WebGUI irc logs from: 2011-04.log

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CIA-17	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5c175c4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): If there is a problem with the user's billing address, still let them get into the Cart. Fixes bug #12081. - http://bit.ly/g47aqG	02:56
CIA-17	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r57aefb0 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): If there is a problem with the user's billing address, still let them get into the Cart. Fixes bug #12081. - http://bit.ly/feC8eh	02:57
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+perlDreamer	Happy April Fool's day, everyone	18:01
+perlDreamer	let the internet pranking begin!	18:01
SDuensin	I don't even bother reading news online today.	18:02
SDuensin	You'll just get me all excited about porting WebGUI to Java or something.	18:02
+perlDreamer	sorry, no fake WebGUI news from me today	18:07
xdanger	I kinda liked the cordinated linux distro news	18:11
xdanger	they actually agreed on a april fools prank =D	18:11
SDuensin	Where was that?	18:12
* SDuensin is very internet limited today. Behind a firewall on a frickin' military base.		18:12
xdanger	just go to debian.org, gentoo.org opensuse.org	18:15
SDuensin	kk	18:15
+perlDreamer	There's a skype thing, too	18:24
+perlDreamer	on ubuntu, the linux client on the screen that comes up during a call	18:25
+perlDreamer	the telephone pad button is a duck today	18:26
SDuensin	hehe	18:26
+perlDreamer	http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=808491	18:27
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+BartJol	ah, 1 linux to rule them all	18:50
+perlDreamer	1 linux to bind them?	19:05
+BartJol	stuff like that yes	19:05
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+perlDreamer	BartJol: turns out Martin only deserves 1/2 a boot	19:33
+perlDreamer	for some reason, the Cart problem only exists in 7.9	19:33
+perlDreamer	he put a full template upgrade into 7.10	19:33
ckotil	I had a thought last night about templatizing the admin interface in wg8. Will it be possible to put the look and feel of the front end site , ala style templates , into the admin interface? im envisioning an interface where you can edit an asset inline with the site without having to leave the frontned (at least visually).	19:40
+BartJol	ah	19:47
+perlDreamer	in 8	20:00
+perlDreamer	the editing interface is another tab	20:00
+perlDreamer	inside the current window	20:00
+perlDreamer	not a browser tab per se	20:01
+perlDreamer	and, iirc, as you edit the asset in the edit tab	20:01
+perlDreamer	it updates the viewing tab	20:01
+perlDreamer	now, that feature may have been sidelined due to priorities	20:01
+perlDreamer	but it was the plan at one point	20:01
+perlDreamer	ask preaction when he's back next week :)	20:01
ckotil	ok	20:02
ckotil	is there a wg8 demo site up?	20:02
+perlDreamer	no	20:08
+perlDreamer	but you can download it from git and install and run it, if you're curious	20:08
+perlDreamer	there are instructions on the wiki on how to dot hat	20:08
ckotil	k. ya doing that now.	20:08
ckotil	first use of git :)	20:09
+perlDreamer	it takes some getting used to	20:19
+perlDreamer	but it's like moving from RCS to SVN	20:19
+perlDreamer	it's that good	20:19
* ckotil install Facebook::Graph		20:23
scrottie	it's got that much self-foot-shooting-in-potential	20:23
scrottie	and the promise of being able to undo anything ("it isn't lost!") encourages you to just keep firing.	20:24
ckotil	what's the upgrade path to wg8? im at 7.9.20. it looks like i need to get to 7.10.1 , and then the wg8 scripts will take me to 7.10.5 ?	20:34
scrottie0	if memory serves, they forked paths at some point...	20:36
+perlDreamer	the 8 codebase isn't fully up to date with the latest 7.10	20:36
+perlDreamer	so yeah, get into 7.10 and I think .5 is the current branching point	20:36
+perlDreamer	however, it will eventually work just like any other upgrade	20:37
ckotil	k	20:37
@khenn	or you could use WebGUI 5 =)	20:45
SDuensin	YES! 5!	20:45
+perlDreamer	that's it!	20:48
+perlDreamer	WebGUI 5 is the new 8	20:48
+perlDreamer	it's 3 less, that's gotta be good	20:48
ckotil	more efficient	20:48
SDuensin	That was my first WebGUI love. :-)	20:48
@khenn	I still have a photo gallery widget that works in 5	20:50
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scrottie	pbcj, ping.	21:31
ckotil	too many moving parts i dont understand. gonna abandon the pursuit of wg8 for now.	21:33
scrottie	I'm over due to try to fire that up again.	21:35
ckotil	mod perl apache just quits: Can't locate object method "loadAllConfigs" via package "WebGUI::Config" at /data/WebGUI/sbin/preload.perl	21:43
ckotil	and i cant find an sql file for the initial db	21:44
@preaction	we don't use the preload.perl anymore	21:44
ckotil	well, i didnt look too hard. bc it's in share/create.sql	21:44
@preaction	to run 8, you do: cd /data/WebGUI; plackup app.psgi;	21:44
ckotil	ok, that psgi stuff.	21:44
ckotil	ahh. it's running!	21:45
@preaction	fair warning, there are plenty of bugs left	21:45
ckotil	so should apache mod_proxy look to localhost:5000 now? instead of the mod_perl apache?	21:46
@preaction	some of them are superficial, but some assets may not be able to be edited properly yet	21:46
@preaction	if you want to run inside the current WRE, yes	21:46
ckotil	k	21:46
@preaction	the future WRE will replace apache mod_proxy with nginx	21:46
ckotil	nice	21:46
ckotil	sweet. up and running	21:50
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@pbcj	scrottie: working on something for vrby until 3pm, will ping you back	22:05
scrottie	pbcj, cool.	22:05
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@pbcj	geez frodwith	01:02
@pbcj	scrottie: you around?	01:03
scrottie0	yeah, kinda	01:10
@pbcj	wanna resched the history lesson?	01:10
scrottie0	yeah, kinda	01:10
@pbcj	alright	01:10
@pbcj	you know wheres to finds me	01:11
scrottie0	yup =)	01:11
CIA-17	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8f687d8 / t/Group.t : Write a test to make sure Group->new returns undef for non-existant groupIds. - http://bit.ly/fGZRUo	01:14
CIA-17	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r6b61b17 / t/Group.t : Write a test to make sure Group->new returns undef for non-existant groupIds. - http://bit.ly/ig8Z9n	01:14
scrottie0	I look forward to a future where we're as excited about llamas as we are now about tests.	01:15
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scrottie0	ALBATROS! GER YER ALBATROS!	02:21
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KHT	Hi. In Admin console/Settings I've set URL extension to 'html'. All new assets now end with .html". Fine. But: it's not possible to edit the assets URL to something without this extension. Even when importing an package, all asset URLs are convertet to urls with the extension (breaks for example AssetProxy macros). Bug or feature?	21:15
KHT	it'	21:15
KHT	s in 7.9.25	21:16
KHT	Renaming to an URL wirhout extension was no problem in my 7.6.35 install	21:17
+perlDreamer	it's a feature. Rather rough, but still a feature.	21:19
+perlDreamer	well, _I_ think it's a feature	21:19
+perlDreamer	preaction_ gets final say on stuff like that	21:19
+perlDreamer	then we may have fixed that as a bug	21:19
+perlDreamer	doing a git blame on Asset.pm near the fixUrl sub would probably show that	21:19
+perlDreamer	unless I indented the code...	21:24
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SquOnk	Greetings.	21:37
SquOnk	LWP 6.01 onwards will not include HTML::Form. WebGUI should check if HTML::Form is provided in sbin/testEnvironment.pl	21:45
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+perlDreamer	thanks (in absentia) Squonk	21:49
* perlDreamer goes for a run		21:49
@preaction_	KHT: the package import seems like a bug to me, because it results in the package being wrong, but otherwise the extension is supposed to be automatically added when editing from the web interface	22:15
@preaction_	honestly, URL extensions are not useful in any way anymore and the feature should probably be removed completely	22:15
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@pbcj	scrottie0 / scrottie: ping	22:43
scrottie0	hi pbcj...	22:47
@pbcj	sup sup	22:47
@pbcj	pm	22:48
scrottie0	fire and brimstone.	22:48
scrottie0	how's your MySQL?	22:48
scrottie0	out of curoiusity.	22:48
scrottie0	curiousity.	22:48
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@pbcj	not awful	22:48
KHT	remove the URL extension feature in WG 8 . Usually it will take years till I upgrade...	22:49
ckotil	if i could do it all over again i think i would use the extension .grnoc or something like that instead of .html	22:52
KHT	I think it's time for a RFE "by default set URL extension to php"	22:57
ckotil	it'd be a great april fools	23:12
ckotil	but.... .php would stick around until NEXT april fools.	23:12
scrottie0	zomg, zomg, zomg, zomg	23:32
scrottie0	(April Fools)++	23:32
KHT	oh, you prefer .zomg as extension?`	23:45
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@frodwith	znc is hot stuff. irssi-proxy is dead to me.	23:52
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scrottie0	statistical overview? there's func=viewGradeBook, viewStatisticalOverview, showFeedback, exportStructure, exportSimpleResults, exportTransposedResults	00:28
scrottie0	I don't think the default template links to many of those.	00:28
+perlDreamer	sbaur, don't forget that 7.6 is when the survey was introduced	00:32
+perlDreamer	well, survey 2.0	00:32
+perlDreamer	if you can reproduce that in a recent Survey on a demo site, it's a bug	00:33
scrottie0	documentation seems sparse.	00:37
+perlDreamer	muy	00:37
@preaction_	documentation is for wimps and communists!	00:38
+perlDreamer	preacion_: I'm so glad you're back!	00:38
+perlDreamer	preaction_: too!	00:38
+perlDreamer	both of you	00:38
@preaction_	where is he? i'll kill him!	00:38
+perlDreamer	oh no, we like him	00:38
@preaction_	he's an IMPOSTOR	00:38
+perlDreamer	he looks at bugs and tells us if they are features or not	00:38
+perlDreamer	like 12090	00:39
sbaur	ok, i can recreate on demo	00:39
+perlDreamer	sbaur: please file a bug for it with lots of details	00:39
+perlDreamer	we'll fix it	00:39
+perlDreamer	we'll even send you the git revision so you can backport it if you wish	00:39
sbaur	yes, but I won't see the fix for years :-)	00:39
sbaur	that might help	00:39
+perlDreamer	I haven't counted, but I'd guess that there have been 30+ bugs fixed in the survey since it was released	00:40
sbaur	soon to be 31	00:45
+perlDreamer	I got to write tests today	00:47
+perlDreamer	it's been a long time	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8525e4b / (7 files in 6 dirs):	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: Don't refund transactionItems unless the transaction is successful, or if the	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: item is already canceled. Also, no not call onCancelRecurring for normal Sku's	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: unless they're really recurring. Fixes bug #12089. - http://bit.ly/hPSkRi	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r6039c72 / (7 files in 6 dirs):	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: Don't refund transactionItems unless the transaction is successful, or if the	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: item is already canceled. Also, no not call onCancelRecurring for normal Sku's	00:47
CIA-46	webgui: unless they're really recurring. Fixes bug #12089. - http://bit.ly/gaTti1	00:47
@pbcj	"got to" lol	00:48
+perlDreamer	yeah, I throw boots, write tests, raise children, go to the gym	00:49
* perlDreamer is just odd		00:49
sbaur	perlDreamer: We may know why the template preview patch isn't working for us. We had to make changes to yui-container.css to be able to position stuff in our custom asset correctly, and it looks like those changes are what the template preveiw patch are causing our problems... <sigh>	01:11
+perlDreamer	it's good to have that tracked down, thanks sbaur	01:11
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@pbcj	alright, I will find it eventually, but if anyone knows: the cancel button on any ?func=edit form is part of the TabForm. It is overridden in some cases, such as when you edit a template from the display pane of some asset... but I'm not finding where that happens	01:27
scrottie0	overriden how? and where? have an example of this?	01:30
@pbcj	recreating bug 12083	01:31
scrottie0	a lot of assets will put together their own forms built out of pieces of WebGUI::Form::*, perhaps templating those	01:31
@pbcj	it's not the asset itself	01:32
@pbcj	it's func=edit	01:32
@pbcj	bah, I see absolutely everything else about this page	01:45
* pbcj picked the wrong day to quit smoking!		01:45
* scrottie0 lags... fast universe, slow brain		01:45
scrottie0	here's something I use a lot: select assetId from template where template like '%some strings I am trying to find%';	01:46
scrottie0	then you can wgd edit those assetIds	01:46
scrottie0	most stuff is hidden off in a template somewhere	01:46
scrottie0	oh, you might have to search the templatePacked field too	01:46
scrottie0	not sure. hmm. should just be a packed copy... I've also found that if a template is packed, wgd edit's edit changes don't take affect... wgd edit doesn't update the packed copy.	01:47
scrottie0	you could also go the route of looking through www_edit in Asset*.pm (probably Asset.pm) and figuring out which templateId it uses, and wgd edit that. it probably pulls it from the settings table via the WebGUI settings API.	01:47
scrottie0	select url from template join assetData using (assetId, revisionDate) where template like '%whatever%' # same idea but the url might give hints about whether its the hit you're looking for	01:48
scrottie0	I really should take an afternoon and graph out WebGUI's asset->template dependencies from the database and make a nice poster.	01:49
scrottie0	while I'm on the subject of wgd, it remembering what the parent of an asset is and trying to stick it back in below the same parent asset would help greatly	01:52
@preaction_	pbcj: that one is easy to replicate: go to one asset edit page, then go to a different asset edit page (immediately). your browser history gets stuck in a loop	01:52
scrottie0	or even guessing from the url	01:52
@pbcj	yes yes	01:52
@pbcj	I'm inquiring about the page build process	01:53
@preaction_	those edit forms are created with WebGUI::TabForm, the cancel button is part of that	01:53
@pbcj	yes yes	01:53
@preaction_	and no, it cannot be overridden	01:53
@pbcj	however tabForm{_cancel} = "history.go(-1)";	01:53
scrottie0	so there's a WebGUI::Form::Cancel. that's useful.	01:53
scrottie0	pbcj, are you an ack user?	01:54
@preaction_	it is, isn't it?	01:54
@preaction_	cancel what?	01:54
@pbcj	and on some pages it's "window.location.href='http://demo.webgui.org/demo1301955962_525/home/welcome?func=edit';"	01:54
scrottie0	UNDO ANYTHING. I'd kill for that feature.	01:54
@pbcj	and really, not one "picked the wrong day to quit sniffing glue" reference?	01:55
@preaction_	every day is the wrong day to try to get your head back on straight, it just goes crooked the next day anyway	01:56
@pbcj	another zomg	01:56
@preaction_	also CRAB BATTLE	01:56
@pbcj	I think I found it. shoot me, wrong version of webgui	01:56
@pbcj	that's what I get for actually working all day	01:56
scrottie0	if you don't do something really stupid in a day, you haven't been working long/hard enough.	01:57
@pbcj	heh.. and yup, cancel url is taken from HTTP_REFERER	01:57
@pbcj	and there you have it	01:57
@pbcj	so preaction, I'm fittin' ta change the way the cancel button works in admin mode	01:58
@preaction_	NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO	01:58
scrottie0	incidentally, lets get versioning filesystems running on every production machine we can get to... one like DragonflyBSD's hammerfs.	01:58
@pbcj	BSD--	01:59
@pbcj	(great stuff, I just am used to linux, and therefore I find it clunky, and therefore dislike it)	01:59
* preaction_ dons the asbestos underwear		01:59
@preaction_	"BSD is what you get when Unix hackers rewrite Unix. Linux is what you get when DOS hackers rewrite Unix."	02:00
scrottie0	hey, BSD used to be awesome... BSDi is bullet proof in a way that Linux never was and never will be. FreBSD was great before the 5 fiasco. NetBSD was great before the NetBSD Project hijacked the NetBSD foundation. OpenBSD was great when... um... Theo lived in a parallel universe where vinegar attracks more flies than honey.	02:00
scrottie0	attracts	02:00
@pbcj	attacks may have worked as well	02:01
scrottie0	when Linux hobbled together a Unix-like system from spare parts, most of the spare parts missed the intent or spirit of the originally. they just screwed up on major design considerations. all of this brokenness and ignorance became a de facto standard.	02:02
@pbcj	well	02:03
@preaction_	pbcj: one word of note: The Cancel button is part of an ancient web UI design manual that requires there to be an easily-delineated way for the user to go backwards.	02:03
scrottie0	Linux got the community right. 386BSD was out around the time of Linux 0.9 and was a far better system, but the porters wouldn't let anyone near it. FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD were all patch projects for 386BSD originally.	02:03
@pbcj	can that go back to history.go( -1 )	02:03
scrottie0	patches NOT welcome kills a project.	02:03
* scrottie0 had better stop ranting		02:04
@pbcj	because: if( HTTP_REFERER ) Messup ( cancel_button ) doesn't accomplish the design goal	02:04
@preaction_	pbcj: if it works, sure. might want to find out why the patch that changed to http_referer was put in there	02:04
@pbcj	yes, you had scrottie. I like linux ;) And since perlDreamer is away, my boots will have to do	02:04
@pbcj	preaction: indeed I should, which is why I'm talking about it here, hoping someone that's been here for a long long time would just tell me so I wouldn't have to go a lookin	02:05
scrottie0	really, I want to run VxWorks on my laptop.	02:05
* scrottie0 sighs		02:05
@preaction_	i wouldn't trust anyone who's been here a long long time, their memory is fuzzy, but computers never lie	02:05
@pbcj	I think this: http://www.webgui.org/bugs/11514 should have worked for me	02:06
@pbcj	whois kimd	02:08
@pbcj	aka Bernd	02:08
@preaction_	just some guy that helped add some features and fix some bugs	02:08
@pbcj	calling it a night... later guys	02:20
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CIA-46	webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r48f4fca / (15 files in 4 dirs): Fixing a bunch of tests not to rely on HT being default parser - http://bit.ly/fMiak8	02:49
CIA-46	webgui: Paul Driver master * r5c20e9c / (15 files in 4 dirs): Fixing a bunch of tests not to rely on HT being default parser - http://bit.ly/gX6MYk	02:49
@preaction_	hm... should we make an area of the style template to have a kind of "Urgent Message" that a user could read and then dismiss (saved in session scratch)	03:56
@preaction_	so like a "Scheduled Downtime" thing	03:56
@preaction_	it might also be interesting to have an actual scheduled downtime thing, the webgui server goes down and replaces itself with a static page	03:58
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CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r28e4f9f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Lower the priority of the scratch variables used to store classnames and page numbers. Fixes bug #12076 - http://bit.ly/gS3wsH	04:58
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r73261e4 / (6 files in 4 dirs): Batch of test cleaups for leaking objects. - http://bit.ly/eICCx2	04:58
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83d1897 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Update tests for bad macros to check template attachments. Fixes bug #12087 - http://bit.ly/eSfNL0	04:58
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83cb45d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fix a bad SQL lookup which affected the Survey Statistical Report. Fixes bug #12091 - http://bit.ly/h031Lr	04:58
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rc7dbb18 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Content/AssetManager.pm): Lower the priority of the scratch variables used to store classnames and page numbers. Fixes bug #12076 - http://bit.ly/gP7p9U	05:18
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r92a4fe4 / (6 files in 4 dirs): Batch of test cleaups for leaking objects. - http://bit.ly/fjfDWz	05:18
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rff25835 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Update tests for bad macros to check template attachments. Fixes bug #12087 - http://bit.ly/hoiFyz	05:18
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r37899be / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to correct location. - http://bit.ly/i1PyM3	05:18
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * ra05c34b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm): Fix a bad SQL lookup which affected the Survey Statistical Report. Fixes bug #12091 - http://bit.ly/hLSl4k	05:18
+perlDreamer	sorry for the flood	05:18
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CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r606c1d2 / (47 files in 24 dirs): Ready for 7.10.13 release. - http://bit.ly/eUuDWb	06:30
+Radix_	perlDreamer: there was a typo in the announcement btw.. you said 7.10.13	06:56
+perlDreamer	uh oh	06:56
+Radix_	assuming it was 7.10.12 you released	06:57
+perlDreamer	it was .13	06:57
+perlDreamer	.12 was two weeks ago	06:57
+Radix_	Ahh.. then you had the wrong topic and first line	06:57
+Radix_	Announcement: WebGUI 7.10.12 (beta) released	06:57
+Radix_	This beta release of WebGUI 7.10.13	06:57
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CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8b01eb2 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.14 development. - http://bit.ly/er8tFt	06:59
+perlDreamer	it's fixed, thanks for pointing that out :)	06:59
+Radix_	np :)	07:00
+perlDreamer	things going well for you in Australia?	07:00
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SquOnk	Greetings.	15:19
+BartJol	howdy	15:39
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SquOnk	BartJol: I wonder if anyone read what I wrote yesterday. Starting from LWP 6.01, HTML::Form will NOT be included anymore. It is a separate module now. WebGUI checks for LWP 5.833 or older, but doesn't check for HTML::Form, and it should.	15:41
+BartJol	oh, then testEnvironment should be altered	15:57
+BartJol	the wre will not install it then (or the testEnv script)	15:58
+BartJol	but if you work with native (debian) packages, the fun starts	15:58
+BartJol	where did you write that SquOnk?	15:59
* BartJol thinks that is a bug		16:00
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SquOnk	BartJol: Here. Yesterday.	16:01
+BartJol	ah	16:01
+BartJol	oh, it only is a bug when webgui uses HTML:Form offcourse	16:02
+BartJol	I didn't see it yesterday	16:02
+BartJol	I don't see it when I grep for it	16:03
+BartJol	not sure which functions that included and might be used by WebGUI	16:05
Haarg	the wre currently references specific dist versions so it won't be a problem there	16:12
Haarg	but testEnvironment should have it included. should have every module webgui uses, even if they are in the same dist.	16:12
Haarg	might make sense to add IO::Socket::SSL and Mozilla::CA too	16:13
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SquOnk	BartJol: I use	16:20
SquOnk	find . -type f -print0 \| xargs -0 grep 'HTML::Form'	16:20
SquOnk	BartJol: And it finds HTML::Form in several places.	16:20
+BartJol	ah, I am a lazy grep user	16:28
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CIA-46	webgui: Graham Knop master * rfaad97a / lib/WebGUI/Shop/TaxDriver.pm : small pod fix - http://bit.ly/eFZ5Ld	16:43
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@frodwith	I feel like I'm going nuts here. If I'm editing a Story, and it doesn't have any photos yet. And I go to the photo part of the form and just put in a url for an image (and a title and such) but don't upload any image, is that a valid thing to do?	18:04
SquOnk	Say I'm editing the WiKi page for 'foo' and I want to mention 'bar' a soon-to-be-written WiKi page. How do I mark 'bar' as clickable?	18:06
@frodwith	and if it's not, what is the photo url field even for?	18:07
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SquOnk	perlDreamer: Hey there. Long time no see :-) Been busy grading Prolog and Scheme programming projects.	18:42
+perlDreamer	hey, SquOnk	18:42
+perlDreamer	I looked into the issue you mentioned yesterday	18:42
+perlDreamer	and it's not a WebGUI bug	18:42
+perlDreamer	It's an LWP bug	18:42
+perlDreamer	and I filed it	18:42
SquOnk	perlDreamer: What do you mean an LWP bug?	18:43
+perlDreamer	they put all the other required modules in Makefile.PL and META.yml except for HTML::Form	18:43
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Because HTML::Form is going to be a separate module.	18:43
+perlDreamer	yes, but if LWP requires it, depends on it, then it needs to be listed as a prerequisite	18:43
SquOnk	perlDreamer: That's also true.	18:44
+perlDreamer	look in here: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/GAAS/libwww-perl-6.02/Makefile.PL	18:44
+perlDreamer	at the PREREQ_PM entry	18:44
+perlDreamer	all the other modules that were broken out were removed	18:44
+perlDreamer	and they're listed in the Makefile now as dependencies	18:44
SquOnk	perlDreamer: But does LWP use HTML::Form?	18:44
+perlDreamer	good question	18:45
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Maybe the ones that are still there work as prereqs, but if LWP doesn't use HTML::Form, then there's no point in having it there.	18:45
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Maybe WebGUI should check for both :-)	18:45
SquOnk	...just to be on the safe side.	18:45
+perlDreamer	I don't think we use HTML::Form	18:45
+perlDreamer	an after checking, I'm now sure of it	18:46
SquOnk	perlDreamer: Yes we do :-)	18:46
+perlDreamer	we do?	18:46
+perlDreamer	in which module?	18:46
SquOnk	Let me run find for you	18:47
SquOnk	...running on 7.9 just pulled from GIT:	18:48
SquOnk	A bunch of tests	18:48
SquOnk	Now running on master	18:48
SquOnk	BTW, I run	18:49
SquOnk	find . -type f -print0 \| xargs -0 grep 'HTML::Form'	18:49
+perlDreamer	ack 'HTML::Form'	18:49
+perlDreamer	works really well	18:49
SquOnk	Again, a bunch of tests	18:49
+perlDreamer	sure	18:49
SquOnk	So, either check properly for it or get rid of HTML::Form from the tests. You are right in that the application doesn't use it.	18:50
* perlDreamer will wait to see if the LWP folks accept the bug		18:53
+perlDreamer	if they do, then they'll fix it on their end	18:53
+perlDreamer	if not, we'll add it as an optional requirement for testing only in testEnvironment.pl	18:53
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SquOnk	Fair enough	18:55
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+perlDreamer	Does anyone remember why WebGUI has setup TinyMCE to strip out macros out of URLs?	18:59
+perlDreamer	never mind, WebGUI really didn't mean to do that	19:07
+perlDreamer	it's a case of greedy regular expressions	19:07
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@preaction_	SquOnk: there is no way to currently mark a word as a wiki link without it actually being a link, unless you use the standard tinymce link dialog and make up the URL yourself. however, it's only because of a difference with the wiki's author. i want at least wiki markup for links	19:16
SquOnk	preaction_: Understood	19:17
Haarg	perlDreamer, i would recommend putting every third party module webgui uses into testEnvironment. even the ones that are in the same dists.	19:43
Haarg	and LWP doesn't use HTML::Form at all	19:45
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, I'll take care of HTML::Form	20:36
+perlDreamer	but I'm not sure I follow the part about putting "every third party module WebGUI uses"	20:36
+perlDreamer	surely you don't mean doing a full dependency dump on every module and putting them all in there?	20:37
Haarg	if you are relying on certain modules being packaged together, you are relying on their implementation details	20:37
Haarg	as this case with LWP shows	20:37
Haarg	your actual prereqs are the modules, not the dists. so all of the modules should be listed, not making assumptions about how they are packaged that may not hold in the future.	20:38
+perlDreamer	I see, so the problem modules are like libnet, libwww, etc	20:39
+perlDreamer	not Moose	20:39
+perlDreamer	Haarg, while you're here...	20:46
+perlDreamer	what's the deal with line 13 in www/extras/tinymce-webgui/callbacks.js	20:46
+perlDreamer	url = url.replace(/^.(\^.)$/,"$1");	20:46
@pbcj	okay, so how bad of an idea is it to write a js function that "posts a form" but does so in a way that simulates location.replace()	20:48
@pbcj	I don't know why I quoted "posts a form"	20:50
+perlDreamer	so, you want it to post the form but rewrite the location window in the browser?	20:55
@pbcj	yes	20:55
@pbcj	I don't think that's possible atm	20:55
+perlDreamer	I don't know, why would you want to do something like that?	20:56
@pbcj	because to adequately solve the navigation problem, I would need the "apply" button not make entry in history.	20:57
@pbcj	which would mean going ajax with it	20:57
@pbcj	which would be a bigger impact than I want to make	20:57
@pbcj	as-is there is no good way to generate a history-like stack of a users movements that wouldn't have huge flaws	20:58
@preaction_	couldn't we set a returnUrl the first time you visit an edit form, and have apply keep track of that?	20:58
@pbcj	it would need to stack them	20:59
@pbcj	edit form -> edit template -> ...	20:59
@pbcj	and server-side won't work if the user is browsing in two windows with the same cookies	21:00
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@pbcj	I think the best solution is to make cancel (the reason I'm thinking about this) do history.go(-1) in all cases, and make form posts like "apply" not affect the browsing history	21:04
@preaction_	that second one won't work, it's not possible without an ajax service for assets	21:04
@pbcj	right, I have no idea how many places this would really affect. if it's just the apply button I can make ajax service for it.	21:06
@pbcj	I could also make that a generic function so that any form can be translated into an ajax get/post, fairly easily	21:06
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r3466181 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Make an explicit dependency on HTML::Form for testing only. - http://bit.ly/gEZWFR	21:06
@pbcj	and so, how bad of an idea is that	21:06
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r85f52c2 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Make an explicit dependency on HTML::Form for testing only. - http://bit.ly/hUmcKQ	21:07
+perlDreamer	if it's an ajax post, how do we feedback information about missing, required information	21:07
@pbcj	yup, that's one of my concerns	21:08
@pbcj	which is where I loose any warm and fuzzy I have about going down that road, but I'd have to write the ajax service anyway, so it's handleable	21:08
@pbcj	I can hack it: stick the output in scratch, send back a url that retrieves and deletes that output, so that the client can use location.replace( retrieveScratchOutputUrl );	21:10
@pbcj	but there's where I start loathing this idea	21:10
