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| @scrottie | haarg, yeah, -c. | 00:42 |
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| @scrottie | interesting nit. didn't know that. | 00:42 |
| @scrottie | unit tests are probably done running. there seemed to be some coverage of related logic but then some errors in tests that kept other stuff from testing. I'm thinking of fixing up the related tests at least first. | 00:43 |
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| +danny_mk | Hello everyone, I know how to run WebGUI8 for one site, however how do I run it for multiple sites. | 17:37 |
| haarg | it's not much different from 7 | 17:38 |
| haarg | it will load all of the config files in etc by default | 17:38 |
| +danny_mk | I am using = /usr/local/bin/plackup -E none -s Starman --workers 10 --disable-keepalive --port $PORT --pid $PID --daemonize | 17:38 |
| haarg | how are you running it for one site? | 17:38 |
| +danny_mk | where port is a local port that cannot be accessed from the outside | 17:39 |
| +danny_mk | then in apache ProxyPass / http://localhost:8990/ | 17:39 |
| +danny_mk | ProxyPassReverse / http://localhost:8990/ | 17:39 |
| +danny_mk | of course the site will only know about the "default" site | 17:39 |
| +danny_mk | I wonder if running it via a socket or PerlSetVar psgi_app /websites/myapp.example.com/app.psgi | 17:41 |
| +danny_mk | would be easier | 17:41 |
| haarg | i'd recommend creating a wrapper .psgi file | 17:41 |
| ckotil | http://evadeflow.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/TabsSpacesBoth.png | 17:41 |
| haarg | that loads the ReverseProxy middleware | 17:41 |
| +danny_mk | for one site the ProxyPass works great | 17:41 |
| +danny_mk | wrapper .psgi file??? | 17:43 |
| haarg | http://paste.scsys.co.uk/212424 | 17:44 |
| haarg | and load any other middleware | 17:44 |
| haarg | might want the SizeLimit middleware too | 17:44 |
| +danny_mk | Hmmm... this may be one of those FAQs for 8, maybe a document explaining it? | 17:45 |
| haarg | that was always intended to become part of the 'wre for 8' in whatever form it took, but that didn't really happen. | 17:47 |
| +danny_mk | wow, this is becoming a pain in the ass. One site will work then the other site will go into maintenance mode. Fix that one then both go into maintenance mode. etc... | 17:58 |
| +danny_mk | We are definitely going to need a page like this one: http://search.cpan.org/~xsawyerx/Dancer-1.3110/lib/Dancer/Deployment.pod | 17:59 |
| haarg | the maintenance mode thing seems odd | 18:02 |
| +danny_mk | well, that is were I am at | 18:03 |
| +danny_mk | tried a few different configs once one works the other one is in maintenance mode | 18:03 |
| haarg | maintenance mode should only happen due to upgrades/version changes | 18:04 |
| haarg | how were the sites created? | 18:05 |
| haarg | and you might check the webguiVersions table | 18:05 |
| haarg | also, wgd version | 18:06 |
| +danny_mk | alright, I am going to drop the databases then recreate the sites. This won't take long, stand by | 18:08 |
| +danny_mk | OK, they are working now. It may have happened because I ran "sbin/wgd reset --upgrade" for each configuration file. | 18:23 |
| +danny_mk | maybe not a smart idea but since the README specifies setting the WEBGUI_CONFIG variable I "ASS-UMED" I needed to run the upgrade for every site | 18:23 |
| +danny_mk | guess I was WRONG | 18:24 |
| ckotil | re: securing the tag cloud. http://pastie.org/5167349 | 18:26 |
| ckotil | pastie fail. http://pastebin.com/N9Fe8GXc | 18:26 |
| ckotil | it doesnt seem to affect load times at all | 18:26 |
| ckotil | tho i havent done extensive bench marking on it | 18:27 |
| @scrottie | you should have to upgrade each site | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | if you don't, besides being kind of busted, the admin bar won't work | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | that's the first thing most people notice if upgrades aren't run for a site | 18:29 |
| +danny_mk | I only upgraded one site and both worked fine | 18:29 |
| @scrottie | huh. | 18:29 |
| +danny_mk | before the upgrade both were broken | 18:29 |
| +danny_mk | yeah! that is the weird part | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | I doubt multiple configs got tested so it likely doesn't work very well | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | ie, has bugs | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | if I ran the upgrade twice I would get the maintenance mode on the sites | 18:30 |
| @scrottie | open a bug ticket and describe exactly what you did and what happened | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 18:31 |
| @scrottie | I don't see how that could have worked. | 18:31 |
| @scrottie | unless both config files point to the same database. | 18:31 |
| +danny_mk | did it five times | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | got pretty frustrating :-/ | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | every new site I bring up will be 8 | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | I am only leaving one of my sites at 7 until I am comfortable 8 is working fine | 18:32 |
| @scrottie | well, let's not be rash... | 18:33 |
| @scrottie | testing 8 along side 7 for a while might make sense | 18:33 |
| +danny_mk | sorry, that is the way it works. Got to take a chance somewhere to make progress | 18:33 |
| +danny_mk | You should be happy on not testing human viruses :-P | 18:34 |
| +danny_mk | on not = I am not | 18:34 |
| * scrottie stares at the output from yesterday's 'prove' run like it's a pile of dog vomit... | 18:40 | |
| @scrottie | the best part is that it never finished. it just wedged at a certain point. | 18:40 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, something is a bit confusing here, I am looking at a 7.10.27 version. Looking at the webguiVersion table I see that the last two rows are listed as 7.9.34 and 0.0.0. Is this normal? | 21:40 |
| sbaur | no, that's a bug | 21:44 |
| +danny_mk | Hmmm... seems almost like some db upgrades may not have happened. | 21:45 |
| sbaur | i can't find it on the bug board, but i remember a recent version fixing something like that | 21:45 |
| +danny_mk | how do I know the upgrades actually happened? I upgraded to 7.10.27 yesterday from a previous version and it displayed the "no upgrade required" message | 21:46 |
| sbaur | in 7.10.25 fixed #12346: toVersion in upgrade_7.9.34-7.10.22.pl was "0.0.0" | 21:48 |
| sbaur | maybe the same/similar bug happened again? | 21:49 |
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| +danny_mk | There are no entries after 7.10.27, I have done constant upgrades since that version | 21:52 |
