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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbb655e2 / (t/Form/TimeField.t t/Form/TimeField.pm): Rename the test to be a test. - http://bit.ly/eLpsAH | 00:59 |
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| * perlDreamer takes the kids for piano lessons | 00:59 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 00:59 |
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| elnino | just popping my head in. Hi. | 01:02 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r99f613b / t/Form/TimeField.t : Update test for CSRF token. - http://bit.ly/flSO26 | 05:24 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7091ced / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Add the column headers back to the CSV file exported from a Thing. Fixes bug #12062. - http://bit.ly/eRnznJ | 05:24 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re419e7f / (t/Form/TimeField.t t/Form/TimeField.pm): Rename the test to be a test. - http://bit.ly/fz3EwN | 05:25 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r747cb10 / t/Form/TimeField.t : Update test for CSRF token. - http://bit.ly/elkpv8 | 05:25 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r0e3e47d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Add the column headers back to the CSV file exported from a Thing. Fixes bug #12062. - http://bit.ly/dUvwwg | 05:25 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79ab978 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix the URL to the user after exporting a Thing in CSV format. The URL needs to contain the thingId to see non-default things. Fixes bug #12063 - http://bit.ly/ewLniq | 06:34 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r1088665 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix the URL to the user after exporting a Thing in CSV format. The URL needs to contain the thingId to see non-default things. Fixes bug #12063 - http://bit.ly/fVnvhZ | 06:35 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rde6cf58 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 06:44 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Fix the Time field. Provide a getValueAsHtml method. Use it when displaying | 06:44 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: the form, so that the JS works correctly in displaying values. Fixes bug #12054 | 06:44 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: and works swell in the Thingy. The Thingy is my favorite asset now. - | 06:44 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: http://bit.ly/emj1YD | 06:44 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rf12f282 / (3 files in 3 dirs): | 06:46 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Fix the Time field. Provide a getValueAsHtml method. Use it when displaying | 06:46 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: the form, so that the JS works correctly in displaying values. Fixes bug #12054 | 06:46 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: and works swell in the Thingy. The Thingy is my favorite asset now. - | 06:46 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: http://bit.ly/eg3kHf | 06:46 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r07207b3 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.23 release. - http://bit.ly/fSgVqU | 07:15 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r78d6161 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.24 development. - http://bit.ly/eynu5H | 07:44 |
| @preaction | if anyone sees khenn again, i've got a WRE that will work for him | 07:44 |
| @preaction | OS X was choking on the shared libs the WRE was providing | 07:45 |
| @preaction | so i had to statically link imagemagick and remove the shared libs. this might actually help the WRE remain unobtrusive, if we statically link everything that we can | 07:45 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 17:01 |
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| CIA-98 | wrebuild: Doug Bell master * rbc7cb39 / build.sh : | 00:11 |
| CIA-98 | wrebuild: disable shared ImageMagick prereqs to fix OSX 10.6 | 00:11 |
| CIA-98 | wrebuild: Problem is in dyld finding the wrong versions trying to load an | 00:11 |
| CIA-98 | wrebuild: OS X native library (ImageIO) - http://bit.ly/gtXcYD | 00:11 |
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| KlausH | Hi, | 00:52 |
| KlausH | I have a problem/question with i18n in an older WebGUI version, it's 7.2.2 | 00:52 |
| KlausH | (yes, I should upgrade...) | 00:53 |
| KlausH | In calendar the character encoding of the months is not correct. the site uses utf8, but the umlaut in March(März) is encoded in Windows-1252 I think. | 00:53 |
| KlausH | Where can I find the internationalized names of the month in the calendar asset? | 00:53 |
| KlausH | in i18n/German/Datetime.pm I've changed the entry - but with no effect. Any other places where the wrong month can come from? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | it most likely comes from perl's DateTime module based on the i18n/German/Asset_Calendar.pm locale entry | 00:54 |
| @preaction | wait, 7.2.2 has the old calendar | 00:54 |
| @preaction | i dunno | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be coming directly from the CPAN module used for dates | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | we used to do that, pull i18n data out of the module | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | it was... | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | Date::Manip? | 00:56 |
| * sbaur is amazed someone is using an older version than I am | 00:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | on the forums, not too long ago, some asked a WebGUI 5 question | 00:58 |
| KlausH | in WebGUI 7.2.2 it's Asset_EventsCalendar.pm and that has no locale entry :-( | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | according to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/EventsCalendar.pm | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | line 442 | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the monthName comes from $session->datetime | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | my ($year, $monthName) = split(' ', $dt->epochToHuman($month, '%y %c')); | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and monthName comes from the DateTime module | 01:07 |
| KlausH | I'm just trying to change /data/wre/prereqs/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.8/DateTime/Locale/de.pm and de_DE.pm | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that DateTime is locale sensitive by default, or it's picking up a locale when an object is created | 01:07 |
| KlausH | Great! Thank you! Done. DateTime/Locale/de.p changed - problem solved. | 01:13 |
| KlausH | @sbaur: never change a running system :-) | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | tell that to someone with small children ;) | 01:24 |
| @preaction | i think AssetHelpers now need to be able to return a WebGUI::Fork ID from process() | 01:30 |
| @preaction | then we could poll that fork for progress, but we could also simply hide the whole thing and the user could continue on their merry way | 01:31 |
| @preaction | like you can minimize a copy window on your OS, you don't have to watch it as it completes | 01:31 |
| @preaction | and then i can get rid of copyInFork cutInFork and those InFork functions from the Asset, putting them in the Helper instead | 01:32 |
| @preaction | and also be more flexible about how i show progress of these tasks. right now our ProgressBar requires that I show it in an iframe or some other page it has control over | 01:32 |
| @preaction | ProgressBar is obsolete now that we have Fork | 01:33 |
| @preaction | well, and because Fork has its own way of determining % of the task that is done | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you want to do something in a script, it has to fork? | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or is it something you request? | 01:38 |
| @preaction | it'd be something you request, in the case of certain asset helpers, they have to fork, so you would return the fork ID from process() and then the Admin Console would poll that fork for progress until it finished | 01:39 |
| @preaction | the idea here is that if you need a ProgressBar for a long-running task, you don't want it to die. but you can still kill a task like that, by closing the http connection forcefully. Fork gets around that, but not caring if http is involved at all | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure I was really clear, let me try again | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if I want to write a test that calls cut, it has to talk to the Fork to make sure that Fork is finished before it continues with the test? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | or, some utility script? | 01:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I can't think of any asset helper operation that would matter to a script, instead of a web plugin | 01:41 |
| @preaction | no, just AssetHelper::Cut | 01:41 |
| @preaction | Asset->cut() doesn't care | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, cool | 01:41 |
| @preaction | and we already have WebGUI::Test->waitforallforks | 01:41 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf683195 / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm www/extras/admin/admin.js): start on Tree buttons to call Asset Helpers - http://bit.ly/f0Jlin | 03:17 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r7a8c9bb / docs/migration.txt : reformat and rearrange migration docs - http://bit.ly/f5TtO7 | 03:17 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdcfce60 / (14 files in 5 dirs): Change class => className where func=add. - http://bit.ly/hHx7xh | 04:45 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:36 |
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| CIA-98 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rba7788c / lib/WGDev/Command/Export/Branch.pm : fix -t/--to option on export-branch - http://bit.ly/g8RFaT | 21:46 |
| @pbcj | So far I'm excellent at finding, um... "suppressed features" | 21:50 |
| @preaction | sshhhh, they're not supposed to know they're features. they might get big heads | 21:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | if CSS files are best served as static files out of /extras, how does the CSS itself call something from /extras, when it's programmable in the WebGUI config file? | 22:29 |
| @preaction | relative paths | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | brilliant | 22:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I updated the templates best practice page with that info, and how to handle getting extras in javascript | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | should we start a CSS/JS best practices page | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | with that stuff, and new things as we come across them? | 22:50 |
| @preaction | a Best Practices page in general would be nice, yes | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | one best practices category coming right up! | 22:57 |
| @preaction | we might want to start a discussion on the dev list about making sure everything is in there too maybe | 23:02 |
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| xdanger | so whats with the mysql 5.5? DBD::mysql doesn't build, create.sql doesn't import (error in : 'TYPE=MyISAM CHARSET=utf8' at line 14) | 00:34 |
| xdanger | I haven't followed their progress | 00:34 |
| scrottie0 | no idea, but http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/introduction-to-mysql-55.html suggests that MyISAM is essentially gone | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought that said that InnoDB is the new default | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | not that MyISAM is gone | 00:45 |
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| scrottie0 | the wording about getting rid of plugins is what I took as implying that | 00:53 |
| xdanger | why don't we just move to drizzle =) | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd have to ask the architect about that one, xdanger | 00:55 |
| scrottie0 | I would love to see a core that was database agnostic and didn't require a relational database even though most of the assets would. | 00:55 |
| xdanger | I imported wg8 db in drizzle and it worked =) | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be nice to do devel in SQLite | 00:56 |
| @preaction | i've heard good things about Percona | 00:57 |
| xdanger | goddammit! I installed 5.5.9 on my mac, and now 5.1.55 won't install becousa it thinks I have a newer version... | 00:57 |
| @preaction | i would also prefer to see something more agnostic so that it doesn't matter what the better db is | 00:58 |
| xdanger | postgresql \o/ | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, it only takes someone auditing every piece of code that we've written, and it can happen | 01:00 |
| @preaction | why couldn't we just run the tests using a sqlite dsn? and/or a pg dsn? | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't assume that the tests cover everything | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | especially relating to user profile fields | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Admin console functions | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | asset www methods | 01:01 |
| @preaction | nor would I, but it would be a start | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Shop | 01:01 |
| xdanger | how much would you think that there is "mysqlism" in the sql used in wg? | 01:02 |
| @preaction | those are better covered by the 8 test suite too | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | true dat | 01:02 |
| @preaction | Thingy probably not. User Profile and Auth and such though | 01:02 |
| @preaction | xdanger: honestly? probably not that much. maybe some of the fancy joins we're doing might need changing | 01:03 |
| xdanger | O just remembered.. Did I do the rfe about returnUrl for thingy? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | returnUrl? | 01:03 |
| xdanger | so you could build a sqlreport and have a edit link in it to thingy and after www_save it returned to the sqlreport | 01:04 |
| xdanger | I did it already for my client | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | why would you use a sqlreport for reporting instead of the Thingy view? | 01:05 |
| xdanger | maybe a join, or some custom stuff | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | makes sense | 01:05 |
| xdanger | and thingy view isn't that pretty | 01:05 |
| xdanger | and since much of the "other editing" is done in the site where the data is, I build it there | 01:06 |
| xdanger | ok, the secret to uninstall mysql 5.5 is: sudo rm /var/db/receipts/com.mysql.mysql.* | 01:14 |
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| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re7e8cd4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix the currentUrl used by the thingy for making URLs with action, like pagination and sorting, in the search screen. Fixes bug #12055. - http://bit.ly/etaZqR | 02:42 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r16b9839 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Fix the currentUrl used by the thingy for making URLs with action, like pagination and sorting, in the search screen. Fixes bug #12055. - http://bit.ly/h8ZVsK | 02:42 |
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| @preaction | 2011/03/02 20:25:22 - ERROR - localhost.conf - WebGUI::handle[155] - WebGUI::Asset:1831 - SCALAR(0x2de34c0) is not of type SCALAR at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.1/namespace/clean.pm line 56, <DATA> line 1. <- anyone got this running 8? | 04:26 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, today we try again | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | the noble goal has not been forgotten | 18:06 |
| +bartjol | ah, the svn of the i18n server? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | or rewriting WebGUI in php? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, that's the ignoble goal | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | rewriting WebGUI in PHP is like filling your pillow full of cow poo | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, it's all nice and soft but it's stinky | 18:08 |
| +bartjol | so if you have a terrible cold, it is acceptable | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | terrible cold and no wife/girlfriend | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | mmm, that would be an option for me atm | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be better to get a wife/girlfriend | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | have you filled out the correct paperwork? | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | oh, it is just an application/order form? | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | In The Netherlands, I figured it would be next to the papework for new houses | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | Thought it had something to do with seduction and buying useless stuff for a woman | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | and dinners | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | you can buy useful stuff, too | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | aha, but where are the form downloads? | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | now see, if The Hague used WebGUI I could answer that question | 18:21 |
| * SDuensin is highly amused at this thread | 18:22 | |
| xdanger | o joy... I just looked a little into converting to postgresql friendly sql... we would have to write about every query since we use camelCase... in pg userSession = usersession in the database, you have to use "userSession" in every query for the table and columns... | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | the hague? what has Sarah been telling you? | 18:22 |
| SDuensin | xdanger, no way to override that? | 18:22 |
| xdanger | none that I have found | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | well there is a perl module that automatically does that I believe | 18:23 |
| xdanger | http://sql-info.de/postgresql/postgres-gotchas.html#1_2 | 18:26 |
| +bartjol | ah, I understand better now | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | pretty yucky, xdanger | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | mmm, like join("\" \"", split ($SQL), but that won't do either | 18:29 |
| +bartjol | and the split should split on spaces | 18:30 |
| +bartjol | procolix@host:/data/wre/etc$ grep -R select /data/WebGUI |wc -l | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | 14385 | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | and that is only select | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | !!!!!!!! | 18:31 |
| SDuensin | 14835?! | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, no coumns | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | no joins | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | procolix@host297:/data/wre/etc$ grep -R SELECT /data/WebGUI |wc -l | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | 1044 | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | procolix@host297:/data/wre/etc$ grep -Ri update /data/WebGUI |wc -l | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | 44327 | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol: grep -Ri select /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | ok, only lib should be done, And I know that I can search for case insensitive strings, just forgot the first time | 18:33 |
| xdanger | but if you put select "assetId" it won't work in mysql =) | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | joy | 18:33 |
| xdanger | learned something new today :) | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | and for the perl itself, it won't be necessary either | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | would select `assetId` do the right thing in Postgres? | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | this works pretty good: http://www.americancorner.org.tw/en/resource.html | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | uh | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | ack -i '\b(?:select|update)\b' . | wc -l | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | don't use posgresql for wegbui? | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | uuuh, I don't understand your link | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | are you making fun of my english? | 18:36 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: doesn't work | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | the link was a bad paste | 18:36 |
| +perlDreamer | there's really no way to build a simple SQL query that works in both MySQL and PostgreSQL? | 18:37 |
| xdanger | if you use lowercase =) | 18:37 |
| xdanger | but then we'd have to change the case in the hash variables also | 18:37 |
| xdanger | and that's about everywhere =) | 18:38 |
| xdanger | There has to be someone who has solved this problem | 18:38 |
| * perlDreamer waits for frodwith to wake up | 18:39 | |
| +bartjol | well, postgresql was supported in 4 and maybe 5 I belive | 18:39 |
| xdanger | yeah.. the solution is "use ORM" =) | 18:40 |
| xdanger | was wg5s tables in lowercase | 18:40 |
| +bartjol | dunno, maybe we still have an instance | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, you can grab a copy of WebGUI 5 from git | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks to Haarg's awesome translation effort | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | nope | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | camecase it is | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | in 5.5.4 | 18:42 |
| @scrottie | hrm? most queries should work on MySQL and Postgres. there's some module on CPAN that attempts translations in other cases... where is that... | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | xdanger, maybe we're okay as long as there aren't columns and table names in both cases? | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so that if we don't have Asset and asset, it's okay? | 18:44 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: I was wondering about the cases where you dump a sql to a has and map that to something in perl | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | http://sqlfairy.sourceforge.net/ | 18:45 |
| xdanger | s/has/hash/ | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | If you can put it into PostgresQL and the test suite passes, there's a pretty good chance that it's okay | 18:45 |
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| @scrottie | more tests could be written too if coverage isn't felt to be adequate. | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | more tests! | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I like the sound of that | 18:47 |
| @scrottie | anyway, I'm trying to figure out how to reduce the overhead of using a database as a backing store. DBIx would increase it. regardless of how nice that is for developers, it sucks for users. | 18:47 |
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| @scrottie | back to whipping old horses. sorry. | 18:49 |
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| @scrottie | mutt's pager likes to put +'s before continued lines. this damages URLs and interferes with pasting. anyone know how to turn that off? | 18:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | haven't used mutt in 3 years | 18:57 |
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| scrottie0 | aha. quick rtfm: set markers=no | 19:01 |
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| xdanger | ou, this just keeps getting better... in some functions DBD::Pg automaticly quotes the table names... so it didn't matter that I converted the db to lowercase | 19:59 |
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| @preaction | I just stumbled across an asset i wrote that clocks in at over 4500 lines | 22:17 |
| @preaction | and we just got a contract to make it even BIGGER! yay! | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Is it the Calendar? | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not in the core | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing in core is that big | 22:24 |
| @preaction | it's not in core, no | 22:27 |
| @preaction | to be fair, the app has an ORM and a messload of different formatting and printing options inside of it, but it could be broken up into about 5 different assets and an ORM-based set of classes | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, instead of having dozens of i18n objects for Forms, and applications and stuff, couldn't register a global one and have each sub-app register what namespaces and items it wants? | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | just 1 ajax request instead of lots? | 22:37 |
| @preaction | it'd still end up being a few ajax requests, but a global WebGUI.i18n object is a good idea | 22:37 |
| @preaction | well, wg.i18n or something, WebGUI.i18n being the object constructor | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try to draw up an idea and post it to the RFE board for approval or smiting | 22:38 |
| @preaction | wg.asset is the current asset, wg.session holds session stuff, etc... | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | in 8 | 22:39 |
| @preaction | no, just in my head | 22:39 |
| * perlDreamer sharpens his axe and considers a better look at all this hidden knowledge | 22:39 | |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to go get some lunch | 22:39 |
| xdanger | ou, this just keeps getting better... in some functions DBD::Pg automaticly quotes the table names... so it didn't matter that I converted the db to lowercase | 22:59 |
| xdanger | I give up =) | 22:59 |
| scrottie0 | why did you convert the database to lowercase? that sounds like a bad idea. | 23:00 |
| xdanger | because if in psql you do select * from userSession it looks for a table called usersession, not userSession | 23:43 |
| xdanger | I just can't think why =) | 23:44 |
| xdanger | O found a solution... tweak the posgresql source in scan.l file... that's nice, but not very useful for deployment | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm about ready to try some things with the SVN server | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll do them around 5:00pm CST | 00:13 |
| +perlDreamer | plainblack.com and webgui.org may be up and down a bit | 00:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, unless preaction and Haarg say no | 00:14 |
| @preaction | go ahead | 00:14 |
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| Baub | hello | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, Baub | 00:17 |
| Baub | for what it's worth i figured i'd come in here and confuse everyone | 00:17 |
| Baub | i'm trying to install webgui on gentoo | 00:18 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: root master * rd72d369 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Removed the ugly time setting pop-up and replaced it with clean JS. Fixes bug #12061 - http://bit.ly/e0Ty6z | 00:18 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Chris Hanson master * rd1531da / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): | 00:18 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git://github.com/plainblack/webgui | 00:18 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Conflicts: | 00:18 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/hzKFoH | 00:18 |
| xdanger | yeah, every oss system that has the ability to use postgres and mysql as db, that I quickly looked at uses lowercase table & column names | 00:19 |
| xdanger | Baub: good luck with that ;) | 00:20 |
| Baub | i get this: | 00:20 |
| Baub | emerge : there are no ebuilds to satisfy ">=dev-perl/IO-Zlib-1.01" | 00:20 |
| xdanger | I have no knowledge of gentoo, but you might try to install directly from cpan | 00:21 |
| xdanger | the IO::Zlib I mean, not the whole webgui | 00:22 |
| @preaction | er... there's an emerge WebGUI? | 00:22 |
| Baub | yea you have to use layman to find it | 00:23 |
| @preaction | what version do they have? you might be far better off with a source install or a WRE | 00:24 |
| Baub | 7.4.15 | 00:24 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's a couple years old | 00:25 |
| Baub | oic, hrmm... | 00:26 |
| * Baub looks, 'oh you're on 7.9 now | 00:27 | |
| @preaction | nearing 8.0 yeah | 00:27 |
| Baub | ok, i do have another 'soon to be turned into a' box. It's pretty much going to only do webgui, and a browser. Any suggestions on distro to use? | 00:30 |
| Baub | ^linux box | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | ubuntu | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | centos | 00:31 |
| @pbcj | made my first commit.. fingers crossed | 00:31 |
| xdanger | which is going to be awesome... 8.0 I mean | 00:31 |
| @preaction | plain black uses the latest centos mostly | 00:31 |
| xdanger | debian =) | 00:31 |
| xdanger | ok, if it's a desktop then ubuntu | 00:32 |
| xdanger | you can just apt-get install webgui =) | 00:32 |
| Baub | well that's 2 votes for ubuntu | 00:35 |
| Baub | think i'll just do that, and keep my gentoo box for a toy | 00:35 |
| xdanger | use what you know, install the prebuild wre (webgui running enviroment) it includes the software needed to run webgui | 00:37 |
| Baub | tnx :) | 00:38 |
| xdanger | you might need to update the perl modules, but the testEnviroment.pl does that for you | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | well, so much for that idea... | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | time to start reading the SVN book on how to setup apache with svn | 01:05 |
| @scrottie | slackware. | 02:09 |
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| Baub | ubuntu and mint appear to have version 7.7.30 while debian has 7.9.21 | 02:44 |
| @scrottie | I give the WRE good odds of running WebGUI on your Gentoo box. | 02:54 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r675dfec / lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm : Add i18n requirements for the TimeField, so it works if used without other plugins requiring them. - http://bit.ly/fH50Ap | 02:56 |
| @preaction | if i want to update an asset via a JSON service, should I create a tag, create a revision, and do autocommit if that's all enabled? | 03:01 |
| @preaction | or should I just update() unless the developer asks for a revision and/or a tag? | 03:02 |
| +perlDreamer | is this in 7 or 8? | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in 7, I think it should work exactly like www_editSave | 03:07 |
| +perlDreamer | in 8, well, you'd know that better than I do | 03:07 |
| @preaction | it's in 8, but still | 03:09 |
| @scrottie | update unless developer asks for a revision and/or tag. | 03:19 |
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| @preaction | sounds good | 03:21 |
| @preaction | and i don't even have to do that being able to ask for revision/tag yet, yay! | 03:22 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r399aa53 / (lib/WebGUI/Fork.pm lib/WebGUI/Fork/ProgressTree.pm): update docs on Fork - http://bit.ly/fba9AJ | 03:29 |
| CIA-98 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb27bc19 / (14 files in 4 dirs): Tree view buttons now work. Changed progress bar helpers to use fork. Added forkId option to AssetHelpers. Added updateAsset service to Admin. - http://bit.ly/hHtLuM | 03:29 |
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| preaction | Here's a question nobody is awake enough to answer: If we build a JS API around Asset, does that make one more or less inclined to use Asset as the ORM? | 09:32 |
| preaction | though we could just embrace an orm and build the JS api around that... | 09:32 |
| @scrottie | good question. | 10:05 |
| @scrottie | storing data in a tree view, filtering through children, and moving things around is a powerful idiom. being able to kick out new assets easily could make this more powerful. there could be a meta-asset that stores its definition in one table and creates logical subclasses of itself on the fly based on definitions in there. | 10:10 |
| @scrottie | then people could use assets as arbitrary sorts of records with built in CRUD. | 10:11 |
| @scrottie | I'm trying to figure out how to bridge the gap to collateral data. | 10:11 |
| @scrottie | some of the Asset methods let you join against other tables but in a limited fashion. | 10:12 |
| @scrottie | moving to a one id in place of (assetId, revisionDate) would help matters there immensely. | 10:12 |
| @scrottie | asset being its own ORM leaves the door open for nosql databases, lazy writes back to the database, handlersocket, and other cool stuff. banging the database 300 times in a hit is a direction we need to reverse from, not try really hard not to creep further down. that's not adequate. | 10:15 |
| @scrottie | my goal is to get a Coro friendly forks.pm going, get WebGUI8 running on the Corona Plack server, and institute a cross-process global object cache with lazy database writes. | 10:17 |
| @scrottie | built on top of the threads API plus multiple concurrent requests per process. | 10:18 |
| @scrottie | needless to say, DBIx::Class gets in the way of this plan. | 10:19 |
| @scrottie | easier than hacking up forks would be doing local RPC to keep each object in memory once. | 10:20 |
| @scrottie | 100 processes each with the same 1/1000th of the database doesn't do much to accomplish the ideal of having the database in RAM. | 10:20 |
| @scrottie | er, 1/1000th of the database cached | 10:20 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:31 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol: not good svn news | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | newest SVN requires a newer version of SQLite than is available on the servers | 17:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and I can't use the existing SVN binaries for CentOS | 17:49 |
| xdanger | what are you using the svn for? | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | the translations are still in svn | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm thinking that we should move it to git and call it good | 18:02 |
| xdanger | =) | 18:02 |
| Haarg | i've tried to update the translation server to git a couple times but i end up hating the code too much to keep using it | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, for sake of expediency, I'm thinking of just doing a direct import and update | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | suck the whole translation thing into git as 1 repo | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and then instead of using svn command lines, use git | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | once it's in git, then we can make it awesome sometime later | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's important to get that thing back up and running | 18:03 |
| xdanger | but git is awesome ;) | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I can tell, perl interfaces to git are not awesome | 18:04 |
| xdanger | noticed that too | 18:04 |
| xdanger | I'm starting in a 12year old project next monday that still host in cvs and runs on cgi-bin | 18:05 |
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| xdanger | I'm afraid =) I want to move them to git, plack, tempates, moose, etc... | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | webgui? :) | 18:06 |
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| xdanger | we'll see =) | 18:09 |
| xdanger | it's a system for administrating a school, includes forums, calendars, etc. A big intranet kinda | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds exactly like WebGUI | 18:11 |
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| xdanger | I know, but I don't yet know what other functionality there is in it... And they only have limited hour for me to work on it | 18:14 |
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| +bartjol | oh | 18:20 |
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| Baub | ok after debian failed, i got mint installed | 18:31 |
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| Baub | and installing webgui from the software manager | 18:34 |
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| knoppix_ | not familiar with "mint". at least I'm not sure I am. MiNT was a Unix-like system for Atari ST computers. | 19:01 |
| knoppix_ | xchat, you suck. | 19:01 |
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| xdanger | it's a ubuntu fork | 19:01 |
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| Baub | ok help me out | 19:14 |
| Baub | it did webgui install from the software manager | 19:14 |
| Baub | now i'm sure there's some startup scripts and other setup stuff i should be running | 19:15 |
| Baub | where might i find out what i am supposed to be doing? | 19:15 |
| xdanger | if it's based on the debian/ubuntu package... you have /etc/init.d/webgui and apache2, but before that you have to add a site | 19:16 |
| xdanger | read /usr/share/doc/webgui/README.Debian.gz | 19:20 |
| xdanger | or something like that | 19:21 |
| xdanger | hehe, I'm on a bus, building wre... That eats the battery quick =) | 19:26 |
| Baub | tnx xdanger, i'll try that as soon as it starts responding again | 19:27 |
| @frodwith | sort of annoying that testEnvironment wants you to be root | 19:35 |
| @frodwith | in order to install any modules | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, I use --simpleReport and install stuff by hand with cpan | 19:36 |
