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| sbaur | Yay! 7.10.25 is released! | 00:07 |
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| sbaur | Not that I'm anywhere near moving to it | 00:07 |
| @scrottie | heh | 01:01 |
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| +danny_mk | sbaur: you have time this week to checkout the tests? | 20:19 |
| sbaur | hmm, I have about an hour right now... so yes | 20:49 |
| sbaur | might be enough time to get setup danny_mk | 20:50 |
| sbaur | so, just downloaded the most recent wg8 from github (not checked out, but downloaded) got the following error | 21:21 |
| sbaur | syntax error at testEnvironment.pl line 463, near "$answer ~" | 21:21 |
| sbaur | when running testEnvironment.pl | 21:21 |
| sbaur | wondering if this is something particular to my environment (my version of perl?) or if ti's an actual bug that needs filing | 21:23 |
| sbaur | I'm running perl 5.8.8 | 21:24 |
| sbaur | scrottie, danny_mk, any ideas? | 21:26 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, you need 5.10 | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | 5.8.8 is quite old | 21:35 |
| sbaur | well, I'm on a quite old box with a quite old version of the WRE | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | but it should have a use 5.10 line so it fails for want of 5.10. that's a bug. | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | 5.8 was probably old when it was wrapped up in that wre | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | I think 5.8 is more than 10 years old now | 21:36 |
| sbaur | I'm sure it was :) | 21:36 |
| @scrottie | it's probably barfing on $answer ~~ @arr or the use of the new ~~ op in general | 21:37 |
| @scrottie | danny_mk, yeah, hoping to get Selenium running this week | 21:37 |
| sbaur | i thought that might be the prob... | 21:38 |
| sbaur | so, what's the correct place for reporting wg8 bugs? | 21:39 |
| sbaur | nevermind, i found | 21:40 |
| sbaur | it | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | webgui.org/8 | 21:44 |
| @scrottie | please | 21:44 |
| sbaur | it's reported | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | thanks, sbaur | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | danny_mk, just so you know, I'm going to look at fixing admin bugs after I kind of kick my installer out the door and get to that stopping point there | 21:45 |
| sbaur | wow, the girl still running wg 7.5, got to report a bug in 8... before release even :D | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | and I need to get back to that | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | haha | 21:45 |
| sbaur | I'll even put together a list of all the modules the WRE doesn't have... | 21:49 |
| sbaur | i've already got 20, and i'm only a few lines in... | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer is working on a new WRE right now | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | we're trying to shake some bugs out of HandlerSocket related code | 21:55 |
| sbaur | ahhh | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | so it should be updated with respect to the modules that wG8 needs. I've personally added several things to testEnvironment but there's always a chance something got missed. | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | if there's something on your list not in testEnvironment, well, that's a bug. | 21:57 |
| * sbaur has a list of 48 so far, including stuff for building/testing | 21:57 | |
| @scrottie | wow. | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | okay, which version of perl are you using right now to run testEnvironment? | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | it sounds like a lot of the missing modules are stuff that aren't bundled with that version of perl but got added later | 22:00 |
| sbaur | whatever was in the WRE I downloaded (it was definitely a 5.10) | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | okay | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | working with source installs a lot makes a lot of this stuff not be on my radar, so to speak | 22:01 |
| sbaur | heh, never knew there was a module called common::sense | 22:03 |
| * sbaur now at 78 | 22:05 | |
| @scrottie | no kidding. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | I might have to cut some of these deps. | 22:05 |
| sbaur | a lot of them are deps of deps | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | common::sense is one of several attempts to enforce (and declare) "modern" programming style | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | see also perl5, Modern::Perl | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | er, perl5i | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | yeah. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | deps with too many and too troublesome of deps may have to be cut. | 22:07 |
| sbaur | no trouble installing any of em yet | 22:07 |
| * sbaur knocks on wood | 22:07 | |
| @scrottie | testEnvironment.pl doesn't try to list deps fo deps though | 22:07 |
| @scrottie | and deps of deps change over time so even if it did, it would need updated every time one module changed deps | 22:07 |
| sbaur | true, but they all need to be in the WRE | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | the idea is that testEnvironment requires X be installed, and if X happens to want other modules, they get automatically, recursively installed also | 22:08 |
| @scrottie | ah, right | 22:08 |
| sbaur | and, I'm saying yes to everything... | 22:08 |
| sbaur | so far LWP is still the one with the most dependencies | 22:09 |
| sbaur | Ok, Moose may have just surpassed LWP | 22:13 |
| * sbaur is now at 116 packages added to WRE | 22:14 | |
| * sbaur install seems stalled trying to get some checksums... | 22:15 | |
| * sbaur no longer stalled | 22:18 | |
| sbaur | testEnvironment would run much faster if all the installs didn't run all their billions of tests | 22:20 |
| @scrottie | that's true. | 22:20 |
| sbaur | it's been 30 min so far, and testE is still not done | 22:24 |
| sbaur | and i have a fast and wide network connection | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | this is a very good argument for having everything pre-installed in a WRE. | 22:27 |
| sbaur | maybe with a run tests/ will never run tests option | 22:28 |
| * sbaur at 169 now | 22:29 | |
| sbaur | also found this error This version of DateTime::Locale conflicts with the version of | 22:31 |
| sbaur | DateTime::Format::Strptime (1.0800) you have installed. | 22:31 |
| sbaur | You will need to upgrade DateTime::Format::Strptime after installing this version of | 22:31 |
| sbaur | DateTime::Locale. | 22:31 |
| @scrottie | argh. deps. okay, well, the WRE just has to do that then. | 22:37 |
| sbaur | and, after over 30 minutes " Install of Number::Format failed!" | 22:37 |
| sbaur | that's after 182 things installed | 22:38 |
| sbaur | and I need to get going, so have no time to look into it now | 22:38 |
| sbaur | see you tomorrow | 22:38 |
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| +danny_mk | sorry guys was at a meeting but I have to leave now. See you tomorrow... | 23:20 |
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| +danny_mk | sbaur: any progress on installation? | 18:33 |
| sbaur | have not had any time to work on it since I got "Install of Number::Format failed!" | 18:34 |
| sbaur | I may have some time later today, but I don't yet know if there are any fires that need fighting... | 18:34 |
| +danny_mk | well, it seems that WebGUI may need more help in that area | 18:34 |
| +danny_mk | OK, let me know, maybe I can help | 18:35 |
| @scrottie | cpanm might be able to install Number::Format where cpan can't | 19:17 |
| haarg | i'd be interested in why it failed to install, so a paste of the failed install output would be good | 19:19 |
| sbaur | Output is at http://pastebin.com/KnJy4s2f | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, nice! straight up failing tests. | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | you can force installation anyway. I wonder what the odds are of Number::Format having to work on rubles on your system. | 19:59 |
| sbaur | less than 0? | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | heh | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | https://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=Number-Format claims to be the bug tracker for the module | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | they might be interested to see that (and know your OS and perl version) | 20:00 |
