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SDuensin	Morning.	15:46
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carogray	quick help? what is template syntax for <tmp_if....	17:40
carogray	for if someone is logged in - not admin on, but logged in, cannot find it quickly	17:41
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@khenn	morning!	18:07
+perlDreamer	hey khenn!	18:07
@khenn	I'm sad I had to miss rizen's dancer talk last month	18:08
@khenn	I'm telecommute 2 days a week now so I will hopefully make it this month for WG8!!	18:08
+perlDreamer	WebGUI 8 is going to be released this month.	18:08
@khenn	yeah?	18:09
@khenn	that's awesome	18:09
+perlDreamer	Since it's too early for preaction to be awake, I feel free to spread unsubstantiated rumors about 8	18:09
@khenn	heh	18:10
+perlDreamer	although, given the huge progress he's been making recently, that's probably not too far from the truth	18:13
CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r944c760 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Make makeUrlCompliant as deprecated, and updated POD and subroutines accordingly. - http://bit.ly/ijdec3	18:21
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* scrottie0 parsed "miss rizen's dancer talk" as "Ms. Rizen's Dancer talk"		18:52
@khenn	heh	18:53
SDuensin	Bring on 8!	19:00
ckotil	sweet	19:08
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carogray	trying again - could I use <tmpl_if GroupViewId....Syntax> <tmp_if> for some groups if logged in to see some content - it's a specific link hard-coded into a manual (non-dynamic) navigation.	21:22
carogray	I am just not sure how this works -	21:22
scrottie0	yo might want the GroupText macro	21:23
scrottie0	you	21:23
scrottie0	that wouldn't be doing tmpl_if, sadly. there is something of a disconnect there.	21:24
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scrottie0	which template are you editing? which asset is it a template for?	21:26
scrottie0	what are you actually testing... whether they're allowed to view the content?	21:29
+perlDreamer	ya, GroupText macro is the way to do that, although sometimes in can give you fits with quotes and such	21:33
+perlDreamer	yet another thing we could do better with Template::Toolkit	21:33
@preaction	is there anything TT can't do better?	21:34
carogray	so...	21:43
carogray	I thought I could do it with Template Toolkit, but it is the template for the home page and a default page ie. the page layout template	21:44
carogray	I just want to throw something in there quickly	21:44
carogray	If I do Template Tookit I have to redo the whole template x 2	21:44
carogray	I am having problems remembering how to spell my name right now, afraid I will pull the whole site down if I try to change these templates to TT	21:45
+perlDreamer	carogray, then use the GroupText macro	21:46
+perlDreamer	be sure to escape double quotes and commas in the HTML that you want to show	21:46
+perlDreamer	because they can cause macro parsing errors	21:46
carogray	can you spell it out for me? this is the bit I want only visible for members of 3 groups, board, staff, board and staff, or perhaps the group board, or the group staff, because if you are a member of either you are a member of board and staff - bit I want viewable only by these groups:	21:49
carogray	<li class="off"><a href="^/;home/laccm-intranet" class="navLink">LACCM Intranet</a></li>	21:49
+perlDreamer	well, to use the macro well, you'll need to set up 1 Group that holds all the groups that should see the link	21:51
+perlDreamer	then you do	21:51
+perlDreamer	^GroupText(GroupName,<li class="off"><a href="^/;home/laccm-intranet" class="navLink">LACCM Intranet</a></li>);	21:52
+perlDreamer	I think that will do it	21:52
+perlDreamer	or, you may need to escape all those double quotes in there	21:53
+perlDreamer	^GroupText(GroupName,<li class=\"off\"><a href=\"^/;home/laccm-intranet\" class=\"navLink\">LACCM Intranet</a></li>);	21:53
carogray	perfect!	22:01
carogray	thanks so much!	22:01
+perlDreamer	you're welcome carogray	22:01
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carogray	perldreamer: perfect! It worked perfectly, quickly, easily and painlessly! You are my hero - once again! Thank you so much!	23:24
CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6153477 / (24 files in 18 dirs): Add new MapPoint code for geolocation, Thingy searching and indexing and a macro for rendering thing data outside of the Thingy. - http://bit.ly/jUcXDN	23:51
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* perlDreamer goes to pickup kids from school		00:00
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+perlDreamer	KlausH!	00:41
KlausH	hi. will we have a WUC this year?	00:42
+perlDreamer	I haven't heard any plans for a WUC this year, so I suspect not	00:42
KlausH	no Webgui 8, no WUC :-(	00:42
+perlDreamer	no WebGUI 8 yet	00:43
+perlDreamer	but coming soon	00:43
+perlDreamer	preaction has been committing tons of code, and it's will be released before Perl 6	00:43
+perlDreamer	before Christmas	00:43
+perlDreamer	before the world ends in 2012, for sure	00:43
KlausH	great!	00:43
KlausH	will help a lot for endig the world.	00:44
scrottie0	https://gist.github.com/952439 ...	00:44
+perlDreamer	no clue, scrottie0, I haven't run any wg8 code since November/December-ish	00:45
scrottie0	hrm, diagnostic output made a lot more sense before I pasted it.	00:45
+perlDreamer	you sure you're not having local problems again?	00:45
scrottie0	of course not. in fact, that's the first thing I suspect.	00:45
@preaction	did the test case run WebGUI::Test->waitForAllForks?	00:46
scrottie0	if this were 7, I'd assume all tests were passing for everyone else but here I don't know what the status is supposed to be.	00:46
scrottie0	that's how I stumbled into this.	00:46
scrottie0	it waits forever there.	00:46
@preaction	hmm...	00:46
scrottie0	that's when it actually creates an entry in the table.	00:46
@preaction	i'd say that my waitForAllForks code is bad then	00:46
scrottie0	I'll continue chasing this, I just wanted to alert people what I was doing.	00:46
scrottie0	nope. looking at the database, there's an unfinished one in there. sometimes.	00:47
@preaction	or worse, the fork code is bad. but i'd check my wait first	00:47
scrottie0	non-deterministic.	00:47
@preaction	hm...	00:47
@preaction	is there a child process even?	00:47
scrottie0	sometimes.	00:47
@preaction	and when that child process is there, the db entry is too?	00:47
scrottie0	yup.	00:47
+perlDreamer	fork code seems to work in 7	00:48
@preaction	it shouldn't be doing anything that intense. is it running or blocked on something?	00:48
scrottie0	"$self->sendRequestToMaster($request) or $self->forkAndExec($request);"... if there's no $pipe open to a master process because WebGUI::Fork->init was never called as happens in tests, that's when these trouble seem to happen.	00:48
scrottie0	if init is called, forkAndExec() never runs as a backup and sendRequestToMaster works reliably.	00:49
+perlDreamer	KlausH, did my response to the makeUrlCompliant bug make sense?	00:49
scrottie0	dunno. still tracing that bit.	00:49
@preaction	hm... on my laptop no master process does warn, but still works correctly. maybe that's not true of all systems	00:51
scrottie0	oh yeah. that's what I wanted to say... I'm thinking of getting rid of WebGUI::Test->waitForAllForks in favor of addToCleanup / cleanupGuard logic.	00:52
scrottie0	but I'm not sure how many tests wind up creating forks. that could be unmanagable.	00:52
scrottie0	or maybe I'll just make it a test failure if waitForAllForks don't finish in a certain amount of time.	00:53
@preaction	waitForAllForks turns async into sync, that was why i wrote it, but if you have a better idea it's welcome	00:54
scrottie0	this is all yak shaving... all I want to do is fix something else that really gave me grief before but I want to make sure I'm not breaking things in process.	00:55
scrottie0	nasty, naughty, evil Zoot...	00:56
+perlDreamer	scrottie0: I don't think hardly any tests accidently make forks, since you have to call *InFork directly	00:57
+perlDreamer	plus, you could always change it and run it and see what goes into an infinite loop	00:58
* scrottie0 nods		00:58
CIA-16	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r6e12a8f / lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : simple cleanup logic for WebGUI::Fork; mark the fork "completed" even though it may not be just so that the next test that wants to do waitForAllForks doesn't get hung up on our fork - http://bit.ly/kf7ozZ	01:01
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+perlDreamer	scrottie0, that was fast! How long did it take your box to run the whole test suite?	01:02
scrottie0	I can't finish the test suite. have I mentioned? I did take some effort to test that, thought, but I'm still glad for any feedback.	01:03
scrottie0	I can always count on sarcasm after each commit.	01:03
scrottie0	I agree though. the test suite needs a test suite.	01:04
scrottie0	I haven't commit changes for other tests to use that and I won't unless I can do a clean run through the test suite.	01:04
@preaction	that's what was happening?	01:05
scrottie0	huh?	01:05
@preaction	the previous wait waited but the fork didn't mark itself as completed?	01:05
scrottie0	don't know. still trying to sort this out. don't know if it's left over or where execution gets hung up.	01:07
scrottie0	just wanted to feel people out on it so I better knew which directions could I reasonably take this.	01:07
scrottie0	aha. the forked process biffs it. I'm not sure closing STDERR is the way to fly in this case...	01:09
scrottie0	we're still using test plans in WebGUI 8? bah.	01:20
scrottie0	what's this? these source code files contain ASCII? lame.	01:21
CIA-16	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * ree212a1 / (lib/WebGUI/Test.pm t/AssetHelper/Copy.t):	01:27
CIA-16	webgui: WebGUI::Test::waitForAllForks optionally taking a number of seconds to wait;	01:27
CIA-16	webgui: t/AssetHelper/Copy.t using this as one of its tests; this creates a test failure out of a test suite deadlock for me - http://bit.ly/lMHCXI	01:27
scrottie0	okay, I lied, slightly, but test suites themselves occupy a strange place. sorry perlDreamer. if my changes to the tests have introduced test failures for you and the failure is in the test suite, not the app itself, please feel free to back them out and I'll sort it out later.	01:29
scrottie0	I'm going to afk here for a while.	01:29
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CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * red4ab25 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Set the correct version of the Google geocoder module. - http://bit.ly/mqhBSH	02:16
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CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r88c9fa8 / lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_Thingy.pm : Remove the fields variable from the template variable help for Asset_Thing, viewThingData. - http://bit.ly/mwhANl	06:07
CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r62f1f98 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.15 release. - http://bit.ly/lsDiD8	06:09
+perlDreamer	29 minutes, that has to be some kind of world record	06:29
CIA-16	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re0491ac / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.16 development. - http://bit.ly/iYOvYy	06:29
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scrottie0	https://gist.github.com/952884 ... in Admin.t, in this one test, I was having multiple problems... the API dies if asset isn't passed in to the call to WebGUI::AssetHelper::Cut->new	09:14
scrottie0	and the test was failing when the forkId didn't match between the two calls to WebGUI::Fork. this should differ.	09:14
scrottie0	I'd like to fix stuff like this but I want to get a more clear idea of the state of the test suite for other people. was the Admin.t www_processAssetHelper test failing for anyone else? or die-ing even...?	09:15
scrottie0	are there failing tests and die-ing tests in general in the WG8 suite...?	09:16
scrottie0	if one earlier test dies, it cleans up the test config file, and then the WebGUI::Fork process dies trying to open the config file and never cleans itself up, and then the test suite hangs later... and this test should be die-ing for multiple reasons... it seems odd that no one else is running into this same race condition.	09:19
scrottie0	(hangs forever waiting for the imploded WebGUI::Fork to finish, that is)	09:20
@preaction	there are some failing tests yes, EMSSubmission.t comes to mind	09:20
scrottie0	okay. just want to make sure that I'm barking up trees that actually exist.	09:20
@preaction	i have been working on the frontend, so it's possible i've screwed up some tests	09:21
scrottie0	or possibily exist.	09:21
scrottie0	re: WebGUI::AssetHelper::Cut->new requiring an asset => $assetOb parameter in disagreement with the test, was this meant to change? can I update the test? or was that change unintentional?	09:22
@preaction	that was meant to change	09:22
* scrottie0 nods		09:22
scrottie0	excellent. thank you.	09:23
@preaction	the old API was to pass the asset into process(), but that had some problems	09:23
CIA-16	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r5b5a7e9 / t/Admin.t :	09:28
CIA-16	webgui: "the old API was to pass the asset into process(), but that had some problems" according to preaction, re: WebGUI::AssetHelper::Cut->new now requiring an asset parameter.	09:28
CIA-16	webgui: fixes www_processAssetHelper test; several others in there still fail for me. this fix fixes a WebGUI::Fork leak. I'm sure there are more. - http://bit.ly/mqylbw	09:28
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scrottie0	frodwith, how would you feel about something else being done with forked process stderr than having it directed to /dev/null? and any suggestions what? minimally, I'm imagining catching the eval in daemonize and calling log warn with the details.	22:14
@pbcj	lol	22:15
@pbcj	I was just typing "quiet in here today"	22:15
scrottie0	can't just say "it's quiet in here". you have to find something to make noise about.	22:15
@frodwith	could tie stderr with Tie::Log4perl	22:15
@frodwith	or equivalent	22:15
scrottie0	forked code is still run in the WebGUI style with the WebGUI API, so it seems like continuing to do the same thing with errors makes the most sense to me. in fact, it furthers the illusion.	22:16
scrottie0	er, hmm, strike that last remark. that's just confused/confusing.	22:17
@frodwith	capturing it instead of sending it to the bitbucket is a good idea though.	22:17
scrottie0	I could do that, but I feel like a run-time error should be caught at the top level and logged as an error or warning, if nothing else.	22:17
@frodwith	Stuff that happens off in forked land can be kind of evil to debug.	22:17
scrottie0	yeah, I just discovered that the other day.	22:18
@frodwith	Doesn't it trap dies already, and stuff them into the fork's error field in the db?	22:18
scrottie0	forks were being created then soon vanishing without updating the database and the test suite was hanging waiting for them. process gone. no clue why.	22:18
scrottie0	hmmm.	22:19
@frodwith	mostly what's evil about fork debugging is debugging Fork itself, not the client code it's running. Or so I thought.	22:19
scrottie0	I think that's part of the problem... most of the tests fail over to the forkAndExec method	22:19
scrottie0	but nope, looks like init() doesn't either	22:20
scrottie0	daemonize just falls from the eval { } to POSIX::_exit(0)	22:20
@frodwith	Well, it'd be nice if it did.	22:20
* scrottie0 nods		22:20
scrottie0	shall I commit something? or would you like to see what I'm doing first?	22:20
scrottie0	I'm looking at the WG8 copy here. it might be out of date too.	22:21
@frodwith	I trust you, but I'll look at it if it makes you feel better :)	22:21
scrottie0	cool =)	22:21
scrottie0	runRequest sets error. ah. forkAndExec calls runCmd which calls runRequest. init also calls those. aha. okay, it looks like what was happening was, in runRequest, the WebGUI::Session->open() was what was failing (test makes a temp config file and it's possible for it to vanish before the CPU context changes and the Fork initializes, ugh)	22:26
scrottie0	and that's before the eval { } in there that sets error. so I think I'll just make that eval { } enclose a bit more stuff.	22:27
scrottie0	should fix it.	22:27
scrottie0	duh, no. if we can't open the session, we can't log stuff or access the database.	22:46
@frodwith	this is all starting to sound familiar	23:00
@frodwith	maybe leave it the way it is, except add a comment that says "I know, I know, but we can't log the error if the session isn't open yet."	23:01
scrottie0	yeah. leaving it for now.	23:14
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1962317 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Dashboard.pm : fix Dashboard edit form - http://bit.ly/lTtHat	01:12
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r74b8e36 / lib/WebGUI/Command/test_content.pm : add all the other assets - http://bit.ly/mdwNbT	01:12
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r40805ce / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : log the error when we have one, don't just return it - http://bit.ly/lx9J0P	01:12
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7389128 / (lib/WebGUI/Image.pm lib/WebGUI/Image/Graph.pm):	01:13
CIA-70	webgui: must have a width/height in order to set width/height	01:13
CIA-70	webgui: Failing to give a proper width/height will cause ImageMagick to die	01:13
CIA-70	webgui: with an assertion error - http://bit.ly/lLqZyT	01:13
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rd6ad085 / t/Admin.t : cope with extra fields returned and fix apparent errors in the t/Admin.t tests to make them pass - http://bit.ly/mHpdKY	01:16
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r3e59d0f / (t/AssetHelper/ChangeUrl.t t/AssetHelper/ExportHtml.t): no zombie forks a test criteria - http://bit.ly/mIch3j	01:16
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rc8f2810 / t/AssetHelper/Duplicate.t : no zombie forks as a test criteria - http://bit.ly/klNFtq	01:16
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r57e0fe8 / t/Fork.t : no zombie forks as a test criteria - http://bit.ly/m9VNPF	01:17
scrottie0	grep -e 'not ok' prove2.log \| grep -v 'TODO' \| wc -l # 56	01:19
scrottie0	fwiw.	01:19
@preaction	yeah, i'm gonna fix all the tests i've broke	01:19
@preaction	before i move on to my next task	01:20
scrottie0	oh, okay. then I don't have to.	01:20
scrottie0	I'll just... um... do something else.	01:21
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rdaaf45b / (5 files): remove accordion JS (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/iB7nNM	01:48
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SDuensin	Mourning.	17:05
+BartJol	ah, Scott is in a joyous mood again I see	17:07
SDuensin	I'm in my fuzzy cube in an office that makes Dilbert look like he has the best job in the world.	17:09
+BartJol	whoa, is there a comic about you?	17:09
SDuensin	They tried, but too many readers committed suicide after reading it.	17:09
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+BartJol	perlDreamer: pbcj I reanabled your accounts	18:21
+BartJol	re-enabled	18:21
@pbcj	excellent	18:21
+perlDreamer	thanks, sir!	18:21
+perlDreamer	we were afraid that it was a prelude to the Dutch declaring war	18:21
+perlDreamer	first they cut-off your accounts	18:21
+perlDreamer	then they expel the diplomats	18:21
+perlDreamer	then they come and drink all your bier	18:22
+perlDreamer	after that, it gets nasty	18:22
@pbcj	first you get the money...	18:22
+BartJol	we tried that with the beer	18:22
+BartJol	our invasion wasn't big enough	18:22
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+perlDreamer	hm, do you think he went to get reinforcements?	18:33
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@preaction	what is the difference between AdminToggle and EditableToggle?	20:47
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mducharme-laptop	afternoon	20:53
mducharme-laptop	I'm getting an error upgrading one site from 7.9.14 to 7.9.15	20:54
mducharme-laptop	other sites upgrade properly	20:54
mducharme-laptop	http://pastebin.com/jbU4ipTE	20:55
@preaction	that isn't an error, it's a warning. is there any problem the site is having?	20:55
mducharme-laptop	I don't know, when I saw that I got scared and reverted back	20:56
mducharme-laptop	if you think it's probably safe to ignore I will reupgrade and check	20:58
mducharme-laptop	I wish there was an easier way of knowing what perl modules I have to install than going through the gotchas file with a fine tooth comb	21:02
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r311db7b / (2 files in 2 dirs): remove the old asset manager from the config file (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/lQ49er	21:02
SDuensin	Why not run test-environment?	21:02
@preaction	sbin/testEnvironment.pl	21:02
SDuensin	Yea. Taht one.	21:02
mducharme-laptop	right but then I can't use webguiupdate.pl, I have to like manually upload the new testEnvironment.pl to the server and run that first	21:03
@preaction	scrottie0: a metric fuckton of tests just got fixed, i'm going over the www::mechanize ones now	21:03
mducharme-laptop	do I not?	21:04
@preaction	all webguiupdate.pl does is 1) download webgui 2) run /data/WebGUI/sbin/upgrade.pl	21:04
mducharme-laptop	I know	21:04
mducharme-laptop	which totally messes everything up if you haven't installed the perl modules first	21:05
mducharme-laptop	I find that very bizarre	21:05
@preaction	i say that because it's very simple, something you could do yourself with wget	21:06
mducharme-laptop	why does webguiupdate.pl not download webgui, then run testEnvironment, then run uprade.pl	21:06
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2b42142 / t/Asset/AssetClipboard.t : went overboard on deleting from this test - http://bit.ly/lUo6bB	21:06
mducharme-laptop	er upgrade	21:06
@preaction	i'm fairly certain the next WRE will not have a webguiupdate.pl	21:06
@preaction	and the current WRE doesn't do testEnvironment because nobody's added that	21:07
SDuensin	Yea. Nuke it instead of making it work. :-P	21:07
@preaction	no, much of the WRE's functionality is going into WebGUI itself	21:07
scrottie0	preaction, thanks for that. I hope it didn't sound like I was on your case over failing tests. I'm glad to have a little spare time here and do whatever with it.	21:07
@preaction	scrottie0: no, you reminded me of something i was all ready to completely neglect	21:08
@preaction	SO THANKS A LOT	21:08
scrottie0	YOU'RE WELCOME	21:08
mducharme-laptop	well I got 64-bit wre running on opensuse without much problem	21:09
@preaction	that's fairly surprising really :p	21:09
scrottie0	actually, I was perfectly happy with the test suite just running till the end, failing some tests. that would let me see if I were breaking more tests.	21:09
@preaction	eh, i made some major changes and need to take the time to make the tests match those changes.	21:10
mducharme-laptop	ok it looks like everything is fine	21:26
mducharme-laptop	I guess I can ignore those messages then	21:26
mducharme-laptop	this is strange	21:27
mducharme-laptop	under "Statistics" how many active sessions should there be?	21:27
mducharme-laptop	for a small site	21:27
mducharme-laptop	this says 138310	21:27
@preaction	do your sessions expire?	21:28
mducharme-laptop	to me that seems like an unusually high number of sessions	21:28
mducharme-laptop	hmm?	21:28
@preaction	is spectre running?	21:28
@preaction	did you set your sessions so that they never expire? it's in settings	21:28
scrottie0	kompare has one example in its DESCRIPTION: cvs diff \| kompare -o -	21:28
mducharme-laptop	preaction - session timeout is set to one hour	21:30
mducharme-laptop	and yes spectre is running	21:30
@preaction	then maybe the workflow activity that cleans up expired sessions isn't running right	21:31
@preaction	or at all	21:31
mducharme-laptop	this is a newly setup server, I moved the site over from an old server	21:32
mducharme-laptop	I had an older 64-bit server running the 32-bit wre, and I ran into issues compiling a perl module because of the difference, so I built my own WRE on a new 64-bit server and moved the old sites over	21:33
@preaction	then maybe that old server was affected by the problem, i know the delete expired sessions workflow used to not complete if you had too many sessions. that bug was fixed	21:33
mducharme-laptop	oh ok	21:34
mducharme-laptop	it could be	21:34
mducharme-laptop	we upgraded from like 7.8.15 or something	21:34
@preaction	anyone want to take a guess at how WebGUI will handle two test runs at the same time?	21:43
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * recbaca5 / (2 files): formbuilder templatevar prefix must contain the underscore now - http://bit.ly/iGydNv	21:49
@preaction	fairly well, as it turns out	21:52
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4a8b4c6 / t/Asset/Asset.t : class is now className for www_add - http://bit.ly/iGnd9S	21:53
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rcdcbf53 / t/Asset/Asset.t :	21:53
CIA-70	webgui: getToolbarState and toggleToolbar no longer exist	21:53
CIA-70	webgui: The toolbar can be put in any page, and the toggle is now simply	21:53
CIA-70	webgui: if you are in the Turn Admin On group - http://bit.ly/mpx2Bb	21:53
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0c23ba8 / t/Asset/AssetClipboard.t : perhaps a good plan is in order... - http://bit.ly/kRxJDK	21:59
scrottie0	I'm getting a lot of "ERROR: Unable to run handler on WebGUI::Content::AssetManager: Could not load WebGUI::Content::AssetManager beca	22:04
scrottie0	use Can't locate WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm in @INC"	22:04
@preaction	yeah, you need to wgd reset -d --config	22:04
scrottie0	oh.	22:04
@preaction	i just added the upgrade that will remove the assetmanager content handler	22:04
scrottie0	ahh. right.	22:04
scrottie0	kompare chokes on git's diff output, diff'ing vs /dev/null in particular for new files. do KDE developers really use cvs? that's kind of amazing.	22:06
scrottie0	bah.	22:06
scrottie0	need fewer fonts. random programs I fire up magically support ttf and then decide that 'crackaddict' is a good font to show code diffs in.	22:08
scrottie0	hmm, maybe they're right.	22:08
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mducharme-laptop	hrm	22:40
mducharme-laptop	another question....	22:40
mducharme-laptop	I had seen in a screenshot before the thingy allowed some sort of "LDAP Connection" field type	22:40
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mducharme-laptop	that field type doesn't appear to be in the latest stable release	22:40
@preaction	ldap connection fields probably won't work in the thingy	22:44
mducharme-laptop	dammit	23:19
mducharme-laptop	I want some easy way of having a company directory	23:20
mducharme-laptop	without having to reinvent the wheel	23:20
mducharme-laptop	we used to use novell's eGuide for that but they discontinued that	23:21
scrottie0	funny how software that people hate never gets discontinued.	23:25
mducharme-laptop	well it's just annoying that when we already have all the staff names, titles, addresses and phone numbers in LDAP we can't just use that	23:29
mducharme-laptop	instead we have paper phone lists typed up in word	23:29
mducharme-laptop	and other manually entered things	23:29
@preaction	and with that commit, the EMSSubmissionForm fixed, I take lunch!	23:33
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb0da37e / (8 files in 4 dirs): fix EMSSubmissionForm and all its tests - http://bit.ly/kB6WFC	23:34
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scrottie0		04:05
scrottie0	who	04:05
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scrottie0	error handling has changed a lot.	05:28
scrottie0	that's making things interesting here.	05:28
scrottie0	canShowDebug and related things are gone.	05:29
scrottie0	oh heck yeah. heck heck yeah.	05:47
scrottie0	I need to devise a test to prove that I haven't broken streaming here.	05:48
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scrottie0	unrelatedly, I wonder if I should be shot dead if I commit code that read, in part, $Log::Log4perl::Logger::APPENDER_BY_NAME{mainlog}->{appender}->{fh}->print(...)	06:17
scrottie0	and damn hell Log4Perl's internals are disguesting.	06:18
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elnino	hi....can anyone at webgui tell me what you have set for group_concat_max_len on your hosting servers, or maybe tell me who to ask?	08:38
elnino	it seems i'm hitting a limit somewhere.	08:38
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elnino	good morning! Can anyone at webgui tell me what you have set for group_concat_max_len on your hosting servers, or maybe tell me who to ask? I'm hitting a limit somewhere.	16:37
+BartJol	eeeh, where is that setting?	16:38
elnino	my.cnf somewhere apparently.	16:38
+BartJol	ah	16:38
+BartJol	off course	16:39
+BartJol	well, ik appears that is not defaullt set in the wre my.cnf	16:40
+BartJol	s/ik/it/	16:40
elnino	hmm.	16:40
elnino	apparently the defaul tis supposed to be 1024.. I'm assuming that's characters....	16:41
+BartJol	or bits...	16:41
elnino	do you see if max_allowed_packet is set anywhere on webgui's hosting servers?	16:41
+BartJol	max_allowed_packet=16M	16:42
elnino	that allso affects group_concat_max_len	16:42
elnino	16M is big enough. =)	16:42
+BartJol	I believe 16M is default	16:42
elnino	well I don't know what do do now.. It's definately my mysql. I'm hitting a limit at about 400 characters. I'm building a hyperlink using concat_group. and it worked fine. untill I started adding a "onclick" property to the a tag.	16:46
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elnino	its the most gnarly mysql statement I've ever written.	16:47
SDuensin	Morning.	16:47
elnino	BartJol - you're looking at the webgui's hosting servers? or just webgui code?	16:48
+BartJol	1 of our servers that runs WebGUI	16:48
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elnino	do yo know who I'd ask about plainblacks' servers?	16:49
+BartJol	everyone with a star before there name, except bop-bop I suppose	16:49
+BartJol	maybe perldreamer	16:50
elnino	preaction is sleeping without a star...	16:50
+BartJol	ah, he should know too	16:51
elnino	sorry to ping you all, preation, frodwith, khenn, scrottie, but do any of you know what the setting of group_concat_max_len or max_allowed_packet is set to on your hosting servers? or who should i ask?	16:52
@frodwith	preaction is probably the one to ask, but he's probably asleep.	16:53
elnino	thank you.	17:04
+BartJol	they don't allow dutch people on their servers	17:09
elnino	lol - thanks for your help BartJol	17:10
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+BartJol	mmmm, strange i18n	17:41
+BartJol	"You really don't need to know more than that."	17:41
+BartJol	in Asset_Dashboard.isInitialized	17:42
+BartJol	it makes me only curious	17:42
@scrottie	people who ask too many questions about WebGUI are never heard from again.	17:46
+BartJol	they are sucked into the plain black hole?	17:46
@scrottie	exactly. where CPU load is so high that time stands still and no processes make it out of the vent horizon.	17:48
@scrottie	event	17:48
+BartJol	and committing more translations	17:49
+BartJol	99.8%	17:49
@scrottie	is there a policy on monkey patches, glob wraps, and other dubious incantantions?	17:58
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* scrottie waves to perlDreamer		17:59
+perlDreamer	yo dude!	17:59
@scrottie	yoo.	17:59
@scrottie	I want to add Devel::StackTrace::WithLexicals to testEnvironment for WG8. comments on that? myself, I'd prefer if testEnvironment.pl did a "try to install it but if that fails, don't worry about it" thing for optional modules.	18:04
@scrottie	or maybe it does and I'm reading this wrong.	18:04
+BartJol	dutch translation is complete once again	18:09
@scrottie	BartJol++	18:09
+BartJol	that was a while ago	18:09
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+perlDreamer	sorry BartJol, that shouldn't have taken as long as it did	18:21
@scrottie	why is it that when I right click the edit tab, I don't get a menu?	18:24
@scrottie	going to be very annoyed if I can't right click and open edit links in new tabs in the WG8 admin	18:24
@scrottie	JS is great but unobtrusive JS is da domb	18:25
@scrottie	bomb	18:25
@scrottie	da DOM?	18:25
@preaction	that doesn't quite work yet, actually	18:27
@preaction	it's supposed to, but doesn't	18:27
@scrottie	ah, okay. I forgive then. an IOU is fine.	18:27
@preaction	a bunch of the menus don't work yet, only the one in the admin bar and the ones in the page icons	18:28
@preaction	not the ones on the Tree view yet	18:28
* scrottie nods		18:28
@scrottie	should make Mckenzie do new templates for the edit view.	18:28
@preaction	wait, you mean right-click on the edit page?	18:28
@scrottie	right click on the grey Edit icon	18:28
@scrottie	that goes eg above chunks of content in a page layout after you turn admin on.	18:29
@preaction	oh monkey. that's a button now, you'll have to alt-click	18:29
@preaction	i could certainly change it away from a button into a button-looking link that could then allow right-click "Open In New Tab"	18:29
@scrottie	I for one would be very glad for that but I don't know where it fits in the grand scheme of things	18:30
@preaction	6 of one, half-dozen of the other. as long as it looks the same, which shouldn't be difficult to do	18:30
@scrottie	I can see about doing that too if you're already doing something.	18:31
@scrottie	with more than a couple of people, deciding becomes more of a hurdle than doing.	18:31
@preaction	sure, go ahead	18:31
@scrottie	w00t.	18:31
@preaction	though, you should be able to right-click on the Edit menu option maybe?	18:32
@preaction	which reminds me those need to be ordered somehow. i don't think that order is predictable yet	18:32
@scrottie	yeah, looks so.	18:33
@scrottie	re: right click edit in the drop down	18:33
@preaction	but still, making the button into a link would make things easier	18:33
@scrottie	er, no... links to the same url with '#' after it	18:34
@scrottie	re: the drop down	18:34
@preaction	weird	18:34
@preaction	oh, right, onclick handler	18:34
