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| +perlDreamer | preaction: in general, mechanicals are expensive | 00:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | you should be able to buy quad or octal switches in packages that will handle the current | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | so go solid-state | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and, be sure to either buy current-limiting LEDs, or get a pack of 4.7K resistors | 00:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a pretty common beginner mistake, the LEDs are really, really bright | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | for about 9 seconds before they melt | 00:24 |
| @preaction | okay, but are those switches or relays? the board has about 1.5" between rows, thus contacts | 00:31 |
| @preaction | the peggy thing would work, but i'd need inputs for the switches, and there aren't enough for it | 00:32 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, depends on what you want to do and how you want to build it | 00:50 |
| @preaction | the cheapest possible way that does: as the token passes through an area, the LED in the area lights up | 00:51 |
| @preaction | and "a button to turn all the LEDs off" | 00:51 |
| @preaction | that's the minimum operational spec | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | LEDs stay on after they have been lit? | 00:51 |
| @preaction | yes, until they are blanked | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | then it sounds like a bank of SR Flip Flops, that drive a matching bank of solid state switches | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and then glue logic and circuits to make it do the right thing | 00:52 |
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| @preaction | SR NOR latch? | 00:55 |
| @preaction | and then the LED input attached to Q and ~Q left open? | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | no, master reset tied to R | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Set tied to your detector end | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Q drive the switch control | 00:57 |
| @preaction | ah, i get it. so the solid-state switch is a relay. moving the latch to the SR flipflop instead of needing a latching relay | 00:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | should be much less expensive, depending on how much current you burn per LED | 01:00 |
| @preaction | probably 3.3v or 5v, low-brightness LED. not looking to light a room, just show some flare | 01:01 |
| * preaction has no clue what he just said | 01:01 | |
| @preaction | so then what would i need to buy to get the logic? | 01:03 |
| +perlDreamer | switches will come in quad or octal configurations | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | SR Flip flops will come in duals or quads | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | You could do all this with an FPGA, but the high pin count FPGA's are expensive, as are the burners to program them | 01:05 |
| @preaction | dual meaning two full controls? or just two inputs for one full control? | 01:05 |
| @preaction | i'd like to have the switch and flipflop as close to the LED as possible, to minimize the massive amount of wiring this is all gonna require | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | dual meaning a pair of FF's in 1 package | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | a higher package count will up your costs | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can go with commercial CMOS logic since all the power's being burnt through the switches | 01:07 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdd7e601 / (9 files in 9 dirs): | 01:08 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Add a workflow activity that reverifies that all subscribers to a CS can still | 01:08 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: view the CS, otherwise, remove them. Hook up the workflow to the update method | 01:08 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: in Collaboriation.pm and create an instance for it if the groupIdView changes. | 01:08 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Add tests for the activity. Add a new workflow. Update the default | 01:08 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: WebGUI.conf. - http://bit.ly/fX9qa9 | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you're still going to have a ton of wiring, likely a set for each pin | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, it's just length :( | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | how are you with a wire wrap tool? | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r29b5ddc / (9 files in 9 dirs): | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Add a workflow activity that reverifies that all subscribers to a CS can still | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: view the CS, otherwise, remove them. Hook up the workflow to the update method | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: in Collaboriation.pm and create an instance for it if the groupIdView changes. | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Add tests for the activity. Add a new workflow. Update the default | 01:09 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: WebGUI.conf. - http://bit.ly/h8LZYL | 01:09 |
| @preaction | i haven't done any of this at all, ever | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, start off by buying some breadboard | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | try all of this out before you start to scale it | 01:09 |
| @preaction | of course | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | (it's very odd giving you advice, usually it flows the other way :) | 01:10 |
| @preaction | SR. Set - Reset. ha! | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | so, beginner's kit | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Breadboard | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | power supply | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | lots of 20 gauge wires in different colors | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | wire strippers | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | multimeter with V, I ohm and continuity functions | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you should be able to get one at Makershed | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | a kit like that | 01:12 |
| @preaction | i've got the tools actually, just need the board, power, and wire | 01:12 |
| @preaction | multimeter is useful for home applications | 01:12 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but will it reliably measure milliamps? | 01:13 |
| @preaction | not sure, but i'll check. it might be a bigger one | 01:13 |
| @preaction | would radioshack work? | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | if it says mA on the dial, you should be good :) | 01:18 |
| @khenn | sounds like Doug is taking "christmas lights" to a new extreme | 01:24 |
| @khenn | Merry Chris-nehren-ica ? | 01:25 |
| @preaction | more like "homemade pinball machine", which ought to be a fun project someday soon | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | what I want is an X11 compatible LED christmas light switch | 01:25 |
| @khenn | haha so you can cron them? | 01:25 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing so fancy | 01:26 |
| @khenn | or so you can have a big button on your machine to turn them on | 01:26 |
| @khenn | and freak out your wife | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so I can turn them off at night without going outside | 01:26 |
| @khenn | ah | 01:26 |
| @khenn | they do have remote stuff now | 01:26 |
| @khenn | I saw one in the store | 01:26 |
| @khenn | for just that thing | 01:26 |
| @khenn | you send a remote signal which flips the switch to on | 01:26 |
| @khenn | outside | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but with an X11 setup, you can run different zones of lights | 01:30 |
| @khenn | beggars can't be choosers! | 01:32 |
| @preaction | i beg to differ! | 01:32 |
| @khenn | still begging =) | 01:33 |
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| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54d31e2 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.10.6 release. - http://bit.ly/hEfzuC | 06:38 |
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| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rdaaf6d4 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.10.7 development - http://bit.ly/er8jkP | 07:04 |
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| +Radix_ | What's the stable release now? I've been away | 07:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | it's .18, Radix_, you're right on the money | 08:30 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:27 |
| +bartjol | howdy | 16:30 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, these kind of sentences make me worry during an upgrade: We're doing some stuff here that you should know about... DONE! | 17:31 |
| SDuensin | lol | 17:32 |
| +bartjol | I didn't put it there | 17:34 |
| +bartjol | aha, it was Colin | 17:35 |
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| @preaction | github's new "teams" feature has a really horrible UI... | 20:18 |
| SDuensin | Well, that makes it fit right along with git. :-P | 20:23 |
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| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b0dcf2 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.10.5-7.10.6.pl : Remove default message for the upgrade sub and replace with something more useful. - http://bit.ly/hgdExD | 20:23 |
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| +perlDreamer | I hate Net::Twitter | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't install it via CPAN | 20:43 |
| SDuensin | I generally don't care for Twitter. Leave it out. :-) | 20:44 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, what problems do you have installing it from cpan? | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | the twitter user used for testing has been canceled due to overuse | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | so the tests fail | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and it won't install | 21:20 |
| Haarg | odd | 21:20 |
| SDuensin | lol | 21:20 |
| Haarg | i just installed it and it worked | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | t/stack_trace..................NOK 4/4# 'User has been suspended at /root/.cpan/build/Net-Twitter-3.14002-dxgHAU/blib/lib/Net/Twitter/Error.pm line 21' | 21:21 |
| Haarg | yeah that test passed for me | 21:22 |
| Haarg | same version | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's only a short term suspension, from too many accesses in an amount of time? | 21:23 |
| Haarg | the account is supposed to be suspended | 21:23 |
| Haarg | that's what the test checks | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's failed on every server I've set up over the last several months | 21:25 |
| +perlDreamer | this is #4 or 5 | 21:25 |
| Haarg | what version of Devel::StackTrace is on the servers? | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | 1.20 | 21:28 |
| Haarg | i'm pretty sure that's the issue | 21:35 |
| Haarg | 'Added a frame_filter option which allows for fine-grained control...' in 1.21 | 21:35 |
| Haarg | which is used in Net::Twitter::Error | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll file a bug against Net::Twitter saying that it needs 1.21 and should be in the requirements for the module. | 21:38 |
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| xdanger | damn, shouldn't have bought that civ5, huge time killer... Just one more turn! | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | lol | 22:02 |
| SDuensin | Didn't learn your lesson on the first four? | 22:02 |
| xdanger | yes | 22:03 |
| xdanger | and then "maybe I should try this new one, what has changed in it" | 22:03 |
| xdanger | good thing in civ4 was that you could setup a timer to remind you every hour or so | 22:03 |
| xdanger | and damn civ5 is heavy for the graphics card | 22:04 |
| xdanger | my macbook pro just barely keeps up, and it's slow when you civilizations size goes up | 22:04 |
| xdanger | I think it will be a slide show if I make a game whit max sized map with max numeber of civs | 22:05 |
| SDuensin | Just goes to show, you can't rule the world with a Mac. | 22:05 |
| xdanger | it's the same on pc | 22:06 |
| xdanger | normal gpu just doesn't cut it | 22:06 |
| SDuensin | Hey, not bashing. I'm sitting here in OS X. :-) | 22:06 |
| xdanger | for a friking turn based strategy game =D | 22:06 |
| xdanger | yea.. I bhougt left 4 dead 2 and orange box at the steam sale =) | 22:07 |
| SDuensin | Orange Box RULES! | 22:07 |
| SDuensin | Where's my Episode 3, Valve?! | 22:08 |
| @preaction | never :'( we never get episode 3 | 22:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a cessation of ntp email updates today! | 00:31 |
| @preaction | but i like getting e-mails! | 00:31 |
| @preaction | it makes me feel popular | 00:31 |
| @preaction | popuuuuular | 00:32 |
| * perlDreamer promises to send you lots of other work related emails in recompense | 00:32 | |
| @preaction | fixed! now i'll never know how many microseconds dusk's hardware clock is off by.. | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm sure it's more than 0 and less than 1e6 | 00:39 |
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| @khenn | preaction are you still around? | 03:15 |
| scrottie | preaction, how are you still around!? we sent our best ninja assassins to kill you! | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction scoffs at ninja assassins | 03:50 |
| +perlDreamer | now, ninja turtles may give him a problem | 03:50 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol! | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I hear my number's up | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or at least requested | 17:12 |
| +bartjol | it is | 17:12 |
| +bartjol | requested | 17:12 |
| +perlDreamer | which IRC client are you using? | 17:13 |
| +bartjol | pidgin | 17:14 |
| +bartjol | what, is it automatically translated to garbled crap? | 17:14 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, no | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes you can find IP addresses through pidgin | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | if you right click on my name on the right, and say info, it'll tell you my IP address | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | well | 17:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but I emailed it too :) | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | I rather ask directly | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | ok, you are user colin | 17:18 |
| +bartjol | and you have your password | 17:18 |
| +bartjol | and the pub key should be installed | 17:18 |
| +bartjol | and, are you able to enter? | 17:22 |
| +bartjol | there might be some latency | 17:23 |
| +bartjol | oh ot is host260.procolix.com | 17:23 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r0e211b4 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.18-7.9.19.pl : Remove default message for the upgrade sub and replace with something more useful. - http://bit.ly/gaNwS7 | 17:38 |
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| Haarg | perlDreamer, i submitted a patch for that Net::Twitter problem and it was accepted. | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | awesome! Thanks, Haarg. | 00:33 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r9dd83f9 / sbin/installClass.pl : Give installClass.pl a frostee's chance in heck of finding the config file without the user UTSLing. - http://bit.ly/hbi3Ml | 01:08 |
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| Haarg | frodwith, you around? | 01:15 |
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| Haarg | scrottie0, it might be better to use the already calculated $webguiRoot variable instead of searching based on the current directory. | 01:24 |
| scrottie0 | ewww. it doesn't even use that and it's wrong in the same way as the other one. | 01:36 |
| scrottie0 | let's just get rid of that. | 01:36 |
| scrottie0 | and it should be trying $configFile inside /data/WebGUI/etc anyway. | 01:37 |
| Haarg | what is wrong with it? | 01:37 |
| scrottie0 | up one directory and then into the lib dir? | 01:37 |
| scrottie0 | because you have to be in the right directory for it to work. | 01:37 |
| scrottie0 | oh, relative to the script's location. | 01:37 |
| Haarg | yeah | 01:37 |
| @preaction | when 8 rolls around it assumes WebGUI is in @INC (or at least WebGUI::Path is) | 01:37 |
| Haarg | i don't love it, but it's the best solution i've come up with | 01:38 |
| @preaction | and they'll all be modules and be happy! | 01:38 |
| scrottie0 | Haarg, in that case, the problem was that it wasn't being used. | 01:38 |
| Haarg | i stuck that @INC calculation in all the scripts, but didn't verify that they all used $webguiRoot i guess | 01:39 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r5705424 / sbin/installClass.pl : Seach more logical places, including relative the bindir of the script. - http://bit.ly/ii6tk9 | 01:46 |
| scrottie0 | heh, then I'm still using configDir. | 01:48 |
| scrottie0 | guess configDir probably comes from a configFile derived from webguiRoot. bleah. | 01:49 |
| Haarg | you definitely don't want those use statements before the $webguiRoot/BEGIN stuff | 01:49 |
