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| CIA-66 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r78159c9 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : Fix typo introduced into Group.pm - http://git.io/L3LEYA | 01:37 |
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| +BartJol | howdy | 17:00 |
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| pskept | morning | 17:08 |
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| @scrottie | hullo. | 18:47 |
| haarg | greetings | 18:47 |
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| h2oliu | Did I find the right place? | 19:55 |
| @scrottie | hi h2oliu | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | I think you did. | 20:00 |
| @scrottie | you're Madison based? | 20:00 |
| h2oliu | yes. | 20:01 |
| @scrottie | for some reason, every company swears off of telecommuters after hiring me. | 20:01 |
| h2oliu | No comment. | 20:01 |
| h2oliu | scrottie, you were the bicyclist that did the long tour in France, correct? | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | h2oliu, yeah, that's me. | 20:02 |
| h2oliu | Ok. Getting-names-faces-handles all correlated. | 20:02 |
| @scrottie | http://shprung.com/pbp/?mode=info&frame=4506 ... one of the pics isn't me but some other guy who was going out of his way to hide his frame number from commercial photographers. | 20:04 |
| h2oliu | cool | 20:07 |
| * scrottie shrugs | 20:08 | |
| @scrottie | daviddelikat doesn't talk much but disconnects and reconnects all day long. David Nicol is on and off. he goes by his initials. perlDreamer is Colin. he's often active on here. he and I do most of the question answering. that's staffers. there are a lot of other regulars too who aren't staffers. | 20:32 |
| @scrottie | some of the old guard are on here, too... haarg and frodwith in particular. | 20:34 |
| h2oliu | Gotcha. | 20:36 |
| haarg | o/ | 20:36 |
| @scrottie | if you see preaction, he was our PHP programmer. he likes to talk abuot PHP, so make sure to talk to him about that. | 20:38 |
| haarg | lol | 20:38 |
| h2oliu | Why do I feel like I am being hazed. | 20:41 |
| h2oliu | ? | 20:41 |
| @scrottie | if it makes you feel any better, that would have been more at preaction's expense than yours. | 20:51 |
| @daviddelikat1 | i'd talk more if I could find a decent im client for this Mac.... | 21:03 |
| @daviddelikat1 | as it is I have this bird on my toolbar that constantly waves at me even ehtn there is nothign going on... | 21:04 |
| sbaur | daviddelikat1: Use Adium | 21:04 |
| sbaur | works fine for me | 21:04 |
| sbaur | the duck does not wave... | 21:04 |
| @scrottie | I really need to write my own. again. | 21:05 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I am using Adium | 21:05 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I like Pidgin | 21:06 |
| sbaur | then you are being annoyed by stuff that doesn't seem to bother me :-) | 21:06 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I just want it to tel me when there is stuff going on.... | 21:07 |
| @daviddelikat1 | usually its just pointing out that I recently had a disconnect/connect cycle or four | 21:07 |
| @daviddelikat1 | which happens every time I sneeze... | 21:08 |
| sbaur | I have 3 group chats open all the time. when there's something new in one of them, it displays the name of the group on the dock icon, and i have growl set up to show an alert with the chat message on my screen | 21:08 |
| @daviddelikat1 | or something | 21:08 |
| sbaur | and i don't seem to have the connect/disconnect problems you're reporting | 21:09 |
| @daviddelikat1 | I've thought about trying growl | 21:09 |
| haarg | you can configure what adium alerts you on iirc | 21:10 |
| sbaur | yep | 21:10 |
| haarg | i use xchat azure for irc, it's pretty terrible | 21:10 |
| * scrottie uses irc-II | 21:21 | |
| h2oliu | I just started with Collloquy. | 21:24 |
| h2oliu | For the 3 hours that I have used it, it seems fine. | 21:25 |
| haarg | that's probably the best choice for a mac gui irc client | 21:25 |
| h2oliu | But I don't get notified when something comes in. | 21:26 |
| haarg | i'm only using xchat because it has perl scripting | 21:26 |
| h2oliu | The last time I seriously used IRC it was just Relay. | 21:26 |
| h2oliu | Anyone got a few minutes to help with a wre install question? | 22:19 |
| haarg | possibly | 22:25 |
| @scrottie | ask away. | 22:33 |
| h2oliu | I am running into an error when trying to add a user. | 22:33 |
| h2oliu | An issue with WebGUI::Auth::Twitter. | 22:34 |
| h2oliu | Does that sound familiar to anyone? | 22:34 |
| h2oliu | It has a problem loading Sub/Name.pm, but that is up to date (according to cpan). | 22:34 |
| haarg | what do you get from perl -MSub::Name -e1 | 22:35 |
| h2oliu | one sec | 22:36 |
| h2oliu | Some error messages. | 22:36 |
| h2oliu | Ok. That gives me a starting point. | 22:37 |
| @scrottie | if you give me the exact error message, I might have a guess. | 22:37 |
| h2oliu | 1): no suitable image found. Did find: | 22:37 |
| h2oliu | /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/darwin-2level/auto/Sub/Name/Name.bundle: mach-o, but wrong architecture | 22:37 |
| @scrottie | ah, yeah. | 22:38 |
| h2oliu | That looks like the key problem | 22:38 |
| haarg | 32 vs 64 bit stuff i expect | 22:38 |
| h2oliu | Yep | 22:38 |
| h2oliu | Thanks. | 22:38 |
| haarg | one of the reasons i never used the wre | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | which version of OSX are you on? | 22:38 |
| h2oliu | 10.6.8 | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | I think the OSX wre was built for 10.3 or something like that. | 22:39 |
| @scrottie | maybe 10.4. | 22:39 |
| haarg | someone should probably update the topic to point to http://pastebin.com/ or some other paste site | 22:39 |
| h2oliu | This was what I used to get started (before I was even on board). | 22:39 |
| haarg | pastebin hasn't supported subdomains for a long time | 22:39 |
| h2oliu | Any suggestions on the best way to set up my test environment? | 22:39 |
| @scrottie | h2oliu, no XS modules are going to build for you. | 22:40 |
| h2oliu | XS? | 22:41 |
| haarg | i never bothered to figure out why nobody could get the wre 64bit build working properly. i just always installed the components myself and never had and compile problems. | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | h2oliu, you have a few options. you can download the wre-source and fix it up to build cleanly, and preferrably update the versions of things in it. | 22:41 |
| @scrottie | that's another option, what haarg said. | 22:41 |
| haarg | getting the wre source and building it is probably a good starting point though, assuming it works | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | you could run Debian or RedHat in a virtualbox instance. I personally would avoid that but other people seem to mind less than I do. | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | the wre source does not build cleanly on recent OSXen. | 22:42 |
| haarg | fitting the components together isn't that hard, but without any prior experience with the system a lot probably wouldn't be very obvious | 22:42 |
| @scrottie | I asked JT if fixing it should be a priority. he said no, no one hosts wG on OSX. | 22:43 |
| @scrottie | well, if a person had experience with C build problems on OSX, getting the wre-source package building should be no more complex than the build problem themselves. | 22:43 |
| h2oliu | Unfortunately, I am not a high end hacker type. | 22:44 |
| haarg | if you opt for the wre source, be aware that the git repo is currently in prep for wg8 | 22:44 |
| h2oliu | I've been in sysadmin mode for the past few years. | 22:45 |
| h2oliu | I am thinking that fitting the components together may be easier for me. | 22:45 |
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| h2oliu | Thanks for the help/suggestions. | 22:45 |
| @scrottie | you'll still want Apple's dev package. you should be able to get a personal version for free from the site, or you can talk to Jamie about getting it bought. | 22:46 |
| h2oliu | I've got xcode on my machine (a bit outdated). | 22:46 |
| @scrottie | cool. what version of perl came with OSX and do you have the source? have you build mod_perl before? | 22:47 |
| h2oliu | I haven't. | 22:47 |
| h2oliu | osx comes with 5.10 | 22:47 |
| h2oliu | I have put 5.12 on it though. | 22:47 |
| @scrottie | when modperl builds, it wants access to the (compiled) source code of perl. | 22:47 |
| @scrottie | do you *have* to use wG7? couldn't you just use 8? | 22:48 |
| h2oliu | I'm guessing, long term, I'll need both. | 22:48 |
| haarg | this might be a good reference for building stuff https://github.com/plainblack/wrebuild/blob/c85f21871a024d03732e108e2a9a9efe9b4ba97a/build.sh | 22:48 |
| h2oliu | Depending on which issues I am addressing. | 22:48 |
| haarg | that's the wre-for-wg7 build script | 22:49 |
| h2oliu | Ok. | 22:49 |
| h2oliu | Do people use the Apple supplied apache (v. 2.2), or do you tend to use a fresh version? | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | dunno! I think modperl wants headers from the source of the version you have. | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | so you'll at least need that. | 23:23 |
| h2oliu | Thanks. | 23:23 |
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| h2oliu | Anyone have experience using the Ubuntu install package? | 22:27 |
| @scrottie | I think you would have better luck if you had said "Debian". | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | ... as for that, there are some docs in /usr/share, I'm told. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | but I haven't tried it msyelf. | 23:02 |
| @scrottie | myself. | 23:02 |
| h2oliu | Thanks. | 23:02 |
| h2oliu | I'm seeing how many different ways I can get WebGUI to not work on my machine today. | 23:03 |
| @scrottie | heh. | 23:09 |
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| ckotil | been there. | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | eiro: did you have a go at the WebGUI French translation? | 00:15 |
| theseparator| | How to import packages in wg8? | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | do you mean through the interface, or through the command line? | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's too funny | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it appears that there's no way to import a package through the interface | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | it seems to have been completely lost during the WebGUI 8 admin console rewrite | 00:30 |
| theseparator| | Yeh, that is what I experienced... | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll file a bug for it | 00:44 |
| theseparator| | Ok, are there intentions to provide wg8 themes for site design? | 00:46 |
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| CIA-66 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r2dbd38f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Cache/CHI.pm): Make a safe copy of the config file before modifying it. Fixes bug #12322. - http://git.io/g2iHIg | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | theseparator|: all current themes should continue to work. I made a blog post a while ago deteailing that, and a small caveat. | 01:00 |
| theseparator| | Ok, will check that. TX | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | if they themes don't then they'll need to be upgraded | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and if they're in the core, they'll need to be fixed | 01:01 |
| theseparator| | The existing themes in the core behave odd in ie9, works better in chrome. Like moving assets on a page is an issue. | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ie9 is a very new browse | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | most of the developers don't use ie on a regular basis, we tend to stick with Firefox, Chrome and Safari | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you find ie9 bugs, please feel free to post them | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | even better, feel free to upload packages that fix the problem | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I understand that older versions of TinyMCE don't work well on ie9 either | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that's been fixed in 7.10 | 01:16 |
| theseparator| | I only installed wg8 yesterday, noticed in admin mode that ie9 has issues, also in compatibility mode. I will post bugs on the forum. Switched to chrome for further familiarization. | 01:21 |
| theseparator| | Tinymce editors appeared better than before, could raise editing windows for templates etc | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what do you mean by "raise" | 01:23 |
| theseparator| | Raise = resize... | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | they should be resizable | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | already | 01:24 |