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@scrottie	only asking because I'm trying to test my own stuff here, not nagging about undone stuff... but what's the status of the progress bar? 'copy branch' gives me a dialogue box with a stringified hash refence in it. edit branch on /root/import seems to give a progress bar but it goes too quick for me to accept that it actuallyed copied root/import to the clipboard.	18:53
@scrottie	not the old progress bar, mind you, but dhtmly one in a small grey rectangle in middle of the screen.	18:54
@preaction	there are some bugs in my handling of the fork progresstree	18:59
* scrottie nods		18:59
@preaction	not sure what the hashref is doing during the copybranch though	18:59
@scrottie	cool.	18:59
@preaction	the Tree view ones work, i think i screwed them up for the normal helpers during that though	19:00
@scrottie	fwiw, every copy in the tree view copies 0 / 1 in the progress bar.	19:04
@preaction	yeah, i think i'm using the wrong var for the "total number of things to copy"	19:06
@preaction	but right now i'd really like to know how passing userId=3 into a form turns into userId=5 when it's submitted...	19:06
@scrottie	sounds like a job for tie + Carp::cluck.	19:07
@preaction	but it's only when WebGUI::Form::Control gets hold of it... the plack request has the correct data and returns the correct data when asked...	19:11
@preaction	and that would be because the name is wrong and it's returning the list of params which is then stringified into the number of params, 5	19:12
@preaction	perl -d saves the day again	19:12
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elnino	hi everyone! I'm back!	20:07
@scrottie	hi elnino!	20:07
@scrottie	elnino, character encoding interacts badly with field size limits.	20:08
elnino	character encoding?	20:08
@scrottie	yeah. mysql likes to store things as utf-8.	20:09
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@scrottie	but it doesn't compute the actual size of the thing in utf-8, it just goes worse-case and assumes three bytes per character. I think.	20:09
@scrottie	create your table with charset=ascii.	20:09
elnino	right. I don't think my question had anythign to do with encoding.. I was just wondering what the limit was for group_concat	20:09
elnino	my query is performing a query on a table created by webgui - via thingy.	20:09
@scrottie	ah.	20:10
@scrottie	I was going to say next that I had no idea if I was reading you correctly.	20:10
elnino	oh..	20:10
@scrottie	or if that's what the problem is. just sounded like something.	20:10
elnino	I created a thingy, and have got a nifty query going on it. that works.	20:10
@scrottie	I'm scared.	20:11
elnino	it outputs a hyperlink	20:11
@scrottie	nooooooooo!!	20:11
elnino	but now I want to add an "onclick" property to my output	20:11
elnino	I have to..	20:11
elnino	but once I added an onclick to it, the output exceeds 400 characters and gets cut off.	20:12
elnino	creating invalid html	20:12
elnino	The other alternative is to use jquery to add the onclick perperty.	20:12
elnino	reason I'm adding the onclick property is that I'm using google analytics to track the outbound links I'm creating.	20:12
@scrottie	oh, hmm. no idea where that limit is.	20:12
elnino	my.cnf	20:12
@scrottie	really?	20:12
elnino	but I don't have access to plainblacks servers.	20:12
elnino	according to the mysql docs.	20:13
@scrottie	what has a 400 char limit?	20:13
elnino	group_concat_max_len	20:13
@scrottie	dammit. the more I learn about MySQL, the more I learn that Postgres really has their house in order.	20:13
@scrottie	seriously.	20:13
* scrottie sighs		20:13
@scrottie	you probably don't have admin access to the database either.	20:14
elnino	correct.	20:14
elnino	I'm just a customer.	20:14
elnino	Barjol said that max_allowed_packet is set to 16M	20:14
elnino	, which also affects the limit.	20:14
elnino	I really don't know what I'm talking about either. =( All I know ismy output is getting cut off. and it's produced by a group_concat statement.	20:15
elnino	and using the default sql report template, it's still being cut off, so it isn't my custom report template	20:17
@scrottie	looks like they raised it in newer MySQLs.	20:17
@scrottie	1024.	20:18
elnino	default is supposed to be 1024 - I would THINK that is long enough for me to output 400 character.s.. right??	20:18
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@scrottie	ugh. well, ...	20:18
@scrottie	MySQL sucks.	20:18
elnino	I think we established that. =) lol I don't know any better db. so I have no opinion.	20:19
elnino	but if you go changing it on me, I'm not going to be happy.	20:19
elnino	lol	20:19
@scrottie	yeah. that's the rub.	20:20
@scrottie	we're entrenched.	20:20
elnino	so tell me what you know.. is 1024 enough for me?	20:20
@scrottie	show global variables where Variable_name = 'group_concat_max_len' -- this would let you confirm the setting	20:20
elnino	I can't do a show command. I would of if I could of.	20:20
@scrottie	can you open / have you opened a support ticket for this?	20:20
elnino	nope.	20:20
elnino	I thought it was an easy answer.	20:20
elnino	=)	20:21
@scrottie	couldn't a SQLReport do a show command?	20:21
elnino	nope. not last time I looked.	20:21
@scrottie	but that's mostly just a diversion.	20:21
@scrottie	huh. I've never tried.	20:21
elnino	actually know. the webgui db conection setup area doesn't allow me to add that provision.	20:21
@scrottie	I know painfully little about PlainBlack's hosting but hopefully someone can tweak that, at least experimentally. and they should be able to do it without restarting mysql.	20:22
elnino	s/know/no	20:22
elnino	oh, and yes, I Can open a ticket. I thought you asked if I did	20:23
@scrottie	the way I phrased that, I was kinda asking two questions at the same time ;)	20:23
* elnino will do that now.		20:24
+perlDreamer	you may have to make "show" an allowed keyword in the DatabaseLink that the SQL Report uses	20:24
elnino	I can't seem to be able to dothat.. am I missing somethign?	20:25
elnino	I'm using the webgui's database link.	20:25
elnino	it's a "thingy"	20:25
elnino	should I recreate a new webgui db link?	20:25
elnino	what would the parambeters be?	20:25
+perlDreamer	let's try this on a demo site...	20:26
+perlDreamer	hm, that's correct	20:27
elnino	the dblink? or package up my thingy?	20:27
+perlDreamer	the dblink	20:27
+perlDreamer	if you have a hosting type question about the db, it would be best to ask on the support board	20:27
+perlDreamer	all PB's hosting is based off the WRE, so everything would be handled the same way	20:27
+perlDreamer	I checked on 1 hosting server, and it's 1024	20:29
+perlDreamer	if every UTF-8 character was 3 bytes, then 400 wouldn't be enough	20:30
elnino	so this is where I stumped scrottie. Is 1024, enough for me to output 402 characters?	20:30
elnino	you're fast...	20:30
+perlDreamer	I've been doing this for a while :)	20:30
elnino	i'm glad i'm not crazy.	20:30
+perlDreamer	I've known you for a while, and haven't known you to be crazy either	20:30
elnino	is there a psecific board I go to request this to be increased? or do I go a different route and play with jquery to accomplish the same thing?	20:31
elnino	thank you... lol	20:31
+perlDreamer	what's the specific problem?	20:31
elnino	I've got an impressive sql statemtn for a thingy I wrote, and i'm exceeding the concat_group limit. =)	20:32
+perlDreamer	preaction, if you'd consider my latest Thingy ticket about packaging with and without table data, I'd love an opinion	20:32
@preaction	it was packaged without table data because there was the other import/export method	20:32
+perlDreamer	ah, good point!	20:33
@preaction	in theory you could tie the two together, that might be nice	20:33
@preaction	the future plan is to make packages more editable, so putting a csv blob in there might be good	20:33
+perlDreamer	elnino, what's the SQL statement?	20:33
elnino	I'll put it on pastebin....	20:33
+perlDreamer	preaction, so for now, this isn't a bug	20:33
@preaction	it would be a feature if you want to do it	20:34
+perlDreamer	it'd be nice to have an option to do it, or not, based on the usage case	20:34
+perlDreamer	but we can get the data, and that's what matters for now	20:34
elnino	http://pastebin.com/zGi5tQS2	20:35
+perlDreamer	huh	20:36
+perlDreamer	if you had 10 rows with a 40 character entry, that'd be 400	20:37
+perlDreamer	ah, hang on	20:38
+perlDreamer	it's group_concating the created URL's	20:38
+perlDreamer	those are big	20:38
+perlDreamer	I'm guessing something on the order of 150 characters per entry	20:39
elnino	yep.	20:39
elnino	in those hrefs, you see an "a" that is where a file path is supposed to tbe	20:39
elnino	s/tbe/be	20:39
elnino	I shorted it to "a" to see if it was a limit I was reaching.	20:40
elnino	so I would say that each hyper link could be ...	20:40
elnino	I figured 250	20:40
+perlDreamer	yeah, it's too big for more than 1 or 2 links	20:41
elnino	well, and the group concat is currently creating 1 or two links. but if more sound file formats come out, we'll be looking at 3 or 4 links.	20:41
elnino	so.	20:42
+perlDreamer	here are some options	20:42
+perlDreamer	use JS to post-process the SQL Report output	20:42
elnino	I can use jquery to create the onclick for now, but if more file formats come out, i'll be hitting the limit again.	20:42
+perlDreamer	how about using the Thingy AJAX interfaces to do this? Would that work?	20:42
elnino	My brain doesn't compute AJAX. It was hard enought o use yahoo api to make this a cool sortable table. =)	20:43
+perlDreamer	it may not be as hard as you think	20:44
+perlDreamer	each cell has a custom formatter	20:44
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+perlDreamer	and you can probably make asyncRequests to lookup information for each cell	20:44
+perlDreamer	it would be slow though	20:44
elnino	wait....l. my children are having a break down.. Can I come back in an hour or two?	20:45
+perlDreamer	sure :)	20:45
elnino	sorry. thanks!	20:46
elnino	oh.. and jsut so you can see, this is what it's producing: http://www.standfirm.us/download/alphabetical	20:50
elnino	that's before I'm adding the onclick for google analytics - at which I'm hitting the limit.	20:52
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+perlDreamer	elnino, I don't see any clipping going on, which row are you having problems with?	20:56
+perlDreamer	I mean, you can save a little bit by taking out the "constant" strings like "with voice" and putting them into the template	20:57
elnino	this is where it works.. I have an open version tag, where I'm adding the onclick property which is maxing the limit and clipping the output.	20:57
+perlDreamer	in fact...	20:57
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	20:57
+perlDreamer	which templating system are you using?	20:58
elnino	the default.	20:58
+perlDreamer	if you switched to Template::Toolkit	20:58
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+perlDreamer	you could probably just output the unique bits as a delimited string	20:58
+perlDreamer	then use TT to split it and generate the links	20:59
+perlDreamer	that gets you out of the group_concat limit by only returning the "important" bits	20:59
+perlDreamer	and putting the formatting logic into a template, where it really works well	20:59
+perlDreamer	it would mean learning TT though	20:59
+perlDreamer	but there are good resources for that	20:59
+perlDreamer	and TT should be part of a standard hosting package	20:59
+perlDreamer	preaction, my TT pain is up to about 4 days per week	21:01
@preaction	yay?	21:01
+perlDreamer	perhaps, but when I get to 5 I'm going to start planning a 7.x transition to TT to be discussed	21:02
+perlDreamer	because it just sucks the hoops that people have to jump through	21:02
elnino	well.	21:04
+perlDreamer	elnino, here's a link to split in TT: http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/VMethods.html#method_split	21:04
elnino	the "with voice" and the "live" was something he threw at me at the last minute. I have another version tag tha tI'm trying to put those in separate columns. so that part wil go away.	21:05
elnino	s/part/issue	21:05
elnino	I see though the value of using TT	21:06
elnino	fot the other stuff.	21:06
elnino	I went down the group concat road because I origianlly wanted to do a sql query with sub querys that followed the one to many relationship stucture I have going.I don't know if you vaguely remember that conversation.	21:08
+perlDreamer	I do	21:08
elnino	as a hosting customer, do I have the optoin to use TT?	21:09
+perlDreamer	I believe so, however it's my turn to tend to kids	21:13
+perlDreamer	I'll get you an answer in about 30 minutes or so	21:13
elnino	=)	21:16
elnino	I looked. I don't currently have the option.	21:24
+perlDreamer	where is this site hosted?	21:31
elnino	with you.	21:34
elnino	well, at plainblack.	21:34
+perlDreamer	:)	21:34
+perlDreamer	does it have more than domain name attached to it?	21:34
elnino	yes. I have about 4/5 aliases	21:35
elnino	pilgrimsongs.us is the "real" one	21:35
+perlDreamer	it's enabled now	21:38
elnino	thx! - Ill go that route...	21:39
@scrottie	1.5 gigs of RAM to show the error page? sure!	21:45
+perlDreamer	that's some stack trace	21:50
@scrottie	Data::Dumper of all of the lexicals for each frame plus all of the arguments for each frame	21:51
@scrottie	30 odd frames deep	21:51
@scrottie	with big fat objects	21:51
* scrottie vomits code all over the repo		21:58
+perlDreamer	well, it doesn't help that session is a huge nasty recursive object either	21:58
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r742db18 / (lib/WebGUI.pm lib/WebGUI/Middleware/Session.pm): don't force an extra layer of streaming as doing so bypasses plack middlewares. - http://bit.ly/johZZC	21:58
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * ra97c1c9 / lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm :	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: middleware based on Plack::Middleware::StackTrace that also dumps all of the assets in a YUI tree view	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: because that seemed like a good idea at the time. - http://bit.ly/mwosqo	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r81b69f8 / share/upgrades/7.10.4-8.0.0/documentation_free-documentation.wgpkg : API doc Wiki page moved from http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/api to http://www.webgui.org/wiki/api - http://bit.ly/iTEhms	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r617ca06 / (lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm sbin/testEnvironment.pl):	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: Tweak which stack frames WebGUI::Middleware::StackTrace skips for HTML and text	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: output; add the modules it uses to testEnvironment.pl; comment out the dumping	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: of the asset tree for now; silence a warning in testEnvironment.pl by tweaking	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: module test/load order - http://bit.ly/mphzb9	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r59a22f4 / (lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm share/site.psgi):	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: set recursion limit to 1 for dumped lexicals and function args; with unlimited depth, it was	21:59
@scrottie	I should have cherry-pick -n'd some of those commits and rolled them up together. sorry. I keep thinking I'm about to wash my hands of it, testing it a bit more, and then fussing with it again.	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: making my Mozilla shoot to 1.5gigs and taking the server and browser forever to get the	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: error page up.	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: keep the HTML of the original page and tack it on to the end of the stack trace.	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: add WebGUI::Middleware::StackTrace to the default site.psgi in place of the standard StackTrace,	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: but leave a comment for the other one in case people prefer it. - http://bit.ly/lKFgaY	21:59
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r2f45f30 / lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm : Doc improvements - http://bit.ly/l0iQrU	22:08
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+perlDreamer	time to go running	22:31
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r8485707 / t/PSGI/StackTrace.t : Basic tests for WebGUI::Middleware::StackTrace - http://bit.ly/mc31sx	22:58
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@preaction	shortcut needs to get rid of all functionality that is not shortcutting an asset...	23:40
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@preaction	huh. how did some of these tests work at all...	23:51
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r475a885 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm t/Asset/Shortcut/forms.t): shortcut now takes ?visitor=1 to edit visitor prefs from dashboard - http://bit.ly/jaL8ff	23:53
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ref2727f / (2 files in 2 dirs): update usedBy when redeeming subscription code - http://bit.ly/lrzJEn	23:53
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * re34d1ad / t/Asset/Snippet.t : shortcut no longer overrides getToolbar, so stop testing it - http://bit.ly/mtbL4r	23:55
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6ae2862 / t/Asset/Wobject/EventManagementSystem.t : all template vars have "controls" now - http://bit.ly/lAOz85	23:56
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r65f3f35 / t/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum/view.t : class is now className when doing www_add - http://bit.ly/mi9BdG	23:57
+BartJol	whoa, wg8 is booming	23:59
--- Day changed Fri May 06 2011
@preaction	we're very close to an alpha	00:00
@preaction	i'm right now making all our tests pass	00:00
@preaction	then i'll probably test the upgrade against a local copy of pb.com and wg.org and if that works, mark an alpha	00:01
@preaction	while i then go and fix helpdesk and automat for 8 so pb.com and wg.org can be actually upgraded	00:01
+perlDreamer	and KarmaGifter, and the Karma payment plugin	00:02
+perlDreamer	and whatever raft of other custom software's running on that box	00:02
@preaction	right	00:02
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@scrottie	perl -e 'd = a; print $d[0];'	01:43
@scrottie	"String evals will no longer fail after 2 billion scopes have been compiled"	01:51
@preaction	who's a jigga what?	01:56
@preaction	i suppose for long long long long running processes	01:57
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra476f09 / t/Asset/Wobject/Shelf.t : Shelf no longer has importProducts or exportProducts, they're AssetHelpers - http://bit.ly/k0pGwx	02:52
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r140b5a5 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move Shelf tests into AssetHelper tests (and fix the thing) - http://bit.ly/mKjffD	02:52
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@scrottie	DateTime doesn't list its deps very well... needs Class::ISA and List::MoreUtils and...	03:18
@scrottie	DBD::mysql doesn't build cleanly on 5.14.0-rc2	03:19
@scrottie	ImageMagick is apparently just on crack	03:21
@scrottie	I say we replace it with NetPBM.	03:22
@scrottie	hrm, making an Image::Magick-work-a-like API based on NetPBM would be fun, if I were targetting an incomplete solution	03:26
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r18dd9a4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): move export product tests and fix the export product helper - http://bit.ly/mlzp88	03:28
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rd7339c9 / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : class is now className in www_add - http://bit.ly/mliJlI	03:30
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r36923dc / t/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster/search.t : class is now className in www_add - http://bit.ly/lUKlqg	03:30
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r61eff5b / t/Asset/dispatch.t : the default URL is /, not the empty string - http://bit.ly/kLPqHt	03:37
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rbf75ed1 / t/Content/SiteIndex.t : we now cache the requested URL inside the session, fix it for tests - http://bit.ly/jrvNRT	03:37
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf33f4db / t/Macro/AdminText.t : admin mode is always on for admins - http://bit.ly/m6eQyT	03:37
@preaction	6 failing test scripts left!	03:41
@scrottie	# Failed test 'use Crypt::SSLeay;'	03:43
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2e720d6 / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.pm t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t): getEditForm returns FormBuilder and csrfToken should be added by www_edit - http://bit.ly/lgot5I	03:44
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0693e33 / t/Shop/ShipDriver/FlatRate.t : getEditForm is a FormBuilder and doesnt include csrfToken (added by www_edit) - http://bit.ly/k2yNQg	03:46
@preaction	One of these pictures was rotated 90 degrees and then back again by Imagemagick. guess which one?	03:52
@preaction	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/226725/Screen%20shot%202011-05-05%20at%207.51.31%20PM.png	03:52
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6b0cd93 / (t/Storage.t t/Storage/Image.t): i'm not testing that imagemagick does it correctly... - http://bit.ly/mbhUQI	04:02
elnino	HELLO! THANK YOU for http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/template-toolkit-introduction and http://www.webgui.org/ht_to_tt!!!	04:11
@preaction	thank bopbop and frodwith respectively	04:11
elnino	thank you thank you!	04:12
@preaction	scrottie: except for the POD test, all the tests should be fixed now, but you might want to make a run and check anyway. my test set is limited to "doug's laptop running OS X 10.6 in some strange unreleased WRE version"	04:15
@scrottie	cool. yeah, I'll do before and after the Plack "fix". thank you.	04:19
@scrottie	POE::API::Peek falls apart under 5.14.	04:20
@scrottie	though I think the tests that I would cause to fail don't exist and need to be written.	04:36
@scrottie	I don't see Class::InsideOut used anywhere but it's still in testEnvironment.pl. kill?	04:38
@preaction	please	04:38
@preaction	and take great joy in it	04:38
* scrottie nods		04:39
@scrottie	I wish I knew how much time I had to spend on this. I could plan my time better if I weren't going hour by hour.	04:39
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r13a2c35 / lib/WebGUI/Middleware/StackTrace.pm :	04:43
CIA-70	webgui: Get rid of the cargo culted code about sending a text reply if the browser didn't specify	04:43
CIA-70	webgui: that it understands HTML. This interacts badly with Plack::Test and doesn't have much of	04:43
CIA-70	webgui: a point in real life anyway, and I accidentally sent the test up that dends on this being	04:43
CIA-70	webgui: gone without sending this too. Argh. If I could send up a coherent commit just once... - http://bit.ly/kOGLgJ	04:43
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * ra4744e9 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Doug and Colin did the work of removing all use of Class::InsideOut so now we can celebrate. - http://bit.ly/jMGU9b	04:44
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elnino	hi. in the template world, is session.var.adminOn a hash array reference?	07:09
@preaction	no, it's just a boolean	07:10
elnino	so.. I was all excited about http://www.webgui.org/ht_to_tt, but it didn't seem to work.	07:10
elnino	it converted session.var.adminOn into session_var_adminOn - would that be correct?	07:11
elnino	I'm trying to debug the resulting tt and just want to make sure I'm reading this correclty.	07:11
@preaction	yes, TT requires that any var with . becomes _	07:11
@preaction	because . is reserved by TT's use	07:12
@preaction	so if it says it has a . in the help, it should be a _ instead	07:12
elnino	the converter also converted <tmpl_loop debug_loop> to	07:13
elnino	FOREACH item IN debug_loop; FOREACH [item]	07:13
elnino	would that be a correct conversion?	07:13
elnino	I would think it would simply be:	07:14
elnino	FOREACH debug_loop	07:14
@preaction	no, it's FOREACH item IN debug_loop	07:15
@preaction	then inside the loop, you refer to item	07:15
elnino	not occording to http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/template-toolkit-introduction presentation.... Oh I'm so confused.	07:16
@preaction	http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Syntax.html <- the definitive source	07:16
@preaction	also, http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html	07:17
@preaction	specifically http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_FOREACH	07:17
elnino	yes, that's where I started to ask here. Cause they didn't agree. =)	07:17
@preaction	they're both correct, but the one the converter did is better	07:17
elnino	what it converted didn't work, and i made sure I changd the "template type" too	07:18
elnino	even my controls don't show up for the report.	07:19
elnino	[% IF session_var_adminOn %]	07:19
elnino	<p>[% controls %]</p>	07:19
elnino	[% END %]	07:19
elnino	oh. I guess they do. something else is preventing them from displaying.	07:20
elnino	I guess I'll go and include each line back in at a time.	07:20
elnino	Thanks!	07:20
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elnino	AH HA!	07:56
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elnino	did that show up?	07:56
elnino	darn.	07:57
elnino	there is a	07:57
elnino	slash <![CDATA[ slash	07:57
elnino	showing up in my html code.. that shouldn't be there.	07:57
elnino	I'm thinking I need a filter of some sort.. the CDATA thing is breaking the javascript I'm trying to output.	07:58
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@preaction	/<![CDATA[/ you mean?	08:16
elnino	yes. It appears and I don't know how to get rid o fit.	08:16
@preaction	as long as it has a matching /]]>/ at the end and you're using an XHTML doctype, it shouldn't matter	08:16
elnino	oh but i todes, it's surrounding my javascript and rendering it to nothing. That's why I couldn't see anything. it's the only difference I see between the TT and HT	08:17
elnino	s/i todes/it does	08:17
elnino	Ot	08:18
elnino	opps	08:18
elnino	it does have that slash*]] stuff at the end...	08:18
elnino	I'll do a pastebin.	08:18
elnino	http://pastebin.com/fPEGygPj - I stripped out a lot of the javascript	08:21
@preaction	what is the error you're getting?	08:22
@preaction	and pastebin the entire thing	08:22
@preaction	the template preferably	08:22
elnino	http://pastebin.com/6ucEhhac - here is the template as produced by the converter on webgui.org - works perfect! except for the CDATA stuff.	08:24
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@preaction	there is no cdata stuff in there. did you turn on the compressed or minified template?	08:25
elnino	compressed	08:25
@preaction	that is probably what's doing it then	08:25
elnino	right. the cdata is appearing in the output.	08:25
elnino	oh. let me try that then.	08:25
elnino	OK.. so I turned "packed" off and the CDATA disappeared. but report is still not displaying. grr. back to drawing board again.	08:27
@preaction	the cdata block is not incorrect, it is the correct way to escape non-XML inside of XML	08:28
@preaction	otherwise the <a href> and everything needs to be <a href> to be valid XML	08:28
elnino	I think I found it... my attempt at debugging.	08:28
elnino	darn.	08:30
elnino	didn't work.	08:30
elnino	this is the output http://pastebin.com/4dgy0X3H	08:35
elnino	I'm missing commas.. let me fix that...	08:36
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@preaction	you've got some barewords in there	08:41
@preaction	javascript: pageTracker._trackPageview(/mp3/voice/a); <- /mp3/voice/a needs quotes	08:41
@preaction	also, onclick doesn't need javascript:	08:42
@preaction	also it's all lowercase	08:42
@preaction	(onclick)	08:42
elnino	ok I change that too. I copied from google =)	08:42
elnino	it was the comma. not sure why [% UNLESS loop.last %],[% END %] doesn't work.	08:47
elnino	that's what the converter gave me.	08:47
elnino	I'll fix the pagetracker now.	08:47
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elnino	thanks preaction I'm going to sleep now. The whole pagetracker thing I'm changing my mind on - instead I'll will be using jquery because of group_concat limit issues.	09:26
elnino	good night!	09:26
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SDuensin	FrIdAy!	16:51
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@pbcj	mornin'	17:59
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sbaur	happy friday!	18:06
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5cefff9 / t/Workflow/Activity/RemoveOldCarts.t : make RemoveOldCarts test more robust - http://bit.ly/jOUMJD	21:20
+perlDreamer	preaction: need a backport to 7.x?	21:21
@preaction	maybe?	21:21
@preaction	it could probably use it, that test fails when run in conjunction with any other shop test that fails to clean up every cart	21:22
+perlDreamer	like, in parallel?	21:25
+perlDreamer	every test should clean up carts	21:25
+perlDreamer	anyway	21:25
+perlDreamer	if it doesn't then I can give you a boot	21:25
+perlDreamer	since I likely wrote all those tests	21:25
+perlDreamer	and I should know better	21:26
@preaction	sure they should, but other tests shouldn't care what carts are there before it	21:27
+perlDreamer	preaction, I have to run, but I got to thinking about 7.10 and a feature freeze	22:24
+perlDreamer	when should we freeze?	22:24
@preaction	i was thinking when 8 goes beta	22:25
@preaction	well, after 8 goes beta we'll announce it	22:25
+perlDreamer	so, give a few weeks for the stragglers, then lock it down?	22:25
@preaction	more like give 8 beta a few weeks to calm down then lock 7.10	22:26
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+perlDreamer	bah	00:24
+perlDreamer	8 will wow the world	00:24
@preaction	"wow, i can't believe they released it in this state"	00:25
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3e161b3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the new Map template help variables. Fixes bug #12121 - http://bit.ly/lORzAb	00:40
+perlDreamer	now, come on preaction	00:42
+perlDreamer	you and I have clearly defined roles	00:42
+perlDreamer	you get to be the young, dynamic architecture wizard	00:43
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r2a7f859 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix a typo in the new Map template help variables. Fixes bug #12121 - http://bit.ly/lJhulz	00:43
+perlDreamer	and I am the old, crotchety, cynical, skeptical maintenance engineer	00:43
@preaction	i object to three of those words :p	00:43
+perlDreamer	if you start being cynical, I'll have to be young or dynamic	00:43
+perlDreamer	and that won't be pretty	00:43
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docster_	Hello friends. I am trying to upgrade from 7.9.23-stable to 7.9.27-stable but it runs instantly and returns: Setting site upgrade completed...OK NO UPGRADES NECESSARY Then when I check the Stats it is still 7.9.23	18:20
docster_	I started this upgrade because AFTER upgrading to 7.9.23 we started getting this error in the log file: .WikiMasterKeywords' doesn't exist I was hoping 7.9.27 would fix that.	18:24
docster_	WikiMasterKeywords table still does not exist in my database after multiple upgrades. Does anyone know where I can get the schema for it?	18:35
docster_	I found the create table schema for WikiMasterKeywords in the docs/create.sql file for anyone else that runs into this. There seems to be a bug when upgrading from 7.8.14-stable to 7.9.23-stable where this table is not created. I know there was a bug posted and closed as "unreproducible" on this but it also just happened to me on 10 of our sites. So somehow, someway, in some version, the WikiMasterKeywords table is not be	19:02
docster_	created. Anyway, we are fine now. ;o)	19:02
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elnino	openid scares the bejeebies out of me. Can anyone convince me why it shouldn't?	20:36
elnino	and does facebook use openid? they aren't listed o openid's website. I know I know, this isn't webgui related, but I trust you guys and you're all smarter than me.. =)	20:41
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arcanez	seen rizen	03:23
arcanez	perlbot: bad bot	03:23
perlbot	arcanez: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [bethbot]	03:23
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:57
arcanez	where is that rizen fellow	16:59
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+BartJol	arcanez: he doen't hang out here too much lately	17:35
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arcanez	that doesn't sound like much fun :(	17:46
+BartJol	nope	17:48
arcanez	does he irc _at all_?	17:48
+BartJol	now and then	17:48
+BartJol	I also have the problem of 7 hours time difference with him	17:48
+BartJol	so it might also be that that is part of the problem	17:49
arcanez	.nl?	17:49
+BartJol	yes	17:49
arcanez	great as everyone says?	17:49
+BartJol	off course	17:49
@preaction	he doesn't do much webgui work these days	17:51
arcanez	all lacuna? :)	17:51
@preaction	that and www.thegamecrafter.com 2.0	17:51
@preaction	fortunately he left a capable lieutenant in charge of the webgui	17:52
arcanez	I just wanted to talk to him about Facebook::Graph :)	17:52
@preaction	he might be in #lacuna-expanse	17:53
@preaction	nm, e-mail perhaps?	17:53
arcanez	is he responsive on that?	17:54
@preaction	as far as i know yes, but i've got an in	17:56
@preaction	otherwise if there's a github repo, he'll probably respond to tickets	17:57
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	17:59
+perlDreamer	BartJol, you can give Rory a big high-five for posting that reCaptcha bug	18:00
arcanez	k	18:03
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CIA-70	webgui: Paul Driver master * rf153882 / (3 files in 3 dirs): rfe #12123: Layouts related for export purposes - http://bit.ly/jctU3g	18:04
+perlDreamer	frodwith, pretty soon WebGUI will just export the whole thing :)	18:05
@frodwith	:(	18:05
+perlDreamer	well, you already get related layouts	18:06
+perlDreamer	and if the layouts export all their children...	18:06