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| sbaur | I ran into problems with the WRE last time I tried to install on RHEL 6. Has anyone had success on that platform? And if so, could I have your notes? | 21:06 |
| sbaur | And, I see there's a ceontos-5 version of the 0.9.6 WRE. But no source and no other platform binaries. Is that where perlDreamer is doing his WRE for WG8 work? | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | hrm, got a machine here that's CentOS release 5.8 (Final) | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | you'd have to ask him. I don't know. post on the discussion forum? | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | the source is in github. | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | the binaries should be a stright up build of those sources. | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | any fix or change that gets made to sources would just go straight back into github... github.com/plainblack/wre-build I think it is | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild | 21:09 |
| sbaur | ok, thanks scrottie. I don't have the time to invest right now, so I think I'll just go back to 5.8 and use the binary for 0.9.3, or maybe give the 0.9.6 source a shot at building on my new box | 21:09 |
| sbaur | oh, the 096 stuff looks like it's designed to use system componenets... | 21:11 |
| sbaur | for mysql, etc | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | hmm? what? | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | I talked to perlDreamer about doing that but didn't realize he was going to try to do it in the wre | 21:11 |
| sbaur | i could be wrong in what I'm inferring from https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/master/BUILD.redhat | 21:12 |
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| sbaur | and does WG still have issues running on 64bit OS? | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | wG doesn't but the wre does. | 21:17 |
| sbaur | ok, that answers that question :-) | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | a 32 bit wre on a 64 bit system is fine until you go to add XS perl modules. | 21:17 |
| @scrottie | and without the modules pre-built on a 32 bit system and already installed, you'll discover that's very difficult to convince all of the various perl module building toolchains to build for 32 bit on a 64 bit system | 21:18 |
| @scrottie | if there isn't a 64 bit wre, I'd do a source install in that case. | 21:18 |
| sbaur | all the predone ones seem to be 32bit | 21:19 |
| sbaur | even the 0.9.6 that's only on sourceforge for centos | 21:20 |
| sbaur | I'll try the 64bit os and the 32bit wg This is only my second/third time reinstalling this box from scratch. If I have to do it again, it's just a bit more time... :) | 21:21 |
| sbaur | s/wg/wre/ | 21:21 |
| sbaur | besides, it'll force me to use and fix my documentation | 21:23 |
| @scrottie | wait, you were doing testEnvironment on a 64 bit system with a 32 bit WRE? | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | and you got that far? | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | we need a FAQ. | 21:24 |
| sbaur | no,no,no. This is a completely different box | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | so people can hopefully avoid some of these pitfalls without falling into them first. | 21:24 |
| @scrottie | ah | 21:24 |
| sbaur | This is actual new, gotta get it installed hardware. What I was doing yesterday with WG 8 was on a VM | 21:25 |
| * sbaur has many servers that need work | 21:28 | |
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| @scrottie | Bart! | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | yes, I've been sitting here watching for you. | 21:35 |
| sbaur | scrottie, you should do something about those stalker tendencies... | 21:38 |
| @scrottie | good idea! if I tie him up and keep him in my dungeon, I won't have to stalk him! | 21:38 |
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| +danny_mk | Good day everyone, did I miss anything last night? (sbaur) | 16:55 |
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| @scrottie_lion | MorniN'! | 19:30 |
| sbaur | morning | 19:32 |
| +danny_mk | morning | 19:40 |
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| +danny_mk | have a good weekend everyone | 23:40 |
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| +danny_mk | scrottie_lion: do you know if sbaur made any progress on installation? | 16:36 |
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| @scrottie | I don't see anything in my backscroll | 17:27 |
| @scrottie | about it | 17:27 |
| @scrottie | I started working on Selenium here but got as far as my Java being out of date before I wandered off | 17:28 |
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| +danny_mk | OK, let me know if you need help | 17:48 |
| @scrottie | absolutely. thankfully, I have some instructions to start with. | 17:48 |
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| +danny_mk | sbaur: any progress on installation/testing? | 18:32 |
| sbaur | nope, I have been distracted by other issues (old failing hardware) | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | OK, let us know when you have time. | 18:33 |
| sbaur | will do | 18:33 |
| +danny_mk | thanks | 18:34 |
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| @scrottie | you need some old non-failing hardware and it just so happens that I have exactly what you need -- a fine selection of Sun Sparc 5s, 10s, and 20s. the only question is which model is right for you. | 18:48 |
| sbaur | um, thank you, but no :) | 19:19 |
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| @scrottie | mornin', delikat | 17:56 |
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| scrottie | Failed to start new browser session: java.lang.RuntimeException: Firefox 3 could not be found in the path! | 02:55 |
| scrottie | ... but firefox is in $PATH | 02:55 |
| scrottie | maybe it needs to be in the PATH that .bashrc sets | 02:55 |
| scrottie | nope | 02:56 |
| scrottie | aha. | 02:58 |
| scrottie | had to estart selenium | 02:58 |
| scrottie | had to battle with XML libraries and perl modules, but this thing seems to be going | 02:59 |
| scrottie | argh. a few passes and a few fails, then it comes out. | 02:59 |
| scrottie | wonder if I can turn that up to cope with my slow computer. | 03:00 |
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| KlausH | A few hours ago I translated the German version to stay at 100%, I doubt the 'commit' wordked like it should. | 03:10 |
| scrottie | perlDreamer handles the translation stuff. I know nothing about it. and he isn't here. would you please post a message to the forums about that? | 03:11 |
| KlausH | error or feature... | 03:11 |
| KlausH | ok. | 03:12 |
| scrottie | probably error, not feature. | 03:12 |
| KlausH | will contact him directly or via the forum. | 03:13 |
| scrottie | thanks. sorry I can't help with that. | 03:13 |
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| ckotil | we found an interesting bug in the wiki search. http://www.webgui.org/wiki?func=search&query=%22asset%22 pagination is busted | 16:42 |
| ckotil | there's a ticket about it in the support forum with a patch | 16:43 |
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| scrottie | danny_mk! | 21:50 |
| scrottie | ckotil++ | 21:50 |
| scrottie | ckotil: please prod me here if perlDreamer doesn't take apply the patch and follow up on it, and I'll pick up the slack. | 21:51 |
| scrottie | or if I get myself dug out, I might go through the forums and figure out what's outstanding. | 21:51 |
| scrottie | danny_mk, I got this output (STDOUT and STDERR): https://gist.github.com/3299909 | 21:56 |
| scrottie | "Looks like you planned 355 tests but ran 124." | 21:57 |
| scrottie | ah, looks like newContent/calendar.html *is* the last test. maybe Test::More 'no_plan' makes sense. | 22:09 |
| scrottie | awesome. so, I think that actually worked. you know, except for the wG8 part ;) | 22:09 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r212ebfd / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Quiet log noise from LDAP group/WebGUI user membership mismatches. - http://git.io/GnDzeA | 22:17 |