| theseparator| | Had issues before having to resize again and again. Seems better with both chrome and Ie9. Not certain about persistence though | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | from page load to page load? No, it reverts to the default size each time | 01:27 |
| theseparator| | Initially I thought it defaulted per asset, when I revisited earlier assets I thought it retained the resize but will verify tomorrow. Resizing is a pain when developing templates though... | 01:32 |
| theseparator| | Signing off, thank you ! | 01:35 |
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| eiro | any email adress of perldreamer ? | 22:47 |
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| @scrottie | eiro, I have it but I don't know if he wants it advertised here. if you send me something at scott@plainblack.com, I'll forward it for you. | 00:10 |
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| eiro | scrottie, ok thanks | 16:36 |
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| doc_gt7 | Hello friends. DB / Macro question. I am working on a macro that needs to create a temp table, select data from 2 tables and insert into the temp, then query the temp table and sort. My query works perfect in mysql but when I run it in webgui it gives a sql error. I am using: my $sth = $dbh->unconditionalRead($statement); Maybe I need to use something else like db->read ? Being I have to select and write to a temp tabl | 20:53 |
| doc_gt7 | read, what method should I use? Thanks. :o) | 20:53 |
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| @scrottie | you say it gives an error but don't tell us the error. | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | it amazes me that people complain about the meaninglessness of errors programmers make programs report, but then only report "an error", which is far more meaningless. what if every program only had one error? what if all you got was a red light on a dashboard? | 20:56 |
| doc_gt7 | Well, it is the common SQL when you have a typo: You have an error in your SQL syntax; The thing is it works perfect executing it by hand but running it in the macro causes this error. | 20:57 |
| sbaur | could it be something like commas in the data that aren't being escaped? | 20:57 |
| @scrottie | look at both of your logs... does it tell you more about the SQL error? | 20:58 |
| @scrottie | look at the modperl error log. | 20:58 |
| doc_gt7 | Lemme check. | 20:58 |
| @scrottie | and then paste your code into one of those no-paste thingies. gist.github.com works. | 20:58 |
| doc_gt7 | mod perl is logging the same error. Syntax error. at line 9 at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/SQL/ResultSet.pm line 316. So is my $sth = $dbh->unconditionalRead($statement); the proper db method for this? | 21:01 |
| @scrottie | perhaps. I'd have to see the rest of it. | 21:02 |
| @scrottie | you know, like the SQL, and anything getting interpolated into it (as sbaur asked about) | 21:02 |
| doc_gt7 | The query worked ok until it grew into multiple table queries. Then bombed. If I remove the second table query it works again. It seems to not like SELECT and then INSERT and then SELECT in the same statement. I will see if I can paste it into thingie :) Thanks for any pointers. | 21:06 |
| @scrottie | yes, you'll have to execute each of those one at a time. | 21:20 |
| @scrottie | DBI's prepare is different from the mysql prompt in that regard. | 21:20 |
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| doc_gt7 | git://gist.github.com/1754234.git This is the query that I am trying to execute. Can I call DBI directly inside a webgui macro? | 21:29 |
| haarg | you can only run queries one at a time | 21:29 |
| haarg | there is an SQL macro floating around somewhere, but it's really dangerous to use | 21:30 |
| doc_gt7 | That is going to be a problem with temp tables as they disappear by the next query, afaik.... | 21:31 |
| sbaur | instead of making a temporary table, could you use the thingy asset? | 21:32 |
| haarg | doc_gt7, temporary tables are per connection, not per statement | 21:35 |
| doc_gt7 | Not sure. Used to writing it out in the macro. This is for an advanced search so it needs to combine 2 tables, then sort and select by distance. In the end it is a huge query. | 21:36 |
| doc_gt7 | haarg Thanks, I will see if I can break it into smaller chunks and keep the unique temp table to avoid a race condition. | 21:37 |
| doc_gt7 | is unconditionalRead the prefered method for this or db->write db->read for each statement? | 21:38 |
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| haarg | generally it would be write for the creates and inserts, read for the select | 21:39 |
| haarg | unless you need to handle something that may error | 21:39 |
| haarg | in which case? ugh i don't know upgrade to webgui 8 or something | 21:40 |
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| haarg | and local $dbh->{RaiseError} = 1; and use an eval | 21:42 |
| doc_gt7 | I have unless ($sth->errorCode < 1) { return 'failed...'; } else { my stuff... | 21:44 |
| doc_gt7 | This could be a really slow search with 3 db queries per run... | 21:46 |
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| doc_gt7 | When I break it into separate queries, create the temp table, insert into the temp table, I get table doesn't exist. Something I am missing.... | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | create a transaction. the temp table should live for the life of the transaction. | 21:58 |
| @scrottie | and sending three queries to the database at once doesn't make those three queries much quicker | 21:58 |
| @scrottie | you probably shouldn't be creating a temp table. | 21:58 |
| @scrottie | you should probably normalize your data and then just key each batch of data off of something | 21:59 |
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| doc_gt7 | I have 2 separate tables... they cannot be combined but they need to both be queried to generate a distance search. The only way I knew to pull this off is to create a temp table, insert the relevant records into it, then query it and sort by distance. By sending the 3 queries at once mysql can optimize it. I am not sure about normalizing data... or even what that means :) | 22:08 |
| doc_gt7 | It seems that when I create a temp table webgui opens, queries, closes, therefore the temp table is now gone. Here comes query 2 but there is no temp table now... query fails. | 22:09 |
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| @scrottie | MySQL does not optimize across multiple queries. the query optimizer optimizes one query at a time. | 22:18 |
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| @scrottie | use $session->db->dbh directly if yo have to to start and commit a transaction. | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI only closes the dbh at the end of the request. | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | maybe. | 22:19 |
| @scrottie | _The Practical SQL Handbook_ is a great book for learning this stuff. I highly recommend it. | 22:21 |
| doc_gt7 | I think that is what I may have to do... $sth = $dbh->unconditionalRead($statement); opens, queries, closes because if I reference the table I just created it bombs. Are there any examples on a transaction with $session->db->dbh directly. | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_normalization | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | are you creating a transaction? | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | or are you ignoring that suggestion? I can't tell. | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | "I did what you said and it doesn't work" or "I didn't do what you said and it doesn't work"? | 22:22 |
| doc_gt7 | I would like to know how to create and close a transaction using $session->db->dbh.... | 22:22 |
| doc_gt7 | I thought that is what you were telling me to try. Am I wrong? | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | yes, that's what I'm telling you to try, but you just keep repeating yourself without giving me indication of whether you did that or not. | 22:23 |
| @scrottie | in fact, I keep asking you to show me the code but I've had to instead pick up on errors by inferance from things you've said instead of from direct observation. | 22:24 |
| @scrottie | $session->db->dbh->begin_work; # starts a transaction | 22:25 |
| @scrottie | ->commit # commits/closes/finishes the transaction | 22:25 |
| doc_gt7 | git://gist.github.com/1754234.git was the offending query. I posted it 30 minutes ago :) As I asked in my first question: unconditionalRead($statement); is the problem. It opens, queries, closes and the temp table is gone. I appreciate the pointers though and will give the transaction a go. :) | 22:27 |
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| @scrottie | "It opens, queries, closes and the temp table is gone"... with or without the transaction? | 22:29 |
| doc_gt7 | I am working on implementing the transaction.... That is the behavior of unconditionalRead($statement) | 22:30 |
| @scrottie | would doing this satisfy your needs? select * from church_chr union select * from featured_fea; | 22:34 |
| doc_gt7 | I worked with that a while but the fields names are different and union wanted them to be the same... | 22:35 |
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| @scrottie | rename them: select asdgasdg as foo, asgkdjasgs as bar from church_chr union select asdgasgsag as foo, asgdasgasg as bar from featured_fea; | 22:36 |
| doc_gt7 | That may work, but it will be a really long query ( I am working with 15 fields x 2).. Would webgui accept that as a single statement? | 22:37 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI doesn't do much to your SQL... it just passes it on to MySQL. | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | and that's a lot less work than for it to create a temp table and copy everything in and then copy everything back out | 22:38 |
| @scrottie | this data would be a lot faster and easier to work with if it were normalized. I really do recommend getting a copy of _The Practical SQL Handbook_ and reading it. | 22:39 |
| doc_gt7 | Hrm, certainly worth checking out. I will read that book. This is becoming far to common. :) | 22:39 |
| @scrottie | =) | 22:40 |
| doc_gt7 | Is The Practical SQL Handbook: Using SQL Variants(4rth edition) by Judith S bowman the book you recommend? ( There are 3 pages of books on amazon when you search for The Practical SQL Handbook ) :) | 22:51 |
| @scrottie | "Using SQL Variants" isn't what I was thinking of, but that may be a permement addition to the title of the thing | 23:01 |
| @scrottie | http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Practical-SQL-Handbook-Using-Structured-Query-Language-by-Sandra-L-Emerson-Marcy-Darnovsky-and-Judith-S-Bowman-1996-Other-Subsequent-Edition-Mixed-media-product/102937&tg=info is what I was thinking of.... but http://product.half.ebay.com/The-Practical-SQL-Handbook-by-Sandra-L-Emerson-Judith-S-Bowman-and-Marcy-Darnovsky-2001-Other-Mixed-media-product/1836908&tg=info *might* be essentially the same thing | 23:09 |
| doc_gt7 | Gotcha. I saw that cover when looking on amazon. Just testing here but a union select query takes 12 seconds as opposed to .03 seconds with out it. ( There are 300,000+ records in this db. ) | 23:14 |
| @scrottie | it takes 0.03 seconds to query one table and then the other and get everything from both of them? | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | why are you selecting all of the data from two tables anyway? | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | do you really want to display all of that to the user? | 23:27 |
| @scrottie | maybe you want to filter it somehow? | 23:28 |
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| doc_gt7 | Yes, it will be selected by distance. Just testing queries in webgui before I spend hours writing a query that will not work in webgui because you can only use one "action" per query... ie: SELECT INSERT CREATE.... :) | 23:31 |
| doc_gt7 | I think that even if I get union select to work that it may still fail at the end because I would need to select FROM that set of combined data. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | this isn't a WebGUI thing. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | this is a MySQL thing. | 23:33 |
| doc_gt7 | The statement works in mysql.... not in webgui :) | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | specifically a DBD::mysql thing. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | it's three queries. | 23:33 |
| @scrottie | the mysql command shell accomodates streams of distinct queries. DBD::mysql's prepare() does not. | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | and it doesn't make sense to. | 23:34 |