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| @scrottie | seeing the names of the upgrade activities printed out while upgrades run is the most reliably way to know that they ran | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | but you could read through the code in the upgrade scripts and identify a definitive change one of them makes and then look to see if that change was made in your database | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | I have done that in the past | 22:06 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 22:07 |
| haarg | re: earlier discussion with wgd reset --upgrade | 22:09 |
| haarg | webgui's built in upgrade script will run the upgrades for all sites, because which is needed | 22:09 |
| haarg | wgd will limit it to a single site though | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | ah | 22:10 |
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| haarg | wgdev does kind of evil things to limit the upgrades to one site | 22:27 |
| haarg | it redefines WebGUI::Config::readAllConfigs, then runs upgrade.pl via do in a fork | 22:28 |
| @scrottie | haha | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | I really need to dust off and fix up Code::Splice | 22:31 |
| +danny_mk | lord, fixed the upgrades manually... argghhh.... | 22:37 |
| +danny_mk | at least it is up to date | 22:37 |
| @scrottie | sorry about that. | 22:44 |
| +danny_mk | hey, that is the price I have to pay for a really good CMS | 22:52 |
| +danny_mk | don't mind me | 22:52 |
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| +danny_mk | I was just venting | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | was the fix just a matter of removing the "0.0.0" entry? | 22:59 |
| +danny_mk | In my case: update webguiVersion set webguiVersion = '7.10.25' where webguiVersion = '0.0.0'; | 23:07 |
| +danny_mk | perl upgrade_7.10.25-7.10.26.pl --configFile portal.conf | 23:08 |
| +danny_mk | perl upgrade_7.10.26-7.10.27.pl --configFile portal.conf | 23:08 |
| +danny_mk | that did the trick | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | ah, noted | 23:09 |
| @scrottie | so sbaur was right about #12346... but I guess that creates a catch 22 where future updaters can't fix that since they won't run =| | 23:10 |
| haarg | the master upgrade script itself would need to fix that i'd think | 23:11 |
| +danny_mk | question: Why is the configuration information in a JSON file format instead of a Web interface (admin console) | 23:18 |
| +danny_mk | I mean, why is it not stored in the db? | 23:18 |
| +danny_mk | with a web interface | 23:18 |
| +danny_mk | short of the default database, login and password shouldn't that information be stored in a settings table? | 23:18 |
| +danny_mk | we need a db to run webgui anyway | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | the JSON file could have a web interface ;) | 23:19 |
| +danny_mk | I know but why not store that information in the DB? | 23:19 |
| @scrottie | that decision was made way before my time, so I can't tell you. | 23:20 |
| +danny_mk | sounds like an RFE if you ask me | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | the data in the JSON is hierarchical. it wouldn't map well to a RDBMS. perhaps what's why. | 23:20 |
| +danny_mk | it is pretty easy for a newbie to corrupt the config file | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | a lot of the stuff should be configured dynamically. you shouldn't have to list which Workflow Activities you have installed. | 23:21 |
| sbaur | +1 Scrottie | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | yeah. it should at least be using the new "lax" standard for JSON | 23:21 |
| haarg | doesn't it? | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | not last time I tried to leave a trailing comma. perhaps new versions of Config::JSON do. | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | and if you leave a syntax error in there, it doesn't tell you where. you have to use a JSON validation tool or the like to figure out what you screwed up. again, the last time I tried. | 23:22 |
| haarg | things in the config file are things that should be controlled by the server administrator, not the site administrator | 23:22 |
| +danny_mk | To make sure I don't mess-up the file I often run: perl -MConfig::JSON -e 'Config::JSON->new("/data/WebGUI/etc/site.conf");print "OK\n";' | 23:22 |
| haarg | Config::JSON does allow trailing commas | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | hrm. okay. | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | did it not about 1.5 years ago? | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | doesn't matter. | 23:26 |
| haarg | since at least 2008 | 23:27 |
| sbaur | I've had it get mad about trailing commas too | 23:27 |
| sbaur | maybe in certain types of arrays/lists? | 23:28 |
| haarg | re: listing installed workflow activities, that isn't something that should be under the control of the site admin generally | 23:28 |
| haarg | the issues i've had with trailing commas is that it never includes them when writing out the file | 23:28 |
| haarg | so if you add an extra entry you have to remember to add the comma to the previous line | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | I'm used to being the site admin *and* wG admin so I'm not used to thinking in terms of different roles. | 23:29 |
| haarg | and any upgrade processes will strip out trailing commas | 23:29 |
| +danny_mk | later guys, have to get out of here... | 23:45 |
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| ckotil | anyone have or hear about a markdown interface for webgui for creating assets? | 15:03 |
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| @scrottie | hrm? how would that work? | 15:35 |
| haarg | i can think of one way that wouldn't be too hard, except for replacing the rich text editor with a plain text box | 16:15 |
| @scrottie | "creating assets" in which sense? like an Article that just displays content? | 16:24 |
| +BartJol | btw, I see that the 7.10.27 package has been updated on the update page. All seems to work now | 16:24 |
| ckotil | one way could be just under the rich editor, have an uplaod form that would accept the markdown file | 16:25 |
| ckotil | and voila, an asset is born | 16:25 |
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| haarg | you could install the markdown plugin for template toolkit and use that to format markdown text | 16:31 |
| haarg | and you could globally override the description field to be text instead of html | 16:31 |
| haarg | but that would be problematic in a couple ways | 16:32 |
