WebGUI irc logs from: 2012-01.log

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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9921e41 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : Change the nginx error log name. - http://git.io/ZNDxbg	02:04
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9cccbd2 / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.logrotate : Add rotate rules for nginx, wremonitor. Fix template variable naming. - http://git.io/EDBI7A	02:04
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2ae6991 / (wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf): Add explicit access and error logs for starman, and set number of workers via wre.conf - http://git.io/hjUxPA	02:04
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r256adc3 / wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl : Update wreconsole to create the wre.logrotate file - http://git.io/ji6S0w	02:11
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r03a2242 / (lib/WebGUI.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl share/site.psgi): Add native size limiting to WebGUI via plack. This is no longer a WRE specific feature. - http://git.io/rwUKSQ	05:01
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r43a7652 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Start pruning modperl content. - http://git.io/Ta23eA	05:03
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9f5e96a / wre/lib/WRE/Modperl.pm : More modperl cleanup. - http://git.io/W8gDAQ	05:26
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r55e8c04 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Modproxy cleanup. - http://git.io/kAfhjA	05:26
mducharme	Happy New Year	08:00
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re6cb511 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : We don't depend on starman. - http://git.io/K3WPgw	17:23
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r5d89201 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Add a missing test requirement. - http://git.io/clqKbw	18:21
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r4b0cb83 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Update dist.ini for WebGUI 8 - http://git.io/0zyqIw	22:12
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r6a6f839 / (11 files): Remove Class::C3 from the asset helpers, since they don't use it. - http://git.io/bzw32w	00:14
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r61e1705 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Response.pm : Remove empty comments and fix POD. - http://git.io/J60P8g	00:14
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r64d2f53 / (build.sh getsource.sh): Update to a version that downloads - http://git.io/wuSioA	01:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: JT Smith master * r6af04cc / (24 files in 8 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of github.com:plainblack/wrebuild - http://git.io/FXa-yA	02:17
CIA-47	wrebuild: JT Smith master * r687098d / build.sh : fixed hardcode path - http://git.io/l6aSMg	02:17
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2387c1e / build.sh : No more gif switch needed for ImageMagick. - http://git.io/8bxyKQ	02:20
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4eed008 / docs/gotcha.txt : Document some more gotchas. - http://git.io/j415Jw	06:15
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd31137c / lib/WebGUI/Macro/UsersOnline.pm : Remove a misleading comment - http://git.io/-sgCjQ	16:02
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	16:52
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+BartJol	howdy Colin and all the best for the new year	17:03
+BartJol	btw do you still need an nginx conf file? we have one for wg7 that works, not sure whether that would do for wg8	17:05
+BartJol	perlDreamer: ?	17:07
+perlDreamer	sorry, /me was afk	17:33
+perlDreamer	I think I have nginx worked out, but I'd love to see what you have BartJol	17:33
+BartJol	ah	17:34
+perlDreamer	BartJol, does your nginx config handle the static uploads? I wasn't able to figure that part out	17:35
+BartJol	ah, well that is in that conf	17:37
+BartJol	that was one of the trickiest parts, I just fixed today\	17:37
+BartJol	should be in your mail	17:37
+BartJol	I believe I took references for env specific stuff out	17:38
+BartJol	off course the forwarding port should be according with Plack/starman	17:39
+BartJol	5000 is default I believe	17:39
+BartJol	but you'' know that better than I	17:40
+perlDreamer	I believe it is 5000	17:40
+perlDreamer	but in WRE 8, it's part of the wre config	17:40
+perlDreamer	so you can set it to what you like	17:40
+perlDreamer	I like that you turned off logging for the IIS stuff	17:41
+perlDreamer	but what is the "alive" location?	17:41
+BartJol	ah	17:41
+BartJol	sorry, env	17:41
+BartJol	that is for thethe loadblancing	17:41
+perlDreamer	gotcha	17:41
haarg	it's 5000 by default for plackup, but i'd probably pick something else for the wre	17:41
+BartJol	you can leave that out	17:42
+BartJol	well, since that conf is for wg7, it still contains 8081	17:42
+BartJol	well parts of it aren't mine, but I hope it helps	17:44
+perlDreamer	it does, a lot! thanks man!	17:44
+perlDreamer	Do you have any WebGUI 8 specific questions that I can answer BartJol? I could use a couple of extra blog topics	17:44
+BartJol	If you notice anything that is broken, please notify. We had some problems with wgaccess files	17:45
+BartJol	well... does wg8 work with a broken slave sql server :P	17:45
haarg	perlDreamer, is the wre using a wrapping .psgi file?	17:46
+perlDreamer	no, haarg	17:46
+perlDreamer	to be honest, I've spent all my time up to this point redesigning the WRE	17:46
+perlDreamer	and I haven't even tested it yet	17:46
+perlDreamer	hopefully, that will be today or tomorrow	17:47
+perlDreamer	pending support, broken servers, chats with JT, meetings with Jamie, etc.	17:47
haarg	there were some things that were left out of the default psgi setup because they are environment specific	17:47
haarg	particularly the ReverseProxy middleware	17:47
haarg	also, regarding uploaded files	17:48
haarg	https://github.com/rack/rack-contrib/blob/master/lib/rack/contrib/sendfile.rb	17:48
haarg	the XSendfile middleware is used, so even files that aren't public should be served quickly	17:48
haarg	but it needs some setup in the nginx config	17:49
+perlDreamer	so we could bypass the wgaccess check in nginx completely?	17:50
haarg	well, it still involves talking to the starman server and that would slow down requests somewhat	17:51
haarg	it just doesn't tie up a starman process to actually serve the file	17:51
haarg	i'm thinking you'd want something like this http://gist.github.com/1555459 as the psgi file starman actually loads	17:54
+perlDreamer	that's easy enough to change in WRE 8	17:57
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+perlDreamer	offhand, does anyone know if internally, that perl's readdir uses an iterator, or a list that is doled out bit by bit?	18:08
+perlDreamer	well, according to stackoverflow, it does	18:14
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@scrottie	why are you reverse proxying in the wre?	18:42
@scrottie	er, with plack?	18:43
@scrottie	oh, I guess that's a haarg quesiton.	18:43
@scrottie	haarg, I did some work a while back to make X-Send-Static work if it is enabled (and make it enable-able)	18:44
@scrottie	it would make more sense to have something like nginx in front of plack than to have plack proxy stuff.	18:45
haarg	yes	18:45
haarg	the ReverseProxy middleware is to rewrite the headers so webgui has the correct client IP etc	18:46
@scrottie	strange.	18:47
haarg	webgui used to have handling for that directly in it	18:48
haarg	X-Forwarded-For and the SSLPROXY stuff	18:49
haarg	the ReverseProxy middleware does that for us, so we want to use it instead	18:49
haarg	it might also make sense to have WebGUI enable it directly. it's server specific though, not site specific.	18:50
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@scrottie	perlDreamer, `man readdir`. perl's readdir is a wrapper around that.	20:15
+perlDreamer	thanks scrottie	20:16
+perlDreamer	turns out that the HttpProxy leaks cookie files	20:16
+perlDreamer	which can do bad things with systems with small numbers of inodes	20:16
@scrottie	sure. sounds like you already figured it out but I thought I'd mention that anyway as it's a common thread.	20:16
@scrottie	not sure how cookies and inodes intersect in this case...	20:16
@scrottie	is it leaking filehandles to temporary files?	20:16
+perlDreamer	the HttpProxy does a fetch of remote sites	20:16
+perlDreamer	and on every fetch it writes a cookie file into a storage location	20:17
+perlDreamer	but those files are never cleaned up	20:17
+perlDreamer	so now, start doing the math on 5 cookies per minute across 12 months	20:17
@scrottie	I see.	20:17
+perlDreamer	I'll have to write a workflow activity for cleaning up cookie files that are older than a day or so	20:18
@scrottie	I wonder if they'd take a patch that does an ongoing clean-up.	20:20
@scrottie	spread the cost across each hit. I've had good luck with that strategy in the past.	20:20
@scrottie	other people are likely to be having problems with this too. a complete lack of cleanup kinda isn't okay.	20:21
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+perlDreamer	they is us, but we normally confine that kind of thing to workflow activities	20:39
@scrottie	HttpProxy is our code?	20:39
@scrottie	in that case, we should change it to use a dbm file instead of a bunch of little individual files	20:40
@daviddelikat	perlDreamer: I found the problem with the EMS	20:48
+perlDreamer	scrottie, not likely to happen	20:49
+perlDreamer	at least not until there's a rewrite	20:49
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat, what's the scoop?	20:49
@daviddelikat	there are two packages that needed to be 'used' in the existing modules	20:50
haarg	httpproxy is pretty terrible imo, and i wouldn't put too much effort into anything more than simple fixes	20:50
@daviddelikat	I'm not sure if they were loaded by some other mechanism originally	20:50
+perlDreamer	what's missing dav?	20:50
@daviddelikat	but they are not loaded in the current code	20:50
@daviddelikat	+use WebGUI::Asset::EMSSubmission;	20:51
@daviddelikat	and	20:51
@daviddelikat	+use WebGUI::Asset::EMSSubmissionForm;	20:51
+perlDreamer	and that makes links show up in the templates so that we can find out how to use those?	20:52
@daviddelikat	currently if you try to view the submission queu	20:52
@daviddelikat	it just failes and shows you the	20:52
@daviddelikat	schedule	20:52
@daviddelikat	.. the main page of the ems ...	20:52
@daviddelikat	I have it working by inserting the 'use' statements in the appropriate modules...	20:53
@daviddelikat	I'm just wondering if that is the correct place for them	20:53
@daviddelikat	... I'm not to familiar with moose...	20:53
@daviddelikat	brb	20:53
+perlDreamer	kk	20:53
+perlDreamer	with or without Moose, it's probably okay to add "use" statements to a module	20:55
@daviddelikat	... mmmmm grilled meatlof .....	20:55
@daviddelikat	s/of/loaf/	20:55
+perlDreamer	dude, we can chat after lunch!	20:55
@daviddelikat	its OK, I need to make up for sleeping in today...	20:56
* daviddelikat got started around 10...		20:56
@daviddelikat	so I'll push the code change	20:56
@daviddelikat	do you want me to write up the submission process then?	20:57
@daviddelikat	or do you want to have ahack at it first?	20:57
+perlDreamer	I would love to have some docs about the submission process	20:58
+perlDreamer	but please don't write anything too involved, like I'd mentioned, just bullet points	20:58
+perlDreamer	I'll take care of posting a bug, and backporting the change to 7.10	20:59
+perlDreamer	and then I'll post a bug for the missing template variables	20:59
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@daviddelikat	perlDreamer: there is still something wrong with the submission queue...	21:15
+perlDreamer	ah	21:16
@daviddelikat	I'll let you know when I figure it out..	21:16
+perlDreamer	thanks man, keep hacking! :)	21:16
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd3b574d / (6 files in 6 dirs): Dump WebGUI Statistics. - http://git.io/K1JMAg	21:29
@scrottie	perlDreamer, where's the git repo for this middleware?	21:39
haarg	which middleware?	21:40
@scrottie	the reverse proxy thing that's leaking inodes?	21:41
haarg	lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/HttpProxy.pm	21:41
@scrottie	oooh, it's an asset.	21:41
haarg	it seems like for the wg8 upgrade scripts, we should have a simpler way to find the webgui lib directory	21:45
haarg	in general, i don't think there should be anything that is "the webgui lib dir" but given that this is a conversion process there is kind of a need to do it	21:46
haarg	i prefer finding it the way i did in addMaintenancePageToConfig.pl, but either way it should probably be a reusable function	21:47
haarg	although i kind of hate to add it to either WebGUI::Paths or WebGUI::Upgrade::Script	21:47
+perlDreamer	haarg, we've been down this road before :)	22:14
+perlDreamer	and I agree with you	22:15
+perlDreamer	it sucks to find the WebGUI lib dir	22:15
+perlDreamer	and it sucks to add it to Paths	22:15
haarg	could possibly put it in its own module	22:25
haarg	WebGUI::Upgrade::7to8 or something	22:25
+perlDreamer	we'll need it for a while, as more stuff gets removed from the core	22:26
haarg	err	22:27
haarg	thinking about it more	22:27
haarg	i realize	22:27
haarg	rm_lib	22:28
haarg	in WebGUI::Upgrade::Script	22:28
haarg	already exists	22:28
* perlDreamer is embarrassed		22:33
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0da6ffa / (3 files): Refactor upgrade scripts to better delete files and workflow activities. - http://git.io/EmSniA	22:42
CIA-47	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r2bd090c / share/upgrades/7.10.23-8.0.0/removeWebGUIStatistics.pl : use proper mechanism for deleting statistics modules - http://git.io/D454DA	22:47
+perlDreamer	thanks haarg	23:02
@daviddelikat	perlDreamer: question...	23:08
+perlDreamer	yo ?	23:09
@daviddelikat	one of the bits that needs fixing for the event mangement system	23:09
@daviddelikat	is some i18n text	23:09
@daviddelikat	tyhere are two solutions:	23:09
@daviddelikat	1. change the i18n category in the code	23:09
@daviddelikat	2. move the i18n items to the correct category	23:09
@daviddelikat	which do you prefer?	23:09
+perlDreamer	are the i18n items used anywhere else?	23:10
@daviddelikat	I don't think so	23:10
+perlDreamer	it would be good to check that	23:10
@daviddelikat	I creted the new category after I had some items completed	23:10
+perlDreamer	because in general I think you should do both 1 & 2	23:10
@daviddelikat	only one of them will fix the problem	23:11
@daviddelikat	if I do both I will create a new [roblem	23:11
@daviddelikat	s/[/p/	23:11
+perlDreamer	what is that	23:11
+perlDreamer	and can you give me some code to look at for particulars?	23:11
@daviddelikat	the module in question is	23:12
@daviddelikat	lib/WebGUI/Asset/EMSSubmission.pm	23:12
@daviddelikat	do you want me to leave the origin i18n items in the original module?	23:13
@daviddelikat	and add a duplicate to the correct module?	23:13
+perlDreamer	no, if it's duplicate, please just refer to it by its particular namespace	23:13
+perlDreamer	no sense making Bart's job more difficult	23:13
@daviddelikat	should I leave them in the current namespace then?	23:14
@daviddelikat	so that other languages do not need to be fixed...	23:14
+perlDreamer	if you can, that would be good	23:14
+perlDreamer	since it's already been translated into Spanish, German and Dutch	23:15
@daviddelikat	I'll just change the code to use the namespace where they are defined	23:15
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc22bc0c / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : Add missing POD to AssetExportHtml. - http://git.io/Z1FjkA	00:57
sbaur	how can I determine which site is generating my "A workflow activity has a priority that is too high" messages (every 10 minutes)	01:28
sbaur	the message just says localhost	01:28
sbaur	or, what table shows that priority?, there are only 8 sites to search through	01:30
sbaur	found it in WorkflowInstance	01:32
sbaur	argh! this stupid useless email alert is going to drive me crazy	01:54