| @scrottie | "it takes 0.03 seconds to query one table and then the other and get everything from both of them?" | 23:35 |
| doc_gt7 | To sum it up:: In the end I will need to combine data from 2 tables, then query that combined set.... in a webgui macro. What is the best possible path? :) | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | I asked three questions and got one answer. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | are you joining the two tables? | 23:35 |
| doc_gt7 | Sorry, I know it is confusing. I am trying to simplify my question. | 23:35 |
| @scrottie | eg join: select * from a, b where a.id = b.a_id | 23:36 |
| doc_gt7 | No, they are separate tables.... But they have similar fields. One is human maintained, another computer generated.... I cannot use 1 table. | 23:38 |
| @scrottie | "I cannot use 1 table" is essentially not true. you could store all of your data in one table and do essentially anything a RDBMS can do. | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | but that's beside the point. | 23:39 |
| doc_gt7 | Its a long story but one table is replaced each night... the other is not :) | 23:39 |
| @scrottie | people often say "It is impossible to do X" when they should be saying "I don't know how to do X". | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | anyway, I'm not arguing for them being one table. | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | I was curious if your end product would be created by doing a "join" between the two of them. | 23:40 |
| @scrottie | "combine data from two tables" often implies joining as opposed to a union or something like that. | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | "it takes 0.03 seconds to query one table and then the other and get everything from both of them?" | 23:41 |
| @scrottie | really? | 23:42 |
| @scrottie | it takes 0.03 seconds to copy both tables into a temp table and then query everything from it, like you were doing? | 23:42 |
| doc_gt7 | In my testing: yes.... but union select takes 12 seconds.... | 23:42 |
| doc_gt7 | No, but it is much faster.... Let me test it. | 23:42 |
| doc_gt7 | .08 seconds for the create temporary table query. Creates a temp table, selects fields from 2 tables, then selects and sorts the temp table. Thats surprising. | 23:45 |
| @scrottie | the create temp table statement you showed me populated it with a copy of one of the tables. is it possible that the other table is much larger? | 23:46 |
| @scrottie | anyway, rest assured that it is entirely possible to write WebGUI macros that pull data from the database in every complicated way imaginable. | 23:47 |
| doc_gt7 | One table is much larger than the other. The intent is to merge the 2 and query it. | 23:48 |
| @scrottie | yes, if your one query that creates the temp table pulls from a much smaller table and that's the only thing you've timed, it will take less time than the union. | 23:50 |
| @scrottie | ie, if you have a surprising time to quote to me, please confirm it's an apples to apples comparison. | 23:50 |
| doc_gt7 | I have several working queries. I just have not found the best path to approach it in WebGui. The one I timed was the one I pasted and was trying to make work in WebGui... | 23:52 |
| doc_gt7 | After I write a working query and then use it in the macro it fails. So I need to start with what works in WebGui and reverse code it lol :) | 23:52 |
| doc_gt7 | Anyway, Best method to query 2 tables, then select from THAT data? I will run with it. :) | 23:54 |
| @scrottie | you're telling me that all three queries in the snippet of code you showed me ran in 0.03 seconds. you're about to get a bozo bit. | 23:54 |
| doc_gt7 | Oh it is much worse than that.... that query is 17 lines long and creates a temp table from selecting from 2 tables, then sorts by distance. And it runs in 0.08 seconds. I simplified the pasted one to make it as small as possible and still reproduce the error webgui gave me. | 23:57 |
| @scrottie | the best way to do it and how to do it within the context of perl/mysql/DBD::mysql are two separate questions. | 23:57 |
| @scrottie | separate buty related. | 23:57 |
| doc_gt7 | Yea, that is what I find. At this point I need to make it work with WebGui. Really things that work else where does not matter. :) | 23:58 |
| @scrottie | no, you seek to do it as sanely and intelligently as you can, and then ask politely how that solution might be made to work in WebGUI =) | 23:59 |
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| @scrottie | https://gist.github.com/1755216 | 00:00 |
| doc_gt7 | Trying to accomplish that. I have worked on this "simple" search for 4 days, each time thinking I had it :) | 00:00 |
| @scrottie | that works for me. | 00:00 |
| @scrottie | that executes each statement separately, sa they need to be, and it creates a transaction within which temporary tables continue to live. | 00:01 |
| doc_gt7 | that looks VERY promising.... :) Going to test it out. | 00:01 |
| @scrottie | in general, the best way to get help is to show code that doesn't work. making assertions that lead to the code that doesn't work generally just results in a lot of discussion and not much working code. | 00:03 |
| @scrottie | if someone suggests that you use transactions and your code still doesn't work, paste it again and get more suggestions. | 00:03 |
| doc_gt7 | I will try and remember that. transactions in WebGui is something I know nothing about so this is a learning curve for me. And what works in CGI, Mason, Perl scripts does not necessarily work in webgui. :) | 00:04 |
| @scrottie | none of that code I showed you is the least bit specific to wG, except for the $session->db->dbh bit. $dbh is a DBI thing. | 00:06 |
| @scrottie | and DBI is just a layer over MySQL's client. | 00:06 |
| @scrottie | (or various other databses client) | 00:06 |
| @scrottie | essentially everything uses DBI and DBD::mysql. various things such as DBI::Class are layers on top of it. | 00:07 |
| @scrottie | if I were a complete dick, I'd tell you to read the docs for DBI (perldoc DBI), but they're long and tedious. | 00:07 |
| @scrottie | er, essentially everything in the perl world that uses databses uses DBI. | 00:08 |
| doc_gt7 | That works.. I just have to integrate my query into it and it will be perfecto! Thank you so much for your patience scrottie, I wish I could have explained it better, sooner :) | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | I know there's a temptation to vent when things don't work how you think they should and I'm not un-sympathetic. again, DBI/DBD::mysql are hairy. but I'm also limited on spare time ;) | 00:12 |
| @scrottie | you're quite welcome. | 00:12 |
| doc_gt7 | I have written half a dozen macros to do various things but none deal with transactions. This is the first time that I have needed to... Its great to have some pointers, or in this case the entire sub :) | 00:14 |
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| eiro | scrottie, seen my mail ? | 02:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:45 |
| @scrottie | hey perlDreamer. | 18:49 |
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| xdanger | what's the status on wg8? It's a month since there was a blog post saying beta next friday. | 21:43 |
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| @scrottie | dunno. it's been ages since I had time available to work on it. perlDreamer and JT had been making a push for a while there. | 21:53 |
| @scrottie | you're more than welcome to check it out and test it. | 21:54 |
| @scrottie | I heard perlDreamer declare wG8 "done" at one point, declaring that it then needed a wre, and then he did a bunch of work on that. | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | it needs a wre less so than wG7 does. it's a lot easier to do the source install progress. | 21:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | webgui8 is (by itself) ready to be released | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can't release webgui8 without an accompanying WRE | 22:35 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I don't my self use wre, but is there anything that I could help out with? | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to finish up the demo server. | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | That's the last thing | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and as soon as I get all our client and support issues taken care of, I'll have time to do that | 23:00 |
| xdanger | I just want webgui8 out, so that It's little more tested, I've based some new development on webgui8 api =) | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you find it, compared to 7? | 23:00 |
| xdanger | I really like Moose and roles | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, me too | 23:01 |
| xdanger | I find the api much more easy to comprehend, even though it's not that much different | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's quite similar | 23:01 |
| xdanger | and I really like around! | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | around rocks! | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | super is good, too | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | at some point, I'd like to decompose Wobject into 2-3 roles | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and apply them individually to the wobjects | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | since Article doesn't need database collateral | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and everybody needs access to prepareView | 23:02 |
| haarg | to start with it would be easy to make them separate roles and apply them to wobject | 23:03 |
| haarg | and everything should just keep working the same | 23:03 |
| xdanger | did you solve the nginx + uploads privileges? If I remember correctly you didn't have that one figured out yet | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | no, currently uploads are being handled by WebGUi | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll be moving it over to a technology that Haarg suggested, X-Sendfile | 23:03 |
| xdanger | good | 23:03 |
| xdanger | I suggested that in 2007 or 2006 =) | 23:04 |
| xdanger | somewhere around when I wrote the streamin uploads to mod_perl webgui | 23:04 |
| haarg | it was always what i intended to be used for the psgi version. never really wrote it down anywhere though. | 23:04 |
| haarg | and it's not something that can be set up in webgui core really. has to be in the wre or equiv. | 23:05 |
| xdanger | Just make it a configurable header, so that different implementations can use it (for example apache, perlbal) I think that it has a few different names but basicly the same funtionality | 23:05 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I haven't looked at Moose really before I figured I just start my "not-so-urgent" development on the wg8 api. And now I just want to refactor it to roles and stuff =) | 23:07 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer, X-Sendfile should be working | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | and there should be tests for it | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | the psgi configs should be set up to enable it | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, perhaps all I need is the nginx config then | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | stuff got reworked in wG8 to use it if enabled. there's a setting. | 23:08 |
| haarg | nginx needs to set the right headers for it | 23:08 |
| @scrottie | wG8 should be setting the header. then something else (nginx, or some bit of middleware) should be seeing the header and doing the work of sending the file. | 23:09 |
| xdanger | Now I have a little problem, since I was visioning that wg8 should come out around fall 2011.. and now the deadline is in 1,5 months =) | 23:11 |
| @scrottie | xdanger: you're more than welcome to do the work of finishing the wre for it =) | 23:12 |
| xdanger | I'm not familiar with the demo server =) | 23:13 |
| xdanger | What is it missing at the moment? | 23:13 |
| @scrottie | me either, but if you have questions, you can ask. | 23:13 |
| xdanger | oh, now that I remember! Could you please relicence the asset skeletons under bsd, or similiar licence? ;) | 23:14 |
| @scrottie | sounds like a question for JT. | 23:15 |
| xdanger | license, can't seem to type this evening | 23:15 |
| haarg | i think perlDreamer and i came up with a workable approach for the demo server | 23:15 |
| @scrottie | of course, one could also go to Canada and clean-room reverse engineer an asset skeleton ;) | 23:15 |
| xdanger | I just talked about some other project with a friend of mine, and he pointed out that code examples should be licensed more freely than gpl | 23:16 |
| @scrottie | I'm pretty sure the implication of giving you GPL "skeletons" to start building your own app on top of are purely accidental. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | er, was purely accidental. | 23:18 |
