WebGUI irc logs from: 2012-07.log

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knowmadGood day, anyone around who's familiar with debugging SPECTRE? I've got a server where spectre says it's connecting but workflows aren't getting run. I can see them showing up in the WorkflowInstance table but there's nothing running, waiting or suspended workflows showing up in the admin interface or via `spectre --status`.20:17
knowmadIt looks like a configuration error; we were using a ServerName in modproxy that wasn't configured in modperl. I am getting a strange error message in webgui.org: "ERROR - www.mysite.com.conf - WebGUI::Mail::Send::send[538] - smtp object is defined in Send.pm for: localhost".20:53
@scrottiehiya knowmad20:59
knowmadhey scrottie20:59
@scrottiewell, congradulations.  your error message is a "google bomb":  there's exactly one hit for it.  http://www.ptodirect.com/Patents/617833121:01
@scrottieis this from a diagnostic test I had you insert into your Send.pm previously?21:02
@scrottiethat doesn't seem to match any standard WebGUI Send.pm error() call21:02
@scrottienot even re-throwing an error from another module21:02
knowmadlet me take a look...21:03
@scrottieif so, that might be a red herring.  if it's after these lines, then $smpt *should* be defined:  my $smtp = Net::SMTP->new($smtpServer); # connect to an SMTP server ... if (defined $smtp) {21:03
knowmadi think you were helping Van with some debugging recently so that may explain it. BRB.21:04
@scrottiehttp://pastie.org/418858921:05
@scrottiethat's something that I do when trying to debug Spectre stuff.  when spectre fails to make a request, it gives the full text of the request and response as text, with that.21:06
@scrottieI have some notes from Haarg explaining Spectre that I'll dig up, but it feels slightly disingenuous to read those off as a trouble shooting procedure when I don't really know what I'm talking about.21:07
knowmadBingo! That was it; looks like Van was doing some debugging.21:08
knowmadthanks for the Spectre debugging patch; I found the following page useful as well: http://www.webgui.org/user-guides/webgui-administrators-guide/webgui-administrators-guide/troubleshooting21:09
@scrottiewas making that error go away all that was needed?  email is going out otherwise?21:10
knowmadyep, email is now being delivered; however, we have a rule on the other end that's sending it to /dev/null :(. Off to debug that next! Thanks for the tip.21:13
@scrottiegood, good.  eek, bad, bad.21:13
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CIA-69wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r0dd2a26 / (build.sh getsource.sh): Remove manual build of perl modules. - http://git.io/H_VsaA23:20
CIA-69wrebuild: Colin Kuskie wre7 * r7b22b66 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Update documentation for 0.9.4 - http://git.io/iECr4g23:20
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CIA-69webgui: Mark Leighton Fisher webgui-7.10 * r7a6ee77 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Search.pm): Fixed WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Search::view() so HTML highlighting not broken by search phrase with unmatched char pairs - http://git.io/58nPxA00:08
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+danny_mkscrottie:  https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/master/selenium00:16
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CIA-69webgui: Daniel Maldonado master * r79c2fff / (16 files): Initial Selenium Test Suite (Basic) - http://git.io/e2X1Qg10:39
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+danny_mkis the person that uses Selenium for testing here?  Sorry to keep on asking but I forgot the nickname16:24
ckotilsbaur , and I don't see him16:28
+danny_mkyup, thanks16:29
+danny_mkproblem is writing IFrame/Frame Selenium tests, have to do some research and figure it out 16:30
+danny_mkscrottie:  As I add tests do you need me to make other pull requests?17:53
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@scrottieor get rid of the iframe =P18:53
@scrottiedanny_mk, mornin'18:53
@scrottiedanny_mk, yeah.  the best thing you could do is make a branch for the selenium work that doesn't have any other commits in it for other stuff18:53
@scrottiegit branch selenium; git checkout selenium18:54
@scrottiegit cherry-pick b8596fd10da910254150db02dc7336bda5a25c89  # to bring over the one commit that you did18:55
@scrottiethen to push that:  git push origin selenium18:56
@scrottie(I think)18:56
@scrottiegithub has a "send pushrequest" thing built in to it, too, but I'm happy to pull your branch 18:57
+danny_mkOK, still reading about possible Perl driven tests which would be the ideal way to run the tests18:58
@scrottieoh yeah.  that would be good.18:59
+danny_mkI was writing some frameless tests:  https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/master/selenium/frameless18:59
+danny_mkwill let you know how it all works out.  I am not writing any more tests until I figure out if the test should be run with:  Test::WWW::Selenium, the Selenium IDE or something else19:01
@scrottieunderstood.19:01
@scrottiethanks for getting that started.19:02
@scrottieand I find it encouraging that you aren't complaining about tons and tons of bugs.19:02
+danny_mkLOL, I found a few already but will leave that for later19:02
@scrottiestoring the "test scripts" as essentially HTML seems awfully odd to me19:02
@scrottieah, I see19:02
+danny_mkwhy?19:03
+danny_mkhtml is the format used by the IDE and possibly the Perl modules19:03
+danny_mkone positive note is that I found a way to test frames19:04
@scrottiemany formats are used by perl modules, including XML.19:05
@scrottieHTML is a flavor of SGML (XML is another flavor of SGML) used for visual markup19:05
@scrottieseems like XML would make more sense than HTML for storing stuff other than visual markup19:05
+danny_mkscrottie:  not sure about the file format requirements, initial documentation suggested html, not sure if xml is an option but I will go in that direction if available.19:09
+danny_mkone thing about the tests, the WWW::Selenium (and derived classes) documentation suggest running a Java based Selenium test server.  Will this be a problem for the community?19:10
@scrottiemaybe they write HTML because that's what the browser plugin can do.  the browser knows how to read/write HTML but nothing else...19:10
@scrottieexcept maybe JSON19:10
@scrottiedanny_mk, problems come in different sizes =)19:11
@scrottieI think it'll make it harder for people to run the tests, but we really only need one person running the tests19:11
+danny_mkI will take that as a "GO AHEAD", I will worry about supporting servers later19:12
@scrottiehaving to install anything is always a small barrier19:12
@scrottieexactly19:12
+danny_mkOK, most people should have Java installed and the server seems to come in the form of a jar file:  java -jar selenium-server-1.0-SNAPSHOT.jar [-port 4444] [-interactive] [-timeout 1800]19:13
@scrottieI find that mine is never the right version19:13
@scrottieanyway, if someone can find a better way, they can always send in a patch later19:13
+danny_mkOK19:14
@scrottieany docs about how to run the tests are helpful.  I read the README (thanks for that), but we're all pretty clueless about this stuff, so everything helps.19:14
+danny_mkmore documentation to come as my Selenium understanding improves19:15
@scrottiedanny_mk++19:16
+danny_mkmaybe even a few WebGUI youtube videos19:16
@scrottiewoot19:16
+danny_mkbeen dying to test my new mic19:16
+danny_mkhmm... come to think of it I hate my voice :-)19:16
@scrottieI'm going to try to work on installer stuff today if I can get one other little itty bitty thing done19:16
@scrottiealmost everyone hates their voice.  other people probably don't hate your voice.  or maybe you sound like Gilbert Godfrey.19:17
+danny_mkalright, I will let you get back to work, this stuff is interesting so I have to get to it.19:17
+danny_mk:-/19:17
@scrottiewell, feel free to chat me up about stuff.19:18
+danny_mkI will as soon as I make progress, now to cleanup the OpenId branch and start a new Selenium branch...argghhh...19:18
@scrottieI'm getting ready to take the trash downstairs and take a shower right now =P19:18
@scrottiemaybe run some mail across the street.19:18
@scrottieheh.  and I'll help with git stuff too.19:18
@scrottiean Open Source project's version control system should not be an impedement to contributors.19:19
+danny_mktoo much shit to learn19:19
@scrottieseriously.19:19
+danny_mkwhy did I choose IT again?19:19
@scrottiebecause programmers are eternal optimists, therefore you're an optimist, therefore the absurd amounts of work seem completely doable at times.19:20
+danny_mkaahhh.... that was it.  Thanks!!!19:20
@scrottie;p)19:21
@scrottie"Actually the pull request were for my OpenId and Oauth2 modules" ... I don't know much about Oauth2 or OpenId, but if it has tests and the code looks good and the tests pass for me, I'll merge the code in.19:34
@scrottieyou just have to tell me how to find the code in question ;)19:34
@scrottieopenauth sounds like a pretty great feature, actually.19:42
ckotiland CoSign!19:43
ckotilShibboleth too, as painful as that is19:44
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+danny_mkscrottie:  simple, it is just a way to use your "Facebook/Google/etc..." accounts to login to WebGUI20:16
+danny_mkdarn, I need to make a video about that too20:16
+danny_mkOne thing I definitely have to do is find out how to make WebGUI an OAuth2 server, this way other websites can authenticate against a WebGUI server.20:18
@scrottieprobably do that using a content handler (WebGUI::Content) subclass.20:21
@scrottiethey can handle actions on requests that aren't logged in.  the PayPal callbacks are in there.20:21
@scrottieer, are done that way.20:21
@scrottieI imagine the client case (WebGUI authenticating against LiveJournal) would be more common.  low hanging fruit.20:22
+danny_mkI am pretty sure that is already done20:22
+danny_mkhold on20:22
@scrottieah20:23
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+danny_mkIf a LiveJournal server is an OpenId server then the modules:  http://www.webgui.org/bazaar/openid-auth-module20:24
@scrottieah.  shows how little I know about this, too.20:29
+danny_mkYup, a LiveJournal account can be used to login to WebGUI when using the OpenId module20:29
@scrottievarious sites on the 'net offer to let me log in with my LiveJournal account information but it never actually works.20:29
@scrottieI guess if I had seen it work, I would be more interested in the tech.20:30
+danny_mkI am looking into OAuth2 because I want to make FaceBook apps available by writing them in WebGUI and using FaceBook as my deployment platform20:30
+danny_mkHey, I gave a presentation on it and everything at a WUC20:30
+danny_mk:-)20:33
@scrottienice!20:34
@scrottieevery now and then, I watch one of the online WUC videos.20:35