sbaur	so, my high priority message is being caused by a custom workflow that runs on new user registration. It has a Last State of error. Is there some way to figure out what the error is?	02:03
sbaur	when i run spectre in debug, all it says is Got an error response for X7ET6m4l1EUsOREaEVn5IA	02:10
sbaur	and after I try to run it by hand, it's as if I'd preformed a "become this user" command	02:11
sbaur	just strange all around	02:11
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haarg	sbaur, sounds like it would be hard to diagnose without seeing the code for the workflow	02:23
sbaur	the problem is finding a code, or anything	02:23
sbaur	i wound up just deleting the 3 that were having problems, and hope it doesn't show up again	02:23
sbaur	and i just tested with a new bogus registartion, which sent the email (what the workflow does) successfully	02:25
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0423bb9 / build.sh : force usage of the earlier, working version of Proc::ProcessTable. - http://git.io/g1FIaQ	05:06
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	16:47
+BartJol	morning	16:52
haarg	morning	17:16
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rb7557e4 / build.sh : Cleanup build script - http://git.io/yUTZBQ	17:26
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6150e11 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Add all the prerequisites back in. - http://git.io/47YHjQ	17:42
haarg	perlDreamer, what does Proc::ProcessTable get used for in webgui/wre ?	17:45
+perlDreamer	It is used to kill processes with too much memory	17:46
+perlDreamer	so, in lib/WRE/Starman.pm (or what used to be Modperl.pm)	17:48
haarg	yeah	17:48
haarg	that dist.ini is kind of broken	17:49
haarg	needs = 0 or a specific version number in the prereq list for CHI, Email::Valid, etc	17:49
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r4effd39 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Fix dist.ini formatting issues. - http://git.io/ToBkiw	17:53
+perlDreamer	thanks haarg	17:53
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+perlDreamer	haarg, after all this time, how feasible would it be to merge WebGUI 8 back into master?	18:01
haarg	just as feasible as the merges into webgui8 have been	18:02
+perlDreamer	mmm	18:02
haarg	git doesn't care about merging a into b or b into a, it's just merging a and b together	18:03
CIA-47	webgui: JT Smith master * rba68ae8 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/EMSSubmission.pm): fixed possible values and default values on EMS submission. - http://git.io/an5DHQ	18:04
+perlDreamer	yeah, but I remember the train wreck that was trying to merge more than about 1 version per time from master into 8	18:05
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haarg	you can always do it one version at a time	18:05
haarg	once you have master fully merged into webgui8, you can merge webgui8 into master, and it will basically just fast forward to the new commit	18:07
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re07d824 / build.sh : No more manually downloaded perl modules - http://git.io/CZNmlg	20:08
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re5f987b / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a bad nested macro in the Shop's my purchases template. Fixes bug #12312 - http://git.io/EXcHlg	21:23
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0a521c3 / build.sh : Use cpanm to download and install the Text::Aspell module - http://git.io/vA26Fw	23:38
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2645069 / wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm : Yard out WRE specific locations for percona's mysql. - http://git.io/g8jeuQ	00:59
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rba8b0fc / (wre/lib/WRE/WebguiUpdate.pm wre/sbin/webguiupdate.pl): Get rid of the WebGUI update script that didn't update well. - http://git.io/wu7zTQ	01:02
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r99ae1c1 / wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl : Rip out mysql setup code from the wreconsole. - http://git.io/XQFYXg	01:09
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rb50a3aa / wre/sbin/logrotate.pl : Remove the logrotate script, since we replaced it with logrotated. - http://git.io/rM19eA	01:25
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r8d56ac9 / build.sh : Make ImageMagick install into the right place. - http://git.io/5bV_bA	02:02
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CIA-47	wrebuild: JT Smith master * rdc137d1 / (build.sh getsource.sh): remove unneeded stuff - http://git.io/epcmtA	02:40
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rce37f1e / (BUILD.macosx BUILD.redhat): Update build instructions with sample mysql configs. - http://git.io/vqdGgg	02:47
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r4118a05 / wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf : Sample my.cnf file for InnoDB. - http://git.io/c3FxIQ	02:47
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6d49e1d / (4 files in 3 dirs): Remove awstats. Also some modperl cleanup in WRE::Site. - http://git.io/JcDdFg	02:50
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r3ef7123 / (5 files in 2 dirs): Modperl => Starman changes. - http://git.io/5vlZIQ	03:20
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9d122a6 / (9 files in 2 dirs): Update the copyright year to 2012. - http://git.io/GrGjbg	03:20
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * ra0d1710 / (wre/sbin/wresetup.pl wre/sbin/wreconsole.pl): Replace a large daemon with a small script. People will need to setup the wre.conf file and then use this script for base WRE setup. - http://git.io/bUM_WA	03:20
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r317e75e / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.conf : Cleanup the wre.conf file to remove webstats and webgui update. - http://git.io/UQoK6g	19:01
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sbaur	Is there an alternate url to try to get to the webgui blog? seems whenever i try to get to blog.webgui.org, i get a message that the connection was reset. (2 tries, one before the new year, and the other, now)	02:07
sbaur	it's quite possible, if others are having as much trouble getting to the blog as i am that even if they want to find out about webgui 8, they are unable to	02:13
haarg	can you try from a different location? or maybe a traceroute?	02:14
sbaur	thanks for the suggestiong	02:16
sbaur	looks like one of my FF extensions is causing the problem, because it works fine in Safari	02:17
sbaur	now, to figure out what the problem is	02:17
haarg	odd	02:17
sbaur	it's adblock plus having a problem	02:18
sbaur	and now it gets truly weird. I disabled abp once, and now it will display the blog whether it's disabled or enabled	02:20
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r5dd3865 / build.sh : Restore original build script - http://git.io/Y8cM0Q	17:47
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r41d1150 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Restore original dist.ini - http://git.io/NZOQ-g	17:47
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r300cd51 / (10 files in 8 dirs): remove support for the serverside spell checker since most modern browsers do this natively - http://git.io/hWZJ8Q	19:17
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0be2c02 / build.sh : No need for Text::Aspell any longer. - http://git.io/7_RlwQ	19:18
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * reab591a / (build.sh getsource.sh): Remove download and build support for aspell. - http://git.io/MmjXQA	19:18
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r1e8d6d9 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Remove module check for Text::Aspell - http://git.io/6qIfEA	19:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r7da9a32 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Remove requirement for Text::Aspell and add the PSGI testing module - http://git.io/zI7oWA	19:30
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r82dbc7f / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Fix a bad version number. - http://git.io/hxakXw	19:49
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9ba4f2c / BUILD.redhat : Paragraphs - http://git.io/NwKKog	20:41
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rb67824f / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Add requirements for Starman and Server::Starter - http://git.io/MTbQxw	20:41
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rd66facd / wre/docs/changelog.txt : Document changes for this WRE. - http://git.io/wylSQA	21:13
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9677543 / wre/docs/upgrade.txt : new upgrade instructions for 8 - http://git.io/whxLNw	21:13
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r80fccc9 / wre/docs/install.txt : First cut at install instructions. Needs specifics on adding sites and starting services. - http://git.io/ndU40Q	22:00
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6d148fb / wre/docs/gotcha.txt : Update the gotcha file. - http://git.io/HwiW-A	22:07
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * reb3e5a4 / build.sh : We always have an etc directory now. - http://git.io/jDMduQ	22:08
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6ab2469 / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : wresetup cleanup, remove unused files, simplify the config passing, setup the demo nginx file. - http://git.io/J2We_g	22:33
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re149592 / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Fix perl syntax errors in the setup script. - http://git.io/oW55gQ	22:37
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rff3d618 / (3 files): Basic demo setup, probably non-functional. - http://git.io/uC8zXw	22:40
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rfec7f79 / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Add feedback about what the setup script is doing. - http://git.io/9LAzdQ	22:45
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rdf1d7e5 / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : put the logrotate file into the correct location inside the wre. - http://git.io/anBmxg	22:47
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rf62fd7c / (4 files): Clean out code for windows. - http://git.io/adMO5Q	23:00
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rc0696f6 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : Fix an argument quoting issue, / is not allowed as a bareword. - http://git.io/vA2mlg	23:16
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2affa3a / (wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm): Fix syntax errors in WRE modules. - http://git.io/-prlJg	23:22
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r3aad59a / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : Add App::Ack to the wre. - http://git.io/F5WMlw	00:43
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CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rbfa1b74 / share/create.sql : Update SQL dump syntax so that Mysql 5.5 will read it - http://git.io/TiVhSA	04:41
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r23d3f79 / wre/lib/WRE/Host.pm : Fix privileged user detection. - http://git.io/Wu4VLw	17:55
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re952ac9 / wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm : Do not declare services to be down unless they're actually down. - http://git.io/CFyivQ	17:59
@scrottie	yay.	18:25
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r58f35c3 / wre/var/setupfiles/my.cnf : Set the default mysql user to be webgui. - http://git.io/hEInxA	18:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * ra44d812 / wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm : Use service for shutting down and starting mysql. - http://git.io/P3bH5Q	18:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r7ea6018 / wre/docs/install.txt : Updated install instructions. - http://git.io/PVUMdw	18:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9bfd3ac / (8 files in 5 dirs): Strip out all Mysql service controls from the WRE. - http://git.io/RhszZA	19:49
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rcc9ae9c / wre/lib/WRE/Site.pm : Put a little Mysql back in - http://git.io/zgVlFA	19:55
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rdd81abc / wre/etc/wre.conf : And a little mysql config, too - http://git.io/6wo2Qg	19:56
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rff57acb / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.template : Integrate Bart's nginx config file. - http://git.io/TUDJIQ	20:23
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r662e341 / (wre/lib/WRE/File.pm wre/t/File.t): More template variable pruning. You should just use the config object. - http://git.io/3My1CQ	20:23
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rf89aeb0 / wre/etc/wre.conf : No tabs. - http://git.io/Mwk5kQ	23:30
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r56ca2b0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : Fix some warnings under perl 5.14.2 - http://git.io/GbLWgQ	23:39
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6e8d53a / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Build log and run directories in the new wre - http://git.io/O1VJ3g	23:43
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r98af4b7 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Fix a command line arg typo for starman. - http://git.io/kxWAOA	23:43
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rf1cfb4f / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : More starman command line fixes. - http://git.io/grYTXA	23:56
CIA-47	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r20d7353 / app.psgi : No more FindBin. Set PERL5LIB instead. - http://git.io/NgWkpQ	23:59
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rfd4f183 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : More command line fixes for starman - http://git.io/-5t2EA	00:21
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6a21065 / Task-WebGUI/dist.ini : We also need N::S::SS::PreFork - http://git.io/UwhmmA	00:30
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2c4fc97 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Throw start_server into the background and use system to invoke it. - http://git.io/1CoLtQ	01:00
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r92369c1 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Only update the wre config if stopping or starting really worked. Fix stopping server_starter. - http://git.io/2YF2Zw	01:12
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re75a835 / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Preceeding spaces in commands. - http://git.io/aV5gTA	01:13
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rcd28798 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : Fix a templating issue with seting the system user in nginx. - http://git.io/gq7vfA	01:33
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rb85f7f4 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : And another fix. TT barewords??? - http://git.io/B08oQA	01:35
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2a3c836 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : Remove configuration in the master server because it's already in the per-site config - http://git.io/9GUckg	01:40
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0202f3f / wre/var/setupfiles/mime.types : Mime types for for nginx is in a different format from apache. shocker. - http://git.io/XSF0iQ	01:55
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rcb9116f / wre/var/setupfiles/mime.types : remove duplicate ogg entry. - http://git.io/dylnlw	01:57
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9822078 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Set the number of nginx workers in wre.conf. Fix syntax errors in the nginx templates (missing semi-colons). - http://git.io/0gT2vQ	02:03
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r6ead253 / (wre/sbin/wresetup.pl wre/sbin/wredemosetup.pl): Move demo setup into its own file, add webgui log file setup - http://git.io/JkeqMw	02:13
