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| kimd | Hey preaction, back at work? (Or still relaxing at home :) | 00:19 |
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| @preaction | back at work, no rest for the weary around here | 00:20 |
| kimd | Good. Received my pull request? | 00:23 |
| @preaction | yes | 00:27 |
| kimd | Good. That's all I wanted to know. Back to work now! (Can you hear the whip?) | 00:28 |
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| kimd | Servus KlausH, wie geht's wie steht's? | 01:33 |
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| @Haarg | http://www.anxietyapp.com/ finally found a todo tracker i like. lightweight and uses ical on the back end. | 03:21 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r195218c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm): when purging from system trash, return to system trash. Fixes bug #11509. - http://bit.ly/bMMspb | 03:24 |
| @preaction | oh, god, yes, thank you Haarg | 03:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8669097 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetTrash.pm): when purging from system trash, return to system trash. Fixes bug #11509. - http://bit.ly/d2Z2ro | 03:24 |
| +perlDreamer | scratch variables need to die | 03:36 |
| +perlDreamer | forever | 03:36 |
| @preaction | why? i think they serve a useful purpose | 03:38 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11510 | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | this is one example of their badness | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | just one example, I should say | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | they need to have expiration times on them | 03:41 |
| +perlDreamer | because now I get to write an upgrade sub which tries to fix the mess that has been created | 03:41 |
| @Haarg | i think that's more an example of the cs sorting code being dumb | 03:41 |
| @Haarg | the fact that you have to give it a sql column name is rather horrible | 03:42 |
| @Haarg | or a table.column name | 03:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I can fix that | 03:43 |
| @Haarg | i tried to fix that at one point when i found the sql injection problem it used to have, but was overruled | 03:44 |
| @preaction | uh.. sql injection? | 03:45 |
| @preaction | oh | 03:45 |
| @preaction | right, that | 03:45 |
| @Haarg | it used to just stick the form param into the order by clause | 03:45 |
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| @Haarg | preaction, patspam, your thoughts on wgdev and webgui 8? it's going to be hard to keep it entirely compatible. so i can either fork it entirely, or try for having it compatible. | 04:31 |
| @Haarg | making the commands themselves compatible would be possible in a lot of cases, so those could maybe list their compatible versions | 04:32 |
| @Haarg | but making the core work across versions is going to be annoying so i would possible need to add a command line option to note that you are using webgui 8, have a different executable, or try to do something else that i'm not sure about. | 04:33 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:32 |
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| mech422 | morning all - quick question - on the user profile page, I want to add a field whose default value is based on the users email address - how do I fill in the default value box on the form to pass the email address to my code ? | 17:41 |
| mech422 | (is it something like WebGui::foo::bar($email) ) | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | in a form field, can't you set a default value, this should be the tmpl_var containg the users e-mail | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | ? | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | or are you making new code | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | I was thinking html | 17:44 |
| mech422 | I was trying to do it thru-the-web using's webgui's built in profile field editor ... I suppose I could hack up the profile page template if needed, but then I'd need to call my custom code from a template ? | 17:45 |
| +bartjol | ah | 17:45 |
| mech422 | I believe webgui does something similiar for translating the labels... I'd have to look again. I just wasnt sure what the email field was called | 17:46 |
| +bartjol | well, you can get far with a macro I suppose, which also can have it's own template | 17:46 |
| mech422 | WebGUI::International::get(314,"WebGUI"); | 17:48 |
| mech422 | thats how labels get translated | 17:49 |
| mech422 | I need WebGUI::foo::bar($user->email); or some such | 17:49 |
| +bartjol | $user->get("email") I think | 17:52 |
| +bartjol | http://www.plainblack.com/downloads/builds/7.8.16-stable/api/User.html | 17:52 |
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| +MrHairgrease | tavisto: you should really brush up your Dutch | 17:53 |
| @tavisto | no way, my Google Dutch is great | 17:54 |
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| +MrHairgrease | well unless you think I'm beer, something is not working out exactly as planned I guess. | 17:55 |
| +bartjol | at the most, you are a beer container, but not beer | 17:56 |
| @tavisto | yeah I do think you are mostly beer | 17:56 |
| +patspam | do we get to deprecate IE6 in wg8? | 17:57 |
| @tavisto | I thought the goal of every Dutchmen was to eventually become 100% beer.. Blood is for wimps | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | it is a well known fact that MrHairgrease is 70% water | 17:57 |
| +bartjol | patspam: I hope so, but I don't believe it is the roadmap | 17:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, I dunno... some skin would be handy I guess | 17:57 |
| +perlDreamer | with several trace elements, alcohol, hops, carbonation | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: YES! | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | whoohoo! | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | IE6 dies a horrible, bloody death in wG8 | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | or so I've been told | 17:58 |
| * MrHairgrease has deprecated ie6 long ago | 17:58 | |
| +patspam | woooh! | 17:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | awesome | 17:58 |
| +patspam | I was wondering because Doug just mentioned IE6 in an email to the template working group | 17:58 |
| +bartjol | too bad IE 5 will still be supported | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | those templates are not for wg8, but for wg 7, so they must work in 1994 browsers | 17:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | only 1994? | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | there are millions of browsers out there | 18:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | it might be a good idea to support a few more than 1994 | 18:00 |
| mech422 | morning all - quick question - on the user profile page, I want to add a field whose default value is based on the users email address - how do I fill in the default value box on the form to pass the email address to my code ? labels get translated via WebGUI::International::get(314,"WebGUI"); can I do a WebGUI::foo::bar($user->email); or something ? | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, we only allow a limited subset of things that get evaluated as perl code | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | it should have used macros instead, but there you go | 18:02 |
| @Haarg | the WebGUI::International::get(314,"WebGUI") form isn't actually even evaluated | 18:03 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: is that a "you can't get here from there" ? | 18:03 |
| @Haarg | it is matched with a regex | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | 'fraid so, dude | 18:03 |
| mech422 | kk - thanks | 18:03 |
| mech422 | I'll have to hack up the profile template then | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | mech422, afaik you can use macros inlabels | 18:04 |
| mech422 | or can I 'short circuit' it by creating a wrapper function that looks up the user's email and passes it to bar() ? WebGUI::foo::barWrapper() ? | 18:05 |
| @tavisto | noooooo! I still lovvvvvvvvvve IE6! | 18:05 |
| @tavisto | don't kill it! | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | patspam, perlDreamer, http://gist.github.com/351903 | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | mech422: why not use ^User(email) | 18:05 |
| mech422 | MrHairgrease: I'm trying to use it in the default value box - basically trying to get the default value for one field to depend on another field | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | my mistake | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's not gonna work | 18:06 |
| +patspam | Haarg: I reckon fork it and make the wg7 branch maintenance only | 18:06 |
| mech422 | thanks though - didn't know you could use macros in hte label :-) | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | can't use macros in profile fields | 18:06 |
| +patspam | I don't reckon it's worth the overhead of trying to keep it compatible | 18:07 |
| * perlDreamer has to agree with patspam | 18:07 | |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: would barWrapper() method work, or is getting my code access to wg values more work then hacking the template ? | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | that's kind of how i was leaning as well. i may try to keep the command api the same between the two so if the command is written correctly it could work with either. | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, I don't understand the question, and it would be much more work than hacking the template | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | mech422: your best bet might be adding some js to the template that sets the fields to whatever value | 18:09 |
| +patspam | yeah, obviously only change the command API if there's a compelling reason to do it | 18:09 |
| mech422 | Hmm... ok - thanks guys - I'm gonna go percolate | 18:10 |
| @Haarg | i have my WebGUI::Paths changes basically complete but they will break wgdev pretty badly, which is why i've held off merging them | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could have wgd, and wg8d | 18:11 |
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| mech422 | if I have a custom WebGUI::foo module, is there something I can require to get access to the wg user info ? require WebGUI::User or something ? | 18:33 |
| +bartjol | use WebGUI::User; | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | you get the current user via $session->user | 18:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise do $user = WebGU::User->new( $session, $userId ); | 18:34 |
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| +patspam | pre tags are evil | 18:53 |
| +patspam | even with fluid layout they will look horrible if a single line is long enough | 18:54 |
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| @Haarg | overflow helps but it's not always perfect | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | looking at it with hindsight, the editing controls for the tickets should be on the left | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could look at stripping out PRE tags, or limiting their width | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, maybe, maybe not | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'm just being old and grumpy again | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll go to the gym, and have the grumpiness beaten out of me | 19:08 |
| +perlDreamer | nothing like doing 150 pushups to change your attitude | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | man, the OSCON schedule this year reads like an advertisement for Django | 20:45 |
| @preaction | eh, Django is the new baby | 20:45 |
| @preaction | last year it was Drupal, no? | 20:45 |
| @preaction | and I do like a lot of Django's style, even though it's exactly like Catalyst: there's no real app to speak of, it's just a framework | 20:46 |
| @tavisto | Hey all, just wanted to let you know that all WebGUI Guides are on sale today only! 10% off @ Lulu.com. Details available @ http://www.plainblack.com/news/news/all-webgui-books-10-off---april-1st-only | 20:52 |
| clifmo | yay, hook me up tavisto | 21:11 |
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| @tavisto | Yeah, that's a pretty good deal Clifmo. I've never seen Lulu do discounts system-wide before. | 21:12 |
| clifmo | Good to know those resources exist, doubt I could get the purchase through today | 21:14 |
| @tavisto | The Primer Guide is free so you'll definitely want to download that one. Just a basics guide to get people started with the software | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, FilePump should be used with the new styles | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | especially after it's more tightly integrated with the template | 22:20 |
| @preaction | and attachments | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Doesn't FilePump do everything that Attachments can do, and more? | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | FilePump is less granular | 22:21 |
| @preaction | filepump bundles should show up as attachments to a template | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd be nice if you could take an existing set of JS and CSS attachments to a template, and say, "Make this a bundle for me" | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | attachments are nice because you don't have to add the macro to you template | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, if you knew it was a style template | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | and it had a FilePump bundle | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you could automatically insert the CSS to the top, and the JS to the bottom | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you wouldn't have as much control as with the macro for placement | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hoy, patspam! | 22:24 |
| +patspam | hola | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | back log and bit and tell me if the idea for style templates handling attached FilePump bundles is any good or not | 22:25 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: FilePump bundles should be able to be attached to the template like normal Attachments can | 22:26 |
| @preaction | any template at all | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but for a style template, you might be able to avoid the (very small) hassle of sticking in the FilePump macro | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | since it's attached, you don't need to know the name for the macro | 22:26 |
| +perlDreamer | it's the style template, so you know where the head and body/bottom are | 22:27 |
| @preaction | i don't understand. if there was a FilePump area when you edit a template where you could check the box of any FilePump bundles, there's no need for the macro anymore at all, is this what we're both saying? | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | if you made a FilePump bundle for an Article template | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | you'd really like the CSS link to be up in the HEAD block | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's one thing that FilePump wouldn't allow you to do as it stands now | 22:29 |
| @preaction | yes, which is where Templates being aware of FilePump comes in | 22:29 |
| @preaction | you say "Hello Article template, Include this FilePump bundle!" | 22:29 |
| @preaction | "And this one too while you're at it!" | 22:30 |
| @preaction | "Oh, and also add this attachment why not" | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and the Template is smart enough to put the CSS into the head_tags | 22:30 |
| +perlDreamer | and the JS into a body_tag, which is wisely put at the bottom of the style template | 22:30 |
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| +perlDreamer | now I think we're saying the same thing | 22:31 |
| @preaction | well, the JS would have to be set for "Top" or "Bottom" | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | FilePump is a "bottom JS" Nazi | 22:31 |
| +perlDreamer | well, by intent, not required by design or implementation | 22:31 |
| @preaction | it'd have to be changed, it should be changed. not all JS works at the bottom. | 22:32 |
| +perlDreamer | non-bottom JS could just be an attachment | 22:33 |
| @preaction | but why force them to forgoe the benefits of filepump just because someone else's JS sucks | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | good point | 22:34 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a hypothetical question, or does WebGUI have that problem? | 22:35 |
| @preaction | JS that only works when placed before the content? it's everywhere. making JS work when deferred is not a common technique | 22:36 |
| +perlDreamer | most of the JS I've seen is all in yui-webgui, and it all works as deferred | 22:37 |
| * perlDreamer should get out more :) | 22:37 | |
| @preaction | random JS that doesn't use frameworks usually doesn't work like that, so newbie JS | 22:40 |
| @Haarg | also, doing deferred js is usually really annoying without a framework | 22:41 |
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| +patspam | back again | 23:10 |
| +patspam | yeah what preaction said, the list of available template attachements should include filepump bundles | 23:11 |
| +patspam | I wouldn't mind forcing people to put JS at the bottom | 23:11 |
| +patspam | newbies probably wouldn't be using filepump anyway | 23:12 |
| +patspam | but I suppose a top/bottom checkbox is more friendly | 23:12 |
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| +patspam | filepump wiki page is rockin now | 00:23 |
| +patspam | only about a year overdue | 00:24 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8f4024a / (3 files in 2 dirs): initial commit: new admin console - http://bit.ly/aE1N9n | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, what do you think about the Project Manager and Time Tracker being pulled out of the core and moved into their own repository? | 01:19 |
| @preaction | why? | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm guessing that it's low usage. | 01:19 |
| @preaction | yes, but let's wait until i'm really pulling the strings around here | 01:22 |
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| mech422 | hey pd - is there something 'funky' about how Account 'plugins' are handled ? I had to totally rename my module before modperl would detect it changed ? (then it went away, and renaming it back brough it back with the changes..) | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, it's all driven by the config file, and requires an apache restart | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | to see new code | 01:48 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: ahh - not just a 'modperl' restart from the web panel ? | 01:50 |
| mech422 | I was just restarting mod_perl and mod_proxy | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | you only need to restart mod_perl | 01:51 |
| mech422 | yeah.. that didn't seem to do it..ah well - maybe it was something funky with my browser cache or whatnot | 01:51 |
| mech422 | its seeing the new code now, so I'm happy | 01:52 |
| mech422 | btw - I scrapped profile fields and just went with an Account plugin - seems like it'll be easier for what I need | 01:52 |
| +perlDreamer | cool | 01:53 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, are you really, finally doing a WebGUI project? | 02:12 |
| mech422 | LOL - yeah :-P | 02:12 |
| mech422 | Hmm - I got the dropdown boxes to select a style and layout for my module - but no 'edit' or 'manage' buttons ? | 02:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | for edit and manage buttons, you have to specify a default | 03:11 |
| mech422 | ahh - thanks - that was driving me a bit bonkers | 03:12 |
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| mech422 | pd - thanks for all the help :-) Time for meatloaf !! :-D | 04:19 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: http://blog.oregonlive.com/commuting/2010/03/aaa_ready_for_great_battery_ro.html | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | you gotta watch the video | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, you don't have to watch the video at the end | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | unless you like watching batteries being chopped up by lightsabers | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's not your thing, just ignore the video | 05:58 |
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| @preaction | OMG an old school game boy! | 06:03 |
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| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r33315ad / lib/WGDev.pm : add option to set_environment to not save the env in case you want to localize it yourself - http://bit.ly/aOmQBG | 12:53 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r75eba2a / lib/WGDev/X.pm : add inflate method to WGDev::X that will rethrow a passed in object, or create a new exception for a string - http://bit.ly/aqf77j | 12:53 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r6979ba0 / lib/WGDev/Command/For/Each.pm : | 12:53 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: add more options to for-each command and allow multiple subcommands to | 12:53 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: be used - http://bit.ly/cDtvbO | 12:53 |
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| SDuensin | FRIIIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDAAAAAYYYYYYYY!!!! | 16:09 |
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| kimd | preaction, I am fixing the missing cancel button bug submitted by Kristi. | 23:02 |
| kimd | Is it ok to let JS do the job? | 23:02 |
| kimd | Or do we need a fallback in www_edit in case JS is disabled? | 23:03 |
| kimd | Haarg? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | you probably need a fallback, since there has been bugs previously about the JS-only solution failing | 23:03 |
| kimd | I see. But then there is another problem already. | 23:04 |
| kimd | The submit button seems to rely on JS for redirection to www_editSave. | 23:04 |
| kimd | Or do I miss something? | 23:04 |
| @preaction | if you do "history.go(-1)" twice, you will keep jumping between two pages, that's what i meant by failing | 23:06 |
| kimd | Hm. I don't think that can happen here. But still, does that mean I should avoid JS and use regular form processing? | 23:07 |
| @preaction | if you don't think it can happen, the go ahead. the only time it really happens is when you click on an Edit button for a template when viewing the edit page of an asset | 23:09 |
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| kimd | preaction, something else: Do we prefer tabs or space for indentation? | 23:18 |
| kimd | I would like to correct indentation in Post.pm since it's very confusing. | 23:18 |
| @preaction | there's a .perltidyrc file and there's a wiki entry (4 spaces) | 23:18 |
| kimd | Particularly the www_edit method. | 23:18 |
| kimd | Cool. Thanks! | 23:19 |
| @preaction | i wouldn't, use perltidy to make it look how you need and then put it back (it will screw up merging attempts) | 23:19 |
| kimd | I see. | 23:19 |
| kimd | Good night everyone! | 23:40 |
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| @preaction | i like that the Blank Style isn't really blank and that the Empty Style doesn't show head tags... | 01:18 |
| * preaction didn't really want to get anything done the easy way, honest injun! | 01:18 | |
| SDuensin | Whoa! Life! | 01:26 |
| * SDuensin is currently disgruntled with the WebGUI blog. | 01:30 | |
| @preaction | webgui has a blog? | 01:31 |
| SDuensin | EXACTLY! | 01:31 |
| * SDuensin wants a nice tag-cloud of topics! | 01:32 | |
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| mech422 | hi all - anyone know what table this should hit : $setting->set("dmnStyleTemplateId", $form->process("dmnStyleTemplateId","template")); ? | 02:15 |
| mech422 | it appears not to be getting updated so I thought I'd just query the db manually ... | 02:15 |
| @preaction | the settings table | 02:16 |
| @preaction | you have to have a setting that already exists with that name, otherwise you have to use "add" | 02:16 |
| mech422 | doh! I should have guessed that table name :-P | 02:16 |
| mech422 | oh? So how do you get the 'first' record into the table then ? | 02:16 |
| mech422 | (this is from the skeleton code btw...) | 02:17 |
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| @preaction | $setting->add("name","value"); | 02:20 |
| mech422 | sorry - better question would be, is there a 'install' routine thats called so you can add that setting when you put in a new account object ? | 02:20 |
| mech422 | err... new account 'module' ?? or whatever the plugin is called | 02:21 |
| @preaction | see sbin/installClass.pl if you want, it is an installer for classes | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | i hate how that works with settings | 02:26 |
| @preaction | yep. likewise | 02:26 |
| mech422 | preaction: that fixed it - changed all the $setting->set() to $setting->add(), hit the settings form and saved stuff, then changed it back to $settings->set() | 02:26 |
| mech422 | might be worth a comment in the skeleton code - it's sorta unintuiative | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | $t = $setting->get('key'); $t = $value if !defined $t; $setting->delete('key'); $setting->add('key', $t); | 02:27 |
| mech422 | Haarg: Icck | 02:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 02:28 |
| mech422 | any votes for $setting->updateOrAdd() ? :-P | 02:28 |
| mech422 | or maybe addOrUpdate() ? | 02:29 |
| @preaction | no. update() should do "REPLACE INTO" and add() should call update | 02:29 |
| @Haarg | there's really no reason ->set shouldn't add the value if it doesn't exist | 02:30 |
| mech422 | eh - either way - but the current skeleton code basically fails silently, which would be a bit disconcerting to new developers | 02:30 |
| @preaction | yep | 02:30 |
| mech422 | I spent hours looking for an upstream proxy cache cuz the page wouldn't change from the default :-P | 02:31 |
| @Haarg | preaction, any reason for me not to change that right now? | 02:33 |
| mech422 | Haarg: if you adding the comment to the skeleton - could you add one saying that you need a default value for the templates for the 'edit' and 'manage' buttons to appear, please. | 02:34 |
| @preaction | Haarg: none whatsoever | 02:35 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r9113760 / t/Asset/File/GalleryFile/Photo/navigation.t : quiet photo navigation test and add better cleanup - http://bit.ly/buwx68 | 02:35 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r3b07f83 / t/_test.skeleton : remove END section from test skeleton - http://bit.ly/byk1mR | 02:35 |
| @Haarg | and should add just be an alias for set then? | 02:36 |
| @preaction | yes, for backcompat for now | 02:36 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * rd0bc628 / lib/WebGUI/Session/Setting.pm : make setting set/add update or replace existing settings - http://bit.ly/a097DB | 02:39 |
| mech422 | oh cool - thanks :-) | 02:42 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5e77a94 / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm lib/WebGUI/Content/Admin.pm): Bare minimum working - http://bit.ly/byF3sS | 02:45 |
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| +patspam | hello weekend warriors | 20:11 |
| +patspam | has there been any talk of lightning talks for the WUC this year? | 20:11 |
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| +patspam | Haarg, preaction: have you used local::lib to install wre modules? | 21:18 |
| @preaction | not yet no | 21:18 |
| @preaction | i want it though, for future WebGUI such | 21:18 |
| +patspam | I'm just deciding where to place the containing folder | 21:19 |
| +patspam | maybe: /data/wre/prereqs/perl5 | 21:19 |
| +patspam | equiv to the default: ~/perl5 | 21:19 |
| +patspam | which will end up with bin/ lib/ and man/ inside it | 21:21 |
| +patspam | it will be nice to have user-installed cpan modules separated from bundled wre cpan modules | 21:22 |
| +patspam | especially for dev - easy to see what you've installed extra to the wre | 21:22 |
| +patspam | i really hate setenvironment.sh | 21:33 |
| @preaction | likewise. i don't even use WRE anymore because of that. | 21:35 |
| +patspam | since I started using wgd I mostly stopped having to use it | 21:35 |
| kimd | Didn't JT once write that not using the wre is a stupid decision ;-) | 21:36 |
| +patspam | setenvironment should something that only other scripts need (like sbin/services/redhat/wre-apache) | 21:37 |
| kimd | Hm. Not sure how you would achieve that. | 21:38 |
| +patspam | kimd: what do you find yourself using setenvironment for at the moment? | 21:40 |
| kimd | I need to call it before I run utility scripts. | 21:40 |
| kimd | And use perl apps like perldoc | 21:40 |
| +patspam | for utility scripts I use: wgd util | 21:41 |
| +patspam | for mysql client I use: wgd db | 21:41 |
| kimd | Ok. But why is that better? | 21:41 |
| +patspam | doesn't pollute your current environment | 21:41 |
| kimd | wgd util makes 8 letters+ | 21:42 |
| kimd | I would prefer to have up-to-date debian packages and get rid of wre completely. | 21:42 |
| kimd | That would keep your environment really clean. | 21:42 |
| +patspam | I wouldn't want that - I use my dev box for more than just webgui | 21:42 |
| kimd | Different people, different preferences. | 21:43 |
| kimd | You could still virtualize it. | 21:43 |
| kimd | But then again, you could use the image already provided. | 21:43 |
| +patspam | yeah. I want to keep everything webgui related separate from my system, and as close to my production environment as possible | 21:43 |
| kimd | Maybe that is the best solution. | 21:43 |
| +patspam | what image? | 21:44 |
| kimd | There is virtual machine image based on ... | 21:44 |
| kimd | I do not remember. It was something redhat related. | 21:44 |
| +patspam | eek no, I don't want to run webgui in a vm | 21:44 |
| +patspam | too slow and cumbersome | 21:45 |
| kimd | Why not? It's a very clean way to do your development. | 21:45 |
| kimd | Not cumbersome at all. | 21:45 |
| +patspam | I did it for over a year when my OS was windows | 21:45 |
| kimd | Have to set it up only once. | 21:45 |
| kimd | Instead of installing the wre you download the image and install that. | 21:46 |
| kimd | Then you use ssh and sshfs for everything else. | 21:46 |
| kimd | No problem at all. In particular not when working with gnome or kde. | 21:46 |
| kimd | Performance should not be a problem. | 21:46 |
| kimd | Our productive site is running on a vm. | 21:47 |
| +patspam | and when you're editing webgui core files? | 21:48 |
| +patspam | or just your own code on the vm | 21:48 |
| +patspam | you have to do it over ssh | 21:48 |
| +patspam | slow | 21:48 |
| +patspam | and you waste a whole lot of memory running the vm | 21:48 |
| kimd | gnome-vfs is your friend. | 21:48 |
| kimd | Come on, have you ever run short of memory on your development system? | 21:48 |
| +patspam | sure | 21:49 |
| kimd | Never happened to me. I have 2 GB installed and that has always been sufficient. | 21:49 |
| kimd | patspam, are you installing the vm already after having heard my convincing arguments? | 21:59 |
| +patspam | ha no, sorry | 21:59 |
| kimd | Doesn't matter. I am used to people not listening to me ;-) | 22:00 |
| kimd | My daughter is worst. | 22:00 |
| +patspam | kimd: I'm listening but like I said I've been down the vm route and I didn't like it | 22:03 |
| kimd | That's because the image supplied is terrible. | 22:04 |
| kimd | And configuration is a pain when you do it for the first time. | 22:04 |
| kimd | I am not using virtualization myself for development. | 22:04 |
| kimd | But I really believe that this is going to be the future. | 22:05 |
| kimd | Spend not time on installing something, but rather start immediately. | 22:05 |
| +patspam | no that's not the reason, I used to create my own vm from scratch customised exactly how I like it | 22:05 |
| +patspam | the problem was the vm | 22:05 |
| +patspam | I hated that barrier | 22:05 |
| +patspam | it's only a thin barrier but it was enough to annoy me on a daily basis | 22:06 |
| kimd | But there are little barriers these days as network integration is getting better and better. | 22:06 |
| kimd | Admittedly, on windows it is still a pain. | 22:07 |
| +patspam | typing 'wgd' before certain commands is much less pain, especially since I do a lot of other things via wgd plugins | 22:07 |
| kimd | I very much love linux in this respect. | 22:07 |
| kimd | What I do is using separate tabs in my gnome shell. | 22:07 |
| kimd | In one I run the setenvironment script. | 22:07 |
| +patspam | yeah I used to do that too, but every now and then I'd forget which shell I was in, and accidentally install a new cpan module into the wrong site_perl etc.. | 22:09 |
| kimd | I see. So the problem is your memory, not the wre :-P | 22:10 |
| +patspam | so instead I have a 'wrecpan' alias for installing cpan modules into the wre, and for everything else stick to wgd (which runs in a different perl to the wre) | 22:10 |
| +patspam | ha yeah, and that's something I can't hack a solution for ;) | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | i used to never run setenvironment, but had a script 'wre' that would run setenvironment then whatever you gave it as parameters | 22:12 |
| +patspam | and now? | 22:13 |
| @Haarg | not using the wre at all | 22:13 |
| +patspam | ha, I can see a pattern here.. | 22:13 |
| @Haarg | we've still had problems compiling it on os x 10.6 iirc. | 22:14 |
| kimd | Are there a lot of mac users among devs? | 22:17 |
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| @Haarg | everyone at plain black is on mac | 22:18 |
| @preaction | yes, i can't compile the damned thing on 10.6 | 22:18 |
| +patspam | even now that koen has a mac? | 22:22 |
| kimd | Why is that? Does it have any advantages or are you all trying to be slick? | 22:22 |
| kimd | Ok. Enough for today. Happy hacking everyone! And enjoy your fancy macs ;-) | 22:27 |
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| michaleR | on a fresh install - just finished doing the first config - I get "unable to instantiate your style template" What's the usual cause for this? | 23:28 |
| Getty | party! | 23:54 |
| Getty | here is action | 23:54 |
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| @preaction | michaleR: type ?func=edit at the end of the URL and then click "Save". it should never happen, ever. | 00:08 |
| michaleR | preaction: thank you, trying now, see I need to log in ... going to fail safe mode | 00:12 |
| michaleR | login and still get permission denied. | 00:12 |
| michaleR | hmmmm | 00:12 |
| michaleR | OK, I've got the Edit Template up... | 00:20 |
| michaleR | and the default template is blank...But I've saved it and now It's displaying ugly but functional. Thank you, | 00:23 |
| michaleR | This implies that the templates were null in the db. Yes? | 00:29 |
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| michaleR | Turn Admin On - Logs the user out? At least in Firefox and Chrome... ?? | 04:36 |
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| kimd | Haarg, is that 1 am at the place where you live? | 10:30 |
| @Haarg | it's 2:35AM right now | 10:36 |
| kimd | Oh. I hope you have a big pot of strong coffee. | 10:36 |
| kimd | Important deadlines to meet? | 10:36 |
| @Haarg | not really | 10:43 |
| @Haarg | not doing much at all really. my schedule is always messed up on the weekends though. | 10:43 |
| kimd | :-) | 10:48 |
| kimd | I guess I can safely put into the category "night active human being". | 10:48 |
| kimd | put you... | 10:48 |
| kimd | Btw, do webgui devs work from home? | 10:53 |
| @Haarg | mostly | 10:55 |
| @Haarg | i work from the office because i am terrible at working from home | 10:55 |
| kimd | I totally understand. It's nice to have some colleagues around. | 10:56 |
| kimd | Haarg, I wish you a good night. We are heading towards the family. Eastern is calling... | 11:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 18:02 |
| @Haarg | morning | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: have you read the release notes for JSON 2.21? | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | i haven't, no | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/MAKAMAKA/JSON-2.21/Changes | 18:06 |
| @Haarg | the encoding thing? | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I was more thinking about the "infinite loop" in relaxed mode | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure how to read that exactly | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | it was a fix in 2.17 | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | but the note makes it sound like it was only a problem in 2.16+ | 18:09 |
| @Haarg | which would mean it was only a problem in 2.16 | 18:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | yeah, I'm wondering if we need to bump our requirements for JSON, so users don't get bit by it | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, our JSON is emitted by JSON.pm as well, so we're probably safe | 18:12 |
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| CIA-104 | WebGUI: jt * r12465 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/.pm: Removing strange i18n file. | 18:38 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8327e35 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove i18n cruft in Dutch and Spanish. Fixes bug #11506 - http://bit.ly/cKIx6h | 18:41 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2de75ea / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove i18n cruft in Dutch and Spanish. Fixes bug #11506 - http://bit.ly/bUEkZe | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, re our talk last week about CS and sort scratch variables: http://gist.github.com/356500 | 18:53 |
| @Haarg | it might be good to have it use 'revisionDate' instead of 'assetData.revisionDate' for the form param | 18:59 |
| +perlDreamer | true. there's no need to use assetData's over Thread's | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think I should add in any other fields? | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | prior to this fix, _any_ valid post field could be used | 19:01 |
| @Haarg | which is intentional, but not particularly useful | 19:01 |
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| kimd | Happy Easter! | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Happy Easter, kimd | 20:20 |
| kimd | Everyone painted his or her eggs? | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:21 |
| kimd | Good. That's more than I did. | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh. Is the young one upset? | 20:21 |
| kimd | No. We have enough chocolate to compensate :-D | 20:22 |
| kimd | preaction, have I mentioned that I start to like git? | 20:24 |
| kimd | git question: Does git pull also pull changes from an upstream repository (if configured of course)? | 20:33 |
| @preaction | yes, provided you specify which remote and branch you want to pull from | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | you can set each local branch to track an upstream repo, so it's handled automatically when you do git pull | 20:35 |
| kimd | I followed instructions in the wiki and did | 20:37 |
| kimd | git config remote.origin.url git@github.com:plainblack/webgui.git | 20:37 |
| kimd | Does that cause pulls from the original webgui repo for all branches? | 20:37 |
| kimd | Ah, no. My mistake. | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, re CS sorting fields | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | $self is not a CS | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and building a prototypical one via newByPropertyHashRef you have to list all the fields | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | since it doesn't provide defaults from the Definition | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I could walk the definition and build a set of fields | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | but an preferring to just whitelist the fields that we allow people to use as defaults from the definition | 20:39 |
| @preaction | okay, go with the whitelist | 20:39 |
| +perlDreamer | btw, getThreadsPaginator.t is awesome | 20:39 |
| @preaction | thanks. it was step 1 in fixing the four different ways to get threads | 20:40 |
| +perlDreamer | newByPropertyHashRef WILL d.r.t in WebGUI 8 and not just have sparse properties | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I can see the cognitive dissonance forming even now | 20:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6990f52 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11510, allowing non-valid sort fields in the form params to CS. - http://bit.ly/aud7qA | 20:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r776f0c4 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11510, allowing non-valid sort fields in the form params to CS. - http://bit.ly/bO5cS1 | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, from what I'm seeing in the revision log for RequestApprovalForVersionTag, it's always been plain text | 20:52 |
| kimd | Hm. Maybe, it was my e-mail client then automatically recognizing the URL. | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I would guess that is it | 20:53 |
| kimd | I am going to repost as RFE. Ok? | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | No. If you post that as an RFE, it will be approved and accepted | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | we shall fix it as a UI improvement | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | A copy of that message goes into the Inbox | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and it should be a real link anyway | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | because a browser won't autodetect it as a link | 20:54 |
| kimd | Ok. You want to do it? Or should I do it? | 20:54 |
| kimd | I should have time by tomorrow evening. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I'll do it right now | 20:55 |
| kimd | That's fine. I won't argue :-) | 20:55 |
| kimd | Still I have to bug you with git again. | 20:56 |
| kimd | I have the following lines in my config: | 20:56 |
| kimd | remote.upstream.url=git://github.com/plainblack/webgui.git | 20:56 |
| kimd | remote.upstream.fetch=+refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/upstream/* | 20:56 |
| kimd | Still, git pull only seems to pull from my fork and not the upstream repository. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that for all new branches that it will set the right things for you | 20:56 |
| kimd | For instance, I cannot see your latest commit. | 20:57 |
| kimd | What about my master branch? | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | for branches that already exist, you may have to set them to track automatically | 20:57 |
| kimd | Where to look for instructions? | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | man git-branch | 20:57 |
| kimd | Hm. I am stuck. | 21:02 |
| kimd | According to documentation, my fork is automatically set as upstream repository for my local master branch. | 21:02 |
| kimd | That is why I get nothing when I do git pull. | 21:03 |
| kimd | I can do git pull upstream master. | 21:03 |
| kimd | But that has caused divergence in the past. | 21:03 |
| kimd | This is really confusing. | 21:03 |
| kimd | Is there anyone online working with a fork of the webgui repository? | 21:03 |
| kimd | How did you handle this? | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I think people usually pull from the original (forked from) repo by hand | 21:04 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r3417650 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix #11511. URLs in version tag approval emails should be links. - http://bit.ly/cPtuBT | 21:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1df580f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix #11511. URLs in version tag approval emails should be links. - http://bit.ly/apm0sz | 21:05 |
| kimd | You mean "git pull upstream master" in combination with the upstream configuration I have posted before? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't think you need the additional configuration to do git pull otherRepo otherBranch | 21:08 |
| @preaction | provided "otherRepo" is already set up as a remote, no, it should just work | 21:08 |
| kimd | preaction, I believe I somehow screwed my master branch. | 21:20 |
| kimd | I am going to re-create it and see what happens. | 21:20 |
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| @Haarg | kimd, your local master branch may not be configured as a tracking branch | 22:49 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: back from your run yet? | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | yes sir! | 23:32 |
| @tavisto | I don't think jogging to your fridge to grab a beer counts as "a run" | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, technically that's wobbling to the fridge and back | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | the extra motion burns more calories | 23:41 |
| @tavisto | I suppose the wobbling gets worse depending on how many trips you've made :) | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 23:42 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, I went out for a run today, too! | 23:44 |
| kimd | It felt good. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I like running | 23:44 |
| kimd | Was the first in two years. | 23:44 |
| kimd | I like it too. But I usually get bored after 40 minutes. | 23:45 |
| @preaction | fft, biking will always be better | 23:45 |
| kimd | fft? | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | fft ~~ meh | 23:45 |
| kimd | meh? | 23:45 |
| kimd | Don't confuse me. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | wisconsin based sound used to denigrate other people's opinions | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or one of preaction's bike tires are leaking air | 23:46 |
| kimd | Ah, it's not an abbreviation for anything. | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | or, perhaps preaction himself is leaking air | 23:46 |
| kimd | Where is it stored in his body? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | hmmmm | 23:46 |
| kimd | But I agree. Biking is also nice. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | well, primary storage is two pulmonary sacs in the chest cavity | 23:47 |
| kimd | Did I mention I am going to live near the black forest? | 23:47 |
| kimd | That's good biking terrain. | 23:47 |
| kimd | Secondary storage? | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good terrain for everything | 23:47 |
| kimd | Ther must be a backup. | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | nasal cavities, and gastro-intestinal | 23:47 |
| +perlDreamer | however, gas exchange does not happen in those area | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | where near the black forest, kimd? | 23:48 |
| kimd | Basel | 23:48 |
| kimd | Lörrach, actually, on the German side. | 23:48 |
| kimd | Ever been there? | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | may have driver through it on the way to Hausach or Wolfach | 23:49 |
| kimd | Do you have friends there? | 23:49 |
| kimd | Btw, I solved my git problems. | 23:50 |
| kimd | I had to reset to the commit before the commit causing conflicts. | 23:51 |
| kimd | After that I mirrored to my remote repo and pulled in changes from the webgui repo. | 23:51 |
| kimd | Now it seems to be working. | 23:51 |
| kimd | Fantastic. | 23:51 |
| kimd | Still, this is really complicated. | 23:51 |
| +perlDreamer | this is embarrassing, I can't remember the name of the town | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | although, to get there by train we had to go through Switzerland | 23:53 |
| +patspam | yay, just submitted my WUC talk proposal | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! What's up patspam? | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Tue Apr 06 2010 | ||
| +patspam | ah not much, I was going to ask you if you thought I was mad to try to pitch my talk as Intermediate, but I decided to go with Advanced in the end | 00:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, plack is definitely advanced | 00:01 |
| +perlDreamer | or are we calling it wackgui now? | 00:01 |
| +patspam | heh | 00:01 |
| kimd | What's plack, btw? | 00:01 |
| kimd | I read that word before in the chat. | 00:01 |
| kimd | Maybe I should join the talk. | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | plack is a technology that lets you write web-apps without worrying about what's running underneath you | 00:02 |
| +patspam | the implications are worth communicating to the non-Advanced crowd - e.g. business owners can start contemplating new types of innovative webgui-powered sites | 00:02 |
| +perlDreamer | so you can run on FCGI mode, or apache/mod-perl, or just about anything | 00:02 |
| +patspam | but I guess it's too early for that | 00:02 |
| kimd | Will that be the future? | 00:03 |
| kimd | Is it something an average user will have to worry about? | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | it is also meant to make it easy to combine multiple plack apps and run them together | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I could use a TWG consult. | 00:03 |