| ckotil | ya, bc you'd still want to support the rich editor | 16:32 |
| ckotil | markdown support would just be for power users,and tech writers | 16:32 |
| haarg | for a collaboration system it would be easier because you can build your own edit form | 16:33 |
| ckotil | interesting. | 16:34 |
| ckotil | tho ive got too much invested into using layouts/articles/files for my doc system to switch now | 16:34 |
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| elnino | hello! | 17:17 |
| sbaur | hi elnino | 17:18 |
| @scrottie | hihihi | 17:38 |
| elnino | hihihihi | 19:20 |
| elnino | byebyebye | 19:22 |
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| @scrottie | git log master..scott-wg8 ... even after I cherry-pick something into master from scott-wg8, it still shows up in git log master..scott-wg8. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | I'm doing something wrong here. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | worse, I can cherry-pick it over and over and have it show up in the log over and over without ever getting the "would result in an empty commit" error. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | do I need to re-install Windows? | 23:35 |
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| @scrottie | and after joking about having to re-install Windows, Linux suddenly loses the ability read/write the HD until I force power it off | 02:39 |
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| @scrottie | yarrr. | 21:39 |
| +danny_mk | yes? | 21:41 |
| @scrottie | no. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | maybe. | 22:26 |
| @scrottie | sometimes. | 22:26 |
| haarg | i don't believe you | 22:30 |
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| vanjwilson | Does anyone know how to get a DataForm email to also go to the user filling out the DataForm, if there is a required email field on the form? (This can be the same email that comes to the website admin.) It would be a as a confirmation record for the user, in addition to them seeing the Acknowledgement page. | 18:15 |
| sbaur | it's definitely doable, but it's been years since we set it up. let me poke around a bit | 18:16 |
| sbaur | i don't "think" we used custom code for that | 18:16 |
| vanjwilson | thanks, sbaur | 18:17 |
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| sbaur | 1 way might be to create a workflow and then select it in the Add Entry Workflow on the DF | 18:18 |
| vanjwilson | hoping to avoid heavy lifting, like a Workflow Activity, although I'll search the bazaar to see if someone has already written a generic one for this task... | 18:20 |
| sbaur | yep, that's the way to do it. the mail templates don't actually do anything with the mail headers | 18:20 |
| sbaur | and the example I was thinking of was in a custom asset, not DF | 18:21 |
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| alpha- | any idea when webgui 8 going to be officially released? | 19:07 |
| alpha- | (and a WRE with it) | 19:07 |
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| @scrottie | alpha-, it's open source. | 00:54 |
| @scrottie | there's not much secret development going on behind closed doors. | 00:55 |
| @scrottie | what you see in the commit log on github is what is happening. | 00:55 |
| @scrottie | there are a lot fewer people working on it than there used to be. we used to have one person full time on it. | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | none of our clients are asking for it. | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | my advice, if you want to see it "released", is to put up a site on it (or a testing site), fix bugs you find, and, if you discover that it's working well, tell us about it. | 00:56 |
| @scrottie | there's at least a testing WRE for it. I added some instructions in the docs/ directory not long ago for setting that up. | 00:57 |
| @scrottie | I'm also working on an installer that uses Debian or CentOS system packages rather than the WRE. | 00:57 |
| @scrottie | in fact, I'm watching it run right now. | 00:58 |
| @scrottie | in PlainBlack, there are 2.5 people doing wG related stuff. one way or another, that's going to be down to 1.5 soon. | 00:59 |
| @scrottie | wG8 has to become a community effort. | 01:00 |
| @scrottie | (wG related stuff means client consulting, mostly) | 01:01 |
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| alpha- | alright | 02:59 |
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| @scrottie | hey everyone! | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | anyone want to test my wG8 installer? CentOS seems to be go. at least for me. | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | I did Debian first but didn't completely finish it (system startup files are todo) and it's likely broken now. | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | also, anyone strong with OSX stuff that could help me later add support for that? | 21:19 |
| haarg | maybe | 21:19 |
| @scrottie | oh, hai! | 21:20 |
| haarg | what kind of os specific stuff do you have in mind? | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | installing packages -- mysql/percona, libcurses, nginx, perl, and so on. | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | setting up system startup files (rc stuff, or whatever OSX does) | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | adding a user. | 21:21 |
| sbaur | scrottie, macports is your friend :-) | 21:21 |
| haarg | unfortunately there are at least three different 'package managers' for mac | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | ugh. building Curses and Curses::Widgets from source, if no packages are available. or maybe bundling pre-built perl modules. | 21:22 |
| haarg | personally, i use homebrew | 21:22 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, noted. still, I have no experience with the platform as a developer, so knowing who to ask about stuff will help helpful. | 21:22 |
| @scrottie | I'll just ask the channel it looks like =) | 21:22 |
| haarg | which is basically just a bunch of recipes for compiling various packages from source | 21:22 |
| @scrottie | pkgsrc style? | 21:23 |
| haarg | and trying not to duplicate things that come with the os | 21:23 |
| * scrottie nods | 21:23 | |
| haarg | so it's pretty lightweight, but isn't a proper 'package manager' | 21:23 |
| @scrottie | and again, I'm looking for testers for this thing. | 21:23 |
| @scrottie | if I use an installer which isn't the preferred installer of the owner of the machine, then my installer will probably be rejected. | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | er, unless I use their favorite installer, they probably won't use my script. | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | it sounds like. | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | seldom do different package managers mix and match well. | 21:24 |