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rccdb7ef / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : More config file sanity. - http://git.io/ioWGEw	03:17
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9186ce7 / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : nginx installs into sbin, I guess. - http://git.io/bd2ixw	03:19
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rbe47c78 / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : Have to tell nginx that "stop" is a signal. - http://git.io/nwYDiQ	03:27
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rc8da009 / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : No more modproxy! - http://git.io/BIxNfA	03:30
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CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r4f3b86c / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.conf : Try serving extras via nginx. - http://git.io/MeXX8w	18:25
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r46180af / (2 files): Location blocks can't be inherited by declaring them outside of a server block. - http://git.io/_0KaYg	18:30
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r8ba3bbe / (wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm wre/sbin/wreservice.pl): Refactor Nginx.pm to remove common code for testing port privileges and building base command paths. Add a reload command for nginx. - http://git.io/N9Axmw	19:11
CIA-47	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r44e3705 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.template : Do a better job of handling sitename.com and www.sitename.com - http://git.io/BtLoqw	19:11
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metaperl\|2	hey what's Scott doing here? :)	22:15
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dln	Man, freenode has a lot of rooms.	22:21
haarg	is that a problem?	22:22
dln	nope	22:22
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dln	does webgui run in any environments besides *nix/apache/mod_perl ?	22:33
@scrottie	dln, WebGUI8 doesn't run in Apache/mod_perl.	22:34
@daviddelikat	webgui8 uses plack and so will use any httpd you know of	22:34
@daviddelikat	however mysql is the only db backend to date	22:35
@scrottie	I don't know if anyone has tested it on Strawberry or ActiveState, but I know developers use OSX	22:35
@daviddelikat	microsoft support was dropped a couple years ago	22:36
@daviddelikat	the best solution there is to use a virtual machine	22:37
@daviddelikat	[ the best known solution that is ]	22:37
@daviddelikat	dln: are you looking to get WG up with the least trouble?	22:39
@daviddelikat	I can share my virtual machine with you if you like	22:40
dln	http://www.webgui.org/user-guides/developers-guide/developers-guide-wiki/url-handlers seems to imply that its bound to mod_perl. This is incorrect?	22:47
haarg	webgui 7 is bound to mod_perl	22:47
haarg	webgui 8 is not	22:48
metaperl	I'd like to say hello and give my feedback. I first went to wikimatrix.org and compared a bunch of options for redoing our site docs. Then I noticed Tiki CMS and thought: "why not redo the whole thing" ... I never compared webgui because it was not in wiki matrix...	22:49
dln	ah.	22:50
metaperl	but now I will compare it... `apt-cache search webgui` shows it in ubuntu, but I wonder which version... and probably I should install from source knowing my urge to supply patches	22:50
metaperl	even though website recommends against it	22:50
dln	Yes, I'd like to get WG up on a current debian. can I just do apt-get webgui?	22:51
metaperl	dln do `apt-cache search webgui` to see	22:51
haarg	the webgui package in debian isn't maintained by anyone at plainblack. i don't know what version or state it is in.	22:51
metaperl	one thing: there is no documentation link at the main page of webgui website...	22:51
@scrottie	haarg, the guy who does it updated it about a month or two ago	22:52
metaperl	oh its on github?	22:52
@scrottie	you can't just "apt-get install" it and have it go. there are a couple of set-up steps left. sometimes people come in here after having done that and wonder where their site is (hint: you have to tell it which domain you're hosting)	22:53
@scrottie	metaperl, http://github.com/plainblack/webgui	22:53
metaperl	yeah that's what made mention it	22:53
metaperl	but that's not listed here - http://tiki.org/CMS+Landscape	22:54
metaperl	oops	22:54
metaperl	i mean here - http://www.webgui.org/learn/download/source-installs	22:54
@scrottie	CMS Resources > Community Wiki is in the bottom right corner, a bit burried. not clearly labled either, re: webgui.org doc link	22:54
@scrottie	metaperl, you're right. and I don't have access to that site.	22:55
@scrottie	perlDreamer, you awake?	22:55
metaperl	so if I want to download and install from github, is that what I would supply patches against?	22:56
@scrottie	what patches are you wanting to apply?	22:56
metaperl	i dont know yet	22:56
@scrottie	well, you certainly could fork the github repo	22:56
metaperl	but my goal is to download, install and use this and as things come up, supply pathces	22:56
haarg	webgui 8 is going to be ready "any time now"	22:57
@scrottie	ah. yeah, then you would want to fork the github repo.	22:57
haarg	https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/tree/WebGUI8	22:57
@scrottie	perlDreamer declared it ready for testing and is now on a crash WRE-for-8 coding session	22:57
@scrottie	I personally would suggest skipping the wre for wG8 if you're somewhat experienced with Linux/Unix.	22:58
@scrottie	just use your own perl and mysql and go through the set-up process.	22:58
@scrottie	loading the database, running upgrades, etc, etc. source comes with install instructions.	22:58
metaperl	ok. that's more my style anyway	22:59
@scrottie	wG8 is not heavily tested yet. expect bumps.	22:59
@scrottie	then you're more than welcome to push commits back to github and then send pull requests for them, if you think other people would benefit from your work.	22:59
dln	on a single host install, will SQLite work?	22:59
haarg	no	23:00
haarg	it won't work on anything but mysql	23:00
haarg	that readme in the wg8 branch could use some updates too	23:03
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@scrottie	I've been maintaining that but I haven't pulled a fresh copy of wG8 and tested it since perlDreamer's binge	00:02
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haarg	a lot of that stuff in the root dir is leftover from when patspam was working on the psgi conversion, and just hasn't gotten cleaned up	00:12
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dln	do we care about the possibility of supporting SQLite? Because I'd like to do that.	03:26
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bsdwarrior2	anyone around	05:00
@scrottie	sometimes.	05:20
@scrottie	what's up?	05:20
bsdwarrior2	trying to figure out what os to use for wre and why wre binaries are from 2009	05:22
@scrottie	judging by your nick, I'd suggest using BSD and doing a source install.	05:23
@scrottie	that amounts to MySQL, Apache and modperl (for WebGUI 7.x, which is stable), and a whole mess of perl modules	05:24
bsdwarrior2	scrottie - im up for any os however, I dont want to spend 3 hours tweaking a source install under freebsd every time I upgrade the software	05:24
@scrottie	oh, and mysql	05:24
@scrottie	after things are installed, the situation is the same with a source install vs the wre... new versions of WebGUI want new perl modules	05:24
@scrottie	and modules don't always install cleanly	05:25
@scrottie	the wre shouldn't be 2+ years old though. where did you get it from?	05:25
@scrottie	or maybe it should be.	05:25
bsdwarrior2	I'm doing a new install.	05:25
bsdwarrior2	the site says a wre is 300% faster then source.	05:26
bsdwarrior2	seems like a big catch 22	05:26
@scrottie	ya know, I'm not sure what was tuned that made that true, but I suspect that it isn't any longer true.	05:26
@scrottie	do you have to plan for a lot of capacity?	05:27
bsdwarrior2	I have alot of capacity however I think 20 gig is plenty to start for one site	05:28
@scrottie	if capacity isn't a problem, then don't worry about performance and which is faster.	05:29
@scrottie	if capacity is a concern, then I can tell you about some work I did ;)	05:29
@scrottie	where did you get your WRE from?	05:30
@scrottie	exactly? have a link to the page that links to it?	05:30
bsdwarrior2	one sec	05:31
bsdwarrior2	http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/WRE%200.9.3/	05:31
bsdwarrior2	those binaries are from 2009. So just use source?	05:31
@scrottie	sure enough. wow.	05:32
@scrottie	up to you. wre's main benefit is it saves a lot of time and possible wrong turns setting things up.	05:33
@scrottie	I thought Doug was building a new version just a few months back but I guess it never made an official release.	05:33
@scrottie	look at the source install instructions and decide if it's something you want to tackle.	05:33
@scrottie	http://www.webgui.org/wiki/source-install	05:34
@scrottie	that's for wG7	05:34
@scrottie	wG8 is very different	05:34
bsdwarrior2	I'll glady upload a freebsd 8.2 vm with webgui installed when im done.	05:35
bsdwarrior2	no point to repeat the work	05:35
@scrottie	https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/20d735362cf3b7eef8cd271800c784903c9d8e0b/docs/install.txt ... for wG8 (which is just reaching the beta test stage)	05:37
@scrottie	that runs under plack rather than Apache/mod_perl	05:38
bsdwarrior2	I dont have the time to test beta software, sorry.	05:38
bsdwarrior2	I'm converting a production site	05:38
@scrottie	ah	05:38
bsdwarrior2	are you a developer or ?	05:39
@scrottie	yeah.	05:42
bsdwarrior2	cool. Thanks for the help	05:43
@scrottie	sure thing. good luck. and if you're trying to find someone in here and there doesn't seem to be someone, try office hours in US Mountain Standard Time.	05:44
bsdwarrior2	are you familar with www.phila.k12.pa.us did they have alot of customizations I also work for a school district.	05:44
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dln	Achoo!	21:10
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* scrottie takes a long step back and then idly waits for someone to slip		21:18
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@daviddelikat	dln scrottie -- wow, it doesn't get any duller'n this...	01:44
@scrottie	dull... if only...	01:47
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r798f9fa / wre/sbin/wresetup.pl : Need to process the templated logrotate config file. - http://git.io/kMb3nQ	02:03
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r7720a6c / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : Need the wreConfig object if we're going to change status. - http://git.io/5UdyFw	02:05
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rfb0912f / wre/var/setupfiles/wre.logrotate : Fix a logrotate syntax problem - http://git.io/k0oBXw	02:07
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dln	spaking of dull, i just saw a fascinating article in "Gun and Garden" about an independent blacksmith who makes beautiful chef's knives	03:17
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@daviddelikat	chef's knives sound cool. sneeze, not so cool.	04:18
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4ab6db8 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Instance.pm : Fix some bad POD formatting. - http://git.io/8rd3Sw	04:41
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc94af49 / README : Fix the README file so it flows logically and works. - http://git.io/cSVMFA	04:43
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rc867496 / wre/var/setupfiles/nginx.template : Set the correct root for the extras directory in nginx. - http://git.io/HdzHWg	04:49
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@scrottie	)	08:59
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@scrottie	hey BartJol. good morning.	09:57
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+BartJol	hey scrottie	17:07
+BartJol	good afternoon	17:07
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* scrottie stretches		18:48
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rf040ef4 / (wre/etc/wre.conf wre/sbin/backup.pl): First cut at making database backups work again. - http://git.io/mS1w1Q	21:01
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r74ecef1 / wre/sbin/backup.pl : Syntax error - http://git.io/YrBoQA	21:08
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r8063392 / wre/sbin/backup.pl : Fix mysql dumping of databases for backups. - http://git.io/E5jvnw	00:19
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r00fb0bb / (wre/etc/wre.conf wre/sbin/backup.pl): Make sure that uncompressed SQL files are backed up. Do not backup demo sites. - http://git.io/DI6IRA	00:23
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r22bb269 / wre/sbin/backup.pl : shell quoting problem. - http://git.io/k-Gtag	00:24
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rb7a6870 / (wre/etc/wre.conf wre/sbin/backup.pl): Backup SQL files, even if they're not compressed, fix a quoting problem in backing up files. - http://git.io/whFfug	00:34
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@scrottie	g'night	13:08
+BartJol	eeeh	13:11
+BartJol	goodnight	13:11
+BartJol	scrottie: you wanted to talk to me yesterday?	13:11
@scrottie	was just being social, since I happened to see you hop on. that's all.	13:46
+BartJol	ah	14:43
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sbaur	Is WebGUI 8 still going to be using yui?	19:46
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@scrottie	sbaur, yeah, looks like it. I think it got a version bump.	19:53
sbaur	Then maybe I'll put a request in to have all the yui/examples removed from the codebase. A security scanner run against one of my sites really doesn't like all the php in there	19:59
@scrottie	yes, there should not be PHP distributed with WebGUI.	20:03
@scrottie	please do. or even send a pull request.	20:03
@scrottie	I'm with your security scanner on that one.	20:04
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vanjwilson	Trying to add a couple of hidden fields to a data form with a jQuery autocomplete widget outside the data form, so that I can pick them up with a Workflow Activity, but they are not getting passed to the Activity.	21:01
vanjwilson	I tried adding hidden fields to the Data Form and then replacing their values with jQuery, but when I turn Admin Off, they seem to go away.	21:03
@scrottie	I'd have to see code to even have a guess... pasting relavent bits to gist.github.com..?	21:08
@scrottie	there's no fundamental reason why non-admins couldn't submit hidden fields or use jquery.	21:08
vanjwilson	I think I found the hidden field problem--someone else did the template at the beginning of this project	21:16
vanjwilson	and they had this loop in the custom Template::Toolkit template: [% UNLESS field_isHidden %]... [% END%]	21:16
vanjwilson	That should be unnecessary, because <input type="hidden"> shouldn't display anyway, right?	21:16
@scrottie	<input type="hidden"> will be sent to the browser, but not shown to the user.	21:22
@scrottie	[% UNLESS ... %] sounds like it is keeping it from sending it to the browser.	21:23
@scrottie	jQuery can't populate data into it if it isn't sent to the browser.	21:23
@scrottie	and the browser obviously won't send data back to the server unless there is a form element there, hidden or otherwise	21:23
@scrottie	yeah, that UNLESS is quite likely wrong.	21:23
vanjwilson	I just commented that UNLESS loop out, and that made them show up, but now the isHidden fields are showing up as type="text" ,	21:24
vanjwilson	which they shouldn't be, because I do, in fact, want them present, but hidden	21:24
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@scrottie	paste the output HTML along with the related bit of the template into gist.github.com.	21:25
@scrottie	I'm not going to speculate based on a description.	21:25
vanjwilson	Ok	21:25
sbaur	scrottie: out of my meeting and RFE created http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/12315	21:27
sbaur	except it ate half my rfe	21:27
vanjwilson	@scrottie, here is the link: git://gist.github.com/1602537.git	21:30
@scrottie	sbaur, add the missing half to comments? sorry about that...	21:33
sbaur	i did	21:33
