warnings | 21:33 |
| haarg | it's expected that you'll have them showing up in the logs | 21:33 |
| haarg | it only becomes a problem if they are showing a lifetime of a few seconds | 21:33 |
| sbaur | I've found something suspicious. the query (query4) that gets run right after the last query (query3) that gets logged is looking at the authentication table | 21:36 |
| sbaur | on my account i have 3 fieldnames that match that query connectDn, ldapConnection and ldapUrl, the user that's borked only has 2 | 21:37 |
| sbaur | no ldapConenction | 21:37 |
| sbaur | ok, added that in by hand and it doesn't fix it | 21:43 |
| ckotil | my new www_ functions which return JSON for ajaxy stuff are causing the Passive Analytic numbers to be skewed. is there a way to skip the PA stuff for certain functions? | 22:46 |
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| sbaur | ARGHHH! it was something in the Cache. You think I'd know by now to clean out the damn cache at the first hint of a problem <GRRRR> | 01:07 |
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| sbaur | In hindsight that makes perfect sense, but dammit, why can the cache make things fail in so spectacular and infuriating ways? | 01:38 |
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| sbaur | so, i like plainblack's new home page. but, where's the link to the support page? | 23:28 |
| ckotil | near the bottom | 23:59 |
| ckotil | customer login | 23:59 |
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| sbaur | hmmm, saw "WebGUI Service Providers" and didn't look at anything else in the box | 00:00 |
| sbaur | so one datapoint is "not a good title for that box" | 00:00 |
| sbaur | thanks ckotil | 00:03 |
| ckotil | yw | 00:11 |
| sbaur | so, I've just put together a basic little shell script that enables/disables the conf files for a site. Since my dev environment is ram limited, I find myself having to do this a lot. It's in the bazaar at http://www.webgui.org/addons/wg-site-toggle-shell-script if anyone else is interested | 02:15 |
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| @scrottie | paste from perlDreamer: | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | [12:06:47 EDT] perldreamer: btw, the Clone module is now officially deprecated in WebGUI | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | [12:06:52 EDT] perldreamer: we'll use Storable dclone instead | 19:08 |
| @scrottie | [12:07:17 EDT] perldreamer: JT's had problems with it, and when I upgraded my laptop to 5.14.2 over the weekend WebGUI went boom | 19:08 |
| haarg | unfortunate | 19:14 |
| haarg | seems like the module doesn't get enough attention for how useful it is | 19:14 |
| @scrottie | I also got reports of bugs with MySQL 5.5. we might actually have to fix some of this stuff =| | 19:15 |
| ckotil | im on wre 0.9.1 , and it comes with mysql 5.0.81. eesh | 19:23 |
| ckotil | Probably will be rebuilding my wre tho soon for 64 bit | 19:23 |
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| alpha- | hello | 14:47 |
| alpha- | is it possible to deploy current version of webgui as psgi ? | 14:48 |
| alpha- | also, is there postgresql support ? | 14:48 |
| j_wright | alpha-: to the second part, no, unfortunately, the first, webgui 8, yes | 14:53 |
| alpha- | no pg... well that sucks :/ but ok | 14:54 |
| alpha- | where can I find download of webgui 8 ? | 14:54 |
| alpha- | I only see 7.10.26 | 14:54 |
| j_wright | alpha-: i have heard rumours that Pg support might be being worked on | 14:55 |
| alpha- | also, can webgui 7.10.26 be deployed as fastcgi somehow ? | 14:57 |
| alpha- | found 8.0.0 download on sourceforge. | 14:59 |
| alpha- | so any idea about fastcgi? | 15:21 |
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| @scrottie | <alpha-> is it possible to deploy current version of webgui as psgi ? | 19:01 |
| @scrottie | Procolix has PlebGUI, a fork of WebGUI with patspam's original PSGI-ification work but not the rest of the 8 stuff | 19:02 |
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| +BartJol | scrottie: that is not entirely correct, Martin (who works for oqapi) made that and it is not running on our servers | 14:36 |
| +BartJol | and it is on github | 14:37 |
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| @scrottie | Oqapi. right. I knew that. and then I forgot =| | 18:00 |
| +BartJol | :) | 18:10 |
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| @scrottie | FrIdAy! | 19:14 |
| haarg | maybe i'll finally be able to get some sleep | 19:15 |
| ckotil | would it be possible to modify www_setContentPositions forcing the browser to reload the page at the end of it? | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | working too much? or partying too much? | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, I don't see why not, but I don't remember exactly what happens in that method. | 19:20 |