+danny_mkI use it all the time at work so my users don't need to remember another login and password.  They just use their Yahoo, FaceBook, Google accounts to login.20:36
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CIA-69webgui: Scott Walters master * r2417ce0 / (14 files): use the default of localhost:5000 instead of any other hard-coded URL; add instructions for changing this - http://git.io/D7QXFw22:12
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+danny_mkscrottie:  you around?00:12
@scrottieyup!00:12
+danny_mkOK, I am going to need a bit of git help to commit these changes00:13
@scrottiealright.00:13
+danny_mkso, do I create a git branch from my repo at:  https://github.com/dannymk/webgui.git00:13
@scrottieby the way, to avoid future conflicts, you should pull from the https://github.com/plainblack/webgui master into your branch you're working in for the selenium stuff00:13
@scrottieyeah.  'git branch whatever' then 'git checkout whatever' should do it.00:14
+danny_mkthat did it fine, however does that not clone my repo and not WebGUIs repo?00:14
@scrottieyeah, it does.  it's a fork in the road, so to speak.  er, it clones your repo.00:15
+danny_mkOK, this will just be easier doing it by the numbers00:15
@scrottiedoesn't actually clone it, though.00:16
@scrottiebut effectively.00:16
@scrottiedo you have more changes sitting around somewhere that you want?00:16
+danny_mkyes00:17
@scrottieare they ready to be committed, or are they already commited, or not yet?00:17
+danny_mklets do it from scratch, I will just copy my changes into the new repo00:18
+danny_mkit will be easier this way00:18
+danny_mkstep 1?00:18
+danny_mkgit clone https://github.com/plainblack/webgui00:18
@scrottiealright, if you insist.  you can always do 'git diff > /tmp/tmp.diff' and then apply them later with 'patch -p1 < /tmp/tmp.diff' if nothing else.00:18
@scrottieclone creates a new repo00:18
@scrottieyou don't want to do that00:18
@scrottieand it won't let you do that00:18
@scrottiethat would actually blow away changes you have00:19
+danny_mkOK, here is where I am at00:19
+danny_mkstand by00:19
@scrottie'git pull https://github.com/plainblack/webgui'00:19
@scrottiethat'll get you all of the changes (commits) that you don't have00:19
@scrottiethen there's a way to get rid of your local changes and go to the exact state of things as on that branch/repo on github00:20
@scrottiein that branch00:20
+danny_mkhttp://pastebin.com/SuWUF6js00:20
@scrottieyeah.  stuff is going to conflict.00:21
@scrottieoh well.00:21
@scrottiedid you do the git pull?00:22
+danny_mknothing yet00:22
@scrottiehmm?00:23
@scrottieI assume you want the other patches besides 'Initial Selenium Test Suite (Basic)' too00:23
+danny_mkbasically everything stays the same with the exception of README and login.html00:24
+danny_mkI think :-{00:24
+danny_mkshould I do the git pull?00:25
@scrottieyup.00:25
+danny_mkOK, stand by00:25
@scrottiethat'll merge in stuff that is on github that you don't have.00:25
@scrottiekeeping things in sync avoids conflicts.00:25
@scrottieexcept for when it causes them ;)00:25
+danny_mkthe file .DS_Store should not be there, that is a Mac thing.  I should delete it from my repo00:26
@scrottieokay.  let's do that later after we get things sorted out.00:26
@scrottieyou can 'git rm' it and commit that change.00:26
+danny_mkOK, I have to commit my README00:26
@scrottieone thing at a time!00:26
+danny_mkPlease, commit your changes or stash them before you can merge.00:26
@scrottieah00:27
@scrottieup to you.  'git add README', 'git commit' or else 'git stash'00:27
@scrottie'git stash' puts local changes onto a stack.  then you can later 'git stash show' or 'git stash apply' or just forget about it.00:27
@scrottieer, it undoes your changes but remembers them in a sort of temporary commit that goes onto a stack.00:28
+danny_mkhttp://pastebin.com/JRZCrmZM00:30
@scrottiewe both tried to fix the URLs.  if you had pulled my commit (and I had made it and sent it up and you saw it) before changing the same lines, it wouldn't have conflicted, by the way.00:32
@scrottieconflicts are a pain.  basically the same deal as in CVS or anything else.00:32
@scrottiein this case though... let's not manually resolve them.00:32
+danny_mkthey are the same tests anyway, should I delete my copies and just pull yours?00:32
@scrottienot exactly00:33
haargwhy are you trying to pull by url?  generally i'd recommend adding a remote and using that to pull.00:33
@scrottiehaarg, we're working across repos here00:33
haarghuh?00:33
@scrottiehe needs to track his own repo.  in the future, I'll suggest that he push and then use github to send pull requests.00:33
haargso add the pb repo as 'upstream' and leave origin pointing at his own00:34
@scrottiesounds good, haarg!  let's do it!  first, I want to clean up the state of his repo.00:34
+danny_mkhaarg:  I am a git virgin, be gentle :-/00:34
@scrottiethat's the thing about git.  if you ask for help with it, people start spoonfeeding a billion commands, one after another.00:34
haargdanny_mk: git repos can have multiple remotes.  when you clone, it creates creates a repo named 'origin' by default.00:35
@scrottieand then they fight over which commands you should be running.00:35
haargerr, a remote named 'origin'00:35
haargyou can add additional remotes with arbitrary names, letting you merge from multiple sources00:35
+danny_mkwell, my confusion comes from having my own repo, pushing my changes to my github repo and sending pull requests to plainblack for contributions00:36
+danny_mkthis is why I am having scrottie walk me through these changes00:37
+danny_mkit is still pretty confusing to me00:37
+danny_mkI have no idea where I am at this point 00:37
@scrottiesometimes the verbose way is less confusing.  it's no great burdon to type in https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.00:38
@scrottiedanny_mk:  right now, your local git repo knows about all of the commits from the plainblack webgui repo.00:38
haargit's more that it's kind of unknown what branch it will pull in, and i barely even know where it places the results if you just use a url00:38
+danny_mkscrottie:  OK, cool, that I get00:39
@scrottieyour local branch is in flux.  it has the files edited, just like you would edit them, but when you commit the changes, it'll re-use an existing commit message and add a message about merging conflicts.00:39
@scrottieor you can do other things.  I want to something else.00:39
haargdanny_mk: as of your last pastebin, you are half way though a merge.  some things couldn't automatically be merged.00:39
haargcan you pastebin the result of git status?00:39
+danny_mkOK, hang on guys00:40
@scrottiehaarg, I don't want him to merge things.  I'm going to have him reset his head and then cherry-pick his patches out.00:40
@scrottiehaarg, it won't conflict.  we can skip my patch that I did at the same time as him on the same thing.00:40
@scrottiehaarg, we'll cover merges in a future episode.00:40
haargok00:40
+danny_mkhttp://pastebin.com/7YPtJaTC00:41
@scrottiedanny_mk, please do this:  git reset --hard 79c2fffbbac7dccaaead9bab0d93ba497c218bd900:41
@scrottiethat will take everything back to exactly what things looked like in the plainblack webgui repo right after your "Initial Selenium Test Suite (Basic)" commit00:41
+danny_mkare you sure?00:41
@scrottiepretty sure =)00:41
+danny_mkOK, should I save a copy of my changes someplace else?00:42
@scrottieother stuff isn't gone.  it's just not referenced by 'HEAD' any longer after that.00:42
+danny_mkOK, doing it now00:42
@scrottiewhich changes?  the ones to readme?  did you commit those or did you stash them?00:42
+danny_mkHEAD is now at 79c2fff Initial Selenium Test Suite (Basic)00:42
+danny_mkpretty sure they are stashed00:42
haargdanny_mk: one thing to keep in mind with git is as long as you've committed something once, git keeps it around locally for at least 90 days00:43
+danny_mkOK00:43
@scrottieyou always have a 'HEAD'.  when you change branches, 'HEAD' changes.  'HEAD' gives you a handle on the entire tree (repo), but it only includes the stuff between it and the ground, not the other branches.  but those branches can be merged together.  and the stuff in them is still there.  not all of the metaphorical branches are branches you create with 'git branch'00:43
haargit can be a pain to track down, but it saves the content in case you do a reset --hard or similar accidentally00:44
haargthat only applies to committed content though, --hard is still dangerous if you have uncommitted files00:44
@scrottiedanny_mk, okay, next up, I'm going to have you "cherry-pick" out the changes you made previously, one by one.00:44
@scrottiecherry-pick takes a commit that was done in another branch or otherwise elsewhere that's not part of the current branch and does the same thing to the current branch.00:45
@scrottiegit cherry-pick bc5a3052df80104abae697f17454586723140a82      ... do that00:45
+danny_mkscrottie:  explain something, what is the problem with leaving everything as it is right now?00:45
@scrottiethat's "Adding frameless tests to get around WebGUI/Selenium frame issue (may be a temporary solution)"00:45
@scrottiedanny_mk, the problem is that the reset --hard moved you to a (logical) branch where your other changes don't exist.00:46
+danny_mkit is OK, I only need to make changes to the README which I can do manually, then I can add files, wouldn't that be easier?00:47
@scrottiewhere I had you get reset --hard to was the current state of the plainblack webgui repo right after I applied your first patch.  your other patches aren't in there.00:47
+danny_mkOK00:47
@scrottieit's pretty easy to cherry-pick.00:47
+danny_mkI will follow the steps00:47
@scrottielet's do that first and then figure out what's missing.00:47
@scrottiegit cherry-pick bc5a3052df80104abae697f17454586723140a82    ... that was the first one00:48
@scrottiegit cherry-pick c30de6c306b0be75e15855ca34649a638488f07f   ... next00:48
+danny_mk 9 files changed, 243 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)00:48
+danny_mk 1 files changed, 10 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)00:48
+danny_mkOK00:49
@scrottiehaarg, by the way, he was working in his master branch with unrelated changes and not having pulled from upstream recently.  so the larger goal here is to get him into a branch (done), get those other unrelated chagnes out of that branch (done), and then get back the changes actually related to this branch/project (in progress)00:49
@scrottienext up:  git cherry-pick ac74244de080d6eabe401fdd7fd3271e61565de600:49
+danny_mk 3 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)00:50
@scrottiethat's "Using the Selenium server instead of the Selelium IDE" and it's the last one I see in http://pastebin.com/SuWUF6js (working in reverse order, which makes sense, because each commit is on top of ones before it)00:50
@scrottieokay.  now you should be in pretty good shape there.00:50