| @scrottie | but I'm also not the copyright holder. | 23:18 |
| xdanger | scrottie: I'm in Finland, is that far enough for reverse engineering ;) | 23:18 |
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| @scrottie | don't know the local laws, but probably. and it's not distance, it's a matter of local laws. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | open an RFE and then when JT makes his bi-monthly IRC appearance, flag him down. | 23:20 |
| @scrottie | and show it to him. | 23:20 |
| xdanger | It doesn't matter if you use the "gpl asp loophole" | 23:21 |
| @scrottie | sorry if I'm being a bit officious. I should probably just change the copyright on the file, but JT might have a valid concern about some detail, and it is his, and I'm busy fighting other battles. | 23:21 |
| xdanger | to me, at the moment atleast | 23:21 |
| xdanger | scrottie: I understand, and there could be some legal stuff also involved | 23:22 |
| xdanger | I know you in the US like to hassle with legal stuff =) | 23:22 |
| @scrottie | a dark, hate filled part of me wants to overload operators to do WebGUI::User, ::Group, and ::Asset operations. | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | resist the dark, scrottie | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | go into the light! | 23:23 |
| @scrottie | xdanger: that and we like to go to the doctor for pills. ergo, I should have been a doctor or a lawyer. | 23:23 |
| xdanger | the doctor part also happens in finland | 23:25 |
| xdanger | And I think everywhere in the western world | 23:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | boy, it takes a lot of time to chmod 100 Gb of data | 00:48 |
| * sbaur nods | 00:48 | |
| @daviddelikat1 | how many files? | 00:48 |
| @daviddelikat1 | it goes pretty fast when each file is 4G | 00:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | daviddelikat1: it's WebGUI uploads | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | lots and lots of little files | 01:08 |
| haarg | what was the permissions problem with nginx and uploads? | 01:29 |
| haarg | in the general case, x-sendfile is a good solution, but it should also be possible to handle it similar to how wg7+mod_proxy did | 01:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg, I couldn't figure out how to make nginx look at the .wgaccess file using using an "If" statement | 04:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and all the nginx docs agreed that "If" was bad | 04:01 |
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| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rfa658eb / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.template : Fix the root directory for nginx on a per-server basis. - http://git.io/N7stdw | 05:36 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9a490da / wre/var/setupfiles/demo.nginx : Nginx config file for demo server. - http://git.io/GJsktA | 05:36 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rc47c592 / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Add demo server setup to wresetup.pl - http://git.io/7y0sqQ | 05:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | boy it's quiet today | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | how happy would people be if we created a branch of the WRE just for the WebGUI 7.x specific WRE? | 21:02 |
| sbaur | happy | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | done. The branch is called wre7 | 21:05 |
| sbaur | kewl | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | we'll be releasing Task::WebGUI soon as well | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | which will allow people to setup all the perl modules for recent WebGUI 7's just by typing | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | cpanm Task::WebGUI | 21:07 |
| sbaur | nice, very nice | 21:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:02 |
| sbaur | morning pD | 18:02 |
| +BartJol | howdy | 18:33 |
| +BartJol | bashing the commercialization pd? | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think it's right that people start advertising their own sites in the community forums | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or the wiki | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm throwing my weight around | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | did you ever finish the kitchen in your apartment, BartJol? | 18:41 |
| +BartJol | and right you are | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | and no, didn't finish it so far | 18:42 |
| +BartJol | but sometimes people ask for that info..., but advertising is a bit too much | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I can see giving that information out for free, but pushing your own services is a bit much | 18:45 |
| +BartJol | I agree | 18:46 |
| +BartJol | so already made a decision on the yapc? | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm pretty sure that I can't come | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy graduates on the 4th | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the kids get out of school the week of YAPC | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | well, I won't be there either | 18:52 |
| +BartJol | allthough Joeri thinks I should go, he's not the one paying my ticket :) | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | has he offered to? | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | nope | 18:53 |
| +BartJol | it is feeding time for /me | 19:02 |
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| ckotil | Is this a known bug? .wgaccess files for 'old' image asset files have {"state":"trash"}. that is when i upload new images to the existing image asset, the old images become unavailable via the web. | 20:05 |
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| @scrottie | if it isn't in the bug tracker, it isn't a known bug | 20:09 |
| ckotil | could it be intentional? | 20:11 |
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| ckotil | im running 7.9.23 but the issue is in the beta too. http://beta.webgui.org/demo1328811276_946/home default user/pass. click edit on the image at the bottom of the page. then click the oldest revision from the link on the top right. then try to click through to the image. you get an apache error. | 20:16 |
| @scrottie | please open a bug ticket. | 20:19 |
| ckotil | k | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | does anyone else run a demo server for WebGUI? | 20:23 |
| ckotil | uhh, the bug trackker stripped off half of my bug report ;) the part where i include some of the apache error from the modperl.error log | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, file that as another bug | 20:28 |
| ckotil | heh | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | carefully | 20:29 |
| ckotil | heh, so i actually did file a bug report, and it stripped out the same text. | 20:37 |
| ckotil | used the comments section to finish the report | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, what browser are you using? | 20:37 |
| ckotil | chrome | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we're due for another TinyMCE upgrade | 20:39 |
| ckotil | i think that would be swell | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll see if I can duplicate the helpdesk bugs with my chrome, and that way we can use that as a benchmark for fixing stuff | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | when I get back into bugfixing mode, that is | 20:40 |
| ckotil | cool. | 20:41 |
| ckotil | how much pain do you think this will bring me? Recently I applied a batch edit to most of my site setting a new style template. Well that updated the last modified time, which pretty much broke our ability to find stale documentation. I would like to directly modify the SQL to remove my username and timestamp from the last edit. | 20:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | it may cause a problem with the version tag | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | having the version tag being owned by someone other than the person who edited the assets | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | but whether or not you run into that potential problem is another issue | 20:53 |
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| @scrottie | is there a clever trick for debugging cases where Perl tries to gobble up infinite memory and then coredumps on global destruction? | 20:57 |
| ckotil | perlDreamer: yeah im thinking of writing a script to replace my username/lastModified time stamp with the previous username/lastModified, so as to preserve the version tag integrity | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, doing that actually does the opposite | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you did edit the asset | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but you didn't alter the content | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI doesn't make that distinction | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie, I've only seen perl do that in the case of infinite loops in code | 21:05 |
| ckotil | hrm, so maybe i should just think about how to move forward rather than clean up after myself? | 21:09 |
| ckotil | like add another field, metadata field to hold a last modified date. | 21:09 |
| @scrottie | huh. Sub::Uplevel gets used during stack trace generation for Carp. if things go wrong in there, it can trigger a stack trace care of Carp. | 21:21 |
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| haarg | what is still using Sub::Uplevel ? | 21:38 |
| haarg | it was getting used by the logger, but i thought it got removed from there | 21:39 |
| haarg | if not, it should | 21:39 |
| haarg | Sub::Uplevel is pretty terribly in general and should be avoided if at all possible | 21:39 |
| @scrottie | this particular WebGUI is hacked up and badly out of date. | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | don't ask me what the current world is doing because I just don't know. | 21:40 |
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| h2oliu | Hey all, new PB dev here, so I'm fumbling around a bit. I'm trying to understand the message: You must have active friends in the system if you wish to send new private messages without having to first locate their profile | 22:05 |
| h2oliu | I guess the question is how do I make friends in wG? | 22:05 |
| h2oliu | (Let the chuckling begin). | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | dunno! I've only ever used that part of the system from the API... adding friends as part of some client-specific function. | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | don't know if there is a stock add-friend UI | 22:09 |
| @scrottie | laggy laggy lag lag lag lag | 22:10 |
| h2oliu | Oh well. I'm mucking about the UI, seeing what I can find. I just want to create a message. | 22:10 |
| @scrottie | Western Union betta watch out! at this rate, T-Mobile is going to put them out of business by the time 6G or 7G comes out. | 22:11 |
| @scrottie | another option would be to go into Settings and turn off the requirement (whatever it is called, I forget) that you can only send PMs to friends. | 22:11 |
| h2oliu | Thanks. I'll look at that. | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | seriously, T-Mobile makes me pine for the good old days of the 300 baud modem. I could style stuff and virtually instantly see it appear on my screen! w00t! it was like magic! | 22:12 |
| @scrottie | I wonder what five minutes for a sentence translates into, baudwise. prob ably about 4. | 22:13 |
| @scrottie | using remote servers in Australia back when they had one 64kbps link for the entire country was faster than this. | 22:14 |
| @scrottie | okay, that's a lie, but it still reminds me of that. | 22:14 |
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| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r5f4099a / wre/sbin/democleanup.pl : democleanup needs to restart starman after cleaning config files. - http://git.io/giRifQ | 00:48 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9f27f7a / wre/sbin/wre.psgi : PSGI file for the WRE, that also handles the demo system if enabled. - http://git.io/o5ZMtA | 01:08 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rea9efdb / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : WRE::Starman needs to use the WRE's psgi file, instead of WebGUI's - http://git.io/PVpR7w | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | hang onto your shorts, everyone. It's time to test the demo server | 01:08 |