| ckotil | http://pastebin.com/vQfnfbgK | 19:21 |
| ckotil | ive added some code to reorder the rank also | 19:21 |
| ckotil | and i'd like to have it refresh the page, to update the Table of contents (nav asset). i mean, i could do it in JS, but i dont want to add more junk to the TOC. it needs to be lightweight and fast | 19:22 |
| ckotil | i actually reworked the TOC recently, using a bunch of css to format it, using class="depth<tmpl_var relDepth>" or whatever. it made such a huge performance gain | 19:23 |
| @scrottie | patches welcome! | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | let's see here... | 19:24 |
| ckotil | this goes against your whole idea of rank vs content positioning tho ;) | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | my idea? =P | 19:24 |
| ckotil | WebGUI's | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | oh. right. | 19:24 |
| ckotil | ;) | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | # | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | }last unless $child; | 19:25 |
| @scrottie | that's an unusuall cuddling | 19:25 |
| ckotil | but for my site, this works great | 19:25 |
| ckotil | but a refresh would be nice | 19:50 |
| @scrottie | JS. client side. | 20:00 |
| ckotil | yeah, gonna have to. but that will require a new www_ to pull down the output of the nav asset | 20:00 |
| ckotil | I'd like to use this, or do something liek it, except scope it down to the particular branch | 21:04 |
| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/areas-of-interest-rank-macro | 21:04 |
| ckotil | I can do it with the SQL macro, but it's sloooow. | 21:05 |
| ckotil | http://pastebin.com/GxitGy5v | 21:05 |
| ckotil | I have a script that creates a materialized view of that query to make things speedy. But I would still like to scope it by branch, but It's just too slow. Roughly 5 seconds to finish the query. | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | a1.className LIKE '%Article' ... that might be forcing a linear scan over the table | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | what happens if you change that to a1.className = 'WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Artile' ? | 21:46 |
| @scrottie | is there an index on the timestamp field? | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | matching on url should be less bad if there's an index on timestamp and it can already whittle the set down a lot before scanning over what's left | 21:48 |
| ckotil | i tried adding indexes | 21:55 |
| ckotil | timestamp has an index | 21:56 |
| ckotil | ill try changing to className | 21:56 |
| ckotil | scrottie: that helped quite a bit! | 21:59 |
| ckotil | shaved off 1.5 seconds | 21:59 |
| ckotil | so basically need to get all the LIKE's out of there | 21:59 |
| ckotil | nah, not gaining enough ground. oh well | 22:16 |
| @scrottie | url field indexed? | 22:18 |
| ckotil | KEY `passiveLog_url_index` (`url`) | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | might make sense to just tally them in the where clause but then filter on them in the having clause. | 22:19 |
| ckotil | i dont follow you. | 22:23 |
| ckotil | i may just end up having a buch of materialized views, for each top level branch. :/ | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | materialized? | 22:28 |
| ckotil | yeah, basically you make a scratch table. a throw away table | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | AND p.url NOT LIKE '/root/%' ... move all of that from the where clause to a having clause... was my suggestion of something to try. | 22:33 |
| ckotil | with your results | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | ah. | 22:33 |
| ckotil | ah, HAVING, i wasn't familiar with that | 22:33 |
| ckotil | ill try it | 22:33 |
| @scrottie | that doesn't sound like a bad plan... just do it in batch by a workflow that runs every hour or something. | 22:33 |
| ckotil | http://pastebin.com/WGecZVBe this is running every half hour | 22:34 |
| ckotil | i've got roughly 12 top level branches. it would be doable. | 22:34 |
| ckotil | using HAVING really slows it down. you have to select a bunch more things. | 22:40 |
| @scrottie | okay. thought maybe having idexes would let it count them basically for free which would reduce the number of things it had to pattern match in, but I was wrong. | 22:46 |
| ckotil | thanks for the suggestions | 23:07 |
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| zzing | I was looking to try webgui, but the linked install page: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/source-install is a 404. | 05:24 |