@scrottieinspect the files and make sure things are basically okay00:50
+danny_mkOK, if you say so00:50
@scrottieheh00:50
+danny_mkstand by00:50
+danny_mkOK00:51
+danny_mknow what?00:51
@scrottie'git push origin selenium'00:51
+danny_mk * [new branch]      selenium -> selenium00:52
@scrottiethat'll push your branch to the "remote" (like haarg was talking about) named "origin", which should be github00:52
+danny_mkLOL, the README has our irc conversation00:53
+danny_mkhave to clean that up00:53
@scrottieheh00:53
@scrottieyeah, that's a git bug ;)00:53
* scrottie does git pull https://github.com/dannymk/webgui selenium00:54
@scrottieI see about the IRC conversation.00:54
@scrottieyou should be able to fix that, add the related files, commit, then push... then tell me after you push and I'll pull that00:55
+danny_mkOK, hold on00:55
@scrottieno hurry.  just narrating git processes.00:55
+danny_mkOK, done00:57
+danny_mkcomments should be eliminated now00:57
+danny_mkso, do I always do a git push origin selenium to update my selenium branch instead of my master branch?00:58
@scrottie'git push' by default pushes all of the branches that it can to origin00:58
@scrottiewhere 'all of them that it can' means all of them that don't have commits pushed them that you haven't pulled down yet00:58
@scrottieso usually 'git push' is fine.  but 'git push origin selenium' in this case would be more explicit.00:59
+danny_mkOK, hmmm.... I forgot to put 'run perl test.pl' in the README01:02
+danny_mkOH well, have to do that now01:02
@scrottieheh.  on that topic, one other note... 01:03
@scrottieit's good not to be in too big of a hurry to push.01:03
@scrottieyou can rework your commits before you push, but once you push, it's hard to clean up commits.01:03
@scrottienot a big deal.  ask me later about how to clean up commits if you find that you're getting ready to push stuff and you have too many little commits.01:04
CIA-69webgui: Daniel Maldonado master * rb5b8f96 / (9 files in 2 dirs): Adding frameless tests to get around WebGUI/Selenium frame issue (may be a temporary solution) - http://git.io/87mS3g01:05
CIA-69webgui: Daniel Maldonado master * rcacc744 / selenium/README : Fix test URL - http://git.io/-cmvyw01:05
CIA-69webgui: Daniel Maldonado master * ra9037d6 / (selenium/README selenium/login.html selenium/test.pl): Using the Selenium server instead of the Selelium IDE - http://git.io/R2uIvA01:05
CIA-69webgui: Daniel Maldonado master * rf4aacb9 / selenium/README : Eliminated irc comments - http://git.io/VcIVIQ01:05
@scrottieor ask haarg.  haarg does know his stuff better than I do, as usual.01:05
@scrottiea lot of people will just plan to make a lot of little commits as they go then merge them into one big commit later.01:06
@scrottieI never got in that habit.  probably should.01:07
+danny_mkI do way too many commits but I tend to forget stuff so it is habit, I better be safe than sorry01:07
@scrottieno, that's a good way to work.  and git does let you clean them up after the fact.01:08
+danny_mkwell, I definitely will need to learn that later.01:08
+danny_mkOK, I have to go now, my teenagers are waiting to be transported to fireworks, will catch up with you guys later this week.  I should be on Thursday for critisizm/comments01:08
@scrottielater danny_mk!  have a good 4th.01:09
@scrottieI'll be interested to hear about the bugs you found.01:09
+danny_mkby the way scrottie, if you run those tests you will see the bugs in ...01:09
@scrottieheh.  I guess I should do that shouldn't I.01:09
@scrottiein that case, nice work.01:10
@scrottiedanny_mk++ # writing tests that expose bugs01:10
+danny_mklet me get back to you on that, have to make sure the tests are right (hmmm)01:11
+danny_mklord if I keep on typing I will never leave...01:12
@scrottieget outta here!  cheers.01:12
+danny_mklater... have a good 4th everyone...01:12
+danny_mkbye01:12
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+danny_mkgood day16:17
+danny_mkscrottie:  to bring my branch up to date with any changes you may have made I only have to run "git pull origin selenium"  right?16:18
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@scrottiemornin' danny_mk17:11
@scrottie'origin selenium' is your 'selenium' branch on your github fork of the plainblack webgui repo17:12
@scrottie'git pull https://github.com/plainblack/webgui master'   while you have the selenium branch checked out would pull changes from the plainblack webgui repo's master branch into your selenium branch17:13
@scrottieusually people do sub projects in branches and then merge them back into master, so you at some point would probably do 'git checkout master' then 'git merge selenium' to merge everything in the selenium branch into master17:15
+danny_mkOK, I am hoping to get the frame stuff worked out today and tomorrow to add more tests17:16
@scrottiegit merge between branches (I'm a bit fuzzy on this) leaves you with one commit in the log even if it merged a whole bunch of commits, so details of the individual commits are lost.  'git rebase' preserves all of the individual commits.  the docs say that 'git merge' is what 'git pull' does, so I'm confused.17:17
@scrottieyay.17:18
+danny_mkYOUR CONFUSED?  I am hoping I don't muck this up when I am ready17:18
@scrottieheh17:19
+danny_mkOK, back to work, if I run across any issues I will let you know17:20
@scrottiewell, then, do what I do:  'git log' often and cut and paste the commit hashes into another file.  I keep a notes file for projects that I work on that I cut and paste to/from heavily.  I keep one-off queries in it, useful output, code fragments, lists of templates I'm working on, etc, and I also leave commit messages with commit hashes in there.17:20
+danny_mkOK17:20
@scrottiethen if I get really confused, I can use those to get a handle on that work17:20
@scrottieagain with the tree metaphore... if you grab any leaf on a tree, you have a handle on the whole tree.17:20
@scrottieeach commit hash is like a leaf.17:21
@scrottiein git terms, it represents everything between the trunk of the tree and that leaf.  thing along the way is another commit.17:21
@scrottiethose all all of the commits that are in the project as it currently stands after the commit was made that gave you that commit hash. 17:21
@scrottieif you have that commit hash, you have everything in your project at that moment in time.17:22
@scrottiethat leaf is 'HEAD'.17:22
@scrottieif you check out another branch, or do a merge, or rebase, or reset or merge conflicts, you'll wind up with a different 'HEAD' that represents a different leaf on the tree17:22
@scrottie'git reflog' is a log of times when 'HEAD' changes for any reason:  you commited something else to a branch; you checked out another branch; you merged; etc17:23
@scrottiethat's also useful for getting a handle on work you did before that is a bit misplaced17:23
@scrottiethen when in serious doubt, you can 'git checkout <branch>', 'git reste --hard <whatever commit hash you want to go back to>', then start 'git cherry-picking <commit hash>'ing on each commit you want back again relative to that point17:24
@scrottielike I made you do the other day17:24
@scrottieokay, I shut up now.17:24
+danny_mkhmmm... you make it sound simple17:25
@scrottiegit is a PITA to learn, but it *does* (mostly) make sense.17:25
@scrottieunderstanding what things are (HEAD, commit hashes) helps make sense of all of it.17:25
+danny_mkmy biggest hurdle seems to be understanding the difference between my local repo, my github branch and the plainblack->selenium branch17:25
+danny_mkI know when I commit I am doing commits to my local repo17:26
+danny_mkwhen I do a git push, I am pushing/updating my github repo17:26
@scrottieeach branch is kind of like its own repo, except that it's really easy to move things between branches17:26
@scrottieand 'git reflog' keeps track of changes to what 'HEAD' currently is across your entire local repo, not just on any branch of it17:27
@scrottieso it's useful to think in terms of branches17:27
@scrottiewhich commits are in which branches17:27
@scrottieand that's the most significant difference between your selenium branch and the plainblack master branch... which commits are in each17:28
@scrottieoften, you'll have some that the plainblack master one doesn't, and it'll have some that you don't, and that's okay17:28
+danny_mkOK17:29
@scrottielooking for one example17:30
@scrottiedon't see how to do this without editing your .git/config17:32
+danny_mkdon't worry about it, when I get ready to update the remote repo with my changes I will contact you17:33
+danny_mkmy local repo is up to date17:33
@scrottiehere's a good way to see the exact differences between two branches...17:33
@scrottiegit log selenium..master17:33
@scrottiegit log master..selenium17:33
@scrottiethe first one shows you the commits that the master branch has that the selenium branch doesn't (yet)17:34
@scrottieyou could merge, rebase, or cherry-pick those in17:34
@scrottiethe second shows you the commits that the selenium branch has that the master branch doesn't (yet)17:34
@scrottieyou can also do:  git log master..origin/master17:35
@scrottieto figure out what origin/master has that you don't have yet in your local copy of the master branch17:35
@scrottiefor example17:35
@scrottie.git/config tells you what 'origin' is... and you can add other "remotes" there, too.  you could add a "plainblack" remote, if you wanted to.17:36
@scrottieorigin for me is git@github.com:/plainblack/webgui.  for you, it is probably git@github.com:/dannkmk/webgui17:36
@scrottiethat's a good way to figure out what a merge or rebase or pull or push is going to do, before you actually attempt it.17:37
+danny_mkyup, my origin is set to:   url = ssh://git@github.com/dannymk/webgui.git17:37
@scrottieif you put another entry in there for plainblack, you could do    git log selenium..plainblack/master17:40
@scrottie'git diff' works like 'git log' but shows you the changes to the files in addition to just the commit message17:40
+danny_mkOK17:41
haargyou can also use git log -p if you want the normal log behavior, but with the changes18:02
haarggit remote -v will tell you the remote config if you don't want to go into the config file itself18:03
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+danny_mksbaur:  good day, selenium question of the day:  Is there a way to test Ifram/Frame verifyElementPresent?18:16
+danny_mkeverything I read/find seems to point to using the WebDriver to write the tests.  I was hoping to use the IDE but that seems limited.18:17
sbaurI haven't had to do that so I'm not sure.18:17
sbaurI haven't moved beyond the IDE, so cannot help with the webdriver.18:17
+danny_mkthere is a Perl module that would definitely do it:  Selenium::Remote::Driver  but I would have to write all those tests manually instead of using the IDE, the IDE is very convinient18:18
+danny_mkOK18:18