| scrottie0 | the first thing cases checked are whether the argument to the script for configFile is complete (absolute or else in the same dir) and doesn't need anything. the second checked is if $webguiRoot . $configFile is valid. | 01:53 |
| scrottie0 | the third cases forces the relative path thing. | 01:53 |
| scrottie0 | seems sane enough. | 01:53 |
| scrottie0 | as for the rest of the script... | 01:54 |
| scrottie0 | some better diagnostics are in order. | 01:54 |
| scrottie0 | er, the module it invokes, I guess. | 01:54 |
| Haarg | http://gist.github.com/726342 i would go with this personally | 01:56 |
| Haarg | there's only two real cases to be concerned with. either the file exists, in which case it's relative to the current path or absolute, or it doesn't exist, which likely means it is in etc. if it isn't, Config::JSON will barf anyway. | 01:57 |
| Haarg | and the path passed in has to be relative to etc | 01:58 |
| Haarg | the use stuff needs to be after the @INC/$webguiRoot stuff because normally with 7.x WebGUI/lib isn't in @INC so it won't be able to find those modules | 01:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Scott, core code also needs tests | 02:00 |
| Haarg | we don't really have any tests for the scripts | 02:00 |
| Haarg | aside from compile tests | 02:00 |
| scrottie0 | assuming the arg is relative to etc? that seems odd. | 02:02 |
| Haarg | well conventionally it is specified as --configFile=www.blah.com.conf | 02:02 |
| Haarg | so yeah that's relative to etc | 02:02 |
| scrottie0 | I can't be arsed. I changed it, tested it manually, and I need to get back to work. | 02:03 |
| scrottie0 | it was completely busted. it's now slightly less busted. mission accomplished. | 02:04 |
| Haarg | that's how basically all the scripts work and i rather hated it which is why wgdev papered over it and why wg8 handles it differently. | 02:04 |
| scrottie0 | and I'd really like to fix some other stuff with this installable asset stuff. | 02:04 |
| Haarg | well, as you left it, it is completely busted. | 02:04 |
| scrottie0 | oh really. | 02:04 |
| scrottie0 | crud, I think I hear my mother calling me. | 02:04 |
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| Haarg | yes. the order change of the use/@INC stuff | 02:04 |
| Haarg | that is broken | 02:04 |
| Haarg | the rest is taste | 02:04 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Scott Walters master * re579c97 / sbin/installClass.pl : Ooops. Maybe if I don't test it at all, it'll work. - http://bit.ly/hFa9On | 02:11 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r922e4ce / sbin/installClass.pl : Take a --configFile of either absolute path or relative to etc. Maybe. - http://bit.ly/i02OJZ | 02:24 |
| +perlDreamer | Why are we making 1 script that takes an absolute path to a config file when the others don't? | 02:28 |
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| @preaction | looks like it could be relative path too | 02:47 |
| @preaction | but it's all moot when WebGUI::Command comes in | 02:47 |
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| @frodwith | Haarg, what's up? | 03:30 |
| Haarg | was thinking it might make sense to use Package::Stash for the stuff you do in Monkey::Patch. even if only as a replacement for Sub::Delete. | 03:31 |
| Haarg | since it's already used by Moose/Class::MOP stuff and now has an XS version to be faster/more correct | 03:32 |
| @frodwith | more correct? | 03:32 |
| Haarg | i don't know the details. that's what the Package::Stash::XS docs say. | 03:33 |
| @frodwith | ah | 03:33 |
| @frodwith | well, I've no objection to the idea. | 03:33 |
| @frodwith | I'll look into it. | 03:34 |
| xdanger | on a sidenote webgui8 testEnvironment.pl is missing UUID::Tiny | 03:34 |
| @frodwith | if you wanted to send me a patch, I would say no *waggle eyebrows* | 03:34 |
| @frodwith | er, wouldn't | 03:34 |
| @frodwith | WOULD'T | 03:34 |
| @frodwith | dangit. | 03:34 |
| @frodwith | I wonder when I lost the ability to type | 03:34 |
| @preaction | i suppose i should fix that one | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | nice DNS catch preaction | 04:19 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:21 |
| @khenn | yay | 16:29 |
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| @frodwith | haarg, heads up. I'm retooling monkey::patch to use package::stash today. | 18:23 |
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| @preaction | finally done with addRevision. 2 hour change. 2 weeks worth of test debugging, and i still don't does it right | 23:02 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rf43541c / (7 files in 6 dirs): | 23:02 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: done with addRevision tests | 23:02 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: remaining fails are other stuff and I need to move on (+8 more commits...) - http://bit.ly/fBFlsz | 23:02 |
| @preaction | we ship with 49 profile fields by default... | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:07 |
| +perlDreamer | Most are pretty throw away | 23:08 |
| @preaction | no wait, 47. two are administrative fields (userId and fields privacy) | 23:08 |
| +perlDreamer | like IRC, IM, etc | 23:08 |
| @preaction | we should add facebook and twitter to the default, and right now i'm moving the "required, unremovable" ones to the users table | 23:08 |
| @preaction | like uiLevel and stuff | 23:08 |
| @preaction | hell, department is USED, but it shouldn't be. IOB should do something else, like groups or something... | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | groups can be ambiguous though | 23:11 |
| @preaction | 23 of those fields are required, though i might be able to get away with leaving out firstName and lastName | 23:11 |
| @preaction | true | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | they're used for Account | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | and Inbox | 23:11 |
| @preaction | right, thought so | 23:11 |
| @preaction | gender? | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | not used anywhere that I know about | 23:11 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is gender agnostic | 23:12 |
| @preaction | what's "toolbar"? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | toolbar? | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, for customizing UI for edit icons | 23:12 |
| @preaction | yes, it's a field in here | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | check out Session->icon | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | it's your favorite API ;) | 23:12 |
| @preaction | oh.. my... god... | 23:12 |
| @preaction | well, it was a good solution for what it needed to do | 23:13 |
| @preaction | so for now it remains | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's v5 code | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | I think | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or early 6.x | 23:13 |
| @preaction | yeah, once i get into making webgui's frontend more CSS friendly, continuing the mantle of the TWG, i'll have a chance to really get into the icons | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think we should use that name anylonger | 23:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's disrespectful to speak of the dead | 23:14 |
| @preaction | meh | 23:14 |
| @preaction | their spirit lives on! | 23:14 |
| @preaction | https://gist.github.com/727569 <- the ones that will be moved. any problems? | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | reviewing | 23:19 |
| +perlDreamer | need to add signature, for Mail::Send or Inbox | 23:21 |
| @preaction | k | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | and I think there's code in User that works with the email delivery preferences, that might need cell phone | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | getInboxSmsNotificationAddress | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the method | 23:23 |
| @preaction | ah yes | 23:23 |
| +perlDreamer | after that, I think you're good | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | but, do we have to worry about migrating custom profile fields? | 23:28 |
| Haarg | personally i would only move things needed by core components, and leave things needed by specific assets as they are. not sure if it matters much though. | 23:29 |
| @preaction | yes, that's the idea. or things i anticipate needing in the core components | 23:32 |
| @preaction | oh, so firstname/lastname would fall outside, as Account::Inbox is not core, it's a plugin | 23:32 |
| Haarg | well i was thinking department because you mentioned that was for the iob | 23:33 |
| Haarg | firstname/lastname are used for user search and other things | 23:33 |
| Haarg | unless that has changed | 23:34 |
| @preaction | ah, right | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and then we can get rid of that awful isDuplicate in the db | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | and make email an index in user | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which prevents duplicate emails for ever and ever | 23:41 |
| @preaction | well, duplicate e-mails isn't a bad thing | 23:41 |
| @preaction | so going on the "core required" not "asset required", i removed department and discussionLayout leaving 22 additions to the users table | 23:53 |
| @preaction | but that should fix the problems with the userProfileData table | 23:53 |
| @preaction | that, and if we add a hook for assets to receive user events (like add and delete) we might be able to have better support for extra collateral user tables | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | per-field privacy settings in the database as a JSON object, call the column "privacyFields"? "privacyPerField"? "privacyPerFieldJson"? | 01:44 |
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| @preaction | should we switch to the Fugue icon set? http://fugue-icons-src.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/all-preview.png | 04:08 |
| @preaction | also, i wonder if i could get some users to agree to tracking their usage of their own website, mainly the admin parts, for usability testing | 04:18 |
| SDuensin | Wow. That's quite the icon set. | 04:19 |
| SDuensin | And I'd track, but all you'd get is a bunch of "ignores his web sites" data. | 04:20 |
| @preaction | like, i'd love to know how often people have to switch back and forth between User and Group management, or if they ever need to go to Workflow from Scheduler, and how they do it, that sort of thing | 04:21 |
| SDuensin | To duplicate the way I manage users and groups, get really drunk and then blindly click things until you remember where they are. :-) | 04:22 |
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| @preaction | What if: WebGUI Workflow managed the workflow triggers instead of having them strewn about the code? | 05:38 |
| @preaction | triggering a workflow would be like: WebGUI::Workflow->trigger( $triggerId => @args ); | 05:39 |
| @preaction | any number of workflows could be attached to the trigger | 05:39 |
| @preaction | and for many triggers, there would be a system-supplied workflow, that you could add your own workflows before or after | 05:39 |
| @preaction | so we'd centralize the workflow/trigger admin interface onto one page, we'd have multiple workflows per trigger (allowing adding workflows without messing up existing ones shipped with webgui, and allowing plugins easier access to system triggers) | 05:40 |
| @preaction | adding a trigger would be as easy as adding a line to the WorkflowTrigger table or something and including WebGUI::Workflow->trigger(...); no need to determine workflowId, no need to pass it the right vars, no need to worry about it at all | 05:41 |
| @preaction | every asset that needs a scheduler could instead add a Trigger, a scheduler could do multiple triggers, and then you'd be able to insert yourself into those workflows too, without screwing up what's already there | 05:42 |
| @preaction | could add some things to make any object method into an Activity too (though it's kinda possible right now), so if your asset does special stuff to Users, you could add a single method "onUserDelete" and have the asset add an activity to the "UserDelete" trigger | 05:44 |
| @preaction | so much of what WebGUI does is actually a Workflow, but not a WebGUI::Workflow | 05:44 |
| @preaction | i could see getting out of hand with this maybe... hmm... | 05:45 |
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| @preaction | did you know? if you don't pass a fieldType into a profileField when setting its properties, it gets made into a TEXT field! | 06:28 |
| @preaction | because it assumes the entire hashref of properties will be passed into it! | 06:28 |
| * preaction adds to his list... | 06:28 | |
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| @preaction | oh, and some random test that was passing when it should never ever have passed ever | 06:36 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r2c51e6d / (15 files in 8 dirs): | 06:38 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: move core profile fields into users table | 06:38 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: this change will fix the problems with the userProfileData table being | 06:38 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: way too big. it also simplifies many basic user search tasks, not | 06:38 |
| CIA-99 | webgui: needing to join the userProfileData table - http://bit.ly/gmU3bc | 06:38 |
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| SDuensin | Hey all. | 16:55 |
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| @preaction | how can one webgui site reliably produce a segfault in apache? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | and only this one site... | 22:17 |
| scrottie | I was seeing those pretty regularly for that one client. | 22:23 |
| @preaction | sdh? but wasn't that the 64/32 problem? | 22:23 |
| scrottie | and I've certainly seen modperl coredump in the past. once I even had to fix it. horrible. | 22:23 |
| scrottie | WebGUI::Content::Asset::getRequestedAssetUrl is actually coming back with something-something/Invalid Asset URL | 22:26 |
| scrottie | "Invalid Asset URL" begin literal | 22:26 |
| @preaction | iirc there's a macro that returns that exact string | 22:26 |
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| scrottie | fun, fun, fun. that URL comes back from the Apache API as being the requested URL for that hit. but the Apache API also says that HTTP_REFERER [sic] is ''. | 22:39 |
| scrottie | something is lying to me. | 22:40 |
| @preaction | ha! segfault was from Storable having stored a session in the fastmmap cache somehow | 22:40 |
| scrottie | nice work. | 22:40 |
| @preaction | though i could be completely jacked, as i dont understand strace and don't know how this all worked | 22:41 |
| @preaction | but deleted the cache file and boom, working | 22:41 |
| @preaction | damn, i should've saved the cache file before i deleted it. could've used it to try to really figure out what happened :p | 22:51 |
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| scrottie0 | attaching gdb to an apache/mod_perl process is another option. then you can get a nice stack trace, all of the way from perl's guts down to httpd's. | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds very parasitic, almost G'ould-like | 23:51 |
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| scrottie0 | you get to call perl's internal Dump_ functions with pointers from the stack! | 23:59 |
| scrottie0 | fun for the whole family. | 23:59 |
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| scrottie | net is extra chunky today. could it be that people are x-mas shopping so hard the 'net itself is buckling? | 00:59 |
| @preaction | i figured out sendmail's problem sending to gmail.com.www.example.com <- we have a wildcard dns for *.www.example.com | 01:01 |
| @preaction | ... but www.example.com isn't a search domain. wtf. | 01:01 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Scott Walters master * r078f558 / lib/WebGUI/Macro/FileUrl.pm : | 01:02 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: When FileUrl returns an error message instead of a filename and the thing hotlinks it (eg, img src), | 01:02 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: the evidence of the problem doesn't show up until the next hit. Even more fun, the error message | 01:02 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: gets lower-case-ified as part of conicialization so if you ack for it without -i, you won't even | 01:02 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: find where the error came from. So perhaps it's best to log the error sooner than later. - http://bit.ly/h6N3Ns | 01:02 |
| scrottie | argh. tabs vs spaces. | 01:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | scrottie, why "warn" instead of debug or info? | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like a great way to blow up someone's log file | 01:09 |
| scrottie | because I wouldn't classify this info or debugging. when it img src's to an error message, that generates a warn, so it won't generate more than 2x as much log noise as it already does. | 01:10 |
| scrottie | it will however generate 2x as much log noise as it currently does. it'll just be 95% more helpful noise. | 01:10 |
| scrottie | er, 95x as helpful? I have no idea. | 01:11 |
| scrottie | trying to track down what's causing the 'bleah-bleah/invalid asset' 404's isn't easy. nothing useful appears in the log... of where the link came from. I had to log all of the referers to figure out which template was generating it. this beats even that. | 01:12 |
| scrottie | there should be a log->ether message. it should send the $msg to a random IP address as a UDP packet. | 01:13 |