@preaction_	no, if we're making an ajax service for assets, we're at least building a stable base this time	21:11
@pbcj	you just volunteer?	21:11
Haarg	perlDreamer, iirc that tinymce rewrite thing was an attempt to protect users from themselves	21:11
@preaction_	i have something started in webgui 8 for an ajax service, but that ain't gonna do a lick of good in 7	21:12
@pbcj	it's not a show stopper, clicking "back to site" get's you out of the loop you end up in, so it's just an annoyance. I'd be okay with moving on and allowing this to fester in the back of my head for a while.	21:14
@preaction_	i'd be okay with leaving it a bug forever and ever and ever	21:14
@pbcj	changing the behavior of cancel back to go(-1) works for most cases I think, but that would cause a "cancel breaks after pressing apply" bug	21:15
@pbcj	forevah evah?	21:15
* perlDreamer agrees		21:16
+perlDreamer	you can't have your cake and eat it too	21:16
@pbcj	this should be handle-able. it's such a simple problem.	21:16
@pbcj	why do you have to bring up cake at a time like this	21:17
Haarg	sounds like all your problems could be solved by the html5 history manipulation stuff, if it was better supported	21:17
@pbcj	95% of my problems anyway	21:18
+perlDreamer	pbcj, it's getting close to lunchtime	21:18
@pbcj	okay, so what's the verdict.. ignore the problem completely?	21:19
@pbcj	or go back to history.go(-1) and wait for the other bug to surface, then ignore that	21:19
+perlDreamer	I think we should stick with that we got	21:19
@preaction_	i say we ignore it for now, leave it for the admin rewrite in 8	21:19
+perlDreamer	we'll move it over to the 8 board then	21:20
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scrottie0	one way to deal with history is break it completely and throw REST out the window.	22:34
@preaction_	web is dead.	22:36
@preaction_	it's all apps now	22:36
scrottie0	vmware needs to hurry up and make an ActiveX version of the vmware client so that you can deploy vmware images as apps on the web. I maintain that x86 is the only enduring standard.	22:45
CIA-46	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5057246 / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm : namespace autoclean is causing a problem... - http://bit.ly/eji7v5	22:49
@preaction_	the only overly-enduring one?	23:00
+perlDreamer	preaction, what kind of problem?	23:04
@preaction_	Error loading WebGUI::Asset::File::ZipArchive: Could not load WebGUI::Asset::File::ZipArchive because SCALAR(0xe6b5148) is not of type SCALAR at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/namespace/clean.pm line 56.	23:04
+perlDreamer	odd that the Test::Class based tests didn't find that earlier	23:07
@preaction_	it is odd. i have no idea what triggered that	23:09
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re3ec56c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Allow users to enter in mixed text and macros in URLs inside TinyMCE. Fixes bug #12094. - http://bit.ly/gqbgln	23:15
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r94e1415 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Allow users to enter in mixed text and macros in URLs inside TinyMCE. Fixes bug #12094. - http://bit.ly/e6mekA	23:15
CIA-46	webgui: Paul Driver master * rf8021c3 / (7 files in 6 dirs): rfe #12093: Remotely stored photos for Story assets - http://bit.ly/dFLsZ3	23:20
Haarg	preaction_, where were you actually running into that problem?	23:30
@preaction_	trying to start the webgui server	23:30
@preaction_	or run any test	23:30
Haarg	what version of namespace::clean, Package::Stash, and Package::Stash::XS ?	23:31
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CIA-46	webgui: Chris Hanson WebGUI8 * r61e2c77 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Added UUID::Tiny and [Starman] to testEnvironment.pl - https://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/61e2c77c6e1b552226216a675a205d028991d063	23:44
@pbcj	I didn't get a bit.ly =(	23:47
Haarg	preaction_, without that change i'm able to load WebGUI::Asset::File::ZipArchive, run tests, and start a server	23:49
@preaction_	Haarg: yeah, i'm getting version numbers right now	23:49
Haarg	my modules are all at latest version	23:49
@preaction_	pbcj: what platform did you get the error on?	23:51
@preaction_	$namespace::clean::VERSION = '0.20'; $Package::Stash::VERSION = '0.25'; $Package::Stash::XS::VERSION = '0.21'; <- my versions. checking if they're the latest	23:51
@pbcj	ubuntu 10.04	23:51
@pbcj	oh	23:51
@pbcj	lol	23:51
@preaction_	looks like Package::Stash was out of date for me	23:51
@pbcj	I was missing Stash::XS, but otherwise the same	23:55
+perlDreamer	do we need to update testEnvironment.pl with newer versions?	23:56
@preaction_	i don't know, i haven't successfully tested yet	23:57
@preaction_	seems to be working a lot better, though looks like i haven't been doing anything as smart as cleaning up after my damned self.	23:58
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Haarg	i just installed your versions of those modules and i still am not seeing any failures	00:00
@preaction_	then i don't even know	00:00
Haarg	i'm using perl 5.12.2	00:01
Haarg	what is a command that you used exactly that caused a failure?	00:01
@preaction_	i don't even remember now	00:02
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@pbcj	yay, I'm up	00:10
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Haarg	preaction_, getting rid of namespace::autoclean seems to have broken some things	00:58
Haarg	perl -MWebGUI::Session -e1	00:58
Haarg	might make sense to add a flag of some kind to 00_compile.t to force it to load every module separately	01:02
Haarg	would make it much much slower, but for those edge cases could be good	01:02
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd5ba73f / (5 files in 4 dirs): Add the organization part of an address into the transaction and transactionitem. Fixes bug #12088. - http://bit.ly/fXzEFA	01:11
CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r3e53268 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Add the organization part of an address into the transaction and transactionitem. Fixes bug #12088. - http://bit.ly/exgXmT	01:13
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Haarg	i really have no idea why the modules fail to load with perl -m but 00_compile.t passes. i'm going to go ahead and assume it's my fault though.	01:36
Haarg	and while re-adding namespace::autoclean makes it work for me, that shouldn't cause a failure like that	01:37
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@preaction_	and now i've forgotten what i'm supposed to do right now	02:32
@preaction_	Haarg: no idea why it's now working either... maybe something to do with 5.10.1 and the older Package::Stash::XS?	02:33
+perlDreamer	you're supposed to help get Chris hooked up to work on the HelpDesk translation to 8	02:33
@preaction_	i think he is. i'll ask.	02:33
+perlDreamer	then you're supposed to work with me on bug triage	02:33
@preaction_	pbcj: is you is?	02:33
+perlDreamer	and then you're supposed to exercise for 30 minutes and cook a sumptious and nutritious meal	02:34
@preaction_	imma pass on that one	02:34
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@preaction_	now i remember: quotes and SOWs and e-mail, oh my	02:34
+perlDreamer	then chow on some pizza and crash on the couch	02:34
@preaction_	eh. undesirable, but undeniable.	02:35
@preaction_	ooh, i could go to BWW on thursday instead...	02:35
+perlDreamer	BWW?	02:36
@preaction_	Buffalo Wild Wings	02:36
@preaction_	thursday is cheaper boneless wings. get like 30 for $10 or so	02:37
CIA-46	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7f9badc / lib/WebGUI/Definition/Asset.pm : and now it works... why? - http://bit.ly/f6JOPL	02:37
CIA-46	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rdbc12d4 / www/extras/Fork/poll.js : add data to finish() call to allow for actions - http://bit.ly/gBZhwA	02:37
@preaction_	well, 20 maybe	02:37
@preaction_	20 wings + 2 beers = $20	02:37
+perlDreamer	since they're boneless, does that make more room for fries?	02:38
@preaction_	pfft, you don't want fries, there are boneless wings to eat!	02:38
+perlDreamer	that makes like 0 for 4 today	02:42
+perlDreamer	maybe I better call it a day before something catastrophic happens	02:42
@preaction_	yay!	02:42
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Haarg	knowmad, you here?	04:34
knowmad	hey Haarg	04:39
knowmad	did you see my emails?	04:39
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Haarg	yeah	04:44
Haarg	i've had a report of the wgd intro problem before, but i wasn't able to get enough information to track it down at the time.	04:44
Haarg	if you are on tomorrow i'll have you check on a couple things so i can figure out where the problem is.	04:45
Haarg	i replied to your issue about the config	04:45
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knowmad	Thanks Haarg. I'll hang out here between my meetings to see if I can help you track down the issue.	04:55
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Haarg	preaction_, figured out the problems i was seeing yesterday after you removed the namespace::autoclean	18:03
CIA-46	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r369ae7d / lib/WebGUI/AssetExportHtml.pm : remove unneeded import - http://bit.ly/gX2yRV	18:03
CIA-46	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * rc7bbb4e / t/00_compile.t : count explicit Carps as compile warnings - http://bit.ly/fRBGi2	18:03
CIA-46	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9ec788a / t/00_compile.t : fix upgrade script compile checks - http://bit.ly/go7cjR	18:03
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+perlDreamer	Are subroutine prototypes part of WebGUI Best Practices?	18:13
Haarg	well, wgbp is pbp with exceptions (mostly)	18:25
Haarg	so i guess the answer would be that they shouldn't be used	18:25
Haarg	given that most of webgui is oo, it doesn't come up much	18:25
+perlDreamer	that's what I was thinking	18:26
+perlDreamer	however, I've heard that they're in there	18:26
Haarg	in where?	18:27
+perlDreamer	8	18:27
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Haarg	well, i used some in WebGUI::Upgrade::Script, but there's not really any reason they are needed.	18:29
Haarg	aside from that i can't think of anywhere they would be	18:31
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@pbcj	wg8/Depreciate.pm has this going on: sub deprecate ($$)	18:45
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Haarg	heh that's probably my fault as well	19:35
Haarg	not sure why i did that	19:35
Haarg	serves no purpose really	19:35
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CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5f44936 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Group.pm): Add missing includes for yahoo and event, required by the new Group Manager JS code. Fixes bug #12095. - http://bit.ly/h65Z3V	21:21
scrottie2	http://mentalhouse.fi/uploads/fd/49/fd491f576bcda85427dbc63e632a003a/Screen-shot-2011-02-17-at-18.59.32.png ... why I have still not seen this patch? screw core, I'll run my own fork.	21:29
@preaction_	because Algorithm::Diff didn't work out like I had hoped, I have to do something different for fields that are not long text fields or html fields	21:31
scrottie2	seriously though, is the original patch still floating around somewhere? I want to eat this dogfood.	21:31
@preaction_	It tries to diff "Visitors" and "Admins" like: [Vis]{Adm}i[tor]{n}s	21:32
@preaction_	which is expected, but undesired	21:32
scrottie2	yup.	21:32
scrottie2	I remember that discussion.	21:32
@preaction_	i've got my branch that does what i said, which is not far from this right here, but otherwise i don't know where it's stashed	21:33
@preaction_	wasn't it xdanger?	21:33
scrottie2	couldn't remember who. I'll ask him next time I see him and/or pull yours. wasn't aware you had taken the idea past simple tests.	21:35
scrottie2	nice work.	21:35
@preaction_	yeah, i've got a getRevisionChanges method, it just does as above there	21:36
@preaction_	so i have to do some kind of "If field is of <type>, treat it as a single concept"	21:37
@preaction_	which for Group and User, won't be bad, but some others might be	21:38
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zylopfa	Anyone here familiar with the uploading files in your wobject, with the ebGUI::Form::image form control?	22:53
@preaction_	perlbot: anyone	22:56
perlbot	preaction_: Somewhere, someplace, in some universe, somebody uses whatever you just asked about. However, if you actually want help with it, please just ask a question; don't ask to ask, or ask if anyone can help.	22:56
zylopfa	haa	22:57
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zylopfa	Ok here is the problem	22:57
zylopfa	http://pastebin.com/CNZsLuMr	22:57
zylopfa	I am making a wobject whos colatteral table needs a storage id for files uploaded	22:57
zylopfa	via a form, using the image form control	22:58
zylopfa	I get the storageId stored in the collateral table, but i cant get the files out again :(	22:59
zylopfa	I try to create the storage from the table like this:	22:59
@preaction_	$storage->addFileFromFormPost() takes the actual file upload control name. but WebGUI::Form::Image makes an <input type="file" name="XXX_file" >	22:59
zylopfa	haa thats why!!	23:00
@preaction_	so if you change line 12 to be storageId_file, should work	23:00
@preaction_	i forget why it has to be done w/ $storage->addFileFromFormPost	23:00
zylopfa	$storage->addFileFromFormPost('storageId_file', 1); <-- like this?	23:01
@preaction_	perlbot tias	23:02
perlbot	preaction_: Try It And See: the best way to learn if something works.	23:02
zylopfa	ok i will, been trying to figure this out for hours	23:02
zylopfa	thanks for help so far ;D	23:02
zylopfa	damn is still wont work, have used the storageId_file variable, i get a storage location in the database but when i create a store from it again it says its undefined	23:45
zylopfa	maybe the form should be multipart/formdata or what its called :O	23:50
zylopfa	that didnt work either	23:56
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@preaction_	is the storage actually created? is there a file inside of it?	00:08
zylopfa	checking it now by debugging Storage.pm	00:13
zylopfa	ok i tested the addFileFromFormPost function	00:14
zylopfa	and it confirms the 2 filenames i uploaded	00:14
zylopfa	What is CDN btw?	00:15
@preaction_	Content Delivery Network, google is your friend	00:16
zylopfa	ahh yeah, it seems from the addFileFromFormPost, that it accepted the files	00:17
zylopfa	But maybe when i take the storage location out from the table there is an error	00:18
zylopfa	I save my $newStorageId = $storage->getId;	00:18
zylopfa	in the database and then recreate the storageid like this:	00:19
zylopfa	my $storage = WebGUI::Storage->get($record->{"storageId"});	00:19
zylopfa	and after this it complain that the $storage is undefined	00:19
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zylopfa	lol i figured out what it was	00:35
zylopfa	my $storage = WebGUI::Storage->get($session,$record->{"storageId"});	00:35
zylopfa	I forgot the $session parameter	00:36
zylopfa	god damn me	00:36
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@pbcj	preaction / perlDreamer: yes, I have a viable 8 dev env	00:40
CIA-46	webgui: Paul Driver master * r1ff9f09 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : couple more tests for related asset exports - http://bit.ly/fRG5P2	00:44
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Haarg	preaction_, any reason not to merge WebGUI::Command? since i've been lazy and not getting it in there.	00:46
Haarg	currently it only has one subcommand, upgrade	00:46
@preaction_	so it's not WGDev with a new name?	00:47
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Haarg	a lot of the stuff in wgdev is overly complex or not needed for something built into core	00:48
@preaction_	ah	00:48
Haarg	like the stuff to find root, or the command dispatch, or the POD munging	00:48
@preaction_	in that respect, wgd config takes a nice keyword that i'd like to use for site configs	00:48
@preaction_	command dispatch? pod munging? i guess i don't use everything in there	00:49
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Haarg	i mean the stuff to turn wgd reset into WGDev::Command::Reset->run(blah) etc	00:50
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@preaction_	ahh	00:50
@preaction_	isn't that what we want though?	00:51
Haarg	i'm using App::Cmd for that	00:51
Haarg	in WebGUI::Command	00:51
@preaction_	oh, so just changed to a different system	00:51
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@preaction_	python has learned me the value of scripts as modules	00:51
Haarg	so copying things from wgdev directly doesn't work. there's really very little to WebGUI::Command so far. would be easy to port things over though.	00:57
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@preaction_	then yeah, go ahead	01:07
@preaction_	sorry, got distracted adding to my recipe wiki	01:07
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@pbcj	oh noes. I'm infected. I just thought to myself: "oh I probably need to install the video asset"	01:31
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@pbcj	I'm pretty sure I meant plugin for gmail in firefox	01:32
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CIA-46	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc515e65 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/PayDriver_PayPalStd.pm : Documentation on how to get a PDT Identity Token for PayPal standard checkout. - http://bit.ly/hiMfDr	02:35
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zylopfa	anyone know if there is a getMimeType function that from a filename will return the guessed mime type?	14:43
zylopfa	In webgui that is	14:44
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+perlDreamer	zylopfa, there's no native function in WebGUI for getting the mime type	17:22
ckotil_	http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/07/0212222/France-Outlaws-Hashed-Passwords	17:22
+perlDreamer	but there's a macro that does that	17:22
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@frodwith	there's also several good cpan modules	17:22
+perlDreamer	the macro is FetchMimeType and it uses an apache utility to do the work	17:22
+perlDreamer	whoops, LWP::MediaTypes	17:23
+perlDreamer	not an an apache utility	17:23
+perlDreamer	ckotil: I guess that means no WebGUI in France :/	17:23
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@frodwith	File::LibMagic I seem to recall is good	17:24
zylopfa	perlDreamer, thanks a lot Sir	17:24
ckotil	illegal!	17:24
@frodwith	http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2072470&cid=35742070	17:25
+perlDreamer	frodwith always has good suggestions, so even though LWP::MediaTypes is used by WebGUI it's worth checking out	17:25
zylopfa	I am making a newsletter wobject	17:25
zylopfa	that will "track" when email has been opened	17:25
zylopfa	If they show images that is!	17:25
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zylopfa	Will take a look at LWP::MediaTypes	17:26
zylopfa	I could just hardcode images types though, there arent many	17:27
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Haarg	really should switch webgui over to a better hash for passwords	17:37
zylopfa	which do we use now sha-128?	17:37
zylopfa	or md5?	17:37
@frodwith	md5 i believe	17:38
zylopfa	yeah its oldschool!!	17:38
@frodwith	and just straight md5'd passwords, no salt	17:38
zylopfa	ahh ok	17:38
zylopfa	it wouldnt be so timeconsuming to do	17:38
@frodwith	I had a patch at one time (years ago I think) for doing Bcrypt instead, but I don't recall why it was never merged	17:38
zylopfa	whats the best these days? Sha-512?	17:38
@frodwith	bcrypt	17:38
zylopfa	but that isnt a 1 way has thing	17:40
zylopfa	hash thing even	17:40
@frodwith	http://search.cpan.org/~zefram/Crypt-Eksblowfish-0.008/lib/Crypt/Eksblowfish/Bcrypt.pm	17:40
zylopfa	sweet thanks	17:41
@frodwith	the problem with md5 and sha-N is that they're designed to be fast	17:41
@frodwith	and that's exactly what you -don't- want in a password hashing algorithm	17:41
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zylopfa	ahh ofc so its slower to encrypt hence slower to crack	17:42
@frodwith	yes. The idea with the technique that module uses is that you can tune the cost, and it'll run its hashing function repeatedly depending on how expensive you want the encryption to be	17:43
zylopfa	pretty good idea	17:43
@frodwith	http://codahale.com/how-to-safely-store-a-password/ <-- excellent article on the subject	17:44
zylopfa	will read it immediately thanks	17:47
CIA-70	webgui: Paul Driver master * rf06db47 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Story.pm : tiny bugfix for remote images in story - http://bit.ly/e19xeq	17:49
zylopfa	frodwith, its possible to make a pluggable authentication thing for webgui so it use bcrypt instead i think	17:57
@frodwith	Mmm, certainly you could add an auth method that used that	17:57
@frodwith	wg::auth::webgui probably should though.	17:58
zylopfa	yeah true as standard	17:58
sbaur	preaction_: btw, that was me restarting server39 just now. My message to monitors failed to go through	18:00
xdanger	that was an interesting read	18:07
zylopfa	you read the bcrypt thing also xdanger ?	18:07
xdanger	yes	18:07
zylopfa	yeah good read indeed imo also	18:07
xdanger	I once saw a php "crypt" that transformed the password to binary and then replaced 0:s with a:s and 1:s with b:s =D	18:11
xdanger	I could not belive it =)	18:11
zylopfa	lol wtf?	18:12
zylopfa	some homemade shit?	18:12
xdanger	And I think that the guy thought it was briliant	18:12
zylopfa	LOL	18:12
xdanger	I belive it was even open source... I'm not sure, but it wasn't very popular if I remember correctly	18:12
zylopfa	haa hope it wasnt	18:13
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zylopfa	its like the old alfabeth shifting ciphers of old	18:13
+perlDreamer	there's some alphabet-style shifting code that's stumped the FBI in the news	18:13
zylopfa	but you can analyze it if its text that has been shifted	18:14
zylopfa	you know for example the is the most common in english	18:14
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xdanger	it was freeware, not open source =)	18:20
+perlDreamer	free crap is better than open and free crap?	18:23
xdanger	I can't find the software =D I wish that I could find the old version of it somewhere	18:24
+BartJol	what kind of software?	18:26
+perlDreamer	"(08:11:39 AM) xdanger: I once saw a php "crypt" that transformed the password to binary and then replaced 0:s with a:s and 1:s with b:s =D"	18:26
+BartJol	whoa, that incracckable :P	18:27
+perlDreamer	here's a link to that alphabet code that I mentioned earlier: http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/march/cryptanalysis_032911/cryptanalysis_032911	18:27
+perlDreamer	it's stumped them for several years, and was written by a guy who didn't finish high school	18:27
xdanger	found it, didn't remember quite correctly... but you guys ready to blow your mind at this awesomeness	18:30
xdanger	http://pastebin.com/JhcMNFXh	18:31
@frodwith	2-way encryption with a hardcoded key is VERY secure.	18:33
xdanger	on this matter: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/04/07/0212222/France-Outlaws-Hashed-Passwords	18:33
@frodwith	see comment I linked in scrollback	18:34
zylopfa	lol nice	18:34
zylopfa	Governments shouldnt have access to shit, just cause they call themselves governments doesn't mean they should have access to all information	18:35
@frodwith	what an interesting statement!	18:36
@frodwith	I like it. France is a democracy, so this law is the will of its people, but I rather think there are things no government should be able to do, regardless of the source of its legitimacy	18:37
@frodwith	like spy on private citizens without probable cause	18:38
zylopfa	The law is the will of whomever is persuasive enough to get it passed	18:40
@frodwith	well, that's an argument about the efficacy of democracy, which is an interesting topic in itself	18:40
zylopfa	yeah true	18:41
@frodwith	the US is ostensibly a democratic republic, for instance, but I think there's a convincing argument to be made that all its important policy decisions are made by the wealthy	18:42
@frodwith	don't know the situation in france	18:42
+BartJol	it is full with french people	18:42
zylopfa	Yeah in the US the lobbying is insane, you can basically contribute (with cash) to get laws passed that will benefit you	18:43
@frodwith	plutocracy for the win!	18:43
zylopfa	yeah as long as its recognized by the public, so they dont have any illusion of deciding things	18:44
@frodwith	ah, but you have to keep them deluded, cause I don't they'd be very happy with an open plutocracy	18:45
+BartJol	well, here are some problems with privacy issues, which are pushed through by the government	18:45
+BartJol	so whether the french public really likes it, I doubt	18:45
@frodwith	but "the governmetn" is made up of representatives of the people, at least in theory	18:46
@frodwith	so if you don't like the laws they enact, get a new government next election :)	18:46
+BartJol	well, people vote, but maybe don't know what really IS the best for them	18:47
+BartJol	it is kind of a charisma vote	18:47
+BartJol	people don't listen to a complete story	18:47
@frodwith	an informed citizenry is often assumed when people think about why democracy ought to be a good thing, and yeah....	18:48
zylopfa	I dont think governments in a democracy serve the people realy, they serve to the extent that they will get voted on again	18:48
+BartJol	for instance: many people originating from Morocco voted for a guy who is famous for wanting to get rid of people from other countries	18:48
zylopfa	In a democracy imo you cant take the nessesary desicions cause the elected only think about whats popular => they get to sit another term	18:49
+BartJol	it feels a bit like Jeltsin vs Gorbatsjov	18:50
zylopfa	haa yeah ;D	18:50
+perlDreamer	does Godwin's law apply to IRC conversations?	18:50
zylopfa	whats that about?	18:51
zylopfa	Is it the hitler one?	18:51
@frodwith	nazis, yeah	18:51
+perlDreamer	http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGodwin%2527s_law&ei=cd2dTYLGKsi4twepkLXXBA&usg=AFQjCNG8S9I77mrb81RKxOkWF1c1D-ANQA	18:51
zylopfa	haa	18:51
+BartJol	:)	18:51
zylopfa	Hitler is outside the democratic topic i think	18:52
+BartJol	well by making the statement we mentioned them	18:52
+BartJol	maybe nerds don't need that long a conversation	18:52
+BartJol	but, all political systems are flawed, just need to pick the one that's flawed the least, it's like using WebGUI ;)	18:54
@frodwith	didn't churchill say something like "Democracy is the worst political system ever tried, except for all the others."	18:54
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+perlDreamer	I think Hitler was elected to office	18:54
+BartJol	he was elected	18:55
@frodwith	yes, germany was a republic when hitler came to power	18:55
zylopfa	Still they had many problems in germany before hitler, they had to pay for WWI damages	18:56
+BartJol	he gained votes by blaming Jews for what the Emperor Wilhelm did to Germany with WW I	18:56
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf2f0338 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/Group.pm): Fix JS and CSS issues with the GroupManager. Fixes bug #12097 - http://bit.ly/fpjrtk	19:02
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+BartJol	btw, while we're taling about Hitler:	19:04
+BartJol	http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=964#comic	19:04
+perlDreamer	after the way Hitler was a pile of ashes (according to official sources)	19:05
+BartJol	I know	19:05
+perlDreamer	if nothing else pops up, I'll actually have several hours to work on the translation server today	19:06
+BartJol	very good my bug crashing friend	19:07
+perlDreamer	I'd have more time if I stopped writing bugs which need to be fixed...	19:08
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zylopfa	Oi guys a quick question, in $db->write("some statement ?",[""]);	19:16
zylopfa	Why cant you have the empty string in the bind variables?	19:16
+perlDreamer	you should be able to have the empty string in most cases, but I'd like to see the whole SQL before making that call	19:19
zylopfa	Just gonna make some more robust parameter checking first, its not needed atm to have empty strings, was just wondering cause at some point is was barking about it	19:24
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zylopfa	:D	19:31
+perlDreamer	just had a very weird thing happen on a site	19:33
zylopfa	what happend?	19:33
+perlDreamer	the password recovery email template setting was lost	19:33
+perlDreamer	the template still existed	19:33
+perlDreamer	but the setting in the db was gone	19:33
zylopfa	thats wierd :O	19:34
zylopfa	corrupted tables?	19:34
+perlDreamer	I didn't check that	19:36
+perlDreamer	tables are clean	19:43
zylopfa	thats totaly wierd then	19:53
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ca9da3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Log and give the user an error message when the password recovery email template cannot be found/used. Fixes bug #12098. - http://bit.ly/fWZdQ9	19:58
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re22ba57 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth/WebGUI.pm): Log and give the user an error message when the password recovery email template cannot be found/used. Fixes bug #12098. - http://bit.ly/dRN0x7	19:59
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0bcdd9c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove copies of templates that were added as part of the 7.10.13 upgrade. Fix the upgrade package, too, in case people stop on .13. - http://bit.ly/hslx0a	20:26
scrottie2	nothing is truly "weird" in the sense that it's legimately not expectable in a non-transactional database system attached to a program that suicides when it loses its client connectino.	20:26
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r7fa8da5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Remove copies of templates that were added as part of the 7.9.25 upgrade. Fix the upgrade package, too, in case people stop on .25. - http://bit.ly/fK9aEM	20:28
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+perlDreamer	You really can't blame mysql. It makes my mad when I lose my connectino too	20:53
scrottie2	not blaming MySQL, just pointing out that data integrity is kind of doomed in this basic situation.	20:54
scrottie2	and doesn't InnoDB support transactions? so if anything, I'm blaming myself =)	20:55
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CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r3dfdb29 / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : support WebGUI::Command - http://bit.ly/gDjK7y	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rec99dfa / lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm : fix reset --import --upgrade to work with webgui release tarballs - http://bit.ly/eEoQZM	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * rba9f5d1 / dist.ini : use Git dzil plugin - http://bit.ly/ejgSbm	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: Graham Knop master * r155f077 / Changes :	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: v0.1104070	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: - fix -t/--to option on export-branch	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: - initial support for WebGUI::Command	21:09