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| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rbcf2e21 / wre/var/setupfiles/demo.nginx : Never have logged demo activity in modproxy. - http://git.io/BpnPmw | 01:31 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2b952b7 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Correct path to wre.psgi. - http://git.io/P-AYTA | 01:48 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6e80518 / wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh : Need to know how to find WRE libraries for the wre.psgi - http://git.io/a-5h6w | 01:52 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r36035e3 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Fix a missing object arg stack shift. - http://git.io/InXlpA | 02:05 |
| CIA-66 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r179fca5 / wre/sbin/wre.psgi : Make sure we mount an app, not an object. - http://git.io/K0fjKg | 02:05 |
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| +BartJol | mm, any ideas how a file pile upload could cause a mysql max_alllowed_packet error (an error that the packet was greater than max_alllowed_packet) | 17:06 |
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| CIA-43 | webgui: David Delikat WebGUI8 * r2ac222f / (245 files in 90 dirs): Merge remote branch 'main/WebGUI8' into WebGUI8 - http://git.io/RpGGtw | 18:10 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: David Delikat WebGUI8 * red6594f / (4 files in 4 dirs): change metaData_values.value from char(255) to varchar(1024) - http://git.io/as419Q | 18:10 |
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| doc_gt7 | Hello friends. I hope I can explain this question correctly... Is it possible to pass a list of variables from a macro to an HTML Template, maybe using the template variables. Or should I generate the HTML to return inside the macro itself? I am trying to pass the same list of vars onto a "blue" template, or a "green" template ect... I would like to know the best method to use with this. Thank you :) | 18:26 |
| @daviddelikat | are you calling a macro ( ^macro(); ) in the template and hoping to put data into variables that change the way the template renders? | 18:29 |
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| doc_gt7 | More like a button that you click and it queries and then displays the data on another page, varied by the option they choose. Trying to explain it better. :) | 18:31 |
| doc_gt7 | If they choose style A, display on a green page. If they choose style B, display on a blue page. | 18:32 |
| doc_gt7 | Say I have a green and a blue page. When the macro calls it, can you pass the list of vars to the page? Or do I need to create the "page" in the macro. | 18:33 |
| @daviddelikat | it sounds like you want to have user selectable css | 18:35 |
| doc_gt7 | From a macro... | 18:35 |
| @daviddelikat | what does the macro do? | 18:36 |
| @daviddelikat | you mentioned user interaction. | 18:37 |
| @daviddelikat | is it a form or a link | 18:37 |
| @daviddelikat | generally all that can be done from a macro is to inject text into the html document | 18:37 |
| doc_gt7 | There is db record displayed with a button for Details. When you click the button it queries the database for the details. One of the fields is a "style". I need the macro to display the information using that "style template". Hope this helps.... | 18:37 |
| doc_gt7 | If it was A display on green... if it was B display on blue... | 18:39 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r202d073 / app.psgi : use Plack::Util instead of relying on someone leaking it. - http://git.io/rXQ_-w | 18:39 |
| doc_gt7 | I am not sure that what I want to do is possible. But usually with WebGui it is.... :) | 18:39 |
| @daviddelikat | I think you are going to have to do this as part of your template code | 18:42 |
| @daviddelikat | a macro could change which css gets loaded based on a parameter | 18:42 |
| @daviddelikat | but that is about it | 18:42 |
| doc_gt7 | Ah, so the HTML template could be manipulated from the macro.... But how would you pass the param to it? | 18:43 |
| @daviddelikat | macro syntax is pretty simple: ^name(params); | 18:45 |
| @daviddelikat | but if the data is in a template variable you have to do it like this: | 18:46 |
| ckotil | do templates process macros? | 18:46 |
| @daviddelikat | ^name( [% mydata.var %]); | 18:46 |
| @daviddelikat | no it is a side process in webgui that can be turned off | 18:47 |
| @daviddelikat | each macro available is defined in the config file | 18:47 |
| doc_gt7 | Is it possible to pass info FROM the Macro TO the HTML Template? I have written several macros so I under stand how to call them. I appreciate the help with it though! :) | 18:49 |
| doc_gt7 | If style eq 'A' return.... | 18:50 |
| @scrottie | doc_gt7, I've been doing something like that with wG7 and I'm told it's a lot easier in 8 | 18:55 |
| doc_gt7 | We are on 7.10.23-stable | 18:56 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: David Delikat master * r57bef51 / (2543 files in 266 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/webgui - http://git.io/Y19giw | 18:57 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: David Delikat master * rc76f12d / (4 files in 4 dirs): change metaData_values.value from char(255) to varchar(1024) - http://git.io/0Mc9gA | 18:57 |
| @scrottie | I'm monkey patching a handful of methods: WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::processStyle, WebGUI::Session::Style::userStyle, WebGUI::Account::getStyleTemplateId, some others | 18:57 |
| sbaur | could you just use a template toolkit template to switch based on the value of some field that the button press chooses in the profile or session scratch or something? | 18:57 |
| @scrottie | then they do other things than pull straight from a setting. you could do $session->user->get('some_profile_field_that_has_their_styleId') or something. | 18:57 |
| sbaur | or even a FormParam? | 18:58 |
| @scrottie | sbaur, could, but sometimes people yell at you if you do style stuff past <head>...</head>. | 18:58 |
| * sbaur dons flamesuit | 18:59 | |
| @scrottie | anyway, I can't comment on what would be best for your needs, but it just so happens that that's what I've been up to | 18:59 |
| * scrottie shrugs | 18:59 | |
| doc_gt7 | I guess I need to be able to at least switch the CSS from the macro. I can pass any field that I want to it. Like if I call the HTML Template with style = A then if would need to be able to switch the style... | 19:00 |
| doc_gt7 | Can a macro pass a FormParam to a page? | 19:00 |
| @daviddelikat | it seems to me the best solution would be insert the macro into the css tag | 19:01 |
| doc_gt7 | I will give it a go and see what happens... :) | 19:02 |
| @daviddelikat | inside the tag use src='^getstyle( [% stylename %] );' | 19:02 |
| doc_gt7 | I could call that page with id=14 and then have a small macro to ^getstyle( [% 14 %] );' I guess. It should work :) | 19:04 |
| sbaur | good luck doc! | 19:04 |
| doc_gt7 | Thanks for the pointers everyone :) | 19:05 |
| haarg | in webgui 8 you can do [% USE Macro; IF macro.FormField("blah"); %] | 21:41 |
| haarg | which brings up a potential security issue if the Env macro is enabled | 21:42 |
| haarg | in 8 env is a psgi env, and will have a lot more in it that shouldn't be able to be called from a template | 21:43 |
| haarg | might be best if the env macro stringified its return value | 21:44 |
| haarg | at least it's not enabled by default | 21:44 |
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| doc_gt7 | Thanks haarg. I have found a work around for it by designing the page with the CSS in the header. Call that page with page?id=xx and then having a small macro embedded in the page where needed which gets the details for id=xx. Seems to be working pretty well... | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | doc_gt7++ | 22:22 |
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| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b3f91e / (WebGUI-Session-Plack.pm asset_status.ods): Remove old files. - http://git.io/DimEUg | 00:40 |
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| eiro | hello all | 19:58 |
| eiro | yes n| wg-testEnvironment &> /tmp/e allmost clean | 19:58 |
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| eiro | http://pastebin.com/nXyBXTRB | 20:55 |
| eiro | (after dirty packaging/hybriding debian squeeze, no cpan used) | 20:56 |
| eiro | do i have to be afraid ? | 20:56 |
| @scrottie | hi erio. I don't like that one warning but you may never trip over it even if it is an error. | 20:58 |
| @scrottie | might be worth updating POE. | 20:58 |
| eiro | ok | 21:11 |
| eiro | i really want to achieve the install tonight: i would like to run the next french perl workshop site with webgui | 21:12 |
| eiro | (and make a talk about it) | 21:12 |
| eiro | outch... server is frozen | 21:17 |
| eiro | service apache2 start don't give the hand back | 21:32 |
| eiro | http://pastebin.com/F9HvMKve < my conf | 21:40 |
| eiro | (spectre isn't running yet) | 21:40 |
| @scrottie | spectre not running yet shouldn't keep apache from starting | 21:41 |
| @scrottie | you're doing the wre install? | 21:41 |
| eiro | nope: i used the debian one, following the README file | 21:42 |
| eiro | launched wg-testEnvironement: seems ok | 21:42 |
| @scrottie | let me see if I can find a copy of that online | 21:42 |
| eiro | trying to find a debug flag (i'm perl developper) | 21:42 |
| eiro | copy of ? | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | the README that comes with the Debian WebGUI package | 21:43 |
| eiro | oh ... w8: i push it on my website ;:) | 21:43 |
| @scrottie | http://packages.debian.org/search?mode=filename&suite=squeeze§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=webgui ... am I doing this wrong? | 21:44 |
| @scrottie | "w8"? | 21:44 |
| @scrottie | ah, I have to tell it "sid" | 21:45 |
| eiro | http://khatar.phear.org/wg.txt | 21:45 |
| eiro | scrottie, w8 > wait | 21:46 |
| eiro | scrottie, it isn't sid: it's a squeeze based, hybrided | 21:46 |
| eiro | dh-make-perl the missing packages | 21:46 |
| eiro | i don't think the pb is perl related: i've just a hate/hate relationship with apache | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | none of the squeeze links on package.debian.org pull it up. | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | agreed, re: Apache. | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | you might consider running wG8. | 21:47 |
| @scrottie | there's no Debian package for it yet, but aside from mysql, all of the deps are just perl and perl modules. | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | Plack based. | 21:48 |
| eiro | this is for a production site: i can't use an unstable code :( | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | that's kind of a chicken and egg thing. | 21:48 |
| @scrottie | no one is going to use it for production code until other people use it for production code. | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | but PlainBlack uses it for production sites already. | 21:49 |
| eiro | scrottie, i thought it was still alpha | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | the core is pretty good. the admin is reasonably good. various assets (apps built on top of it) are less well tested. | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | it is. | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | the beta test is waiting on the wre for it. | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | which it doesn't absolutely need. | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | so PlainBlack is running alpha software. | 21:50 |
| eiro | my dream was: wg8 + plack + postgresql | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | postgresql is my dream, too. | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | hopefully I'll get some free time after the current project I'm on. | 21:51 |
| eiro | if you think wg8 code is stable enougth for a production site, just tell me: i try to set it up now! | 21:51 |
| @scrottie | okay, I've got the README.Debian. | 21:53 |
| @scrottie | eiro: how much time do you have to get the site running? if you have a little time, I'd do wG8. that would allow time for us to fix any serious bugs that come up in testing. | 21:54 |
| @scrottie | at least three of us here will stop what we're doing to fix a serious problem with wG8 if one comes up. | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | honestly, it's probably easier to get wG8 doing what you want than 7, just because of mod_perl/apache. | 21:55 |
| eiro | scrottie, i have to set up 2 sites in few days ... say everything should be up tuesday | 21:55 |
| @scrottie | hrm. | 21:55 |
| eiro | ok | 21:56 |
| eiro | i'm more confortable with plack too! | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | up to you. not sure which course is better in that case. | 21:56 |
| eiro | i stop apache right now | 21:56 |
| @scrottie | the really important thing with wG8 is that you *must* run upgrades even though it's a new install. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | if upgrades don't run for a while, it won't work. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | there should be lots of output from the upgrades. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | it comes with a 7.x.x database and upgrades it to 8.x | 21:57 |