| scrottie | er, method. | 01:14 |
| scrottie | it shouldn't take someone was a modest about WebGUI experience two hours to track down a stupid missing/broken asset that generates a 404. | 01:15 |
| scrottie | er, with a | 01:15 |
| scrottie | argh | 01:15 |
| @preaction | i'd almost say these are errors: There should be no case where a File asset is missing a storageId or filename, and if the asset is missing entirely... | 01:15 |
| scrottie | no can brain | 01:15 |
| @preaction | warn is more "eh, this might be wrong, but it may in fact be exactly what you wanted." or "i've substituted a default value for your regular value, lets see if you notice!" | 01:16 |
| * preaction still thinks the error log is useless, as no content manager of the site can ever see it | 01:16 | |
| scrottie | people tend to be pretty apathetic about broken links though. as far as errors go, people induldge heavily in that one. when's the last time anyone has run momspider on a site? it's probably been years. | 01:17 |
| scrottie | hrm. quick error log account plugin for admins? | 01:17 |
| @preaction | was thinking of eventually making an Admin plugin for it, optional of course because it'd require some log.conf setup probably | 01:18 |
| @preaction | hm... what in log files is ever "insecure" anyway? why are they always restrictive in permissions? | 01:18 |
| scrottie | then people can generate errors from failure to validate output (like I just failed to do) and they magically become XSS attacks on admins! yay, yay! | 01:18 |
| @preaction | ah, fun! | 01:19 |
| scrottie | old, old versions of Unix used to log the text of passwords in failed login attempts to the operator's console. | 01:19 |
| @preaction | i suppose 8 does have the debug mode thing that spits logs to the ? in the sky | 01:19 |
| scrottie | makes for greasy server room windows. | 01:19 |
| scrottie | seriously though, not being able to see the log is stupid. | 01:20 |
| @preaction | even cpanel and webmin have this feature :p | 01:21 |
| scrottie | TinyWiki does stuff like print '<!-- ', `cvs update $fn`, ' -->' so you can see errors. | 01:21 |
| scrottie | if you view source. | 01:21 |
| scrottie | no program has an excuse for sucking more than TinyWiki. | 01:22 |
| scrottie | hrm, I should do a WebGUI knock off in a 100 lines. | 01:22 |
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| @preaction | Ubic and Morpheus seem like they'd be good for WebGUI | 03:22 |
| @preaction | http://search.cpan.org/~druxa/Morpheus/ | 03:22 |
| @preaction | could use it to replace Config::JSON's include functionality | 03:23 |
| @preaction | but also to allow configuring/overriding assets | 03:24 |
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| @preaction | Ubic looks like wreservice.pl and wremonitor.pl all in one | 03:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: any concerns about making extras/wobject/Dashboard/dashboard.js a Snippet so that it can be worked on? | 19:09 |
| @preaction | yes, making it an asset hurts performance | 19:10 |
| @preaction | or do you mean "by Mackenzie"? | 19:10 |
| @preaction | if i wanted to make the content of a SQLReport in the index, should I index the output of the view() method? or should I index the output of the queries? | 19:18 |
| @preaction | i could see the query having information not desired being hidden by not including in the template | 19:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | I mean in general | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | seems like there are lots of things that could be tweaked by users, but can't be due to not being in Asset form | 19:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, if you index the view method, will it show paginated data? | 19:47 |
| @preaction | the JS file should be referenced from the template, not by the asset. that would allow overriding | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | re JS file, gotcha | 19:47 |
| @preaction | hum... i suppose i could parse the template with the full resultset instead of the paginated resultset... | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that sounds like fun :/ | 19:47 |
| @preaction | yeah.. | 19:48 |
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| @preaction | or i could replace these SQLReports with a directed report for Thingy, and index that content (which is easier to index) | 20:22 |
| @preaction | while i'm at it, i could add an "index columns" field to SQLReport that would index the content of any column you want | 20:23 |
| @preaction | ooh! and since the indexContent will run the query, i could stop the save if the query errors out! | 20:23 |
| @preaction | i just feel like i'm always walking an inclined tightrope made of broken glass while juggling a dozen faberge eggs to try to reach some mystical shangrila | 20:26 |
| scrottie | there's this guy, Dextre Trip, who performs at the ren fair here. he's from Minnesota. makes me proud. he unicycles up an inclined tightrope that's on fire while juggling crazy shit. | 20:29 |
| scrottie | but he's doing it for the bucks. or the lols. not sure which. but one of those two. | 20:29 |
| scrottie | then he duct tapes a large number of firecrackers to his bare chest and lights the string of them. I kid you not. | 20:30 |
| @preaction | perhaps for the challenge? adrenaline is such a wonderful drug | 20:30 |
| @preaction | wow | 20:30 |
| scrottie | *and* he's got a great 'stache. | 20:31 |
| @preaction | that's impressive. not many people can rock a 'stache these days | 20:31 |
| @preaction | i tried and everyone just ended up calling me "hitler" | 20:31 |
| scrottie | eww, ouch. | 20:32 |
| scrottie | terrible as the neck beard is, it won't get you called hitler. | 20:33 |
| @preaction | well, in their defense it was a chaplin moustache, and i did tend to stand at-ease. | 20:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: it was the goose stepping that put you over the edge | 22:14 |
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| elnino | oh I have a dumb question. | 23:43 |
| elnino | I have a NEW install of webgui/wre | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | lay it out, elnino | 23:43 |
| elnino | I'm trying to restore my database. | 23:44 |
| elnino | how do I find out the password for mysql root user? | 23:44 |
| elnino | it doesn't like my restore script from the old server. =( | 23:44 |
| @preaction | you don't find it out, you could change it | 23:44 |
| elnino | see, dumb. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | google: mysql change root password | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | takes about 5 minutes | 23:45 |
| elnino | k. I'll change it. Thanks! | 23:45 |
| --- Day changed Wed Dec 08 2010 | ||
| elnino | The dbs are restored, moving on now. Thanks! | 00:02 |
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| elnino | preaction, were you the one that suggested virtualbox? or was that perlDreamer? | 01:52 |
| @preaction | probably both of us, but pd has actually used it | 01:53 |
| elnino | I can't seem to see my sites at the ip address the vb says it should be at. I tried setting my firewall too (all on the same machine) but without luck. Just wondering if there was a special trick. I'll double check my conf files. | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like you have to change the networking settings | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | or add a route | 02:17 |
| * perlDreamer always works inside a VM. It's easier that way | 02:17 | |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg knows a ton about VirtualBox | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, I think you can say that about Haarg and most things | 02:17 |
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| xdanger | why my pull request (and changes) hasn't made it to any of the beta releses? | 02:18 |
| @preaction | most likely because i missed it, let me merge it quick | 02:23 |
| xdanger | you forgot me? =( | 02:24 |
| xdanger | it's ok, I was just wondering... | 02:24 |
| @preaction | and apparently i have a libcurl that doesn't support https... wonderful | 02:27 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r0a32122 / (4 files in 4 dirs): | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Merge branch 'carousel' | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Conflicts: | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Asset/RichEdit.pm - http://bit.ly/h9ap50 | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r886de76 / (6 files in 4 dirs): | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Merge remote branch 'xvaara/master' | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Conflicts: | 02:29 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/ibolzD | 02:29 |
| @preaction | xdanger: done | 02:30 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r9eded35 / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix warning and add changelog - http://bit.ly/eKAILB | 02:31 |
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| xdanger | I was just reading the irc log about profileFields, maybe there could be a selection in the site creation wizard for which fields to "leave or delete" from the defaults. | 02:49 |
| @preaction | the defaults cannot be deleted or parts of WebGUI will not work | 02:49 |
| xdanger | well I mean the ones that aren't required | 02:50 |
| xdanger | like irc, im, facebook, address, etc... | 02:50 |
| xdanger | It's a little hassle for a new user to go through them one by one | 02:51 |
| @preaction | they will most likely be removed completely, but yes we could instead create a setup step for them | 02:51 |
| @preaction | i want the setup stuff to be all one page anyway, or at least as much one page as possible | 02:51 |
| xdanger | maybe I should file my rfe:s some day.. I gathered a little list that I'd like to see, but I've been on sick leave for two weeks | 02:54 |
| @preaction | indeed, one of these days i want to get some overview of where i plan to go in 8.x, but i'm too busy actually doing it ;) | 02:55 |
| xdanger | I'd love to see lazy sessions =) | 02:56 |
| @preaction | i'm 100% behind that one, including all the reprocussions for the passiveprofiling stuff | 02:56 |
| @preaction | i want metadata to replace userDefined* fields. | 02:57 |
| @preaction | i want taxonomies like Drupal has | 02:57 |
| xdanger | I want tree-structured category "metadata" | 02:58 |
| @preaction | that might be what Drupal's taxonomies are | 02:58 |
| xdanger | (ie. have a category cat -> kittens, if child is selected, the parent is also included) | 02:59 |
| xdanger | I'm not familiar with drupal's taxonomies | 02:59 |
| xdanger | I had a great plan for them two weeks ago, but I've forgotten what it was =( | 03:00 |
| @preaction | yes, that's exactly that. Drupal lets you set up a keyword, say Animal, then subkeywords, Cat, Dog, Human, then sub-sub keywords. If you searched for "Animal", it would include Cats Dogs and Humans | 03:00 |
| @preaction | i plan on installing and trying out a bunch of other products to steal ideas | 03:00 |
| xdanger | “Bad artists copy. Good artists steal.” | 03:01 |
| @preaction | "The secret to originality is hiding your source." | 03:01 |
| xdanger | I also want the category stuff to be predefined | 03:02 |
| xdanger | or you have to in some group to add atleast | 03:02 |
| @preaction | we could set up some default stuff like that, indeed, but we have to be careful | 03:02 |
| @preaction | i want WebGUI Flavors, the "full distribution" ships with multiple site-specific setups, a "blog" setup, a "forum" setup, etc... | 03:03 |
| @preaction | so if your site is mainly a forum, you get a forum already set up with everything | 03:03 |
| xdanger | I have this hacked CS that has categories, I used DBIx::Tree::Nestedset for the tree structure (it's from when that was used in webgui 6.x ;)) | 03:04 |
| @preaction | so you could create a base client site and use flavors to deploy that multiple times easily | 03:04 |
| @preaction | oh, you mean Forum Categories | 03:04 |
| @preaction | yes, when I get to make the new forum asset it will borrow heavily from phpbb and other similar systems | 03:04 |
| xdanger | no, the theads have categories | 03:04 |
| xdanger | and you can filter the listing based on them | 03:04 |
| @preaction | that's already possible with the keywords, no? | 03:04 |
| @preaction | well, not the filtering i guess | 03:05 |
| xdanger | http://en.luovapaja.fi/people?xCategory=4 | 03:05 |
| xdanger | or multiple categories: http://en.luovapaja.fi/people?xCategory=84&xCategory=4 | 03:06 |
| @preaction | this looks like an abuse of the CS. Thingy would've been better (and Thiny 2.0 will better integrate into sites) | 03:06 |
| xdanger | thingy things don't have urls | 03:07 |
| @preaction | that is one thing that will change | 03:07 |
| xdanger | and this predates thingy | 03:07 |
| @preaction | yes, i kinda figured that. it is impressive for how it's doing it (with a threaded messaging system) | 03:07 |
| xdanger | build it for webgui 6.2 or 6.1 | 03:07 |
| @preaction | Thingy SHOULD be capable of this. it is not currently, but it should, and that's the plan | 03:08 |
| @preaction | but 1.0 is always really just learning what 2.0 should be | 03:09 |
| xdanger | I was thinking about converting that to wiki like format, but like a wiki folder, that a user could add articles, rss-feed, gallery etc.. | 03:09 |
| xdanger | I had some great name for it, but can't remember right now | 03:09 |
| xdanger | yeah, I've done some weird things with thingy =) | 03:10 |
| xdanger | It's a great system | 03:10 |
| xdanger | much better than sqlforms | 03:10 |
| xdanger | O! did I publish my thingy alterations? I wanted to add a returnUrl http variable to the queries | 03:11 |
| xdanger | I think I showed it to perlDreamer at some point, but didn't make it into a rfe | 03:11 |
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| xdanger | hehe, I added a way to add metadata to a storaged file =) | 03:14 |
| @preaction | that might intersect with some stuff we've been talking/doing recently | 03:15 |
| @preaction | also, i'm wrong, the site you showed me is a CRM | 03:15 |
| @preaction | though if we can have a Thingy package that works as a CRM, that'd be awesome | 03:15 |
| @preaction | that'd probably require record-level permissions though | 03:15 |
| xdanger | well you could make thingy so versitile that you could build a cms with it ;) | 03:16 |
| xdanger | maybe have a Thingy package that is a Blog, etc.. | 03:16 |
| xdanger | That way someone could customize the blog to their hearts content ;) | 03:17 |
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| @preaction | thingy would be overkill for most of that | 03:19 |
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| @preaction | oh, right, because Blog would integrate with Facebooks and Twitters and stuff | 03:20 |
| @preaction | and would have comments built-in | 03:20 |
| @preaction | Thingy would never | 03:20 |
| xdanger | isn't the comments now a one big json field? | 03:21 |
| @preaction | that will not be in the future | 03:21 |
| xdanger | but yeah, too complicated | 03:21 |
| xdanger | good | 03:21 |
| @preaction | there may be a ^Comments() macro that would take some kind of ID and allow comments on anything, but macros are macros | 03:22 |
| xdanger | hmm... Would it be better to store facebook avatar image in webgui, or to link to the one on fbs servers? | 03:22 |
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| xdanger | Not a bad idea | 03:23 |
| @preaction | i believe the link is changed when the avatar changes, you may be best-served going at the facebook API using Facebook::Graph | 03:23 |
| xdanger | there is a url that points always to the current avatar | 03:23 |
| @preaction | which reminds me that i have to have an 8.x version that focuses on social networks | 03:24 |
| xdanger | http://graph.facebook.com/UID/picture | 03:25 |
| xdanger | so mine is: http://graph.facebook.com/jukka.raimovaara/picture | 03:26 |
| @preaction | nice | 03:26 |
| xdanger | and it would be great if the avatar accepted urls, you could use your gravatar url | 03:26 |
| @preaction | yeah, that'll be part of the social network update | 03:27 |
| @preaction | linking a facebook to an existing account, for example | 03:27 |
| xdanger | I had some conversation about that with someone here, probably you | 03:27 |
| xdanger | That would be good to have sooner than later | 03:28 |
| xdanger | since it's possible on the current version | 03:28 |
| xdanger | just needs a function to do it =) | 03:28 |
| xdanger | (if you create a user account with fb-login and then change your password, both of then works) | 03:29 |
| @preaction | yes, Twitter and Facebook aren't user types really. you could make a WebGUI::Account::Facebook that would do more, or we could make a Form::FacebookId to handle the linking bit | 03:31 |
| @preaction | or the WebGUI::Account::Auth could show alternate auth methods to set up | 03:31 |
| @preaction | that might be the best bet | 03:31 |
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| @preaction | "login with ldap to link your account", something like that | 03:32 |
| xdanger | I don't think that a site using ldap would require a facebook login =) or maybe if the admins use ldap and visitors facebook, but not the same user =) | 03:36 |
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| @preaction | right, but we're talking any Auth method here, not just Facebook. Twitter. any random OAuth. any random OpenID. NTLM. Kerberos. whatever new Auth method shows up in the future | 03:37 |