CIA-70	wgdev: - fix reset command support for WebGUI release tarballs - http://bit.ly/gIh70O	21:09
CIA-70	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * re4696b2 / (4 files in 3 dirs): start of WebGUI::Command - http://bit.ly/eXFYsY	21:10
CIA-70	webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r8d374c2 / (lib/WebGUI/Command/upgrade.pm sbin/webgui.pl): move -inc to better location - http://bit.ly/gswcUD	21:10
scrottie2	Haarg, I think I've noticed that editing templates with 'use packaged templates' set with wgd edit edits the non-packed template and doesn't update the packaged template. sometimes that bites me in the arse. if I'm observing this right, that might be a feature request for ya.	21:27
scrottie2	also, wgd import seems to, at least most of the time (all of the time? data not well collected) set things parent as root/import. is this a feature or a lack of another feature? a lot of assets blow up during import when they call $self->getParent->somethingOnlyInTheAPIOfTheClassTheyExpectTheirParentToBe, and of course, continue to blow up if you try to use them, and these have to be manually corrected.	21:29
scrottie2	I can try to roll up some code on either or both of those but I thought I'd bounce them off of you first.	21:30
Haarg	for the first, i'm guessing it's that wgd edit is keeping the old packed version, and setting both that and the new text at the same time	21:30
Haarg	which is probably something WebGUI::Asset::Template should handle	21:31
Haarg	like, it should ignore the packed version if both are set at the same time	21:31
* scrottie2 nods		21:31
Haarg	probably reasonable to work around it in edit though	21:31
Haarg	is there any reasonable time you'd want to edit the packed version?	21:32
Haarg	doesn't seem like it	21:32
scrottie2	hrm, no, I think you're right... it should be fixed in the API. I wouldn't delete the non-packed version, though. hu-mans want to be able to edit an unpacked copy. the packed copy just needs to be rebuilt whenever the unpacked copy is unpdated, if there is a packed copy.	21:32
scrottie2	unpdated!	21:32
Haarg	well, the asset api does that already afaik	21:33
scrottie2	nope. the only interaction a user should have with it is deciding to turn on this optimization.	21:33
scrottie2	oh. then I wonder what's going wrong.	21:33
scrottie2	wgd bypassing the API?	21:33
Haarg	the problem, i suspect, is that wgdev is setting the old packed version at the same time it sets the new unpacked version	21:33
scrottie2	hrm. okay.	21:34
Haarg	so even though the template knows to regenerate the packed version, it gets overwritten with the old version anyway	21:34
Haarg	so if wgdev just eliminates it from the text file it generates, i think it would solve the problem	21:34
scrottie2	makes sense.	21:35
Haarg	for the parent issue, it should follow whatever is set as the parent in the text file. is it not doing that?	21:35
scrottie2	er, it probably is doing that. on second thought, wgd export might not be recording this data in a useful way.	21:36
* scrottie2 looks		21:36
Haarg	hmm	21:38
Haarg	my thought about the packed template thing seems to be wrong	21:38
scrottie2	ah, parent is by id of course. now that I look at this again, I had a whole string of assets that live in folders that were created as part of a copy operation, so the assetIds wouldn't match up.	21:39
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Haarg	figured out the packed template issue	22:03
* scrottie2 vhighfives Haarg		22:04
Haarg	addRevision merges the properties you set with the old properties	22:04
Haarg	and sets them at the same time	22:04
scrottie2	so, not setting a packed template, the old one lives on.	22:04
Haarg	kind of. it sets the new template, so the template code knows to regenerate the packed version.	22:05
Haarg	but then after that the packed template gets set, so it no longer thinks it needs to regenerate it	22:06
Haarg	at least, that's what happens in 8	22:06
Haarg	if 7 has the same problem it's probably a similar issue	22:06
CIA-70	webgui: Chris Hanson master * rbc00c4b / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #12056: Adding a Thing always creates a table - http://bit.ly/eMv6Ei	22:06
Haarg	two possible fixes - change addRevision to set the properties in two stages	22:08
Haarg	or somehow make templatePacked a read only property	22:08
zylopfa	Guys, the Form control SelectBox; how do you get a "blank" value as the default? i tried defaultValue=>"" in the definition but to no avail	22:09
Haarg	since there's never any reason it should be set by anything other than the builder or the constructor	22:09
Haarg	afaik one of the options always has to be selected, so you just have to add a default option that has a value of ''	22:10
Haarg	as in, add an extra option to the list of options	22:10
@pbcj	I can't seem to assign a ticket from http://www.webgui.org/bugs to myself	22:10
scrottie2	the "assign to me" clickie thingie doesn't work?	22:11
@pbcj	too many "chris" 's, nogo on search for fullname or alias, and I am not god there	22:11
zylopfa	Haarg, i have a Template Selectbox control, the one from webgui, but i dont want it to select one, else trhe user just press without taking notice he has to choose	22:11
@pbcj	scrottie: no such link	22:11
zylopfa	I could add a default value of '' with javascript though but thats dirty	22:12
zylopfa	or i could change the SelectBox.pm to build with an empty value	22:12
scrottie2	you could subclass the Form control and override the bit of logic that picks the first one as default if the value doesn't match any of the other options or there is no value...	22:13
zylopfa	yeah, just reading through the code, must be possible, I mean i shouldnt be the only one that was the first field of a selectbox to be "Choose a value.."	22:14
scrottie2	oh, it looks like there's an allowEmpty option to the constructor	22:15
zylopfa	Oii nice, found something also in the List.pm that it inherit from	22:15
scrottie2	that makes getOriginalValue() in WebGUI::Form::List not pick a default value	22:15
Haarg	what happened when you had a default value of ''?	22:17
zylopfa	Nothing Haarg :(	22:17
Haarg	well obviously something happened	22:17
zylopfa	It propably has to be in the options list	22:17
@preaction_	yes, it does	22:17
Haarg	yes, you have to add an option for it	22:17
scrottie2	'' is false	22:19
scrottie2	oh, wait, getOriginalValue() does use defined(). that's unexpected.	22:19
scrottie2	and should make that work correctly.	22:20
Haarg	http://gist.github.com/908492	22:22
scrottie2	you want the first option selected, where the first option has the text of "Pick an option..." or the like, and a value of ''? did you actually add this first option with that text and value?	22:22
zylopfa	I am using the control Template.pm	22:22
zylopfa	It defaults to returning all the Templates in a given namespace as a selectbox	22:22
Haarg	that patch should fix the packed template issue for webgui 8 i think	22:22
zylopfa	but i want an empty one in the start	22:23
zylopfa	I tried to add options as described in List.pm but seems to ignore it	22:23
Haarg	actually i had a typo in there, but it does fix the issue	22:24
scrottie2	zylopfa, that wasn't exactly a "yes" or a "no" but more of a punt. post your code to gist.github.com?	22:25
zylopfa	thanks Sir, will do	22:26
zylopfa	http://pastebin.com/w0eqS3fT	22:27
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scrottie2	'0' is not exactly the same thing as ''	22:28
zylopfa	no but it evaluate to false	22:28
zylopfa	thats what i need it to do when i check the posting	22:29
zylopfa	if the user havent actively choosen a template	22:29
Haarg	zylopfa, afaik Template will ignore the provided options entirely	22:29
zylopfa	:O Thats a bitch!!	22:29
zylopfa	Is that a feature or a bug?	22:30
Haarg	if you were using SelectBox like you initially said it would be an easy fix but with Template not so much	22:30
scrottie2	areOptionsSettable returns 0, so I'd say intentional.	22:30
zylopfa	Thought they inherited from eachother like Template from SelectBox selectbox from List	22:30
Haarg	they inherit from each other but the behavior differs	22:31
zylopfa	I will just make an json www_ function then and make the control from javascript	22:31
scrottie2	toHtml re-generates the options so even if you went under the hood and changed them, your data still wouldn't be used.	22:31
Haarg	you could also construct the values of the form manually instead of using Template	22:31
@preaction_	the template select box should probably be changed so that the values are set in the constructor, not toHtml	22:32
zylopfa	yeah Haarg but the idea is to pick the templates in the given namespace thats what the Template.pm control is for :(	22:32
scrottie2	you could subclass WebGUI::Form::Template and change the setOptions() method to include a first option of value '' (or '0' -- but make up your mind!)	22:32
Haarg	yeah but it wouldn't be hard to basically copy/paste what is in Template::setOptions	22:32
zylopfa	Haa yeah scrottie2 :D	22:32
Haarg	not ideal but what can you do	22:33
Haarg	it might make sense for Template to include an empty option if allowEmpty is set	22:33
@preaction_	refactor WebGUI::Form::Template to make it easier to subclass?	22:33
zylopfa	yeah problem is that i need it to be usable to all people the thing i make and i dont wanna make new modules except my wobject	22:33
scrottie2	you can include new Form definitions inside of other packages.	22:34
zylopfa	I think inside my wobject i will make a utility function that gets the templates in a hash and then i make it with a SelectBox	22:34
@preaction_	so... submit it to us for inclusion in the core?	22:34
zylopfa	yeah preaction_ I think i have to do that	22:34
@preaction_	we're not open source for the warm fuzzies, we're open source because we want patches	22:35
Haarg	you can mostly just copy WebGUI::Form::Template::setOptions for that zylopfa	22:35
zylopfa	thanks a lot Haarg	22:35
scrottie2	https://gist.github.com/908526	22:36
scrottie2	there's an example of sticking a Form def right on the end of another .pm	22:36
@preaction_	would App::Fatpacker do that for you even?	22:37
scrottie2	in your case, rather than add a new defintion(), you'd add your own modified setOptions().	22:37
zylopfa	thanks a lot scrottie2 !	22:37
scrottie2	you could even call SUPER or next::method and then modify what it returns and do it in a few lines of code.	22:38
scrottie2	you're welcome zylopfa	22:38
Haarg	it's more meant for creating a single script than adding an extra module to a file	22:38
scrottie2	afk a bit.	22:38
zylopfa	I will make a patch to Template.pm so it respect that you can pass in your own options aswell	22:38
zylopfa	Haarg, do you know how i can get it into the webgui production releases?	22:41
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Haarg	submit a patch and see if it accepted	22:42
zylopfa	Haarg, are you present	22:58
Haarg	yes	22:58
zylopfa	I just made a oneliner to fix it!!	22:58
zylopfa	%{$templateList} = (%{$self->getOptions}, %{$templateList});	22:58
zylopfa	its in the setOptions method of Template.pm tha i add this	22:59
Haarg	if toHtml gets called more than once that would end up adding multiple copies of the template list	23:00
zylopfa	why would it be called more times?	23:01
Haarg	who knows	23:01
zylopfa	not for Template.pm	23:01
zylopfa	thats the one i changed	23:01
zylopfa	setOptions only gets called one time to get the template key/value pairs	23:01
Haarg	but someone using it might do anything with it	23:02
zylopfa	yeah but Haarg it respect it	23:02
zylopfa	i just told it to take the "options" parameter from the definition	23:02
zylopfa	and add the key/value pairs from that to the options list	23:02
zylopfa	like the List.pm does	23:02
zylopfa	Its just Template.pm ignores List.pm definitions	23:03
zylopfa	which it inherit from	23:03
Haarg	yes. and if someone caused setOptions to get called more than once, it would add the template list multiple times.	23:03
zylopfa	no no Haarg	23:03
Haarg	which could be done by them calling toHtml more than once, or calling toHtml and toHtmlWithWrapper	23:04
Haarg	or any number of other things that aren't in the control of the Template class	23:04
zylopfa	ok then say i left out the chance, still if you call setOptions it would populate it 2 times	23:04
zylopfa	so in either case it would be flawed	23:04
zylopfa	the change even	23:05
Haarg	no	23:05
Haarg	because currently it replaces the list	23:05
zylopfa	no	23:05
Haarg	so every time it is called it just overwrites the options with a new list	23:05
zylopfa	it takes the list of templates + the list of userdefined options and concatenate em	23:05
Haarg	the code as it stands right now:	23:06
Haarg	when setOptions is called, it replaces the options with a list of templates	23:06
Haarg	if you call it multiple times, it replaces it again with the same list	23:06
Haarg	with your change:	23:06
zylopfa	my $templateList = WebGUI::Asset::Template->getList( $session, $self->get( 'namespace' ), $onlyCommitted );	23:07
Haarg	actually no i'm dumbn	23:07
zylopfa	Makes a NEW list EVERY time	23:07
Haarg	because it's a hash so it just overwrites part of it	23:07
zylopfa	of the templatename:template id key pairs	23:07
Haarg	yes it makes a new list. my point was that it was replacing the existing list on each call	23:08
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zylopfa	Its not replacing it its adding it with the usersupplied %options	23:08
Haarg	we are going around in circles	23:08
Haarg	i know what your change does	23:08
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zylopfa	I dont know why you think its wrong	23:08
Haarg	it isn't	23:09
Haarg	i was wrong about what i said. the current way it works is to replace the list every time.	23:09
Haarg	with your change, it adds to it every time	23:09
zylopfa	ahh ok fair enough	23:09
Haarg	but since it's a hash it will just overwrite the duplicates	23:09
zylopfa	I dereference the templatelist ref to a hash and then i overwrite it with itself and the options hash	23:10
Haarg	i was thinking of it as a list instead of a hash because it really should be a list	23:10
zylopfa	I just add the hashes in list content	23:10
Haarg	the issue i was having is this	23:10
zylopfa	dereferencing them first	23:11
Haarg	when called a second time, $self->getOptions will already have the templates included	23:11
zylopfa	when / if it gets called again a new hash is created: my $templateList = WebGUI::Asset::Template->getList( $session, $self->get( 'namespace' ), $onlyCommitted );	23:13
zylopfa	and it will return the same as it did before	23:13
Haarg	yes. and it will combine that list of templates with ->getOptions.	23:14
Haarg	but getOptions will already have the list of templates in it	23:14
Haarg	again, they will just get overwritten so it isn't really a problem	23:14
zylopfa	yes but in the definition "options" is user supplied list of options eg a hash ref	23:15
zylopfa	its not the list of Templates	23:15
zylopfa	my $possibleValues = $self->get('options');	23:15
Haarg	at the end of setOptions it overwrites that	23:15
zylopfa	LOL yeah you are absolutely right	23:16
zylopfa	so it will on the next run concatenate the whole list again	23:18
Haarg	yeah, but it's a hash	23:18
zylopfa	thats a serious bug i introduced	23:18
zylopfa	yeah i know but i use it in listcontent	23:18
Haarg	so duplicates will get replaced	23:18
zylopfa	also in listcontext?	23:18
Haarg	once it get stored in the hash the dupes will get replaced	23:18
zylopfa	ahh yeah	23:19
zylopfa	Do you think there will be problems with the code?	23:19
Haarg	so it's not actually a problem, but you see why i was initially thinking it would be	23:19
zylopfa	yeah you was so far ahead of me	23:19
zylopfa	Do you think it could be added to the webgui?	23:20
zylopfa	Cause i hate to change things locally	23:20
zylopfa	then if i ever upgrade i will have to make sure i have all my local patches applied	23:20
Haarg	seems reasonable to me, but i don't have any authority. i'd ask perlDreamer or preaction.	23:21
zylopfa	Sweet! You have a good eye for the code	23:22
Haarg	that whole class could probably stand to have a little refactoring done, but that's the story of most of the code.	23:22
zylopfa	I am making a Newsletter wobject atm	23:23
zylopfa	I dont like the one in Collaboration system	23:23
zylopfa	It was a hack more than its a newsletter system	23:23
zylopfa	I also make so you can see when people open the newsletter, and who opens it	23:24
zylopfa	Luckily i learn a lot about webgui when i program	23:25
CIA-70	wrebuild: Chris Hanson master * r819a8f5 / (build.sh getsource.sh): Upgraded lftp 4.1.1 -> 4.2.0 - http://bit.ly/gIyyB8	23:48
Haarg	ugh i hate UNIVERSAL::isa so much. every time i see it complain it's a false positive.	23:51
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scrottie2	perldoc UNIVERSAL::isa doesn't actually explain what the problem with calling UNIVERSAL::isa as a function is.	00:23
scrottie2	what is the problem? what is a non-false positive?	00:24
Haarg	the problem is that it should be possible to override isa so that you can return true for something without it actually being in @ISA	00:25
scrottie2	and what are you supposed to do according to Audrey, chromatic, and Yuval? if( $foo and ref $foo and Scalar::Util::blessed $foo and $foo->isa('whatever') ) ?	00:25
scrottie2	ahh.	00:25
Haarg	the problem UNIVERSAL::isa tries to fix is a real problem, but in addition to trying to work around it	00:26
scrottie2	you know, autobox makes that problem magically go away.	00:26
Haarg	it also warns when it sees what it thinks is an incorrect usage	00:26
Haarg	and there are bugs in that code	00:26
Haarg	so basically every time i see it warning about something, it's actually being correctly called as a method instead of using UNIVERSAL::isa directly	00:27
scrottie2	is there any reason, /me wonders aloud, why UNIVERSAL::isa doesn't use Devel::Caller::called_as_method before bitching?	00:32
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scrottie2	plugin_container++. computer slow? killall -9 plugin_container # usually fixes it right up	00:57
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+perlDreamer	Haarg, in 8 it's not a problem, since the attributes always get handled in a particular order	01:34
+perlDreamer	you can guarantee that template always overrides templatePacked	01:34
+perlDreamer	and inheritUrlFromParent	01:34
+perlDreamer	and otheres	01:34
scrottie2	Haarg, do you have an example of one of these false alarms?	01:36
CIA-70	webgui: Chris Hanson webgui-7.9 * rffb5f1d / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed #12056: Adding a Thing always creates a table - http://bit.ly/i0gZkU	01:45
@pbcj	anyone know, off hand, what you have to put in your shell scripts to tell autocompletion what's available?	01:48
@pbcj	also, in wg8, where did "import template" go? is that just mia for now?	01:49
@pbcj	s/template/package/	01:49
+perlDreamer	set filec	01:50
scrottie2	hmm? wgd package -i installs a package	01:52
+perlDreamer	pbcj, a little context please?	01:52
+perlDreamer	are you missing some API, UI or something else?	01:52
scrottie2	pbcj, you have a WebGUI8 up and running... do you have a cache of UNIVERSAL::isa warnings you can nopaste up to me?	01:53
+perlDreamer	scrottie2, if you want UNIVERSAL::isa warnings, just take any branch of WebGUI and run the test suite on it	01:53
+perlDreamer	capture stderr and stdout into a file	01:53
+perlDreamer	here: http://gist.github.com/908960	01:54
+perlDreamer	10% of that file is UNIVERSAL::isa warnings	01:54
@pbcj	scrottie: wgd is well and good for me, but not for an end-user	01:55
@pbcj	perlDreamer: in 8 op=assetManager is gone and we have only op=admin, so the button that lets you import a .wgpkg is mia	01:56
+perlDreamer	that's a bummer	01:56
+perlDreamer	maybe there's a new way to do that?	01:56
scrottie2	pbcj, what "import template" are you talking about? the upgrade/installer scripts will read wgpkgs	01:56
@pbcj	it is, and now I'm sad	01:56
+perlDreamer	scrottie2: he's talking about the user interface	01:56
+perlDreamer	asset manager	01:56
scrottie2	ah	01:57
+perlDreamer	pbcj, you can always file a ticket on the 8 board	01:57
+perlDreamer	if Doug has forgotten something, that's the best way to handle it	01:57
scrottie2	ah, not used to seeing those in WebGUI7 output... but saw lots of them working with 8. guess I was running the test suite more then.	01:57
+perlDreamer	and if it's new, he'll clue you in	01:57
@pbcj	asset management is not complete.. so I mentioned it here hoping he'd chiirp in some sorta "I know, I know, grumble"	01:58
+perlDreamer	preaction_ does not grumble. He ...	01:58
+perlDreamer	well, okay, he grumbles	01:58
@pbcj	callin it a day folks, l8	01:59
scrottie2	later pbcj.	01:59
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Haarg	perlDreamer, the issue with packed templates does currently exist, but you are correct that it could be fixed by changing the order	02:12
Haarg	looking at addRevision though, it seems like it should work differently	02:13
Haarg	seems like it should initialize the new asset object in memory, then call update with the provided properties	02:13
Haarg	i tried doing that, but a couple attempts didn't work out	02:14
+perlDreamer	I haven't seen 8 code in 4-5 months	02:14
Haarg	i know the addChild/addRevision could use some refactoring, but doing it well is tricky	02:15
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@preaction_	yes, import package is missing. it's supposed to be a whole admin plugin	02:34
@preaction_	paul may have been doing some work in the packages area, not sure if that was done or if something else superceded it	02:35
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r70cf625 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : migrate survey submenu items to asset helpers - http://bit.ly/htN2f7	03:21
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5f66eaa / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : remove the last references to addSubmenuItem in Survey - http://bit.ly/hkgQQS	03:23
@preaction_	okay! on to returnable and editable template asset objects	03:24
@preaction_	that should remove a minor chunk of code and make things generally easier to override	03:24
@preaction_	i really wish we could remove style templates in favor of template toolkit's wrapper functionality	03:43
@preaction_	i'm loathe to add any half-way features that could facilitate a move towards it	03:48
@preaction_	QUESTION! Should they be "template param" like CGI and H::T? or should they be "template var" because it's shorter?	04:07
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r13e8040 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm t/Asset/Template.t): add setParam, getParam, deleteParam to template assets - http://bit.ly/eaWiYl	04:47
@preaction_	if I'm passing a template up the stack, would it be useful for that template to be available to middleware BEFORE it gets processed?	05:14
@preaction_	WebGUI::Session::Style has way too many different ways to override what style template is used in what situation...	05:31
+perlDreamer	yes it does	05:37
@preaction_	i was considering moving all that style stuff into a Template::Style subclass, but that might have to wait	05:41
+perlDreamer	just document what you want well enough that someone as unoriginal as I could pick up and help with it later	05:41
@preaction_	it'd be API destroying	05:42
+perlDreamer	that hasn't stopped us yet	05:42
@preaction_	at least, i think it would be	05:42
@preaction_	it has stopped me many times	05:42
@preaction_	this template stuff i'm doing is 100% backwards compatible	05:43
+perlDreamer	but the whole core asset API was changed	05:44
+perlDreamer	and the Session API with the reorg	05:44
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@preaction_	yes, those were planned breakages done months ago, i can't justify any more reorg until i have 8.0 ready for release	05:45
@preaction_	this little thing is being done to fix some problems with the www_edit methods, for reference	05:48
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * radb67b2 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template.pm t/Asset/Template.t): add style parameter to template assets to store a style template id - http://bit.ly/hLgBFm	05:50
@preaction_	3 lines in WebGUI.pm will probably take me 40 lines to test :p	05:52
+perlDreamer	testing, it's a curse for sure	06:02
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@preaction_	actually i lied, i just need a content handler that returns a template object, but it seems that WebGUI.pm isn't actually tested anywhere	06:03
@preaction_	it's only tested via its side-effects	06:03
@preaction_	well, t/PSGI/default-site.t maybe	06:03
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@khenn	hey Haarg	21:27
Haarg	hey khenn	21:27
@khenn	do you know if Moose allows you to create constants?	21:27
@khenn	I want to create a variable	21:27
@khenn	call it foo	21:27
@khenn	and I want it to be a constant, available without creating a new object	21:28
@khenn	$My::Class::variable	21:28
@khenn	er	21:28
@khenn	$My::Class::foo	21:28
@khenn	I guess	21:28
@khenn	meh, I'll do it a different way	21:29
Haarg	you can do that the same as you would do if you weren't using Moose	21:29
Haarg	our $foo	21:29
@khenn	could I export it instead?	21:31
@khenn	I imagine that would work	21:31
Haarg	yeah	21:31
@khenn	thankx	21:32
@khenn	s	21:32
scrottie2	use constant foo => 10; use Perl6::Export; sub foo is export(:DEFAULT);	21:54
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@pbcj	is there a Plack / Starman directive that does the same as Apache2::Reload?	23:27
@pbcj	I want modperl to reload with each request under plack	23:27
fokat	Quick question.	23:35
fokat	I have a site where the users log in & out quite frequently.	23:36
fokat	The userLoginLogs table is growing (2.5MM records as we speak) and authentication takes upwards of 10 seconds.	23:36
fokat	We're finding this query in the slow log	23:36
+perlDreamer	pbcj: i don't see any option for starman to autoreload	23:36
@pbcj	at least it's not just me	23:37
@pbcj	=(	23:37
fokat	> SELECT DISTINCT userId FROM userLoginLog WHERE	23:37
fokat	> timeStamp < '1299439893'	23:37
fokat	> ORDER BY timeStamp;	23:37
fokat	(obviously with different timestamps	23:37
fokat	)	23:37
fokat	Even running the WF to expire sessions, these records are still there. We believe this happens because the WF cannot remove everything in the allocated time slot, and thus the net result is an ever-growing table.	23:38
fokat	What would be lost if we modified Auth.pm to suppress logging into this table?	23:38
+perlDreamer	fokat, which version of WebGUI are you using?	23:38
fokat	7.8.24	23:39
@preaction_	pbcj: plackup -r	23:39
+perlDreamer	fokat, I'm pretty sure that in more recent WebGUI's that query has been optimized to run faster	23:39
+perlDreamer	search the bog board for userLoginLog and see what shakes out	23:39
fokat	ok	23:39
@pbcj	preaction my goal is to just change the file and refresh my browser	23:39
@preaction_	pbcj: more specifically: -r -R etc <- -r reloads modules, -R etc adds any changes to files in /data/WebGUI/etc	23:39
fokat	perlDreamer, thanks, will do.	23:40
@pbcj	ah, that will work	23:40
@preaction_	uh... we can't control the browser, http doesn't work like that	23:40
@preaction_	oh, nm	23:40
@pbcj	-R /data/WebGUI	23:40
@preaction_	no	23:40
@preaction_	you don't want to restart if the t/ directory changes, or the docs/ directory, or the share/ directory	23:41
@preaction_	-r <- any module in memory	23:41
@preaction_	-R etc <- any file inside etc/	23:41
+perlDreamer	-R /data/WebGUI/lib	23:41
@preaction_	no	23:41
@preaction_	-r covers that	23:41
+perlDreamer	ah, I see	23:42
+perlDreamer	I was thinking you had to list the modules in -r	23:42
+perlDreamer	which would suck	23:42
@preaction_	man plackup; explains it all	23:43
+perlDreamer	napping may help, too	23:44
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb8dec21 / (lib/WebGUI.pm t/WebGUI.t): allow templates to be returned from content handlers - http://bit.ly/fjQJRt	23:45
@pbcj	heh, indeed it does. rtfm ftw. I went looking in pod.	23:58
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@pbcj	my IDE doesn't pick up sugared methods =(	00:01
@pbcj	in my code view window... " override addRevision => sub " is MIA	00:01
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scrottie2	my local WebGUI env birotted something terrible...	00:43
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4a58f57 / (lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): Provide a method to see if a storage location exists. This is handy for testing. - http://bit.ly/ijYkvm	02:28
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r09305a9 / (lib/WebGUI/Storage.pm t/Storage.t): Provide a method to see if a storage location exists. This is handy for testing. - http://bit.ly/hsLZRe	02:28
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elnino	hi	05:58
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Baub_	hello	21:50
Baub_	quick question	21:50
@preaction_	go ahead	21:50
Baub_	I installed the webgui package, and now i know there's a file somewhere that tells me what setup stuff i need to do to get started	21:51
Baub_	can't find where that is	21:51
@preaction_	the debian package?	21:51
Baub_	yea	21:51
@preaction_	/usr/share/webgui maybe?	21:51
@preaction_	/usr/share/doc/webgui/README.Debian.gz	21:52
Baub_	yay!!!	21:52
Baub_	may happiness fall from the sky and dance a jig in your soup, preaction_	21:53
@preaction_	that sounds unsanitary	21:53
Baub_	that path needs to be written down somewhere	21:54
@preaction_	most of us don't use the dpkg, we install from source. i use OSX	21:55
Baub_	is summer here yet?	21:59
Getty	<magicball> No	22:09
Getty	i use debian but sadly not webgui, so general debian question i can help, if there is something	22:10
Baub_	i got talked into using mint	22:27
Baub_	it's ok sofar	22:27
Baub_	actually no, i tried regular debian but the install cd decided to give me a broken resolution setting	22:28
Baub_	i don't blame debian tho, this junky computer has some kind obscure video card	22:31
* Baub_ kicks old computer		22:31
* Baub_ has a bit of a cold :(		22:33
* Baub_ shakes fist at the weather		22:34
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Baub_	well that's enuf progress for today	22:54
Baub_	tnx for the help :D	22:55
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scrottie2	Baub_, you can always configures xorg.conf to use the vesa driver and try that. should work on about anything.	23:46
scrottie2	oh, you left.	23:46
scrottie2	what do you mean that it has been more than five minutes since I read the scrollog?	23:48
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@pbcj	heyyyoooooo	18:39
+perlDreamer	morning pbcj	18:40
+perlDreamer	someone needs to come up with an app that lets you type so that it sounds like you have a bad cold	18:40
@pbcj	There's no app for that?	18:44
@pbcj	you just found your market niche	18:44
+perlDreamer	the app will be called SickO	18:46
+perlDreamer	and eventually you'll be able to choose which sickness you have, and it will alter your typing style accordingly	18:47
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r79c7140 / t/Asset/Wobject/Article.t : Move Article.t over to using the new storage API for checking for storage location existance. - http://bit.ly/eOmqh9	18:56
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguians	19:34
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf2b5f35 / t/Asset/Wobject/Article.t : Move Article.t over to using the new storage API for checking for storage location existance. - http://bit.ly/gIk6Sy	19:35