| @Haarg | plack itself is mainly concerned with IO stuff | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | I need to supply a default font color for all account plugins | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | should I stuff that into wg-base.css, or create an account.css? | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | kimd: http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/PSGI-1.03/PSGI/FAQ.pod if you want to read about it | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and, if only we'd used File Pump, I could put this into 1 place, instead of into each and every template... | 00:04 |
| +patspam | yeah! | 00:04 |
| kimd | Thanks, Haarg! | 00:05 |
| kimd | I am going to have a look at it. | 00:05 |
| +patspam | I think you could go either way, since account plugins are core in a sense | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | i've been using plack for a few personal projects and am loving it more and more. | 00:05 |
| +patspam | as long as it has some sort of account-specific selector on it this time around I'm sure the TWG will be happy | 00:05 |
| @Haarg | i set up a plack server running inside x-chat the other day (something a friend wanted to do). it feels wrong for it to be so easy. | 00:06 |
| kimd | I still have only a vague idea what it does. | 00:06 |
| kimd | All this abstract technical stuff is causing me headaches. | 00:07 |
| +patspam | Haarg: yeah I've been using Tatsumaki a bit for random projects, I like the way it unifies blocking and non-blocking into one API | 00:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that's exactly it, though, kimd | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it's about abstraction | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | have you used anyevent much patspam? | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no longer being tied to a particular implementation, like modperl | 00:08 |
| kimd | I figured that. It's all that layering stuff. | 00:08 |
| kimd | To be honest, I don't even know what modperl does. | 00:09 |
| +patspam | Haarg: first exposure to it was Tatsumaki | 00:09 |
| kimd | I have never dealt with that part of WebGUI. | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | we've done a pretty good job of encapsulating it | 00:09 |
| kimd | I assume it's the interface between the web server and WebGUI? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | inside Session.pm and it's subclasses | 00:09 |
| +patspam | seems really nice though | 00:09 |
| kimd | I am glad I do not have to deal with it. | 00:09 |
| kimd | Good job indeed. | 00:10 |
| kimd | Ok, guys. It's bed time for me. Have a productive time! | 00:10 |
| kimd | Good night. | 00:10 |
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| @Haarg | i started working with poe recently, and have been trying to figure out anyevent now. i keep trying to figure out how you would do something like poe's yield in anyevent. i haven't really tried much though. | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there's an account.css... that helps a lot | 00:17 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r977036f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix #11513, account text follows site defaults. Set a default font color for Account content in root/import/account/account.css - http://bit.ly/b0vrVG | 00:19 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r6e25265 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix #11513, account text follows site defaults. Set a default font color for Account content in root/import/account/account.css - http://bit.ly/99ebYP | 00:22 |
| +perlDreamer | what's that thing you're supposed to do after you run? | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | ... | 00:25 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah, eat | 00:25 |
| * perlDreamer slumps in his chair | 00:25 | |
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| mech422 | hey pd - in profile.pm, an edit form gets built dynamically and the template loops over profile_fields_loop - but I can't see profile_fields_loop getting built anywhere? is there some magic in the super class that builds it ? | 00:59 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422: try looking in User.pm | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's all done in Account/Profile.pm | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | the actual form building is done in www_edit | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's passed off to another subroutine, where it sets the template variables | 01:09 |
| mech422 | I'm specifically trying to figure out how it 'knows' what XX_fields_loop to build? so I can do the same in my account module... looking at the www_edit method, I see it mucking with $var->{'profile_category_loop'} (but not appending any categories to it?) but nothing for the profile_fields_loop | 01:14 |
| mech422 | so I was guessing a 'magic' var got build based on module name ? (MODULE_fields_loop ?) | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | keep tracing the code, www_edit, appendCategoryVars and appendCommonVars | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be all you need | 01:16 |
| mech422 | kk | 01:17 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9b36e44 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Added JS-type cancel button to edit view of WebGUI::Asset::Post (Bug #11514) - http://bit.ly/9jVL2i | 01:19 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r01f0250 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Proper bug attribution to Bernd. - http://bit.ly/9J39Kq | 01:19 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9b2fff7 / (5 files in 5 dirs): Added JS-type cancel button to edit view of WebGUI::Asset::Post (Bug #11514) - http://bit.ly/c2XFiL | 01:20 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd6f4073 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : Proper bug attribution to Bernd. - http://bit.ly/diYQJp | 01:20 |
| mech422 | oh crap, I'm an idgit...thanks pd | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | probably smoked too much zope in your ill-spent youth | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 01:22 |
| mech422 | yeah - got tunnel vision looking at the www_edit, and settings routines | 01:22 |
| mech422 | prolly should look at the other 90% of the file too :-P | 01:22 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to pick up kiddos from school | 01:23 | |
| +perlDreamer | back in 20 | 01:24 |
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| elnino | anyone here from the template group? | 01:43 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, any feedback on those gallery bugs? | 01:59 |
| elnino | oh lordy. no. | 02:00 |
| * perlDreamer prepares to quote Mr. Filch | 02:07 | |
| mech422 | http://www.nakidness.com/images/funny/people/kids/full_brazilian/ | 02:07 |
| mech422 | whoops - wrong channel :-P | 02:07 |
| +perlDreamer | no nudie pictures mech422! | 02:07 |
| mech422 | actually, its not :-P I'm not that kind of Mech | 02:08 |
| mech422 | its more a "wishing for nudie" picture | 02:08 |
| mech422 | here ya go pd - you'll think this is cute : http://www.nakidness.com/images/funny/pets/dogs/crocodile_dog_suit/ | 02:21 |
| mech422 | kk - the dog in the croc suit made my afternoon :-) | 02:24 |
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| elnino | anyone here familiar with temlates? I'm trying to do several layouts using the wg's sidebyside and rightcolumn. but i'm not getting any position blocks to show. | 02:47 |
| elnino | s/several/nested | 02:47 |
| elnino | what does * html do in css? | 02:52 |
| elnino | and how do you google "*"? | 02:53 |
| @preaction | elnino: "ghost root hack" | 02:55 |
| elnino | heh? | 02:55 |
| @Haarg | it's a rule that only applies to IE | 02:56 |
| elnino | I have no idea what that means preaction | 02:56 |
| @preaction | google that instead of "*" | 02:56 |
| @Haarg | it's a css hack that depends on a peculiarity of ie's DOM | 02:57 |
| elnino | hm.. ok. | 03:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rc356a7a / (8 files in 8 dirs): DateTime::Event::ICal in Calendar, workflow to extend recurrence - http://bit.ly/8Y9zEr | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, all new modules have to be documented in docs/gotchas.txt. Could you do that, please? | 03:16 |
| @frodwith | damnit preaction | 03:17 |
| @frodwith | perldreamer: yes, I noted it in the changelog | 03:17 |
| @preaction | what? you said you did that | 03:17 |
| @frodwith | perldreamer: putting it in gotchas now | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, sir! | 03:17 |
| elnino | ok. let me ask this. anyone know what might cause two position blocks in a page layout to be black when hovering/moving an asset? | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | nice tests, btw | 03:17 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, black is supposed to be the highlight color | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you could paste the layout templates? | 03:18 |
| +perlDreamer | are they core ones, or custom? | 03:18 |
| elnino | yes, im trying to do nested layouts. like rightcolumn and one column does a twooverone type thing | 03:18 |
| elnino | but I'm not sure what the layout and wg-content-position class identifiers do. | 03:19 |
| * perlDreamer heads back to the kitchen, bbiaw | 03:19 | |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r89b07a4 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt docs/gotcha.txt): Noted new dependancy in the wrong place - http://bit.ly/cadmrz | 03:19 |
| elnino | for clrarity: http://pastebin.com/Aips5HRT - the actual template code is way too long. | 03:27 |
| elnino | Im pretty sure wg doesn; like e using the layout idenitfer more than once. | 03:28 |
| mech422 | Is there an easy way to see/dump what vars are available at a given template scope ? | 03:57 |
| mech422 | <tmpl_loop all> or something ? | 03:57 |
| @Haarg | not really mech422. | 04:00 |
| @Haarg | you could do it with Template::Toolkit | 04:00 |
| mech422 | blah - I have no idea where my var is going... I didn't give it permission to wander off and leave the rest of the template!! | 04:01 |
| mech422 | I have : http://pastebin.com/LwUe2P15 | 04:03 |
| mech422 | and template: http://pastebin.com/hszGxF8h | 04:04 |
| mech422 | it appears <tmpl_loop dmn_account_loop> is evaluating to an empty loop as the dmn_test message doesn't display | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | you commented out the code that does the magic, mech422 | 04:08 |
| +perlDreamer | you let out the magic smoke | 04:08 |
| mech422 | pd -what magic ? I basically inlined appendCategoryVars ? | 04:09 |
| mech422 | I _thought_ any element of $var got exposed to template, but it appears more complicated then that ? | 04:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a loop of loops | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | can you remind me what the top level goal of this is? | 04:12 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe you can get what you want a simpler way | 04:12 |
| mech422 | I don't really need the nested loops - I just need a fields for a single 'tab' | 04:14 |
| mech422 | so I thought I'd just do something like $var->fields (array) | 04:14 |
| mech422 | but that didn't work to good | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you can make a custom template that drops the tabbed interface | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | and set the profile fields to be invisible and uneditable | 04:15 |
| mech422 | actually - I got the tabs across the top working... | 04:15 |
| mech422 | its the template for 'my' module (1 radio box!!) thats the problem | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, that looks like rendered code | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, go up another level | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | what are you trying to do? | 04:16 |
| mech422 | should any keys/elements added to $var be available to the template ? | 04:16 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, if you're at the same level or lower, yes | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if you just want to add a radio button, you can add more profile fields | 04:17 |
| mech422 | I'm adding an 'account' module that will eventually function as a 'dashboard' for our site specific user stuff - subscription, newsletter subsciption, access to paid services, etc. Right now, it just needs a single 'subscribe to newsletter' radio button | 04:18 |
| +perlDreamer | then you shouldn't build this like the profile module | 04:19 |
| mech422 | tried adding it as a profile field - but can't set the profile field defaults using arbitrary perl code - I need to go out to our mass email provider, and query the subscription database to 'get' an accounts current status, and need to send updates back if the user changes the status | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | for that, you make a custom Form plugin | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and set it to be Profile Enabled | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | then you can add it as a profile field | 04:19 |
| +perlDreamer | see, now we're getting somewhere | 04:20 |
| mech422 | and I do that for every custom field initializer I want to add later ? | 04:20 |
| mech422 | that sounds counter productive | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | sometimes yes, sometimes no | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but basing that kind of code on the Profile module is not wise | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's designed to be automatically extensible and flexible | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't need all that in this case | 04:21 |
| mech422 | I actually went with the 'account plugin' because I'll have a bunch of external systems to talk to - and getting to build the form myself just seemed easier.. | 04:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be much easier | 04:21 |
| mech422 | I'm not really 'basiing' it on profile - I'm using profile to try and figure out how the form/template stuff works | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's two steps that are interrelated | 04:22 |
| mech422 | I hand build the form field using Form:Radio | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah just get rid of all the loop stuff | 04:22 |
| +perlDreamer | pass the Template a hashref of variables | 04:22 |
| mech422 | kk - trying that now | 04:23 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, yes, the template code is too long. I wanted people to see the div classes I've choosen to use. - that is what Im trying to accomplish, but I dont think wg likes me using nested "layout" identifiers like that. | 04:36 |
| elnino | I think Im just going to use tables. | 04:36 |
| mech422 | pd - this look better ? http://pastebin.com/s2prxeMW (I have 2 test elements, and a loop element getting added for testing...) | 04:37 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Form::Radio is a class name | 04:40 |
| +perlDreamer | you need to call a method in it to do anything useful | 04:40 |
| mech422 | poop - just guessed there... | 04:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I suggest WebGUI::Form::radio, which is a subroutine in the WebGUI::Form package | 04:41 |
| mech422 | but dmn_test and dmn_test1 don't appear to be available... or is that cuz the form field is horked | 04:41 |
| mech422 | http://pastebin.com/cBZSd7JK | 04:41 |
| elnino | by "not like", wg thinks the nested positions with in the oute position are all the same, and all turn black when I attempted to move an asset to posistion. | 04:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd need to see the template code to tell one way or the other, elnino | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | but you do have those nested div with the same class | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | that could be very bad | 04:43 |
| elnino | ok ill post it just a sec | 04:43 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, the template itself looks okay. drop the call to SUPER::appendCommonVars and see what it says | 04:45 |
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| mech422 | still nothing | 04:48 |
| mech422 | let me remove the horked form field and just try it with the test keys | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, have you checked the apache error log, and the webgui log? | 04:52 |
| mech422 | http://pastebin.com/UKLwrfxG | 04:52 |
| mech422 | let me check again... | 04:52 |
| mech422 | modperl error log looks ok - webgui log looks ok | 04:53 |
| mech422 | template: http://pastebin.com/30cdZcrx I just expected to see 'DMN TEST' and 'DMN TEST1' in logs | 04:54 |
| mech422 | err... in page | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | are you using the right template? | 04:55 |
| elnino | perlDreamer http://pastebin.com/ny4TCdMN - but don't worry abou tit much. I'm going with tables at this oint. I have a deadline. | 04:55 |
| mech422 | if I change the string literal at the top of the page - it changes when I refresh | 04:56 |
| mech422 | so it appears to be correct | 04:56 |
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| mech422 | http://pastebin.com/8mKdfYVb <- cut it down to 9 lines, still nothing | 05:00 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, could you paste the whole account plugin, please? | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | something doesn't seem right | 05:03 |
| +perlDreamer | like, are you sure that you're calling the edit method? | 05:03 |
| mech422 | I thought www_edit was hardcoded or something - do I configure the method name somewhere ? | 05:05 |
| mech422 | http://pastebin.com/TnjBMcR3 <- full plugin | 05:06 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, www_view is hardcoded | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | www_edit has to be called specifically | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | now we're getting down to it | 05:10 |
| mech422 | ah-ha! | 05:10 |
| +perlDreamer | to call www_edit, you need to have op=account;method=edit (I think) | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | put all that code into www_view instead | 05:11 |
| mech422 | Woot! that did it ! | 05:12 |
| +perlDreamer | now are you in business? | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | also, if you want a simple yes/no field, use WebGUI::Form::yesNo | 05:13 |
| +perlDreamer | it will do the right thing already, and is internationalized to boot | 05:13 |
| mech422 | thanks pd !! :-) | 05:14 |
| mech422 | yeah - I looked at WebGUI:Form and WebGUI::Form::Radio - but couldn't puzzle them out... | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Radio is 1 radio button | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | not very useful | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | RadioList is several buttons for the same form variable name | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | YesNo is special Radio List with only two buttons, yes and no | 05:15 |
| +perlDreamer | Form is a dispatcher to any of the form fields, using AUTOLOAD | 05:16 |
| mech422 | ahh - I thought there might be some perl voodoo in there | 05:16 |
| mech422 | let me go look at YesNo... | 05:16 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:59 |
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| +bartjol | morning SDuensin | 17:51 |
| SDuensin | Hey bartjol | 17:51 |
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| kimd | Native speakers, would you prefer the label "rotate left" or "rotate counter clockwise"? | 18:56 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 19:50 |
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| @preaction | if it is a good morning which i doubt | 19:54 |
| @preaction | http://www.break.com/index/math-teacher-shadow-trick-during-lecture.html | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of calamity do we need to cause this morning, preaction? | 19:58 |
| @preaction | we could always blow up the urth | 19:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if we blow it up, we couldn't rule it, though | 19:59 |
| @preaction | who would want to rule it? i have enough trouble just living on it | 19:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | nice video, preaction | 20:07 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, I fixed the Survey multi-slider! | 21:14 |
| +patspam | congrats! | 21:14 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer++ | 21:14 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r33c54b6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11469, multi-allocation slider doesn't work. Make sure that allocMax is set in all cases. - http://bit.ly/aSnWgW | 21:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r0bac357 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix bug #11469, multi-allocation slider doesn't work. Make sure that allocMax is set in all cases. - http://bit.ly/afeHUh | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | next week is a very big week | 21:17 |
| +patspam | why is that? | 21:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the end of the 6 week beta testing period for the spectre bug fix | 21:18 |
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| +patspam | oooh | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | so, if it works, no more spectre restarts | 21:18 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, are you familiar with thumbnail generation? | 21:28 |
| kimd | I have a strange phenomenon here. | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | too familiar, kimd | 21:28 |
| kimd | That's good. | 21:28 |
| kimd | I cannot get an updated thumbnail after rotating all pictures attached to a photo asset. | 21:29 |
| kimd | The pictures (that is all resolutions) are rotated properly. | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | but the thumbnail isn't updated | 21:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it stays in the original orientation? | 21:29 |
| kimd | The thumbnail, however, remains unchanged after calling ->generateThumbnail. | 21:29 |
| kimd | You are typing too fast :-) | 21:30 |
| kimd | Yes, exactly. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Does the same thing happen with an Image Asset? | 21:30 |
| kimd | I get no error messages. | 21:30 |
| kimd | Not sure. I am working with the gallery only at the moment. | 21:30 |
| kimd | It's about RFE #620. | 21:31 |
| kimd | Any idea or hint? | 21:31 |
| kimd | I checked generateThumbnail already. | 21:31 |
| kimd | It does a call to WebGUI::Storage::generateThumbnail. | 21:31 |
| kimd | I do not see why it should not work. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | where does the call happen? | 21:32 |
| kimd | Could this be a browser caching issue? | 21:32 |
| kimd | Wait, I am going to put the code into a pastebin. | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it could be a browser caching issue | 21:33 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, check http://webgui.pastebin.com/tLd9kDiZ | 21:33 |
| kimd | One moment, please. I need to bring my daughter to bed. | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | the next thing I would check is the timestamp on the thumbnail file, and make sure it is being updated correctly without using a browser | 21:36 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, can that be true? It's magically working now. | 21:40 |
| kimd | You must have some extraordinary powers. | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | extraordinary powers only available in the United States, and Germany. All rights reserved. For more information on extraordinary powers, please visit www.perldreamer.com | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, what can we do about the Shortcut metadata filter hoverhelp to make it clearer? | 21:42 |
| kimd | Hm. Good question. | 21:49 |
| kimd | Let me have a look. | 21:49 |
| kimd | I will try to come up with something useful. | 21:49 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, I guess one thing that would help is graying out elements if the filter is not enabled. The current appearance suggests, that filters and additional meta data gui elements are not related. | 21:51 |
| kimd | In addition I would add a line of help between the filter text box and meta data fields. | 21:51 |
| kimd | Something like "Use meta data fields to construct filter rules." | 21:52 |
| kimd | Does that make sense? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know about adding the extra line of help | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | it does have hoverhelp | 21:52 |
| kimd | That's true. But the hoverhelp does not cover meta data form elements. | 21:53 |
| kimd | Maybe you could extend hoverhelp with some instructions? | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | also, the meta field form elements should be disabled unless "Shortcut by alternate criteria" is selected. | 21:53 |
| kimd | Ah. I was too fast. In fact there is already a sentence at the end. | 21:53 |
| kimd | Exactly. | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the text area grays out, but the builder still works | 21:54 |
| kimd | True. | 21:54 |
| kimd | Should I add that to my bug report? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, please | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | we could expand the hoverhelp with better instructions, too | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | one sentence is a little terse for something that complex | 21:55 |
| kimd | You are the native speaker and documentation expert. I leave that up to you ;-) | 21:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | kimd, I'm surprised that you didn't notice the i18n bug in there | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the Add button in the Shortcut form, it says "Add", right? | 22:00 |
| kimd | Wait. I just switched to English. | 22:01 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, you are right. Forms apparently are not internationalized. | 22:02 |
| kimd | I am going to add another bug report. | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | they're supposed to be | 22:02 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r08b662b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): Internationalize the Add button in the Criteria builder for the Shortcut. - http://bit.ly/8ZElxy | 22:02 |
| kimd | Ah, damn! You are really fast! | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I only did the Add button | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | do AND and OR need it, too? | 22:03 |
| kimd | One moment. My daughter is complaining. | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | nope, AND and OR are i18n'ed | 22:04 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, that's correct. German translation is there already. | 22:08 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, thanks for applying the cancel button bug fix. And I am sorry for forgetting about all the other post forms. Were you able to pull my commit without problems? | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | oh yeah, it worked great | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | git remote add spunky spunky_git_url | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | git cherry-pick commitspec | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that was all it took | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | then, wgd edit 5 times | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd package -u | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and done! | 22:14 |
| kimd | wgd edit allows you to edit templates directly? Cool! | 22:15 |
| kimd | Btw, I accidently re-opened the bug report :-/ | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | wgd edit lets you edit _any_ asset | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | but it's very handy for templates | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, what do you think of this for hoverhelp: http://gist.github.com/357966 | 22:17 |
| kimd | Yeah, that's great. I would understand now :-) | 22:18 |
| * perlDreamer takes a lunch break | 22:19 | |
| kimd | preaction, do you think drag'n'drop sorting for the gallery is going to make it into 7.9.2? | 22:51 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to get through my inbox today, so probably | 22:51 |
| kimd | Cool. Let me know if I need to do more. | 22:54 |
| kimd | Enough for today. Good night everyone! | 22:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | what's the DOM command for grabbing elements by class? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | there is none. | 23:13 |
| @preaction | YUI has one. YUI.util.Dom.getElementsByClassName() i believe | 23:13 |
| +perlDreamer | yup, that is i | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | t | 23:22 |
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| +perlDreamer | almost got it | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be nice to know why element.concat(YUI.util.Dom.getElementsByClassName()) didn't do the right thing | 23:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r64f7bd9 / (1004 files in 4 dirs): more work on Admin. added FamFamFam icon set - http://bit.ly/a8kASw | 23:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf32f209 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix shortcut hoverhelp, javascript, and criteria builder usability. Fixes bug #11516 - http://bit.ly/c8eJd1 | 23:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r982e511 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Fix shortcut hoverhelp, javascript, and criteria builder usability. Fixes bug #11516 - http://bit.ly/b8SaPZ | 23:54 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf06ce2e / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm): Internationalize the Add button in the Criteria builder for the Shortcut. - http://bit.ly/adjBzw | 23:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | i love it when I can write javascript | 00:00 |
| * perlDreamer heads off to savor the glory, and to pick up the kids from school | 00:02 | |
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| +patspam | riddle me this | 00:06 |
| +patspam | why does modperl drop from 180 req/s to 65 req/s when I turn off Apache2::SizeLimit? | 00:06 |
| @preaction | that's an excellent question | 00:07 |
| @preaction | immediately? or after a while? | 00:07 |
| +patspam | immediately | 00:07 |
| +patspam | something else is killing child processes? | 00:07 |
| @preaction | well there's MaxRequestsPerChild | 00:07 |
| +patspam | it's bizarre, even with that commented out or set to 10000 | 00:08 |
| +patspam | I still hit MaxClients | 00:08 |
| +patspam | I'm using ab to benchmark it | 00:09 |
| +patspam | with: ab -t 3 -c 10 -k | 00:09 |
| +patspam | so, should be 10 concurrent clients | 00:09 |
| +patspam | and I have StartServers, MinSpareServers, MaxSpareServers all set to 12 | 00:10 |
| +patspam | and MaxClients set to 15 | 00:10 |
| @preaction | 10 concurrent clients, but do they request the page collateral too? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | also, i might try using siege instead | 00:11 |
| +patspam | ab should just do a single GET request i think | 00:12 |
| +patspam | it's just bizarre | 00:14 |
| +patspam | I set -c set to something smaller like 5, so ab should do 5 concurrent requests, still get 65 req/s, but if I turn on Apache2::SizeLimit, immediately get 100 more reqs/sec | 00:15 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: did you pull from kimd for the bugfix he did? | 00:19 |
| +patspam | it's specifically the $Apache2::SizeLimit::CHECK_EVERY_N_REQUESTS setting | 00:20 |
| +patspam | the higher I set that, the better my reqs/s become | 00:20 |
| +patspam | 5 => 160, 20 => 250, 1000 => 350... | 00:21 |
| @preaction | that sounds like a good blog entry. perhaps you could do me a favor? | 00:24 |
| +patspam | yes? | 00:24 |
| @preaction | could you graph a number of points and find an optimal setting before the returns become too much? | 00:24 |
| +patspam | sure - except it's likely to be machine dependent right? | 00:24 |
| +patspam | I'm interested in modperl performance metrics so that i can do fair comparisons to PSGI | 00:26 |
| @preaction | ok | 00:27 |
| @preaction | perhaps we could make a script that grabs some data points and then graph them and see if we can find some correlations? | 00:28 |
| @preaction | i like performance enhancement almost as much as i like performance measuring | 00:28 |
| +patspam | yeah, it'd have to rewrite modperl.pl and restart modperl to get each data point | 00:29 |
| @preaction | just a fun (well, interesting to me at least) exercise if you want to do it. some of the other devs might be interested in a quick way to improve performance on their sites too | 00:29 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: yes | 00:31 |
| mech422 | patspam: according to this http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/SizeLimit.html thats expected behavior (eg overhead in checkign process size ?) | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, but (see head of thread) the funky behavior is with SizeLimit off | 00:33 |
| +patspam | hey mech422! yeah it makes sense with SizeLimit enabled.. the thing that confuses me is.. yeah what perlDreamer said! | 00:33 |
| mech422 | apache has process size limiting 'built in' doesn't it ? | 00:34 |
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| * perlDreamer doesn't think so | 00:34 | |
| mech422 | SizeLimit is just 'better' then the default ... | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | just number of children | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | number of requests for each child | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | etc | 00:34 |
| mech422 | could have sworn it had some max_memory type thing ? | 00:34 |
| mech422 | ahh well | 00:34 |
| mech422 | so if there's no max - your trashing? | 00:35 |
| mech422 | err.. thrashing ? | 00:35 |
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| +patspam | I think there's something else killing child processes.. maybe a built-in apache thing or a stray config option somewhere in the depths of the wre | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | you limit memory usage by limiting the number of children, and the number of requests each child should handle before being reaped | 00:36 |
| +patspam | not thrashing, still plenty of memory free | 00:37 |
| mech422 | so you have plenty of memory, and check_every_NN stops if from doing something that burns cpu cycles... | 00:38 |
| +patspam | yeah, that part makes sense | 00:38 |
| mech422 | killing/respawning processes or what have you | 00:38 |
| +patspam | but when Apache2::SizeLimit is supposedly turned off | 00:38 |
| +patspam | I still hit MaxClients | 00:39 |
| +patspam | and performance drops by 100 req/s | 00:39 |
| +patspam | sounds like something less efficient that Apache2::SizeLimit is killing children | 00:39 |
| mech422 | hmm - define 'turned off' ? it needs to be removed from the perlCleanuphandler in httpd.conf right ? | 00:39 |
| mech422 | or maybe your setting it to 0 and its busy looping ? | 00:40 |
| +patspam | ah maybe that's it! | 00:40 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it's still doing something, even though it's disabled | 00:40 |
| +patspam | I'm just commenting out modperl.pl | 00:40 |
| mech422 | coolio - try that and see if it works ? | 00:41 |
| +patspam | mech422++ | 00:41 |
| +patspam | 400 req/s | 00:41 |
| mech422 | acck - I've been replaced !! | 00:41 |
| mech422 | Help help !! I'm too cute to increment !! | 00:41 |
| +patspam | heh you have to rename your alias to mech423 now | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | perlbot: karma mech422 | 00:42 |
| perlbot | perlDreamer: mech422 has karma of 1 | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | as long as we can access his counter, we can still use arithmetic to find mech422 | 00:43 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, how's yer plugin comin'? | 00:43 |
| mech422 | Hmm - does this make me stack based ? | 00:43 |
| mech422 | pd - good thanks :-) I'm working on the iContact connection now | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | pointer referencing | 00:44 |
| +patspam | awesome, I've got a real target to aim at now for the PSGI branch | 00:44 |
| mech422 | pd - thanks for all the help yesterday :-) I was really getting a bit confuzzled | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | you're welcome, mech422 | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be worth doing some code review in Content/Account | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | to better understand how method calling works | 00:45 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re724275 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Shortcut.pm : Fix merge problem - http://bit.ly/a8wEKS | 00:48 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2ce0ab7 / t/Workflow/Activity/ExtendCalendarRecurrences.t : Case sensitive tables in the ExtendCalendarRecurrences test. - http://bit.ly/diih5b | 00:53 |
| +patspam | current best benchmark I can get for WebGUI8 is 30 req/s | 01:13 |
| +patspam | whereas master (7.9) is >400 req/s | 01:14 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 01:15 |
| +perlDreamer | is this WebGUI8 with plack and Moose, or just WebGUI8 with moose, patspam? | 01:16 |
| +patspam | just moose | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | ouch | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | 13X slower | 01:16 |
| +patspam | the WebGUI8 branch in git | 01:16 |
| +patspam | do I need to do anything to configure memcached? | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I always just run it from the command line | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | memcached -d | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | as root | 01:16 |
| +patspam | it's running.. how do I tell if webgui is using it? | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | if it can't find a memcached instance, it will crash badly | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'd say you're good | 01:17 |
| +perlDreamer | although I have heard preaction say that the cache code is slower in wg8 | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | but still, 13X slower is not good | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | given that wg8 was supposed to be about performance | 01:18 |
| +patspam | try running: ab -t 1 -c 10 -k http://dev.localhost.localdomain:8081/ | grep Req | 01:18 |
| +patspam | or equivalent | 01:18 |
| +patspam | with StartServers, MinSpareServers, MaxSpareServers, MaxClients all set to 10 in modperl.conf | 01:19 |
| +patspam | assuming you're running preform MPM | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | in Master, I get ~75/sec | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI8, I get 0.33/sec | 01:23 |
| +patspam | do you have $Apache2::SizeLimit::CHECK_EVERY_N_REQUESTS set to something big like 1000? | 01:24 |
| +patspam | I was getting 65/sec in Master before I increased it | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | that's with a source install | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and 1/2/5/150 for Start, MinSpare, MaxSpare and MaxClients | 01:24 |
| +perlDreamer | hang on | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | I had it stuck in as a clean-up handler | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | with no additional configuration | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | let me comment it out and try again | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | with the Apache::SizeLimit commented out, I still get about ~75 on the top end | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | for master | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | but in WebGUI8 the data varies from 0.6 to 2.6 | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | (range wise) | 01:30 |
| +perlDreamer | the average is probably 0.8 | 01:30 |
| +patspam | PSGI branch gets 20/sec using Starman as the server | 01:33 |
| +patspam | for WebGUI8 | 01:33 |
| +perlDreamer | you win! | 01:33 |
| +patspam | heh no, I get 30/sec via modperl | 01:33 |
| +patspam | but it's catching up | 01:33 |
| +patspam | that's with starman --workers 10 | 01:33 |
| +patspam | so roughly equivalent to modperl with 10 child processes | 01:33 |
| +patspam | except that each starman prefork is only 30 Mb whereas the modperl ones are 70 Mb | 01:34 |
| +patspam | although shared memory blah blah | 01:34 |
| * perlDreamer tries not to get laptop envy | 01:35 | |
| mech422 | Umm - if your gonna throw in hooks to purge memcached on updates - perhaps it could be generalized to use Varnish as a front-end cache ? | 01:38 |
| mech422 | (you purge varnish objects by using http requests) | 01:39 |
| mech422 | if you want mind blowing performance - varnish is where its at :-D | 01:39 |
| mech422 | hmm - I wonder if there's a modperl thingy for nginx ? | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, I think nginx will work in FCGI mode, with a persistent perl interpreter | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | without the full monte overhead of mod_perl | 01:47 |
| * perlDreamer is still shocked at the overhead of Moose | 01:48 | |
| mech422 | yeah - ngnix does FCGI - but can modperl run in a 'normal' perl vm ? | 01:48 |
| * mech422 has no clue what modperl 'rules' are or what it changes | 01:49 | |
| Getty | mod_perl is an apache module......................... | 01:49 |
| Getty | so...... | 01:49 |
| mech422 | err...I mean can modperl based code run in a 'normal' perl vm | 01:49 |
| Getty | it depends on what features you use, probably | 01:49 |
| Getty | mod_perl can be used to just start it like a fastcgi and sets some var / vhosts | 01:50 |
| Getty | that can be easily done different in other webservers | 01:50 |
| Getty | thats why god invented stuff like catalyst to abstract that problem | 01:50 |
| mech422 | does modperl have issues with something like this: bless($self, $class_name); $foo = $self->bar() ; blah blah ; return $self | 02:10 |
| mech422 | (eg can I use $self->method() inside the creator if $self is already blessed ? ) | 02:11 |
| +perlDreamer | no, and yes | 02:11 |
| mech422 | Hmm - it keeps looking for bar() in package main | 02:12 |
| +perlDreamer | are you inheriting from anything? | 02:12 |
| mech422 | Umm - Account | 02:12 |
| mech422 | wait, no | 02:13 |
| +perlDreamer | :) | 02:13 |
| mech422 | I'm use'ing my module from a module based on Account | 02:13 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rdee5bbe / (8 files in 3 dirs): Proper Moose setup for addRevision... - http://bit.ly/agWSrL | 02:13 |
| mech422 | and I get: | 02:14 |
| mech422 | Unable to run www_view on dmnaccount: Can't locate object method "get" via package "main" at /data/DMN/lib/WebGUI/iContactV2.pm line 61. | 02:14 |
| mech422 | at /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI/Content/Account.pm line 171 | 02:14 |
| +perlDreamer | does iContactV2 have a get method? | 02:15 |
| mech422 | yes - and it worked as a standalone module | 02:15 |
| * perlDreamer says "hm" and takes a small break | 02:16 | |
| * mech422 says blah and takes a double shot :-) | 02:16 | |
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| * mech422 starts gutting code | 02:30 | |
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| +patspam | ok this is promising | 03:08 |
| +patspam | if I short-circuit contentHandlers in both WebGUI8 and PSGI branches so that they return 200 without doing any work beyond the initial setup | 03:09 |
| +patspam | modperl achieves 800 requests/s | 03:09 |
| +patspam | PSGI (starman) achieves 1100/sec | 03:09 |
| +patspam | so PSGI is now beating modperl, in terms of the basic overhead | 03:10 |
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| +patspam | that makes me happy :) | 03:12 |
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| mech422 | patspam: I'm happy too - I beat my code bloody with a big stick, and it now talks XML to iContact from within a WG 'Account' module :-) | 03:27 |
| +patspam | yay! | 03:27 |
| +patspam | preaction: you about? | 03:27 |
| @preaction | yeah, fixing a compy. sup | 03:27 |
| +patspam | WebGUI::Session::Output | 03:28 |
| +patspam | does it really need to handle STDOUT and file handles? | 03:28 |
| +patspam | not sure if it will be a problem or not, but trying to understand why we have it | 03:29 |
| +patspam | and if we will still need it afterwards | 03:30 |
| +patspam | the only thing I can see that uses $session->output->setHandle is AssetExportHtml | 03:32 |
| +patspam | I don't think we'll need it once we go psgi | 03:33 |
| @preaction | we have to have HTML export, absolutely must. doesn't matter how we do it, just that we can do it (and that it can be triggered from the UI) | 03:38 |
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| * Getty underlines that | 03:41 | |
| +patspam | agreed | 03:44 |
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| mech422 | g'nite all | 03:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam++ | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | curse you preaction, and your GalleryFile hacker! | 04:15 |
| @preaction | heh | 04:15 |
| @preaction | sorry, fixing compy for familia | 04:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r18466ca / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Asset_GalleryFile.pm : Stubbed out i18n file for Asset_GalleryFile - http://bit.ly/azOYjp | 04:25 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, I see | 04:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re03fdef / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/EMSRibbon.pm : i18n fix for EMSRibbon definition - http://bit.ly/c3LdEh | 04:27 |
| +perlDreamer | while I slave away over a hot text editor all day long, you're gallavanting along in the spring-time evenings | 04:27 |
| +patspam | woot, just got streaming response body working | 04:28 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r54ea1f6 / lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm : Catch exceptions when making assets to commit. - http://bit.ly/dciNj0 | 04:49 |
| +perlDreamer | curse you again, preaction! | 04:54 |
| +perlDreamer | you and your defaultless templateId! | 04:55 |
| +perlDreamer | may you grow hair out of your nose and ears | 04:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r1860408 / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Subscribable.pm : | 04:59 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Set a default template for the Subscription role. | 04:59 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: use WebGUI::Mail::Send, too. - http://bit.ly/cwiYVa | 04:59 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc549803 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Reindent Article.pm - http://bit.ly/9FFb36 | 05:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rce39ad6 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Article.pm : Must set cache after updating, since the attribute clears the cache if the ids are different. - http://bit.ly/aoE5QV | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! All tests are passing. | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | all 2794 of them | 05:11 |
| +perlDreamer | first time ev_ar | 05:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r45b6f45 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Add tests for Article->getStorageLocation, call addToCleanup by classname. - http://bit.ly/da7B4Y | 05:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r794b26d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Moose override commit in Thread and CS. - http://bit.ly/cORcVb | 05:31 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer++ congrats! | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks :) | 06:34 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, you're a very lucky fellow. | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Kathy is showing me pictures | 06:38 |
| +patspam | of? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | You and Helen | 06:38 |
| +patspam | ha ow man! facebook? | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 06:39 |
| +patspam | ha, I haven't seen them yet, helen just messaged me a few minutes ago saying that someone had tagged some with us in them | 06:39 |
| +perlDreamer | you've been outted | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | programmer, business owner, New York socialite | 06:41 |
| +patspam | drunkard =p | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | "classy" drunkard | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | not everyone get drunk on fine Oregon wine and Scotch | 06:50 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8a0130 / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Provide a default templateId so the magic buttons work. - http://bit.ly/cioK0j | 06:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3d593c6 / (61 files in 31 dirs): Preparing for 7.9.2 release - http://bit.ly/chnpuW | 06:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2e7b230 / (80 files in 40 dirs): Add new uploads. - http://bit.ly/aYxwo2 | 06:57 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r83ffaf9 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.3 development - http://bit.ly/a15Awz | 07:56 |
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| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12466 /translations/German/German/Activity_ExtendCalendarRecurrences.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:29 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12467 /translations/German/German/Asset_Calendar.pm: Updating German on translation server | 11:29 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12468 /translations/German/German/ (4 files): Updating German on translation server | 11:29 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12469 /translations/Dutch/Dutch/ (5 files): Updating Dutch on translation server | 12:02 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:56 |