| @frodwith | thanks perlDreamer, didn't know about simpleReport | 19:36 |
| @frodwith | perl testEnvironment.pl | grep 'Not installed' | sed 's/Checking for module //' | awk '{ print $1 }' | sed 's/:$//' | xargs cpanm | 19:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlTestenvironment.pl | perl -lane '$F[3] =~ tr/://d; print $F[3];' | xargs cpanm ? | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | whups | 19:38 |
| @frodwith | my one-liner fu is weak | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | perlTestenvironment.pl | perl -lane 'if (/Not installed/){$F[3] =~ tr/://d; print $F[3];}' | xargs cpanm ? | 19:39 |
| @frodwith | i don't know what the pretty flags do | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | -e is eval this stuff | 19:39 |
| @frodwith | always have to look it up | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:39 |
| @frodwith | e I know :) | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I used to do lots of 1-liners for hacking netlists and harnesses | 19:40 |
| @frodwith | what's l? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | -l means "handle Line endings" | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | automatically strips $/ and puts it back on anything that's printed | 19:40 |
| @frodwith | so like... auto-chomp? | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, with auto-append for printing | 19:40 |
| @frodwith | ah! nice :) | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I memorize phrases, if that helps | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | -lne is a filter | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | -lpe is a modifying filter | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | -lane is like cut | 19:41 |
| @frodwith | cut? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that awk line does the same thing as the unix command cut | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | cut cuts arbitrarily delimited columns | 19:42 |
| @frodwith | *squints at it* | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, not my best writing there | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | "cut" will cut arbitrarily delimited columns | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | man cut | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | info cut | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I never remember the syntax for cut, so I use perl instead | 19:45 |
| @frodwith | yeah i'm reading the man page | 19:45 |
| @frodwith | that's what I'm squinting at | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | just came across a nasty HTML export bug | 19:45 |
| @frodwith | do share | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | is you call macros inside of snippets which are asset proxied into a style, and you export | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks like $session->asset is not set correctly | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | or some kind of odd caching is happening | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | 'nothing Thingy bug, too | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | Thingy uses www_export for exporting CSV | 19:47 |
| @frodwith | $session->asset is set right at the beginning of the export process iirc | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, that's what's odd about it | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | and it works inconsistently | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | not every page is wrong | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll work up a package that I can attach to a bug report to make it easy to duplicate | 19:50 |
| @frodwith | cut seems to suck at complicated field delimiters | 19:50 |
| @frodwith | at least on my system | 19:50 |
| @frodwith | anything other than single characters is a no | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that's why I use perl :) | 19:51 |
| @frodwith | if I can remember these handy flags | 19:59 |
| @frodwith | my big old sed/awk/grep mishmashes from hell will get a lot tidier | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | dang it! | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | now I can't duplicate the problem any longer | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | so maybe I was mistaken in the first place | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's also past time for cleaning up the export content of the RSS AssetAspect | 20:06 |
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| @pbcj | why doesn't webgui do housework? it does everything else! new feature for wg8.... | 20:01 |
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| Getty | its like a good wife, if you want the housework done, she gets a headache | 21:49 |
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| scrottie0 | 9:07 Monday morning, the cell phone starts ringing. | 18:11 |
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| scrottie0 | we need to hire a PC desktop support specialist and project managers. lots and lots of project managers. | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | project managers cost money | 18:31 |
| scrottie0 | sir perlDreamer, MotO =) | 18:32 |
| * scrottie0 resists remarks about how much or little he costs =) | 18:32 | |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie0 is worth every penny he's paid | 18:33 |
| scrottie0 | shucks | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | and he rocks the 'hawk | 18:33 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8a527f8 / lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm : Fix sytax errors in the new TimeField code. - http://bit.ly/g2l74A | 18:36 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2c0334d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Thingy asset collateral import does not need to check for existance of the asset. If the asset doesn't exist, package import will create it or it will die. Fixes bug #12060. - http://bit.ly/i1VNBz | 18:36 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r25d6f4a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Thingy asset collateral import does not need to check for existance of the asset. If the asset doesn't exist, package import will create it or it will die. Fixes bug #12060. - http://bit.ly/elRPt2 | 18:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm an idiot | 18:39 |
| scrottie0 | making mistakes is a necessary but not sufficient condition of being an idiot. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | what else must I do to be an idiot, scrottie0? | 18:49 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rab20d1d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): | 18:50 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Revert "Thingy asset collateral import does not need to check for existance of the asset. If the asset doesn't exist, package import will create it or it will die. Fixes bug #12060." | 18:50 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: This reverts commit 25d6f4a53735584a25a5fe7916f2e70736a59ce6. - http://bit.ly/eSSxw2 | 18:50 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r78d27ad / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): | 18:51 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Revert "Thingy asset collateral import does not need to check for existance of the asset. If the asset doesn't exist, package import will create it or it will die. Fixes bug #12060." | 18:51 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: This reverts commit 2c0334d709faf51ab65d29add6c554ae333be459. - http://bit.ly/igWXPt | 18:51 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, how do I get an optional limit in a buildArray statement, something like $db->buildArray($sql,[$param1,{limit=>$limit}) (allthough this fails off course | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | stick it into the SQL | 19:13 |
| @scrottie | $db->buildArray( $sql . ' LIMIT 100' ) ... | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | $sql .= "limit 50" | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, exactly | 19:14 |
| +bartjol | aaah | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | although, if you combine that with pagination it will wreak havoc | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if you're really building a paginator, use WebGUI::Paginator | 19:14 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:18 | |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Chris Hanson webgui-7.9 * r96f5cdf / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Form/TimeField.pm): Corrected element selection technique for TimeField in 7.9. Fixes bug #12061 - http://bit.ly/fXMNwi | 19:20 |
| Haarg | why do i find more security flaws every time i look for them? :( | 19:28 |
| scrottie0 | it's a function of the relative amount of time looking for (or even being watchful of) security flaws versus wearing other hats. it's an under-worn hat. | 19:31 |
| @preaction | i think then the solution is to stop looking for security flaws, so that they don't exist | 19:34 |
| @preaction | after all, if i don't see it, it isn't there, right? | 19:34 |
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| elnino | hi everyone is tavis on vacation? | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | tavis was on vacation last week | 20:21 |
| elnino | ah. I thought he was ignoring me. good to know. thanks. | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you have business questions, you shouldn't email him personally, you should use one of the email aliases | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so that whoever is covering for him can help | 20:22 |
| elnino | that would be my mistake then. | 20:22 |
| @preaction | https://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui/blob/master/lib/WebGUIx/Model.pm <- should this go into WebGUI 7.10 as a replacement for WebGUI::CRUD (which is deprecated in 8)? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:33 |
| @preaction | why not | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | because 7.10 should be as stable as we can make it | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | unstable, new, untried things should go into 8 | 20:33 |
| @preaction | but there are contracts to fill | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | huh? | 20:33 |
| @preaction | there is a contract that needs an ORM and the associated app to manage the ORM classes | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | is part of the contract to rewrite all apps in WebGUI that use CRUD? | 20:34 |
| +perlDreamer | if so, then I have few valid complaints against doing it in 7.10 | 20:34 |
| @preaction | uh, no apps in WebGUI use CRUD | 20:34 |
| @preaction | but we clearly cannot ourselves use CRUD, because as i said it's deprecated in 8 | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | and that observation is why it shouldn't go into 7.10 | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | because I can name 2 off the top of my head in the core | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | FilePump, and Survey | 20:35 |
| @preaction | so because we cannot upgrade everything that uses it, we should not create a replacement? | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | not in 7.10 | 20:36 |
| @preaction | the alternative to putting that class into 7.10 is building the client something new from scratch | 20:36 |
| @preaction | which then goes into 7.10 | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no opposition to using something old vs new, I have an opposition to putting in something brand spanking new and large | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | why 7.10 vs 8? | 20:37 |
| @preaction | or, i suppose we could keep it out of a core webgui until 8 | 20:37 |
| @preaction | also, it's not very big, as you see. it'd just be that class and the two moose traits it exports | 20:38 |
| @preaction | it'd use existing WebGUI::Form::Control and such | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | not only size-wise, but concept wise | 20:38 |
| +bartjol | well, that is one more macro in the webgui world | 20:39 |
| @preaction | sure, it is adding DBIC to WebGUI | 20:39 |
| @preaction | another problem: it does require that you write your models to be WebGUI::Model, not DBIx::Class | 20:42 |
| @preaction | so it wouldn't be a simple "pick up and go" thing | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | is it a wrapped module, or subclassed? | 20:43 |
| @preaction | it's a subclass of DBIC | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | sub-classing happens all the time, especially in 8 | 20:43 |
| @preaction | but it uses moose for the attribute stuff | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | in 8, that sounds great! Assets already use Moose | 20:44 |
| @preaction | so you can't take a simple DBIC model, add the form information to it, and present it to the user. you have to use the WebGUI::Model way: moose attributes | 20:44 |
| @preaction | and yes, that might be good for the deeper parts of WebGUI, but this ORM app should be "We already have business logic and data in our DBIC models, now we want to add a website to manage that stuff" | 20:45 |
| @preaction | in short, i think forcing users into a WebGUI-specific ORM (either CRUD or WebGUI::Model) is not a good idea for this app | 20:46 |
| @preaction | yay, crisis averted | 20:46 |
| +bartjol | hooray! | 20:50 |
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| elnino | did I hear at one point that the collaboration asset is going aaway? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | the idea of the collaboration asset is going away: the idea that one application can fulfill every need | 23:06 |
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| elnino | preaction - I think it's a great asset, but to make it a choice for customer is overwhelming. I like the idea of packaging it in various forms and giving those as options instead. faq, link list, forum, etc. | 00:35 |
| @preaction | that's already possible, but there's a problem: it doesn't do all the Blog features of WordPress, or all the Forum features of PHPBB, or all the... | 00:44 |
| @preaction | and in trying to be more than one thing, it presents a bewildering number of options to the end-user, many of which do not apply to their current situation | 00:44 |
| elnino | yep have are you changing how that works in 8? | 00:46 |
| @preaction | no, i don't have the time right now | 00:47 |
| elnino | I didn't mean YOU. =) | 00:47 |
| @preaction | 8.0 is more about providing the APIs and toolset needed to build the next generation of webgui apps | 00:47 |
| @preaction | right now, it's mostly me | 00:47 |
| elnino | ah. | 00:47 |
| elnino | oh. | 00:47 |
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| @preaction | so i get flexibility, don't have to defend myself or follow someone else's orders, but i'm limited to what i can myself personally produce | 00:48 |
| @preaction | in spite of that, we're getting close | 00:48 |
| elnino | Thats good! Keep up the good work. I finally signed up for hosting with you! So I get to play again! | 00:50 |
| @preaction | ooh fun | 00:52 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcd483f8 / docs/gotcha.txt : Put the notice about the changed TimeField form in a note for the correct version. - http://bit.ly/dZa9Bm | 05:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r23b403d / t/Asset/Wobject/Thingy/duplicate.t : Add a test to make sure that duplicating a Thingy does not leak rows or things. - http://bit.ly/hrfZLV | 05:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r41ebf01 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): There's no need to check again if the asset exists when importing asset collateral data. Fixes bug #12060. - http://bit.ly/g1qNww | 05:08 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra78e0ea / t/Form/TimeField.t : Fix the test to track changes in the TimeField form. - http://bit.ly/gEwSXA | 05:08 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r3887700 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): www_editSave needs permission checks to prevent extra assets from being added by unprivileged users. Partial fix for #12068. - http://bit.ly/gPusd7 | 05:11 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r162c9ba / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): There's no need to check again if the asset exists when importing asset collateral data. Fixes bug #12060. - http://bit.ly/fUz56u | 05:11 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r8078792 / t/Form/TimeField.t : Fix the test to track changes in the TimeField form. - http://bit.ly/eVdHXv | 05:11 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra76b5a5 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.11 release - http://bit.ly/hsdynr | 06:40 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6ac8c49 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.12 development. - http://bit.ly/eI7pKS | 06:56 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r8a8a9c8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Better handling for collateral assets in the Product sku. Fixes bug #12072. - http://bit.ly/gFqWaP | 07:21 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdae7a14 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Better handling for collateral assets in the Product sku. Fixes bug #12072. - http://bit.ly/fRiase | 07:21 |
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| xdanger | preaction: did you do some work on presenting a url for every thing that was in a thingy? | 12:42 |
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| elnino | Hello. I'm looking for an asset that pagenates.. is that only the CS asset at this time? | 16:48 |
| +bartjol | elnino: no, the search also paginates | 16:52 |
| +bartjol | and maybe more | 16:52 |
| elnino | I'm looking for something that can paginate my content. customer has a lot of info. and as much as I don't like long pages, I really don't like paginated articles either. So I really don't know how to proceed on this. suggestions? | 16:53 |
| elnino | I did see the prev/next macro in the bazzar, maybe I should do that. | 16:54 |
| +bartjol | mmm, well best is to look in the template help or the code, which template uses paginating | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | the prev next might also work | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | that looks for the next lineage I believe | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | used that macro once for a wuc presentation | 16:56 |
| +bartjol | but it has some border features that might not be what you want | 16:56 |
| +bartjol | border as in the last and first pages | 16:57 |
| elnino | border? I'll have to look at it again. It's been awile. Thanks. | 16:58 |
| elnino | I'll be away for a while now. | 16:59 |
| ckotil | http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/wallaby/ export flash to html5 | 17:02 |
| +bartjol | ckotil: your link looks to be broken | 17:31 |
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| ckotil | works for me | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | strange, now it does | 18:02 |
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| @preaction | xdanger: no, but 7.9 brought the asset dispatch() sub, which would allow you to do it if you override dispatch() inside Thingy | 18:57 |
| xdanger | so would it have a url like /thingy/thing1 ? or can it be anything? how does it integrate to assets url dispatch? | 18:58 |
| @preaction | it has to have the asset's URL at the beginning, so /thingy/<something>, but <something> can be anything at all, the thing ID, some field from the thing, etc... | 18:59 |
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| @preaction | should we (eventually) replace our custom workflow system with this? http://search.cpan.org/~jonasbn/Workflow/ | 19:52 |
| @preaction | i had wanted to when i first saw this, but now it looks too complicated to me | 19:52 |
| scrottie0 | no, we should eventually replace it with nothingmutch's serializable continuations. | 19:59 |
| scrottie0 | nothingmuch's. | 20:00 |
| scrottie0 | lack of continuations does ugly things to code, sort of lack of objects or lack of closures do. | 20:02 |
| scrottie0 | current designs for workflow systems have state machines inside of state machines, all just to get execution back to where it needs to resume. | 20:02 |
| scrottie0 | that problem vanishes utterly, completely and instantly when you apply continuations to it. | 20:02 |
| scrottie0 | continuations let code (or coderefs) pause at a point, returning control to their caller, but resume execution at the next statement when next called. | 20:03 |
| scrottie0 | serializable ones do the same thing but you can serialize the whole coderef to a string and store it to disc... just as Storable will serialize ordinary continuations. | 20:04 |
| scrottie0 | er, ordinary coderefs. | 20:04 |
| scrottie0 | and the lexical environment stays in tact, of course. | 20:05 |
| @preaction | looks and sounds interesting | 20:06 |
| @preaction | my other idea (well, paul's idea) was a message queue, which afaik is your state machine that runs another state machine | 20:07 |
| @preaction | though this continuations thing would only apply to certain tasks really | 20:07 |
| @preaction | no matter what, we're getting rid of using http as a channel for the workflow task stuff | 20:07 |
| scrottie0 | workflows would have to do some sort of cooperative multitasking in that they would have to yield (litterally, call yield()) now and then | 20:10 |
| @preaction | right now they already do that when they complete a single task | 20:10 |
| @preaction | though i suppose with continuations, they could do that more often and without requring any custom state-saving routines | 20:11 |
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| @preaction | though really isn't that just moving the state-saving somewhere else? though i do like more the idea of taking the entire lexical scope and saving that instead of having to explicitly save stuff | 20:12 |
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| scrottie0 | yup, it is moving it somewhere else. | 20:15 |
| scrottie0 | you can write OO in a non-OO language, but it's ugly. same idea, from my point of view. | 20:15 |
| @preaction | but it would be nice to just say "yield()" and have it return to the same place with the same data | 20:15 |
| @preaction | true | 20:15 |
| @preaction | case-in-point: what many people use C structs for | 20:16 |
| scrottie0 | right. | 20:16 |
| @preaction | and the continuation stuff looks like it could be added rather simply | 20:17 |
| scrottie0 | checking up on nothingmuch's progress, it looks like he's pretty well stalled out since last I looked. | 20:20 |
| scrottie0 | too bad. there was a nice flurry of activity at one point on p5p where the porters decided to move the APIs he needed to core. | 20:20 |
| scrottie0 | Marc Lehmann's Coro is still the well maintained beast that it always was. | 20:21 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79aa44c / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Add a switch to disable the progress bar for capturing the output of findBrokenAssets. - http://bit.ly/i92PHq | 21:32 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd6d55f5 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Add a switch to disable the progress bar for capturing the output of findBrokenAssets. - http://bit.ly/hfe2aj | 21:32 |
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| elnino | hi quick question. | 22:45 |
| elnino | when I make a thingy. is there a GUID that i can reference when doing a one to many relationship? | 22:45 |
| elnino | or do I have to make my own? | 22:45 |
| elnino | oh. I see my thingy is listed in the addfield popup box. | 22:47 |
| elnino | cool | 22:47 |
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| elnino | opps. how do I do a many to many relationship? | 22:58 |
| elnino | Is there a way to make the combination of the two IDs unique? | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, re your earlier question about pagination, the Article asset will automatically paginate content | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | you can read about how to do it in the wiki on webgui.org | 23:05 |
| elnino | it will? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:05 |
| elnino | cool | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no idea about Thingy, but it may not do 1 to many | 23:05 |
| elnino | 1 to many it does. | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | beyond linking to other Things in the same Thingy | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, okay | 23:06 |
| elnino | it may not enforce any primary keys per se | 23:06 |
| elnino | at least I dont' see that option. | 23:06 |
| elnino | now that I have your attention.... | 23:06 |
| elnino | I need o make reports now from my new thingy's data. | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you're stuck with either the search screen, or using SQL Report | 23:07 |
| elnino | is there a way to figure out the table structure and fieldnames somewhere? | 23:07 |
| elnino | right, sql reprt is what I wanted to use | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | if you know the GUID for a thing, the table is uses is Thingy_GUID | 23:07 |
| elnino | ok. | 23:09 |
| elnino | perlDreamer.. oh dear. I wrote that article wiki page. I should have known!! | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd forgotten that :) | 23:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but WebGUI is big | 23:18 |
| elnino | it sure is. | 23:19 |
| @preaction | WebGUI's DBI cache suffers from miss storms :( it's fun to watch a site blow up under it | 23:45 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: if you're interested, you can watch. i can't fix it just yet. it's on the alumni database server: 20 requests trying to REPLACE INTO `cache` for the same cache key, and every request for the same page blocked up behind them | 23:50 |
| @preaction | they only take a second or so, but 20 of them causes 20 seconds of wait... | 23:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure I follow you, preaction | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've got my head deeply into 3 projects at the same time | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | how did you track that down? | 23:55 |
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| elnino | in thingy, the table and fields have a quid which sometimes contains a - which is illegal apparantly in sql field names. | 00:48 |
| elnino | so i'm surroundin them iwth tick marks, but I can't seem to make it work still. | 00:48 |
| elnino | what's wrong with this??? http://pastebin.com/FvugTSy5 | 00:49 |
| elnino | minus the comma, still doesn't work. | 00:54 |
| @preaction | elnino: turn on the debug mode thing for the SQLReport, it should report an error | 00:56 |
| elnino | I do. | 00:56 |
| elnino | hold on. i'm makeing a new pastebin | 00:56 |
| elnino | http://pastebin.com/ukUjNuum | 00:58 |
| elnino | I got rid of aliases, because it just wouldn't work. | 00:58 |
| elnino | and used thingDataId in the innerjoin because those were WG's fields. | 00:58 |
| elnino | in the error, it's dropping tick marks. | 00:59 |
| elnino | it works fine (wiout error) if I remove the fields and replace with a * | 01:00 |
| elnino | Of course I dont' get data that way, because I used thingDataId =) | 01:02 |
| elnino | ok. I'm getting somewhere now... enver mind. | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | we need a better solution for sslEnabled | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | if the user manages to set encryptLogin=1 in the settings | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and then sets sslEnabled=0 in the config file | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | then the form is not shown in Settings any longer | 01:14 |
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| scrottie0 | ugh. | 02:45 |
| scrottie0 | I know a good sysadmin who is looking for work, by the way. | 02:45 |
| scrottie0 | or maybe I need to get bigbrother running on one of these babies on top of an overhead projector: http://cgi.ebay.com/Infocus-480GS-PC-Viewer-LCD-PROJECTION-PANEL-w-cables-/230593963308?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b078a52c | 02:46 |
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| @preaction | so it's like a document projector, only for an LCD? | 03:06 |
| @preaction | i've wanted myself to just break off and do a bunch of sysadmin work to unify and expand our capability for auditing and troubleshooting, but it's all development right now | 03:08 |
| scrottie0 | before you could go out and buy a data projector, this is what a data projector was. | 03:31 |
| scrottie0 | you threw it on top of an overhead projector and got 640x480 greyscale, or, if you were lucky, color video projected onto a screen. | 03:31 |
| @preaction | yeah, like one of those opaque document projectors, only with an LCD | 03:33 |
| @preaction | and for $10, why not | 03:33 |
| scrottie0 | I have so much crazy stuff in my closet already... | 03:36 |
| scrottie0 | but it's still tempting. | 03:36 |
| scrottie0 | I'm having flashbacks to a client I had that wanted crazy amounts of code work done and I wound up repeatedly neglecting sysadmin tasks. I didn't set up RAID. spamassassan proved to open a port that was DoSable and in the process of being DoS'd, the HD failed. backups weren't recent enough. PGP stopped encrypting orders (this was a long time ago) because its license had expired. | 03:40 |
| scrottie0 | one thing after another. | 03:40 |
| @preaction | yes, there are nights where i lay awake with all the wonderful possibilities that i don't know are happening because i cannot look | 03:42 |
| @preaction | our little security scare, for instance | 03:42 |
| @preaction | and the one server i didn't rebuild from scratch, but merely replaced the kernel and sshd | 03:43 |
| @preaction | damnit, now you reminded me of those :p | 03:43 |
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| @preaction | http://bit.ly/g4J2EM The full story of the cache stampede problem! | 07:01 |
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| elnino | in the sqlreort template, does the <tmpl_if query3.hasNest> HAVE to be in the <tmpl_loop query3.rows_loop>? | 07:59 |
| elnino | I don't want them to look like they are nesting. and my brain isn't wrapping around this too clearly. | 08:00 |
| @preaction | if you're not using a 4th query, you don't need that at all, iirc | 08:00 |
| elnino | when I tried to take it out of the query3 loop, the query4 didn't dispaly | 08:00 |
| elnino | i need the query4 | 08:00 |
| @preaction | then yes, it has to be in the rows loop. every query is run once against each row of the previous query | 08:01 |
| elnino | basically, I have my first query. and query 2,3,4 all are returning info based on query1's id. | 08:01 |
| elnino | query 2,3,4 aren't related to eachother. | 08:01 |
| elnino | only to query 1 | 08:01 |
| elnino | does that make sense? | 08:01 |
| @preaction | but that's the way SQLReport does it | 08:01 |
| elnino | I suppose I can break them up into separate reports and put them on a page laytou. | 08:02 |
| elnino | they are essently running off a form id. | 08:03 |
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| elnino | I thought there was a isfirst and islast option in the loops? | 08:30 |
| @preaction | __FIRST__ and __LAST__ i think | 08:31 |
| elnino | ok i'll try those. I can't find it in the tmeplate help. I thought it was in there somewhere. | 08:32 |
| @preaction | no, it's added as part of HTML::Template's default behaviors | 08:32 |
| elnino | ah. I could have used <TMPL_IF query2> rather than if hasnested. | 08:35 |
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| @preaction | anyone have an idea why we md5 hash the cache keys to make them bigger? | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | You'd have to ATA, preaction | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | from what I'm seeing through the history, I think the idea was that any reference to any object was supposed to be a GUID | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so everything as MD5'ed | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, on the other side, it pretty much prevents you from figuring out who is putting what into the Cache at any given time, either | 20:38 |
| scrottie | makes it more difficult, for sure. you could build a translation of md5 hashes back to the original keys, stuff it in a table, and relate on it. | 20:52 |
| scrottie | which would, of course, be dumb. | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like a ranbox table | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, rainbox table | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | rainbow table | 20:53 |
| scrottie | part of the mojo of the rainbow table versus an ordinary "crack dictionary" is that NT LAN Manager and Novell before it busted the password up into 8 character chunks and hashed each individually. | 20:55 |
| scrottie | so it's possible to store on just a few CD-ROMs every possible 8 characters behind each hash and therefore every possible password. | 20:55 |
| scrottie | not to be pedantic or anything >=)~ | 20:56 |
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| theBrettman | hi. thinking of using webgui and using the demo. I have some questions | 21:37 |
| @preaction | ask away! | 21:40 |
| theBrettman | first, I don't know if it's cuz of the demo but the clipboard and other menu items aren't showing | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | do you have anything in the clipboard yet? | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | is admin mode turned on? | 21:41 |
| theBrettman | yes, admin mode is on and all that is on it is Admin Console and New Content | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | well, until you put something in the clipboard, that item won't show in the Admin Bar | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I just created a demo site, and cut something to the clipboard, and it added the Clipboard tab | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you can have a look at it here, if you wish: http://demo.plainblack.com/demo1299702731_836/ | 21:45 |
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| theBrettman_ | sorry about that, I used some chrome extension, lol | 21:46 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, did you get my comment about the clipboard not showing up, until you put something into it? | 21:47 |
| theBrettman_ | yes | 21:47 |
| theBrettman_ | but other things are missing too | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, like what? | 21:47 |
| theBrettman_ | it only has Admin Console and New Content | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you don't have any Version Tags open, then that tab will be missing as well | 21:48 |
| theBrettman_ | cool | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | so, I think you're really doing okay | 21:48 |
| theBrettman_ | I deleted the home page and it would still go to the home page? | 21:48 |
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| theBrettman_ | I put the homepage back and it doesn't show on the navigation | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the URL for your demo site? | 21:49 |
| theBrettman_ | and I also want to change the order of the navigation | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Navigation order is controlled by the order of the Assets in the Asset Manager | 21:49 |
| theBrettman_ | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1299696324_211/home | 21:49 |
| theBrettman_ | wow, that asset manager is cool! | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | all kudos go to preaction | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | about deleting the home page | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI has a setting for what the "Default home page" is | 21:51 |
| theBrettman_ | ok, so is there an easy way to show upcoming events from the calendar on the front page limited to 3? | 21:51 |
| theBrettman_ | where do I find that setting? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | in Admin Console/Settings | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | for the calendar, you have a couple of choices | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) build a shortcut of the Calendar, and override the default view to be list, and the amount of events to be 3, and probably need a good template as well | 21:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | 2) Build a 2nd calendar that pulls the ical feed from the first, and then overrides the default view and the other settings | 21:53 |
| theBrettman_ | yeah, I can make my own templates pretty easy, right? | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | oh sure | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | have you read the documentation on webgui.org yet? | 21:54 |
| theBrettman_ | this is the mockup http://apsurge.com/mockups/stjohn/ | 21:54 |
| theBrettman_ | I started reading the documentation but I only get a day for a demo so I wanna build this site real quick and see if I run into any problems | 21:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | have you tried using the WebGUI Virtual Machine? | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd need a copy of VMWare, or Virtual Box for that | 21:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | but then you can have a persistent WebGUI for tinkering, right on your own computer | 21:55 |