| xdanger | I created a nice hack login to one small script... it used WWW:Mechanize to login to a different system with given login, and valitated that way =D | 03:37 |
| @preaction | so we use LDAP to auth internal users, and Facebook for community guests | 03:37 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | oh, hoedy | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | howdy | 16:55 |
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| +bartjol | has anyone tried webgui 7.*.* with nginx and rewritten the apache rewrite rules? | 18:19 |
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| @preaction | so apparently if you don't have JS enabled, you can create Event assets that cannot be committed | 20:58 |
| @preaction | you also cannot do recursion, but whatever | 20:58 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer! Consult! should the DateTime form control refuse to give me an invalid date? or should the author have to detect that? or is this something that "form control error state" would be useful for? | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it should refuse to give you a bad date | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | just like integer should refuse to give you a non-integer | 21:15 |
| @preaction | but then what would it give you? | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | now() | 21:16 |
| @preaction | i'm gonna say i hate that idea, but i'll tell you why: when a user who requires approval submits something to the Calendar, they can't change it until it's approved | 21:17 |
| @preaction | Integer, you can just strip off the .X and keep going, but Date, you don't know what they meant if they did something wrong | 21:18 |
| @preaction | let it also be known that i hate Date/Time in general | 21:18 |
| * perlDreamer concurs whole heartedly | 21:19 | |
| * perlDreamer daydreams for a sec | 21:19 | |
| +perlDreamer | www_editSave can do error handling | 21:19 |
| +perlDreamer | so form control error state could be used to handle this case | 21:19 |
| @preaction | right, in this case processProperties (it's a 7.x fix) | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but for now we should get back something safe that won't bomb out when we write to the db | 21:20 |
| @preaction | in FormBuilder, we could have the control return the exact value but set an error flag/message that someone can choose to detect and/or ignore | 21:20 |
| @preaction | or we could throw, same deal | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if people are writing code that ignores exceptions or error handling then we have big problems | 21:21 |
| @preaction | well, if we error from processPropertiesFromFormPost, the asset doesn't get saved and doesn't blow up | 21:21 |
| @preaction | eh, that's not our problem | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it is if it gets into the core | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but we can control that | 21:21 |
| @preaction | oh, right, if we allow someone to commit that into core, then yes, we screwed up | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | off the top of your head, can you think of any cases that fixBrokenAssets doesn't handle? | 21:27 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * re54521f / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExtendCalendarRecurrences.pm : Do not retry bad events for extending recurrence. - http://bit.ly/gDi19t | 21:28 |
| @preaction | no, but theyre broken ;) | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | ya | 21:28 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf83b489 / lib/WebGUI/Workflow/Activity/ExtendCalendarRecurrences.pm : Do not retry bad events for extending recurrence. - http://bit.ly/e4Mjro | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | so, when I fixed the bad asset handling for that Workflow Activity | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it exposed another bug | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | where it goes into a loop and won't process any other events | 21:29 |
| * perlDreamer sighs | 21:29 | |
| @preaction | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ <- our RFE stuff should be like this! | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's nice | 21:33 |
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| @preaction | the other i18n languages are added during release, not in the git repo... | 22:02 |
| @preaction | so tests fail expecting them... | 22:02 |
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| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r48f9687 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11984 No JS allows invalid dates in Event - http://bit.ly/gUphJ4 | 22:33 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.9 * re664547 / (4 files in 4 dirs): fix 11984 No JS allows invalid dates in Event - http://bit.ly/e0D0Lp | 22:36 |
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| +perlDreamer | yup, that's a problem I don't know how to resolve yet | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg mentioned that git may be able to make merged repos | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but that means moving the translation server from svn to git | 22:46 |
| @preaction | yeah | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | and all the associated code rework in the server | 22:46 |
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| elnino | hey perlDreamer - got a vm question for you. | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | lay it on me, elnino | 00:30 |
| elnino | well, I'm not a networking person, but my understanding of the default setup of virtualbox is nat, and the only way I can get other computers to see the webserver on my vm | 00:31 |
| elnino | is to use portforwarding. | 00:31 |
| elnino | mind you, Ihave no idea what I'm talking about. =) | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not a networking person either, so I may not be of too much help | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think the NAT is one way only | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | outbound | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | from the VM to the real world | 00:31 |
| elnino | so I did the the vmboxsetdata command thingy. | 00:31 |
| elnino | and my host computer still can't see my webgui site at 10.0.2.15 (which is the typical default) | 00:32 |
| elnino | so... what host os are you using? | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | host linux, client linux (or windows) | 00:32 |
| elnino | oh. I thought you were working on webgui in the vm. | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | i do | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | but when I want to test the GUI, then I do it from a browser inside the VM | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | I think that the correct mode for 2-way peer networking is to set it up for bridging | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but it would be better to check the VB faq, documents and then the IRC channel | 00:34 |
| elnino | and bridging <>routing | 00:34 |
| elnino | righ? | 00:34 |
| elnino | t? | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | they're different modes for the VB networking | 00:34 |
| elnino | i | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | routing would be a separate issue, where on the host side you'd have to setup a route into the VM | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but hopefully, that's handled automatically | 00:35 |
| elnino | I've been staring at their documentation. | 00:35 |
| elnino | my host is win2000, my guest is centos | 00:35 |
| elnino | but it sounds like you don't browse from the host to the webserver on your guest. - that you do it all within vm | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, mainly because I don't know how to do the networking differently | 00:37 |
| elnino | =) | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | but, if one used the WebGUI VM, that wouldn't be possible | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | since I don't think it includes an X environment | 00:37 |
| elnino | huh? | 00:37 |
| elnino | are we talking backwards? | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the VM that I use for some development is a full CentOS environment running inside VirtualBox | 00:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI Appliance VM is really stripped down, and I'm fairly sure it doesn't include X at all | 00:38 |
| elnino | right, I can get out from my webgui vm. that isn't the problem. | 00:38 |
| elnino | I wouldn't know how to use x anyway. =) | 00:38 |
| elnino | its my browser on my windows 2000 machine can't see my webgui sites on my vm. | 00:38 |
| +perlDreamer | righ | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 00:39 |
| * elnino is rereading what was previously said. | 00:40 | |
| elnino | I think I got confused when you said "that wouldn't be possible" but I think now I understand what "that" is now. =) | 00:41 |
| elnino | ok. | 00:41 |
| elnino | so back to the docs. | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that being "inside VM browsing" | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:41 |
| elnino | yeah. | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch06.html ? | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | Host-only networking looks like a good option, but that manual is for the newest VB | 00:43 |
| elnino | yep, that's too new for the versio I needed for win2000 | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | what options do you have available? | 00:46 |
| +perlDreamer | should be at least NAT and Bridging | 00:48 |
| elnino | "not attached", "NAT", "Host Interface networking" and "Internal Networking" | 00:48 |
| elnino | The Hosting Interface Networkign I think is the bridging. | 00:49 |
| elnino | I didn't want to attempt it at midnight last night, so I 'll look at it again. | 00:49 |
| elnino | I'm running 1.5.6 | 00:50 |
| * perlDreamer would try Host Interface networking | 00:50 | |
| +perlDreamer | do you have a link to the manual for that version? | 00:50 |
| elnino | yep, I have it open right now. | 00:51 |
| elnino | oh. a link? no | 00:51 |
| elnino | I have a pdf. | 00:51 |
| elnino | ok. it sounds more reasonable now.. =) I have to go now, I"ll play with it more later. Thanks! | 00:52 |
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| +SynQ | ohmmm | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, SynQ! | 01:45 |
| +SynQ | howdy | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | congratulations for Huup | 01:45 |
| +SynQ | it's with a b in the end | 01:45 |
| +perlDreamer | contgratulations for him, too | 01:46 |
| +SynQ | thanks man | 01:46 |
| +SynQ | he is a great guy | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | what does his sister think about him? | 01:47 |
| +SynQ | she keeps asking 'schoot' | 01:47 |
| +SynQ | which means lap | 01:48 |
| +SynQ | and then she wants to hold him | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, very cute | 01:48 |
| +SynQ | and sqeeze him tight :) | 01:48 |
| +SynQ | no one else? | 01:56 |
| +SynQ | just portland awake? | 01:57 |
| +perlDreamer | the channel has gotten very quiet lately | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | Doug's around | 01:59 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino a little while ago | 01:59 |
| +SynQ | ah | 01:59 |
| +SynQ | silence before the hurricane | 01:59 |
| +SynQ | well | 02:01 |
| +SynQ | I almost have to head for bed | 02:01 |
| +perlDreamer | with a new baby, get all the sleep you can | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | and make Bart do the hard work :) | 02:02 |
| +SynQ | hehe | 02:06 |
| +SynQ | I'm trying | 02:06 |
| +SynQ | nite | 02:07 |
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| @preaction | so I think I can add everything in a Thing to the index | 02:36 |
| @preaction | by simply adding a "url" field | 02:36 |
| @preaction | as the third part of the primary key | 02:36 |
| @preaction | the asset would be used to get permissions, and the url would be given to the user besides the asset url or the container url | 02:38 |
| @preaction | the url would be optional, of course | 02:38 |
| @preaction | omg yes! and groupIdView and groupIdEdit and ownerUserId are IN THE INDEX! | 02:40 |
| @preaction | in 4 hours i could have any arbitrary url in the asset index | 02:40 |
| @preaction | er... apparently url would be the second part of the primary key, and apparently is not optional. wtf is it in there for? | 02:43 |
| @preaction | we instantiate the asset no matter what. no need for this kind of denormalization (except perms, which i agree with) | 02:44 |
| @preaction | i now open the floor to rebuttles while I go grocery shopping | 02:50 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: I don't get it | 03:48 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:36 |
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| neil___ | Hi | 17:08 |
| neil___ | In the WRE console, I have setup up Backups to be saved /backup but nothing is backed for two days now. What is missing? | 17:08 |
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| +bartjol | howdy | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | so, backups | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | neil___: are they only local on /backups | 17:16 |
| +bartjol | ? | 17:16 |
| +bartjol | /backup sorry | 17:16 |
| +bartjol | do you have your wre.conf available? | 17:16 |
| neil___ | yes. | 17:18 |
| +bartjol | backups are enabled enabled I suppose | 17:20 |
| neil___ | Yes. "enabled" : "1" | 17:21 |
| +bartjol | ok, sorry I was distracted by my work | 17:28 |
| +bartjol | ok in items there is at least one ¨1¨ | 17:30 |
| +bartjol | the user that performs the backup also has write access to the dir? | 17:32 |
| +bartjol | the backup path begins with / ? | 17:34 |
| neil___ | Only user, webgui was created. And user, root created /backup. Group: root, Owner: root, permissions: 0755 | 17:36 |
| +bartjol | ok, but in the cron of which user is the backup script called? | 17:36 |
| +bartjol | if your normal user does that. he won be able to write there | 17:37 |
| +bartjol | or the webgui user | 17:38 |
| +bartjol | eeh what os do you use? | 17:40 |
| neil___ | How could I know which user executes the cron? | 17:40 |
| +bartjol | well just type crontab -l | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | that displays it | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | with -e you can edit it | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | it should be done by root | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | in this instance | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | or change the ownership, but let´s take the easy way | 17:42 |
| neil___ | crontab -l returns no crontab for root | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | so do ¨sudo crontab -l¨ | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | cat /etc/crontab | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | that is another place | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | that is prolly the best place to do that | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | neil___: ? | 17:48 |
| neil___ | I'm here, but confused | 17:49 |
| neil___ | The instal is on CentOS 5.5 32 bit. I'm logged in as root. And found the crontab isn't executed by root. | 17:49 |
| +bartjol | ok, it is done as your normal user? | 17:50 |
| +bartjol | well, there you go | 17:50 |
| +bartjol | so add it to the crontab of root or in /etc/crontab (supposing that exists in centos, maybe that is a debian thing) | 17:51 |
| +bartjol | and run a test | 17:56 |
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| neil___ | The crontab is now added in /etc/crontab. How do I execute a test? The Admin Guide doesn't have an example. | 18:01 |
| +bartjol | just run ¨perl /data/wre/sbin/backup.pl¨should also work without the perl | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | just run the command as the user that will do it | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | can you show me the crontab line? | 18:03 |
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| neil___ | 0 2 * * * /data/wre/sbin/backup.pl, it doesn't work with perl | 18:06 |
| +bartjol | ah | 18:09 |
| neil___ | The test backed up everything, the default settings in WRE console had selected | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | in /etc/crontab you also prolly set the user : | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | 17 * * * * root $command | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | off course the time and command should be chosen by you | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | so 0 2 * * * root /data/wre/sbin/backup.pl | 18:11 |
| neil___ | Thank you very much for your help, Bartjol. | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | no problem | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | and check the tomorrow whether it really has done the job | 18:18 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:18 |
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| jegade | hi could i use nginx/starman with webgui in production today? | 18:22 |
| +bartjol | well, you can use another webserver as a reverse proxy to substitute modproxy | 18:23 |
| +bartjol | done that this week | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | but I am not certain of modperlmodperl | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | arg | 18:24 |