@scrottie	and I utterly hate webforms. invariably, due to JS bugs, session timeouts, run-away spam control, browser crashes, and so on, I lose my work. hate, hate, hate.	21:33
vanjwilson	@scrottie, could it be that, in Edit Field, the "Status" can be set to "Hidden", but "Hidden" is not a choice for "type	21:34
vanjwilson	just "Text", "Radio", "Checkbox" etc., but no "Hidden" ?	21:34
@scrottie	vanjwilson, it's easier to paste the http address ;) but I'll check that out with git	21:34
vanjwilson	Sorry, here it is: https://gist.github.com/1602537	21:34
@scrottie	vanjwilson, it seems like two different concepts are being confused... WebGUI hidding elements from non-admins and HTML <input type="hidden">	21:35
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@scrottie	there's probably a firefox plugin that lets me view git:// urls ;)	21:35
vanjwilson	@scrottie, here's the public URL: https://gist.github.com/1602537	21:36
danny_mk	quick question, I am trying to play around with WebGUI8 but it seems like some of the Assets are either missing or replaced. Check http://www.dbash.com/	21:36
vanjwilson	I agree, about the 2 different concepts	21:36
danny_mk	For example ^AdminBar();	21:36
danny_mk	I know it is obviously in beta possibly alpha	21:37
@scrottie	danny_mk: it looks like your upgrades didn't run.	21:37
@scrottie	danny_mk: did you use 'wgd' to run upgradse? the script that comes with WRE doesn't work any more. the upgrade process changed.	21:38
@scrottie	and if you used wgd, did you get a whole bunch of output about things it was doing that took a long time?	21:38
danny_mk	I did not upgrade, I just installed a fresh copy of WebGUI8	21:38
@scrottie	and yes, you have to run upgrades even if you're doing a new install	21:38
@scrottie	(unless something changed while I wasn't looking)	21:38
danny_mk	OK, thank you. I will check that out.	21:38
@scrottie	sure, good luck. let us know if it works!	21:39
@scrottie	I'm really interested to hear how testing goes. wish I had more time for it myself!	21:39
danny_mk	I am interested in the Auth portion as I use WebGUI as a front end (Content, user management, authentication, authorization) to all my Catalyst, JSF apps	21:40
danny_mk	and Dancer apps	21:40
@scrottie	interesting	21:40
danny_mk	well almost anything that needs authentication	21:40
@scrottie	danny_mk: you should write a blog post about what you're doing and how you're doing it.	21:40
@scrottie	danny_mk: and consider presenting at YAPC. ;)	21:40
danny_mk	Also as a front end SSO for RequestTracker, got tired of trying to fix the WebGUI Helpdesk module	21:41
danny_mk	that was pretty seamless	21:41
@scrottie	rad.	21:41
@scrottie	Helpdesk got re-written, but I think the new version never got put out. no one tested it or gave feedback.	21:42
@scrottie	that's on a todo list somewhere.	21:42
* scrottie sighs		21:42
sbaur	+1 for the blog post request danny_mk	21:42
danny_mk	yes, why reinvent the wheel, the user management in WebGUI is good enough	21:42
@scrottie	[% field_form %] ... okay, this is just showing the form fields the code comes up with	21:42
@scrottie	vanjwilson, what are you doing to make this field "hidden", and where are you doing it? which asset has this template?	21:42
@scrottie	I think you told me but I forgot.	21:43
@scrottie	ah, dataform.	21:44
vanjwilson	It's a Data Form, and this is in a custom Data Form Template template,	21:47
vanjwilson	but I just checked the Default DataForm, and same logic is there ( in HTML::Template syntax)	21:47
@scrottie	right. well, the template isn't responsible for the field being type="text" rather than type="hidden"	21:47
vanjwilson	But "hidden" isn't a choice in the Edit Field property box, under type, so do I have to do a JS hack on pageLoad?	21:48
@scrottie	no... I'm trying to figure out if I should suggest one other thing before that...	21:49
@scrottie	looking at the code	21:49
sbaur	is it possible you can't see hidden because your userlevel isn't guru?	21:50
@scrottie	that would be confusing the two things.	21:50
@scrottie	hang on.	21:50
sbaur	i meant on the edit field screen	21:50
vanjwilson	but I'm logged in as Admin (user id 3) ?	21:51
sbaur	check admin's profile and see what the ui level is set to. probably already at guru, but maybe not?	21:52
vanjwilson	UI Level is set to "9 Guru"	21:53
sbaur	i just created a demo site, added a DF and hidden definitely shows up as the first type in the edit field screen. demo is running 7.9.34 stable	21:54
vanjwilson	I'm running 7.10.22	21:55
sbaur	I don't have 7.10 installed anywhere so I can't help you there...	21:55
@scrottie	/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm getRecordTemplateVars...	21:59
vanjwilson	I'm checking another site we manage that we left at 7.9.34, because it's dev site broke on 7.10...	22:04
vanjwilson	"Hidden" is not a choice for the "Type" setting on my 7.9.34 site (it is in the list for "Status", but that doesn't help)	22:06
vanjwilson	I searched through /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm, but I only see "hidden" being used with the "Status"	22:15
vanjwilson	property, not the "Type" property	22:15
danny_mk	I was wondering if it is worth to make WebGUI8 available as a VM for those newbies that have problems installin 8. I used the VM from PB and stripped the wre stuff and just installed MySql, apache and 8, took a few tries but after a few hours I got it done. Is it worth to make it available for others that want to test in a sandbox?	22:17
vanjwilson	@scrottie, @sbaur: I found a "Hidden.pm" in the Form directory, which Form.pm calls for through Pluggable, and it looks like	22:28
vanjwilson	it would return the correct HTML. It's just not in any of my lists of Types on the 3 sites I've checked so far. Are you sure it is	22:28
vanjwilson	in the same list as "Text", "Radio", "Checkbox" etc. on your sites ? Where is that list built ?	22:28
vanjwilson	/data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataForm.pm www_editField:	22:33
vanjwilson	...	22:33
vanjwilson	$f->fieldType(	22:33
vanjwilson	name => "type",	22:33
vanjwilson	label => $i18n->get(23),	22:33
vanjwilson	hoverHelp => $i18n->get('23 description'),	22:33
vanjwilson	value => "\u$field->{type}" \|\| "Text",	22:33
vanjwilson	types => [qw(DateTime TimeField Float Zipcode Text Textarea HTMLArea Url Date Email Phone Integer YesNo SelectList RadioList CheckList SelectBox File)],	22:34
vanjwilson	...	22:34
vanjwilson	There is no "Hidden" in my install	22:34
@scrottie	danny_mk: making wG8 available as a vm is a fantastic idea.	22:47
@scrottie	sorry, the IMs and emails are flowing fast today.	22:48
@scrottie	vanjwilson, I think you're right there. that's what I was trying to verify, reading through this code.	22:49
@scrottie	that WebGUI::Form::Hidden isn't used, but ::Text (or similar) was, and making something "hidden" does something else.	22:49
@scrottie	vanjwilson, I do have a constructive suggestion for you for that case though. I just wanted to make sure that was the case first.	22:49
vanjwilson	@scrottie, @sbaur: I added "Hidden" to the list of types in DataForm.pm, now it's in the select list and it's generating the correct	22:50
vanjwilson	HTML control, but I'm sure my change will get blown away with each upgrade... I'm explaining what I've done in our internal technical	22:50
vanjwilson	specs for now	22:50
@scrottie	aha.	22:52
@scrottie	the FormField macro.	22:52
@scrottie	your way is nicer but has you said, would get blown away in upgrades.	22:52
@scrottie	as you said, using JS/jquery to add an <input type="hidden"> on the fly is an option, too.	22:53
@scrottie	you stuck stick it into the template directly, if that suits your purposes.	22:53
@scrottie	or you could use FormField to do the same thing... stick a WebGUI::Form:: control into the template.	22:53
danny_mk	xcrottie: I have it, have to find a free place to host it.	22:54
danny_mk	scrottie: I have it, have to find a free place to host it.	22:55
@scrottie	I can stick it on my own personal host.	22:56
vanjwilson	@scrottie, the formfield macro may be the cleanest solution, but I don't think it would get passed into my workflow activity with the rest of the DataForm object fields	22:57
vanjwilson	(I had already tried adding hidden inputs hardcoded into this one template, and that didn't work)	22:57
@scrottie	sourceforge.net would be another option, but I think you have to apply to get a project up there, and then they kind of push you to maintain it ;)	22:57
@scrottie	vanjwilson, if you added them to the template and it didn't work, mostly like [% UNLESS %] or [% IF %] was keeping them from being sent to the browser.	22:58
@scrottie	most likely	22:58
danny_mk	compressing it now	22:58
@scrottie	don't go anywhere if I'm slow.	22:59
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danny_mk	scrottie: did you get my message?	00:08
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@scrottie	danny_mk yeah, hang on...	00:22
@scrottie	I can fetch that from there and host it	00:22
@scrottie	fetching	00:23
@scrottie	did you want to do some kind of a blog post and link to my copy?	00:23
+danny_mk	scrottie: Not necessary, it is pretty easy to install. I set the site name in the configuration to be webgui.dbash.com, come to think of it I could have changed that.	00:31
+danny_mk	scrottie: if you run into problems just let me know. Thank you for your help.	00:34
@scrottie	well, as a suggestion, you could write something along the lines of "WebGUI 8 just came out for testing. Bleah bleah bleah. Here's an iso image that you can download to play with it. Change the hostname to something that's actually in DNS or your hosts file.". And then if you did that, I could post something on blog.webgui.org linking to it.	00:35
@scrottie	up to you. I could also post something there saying "danny_mk made this vmware image of WebGUI8, check it out".	00:35
+danny_mk	OK, were exactly should I write it?	00:36
@scrottie	that's up to you. whatever you want to say about it. at least, attribute the work how you'd like it to be and tell people what software they need to run it (VMWare).	00:38
@scrottie	or whatever =P	00:39
@scrottie	if you don't generally blog technical stuff, tell me how you'd like it to be attributed and I'll post something.	00:39
@scrottie	don't set up a blog just to amuse me.	00:39
+danny_mk	LOL	00:49
+danny_mk	that is what I was thinking.	00:49
+danny_mk	I could post it here: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera once you give me a link.	00:51
+danny_mk	scrottie: I have to run but check your messages for my email	01:02
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+perlDreamer	afternoon, folks	01:23
+perlDreamer	sbaur, I did a find /data/WebGUI/www/extras/yui -name '*.php and it showed 4 files in a yui/tests directory. There was no examples directory at all	01:26
+perlDreamer	it looks like the examples were removed sometime between 7.7 and 7.8	01:27
sbaur	perhaps it's a left over from an older version	01:27
+perlDreamer	that could definitely be	01:27
+perlDreamer	you're still using 7.6?	01:28
sbaur	well, since i've only made it to 7.6, it's not a left over yet	01:28
sbaur	working on the nested macro problem to hopefully move s40 to 7.6 soon	01:28
sbaur	2 sites "fixed", 5 to go	01:29
haarg	it's too bad that issue has been so much work for you	01:31
sbaur	it's a fair amount of work, and a lot of other distractions that have kept me from getting this darn upgrade done	01:31
haarg	with the older parser we didn't have any real test cases how it behaved so it was kind of a best effort to match up with it	01:31
sbaur	and knowing that as soon as i finish i have to test everything for 7.7 and see which of the undocumented gotcha's get us :-)	01:32
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfabf59f / (83 files in 40 dirs): Remove YUI tests (with and without PHP) from git repo. Fixes RFE #12315. - http://git.io/kyXFeQ	01:41
sbaur	thanks Colin!	01:44
+perlDreamer	technically, it _is_ a bug since we already removed stuff like that	01:45
+perlDreamer	and the fact that I can do it in 5 minutes helps	01:45
sbaur	:D	01:45
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r343485c / BUILD.redhat : Note that we need rsync for backups. - http://git.io/JxkKGQ	02:01
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r9269d29 / wre/docs/install.txt : More WRE install doc tweaks. - http://git.io/KSO4fQ	02:07
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+danny_mk	scrottie: were you able to download the VM?	15:45
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pskept	where do i find the css file containing the definition for class="weblogSynopsis"?	19:19
+danny_mk	scrottie: were you able to download the VM?	19:22
sbaur	pskept: if you use Firebug or one of the other web developer extensions you should be able to find out from your browser	19:32
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@scrottie	danny_mk, yup, downloaded it... http://cluster.slowass.net/~webgui/WebGUI.vmwarevm.zip	19:41
@scrottie	I'd like to rename it to WebGUI8.vmwarevm.zip if that's okay	19:41
pskept	found it thanks	19:41
+danny_mk	scrottie: OK I will do a post in etcetera...	19:42
+danny_mk	did you try it?	19:42
@scrottie	named it WebGUI8beta.vmwarevm.zip, actually. version numbers++.	19:43
@scrottie	nope. I wonder if virtualbox can open vmware images...	19:43
+danny_mk	not sure	19:43
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@scrottie	danny_mk, is it 1114357760 bytes long? unzip is telling me " End-of-central-directory signature not found."	20:00
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+danny_mk	hmmm... I will test the zip on my windows system	20:41
@daviddelikat	virtualbox runs pretty well on vmdk files.	20:50
@scrottie	I might not have transferred all of it... can you check the size of the file?	20:52
+danny_mk	give me a sec	20:56
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+danny_mk	scrottie: The size of the file is 1.86Gig, I am downloading the VMPlayer from vmware.com to try it on my Windows system.	21:22
+danny_mk	-rw-r--r-- 1 xxxx xxxx 1857850933 Jan 12 21:46 WebGUI.vmwarevm.zip	21:26
@scrottie	okay, mine is short.	21:48
@scrottie	is it still up at your url? what was that again?	21:49
@scrottie	I can wget -c	21:49
@scrottie	webserver doesn't support partial transfers	21:59
@scrottie	refetching	21:59
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+danny_mk	scrottie: hold on, sending another copy	22:55
CIA-77	webgui: David Delikat master * rbce42bc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): ticket 12318: asset error causes asset manager to fail - http://git.io/eQfZ6g	23:21
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3b3502b / lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm : Trim extra whitespace. - http://git.io/K84wrw	23:35
+perlDreamer	scrottie, virtualbox can open vmware images	23:35
+perlDreamer	as well as edit and change them	23:35
+danny_mk	scrottie: http://www.dbash.com/uploads/temp/WebGUI8.zip	23:37
+perlDreamer	hm, seems I'm a little behind the times since you already knew that	23:37
+danny_mk	Smaller file that definitely runs in Windows	23:37
+danny_mk	I had to remove the other file	23:38
+danny_mk	so your download may be incomplete	23:39
+danny_mk	scrottie: remember, I will post install/usage instructions at http://www.webgui.org/etcetera when you make the file available	23:46
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@scrottie	what webserver are you running?	00:00
@scrottie	I can't continue interrupted downloads for some reason, and the connection always drops at some point	00:00
@scrottie	ah, wG8, so probably a plack server.	00:06
+danny_mk	yes	00:07
@scrottie	I can get you a login on cluster.slowass.net if you don't mind doing an rsync. otherwise, I don't think I can get this from you. I think the transfer times out before it's done.	00:07
@scrottie	every time.	00:07
@scrottie	that plus no resume.	00:07
+danny_mk	ok	00:07
+danny_mk	I can start it now	00:07
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * reac3945 / wre/etc/wre.conf : No mysql monitoring in the wre. - http://git.io/UhtUOw	00:07
+danny_mk	send me the login info	00:08
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0e35590 / wre/sbin/wremonitor.pl : Remove unused List::Util methods - http://git.io/XCzbYA	00:19