@frodwith	they don't, actually	18:06
+perlDreamer	maybe I should read your code intead of making dumb comments based on the commit messages	18:06
@frodwith	it's not a dumb comment	18:07
arcanez	webgui runs on mod_perl?	18:07
@frodwith	I had/have the same concern	18:07
@frodwith	yeah arcanez, although webgui 8 is a psgi app	18:07
+BartJol	perlDreamer: he just left the building	18:07
@frodwith	perlDreamer: having slept on it some, I think exporting the container (without exporting the siblings) makes a lot of sense. The idea is, exporting this may invalidate these other assets, so export them as well. You're not going to invalidate siblings (usually) but you will invalidate parents.	18:10
@frodwith	So it's not the whole tree, it's just me, some other guys, and some number of my direct ancestors. Which isn't so bad.	18:11
+perlDreamer	I don't get the "exporting this may invalidate these other assets" part.	18:11
@frodwith	let's say you've got an article on a layout	18:12
+perlDreamer	k	18:12
@frodwith	and you've exported your whole site at some point	18:12
@frodwith	so you've got a static version of your site sitting around	18:12
@frodwith	and you go and edit the article	18:12
+perlDreamer	ah, okay	18:12
@frodwith	now, you don't want to export your whole site again, cause it took an hour	18:12
@frodwith	yeah, you've got it	18:12
@frodwith	:)	18:12
+perlDreamer	and in the odd case I was thinking of	18:13
+perlDreamer	I want to export a branch of my site	18:13
+perlDreamer	this is the first export ever	18:13
+perlDreamer	there's a related asset "over there"	18:13
+perlDreamer	and I not only get it, but it's container as well	18:13
@frodwith	in that case, I think you wouldn't want to export related assets at all	18:14
+perlDreamer	probably	18:14
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+perlDreamer	it would certainly wreak havoc with the funky broken navigation that would be generated on the related asset	18:18
@frodwith	I think exporting subparts of an asset tree will never work perfectly. I mean, you have assetproxies, possible links to things you didn't export through navs, asset reports, who the heck knows what else	18:19
@frodwith	I mean, I suppose you could monkeypatch Asset::New and see what all gets loaded when you export the page	18:20
+perlDreamer	yeah, like the UserList asset, which can give you links to user profiles	18:20
+perlDreamer	any other kind of account link	18:20
@frodwith	yeah	18:20
+perlDreamer	actually, anything that isn't an asset won't export well	18:20
+perlDreamer	FilePump content	18:21
@frodwith	i think static stuff generally avoids talking about users at all though	18:21
@frodwith	We should start making cpalamara hang out in here or something. They're the only folks I know who make heavy use of static exporting, but they use it a TON.	18:23
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r34eda69 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Update the recaptcha api URLs. Fixes bug #12125 - http://bit.ly/khiHcW	18:25
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r68aa549 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Captcha.pm): Update the recaptcha api URLs. Fixes bug #12125 - http://bit.ly/kxBjME	18:25
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+perlDreamer	preaction: so the folks at Google have bought Recaptcha	20:49
+perlDreamer	and this month they've decided to stop using the old recaptcha URLs	20:49
SDuensin	Oh fun.	20:50
+perlDreamer	and use bright shiny new google URLs for doing recatpcha fetches and verifies	20:50
+perlDreamer	I have fixed that bug for 7.9 and 7.10	20:50
+perlDreamer	but there are folks out there with earlier versions	20:50
+perlDreamer	do we release an advisory with patches, or just notify them so they can upgrade?	20:50
@preaction	perlDreamer: i'd say notify them so they can upgraydd	20:59
+perlDreamer	hm either you need coffee, of you're secretly saying that upgrading is a gray issue	20:59
+perlDreamer	but I'll do that	20:59
@preaction	it's not tat big of a deal	20:59
sbaur	um, I'd say upgrading is a huge deal for some of us...	21:02
SDuensin	Upgrading scares me.	21:03
+perlDreamer	sbaur, in the advisory I'll post a link to the bug	21:03
+perlDreamer	the bug lists the commit to fix the bug	21:04
+perlDreamer	so it can be backported by anyone who is stuck due to custom code or lack of resources to do it	21:04
+perlDreamer	in, fact, if you're curious, it's this one http://bit.ly/khiHcW	21:05
sbaur	Thanks pD. Now I just have to remember which of my servers/sites are using recaptcha...	21:06
+perlDreamer	are your servers using the same version of WebGUI?	21:07
+perlDreamer	if so, then just patch 1, then copy Form/Captcha to the rest	21:07
sbaur	currently, they are, but probably not for much longer	21:07
sbaur	yup	21:08
sbaur	but it would be good to have a site in mind to test on after the patch is applied :-)	21:08
+perlDreamer	true	21:08
+perlDreamer	you're using WebGUI 7.6?	21:09
sbaur	7.5.40	21:09
+perlDreamer	hm, wgd has a "for-each" command	21:09
+perlDreamer	where it will do another command on each site via the config files	21:09
* sbaur hasn't played with wgd at all yet		21:09
+perlDreamer	wgd is a life saver	21:10
+perlDreamer	for example, to find the sites using recaptcha	21:10
+perlDreamer	wgd for-each setting useRecaptcha	21:10
+perlDreamer	will help you find that	21:10
sbaur	nice	21:10
+perlDreamer	Haarg did lots of work to make sure it would work with earlier versions of WebGUi	21:10
+perlDreamer	so it might be worth a try	21:11
+perlDreamer	otherwise, a little script will do the same thing	21:11
Haarg	i still need to fix the documentation in wgd. it fails to load properly on a number of systems and i can't reproduce it so it's kind of hard to fix.	21:13
+perlDreamer	does wgd work back to 7.5.40 Haarg?	21:14
sbaur	Actually, i think my only recaptcha using site is the one hosted with you on a shared server, so I'm off the hook. I say this because the recaptcha doc I wrote for the wiki, says start with 7.6.11 or higher, and that's my only site that qualifies! Yay, I'm off the hook for an immediate fix :-)	21:14
+perlDreamer	yay!	21:14
Haarg	perlDreamer it should	21:14
+perlDreamer	Go learn wgd anyway sbaur. You'll be happy you did :)	21:14
sbaur	It's on my list already...	21:14
Haarg	perlDreamer, have you seen any servers where wgd fails to load its documentation?	21:17
+perlDreamer	no, but I haven't really looked, either	21:18
+perlDreamer	I'll start keeping my eyes open	21:18
+perlDreamer	I know that on my Ubuntu box it works fine	21:18
+perlDreamer	and on every CentOS box I've ever looked at	21:18
Haarg	generally the short help work but long help fails	21:18
Haarg	and by generally i mean that's the reports i've gotten. i can't reproduce it and it doesn't seem due to particular versions of a module.	21:19
+perlDreamer	whoa	21:19
+perlDreamer	got one right now	21:19
+perlDreamer	what would you like to know?	21:19
Haarg	hmm	21:19
+perlDreamer	this is a WRE using site 0.9.3	21:20
+perlDreamer	CentOS 5.5 (shouldn't matter that much)	21:20
Haarg	can you try running from wgd source instead of the single file?	21:20
Haarg	give me a minute and i can get you a tarball so you don't have to build it	21:20
+perlDreamer	thanks :)	21:20
+perlDreamer	perl 5.10.0	21:21
Haarg	recent version of dzil actually did add a thing to help me fix it so it's easy to get all the build prereqs	21:22
Haarg	http://haarg.org/temp/WGDev-0.1105090.tar.gz	21:22
+perlDreamer	this is odd	21:23
+perlDreamer	I ran perl Makefile.PL	21:24
+perlDreamer	and it build a makefile	21:24
+perlDreamer	ran make	21:24
+perlDreamer	then when I ran make test it complains about Try::Tiny missing	21:24
+perlDreamer	maybe a missing dependency?	21:24
Haarg	possibly	21:24
+perlDreamer	let me install that, then run make test again	21:24
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+perlDreamer	nope	21:26
Haarg	?	21:26
+perlDreamer	long help still not working	21:26
+perlDreamer	but Try::Tiny should still be added	21:27
Haarg	ok, that's a start. so definitely something wrong with the code and not the packaging.	21:27
Haarg	yeah. it's only a test prereq and the recommended install has been the single script version so tests haven't been a priority.	21:27
+perlDreamer	oh, okay	21:27
Haarg	but yeah, i'll fix that	21:27
+perlDreamer	and perl -d didn't like running wgd	21:28
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Haarg	can you add some debugging to lib/WGDev/Help.pm to see where it has the pod text and where it loses it?	21:33
+perlDreamer	already there	21:33
Haarg	in the package_pod sub	21:33
+perlDreamer	it says there's no POD	21:36
+perlDreamer	version problems with Pod::Select maybe?	21:37
Haarg	where does it say there's no pod?	21:37
+perlDreamer	I added some code after every ->throw in package_pod	21:37
+perlDreamer	and all of them printed	21:37
+perlDreamer	so then I asked it show me the pod that it had found	21:37
+perlDreamer	and it was empty	21:38
Haarg	what about $raw_pod ?	21:38
Haarg	it kind of seems like it's the parse_from_filehandle call that isn't working for some reason.	21:39
Haarg	what version of Pod::Select do you have?	21:39
Haarg	i remember checking that before though and the error was happening with the same version i'm using	21:40
+perlDreamer	raw_pod is okay	21:40
+perlDreamer	and the POD is okay, too, I forgot to install the code before rerunning	21:40
Haarg	what do you mean by 'the POD' exactly?	21:41
+perlDreamer	well, package_pod returns POD that it found in the requested file	21:42
+perlDreamer	and if there are sections requested, then they get filtered and that's returned instead	21:42
+perlDreamer	so, at the end I added warn "$pod";	21:42
+perlDreamer	and I get POD	21:42
Haarg	so is long help still failing?	21:42
+perlDreamer	yes	21:42
Haarg	what happens exactly?	21:43
Haarg	also what do you get from wgd commands ?	21:43
+perlDreamer	wgd commands: http://gist.github.com/963095	21:44
Haarg	ok so that's working. had a report of that not loading the descriptions.	21:44
+perlDreamer	bottom part of what comes out when I run my modifed/debugged wgd help ls http://gist.github.com/963101	21:45
Haarg	can you try running it as not root?	21:46
+perlDreamer	when not root, it works	21:47
Haarg	well that's a start.	21:47
+perlDreamer	the if statement is bein triggered at the bottom of package_perldoc	21:48
Haarg	give me a minute and i'll have another version for you to test	21:48
Haarg	what is your umask?	21:49
+perlDreamer	0022	21:50
+perlDreamer	for root	21:50
+perlDreamer	and for me, 0002	21:50
+perlDreamer	in that if statement, $? is 256	21:50
Haarg	yeah. it's probably another variant of the problem i worked around before.	21:50
Haarg	perldoc tries to drop privs	21:51
Haarg	so the temp file written out is inaccessible	21:51
+perlDreamer	but root usually supersedes permissions	21:51
Haarg	it switches to another user	21:52
+perlDreamer	ah	21:52
Haarg	so that it isn't root anymore	21:52
+perlDreamer	seems odd that Pod::Perldoc doesn't have any POD	21:54
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+perlDreamer	morning, jimX11	21:57
jimX11	howdy	21:57
Haarg	i'm fishing through internals right now :/	21:57
Haarg	no worse than i've done before though	21:58
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'm thinking about a run	22:02
+perlDreamer	are you close so that I should wait?	22:02
Haarg	two minutes and we'll see	22:02
Haarg	ok, it's going to take me a while longer	22:04
+perlDreamer	I'll go for a run, that'll give you plenty of time	22:04
+perlDreamer	it was an ugly run, I hope you had better time coding, Haarg	22:44
Haarg	http://haarg.org/temp/WGDev-0.1105090.tar.gz updated	22:45
+perlDreamer	works well	22:46
Haarg	cool	22:46
+perlDreamer	I get formatted *roff output as both root and a normal user	22:47
Haarg	the pod parsing modules are all pretty crufty and terrible to work with	22:51
Haarg	does the formatting look correct? having the package name at the top and being the correct width?	22:58
+perlDreamer	I'm on a call, I'll check that in a bit	22:59
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r69ac91e / (lib/WGDev/Command/Base.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Help.pm): allow help errors to propagate - http://bit.ly/jqY0lN	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r2cf4c58 / lib/WGDev/Help.pm :	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: drop privileges before writing temp file for perldoc	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: This moves the entire process of writing the temp file for perldoc into	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: the subprocess. Before creating any directories or files, it drops	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: privileges using Pod::Perldoc's drop_privs_maybe method. This should	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: guarantee they can be read by perldoc. - http://bit.ly/mGt23w	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rdb91021 / (README dist.ini): improve build instructions - http://bit.ly/kW4m72	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r88de6e3 / Changes :	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: v0.1105090	23:24
CIA-70	wgdev: - fix documentation when run as root - http://bit.ly/iTw6Y1	23:24
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SquOnk	Greetings.	23:59
+perlDreamer	greets, SquOnk	23:59
SquOnk	perlDreamer: How can I get the value of a metadata field inside a template?	23:59
--- Day changed Tue May 10 2011
* perlDreamer vaguely remembers that there is a getMetaDataAsTemplateVariables method?		00:00
+perlDreamer	it may not be implemented in all templates	00:00
SquOnk	...yeah, I saw that, but couldn't figure out how it works.	00:00
* SquOnk is a tad slow today		00:00
+perlDreamer	yeah, I hear ya	00:00
SquOnk	Having a new Android phone has to do with that ;-)	00:01
+perlDreamer	from what I'm seeing in processTemplate, they should already be there	00:01
+perlDreamer	so, if you have metadata enabled on the site	00:01
+perlDreamer	and an Asset has fields	00:01
+perlDreamer	there will be a by-name interface to the metadata values for that field	00:01
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Do you mean plain <tmpl_var my-metadata-field>?	00:01
+perlDreamer	yup	00:02
+perlDreamer	any template processed by processTemplate will have that in it	00:02
SquOnk	Well, it's the simplest cleanest solution, now that I think of it.	00:02
SquOnk	But as I said before, I'm a tad slow today.	00:02
+perlDreamer	WebGUI is renowned for it's simple and clean solutions	00:02
SquOnk	Had to deal with Tomcat7 during the morning, so I might have lost a few thousand neurons.	00:02
* perlDreamer is out to pick up kids, back in 20		00:04
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, is there a new wgd available for download?	00:21
+perlDreamer	I know for existing sites we can wgd update	00:22
Haarg	http://haarg.org/wgd has been updated. i'm not sticking tarballs anywhere at this point because it's a bunch of extra work.	00:22
+perlDreamer	sure	00:23
+perlDreamer	between git and wgd, do you get a lot of requests for tarballs?	00:24
Haarg	not really	00:24
Haarg	i'm pretty just recommending the single file dist at this point because it's easier for me to update and easier for users as well.	00:25
+perlDreamer	I use it all the time	00:25
+perlDreamer	it's hard to beat wget http://haarg.org/wgd	00:25
Haarg	also, i was wrong about Try::Tiny. it is needed for WGDev itself, not just the tests.	00:34
Haarg	but the single file dist packages it in, so it wasn't causing problems for users	00:35
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, if I try to run a utility script in another directory	01:01
+perlDreamer	I sh ould be able to pass wgd the -R switch and have it run, yes?	01:01
Haarg	using the util command? iirc it changes to the sbin directory before running scripts.	01:02
+perlDreamer	hm, so running install scripts outside of /data/WebGUI/sbin is not okay?	01:03
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Haarg	the util scripts like to assume that you are in sbin when they are run	01:04
Haarg	i think that's been fixed, but wgd aims to work with older versions as well	01:04
+perlDreamer	I figured that since wgd would set the environment by reading preload.custom it would work anyway	02:03
+perlDreamer	I guess I'm on the very fringes of DWIM	02:03
Haarg	the problem isn't finding the libraries, it's finding the webgui root. older util scripts just use '..' as the root dir, so there's really no solution except being in sbin. if the script you want to run will work when run from any directory, it would probably. don't remember it tweaks the actual util script filename.	02:07
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+perlDreamer	preaction: does FormBuilder generate template variables as it stands today?	02:37
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CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rb1d282e / (19 files in 7 dirs): Perl::Critic fixes (+5 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/lgDcsM	02:50
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Haarg	perlDreamer, i merged in a couple of your changes (with package importing)	02:51
+perlDreamer	thanks! :)	02:51
Haarg	if you get a chance to test them i'd appreciate it	02:52
Haarg	also re: https://github.com/perlDreamer/wgdev/commit/993a026d48f9abbb1ef6733534e699d5a905ea72	02:52
+perlDreamer	poorly made?	02:52
Haarg	if that used a wgdev config setting for those defaults instead of being hard coded	02:52
Haarg	and if it used the WGDev::File->matched_find thing i just added, i would include it	02:53
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+perlDreamer	I think I can do that	02:53
+perlDreamer	but it won't be for several days	02:53
Haarg	i think i recommended you use the copy_deeply thing even though it's not really appropriate in that case. my bad.	02:53
Haarg	it's just a build process so it doesn't need to extra existence / size tests. basically just needs to mkpath and copy.	02:54
@scrottie	frodwith, one of the things on my todo list is "talk to Paul about the new bugboard". someone told me that it's essentially finished and just needs testing. is this the case?	03:11
@frodwith	more or less, bug me about it during business hours :)	03:11
@scrottie	heh, will do.	03:11
@preaction	perlDreamer: the Asset Edit Form is being generated completely via FormBuilder template variables	03:27
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+perlDreamer	thanks, preaction. I had forgotten the difference between the FormBuilder template variables, and the Form plugin template variables	04:48
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+perlDreamer	few things in life are as good as watching Thundarr the Barbarian while the WebGUI test suite runs	06:47
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd88c5c / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.28 release. - http://bit.ly/lFqkG3	06:58
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r2d9ef3f / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.29 development. - http://bit.ly/iDVtzP	07:10
+perlDreamer	well, except for releasing new versions of WebGUI	07:16
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+perlDreamer	microsoft bought Skype	19:03
SDuensin	That's not funny.	19:05
@preaction	eh, it could be good for both of them. ms knows how to do integration, but they just never do it for their consumer products, only their business products	19:06
@preaction	whereas apple doesn't have business products	19:06
+perlDreamer	I guess as long as they don't drop the Linux and Apple ports it'll be fine	19:06
SDuensin	Yea. MS can integrate. Just look at Games for Windows. :-P	19:07
@preaction	i don't think they'd drop those ports, they make money	19:08
@preaction	games for windows is a side-effect of using DirectX APIs on the Xbox really	19:09
@scrottie	MS also kills the Linux version and screws up the Mac version.	19:12
* perlDreamer goes to the gym and ponders scrottie's words with the global truth they contain		19:13
SDuensin	Well, one less IM client I need to run.	19:13
@preaction	scrottie: as you're testing, could you keep an eye out for anything that looks wrong visually? I'm certain I didn't catch all the changes with removing the old admin console bits	20:02
@scrottie	sure, will do.	20:03
@scrottie	the one thing I've noticed, the YUI buttons line-breaking, I think you've already mentioned.	20:04
@preaction	not that i remember	20:05
@scrottie	something about the buttons being "too big"? hmm.	20:08
@preaction	probably	20:10
@preaction	the default size is rather massive	20:10
@preaction	but honestly i like the bigger buttons	20:10
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SDuensin	Anyone ever have IE7 load your JS but not execute the code that's not in functions?	20:20
+perlDreamer	sure, it's due to an error in the JS (according to IE7)	20:22
+perlDreamer	I've had a little success with using IE8's JS debugger when that happens	20:22
SDuensin	I figured that, but I've yet to hit on the right google search terms to learn about it. :-)	20:23
SDuensin	And I'm stuck at work with ONLY IE7 installed. <sigh>	20:23
+perlDreamer	install VirtualBox and run another copy of windows in a VM	20:23
SDuensin	Not allowed.	20:23
SDuensin	Honestly, I'm somewhat surprised I was able to create a new document.	20:24
+perlDreamer	Shame on you for documenting!	20:24
SDuensin	It was a JS document! :-P	20:24
+perlDreamer	shame on your for using JS!	20:26
@scrottie	buy Windows hosting somewhere, install VNC on it at home, and use the Flash VNC viewer to access it.	20:26
@scrottie	go work for PlainBlack. I have Safari, Firefox, Chrome, a few MSIEs, Mosaic, lynx, w3m, links and several others installed.	20:27
SDuensin	I'm already ssh'ed out to chat. May as well.	20:27
SDuensin	PlainBlack tried to hire me. Sadly, I can't survive on the starting salary. :-(	20:28
@preaction	that's not that many, really. you need e-mail accounts with all major webmail providers, and eudora and thunderbird and evolution	20:28
@scrottie	I know. I love joining a good nagfest.	20:28
SDuensin	IE7 reports no problems loading the script. Makes debugging even MORE FUN!	20:28
@scrottie	I think I've got a Seamonkey laying around somewhere...	20:28
@preaction	i maintain there was precious little nagging before THAT GUY showed up	20:28
@scrottie	Konq.	20:28
@scrottie	here's what we should do for a UI for WebGUI 9: http://trollingwithclass.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/simonextreme2.png	20:30
+perlDreamer	WebGUI 9 is going to be all command-line	20:31
SDuensin	YEEEEEEEEES!	20:31
@preaction	including viewing	20:38
@preaction	people will need to point their gopher client to gopher://example.com	20:38
SDuensin	GOPHER!	20:38
@preaction	we may also support telnet	20:38
@scrottie	gopher rocks. been meanign to add gopher support to Continuity for ages.	20:38
@preaction	perlDreamer: got a minute?	20:53
+perlDreamer	yeah	20:53
+perlDreamer	it's better than doing CSS debugging :)	20:53
@preaction	what process did you use to merge 7.10 and 8? is it documented somewhere i can take a look?	20:53
+perlDreamer	It's a very simple process, and it's not documented	20:54
@preaction	i've got 11 releases worth of 7.10 to merge, which should be fun considering all the changes made	20:54
+perlDreamer	if you try to merge more than 1 subversion at a time you'll kill yourself	20:54
+perlDreamer	what I did was do a merge after each 7.10 release	20:54
+perlDreamer	then, resolve all conflicts	20:54
+perlDreamer	run t/00_compile.t to make sure it's clean	20:54
@preaction	re-run the tests	20:54
+perlDreamer	then, run the whole suite until it's clean	20:54
+perlDreamer	then, merge the next sub-point	20:55
@preaction	but merge like: git checkout 8; git merge v7.10.5?	20:55
@preaction	or rebase?	20:55
+perlDreamer	due to ignorance, I always rebased, and I would pick a specific commit each time	20:55
* perlDreamer knows no other way to merge		20:56
@preaction	i'll try git rebase v7.10.5 and see what happens	20:56
@preaction	tags should define a commit, in theory	20:56
+perlDreamer	there will be conflict and woe but be stalwardt in the face of merging	20:56
@preaction	my sheild is sturdy and my sword is strong!	20:56
* perlDreamer passes preaction a bow and arrow for long range combat		20:57
+perlDreamer	and a set of Gauntlets of Ogre Power	20:57
* preaction is off to save Princess Zelda		20:57
+perlDreamer	You have to merge if you have the urge	20:57
+perlDreamer	or, if you want to release 8.0 as an early beta	20:58
@preaction	alpha, sure	20:58
@preaction	i have consulted the mighty wizard of Knop and he says I should just merge to v7.10.15 in one go	21:02
+perlDreamer	I don't often argue with Lord Knop, but after trying that for several weeks I can tell you which one left me with more hair on my head	21:03
+perlDreamer	but, do as you wish	21:03
@scrottie	yes, Lord Knop would win the remaining hair battle, fo' sho'.	21:04
@preaction	i have just found the awesome that is vim's "fugitive" plugin and vim's diff support. i merged, it had conflicts, I use :Gdiff and it shows me each original copy and the conflicted copy and i get to choose	21:16
+perlDreamer	blogggin?	21:16
+perlDreamer	http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2975	21:18
@preaction	maybe, it seems a goodly choice	21:18
@preaction	yes, that	21:18
@preaction	now i just have to show my buffer number so i can use diffget and diffput	21:19
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rdd6a297 / www/extras/admin/toolbar.js : make the admin view [Edit] controls right-click-able so I can continue to right-click-open-in-new-tab them. - http://bit.ly/l31UPd	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r2d31f72 / (share/site.psgi t/PSGI/ConfigMiddleware.t):	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: PSGI entry points (#11632) -- add a plackMiddleware section to the config file; modify share/site.psgi to load from it.	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: This is minimal in implementation right now in that there's no support for passing args, which would generally be objects	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: mixed with strings, to the middlewares being added, as would be necessary if the .psgi files were to be largely migrated	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: to the config files. I agree that it's important that upgrade scripts be able to add middleware (probably custom ones	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: that know how to get the session from %$env) but I'm not convinced of the utility of moving much logic out of	21:40
CIA-70	webgui: share/site.psgi. - http://bit.ly/kVdp3d	21:40
+perlDreamer	lunch time :D	21:43
* scrottie ate all of the left over curry for breakfast =(		21:44
@scrottie	so, oatmeal for lunch.	21:44
@preaction	scrottie: changing WebGUI::Content::* into middlewares?	21:56
@scrottie	at the moment? nope. guess that's the next step on that last ticket.	21:59
@scrottie	seems like that would create a merge disaster.	21:59
@scrottie	hrm, maybe I can wrap for them for the time being.	22:02
@preaction	no worries, having a way to migrate is the first API establishment step	22:02
@preaction	migration can take time	22:02
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@scrottie	if all of the content handlers get moved to middlewarehood, then execution never goes through WebGUI.pm. the top level of WebGUI.pm. that skips header generation, cleaning up session after streamed responses, error catching	22:08
@scrottie	also it means that each and every stupid content handler appears on the stack in an error stack trace, even if it decided not to run.	22:09
@scrottie	I wonder if it wouldn't be better to migrate some of these on a case by case basis rather than trying to migrate them for the sake of it.	22:10
@scrottie	or I suppose all of the stuff that WebGUI.pm does could be itself moved to a middleware.	22:11
@scrottie	really, this isn't a bad design at all, the way it is now. I'd be more inclined to go back to what I was doing yesterday... getting async database going inside of corona.	22:12
@scrottie	thoughts welcome. guess I'll comment on the ticket though.	22:12
Haarg	seems like converting them to plack apps would make more sense than middleware	22:12
@scrottie	yeah. they don't get mounted on a specific URL, and having a bunch of apps be stand-alone when they're useless by themselves also seems silly.	22:13
@scrottie	I can think of a lot more interesting ways to make WebGUI less monolithic.	22:13
Haarg	i guess you are right about the url thing. i'd think main motivation for converting them would be to reduce the number of redundant plugin points.	22:19
Haarg	been a while since i thought about it. not sure how important it is. i think the config file part was probably the most important part.	22:20
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@scrottie	I could imagine this being factored different so that the admin was a different "app" from WebGUI itself, one that banged a lot of JSON accessors to do its work but otherwise stood alone.	22:22
@scrottie	that would also further the cause of the gopher and telnet interfaces.	22:24
Haarg	rereading the ticket it doesn't really say why we were deciding to move everything to middleware. some of them it certainly makes sense to do that with, but others it probably doesn't matter.	22:25
@scrottie	my reply there was just a copy of my remark here, but I might have misunderstood preaction's question.	22:26
@scrottie	hrm, I don't imagine setNoHeader being much use in a non-CGI environment.	22:27
@scrottie	I don't think this can be supported.	22:27
@preaction	i was just looking for info, it has unfortunately been a while since i've perused the 8 ticket list as well. perhaps i should revisit and comment on them again	22:28
@scrottie	unless the goal is just to keep two headers from being sent...?	22:28
@scrottie	but I don't see any examples of it being used in the main codebase	22:28
Haarg	that's what it looks like scrottie	22:28
Haarg	heh, i was looking at the content handlers for which ones would work better as middleware. first example i thought of was Maintenance. turns out it was already converted but the old one still exists for some reason.	22:32
@scrottie	maybe people want to put the site into maintenance mode while working on the maintenance page.	22:33
Haarg	the combination of moose and plack does make stack traces really terrible	22:41
@scrottie	yeah.	22:42
* scrottie sighs		22:42
@scrottie	with all of the magic going on in Moose, why aren't they tail-calling that away or something?	22:42
@scrottie	optional verbosity setting...?	22:43
@preaction	i forgot all the wacky stuff we added to the 7.10 series	22:54
@preaction	dashlets, weird search entries, map stuff, template preview	22:55
@scrottie	what, preview, not live view? weak.	22:56
@preaction	that's what i said, but it was Requested	22:56
+perlDreamer	scrottie, the Moose people take bad hits for Moose's speed. Maybe the tail-calling would slow it down?	23:30
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cj	hey folks	00:21
Haarg	greetings	00:21
Haarg	tail calling would speed it up if anything. and runtime speed isn't really a problem with Moose. main issue is startup speed.	00:22
cj	so, I'm looking for a CRM type of thing that allows me to sell and maintain subscription services + e-mail customers their invoices + generate PDFs for me to print and mail for those customers who don't use computers :)	00:23
cj	I expect webgui would probably be a fine choice for this type of thing, eh?	00:23
@preaction	it depends on how intimate you want to get with WebGUI's Way Of Doing Things, but yes	00:24
@preaction	www.thegamecrafter.com <- does almost exactly what you mentioned	00:24
cj	preaction: I've spent a few months digging around in the code, so I'm a little familiar now. If it starts being useful then I may have moneys to throw at you and scrottie to do it for me :)	00:24
@preaction	the generate PDFs thing doesn't happen though, that part you'd have to create	00:25
cj	alright. I could probably cobble something together.	00:25
@preaction	and i've looked into HTML -> PDF converters, they universally suck. you'd be better off creating a way for WebGUI to display docbook or whatever format you would want to use that could then be made into PDFs	00:25
cj	so, I'm spinning up a xen VM. The dom0's only got 2G and I've allocated about 1G of that already. I'm going to put a big-ip in front of it to offload the ssl bits and do caching. I'll run the mysql db on a different machine, too. Do you think I could run webgui in 512M, provided I strip out the features I don't need?	00:27
@preaction	surely	00:28
@preaction	1-2G is "as configured in the WRE with OS and leeway factored in"	00:28
cj	good to hear. I'll get things spun up, then.	00:29
@preaction	we're running about 80-90M per apache fork though	00:29
cj	alright. I've got a bit of flexibility, and if it starts paying for itself, I should be able to migrate it to its own iron	00:31
cj	what size disk should I allocate?	00:32
@preaction	WebGUI itself is only 20M, WRE 80M, so whatever you need to keep those PDFs around	00:35
@preaction	hopefully by the time it starts paying for itself you can upgrade to 8, which has even more flexibility	00:36
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@preaction	merge from 7.10.4 - 7.10.15 done! running test	00:52
+perlDreamer	Good job, preaction!	01:01
@scrottie	perl -p -i -e 's{http->setCacheControl}{response->setCacheControl}' `ack -l 'http->setCacheControl'` # this is going to bite me in the ass for sure	01:05
+perlDreamer	scrottie, just make sure it's an atomic commit, and it can be quickly fixed	01:11
+perlDreamer	also, save some finger typing and use the -pi switch instead of -p -i	01:11
@preaction	am i supposed to override update() anymore? or write()? or what should I do?	01:23
@scrottie	hmm?	01:24
@preaction	collaboration has a new feature to update subscriber list when the viewing permissions have changed. it was implemented by overriding WebGUI::Asset->update(), but that doesn't work anymore	01:25
@preaction	i think i have to do around 'groupIdView' => sub {...} instead	01:26
@scrottie	yech.	01:30
@scrottie	couldn't update() be overridden in a more specific fashion? inject a base class in a subclass somewhere or something...?	01:31
@preaction	not sure, moose bitches about update() already existing (probably the role composed one in)	01:32