| @scrottie | where was that linked from? | 05:25 |
| zzing | http://www.webgui.org/download/source | 05:25 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 05:26 |
| zzing | The link text was " [Source Install Help]" | 05:26 |
| zzing | I think this is the right link: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/source-install | 05:27 |
| @scrottie | thanks for the broken link report. I can't fix it, but I'll pass it along. not sure why I'm not an admin on that wG. | 05:27 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/wiki/source-install works | 05:27 |
| zzing | That WRE thing on source forge files only seems to be listed for centos | 05:28 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 05:28 |
| zzing | I notice the install.txt mentions installed apache with modperl, is there a way to just use fastcgi with nginx? | 05:28 |
| @scrottie | WRE is a pre-built perl with most of the modules, apache, mod_perl, mysql, installed under their own tree. | 05:28 |
| @scrottie | yeah, a couple of ways. | 05:28 |
| @scrottie | wG8 is based on Plack, but it's alpha. | 05:29 |
| @scrottie | almost everything on the site except for stuff in webgui.org/8 is for 7. | 05:29 |
| zzing | I am not willing to use anything not 'stable' :P | 05:29 |
| @scrottie | also, there's a fork of 7 with the plack stuff in it but not the rest of the 8 stuff | 05:29 |
| @scrottie | "PlebGUI" it's called | 05:30 |
| @scrottie | you could run that with a FastCGI based Plack server. | 05:30 |
| zzing | I suppose a special install of apache that runs as another user wouldn't be so hard to do, but it would need to be a proxy from nginx | 05:31 |
| @scrottie | the forums have links to that. | 05:31 |
| @scrottie | I find mod_perl to be a huge pain, personally. | 05:31 |
| zzing | WebGUI looks like it is Really Big and Complicated ((TM)). | 05:31 |
| @scrottie | http://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/plebgui-7_10/3 | 05:32 |
| @scrottie | pretty much. | 05:32 |
| @scrottie | it's on my todo list to pull out a minimal core so that people can pick which complexity they want to deal with | 05:32 |
| @scrottie | the API is nice and the UI is okay though it does have some learning curfve. | 05:33 |
| @scrottie | curve. | 05:33 |
| @scrottie | it's more general, consistent, and logical than most CMSes. people seem to actually not hate wG ;) | 05:33 |
| zzing | I am actually running my own CMS right now if I can call it that. | 05:34 |
| @scrottie | happens a lot. | 05:34 |
| zzing | It is basically something that takes html files off the disk and inserts it into the middle of a template with a little bit of runtime code | 05:34 |
| zzing | So editing is easy :P | 05:34 |
| @scrottie | heh. | 05:34 |
| zzing | It is also written in haskell | 05:35 |
| @scrottie | nice. | 05:35 |
| zzing | But I have kind of lost some interest in continuing it, so for our student organization I wanted to look into a better solution. | 05:35 |
| @scrottie | setting up wG is a chore. it's easy to go wrong on the instructions. I have an experimental installer, but it's for wG8, not 7. | 05:36 |
| zzing | I found this: http://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/nginx-config-for-webgui-7.10#idOiv-vC76dzRls00lzLgiFQ But I am not sure how else to use this - what is this thing proxying to? | 05:36 |
| zzing | oh nvm, saw the omment in it | 05:36 |
| zzing | This is actually what I would need to connect nginx to apache | 05:37 |
| @scrottie | wG7 runs with two tiers of Apache httpds. the first one serves static files and proxies to the 2nd tier for dynamic/mod_perl content. | 05:39 |
| @scrottie | that way, most of the httpds can be smaller, without all of the perl goop loaded. | 05:39 |
| @scrottie | I imagine that replaces the front facing httpd with nginx. | 05:39 |
| zzing | Well I will get some of this stuff installed tonight anyways | 05:42 |
| @scrottie | I'm going to go afk pretty quick here. if you get stuck, please feel free to ask for help, but also please be patient and backlog. it's pretty slow in here outside of US business hours. | 05:44 |
| @scrottie | good luck! | 05:44 |
| zzing | I will keep that in mind, merci. | 05:46 |
| zzing | I noticed a reference to a mod_apreq, but I don't see it listed anywhere in the freebsd ports. Is it possibly part of something else? | 05:46 |
| @scrottie | hrm. installing wG7 from source, I didn't have to install anything other than the core Apache 2.x and mod_perl, so I imagine it must be one of the core modules included with Apache | 05:48 |
| zzing | It appears to have been under a libapreq2 | 05:49 |