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r00e74cb / wre/lib/WRE/Starman.pm : Flip the sense on the success when trying to stop starman. - http://git.io/4j4lsQ	00:33
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r2f0765a / wre/lib/WRE/Nginx.pm : Remove some debug code from Nginx's reload command. - http://git.io/wu77Jw	00:33
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * r0f22208 / wre/lib/WRE/Mysql.pm : Make sure that we always try a test database. - http://git.io/8rY7vA	00:46
CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rede97ca / wre/etc/wre.conf : No, really, the whole wre and not the etc directory again. - http://git.io/Pi9Y9A	00:48
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dln	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebGUI#Architecture states the rewrite is to PSGI. is PSGI the same thing as plack?	01:33
haarg	they tend to get used interchangeably	01:33
haarg	PSGI is the spec for how it behaves	01:33
haarg	Plack is a set of libraries that implement parts of the PSGI spec. webgui 8 uses a bunch of plack libraries.	01:34
haarg	https://metacpan.org/module/PSGI::FAQ more information about PSGI, Plack, and the distinction between them	01:35
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dln	thanks	02:27
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dln	i don't suppose there's a webgui target in macports.org?	05:00
dln	Putting one there is my goal now...	05:01
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@scrottie	dln, that would be very nice indeed	05:27
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+perlDreamer	hey folks	21:08
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+danny_mk	scrottie: hope you had a good weekend, did you get the entire file?	21:35
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doc_gt7	Hello friends. Quick question. When using the wre how do you reload apache without restarting all of webgui? ( working on a macro )	21:42
+danny_mk	service webgui restartweb	21:43
+danny_mk	or something like that	21:43
+danny_mk	look at the options by running service webgui without any arguments	21:43
+danny_mk	I am pretty sure it will show you all the options	21:43
doc_gt7	thank ya :)	21:44
+danny_mk	your welcome	21:44
doc_gt7	That actually puts out: {start\|stop\|restart\|force-reload} which seems to reload the entire shebang.	21:45
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+danny_mk	hold on	21:47
+danny_mk	darnit, I don't have a wre installation available. What does this file point to: ls -l /etc/init.d/webgui	21:48
@scrottie	danny_mk, did you see my email? sizes don't match, still. sorry. rsync again? it should resume where it left off. I emailed the rsync command again	21:48
+danny_mk	scrottie: ok, I will take a look at it	21:49
doc_gt7	returns: /etc/init.d/webgui	21:49
+danny_mk	I am sure it is service webgui restartweb	21:50
+danny_mk	but just for kicks	21:50
+danny_mk	do: more /etc/init.d/webgui	21:50
+danny_mk	that should show you all the options available	21:51
@scrottie	/usr/local/bin/httpd -f /usr/local/conf/httpd.conf -E /tmp/error_log -k graceful	21:51
+danny_mk	scrottie: were did you send the email? I must have missed it	21:51
@scrottie	doc_gt7, that's what I do. will require changes for your system. eg, -f /data/wre/conf/modperl.conf (I think it is)	21:51
doc_gt7	Will test that. Thanks :)	21:52
doc_gt7	Works great -> "/data/wre/prereqs/bin/httpd -f /data/wre/etc/httpd.conf -E /tmp/error_log -k graceful"	22:00
@scrottie	if stuff gets mucked up badly enough, you will have to do a full restart	22:01
doc_gt7	Once apon a time I knew how to pass a variable from one page to another like: ?section=this&that=2 Now I cannot find how I "reuqested" the var. Sorry, a bit rusty here :)	22:02
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+danny_mk	that looks right, are you talking about reading the values in a macro?	22:12
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doc_gt7	yea. I have a macro that calls for next results. It tracks the page by "page=2" "page=3" ect.. I think it may use ^FormParam(page); but at the moment does not seem to be working.	22:14
+danny_mk	^FormParam(this); ^FormParam(that);	22:15
+danny_mk	is FormParam enabled?	22:15
doc_gt7	yea, I have it enabled. Seems to always return "2" :) Probably something I am overlooking. Just wanted to check that I was using the correct syntax there.	22:17
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+perlDreamer	doc_gt7: wreservice.pl --restart modperl	00:14
+perlDreamer	or this: /data/wre/prereqs/bin/apachectl -f /data/wre/etc/modperl.conf -D WRE-modperl -E /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log -k graceful	00:14
+perlDreamer	which is that scrottie said, but with WRE binaries and configs	00:14
doc_gt7	Excellent. Thank you. It takes a minute to restart, but if you do it 100 times it adds up :)	00:15
+perlDreamer	indeed, which is also a great reason for getting a faster dev box!	00:15
doc_gt7	Playing on a sandbox... and it is not bad. Dual xeon, 2 gig of ram yada yada. But I am rusty and make a lot of mistakes. which makes me reload constantly.	00:18
+perlDreamer	you ever think of doing your testing via a command-line test?	00:18
+perlDreamer	like t/Macro/a_account.t ?	00:18
doc_gt7	Example?	00:18
doc_gt7	I have been using eclipse -> open ssh . save and reload webgui.	00:19
+perlDreamer	hm this would be close to that	00:19
+perlDreamer	however, you would write the macro	00:19
+perlDreamer	write a test	00:19
+perlDreamer	ship them up to your site	00:19
+perlDreamer	then run the test	00:19
+perlDreamer	export WEBGUI_CONFIG=/data/WebGUI/etc/mywebgui.conf perl t/Macro/doc_macro.t	00:20
+perlDreamer	that runs the test, and tells you if each part of it passes	00:20
doc_gt7	Hrrm, nice. I will see if I can make that happen, would help me a lot.	00:20
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb1df3ad / t/Asset/Wobject/Survey/package.t : Fix a flaky test. - http://git.io/6YM4Ew	00:37
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+perlDreamer	Interesting read on the O'Reilly Answers site: http://answers.oreilly.com/topic/3101-how-to-remove-black-magic-evil-spirits-attack/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+OreillyAnswers+%28O%27Reilly+Answers%29	01:12
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ba3022 / (31 files in 16 dirs): Preparing for 7.10.24 release. - http://git.io/B_8IcA	06:56
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3c8ee71 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.25 development. - http://git.io/fY1EuQ	07:28
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pskept	when editing a collaboration system, under the display tab, the sort by option: several user definied sort by methods are listed. how do i access and modify these? i cannot find anything about this via searching the webgui site. i would like to make a random sort by order.	18:30
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sbaur	Collabs have 4 userdefined fields built into them. In order to get any data into them, you have to add the fields into your Post Form template. Once they have data, you can sort on them like any other field	19:14
pskept	in that case it seems as though i need to look in a different direction to accomplish what i'd like. thanks.	19:15
sbaur	I'm not quite sure what you mean by random sort by order, but you might want to ask again when perlDreamer is around	19:16
pskept	i simply want to display several items at once from a larger list of items in no particular order.	19:18
pskept	RandomAssetProxy does not seem appropriate as it only displays 1 asset at a time.	19:19
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	19:29
sbaur	morning	19:29
pskept	perlDreamer: hi, i was asking questions about the sorting options of the collaboration system. i was to sort in a random order. i was told you may be able to help. do you have any ideas?	19:34
pskept	*want to sort in a random order	19:34
+perlDreamer	The Collaboration System only sorts in deterministic order	19:35
+perlDreamer	by title, last reply, date created and so on	19:35
+perlDreamer	for sorting in random order, you'd have to patch the Collaboration System (CS) to do that	19:35
pskept	i see. thanks.	19:35
+perlDreamer	and it would not be an easy patch	19:35
+perlDreamer	Now, with different templating options, like Template::Toolkit, you could probably simulate that	19:36
+perlDreamer	where the threads or posts on each page could be randomly sorted	19:37
+perlDreamer	but for overall random sorting, you'd be stuck with altering the Asset itself	19:37
pskept	i simply want to display several items at once from a larger list of items in no particular order. is there any appropriate asset for this?	19:39
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+perlDreamer	it depends, what kind of items are we talking about?	19:40
pskept	items containing text and possibly html	19:41
+perlDreamer	and you really need randomness, or just no particular order?	19:42
pskept	no particular order	19:42
+perlDreamer	so, would the order in which they were added work?	19:43
pskept	no, i apologize, i am not being clear here. i was arguing the definition of random in my head and since we all no there will be no true randomness here i will clarify with: no particular order but a different order each time its viewed.	19:44
pskept	*know	19:44
+perlDreamer	okay, well, let's keep plumbing WebGUI's depths	19:45
+perlDreamer	how many items do you want to display at a time?	19:45
pskept	7	19:46
pskept	i am implementing a design by someone else. it has 7.	19:46
pskept	i have looked at the collaboration system, story manager, randomassetproxy. still looking...	19:47
+perlDreamer	I don't think there is any asset in WebGUI that will do this. Your best bet is to try making a custom macro similar to the RandomAssetProxy that will display more than one asset at a time.	19:48
+perlDreamer	you could try using 7 RandomAssetProxy macros, but it's likely that there will be duplicates	19:48
pskept	that is exactly what i figured.	19:48
pskept	ok i will look into the custom macro.	19:48
+perlDreamer	do you run your own server?	19:48
pskept	yes	19:49
pskept	(the sysadmin i work with does)	19:49
+perlDreamer	that's good, because most of the WebGUI hosters that I know don't allow custom code in shared servers	19:52
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pskept	where can i find documentation on writing a custom macro? i am having little luck with the site search and it doesn't appear to be mentioned in any of the three webgui books that we have.	19:59
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sbaur	I'm not a programmer. But, even I've put together a simple custom macro. I started by copying RandomAssetProxy and then modifying it to suit my needs. When I thought I had something that might work, I fired up a test environment, added my macro's name into the conf file, added a copy of my macro into the appropriate place in our custom code directory which is listed in ..WebGUI/sbin/preload.custom and restarting my test instance of webgui	20:07
sbaur	after much debugging I was ready to put it into production...	20:07
+perlDreamer	the Developer's guide was released as a wiki page, the macro writing section is here: http://www.webgui.org/user-guides/developers-guide/developers-guide-wiki/writing-macros-for-webgui	20:09
+perlDreamer	the community wiki would also be a good place to look	20:09
pskept	thanks.	20:58
+perlDreamer	Feel free to ask questions here in channel too	21:05
+perlDreamer	most everyone is a programmer	21:05
+perlDreamer	except for perlbot	21:05
pskept	awesome. i intend to hang out and ask or contribute. reading the writing macros section now.	21:06
+perlDreamer	so what do you use WebGUI for? Business site, university, organization?	21:08
pskept	county government website	21:12
pskept	hopefully other things in the future. the intranet possibilities seem really awesome.	21:13
+perlDreamer	WebGUI is particularly good at intranets, with the selection of Assets and hierarchial group permissions	21:16
+danny_mk	It is also good for user/group management as a SSO front end to applications built with other frameworks like Catalyst/Dancer/JSF/Grails	21:37
pskept	we will need just that.	21:38
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3b418ed / (149 files in 78 dirs): Merge commit 'v7.10.24' into WebGUI8 (+5 more commits...) - http://git.io/kfI7KQ	01:04
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3c85c21 / (76 files in 2 dirs): Update the upgrade directory. - http://git.io/mkfG6A	05:10
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r1ab73e2 / t/Asset/Template.t : Have to use Test::More to get its functions... - http://git.io/yd0WEQ	05:10
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra6e1adf / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixes to Survey tests and merged code from 7.10 - http://git.io/B-scMg	05:10
+perlDreamer	getting closer...	05:30
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@scrottie	DELIKAT!!!!	16:58
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	18:12
haarg	morning	18:12
+perlDreamer	haarg, what would you think of an asset deleting plugin for wgd?	18:18
+perlDreamer	It kind of reminds me of handing machetes and machine guns to young children	18:18
+perlDreamer	but I had a case yesterday (and am still working on that site) where command line deleting would be a help	18:19
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+perlDreamer	Since I'm close to a release of 8.0.0, I'm closing the WebGUI8 branch of the git repo	18:52
+perlDreamer	making feature releases at this point would require me to rerun some upgrade tests, which take about 8 hours	18:53
+perlDreamer	I made a post with more details on the developer's forum	18:53
haarg	perlDreamer, i'd be fine with a command to delete assets	18:56
haarg	kind of surprised it hasn't come up before	18:56
+perlDreamer	now all I need is a clean branch of wgd to built it in...	19:06
+perlDreamer	and time to do it	19:06
+perlDreamer	after I come back from the gym	19:10
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+perlDreamer	haarg: the new wgd doesn't bundle Try::Tiny	21:09
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+perlDreamer	maybe it shouldn't	21:10
+perlDreamer	but older WebGUI's don't use that	21:10
+perlDreamer	also, I sent a pull request for wgd trash	21:11
haarg	hrm	21:11
haarg	i wonder how that happened	21:11
+perlDreamer	it's in the dist.ini file	21:15
+perlDreamer	and other modules are in there	21:15
+perlDreamer	like version	21:15
+perlDreamer	seems to be local to me	21:16
+perlDreamer	since the one on your site has it in it	21:16
haarg	you might try reinstalling Try::Tiny	21:17
haarg	maybe it can't find the packfile for some reason	21:18
+perlDreamer	it's Ubuntu's module management	21:20
+perlDreamer	i just upgraded to 11.04	21:20
haarg	ah	21:22
haarg	yeah, i never really thought about distro managed modules	21:22
haarg	especially since that doesn't exist on mac	21:23
+perlDreamer	the odd thing is that using Try::Tiny works fine	21:23
+perlDreamer	but Fatpacking it didn't	21:23
+perlDreamer	I'm reinstalling Dist::Zilla, too	21:24
+perlDreamer	and that should fix it	21:24
+perlDreamer	or so I thought...	21:25
+perlDreamer	parent didn't get installed eithe	21:27
+perlDreamer	either	21:27
pskept	how can i display the contents of a collaboration system in two different ways? one would be a small list with its own style template and the other would be the full list with its own style template.	21:28
+perlDreamer	pskept, use a shortcut asset and override the template that the shortcut uses	21:28
+perlDreamer	that only works for the view method though	21:28
haarg	perlDreamer, i'm guessing that the ubuntu packages don't include packfiles	21:28
pskept	ok. i'll take a look at the shortcut asset. thank you!	21:28
+perlDreamer	when I reinstalled Try::Tiny, it did the same thing	21:28
+perlDreamer	but maybe I have multiple Try::Tiny's now	21:29
+perlDreamer	nope	21:35
haarg	when you say you reinstalled Try::Tiny, how are you installing it?	21:38
+perlDreamer	cpanm Try::Tiny	21:59
haarg	where is it installing to?	21:59
+perlDreamer	/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/Try/Tiny.pm	22:04
+perlDreamer	and I've got 3 of them installed	22:04