| eiro | scrottie, as i said: i was afraid of a code moving too fast: if you can point me on a wg8 branch that is stable enought, i'll set it up and try to fix things by myself | 21:58 |
| eiro | (i prefer to search for perl errors than apache config ones :) ) | 21:58 |
| @scrottie | eiro: wG8 isn't in rapid development any more. it's just bugfixes for a while. | 21:58 |
| @scrottie | eiro: but you still have to do the upgrade process when you install it. | 21:58 |
| eiro | so do i have to use "master" ? | 21:59 |
| eiro | any chance to use pg ? | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | check out the WebGUI8 branch... git clone git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 21:59 |
| eiro | ok | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | no pg support yet. sorry =| I hope to do that one of these days, though. | 21:59 |
| eiro | (already cloned: just have to set the branch) | 21:59 |
| eiro | no pb... was just a dream :) | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | WebGUI8/docs/install.txt is the install instructions | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | the readme has a short version | 22:00 |
| @scrottie | mysql is a frequent source of problems in production, too, so it's not just for uesrs who want Pg. I want Pg for production. | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | use a different database name than you were starting to use in 7, then if wG8 install goes wrong, you can go back to trying 7. just a thought. | 22:01 |
| @scrottie | ImageMagick is also often a problem. | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | I'm going to run an errand here. back later. | 22:02 |
| @scrottie | hrm, the install docs don't tell you where to get wgd, it looks like. get it from here: http://haarg.org/wgd | 22:03 |
| @scrottie | you need that to run upgrades. | 22:03 |
| eiro | fuck! perl 5.12 required! | 22:04 |
| eiro | i have to use perlbrew | 22:04 |
| @scrottie | eek. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | you may find installing all of the modules for wG8 too difficult. | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | I don't think all of the modules install cleanly. | 22:05 |
| eiro | or maby switch to wheezy | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | you have to use cpanm --force and fix various dumb things. | 22:05 |
| eiro | scrottie, are the deps very different from wg7 ? | 22:05 |
| @scrottie | there are a few more deps but not many. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | mostly it's the same. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | if you were able to install everything for wG7, you should be okay. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | but most people have trouble with that. | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | http://search.cpan.org/~rizen/Task-WebGUI-2.0000/lib/Task/WebGUI.pm ... | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | cpanm Task::WebGUI # this might do the trick | 22:06 |
| @scrottie | or it might blow up. | 22:07 |
| @scrottie | afk a bit. | 22:07 |
| eiro | ok ... i switch to wheezy: it will ease the things | 22:07 |
| eiro | you might announce on your corporate website that WG8 is almost ready | 22:14 |
| eiro | wg-testEnvironement don't exist anymore ? | 22:15 |
| eiro | gotcha : testEnvironement.pl (from the install.txt) | 22:16 |
| eiro | where are you from, scrottie (i would like to figure out what time is it for you) | 22:38 |
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| @scrottie | eiro, United States, central timezone, currently. | 00:23 |
| @scrottie | it's 4:23pm | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | we're doing projects around the house here. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | as soon as the wre for wG is done, perlDreamer plans to announce the beta for wG8. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | er, the wre for wG8 is done, perlDreamer plans to announce the beta for wG8. | 00:24 |
| @scrottie | but if you're happy to install your own mysql and perl modules, you don't need the wre. | 00:25 |
| @scrottie | the wre just makes it easier for non-technical users. | 00:25 |
| eiro | i'm writting missing debian packages right now, aptitude install libtask-webgui-perl almost working | 00:32 |
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| eiro | seems Plack::Middleware::Debug is harder to package :) | 00:49 |
| eiro | have to sleep: have a good night | 00:50 |
| @scrottie | g'night eiro | 01:47 |
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| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r02bb3a9 / (docs/gotcha.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Template::Toolkit is no longer an optional dependency for WebGUI. - http://git.io/DrqSmQ | 07:47 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rae2db8f / wre/sbin/wre.psgi : mount paths need an http, and have to start with / - http://git.io/5ovLgw | 08:19 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9d737a7 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Paths start with a leading slash. - http://git.io/ZXdtdg | 08:25 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r11028b8 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Finish transition to locally created response, instead of reponse objects stored in $self. - http://git.io/yGYsfg | 08:32 |
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| ckotil | Is it possible to change the order of asset fields? via overrides? | 20:53 |
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| @scrottie | ckotil, be more specific? what are you looking at that you want to change? | 21:21 |
| @scrottie | is this in view, or edit, and for any asset in particular...? | 21:21 |
| ckotil | edit | 21:35 |
| @scrottie | any asset in particular? | 21:44 |
| ckotil | no, im using asset fields and tabs in the config to move some things around, and i was wondering if it's possibel to reorder the fields. | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | the built-in assets generally don't let you specify a template for the edit screen, though they really probably should. | 21:45 |
| @scrottie | you could subclass them and add this feature in the subclass, though. | 21:45 |
| ckotil | I think we're talking about different things | 21:47 |
| ckotil | in the webgui config, under the "assets" section;category, isContainer, addGroup, uiLevel, fields, tabs. fiels and tabs offer a lot of useful overrides, but i cant figure out how to redorder the fields. i can move fields to differnet tabs, which is great. | 21:49 |
| ckotil | for example, moved keywords and summary to the properties tab out of metadata. and lowered the UI level so that my users see it right away without clicking to another tab | 21:49 |
| @scrottie | we're talking about different things because I asked you three questions to get clarification and you answered one of them. | 21:57 |
| @scrottie | until I went off and guessed and then you elaborated. | 21:58 |
| ckotil | more like 6 questions | 21:59 |
| ckotil | 4? | 21:59 |
| ckotil | anyway. | 21:59 |
| @scrottie | I'm not aware of any feature to do that... reorder where the auto-generated edit forms put different fields. sorry. | 22:01 |
| ckotil | k | 22:11 |
| @scrottie | though, if you wanted to resort to code, templates for the edit screens would technically work ;) | 22:12 |
| ckotil | yeah, and that would be awesome | 22:16 |
| ckotil | one rumor I heard about wg8 a few years ago were templateable edit screens, which i took to mean inline edits | 22:17 |
| @scrottie | "inline edits"? | 22:20 |
| ckotil | yeah, edit an asset without leaving the page | 22:21 |
| @scrottie | ah. no, those wouldn't necessarily be the same thing, but since wG8 does everything over AJAX, that could be implemented. | 22:22 |
| @scrottie | with a bit of glue. | 22:23 |
| ckotil | yeah, probably better that way | 22:23 |
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| @scrottie | http://www.jorgecastro.org/blog/2012/02/13/your-search-sucks/ | 19:06 |
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| ckotil | What asset does blog.webgui.org use? | 20:59 |
| sbaur | tumblr | 21:02 |
| ckotil | ah, ok. anything built into webgui that i could fake a blog with ? | 21:03 |
| ckotil | reading htis now http://www.webgui.org/use/community-wiki/blogs | 21:05 |
| @scrottie | ckotil, I think people usually use the "Community" asset for that | 21:12 |
| ckotil | alrigth cool, ill start there. thanks | 21:12 |
| @scrottie | sure. | 21:13 |
| eiro | hello all | 21:46 |
| eiro | scrottie, libfacebook-graph-perl is the last missing of my packaging: i guess it's optionnal, right ? | 21:47 |
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| @scrottie | hi eiro | 23:59 |
| @scrottie | yeah, unless you use Facebook authentication | 23:59 |
| @scrottie | you may have to comment out a "use" line to get stuff to load | 23:59 |
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| eiro | just let a comment on the blog: the equivs saved me lot of cpu time :) | 00:31 |
| eiro | (is it a start of wg8 debianization ?) | 00:31 |
| eiro | http://khatar.phear.org/webguideps | 00:31 |
| eiro | as i said: dirty but it helps ( combined with cpanm Task::WebGUI ) | 00:32 |
| haarg | eiro: something like https://metacpan.org/module/Debian::Apt::PM might be helpful for that | 00:37 |
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| @scrottie | equivs? | 00:47 |
| @scrottie | ah. between CPAN module names and Debian packages. | 00:48 |
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| eiro | i used dh-make-perl. thanks for the link :) | 01:04 |
| eiro | have a good (night|day) everyone | 01:05 |
| @scrottie | cheers, eiro | 01:10 |
| @scrottie | I need a \) for Perl. | 01:19 |
| haarg | i know at one point someone made a patch to CPAN.pm to automatically use debian packages if possible | 01:21 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r80ec20b / lib/WebGUI/Cache/CHI.pm : Fix a typo in a used module name. - http://git.io/fXoiZQ | 01:29 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r82554ad / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make sure that HttpProxy cleans up after itself when purging assets or revisions. - http://git.io/IC-FAQ | 01:30 |
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| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * re86b7bb / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/FlatDiscount.pm : Fix the FlatDiscount, so that it actually discounts all the time. - http://git.io/_9dbOA | 18:32 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * raa76dc5 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document the bug fix for the flat discount asset. - http://git.io/u-8G0w | 18:32 |
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| eiro | hello folk! | 21:01 |
| haarg | greetings | 21:01 |
| eiro | any way to make wgd run out of the webgui root ? | 21:02 |
| haarg | not sure what you mean | 21:02 |
| eiro | well. the code is in jp12/code, i'm in jp12 and i would like to launch something like | 21:03 |
| eiro | WEBGUIROOT=code wgd update --reloads | 21:03 |
| eiro | well ... pehaps it's overkill | 21:04 |
| haarg | WEBGUI_ROOT env variable, or --webgui-root= parameter | 21:04 |
| eiro | i'll write a wrapper | 21:04 |
| eiro | oh cool \o/ | 21:04 |
| haarg | wgd should have pretty comprehensive docs | 21:04 |
| haarg | wgd --help, wgd commands, wgd intro, wgd help <command> | 21:05 |
| eiro | agrhhh ... but the upload directory is relative to root | 21:06 |
| eiro | that's what i want to avoid | 21:06 |
| haarg | there should be two uploads directories | 21:07 |
| haarg | there is the one that is part of the webgui core, and is used to create a site | 21:07 |
| haarg | your site itself should have its own copy of the uploads that are just for that site | 21:07 |
| haarg | and the path to that is set in your site's config file | 21:07 |
| eiro | what i would like is: | 21:09 |
| eiro | http://pastebin.com/bqs2GgNU | 21:09 |
| eiro | (on every site, code is a symlink to the good version of webgui) | 21:09 |
| eiro | goto KITCHEN; | 21:10 |
| eiro | brb; | 21:10 |
| haarg | a symlink to lib or webgui root? | 21:19 |
| haarg | and how are you going to run this? | 21:19 |
| haarg | webgui 8 still makes assumptions about the locations of files. it's all contained in WebGUI::Paths though, and should be possible to make it more flexible pretty easily. | 21:19 |
| eiro | a symlink to ... actually i don't know :) | 21:31 |
| eiro | i tried the webgui root | 21:31 |
| eiro | my goal is to run sites with different versions of webgui without having a git clone by site | 21:32 |