| +danny_mk | yup? | 22:24 |
| +danny_mk | scrottie: did you clone my repo? | 22:25 |
| +danny_mk | https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/selenium | 22:26 |
| scrottie | I did at one point but I don't know if I'm caught up. | 22:27 |
| scrottie | nothing in particular. just wanted to give you a chance to comment on the output and tell me if it was basically what you were getting, or if I was doing it completely wrong. | 22:27 |
| +danny_mk | you failed a bunch of tests, all the currently written tests were working great | 22:28 |
| +danny_mk | passed | 22:28 |
| +danny_mk | 'no_plan' is a good idea | 22:32 |
| scrottie | oh. I thought you said that your tests exposed several wG8 UI bugs | 22:33 |
| +danny_mk | I have not written those tests yet, | 22:33 |
| +danny_mk | there are some bugs in the UI but I have not gotten to that point | 22:33 |
| scrottie | ah. | 22:34 |
| scrottie | okay. I'll make sure the latest push of yours is committed and then hang tight. | 22:34 |
| +danny_mk | scrottie: make sure you are up to commit 7e27bd9b54 | 22:41 |
| ckotil | scrottie: thanks | 22:43 |
| scrottie | danny_mk, got it. now I need to do some local patch wrangling before I push it back up. | 22:46 |
| +danny_mk | OK | 23:27 |
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| djzort | hi there, I am having a dynaloader related segfault with webgui on debian (debian packages or webgui tar ball). I have placed a bug against the debian package. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681564 | 08:18 |
| djzort | I suspect that the problem isn't webgui per-se, but in something dynloader is loading. | 08:18 |
| djzort | im curious if anyone else has seen it? | 08:19 |
| scrottie | are you using the WRE? is it a 64 bit system? | 08:55 |
| scrottie | let me look at your bug | 08:56 |
| scrottie | report | 08:56 |
| scrottie | ah, the Debian WebGUI package. right. | 08:56 |
| scrottie | off the top of my head, nope, haven't heard of this problem. | 08:56 |
| scrottie | I'm not sure that your stack trace is a stack trace... | 08:57 |
| djzort | something deep inside isn't happy :| | 09:00 |
| scrottie | yeah. | 09:00 |
| scrottie | there's no easy way to get a stack trace out of apache/mod_perl. | 09:00 |
| djzort | its almost certainly not webgui's fault per-se, as debians packages and the tarball exhibit the same segfault. its probably a module with XS that going amuck | 09:02 |
| scrottie | right. I'm just trying to think how to get a proper stack trace attached to that ticket so they can fix it. | 09:02 |
| djzort | your help would be much appreciated | 09:03 |
| scrottie | if mod_perl forks and then crashes, then there isn't time to attach a debugger to the child process | 09:05 |
| scrottie | if it crashes before it forks, that's easy... run just it inside of mod_perl | 09:06 |
| scrottie | what happens when you do 'gdb apachectl start' ? | 09:06 |
| scrottie | (is apachectl start how you start apache/mod_perl/WebGUI?) | 09:07 |
| scrottie | no, that's not exactly right | 09:09 |
| djzort | conventionally I start up with /etc/init.d/apache2 start or service apache2 start depending on tastes at a given moment. both being equivalent. | 09:10 |
| scrottie | 'gdb httpd' | 09:10 |
| djzort | for debugging purposes, I have created a shell script which provides all the environmental variables that debian init provides | 09:10 |
| djzort | so yes, I can run with gdb httpd (apache2, but yeah) | 09:10 |
| djzort | allow me a moment to fire up the vm | 09:11 |
| scrottie | sure | 09:11 |
| djzort | ok im running it | 09:23 |
| djzort | and its crashed | 09:24 |
| scrottie | if you did 'gdb http', it should drop you at a gdb> prompt | 09:24 |
| djzort | yeah I did | 09:24 |
| scrottie | er, (gdb) prompt | 09:24 |
| djzort | then typed run | 09:24 |
| scrottie | then you told it to 'run'? | 09:24 |
| scrottie | okay, then do 'bt' | 09:24 |
| djzort | yes | 09:24 |
| scrottie | that should get you a backtrace | 09:24 |
| scrottie | er, stack trace | 09:24 |
| djzort | erk, 'No stack.' | 09:25 |
| scrottie | well, what ran then? and what crashed? | 09:25 |
| djzort | ill pastebin the output | 09:25 |
| scrottie | a'right | 09:25 |
| scrottie | I guess it probably forked, daemonized the children, and the parent process exited | 09:26 |
| scrottie | do this... if you don't mind... | 09:26 |
| djzort | http://pastebin.com/GJ05NjE9 | 09:26 |
| scrottie | quit out of gdb, then...: | 09:26 |
| scrottie | gdb httpd | 09:26 |
| scrottie | set args -X | 09:26 |
| scrottie | run | 09:26 |
| djzort | I am now doing that | 09:27 |
| djzort | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. | 09:27 |
| djzort | that's better | 09:27 |
| scrottie | and 'bt' says? | 09:28 |
| djzort | check out http://pastebin.com/K0BPq0Fq | 09:28 |
| scrottie | interesting. | 09:29 |
| scrottie | yyparse is the grammar/lexer/parser | 09:30 |
| scrottie | * This symbol, if defined, indicates that the Misc Attribution | 09:32 |
| scrottie | * Declaration code should be conditionally compiled. | 09:32 |
| scrottie | */ | 09:32 |
| scrottie | PERL_MAD conditionally enables Perl_utilize | 09:32 |
| scrottie | ah, I guess that's 'use' | 09:33 |
| scrottie | makes sense. that's how the dynaloader would get invoked while parsing. | 09:34 |
| scrottie | call Perl_dump_all((void*)Perl_get_context()) | 09:41 |
| scrottie | run in that gdb, if you care to | 09:41 |
| scrottie | and the stack trace from http://pastebin.com/K0BPq0Fq would go well in your bug ticket. I'm curious what Perl did that caused it to crashed. | 09:41 |
| scrottie | most of the output of that is going to be useless once pasted, but the bytecode dump might tell us where it is in the program | 09:43 |
| scrottie | call Perl_op_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(),PL_curcop) | 09:44 |
| scrottie | that one too | 09:44 |
| scrottie | that should tell us exactly where it is in the program | 09:44 |
| scrottie | after that, I'll leave you alone. I promise =) | 09:45 |
| djzort | sorry work got in the way :) | 09:45 |
| djzort | No symbol "PL_curcop" in current context. ? | 09:45 |
| djzort | I added the ? in that last line | 09:46 |
| scrottie | tell gdb to 'return' and say Y if it asks, please. | 09:47 |
| scrottie | then try again with call Perl_op_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(),PL_curcop) | 09:47 |
| djzort | ok | 09:47 |
| djzort | again, No symbol "PL_curcop" in current context. | 09:48 |
| djzort | :( | 09:48 |
| scrottie | I think you need to do it a total of six times | 09:48 |
| djzort | ok | 09:48 |
| scrottie | to get back to Perl_runops_standard | 09:48 |
| scrottie | from looking at the stack trace | 09:48 |
| scrottie | I was just installing Debian in a virtual machine so I could test/debug/work on my little WebGUI8 installer. | 09:49 |
| djzort | after 12 or so im still getting No symbol "PL_curcop" in current context. | 09:49 |
| djzort | I am happy to send you the vm if you like | 09:49 |
| djzort | obviously you will need to consider a few gigs to be fairly trivial to transfer | 09:50 |
| scrottie | well, if we can get the line number it crashed at out of it and put that in the bug report along with the stack trace, that would be a pretty solid bug report. | 09:51 |
| scrottie | if you hit 12, you went too far | 09:52 |
| scrottie | it's not going to happen | 09:52 |
| scrottie | hrm | 09:52 |
| scrottie | should have been right around 6 | 09:52 |
| djzort | ill start again | 09:53 |
| scrottie | don't return out of 'Perl_eval_sv' | 09:53 |
| scrottie | if you get there, stop | 09:53 |
| djzort | perhaps I have done something wrong, please check out http://pastebin.com/ibt5A4bh | 09:55 |
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| scrottie | heya BartJol | 09:56 |
| scrottie | djzort, more likely I did. | 09:56 |
| +BartJol | heya Scott | 09:57 |
| scrottie | yeah djzort, not happening. my mistake. | 09:57 |
| +BartJol | still up, he | 09:58 |
| scrottie | if you do it again and stop in Perl_pp_require, I should be able to figure out how to fetch the module name out of there that it's trying to load | 09:58 |
| scrottie | BartJol, no, this is all a terrible dream ;) | 09:58 |
| djzort | scrottie: ok sitting at Perl_pp_require | 10:01 |
| scrottie | let's see... | 10:03 |
| scrottie | call Perl_sv_dump(((void*)Perl_get_context(), sv) | 10:03 |