| +bartjol | the basicsetup is easy, only having some challenges rewriting the rewrite rules | 18:25 |
| jegade | ok, so i need apache, before 8.0 is released | 18:26 |
| +bartjol | I? afraid so | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | maybe you cab avoid it, but it will take some work | 18:34 |
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| @preaction | jegade: you might be able to use patspam's plebgui package to try it, but i don't know if that's been used in production | 19:43 |
| sbaur | hi everyone. Does anyone know if Graham's slides for the WGDev talk are downloadable somewhere? | 19:45 |
| @preaction | sbaur: yep, on webgui tv http://www.webgui.org/wgtv/webgui-dev | 19:52 |
| sbaur | actually, I'm watching it right now, but the slides are illegible on the video. I was hoping for a link to a pdf of the slides themselves | 19:53 |
| @preaction | hm..there should be a pdf of the slides up there... | 19:56 |
| @preaction | let me figure it out and get back to you quick | 19:56 |
| sbaur | thanks! | 19:56 |
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| @preaction | ah, it could be we don't have the slides for it | 19:59 |
| @preaction | Haarg: if you got a chance could you e-mail me some representation of your slides? | 19:59 |
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| @preaction | Getty: Facebook module? what about Facebook::Graph? | 21:23 |
| Getty | preaction: Facebook::Graph == Facebook Graph API not more not less | 21:36 |
| Getty | preaction: Facebook == Facebook::Graph + WWW::Facebook::API (which is Facebook Old Rest API) + anything else that will fit in (like Cookie reflection, Post reflection and so on, which is all missing in the "2 big other modules") | 21:37 |
| Getty | preaction: and yes, i'm expert with all those modules, checkout Facebook::Manual, i made an overview ;) | 21:37 |
| Getty | also a reason why i "overtake" the Facebook namespace, giving starters better chance for overview | 21:41 |
| Haarg | preaction, slides for what? | 22:02 |
| sbaur | haarg: wuc 2010 wgdev talk | 23:03 |
| Haarg | ah | 23:03 |
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| Haarg | sbaur, preaction https://www.dropbox.com/s/jx3s52nvko3r1n0/Command%20Line%20WebGUI.pdf | 23:37 |
| sbaur | Thanks Haarg, dropbox does not like me right now, I will try again in an hour or so... | 23:42 |
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| sbaur | I got the file, finally | 00:16 |
| Haarg | if you have any questions feel free to ask | 00:38 |
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| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rca42a05 / (2 files in 2 dirs): add toTemplateVars method to form controls - http://bit.ly/gNA4Rk | 02:34 |
| @preaction | here goes the migration to FormBuilder. this oughta be fun... | 02:42 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r50c4910 / lib/WebGUI/Deprecate.pm : add deprecation carp method - http://bit.ly/egztAv | 02:58 |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r1c24c81 / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : migrate User deprecation messages to derp - http://bit.ly/i8Pjuk | 02:58 |
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| @preaction | would it be bad to move all WebGUI::Form::Control classes to WebGUI::Field::* (keeping WebGUI::Field as WebGUI::Form::Control)? | 03:09 |
| @preaction | better: could it be done in a backwards-compatible way? | 03:10 |
| @preaction | hell. this is going to destroy every template in webgui. not that it's a new thing, but i don't have time to write upgrade scripts for this level of migration | 03:18 |
| @preaction | but i can't do it during 8.1+ as it would break packages and other stuff, so it has to be now | 03:19 |
| @preaction | oh oh oh! what if wgd export-branch /root was in the git repo, and the create.sql was built from that for release? | 03:24 |
| @preaction | oh! and we could make .wgpkg for upgrades | 03:25 |
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| SDuensin | FrIdAy! | 16:54 |
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| @preaction | http://jeffkreeftmeijer.com/2010/why-arent-you-using-git-flow/ <- this is damned awesome | 20:27 |
| plainhao | thanks, preaction, that does look awesome | 20:44 |
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| SDuensin | Morning gang. | 16:45 |
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| @preaction | morning #webgui! | 18:40 |
| SDuensin | Hey preaction | 18:41 |
| @preaction | sup holmes | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | Freezin' my butt off at work. | 18:42 |
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| SDuensin | Playing with some cool VM stuff though. At least, playing when I get a few minutes between doing mindless paperwork. | 18:43 |
| @preaction | fun | 18:43 |
| SDuensin | Took my Security+ the other day. Reporting to my company and the Army that I did it was harder than the test! | 18:44 |
| @preaction | doing work for fedgov now? | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Have been for some time. It's sucking my will to live. | 18:45 |
| SDuensin | Hated passing up the offer from PlainBlack, but I couldn't quite make it on that. | 18:47 |
| @preaction | it's not that bad, but then i had a good department: State Deparement, Education and Cultural Affairs | 18:47 |
| @preaction | okay, this person has now been spinning their tires in the snow for 20 minutes. the car isn't moving. | 18:48 |
| SDuensin | Actually, now that I think about it, my job is probably PlainBlack's fault. :-) They needed someone who knew Perl and Windows, which is somewhat an odd mix. WebGUI made me do it! | 18:49 |
| @preaction | could be, we did drop support for windows | 18:49 |
| * SDuensin cheers! | 18:49 | |
| CIA-6 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb49c500 / www/extras/wobject/Dashboard/draggable.js : Bad copy/paste on ajax error message. - http://bit.ly/fNUQjs | 19:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it just me, or are parts of the internet acting wonky? | 20:20 |
| @preaction | i've noticed some wonkiness in some dns recently | 20:22 |
| @preaction | but with Netflix accounting for 60% of all internet traffic, Anonymous accounting for 30%, and govt' sponsored attacks the final 10%, it's amazing any real traffic gets through | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | you forgot spam | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and Lacuna Expanse | 20:27 |
| @preaction | of course, 10% spam and 0.1% TLE | 20:27 |
| @preaction | so this migration to FormBuilder will not be as simple as "substitute one template var for another". this involves restructuring all templates using forms | 20:32 |
| @preaction | and so is a huge barrier to 8.0 adoption | 20:32 |
| @preaction | would it be evil of me to keep backwards compatibility here? | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm confused | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | the original goal was all modules using FormBuilder | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | and having custom form plugins | 20:37 |
| @preaction | right, but not all things use WebGUI::HTMLForm. Some use WebGUI::Form::formHeader and builds the form manually | 20:39 |
| @preaction | HTMLForm is easy to migrate from, as there's only toHtml for that | 20:39 |
| @preaction | but the rest involve templates structured around the idea that there is no structure to the form | 20:40 |
| @preaction | worse, the real benefits of formbuilder wont' be apparent until we can drop html::template as an engine | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | I see, so your question is more along the line of, how do you use FormBuilder's automatically generated template variables with older template | 20:40 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I think you're stuck changing the older templates | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | or, rewriting the template variable names | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | which would suck | 20:41 |
| @preaction | the question is: "Should I?". I could add the FormBuilder vars and add a compatibility layer for the old templates | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | "8 is when we break things" | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | what's easier, building in the compatibility layer, or writing upgrade scripts to change the templates? | 20:42 |
| @preaction | either one has edge cases | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I vote, "Go forward and don't look back" | 20:43 |
| @preaction | i can imagine a case where the compat layer won't work, and i can imagine where the structure of the template changes so much that it can't be rewritten | 20:43 |
| @preaction | this case is going to be easy, and maybe i'm making too much of it | 20:43 |
| @preaction | i guess the main issue is all of PB's shared hosters. we're gonna need some kind of automigration for them | 20:44 |
| @preaction | okay, so i make a function that will change one template variable to another and make a map of those in an upgrade script | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | that's where I was heading with some of the template variable renaming that's already in 8 | 20:45 |
| @preaction | ooh, and while i'm doing this i can actually make sure this stuff all WORKS in 8 | 21:35 |
| scrottie0 | I noticed that the Internet was working conspiciously well, especially after the past few days | 21:48 |
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| @preaction | anyone know how I can find out who authorized an SSL certificate's provider's certificate? the agent who signed my signing agent's cert? | 22:38 |
| ckotil | yeah | 22:52 |
| ckotil | linux box? | 22:52 |
| ckotil | openssl x509 -text -in certificate.name.crt | 22:52 |
| ckotil | do that on both certs, and see if the signature on the CA's cert matches your certs signed by | 22:53 |
| @preaction | okay, looks like the CA cert they provided me has a "Subject Key Identifier" that is equal to my cert's "Authority Key Identifier", which seems logical to me. so my CA's cert was signed by comodo | 22:58 |
| ckotil | that'd be it. | 23:00 |
| ckotil | there's another more elegant way to find out using the openssl cli. but i can never remmember it | 23:00 |
| @preaction | yeah, that openssl cli has a lot of stuff packed in | 23:01 |
| @preaction | i've just finally been remembering how to do the standard keygen / csr process without having to find a tutorial online | 23:01 |
| @preaction | the manpage is incomprehensible :p | 23:01 |
| ckotil | yup | 23:02 |
| @preaction | but it's one of those "I don't know enough about this technology that I put my trust in" situation | 23:02 |
| ckotil | ya. im still using guides whenever dealing with certs. especially when I need to verify a cert | 23:42 |
| ckotil | however the openssl x509 -text -in command i've committed to memory bc I use it a LOT. bc lots and lots of tools use cert's for auth | 23:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, linode wins the "I send too many emails" award | 00:49 |
| @preaction | no more than theplanet does when we have support tickets | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | I just didn't expect to see 10 emails come down the pipe for buying 5 ip addresses | 01:10 |
| @preaction | ah, that's because i had to purchase each one individually | 01:14 |
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| * sbaur is amused that the SSU NewsCenter does not mention Saturday's bookstore incident | 01:44 | |
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| +perlDreamer | sbaur: what's the bookstore incident? | 02:03 |
| sbaur | d'oh -- posted that into the wrong chat window | 02:03 |
| sbaur | on saturday, the campus bookstore was robbed at gunpoint | 02:03 |
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| sbaur | luckily no one was hurt | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | oy! | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 02:04 |
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| CIA-6 | webgui: Graham Knop master * re222cd9 / sbin/installClass.pl : move module loading to correct location - http://bit.ly/gop5CW | 03:03 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:46 |
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| @khenn | is WebGUI 8 going to update password security? | 19:19 |
| @khenn | From the Digest::MD5 module: Note that the MD5 algorithm is not as strong as it used to be. It has since 2005 been easy to generate different messages that produce the same MD5 digest. It still seems hard to generate messages that produce a given digest, but it is probably wise to move to stronger algorithms for applications that depend on the digest to uniquely identify a message. | 19:22 |
| @khenn | probably makes sense to move to some sort of salted digets | 19:23 |
| @khenn | digest | 19:23 |
| @preaction | we could, it's just never been a high priority | 19:36 |
| @preaction | we could SHA2 them and future-proof that by keeping the hash scheme in the db alongside | 19:37 |
| @preaction | SHA3 is due to be agreed-upon and released soon, iirc | 19:37 |
| @preaction | but yes, md5 has been compromised for quite some time | 19:38 |
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| @khenn | yeah, apparently they can be cracked pretty easily with rainbow tables | 19:44 |
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| scrottie0 | regardless of the hash, they should be salted. | 19:59 |
| scrottie0 | MD5 salted > SHA3 unsalted | 20:00 |
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| @preaction | md5 salted is pretty much a dry hole too, the newer tables include the variations, but yes | 20:01 |
| scrottie0 | hrm? I know Unix DES password have a small salt space but I wasn't aware anyone else did. no reason you can't use a 32 or 64 bit salt. doesn't help with collisions but it helps with pre-hashing. | 20:03 |
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| @preaction | maybe i'm just thinking of perl's crypt with "two character salt" | 20:05 |
| @preaction | which we don't use, of course | 20:06 |
| scrottie0 | yeah, that's a (as was often done) clone of the old Unix DES password hash. | 20:06 |
| scrottie0 | EFF built a machine out of PGAs that brute forces the entire keyspace of those in minutes. | 20:07 |
| scrottie0 | and that was years ago now. | 20:07 |
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| Haarg | could also use something like Crypt::Eksblowfish::Bcrypt | 22:18 |
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| @preaction | i just realized: how are we going to upgrade the WRE from Apache to Nginx/Starman/Server::Starter? do I parse the apache configs and try to translate them to nginx? | 04:02 |
| @preaction | nope. just gonna have to be "There is no upgrade path. Kthx." | 04:03 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:28 |
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| SDuensin | Any of you web monkeys tried "Flux" on the Mac? | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | flux? that is a cardgame | 18:37 |
| SDuensin | It's also a killer looking web editor. | 18:38 |
| +bartjol | ah | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | but why is a web editor os specific?, or do you mean websites hosted on a mac? | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | Reason I ask is because the MacUpdate Promo is only $50 and includes Flux. Which is normally like $110 by itself. | 18:42 |
| scrottie0 | My favorite web editor is airpwn. | 18:42 |
| scrottie0 | http://evilscheme.org/defcon/ | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | lol | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | http://www.theescapers.com/flux/ | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | does look cool | 18:44 |
| +bartjol | not that I design that much | 18:44 |
| SDuensin | Ok, the Flux guys are cool. Their favicon is Mario. :-) | 18:48 |
| scrottie0 | I wonder if you get a package deal like that, if you won't be eligible for cheap upgrades in the future. | 19:01 |
| SDuensin | No, you are. Been there, done that. | 19:02 |
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| scrottie0 | as long as we're off topic here, what should I buy the gf's parents for festivus? | 19:23 |
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| scrottie0 | no, Christmas. they're Christian. | 19:24 |
| scrottie0 | oh, I know! A copy of Flux =) | 19:24 |
| @preaction | or a copy of Fluxx, that game rules | 19:34 |
| @preaction | maybe "The Stars are Right"? | 19:34 |
| * scrottie0 googles it | 19:39 | |
| scrottie0 | oh, huh, SJG | 19:39 |
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| --- Log opened Wed Dec 15 20:41:49 2010 | ||
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| scrottie0 | blargh. holidays eating me. halp. | 21:07 |
| plainhao | scrottie0: you should be eating the holidays, that's how it usually works | 21:41 |
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| @preaction | if all i had to do to fix the WRE compile was update ncurses and add a flag to libcrypt, i'm gonna be a little peeved... | 22:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | eh, it happens to all of us | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | hindsight is always 20/20 | 22:37 |
| +perlDreamer | unless you're SDuensin | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | in which case it's 20/40 | 22:38 |
| SDuensin | !!!!!! | 22:38 |
| @preaction | dead on apache. yay! | 22:44 |
| @preaction | so apparently gcc and my system have different ideas about what arch it is. uname -a gives me i386, but gcc when left alone, tries to compile x64 | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | who is right? | 23:01 |