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1a462d4 / t/Asset/AssetExportHtml.t : for exportRelatedAssetIds, Don't create a version tag unless it's needed, and then don't restore it unless it exists. Otherwise, the tag leaks and breaks downstream tests. - http://bit.ly/gx2gE5	19:35
+perlDreamer	howdy zylopfa	19:36
zylopfa	I was thinking about making some www_ functions to DataForm and SQLReport to export json also	19:37
zylopfa	so you can use it with Jquery and other js libraries that take json as input	19:38
zylopfa	the problem i have with dataform is that you cant check for unique keys, say if an email already exist	19:42
zylopfa	Its always needed with an unique key whenever you store things i have found out	19:42
zylopfa	Might make a "UniqueKey" form control to fix that but i think i cant figure out the queries you have to do with those forms	19:43
zylopfa	I might aswell sit down and figure it out	19:44
+perlDreamer	have you thought about using Thingy instead of DataForm?	20:00
+perlDreamer	it already has a AJAX interface with json	20:00
+perlDreamer	for several operations	20:00
zylopfa	yeah i love that also made it use jquery	20:00
@pbcj	including rendering to an alternate template =)	20:00
zylopfa	but my main problem with both is that none of them can define a unique key	20:00
zylopfa	For example if i want to make a Thingy thates called "Newsletter Members"	20:01
zylopfa	and i have email,name,somemoredata i need it to check if the email already exist	20:01
zylopfa	I realy need this for anything. also if i wanna make a dvd library with thingy	20:02
zylopfa	i need to be sure the same title is not in 2 times	20:02
+perlDreamer	I think the Thingy would be a better platform to start with, rather than the DataForm	20:03
zylopfa	yeah i agree there perlDreamer	20:03
zylopfa	have already made a wobject to make Jquery grid tables	20:03
zylopfa	from thingy	20:03
zylopfa	Just the sql queryes to check for the dublicate is insane for me	20:03
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zylopfa	but yeah you are right i should make my changes to thingy instead	20:04
+perlDreamer	if you set the column in the thingy to be unique	20:04
zylopfa	can you do thaet?	20:04
zylopfa	that?	20:04
+perlDreamer	not currently	20:04
+perlDreamer	you'd have to find a way to trap the SQL error coming back	20:04
+perlDreamer	but that's a different problem	20:04
zylopfa	yeah	20:05
zylopfa	Dont you agree with me that there should be a posibility to set a field unique?	20:05
+perlDreamer	I think it would be a handy feature	20:05
zylopfa	yeah	20:05
+perlDreamer	I was thinking the other day it might be nice to limit the number of entries in a Thingy	20:06
zylopfa	ahh yeah that also	20:06
+perlDreamer	I have a customer who wants to use Thingy for a light weight registration system	20:06
zylopfa	www_editThingDataSaveViaAjax i need to change first	20:06
+perlDreamer	but you can't limit the number of slots available	20:06
zylopfa	Ahh so its kind of like "first come first serve" ?	20:07
zylopfa	so there are certain slots available?	20:07
+perlDreamer	like having 25 seats available in a class	20:07
+perlDreamer	the EventManagementSystem is setup for that	20:07
zylopfa	Oii nicee	20:07
+perlDreamer	but you can't require other data fields on registration	20:07
+perlDreamer	and it's so huge to setup	20:07
zylopfa	yeah :(	20:08
zylopfa	I will make this unique thing asap	20:08
zylopfa	I realy realy need it for quick deployment	20:08
+perlDreamer	be sure to file it as an RFE and maybe preaction will allow it into the core	20:08
zylopfa	sounds awesome	20:08
CIA-70	webgui: Chris Hanson master * r16ca35d / docs/credits.txt : Added myself to credits =) - http://bit.ly/e3BSor	20:09
CIA-70	webgui: Chris Hanson master * r45fca0c / (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/plainblack/webgui - http://bit.ly/gpol2T	20:09
@preaction	unique columns would be fine in thingy	20:09
zylopfa	yeah its realy needed imo	20:10
@preaction	row limits may be fine as well	20:10
@preaction	so if you add unique columns to thingy, we can add it to core	20:10
zylopfa	If i can figure out the queries to see if something exists i will also make the nr of columns thing	20:10
zylopfa	I mean row limit	20:10
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@preaction	unique columns is what you want i think. row limit was what colin wanted	20:17
zylopfa	yeah but i might make that also	20:17
@preaction	ah	20:17
@preaction	we'd certainly appreciate it	20:17
zylopfa	well you did an amazing work with Thingy its an insane good asset	20:17
@preaction	don't blame me, it was yung iirc	20:18
zylopfa	haaa ;D	20:18
@pbcj	...except it's name implies you've forgotten the word you're looking for...	20:19
zylopfa	its a good name	20:19
@preaction	we've discussed internally changing the name, but I think that'll probably wait until v2, where Thingy becomes more of a site-wide ORM system working alongside DBIC to create a data layer that can be reported and managed using assets	20:20
+perlDreamer	we couldn't think of a good name, so I proposed we call it a Thingy	20:20
@preaction	hm... but i suppose i should write that plan down somewhere so i don't lose track of it...	20:21
+perlDreamer	that was chosen over Whatsit	20:21
zylopfa	haaa! then thingy wins by miles	20:21
@pbcj	I might get shot for mentioning it.. but you know how .Net has class content separation? I'd love to seperate HTML content and definition from the actual code of a particular class.	20:22
* pbcj thinks he actually heard someone say "pfff" from here		20:23
+perlDreamer	yeah, because .Net decided to reinvent separation of concerns and give it a new name	20:24
@pbcj	it's just that my poor mouse-wheel scrolling finger is become very beefy	20:24
@preaction	it's called MVC, and yes webgui is evolving that way	20:24
@preaction	if i had my druthers, 9 would be rewritten in Catalyst	20:24
@pbcj	sorta, yes, but I'm thinking more .cs vs .designer.cs	20:24
@preaction	huh?	20:24
@pbcj	seperates out the form code from the logic code, MVC or not	20:25
@frodwith	such that .designer.cs is what's build by the VS drag-and-droppy tools	20:25
@preaction	sounds like a template system to me	20:25
@frodwith	it's not a template system.	20:25
@preaction	oh, it's like XCode's formbuilder thing	20:25
@frodwith	it's "here's the part of the class that we generated with the ide"	20:25
@preaction	it's a View	20:26
@frodwith	no, a view is a different thing.	20:26
@pbcj	no, it's just code that you don't need to touch	20:26
@preaction	so it's a library?	20:26
@preaction	code generator?	20:27
@pbcj	but really, I've done it other places... the "partial" keyword lets you make a class from multiple files, so if you have a ridiculous amount of constants or something, you can separate that into it's own file	20:27
@frodwith	the form tools are code generators	20:27
@pbcj	leaving a nice tidy class for you to code logic in	20:27
@preaction	we don't need "partial", because we have MI	20:27
@frodwith	those do totally different things :-/	20:27
@pbcj	so I'm writing an asset's install/upgrade method	20:27
@frodwith	what pbcj is talking about is the asinine crap that we do with Asset.pm, AssetExportHtml.pm, AssetLineage.pm, etc.	20:28
@pbcj	there you go	20:28
@pbcj	... I'm putting the template markup in the asset so I can use installClass.pl ...	20:28
@pbcj	it's making this class huge	20:29
@preaction	pbcj: you could make a wgpkg file and import that	20:29
@pbcj	it would qualify for it's own file, imho	20:29
@frodwith	what preaction said	20:29
@pbcj	you'd think so	20:29
@frodwith	ship the template with the asset as a package	20:29
@preaction	and yes, we have plans to make plugins easier to install, they're just long-term plans	20:29
@preaction	some kind of plugin package file, along with working from a cpan dist or a source directory	20:30
@pbcj	this is an upgrade, and must update existing templates	20:30
@preaction	and wgpkg does exactly that	20:30
@pbcj	it did not behave for me	20:30
@preaction	it uses revision dates to determine if the asset should be upgraded, perhaps that was the problem?	20:31
@preaction	also, i think there's a way to bypass that, or maybe someone just wanted that feature and it hasn't gone in yet	20:31
+perlDreamer	there is	20:31
+perlDreamer	we use it in the upgrade switch	20:32
scrottie2	I thought it uses the existance of the asset's database table to decide if it should be upgraded or installed.	20:32
+perlDreamer	since shunt upgrades didn't work right	20:32
scrottie2	oh, wgpkgs. yeah.	20:32
+perlDreamer	morning, scrottie\d	20:32
scrottie2	hey perlDreamer.	20:32
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@preaction	and yeah, installClass.pl is not the perfect solution, but it saved me from the boilerplate that we had previously	20:33
scrottie0	the whole template idiom is stupid.	20:33
@pbcj	tell us how you really feel	20:33
@preaction	requiring templates to be assets in the asset tree is limiting, yes	20:33
@pbcj	okay, so you fully recommend I attempt me some wgd package action	20:33
+perlDreamer	yup	20:33
@preaction	a share/tmpl directory with all the default templates would be awesome, and then it'd prevent any web user from being able to change them	20:34
@preaction	win-win!	20:34
scrottie0	pbcj, Frank likes having his HTML in with his Perl but as far I know, no one else likes it. if you don't like it, .wgpkgs is what most people do.	20:34
@pbcj	I don't, in fact	20:34
@preaction	other win: we could track changes in git and use our personal editors to edit the templates	20:34
@pbcj	I would love quick and dirty access to templates	20:34
@pbcj	other than wgd edit	20:35
scrottie0	I actually don't mind. aside from templates being stupid, I'm not sure why people are so hung ho about DSLs and at the same time so opposed to mixing languages. perl based pseudo language? great! different language intertwined? hell no!	20:35
@frodwith	It doesn't really seem like it'd be hard to make templates able to live on the filesystem	20:35
@pbcj	frodwith FTW	20:36
@preaction	it wouldn't, we have namespaces to map to a folder in share/tmpl just fine	20:36
@pbcj	scrottie.. i dunno about that, templates are the shizzznight, it clearly seperates the data from presentation	20:36
scrottie0	frodwith, someone had done just that, but approaching it from the other direction. they used FUSE to wire up a directory structure/file view of assets and templates.	20:36
@frodwith	yeah, but that doesn't really address pbcj's issue	20:36
* pbcj has more than one issue....		20:37
@frodwith	well, the larger issue is "we'd like to be able to ship templates as code"	20:37
@frodwith	because they are. The default ones should live with the codebase.	20:37
@frodwith	and be read-only.	20:37
scrottie0	no reason WebGUI::Asset couldn't be turned into an interface definition and two or more implementations be created, one of them using wgpkg style JSON files for storage.	20:39
scrottie0	I'd really like to a see a small core of WebGUI, suitable for programming custom stuff against rather than deploying as-is, that didn't require an RDBMS	20:39
@preaction	and then we're back to MVC	20:41
@preaction	which i've gotten over being against	20:41
@frodwith	Well, without going that far even, we could have a directory that we read on-disk assets from, store the assetid/revisiondates in the files, and then we go to load an asset say... "on filesystem? read from filesystem : read from db"	20:41
scrottie0	no, were aren't back to MVC.	20:42
scrottie0	stop mixing those idioms.	20:42
@frodwith	preaction likes to pretend he knows what he's talking about	20:42
@preaction	it's how i establish my dominance over my minions	20:45
@frodwith	that's only funny when it isn't true	20:46
@preaction	or when you're the minion :p	20:46
+perlDreamer	pbcj: just to double check, when you fixed the TimeChooser form plugin it was changed to no longer need timeChooser.html in extras, right?	21:03
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rcaa1639 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Survey.pm : fix syntax error :p - http://bit.ly/gsdLeZ	21:34
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra3c6a2f / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : missing required module App::Cmd for WebGUI::Command - http://bit.ly/iiQImp	21:34
zylopfa	perlDreamer,	21:58
zylopfa	damn hes away ;D	22:00
@pbcj	perlDreamer: yes	22:07
zylopfa	haa ;D	22:07
zylopfa	I made the Unique field in the Thingy	22:07
zylopfa	So in the edit field, you can now choose: Is Unique (Yes,no)	22:08
zylopfa	then it checks to see if the database field already have the value you are trying to insert	22:09
@pbcj	sweet. now add referencia intergrity ;)	22:09
zylopfa	whats that?	22:09
@pbcj	"referencial" i meant	22:10
zylopfa	whats that? :O	22:10
@pbcj	I'm kidding, of course.... it's what makes foreign keys "strict" in relational databases	22:10
zylopfa	Ahhh!	22:10
zylopfa	It was easy to make this just made a new function isUniqueEntry($thingId,$fieldName,$fieldValue)	22:11
zylopfa	Maybe i should also make so if you make a key unique after the thingy has been made, then it offer to remove all the "un-unique" items	22:15
zylopfa	Or tells the user to do it, dont know realy	22:15
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@pbcj	since these are flat tables, removing nonunique items would be a hand full. which item do you save? really it should need to have a already unique or empty condition in order to turn on	22:31
zylopfa	yeah or it will just be unique from the time the user change the field	22:45
zylopfa	but yeah your idea is good	22:45
zylopfa	it will just tell that they cant make the field unique before they have removed the doublets	22:45
zylopfa	perlDreamer will be happy now, i made his "max entries allowed of this thingy" feature	22:49
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfaddfc5 / www/extras/timeChooser.html : Cleanup loose file leftover from the TimeField form plugin rewrite. - http://bit.ly/i5xFyZ	23:16
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r3a2b28e / (3 files in 2 dirs): allow adding formbuilder fields at specific positions - http://bit.ly/fzBHPJ	23:25
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r332a734 / (lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder/Role/HasObjects.pm t/FormBuilder.t): do not remove an element while splicing - http://bit.ly/hIo2Fu	23:25
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rd7fd89c / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm :	23:25
CIA-70	webgui: move save buttons out into www_add and www_edit	23:25
CIA-70	webgui: Buttons are specific to those views of the form, not to any other,	23:25
CIA-70	webgui: so they should only be included on www_add and www_edit. - http://bit.ly/hQDi8k	23:25
+perlDreamer	preaction, is replacing TinyMCE with YUI Editor still on the table?	23:28
+perlDreamer	it's listed in several bug reports as an option	23:28
+perlDreamer	but we replaced Editor with TinyMCE in the Carousel	23:28
@preaction	no. it's one of those times where people will be pissed off no matter which option we choose	23:28
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I finished the thingy	23:29
zylopfa	Unique fields + "maximum allowed amount of things"	23:29
zylopfa	of a thingy	23:29
@preaction	that was a side-effect of what i did, which was make Carousel use our existing APIs. I want our existing APIs to have YUI Rich Editor and TinyMCE and some markdown editor, etc...	23:29
+perlDreamer	TinyMCE will work as a markdown editor	23:30
+perlDreamer	it has a plugin for that	23:30
+perlDreamer	hang on, it'll work as a bbcode editor	23:30
+perlDreamer	markdown is different, isn't it?	23:30
+perlDreamer	nice work zylopfa	23:30
zylopfa	Its awesome now	23:31
zylopfa	I also tested it very thouroughly	23:32
zylopfa	Your was the easiest to make	23:32
@preaction	markdown is a way of inputting something that can be transformed into html. for our purposes, it would require some unfriendly code on save/restore, we'd be much better off storing the actual markdown, but it all ends up as html	23:32
zylopfa	I need to patch against the latest stable i guess, i got 7.9.13-stable myself atm	23:32
@preaction	we'd be best off if our fields decided what was stored in the DB and what was displayed in the template, but that's a rather fundamental change	23:33
@preaction	zylopfa: patch against latest beta, actually. this is a feature, so it goes in beta.	23:33
zylopfa	alrighty!	23:33
zylopfa	I will download the beta and install it on my test machine and make the changes and test them against the beta and then do a patch	23:34
+perlDreamer	preaction, we can accept the patch and then write tests against it, right?	23:37
@preaction	sure	23:37
@preaction	in fact, honestly, that's the workflow i'd prefer if the author doesn't want to write tests. then, bonus, more than one person knows the code	23:37
+perlDreamer	it wouldn't hurt for the author to write tests either though, right?	23:38
@preaction	of course not	23:38
zylopfa	I dont know how to :(	23:39
@preaction	not a problem	23:40
zylopfa	And i read the chapter about it in the developer guide its wizzardry for me	23:40
zylopfa	but i gotta learn some time	23:40
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, if you can hack the Thingy, testing can be learned	23:40
zylopfa	Awesome!	23:41
+perlDreamer	preaction does it, frodwith does it, pbcj does it, scrottie0 can write tests	23:41
+perlDreamer	you too can write tests	23:41
@preaction	question to the audience: Should all WebGUI::Form::Button instances load YUI button JS and stuff? I say yes, as it is progressive enhancement and unifies all our buttons and makes them look pretty	23:41
zylopfa	yeah!	23:41
+perlDreamer	if one button doesn't need it, then progressive enhancement doesn't matter	23:41
+perlDreamer	but unifying them all would be nice	23:41
+perlDreamer	unless someone put the buttons right into the perl code/template instead of using form controls	23:42
@preaction	well, as part of the unifying, we do make it more complicated to style	23:42
@pbcj	I say yes, API that shit	23:42
@preaction	for custom buttons, they could use that ^FormControl; macro that's been discussed but not implemented yet	23:43
@preaction	and with YUI button, we could add icons and other fun stuff	23:43
+perlDreamer	without losing accessibility?	23:43
+perlDreamer	big customers like accessibility in WebGUI	23:43
@preaction	the icons wouldn't be part of the inaccessible button, for various reasons that boil down to IE6-7 supporting <button> like crap	23:44
Haarg	the one issue i see with that is if you are using yui dialogs in other places already	23:45
@preaction	the idea being if the YUI button is the API, we can provide more visual options to the user	23:45
Haarg	loading yui button will change how they work	23:45
Haarg	and look	23:45
@preaction	unacceptably? do the dialogs break?	23:46
Haarg	most likely not	23:46
Haarg	visual change is the only thing that is likely to happen	23:46
@pbcj	I should point out that some designers rely heavily on jQuery to implement visual change	23:46
@preaction	that's good enough for me, we'll keep it in 8 anyway. i've got a few weeks to spend just putzing around making sure everything looks nice	23:46
Haarg	if you had code poking around in the generated buttons though that could cause problems	23:46
Haarg	i doubt there is anywhere that was done though	23:46
@preaction	adding event listeners?	23:47
Haarg	adding them how?	23:47
@preaction	YAHOO.util.Event.addListener("buttonId")	23:47
Haarg	if you create a yui dialog and tell it to add buttons, usually you tell it what to run for them as you define them	23:47
@preaction	in theory, the proper way	23:47
Haarg	new YAHOO.widget.Dialog('blah', { buttons: [ { ... } ] } );	23:49
Haarg	buttons created like that is what i'm talking about	23:49
@pbcj	if you do it that way, it not longer is a part of WebGUI::Form::Button, tho	23:49
@preaction	ah	23:49
Haarg	and you defined the handler for the button right along with the text and w/e	23:49
@preaction	what he's saying is that just loading button.js from yahoo changes how those buttons look. if it doesn't have button.js, they're just <input type="button">	23:49
Haarg	yes	23:50
Haarg	changes how they look and changes the html generated for them	23:50
Haarg	unlikely to cause any issues aside from a visual change though	23:50
@pbcj	whats the nix command to perform an operation on a set of files:	23:52
@pbcj	find . -name 'root_' \| awk or-something	23:52
@preaction	you could do that, yes	23:52
Haarg	ls \| xargs rm	23:52
@preaction	what operation? you could just as easily pipe to perl to perform anything awk can do	23:53
Haarg	or find . -exec cat {} \;	23:53
@pbcj	xargs, indeed	23:53
@preaction	xargs has a specific use-case though, so read its manpage	23:53
Haarg	or replace \; with + to replace {} with multiple files instead of one	23:53
Haarg	if you are using find, -exec is usually a better alternative to xargs	23:54
@preaction	find has now become a lot more useful to me	23:54
@pbcj	perfect, ty	23:57
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zylopfa	Damn i justg installed webgui and the new wre	00:24
zylopfa	but now it says Service-temporarely-unavailable :(	00:24
@preaction	zylopfa: check the modperl and webgui error logs	00:27
zylopfa	Connection refused: proxy: HTTP: attempt to connect to 127.0.0.1:8081 (*) failed	00:29
zylopfa	in the modproxy error log	00:29
@preaction	right, that means modperl isn't responding. the reason for that could be in the modperl or the webgui error logs	00:31
zylopfa	Hmm also something about missing Net/CDIR/Lite	00:31
zylopfa	thats in the modperl log	00:31
@preaction	you need to run testEnvironment.pl from /data/WebGUI/sbin	00:32
zylopfa	thanks a lot	00:32
zylopfa	it wont work, i got 64 bit make, so it wont compile the c things for some of the module	00:34
zylopfa	I could cheat and make it on my 32 bit machine and copy it over	00:39
zylopfa	else i need a crosscompiling toolchain	00:40
@preaction	or you could try building the latest WRE as 64bit	00:40
@preaction	the git version, that is	00:40
zylopfa	:O	00:40
zylopfa	Does it work now??	00:40
zylopfa	Had some hard problems with it half a year ago	00:41
zylopfa	so much that i had to run my production machines in 32bit	00:41
@preaction	afaik it works	00:41
zylopfa	Will test it thanks a lot!	00:41
@preaction	Question for the audience: Should every WebGUI::Form::Control include a css class name in the wrapper, based on its package? WebGUI::Form::Button has "wg-form-button" class no matter what	00:44
zylopfa	yeah but cant you override it in the definition if you want?	00:45
@preaction	you could add your own, but this is more for designers who come after the programmers	00:46
scrottie0	ideally, yeah, that would be nice.	00:46
@preaction	more unification of purpose and design	00:47
zylopfa	yeah let em thing least possible	00:47
scrottie0	It might be an 8.1 feature though.	00:47
@preaction	i can fake it pretty well right now	00:47
@preaction	and i need to replace the class="forwardButton" that our current Submit button does by default	00:48
@preaction	nm, they aren't the same thing, but i'm already done so i'll just commit	00:54
@preaction	it'll help me make the forms pretty	00:55
@preaction	humph. i'm only adding it to the wrapper div. is that sufficient?	00:58
scrottie0	get the rope.	00:59
+perlDreamer	hangin's too good fer that	01:00
+perlDreamer	get the rack	01:00
@preaction	you could do worse: you could make me work!	01:00
* preaction shudders		01:00
+perlDreamer	I though you were working?	01:01
@preaction	yes, but by choice! if you were to force me, it wouldn't be my choice anymore	01:03
@preaction	i'd be a SLAVE	01:03
+perlDreamer	you're not going to bring up that minion thing again, are you?	01:03
@preaction	uh, i didn't. you did	01:03
@preaction	and now it's pushed, so you all can't say no anymore!	01:04
+perlDreamer	I did it!	01:06
+perlDreamer	it's too late to stop me now	01:06
+perlDreamer	I've updated TinyMCE in the core	01:06
+perlDreamer	muahahahahah	01:06
@preaction	and now that i get to the actual problem i want to solve, making the asset edit form a template, i realize formbuilder can't do it yet. back to more side-jobs...	01:06
@preaction	NOOOOOOOOOOO!	01:06
+perlDreamer	try and merge that into WebGUI 8	01:06
@preaction	Is that a challenge, sir? Are you challenging me?	01:07
+perlDreamer	ya	01:07
@preaction	oh, right then	01:07
+perlDreamer	Step on up to the version control	01:08
@preaction	Spin the wheel of merging!	01:08
@preaction	Will it merge? Ask the great wizard Gazoo!	01:08
+perlDreamer	I say hey man! There's only one way	01:08
+perlDreamer	speaking of spinning, time to talk to the Carousel asset	01:09
+perlDreamer	also, time to take kids to piano lessons	01:14
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zylopfa	Damn it still problems with the iia64 building of wre	01:18
zylopfa	same problems as last time	01:18
@preaction	what problems?	01:21
zylopfa	when it compiles openssl it gets me an error	01:21
zylopfa	md5-x86_64.s:41: Error: 0xd76aa478 out range of signed 32bit displacement	01:21
zylopfa	Its not been patched it seems	01:21
@preaction	and you pulled the wrebuild source from the git repository? and ran ./getsource.sh and ./getperlmodules.sh and ./build.sh --all --ia64?	01:22
zylopfa	found on the net that there is errors in it	01:22
zylopfa	I got the wre sources from the download site	01:22
@preaction	those are the old sources	01:22
zylopfa	:O	01:22
zylopfa	any place where it says how i can get it from github?	01:23
@preaction	help.github.com maybe?	01:23
zylopfa	yeah but your sources	01:23
zylopfa	where are they located	01:23
@preaction	github.com/plainblack/wrebuild	01:23
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7445681 / (lib/WebGUI/Form/Button.pm lib/WebGUI/Form/Submit.pm):	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: add "type" param to button control	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: We're realigning Button and Submit so that Submit is just a	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: pre-configured Button. This should be repeated for other types	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: of form fields. - http://bit.ly/eRARqF	01:24
zylopfa	ahh thanks	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r6791836 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Submit.pm :	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: remove old forwardButton class and "Please Wait..." text	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: We'll add similar functionality using the YUI button stuff - http://bit.ly/g6caOb	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0c25620 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Submit.pm :	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: redefine a submit button in terms of a normal button	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: in short: override new() instead of toHtml to allow changes to be made	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: to the submit button. - http://bit.ly/f0zZAI	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r0168cb1 / (2 files in 2 dirs): add wg-form-TYPE class to all form control wrappers - http://bit.ly/g1ZBr9	01:24
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r38de00f / (429 files in 87 dirs): Upgrade TinyMCE to 3.4.2, fixes bugs 11955, 11992 - http://bit.ly/eYx8aj	01:24
zylopfa	preaction, I have 1 problem with compiling again but not the same place	01:53
zylopfa	/usr/bin/ld: register.o: undefined reference to symbol 'gpg_strerror'	01:53
zylopfa	/usr/bin/ld: note: 'gpg_strerror' is defined in DSO /data/wre/prereqs/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 so try adding it to the linker command line	01:53
zylopfa	I am not so good at c so i dont know how i can add it to the linker	01:53
@preaction	i don't know either, i'd have to try it. post a bug report and include the OS and version so we can try to reproduce	01:55
zylopfa	yeah i am trying to see myself also first	01:55
scrottie0	zylopfa, have you considered the source install option?	01:59
zylopfa	I am building the source of wre	01:59
@preaction	he means without WRE, with vendor packages and WebGUI tarball	01:59
zylopfa	ohh i dont wanna do that again	02:00
zylopfa	did it long time ago and ran only that	02:00
zylopfa	but its to unstable for me	02:00
zylopfa	Haa i made it preaction !	02:05
scrottie0	nice work.	02:13
scrottie0	well, it might be easier to install vendor packages for mysql, httpd, mod_perl, imagemagick, etc, etc and then install WebGUI manually. just a thought, in case you get frustrated with trying to compile things.	02:13
zylopfa	yeah but i have to make it work	02:14
Haarg	why does the wre need gpg?	02:15
zylopfa	no idea	02:15
scrottie0	make what work? the wre?	02:21
zylopfa	yeah now it made error again when building it from source	02:21
scrottie0	hmm. not familiar with that error. add -lgpg-error to LIBS in the Makefile for whatever you're building and try again?	02:22
scrottie0	usually you get an error like that when it can't find a function at all, not when you can.	02:22
zylopfa	yeah i found the gcc line and changed it so it worked	02:23
zylopfa	but i cant figure out how to change it in the makefiles	02:23
zylopfa	But i can see its in the test dir that it makes problems	02:23
zylopfa	i could just ommit that i think	02:23
zylopfa	I dont understand that make shit in gcc :(	02:26
zylopfa	maybe i am lucky this time	02:28
scrottie0	make is okay compared to autoconf and libtool. iee!!!!	02:29
zylopfa	I am just stupid with c i dont know it at all	02:30
scrottie0	usually there's a line that says something like LIBS = -lthis -lthat -lother_thing -L/over/there -lmore_stuff	02:30
zylopfa	I changed the Makefile.in and Makefile	02:30
zylopfa	but when i run the ./build.sh --all --ia64 somehow it changes them again	02:30
scrottie0	yeah. that'll re-run the configure scripts, which clobbers all of that, unless I'm mistaken.	02:31
scrottie0	after you change the Makefile, you have to cd into the build directory for the program and do 'make'	02:31
zylopfa	I did that also	02:31
scrottie0	then 'make install'	02:31
zylopfa	and it made it withtout problem	02:31
zylopfa	ahh yeah the install part!!	02:31
scrottie0	then when you do build.sh, you have to make sure it doesn't get hung up on trying to build that same thing again	02:31
scrottie0	or next time you run build.sh, it'll fail to build and then just stop.	02:31
scrottie0	I think build.sh make take arguments about what to build.	02:33
zylopfa	gnnna see now again	02:33
zylopfa	hope it wont build the thing again that i told it not to	02:34
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zylopfa	I think the build scripts use the standard build libraries instead of the ones in the /date/wre/prereqs	02:38
@preaction	build.sh puts /data/wre/prereqs as PREFIX and then puts all the prereqs/* directories as their appropriate env vars, but not all makes handle that	02:56
zylopfa	damn	02:57
zylopfa	now i also have problems with gnutls-2.8.5	02:58
zylopfa	But its lame cause ldd says where the library it can find the symbol in	02:58
zylopfa	is ^	02:58
zylopfa	'gcry_control@@GCRYPT_1.2' is defined in DSO /data/wre/prereqs/lib/libgcrypt.so.11 so try adding it to the linker command	02:58
zylopfa	But i dont know what to change to make it understand it	02:59
zylopfa	i know i should use -L/data/wre/prereqs/lib -lgcrypt	02:59
zylopfa	ijn that case but i dont know wherre to put it to make it work and compile	02:59
zylopfa	using the whole make hell :(	02:59
scrottie0	what are you currently compiling?	03:01
zylopfa	gnutls-2.8.5	03:02