| scrottie | what's that come back with, if anything? | 10:03 |
| scrottie | oops, one too many )'s | 10:04 |
| scrottie | call Perl_sv_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(), sv) | 10:05 |
| djzort | No symbol "sv" in current context. | 10:06 |
| djzort | :( | 10:06 |
| scrottie | argh | 10:06 |
| scrottie | call Perl_op_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(),PL_curcop) ? | 10:10 |
| scrottie | sv is too in that function. it's one of its arguments. | 10:10 |
| scrottie | if not, then I give up. | 10:11 |
| scrottie | er, drop the PL_ in the curcop, maybe | 10:11 |
| scrottie | yeah, that's a macro. | 10:12 |
| scrottie | call Perl_op_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(),vTHX->Icurcop) ? | 10:12 |
| scrottie | no, vTHX is probably a macro also | 10:13 |
| scrottie | embedvar.h:40:# define vTHX PERL_GET_INTERP | 10:13 |
| scrottie | perl.h:3173:# define PERL_GET_INTERP (PL_curinterp) | 10:14 |
| scrottie | if you like macros, you'll love the perl source code! | 10:14 |
| scrottie | embedvar.h:#define PL_curinterp (my_vars->Gcurinterp) | 10:15 |
| djzort | (gdb) call Perl_op_dump((void*)Perl_get_context(),vTHX->Icurcop) | 10:18 |
| djzort | No symbol "vTHX" in current context. | 10:18 |
| djzort | I don't code c that often | 10:18 |
| scrottie | I think debug symbols were probably stripped from your perl | 10:18 |
| scrottie | gdb just can't find variables by name | 10:18 |
| scrottie | but hopefully that stack trace will give them a clue. | 10:19 |
| djzort | given how widely ported perl is, it wouldn't surprise me if macros are used heavily | 10:19 |
| scrottie | thanks your indulging me. | 10:19 |
| scrottie | heh, without pulling some values out of variables, the strace data is probably more useful than the actual stack trace though | 10:20 |
| djzort | I need to head off, thanks for your help. I will return tomorrow | 10:21 |
| scrottie | sure thing. take care! | 10:21 |
| djzort | cheers | 10:21 |
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| shox_ | hi guys, using ldap authentication with webgui, whenever the DN of a user change, is not possible to log in again, so i guess the DN or some form of it is stored on the DB.. where can I find it? | 23:36 |
| scrottie | hiya | 23:36 |
| scrottie | oh boy. I'd have to read code and guess. one minute, please. | 23:36 |
| shox_ | :o ok , doing the same | 23:37 |
| shox_ | got it | 23:42 |
| shox_ | connectDN in authentication table | 23:42 |
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| CIA-82 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rf417ddf / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Remove dead return code. - http://git.io/zQp8NA | 02:18 |
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| djzort | scrottie: I had a brain wave last night, though it didn't lead anywhere. see new comments on http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=681564 if you have some time to help today I would be very grateful | 02:34 |
| scrottie | hi djzort | 02:40 |
| scrottie | I don't know how serious you are about getting WebGUI running, but if that coredump can't be resolved, running 8 is an option. it's beta-ware, but it doesn't mod Apache/mod_perl. it's plack based. | 02:40 |
| scrottie | APR/Request/Cookie.pm is the last module loaded before the coredump? | 02:41 |
| scrottie | er, doesn't use | 02:42 |
| djzort | that thought had crossed my mind. but I recognize how much having webgui in debian lowers the bar to using it - so as a perl and debian fan I am happy to persevere in resolving it. | 02:43 |
| djzort | catalyst is a beast, but is awesome that you can apt-get it | 02:43 |
| djzort | who cares that it has 1million dependencies | 02:43 |
| scrottie | heh | 02:43 |
| djzort | yeah webgui doesn't use catalyst. just drawing a parallel | 02:44 |
| scrottie | the maintainer of that package hangs out in here sometimes. | 02:44 |
| djzort | (im exagerating the number of deps, but trying building it against redhat and it will feel like it) | 02:45 |
| djzort | :) | 02:45 |
| scrottie | and I'm sure Debian package maintainers support each other pretty well. | 02:45 |
| scrottie | yeah, there are some modules that wG uses that basically do not build. | 02:45 |
| scrottie | ImageMagick is one of them. | 02:45 |
| scrottie | the C library and Perl bindings are never in sync. | 02:45 |
| scrottie | it's... badly written. I need to replace that dep. | 02:45 |
| djzort | I digress though, APR/Request/Cookie.pm is the last module to load. but if I load it first or just in a stand alone piece f code there is no problem with APR/Request/Cookie.pm | 02:46 |
| djzort | Imager may be better than ImageMagick. but that's a discussion for another time ;) | 02:46 |
| scrottie | that only gives a clue as to what might be going wrong. | 02:46 |
| scrottie | if something corrupted state earlier on, then APR/Request/Cookie.pm would only reveal prior damage | 02:47 |
| djzort | if I have preload.perl load in Apache2::Cookie, then it just segfaults after the DBI modules. so I suspect its not APR::Request::Cookie | 02:47 |
| scrottie | that said, debugging mod_perl problems can be a bugbear. | 02:47 |
| djzort | by way of background, I submitted the bug to debian. waited. then figured I would see if I could get some help | 02:47 |
| djzort | so I decided to ask here | 02:47 |
| scrottie | next time, have an easy problem ;) | 02:48 |
| djzort | noted :) | 02:48 |
| djzort | 8 is looking very promising though. using plack certainly opens doors. | 02:49 |
| scrottie | it cleans out a lot of cruft (and adds a lot more) | 02:49 |
| scrottie | but it's fresh cruft! | 02:49 |
| scrottie | that's what's important. | 02:49 |
| djzort | that's what I have found when inserting plack | 02:49 |
| djzort | I was more thinking that plack enables 'paas' type stuff | 02:50 |
| scrottie | Plack is pretty small. I like it, personally. | 02:50 |
| scrottie | some of the things that people did with Moose though... I'd like to simplify that all a bit. | 02:50 |
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| djzort | I agree with that | 02:51 |
| scrottie | I graphed the inheritance/mixin usage of one part of the code, for my own sake, so I could figure out what was going on. then I showed it to the person who wrote it. he made a rude remark =P | 02:51 |
| djzort | miyagawa ? | 02:51 |
| scrottie | well, getting wG8 to go on your system might be as easy as installing the Task::WebGUI meta-module (with cpan or cpanm) | 02:52 |
| scrottie | no, preaction. WebGUI specific code. | 02:52 |
| djzort | ahh ok | 02:52 |
| scrottie | ... and then loading the database, and installing wgd (the FatPacked command line wG admin tool), loading the database, and running upgrades. | 02:52 |
| scrottie | install WebGUI from packages should get you everything else you need. | 02:53 |
| djzort | well, one has to balance between working and well written. | 02:53 |
| scrottie | except for those last few modules added more recently. | 02:53 |
| djzort | there is nothing good about well written code that doesn't do anything :) | 02:53 |
| djzort | hopefully when it works, people will use it, then there will be opportunity to make it well written :) | 02:53 |
| scrottie | wait, badly written that works well versus well written code that works badly? I'm not sure I see things in those terms. | 02:53 |
| scrottie | *that* I agree with. | 02:53 |
| scrottie | still, I can't just say that wG8 cleans out cruft and not mention that it also adds some. | 02:54 |
| djzort | im just saying I understand the balance between making something usefull enough to gain traction, and getting lost in perfection under the hood | 02:54 |
| scrottie | sure. | 02:55 |
| scrottie | I think the next step here is to install the -src packages for perl, mod_perl, and Apache2, and build and install those with debugging turned on. | 03:00 |
| scrottie | that is, if you intent on getting to the bottom of that bug. | 03:00 |
| scrottie | (my httpd, mod_perl, perl, etc are all hand built) | 03:01 |
| djzort | im pondering trying 8 | 03:02 |
| scrottie | then you should be able to take any method name you see in the stack trace, find it in the perl source, or the apache2 source, or so on, examine it, figure out what variables are in scope there, dump them, and make sure that everything is sane. | 03:02 |