| haarg | i think it would work fine to have both macports and homebrew on the same machine | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | hmm, okay. | 21:25 |
| haarg | they use different roots and generally don't touch things outside that | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | oh, wow. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | I probably need a newer OSX install to develop/test on, too. | 21:25 |
| @scrottie | which probably means newer Mac hardware. | 21:30 |
| haarg | what processor and os x version do you have? | 21:31 |
| @scrottie | 233mhz G3, 10.3 Panther | 21:32 |
| haarg | heh | 21:32 |
| sbaur | yep, it's time to upgrade :-) | 21:32 |
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| @scrottie | just to be a jerk, I want to walk into the Apple Store with an Apple ][ and try to get them to help me read a bad floppy disk | 21:34 |
| sbaur | mac mini, 2.5GHz dual core i5 4GB ram starts at $599 | 21:34 |
| sbaur | lol scrottie | 21:34 |
| sbaur | you'll probably need a $29 display adaptor for that mini though | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | honestly, I'm going to try one of these piratebay OSX-on-PC-hardware installs on one of my beige-box AMDs | 21:35 |
| sbaur | seems "risky" from a development PoV | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | if that doesn't work, then I'll borrow hardware from PlainBlack | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | risky legally or security wise? | 21:36 |
| sbaur | risky, as in unpredictable results | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 21:37 |
| sbaur | just because apple/mac is such a walled hardware/software garden | 21:37 |
| sbaur | but, I am not a developer, so it's not an informed opinion at all | 21:38 |
| sbaur | but i am a long time mac user for whatever that's worth | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | in theory, all of they did was throw an EFI-compat bootloader on there, replace the kernel, and add some drivers. but you never know. | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | er, all they did | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | well, this is stuff I know little about, I'm grateful for the suggestions. | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | lead | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | lead acid batteries are terrible. I need a UPS with nimh, at least. | 21:49 |
| ckotil | i went the mac mini route. got the upgraded cpu, and base everything else. then got a 16gb ram kit from crucial for cheap | 22:09 |
| ckotil | figure after a while I will throw a ssd in ther along side the hdd (it has room for both) | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | you don't take a laptop with you everywhere you go? I guess the phone revolution might be staving off the extinction of the dekstop | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | desktop | 22:15 |
| ckotil | ive got a laptop too. 13" macbook. im such a mac sucker | 22:16 |
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| @scrottie | when Atari was big, I did my best to buy everything they made... 600XL, XE-GS, 130XE, 800 (just for kicks), 2600, Lynx, 7800, Jaguar... as well as all of the computer accessors like the XF551 drive. | 22:50 |
| @scrottie | then when Amiga was big, I tried to buy everyone... the 1000 then the 3000 with video cards and RAM and CPU upgrades... | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | when the PalmPilot came out, I had to have one, and I probably sold 20 of them to random people on the street and friends. then WindowsCE then Nokia N800... | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | but now I think I'm just done. | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | I got it out of my system. | 22:52 |
| @scrottie | my Panasonic Toughbook is badly out of date but I have no enthusiasm for the idea of fighting with Linux on a newer machine, trying to get things to actually work. making things work was a battle I wonder thousands and thousands of times over only to, soon afterwards, find myself right back in the same battle. | 22:53 |
| @scrottie | er, battle I wasted | 22:56 |
| @scrottie | I've also, way too many times, thrown away everything I know to migrate to another system and start at square one. can't get anything done like that. | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | bleah. | 22:57 |
| @scrottie | sorry. | 22:57 |
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| diakopter | hi | 06:48 |
| diakopter | any plainblack folk around? | 06:53 |
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| @scrottie | hi diakopter | 09:47 |
| @scrottie | what's up that brings you this channel at this hour? | 09:47 |
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| haarg | scrottie: ping | 18:13 |
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| @scrottie | pong. | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | sup? | 19:53 |
| haarg | for webgui-on-cpan, what are your thoughts on the etc directory? | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | argh. | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | sorry, only easy questions today. | 19:55 |
| * scrottie closes the blinds | 19:55 | |
| @scrottie | I guess if you did the usual App thing, it would be a .rc file in the user's home directory that was optional and had full defaults | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | daemons... that would be a better match... | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | there are App:: modules but if there are Daemon:: modules, they're probably for making daemons, not actual daemons in and of themselves | 19:56 |
| haarg | well, the per site config files i'm somewhat less worried about, since they are only 'collected' by app.psgi | 19:56 |
| haarg | well, and i guess spectre | 19:57 |
| haarg | the spectre and log configs are the kind of nasty bits | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | there's a webroot and a domain name... uploads path and extras... | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | keep etc where it is, keep the sample file in there, bundle my installer, require WEBGUI_CONFIG set when run... | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | make people run the stupid installer | 19:58 |
| haarg | webroot, domain name, and uploads all are in the site config, which can be put anywhere really. | 19:59 |