| @preaction | that's a good question, isn't it | 23:01 |
| @preaction | i can't find a system menu that tells me the answer, and it'd be subject to the same questioning. the system is telling me both... | 23:02 |
| @preaction | but that would explain why, unless i explicitly say otherwise, some things are compiling 64, others 32 | 23:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that would make sense | 23:02 |
| @preaction | there we go, made it past apache config. now to wait for imagemagick to fuck it all up again | 23:21 |
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| * perlDreamer twiddles his thumbs and plays minesweeper | 23:26 | |
| +perlDreamer | the tension is killing me! | 23:26 |
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| @preaction | okay, so ImageMagick's configure says the system is i386-apple-darwin-10.5.0 (which it's not, it's 10.6.0), but for some reason the "Target" is i686-apple-darwin10 | 23:54 |
| scrottie0 | autoconf can't configure its way out of a wet paper bag. | 23:55 |
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| @preaction | there are days i wonder what the alternative was to this autoconf-based everything, and how that alternative could have been worse | 00:12 |
| @preaction | okay, so now imagemagick may or may not be linking against a system framework called ImageIO, but since it's actually working, i don't give a rat's ass | 00:17 |
| +perlDreamer | the WebGUI test suite will tell you if it's working | 00:20 |
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| @preaction | you mean if it compiles, it may not run? wtf is the point of all the configure checks then!? | 00:32 |
| @preaction | damn, failed on Crypt::OpenSSL. same problem of "i dunno wtf arch i am" | 00:44 |
| @preaction | probably because i'm doing CC="gcc -m32" instead of CFLAGS="-m32"... | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like you're close, at least | 00:49 |
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| @preaction | nope. going back caused something else to start breaking | 01:02 |
| @preaction | yay! | 01:02 |
| @preaction | the flags used to build one thing destroy another thing | 01:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it is immune to your feeble attempts to fix it! | 01:12 |
| * perlDreamer passes preaction a bigger hammer | 01:12 | |
| @preaction | looks like "gcc -m32" is the correct value for CC, but Perl doesn't seem to pass -m32 on to the XS modules it's compiling, or maybe i'll see. it might be a different flag or something | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | did you know that the dashboard has never had template variable help? | 01:29 |
| @preaction | no, i did not | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'll fix that | 01:30 |
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| @preaction | made it to the perl modules again! i think... | 02:51 |
| @preaction | more warnings about linking the wrong arch, but warnings can be ignored, no? | 02:52 |
| SDuensin | Warning! All your money is being given to SDuensin! | 02:54 |
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| @preaction | would it be bad to tear the WRE up and start over from scratch? | 04:56 |
| @preaction | i think i figured out the perl module problem. now to go back and recompile everything to make sure the whole build works, then to start removing stuff i probably don't need and testing the whole build again... | 05:10 |
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| @preaction | so it turns out that macports was fucking up my Perl build, because metaconf puts /opt/local/lib into the lib paths to link against. macports stuff was built correctly, not braindead like I have to do it, so it doesn't have the right arch | 08:46 |
| @preaction | just... wow... | 08:47 |
| @preaction | well, let's get to DBI/DBD::mysql before i stop crossing my fingers... | 08:47 |
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| SDuensin | Morning all. | 15:56 |
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| cj | scrottie0: I'm sitting next to someone from phoenix ;) | 21:37 |
| scrottie0 | cj: he's 17% less likely to own a lifted truck than someone from Michigan and 23% less likely to be talkin' 'bout shootin' | 21:48 |
| cj | yep. no lifted truck or shootin' talk :) | 21:59 |
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| Getty | RIZEN! | 03:51 |
| Getty | stand up | 03:51 |
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| Getty | RIZEN!!!!!!! | 03:53 |
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| @preaction | successful WRE OS X build on 10.6! hooray! | 06:05 |
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| scrottie0 | lies. | 08:03 |
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| @preaction | it built successfully, don't know if it's portable yet | 08:59 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 15:43 |
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| oe | in WebGUI, how can a Widget be edited? | 17:03 |
| oe | never mind...found something on the Wiki | 17:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol, you disk space curmudgeon you! | 18:55 |
| +bartjol | what did I do? | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | running a server with 16 Gb of space, really | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen bigger thumb driver! | 18:56 |
| +bartjol | someone messed with my mounts | 18:56 |
| +bartjol | well, maybe that's what you get when you give 10 people sudo rights | 18:57 |
| * perlDreamer is not a mount-messer | 18:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | but yeah, too many roots is always a problem | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | roots, bloody roots, now I know where that Sepultura song is about :) | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | but, you only need use amount of diskspace if you have a lot of uploads | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | or backups | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | or upgrades | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | sure, but those are stored on another server | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | upgrades? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | hm... | 19:02 |
| +bartjol | eeh, I believe so, maybe we don't backup the test host | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think it has backups | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | it does has snapshot running | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | doesn't mean that much | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | there are different ways to do it | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | ya, and it's just a test server | 19:05 |
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| @preaction | does anyone think it'd be a good idea to change the versioning of the WRE to match the version of WebGUI coming out? so WRE 8.0 for WebGUI 8.0.x? | 20:05 |
| CIA-71 | wrebuild: Doug Bell master * r858d015 / (4 files in 2 dirs): build succeeds on OS X 10.6 - http://bit.ly/gmyVPq | 20:06 |
| sbaur | preaction: In one sense, I think it's a good idea. It will be easier to figure out what minimum version of the WRE should be used with a given version of WebGUI. But that would necessitate that if Webgui 8.2 needs a "new" WRE, that the WRE would again get bumped to 8.2 whether or not there was an 8.1. | 20:09 |
| @preaction | which i don't really have a problem with, as there can always be prereq updates to the latest, bugs to fix, or features to add | 20:10 |
| sbaur | If the WRE gets updates more frequently because of this, I'm all for it :-) | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, but we've never kept the WRE up to date with WebGUI on a frequent basis | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | SynQ was interested in doing that, once, but I don't know if he still is, or has the bandwidth | 20:37 |
| @preaction | right, but if we let it get so far out of date, it takes longer and longer to update it | 20:37 |
| @preaction | plus i've got a better idea: im gonna use cpan for the perlmodules instead, which will improve development speed | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | let's daydream for a second. We have no Image::Magick, no Apache, no perl, no mysql, everything is system and all that the WRE really is a list of links to perl modules... | 20:38 |
| @preaction | well, that'd be a CPAN install of WebGUI | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yup :) | 20:39 |
| @preaction | WRE is PB's ideal version of WebGUI, with our method: nginx, starman | 20:39 |
| @preaction | WRE Professional adds to that Automat, Zabbix, and maybe CFengine | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | nginx could be done with an Alien::Nginx, then you'd still be able to cpan it all | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | and WRE Professional is for hosters | 20:40 |
| sbaur | um, cfengine sounds pretty darn good to me, and I'm no hoster :-) | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | sbaur: you maintain multiple servers. You're a hoster | 20:41 |
| @preaction | well, we'd use cfengine on your behalf, maybe finding a way for you to use it for your servers as well | 20:42 |
| sbaur | if that's your definition, then ok, i'll stipulate hoster for this discussion | 20:42 |
| @preaction | but obviously we need some kind of hosting automation, as the time involved with maintenance is starting to get to me | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I agree, but think about maintaining the hosting automation such that other people could use it | 20:49 |
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| @preaction | we don't have to hook Automat into CFEngine or anything like that | 21:28 |
| SquOnk | Greetings | 21:38 |
| @preaction | afternoon | 21:38 |
| SquOnk | When is 7.9.19 going to be released? | 21:38 |
| @preaction | i'll be releasing it Monday i suspect | 21:39 |
| SquOnk | preaction: Good. | 21:40 |
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| SquOnk | My RFE regarding the "multiple shortcut" ability in the Asset Manager will make it into 7.10? | 22:14 |
| @preaction | probably not, unless someone provides a patch | 22:16 |
| SquOnk | preaction: I see | 22:17 |
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| @preaction | wait, Thingy doesn't import/export the data records in the wgpkg? only the Things get packaged? | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | that's true | 00:10 |
| +perlDreamer | here's another one, a survey package does not include the tests | 00:10 |
| @preaction | fun! | 00:11 |
| @preaction | wish i had 4-8 hours to change all the various Thingy setCollateral calls into an API | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Arjan Widlaak master * r3d79b8b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 00:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: - fixed bug 11997: maximumAssets is ignored | 00:12 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: - fixed bug 11998: maximumAssets prevents editing existing assets if maximum is reached - http://bit.ly/fTPquY | 00:12 |
| @preaction | oops, i forgot to report 11998 | 00:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no tests? | 00:27 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Arjan Widlaak webgui-7.9 * re6483f6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm): | 00:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: - fixed #11997: maximumAssets in config is ignored | 00:28 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: - fixed #11998: maximumAssets prevents current assets from being edited if maximum is reached - http://bit.ly/eHTlM3 | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | still no tests? | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I guess it only applies to www_editSave | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and traditionally we haven't tested the GUI | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | which only means we should have found a way to abstract it out better in the first place | 00:30 |
| @preaction | eh, wouldn't be too hard to test | 00:30 |
| @preaction | in 8, editSave returns only a redirect, so wouldn't be too hard | 00:31 |
| @preaction | also WebGUI::Test::Mech is awesome | 00:31 |
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| @preaction | the view() method of the Map was the worst idea I ever had... | 01:02 |
| @preaction | impossible to override or extend anything in there. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | at least, without breaking everybody else's custom map template | 01:03 |
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| Covalence | Hello. | 18:02 |
| Covalence | I had a quick question about the WRE, is it up to date or should I perform a source installation? It seems that the source has been updated more. | 18:03 |
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| cj | scrottie0: guess what. | 18:25 |
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| scrottie0 | I don't see a multi-select flavor of Form::SelectList. is there an idiom for doing this? or an example? or should I try to make a nice round wheel? | 20:23 |
| Haarg | i think you just have to set multiple => 1 on it, which might be the default | 20:32 |
| scrottie0 | huh. reading through the code, I was convinced that it couldn't handle that. and I'm still skeptical... | 20:33 |
| scrottie0 | but it looks like people are using that. | 20:33 |
| +perlDreamer | ya, SelectList is multi-select by default | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | selectBox is single select | 20:36 |
| scrottie0 | getDatabaseFieldType doesn't look like it can store it... and it does if(ref .. eq 'ARRAY') { $value->[0] } a lot... but somehow this works. hrmm. okay. more research required. | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it works | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | it will accept lots of things for defaultValue | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | let me put it this way | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | if it doesn't work, every WebGUI website in the world just stopped working | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | such things can, and do happen | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | but not in this instance | 20:41 |
| Haarg | it stores multiple values joined with \n | 20:44 |
| scrottie0 | Haarg, ahh. | 20:46 |
| scrottie0 | cool. thanks. I shall have faith =) | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | apparently in YUI, it's perfectly okay to close bugs with things like: | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | "This is a complete rewrite in YUI 3.0 so this problem will not exist." | 20:55 |
| scrottie0 | whoah. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I've seen the future! WebGUI 8 is a partial rewrite | 20:57 |
| scrottie0 | I'm guessing the bug wasn't filed _against_ 3.0. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | no, but wouldn't you think you'd say something like... | 20:57 |
| scrottie0 | in which case, "unfixable" would be more accurate. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | "Verified that the bug does not exist in edit for 3.0, closing since the bug will not be fixed in 2.0" | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | that would give me warm fuzzies, knowing that they're not going to just close out bugs filed against 2.x | 20:58 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:30 |
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| BartJol1 | howdy | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | howdy BartJo1 | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | here's hoping for a nice, relaxing day full of perl coding | 18:10 |
| @khenn | java here =( | 18:14 |
| @khenn | I miss perl | 18:14 |
| SDuensin | Perl here. I miss Java! :-P | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | khenn, at least it was something familiar to you :) | 18:15 |
| @khenn | java? | 18:15 |
| SDuensin | Then again, if you saw the Perl code at my real job, you'd pine for COBOL. | 18:15 |
| @khenn | I'd rather code in VB or .NET than Cobol =p | 18:15 |
| @khenn | and I hate those languages | 18:15 |
| @khenn | perlDreamer: | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | yo? | 18:18 |
| SDuensin | Which is my point. That's how bad the Perl is here! | 18:18 |
| @khenn | if you guys ever re-write the workflow engine in WebGUI | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on the table, actually | 18:18 |
| @khenn | you should look at something like this: | 18:18 |
| @khenn | http://search.cpan.org/dist/VS-RuleEngine/lib/VS/RuleEngine.pm | 18:18 |
| @khenn | been using drools here and rules engines are way cool | 18:18 |
| @khenn | and very powerful | 18:18 |
| @khenn | should make writing workflow activities trivial | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, thanks khenn! | 18:20 |
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| +bartjol | he didn't even say goodbye, strange guy | 18:38 |
| +bartjol | well, goodbye | 18:38 |
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| SDuensin | hehe | 18:38 |
| @preaction | what does the rule engine get us? it's a framework, sure, but it seems verbose, which is the main reason i hate most MVC frameworks | 19:46 |
| scrottie0 | there's an open source knock-off of Yahoo! Pipes kicking around. I'd love to see something like that going. | 19:46 |
| SDuensin | Is there? | 19:50 |