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| theBrettman_ | cool | 21:56 |
| theBrettman_ | I got 4GB of ram so I guess I could do that | 21:56 |
| theBrettman_ | hm... vmware or virtual box? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI VM will run in either of them | 21:57 |
| theBrettman_ | so how much does webgui cost? | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | $0 to download, use and customize it | 21:57 |
| preaction_ | it's free | 21:57 |
| theBrettman_ | really? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 21:58 |
| theBrettman_ | wow! | 21:58 |
| theBrettman_ | ok, it's final, we're using this! | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you need support, design work, templating, training, customized code or hosting, then there are companies that do that | 21:58 |
| theBrettman_ | well, we are a web development company | 21:58 |
| theBrettman_ | and this has an api and everything | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:59 |
| theBrettman_ | goodbye to dreamweaver and visual studio pretty much, lol | 21:59 |
| theBrettman_ | cool so how exactly do I put it on the server? | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | it only runs on Apache | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and will not run easily (if at all) on Windows | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | that's one of the reasons we make the VM available | 22:01 |
| theBrettman_ | oh crap. the boss isn't gonna like that, lol. we got MS | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you can drop the VM and run it in production, right next to your MS ISS server | 22:02 |
| theBrettman_ | so I could just put the vm on the server? | 22:02 |
| theBrettman_ | cool | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, running inside VMWare or Virtual Box | 22:02 |
| * perlDreamer needs to wander off and have lunch with my wife | 22:02 | |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 22:02 |
| theBrettman_ | thx | 22:02 |
| preaction_ | i wouldn't suggest using the vm in production if you have a real linux server around | 22:05 |
| preaction_ | but for dev the vm works just fine | 22:05 |
| theBrettman_ | wow, what if we got a dedicated server? | 22:05 |
| preaction_ | a linode would work fine | 22:05 |
| theBrettman_ | idk if we can install that on it | 22:05 |
| theBrettman_ | what's a linode? | 22:05 |
| preaction_ | linode.com | 22:06 |
| theBrettman_ | we already have hosting tho | 22:06 |
| theBrettman_ | and I don't know if we can put a virtual machine on it or if it already has it or what | 22:07 |
| theBrettman_ | I don't think the boss will let us change hosting either | 22:07 |
| preaction_ | do you have a shell on that hosted system? | 22:08 |
| theBrettman_ | yes, I guess we have complete control over it | 22:09 |
| theBrettman_ | the thing is, we're hosting other sites we made | 22:09 |
| preaction_ | then you can install webgui on that | 22:09 |
| theBrettman_ | but it has iis | 22:09 |
| preaction_ | so it's a windows server | 22:09 |
| theBrettman_ | yes | 22:09 |
| preaction_ | you poor thing | 22:10 |
| theBrettman_ | and they said no to the virtual machine cuz of resources | 22:10 |
| theBrettman_ | grr | 22:10 |
| theBrettman_ | I say we need another server | 22:10 |
| theBrettman_ | we were using sitefinity and now we're using wordpress cuz it's alot lighter | 22:11 |
| theBrettman_ | sitefinity was hogging all the memory | 22:12 |
| theBrettman_ | I wonder how much memory webgui uses compared to wordpress? | 22:12 |
| theBrettman_ | so I shouldn't need the vm on my laptop cuz I got xampp, right? | 22:13 |
| preaction_ | you need the vm because webgui doesn't work well on windows servers. you'd have to install from scratch | 22:13 |
| theBrettman_ | is there a verse of the day widget? | 22:16 |
| theBrettman_ | that fetches from Bible Gateway verso of the day? | 22:17 |
| preaction_ | it seems the verse of the day is available via RSS, so you could use a syndicated content asset to pull it from their site | 22:18 |
| theBrettman_ | sweet | 22:19 |
| theBrettman_ | do u know if webgui uses a lot of memory? | 22:19 |
| preaction_ | depends on what you consider a lot | 22:20 |
| preaction_ | mod_php and mod_perl use about the same amount of memory iirc | 22:20 |
| theBrettman_ | well, wordpress is good on memory. do u know how it compares? | 22:20 |
| preaction_ | i've never run a wordpress site | 22:20 |
| theBrettman_ | check this out: http://vschart.com/compare/wordpress/vs/webgui | 22:21 |
| preaction_ | we recommend a server with 2G of RAM: 1G for the OS, 300M for mysql, and the rest to make sure you have enough apache/mod_perl processes to serve pages | 22:21 |
| theBrettman_ | u can prolly fill that out, lol | 22:22 |
| preaction_ | meh | 22:22 |
| preaction_ | seems biased towards wordpress, which is a blog | 22:22 |
| theBrettman_ | I'm sure u know what goes where all the ? are | 22:22 |
| preaction_ | i'm sure i do too | 22:22 |
| theBrettman_ | that's cuz they didn't know what to put I bet | 22:22 |
| theBrettman_ | it lets u edit it | 22:23 |
| theBrettman_ | is there a way to measure how much memory it's going to use? | 22:29 |
| theBrettman_ | hm... I got an idea. there's free servers out there I can test this on, lol | 22:30 |
| preaction_ | as i mentioned, we recommend a server with 2G of ram | 22:30 |
| theBrettman_ | do u work for plain black or? | 22:38 |
| preaction_ | yes | 22:38 |
| theBrettman_ | I wonder if there's any free hosting that has webgui installed? | 22:41 |
| preaction_ | not that i know of | 22:41 |
| theBrettman_ | that way I can play with it on there | 22:41 |
| theBrettman_ | maybe I can talk one of the free hosts into it | 22:41 |
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| scrottie | I'm starting to think that I need to re-up with Qwest but for voice service, not data. they're good at that. then I can dial up when other stuff is down. | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe pigeons, scrottie? | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | very low bandwidth, but environmentally friendly | 23:14 |
| scrottie | someone actually did do TCP-over-pigeon. | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I know, and if it can be done, I figure that you're the man to do it | 23:21 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is that TCPOP is much too close to TCPOOP | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | which can happen when you try to route too many packets simultaneously | 23:23 |
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| theBrettman_ | so to change the order of the navigation, I change its rank in assets? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 23:42 |
| theBrettman_ | is there a way to just make it go up? | 23:42 |
| theBrettman_ | so I don't have to change the number of every rank? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | for example, you want to make #5 into #3? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | just change the 5 to a 3, and WebGUI will do the hard work for you | 23:43 |
| theBrettman_ | ok | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | a click and drag interface would be nice | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | and preaction may have plans for that in the new version 8 that's coming out | 23:43 |
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| theBrettman_ | how do u rollback changes? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI, some asset changes are not versioned | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | cut, delete, rank and purge are not revisioned | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | however, all changes to asset properties (rather than states) are revisioned | 23:48 |
| theBrettman_ | I mean if I wanted to put the site back the way it was when it was first created? | 23:49 |
| xdanger | in the edit screen you have revions in the right site, you can then save an older revision as a new | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | also, if the Admin Bar, there's an option called Versions | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you can rollback revisions that you made | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | however, once rolled back, they're gone forever | 23:50 |
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| xdanger | I'm fucked... I upgraded my jailbroken iphone to the newest version and now I can't downgrade, or jailbreak the new version... Why o why wasn't I paying attention when I installed the stock firmware... | 23:52 |
| theBrettman_ | what way is the revisions sorted? | 23:53 |
| theBrettman_ | descending or ascending? | 23:53 |
| theBrettman_ | cuz they all say 2hrs, lol | 23:53 |
| xdanger | sorry for my language =) | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | brettman, it's most recent at the top | 23:54 |
| theBrettman_ | oh, I don't see the versions thingy | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | It's called Version Tags | 23:54 |
| +perlDreamer | 2nd to last entry | 23:55 |
| theBrettman_ | it says: You are currently working under a tag called: None. | 23:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to Committed Versions (link on the right) | 23:56 |
| theBrettman_ | yay! | 23:56 |
| theBrettman_ | what do I do now? | 23:57 |
| theBrettman_ | I clicked rollback, do I need to do anything else? | 23:57 |
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| theBrettman_ | anyone here? | 00:14 |
| scrottie | I'm here twice. | 00:14 |
| preaction_ | I'm only here once, but I got a tail | 00:14 |
| theBrettman_ | when u do a rollback, after u click rollback, do u have to do anything else? | 00:14 |
| scrottie | shouldn't. I'm stronger on the internal API side than the CMS side though so, grain of salt. | 00:15 |
| preaction_ | what else would one have to do? what is the goal you're trying to reach? | 00:16 |
| theBrettman_ | it didn't work | 00:16 |
| theBrettman_ | trying to start over | 00:16 |
| preaction_ | what didn't work? | 00:17 |
| theBrettman_ | I tried to rollback to the beginning but it didn't work | 00:17 |
| preaction_ | beginning of what? what did you do that you are now trying to roll back? | 00:18 |
| theBrettman_ | deleted the homepage and when I put it back, I can't get it to show on the navigation | 00:18 |
| theBrettman_ | and I can't find it in assets | 00:18 |
| scrottie | from the asset manager, look in the trash. | 00:19 |
| theBrettman_ | can't find the home layout in assets | 00:19 |
| theBrettman_ | I don't see a trash in the assets manager | 00:19 |
| scrottie | going to previous versions refers to edits to the config (including text inside of) an asset, not to where it is | 00:19 |
| +perlDreamer | Trash is an entry in the Admin Bar, or the Admin Console | 00:20 |
| scrottie | sorry, right. | 00:20 |
| +perlDreamer | when an Asset is deleted, it goes to the Trash | 00:21 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie, you need more UI time :P | 00:21 |
| scrottie | I do. | 00:21 |
| theBrettman_ | I know, I restored it from the trash | 00:21 |
| theBrettman_ | but it won't show up as an asset for some dumb reason | 00:21 |
| scrottie | can you view it if you type in its url directly? | 00:21 |
| theBrettman_ | I see a page layout on the page tho | 00:22 |
| scrottie | do you know its url? | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | the site has a home page | 00:22 |
| scrottie | page layouts are trixy. | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm not sure what you're talking about theBrettman_ | 00:22 |
| theBrettman_ | it has 2 homepages, lol | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | I deleted the original home page layout | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you didn't | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's still there | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | when I went to put it back | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | that's cuz I restored it | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | but it doesn't show in the navigation | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | and so I went to find it in assets | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | and it doesn't show the page layout | 00:23 |
| theBrettman_ | only the one for home2 | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because the navigation is not configured to show the home page | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | only the pages below home | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | if you want Home in the Navigation, you need to find the Navigation asset, and change its configuration | 00:24 |
| theBrettman_ | assets only shows page layouts and articles right now | 00:25 |
| theBrettman_ | how do I show the navigation? | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | navigations are handled specially | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the navigation is off one the side, and its content is copied (proxied) into the style template | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | to find out where it, here's what to do | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Edit a Page Layout asset | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | select the Display tab | 00:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Find the entry for the Style Template, and click on the Edit button next to it | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that will take you to the Style Template | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | in the Style Template, you are looking for an AssetProxy macro | 00:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it will have the URL for the navigation in it | 00:27 |
| theBrettman_ | AssetProxy(crystalx/crystalx_navigation); | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | that's it | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | so, in the Asset Manager, on the top, there's a crumb trail navigation | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | select Root | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | then, after the page reload, select Import from the list below | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | page reload again | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | then, you'll find the crystalx folder, and click on it to enter it | 00:29 |
| theBrettman_ | aha! | 00:29 |
| theBrettman_ | cool | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | find the navigation, and change the configuration | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | in that style, though, there's a home page link on the site's logo | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so most people skip it | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | especially for a wide navigation like CrystalX | 00:30 |
| theBrettman_ | oh, that's not good | 00:30 |
| theBrettman_ | it says it's corrupt? | 00:30 |
| theBrettman_ | when I click import | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, wrong import | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | don't use the button | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | when you clicked on Root | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | the list of assets displayed has an Import folder link | 00:31 |
| theBrettman_ | well, I really just wanna make my own template | 00:33 |
| theBrettman_ | how do I do like a header and footer? | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that's done in the style template | 00:37 |
| theBrettman_ | maybe I can look at the style 3 one for an example but I'm not sure where it is, lol | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the Import node | 00:38 |
| theBrettman_ | I'll figure it out in a sec tho | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, before I forget | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | here's an example of a school website built with WebGUI: http://www.forsythtech.edu/ | 00:38 |
| theBrettman_ | wow, sweet site! | 00:40 |
| theBrettman_ | I looked in the import node for it but I don't see it | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's in WebGUI 7 Style 3 | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | you can also use the search feature in the Asset Manager to find it | 00:41 |
| theBrettman_ | oh, ok. I g2g. time to leave work. I'll get back on when I get home... | 00:41 |
| theBrettman_ | oh that's cool. I'll just use search from now on | 00:42 |
| theBrettman_ | ttyl | 00:42 |
| preaction_ | lesson learned today: sometimes, spreading load from 1 server to 2 servers bring more than 100% performance increase | 00:44 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, do you have a few minutes? | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Firefox seems to think that the WebGUI i18n object is recursively defined | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | Firebug, rather | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | you can grab a copy of WebGUI.i18n, and open the constructor | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which shows a copy of prototype | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which has a constructor | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | which has a prototype | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on... | 00:50 |
| scrottie0 | huh. prompt() is part of ExtUtils::MakeMaker. | 00:50 |
| preaction_ | perlDreamer: that's how JS objects work. they all have constructors, which have prototypes, which have constructors, etc... | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate JS | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that is totally stupid | 00:52 |
| preaction_ | why? | 00:52 |
| preaction_ | it means making a new object is as easy as copying the constructor's prototype into a container, and then running the constructor on it | 00:52 |
| scrottie0 | except for the copying bit, it isn't that different from @ISA | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but the recursive structure contained in EVERY object is just memory leak waiting to happen | 00:53 |
| scrottie0 | generally, you don't want parents that are in use to go away. | 00:53 |
| preaction_ | recursive structures aren't hard to remove | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | tell that to perl's GC | 00:53 |
| preaction_ | java's method of GC (i forget what it is, but it's not refcount) does recursive cleanup better, at the cost of being more complicated and slower (iirc) | 00:54 |
| scrottie0 | mark-sweep, generally. | 00:55 |
| preaction_ | yeah, that's it | 00:55 |
| scrottie0 | generational mark-sweep. | 00:55 |
| scrottie0 | I saw a circular reference detector the other day | 00:55 |
| scrottie0 | for Perl | 00:55 |
| scrottie0 | I've got something I've been playing with, too, for compacting Perl memory. it's... uh, Acme potential. | 00:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, I think a new laptop is in my wife's future | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | she just spilled a whole cup of chai latte onto it | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I told her that if she really wanted a new laptop, she just had to ask | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | there's no need to nuke the old one | 01:27 |
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| scrottie | get her one of these: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/business-rugged-toughbook-C1-convertible-tablet-pc.asp | 01:49 |
| scrottie | it features this business: http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/img/productTechnology/bizrug-spill-resistant.gif | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | the laptop appears to be toast | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | won't turn on | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess that makes it lactose intolerant | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 02:23 |
| scrottie | I imagine a chai latte has a pretty low electrical resistance. | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm like 70% sure it's toasted | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I've been opening up things like mad | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and now I'm off to the computer store to get a hard drive enclosure so we can check out the drive | 02:41 |
| +perlDreamer | thank goodness for old, usable laptops laying around the house! | 02:42 |
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| scrottie | oh, HandlerSocket *does* support compound keys. you just use the name of the index on those compound keys. duurr... | 04:43 |
| @preaction_ | interesting | 04:46 |
| @preaction_ | might be even more useful now | 04:46 |
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| theBrettman | u know what would be cool? line numbers and intellesense for the text editor!!! and maybe a drop down for finding classes and methods... | 05:25 |
| @preaction_ | theBrettman: you're joking right? | 05:27 |
| theBrettman | that would be awesome. not that it's gonna be done tomorrow but... | 05:27 |
| @preaction_ | for 2 minor versions we had line numbers and syntax highlighting, and they just about lynched me for it | 05:27 |
| @preaction_ | so i removed it | 05:28 |
| theBrettman | y didn't they like it? | 05:28 |
| @preaction_ | because it's impossible to make one without some fairly significant bugs, due to the way browsers treat contentEditable iframes | 05:29 |
| theBrettman | oh. u mean due to internet explorer lol | 05:29 |
| @preaction_ | not only IE. IE did some funky things, but Safari also (doesn't support <table> in contentEditable iframes, or at least didn't) | 05:30 |
| theBrettman | I was gonna install fedora on an old box I had laying around and then realized it only has 256MB ram... not enough to run WebGUI :( | 05:30 |
| @preaction_ | not well, at least. you might be able to tweak mysql down to fit | 05:31 |
| theBrettman | my dad has an old box with an athlon and I got 2gb ram for it so maybe I'll get my hands on it | 05:31 |
| theBrettman | what do u think is better chrome or firebug? | 05:32 |
| theBrettman | I still like firebug better but I like chrome better than FF | 05:32 |
| @preaction_ | chrome is a browser, firebug is a plugin, but i prefer webkit's (chrome/safari) web inspector to firebug or IE's | 05:32 |
| @preaction_ | webkit's inspector doesn't slow down the browser, also it doesn't break when the browser releases a new version | 05:33 |
| theBrettman | yes, I know. I just said chrome for short instead of whatever their tool is called | 05:33 |
| theBrettman | lol | 05:33 |
| theBrettman | I wish they would make the padding and margins show purple or yellow like firebug tho | 05:34 |
| @preaction_ | that's how firefox lost me as a user 3 years ago: FF3 came out, but firebug didn't work in it. took them months to get it fixed | 05:34 |
| theBrettman | and firebug pops up a ruler now too when u look in metrics | 05:34 |
| theBrettman | but their ruler kinda sucks | 05:35 |
| theBrettman | maybe webkit will add that stuff soon | 05:35 |
| theBrettman | that would be sweet | 05:35 |
| scrottie0 | holy snot... t/CHIDriverTests-MySQLHandlerSocket.t .. ok | 06:43 |
| scrottie0 | I really should write a domain specific language for these squirrely little data lists Net::HandlerSocket takes. | 06:46 |
| @preaction_ | or something... this API looks rather... spartan | 06:47 |
| scrottie0 | lack of replace into / insert if not exist / whatever is an annoyance. I have a delete and an insert stacked in one packet with execute_multi() but that's kludgey. | 06:49 |
| scrottie0 | I wonder if it would be faster to stack an insert and an update. | 06:50 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r88797c1 / (42 files in 21 dirs): | 07:35 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Add Asset Dashlets to Dashboard. Add required and static properties to | 07:35 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Dashboard Assets. Add caching to StockData and WeatherData assets. Add | 07:35 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: LastModifiedBy macro. Add GroupManager to the Group form control. - | 07:35 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: http://bit.ly/hFbsZQ | 07:35 |
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| scrottie | rscync'ing down the wre source to the linux laptop... will try to build there in the morning, since building on dev is failing horribly. | 09:24 |
| scrottie | CHI::Driver::HandlerSocket got pushed to CPAN. there were no real prospects for merging in HandlerSocket support to Handler::Socket::DBI. | 09:26 |
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| Haarg | preaction_, i read in your blog post that memcached isn't supported in WebGUI 7. why not? wouldn't the CHI driver be able to do that? | 20:58 |
| @preaction_ | iirc it's the deleteChunk that doesn't work | 20:59 |
| Haarg | ah, makes sense | 20:59 |
| @preaction_ | really i don't remember why, just that i tried and failed | 20:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, have you ever tried the github SVN import for opening a new git repo? | 21:58 |
| Haarg | no | 21:58 |
| * perlDreamer briefly considers making the standalone svn server try to work instead of modperl integration to try it | 21:59 | |
| Haarg | is any part of the translation server up? | 22:01 |
| Haarg | and if not, when was svn last up? | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | July 2009 | 22:02 |
| Haarg | 9? | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | when the big server move happened | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | well, maybe it was '10 | 22:04 |
| Haarg | https://github.com/haarg/webgui-translations | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | serious? | 22:04 |
| Haarg | yeah | 22:05 |
| Haarg | part of one of a few attempts i made at a new translation server | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | if I can sync what's in there now, with what's on the server for a catch-u | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | catch-up | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | then all that's left to do is translate svn command lines to git command lines | 22:06 |
| Haarg | that should have everything that was in svn, so do whatever you like with it | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll clone it for tinkering purposes | 22:07 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Mary Hoerr master * ree40a71 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): Removed caching from www_export() Fixes bug #12050. - http://bit.ly/hqn11A | 01:12 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Mary Hoerr webgui-7.9 * r8311e8a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Thingy.pm): | 01:12 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Removed caching from www_export() Fixes bug #12050. | 01:12 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Conflicts: | 01:12 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/em3KzM | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yay Mary! | 01:17 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r14cac88 / (3 files in 2 dirs): first untested pass at merging changes to Story/StoryTopic/StoryArchive from AEIF - http://bit.ly/fKi8Lz | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r055fdba / (3 files in 2 dirs): | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Revert "first untested pass at merging changes to Story/StoryTopic/StoryArchive from AEIF" | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: ... should have been in a branch | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: This reverts commit 14cac88fd11f91a6eb6faa7abc11d735551d05d2. - http://bit.ly/hIHT34 | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Scott Walters master * re1259e3 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Cache/CHI.pm): | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Let CHI modules other than just DBI get their hands on dbh and perhaps other things in the future; | 03:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: add an "args" : [ "dbh" ] entry to the "cache" : { } config block - http://bit.ly/fgKKKX | 03:07 |
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| scrottie | come back! dammit. | 03:41 |
| @preaction_ | NEVER! | 03:41 |
| @preaction_ | hmm... apparently cmake is better than autotools | 03:42 |
| scrottie | eventually, I'm going to break something really bad today if I keep at this. | 03:44 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r1942ccc / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Cache/CHI.pm): | 03:45 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Let CHI modules other than just DBI get their hands on dbh and perhaps other things in the future; | 03:45 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: add an "args" : [ "dbh" ] entry to the "cache" : { } config block - http://bit.ly/fHb0Z9 | 03:45 |
| scrottie | I've rolled the --force and -rf dice way too many times the past two days. | 03:45 |
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| @preaction_ | yeah, i was doing manual db editing without a backup. put a few wrong semi-colons and almost hit enter: bam! entire group gone | 04:27 |
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| @pbcj | I seem to be missing WebGUI::Asset::Template::TemplateToolkit | 18:17 |
| @pbcj | ha.. rtfm ftw | 18:27 |
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| elnino | good morning! | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino! | 18:30 |
| elnino | hi! | 18:30 |
| elnino | I stayed up very late and I think I found a bug with sql report. | 18:30 |
| +perlDreamer | that's quite possible | 18:31 |
| elnino | but I'm looking to see if there is any documentaton on sqlreport on the site and there really doesn't seem to be. | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | whaddya seein' ? | 18:31 |
| elnino | well. | 18:31 |
| elnino | when I designed my report. I'm using all 5 queries. | 18:31 |
| elnino | probaby my first mistake. =) | 18:31 |
| elnino | the first query is my "main" query that returns a primary ID | 18:32 |
| elnino | the queryes 2-5 are all one to many to that first query. | 18:32 |
| elnino | so each of those stand on their own returning multiple records based on the ID returned by the first query. | 18:32 |
| elnino | with me? | 18:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I think so | 18:32 |
| elnino | My first query returns a song list. | 18:33 |
| elnino | my second query returns all the languages it was translated to. | 18:33 |
| elnino | for example. | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | got you | 18:33 |
| elnino | and so on. | 18:33 |
| elnino | query2-5 are not related to eachother. | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh | 18:34 |
| elnino | when I look at the template does. | 18:34 |
| elnino | s/does/docs | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that's your problem right there | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | all the queries nest | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so if they have to be related | 18:34 |
| elnino | well. hold on.. Only in your default template do they nest. | 18:34 |
| elnino | I have to go get my boy.. just a sec | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | no, in the code they nest, and the template is built to reflect that | 18:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | I have to make a phone call, I'll be back in a while | 18:35 |
| elnino | well. in your template documntation it appears | 18:35 |
| elnino | that they shouldn't be that way. | 18:35 |
| elnino | because it allows you to test each query independatnly | 18:35 |
| elnino | I woudl argue that the code is wrong. | 18:36 |
| elnino | you should be able to make them act nested via templates or not. | 18:36 |
| elnino | just to make sure we're on the same page: This is how I think sqlreports are designed: | 18:43 |
| elnino | query1 returns a list of CDs | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 2 returns songs listed on cd | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 3 lists the lanaguage for each of those songs for each cd | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 4 would list performers for each language for each song found on each cd. | 18:43 |
| elnino | What I want is this: | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 1 returns songid | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 2 returns languages each songid was translated into | 18:43 |
| elnino | query 3 returns all the instruments for each songid | 18:43 |
| elnino | languages and instruments have nothing todo with eachother. where as the performers probably change if the song was translated in to different languages | 18:45 |
| elnino | I'm displaying this in a table, so each song starts a row, and q2-3 are displayed in their own column as a comma delimited list. | 18:46 |
| elnino | and the documentation indicates that I should be able to do <tmpl_if query2>loop here</tmpl_if> followed by <tmpl_if query3>loop here.</tmpl_if> | 18:47 |
| elnino | if there is no data in query2 query 3 shoudl still be able to be run and display data - and that's my problem. which obviously is how thecode was written as you stated before. | 18:51 |
| elnino | s/how/not how | 18:57 |
| elnino | so I'm trying to figure out how to do this. I wonder if I can I do nested sqlreports? | 18:58 |
| elnino | with Assetproxy or somethign. | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that's exactly how the SQL Report is designed | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can't build the alternate query | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd use multiple reports to do that | 19:18 |
| elnino | and I would argue, that that is a flawed design. =) | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | how would you tell WebGUI that you want sequential queries, vs. nested one? | 19:20 |
| elnino | it's all based on the parameters used. | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so you want WebGUI to analyze your queries and try to guess what you want? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | remember, you're just giving form fields a bunch of text | 19:21 |
| elnino | if the parameter is query1:thingDataId, then it's obvious. | 19:21 |
| elnino | or is there something I'm missing? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:22 |
| elnino | ok. I'm listening. =) | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be used _either_ by nested, or by sequential queries | 19:23 |
| elnino | well, mine are "nested" so it's all how you define it right? query2 is nested in query1, query3 is nested in query1, query 4 is nested in query1 and query5 is nested in query1 | 19:24 |
| elnino | not just 1->2->3->4-> 5 | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so, really you're arguing that by looking at the placeholder params, you can define arbitrary sequences of nested and sequential queries | 19:26 |
| elnino | I'm thinking. =) | 19:26 |
| elnino | y..e..s... but I don't know how you'd implement it... lol | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | well... | 19:28 |
| elnino | there's gotta be a way... | 19:28 |
| elnino | you guys are smart... | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | first, you'd write a bunch of tests to test the way that it works now | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | then, you'd start to look at the placeholder params and figure out which queries depend on each other | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd add constraints and checks so that you can't do circular lookups, or refer to queries that don't exist | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and then you'd write new tests to validate all the work | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | however, it's a new feature and not a currently built-in one | 19:29 |
| elnino | OR | 19:30 |
| elnino | you could change how the "add query" button works, and give the option of "nested" or "sequential" | 19:31 |
| elnino | just like report software does it, you add a "sub query" or just a nother "query" | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | when you type that word "change", I see "RFE" :) | 19:31 |
| elnino | yes yes. point taken. | 19:32 |
| elnino | lol | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a particular failing of mine :) | 19:32 |
| elnino | so... how do I do a table? Can I do assetproxy with sqlreport tempatle? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of nesting queries in the SQL Report, how about using more gnarly SQL ? | 19:33 |
| elnino | I've done gnarly sql before.... | 19:34 |
| elnino | but its been a while | 19:35 |
| elnino | anything is possible though. | 19:35 |
| elnino | I suppose. | 19:36 |
| elnino | I'm going to have to add more columns I think. | 19:36 |
| elnino | becaus for the subquerys they returned more than one result. | 19:37 |
| elnino | I'm not sure how else to deal with those other than making them additional columns. | 19:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd use subqueries in the SQL itself | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | select CONCAT(",", (select blah from elsewhere)) as languages | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but my sql foo is weak | 19:38 |
| elnino | I was wondering if something like that could be done. Off to google I go. | 19:39 |