scrottie0	is there a Makefile in there?	03:02
scrottie0	if you don't see it in the top level directory, do find -name Makefile	03:02
scrottie0	and try to guess which one to edit from the output from the last build attempt	03:03
scrottie0	or edit them all.	03:03
zylopfa	yeah there is a makefile	03:03
zylopfa	ok now it would compile	03:04
zylopfa	the gnutils	03:04
scrottie0	life was so much easier when you just told the things where stuff is rather than ./configure guessing incorrectly and having to fix the damage.	03:05
zylopfa	yeah so true	03:05
zylopfa	But i dont like that the linker suggests where the library is and doesnt use it	03:06
scrottie0	now "portable" means "doesn't even build on Linux". "portable" used to mean "builds on Ultrix, AIX2, Solaris, SYSV and DomainOS"	03:06
zylopfa	haa sick	03:06
scrottie0	hrm. just guessing based on the function name is not going to be very reliable. that's not a good enough system to be automatic.	03:06
zylopfa	when i do ./build.sh --all --ia64	03:06
zylopfa	does it also rebuild makefiles for the things i edited the makefiles for?	03:07
zylopfa	or will it recognize that i already did make;make install there?	03:07
zylopfa	haa bollocks i have to comment it out in the build.sh file also	03:07
scrottie0	./build.sh probably calls configure. configure blows away the Makefiles	03:08
zylopfa	yeah	03:08
zylopfa	so i comment it out in the build.sh the things i manually build	03:08
zylopfa	Its good i have a fast computer for this	03:09
zylopfa	and its awesome you have helped me so well	03:09
zylopfa	I suspect it will make errors again but now i know what to do atleast against link errors	03:09
* scrottie0 tips his imaginary hat		03:10
zylopfa	its some detour i am on i tell you, i was making a patch for Thingy and now i need to install the newest version, with wre	03:10
zylopfa	making the patch took 2 hours installing has taken 3 now and counting	03:11
scrottie0	I thought Doug made some nice 64 WREs ready to be downloaded and installed	03:14
zylopfa	not on my system it seems	03:14
zylopfa	But its also hard for me to install cause i know 0 about makefiles if it goes wrong :(	03:15
scrottie0	oh, wait, ia64...	03:15
zylopfa	yeah	03:15
@preaction	i did, but the URLs are everywhere and nowhere	04:13
zylopfa	I had to download imagemagick manually	04:14
zylopfa	or atleast untar it manully	04:14
zylopfa	cause the one it gets is called ImageMagick.tar.gz and not ImageMagick-X.X.X.tar.gz	04:14
zylopfa	hmm now it had problems with Universal::can	04:16
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r96ee557 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Allow the Rich Editor used by the Carousel to be customized for each Carousel asset instead of inheriting the Editor from the site's Settings. Fixes bug #12100. - http://bit.ly/gj7LG1	04:18
zylopfa	Hmm it didnt download one of the perlmodules needed, not so much a problem	04:23
scrottie0	UNIVERSAL::can and UNIVERSAL::isa are going to make a lot of noise.	04:24
scrottie0	I did epic battle with them and lost.	04:24
zylopfa	The only thing that was wrong with it, is that it didnt download it in getperlmodules.sh	04:25
zylopfa	seemed to compile alright now	04:25
zylopfa	scrottie0, do you know if imageMagick can write to pdf files, or overlay things to them?	04:27
zylopfa	Haa sweet scrottie0 now only 5 more perlmodules that has to compile and install	04:31
scrottie0	nope, don't know. GD will generate pdf output.	04:32
zylopfa	Is that also included in the wre?	04:33
scrottie0	I would assume so. But I don't see it.	04:34
zylopfa	now the moment of truth	04:43
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r4df81cf / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.26 release - http://bit.ly/fpfJ1x	05:00
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r2c9e091 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.27 development. - http://bit.ly/gdRNZM	05:34
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zylopfa	scrottie0, do you know what i should do, if my patch also needs to have a column added to the database?	05:47
scrottie0	you're adding code to WebGUI's core?	05:58
zylopfa	yeah upgrading Thingy	05:58
zylopfa	sopke to preaction and perlDreamer about it	05:58
scrottie0	an installer.... see /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades for examples	05:58
zylopfa	ok I will	05:58
zylopfa	thanks	05:58
scrottie0	you're welcome =)	05:58
zylopfa	I am making unique keys in Thingy	05:59
scrottie0	also a changelog entry	05:59
zylopfa	sure thing	05:59
scrottie0	perlDreamer posted about steps for adding to core	05:59
zylopfa	sweet i will read them asap	05:59
scrottie0	trying to find that... hrmm...	06:00
scrottie0	aha!	06:03
scrottie0	http://www.webgui.org/wiki/commit-policy	06:03
zylopfa	ahh nice thanks a lot that will come in handy	06:03
scrottie0	you're welcome. let me know if you need any tips for any of those things. I didn't mean to just dump a bunch more work on you ;)	06:04
zylopfa	naa its only good i learn those things	06:05
zylopfa	thanks a lot for your help	06:05
scrottie0	my pleasure.	06:12
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zylopfa	I found an error in thingy, or something that was forgotten more likely	15:46
+BartJol	yeah more bugreports	15:49
zylopfa	Its because you can import thing data to a thingy	15:49
zylopfa	with csv files	15:49
zylopfa	and you can set the thingy so you can have a maximum number of entries created pr. user	15:50
zylopfa	but this check is only dont with normal adding of records, not in importing them	15:50
+BartJol	ah	15:51
+BartJol	so then you can add more than the max records	15:52
zylopfa	yeah if you import them from a file rather than creating them via the form	15:52
+BartJol	well, a line count for the file shouldn't be to difficult	15:52
zylopfa	true	15:54
zylopfa	it takes it in sequence and i just stop it when it has reached the limit, by closing the csv file and returning the error	15:54
zylopfa	so we do get the records inserted up to the limit	15:54
zylopfa	I have made it already cause i am making new features for it	15:55
zylopfa	Now I made that you can limit the number of records total	15:56
zylopfa	and you can set thingy fields to be unique	15:56
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+perlDreamer	nginx 1.0 ftw!	20:39
@preaction	yay1	20:46
ckotil	cool	21:07
@preaction	i also just finalized the plan that ends in plainblack.com and webgui.org running 8.0.0	21:08
@preaction	soon my precious	21:08
+perlDreamer	awesome!	21:09
+perlDreamer	8	21:09
+perlDreamer	8	21:09
+perlDreamer	8	21:09
+perlDreamer	death to definition	21:09
@preaction	8 is enough!	21:09
@preaction	we're gonna eat our own dogfood before a new WRE, to try to catch any huge major problems before we offer a beta	21:10
@preaction	so 8.0.0 will be alpha until pb.com and wg.org are behaving correctly	21:10
@preaction	so once we announce the alpha, we can announce the end of the 7.10 beta cycle when 8.0.0 goes beta	21:11
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zylopfa	where is that perlDreamer when one has good news!	22:02
+perlDreamer	on phone	22:02
zylopfa	Sweet you are here!	22:03
zylopfa	I have made the change to Thingy against the beta, so now your thing is on aswell as unique fields	22:03
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+perlDreamer	awesome, thanks zylopfa!	22:14
zylopfa	+ i found a bug ion thingy which i also patched	22:14
zylopfa	problem is now to make the update script, which i havent tried and how to use patch command and all that but i have to find something about it	22:18
+perlDreamer	patching code is easy	22:19
+perlDreamer	for examples on upgrades scripts, see docs/upgrades/*.pl	22:20
+perlDreamer	what's the thingy bug you fixed?	22:20
zylopfa	also 2 columns needed to be added to 2 thingy database tables	22:20
zylopfa	you know that you can set the amount of things a user can add?	22:20
zylopfa	This isn't checked if you add things using CSV upload	22:22
zylopfa	so i added the check for CSV for maxuserrecords and for maxtotalrecords (which was the feature I added)	22:23
@preaction	should asset classes have an API hook for adding settings?	22:24
zylopfa	dont know what that means	22:28
zylopfa	you mean in general?	22:29
zylopfa	adding new settings on thr fly?	22:29
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@preaction	no, having global settings for the asset class. right now, assets only have instance settings (the definition properties)	22:33
@preaction	but i'm adding the feature for assets' normal edit screen (www_edit) to be a template	22:33
@preaction	but i do not want what template to be decided per-asset, because if the template screws up, you can't go into the edit screen to undo that template	22:34
@preaction	so it has to be a setting, so you can change it even if the template it screwed up (that template is not affecting the settings)	22:34
@preaction	but also, we could push out some per-asset settings into per-class or even global settings	22:35
@preaction	default pagination values, for example	22:35
zylopfa	Ahh now i understand	22:36
zylopfa	I think it would be a good idea	22:36
@preaction	a few other bits have settings hooks too, like WebGUI::Auth and WebGUI::Account	22:37
zylopfa	yeah it could be made so it counts for all assets	22:37
@preaction	right, some things could be "all assets", and then you could configure per-asset if you wanted	22:38
@preaction	but mostly it's the ability to allow programmers to have that hook	22:38
zylopfa	yeah i think it would be good	22:38
@preaction	not everything needs to be configured per-instance	22:38
@preaction	also another layer of protection: settings are admins, but asset editing can be given to almost anyone	22:39
@preaction	i'll add it to my list of ideas	22:40
zylopfa	thats a very good idea, cause then you can define what 'frame' the instantiated assets should be inside	22:40
zylopfa	So the ones who place the assets, do so with the settings defined by the programmer/admin	22:40
zylopfa	preaction, what sould i call my upgradescript, or should i leave that to others?	22:41
@preaction	i think Catalyst has a layered configuration system for apps, might be something to take into consideration. we have a lot of config specified in different areas,	22:41
@preaction	you should add your upgrade subroutine to the existing upgrade_7.10.13-7.10.14.pl script (should be the last script in the docs/upgrades directory	22:42
zylopfa	ahh thanks	22:43
zylopfa	so as i see it in this i should create the database columns needed and then what about the change to i18n?	22:43
@preaction	you should add your i18n strings to the existing WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_Thingy.pm file	22:44
zylopfa	ahh ok	22:44
zylopfa	and i need to use the patch command on the Thingy.pm file and my new one to get the patch i guess	22:45
@preaction	if you're working from a fork, you could just commit to your personal fork and then submit a pull request	22:46
@preaction	help.github.com might be able to help you with setting up your own fork and that stuff	22:46
zylopfa	oi thats a big mouthful, i dont work from my own fork	22:47
zylopfa	just something i requested in thingy that i made myself, also something for perlDreamer	22:47
+perlDreamer	doing it in a fork (or branch) is the easiest way for us to merge in your changs	22:48
+perlDreamer	formatting all that as a patch would be tedious	22:48
+perlDreamer	it's much easier to say	22:48
+perlDreamer	git merge zylopfa	22:48
zylopfa	so i can just change the things in my branch?	22:48
@preaction	right	22:48
zylopfa	and then merge it as you call it?	22:48
@preaction	we'd pull in your commits, yes	22:48
zylopfa	so i dont need patch -p0 and that?	22:48
+perlDreamer	no :)	22:48
zylopfa	Sick good	22:49
+perlDreamer	dude, git is the bomb	22:49
zylopfa	1. i18n, 2. upgrade script, 3. Thingy.pl, 4. merge git	22:49
+perlDreamer	git is like fudge topping on top of vanilla ice cream	22:49
+perlDreamer	git is like free toppings on your pizza	22:49
zylopfa	its sick good as you explain it to me	22:49
zylopfa	If it wasnt there you had a problem adding all the patches right?	22:50
@preaction	not really, it'd be more work for you creating them than for us merging them	22:50
zylopfa	ohh and perlDreamer i got my webgui installed on my 64bit test machine now!!	22:50
zylopfa	yeah that was what i ment preaction ;D	22:51
zylopfa	If git wasnt terhe it would be hard for both of us	22:51
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@preaction	https://gist.github.com/f3bc6ccba844c90b2f60 <- bootstrap a DOS dev environment from the bare minimum dos system: IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, and COMMAND.COM	23:08
zylopfa	haa sick good preaction	23:10
zylopfa	you are very good help, i just made my own fork now!	23:11
@preaction	perl 5.12 has been out for 12 months. should we make 8 use it?	23:17
zylopfa	seems like a good idea and its been out there for some time	23:21
Haarg	what would the advantage be?	23:23
@preaction	the unicode fixes, the package syntax, the pluggable keywords, the new each()	23:25
@preaction	the overloading core pragma	23:25
+perlDreamer	we need those things?	23:25
@preaction	no, but we don't need smartmatch or given/when either	23:26
+perlDreamer	no, we do need those because the alternatives suck	23:26
@preaction	so we want them, because the alternatives suck, but the alternatives are perfectly valid	23:27
+perlDreamer	having a native switch statement	23:27
+perlDreamer	and a replacement for isIn are good things	23:27
+perlDreamer	unicode fixes are good things	23:27
@preaction	pluggable keywords == Devel::Declare. overloading pragma may be installable from cpan. package NAME VERSION is just a nice-to-have	23:28
+perlDreamer	I don't see where we need to overload the core in WebGUI	23:28
@preaction	overloading enables or disables <- overloads	23:28
@preaction	like DateTime overloads things	23:28
@preaction	i was having a major problem with DateTime because of its overloads	23:28
+perlDreamer	really? where?	23:29
@preaction	i was trying to diagnose a memory issue	23:29
@preaction	to try to figure out if the object was the same as another, I tried stringification, but DateTime overloads that, and i forget everything else i tried that didn't work	23:30
Haarg	refaddr	23:30
@preaction	the point being this upgrade is just as useful as any other: we could make due without it, but if our tests pass what's stopping us?	23:30
@preaction	it's been 6 months, i forget if i tried that or not	23:31
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* perlDreamer has to head out to pick up kids		23:36
@preaction	does 5.13 contain push $arrayref, LIST? or is that in 5.12?	23:38
Haarg	13	23:38
Haarg	if you plan on always requiring something like the wre, go ahead and bump the version req	23:39
Haarg	but afaik most recent dist releases are still on older versions	23:39
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zylopfa	damn found another bug in thingy	00:13
+perlDreamer	what's the bug, zylopfa?	00:53
+perlDreamer	by the way, it never hurts to file these as bugs	00:53
+perlDreamer	so that people don't report them twice	00:53
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+perlDreamer	uh	01:04
+perlDreamer	hmmm	01:04
zylopfa	perlDreamer,	01:08
+perlDreamer	yessir?	01:08
zylopfa	I fixed the bug myself also	01:08
+perlDreamer	cool	01:08
zylopfa	its in the CSV import again	01:08
+perlDreamer	what's this new bug?	01:08
zylopfa	newly created records via CSV are not stored with createdById and dateCreated and ipAddress	01:09
zylopfa	and hence the MaxEntriesPrUser can be bypassed with CSV upload	01:09
zylopfa	so its 1 error but it does so that maxentriedpruser gets the wrong count cause it use the createdbyid to count	01:10
+perlDreamer	you sure about that?	01:10
zylopfa	yes	01:11
+perlDreamer	It looks like they're stored with updatedByName and updatedById	01:11
zylopfa	when you upload records via CSV it only set the updatedbyid and updatedbyname	01:11
+perlDreamer	but those should only be set if the record already exists	01:11
+perlDreamer	right	01:11
zylopfa	but its not always only updated its also NEW records	01:11
zylopfa	yeah i made it like you already said	01:12
+perlDreamer	cool	01:12
zylopfa	the only thing i need to make now is updatescript	01:12
zylopfa	i have already branched webgui with git	01:12
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zylopfa	eventhough i dont know about versioning systems i think git is easy	01:14
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zylopfa	greetings rizen	01:33
@rizen	salutations	01:33
zylopfa	and that aswell Sir	01:33
@rizen	did you just call me sir? man i've gotten old.	01:34
zylopfa	haaa :D	01:35
+perlDreamer	Don't say old	01:52
+perlDreamer	it makes my joints creak	01:52
zylopfa	are you programming from the elderhome perlDreamer ?	01:52
+perlDreamer	my old rocking chair :)	01:53
zylopfa	Awesome!!	01:53
zylopfa	perlDreamer, i better finish that upgrade script so you can get the thingy!!	01:57
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@preaction	i just spent 4 hours chasing down the problem with: for my $key ( %hash ) { <- forgot keys()...	05:27
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r04a420e / (7 files in 4 dirs): formbuilder toTemplateVars is now complete and tested - http://bit.ly/fydcyF	05:27
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+BartJol	scrottie0: ?	11:15
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@khenn	morning	18:09
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd595cb / (2 files in 2 dirs): Unescape paypal's content before parsing it so that multi-line data is handled correctly. Fixes bug #12103. - http://bit.ly/hJPZVf	18:09
+BartJol	howdy frank	18:12
@khenn	how's it going Bart?	18:12
+BartJol	good, I send some angry mail to a pb employee today :)	18:12
@khenn	oh?	18:13
@khenn	which one?	18:13
@khenn	hopefully Doug	18:13
@khenn	he deserves angry mail	18:13
+BartJol	scott	18:13
+BartJol	there was a lack in his knowledge about our protocols	18:13
@khenn	you should send one to doug as well	18:13
@khenn	ah	18:13
@khenn	that's dougs fault	18:14
+BartJol	but he hasn't done anything wrong to me since the wuc	18:14
@khenn	heh	18:14
+BartJol	but that is nsfw	18:14
@khenn	haha	18:14
@khenn	I won't ask	18:14
@khenn	an I'm not sure I want to know	18:14
+BartJol	you remember Gemma?	18:15
@khenn	how can you forget Gemma	18:17
+BartJol	well, that's enough explanation I suppose	18:17
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+perlDreamer	morning, folks	18:41
SDuensin	ugh	18:42
+perlDreamer	did someone stop on you, SD?	18:43
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@khenn	hello perlDreamer!	19:54
+perlDreamer	howdy khenn	19:54
SDuensin	just that kind of day	19:54
@khenn	sorry to hear that SDuensin	19:55
SDuensin	Life has been kicking me in the head lately.	19:58
+perlDreamer	SDuensin, the old adage about life and lemons doesn't fit with head kicking.	20:16
+perlDreamer	Although I do know a story who was praying for rest and a break, and she got hit in the head with a bowling ball	20:16
+perlDreamer	I really miss WebGUI8's Plack based testing	20:23
@preaction	amen	20:24
@preaction	or the Test::Class stuff. i can add one sub, and test all plugins of that type	20:26
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	20:26
+perlDreamer	soon, it comes soon	20:26
+perlDreamer	did you ever look into Test::Routine?	20:26
+perlDreamer	I know it's Moose based (slow), but we're loading Moose anyway	20:26
+perlDreamer	and the fact that it runs tests in declared order is awesome	20:26
+perlDreamer	instead of alphabetical by sub/test name	20:27
@preaction	didn't see Test::Routine, but saw Test::Sweet	20:30
scrottie0	what? when someone gives you root on a machine usually it's pretty much expected that you're going to run an Unreal Tournament server on it.	20:36
@preaction	when was that prepare method added for WebGUI::Form::Control?	20:37
+perlDreamer	it doesn't have a prepare method	20:37
+perlDreamer	there's prepareWrapper	20:37
+perlDreamer	and headTags	20:37
scrottie0	preaction, do you want to debrief pbcj on this policy that even I am not aware of?	20:37
@preaction	there's a policy?	20:38
scrottie0	since he's root on BartJol's machine now too	20:38
+perlDreamer	Policy creation policy	20:38
scrottie0	it involves Gemma somehow.	20:38
@preaction	derp?	20:38
scrottie0	https://gist.github.com/917993	20:39
@preaction	good to know i can still inspire people to greatness	20:41
+perlDreamer	I need to buy one of these for my wife: http://www.thinkgeek.com/e72e/	20:42
scrottie0	I'm guessing BartJol got woken in the night by a page when I created an account for pbcj after Vrby told us to investigate a high priority bug. Andy was aware we were setting up Chris and we had been fulling requests through him but I don't remember if this one wasn't requested or just didn't get done. that's the boring version of it. short version is someone has to tell pbcj that even though he's root, he can't run Unreal Tournament server.	20:43
@preaction	ahh	20:43
scrottie0	perlDreamer, schweet!	20:44
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r9489283 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Button.pm : add YUI button to WebGUI button - http://bit.ly/dHvMm5	20:48
@pbcj	I'm pretty sure I removed any trace of unreal from all the logs	21:03
ckotil	http://i.imgur.com/y7Hm9.jpg	21:13
@preaction	FormBuilder cannot be built using HTML::Template, because it's recursive	21:13
ckotil	sfw	21:13
+perlDreamer	crap, preaction. Does that mean we have to switch to Template::Toolkit?	21:14
@preaction	just for this asset edit template	21:14
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@pbcj	ckotil, NIICE	21:14
@preaction	and if people want to demonstrate the power of this fully armed and operational formbuilder	21:14
@preaction	because i have to use macros in order to do this...	21:15
+perlDreamer	one of these days I'm going to find a reason to force us to go to TT sooner rather than later	21:19
@preaction	i could see these macros being generally useful. anyone have any clue how i would go about having includes for webgui TT templates?	21:23
@preaction	frodwith, didn't you do something like this a while back?	21:23
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@pbcj	shhh, he's here	21:23
@preaction	so as i was saying..	21:24
@preaction	oh! uh...	21:24
@frodwith	yes, I did preaction	21:24
@frodwith	you need to have a webgui session somehow though	21:24
@preaction	iirc your objection was that it did nasty things to find that session, but a custom Template::Stash module might be able to get around that	21:25
@frodwith	correct	21:25
@preaction	it might be done sooner rather than later, is there a github repo or something i can look at?	21:25
@frodwith	"nasty things" was walk the call stack looking for a session	21:25
@frodwith	umm there might be, let me check	21:25
@preaction	thanks	21:25
@frodwith	https://github.com/frodwith/template-plugin-webgui-asset	21:26
@preaction	danke	21:26
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CCAC	... so i've installed webgui on a fresh ubuntu 1010 ... how do i get to it?	22:04
@preaction	CCAC: look up the docs in /usr/share/docs/webgui/README.debian iirc	22:05
@preaction	or maybe /usr/share/webgui/docs	22:05
scrottie0	CCAC, I'm told that the Debian package is pretty far out of date.	22:05
@preaction	hmm... i just had that...	22:05
@preaction	it's not that out of date, sid is 7.9.25	22:06
@preaction	CCAC: /usr/share/doc/webgui/README.Debian.gz	22:06
scrottie0	hrm, the old cjac is a Debian package maintainer. we should hire him to abuse his position of trust and authority to update that baby.	22:06
scrottie0	also, WebGUI needs an auto-update mechanism.	22:07
@pbcj	anyone in the office today?	22:07
@preaction	i've got a friend who's an old maintainer, if we ever take control over the package ourselves	22:07
@preaction	pbcj: JT and I are	22:07
@pbcj	excellent, I need to stop by. see you in a bit	22:07
scrottie0	afk a bit here.	22:08
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+perlDreamer	time to go get the kiddos from school	23:34
CIA-70	webgui: Paul Driver master * rdf2e1a5 / (3 files in 3 dirs): rfe #12105: Make shortcuts related for export purposes - http://bit.ly/eA8M3c	23:58
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+perlDreamer	frodwith, why are shortcuts to an asset exported by default?	00:00
@frodwith	they're not	00:01
@frodwith	only if you tick the "export related assets" checkbox	00:01
+perlDreamer	sorry, wrong question	00:01
+perlDreamer	why are shortcuts considered related assets?	00:01
@frodwith	the concept of related assets is, when this asset changes, the output of that asset changes	00:02
@frodwith	so if I'm exporting this one, I may want to export that one as well.	00:02
@frodwith	shortcuts fall squarely in there, don't you think?	00:02
+perlDreamer	Well, not originally	00:03
+perlDreamer	I think of an asset as a way to duplicate content on a site	00:03
+perlDreamer	if I export one branch of a site	00:03
+perlDreamer	and there's a shortcut to it another branch	00:03
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+perlDreamer	I may want some related assets, but not that shortcut	00:03
+perlDreamer	but I think it's just a different mindset	00:03
@frodwith	well, the api (as it was recently added) is kind of a shotgun approach	00:04
@frodwith	all related assets or nothing	00:04
@frodwith	it might be nice to make it more granular	00:04
+perlDreamer	that can always be added later	00:04
+perlDreamer	one other thing I was curious about	00:04
+perlDreamer	If I have two stories, and each one says that it's related to the other	00:05
+perlDreamer	does it cause a loop?	00:05
+perlDreamer	or is the exporter smart enough to check for assets that have already been exported?	00:05
@frodwith	actually I think it is that smart	00:05
@frodwith	it does an ordered set	00:05
@frodwith	but, as an aside, stories aren't related to each other, they're related to topics (in this sense)	00:06
@frodwith	i.e. if I would appear in topic X, I'll return it as a related asset	00:06
+perlDreamer	I see. So, if it were a problem (and isn't) it would be more likely to show up in Product assets, with Related Products or Accessories.	00:08
+perlDreamer	in that case there's no middleman/container involved	00:08
@frodwith	I don't know how related products and accessories work	00:08
@frodwith	but I'll take your word for it :)	00:08
+perlDreamer	In a Product, they're just lists of other assets	00:09
+perlDreamer	and the Product doesn't use the exportGetRelatedAssetIds yet in any case	00:09
@frodwith	does changing a Product change how its related Products behave/look?	00:10
+perlDreamer	no, but exporting the Product view would product links to those other Assets	00:10
+perlDreamer	so it'd be nice if they exist	00:10
@frodwith	ah, I see what you mean	00:11
@frodwith	but yeah, I think the exporter already accounts for that case. I haven't tested it though.	00:11
+perlDreamer	You're right	00:12
+perlDreamer	as each asset returns assetIds	00:12
+perlDreamer	well...	00:13
@frodwith	yeah, just looked. It won't add an assetId to the set if it's already in there.	00:13
+perlDreamer	what happens when Asset->new returns undef?	00:16
@frodwith	as written, it'd die	00:17
@frodwith	which seems like reasonable behavior to me	00:18
+perlDreamer	since it runs in Fork, will Fork tell the user that they have a broken asset in the tree that needs fixing?	00:21
@frodwith	they'll get an alert box in the ui to the effect of "cannot call getRelatedAssetIds on an undefined value"	00:22
+perlDreamer	that's good enough	00:22
+perlDreamer	it's better than flipping them back to the home page with no mention of a problem	00:22
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@preaction	BAM! Asset edit form is now a template toolkit template	00:54
@preaction	oh! forgot to add that config update to include the right parser	00:55
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rad3231a / (5 files in 4 dirs): change asset www_add and www_edit into templates - http://bit.ly/gKWJAP	00:55
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4a43f9f / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Template/TemplateToolkit.pm : allow non-hash values in arrays, valid in TT templates - http://bit.ly/i2dSi7	00:55
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r49da157 / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder/Role/HasObjects.pm : add flags to determine what formbuilder object type - http://bit.ly/hJQNZd	00:55
@pbcj	hey preaction, did you happen to catch that part about "where'd the import template link go"?	00:56
@preaction	derp?	00:57
@preaction	you mean import packages?	00:57
@pbcj	yes	00:58
@pbcj	from the ui	00:58
@preaction	working on it, for now use wgd	00:58
@preaction	i suppose that could be an asset helper, no?	00:58
@pbcj	i do, just remembered that I don't remember if I told you	00:58
@preaction	yep, though i have a habit of not remembering things, so don't worry about reminding me	00:58
+perlDreamer	You weren't supposed to remember that.	01:04
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rc3a2714 / (2 files in 2 dirs): add template toolkit to the default template parsers - http://bit.ly/fM5P5S	01:10
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@preaction	:q	01:11
+perlDreamer	new wre is missing wre/var/run dir	01:11
+perlDreamer	or something didn't happen correctly on wre init	01:12
@preaction	whoops	01:31
scrottie0	whoopin's for everyone!	01:51
@preaction	yay!	01:51
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rd466e75 / (5 files in 4 dirs): make Admin interface into a settings template - http://bit.ly/gDA7Mx	01:52
@preaction	humph. now i gotta fix the whole adminOn / adminOff thing	01:54
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * reec3986 / t/FormBuilder.t : fix formbuilder tests for new flags - http://bit.ly/hxpTls	01:54
+perlDreamer	Tests!	02:08
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Seppel	Hi, somebody awake?	08:42
@preaction	somewhat	08:43
Seppel	xD	08:43
Seppel	I found the tutorial on the wiki, about installing webgui parallel to a "normal" apache. What I dont get is, how I change the standard port for webgui, because I want apache as my primary webserver.	08:44
@preaction	so you're installing WebGUI from the WRE then?	08:45
@preaction	webgui runs in apache	08:45
Seppel	yes ... i used the ubuntu packet	08:45
Seppel	yeah but i tought it installs an own apache instance ... ?	08:45
@preaction	er... then you should be all set	08:45
@preaction	no	08:45
@preaction	not the ubuntu package	08:45
@preaction	the wiki is geared towards WRE users, which is a separate package with all the prereqs for webgui	08:46
Seppel	ohkay .. so all i have to do is create a vhost to the webgui root?	08:46
@preaction	as long as you have the PerlRequire and PerlResponseHandler directives correct, you should have a webgui host	08:46
Seppel	^^	08:47
@preaction	i've never read the docs that the ubuntu package provides, isn't there a wg-addsite script or something?	08:47
Seppel	hm ...	08:47
@preaction	or a man webgui perhaps?	08:47
Seppel	there ARE some wg- scripts	08:47
Seppel	but no man	08:48
Seppel	hm ... okay ... i see ...	08:50
@preaction	the readme then? does it explain how to add webgui sites?	08:50
Seppel	yeah ... i'll try that ... looks like there is no standard vhost created	08:51
Seppel	so ... if i get it right, the unbuntu package ist basically a source install?	09:11
@preaction	pretty much, yeah	09:20
Seppel	i cant find the /data directory ... do i have to untar it myself ... i.e. to the docroot?	09:33