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| djzort | scrottie: thanks for your help, I think I will go with wg8. perhaps rebuilding of debian will at some point magically fix it. but at least the package maintainer knows about it and has a fair amount of detail | 08:26 |
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| CIA-76 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r358bc15 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.26 development (forgot to do this earlier) - http://git.io/z1XG2g | 18:30 |
| CIA-76 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r4c31d18 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Allow template diagnostics to work when a session asset is not set. Add a way to get the raw, encoded URL from the request object. - http://git.io/zr_cJw | 18:40 |
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| scrottie | mornin', BartJol. | 11:00 |
| +BartJol | howdy | 11:07 |
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| elnino | hi everyone! it's been a while. | 18:44 |
| +danny_mk | yup, it has been a while, people are usually in and out here | 19:09 |
| elnino | several years ago people would stay, quite busy,but I suspect many of the developers are stil working on v8? | 19:10 |
| +danny_mk | have you played around with 8 at all? | 19:11 |
| elnino | no. I don't have a machine to play with. | 19:14 |
| +danny_mk | what about your personal system and a VM like VMware? | 19:15 |
| elnino | laughable. =) I had win2000 - and HAD vmware. I *just* upgraded to XP I haven't bother reinstalling the vmware - it was a pain back then, because my system was so obsolete. | 19:18 |
| elnino | lol | 19:18 |
| elnino | I just work on other people's servers. | 19:18 |
| elnino | I'm working with 7.9.33 | 19:19 |
| +danny_mk | Hey, give me your address and I will send you a linux system I have under my desk (you pay shipping). I am not using it at all. | 19:19 |
| +danny_mk | do you write any software for WebGUI? | 19:19 |
| elnino | thank you, but I'm just a parttime freelancer, if I take anything more on my family will suffer consequences. I did before kids. | 19:20 |
| elnino | the oldtimers remember me, I don't know if I've ever really "met" you. | 19:20 |
| elnino | nice meeting you. =) | 19:21 |
| +danny_mk | nice meeting you too. I know what you mean, with two teenagers, the animals that they wanted and now I have to take care of and a full family life outside of this job it can be pretty hectic. My favorite vacation right now would be a sleep weekend, a weekend were I could sleep undisturbed as much as I wanted. | 19:22 |
| elnino | your last post didn't comeup very clear... | 19:23 |
| +danny_mk | summary = I understand :-) | 19:23 |
| elnino | lol. | 19:23 |
| elnino | you dont' know by anychance what the difference is between the EMSTicket and the EMSSubmission tables, are do you? i"m trying to get a list of the choices of events on an ems system. | 19:23 |
| +danny_mk | unfortunately not, not really involved that deep at this point. | 19:24 |
| elnino | do you work for pb? | 19:24 |
| elnino | I didn't know daviddelikat did. - that must be new. | 19:25 |
| @daviddelikat | elnino: just finishing up my first year | 19:26 |
| @daviddelikat | unfortunately I have not been able to be on IRC much | 19:26 |
| +danny_mk | nope, I just help when I can, I am a developer by profession and love Perl so WebGUI is a natural fit were I work. | 19:26 |
| elnino | hey! congrats! I guess, it has been a while since I've logged in here. | 19:26 |
| elnino | danny_mk - that was me 4-5 years ago. | 19:27 |
| @daviddelikat | I get a jumpy duck when somebody mentionsmy name so I try to check when that happens | 19:27 |
| elnino | webgui is FUN | 19:27 |
| elnino | lol | 19:27 |
| @daviddelikat | otherwise I have no idea whats going on | 19:27 |
| @daviddelikat | there have been a few times I wanted to conenct with you about stuff you were dealing with | 19:27 |
| elnino | ok. i'll mention your name more so you get more jumpy ducks. | 19:28 |
| @daviddelikat | but I never seem to be on when you are | 19:28 |
| @daviddelikat | thanks | 19:28 |
| @daviddelikat | the duck gets bored | 19:28 |
| +danny_mk | WebGUI can be a lot of things, It works great for user management, I use it as my front end to many other language frameworks including Java(JSF), catalyst, dancer and RT. | 19:28 |
| elnino | yes, sorry. we bought a forecosed home so I've been focusing on that | 19:28 |
| elnino | lot's of outside work this year, this fall/winter it's the basement. | 19:29 |
| elnino | danny_mk, that sounds interesting, are you a programmer only, or do you host too? | 19:30 |
| +danny_mk | nope, strictly programming | 19:33 |
| elnino | hosting is hard to find. | 19:34 |
| +danny_mk | version 8 should help with that | 19:34 |
| +danny_mk | WebGUI could definitely benefit from a local REST authentication/authorization system | 19:35 |
| +danny_mk | I have to work on that later | 19:35 |
| elnino | patspam was working on somethign that would allow wg to run on a shared environment. - I wonder how that is going??? | 19:39 |
| elnino | daviddelikat - you dont' know by anychance what the difference is between the EMSTicket and the EMSSubmission tables, are do you? i"m trying to get a list of the choices of events on an ems system. or find a report that lists the events and signees from an EMS system. | 19:40 |
| @daviddelikat | that bit of info is definately buried somwhere in the deep recesses of my mind | 19:40 |
| @daviddelikat | I worked extensively on that sistem a few years ago | 19:40 |
| @daviddelikat | < ' accessing ' > ... | 19:41 |
| @daviddelikat | let me peak at some code | 19:42 |
| @daviddelikat | an EMSSubmission is when someone wants to participate as a presenter at your conference | 19:44 |
| @daviddelikat | you have to make an EMSSubmissionForm in order to accept submissions | 19:45 |
| @daviddelikat | an EMSTicket is something someone buys in order to attend the event | 19:47 |
| elnino | yep, which I figured the EMSSubmisssion would then be "accepted" and turned into a EMSTicket. so I figued they would duplicate, because EMSSubmission as the details I'm looking to display in my list of tickets. | 19:47 |
| @daviddelikat | no a submission is a presenter | 19:47 |
| elnino | ah. i iddn't see emssubmission.ticketId | 19:47 |
| @daviddelikat | a ticket is an attender | 19:48 |
| elnino | that's what must be tying them. | 19:48 |
| @daviddelikat | yes | 19:48 |
| elnino | the attender would be registrant.... | 19:48 |
| @daviddelikat | yes | 19:48 |
| elnino | ok. I think I got it. thanks! | 19:48 |
| @daviddelikat | your welcome | 19:48 |
| @daviddelikat | glad to catch up with you again | 19:48 |
| elnino | likewise! | 19:49 |
| @daviddelikat | you should look into the EMSSubmissionForm for signing up volunteers | 19:51 |
| elnino | well, I'm not sure how that would work, because there are slots of positions, and the slots get filled as people "purchase tickets" | 19:53 |
| elnino | positions are predetermined. | 19:53 |
| @daviddelikat | ah | 19:54 |
| elnino | yep, I just looked. Yep, the EMS system is SO close to what I want. | 19:55 |
| elnino | the terms and wordign is terrible, and the badge thing is confusing and clunky. so I'm trying to figure out how to make it more user-friendly. | 19:56 |
| elnino | but functionally it'sperfect. | 19:56 |
| @daviddelikat | so you could use the submission forms to create submissions that people buy tickets for | 19:56 |
| @daviddelikat | should be able to change the wording in the i18n files | 19:56 |
| elnino | well, I imported tickets. too many of them. | 19:56 |
| @daviddelikat | seems ike the badge part should be hidable | 19:57 |
| @daviddelikat | or that could have been a future feature | 19:57 |
| elnino | I think it is, I have custom templates everywhere, I'm just not "up" on my YUI stuff. it's all guess work and time consuming. | 19:58 |
| elnino | ack. EMSSubmission is EMPTY now where is the ticket's description? I must of misunderstood something <rereading> | 20:02 |
| sbaur | that brings up a question for me. Are there any tutorials about extending YUI in a webgui environment? I've run into something with DataForms, and figuring out how to do what I want with YUI was beyond my understanding. I submitted a support request and got an answer, but definitely not in the easy, or easy to find category of problems | 20:03 |