| elnino | sweet - easier than that.. group_concat - http://mahmudahsan.wordpress.com/2008/08/27/mysql-the-group_concat-function/ | 19:41 |
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| @preaction_ | well, WebGUI will soon be a lot better at surviving in multi-master environments | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | how so? | 21:34 |
| scrottie | chainmail. | 21:34 |
| @preaction_ | making the update/insert statements play more nicely when the databases may be a few seconds behind each other | 21:38 |
| @preaction_ | lineage being the most egregious offender... | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I was looking at something that Chris mentioned about the Developer Best Practices | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it recommends using Tie::CPhash still | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | do you want me to take a first pass as the really bad stuff and have you follow up? | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or would you rather do it? | 22:07 |
| * perlDreamer will go eat lunch and give you time to ponder that deep philosophical question | 22:07 | |
| @preaction_ | go ahead, i've got bigger fish to fry right now | 22:10 |
| scrottie | nginx doesn't seem to have much in the way of docs on their main web site... | 22:16 |
| @preaction_ | no, it's at wiki.nginx.org i thingk | 22:22 |
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| @preaction_ | just like our server crashes of spring 2010 made me a damn expert in linux sysadmin, now does the mysql fiasco of 2011 make me a damn mysql expert :p | 23:48 |
| @preaction_ | note the positioning of the adjective "damn", this is not coincidence or chance | 23:48 |
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| elnino | OK!!! I'm ready for my next step. Does the yahoo api thingy that webgui use, have the ability to sort tables? and where would I look? or should I just use jquery? | 06:59 |
| elnino | of course it does. you use it all the time. Never mind. silly. look. | 07:02 |
| elnino | anyone here? | 08:14 |
| @preaction_ | nope! | 08:14 |
| elnino | gotta question about YUI | 08:15 |
| elnino | ok. | 08:15 |
| elnino | I got the YUI thing working,and I cansort my table just wonderfully. | 08:15 |
| elnino | except for a couple columns that have HTML in them. | 08:15 |
| elnino | I had to get rid of those. | 08:15 |
| elnino | but apparatnly YUI has some formater functions? but I cant seem to sfind if they have one to parse HTML properly. | 08:16 |
| @preaction_ | you could write a formatter that would just spit out the html directly | 08:16 |
| elnino | and none of the examples I see of theirs have this in their data. | 08:16 |
| elnino | well, that's too smart. | 08:16 |
| @preaction_ | elCell.innerHTML = oResponse["responsekey"] | 08:16 |
| @preaction_ | i think | 08:16 |
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| elnino | then my question is, is my javascript table in the correct format.. because I'm dealing with nested quotes and stuff. | 08:17 |
| elnino | do I need to escape them with \? | 08:17 |
| elnino | right now, the line of data looks like this: songfilelinks:"<a href="/aaam4a">m4a</a>", | 08:18 |
| @preaction_ | you probably just have to assign innerHTML, but i don't know, never did this | 08:24 |
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| elnino | preaction_ yes, you are correct but I also had to have single quotes around the data instead of normal quotes. Thanks! | 08:43 |
| elnino | Good night | 08:43 |
| elnino | btw, I tried just using single quotes eariler, but that didn't work. | 08:44 |
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| @frodwith | as near as I can tell, there's no way to get display images embedded with media:content with the SyndicatedContent wobject. Does that sync up with everyone else's experience? | 16:56 |
| @frodwith | s/get// | 16:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, looks like you're right | 17:26 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith: there are lots of RFEs about attachment handling in WebGUI, both for the creation of, and parsing and display of RSS feeds | 17:49 |
| @frodwith | xml::feedpp doesn't have any way of generically getting those types of things is the problem. "problem." | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | calls to the generic accessor won't work, or it plain won't work with things in the media namespace? | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | " There are NO native methods for any other external modules, such as media:*. But set() and get() methods are available to get/set the value of any elements or attributes for these modules." | 18:02 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r9de558d / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Fix changelog. - http://bit.ly/gccaUe | 18:07 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe2d078 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.10.11-7.10.12.pl : Fix typo in upgrade script sub name. - http://bit.ly/gLYqyQ | 18:20 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2195a7b / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove debug logging from www_editSave. - http://bit.ly/f818Tq | 19:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is great | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | IE won't encode UTF-8 URLs when making asyncRequests | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you encode the URI, then it will encode the %'s for you | 20:19 |
| Haarg | what version of ie are you talking about? | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | all of them | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | well, 6-8 | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I could try a YUI upgrade to 2.8.2 | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | lunch time | 20:51 |
| Haarg | perlDreamer, i can't reproduce that behavior | 21:07 |
| Haarg | unencoded URIs don't work, but encoded URIs are left alone | 21:07 |
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| @preaction_ | maybe it's only POSTs | 21:44 |
| @preaction_ | during XmlHttpRequest | 21:45 |
| @preaction_ | frodwith: everyone wants those features, if you're needing them. i believe elnino went so far as to add <media:> output to CS, but i don't know whatever became of that | 21:46 |
| Haarg | tested ie7 and ie8, GET and POST. same results. | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, knowing me and JS, I could have made a mistake | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | or two | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | or three | 22:03 |
| Haarg | how were you encoding the url? | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | encodeURI | 22:04 |
| Haarg | hmm | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | let me explain more | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/869764 | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | this is against i18n.js | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and most of the time, a URL is not set | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | so I used location.href as a default | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I should just use location.pathname instead.. | 22:05 |
| Haarg | well, if location.href is already uri encoded that won't work | 22:06 |
| Haarg | you could do something really hacky like encodeURI(url).replace(/%25/g,'%') | 22:09 |
| Haarg | i can't think of a good way to do utf-8 encoding only and leaving already escaped stuff alone | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | you could walk the string and manually encode given a character range | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | but I don't want to do that | 22:11 |
| Haarg | yeah, there are a few ways i can think to do it but they are all pretty shitty | 22:12 |
| scrottie0 | you guys are going to start calling me grinch. | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | are you serving roast beast? | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: the thing that really has me is that I don't get why YUI doesn't do this for us | 22:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's like I'm missing something really basic, and important here | 22:18 |
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| Haarg | it does seem like something that yui could handle | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | this seems to be working well: http://gist.github.com/869764 | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | however, the consequences of it are kinda scary | 22:25 |
| Haarg | why? | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it means reviewing all the JS and encoding all URLs that we use | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | The same guy who reported this also talked about Thingy | 22:26 |
| Haarg | wait | 22:26 |
| Haarg | encodeUri? | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:26 |
| Haarg | shouldn't it be encodeURI? | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I used | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | encodeURI | 22:27 |
| +perlDreamer | it's in the diff I sent | 22:27 |
| Haarg | Uri != URI | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/869801 | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, old version of the patch | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | -801 works | 22:28 |
| Haarg | so location.* values are in decoded form? | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | in checking FF 3.6.13 and IE8, yes | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | works in chrome | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | works in Safari (on Vista) | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll try IE6 next | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if there's going to be a problem... | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | However, like I was saying earlier | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if it affects Thingy | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | it'll touch everything else | 22:33 |
| +perlDreamer | including Survey | 22:33 |
| Haarg | does survey use ajax stuff? | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yaeh | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | everything in Survey is AJAX driven | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | uh | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the editing stuff for sure is | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and I think the form building stuff used in the survey is, too | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | however, now that I know how to make it happen | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's easy to trace | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe patspam did the right thing | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | or perlmonkey2 | 22:35 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | on IE6 I get double encoding | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on, it doesn't work on iE8 | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | lack of error pop-up does not mean success :/ | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, of course not | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | once the i18n passes, you have to fix the DataForm request URL | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | and so on... | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess the other problem is that the browser itself handles UTF-8 links | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it must just be the underlying JS engine that doesn't? | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, is the top-level WebGUI meta-object going away in 8? | 22:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the one that provides all the constants like pageURL, and so on? | 22:47 |
| @preaction_ | no, i plan on extending it to be better, but not going away | 22:48 |
| @preaction_ | and afaik it only gives you pageURL and extrasURL, that's it | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | firstDayOfWeek | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | and something else, too | 22:48 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just those 3 | 22:49 |
| @preaction_ | i may move things around to more closely mimick the perl API (WebGUI.session, WebGUI.asset, whatever) | 22:49 |
| @preaction_ | but it'll be backward compatible, as i have not deprecated anything yet | 22:50 |
| * perlDreamer hands preaction_ the pruning shears | 22:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | when you're done | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it needs to look like an octopus riding on a camel | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | juggling several software logos | 22:50 |
| +perlDreamer | this touches the Shop | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Account plugins like Friend Manager | 23:03 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r038001f / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/swaplist/swaplist.js : Remove dead code that used to be for the CodeArea. - http://bit.ly/gzcZ9a | 05:40 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd927f27 / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/form/groupManager.js : Code cleanup for groupManager JS - http://bit.ly/ijwXmJ | 05:40 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7b2ccde / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.12 release - http://bit.ly/f4N3Va | 05:40 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1e422f3 / docs/create.sql : | 05:41 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Revert "Preparing for 7.10.12 release" | 05:41 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: This reverts commit 7b2ccde17f40382a75fb980828d85e753a0b288e. - http://bit.ly/eG96v2 | 05:41 |
| +perlDreamer | no, sorry | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | wrong branch this week | 05:43 |
| +perlDreamer | it's supposed to be 7.9 | 05:43 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rd9f15bf / www/extras/yui-webgui/build/swaplist/swaplist.js : Remove dead code that used to be for the CodeArea. - http://bit.ly/iakizc | 05:56 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r1c69531 / t/Form/TimeField.t : Fix test to look for the correct # of input fields. - http://bit.ly/f5rEdz | 05:56 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rfd2f89e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.24 release. - http://bit.ly/ft3eHv | 05:57 |
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| CIA-68 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r55fc595 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.25 development. - http://bit.ly/hyq993 | 06:16 |
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| SDuensin | Ugh. Morning. | 15:31 |
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| newbie | hiya | 16:20 |
| newbie | quick question? | 16:20 |
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| Guest61071 | ? | 16:21 |
| Guest61071 | ah | 16:21 |
| Guest61071 | :) | 16:21 |
| Guest61071 | ok, quick question | 16:21 |
| Guest61071 | why isn't there an easy apt-get solution for webgui? | 16:22 |
| Guest61071 | on ubuntu 10.10 btw | 16:22 |
| Guest61071 | it's almost like a deliberately contrived process | 16:22 |
| Guest61071 | and yes, i still cant get it to work (via apt, or manually) | 16:22 |
| Guest61071 | anyone? | 16:23 |
| Guest61071 | hellooo..... | 16:23 |
| Guest61071 | and the forum/wiki searches yield zero help | 16:24 |
| Guest61071 | is is _really_ that hard that no one here knows? | 16:26 |
| Guest61071 | is it worth bothering with it? | 16:26 |
| ckotil | run a VM | 16:27 |
| @pbcj | it installs nicely on ubuntu | 16:28 |
| @pbcj | but ckotil is right, if you want to see what it's all about with almost no setup, I'd recommend downloading the VM appplicance | 16:28 |
| @pbcj | appliance, even | 16:29 |
| Guest61071 | theres no vmx file in the vm | 16:29 |
| Guest61071 | appliances are .vmx files | 16:30 |
| Guest61071 | and as for 'installs nicely on ubuntu'... ??!!! | 16:30 |
| @pbcj | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/VMWare%20Appliances/WebGUI%207.8.24%20WRE%200.9.3%20CentOS%205/ | 16:32 |
| ckotil | yeah, im running the VM on a centos5 box at home. vmplayer then navigate to the .vmx file using the GUI | 16:35 |
| Guest61071 | i'd rather avaid the vm anyhow, i have setup a linux box for the purpose... | 16:36 |
| Guest61071 | avaid=avoid... | 16:36 |
| Guest61071 | where's the nice ububtu install then? | 16:37 |
| ckotil | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pbwebgui/files/WebGUI%20Runtime%20Environment/WRE%200.9.3/ | 16:38 |
| ckotil | ubuntu or from source, i think. | 16:38 |
| Guest61071 | doesn't work, on 10.10 anyhow | 16:39 |
| @pbcj | by that I mean, I'm an ubuntu-er, and my first install using the directions went pretty smoothly, from source | 16:39 |
| ckotil | i built mine from source on a rhel5 box, bc i had probs with the rhel5 package | 16:39 |
| Guest61071 | i did ask for an easy way | 16:39 |
| Guest61071 | even the site recommends _against_ the source install for speed | 16:40 |
| @pbcj | easiest way... have plainblack host it for you ;) | 16:40 |
| Guest61071 | thats where i figured it was a deliberately contrived process... | 16:41 |
| @pbcj | no, it's an open source project | 16:41 |
| Guest61071 | and every other one has installed without any issues... | 16:42 |
| @pbcj | it's linux, there's always issues | 16:42 |
| Guest61071 | if they really want to spread the word they should make it easier to install | 16:42 |
| Guest61071 | never had many, other than a good few years back | 16:43 |
| Guest61071 | shearch the forums, i can just feel the despondency | 16:43 |
| Guest61071 | shearch=search... | 16:43 |
| Guest61071 | need coffee | 16:43 |
| * ckotil tabs away | 16:44 | |
| Guest61071 | thats a heavy appliance, it's coming in at 1.5gb... | 16:44 |
| Guest61071 | so, the appliance available to download is not really an appliance then | 16:45 |
| Guest61071 | available that is, on the webgui site download page | 16:45 |
| @pbcj | the link seems to need updating | 16:46 |
| Guest61071 | ... | 16:47 |
| Guest61071 | i would have tried the os x version of the wre, but i happen to have a 10.4 ppc box and the release is for 10.5 intel | 16:49 |
| Guest61071 | unless i go for the 2007 download... | 16:50 |
| Guest61071 | so, no takers for the ubuntu easy install? | 16:52 |
| Guest61071 | even the synaptic version poops | 16:53 |
| Guest61071 | figures | 16:57 |
| Guest61071 | well, thanks | 16:59 |
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| qwebirc23618 | hiya | 17:39 |
| qwebirc23618 | me again of the 'easy ubuntu install' question | 17:39 |
| qwebirc23618 | tried the centos vm: corrupted files | 17:39 |
| qwebirc23618 | so: i did the synaptic, didnt work | 17:40 |
| qwebirc23618 | i did the manual, it didnt work | 17:40 |
| qwebirc23618 | the vm on the site is no vm | 17:41 |
| qwebirc23618 | the centos vm is broken | 17:41 |
| qwebirc23618 | does _anyone_ have an easy ubuntu 10.x install?! | 17:41 |
| qwebirc23618 | that works!? | 17:42 |
| qwebirc23618 | c'mon, really? no-one? | 17:44 |
| qwebirc23618 | tried the 8.5 os x ppc version | 17:46 |
| qwebirc23618 | guess what: didnt work | 17:46 |
| qwebirc23618 | i haven't seen anything this bad to install | 17:47 |
| qwebirc23618 | correction, to not install | 17:48 |
| qwebirc23618 | i genuinely want to use this, as the online demo was the clincher. i was even considering going for the plain black agency hosting package, but these troubles just stink | 17:49 |
| qwebirc23618 | so i'm having second thoughts and have to trawl the net for something that works | 17:49 |
| qwebirc23618 | someone, convince me i'm wrong! | 17:49 |
| @pbcj | I should maybe clarify | 17:57 |
| @pbcj | it's not apt-get easy, but it worked the first time through. You can pull the ubuntu6 prebuilt wre and run a few commands and it should work. | 17:58 |
| @pbcj | then you can just git the latest copy of the front-end | 17:59 |
| @pbcj | there are some commands to run, but generally speaking the ubuntu install went easiest for me. once familiar with the software I also did a macosx install with relative ease. | 18:00 |
| @pbcj | however, if your intention is just to play with it, you can use the demo site ;) | 18:00 |
| @pbcj | http://demo.webgui.org/ | 18:01 |
| qwebirc23618 | i did the ubuntu6 too, followed everything to the letter, didnt work | 18:05 |
| qwebirc23618 | i already tried the demo, like i said, that was the clincher | 18:06 |
| @pbcj | what does "didn't work" mean? what the logs say? chances are it's just a matter of fixing whatever is wrong | 18:06 |
| qwebirc23618 | the "./wreconsole.pl" specifically | 18:08 |
| @pbcj | there's a few key points to running wre. make sure you did ". /data/wre/sbin/setenvironment.sh". run /data/WebGUI/sbin/testEnvironment.pl | 18:08 |
| @pbcj | also, check /data/wre/var/logs to see what wreconsole is failing on | 18:09 |
| qwebirc23618 | i did those, as stated in the wre install help page on the site | 18:16 |
| qwebirc23618 | i've just turned the linux box off, tired of trying most of today to get it to work | 18:17 |
| qwebirc23618 | that, and the unanswered requests i found in the forum search slowly ground on my persistence | 18:19 |
| qwebirc23618 | check this: http://www.webgui.org/etcetera/installing-webgui-on-ubuntu-10_04/3?pn=1#idx2XZvJFiVRJNOefJO1DXnA | 18:20 |
| qwebirc23618 | yes, that's the 'apt' version, still, all other queries meet with the same lack of a response | 18:22 |
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| qwebirc23618 | why is it so broken and not easy to install? all other stuff i've tested has worked with _no_ problems, none whatsoever | 18:25 |
| qwebirc23618 | this severely taints my even considering plain black hosting | 18:26 |
| qwebirc23618 | well, that's my answer then... | 18:31 |
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| ckotil | good riddance | 18:34 |
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| xdanger | has anyone had problems with tinymce popups not working? | 00:31 |
| @preaction_ | the full window popups? or did you change it to use the internal popups? | 00:31 |
| xdanger | both don't work | 00:34 |
| xdanger | the window popup doesn't get any content, only a "template" | 00:34 |
| xdanger | the inline popups don't insert the text, just reloads a empty popup | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | which browser, xdanger, and which version wG? | 00:36 |
| xdanger | 7.9.21, webkit + gecko browsers | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | webkit, like Safari? | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | or webkit, like KHtml? | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | er, Konqueror | 00:38 |
| xdanger | in chrome the popup window gets the content rendered, but it doesn't paste anything to the content area | 00:38 |
| xdanger | chrome + safari | 00:39 |
| xdanger | and I've tested with a webkit browser called stainless =) | 00:39 |
| xdanger | it works on a different site, on the same server | 00:40 |
| @preaction_ | no error messages? | 00:40 |
| xdanger | nope... I'll try upgrading the tinymce to 3.4 and see what that does | 00:43 |
| xdanger | jsconsole got: Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'apply' of undefined | 00:44 |
| @preaction_ | missing a function maybe? | 00:44 |
| xdanger | how? | 00:44 |
| xdanger | it's the same webgui installation =) | 00:44 |
| @preaction_ | i don't know, but apply() is a method of Function | 00:45 |
| xdanger | we'll with 3.4 tinymce it works | 00:46 |
| @preaction_ | that's good at least | 00:47 |
| xdanger | maybe there was an old version in my browser cache or something... | 00:47 |
| xdanger | how often do we upgrade tinymce ? or yui for that matter? | 00:47 |
| @preaction_ | only when necessary, really | 00:48 |
| xdanger | dam.. I have a different webserver with mod_proxy and for some sites it server the extras folder localy and for some it proxys the webgui servers folder | 00:50 |
| xdanger | that was the problem, my extras folder was left behind for a few versions | 00:50 |
| xdanger | but, it seems that tinymce 3.4 works just dropping it in =) | 00:51 |
| xdanger | but maybe I'll stick with the webgui sanctioned version | 00:51 |
| xdanger | 3.4 has a lot of fixes since 3.2.7 | 00:54 |
| @preaction_ | i'd stay with 3.4 personally | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | we're running 3.2.7 now | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | 3.4 has a lot of fixes, but there was a user running the Debian WebGUI, with a newer TinyMCE that couldn't insert international characters correctly | 00:57 |
| xdanger | I'll have to update the translations... the new paste as plaintext is better (no popup anymore) | 00:57 |
| xdanger | perlDreamer: was there some language that didn't work? Just triend arabic and scandinavian umlauts | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an open bug on the webgui bug tracker | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11357 | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | slovakian characters | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | however, we did rule the bug irreproducible and closed it | 01:05 |
| xdanger | "TinyMCE 3.0.5 while Debian Sid ships with TinyMCE 3.2.7." that is old bug and you've upgraded since | 01:07 |
| xdanger | sorry "WebGUI ships with TinyMCE 3.0.5..." | 01:08 |
| xdanger | in 3.3: Fixed bug where Input Method for non western languages didn't work correctly. | 01:09 |
| @preaction_ | sounds like we'll need to upgrade then | 01:12 |
| xdanger | debian has 3.3.8 | 01:16 |
| xdanger | you could btw. include the translations for tinymce fot languages that you include in webgui | 01:17 |
| xdanger | s/fot/for/ | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can try an upgrade, but not for at least a week | 01:47 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjo1, I have a git repo of the translations | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | now I just need time to change the translation server to use git system commands instead of svn | 16:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | time is going to be in short supply for a while though | 16:57 |
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| bartjol1 | aah, cool | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | well, only cool in that there's some progress, not that it's done yet | 18:17 |
| bartjol1 | progress is good | 18:17 |
| bartjol1 | but, I have to go | 18:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | argh! | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | wretched style designers | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I will find you and grind your lousy laptops into dust! | 20:35 |
| @preaction_ | derp? | 20:36 |
| sbaur | glad I'm not one | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I've spent 1 hour trying to debug a code issue with Search | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | when it's the hacked up search box in a style template | 20:36 |
| @preaction_ | ah, fun | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | time for lunch in PDX-land | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw | 21:04 |
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| scrottie0 | here too my stomach is telling me | 21:15 |
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| Haarg | thank you internet explorer for caching xhr requests no matter what headers are set, even if the method changes. | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | nice one | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | is that all IE's? | 23:20 |
| Haarg | ie8 is what i'm testing | 23:20 |
| Haarg | my favorite part is that it will give me the cached response to a GET request when making a POST request. even though POST requests can't be cached by spec. | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | well, technically it didn't cache a POST | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it cached a GET | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | at the risk of furthering my bigotry | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | it's classic Microsoft reinterpretation of rules | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | like that UTF-8 URL encoding thing | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | if it encodes through the UI, why not the backend? | 23:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | what the heck is s7.addthis.com ? | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | and why is it interrupting all my browsering? | 00:34 |
| sbaur | dns cache poisoning? | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the thing that adds the little bookmark app to a page | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and apparently s7.addthis.com is hung or something | 00:38 |
| sbaur | It's possible I've been reading too much security stuff recently... | 00:39 |
| scrottie0 | I think addthis is a company that gives other site operators a little "share this on facebook! share this on twitter!" toolbar to put on their site, and datamines, sets cookies and tracks end users using it | 00:42 |
| scrottie0 | at least that's the conclusion I reached when I actually looked at it | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's what I think too | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and apparently, both webgui.org and dev.mysql.com use it | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | which sucks, since s7.addthis.com is not working | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | and the page won't render otherwise | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe I can block it! | 00:45 |
| * scrottie0 runs NoScript by default | 00:46 | |
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| +danny_mk | Good day | 16:14 |
| +danny_mk | I am having a bit of trouble getting WebGUI8 from github. | 16:16 |
| +danny_mk | if I do a git branch I can see that WebGUI8 is my current branch | 16:16 |
| +danny_mk | when I try doing a "git pull" I get "You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you..." blah blah blah... | 16:17 |
| +danny_mk | not having time to become a git master I thought one of you could give me a quick hint on how to get a current version of WebGUI8 | 16:18 |
| +danny_mk | I use SVN and CVS, git is a little elusive at this time | 16:18 |
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| scrottie0 | hi danny_mk | 16:52 |
| scrottie0 | you want something like git branch webgui8 -r origin/webgui8 | 16:52 |
| scrottie0 | and yeah, git is highly idiomatic. | 16:53 |
| scrottie0 | it also does the least amount of work necessary so if you often have to tell it to do things. in this case, you're creating a branch and telling it to set that branch to track a remote branch. | 16:53 |
| scrottie0 | then you can git checkout webgui8, git pull, git push | 16:54 |
| +danny_mk | fatal: -a and -r options to 'git branch' do not make sense with a branch name | 16:54 |
| scrottie0 | oh. hang on. | 16:54 |
| scrottie0 | sorry, -t, not -r | 16:54 |
| scrottie0 | for --track | 16:54 |
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| * scrottie0 waves to perlDreamer | 16:54 | |
| +danny_mk | fatal: A branch named 'webgui8' already exists. | 16:55 |
| +perlDreamer | scrottie0! You're up early today | 16:55 |
| scrottie0 | I'm usually up early. I'm just not online for a bit. | 16:55 |
| scrottie0 | I'm going to make breakfast and feed chickens in a few here. | 16:55 |
| +perlDreamer | git checkout -b webgui8 --track origin/WebGUI8 | 16:55 |
| +danny_mk | fatal: git checkout: branch webgui8 already exists | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | git branch -a | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and see if you have one already | 16:56 |
| +danny_mk | * WebGUI8 | 16:56 |
| +danny_mk | remotes/origin/WebGUI8 | 16:56 |
| +danny_mk | I am assuming you only want to see those two entries | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | git checkout -b --track webgui8 origin/WebGUI8 | 16:57 |
| scrottie0 | ... or at least I don't admit to being around, quite often. | 16:57 |
| +danny_mk | fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches. | 16:57 |
| +danny_mk | I am starting to hate git :\ | 16:58 |
| +danny_mk | well, until I learn it :-) | 16:58 |
| +danny_mk | maybe a quick intro to answer questions during the next WUC would be in order | 16:59 |
| scrottie0 | perhaps delete your existing webgui8 branch unless you can checkout it and pull in it and see WG8 there | 17:00 |
| scrottie0 | unless perlDreamer is working on a command for you and wants us to hold off | 17:00 |
| * perlDreamer is tapped and on the phone | 17:00 | |
| +danny_mk | OK, deleting | 17:01 |
| +danny_mk | alright starting with a clean slate | 17:01 |
| +danny_mk | first step: git clone https://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 17:02 |
| scrottie0 | did you rm -rf the directory or just git branch -d? hoping the latter ;) | 17:02 |
| scrottie0 | but up to you | 17:02 |
| scrottie0 | okay | 17:02 |
| +danny_mk | nah, starting from scratch | 17:02 |
| scrottie0 | okay, I was wrong about the name... there's webgui-7.9 and then there's WebGUI8 | 17:03 |
| scrottie0 | git branch WebGUI8 -t origin/WebGUI8 # seems to be working for me | 17:04 |
| +danny_mk | git branch -a | 17:04 |
| scrottie0 | then git checkout WebGUI8 # does the pull | 17:04 |
| +danny_mk | * master | 17:04 |
| scrottie0 | git branch -r # should show WebGUI8 on the remote side | 17:04 |
| scrottie0 | or -a | 17:04 |
| +danny_mk | Switched to a new branch 'WebGUI8' | 17:05 |
| scrottie0 | for what it's worth, any time docs or people say "just do this command in git", it never seems to work for me. I learned git but corner people who knew it better than I did and harassing them until they managed to come up with a command that worked and then going back and trying to figure out why that worked when the others didn't. | 17:06 |
| scrottie0 | er, by cornering people | 17:06 |
| scrottie0 | git can get itself in a fantastic number of states. | 17:06 |
| scrottie0 | er, learned what I know of git. | 17:07 |
| +danny_mk | OK, I will buy you a few beers if I am ever at the same place | 17:07 |
| scrottie0 | haha, awesome. | 17:07 |
| +danny_mk | make sure you remind me as I am quick to forget what I say :-P | 17:08 |
| scrottie0 | creating little git repos from gist.github.com is a lot of fun, though. I have a few mini apps that live inside gist ;) | 17:08 |
| scrottie0 | the only thing I will ever remember about you is that you owe me a beer. I hope you're happy =| | 17:08 |
| +danny_mk | LOL | 17:09 |
| +danny_mk | scrottie0: Thank you for your help, got a working copy now. | 17:13 |
| scrottie0 | glad to hear. no problem. | 17:14 |
| scrottie0 | are you hacking on WebGUI8 or trying to deploy it? | 17:14 |
| +danny_mk | now if I could just get Image::Magick installed on my Mac that would be great! | 17:14 |
| scrottie0 | that's a dep that we'd all like to go away... | 17:15 |
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| +danny_mk | what are the options? | 17:15 |
| +danny_mk | it is a great tool | 17:15 |
| scrottie0 | someone was saying Cairo but I don't know the options well... I like to use NetPBM ;) | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I love Ubuntu, but this kernel upgrade every week thing is getting old | 17:21 |
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| plainhao | danny_mk: bash < <( curl https://github.com/maddox/magick-installer/raw/master/magick-installer.sh ) | 21:11 |
| +danny_mk | plainhao: did you actually get it to compile using that script? | 21:12 |
| plainhao | yep | 21:12 |
| plainhao | the sudo installation step will prompt you for your admin password | 21:12 |
| plainhao | so run it under a user with sudo privs | 21:13 |
| +danny_mk | OK, I will give that a try, been working on this installation for the last 4 hrs | 21:13 |
| plainhao | the only reason i can think of where it might barf is if you had macports previously install junk for you | 21:14 |
| plainhao | but i recently switched whole-hog to homebrew, macports was causing all kinds of badness for me | 21:14 |
| +danny_mk | I installed ImageMagick no problem but having all kinds of problems installing PerlMagick, hopefully this script will help | 21:15 |
| +danny_mk | running it now | 21:15 |
| scrottie0 | are you using the wre...? | 21:17 |
| +danny_mk | Nope | 21:18 |
| plainhao | why not? :) | 21:18 |
| +danny_mk | running WebGUI8 on my Mac, on the rest of the systems I do use the WRE | 21:18 |
| scrottie0 | if you were, I'd ask you some questions about how you were building things. | 21:19 |
| scrottie0 | that's all. | 21:19 |
| scrottie0 | feel free to comment on how you're building things anyway though. | 21:19 |
| scrottie0 | my Mac knowledge is limited. | 21:19 |
| +danny_mk | so is mine but I am learning, just got this system in Dec | 21:19 |
| ckotil | i bet that was a pain to build webgui8 from source not using hte wre. | 21:20 |
| +danny_mk | I am more of a Linux guy | 21:20 |
| scrottie0 | yeah, extrapolating from what I know about building stuff on Linux, I'm guessing ExtUtils::MakeMaker would likely need to be pointed at the libs and headers to get the Perl module to build against the shared library | 21:21 |
| +danny_mk | I never ran into major problems even when I did not use the WRE | 21:21 |
| +danny_mk | I actually installed it without WRE on one of our main servers because the "DBA" did not want to give me root access | 21:21 |