@preaction	so most likely if i did around update it would work	01:32
@preaction	but groupIdView is the only value I care about	01:32
@preaction	crap. forgot about the upgrade path...	01:33
Haarg	seems like that should be a trigger on groupIdView, although there is some oddness with triggers and object init iirc	01:33
@scrottie	maybe Asset::update should do something ... for my $k ( keys %$hashref ) { $self->can("update_$k")->( $hashref->{$v} ) if $self->can("update_$k") }	01:34
@scrottie	or that.	01:34
@preaction	but how do I add a trigger? the property is defined in WebGUI::Asset, not WebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Collaboration	01:34
Haarg	that's the entire point of having individual accessors. you can just add triggers or other behaviors to them without messing with update	01:34
@preaction	does has '+groupIdView' ?	01:35
@preaction	work	01:35
@preaction	if it doesn't it should, so i'll check	01:36
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+perlDreamer	it won't work, because it's wg8 specific	01:51
+perlDreamer	you can emulate a trigger with around, or after	01:52
+perlDreamer	either one would work	01:52
+perlDreamer	or you can do what I did with the file permissions stuff, and provide a generic empty trigger and override that in various Asset classes	01:52
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@scrottie	newByDymamicClass is gone? but stuff still uses it...?	02:58
* scrottie reads git log. okay.		02:59
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+perlDreamer	newById :)	04:13
@scrottie	yeah. after I'm done testing my breakage, I'll fix that breakage... there are still a few newByDynamicClass floating around... perhaps from merges.	04:15
+perlDreamer	most likely from merges	04:15
+perlDreamer	wouldn't it be cool if you could make a git hook that updated those things automatically during a merge?	04:19
@scrottie	hrm. could do an Acme::CodePolice type thing but instead of deleting your project, it fixes it.	04:21
@scrottie	also, strong typing was invested for this reason.	04:30
+perlDreamer	no	04:33
@scrottie	pretty please?	04:33
+perlDreamer	strong typing was infested because it make it hard to do a+1	04:33
+perlDreamer	which everyone knows should be b	04:34
@scrottie	I thought you liked stricture in all of its various forms.	04:34
+perlDreamer	perldreamerian strictures have more to do with testing than variable typing	04:34
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@scrottie	pedantic might have been a better word.	05:03
jimX11	Is Template Toolkit in WebGUI modified in some way to only allow hash references to be passed and not arrays? I'm having trouble passing something like this {foo=>[1,2,3]}	05:16
jimX11	but {foo => { bar => baz}} works. And in the the {foo=>[1,2,3]} case, I don't even process the variable in the template, I just pass it.	05:17
@scrottie	no idea...	05:17
+perlDreamer	jimX11, the data structure is originally based on HTML::Template	05:17
@scrottie	re: modified, WebGUI doesn't come with a copy of Template Toolkit but instead uses the standard CPAN distro of it	05:18
+perlDreamer	so you can have loops of data	05:18
+perlDreamer	but the "data" is hashes	05:18
+perlDreamer	so, {foo => {bar => baz}} is fine	05:18
+perlDreamer	but not the other	05:18
+perlDreamer	unless you foo => [ {bar => baz}, {buz => biz}] etc	05:19
jimX11	ok	05:19
@preaction	arrays for TT templates work fine, see WebGUI::Asset::Template::Parser->downgrade	05:19
@preaction	but they only work in TT templates, not H::T or H::T::E	05:20
+perlDreamer	client specific version of wG?	05:20
jimX11	I see no downgrade method in WebGUI::Asset::Template::Parser	05:23
@preaction	it's in the 7.10 series	05:23
jimX11	Oh, I'm so close. I'm using 7.9.14.	05:24
jimX11	So in 7.9.14 I gotta use the key => key shuffle, then?	05:25
@preaction	map { name => $_ } @values or something yeah	05:29
jimX11	ok.	05:29
jimX11	Yea. Also I'll have to throw in something to preserve the order too, I guess.	05:31
@preaction	H::T takes an arrayref of hashrefs for loops	05:32
@preaction	which is ordered	05:32
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+perlDreamer	I'd like to order a pizza with hash and glob refs, please	05:41
+perlDreamer	extra cheese	05:41
@scrottie	waiter, is this a stash in hash and glob pizza!?	05:45
jimX11	So a db call returning [ [22,44,66],[10,20,30]] becomes what?	05:45
@scrottie	in my	05:45
jimX11	becomes this: ( ( {22=>22}, {44=>44}, {66=>66}), ( {10 => 10},{20=>20},{30=>30}))	05:47
+perlDreamer	that wouldn't be very useful	05:47
+perlDreamer	think about returning arrays of hashrefs intead of arrays of arrays	05:47
+perlDreamer	[ { col1 => 22, col2 => 44, col3 => 66},{col1 => 10, col2 => 20, col3 => 30}]	05:48
jimX11	and sort on the keys to get the order back.	05:48
+perlDreamer	sure	05:49
jimX11	So how am I using TT2 but needing H:T syntax? Does TT2 go through H:T in WebGUI?	05:50
+perlDreamer	it all goes through the same template parsing system	05:53
+perlDreamer	so, the limitations of one apply to all	05:53
@preaction	which is why downgrade exists in 7.10, to allow the features of TT to be used without breaking H::T completely	05:54
jimX11	ok	05:54
jimX11	thanks	05:54
+perlDreamer	preaction, just to remind me, can you say something like, 'If we weren't pressed for time we'd rip out H::T by the roots and replace it.'?	05:54
@preaction	we'd rip out H::T but i'm not sure getting rid of the template plugin point is a good idea. maybe different Template assets for different parsers instead...	05:56
@preaction	TT is faster than H::T, but slower than others if you don't need all the features TT provides	05:56
@preaction	and who knows what tomorrow will bring?	05:56
+perlDreamer	According to Google, tomorrow will bring Toy Story 3	05:57
+perlDreamer	http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=what+will+tomorrow+bring%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8	06:01
jimX11	Which is more consistent, turning this [ [22,44,66],[10,20,30]] into this [ { col1 => 22, col2 => 44, col3 => 66},{col1 => 10, col2 => 20, col3 => 30}] or	06:08
jimX11	{c1 => { c1 => 22, c2 => 44, c3 => 66}, c2 => {col1 => 10, col2 => 20, col3 => 30}}	06:09
+perlDreamer	the first	06:09
jimX11	k	06:09
* perlDreamer has to bake some bread now, I'll be back on tomorrow		06:10
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+BartJol	just out of interest, are there plans to rewrite the map asset for openstreet maps?	16:15
SDuensin	Welcome to Wednesday. That is all.	16:46
@preaction	BartJol: no, but all the information should be in the template. you might be able to create one	17:35
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CIA-70	webgui: Paul Driver master * r6a01296 / (5 files in 5 dirs): rfe #12127: AssetProperty macro - http://bit.ly/ka3cTb	17:44
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@khenn	hey	18:12
@khenn	does anyone remember the name of the site that offers free website styles?	18:12
@khenn	I think WG uses a few in the startup script	18:12
+perlDreamer	oswd.org?	18:15
@khenn	perhpas	18:15
@khenn	thanks pd	18:15
@khenn	I'll check that out	18:15
+perlDreamer	most of the other designs came from the awesome Ning	18:22
+BartJol	yeah, after that I had too much karma to spend	18:36
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CIA-70	webgui: Rory Zweistra master * r7beec1d / lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm : Fixed typo that prevented to get the company name from the settings table - http://bit.ly/jnRqnK	19:44
CIA-70	webgui: Graham Knop master * r458b1a1 / lib/WebGUI/Mail/Send.pm :	19:44
CIA-70	webgui: Merge pull request #10 from roryzweistra/master	19:44
CIA-70	webgui: Fixed typo in Send.pm - http://bit.ly/mlAdjQ	19:44
@preaction	did the exportRelatedAssets go into 7.10.15? i'm merging 8 and i've got a test that's failing, but I can't find the code that would make it pass	20:16
@preaction	it's not in the merge, and it's not in the 7.10.15 tarball i downloaded	20:16
+perlDreamer	it's in there	20:18
+perlDreamer	"exportGetRelatedAssetIds"	20:18
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@preaction	wtf. i'm looking right at the WebGUI.pm released as 7.10.15 and it is not here	20:19
@preaction	in the StoryArchive asset?	20:19
+perlDreamer	Asset/Story	20:20
+perlDreamer	Story exports related topics	20:20
+perlDreamer	I think that's how it was used	20:20
+perlDreamer	ack -l exportGetRelatedAssetIds	20:20
@preaction	ah, maybe that's why	20:20
@preaction	found it. new -> newById	20:22
+perlDreamer	also newByDynamicClass -> newById	20:32
+perlDreamer	scrottie and I chatted about that last night	20:32
* scrottie nods		20:32
+perlDreamer	and about all we agreed upon was that I was pedantic	20:32
@scrottie	there are a few newByDyanmicClass calls floating around in there again but I'm yak shaving at the moment	20:33
@scrottie	hrm. at every moment?	20:33
+perlDreamer	I'm not sure, but possibly	20:33
+perlDreamer	here, for a second, I'll switch from pedantic to annoyed and irritable	20:34
@scrottie	I'm glad we can agree on irritable.	20:35
@preaction	i love when errors get thrown but are completely blank!	20:35
@scrottie	at least we have that in common.	20:35
+perlDreamer	If one is writing code, and you feel the need to reimplement Test::Simple in your own private lingo, then you're just making it more difficult for people to contribute to your test	20:35
+perlDreamer	yeah, I don't like me when I'm irritable, I'll stick with pedantic	20:39
@preaction	i also love when your phone stops delivering calls and text messages but is otherwise completely operational, and only a restart fixes it	20:44
@preaction	oh look, i got paged a couple times!	20:45
@scrottie	perl needs a \).	20:45
@scrottie	WebGUI 9 is going to use autodie.	21:03
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@scrottie	it's not that I want to work on Plack stuff, but I keep stepping in it...	21:04
CIA-70	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rd2c8670 / (lib/WebGUI/Test.pm t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t): (log message trimmed)	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: Introduce WebGUI::Test::getPage2, similar to WebGUI::Test::getPage, that makes	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: requests using Plack::Test and attempts to maintain getPage's API.	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: Change three tests in t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t to use this instead.	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: Backstory:	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: Forthcoming WebGUI::Session::HTTP, ::Request, ::Responses mucking abouts broke	21:05
CIA-70	webgui: some tests that use WebGUI::Test::getPage; in the case of t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t,	21:05
@preaction	oh crap, i could've saved you time	21:06
+perlDreamer	getPage* needs to die	21:06
@preaction	scrottie: there's WebGUI::Test::Mechanize now	21:06
* scrottie grunts		21:08
@scrottie	okay, I'll try to sort that out	21:08
@scrottie	my inclination is to make getPage2 a wrapper around this with a simplified interface to make it easier to convert tests (which I expect to find a lot more of failing now)... but this code is kinda gluey-hand-wavey...	21:13
@scrottie	I'm jumping through hoops to set the wgSession cookie and plug a session for it into the database for the correct user... this might be doing that but I can't tell... is it? should I move that over?	21:13
@scrottie	I could test it and see I suppose...	21:13
+perlDreamer	that's what WebGUI::Test::Mechanize will do for you	21:14
@scrottie	it takes a userId. hmm.	21:14
@scrottie	no, this should work. the WebGUI::Middleware::Session layer isn't used in favor of just setting up session here. cool.	21:15
mducharme-work	afternoon	21:21
@scrottie	heya mducharme-work	21:21
mducharme-work	question - how can I make userlist visible to visitors?	21:21
@scrottie	do you want an answer optimized for quickness of implementation or niceness of result?	21:21
@scrottie	a SQLReport could pull from the users table.	21:22
mducharme-work	I am using the user list wobject and it works for authenticated users but displays nothing for visitors	21:22
mducharme-work	the ideal thing would be to have an LDAPReport that could pull directly from LDAP but there is no such thing	21:23
@scrottie	visitors are all essentially the same user, so there isn't much to display...	21:23
mducharme-work	you do not understand	21:23
mducharme-work	we do not give phone numbers for our offices on our website	21:24
mducharme-work	because we have multiple offices	21:24
mducharme-work	instead we rely on the corporate phone directory on our website for people to know what number to call to get someone	21:24
mducharme-work	novell discontinued their web based corporate phone directory product	21:24
mducharme-work	which we used to have running in an iframe in webgui	21:24
mducharme-work	I need for someone going to our company's website to see a listing of staff	21:25
mducharme-work	and their phone numbers	21:25
mducharme-work	without having to log in	21:25
mducharme-work	http://www.ktc.ca/home/about-us/staff-directory	21:25
mducharme-work	that's what it looks like right now	21:25
@scrottie	okay, can't this user list wobject be set viable by 'Visitor'?	21:25
mducharme-work	which doesn't work	21:25
mducharme-work	or would you say that that is acceptable?	21:25
mducharme-work	I don't think it's the wobject itself	21:26
@scrottie	I don't see anything acceptable in a typical day ;)	21:26
@scrottie	is this a bug or a configuration matter?	21:26
@scrottie	I'd have to dig into the code to learn more, but I wonder if user profiles are hidden or the like.	21:27
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work, profile information is never shown to the user Visitor.	21:28
+perlDreamer	the UserList wobject may be able to override that, maybe not	21:29
+perlDreamer	Try the Override Public Profile option, it may do the trick	21:29
+perlDreamer	otherwise, you can build a SQL Report to mine the userProfileData table directly	21:30
mducharme-work	ok	21:31
mducharme-work	can the person still open the users profile and view their photo etc	21:31
+perlDreamer	no	21:31
mducharme-work	with the sqlreport gadget	21:31
+perlDreamer	no, but you can list the phone number	21:31
+perlDreamer	it's a privacy issue, where you don't want bots being able to mine your site for confidential information	21:32
+perlDreamer	email address, physical addresses, skype contacts, phone numbers, etc	21:32
mducharme-work	I understand that	21:32
mducharme-work	but this is making us manually have to create a new phone list	21:32
mducharme-work	when we already have one in ldap	21:32
mducharme-work	and we already have one in webgui through ldap	21:32
mducharme-work	it's just stupid	21:33
mducharme-work	oh and we have a third one in the form of a word document	21:33
+perlDreamer	you could modify the core to allow visitor to see profile information	21:33
+perlDreamer	and hand maintain that whenever you upgrade	21:33
@scrottie	SQLReport that does update userSession set userId='someNonVisitorGuestUser' where sessionId = ?, and JavaScript that picks out the sessionId and hits that "report"...?	21:33
@scrottie	kludges. get yer kludges. we got kludges. right here.	21:34
+perlDreamer	it'd be cleaner to put in a feature/setting that would allow Visitor to see user profiles	21:34
@scrottie	yeah.	21:34
+perlDreamer	because in companies I guess you want your information out there	21:34
@scrottie	more users should be doing git pull --rebase to upgrade.	21:34
@scrottie	heck, I'd really like to see an auto-update feature, and that would be one way to implement it. stick the site in maint mode, git pull, run upgrades, take it out of maint mode, all from a workflow task.	21:35
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@scrottie	stick git in the WRE.	21:35
@scrottie	unclean merge? reset back to where they were before and send an "oops, sorry" email.	21:36
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work: the stuff that would need to be changed is in WebGUI::User, sub profileIsViewable	21:37
mducharme-work	ok	21:38
+perlDreamer	I'd estimate that adding a setting to do that, with i18n and testing and everything else required to go into the core would take several hours to do	21:40
mducharme-work	that's when you know what you're doing of course	21:40
@scrottie	perlDreamer, preaction, thoughts on the Want module?	21:40
+perlDreamer	scrottie, never heard of it	21:41
+perlDreamer	mducharme-work, there are lots of people who you could contract to do it, including Plain Black	21:41
@scrottie	or you could probably guess / get suggestions at which few lines to comment out in there =)	21:41
+perlDreamer	iirc, mducharme-work does know perl	21:42
mducharme-work	I used to code perl a long time ago	21:42
mducharme-work	I've probably forgotten almost everything	21:42
@scrottie	you can probably still read it, even as it's spoken today.	21:43
mducharme-work	I also wonder why you developed your own help desk plugin for webgui	21:44
@scrottie	was there another WebGUI helpdesk plugin floating around already...?	21:44
+perlDreamer	yeah, we wonder why we did that too, sometimes	21:45
mducharme-work	no, but there are some really good perl-based help desk systems	21:45
mducharme-work	we use OTRS for instance	21:45
@scrottie	ah. often the question is integration is a larger one than that of "really good".	21:45
mducharme-work	that doesn't do much good if the help desk is a tinkertoy in comparison	21:46
@scrottie	if someone needs a really good help desk, they probably won't care so much about integration, or else they'll be happy to do all of the work involved in integrating it.	21:46
@scrottie	depends. sometimes lots of integrated tinker toys is just what people want.	21:46
@scrottie	easily integrated.	21:46
mducharme-work	there isn't all that much integration work involved in OTRS actually	21:47
@scrottie	and if they want integrates really good stuff, that's hard to do. people charge a lot of money doing that work all of the time in IT.	21:47
@scrottie	we're happy to integrate WebGUI with really nice products.	21:47
mducharme-work	to what extent is the webgui help desk really integrated into other webgui components?	21:47
+perlDreamer	not at all	21:48
+perlDreamer	it uses WebGUI users and Groups	21:48
+perlDreamer	a workflow activity	21:48
@scrottie	frodwidth's plack-mounted-assets automatically integrate almost any Plack app into WebGUI =)	21:48
+perlDreamer	and some templates	21:48
@scrottie	it's integrated in the sense that site admins can click a few things and add it at a certain location to the site.	21:48
@scrottie	I imagine there has been some work done here, but reverse-proxying in other apps over HTTP has potential, too.	21:50
@scrottie	as it is, there aren't many feature requests posted for integrating with other things. perhaps this is something people want and don't realize they want. perhaps time should be spent finding nice apps to integrate and integrating with them. that sort of thing tends to have a hellish maintenance obligation though.	21:55
@scrottie	"Unable to find session cookie! at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Test/Mechanize.pm line 81." hrm.	21:59
@scrottie	fixing this as best as I can	22:12
mducharme-work	the users and groups thing is easy enough to do with otrs, it can plug into any sql authentication source with any schema pretty much	22:12
@scrottie	patches welcome.	22:12
mducharme-work	it can plug into multiple simultaneous auth sources as well	22:12
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mducharme-work	the hard part is the UI integration	22:13
@scrottie	er, I mean, perhaps PlainBlack shouldn't have written their help desk. dunno. you may be right. no idea.	22:13
mducharme-work	it would be nice if there was a way of using JSR portlets as wobjects	22:18
@scrottie	do-able. Inline::Java is an amazing piece of technology.	22:18
mducharme-work	that would give a much greater range of integrations for webgui.. but you'd need some sort of shim to tomcat to accomplish that	22:18
mducharme-work	ahh	22:18
@scrottie	yeah. process size would go up a lot.	22:18
mducharme-work	b/c a lot of the time you are having to reinvent the wheel, when there is already a JSR portlet that does something	22:19
@scrottie	generally when there are two camps, the camps don't envy what the other camp has... otherwise there wouldn't be two camps.	22:20
@scrottie	for various reasons, Java tends to be expensive to deploy.	22:21
@scrottie	heck, for 8, we're optimizing away Apache as a simplification/optimization.	22:21
@scrottie	I'm all for building bridges, but the efforts aren't purely redundant.	22:22
@scrottie	if anything, other Perl CMSes are redundant with WebGUI ;)	22:23
@preaction	RT and Bugzilla exist. we could have integrated those via auth plugins or somesuch	22:33
mducharme-work	preaction - I was suggesting OTRS because it is perl as well and is more full featured for help desks than RT actually.. bugzilla is still best from a software development angle	22:55
mducharme-work	our help desk used to use RT but we moved off it due to the lack of features	22:55
@preaction	a plack app using the plack app wobject could take advantage of webgui's global site search even	22:56
+perlDreamer	the Plack app wobject maps indexContent in the low-lying plack app? that is cool!	22:58
@preaction	no, you'd have to map it yourself, but it could be done	22:58
mducharme-work	we would love to have OTRS integrated into our webgui	22:58
mducharme-work	at the moment we just do an inframe in webgui, we do not have integrated auth then, but it's the same username/password because they both use the same LDAP source	22:59
mducharme-work	er iframe	22:59
@preaction	auth plugins aren't too bad and getting better	22:59
@scrottie	wait, I thought you said that it is really easy to integrate them, and OTRS can do arbitrary queries against an arbitrary database	22:59
mducharme-work	yes	23:00
@scrottie	or maybe I'm missing what else exactly should be integrated...	23:01
@scrottie	I guess that goes back to the reverse proxying arbitrary HTTP thing	23:01
mducharme-work	SSO	23:01
mducharme-work	we have both using the same login	23:01
mducharme-work	but single sign on is a different story	23:01
mducharme-work	the credentials do not get passed along	23:01
@preaction	make the WebGUI auth set both cookies	23:02
@scrottie	its cookie might correspond to something in its databsae. might have to web scrape the login form there.	23:03
@preaction	i think i like our helpdesk v2 better though. OTRS seems like a great ticketing system, but we need more of a project management system (or to get out of that game entirely)	23:03
@preaction	OTRS is very bold. much orange and brightness...	23:03
@scrottie	the more work you do, the more work you find you still need to do. keeping things simple on purpose is often a great strategy. text editors are equally good at about all things.	23:04
@scrottie	trying to make the bug board better at project management or bugs or anything would make it worse at the others unless a lot of work went in contrary.	23:04
@scrottie	sometimes simple is good.	23:04
@scrottie	as it is, people can use it for all sorts of silly things not related to any of those tasks.	23:04
@preaction	of course. i'd prefer a dead-simple ticket tracker and a bigger app that read that tracker's data to figure stuff out	23:04
@preaction	which is the plan i hope	23:05
@preaction	right now we don't have any talking between the PMS and the helpdesk, which necessitates copying data between them manually	23:05
@preaction	and our PMS is rather haphazard as well. timetracker as a standalone with super sekrit functions if it's "linked" to a PMS system	23:06
mducharme-work	OTRS does project management sorta	23:06
mducharme-work	in the ITSM version	23:06
@preaction	ah, the demo i tried didn't make it very obvious	23:06
mducharme-work	the change management system can be used for projects	23:06
@scrottie	datasharing between "mounted" apps that you're just proxying for/embedding/authenticating against/for gets even nastier.	23:06
mducharme-work	you create work orders, create dependencies between them	23:07
@scrottie	as soon as people have SSO, then they want data workflows.	23:07
mducharme-work	it displays a gantt chart type thing	23:07
mducharme-work	most of the features in OTRS only appear when you install the ITSM add on	23:07
mducharme-work	they really should put the ITSM stuff into the core, IMO	23:07
@scrottie	embedding a copy of an entire other project is a bit of a challenge. you have to keep pulling changes and merging those with your local changes which envariably happen.	23:08
mducharme-work	even if you don't run an ITIL shop it still adds a lot of features into the core	23:08
@scrottie	I argue for a smaller WebGUI core, personally.	23:08
mducharme-work	scrottie you misunderstand	23:09
mducharme-work	I mean OTRS should integrate the ITSM add on into the OTRS core	23:09
@scrottie	again?	23:09
@scrottie	oh	23:09
mducharme-work	b/c people install OTRS by itself and that only has about 1/3 the features of the ITSM version, so it doesn't give a good idea of what it can do	23:09
@scrottie	A new indie Atari Jaguar game just came out! I need to find my BJL cable and a machine with a parallel port and load that sucker up.	23:10
mducharme-work	the OTRS core by itself is not that much better than RT at basic help desk, it's only when you go to ITSM that the features significantly increase	23:10
@preaction	that sucks. i'm trying to get rid of our project manager, but I can't unless we have something else to use	23:10
@preaction	and if the OTRS demo doesn't include ITSM, then they can't know if it's good	23:11
mducharme-work	brb have to reboot	23:17
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@preaction	1 day to do the merge. 1 day to fix the tests.	23:27
fallout	1 ring to rule them all?	23:27
@scrottie	target is still moving.	23:27
@scrottie	CIA left before I unleashed the spam.	23:27
@preaction	gotta do a full test run before i can consider this "done" before i can pull your changes	23:28
* scrottie nods		23:28
@scrottie	probably won't happen right now but I'm thinking about modifying the text that gets output in tests to not include assetIds, date stamps, and things like that	23:28
@scrottie	details that change every time bog down trying to diff output from two test runs	23:29
@scrottie	comments welcome / consider yourselves warned	23:29
@preaction	the test description text? sounds a good idea	23:30
@scrottie	yeah, test description text.	23:31
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* scrottie waves to pbcj		00:11
@pbcj	sup sup	00:11
@scrottie	how goes stuff?	00:11
@pbcj	goingly =)	00:11
@scrottie	playing with WebGUI 8.	00:11
@scrottie	yay, yay.	00:11
@pbcj	I saw the chatter	00:11
@scrottie	I keep getting stucked into this testing/Plack vortex.	00:12
@pbcj	I all of a sudden feel like the only kid on the block without a new bike	00:12
@scrottie	sucked	00:12
@scrottie	hrm. it must have been 8 or 10 months since I got to. so, feel bad, but not alone.	00:13
@pbcj	so, how does static template vars from config strike the room?	00:15
@pbcj	preaction: I'm looking at you	00:15
@scrottie	hmm?	00:16
@pbcj	I'm working on branding for a few clients, I'd like to have something configurable that gets passed into the templates	00:17
@pbcj	this would support branching using TT's INCLUDE directive: http://template-toolkit.org/docs/manual/Directives.html#section_INCLUDE	00:17
@preaction	but afaik webgui's use of TT doesn't work well w/ include	00:18
@preaction	can't include assets, of course, and i'm not sure where files would get included from	00:18
@preaction	i'd love to create a provider that would allow you to include assets, but i haven't found anyone to do it yet	00:18
@preaction	and if you have INCLUDE working, you don't need anything in the config file, no?	00:21
+perlDreamer	all righty, I have a test that exposes the Serializer bug and a patch to fix it	00:22
+perlDreamer	now, time to wade through RT	00:22
@pbcj	well, I'd still prefer have one template to package, rather than one that needs only a small customization when spawning a newly branded site	00:22
@pbcj	I haven't tested include yet, I came here first	00:23
@pbcj	and now I'm discouraged =(	00:23
@preaction	i'm surprised there aren't Setting or Config macros	00:23
@pbcj	indeed	00:24
@scrottie	often programming is the art of quickly exhuasting non-workable solutions.	00:24
+perlDreamer	wouldn't macros happen too late?	00:24
@preaction	too late for what?	00:24
@pbcj	macros are isolated, so it doesn't matter	00:24
@pbcj	template vars don't get passed in automagically	00:24
+perlDreamer	iirc, macros get evaluated after the template gets parsed	00:25
+perlDreamer	so if you wanted to macro in something, it's too late to use it in the template eval stage	00:25
@scrottie	frodwidth was playing with some hackery that found every variable on the stack and passed them in.	00:25
+perlDreamer	in 7	00:25
@scrottie	er, frodwith	00:26
@pbcj	as long as the vars are still around, the timing of it doesn't matter, I think	00:26
@preaction	they're not vars though, that's the difference between vars and macros	00:26
Haarg	it would be pretty easy to extend the template toolkit usage to allow macros to be called by templates directly	00:26
@preaction	macros happen last, after templates are parsed	00:26
@preaction	and yes, there's what graham said	00:26
@preaction	and barring that, it'd be possible to provide TT with read-only bits of the session	00:27
@preaction	but the current method we would have to do it would be to add proper variables in either Asset::Template->process or Asset->processTemplate	00:28
@pbcj	I was more thinking that processTemplate could stick the current template vars into a collection that macro process could have access to	00:28
@preaction	huh?	00:29
@preaction	if you want macros to be parsed at the same time as the templates, the best way would be for TT to execute the macro directly with some function we give it	00:29
@pbcj	right, the reason I can't use something like ^ProcessTemplate(..); is because the template vars aren't available in the macro, otherwise, if they were, the macro could just call processTemplate(.., thoseVars)	00:30
@preaction	i don't know what you mean	00:31
@preaction	you wanted config values to be available in the template. a combination of macros and a TT function to call those macros could provide that	00:32
@preaction	for INCLUDE assets, you need a custom Template::Provider object to read asset:// links or something	00:32
@pbcj	I get that	00:32
@preaction	both of which are projects i would support and want completed	00:32
@pbcj	perhaps it's me, I'm sick as hell right now. I'm mixing two ideas.	00:34
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@pbcj	1) having something from the config file that is available within the templates. Easy enough. I could modify the assets involved and put the value in, but I thought config would be the way to go for part 2.	00:35
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@pbcj	2) in a template: <div>every site has this, but this is specific content: [%ProcessTemplate("/customized-sub-template")%]</div>	00:39
@preaction	you would be better off making [% INCLUDE asset:/customized-sub-template %]	00:40
+perlDreamer	yup	00:40
@pbcj	yes	00:40
+perlDreamer	cuz users can't get to a config file to customize it	00:41
@pbcj	yeah, come to think of it, that may not be needed at all	00:42
@pbcj	since every branded site would have it's own /customized/ subtree aside from the common content	00:42
@pbcj	okay, that will work.. sounds like pD volunteered	00:42
+perlDreamer	pD does not write new code any longer, only fix customer sites and old code	00:43
+perlDreamer	when 8 is released, they'll take him out into the back 40 and bludgeon him with an IBM XT computer	00:43
@preaction	come on. we'd have more class than that	00:43
@preaction	you'd get an Atari ST at least	00:44
+perlDreamer	I was hoping for a 386-DX with math co-processor, but the old and defunct can't be choosy	00:44
@pbcj	DX4	00:45
@pbcj	but, even then, that's a lot of work for us	00:45
@pbcj	TRS-80	00:45
@pbcj	it's lightweight and versatile	00:46
@pbcj	shows 'em who's boss and won't leave a mark	00:46
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/967452 patch on webgui 8, untested	00:48
Haarg	should let you do [% USE Macro; macro.FileUrl(blah) %]	00:48
@pbcj	right on man	00:50
Haarg	although making a custom provider for webgui to allow INCLUDEs like preaction was showing, the simplest thing to do is add the session to the vars. then plugins can do whatever they need without resorting to padwalker.	00:52
fallout	ie8 doesn't like wegbui.org =(	00:54
fallout	and i don't like ie8	00:54
Haarg	fallout, what problems are you seeing?	00:56
Haarg	or do you actually mean wegbui.org because i make that typo constantly	00:58
fallout	they are layout related- mainly, open tickets sometimes appears in full, sometimes it's cut off at the bottom of its parent	00:58
fallout	heh, no, this is webgui.org	00:59
fallout	i have a bug open somewhere that i haven't had time to look into	00:59
Haarg	ah yeah i see what you mean. it doesn't expand to show the entire ticket tracker	01:00
Haarg	not for the data table at least	01:00
fallout	yeah, there are other (seemingly related) effects	01:00
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fallout	similar things happen when submitting bugs- but you can make things disappear behind other items	01:00
fallout	etc	01:00
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@pbcj	is it mostly the helpdesk? it could use some TLC.	01:01
fallout	i'm still not clear what all is part of helpdesk..	01:02
@pbcj	everything you see when the url is /bugs	01:02
fallout	<3	01:03
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@pbcj	what I meant, was, the helpdesk asset could use some TLC, wink wink nudge... earn some fame and lots of karma ;)	01:05
@preaction	it already got TLC, it just hasn't been finished for one reason or another	01:06
@preaction	helpdesk v2 is just sitting in a github repo somewhere	01:07
@pbcj	oh, then, what I mean is.. blame preaction	01:07
@preaction	i'd blame frodwith more than preaction, but preaction is going to migrate v2 to 8 and everyone will be happy then	01:07
fallout	i'm just going to point at everyone except me	01:08