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| zzing | This spectre thing, is it supposed to run as a certain user? I don't see that specified anywhere | 05:58 |
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| @scrottie | yeah, the user you create | 06:01 |
| @scrottie | ahem | 06:02 |
| @scrottie | yeah, the user you create to run the mod_perl httpd process as, probably 'webgui' | 06:02 |
| zzing | Already changed that :-) | 06:02 |
| zzing | My main problem right now is sometimes finding a missing perl module in the freebsd ports | 06:03 |
| @scrottie | I imagine they won't all be in there. | 06:04 |
| @scrottie | Debian doesn't have them all. | 06:04 |
| zzing | Don't under estimate freebsd ports :P | 06:04 |
| zzing | For anything but perl I would agree | 06:04 |
| @scrottie | hopefully you can install additional modules with testEnvironment.pl / the cpan shell. | 06:04 |
| @scrottie | without ports getting too cranky about it. | 06:05 |
| zzing | I much prefer a list that I can install properly | 06:06 |
| @scrottie | 'properly'? | 06:07 |
| @scrottie | if you give testEnvironment.pl the --simpleReport option, it'll list what's missing | 06:07 |
| zzing | ... Operating System: Linuxish | 06:08 |
| zzing | Quite a list of modules | 06:10 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 06:13 |
| @scrottie | alright, afk a bit. | 06:17 |
| zzing | I should ask, are there any other CMSs in perl that I should know about, possibly comparing them to webgui? | 06:17 |
| zzing | ok, enjoy | 06:18 |
| @scrottie | I like Faq-O-Matic a lot =) | 07:14 |
| @scrottie | aside from that, I can't think of anything else. Perl people stopped writing actual applications like Faq-O-Matic and analog about ten years ago and now they only write modules for each other. in fact, if you write an application for end users in Perl, the Perl community shuns you. | 07:15 |
| @scrottie | or system administrators or in general write anything other than just modules, I should say | 07:15 |
| zzing | That sounds rather bizare | 07:32 |
| zzing | I ran into this thing called bricolage that looked interesting | 07:33 |
| zzing | But it looked like nothing had happened for just under 2 years, and the last commit on github was 9 months ago | 07:34 |
| zzing | I love this, installed typo3, went through this beautiful configuration wizard, and at the end of it all, "Oops, an error occured" | 07:36 |
| @scrottie | bricolage is perl? I've heard of it but don't know anything about it. | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | huh. | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | I'll have to look at that some more. | 07:55 |
| @scrottie | heard of it before. | 07:57 |
| zzing | This reminds me, I have to check up on a user who had written a php application that was very dangerous, even had a "customsql.php" that was a direct sql injector | 08:01 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings. | 14:25 |
| SquOnk | Just downloaded webgui-7.10.27 stable. 66Mb .tar.gz | 14:26 |
| SquOnk | I think it has too many upgrade scripts. Old upgrade scripts from prior versions are ther. | 14:27 |
| SquOnk | there* | 14:27 |
| SquOnk | That's wrong, isn't it? | 14:27 |
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| haarg | SquOnk: which prior versions do you mean? | 16:05 |
| SquOnk | haarg: Upgrades from 7.4 upwards. | 16:06 |
| SquOnk | haarg: Extract the .tar.gz and docs/upgrades has many more upgrade scripts than needed. | 16:07 |
| haarg | that does seem a bit wrong. they don't exist in git. | 16:11 |
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| ckotil | for how long does the version tag system keep revisions? | 17:40 |
| haarg | one of the workflows cleans them out iirc. i don't remember what the default timeout is. you should be able to check the scheduled workflows. | 17:42 |
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| ckotil | ok thanks | 17:55 |
| @scrottie | a year. | 18:39 |
| haarg | scrottie: you know anything about the upgrade thing SquOnk mentioned? | 19:40 |
| haarg | new releases shouldn't have more upgrade scripts than exist in git | 19:40 |
| haarg | although there it isn't really a problem if the main upgrade script has the proper minimum version in it | 19:41 |
| haarg | but i seem to remember that not being kept up to date often | 19:41 |
| SquOnk | haarg, scrottie: The .tar.gz grew to 66Mb... that's weird. | 20:02 |
| haarg | probably all the packages for upgrades | 20:04 |
| SquOnk | haarg: I concur | 20:11 |
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| @scrottie | perlDreamer does the releases. I know painfully little about it. | 20:28 |
| @scrottie | report it as a bug? or post about it on the forums? | 20:28 |