sbauryou can do something like assertElementPresent //div[@id='panel3']/div[2]/div/ul/li[2]18:19
sbaurif you can find it in the dom...18:19
sbaurbut it isn't specifically for iframes18:20
+danny_mkright18:20
+danny_mkI guess I will test without the frames for now18:20
sbaurgood luck18:20
+danny_mkthanks18:20
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+danny_mkscrottie:  OK, ready for my first commit of the day19:25
@scrottiedanny_mk, any quesiton in particular?19:56
+danny_mkwell, I just want to walk through it one time with you just to make sure I do it right20:05
+danny_mkif you have time20:05
@scrottiecommit something?20:06
@scrottiegit add <whatever>, git commit20:06
+danny_mkhttp://pastebin.com/C7MWuaSq20:07
@scrottieyou were committing changes before.  that doesn't change.20:10
+danny_mkOK20:10
+danny_mkOK, changes commited20:12
@scrottiehttp://gitready.com/advanced/2009/02/10/squashing-commits-with-rebase.html ... that's one way to merge multiple commits together, if you've made a lot of smaller commits but want to bundle up that work into one larger commit20:15
+danny_mkOK, I will keep a note for next time.  Made many changes but just one commit20:16
+danny_mknow, do I push my changes to my github repo?20:20
@scrottieyup.  'git push' should do that.   you should get message about 'selenium -> selenium' in addition to messages for other branches you have20:22
+danny_mk   4335a6d..4ecadc6  selenium -> selenium20:24
+danny_mkdone?20:24
@scrottieyup, that pushed.  then at some point, get my attention and have me merge that into the plainblack repo.20:24
@scrottieand whatever other patches should go.20:25
+danny_mkOK, will do20:26
+danny_mkthank you20:26
@scrottiesure thing.  thank you!20:26
haarganother option for squashing a merge is git merge --squash.  i generally don't do that though; if i'm squashing commits i use rebase -i to have full control.20:50
haarglike most things in git, there are 5 different workflows to choose from20:51
+danny_mkgotit20:54
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CIA-69webgui: Scott Walters master * r55aead8 / (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Config::JSON stopped providing a BUILDARGS method, so we can't "around" it. subclass new() the old fashioned way and bump the Config::JSON version dep so we know we're getting the non-Moose one. - http://git.io/q9f2dQ10:49
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/2973558 ... an attempt at a webgui installer.  needs more testing, support for CentOS/RedHat, and it needs to be FatPacker-ed up so it can be ran straight away10:59
@scrottieit's missing some things from the WRE setup still too.11:00
ckotilinteresting16:05
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ckotilIs it possible to only display the search engine friendly URL?17:29
ckotiltoo often , /uploads/94/67/9467a , these URLs get spread around, and people complain when they are out of date17:29
xdangeryou can use the streaming uploads, but that's only for File assets and I don't know if the "ui" side of it is working.17:34
ckotilIll try it. I see the option in my webgui.conf17:43
ckotilthanks for the info xdanger17:46
ckotilim seeing something wierd. streamingUploads is disabled on my dev and production site. yet the dev site doesn't redirect u to /uploads/94/67/9467a like the production site does17:53
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@scrottieselect value from settings where name='enableStreamingUploads' ..19:45
@scrottieI'm not sure how that *works*.  it doesn't seem to do anything other than set a value.19:47
ckotilthat name field doesn't exist in the dev or production.19:48
@scrottiemight be worth a try (setting it) but I really don't see how this feature works19:49
ckotilheh. k. ill try it19:49
@scrottieand no idea on your dev machine19:49
@scrottieApache handling redirects internally...? but that wouldn't happen in the request phase.19:50
ckotilim doing apache proxying between vhosts/multiple domains19:50
ckotilthe dev and production both do it.19:51
ckotilcompletely separate tho.19:51
ckotilyeah, setting that did nothing.19:54
ckotiloh well. not a huge deal.19:54
@scrottiewell, if you care about the feature and it isn't working, it may be worth opening a ticket for20:08
ckotilok, ill make a personal note, and try to spend some time on it. then ill open a ticket20:49
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@scrottiedanny_mk!  howdy.21:02
+danny_mkhey21:03
+danny_mkwhats up?21:03
CIA-69webgui: Scott Walters master * r560e722 / (lib/WebGUI/Config.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl): 21:05
CIA-69webgui: Revert "Config::JSON stopped providing a BUILDARGS method, so we can't "around"21:05
CIA-69webgui: it. subclass new() the old fashioned way and bump the Config::JSON version dep21:05
CIA-69webgui: so we know we're getting the non-Moose one." - http://git.io/7zjWDg21:05
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/2973558 ... preliminary version of my installer.  I chickened out on doing everything automatically and added a Curses UI.21:05
@scrottiehaven't actually tested on a new, bare Debian system yet.21:06
@scrottiestole heavily from xdanger's installer .sh, perlDreamer's WRE scripts, my install instructions, etc21:06
haargi'm tempted to convert Config::JSON to use Moo or something21:06
haargi probably would if i was still actively working on wgdev21:07
@scrottiemy Moose is very sick.21:07
@scrottieI think I'm experiencing Early Adopter Poison.21:07
@scrottieI had the same thing with Google Apps.  I beta-tested "Google for your Domain" probably ten years and completely messed up all of my related Google accounts indefinately afterewards.21:08
+danny_mkI get bitten by the bug often :-/21:09
+danny_mks/the/that/21:09
@scrottiefind /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl | wc -l # 25515 ... lots of room for a long forgotten bad version of some undelcared dep of a dep of a dep to hide21:09
haargi don't generally have any issues with Moose, but it's really painful on the command line21:10
@scrottieI hate Moose because I spend large number of hours dealing with it and I don't even use it myself, and this long ago created a vicious cycle where I don't use it because I don't use it and I spend time cleaning up after it.21:12
@scrottieit's like picking up bottles and cans off of your yard when you don't even drink.  it just makes you even more so not want to drink.21:13
@scrottiethe situation has changed from years ago when Moose merely had an abysmal chance of successful installation according to CPAN and I'd have to fight with it for hours if I wanted to use something that used it on one of the sparcs or on a BSD machine, but it still *feels* like the same thing.21:13
@scrottieI wouldn't even care that they built a slow object around glob replacement and wrapping if it worked right.21:14
@scrottieevery generation of programmers develops some obsessive, highly technology specific, cargo-cult-ish notion of what software quality is and abandons all sense in persuit of it.21:15
* scrottie ran out of milk and had his espresso straight up this morning21:16
@scrottiethere have been some hard-to-diagnose bugs in wG8 as a result of someone having some specific version of Class::MOP.  supporting *Moose* isn't that bad; supporting all of the Mooses out there gets to be a bit like trying to support Android.21:19
+danny_mkscrottie:  on a hopefully posstitive note most tests are coming, I just have to figure our how to delete a metadata property after adding it 21:23
@scrottieyay21:24
+danny_mkI mean things like that which are not referenced by a specific attribute id or css class21:24
+danny_mkI figure the tests should definitely add a property->check to make sure the property is there->delete the property21:25
+danny_mkcheck to make sure the property is not there21:25
+danny_mkstuff like that21:25
@scrottieI have no idea!  which property?  why would you want to delete a property?21:26
+danny_mkNO21:27
@scrottie??21:27
+danny_mklike under:  ?func=manageMetaData21:28
@scrottieooh, not an HTML/CSS property in the source of the document, but a WebGUI metadata property21:28
+danny_mkadding a new metadata item21:28
+danny_mkthen deleting it21:28
+danny_mkthe same with advertising/databases/etc...21:29
+danny_mkhave to test functionality21:29
@scrottieahhh.21:31
+danny_mkif there is only one clickable image on the page it is easy but under content filters we have a table->tr->td...21:32
+danny_mkI would have to iterate over all the rows in the table and test for my "search for" term...21:33
@scrottieJS UIs.  eek.21:43
@scrottiethat worst part is that you can only test implementation.21:43
+danny_mknot sure how and even if it is worth the effort to do this reliably21:59
@scrottieprobably not.21:59
+danny_mkmaybe just test to make sure I can add items, not so much delete them where I can't22:00
+danny_mkwell, were I can't do it the same way every time22:00
+danny_mkI will have to make a note of those tests22:02
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CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * ra3f5b3a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Friends.pm): Handle the case when a friend approve message no longer exist. - http://git.io/JnUNsQ02:12
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+danny_mkquick quetion:  At a WUC a while ago someone asked about dynamically loading/configuring modules (Macros/WObjects).  Is the community looking into this?  It is undesirable to have to restart apache every time we load a new module or make configuration changes.22:05
@scrottieYeah, I think dynamic configuration would be a big improvement over storing configuration in the config file.22:09
@scrottieif there's a module there, use it22:09
+danny_mkright, so no one has talked about it?22:10
@scrottiehrm?  shouldn't be too hard.22:12
@scrottiepatches welcome.22:12
+danny_mkI hope not because that would be an excellent feature22:12
@scrottieone of my goals is to modularize WebGUI so I can put it on CPAN.22:13
@scrottiethat fits in well with that.22:13
+danny_mkYou mean so that we can have an interface and the user that is running the WebGUI instance go to cpan and install a local copy of the module?22:14
+danny_mkTHAT WOULD BE GREAT!22:14
@scrottieit would be dumb to install WebGUI from CPAN, then if you wanted the Survey asset (if it didn't come with for some reason), have to do cpanm WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Survey (the Wobject should go too but that's another discussion) and then have to edit your config file or have your WEBGUI_CONFIG environment variable set so that the Makefile.PL in the CPAN module knows how to do upgrades.22:14
@scrottielocal copies of modules would make probes harder... that would call for some kind of a manifest list of installed modules, which puts us back where were are22:15
@scrottiebasically22:15
@scrottiehrm.  or maybe not.22:15
@scrottiethere's preload.custom right now.22:15