| +perlDreamer | yo, SDuensin | 16:56 |
| ckotil | anyone know if the bug has been fixed where search results paginate for results that are not viewable by the user? | 16:58 |
| ckotil | example here: http://tinyurl.com/ygnlbwf | 16:58 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a bug for that? | 17:00 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that page requires a login | 17:03 |
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| @preaction | on which page? the Shelf asset? that's not a bu | 17:04 |
| @preaction | g | 17:04 |
| ckotil | oh, hangon. | 17:06 |
| ckotil | http://tinyurl.com/ybqpfpg | 17:07 |
| ckotil | forgot i was still on https. | 17:07 |
| ckotil | we require login for any https connection | 17:07 |
| ckotil | the SSO does anyway | 17:07 |
| +patspam | morning | 17:18 |
| +patspam | has anyone tested on Perl 5.12.0 yet? | 17:18 |
| +perlDreamer | not I | 17:20 |
| +perlDreamer | perhaps patspam | 17:20 |
| +patspam | no way that guy never does anything productive | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, that is indeed odd | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | but are you willing to trade large amounts of performance to fix that bug? | 17:21 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: indications are that we have indeed fixed the long-term spectre bug | 17:22 |
| @preaction | yay! | 17:22 |
| @preaction | what did it end up being? | 17:22 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/358934 | 17:23 |
| +perlDreamer | no return value checking on starting a cron job | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | if out tester continues to experience no problems, that patch will be included in 7.9.3 | 17:24 |
| +perlDreamer | and 7.8.18 | 17:24 |
| @preaction | so then webgui would think it was started, when it never was, and it would never get started again because they're all singleton | 17:25 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 17:25 |
| @preaction | nice | 17:25 |
| ckotil | perlDreamer: nah, its not a real bad bug. just annoying. and noone has even mentioned it yet. | 17:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's definitely ugly | 17:25 |
| @preaction | ckotil: the problem is that the search asset only prefilters by group ID, where canView can do anything | 17:26 |
| ckotil | ok. makes sense | 17:27 |
| ckotil | This sort of thing will be resolved in the greate search rewrite that is webgui8? | 17:27 |
| @preaction | there is no great search rewrite | 17:33 |
| ckotil | oh. i thought i read that on the todo list. | 17:33 |
| +patspam | maybe in wg9 the WRE should bundle kinosearch or something | 17:38 |
| @preaction | it was. it got bumped because we didn't have time | 17:38 |
| @preaction | how the heck do i merge kimd's branch? i tried "git merge" but then when i go to rebase so i can push it goes all wonky and makes me manually add everything | 17:39 |
| ckotil | ah | 17:39 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: just to make you jealous.. | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem isn't the actual search, it's the display code | 17:41 |
| +patspam | ..I'm running webgui and viewing debug/warnings through inside padre | 17:42 |
| +patspam | with clickable line numbers for warns | 17:43 |
| +perlDreamer | is that just a special tail -f, or is there additional padre magin involved? | 17:43 |
| +patspam | it's via the Plack plugin | 17:44 |
| +patspam | the console lets me start/stop/configure the server, and does an equivalent to tail on the output | 17:44 |
| +patspam | and detects line number references to make them clickable | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not in love with the editor (because it isn't vim) but that's a very nice feature | 17:45 |
| +perlDreamer | back in 20 | 17:45 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, anyone seen an sqlreport complain about empty queries? | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | only in debug mode, bartjol | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | query1 is doing it's job, only query2 (which indeed is empty) fills up the error log | 18:05 |
| @Haarg | i believe it's due to the code editor | 18:05 |
| @preaction | bartjol: upgrade. that was a problem with the code editor adding "\n" to empty items and sqlreport | 18:05 |
| +bartjol | aah, upgrading | 18:06 |
| +bartjol | ok, well, not a job for this moment | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, are you running the latest kernel on ubuntu? | 18:06 |
| +patspam | yeah I think so | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | having any CDROM problems? | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | I had mine crash once I believe | 18:07 |
| +bartjol | not sure whether that was the cause | 18:07 |
| +patspam | I haven't used my cdrom in months! | 18:08 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r9d760ee / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm : don't warn about white space only in SQLReport queries - http://bit.ly/93kdbx | 18:08 |
| +bartjol | so, I'm the best you've got perlDreamer | 18:08 |
| +bartjol | It was a DVD, not a cdrom btw | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, my bad on that. It's a combo drive | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it worked fine until this latest kernel upgrade | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | now I got no tunes :( | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | oh, well, my sound worked fine | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | with vlc | 18:11 |
| @Haarg | it's been years since i listened to music directly from a cd | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, the library would think badly of me if I started ripping their media :/ | 18:13 |
| @preaction | they don't gots to knows about it | 18:15 |
| * perlDreamer is mercilessly honest | 18:15 | |
| +perlDreamer | besides, I can't read from it, so I couldn't rip it anyway | 18:15 |
| @preaction | well there is that | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | oh, preaction you know what version that bug was resolved (+/- 2), don't go searching for it, I can do that too | 18:19 |
| @preaction | it was in the 7.7 series, near the end i think | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | ok, thanks | 18:19 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * reee547b / (6 files in 4 dirs): Add drag'n'drop sorting to the Gallery Album Edit View (RFE 11007). - http://bit.ly/bAfv2f | 19:54 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r2023e9c / (3 files in 3 dirs): fixed JS comment in head tags. added credits - http://bit.ly/aQpdnw | 19:54 |
| @preaction | yay! finally! | 19:54 |
| @preaction | stupid rebase causing problems... | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | nice work, dude | 19:56 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.8 * r528c0e8 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/SQLReport.pm : don't warn about white space only in SQLReport queries - http://bit.ly/dCZcVW | 19:58 |
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| @preaction | kimd: your change didn't get into 7.9.2 because git decided to yank me around (and minor family emergency). but it's merged now | 20:03 |
| kimd | preaction, no problem. | 20:04 |
| kimd | I actually came to the chat to ask whether I can make changes you requested before merging the patch. | 20:04 |
| kimd | Did you modify the code according to your suggestions? | 20:05 |
| kimd | Actually, it's only about the ( something ) && do part. | 20:06 |
| @preaction | no, i didn't change it, but go ahead and i can pull that commit too | 20:06 |
| @preaction | i fixed the JS comment problem though | 20:06 |
| kimd | I think I will do next time I add an action to the www_ajax method. | 20:13 |
| @preaction | anyone see this 2 in 3 YUI thing? http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/03/31/announcing-yui-3-1-0/ <- lets you load YUI2 components and use them inside of YUI3 code | 20:15 |
| @preaction | I.E. we could "transition" to YUI3 and keep all our existing code | 20:15 |
| kimd | What's new in YUI3? | 20:15 |
| @preaction | it's a ground-up rewrite. a better question is "what isn't new?" | 20:16 |
| kimd | I mean like "killer features" in you opinion. | 20:16 |
| kimd | Well, I certainly cannot judge this. But I like YUI. If there is a better YUI, why not use it? | 20:17 |
| @preaction | it's less annoying to code with. the Gallery/Loader | 20:17 |
| @preaction | the Gallery is the real killer app. anyone can put a component into the Gallery and then load it from any site using YUI.use('some-component-name'); | 20:17 |
| kimd | I will check that. Sounds interesting. | 20:20 |
| kimd | preaction, thanks for processing my RFEs. I am quite happy with your answers :-) | 20:25 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: it turns out there is a very good reason not to use override/super | 20:26 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have an Asset that uses it | 20:26 |
| @preaction | kimd: np, i figured i better so you don't end up slacking off and finding another project ;) | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | you cannot use _that_ module in another module that also super's the same method | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | so, for example, I just setup indexContent in all modules with override/super | 20:26 |
| +perlDreamer | and now, almost no module will compile, throwing this error: Couldn't load class (WebGUI::Definition::Role::Asset) because: Couldn't load class (WebGUI::Definition::Role::Object) because: You cannot override 'indexContent' because it has no super method at /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0/Moose/Meta/Class.pm line 315 | 20:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the bummer is that using override/super saves you some boilerplate code compared to around/orig/self | 20:28 |
| @Haarg | can you paste the changes you made that led to that error? | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, although I did them en masse | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's mixed in with some spelling typo changes | 20:30 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/359164 | 20:30 |
| @Haarg | weee more code editor bugs | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | more? | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | haven't seen any reproducible ones in a while | 21:04 |
| @preaction | the "huge file" one | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if that's the one in the helpdesk, I couldn't duplicate it | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | not only that, but the anonymous registration template is not 400 lines long, it's only 35 or so | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | so I think somebody hit the wrong button in the wrong place | 21:14 |
| @preaction | or perhaps its an old version where there were problems? are they on 7.7? | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | .32, and .33 | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: if an asset behaves differently based on Asset focus, is that a bug? | 21:21 |
| @Haarg | i can't say for certain the thing i'm dealing with is due to the code editor | 21:23 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: Snippet does so explicitly. what's the problem? | 21:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Take a Thingy, give it a default thing and set the default view to search | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | look at the Thingy on a page, and you get a blank search form | 21:27 |
| +perlDreamer | look at the Thingy directly, and you get a blank search form, and the results of a search for '*' | 21:27 |
| @preaction | that's probably a bug | 21:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | In 7.9, it always displays the search results, regardless of the mode | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | focus | 21:40 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, thank you for filter on wgd ls. had to do a mass edit of templates and that made it much easier. | 22:27 |
| +patspam | woot | 22:27 |
| +patspam | now I only owe you 499 beers instead of 500 | 22:28 |
| @Haarg | heh | 22:28 |
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| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r8559d7b / Build.PL : move test modules to build_requires - http://bit.ly/9CxgYj | 23:04 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rd30e92d / (3 files in 3 dirs): attempt to load help pod from *DATA to allow for fatpacked style script - http://bit.ly/9aFn9o | 23:04 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r5157294 / (43 files in 12 dirs): use __DATA__ instead of __END__ to allow easier pod access - http://bit.ly/dbC5Ka | 23:04 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r4cd332f / inc/WGDev/Builder.pm : use fatpack to generate single file dist - http://bit.ly/bEwX39 | 23:04 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r97421e0 / lib/WGDev/Command/Ls.pm : fix typo in ls command - http://bit.ly/9TxegH | 23:04 |
| @Haarg | at one point i wrote up a change to version tag naming to work better with autocommit. another one of those things i probably should have finished. | 23:09 |
| @preaction | i'd like to remove the autocommit setting entirely. let the content manager choose if they'd like to save a draft or publish immediately | 23:17 |
| * perlDreamer loves autocommit | 23:18 | |
| +perlDreamer | you can't get rid of it! | 23:18 |
| @preaction | instead of clicking Save you'd click Publish, that would autocommit. but you'd have the option to click Save and create a version tag | 23:19 |
| @preaction | right now its either On or Off, you don't have a choice | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | unless you enable the save and commit button | 23:20 |
| @preaction | right, but even then if you enable autocommit in the settings, you've basically overridden the conf (save just autocommits, save and commit does too, wait what?) | 23:21 |
| +patspam | is the WUC website supposed to send email confirmation that your proposal was received? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | i don't know, but that'd be a good RFE (it's a new feature in the EMS) | 23:43 |
| +patspam | ah | 23:43 |
| @preaction | it probably will if it gets accepted or rejected (it uses the same content approval system as everyting else i think) | 23:44 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer and I were discussing the other day that it'd be awesome if there were lightning talk sessions | 23:44 |
| +patspam | we just need to source a gong | 23:44 |
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| +patspam | I've submitted Lightning Talks as a WUC presentation proposal so that it's in the mix when the powers that be are deciding on the schedule | 23:53 |
| +perlDreamer | a gong is good, because if the talk is bad, we can ring it again | 23:59 |
| --- Day changed Thu Apr 08 2010 | ||
| +perlDreamer | and make the talker fall down into a secret trapdoor | 00:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any feedback on the override/super indexContent patch? | 00:35 |
| @Haarg | seems rather weird that it would break like that | 00:36 |
| +perlDreamer | it does | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's one that we have to fix | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | since around has the same problem | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | ok, that's very odd | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the stack trace from Article is a little cleaner | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it reminds me of that run-around issue that I had with running perl -wc Asset.pm | 00:47 |
| +perlDreamer | instead of using -mModule -wce1 | 00:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra0253fa / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove really old code from the old Rss From Parent asset. - http://bit.ly/9kHV7m | 00:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r22f1a07 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove really old code from the old Rss From Parent asset. - http://bit.ly/d84L0h | 00:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf01abc4 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove really old code from the old Rss From Parent asset. - http://bit.ly/9lwHKK | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, how are you testing the brokenness, just trying to load the Article class? | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | perl -mWebGUI::Asset::Wobject::Article -wce1 -I/data/WebGUI/lib | 00:54 |
| +perlDreamer | but the Test::Class tests fail, too | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | here's a patch for around, instead of override: http://gist.github.com/359517 | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | circular dependancies | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI::Asset use's other stuff | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | which use's WebGUI::Asset::Template | 00:56 |
| @Haarg | which tries to do around etc | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | but Asset hasn't finished loading yet | 00:57 |
| +perlDreamer | do we break the circularness by doing require before the other stuff is used? | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | probably by changing use to require for a bunch of stuff in asset | 00:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and by asset, you lib/WebGUI/Asset*.pm | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | i mean either WebGUI::Asset needs to require instead of use WebGUI::Session | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | or WebGUI::Session::Style needs to require instead of use WebGUI::Asset::Template | 01:00 |
| @Haarg | and doing the same for any other circular dependancies | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | this works pretty well for Article: http://gist.github.com/359520 | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | and the CS | 01:02 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r953df9d / (3 files): Remove a bunch of circular dependencies, based on using WebGUI::Asset::Template - http://bit.ly/cum3sy | 01:04 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc786395 / (13 files in 3 dirs): Moose overriding for indexContent. - http://bit.ly/bR2hoM | 01:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ree725b0 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Moose override for cut (Post only) - http://bit.ly/bF2Jqs | 01:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7ba8924 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Moose override for paste (Post only) - http://bit.ly/bMbsAJ | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | howdy, elnino! | 02:02 |
| elnino | hi! | 02:02 |
| elnino | any body have any recommendations for home insurance? | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | we use State Farm | 02:08 |
| * perlDreamer is starting to think that purge should just call purgeRevision, one revision at a time | 02:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | instead of duplicating the revision cleanup code in both places | 02:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | elnino, not to hound you, but do you have any comment on my feedback about last two gallery bugs? | 02:44 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r616d5cc / (36 files in 6 dirs): Moose overrides for purge, purgeRevision, and purgeCache. - http://bit.ly/9tStAJ | 04:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd69ed84 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Post.pm : Fix the POST purge override call to super. - http://bit.ly/cedR8l | 04:31 |
| elnino | perlDreamer, I just commented on one, but I don't know of another gallery rfe? | 04:51 |
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| elnino | found the other. | 04:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, elnino_ | 05:44 |
| elnino_ | np | 05:45 |
| elnino_ | sorry it took me so long. I'm sure there are many others i haven't responded. | 05:45 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just the one labeled album title | 05:45 |
| elnino_ | ok. i'll look. | 05:47 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.webgui.org/use/bugs/tracker/11489 | 05:48 |
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| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12472 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/ (5 files): Updating RedNeck on translation server | 15:12 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, the upgrade to 7.7.33 didn't do much for empty sql query fields in the sqlreport | 16:56 |
| +bartjol | I suppose the upgrade story continues, right after the backup | 16:56 |
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| +patspam | morning | 16:59 |
| +bartjol | morning | 17:02 |
| +patspam | all of a sudden the weather is hot here in ny | 17:03 |
| +bartjol | we have nice weather too | 17:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | yay for nice weather! | 17:05 |
| +bartjol | boo for long backups | 17:07 |
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| +bartjol | whoohoo, it is compressing | 17:37 |
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| elnino_ | good morning! | 17:39 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 17:39 |
| elnino_ | when I deploy a package, then make changes to the original (add files/delete files/etc) and repackage it and redloy it, | 17:39 |
| elnino_ | it's supposed to update right? | 17:39 |
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| +bartjol | elnino_: I'm not completely sure about that, it might also be that the url's are "protected" and the next deployment is put next to the old one | 17:55 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it safe to run myisamchk on a live database? | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | dunno | 18:07 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: ask Socrates- or SynQ | 18:10 |
| +bartjol | both not really present I think | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | the manpage says "take a backup first", so I'm guessing that it is sort of okay | 18:11 |
| +patspam | given that it's mysql.. I'd be cautious | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | a foresighted man counts as two | 18:13 |
| * patspam is excited about the Paris-Roubaix this sunday | 18:14 | |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, what is the threshold for including a language with the core? | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't it 95%? | 18:14 |
| +bartjol | oh, well, we talked about that | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | and there isn't a definite answer I believe | 18:15 |
| +bartjol | the 3 complete language have been put in | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | is redneck also complete? I saw a commit | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just 1 commit | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | I hope the fellow from Sweden takes on the grueling task of translating WebGUi | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | taking it on is the easy part | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | surving it with you mind still intact not so much | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I think this wiki page needs some updating: http://www.webgui.org/community-wiki/translating-webgui | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | hopefully bartjol, KlausH and SquOnk have rounded off enough corners that newcomers can come out only partially damaged | 18:25 |
| +bartjol | MrHairgrease: do you have any comments about the intactness of my mind? | 18:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | none that you can understand | 18:26 |
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| elnino_ | bartjol, oh that would be bad. | 18:34 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, are you going to let him talk to you that way? | 18:34 |
| +bartjol | aah | 18:35 |
| +perlDreamer | if I were you, I'd go over to his house, drink his beer and start remodeling his house | 18:35 |
| +bartjol | voices! | 18:35 |
| elnino_ | about the packaging... that is, I have no idea what you guys are talking about. | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | well, I never tried it, neither read the code | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | so don't put too much value in that statement, I can only see that that would be another option | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | eeeh, remodelling martin's house... but marijn will be mad | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | eh, drink her beer, too. | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if she can't keep him under control, she'll have to deal with the consequences | 18:40 |
| +bartjol | but colin, I just opened the door, so he could kick it in | 18:42 |
| * perlDreamer goes to the gym and ponders additional ways of affecting WebGUI's performance | 18:44 | |
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| ckotil | webgui uses MyISAM as the default mysql engine, correct? | 20:21 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, ckotil | 20:22 |
| ckotil | k. im gonna once and for all get all these InnoDB tables out of here. bc it causes me soo many headaches during upgrades. | 20:22 |
| ckotil | i must have had the default engine in my.cnf set to innodb when i was running from source before going to the wre | 20:23 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, I didn't realize how fragile the loading process was. | 20:28 |
| +perlDreamer | Using Moose has made this a big problem | 20:28 |
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| @Haarg | yeah, the way we've been handling it can be very problematic | 20:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | I've spent the last 2 hours debugging stuff just related to Asset.pm | 20:30 |
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| +patspam | so how are you supposed to enable a language after installing it? just change a user's language preference? | 20:53 |
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| +patspam | never mind | 21:04 |
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| +patspam | can I send someone a tgz of a new webgui language? | 21:48 |
| +patspam | webgui.svn.org doesn't like me | 21:48 |
| +patspam | er | 21:48 |
| +patspam | svn.webgui.org neither | 21:48 |
| +patspam | i18n.webgui.org doesn't have an "import .tgz" button | 21:51 |
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| +perlDreamer | sure, patspam | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | I can set that up for you | 21:53 |
| +patspam | ta :) | 21:53 |
| +patspam | email on the way | 21:55 |
| * patspam wanders off to get lunch | 21:57 | |
| +perlDreamer | good idea | 21:58 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rfe2b817 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Search/Index.pm): add 11477: Don't fill in a default synopsis - http://bit.ly/bqcx74 | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, do we need an upgrade sub to clear out existing default synopses, or a note that people should reindex their site in the gotchas, or anything like that? | 22:54 |
| @preaction | good question | 22:56 |
| @preaction | i'll write an upgrade sub to reindex the site | 22:58 |
| ckotil | im working through the 7.7.18-7.7.19 upgrade, and in the removeOrphanedVersionTags it fails, but doesnt tell you the bad version tags. I think i have a query that would help with that. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | we aren't releasing any new 7.7's | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | but we could always do a community release | 22:59 |
| ckotil | i searched the forums for anyone else seeing this problem. but coudlnt find any posts | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil: I guess you're just lucky? :/ | 23:04 |
| ckotil | :) | 23:04 |
| ckotil | and the upgrade proceeds. :) | 23:10 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8a9fc6c / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.2-7.9.3.pl : reindex the site to clear default synopsis - http://bit.ly/9mqbdh | 23:10 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12473 /translations/ (200 files in 3 dirs): Updating Australian on translation server | 23:11 |
| ckotil | http://www.pastebin.org/141866 if your interested in the query | 23:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: by what process are old translation files removed from the translation server? | 23:17 |
| @Haarg | no idea | 23:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | I guess that would mean "manually" :) | 23:19 |
| --- Log opened Fri Apr 09 12:06:43 2010 | ||
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| --- Log opened Fri Apr 09 17:43:29 2010 | ||
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| +patspam | bartjol: it's not my fault australian is similar to american =p | 17:53 |
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| +bartjol | but there are definitely missing australian words | 17:54 |
| +patspam | heh yeah I like the s/friends/mates/ | 17:54 |
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| +patspam | I'll work that in | 17:54 |
| +bartjol | ok | 17:56 |
| +bartjol | You just want to join the l33t group of trnsaltors | 17:56 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4519f55 / docs/gotcha.txt : fixed gotchas to remove memcached - http://bit.ly/aQP1mQ | 18:58 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb6b5e6c / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Layout.pm : fix deep recursion on getContentLastModified - http://bit.ly/ciujBq | 19:13 |
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| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I need a resend of your email of this morning, please | 19:24 |
| +patspam | oh? | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | it was nested in between a bunch of spam, and it was accidently deleted | 19:26 |
| +patspam | heh your spam filter detects australian content as spam? | 19:27 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it was collateral spammage | 19:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | perhaps later today I'll whip up a Test::Deep script that tells me just how Australian your translation really is | 19:31 |
| +patspam | the output will be: crikey! | 19:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | to be precise, "Crikey! This translation is chock-a-block full of little beauties!" | 19:49 |
| +patspam | I was disappointed at the limited scope for dropping in slang, we need more colourful i18n source messages | 19:53 |
| +patspam | things like: "your submission has been accepted, isn't that fantastic?" | 19:54 |
| +patspam | so that we can translate: "yep, got it, bloody ripper!" | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: MySQL to MongoDB migration notes: http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/04/mongodb-experts-model-the-move.html | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | you can always build a custom translation full of slang | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | like RedNeck | 19:56 |
| +patspam | yeah Andy Oram was at the NoSQL Live conference in boston a few weeks back | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, updated translation installed | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | it could use an SVN commit through the interface to update it | 20:10 |
| +patspam | would it be easy for me to get svn access to I don't have to keep bothering you | 20:12 |
| +patspam | ? | 20:12 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) it's no bother | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) you'd have to ask those in charge | 20:14 |
| * perlDreamer only pawn... in game of life | 20:15 | |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r0c00308 / (3 files): Moose overrides in Event, File, Post - http://bit.ly/9zp3yt | 20:17 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc35f3b9 / (6 files): Moose subclassing for Asset/*.pm. - http://bit.ly/b04Ccq | 20:31 |
| +patspam | in that case.. | 20:34 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rd3a3c4d / (4 files in 2 dirs): Moose subclassing for Asset/File/* - http://bit.ly/bf9lYt | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, with that last commit, the phrase SUPER has been eliminated from all Assets with the following exceptions: | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) the email y'all haven't responded to yet | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) odd cases when you're calling SUPER::someMethod from someOtherMethod | 20:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll wait 'til Monday on (1) then I'm going to implement it | 20:38 |
| +perlDreamer | on (2), I think I can convert some existing tests to verify how it will work | 20:38 |
| @Haarg | patspam, the only issue with giving svn access to translations is i don't remember how the translation server deals with that | 20:38 |
| @Haarg | more specifically, i don't think it does, and that can be problematic. | 20:39 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, translationServer.cgi, line 431 | 20:40 |
| @Haarg | well, that's something i guess | 20:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know how it handles conflict resolution, but I remember thinking we made the translation server the canonical reference, so that conflicts were dropped in its favor | 20:42 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:43 |
| @Haarg | still less than ideal because it doesn't see the changes until someone tries to change something | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the other thing I remember is that we'd decided to freeze the CGI until two things happened | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | - we could move it to git | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | - it was integrated as an Asset to give people karma for translating | 20:44 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 20:45 |
| @Haarg | moving it to git will most likely be much easier in webgui 8 | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | well, moving it to git will be much easier if i can use moose | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 20:47 |
| @Haarg | http://search.cpan.org/~bobtfish/Git-PurePerl-0.46/lib/Git/PurePerl.pm | 20:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r943ae9f / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Subscribable.pm : Only delete a group if it exists. - http://bit.ly/d8hF6i | 21:19 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4210d06 / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Subscribable.pm : Removed unneeded use module line. - http://bit.ly/aWsRke | 21:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r5399eb2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/DataTable.pm : Use the right i18n namespace for DataTable's assetName - http://bit.ly/b6XFKb | 21:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rf36a30f / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Refactor out code to build an asset with a real parent. Add purge tests. - http://bit.ly/9ScPkO | 21:47 |
| * perlDreamer goes running | 22:03 | |
| +patspam | frogwith: ping | 22:44 |
| +patspam | er | 22:44 |
| +patspam | fordwith: ping | 22:44 |
| +patspam | damnit! | 22:44 |
| +patspam | can't type | 22:44 |
| @frodwith | pastapm: wut | 22:44 |
| +patspam | you've been playing with plack? | 22:46 |
| @frodwith | *nodnod* | 22:46 |
| +patspam | have you looked at the psgi branch recently? | 22:46 |
| +patspam | I've been hacking on it quite a lot this week | 22:46 |
| @frodwith | not this week, I haven't | 22:47 |
| @frodwith | what've you been up to in there? | 22:47 |
| +patspam | the foundation is mostly in place now | 22:47 |
| +patspam | yesterday I put in some middleware that opens/closes the session | 22:48 |
| +patspam | so that all wG middleware and the wG app itself can just use it throughout the request cycle | 22:48 |
| @frodwith | http://search.cpan.org/~frodwith/WebGUI-PSGI-0.2/lib/WebGUI/URL/PSGI.pm | 22:48 |
| @frodwith | have you looked at this at all? | 22:48 |
| @frodwith | there's some session mddielware in there | 22:48 |
| @frodwith | *middleware, too. | 22:49 |
| @frodwith | in that dist, anywho | 22:49 |
| +patspam | yeah, I saw WebGUI::PSGI::Middleware::Session | 22:49 |
| +patspam | I've gotten the basic architecture roughly how I like it (http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/psgi/README) | 22:50 |
| +patspam | the next phase is working through the cascading effect on the rest of wG | 22:51 |
| +patspam | TODO is at: | 22:51 |
| +patspam | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/psgi/TODO | 22:51 |
| @frodwith | this is a wg8 branch? | 22:52 |
| +patspam | yep | 22:52 |
| +patspam | benchmarks are good too | 22:52 |
| +patspam | compared to WebGUI8 anyway ;) | 22:52 |
| +patspam | getting close to parity | 22:52 |
| +patspam | WebGUI8 is 30 req/s whereas the psgi branch is 23 req/s | 22:53 |
| @frodwith | *nods* | 22:53 |
| @frodwith | have you profiled at all? | 22:53 |
| +patspam | yeah | 22:53 |
| +patspam | really easy to NYTProf it now that there's no more modperl | 22:53 |
| @frodwith | *curses at modperl* | 22:54 |
| +patspam | the promising thing is that if you insert a static contentHandler so that only the scaffolding is doing any work, it's actually about 20% faster than WebGUI8 | 22:54 |
| +patspam | anyway, I could really do with other people hacking on it and adding new ideas | 22:55 |
| @frodwith | if you what now? | 22:55 |
| @frodwith | this is the part where you convince preaction that I should be paid to hack on this :-p | 22:56 |
| * patspam does a jedi wave in front of preaction's face | 22:56 | |
| @frodwith | running things under a plack server pays dividends in terms of development time alone | 22:58 |
| @frodwith | easier to profile, non-buggy changes without restarting the server, other things I'm sure | 22:58 |
| +patspam | yeah, perlDreamer is going to have a field day with Plack::Test | 22:58 |
| +patspam | I'm most excited about the new deployment options | 22:59 |
| @frodwith | have you been following miyagawa's cloud thing? sunaba, is it? | 22:59 |
| +patspam | yeah, insane | 23:00 |
| +patspam | I guess the biggest props go to dankogai for implementing the sandbox | 23:00 |
| @frodwith | ah. I just got a general idea from miyagawa's tweets, haven't look at the implementation or anything | 23:01 |
| @frodwith | but running psgi apps in the cloud = awesome. | 23:02 |
| +patspam | yeah, I have extreme heroku envy so it's a welcome development | 23:03 |
| @Haarg | preaction, do you have any problem with me making WebGUI::SQL a DBI subclass? | 23:12 |
| clifmo | should i have apache & mysql installed before installing with wre? | 23:25 |
| +patspam | http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4505694655/sizes/o/in/set-72157623692891097/ | 23:48 |
| @frodwith | >:^) | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | clifmo, the WRE will provide apache and mysql for you | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you do not need to have it installed | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | in fact, if mysql is already installed, it can interfere with the WRE | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are instructions in the wiki on how to handle that | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam: you're installed again | 00:26 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer++ | 00:28 |
| +patspam | wooh, back to 100% | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what's Plack::Test? | 00:28 |
| +patspam | http://advent.plackperl.org/2009/12/day-13-use-placktest-to-test-your-application.html | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | nice | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | sounds like we could drop WebGUI::PseudoRequest | 00:32 |
| +patspam | off a cliff | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | are you hating on my faux test module? | 00:34 |
| +patspam | hehe no | 00:35 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI8's new assets aren't looking that bad so far | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there is some hangup with purging Wiki related assets | 00:56 |
| +perlDreamer | ...and then I ran the paste test | 01:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r69904f6 / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Tests for cut. Total of 3081 tests so far. - http://bit.ly/axgGaL | 01:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r4895b14 / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : hm, actually need that WebGUI::Asset::Shortcut thing - http://bit.ly/daYyM2 | 01:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * racded27 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Pass myself along as the asset to check for valid parentage. - http://bit.ly/bCrYqW | 01:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r8e946aa / lib/WebGUI/Asset/File/GalleryFile.pm : Fix a typo in getCurrentRevisionDate. - http://bit.ly/dnI1FX | 01:13 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra598c13 / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Do not pass myself off as a parent. - http://bit.ly/de1nug | 01:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * ra79f813 / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Add tests for paste. Be sure to setup session->asset for canPaste tests. - http://bit.ly/9ZwOrO | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | have a good weekend everyone! | 01:23 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * rf22020c / (7 files in 5 dirs): | 01:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Turned on Debug middleware | 01:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Removed unnecessary $session->close() now that we have WebGUI::Middleware::Session | 01:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Fixed Content-Type bug - http://bit.ly/ccUkvt | 01:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r2bac95f / (TODO app.psgi lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm): Mostly decoupled WebGUI from Log4perl - http://bit.ly/d12RlM | 01:44 |
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| Mech422 | Mech's stupid question of the day - anyone know why this renders with 'no' checked ? : | 02:04 |
| Mech422 | my $fieldForm = WebGUI::Form::YesNo($session, { | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | name => "dmn_subscribed", | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | value => 1, #$var->{'subscribe'}, | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | label => 'subscribed', | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | }); | 02:05 |
| @preaction | Mech422: don't do that. use a pastebin. | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | I've also tried it with defaultValue=>1 | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | preaction: sorry - figured 5 lines was small enough... mea culpa | 02:05 |
| Mech422 | btw - Image.pm uses -name and -value ? | 02:07 |
| @preaction | i don't know what's wrong with the yesno, and i don't know what the question is about Image.pm? | 02:08 |
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| Mech422 | preaction: I guess the question is - Is Image.pm using the 'wrong' parm names, or are there 2 sets of parms ? ('name', '-name') ? or is one deprecated ? | 02:10 |
| @preaction | name and -name are the same, -name is deprecated | 02:11 |
| Mech422 | ahh cool | 02:11 |
| Mech422 | on the bright side, the xml comms with iContact work pretty well :-) I thought modperl might get upset about me doing http calls and stuff - but it seems pretty happy | 02:14 |
| Mech422 | have I just been lucky or is modperl generally considered 'mashup' friendly ? | 02:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra759848 / (3 files in 2 dirs): initial locationbar commit - http://bit.ly/bpX51h | 02:15 |
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| ottoshmidt | I am an absolute noob to webgui, installed from debian package manager and now I don't know how to run it | 16:28 |
| ottoshmidt | can anyone help? | 16:28 |
| ottoshmidt | Radix_, are you here? | 16:30 |
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| Getty | can someone here probably help me? | 22:01 |
| Getty | aehm with a catalyst i18n problem... | 22:02 |
| Getty | i totally dont get it... | 22:03 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r716bdae / (7 files in 5 dirs): | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added exception handling | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added error doc mapping | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Moved more logic into Session middleware | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added Credit example to app.psgi | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Made StackTrace and Debug panel automatically turn on when debug mode enabled | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Fixed errorHandler - http://bit.ly/c80Whv | 00:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r42c1a8e / (6 files in 4 dirs): Made $session->log->fatal() message pass through - http://bit.ly/9fwfmt | 00:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: do you want me pester you now or later about Location Bar i18n? | 05:58 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r873c07a / lib/WebGUI/Role/Asset/Subscribable.pm : Must return the state of the call to super() in Subscribable's purge. - http://bit.ly/9Ypclk | 05:58 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r2d4d95a / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Add 1 basic test for canPaste. - http://bit.ly/8Zivih | 06:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re8d196c / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Produced assets should be refreshed from the db. - http://bit.ly/auFqtm | 06:35 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: later will be fine, since everyone else is already pestering me about something | 06:38 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, preaction, when is a good time for you? | 06:41 |
| +perlDreamer | Late next week? | 06:41 |
| @preaction | try early next year how about? | 06:42 |
| @preaction | or the day after i'm fired for whatever it is i do wrong these days | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's gotta be fixed before wg8 release, otherwise my boss will be very upset | 06:42 |
| @preaction | yes, yes he will | 06:42 |
| @preaction | but i thought we were revisiting i18n entirely | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | only from an API standpoint | 06:42 |
| +perlDreamer | not from the need to make sure that all labels aren i18n'ed | 06:43 |
| @preaction | right, but if the API changes, the way i'd get my i18n values would change | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you'll still make a call through the JS API | 06:43 |
| @preaction | it will be i18n, once i convince TMRFE that i'm actually accomplishing something | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought you were TMRFE | 06:45 |
| @preaction | so did i | 06:45 |
| @preaction | *spooky noise* | 06:45 |
| +perlDreamer | well, if you're still employed later, I'll pester you about it | 06:49 |
| +perlDreamer | unless I'm not employed either | 06:49 |
| * perlDreamer gulps and sweats | 06:49 | |
| @preaction | that is true, then nobody needs to care about anything! yay! | 06:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | Guest61322, you can ask WebGUI questions in this channel, whatever your nick is | 08:11 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1593996 / (7 files in 2 dirs): Add better comment rating icons. They still have smiley faces, but they're cleaned and trimmed up. - http://bit.ly/d9M1Il | 08:20 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings and stuff. | 16:53 |
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| +bartjol | cool stuff? | 16:54 |
| SDuensin | Yea, actually. :-) | 16:57 |
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| +bartjol | very good | 17:16 |
| SDuensin | Just need to get enough coffee in me to deal with SQL today. | 17:18 |
| +bartjol | ah, and that is a measure in gallons? | 17:21 |
| SDuensin | It may be before this is over. Dredging up old knowledge and trying to make it work again. | 17:22 |
| SDuensin | I'm building an app that runs on the web, but I want to have everything needed to test it live in my IDE. So no external web server, no SQL server, etc. | 17:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | SDuensin, check out Plack, and Padre | 17:59 |
| SDuensin | I don't think they'll do Jack for Java. :-D | 17:59 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, if you write it in Java, it's your own fault | 18:00 |
| SDuensin | For being productive, it's still my favorite. And with GWT, I use the same language for the entire project - UI and all. | 18:00 |
| @preaction | it sounds good on paper, but how does it perform in the Real World? | 18:02 |
| SDuensin | Extremely well. | 18:02 |
| SDuensin | The new JVMs are FAST. | 18:02 |