| +danny_mk | just installed mysql, configured apache and did the virtual host in apache thing | 21:22 |
| scrottie0 | locally, I have source installs of apache, mysql, perl, etc that I develop against when I am developing locally. | 21:24 |
| +danny_mk | Can't load '/Users/daniel/Downloads/ImageMagick-6.6.7-7/PerlMagick/blib/arch/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.bundle' for module Image::Magick: dlopen(/Users/daniel/Downloads/ImageMagick-6.6.7-7/PerlMagick/blib/arch/auto/Image/Magick/Magick.bundle, 2): Symbol not found: _AcquireCacheView | 21:40 |
| +danny_mk | Failed 27/27 test programs. 27/27 subtests failed. | 21:41 |
| +danny_mk | Why can't I ever catch a break? | 21:41 |
| plainhao | wow | 21:41 |
| plainhao | clear your LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 21:41 |
| plainhao | check your environment, eliminate any path variables that might confuse the installation | 21:42 |
| +danny_mk | ;ainhao: http://pastebin.com/Df1qefQe | 21:47 |
| +danny_mk | plainhao: http://pastebin.com/WmQ5rrQR | 21:49 |
| +danny_mk | look at both of those | 21:49 |
| plainhao | looks like you're using macports | 21:50 |
| plainhao | danny_mk: are you having trouble with perlmagick only? | 21:52 |
| +danny_mk | yes | 21:52 |
| +danny_mk | everything else works fine | 21:52 |
| +danny_mk | its just perlmagick | 21:52 |
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| +danny_mk | plainhao: sorry, got disconnected | 21:59 |
| +danny_mk | suggestions? | 21:59 |
| plainhao | danny_mk, try this: http://pastebin.com/x8sDEzcS | 22:01 |
| plainhao | i just noticed the without-perl option in the earlier script i forwarded | 22:02 |
| scrottie0 | one suggestion, if all else fails, is grab the WRE sources and see what the build script does. | 22:05 |
| @preaction_ | grab the WRE source from github, not from the tarball. the tarball is extremely out of date | 22:08 |
| +danny_mk | plainhao: http://pastebin.com/4FdrfEUJ | 22:08 |
| @preaction_ | er... that's your system perl, no? | 22:09 |
| +danny_mk | yes | 22:10 |
| +danny_mk | plackup uses: #!/usr/bin/perl | 22:12 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... Image::Magick seems to be fine when I use /opt/local/bin/perl | 22:15 |
| plainhao | probably both were built using /opt/local libraries | 22:17 |
| +danny_mk | OK, too many perl binaries on the system, may have to break down and install WRE | 22:17 |
| +danny_mk | really did not want to go that route but may be easiest option at this point | 22:17 |
| scrottie0 | make sure that you're running the Makefile.PL with the perl whose lib you want to install the module into and everything should be fine | 22:19 |
| scrottie0 | other than I remember Doug having some problems with library search path for shared libraries on OSX. | 22:19 |
| +danny_mk | syntax error at testEnvironment.pl line 441, near "$answer ~" | 22:22 |
| +danny_mk | trying to just run testPerl with /opt/local/bin/perl generates that error | 22:22 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm... I think I will just do all my webgui stull on a linux system, I will limit Perl development on the Mac for stuff that I can run without problems | 22:24 |
| +danny_mk | stull = stuff | 22:25 |
| scrottie0 | mmm, what does /opt/local/bin/perl -v say? | 22:26 |
| +danny_mk | This is perl, v5.8.9 built for darwin-2level | 22:27 |
| scrottie0 | $answer ~~ @answers ... that's awesome and great, but testEnvironment needs a 'use v5.010;' | 22:28 |
| scrottie0 | let's do that now. whee! | 22:28 |
| scrottie0 | ~~ is a 5.10 feature | 22:28 |
| +danny_mk | AH!!! | 22:29 |
| +danny_mk | hmmm.... failAndExit("Please upgrade to 5.8 or later! Cannot continue without Perl 5.8 or higher."); | 22:30 |
| +danny_mk | shouldn't that be updated? | 22:30 |
| scrottie0 | yeah. | 22:30 |
| @preaction_ | in 8, yes | 22:30 |
| CIA-68 | webgui: root WebGUI8 * rdf31c13 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : some naughty creature started using smartmatch so now the floodgates are open. unless someone closes them again. check for perl 5.10 instead of 5.8. - http://bit.ly/dS22N2 | 22:38 |
| scrottie0 | great. I committed as root. | 22:38 |
| +danny_mk | thanks for all your help guys, have to reboot my system. | 22:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | frontier has a big boo-boo | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | networkin in oregon is badly broken | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | random sites are being blocked | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | like that bookmarking place from yesterday | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | paypal | 23:01 |
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| +danny_mk | Not really sure I am liking this Mac as a development system. I have problems with Padre and many other assorted Perl stuff | 23:16 |
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| plainhao | danny_mk: you could run linux on it instead? | 23:39 |
| +danny_mk | yes I could do that too | 23:39 |
| @preaction_ | ubuntu works quite well on macs last i tried | 23:39 |
| +danny_mk | you mean virtual system or actually replacing the Mac OS with ubuntu? | 23:40 |
| @preaction_ | dual-booting OSX / Ubuntu | 23:40 |
| @preaction_ | you have to dual-boot because OSX is the only thing that can do firmware updates | 23:40 |
| * sbaur is confused again | 23:42 | |
| sbaur | on a 7.5.40 site, I'm trying to change the page users can go to for recovering passwords | 23:43 |
| sbaur | the page is reached by op=auth;method=recoverPassword | 23:43 |
| sbaur | now it seemed to me that that page's template should be chosen by the template in the settings for "Password Recovery Template" | 23:44 |
| sbaur | but I make a change there, and it doesn't seem to effect the form users see, | 23:44 |
| sbaur | or, I'm a dufus and didn't click save | 23:45 |
| sbaur | grrr | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | could also be in an uncommitted version tag | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | that's another popular one | 23:46 |
| sbaur | I think when I committed the version tag for the change, i just assumed it would work, not realizing, that it was on the default template and I'd changed a copy | 23:46 |
| sbaur | s/realizing/remembering/ | 23:47 |
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| @preaction_ | that might be a compliment, most of the time that does Just Work | 00:00 |
| @preaction_ | for assets, at least | 00:00 |
| @preaction_ | we might be able to do some crazy stuff so it works on settings too | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | too many ops/funcs etc | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | given a template namespace and a URL to find a definition()-like sub, we can do it | 00:01 |
| @preaction_ | for settings though, a template namespace would do it | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | the secret is to set "goBackToPage" | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that oughta do it | 00:02 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, i wrote that bit for the assets | 00:02 |
| @preaction_ | but it'd have to be fixed for Settings | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | you know, this is a quick read through | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but it should work | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | already | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, no | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 00:03 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, last i knew it specifically got an asset | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Settings has a definition though | 00:04 |
| @preaction_ | it would have to grep for op=editSettings, grab the settings definition, look for the template, fail to find it, look in Auth's editUserSettingsForm, fail to find it, look in Account's editUserSettingsForm, fail to find it, etc... | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | this just means that our introspection capabilities suck | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | or | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it means they suck | 00:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, have you ever tested Fork from an Asset with a UTF-8 URL, using IE? | 02:10 |
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| ekennedy | I'm trying to modify the definition of an existing WebGUI Asset. I've update the labels on a couple of fields and restarted modperl, however, the changes are not displayed on the objects edit screen. I would think it isn't be loaded but if I include an invalid statement in the code it fails with a compilation error when I try to view the object. Any suggestions why I might not see my changes to the object? | 03:42 |
| @preaction_ | ekennedy: did you edit the asset code directly? | 03:45 |
| @preaction_ | what asset exactly? | 03:45 |
| ekennedy | Yes. It is a custom Sku asset. | 03:45 |
| @preaction_ | dunno. pastebin code perhaps? | 03:47 |
| ekennedy | Would you expect that it could be related to the setting of "autoGenerateForms"? | 03:50 |
| @preaction_ | it could be, sure | 03:50 |
| ekennedy | Let me look at that. Funny thing is that the hover help and labels match what was originally in the code. I'll poke around some more. Thanks for the input. | 03:51 |
| @preaction_ | browser cache? | 03:51 |
| ekennedy | I've restarted modperl, cleared the webgui cache, and the browser cache. | 03:52 |
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| +bartjol | anyone wanna listen to my music open network stream http://host294.procolix.com:8000/usr/share/icecast2/wev/razo.ogg | 18:21 |
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| sbaur | in the password recovery template, (in 7.5.40 at least) there is a <tmpl_var recoverMessage> defined. How do I add something into this var? I searched the wiki without finding anything, and if it's in the help somewhere, it's not under password or recover. | 19:08 |
| scrottie0 | how do you add to the var...? | 19:09 |
| scrottie0 | whatever asset or account plugin that displays that template sets it... | 19:09 |
| sbaur | where can I supply text for it. If it's a var, seems like it should be coming from somewhere | 19:09 |
| sbaur | I edit it from settings | 19:09 |
| scrottie0 | what url brings this page up? | 19:10 |
| sbaur | any url with op=auth;method=recoverPassword in the query string | 19:10 |
| sbaur | seems like something was created on the backend that was never implemented on the front end, but, i'm not sure :) | 19:13 |
| scrottie0 | entirely possible... | 19:13 |
| scrottie0 | that kicks execution to WebGUI::Operation::Auth which kicks execution to WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI (probably; nothing else defines a the recoverPassword method)... that kicks over to one of two methods, www_emailRecoverPassword being one of them... it takes an optional argument and if it gets it, it sets that template variable to it. | 19:16 |
| scrottie0 | nothing that calls it sets that argument. | 19:16 |
| scrottie0 | around line 868 in WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI is this: $vars->{'recoverMessage'} = $_[0] if ($_[0]); | 19:16 |
| scrottie0 | making that come from settings would probably make more sense. | 19:17 |
| sbaur | were you checking in current codebase or 7.5.40? just so i know if I should file a bug, or if I need to do more research first | 19:17 |
| scrottie0 | current | 19:18 |
| sbaur | kewl, thanks | 19:18 |
| scrottie0 | no problem. it's probably the same in yours but it would be a good idea to look. | 19:18 |
| sbaur | it's not a huge deal, I'll just add text into the template. But it seems like a nice to have :-) | 19:19 |
| scrottie0 | most likely, the current design was intended for subclasses to override the method and add that... hrm. | 19:19 |
| scrottie0 | editing the template directly would make sense. | 19:19 |
| * sbaur wishing I didn't have to commit changes to the password recovery template to test them -- waiting for my template preview backport | 19:21 | |
| scrottie0 | I want the template diff feature! | 19:22 |
| sbaur | that would be awesome | 19:24 |
| scrottie0 | http://blog.reddit.com/2011/03/why-reddit-was-down-for-6-of-last-24.html # replication can fail in Postgres too... if your SAN malfunctions and loses writes. | 20:29 |
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| sbaur | scrottie0: looks like that tmpl var is used by the code if someone puts in a bad address. That's where the "We have no record of a user matching the information you have given" gets displayed | 22:10 |
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| scrottie0 | ah. okay, I was sloppy, as usual. one of the calls to that function does set it. | 01:02 |
| sbaur | I can't say it was named in a way to make that obvious, but oh well, I guess I can't have everything after all | 01:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:45 |
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| scrottie0 | yarrrrrrrrrr. | 19:35 |
| @preaction_ | yo ho me heartie! | 19:39 |
| sbaur | preaction_: The file you asked me to email is at http://pastebin.com/GqLk4H7r . When I tried to email it, it was rejected as spam. go figure :-/ | 20:14 |
| sbaur | everyone.net just hates me... | 20:15 |
| @preaction_ | sbaur: thanks, i'll get this to them | 20:17 |
| sbaur | thanks, and OMG is it annoying | 20:17 |
| sbaur | thank goodness for IRC | 20:17 |
| @preaction_ | did any more logwatches get marked as spam? | 20:18 |
| @preaction_ | or rather, did the ones after this one make it to you? | 20:18 |
| sbaur | nope, that seems to have been the last one | 20:19 |
| sbaur | but, they were making it to me fine, they just weren't making it to you and colin | 20:20 |
| scrottie0 | I have on my (personal) todo list to make an anti-spam-filter message encoding format to submit to the IETF as a standard. | 20:34 |
| scrottie0 | using a few dozen "safe" words such as meeting, office, carpool, billables and so forth, it would encode arbitrary messages. | 20:34 |
| scrottie0 | I worked for a company for quite a while doing video slots and video poker machines for the Vegas market. they outsourced email to Yahoo!. damned heck if we could ever get an email message through there. | 20:35 |
| @preaction_ | sigh, why is outsourced email only slightly less stupid and less work than hosting your own | 20:36 |
| scrottie0 | I was away from the computer all weekend... was starting to think this morning that I wouldn't be caught up on email until Wednesday. | 20:36 |
| scrottie0 | now I'm hungry and haven't accomplished a single damn thing. | 20:37 |
| @preaction_ | wow, you must get more e-mail than i do | 20:37 |
| scrottie0 | you'd think that these email companies would figure out that if they get a message back with an Message-Id, and it's to the person who sent the email that they generated the Message-Id for, and they haven't seen that Message-Id more than a few times, it PROBABLY isn't spam. | 20:38 |
| scrottie0 | er a message-id they generated | 20:38 |
| @preaction_ | or if the address the message is from has sent daily messages for 6 years and never been marked as spam? | 20:39 |
| scrottie0 | ... or other simple stats like that, yeah. | 20:39 |
| scrottie0 | email volume is temporary and related to a number of projects all starting at the same time. | 20:40 |
| @preaction_ | i prefer openbsd's spamd approach: greylist, tell them to try back in 4 hours, if they try back sooner, or don't try back within 48, blacklist them and set their bandwidth to 1bps | 20:40 |
| scrottie0 | as well as dangling nits from recent performance upgrades. | 20:40 |
| scrottie0 | greymilter, yeah. | 20:40 |
| @preaction_ | ah yes, i still have to set up proper monitoring of the slave situation | 20:40 |
| scrottie0 | that kind of runs afoul of my experimental sendmail replacement, which doesn't queue anything. it sits there trying to deliver it, and if it fails, it spits out all of the errors on stderr, which mutt faithfully displays to the user. | 20:41 |
| @preaction_ | but the slaves haven't desynced, which means the problem there is fixed | 20:41 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, temporary fails have to be handled :p | 20:41 |
| scrottie0 | I haven't implemented this yet, but ultimately, I want my sendmail replacement to attempt to deliver by authenticated IMAPS signons on the mail provider the mail was sent from... so it would take a list of accounts... google, yahoo, work, etc, etc... if you mail someone with a gmail account, it signs in there and emails locally rather than ever touching SMTP, if it can avoid it. | 20:43 |
| scrottie0 | sure the sender address might change but who cares. | 20:43 |
| scrottie0 | personal email was backlogged too. | 20:44 |
| scrottie0 | I've got something for you... just one minute... | 20:44 |
| @preaction_ | has anyone tested WebGUI with LWP 6? I keep hearing horror stories about the new stricter SSL requirements | 21:48 |
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| scrottie0 | stricker SSL requirements? it actually checks the cert now? | 21:54 |
| scrottie0 | stricter? | 21:54 |
| @preaction_ | it requires the certs have a chain of trust, yeah | 21:55 |
| scrottie0 | well, I hope they deprected the slop mode, but otherwise, sounds good | 21:56 |
| @preaction_ | i think there's a flag to restore the old mode | 21:57 |
| Haarg | there's an env var that can be set so it doesn't do the certificate checks, and if you don't install some additional modules it doesn't have the CAs to check against. | 22:03 |
| @preaction_ | but afaik if you don't have the CAs, it just fails out period | 22:03 |
| Haarg | if you install IO::Socket::SSL and Mozilla::CA it should work fine for any properly configured host | 22:03 |
| @preaction_ | even self-signed? | 22:04 |
| Haarg | no | 22:12 |
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| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r5e6483e / (4 files in 4 dirs): add lineage increment_step and _offset for multi-master DB clusters - http://bit.ly/hcDYGm | 01:27 |
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| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r2a519d5 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Group.pm): change group INSERT to REPLACE to prevent merge problems in multi-master DB clusters - http://bit.ly/eKpisj | 01:50 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0e48d22 / (2 files in 2 dirs): add 12078 Add alt tag to default Image template - http://bit.ly/hvSR05 | 01:57 |
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| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r5f090fe / (2 files in 2 dirs): | 02:27 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: fix 12077 Carousel update not possible | 02:27 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: We have to make sure the TinyMCE updates the underlying | 02:27 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: textarea before we grab the text from it - http://bit.ly/dVkLkQ | 02:27 |
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| @preaction_ | CIA-74: you like spam don't you? | 02:29 |
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| @preaction_ | er... how is t/Storage/utf8_filenames.t testing utf-8 filenames? the \x sequences are below chr(256), and perldoc perluniintro says that those are converted to 8-bit characters | 03:26 |
| @preaction_ | i have a test failure where the ? is converted to something that looks exactly like it, but is apparently a different character | 03:27 |
| @preaction_ | i would not doubt that OSX is doing it on me... | 03:29 |
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| scrottie0 | how much should I be afraid of rebuildLineage.pl ? | 03:58 |
| @preaction_ | not very, but do not run it while users are allowed to add things to the site | 04:00 |
| @preaction_ | it's got built-in sanity checks, it tries to make sure it can actually rebuild before it goes | 04:00 |
| @preaction_ | makes sure there's no circular references, and will put any orphans in a nice place | 04:00 |
| @preaction_ | but make a backup anyway | 04:01 |
| * scrottie0 nods | 04:01 | |
| @preaction_ | i will admit that last Monday morning when I ran it on alumni, i did not make a backup, but I do not recommend that I repeat my actions ;) | 04:01 |
| scrottie0 | some days we wear asbestos long johns, some days we wear chaps. | 04:02 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r35811a2 / t/Asset/File/Image.t : fix image rotate test to really test if it was rotated, not just "changed" - http://bit.ly/gEKVI7 | 04:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r906fa4a / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/rebuildLineage.pl): try to reconnect to the DB if rebuildLineage.pl takes a long time - http://bit.ly/f0jtC4 | 04:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rcdda20f / t/Storage/utf8_filenames.t : | 04:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: add better diag and fix test. | 04:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: I think OSX is altering the UTF-8 chars to a different codepoint on me. - http://bit.ly/eEMK41 | 04:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rb13064b / t/Macro/FilePump.t : clean up the FilePump bundle after the test - http://bit.ly/g4tO3h | 04:05 |
| @preaction_ | I think CIA-74 and I agree that I have been a busy little bee today! | 04:06 |
| scrottie0 | preaction_++ | 04:12 |
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| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r29b2b49 / docs/create.sql : preparing for 7.10.12 release - http://bit.ly/e5rSTl | 05:18 |
| -!- Radix_ changed the topic of #webgui to: [7.9.24-stable | 7.10.12-beta | WRE 0.9.3] Before you ask, check the wiki: http://wiki.webgui.org | Pastebin: http://webgui.pastebin.com | 05:58 | |
| +Radix_ | I keep updating the topic.. but one of these days I need to upgrade our webserver from 7.0.8-stable | 06:03 |
| +Radix_ | Assets: 7174, Packages: 3, Templates: 289, Active Sessions: 1010, Users: 17976, Groups: 2340 | 06:04 |
| @preaction_ | oh wow | 06:04 |
| @preaction_ | that shouldn't be too bad | 06:04 |
| @preaction_ | but wow, that's a bit old man ;) | 06:04 |
| +Radix_ | haha | 06:04 |
| +Radix_ | it's still working well - we've had no reason to change it or do anything with it | 06:04 |
| @preaction_ | that's good at least | 06:05 |
| +Radix_ | we update it for every software release.. and got users signing up for free academic versions and customers logging in for updates and whatnot all the time | 06:05 |
| @preaction_ | and if you're using Calendar in particular, there might be some unwelcome changes | 06:05 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rcd425b9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): preparing for 7.10.13 dev - http://bit.ly/gtC9Zu | 06:05 |
| @preaction_ | they're good changes, and they're fine changes, and together we're getting over this bad patch! | 06:06 |
| @preaction_ | AIE! The wound again! | 06:06 |
| +Radix_ | nah, don't use calendar | 06:06 |
| @preaction_ | then it's all additions, nothing really evil | 06:06 |
| @preaction_ | you'll pardon my question, but what is your business again? | 06:06 |
| +Radix_ | but I know all the assets will need to be revamped.. and we have some custom code for adding users via script | 06:06 |
| @preaction_ | that shouldn't be affected, the custom user script at least | 06:07 |
| @preaction_ | unless you're not using the API, then maybe | 06:07 |
| +Radix_ | https://www.formsys.com/ - We develop CAD/CAM for the marine and structural design industries | 06:07 |
| @preaction_ | 7.5 changed the userProfileData table schema | 06:07 |
| @preaction_ | oh nice | 06:07 |
| +Radix_ | nah, I used the api :) | 06:07 |
| +Radix_ | err.. cad cam software I meant tot say | 06:07 |
| @preaction_ | then the changes are transparent | 06:08 |
| @preaction_ | Rhino3d plugin even? I used that back when I was playing around with POV-RAY | 06:09 |
| +Radix_ | rhino's come along way since | 06:09 |
| @preaction_ | wow, they've changed their scope immensely since then | 06:09 |
| @preaction_ | but that was 12 years ago, i was freshman in high school :p | 06:10 |
| +Radix_ | it's more a competitor for us now, especially with it being so cheap, but we're more focused on ship design | 06:10 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, you've got the value-add for that stuff | 06:10 |
| +Radix_ | for our structural stuff we even do earthquake analsysis.. but who needs that eh? | 06:11 |
| @preaction_ | nobody anywhere ever, really. earthquakes are extinct like volcanoes and the dodo bird | 06:11 |
| @preaction_ | i see, so this is structural testing in software. very cool | 06:12 |
| +Radix_ | Yeah, checks your design against local steel design codes and generates a report, etc | 06:12 |
| +Radix_ | we support all the US codes, UK, EU, etc | 06:13 |
| +Radix_ | Well I'd better grab some lunch.. afk :) | 06:14 |
| @preaction_ | temperature maps for simulated stresses? wow | 06:14 |
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| +danny_mk | This is probably a FAQ and I am pretty sure I have asked it before but here it goes: How does one change the "content/type" on an asset (template/Macro/Wobject). | 17:56 |
| +danny_mk | $session->http->setMimeType('application/json'); does not seem to be the right answer | 17:58 |
| +danny_mk | If I include a macro that contains that code in an article I am sure the article mime type will come before the macro sets the mime type | 17:59 |
| scrottie0 | screw purl and perlbot and even screw gumbybrain... we need to talk to IBM about getting Watson in here answering questions. | 18:24 |
| scrottie0 | now, you aren't sending that (perl API call to WebGUI's API) to the browser as if it were HTML/JS, are you? | 18:25 |
| scrottie0 | "include a macro that contains that code"... you created a macro, right? | 18:26 |
| scrottie0 | in which case, it just isn't running early enough in the request | 18:26 |
| scrottie0 | and what's wrong with the text/html content type you get already? | 18:27 |
| scrottie0 | you could add a <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/xml"> to the extra head tags of the asset in its properties/edit screen but that may or may not work depending on the content type you're trying to go to, how it's being used, what browsers are fetching it, and so on | 18:29 |
| scrottie0 | otherwise, you need to subclass the asset | 18:29 |
| Haarg | using macros to run code as opposed to inserting or transforming text will almost certainly fail in many cases | 18:29 |
| Haarg | the way i'd generally go about returning something with a custom content type is to create a snippet, set its content type, and have it AssetProxy the content from somewhere | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | Yes, I created a macro | 18:30 |
| +danny_mk | OK, so set the snippet content type as part of the extra head tags right? | 18:31 |
| Haarg | no, snippets can set the content type directly | 18:32 |
| +danny_mk | alright let me try that | 18:33 |
| Haarg | trying to supply a different content type for an article does seem a bit weird though. what kind of content are you actually dealing with? | 18:33 |
| +danny_mk | JSON feeding to a YUI datatable | 18:33 |
| Haarg | but the information is in an article? | 18:35 |
| +danny_mk | OK, here it goes, first things first, I wanted to make sure the json part works firts. I created a macro that returns json | 18:36 |
| +danny_mk | I placed that macro in an article, the macro works fine and does return a json string but it is displayed in the article | 18:37 |
| +danny_mk | now, I will use a snippet instead and see if that works | 18:37 |
| scrottie0 | preaction has been bolting this stuff on to WebGUI... not sure if he's working on 7 or 8... adding base methods for fetching asset data as JSON and updating it and creating assets from spec... you might talk to him about beta testing his work | 18:38 |
| Haarg | ok. yeah, a snippet is what you want for that kind of thing. it will let you set the content type, and will serve content directly without wrapping it in a style template. | 18:38 |
| +danny_mk | OK, trying the snippet | 18:39 |
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| +danny_mk | Excellent, looks good so far. Thanks for your help. | 18:52 |
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| scrottie0 | heya pbcj. how goes stuff? | 19:51 |
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| ckotil | is there a newbie guide to creating content using the article asset, or something better so that it is easy for a new user (or me) to upload an image to the site with a SEO url? Id like to be able to then reuse the image elsewhere. ive been using webgui for a few years now and this simple task eludes me. | 21:01 |
| ckotil | the upload image form for the article asset just inserts a link to the image. doesnt let you (easily) integrate the image into the article asse.t | 21:01 |
| ckotil | and the insert webgui image button in the richeditor is no good because the user first has to upload the image into the media folder, or wherever | 21:01 |
| @preaction_ | most of the people i know have multiple folders they upload images to before using them with Article | 21:12 |
| ckotil | that's what we do now. but my users hate it | 21:12 |
| @preaction_ | but what you describe is one of the major problems I have with webgui as a CMS (specifically, as my personal blog) | 21:12 |
| ckotil | citing, too many clicks | 21:12 |
| ckotil | yeah. | 21:12 |
| @preaction_ | you do realize that URLs do not get parsed for keywords, right? SEO does not apply | 21:13 |
| @preaction_ | also, using the short URL causes a performance decrease right now, because we have not yet implemented X-Sendfile | 21:13 |
| @preaction_ | so it has to Redirect, which takes more effort than the /uploads URL | 21:13 |
| ckotil | yeah, and that's OK. bc the benefits of the SEO, at least when using the file asset outweigh's the performance hit. | 21:14 |
| ckotil | its great to use a single URL that will never go away. just update the file asset with your new image , and you're all set. | 21:14 |
| @preaction_ | right, but I just mentioned that SEO does not apply here | 21:14 |
| @preaction_ | and yes, that works to a point, but there are site performance optimizations that work best when the image URL changes if the URL itself changes: setting 10-year cache times, for example | 21:15 |
| @preaction_ | i do want to fix the number of clicks it takes to attach an image to a Rich Text Editor, but because it's difficult, not because of SEO | 21:15 |
| @preaction_ | the image will still be added using an /uploads URL, unless someone also gets to implementing X-Sendfile, which removes the performance problem, then we may try going back to using the asset URL for normal cases | 21:16 |
| ckotil | i think that change alone would really help webgui's acceptance among the 'easy to use' CMSs | 21:17 |
| @preaction_ | the abnormal cases being the 10-year cache times | 21:17 |
| @preaction_ | i agree ten thousand percent, i even know how i want to do it. if i can get to it is another matter entirely | 21:17 |
| ckotil | yeah. | 21:17 |
| @preaction_ | i imagine a WebGUI article that knows every file attached to it, every file is an asset, and you can quickly search and filter all attachments to all assets to find the one you want | 21:18 |
| ckotil | that sounds like a winner to me. | 21:18 |
| @preaction_ | i sometimes lump any random URL into the "attachments" boat, and now i even forgot what I thought that was brilliant at the time | 21:18 |
| ckotil | heh | 21:18 |
| @preaction_ | probably having to do with the Related Links area of the Event asset and getting rid of it for something more uniform | 21:19 |
| @preaction_ | because what is a Related Link but an Attachment as a URL instead of as a file. WebGUI could even precache that URL, if it's an image or file and not an html page, and show that to the user instead of the link | 21:19 |
| @preaction_ | ah yes, that was it | 21:19 |
| ckotil | ah. too much emphasize on performance and not enough on ease of use | 21:20 |
| @preaction_ | no, the ease of use bit is this: User enters a URL for a file, WebGUI grabs that file, makes a file asset, and attaches it to the Article | 21:22 |
| @preaction_ | no uploading required there | 21:22 |
| ckotil | ok, so it is easy. just not flexible. | 21:23 |
| @preaction_ | uploading is still possible of course, but if the file is already out on the web, the Internet is going to be much faster than your random residential internet | 21:23 |
| @preaction_ | huh? that's just the URL bit, the normal files work exactly as they would | 21:23 |
| @preaction_ | there would be a sidebar on the right side of the Rich Text Editor that says Attachments. There'd be two tabs or something: One for "This Asset" other for "All Assets", there'd be a text box to filter by keyword, and clicking would add the file in some way to the editor | 21:24 |
| @preaction_ | then at the bottom there'd be a way to add new, by either URL or upload | 21:24 |
| ckotil | yeah but to uplaod your own image to the system requires you to leave the edit article interface, create a file asset, uplaod the image. then go back to your article asset and reference the new file asset. tedious. | 21:24 |
| ckotil | oh this is your vision for the way it will work. not the way it currently works. i missed that part. | 21:25 |
| @preaction_ | right | 21:25 |
| ckotil | yeah, that sounds very useful. we need it! | 21:26 |
| ckotil | I wonder if my group uses webgui differently than anyone else? we have the public facing web stuff that everyone has, but also inline with that , there's a documentation system. Documentation that needs to be accompanied by images or even video become difficult to manage currently. because of too many clicks, and organizing said images and video to be referenced from the article/layout asset. | 21:27 |
| ckotil | the biggest pitfall of our current system is that it requires training for anyone to use it well. | 21:28 |
| @preaction_ | our two biggest clients (well, one, in two departments) use Kristi extensively for personal training. I use her for ideas and finding newbie hangups | 21:29 |
| ckotil | we're updating our website/doc system requirements right now. the big questions we have yet to answer are do we keep the combined website/doc system? (most likely) and, is there anything out there that will make creating documentation easier than webgui. | 21:30 |
| ckotil | im advocating sticking with webgui , and overhauling our templates to make it easier for users to manage documentation. | 21:31 |
| ckotil | it's gonna be tough. | 21:31 |
| @preaction_ | all the PB books that we've updated over the years are now available for free from http://webgui.org/user-guides | 21:31 |
| ckotil | yeah, but users have to read 'em. | 21:32 |
| @preaction_ | you're going to get that with any system, really | 21:32 |
| @preaction_ | but i will always be interested in ideas to make everything more intuitive | 21:33 |
| @preaction_ | 8, for example, has a far more intuitive approval/versiontag system | 21:33 |
| ckotil | ive done my best at abstracting away all of the webgui admin console qwerks. all of the 'add content' links are in the style templates. which then take you to the edit article/layout/file/whatever interfaces. but it's thins like having to add a file first, then add the article to reference that file which makes the system difficult to use | 21:34 |
| @preaction_ | in 8, the admin console and the asset edit page will be templatable, so that may help you out | 21:35 |
| ckotil | and for the version tag approval system, we use, no approval, just direct commits. and when there is a tag a user must commit. i throw up a huge 'COMMIT ME NOW!' button at hte top of the page. then emails go out after a week with an approval URL if they forget. | 21:35 |
| @preaction_ | though i will say that avoiding the AC entirely is not really going to help me make it better :p | 21:35 |
| ckotil | i use the AC all time. love it. | 21:35 |
| @preaction_ | there is an Auto Commit Immediately mode now, or doesn't that work for your purposes? | 21:35 |
| ckotil | well we like the commit messages | 21:36 |
| ckotil | have an rss feed on that to keep up with changes | 21:36 |
| @preaction_ | you can still have commit messages with autocommit, webgui just puts them right on the commit message screen | 21:36 |
| @preaction_ | at least it should, in the most recent version | 21:37 |
| ckotil | ah. i see commit automaticall. but we're doing multiple per user. | 21:37 |
| @preaction_ | 8 goes one step further: no more version tag modes, if you can approve content, you pick if the content is approved for commit right there as you save it | 21:37 |
| ckotil | the versioning stuff has been working out well. no big complaints there. | 21:38 |
| @preaction_ | multiple per user is the "default" version tag mode, the old one | 21:38 |
| ckotil | and we've even leveraged the approval workflow to manage weekly reports for various things. report is submitted to webgui via the api (well a cgi script), then a tag is created , emails go out, and users must approve the tag before it gets commited. | 21:39 |
| @preaction_ | on another note: our e-mail provider told me I am not allowed to have a log sent via e-mail to tell me that some forbidden domain has tried to spam me, because that log telling me that the forbidden domain is spamming me is itself marked as spam | 21:39 |
| ckotil | heh | 21:39 |
| ckotil | whitelist it? | 21:40 |