@preaction	what are you doing?	09:37
Seppel	i'm trying to get webgui to work ... ^^	09:52
Seppel	parallel to my existing apache install	09:52
Seppel	so i guess i have to create a vhost with the apropriate perl caller	09:53
@preaction	you don't need a /data directory, you've got the ubuntu package	09:56
@preaction	you need to read the docs provided with the ubuntu package, in /usr/share/doc/webgui	09:56
Seppel	thats what im doing right now ... :/	10:00
Seppel	guess i'm missing something	10:01
@preaction	perhaps there's something in /usr/share/examples? or /usr/share/webgui/examples?	10:02
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SDuensin	Morning.	17:43
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eleger81	Good morning all, just a quick question as I couldn't find an answer through the forums. If one were to use the My Style template and mystyle.css files and make their edits/tweaks there, are those files overridden when upgrading WebGUI?	18:09
+perlDreamer	no	18:10
eleger81	I didn't think so, but wanted to make certain before upgrading. Thanks for the quick response!	18:10
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ckotil	short n sweet	18:31
@khenn	hey preaction, have you seen the newest version of extjs?	19:00
@khenn	it's pretty slick	19:00
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@khenn	it's got charts and graphs built in now which do not use flash so they can be displayed on iphones / ipads	19:04
@khenn	api is becoming swing like too	19:05
@khenn	making it pretty easy to build complex user interfaces	19:05
@khenn	it's using SCSS as well to take some of the pain out of styling	19:06
+perlDreamer	I'm off to the gym, bbiaw	19:14
+BartJol	adieu	19:15
@pbcj	au revior	19:15
scrottie0	you say hello, I say goodbye... goodbye goodbye...	19:22
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@preaction	khenn: i had not, but are they still licensed crappily that precludes the possibility of us using it?	20:05
@khenn	probably	20:06
@preaction	i do want to integrate SASS or LESS into our snippet, and looks like SASS has a perl module, but LESS only has an Apache2::Filter	20:07
@khenn	I'm not sure what license they use. They have some guy at BoA from the company helping on a project	20:09
@khenn	so I'll ask him	20:09
@khenn	not really prevelant on their site	20:09
@preaction	yeah, i think i remember seeing/hearing they went back to their old license scheme, but the one they changed to originally meant we couldn't use it for anything	20:10
@khenn	it woudl be a shame b/c I could see this being used for WG's admin interface someday	20:12
@khenn	I know that scrottie and cj used it back in Nov	20:12
@preaction	i've actually been hoping we could move to YUI 3 and use AlloyUI	20:12
@khenn	not seen AlloyUI	20:14
@preaction	it's pretty nice	20:14
@khenn	but the nice thing about Extjs is that it has all the glue	20:14
@preaction	sproutcore looks nice	20:14
@khenn	ie: you don't have to write any html	20:14
@khenn	you just piecemeal components together	20:14
@khenn	and it provides the glue in the form of layout managers	20:15
@khenn	similar to swing	20:15
@khenn	in java	20:15
scrottie0	the one example of extjs in use I've seen has a lot of boilerplate... about 800 lines of goop... to configure it and make it go.	20:15
scrottie0	yeah, that would be similar to swing, I suppose.	20:15
@khenn	yeah this is extjs 4	20:15
@khenn	though I think the glue existed in 3 as well	20:15
@preaction	html is a good language to build the interface for a UI in, much like QT's new markup, or flex's MXML	20:16
@preaction	and most UI toolkits i've seen don't require it, it can make the elements out of whole cloth if you need them to	20:16
@khenn	I'm glad things are moving in that direction	20:17
ckotil	http://alloy.liferay.com/demos.php?demo=editable awesome	20:17
@khenn	heh	20:17
@khenn	I've been trying to get that into WebGUI forever	20:17
@preaction	our main problem is simply that we have no unified frontend anything	20:17
@khenn	right	20:18
@khenn	hopefully you are changing that in WG8 =)	20:18
@preaction	which again reminds me that i need to write down the guidelines i've been following so that everybody else can follow them	20:18
@pbcj	some ppl are using jQuery for styling, also	20:18
@pbcj	without correction, we'd soon be using extjs, yui, and jquery	20:19
@preaction	jquery doesn't have UI elements in the core	20:19
@khenn	yeah I'm not a fan of jquery	20:19
@preaction	also, don't forget underscore and backbone	20:19
@pbcj	true, but it still seems silly to have 3 js frameworks loaded	20:19
@khenn	though extjs has some sort of handler in it that allows you to plug in jquery / yui modules	20:19
@preaction	in the core, yes kinda, i've had this argument out with paul a couple times now	20:19
@khenn	I thought he was big on YUI3 now	20:21
@pbcj	YUI--	20:21
@preaction	it wasn't a religious discussion, it was more about "including Js frameworks in core code"	20:21
@pbcj	maybe that should be just as configurable as the template processors	20:22
@preaction	i suppose i did just make the 8 admin interface into a template, which means it does not strictly rely on YUI	20:22
@preaction	along with the Edit Asset screen, now a template	20:23
@preaction	and I also suppose that making these templates will allow us to more easily change what JS library we "standardize" on	20:23
@preaction	so hey, i stumbled into a good idea!	20:23
@khenn	hey!	20:24
@khenn	=)	20:24
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xdanger	I really like jquery for small layout stuff	21:51
xdanger	but jeah, I wish extjs could be used	21:53
xdanger	so, jquery + extjs gets my vote... If that counts for anything ;)	21:54
xdanger	I think extjs is straight gpl3 now	21:54
@pbcj	indeed it is	22:00
@pbcj	I think they should be pluggable, so it doesn't matter what the preference is	22:01
@preaction	yes, hence all the templates	22:04
@pbcj	=)	22:05
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguians	22:06
zylopfa	Can anyone help me with git? I just foreked a repo of webgui and made changes to my local copy	22:10
zylopfa	now i want to push the changes back so it can be added to webgui	22:10
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, you push it back to your git repository	22:13
+perlDreamer	then you send Doug and I a pull request	22:13
zylopfa	git push origin master	22:13
zylopfa	You can't push to git://github.com/zylopfa/webgui.git	22:14
zylopfa	Use git@github.com:zylopfa/webgui.git	22:14
zylopfa	It says :(	22:14
zylopfa	I forked from 7.10.13	22:14
+perlDreamer	that's good	22:14
+perlDreamer	it sounds like the remote is not setup correctly	22:14
@pbcj	that message is because you pulled from the r/o master	22:14
zylopfa	ohh	22:14
@pbcj	git push git@github.com:zylopfa/webgui.git	22:15
+perlDreamer	and then redo your remote so that it's the r/w interface to your repo	22:15
zylopfa	permission denied (publickey)	22:15
@pbcj	that's your repo	22:15
@pbcj	set up your public key?	22:15
zylopfa	Oi i havent :(	22:15
+perlDreamer	http://help.github.com/git-email-settings	22:16
zylopfa	now i did make my public key	22:22
zylopfa	and i did: git push git@github.com:zylopfa/webgui.git	22:22
zylopfa	but then it says everything up-to-data	22:22
zylopfa	date even	22:22
zylopfa	does it mean it havent changed anything?	22:22
@pbcj	did you git commit?	22:23
zylopfa	no	22:23
@pbcj	git status	22:24
@pbcj	if you're happy there, git commit -a	22:24
@pbcj	then git push	22:24
zylopfa	you guys are legends	22:24
@pbcj	perlDreamer is a legend	22:24
+perlDreamer	even legends need lunch	22:24
@pbcj	I'm just here to class up the place	22:25
+perlDreamer	back in 30 or so	22:25
zylopfa	guys now it says	22:25
zylopfa	no changes added to commit (use "git add" and/or "git commit -a")	22:25
zylopfa	But i can see it has modified things	22:26
zylopfa	that i wanted to change	22:26
zylopfa	so i just commit i bet	22:26
zylopfa	Any special message on commit?	22:26
@preaction	you have to add the things to the commit. changing doesn't add anything	22:26
zylopfa	yeah	22:27
@pbcj	-a means all of it looks good	22:27
@pbcj	generally git will tell you what it wants you to do	22:28
zylopfa	it tells me to enter a commit message	22:28
zylopfa	but any particular i need to write	22:28
@pbcj	one line about what you did	22:28
zylopfa	3 files changed, 176 insertions(+), 18 deletions(-)	22:31
zylopfa	Now what :O	22:31
zylopfa	Do you think it worked?	22:32
@preaction	that was the commit, now you need to push	22:33
zylopfa	sick good	22:33
zylopfa	It just did that now!	22:33
zylopfa	it pushed to: git@github.com:zylopfa/webgui.git	22:34
@preaction	now you make a pull request	22:35
zylopfa	Again?	22:35
zylopfa	git pull git@github.com:zylopfa/webgui.git ?	22:35
@preaction	no, a pull request is a message to us on github.com that says "i want you to pull from my fork"	22:35
@pbcj	oh, it's unique thingy fields... =)	22:36
zylopfa	yeah	22:36
zylopfa	and a present for perlDreamer	22:36
zylopfa	preaction, how do i make the pull request?	22:36
zylopfa	is it with git or?	22:36
@preaction	it's on github.com	22:37
zylopfa	ahh	22:37
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zylopfa	this system is sick good	22:39
zylopfa	ok preaction i made the pull request	22:40
zylopfa	How do you guys do then?	22:40
@preaction	well, eventually we either comment on the request, or we merge it	22:41
zylopfa	ok	22:41
zylopfa	do you think i will get points even if i didnt look for any RFE of bugids	22:41
zylopfa	I also changed the changelog file and the upgrade script	22:42
zylopfa	that git business seems realy smart, i hope its easy for you guys also to add all the new code	22:43
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf5ebb6e / (3 files in 3 dirs):	23:10
CIA-70	webgui: change admin console to get asset info via ajax call after frame is loaded	23:10
CIA-70	webgui: this is step one in making the asset control toolbars work	23:10
CIA-70	webgui: correctly without having an "Admin Mode" - http://bit.ly/e6xVwc	23:10
@preaction	does anyone know what WebGUI::Asset::getToolbarState is used for? the var there doesn't seem to be checked in getToolbar	23:11
zylopfa	no idea preaction	23:12
griuzly_	hi, how to install webgui with apt-get?	23:15
zylopfa	greetings Sir or Maaam, not sure that packages has been made for that	23:16
zylopfa	Best way to install it is by following the directions at webgui.org	23:16
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@preaction	griuzly_: what version of ubuntu/debian? you should just have to apt-get install webgui	23:17
scrottie0	preaction, I'm going to commit my Plack changes from a long time ago to WebGUI8 if you don't have any objection. last I saw (perhaps this is changed and you've already done the same thing), the error handler and other layers were broken because of a lazy return that patspam didn't know why he did and doesn't seem to be necessary.	23:19
griuzly_	ubuntu 10.04 386, I tried apt-get install webgui with no errors, then /usr/share/webgui/sbin$ sudo perl preload.perl with no errors but now?	23:20
@preaction	scrottie0: go for it, if it merges clean then it's probably right	23:20
@preaction	griuzly_: preload.perl is run by apache. there should be some docs in /usr/share/doc/webgui that can help	23:20
@preaction	griuzly_: this is just me saying your name, not private messaging you	23:31
+perlDreamer	preaction: check Shortcut for getToolbarState, it's subclassed somewhere in the asset tree	23:34
@preaction	it was in a few macros and a couple assets	23:34
@preaction	but most usages are now invalidated	23:34
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theBrettman645	hi guys	23:53
theBrettman645	I wanna install webgui	23:53
theBrettman645	on fedora	23:53
theBrettman645	which one do I download?	23:53
theBrettman645	wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz ?	23:54
zylopfa	which one do you have theBrettman645 ?	23:55
zylopfa	I use fedora core 13 myself	23:55
theBrettman645	14	23:56
zylopfa	and downloaded the wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz	23:56
zylopfa	Are you running 32 or 64 bit?	23:56
theBrettman645	32	23:56
mshepherd	yeah, that's what you'd want	23:56
zylopfa	ahh good	23:56
theBrettman645	and I got 2GB of ram	23:56
theBrettman645	is there any other packages I need?	23:56
zylopfa	yeah thats good enough	23:56
mshepherd	the wre version is self contained	23:57
zylopfa	wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz is the thing you should go for	23:57
theBrettman645	I think I forgot everything about linux, it's been so long	23:57
theBrettman645	had a hell of a time getting this far	23:57
theBrettman645	don't u type ~/ for home?	23:57
theBrettman645	cuz it's goin to root	23:57
zylopfa	cd ~	23:57
mshepherd	i think you may need ghostscript (gs) and libfreetype for imagemagick to work. and some various perl modules	23:58
zylopfa	yeah ~/	23:58
mshepherd	there's a testenvironment script that will help you figure that stuff out	23:58
theBrettman645	if I wanna move a file from downloads to another folder, is there a fast way to do that in the terminal?	23:58
mshepherd	yes, the mv command	23:58
mshepherd	if you're not sure how to move files via terminal, this may be a little more advanced that you want to go...	23:58
theBrettman645	I know that much but I tried mv ~/Downloads/[filenam] /usr/[dir] and it didn't work	23:59
mshepherd	did you receive an error?	23:59
theBrettman645	idr	23:59
zylopfa	did the directory exist?	23:59
theBrettman645	it seems to think ~/ is root	23:59
@pbcj	are you root?	23:59
zylopfa	else it copies to a file	23:59
--- Day changed Fri Apr 15 2011
theBrettman645	if I cd ~/ it takes me to /	00:00
mshepherd	type whoami	00:00
theBrettman645	I'm su	00:00
mshepherd	ok	00:00
mshepherd	so you're root	00:00
theBrettman645	yep	00:00
theBrettman645	but I have to be root to move it where I want	00:00
theBrettman645	ohhhh	00:00
theBrettman645	I get it	00:00
theBrettman645	duh	00:00
theBrettman645	no wonder, lol	00:01
mshepherd	you've probably got quite a bit of catching up to do before you're ready to attempt installing wre	00:01
theBrettman645	that user folder doesn't exist in root users stuff, lol	00:01
theBrettman645	well, I need to install it cuz I need to use it so...	00:01
theBrettman645	shouldn't be that hard	00:02
mshepherd	good luck =)	00:02
zylopfa	there are good instructions for it on webgui.org also	00:02
theBrettman645	nice that u guyrs r here if I get stuck	00:02
zylopfa	how to unpack it and install and such	00:02
theBrettman645	yes, I'm on that page	00:02
zylopfa	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation	00:03
zylopfa	ahh good	00:03
theBrettman645	how I go back to regular user instead of su?	00:07
mshepherd	type exit	00:07
@preaction	exit	00:07
theBrettman645	ah	00:07
@pbcj	I heard a rumor that there was a wgd console mode	00:09
@pbcj	Haarg: ^^ is that true?	00:10
@pbcj	I would love wgd as a shell with autocomplete	00:10
@preaction	you could make an autocomplete thing for wgd in bash	00:10
theBrettman645	ok so I cd /data and tar xvfz ~/Downloads/wre-0.9.3-rhel-5-ia32.tar.gz and I get no such file or directory?	00:10
zylopfa	what user are you logged in as	00:11
Haarg	well, daviddelikat hacked something up, but it was pretty ugly	00:11
theBrettman645	theBrettman	00:11
zylopfa	and have you made the /data directory?	00:11
theBrettman645	yes	00:11
theBrettman645	and I'm in it	00:11
@preaction	pbcj: https://gist.github.com/920561 <- here's an autocomplete i have for ssh hostnames, shouldn't be difficult to port to wgd commands	00:11
zylopfa	typw pwd	00:11
zylopfa	type pwd	00:11
zylopfa	and tell me what it says	00:11
Haarg	i also set it up so wgd could be used easily in re.pl	00:11
mshepherd	you are not root	00:11
@pbcj	theBrettman645: ~ may mean /root, ~ may mean /home/yourUserName	00:11
zylopfa	yeah maybe not that as well	00:12
@pbcj	it means "the current users home dir"	00:12
theBrettman645	ugh, I thought I wasn't supposed to be root, lol	00:12
theBrettman645	so I need to be root but use the username folder?	00:12
mshepherd	well, does your current user have write access to the directory you're trying to extract to?	00:12
zylopfa	yeah for all the install stuff you need to be root	00:12
zylopfa	it says in the manual all you need to do	00:12
theBrettman645	ok	00:12
zylopfa	also make the user webgui but it says in the manual page	00:12
zylopfa	http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/wre-installation	00:12
mshepherd	also, it's best to realize that you can avoid using ~ and running into problems by fully qualifying your path	00:15
mshepherd	i.e. /home/your_username/Downloads	00:16
theBrettman645	man I missed the speed of linux!	00:16
theBrettman645	ok, here's the part I need help with	00:18
theBrettman645	dns entries	00:18
theBrettman645	I wanna run this locally	00:18
theBrettman645	for development	00:18
zylopfa	yeah thats fine then	00:18
theBrettman645	so what do I put in hosts?	00:18
zylopfa	you are on the machine you have webgui on?	00:18
theBrettman645	yes	00:18
zylopfa	or on another machine?	00:18
theBrettman645	on that machine	00:18
zylopfa	ok	00:18
theBrettman645	it's gonna be my development server	00:18
zylopfa	but you program on the machine?	00:19
zylopfa	i mean you dont have another machine that you will use?	00:19
zylopfa	If you work on the machine with webgui on, you can use localhost.localdomain	00:19
theBrettman645	not for now	00:19
zylopfa	when the install ask for sitename	00:19
zylopfa	else you can change your hosts file	00:20
zylopfa	like this, as root	00:20
theBrettman645	which is easier? lol	00:20
zylopfa	nano /etc/hosts	00:20
@pbcj	just name the site the same as the machine name and you'll be okay	00:21
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theBrettman645	cool	00:21
theBrettman645	that was easy	00:21
zylopfa	you can get the machine name by :	00:21
zylopfa	hostname	00:21
zylopfa	run that command	00:21
theBrettman645	localhost.linuxbox hee hee	00:22
zylopfa	yeah that is fine	00:22
@preaction	i'd say use localhost for all things, it'll be mostly fine	00:22
theBrettman645	so wait, if I wanna make multiple sites???	00:22
@preaction	then you'd need another host in /etc/hosts	00:22
zylopfa	then you have to put hosts there yeah	00:22
zylopfa	like	00:22
zylopfa	10.0.0.5 www.thebrettman.com	00:23
zylopfa	or whatever your local ip address is	00:23
theBrettman645	but if they're local sites?	00:23
zylopfa	its fine	00:23
zylopfa	it look in the hostfile first	00:23
zylopfa	so:	00:23
zylopfa	nano /etc/hosts	00:24
zylopfa	to edit the host file	00:24
theBrettman645	or vi? lol	00:24
@pbcj	ha!	00:24
zylopfa	yeah vi also	00:24
@pbcj	scrottie will have no part of this nano nonsense	00:24
theBrettman645	lol	00:24
zylopfa	haa <3	00:24
theBrettman645	so what do I add for local sites?	00:25
zylopfa	whats the local ip address of your server?	00:25
@preaction	just use 127.0.0.1	00:25
zylopfa	the one you wanna have webgui on	00:25
theBrettman645	right, but what else?	00:25
theBrettman645	then it's subdir?	00:26
@preaction	the name you want	00:26
zylopfa	no subdirs	00:26
zylopfa	put this in the host file	00:26
zylopfa	127.0.0.1 www.yourdomainname.com	00:26
theBrettman645	so 127.0.0.1 customart	00:26
theBrettman645	I'm not using a domain name	00:26
zylopfa	doesnt matter	00:26
zylopfa	its just for the sake of making other than 1 site	00:27
theBrettman645	and so how do I view the site?	00:27
zylopfa	is your browser on the machine where webgui is installed also?	00:27
theBrettman645	nvm, I'll prolly learn all that soon enough	00:27
theBrettman645	yes	00:27
zylopfa	good	00:27
zylopfa	then its	00:27
zylopfa	www.yourdomainname.com	00:27
zylopfa	or whatever you choose to put there	00:28
theBrettman645	it will go there instead of the web address?	00:28
theBrettman645	guess that makes sense	00:28
zylopfa	yeah	00:28
theBrettman645	I didn't know browsers looked there first but I guess that's part of http protocol?	00:28
zylopfa	skip the dns thing in the manual and continue it	00:28
zylopfa	no its not part of http	00:28
theBrettman645	gotcha	00:28
@preaction	that's part of the name lookup service of your OS	00:28
zylopfa	its part of the tcpip stack	00:28
theBrettman645	k	00:28
@preaction	no, tcp has nothing to do with names	00:29
zylopfa	on linux and windows also borrowed some from unix	00:29
@preaction	tcp/ip is only ip addresses. name resolution is different	00:29
zylopfa	no but the deal with using a hosts file	00:29
@pbcj	oh my	00:29
@preaction	is part of the name lookup service of your OS	00:29
zylopfa	still its part of the stack, the drivers the works	00:29
zylopfa	I know dns is a lookup mechanism	00:29
@preaction	but you're saying that names are part of tcp/ip, you could as easily say http is part of tcp/ip	00:30
zylopfa	lets not get into technical discussions its not important for his needs now	00:30
zylopfa	but yeah you are right	00:30
@preaction	it's not, no, but don't confuse him with wrong information :p makes it harder to understand the underlying theories	00:31
zylopfa	fair enough	00:31
theBrettman645	I got Please contact me at: http://localhost.linuxbox:60834/ after I put ./wreconsole.pl	00:31
@preaction	i mean, i could also say that /etc/hosts is only checked because /etc/resolv.conf says to check hosts before bind	00:31
zylopfa	yeah theBrettman645 the go into your browser and put that in the addr. field	00:31
@pbcj	and no one has mentioned the vhost	00:31
@pbcj	serveralias	00:31
@pbcj	etc	00:31
zylopfa	yeah but its beyond the point	00:32
@pbcj	=) theBrettman645: yay!	00:32
zylopfa	hes trying to install webgui not trying to grasp the whole workings	00:32
theBrettman645	unable to connect :(	00:32
@preaction	theBrettman645: first guess would be firewall	00:32
zylopfa	have you disabled your firewall?	00:32
@preaction	or make sure it's just http://localhost:60834	00:32
theBrettman645	no	00:32
@pbcj	so browse to http://linuxbox:60834/setup	00:32
theBrettman645	can't I make an exception?	00:33
@preaction	yes	00:33
theBrettman645	I didn't know it came with one, lol	00:33
zylopfa	/etc/rc3.d/S08iptables stop	00:33
@preaction	all linuxes come with firewalls, it's part of the linux kernel	00:33
zylopfa	for the sake of this test	00:33
zylopfa	else you can change the rules	00:33
@preaction	might want to make it: sudo service iptables stop <- redhat's service utility	00:33
theBrettman645	I'm in the firewall	00:34
theBrettman645	go under custom rules?	00:34
zylopfa	yeah	00:34
theBrettman645	ok and?	00:34
theBrettman645	it wants a file	00:34
mshepherd	well	00:35
mshepherd	wait	00:35
mshepherd	cause before you monkey with firewall	00:35
zylopfa	wait go to Other Ports	00:35
mshepherd	makesure the console is still up	00:35
theBrettman645	yeah	00:35
zylopfa	in the setup utility go to Other ports instead	00:35
mshepherd	netstat -n\|grep 60834	00:35
mshepherd	and make sure you're going to the proper address	00:36
theBrettman645	nothing	00:37
zylopfa	theBrettman645, in that firewall utilit	00:38
mshepherd	so the console is no longer running	00:38
@pbcj	netstat -an\|grep 60834	00:38
zylopfa	go to OtherPorts	00:38
zylopfa	and add	00:38
zylopfa	and then put 60834	00:38
zylopfa	and apply	00:38
zylopfa	and reload	00:38
zylopfa	then you setup the rule	00:38
zylopfa	and then try again from the browser	00:38
mshepherd	firewall isn't the issue if the console isn't running...	00:38
zylopfa	he said it was	00:38
mshepherd	but received nothing from netstat	00:39
theBrettman645	I didn't know what he meant by console, lol	00:39
zylopfa	<theBrettman645> I got Please contact me at: http://localhost.linuxbox:60834/ after I put ./wreconsole.pl	00:39
mshepherd	yeah, it _was_ running	00:39
theBrettman645	lol	00:39
@preaction	you need to leave that thing run as you go to the browser, don't exit out of it	00:39
theBrettman645	I didn't exit my terminal	00:39
@pbcj	wreconsole is not a daemon	00:40
theBrettman645	ok so I ./wreconsole.pl again	00:40
zylopfa	yeah and leave it be	00:40
@pbcj	ya	00:40
theBrettman645	ohhhh, I see what happened	00:41
theBrettman645	lol	00:41
zylopfa	and after go into a browswe	00:41
zylopfa	and put the address in which it said	00:41
theBrettman645	host says localhost do I change to localhost.linuxbox?	00:41
@preaction	no, localhost will be fine	00:42
@preaction	localhost is always "this computer"	00:42
zylopfa	http://localhost.linuxbox:60834/	00:42
zylopfa	just put what the program told you	00:42
theBrettman645	this is for MySQL	00:42
zylopfa	what did it tell you?	00:42
zylopfa	its propably part of the setup	00:42
theBrettman645	yes	00:43
theBrettman645	like the 3rd screen	00:43
theBrettman645	cuz it's working, lol	00:43
zylopfa	yeah good work	00:43
theBrettman645	just go with default settings all the way thru?	00:43
zylopfa	yeah that should work	00:43
@pbcj	can we put an easter egg in wg8? RFE: 1 in 10,000 installs yields a rickroll instead of setup page	00:43
zylopfa	haa good idea <3	00:44
theBrettman645	awesome	00:44
theBrettman645	rickroll + easter egg = rotten egg?	00:45
zylopfa	yeah you could say that	00:45
theBrettman645	what's a cron tab? lol	00:45
theBrettman645	is that inside webgui?	00:45
zylopfa	its programs that run at certain times	00:45
@pbcj	its a flavor of cola	00:45
zylopfa	you can setup linux to run things when you want them to	00:46
theBrettman645	oh, so it's on linux?	00:46
zylopfa	yeah	00:46
theBrettman645	where do I find it?	00:46
@preaction	as root: crontab -e	00:46
theBrettman645	in a new terminal right?	00:47
@preaction	yes	00:47
zylopfa	yeah	00:47
@preaction	or Ctrl+Z to stop the wreconsole, and then later, "fg" to start it running again	00:47
theBrettman645	oh wow, I got a sites tab?	00:48
@preaction	see also "bash job control"	00:48
theBrettman645	I guess I don't have to worry about hosts then since there's a sites tab?	00:48
@preaction	the sites tab is just for webgui sites. you still have to handle name resolution	00:48
theBrettman645	it's for development only	00:48
theBrettman645	for now	00:49
theBrettman645	I can set up testing and remote servers tho?	00:49
@preaction	sites lets you add the site with a given name, but where that name goes is up to the hosts file	00:49
theBrettman645	I went crontab -e but don't know how to edit it or paste for that matter	00:51
theBrettman645	looks empty	00:51
zylopfa	yeah	00:52
@preaction	hit "i" and then paste	00:52
zylopfa	you can put the lines in the install manual in there	00:52
@preaction	then "esc" then :wq	00:52
zylopfa	yeah likr preaction said	00:52
theBrettman645	what if I ended up on the last line? how do I get back to the top?	00:52
@preaction	most likely crontab -e opens up "vim", which is a modal editor	00:52
@preaction	arrow keys?	00:52
theBrettman645	not working	00:53
theBrettman645	how do u backspace?	00:54
zylopfa	you copied the lines from the manual?	00:54
theBrettman645	from the webpage after install	00:54
zylopfa	yeah	00:54
zylopfa	then	00:54
theBrettman645	I know u hit a letter, not sure which ones	00:54
zylopfa	crontab -e	00:54
theBrettman645	is id d?	00:54
zylopfa	and then press <insert> key or i	00:54
zylopfa	and then shift+insert	00:55
zylopfa	to paste it	00:55
theBrettman645	I hit i but then hiit ctrl + v	00:55
theBrettman645	like a dummy, lol	00:55
zylopfa	yeah thats fine i think also	00:55
theBrettman645	instead of using paste from context menu	00:55
theBrettman645	no, it don't work	00:55
theBrettman645	not in this editor	00:55
zylopfa	ohh ok try shift insert then	00:55
theBrettman645	it's like vi	00:55
theBrettman645	well I'm in insert mode	00:55
theBrettman645	but now I got to backspace	00:55
theBrettman645	and idk what the commands r	00:55
theBrettman645	maybe it's vi, I'll look it up	00:56
zylopfa	yeah it is vi	00:56
zylopfa	but did yuo copy it in? or how far are yuo	00:56
zylopfa	you	00:56
zylopfa	you can do it over again just press <esc>	00:57
zylopfa	and then	00:57
zylopfa	:q!	00:57
zylopfa	and we can start from	00:58
zylopfa	crontab -e	00:58
theBrettman645	it's ok. I got it	00:58
theBrettman645	same commands as v	00:58
theBrettman645	*vi	00:58
theBrettman645	I hit escape then dd to delete the line	00:58
theBrettman645	then i	00:58
theBrettman645	then went to edit > paste	00:58
theBrettman645	then esc again	00:58
zylopfa	yeah it is vi	00:58
theBrettman645	then :wq	00:59
theBrettman645	ta da!	00:59
zylopfa	good	00:59
@preaction	well, it's vi iMproved, hence, vim	00:59
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theBrettman645	ah	00:59
mshepherd	vim++	00:59
theBrettman645	lol	00:59
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theBrettman645	how do I check that it's gonna start with fedora now?	01:01
theBrettman645	it wasn't verbose when I ran those commands for it	01:02
zylopfa	http://www.webgui.org/wiki/startup-scripts	01:03
@preaction	that's not part of the setup process, read /data/wre/docs/install.txt to see how to install the service scripts and use chkconfig	01:03
SquOnk	Hey people.	01:04
zylopfa	ln -s /data/wre/sbin/services/redhat/webgui /etc/init.d/webgui	01:04
zylopfa	chkconfig --add webgui	01:04
zylopfa	chkconfig webgui on	01:04
zylopfa	Hail SquOnk	01:04
SquOnk	preaction: Is there a way to validate a DataForm field using a regex?	01:04
SquOnk	zylopfa: Hello	01:05
@preaction	SquOnk: only in the JS as far as i know	01:05
@preaction	or .. in theory.. though a data form entry workflow activity	01:05
+perlDreamer	but that would be after the entry was saved	01:05
theBrettman645	I used the chkconfig, it was at the bottom of the page under platform specific notes...	01:05
@preaction	but that'd be async, after the user has already left	01:05
SquOnk	preaction: Nah. I guess I'll have to add the validation to the pulldown instead.	01:05
zylopfa	Oi i should make a form control for that good idea SquOnk	01:05
@preaction	perlDreamer: not necessarily, you could turn saveData off and have the activity save the data manually	01:06
+perlDreamer	true dat	01:06
SquOnk	preaction: I need to validate national ID number along the lines of (V\|E)\d{5,10}	01:06
theBrettman645	I put all that in that u typed but it didn't do anything	01:06
+perlDreamer	you could create a custom form plugin	01:06
+perlDreamer	and enable the DataForm to use it	01:06
@preaction	theBrettman645: use chkconfig --list and look for webgui	01:06
zylopfa	did it come with any errors theBrettman645 ?	01:06
SquOnk	preaction: And also Tax IDs along the lines of (V\|E\|J)-?\d{10}-?\d	01:06
+perlDreamer	or better yet, let the DataForm use any form plugin that is dynamicCompatible	01:06
SquOnk	perlDreamer: I figured that out by looking at the code, but wondered if it was already done :-(	01:07
theBrettman645	no errors	01:08
SquOnk	Anyway, it's not urgent but it would be nice to have a 'Regex' type.	01:08
zylopfa	perlDreamer, what does it mean that they are dynamic compatible?	01:08
zylopfa	arent all form validation modules taken in?	01:09
+perlDreamer	SquOnk, even if there was a Regex type, it wouldn't have a field available in the interface to enter in a Regex	01:09
+perlDreamer	not until preaction's magic 8 Form interface	01:09
zylopfa	ahh sweet	01:10
+perlDreamer	iirc, you'll be able to ask a form plugin for its configuration form	01:10
+perlDreamer	rather than what we have now, which is 1 size fits all	01:10
theBrettman645	off off on on on on off	01:10
theBrettman645	is that how it's supposed to be?	01:11
@preaction	yes	01:11
theBrettman645	cool, thx	01:11
zylopfa	anything thats called webgui theBrettman645 ?	01:11
theBrettman645	guess I'm up and running	01:11
theBrettman645	yes, webgui is there	01:11
zylopfa	good	01:12
theBrettman645	so I guess that's set so it will startup with fedora	01:12
zylopfa	the 0: 1: 2: etc are runlevels	01:12
theBrettman645	now it's time to read the whole guide, fun	01:12
zylopfa	haa yeah	01:12
zylopfa	so now it should start up webgui when ever you turn your machine on	01:13