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| kimd | Hi folks! I would like to get some opinions on RFE #620 (http://www.webgui.org/rfe/request-for-enhancement/gallery-rotate-photos). | 20:40 |
| kimd | Should I add buttons for flipping photos? | 20:40 |
| kimd | Does that make sense? | 20:41 |
| kimd | Or is 90° clockwise and counterclockwise sufficient? | 20:41 |
| @preaction | kimd: however you want. the RFE only specifies the CW and CCW, but if you want flip go for it | 20:43 |
| kimd | That is I would be allowed to do that? | 20:43 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:44 |
| kimd | Ok. I will think about it. | 20:44 |
| kimd | preaction, perlDreamer, I have another (testing-related) question. | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | bring it on! | 20:45 |
| kimd | I am using the rotate method provided by WebGUI::Storage | 20:45 |
| kimd | There is no testing code yet. | 20:45 |
| kimd | I would like to add some. | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 20:46 |
| kimd | Do I have to test in WebGUI::Storage and WebGUI::File::GalleryFile::Photo? | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 20:46 |
| @preaction | just in the Storage one | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 20:46 |
| kimd | Actually, testing in WebGUI::File::GalleryFile::Photo would catch any error in WebGUI::Storage as well. | 20:47 |
| kimd | The coverage would be better. However, testing would be more indirect. | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it should be tested at the source | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | then you can trust that it works there, and everywhere else | 20:47 |
| kimd | Ok. I will do it there then. | 20:47 |
| @preaction | and it would only test for Photo, not for Image, or any other random class that uses the rotate() method | 20:47 |
| @preaction | that's why you should only test the code in the method, not any related methods (it doesn't matter HOW the job gets done, just that it gets done) | 20:48 |
| @preaction | this is so later we can completely refactor that method, not use Storage->rotate(), and the tests will still pass (and Storage->rotate() will still be tested, even though we don't use it in Photo anymore) | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | was that just an example, or would we really support multiple rotate methods? | 20:50 |
| kimd | No. The difference is that in the photo asset rotate will rotate all files in storage and re-create the thumbnail. | 20:50 |
| @preaction | that's just an example | 20:50 |
| kimd | But it uses the rotate method of the storage for individual files. | 20:50 |
| kimd | How would I test the rotate method of the photo asset then? | 20:51 |
| kimd | I would have to look at pixels of files as well. | 20:51 |
| kimd | Or am I missing something? | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | no, you're right | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | because you have to check that it was rotated | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | rather | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | that every file in the storage location was rotated | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so you check to make sure that Storage->rotate does the right thing | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and that Photo->www_rotate also does the right thing | 20:52 |
| kimd | Alright. I think I know what to do. | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I would upload a rectangular image, and then check the aspect ratio before and after rotating | 20:53 |
| kimd | Hey, pearlDreamer! You are genious! | 20:54 |
| kimd | That is much easier. | 20:54 |
| kimd | However, that doesn't catch the difference between rotating clockwise and counter-clockwise. | 20:54 |
| kimd | But both is probably good: checking the aspect ratio and individual pixels. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | for that, I would upload a rectangular image that contains a small square in 1 corner | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | by checking the area around the corner of a rotated image, you can see whether or not it rotated the correct way | 20:57 |
| kimd | Done. | 20:58 |
| kimd | :-) | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not the only genius here, kimd :) | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | You are really dedicated to working on the Gallery | 20:59 |
| kimd | Well, it's my favorite asset (or soon to be). | 20:59 |
| kimd | For a community site it is probably one of the most important functions. | 20:59 |
| kimd | I want to get people contribute images. | 21:00 |
| kimd | At the moment activity is close to zero. | 21:00 |
| @preaction | yes, we have had a problem with "bare minimum" lately. | 21:01 |
| @preaction | i mean, why use WebGUI's gallery when there's Flickr or Photobucket? | 21:01 |
| kimd | That's true. | 21:02 |
| kimd | preaction, ever thought about using Flickr or related services as a backend? | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I think that's one of the really big WebGUI problems | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Why use WebGUI's gallery when there's Flickr, etc. | 21:03 |
| @preaction | we've thought about making import/export from Flickr / Photobucket, but nobody's funded it | 21:03 |
| kimd | Users are totally spoiled. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Why use WebGUI's wiki, when there's mediawiki and others | 21:03 |
| kimd | That would be also very nice to have. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Why use WebGUI's forums, when there's phpBB, et. al. | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI addresses a small niche market where people want an integrated solution | 21:03 |
| kimd | Ideally, there would be a lot more community members implementing RFEs. | 21:03 |
| @preaction | i think the bigger problem is that it's not Easy to develop for WebGUI. | 21:03 |
| @preaction | that niche market is shrinking, with these hosted sites providing APIs | 21:04 |
| kimd | In fact, I would say it is. | 21:04 |
| kimd | The initial learning curve is shallow, though. | 21:04 |
| kimd | That may in part be because of missing free documentation. | 21:04 |
| @preaction | if it were EASY to develop for WebGUI, there could be more time being spent on Application Features instead of bugfixing | 21:04 |
| kimd | Good point. | 21:05 |
| kimd | Still I think it is not that complicated. | 21:05 |
| kimd | I mean, I managed to contribute some code. | 21:05 |
| kimd | And I am only a spare time programmer. | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I think it's more our programming style | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's often fast, furious, sloppy and not well tested or documented | 21:05 |
| kimd | Hm. Maybe, that as well. | 21:06 |
| kimd | Still, I would think it is a lack of documentation. | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | _I_ wrote most of the POD in WebGUI | 21:06 |
| kimd | Not talking about POD, perlDreamer. | 21:06 |
| kimd | The POD is very good. You have done a great job. | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | It takes a lot of time to write books, kimd | 21:07 |
| kimd | I know. | 21:07 |
| @preaction | that's why i want a larger seperation between the Base APIs (Model, Template, Request, User, Group) and the Core Apps / APIs (Shop, Asset, Workflow, LDAP, Auth) | 21:07 |
| @preaction | the Base APIs should be under 100% lockdown, tight control, fully tested and documented | 21:07 |
| kimd | What we would need is a tutorial on programming. | 21:08 |
| @preaction | then the Core apps can be more lenient, using the Base APIs to achieve their goals | 21:08 |
| kimd | Essentials on the API including good examples. | 21:08 |
| kimd | Something that lowers the initial hurdles for getting started. | 21:08 |
| @preaction | i'd like to know Why to use a method, not What the method does | 21:08 |
| @preaction | Why is not always apparent, esp. when you're starting out | 21:08 |
| kimd | But that's done best by giving examples. | 21:09 |
| kimd | Don't you think so, preaction? | 21:09 |
| @preaction | eh, i've been reading AS3 examples, and they just do nothing for me. they assume I know other things about the code that I do not know | 21:09 |
| kimd | Well, you need to start somewhere. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | but different people learn different ways | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | some people just want an API reference | 21:10 |
| kimd | I don't think it will be possible to get people started in a day or two. | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | some want examples | 21:10 |
| kimd | But do we agree that it's mostly about documentation? | 21:10 |
| @preaction | no | 21:11 |
| kimd | Ok. Features? | 21:11 |
| @preaction | the API is all convoluted and messy | 21:11 |
| @preaction | version tags are made always, you have to explicitly tell WebGUI to not make one | 21:11 |
| kimd | Hm. But are there any better solutions? | 21:11 |
| @preaction | yes, ground-up rewrite using Perl Best Practices and Task::Kenshi | 21:11 |
| kimd | Isn't the API rather a strength of webgui? | 21:11 |
| kimd | I mean existing solutions. | 21:11 |
| @preaction | er.. Task::Kensho | 21:12 |
| @preaction | I think Django has the start of a right idea API-wise, but they don't have a core set of useful apps. Same with Catalyst | 21:12 |
| kimd | Will there a be a ground-up rewrite in WebGUI 8? | 21:12 |
| @preaction | Catalyst i think offers too many options to ever coalesce into a core set of useful apps | 21:13 |
| kimd | Are Django and Catalyst written in perl? | 21:13 |
| @preaction | 8 has a set of tasks and features that I was engaged to produce | 21:13 |
| @preaction | Catalyst is a Perl Web Framework. Django is a Python Web Framework | 21:13 |
| kimd | preaction, is it possible that you are too much of a purist (no offense!). | 21:14 |
| kimd | Or are my standards just low. | 21:14 |
| kimd | I mean, WebGUI 7 is definitely not perfect. | 21:14 |
| kimd | But I always had the impression the API is fairly clean. | 21:14 |
| @preaction | no, i want the Perl community to join us. They refuse, because we are not in line with the current set of Perl Best Practices | 21:14 |
| kimd | I see. | 21:14 |
| kimd | More purists ;-) | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, in a way, yes | 21:15 |
| +perlDreamer | but standards are good | 21:15 |
| @preaction | to be fair, you haven't had to rip the API apart to get what you want done. addArchive() in GalleryAlbum is just one exercise in how the API gets in your way | 21:15 |
| kimd | True. I have done only minor changes. | 21:15 |
| @preaction | you have to set aside a current tag, if any. prevent the new tag from being committed until you're done adding photos, and finally commit your new tag and replace the old tag | 21:15 |
| kimd | I imagine it can become very difficult. | 21:15 |
| @preaction | and that's just "add multiple child assets to an existing asset". sounds simple, no? | 21:16 |
| kimd | Well, let us hope for a much better WebGUI 8. | 21:16 |
| @preaction | there are no fewer than 5 major pitfalls the Random Joe Coder will fall into the first time they try it | 21:16 |
| kimd | Very simple. | 21:16 |
| @preaction | version tags being only part. parent asset's object cache is another fun one | 21:17 |
| kimd | But now you have solved it others can do cut & paste programming. | 21:17 |
| kimd | That is how I usually solve problems :-D | 21:17 |
| @preaction | requiring cut & paste programming is why RoR is derided as a horrible framework (and it is) | 21:17 |
| kimd | Ok. I will no longer argue with you. | 21:18 |
| kimd | What is RoR? | 21:18 |
| @preaction | Ruby on Rails | 21:18 |
| kimd | Ah. | 21:18 |
| kimd | Try to find the balance between rewriting the API and adding new features. | 21:18 |
| kimd | Otherwise, no one will enjoy your rewrite afterwards. | 21:19 |
| @preaction | well, the way i have it, the rewritten API and the existing API will exist side-by-side to allow for gradual migration of custom code | 21:19 |
| kimd | Sounds good. | 21:20 |
| kimd | I am looking forward to it. | 21:20 |
| @preaction | so am i. i haven't had the chance to work on it for months: http://github.com/preaction/modern-webgui | 21:21 |
| kimd | Insert less bugs ;-) | 21:21 |
| @preaction | that's the plan: everything's tested to start with | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | to be specific, modern-webgui is not WebGUI 8 | 21:21 |
| @preaction | yes, modern-webgui is my fancy-pants attempt at rewriting webgui | 21:21 |
| @preaction | personal, fancy-pants attempt | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | it's an attempt to rewrite WebGUI 7 using Moose, DBIx-Class, and other top-class modules | 21:22 |
| @preaction | not a PB-sponsored project (and probably never will be) | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | except for Catalyst | 21:22 |
| kimd | But, do you think there will be a community for modern-webgui? | 21:22 |
| @preaction | well, we reimplement cat | 21:22 |
| @preaction | no, it doesn't exist yet. it's only half-done | 21:23 |
| +perlDreamer | I think eventually that modern-webgui will converge with WebGUI 9 | 21:23 |
| kimd | Good luck with your project anyway. | 21:23 |
| @preaction | if i have my way, yes, 9 will converge with this project | 21:23 |
| @preaction | with more than a couple fundamental changes (since 8 introduces a lot of stuff I want but don't have in WebGUIx) | 21:23 |
| kimd | Enough dreaming. I will focus on RFE #620 again. That's all I can do at the moment. | 21:24 |
| kimd | I hope you will migrate to modern-webgui as well ;-) | 21:25 |
| kimd | Ah. Preaction, one more thing: | 21:27 |
| kimd | Do you know what Helmut Schmidt said about people having visions? | 21:27 |
| kimd | (Helmut Schmidt = well-known and admired former Chancellor of Germany) | 21:28 |
| @frodwith | People who have a vision should go see a doctor. | 21:28 |
| @bopbop | frodwith: you beat me to it! | 21:29 |
| @preaction | i'm working on it. gotta move to Madison first. better doctors there | 21:29 |
| kimd | Hey, who said that in the States? | 21:29 |
| kimd | I wasn't aware Helmut stole it from someone else. | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | Mathematicians who have visions should go to see doctors | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | People who have visions should learn how to make them come true | 21:31 |
| kimd | Something else: What does this mean "If configured for CDN, add deletion of this storage location to CDN queue."? | 21:34 |
| kimd | CDN? | 21:35 |
| @preaction | Content Delivery Network (google can tell you more) | 21:35 |
| kimd | Hm. I will ignore it for the moment. | 21:37 |
| kimd | Time for a glass of red wine. Anyone going to join? | 21:37 |
| @preaction | sorry, it's 2:00pm :( | 21:38 |
| kimd | preaction, it's never too late :-D | 21:39 |
| @preaction | too early you mean? | 21:40 |
| kimd | No, that was on purpose. But you totally missed my joke :-( | 21:41 |
| @preaction | sorry, been a long day already | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and it's not going to get any easier... | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | we have server moves to do tonight | 21:44 |
| @preaction | no, next week | 21:44 |
| kimd | Good luck! | 21:44 |
| @preaction | i gave two weeks' notice, not just one | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | cool! | 21:45 |
| +perlDreamer | I hate doing server moves with an upset stomach | 21:46 |
| kimd | I believe I encountered an error in the testing template. | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | What is it? | 21:47 |
| kimd | It contains a line 'use lib "$FindBin::Bin/lib";' which should actually be 'use lib "$FindBin::Bin/../lib";' | 21:48 |
| kimd | Can you confirm? | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, and no :) | 21:48 |
| @preaction | it has to be adjusted for every script | 21:48 |
| kimd | Ok. My fault then. | 21:48 |
| kimd | Add that to your changes in perfect-webgui. | 21:48 |
| @preaction | perhaps a note should go there at least? | 21:48 |
| kimd | Very good suggestion indeed. | 21:48 |
| +perlDreamer | I think Haarg is working on a way to make it happen | 21:48 |
| @preaction | well, the Perfect WebGUI would not require to be placed in /data/WebGUI | 21:49 |
| @preaction | and yes, i think that's in haarg's head right now | 21:49 |
| @Haarg | kind of | 21:49 |
| @Haarg | test scripts will always need to have something like that | 21:49 |
| @Haarg | FindBin is a shitty way to do it, but the alternative won't be any shorter | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we need something like blib | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | only called tlib | 21:49 |
| @preaction | i thought prove automatically added lib, blib, and t/lib? | 21:51 |
| * perlDreamer inserts standard disclaimer about running tests without prove | 21:51 | |
| +perlDreamer | and in various places in the test hierarchy | 21:52 |
| @preaction | well, i use wgd test, which uses App::Prove | 21:55 |
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| @Haarg | prove doesn't add anything automatically | 22:16 |
| @Haarg | it does have options for adding lib and or blib though | 22:17 |
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| @Haarg | a better version of that FindBin construct would probably be http://gist.github.com/363905 | 22:24 |
| @Haarg | but it's even longer and uglier | 22:25 |
| @preaction | eh, it means not having to edit it at all, so maybe... | 22:26 |
| @Haarg | well, it still has the same issue we have to deal with now. it's just more 'proper' and doesn't use the shitty FindBin module. | 22:31 |
| @Haarg | making something actually search up the directory tree is possible too. i could certainly stick something like that in if you though it was a good idea. | 22:32 |
| @preaction | something to make that error go away and never come back: it's not something that someone should have to deal with if they use the skeleton | 22:37 |
| @preaction | i mean, kimd is one of our main targets when it comes to community members. if he has a problem, many times it's something we should correct | 22:37 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/363924 | 22:44 |
| @preaction | yum. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | anyone else want a WebGUIx::Runnable like MooseX::Runnable? | 22:52 |
| @preaction | where is the setting to make TinyMCE use FileUrl macro instead of Image URLs? | 22:53 |
| @preaction | ahh. richEditorsUseAssetUrls | 22:53 |
| @preaction | why is that set to 1 by default? wtf | 22:53 |
| @Haarg | why not? | 22:57 |
| @Haarg | set to 0 by default means people's sites randomly break somewhere down the line for no apparent reason | 22:57 |
| @preaction | ah. fun. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | why don't we do something smart like use the FileURL macro instead? | 22:58 |
| @Haarg | because that would have to be filtered out on save, or the rich editor wouldn't be able to display the images inline | 22:59 |
| @preaction | yay. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | just. yay. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | if we were using a different rich editor, we might be able to post-filter macros and have WebGUI execute them and give us the content | 23:00 |
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| kimd | Sorry for interrupting. Anyone ever tried to access pixels directly with PerlMagick? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | no interruption: just ask / say whatever you need whenever you need | 23:04 |
| kimd | I tried "$image->GetAuthenticPixels( {x=>0, y=>0} )" | 23:04 |
| @preaction | there's usually three or four threads of conversation at any given time | 23:04 |
| @preaction | but no, i've never tried to get the color value of a certain pixel | 23:04 |
| kimd | But that results in Can't locate auto/Image/Magick/GetVirtualP.al in @INC (@INC contains: /data/WebGUI_kimd/t/Storage/../lib /data/WebGUI/lib /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.10.0 /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/i686-linux /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0 . /data/WebGUI_kimd/lib) at Rotate.pm line 55 | 23:04 |
| kimd | According to documentation the method name should be correct (check http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php). | 23:05 |
| kimd | Unfortunately, there is no example code. | 23:05 |
| @preaction | kimd: how about trying the GetPixel method instead? | 23:07 |
| @preaction | it's part of the top bit, different from the bottom bit. it looks like the bottom bit might not work on your system (or maybe anybody's system) | 23:08 |
| kimd | At least it doesn't produce an error upon compile time. | 23:09 |
| kimd | Let's see how far I can get with getPixel. Thanks for the hint. | 23:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | kimd, I think I do some work like that in the making a thumbnail checking code | 23:37 |
| kimd | I will check. Thanks. | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Macro/Thumbnail.t | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I used ->GetPixels | 23:38 |
| kimd | Now that mention it I got it to work. | 23:38 |
| kimd | Again you inspire me :-) | 23:38 |
| kimd | that you mention | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction, http://gist.github.com/363924 <== that's the tlib thing I was talking about | 23:39 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, you have that aura around you. | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | unfortunately, now you have to find tlib | 23:39 |
| kimd | Cool. Test test for WebGUI::Storage::rotate seems to work. | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, I hope that aura isn't the fact that I went running, and need a shower :/ | 23:44 |
| kimd | The test.. | 23:44 |
| kimd | Odor function is turned off on my computer at the moment. | 23:45 |
| kimd | I will enable an override that changes it to the smell of roses. | 23:45 |
| kimd | Acceptable? | 23:45 |
| kimd | Good night everyone! | 23:47 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, enjoy your shower. | 23:48 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, man :) | 23:48 |
| kimd | And thanks to everyone for helping me. | 23:48 |
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| @preaction | WTF of the day: 2010/04/12 -- Reimplementing join() http://gist.github.com/364000 | 00:11 |
| @Haarg | D: | 00:12 |
| @preaction | and now for some happy reason modperl refuses to restart | 00:17 |
| @Haarg | 'happy' | 00:17 |
| @preaction | it has to be a happy reason, because i am not. | 00:18 |
| @preaction | fine. kill dash nine it is. | 00:21 |
| @preaction | i should make a hip-hop group called the kill dash nine. | 00:21 |
| @preaction | wtf. i kill -9 and the site is STILL UP? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | ah, i didn't salt the earth afterward... | 00:27 |
| @preaction | ah. i see. orbital ion cannon. can't merely salt the earth or nuke it from orbit. need to lay waste to the planet. | 00:30 |
| @preaction | i love having to reboot a system to load new WebGUI code. | 00:30 |
| @Haarg | 'happy' indeed | 00:35 |
| @preaction | reboot didn't work: it's an old WRE, so if you kill -9 you have to remove the .pid lockfile or else apache will sit and spin until it's removed. | 00:35 |
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| @preaction | which, imho, if the process identified by the pid (a) does not exist and (b) is not the same program, the pid should be considered wrong and deleted OR the logfile should be notified "httpd is already running or delete the httpd.pid file" | 00:38 |
| @preaction | anyone happen to know how i can adjust a recurring transaction to point to a different user? | 00:55 |
| @preaction | or do i have to edit the database? | 00:56 |
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| SquOnk | Greetings! | 00:57 |
| @preaction | evening | 00:58 |
| SquOnk | I think I'm going to make it to the WUC | 00:58 |
| @preaction | awesome | 00:58 |
| SquOnk | My visa appointment is for aug 2nd (my b'day) | 00:58 |
| SquOnk | I wanted to submit a talk, but I rather wait until I'm sure :-) | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | I'm writing a Macro to "turn into e-book" | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | As in MOBI file for Kindle and similar toys. | 00:59 |
| SquOnk | Non-DRM e-book :-) | 01:00 |
| SquOnk | preaction: But my REAL mission is getting DBIx::Class and PostgreSQL support <g> | 01:00 |
| @preaction | i've got DBIx::Class started (7-style, but 8 isn't too much of a stretch) | 01:01 |
| @preaction | well, i say started, but that part of it works just fine | 01:01 |
| @preaction | it's the UI stuff i worked on that doesn't | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you have to edit the db | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no way to reassign anything in transactions | 01:04 |
| @preaction | yeah, i've been poking around to see how the whole thing's tied together | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, any objection to me turning your gist snippet into the world's worst CPAN module? | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | I promise not to mention your name in it | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | fine with me | 01:06 |
| @preaction | there are worse ones :p | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | although you'll want to use caller(1)[1] instead of __FILE__ | 01:06 |
| @preaction | though maybe ask #perl if they know of an existing implementation? | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | and technically that snippet isn't specific to tests at all | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | true | 01:09 |
| @Haarg | it might make sense for it to work like the blib module instead | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | searching upward for a 't' directory then adding t/lib | 01:10 |
| @Haarg | i don't know | 01:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if I'm going to call it tlib, then definitely, Haarg | 01:34 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * reb97a8d / (t/SQL.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): allow arbitrary subs to be added to test cleanup - http://bit.ly/94816s | 01:44 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, would this be useful? http://gist.github.com/364095 | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely, Haarg | 01:54 |
| +perlDreamer | for a second I thought you pulled out the sub stuff in favor of the SQL, but I see it's in addition to | 01:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r88e8fe7 / (t/SQL.t t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm): allow SQL statements to be added to test cleanup - http://bit.ly/cYnHyP | 01:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | how is the 7->8 merge coming? | 01:58 |
| @Haarg | haven't worked on it for a while | 01:58 |
| @Haarg | but i had up to 7.8.10 merged | 01:59 |
| @Haarg | it's becoming more and more of a problem though so i really need to get it done | 01:59 |
| @preaction | eh, i'm not on the hook for 7->8 merge. i'm on the hook for releasable/testable 8 | 02:00 |
| @preaction | MY PROBLEMS BECOME YOUR PROBLEMS, I AM MANAGER HEAR ME WHIMPER | 02:00 |
| +perlDreamer | we either do it now, or later, dudely-sir-type-persion | 02:02 |
| @preaction | i'd prefer later. we've got everyone working on tasks that require everyone else's tasks to be done | 02:03 |
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| xdanger | preaction: Just read your blog post and was wondering that doesn't using /uploads urls directly (withour FileUrl macro) break the versioning of the File assets? Doesn't every revision get a new storageId and a new /uploads url? | 16:27 |
| +bartjol | xdanger: if you use the fileurl macro that shouldn't happen | 16:29 |
| xdanger | I know | 16:29 |
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| xdanger | but the richtexteditor doesn't use it | 16:29 |
| +bartjol | wait, I'll have a better look at doug's post | 16:29 |
| +bartjol | aah, well, we might consider that buggy | 16:30 |
| SDuensin | Welcome to Tuesday. | 16:31 |
| +bartjol | buggy tuesday? | 16:31 |
| SDuensin | Not here! (For once!) | 16:31 |
| +bartjol | wat isn't, can still come | 16:32 |
| xdanger | couldn't the tinyMCE be modfied to include the fileUrl macro if "richEditorsUseAssetUrls" : 1 if set | 16:33 |
| xdanger | s/if set/is set/ | 16:33 |
| +bartjol | I suppose so | 16:33 |
| +bartjol | not sure how much trouble that is | 16:33 |
| xdanger | Or has this been done in newer versions, I'm runnign 7.6 still | 16:33 |
| +bartjol | I'm at 7.9.2, let me have a look | 16:34 |
| +bartjol | nope | 16:37 |
| xdanger | the link to asset tree adds ^/(url); | 16:37 |
| xdanger | that do breaks if someone changes the url | 16:37 |
| xdanger | it should be something like ^/(^Asset(url,assetId);); imho... | 16:38 |
| +bartjol | and the option which turns off asset url's does insert direct paths, so you are absolutely right | 16:40 |
| xdanger | but if you use ^FileUrl in tinyMCE the picture doesn't show in the editor, because the macro isn't being executed | 16:44 |
| +bartjol | ah, no, that won't happen, choices choices | 16:45 |
| xdanger | I was thinking that we should build a better frontside proxy for webgui, one that does internal redirects and caches them. Using something like varnish. That would be great | 16:45 |
| xdanger | Of cource inteligent frontside proxy breaks passive logging among other things | 16:46 |
| xdanger | but could be made to work =) | 16:47 |
| +bartjol | mmm, that utility script might be one of the better solutions. On saving an asset, the script is executed in that workflow | 16:49 |
| +bartjol | but maybe not | 16:50 |
| +bartjol | second time editing will get confusing | 16:50 |
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| @preaction | xdanger: as haarg pointed out to me, the FileUrl macro breaks the display in the TinyMCE. so we'd need a custom tinymce module | 17:26 |
| @preaction | there are two things to do: make that module, make it so files only create new uploads locations when a new file is uploaded (and only delete when nobody's using it anymore) | 17:26 |
| @steveo_aa | I'd like to discuss WebGUI cache control, specificaly the document meta tag control. | 17:27 |
| @steveo_aa | In core Cache-Control is set to content="no-cache" which only works part-time on browsers. | 17:28 |
| @steveo_aa | I'd suggest that content="no-store" for more widely recognized control. | 17:28 |
| @steveo_aa | Or some method for the style system to select which it desires. | 17:30 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym | 19:17 | |
| * perlDreamer wobbles back to the chair, and sinks into it gratefully | 20:41 | |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7390497 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change how the locked flag is displayed, so that it isn't inline with the content, but just above it. Fixes bug #11520 - http://bit.ly/d6PwDR | 20:56 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r55ceb57 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add missing template help for the WikiPage view template. - http://bit.ly/avA9SG | 20:56 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r640adde / (2 files in 2 dirs): Change how the locked flag is displayed, so that it isn't inline with the content, but just above it. Fixes bug #11520 - http://bit.ly/caIonA | 20:58 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r42c6714 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Add missing template help for the WikiPage view template. - http://bit.ly/blb87d | 20:58 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1395fcc / (5 files in 5 dirs): | 21:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Add RFE #10944, keyword pages. | 21:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Keyword pages are any page where the title is exactly the same as any keyword | 21:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: for any page in the wiki. Keyword pages work the same as any wiki page, but | 21:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: also may display a list of pages that are tagged with the keyword. - http://bit.ly/cNul1p | 21:07 |
| * patspam is watching the vienna perl qa workshop highlights package | 21:15 | |
| +patspam | we should totally do a multi-day hackathon like they did | 21:15 |
| +patspam | progress stand-up videos are a great idea too | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | not a bad idea | 21:20 |
| +perlDreamer | any idea for flagship projects? | 21:20 |
| +patspam | WebGUI::whateverExcitesMe | 21:24 |
| +perlDreamer | $patspam->enumerate_excitations; # Padre, Psgi, and other things with capital P | 21:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7fe8116 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Bug fixes, changes to default wikipage template for keyword pages, and template var clarifications. - http://bit.ly/cdsQ0H | 21:29 |
| +patspam | preaction's plans for post-wg8 | 21:29 |
| @Haarg | my next webgui 8 project (for off hours) is WebGUI::Command | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::Command? | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | is that like Missile Command? | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | basically, WGDev in core | 21:32 |
| +patspam | ooooh | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought there were license incompatibilities? | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | there are | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | but i can get over those | 21:32 |
| @Haarg | taking the existing sbin script and some of the WGDev commands and making them as core modules | 21:33 |
| @Haarg | probably build it with App::Cmd instead of what WGDev does | 21:33 |
| +patspam | or MooseX::App::Cmd? | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | since a lot of extra work WGDev does i already have or will be sticking in core in some fashion | 21:34 |
| @Haarg | possibly. i haven't looked extensively at the moose sugar for it. | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, would it be easy to repeat your benchmark data for to only compare 1 fetch for each branch? | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I think the huge difference is due to caching | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | then WGDev will instead be a set of plugins for WebGUI::Command targetted at developers | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | since parts of it won't make sense to include in core | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | like wgd build, dist, release-utilities | 21:35 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but wgd db should be standard everywhere | 21:36 |
| +patspam | yeah, I want all the wgdev wg-specific extra features available in core | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | and edit, package, ls | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe at the hackathon I could try and hack the AssetManager to use a shared menu | 21:36 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: what do you want to compare? master and WebGUI8? | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | like I said, I'm hoping the 30X speed difference is due to master caching, and WebGUI8 not | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | if it's really 30X slower, we've missed a major point of WebGUI8, which is performance | 21:37 |
| +patspam | or my benchmarks are not only unscientific but also broken | 21:38 |
| * perlDreamer thinks too highly of you for that | 21:38 | |
| @Haarg | there are other things in webgui 8 that could be slowing it down that may be really easy to deal with | 21:38 |
| +perlDreamer | meta mutability? | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | and we could easily do more internal caching of some of that stuff | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | or things like ->get may be really slow but easy to fix by having it more lax | 21:39 |
| @Haarg | would have to profile it some | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I purged most of the get methods out of WebGUI 8 | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:40 |
| +perlDreamer | which likely contributed to a lot of your merge issues | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | yes :) | 21:40 |
| * perlDreamer adds a note to send Haarg something baked | 21:40 | |
| @Haarg | whitespace cleanups were the most annoying bit | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | but stuff like %{ $self->get } for template variables is still used | 21:40 |
| @Haarg | and that's on display, where we care more about perf | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | compared to ->update etc | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, but there's no easy way around that (yet) | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:41 |
| @Haarg | but the built in meta-immutability would help | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe preaction is close to the Cache::CHI integration | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | and the list of things to include in ->get could be computed at immutable time as well | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | or, TT style objects | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | although that's a tricky one | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | we can't just stick the objects in there | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | we would still need to have a list of acceptable methods | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | and a proxy object | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | definitely | 21:43 |
| @Haarg | so there are plenty of places to look for perf once we have a handle on how slow it actually is | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | and checking in a profiler will go a long way | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam that with Plack that using Devel::NYTProf is easy | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | it's pretty easy with Apache as well | 21:44 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: with caching turned off, master runs at about the same speed as WebGUI8 | 21:50 |
| +patspam | but I don't know how to turn off caching for WebGUI8 | 21:50 |
| +patspam | so that's comparing master-no-cache vs. WebGUI-with-cache | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe that is handled for you, as it seems to be currently broken | 21:51 |
| +patspam | heh, it's a feature? | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | uh... | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | YES! | 21:51 |
| +patspam | ha well that's interesting | 21:52 |
| +patspam | if I stop memcached on my server, WebGUI8's benchmarks don't change | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | that is interesting, I couldn't get much in wg8 to work without memcached being started | 21:53 |
| @Haarg | of all of the things i would like to change about webgui, i think not using inline pod is at the top of my list | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | not higher test coverage? | 21:54 |
| +perlDreamer | not different version control? | 21:54 |
| +patspam | Haarg: have you tried Dist::Zilla? I'm loving how much boilerplate I can just delete from distros, including POD boilerplate | 21:54 |
| @Haarg | i messed with it a bit for wgdev but it annoyed me in a few ways and has just about no documentation | 21:55 |
| +patspam | rjbs has been doing a lot of work on it recently for his TPF grant | 21:55 |
| @Haarg | yeah, i've been reading the blog posts | 21:55 |
| +patspam | documentation is still the last major remaining thing, definitely | 21:55 |
| +patspam | but I love deleting all the cruft | 21:56 |
| @preaction | Haarg, perlDreamer: I was talking with frodwith quite a bit about how to implement TT as easily as possible. one of the solutions thrown out was a ::Template internal package that could prevent access to any "bad" methods | 21:56 |
| @preaction | with the default ::Template package changing all mutators into simple accessors | 21:56 |
| @preaction | but there are probably plenty of ways to do so | 21:57 |
| +patspam | oh boy! | 21:59 |
| +patspam | 400 req/sec with WebGUI8! | 21:59 |
| +patspam | all I had to do was remove the socket option from cacheServers in the site conf | 22:00 |
| @preaction | using Plack's dev server? | 22:00 |
| +patspam | no, using WebGUI8 branch | 22:00 |
| +patspam | hold your breath, I'll try plack | 22:00 |
| @preaction | so WebGUI8 branch and Apache? | 22:00 |
| +patspam | yep | 22:00 |
| @preaction | nice | 22:00 |
| +patspam | e.g. same as master | 22:00 |
| +patspam | prior to that I was getting 30 req/sec | 22:01 |
| @preaction | i'd like to see how Plack's FastCGI and nginx frontend perform | 22:01 |
| @preaction | cacheServers? oh. right. memcached isn't out of there yet. | 22:01 |
| +patspam | I was playing with that the other day | 22:01 |
| +patspam | took me about 15 minutes to deploy webgui under nginx | 22:01 |
| +patspam | and that was because I'd never used nginx before | 22:01 |
| @preaction | nice | 22:02 |
| @preaction | i'm doing an nginx install right now for a round-robin load balancer | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the status on CHI integration for wg8? | 22:06 |
| @preaction | nothing. i've got stuff doing, you've got stuff doing, and graham's got stuff doing | 22:06 |
| @Haarg | what needs to be done for that? it seems like it should be pretty simple, since the majority of the work has already been done. | 22:07 |
| @preaction | just gotta take out WebGUI::Cache, add a cache : { ... } key to the config file, pass that directly to a new CHI object, created and returned by $session->cache | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | just time and testing? | 22:08 |
| @preaction | unless someone can convince me otherwise, i don't want any wrappers around the CHI wrapper | 22:08 |
| @preaction | basically | 22:08 |
| @Haarg | i don't see any good reason to add a wrapper. | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | CHI itself _is_ a wrapper around multiple interface, isn't it? | 22:09 |
| @preaction | CHI is like DBI for caching | 22:09 |
| @Haarg | i'm very close to having WebGUI::SQL be a subclass of DBI too. | 22:10 |
| @preaction | which is step one in getting it the frack out | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 22:10 |
| * perlDreamer is going to step out for a bit, and think about how to avoid infinite loops in hierarchial wiki page keywords | 22:10 | |
| @Haarg | everything is working except the logging | 22:10 |
| @Haarg | well, technically that is working too | 22:11 |
| @Haarg | but it's a bad solution | 22:11 |
| @Haarg | relies on the internals of DBD::mysql | 22:11 |
| @preaction | i don't mind bad solutions if they lead to good ones and are well-documented as "DIS BE BAD" | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | well, wrapping is probably a better solution | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | or we could go with DBIx::Log4perl | 22:12 |
| @Haarg | which does the same thing i'm doing but more extensive/configurable | 22:13 |
| @preaction | rats, but that keeps us tied to log4perl. which one of these days i'd like to benchmark | 22:13 |
| @preaction | eh, if it works it works | 22:19 |
| +patspam | psgi branch mostly decouples webgui from log4perl | 22:23 |
| @preaction | yay! | 22:28 |
| @preaction | patspam: how's that's going btw? any chance of merging in the next 6-8 weeks? | 22:30 |
| +patspam | preaction: it could be merged now really | 22:57 |
| @preaction | then i guess i'll try it. does testEnvironment.pl have the new deps? does any config file need to be changed? | 22:58 |
| +patspam | the main thing left to do is to go through WebGUI::Session::Http and mark everything as deprecated and find equivalent methods in Plack::Request/Response | 22:59 |
| @preaction | awesome. awesome to the max | 22:59 |
| +patspam | i just started adding tests | 22:59 |
| +patspam | using Plack::Test | 22:59 |
| +patspam | I should probably do one or two more commits before you merge | 22:59 |
| +patspam | there are lots of little design decisions I've made along the way that could easily be changed if people have different ideas | 23:00 |
| +patspam | I'm looking forward to merging it in with Haarg's WebGUI::Paths thing too, that would be beneficial | 23:01 |
| @preaction | okay. i've got to merge the master->8 merged branch too, so no worries | 23:01 |
| +patspam | I've refactored it so that WebGUI::Config is per-app, not per-request | 23:02 |
| +patspam | it's really nice to be able to do that.. separate out the per-request and the app-static stuff | 23:03 |
| @preaction | indeed | 23:04 |
| +patspam | Log4perl is just another middleware | 23:05 |
| +patspam | I've moved Session opening/closing into an outer layer middleware too, so that any wg middleware you insert between that outer layer and the wg app itself has the open session at its disposal | 23:06 |
| +patspam | and webgui doesn't need to worry about calling $session->close() anywhere | 23:06 |
| +patspam | because it gets closed automatically on the way out through the middleware onion layers | 23:07 |
| +patspam | there a lots of other little extras too | 23:08 |
| +patspam | exceptions get converted into http error codes | 23:08 |
| @preaction | yeah, that's how i want Content and URL handlers handled: as middleware, which will happen eventually | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i want to decimate the WG codebase | 23:08 |
| +patspam | http error codes can be mapped to custom error docs, etc.. | 23:08 |
| @preaction | nice | 23:09 |
| +patspam | url handlers have been decimated | 23:09 |
| +patspam | they're really simple to convert to middleware | 23:10 |
| +patspam | I enabled Plack::Middleware::Debug a few days ago, that one is really nice | 23:11 |
| @preaction | i saw the screens, looks very nice | 23:11 |
| +patspam | should be really simple to turn wG's debug output into a plugin for that | 23:11 |
| +patspam | much more sexy that appending it to the end of the html doc | 23:11 |
| @preaction | indeed. and fewer problems | 23:11 |
| +patspam | there will be lots of rough edges, but everything seems solvable at this point | 23:12 |
| +patspam | moving cookie handling to middleware looks interesting too, I haven't investigated that yet | 23:13 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, how useful is the DBI trace panel in Plack::Middleware::Debug? | 23:26 |
| +patspam | to be honest I haven't played with it yet | 23:26 |
| +patspam | too many shiny toys, too little time | 23:26 |
| @Haarg | i'm just wondering if there is even a reason to have WebGUI::SQL log anything | 23:27 |
| +patspam | yeah true! | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | sql logging is certainly useful in the inline debug, but i've never wanted to actually log it | 23:27 |
| +patspam | I can't wait till we get the psgi branch rolled in and you guys start playing with it, so many low-hanging fruit | 23:28 |
| @preaction | right! but you just told me not to :( | 23:29 |
| +patspam | hehe | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | based on what i've seen though, the output from DBI->trace is of questionable utility | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | it has the needed information, but the formatting is not exactly friendly | 23:29 |
| +patspam | we could fix that | 23:29 |
| @Haarg | preaction, thoughts on that? | 23:30 |
| +patspam | currently the plugin just dumps the output of DBI->trace | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | do we even want logging information from SQL queries ever or do we only care about it in the inline debug? | 23:30 |
| @preaction | looking at it, it sounds like if we could take the Trace level 2 and reformat it into Plack::Middleware::Debug to make it nice | 23:30 |
| @Haarg | DBD::mysql tracing is relatively easy to reformat to be friendly | 23:31 |
| @Haarg | built in DBI stuff less so | 23:31 |
| @preaction | since we're working more closely with the major players in Perl, we're gonna have to start getting dirty with patches | 23:31 |
| +patspam | the source for the plugin is here: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/MIYAGAWA/Plack-Middleware-Debug-0.07/lib/Plack/Middleware/Debug/DBITrace.pm | 23:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop dbi-subclass * r174d438 / lib/WebGUI/SQL/Trace.pm : skip more classes in DBI tracing - http://bit.ly/93JKnj | 23:32 |
| @preaction | looks like we could make our own debug panel if it comes down to it | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/haarg/webgui/blob/dbi-subclass/lib/WebGUI/SQL/Trace.pm | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | and http://github.com/haarg/webgui/blob/dbi-subclass/lib/WebGUI/SQL.pm#L843 | 23:33 |
| @Haarg | that only works for DBD::mysql though. i haven't really gotten anywhere with just the output from DBI core. | 23:34 |
| @Haarg | but the filtering process is relatively straightforward at least | 23:35 |
| @preaction | it's just debug info. i mean, if we can squeak out more performance and cleaner code, it's worth it | 23:36 |
| @preaction | otherwise, that looks fine for now. we can always remove it in favor of a custom (or future) Plack::M::Debug | 23:36 |
| +patspam | preaction: is there a deliberate push to try to integrate more with the perl community? | 23:37 |
| @preaction | that's my goal, yes | 23:38 |
| +patspam | preaction++ # love it | 23:38 |