| @preaction_ | actually, yes, 8's Admin interface will help you a bit | 21:40 |
| @preaction_ | that is what I asked them to do, and that was their response to me | 21:40 |
| ckotil | yeah, any improvement to the approval/versioning would be good. tho the current system works nicely | 21:41 |
| @preaction_ | i wish more people shared your opinion of it :p | 21:42 |
| @preaction_ | but the templating of the edit screen and the asset helpers should assist you as well | 21:42 |
| ckotil | cool | 21:42 |
| @preaction_ | i think I made an RFE somewhere with my proposal for the Attachments thing, let me dig it up if you want to add to the discussion (of which there has probably been none) | 21:42 |
| ckotil | do you think Kristi would be able to point me to some newbie guides for adding content containing images/video? | 21:43 |
| ckotil | k | 21:43 |
| ckotil | i think since ive been using webgui for 3 years now , my method for doing simple tasks in webgui is very differnet from a new users. | 21:43 |
| @preaction_ | i don't know, for all the work I do I spend very little time actually using webgui, which is why I rely on her and users like you to tell me when the UI sucks | 21:46 |
| @preaction_ | as i tell everyone else, i spend 14 hours a day in a text editor | 21:46 |
| @preaction_ | which reminds me, those other 2 hours are spent getting food and coffee! | 21:47 |
| ckotil | heh, do it. | 21:48 |
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| scrottie0 | start to feel like this after a while? I know I do. http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/playpen.jpg | 21:51 |
| @preaction_ | yes, i tend to act out when that happens: add some bell or whistle that solves some pet peeve of mine | 21:52 |
| @preaction_ | or today, i'm gonna do this: http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/12079 it'll take 10 minutes, and it's a good idea | 21:52 |
| scrottie0 | I meant with respect to being couped up at the computer, not hampered by WebGUI. | 21:52 |
| @preaction_ | either way | 21:52 |
| @preaction_ | otherwise cooking, making a big production out of it, tends to help me stay the hell away from the screen for a while | 21:53 |
| @preaction_ | trying to perfect a recipe for french toast right now. needs more vanilla i think | 21:55 |
| ckotil | fyi , new webgui users. http://noc.nwave.noaa.gov/ | 22:01 |
| @preaction_ | ooh! we can add NOAA to our list? | 22:02 |
| ckotil | we let the NOAA web developers create the templates and everything. the intergration with the rest of sites is a little wonky, but it works OK | 22:02 |
| ckotil | Im not sure. | 22:02 |
| ckotil | I could check with the managers. | 22:03 |
| ckotil | tho, since this site is public facing, you guys could pry do a screen cap, and call it a day. | 22:03 |
| @preaction_ | eh, if you have an e-mail address i can forward to tavis (sales@plainblack.com) that'd be enough. we're also usually looking for success stories and the like, though i'm not sure if his new duties allow time for that anymore | 22:04 |
| ckotil | our main site is up there. http://globalnoc.iu.edu | 22:04 |
| scrottie0 | which new duties are these? | 22:09 |
| @preaction_ | Project Manager | 22:10 |
| scrottie0 | fg | 22:10 |
| scrottie0 | fg | 22:10 |
| scrottie0 | argh, curse you, ptty! | 22:11 |
| @preaction_ | ^Zdisown\n | 22:11 |
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| scrottie0 | after extensive research, I have purchased four pieces of hardware related to skype. This is one of those "I'm going to hell for this" things. | 22:16 |
| * scrottie0 sighs | 22:16 | |
| @preaction_ | good wow god | 22:16 |
| scrottie0 | quite often I wonder what the heck I'm doing in the technology sector. | 22:16 |
| scrottie0 | I can barely operate Lego bricks. | 22:16 |
| @preaction_ | join the club man | 22:16 |
| @preaction_ | every cellphone anyone ever gives me just baffles me | 22:17 |
| scrottie0 | I had a turn-of-the-cellphone-century Nokia with a black and white screen that worked fine but it got smashed (which is _hard_ to do) so I'm back on the Motorola phone I got because it offered GPRS tethering. It's also a dino but it's color. Miserable. | 22:20 |
| scrottie0 | it's a flip phone but it has side buttons that change the ringer. | 22:20 |
| scrottie0 | it's always a crap shoot whether it's super extra loud or completely off. | 22:20 |
| scrottie0 | I could go on for hours for about the miserable misfeatures and general idiocy of the user interface but I'll leave it at that. | 22:20 |
| @preaction_ | i might get labelled a fanboy, but the only cellphone interface i've seen and actually enjoyed was the iphone | 22:21 |
| scrottie0 | I want to learn Spanish just so that I can find out why the heck I get two or three wrong numbers from Spanish speakers. | 22:22 |
| scrottie0 | er, a day. | 22:22 |
| @preaction_ | it's cheaper to re-use old numbers than issue new ones? | 22:22 |
| scrottie0 | in general, I hate cell phones. | 22:23 |
| scrottie0 | which is a major reason I don't own a nice one. if it didn't get smashed on accident, it would happen eventually on purpose. cell phones are barely above alarm clocks in my view. | 22:23 |
| @preaction_ | i hate what they are becoming: the new Ma Bell, along with the most personal object people carry with them everywhere | 22:24 |
| scrottie0 | yeah. I miss my two way pager. I'm always trying to figure out how I can arrange to get by with just that. it was awesome. you call an 800 number. a human picks up and transcribes the message. I get a page that isn't a mangled translation. | 22:25 |
| scrottie0 | they even learned the correct capitalization of various pieces of technology I was being paged about. | 22:25 |
| scrottie0 | now they have an SMS gateway running so I could text from my two way pager. all I have to do is ditch the cell! | 22:26 |
| scrottie0 | and of course there's the email gateway, still. | 22:27 |
| scrottie0 | if present attempts at making skype portable fail, I'll go for a cheap, small Android tablet or an iPod Touch. | 22:33 |
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| ckotil | preaction: Kristi pointed me at the upload images in the webgui collateral image manager. this could work with a slight mod. I need to have it allow uploading of images anywhere on the site (well almost anywhere), and not just the /root/media folder. | 15:27 |
| ckotil | however , not being able to add metadata for the images uploaded via the collateral image manager is limiting. | 15:28 |
| ckotil | I may have to try and hack that in there. | 15:28 |
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| @khenn | yay back on IRC! | 16:46 |
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| sandraqu | hello. is there an session.var.AdminOff ? or a tmpl_if NOT ... ? | 18:32 |
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| @khenn | sandraqu: <tmpl_unless > | 18:42 |
| sbaur | she already left | 18:42 |
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| @khenn | ah well, I tired | 18:43 |
| @khenn | tried even | 18:43 |
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| ckotil | in WebGUI 8 with the introduction of templating the admin interfaces, will it be possible to add a metadata field ot the file pile asset? or would that require more work in the backend? | 19:18 |
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| @preaction | that'd require work on the backend | 19:21 |
| @preaction | and honestly, File Pile needs to die | 19:21 |
| ckotil | heh. k | 19:21 |
| @preaction | a better JS-based interface would probably be faster and easier and allow for extending | 19:24 |
| ckotil | and the ability to bring it inline with layour/article/etc.. assets. | 19:25 |
| @preaction | yes | 19:25 |
| @preaction | how often does one really upload files when they're not editing other content? | 19:26 |
| ckotil | depends on the audience. | 19:28 |
| ckotil | but for normal users, rarely. | 19:29 |
| ckotil | tho, the way I use webgui, i store images/files outside of /root/media, so file pile is pretty much a requirement. | 19:30 |
| ckotil | which requires first uploadng the image, then editing the image to add metadata (tags, summary, content profile fields) | 19:31 |
| @preaction | there should be a regular Image in the new content list | 19:31 |
| ckotil | make it more generic, to support other file types | 19:32 |
| ckotil | which takes you back to file pile replacement | 19:32 |
| @preaction | there should be a regular File in the new content list too | 19:33 |
| ckotil | im digging this Collateral Image Manager. | 19:40 |
| ckotil | hacking away. | 19:40 |
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| @khenn | this is a bit OT but does anyone know where you handle user input errors in a true MVC framework? | 19:56 |
| @khenn | I think it's in the controller | 19:56 |
| @khenn | but not positive | 19:56 |
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| @preaction | Model should probably bitch | 20:06 |
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| @preaction | so if the model sees bad data, it should throw and controller should catch | 20:09 |
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| elnino | is this http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/multiple-sites-/-different-webgui-versions-on-one-system explaining how to do more than one site with one mysql database? | 20:19 |
| sbaur | more or less, yes. We have that setup on one of our servers | 20:23 |
| elnino | ok that's what I thought, there are pros and cons to this, and I wanted to make sure that people understand those before making this decision. | 20:23 |
| elnino | so I wante to make sure I had the right wiki. | 20:24 |
| sbaur | though, in my mind, the bottom section of the article, about 2 versions of webgui should be it's own article | 20:25 |
| elnino | that's what I thought too, I didn't think it was realted, but in a sense it is, it's a "pro". I thought at one point there were two wikis. | 20:25 |
| elnino | so that's why I was kinda confused. | 20:25 |
| elnino | ok. I hope my pros and cons make sense. feel free to modify I tried to make sense. client has it installed this way, and I hate it! | 20:34 |
| @preaction | we could make webgui share more data between sites | 20:36 |
| @preaction | like users, settings, workflows, etc... | 20:36 |
| elnino | well, it's the urls that are the problem. | 20:37 |
| elnino | "go back home" goes to /home | 20:37 |
| @preaction | exactly | 20:37 |
| elnino | which is only for the site I'm not working on. | 20:37 |
| @preaction | so if there were two webgui sites that just shared everything except assets, there wouldn't be this problem | 20:37 |
| elnino | right. I dont' think it's worth it. | 20:38 |
| elnino | in my opinon. | 20:38 |
| @preaction | i've also thought about having a "Site" asset or something. or perhaps treating any Layout under /root as a "Home Page" | 20:38 |
| @preaction | i think there are a few other RFEs for potential solutions | 20:38 |
| elnino | I guess I really don't see the benes of sharing, unless one is doing it because they are doing a bunch of "landing pages" (ie: one page sites) | 20:39 |
| elnino | but if they are separate companies, separate products, separate content. | 20:39 |
| elnino | I see no value - at least I'm not convinced yet. | 20:39 |
| elnino | just makes one big db. | 20:39 |
| sbaur | we do it to share a userbase, and the sites are related, and structured very similarly, it's just that one is math, and the other English | 20:40 |
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| sbaur | and I use apache redirects to have diferent "home" pages for the sites | 20:41 |
| elnino | see, yep, if they are related sites I can see some benefits, but just the "go back home" link used everywhere in webgui would drive me nuts. or did you get around that some how? | 20:43 |
| * elnino goes to lunch quick | 20:43 | |
| sbaur | *heads to lunch too* | 20:44 |
| * preaction stands alone, hi-ho-the-derry-oh | 20:46 | |
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| daniel_b | Hello. Where is the git repo for webgui 8? | 20:52 |
| @preaction | it's a branch in the github, WebGUI8 | 20:53 |
| daniel_b | Great, thanks. | 20:53 |
| elnino | so, sbaur, did you figure out a way to fool the "go back home" link in webgui's ui? | 21:32 |
| sbaur | the apache redirects take care of it | 21:49 |
| sbaur | and, it's only our small group that ever see it. Our users do not see most of the UI | 21:50 |
| sbaur | and very few of them see any of it | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | for anyone with working knowledge of versioning: If we change to using a "currentRevisionId" field in the asset table to choose which revision instead of a subselect MAX(revisionDate), would there be any crazy problems? | 23:22 |
| @preaction | I can't see any, except in the rare cases where MAX(revisionDate) != currentRevisionId, and then only in custom SQLReports for assets | 23:23 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to figure out the work involved, i think it would be relatively simple, but i keep doing that and getting caught in some edge cases i never expected | 23:24 |
| @preaction | reminds me, I should get rid of WaitUntil and set up a periodic task to check for post-dated version tags | 23:26 |
| scrottie0 | if there are crazy problems, it's because something else is pathological and needs to be fixed. | 23:30 |
| scrottie0 | I'd be curoius to hear what the edge cases are. I won't say they don't exist. | 23:31 |
| scrottie0 | and, yes. | 23:31 |
| scrottie0 | I think that's a rule of programming: never check every time if you can check periodically, and never check periodically if you can intercept the appriopriate event. | 23:31 |
| @preaction | it's worse: WaitUntil leaves a running workflow until the time of the tag is ready, and if it has expiration, until the tag expires | 23:32 |
| @preaction | running workflows are checked rather often by comparison to a scheduled task that can be altered to check at whatever interval you want | 23:33 |
| scrottie0 | huh. | 23:33 |
| @preaction | it's an extremely artificial way of adding a delay to a commit | 23:33 |
| @preaction | and it requires the stars to align, your commit workflow to actually do the wait, etc... | 23:33 |
| @preaction | instead, any Commit workflow could say "Not time yet, fuck you, i'm quiting" | 23:34 |
| @preaction | and a later workflow could say "Bring unto me the tags who are pending commit and have past their time" | 23:34 |
| @preaction | and then run the version tag's workflow again | 23:34 |
| scrottie0 | I know this is #WebGUI, but could we please talk about something else? This is making me kind of uncomfortable. | 23:36 |
| @preaction | er... so how about those Cubs? | 23:38 |
| scrottie0 | I'm not sure why I keep paying money to the mafia to intimidate them so that I can bet against them without worry. It seems so unnecessary when I say it. | 23:39 |
| @preaction | eh, mafia are people too, and in chicago, they need all the money they can get | 23:39 |
| scrottie0 | I wonder if the mafia does birthdays. That would be kinda awesome. | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | Let's mafia things up a bit. Joey burn down the ship. Clamps burn down the crew. | 07:59 |
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| virgomoon | I've been fighting something most of the morning that perhaps someone here can help me with. I've created a new template which seems to be working well so far, but when I turn on the Admin, all the admin functions are up at the top of the page unformatted. I noticed in one of the crystalx style files, there are 'extra' head files (some script and stylesheets, as I recall). Is there any documentation on what files I need to reference to convince the adm | 19:32 |
| virgomoon | in bar to behave? | 19:32 |
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| scrottie0 | you're changing the site style? I'd suggest copying and modifying, keeping existing stuff, unless you know what it is | 19:41 |
| virgomoon | like completely copy one that is given and drop in my own css/html? | 19:46 |
| virgomoon | no, that just makes too much sense, lol | 19:46 |
| scrottie0 | and take stuff out too... but only if you can figure out what it is ;) | 19:46 |
| virgomoon | yeah, let me try that route .. thx, scrottie0 | 19:47 |
| scrottie0 | sure. | 19:47 |
| scrottie0 | let us know how it goes. | 19:47 |
| virgomoon | will do .. once I find the motivation | 19:48 |
| scrottie0 | YOU CAN DO IT! | 19:48 |
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| @pbcj | besides the padre plugin, which did not cooperate too well, are there any other external asset editors? | 20:54 |
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| @preaction | wgd edit | 21:06 |
| @pbcj | heh, awesome | 21:13 |
| virgomoon | hmph .. same problem, scrottie0 .. I'm obviously doing something wrong here, lol | 21:14 |
| @preaction | virgomoon: when you turn admin on, there should be another CSS file, adminBar.css iirc | 21:18 |
| virgomoon | inserted in to the <head>? | 21:18 |
| @preaction | make that "macro/AdminBar/slidePanel.css" | 21:18 |
| @preaction | yes | 21:18 |
| virgomoon | k .. lemme poke around a sec | 21:18 |
| @preaction | that gets automatically inserted into head when the ^AdminBar; macro gets run while Admin Mode is on | 21:19 |
| @preaction | your style also needs an ^AdminBar; macro in it too | 21:19 |
| virgomoon | that, it has | 21:19 |
| @preaction | if it doesn't have one already | 21:19 |
| virgomoon | yea, I've got the ^AdminBar; in there right under <body> .. but no slidePanel.css that I'm seeing | 21:20 |
| virgomoon | in the rendered page, I mean | 21:20 |
| @preaction | is Admin Mode on? | 21:20 |
| virgomoon | yes | 21:20 |
| virgomoon | let me double-check, though | 21:20 |
| virgomoon | ya .. admin's on, but no slidebar.css | 21:20 |
| @preaction | the admin stuff won't show up at all if it's not, the AdminBar macro absolutely checks | 21:20 |
| @preaction | okay, are there any html/css errors in your style template? use the w3c's validator to check | 21:21 |
| virgomoon | would that kill the addition of the slidebar.css? | 21:21 |
| @preaction | that could, yes | 21:21 |
| virgomoon | that's possible .. let me check that | 21:21 |
| virgomoon | the site I jacked this template from had the 'transitional' xml designator, so there might be | 21:22 |
| @preaction | what would <link rel="stylesheet" href="something"<link rel="stylesheet" href="the_right_thing.css"/> <- get parsed as? who knows | 21:22 |
| @preaction | or <style type="text/css"><link...><body> <- dunno | 21:22 |
| virgomoon | I got a couple errors .. things like "there is no attribute 'color'" .. it's using a <font color+"__"> tag .. think that would break it? | 21:25 |
| @preaction | probably not, but you should most likely fix them anyway | 21:25 |
| @preaction | do you have a URL i can look at? | 21:26 |
| virgomoon | agreed | 21:26 |
| @preaction | has anyone edited to code on your site? | 21:26 |
| virgomoon | just me | 21:27 |
| virgomoon | I PMed you the link | 21:27 |
| @preaction | uh. why did you remove the <meta name="generator" from the head tags? | 21:27 |
| virgomoon | guess that's important, eh? | 21:28 |
| virgomoon | lol | 21:28 |
| @preaction | no, but some of the other stuff in there is | 21:28 |
| virgomoon | k .. let me backtrack and put the meta tags back in from the crystalX style | 21:28 |
| @preaction | iirc, in Session/Style.pm, there's a <!-- more head --> that eventually gets replaced | 21:28 |
| @preaction | no, the only way to... wait | 21:29 |
| virgomoon | k | 21:29 |
| @preaction | you need a <tmpl_var head.tags> in your style template | 21:29 |
| virgomoon | and that would've been in the original crystalX template I used? | 21:29 |
| @preaction | yes | 21:29 |
| virgomoon | so when I deleted that I dorked it up .. gotcha | 21:29 |
| virgomoon | thank you so much .. let me go poke around some | 21:30 |
| @preaction | <tmpl_var head.tags> and <tmpl_var body.content> are the two required parts of a style template | 21:30 |
| @preaction | http://www.webgui.org/design/wiki/how-to-give-webgui-your-own-style <- best resource I know of on how to do this | 21:30 |
| virgomoon | ya, I thought I'd read that thoroughly enough .. evidently not | 21:31 |
| @preaction | some of it might be out-of-date, webgui does auto-commit for you by default now | 21:31 |
| virgomoon | I should probably do it sober, though, lol | 21:31 |
| virgomoon | there is a limit to that whole Ballmer Peak thing | 21:31 |
| @preaction | yeah, i've always preferred nicotine and caffiene when coding | 21:31 |
| virgomoon | oh, that's MUCH better, lmao | 21:32 |
| @preaction | which reminds me, i gotta go find those ecig things. nicotine vaporizer, no smoke/smell, smaller health risk | 21:32 |
| virgomoon | thank you so much, preaction | 21:32 |
| ckotil | a buddy of mine was talking about the ecig recently. how there's a deal going on , its about $200 up front but you will be smoking for a few months on that supply | 21:33 |
| ckotil | 'smoking' anyway | 21:33 |
| @preaction | hm... $200 eh... maybe i won't be going to find them :p | 21:34 |
| ckotil | you know you spend that much in a few months anyway | 21:34 |
| @preaction | i don't smoke anymore. when i did, it was a pack a week | 21:35 |
| ckotil | well i dunno how much you smoke. but a pack a day would definately spend that much | 21:35 |
| @preaction | of ultralights even :p | 21:35 |
| @preaction | yeah. they got up to $60 a carton up here now, because you can just tax the heck out of smokers as much as you want, they don't mind, and if they do, it's good for them to quit anyway | 21:36 |
| ckotil | yeah, its crazy. | 21:36 |
| @preaction | i quit for my health, sure, not the cost, it just seems disingenuous to keep something legal and then prevent all consumption of it, or make people go through hell to get it | 21:36 |
| ckotil | the duty free shops in the caribean sells em for $25 a carton for marlboro. my friends were all stocking up. | 21:37 |
| @preaction | especially considering smoking is just annoying, whereas drinking is actually dangerous to others :p | 21:37 |
| @preaction | heh, nice | 21:37 |
| scrottie0 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&nfpr=1&sa=X&ei=16KLTenzC5G8sQOHueGFCQ&ved=0CEwQBSgA&q=cigarette+fertilizer+radioactive | 22:03 |
| scrottie0 | re: health and cigarettes | 22:03 |
| scrottie0 | tl;dr: grow your own or buy organic. | 22:03 |
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| @khenn | perl question | 23:31 |
| @khenn | if I have a subroutine that accepts input like this: | 23:31 |
| @khenn | my ($self, @args) = @_; | 23:31 |
| @khenn | and @args coming in is actually a hash | 23:31 |
| @khenn | is there a slick way to get the items assosiatively? | 23:32 |
| @khenn | I know I can do $args[1], $args[3] etc | 23:32 |
| @khenn | I'd rather do $args{'date'} | 23:33 |
| @khenn | but if you declare it as an array, it doesn't like you referencing the thing as a hash | 23:34 |
| @khenn | I think I can do my %args = @args | 23:34 |
| @khenn | and that might work | 23:34 |
| @khenn | scrottie0 I'm sure you know | 23:36 |
| @khenn | i'm betting frodwith knows too =) | 23:36 |
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| @pbcj | I have a bunch of HTML being based back into a JS block as: var string = "<htmlstring>" | 00:00 |
| @pbcj | JSON->new->encode is not getting the job done... it breaks the page.. I'm guessing quoting issues | 00:01 |
| @pbcj | is there a better option for js-string-encode( this ) | 00:01 |
| elnino | something spookey is happening. do sitemaps.xmls get automatically generated in webgui? | 00:04 |
| scrottie0 | khenn, you mean like so: perl -e 'sub foo { my($x, %stuff) = @_; print $stuff{color}, "\n"; } foo(1, mood => "edgy", color => "red");' | 00:15 |
| elnino | I guess they do. | 00:15 |
| scrottie0 | pbcj, I don't know about var string = "<tmpl_var html_string>" but var string = <tmpl_var json_string> should work... the JSON should be nicely quoted as far as JavaScript is concerned | 00:16 |
| @pbcj | yeah, I think it's a </script> in the string =( | 00:17 |
| scrottie0 | pbcj, you can make a request back just to fetch the JSON datastructure in its own request but if the only objection to the current design is that it isn't working, I'd be inclined to investigate why and fix it | 00:17 |
| scrottie0 | want to paste into gist.github.com the page source? | 00:17 |
| scrottie0 | JavaScript doesn't give any special meaning to </script> when it appears inside quoted strings | 00:18 |
| scrottie0 | document.write('</script>'); # no problemo! | 00:18 |
| @pbcj | hrm | 00:18 |
| @pbcj | well, when I regex out the < and > it stops breaking | 00:18 |
| scrottie0 | or maybe I'm wrong. hmm. still, without that regex, I could offer something slightly better than a guess if I saw the HTML+JS | 00:20 |
| scrottie0 | +JSON | 00:20 |
| @pbcj | cringe | 00:21 |
| @pbcj | https://gist.github.com/886025 | 00:21 |
| @pbcj | It's sortof a non issue, right now the stuff that's getting put in the string in massively overkill, I need to replace the default template.. but still, I'd like to know it works no matter what | 00:22 |
| @preaction | uh, one of those points has a doctype in it. that's not legal | 00:23 |
| scrottie0 | you aren't kidding... there are <script> tags inside the JSON strings. | 00:23 |
| @preaction | i might mention that this problem is why i suggested <iframe> instead | 00:24 |
| @pbcj | you might, but likely you're too humble | 00:24 |
| @pbcj | none the less, it is a non issue, making the correct template will solve it... and now it's just a gotcha. unless you would like an iframe, which I could do if bribed. | 00:25 |
| @preaction | khenn: yes, that is perfectly legal: %args = @args, provided of course @args has an even number of elements, and Perl will warn you if it does not | 00:25 |
| @preaction | pbcj: no, it's most likely too late to back out now. they want what they want. | 00:25 |
| @pbcj | roger, well, we now have a macro to render thing data against a given template | 00:26 |
| @preaction | and there's really half-dozen ways to do it | 00:26 |
| @preaction | macro is one, but be careful because macros can break quite easily | 00:26 |
| scrottie0 | http://slowass.net/~scott/tmp/js.html | 00:26 |
| * scrottie0 was wrong. | 00:26 | |
| * scrottie0 shrugs melodramatically | 00:27 | |
| @preaction | i thought you were right too, i thought only IE had the "</script>" problem | 00:27 |
| @preaction | if you encased the whole thing in a CDATA block, that should fix it | 00:27 |
| @pbcj | I wanted to believe | 00:27 |
| @pbcj | the macro just calls into Thingy.pm, really for designer purposes | 00:28 |
| @pbcj | I added &templateId=<blah> to the www_viewThingData | 00:28 |
| * pbcj waits for the backlash | 00:29 | |
| @preaction | hm... does that set the style ID or the regular template ID? or if you pass that argument, does the style disappear? | 00:30 |
| elnino | when did the passthru url for sitemaps.xml get added? | 00:30 |
| @preaction | elnino: it's not passthru i don't think, it's a special URL handler | 00:30 |
| @preaction | no, it's a special content handler, so it should not be a passthru | 00:31 |
| @preaction | pbcj: wait, show me your code quick | 00:32 |
| @preaction | the macro code | 00:32 |
| elnino | thanks preaction | 00:32 |
| elnino | any idea when it was added? | 00:33 |
| elnino | had to have been within hte last 3 years. I wrote a wiki on how to create one three years ago. =) | 00:33 |
| @preaction | 7.8 or 7.9 iirc | 00:33 |
| @preaction | probably 7.8 | 00:33 |
| @preaction | 7.6.2 actually | 00:34 |
| @preaction | 2008-11-04 | 00:34 |
| elnino | perfect. I'll update the wiki. thanks! | 00:34 |
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| sbaur | In the Survey (the one added in 7.6) The take survey form has little Qs and As for the question and answers. Where do they come from? Can't find them in the question template nor in the edit question interface. | 01:15 |
| @preaction | the new survey? | 01:21 |
| sbaur | well, new to me anyways :) | 01:21 |
| sbaur | i'm testing this in 7.6.35 | 01:22 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r6853daa / root_import_carousel_carousel-default.wgpkg : add 12079 Carousel auto play - http://bit.ly/gARUbw | 01:25 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r4483346 / (2 files in 2 dirs): i don't even know... - http://bit.ly/fdD849 | 01:25 |
| @preaction | wait, wtf | 01:25 |
| @preaction | git just lost my commit? | 01:25 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0c1486c / (4 files in 4 dirs): Merge commit '1f0e527' - http://bit.ly/e5gL1U | 01:27 |
| sbaur | I'll ask again in the morning. bye all | 01:32 |
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| @preaction | the more i look at jquery, the more i like what they're trying to do | 04:51 |
| @preaction | YUI's not reaching the depth of the core bits that jquery is, because yui also focuses on UI components | 04:51 |
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| virgomoon | anybody in the mood to do some HTML/CSS debugging? | 05:43 |
| @preaction | i could be, if it's not too evil | 05:44 |
| virgomoon | this one should be easy for someone that knows what they're doing .. unlike myself, evidently | 05:44 |
| virgomoon | www.secularpolygamy.com | 05:44 |
| virgomoon | log in as test, password test | 05:45 |
| virgomoon | then, where it says 'Hello test' click on 'test' to bring up the user profile | 05:45 |
| virgomoon | the profile info is pushed below the left-hand div | 05:45 |
| virgomoon | there is a div w/ a clear: both right above that div | 05:45 |
| virgomoon | but, I even put that whole center block in its own div to no avail | 05:46 |
| virgomoon | the left hand column (div) is float: left, right hand is float: right | 05:46 |
| virgomoon | why is that div under the profile info tabs pushed to the bottom? | 05:47 |
| @preaction | if you float the middle column instead, that'll go away | 05:47 |
| @preaction | it's being pushed down because there's a <div style="clear:both"> in there | 05:47 |
| @preaction | that gets the tab body below the tab heads | 05:47 |
| @preaction | also, did you put back the <tmpl_var head.tags> into your style template? the home page doesn't show them | 05:47 |
| virgomoon | yes, I did | 05:48 |
| virgomoon | the admin functions work fine now, thank you | 05:48 |
| @preaction | weird | 05:48 |
| virgomoon | so .. float the middle one? what should I put on the left and right ones? | 05:49 |
| @preaction | leave them as they are | 05:49 |
| @preaction | if the CSS bot was in #css, i'd have it tell you why | 05:49 |
| virgomoon | leave as float left and right? | 05:49 |
| @preaction | but google search for "containing floats" | 05:49 |
| virgomoon | ok .. will do | 05:49 |
| virgomoon | thx, man | 05:50 |
| @preaction | np | 05:50 |
| virgomoon | this whole clear/float thing confuses the hell out of me .. likely because I don't actually do much page design, I'm more of a database guy, lol | 05:54 |
| virgomoon | I should probably actually learn it one of these days before they change the spec, lol | 05:55 |
| @preaction | it makes sense after you hammer it into your head with a brick for a few hours | 05:55 |
| virgomoon | oh, I'm sure it will | 05:55 |
| @preaction | brick not optional | 05:55 |
| virgomoon | well, I've got the general idea, but the little tricky stuff indicating a more intimate knowledge that gets me | 05:57 |
| virgomoon | (I should shut up and go back to reading, lol) | 05:57 |
| @preaction | #css is usually full of people who know what they're doing | 05:58 |
| virgomoon | didn't even think of that one | 05:58 |
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| virgomoon | would you believe that a table fixes the whole thing? | 06:12 |
| virgomoon | just enclose that middle content in a one-cell table | 06:12 |
| virgomoon | I almost feel dirty doing that | 06:13 |
| scrottie0 | hey, better than position: absolute | 06:14 |
| virgomoon | screw it .. it works, lol | 06:14 |
| virgomoon | well, it looks like what was happening is that the clear:both was extending past the div boundary | 06:14 |
| virgomoon | I would've expected the clear to 'stay within that div' but that didn't seem to be the case | 06:15 |
| virgomoon | but when I enclosed it in a table, that 'broke the chain' .. that's the best way I can think to describe it | 06:15 |
| scrottie0 | the browser is still trying to do a top-to-bottom layout. | 06:17 |
| virgomoon | ? | 06:19 |
| virgomoon | on my site? | 06:19 |
| scrottie0 | in general. | 06:20 |
| scrottie0 | if it lays some stuff out, then lays out something that wants to be clear of the other stuff, things it lays out after that are going to generally be below that | 06:20 |
| virgomoon | ah .. so it doesn't actually do them as self-contained entities? | 06:20 |
| scrottie0 | kind of. | 06:21 |
| virgomoon | I also do some work in java, so I was expecting the browsers to do much the same thing as the gridbaglayout | 06:21 |
| virgomoon | what happens in one container influences everything else, but only because it altered the container it's in | 06:21 |
| scrottie0 | more like the FlowLayout... except with extra features... I'd say... | 06:23 |
| @preaction | the table contains the float | 06:25 |
| @preaction | another div would probably do the same thing | 06:25 |
| @preaction | floats are fairly crazy: they're allowed to leave their container, they press against some content but not others, they stack horizontally unless you tell them otherwise, etc... | 06:26 |
| virgomoon | I tried another div .. no dice | 06:26 |
| virgomoon | the table did the trick, though | 06:26 |
| scrottie0 | I would only not use tables if you find yourself having to use nested tables to accomplish something. | 06:27 |
| virgomoon | agreed | 06:27 |
| virgomoon | this was more an 'isolation' tactic | 06:27 |
| scrottie0 | well, it's pretty much redundant with what people use divs for. | 06:28 |
| scrottie0 | you don't need your divs at all if you're using a table. | 06:28 |
| @preaction | except using tables are bad :p | 06:28 |
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| zylopfa | Greetings webguians! | 13:11 |
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| +bartjol | hi | 13:25 |
| zylopfa | that Thingy is genious | 13:26 |
| zylopfa | I am making a CRM system now with it and the awesome part is that it has json output | 13:27 |
| zylopfa | So i am using it with jquery grid | 13:27 |
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| +bartjol | zylopfa: eh, it says enough that thingy was developed by a Dutch guy :) | 15:31 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 15:46 |
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| +bartjol | ah da scottman | 16:07 |
| SDuensin | Yep. It's me. | 16:12 |
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| zylopfa | bartjol, who invented it? | 16:36 |
| +bartjol | Yung | 16:37 |
| +bartjol | it was a request by PB, but he developed it | 16:37 |
| zylopfa | I will put a wobject out that will show thingy data in jquery grids | 16:38 |
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| +bartjol | ah, it is prolly all yui now | 16:39 |
| zylopfa | yeah | 16:40 |
| zylopfa | good thing is he made it so you can get json data out | 16:40 |
| zylopfa | ofc one could do it reasonable easy but i like when is thought in from the start | 16:41 |
| +bartjol | and you only have to change the skin | 16:41 |
| zylopfa | yeah! | 16:41 |
| +bartjol | yeah | 16:41 |
| zylopfa | I made a wobject so you only need to put the asset id of the thing which collection you want to show | 16:41 |
| zylopfa | then it display it in a sortable jquery grid | 16:42 |
| +bartjol | cool | 16:42 |
| +bartjol | from what I understand, jquery is nicer for aesthetics | 16:42 |
| +bartjol | I hardly wotk with javascript | 16:43 |
| zylopfa | yeah its pretty nice imo | 16:43 |
| +bartjol | well, I suppose that is what matters if you make your own wobject | 16:55 |
| zylopfa | yeah, its not a big wobject though just most of it its javascript that will setup the table headers and data | 16:55 |
| zylopfa | it will load the json from the thingy asset you ask | 16:56 |
| zylopfa | Thingy is genious cause the users can make their own fields | 16:56 |
| zylopfa | i am making a CRM system | 16:56 |
| zylopfa | where the customers migh want additional fields | 16:57 |
| +bartjol | yeah, Thingy looks perfect for that | 16:59 |
| +bartjol | the sqlreport used to do roughly the same, but you needed SQL skills | 16:59 |
| zylopfa | yeah i used that a lot also | 17:00 |
| +bartjol | sqlform | 17:00 |
| zylopfa | its good also | 17:00 |
| +bartjol | but it only get's data | 17:00 |
| zylopfa | yeah true, the hard thing is to make additional fields on the run | 17:00 |
| zylopfa | and thingy has got that covered | 17:01 |
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| xdanger | I think that YUI was the right choice when it was chosen, but I wish that we would have gone with jquery+extJS =) | 18:16 |
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| @preaction | ext's license doesn't allow us to ship with it | 18:32 |
| +bartjol | ext3? | 18:32 |
| scrottie0 | ext-js, I'm guessing | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | Ok, I made a purposely wrong guess | 18:33 |
| @preaction | we really need to move to yui3 | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | oh, is it still 2.8? | 18:37 |
| Haarg | yeah | 18:40 |
| Haarg | 3 isn't backward compatible though | 18:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's the problem | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | ah, joy | 18:41 |