| eiro | ok. so i'll run the urgents sites with copies of code | 21:33 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rfc31c5c / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Force a known good location for spectre pid files to be written. - http://git.io/iBGkrA | 01:48 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r59d6148 / wre/sbin/democleanup.pl : fix a typo in the democleanup script - http://git.io/vDTyOw | 01:50 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r38fe8e0 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Remove unused line. - http://git.io/xKQqqg | 02:13 |
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| elnino | GRR this is driving me NUTS. Is there a way I can search assets in the metadata field there is a reference to a CSS file in one of my assets and I can't find it. | 19:44 |
| elnino | oh. I'll just do a sql query | 19:49 |
| sbaur | something like select url from assetData where assetId in (select distinct assetId from metaData_values where value like '%css_file%'); | 19:51 |
| sbaur | at least that would work against 7.6.x :-) | 19:51 |
| elnino | YAY I found it! Thanks | 19:55 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r219c523 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Need to check the path instead of the host for the demo name. - http://git.io/Doxa0w | 21:16 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r434df47 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Fix command line param for start_server - http://git.io/p0P8gw | 21:16 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r45cf7f8 / wre/etc/wre.conf : Correct path for the WebGUI 8 create SQL. - http://git.io/nJ5KHw | 21:24 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 22:43 |
| SquOnk | Happy new year and everything that's said in these cases :) | 22:44 |
| haarg | greetings | 22:44 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0337d6a / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : try running the app instead of calling it. - http://git.io/MI5J6w | 23:36 |
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| elnino | howdy, is there a way to disable the notifications sent from a collaboration system while I make modifications? | 01:05 |
| haarg | have them on normally, but off for edits? | 01:06 |
| elnino | just temporarily. like for an hour. | 01:06 |
| elnino | but I don't want the quied emails to send out either. | 01:06 |
| elnino | s/quied/queued | 01:07 |
| elnino | hi btw. | 01:07 |
| elnino | been awhile since I've chatted with you. | 01:07 |
| haarg | so there is an existing queue that you want to clear out? | 01:08 |
| elnino | no. | 01:08 |
| elnino | I just want to disable it before I do a bunch of edits, and tehn turn it back on when I'm done. | 01:09 |
| elnino | I wsa looking at scheduler, but I have a feeling thigns will get queued still. | 01:09 |
| haarg | yeah | 01:09 |
| haarg | turning off notifications on the CSs is what comes to mind | 01:09 |
| elnino | will it "fill up" with emails that will send when I turn it back on? | 01:10 |
| haarg | if you edit the collab systems and tell them not to send out notifications it shouldn't, as long as that's where the setting is | 01:11 |
| haarg | i haven't used webgui outside the command line in a year or so :) | 01:11 |
| elnino | lol. | 01:11 |
| elnino | oh, I was looking at the admin->scheduler, let me see if there is a similar setting with the particular CS. I don't recall seeing one. | 01:12 |
| elnino | no such setting with the CS... I'll try the scheduler area. | 01:15 |
| haarg | settings in the scheduler probably aren't what you want | 01:17 |
| elnino | nope, you're right. | 01:19 |
| elnino | this stinks. | 01:19 |
| elnino | I don't have access to this computer, so I can't clear the queue. | 01:19 |
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| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r3b544ee / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Fix a problem with fixing parents. Better handling of potential problems in File assets with no storage location. - http://git.io/56Ryjw | 03:27 |
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| elnino | haarg. I disabled "email" by removing the stmp settings inwebgui. It did prevent emails from going out, but when I put the settings back in, the test email sent out. Where is that queue? is it in webgui's db somewhere? | 05:29 |
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| elnino | anyone here know how to clearthe email queue? | 08:41 |
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| elnino | is there a way to increase the size of the summary that shows up on a collaboration system? | 19:42 |
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| elnino | is there a way to increase the size of the summary that shows up on a collaboration system? | 06:19 |
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| elnino | how dos one clear the email queue? | 01:36 |
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| elnino | any one done mobile -optimized sites with webgui? | 16:06 |
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| elnino | has anyone done a mobile-optimzied site with webgui? | 18:08 |
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| +BartJol | elnino: not me | 18:27 |
| +BartJol | good luck | 18:28 |
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| elnino | lol Thanks BartJol. | 18:30 |
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| elnino | hey! is there a way to attach additiona information to an image asset? | 05:17 |
| elnino | im all ready using the summary field. | 05:18 |
| elnino | and it needs to be accessible to file folder template. Would meta data work? | 05:19 |
| elnino | bless you. aparantly they are! | 05:21 |
| elnino | oh bu tthey don't work. | 05:26 |
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| @scrottie | accessible to the file folder template... I'd have to read code | 05:44 |
| @scrottie | are you still working on this? | 05:44 |
| @scrottie | looks like these things get set from children of the folder: id canView title menuTitle synopsis size date.epoch icon.small icon.big type extension url canEdit controls | 05:46 |
| @scrottie | oh, then images get isImage=1 and thumbnail.url | 05:47 |
| @scrottie | and File assets get a couple of things | 05:47 |
| @scrottie | it would be nice if it just fetched all of the template vars if a getTemplateVars method is available | 05:47 |
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| elnino | scrottie thanks for looking into this. Took a TV break. | 06:21 |
| elnino | It'd be really nice if ithis worked. | 06:21 |
| elnino | I really don't know much about metadata. I've asked manytimes, and it's always explained to me, but then I get all confused, never use them, wait 3 years, and think, "oh, I can use those" | 06:22 |
| elnino | and the cycle happens again. | 06:22 |
| elnino | so if they are supposed to be accessible, I can write a bug report. | 06:23 |
| elnino | oh. and what causes a "An error was encountered while processing your request."?? once in a while... I get this. | 06:25 |
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| @scrottie | elnino, you're more than welcome to file an RFE. not sure if this is a bug or an RFE. it doesn't look like metadata is being used here. again, if it were to call getTemplateVars when available in the child asset, that would gather up everything | 07:33 |
| @scrottie | and you could always roll up a patch for yourself, test it, and send a pull request for it =) | 07:33 |
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| @khenn | afternoon! | 20:17 |
| elnino | hi! | 20:23 |
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| elnino | I wanted to disable email, and the only way I could figure out how to do that was to remove the "localhost" setting. Now I would like to make sure the email queue is empty. Where can i find that? is it in a database? or where? | 20:23 |
| haarg | select * from mailQueue | 20:27 |
| elnino | ooh!!! Thank you haarg!! | 20:29 |
| elnino | haarg - what is inInbox" field for? do I delete those too? | 20:34 |
| haarg | i don't quite remember | 20:35 |
| elnino | sorry, isInbox | 20:35 |
| elnino | ok that's fine. | 20:36 |
| elnino | all is good. Thanks haarg! I'll do a wiki. | 20:38 |
| ckotil | it appears keyword metadata is updated outside of version tags. today i added keywords to an asset that was under | 21:52 |
| ckotil | version control. then had to rollback that commit. well the keyswords i added remaind | 21:52 |
| haarg | correct | 21:53 |
| ckotil | k | 21:57 |
| ckotil | just checking | 21:57 |
| sbaur | I opened an rfe for this last year. see http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/12255 | 23:05 |
| ckotil | nice | 23:24 |
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| elnino | this place used to be busseling. why so quiet? | 01:49 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r08e4ffe / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : SCRIPT_NAME has to start with a slash. - http://git.io/6aoxOQ | 02:12 |
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| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * ra552e9d / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Too many slashes makes Gooey an unhappy URL to asset resolver. - http://git.io/RXGF5g | 03:55 |
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| carogray | Hi y'all. On WebGUI 7.9.25, is there some issue with pasting a shortcut child to a shorcut parent? We have a shortcut to masslegalhelp.org/income-benefits/taxes (a page layout) on masslegalhelp.org/employment-unemployment (another page layout) - didn't display shortcut in page layout, but did check show in navigation. In the English, I then have 3 more shortcuts to the income-benefits tax pages, 'under' the shortcutted taxes page in " | 19:21 |
| carogray | Did we manage to do something in a previous version that we can no longer do? | 19:21 |
| carogray | Am I doing something obviously wrong? or last resort is this a bug in this version of WebGUI? | 19:22 |
| @scrottie | I think "child" and "parent" might be throwing me. you're not adding a shortcut under a shortcut in the asset tree, are you? | 19:24 |
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| sbaur | carogray, i'm not running that new a version of wg, but did you try duplicating it in demo? it's running 7.9.34 | 19:24 |
| +danny_mk | hello everyone, is preaction or anyone that uses the WebGUI::Auth::Facebook module in the room? | 19:25 |
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| @scrottie | not following. I'd want to see a nopaste with a list of assets involved, their url, and their parent's url. | 19:32 |
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| @scrottie | heya h2oliu. | 20:04 |
| h2oliu | Hello | 20:04 |
| carogray | susan: thanks - it doesn't work in the demo, so it looks as though it was something we managed to sneak in a while back. | 20:10 |
| carogray | thanks for the reminder of ways we can use the demo! | 20:11 |
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| carogray | ok - then what happens to a shortcut when you are in clipboard through the asset manager, either your own or the system one, and you "Restore" something. I get what delete is, but how can you "restore" a shortcut you have created? It disappeared, but did it go somewhere? | 20:22 |
| @scrottie | if you're at /foo/bar?op=assetManager, it should go into /foo/bar | 20:40 |
| @scrottie | or under ther | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg, I have a medium sized wgd problem | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | mysql 5.5 does not support legacy SQL syntax for creating tables, specifically the TYPE= syntax | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | it will only take ENGINE= | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and wgd sets the "crufty compatiblity flag" when creating dumps | 21:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | would you be cool with a patch that checked the version of WebGUI and skipped using that flag if we're using WebGUI 8? | 21:35 |
| haarg | yes, that sounds fine | 21:51 |
| haarg | iirc wgd does a bit of cleanup on the sql | 21:51 |
| carogray | thanks scrottie | 22:01 |
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| eiro | hello | 17:24 |
| @scrottie | hiya eiro | 17:24 |
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| eiro | hmm ... just seen in the wgd code: something magic about WEBGUI_SITENAME | 17:25 |
| @scrottie | huh? | 17:26 |
| eiro | scrottie, i'm still trying to setup multiple sites and trying to figure out how to organize files to do it. i want to write a patch for WebGUI::Paths -> be siteConfigs sensible to WEBGUI_CONFIGS | 17:29 |
| eiro | could be cool, don't you think ? | 17:29 |
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| @scrottie | multiple sites, one WebGUI? I think some work was done for 8 to make that a lot easier. | 17:41 |