@preaction	but when you point, 3 fingers are pointing back at you	01:08
fallout	aww	01:08
Haarg	preaction, should i add that template toolkit session passing thing to 8/7.10?	01:09
@preaction	Haarg: go for it	01:10
@pbcj	... / 7.7.21	01:10
@preaction	pbcj: they should upgrade	01:10
Haarg	what about the additional template plugin namespace thing i had in that patch?	01:10
Haarg	it's an extremely simple change. could be backported to any version extremely easily.	01:11
@preaction	i'd say yes, but it would need tests	01:11
@pbcj	I'm going to have to go an alternate route due to client contraints, I don't think I can sell a full upgrade at this time	01:12
@preaction	so when i'm done with this, i can write a simple test for it and then put it in	01:12
@preaction	pbcj: as graham mentioned, backport it. it's a retardedly simple patch	01:12
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@pbcj	grahams thing doesn't solve my problem, I think	01:12
Haarg	i've just been throwing out related ideas i had so i'm not sure what problem you were actually dealing with	01:13
Haarg	what are you trying to do?	01:13
@pbcj	I want to process a subtemplate with the same template vars as the host template	01:13
@pbcj	so that custom template content may be broken out	01:14
@preaction	that won't do that then	01:14
Haarg	well	01:14
Haarg	it could be made to do something along those lines	01:14
Haarg	would be kind of ugly though	01:14
@pbcj	this is why I was talking about storing the template vars somewhere	01:14
@pbcj	and that would be ugly	01:14
@pbcj	we're going uglier but less hacky	01:15
Haarg	basically, with that patch, you could write a template toolkit plugin to do pretty much anything you want	01:15
@pbcj	get the vars hash that was passed in?	01:15
@pbcj	and pass it to a subtemplate	01:15
Haarg	the plugin would have access to those variables. the nastier part would be the actual processing of the subtemplate.	01:16
@preaction	which a Template::Provider class would do elegantly	01:16
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Haarg	yeah, but that's harder than a one line patch	01:17
@preaction	yes	01:17
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Haarg	actually	01:19
Haarg	with _session in there	01:19
+perlDreamer	wouldn't it make sense to see if content brought in by an INCLUDE directive is reprocessed in the context of the template?	01:21
@preaction	looks like Template::Provider only requires you to override two methods, and should be very long to WebgUI::Asset->newById(...)->view	01:21
Haarg	you could make a plugin 'SubTemplate', used like [% USE SubTemplate('block_name','url-goes-here'); PROCESS block_name %]	01:21
Haarg	would be pretty easy to do as well	01:21
Haarg	maybe it isn't as beautiful as asking for the template directly, but would involve less changes to core.	01:22
@preaction	how about I go ahead and make the new template provider to see if i'm write about it being 20 lines after i'm done merging these damnable tests	01:23
@preaction	gives me more wow for my presentation next week	01:23
Haarg	you'd want to also handle something like 'template:url-blah' for the use case pbcj is talking about	01:25
@preaction	right, because template doesn't use view	01:26
@preaction	though pbcj could just as easily use a snippet	01:27
Haarg	he wants to process the other template though, not include the view of it	01:28
@preaction	Provider does INCLUDE, PROCESS, and that other one	01:28
@preaction	INSERT, is the other one	01:29
Haarg	INSERT is for raw files, it doesn't go through provider	01:29
Haarg	the difference between include and process is just the variables that are passed to them	01:30
@preaction	Template::Provider::_template_content begs to differ with you	01:30
@preaction	This method returns the content of the template for all C<INCLUDE>, C<PROCESS>, and C<INSERT> directives.	01:30
@preaction	the Subclassing section of Template::Provider's docs	01:31
Haarg	eh, i guess so	01:31
Haarg	still though it's a difference in how the content of the template is processed. the two behaviors i was talking about are assets (call view on them and return static text) and templates (return their template, able to be processed as a template)	01:33
Haarg	for an asset that you are trying to include i'd think you'd want PROCESS, INCLUDE, and INSERT to all behave the same	01:34
Haarg	unless you actually want the output of an asset to be able to be processed as a template	01:35
@preaction	yes	01:36
Haarg	well i guess that works too	01:36
@preaction	template snippets	01:36
@preaction	or crazy collab setups	01:37
@preaction	KUH	01:37
@preaction	RAISEY	01:37
sbaur	So, I've played around with TT just a little bit (in 7.5.40) but we couldn't get INCLUDE to work at all. What magic sauce are we missing?	01:38
@preaction	nothing. it doesn't work	01:38
@preaction	there's no way to set where it looks for files, is the problem	01:38
Haarg	we don't specify any include paths, so it can't be used without patching core	01:38
@preaction	much less grabbing assets, which is what we're discussing now	01:39
@preaction	i could add the config stuff while i'm at it too	01:39
sbaur	ok, thanks for the clarification	01:39
@preaction	i could just check if the asset is a template and return template instead of view	01:40
sbaur	seems to me creating a directory in or at the same level as public in the domains section would be a handy default include path...	01:40
@preaction	but even that directory is configurable	01:40
@preaction	well, uploads is. the parent dir doesn't matter to webgui	01:41
Haarg	the main reason i mentioned the template: thing is that i was thinking that it would be less surprising if you couldn't use an asset view as a template	01:41
Haarg	since it roughly serves as a replacement for assetproxy	01:42
Haarg	all you have to do is use INCLUDE or PROCESS in one place where it should be IMPORT, and you have all kinds of security issues	01:42
@preaction	but then we can't have snippets that define functions that you can use later	01:44
Haarg	use a template if you want it to be templatable	01:44
Haarg	or make whoever is writing the template explicitly ask for it as a template	01:45
@preaction	but it's not a template, it's a set of functions and cannot be processed by itself.	01:45
@preaction	but then you have the same security problems, no?	01:46
Haarg	the issue is that if someone wants to include an asset like they would have done with assetproxy, they would do something like	01:46
Haarg	[% INCLUDE asset:asset-url %]	01:47
Haarg	which will be a security problem	01:47
Haarg	if they have to say template:asset-url then they are asking for it as a template	01:47
@preaction	only if asset-url was created by a user we don't trust	01:47
@preaction	so doing INCLUDE asset:$postId would be very bad indeed	01:47
Haarg	yes but all kinds of things get included with assetproxy	01:48
Haarg	including plenty of user content	01:48
@preaction	isn't that what INSERT is for then? or IMPORT or what-not?	01:48
@preaction	INSERT asset:asset-url	01:48
Haarg	yes, but you just forgot what it was	01:49
Haarg	do you think a site admin is going to remember when there are three options?	01:49
Haarg	i think being secure by default seems like the best option. if the user goes to the extra effort to do something insecure that's ok, but they should be forced to think about it first.	01:50
Haarg	something like template: forces them to think more than the difference between PROCESS/INCLUDE/INSERT	01:51
Haarg	i guess i don't see the issue with forcing people to use template assets to store template components	01:52
@preaction	eh, there isn't one really	01:53
@preaction	but what you've said sounds like i can't have asset: in provider, because provider does process include and insert	01:53
jimX11	A TT2 question, WebGUI verions less that 7.10 need template vars passed in HTML::Template style as hashrefs or as an array ref of hash refs. Can I pass it a hashref where the value is an object?	01:53
@preaction	no	01:54
@preaction	H::T will die	01:54
jimX11	H:T will die, but I'm using TT2.	01:55
+perlDreamer	that doesn't stop the user from building new, custom templates in H::T	01:56
Haarg	preaction, looking at provider a bit more, INSERT only works with static files	01:56
Haarg	or wait i'm dumb	01:57
Haarg	ok. it would be simpler to do what you were thinking, just providing asset view able to be processed as a template. but you could also override load and force all three mechanisms to work the same.	01:58
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Haarg	pbcj, if preaction doesn't get the provider thing worked out, or if it can't be used for the client for some reason, i'd recommend using the patch i just committed, then writing a tt plugin to do the including. Template::Context provides easy methods to include templates or define blocks or similar.	02:06
@pbcj	thx, problem is for client A I have no budget and am locked into an old version, and for client B, I likely have budget, but tackling that problem is a ways down the todo list	02:08
@preaction	oh always	02:09
Haarg	this stuff should all be simple to backport at least, so it shouldn't be a huge problem that it's an old version	02:10
@pbcj	yes, but they aren't using TT to begin with, and that's what I don't have budget for	02:15
@pbcj	however, this could likely solve it for client B.	02:15
@pbcj	I want an overall solution that simplifies branding, for both a single site serving multiple urls, and several individual instances	02:16
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fallout	i need some easy bugs to wade into wg with	02:25
@preaction	you might find it easier to start with 8, if you can get it to work	02:27
@pbcj	can I start over and just start with 8?	02:27
@preaction	speaking of which, how's that going scrottie? does anything work on your system yet? can i breathe a sigh of relief?	02:27
fallout	heh	02:28
@preaction	pbcj: no. you don't get 8. no 8 for you!	02:28
fallout	cj you have vm's	02:28
@pbcj	yes, but I get paid for this, so ..	02:28
* pbcj is pinned squarely under the man's thumb		02:28
@preaction	pbcj: i'm trying, i really am. i'm skipping so much and cutting corners and making dark promises to powerful gods to get this shit out the door so you can has	02:29
fallout	well, are there major issues with installing 8?	02:29
@preaction	it's pre-alpha	02:29
fallout	if it's similar to issues of old i think i'll survive	02:29
@pbcj	I got it to work, once upon a time	02:29
fallout	erm.	02:29
@preaction	that's as succinct as i can get it	02:29
@preaction	i'm working on trying to push alpha within a couple weeks	02:29
fallout	will it get me karma is really the question i should be asking i suppose ;)	02:30
@scrottie	anything work on my system? hmm?	02:30
* scrottie was afk		02:30
@scrottie	I haven't worked up the courage (or lack of immediate things to deal with) to do much with WebGUI8, but it's been doing a good job of not really doing much.	02:30
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@preaction	at least it's doing a good job	02:31
@scrottie	I guess I could test the UI some more.	02:32
@preaction	fallout: afaik there aren't many easy bugs, but perlDreamer would know for sure. you might have better luck attacking the RFE boards	02:32
fallout	roger.	02:32
fallout	appreciate it	02:32
@scrottie	fallout, yeah, even help testing would be good. a big picture of how it's coming together would seem useful.	02:32
+perlDreamer	there's the PayPal locale bug	02:32
@pbcj	fallout: I'd be willing to send you a stuffed octopus named 'gooey', and perlDreamer might be convinced to send you cookies.	02:32
fallout	woot	02:33
fallout	good enough.	02:33
+perlDreamer	that's about as easy as it gets	02:33
@scrottie	install is easy. I fixed up the README that comes with it to include the things that idiots like me tend to forget.	02:33
+perlDreamer	but you need to test BOTH PayPal plugins, since they have different locale setting/form variables	02:33
+perlDreamer	and the bug should be fixed in the master branch	02:33
+perlDreamer	not WebGUI8	02:33
+perlDreamer	and we can talk about how to backport it to 7.9	02:33
fallout	ideal =) am looking.	02:35
+perlDreamer	Haarg, what do you remember about this commit: 4350966866835f4a4a468d261fe2284577033c27	02:37
+perlDreamer	it turns out that if a site has urlExtensions enabled, and they import a style package, that it breaks the AssetProxy links to other assets since their URLs were changed	02:38
+perlDreamer	so, I was thinking of reverting that commit, and adding in a check to duplicate instead	02:38
Haarg	i don't really know	02:39
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cj	fallout: hmm?	03:11
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cj	I do have vms, but why do you mention this?	03:13
@preaction	cj: wrong cj i think. there's a pbcj	03:14
cj	ah. roger.	03:15
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@scrottie	cj, how's the WebGUI based cart going?	03:24
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cj	scrottie: I set it down so I could get some $work done. I'm hoping I'll have it up within the next month so I can get that PCI compliance checkbox checked.	03:33
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@scrottie	File assets should always give IO::File::WithPath objects to PSGI, instead of the current redirecting or streaming behavior. (#11688) ...	04:36
@scrottie	that seems to be working now but I'll have to write tests and commit tomorrow.	04:36
@scrottie	site.psgi looks at the config and enables either XSendfile or Static as appropriate	04:36
@preaction	awesome!	04:37
@preaction	i was worried about that one	04:37
@scrottie	at this point, some of this Plack stuff just needs simplified...	04:37
@preaction	plack itself? or our usage of it?	04:41
@scrottie	the usage of it.	04:42
@scrottie	WebGUI.pm is trying to figure out which scenario things are running in and it really doesn't need to care, for the most part.	04:42
@scrottie	except I want to move content type guessing for streamed filehandles up to the top level there.	04:43
@scrottie	most places won't need to call sendHeader. that can be done at the top level and probably no where else.	04:44
@scrottie	that can be rolled into the Request's finalize() method in a subclass.	04:45
@preaction	agreed	04:46
@scrottie	so, Plack continues to simplify everything. yay, yay!	04:46
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@preaction	what if we got rid of lineage, used URLs to build the tree, and allowed assets to have as many URLs as they wanted?	04:51
* preaction dons asbestos robe		04:51
@scrottie	lineage vs url mostly confuses people, I think.	04:53
@scrottie	it seems like mostly a chance for things to be out of sync.	04:53
@preaction	it confused the hell out of me, yeah	04:53
@preaction	but i also understand the benefit of arbitrary URLs	04:53
@scrottie	I think we should shoot for that for 9.	04:53
@scrottie	usually people pick their URL and then stuff under it goes under it and gets automatically named from the title.	04:54
@scrottie	that wouldn't change.	04:54
@preaction	we'd need a "canonical" URL to keep those automatic names predictable	04:56
@scrottie	ImageMagick doesn't work in 5.16 yet. if I wind up with some extra time here, I'm seriously thinking about doing an API-alike based on NetPBM. perhaps I'll call it Image::Magick::Sucks	04:57
@preaction	i'll keep it in mind. i should probably put together my 9 wishlist someday	04:57
@scrottie	postgres.	04:57
@preaction	why not a Graphics::Primitive plugin or what-not?	04:57
@preaction	9 would have an ORM, so yes.	04:58
@scrottie	hmm, that sounds like a good idea.	04:58
@scrottie	ugh. that's a discussion for another time.	04:58
@preaction	heh	04:58
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jimX11	Hmmm, ORMs	04:58
jimX11	DBIx::Class is making things so simple	04:59
@preaction	well, in theory 8 will have an ORM, but not everything will use it. it's something that has to be developed over time. i should probably write all that plan down too	04:59
@scrottie	I hope to god I'm able to pull myself up out of Web programming again by then if it is the case.	04:59
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@preaction	you can't escape! it's PROGRESS! JOIN US!	05:04
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SDuensin	Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays.	16:44
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fallout	SDuensin: well, i'm sure you'll get lots of practice	17:38
SDuensin	:-)	17:39
SDuensin	(Nobody gets my quotes! What kind of geeks are you?!)	17:39
+BartJol	we just ignore them :P	17:40
SDuensin	lol	17:41
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@pbcj	mornin	18:14
+perlDreamer	yo, pbcj	18:14
@pbcj	=) finally starting to get over this bout. rhinovirus 3, chris 0	18:15
+perlDreamer	I keep tellin' ya, you spend too much time with weight on both feet, and you're droppin' yer left	18:17
+perlDreamer	that's why he's got you on the ropes	18:17
+perlDreamer	now, keep shifting your weight, move move move	18:17
@pbcj	stick and move	18:17
+perlDreamer	and keep that left up, otherwise he's going to make hamburger out of ya	18:17
+BartJol	what, not playing supertuxcart?	18:25
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@scrottie	SDunsin, geeks aren't awake at that hour.	18:30
@scrottie	ORMs aren't the future. they're just another tragic chapter in history.	18:31
@pbcj	ORMs are a stepping stone	18:32
@scrottie	ORMs are an attempt to replicate the working set in yet another place because copying data around is so much fun.	18:34
@preaction	why do you hate jesus?	18:34
@preaction	jesus loves ORMs	18:34
@pbcj	ORMs are suppose to add an abstraction layer, albeit a specific abstraction. nHibernate was pretty nice. db4o even better.	18:38
* pbcj begins the flame war		18:38
@pbcj	so I have a simpler solution to my subtemplating problem. apparently you can send subs to TT. with a little closure, I think this would be enough to provide subtemplating.	18:47
@pbcj	$t->process( \$template, { $vars, subtemplate => sub { $t->process( $_[0], ... } } ) \|\| bail;	18:47
@pbcj	idea from: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1285441/calling-outside-modules-in-template-toolkit-without-plugins	18:47
@pbcj	is this a bad idea?	18:47
+perlDreamer	anything is better than giving them the whole session	18:51
+perlDreamer	once an underprivileged user has a session, they can rewrite passwords, give themselves group membership	18:52
+perlDreamer	and other things for fun and profit	18:52
@preaction	we don't allow full perl blocks	19:00
@preaction	and without downgrade(), i'm not sure how the subs will make it to the template	19:01
@pbcj	I'd be a core change	19:01
@pbcj	It'd	19:01
@pbcj	and only work for TT	19:01
@preaction	and we already have it, in the downgrade() sub. if you allow subrefs to be ported through, it'll work	19:02
@preaction	as for eval_perl, let me get you a patch here quick	19:02
@preaction	https://gist.github.com/ede0a91762b998ee99a8 <- that adds to graham's patch to also allow you to configure TT directly from the config file in the "template" config key	19:04
@preaction	so you could do "template" : { EVAL_PERL : 1 } and enable eval_perl	19:04
@preaction	if you're using pre 5.10 perl, you need to change //= into: defined $something ? $something : $default	19:05
@pbcj	hrm, I was actually thinking I could put it in base template, and had started down that road as a test	19:12
@pbcj	this is probably riddled with perl noob mistakes, but this is what I was going for: https://gist.github.com/5444b48de7bfeeb594b8	19:12
* pbcj has not run that code. don't shoot me		19:12
@preaction	that won't work with H::T, and will break any H::T template	19:12
@pbcj	screw H::T	19:13
@pbcj	I was proud of my little solution, too. Thanks dad :/	19:15
@pbcj	"children, thank your father"	19:15
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Haarg	pbcj, if you apply my patch to add _session to vars, you can then use a plugin like this	21:55
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/969192	21:55
Haarg	and do [% USE WGTemplate; WGTemplate.process('url-here') %]	21:56
@pbcj	still need the vars passed, though	21:57
Haarg	$context->process keeps the vars	21:57
@pbcj	oh, saweet	21:58
@pbcj	this still puts session in vars tho	22:12
@preaction	_ vars cant be accessed from the template	22:12
@preaction	only from plugins and such	22:12
@pbcj	oh, right, I think I discovered that once	22:12
@pbcj	nice	22:12
@pbcj	then, purrrfect	22:13
@pbcj	ty	22:13
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@pbcj	CIA is not doing well today	22:22
+perlDreamer	He needs some Botspo-Bismal	22:32
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@scrottie	http://pghpw.org/ppw2011/ ... I'm thinking about putting in "WebGUI 8 as a Plack Web Development Framework".	23:34
@scrottie	btw, there are six days left for priority consideration of PPW talks.	23:37
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CIA-82	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * r7a994b5 / (6 files in 6 dirs): (log message trimmed)	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: File assets should always give IO::File::WithPath objects to PSGI, instead of the current redirecting or streaming behavior. (#11688)	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: New API method: WebGUI::Response::sendFile; it, as appropriate, calls	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: setRedirect or setStreamedFile, depending on enableStreamingUploads config var.	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: setStreamedFile now kicks off the XSendfile process.	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: File.pm now uses this instead of trying to set both a redirect and a stream.	04:11
CIA-82	webgui: IO::File::WithPath blows up if a file doesn't exist so this raises an exception	04:11
* scrottie &		04:12
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SDuensin	FrIdAy13tH!	16:50
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@scrottie	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING VIETNAM	19:41
@scrottie	oh, hell.	19:41
@scrottie	it is.	19:41
@scrottie	so that's why I stabbed myself with a rusty nail this morning.	19:42
SDuensin	Well that was silly.	19:43
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@preaction	so since I wrote WebGUI::Template::Provider today, does that mean it's the unholy spawn of our evil dark lord, Mr. Fuzzydrawers?	21:41
@scrottie	vi lib/WebGUI.pm ... :w ... lib/WebGUI.pm: 209 lines, 6666 characters.	21:49
@preaction	oh god, it's STARTING	21:50
@scrottie	I guess wc -c would be easier.	21:50
@scrottie	hrm, I should write a smoker bot that runs prove --verbose, captures the output in a log file, and commits the results back in a file to the repo. then if you want to go muck things up, you know you always have before test results to diff/kompare against.	21:52
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@preaction	I CAN FINALLY CHECK IN THIS MERGE!	02:13
@preaction	full test suite runs expectedly dirty! only POD.t and Whitespace.t fail!	02:14
@preaction	git add lib t	02:14
@preaction	that's the wrong window	02:14
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r277faae / (848 files in 205 dirs): (log message trimmed)	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: Merge commit 'v7.10.15' into 8	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: Conflicts:	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: docs/gotcha.txt	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: docs/previousVersion.sql	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: docs/templates.txt	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: lib/WebGUI.pm	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r677ac97 / (89 files in 28 dirs):	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: Merge branch 'WebGUI8' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into 8	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: Conflicts:	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: lib/WebGUI.pm	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl	02:21
CIA-82	webgui: sbin/testEnvironment.pl - http://bit.ly/k0dBsw	02:21
sbaur	congrats preaction!	02:25
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@scrottie	preaction, just between you and I, I think you should release a public beta of WebGUI8 at midnight.	04:43
@preaction	11:59 perhaps?	04:43
@scrottie	works.	04:43
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SDuensin	Greetings.	16:50
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CIA-82	webgui: Paul Driver master * rc1a2918 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #12129: AdminBar calls canAdd as an object method - http://bit.ly/iuwgWG	00:13
CIA-82	webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * red2a50d / (4 files in 4 dirs): fixed #12129: AdminBar calls canAdd as an object method - http://bit.ly/kTijeG	00:17
CIA-82	webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r0d66ad4 / t/Asset/Asset.t : Whoops. Monkey::Patch wasn't used. - http://bit.ly/lSSc0G	00:17
CIA-82	webgui: Paul Driver master * r4af2c84 / t/Asset/Asset.t : Whoops. Monkey::Patch wasn't used. - http://bit.ly/kQoC2H	00:18
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jimX11	how can I generate a new session id? This ain't it: $session->id->generate	03:00
@scrottie	are you calling the docs a liar?	03:04
@scrottie	what error do you get?	03:05
@preaction	do you mean you want a new session?	03:05
@preaction	or just an ID?	03:05
jimX11	just an id	03:05
jimX11	well it could be me.	03:05
@preaction	then yes, session->id->generate	03:05
@scrottie	I might guess that you have a $self but not a $session. does the module load?	03:05
jimX11	Hmm.	03:05
@scrottie	is there anything in the mod_perl error log about this module?	03:06
Haarg	what does generate give you that is different from what you are expecting?	03:06
jimX11	In a loop I'm generating ids using a session - maybe it's because I"m missusing a test session - and the id is the same on the second loop iteration.	03:07
jimX11	my $session = WebGUI::Test->session;	03:07
@scrottie	paste the code around this loop into a gist.github.com gist?	03:07
jimX11	is my seesion.	03:07
@scrottie	or use +http://webgui.pastebin.com	03:08
jimX11	https://gist.github.com/975636	03:08
Haarg	pastebin doesn't have subdomains like that anymore actually	03:09
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jimX11	the first iteration produces this webgui id "-fIlDviRwGlRqU5V1mtarw" and an insert is done. The second iteration fails because the same webgui id is use.	03:10
jimX11	...and the db had a constraint forceing the webgui id to be unique.	03:11
jimX11	well, I made a test loop and that craeted new ids (just as the docs say). So must be something in my loop.	03:13
jimX11	ok, session->id->generate is the right thing to use here. Just checking my assumptions (because at least one of the is wrong).	03:14
targz	I'm planning a WebGUI deployment for later this year. Any idea when WebGUI8 might be released?	03:16
targz	I'd really like a Plack/PSGI-based version to work with.	03:17
@scrottie	targz, check out a copy now and test it.	03:19
@scrottie	there are some architectual changes that still need to be made, it needs testing (including an official alpha test release), and there are some assets that haven't been updated for WebGUI 8 yet.	03:20
targz	I could test now but that doesn't help me plan my deployment. Is a rough timeframe taking shape or is it a way off yet?	03:21
@scrottie	regardless, even if you deploy 7 and let 8 settle a bit, it should be an easy upgrade if you haven't written any assets or content handlers yourself. you should just be able to swap WebGUIs and run updates.	03:21
@scrottie	preaction will have to speak to that.	03:21
targz	It's more a case of trying out new server options with PSGI eg. Starman, nginx etc.	03:22
@preaction	i'm planning on the alpha in june. beta when i feel stable enough (not less than 2 months after alpha, during which time I'll be making the new WRE and some other stuff)	03:23
@preaction	normal beta cycle rules apply from that point: 7.10 goes stable, 8 is new beta, some months pass, features added that didn't require API changes, 8 goes stable	03:23
targz	Sounds like the back end of this year then. Good to have some idea. Thanks.	03:23
@preaction	as long as you write no custom code, the upgrade should happen as normal, though i'll get a feel for that in these coming weeks	03:24
@scrottie	a lot of this has to do with how brave you are.	03:25
@preaction	indeed	03:25
@preaction	but with a full test run passing and every asset's edit form working, there's really nothing more to be done except release something to the universe	03:25
@scrottie	fwiw, we're stoked about Plack too.	03:25
@scrottie	have those Test::Class tests seen the light of day any time recently?	03:27
@preaction	crap, you're right. those don't get run with a normal run...	03:28
@scrottie	they're too obnoxious. but they might be worth running manually.	03:28
targz	Where can I get WebGUI 8 source code? Can't see anything on the website.	03:33
@preaction	http://github.com/plainblack/WebGUI8 i think	03:33
@preaction	https://github.com/plainblack/WebGUI/tree/WebGUI8 <- nope, this	03:34
jimX11	thanks for the tips, the problem was in the method chaining.	03:43
targz	The fie I downloaded is labelled ... v7.10.15 ... Is that the correct one?	03:50
@preaction	targz: no, you need to clone the git repo and checkout the WebGUI8 branch	03:50
targz	Right. So it's a Git job.	03:51
jimX11	where can I read about adding a user via the command line? Maybe something in /data/wre/sbin will help?	04:00
@preaction	wgd might be able to do it	04:00
@preaction	maybe not. looks to only be able to test the security of passwords	04:01
Haarg	userImport.pl can do some user manipulation	04:02
Haarg	it's kind of painful to work with though	04:02
jimX11	ok.	04:04
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+perlDreamer	what's the magic CPAN invocation to tell it just to install all these temporary modules needed for building other modules?	05:17
@preaction	EM_MM_USEDEFAULT=1 maybe? dunno	05:26
@preaction	cpanm maybe?	05:26
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+perlDreamer	mmm, cpanm!	05:48
Haarg	o conf build_requires_install_policy yes	06:34
+perlDreamer	thanks Haarg	07:04
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elnino	hi. Is there a way to sort the items in a list that is generated by "thingy" - the drop lists when creating a new record, or searching for data are a weird order.	07:30
@preaction	no, but that might be an outstanding RFE	07:32
elnino	ok. and is there a way for the search fields to be OR instead of AND? I'm getting two drop lists, and I HAVE to choose from both. I'm looking at the templates to see if I can add a "blank" row	07:33
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2ab9773 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver/PayPal/ExpressCheckout.pm : Remove variables that were not being used. - http://bit.ly/kVFzeP	07:34
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd796412 / t/Asset/Story.t : Update Asset/Story.t for changes to exportGetRelatedAssetIds now exporting the container as well. - http://bit.ly/lQxBVA	07:34
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raaa2d8e / t/Asset/Shortcut/010-linked-asset.t : Update shortcut exporting test for changes to exportGetRelatedAssetIds exporting the container by default. - http://bit.ly/kg9V4C	07:37
jimX11	well, I'm pullint the column names dynamically, but I can't get the template to show it because of that no-array-refs-only-hashes constraint. Actually I pulled the column names and those aren't suitable for display. So I'll go back and add more meta data - the display name.	07:53
elnino	are you talk to me?	07:54
+perlDreamer	preaction: heads up. There's some intermittent bug in AssetLineage.t	07:55
jimX11	elnino:sorry wrong window.	07:55
elnino	lol. that's ok. it kinda sounded related to what I was doing. =)	07:55
@preaction	perlDreamer: what happens?	07:56
+perlDreamer	http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12130	07:56
+perlDreamer	setRank fails to move an asset	07:56
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re33c41b / t/Asset/AssetLineage.t : Add more tests around a test that fails intermittently in AssetLineage.t - http://bit.ly/kMt2zt	07:58
@preaction	jimX11: you should have a data structure that looks like this: columns => [ { name => 'name', label => 'Name' } ... ], rows => [ { row => [ { name => 'Value' } ... ] }, { row => [ { name => 'Value2' } ] } ] }	07:58
@preaction	the DataTable asset does something like it, iirc	07:58
@preaction	perlDreamer: that has to be a recent happenstance. perhaps git bisect can help you?	07:58
+perlDreamer	I don't think it's recent, I think it's rare	07:58
+perlDreamer	and I can't duplicate it	07:59
+perlDreamer	but I've got the test log that shows what'sup	07:59
+perlDreamer	if I hadn't had to spend the last hour fixing test failures from RFE's I may have never seen it even this time	07:59
@pbcj	Haarg, got that TT plugin working. ended up like this: https://gist.github.com/975976 this way it can branch to a H::T	08:00
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r669a071 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.16 release. - http://bit.ly/iNOipy	08:00
@pbcj	[% USE SubTemplate; SubTemplate.process('/other-template') %]	08:00
@pbcj	thx for your assist on that	08:01
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jimX11	preaction: the data escapes the hash requirement because it's an object. Arrays of objects get past the H:T induced hash constraint. Hmm, that's another solution, turn the array into an object, a simple object that has only a value method.	08:03
@preaction	H:T would choke on it, but since it's client code and not core code it doesn't matter what H:T does to it if you're using TT	08:04
@preaction	but working with H:T means massaging the data into what H:T expects, even if that requires a few dozen map { } calls	08:04
+perlDreamer	preaction, the new AssetProperty macro lets you pull any property from a macro without doing group checks	08:08
+perlDreamer	is that legal?	08:08
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+perlDreamer	let me try that again	08:08
+perlDreamer	preaction, the new AssetProperty macro lets you pull any property from any asset without doing privilege checks	08:08