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| vanjwilson | anyone else getting "Connection refused" errors trying to run the getsource.sh script for the new WRE? | 21:53 |
| @scrottie | haven't tried it... | 22:00 |
| vanjwilson | We had a copy of the sources on an Ubuntu server...we';; copy those over and try to build those on this other machine | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | you could also try a git checkout from github | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | or maybe that's what it's already trying to do and failing to | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | I wonder if it's just a transient failure | 22:09 |
| ckotil | anyone ever thought about limiting access to the wordCloud? in the generateCloud function there is no permissions check. | 22:36 |
| @scrottie | haven't heard anything about fixing that, nope. | 22:38 |
| ckotil | well , normally it's only used in the wikiMaster asset. which doesn't have fine grained access contrrol, so no big deal. | 22:38 |
| ckotil | but i've been generating wordClouds using generateCloud, and it works OK, but I'd like to restrict access a bit. i've added access control to the byKeywords function, which helps. but it would be nice to have it in the word cloud too. but I can't figure it out | 22:40 |
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| qwebirc81715 | Hi. I did a clean install of wre-0.9.4-centos-5-ia32.tar and webgui-7.10.27-stable.tar on Centos-5.8-i386, but testEnvironment.pl says that I'm using 7.10.26. I also noticed that 7.10.27 file is 3x normal the size. | 23:13 |
| haarg | there was a packaging error that ended up adding a number of additional files to the archive. they won't cause any issues though. | 23:14 |
| haarg | i don't know about the version issue. | 23:14 |
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| neilkpd | Hi. I installed webgui version 7.10.27 but testEnvironment.pl says that I'm using 7.10.26. | 15:52 |
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| +BartJol | neilkpd: there might be a difference what some files show for the version and what is registered in the database | 16:18 |
| haarg | neilkpd: there were apparently some issues with how that release was packaged | 16:19 |
| +BartJol | haarg: any estimate for when a replacement package will be released? | 16:38 |
| haarg | i have no idea | 16:38 |
| +BartJol | ok | 16:39 |
| haarg | i don't know if it's been passed along to perlDreamer | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | well, that might be a start :) | 16:39 |
| +BartJol | wrting a mail to him | 16:40 |
| +BartJol | ah, i see in a README file that it was compiled to v7.7.8.... | 16:46 |
| haarg | compiled to v7.7.8? | 16:48 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 16:48 |
| haarg | not sure what you mean by that | 16:48 |
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| +BartJol | oops | 16:49 |
| +BartJol | see in the private window | 16:50 |
| haarg | ah, i see | 16:50 |
| haarg | yeah, it's not that it was compiled with 7.7.8, it's that a bunch of extra files got included in the release | 16:50 |
| haarg | including that README file, which is from a different repo entirely | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | ok, well, if you do read README files, it seems like a disturbing message to me:) | 16:51 |
| +BartJol | not as terrible as "With this version you'll have to install php" but still | 16:53 |
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| @scrottie | what README? my git checkout of 7 doesn't have one... | 17:22 |
| +BartJol | but the tarball on upgrade.webgui.org does | 17:23 |
| +BartJol | in WebGUI/ | 17:24 |
| @scrottie | does upgrade.webgui.org exist...? | 17:40 |
| +BartJol | sorry, update | 17:41 |
| +BartJol | this link: http://update.webgui.org/7.x.x/webgui-7.10.27-stable.tar.gz | 17:41 |
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| +danny_mk | scrottie: have you had a chance to look at the selenium stuff? | 17:47 |
| @scrottie | I merged it in without running the tests. I think that's caught up. I didn't go and start fixing failures. | 18:04 |
| @scrottie | (are there failures?) | 18:04 |
| @scrottie | haven't been doing a good job of getting to stuff that I meant ot. | 18:04 |
| @scrottie | to | 18:04 |
| @scrottie | the level of chaos here is a bit above what I'm really capable of dealing with... I don't "multitask" well | 18:04 |
| +danny_mk | no problem, I know you are really busy, I have one failure but not sure if it is the selenium server or an actual test. Still working on that one. | 18:05 |
| @scrottie | just making excusesm, not begging for relief | 18:06 |