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+perlDreamer	/usr/share/perl5	22:04
+perlDreamer	and /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.{0,1}	22:05
+perlDreamer	perldoc -l perfers the /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1	22:05
haarg	is there a packfile in /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/$archdir/auto/Try/Tiny/.packlist ?	22:07
haarg	not sure what $archdir is for you	22:07
haarg	perl -V:archname	22:12
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+perlDreamer	auto directory at all	22:43
+perlDreamer	just a .meta directory	22:43
+perlDreamer	/usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1/i686-linux-gnu-thread-multi/.meta	22:43
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haarg	hmm	22:44
haarg	can you try using local::lib? cpanm local::lib; eval `perl -Mlocal::lib`	22:45
haarg	then cpanm Try::Tiny, and see if it creates a packfile in ~/perl5/lib/...	22:46
+perlDreamer	eval `perl -Mlocal::lib` didn't seem to do anything useful	22:48
haarg	as in no output or something else>?	22:48
haarg	it shouldn't necessarily output anything	22:49
haarg	you can see what it did with echo $PERL_MM_OPT	22:50
haarg	among other things	22:50
+perlDreamer	that created a packfile in the perl5 directory	22:56
+perlDreamer	maybe this is broken: DEBPKG:debian/instmodsh_doc - Debian policy doesn't install .packlist files for core or vendor.	22:59
haarg	yeah	22:59
haarg	i'm not sure if it could be considered broken, but fatpacker does need the packlist files to work properly	23:00
+perlDreamer	it's odd that only those two modules (Try::Tiny and parent) didn't work though	23:01
+perlDreamer	since all the other installed modules did	23:01
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+perlDreamer	worst case it just means that I can't make wgdev releases	23:02
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r46152ed / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Event.pm : POD for an Asset::Event method. - http://git.io/U_lH5A	23:17
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r475b73f / t/POD.t : Cleaner method for finding module names from package paths. - http://git.io/DePFrA	23:17
pskept	any of you guys use dwm or another tiling/dynamic wm?	23:19
pskept	i am trying to make my webgui html source editor windows in firefox float.	23:20
+perlDreamer	sorry, I've never done anything like that	23:21
+perlDreamer	most of my work is down inside WebGUI's API	23:21
pskept	no big deal. seems like there are some linux users in here so i thought i'd ask.	23:21
pskept	i see. the stuff discussed in the developers guide?	23:22
+perlDreamer	yes	23:22
pskept	the included perl modules, etc?	23:22
+perlDreamer	right, the WebGUI, Spectre and Plack modules	23:22
+perlDreamer	plus the tests	23:22
+perlDreamer	apache configs	23:22
pskept	cool.	23:22
haarg	perlDreamer, you could probably run eval `perl -Mlocal::lib`; dzil listdeps \| cpanm -L ~/perl5; dzil build	23:23
haarg	would force all the prereqs to get built into ~/perl5 so they could be packaged	23:24
haarg	or eval `perl -Mlocal::lib=extlib`; dzil listdeps \| cpanm -L extlib; dzil build	23:25
haarg	to use a different directory	23:25
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7406c02 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Add a bunch of missing POD while the gears spin. - http://git.io/-EImmQ	23:39
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re97d84f / t/POD.t : Better methods for finding module names from package names for t/POD.t - http://git.io/iPp36Q	23:40
+perlDreamer	yes, that did it	23:40
+perlDreamer	interesting data point	23:59
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+perlDreamer	for a site with 5500 assets, it takes almost an hour to export every asset as HTML	00:00
+perlDreamer	given that we break the cache for every asset, that's not too shabby	00:00
haarg	perlDreamer, re wgdev trash	00:22
haarg	will restore actually work?	00:22
haarg	seems like it would fail to find assets because they are in the trash	00:22
haarg	and at some point it would probably be worth adding something to list stuff in the trash	00:23
+perlDreamer	it really works haarg	00:37
+perlDreamer	and adding --list would be fairly simple, too	00:37
+perlDreamer	do you want me to add that now?	00:38
haarg	only if you want to	00:38
+perlDreamer	I have this long running script (50 minutes) that I have to babysit	00:38
+perlDreamer	turns out that exporting large sites to HTML takes a very long time	00:40
+perlDreamer	and it's not a process that can be restarted where you left off	00:40
+perlDreamer	haarg, one trash lister	01:13
+perlDreamer	according to github, the same pull request will get you both	01:14
haarg	cool	01:15
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mindspin	Hi after installnig wre on debian Modperl and mysql wont start. testEnvironment says that apache2::Request is missing. I cannot get it installed properly .	13:08
mindspin	any hint?	13:08
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc35b2e5 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : findBrokenAssets: Don't delete Shortcuts if they were requested to be fixed. Also handle File assets that have lost their files. - http://git.io/XlcRqQ	21:18
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4ea362b / (6 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8. - http://git.io/22ZHJg	21:18
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3ef66c7 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Add broken shortcut detection to findBrokenAssets - http://git.io/xagDFA	21:18
* perlDreamer prepares for massive commit messaging...		21:31
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4ea362b / (6 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8. - http://git.io/22ZHJg	21:31
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pskept	could changing the rank of my custom folders in the import node have any negative affects?	21:48
haarg	all it effects is order	21:49
pskept	just making sure. thanks.	21:50
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r3a3227c / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : Fix a typo in the documentation for the list of assets in the Admin Console. Thanks to ckotil for pointing it out. - http://git.io/Qmt1Kg	00:37
CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc253db8 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : Fix a typo in the documentation for the list of assets in the Admin Console. Thanks to ckotil for pointing it out. - http://git.io/JcwDzw	00:38
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CIA-77	wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * r4ae4877 / lib/WGDev/Command/Trash.pm : Add a new plugin for trashing, restoring and purging assets. - http://git.io/lzXRPA	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: Colin Kuskie master * rbe3d058 / lib/WGDev/Command/Trash.pm : Add a command to list assets in the trash. - http://git.io/2WA8Aw	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd5d60eb / lib/WGDev/Command/Trash.pm : Merge remote-tracking branch 'perlDreamer/trash' - http://git.io/ZDItfQ	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r66ecfd9 / Changes : updating changelog - http://git.io/CvcF8A	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r8fad376 / Changes :	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: v0.1201200	02:40
CIA-77	wgdev: - New command trash allows trashing, purging, and restoring assets, as well as listing trashed items - http://git.io/m0nepg	02:40
haarg	perlDreamer, i can't really test everything with webgui/wgdev right now, so i'd appreciate if you could test that	02:42
+perlDreamer	I can try that, in a while	03:40
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@scrottie	DELIKAT!!!	06:08
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+MrHairgrease	howdy howdy	15:35
+MrHairgrease	anyone knows how to turn on the admin interface in wg8?	15:35
+BartJol	not me, as you already discovered	15:47
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@daviddelikat	scrottie?	16:12
pskept	morning all. i am having trouble formatting the date template variable in a syndicated content template. the dates appear like this: 1327069920, 1327067400. i looked in another templete and saw dateSubmitted.human but adding the .human made it not show up. what i am doing wrong? i have been and currently am searching the site and documentation.	16:45
+MrHairgrease	pskept, you can use the ^D macro for formatting dates. See http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/date-macro	16:47
+MrHairgrease	In your case you could put something like ^D("%z %Z", <tmpl_var dateSubmitted>); in your template	16:48
pskept	excellent. thank you.	16:48
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mindspin	hi webgui won't start here apche eror.log gives me some perl errors and a symbol lookup error. any idea how to solve this issue?	18:36
@scrottie	mindspin, did you do the wre install or a source install?	18:51
@scrottie	DELIKAT!!!	18:51
@scrottie	MrHairgrease, did you run upgrades and see a bunch of upgrades run?	18:52
+MrHairgrease	scrottie, yeah I figured that out already. After the upgrade everything run fine	18:52
@scrottie	usually the first thing people notice when wG8 isn't working correctly (besides the layouts being broken) is the admin not turning on.	18:52
mindspin	scrottie: I used the debian packages	18:52
@scrottie	ahh, good.	18:52
+MrHairgrease	That's what you get for not hacking on webgui for so long =)	18:53
@scrottie	mindspin, I'm the least familiar with those. I understand that some docs come with it. if memory serves, they go into /usr/share/doc.	18:53
mindspin	I#ve reead it up and down	18:53
@scrottie	mindspin, alright, post the errors that you're getting into a gist.github.com and paste the URL of that into here?	18:54
+MrHairgrease	mindspin: I don't use these packages either, but if you get symbol errors, it looks like either your modperl, or another compiled perl module is borked somehow	18:54
mindspin	http://pastebin.com/eVeyzKuQ	18:56
mindspin	I#m not sure wther the error is on my site and i miss some rights and files	18:57
@scrottie	"/usr/sbin/apache2: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6: undefined symbol: _ZNSt14error_categoryD2Ev, version GLIBCXX_3.4.15" ... well, that's not good.	18:58
@scrottie	mindspin, what happens when you do "apt-get install apache2" ?	18:59
@scrottie	ie, is there a newer Apache that Debian will install for you?	18:59
mindspin	maybe, I had to do a lot of apt-pinning	19:00
mindspin	Ill have a look which version it is	19:00
@scrottie	as it is, it seems like your Apache package is out of sync with your libc. it also seems like Linux completely screwed the pooch with regards to library major/minor versioning which is the foundation of shared libraries in Unix.	19:01
mindspin	I could upgrade to the sid version	19:02
@scrottie	ignoring bugs and security flaws, any library of a given name and same major version is supposed to work, but at some point, it became common practise to break the API in minor versions.	19:02
@scrottie	mindspin, do you get the same error when you try to start apache by itself, without trying to start WebGUI? if so, you might talk to #debian. I don't want to suggest something that winds up making the situation worse.	19:02
mindspin	hehe I'll have a try	19:03
@scrottie	mindspin, another option is to try WebGUI8 which is Plack based and doesn't use Apache/mod_perl. mod_perl is a creaking dinosaur.	19:03
@scrottie	there isn't a Debian package for it yet but install/setup is a lot easier than the source install for wG7.	19:04
mindspin	Is WebGUI 8 Production ready?	19:08
mindspin	and running on debian?	19:08
mindspin	Iam still running 5.8	19:08
mindspin	an now its time to switch	19:08
mindspin	or leave webgui	19:08
sbaur	WG8 is not production ready, it's about to be released as a beta	19:09
mindspin	so Ill have to stick to 7	19:09
mindspin	apahe doesnt start so it is maybe not webgui related	19:10
@scrottie	wG8 runs on Debian ;)	19:14
@scrottie	okay, 5.8 is going to be a problem	19:14
@scrottie	mindspin, I recommend upgrading. but if you don't want to, you can do the WRE install method. the WRE bundles its own Apache, MySQL, perl, and everything else you need.	19:15
@scrottie	then wG7 uses all of that instead of system versions of things.	19:15
mindspin	I didn't get it to run	19:16
@scrottie	you didn't get the WRE to run?	19:16
mindspin	neither mysql nor apachemodperl started	19:16
mindspin	but if apache2 is the culprit, wre isn#t to blame	19:16
@scrottie	you didn't get mysql or httpd in the WRE to run? or your system ones?	19:17
@scrottie	actually, you're running 64 bit. you can run the WRE, but building XS Perl modules would prove difficult. I don't recommend the WRE in this case.	19:17
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@scrottie	perl 5.15.7 is available for testing!	19:19
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mindspin	hi, after fighting for four days, Igot webgui now running. But I see no rich-text editor when openineg or creating an article. What do I miss?	01:54
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@scrottie	hrm.	02:02
@scrottie	what do you see?	02:03
@scrottie	and which WebGUI are you running? which version?	02:03
mindspin	there is nothing	02:06
mindspin	its 7.9.33	02:07
mindspin	its the ubuntu package now	02:07
mindspin	on32 bit server version	02:07
mindspin	64 bit created much hassle	02:08
mindspin	when I go to assets search itshows even nothing	02:09
mindspin	stop	02:09
mindspin	now it shows me 3 editors	02:09
mindspin	today I checked out for five hours to get cpan runing because there has to be changed a setting in a config-file	02:11
mindspin	it was my last shot and it solved the installation	02:11
@scrottie	which setting had to be changed?	02:13
@scrottie	I'd love to make wG8 install much, much more smoothly than 7	02:13
mindspin	let me rethink	02:14
@scrottie	screenshots of any screens that don't look right?	02:14
mindspin	btw there is still no editor shown in article view	02:14
@scrottie	installing all of the modules is very difficult	02:14
@scrottie	anything in /data/wre/var/logs/webgui.log?	02:14
mindspin	mom	02:14
@scrottie	paste the last few screens of that file?	02:14
mindspin	RROR - webgui.conf - WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::SyndicatedContent::generateFeed[177] - Syndicated Content asset (fK-HMSboA3uu0c1KYkYspA) has a bad feed URL (http://www.plainblack.com/news/news?func=viewRSS). Failed with Invalid feed format: html at /usr/share/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SyndicatedContent.pm line 173	02:15
@scrottie	er, don't paste them into here	02:16
@scrottie	paste them into gist.github.com or a service like that	02:16
mindspin	three lines	02:16
mindspin	;-)	02:16
@scrottie	anything in /data/wre/var/logs/modperl.error.log ?	02:16
mindspin	there is something mentioned about mce not found in apache2 error.log	02:18
@scrottie	lack of a tinymce would keep the rich editor from working.	02:18
@scrottie	I wonder if you set paths correctly in your config file.	02:19
@scrottie	I have a line like this: "extrasPath" : "/data/WebGUI/www/extras",	02:19
@scrottie	in /data/WebGUI/etc/<my site>.conf	02:19
@scrottie	what does yours say?	02:19
mindspin	usr/share/webgui/extras/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce/langs/de.js	02:19
mindspin	I have no data	02:20
@scrottie	okay, whereever your config file is.	02:20
@scrottie	what does it say for "extrasPath"?	02:20
mindspin	http://pastebin.com/PwrNCqde	02:22
mindspin	usr/share/webgui/extras	02:22
@scrottie	if you ls that directory, what do you see? is there AttachmentsControl, addHTTP.js, editarea, htlp.css and about 30 other files?	02:24
mindspin	editarea and htlp.ss is missing	02:27
mindspin	and its about 50 files ;_	02:27
mindspin	;-)	02:27
mindspin	tinymce and tinymce-webgui is there	02:28
@scrottie	are the directories readable by the user you're running httpd as?	02:32
mindspin	good question	02:32
@scrottie	you might also check modproxy.error.log	02:33
@scrottie	that should have errors related to serving static files	02:33
mindspin	thea are all owned by root	02:34
mindspin	its 755 what should be enough	02:37
@scrottie	yeah.	02:37
@scrottie	anything in modproxy.error.log?	02:37