| elnino | starters - you can find the docs for YUI 2.2.2 in your webgui distribution under extras/yui/docs/. which is appartly not necessarily the latest version of YUI | 20:07 |
| sbaur | kewl | 20:08 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/writing-with-yui | 20:08 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/yui-overview | 20:08 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/yui-navigations | 20:09 |
| elnino | I did a search for YUI on webgui's site, there is more there than I recall. I picked the "good ones" but there probably is more there. I needd to watch these myself. | 20:09 |
| sbaur | thanks elnino. hopefully that will help me get a handle on stuff | 20:09 |
| elnino | me too! | 20:09 |
| elnino | http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/yui | 20:10 |
| sbaur | a lot of the wgtv is less than helpful I've found. The quality makes it difficult to learn anything | 20:10 |
| elnino | agreed. soem of them have handouts that help a bit. | 20:14 |
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| elnino | daviddelikat, apparantly its been a long time for me... the additional info for EMSTicket is found in the assetData tables | 20:28 |
| @daviddelikat | I tend to forget which table has what data on it too | 20:36 |
| @daviddelikat | I keep a list of all the tables and table descriptions for easy searching | 20:36 |
| @daviddelikat | of course one problem I have is that the system I work on everyday is highly customized | 20:36 |
| scrottie | I keep offering people free accounts on my OpenSSI cluster =P | 20:56 |
| scrottie | re: playing with wG8 on a Linux machine | 20:57 |
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| elnino | OK! How do I make fields required on the EMS address book page? | 07:04 |
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| CIA-66 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r83227bd / (3 files in 3 dirs): Quote the search query in the paginator. Fixes bug #12378. - http://git.io/pMlngQ | 22:51 |
| CIA-66 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rbac73de / docs/credits.txt : Alphabetize the list of authors in the credits again. - http://git.io/jlLObw | 22:53 |
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| vanjwilson | anyone know a good way to get the last modified timestamp of a file from within a webgui template? (On an admin page for a site, I need to show the last time a custom logfile was written to.) | 17:20 |
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| ckotil | you can do that with a macro without too much work | 17:29 |
| vanjwilson | @ckotil: thanks for the suggestion | 17:40 |
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| @scrottie | MoNdAy! | 20:07 |
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| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * re60c926 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.27 development. - http://git.io/4Sqfuw | 08:53 |
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| CIA-93 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r94d4514 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Bump the version number in wre.conf - http://git.io/PzI9vw | 21:55 |
| CIA-93 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r4821423 / wre/var/setupfiles/mime.types : Add mime types for proprietarily constrained files from a known monopolist. - http://git.io/dalpxA | 21:55 |
| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r4d30562 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/userImport.pl): Fix a POD typo in the userImport script. Fixes bug #12379 - http://git.io/lkjfcQ | 23:00 |
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| qwebirc43627 | Hello! | 11:23 |
| qwebirc43627 | I read last post in webGUI blog | 11:24 |
| qwebirc43627 | abut new WRE 9.4 release | 11:25 |
| qwebirc43627 | but... | 11:25 |
| qwebirc43627 | where can I download it ? | 11:25 |
| qwebirc43627 | I need the source package | 11:25 |
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| qwebirc43627 | ! | 12:12 |
| qwebirc43627 | If someone can answrer please mail me grigno@studiopleiadi.it | 12:57 |
| qwebirc43627 | bye | 12:57 |
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| qwebirc64505 | Hi. I noticed that another wre, 0.9.4 has been released. Are (0.9.6, 0.9.4) they both for webgui 8? | 18:45 |
| +danny_mk | Hmmm... not sure who is working on that. Hang around, someone may answer the question, the guys tend to walk away from their computers a lot. | 18:52 |
| sbaur | 0.9.4 will work for 7.x | 18:53 |
| sbaur | I just moved a 7.6.35 site to a box with 0.9.4 | 18:53 |
| sbaur | just be sure to run testEnvironment.pl... | 18:54 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer does those. he isn't on here so the best way to get his attention is to post messages on the forum on webgui.org. | 19:16 |
| qwebirc64505 | Can I use CentOS-6.x or does it have to be 5.x? | 19:18 |
| sbaur | I was on 5.x | 19:18 |
| sbaur | I tried getting the WRE (before 0.9.4) to work on centos 6 and had problems, so decided to go back to 5 | 19:19 |
| qwebirc64505 | What are some of the wre-0.9.4 server's requirement? With wre-0.9.3 I had to install imagemagick...should anything else be installed? mysql! | 19:23 |
| sbaur | the wre should have everything already included | 19:24 |
| sbaur | though you will definitely need to run testEnvironment.pl to install specific perl modules that might not be there for your version | 19:25 |
| qwebirc64505 | Is all I need, a bare minimal CentOS-5.x (32 / 64 bit) server? | 19:27 |
| sbaur | That should work, yes. But my server, was a PB supplied one. it's possible perlDreamer did some work behind the scenes that I'm not aware of. OTOH, I'm setting up my own non PB server and haven't run into any issues yet as far as specific software needing to be there (besides maybe gcc and some other dev stuff to get those aforementioned perl modules in) | 19:29 |
| @scrottie | qwebirc, I haven't looked at what perlDreamer actually released, but up until now, the wre has been 32 bit | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | you can run 32 bit binaries on a 64 bit machine, but you run into problems when you try to compile C code | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | perl modules with C parts (XS modules) built on a 64 bit system for a 32 bit WRE need lots of hand holding and flags set and sometimes more than that | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | I've been encouraging people to do the source install if they want to use a 64 bit VM | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | (installing perl modules happens when you run testEnvironment.pl and it finds modules added to wG since the WRE was released) | 19:57 |
| qwebirc64505 | I followed wre-0.9.4 install instructions and I'm getting message: Perl Interpreter: Please upgrade to 5.8.9 or later! Cannot continue without Perl 5.8.9 or higher. | 20:09 |
| @scrottie | type: which perl | 20:11 |
| @scrottie | what does that come back with? | 20:11 |
| qwebirc64505 | I don't understand your request...please explain. All I have done was - untar wre-0.9.4 and webgui-7.10.26 in /data and followed the wre install instructions. | 20:15 |
| sbaur | at your command line, he'd like you to type "which perl" | 20:15 |
| sbaur | then hit return | 20:15 |
| qwebirc64505 | ok. I got - /usr/bin/perl | 20:16 |
| @scrottie | /usr/bin/perl is the perl that came with your OS. it isn't the one that came with your WRE. which is what I suspected when you said that you got the error "Please upgrade to 5.8.9 or later! Cannot continue without Perl 5.8.9 or higher." | 20:17 |
| @scrottie | you missed step 8: https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/3388ff716f676bb286cf0ee9c392275914b16597/wre/docs/install.txt | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | among other things, setenvironment prepends /data/wre/sbin and /data/wre/prereqs/bin to your PATH environment variable, so that the command shell looks for programs in there first. | 20:19 |
| qwebirc64505 | Thanks. I forgot to set environment in duplicate console. | 20:20 |
| @scrottie | sure thing. and makes sense. I don't have that in my bashrc either. | 20:22 |
| qwebirc64505 | Re webgui 8. Is it this easy to install? | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | I'm working on an installer for it. | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | you're welcome to test it. | 20:35 |