| Haarg | it's possible to mix the two, but a lot of work to convert things over even enough to support that | 18:41 |
| @preaction | it's just. 2 is so annoying to write with | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | well, haven't had to deal with that... | 18:43 |
| Haarg | you could be really evil and do something like YUI().use('yui2-calendar', function(Y) { window.YAHOO = Y.YUI2 }); | 18:45 |
| Haarg | no idea if that would work at all | 18:46 |
| @preaction | i was under the idea that's what the yui3 2in3 module basically does | 18:51 |
| Haarg | per http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/3/examples/yui/yui-compat.html | 18:54 |
| Haarg | it seems like it will load yui2 modules, but when you are writing against them, you have to create the YAHOO variable yourself | 18:54 |
| Haarg | and the examples all show that by wrapping the yui2 code in the YUI().use() function | 18:55 |
| Haarg | with webgui it would be pretty difficult to wrap all the YUI2 code | 18:56 |
| Haarg | which is where my proposed 'window.YAHOO = Y.YUI2' thing would possibly help since you wouldn't have to wrap stuff | 18:56 |
| Haarg | but i have no idea if it would actually work and it's very ugly | 18:57 |
| @preaction | if only JS had local | 18:58 |
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| Haarg | even if you load a bunch of yui3 modules with script tags, they aren't available in the YUI().use() function unless you explicitly ask for them | 18:59 |
| Haarg | which is why my hack might fail entirely | 19:00 |
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| virgomoon | afternoon, all .. I'm trying to setup my site to allow for members to create an account (ok, got that part down) and allow them to add/manage their friends. From what I'm seeing, though, the ability to manage friends is an admin action which allows this manager to see the internal emails sent to/from folks (who they should not otherwise have access to) instead of the expected behavior of being able to see a list of members and sending friend invitations | 20:43 |
| virgomoon | to them, etc. | 20:43 |
| virgomoon | is what I'm talking about not the intended use of this system? | 20:43 |
| virgomoon | just trying to get a gauge of whether I should keep digging | 20:43 |
| @preaction | the way you add friends is to view someone else's profile. if they allow friending, there should be a link to ask for a friendship | 20:46 |
| virgomoon | well, you saw my site last night .. what I'm expecting is the way it's supposed to work, right? it's entirely possible I'm doing it wrong | 20:47 |
| @preaction | that being said, if there are any RFEs or improvements you want to see, i think that section of WebGUI needs a major UI overhaul | 20:47 |
| @preaction | the "Friend Manager" is an admin-only tool, yes | 20:47 |
| @preaction | i think | 20:47 |
| virgomoon | ok | 20:47 |
| virgomoon | that makes sense | 20:47 |
| virgomoon | it might be that the friends list doesn't have the link by default and that's what's throwing me off | 20:48 |
| virgomoon | lemme see if I can find the docs on that whole user list template thing and maybe I can write a custom one to do it | 20:48 |
| @preaction | is the user allowing friend invites? | 20:49 |
| virgomoon | yes | 20:51 |
| virgomoon | but, my thinking is correct, right? it's supposed to be an 'internal friend/messaging' thing akin to the facebook style, right? | 20:52 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:52 |
| virgomoon | k .. let me dork around with it some more | 20:52 |
| @preaction | no wall or anything like that, just an internal messaging. the internal messages usually get sent out via e-mail, but the internal message is still there | 20:52 |
| virgomoon | ya | 20:52 |
| virgomoon | thank you, preaction | 20:53 |
| @preaction | a wall would be possible, even easy, but is not yet being done | 20:53 |
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| virgomoon | so .. let's say someone wanted to write a custom member's list template .. where would one find the docs on the tmpl_vars available? | 21:45 |
| @preaction | in the Admin Console, there's a Help section that lists the template variables available to each template | 21:46 |
| @preaction | that is, if it's accurate. if it's missing, report a bug and it'll get fixed | 21:46 |
| virgomoon | WHOA | 21:47 |
| virgomoon | how have I missed that all this time? lol | 21:47 |
| @preaction | it's not very prominent | 21:48 |
| virgomoon | I've been sitting here for weeks thinking "wow, this is a great system, but the documentation is crap" lol | 21:48 |
| virgomoon | and, lo and behold, it was right under my nose | 21:48 |
| @preaction | eventually i want to hook the Template Preview thing in 7.10 up to the template variables help there, but that'll take some doing | 21:48 |
| @preaction | did you read the Designer's Guide from http://webgui.org/user-guides ? | 21:48 |
| virgomoon | yes | 21:48 |
| virgomoon | not, like, studied it, though | 21:49 |
| virgomoon | so I likely missed some | 21:49 |
| virgomoon | and that link is probably in there, I'm assuming | 21:49 |
| virgomoon | ya, I'm not sure how you could make that more prominent w/o it being obnoxious | 21:49 |
| @preaction | inlining it with the template preview is what i think will do it | 21:50 |
| @preaction | when you configure what values the variables have, it'd show hoverhelp describing what the variable means, or something | 21:51 |
| @preaction | or even just a link or something, who knows | 21:51 |
| @preaction | a link might be doable right now in fact... | 21:51 |
| @preaction | is there something on the right-hand box when editing a template? | 21:51 |
| virgomoon | not that I know of .. lemme look | 21:51 |
| virgomoon | no | 21:52 |
| @preaction | hm... that might be something to remedy... | 21:52 |
| virgomoon | ya, a link to that template's variable list would do .. I know I looked there at some point | 21:52 |
| @preaction | in 8, of course, when i can open a new tab with those vars | 21:53 |
| virgomoon | yeah, there's a lot of possibilities .. though I suspect you guys have a better idea of what the user base needs than one person | 21:54 |
| @preaction | humph. the changes i recently made will preclude the possibility of ordering that right-hand menu thing | 21:54 |
| virgomoon | I know for my own business, we have a lot of users that think they know best when it doesn't really fit into the paradigm of the user base as a whole .. so I try to work with what I've got and not try to push for change | 21:54 |
| @preaction | (it's different now, but it's the same purpose) | 21:55 |
| virgomoon | k | 21:55 |
| @preaction | eh, doesn't mean i can't hack something into shape there | 21:55 |
| @preaction | i'd just like to see "Variables Help" as the first link, instead of the last, sorted alphabetically | 21:55 |
| virgomoon | well, if this were something I (or you guys) were making money on, I'd likely be a bit more proactive about tweaking stuff .. but, given that I'm kinda riding on the coat tails, I just want to learn my way around | 21:56 |
| virgomoon | well, just somewhere apparent on the right would do | 21:56 |
| virgomoon | I mean, it's not a big list | 21:56 |
| virgomoon | I'm lazy, I'm not THAT lazy, lol | 21:56 |
| @preaction | it's a bigger list in 8 | 21:56 |
| virgomoon | ah, ok | 21:56 |
| @preaction | every asset has 12 there. the normal Cut, Copy, etc... operations are there now | 21:57 |
| @preaction | well i can show you, one sec | 21:57 |
| @preaction | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/226725/Screen%20shot%202011-03-25%20at%202.57.05%20PM.png | 21:57 |
| @preaction | it's on the left there | 21:57 |
| virgomoon | oh, on the left .. I was like "man, there's nothing on the right" | 21:58 |
| virgomoon | lol | 21:58 |
| @preaction | everything that was on the right will be folded into that list on the left, called Asset Helpers | 21:58 |
| virgomoon | um .. I don't know .. maybe a separator space, then the help at the bottom? | 21:58 |
| virgomoon | but you said it couldn't be ordered that way | 21:58 |
| virgomoon | ah, ok | 21:58 |
| @preaction | i can make a way for ordering to work | 21:58 |
| @preaction | but seperators, that's something that might be useful too | 21:58 |
| virgomoon | just thinking something slight for it to stand out | 21:59 |
| virgomoon | the eye doesn't need much for something to be 'different' | 21:59 |
| @preaction | or being able to assign a CSS class name or something, to bold it or upsize it or something | 21:59 |
| @preaction | well, it would have an icon, but that was vetoed | 21:59 |
| @preaction | i might put them back in just because | 21:59 |
| virgomoon | ya .. icons can get confusing | 21:59 |
| virgomoon | personally, I hate icons | 22:00 |
| @preaction | depends on how they're used and mostly how they're re-used | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | they rarely convey the full meaning enough to stand on their own | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | agreed | 22:00 |
| @preaction | that i agree with | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | I mean, a folder is obvious enough | 22:00 |
| @preaction | it enhances the label, it does not REPLACE the label | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | but if you try to convey real meaning in an icon, it gets dicy | 22:00 |
| @preaction | i hate when they just put the icon and assume i know what it means | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | true | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | ya | 22:00 |
| @preaction | but it's easier to pick out an icon from a list of icons than a word from a list of text | 22:00 |
| virgomoon | but .. once you learn what the icons are, you're fine | 22:00 |
| @preaction | right | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | for example .. I play Eve online | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | not sure if you're familiar | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | but the comm list on the left is a list of icons which you can expand to icon/label | 22:01 |
| sbaur | but only if it's something you use often, otherwise, it's a repeated cycle of learn and forget | 22:01 |
| @preaction | i've heard of it, not played it. can't afford the plex | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | once you learn what is what, you can get the names out of the way and just use the icons | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | agreed, sbaur | 22:01 |
| virgomoon | ya, if you don't do it a LOT, then they lose meaning .. kinda like forgetting a password | 22:02 |
| @preaction | right | 22:02 |
| @preaction | so an icon for "Edit" would be a good thing (and you could eventually drop the label), but for "Copy Branch" not so much | 22:02 |
| virgomoon | lol .. ya | 22:02 |
| @preaction | it's been my opinion that, as a CMS, we have the worst set of requirements: it has to be easy to program for programmers, and easy to use for users <- it has to be easy for programmers to make it easy to use for users | 22:03 |
| @preaction | which leads us to the icon situation: we couldn't agree, so we dropped the subject | 22:04 |
| virgomoon | ya .. I do not envy y'all's position | 22:04 |
| virgomoon | it's a nice system, though .. gotta hand it to you | 22:04 |
| * preaction closes the tab with the screenshot he took, and gets surprised to see the same screen (the one he took the screenshot from :p) | 22:04 | |
| virgomoon | lol | 22:04 |
| @preaction | it was less grainy, which threw me for a loop | 22:05 |
| virgomoon | lol | 22:05 |
| zylopfa | hail preaction ! | 22:18 |
| @preaction | well met, zylopfa! | 22:18 |
| zylopfa | Greetings!! | 22:18 |
| zylopfa | I am making a jquery grid addon to thingy | 22:18 |
| @preaction | interesting | 22:19 |
| @preaction | i'm talking with pbcj about adding more vars to thingy to make it easier to do fun stuff | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | thingy you can use www methods to get json data from them | 22:19 |
| @preaction | if you can't, i'd support adding it | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | I must say preaction I LOVE THUINGY!! | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | yeah preaction i was so happy to see they was there | 22:19 |
| @preaction | heh, it's a good solution for what it does | 22:19 |
| zylopfa | else i'd hae done it myself ofc | 22:19 |
| @preaction | colin's got some ideas on how to make it even better, along with a bunch of other work to make WebGUI play nicely with other data/ORM systems | 22:20 |
| zylopfa | I make a CRM system | 22:20 |
| zylopfa | so i need users to be able to define fields to thingy is kick ass | 22:20 |
| @preaction | indeed, that's one of the use-cases we had when making Thingy | 22:20 |
| zylopfa | I will put my jquerygrid wobject for thingy on the bazaar soon | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | I was gonna do it from scratch | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | but then i looked over thingy a good deal | 22:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, the jquery grid makes me want jquery for the asset manager sometimes | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | and i must say it rocks | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah preaction | 22:21 |
| zylopfa | what licencing is jquery in? | 22:21 |
| @preaction | LGPL iirc | 22:21 |
| @preaction | it's possible, we just didn't | 22:22 |
| sbaur | Ok, going to re-ask my question from yesterday in the hopes that someone may have an answer today. In Survey (the one added in 7.6) The take survey form has little Qs and As for the question and answers. Where do they come from? Can't find them in the question template nor in the edit question interface. | 22:22 |
| @preaction | MIT actually, which is even better | 22:22 |
| zylopfa | what you mean sbaur? | 22:23 |
| zylopfa | are there already preset questions and answers? | 22:23 |
| @preaction | sbaur: they're probably hard-coded. the default templates were designed along survey-monkey lines for statistic neutrality | 22:23 |
| sbaur | hard-coded? ouch. | 22:23 |
| @preaction | if you can't find them, at least | 22:24 |
| scrottie0 | hard-coded, yay! Survey has way too much configurable. | 22:24 |
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| --- Log opened Fri Mar 25 22:46:04 2011 | ||
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r698f40a / (23 files in 4 dirs): | 22:46 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: add "asset" property to AssetHelpers. | 22:46 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Simplifies the API and allows us to have getForm and getUrl to make | 22:46 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: asset helpers easier to build. - http://bit.ly/ghiHSJ | 22:46 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf7fb7ce / (www/extras/admin/admin.css www/extras/admin/admin.js): try to make Tree view prettier - http://bit.ly/gSMXgS | 22:46 |
| CIA-74 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4adaa09 / lib/WebGUI/FormBuilder.pm : normalize formbuilder vars - http://bit.ly/eF96Gh | 22:46 |
| zylopfa | I have a small question!! | 22:47 |
| zylopfa | When you upload say files to a thingy | 22:47 |
| zylopfa | it gets kept in /upload | 22:47 |
| zylopfa | But thats not secured with same rights as peeps have for viewing the thingy thing | 22:47 |
| zylopfa | shoul i overcome this by making a url handler? | 22:48 |
| @preaction | it should be secured by the same rights, via the .wgaccess file | 22:48 |
| @preaction | the Uploads URL handler should read the .wgaccess file to do so | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | but isnt the /upload in sick many subdirs? | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | i mean its like /upload/57wuilegqlgugy3/9yliurgh2e/file | 22:49 |
| @preaction | yes. the .wgaccess file is in every folder | 22:49 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | but then i have to make a .wgaccess there also? | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | or is it created auto? | 22:49 |
| zylopfa | I will check this out | 22:49 |
| @preaction | it is automatically created if the file is not accessible by Everyone | 22:51 |
| zylopfa | ahh thanks preaction ! | 22:53 |
| zylopfa | you know webgui outside in | 22:53 |
| zylopfa | and inside out | 22:53 |
| @preaction | yep. been doing this a long time | 22:53 |
| @preaction | unique out of every asset in WebGUI, Image has an Undo function that purges the most recent revision. should I change it to be part of every asset's helpers? | 23:01 |
| zylopfa | yeah would be a good think i think | 23:01 |
| zylopfa | the revision system in webgui is sick good though | 23:02 |
| zylopfa | does other cms have it? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | some do, i imagine. cmsmatrix.org might know which ones | 23:02 |
| @preaction | the big secret about cmsmatrix: JT built it to get ideas for what to put in webgui ;) | 23:03 |
| @khenn | so I just had someone tell me I'm over documenting my code. That's a first for me | 23:04 |
| scrottie0 | are you making them look bad or what? | 23:05 |
| @khenn | I guess | 23:06 |
| zylopfa | ahh sick good | 23:06 |
| zylopfa | I am happy i found webgui and its in perl | 23:07 |
| zylopfa | I dont know why php got popular so fast its like perl on tranquilizers | 23:07 |
| zylopfa | haa nice khenn | 23:08 |
| zylopfa | not bad though i am sure | 23:08 |
| @preaction | depends, are the docs useful? do they explain why the function exists? | 23:08 |
| scrottie0 | cultural differences, I'm guessing. they had a "there's no wrong way to do something" philosophy that put novices at ease. asking for help with PHP, you'd never be told "you're doing it wrong!". | 23:09 |
| zylopfa | but perl has the same | 23:09 |
| @khenn | nah, I think the guy just thinks it's too cluttery | 23:09 |
| zylopfa | you always said tyou can do things in 1000 ways with perl | 23:10 |
| @khenn | I do sometimes clutter up code with comments | 23:10 |
| scrottie0 | people in PHP help channels don't get uppity if they can't get a clear picture of your problem but instead just guess and have you try things. it's less effective at solving problems but it gives out good vibes. | 23:10 |
| scrottie0 | zylopfa, have you been in any of the #perl channels in the past ten years? | 23:10 |
| @preaction | er... last i checked, ##php was a desolate wasteland where egos reigned and nobody got help | 23:11 |
| scrottie0 | only comments about the obvious to a casual observer are clutter. | 23:11 |
| scrottie0 | hrm. | 23:11 |
| zylopfa | haa no guess not scrottie0 | 23:11 |
| scrottie0 | okay, I haven't been in a #php channel recently. | 23:11 |
| zylopfa | but all i read of perl advocated that the fun with perl is you can make things in so many ways | 23:12 |
| scrottie0 | Perl is trying to be Java right now, so it makes sense that PHP would be trying to be Perl. | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah | 23:12 |
| zylopfa | why would perl wanna be java:( | 23:12 |
| @preaction | then what's Python trying to be? C/C++? | 23:12 |
| scrottie0 | zylopfa, yeah, that was the cultural attitude, but things have changed. now there's the "Perl Best Practices" movement. people like chromatic, who are well known in the community, are working hard to distance Perl's image from the bad code that people write while they're still learning. | 23:13 |
| @khenn | php people with egos | 23:13 |
| @khenn | isn't that an oxymoron? | 23:13 |
| scrottie0 | I've been getting told a lot things along the lines of "if you think that, then obviously you don't know Perl!". le sigh... | 23:13 |
| zylopfa | ahh i see scrottie0 | 23:13 |
| zylopfa | lol! | 23:14 |
| zylopfa | they should be a bit more kind imo | 23:14 |
| scrottie0 | there are a lot of reasons to use the newest language out there. there's never any maintenance work in it. egos haven't formed yet. it doesn't have any old code to be embarassed about. everyone has a shot of fame and glory. | 23:15 |
| zylopfa | I dont dare to go to perl channel now | 23:15 |
| scrottie0 | you can go to #perl, but it's full of cranky old bastards like me. | 23:15 |
| @preaction | eh, it's mostly full of rindolf, mst, and apeiron | 23:15 |
| scrottie0 | Somni | 23:15 |
| @preaction | cranky young bastards | 23:15 |
| @khenn | apeiron | 23:16 |
| @khenn | heh | 23:16 |
| @khenn | the wow king | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | world of warcraft? | 23:16 |
| @khenn | I hear he got to level eleventy billion | 23:16 |
| zylopfa | :O | 23:16 |
| @khenn | heh yeah | 23:16 |
| @khenn | preaction what movie is that from? eleventy billion | 23:17 |
| @khenn | tip of my tounge | 23:17 |
| @preaction | no idea, but maybe you're thinking about Grandma's Boy | 23:21 |
| @preaction | apparently Keanu Reeves gave that as a bet on an episode of Celebrity Jeopardy | 23:22 |
| scrottie0 | dammit, spent an hour fighting something that turned out to be browser cache. stupid, stupid, stupid. | 23:22 |
| @preaction | those are persistent, tricky bastards | 23:23 |
| zylopfa | haa yeah indeed | 23:23 |
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| scrottie0 | I hate i18n. | 00:12 |
| scrottie0 | this makes unwinding spaghetti code just that much worse. | 00:12 |
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| virgomoon | I'm editing a Data Form .. how do I get the 'Default Value' to be the current user's username for a Text Field? | 21:49 |
| virgomoon | AHA!! Macros seem to work in there :) | 21:53 |
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| @khenn | afternoon! | 20:11 |
| scrottie0 | mbpmppff. | 20:11 |
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| @khenn | that good eh scrottie0? | 20:13 |
| @khenn | what happened to perlDreamer? | 20:17 |
| @khenn | haven't seen him on lately | 20:17 |
| scrottie0 | I assume he's around somewhere... | 20:19 |
| @khenn | yeah I got him on skype, thanks | 20:20 |
| @preaction | he was on vacation last week, the slacker | 20:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | TZ-appropriate greets to all! | 20:33 |
| @preaction | yay! he's back! | 20:35 |
| @preaction | oh thank you thankyouthankyou! | 20:35 |
| @khenn | perlDreamer++ | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks guys, it's nice to be missed | 20:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | running time | 21:16 |
| @khenn | grumble @ $SIG_DIE overriding bastards | 21:39 |
| @khenn | $SIG{__DIE__} that is | 21:39 |
| @preaction | okay, so again with an "Undo" question: should I really delete the revision in the "Undo" asset helper? | 21:39 |
| @khenn | not if you are ever planning to implement a "redo" | 21:40 |
| @khenn | otherwise, why would you save it? | 21:40 |
| @preaction | well, the only other option is that undo just replaces the current revision with the previous, but that means another undo would just swap back | 21:41 |
| @khenn | actually | 21:41 |
| @preaction | oh, wait, if i had revisionId instead of revisionDate, undo could just point the currentRevisionId to the previous revision, and then there'd be accountibility! | 21:41 |
| @khenn | there is one other option | 21:41 |
| @khenn | "undo" could add a new revision | 21:42 |
| @khenn | which is a copy of the previous revision | 21:42 |
| @khenn | but I haven't thought that through really | 21:42 |
| @khenn | so that may cause other issues | 21:42 |
| @preaction | right, that's what i was saying: what would the next undo do? | 21:42 |
| @preaction | the user would expect the next prior revision, but instead they'd get the undo undone | 21:43 |
| @khenn | rewrite versioning IMO | 21:43 |
| @khenn | =) | 21:43 |
| * khenn devil's advocate | 21:43 | |
| @khenn | you know you want to | 21:43 |
| @preaction | but, if instead of picking the "current revision" based on MAX(revisionDate), we use an ID linked from the asset table as "currentRevisionId", we can do this by moving the currentRevisionId through the revisionDates in the table | 21:43 |
| @preaction | i have, largely, and if i do this, i'll have pretty much done everything there is to do to change it :p | 21:44 |
| @preaction | yeah, this goes on my list too | 21:44 |
| @preaction | but for now, undo goes away | 21:45 |
| @khenn | probably a good idea | 21:45 |
| @khenn | is deleted content versioned yet? | 21:45 |
| @preaction | no, state is still not in the assetData table | 21:46 |
| @preaction | in theory, that'd be all it would take | 21:46 |
| @preaction | but it's probably a lot more difficult than it sounds | 21:46 |
| @preaction | but with a less hairy join between asset and assetData using currentRevisionId, it might be more feasible | 21:46 |
| @preaction | hm.. but even then you've got the tagId parts of the join | 21:47 |
| @preaction | join assetData on (asset.currentRevisionId = assetData.revisionId or assetData.tagId=?) | 21:48 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r68cc229 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm : remove undo helper, will add it back when we have proper revisionId - http://bit.ly/gzQxVH | 21:51 |
| @khenn | yeah I never was a fan of the asset / assetData structure | 21:52 |
| @khenn | and thus the need for the indexContent table | 21:52 |
| @preaction | eh, there's no other good way to do it, unless you version the asset table, which isn't a problem until you start looking up assets (then you're back to MAX(revisionDate) or a "currentRevision" table) | 21:53 |
| @khenn | not that I can think of a better way to do it ... | 21:53 |
| @preaction | tags being magic is a part of the problem | 21:53 |
| @preaction | tags as a staging area, that is | 21:53 |
| @khenn | versioning is a hairy business for sure | 21:53 |
| @khenn | tbh I think it would be better to have one asset table with everything in it and manage revisions in a different table. That has it's own problems but at least it prevents join hell | 21:55 |
| @khenn | also probably makes the delete problem easy | 21:56 |
| @khenn | but ... | 21:56 |
| @khenn | again | 21:56 |
| @khenn | not sure that's a 'better' solution | 21:56 |
| @khenn | it's just a different one | 21:56 |
| @preaction | yeah, then whatever ->new sub could be hooked into to pull tags/revisions | 21:58 |
| @preaction | which could mean versioning as a role, which could be a good thing | 21:58 |
| @preaction | because then it could be genericized and used for more than just asset | 21:59 |
| @khenn | right | 22:01 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r25fe87d / (16 files in 16 dirs): Fix for UTF8 URLs in static JS files. Next, all templated/snippet based JS has to be reviewed. Partial fix for bug#12065 - http://bit.ly/fAkycM | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | newsflash: IE will not encode UTF8 URLs for you when using JS | 22:44 |
| @preaction | bastards! | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe that's a feature slotted for IE25 | 22:44 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r41f6f89 / (14 files in 14 dirs): Fix for UTF8 URLs in static JS files. Next, all templated/snippet based JS has to be reviewed. Partial fix for bug#12065 - http://bit.ly/fjsTuf | 22:45 |
| @khenn | is that really surprising? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | no, but they're still bastards | 23:15 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r39e2c56 / (2 files in 2 dirs): migrate Crop to Asset Helper - http://bit.ly/fK5Gl5 | 23:21 |
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| CIA-121 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2054083 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/Image.pm : | 23:44 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: change Annotate into asset helper | 23:44 |
| CIA-121 | webgui: Annotate relies on a property of the asset, so it should | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it should what? | 23:54 |
| @preaction | the rest of the commit message says, no? | 23:57 |
| @preaction | apparently not on github... | 23:57 |
| @preaction | it should be a role, not a helper | 23:57 |
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| CIA-121 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rfbd573c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm : move admin console links into asset helpers - http://bit.ly/dIA3a7 | 00:39 |
| @preaction | committing like a BOSS | 00:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to take kiddos to piano lessons | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | back in several hours | 01:17 |
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| Trebbor | Hi | 15:31 |
| Trebbor | Does anyone here know if there will be improvements in User management in WebGUI 8? | 15:35 |
| Trebbor | We use WebGUI a lot for making web applications, but we always have to build our own user management module because it's part of the Admin Console now and not in the site layout. | 15:36 |
| Trebbor | We are thinking of creating our own asset, but maybe we could also help to get in the core of WebGUI 8.. | 15:38 |
| Trebbor | Maybe I should wait for an answer first.. :) | 15:38 |
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| scrottie0 | hey Trebbor | 19:56 |
| scrottie0 | no, you signed off. | 19:56 |
| scrottie0 | Dutch. | 19:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay, virtualbox is working again | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | now I can use IE6 | 21:26 |
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| sbaur | perldreamer, perhaps you won't have to use IE6 for too much longer - http://www.theie6countdown.com/ | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | that would be great | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if only we could get rid of it altogether | 21:35 |
| sbaur | if only <sigh> | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | lunchtime | 22:00 |
| Getty | supporting IE6 is really outdated | 22:00 |
| @preaction | i'm removing import and export products from Shelf, they're being moved into asset helper | 22:05 |
| @preaction | this leaves Shelf as ... nothing | 22:05 |
| @preaction | should I re-create it as a subclass of Layout or Folder? | 22:06 |
| scrottie0 | ie6 rocks! | 22:06 |
| @preaction | the only thing shelf does uniquely is get products by keyword, a properly factored layout or folder would allow shelf to still do that | 22:06 |
| @preaction | and i think layout would be great, you could order the products on your shelf as you want to | 22:06 |
| scrottie0 | ies4linux does ie6 well... the others, not so much. well, I gues sit does 5 and 5.5 well too. | 22:07 |
| @preaction | in fact, maybe folder should be a subclass of layout too | 22:07 |
| scrottie0 | folder and layout are likely to go different directions in the future. | 22:37 |
| scrottie0 | layout is kinda scary. | 22:37 |
| scrottie0 | not sure folder should be tied to that. dunno. | 22:38 |
| @preaction | i'm hoping to remove that scariness in 8 | 22:38 |
| @preaction | and yeah, you're probably right. layout has a different purpose than folder | 22:38 |
| @preaction | though i suspect that they'll actually converge more than diverge | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you could do cool things to a shelf that you can't do to a Layout | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | like build an RSS feed of the items on it | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | shelf also allows you to build little forms on it for adding the product to the cart | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | without visiting the product | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | and layout/folder won't let you do that either | 23:16 |
| @preaction | they could be added by overriding methods of layout | 23:16 |
| @preaction | methods that don't exist yet, of course | 23:17 |
| @preaction | that's not important i guess, the most important bit is to make layout and folder worth subclassing | 23:18 |
| @preaction | frodwith: would you object if i made WebGUI::Fork->update automatically JSONify a hashref that was passed in? | 23:23 |
| @frodwith | yes | 23:23 |
| @frodwith | strongly | 23:23 |
| @preaction | why | 23:24 |
| @frodwith | because status doesn't have to be json | 23:24 |
| @preaction | but it has to be serialized to be stored in the db, no? | 23:24 |
| @frodwith | no. | 23:24 |
| @frodwith | $fork->update('working'). $fork->update('done') | 23:25 |
| @preaction | those aren't hashrefs | 23:25 |
| @frodwith | no, they aren't. | 23:25 |
| @preaction | so they wouldn't be jsonified, because they're not hashrefs | 23:25 |
| @frodwith | oh, you want it to DWIM. | 23:25 |
| @frodwith | ummm.... I don't like it | 23:26 |
| @frodwith | why do you want to do that? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to make the WebGUI::Fork::ProgressBar easier to use. right now i have to JSONify the { message => '', total => '', done => '', elapsed => '' } myself | 23:26 |
| @frodwith | why is that a problem? | 23:26 |
| @preaction | because it makes the example code more complicated | 23:26 |
| @frodwith | no it doesn't | 23:27 |
| @frodwith | it makes it a few characters longer | 23:27 |
| @frodwith | but not more complicated | 23:27 |
| @frodwith | I like that it wants a string, because it keeps the api simple. | 23:27 |
| @preaction | but it also accepts a coderef | 23:28 |
| @preaction | does "elapsed" mean time elapsed/ | 23:28 |
| @frodwith | yeah, a coderef that returns a string | 23:28 |
| @frodwith | :\ | 23:29 |
| @frodwith | but the idea is, a status is a string | 23:29 |
| @frodwith | that's nice and conceptually simple | 23:29 |
| @preaction | would $process->update({}) get stringified? | 23:29 |
| @frodwith | it'd be HASH(0x2937492) or whatever | 23:29 |
| @frodwith | and yeah, elapsed means time elapsed | 23:30 |
| @preaction | https://gist.github.com/c769fee1bc1cabfb7b00 <- here's the synopsis i'm writing for WebGUI::Fork::ProgressBar | 23:31 |
| @preaction | also, the Admin Console is going to add some things to the status hash to be used when the process is completed, but that's entirely up to the Admin Console | 23:32 |
| @frodwith | you could also write a wrapper around Fork for ProgressBar, like WebGUI::ProgressTree | 23:33 |
| @frodwith | I hesitate to call it ProgressBar, because that used to be another thing that's still there in 7 | 23:33 |
| @preaction | i could, but the good namespace is taken | 23:33 |
| @preaction | and per our conversations before, i'd rather keep some measure of synchronicity between the various ways of displaying. I'd like to be able to downgrade a ProgressTree into a ProgressBar using the ProgressBar's display code | 23:34 |
| @frodwith | and you probably want to wrap any JSON->encodes in a sub {} | 23:34 |
| @frodwith | because json encoding isn't free | 23:34 |
| @preaction | sigh... more complexity... | 23:34 |
| @preaction | "hello random subref!" | 23:35 |
| @frodwith | yeah, coderefs are hard to understand. Let's go shopping! | 23:35 |
| @frodwith | it says right in the api doc.... "if your status is expensive to compute, you can wrap it in a subref. then it'll only get called if someone asks for it." | 23:35 |
| @preaction | it's not WHAT, it's WHY. and i've left some comments as to that effect | 23:35 |
| @preaction | hmm.. perhaps i should read carefully | 23:37 |
| sbaur | Question for you smart folks: I have a style template that we've just converted to template toolkit in 7.5.40. It has a [% head_tags %] in it, but it's not pulling head block stuff from the custom asset on the page in, even though when this was an HTML template with tmpl_var head.tags it pulled in the stuff from the custom asset just fine. Do I need to reference it differently? | 23:38 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r297dd5d / lib/WebGUI/Fork/ProgressBar.pm : add synopsis for Fork ProgressBar - http://bit.ly/ieOlKA | 23:39 |
| @preaction | oh lord. doesn't the new head/body tags stuff use "head_tags" instead of "head.tags"? | 23:39 |
| @preaction | no, it's head_attachments, my bad | 23:40 |
| @frodwith | sbaur is in 7.5.40 anyway | 23:40 |
| @preaction | ah true | 23:40 |
| @frodwith | sbaur: I don't know, it looks right to me. | 23:41 |
| sbaur | sorry I keep forcing you to go back to the distant past... | 23:41 |
| @preaction | yeah, should be right | 23:41 |
| sbaur | I was afraid of that... | 23:42 |
| @frodwith | maybe you have a different problem. I don't know what that would be, but. | 23:42 |
| sbaur | well, i will poke and prod, and see if enlightenment can be achieved | 23:42 |
| @frodwith | preaction: if you're doing the stuff in that synopsis in more than one place, I'd really rather you write a wrapper. | 23:43 |
| @frodwith | I probably didn't write one because of the namespace problem.... | 23:43 |
| @frodwith | but also possibly because it was only used in one place | 23:43 |
| @preaction | and i won't write one because of the same problem, the original ProgressBar isn't deprecated yet | 23:43 |
| @frodwith | and YAGNI | 23:43 |
| @frodwith | well, name it something different then | 23:44 |
| @frodwith | cause recommending that people cut and paste that trash is kind of evil | 23:44 |
| @preaction | eh, right now i only need it in two places | 23:44 |
| @frodwith | although. A wrapper wouldn't be much shorter. | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | and i've been copy/pasting a lot, leaving myself notes to go back and refactor that i'll never get to do | 23:45 |
| @frodwith | now I seem to remember going off to write a wrapper and then going.... "this isn't helping anything!" | 23:45 |
| @preaction | sorry, not a lot, but more often than i'd like, which is 0 | 23:45 |
| @preaction | yeah, it's not so bad. it's just the sub { JSON->new->encode( ... ) } repetition that i wanted to remove | 23:46 |