| haarg | extras can be installed as shared files - they can be treated as read only | 19:59 |
| haarg | anything read only is easy to package | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | it seems like a setup utility that knew how to translate shared files (sample .conf, OS specific startup files for wG/plack, etc) into system config files | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | ... would be the way to go | 20:05 |
| haarg | to some extent | 20:05 |
| haarg | but the location for those files is baked into the source | 20:05 |
| @scrottie | it's a daisey chain | 20:06 |
| haarg | i did as much as possible to eliminate that for site configs, but the global configs are trickier | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | the rc.d files point to the app.psgi | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | so the installer would just have to set all of that up | 20:06 |
| haarg | generating the files based on templates is relatively easy. locating the global files is the ugly bit. | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | I can make it fall back on adding stuff to rc.local, too | 20:06 |
| @scrottie | locating them when? | 20:07 |
| @scrottie | when wG is started up by init? | 20:07 |
| haarg | yes | 20:07 |
| haarg | so env vars would certainly be an option | 20:07 |
| haarg | could probably do $ENV{WEBGUI_ETC} || '/etc/webgui' or something | 20:08 |
| haarg | or no fallback and just die | 20:08 |
| @scrottie | yeah, well... my installer, as it stands, cd's into the right directory, sets the right environment variables, and runs it... in the rc.d file | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | er, makes an rc.d file that does that | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | you'll probably be as consternated by my code as I am by yours ;) | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | since I wrote it initially entirely off the clock, I didn't use standard style | 20:15 |
| haarg | what env vars does it set? | 20:15 |
| @scrottie | have a fresh CentOS install? | 20:15 |
| haarg | nope | 20:15 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:15 |
| @scrottie | let me see | 20:16 |
| haarg | a couple other cpan deps are broken :/ | 20:16 |
| haarg | one would be an easy fix, the other should probably be ripped out | 20:16 |
| haarg | Business::Tax::VAT::Validation fails its pod test because of an encoding issue | 20:17 |
| haarg | Weather::Com requires Time::Format, which is broken | 20:17 |
| haarg | or possibly Date::Manip is broken, causing Time::Format to fail | 20:18 |
| haarg | i really hate Date::Manip | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 20:18 |
| haarg | if there was an alternative weather provider, that might be a better solution than fixing Weather::Com | 20:19 |
| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/2973558 line 1609 | 20:24 |
| @scrottie | I had templates for the config files included in a uuencoded tar.gz on the end but they kept changed and then the whole uue would change so I decided it was cleaner just to hard-code them in, Frank style | 20:25 |
| @scrottie | goal of the installer is to be a single file you download and run | 20:25 |
| haarg | the problem is that with a cpan type dist there is no 'webgui root' anymore | 20:30 |
| haarg | i might just change it to have a baked in default log config that basically does nothing, and move the log init to the app.psgi | 20:30 |
| @scrottie | well, there still can be an etc directory. | 20:34 |
| @scrottie | and that can be installed somewhere. | 20:34 |
| @scrottie | defaulting to logging under /var/log is not a bad default option. | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | and the installer could create and populate the /etc directory. it could do it in someone's homedir, in /data, in /usr/local, or whatever. | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | after people install the WebGUI module, they have a choice of doing the source install or using the system-packages installer (with the WRE route a different path). either way, if they're doing source install or running an installer, rc.d files are getting created and an etc directory set up. | 20:38 |
| @scrottie | and the installer would be copying some of the etc stuff from 'share' | 20:39 |
| @scrottie | or am I missing something? | 20:40 |
| @scrottie | rc.d files point to app.psgi; app.psgi pulls in the site psgis; those load the perl modules and config files; those reference databases, static, and dynamic files | 20:40 |
| @scrottie | sorry, I'm tired. | 20:41 |
| @scrottie | no "webgui root". right. the installer currently makes a directory at a location the user specifies (or defaults to) and puts etc and WebGUI/lib/WebGUI in there. | 20:42 |
| @scrottie | but yeah, it would make more sense if "webgui root" went away. | 20:42 |
| @scrottie | it's doing a git clone, but ultimately installing it with cpanm probably makes more sense. | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | so it boils down to putting etc somewhere completely different than 'domains' | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | log init in app.psgi seems reasonable | 20:47 |
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| ckotil_ | scrottie: what's the name of the UI test suite you were working on with someone else? | 23:06 |
| haarg | selenium? | 23:07 |
| ckotil_ | yes! | 23:18 |
| ckotil_ | thank you haarg | 23:21 |
| scrottie | oh, hai | 23:31 |
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| scrottie | I didn't do diddly squat but merge code and run the tests a couple of times | 23:31 |
| scrottie | it was all danny_mk there | 23:31 |
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| ckotil_ | yeah, i coudlnt think of danny's name | 23:34 |
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| +danny_mk | If I want to change database links dynamically do I only use: WebGUI::DatabaseLink->new($self->session, $dbLinkId) | 17:25 |
| +danny_mk | or is there something I may be overlooking? | 17:32 |
| haarg | what do you mean by change them dynamically? | 17:40 |
| +danny_mk | OK, for example, I have a client that has multiple stores. Every store has its own DB (dbLink) that we can connect to via VPN... | 17:42 |
| +danny_mk | Given a drop down menu where he can set the store (in the session) we can dynamically assign the dbLink to the store | 17:42 |
| +danny_mk | does that make sense? | 17:43 |
| haarg | that mostly makes sense. and that is how you create a dblink instance. | 17:48 |
| +danny_mk | Like a store dbLinkId stored in: $session->scratch->get('selectedStoreDbLink') | 17:48 |