| @scrottie | it's supposed to target Debian, RedHat, and generic Linux systems that already have perl and mysql installed but so far I've just been testing it on Debian. | 20:36 |
| sbaur | scrottie, when you are mostly ready (and I have some time) I could test the redhat stuff for you | 20:37 |
| @scrottie | xdanger has a quickie shell script that installs it too, on a fresh Debian, but I wouldn't recommend running it on an existing system you care about. no error checking. but people have had good luck with it. | 20:37 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, if you wanted to save me some digging around, look at https://gist.github.com/2973558, search through there for the "apt-get" lines, and see if you can guess which packages I need to install instead on RedHat | 20:42 |
| qwebirc64505 | Scrottie, Will it install on current OS versions both 32 & 64 bit? | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | qwebirc, re: wG8, it comes with some install instructions, but those aren't for using the WRE. I have some install instructions for installing it on top of the WRE in a gist somewhere that I've been meaning to merge into there, but the WRE has been in limbo so I've been waiting for perlDreamer to release this WRE. | 20:43 |
| @scrottie | qwebirc, the 8 installer I'm working on or the install instructions or in general? in general, it'll install. the install instructions that come with it and the installer are both essentially "source installs". they use system packages, so 32/64 bit doesn't matter. | 20:44 |
| @scrottie | 32/64 bit only becomes a problem with the WRE. | 20:44 |
| qwebirc64505 | Will perl and mysql need to be the most current or the OS default at install? | 20:46 |
| @scrottie | they don't need to be "the most current", but 5.8.9 is ancient | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | 5.10.0 has serious bugs in it that make it not recommended for production use | 20:47 |
| @scrottie | 5.8.9 is a maintenance release from 2008 that is mostly bugfixes on top of a release from 2002. so, feature wise, it's ten years out of date. | 20:49 |
| @scrottie | 5.16.1 is out. | 20:50 |
| @scrottie | the latest 5.12.x is recommended, by me. | 20:50 |
| @scrottie | or newer. | 20:50 |
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| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r55893c0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Crud.pm): Fix Crud's pPFFP and commit the results this time so that I don't lose it and have to explain why I'm redoing 4 hours of painstaking form work with testing. Fixes bug #12382. - http://git.io/Li9MZA | 01:01 |
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| CIA-93 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek plebgui-7.10 * r1adfb3f / lib/WebGUI/Session/Plack.pm : Fix WebGUI::Session::Plack's param statement to be compatible with Apache2::Request's. (+5 more commits...) - http://git.io/JcaYGQ | 12:36 |
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| qwebirc96985 | Hi Scrottie. I tried installing your webgui 8 script but ran into issues. I updated to perl-5.14.2 http://szabgab.com/download-and-install-perl.html and installed Percona musql on CentOS 6. | 20:00 |
| qwebirc96985 | Error message, http://pastebin.com/q5kDJPUN | 20:02 |
| haarg | how did you update perl? | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | "Can't locate ExtUtils/MakeMaker.pm in @INC" | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | looking at this, it seems like qwebirc96985 still doesn't have a handle on PATH | 21:03 |
| @scrottie | "(@INC contains: /usr/local/lib64/perl5 /usr/local/share/perl5 /usr/lib64/perl5/vendor_perl" ... if you did install a perl, I'm guessing you build it from source (tar -xzvf perl-.....tar.gz, ./configure PREFIX=/usr/local, etc) | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | and then you went and ran the system perl. | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | it also looks like your Debian system hasn't been updated in ages. | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | I'd discourage you from maintaining two perl installs if you're not clear on how to invoke one or the other of them and know which one is which and what you have installed with each of them. | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | also, you're going to need to backup your system then do apt-get dist-upgrade, if your system perl (the one in /usr/bin) is 5.8. | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | the installer script is alphawhere. while I'm happy to see what interesting environments people throw at it (right now it's clear that I need to make it recognize older perls as such and perhaps offer to do something about it), you'll probably get frustrated with it before it ever works for you. | 21:07 |
| qwebirc96985 | I'm on CentOS 6. I source install perl on system. | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | your best bet is probably to run the WRE on a new 32 bit Linux install. your second best option is probably to dist-upgrade that thing and follow the sourc einstall instructions. | 21:07 |
| @scrottie | okay, well, there's zero support for CentOS in my installer right now. | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | it won't install the many packages it needs automatically on there yet. | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | I need to figure out what the names of the packages on CentOS are first. | 21:08 |
| qwebirc96985 | OK. I will try a Debian install next wk. | 21:08 |
| @scrottie | well... it doesn't matter if you do Debian or RedHat if you're using WebGUI's source install instructions | 21:09 |
| @scrottie | if you use the WRE, unless this just changed, you need a 32 bit install | 21:09 |
| @scrottie | the WRE install instructions for wG8 aren't bundled with WebGUI 8 right now | 21:09 |
| @scrottie | https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/master/docs/install.txt ... that's the source install instructions for wG | 21:10 |
| @scrottie | if you did that, you'd want to use the perl you installed into /usr/local/bin | 21:10 |
| @scrottie | use it = make sure it comes before the other perl in your path | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | eg, your PATH should look like /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | which it might already | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | do: echo $PATH | 21:11 |
| @scrottie | I won't lie. getting through the wG install instructions is a chore. when PlainBlack hires someone, it usually takes them a week to make it through without missing something, missing an error message, misinterpreting something, or so on. and there are probably errors in those instructions. I'll help, but, brace yourself. | 21:12 |
| qwebirc96985 | path = /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin | 21:12 |
| CIA-93 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r85502ec / wre/sbin/backup.pl : Skip backing up the information_schema table, since it cannot be locked and is not longer ignored in mysql 5.1 - http://git.io/qa4tbA | 21:13 |
| @scrottie | oh boy. today is going to be one of those days. | 21:29 |
| @scrottie | I started going to bed at a half way reasonable hour, too, which is a major victory, but I'm still sleeping in until the same time. I guess I should just set an alarm =| | 21:32 |
| qwebirc96985 | scrottie. I tried the webgui 8 script on debian and it failed getting a copy of webgui from github. error 'rfc faled; result=22, http code = 417' | 22:37 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | odd. | 23:20 |
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| ckotil | Anyone know why the Nav asset orders child asset based on Rank, but the drag n drop stuff changes contentPosition? | 18:50 |
| ckotil | im using the Nav asset to render a table of contents. it would be nice to get the drag n drop to change the order on the nav asset. Any advice/workarounds to make that consistent? | 18:52 |
| haarg | paye layouts can position items in any way on the page | 18:56 |
| haarg | there's no way to directly correlate that with a simple linear order | 18:56 |
| ckotil | http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/drag-and-drop-assets-in-page-view-changes-asset-ranking | 18:57 |
| ckotil | aye | 18:57 |