theBrettman645	now, how on earth do I get my username to work right on irc? I'm using irc2go and I don't know how to login right or something	01:13
zylopfa	and close it down when you shut it down	01:13
theBrettman645	cuz I signed up for freenode	01:13
zylopfa	I use a program in linux called XChat	01:14
theBrettman645	so I should be able to login to freenode as theBrettman but I'm not sure how I put in my password	01:14
@preaction	/msg nickserv identify password	01:14
theBrettman645	I kinda like using irc2go cuz it's easy and I can go on to any irc pretty easy	01:14
theBrettman645	got it, thx	01:14
theBrettman645	I seen it but it flashes so fast! lol	01:14
theBrettman645	nickserver theBrettman	01:17
theBrettman645	huh?	01:17
theBrettman645	grr	01:17
theBrettman645	lol	01:17
theBrettman645	how do I change to my original?	01:17
@preaction	/nick newnick	01:18
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theBrettman645	it won't work	01:18
theBrettman645	it does nothing, lol	01:18
@preaction	check the status window, maybe something is wrong	01:18
theBrettman645	it says the name is already taken but how do I change to it? lol	01:20
scrottie0	change it to something that isn't taken.	01:20
@preaction	taken, someone else is using it.	01:20
theBrettman645	it's mine, I got a password for it	01:21
@pbcj	identify via /msg NickServ identify <password>.	01:21
@preaction	then //msg nickserv ghost theBrettman password	01:21
@preaction	er... one /	01:21
theBrettman645	it just says theBrettman645 is not a registered nickname	01:21
@preaction	you ghost your real nickname, that will kick whoever is using it off the server	01:22
theBrettman645	but I just ghosted myself, lol	01:22
theBrettman645	ohhhh	01:22
theBrettman645	ha ha	01:22
@preaction	/msg nickserv help	01:22
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theBrettman	cool, got it now	01:23
theBrettman	yay, I'm me again! lol	01:23
theBrettman	well thx for all ur help guys!	01:24
theBrettman	I'm sure I'll be back to bug u again after I'm done with the manual	01:24
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theBrettman	/msg nickserv identify pisces4622	01:54
theBrettman	ok, so I don't see anything in the docs for add a site...	01:57
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@preaction	it's in the admin guide, http://webgui.org/user-guides	02:03
theBrettman	thx	02:04
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theBrettman	ok, tried to figure it out on my own but what's the best way to restart mod_perl, mod_proxy, and Spectre?	02:26
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jjm_	\msg perlDreamer Colin?	02:54
jjm_	opps	02:55
theBrettman	anyone can tell me how to restart mod_perl, mod_proxy, and Spectre?	03:04
@preaction	wreservice --restart modperl modproxy spectre	03:18
theBrettman	thx	03:20
theBrettman	what dir I gotta be in for wreservice?	03:23
theBrettman	cuz it didn't work	03:24
@preaction	you need to source the WRE's environment, by doing "source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh". then you can do wreservice.pl. this should be covered in the admin's guide	03:27
+perlDreamer	wreservice.pl --restart web spectre	03:29
theBrettman	weird, I didn't see it anywhere yet	03:30
+perlDreamer	did you follow preaction's instructions for setting the environment first?	03:31
theBrettman	yes but I wasn't root	03:33
theBrettman	trying again as root	03:34
theBrettman	I'm getting all kinds of alerts	03:35
+perlDreamer	red, blue and green?	03:35
theBrettman	a cpl windows popped up	03:35
theBrettman	and it didn't work	03:35
theBrettman	first was permission denied	03:36
theBrettman	that was on mod_perl	03:36
theBrettman	same on mod_proxy	03:37
+perlDreamer	do you have SELinux enabled?	03:37
theBrettman	and same on the last	03:37
theBrettman	idk, but it said something about SELinux	03:37
theBrettman	what on earth is SELinux?	03:37
+perlDreamer	Security Enhanced Linux	03:37
theBrettman	I guess it is enabled	03:38
+perlDreamer	in the install docs, it says that SELinux needs to be disabled to run WebGUI	03:38
theBrettman	that's what's blocking?	03:38
theBrettman	ahhhh	03:38
theBrettman	ok	03:38
+perlDreamer	pretty much everything :/	03:38
theBrettman	y does that sound like a bad idea?	03:38
theBrettman	is there a way to just configure selinux for webgui?	03:39
+perlDreamer	I'm sure there is, but no one has done it	03:40
theBrettman	I guess it's about writing policies	03:40
+perlDreamer	yes	03:41
theBrettman	that's weird, it said I don't have vim	03:42
theBrettman	lol	03:42
theBrettman	it musta been using vi after all	03:42
theBrettman	ohwell, I have it now	03:42
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theBrettman	still gettin permission denied :(	04:12
@preaction	where are you getting it?	04:16
theBrettman	got selinux disabled	04:16
theBrettman	when I try to restart everything	04:16
theBrettman	modperl modproxy and spectre	04:17
theBrettman	looks more like its just modproxy	04:17
@preaction	pastebin the error log someplace	04:20
theBrettman	u mean the message I keep getting from WRE Service Alert?	04:22
theBrettman	let me delete it and try one more time cuz it's appending stuff	04:24
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jjm_	Colin, you here?	04:25
theBrettman	I'm supposed to put in wreservice.pl --restart modperl modproxy spectre right?	04:26
theBrettman	I'm actually getting command not found again...	04:26
@preaction	you need to source the WRE again	04:27
theBrettman	do I have to do that every time I restart?	04:27
@preaction	everytime you open a console	04:27
theBrettman	I forgot how. where is it in the docs?	04:29
+perlDreamer	preaction, meet jjm_	04:29
+perlDreamer	jjm_ meet preaction	04:29
theBrettman	ha, I tried cd /data/wre/sbin and then ./wreservice.pl --restart modperl modproxy spectre and they all failed :(	04:32
theBrettman	except spectre	04:32
theBrettman	lol	04:32
theBrettman	only error I'm getting now is Apache/mod_proxy could NOT be restarted. localhost	04:35
+perlDreamer	if modperl won't start	04:36
+perlDreamer	modproxy won't start either	04:36
+perlDreamer	so track it down there	04:36
theBrettman	I'm kind of a noob	04:39
theBrettman	I don't know where to look	04:39
theBrettman	some logs or something?	04:39
@preaction	/data/wre/var/logs	04:40
@preaction	i suspect you haven't yet run /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl	04:40
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theBrettman	that failed	04:44
theBrettman	on line 23	04:44
theBrettman	can't locate CPAN.pm	04:45
@preaction	did you source in the WRE?	04:45
theBrettman	where do I find that in the docs so I don't have to keep asking?	04:45
theBrettman	I forgot how	04:46
@preaction	"source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh"	04:46
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theBrettman	I found it in the docs and where it tells u to do it there's a typo	04:50
theBrettman	it says . setenvironment.sh instead of ./setenvironment.sh	04:50
+perlDreamer	the docs are correct	04:50
@preaction	the docs are correct	04:51
@preaction	. means "source".	04:51
+perlDreamer	in Bash, . is short for "source"	04:51
* preaction mutters about the echo		04:51
+perlDreamer	echo :)	04:51
+perlDreamer	these aren't the droids you're looking for	04:51
theBrettman	ohhhh	04:51
theBrettman	so I should figure out how to add /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh to my profile	04:52
theBrettman	is it ln -s /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh /etc/init.d/setenvironment.sh and then chkconfig --add setenvironment.sh and chkconfig setenvironment.sh on?	04:54
+perlDreamer	no	04:55
+perlDreamer	that adds a service	04:55
theBrettman	I almost thought I was smart	04:55
+perlDreamer	to alter your environment, you can link it to /etc/profile.d	04:55
+perlDreamer	however, certain libraries conflict with system libraries	04:55
+perlDreamer	so it may prevent you from installing updates via yum	04:55
theBrettman	so I should just leave it be?	04:55
+perlDreamer	I make a short alias	04:56
+perlDreamer	wreme	04:56
theBrettman	so I call the alias wreme what do I set it to?	04:58
theBrettman	does it have source in it?	04:58
theBrettman	or is it /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh?	04:59
theBrettman	so then I would go . wreme?	04:59
+perlDreamer	no	04:59
+perlDreamer	to set up an alias do	04:59
+perlDreamer	alias wreme='source /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh'	04:59
theBrettman	ok, so I do use source	04:59
+perlDreamer	then, anytime you type wreme it will run that command	04:59
theBrettman	got it	04:59
theBrettman	still getting can't locate CPAN.pl	05:04
theBrettman	*CPAN.pm	05:04
@preaction	what does "which perl" say?	05:06
@preaction	and you disabled selinux with "setenforce 0" right?	05:06
theBrettman	no SELINUX=disabled	05:08
theBrettman	which perl says /usr/bin/perl	05:10
@preaction	then you didn't source the environment correctly	05:10
@preaction	which perl should say /data/wre/prereqs/bin/perl	05:10
theBrettman	I made the alias and ran it	05:11
@preaction	you don't run it. you source it.	05:11
theBrettman	the alias has source in it	05:11
theBrettman	I think... let me double check	05:11
theBrettman	yeah, left source out	05:13
theBrettman	that works now	05:13
theBrettman	do I want to upgrade LWP?	05:14
@preaction	you probably want to upgrade everything	05:14
theBrettman	I'll just keep saying yes till everything is done as long as it doesn't ask me to sell my soul to the devil...	05:16
+perlDreamer	you need an optional module for spiritual transactions	05:16
theBrettman	rofl	05:16
theBrettman	wow, that's a lot of stuff	05:21
theBrettman	what's it building? a spaceship?	05:21
theBrettman	yay, done!	05:25
theBrettman	and everyting started	05:26
theBrettman	do I have to choose a site design? I wanna make my own	05:29
+perlDreamer	we don't have an option for a blank style	05:32
theBrettman	damn	05:34
theBrettman	well thx guys! I'm up and running!	05:35
theBrettman	wow, that shortcut feature is cool!	05:49
theBrettman	it seems like u guys thought of everything	05:52
theBrettman	I can't imagine all the plugins I'd have to install on wordpress to do all of this	05:53
theBrettman	and then have to debug or hack all of their plugins	05:53
+perlDreamer	well, not everything, but there's a lot in there :)	05:53
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theBrettman	is layers possible or easy to do?	06:45
@preaction	layers of what?	06:46
theBrettman	as in if I want a layer to appear on top of another layer	06:55
theBrettman	like maybe I have the navigation bar and I want the logo to cover the left side of it	06:56
@preaction	read the designers guide, and read some documents about CSS	06:57
theBrettman	i'll get there eventually, lol	07:03
theBrettman	I'm on the primer now	07:03
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scrottie0	mornin'.	09:13
andyiomoon	afternoon scrottie0	09:17
andyiomoon	that was a greeting and not a correction	09:17
scrottie0	hah	09:22
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elnino	Good Morning!	16:20
elnino	Is there any way I can modify a shortcutted httpproxy's url using output from a sql report displayed on the sme pagelayout?	16:21
elnino	basically, I have a db of urls I want to http proxy on a single page.	16:27
elnino	I suppose I can do a drop list, but that would make the user "click", and we wanted to somehow display it all.	16:27
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xdanger	Is there some sql helper library that does the same things that WebGUI::SQL ?	16:38
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+BartJol	xdanger: well, I suppose that that is a specific WebGUI api, depending on what you wanna use it for, I'm sure someone invented that weel	17:18
xdanger	I'm just used working with quickArray, buildArray* ,etc ;)	17:19
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+BartJol	I should say, browse cpan	17:20
xdanger	I tied, didn't find anything	17:21
xdanger	tried	17:21
+BartJol	well, I guess you can use the module separate from webgui, prolly have to make some alterations	17:22
+BartJol	for building the db object	17:22
@khenn	what are you trying to do?	17:29
* BartJol is trying to sip a beer and succeeded!		17:39
SDuensin	Can I scream? Would that be ok?	17:52
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+perlDreamer	Hey, everyone. TGIF	17:58
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+BartJol	friday afternoon even	18:11
+BartJol	luckily we have andy going of to drink beer when we start working, now we can do that to USA people	18:12
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@pbcj	heyoooooo	18:15
scrottie0	heeeey.	18:23
SDuensin	Hey gang. Anyone managed to get WebGUI and PayPal to do subscription payments?	18:23
+perlDreamer	not yet	18:24
+perlDreamer	we're waiting for your patch :)	18:24
SDuensin	I _knew_ that was coming.	18:24
* perlDreamer has a 1-track IRC chat		18:24
SDuensin	It's a shame you can't afford me to write all this cool stuff. :-P	18:25
+perlDreamer	most people who get paid to write cool stuff for WebGUI start off making volunteer contributions	18:26
SDuensin	What? You don't want to look at Apple II graphics stored in disk images? :-P	18:26
+perlDreamer	uh, non-Acme meaningful core contributions? :D	18:26
SDuensin	hehe	18:26
+perlDreamer	seriously though, I would guess that extending the PayPal drivers to do subscriptions wouldn't be that bad code-wise	18:28
+perlDreamer	I say that, of course, with little to no knowledge about how to actually do it	18:28
SDuensin	I honestly don't know. I'd think it'd be similar to how iTransact works. They run the charge every month and report back the results.	18:29
+perlDreamer	so, we need to tell PayPal what URL to ring up on the WebGUI site	18:30
+perlDreamer	and then have code to accept that, validate it and do the right magic on our end	18:30
SDuensin	Yup. And I think there's a way to send PayPal the URL to use when the subscription/payment is made. (You can fill it in on their site, but then you only get one - sucks for multiple sites!)	18:31
xdanger	Maybe I should stop for this week and get some beer... I have looked at legacy perl code for this week and it makes me suicidal..	18:44
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xdanger	about every "don't do it like this" rules have been broken in that code...	18:44
mshepherd	mornin	18:45
+perlDreamer	If WebGUI8 admin is not modal anymore, does that mean it's like emacs?	19:18
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scrottie0	mornin' mshepherd	20:07
CIA-70	webgui: Paul Driver master * re901b95 / (3 files in 3 dirs): rfe #12108: Mail to Group preference field - http://bit.ly/f7JsyY	20:22
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ckotil	http://txt2re.com/	21:12
@khenn	I just wanted to let you all know that Test::MockObject::Extend is the coolest perl module ever	21:40
Haarg	it is very handy, yes	21:41
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zylopfa	Greetings Webguiands	00:44
scrottie0	ahoy!	00:56
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@pbcj	have a great weekend all	03:18
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Trex	Someone called?	04:57
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qwebirc88687	Hey, anyone there? I've got a problem with webgui	17:05
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qwebirc20292	I cannot connect to the Webgui users guide = Permission Denied!	17:07
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mshepherd	morning	17:11
+BartJol	qwebirc20292: lemme have a look	17:18
+BartJol	mmmm, they did seem to block it	17:19
+BartJol	strange	17:19
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@pbcj	mornin	17:59
mshepherd	how's it?	17:59
@pbcj	monday	18:00
mshepherd	yeah, f that	18:00
@pbcj	BartJol, which guide isn't working?	18:02
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+BartJol	all of them	18:08
@pbcj	still?	18:17
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+BartJol	pbcj: still :(	18:49
@pbcj	not for me	18:49
@pbcj	RIPE hates you	18:49
+BartJol	lemme check another browser	18:49
@pbcj	and the webgui guides are a bit, well, racey	18:49
@pbcj	this is payback for shutting down my unreal server(s)	18:50
+BartJol	ah, another browser works, maybe caching	18:50
+BartJol	eeeh, did I shutdown one of your servers?	18:50
@pbcj	no, I was behaving	18:50
+perlDreamer	yeah, just as he was about frag the Danes, too!	18:50
@pbcj	and now that I got the memo about not fragging the Danes, that dream is pretty much shot	18:51
+BartJol	starnge, I can't when I'm logged in it seems	18:51
+perlDreamer	maybe Bartjol was working in the interest of International peace	18:51
mshepherd	i also get perm denied on the user guides	18:52
mshepherd	let me logout and try	18:52
@pbcj	woah	18:52
mshepherd	yeah, they work fine	18:52
@bopbop	permissions are set to be visible to visitors... registered users should work too - let me switch it to Everyone and see if it works for you guys	18:53
+BartJol	so permission to visitor instead of everybody?	18:53
+perlDreamer	Permissions should be set to everyone	18:53
@pbcj	so that would break if you didn't have cookies enabled?	18:53
+perlDreamer	since Visitors means "only people who are not logged in"	18:53
+perlDreamer	if you didn't have cookies enabled	18:53
+perlDreamer	you can never have a session	18:54
+BartJol	it would work	18:54
+perlDreamer	so you're always Visitor	18:54
+BartJol	whoohoo, I get in	18:54
+perlDreamer	bopbop, I just fixed the CM guide	18:54
+perlDreamer	are you working on the others?	18:54
+BartJol	still, it is differnt	18:54
@bopbop	so did I :)	18:54
@bopbop	yes, I'll get the others	18:54
+BartJol	but I suppose those are othe objects	18:55
+perlDreamer	okay, I'll fix other kinds of bugs	18:55
@bopbop	what's different Bartjol?	18:57
qwebirc20292	Users guide are working in - checked only chrome & firefox	19:01
@bopbop	should be all fixed now	19:01
+BartJol	I'll look	19:01
+BartJol	ah, it's ok now, it were just the underlying object that also had to be done	19:02
+BartJol	thanks	19:06
+BartJol	and till next time	19:06
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcf36a15 / (7 files in 6 dirs):	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: When the Sku for an item no longer exists, do not show links to it. Check for	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: bad skus in Transaction/www_viewItem. Provide variables to not show links when	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: the skus do not exist. Handle existing links better by not returning the user	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: to the home page, but to the transaction. Fixes bug #12107. -	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: http://bit.ly/ggoU8D	21:37
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re0bd813 / (7 files in 6 dirs):	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: When the Sku for an item no longer exists, do not show links to it. Check for	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: bad skus in Transaction/www_viewItem. Provide variables to not show links when	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: the skus do not exist. Handle existing links better by not returning the user	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: to the home page, but to the transaction. Fixes bug #12107. -	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: http://bit.ly/hEG6ap	21:38
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9065aa9 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm : Fix a syntax error in the Transaction. - http://bit.ly/fsDEW6	22:04
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rabe9b48 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm : Fix a syntax error in the Transaction. - http://bit.ly/eiyKTT	22:04
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@preaction	I highly recommend never doing what I am right now doing: working with JS over multiple frames	23:29
@preaction	it makes for nice features, like a frame getting enhanced by its parent, but if everything isn't prepared to be inserted into a different document than the current document, everything goes wonky	23:30
+perlDreamer	the JsonTable is being a little schizoid	23:30
+perlDreamer	on the one hand, it generates columns for all json hash entries	23:31
+perlDreamer	but then, if it's not a valid field, it leaves the cell with	23:31
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r9d6fa33 / (3 files in 2 dirs):	00:48
CIA-70	webgui: remove toggleToolbar and getToolbar state	00:48
CIA-70	webgui: These are not necessary with the new toolbars - http://bit.ly/i0eWSM	00:48
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5612871 / (7 files in 5 dirs): new, fully-javascript admin toolbars - http://bit.ly/hZgEI5	00:48
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r9068e75 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/AdminToggle.pm : AdminToggle can only be on - http://bit.ly/hGj4Ey	00:48
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CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r028d639 / (4 files in 4 dirs):	04:24
CIA-70	webgui: Fix the display of the lastUpdated and lastResult fields for Calendar iCal	04:24
CIA-70	webgui: feeds. Fix the name of the status field in the Asset definition. Update all	04:24
CIA-70	webgui: revisions of all calendars to fix the issue. Fixes bug #12104. -	04:24
CIA-70	webgui: http://bit.ly/h8N63T	04:24
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re5d94f3 / (4 files in 4 dirs):	04:25
CIA-70	webgui: Fix the display of the lastUpdated and lastResult fields for Calendar iCal	04:25
CIA-70	webgui: feeds. Fix the name of the status field in the Asset definition. Update all	04:25
CIA-70	webgui: revisions of all calendars to fix the issue. Fixes bug #12104. -	04:25
CIA-70	webgui: http://bit.ly/fPMWeZ	04:25
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+perlDreamer	preaction! CHI now has an expires_on_backend parameter	06:22
@preaction	hmm?	06:23
+perlDreamer	you can tell CHI to expire content	06:23
+perlDreamer	especially for memcached drivers	06:23
@preaction	oh, so the backend expires itself?	06:23
+perlDreamer	ya!	06:23
+perlDreamer	brb	06:23
+perlDreamer	the docs are a little lacking	06:27
+perlDreamer	but the changelog says that the memcached driver supports the expires_on_backend parameter when using the driver	06:27
+perlDreamer	CHI 0.45 and latest memached driver	06:28
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re674a2e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.14 release. - http://bit.ly/gLRg7t	06:29
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfa0a606 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.15 development. - http://bit.ly/gXPkCB	06:44
-!- Radix__ changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.9.26-stable \| 7.10.14-beta \| WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org \| Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com		06:45
+perlDreamer	Thanks Radix__	06:46
+Radix__	dw, I'll recall all the favours when we finally upgrade our ageing webgui server and I hassle everyone for advice ;)	06:46
+perlDreamer	not a problem	06:47
+perlDreamer	just how old are we talking?	06:47
+Radix__	WebGUI Build Version: 7.0.8-stable	06:48
+Radix__	Latest version available: 7.9.26-stable	06:48
+Radix__	Assets: 7185	06:48
+Radix__	Packages: 3	06:48
+Radix__	Templates: 289	06:48
+Radix__	Active Sessions: 760	06:48
+Radix__	Users: 18282	06:48
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+perlDreamer	I haven't seen an upgrade from that early for a while, but they are possible	06:48
+perlDreamer	lots of changes to Calendar, Survey	06:49
+perlDreamer	anything custom in there?	06:49
+Radix__	actually I think we'll probably just get PB to do it for us and pay them for it	06:49
@preaction	yay!	06:49
+Radix__	but it's on our list of todo's at some point	06:49
+Radix__	don't use calendar/survey so that's okay	06:50
+Radix__	not much custom either	06:50
+perlDreamer	then you're probably golden, aside from the JSON snafu thing	06:50
@preaction	might as well wait until 8 at the rate you're going ;)	06:50
+Radix__	heh.. yeah.. it's low priority for us as it works well	06:50
+Radix__	but at some point we will need to move it out to a colo or vps to get it out of the office	06:51
+perlDreamer	you wanting local hosting?	06:51
+Radix__	need something local yeah	06:52
+perlDreamer	you should chat with Bart and Koen, they've done some hosting setups down there and may know some good hosters	06:52
+Radix__	hosting setups in au?	06:53
+perlDreamer	yeah	06:53
+Radix__	cool.. will do then	06:53
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elnino	is there a way to run SET CONCAT_NULL_YIELDS_NULL OFF in the preqery statements? It seems not to be working.	09:10
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Trebbor	Goodmorning.	09:26
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zylopfa	Guys, in Thingy.pm, shouldnt "www_search" and "www_searchViaAjax" return the same data for the same form parameters?	13:58
+BartJol	I suppose	14:00
zylopfa	Its just very wierd, i been looking through the functions and they should be the same	14:01
+BartJol	I haven't looked	14:02
zylopfa	just checking some more	14:02
zylopfa	No tried again with the exact same search parameters for both	14:04
zylopfa	the www_search returns the real search for say the last name	14:04
zylopfa	func=search;thingId=3hgztbI0stfJSgB_ume5Kg;field_3CiVbGAcsbYfozxX8KqeUA=Jensen	14:04
zylopfa	But if i do the exact same query but with searchViaAjax	14:05
zylopfa	I get the result i would get if i didnt put any search parameters	14:05
zylopfa	In the searchViaAjax the only thing that seems to use my search parameter is the pagination list in the returned json	14:06
+BartJol	well those subs are different	14:06
zylopfa	yeah but i also tried to take the www_search	14:07
zylopfa	and make a new function that took that and returned the %var from it encoded to json	14:07
zylopfa	and i still get the wrong result	14:08
+BartJol	maybe the property isn't as specified, unfortunately I haven't used the thing very much and should dig into it too much to give you an answer now	14:10
+BartJol	sorry	14:10
zylopfa	ok no worries. the end of it is i need to program my own wobject to get reliable json from searching in thingies	14:10
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zylopfa	BartJol, I am debugging it now, seems there are errors, the 2 sql statements are not identical at all	14:42
zylopfa	LOL	14:43
zylopfa	I found the error now, its hardcoded in the code that generate the queries	14:43
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+BartJol	:)	14:51
zylopfa	It was a mistake, it only expect the func to be search	14:52
zylopfa	if its other than search it return the default query	14:52
zylopfa	so it in theory ignore searchViaAjax	14:52
+BartJol	well, that explains a lot	14:52
zylopfa	and thats an error, then it should be called showDefaultSearchViaAjax	14:52
zylopfa	yeah	14:52
zylopfa	I hope someone will soon merge my last thingy updates and bugfixes	14:53
+BartJol	reporting a bug normally helps	14:53
zylopfa	yeah but i talked to the guys inhere and they said i should make a git account	14:53
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+BartJol	well, that helps to get your fixes included	14:54
zylopfa	and make my branch of latest beta and change it there and merge it with my branch	14:54
zylopfa	and then ask if they could pull it	14:54
zylopfa	yeah i guess	14:54
zylopfa	I will try that also	14:54
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elnino	Good morning is there a way to run SET CONCAT_NULL_YIELDS_NULL OFF in the preqery statements? It seems not to be working	16:32
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mshepherd	morning	17:04
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mshepherd	cj: you were right.. webgui related content in my dreams last night..	18:46
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@preaction	https://gist.github.com/70e88fff11d696295ece anyone know of any other needed magic numbers for the group system?	19:07
zylopfa	I havent been needing any other than the defined ones so far preaction	19:08
+perlDreamer	preaction, there are other predefined groups, but I don't know if they're hard-coded or if they're assigned in the Settings	19:09
+perlDreamer	select groupId, groupName does show other default groups	19:09
@preaction	but they're not magic. they're just kinda there	19:09
@preaction	well, they shouldn't be hardcoded anymore besides those at least	19:11
+perlDreamer	yeah	19:11
zylopfa	perlDreamer, I found an error in Thingy again!	19:11
+perlDreamer	zylopfa, I saw that! Thanks for the bug report	19:12
zylopfa	Its a oneliner	19:12
+perlDreamer	although, it does help to have line numbers to go with patches :)	19:12
zylopfa	I can see from the code that the ajax functions came later in thingy	19:12
zylopfa	I know perlDreamer but it doesnt seem anyone wanna pull my branch into webgui	19:12
zylopfa	I have changed 2 other errors and made the new updates	19:12
zylopfa	to Thingy	19:12
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r06549c9 / docs/migration.txt : add migration docs for new admin on and toolbars - http://bit.ly/eRbNBZ	19:14
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r71aa711 / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm lib/WebGUI/User.pm): add documentation for magic numbers - http://bit.ly/f9teEk	19:14
Haarg	preaction, 4, 13, and 11 are also in the code	19:15
Haarg	ack 'isInGroup\(\s*[\d"'"'"']'	19:16
@preaction	hell	19:16
@preaction	guess i'll document them for now, and we'll figure out how to remove them later	19:17
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * re9f7933 / lib/WebGUI/Group.pm : add the other, lesser magic groups - http://bit.ly/ebappx	19:20
+perlDreamer	Users of lesser magic can only perform small cantrips and illusions	19:37
+perlDreamer	only those of the true path can wield the wand of fireballs	19:37
@pbcj	woah	19:37
* preaction casts magic missle		19:37
* perlDreamer takes d4 damage		19:38
@preaction	ha ha! charade you are!	19:38
+perlDreamer	it's not d4?	19:39
@preaction	no, i'm taunting you because my missle did 2 damage!	19:40
* perlDreamer starts looking for the bat guano and sulphur		19:43
@preaction	ooooh what you gonna do? stink me to death?	19:44
+perlDreamer	either that, or last night's leftover bean dip	19:44
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r45ca3ea / (3 files in 2 dirs): remove switchAdminOn. anyone in group 12 always has admin on - http://bit.ly/h3KbBU	19:44
+perlDreamer	always?	19:44
+perlDreamer	what if I don't want admin on?	19:44
@preaction	sucks to be you then	19:44
+perlDreamer	but the overhead!	19:45
+perlDreamer	the performance cost!	19:45
+perlDreamer	but	19:45
+perlDreamer	but	19:45
@preaction	those have to go away anyway	19:45
@preaction	anything that distinguishes Admin On from normal users logged in must be removed, except for the boolean check	19:45
@preaction	the boolean check remains only for backwards compat, because i really don't feel like vetting everyone's template ever	19:45
+perlDreamer	so, for an Admin to really duplicate a user's experience on the site, they need a separate, non-privileged account	19:46
@preaction	no, they just need to not be inside the admin frame, mostly	19:46
@preaction	the use of admin on to provide an enhanced experience is deprecated	19:46
@preaction	and i'm working on fixing Layout, DataForm, and Product to remove our major uses of it	19:47