| haarg | session scratch can only store simple values | 17:49 |
| haarg | not objects | 17:49 |
| +danny_mk | a dbLinkId is a simple value | 17:49 |
| haarg | yeah sorry. read that wrong. | 17:49 |
| haarg | so yes, you can store the id in there just fine. | 17:50 |
| +danny_mk | LOL, yes, I got that I was just wondering about best practice and if anyone does anything different | 17:50 |
| haarg | seems like a pretty reasonably way to do it | 17:51 |
| +danny_mk | OK, thank you. | 17:52 |
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| haarg | scrottie: new release of Business::Tax::VAT::Validation out that should pass its tests and install cleanly from cpan | 19:20 |
| sbaur | So, today's project is to get WebGUI running on 64bit RHEL 5 | 19:45 |
| sbaur | Anyone have any pointers for me? I'm downloading the wre (0.9.4) right now | 19:46 |
| sbaur | though that specifically says ia32 in the filename | 19:46 |
| sbaur | the wre installation page in the wiki only seems to have recommendations for 64 bit mac os | 19:47 |
| sbaur | hmmm found this thread, maybe I'll try this route instead - https://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/wre-for-centos-6-64bit | 19:49 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, try the installer! | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | 64 bit CentOS was the last platform I tested it on | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | wait, 7 or 8? | 19:59 |
| sbaur | wg 7 | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | ah. | 19:59 |
| sbaur | so, that means no installer... right? | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | yeah, sorry. | 20:11 |
| @scrottie | it pretty squarely targets 8. | 20:12 |
| sbaur | that will be good for later, assuming 8 is ever released | 20:14 |
| sbaur | pvanthony has written up the procedure really well (at least so far) in the thread I linked to. I think it should be added to the wiki (and I will after I finish with it) | 20:18 |
| sbaur | of course, getsources is having some issues... | 20:19 |
| sbaur | er, getsource.sh | 20:20 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | patches welcome! | 20:32 |
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| @scrottie | delikat! | 20:59 |
| sbaur | filed a bug with a patch file, though maybe someday I'll figure out how to use git for this sort of stuff | 21:27 |
| sbaur | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12400 | 21:30 |
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| @scrottie | wget -t 4 -nv http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/libpng/zlib/1.2.7/zlib-1.2.7.tar.gz?user_mirror=autoselect | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | -tar zxf zlib-1.2.7.tar.bz2 | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | +tar zxf zlib-1.2.7.tar.gz | 23:22 |
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| @scrottie | so... the script was requesting a .tar.gz and getting a .tar.bz2, but now it gets a .tar.gz? | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | curious. | 23:23 |
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| @scrottie | is that patch relative to a git checkout of wrebuild? if so, which branch? | 23:25 |
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| sbaur | i did this, git clone https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild.git | 23:33 |
| sbaur | and then git checkout wre7 | 23:33 |
| sbaur | does that answer your question scrottie? | 23:33 |
| sbaur | Task::WebGUI sure does take an awful long time to install | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | yup, answers the question. | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | I commented on the ticket too. | 23:51 |
| sbaur | cool | 23:53 |
| sbaur | now to look at 1500 lines of output and figure out why "! Bailing out the installation for Task-WebGUI-2.0000" | 23:56 |
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| sbaur | scrottie, the fact that Task::WebGUI fails to install somethings because of Library locations, is that something that can be fixed in Task:WebGUI? (e.g. Crypt::SSLeay, XML::Parser) | 00:12 |
| sbaur | or can it only be fixed by hand? | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | uh, depends why it is failing | 00:38 |
| sbaur | see number 18 on this thread http://www.webgui.org/forums/dev/wre-for-centos-6-64bit/14 (second to last post) | 00:39 |
| sbaur | and, why, for some of the modules does running perl Makefile.PL;make;make install fix it? | 00:40 |
| sbaur | oh, that should be item 18 in the 14th post on the thread... | 00:40 |
| @scrottie | ImageMagick-perl.$cpu ... this package needs to be installed or ImageMagick won't build | 00:41 |
| @scrottie | there may be other cases where a perl module requires something to be installed from source or a package | 00:42 |
| sbaur | no, the stuff about Crypt::SSLeay and XML::Parser | 00:42 |
| @scrottie | "For Crypt::SSLeay, I had to change the include directory option in the Makefile. From -I/usr/local/include to -I/data/wre/prereqs/include" | 00:43 |
| sbaur | right, i was wondering if Task::WebGUI could somehow make that happen when it's trying to install | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | the toolchain (gcc and ld in particular) by default doesn't know to look in /data/wre/prereqs/include and lib for stuff it needs | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | not exactly... | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | but you can do: export CFLAGS=-I/data/wre/prereqs/include | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | and export LDFLAGS=-L/data/wre/prereqs/lib | 00:44 |
| @scrottie | *but* there are three different perl build systems in common use, and only one of them reliably gets that right. and one reliably doesn't. | 00:45 |
| @scrottie | Module::Build, ExtUtils::MakeMaker, etc | 00:45 |
| sbaur | I don't have the time to wipe everything out and see if doing that before trying the Task::WebGUI install would help | 00:45 |
| @scrottie | don't wipe everything out. | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | just do cpanm Task::WebGUI again | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | the stuff that installed is fine, and it won't try to rebuild and reinstall it. | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | the stuff it got stuck on, it might get past. | 00:46 |
| sbaur | cool | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | if not, go from source. | 00:46 |
| @scrottie | cpanm has a ~/.cpanm directory and has the build directories stashed in there. you should be able to cd into there and try to continue where it left off. | 00:47 |