| SDuensin | Ooo. | 19:50 |
| scrottie0 | not the one I was thinking of but this is interesting: http://pipes.deri.org/ | 20:06 |
| SDuensin | looking | 20:07 |
| SDuensin | That's cool. | 20:07 |
| @preaction | oh, this reminds me that my vacation task is going to be a JSON/RPC for assets | 20:08 |
| @preaction | i want to make a Task Calendar, but it won't be nice w/o a way to edit assets from JS | 20:08 |
| scrottie0 | http://www.webappers.com/2009/01/10/create-web-wirable-interface-like-yahoo-pipes-with-wireit/ # that's gotten WebGUI written all voer it | 20:30 |
| @preaction | hmm... i wonder if thingy has a good enough JSON API for something like this | 20:32 |
| SDuensin | Thingy just makes me mad. | 20:32 |
| @preaction | there isn't a JS API for it, but if there's a JSON RPC layer I can make one | 20:32 |
| @preaction | we're working on it. it is a good solution, but it's not yet enough for what we intended it | 20:33 |
| @preaction | hopefully we get this client to pay for adding Thingy data into the global index, that will start helping things | 20:33 |
| @preaction | database denormalization can have some interesting side-effects when you start treating the denormalized columns as canonical in their own right | 20:34 |
| SDuensin | i know. still makes me mad. it's just a big tease! | 20:34 |
| @preaction | a lot of people are using it, and yes, they like it but for "well it doesn't do this" | 20:35 |
| SDuensin | Dang you, scrottie0 - WireIt may just have sucked up the rest of my day! | 20:38 |
| @preaction | i know this is a personal problem, but i don't see the use-case for these pipes things | 20:45 |
| SDuensin | Yes. Personal problem. | 20:46 |
| @preaction | but that's probably because i haven't seen a huge data-backed site that it'd be useful for | 20:46 |
| scrottie0 | it has the same use-case as COBOL: allowing essentially non-programmers to do some slight data munging and automatic decision making. | 20:47 |
| scrottie0 | survey branch expressions, workflows fit into that use case. | 20:48 |
| scrottie0 | do X; if it succeeded, do Y, else do Z | 20:48 |
| @preaction | ahhh | 20:48 |
| scrottie0 | SNOBOL has built-in at the syntax level success/fail branching | 20:48 |
| @preaction | okay, yes, that is exactly what i was thinking for Workflow 2.0 (or 3.0, depending) | 20:48 |
| scrottie0 | you put :S(label)F(other_label) at the end of the line and it branches. every statement (of which there are many, including pattern matching, the default) | 20:49 |
| scrottie0 | has a concept of success/fail | 20:49 |
| scrottie0 | or just :S or just :F | 20:49 |
| scrottie0 | or neither | 20:49 |
| @khenn | I wasn't talking about that particular engine in general | 21:13 |
| @khenn | a rules engine of some sort | 21:13 |
| @khenn | Drools is actually pretty powerful | 21:13 |
| @khenn | but that's Java based | 21:13 |
| @khenn | didn't see anything like it for Perl upon first glance | 21:13 |
| scrottie0 | every large site seems to re-invent spectre. | 21:18 |
| scrottie0 | er, every large perl site. | 21:18 |
| scrottie0 | I really don't think we need The STRETCH of Workflow Engines, though. | 21:19 |
| @khenn | well drools is just a rules engine | 21:24 |
| @khenn | I believe their workflow engine is JBPM | 21:24 |
| @khenn | not sure if something like that exists for perl | 21:24 |
| plainhao | why not rabbitmq or something similar? | 21:25 |
| scrottie0 | stupid Internet. | 22:21 |
| scrottie0 | if you want to do code-is-data, do Lisp, or a dialect of it, not XML. Scheme is good. you can even encode Scheme code as JSON. | 22:22 |
| SDuensin | I don't care what the question is. The answer should never be XML. | 22:23 |
| scrottie0 | heh | 22:24 |
| @khenn | What is the acronym for eXtensible markup language? | 22:25 |
| @khenn | =p | 22:25 |
| plainhao | xslt is ok | 22:27 |
| SDuensin | Oh yea. Forgot about that. That can be kind of useful. | 22:28 |
| SDuensin | Wrote a killer code generator using that once. | 22:28 |
| plainhao | you can write xslt to generate xslt, heh | 22:31 |
| SDuensin | Mine generated C# from database tables. | 22:33 |
| SDuensin | Nice GUI, point it at a database. Select the tables you wanted objects for, click "Go". | 22:33 |
| plainhao | that's... weird | 22:33 |
| SDuensin | Out popped a nice data layer. | 22:33 |
| @preaction | C# doesn't have a nice ORM? | 22:34 |
| SDuensin | Probably does now. :-) | 22:34 |
| SDuensin | This was the dawn of C#. | 22:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | hm, built an awesome new AssetAspect | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | put logic to detect it into the Dashboar | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | however, it's not picking up any assets with the Aspect in them.... | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | probably because... | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | none of them use it yet | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you can feel free to fire me as necessary | 23:45 |
| @preaction | eh, i'm not in the mood for pork | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | pork? | 23:46 |
| @preaction | the other other white meat | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | hm, planning a trip to the high Sierras? | 23:47 |
| @preaction | if it will get me away from the vocal minorities that dominate the political "debates" these days, sure | 23:47 |
| * preaction isn't bitter. no. really. | 23:48 | |
| +perlDreamer | you sound almost as upset as the kids are over the whole High Speed Rail/Wisconsin fiasco | 23:49 |
| +perlDreamer | although they now have high hopes for a local Talgo plant :) | 23:49 |
| @preaction | that's the tip of the iceberg. it's not the cancelling that concerns me, but that the reasons given are so widely believed | 23:50 |
| @preaction | so much is being done in this country on false pretenses, and nobody cares | 23:50 |
| +perlDreamer | how do you tell that the pretenses are false? | 23:51 |
| @preaction | objective scientific analysis and objective journalism | 23:51 |
| @preaction | for example: one argument against net neutrality is that it is anti-competitive and will kill jobs, when net neutrality is meant to be a regulation of monopolistic practices by entrenched utility companies (and they are utilities, though the gov't doesn't yet classify them thus) | 23:52 |
| @preaction | basically, people seem to want a repeat of American Telephone and Telegraph | 23:53 |
| @preaction | AT&T still holds almost complete control over the phone lines, fulfilling the bare minimum of their promises to allow smaller vendors onto their lines | 23:54 |
| @preaction | and i may be wrong about all this, but i can back up these ideas with references, which i may misremember. i could TRY to argue with logic and fact. | 23:55 |
| @preaction | it seems that these new interest groups (repubs, dems, etc...) don't have to argue with logic or fact. they take the list of potential fallacious arguments and just toss a dart to find out how they can next sway support temporarily | 23:56 |
| SDuensin | It was a nice country while it lasted. | 23:57 |
| @preaction | okay, but defeatist thoughts like that don't solve anything! | 23:58 |
| @preaction | "If a vocal minority, however fervent its cause, prevails over reason and the will of the majority, this Nation has no future as a free society." | 23:59 |
| @preaction | -- Mr. Anti-Representative-Democracy himself, Richard Nixon | 23:59 |
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| SDuensin | I've tried dude. Tired of being kicked. | 00:01 |
| * khenn thinks preaction was lying about not being bitter. | 00:03 | |
| SDuensin | Nobody has any common sense anymore. That's my personal little goal. Try and restore some common sense to the IT world. | 00:03 |
| @khenn | ooh | 00:04 |
| @khenn | global IT strike! | 00:04 |
| SDuensin | That won't happen. Too many IT "experts" willing to be lemmings. | 00:04 |
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| @preaction | so FormBuilder needs to handle alternative fields in a form. the field doesn't exist in the normal form, but it's there as an option for designers to use. any ideas? or should i just leave this out? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | i personally don't think it's a good idea to add to FormBuilder, but the Send Friends Request form does it. i could just make the form with one and add the alternative as an extra variable | 00:08 |
| @preaction | (this being only the third form migrating to formbuilder... soooo sloooowww) | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | each form field can tell you if it exists in the submitted form fields | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | from the browser | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if it's not there, don't do anything? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | don't return it as data? | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | (must resist effort to gut and rebuild the Dashboard from scratch!) | 00:40 |
| @preaction | it's two fields with the same name, one is a rich editor, one a normal text editor. i think in the future i may add a template var for the HTMLArea field that has a simple resizable text area alternative | 00:42 |
| @preaction | ooh colin you'll be so proud of me: All these forms i'm migrating are getting WebGUI::Test::Mechanize tested | 00:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | you da man! | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I must have sparked a testing revolution or something | 00:44 |
| @preaction | not fully, but at least the sunny-day tests | 00:44 |
| @preaction | and yes, we don't have time to not test :p | 00:44 |
| @preaction | it's actually faster to test this way instead of through the UI directly, to | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | totally | 00:46 |
| @preaction | though i had some caching hangups, as the Mech session is not the same Test session, so i added some TODO tests | 00:47 |
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| +patspam | wooh #webgui at 33900 feet! | 00:51 |
| @preaction | you airhead! | 00:51 |
| +perlDreamer | hey patspam! | 00:52 |
| SDuensin | Huh? | 00:52 |
| +patspam | hey perldreamer! | 00:52 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a good time to tell you that we're taking Frank's advice and rewriting WebGUI in Java? | 00:52 |
| SDuensin | YESSSSSSS! | 00:52 |
| SDuensin | You do that, I'd reconsider working for PB. :-) | 00:52 |
| @preaction | A DAGGER THROUGH MY HEART! | 00:53 |
| SDuensin | hehe | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I could have said .NET, preaction, don't be so dramatic :) | 00:53 |
| +patspam | thankfully i havent had to touch java recently | 00:54 |
| +patspam | I'm all javascript atm | 00:54 |
| +patspam | Rory told me he was going to rewrite the wg8 yui code in Closure for solidarity | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta support the team! | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | Are you working on Closure? | 00:58 |
| SDuensin | Hey, at least we're going to get another release of Java. :-P | 01:01 |
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| +patspam | darn thing makes you reconnect every 45mins | 01:05 |
| @preaction | ew | 01:06 |
| SDuensin | What darn thing? | 01:06 |
| +patspam | Virgin America freeze inflight wifi | 01:06 |
| +patspam | s/freeze/free/ | 01:06 |
| +patspam | and what's with all the movies being PPV! | 01:07 |
| SDuensin | Ah! Now I get the whole 33900 ft reference. | 01:08 |
| +patspam | i really have no option but to hang out here and annoy you guys | 01:09 |
| SDuensin | lol | 01:09 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: i got a great train photo for your boys yesterday - and old style new york train pulled up at my stop yesterday, all decked out for christmas | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | time to take a break, I'll be back for high-flying International annoying ;) | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | they just built the first track of the season | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | however, I was serious about the break, I was sick all last week and am still not better | 01:11 |
| +perlDreamer | back in 30-40 after a lay-down | 01:11 |
| +patspam | rest up! | 01:11 |
| +patspam | im going to go see if i can crash the in-flight entertainment system | 01:12 |
| SDuensin | It's Linux! | 01:12 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning folks | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | hey perlDreamer | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | ow, howdy | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | having skype problems, going to try and reboot to fix them since nothing else is working | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | be back in 10 | 18:51 |
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| +MrHairgrease | khenn, are you there? | 19:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | grrrr skype! | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, a new error message | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and I haven't changed anything yet | 19:54 |
| ckotil | yeah, been hearing reports it's broken | 20:11 |
| +perlDreamer | it's discrimination against perl users! | 20:12 |
| ckotil | heh. eh, my drupal buddy is having trouble | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, discrimination against perl and perl-wannabe users | 20:34 |
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| scrottie0 | hey tavisto. | 20:41 |
| @tavisto | howdy, skype is officially dead | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:41 |
| @tavisto | thought we could continue our aeif discussion in a private chat here | 20:41 |
| @tavisto | Scott you responding to Mckenzie's email or should I? | 20:42 |
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| scrottie0 | last email I have from her is "Tasks"... was I cc'd? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | fwiw, I was able to log into Skype | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | but a lot of stuff still seems borken | 21:08 |
| scrottie0 | yup. seems to be the case. signin works but my contacts are offline. I talked at them for a while before I noticed something was up ;) | 21:09 |
| @khenn | skype is definitely dead | 21:12 |
| @khenn | I'm here now MrHairgrease but you are not here | 21:12 |
| @khenn | http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/12/22/skype-outage-millions-affected-worldwide/ | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and the earth grinds to a screaching halt | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | quite the opposite of what happens when Facebook goes down | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a large jump in productivity | 21:16 |
| @preaction | awesome. was wondering what could possibly add to the crap sandwich that is this month. | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | you could lose your laptop | 21:17 |
| @preaction | god forbid. | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | madison could go through a huge loss of power | 21:17 |
| @preaction | it'd also be harder to steal this, someone would notice someone making off with this beast | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so what happened to the phone? | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | hosting center could be hit by a falling russian satellite (powered by windows) | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | the Zope mafia could take out a contract on you and JT | 21:18 |
| @preaction | i love how skype's heartbeat blog is 6 days behind | 21:28 |
| plainhao | you should get a refund | 21:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, you should op Mckenzie | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | also, do you see failing tests in the core, in the master branch? | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | p.s. thanks | 21:50 |
| @scrottie | hey Mckenzie. welcome. | 21:51 |
| @preaction | i've got an assetlineage test failing | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I see failing tests in ProfileField.t, and Auth.t, looks like they're due to a language overrride? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | After lunch, I'll fix them by installing a fake language pack | 21:54 |
| @preaction | yes, because German isn't in the git repo | 21:55 |
| @khenn | oh and perlDreamer | 21:55 |
| @khenn | I never said you should rewrite WebGUI in Java | 21:55 |
| @khenn | I would never suggest something like that | 21:55 |
| @khenn | that would be horrible | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I know khenn, I was just teasing patspam | 22:29 |
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| @khenn | is skype still down? | 23:31 |
| SDuensin | It is here. | 23:34 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 23:35 |
| @preaction | works for me | 23:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Negative Houston, we are getting a main bus P2P failure | 23:41 |