| ckotil | well crap. | 18:58 |
| ckotil | if the nav asset had template variables for content position, then i'd be all set | 18:58 |
| ckotil | i may have to make that happen | 18:58 |
| haarg | that sounds painful | 19:10 |
| ckotil | what if I expose the contentPositions variable from the Layout template to the nav asset via a scratch variable? then use some TT or H:T:E foo to get the order correct by matching on the assetIds? | 19:14 |
| ckotil | if scratch variables wont help here, I can add contentPositions to the nav asset template variables, and maybe do it that way. | 19:15 |
| ckotil | just not very elegant | 19:15 |
| haarg | that sounds horrid | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | how does the Nav asset order stuff now? arbitrarily? | 19:20 |
| haarg | rank by default i think, but i think it can sort by an arbitrary field | 19:21 |
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| ckotil | rank is all i know | 19:24 |
| ckotil | i was hoping to find something abotu contentPosition in the template doc's or the .pm didn't see anything about it | 19:24 |
| @scrottie | rank sounds pretty reasonable. did you need the actual rank to be different than the order they appear in the nav? | 19:50 |
| ckotil | so the layout has drag and drop functionality. when you move child assets around whle on a layout, you then create a contentPositions list | 19:51 |
| ckotil | but the navigation asset is oblivious of that | 19:51 |
| @scrottie | so you want this feature because you think it should be there...? or is the lack of it causing a problem? | 19:53 |
| ckotil | both | 19:53 |
| @scrottie | what problem is it causing? | 19:54 |
| ckotil | I've got a table of contents on a Layout generated by a nav asset. the only way to move things around in the TOC is to edit the rank via assetManage. meanwhile, the Layout has drag n drop. but it doesnt change the order of the TOC | 19:54 |
| ckotil | if Nav Asset understood contentPositions, then all would be well in the world | 19:54 |
| @scrottie | ah, you don't just want the Nav asset to understand content positions, but you want it to share the info with the Layout. | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | if it had its own concept of content positions, then you'd have the same problem. | 19:55 |
| ckotil | so the Layout does 'own' contentPositions | 19:56 |
| ckotil | nav asset doesn't need it's own | 19:56 |
| ckotil | I could generate the TOC using the Layout PageLoop, but it doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the nav asset | 19:56 |
| @scrottie | I could imagine an "asset order" API that a lot of things publish and consume. calendar, shop ("shelf"), image gallery, collaboration system all have their own concepts of asset orders. | 19:58 |
| @scrottie | plus the layout, of course. | 19:58 |
| ckotil | that would be useful | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | as soon as Nav is pulling the asset order from Layout, people would wonder why it only pulls from Layout | 19:59 |
| ckotil | yah. im looking into adding a new sort rule to Navigation.pm right now. to check to see if there is a contentPositions for the parent asset (in my case this will be the Layout) | 19:59 |
| @scrottie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wTWWjYTe1I just in case anyone missed it | 20:12 |
| ckotil | thanks for the brownie points w/ my wife :) | 20:13 |
| @scrottie | you betcha! =) | 20:14 |
| ckotil | havent been to the Cincy zoo in ages. !!!! haha @ ending | 20:14 |
| @scrottie | sqeeeee!!! | 20:14 |
| ckotil | im zeroing in on a new rule that will make my sorting by contentPositions a reality | 20:21 |
| ckotil | a new order by | 20:21 |
| ckotil | group by assetData.assetId order by FIELD(asset.assetId,% magic happens here, the comma sepearated list of contentPositions %); | 20:22 |
| @scrottie | I'm scared. | 20:24 |
| ckotil | the AssetLineage->getLineageIterator is scary | 20:25 |
| @scrottie | a bit, yeah. the approach makes sense. it could be made more presentable though. | 20:26 |
| ckotil | crud. so the nav assets parent isn't what I thought it would be. Bc im using an assetProxy macro in the layout template to include the nav asset. (and this is where the TOC is generated). trying to get the assetId of the layout to retrieve contentPositions | 20:27 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 20:27 |
| haarg | aside from the issue of contentPositions being owned by layout, it's just impossible to have an accurate mapping between order and contentPositions | 21:01 |
| ckotil | yeah, for a general purpose feature. | 21:02 |
| ckotil | but for hacking purposes, it just might work. | 21:02 |
| ckotil | my hacking* | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | right. | 21:05 |
| ckotil | i got it working. sort of. now to clean it up | 21:43 |
| ckotil | saweet | 21:47 |
| ckotil | i wish the TOC were generated via AJAX so I could refresh them on the fly, after a change to contentPositions. | 21:47 |
| ckotil | i may just add a meta refresh after a change to contentPositions. | 21:47 |
| ckotil | bah, this is proving to be a pain in the neck. proof in concept does work, but it's going to be tough to make sure my changes don't break anything else | 21:57 |
| ckotil | when you're on a layout that only has articles beneath it, the content positions work great for dictating the order in the TOC. but see the issue is that Layouts don't appear in contentPositions, so the TOC get's all wonky :/ | 22:12 |
| * ckotil put's the one down, and backs away | 22:38 | |
| ckotil | that one | 22:38 |
| qwebirc54247 | Scrottie. Re. webgui 8 install script. Line 850: I had to change http > https to connect to github. | 23:11 |
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| @scrottie | my $url = 'http://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git'; | 03:56 |
| @scrottie | qwebirc54247, that's line 850 for me. was yours different? what exactly did you have to change? | 03:56 |
| qwebirc54247 | The github url has to be secured. https | 04:03 |
| qwebirc54247 | Scrottie. I also had the install stop while 'testEnvironment.pl' was being run at - Checking for module DBD::mysql: --- stuck. | 04:17 |
| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r93f583d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post/Thread.pm): getLastPost in Thread.pm should not cast its data, but allow the asset to determine its own type. - http://git.io/3xsH3g | 04:26 |
| @scrottie | what happens if the URL isn't https? that works for me. in fact, with https in it, the lack of CRLs can keep it from working. | 05:43 |
| qwebirc54247 | The install does not proceed. | 05:47 |
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| ckotil | anyone know if the bug in paginate has been fixed where it displays pages for results to unauthenticated users? not the results themselves, but the number of pages there could be if a user had auth to view everything. | 17:55 |
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| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r4f74c4c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix metaData revisionDates that were left as 0 from upgrades. Thanks to Dale Trexe for the script which inspired this upgrade sub. Fixes bug #12339. - http://git.io/r9OTcQ | 21:47 |
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| +danny_mk | OK scrottie, I think I am done with the "New Content->Basic" tests | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | danny_mk++ | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | merging and running tests again is still on my todo list | 23:22 |
| +danny_mk | I will start to tackle the Community stuff tomorrow, would also love to help out with the bugs but that will come after I have completed all the test writting | 23:22 |
| +danny_mk | I really would love to have a production WebGUI8 release this year if possible | 23:23 |
| +danny_mk | lets see if it happens | 23:24 |
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| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r3cfc42d / (134 files in 65 dirs): Update TinyMCE to 3.5.6 - http://git.io/3nYUSw | 02:01 |
| CIA-93 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r56e8240 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Changelog notice for TinyMCE upgrade. - http://git.io/2OxZ4A | 02:02 |
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