| sbaur | I guess after spending hour+ waiting for Task::WebGUI to install, I'm just kind of peeved I still need to install 15 modules from source | 00:47 |
| @scrottie | heh, yup. | 00:47 |
| sbaur | peeved may be an understatement, and we wonder why people have problems getting started with WG | 00:47 |
| @scrottie | yup, I know. people that PlainBlack hires take a week to get a dev environment going. | 00:48 |
| haarg | instead of digging into the .cpanm dir, you can run cpanm --look Module::Name | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | with hundreds of module deps, almost on a daily basis, one module will break another one, or will just plain break, wedging the whole thing up. | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | haarg++ | 00:49 |
| haarg | it will download and extract the module and drop you in a shell in the build directory | 00:49 |
| @scrottie | wG7 avoids many of the really pathological modules, though | 00:49 |
| haarg | i tried to install all the wg8 prereqs from cpan the other day, and the only modules that had issues were also used by wg7 | 00:50 |
| haarg | one has now been fixed, one can't be fixed, and the other probably won't be | 00:51 |
| haarg | Date::Manip can die in a fire | 00:51 |
| @scrottie | I couldn't run wG8 on my laptop without a bunch of hacks until I blew away my /usr/local/lib/perl5 and rebuild everything from a CPAN::Bundle... which itself was utterly broken and required a day to nurse along | 00:54 |
| sbaur | ok, Task::WebGUI is now installed | 00:57 |
| sbaur | Phew | 00:57 |
| sbaur | now it's time for a bit of a break. I'll come back to it in 30 min or so | 00:58 |
| @scrottie | yay | 01:10 |
| haarg | i may have to try replacing Weather::Com with some other module. it relies on a module i'm unconvinced will ever be fixed, and is kind of terrible aside from that. | 01:21 |
| sbaur | so i just tried to run the wreconsole from 7.6, and it said it couldn't find string/random.pm Is this still used in newer versions? does anyone know if newer testEnvironments test for it if it is? | 01:58 |
| @scrottie | String/Random.pm ...? | 02:05 |
| @scrottie | not checked for by testEnvironment.pl | 02:06 |
| sbaur | $ ./wreconsole.pl | 02:06 |
| sbaur | Can't locate String/Random.pm in @INC | 02:06 |
| sbaur | don't know if current versions of the wreconsole need it tho | 02:06 |
| @scrottie | wre/lib/WRE/Site.pm and some other .pms and .pls use it | 02:06 |
| sbaur | *just installed 7.6.35* | 02:07 |
| sbaur | so should probably be in testEnvironment | 02:07 |
| @scrottie | so it should be in testEnvironment.pl, I guess | 02:07 |
| * scrottie nods | 02:07 | |
| sbaur | now I have to figure out why mysql will not start... | 02:09 |
| sbaur | without a log file, cuz it doesn't seem to get that far | 02:09 |
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| sbaur | ok, the initial create.sql is not being called by wreconsole, or maybe even something earlier... | 02:16 |
| sbaur | something's screwy when mysql.host doesn't exist | 02:17 |
| sbaur | and that is a problem for tomorrow. Good night all | 02:18 |
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| sbaur | have folks seen this article? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/dell-releases-powerful-well-supported-linux-ultrabook/ The Profile Tool mentioned about 1/3rd down the page sounds really interesting, and made me think of WebGUI... and maybe the Cloud Launcher tool too | 19:36 |
| @scrottie | did you find your mysql error? /data/wre/var/mysqldata/*.err should have the error log (it's named after the hostname the daemon was launched on) | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | nope, didn't see that. lessie... | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | thought I'm not particularted interested in buying a Dell. I'm rather fond of my "business rugged" Panasonic Toughbook =) | 19:57 |
| sbaur | Found the errors, haven't had a chance to track down yet. and I have a meeting in 3 minutes, so don't have time at the mo. I'll look at it in an hour or so... | 19:57 |
| @scrottie | yup. idle is the normal state of an IRC-ite. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | no worries. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | http://www.dynamism.com/top-notebooks/panasonic-sx-series.shtml | 20:03 |
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| sbaur | this is the error I see in my mysql error file - [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist | 21:48 |
| sbaur | now to figure out why... | 21:48 |
| sbaur | wonder if it doesn't have permissions to create it's own table... | 21:50 |
| haarg | sounds like the mysql system tables weren't created | 21:58 |
| sbaur | nothing was created, and there was no my.cnf in /data/wre/etc, so it didn't know where to look for anything | 21:58 |
| haarg | possibly mysql_install_db needs to be run | 21:59 |
| sbaur | i ran this - $ sudo mysql_install_db --user=webgui --ldata=/data/wre/var/mysqldata | 21:59 |
| sbaur | seems to have helped, but wreservice, is still giving me a FAILED, but now the error log doesn't say why, and the daemon seems to still be running | 22:00 |
| sbaur | gonna try to run the wresonsole again, which as I understand it, is when this is all supposed to be taken care of, right? | 22:00 |
| sbaur | wreconsole is displaying without any style info. and it gives a json error if I click services... | 22:03 |
| sbaur | something is still wonky, some major thing did not happen that needs to happen... | 22:03 |
| sbaur | and i will have more time to look at it later <sigh> | 22:03 |
| sbaur | So, as soon as I click Any of the "tabs" on the wreconsole page I get the following error in console http://pastebin.com/xHKVUGs0 | 23:12 |
| sbaur | maybe that will provide a clue as to what went wrong | 23:12 |
| haarg | normally the wreconsole does an installation process when you first load it | 23:14 |
| sbaur | I didn't go to the setup page first | 23:14 |
| haarg | it seems that got bypassed | 23:15 |
| sbaur | the wreconsole says to go to site:60834, not, site:60834/setup... | 23:15 |
| sbaur | such little things | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | I keep getting pulled into working on large, established sites, and never setting them up, except for my own dev environment which is a source install, so I'm unclear on how exactly the WRE setup works. | 23:16 |
| sbaur | maybe because the instructions I was following had me put a webgui in place before running the wre... | 23:16 |
| sbaur | er, wreconsole | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | I don't know if it install spectre.conf for you, or if that's something you're supposed to do. | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | I thought the WRE liked to fetch and install WebGUI for you. | 23:17 |