| +danny_mk | I am going to have to start helping you with some of the open issues so that we can get a beta out of 8 | 18:06 |
| @scrottie | you're absolutely welcome to get my attention here | 18:06 |
| +danny_mk | any update from PlainBlack about 8? | 18:06 |
| @scrottie | uh, yeah, kind of. | 18:06 |
| * scrottie ponders | 18:07 | |
| +danny_mk | well, was waiting for some news. Should I interpret your silence as bad news? | 18:07 |
| @scrottie | you know the basic situation as it stands now, right? | 18:08 |
| +danny_mk | sure | 18:08 |
| @scrottie | two guys working full time on wG, doing almost entirely client consulting work and then one other guy who does wG stuff part time (perlDreamer, bug fixes and releases) | 18:09 |
| +danny_mk | right | 18:09 |
| @scrottie | in the near future, there will be fewer. | 18:09 |
| +danny_mk | Oh lord, should I start learning PHP??? | 18:09 |
| @scrottie | eek, why would you do that? | 18:10 |
| @scrottie | it seems like wG needs to become more of a community project if it's going to survive. | 18:10 |
| @scrottie | I still have some things I want to do with it, including getting the installer out of alpha. I still think a really easy to use installer is very important. | 18:11 |
| +danny_mk | LOL, not really, just want to make progress, I have been waiting for 8 so that I can recommend it to other companies as they have issues about mod_perl apps | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | wG8 got stuck in a serious chicken and egg thing | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | no one would use it until it is done, and no one would call it done until it was spotted in the wild running something | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | on webgui.org/8, almost every major task that we wanted to accomplish got accomplished | 18:11 |
| @scrottie | but it never got the shake down it needed | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | but... | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | that's kind of neither here nor there if paying work isn't asking for it. | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | and like I said, people were asking *not* to have it. | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | people were way to happy to run 7, often very old versions of 7, too | 18:12 |
| @scrottie | when Doug and Frank left, the balance of things changed in the company a bit, at least on the wG side. then, we had high ranking programmers making decisions. when they left, all of the programmers were low ranking and owner-managers outranked them. priorities got changed. investment in the next generation CMS that would bring the next round of paying work subsided. then eventually the next generation of paying work followed. | 18:14 |
| @scrottie | in my unofficial opinion. | 18:14 |
| +danny_mk | your opinion sounds about right. | 18:15 |
| @scrottie | I would love to see the community run with wG8. fix the bugs. test it. I can help with stuff. | 18:16 |
| +danny_mk | I will again put up a website and go from there, not sure I want to get too much into developing stuff for 7. Got some good ideas for 8. | 18:16 |
| @scrottie | how do we rally the troops? | 18:17 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer is too concernative with wG8, I think. I think we need to just tell people to use it. the intsaller was kind in that spirit. if any serious bug gets unearthed, we fix it. | 18:18 |
| @scrottie | I imagine perlDreamer might do some releases now and then but the installer pulls from git and that's probably the best way to go for now. anything "unstable" can be done in a different branch and merged in. | 18:19 |
| +danny_mk | it would be great to have a yum or at least cpan installation | 18:19 |
| +danny_mk | that would help | 18:19 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 18:19 |
| +danny_mk | yum install webgui would go a long way | 18:20 |
| @scrottie | the first step on CPAN'ifying it is modularizing it more so that some of these deps like ImageMagick aren't in core. | 18:20 |
| @scrottie | someone has a Debian package. I don't know anything about making RedHat packages. | 18:20 |
| +danny_mk | me neither so we are at a disadvantage there | 18:21 |
| @scrottie | I made a decision for better or worse to attempt a "universal" installer script rather than learn how to make packages for a few systems. | 18:22 |
| +danny_mk | that sounds good | 18:22 |
| @scrottie | so next on my agenda is learning how to bootstrap things up on OSX. | 18:22 |
| @scrottie | at least once, it has run on Debian 32 and 64 bit and CentOS 32 and 64 bit. I need to go through another round of testing to shake out any bugs that I introduced. | 18:23 |
| @scrottie | I want to do Free | 18:23 |