| SDuensin | Whatever you do, don't stir the tanks. | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's due to Net Neutrality! | 23:43 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r196d3b0 / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Uncaching the user should be last thing that is done before removing data from the database. - http://bit.ly/fKhEZ5 | 23:48 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r21e1c41 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document the delete user bug fix. - http://bit.ly/hHMqBX | 23:48 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * r4658b51 / lib/WebGUI/User.pm : Uncaching the user should be last thing that is done before removing data from the database. - http://bit.ly/fPFOBg | 23:49 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.9 * rf9fe368 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Document the delete user bug fix. - http://bit.ly/ib12Zy | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Auth.t and ProfileField.t are both fixed | 00:11 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4e0e62b / (t/Auth.t t/ProfileField.t): Fix tests that were broken due to the language override merge. - http://bit.ly/ghfWoU | 00:11 |
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| +perlDreamer | welcome back PBMckenzieTully | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | stoopid Skype anyway | 02:24 |
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| PBMckenzieTully | woaaa missed this chat entirely | 02:40 |
| PBMckenzieTully | whattup homes | 02:40 |
| @scrottie | yeah, this is where we talk to people other than ourselves. | 02:55 |
| @scrottie | hi scrottie, how's your day? oh, okay, except I made a bit of a bloody mess. | 02:55 |
| @scrottie | preaction sits here and curses life. perlDreamer tries to inject optimism. Haarg breezes through and scoffs at our code. | 02:57 |
| @preaction | another day in the strife | 03:00 |
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| @scrottie | happy holidays! i'm out. | 03:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | PBMckenzieTully: yo :) | 04:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | there are no folder or layout tests | 04:58 |
| +perlDreamer | at all! | 04:58 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb80b044 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Ham handed attempt to try and find the maximum revision date. - http://bit.ly/fRaIqz | 10:25 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r43903a9 / sbin/findBrokenAssets.pl : Close all statement handles. - http://bit.ly/hGs5UH | 10:33 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * r90e3cd6 / (6 files in 4 dirs): | 16:49 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Merge branch 'master' of git@github.com:plainblack/webgui | 16:49 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Conflicts: | 16:49 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt - http://bit.ly/gGdYQ8 | 16:49 |
| SDuensin | Morning! | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | what would be the best way to merge fixes in 7.10 to the 7.9 branch | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | ? | 16:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | just cherry pick them? | 16:51 |
| +bartjol | I guess | 17:04 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.9 * r71c2af6 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Return a list of shipper to choose from in stead of none if no shipper has be chosen yet. - http://bit.ly/hy0G02 | 17:13 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.9 * r42b561b / (3 files in 3 dirs): Don't let the cart crash on invalid addressIds - http://bit.ly/h0ueXE | 17:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease! You cart hackin' monster | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | howdy perldreamer | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | bluurgh | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | tell me about it... | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | are you hating on my new cart? | 18:31 |
| +MrHairgrease | how can I hate something you made? | 18:31 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, when getContentLastModified is sub-classed to check children, it should still check itself, right? | 18:33 |
| +perlDreamer | right now I'm seeing lots of: my $childIter = $self->getLineageIterator(["children"]) | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | so the parent's revisionDate never gets checked | 18:37 |
| +perlDreamer | seems odd | 18:37 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 18:41 | |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek webgui-7.9 * r2c51997 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed #12007: Hardcoded js in cart view. - http://bit.ly/fyvXOF | 18:43 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * rb22ed80 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Fixed #12007: Hardcoded js in cart view. - http://bit.ly/fuMTin | 18:46 |
| CIA-71 | webgui: Martin Kamerbeek master * raea8d18 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Accidentally kept package in wrong dir. - http://bit.ly/fbZcWx | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | okay | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | time to call it a day | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | later! | 18:55 |
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| SDuensin | Ok, I created a new group to allow certain people to edit a portion of my site. In that group I put the "Turn On Admin" group. Why can't users in that group see the Turn On Admin link? | 19:05 |
| +bartjol | eeh shouldn't the turn admin on group users then also be able to see the proetected parts | 19:19 |
| +bartjol | ? | 19:20 |
| +bartjol | waw, isn't that the wrong way round? | 19:20 |
| +bartjol | that that group should be in the TAO group | 19:20 |
| SDuensin | Is that how it goes? | 19:21 |
| SDuensin | That makes more sense. :-) | 19:22 |
| +bartjol | I haven't done that much in groups, but it sound more logical to me | 19:39 |
| SDuensin | Yea, that was the fix. Must need more coffee here. | 19:39 |
| +bartjol | well, I'm doing something wronf with a simple macro | 19:40 |
| +bartjol | mm, something wrong with the order of selecting, quite similar to your problem | 19:51 |
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| +bartjol | mysql says my column does not exist | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | does the column really exist? | 19:53 |
| +bartjol | it does | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | or is there a typo in the table? | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | table name (maybe also column name)? | 19:54 |
| +bartjol | iit is on autoincrement | 19:54 |
| +bartjol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/E921vkZv | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | can you do a select on that column without the join? | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | select siteId from wgStarterSites? | 19:58 |
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| +bartjol | yes, I can | 19:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I have to help a 9-year old with a problem, bbiab | 20:01 |
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| +perlDreamer | time, time, time, see what's become of me? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | when I mess around, with perl's possibilities... | 23:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: please ignore what I said earlier, I'm an idiot. | 02:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I blather along in empty IRC channels and don't bother reading the code. | 02:42 |
| @preaction | hum? i didn't see what you said earlier unfortunately | 02:51 |
| @preaction | how did the new dashboard stuff go? | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | still going | 02:51 |
| @preaction | ew | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | well, let me take a step back | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | you can make dashlets undeletable and immovable | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Assets can mark which properties they want to be overridable | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the form pops up, data gets saved and used | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | the macro is done (finally) | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so now I'm looking at caching the lookups for stock data and weather data | 02:53 |
| @preaction | ahh | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the stock data asset is going to be interesting, because it does not do a static display of stock data | 02:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but is continuously updating on the client | 02:53 |
| @preaction | whoops. i may have miscaculated that then | 02:54 |
| @preaction | but aren't the next displays done using pure JS to the service? not to us? | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | so we could cache initial lookups | 02:54 |
| @preaction | right | 02:54 |
| +perlDreamer | did you have a peek at the commits I made to the findBrokenAssets script? | 02:55 |
| @preaction | and keep the time, so that if JS isn't enabled, they know when the quote was pulled, and if JS is enabled, they know that it's an old quote | 02:55 |
| @preaction | no i did not | 02:55 |
| @preaction | holiday season is kicking my ass this year | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | If you have a more elegant way to pull the most recent revisionDate, it would be good | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | keep the time | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | the time it was last fetched | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | ? | 02:56 |
| @preaction | right, so if the user loads the page, they see an hour-old quote, we can tell them that quote is an hour old, because the next update from the service is going to be a much more recent quote | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll check to see what data we pull from the service, and if that's already there or not | 02:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm developing a very strong passionate hatred for any Storable based caching however | 02:57 |
| @preaction | heh | 03:00 |
| +perlDreamer | whoa, old module cruftiness | 03:01 |
| +perlDreamer | Finance::Quote uses compound hash keys! | 03:01 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings, those who survived the holiday. | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | oh, I survived | 17:00 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings | 19:18 |
| SquOnk | Is there a macro to find out the list of groups the current user belongs to? | 19:19 |
| +bartjol | mmm, I suspect that is only an API method | 19:25 |
| +bartjol | no macro | 19:25 |
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| +bartjol | SquOnk: it is the getGroups user method, a macro shouldn take too much time | 19:33 |
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| advancedalarmtec | hello all | 01:04 |
| advancedalarmtec | is there available for me to ask a question? | 01:05 |
| @preaction | sure, go ahead | 01:06 |
| advancedalarmtec | I did a source install of webgui 7.9.18-stable on ubuntu 10.10 server, I am able to connect to the website I created, I did the initial website setup, but everytime I upload an image to the website it doesn't display the image | 01:07 |
| @preaction | check the webgui.log, /var/log/webgui.log. check that the uploadsPath in the webgui config file exists and is writable by the apache user | 01:08 |
| advancedalarmtec | the uploads path does exist and I have chmod 777 the uploads path to see if that would fix the problem | 01:11 |
| @preaction | that's a bad idea. you should just chown to the apache user and make sure they have 755 | 01:12 |
| advancedalarmtec | I was doing it temporarily just to see if it would fix it... | 01:13 |
| advancedalarmtec | would the apache user be the same user as the login user? | 01:14 |
| @preaction | no, the apache user is the "User" directive in the apache configuration file | 01:14 |
| advancedalarmtec | ah, that may be my problem, let me check...thank you | 01:15 |
| advancedalarmtec | that fixed my problem! thank you very much for your time | 01:36 |
| advancedalarmtec | default http user on ubuntu 10.10 server is www-data :) | 01:36 |
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| plainhao | preaction: did you guys have the mbpro repaired at the mac guys recently? i got emailed about it | 16:40 |
| plainhao | is there some way to unregister me from that mbpro? | 16:41 |
| @preaction | uh... i don't even know that one exists, i'd e-mail vrby@ about that | 16:42 |
| plainhao | thanks, preaction, happy holidays | 16:43 |
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| CIA-71 | webgui: Paul Driver master * ra9b4af6 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Fork/ProgressTree.pm): fixed #12009: Export JS errors in IE7 - http://bit.ly/hNpQeH | 17:25 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 15:59 |
| +bartjol | morning | 16:11 |
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| advancedalarmtec | may I ask someone a question? | 17:37 |
| +bartjol | advancedalarmtec: sure | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | sorry I am a bit slow today | 17:42 |
| advancedalarmtec | no worries... | 17:42 |
| advancedalarmtec | I did a source install of 7.9.18-stable on ubuntu 10.10 server | 17:43 |
| advancedalarmtec | are you supposed to chown -R www-data /data/WebGUI | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | well, that depends | 17:43 |
| advancedalarmtec | www-data is the apache user for ubuntu 10.10 | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | and your apache user, so no wre | 17:44 |
| advancedalarmtec | I was not able to get the wre to work...I spent a lot of time trying, the source install worked for me with minor issues | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | but /data/WebGUI does not have to be apache user writable, unless your domain folder is in there | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | unless you want to use the demo option | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | because then config files must be written in WebGUI/etc | 17:45 |
| advancedalarmtec | the issue I had, and why I thought I might have to change the ownership of /data/WebGUI is because I copied the style(3) template, and was trying to edit it. Everytime I tried to commit the changes nothing would happen. (I was trying to add our logos to the site). After I changed the ownership of /data/WebGUI to the apache user and made the changes, the changes took to the site and the logos | 17:46 |
| advancedalarmtec | apeared | 17:46 |
| advancedalarmtec | appeared* | 17:47 |
| +bartjol | the template itself should be in the db, but files will be somewhere else | 17:48 |
| +bartjol | what is the "uploadsPath" in your WebGUI conf? | 17:48 |
| advancedalarmtec | let me check, one sec | 17:48 |
| advancedalarmtec | in my WebGUI.conf file, or the config file for the website? | 17:50 |
| +bartjol | for the website | 17:51 |
| +bartjol | the other one is the original right? | 17:51 |
| advancedalarmtec | yes | 17:51 |
| +bartjol | there isn't a global WebGUI cond afaik | 17:51 |
| advancedalarmtec | right ;) it is "/data/domains/www.advancedalarmtec.com/public/uploads" | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | ok, uis that dir writable for the webuser? | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | if it exists | 17:53 |
| advancedalarmtec | yes it's writable by www-data | 17:53 |
| +bartjol | ok, yopu should generally be ok | 17:54 |
| advancedalarmtec | the site is up and I can view it | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | ok is spectre running properly? | 17:54 |
| advancedalarmtec | I thought that it was working 100%, but when I tried to edit the copied style 3 template, the changes never saved | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | can you check the webgui.log? | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | for spectre messages | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | ? | 17:55 |
| advancedalarmtec | I'll check | 17:55 |
| advancedalarmtec | Compilation failed in require at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm line 1834 | 17:57 |
| advancedalarmtec | btw, thank you for your time and help I really appreciate it | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | mmmm, line 1834 is empty in 7.10.6 apparently | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | no problem | 17:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | how do you skip to line 1834 quickly? | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | but i am going for a short sanitotial stop | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | in vim? | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | :1834 | 17:59 |
| advancedalarmtec | I usually use nano :) easier for me to navigate around on | 17:59 |
| +bartjol | well, then you know your text editor better then I do, so I can't help you with that :P | 18:01 |
| advancedalarmtec | line 1834 in 7.19 says: | 18:01 |
| advancedalarmtec | if (eval { require $module; 1}) { | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | it looks like a module that cannopt be loaded | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | is testEnvironmet output all ok? | 18:03 |
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| advancedalarmtec | yes | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | can you put some more webgui.log in pastebin? | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | then it will get easier to troubleshoot | 18:04 |
| advancedalarmtec | I'm sorry I must leave, my boss is on my rear...I will be on later, thanks bartjol for your time hopefully I'll be on soon and finish troubleshooting | 18:04 |
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| +bartjol | ok good lucxk | 18:05 |
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