@scrottiethat should go away in favor of scanning @INC.22:15
@scrottieif you did plackup -I/my/webgui/lib app.psgi, then WebGUI would find any modules in /my/webgui/lib while scanning @INC22:16
+danny_mkwell, you have my vote if you want to tackle that.  22:16
@scrottieit would just have to recognize them as WebGUI modules.  so they'd have to start with "WebGUI::".22:16
@scrottiepost an RFE on webgui.org/8 ;)22:16
@scrottieI'll comment on it.22:16
+danny_mksure, we should have an install->enable option22:16
@scrottieI've got a command line ticket filer in a gist somewhere too.  I really should add that to WebGUI's sbin.22:17
+danny_mkOK22:17
@scrottiea bot that opens tickets would be nice too 22:17
+danny_mkThere is no:  http://www.webgui.org/8/rfe/  you mean http://www.webgui.org/rfe/, right?22:19
+danny_mkthen select WebGUI beta22:20
+danny_mkright???22:21
@scrottieugh.  those two trackers need to be reconciled.22:23
@scrottiemaybe just put it at webgui.org/8 ?  22:23
@scrottiethat's the one I pay attention to22:23
@scrottieperlDreamer pays attention to the other one, fixing bugs in 722:23
@scrottiemaybe the "beta" option for webgui.org/ref needs to go away22:24
+danny_mkOK22:25
@scrottieafk a few.  grocery run.22:43
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CIA-69webgui: Martin Kamerbeek plebgui-7.10 * rb1bb15e / (12 files in 6 dirs): Merge branch 'plebgui' into plebgui-7.10 - http://git.io/QRHjnQ15:50
CIA-69webgui: Martin Kamerbeek plebgui-7.10 * r544a62d / (5 files in 5 dirs): Fix a number of issues that arise when mod_perl is not installed. - http://git.io/MezNkg15:50
CIA-69webgui: Martin Kamerbeek plebgui-7.10 * r476ddbd / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Make Apache2::request optional and add a dependency for PLack to testEnvironment - http://git.io/aHuXqg15:50
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@scrottiepatspam.20:25
@scrottiecheers.20:25
ckotilhttp://www.rollingstones.com/webgui20:27
@scrottieWordPress?20:30
@scrottieURL is 404...?20:30
ckotilyeah, but look closer20:32
ckotillisten rather20:33
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+patspamscrottie: *tips hat*22:37
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MarkLeightonFis1It also works for http://www.rollingstones.com/joomla! ...23:27
ckotiland www.rollingstones.com/i_hate_updating_joomla_every_month23:33
MarkLeightonFis1and on and on into the night ...23:35
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+SynQhi there01:13
+SynQis webgui8 existing or none existing?01:13
+SynQjust so that I don't look in the wrong place for it :)01:14
@scrottieheh01:20
@scrottiewebgui8 exists01:20
@scrottiethe place to get it is http://github.com/plainblack/webgui01:21
@scrottieif you do 'git clone' on the clone URL it gives you, you'll get a copy of it01:21
@scrottiethe install process is kind of a pain, and there are still bugs in it (especially in the admin interface; the API is pretty well tested at this pint)01:22
@scrottieI'm working on an installer for it01:22
@scrottieWebGUI7 is still considered to be the "stable" version.  if you're non-technical or don't want to spend time reporting bugs (or fixing them), you should use 7.01:22
+SynQhehe01:37
+SynQI guess I don't fall under the non-technical denominator :)01:38
+SynQI have heared say that I'm <quote>very competent</quote> :P01:39
+SynQgood to know that it exists though01:41
+SynQI'll ask martink what to do about it then :)01:42
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CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rd7b0468 / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : No indirect object syntax. - http://git.io/F7Mw2A18:59
@scrottieyarr.21:21
CIA-69wgdev: Mark Leighton Fisher master * r0d53d61 / lib/WGDev/Command/Ls.pm : Added '-d' option to list only the specified Asset(s) (similar to '-d' in ls(1)). - http://git.io/IKbEUw21:54
CIA-69wgdev: Mark Leighton Fisher master * r94018b6 / (lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm lib/WGDev/X.pm): Added "--delete userId [userId ...]" option to the "user" command - http://git.io/cUOHZw21:54
CIA-69wgdev: Graham Knop master * r20bccdc / Changes : v0.1207160 - http://git.io/8ZAk2w21:54
CIA-69wgdev: Mark Leighton Fisher user-delete-ls-dash-d * r378137d / (lib/WGDev/Command/User.pm lib/WGDev/X.pm): Added "--delete userId [userId ...]" option to the "user" command - http://git.io/kI0ixg21:54
CIA-69wgdev: --global user-delete-ls-dash-d * r55ada55 / (README lib/WGDev/Command/Batchedit.pm): Added Command/Batchedit.pm and updated the README for me as a contributor. - http://git.io/QWwpUw21:54
CIA-69wgdev: Mark Leighton Fisher user-delete-ls-dash-d * ra7c470d / lib/WGDev/Command/Ls.pm : Added '-d' option to list only the specified Asset(s) (similar to '-d' in ls(1)). - http://git.io/5Zqx7Q21:54
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sbaurscrottie or daviddelikat: I've got a strange thing happening on one of my 7.5.40 sites18:29
@daviddelikathmm, we never see strange things...18:30
@daviddelikatwhat's up?18:30
sbaurA content manager added to files yesterday. Today, when trying to access those files through the url (not the uploads path) they are giving 40418:30
sbaurI found them in the uploads folder, used the storageid to get their assetids and there are no other revisions of those files and no other urls associated with them18:31
sbaurIf I'm not logged in, it says you need to be logged in to view them18:31
sbaurif i am logged in (as admin) I get a 40418:31
@daviddelikattry adding  ?func=edit   to the url18:31
sbaurs/to/two/18:31
sbaurthat brings up the edit file18:32
sbaurand it's set to Everyone can view18:32
@daviddelikatso you can see the file in the edit form?18:32
sbaurit says it's there...18:32
sbaurand the link is to the correct place in the uploads dir18:33
@daviddelikat... thinking...18:33
@daviddelikatcan I take a look at them?18:34
sbaursure, let me see if I have a wg account for this site...18:34
@daviddelikatwould it make sence to open a ticket for this?18:34
sbaurIt's on my own server, not a pb server...18:35
@daviddelikatah18:35
sbaurI'm going to try something first (adding something to the summary and re saving the file) Let it try to fix itself18:35
@daviddelikatok18:36
sbaurwell, that didn't work18:37
sbaurAnd, I can't see the file in the assetmanager18:38
sbaurcould mixed up lineage cause this18:39
@daviddelikatlineage could cause the asset manager issue18:40
@daviddelikatnot sure about the 404 issue18:40
@daviddelikattry clearing the cache18:41
sbauras fyi, when I saved the metadata, it did do what it was supposed to as far as I can tell, created a new revision, with a new storageId18:41
@daviddelikatyou may need to clear browser cache also18:42
* sbaur clearing caches18:42
sbaurmy browser cache is unhappy, though that wouldn't explain 3 different computers having the same symptoms18:43
@daviddelikattrue18:43
sbaurcache's did not make a difference18:43
@daviddelikatany chance there is a permission or ownership issue with the physical file?18:43
* sbaur tries windows trick of restarting spectre/web18:44
sbaurowned by webgui in the uploads dir18:44
@daviddelikatanother bit to check:  there may a .wgaccess file in the directory, check and see what it says18:44
sbaurno wgaccess  files18:45
sbaurI think I'm going to try running the rebuild lineage script...18:46
sbaurone other datapoint, my content editor "swears" it worked yesterday after she uploaded these files. It only stopped working this morning18:46
* sbaur backing up site now...18:50
@daviddelikatI can't think of anything else without looking18:53
sbaurlineage rebuild doesn't seem to have helped...19:01
@daviddelikatdoes it show up in the asset manager?19:01
sbaurI need to step away from my comp for a bit. I'll look into it again in a few min.19:01
sbaurIf I'm at the file's page and add ?op=assetManager it shows up(with no records found). But if I click the breadcrumbs to go up one level, it is not there19:02
sbaurbbiab19:03
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sbaurI'm back19:51
sbaurOK, something is really funky with these files. I just tried uploading them a second time, this time into the Media folder using filepile, and they do not show up.19:52
sbaur(in the asset manager)19:52
sbaurok, if I do them singly, they show up. they are both PDFs. so strange19:54
sbaurNow that I've deleted the files, they show up in the trash just fine...20:05
sbaurSo strange. I've worked around the problem for now, but I don't know what process caused them to go wonky last night...20:09
sbaurmaybe I'll run the daily workflow by hand20:09
@scrottiedo the wG demo and try to replicate it there?  if it's still happening, open a bug ticket?20:10
@scrottieer, still happening in a newer version of wG.20:11
sbauri don't know if i can even replicate it on my system20:11
sbaurit is just wonky20:11
@scrottieah, thought it meant that it reliably gave 404s trying to view them if you uploaded two pdfs at once20:11
sbaurrunning the daily workflow did not cause my new copies of the files to disappear20:11
sbauroh, that bit. I will uploading two pdfs. But I did not get 404s from that, It just didn't upload them at all20:12
sbaurs/will/will try/20:12
sbaurI'll let you know tomorrow or next week or next month, if the individually uploaded files disappear out of the asset manager, but are still in the DB and the uploads directory again, assuming it ever happens again20:13
@scrottie"ok, if I do them singly, they show up. they are both PDFs. so strange"20:14
@scrottiealright, good luck!20:15
sbaurlook back about an hour and 45 min for my original problem...20:15
@scrottieI think the correct thing to do, from a support perspective, would be to read through the change log, identify any bug fixes that may be related...20:16
sbaurI cannot duplicate the uploading two pdfs, does not upload anything problem on demo20:19
* sbaur hopes this strange behavior is not just the first sign of serious problems20:20
@scrottiesbaur, please keep good backups.  there are any number of disasters that can strike... comprimised accounts, hardware failures, database corruption, etc.20:22
sbaurbacks up every day, and those backups get copied to a different server everyday...20:22
sbaurbarring fire/or other things that take out my whole rack, I should be ok...20:22
@scrottiegood.  that and your upload files, and you should be mostly disaster proof.20:22
* scrottie nods20:23
@scrottieI have a script somewhere that exports wgpkgs of every asset that was edited since a given date20:23
sbaurthat could be most useful...20:23
@scrottieyou're welcome to a copy.  (I really should do something with all of these one-offs).  it seems like that could help make for an easy incremental backup setup.20:24
sbaurare packages compatible between versions? i.e. would a package taken from a 7.5.x site be importable into a 7.10.x site?20:25