| @preaction | it's a whole huge group of advocates that so far has remained untapped | 23:38 |
| @preaction | (or worse, actively against us) | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | more like passively against us | 23:38 |
| +perlDreamer | won't even look at wG because you have to write SQL and accessors | 23:39 |
| +perlDreamer | grrr | 23:39 |
| @Haarg | they often don't get that far | 23:39 |
| +patspam | when I was at YAPC::EU 2008 most people hadn't even heard of webgui | 23:39 |
| @preaction | the knowledge they use in their other, everyday perl does not apply to webgui (except for syntax) | 23:40 |
| @Haarg | they see things like WebGUI::SQL and think we've re-invented an ORM when in fact we don't have anything that nice | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI::SQL would be a great name for an ORM | 23:40 |
| @preaction | not imho. DBIx::Class is a better name for an ORM | 23:40 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't that already taken? | 23:43 |
| @preaction | hmm... it IS! why don't we just use that? | 23:44 |
| +perlDreamer | the guy in charge of wg8 development won't let us use it yet | 23:44 |
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| @preaction | that jerk. the guy in charge of him should let him adjust timelines and priorities to put it in | 23:44 |
| * perlDreamer feels the need to iron his hands | 23:45 | |
| +patspam | well kudos to everyone behind the new direction, it's really awesome | 23:45 |
| * mech422 wonders why one would iron their hands ? wrinkles ? too long in the pool ? | 23:46 | |
| @preaction | we're trying. more to come, provided i can stay in charge | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, ask dobby | 23:47 |
| mech422 | were you a naughty house gnome ? | 23:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to go pick up the kids, back in 30 | 00:03 |
| +patspam | psgi branch is currently getting 370 req/sec | 00:05 |
| +patspam | c.f. 430/sec for WebGUI8 branch | 00:06 |
| +patspam | c.f. 430/sec for 7.9 master branch | 00:06 |
| @preaction | well, it's good that 8 isn't slower than 7 | 00:08 |
| +patspam | for the front page at least | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | -15% isn't too shabby at all | 00:33 |
| @preaction | what with the opening for more performance enhancement than ever before? | 01:00 |
| @preaction | plus, master has caching. 8 does not (at least, it doesn't work) | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | not sure, but I'm guessing that the 7.9 numbers are cacheless | 01:03 |
| @preaction | hmm... just saw the 5.12 deltas. should we try to target that instead? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:06 |
| @Haarg | patspam: http://gist.github.com/365178 | 01:19 |
| @Haarg | needs more stuff but seems like a good replacement for the thing we do now | 01:20 |
| +patspam | sweet as! | 01:20 |
| +patspam | I'm tweaking the logging stuff right now, trying to get it right | 01:20 |
| +patspam | that debug plugin will slot in perfectly | 01:21 |
| +patspam | I'm using the Log4perl middleware so that people can choose to use something else for logging if they like | 01:22 |
| +patspam | but have to still accommodate webgui being called outside a web context | 01:22 |
| +patspam | not sure what would be the elegant way to handle that in WebGUI::Session::ErrorHandler.. right now I'm getting it to fall-back to Log4perl | 01:22 |
| @preaction | that's fine for now | 01:28 |
| @preaction | but in the future i don't know if we should put messages in the log when running a utility script or otherwise. it's just another place to have to look when something goes wrong | 01:28 |
| +perlDreamer | where else would they go? | 01:29 |
| +patspam | yeah, in general this will make use be more clear about the differences between web and non-web contexts | 01:29 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: STDERR | 01:29 |
| +patspam | STDERR might be more appr.. yeah | 01:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that's not going to make testing more friendly, if there are 1e8 extra logging messages showing up | 01:29 |
| +patspam | testing can install its own logger | 01:30 |
| @preaction | it would be configurable | 01:30 |
| @preaction | or that too | 01:30 |
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| elnino_laptop | hi al! | 01:41 |
| elnino_laptop | s/al/all | 01:41 |
| elnino_laptop | =) | 01:41 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, elnino_laptop | 01:56 |
| +perlDreamer | should we call you betty? | 01:56 |
| elnino_laptop | you know here? | 02:01 |
| elnino_laptop | s/here/her? | 02:01 |
| elnino_laptop | I think I"m missing the reference. | 02:02 |
| elnino_laptop | I"m related to a betty. | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | Well, I figured if you called us Al, we should call you Betty. | 02:04 |
| elnino_laptop | ah | 02:04 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r7ef963e / (5 files in 4 dirs): Logging fallback - http://bit.ly/cqwqHc | 02:33 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r82ce333 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added tests for WebGUI PSGI app exceptions - http://bit.ly/cDHi6C | 02:33 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * rb1ab828 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Added WebGUI::Middleware::WGAccess for .wgaccess-aware static serving on dev servers - http://bit.ly/cYKE1X | 02:33 |
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| @preaction | Haarg: can you think of any reason i shouldn't just delete the webgui-8.0-merge branch? | 03:23 |
| @Haarg | as long as it looks fine to stick it in WebGUI8, i see no reason to keep it | 03:23 |
| @preaction | the merge with 8 went fine. i didn't run any tests, but i'm not sure at all what works and what don't | 03:24 |
| @Haarg | yeah, that's why i was deferring to perlDreamer. i'm not certain what tests to expect failures on. | 03:24 |
| @preaction | well, either way we don't need the branch itself anymore now that it's merged | 03:25 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 03:25 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r531bf55 / (858 files in 244 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/cMupuR | 03:25 |
| @preaction | patspam: i noticed you did one or two more commits, any objections to me merging psgi into mainline 8? | 03:28 |
| +patspam | is it ok if it breaks stuff? | 03:29 |
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| @preaction | sure, provided other work can continue. you can view an asset i assume? | 03:32 |
| @preaction | www_* methods work? | 03:32 |
| @preaction | otherwise we could merge 8 into psgi, see how things work, and if everything's good merge psgi back into 8 | 03:34 |
| @preaction | if that even works | 03:34 |
| +patspam | I haven't tested much beyond viewing the front page | 03:44 |
| @preaction | ah. then we shall wait for now | 03:47 |
| @preaction | but soon... very soon... | 03:47 |
| * preaction wrings hands menacingly | 03:48 | |
| +patspam | haarg: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4519587704/sizes/l/ | 03:58 |
| @Haarg | heh | 03:59 |
| @Haarg | i'm working on basically the same thing | 03:59 |
| +patspam | I stole your gist | 03:59 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r2d7c8e6 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Adds Plack::Middleware::Debug::WgLogger - http://bit.ly/997uYo | 04:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop simple-logging * r6dde072 / (3 files in 3 dirs): remove webgui specific dbi tracing code, simplify errorhandler - http://bit.ly/bPxMpu | 04:03 |
| @Haarg | patspam, http://github.com/haarg/webgui/tree/simple-logging | 04:03 |
| @Haarg | combination of making WebGUI::SQL a DBI subclass, and adding a logging and MySQL trace middleware | 04:04 |
| @Haarg | removes sql from normal logging stuff | 04:05 |
| @Haarg | i made the log messages show per severity like the current webgui debug stuff | 04:05 |
| @Haarg | but now that i think about it that probably isn't a great idea | 04:06 |
| @Haarg | i also submitted a patch to Plack::Middleware::Log4perl to have it increment $caller_depth by one so we only have to care about out own stuff | 04:07 |
| @Haarg | one thing i had to do to get the logging working correctly was change how ErrorHandler calculated its logger | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | in a rather nasty way | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | but otherwise it doesn't pick up on the change to the psgix.logger properly | 04:08 |
| @Haarg | given that this moves all the inline debug stuff out of errorhandler, it doesn't make much sense to have the ip/setting checks in there | 04:09 |
| @Haarg | and if i move that i may be able to undo the change i made to the logger init | 04:10 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r9b4e67b / (lib/WebGUI.pm lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm): Removed showDebug() in favour of new logger panel - http://bit.ly/9AAYK4 | 04:17 |
| +patspam | great, you would have seen that I left the $Log::Log4perl::caller_depth munging in ErrorHandler for now | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 04:23 |
| +patspam | but I'd love to get rid of it so that we can decouple completely from Log4perl | 04:23 |
| @Haarg | in that simple-logging branch i changed it to use gotos | 04:24 |
| @Haarg | so that eliminates the wrapper level for any logger backend | 04:24 |
| +patspam | nice | 04:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r998a3ce / t/Asset/Asset.t : Update tests to go with the code that I removed from Asset.pm - http://bit.ly/c8HeOj | 04:25 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, ping | 04:46 |
| @preaction | woohoo! navigation inside the ?op=admin iframe works | 04:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop simple-logging * r092d9dc / (3 files in 3 dirs): clean up debug logger - http://bit.ly/bzu82r | 04:46 |
| @Haarg | preaction, this is what i have in simple-logging right now http://haarg.org/sql-trace.png http://haarg.org/logger.png | 05:27 |
| @preaction | looks great! much much much much better than what we used to has | 05:28 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 05:29 |
| @Haarg | the best part being that the code is much simpler | 05:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | ladies and gentlemen, as we prepare for the release of WebGUI 7.8.17, please commit all pending code | 06:40 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rf6ee94e / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.17 release - http://bit.ly/aLPirQ | 06:52 |
| * preaction seat back and tray table are in their full up-right-and-locked position | 06:57 | |
| elnino_laptop | weeee! | 06:58 |
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| elnino_laptop | have fun - bye. | 06:59 |
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| +perlDreamer | this is just a little bit of turbulence folks | 07:04 |
| @preaction | WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEEE | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | the pilot will adjust the number of demosites and the upgrade will proceed apace | 07:05 |
| +perlDreamer | thank you all for flying perlDreamer Airlines, flight 815 from Madison to Portland | 07:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r2190a77 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.18 development. - http://bit.ly/d6K0Gp | 07:28 |
| +perlDreamer | we hope that you enjoyed your upgrade, and that you'll choose perlDreamer Airlines for your future WebGUI support and development | 07:28 |
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| lingon | Hi | 14:12 |
| lingon | Does anybody here know how to handle subdomains / prefix to domains with webgui? | 14:13 |
| +bartjol | you want a subdomain with another root? | 14:35 |
| +bartjol | or is a redirect to /something ok? | 14:35 |
| lingon | good question as somewhat of a beginner I am not entirely sure of the difference | 14:37 |
| lingon | my thought was to have something.com and then have multiple other anna.something.com / arne.something.com | 14:38 |
| lingon | It would be best if it was not a redirect to something.com/anna | 14:39 |
| +bartjol | well, that is a matter of setting apache | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | but | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | not sure, because mostly in one site you have only one root | 14:40 |
| lingon | ok | 14:40 |
| +bartjol | so multiple subdomains with references to another URI is not a problem | 14:41 |
| +bartjol | but to let them finish at / is another problem | 14:41 |
| +bartjol | I have the apache rewrite rules for the first part | 14:42 |
| lingon | does ending at / imply multiple roots? | 14:42 |
| +bartjol | I'm afraid so | 14:42 |
| +bartjol | http://webgui.pastebin.com/pDR2PEsA | 14:44 |
| lingon | It sounds like there is a downside to multiple roots. Does it complicate everything a lot? | 14:44 |
| +bartjol | the /root/anna can be changed to whatever you want | 14:44 |
| +bartjol | I never dived that far into it, but as far as I can see, it complicated matters quite a bit | 14:45 |
| +bartjol | mmm, maybe you can setup different multiple hosts in your apache conf | 14:47 |
| +bartjol | and with hosts I mean VirtualHost | 14:48 |
| lingon | yes, perhaps | 14:48 |
| +bartjol | but I never tried something like it | 14:49 |
| +bartjol | doubting whether that would work | 14:49 |
| +bartjol | because you can send it to othe locations, but you do need the same documenst | 14:50 |
| +bartjol | and it gets redirected to modperl anyway | 14:51 |
| lingon | what happens if I duplicate the root>home asset and rename it to root>anna? | 14:51 |
| +bartjol | root/home has thhe URI /home | 14:52 |
| +bartjol | so you would get /anna | 14:52 |
| lingon | ok | 14:52 |
| +bartjol | maybe it is possible to cover up the /anna bit, but you'll have to read some documentation for that | 14:53 |
| lingon | well, reading some documentation has never hurt anyone | 14:54 |
| lingon | do you have something perticular in mind? | 14:57 |
| +bartjol | this might be a start: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | oh, that is 1.2, you'll need 2.x | 14:58 |
| +bartjol | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_rewrite.html | 14:59 |
| +bartjol | But I do not assure garanty and you might not get it better than my pastbin post | 15:00 |
| lingon | have I understood it corectly if I think that the pastebin post does this: | 15:02 |
| lingon | a request for anna.domain.com is serverd by /anna | 15:03 |
| +bartjol | serverd? | 15:03 |
| lingon | served | 15:03 |
| +bartjol | any URL that starts with anna.domain.com is redirected to /anna unless you are already at /anna | 15:04 |
| lingon | ok, that was what I was trying to explain :) | 15:04 |
| +bartjol | in other words | 15:04 |
| lingon | it apparently did not go that well :) | 15:05 |
| +bartjol | so I thought you understood corretcly :) | 15:05 |
| +bartjol | but wasn't sure by the word served | 15:05 |
| +bartjol | it rewrites the request | 15:05 |
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| lingon | what will it say in the addressbar of the browser? Will it go to /anna | 15:06 |
| lingon | ok | 15:06 |
| +bartjol | I think it will show: http://anna.domain.com/anna | 15:06 |
| +bartjol | yes, look at http://eelco.gizzing.nl | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | it are those rewrite rules | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | ... | 15:07 |
| +bartjol | terrific Dunglish again | 15:08 |
| lingon | well that is perhaps reasonable and acceptable if the root part is not included | 15:08 |
| lingon | and if the rewrite rules work as on the original site where for example root>home> site map is shown as /site_map | 15:10 |
| +bartjol | well that is not a problem, but if you go to anna.domain.com/site_map you might be rewritten to anna.domain.com/anna/site_map | 15:11 |
| +bartjol | but with or without www, you are fine | 15:12 |
| lingon | ok, I see your point | 15:12 |
| lingon | to always have the /anna/ part is to complicate the address for the user a bit to much | 15:13 |
| +bartjol | wait, I can test that | 15:14 |
| +bartjol | nope, it does not do that | 15:15 |
| +bartjol | it depends on your rewite conditions, apparently, I got that right | 15:16 |
| +bartjol | but it is a while ago that I wrote those | 15:16 |
| lingon | ok | 15:17 |
| +bartjol | so I did not remember whether I took notice of that effect at the moment | 15:18 |
| lingon | no problem | 15:19 |
| lingon | but just so that I have understood correctly. The rewrite conditions and rules should be placed in the domain.modproxy conf file | 15:20 |
| lingon | do I have to change anything in my /etc/hosts as well? | 15:21 |
| +bartjol | yes, you'll have to modify that conf file | 15:22 |
| +bartjol | maybe explicitly mention the other hostnames | 15:22 |
| lingon | I had to change the last line in your example. RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /root/anna$1 [R=301,L] to RewriteRule ^(.*)$ /anna$1 [R=301,L] so that it pointed corectly | 15:34 |
| lingon | thank you for your help | 15:35 |
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| +bartjol | ah, ok | 15:52 |
| +bartjol | very nice | 15:52 |
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| lingon | It is a nice and simple solution but .... the more I think about it in general and in terms of scalability and without really knowing the issues a multiple root solution seems better. | 16:00 |
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| lingon | it might be hard to convince people that http://anna.domain.com/anna is much better than http://www.domain.com/anna | 16:05 |
| +bartjol | well, Idon't know thepeople you're working with :) | 16:06 |
| lingon | You know, the usual lot. Those with a lot of opinions and no money. | 16:14 |
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| +bartjol | lingon: aah, the "I want it yesterday, for free and more of it"-type | 16:39 |
| lingon | yes, something along those general lines | 16:40 |
| +bartjol | typical | 16:41 |
| +bartjol | we have a customer, SDH consulting, they are like that ;) | 16:41 |
| +bartjol | no, patspam is a nice customer | 16:42 |
| * patspam ruffles bartjol's hair | 16:43 | |
| +MrHairgrease | now patspam has to wash his hands... | 16:43 |
| +bartjol | nope, just washed it today | 16:44 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings! | 16:51 |
| +patspam | I'm surprised there isn't an RFE for Inbox attachments | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | maybe it wasnt attached | 17:07 |
| * SDuensin rushes off to add one! | 17:07 | |
| +MrHairgrease | har har har | 17:07 |
| +patspam | MrHairgrease will be here all week | 17:13 |
| +patspam | make sure you buy a drink from the bar | 17:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | wher will I be? | 17:13 |
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| +MrHairgrease | patspam: okay! | 17:13 |
| @Haarg | patspam: in my simple-logging branch, i have Plack::Middleware::Debug::(Logging|MySQLTrace). they don't really depend on webgui at all so it would probably make sense to make them CPAN modules. ::Logging is basically the same as your ::WgLogger, but removes the hack for the errorhandler. i moved some of the code into Middleware::Session so it isn't needed. | 17:17 |
| +patspam | sweet | 17:17 |
| +patspam | cpan it! | 17:17 |
| @Haarg | also, ::Debug plugins are really just middleware, so they could be named WebGUI:: etc | 17:18 |
| @Haarg | they just wouldn't be able to be loaded with the 'panels' param, | 17:18 |
| +patspam | yeah | 17:18 |
| +patspam | I was planning on patching that so that it uses Plack::Util::load | 17:18 |
| +patspam | which allows for '+My::Namespace' | 17:18 |
| @Haarg | and my log4perl change is in the latest Plack release | 17:19 |
| +patspam | well, it actually *does* use that already, but it forcibly adds 'Debug::' at the front ;) | 17:19 |
| @Haarg | heh | 17:19 |
| +patspam | sweeeeeet | 17:19 |
| +patspam | the caller depth thing? | 17:19 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:19 |
| +patspam | Haarg++ | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | so now i just have to fix performance indicators and my simple-logging should be as ready for merge into psgi | 17:20 |
| @Haarg | s/ as// | 17:20 |
| +patspam | cool, feel free to merge it whenever you're ready | 17:21 |
| +patspam | I'm keen to get psgi merged into WebGUI8 as soon as possible | 17:22 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 17:22 |
| +patspam | how many people are hacking on WebGUI8 atm? | 17:22 |
| +patspam | we'll need to give people a heads-up on how to run psgi apps via plackup | 17:22 |
| @Haarg | preaction, perlDreamer, you, me | 17:22 |
| +patspam | ok, that's a non-issue then ;) | 17:23 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 17:25 |
| @Haarg | i wonder if it might be good to rip out the current performance indicators and make them into a Debug panel instead | 17:25 |
| +patspam | seems reasonable | 17:25 |
| @Haarg | it stuffs them inline in the page currently, which helps you see what asset they are related to | 17:25 |
| +MrHairgrease | are the performance indicaters actually being used? | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | especially now tht we have NYTProf | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | it helps you debug on a different level | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | but iirc it is some sort of profiler right? | 17:26 |
| @Haarg | like to see about navigations that are problematic. and you can turn them on and off without dealing with the server side. | 17:26 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | we have two performance profiler things | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah that's true | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | one of them - the sub level one - is gone | 17:27 |
| @Haarg | but for content, the performance indicators are useful | 17:27 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh, didn;t know that. I only knew the sub level thing | 17:28 |
| +MrHairgrease | I guess I've been out of the loop for too long... | 17:28 |
| @Haarg | i think it makes more sense as a debug panel though. it could have links each asset and could even be made sortable or something eventually. | 17:29 |
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| ckotil | "Anticipating what could be a very long wait for Perl 6, the Perl 5 developers have overhauled the date functions in 5.12 so that it can handle dates that are further in the future than 2038." | 18:14 |
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| +perlDreamer | Perl 6 is like popcorn popping | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | the last kernel will never pop | 18:26 |
| +perlDreamer | but you can still enjoy what's there | 18:26 |
| ckotil | nice | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | and, since they're backporting tons of it to Perl 5, you can enjoy it now | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | the smart match operator, the native switch statement (given/when), regexp enhancements, MRO choice/plugins, the "say" statement | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | those are all influenced by Perl 6 | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so are things like Moose | 18:38 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: I installed perl 5.12.0 via perlbrew last night to try it out with wg | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | how did it go? | 18:41 |
| +patspam | first I made this cpan package to simplify installing all the dependencies | 18:42 |
| +patspam | http://search.cpan.org/~pdonelan/Task-WebGUI-1.101040/lib/Task/WebGUI.pm | 18:42 |
| +patspam | (see: http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/PDONELAN/Task-WebGUI-1.101040/dist.ini) | 18:42 |
| +patspam | I'm just trying to track down what ubuntu dev packages I need to install to allow PerlMagick to build | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | is this WebGUI8, or 7.9? | 18:44 |
| +patspam | psgi :) | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, that's a modified, and much desired, WebGUI8 | 18:45 |
| +patspam | yeah - did you see the new debug panels haarg added last night? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 18:46 |
| +patspam | http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4519587704/ | 18:46 |
| +patspam | we're writing plugins for Plack's 'Debug' middleware | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | cpan question for you gurus | 18:47 |
| +patspam | see also http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4505694655/ | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I like it! | 18:47 |
| +patspam | yeah it's really nice | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | how do you determine what version of a dependency you need | 18:47 |
| +patspam | only appears when debug mode is on | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | eg. in http://github.com/martink/moosex-slaveattribute/blob/master/dist.ini | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't suppose there's good CLI access for that? | 18:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | I now have Moose = 0 | 18:47 |
| +patspam | and very pluggable | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | the debug panel looks nice btw! | 18:48 |
| +patspam | MrHairgrease: you're using dzil? yay! | 18:48 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, it's probably best to set that to the version of Moose that you used to develop it | 18:48 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, yeah well that's the most recent most of the time | 18:49 |
| +MrHairgrease | I tend to update a lot | 18:49 |
| @Haarg | http://haarg.org/logger.png http://haarg.org/sql-trace.png http://haarg.org/perf-log.png | 18:50 |
| +patspam | mmmmm | 18:50 |
| +patspam | tasty | 18:50 |
| +MrHairgrease | patspam: yeah, I have two cpan things in the works, and I ended up using those to try out new perl stuff | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | dzil is one of em | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | why haven't we done this earlier? patspam, you need to be more outspoken! | 18:51 |
| +perlDreamer | either that, or we need to be less resistant to change | 18:51 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice! | 18:51 |
| @Haarg | with that performance panel, it removes the need for the performance indicators setting. it can just always be on. | 18:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, WebGUI8 merge has what looks like only a few boogers. Probably won't take longer than a few hours to resolve them | 18:52 |
| @Haarg | cool | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | this is what I'm using to run base asset tests now: perl run_asset.t > ran 2>&1 | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and !?run_ass to do it multiple times | 18:53 |
| +perlDreamer | it uses Test::Class to run ~3200 tests like ->new, cut, paste, purge, duplicate, addRev etc | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | also some parent checks and other things | 18:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok guys | 18:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have to abide the bar/beer thing patspam told me to do | 18:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need to win the lottery and hire Paul Johnson fix Devel::Cover | 19:04 |
| +patspam | I think they were doing work on it at the vienna QA hackathon over the weekend? | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | some, but PCJ's video report on day #2 said that he was just starting to attack the RT queue | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | and the constant handling in various code statements definitely needs to be approved | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | improved | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Builder 2.x uses Mouse!??! | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | at some point, they're going to put Mo[ou]se into the core of Perl 5 | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you heard it here first, folks | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, if we do one of these videos, we need to post process the video to add in subtitles with names of people and bullet point summaries of what the person says | 19:16 |
| +patspam | that would be awesome.. but aren't we too lazy? | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe a nice blog posting would do | 19:17 |
| +patspam | how much effort do you reckon it'd take to add inbox attachments? | 19:18 |
| +patspam | I have a client who might be interested in funding it | 19:18 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:19 |
| +perlDreamer | at the API level, it should be quite simple | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you're just adding a storage location to each inbox message | 19:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but the UI may be a little involved | 19:20 |
| +patspam | yeah ok | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I think I need to face the fact that I'm graphics impaired | 19:22 |
| +patspam | impaired? | 19:22 |
| +perlDreamer | API and CLI makes tons of sense to me | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | but my UI leaves a lot to be desired | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | which seems odd for a web developer | 19:23 |
| +patspam | that's why we have people like andyiomoon around | 19:24 |
| +patspam | where does the wre source repo live? | 19:25 |
| +patspam | ah, github | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | it's on PB's github | 19:25 |
| +patspam | hmm, looks like Image::Magick is going to stop me from being able to test wg against perl 5.12.0 | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's really new, their team may not have done any testing against it yet | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | you can be the first to post the RT bug! | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | does this help: https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/Display.html?id=56345 | 19:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5282a12 / (docs/gotcha.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): Note Test::Deep is required due to usage in Survey::Test and Asset::Event. - http://bit.ly/d2Gcm5 | 19:35 |
| +patspam | ah I think maybe it's because PerlMagick on CPAN is version 6.59 | 19:35 |
| +patspam | whereas ubuntu's ImageMagick is 6.5.1 | 19:35 |
| +perlDreamer | are the version numbers tied together? | 19:36 |
| +patspam | yeah, seems to be suggested at http://www.imagemagick.org/script/perl-magick.php | 19:36 |
| +patspam | who else is going to YAPC::NA this year? | 19:51 |
| +perlDreamer | sorry, my travel budget is pretty dominated by the WUC this year | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm hoping to squeeze in an OSCON tutorial, but we shall see | 19:56 |
| @Haarg | i'm planning to patspam | 20:09 |
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| +patspam | Haarg: great | 21:26 |
| +patspam | I got perl 5.12.0 installed | 21:26 |
| +patspam | site loaded but got: Unable to process macro 'AdminBar' | 21:26 |
| +patspam | will investigate more some other time | 21:27 |
| @preaction | the AdminBar is going away. but i don't know why it doesn't work right now unfortunately | 21:28 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1cd7d8f / (t/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster/featured.t t/Macro/PageUrl.t): Remove dead END blocks from some tests. - http://bit.ly/cMICBD | 21:41 |
| +patspam | I vote we migrate to 5.12 for the sake of the size of the webgui tarball | 21:42 |
| +patspam | think how much space we can save by deleting all those 'use strict's! | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam is now President of the Society for the Conservation of Bits | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, has anyone looked at the "appendMostPopular" method in WikiMaster? | 21:47 |
| @preaction | nope | 21:47 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not seeing any kind of popularity weighing in on which assets are selected, or their order | 21:47 |
| * perlDreamer goes running, and ponders an implementation of breadth-first versus depth-first recursion, and its impact on hierarchial keyword displays | 22:03 | |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r30a2c09 / (11 files in 4 dirs): URL handlers are now completely replaced by Middleware - http://bit.ly/bBsYXa | 23:25 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb38847b / (4 files in 3 dirs): back button/menu working - http://bit.ly/czzmfj | 23:33 |
| ckotil | When did the YUI vertical menu get introduced? it seems to do somethign wierd to <h1> tags | 23:40 |
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| * patspam just added preloading to psgi branch | 00:37 | |
| +patspam | WebGUI under Starman uses about 10Mb per child worker | 00:37 |
| +patspam | with fixed additional overhead of about 100Mb | 00:38 |
| +patspam | so running 10 workers = ~200Mb | 00:38 |
| +patspam | 20 works = 300M | 00:38 |
| +patspam | etc.. | 00:38 |
| +patspam | there's still a lot of unnecessary cruft being preloaded (Apache2::Request etc..) so I'm sure we can trim it further | 00:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I though you had Unrequested the psgi branch? | 00:41 |
| +patspam | unrequested? | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | removed Apache2::Request | 00:45 |
| +patspam | oooh | 00:45 |
| +patspam | yeah I have, but there's still a few mentions of it in random bits of code that need to be cleaned up | 00:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ack to the rescue! | 01:05 |
| +perlDreamer | It's probably Session, and maybe Session/Http | 01:05 |
| +patspam | plus some weird ones like UsersOnline and SendWebguiStats | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I get WebGUI.pm, Storage | 01:06 |
| +perlDreamer | and PerformanceProfiler | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but that's in the master branch, not WebGUI8 | 01:07 |
| +patspam | also HttpProxy | 01:08 |
| +perlDreamer | Apache2::Request? | 01:09 |
| +patspam | Apache2::Upload | 01:09 |
| +perlDreamer | I see, I should ack 'Apache2::' | 01:09 |
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| +patspam | sweet, I've got it down to under 10Mb per child worker | 01:18 |
| +patspam | with only one child your total cost is 98M | 01:18 |
| +patspam | with 10x child workers your total cost is 163M | 01:18 |
| +perlDreamer | dude, that's still massively less than Apache/mod_perl | 01:19 |
| +patspam | 20x --> 235M, 30x --> 265M | 01:19 |
| +patspam | yeah! | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | we tell Apache to kill them at 150 Mb each | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | and they do get killed | 01:19 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, how does LeakTrace work with Plack/psgi? | 01:19 |
| +patspam | have't tried it | 01:19 |
| +patspam | I started playing with Test::Memory::Cycle last night | 01:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Andy Lester is a genius | 01:21 |
| +patspam | what's the best LeakTrace module to use? | 01:21 |
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| +patspam | Devel::LeakTrace::Fast? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | Andy Armstrong is also a genius | 01:23 |
| +patspam | heh | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | what is with people named Andy and geniusness? | 01:23 |
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| +patspam | have you used any of the LeakTrace modules in the past? | 01:26 |
| +perlDreamer | no | 01:27 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, in your dream implementation of wiki categories, are sub-categories defined in the keyword pages? | 01:41 |
| +patspam | um | 01:44 |
| +patspam | sorry, trying to remember | 01:46 |
| +patspam | how do you create subcategories in wikipedia? by adding categories to a category page? | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I did a little reading into that,and that sounds right. | 01:47 |
| +perlDreamer | it isn't very clearly laid out | 01:47 |
| +patspam | ah, I see, other way around to what I was thinking | 01:48 |
| +patspam | you tag the sub-category as being in the parent category | 01:48 |
| +patspam | so for us, on a keyword page you tag it with the parent keyword to establish the hierarchy | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | right, in the parent (wiki), we give it a list of keywords. Those link, in turn, to pages where the title matches that keyword | 01:50 |
| +perlDreamer | but from there down, it's up to us to determine how to find the next level | 01:50 |
| +patspam | say I want to have: Administration > Performance > FilePump | 01:50 |
| +patspam | that's: top-level cat, sub-cat, article | 01:51 |
| +patspam | we like Administration in the wiki settings so that it knows it's a top-level cat | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:51 |
| +patspam | then as a user, I first add the FilePump article, and tag it as Performance | 01:51 |
| +patspam | then I go to the Performance keyword page, and tag that as Administration | 01:51 |
| +perlDreamer | right | 01:52 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, what problems did you see with the WebGUI8/master merge? | 02:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it was varied, about 32 failing tests out of 3500 | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | couldn't call cloneFromDb, unable to look up assetId, unable to find WEBGUI_FATAL | 02:09 |
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| +perlDreamer | back when we spoke earlier, I noted which test I ran, and what how I ran it for reference | 02:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but I've been doing support and wiki hacking all day long, and haven't looked deeply at what's failing | 02:10 |
| @Haarg | ok | 02:10 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r4d703ff / (7 files in 7 dirs): | 02:37 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added preloading | 02:37 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Removed evil overload | 02:37 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Removed references to Apache2:: from codebase | 02:37 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Attempted to remove circular references - http://bit.ly/abwdds | 02:37 |
| xdanger | I haven't been following the conversation or development os WebGUI8, but you talk a lot about Plack/psgi so is WG8 going to run on Plack? | 03:04 |
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| @preaction | xdanger: yes | 03:18 |
| xdanger | great | 03:18 |
| xdanger | I did some testing on plebgui when patspam first did the blog post | 03:19 |
| @preaction | after 8, our next major step will be consolidating around Template Toolkit and DBIx::Class, probably accompanied with a huge reduction in the codebase and a not-minor restructuring | 03:19 |
| xdanger | It was great for local dev | 03:19 |
| xdanger | You should have some kind of status update every month or so | 03:20 |
| @preaction | i don't have time, else i would | 03:21 |
| xdanger | has there been any other changes/additions to the original webgui8 plans? | 03:22 |
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| @preaction | memcached is no longer required, we're going to use CHI instead (to allow memcached, but also fastmmap and other caches) | 03:25 |
| @preaction | and a bunch of stuff was deemed "too much work", since plainblack has had to cut back on staff due to the economy | 03:26 |
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| xdanger | I just love perl and cpan =) | 03:34 |
| xdanger | "There's a Cpan package for that" | 03:35 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r203686f / www/extras/admin/admin.js : back/forward button/menu done - http://bit.ly/b1aJWH | 03:56 |
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| +patspam | xdanger: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4505694655/in/photostream/ | 04:35 |
| +patspam | the plack branch has eye-candy now too | 04:35 |
| @preaction | i gotta try this, see if i can rip out the current "debug mode" | 04:46 |
| @preaction | or did you already do that? | 04:46 |
| @preaction | damn, colin's not here. i wanted to ask his approval to merge | 04:47 |
| +patspam | call him on the batphone | 04:47 |
| @preaction | nono, way too late for that. | 04:47 |
| @preaction | besides, he already works too much and claims too few hours | 04:48 |
| +patspam | yeah true | 04:48 |
| @preaction | can Plack::Middleware::Debug be turned on/off while the server is running? | 04:50 |
| @preaction | perhaps even on a per-user basis? | 04:50 |
| +patspam | yeah, it uses canShowDebug | 04:50 |
| @preaction | i'd like to be able to debug a live site while the live site is still live | 04:50 |
| @preaction | ah, sweet. so i could make that a session var instead of a setting (leaving the security IP subnets, or maybe putting them in config instead) | 04:51 |
| +patspam | it's middleware, so it's per-request | 04:51 |
| +patspam | yep! | 04:51 |
| @preaction | good. simplify simplify is the name of the 8 game | 04:51 |
| +patspam | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/psgi/lib/WebGUI/Middleware/Session.pm#L70 | 04:52 |
| +patspam | I've got it enabling StackTrace when debug mode is on too | 04:52 |
| +patspam | preaction: http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4522358884/ | 04:59 |
| @preaction | and no "WEBGUI_FATAL"? no "Internal Server Bullcrap"? | 05:00 |
| @preaction | yay! | 05:00 |
| @preaction | hmm... i would say if a session doesn't get created to just give a verbose error message: something is really wrong | 05:01 |
| @preaction | but that might require changes to Session->open. damn do i wish for proper exceptions... | 05:02 |
| @Haarg | preaction, http://haarg.org/perf-log.png | 05:17 |
| @preaction | oh fucking nice | 05:17 |
| @preaction | even if the performance itself isn't so great | 05:17 |
| @Haarg | i figured that was a better way to go than the inline perf things | 05:18 |
| @preaction | indeed, much much better | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | so they can just be tied to debug mode instead of being a separate setting | 05:18 |
| @preaction | that's another huge block of spaghetti code that will Not Be Missed | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | yes | 05:18 |
| @Haarg | with the combination of what patspam and i have done, Session::ErrorHandler does almost nothing now | 05:19 |
| @preaction | awesome. awesome to the max | 05:20 |
| @preaction | which reminds me. should we put "scratch" outside and make it $session->set(...) and $session->get(...)? | 05:20 |
| @Haarg | possibly | 05:20 |
| @Haarg | there's also session->var | 05:20 |
| @preaction | which are the read-only... wait... christ... | 05:21 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 05:21 |
| @preaction | one of those does not need to exist. and maybe both. | 05:21 |
| @preaction | Var could be properties of WebGUI::Session | 05:21 |
| @preaction | or whathaveyou | 05:21 |
| @Haarg | might make sense to have var be part of session and keep scratch as it is | 05:22 |
| @preaction | yeah | 05:22 |
| @Haarg | another middleware to make i think. Plack::Middleware::ProxyHeaders | 05:25 |
| @Haarg | to have it adjust the incoming data for stuff behind a forward proxy - X-Forwared-For and X-Forwarded-Proto | 05:26 |
| +patspam | preaction: I refactored it so that WebGUI can throw exceptions | 05:35 |
| @preaction | yes, but parts of the API rely on not throwing exceptions | 05:36 |
| @preaction | perhaps i should make that a decree: any place where we formerly returned undef to say "problem", we will eventually throw an exception | 05:37 |
| +patspam | yeah, exceptions are nice now that we have StackTrace | 05:37 |
| +patspam | and when you don't have debug mode on, the exception gets caught and mapped to a http error code | 05:37 |
| +patspam | and then http errors get mapped to your custom error docs :) | 05:37 |
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| +MrHairgrease | Good morning everybody! | 10:31 |
| +bartjol | mogge | 10:36 |
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| Windows__Killer | hello | 15:27 |
| Windows__Killer | anyone help me regarding installation of WebGUI | 15:29 |
| Windows__Killer | anyone there | 15:29 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is the problem? | 15:30 |
| Windows__Killer | i have just downloaded | 15:40 |
| Windows__Killer | do u have tutorial ? | 15:40 |
| Windows__Killer | please send me | 15:41 |
| Windows__Killer | fnasry@gmail.com | 15:41 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.webgui.org/install/wiki/webgui-installation-table-of-contents | 15:42 |
| Windows__Killer | thanks | 15:42 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy. | 16:35 |
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| +bartjol | again a strange problem with lineage, assets are being added with an existing lineage | 17:33 |
| +bartjol | and now it acts normal again | 17:33 |
| @Haarg | patspam, something we should do in the psgi branch: make the top level app.psgi file automatically map all of the site configs by hostname | 17:35 |
| +patspam | ah yeah, I hadn't really thought about multi-site | 17:39 |
| +patspam | for some reason I was thinking along the lines of site1.psgi, site2.psgi, but that's not right | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | well, maybe | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | one thought i had was to have a file var/app.psgi | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | that handles a single site | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol, lineage is set to be unique in the db | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | if that isn't working | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | and the main level app.psgi then wraps that for each host name | 17:40 |
| +perlDreamer | then we have a MySQL bug | 17:40 |
| @Haarg | but the site config could also contain an alternate psgi file to use | 17:41 |
| @Haarg | and you would still be able to just make your own psgi that only referenced your own site if you wanted to go that route | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: well, it only tries to do that, and then fails | 17:41 |
| +patspam | interesting | 17:41 |
| +perlDreamer | well, that's good then | 17:41 |
| +bartjol | so no mysql bug | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it's only a WebGUI bug :P | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | :) | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | is this a site with heavy usage? | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | but it only happens on one site and (afaik) 1 asset | 17:42 |
| @Haarg | i may be trying to hard to make it more like our existing setup, but it seems like a reasonable approach anyway | 17:42 |
| +bartjol | no that much | 17:42 |
| +perlDreamer | which asset is it? | 17:43 |
| +bartjol | a page layout | 17:44 |
| +bartjol | quiet common | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | vanilla, core code? | 17:44 |
| +perlDreamer | note, have to take kids to school in T-1 minute | 17:44 |
| +patspam | haarg: the current architecture needs some refactoring in that case | 17:44 |
| @Haarg | how so? | 17:45 |
| +patspam | we need a config object per-site | 17:45 |
| +patspam | I guess we could create a WebGUI object per-site too | 17:45 |
| +patspam | I just baked preloading into the WebGUI object, which assumes it only gets run once per server | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 17:46 |
| @Haarg | what bit of code are you referencing? | 17:49 |
| +patspam | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/psgi/lib/WebGUI.pm#L145 | 17:54 |
| @Haarg | i wouldn't worry about that too much. it could probably just be left out for now until we merge in WebGUI::Paths. | 17:55 |
| +patspam | yeah, I'm dying for that | 17:58 |
| @Haarg | it's ready for merge, except it entirely breaks wgdev | 17:59 |
| +patspam | I really like the way psgi is forcing us to separate out per-server, per-site and per-request scopes | 17:59 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r7285454 / app.psgi : Multi-site support - http://bit.ly/bNuowk | 18:00 |
| +patspam | haard: http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/blob/psgi/app.psgi | 18:00 |
| +patspam | s/ha{2}rd/haarg/ | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | you realize it was shorter to just type haarg, patspam? | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, why did we end up using Net::CIDR::Lite instead of one of the alternatives? | 18:01 |
| +perlDreamer | I liked it better than the others | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | they all had the same functionality | 18:02 |
| +patspam | perlDreamer: I probably should have used s/h(a+)rd/h$1rg/ | 18:06 |
| +patspam | in case he sprouts another 'a' | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | he does do that | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | right now I think he's grinding his teeth over my method for choosing modules | 18:07 |
| +patspam | damn, psgi is evil | 18:07 |
| @Haarg | no, i was just wondering | 18:07 |
| +patspam | I swore today I was going to do $work | 18:07 |
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| @Haarg | the module i'm working on needs to match ips and right now i just have it doing string matching | 18:08 |