| @preaction | and, honestly, i wonder why WebGUI::ProgressTree is seperate from WebGUI::Fork::ProgressTree | 23:46 |
| @frodwith | because one is a view and one is a model | 23:46 |
| @preaction | i think we discussed this, but i meh | 23:46 |
| @frodwith | i mean, theoretically, you could have a progresstree status and only render a progressbar | 23:47 |
| @frodwith | which i think you said you were going to do for some of your helpers | 23:47 |
| @preaction | yeah, is already being done | 23:47 |
| @preaction | only reason i'm not using tree right now is that all the products on the site are not going to come back in a nice tree at all | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | i can't have cute messages in webgui core can i? | 00:26 |
| @preaction | like when exporting products: "Dispensing Product..." | 00:26 |
| @preaction | http://www.gamefaqs.com/pc/934386-portal/faqs/50477 <- Portal script | 00:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | dumb question: in TT, can you have variable names with spaces? | 00:48 |
| @pbcj | heh | 00:49 |
| @preaction | not that i'm aware of | 00:50 |
| @pbcj | ?!! | 00:50 |
| @preaction | but maybe, using the hash syntax | 00:50 |
| +perlDreamer | we can bury it as a hash key though | 00:50 |
| @preaction | but really, thingy should stop using guids for field ids | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | then you have the same problem as the DataForm with making safe field names from user input | 00:51 |
| @preaction | is that problem insurmountible? | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | if you ask certain WebGUI users who don't like the way that's handled, yes | 00:52 |
| @pbcj | add a "field name" field to thing data? | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | because everyone has a different idea as to how it should be done | 00:52 |
| @preaction | having guids as the field Ids just makes thingy impossible to program against | 00:52 |
| @preaction | fieldname = lc && /[a-z_-]+/ <- done | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what it does | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | they don't like that | 00:53 |
| @preaction | perfect! | 00:53 |
| @preaction | why not? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | we changed the case | 00:53 |
| @preaction | oh right | 00:53 |
| @preaction | too bad | 00:53 |
| @preaction | maybe the problem is we did it without warning them? | 00:53 |
| @preaction | otherwise, we can make it ignore case in all circumstances fairly easily | 00:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, for the most part the end user doesn't have to deal with it | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but if you want to write a custom workflow that uses the DataForm entry data | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | then you have to know the secret sauce for creating fieldIds from field names/labels | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and that's where people are going, "Why did you muck around with my field names, suckah?" | 01:17 |
| @preaction | so there should be an API then? | 01:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | an API would do it, sure | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | anything that's better than $session->url->makeCompliant :) | 01:59 |
| @preaction | yes, considering it's nothing like url encoding | 02:00 |
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| @pbcj | any ops here? | 03:08 |
| @preaction | nope | 03:40 |
| @preaction | uh. you're here | 03:40 |
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| @pbcj | lol | 03:57 |
| @pbcj | s/y o/y other o/ | 03:57 |
| @preaction | yo yo yo! | 03:57 |
| @pbcj | my vote is ++cuteMessages | 04:00 |
| @pbcj | you should really be able to liquidate assets | 04:00 |
| @preaction | what i want is to genericize them more. shelf's main remaining feature is getting products by keyword and adding some template variables | 04:01 |
| @pbcj | so much to learn =( | 04:06 |
| @pbcj | skus and products and variants, oh my | 04:06 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rc214c42 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the search box in the Underground Style template. Fixes bug #12075 - http://bit.ly/h5dddm | 05:51 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd9bbcc3 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the search box in the Underground Style template. Fixes bug #12075 - http://bit.ly/egN6iB | 05:54 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83cb3ec / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to the correct location. - http://bit.ly/hz5KIG | 05:54 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raf15289 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix text in asset icon context menu. Fixes bug #12084. - http://bit.ly/h2XH5A | 05:57 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r6227a46 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix text in asset icon context menu. Fixes bug #12084. - http://bit.ly/eZR3xp | 05:58 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * red83f47 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Move upgrade package to the correct location. - http://bit.ly/hBYjT6 | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate it when I break my own rules | 06:06 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rcdb903f / (47 files in 24 dirs): Ready for 7.9.25 release. - http://bit.ly/hwMoVC | 06:19 |
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| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rbbbed01 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.26 development. - http://bit.ly/f1B3xr | 07:13 |
| +perlDreamer | got 'er done! | 07:21 |
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| @preaction | yay! | 07:24 |
| @preaction | so did I | 07:24 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r380b9c7 / www/extras/admin/admin.js : show fork dialog when a helper forks - http://bit.ly/egoFCH | 07:27 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r01844b6 / (3 files in 2 dirs): migrate import and export products to Asset Helpers - http://bit.ly/hoGgOG | 07:27 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1ae7a3c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Subscription.pm : fat-finger - http://bit.ly/hh9qxI | 07:27 |
| @preaction | yay! | 07:27 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra45cdec / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Product.pm : add import/export helpers to the Product asset too - http://bit.ly/i02Lhn | 07:29 |
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| Trebbor | Hello | 10:19 |
| xdanger | hello | 12:09 |
| xdanger | Trebbor: you had a question about user management yesterday. | 12:09 |
| Trebbor | Yes, that's right. | 12:10 |
| xdanger | I have the same problem with a project | 12:10 |
| xdanger | and with groups | 12:10 |
| Trebbor | That's nice to know. | 12:10 |
| xdanger | but I think that we could write a configurable user/group management as an content handler | 12:10 |
| xdanger | (well not that different from an asset, but still) | 12:11 |
| Trebbor | I'm looking into content handlers right now, didn't know what you meant.. | 12:12 |
| @preaction | i'm going to bed, but if it's a content handler, i will find it a lot easier to make it an admin console plugin in WebGUI 8 | 12:14 |
| Trebbor | But the problem now is that the admin console is a different style, not the default page style. Will this be different in WebGUI 8? | 12:15 |
| @preaction | yes, kinda. admin plugins have complete control over their page | 12:15 |
| @preaction | but then, so do operations, really | 12:16 |
| @preaction | what i'd like to do is have a default User admin plugin you could subclass for your own purposes | 12:16 |
| @preaction | and in 8, admin plugins are usable outside the "admin console", which is just a wrapper around an iframe really | 12:16 |
| Trebbor | Ah, that's cool. | 12:17 |
| @preaction | the final steps are making the admin console just another asset, and making the account system another asset too (and renaming it profile) | 12:18 |
| Trebbor | That makes sense. | 12:19 |
| @preaction | yeah, but those are long-term goals. short-term, Admin plugins are probably what you want: singleton applications | 12:20 |
| @preaction | in the 7.x parlance, it's either a Content handler or an Operation | 12:20 |
| @preaction | anyway, sleep now | 12:21 |
| Trebbor | Ok, thanks for the information. :) | 12:21 |
| Trebbor | Is there any timeframe on WebGUI 8? | 12:22 |
| Trebbor | Then I know if I just should wait for 8 or already build something for 7 | 12:22 |
| Trebbor | xdagner: I looked at the content handlers, I think you then have to use it in combination with a SQL report for searching en editing users? And let the content handler just write the changes to the database? | 12:31 |
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| Trebbor | xdanger I mean.. :) | 12:31 |
| xdanger | Trebbor: you can have a whole application in a content handler. it just needs to have more functionality than an asset, since it get's none of thouse automaticaly | 12:55 |
| Trebbor | That's true, you can read also ofcourse. Like the products in your cart. That's also a content handler. | 13:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | BartJol, I need a favor if you have time | 18:27 |
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| +BartJol | perlDreamer: sure | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you have any boots? | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | like, army boots? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that type | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | large heavy ones | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | yeah | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | not with me atm | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | please take one, and throw it at Martin | 18:55 |
| +BartJol | he isn't here either | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | alternately, wedge it someplace uncomfortable | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | you can wait, I'm very patient | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | ah, but I'm not used to this kind of violence from your direction | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | please explain | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I only get violent when WebGUI is broken | 18:56 |
| +BartJol | I figured that much | 18:57 |
| +BartJol | what did he demolish? | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the Shop | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the cart in the shop | 18:58 |
| +perlDreamer | he made 1/2 of an awesome change | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | removing the hardcoded JS from the Cart perl code | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but then, it wasn't added to the templates | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | so it broke the cart | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | aha | 19:00 |
| +BartJol | is that also where my bug report was coming from? that looked like something else | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | that's something else, I hope | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the Cart will work without any JS at all, but it works a lot better with it | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | ah | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | but after I fix the JS bug, I'll check to see if the addressbook works better | 19:01 |
| +BartJol | but you have that js somewhere in git, right? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | oh sure, it's all there, just not referenced | 19:02 |
| +BartJol | but I think with the proposed approach, Martin will start crying | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | fixing the templates? | 19:06 |
| +BartJol | well, I meant the kicking | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no, don't kick him | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | just wedge that boot, or throw it at him | 19:07 |
| +BartJol | well kicking by proxy | 19:08 |
| +BartJol | throwing by proxy | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | without your foot in it, the boot has less kinetic energy | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it will hurt less | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | that is true | 19:12 |
| +BartJol | but I see it relative, actually Martin will effectively be hurled in the direction of my boot, and Martins head is very heavy from the brains and hairwax | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | even so, since the perspective has changed, it also affects the energy equation | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | in this case, some large and waxy thing (Martin) collides with something smaller (the boot) | 19:16 |
| +BartJol | ah impulse equals Force*collision time | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | or something lik ethat | 19:19 |
| +BartJol | delta impulse | 19:19 |
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| @frodwith | anyone have a boot? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I have boots in several sizes | 19:51 |
| @frodwith | someone named "Colin Kuskie" (geez, what a dumb name) broke poll.js | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't doubt it | 19:52 |
| @frodwith | what's the idea with commit 25fe on that file? | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | your code doesn't handle working with UTF8 urls | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll fix the bady copy/paste job and the comma | 19:56 |
| @frodwith | in what case will that code not work? | 19:56 |
| @frodwith | (the original code) | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | if the URL has utf8 characters, and any IE browser is used | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | then it will fail to find the asset | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | and the asyncRequest will fail | 19:57 |
| @frodwith | are urls even allowed to have utf8 characters? | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah | 19:58 |
| @frodwith | I thought they had to be encoded. | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the browsers will encode them for you, unless you're using JS | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if you use JS, then Safari, FF, Chrome will encode for you | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but IE won' | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | won't | 19:59 |
| @frodwith | well, sure, but like | 19:59 |
| @frodwith | according to the URI spec, are they valid? For instance, if I opened up a socket to an apache server and asked for a path with utf8 characters in it | 20:00 |
| @frodwith | you know what I mean? | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I know exactly, and I think we're saying the same thing | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | if you open up a socket and talk to apache and push utf8 characters at it, it'll puke | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | if you take a browser and access an UTF8 url, the browser encodes and then does the socket | 20:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and if you use JS (maybe YUI specifically?) to open an asyncRequest, then the encoding is browser dependent | 20:01 |
| @frodwith | okay, then if there is no such thing as a url with utf8 characters in it | 20:01 |
| @frodwith | why are we adding escapes to javascript | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | because WebGUI does not escape URLs by default | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | because then FF, Safari and Chrome double escape it | 20:02 |
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| +perlDreamer | is there a command line JS syntax checker/linter? | 20:04 |
| @frodwith | jslint has a command line form somewhere | 20:04 |
| @frodwith | last time I looked it was sort of suffering from bitrot though | 20:04 |
| @frodwith | I use the web interface | 20:05 |
| @frodwith | so if I go <a href="http://foo.bar/foo%20bar">foo</a>, firefox will take me to ... that url but double escaped, when I click on it? | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:06 |
| +perlDreamer | again, this behavior only shows up in the JS | 20:06 |
| @frodwith | so if I say asyncRequest(thaturlabove), it makes a request to a double-escaped url | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | if you try to open an asyncRequest to http://foo.bar/foo%20bar, then FF, CH and SF will encode that nasty % for you | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:07 |
| @frodwith | -really- | 20:07 |
| @frodwith | huh | 20:07 |
| @frodwith | that seems...broken | 20:07 |
| +perlDreamer | let me see if I can finish 1 of the 3 things that I'm working on, and then I'll review my notes on how I fixed the original bug in the AssetManager | 20:08 |
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| @frodwith | if that's the case though, then wouldn't uri encoding the url in js before sending it to asyncrequest cause chrome et al to barf? | 20:15 |
| @khenn | anyone have a boot? | 20:40 |
| @khenn | =) | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | okay, this all started with this bug report | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/12065 | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | if the current URL has UTF8 characters in them, then the asset manager won't work | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it was tracked down to the i18n JS | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if you don't pass that a specific URL, then it would concatenate the query parameter to an empty string | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | which uses the current URL from the browser | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and that would behave differently in IE vs all the others | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | where the others would use an encoded URL, and IE wouldn't | 21:12 |
| +perlDreamer | in i18n.js, I changed the default from "" to location.pathname, which allowed me to manually encode the URL before making a call back to WebGUI | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and that worked | 21:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in IE and the others | 21:13 |
| @preaction | i think the prevailing wisdom in JS has been to use encodeURIComponent to add things to the URL you already have | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | in this case, there is no URL that we already have | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it was using "" | 21:14 |
| @preaction | but then how ... was the request being filled at all? because this only applies to POST? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | which request are you talking about preaction? | 21:18 |
| @preaction | the initial GET request to get the actual page in question | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | that goes through the "front-end" of the browser, which encodes for you | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | checkout v7.10.12 and try it out | 21:19 |
| @preaction | i see the code, i read the report. and paul pointed out to me that there is no such thing as an "unencoded URL", it's not a valid URL | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you tell me then why it's broken | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | because according to you and Paul, it should work fine | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | I've explained it twice | 21:20 |
| @preaction | i don't know, that's not what i'm saying | 21:21 |
| sbaur | because IE sucks! | 21:21 |
| * sbaur goes back to lurking now... | 21:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | that's always a good reason, sbaur :) | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | although, recently I think we'd have to say that it's just different enough to be consistently inconvenient | 21:22 |
| @preaction | i guess what paul has proposed that URIs should be stored and used in their encoded forms | 21:22 |
| @preaction | fixUrl should encode, iow | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so, when a user goes to edit their URL, they get % signs? | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in the nav's, would they see % signs? | 21:23 |
| @frodwith | they'd see % signs wherever there was supposed to be a url | 21:23 |
| @frodwith | since that would actually be the url | 21:23 |
| @preaction | and most browsers will display the actual UTF-8 characters instead | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not sure (we'd have to ask khenn) but I think the point of having UTF8 URLs was to actually have UTF8 urls and not encoded ones | 21:24 |
| @preaction | except IE6, but who cares | 21:24 |
| @frodwith | what is a utf8 url, exactly | 21:26 |
| @preaction | as far as i know, it's a URL with %-encoded characters that correspond to UTF-8 chars | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | as far as WebGUI knows, it's a URL with UTF8 characters in it | 21:27 |
| @frodwith | there are no urls with utf8 characters in them | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | tell y'all what. I'll back out the commit that broke the JS | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | and leave to y'all to fix the issue with UTF8 urls, encoding and JS | 21:27 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra7b1c57 / (16 files in 16 dirs): | 21:29 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Revert "Fix for UTF8 URLs in static JS files. Next, all templated/snippet based JS has to be reviewed. Partial fix for bug#12065" | 21:29 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: This reverts commit 25fe87db197740109c1073f7375d6fe9caf554b6. - http://bit.ly/dMhgCt | 21:29 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r92fe8a1 / (14 files in 14 dirs): | 21:30 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Revert "Fix for UTF8 URLs in static JS files. Next, all templated/snippet based JS has to be reviewed. Partial fix for bug#12065" | 21:30 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: This reverts commit 41f6f891a4caa2a9947e5f0fbea3d467eb724ea2. - http://bit.ly/emD8Ib | 21:30 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r16a89f5 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Missing dependency on Net::DNS - http://bit.ly/gTc4WP | 22:52 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r7eb441e / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Missing dependency on Net::DNS - http://bit.ly/h0YEzW | 22:53 |
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| plainhao | perlDreamer: i thought js has a uri_encode method? | 23:04 |
| @preaction | encodeURIComponent and encodeURI yes | 23:04 |
| @preaction | but if you do it more than once, you get bad URIs | 23:05 |
| plainhao | k | 23:05 |
| @preaction | but how do you know you've done it more than once, is the problem | 23:05 |
| Haarg | what exactly was broken by the change you made? | 23:05 |
| @preaction | from what i understand, calling encodeURI on args.url in www/extras/Fork/poll.js broke whatever it was doing | 23:09 |
| Haarg | from what i can tell | 23:10 |
| Haarg | if you enter a non-ascii url into the browser | 23:10 |
| Haarg | document.location will sometimes have the URL in percent encoded form | 23:11 |
| Haarg | and sometimes have it in character form | 23:11 |
| @preaction | but shouldn't it always have it in a form you can give back to it? | 23:11 |
| Haarg | so you are going to have to do some kind of encoding no matter how you treat stuff on the back end | 23:11 |
| Haarg | are you really expecting ie to work in a sensible manner? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | no, not really | 23:12 |
| Haarg | so i think doing encodeURI, then doing s/%25/%/ on the result will give you what you need | 23:13 |
| Haarg | and that could be done to a url multiple times and without causing problems | 23:13 |
| @frodwith | you don't have to encode anything on the front end if you store actual urls | 23:14 |
| @frodwith | there are no non-ascii urls. | 23:14 |
| Haarg | yes there are | 23:15 |
| Haarg | type international characters into ie's url bar | 23:15 |
| Haarg | and check document.location | 23:15 |
| plainhao | ie, ugh | 23:15 |
| @frodwith | I fail to see your point | 23:15 |
| Haarg | it's not technically a valid url | 23:15 |
| @preaction | but isn't that the problem: it's not a valid url | 23:16 |
| @frodwith | is anyone else getting test failures on master about headTags being gone? | 23:16 |
| plainhao | <!if ie --> return false | 23:17 |
| @frodwith | All browsers handle standard urls correctly. If you start giving them non-compliant strings and pretending they're urls, some of them might try to fix it and some of them might not. | 23:18 |
| Haarg | utf-8+percent encoded strings are valid urls, correct? | 23:20 |
| Haarg | except you put them into a browser and it shows them as characters, not in encoded form | 23:21 |
| Haarg | so people expect them to work | 23:21 |
| Haarg | and indeed if you type non-ascii characters into the address bar, browsers treat it correctly | 23:22 |
| @preaction | except IE afaik | 23:22 |
| Haarg | they encode everything before sending it to the server | 23:22 |
| Haarg | no, it works in ie as well | 23:22 |
| @preaction | IE6 then | 23:22 |
| Haarg | works in ie6 as well | 23:22 |
| Haarg | not sure about linking though | 23:22 |
| @preaction | i could have swore the whole thing last year with frank and you was about IE6 indeed not handling it at all correctly | 23:23 |
| Haarg | it might be due to linking | 23:23 |
| Haarg | i can't test that without constructing a page | 23:23 |
| Haarg | so if it's on a page like that, ie does silly things. document.location has unencoded strings. sending ajax requests to '?blah' uses unencoded strings apparently which is very broken. | 23:25 |
| @frodwith | the url for the resource I get when I type "http://foo.bar/?_?" into a browser is "http://foo.bar/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0". It doesn't matter how browsers behave, that's the url. So, we shouldn't be storing utf8 characters in the url field on assets, because that's lying. | 23:26 |
| Haarg | ok sure whatever | 23:26 |
| Haarg | who the fuck cares what's happening on the back end | 23:26 |
| Haarg | fix it if you want | 23:27 |
| Haarg | still won't solve the problem on the front end with the javascript | 23:27 |
| @frodwith | why not? | 23:28 |
| Haarg | because ie will have unencoded strings in location.pathname and seems to use unencoded strings for ajax requests | 23:29 |
| @frodwith | it uses unencoded strings for ajax requests if you give it undencoded strings | 23:30 |
| @frodwith | if you give it encoded strings, it uses those. | 23:30 |
| Haarg | yes | 23:31 |
| @preaction | but what if args.url = window.location + encodeURIComponent("some other stuff"); <- what will IE do? | 23:31 |
| Haarg | window.location may have unencoded characters in it | 23:31 |
| Haarg | which is broken | 23:31 |
| Haarg | but that's reality | 23:31 |
| Haarg | so you encode them | 23:31 |
| @preaction | right, i think that's the point that's trying to be made here | 23:31 |
| @preaction | so the problem is not how we're handling URLs in any part of webgui, but that we don't know if window.location is a valid url or not | 23:32 |
| Haarg | encodeURI(url).replace(/%25/,'%') should be enough to fix broken urls without screwing anything else up | 23:33 |
| @frodwith | I don't understand why we're even talking about window.location | 23:33 |
| @preaction | because the i18n and asset manager use window.location to build their URLs, which started this whole mess | 23:33 |
| @frodwith | so fix the i18n code | 23:33 |
| Haarg | which is what we are discussing | 23:33 |
| @frodwith | I don't understand why fixing the i18n code requires a review of all the js in webgui | 23:34 |
| Haarg | and frodwith is probably right that it would be better to have everything on the back end use valid (encoded) urls | 23:34 |
| @preaction | so we were just a bit overzealous with the fix | 23:34 |
| @preaction | and yes, but that's a much bigger fix | 23:34 |
| @preaction | well, if anything else is using window.location, or a URL just by appending '?...', it needs to be fixed | 23:34 |
| @preaction | but anyway, i think we have a solution now, so we can play russian roulette for who wants to implement | 23:35 |
| Haarg | or just by using '?blah' directly as a url apparently | 23:35 |
| @preaction | i thought that's what i was doing with i18n, but maybe not | 23:35 |
| Haarg | since the browser constructs the url in that case and i gather ie can end up doing wrong | 23:35 |
| Haarg | i think you were | 23:36 |
| @preaction | i mean, i liked the whole "ooh, i can just use ?sdfsd as a url and not worry about pageURL or whatever" | 23:36 |
| @preaction | seems we don't get that anymore. pity. | 23:37 |
| Haarg | encodeURI encodes things that aren't valid in URLs, which is basically just non-ascii characters. it also encodes % though, which is the problem with perlDreamer's patch i believe. | 23:37 |
| @preaction | so i'll fix this how about? it'll also give me an excuse to lay some groundwork for a larger JS API | 23:37 |
| @frodwith | I didn't look at most of perlDreamer's patch, he just introduced a syntax error in poll.js | 23:38 |
| @frodwith | and I asked what he was trying to do, and he reverted his commit | 23:38 |
| @preaction | and we'll deal with that offline, right now i'll take any ideas for things a webgui.url JS API should have besides webgui.url.page and webgui.url.extras | 23:39 |
| @frodwith | don't we already have something like that preaction? | 23:41 |
| @preaction | window.getWebGUIProperty("pageURL") | 23:41 |
| @frodwith | yeah that guy | 23:41 |
| @preaction | i only know it because it's useless and doesn't make sense | 23:42 |
| Haarg | are you going to have those be strings or functions for constructing URLs? | 23:42 |
| @preaction | functions, they have to be | 23:42 |
| @preaction | page() would take window.location, remove ?, and normalize | 23:42 |
| @preaction | just like session->url->page does | 23:42 |
| @frodwith | so webgui.url.page('?foo=bar')? | 23:42 |
| @preaction | or something, yeah | 23:42 |
| Haarg | oh and i guess my earlier thing would have to be encodeURI(url).replace(/%25/g,'%') | 23:42 |
| @preaction | if i add asset properties, should it be webgui.asset as an instance of WebGUI.Asset? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | or maybe wg.asset as an instance of WebGUI.Asset? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | or maybe WG.asset? | 23:43 |
| Haarg | and that would be the current page asset? might be useful to have multiple assets available. | 23:44 |
| @preaction | yeah, it'd be "current asset" | 23:45 |
| @preaction | WebGUI.Asset would have a fetch() and store() method to get more assets, eventually | 23:45 |
| @frodwith | are asset properties public? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | that's what makes me thing I should hold off on it | 23:45 |
| @preaction | that and requiring a JS file include on every page might not be a good idea, but optionally allowing it would be different | 23:46 |
| @preaction | humph. we're reaching the point though where we are going to need a JS file include on every page | 23:47 |
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| @preaction | so any objections to my upcoming proposal: | 00:30 |
| @preaction | every page includes some frequently-used metadata like extrasURL exactly as is. any other metadata (Settings, Config, Assets) must be grabbed using AJAX | 00:31 |
| @preaction | a /extras/webgui.js that sets up a namespace and fills in some simple functions | 00:31 |
| @preaction | later, extras/webgui/{asset.js,config.js,session.js} that get that data | 00:32 |
| @preaction | i'll take silence as assent, as i usually do | 00:33 |
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| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r11f7d40 / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Document that Try::Tiny is required in testEnvironment.pl. This is really a requirement for backporting. - http://bit.ly/gn9tKR | 01:15 |
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| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r6793c00 / lib/WebGUI/Form/Zipcode.pm : Fixing a useless use of d switch in the zipcode macro - http://bit.ly/eGDU3y | 17:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | frodwith, re problem with headTags in the test suite from yesterday | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I ran the suite on the master branch last night and didn't have any test failures due to that | 19:12 |
| @frodwith | it had something to do with dropbox not keeping up with a git checkout | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, cool then | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it did leak some users, but I'll track that down and fix it today | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | great, the leaking users aren't happening on every run | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | which means there's some flaky test somewhere that drops users occasionally | 20:03 |
| scrottie | on their heads? | 20:05 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rf9036f2 / t/Macro/AdminToggle.t : t/Macro/AdminToggle.t failed if default template parser was not html template - http://bit.ly/hayixX | 20:24 |
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| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r26eb6c5 / t/Asset/Post/notification.t : likewise t/Asset/Post/notification.t - http://bit.ly/f9xzlh | 20:31 |
| @frodwith | speaking of default template parsers | 20:38 |
| @frodwith | Snippet uses whatever the default template parser is if you select "process as template" | 20:38 |
| @frodwith | which means your snippets that do that all break if you switch default parsers | 20:38 |
| @frodwith | anyone have an objection to making that a drop-down that selects from available parsers? | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it should be | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | especially now since we're using TT more and more often | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith: would you mind backporting those test changes to stable while you're at it? | 20:39 |
| @frodwith | sure perldreamer, the ones that port directly anyway. This one is snippet.t failing for obvious reasons, and I'm not going to backport the snippet dropdown, so I won't backport the test either | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I just mean the AdmintToggle and Post/notification changes | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | any tests you write for new features should stay in beta | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | unless they get promoted to bug fixes, which in this case is quite likely | 20:41 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r81f4b44 / t/Asset/Sku/Product.t : yet another template test failure - http://bit.ly/e9POA0 | 20:43 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r8ddf164 / t/Macro/AdminToggle.t : t/Macro/AdminToggle.t failed if default template parser was not html template - http://bit.ly/ePKZpt | 20:44 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r9ebe734 / t/Asset/Post/notification.t : likewise t/Asset/Post/notification.t - http://bit.ly/eAW0Aq | 20:44 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver webgui-7.9 * r3c3142b / t/Asset/Sku/Product.t : yet another template test failure - http://bit.ly/hc1BUp | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | if I had a week, I'd rewrite all those old hand templated macro tests to use Haarg's Mocked asset scheme | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | then it wouldn't matter | 20:45 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r09f47f4 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add the missing JS files to the default shopping cart template. Fixes bug #12086. - http://bit.ly/feXpTi | 21:46 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3ad6c4e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/templates.txt): Document the need to reference in the template JS files that used to be hardcoded in Cart.pm. Fixes bug #12086. - http://bit.ly/dTvpS5 | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | lunch time | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | yay! Principal photography! | 23:19 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r3531c4d / (8 files in 6 dirs): | 23:24 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: Snippets can now select a template parser | 23:24 |
| CIA-17 | webgui: (instead of being restricted to the configured default) - http://bit.ly/i4fGkE | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, instead of passing in the template parser to processRaw, can we do $self->get('templateParser') ? | 23:36 |
| @frodwith | processRaw is a class method | 23:36 |
| @frodwith | there is no $self | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 23:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and since we can't make quick/dirty in-memory assets in 7 yet, I guess that's what it is | 23:38 |
| @frodwith | you sort of can with newByPropertyHashref | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 23:39 |
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