@scrottiea fresh 7.5 might not exhibit that problem either.  it may be a sort of database corruption.  still, if it's easily reproduceable, we wanna fix it.20:25
@scrottiein general, no.20:26
@scrottiethere's no single major incompatability, just thousands of small changes20:26
sbaurdarn, i was hoping for a way to get around stop versions...20:26
@scrottiethe upgrade scripts really are necessary.20:26
@scrottiehrm.  App::Nopaste really works on and off with gist, and I love gist, and I don't know what the details are with the other services.20:31
@scrottieand right now, for me, it's off.20:32
haargi think App::Nopaste still uses the old API, which they have been moving away from and might be gone now20:32
@scrottiesbaur, there's that script, in case it is useful:  http://pastie.org/427287520:32
haargor actually it looks like it's been updated for the new api20:33
@scrottiehaarg, supposedly the latest version changes to the new API, but it just fails in a different way for me.  hopefully it fails the same way for someone else so they can report the bug for me so that Shaun can fix it for me without me having to do anything except try to upgrade the thing every time I go to use it and it doesn't work.20:33
* scrottie nods20:33
@scrottiecouple of days ago20:33
@scrottieI should just add that to my daily cron... cpanm App::Nopaste20:33
@scrottiehaha, what am I talking about.  I don't run cron.20:34
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* scrottie waves hello to danny_mk20:38
+danny_mkscrottie:  hey, how are you.20:39
@scrottiea bit strung out on code20:40
@scrottieICFP contest last weekend, then straight back into work20:40
@scrottieyourself?20:40
+danny_mkLOL, I bet20:40
+danny_mktrying to get everything done at work, lots of Java stuff but eager to complete most of the WebGUI tests to move forward as I am anxiously waiting WebGUI8 prime so I can use WebGUI on some of my other projects20:41
+danny_mkMy boss is not here today so I will be able to write more tests20:42
+danny_mk:-/20:42
+danny_mkby teh way what is the ICFP?20:48
@scrottiew00t20:48
@scrottiehttp://icfpcontest2012.wordpress.com/20:49
@scrottieit's part of a conference for functional programming languages (Ocaml, Haskell, Lisp, etc), designed to show off the advantages of functional programming languages.  Haskell and Ocaml implementations tend to win.  this year, the challenge was to implement a solver for Boulderdash-like puzzles.  I did it in SNOBOL ;)20:50
+danny_mkLord have mercy, you have time for that stuff?  Good for you.  How do you think you did?20:51
@scrottieintermediate.  I worked Friday and then had a friends going away party Friday evening which meant that I wasn't functional until late in the morning on Saturday, then I went to bed at 5am Sunday night when the contest ran until something like 7am, my time, so I didn't spend nearly as much time on it as I could have.20:54
@scrottieone friend took Friday off.20:55
@scrottieI also slept a number of hours Sat night.  a few years ago, friends got together and we slept very little and worked the whole time.20:55
@scrottieer, worked over the duration of the contest.20:56
@scrottiegoing into a meeting in a minute here, probably...20:56
@scrottieI probably should have been working on the installer instead, and now breakage has been discovered...20:56
+danny_mkLOL20:58
+danny_mkthat made me laugh20:58
+danny_mksorry20:59
+danny_mkGood for you, kind of hard to stay focused some times heh?20:59
@scrottiehttps://gist.github.com/3113445 if you're curious.  a more serious stab at it would need a more serious strategy and probably some good AI.21:00
@scrottieyeah.  just not enough time for everything.21:00
+danny_mkI have an application that I have been wanting to work on for two years now and I have only written about 50 lines of code.21:05
+danny_mkdefinitely just not enough time21:05
sbaurThanks for the script scrotitie!21:08
+danny_mkscrottie:  good job21:12
CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r6ca603e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/AssetReportQuery.pm): Let the AssetReport asset search over all wobjects. - http://git.io/gIQ4gg21:28
@scrottiesbaur, sure thing21:33
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+danny_mkscrottie:  got a lot done today, will talk about a commit tomorrow after I fix a few issues01:02
+danny_mkhave a good night01:02
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vanjwilsonDoes anyone know if you can call a WebGUI macro in the "Extra <head> tags"?16:49
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ckotilI think so.17:35
+danny_mkscrottie:  ready for another comit17:40
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vanjwilsonDon't know if anyone answered by question about Macros in "extra <head> tags"--(Ubuntu 12.04 crashed again)--but I found instances where I had used them that way before, so I think it must be something wrong with my new macro18:01
+danny_mkvanjwilson:  my boss just called me for a meeting, should not last long.  I can do it in my local env test and let you know.18:02
+danny_mkbrb18:02
vanjwilsonthanks danny_mk, but it was a wetware error (I forgot to use JSON at the top of an included custom module, but it didn't throw an error with perl -c, or in the logs)18:24
+danny_mkvanjwilson: glad you got it working.19:04
+danny_mkscrottie: I am ready for another push to ???19:05
+danny_mkbrb19:16
@scrottiea'ight, let me do my email and get some coffee in me (not in that order)19:54
+danny_mkscrottie:  back from my lunch walk20:22
@scrottieI'm kind of here, mostly.20:23
+danny_mkok, I have committed my chances to my local copy20:23
+danny_mkhave not pushed them to: github.com/dannymk/webgui.git20:23
@scrottielet's see.  what were we doing before?  I think you only need to commit stuff and push it up and tell me you did it.20:23
@scrottiebut I offered to help merge patches if you wanted to.  but that's up to you.  I could do that after pulling your changes also.20:24
+danny_mkIt would be great if I could just push changes to my selenium branch at: github.com/dannymk/webgui.git20:25
+danny_mkand you could get them from there20:25
+danny_mkpull20:25
@scrottieyup!20:25
@scrottieanother thing you can do is use github to send a "pull request"20:25
@scrottiethat generates an email with a link to a page with a button on it.  that way, everyone here sees the proposed change, and anyone can just click the button to add the change.20:26
+danny_mkI did, not sure my last one was "pulled"?20:26
@scrottiehmm?  didn't see the github email.20:26
+danny_mknot really sure how that works20:26
+danny_mkI have an OpenId pull request20:26
@scrottieand I think it only does individual commits that way.  you can't send a github branch merge request, as far as I know.20:26
@scrottieoh.20:26
@scrottielet me see20:26
+danny_mkmaybe I should have made an AlternateId branch20:27
@scrottiesome of these tasks require reading English, something I'm not necessarily up to before noon.20:28
@scrottie"Oauth2 and OpenId modules"20:28
+danny_mkyup20:28
+danny_mkthat has nothing to do with Selenium20:29
@scrottiefor some reason, there are 8 pull requests20:29
@scrottiedon't know why I didn't see *any* of those emails20:29
+danny_mkHmmm... I thought I only did one20:29
+danny_mkoh well20:29
@scrottiethe rest of daviddelikat, who could accept his own pull requests... but maybe he wants code review...?20:30
@scrottieer, the rest are from20:30
@scrottiedelikat, what's up with those pull requests?20:30
@daviddelikathmmm, going to have to read a few back posts...20:30
@scrottiehttps://github.com/plainblack/webgui/pulls20:30
@daviddelikatoye20:32
@daviddelikatI though Colin had taken care of those...20:32
@scrottieand apparently I was wrong.  your oath pull request has several commits to it.20:32
@daviddelikatas far as I knwo you can ignore all of my pull requests20:34
@daviddelikatthough you should probably not delete them20:34
+danny_mkIf I push my selenium branch to:  https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/selenium can you pickup the changes from there or do I have to do it some other way?20:35
@scrottiesome jpgs and Selenium stuff made it into the pull request... and a .swf... I'm going to deny that pull request (if I can figure out how) but I can see about reworking it.  one other thing though, before I add this, it needs tests.  I can help with that (or try to).20:37
@scrottieyup, re pushing your selenium branch20:37
@scrottieyou should be able to 'git push origin selenium'20:37
@scrottieto do that20:37
+danny_mkI feel I should create a separate branch for my OpenId/OAuth stuff20:37
+danny_mklet me push this selenium stuff up first20:37
@scrottiesure20:38
@scrottiealso, was the OAuth stuff written for 7?20:38
+danny_mkIt should work for both 7-820:38
@scrottiehrm.  the Auth:: API changed in 8.  have you tried it in 8?20:39
+danny_mknope, but I will right after this stuff20:39
@scrottieand there was the whole Moose-ification thing20:39
+danny_mkOK, changes pushed to: https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/selenium/selenium20:41
+danny_mkhmmmm.... that does not look right20:42
@scrottie7 is in feature freeze.  no new features, just bug fixes.  that doesn't mean that things can't go on the Bazaar, but if I merge this in, it's merging into 8.20:42
+danny_mkOK, I will package it for the bazaar20:42
+danny_mkI should also create a local AlternateId branch20:43
+danny_mkI updated my master branch with the OpenId stuff20:43
+danny_mkscrottie:  hopefully a quick question.  How do I remove my OpenId/Oauth2 commits to my github master repo so that I can create a AlternateId branch with those changes?20:48
@scrottieI think it should go into wG8, too.  but I think the code will effectively have to be forked to do it.20:48
@scrottieyou're trying to put the oauth stuff into its own branch and take those commits out of master?20:49
+danny_mkyes20:49
@scrottiegit checkout matser; git branch oath; ... 20:50
@scrottieer, git checkout master; git branch oath20:50
+danny_mkdone20:51
@scrottieis there anything else in your master?  I'd be  tempted in that case to git reset --hard back to whatever HEAD is on the plainblack repo, after pulling from there20:51
@scrottiebut that'll orphan (hide) any and all changes made there, and you may not necessarily want them in the oauth branch20:51
+danny_mkno nothing else20:51
+danny_mkOK, let me see if I can do this20:53
@scrottiewell, do 'git log master' and cut and paste the topmost commit hash somewhere safe with a note about that being the HEAD of the master branch before scrottie made you blow it away20:53
+danny_mkgit branch...20:53
+danny_mk* altid20:53
+danny_mk  master20:53
+danny_mk  selenium20:53
+danny_mkthose are my three local branches20:54
@scrottiethen...:  git checkout master; git pull https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git; git reset --hard 560e7228fce8eed107c81774eb264ddfec3000ba20:56
+danny_mkdone20:57