| +patspam | it sucks you in with its shiny goodness | 18:08 |
| @Haarg | was considering adding netmask/cidr | 18:08 |
| * patspam goes back to reviewing client tickets | 18:08 | |
| +perlDreamer | Net::CIDR::Lite will handle that | 18:11 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym, and considers a divorce from Test::Deep | 19:16 | |
| @preaction | A no-fault divorce? Be careful, it might take half your stuff | 19:29 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r8206aea / (5 files in 5 dirs): enhance format of .wgaccess files to provide security for Gallery files - http://bit.ly/ciOd20 | 19:39 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop webgui-7.8 * rb761a92 / (5 files in 5 dirs): enhance format of .wgaccess files to provide security for Gallery files - http://bit.ly/9L02M7 | 19:43 |
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| mech422 | /crickets | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | how's your Account plugin, mech422? | 20:30 |
| mech422 | done - works a treat :-) | 20:41 |
| mech422 | iContact is kinda borked though | 20:41 |
| mech422 | if a user 'unsubscribes' from your mailing list, you can't resubscribe without going to their website... so to allow users to toggle 'receive email' back and forth you need to move them on/off a "don't bother me" list | 20:42 |
| mech422 | very wierd | 20:42 |
| mech422 | I'm now perusing the lovely import user script you included in the box :-) | 20:43 |
| mech422 | (plone uses SSHA passwd hashes, but we decided to skip the auth plugin nad just have users reset their passwords) | 20:43 |
| mech422 | got about 20k of users to import | 20:44 |
| +perlDreamer | that'll take a while | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | but the userImport script will let you set their username, password and all profile fields | 20:45 |
| +perlDreamer | also, initial group membership | 20:45 |
| @Haarg | finally made something posting as a cpan module, Plack::Middleware::ForwardedHeaders | 20:46 |
| mech422 | yeah - its seems pretty slick :-) Do you happen to know if it handles quoted strings ? ( juser, "Joe User", somepassword ) | 20:47 |
| mech422 | ( I guess I should write a test script and see how this works: @user{@field} = @row; -that seems to be the key piece ? ) | 20:49 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't handle quoted strings, but it is a tab separated file so things with spaces should be fine unquoted | 20:51 |
| mech422 | oh thanks | 20:51 |
| @Haarg | it should probably be changed to use Text::CSV_XS | 20:53 |
| mech422 | I was sorta surprised there wasn't some sort of perl CSV module being used | 20:53 |
| mech422 | python has a fairly nice one for working with csv | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, definitely | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, if you want to submit a patch with that, we'd take it | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | give you kudos in the authors credits file | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | shower you with karma on webgui.org | 20:54 |
| mech422 | perlDreamer: LOL - probably not the one you want making changes like that... all your import users would prolly end up with a password fo 'foobar' | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, don't sell youreself short :) | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, we'd audit the patch and run some tests on it before committing | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | well, Test::Differences has much better debug output, but Test::Deep allows you to do things that it can't | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | like array checking, partial hash checking, etc | 21:00 |
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| +perlDreamer | Why in the world don't the List-type Form plugins take an array reference, instead of a hashref? | 21:14 |
| @preaction | because! | 21:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I find it hard to debate that login | 21:16 |
| +perlDreamer | err, logic | 21:16 |
| kimd | You mean, because preaction is right? | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | in this case, yes | 21:19 |
| mech422 | wait - wasn't that one of the rules ? | 21:20 |
| mech422 | don't get him wet... | 21:21 |
| @preaction | perlbot tmrfe | 21:21 |
| perlbot | preaction: The Man Responsible For Everything -- Sometimes you DO have someone to blame. | 21:21 |
| mech422 | don't feed him after midnight | 21:21 |
| mech422 | don't tell him he's right ? | 21:21 |
| @preaction | yeah, he might get used to it | 21:21 |
| mech422 | hehe | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | no, we'll shoot him down, question his credibility and assault his self-esteem tomorrow | 21:23 |
| kimd | Shouldn't we assault his self-esteem before shooting him down? Otherwise it's no fun. | 21:24 |
| @preaction | awesome! i won't be here tomorrow! | 21:24 |
| kimd | Lucky you! | 21:26 |
| +patspam | http://www.flickr.com/photos/hanekomu/4517449333/ | 21:38 |
| mech422 | Hmm - maybe in hte new version - setenvironment could set a WEBGUI_ROOT too ? | 21:40 |
| mech422 | the trick used to find the root in the userImport script means it has to be run from a specific dir | 21:40 |
| mech422 | stuffing it in hte env could give a nice consistent way to find it ? or am I missing something ? | 21:41 |
| @preaction | that sounds like a good idea | 21:42 |
| @Haarg | it wouldn't be hard to just adjust all the scripts to just use a directory relative to themselves instead of the current directory. | 21:43 |
| mech422 | Haarg: thats what userImport does - webguiRoot = '..' | 21:44 |
| mech422 | but then you have to be in the 'right' dir when you run it | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | instead it should be relative to the script file itself | 21:44 |
| mech422 | getting the 'real' path of a script cross platform is a bit of a PITA.. I had to do it in bash one time.. | 21:45 |
| mech422 | the 'easy way out' is just stuff it in a var somewhere | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | you could also use wgdev | 21:45 |
| @Haarg | http://gist.github.com/367486 | 21:47 |
| @Haarg | ugly, but would work better than what we have right now | 21:48 |
| @Haarg | preaction, do you see any reason not to just make that change? | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just one of a whole bunch of changes that need to be done to that script | 21:49 |
| @preaction | no, sounds good | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | like CSV_XS and everything else | 21:49 |
| @Haarg | well, that change is for all scripts | 21:50 |
| @preaction | soon enough we'll have WebGUI in @INC and all this bullshit can go away | 21:50 |
| @Haarg | yes | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | and all wi' be well, all manner of things wi' be well | 21:54 |
| mech422 | heh - it ran, said 'starting ok' 'ending ok' but nothing imported :-P I must have been a horrible person in a former life | 21:55 |
| mech422 | so iffin I gotta tear this apart - CSV_XS is the module you want to use ? | 21:56 |
| @Haarg | Text::CSV_XS | 21:56 |
| mech422 | thanks :-) | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | mech422, it's like a format problem in your usersFile | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | which means converting it to Text::CSV_XS won't help | 21:58 |
| mech422 | yeah - the file didn't open | 22:03 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * raaa0924 / (18 files): allow running sbin scripts from any directory - http://bit.ly/clft45 | 22:03 |
| mech422 | needs an '|| die()' on the open ? | 22:03 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop master * r7c7136f / lib/WebGUI/URL/Uploads.pm : remove useless variable declaration - http://bit.ly/cjYYXY | 22:03 |
| mech422 | Woot! I have users :-D | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do the recent changes to the .wgaccess file need an upgrade script to iterate and upgrade them, or will they work in both formats? | 22:06 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, how to use no plan in testing combined with testing_done? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, for now, I don't recommend that you do that | 22:08 |
| kimd | Why is that? | 22:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't work with older perl's, and their testing infrastructure | 22:09 |
| kimd | 5.0.8? | 22:09 |
| kimd | or was it 5.8? | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | 5.8 | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI 8, it won't be an issue any longer | 22:09 |
| kimd | Hm. Back to counting tests... | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | we mandate 5.10, and it has all the right versions of test modules to use no_plan, and testing_done | 22:09 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a big bummer, but the end is coming | 22:10 |
| @preaction | kimd: you could run the tests, it will tell you how many were run | 22:10 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:10 |
| kimd | I am just not sure whether it will always remain the same. | 22:10 |
| kimd | I am running a loop on a storage location. | 22:10 |
| kimd | At the moment there should be two resolutions and a thumbnail. | 22:10 |
| kimd | But what if the code changes and there are more in the future? | 22:11 |
| kimd | (Talking about the Photo asset) | 22:11 |
| @preaction | then the test fails and someone has to update it | 22:11 |
| @preaction | i would rather have failing tests than questionable coverage | 22:11 |
| @preaction | wgd lets you do a coverage report automatically when testing though | 22:12 |
| kimd | Alright. Going to hardcode the number then. | 22:12 |
| @preaction | wait, why run a loop when you can use Test::Deep's bag or supersetof()? | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, that is a good 2nd option | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Deep will let you run "loop"-type tests on every member of data sent to it | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | and it only counts as 1 test | 22:14 |
| kimd | The answer is simple: I have never done it and it will take me probably 20min+ to find out how to do it. | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | it's your call. If you want help converting it to Test::Deep just show paste a snippet of the test | 22:16 |
| kimd | Sounds fair. | 22:22 |
| kimd | Something else first, though: | 22:22 |
| kimd | How can I push an array to an array without adding the single elements? | 22:22 |
| kimd | I want an array of arrays. | 22:23 |
| kimd | Or is that not possible in perl? Do I need to use refs? | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | push @array, \@array2; | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | so, yes to both questions :) | 22:25 |
| kimd | Aargh! I should hate you all for making me write test functions... | 22:27 |
| kimd | (But I don't). | 22:27 |
| +patspam | so if I add inbox attachments.. | 22:29 |
| +patspam | only users who can read the message should be allowed to download the attachments | 22:30 |
| @preaction | patspam: the new wgaccess file format should fix that for you | 22:32 |
| +patspam | new wgaccess file format? | 22:32 |
| @preaction | just merged today to fix a security problem in the gallery | 22:32 |
| +patspam | yeah because this site has a modified WebGUI that makes Inbox::can_read dynamic | 22:33 |
| kimd | Is it possible that cmp_deeply does not check for the correct order of elements? | 22:33 |
| +patspam | more dynamic than userId and groupId anyway | 22:33 |
| @preaction | WebGUI::Storage should be able to help explain things | 22:33 |
| kimd | I mean, (1024, 768) is identical to (768, 1024)? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | kimd: yes, that's what bag() is for | 22:33 |
| +patspam | preaction: in master? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | patspam: and 7.8, yes | 22:33 |
| +patspam | yay | 22:33 |
| +patspam | perfect, multiple groups! | 22:35 |
| kimd | preaction, I think it's the other way round. I meant cmp_bag. | 22:35 |
| kimd | Working now. Thanks! | 22:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, cmp_bag = cmp_deeply( $something, bag( $expected ) ) | 22:36 |
| +patspam | kimd: your PBWG photo would make your dentist proud | 22:36 |
| kimd | patspam, they are a bit yellowish, in fact. But they did a good job at plainblack :-) | 22:37 |
| kimd | Is it ok for $storage->getFiles('showAll') to return the current directory pseudo file? ('.') | 22:41 |
| +patspam | that smells bad to me | 22:43 |
| +patspam | although I've managed to mostly steer clear of WebGUI::Storage up until now, so I don't know if that would be useful or bugful | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, that's the way it's supposed to work | 22:46 |
| kimd | Ok. That means I have to filter it out. | 22:46 |
| * perlDreamer is out for lunch for a while | 22:47 | |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, wgaccess changes are backwards compatible | 22:47 |
| kimd | One more stupid question, is there a function to skip the current iteration of a for loop? | 22:49 |
| @preaction | kimd: perldoc -f next | 22:51 |
| @preaction | so "next if $file == "."; | 22:51 |
| kimd | Cool! Thanks. | 22:51 |
| kimd | That's almost like basic, isn't it? | 22:51 |
| @preaction | i don't know that basic has postfix notation | 22:51 |
| kimd | You are right. I was just referring to the next directive. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | but it's better than "continue" and "break", whatever those mean | 22:52 |
| @preaction | perl has "next" and "last" instead | 22:52 |
| kimd | You know, I loved to type those little basic programs when I was a teenager... | 22:54 |
| kimd | Every little game was hard work... | 22:55 |
| kimd | Why does it take me about 10x more time for implementing testing functions than implementing the actual RFE? | 22:57 |
| kimd | Is that due to my limited programming skills? | 22:57 |
| @preaction | no, it's due to not being familiar with the testing functions, and that testing really does take more time than implementation | 22:57 |
| kimd | It's very painful to be honest. | 22:58 |
| kimd | I read the idea about test-driven implementation. | 22:58 |
| kimd | I liked it in the beginning. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | but it's much better for the stability of the platform as a whole | 22:58 |
| kimd | But reality is really tough. | 22:58 |
| kimd | Still, I am making progress. | 22:58 |
| @preaction | i mean, here in WebGUI, some people get to write features and then foist the problems off on Colin or I | 22:59 |
| kimd | Yeah, I can definitely see your point. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | which is why we need to maintain standards of code contributions: everyone has to deal with the consequences of bad code | 22:59 |
| kimd | That is why I try to make better. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | right, and if i had a problem with the code it wouldn't have been merged at all | 23:00 |
| @preaction | it's just that before i would vet certain things, we let in a lot of problematic code we are still paying the maintenance costs on | 23:00 |
| kimd | On the other, the burden for contributing to webgui has become extremely high. | 23:01 |
| kimd | You almost need to be a WebGUI expert. | 23:01 |
| kimd | I assume that is the reason that so few people contribute code. | 23:01 |
| @preaction | no, people rarely contributed code before this | 23:01 |
| @preaction | they did when we paid them contracting rates mostly | 23:01 |
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| kimd | Hm. Why do believe there is so little activity? I mean, there are quite a few companies using WebGUI. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | in 7.8, we didn't have any money to pay for contractors, which is why very few features went in | 23:02 |
| kimd | Sad, isn't it? | 23:02 |
| @preaction | i don't know. i really don't. i've asked for help doing very little things, and they seem to agree, but nothing ever gets actually done | 23:02 |
| @preaction | (one was "hosting for a WRE build server") | 23:03 |
| @preaction | but i mean that's the state of the world really | 23:03 |
| kimd | No one's time for anything. But you know, time is a matter of priority. | 23:03 |
| @preaction | so what we'll do is heap as much reward and recognition as we can on those who do contribute | 23:03 |
| kimd | Well, do you really think that the people contributing are doing this for the reward and recognition? | 23:04 |
| kimd | I mean, I appreciate a nice word. | 23:04 |
| kimd | And quick response to my code. | 23:04 |
| kimd | But in fact, I am being very much selfish. | 23:05 |
| kimd | I am using WebGUI. | 23:05 |
| @preaction | Squonk got us into Debian. Elnino has tested every feature of WebGUI personally. perlDreamer needs no introduction (we're just glad we can pay him for all the work he does at the moment) | 23:05 |
| kimd | Contributing benefits me personally. | 23:05 |
| @preaction | patspam is contributing a huge amount of WebGUI 8 and has contributed other huge features to WebGUI 7 | 23:05 |
| kimd | And what do you think is driving them? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | personal interest, same as what drives everyone to do anything | 23:06 |
| @preaction | its just their personal interest also benefits other people | 23:06 |
| @preaction | you don't have to contribute changes back to webgui core, at all. | 23:07 |
| kimd | Exactly. So why don't other people contribute that are making money with WebGUI? | 23:07 |
| @preaction | the only benefit you get is that the community will help fix problems and add features | 23:07 |
| @preaction | that, sir, is a question for the ages, and every F/OSS project would love an answer | 23:07 |
| kimd | For me it is very simple: | 23:07 |
| kimd | Adding features to the core reduces my work upon upgrades. | 23:08 |
| kimd | Does everyone else really prefer customized WebGUI installations? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | well, and greater exposure means "all bugs are shallow" | 23:08 |
| kimd | shallow? | 23:08 |
| @preaction | well, some places have highly specialized apps (many of our clients) | 23:08 |
| @preaction | shallow, easy to unearth (find) / debug | 23:08 |
| @preaction | Eric S Raymond explores this in "The Cathedral and the Bazaar" | 23:09 |
| kimd | I still don't get it. | 23:10 |
| kimd | If I was earning money with WebGUI I would probably dedicate a day per week to general development. | 23:10 |
| kimd | On average, of course. | 23:10 |
| kimd | What about the wre build server. | 23:11 |
| kimd | ? | 23:11 |
| kimd | What is it that you need? | 23:11 |
| @preaction | nothing anymore. i can't build the WRE on OSX 10.6 because of 64-bit incompatibility problems | 23:11 |
| kimd | Anything else I might be able to do in order to help you? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | and i have to focus on WebGUI 8 development, can't waste time trying to figure out why the WRE won't build | 23:12 |
| @Haarg | preaction, which part was actually failing? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | after i got every other little issue fixed, it was Class::MOP failing to build | 23:13 |
| @preaction | i think after i removed that, SSL just didn't work (even though it compiled just fine) | 23:13 |
| @Haarg | 32-bit build? | 23:13 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:13 |
| @preaction | i had to reorg a whole bunch of Build.sh to make it accept the right CC, CCFLAGS, CPP, CPPFLAGS LDFLAGS, etc... | 23:14 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, is there a reason we couldn't update the Test::More dependency for 7.9 to allow done_testing? | 23:15 |
| kimd | Alright, guys. It's 22:20 already. I think I need to go to bed. | 23:19 |
| kimd | Enjoy the rest of your day. | 23:20 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, if it means revving the WRE, I'd rather not | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's pure convenience | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | and normally I'm a big fan of that | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | but counting tests is too easy | 00:03 |
| +perlDreamer | plus, I'd really rather stick it to them, all at once, in WebGUI 8 | 00:03 |
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| mech422 | Hmm - 64 bit is still an issue ? it works pretty well here ... thought it was all resolved ? | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | there's a few different sides to the issue | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | you can run the 32bit version on a 64bit os without problems | 00:32 |
| @Haarg | and we can compile a 64bit version on mac os x (where we do all our development) | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | bit we haven't had any luck compiling a 32bit version on os x 10.6 | 00:33 |
| mech422 | I have a pure 64bit build on Debian AMD64 | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | *but | 00:33 |
| @Haarg | patspam, ping | 00:34 |
| +patspam | haarg: pong | 00:51 |
| @Haarg | i made the module Plack::Middleware::ForwardedHeaders to deal with X-Forwarded-For and similar headers. it adjusts REMORE_ADDR and psgi.url_scheme. do you think it's worth saving the initial values in $env somewhere? | 00:52 |
| +patspam | what's it used for? | 00:54 |
| @Haarg | what is which used for? | 00:54 |
| +patspam | X-Forwarded-For etc.. | 00:55 |
| +patspam | proxies? | 00:55 |
| @Haarg | if you have your server behind a reverse proxy, the remote ip address and protocol aren't really correct. so Apache for example sends a X-Forwarded-For header specifying the original client ip that requested the page. | 00:55 |
| +patspam | ah nice | 00:56 |
| +patspam | but if the proxy does it, why do you need to do it in the webapp? | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | the proxy just adds those headers | 00:57 |
| +patspam | oh I see | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | the web app needs to specifically use them | 00:57 |
| @Haarg | so the middleware just adjusts the normal places that the information is stored based on those headers | 00:57 |
| +patspam | I don't see why you'd need to keep the original values if you're using that | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:58 |
| +patspam | heh but easy to add later without breaking anything if people need it :) | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | i actually already added it but i'm planning to rip it out because i don't like how it looks | 00:58 |
| @Haarg | storing in ORIGINAL_REMOTE_ADDR and original.psgi.url_scheme | 00:59 |
| @Haarg | ugly | 00:59 |
| @preaction | isn't there a PROXY_VIA or something? | 01:05 |
| @Haarg | there is also Via, but that's more for normal proxies | 01:05 |
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| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r8b2b1bc / (lib/WGDev.pm lib/WGDev/Asset.pm lib/WGDev/Command/Reset.pm): add rudimentary support for WebGUI::Paths - http://bit.ly/aCHGKx | 02:34 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * r25499e9 / lib/WGDev/Command/Build.pm : enforce utf8 on tables in create.sql - http://bit.ly/bZ93ZT | 02:34 |
| +patspam | I think setenvironment.sh should completely stomp on $PERL5LIB | 02:54 |
| +patspam | if you already have something in there, say if you're using local::lib for other perl development, you don't want the wre's perl trying to use those libs | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | does sendmail log everything, or only problems? | 02:59 |
| @Haarg | preaction, perlDreamer, patspam i merged WebGUI::Paths in | 03:14 |
| +patspam | haarg++ | 03:14 |
| @Haarg | made some small adjustments to wgdev enough so that reset works | 03:14 |
| +patspam | you game to merge it into the psgi branch? | 03:19 |
| @Haarg | not at the moment | 03:20 |
| @Haarg | tomorrow though sure | 03:20 |
| +patspam | awesome | 03:20 |
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| SDuensin | FRIIIIIIIDAAAAAAAY! | 16:35 |
| +MrHairgrease | so they say | 16:35 |
| SDuensin | Why yes they do. | 16:37 |
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| +bartjol | MrHairgrease: I? upgrading your site | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:55 |
| +bartjol | and I will move it to the oqapi server | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:56 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop psgi * rf88d2b2 / (lib/WebGUI/Middleware/Session.pm var/site.psgi): move debug configuration into psgi - http://bit.ly/cqlmyY | 17:07 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, my psgi branch on github has WebGUI8(with WebGUI::Paths)+psgi merged, along with a multi-site .psgi file | 17:28 |
| +patspam | haarg++ | 17:28 |
| +patspam | awesome! | 17:28 |
| +patspam | push it to pb? | 17:28 |
| @Haarg | well, there are a few things that still need to be fixed | 17:29 |
| @Haarg | session->env for one | 17:29 |
| @Haarg | and it may not be serving error pages correctly | 17:29 |
| +patspam | yeah true | 17:30 |
| +patspam | I meant push it as the new psgi branch | 17:31 |
| @Haarg | ah | 17:31 |
| @Haarg | it's probably ok for that | 17:32 |
| +patspam | yeah, env is probably broken already | 17:32 |
| @Haarg | it is | 17:32 |
| @Haarg | we may just want to get rid of it | 17:32 |
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| @Haarg | one thing i noticed was weakening config in a couple places | 17:34 |
| @Haarg | is there any real reason to do that? | 17:34 |
| @Haarg | config objects don't have references back to anything else so they should be garbage collected properly | 17:34 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, is debug mode the only reason WebGUI::Middleware::Session has special handling for Plack::Middleware::ErrorDocument? | 18:14 |
| +patspam | I baked in ErrorDocument as a general feature | 18:15 |
| +patspam | just experimenting really | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | ah, ok | 18:15 |
| @Haarg | i'd kind of like to take as much stuff as is reasonable and stick it in the .psgi file | 18:16 |
| +patspam | rather than having it in the Session middleware? | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:16 |
| +patspam | yeah I agree | 18:16 |
| +patspam | stick to Plack's pluggableness | 18:16 |
| @Haarg | yeah | 18:17 |
| @Haarg | and stuff like enable_if makes is really easy to do that | 18:17 |
| +patspam | I think the reason I put error_docs into Session was because of the debug mode | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | ok, cool | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | really easy to move it then :) | 18:18 |
| +patspam | when debug mode is on, you don't want exceptions to be caught | 18:18 |
| +patspam | so that StackTrace can catch em, rather than HTTPExceptions | 18:18 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI::Middleware::Session now sets webgui.debug, so enable_if can switch out the different middlewares easily | 18:19 |
| +patspam | awesome | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | every time i take a look at another part of this, i see how plack allows you to further simplify things | 18:20 |
| +patspam | the weaken() stuff was from the other day when I was playing with Devel::Leak etc.. | 18:20 |
| +patspam | again just experimenting | 18:20 |
| @Haarg | we definitely need to stick some more weaken stuff into the session sub-objects | 18:21 |
| +patspam | yeah. I haven't found a cpan module I like for tracking down leaks yet | 18:22 |
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| ckotil | found some wierdness today when copy/pasting inside a version tag. i pasted an existing asset to a new location. it shows up even before the tag is committed. so the asset isnt accessible even through the asset manager, until you attach to the version tag | 19:48 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure i follow | 19:49 |
| @Haarg | it was an asset that existed outside the version tag or not? | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, and by "showing up" do you mean that it appeared on the site via its URL (with no revision query frag), or that it showed up in a navigation, or something else? | 20:01 |
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| ckotil | ah yeah, that would help. it showed up in a nav asset | 20:19 |
| +perlDreamer | this was a new asset, or an old one? | 20:19 |
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| ckotil | the asset existed before the version tag. i might have cut it before the new version tag was created. but definately pasted it while working in the new version tag | 20:19 |
| ckotil | old | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | cut/paste isn't a versioned operation | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | it's immediate | 20:20 |
| ckotil | ok. as long as that is expected. i just wanted to make sure that wasnt a bug | 20:20 |
| ckotil | my dead link checker found it ;) | 20:20 |
| +perlDreamer | after that recent spate of bugs on the bug list, I'm not discounting anything for a while | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm fairly sure that you're seeing expected behavior | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, do you know much about sendmail? | 20:24 |
| ckotil | not too much. | 20:36 |
| ckotil | i know its picky when it encounters a hostname mis match. had an email bomb not long ago while renaming some hosts | 20:36 |
| +perlDreamer | does it log all email transactions, or only those that have problems? | 20:37 |
| ckotil | a ton of bounce messages stacked up, and then when sendmail was restart BOOM | 20:37 |
| ckotil | everythign should get logged to /var/log/maillog | 20:37 |
| ckotil | youll see where the message originates from and where it goes. nothign more than that tho | 20:38 |
| ckotil | no subject or body. each message is assigned an ID | 20:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks, ckotil | 21:45 |
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| ckotil | ohh i like the rollback version tag status bar visual in 7.8 | 23:40 |
| @frodwith | call for opinion: should calling setWorking() on a locked version tag die or just do nothing? | 23:57 |
| @Haarg | for 7 probably do nothing | 23:58 |
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| @frodwith | Sanity checks to make sure no one ever has a locked version tag as their working tag: look good? http://pastie.org/923866 | 00:39 |
| @Haarg | seems reasonable to me | 00:49 |
| +perlDreamer | frodwith, would it be easier to just push all the checks inside setWorking? | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | it's encapsulated in 1 place that way | 01:04 |
| +perlDreamer | and all custom code would be covered without needing to make any changes | 01:04 |
| @frodwith | perlDreamer: while technically yes, that should be sufficient, I'm sort of trying to bulletproof the thing -- I have a client site where it really shouldn't be possible to have a locked working tag, but it's happening to them. If for instance you set stow or scratch variables properly, getWorking could return you a locked tag. | 01:07 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 01:08 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r1a77fce / (lib/WebGUI/VersionTag.pm t/VersionTag.t): make it impossible to have a locked working tag - http://bit.ly/cXa4Ft | 01:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam: ping | 23:47 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer: pong | 00:20 |
| +patspam | just back from final house inspection | 00:20 |
| +patspam | we're officially moving! | 00:20 |
| @preaction | yay! | 00:21 |
| +patspam | did you just move preaction? | 00:21 |
| +patspam | (twitter post) | 00:21 |
| @preaction | yep. all moved in madison | 00:21 |
| +patspam | yay! | 00:22 |
| @preaction | indeed! | 00:22 |
| @preaction | where's you moving to? | 00:22 |
| +patspam | Greenpoint | 00:22 |
| +patspam | still in Brooklyn, but a bit more buzzing than where we are currently | 00:23 |
| @preaction | nice | 00:24 |
| @preaction | how is new york city? | 00:24 |
| +patspam | really fun, still kinda finding my way around | 00:25 |
| @preaction | heh, i can imagine. | 00:25 |
| +patspam | just got access to a bike again, so starting to explore more | 00:25 |
| +patspam | (push bike) | 00:26 |
| @preaction | definitely the best way to explore the city | 00:26 |
| +patspam | yeah! | 00:26 |
| +patspam | just a little scary when you're used to riding on the other side of the road | 00:26 |
| @preaction | heh. no respect for bike riders eh? | 00:27 |
| @preaction | oh, right, australia | 00:27 |
| +patspam | heh yeah, the no respect for cyclists thing is universal | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, you're moving _again_? | 00:29 |
| +patspam | heh yeah | 00:30 |
| +patspam | we're subletting at the moment | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 00:30 |
| +patspam | and our area is a bit too far away from the action | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | my earlier ping was for some git help, but I think I have it worked out | 00:30 |
| +patspam | ah ok | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep forgetting to to a "rebase --continue" before doing commit | 00:30 |
| +perlDreamer | if you do the commit first, all the work is in vain | 00:31 |
| +patspam | hmm I've never tried that | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't recommend it :/ | 00:31 |
| +patspam | do you have git status in your $PS1? | 00:31 |
| +perlDreamer | not any longer. I aborted the rebase and did a fresh pull | 00:31 |
| +patspam | actually I don't think that would help in this case anyway | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | uh, no, PS1 = ${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ | 00:32 |
| +patspam | but it's nice to be constantly reminded what branch you're on at least | 00:32 |
| +patspam | haarg has some crazy PS1 magic going on | 00:32 |
| +patspam | little icons for everything | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the words Haarg and crazy magic are not unexpected when used together | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, you bought the condo next to JT, didn't ya? | 00:33 |
| +patspam | sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from haarg | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | if I hadn't actually seen him eat and drink, I'd guess he's just a hologram | 00:34 |
| +patspam | preaction: you going to any perl conferences this summer? | 00:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r2bb4b0c / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/aCeAia | 00:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the forced merge should be fine now | 00:54 |
| * perlDreamer takes Timmo out for a Jamba break. BBL | 01:03 | |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r8b05bc9 / var/site.psgi : Temporary preloading - http://bit.ly/alLOD1 | 02:50 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * recc9967 / (lib/WebGUI.pm var/site.psgi): Think twice before "improving" anything Haarg has committed - http://bit.ly/chd1DS | 02:50 |
| +patspam | my lesson for the day ^^ | 02:50 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: no, i wish. those damned things are NIIIIICE. I got an apartment about 2 blocks away | 03:35 |
| @preaction | patspam: we've all learned that lesson. now if only he would document why he's always right we could learn something ;) | 03:36 |
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| +patspam | Haarg: ping | 20:18 |
| +patspam | performance is fine, that was just me being a knucklehead | 20:19 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, cool | 21:26 |
| @Haarg | actually performance isn't fine, at least not with debug mode on | 21:26 |
| @Haarg | which is less important, but it's still a problem | 21:27 |
| +patspam | oh yeah, that's definitely true | 21:30 |
| +patspam | very slow with debug on | 21:30 |
| +patspam | but I'm not really bothered by that (yet) | 21:30 |
| +patspam | do we even need preload.custom? | 21:30 |
| +patspam | I'd rather put "use lib" into site-specific psgi files | 21:31 |
| +patspam | rather than a server-wide preload.custom, which I have to continually modify depending on which sites I'm running on my server | 21:31 |
| @Haarg | two problems with that | 21:37 |
| @Haarg | one is that the code would be loaded server wide and having it in separate psgi files could hide the impact they might have on other sites | 21:37 |
| @Haarg | more importantly though is that the custom libraries need to be loaded for utility scripts as well | 21:38 |
| +patspam | hmm true | 21:39 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop psgi * r44da1e2 / (5 files in 2 dirs): fix things i broke - http://bit.ly/cj2Nfb | 21:42 |
| +patspam | might be easier if you push direct to plainblack/psgi? | 21:44 |
| @Haarg | i suppose :) | 21:44 |
| +patspam | I fixed some of those things already | 21:45 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop psgi * rd667f72 / (4 files in 2 dirs): fix things i broke - http://bit.ly/99xeq7 | 21:46 |
| CIA-104 | wgdev: Graham Knop master * rbe7e4c3 / lib/WGDev.pm : make sure cleanup doesn't swallow errors - http://bit.ly/9yWfhC | 21:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * rf99f672 / (TODO lib/WebGUI.pm): Minor refactoring - http://bit.ly/9p6FmV | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r5c70ffb / (7 files in 5 dirs): | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Minor improvements | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Updated TODO | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Enabled preloading | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added defaultPSGI to WebGUI::Paths | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Added example of testing site via Plack::Test - http://bit.ly/bk9Fht | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Patrick Donelan psgi * r7510233 / (4 files in 2 dirs): | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Merge branch 'psgi' of github.com:plainblack/webgui into psgi | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: * 'psgi' of github.com:plainblack/webgui: | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: fix things i broke | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Conflicts: | 21:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: lib/WebGUI/Session/ErrorHandler.pm - http://bit.ly/a6kNE2 | 21:53 |
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| @Haarg | patspam, been working on a number of performance enhancements. more Moose stuff than psgi stuff. | 02:23 |
| +patspam | awesome, any significant gains? | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | but i have database and templating back as the top things in nytprof's inclusive time list | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | so that's reasonable | 02:24 |
| @Haarg | also, bash alias: | 02:27 |
| @Haarg | alias nytplackup='PERL5OPT=-d:NYTProf NYTPROF=sigexit=1:start=no:$NTYPROF plackup -e "my \$app = Plack::Util::load_psgi(\$psgi || \"app.psgi\"); undef \$psgi; DB::enable_profile(); \$app"' | 02:27 |
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| SDuensin | Morning. | 16:42 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:53 |
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| @Haarg | morning perlDreamer | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | today is a momentous day | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | oh? | 17:56 |
| +perlDreamer | today, we close the long standing -007 spectre bug | 17:56 |
| @Haarg | oh nice | 17:57 |
| @Haarg | question with WebGUI8 - is there a reason we aren't using ->meta->make_immutable yet? | 17:58 |
| +perlDreamer | laziness? | 17:59 |
| @preaction | not yet. we'll make a performance sweep near the end of the cycle (so Nov/Dec) | 17:59 |
| @preaction | i mean, go ahead, but we'll be poring over every inch of the code around that time | 17:59 |
| @preaction | i want all the features done before then, if possible | 18:00 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of that, who's in charge of the form reworking in WebGUI8? | 18:00 |
| @preaction | well, we haven't gotten that far yet | 18:00 |
| @preaction | i will be working on the asset edit stuff in a couple weeks | 18:00 |
| @preaction | and when someone finishes their major task we'll assign the rest of it to them | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commits/psgi/lib/WebGUI a bunch of the latest stuff here is general WebGUI8 perf stuff | 18:01 |
| @Haarg | more ->get() conversions, make_immutable, speeding up some properties stuff for immutable classes, a couple other things | 18:02 |
| @Haarg | also perlDreamer i'd like to change ->get to use ->can instead of ->meta->find_attribute_by_name. | 18:03 |
| @Haarg | it's slightly less safe but a pretty large performance hit | 18:03 |
| +perlDreamer | hit = better performance for ->can vs ->find_attribute_by_name ? | 18:04 |
| @Haarg | err, yeah | 18:04 |
| @Haarg | stated that a bit wrong :) | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm not opposed to that change | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | anyone here with strange functionality of the admin bar lately? | 18:11 |
| +bartjol | a client of rory was kicked out when adding an article and I had a problem, that the divisions didn't open on click | 18:12 |
| +bartjol | We were wondering whether it might be a YUI 2.8 compatibility problem | 18:13 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rea5e82b / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Cron.pm): Make sure that we can start a workflow via a cron job. Fixes bugs #11444 and #10189 - http://bit.ly/d7tUXz | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I haven't had any problems with the admin bar, unless the helpdesk is on the page that I'm working on | 18:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r18b679d / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Operation/Cron.pm): Make sure that we can start a workflow via a cron job. Fixes bugs #11444 and #10189 - http://bit.ly/b9wXWi | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | mmmm | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | testing my problem | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, would it cause problems if I started porting bug fixes by hand to WebGUI8 branch? | 18:19 |
| +perlDreamer | or is it easier to merge them en masse? | 18:19 |
| @Haarg | merging i would say | 18:20 |
| @preaction | i'd say easier to merge en masse | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 18:20 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r6329abb / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Check for lack of existence of an asset before logging an error. Fixes bug #11526 - http://bit.ly/diOUq6 | 18:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc8414be / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm): Check for lack of existence of an asset before logging an error. Fixes bug #11526 - http://bit.ly/aMUQ4h | 18:22 |
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| +bartjol | mmm, cant reproduce in 7.9.2 (orig 7.8.17) | 18:28 |
| +perlDreamer | can you reproduce it in 7.8.17? | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | lemme have a look | 18:31 |
| +bartjol | adding site..... | 18:34 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r54583d2 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Fix a POD whitespace problem. - http://bit.ly/b5D5rx | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | nope, well it was friday when I saw it after a day of upgrading and migrating | 18:38 |
| +perlDreamer | and beer? | 18:38 |
| +bartjol | nope, the migration and upgrade from 7.7.21 to latest stable (migration was twice, one from the old server in production to the upgrade server and then a second migration to the new server) | 18:39 |
| +bartjol | that makes bart a dull boi | 18:39 |
| +bartjol | perlDreamer: I've got a quicky for you | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | okay :) | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | mmm | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | type a perl installClass | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | in WebGUI/sbin | 18:41 |
| +bartjol | and it shows a installAsset use command | 18:42 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rc0361fd / t/Asset/Asset.t : Remove test for old RSS method that no longer exists. - http://bit.ly/cfeTJH | 18:42 |
| +bartjol | in the POD | 18:42 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol: like this -> perl installClass.pl WebGUI::Asset::NothingMuch --configFile=mywebgui.conf | 18:43 |
| +bartjol | no like perl installClass.pl --help | 18:44 |
| +bartjol | or without the --help | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, okay | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | is the usage statement wrong? | 18:45 |
| +bartjol | yes (installClass eq installAsset) | 18:46 |
| +bartjol | which gives 0 or no | 18:47 |
| +perlDreamer | or undef or '' or () ;) | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | exactly | 18:47 |
| +bartjol | :) | 18:47 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd26a3dc / sbin/installClass.pl : Fix bad POD in the installClass utility script - http://bit.ly/aVELdz | 18:48 |
| +bartjol | oh and Rory and myself were wondering whether there is a specific reason why there isn't a --install option, mostlt for consistency | 18:49 |
| +perlDreamer | No idea, bartjol | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | people will manage, but it could be clearer | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | you could ask the author on that one | 18:50 |
| +bartjol | aah, that would be preaction | 18:52 |
| @preaction | because the script itself is called "installClass". the default thing to do is install something. i do not want to type all that crap out | 18:53 |
| +bartjol | fair enough, but /me believes the POD could be clearer on not needing to specifying an argument | 18:54 |
| +bartjol | but maybe /me is nagging | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | bartjol: patches welcome ? :) | 18:54 |
| +bartjol | ah | 18:54 |
| @preaction | indeed | 18:54 |
| +bartjol | np | 18:54 |
| +perlDreamer | just give us a paste here, and I'll slap it right in | 18:55 |
| +bartjol | indeed, I am nagging, or indeed, the POD could be better? ;) | 18:55 |
| +perlDreamer | both :D | 18:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r033b4d7 / lib/WebGUI/Paths.pm : fix WebGUI::Paths recursion - http://bit.ly/dcbfGd | 18:58 |
| +bartjol | =item class | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | The class name of the class to install. Something like WebGUI::Asset::Yourasset | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | To install a class, only the classname and configuration file are needed. For | 19:00 |
| +bartjol | other functionality, see the options. | 19:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r9c613ab / lib/WebGUI/Paths.pm : more WebGUI::Paths fixes - http://bit.ly/cTI3X5 | 19:02 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, the merge that happened when you updated after the forced update i did on WebGUI8 was bad, so i removed it (another forced update) | 19:03 |
| +bartjol | or http://webgui.pastebin.com/RLK6pCqp for the complete script | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, bad? Why? | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | I thought I was fixing merge problem, not creating them... | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | it merged in your changes, which was in effect reverting some things | 19:05 |
| @Haarg | do you have rebase turned on for pulls on WebGUI8? | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | how would I check? | 19:06 |
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| @Haarg | in .git/config | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | in the [branch "WebGUI8"] section | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | well | 19:06 |
| @Haarg | git config branch.WebGUI8.rebase | 19:06 |
| +perlDreamer | yes,I do have that turned on | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | hmm | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | i'm not sure then | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | can you try updating now? | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm in the middle of a bunch of bug fixes that need to be backported to webgui-7.8 | 19:07 |
| +perlDreamer | but soon :) | 19:07 |
| @Haarg | ok | 19:07 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb4f7bb4 / (6 files in 3 dirs): Do not prevent Assets from being added as children by subclassing addChild. It doesn't prevent paste from working. Fixes bug #11525. - http://bit.ly/buk7BM | 19:08 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r5cc2156 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/GalleryAlbum.pm : Fix a POD whitespace problem. - http://bit.ly/9hq02M | 19:09 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r72a78e4 / sbin/installClass.pl : Fix bad POD in the installClass utility script - http://bit.ly/9dd45Y | 19:10 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r3489f5c / (6 files in 3 dirs): Do not prevent Assets from being added as children by subclassing addChild. It doesn't prevent paste from working. Fixes bug #11525. - http://bit.ly/9G38cq | 19:10 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, updating | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: http://gist.github.com/371220 | 19:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Graham Knop WebGUI8 * r318b6e0 / (7 files in 4 dirs): Merge branch 'master' into WebGUI8 - http://bit.ly/bTwfWU | 19:12 |