@preaction	http://www.webgui.org/uploads/9e/37/9e37ec0f79964d759fb533c3f1290df9/Screen-shot-2011-04-19-at-11.45.59-AM.png <- new toolbars. so pretty	19:49
+perlDreamer	those are very nice	19:50
+perlDreamer	and an Admin will always see those, and the drag bars? No way to see it like a human?	19:50
@preaction	no. you must be in the admin frame to see those toolbars	19:51
@preaction	the drag bars are currently always visible, but i'm fixing that right now	19:51
+perlDreamer	tell me more about this admin frame	19:51
+perlDreamer	how do I get into it?	19:52
@preaction	the outer bits	19:52
@preaction	the bits that surround the view iframe	19:52
@preaction	you go to ?op=admin	19:52
@preaction	or click the link that is currently entitled "Turn Admin On"	19:52
+perlDreamer	and you get framed	19:52
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+perlDreamer	okay, that's not so bad then. To me, it was starting to sound like you were always in what was traditionally Admin mode	19:53
+BartJol	what is chris's nick?	19:53
+perlDreamer	pbcj	19:53
@preaction	pbcj: BartJol wants you	19:53
@pbcj	not true	19:53
@preaction	YOU ARE WANTED, DEAL WITH IT	19:53
+BartJol	well just to make sure he doesn't want me	19:53
@pbcj	is it hot in here?	19:53
+perlDreamer	I like that the Class icon shows that's it's a drop down now	19:53
+perlDreamer	no more magic	19:53
mshepherd	those toolbars are much nicer!	19:57
mshepherd	also	19:58
* mshepherd puts on his robe and wizard hat		19:58
@preaction	you guys won't kill me too much if i change the drag bars look into a single icon, right?	20:02
+perlDreamer	He's only mostly killed!	20:02
+perlDreamer	it's sometimes handy to have the draggable area be the whole top of the asset	20:03
+perlDreamer	particularly when styles break badly in admin mode	20:03
+perlDreamer	or admin frame	20:03
@preaction	i guess, but it's ugly :(	20:04
@preaction	i'll change the icon anyway, and we'll leave the bar	20:04
@preaction	and then we'll ask bopbop. she'll know. she knows everything	20:04
+perlDreamer	Just keep her away from my Life cereal	20:04
@bopbop	I like the whole top being draggable	20:05
@bopbop	I don't think I've every actually used the drag button	20:05
@bopbop	geez, butchered that sentence	20:05
@preaction	k. i'll just change the icon to some kind of "move" icon and leave the whole bar	20:06
@preaction	i mean, we've got enough new screenshots to take for our various guides anyway :p	20:06
elnino	hi. all! just wondering if there a way to run SET CONCAT_NULL_YIELDS_NULL OFF in the preqery statements? It seems not to be working. Is that not what that section is for?	20:08
@preaction	should we finally remove those table-based layout templates? or should we at least not upgrade them and remove them from default content?	20:08
+perlDreamer	in classic admin mode, they're all table based	20:08
+perlDreamer	hey, elnino!	20:09
elnino	hey!	20:09
@preaction	elnino: are you using msql? or is this the webgui mysql database?	20:09
elnino	well, Im using sqlreport on a thingy I wrote.	20:09
elnino	so the query is on my thingy tables.	20:10
elnino	is that what you're asking?	20:10
@preaction	that setting you mentioned seems to be a msql setting, not a mysql one	20:10
elnino	oh, it's a mysql thing. I thought... I thought that's what google said...	20:10
+perlDreamer	nope, msql	20:11
elnino	oh. I guess it is SQL server. what do I do now?	20:11
@preaction	dunno	20:12
elnino	I'll keep looking I guess.	20:12
elnino	thanks - it was around 2AM....	20:12
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elnino	i'll try using isnull and provide an alternative as the second arguement.	20:14
+perlDreamer	hm	20:33
+perlDreamer	I guess if you use title as a link in search results	20:34
+perlDreamer	and you want to be able to see the link	20:34
+perlDreamer	you'd better supply a title...	20:34
@preaction	perhaps	20:34
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@pbcj	preaction: I think there should be a data tab in new admin mode, where processTemplate will have magically stuck your template vars. sorta like the preview functionality that got ported	21:35
@pbcj	or just a full out developer mode similar to new admin mode, but cooler	21:36
@preaction	something along those lines is certainly possible, but the preview stuff has a bit of refactoring to do	21:36
@preaction	admin mode is a template, so anyone is free to experiment with it as they wish	21:36
@pbcj	getting automagical template vars would need some core support	21:36
+perlDreamer	pbcj, template preview already has that	21:38
@pbcj	right	21:39
+perlDreamer	it's just not merged into 8 yet	21:39
@preaction	hence the refactor, www_ methods (especially www_view) need to return the template objects instead of the html content, and then a content handler needs to grab the vars instead of displaying the content	21:39
@pbcj	well, to be complete, there would have ot be an intercept mode of sorts where any call to processTemplate gets stacked and the final results ignored and instead the var stack gets sent	21:40
@pbcj	otherwise things like macros would not be included	21:40
@preaction	no, we have a different way of doing it now, in 8. www_view can just return $template	21:41
@pbcj	better still	21:42
@preaction	so I can add my params to the template object, and then return it	21:42
@pbcj	sweet, so then this is probably trivial	21:42
+perlDreamer	if the content generation chain doesn't return HTML anymore, then view essentially becomes getTemplateVariables	21:48
+perlDreamer	and subclassing get easier	21:48
+perlDreamer	I like that.	21:48
xdanger	I tried to test wg8, but the upgrade didn't work.. It trowd an error on importing the new admin console.. Is there something I need to upgrade from cpan?	21:49
@preaction	testEnvironment.pl should work	21:51
@preaction	otherwise what is the error	21:52
xdanger	testEnviroment ok, Error during package import on /data/plainblack/webgui/share/upgrades/7.10.4-8.0.0/admin_console.wgpkg: DBD::mysql::db do failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '1 set 1='<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN\" \"http://www' at line 1 [for Statement "update 1 set 1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=?,1=? where assetId=? and revisionDate=?"] at lib/WebGUI/Upgrade/File/wgpkg.pm line 78.	21:53
zylopfa	thats a wierd update command	21:55
* perlDreamer is out to lunch		22:00
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8906c3f / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm www/extras/admin/admin.js): className is the full class name. type is the i18n name - http://bit.ly/ffDrTF	22:02
@preaction	xdanger: works for me. are you trying to upgrade a 7.10.4 site to 8.0.0? or are you using wgd reset?	22:03
xdanger	preaction: I'm importing the create.sql on a freshsite	22:03
@preaction	and then running what? webgui.pl upgrade?	22:08
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xdanger	yeah	22:19
xdanger	well I run: sudo PERL5LIB=lib ./sbin/webgui.pl upgrade --doit	22:21
@preaction	the package looks alright to me. perhaps make sure you've got the latest version of Moose and Class::MOP?	22:31
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scrottie0	pbcj, a lot of people are probably going to be on 7 for a long time, re: converting assets from 7 to 8.	01:45
scrottie0	oh, you aren't here.	01:45
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scrottie0	pbcj, a lot of people are probably going to be on 7 for a long time, re: converting assets from 7 to 8. also, dropping definition in favor of 'properties' is pretty easy to do.	01:54
scrottie0	hrm, I know perlDreamer has some sed script for doing this, but it seems like a code generator that does WebGUI::Asset::Whatever->definition(), takes the result, and spits out perl/Moose would get you even further.	01:55
@pbcj	well, I was looking at the helpdesk asset	01:55
@pbcj	which has more going on than just needing to make its way to 8	01:56
scrottie0	did Paul target 8 when he re-did it?	01:56
scrottie0	yeah.	01:56
scrottie0	ah.	01:56
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+perlDreamer	it's not exactly a sed script, but it'll convert most parts of most Definitions to WebGUI 8	02:36
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+perlDreamer	time to go make dinner	03:02
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andyiomoon	evening all	03:49
andyiomoon	wonder if I could pick a brain or two	03:49
andyiomoon	I have a survey instance with a unique assetID	03:49
andyiomoon	it is quite a long and complicated survey	03:50
andyiomoon	I have copied it and made changes to the copy	03:50
andyiomoon	quite extensive changes	03:50
andyiomoon	what I didn't consider was that the unique ID of this survey was tied into other assets on our site	03:50
andyiomoon	is there a way to give my new modified copy of the survey the same assetID as the original	03:51
@preaction	edit the database directly, making sure to clear the cache	03:51
andyiomoon	thanks doug - I had an inkling that would be the case	03:52
@preaction	it's gonna be crazy	03:52
andyiomoon	I presume in editing the db it would be prudent to give the original survey instance a new assetID	03:53
@preaction	that could work, yes	03:53
@preaction	or	03:53
@preaction	you could wgd export both of them, then use diff/patch to apply the changes to the other one	03:53
andyiomoon	ok - that sounds like a method less likely to blow things up	03:54
@preaction	probably	03:54
andyiomoon	I shall put in a request to the wgd gurus then - much appreciated	03:55
andyiomoon	your suggestion almost makes up for the horrible image I have in my head of you regarding "sexy" technology	03:55
@preaction	yay!	03:57
@preaction	we should all be digusted by "sexy tech"	03:57
andyiomoon	we should but I don't advocate responding to "sexy tech" in the same way that you do	03:58
andyiomoon	it's just not natural!	03:58
andyiomoon	call me a prude	03:58
@preaction	of course not, it's technology!	03:58
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+perlDreamer	I don't think wgd can be used to alter assetIds	04:21
+perlDreamer	Ya, now I'm sure it won't...	04:23
+perlDreamer	it will let you change it in the interface, but when you try to save it, <BOOM>	04:23
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@preaction	right, but what you can do is move the changes from one asset to another using diff/patch	04:28
+perlDreamer	wgd export then	04:32
+perlDreamer	hm	04:32
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+BartJol	has anyone seen errors from the calendar feed update workflow?	16:39
+BartJol	Can't use string ("[]") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 111	16:39
+BartJol	so, or it is borking due to an empty array ref, or the syntax itself is borked	16:40
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fallout	morning	17:36
@pbcj	heyoooo	17:37
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@pbcj	am I to understand that "deref as" does not autovivicate?	17:47
@pbcj	I was looking at BartJols question and this line: elsif (! scalar @{ $calendar->getFeeds } ) {	17:47
@pbcj	which produces: Can't use string ("[]") as an ARRAY ref while "strict refs" in use	17:47
+perlDreamer	that's bad	17:47
+perlDreamer	since it should always be a data structure instead of JSON	17:47
@pbcj	well, then, bug: /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/CalendarUpdateFeeds.pm line 111	17:48
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@pbcj	not the less, I thought autovivication would have quietly glossed over this, returning a zero count in this scenario	17:49
@pbcj	s/not/none/	17:49
+perlDreamer	this isn't autovivification	17:49
+perlDreamer	that's for array and hashes	17:49
+perlDreamer	not strings	17:49
@pbcj	oh, it really is returning the string	17:49
+perlDreamer	"Can't use string ("[]")"	17:49
@pbcj	I took that as perl communicating an empty array to me	17:49
@pbcj	lol, dumbly	17:49
+perlDreamer	I wrote some tests for that Workflow Activity, let me rerun them and see what shakes out	17:50
@pbcj	with strict refs off, would perl have gone ahead and arrayified that string due to the @{ }	17:51
+perlDreamer	no	17:51
@pbcj	do what I mean?	17:51
@pbcj	Mr Toady would be sad	17:51
+perlDreamer	nope, Perl doesn't look inside of a string to see that it looks like JSON and then deserialize it	17:51
+perlDreamer	or XML	17:51
+perlDreamer	or CSV	17:51
+perlDreamer	the tests pass	17:51
+perlDreamer	how are you making this happen?	17:52
@pbcj	sure, and looks like you need another test ;)	17:52
+perlDreamer	that's entirely possible	17:52
@pbcj	I'm guessing its a calendar with an empty feed	17:52
+perlDreamer	we can whip up something like that	17:53
@pbcj	whats this we shit	17:53
+perlDreamer	that's the royal we	17:53
+perlDreamer	where your kind and benevolent mentor decides it's time for you to start writing tests ;)	17:53
@pbcj	oh noes	17:53
+perlDreamer	no, I wouldn't do that to you	17:54
+perlDreamer	that would be an abuse of power	17:54
+perlDreamer	worse than boot throwing	17:54
* pbcj has a sack of large trouts		17:54
+perlDreamer	something is very odd here	17:55
+perlDreamer	by the time the asset object exists, WebGUI should have already deserialized the JSON into a data structure	17:55
@pbcj	possible special data scenario, which is not decoding correctly?	17:56
@pbcj	'["[","]"]'	17:56
+perlDreamer	that's not the string that was shown though	17:56
@pbcj	oh I know, but it should be a string at that point anyway, right	17:57
@pbcj	arrg	17:57
@pbcj	should not	17:57
+perlDreamer	right	17:57
+perlDreamer	no, the test has a calendar with no feeds in it	17:58
+perlDreamer	I don't doubt that there's a bug, but I don't know enough to duplicate it so I can figure out what's up	17:59
@pbcj	this is odd indeed. oh well, when bart comes back we can ask about the particulars or get a bug filed or something	18:01
+perlDreamer	I have a suspicion about what's going on, and it may be related to the JsonTable	18:02
@pbcj	in getJSONCollateral, it either returns {} or \%hash	18:03
+perlDreamer	right, and since it returned '[]' it's not doing that	18:05
+perlDreamer	getFeeds is an alias for $self->get('icalFeeds')	18:05
+perlDreamer	getFeed is a call to getJSONCollateral	18:05
@khenn	preaction: found out that extjs is a dual license. If you use it commecially you have to pay. Open source can distribute for free. It's actually pretty amazing what this thing can do. I dare say it may be better than YUI	18:05
@preaction	but we are commercial. can't use	18:06
@khenn	WG = open source	18:06
@preaction	every business that uses WG = commercial, and thats enough to prevent me from using it	18:06
@khenn	PB = commercial company with no commercial products	18:06
@khenn	heh	18:07
@khenn	k	18:07
+perlDreamer	PB = commercial company with no distributed commercial products	18:07
+perlDreamer	and many distributed OS products	18:07
@khenn	yes perlDreamer	18:08
+perlDreamer	sorry, I'm stuck in pedantic mode this morning	18:08
@khenn	you sure that's only something that applies to this morning? =p	18:09
@pbcj	perlDreamer, ah, nice catch, probably would help for me to look at the right function. I was seriously starting to question things at that point.	18:09
+perlDreamer	khenn, my kids and wife and co-workers would ask the same question...	18:10
@khenn	I dare say pedantic simply describes your nature =)	18:10
@khenn	not a bad thing though	18:11
@khenn	makes for a good chip designer / webgui hacker	18:11
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scrottie0	ah.	20:34
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@preaction	so now that i've got the new page layout drag handles working, a question:	22:05
@preaction	how do i allow designers to edit what dependencies are injected into the view frame?	22:06
@preaction	in order to add toolbars and these drag handles, i inject about a dozen script and css files into the view frame	22:06
@preaction	would adding a way to add custom injects work?	22:06
+perlDreamer	how about making a FilePump bundle?	22:08
@preaction	they're YUI deps	22:08
+perlDreamer	that shouldn't matter. FilePump won't care about that	22:09
@preaction	http://dl.dropbox.com/u/226725/Screen%20shot%202011-04-20%20at%202.20.36%20PM.png	22:21
@preaction	It will be awesome if those toolbars survive the various style and layout templates out there	22:21
@preaction	in order to get the buttons into the drag handle things, i had to do some positioning tricks, so I don't have confidence they'll survive	22:22
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * recce246 / (9 files in 3 dirs): new layout drag handles working - http://bit.ly/hYbOnN	23:54
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+perlDreamer	pbcj, meet dreamersgirl	01:13
+perlDreamer	dreamersgirl, meet pbcj	01:13
* pbcj tips hit imaginary hat		01:13
@pbcj	ma'am	01:13
dreamersgirl	hi!	01:14
dreamersgirl	We're being lectured about ear infections.	01:14
dreamersgirl	I could teach the lecture.	01:14
@pbcj	I trust perlDreamers mentoring of me hasn't been too rough on you.	01:14
+perlDreamer	rubber balloons and saline solution	01:15
+perlDreamer	and call me in the morning	01:15
dreamersgirl	:)	01:15
dreamersgirl	no, pbcj, he's said nice things. :)	01:16
+perlDreamer	I meant them, too	01:16
@pbcj	bonus!	01:17
dreamersgirl	yeah, pD usually tells it like it is.	01:17
dreamersgirl	I hear you hack a mean code!	01:18
dreamersgirl	And you're a quick learner.	01:18
dreamersgirl	That makes him happy.	01:18
@pbcj	awww shucks	01:18
@pbcj	=)	01:18
dreamersgirl	And we all like it when pD is happy!	01:19
+perlDreamer	oh yes	01:19
+perlDreamer	when pD is happy, the meals get cooked	01:19
+perlDreamer	dishes get washed	01:19
+perlDreamer	shopping gets done	01:19
+perlDreamer	children get picked up on time	01:20
* sbaur waves at dreamersgirl		01:32
dreamersgirl	hi! how are you?	01:33
sbaur	I'm doing well, long time no see. Some day maybe, we will have funds for WUC attendance again. But I'm not going to hold my breath	01:34
dreamersgirl	money's tight everywhere these days.	01:36
sbaur	truth	01:37
dreamersgirl	maybe there needs to be a west-coast reunion sometime.	01:37
dreamersgirl	:)	01:37
sbaur	that would be pretty cool :-)	01:37
sbaur	and there are direct flights from santa rosa to portland now, so that would work great for me :-)	01:38
+perlDreamer	maybe we should do a YAWUC on the west coast	01:39
+perlDreamer	like YAPC, but for WebGUI	01:39
dreamersgirl	YAWUC sounds like another name for bigfoot	01:39
+perlDreamer	how about YAWC?	01:40
dreamersgirl	sounds a lot like yuck	01:40
sbaur	or yak/yack	01:40
+perlDreamer	do you think people would come for a short, community sponsored conference?	01:41
dreamersgirl	hack-a-thon!!!	01:41
dreamersgirl	I'm there!	01:41
dreamersgirl	if I'm not here.	01:41
sbaur	only hack-a-thon, i wouldn't be there, all about wg8, i could make a good case for being there, but would be much easier if it was held in CA	01:42
+perlDreamer	I think it'd have to have some wg7 content in it	01:43
+perlDreamer	last year has been big for 7.9 and 7.10	01:43
@preaction	but, but, but, it's been BIGGER for 8!	01:44
+perlDreamer	I'm not selling 8 short, just sayin' we need to do both	01:44
@preaction	if for any reason you are not satisfied, i hate you	01:44
sbaur	I would love 7.9 and 7.10 too, since those are still in my future	01:44
+perlDreamer	... oh ...	01:44
+perlDreamer	there aren't enough tests	01:45
@preaction	never enough tests	01:45
dreamersgirl	i hate tests	01:45
* perlDreamer is never satisfied		01:45
@preaction	hm... proceed= isn't working right...	01:45
+perlDreamer	outside of tests I'm pretty satisfied	01:45
+perlDreamer	could use more i18n and POD	01:45
dreamersgirl	webGUI tests, now those are cool.	01:46
dreamersgirl	Pathophysiology tests, not so much.	01:46
+perlDreamer	what if they were automatic and self-checking?	01:46
dreamersgirl	automatic and self-checking are great.	01:47
dreamersgirl	especially if they only gave out As	01:47
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rdb9753e / (6 files in 5 dirs): default www_edit now returns template. add errors to edit template - http://bit.ly/ePyJW7	01:51
@preaction	it's so close i can taste it!	01:52
@preaction	i've got to write a script that will populate a webgui site with every default asset we have in some kind of usable configuration so i can run some tests. anyone think that'll be useful to others?	01:53
+perlDreamer	couldn't hurt	01:53
+perlDreamer	especially if it was a wgd plugin	01:54
@preaction	ooh, and it could loop over the template sets too	01:57
@preaction	and then i could quickly visually check that all our styles work with all our app templates	01:58
@preaction	well. quickly being a relative measure.	01:58
+perlDreamer	it would be quicker with Selenium	01:58
@preaction	but kristi might find it nice too	01:58
+perlDreamer	in the long run	01:58
@preaction	selenium doesn't check visuals	01:59
@preaction	but the prebuilt content could then be checked with selenium, sure	01:59
sbaur	that sounds like something really useful to have in the testing toolbox	01:59
@preaction	i can't programmatically determine the app template sets though, can i?	02:00
@preaction	like collaboration has 4 templates, and each flavor has a different set of those 4	02:01
+perlDreamer	you can introspect the asset for defaults	02:01
+perlDreamer	and since template fields have namespaces listed...	02:01
@preaction	defaults sure, but if we only ever look at the defaults we'll never improve the non-defaults	02:01
+perlDreamer	then you can find all templates in a namespace, and get the non-defaults too	02:02
@preaction	though i suppose collab is the real violator here. not sure if any other app has different flavors of templates	02:02
+perlDreamer	oh yeah	02:02
+perlDreamer	DataForm has tabbed vs non-tabbed	02:02
+perlDreamer	Article has flavors	02:02
@preaction	right, but do i permutate every possible combination? or do i use specific sets of flavors?	02:02
@preaction	those only have one template slot, so no big deal	02:02
+perlDreamer	I don't think you can sanely determines sets	02:03
+perlDreamer	so you might have to permute	02:03
@preaction	gallery would be a big deal if it had different sets	02:03
+perlDreamer	which is ugly	02:03
+perlDreamer	since they won't work together very well	02:03
@preaction	and won't work. i think those templates rely on each other	02:03
@preaction	yeah	02:03
@preaction	so for some assets i will have to have sets, not a big deal, just makes for less automation	02:03
+perlDreamer	well, for the CS you can hand define sets	02:03
+perlDreamer	just for that 1 asset	02:04
+perlDreamer	that's not so bad	02:04
@preaction	right	02:04
@preaction	i'm thinking of some kind of configuration thing	02:04
@preaction	i mean, why not allow users to use this with their own assets and styles?	02:04
@preaction	but for now: loop over the styles, create a section for each style, each style has all assets, some assets have template sets, other assets loop over all templates	02:05
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd4672a9 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Consider search fields when doing search in a Thingy normally, or via Ajax. Fixes bug #12117. - http://bit.ly/erNpDw	02:06
CIA-70	webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r656c14c / (3 files in 3 dirs): Consider search fields when doing search in a Thingy normally, or via Ajax. Fixes bug #12117. - http://bit.ly/fRMoUt	02:07
+perlDreamer	preaction: Requesting permission to hate on the EMS, sir!	02:08
@preaction	permission granted, cadet!	02:10
@preaction	so you're the one adding that stuff to the address book then?	02:10
+perlDreamer	sir, no sir!	02:11
+perlDreamer	Just fixing bugs, sir	02:11
@preaction	mais oui	02:11
@preaction	i should mention that WebGUI 8 is so close to usable it's making me giddy with anticipation	02:14
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CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf0cd4eb / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Collaboration.pm : add unarchiveall asset helper for collabs - http://bit.ly/gxqz7q	02:31
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r9939e91 / www/extras/admin/admin.js :	02:35
CIA-70	webgui: remove useless scope setting	02:35
CIA-70	webgui: getHelperHandler already provides a function bound to the	02:35
CIA-70	webgui: correct scope - http://bit.ly/ereWrL	02:35
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@preaction	accomplished doug is accomplished	03:10
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@pbcj	can I redirect input using system() ?	04:14
@pbcj	and what is this notation about: system {'mysql'} 'mysql', @command_line	04:14
@pbcj	attempted to tack on "< myfile" to the args, is not working	04:15
@pbcj	bah	04:18
@pbcj	exec has the explaination on the notation, and I just solved it by preconcatenating, not what I wanted, but it will work	04:18
scrottie0	meh?	04:19
scrottie0	I'm not sure what you're trying to do with system {'mysql'} 'mysql', @command_line	04:20
scrottie0	but perhaps you want IPC::Open2 or IPC::Open3	04:20
@pbcj	I'm trying to run mysql	04:20
@pbcj	with a script file	04:20
@pbcj	my @command_line = ( $db->command_line( "< $tempFile" ) );	04:20
@pbcj	my $call = "mysql " . join q/ / => @command_line ;	04:20
@pbcj	system $call;	04:20
scrottie0	is there a reason you're not using DBI...?	04:20
@pbcj	no	04:20
@pbcj	just wanted to quick and dirty run a command, from wgdev	04:21
@pbcj	and I'm no versed yet, so I just look for something close and abuse it to serve my immediate needs	04:22
@pbcj	none the less	04:22
scrottie0	hmm. well, two cents, DBI is going to be easier than using IPC::Open2 to read data from mysql. if nothing else, buffering on pipes is bitchy. it's easy to deadlock and it requires heuristics to do bidirectional communication or even figure out when you've read all of the output.	04:22
@pbcj	wgd god-me is now part of my toolkit	04:22
scrottie0	unless the command exits after writing output, that is.	04:23
@pbcj	oh no worries about that	04:23
@pbcj	I just don't like tracking down admin passwords for various sites, or typing everything I have to in order to become god, and I'm adding commands to wgd so I threw it in	04:24
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scrottie0	if you're trying to do a "terminal" like thing where either the user or mysql can generate data at any moment, you'd need to create a select() based loop (man select, perldoc -f select) or else fork().	04:24
@pbcj	no no	04:24
scrottie0	oh, heh, did you want to exec() over to mysql instead?	04:24
@pbcj	indeed, with stdin redirection, and the "safe" notation of the function: "system" is a bitch	04:26
@preaction	pbcj: wgd db < myfile.sql	04:31
scrottie0	I read a legand of an old Honeywell computer system that had no IPC other than files.	04:34
@preaction	isn't that Unix?	04:35
@pbcj	lol	04:35
@preaction	everything is a stream of characters	04:35
@pbcj	I wanted to make it a wgd command, dammit	04:35
@pbcj	and I did	04:35
@pbcj	I also am adding wgd rm	04:35
@pbcj	so now you can hose your install with: wgd rm -rf root	04:36
scrottie0	if it weren't for POSIX threads, essentially, and honestly, I'm not sure POSIX threads are an improvement.	04:36
@preaction	sorry, everything is a stream of bytes	04:36
scrottie0	except for kill -STOP.	04:36
scrottie0	and shmget.	04:37
scrottie0	even Multics wins here. shared libraries could allocate their own memory apart from any app using it and access it regardless of which app is calling into the library... sort of like a daemon with an ABI.	04:38
scrottie0	that would make database client libraries a lot faster. all of this serializing and deserializing kills.	04:39
@preaction	that would be nice	04:39
@pbcj	well I came up with a clever way of doing a 8 way diff on an asset tree	04:44
@pbcj	now I need to come up with a clever way to merge all this shit	04:44
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@pbcj	I made new commands for wgd	04:45
* pbcj needs a cookie		04:46
* pbcj will settle for a beer		04:46
scrottie0	mmm, beer.	04:54
scrottie0	8 way diff on an asset tree?	04:55
@pbcj	8 asset trees	04:57
scrottie0	why?	04:57
@pbcj	all came from one and have diverged such that deploying my package doesn't work as planned	04:58
scrottie0	sounds both terrible and awesome. like Gengis Khan.	04:59
@pbcj	is it possible to delete packages from the interface	05:16
@pbcj	UI	05:16
@pbcj	I think packages should live in a root level folder named "packages"	05:16
@preaction	if you uncheck the package box, it is no longer a package	05:17
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fallout	mornin	17:25
+BartJol	howdy	17:27
@pbcj	sup	17:45
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fallout	nada. how you doin?	18:29
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@pbcj	not bad at all... it might be a riding day	19:31
fallout	right on. it's still a wee bit chilly for that	19:48
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@pbcj	yeah, upon closer inspection, it is not a riding day. I want a refund on Spring.	19:55
fallout	mail in your rebate form with the UPC from the box and a copy of the invoice	20:04
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scrottie0	nothing wool, leather and a propane torch can't fix.	21:31
@preaction	Haarg: if you're around, were you planning on having WebGUI::Command handle the config file options? or should that be added individually to all commands that need it?	21:56
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+perlDreamer	Free advice	23:37
+perlDreamer	if you use snippets in your style templates	23:37
* preaction gets out his wallet		23:37
+perlDreamer	and those snippets have macros in them	23:37
+perlDreamer	then disable caching on the snippet	23:37
+perlDreamer	it will save you headaches, high blood pressure and stomach acid	23:38
@preaction	yes indeed	23:38
@preaction	in fact, maybe AssetProxy should set a flag that snippet could pick up on?	23:38
@preaction	oh, no, sometimes you do want caching	23:38
@preaction	hm...	23:38
+perlDreamer	I thought about examining the snippet content to autodisable if we have macros	23:45
+perlDreamer	or, if the snippet is set to be evaluated as a template	23:45
+perlDreamer	but those break the case of caching expensive navigations	23:46
@preaction	right	23:56
@preaction	most likely we should just have an info-level message "using cached" or something	23:57
--- Day changed Fri Apr 22 2011
scrottie0	1. bolt invariant folding onto perl 2. remove all caching from everywhere	00:13
scrottie0	3. party	00:13
scrottie0	Pugs' compiling Perl 6 down to JavaScript is looking like a more and more brilliant idea every year that goes by since Pugs was abandoned	00:14
scrottie0	anyone know of an X app that logs how much time the cursor spends over other apps?	00:17
scrottie0	I've seen things like that for Windows but can't seem to Google down something for X	00:17
@pbcj	scrottie!	00:33
scrottie0	pbcj!	00:34
+perlDreamer	scrottie0: what do you recommend for I/O redirection problems?	00:58
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scrottie0	problems? or tasks?	01:38
scrottie0	fork, close STDIN, re-open it, exec, of course!	01:38
* scrottie0 checks his calendar... 1991... good...		01:39
+perlDreamer	scrottie0: digestion based	01:41
@preaction	what is the article "Item" template for?	02:52
@preaction	oh, now i see, it's for URL lists	02:53
CIA-70	webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8d527d1 / lib/WebGUI/Command/test_content.pm : start the test_content webgui command with Articles - http://bit.ly/hzPxxz	03:02
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