@scrottiealright.  then, in the future, you'll probably want to pull from the plainblack repo into the master branch.  but you won't need to or want to git reset --hard.20:58
+danny_mkOK, how do I update my github master branch with these changes?20:59
@scrottieif git sees that the stuff that you're pulling is a continuation of what you already have, it automatically advances 'HEAD' so that you wind with all of those changes in the files in the repo.20:59
+danny_mkI already pushed my selenium branch to github20:59
@scrottiejust git pull https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git20:59
@scrottiehandling other branches has some options.  if you pull into master like that, you can then merge those changes into other branches.  or if the work in other branches doesn't go on too long and you're not worried about dealing with conflicts or don't want to deal with potential conflicts, you can simply never merge or rebase master into your other branches.21:00
@scrottiejust let them exist as a snapshot in time of WebGUI plus your local changes.21:00
@scrottiebut when you make a new branch off of master, you probably want to start with a recent snapshot of the plainblack repo, so it makes sense to git pull https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git into master before you git fork21:01
+danny_mkOK, but the only place I did a git fork was at:  https://github.com/dannymk/webgui21:02
+danny_mkon my pc I did a git clone https://github.com/dannymk/webgui21:03
+danny_mkthen git branch altid21:03
+danny_mkgit checkout altid21:03
+danny_mk....21:03
+danny_mkgit push origin altid21:03
+danny_mkthat updates my github fork... right?21:03
@scrottieit should, yeah.  21:04
@scrottie"origin" almost certainly is https://github.com/dannymk/webgui21:04
+danny_mkgood21:04
@scrottieI don't see an 'altid' branch in https://github.com/dannymk/webgui/branches21:05
+danny_mknot yet, 21:05
+danny_mkhold on21:05
@scrottieah, okay21:05
@scrottieI'm going to check the garden and run rent money downstairs21:06
@scrottieback in a bit here21:06
+danny_mkOK, altid branch is there now21:07
+danny_mkwhat I need to do is get my master branch on github (https://github.com/dannymk/webgui) in sync with PB WebGUIs master branch21:08
@scrottiegit checkout master; git push --force origin master21:10
+danny_mkexcellent, thank you so much.  I made notes, hopefully the last time I ask you that question.21:12
+danny_mkmost of the tests on my selenium branch test the admin functions21:13
+danny_mkI am beginning work on the rest of the stuff, specifically the "New Content" functions21:14
+danny_mkShouldn't my master branch always stay in sync with PB WebGUI master branch?21:16
+danny_mkI mean my master branch on github21:16
@scrottienope, a fork of a repo is a separate repo.  you have to periodically pull from whatever "upstream" repo you want to stay in sync with.21:34
@scrottiethis can't exactly be completely automated because you might have conflicting changes that require a human to sort out21:35
@scrottieit *could* be completely automated if you never worked in your master branch, only forked from it, but github doesn't make the assumption that that's the case.21:35
+danny_mkyes, but there is no pull option in the github interface21:40
@scrottieI'm kind of surprised that it doesn't (if it doesn't?) let you pull from upstream when it's a "fast forward" (no local changes, only new changes from upstream)21:43
@scrottiebut you can do as haarg suggested before and add a name for plainblack's webgui repo, so you could say 'pull pb' then 'push' to update21:44
+danny_mkyou mean a name in the configuration file?  .git/config 21:46
@scrottie[remote "origin"] ... fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* ... url = git@github.com:/plainblack/webgui21:47
@scrottiethose things.  "remotes".21:47
haarggit remote add plainblack https://github.com/plainblack/webgui && git fetch plainblack21:47
@scrottieyou could add that one but rename it from "origin" to "pb"21:47
@scrottiethere.  or that.21:47
+danny_mkthank you21:50
+danny_mkYour branch is behind 'origin/master' by 2270 commits, and can be fast-forwarded.21:59
@scrottiewhich branch?  master?22:02
@scrottiewhen you did the git pull and the git reset --hard, that should have made you 0 commits behind22:03
+danny_mkI got it fixed22:03
@scrottiea'right22:03
+danny_mkwow, that was pretty scary but I think I finally got both my repos up to date22:18
@scrottieif everything you care about is committed and you copy and paste the commit hash somewhere safe before you do anything to the branch, you should always be safe.22:23
@scrottieyou might do something where you need help to fix it afterwards, but the data will still be there ;)22:24
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+patspamwatching Mark Shuttleworth's OSCON talk about juju19:15
+patspamwe should have a webgui juju charm19:16
@scrottiehrm wha?19:16
+patspamsilly product names19:21
@scrottieah.19:22
@scrottieI want to finish the installer script.  install is way too complex and error prone.  but it seems like as long as wG lacks relational integrity, that's never going to happen, because other things will continue to require an infinite amount of manual human labor, from me.19:36
@scrottieone of the new guys wanted to foreign key constraint up everything19:37
@scrottieoh, my.  it's only Thursday.  I woke up thinking it was Friday.19:39
CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rca2c063 / (6 files in 6 dirs): Fix gateway issues in several modules, including auth for password recovery. Fixes bug #12375 - http://git.io/aykIeg19:39
sbaurHi everyone!  Is there way to do a "calculation field" in a DataForm? Basically, I'm entering a start Date for something, and I need to be able to use just the Year part for a search and the whole date for display. And, I already have data in my DF so separating what I have into two fields is not a great option. 20:50
@scrottieI don't think DataForm has any feature like that, but where there's a non-intractable problem, there's a where.21:03
@scrottieyou could always add some JS to the template for the page that does that.21:03
@scrottie"do it in the UI" seems to be the popular solutions these days.21:03
@scrottie... as I've been painfully experiencing over the past couple of weeks...21:03
@scrottiewhile you're at it, return some complex, inconsistent JSON structures and stuff them right into a database field.21:04
sbaurDF, isn't that already complex, inconsistent JSON structures?21:04
* sbaur is still not happy that DF moved to JSON for data storage21:05
sbaurit makes manipulating the data so much more difficult21:05
sbaurI guess do it in the UI m21:26 <@scrottie> I miss the days when I could drop preaction into a homicidal rage with just three letters.21:07
sbaurhehe21:26
@scrottiethere are a lot of bugs in the export logic.21:26
sbaurI miss the days when preaction would hang out here21:26
* scrottie nods at sbaur21:26
sbaurand perlDreamer for that matter21:28
@scrottieyeah.  it makes it hard to talk about wG design on here.  I can say whatever I want, but no consensus or plans can be formed here.21:29
@scrottiewithout him.21:30
* sbaur hates deploying Java apps21:33
sbaurin Jave, it's apparently impossible to write a sensible/concise/useful error message21:37
@scrottieheh21:38
sbaurOk, I'm done griping about that, at least here :D21:39
@scrottiethere's so much pedantry in Java designed to avoid ever having an error and yet still so many errors, I think programmers feel like they've lost a battle or experience some sort of congnative dissonse21:39
@scrottieheh21:39
@scrottiedissonance21:40
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SynQhi there :)02:03
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sbaurhi SynQ02:04
+SynQhi02:05
+SynQany scrottie around?02:05
+SynQseen any activity from him lately?02:06
sbaurhe was around a few hours ago02:06
+SynQok02:07
+SynQI'll go and walk the dog and see if he's around when I get back02:07
sbauryou might want to ask your question before you go02:07
+SynQah02:08
sbaursince he's still signed in, he might read it and be able to leave a reply even he has to leave before you are back02:08
+SynQmy question is 'can we roll out that update now' :)02:08
sbaur:)02:08
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+SynQ:)02:42
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+danny_mkscrottie:  Hi, I found a way to test the frame stuff.  I will be re-writting some of the "committed" tests.  I will let you know when they are done.17:12
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@scrottiegood morning!  heya danny_mk19:59
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CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r7c03fc7 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Allow a single asset to be passed into findBrokenAssets via --assetId - http://git.io/hgYQOw20:49
CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rc120a8b / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Only transfer data that's being used, to reduce loading and speed things up. - http://git.io/1q-zvw20:55
+danny_mkHi scrottie20:58
sbaurHappy Friday everyone!21:07
sbaurI am still trying to figure out my auto enter some stuff into a form field problem21:07
sbaurI have a simple little javascript that does not seem to do anything, though the intertubes tell me it should. Full page source is at http://pastebin.com/2aRYbUNX and the field I'm trying to manipulate is course_year_formId21:09
sbaurthis is a DataForm in 7.6.35, and I'm just not getting something really basic.21:10
@scrottiehapppy Fridayy.21:12
* scrottie drools a bit21:12
sbaurThe posted bit has two different copies of the script. which was a goof on my part. But removing one, does not make any difference21:12
@scrottiedocument.getElementById('course_year_formId').value = '1000'; ... that bit?21:13
sbaurthat's the bit21:13
@scrottiea likely problem is that 'course_year_formId' hasn't been parsed yet21:14
sbaurso with webgui, it's not possible to use JS to manipulate a form?21:14
@scrottiepeople do this document onLoad stuff to make sure to wait until everything is loaded before starting to minipulate the DOM to deal with that21:14
@scrottiehmm?21:14
sbauroh21:15
@scrottieWebGUI spits out HTML, JS, images, and all the usual stuff.21:15
@scrottiethere's nothing special about wG that makes it more or less possible.21:15
sbaurso maybe that's the really basic bit that I'm missing21:15
@scrottieif you install the Firebug plugin, it'll alert you to errors, and show you where in the JS they happened, when JS errors21:15
ckotilchrome inspector will do that too21:15
sbauri had it then took it out due to memory leaks...21:15
@scrottieif "document.getElementById('course_year_formId')" came up null, then it tried to do ".value = '1000'" on that null, that would throw an error21:16
@scrottieyeah, I run two browers, a "lite" and a heavy.  the heavy has Flash, Firebug, etc.  the lite has NoScript with default deny ;)21:16