@preaction	perhaps ask the author if that's a requirement? i could go either way really	08:10
+perlDreamer	I'm probably just being paranoid again	08:11
+perlDreamer	never mind	08:11
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@scrottie	bash needs the perl /x flag for commands.	08:16
@scrottie	or maybe I need to investigate perl shells.	08:17
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbba52dd / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.17 development. - http://bit.ly/kU4WYy	08:20
Haarg	that assetproperty thing does seem dangerous to me. allowing site admins direct access to the api like that seems nasty, in addition to the security issue due to the lack of group checks.	08:24
jimX11	preaction: I thought I could use just use a block like this { $_ => $_ } instead of { name => $_ } for map. But some columns aren't displayed (ids) and those have undef values. So that's why { name => $_ } is better. I ask because the data works, but just for one specialty table (needles).	08:34
jimX11	I ask because the data is displayed for the one specialty table, but the real tables may show cases that require what you suggest rows => [{row => [ {name => ...(ack).	08:36
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@preaction	wait a minute. aren't files supposed to be included in packages?	09:02
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@preaction	the actual file contents?	09:02
@scrottie	hrm. I have in the past wgd package'd up pngs and moved them over.	09:03
@scrottie	I don't know in which cases that works... if it only works on File assets, or if it works on anything with a storageId, or what. I'm guessing the illusion is imperfect.	09:03
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@preaction	maybe it's because these are collab posts and the attachments don't come with them?	09:04
* scrottie waves to andyiomoon		09:04
@preaction	like dataform entries don't come with the dataform	09:04
@preaction	nope, attachments are included with posts.	09:04
@preaction	why do i always have to find bugs when it's a data recovery emergency?	09:05
@scrottie	uh oh.	09:05
@preaction	i'm fine, i can get the data, it's just annoying	09:05
@preaction	the package wouldn't import, had to do it three times, somehow repeating it make it eventually work	09:05
@preaction	but the package didn't export any files... because the files weren't there because the assets were from the backup but the files were not	09:06
@preaction	so that's not a bug	09:06
@preaction	just out of sync data	09:06
@preaction	but having to import three times...	09:06
@preaction	maybe because the storageId was there but there was no data?	09:06
@scrottie	could be.	09:07
@preaction	it's 1:00am. i'm not going to go digging, but i will leave a note to dig tomorrow	09:07
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@scrottie	"my $storage = $asset->exportPackage;" seems to be the heart of package building.	09:08
@scrottie	and importPackage() to import them.	09:09
* andyiomoon doffs lid to scrottie		09:09
@scrottie	ready for another exciting day, andyiomoon?	09:09
andyiomoon	boy am I!!!	09:10
andyiomoon	that might have sounded a little too enthusiastic	09:10
@scrottie	enthusiasm often doesn't last ;)	09:11
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@preaction	and for some reason tar didn't extract all the images correctly, or worse those images are missing...	09:16
@scrottie	hrm. 'info'/'debug' level logging is going to have to be retained, I think.	09:16
@preaction	most definitely	09:17
@scrottie	(I can't remember right now what you wrote earlier)	09:17
@preaction	fatal needed to go away because all errors are potentially recoverable and logging an error should not include a die()	09:18
@scrottie	exceptions are just die. if stuff isn't caught, it could be. but yeah, commingling two ideas tends to cause confusion. on the other hand, the I've seen a lot of code that is too eager to catch and blackhole errors.	09:21
@scrottie	there's something nice about being able to turn debug volume to 11 when you're testing a failure scenario.	09:22
@preaction	i agree that people who over zealously catch errors deserve all the ill that befalls them (and more)	09:23
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@scrottie	kill it with fire.	10:41
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jimX11	wreservice.pl --restart modperl give a "FAILED!" message. The log /data/wre/va\	16:05
jimX11	r/logs/modperl.error.log look normal "resuming normal operations" but modperl a\	16:05
jimX11	ppears to have not restarted. What's another trouble-shooting step?	16:05
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jimX11	I'm guessing one of my modules fails to compile, but no mention of that in the log.	16:17
+BartJol	jimX11: sometimes I see a FAILED message, while actually modperl is fine	16:26
+BartJol	but in yeurcase it doesn't look like it	16:26
+BartJol	I think yopu can adjust the log level	16:27
jimX11	BartJol: I'll adjust the log level and see if something turns up in the logs. Thanks.	16:27
+BartJol	in the wre it is in modperl.conf in /data/wre/etc	16:28
SDuensin	Only Tuesday!? ACK!	16:41
jimX11	BartJol: The error was a syntax error in my module. I need food in my belly. That's the root cause.	16:52
+BartJol	:)	16:53
+BartJol	well, bon appetit	16:53
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+perlDreamer	preaction: got some action on the Data::Serializer::JSON bug report	18:37
+perlDreamer	the author is hesitant to accept the patch, because the author of JSON provided the original	18:38
@rizen	he's just the author of json, what does he know about it? =)	18:38
+perlDreamer	oh sure, take his side!	18:39
+perlDreamer	what do you know about authoring large, popular software programs?	18:39
@rizen	nothing	18:40
@rizen	i've only authored large unpopular programs	18:40
@rizen	many times	18:40
@rizen	=)	18:40
+perlDreamer	4th times the charm!	18:42
+perlDreamer	okay, so if someone got up early and made you white chocolate pancakes with raspberry syrup, would you turn up your nose at it?	18:42
@rizen	sounds awfully sweet. i'd say, throw that crap away and make me an omelet!	18:43
@rizen	=)	18:43
+perlDreamer	from now on, I'm only making the kids spaghetti with peanut butter and worchestershire sauce	18:44
Haarg	perlDreamer, i think for the purposes of that Data::Serializer::JSON issue, using utf8 encoding and decoding would probably be the way to go	19:08
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12132 <- fun bug I found at 2:00am last night!	19:09
+perlDreamer	oooohhhh, very evil!	19:15
@preaction	now i just gotta find out why the frankenstein package i made completely blew up	19:24
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r01b9d95 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm : fix RichEdit merge - http://bit.ly/klsoRP	19:49
@preaction	should inheriting from WebGUI::Asset load WebGUI::Definition::Asset for you?	19:52
@preaction	i can reduce this Hello World asset by a line, and a confusing error	19:53
@preaction	nope, can't figure it out, i can't import it into the parent class, that doesn't seem to work right. i can't call init_meta myself, because it doesn't get the define() keyword I need	20:06
jimX11	lunch anyone? Bean nachos. Hmm.	20:20
+perlDreamer	preaction, I did a little digging into that bug and I'm confused	20:36
+perlDreamer	www_lock calls addRevision	20:37
+perlDreamer	addRevision creates a tag if it doesn't exist	20:37
+perlDreamer	or if the parent doesn't have an open tag	20:37
+perlDreamer	or if there's no autocommit workflowId	20:37
+perlDreamer	I mean, on the surface it looks fine	20:37
@preaction	shit	21:07
@preaction	shit shit shit	21:07
@preaction	then i don't even know	21:07
@preaction	i was looking at 8, which does things differently	21:07
@preaction	then i don't know what happened.	21:10
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+perlDreamer	later this week I'll try to write some tests, and let them do the talkin'	21:40
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knowmad	i need to add a reply-to header to emails sent via DataForm; is there a way to do that wihout creating a custom DataForm asset?	21:45
@preaction	knowmad: add it to the existing DataForm asset and send us a patch?	21:46
@preaction	though, isn't there a global reply-to address in the settings?	21:46
@preaction	it has to be different than From:?	21:46
knowmad	i didn't see one but let me check again...	21:47
knowmad	i would think that others would have run into this problem of emails getting rejected if you use the submitter's email address as the From field value; need a way to easily reply to the submitter without using their email in the From field	21:48
@preaction	but yes, if it's not there, i approve the RFE	21:49
knowmad	when you say "global reply-to address in the settings", do you mean in the DataForm.pm definition?	21:49
knowmad	preaction: there is a reply-to option in WebGUI::Mail::Send so adding a reply-to field in settings is easy	21:51
knowmad	unfortunately, i need to be able to populate that with a value from the dataform	21:52
knowmad	oh, wait, I should be able to do it the same way we handle from, subject, cc, etc	21:52
@preaction	yeah, that	21:53
knowmad	ok, i'll submit an rfe and patch	21:54
+perlDreamer	it would probably be best to extend the default field set that's setup to add the Reply-To: Field in there	21:55
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jimX11	I should escape $gui in this: $self->session->icon->edit('func=editRow;guid=$gui'); rigth? And I can use the escape method from WebGUI::Session::Url	22:42
@scrottie	https://github.com/miyagawa/Plack-Middleware-InteractiveDebugger	22:42
+perlDreamer	GUID's are URL safe, jimX11	22:42
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1f75069 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : allow assetName to be a normal, non-i18n string - http://bit.ly/iN4By9	23:21
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r587d494 / (2 files in 2 dirs): add Template Toolkit plugins/extentions - http://bit.ly/muddFD	23:21
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r72d32d6 / lib/WebGUI/Template/Provider.pm : clarify returning from try/catch - http://bit.ly/izQVWu	23:28
knowmad	perlDreamer: thanks for the input; i think that we're on the same page; i'm looking at adding a section to the defFieldConfig in definition()	23:32
knowmad	my expectation is that this would then add a new field to the data form	23:32
@preaction	yes, most likely	23:33
knowmad	on another topic, i need to integrate an external script into a WebGUI site	23:33
knowmad	thanks preaction	23:33
knowmad	it will take form input, process it and return output	23:34
knowmad	i'm looking for quick and maintainable (realizing that these may be mutually exclusive)	23:34
knowmad	ideally, i'd like the output to be handled by a wG template; any suggestions? ideas?	23:34
@preaction	i'd say an asset, it would have to be	23:38
@preaction	parsing the output yourself and then giving it to a template	23:38
knowmad	do i need a wobject or can i get by with a plain asset?	23:39
knowmad	Believe it or not, I've never written one so I'm kinda looking forward to the opportunity	23:40
@preaction	wobject adds style templates, so you probably want a wobject	23:40
@preaction	wish i had 8 out, i'm writing a presentation right now about HelloWorld asset and a simple DBIx::Class wobject	23:41
knowmad	yeah, we probably do; now to learn about wobjects ;)	23:41
knowmad	do you have an ETA on the release of 8?	23:41
@preaction	i'm planning on an alpha next month. a beta when pb.com and wg.org are settled and stable	23:42
@preaction	alpha will be like a beta cycle, only with an alpha name and not stopping 7.9 stable dev	23:42
knowmad	excellent	23:44
@preaction	anyone care to comment on the state of the 8-apps presentation so far? http://preaction.github.com/WebGUI/8-apps.html	23:53
Haarg	perlDreamer, re Data::Serializer::JSON, have you tried using it with utf8 encoding turned on for both encode and decode?	23:55
+perlDreamer	no, I just used what we use internally	23:55
+perlDreamer	from_json and to_json	23:55
+perlDreamer	which the docs say will handle UTF8 correctly	23:55
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Haarg	if you are storing it in a text column yes	00:01
Haarg	from_json is the same as JSON->new->decode()	00:01
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Haarg	if you store the data in a blob or something binary, letting JSON do the encoding/decoding is fine	00:03
+perlDreamer	I think part of the problem is that we don't know what it's going to be stored as	00:23
+perlDreamer	the backend could be anything	00:23
+perlDreamer	so, for context, I came across that when I tried to use CHI, with Fast_MMAP, with JSON as the serializer	00:24
+perlDreamer	the site that was using it had smart quotes, which all broke with JSON as the serializer	00:24
+perlDreamer	worked fine with Storable, but the original version of Storable was writing stuff that it couldn't read	00:25
+perlDreamer	so the site would throw a 500 error	00:25
Haarg	for things like that, having it not encoded is probably wrong, but due to perl internals probably works anyway	00:25
Haarg	i think for a cache system you should probably always be assuming the backend is dealing in bytes	00:26
+perlDreamer	currently it's encoding asymmetrically	00:26
Haarg	yeah, with something like fastmmap though, it probably just goes directly to the internal representation	00:26
Haarg	which just happens to be utf8ish	00:26
Haarg	and so it round trips correctly by luck	00:26
+perlDreamer	hm	00:27
Haarg	i could be wrong about that, but i think what is needed is to encode and decode both with utf8 on	00:27
+perlDreamer	so you would s/JSON->new->decode($_[1]);/JSON->new->utf8->decode($_[1]);/	00:27
Haarg	for the caching thing yes	00:27
jimX11	$session->url returns a WebGUI::Session::Url object. Can I get the url of the session using that? I want the url to use as the form value of the action attribute.	00:30
+perlDreamer	you'd use the URL of the asset for that	00:30
+perlDreamer	$self->getUrl	00:30
jimX11	thanks	00:30
+perlDreamer	if you every really did want the page url from the session, $session->url->page	00:31
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SquOnk	Greetings.	00:35
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+perlDreamer	yo, SquOnk	00:36
SquOnk	Need a hint. This site has many polls, however the "current" poll should be on the main page. They're using a Shortcut to the current poll.	00:36
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+perlDreamer	what defines "current"?	00:37
SquOnk	They want people to vote, but instead of going to the poll page to see the results, they want the results to be displayed in the Shortcut.	00:37
+perlDreamer	sorry	00:37
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Whichever one they shortcut and paste in the main page.	00:37
+perlDreamer	that's an Asset focus problem	00:37
+perlDreamer	when they vote, you go into the Asset	00:37
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SquOnk	Exactly. I told them that. Is there any way to prevent that?	00:38
+perlDreamer	change the Poll to submit ajax?	00:38
+perlDreamer	and pull data via AJAX?	00:38
+perlDreamer	I'm pretty sure the ajax submit can happen with just a template change	00:38
+perlDreamer	but pulling the data can't	00:38
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Haven't done that.	00:39
+perlDreamer	unless you forced a page reload or something	00:39
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, there are lots of examples of making AJAX requests in WebGUI	00:41
+perlDreamer	and if a JS-hating bigot like me can do it, then esteemed university professors can do it too	00:41
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Oh, but I'm not doing it.	00:42
SquOnk	perlDreamer: They are doing it.	00:42
+perlDreamer	ah	00:42
+perlDreamer	it would be a cool RFE to add a real AJAX API to the Poll	00:44
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+perlDreamer	preaction, re 8-presentation, have you had time to check out the InnoDB migration code?	00:50
@preaction	it is not part of the upgrade yet, no	00:50
* SquOnk wonders about the Pg-based version		00:53
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, we're just waiting for your patches :)	00:54
SquOnk	perlDreamer: :)	00:54
+perlDreamer	actually, there have been a couple of different people who have asked about that now	00:55
+perlDreamer	and a db agnostic way of running wG would make the demo system very easy	00:55
+perlDreamer	something that is SQLite backed, for example	00:55
SquOnk	perlDreamer: "db agnostic" implies DBIx::Class	00:56
+perlDreamer	no, it implies working with lots of other database backends	00:56
+perlDreamer	converting WebGUI to DBIx::Class would be about the same amount of work, or more, than converting it to Moose	00:56
+perlDreamer	that was close to two years	00:56
@preaction	it wouldn't have to be DBIC though	00:56
SquOnk	perlDreamer: By using DBIx::Class, you can use any database supported by Perl, even those that aren't databases (like DBD over CSV files or Excel worksheets :-)	00:57
+perlDreamer	going through all the SQL to make sure it works with Postgres I think would be a smaller task	00:57
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, I'm sold on the concept	00:57
+perlDreamer	Totally think we should go with some kind of ORM	00:57
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+perlDreamer	but that's a different concept than making sure wG's current SQL works on pG	00:57
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CIA-82	webgui: Graham Knop tt-asset-plugin * rd1f93b8 / lib/WebGUI/Template/Plugin/Asset.pm : add Asset template plugin (+1074 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/iCpBOG	01:11
CIA-82	webgui: Chris Hanson webgui-7.9 * r1b16d70 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/map/map.js : Map: moved point at which hideLoading occurs to avoid potential bug. - http://bit.ly/iiZorz	01:14
jimX11	i have a package using a base of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject. If I pass func=foo, then the method www_foo is called, I think. But it doesn't seem to be. The view method seems to be called still.	01:31
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r72667d0 / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder/Role/HasObjects.pm : add process() sub for FormBuilder - http://bit.ly/inwbRk	01:31
+perlDreamer	jimX11, check for syntax errors in the www_foo func, the webgui.log file tells all	01:39
jimX11	ok	01:39
jimX11	it was a syntax error. I'm avoiding syntax errors from here on. I'm a syntax-vegan from here on.	01:48
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@scrottie	jimX11, you are keeping an eye on your modperl error log, right?	02:12
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jimX11	well, I can't figure it out.	02:36
jimX11	maybe I incorrect case? This should send it to www_editRow: ?func=editRow;	02:37
jimX11	I put tracer messages in the view method and in the www_editRow method. Only the tracer text in view is in the log.	02:38
jimX11	perlDreamer: Looking for some error in my package that causes ?func=foo to not go to www_foo, I threw the baby out with the bath water and removed all code from the package except 4 methods, view view_foo definition (it's a subclass of WebGUI::Asset::Wobject)and prepareView. I restarted modperl and still ?func=foo runs the view method (the view method is just 1 line return "hello world").	04:15
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jimX11	I even removed use directives applied to my other packages.	04:31
+perlDreamer	I have no idea	05:10
+perlDreamer	when I visit /home/untitled?func=foo	05:11
+perlDreamer	I get the output of the foo method	05:11
+perlDreamer	if you were to go to /home?func=foo	05:11
jimX11	oh	05:11
jimX11	yea	05:11
+perlDreamer	you'd be trying to get foo from the layout containing the untitled asset	05:11
+perlDreamer	remember, layouts ALWAYS show the view method of their child assets	05:11
+perlDreamer	if you want to call a method directly on a child asset, you hve to use ITS url instead	05:12
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SDuensin	Greetings.	17:25
@pbcj	morn'	17:30
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targz	Need help getting WebGUI8. Have git cloned the repo and 'git checkout WebGUI8'. What next?	17:53
targz	Don't see any app.psgi file	17:54
+perlDreamer	it's /data/WebGUI/app.psgi	17:57
+perlDreamer	well, or whereever you installed WebGUI, in the top level directory	17:57
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targz	no /data	17:58
+perlDreamer	where did you install WebGUI?	17:58
targz	It was a git clone, not a download	17:58
+perlDreamer	all right, where did you clone WebGUI?	17:59
targz	I was prev. advised to clone the git repo	17:59
targz	cloned into webgui directory	17:59
@preaction	so it should be webgui/WebGUI/app.psgi no?	17:59
@preaction	where's the lib directory? app.psgi should be in the same directory as lib and README and a few other files	18:00
+perlDreamer	app.psgi is in the git repo	18:00
@preaction	also, you might be interested in http://preaction.github.com/WebGUI/8-apps.html	18:00
+perlDreamer	definitely	18:00
targz	all I see is asset_status.ods, docs, etc, lib, sbin, t, var, www	18:00
targz	lib contains Spectre, WebGUI, WebGUI.pm	18:01
+perlDreamer	github says it's in there: https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/tree/WebGUI8	18:01
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targz	Not the URL I used	18:02
@preaction	who did you clone from?	18:02
targz	https://github.com/preaction/webgui.git	18:02
targz	Maybe explains it	18:02
@preaction	yeah, that's out of date	18:02
+perlDreamer	oh, that's not the right place	18:02
@preaction	but you can fix that easy	18:02
targz	Why is that the main URL listed on GitHub then?	18:03
@preaction	git remote rm origin; git remote add origin git@github.com:plainblack/webgui.git	18:03
@preaction	uh... it should not be, where is it listed?	18:03
targz	Link from here: https://github.com/preaction	18:04
@preaction	targz: i have a personal fork of WebGUI, but WebGUI's main repo is in the Plain Black organization	18:05
targz	Anyway, I have the correct URL now so thanks.	18:08
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+perlDreamer	if only paypal sandbox testing had frequent purchaser points...	20:49
SDuensin	What? PayPal?	20:50
SDuensin	Please tell me you're making a decent PP driver. :-)	20:50
+perlDreamer	depends on what you mean by "decent"	20:51
SDuensin	One I can sell subscriptions to a group with.	20:51
+perlDreamer	it would help if it was more straight-forward on how to do that	20:52
+perlDreamer	with PayPal Standard, you can only buy one subscription at a time	20:52
+perlDreamer	with Express, there's a whole bunch of hoops, and you're still limited in the number you can buy at a time	20:52
+perlDreamer	I think it's twelve	20:52
+perlDreamer	ITransact doesn't have any of those limitations	20:54
SDuensin	But ITransact is expensive as hell.	20:56
SDuensin	And they're a PITA with all their questions about what you're going ot sell, how much it'll cost, yadda yadda yadda - and then if you deviate from that you have to start all over again!	20:57
+perlDreamer	expensive? PayPal charges 9% for transactions	21:03
+perlDreamer	ITransact, last time I checked, charged 3% plus a monthly fee	21:03
SDuensin	On my volume, they're expensive. :-P	21:04
@scrottie	Maybe you need to set up a ccbill payment driver.	21:06
@scrottie	They specialize in recurring payments.	21:07
+perlDreamer	for better or worse, people are going to demand paypal	21:08
SDuensin	Payment solutions suck.	21:08
+perlDreamer	indeed	21:09
+perlDreamer	the reason that I now know so much is that we had a customer come and ask for recurring payments with PayPal	21:10
SDuensin	Yea. ME! :-P	21:10
+perlDreamer	oh no, there was another	21:10
* scrottie watches a while(...) { $asset->purge } run. always makes ya a little nervous...		21:10
@scrottie	one guy was in here using WebGUI in the industry that ccbill caters to.	21:11
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SDuensin	I had looked at ccbill. Forgot why I didn't mess with them. May have been impatient that day. Those services like to hide their rates.	21:12
@scrottie	If customers have questions or complains, ccbill makes it easy to get a live operator.	21:14
@scrottie	I interviewed with ccbill but their lawyers decided that they couldn't legally hire me =)	21:14
SDuensin	Oh yea? That's nice.	21:14
SDuensin	!??!	21:14
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+perlDreamer	SDuensin, scrottie told you that they make it a point of making it easy to get to a live operator	21:36
+perlDreamer	and scrottie metabolic status is in question	21:36
SDuensin	hehe	21:37
@preaction	WebGUI 8 is officially capable of running plainblack.com	22:03
@preaction	the upgrade worked without a hitch, though it took about 20 minutes, and the site works	22:03
+perlDreamer	helpdesk	22:03
+perlDreamer	karma gifter	22:03
@preaction	not migrated yet	22:03
+perlDreamer	the whole 9 yards?	22:03
@preaction	working on it	22:03
@preaction	but the WebGUI 8 core works	22:03
+perlDreamer	good work!	22:03
+perlDreamer	is it beautiful?	22:03
+perlDreamer	is it blindingly fast?	22:03
@preaction	it is beautiful. it is not blindingly fast, but my laptop is not a production environment	22:04
@pbcj	it's no lie, I saw it	22:05
@preaction	so, now to blog about this, my presentation, and yay!	22:05
SDuensin	WG8 and PayPal in the same day? You guys are an evil tease!	22:20
@preaction	deal with it, tough guy	22:22
SDuensin	:-P	22:23
* SDuensin REALLY needs PayPal subscriptions. Not being able to sell those is keeping his new service offline!		22:23
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, you must not really want it that badly, otherwise you'd write it yourself	22:25
* perlDreamer knows that you can wield an editor		22:25
SDuensin	I can, but I've been up to my eyes in other editors.	22:26
knowmad	I need some advice. I'm trying to implement a random background image (via CSS) into the homepage for a site such that when the page refreshes a random image is displayed	22:33
knowmad	I have this working great using content profiling or even the random asset proxy	22:33
knowmad	however, if i'm not logged in, webgui is caching the image and only refreshing about once a minute	22:34
@preaction	javascript, i'd say	22:34
knowmad	is there any way around this in webgui?	22:34
@preaction	or ads	22:34
knowmad	ohh, i like that idea	22:34
@preaction	ads keep rotating, bypassing the burst cache	22:34
knowmad	thought javascript may be easier to manage	22:35
knowmad	ok, good ones!	22:35
knowmad	thanks	22:35
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb1a5276 / lib/WebGUI/Command.pm : do not buffer command output - http://bit.ly/lTXRrz	23:19
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * re5012d3 / lib/WebGUI/Command/upgrade.pm : App::Cmd options are normalized to lower-case - http://bit.ly/merv9h	23:19
@scrottie	is this another instance of page layouts caching for guests?	23:20
@scrottie	I have a test-less, doc-less fix for that somewhere.	23:20
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, that's exactly what it is	00:00
+perlDreamer	Maybe we should change it from hardcoded, to setting a cache timeout for visitors on the layout, like we do with other assets	00:01
+perlDreamer	then, in 8, we make it a Role	00:01
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SquOnk	Greetings.	00:11
+perlDreamer	howdy SquOnk	00:13
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I have a template question today.	00:13
SquOnk	(customers trying to do strange things)	00:14
+perlDreamer	as customers can sometimes be wont to do	00:14
SquOnk	Yeah, well.	00:14
SquOnk	It's like this:	00:14
@scrottie	yeah, that's what the patch is. configurable cache timeout for guests.	00:14
SquOnk	(let me login to a webgui installation to use the English names)	00:14
SquOnk	perlDreamer: They've added a Gallery and set Default View to List Albums	00:15
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Now, they are working on the Template to List Albums. They want that template to show every photo of every album.	00:16
@preaction	(which reminds me that was a mistake. Album should be able to stand alone)	00:16
SquOnk	perlDreamer: After a quick glance at the Template Help, I suggested something along the lines of...	00:16
SquOnk	<tmpl_loop albums>...<tmpl_loop file_loop>... (use photo vars here) ... </tmpl_loop> ... </tmpl_loop>	00:17
SquOnk	But it doesn't work.	00:18
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kthakore	hi scrottie	00:18
@preaction	it won't, the list albums screen doesn't get the file list	00:18
@preaction	it'd take forever to generate all that	00:18
+perlDreamer	right, read the template variable help	00:18
+perlDreamer	one cannot randomly pick and choose template variables from various templates, mix them in, and expect them to work	00:19
SquOnk	preaction, perlDreamer: So, what would you suggest.	00:19
@preaction	to really fix the Gallery: Album goes away, use Folder instead. Photo goes away, adds its features to Image.	00:19
+perlDreamer	that won't fix it	00:19
@preaction	You could AssetProxy() the albums in	00:19
@preaction	it's a start. people really just want Folders	00:20
+perlDreamer	that might fix it, but then you have to change the template everytime a new album is added	00:20
@preaction	that could be overcome fairly simply, adding a folder would be a function of the Gallery which would set the right template	00:20
SquOnk	We suggested an Album for lack of a better option for what they're trying to do.	00:20
@preaction	they want folders of images, no?	00:20
@preaction	with the features that Gallery provides: resolutions, comments, EXIF, etc...	00:21
SquOnk	preaction: They can get away with what they want using them, I reckon.	00:21
@preaction	in that case, Albums are what they want, but in order to get the actual files, you'd either need a custom Gallery subclass, or some kind of AssetProxy setup	00:21
SquOnk	preaction: They want to build a fancy JS scroller with the front pages of every section of every newspaper each day.	00:21
SquOnk	preaction: So, they are using a Gallery to hold everything, an Album for each newspaper, and a Photo for each section front page.	00:22
SquOnk	preaction: They only need to show the image. They won't be using any of the EXIF properties.	00:22
@preaction	a navigation and AssetProxy maybe?	00:23
@preaction	Folders to organize the Images, a Navigation to display the JS scroller, and AssetProxy to put the image inside the scroller	00:23
@preaction	not sure if that's worse or not	00:23
@preaction	though a Nav should work just as well using Gallery as the container	00:24
SquOnk	preaction: The Navigation will make it impossible for them. They see Navigations as some kind of ju-ju white man's magic thing.	00:24
@preaction	so the Navigation shows the JS scroller of the Gallery	00:24
@preaction	it just lists a bunch of assets, which is what they want	00:24
@preaction	otherwise a custom gallery subclass overriding view_listAlbums to add the album files would work	00:25
+perlDreamer	Don't photos have isHidden hardcoded?	00:25
@preaction	navs can ignore isHidden	00:25
SquOnk	I think it's just a plain Folder.	00:26
SquOnk	...of Folders.	00:26
@preaction	then you'd definitely want a navigation. you can't reach inside the folders that a folder is listing	00:26
SquOnk	A folder of dates in ISO format, with Folders for each newspaper, holding the images for the front pages.	00:26
SquOnk	preaction: Yep.	00:26
@preaction	for the JS bit i mean, otherwise it's perfectly navigable	00:26
@scrottie	oh, hey kthakore	00:27
@preaction	i wish i could tell you there was a JS service you could use, but you don't get that until 8	00:27
SquOnk	preaction: Their JS thing just wants a bulleted list, so yes.	00:27
@preaction	yeah, should work great	00:27
SquOnk	preaction: All right. Let me see how can I explain that to them so their ears don't start bleeding.	00:28
@preaction	i wonder sometimes about replacing most of our asset classes with prototypes, then i take my prozac	00:28
kthakore	scrottie: :p took a while but I won't hold it against you	00:29
@preaction	we don't need a forum, we could use folders of articles!	00:29
SquOnk	lol	00:29
@preaction	a forum is a navigation into a set of folders of articles	00:29
@scrottie	kthakore, yeah, I'm an IRC slob. I'm running irc-II for crying out loud.	00:29
@preaction	could seriously do some crazy stuff with just Layout, Folder, Article, Template, Navigation, File/Image	00:30
@preaction	oh, right, and a JS interface to work with the lot	00:31
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@scrottie	kthakore, have you seen http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Graphics-Primitive-0.60/lib/Graphics/Primitive.pm ? preaction showed that to me.	00:33
@scrottie	pluggability is a nice feature.	00:34
kthakore	scrottie: a little yeah	00:34
kthakore	but haven't used it	00:35
kthakore	or preused it in detail	00:35
kthakore	It interfaces with http://search.cpan.org/~gphat/Graphics-Primitive-Driver-GD-0.01/	00:36
kthakore	so that can't be bad	00:36
kthakore	hi preaction, scrottie made me wander in here with treats.	00:37
@scrottie	ssh. don't tell people I'm dispensing candy.	00:37
@preaction	cookies?	00:40
@scrottie	go away. the van is full.	00:40
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kthakore	can't compile ImageMagick Perl module	01:04
@scrottie	are you a Debian user?	01:04
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@scrottie	if so, do you have the dev versions of the library installed? libmagickcore-dev it might be	01:05
kthakore	yeah	01:10
kthakore	I have that	01:10
kthakore	some mmx instruction problems again	01:10
* kthakore pathces		01:10
@scrottie	not surprised but thought I'd double check.	01:10
kthakore	crap still problems	01:13
kthakore	sigh	01:13
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kthakore	oh wow ImageMagick is so broken	01:22
kthakore	http://search.cpan.org/~jcristy/PerlMagick-6.67/	01:23
kthakore	newest versions only fails	01:23
@scrottie	I would guess that an antique version would work. hrm, I have 6.5.8 here.	01:26
kthakore	ok	01:26
kthakore	doing a manual	01:28
kthakore	cannot find -lperl	01:29
kthakore	wtf ...	01:29