| @scrottie | FreeBSD too. | 18:23 |
| +danny_mk | excellent | 18:23 |
| haarg | re: moving forward with imagemagick | 18:23 |
| @scrottie | OSX isn't popular for hosting things but it sure is popular for developer workstations and I think people will often test things locally before thinking about deploying it somewhere. | 18:24 |
| haarg | without doing any more coding, it can already be replaced for the simple things that the storage system has in it | 18:24 |
| haarg | so the only other issue is the graphing stuff, and that's only used by the poll | 18:24 |
| @scrottie | haarg, I meant to look at that, but if you happen to get around to merging that in before I do, please feel free to do so! | 18:24 |
| @scrottie | as I said before, it's still a step forward, imo, adding more deps if it means that the worst of the deps can be made optional. | 18:24 |
| haarg | so if you ripped out the poll (as a separate module or whatever) it could remove the imagemagick dep | 18:25 |
| @scrottie | well, no one is using 8 right now, so we can break things a bit. | 18:25 |
| @scrottie | or shake them up. | 18:25 |
| haarg | i should at least track down that code and verify it still does what i think it does | 18:25 |
| +danny_mk | exactly, this is the time to get it to a "cool" point | 18:25 |
| +danny_mk | well, cooler than it already is :-) | 18:25 |
| @scrottie | btw, the installer is offering to email me (via a web form POST) when it fails. I should have it offer to POST when it succeeds too. we can't count on feedback in this modern age of business =P | 18:26 |
| +danny_mk | smart | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | I need to get access to webgui.org so I can start running amuck more proiperly | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | put the installer up there... after one more round of testing/fixing | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | but yeah, I'm happy to help with the test that you're not sure about re: wG8 failure or Selenium failure | 18:27 |
| +danny_mk | good, I bet once you have the installer working and promote 8 a bit more it will take off, especially if we put in some of those update features we talked about. | 18:28 |
| @scrottie | haarg, if you want to test that now, I can merge it now >=) | 18:28 |
| +danny_mk | scrotte: I can handle the selenium stuff, just wanted to make sure it was appropriate for testing and that it was easy to follow | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | I'm mostly interesting in unearthing serious bugs that need fixing and fixing them. | 18:29 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | and having that automated since no one is likely going to ever want to test all of that stuff manually =P | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | so that we can say with some confidence that things basically work | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | how many times in this channel have I discussed which version of wG to use and people have decided that they want to use 7? | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | because 8 isn't tested? | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | well, now it's tested =P | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | I don't know if I asked this question before. Does my webgui branch on github get automatically updated by the commits in the plain black one? | 18:31 |
| haarg | no | 18:31 |
| +danny_mk | is there a way to autoupdate my branch from the plainblack webgui master? | 18:31 |
| @scrottie | generally, working locally, you'll pull from the "upstream" repo (plainblack/webgui in this case) and then push that to your github repo | 18:32 |
| @scrottie | nope. git really doesn't do much automatically. it just streamlines doing things manually. | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | OK, I have to save this answer or I will ask it again in three months :-/ | 18:32 |
| @scrottie | with no conflicts, it should be a matter of: git pull plainblack master; git push origin master | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | (if you had a remote named 'plainblack') | 18:33 |
| +danny_mk | thanks. Getting called for lunch be back later... | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | cool. bring it up again later. | 18:33 |
| haarg | scrottie: i can't easily test things right now, but i'll try to later | 18:43 |
| haarg | i rebased my patches though https://github.com/haarg/webgui/tree/imager | 18:43 |
| @scrottie | thanks, haarg. | 18:45 |