ckotilnot a bad idea21:16
@scrottieFirefox still burns crazy amounts of CPU just sitting there showing a couple dozen static pages with no JS enabled anywhere.21:17
@scrottiestupid thing.21:17
ckotili only run it to debug and cross browser compatibility21:18
sbaur15 is suposed to be way better about memory issues21:18
sbaurwe'll see21:18
ckotillol21:18
ckotilanother reason why i jumped ship21:18
ckotilupdates every week21:18
@scrottiememory/CPU waste seems to ebb and flow in FF.  this "balance" has been maintained fo ryears.21:18
@scrottieI turned the update notifications off.21:18
@scrottieIf I didn't loathe Google, I'd probably run Chrome.21:19
@scrottieI despite the "smart bar".  FF, as bad as it sucks, lets you turn things off.  I despite autocomplete.  It's so much faster if I can just type what I want rather than the thing bogging down loading suggestions that not only don't apply but actively insult me.  And I don't want every stupid keystroke I type being sent to Google anyway.21:19
ckotilaww, they're too pervasive to hate21:20
sbaurso yes, I'm getting the is null error21:20
@scrottieI'm doing it anyway.  I'm crazy like that.21:20
@scrottiesbaur, don't know if you have jquery on that page.  if you're doing UI stuff like that, it's probably easist to load it.  then the Internet should have about a billion examples of how to do onload events with that.  I don't have the syntax committed to memory so I'd have to Google it myself.21:21
@scrottieor you could do it straight HTML/DOM, too, if you didn't want to bring in jquery.21:21
sbaurhave heard of jquery, do not have it on this page21:22
haargi haven't had any performance issues with firefox for a long while, as long as firebug isn't enabled21:22
@scrottiehaarg, how often do you restart it?21:23
@scrottieI find that eventually, it winds up at 100% CPU doing nothing if not restarted.21:23
sbaurapparently, firebug, adblock plus and one other really popular were the worst for memory leaks, but many have been fixed with the newest versions21:23
haargon my laptop, every couple days i guess.  never for performance reasons.21:23
@scrottiewhich means that every so often, I notice that my laptop is warm and I'm inclined to restart it.  this happens before I notice things are slow, usually.21:23
@scrottieor if I'm on battery and I just don't want something hitting the CPU hard and draining my battery, I'll kill -stop it21:24
@scrottiehrm.  no adblock in the "lite" browser but the heavy one which has JS on uses it to block autocomplete on various things.21:24
@scrottieit seems to be more a function of number of tabs.21:25
@scrottiesbaur, http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/event_onload.asp ... w3schools is a popular reference (don't know if it's the best) for straight HTML5 stuff21:25
@scrottienon-jquery21:26
haargw3schools is a pretty terrible resource21:26
@scrottiehaha21:26
haargi'd recommend mdc for most things21:26
@scrottieI suspected.21:26
sbaurok, i'll check that out, currently I'm using stack overflow21:26
haargthey even have good browser compat information about a lot of things21:26
sbaurSuccess!21:28
@scrottieyay!21:28
sbaurHad to do it like this21:28
sbaurwindow.onload = function() {21:28
sbaur    document.getElementById('date').onchange = validateDate;21:28
sbaur};21:28
haargonload triggers after everything on the page loads, including images etc21:29
haargfor things like that you usually want an ondomready type thing, but that's not as simple to use.  you'd want to use a framework for it.21:29
sbaurI think this is simple enough that onload may be good enough21:30
sbaurat least for this proof of concept bit21:31
@scrottiehrm.  one of these long weekends, I should try to translate mosaic to Haskell.21:32
sbaurso, just to check my understanding, once the page is loaded, template variables are available for use?21:32
@scrottietemplate variables really only exist on the server.21:32
@scrottieyou can do things like this:  var foo = "[% template_variable %]";21:33
@scrottieand then if template_variable doesn't have any characters in it that would let it bust out of "" quoting, it'll wind up in foo21:33
sbaurcool, that's pretty much what I'm going to have to do21:33
@scrottieer, do that in the template on the server side.21:33
sbaurbasically, I have a user entered date, that I need to grab the year out of21:34
@scrottiepreaction has a branch of wG that lets you fetch all of the template vars as JSON.  that's easier and saner.  I need to finish that.21:34
@scrottiethere is JS date handling stuff...21:34
@scrottieand JS regex stuff.21:34
ckotilId like that too21:36
sbaurwell, I have a good place to start from now, thanks for your help21:37
@scrottiesbaur, you're welcome.  have fun!21:37
haargthere's also a json plugin for template toolkit and ways to do similar things in HTML::Template21:51
haargso you can do var foo = [% tmpl_var.json %];21:51
haargand have it work safely21:51
sbaurI used that JSON plugin somewhere once...21:51
haargactually you'd probably need tmpl_var.json | html21:52
sbaurit worked pretty well as I recall21:52
@scrottiesweet!21:53
* sbaur heads off to lunch21:53
haargfor one client i made a plugin for HTML::Template::Expr to do things with json decoding.  and it was terrible.  but not as terrible as thing thing i made initially.21:56
@scrottieI've got this Acme::RPC module.  I bet it's more terrible ;)21:59
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+SynQwhen fed up with firefox hangs and crashes: try the pale moon browser18:11
+SynQit rocks!18:12
+SynQit's basically a polished firefox18:12
+SynQand there is a 64 bit windows version available18:12
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@scrottiethere's a "Pentium 4 Celeron" in the corner running Windows I VNC into sometimes.22:20
@scrottieI don't think it's 64 bit though ;)22:20
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@scrottieheya Bart20:46
BartJol1heya20:48
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@scrottiemornin', delikat21:05
@daviddelikathey scrottie21:05
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@scrottiedanny_mk!22:27
@scrottieone of these days, I'm going to finish the installer and merge your stuff again.22:27
+danny_mkOK22:35
+danny_mkI am working on "New Content" tests today22:35
+danny_mkMost of the admin function tests are done22:35
+danny_mkhttps://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/selenium22:37
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+danny_mkscrottie:  OK, I have written a few tests here for some of the basic items like page/article/calendar (just adding them and verifying that adding them worked), I am going to need some feedback on these before I move too far00:21
+danny_mksbar1:  would you be able to run a few of these tests to see if they are good enough?00:22
+danny_mksbaur1:00:23
sbaur1Hi Danny_mk, not today. I had major hardware problems yesterday and am still recovering from them00:26
sbaur1but next week, sure (I'm gone thursday and friday this week)00:26
+danny_mksbaur1:  no, I mean sometime in the near future, just want to make sure I am going down the right path here00:26
+danny_mkhttps://github.com/dannymk/webgui/tree/selenium/selenium00:27
sbaur1sure, I'll check it out when I have some time00:27
+danny_mkexcellent, thank you00:27
+danny_mkI will check in with you next week Wenesday-Thursday00:28
sbaur1ok00:28
+danny_mkThank you, I am out of here...00:28
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@scrottiesbaur1, you wouldn't be going to DEFCON now would you?00:36
sbaur1nope, Cavalia00:36
@scrottiehaven't heard of it.00:36
sbaur1http://www.cavalia.net/en/cavalia-show/tickets-info/san-jose-ca-usa00:36
@scrottieinteresting.  Cirque de Sol gone equine?00:37
sbaur1exactly00:37
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CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r79c8434 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm : Fix the unlikely case of empty photo data in a Story asset when purging. - http://git.io/fJGdfg01:12
CIA-69webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r263b581 / lib/WebGUI/Account/Inbox.pm : Handle the case of not being able to instanciate messages when deleting a whole list of them. - http://git.io/rDQUOQ02:00
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@scrottieFrIdAy!!!20:27
@scrottieI completely butchered Monday, Tuesday, Weds, and Thursday, but I'm going to get today right.20:28
@scrottieSunday went pretty well though.20:44
@scrottieon second thought, it looks like I could spend the entire day just going through open URLs and closing stuff I've finished with.21:22
@scrottiewhat a week.21:22
@scrottieI'd just like to say, redmine is the worst bug tracker I've ever had the displeasure to use.  I used to hate RT.  RT is just bloated, slow, and clunky.  redmine is just bad.21:27
@scrottiebroken.21:27
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+danny_mkhmmm.... I use RT, what do you recommend?22:09
@scrottiehaha22:14
@scrottiewhatever you personally don't hate22:14
@scrottieI'm just venting22:14
@scrottieI've never found a bug tracker that I actually like.  aside from cutting off titles, the WebGUI one doesn't bother me too much at least.  it's simple at least.22:15
@scrottiebut I have to wonder about people who are really enthusaistic about their bug tracker.22:15
@scrottieMantis, that Procolix uses, isn't bad.22:15
+danny_mkthe webgui one is good enough22:55
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seeker61when i start typing in a cell of datagridview after second stroke it erases data entered and starts over18:49
seeker61new to this how best to post a question18:55
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seeker61haarg: how is best to ask a question on here19:08
seeker61when i start typing in a cell in my datagridview the text is erased after second key stroke19:09
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haargwelp20:29
CIA-69wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r3388ff7 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Add back in modules needed for WebGUI 7 - http://git.io/6uzoCg20:57
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* scrottie shrugs22:13
@scrottiemaybe I should make a bot that detects this scenario, where someone new connects, talks, and doesn't get a reply in a certain amount of time.22:14
@scrottiethen plays Hangman with them to keep them occupied until someone unidles ;)22:14
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sbaurI saw his message, but have no clue what a datagridview is, so waited for someone more knowledgeable to come along23:31
@scrottieno idea either.  sounds like JS though.23:36
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haargi was going to suggest trying a different browser but i wouldn't know aside from that00:06
haargi'm assuming he just picked a name at random00:06
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