@scrottie	are you running 5.14? if so, Image::Magick was one of the things that wouldn't build against it. tragically, DBD::mysql was another.	01:31
@scrottie	(when I tried it)	01:31
@scrottie	DBD::mysql was easily fixed though	01:32
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kthakore	5.12.2	01:36
kthakore	wow why won't this compile	01:38
kthakore	jeez today is not my day	01:38
kthakore	first house gets broken into then nothing works	01:38
+perlDreamer	maybe they broke perl while they were in there	01:39
kthakore	perlDreamer++ LOL I needed that	01:39
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jimX11	where in webgui8 can I find an example of WebGUI::FormBuilder using addField("Guid", ...) ?	01:45
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jimX11	I'll just hide it using $f->addField("hidden", name => "Guid", value => $guid);	01:54
+perlDreamer	if you set the name to guid, will that still match what DBIx::Class expects?	01:55
kthakore	scrottie: my error now says it can't find -lperl	01:56
kthakore	which is so weird	01:56
@scrottie	hrm. if you have a perlbrew perl, that's not entirely unsurprising.	02:02
jimX11	perlDreamer: No it won't. I'm reading WebGUI::Form::Guid	02:02
@scrottie	which build system is Image::Magick using so that I can avoid that build system in the future? I'm just kidding. ExtUtils all the way.	02:03
@scrottie	fix is build system dependant but quick fix is to just edit the Makefile and correct the LIBS line	02:03
kthakore	..	02:04
@scrottie	to do -L wherrever your prewbrew'd libs dir is	02:04
kthakore	which libs though?	02:04
kthakore	I can't find the libperl.so	02:04
kthakore	all I see is libperl.a	02:04
@scrottie	huh, perlbrew might not have built you one.	02:04
@scrottie	should still work.	02:04
@scrottie	-L/whatever/ -llibperl should find an .a or .so	02:04
@scrottie	assuming /whatever/ actually contains one of the two.	02:05
kthakore	right	02:05
@scrottie	the build system should have extracted perl's own libs directory from the perl itself but you can f just about anything up in software.	02:06
@scrottie	I guess if you really want to cut to the chase, you can do /home/kthakore/lib/or_whatever/libperl.a right in the LIBS= line	02:06
kthakore	did t/usr/bin/ld: /home/kthakore/.perl5/perls/current/lib/5.12.2/x86_64-linux/CORE//libperl.a(op.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `PL_sv_yes' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC	02:08
kthakore	sigh	02:08
kthakore	even the dist perl is giving me trouble	02:08
kthakore	ok so Image::Magick going away needs to happen a lot	02:09
kthakore	heh	02:09
@scrottie	I take issue with putting entire perl installs inside . directories.	02:09
@scrottie	and I don't know what "relocation R_X86_64_32S" is.	02:10
@scrottie	but it kind of suggests that 32 bit and 64 bit code are being linked together, which ain't gunna happen.	02:10
+perlDreamer	that's worse than mixing chocolate and peanut butter!	02:11
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* scrottie frowns		02:17
+perlDreamer	yay! successfully talked to PayPal!	02:18
@scrottie	7.9.13 ... looking at a DataForm... couldn't figure out how to view what was constructed... eventually went and looked it up in the content designers guide. says that the default view (I'm an admin) should have an 'Add a field' link in a bar that I recognize as not having that. ack'd for 'Add a field'; found it in the i18n files. then ack'd for the identifier used in the i18n files and got 0 hits. searched templates in the database, ditto.	02:19
+perlDreamer	you have to be in admin mode	02:20
@scrottie	guess I should read the git log...	02:20
@scrottie	thank perlDreamer.	02:22
@scrottie	would it be redundant to add that to the docs?	02:23
@scrottie	er, the wiki page..?	02:24
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+perlDreamer	scrottie, I think it'd be fine	02:48
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jimX11	html from the method toHtml from WebGUI::FormBuilder looks odd. Maybe I'm not using it properly. The html had a form followed by table rows and table data tags, but no starting table tag or ending table tag.	03:20
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@scrottie	feel free to a paste the code of how you're using it into a gist.	03:36
jimX11	my $f= WebGUI::FormBuilder->new($session);	03:37
jimX11	$f->addField("Integer",	03:37
jimX11	name => 'gauge',	03:37
jimX11	value => 55,	03:37
jimX11	label => 'Gauge',	03:37
jimX11	);	03:37
jimX11	$f->toHtml	03:38
jimX11	and out comes html like this:	03:38
@scrottie	oh, naughty programmer	03:38
@scrottie	paste your code into http://gist.github.com and then tell us the URL.	03:38
jimX11	k	03:39
@scrottie	hrm, trying that snippet there in a mini test program, I'm not seeing that.	03:42
@scrottie	no table goop, at least. it doesn't close the <form>. not sure if it is is supposed to. haven't touched formbuilder in a while.	03:43
jimX11	https://gist.github.com/979927	03:44
jimX11	it does close the form	03:44
jimX11	but I doesn't render properly I think because of the missing table starting and ending tags.	03:45
@scrottie	https://gist.github.com/979928	03:45
@scrottie	jives with the synopsis.	03:47
jimX11	thanks, I'm doing something incorrectly, again.	03:47
@scrottie	hmm? mine didn't work right either.	03:48
jimX11	oh? I'm still looking at it and my code ....	03:49
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jimX11	One point that might be the cause, I'm using WebGUI::FormBuilder from verion 8 but the site it runs on is running 7.9.14.	03:52
jimX11	I pulled in 8 packages from WebGui 8 into 7.9.14.	03:54
jimX11	By pulled, I mean just copied them from lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder in a git check out to the 7.9.14 site.	03:55
jimX11	scrottie: yea, no closing form on yours, maybe it's just a human cut-n-paste error (assuming your human).	04:04
jimX11	your=you're (my bad)	04:11
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@scrottie	uh...	04:42
@scrottie	that requires qualification beyond "FormBuilder isn't working"	04:43
kthakore	hi scrottie	05:06
kthakore	around?	05:06
@scrottie	yup	05:06
@scrottie	sup?	05:06
kthakore	I am having a real big problem with Image::Magick can I ignore that for the rest of WebGUI install?	05:06
jimX11	scrottie: thanks.	05:06
@scrottie	hrm. hmm, hmm, hmm. you can comment it out in a few places, run tests, and note which tests fail (they would fail when they try to create an instance of the Image::Magick object but the use lines were commented out)	05:08
@scrottie	so you'd be replacing it with something else without having it as a reference. but that's not impossible.	05:08
@scrottie	still, if the only problem is some library linking thing, that kinda puts it in Linux turf, not even ImageMagick or Perl build system turf.	05:08
@scrottie	I should also note the idea of replacing it isn't trivial	05:11
kthakore	yep notice that	05:11
@scrottie	it gets used to crop images, rotate them, make thumbnails... nothing too serious but uses of it are littered around	05:11
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jimX11	I've never used a post with a get at the same time. Will that work? the get part is where the url had 'func=foo' which is in the action of the form, but the form uses POST. Maybe instead the func=foo should just be a hidden variable?	06:26
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@scrottie	it isn't a POST and GET at the same time... you're only doing one or the other... and you'd be doing a POST in this case. yes, you can do a POST to a URL with a ?foo=bar on the end of it.	07:08
@scrottie	and it usually works correctly but the server does have a chance to botch it	07:08
@scrottie	classic ASP distinguishes whether data arrived in the body or as a parameter on the URL	07:09
jimX11	scrottie: what does WebGUI do?	07:09
@scrottie	does not distinguish between the two	07:09
@scrottie	mixing them together.	07:09
jimX11	I think Firefox is inserting the td and tr junk. So mixing works, ok.	07:09
@scrottie	that sounds unlikely.	07:10
@scrottie	you can always 'warn' the output of FormBuilder and read it at the console	07:10
jimX11	yea, the tr's and td's are in text from a simple test.	07:12
jimX11	I think it's the mixing of 8 and 7.9.14. Also my git check out of 8 was a bit stale I found out.	07:12
@scrottie	you haven't fixed that problem?	07:13
jimX11	I haven't found out why there are td's and tr's in the html from the toHtml method, no.	07:13
jimX11	but, I've noticed another problem, that may be related. The form doesn't do anything when I hit the submit button.	07:14
@scrottie	I think you really want the latest WebGUI 8 code here	07:15
jimX11	Ok. I'll copy over the updated files I just got from git.	07:15
jimX11	using subversion I can do a "svn status" what is the equivalent in git? So I know what version I'm using.	07:16
jimX11	sorry, I meant the equivalent of "svn info"	07:17
@scrottie	I don't remember svn	07:20
@scrottie	you might try 'git status' though	07:21
@scrottie	what info do you want out of git?	07:21
jimX11	I want to know what "version" of webgui 8 I have.	07:22
@scrottie	git itself doesn't do version... it hash commit hashes	07:23
@scrottie	so there's two ways to do that. you can speak in terms of the hash of the last commit you see in 'git log', or you figure do 'git tag' and see what tags there are	07:24
@scrottie	man git-tag	07:24
jimX11	ok	07:24
@scrottie	I don't think things in the WebGUI 8 branch have been tagged	07:25
@scrottie	so you'll just get a lot of 7.x.x tags	07:25
@scrottie	for 8, you'll have to speak in terms of hashes until there's an alpha and then beta	07:25
jimX11	just did git tag, right lots of 7.x.x branches. How can I see the hash I'm currently using?	07:25
jimX11	oh, git log is what you said.	07:27
jimX11	that works.	07:27
@scrottie	tags just take you to a particular commit hash	07:27
@scrottie	which represents a point in history	07:27
@scrottie	'git tag' lists them. you can check one out, then you'll be on that tag. you can create new tags. that's all I know about that.	07:28
jimX11	a little like a branch in subversion. or a tag in cvs.	07:28
jimX11	git log was what I wanted. Thanks.	07:28
@scrottie	kind of. git has a few things going... it also has branches.	07:29
@scrottie	tags aren't the most used git feature...	07:29
jimX11	FormBuilder has had some changes recently according to the log, using the latest version might help.	07:29
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+Radix_	I'm still yet to learn git properly - but these might be handy - http://progit.org/book/ and http://mislav.uniqpath.com/2010/07/git-tips/	09:42
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+Radix_	Ahh... silly me.. he's no longer here anyway	09:57
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kthakore	morning	14:47
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+BartJol	morning	15:39
jimX11	BarJol:howdy	15:44
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SquOnk	Greetings.	15:51
SquOnk	I'm changing the Display Template for an Asset Report. I started out with the Default, and the Assets I want are there.	15:51
SquOnk	The Assets have some metadata properties I want listed in the report.	15:51
SquOnk	According to the Template Help, inside the asset_loop I can use asset_info to get access to the particular Asset's info.	15:52
SquOnk	I thought of using it to access the metadata fields, but it didn't work.	15:52
SquOnk	I started looking at the code in AssetReport.pm and I can't find any references to the asset_info field. Maybe I'm missing something?	15:53
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SquOnk	In any case, how can I access the metadata fields of an Asset that's listed by an Asset Report?	15:53
+BartJol	isn't that included with extraHeadTags?	16:00
SquOnk	BartJol: My own metadata fields? How would I go about fetching them? extraHeadTags.name-of-my-field?	16:02
+BartJol	mmm, maybe not, sorry, bit short on time, as I get bugged by australians	16:04
SquOnk	BartJol: Thanks anyway :-)	16:05
SquOnk	And I have to go to class in 20 mins.	16:05
+BartJol	give or follow?	16:05
SquOnk	BartJol: Give.	16:12
SquOnk	BartJol: Actually an exam.	16:12
SquOnk	BartJol: 20%	16:12
SquOnk	Well, the code in AssetReport.pm is calling WebGUI::Asset->get on each Asset included in the report.	16:13
SquOnk	As far as I can see W::A->get does not return the metadata field.	16:13
SquOnk	Since the metadata fields are available on every template (and, in fact, the Report metadata fields are available), I think an indirection is needed.	16:14
SquOnk	Otherwise, I'm unable to use the metadata fields of Assets listed by an Asset Report.	16:14
SquOnk	Would that be a bug or an RFE?	16:15
SquOnk	'cause it's the current show-stopper for production :-)	16:15
SquOnk	Well, gotta go. I think there's a quick fix for it, and perhaps will try later.	16:16
+BartJol	I'm afraid it is an RFE,	16:16
SquOnk	Hopefully preaction_ will read the backlog.	16:16
SquOnk	BartJol: I can see it both ways.	16:17
SquOnk	BartJol: Thanks for your time. I've got to go pick up the exams at the Department.	16:17
SquOnk	See you guys later.	16:17
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kthakore	scrottie: morning. Around?	17:01
SDuensin	Morning at last! I get to work this morning, and just as I reach the gate, they CLOSE THE BASE! Arrgh!	17:13
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jimX11	How does WebGUI::Test know where the config file is? I have a $session from WebGUI::Test, but it doesn't know where the config is. Is it an environmental variable?	17:19
+BartJol	I believe you set that first in your env, I seem to recaal something like that	17:19
jimX11	I want to do this from a test: $session->config->get('dsn');	17:19
+BartJol	but it is a year ago	17:20
jimX11	BartJol: ok.	17:20
jimX11	BartJol: yea, that's it. WEBGUI_CONFIG	17:20
+BartJol	that one	17:21
+BartJol	my memory stills works!!!!!!!!!	17:21
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jimX11	BartJol: fault tolerant memory, sweet.	17:31
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kthakore	Is anyone trying webgui8 from git? I am getting a weird error runing the server.	17:32
jimX11	I pulled it from git, but I'm not running it from git. Is it a git pull question?	17:36
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kthakore	jimX11: no	17:42
kthakore	jimX11: I set it up just how the README mentioned	17:42
kthakore	I used the etc/WebGUI.conf.original as the configuration with wgd	17:43
kthakore	then I copied the www/examples to the domain... so on	17:43
kthakore	but I am getting this error when I run it with plack	17:43
kthakore	Can't use string ("") as a subroutine ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kthakore/.perl5/perls/perl-5.12.2/lib/site_perl/5.12.2/Plack/App/URLMap.pm line 71	17:43
jimX11	kthakore: while you might get git help from me, you won't get any useful plack from me. Sorry.	17:49
kthakore	jimX11: can you get webgui8 running ?	17:54
+BartJol	mmm, too long ago I installed that	17:55
jimX11	kthakore: no, I'm sort of backporting a package from webgui8 to webgui7. So my only work with webgui8 is pulling package from it and puttin them in 7	17:55
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kthakore	ok	17:55
kthakore	well it is seriously broke	17:55
* kthakore hunts the plack interfaces		17:56
kthakore	preaction_: around?	17:56
+perlDreamer	'tis a little early for preaction_	17:56
+perlDreamer	statistically speaking of course	17:56
kthakore	ok	17:58
kthakore	hmm	17:58
kthakore	sigh found it	17:59
kthakore	unmet deps	17:59
kthakore	nope great ... w/e	18:00
+perlDreamer	did you run the testEnvironment.pl script to check for dependencies?	18:02
kthakore	yeah	18:02
+perlDreamer	and it missed the dependency?	18:02
kthakore	some how	18:02
kthakore	HTML::Template::Expr Geo::Coder::Googlev3	18:03
kthakore	I am checking my logs	18:03
kthakore	I think I might have closed the terminal by accident	18:03
kthakore	anyway it still doesn't fix the server problem	18:03
+perlDreamer	HTML::Template::Expr is supposed to be optional, but I think it's actually not since you have to load WebGUI::Asset::Template::HTMLTemplateExpr	18:06
+perlDreamer	and Geo::Coder::Googlev3 is required and is checked by testE	18:06
kthakore	Here is my stack output http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105564	18:09
+perlDreamer	wow, so core WebGUI 8 requires Devel::StackTrace and a bunch of others?	18:29
+perlDreamer	normally those things are made optional for developers	18:29
+perlDreamer	bunch == 2...	18:29
kthakore	perlDreamer: I give up for now ... gonna work on something else. If you are trying webGUI8 can you let me know if it works for you?	18:31
+perlDreamer	sure, I'll do that after i get through depenedency problems	18:32
kthakore	oh have fun with that ... that took me a while	18:32
+perlDreamer	ha! done	18:32
+perlDreamer	when I run plackup app.psgi	18:32
+perlDreamer	I get no errors/warnings or anything	18:32
+perlDreamer	hm, but there are CSS based rendering problems with the Underground style	18:34
kthakore	aw man	18:39
kthakore	can you tell me how you set it up?	18:39
kthakore	what config file do you use?	18:39
+perlDreamer	I have a standard one that I use for all my development	18:39
+perlDreamer	the the URL Mapping should be autogenerated	18:39
+perlDreamer	check to see if you have any bad config files in /data/WebGUI/etc	18:40
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kthakore	ok	18:50
kthakore	perlDreamer: where is /data/WebGUI I mean	18:50
kthakore	I just run it in the git dir	18:50
+perlDreamer	last I checked, WebGUI still had to be run out of /data	18:51
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105567	18:52
kthakore	oh!	18:52
kthakore	I need to move it ot /data ?	18:52
kthakore	sigh so I have to run it as root?	18:52
+perlDreamer	preaction, is that still true? Is WebGUI locked into /data/?	18:52
@preaction	perlDreamer: 8 isn't, WebGUI::Paths gets rid of it	18:56
+perlDreamer	okay	18:56
+perlDreamer	any clue as to this wackiness of kthakore's about null plackurl maps?	18:57
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5229413 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): -0.00 ne 0.00. Handle both cases of ~0 when checking out to intercept and finish the transaction immediately. - http://bit.ly/jZW23s	18:59
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r436c894 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/PayDriver_ExpressCheckout.pm : Fix copy/paste errors from other i18n modules into ExpressCheckout. - http://bit.ly/iNCDaU	19:00
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r8750b18 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): -0.00 ne 0.00. Handle both cases of ~0 when checking out to intercept and finish the transaction immediately. - http://bit.ly/iALKt6	19:00
@preaction	no, i'd say try to run the test suite and see what happens	19:00
kthakore	ok	19:01
@preaction	there are a few tests that go through the entire process	19:01
jimX11	kthakore: do you have root access? If so, maybe just link /data to your 8 repo?	19:01
kthakore	jimX11: yeah I was trying that	19:01
kthakore	preaction: um do I just do prove -t for the tests?	19:02
@preaction	yes, after setting the WEBGUI_CONFIG env variable to the webgui config file	19:02
@preaction	or you could get wgdev and do "wgd test"	19:02
kthakore	ok	19:03
* jimX11 never used the -t flag in prove.		19:03
kthakore	what should WEBUI_CONFIG point to?	19:03
@preaction	the webgui config file you created	19:03
kthakore	etc/WebGUI.conf.original ?	19:03
kthakore	I was trying to run the example provided	19:04
@preaction	no, you need a copy of that config file with dsn, dbuser, and dbpass set correctly	19:04
+perlDreamer	ah, that would explain it	19:05
kthakore	ok	19:06
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kthakore	is it possible to use postgreSQL instead of MySQL?	19:07
@preaction	probably not	19:09
kthakore	ok	19:12
kthakore	where is the mysql .sql I should load ?	19:12
@preaction	for 8, share/create.sql	19:12
@preaction	for 7, docs/create.sql	19:12
kthakore	ah that is why	19:13
* kthakore facepalms		19:14
kthakore	ok thanks	19:14
@preaction	kinda weird error message for that though. perhaps we need to trap it somehow...	19:14
kthakore	indeed	19:14
@preaction	oh. now i get it. there were no config files that app.psgi recognized to load site.psgi into the mapper	19:14
@preaction	so somehow a "" got put in there, and then treated as a subref	19:15
kthakore	well it is with $script_name	19:15
kthakore	parameter to the Middleware	19:15
kthakore	what is the default config filename webgui looks for?	19:15
@preaction	there is none	19:15
kthakore	hmm what about just throwing a missing config file HTML content	19:16
@preaction	each site needs its own config file, so it checks a directory	19:16
@preaction	yeah, that's gonna be the most likely scenario "No config files, bailing out"	19:16
@preaction	or "Cannot connect to database, bailing out"	19:16
jimX11	WebGUI::Form::Combo adds _new when a new option is picked. Any way to turn that off? DBIx::Class takes handles update or insert for me.	19:17
@preaction	probably not, you'll just have to filter it a bit for now	19:18
jimX11	ok	19:18
kthakore	or /win 2	19:34
kthakore	preaction: the create.sql I used seems to be missing a coloumn for one of the tables, based on the test. Also a lot of the tests are failing due to that reason.	19:37
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105570	19:37
kthakore	should I add that coloumn?	19:37
kthakore	Unknown column 'privacyFields' in 'field list'	19:37
kthakore	omfg I still get the same error. The DB is set up and everything!	19:41
* kthakore cries		19:41
carogray	Hi all, is the only asset in WebGUI that has RSS - collaboration system - I have never understood Thingy but Thingy looks like a way we could present all court forms and users could search by form name, number, title, court where form is used, updated/revision date etc.	19:41
carogray	Thingy doesn't have RSS feed does it?	19:42
+perlDreamer	nope	19:45
+perlDreamer	Syndicated Content has RSS feeds	19:45
+perlDreamer	Gallery has RSS feeds	19:45
+perlDreamer	but not Thingy	19:46
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kthakore	I guess I should take a break now ... been trying this for too long	19:47
carogray	huh - is syndicated content ...like collaboration system?	19:47
+perlDreamer	nope	19:47
carogray	given my description of need for searchable database of forms what would you suggest would be the best approach?	19:47
+perlDreamer	carogray, the Content Manager's Guide wiki on webgui.org covers most of the Assets	19:47
carogray	ok	19:47
+perlDreamer	oh, I'd go Thingy all the way	19:48
+perlDreamer	especially if you use 7.10	19:48
+perlDreamer	since Thingy can use the WebGUI Search, instead of just its own built in one	19:48
carogray	what about "publishing"	19:48
carogray	so other sites could update their forms based on our database?	19:49
+perlDreamer	Thingy has an AJAX interface for remote access, but you may run into privilege problems with it	19:50
+perlDreamer	that would require writing a bunch o' JavaScript, of course	19:51
carogray	ok - just wondering... the first step is to get the database and then maybe down the line we can figure out how to publish. will keep in mind your suggestions to pass along to someone more erudite in these matters than yours truly.	19:55
+perlDreamer	well, you know that if you need extra programming, support, javascripting,templating etc. that Plain Black would be happy to help out.	19:56
+perlDreamer	there's only so much you can do via an IRC channel	19:56
carogray	right - thanks so much.	19:57
@preaction	kthakore: right, because create.sql is the un-upgraded sql (because 8 has not technically been released)	20:03
@preaction	create.sql is built by our build process, and since there hasn't yet been a build of 8, it's 7.10.15 (the last merge i did)	20:03
@preaction	but that's easy: sbin/webgui.pl upgrade --doit --skipBackup	20:04
kthakore	ugh it wants me to be superuser	20:14
kthakore	sigh	20:14
+perlDreamer	kthakore, that's usually due to write permission on the log file, or the uploads directory	20:17
+perlDreamer	log file is chosen in WebGUI/etc/log.conf	20:17
+perlDreamer	uploadsPath is in the WebGUI config file itself	20:18
@preaction	i think upgrade explicitly checks for superuser	20:18
+perlDreamer	isn't there a switch for that?	20:18
@preaction	perhaps, webgui.pl help upgrade might show it	20:18
+perlDreamer	--override in upgrade.pl	20:18
+perlDreamer	no idea about webgui.pl	20:19
+perlDreamer	you know, when you release 8, I'm going to be pretty useless	20:19
@preaction	why?	20:19
+perlDreamer	well, so much has changed and I've either forgotten it or haven't learned it yet	20:20
+perlDreamer	like WebGUI::Paths	20:20
+perlDreamer	webgui.pl	20:20
+perlDreamer	plack	20:20
+perlDreamer	that's probably just the tip of the iceberg	20:20
kthakore	I mangaged it	20:20
kthakore	I ran the upgrade	20:20
kthakore	but there is no change to share/create.sql	20:20
+perlDreamer	<insert quote re Yoda and taking students who are too old>	20:20
@preaction	it doesn't change create.sql, it changes the site's databases	20:21
@preaction	the idea being that during development, create.sql + upgrade = bleeding edge version (so we can test the upgrade)	20:21
kthakore	ah ok	20:21
@preaction	wgdev's build tool would create the create.sql	20:22
+perlDreamer	that's something else we need to double check before the release, is the wgdev build process	20:23
+perlDreamer	and that's not going to be simple, since it'll have to work for both 7.x and 8.x for a while	20:23
+perlDreamer	maybe it won't be too bad	20:25
+perlDreamer	release wg8 will need a functional 8.x codebase though, while 7.x can use the bundled wgd	20:26
+perlDreamer	Haarg, I had a case the other day where wgdev needed Try::Tiny. It doesn't seem to be bundled.	20:26
+perlDreamer	this was a 7.7 install, so it didn't have it installed for core requirements	20:26
kthakore	How do I tell webgui to use my conf file when I start it in plackup?	20:29
@preaction	app.psgi loads all the configs	20:30
kthakore	right I get that	20:31
kthakore	I have a WebGUI.conf file	20:31
kthakore	I set that to WEBGUI_CONF and run plack	20:31
@preaction	in the same directory as WebGUI.conf.original?	20:31
kthakore	now I do	20:32
kthakore	IT WORKS!	20:32
kthakore	ok great!	20:32
kthakore	now to see how to swap out Image::Magick for GD/Cairo/Graphics::PRimitives	20:33
+perlDreamer	Image::Magick is used by...	20:35
+perlDreamer	Asset/Image, Storage, Asset/File/GalleryFile, Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo,	20:35
+perlDreamer	Image.pm and sub-classes	20:35
+perlDreamer	those are the places to check	20:36
kthakore	perlDreamer: great thanks. I was thinking of refactoring out Image::Magick out to WebGUI::Graphics first	20:38
kthakore	then start swapping out Image::Magick there	20:39
+perlDreamer	hm, we're trying to avoid wrapper classes like that nowadays	20:39
+perlDreamer	they almost cause more problems than they're worth	20:39
+perlDreamer	for example, we don't wrap Plack::Response or Request, we sub-class and extend them	20:39
+perlDreamer	instead of wrapping CHI, we just use it directly	20:39
@preaction	Graphics::Primitive should be the wrapper class, is what i think	20:40
+perlDreamer	will it dispatch to others?	20:40
@preaction	then we can provide a way to configure it from the config file	20:40
@preaction	yes, Graphics::Primitive supports drivers for GD and Cairo/Pango	20:40
@preaction	no support for IM yet, but if it did, then everyone could get everything	20:40
@preaction	though making WebGUI::Graphics use Graphics::Primitive would be fine to start	20:41
kthakore	I didn't plan on keeping WebGUI::Graphics around	20:42
kthakore	I wanted to ensure everything is in one place to handle first	20:42
kthakore	then I can experiment with GD/Cairo easily	20:42
kthakore	what do you think?	20:42
@preaction	ah, mais oui	20:42
@preaction	sounds a good plan	20:42
kthakore	ok I will have my results on github soon.	20:43
kthakore	btw I seem to have lost the admin page :(	20:43
kthakore	can't find the turn admin on link	20:43
@preaction	did you login?	20:44
@preaction	if I'm reading this correctly, we can use Thingy to create DBIx::Class::Result objects http://www.modernperlbooks.com/mt/2011/05/testing-dbix-models-without-the-database.html	20:48
+perlDreamer	what's the advantage of that?	20:49
@preaction	a single, unified interface to both DBIC objects and Thingy data	20:50
+perlDreamer	but who is using DBIC in WebGUI?	20:51
@preaction	jimX11?	20:51
+perlDreamer	hm	20:51
+perlDreamer	that would be a complete refactoring of that new asset, wouldn't it?	20:52
@preaction	and my idea that the website should be able to have a bunch of schemas, including content-manager-created ones	20:52
+perlDreamer	I mean, are you proposing slaving the Thingy to these DBIC schemas?	20:52
@preaction	not slaving, co-existing	20:52
+perlDreamer	sounds like something we should keep in mind for the 8.x rework of Thingy :)	20:53
@preaction	exactly	20:53
kthakore	yeah I logged in	20:57
@preaction	try ?op=admin then?	21:03
kthakore	yeah tried that	21:06
kthakore	no luck	21:06
kthakore	the log shows	21:07
kthakore	Could not load WebGUI::Macro::AdminBar because Can't locate WebGUI/Macro/AdminBar.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib t/lib	21:08
kthakore	there is no AdminBar ... in lib	21:08
@preaction	hm.. it shouldn't be trying to	21:12
@preaction	and that shouldn't prevent the page from loading, anything else in there?	21:12
+perlDreamer	AdminBar is still in WebGUI.conf.original	21:14
kthakore	in the log?	21:14
+perlDreamer	so any newly generated conf file will have them, too	21:14
kthakore	preaction: I have to get. Nothing in the log after I comment out AdminBar	21:17
@preaction	change etc/log.conf "ERROR" to "INFO" and try again maybe?	21:17
@preaction	i'll fix the AdminBar problem	21:17
+perlDreamer	should probably check for other outdated entries in there	21:20
@preaction	already did	21:21
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * raf2abb7 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : fix outdated macros in conf.original - http://bit.ly/lQWcGY	21:21
jimX11	preaction: I'm on a conf call ...	21:52
kthakore	preaction: thanks	22:12
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kthakore	preaction: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105575	22:23
+perlDreamer	that looks like the upgrade may not have run successfully	22:29
+perlDreamer	running the upgrade should remove all instances of the AdminBar macro from all templates	22:32
jimX11	preaction: I'm all ears, if you need my ear.	22:32
@preaction	yeah, and install the template that newById is looking for	22:32
@preaction	jimX11: no, i was telling perlDreamer that you were using DBIC in WebGUI	22:32
jimX11	preaction: ok	22:33
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SquOnk	Greetings	22:53
+perlDreamer	what's shakin', SquOnk?	22:54
* perlDreamer goes running.		22:56
SquOnk	preaction: Did you read the backlog this morning?	23:21
@preaction	no	23:21
* scrottie was out... doctors appointment (I never do that...)		23:27
@preaction	SquOnk: that's an RFE, and it should be a single line change. let me find where it would be	23:27
@scrottie	kthakore, you didn't run upgrades.	23:28
@scrottie	kthakore, if the install instructions are wrong, I want to know about it. if you just didn't read them, uh, that's a different matter.	23:28
@scrottie	I told you to read the install notes twice and then repeated that particular bit of it too.	23:29
@preaction	SquOnk: 175 of lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/AssetReport.pm push(@{$var->{'asset_loop'}}, { %{$returnAsset->get}, %{$returnAsset->getMetaDataAsTemplateVariables} });	23:29
@preaction	test it out, put it in a patch, and we'll include it	23:29
SquOnk	preaction: That's what I patched :-)	23:31
SquOnk	preaction: Will test and RFE tonight. I believe it will make it into 7.10, but NOT into 7.9, right?	23:31
@preaction	correct	23:31
SquOnk	preaction: Good. It's a one line patch, so my customer can live with that.	23:32
SquOnk	preaction: One question, though.	23:32
SquOnk	preaction: If I understand correctly, that will bring the Asset Metadata properties only in the asset_loop scope, thus shadowing the Asset Report's metadata fields. Am I right?	23:33
@preaction	inside the loop, yes	23:33
@preaction	if you used a TT template, you could get around that	23:33
SquOnk	preaction: Good.	23:34
SquOnk	preaction: Works like a charm, my friend.	23:38
@preaction	sweet	23:38
@scrottie	preaction: RFC: WebGUI8 should automatically run any outstanding upgrades when launched, to keep people like myself and kthakore from failing to correct run upgrades and make upgrading it as easy as doing a git pull / restart.	23:38
@scrottie	correctly	23:38
Haarg	it currently doesn't know which upgrades have been run because it keeps track of that by version number	23:39
@scrottie	right. if the version number of WebGUI doesn't match the version in the database, it needs to run upgrades.	23:40
@scrottie	so, rephrasing, should automatically run upgrades when launched if db and code version don't match	23:40
Haarg	yeah, but that won't handle the case you mentioned, because doing git pull wouldn't change your version number	23:41
@scrottie	WebGUI8 doesn't have releases yet. is that the only problem? even then, it would notice that 7.10.x ne 8	23:41
@scrottie	developers will have to deal with this until 8 starts getting subversions.	23:42
@preaction	yes, which is soon	23:42
@scrottie	except for that pesky first-8 run	23:42
Haarg	if you are developing on 8, then your db version is already at 8	23:42
@preaction	or we could even just bail out if the db version and the code version don't match	23:42
@scrottie	Haarg, unless you loaded the create.sql that comes with 8	23:42
@scrottie	that's an option too, but I'm imagining this streamlined auto-update feature so that we're not plagued with pathologically antique .dpkgs	23:43
Haarg	but in that case you know that upgrades are needed	23:43
@preaction	i worry about doing things automatically that could destroy sites if done wrongly or unnecessarily	23:44
Haarg	if you are already importing create.sql, just change your process to also do an upgrade	23:44
@preaction	wgd reset does exactly that, even	23:44
@scrottie	how about this. if your versions don't match, it asks you for credit card number, takes out a large life insurance policy on you, and then emails the Russian mafia.	23:44