| sbaur | scrottie: just caught up on the conversation here. I, for one, am waiting for an installer that is easy to use for WG8. So thank you for your work on this. CENTOS/Redhat 64bit is what I'm looking for. Consiodering how different it will be to 7.x, I've pretty much decided that we will just redo most of our sites in 8 instead of having to do the full upgrade path from 7.6 (7.5 for one server) to 8. With as much custom code as we run, just having to look at it o | 18:51 |
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| @scrottie | API changes from 7 to 8 were mostly superficial | 18:54 |
| @scrottie | I wonder about a compatability shim | 18:54 |
| @scrottie | it wouldn't fix everything, but you should be able to use 7 style definitions on 8 in the simple cases. aliasing newByDynamicClass to new in Asset is easily done. | 18:56 |
| @scrottie | etc. | 18:56 |
| ckotil | i live and die by newByDynamicClass in 7 | 18:57 |
| haarg | given how 7 style definitions work i think it would be pretty nasty to try that. i guess it might be possible to fake things out for simple cases though. | 18:57 |
| @scrottie | yeah, it would be a lot of banging around in Moose meta stuff | 18:58 |
| sbaur | I think our custom code problems have more to do with the fact that our biggest/most complicated assets were originally written for WG 5.x. So they are just crufty and we are down to having just one programmer. OTOH, i don't know what any of the specific problems are, so I could be totally wrong | 18:58 |
| @scrottie | constructing things on the fly at load time | 18:58 |
| @scrottie | well, maybe human translation to 8 is the way to go. it shouldn't be too hard. again, it is mostly superficial... syntactical changes. | 18:59 |
| haarg | while the meta stuff would be a bit annoying, a large part of the problem in my mind is that ->defition from 7 needs a session | 19:00 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 19:00 |
| haarg | and it's allowed to be as dynamic as it wants based on that | 19:00 |
| haarg | usually it isn't, which is why you could probably fake it out to some extent | 19:01 |
| @scrottie | yeah, as soon as someone does something custom with a Form subclass, that breaks down | 19:09 |
| sbaur | Form subclasses, we got 'em :) | 19:10 |
| @scrottie | er even a custom constructor call to a core Form subclass requires $session | 19:11 |
| @scrottie | haarg, http://pastie.org/5143802 | 19:11 |
| @scrottie | not asking you to look into that now but that's what happened. I can work on it but if you have any observations, I'm all eyes. | 19:11 |
| haarg | woops | 19:12 |
| haarg | i just removed an extra line accidentally when rebasing | 19:16 |
| haarg | fixed and pushed | 19:17 |
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| @scrottie | can't load WebGUI::Asset without it using something else that uses it, giving a whole flood of redefined function warnings. grr. | 20:10 |
| @scrottie | when did this start happening? | 20:11 |
| @scrottie | other things already 'require' rather than 'use' WebGUI::Asset but that doesn't stop this. does that normally work? tried 5.16.0 and 5.14.2. | 20:11 |
| @scrottie | require WebGUI::Asset; | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | BEGIN { eval { require WebGUI; WebGUI->import } } | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | that's in WebGUI/Session/Style.pm, those two lines, just like that. | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | ha, and you wrote it | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | oh, no, you just merged stuff | 20:14 |
| haarg | waaaat | 20:17 |
| haarg | nothing should need to load WebGUI.pm directly | 20:18 |
| haarg | oh, it uses $WebGUI::VERSION | 20:18 |
| haarg | fun | 20:19 |
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| @scrottie | I forgot that wG8's test suite is kind of a train wreck still | 20:46 |
| @scrottie | "This repo holds a UPS shipping driver for WebGUI, developed against..." in a 67 meg archive. I see. | 20:50 |
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| haarg | yeah, seems a lot of extra files got packaged in there for some reason | 20:54 |
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| @scrottie | every since perlDreamer's wife left him to run off with a satanist cult, he has really been slipping on the QC | 20:54 |
| +danny_mk | later guys, have to get out of here. probably will be here tomorrow | 21:45 |
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| haarg | scrottie: when you were getting those redefinition errors, how were you loading the modules? | 23:15 |
| haarg | using perl -c lib/WebGUI/whatever.pm will commonly cause that | 23:16 |
| haarg | because of a combination of the circular loading stuff | 23:16 |
| haarg | and that loading a module by file path like that doesn't stick it into %INC | 23:17 |
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