| @Haarg | :( | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | that's the bad commit i'm trying to get rid of | 19:13 |
| @Haarg | git pull | 19:15 |
| @Haarg | git reset --hard HEAD^ | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | okey doke | 19:15 |
| +perlDreamer | now what? | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | git log --oneline | 19:16 |
| @Haarg | what are the top few commits? | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | http://gist.github.com/371225 | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | ok | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | should be good to go now | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | git pull ? | 19:17 |
| @Haarg | you can. it won't pull down anything new. | 19:17 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg, how does one handle WebGUI::Paths? | 19:35 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI/lib needs to be in your @INC somehow. the simplest way is to set PERL5LIB for command line stuff | 19:36 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: i put this in my main httpd.conf (not part of any VirtualHost) PerlSwitches -I/data/WebGUI/lib¬ | 19:38 |
| @preaction | er... without the ¬ | 19:38 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd be happy if command line worked as a start | 19:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Couldn't load class (Config::JSON) because: Global symbol "%Config" requires explicit package name at /usr/share/perl/5.10/File/Copy.pm line 100 | 19:39 |
| @Haarg | what version of Config::JSON are you using? | 19:40 |
| @preaction | anyone got the env vars they use to set up App::Nopaste to use Gist? i can't find them | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | NOPASTE_SERVICES=Gist Pastebin | 19:40 |
| +perlDreamer | 1.3.1 | 19:41 |
| @Haarg | WebGUI8 requires 1.5 | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | well.... | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | I got the error that I posted from trying to run testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport | 19:42 |
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, have you updated Config::JSON yet? if not, can you try something for me? | 19:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I have not updated it yet | 19:45 |
| @Haarg | install Devel::SimpleTrace if you don't have it | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | and run perl -MDevel::SimpleTrace testEnvironment.pl --simpleReport | 19:47 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem was that I set PERL5LIB to /data/WebGUI/lib/WebGUI | 19:47 |
| @Haarg | still a strange error | 19:48 |
| +perlDreamer | you want me to do that anyway? | 19:49 |
| @Haarg | yeah, would be good | 19:49 |
| +perlDreamer | no stack trace, just standard testEnvironment.pl output | 19:51 |
| @Haarg | did you fix PERL5LIB already? | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll break it and try again | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | hm | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | looks like perl is loading WebGUI::Config in preference to Config | 19:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so %Config doesn't exist | 19:53 |
| @Haarg | ahh | 19:54 |
| @Haarg | makes more sense then | 19:54 |
| +perlDreamer | there are only 14 failing tests in the Test::Class tests now | 19:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I want to find some kind of deliniation between Test::Class tests, and other tests | 19:56 |
| +perlDreamer | there are some things that don't need to be tested in every class, like getDefault | 19:57 |
| @preaction | anyone got time to test out the new CHI stuff? | 20:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rd46f77b / (3 files in 2 dirs): more work on admin console - http://bit.ly/cfnUZb | 20:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5cdde20 / lib/WebGUI/Session.pm : initial CHI implementation - http://bit.ly/9086qT | 20:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r30e2a85 / lib/WebGUI/Session.pm : finished adding CHI - http://bit.ly/cuaCD9 | 20:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r9015df5 / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : added new cache to original conf - http://bit.ly/b1TkOT | 20:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ref89051 / var/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-8.0.0.pl : added new cache to upgrade - http://bit.ly/aaRrxC | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | no tests? | 20:01 |
| @preaction | if you don't do a full wgd reset, you'll have to add the following stuff to your config file: | 20:01 |
| @preaction | not yet, no | 20:01 |
| @Haarg | oh, perlDreamer, if you haven't already you'll want to update to the latest wgdev from git | 20:01 |
| +perlDreamer | thanks, Haarg. I'll do that | 20:02 |
| +perlDreamer | although, wgd reset seems to be doing the right thing so far | 20:02 |
| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/371295 <- the new config to use | 20:03 |
| +perlDreamer | -8 tests | 20:22 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: what's the minimum recommended version of CHI? | 20:23 |
| @preaction | the current version, 0.34 i think. i'm working on adding it to testEnvironment.pl right now | 20:24 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: POD for Session->cache needs to be updated | 20:29 |
| @preaction | yes | 20:29 |
| @preaction | i'm ripping out the other bits of cache from other parts of codebase (setbyhttp, and other helper methods) | 20:29 |
| +perlDreamer | I'll get the POD piece then | 20:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rcd0fbf8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove subclassed methods validParent and addChild from GalleryFile and Gallery. - http://bit.ly/bm25rE | 20:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rff1cd9f / lib/WebGUI/Session.pm : Update Session POD for CHI. - http://bit.ly/cFvfcA | 20:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: according to t/run_assets.t, bad breakage | 20:35 |
| @preaction | yeah, there's some breaking, i'm fixing as much as i can find right now | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you know why the skipNotification property was removed from Asset.pm? | 20:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I mean, was it part of the merge, or was it a fix for a problem, or something else? | 20:43 |
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| @preaction | it was removed because it's duplicated in the Subscribable role. it should only be part of assets that do Subscribable | 20:46 |
| +perlDreamer | but there are assets that do their own notification | 20:46 |
| @Haarg | it looks like the state of it in master is kind of messed up | 20:47 |
| @Haarg | it doesn't exist in definition anywhere | 20:47 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: how does t/run_asset.t work? | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's handled outside of definition | 20:47 |
| @preaction | it's not working for me, gives me "Can't stat tests: No such file or directory" | 20:47 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: it loads all of the tests in the tests directory, ala Test::Class | 20:48 |
| @preaction | right, but i don't have a tests directory for some reaosn | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, do you have a tests directory? | 20:48 |
| @Haarg | t/tests/ yes | 20:49 |
| @preaction | does run_asset.t expect me to be in the t/ directory? | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 20:50 |
| @preaction | that would explain it then | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | back to skipNotification. It wasn't ever in the Definition | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | I had to add it to Asset.pm | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | there are Assets that handle skipNotification without using the Subscribable aspect/role | 20:51 |
| +perlDreamer | they should, but don't yet | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | so it needs to be there until that reworking is done | 20:52 |
| +perlDreamer | pulling it out breaks the Gallery and the CS | 20:52 |
| @Haarg | well, it got removed from Subscribable too | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | that's because the way it was implemented in Subscribable duplicated the exact database column name and property in the assetData table/class | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and didn't work right | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | when I fixed that bug, I pulled the code out of Subscribable, and made it use all the correct code from Asset | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | the "right" way would be to now, pull the code out of Asset, put it over into Subscribable, move the database column as well, refactor all the Assets to use it. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | but until that's done, we need to put it back the same (odd) way that it was | 20:57 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r43413fe / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm): Put back the skipNotification property into Asset. - http://bit.ly/aLa4b5 | 21:01 |
| kimd | Hey guys, how do I find the right form when testing with Test::WWW::Mechanize if it does not have a name? | 21:05 |
| kimd | I want to test the GalleryAlbum edit screen. Unfortunately, there is a search form in the beginning. And then there is the edit form I want to test. | 21:05 |
| kimd | Of course, I could select the second form. But what if the template changes? | 21:05 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, exactly | 21:06 |
| kimd | Hardcode using the second form? | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | so, you could take each form one by one and check it for the right fields | 21:06 |
| +perlDreamer | or, we update the template so that the forms are named | 21:06 |
| kimd | Hm. That certainly requires some perl magic I am not capable of. But I will try... | 21:06 |
| kimd | That would be even better! | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, so do I | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | make sure the names are very, very unique | 21:07 |
| kimd | Is it possible to assign names using the standard forms? | 21:07 |
| kimd | What about "GalleryAlbum-Search-Form" and "GalleryAlbum-Edit-Form"? | 21:08 |
| kimd | Or rather all in camelCase? | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | camelCase | 21:08 |
| +perlDreamer | we should follow the standards set by The Template Working Gropu | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Group | 21:09 |
| kimd | That means "galleryAlbumSearchForm"? | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 21:09 |
| kimd | Cool. Thanks for helping out! | 21:10 |
| +perlDreamer | You said the magic word... | 21:10 |
| kimd | Hey guys? | 21:11 |
| +perlDreamer | ... tests | 21:11 |
| kimd | :-) | 21:11 |
| kimd | Tatatatah! My first live test using Test::WWW::Mechanize is complete and working as supposed to! | 21:28 |
| kimd | But it's damn slow. | 21:28 |
| kimd | I can click much faster than the testing functions. | 21:28 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, but you won't have to do it every week before I release a new version of WebGUI | 21:29 |
| kimd | You should hire a testing monkey in order to speed up everything. | 21:30 |
| kimd | Maybe I could train my daughter? | 21:30 |
| +perlDreamer | she'd probably get bored and hack WebGUI | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | safer to use actual monkeys | 21:31 |
| kimd | I believe we have some at Novartis. I will ask at the stable tomorrow. | 21:32 |
| kimd | Btw, how would you name the addArchive form? | 21:32 |
| kimd | Also "galleryAlbumEditForm"? | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | galleryAlbumAddArchive | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | different form, different name | 21:32 |
| kimd | And the edit form if it is in "add" mode? | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | galleryAlbumEditArchive | 21:34 |
| kimd | Archive? | 21:34 |
| kimd | I meant the regular edit view. | 21:35 |
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| kimd | But think I got it. | 21:35 |
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| kimd | Btw, wouldn't that be something for the best practices guide to require naming of forms in general? | 21:37 |
| +perlDreamer | Yes, it probably should be. | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | It would be best to make a posting on The Template Working Group forum | 21:39 |
| kimd | But that is a code issue, isn't it? Naming of forms has to happen upon calling of Form::formHeader. | 21:40 |
| kimd | Apart from that I am not allowed to post in that forum. At least I was not in the past... | 21:42 |
| * kimd is getting a refill for his glass of wine. | 21:43 | |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, you're right, over 90% of the forms are generated via perl code | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I was thinking that since it's HTML, we should check with them on naming conventions and the like, and add it to the Template Best Practices guide. | 21:45 |
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| kimd | preaction, I am having a caching issue here. Rotating photos is working perfectly fine. However, the browser doesn't realize that the photo has changed. Is there a way to enforce a reload? | 22:23 |
| @preaction | you should be making a new revision. that will create a new storage location. then you rotate the photo in the new storage location. that way the user can revert if something goes wrong (even though we don't support that yet) | 22:24 |
| kimd | Hm. Creating a new storage location will change the URL and will cause the browser to reload. Correct? | 22:26 |
| @preaction | yep | 22:26 |
| kimd | So, what I have to do is "my $versionTag = WebGUI::VersionTag->getWorking($session);" | 22:27 |
| kimd | Clond the storage location and rotate the photos. | 22:27 |
| kimd | Finally, I commit by $verstionTag->commit; ? | 22:27 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:27 |
| kimd | Clone, of course | 22:27 |
| @preaction | actually, requestCommit | 22:27 |
| +patspam | awesome: http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Dist::Zilla::Plugin::MetaNoIndex | 22:27 |
| kimd | Hey, WebGUI is so simple (and yet powerful). | 22:28 |
| @preaction | and mak... god fucking damnit | 22:28 |
| +patspam | JT is in on Dist::Zilla | 22:28 |
| @preaction | kimd: look at the code in GalleryAlbum->addArchive, that will show you how to do it properly (you have to set some variables in the version tag, the photo will have to be properly approved) | 22:28 |
| kimd | Don't curse! You are endangering your salvation. | 22:28 |
| kimd | I will. Thanks! | 22:29 |
| @preaction | oh, my salvation was a foregone conclusion a looooong time ago | 22:29 |
| kimd | Prefer to go to hell or heaven? | 22:29 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: i'm not seeing where any of the run_asset.t tests are being caused by CHI. did you add the appropriate config stuff? (or reset -d)? | 22:30 |
| @preaction | kimd: doesn't matter which i prefer, i will be burning with the rest of them (or at least purgatory, being a virtuous non-believer) | 22:30 |
| @preaction | no, wait, not purgatory, limbo. | 22:30 |
| kimd | Hey, you are my men. We will burn together. | 22:31 |
| kimd | man | 22:31 |
| kimd | Before we burn - one more question :-) | 22:38 |
| @preaction | k, shoot | 22:38 |
| kimd | Is call to setStorageLocation without arguments sufficient? | 22:38 |
| kimd | Or should I rotate the photo and call setFile afterwards. | 22:39 |
| @preaction | no, addRevision should handle creating the new storage location for you automatically. see WebGUI::Asset::File->addRevision | 22:39 |
| kimd | Ok. | 22:39 |
| kimd | Found it. So the order is: 1. Create version tag, 2. Adopt commital workflow of parent, 3. Add revision, 4. Rotate photo, 5. Request commit? | 22:41 |
| @preaction | sounds right to me | 22:41 |
| kimd | Good. I will try that. (Did I ever say WebGUI is easy?) | 22:41 |
| @preaction | yes, but i don't believe you | 22:42 |
| kimd | It is always the same. You need an expert you can ask. How long do estimate would it have taken me to find out by myself. | 22:43 |
| kimd | ? | 22:43 |
| @preaction | you wouldn't have, until you committed your code and i reviewed it and explained it | 22:43 |
| kimd | That is quite a pessimistic view, isn't it? | 22:44 |
| @preaction | or, before, if you were given a commit bit already (back when we were on SVN), you would have committed it and colin or I would have to clean it up | 22:44 |
| @preaction | no, that's optimistic compared to what it used to be | 22:44 |
| @preaction | ex: the Calendar does (or did) a lot of very bad constructs, because I saw them in old, bad parts of WebGUI and assumed they were correct | 22:44 |
| kimd | preaction, pod for addRevision says that I should use update instead. | 22:47 |
| kimd | Calling addRevision neither has the effect of causing a reload of attached images. | 22:48 |
| kimd | Any other suggestion? | 22:48 |
| kimd | Re your pessimistic view: At least I noticed that there is a caching issue! | 22:48 |
| @preaction | it wasn't pessimistic on you, it was pessimistic on the convoluted nature of WebGUI itself | 22:48 |
| @preaction | i consider myself a damned good Perl programmer, and even I get confused about how WebGUI wants things done | 22:49 |
| @preaction | (which you see in the addArchive sub, or many other subs in Gallery) | 22:49 |
| kimd | No worries, I am not taking it personal ;-) | 22:49 |
| kimd | What about update vs. addRevision? | 22:49 |
| * kimd is getting more wine. | 22:50 | |
| @preaction | i'm looking at WebGUI::Asset::File and it looks to create a new storage location. are you returning $newRevision->www_edit? | 22:51 |
| @preaction | or $self->www_edit (which is the old revision) | 22:51 |
| kimd | Well, the code actually is inside www_edit. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | okay, so instead of returning the current working revision's output, you need to pass off to the newRevision | 22:52 |
| kimd | I do not return anything. But I rely on return $self->processStyle( | 22:52 |
| kimd | $self->processTemplate( $var, $self->getParent->get("templateIdEditAlbum") ) at the end of the method. | 22:52 |
| @preaction | :q | 22:53 |
| @preaction | WIN! | 22:53 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r92cd204 / (10 files in 6 dirs): fix composite cache keys and remove setByHttp - http://bit.ly/cAIG5H | 23:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r970ac61 / lib/WebGUI/Cache.pm : remove old and busted for new hotness - http://bit.ly/9JB8UW | 23:00 |
| kimd | Whew, it's working. Finally. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | it doesn't get double-rotated or go into an infinite loop? | 23:02 |
| kimd | However, I have bad news: the caching issue was not covered by the live test. | 23:02 |
| kimd | No. | 23:02 |
| @preaction | good, i was worried for a second there | 23:02 |
| kimd | Test::WWW::Mechanize doesn't do any caching, does it? | 23:03 |
| @preaction | no | 23:03 |
| kimd | So there is a gap in testing. | 23:03 |
| kimd | I only noticed when I tested manually before committing the patch. | 23:03 |
| kimd | It seems we still need a monkey. | 23:04 |
| @preaction | we will always need one | 23:04 |
| @preaction | or you can use Selenium to simulate one | 23:04 |
| kimd | Do you want me to prepare the patch for 7.9.3 or 7.9.4? | 23:04 |
| @preaction | i should be able to get to it today, so 7.9.3 | 23:05 |
| kimd | preaction, a compliment: you are quite responsive today. How did you manage to reduce latency? | 23:05 |
| @preaction | i'm at the office with multiple monitors | 23:05 |
| kimd | Very impressive. An eye and one half of your brain for each monitor? | 23:06 |
| @preaction | pretty much | 23:06 |
| kimd | Oh no, my code is creating lots of open version tags. | 23:07 |
| kimd | It seems the requestCommit doesn't do anything. | 23:08 |
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| @preaction | when you addRevision did you do: addRevision( {}, undef, { skipAutoCommitWorkflows => 1 } ); ? | 23:08 |
| kimd | No, I just did $self->addRevision; | 23:08 |
| @preaction | otherwise, graham told me you don't need to do all that version tag finagling as long as you do my $newRevision = $self->addRevision(); ... your work ...; $newRevision->requestAutoCommit; | 23:09 |
| @preaction | (see? even i get confused by all the crap WebGUI does) | 23:09 |
| kimd | Hey, were you wasting my precious time? Shame on you! | 23:09 |
| kimd | Still the same problem. | 23:12 |
| kimd | Version tags get opened but not commited. | 23:12 |
| kimd | Wait, was just me being stupid. | 23:13 |
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| kimd | Cool, I think I am really done. | 23:16 |
| kimd | Thanks a lot, guys! | 23:16 |
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| +patspam | "_utility.skeleton does not respect the portable filename characters as defined by ANSI C and perlport" | 23:18 |
| @preaction | uh... _ isn't portable? | 23:18 |
| +patspam | maybe leading underscore? | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | long extension | 23:19 |
| +patspam | ah | 23:19 |
| @Haarg | not certain, but it would make sense | 23:19 |
| * patspam hugs "wgd run dzil test" | 23:20 | |
| +patspam | the question is, do we need a wgd plugin for dzil, or a dzil plugin for wgd.. | 23:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: http://gist.github.com/371548 | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | Moose 0.98, CHI 0.98 | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | i hate UNIVERSAL::isa so much | 23:27 |
| @Haarg | i've never seen it do the right thing. it's always false positives. | 23:27 |
| @preaction | you didn't install Cache::FastMmap (which is required by CHI but is not included as a dependency for some messed up reason) | 23:27 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 23:28 |
| @preaction | i think i added it to testEnvironment.pl | 23:29 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not that way in the repo | 23:29 |
| kimd | preaction, you should receive a pull request in a moment. I believe I am done with rfe 620. Waiting for you positive feedback :-P | 23:30 |
| @preaction | ah. my bad then | 23:30 |
| @preaction | kimd: k. give me an hour or so | 23:30 |
| @preaction | finishing up the support boards for today | 23:30 |
| kimd | You can have the whole night. I am going to bed. | 23:30 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, no it's my bad. I was on the wrong branch | 23:30 |
| kimd | Good everyone. Enjoy hacking. | 23:31 |
| kimd | Good night ... | 23:31 |
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| --- Day changed Tue Apr 20 2010 | ||
| @Haarg | perlDreamer, in WebGUI8, template auto-packing was done with a trigger, while snippet auto-packing is done with around. | 00:04 |
| @Haarg | is there any particular reason for that? | 00:04 |
| +perlDreamer | probably temporal | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | I learned about triggers later | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | ok | 00:06 |
| @Haarg | it needs to be changed a bit, but i'll take care of that | 00:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb7dd49d / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : Double my creates old version tag that is not found outside the scope. - http://bit.ly/b81OUI | 00:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9686021 / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : Double my creates old version tag that is not found outside the scope. - http://bit.ly/b5HmQX | 00:08 |
| @Haarg | triggers get called during instantiation, so it would recompute the packed version every time | 00:08 |
| +perlDreamer | could that be guard-banded by checking to see if the old (original) template was ''? | 00:09 |
| +perlDreamer | mmmm, no | 00:09 |
| @Haarg | http://github.com/plainblack/webgui/commit/13589977f20f4a61645fb70c5eb79ad59e8091e1 | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | actually that may be bugged. it doesn't return the packed template properly. | 00:10 |
| @Haarg | but you get the idea | 00:11 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah | 00:11 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9a9b33b / lib/WebGUI/AssetVersioning.pm : Double my creates old version tag that is not found outside the scope. - http://bit.ly/brvpsi | 00:12 |
| @preaction | http://validator.w3.org/feed/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frontiergroup.org%2Fblog%2Fblog%3Ffunc%3DviewRss <- what... is... this...? | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the output of the W3C feed validator for a WebGUI generated RSS feed | 00:39 |
| @preaction | if the XML parser that consumes that feed is working correctly, it should completely choke on it. | 00:41 |
| @preaction | because it is NOT valid XML | 00:41 |
| @preaction | which would explain why Outlook 2003 can't consume that RSS feed. | 00:42 |
| @preaction | but i'll bet even money that those items are used by other parts of WebGUI somehow... | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | outlook2003 rejected the feed due to the URL, not the content | 00:42 |
| +perlDreamer | it won't take a query param | 00:42 |
| @Haarg | it is valid xml | 00:42 |
| @preaction | there are no items <userDefined1> <userDefined2> ... they aren't defined in the DTD | 00:43 |
| @preaction | so a strict XML parser should and does choke | 00:43 |
| @Haarg | i can't imagine anyone ever trying to treat rss strictly | 00:44 |
| @preaction | nevermind. there's no DTD defined | 00:44 |
| +perlDreamer | RewriteUrl /^(.*).rss/$1?func=viewRss/; | 00:45 |
| @preaction | MS likes to treat the standards as strictly as possible, so they can say "It's not us broken, it's the site" or "it's the standard" | 00:45 |
| @Haarg | there is no standard for rss | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | i mean, there kind of is | 00:46 |
| @Haarg | but there are like 14 different incompatible versions of it | 00:46 |
| @preaction | well, then anyone got a version of Outlook they can test with? because it can't honestly use the URL's .ext to determine RSS feeds, that's what Content-Type is for | 00:48 |
| +perlDreamer | wouldn't any Windows VM have a copy of Outlook Express on it for testing? | 00:49 |
| @preaction | but that's not Outlook, not by any measure | 00:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | I need someone to swear quite loudly and forcefully for a while, please | 00:59 |
| @preaction | i already am. but what for? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm upset about WebGUI8 and the tests | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I suspect that purgeCache (which calls session->cache->delete) isn't working correctly | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but trying to write a baseline test for it is difficult at best | 01:01 |
| @preaction | that's quite possible, let me take a look after i merge kimd's changes (if i can) | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | since you can't call addRevision (to add an asset to test) without calling purgeCache | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's all circular, and then I found some tests which shouldn't be in the Test::Class tests | 01:02 |
| * perlDreamer heads to the showers to cool off | 01:02 | |
| @preaction | well, one thing i need to do is remove all the eval{...} from around the cache calls. if the cache isn't performing correctly, it should be loud about it. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | this is preventing us from seeing errors (like if delete isn't working) | 01:02 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: kimd master * rdd72159 / (10 files in 10 dirs): Added buttons to the GalleryAlbum edit view so users can rotate photos by 90 deg (RFE 620). - http://bit.ly/dnvL4s | 01:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * re60c6fd / (10 files in 10 dirs): | 01:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Merge remote branch 'spunky/rfe620' | 01:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Conflicts: | 01:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt | 01:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.3/root_import_gallery-templates_default-gallery-edit-album.wgpkg - http://bit.ly/9dVaIY | 01:32 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r9636906 / t/tests/Test/WebGUI/Asset.pm : Remove tests that only test Asset.pm, and not all Asset sub-classes. - http://bit.ly/d0J5Dc | 02:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg, preaction: $asset->write should clear the cache, shouldn't it? | 02:19 |
| +perlDreamer | at that point, we know the db has been updated, invalidating the cache | 02:20 |
| @Haarg | clear or update | 02:20 |
| +perlDreamer | if we update, we should have a way to completely bypass the cache so that we can instanciate an Asset from the db to verify everything was written correctly | 02:22 |
| @preaction | i thought i just saw a method to do that | 02:27 |
| +perlDreamer | the cache problem is s/cache->delete/cache->remove/; | 02:28 |
| +perlDreamer | running checks to verify that | 02:28 |
| @preaction | yes. i'm removing all the evals as we speak so it properly complains | 02:28 |
| @preaction | then i shall fix them | 02:28 |
| @preaction | then we should probably have a friendly discussion about some new abilities CHI gives us on the dev list | 02:29 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r841e9d5 / (lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm t/Asset.t): fix purgeCache in Asset.pm. Add a test for it to Asset.t - http://bit.ly/bDmsaH | 02:36 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I preemptively fixed one of the cache bugs so I can retest the Test::Class suite | 02:37 |
| @preaction | ok | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, 14 fewer failing tests | 02:39 |
| +perlDreamer | the user and group caches are clashing | 02:48 |
| +perlDreamer | because 3 is both a userId and a groupId | 02:49 |
| @preaction | fuck fuck fuck | 02:49 |
| @preaction | so THAT's why the damned string literal was used. | 02:49 |
| +perlDreamer | we can fix it by prefixing them with user . $userId and group . $groupId | 02:49 |
| @preaction | yeah. i took time today to actually REMOVE that string literal... | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's probably fine for all (most?) other users | 02:50 |
| @preaction | also, :grep in vim is fucking pwn | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | especially if you use ack for your grep | 02:50 |
| @preaction | plus you can use ack instead! | 02:50 |
| +perlDreamer | so, adding the string literal back in, or do you prefer something else? | 02:51 |
| @preaction | i'll add the literal back in | 02:51 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm worried preaction | 02:51 |
| @preaction | about what? | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep thinking of how easy it would be to rewrite User and Group using Moose | 02:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r165be5b / (22 files in 6 dirs): remove eval{} from caching code - http://bit.ly/c70Fmd | 02:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rb767824 / (17 files in 5 dirs): cache: s/delete/remove/ - http://bit.ly/9Je2hE | 02:52 |
| +perlDreamer | speaking of easy, have you yahoos in your state legislature decided that they are going to build the new rail line yet? | 02:55 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: I think you should start running the tests before committing | 02:56 |
| @preaction | i saw the headline today that they have picked a few different sites | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | went from 17 failing tests to 172 with the last commit | 02:56 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r829bb77 / (lib/WebGUI/Group.pm lib/WebGUI/User.pm): add back string literal identifier - http://bit.ly/bOJ2ca | 02:56 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: 7 seconds too late. but i'll run again | 02:56 |
| +perlDreamer | problems with a method called "flush" ? | 02:56 |
| @preaction | yes. flush isn't the correct name. that's why i got rid of the eval{}, so i could see the problems. | 02:56 |
| @preaction | clear is the correct name. fixing now | 02:57 |
| @preaction | what test should i run? 00_compile.t fails and bails out on me. just run_asset.t? | 02:59 |
| +perlDreamer | I run t/Asset.t and also t/run_asset.t | 03:01 |
| @preaction | down to 8 test failures in run_asset.t | 03:05 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, those are probably mine | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | and there's 1 test failure which is due to the basic Test::Class setup | 03:08 |
| +perlDreamer | it tries to run the test suite on Test::My | 03:08 |
| @preaction | all the t/Asset.t tests are succeeding | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | that's good | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | I added a purgeCache test to it | 03:12 |
| +perlDreamer | but it does some very, very basic testing on Asset*.pm | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | up to the point of doing manual db work to create assets for testing addRev and addChild | 03:13 |
| +perlDreamer | since, a while ago, you couldn't depend on those from working | 03:13 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r5c36973 / (4 files in 3 dirs): cache: s/flush/clear/ - http://bit.ly/9nWoHQ | 03:14 |
| @preaction | it would be awesome if vim could run my test suite and display failing tests in the quickfix window | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | check the plugin section on vim.org | 03:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I bet it can | 03:56 |
| @preaction | it can do perl -c, i see | 03:56 |
| @preaction | ooh, Vi::Quickfix looks interesting | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I'd also check ovid's blog on use.perl.org. He's a perl/vim user | 04:07 |
| @preaction | nothing doing, looks like nobody's done it yet, but though Test::Harness is shitty to hack on, i think i see how to do it. | 04:19 |
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| @preaction | hum. now i'm wondering just how useful this will actually be | 04:35 |
| @preaction | i mean, it'll take you right to the location of the failing test, is that useful? | 04:36 |
| @preaction | not the code being run by the test, but the test itself | 04:36 |
| @preaction | ah... and now i see why nobody's done this: TAP doesn't give a line number, just a test number | 04:38 |
| +perlDreamer | that's odd | 04:39 |
| +perlDreamer | Test::Harness seems to be able to figure that out | 04:39 |
| @preaction | http://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/TAP_diagnostic_syntax <- interesting | 04:42 |
| @preaction | ah ha! the YAML result type! | 04:43 |
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| @preaction | only works when Test::More::Diagnostic is loaded | 05:44 |
| @preaction | which completely fails to work under Test::Class | 05:44 |
| @preaction | well, it works, but entirely inaccurately | 05:59 |
| +perlDreamer | only partially inaccurately? | 06:09 |
| @preaction | no, it gives the run_asset.t line 16 as the line for every failed test | 06:09 |
| @preaction | oh fuck yeah! it works! it works! it works! | 06:14 |
| @preaction | still not for Test::Class, but it works! | 06:14 |
| @preaction | I finally get to release a USEFUL CPAN MODULE! | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe others can help with Test::Class | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | although | 06:14 |
| +perlDreamer | do you think Test::Moose would work differently? | 06:14 |
| @preaction | dunno. it all has to do with Test::More::Diagnostic, but if Test::Class output its own YAML metadata it would work perfectly fine | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | man, I need to write about the wiki improvements for kristi to document up for the books | 06:20 |
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| kaare_ | Do you have a pointer to some documentation about the dispatch cycle? | 10:14 |
| kaare_ | Ie given an url, how WebGUI decides which plugins to execute. | 10:14 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:31 |
| +bartjol | grumbl | 16:40 |
| SDuensin | Uh huh. | 16:41 |
| +bartjol | bastards, all of them | 16:42 |
| SDuensin | You must work in the same place I do! | 16:43 |
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| +bartjol | are you green, wrinkly and have a nose like the bow of the titanic (no, not upside down)? | 16:44 |
| SDuensin | Yea. I kinda feel like that today. | 16:49 |
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| +bartjol | oh, then you are not very close, luckily I have gooey to protect me | 17:03 |
| SDuensin | My Gooey is lucky. He got to stay home. | 17:05 |
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| @preaction | i'm back! yay! | 17:12 |
| SDuensin | Yay! | 17:13 |
| SDuensin | While you were gone, we decided to rewrite 8.0 using GWT. | 17:14 |
| @preaction | awesome! | 17:16 |
| * SDuensin has been working in GWT lately. Awesome stuff. | 17:17 | |
| +patspam | does it let you compile Java to Perl6? | 17:47 |
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| +bartjol | oh, yay! | 17:54 |
| * bartjol thinks mustard after the meal | 17:55 | |
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| SDuensin | Doesn't Perl6 do everything? Can't it run my code out-of-the-box? :-P | 18:27 |
| @preaction | Perl6 will feed and bathe you | 18:28 |
| SDuensin | It ships when? 2054? | 18:29 |
| SDuensin | Or am I being too ambitious? :-D | 18:29 |
| @preaction | you might need to build a time machine, powered by a quantum singularity | 18:29 |
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| +perlDreamer | if Ubuntu is just about the same as Debian, why are there Debian and Ubuntu WRE binaries? | 18:40 |
| SDuensin | To generate warm fuzzies? | 18:40 |
| @preaction | because of the different releases | 18:40 |
| @preaction | they do not keep binary compatibility | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | They who what?! Really? | 18:41 |
| @preaction | really | 18:41 |
| SDuensin | Library-wise, or...? | 18:41 |
| @preaction | CentOS / RHEL keep binary compat, but not ubuntu/debian. one version of ubuntu could use a different glibc than a similar debian | 18:42 |
| @preaction | any binary | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | That's annoying. | 18:42 |
| SDuensin | Guess I've been telling fibs to a buddy of mine then. Oops. | 18:42 |
| @preaction | well, it's POSSIBLE they're binary compatible, but it's not enforced | 18:43 |
| +patspam | hey so are we sticking to camelCase in WebGUI8, or adopting more perlish naming conventions? | 18:44 |
| @preaction | camelCase. we're not going all wacko | 18:44 |
| @preaction | 9 is where we may be able to start killing camelCase | 18:44 |
| +patspam | damn, I wanted to be able to tell perlDreamer that his alias was in violation of the naming conventions | 18:44 |
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| +patspam | wooh! | 18:45 |
| +perl_dreamer | patspam, the closer I get to Moose, the more I use the standard perl naming convention | 18:45 |
| +perl_dreamer | hence, you'll see a lot of that in Definition/*.pm | 18:45 |
| +patspam | yeah, I could sense that happening | 18:45 |
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| @preaction | patspam: where are those screenshots you made? i want to show Da Boss | 18:56 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4505694655/sizes/o/in/set-72157623692891097/ | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | try there, preaction | 19:03 |
| @preaction | thanks | 19:03 |
| +perlDreamer | http://www.flickr.com/photos/patspam/4519587704/sizes/l/ | 19:03 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b6e78f / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): Fix a typo in the deactivate account template code. Fixes bug #11530. - http://bit.ly/9Zwi4L | 19:10 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9d21b07 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Auth.pm): Fix a typo in the deactivate account template code. Fixes bug #11530. - http://bit.ly/9lo5vN | 19:11 |
| @preaction | also, are there instructions somewhere on how to get the PSGI stuff working? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, please try this: | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | checkout the master branch, run wgd reset -d | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | checkout WebGUI8, and try to do the same thing | 19:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I get this error: missing required param 'driver' or 'driver_class' at /data/webgui/lib/WebGUI/Session.pm line 152 | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't happen yesterday | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | but maybe it's just due to the config file reset happening too late | 19:17 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: you need to update your config file. "cache" : { "driver" : "FastMmap" }, | 19:18 |
| @preaction | and preload.perl should perhaps do sanity checks on config? | 19:18 |
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| * perlDreamer goes to the gym, for real this time | 19:20 | |
| @tavisto | get to the gym sissy! | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | I went | 20:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rea9bc5b / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/WikiMaster.pm : Fix WebGUI::Utility method used in WikiMaster. - http://bit.ly/aEXubU | 20:44 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * rc214e5f / lib/WebGUI/Asset.pm : remove some ->get calls - http://bit.ly/9URBmY | 21:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r94fff8d / lib/WebGUI/AssetClipboard.pm : Removing another ->get from AssetClipboard - http://bit.ly/cQJ7JT | 21:25 |
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| Diggy | hello to all | 21:50 |
| Diggy | was aboard 2-3 weeks ago - you were very helpful in getting me through a few sticky points w/ my webgui update | 21:51 |
| Diggy | (no, i'm not looking to borrow any $ from you) | 21:51 |
| Diggy | i do have a new Q | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ask away, Diggy | 21:52 |
| Diggy | both as a way to support the project, and to move me toward becoming a webgui ninja | 21:53 |
| Diggy | i'm thinking about buying a couple of webgui books | 21:53 |
| Diggy | i'm especially interested in being able to customize the look of my intsall | 21:54 |
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| Diggy | now, this is probably a loaded Q, but ... | 21:54 |
| Diggy | will the books be useful toward that end? | 21:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Do you know HTML and CSS, Diggy? | 21:56 |
| Diggy | yes | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Then the books that you'd want are the Content Manager's Guide, and the Designer's Guide | 21:57 |
| Diggy | pD, exactly the tomes i am considering | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | a couple of things to note | 21:58 |
| Diggy | yes? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | like the description says, the Designer's Guide is not a book solely about WebGUI style templates | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so I'm guessing it goes broad, rather than deep | 21:59 |
| Diggy | ah | 21:59 |
| +perlDreamer | also, there may be changes/additions to the template variables since it was last published, so be sure to look at the online help on your site for the exact set that is available to you | 22:00 |
| Diggy | appreciate that | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and, on the positive side, it will teach you how to make templates in good WebGUI form | 22:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and this will save you tons of time later on | 22:00 |
| Diggy | so far, i've just noodled around with the default install | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | people spend lots of time trying to bend the templates to their way of doing things, instead of understanding the way the templates are layered | 22:01 |
| Diggy | i'll try to keep that concept in mind | 22:02 |
| Diggy | my company will soon undergo a name change, along w/ an obvious change to collateral material | 22:03 |
| Diggy | so, of course, web site will change. | 22:03 |
| Diggy | based on our internal discussions, so far, webgui may be the right tool to create a site to deliver the content we want | 22:04 |
| Diggy | but, i obviously can't spend a year learning webgui | 22:04 |
| Diggy | gotta be up and runnin' pretty quick | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | what kind of content do you want to deliver, and how is it to be delivered? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | in addition to the books, there are several companies that offer WebGUI support if you truly get stuck | 22:05 |
| Diggy | ok to that | 22:05 |
| Diggy | our current site is pretty static, but | 22:06 |
| Diggy | must be much more interactive in the future | 22:06 |
| Diggy | our biz partners must be able to enter their own "areas" securely, and e.g. do quotes on-line | 22:07 |
| Diggy | we're a loan company | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | well, WebGUI has a lot of options for user and group level permissions, and it supports encryption on a page by page basis, so that shouldn't be a problem | 22:09 |
| Diggy | yup, that's a good start | 22:09 |
| Diggy | i guess RAD is important, hence i like the modularity of wg | 22:10 |
| Diggy | ok, i'm lazy, so instead of looking, i'll ask ... | 22:11 |
| Diggy | is there a fair amt of user-contributed content? | 22:11 |
| +perlDreamer | in what? | 22:11 |
| Diggy | e.g. templates, etc. | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | All of the user contributed content can be found in the Bazaar area of the webgui.org website: http://www.webgui.org/bazaar | 22:12 |
| Diggy | i'm not looking to be a rip-off artist here, just "getting to market" quickly | 22:12 |
| +perlDreamer | sure, if you can use an existing style instead of making one from scratch it'd help a lot | 22:13 |
| Diggy | no doubt | 22:13 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI doesn't have as much contributed templates as, say, the large PHP apps | 22:13 |
| Diggy | again, suffer me these questions ... | 22:13 |
| Diggy | (and i've done a bit of searching on this, but ...) | 22:14 |
| Diggy | what distinguishes wb from, say. joomla> | 22:14 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r3b6c4e8 / lib/WebGUI/AssetLineage.pm : Set the default state of the created object to "published". - http://bit.ly/dgwm5Z | 22:14 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, on the technical side, WebGUI is written in Perl, Joomla is written in PHP | 22:15 |
| Diggy | (peering cautiously from behind a large rock :-) ) | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: a little help here, please | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI is very tightly integrated | 22:15 |
| Diggy | i'm not a perl maven :-( | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | you don't have to be a perl maven to use WebGUi | 22:15 |
| +perlDreamer | only to extend it | 22:16 |
| Diggy | not even a perlDreamer ;-) | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | nor do you have to know any perl to use the templates | 22:16 |
| Diggy | whew | 22:16 |
| @tavisto | Howdy | 22:16 |
| Diggy | hey | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto, you know I'm a perl bigot | 22:16 |
| Diggy | but a nice one | 22:16 |
| +perlDreamer | Diggy here was asking how WebGUI compares to Joomla, for example | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | what makes them different? | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | I've only got 2 | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | perl vs PHP | 22:17 |
| Diggy | actually, that's 1 :-) | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and large, tightly integrated versus small, and have to build from lots of modules that may not work well together | 22:17 |
| Diggy | you're on a roll, pD! | 22:17 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all I got | 22:19 |
| Diggy | while we're thinking on that ... | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | but mr tavisto deals with users much more than I do | 22:19 |
| +perlDreamer | so hopefully he knows more | 22:20 |
| Diggy | ok. | 22:20 |
| Diggy | if i build my site in a test environment, is it easy to copy to a production environment? | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:21 |
| @tavisto | The biggest initial difference between wG and Joomla/Drupal would be the fact that almost all of our applications are included in the core release. While there are 3rd party applications and user contributed features, ultimately, each release includes quality assurance testing, compatibility testing, and security testing. Drupal does have a commercial-grade release option but that also costs $$$. :) Joomla doesn't have that opti | 22:21 |
| @tavisto | they've been plagued with security and compatibility issues in the past between different 3rd party plugins and apps | 22:21 |
| +perlDreamer | for test->production, you have at least a couple of options | 22:21 |