| sbaur | oh hey, yep, it did ask me about that. | 23:17 |
| sbaur | In that case, the wreconsole should definitely tell people to go to the setup URL | 23:17 |
| @scrottie | okay, so configuration with respect to conf files was probably also skipped then. | 23:17 |
| sbaur | yup | 23:17 |
| @scrottie | send me a patch to do that and I'll happily apply it. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | just test it first. | 23:18 |
| sbaur | it should just be changing a print statement equivalent | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | what is it now? | 23:19 |
| sbaur | currently the line is print "Please contact me at:\n\t", $daemon->url, "\n"; | 23:20 |
| sbaur | i guess I need to see where url is defined | 23:20 |
| sbaur | ok, fixing this "correctly" is probably beyond my ability | 23:22 |
| haarg | i think it has an automatic redirect if it thinks you need to set it up | 23:22 |
| haarg | and it wasn't able to detect that properly in your case | 23:22 |
| sbaur | I mean, I can hack it so i just add /setup as text after daemon->url but that doesn't seem quite "right" | 23:22 |
| haarg | fixing that detection process is probably the 'correct' way | 23:23 |
| sbaur | haarg, I think that's because I let the wre build process install webgui, is that correct? | 23:23 |
| haarg | i don't know | 23:23 |
| haarg | i haven't looked at the wre code in a long time | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, blow away /data/WebGUI and try again? | 23:23 |
| sbaur | now that I know the magic url for doing the setup, i'm going to blow away /data/WebGUI | 23:24 |
| sbaur | of course, that means testEnvironment can't run ahead of time, cuz it won't be there... | 23:24 |
| sbaur | yep, blowing away WebGUI made the setup behave as it should have | 23:26 |
| @scrottie | hrm. that catch-22 should only come up when building a new wre. | 23:27 |
| sbaur | well yes, but right now I am building the wre because I need it to run on 64bit | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | yup. | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | seems like Task::WebGUI has everything you need except for one module, String::Random. | 23:28 |
| @scrottie | so installing Task::WebGUI and String::Random should get you going, but the wre build process should probably ideally have some mechanism for pulling in the modules it needs. | 23:29 |
| sbaur | um, maybe, I had to install a ton of stuff by hand (18 other modules) | 23:29 |
| sbaur | though some of those may not be used with current webgui's | 23:29 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | well, those should still be installed, for you. | 23:30 |
| haarg | where did you get the list of modules to install? | 23:30 |
| @scrottie | thought that doesn't help the build process. | 23:30 |
| sbaur | haarg: testEnvironment.pl | 23:30 |
| haarg | i don't suppose you still have the list? | 23:30 |
| sbaur | of course | 23:30 |
| haarg | testEnvironment.pl has a few mistakes in it, but not 18 | 23:31 |
| sbaur | I've been taking notes, I wanted to fix up pvanthony's instructions and put it in the wiki | 23:31 |
| @scrottie | String::Random was used by wreconsole.pl but wasn't in testEnvironment. | 23:31 |
| haarg | can you pastebin the list? | 23:31 |
| sbaur | some of those were the ones that Task:WebGUI wanted to install but couldn't | 23:31 |
| sbaur | i will, but it needs cleaning up (all my cd's, && perl Makefile.pl && make && make install's to be removed) | 23:32 |
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| sbaur | list posted at http://pastebin.com/dsar7ke6 | 23:37 |
| sbaur | the module names are not in consistent format because that's how Task::WebGUI reports the errors | 23:37 |
| sbaur | may be the wre should have its own list of modules for testEnvironment? | 23:43 |
| haarg | testEnvironment is a pretty terrible way to list prereqs :/ | 23:43 |
| sbaur | I make no judgements... | 23:44 |
| sbaur | I just like to document | 23:44 |
| sbaur | And, I have a working WebGUI! thanks to both of you scrottie and haarg | 23:45 |
| sbaur | Now, I will right up my doc before I forget everything | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | haarg, a lot of those require system libraries (eg expat) that come with the wre but it seems like the perl the wre builds wasn't build against /data/wre/prereqs/lib | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | 'ldflags' => ' -L/usr/local/lib', | 23:46 |
| haarg | any scripts for downloading cpan modules directly as tarballs should probably be adjusted to use the metacpan mirror | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | 'otherlibdirs' => ' ', | 23:47 |
| haarg | yeah, i know at least some of that is because of external libraries | 23:47 |
| @scrottie | that might be fixable with config options when building perl. | 23:48 |
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| sbaur | OK, wiki page added, it's at https://www.webgui.org/wiki/building-the-wre-on-64bit-rhel-5-or-centos-5 if you want to take a look | 00:43 |
| sbaur | formatting looked better in the editing window than it does here, and the keywords got messed up too | 00:43 |
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| @scrottie | sbaur++ | 01:19 |
| sbaur | hopefully it will save someone else a boatload of time | 01:20 |
| sbaur | that reminded me, I wanted to add a note about how long task::webgui takes to run | 01:21 |
| @scrottie | if you're able and willing to provide a .tar.gz of the /data/wre you built, I can pass it to perlDreamer and see if he's willing to post it to sourceforge.net. | 01:22 |
| sbaur | sure, what do I need to remove besides my conf file in wre/etc and maybe any log files? | 01:22 |
| sbaur | oh, and mysql data??? | 01:23 |
| @scrottie | ugh, probably not that. I'm not sure what steps are taken to package up the wre after it is build. | 01:23 |
| sbaur | I'll drop perl dreamer a note... | 01:23 |
| @scrottie | sounds reasonable. | 01:24 |
| sbaur | hmm, i could also just download one and diff the file names to my existing one, tedious but doable | 01:32 |
| sbaur | fyi: the link to my page in the wiki changed cuz i retitled it, https://www.webgui.org/wiki/building-the-wre-on-64bit-rhel-5-or-centos-6 | 01:40 |
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| @scrottie | whee! | 01:51 |
| @scrottie | thank you for documenting that. | 01:52 |
| sbaur | could not have done it without the excellent start that pvanthony made | 01:52 |
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