mindspin	there's no modproxy.error.log on my machine	02:38
@scrottie	oh, you aren't running the wre. but you do have a modperl.error.log?	02:42
mindspin	no	02:43
@scrottie	okay. in the httpd.conf that you do have...	02:44
@scrottie	well, let me paste	02:44
@scrottie	http://pastebin.com/j95YDMhj	02:44
mindspin	apache2 error.log says that something is wrong with Apache::SizeLimit, and zthat some tinymce-stuff is missing	02:44
@scrottie	can you paste that into pastebin?	02:45
@scrottie	Apache::SizeLimit I'm not surprised about.	02:45
@scrottie	in my httpd.conf, in the VirtualHost section for WebGUI (as I pasted in pastebin), I have a like this: DocumentRoot /data/domains/dev.localhost.localdomain/public	02:45
@scrottie	I'm not using the wre either, for my dev machine.	02:45
@scrottie	inside /data/domains/dev.localhost.localdomain/public is extras and public	02:46
mindspin	that is what worries me I miss those files. noe www, no public, but the site is there	02:46
@scrottie	that way, when people request /extras/editarea/edit_area/edit_area.js, for example, Apache knows where to find it	02:46
@scrottie	you set up the httpd.conf yourself, right?	02:47
@scrottie	using the source install instructions?	02:47
@scrottie	there are instructions for setting up "public" and "uploads" and "extras"	02:47
@scrottie	you may need to double check those.	02:47
mindspin	I just symlinked apache.config to conf.d	02:47
@scrottie	you need to copy the starting uploads stuff out of your copy of WebGUI into your web dir and other things.	02:48
@scrottie	http://www.webgui.org/wiki/source-install, under "webgui files"	02:49
@scrottie	but you need to use the correct paths if you did something other than /data	02:49
mindspin	I#ve read them up and don last week	02:50
mindspin	but I gues you are right	02:50
mindspin	Ill have to pick some from here and some from there	02:50
mindspin	thats not nice	02:50
mindspin	I would have liked if the wre install hadt worjed	02:51
mindspin	k	02:51
mindspin	my first impression of webgui 7 is positive	02:51
mindspin	lot of things look familiar to a 5.8 user	02:52
mindspin	its time to sleep here in gemany	02:52
mindspin	thanks for your assistance	02:52
@scrottie	goodluck! and don't be afraid to come ask more questions	02:53
@scrottie	we can keep trying here too.	02:53
@scrottie	wre install is a lot easier than source install.	02:53
@scrottie	but still too involved.	02:53
mindspin	the first partition of the disk can be erased .. ;-)	02:53
mindspin	good night	02:54
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+danny_mk	scrottie: you around?	04:50
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r35f1492 / share/site.psgi : No need to serve dictionaries anymore. - http://git.io/TrEz_w	18:47
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+danny_mk	Why is the "active sessions ?op=viewActiveSessions" showing expired sessions? (WebGUI v7.10.23)	19:34
+danny_mk	darnit, spectre is not running. This should solve the issue.	19:41
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ckotil	https://github.com/joho/7XX-rfc	22:42
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mindspin	can anybody tell me where DocumentRoot is in webgui for ubuntu-server?	22:49
mindspin	I also have these errors in webgui.log: http://pastebin.com/UgKQ6bpm	22:50
sbaur	the problem with the sql statement is that there's nothing in the where clause. I can't imagine why it would just through "where () " in there. But I can't figure out what asset might be generating that bad sql.	22:59
sbaur	find your site's modproxy file. the document root should be listed in it	22:59
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mindspin	cant find mod_proxy file nor modproxy	00:19
sbaur	then the httpd.conf file that has your site's VirtualHost directive in it	00:29
mindspin	I just linked apache.config to apache config.d	00:41
mindspin	and there's only WebguiRoot /usr/share/webgui	00:44
mindspin	my main problem is, that there is no richtexteditor shown on articles	00:48
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+perlDreamer	haarg: wgd trash is working great in the main wgdev branch	03:27
haarg	cool	03:27
+perlDreamer	I tried trash, --list, --restore, --purge and all is well	03:27
+perlDreamer	I think the next thing I'll try is some of the other, older code that's waiting for me to implement your suggestions	03:27
+perlDreamer	like page-speed	03:27
+perlDreamer	and the language work for dist	03:28
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+perlDreamer	page-speed cache file ownership is fixed	04:18
+perlDreamer	now, on to reporting errors	04:19
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pskept	i want to modify a collaboration system link list template so that every other link and its details have alternating css attributes. my first thought is to declare my own boolean template variable to keep track of which css to add. is this possible? is there a more appropriate method?	17:19
@scrottie	http://www.perl.com/pub/2007/02/ has an example of doing that with HTML::Template, but it looks terrible	17:54
pskept	i'll take a look. i've been searching and searching and have not found an appropriate solution.	17:55
@scrottie	I have not been able to find anything since Google made all of the search words optional and started ignoring +'s in front of things	17:55
pskept	i switched to ddg awhile ago. but i wouldn't suggest doing the same as there was little gained regarding the quality of searches.	17:56
pskept	actually no gain at all.	17:56
@scrottie	afk	17:57
haarg	the + thing is rather annoying. it was a lot more convenient to type than quoting things, and it's so often needed to force it to actually search for what you type in	17:57
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@scrottie	you could use frodwith's utility to convert the template to Template::Toolkit	18:10
sbaur	I've had lots of success with that utility	18:10
sbaur	http://www.webgui.org/ht_to_tt	18:11
ckotil	woah! does it handle h:t:e also?	18:17
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@scrottie	then you should be able to do something like [% FOREACH item IN bag_of_stuff %] [% IF loop.index % 2 %] one style [% ELSE %] other style [% END %] [% END %]	18:18
@scrottie	dunno!	18:19
@scrottie	but don't quote me on that	18:19
* ckotil tries		18:19
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ckotil	this tool leaves out macros.	18:24
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ckotil	useful none the less	18:28
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+perlDreamer	morning folks	18:29
@scrottie	heya perlDreamer.	18:29
haarg	probably the asset used on that page doesn't bypass macro parsing	18:29
haarg	the underlying converter doesn't do that	18:29
haarg	i don't know where the code for what's used on that page is though	18:30
haarg	oh, found it	18:31
haarg	http://gist.github.com/1671031	18:41
+perlDreamer	haarg: is there a problem with the HT/TT translator?	18:51
haarg	evaluates macros	18:51
+perlDreamer	hm	18:52
+perlDreamer	haarg, if you send frodwith a pull request I'm sure he'd merge it in pretty quickly	18:57
+perlDreamer	I can hot patch us in the meantime	18:57
+perlDreamer	or I can do it, since I forked his repo a while ago for some WebGUI 8 experiments	19:06
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pskept	is there a macro that will trim text or give substrings? i looked through the list in the help and nothing stood out to me.	21:19
+perlDreamer	there is not	21:20
pskept	cool thanks	21:20
sbaur	you might be able to do it with the SQL macro and use mysql's built in functions	21:20
pskept	i don't want to go that far with it.	21:21
pskept	yet	21:21
sbaur	understood	21:21
pskept	thanks though!	21:21
+perlDreamer	it would be better to write a custom macro for that, if you run your own server	21:21
sbaur	but selecting from the dual table is a way to do it without actually mucking in the db	21:21
@scrottie	Template::Toolkit filters...?	21:41
@scrottie	it's been a T::T kinda day	21:41
pskept	where is the reference material for template toolkit, i've checked the help, user guides and searched. i found a video but i don't want to watch that.	21:51
@scrottie	cpan.org	21:54
pskept	i see	21:55
@scrottie	http://search.cpan.org/~abw/Template-Toolkit-2.23/lib/Template/Manual.pod	21:55
pskept	thanks. i was searching the webgui site.	21:55
@scrottie	http://search.cpan.org/~abw/Template-Toolkit-2.23/lib/Template/Manual/Filters.pod in particular	21:55
@scrottie	setting up T::T in WebGUI if it isn't already is another (fairly simple) matter	21:56
pskept	"How To Enable Other Template Engines" ?	21:56
@scrottie	sounds like that would be it	21:56
pskept	mpc pause	21:59
pskept	woops	21:59
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+perlDreamer	scrottie++ for clutch knowledge	23:30
+perlDreamer	we need to pick some weekend and then do a marathon conversion session and get HTML::Template out of WebGUI	23:31
sbaur	sounds like a really good idea	23:31
+perlDreamer	once I get 8.0 out, I think I can take on projects like that	23:36
+perlDreamer	but I need time to get 8.0 out itself	23:36
+perlDreamer	There are only 316 templates to convert	23:36
sbaur	only	23:39
+perlDreamer	and with frodwith's module, it should be fully automatable too	23:42
+perlDreamer	come to think of it, between that and some syntax checking tests, this should be dirt simple to do	23:43
+perlDreamer	what we can't do is take advantage of all the niceties of cleaning up the template syntax and reducing the data we send	23:43
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+perlDreamer	ckotil: the HT to TT translator doesn't evaluate macros any longer	23:50
ckotil	yeah, no bigyg	23:54
+perlDreamer	oh sure, now you say that	23:54
ckotil	heh. you did join the channel just after scrottie mentioned it	23:55
* perlDreamer has ISP		23:56
+perlDreamer	IRC-sensory perception	23:56
ckotil	and im on teh record saying 'still usefull none the less' even if it doesnt evaluate macros	23:56
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sbaur	I'm test upgrading a site on a different box. I suspect I fat fingered a conf file. Anyone seen this modproxy.error message before? proxy: Max-Forwards has reached zero - proxy loop? returned by /	00:43
sbaur	found it, had to comment out one of the default rewriteCond and RewriteRule pairs	00:47
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@daviddelikat	anybody know if wreconsole.log location is configurable?	20:50
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mindspin	Hi, I'm trying to get wre running on a fresh and updated ubuntu oneiric server 32 bit. wreconsole gives my an error. wre/prereqs is missing	21:03
@daviddelikat	it is looking for /data/wre/prereqs	21:15
mindspin	yupp but the folder does not exist	21:25
mindspin	after unpacking wre its \/data/wrebuild/wre	21:26
mindspin	there are no subfolders in wre	21:27
mindspin	hehe, after rerunnig build.sh its there	21:33
mindspin	but the subfolders are empty	21:36
+perlDreamer	if the subfolders are empty, then it didn't build	21:50
mindspin	where can I find error output?	21:54
mindspin	now it builds, weird	22:02
mindspin	but the error is in front of screen	22:03
@scrottie	mindspin, are you building the wre from source or using the binary distro?	22:34
@scrottie	what .tar.gz did you uncompress?	22:35
mindspin	its the source	22:38
mindspin	wre-0.9.3-source.tar.gz	22:39
@scrottie	did you build it successfully and install?	22:39
@scrottie	what point are you at?	22:39
mindspin	its building	22:39
@scrottie	after it builds and installs, then wreconsole.pl should run.	22:40
mindspin	I hope so ;-)	22:40
@scrottie	if it doesn't build, well, there's also the binary...	22:41
mindspin	WRE ERROR: libgcrypt-1.4.4 make did not complete successfully.	22:50
@scrottie	are you good at fixing C build problems?	22:51
mindspin	nope	22:54
mindspin	or maybe	22:54
mindspin	if its only resolving dependencies by installing it could work	22:55
mindspin	otherwise I'll try something different	22:56
+perlDreamer	did you try downloading one of the WRE binaries precompiled for Ubuntu?	22:56
mindspin	no, not yet because they are way outdated	23:15
mindspin	would you recommend it?	23:15
@scrottie	so are the source tarballs, no?	23:15
@scrottie	it's the easy thing. the source install path that you were taking originally is good if you know how to configure Apache and so forth.	23:16
@scrottie	but you seem to have gotten hung up on configuring Apache.	23:16
@scrottie	imo, you should just run 8.	23:16
mindspin	dunno, I tried debian packages, ubuntu packages, source instal and now I wanna have atry wit wre	23:16
mindspin	not to mention on 6 and 32 bit system	23:17
@scrottie	you still have to carefully follow the instructions even with the wre binary install.	23:17
mindspin	6	23:17
mindspin	i#m absolutely always on the path	23:17
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+perlDreamer	the source in the WRE source is the same version as the compiled versions	23:51
+perlDreamer	8 isn't ready for people to use yet, scrottie	23:51
+perlDreamer	mindspin: we use those same binaries all the time	23:52
+perlDreamer	although we use the RedHat/CentOS ones	23:53
mindspin	I'll try the binary	23:59
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CIA-77	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * rba70198 / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Rewrite to a plack app - http://git.io/cxhe2A	23:37
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CIA-77	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.10 * r20e49b5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Group.pm): Try to trap errors while loading classes. Fixes bug #12321. - http://git.io/vU_VXA	02:04
sbaur	I was wondering, will wg8 be able to import packages created in older versions of webgui, e.g. 7.6.x?	02:30
sbaur	You'd think I'd no better than to ask a question just moments before I sign out. g'night all	02:33
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haarg	afternoon perlDreamer	22:50
+perlDreamer	hey haarg	22:50
haarg	took a look at the demo thing	22:50
+perlDreamer	I hope it was entertaining :)	22:50
haarg	a couple small things - looks like some moose syntax leaked in there	22:50
haarg	and you need to call ->finalize on a Plack::Response when returning it from a psgi app	22:51
+perlDreamer	right, that last part I knew	22:51
+perlDreamer	kind of a bummer that it won't detect and do that for me	22:51
haarg	aside from that, design wise	22:51
haarg	i was initially thinking of some way to keep a hash of demo sites and the psgi apps for them	22:52
haarg	the cleanup on that could be an issue though	22:52
haarg	but re-initializing the app for every request is probably a bit much	22:52
haarg	what might be workable	22:54
haarg	is having a hash for constructed demo apps	22:54
haarg	with a timeout attached in some way	22:54
haarg	and for each request checking the timeout and removing other apps that have timed out	22:55
haarg	could also check for config file existence, but that's kind of a lot of stat calls to do for every request	22:55
haarg	the constructed psgi app won't use a ton of memory, but it still needs to get cleaned up somehow	22:57
haarg	realistically, just relying on the memory limits might work	22:57
haarg	also, before calling the app, you'll need to do some manipulation of PATH_INFO and SCRIPT_NAME	22:59
haarg	similar to what Plack::App::URLMap does	23:00
haarg	so you can probably steal some code from there	23:00
+perlDreamer	I've spent some time trying to figure out how to add a mount to an existing app	23:03
haarg	yeah, i looked into that but didn't see any good options	23:03
+perlDreamer	because what I want is for the wre demo's PSGI to call WebGUI's app.psgi for most stuff	23:03
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+perlDreamer	and then call site.psgi with the right config file for the rest	23:04
+perlDreamer	but I'm thinking I'm going to have to use Plack::App::Cascade	23:04
+perlDreamer	which I don't like the idea of	23:04
haarg	why cascade?	23:04
+perlDreamer	because it's an alternate way of mounting	23:05
+perlDreamer	so, try to call demo.psgi	23:05
+perlDreamer	and it 404's if the hostname is wrong	23:05
+perlDreamer	then handoff to app.psgi	23:05