| @scrottie | but I'd be happy to comment on code =) | 17:41 |
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| eiro | have to go: bbl | 17:44 |
| haarg | webgui has always worked with multiple sites | 17:46 |
| haarg | wgd assumes things are being used along the lines as webgui 7, with site configs all in webguiroot/etc | 17:47 |
| haarg | it tries to be compatible enough to not require that, but webgui 7 itself does | 17:47 |
| haarg | the WEBGUI_SITENAME thing in wgd is an alternative to specifying the WEBGUI_CONFIG file. it will search in etc for a site with the given name. | 17:48 |
| haarg | if there's anything about those docs that could stand to be clarified, let me know | 17:48 |
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| @scrottie | haarg, I'm not sure what eiro was proposing, but, specifically, I understand that it's easier to use one WebGUI8 to host two differently styled sites in 8 (with respect to userFunctionStyleId and so forth) | 17:54 |
| haarg | i don't remember anything in 8 that would make that different | 17:56 |
| haarg | aside from the codebase, different webgui sites on same server are entirely separate | 17:56 |
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| haarg | it's probably easier to run multiple codebases now | 17:56 |
| haarg | but that's just because starman is easier to run that mod_perl | 17:57 |
| @scrottie | it is easier to run multiple instances but I don't think that's what was being referred to. | 17:57 |
| @scrottie | this is also second hand, but people elude to problems of running wG7 out of somewhere other than /data. | 17:58 |
| * scrottie shrugs | 17:58 | |
| haarg | oh, yeah that's certainly the case | 17:58 |
| haarg | but that's not really related to having multiple sites | 17:58 |
| haarg | wg8 certainly makes it easier to reorganize the files | 17:58 |
| @scrottie | right. related to having multiple instances. | 17:58 |
| haarg | and WebGUI::Paths was meant to be a first step towards that | 17:59 |
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| @scrottie | here's the sum of the story from my end. I was surprised that it wasn't easier to have different sets of style templates for two different sites on wG7. perlDreamer remarked that changes in 8 make that easier. | 17:59 |
| @scrottie | right now, I have no idea what people are and aren't trying to accomplish when they host two domains on one site. | 18:00 |
| haarg | i had hoped to make it more flexible and allow easier manipulation to either use File::ShareDir or help with os packaging | 18:00 |
| haarg | hosting multiple domains on one site is a bit of a different issue. i wouldn't have expected 8 to improve that, but could easily be wrong. | 18:00 |
| @scrottie | the only other spec doc I saw for it, they wanted a magical same-site-except-when-they're-distinct that a human going over specific cases couldn't possibily even get right | 18:00 |
| @scrottie | ah, that would be interesting. | 18:01 |
| @scrottie | I'd love to see wG8 be entirely CPAN-able. | 18:01 |
| @scrottie | or at least a core of it. | 18:01 |
| haarg | i agree | 18:03 |
| @scrottie | but it's probably been a year since I've done anything on core. | 18:03 |
| haarg | i put a number of things into 8 to make that more possible, but there's still more stuff needed | 18:03 |
| haarg | getting a bunch of wgd stuff into it, as well as something similar to wre's addsite.pl | 18:04 |
| haarg | and getting WebGUI::Paths working with File::ShareDir | 18:04 |
| haarg | that's all the major stuff i know of | 18:04 |
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| eiro | back | 18:34 |
| @scrottie | heya eiro | 18:35 |
| eiro | i'm really confused about those values: as i asked: i want to have multiple sites without adding data in the git repository | 18:37 |
| haarg | for a site you need two things. you need a separate uploads directory (created by copying the one in the repo) and a config file. | 18:38 |
| @scrottie | eiro, ahh, I didn't even know what you were trying to accomplish, only which file you were proposing editing code in. | 18:38 |
| haarg | the config file lists paths to various things, including that uploads directory. | 18:38 |
| @scrottie | eiro, usually upload dirs for new sites are put in /data/domain/www.whatever.com/public/uploads | 18:39 |
| haarg | with webgui 8, technically that config file could be stored anywhere, but it's probably easiest to place in the etc dir. the log config file is required to be in that directory anyway. | 18:39 |
| eiro | is this patch naive ? http://pastebin.com/RP8rM0B3 | 18:40 |
| @scrottie | then /data/domains/www.whatever.com/public/extras is symlinked to /data/WebGUI/www/extras | 18:40 |
| haarg | so having them entirely outside the root directory would be rather painful. | 18:40 |
| haarg | ideally the concept of the 'root' directory wouldn't exist, but i had to make some compromises. | 18:41 |
| @scrottie | eiro, change "extrasPath" and "uploadsPath" in your new .conf to point to those two directories, and change "dsn" to point to the new database (oh, right, I'm sharing a database and uploads between multiple domains, but you probably don't want to) | 18:42 |
| @scrottie | ... and then load the create.sql into that new database, and then database users and... | 18:43 |
| @scrottie | if you're using the wre, there's a utility that does this stuff for you | 18:43 |
| eiro | scrottie, i'm scarred by the wre: i don't want it to create /data/* ... | 18:44 |
| haarg | eiro: why do you want to keep all the files our of the git checkout dir? | 18:44 |
| @scrottie | ah, so this is just all about finding hte config file for the current site! | 18:46 |
| @scrottie | whee! | 18:47 |
| eiro | haarg, because i don't want to do craps on the repo as i want to be abble to push contributed code | 18:48 |
| haarg | .gitignore should already be ignoring the config files | 18:48 |
| haarg | you can have the files in there without adding them to the repo | 18:49 |
| eiro | not there ... | 18:49 |
| haarg | etc/.gitignore | 18:49 |
| eiro | ooohhh | 18:51 |
| eiro | (i just learned something about git) | 18:52 |
| eiro | ok ... i launched one site (no time to make more) | 19:26 |
| eiro | oops! webgui-translations repo isn't related to webgui 8 ? | 19:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg, just sent you a malformed pull request | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | the feature branch was based on mine instead of yours | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | if you can't isolate the patch, then I'll send you a new one | 20:59 |
| haarg | looks like just the one commit, correct? | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | right, the last one is the important one | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I also thought about putting some is7 or is8 methods into version | 21:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but that seemed a little dangerous | 21:01 |
| haarg | i think it seems reasonable | 21:02 |
| haarg | perlDreamer: would you mind showing me the output without the --compatible=mysql40 option? i can't easily test it right now. | 21:03 |
| haarg | might want to omit the data section | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's pretty much s/TYPE=/ENGINE=/mg; | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's the part mysql was upset about | 21:04 |
| haarg | i remember there being a fair few other differences. maybe i'm mistaken. | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | let me do a diff | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | haarg: http://gist.github.com/1894446 | 21:15 |
| haarg | ok. the compatible=mysql40 was intended to also make the charset declarations simpler | 21:17 |
| haarg | it might be good to have wgd regex s/TYPE/ENGINE/ | 21:18 |
| haarg | it already has code to find the last line of the table declarations and add the CHARSET=utf8 | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I could test that, to see if only the s/TYPE/ENGINE/ fixes the loading problems on 5.5 | 21:25 |
| eiro | re | 22:05 |
| eiro | someone about the webgui8 translation? is webgui-translation the good repo ? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the right repo, eiro | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it always tracks the latest release of WebGUI | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and starting soon, it will be tracking WebGUI 8 instead of 7 | 23:01 |
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| eiro | > git branch -a | 23:11 |
| eiro | * master remotes/origin/HEAD -> origin/master remotes/origin/master | 23:11 |
| eiro | i don't see any wg8 related branch | 23:12 |
| haarg | it's been merged into master | 23:12 |
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| eiro | http://abef.mooo.com:8080/your_next_step | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | haarg, s/TYPE=/ENGINE=/ seems to have worked | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll refactor the patch to do a s/// instead of changing the options | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'll create the feature branch off of yours | 00:19 |
| CIA-43 | wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r252a50d / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.template : If the sitename does NOT have a www in it, then don't build the redirecting server. - http://git.io/AfDlKA | 00:54 |
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| CIA-43 | wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * ra418cbd / lib/WGDev/Command/Build.pm : Fix line ending processing by Build. - http://git.io/1heYCw | 07:26 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: david nicol webgui-7.10 * rff28ef9 / lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm : #13787 issue -- and general core repair - http://git.io/1dmUBA | 08:23 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r99fa73a / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document bugfix. - http://git.io/UPYUxA | 08:23 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * rd2f157d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/URL/Uploads.pm): Provide a fallback for contents of .wgaccess files. Fixes bug #12328 - http://git.io/B_9axA | 08:28 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r476b14f / (3 files in 2 dirs): Restore ability to edit ITransact and Ogone payment drivers. Ensure that all forms use CSRF tokens. - http://git.io/p4GD4w | 08:44 |
| CIA-43 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r04c902a / (7 files in 7 dirs): Add feature, redirect after logout. - http://git.io/upuOfQ | 09:07 |
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| nagadawa | i have been out of touch for a while, how far out is webgui 8? | 18:33 |
| nagadawa | I just noticed there is webgui8 vm, but it's not on the list to download. Is there another place I can download the vm and try it out? | 19:01 |
| @scrottie | nagadawa, wG8 is essentially ready for beta test | 19:18 |
| @scrottie | but it isn't being advertised heavily yet because the wre for it isn't quite finished | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer has been working on that | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | you don't need the wre to run it. it's easier to do the "source install" with wG8 than 7, by far. | 19:19 |
| @scrottie | the place to get it from is github. | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | it was in the WebGUI8 branch but I'm told that it's now in the 'master' branch, so you should be able to just 'git clone' the git:// link on that page and then go through the setup/upgrade process. | 19:20 |
| @scrottie | make sure the upgrades run! if you don't see a bunch of output and it doesn't take a while, they didn't run, and it won't work. | 19:21 |
| * scrottie & | 19:22 | |
| nagadawa | thank you scrottie, I have heavily used webgui7 and loved it. I'm looking forward to seeing webgui8. | 19:36 |
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| elnino | hi! | 23:48 |
| haarg | greetings | 23:48 |
| elnino | is there a way to disable outgoing updates from one collaboration system and not another? I see no settings. =( maybe there is a workflow.. hmm. | 23:48 |
| elnino | btw, thanks for your help haarg last time, I disabled ALL emails by removing "localhost" and then deleting the itmes in the database. | 23:49 |
| elnino | then put the localhost back. | 23:49 |
| haarg | i don't remember what all the settings on CSs are, sorry | 23:49 |
| elnino | I suppose I can get rid of the "subscribe link" from the template. | 23:50 |
| sbaur | elnino: people may be autosubscribed when they post so that's something else to check for | 23:55 |
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| elnino | good point. but I believe others can't post at this time. | 23:56 |
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