@preaction	change that to email me, and you've got a deal	23:44
@preaction	i do desperately need a new fur coat	23:44
Haarg	i think having the psgi bail out of the version numbers don't match would make sense	23:44
* scrottie nods		23:45
@scrottie	okay.	23:45
Haarg	well maybe not bail out	23:45
Haarg	but do something	23:45
Haarg	because when you are upgrading you want it to be able to show the maintenance page	23:45
@scrottie	we could do an environment variable... WEBGUI_VERSION_OVERRIDE	23:45
SquOnk	preaction: There you go, RFEd	23:46
@preaction	danke, SquOnk	23:46
@scrottie	default to failing on startup on mismatch but allow override	23:46
@scrottie	people could always change the version in the db too.	23:46
Haarg	this is something that server admins will have to deal with often though, so making it annoying would be bad	23:47
@scrottie	if the versions don't match, it should be a matter of running upgrades.	23:48
Haarg	alternatively, have it store the current version in settings all the time and show the maint page based on that	23:48
@scrottie	I wanted to do that automatically =P	23:48
@scrottie	the maint page needs a "turn admin on!" link.	23:48
@scrottie	(yes, I know, but still, seeing the maint page is just going to confuse people)	23:48
Haarg	it already does that during upgrade but having it just always there would be fine as well	23:49
Haarg	basically, using version numbers alone, there isn't any way to detect if upgrades are required when doing dev work. so i pretty much always just do wgd reset.	23:50
@scrottie	yeah, that's fine for dev.	23:50
Haarg	having it fail in a friendlier way would be good though	23:50
+perlDreamer	no tests on that AssetReport RFE?	23:52
@scrottie	sounds like false positives aren't really a problem (if upgrades do run, the version numbers will match). false negatives (it doesn't think you need to do upgrades because versions match, but really you're adding changes to a version) only happens in dev. file.	23:52
@scrottie	fine.	23:53
@scrottie	this doesn't have to be perfect, only an improvement, and it can be improved again later.	23:54
@scrottie	nothing in code is ever perfect.	23:54
CIA-82	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r0ff9ffb / Changes :	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: v0.1105190	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: - add missing Try::Tiny prereq	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: - fix to directory copy code	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: - add overwrite option to package importing	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: - improve package importing error reporting	23:59
CIA-82	wgdev: - improve script packing (+6 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/jhnkPd	23:59
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+perlDreamer	Thanks Haarg!	00:03
+perlDreamer	you rock	00:03
SquOnk	Well, gotta go.	00:11
SquOnk	preaction: Thanks again.	00:11
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kthakore	hi scrottie ok this is what I had to do to get webGUI8 to work	02:54
kthakore	scrottie: 3) $ wgd reset --upgrade -F etc/WebGUI.conf	02:54
kthakore	then I had to drop the db and run create.sql again on it	02:54
@scrottie	good. yeah, that runs upgrades, which fixes that.	02:54
@scrottie	okay, bad.	02:55
kthakore	yeah which I didn't get why	02:55
kthakore	:(	02:55
@scrottie	database changes are the vast majority of what upgrades do.	02:55
kthakore	ok	02:55
@scrottie	upgrades change stuff in the database and config file, but mostly in the database.	02:55
@scrottie	run upgrades again to avoid futher problems... wgd reset --upgrade	02:55
kthakore	right but with the -F tag	02:55
kthakore	it doesn't listen to WEBGUI_CONF	02:55
@scrottie	you should have WBGUI_ROOT=/whereever	02:56
@scrottie	yeah, gotta do WEBGUI_ROOT I think.	02:56
kthakore	ah	02:56
kthakore	that is not in the README	02:56
kthakore	'The site psgi file uses the WEBGUI_CONFIG environment variable to find the config.'	02:56
Haarg	it's probably easiest to set WEBGUI_CONF to the full path of the config	02:56
kthakore	that is all I see	02:56
Haarg	WEBGUI_ROOT is a wgd thing	02:56
@scrottie	yeah, was just looking at the README	02:57
kthakore	scrottie: ok so it was just ambiougous then. Just add 'full path to config' for WEBGUI_CONF	02:57
kthakore	?	02:57
@scrottie	docs/install.txt has it	02:57
kthakore	ah ok	02:57
kthakore	I didn't know if to read that	02:58
kthakore	ok also there are some template breakage I don't know how to fix	02:58
kthakore	preaction told me to install template stuff for these WARNS/ERRORS http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105575	02:59
Haarg	kthakore, are you just trying to get a stock webgui 8 install going?	02:59
kthakore	it looks at /home/crystalx but I dont have that	02:59
kthakore	Haarg: the github, so I can work on swapping Image::Magick out for GD or Cairo	03:00
kthakore	just some example website is all I need	03:00
Haarg	ok	03:00
@scrottie	yeah, the upgrade script takes the Macro::AdminBar out of your config file.	03:00
Haarg	so you have your database set up and in the config file. what about uploads?	03:00
@scrottie	it is no longer a macro in WebGUI8.	03:00
@scrottie	I had the same problem.	03:00
@scrottie	uploads is in doc/install.txt now.	03:01
kthakore	scrottie: I am not sure what that means. macro for /home/crystalx stuff?	03:01
@scrottie	to support extension, a lot of plug-in-y stuff gets registered in the config file, including "macros".	03:02
Haarg	basically, if you have a config file with a database and uploads set up, you should be able to run	03:02
Haarg	wgd reset --dev	03:02
@scrottie	macros get parsed out of templates and other stuff, code run, and the output replaced in	03:02
Haarg	and get everything working	03:02
@scrottie	I think a "Content Handler" replaces it.	03:03
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kthakore	ok	03:04
kthakore	is having spectre.pl running necessary?	03:04
@scrottie	not really	03:04
@scrottie	not for dev	03:04
@scrottie	in the admin tab, there's a "workflows" thing. the stuff in there that runs peroidically won't run without it, fwiw.	03:05
kthakore	Haarg: thanks for the wgd reset --dev tip!	03:07
Haarg	we really need a site creation script, it's just been low priority because the people working on stuff already have things set up	03:08
kthakore	ok 'Turn Admin On!' is still not working for me	03:09
@scrottie	oh, heck... there's a .pl in there that fires up a web server that sets up the WRE by templating stuff into place, including httpd.conf	03:09
@scrottie	... but it's terrible	03:09
Haarg	yeah the wre's stuff for that isn't great, and it really needs to be in webgui itself	03:10
@scrottie	kthakore, remind me where you're at exactly? you loaded a new database, ran upgrades...	03:10
kthakore	scrottie: almost all of docs/install.pl except for spectre.pland wgd reset --dev is done	03:11
@scrottie	scripts to maintain httpd.conf are as old as web hosting itself...	03:11
@scrottie	the art has not advanced.	03:11
@scrottie	wgd reset --upgrade ... has this been done?	03:11
@scrottie	if not, it shouldn't hurt to do it again	03:11
Haarg	--dev includes that	03:12
@scrottie	thought maybe he upgraded but didn't do --dev yet for some reason	03:12
@scrottie	okay. admin is not going to work until you upgrade. the create.sql and .conf you get are for a 7.10.x. they aren't for 8.0	03:12
@scrottie	and it's probably better that way. the upgrade path should be well tested going into an 8.0 release.	03:13
kthakore	running the upgrade gets warnings like	03:14
kthakore	Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /home/kth	03:14
@scrottie	hrm.	03:14
kthakore	admin worked	03:14
kthakore	I did absolute paths in the config file	03:15
@scrottie	good.	03:15
kthakore	I was doing relatives before	03:15
@scrottie	did you ever get Image::Magick working, out of curiosity?	03:15
kthakore	yeah	03:15
* scrottie nods		03:15
kthakore	loads of black magic	03:15
kthakore	I had to compile it against Debian's libperl manually	03:16
kthakore	then patch it for mmx and 64bit	03:16
kthakore	which was pointlessly wasteful	03:16
kthakore	as it was only having that problem with my architecture .... so I can't even give the module a patch to add	03:17
@scrottie	on my long list of things to do, I want to do a ccpp -- pure perl C compiler that translates .c, .h etc into perl so you can build XS stuff even without a C compiler toolchain. for linking, I'd use chromatic's NCBI or whatever it's called.	03:17
kthakore	oh ... yeah that will be a long long long list of todo	03:17
@scrottie	no kidding.	03:17
* kthakore shudders		03:17
@scrottie	yikes.	03:18
kthakore	ok how do i add a bunch of content/plugins to use the Image functionality of WebGUI8	03:18
kthakore	sorry I haven't use WebGUI8 before	03:18
@scrottie	s'ok	03:18
@preaction	Poll uses the most of WebGUI::Graphics	03:19
@scrottie	there's some ImageGallery stuff too	03:19
@preaction	otherwise Image assets create thumbnails using the methods in WebGUI::Storage	03:19
@scrottie	in the admin bar, there's a New Content tab. you have to add these things (Poll, Image Gallery, etc) from there.	03:19
@scrottie	it gives you a screen to configure the thing then adds it asa child of the page you're currently looking at (which works best if you're looking at something that is a Page Layout).	03:19
@scrottie	I'm not sure how good test coverage currently is but I'd be happy to write some tests for you.	03:20
kthakore	ok	03:21
kthakore	great ... I ran into another bug/config issue	03:21
kthakore	I do New Content->Basic->Poll	03:21
kthakore	and nothing happens	03:22
kthakore	clicking any of the edit buttons doesn't do anything either	03:22
@scrottie	does your browser's developer widgetplexdealie have any information about .js files it failed to find/load?	03:23
kthakore	Couldn't call method www_edit on asset for url: /home Root cause: Can't locate object method "getValue" via package	03:23
kthakore	that is the error	03:23
@preaction	oh humph	03:23
@preaction	one sec	03:23
kthakore	WebGUI::Asset::dispatch[759] Couldn't call method www_edit on asset for url: /home Root cause: Can't locate object method "getValue" via package "WebGUI::Asset::RichEdit" at lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm line 517.	03:24
@preaction	do a pull and it should be fixed	03:24
@scrottie	you should get a delightful enhanced Plack::Middleware::StackTrace if things blow up and you have developer mode on	03:24
@preaction	getValue went gone a long time ago	03:24
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r258d939 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm : remove getValue for the third time maybe? - http://bit.ly/kkCHnT	03:24
kthakore	:)	03:24
* kthakore loves finding bugs and getting fixes just for doing simple things		03:25
CIA-82	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r2a73f5a / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : fix undefined warnings - http://bit.ly/mAjMww	03:25
kthakore	works	03:26
@scrottie	at mysql, do: insert into settings (name, value) values ('showDebug', 1); insert into settings (name, value) values ('ipDebug', '127.0.0.1');	03:26
Haarg	or wgd reset --debug	03:26
@scrottie	oh, huh.	03:27
@scrottie	btw, wgd db is really handy	03:27
Haarg	it doesn't stick in the ipDebug thing actually	03:27
kthakore	Can't add image gallery now	03:29
kthakore	insert into settings (name, value) values ('showDebug', 1); insert into settings (name, value) values ('ipDebug', '127.0.0.1');	03:29
kthakore	oops	03:29
kthakore	WebGUI::Asset::dispatch[760] Couldn't call method www_add on asset for url: /home Root cause: newById must get an assetId	03:29
@scrottie	mmm... does it say where that was called from, before that?	03:30
@scrottie	you'll have to restart the thing for the stack traces to kick in	03:30
kthakore	ok	03:31
kthakore	no stack traces yet ...	03:33
kthakore	I will do the wgd reset --debug then	03:33
@scrottie	perl t/PSGI/StackTrace.t ... that should figure out if that's working	03:35
Haarg	if you did --dev, debug mode should already be on	03:35
kthakore	ok	03:36
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105605	03:38
@scrottie	heh... export WEBGUI_LIVE=1	03:39
@scrottie	that actually needs to go away	03:39
@scrottie	(and then try again)	03:39
kthakore	the test?	03:42
kthakore	or the webapp?	03:42
kthakore	test is fine	03:43
@scrottie	the test... good. okay. it's probably not perfect.	03:44
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@scrottie	I need to rework what happens when stuff gets caught works a bit.	03:44
@scrottie	or someone does.	03:44
@scrottie	errors deeper inside WebGUI are likely getten eaten right now	03:45
kthakore	yay!	03:45
kthakore	ok I will take a break then start preping for Image::Magick refactor	03:46
kthakore	I am just going to ack the heck out of it	03:46
kthakore	and move it to a WebGUI::Graphics where I can play with GD/Cairo	03:46
kthakore	I will fork WebGUI8 onto my github and get you guys to try my fork	03:46
kthakore	so I don't waste all my time fiddling with server setup	03:47
kthakore	is that good?	03:47
@scrottie	no complaints here.	03:47
kthakore	cool	03:47
kthakore	need to clean up fucking water damage some more	03:48
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CIA-82	webgui: Scott Walters WebGUI8 * rc011dda / (README docs/install.txt): README and docs/install fixes. - http://bit.ly/jLCD4K	07:38
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+BartJol	joy : http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12135	17:04
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@pbcj	'mornin	17:07
+BartJol	morning	17:07
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kthakore	morning	17:55
+BartJol	howdy	17:59
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+BartJol	hey colin it is da man who alles testen can	18:25
+BartJol	perlDreamer: did you add the Geo::Coder::Googlev3 lib?	18:28
+perlDreamer	no, and not likely too either	18:28
+BartJol	I see your name in a possible related bug	18:28
+perlDreamer	missing dependencies should be filed on rt.cpan.org against the distribution	18:28
+BartJol	ah	18:28
+BartJol	sorry, wrong place	18:28
+BartJol	shame on me	18:28
+perlDreamer	if they refuse to fix it, then we can add something to WebGUI to cover their badness	18:28
+perlDreamer	we don't assign blame, we just throw boots	18:29
+BartJol	mmm, missing my errors, because I haven't enabled endless scrolling	18:33
+perlDreamer	I wish I was in The Netherlands right now	18:37
+perlDreamer	because that would mean that Friday is almost over	18:37
kthakore	hmm it seems the image uploader is not working :\	18:37
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+BartJol	I send the bug in	18:42
+BartJol	https://rt.cpan.org/Ticket/Display.html?id=68343	18:42
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@preaction	kthakore: check your uploadsPath in your webgui config file. also check the error log	20:52
kthakore	preaction: Checked it	20:56
kthakore	Also I set up a test suite for image features here	20:57
kthakore	https://github.com/kthakore/webgui/commit/20082dd2935d31c218074fbe88f88ab6edfbf69e	20:57
kthakore	is that correct?	20:57
@preaction	should be yeah	20:58
@preaction	everything we do with images should be covered by those tests, if those tests cover it ;)	20:58
@preaction	i'll take a look inside Poll.t to see how well the graphs are covered	20:58
kthakore	cool ok	20:59
kthakore	I am gettign a lot of fails with these test already tough	20:59
@preaction	they're checked if they're generated, which is really all we can do reliably. we're not going for exactly the same rendering	20:59
@preaction	sbin/testEnvironment.pl runs clean?	20:59
kthakore	yeah	21:00
kthakore	wgd test fails alot too	21:00
kthakore	I can upload now	21:00
kthakore	I just had to clear the cache	21:00
kthakore	wgd reset fixed it	21:01
@preaction	do me a favor and: wgd test --reset="-d --config" -A -v --debug 2>&1 \| tee test.log <- and pastebin the output? it'll take a bit to run though	21:01
kthakore	ok	21:02
kthakore	Image test results in the meantime http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105845	21:02
kthakore	preaction: I get bad parameter provided	21:05
@preaction	oh, you need wgd -Fconfigfile	21:05
kthakore	ok	21:05
@preaction	probably	21:06
kthakore	same problem	21:06
@preaction	not in the right directory maybe?	21:06
kthakore	No WebGUI root directory available.	21:08
kthakore	I was able to run test before	21:08
kthakore	should I set WEBGUI_ROOT ?	21:08
@preaction	how/where did you do wgd test before? that's the place	21:08
@preaction	yes, that'll do it probably	21:08
kthakore	as soon as I do that	21:10
kthakore	I get bad parameter	21:10
kthakore	gah	21:10
@preaction	perhaps run the previous test that worked with the -v --debug options and pipe the output to a file?	21:11
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kthakore	nope	21:12
kthakore	it just refuses to work now	21:13
@preaction	awesome!	21:13
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kthakore	hah	21:16
kthakore	did you have a look at the image test results? HOw do I make those things pass?	21:16
@preaction	i've looked at the results, but haven't done any digging yet. responding to some e-mail first	21:19
kthakore	cool	21:21
* kthakore runs away to break stuff		21:21
kthakore	:)	21:21
@scrottie	heh, I was up late doing the same thing... taking inventory of those... should have pasted my work. oops.	21:25
kthakore	:P	21:26
@scrottie	I think I have some that you don't...	21:26
kthakore	I haz broekn many thungs	21:26
kthakore	:\	21:26
@scrottie	then I got distracted with the problem of actually testing the output of the PNGs and remembered that I had some PNG writing code laying around... it's really tiny, about 20 lines.	21:26
@scrottie	I decided to try to adapt it to reading PNGs in pure perl. then I was up until 2am.	21:27
@scrottie	it's a lot easier to write PNGs than read them. PNG has a lot of options and scenarios and edge cases but you can ignore all of that and just write a naive PNG in one format.	21:28
@scrottie	https://gist.github.com/983485	21:28
@scrottie	let me post my last test run too...	21:28
kthakore	ok	21:30
kthakore	btw image galleries, image crop and thumbnails don't work for me	21:31
@scrottie	I'd be interested to see the output of prove --verbose for those	21:31
kthakore	ok	21:31
@scrottie	actually, if you do prove --verbose, I can kompare yours and mine	21:31
kthakore	https://gist.github.com/983498	21:31
@scrottie	okay, https://gist.github.com/983485 has my prove --verbose output in it.	21:31
kthakore	those are the broken Image stuff right now	21:32
@scrottie	hrm, need more context.	21:32
kthakore	adding gallery	21:33
kthakore	and setting thumbnail size	21:33
kthakore	two failing things right now	21:33
kthakore	and 2 logger events	21:33
kthakore	scrottie: verbose tests http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105846	21:35
@scrottie	wgd test --reset="-d --config" -A -v --debug 2>&1 \| tee test.log ... please do do that	21:36
kthakore	ok	21:36
@scrottie	not finding 'adding gallery' or 'setting thumbnail size' searching that file	21:36
@scrottie	in t/Asset/File/Image.t	21:36
@preaction	only one failing test, and it's TODO :(	21:36
kthakore	scrottie: I was doing that by hand in the webapp	21:36
@scrottie	ah.	21:36
kthakore	scrottie: can't run wgd anymore	21:37
@scrottie	are you getting proper stack traces now? that would be really handy for investigating run-time errors.	21:37
kthakore	it complains about no WebGUI root directory	21:37
@scrottie	export WEBGUI_ROOT=/data/WebGUI # or whereever you put it... app.psgi should be in that dir	21:38
kthakore	I think I should do a clean 'install' again	21:38
@scrottie	no, that's just the lack of an environment variable it's complainable about, unless you deleted everything out of there	21:38
kthakore	now I get Bad parameter provided.	21:38
kthakore	sigh	21:38
kthakore	I dunno what broke that	21:38
@scrottie	I hate that one. I don't know what that's about.	21:38
@preaction	usually the config file parameter	21:38
@scrottie	what's echo $WEBGUI_CONFIG say, if anything?	21:38
@preaction	try WEBGUI_CONFIG instead of -F maybe?	21:39
kthakore	ok	21:39
@scrottie	most WebGUI users create a little .sh file to set up environment variables (in the case of 8, WEBGUI_ROOT and PERL5LIB) and then source that before working on WebGUI stuff	21:39
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105847	21:40
@scrottie	mine says: export PERL5LIB='/data/WebGUI/lib:/data/WebGUI/t/lib'; export WEBGUI_CONFIG='/data/WebGUI/etc/www.example.com.conf'	21:40
kthakore	yeah it is serious broken now	21:41
kthakore	great	21:41
@scrottie	no wgd commands work? not even wgd db -F ... ?	21:42
kthakore	nothing	21:42
@scrottie	try absolute paths for PERL5LIB etc?	21:42
@preaction	humph. your script works for me after i change the config file to my own	21:43
@scrottie	next step would be asking Haarg please for a better diagnostic message, or else adding one yourself to wgd.	21:44
kthakore	scrottie: try absolute paths. Same problem	21:44
kthakore	I am cleaning up my test_env and starting again	21:44
kthakore	I am going to just have symlinks to lib now instead all of webgui git	21:45
@preaction	if you export WEBGUI_DEBUG=1 you should be able to do prove directly	21:45
kthakore	preaction: how do you mean directly? I do that right now.	21:45
@scrottie	quick and dirty, you could patch your wgd to dump a stack trace when it goes to give that error message. that might give a clue.	21:45
@preaction	wgd test is a wrapper around App::Prove, --debug sets WEBGUI_DEBUG	21:46
Haarg	WGDEV_DEBUG=1 will give you stack traces	21:46
Haarg	it's most likely something with WEBGUI_ROOT	21:46
@scrottie	[ -f $WEBGUI_ROOT/app.psgi ] \|\| echo "WEBGUI_ROOT wrong"	21:47
Haarg	what i would recommend is unsetting WEBGUI_ROOT, and just having WEBGUI_CONFIG set to the absolute path for your config file	21:48
kthakore	Haarg: ok	21:48
kthakore	No WebGUI root directory available	21:49
@scrottie	I should really always run everything strace \| grep getenv to see what environment variables I can set to do things.	21:49
@scrottie	[ -f /$WEBGUI_CONFIG ] \|\| echo "bah"	21:49
@scrottie	hrm, no, that's wrongt.	21:50
kthakore	whould having lots of symlinks mess with wgd ?	21:50
Haarg	yes	21:50
kthakore	sigh	21:50
kthakore	ok	21:50
kthakore	scrottie: preaction Haarg let me clean up	21:50
kthakore	what about just lib as symlink?	21:50
@scrottie	this stuff likes to compute relative paths, often .. or ../..	21:51
Haarg	i'd start with just having everything in one directory with no symlinks.	21:52
@scrottie	mv / //* /// ////* ///// .	21:52
kthakore	shit	21:54
kthakore	I cleaned up everything	21:54
kthakore	still not working	21:54
kthakore	wtf happened	21:54
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@preaction	i'm chasing a theory about different perl versions, i've been using 5.10.1, i'm gonna run the whole suite on 5.12.2 and others maybe	21:55
kthakore	but it was working jsut this morning	21:56
kthakore	how the fuck	21:56
Haarg	so you have a webgui git checkout, with a config file in etc, WEBGUI_ROOT is not set, and WEBGUI_CONFIG is set to your config file's absolute path.	21:56
kthakore	yeah	21:56
@scrottie	5.14 worked pretty well after I fixed one little bit of DBD::mysql and commented all of the 'use Image::Magick' lines. Image::Magick was not going to build.	21:56
Haarg	what do you get if you run wgd config command ?	21:56
kthakore	No WebGUI root directory available.	21:56
kthakore	no output	21:56
@scrottie	the .conf file is in etc inside the root of the thing you checked out from git, right?	21:57
kthakore	/home/kthakore/Documents/Development/Work/test_env/etc/WebGUI.conf	21:57
kthakore	that is the output	21:57
@scrottie	head and tail .conf... does it look like the JSON got cut off on either end?	21:57
kthakore	yeah .. missing a {	21:57
kthakore	wtf	21:57
kthakore	how	21:57
kthakore	and my .conf is all changed	21:58
* kthakore looks at git		21:58
kthakore	....	21:58
@scrottie	interrupted at the wrong moment and not doing the mv shuffle.	21:58
kthakore	this happened after I ran ./wgb --dev thing	21:58
@scrottie	WebGUI and the tests treat the .conf file as read-write.	21:58
@scrottie	see Config::JSON.	21:58
@scrottie	WebGUI::Config uses that.	21:58
kthakore	right	21:59
Haarg	preaction, all the upgrade scripts got brought along with the merge	22:00
@preaction	i'm checking other perls because on of these test failures is a failure in a regexp to grab the file extension, which is really weird	22:01
@preaction	Cannot determine source for t/Asset/Wobject/StoryTopic.t <- and i dunno wtf's going on there	22:02
@preaction	and of course i just deleted all my VMs to free up space to load pb.com's database...	22:02
@preaction	oh, right, i should merge all those pull requests that are pending	22:03
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CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r65752f2 / lib/WebGUI/Template/Plugin/Asset.pm :	22:08
CIA-82	webgui: Merge pull request #12 from haarg/tt-asset-plugin	22:08
CIA-82	webgui: Adds an Asset plugin for Template Toolkit - http://bit.ly/k08bir	22:08
kthakore	ok complete clean app, no symblink, new database	22:09
kthakore	same problem with wgd	22:09
@scrottie	mmmm, you repaired your config file?	22:11
kthakore	yeah	22:11
kthakore	I can paste my config file	22:11
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105849	22:12
@scrottie	if it can parse it, you should get some other error	22:12
kthakore	actually this one I mean	22:13
kthakore	http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105850	22:13
@scrottie	don't know. something strange is going on. permissions are wrong or something. I suggest you do the WGDEV_DEBUG thing Haarg suggested and try to figure out where things are going wrong.	22:17
kthakore	TRACE of the whole thing http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105851	22:19
kthakore	WGDev::X::BadParameter->throw( is called	22:19
kthakore	line 785	22:19
kthakore	what is that called for?	22:20
Haarg	kthakore, give me a minute	22:22
@scrottie	>> /loader/0x217b910/WGDev.pm:69: if ( -d $path	22:22
@scrottie	just above it.	22:22
kthakore	yeah	22:22
kthakore	looking at what $path is	22:22
kthakore	/home/kthakore/Documents/Development/Work/test_env at /loader/0x1b7dba0/WGDev.pm line 69.\	22:22
kthakore	seems fine	22:22
kthakore	&& -e File::Spec->catfile( $path, 'etc', 'WebGUI.conf.original' )	22:23
kthakore	wtf why?	22:23
kthakore	it looks for that file but why?	22:23
kthakore	got rid of that	22:23
Haarg	it needs some indication if the directory is a valid webgui root	22:23
kthakore	works awesome	22:24
@scrottie	it seems to want it not to be a directory. if( -d ) Throw	22:24
kthakore	not it was the WebGUI thing	22:24
kthakore	-e File::Spec->catfile( $path, 'etc', 'WebGUI.conf.original' )	22:24
kthakore	I am missing that file	22:24
kthakore	cause I mv	22:24
* kthakore strangles himself		22:24
Haarg	that file should exist in any normal webgui root directory, so i used it	22:24
@scrottie	ah, else throw	22:24
kthakore	Haarg: it was my fault I didn't know that	22:24
* kthakore strangles himself and commits sepakky		22:25
kthakore	sigh	22:25
@scrottie	oooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo	22:25
Haarg	well, my super special error message was extremely helpful tracking it down	22:25
Haarg	'bad parameter'	22:25
kthakore	Haarg: ... erm no	22:25
kthakore	but it was fun	22:25
kthakore	:)	22:25
@scrottie	this explains why wgd does this same thing to me some times	22:25
kthakore	can I patch that for the love of gawd?	22:25
kthakore	Haarg: ?	22:25
Haarg	yeah something should be done to improve that	22:25
@scrottie	just a bit earlier I was saying that it did that for me some times and I wasn't sure why.	22:26
@scrottie	github.com/haarg/wgd I think	22:26
@scrottie	http://github.com/haarg/wgdev.git	22:26
kthakore	okie	22:26
kthakore	patch soon	22:26
@scrottie	:q	22:27
@scrottie	ahem.	22:27
kthakore	eyeball lick?	22:27
@scrottie	kill -9 $$	22:27
@scrottie	teehee	22:27
@scrottie	I had a bugger. fixed!	22:27
kthakore	scrottie: you are making less and less sense	22:27
@scrottie	tongue can't reach eyeballs, only buggers.	22:27
@preaction	perlDreamer: got a minute? do you remember who/where that Thingy patch went?	22:28
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell master * rc471728 / (2 files in 2 dirs):	22:28
CIA-82	webgui: add metadata to assets inside an AssetReport	22:28
CIA-82	webgui: Thanks to SquOnk for the patch. - http://bit.ly/lhVlFF	22:28
CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell master * r9b5f14d / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : always forget a changelog... maybe I need a git hook... - http://bit.ly/k8ubYY	22:28
@preaction	perlDreamer: nm, i found it	22:28
kthakore	scrottie: Haarg pretty please https://github.com/haarg/wgdev/pull/22	22:32
Haarg	kthakore, as is that patch isn't going to work, but i'm fixing stuff elsewhere so it will.	22:33
kthakore	oh ok	22:34
kthakore	Haarg: I would have helped	22:34
kthakore	but if you got it cherrio	22:34
@scrottie	I want to change how Config::JSON replaces the config file but I want at least another pair of eyes and I should probably be sending a push request to someone. thoughts?	22:34
kthakore	where do I point my pair of eyes?	22:35
@preaction	i can be the eyes, JT would be the Config::JSON maintainer	22:35
Haarg	i can take a look. what is the problem you want to fix?	22:35
Haarg	i wrote the current config writing thing iirc	22:35
@scrottie	ahhh	22:36
Haarg	i still want to come up with a better way to handle included files but haven't come up with a good strategy yet	22:36
@scrottie	Haarg, https://github.com/scrottie/config-json/commit/cc41ea153be45c5a2665940ea5b1518a5a42a550	22:39
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@scrottie	basically, unless you replace one file with another using rename, the operation is subject to race conditions and interruption. write() isn't even atomic. the system can change which process is on the CPU during the course of a large write.	22:40
Haarg	yeah. the reason for the past ugliness was to prevent problems with the disk getting full. but your thing is almost certainly better.	22:40
Haarg	oh, i think i remember why i ended up with the ugly thing i made	22:41
@scrottie	yeah. I was surprised how careful the code was when I went to look at it.	22:41
Haarg	didn't want to potentially mess with the file owner	22:41
Haarg	i don't know if that's really important though.	22:41
@scrottie	hrm. that's a good point, but my two cents is avoiding interruption is more significant.	22:42
@scrottie	I should write some tests for this before sending a pull request.	22:42
@scrottie	or sending one on IRC ;)	22:43
Haarg	i'd probably go with your version. simpler than mine, and as you say protecting against race conditions is probably more important.	22:44
@scrottie	hrm, I could totally write tests that simulated low disc space conditions, but that might make people angry.	22:46
@scrottie	s/simulated/actuated/	22:46
Haarg	hah	22:46
kthakore	lunch/outsideness &	22:48
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CIA-82	webgui: Doug Bell master * r1fa9110 / (5 files in 4 dirs):	23:00
CIA-82	webgui: Merge commit '1966cc02a70752'	23:00
CIA-82	webgui: Conflicts:	23:00
CIA-82	webgui: lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm - http://bit.ly/jFwcDv	23:00
@preaction	finally zylopfa's work is merged. i gotta keep better track of contributions...	23:00
kthakore	scrottie: preaction Haarg the tee test.log command http://paste.scsys.co.uk/105857	23:13
@preaction	awesome. i'll take a closer look when i get back from some errands	23:17
kthakore	preaction: it only took a couple hours lol	23:18
@preaction	yeah, --debug takes a while, as it does a lot more testing	23:18
kthakore	oh I meant even the ability to run that command	23:18
kthakore	hah	23:18
kthakore	that Bad Parameter thing	23:18
@preaction	what was the end problem?	23:19
@scrottie	if www.example.com.conf wasn't in etc, it decided it was the wrong directory.	23:21
kthakore	scrottie: nope	23:21
kthakore	it had to be /etc/WebGUI.conf.original	23:21
@scrottie	ah, sorry	23:21
kthakore	that file needed to exist	23:21
kthakore	which seemed counter intuitive to me	23:22
kthakore	but I dunno maybe that makes sense	23:22
@preaction	oh, the reset needs it to build a new config from when doing reset="-d --config" probably	23:23
Haarg	i just needed some kind of indication it was actually a webgui root directory. just so happens i chose the same file you chose to move.	23:23
@preaction	or that	23:23
* preaction &		23:23
Haarg	and yeah that is a required file for webgui & wgdev. the real issue is just the error message	23:24
kthakore	Haarg: yeah. The only reason it was counterintuitive to me was that in other webapps mv .original . is fine	23:24
kthakore	great new errors :)	23:25
kthakore	error WebGUI::Macro::_processMacro[179] No macro with name i18n defined.	23:25
Haarg	yaaay error time to celebrate!	23:26
Haarg	add to the config file in macros: "i18n" : "International",	23:27
kthakore	ok	23:29
kthakore	I already have	23:30
kthakore	"International" : "International",	23:30
Haarg	yeah, they should both be in there	23:30
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+perlDreamer	that i18n macro synonym is supposed to be added during the upgrade to 8.x	00:14
Haarg	it should be in WebGUI.conf.original though and it apparently isn't	00:15
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+perlDreamer	that's fixed easily enough	02:37
CIA-82	webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf4bd6d3 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : Add the i18n alias to the default WebGUI configuration file. - http://bit.ly/iX4Vji	02:38
kthakore	aww I was gonna add that	02:38
+perlDreamer	I waited two hours to give ya the chance	02:45
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jimX11	If I subclass WebGUI::Asset::Wobject does the subclass inherit a "new" method? Doesn't seem to.	18:57
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@scrottie	perldoc WebGUI::Asset	19:55
@scrottie	WebGUI::Asset::Wobjects are WebGUI::Assets	19:55
@scrottie	there are a few ways to construct them... a few different new methods	19:56
jimX11	scrottie:thanks	20:19
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kthakore	hallo	02:15