+perlDreamer	the other thing I thought of was to run a completely different server for demos	23:05
+perlDreamer	so now everything goes through the demo server	23:05
+perlDreamer	but that's additional hosting costs and upgrade times	23:06
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haarg	why can't you use mounts to take care of the different hostnames	23:06
haarg	then inside the demo app do your own dispatching	23:07
+perlDreamer	I guess if I didn't use WebGUI's app.psgi, and duplicate most of the content in a WRE app.psgi which added the demo mount, that would work	23:07
+perlDreamer	it goes back to adding a mount to an existing app	23:08
+perlDreamer	I want something like this to work	23:08
haarg	builder { mount 'http://demo.webgui.org/' => $demo_app; mount '/' => $app_psgi }	23:08
+perlDreamer	yeah	23:09
+perlDreamer	but won't that leading '/' break the hostname lookup in app.psgi?	23:09
haarg	no	23:09
+perlDreamer	well then	23:09
+perlDreamer	I need to get demo.psgi working, and then do some mounting	23:09
haarg	the last mount also functions as a fallback	23:11
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eiro	hello all	18:15
eiro	any way to git clone webgui ?	18:16
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mindspin	webgui's gonna drive ne mad. wre installation fails starting mysql and apachemodperl. testEnvironment throws up a mass of unsolved dependencies.	15:28
mindspin	installation of ubuntu-packages installs, but there is no embeded editor shown in articles. furthermore: I cannot find webguiroot.	15:29
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+perlDreamer	eiro, git clone instructions are on webgui's git repository at github	21:41
+perlDreamer	http://github.com/plainblack/webgui	21:41
+perlDreamer	mindspin, the WRE does not provide all of the perl modules that WebGUI needs. It provides a base, and the essential binaries	21:41
+perlDreamer	also, modperl won't start unless mysql has started	21:42
+perlDreamer	and mysql won't start if you have other mysql config files in the system	21:42
+perlDreamer	all of that's documented on the WRE install instructions and the wiki (and probably in several forum postings as well)	21:42
mindspin	perlDreamer: I've read all available Forum wiki, Readme whatever files	21:54
mindspin	for example: testEnvironment says, that installation of a module fails due to the lack of YAML, but cpan says Yaml is already the newest version	21:57
mindspin	when trying to install DBI::mysql I get This : http://pastebin.com/JeFhHk0U	22:02
mindspin	btw. Iam running WebGUI 5.8 for years with no problems and have to switch to a more recent version.	22:03
+perlDreamer	mindspin: WebGUI evolved a lot since 5.8	22:36
mindspin	jupp but installation is a pain	22:37
+perlDreamer	you need not use the WRE to run WebGUI, you can continue to use what is called a "source install"	22:37
mindspin	I#ve tried wre, source install, and debian and ubuntu packages. all with no luck. I am fighting since to weeks and gonna give it up soon	22:38
+perlDreamer	mindspin, I can't talk about the quality of the debian and ubuntu packages	22:38
+perlDreamer	but I've done both WRE and source installs in the last several weeks and they work fine	22:38
mindspin	on whic OS?	22:39
mindspin	h	22:39
+perlDreamer	ubuntu	22:39
+perlDreamer	CentOS	22:39
+perlDreamer	your errors look like you're either not using the WRE environment before trying to run testEnvironment.pl	22:39
+perlDreamer	or, you have a my.cnf file in /etc/my.cnf	22:39
+perlDreamer	perhaps both	22:39
mindspin	no my.cnf	22:40
+perlDreamer	and the WRE environment?	22:40
mindspin	and I tried to start mysql abot twenty times before	22:40
mindspin	WRE does not start mysql	22:40
+perlDreamer	the WRE requires that you alter parts of your shell environment for executable and library paths	22:41
+perlDreamer	there's a script to source in /data/wre/sbin	22:41
+perlDreamer	source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh	22:42
+perlDreamer	if you do that, it will fix the paths	22:42
mindspin	I executet it	22:42
mindspin	with no effect	22:42
+perlDreamer	and it still claims that you don't have DBD::mysql installed?	22:42
mindspin	jupp	22:42
+perlDreamer	then I'm not sure what to tell you, aside from the fact that you must not have installed the WRE correctly	22:43
mindspin	the weirdest thing is the ubuntu package installation	22:44
CIA-66	wrebuild: Colin Kuskie master * re93e26f / wre/lib/WRE/WebguiDemo.pm : Don't need Moose to do this. - http://git.io/S-duBg	22:44
+perlDreamer	I've never used the ubuntu package	22:44
+perlDreamer	nor the debian	22:44
mindspin	I see the site, can turn admin on and off a.s.o. but there is no embeded editor in the article view	22:44
mindspin	and: there is no webguiroot	22:44
+perlDreamer	no webguiroot? you mean in the Apache config file?	22:45
mindspin	no there is no data folder whatever	22:45
+perlDreamer	ah, I would guess that the WebGUI defaults have been changed to meet the ubuntu file system	22:45
mindspin	no upload folder no extras, but the site is there	22:45
mindspin	I'll give webgui one last chance on a centos machine although I know no hoster here running centos	22:46
mindspin	and I would like to get off from running my own server	22:46
mindspin	Its not my job anymore	22:47
+perlDreamer	have you tried contacting one of the commercial Plain Black hosters?	22:47
+perlDreamer	er, WebGUI hosters?	22:47
mindspin	toor expensive	22:47
+perlDreamer	Plain Black, Procolix	22:47
mindspin	I#d need a germqn or european hoster	22:48
mindspin	dont want to save any data in teh US	22:48
+perlDreamer	Procolix is located in The Netherlands	22:48
+perlDreamer	with the ubuntu package installed, did you try to find where it put the extras directory, or the uploads?	22:49
+perlDreamer	via dpkg, or locate?	22:49
mindspin	I#ll gonna ask them but the reason for installation now is to check wether an actual version would fulfill the needs of my wife, whose site shall be hosted	22:49
mindspin	The directories are missing	22:49
mindspin	I cannot check it right now, because I had to restart the machine	22:50
+perlDreamer	well, if you just want to see what WebGUI looks like today, you can do that on a demo server	22:50
+perlDreamer	demo.webgui.org	22:50
+perlDreamer	that'll give you a site for 24 hours	22:50
+perlDreamer	or, you could try using the VM appliance. It will run on VirtualBox	22:51
mindspin	its not the look ;-) its webguis way of showing correct layouts and so on	22:51
+perlDreamer	not sure what you mean by that	22:51
mindspin	hehe	22:51
mindspin	my wife is very precious abot showing borders spaces etc. in the way she want it	22:52
+perlDreamer	ah, that's not really a WebGUI thing, it's a template and CSS thing	22:52
mindspin	If she designed an article with the embeded editor it must look like she wanted	22:53
mindspin	but webgui 5.8 is very weird when it comes to css	22:53
+perlDreamer	mindspin, if the editor isn't there, WebGUI isn't installed or configured correctly	22:53
+perlDreamer	oh yes, it was	22:53
+perlDreamer	you are right about that	22:53
mindspin	nope	22:53
+perlDreamer	I mean, you're right about the CSS in 5.8	22:54
mindspin	I recognized that something went wrong	22:54
mindspin	jupp	22:54
mindspin	so you understand my reasons	22:54
+perlDreamer	not completely	22:54
mindspin	I am not in teh computerbusiness anymore, I am a journalist, writing for newspapers	22:55
+perlDreamer	and your wife, this site is for her?	22:56
mindspin	I do not want to spend my time administrating computers	22:56
mindspin	yupp she does PR	22:56
mindspin	and its about her company homepage that is out of fashion	22:56
+perlDreamer	that is a big issue for a PR firm	22:56
mindspin	exactly	22:56
mindspin	so one last chance for webgui on centos. When this fails too, she should throw her money into the mouth of some stupid Wordpress/Typo3/joomla companies	22:58
+perlDreamer	mindspin, based on what you've told me, I'd go back to your ubuntu package and try to find out where they've put the extras and uploads	22:59
+perlDreamer	change the WebGUI config file	22:59
+perlDreamer	restart apache	22:59
+perlDreamer	and see if that fixed everything	22:59
mindspin	and this is sad in my eyes, because webgui is exreemly userfriendly in my eyes	22:59
+perlDreamer	either that, or try to find shared hosting in Europe	22:59
+perlDreamer	the shared hosting might be a better bet, because then you don't have to support the server	23:00
+perlDreamer	and they should handle backups, upgrades and troubleshooting	23:00
mindspin	;-)	23:00
mindspin	although this was never a problem yet	23:01
+perlDreamer	yes, but you're also still using WebGUI 5.8, with all of its security issues and bugs	23:02
+perlDreamer	I have children that are almost the age of WebGUI 5.8	23:02
mindspin	I have no problems with security, I just have to keep a look at the user sessions, because of spammers ;-)	23:09
mindspin	but it is time to switch now	23:09
eiro	perlDreamer, thanks: i've already grabbed it	23:28
eiro	now i'm trying to launch it with plackup	23:29
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+perlDreamer	eiro, you'll probably need to install a lot of perl modules	23:56
+perlDreamer	but the testEnvironment.pl script will help with that	23:56
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mducharme	mindspin I wonder if it could be a 32-bit/64-bit thing	00:49
mducharme	are you trying to install 32-bit wre on a 64-bit OS?	00:49
mducharme	mindspin the other option would just be to run the virtual appliance..	00:51
+perlDreamer	daviddelikat, in and out	00:51
+perlDreamer	between large data transfers, chess, piano practice, shopping, caring for sick kids, housecleaning and cooking	00:52
+perlDreamer	my IRC attention tends to be short	00:52
@daviddelikat	perlDreamer: I have a support quesion; can we go to skype for a minute?	01:05
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josh_	hi everyone. I have a thingy setup that has a image, When i do a sql report to pull theimage out it gives me an ID, WIthin a sql report can i pull the image path out?	01:11
+perlDreamer	josh_: no, you need to use some macros to get from the storage Id to a path	01:22
+perlDreamer	I forget which ones, so I suggest checking out the wiki or reading some source	01:22
josh_	I browse the wiki again to try and find that, thanks	01:22
josh_	So it seems ^StorageUrl() is the one, When i put it in the sql report template it just displays ^StorageUrl()	01:26
+perlDreamer	two things	01:26
+perlDreamer	1) make sure it's enabled in your WebGUI config file	01:26
+perlDreamer	2) it's actually ^StorageUrl();	01:27
+perlDreamer	don't forget the ending semi-colon	01:27
josh_	ah that was it! thanks	01:27
josh_	dang semicolon	01:27
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+perlDreamer	12 MB/sec	01:31
+perlDreamer	now that's what I call bandwidth!	01:31
josh_	i just upgraded my internet, i have a 50 mb/s down and 5 mb/s up	01:32
josh_	its great!	01:32
+perlDreamer	nice. I was working on some servers last week that are throttled to 700 Kb/sec	01:32
+perlDreamer	it was slow	01:32
josh_	I did the cord cutting so fast internet is a good thing	01:33
josh_	now if hard drive prices would drop it would be even better	01:33
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josh_	i had a 16TB nas storage in newegg but hard drive prices shot up	01:33
josh_	went from 6 hard drives at like 850 to 2500 bucks	01:34
josh_	wait 18TB haha. 3tb drives x 6	01:34
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eiro	perlDreamer, sure. i'll try later	02:32
eiro	(i finally gave up to prepare my fosdem talk)	02:32
eiro	fosdem is at the end of the week. anyone here attending ?	02:33
* eiro go to bed		02:34
+perlDreamer	eiro, would love to attend, but it's on the wrong continent	02:41
+perlDreamer	relatively speaking	02:43
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eiro	arg ... no french translation of webgui ?	08:09
eiro	it seems translation exists: https://github.com/haarg/webgui-translations/tree/master/French	08:44
eiro	but not in the debian package	08:44
haarg	eiro, that translation is probably way out of date	08:44
haarg	it's an old proof of concept git conversion. i don't know the current state of things.	08:45
haarg	it was taken from the translation server http://i18n.webgui.org/	08:45
haarg	which i also don't know the state of	08:46
eiro	i can help then	08:48
eiro	is there a "translator guide" somewhere ?	08:51
haarg	i honestly don't know	08:52
haarg	perlDreamer would be the one to ask about how that stuff is organized these days	08:52
haarg	he's on pacific time	08:52
eiro	maybe i should join any contributor list	08:53
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eiro	the link to the mailing list here: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/getting-started-in-the-webgui-community points to a web forum	11:14
eiro	http://www.webgui.org/webgui/dev/discuss	11:14
eiro	is there a ml/web gateway ?	11:15
eiro	(it would be awesome)	11:15
eiro	(i just hate web forums)	11:15
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doc_gt7	Hello everyone. Has anyone used macroRunner.pl lately? When I run it with: "perl macroRunner.pl --help" it returns "Base class package "Config::JSON" is empty." I figured it should at least display help :)	19:13
@scrottie	speaking on behalf of everyone, no, We have not used it recently.	19:32
doc_gt7	I guess it is broken :) Is there an easier way to test macros when developing them other than: "Make changes, reload apache, reload page? Just checking...	19:39
@scrottie	if the utility is busted, please open a ticket, and then we won't forget to look into the matter.	19:44
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haarg	macroRunner.pl isn't in core afaik	20:01
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@scrottie	doc_gt7: file a bug with it's author, through whichever channel he/she offers.	20:06
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+perlDreamer	eiro, the translation server is up and running, and the interface is pretty easy	23:53
+perlDreamer	I'd be happy to walk you through it if you have questions	23:53
+perlDreamer	doc_gt7, the best way to test macros....	23:53
+perlDreamer	is to write tests!	23:53
+perlDreamer	see /data/WebGUI/t/Macro/*.t	23:53
+perlDreamer	lots and lots of examples in there	23:53
+perlDreamer	no need to reload/restart apache to do it either	23:53
* perlDreamer has to run away and be parental for a bit		23:53
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eiro	hello	00:30
eiro	perlDreamer, thanks for letting me know but ... where is this server	00:30
eiro	?	00:30
+perlDreamer	i18n.webgui.org	00:31
eiro	ok	00:31
+perlDreamer	the French translation is 35% complete	00:31
eiro	you too have kids ? i have 2 on my own :)	00:31
+perlDreamer	I do, I have two	00:31
+perlDreamer	once the translation goes over 95%, we'll include it in the core	00:31
+perlDreamer	and hopefully the packagers will follow quickly	00:32
eiro	perlDreamer, ok ... and how to test it ?	00:32
+perlDreamer	test?	00:32
+perlDreamer	you mean, how do you download and install a language pack?	00:32
eiro	see the translation working	00:32
+perlDreamer	Each language has a Download button next to it	00:32
eiro	i try to setup the site of my association with webgui	00:33
eiro	s/association/non profit organization/	00:33
eiro	i18n.webgui.org will work with what version ?	00:34
eiro	(i fell back to 7.8 because it's well packaged)	00:34
+perlDreamer	currently, it should be tracking 7.10	00:34
+perlDreamer	we don't have language pack snapshots of earlier versions	00:35
+perlDreamer	This wiki page may be of some use for translating: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/translating-webgui	00:35
eiro	damn ... debian is outdated ... what a surprise :)	00:35
+perlDreamer	Biologists have a word that describes organisms that don't change over time	00:35
+perlDreamer	It's called "dead"	00:35
eiro	haha :)	00:36
eiro	what distro are you using ?	00:36
eiro	ok, i co webgui-7.10 from the git repo and fix the debian config file	00:38
eiro	ok... i go to bed and will report progress tomorrow evening	00:47
eiro	good (whatever matches your time zone)	00:48
+perlDreamer	I'm using Ubuntu, but I use a source install instead of the package.	01:01
+perlDreamer	I'm in UTC-7	01:01
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