| @tavisto | WebGUI's flexibility is unmatched in terms of design and templating. There are (html/CSS) templates for everything which mean you can customize your wG site without many limitations | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 1) direct database and file copying | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | 2) use packages | 22:22 |
| +perlDreamer | packages allow you to transport content between sites | 22:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * r7273f70 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Wobject/Map.pm : Provide defaults for the workflowId and the zoom. - http://bit.ly/d5qUoj | 22:22 |
| Diggy | thanks for a helpful answer, tavisto | 22:23 |
| Diggy | perlDreamer: use packages? | 22:23 |
| @tavisto | yep, and it has all of the basic features you would expect from a CMS in terms of security groups, user accounts, etc.. It can tap into an existing LDAP or active directory server if your company is using one | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | packages let you copy content quickly between two WebGUI sites | 22:23 |
| +perlDreamer | say, you develop this awesome style template on your test server, and you want to push it into production | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you set the asset to be a package, then export it from the test site | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | you import it on the production site, then deploy it on the production site | 22:24 |
| +perlDreamer | also, with WebGUI's version control, you don't actually need a test site to do things like that | 22:25 |
| Diggy | is that somewhere in wg? (again, i guess i'm being lazy) | 22:25 |
| +perlDreamer | that's the Content Manager's guide :) | 22:25 |
| Diggy | kewl | 22:25 |
| Diggy | i'll probably buy at least those 2 guides in the next couple of days | 22:26 |
| Diggy | and i hope the purchase helps support the project | 22:26 |
| Diggy | btw, my last upgrade, done a couple of days ago, went smooth as silk | 22:28 |
| +perlDreamer | what did you upgrade to? | 22:28 |
| Diggy | 7.8.17 | 22:29 |
| Diggy | from 1.8.14, iirc | 22:29 |
| +perlDreamer | that should be very, very smooth | 22:30 |
| @tavisto | Diggy, there are a few styles available in the marketplace | 22:30 |
| @tavisto | wG designs really only require 3 simple macros in them and so you can always find and convert designs from oswd.org or styleshout.com, add a few wG macros, and they'll work almost immediately | 22:31 |
| Diggy | you might remember (or not) that i had a bit of trouble going from the last vm appliance build to the latest generally available build | 22:31 |
| Diggy | that's what you all helped me fix | 22:31 |
| Diggy | tavisto, i'm writinfg all this down! | 22:32 |
| Diggy | is there a roadmap? | 22:33 |
| * perlDreamer chides Diggy for not googling WebGUI roadmap | 22:34 | |
| +perlDreamer | right now we're in a stablizing phase for WebGUI 7, getting ready for WebGUI 8 | 22:34 |
| Diggy | Diggy deserves said chide | 22:34 |
| @tavisto | Diggy, I actually misspoke because it's 1 macro and 2 template variables | 22:35 |
| Diggy | even easier (as i can't count past two on my good days :-) ) | 22:35 |
| Diggy | perlDreamer, I will google for the roadmap (no, honest, really) | 22:36 |
| @tavisto | Yeah it basically breaks down into 3 things: <tmpl_var head.tags> ^Adminbar <tmpl_var body.content> (you'll see those in the demo design along with a bunch of other wG macros and a few template variables. But those 3 are required for a style to render correctly in wG | 22:37 |
| Diggy | you people are most helpful, and a lot of fun | 22:37 |
| Diggy | in fact, i'm so energize, i think i'll work for another 15 minutes! | 22:38 |
| Diggy | *energized | 22:38 |
| +perlDreamer | so what is a good synonym for state, meaning sub-part of a country? | 22:39 |
| Diggy | are you really asking, or setiing up a joke? | 22:39 |
| +perlDreamer | no, seriously | 22:40 |
| Diggy | region? | 22:40 |
| Diggy | that's close, but ... | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | that'll work | 22:41 |
| Diggy | do you live in the US? | 22:41 |
| +perlDreamer | I do | 22:41 |
| Diggy | so, did i help you answer a crossword puzzle Q? | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it's just before lunch, and my synonym generator is futzed up | 22:42 |
| Diggy | ah. my brain's asleep, too | 22:42 |
| Diggy | just before lunch puts you on the west coast | 22:43 |
| Diggy | or it's a VERY late lunch | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | no, I am indeed on the West coast | 22:43 |
| Diggy | i'm on the east, but i think i'll have my second sandwich now | 22:44 |
| Diggy | colleague in ofc next to mine also says she has a fruit basket | 22:44 |
| Diggy | go in, shoot the wind, have some fruit | 22:45 |
| Diggy | life is good | 22:45 |
| +perlDreamer | time for me to take a lunch break | 22:47 |
| * perlDreamer will catch y'all later | 22:47 | |
| Diggy | do it | 22:47 |
| Diggy | thanks to pD and tavisto for the information | 22:47 |
| Diggy | ttys | 22:47 |
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| +patspam | http://blogs.perl.org/users/jt_smith/2010/04/the-second-age-of-perl.html | 23:35 |
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| @preaction | you're a total cock | 23:37 |
| @preaction | why would i say that? | 23:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | Haarg: didn't we come across a problem using ALTER TABLE foo RENAME COLUMN bar baz | 00:51 |
| * perlDreamer goes trolling through upgrade scripts | 00:52 | |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, this has you written all over it: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/d26e/ | 01:33 |
| +patspam | ha awesome! | 01:34 |
| +patspam | their photo of "thick crema" doesn't show any crema at all: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/accessories/d26e/images/5501/ | 01:34 |
| +perlDreamer | see, I said this was up your alley! | 01:35 |
| +patspam | "fill the reservoir with the hottest water you can get" *tut* *tut*.. supposed to be 92 degrees for espresso | 01:36 |
| +patspam | =p | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | I've only done steam extraction | 01:36 |
| +perlDreamer | well, hm | 01:37 |
| +patspam | heh, snobs unite! | 01:37 |
| +perlDreamer | I ran a coffee cart on weekends for a few years | 01:37 |
| +patspam | yeah I remember you saying that! | 01:38 |
| +patspam | do you own the cart? | 01:38 |
| +perlDreamer | no, it was owned by my church | 01:38 |
| +patspam | ah ok | 01:38 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, can you run tests from inside Padre? | 01:43 |
| +patspam | yes, but only because you can run perl inside Padre | 01:43 |
| +patspam | it has an output panel | 01:43 |
| +patspam | i don't think anyone's written a test plugin yet | 01:44 |
| +patspam | that would be really nice though | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction wrote a test plugin for Vim | 01:44 |
| +perlDreamer | I wonder if it would work in both cases? | 01:44 |
| +patspam | probably very easy to port | 01:44 |
| +patspam | padre has "project" support | 01:44 |
| +patspam | so it knows where to find your tests | 01:44 |
| +patspam | it would be similar in a lot of ways to the plack plugin | 01:45 |
| +patspam | the plack plugin detects when you open a .psgi file, and gives you the Plack console for starting/stopping the server and debug output panel | 01:46 |
| +patspam | a test plugin could do the same thing, but for .t files | 01:46 |
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| +patspam | and let you set per-project test settings | 01:46 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction was looking for a way to have it take you directly to failing tests | 01:46 |
| +patspam | I added clickable perl warnings for the plack plugin | 01:46 |
| +patspam | you could do the same thing for failing tests | 01:47 |
| +patspam | it just uses a regex on the output and wraps it in a Wx href | 01:47 |
| +patspam | or you could actually hook into test builder and run the tests themselves inside a padre thread | 01:47 |
| +patspam | (what I was describing above would just be calling prove externally) | 01:47 |
| +patspam | the test builder/harness approach would probably let you do much more fancy things | 01:48 |
| +perlDreamer | like parallelize the tests? | 01:48 |
| +patspam | if it's possible in perl, then yes | 01:48 |
| +patspam | what i mean is, it's just some perl code that runs it | 01:49 |
| +patspam | but yeah, padre has nice support for threading | 01:49 |
| +patspam | so you could run tests simultaneously in multiple threads | 01:49 |
| * perlDreamer starts to fantasize about a multi-status bar display as tests are running | 01:49 | |
| +patspam | that'd be sweet | 01:50 |
| * patspam wanders off to grab dinner before his australian teleconference | 01:50 | |
| xdanger | How much changes are the in psgi branch? Would it be viable to port 7.x to psgi? | 02:03 |
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| +perlDreamer | time to fix dinner | 02:29 |
| +perlDreamer | bbl | 02:29 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r112db57 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Change name of MapPoint property from state to region to avoid conflict with asset state. Add template i18n. Fixes bugs 11531, 11532 - http://bit.ly/bToxOn | 03:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r8b9c96f / (5 files in 4 dirs): Change name of MapPoint property from state to region to avoid conflict with asset state. Add template i18n. Fixes bugs 11531, 11532 - http://bit.ly/90g6jC | 03:02 |
| @preaction | Tree tab (asset manager) for Admin Console is almost working! yay! | 03:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r92c2b4e / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm www/extras/admin/admin.js): initial tree view (not working) - http://bit.ly/aORSbx | 03:16 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r8d432c8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): starting on tree tab (asset manager) - http://bit.ly/9xgFt3 | 03:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: MapPoint edit form ping | 04:14 |
| @preaction | sup holmes | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the form_header template variable contains hidden form elements for longitude and latitude | 04:14 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but they're also generated as form_latitude and form_longitude | 04:14 |
| +perlDreamer | should that really happen? | 04:15 |
| @preaction | yes, in case someone wants to numericall... crap. | 04:15 |
| @preaction | probably not. | 04:15 |
| @preaction | are those two used in the template? | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't believe so | 04:15 |
| +perlDreamer | not in the default form | 04:16 |
| @preaction | i remember why the form_header was needed: because the first save wasn't saving the lat/long | 04:16 |
| @preaction | they get set by the JS iirc | 04:17 |
| @preaction | delete them. the JS wasn't meant to work with an enterable lat/long (and will probably break) | 04:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you do realize I'm waiting for you to read some of my code, and rip it apart, yes? :) | 04:20 |
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| +patspam | perlDreamer++ # I'm running passive analytics on > 1 million rows and it doesn't miss a beat | 04:32 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 04:32 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r987ed39 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/MapPoint.pm : Do not make extra form variables available for latitude and longitude. - http://bit.ly/ahxEf4 | 04:57 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rebd7cf7 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Template variable help for the MapPoint asset. - http://bit.ly/bkxsFP | 04:57 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra6e14de / lib/WebGUI/Help/Asset_MapPoint.pm : Use the right namespace for MapPoint help. - http://bit.ly/cY2L8l | 05:10 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re0fffef / t/Asset/Wobject/StoryArchive.t : Search results are not in any given order. Update the StoryArchive test. - http://bit.ly/cfmuEi | 06:34 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r959df82 / (2 files in 2 dirs): More MapPoint template variable help fixes - http://bit.ly/bUjQPu | 06:34 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, Haarg: any objections to proceeding with the release? | 06:35 |
| @preaction | nope, do it to it | 06:40 |
| +perlDreamer | too late! You can't stop me now. | 06:40 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r659990c / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.9.3 release. - http://bit.ly/cYItwM | 06:43 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg: seeing this on 90% of dusk sites during upgrade: | 06:55 |
| +perlDreamer | Re-indexing site to clear out default synopses... Use of uninitialized value in lc at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/5.8.8/utf8_heavy.pl line 123. | 06:55 |
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| * perlDreamer twiddles his thumbs | 07:27 | |
| @preaction | did you get the psgi stuff working on your dev box? i can't seem to get it to work | 07:30 |
| * perlDreamer has not tried psgi | 07:36 | |
| @preaction | figured it out: the cache stuff was wrong | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | again? | 07:41 |
| @preaction | well it's using the memcached stuff, not the new CHI stuff | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 07:41 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe patspam hasn't merged that in yet | 07:41 |
| @preaction | nope. and i'm not gonna mess with it | 07:42 |
| @preaction | if you want to try it out, you just need to checkout remotes/origin/psgi, run testEnvironment.pl, and then: cd /data/WebGUI; plackup | 07:43 |
| +perlDreamer | how about sticking that into a README file in the top of the branch? | 07:44 |
| @preaction | looks pretty mergable to me. i'll add the readme, and ask patrick tomorrow if i can merge | 07:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell psgi * r814f6e3 / README : add instructions on how to try it out - http://bit.ly/a8Bsot | 07:49 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: how much time do I have until the DBI connection times out? | 07:50 |
| @preaction | it only times out during inactivity | 07:50 |
| @preaction | i think | 07:50 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, not going to be a problem, I think | 07:50 |
| @preaction | once the cache is warmed up, it halves the response time | 07:55 |
| +perlDreamer | 30 minutes on webgui.org | 07:56 |
| @preaction | nice | 07:56 |
| +perlDreamer | this is not going to be an easy upgrade in the future | 07:56 |
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| * perlDreamer adds his toes | 08:33 | |
| +perlDreamer | ah, adding the toes did it! | 08:34 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r808a866 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.9.4 development - http://bit.ly/dbDpOJ | 08:47 |
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| +bartjol | be afraid: http://mikepearsonnz.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/norton.jpg | 14:54 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r9c311ad / docs/gotcha.txt : Add usage of YUI 2.8 to the gotchas.txt file. - http://bit.ly/dy4mSV | 18:09 |
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| @preaction | damnit patspam! where you at when i needz you! | 18:10 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, we didn't put the YUI 2.8 upgrade into the gotchas file | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | that's been fixed | 18:14 |
| @preaction | k | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | but I'm thinking we should make a larger announcement about it | 18:14 |
| @tavisto | ATTENTION EVERYONE... I HAVE AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT | 18:15 |
| @tavisto | CANONBALLLLLLLLLL! | 18:16 |
| @tavisto | </quote> | 18:16 |
| * preaction ducks and covers | 18:16 | |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto is skinny like a stick | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | his cannonball is small and unimpressive | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | however, it you wish to see a cannonball... | 18:18 |
| @preaction | damnit. i want to merge psgi so i don't have to mess with apache anymore! | 18:18 |
| @tavisto | I usually do the 1-leg can opener anyway.. and do pretty well | 18:18 |
| @tavisto | you leave the Apache alone preaction! | 18:18 |
| @preaction | that's cuz you're tall like Babe | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: does this look right | 18:20 |
| +perlDreamer | RewriteRule \.rss ?func=viewRss | 18:20 |
| @preaction | it might work. but none of the autogenerated URLs for the rss feeds would look like that | 18:21 |
| @preaction | you might want to anchor the .rss to the end | 18:22 |
| @preaction | \.rss$ | 18:22 |
| @preaction | no, you'd have to remove the .rss from the URL. so : RewriteRule (.+)\.rss$ $1?func=viewRss [QSA] | 18:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r776397b / (2 files in 2 dirs): fix MapPoint i18n copy/paste error. - http://bit.ly/c9cfP6 | 18:32 |
| @preaction | and now i'd really like TT as well, so i don't have to build a series of "currentAsset_something" variables. | 18:38 |
| @preaction | oh, wait, i'm using JSON for this part! yay! | 18:38 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: how would I get a list of AssetHelpers for a given $asset? | 18:40 |
| +perlDreamer | I have no idea | 18:40 |
| @preaction | crappybags | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | at the time when I worked on AssetHelpers, you couldn't actually do anything with AssetHelpers | 18:41 |
| @preaction | true enough. but i'm at the point where i'm starting to integrate them | 18:41 |
| @preaction | but a getHelpers method is pretty straightforward and simple | 18:41 |
| +perlDreamer | this is asinine | 18:43 |
| @preaction | probably, but what? | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | RewriteRules are not Perl compatible | 18:43 |
| @preaction | hum? | 18:43 |
| @preaction | oh, yeah, no | 18:43 |
| @preaction | they're POSIX regex | 18:43 |
| +perlDreamer | s/\.rss/?func=viewRss/ is perfectly valid regular expression and substitution | 18:43 |
| @preaction | you can't do that in a RewriteRule. you have to capture what you want and leave what you don't | 18:44 |
| @preaction | but they are PCRE. PCRE doesn't mean it has s///, just means the syntax inside the expression | 18:44 |
| +perlDreamer | how does one do this with plack? | 18:44 |
| @preaction | probably with a UrlMap or something, i dunno | 18:45 |
| @preaction | middleware to alter the Request? | 18:45 |
| +perlDreamer | how much of Apache are we going to have to reimplement with perl in plack? | 18:46 |
| +perlDreamer | basic authentication, logging, rewrite... ? | 18:46 |
| @preaction | not much, the people can still use Apache as a frontend | 18:46 |
| @preaction | basic auth is not apache, it's HTTP | 18:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | kristi, there's a whole bunch of new functionality release in 7.9.3 | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I owe you an explanation about the new wiki changes | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | ok-I'm not updating anything for that yet | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | but you should give the release announcement a read through for the others, since I talked about each one briefly in there | 19:00 |
| @bopbop | alright | 19:00 |
| +perlDreamer | yay! blog.rss works | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you have to give it the [P] flag to make it work | 19:12 |
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| @preaction | perlDreamer: are you in the modproxy file or the modperl file? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | modproxy | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | um... | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | well, technically this is a source install | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | so no proxy/perl distinction | 19:13 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: then you shouldn't have to. [P] means proxy | 19:13 |
| @preaction | did you give the [QSA] flag? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | didn't need it | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | I tried it with, and without | 19:14 |
| @preaction | yes you do, otherwise any extra query params will be lost | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | the docs for QSA say they're for merging existing query params with new ones | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | and for this case, I don't care about pagination | 19:14 |
| @preaction | i'm saying it's better to be safely future-proof than confused as to why something doesn't work in the future | 19:14 |
| +perlDreamer | well, since the query params can appear in any order, that's going to make the regexp a lot more complicated | 19:15 |
| @preaction | no, query params do not show up in the RewriteRule ... part | 19:15 |
| @preaction | they can only be matched with a RewriteCond %{QUERY_STRING} ... | 19:15 |
| @preaction | pastebin your config somewhere, could you? the [P] flag will cause extra load that may not be necessary, but I don't know why it doesn't work for you without the [P] flag | 19:16 |
| @preaction | (it's not much extra load, but again, better to do it right the first time then have to wonder why things are wrong in the future) | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it's a vanilla config, with Rewrite turned on and this rule: RewriteRule ^(.+)\.rss $1?func=viewRss [P] | 19:17 |
| +perlDreamer | non-wre setup | 19:17 |
| @preaction | patspam: got a minute? mind if I merge PSGI? or at least if I merge WebGUI8 into PSGI so you can do me a favor and bench the new CHI stuff against the current PSGI-branch caching? | 19:22 |
| +patspam | hey preaction | 19:22 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: without the [P] you get "Not Found" right? | 19:23 |
| +patspam | main outstanding PSGI task is to go through the W:G:Http methods | 19:23 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:23 |
| +patspam | should be mostly straight-forward, but until that's done lots of stuff won't work | 19:23 |
| +patspam | for example I don't think W:S:Form is working atm | 19:23 |
| @preaction | ah | 19:24 |
| @preaction | eh, i'm not sure it works in the main WebGUI8 | 19:24 |
| +patspam | yeah i was wondering that | 19:24 |
| +patspam | in a way I'd prefer we merge sooner rather than later, so that we're all working on the common stuff | 19:24 |
| +patspam | even if that means more breakage in the short-term | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, in a WRE setup, you can drop the [P] | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | but in a single apache server setup, it has to be there | 19:24 |
| +perlDreamer | otherwise you get Page Not Found | 19:25 |
| +perlDreamer | even though the rewrite occurs correctly | 19:25 |
| +patspam | psgi is rebased off the WebGUI8 branch, so I already have that problem of not knowing if the errors are due to moose or psgi | 19:25 |
| @preaction | k, can i at least rebase again so you can run some benches of CHI/FastMmapfor me? i tried running benches but I get way different numbers | 19:27 |
| +patspam | sure | 19:27 |
| @preaction | thanks. one sec | 19:27 |
| +patspam | and the answer to the other question is, I'm ready to merge, it's up to you and colin when you're ready to add psgi to the WebGUI8 mix | 19:28 |
| @preaction | perlDreamer: you're right. what i thought would work was [PT] or [N] or something. alternatively, you can try [R], but that may not work right | 19:28 |
| +perlDreamer | [R] will force the browser (Outlook) to redirect, and that should take us back to square one | 19:29 |
| +patspam | might not be able to benchmark today, my grandpa passed away overnight so I have to organise a flight to australia | 19:29 |
| @preaction | oh, i'm sorry | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, I'm sorry to hear that | 19:29 |
| +patspam | thanks guys | 19:29 |
| +patspam | it's ok, we had ample warning | 19:29 |
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| +patspam | sorry to put a dampener on the discussion | 19:36 |
| +patspam | it's not all sad, he had an amazing life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_Muir) | 19:37 |
| kimd | preaction, I noticed that you have merged my branch rfe620 into the core. Any remarks on the code? | 19:44 |
| @preaction | kimd: not really, it works, it's well-tested, and it's granular enough to be generally useful | 19:45 |
| kimd | Ok. That's all I wanted to know. Thanks! | 19:46 |
| @preaction | rebase complete! now to see how badly i screwed everything up! | 19:54 |
| @preaction | not bad at all! and once the cache warms up the response time goes from 0.32s to 0.17s | 19:55 |
| kimd | Working on performance? | 20:00 |
| @preaction | always | 20:02 |
| @preaction | but right now trying to figure out how i broke session scratch in the rebase | 20:03 |
| kimd | Good luck. | 20:04 |
| @preaction | thanks | 20:05 |
| @preaction | at least it looks like it wasn't the rebase that did it, it's just broken in WebGUI8 period. | 20:05 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * ra9ff59d / (3 files in 2 dirs): started asset helpers - http://bit.ly/dAFoWA | 20:06 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r69a7e17 / lib/WebGUI/Operation/Statistics.pm : fix varname in operation/statistics - http://bit.ly/b7iT5j | 20:06 |
| @preaction | ah. testing doesn't work in the psgi branch yet. | 20:08 |
| kimd | preaction, why is exif data stored in JSON format in WebGUI::Asset::File::GalleryFile::Photo? Doesn't that lead to low performance? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | kimd: reading the file from disk would be worse | 20:12 |
| @preaction | but then, i don't believe that bit was ever benched | 20:12 |
| kimd | But why not store as a hash? | 20:12 |
| kimd | Or is it to avoid many fields in the database? | 20:13 |
| kimd | Columns I should probably say. | 20:13 |
| @preaction | what do you mean as a hash? if you store a hash in a database it needs to be serialized somehow. JSON is just our standard way of serializing stuff into the database | 20:15 |
| @preaction | normalizing would be impossible, as EXIF does not strictly define possible fields | 20:15 |
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| kimd | Sorry for not formulating it clearly. I was just wondering why exif data is stored in the exifData field using json format. If you consider the way properties are stored in the database it gets clear, however. | 20:18 |
| kimd | Do you think it would be worth caching exif data in the session? | 20:19 |
| @preaction | you'd have to run benchmarks to be sure | 20:20 |
| @preaction | but all an asset's data from the database gets cached (it just doesn't yet get cached deserialized) | 20:20 |
| kimd | Hm. Probably not worth the effort. | 20:21 |
| @preaction | okay, so the scratch bug is something with caching and starman workers. like they're each opening a different fastmmap file | 20:23 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rbeb2f2c / var/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-8.0.0.pl : set a root_dir so forked servers use same cache - http://bit.ly/bRMK0O | 20:42 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, how does that work for the other cache types? | 20:44 |
| @preaction | memcached doesn't have that problem, tempdirs aren't created randomly | 20:45 |
| @preaction | file caches you'll need the root_dir. dbi caches same as memcached | 20:45 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie WebGUI8 * re9e4b1a / etc/WebGUI.conf.original : add root_dir directive to WebGUI.conf.orig so wgd reset --config does the right thing. - http://bit.ly/cQgNrf | 20:45 |
| @preaction | patspam: wait, did you do the rebase? | 20:54 |
| +patspam | what rebase? | 20:55 |
| @preaction | nevermind | 20:55 |
| @preaction | it seems like i'm rebasing twice here | 20:55 |
| +patspam | I rebased it from master to WebGUI8 a few weeks ago | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, any OSCON news? | 21:00 |
| +patspam | not yet, but fingers crossed | 21:01 |
| +patspam | *really* hoping my new proposal gets accepted | 21:01 |
| @tavisto | me too since you need a 100hr/month rockstar contract with Plain Black if you get it. | 21:11 |
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| ckotil | is there an asset available that will let me do the same as the assetProxy macro, but also let me set new group permissions? | 21:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil: sounds like a Shortcut Asset? | 21:14 |
| @tavisto | I believe you could shortcut to an asset and do an override | 21:15 |
| ckotil | ok thanks. | 21:15 |
| ckotil | i thought that was it, but I long ago disabled that asset. | 21:15 |
| ckotil | time to re-enable :) | 21:15 |
| @tavisto | yep, security should be something you can override | 21:15 |
| ckotil | yikes, that asset is dangerous | 21:21 |
| ckotil | i just deleted a whole site. was able to restore it from the trash | 21:21 |
| +perlDreamer | aw, who needed that site anyway? | 21:21 |
| ckotil | NOOA | 21:22 |
| ckotil | NOAA | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | both of them! | 21:22 |
| ckotil | one of them | 21:22 |
| ckotil | oh i was using the shortcut asset all wrong :x | 21:24 |
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| +perlDreamer | I can see it now: The governement goes to ckotil. "Uhm... why exactly did you delete our site?" | 21:30 |
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| ckotil | heh | 21:37 |
| kimd | How do I install the wgd script using the tar ball? | 21:40 |
| kimd | I tried cpan <tarball> but that does not work. Anyone having the solution in mindß | 21:40 |
| kimd | ? | 21:40 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: jt * r12482 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/Account_Shop.pm: Manual checkin of translation | 21:41 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd, using the tarball, it's just a standalone script | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | you can install and run it from most anywhere | 21:43 |
| kimd | Ok. I understand. Thanks, perlDreamer. | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | on some machines, I have it in my homedirectory | 21:43 |
| ckotil | Im having trouble with this security override in the shortcut asset. Setting the override and shortcuts setting for who can view to everyone still doesnt show the asset(s). | 21:51 |
| +perlDreamer | In addition to the override, is the shortcut itself visible to everyone? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and on a page that is visible to everyone? | 21:52 |
| +perlDreamer | and have you cleared all the caches on browser and server? | 21:53 |
| ckotil | yes. asset is too | 21:53 |
| ckotil | clearing cache now just to be sure. | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | the page layout has a fixed, 60 second cache | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | everyone forgets that it's there | 21:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and it bites you sometimes for testing things like this | 21:53 |
| ckotil | cleared the cache. restarted the brower, same thing. | 21:55 |
| ckotil | view for the shortcut asset is set to everyone. the override shows the new value being 7, for everyone. | 21:55 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, I got it installed. I tried "wgd reset" and received the error message "No WebGUI config file available." How can I specify the site wgd should work on. "wgd help reset" does not return this information. | 21:55 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12483 /translations/RedNeck/RedNeck/AdSpace.pm: Updating RedNeck on translation server | 21:56 |
| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12484 /translations/German/German/ (5 files): Updating German on translation server | 21:56 |
| kimd | No need to answer. I found it. | 21:57 |
| kimd | I should read first and only aks questions afterwards. "wgd intro" is my friend. | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | ckotil, try to set it up on a demo site, and I'll take a look at it | 22:01 |
| +perlDreamer | it's been a while, but you're pretty good at finding bugs | 22:01 |
| ckotil | will do | 22:01 |
| ckotil | hehe | 22:01 |
| * perlDreamer will go for a run to give you some time ;) | 22:02 | |
| kimd | ckotil: perlDreamer is quite slow. That'll give you plenty of time. | 22:02 |
| kimd | If I export a Gallery and re-import on a fresh site, images do not seem to get imported or were never included in the export. Is that intended behavior? | 22:06 |
| ckotil | Its possible my webgui config isnt setup properly for use with the shortcut asset. i should look at a base config too. | 22:06 |
| ckotil | hrmm. works here. http://demo.webgui.org/demo1271876665_412 admin/123qwe | 22:14 |
| +patspam | http://www.cpantesters.org/distro/T/Task-WebGUI.html | 22:39 |
| +patspam | and: http://deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Task::WebGUI&perl=5.10.1&os=Linux | 22:39 |
| ckotil | OK. here's an interesting scenario. I set a an article to be viewed by 'package managers' committed the version tag. created a shortcut to that asset on another page. overrided the view perms to be viewed by everyone and it worked just like on the demo site. | 22:39 |
| +patspam | even if no-one actually uses Task::WebGUI for installing modules, that's really handy info | 22:39 |
| ckotil | so maybe my recursive groups are causing problems. | 22:39 |
| ckotil | NOPE. Layout assets' permissions are getting overrided | 22:46 |
| ckotil | s/are/are not/ | 22:46 |
| ckotil | reproduced it here: http://demo.webgui.org/demo1271876665_412 admin/123qwe | 22:46 |
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| kimd | I am getting nuts about Image::ExifTool. For some reason it won't update the orientation field. | 23:05 |
| kimd | There is an example on 'http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/ExifTool.html' that does exactly the same thing. | 23:05 |
| kimd | Still, calling "$exifTool->SetNewValue( Orientation => 1, Type => 'ValueConv');" results in the error message "Bad format (0) for IFD0 entry 0". | 23:06 |
| kimd | Anyone having an idea what is going on? | 23:06 |
| * kimd needs more wine to solve his problem. | 23:07 | |
| kimd | perlDreamer, I am desperate. It seems that Image::ExifTool cannot handle certain information in EXIF data generated by my camera (and probably also others). | 23:29 |
| kimd | The consequence is that I cannot update values in exif data and write them back into the original image file. | 23:29 |
| kimd | What am I supposed to do? I want to rotate images automatically based on exif information and update the value of the information field. | 23:30 |
| kimd | orientation field, of course. | 23:30 |
| @tavisto | anyone done any upgrades from 6.8.9 lately? | 23:45 |
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| knowmad | hey gang! | 23:47 |
| @tavisto | yo yo | 23:47 |
| @tavisto | knowmad, did you get a success story from MCpolymer yet? | 23:47 |
| knowmad | sorry to be a stranger here but i've been out pushing our wares | 23:47 |
| knowmad | i'll have to check with dionak about that | 23:48 |
| dionak | yes, we did tavisto | 23:48 |
| dionak | i'll send it over to you | 23:48 |
| knowmad | we're about to launch another one which looks great | 23:48 |
| knowmad | i have a technical question this afternoon regarding subscriptions | 23:49 |
| knowmad | is there a way to get a report or list of new registrations? | 23:49 |
| @tavisto | great news knowmad. Thanks dionak | 23:49 |
| knowmad | wG v7.7.20 | 23:49 |
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| knowmad | is there a workflow that can send an email on user registration? | 23:51 |
| knowmad | i don't see anything in the core | 23:51 |
| knowmad | preaction: i saw you just login so am hoping you know if there's a way to give a report of new user registrations? | 23:54 |
| @tavisto | hmm.. you'd think so.. but in settings there's a place to add a workflow On Create User (user) | 23:54 |
| knowmad | yeah, i see that and could use it; just trying to avoid work if it's already been done ;) | 23:54 |
| @tavisto | er actually I guess you'd use "On Create User (Admin)" | 23:54 |
| kimd | knowmad, you can install a workflow that will notify you by mail. | 23:54 |
| knowmad | actually, i'd think i want the (User) version | 23:54 |
| knowmad | kimd: yes, i understand that. do you have a workflow already built that i can install? | 23:55 |
| knowmad | or is there one in the bazaar i can download/buy? | 23:55 |
| kimd | Let me check on our site. | 23:55 |
| kimd | Is it possible to export wokflows? | 23:55 |
| knowmad | kimd: thanks | 23:55 |
| @preaction | you need an activity to send mail that accepts a user object | 23:55 |
| @preaction | kimd: not yet | 23:55 |
| kimd | Hm. I will try to provide instructions in a minute. | 23:55 |
| knowmad | preaction: is that possible to create a workflow that accepts a user object? | 23:56 |
| @preaction | that's what the WebGUI::User key in the "workflowActivities" hash is for, it's a list of the activities that take a WebGUI::User object | 23:56 |
| knowmad | preaction: nm, i see that i can set the Object Type when adding a new one | 23:56 |
| knowmad | thanks! | 23:56 |
| knowmad | so it looks like it's going to require a custom build | 23:56 |
| @preaction | there's a webgui.tv presentation on how to create workflow activities, if i remember correctly | 23:57 |
| @preaction | and if you just make a "Send Mail To User" activity and attach to an RFE, I can add it to core | 23:57 |
| kimd | knowmad: Create a new workflow accepting user objects. | 23:57 |
| knowmad | i was thinking along those lines | 23:57 |
| kimd | Add the "notify something" activity. (I am sorry, I need to switch to English first before being able to give to the correct name). | 23:58 |
| kimd | One moment. | 23:58 |
| knowmad | is there a way to get a list of members by registration date? | 23:58 |
| kimd | Not that I know. | 23:59 |
| knowmad | caveat - without programming (i'm trying to be lazy which is a virtue according to Larry!) | 23:59 |
| kimd | You would probably have to run an SQL query on the database, probably. | 23:59 |
| knowmad | yeah, i see the data is there in the admin console | 23:59 |
| kimd | Would be a nice extension to the wgd script though. | 23:59 |
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| knowmad | yeah, but i need this for the client | 00:00 |
| kimd | Cannot help you with the list. Sorry. | 00:00 |
| knowmad | they want to know when new members register on their site | 00:00 |
| kimd | Still interested in the workflow (if you ever were)? | 00:00 |
| knowmad | yes, that's definitely the best approach | 00:00 |
| knowmad | my client is looking for cheaper solution than custom programming | 00:00 |
| kimd | Well, create the workflow and then add the "Notify About User" activity. | 00:01 |
| kimd | Use something like: | 00:01 |
| kimd | Ein neuer Benutzer wurde registriert. | 00:01 |
| kimd | Benutzername: ^@; | 00:01 |
| kimd | E-Mail: ^User(email); | 00:01 |
| kimd | Vorname: ^User(firstName); | 00:01 |
| kimd | Nachname: ^User(lastName); | 00:01 |
| kimd | as the message. | 00:01 |
| kimd | And add the recipients in the "To" field. | 00:01 |
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| kimd | If you need more flexibility, you could try to modify the activity. | 00:02 |
| kimd | Once you have the workflow you need to activate it under settings, iirc. | 00:02 |
| knowmad | oh, i see; thanks! i'll try that | 00:02 |
| kimd | Go to settings->user. Select the workflow under "On Create User (User)". | 00:03 |
| kimd | This is pretty efficient. The flexibility comes in by writing custom activities. | 00:04 |
| knowmad | kimd: pls translate "Benutzername" -- is that username? | 00:04 |
| kimd | Yes! | 00:05 |
| knowmad | thanks, i've got it setup and will let you know if it works | 00:05 |
| kimd | Cool. | 00:05 |
| knowmad | so are you working @ PB now? i've been seeing your name lately in the forums | 00:06 |
| kimd | No. Not that I know. I just started to work for Novartis Pharmaceuticals. | 00:07 |
| kimd | Just having time during the week now since I commute at the weekends. | 00:08 |
| knowmad | :) watch out, they hire from this IRC channel | 00:08 |
| @preaction | you say that like it's a bad thing | 00:08 |
| knowmad | no, no, i'm not implying that at all preaction | 00:09 |
| kimd | Well, why not. But Novartis is a very attractive employer. Would be difficult to convince me :-) | 00:09 |
| knowmad | kimd just said that he wasn't sure if he was working for you or not | 00:09 |
| @preaction | ahhhh | 00:10 |
| @preaction | well, standard OSS "it's free for everybody" rules apply | 00:10 |
| kimd | preaction! Good you are here. Can we turn this conversation to something more productive? | 00:10 |
| kimd | I am having a problem here. | 00:10 |
| kimd | Suprise... | 00:10 |
| @preaction | depends on what problem | 00:10 |
| kimd | Ever tried to update the exif data of an image using Image::ExifTool? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | nope | 00:11 |
| kimd | :-( | 00:11 |
| kimd | In that case it is unlikely you can help me. | 00:11 |
| @preaction | i know there are caveats | 00:11 |
| kimd | Like? | 00:11 |
| @preaction | they were in the documentation, like it only works to write with certain file types | 00:12 |
| kimd | Hm. Writing to jpeg should work though. Still I get an error message every time. | 00:13 |
| kimd | And I cannot find out why. It seems there is a corrupted entry in the image file I am using. And that prevents Image::ExifTool from writing data back to the file. | 00:13 |
| kimd | Hm. I keep getting error message. No matter what I do. Is it possible that Image::ExifTool just is not overly robust and has problems with all kinds of exif data? | 00:22 |
| kimd | Would it be possible to replace with something less picky? | 00:22 |
| @preaction | if it can do the same things, yes | 00:23 |
| kimd | Ok. I will see if I can find something or at least a workaround. | 00:24 |
| kimd | Apparently, this rfe will not be as simple as I hoped. | 00:24 |
| @preaction | never is, never is | 00:24 |
| kimd | Ok. I am tired. I will leave you for today. Happy hacking! | 00:28 |
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| +perlDreamer | knowmad, I think there's a "Send Email" workflow in the Bazaar | 00:32 |
| +perlDreamer | kimd... | 00:33 |
| knowmad | hey perlDreamer | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | oh, you left | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | hey, knowmad! | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | how are the chickens? | 00:33 |
| knowmad | thanks, i'm trying the suggestion from kimd | 00:33 |
| +perlDreamer | that's perfect! | 00:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I should have read farther on in the logs | 00:34 |
| knowmad | np, appreciate the suggestion; chix are good (laying regularly now!) | 00:35 |
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| +perlDreamer | brb | 00:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r4cf3c98 / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm www/extras/admin/admin.js): tree: crumbtrail and back/forward work - http://bit.ly/bKA4zS | 00:53 |
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| +perlDreamer | ckotil, something is definitly weird happening there | 02:49 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd085d7d / (6 files in 6 dirs): Revoke the previous page-level hierarchial keywords work, in favor of forthcoming work on wiki level keywords work - http://bit.ly/bHg4Fw | 02:56 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ee5c91 / lib/WebGUI/Asset/WikiPage.pm : More keyword page clean-up - http://bit.ly/aGslz5 | 03:11 |
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| @preaction | should we force any default stuff in the import node to have a URL beginning with /import? | 03:54 |
| @preaction | it would solve a problem a user is having where there are multiple domains/sites for one WebGUI database | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | WebGUI hasn't ever forced you to have any URL ever | 03:55 |
| +perlDreamer | why is it a problem? | 03:55 |
| @preaction | because the import node should be shared between the two sites, but there's no easy way to tell Apache that | 03:56 |
| @preaction | or whatever web frontend exists | 03:56 |
| @preaction | webgui.org solved it by not hiding the /wg in front of every URL. | 03:57 |
| @preaction | (back when pb and wg were the same site) | 03:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so there's an asset in the import node mywebgui.css | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | location root -> import -> mywebgui.css | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | URL mywebgui.css | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and they want to access it via domain1.com/mywebgui.css | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | and domain2.com/mywebgui.css | 03:58 |
| @preaction | yes | 03:58 |
| +perlDreamer | but their rewrite rules are writing it to something very different | 04:00 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:00 |
| +perlDreamer | put a shortcut in the right place for domain2 | 04:01 |
| @preaction | that's a possible solution, but think how much stuff is in the import node | 04:02 |
| +perlDreamer | some stuff in the import node has the URL /home | 04:03 |
| @preaction | yes, that i believe is wrong too | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | this change would only be for new sites? | 04:04 |
| @preaction | yes | 04:04 |
| @preaction | it would be part of the build process | 04:04 |
| +perlDreamer | we should also have a test, for compliance | 04:05 |
| @preaction | well, i figured the upgrade script would do it, but that wouldn't work | 04:05 |
| @preaction | damnit, attachments should take assets too | 04:06 |
| @preaction | meh, there's another way to solve this user's problem that would be better anyway: WebGUI::Auth::WebGUI shared users and SSO | 04:06 |
| @preaction | so forget i said anything | 04:07 |
| @preaction | and the user knows Perl, so maybe they'll try it | 04:07 |
| +perlDreamer | the test is easy | 04:15 |
| @preaction | yeah, but compliance isn't as easy | 04:19 |
| @preaction | plus the TWG has their desires for css/ images/ js/ | 04:20 |
| +perlDreamer | but surely TWG wouldn't object to us making WebGUI easier to bend | 04:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r79fea5b / (5 files in 3 dirs): Refactor out synopsis code from Post to make a new AssetAspect. Have the WikiPage start using it, and assigning synopses to pages. - http://bit.ly/cDPjbh | 04:25 |
| * perlDreamer is out for a while | 04:28 | |
| @preaction | well, their putting things in images, js, and css will accomplish the same thing | 04:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r2511dcb / lib/WebGUI/AssetAspect/Subscribable.pm : Missing use line for WebGUI::Mail::Send. - http://bit.ly/9yCoim | 04:35 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raa41440 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-7.9.4.pl : Give each existing wiki page a synopsis. - http://bit.ly/cteT1U | 04:41 |
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| +perlDreamer | is it possible for a 10 year old boy to shower in less than 15 minutes? | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | the world is about to find out! | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | because if he doesn't make it, I promised to dump a bucket of ice water into the shower | 05:46 |
| +perlDreamer | I keep thinking that with the right set of metadata, we could start doing some really cool things with the templates | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | if we knew which template name spaces mapped to which Help topics | 05:58 |
| +perlDreamer | then we would know which variables were valid, and which ones weren't | 05:58 |
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| elnino | Good morning! | 07:55 |
| elnino | is pb working on a new shopping cart? | 07:56 |
| elnino | is that a rewrite? or template updates? | 07:56 |
| elnino | when is that supposed to be coming out? | 07:56 |
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| +MrHairgrease | howdy! | 16:28 |
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| +MrHairgrease | quick question. Is it possible to use getlineage to fetch all assets that do a certain aspect? | 16:29 |
| SDuensin | It's Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays. | 16:30 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, this'll prolly do the trick: | 16:33 |
| +MrHairgrease | whereClause => 'assetId in (select distinct assetId from assetAspectMailable)' | 16:33 |
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| +perlDreamer | wow, JT made perlbuzz | 19:31 |
| +perlDreamer | http://blogs.perl.org/users/jt_smith/2010/04/the-second-age-of-perl.html | 19:31 |
| @preaction | that's so yesterday! omg! | 19:33 |
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| @frodwith | miyagawa tweeted about him too | 19:52 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, retweets don't count | 20:59 |
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| danny_mk | Hello everyone | 22:19 |
| danny_mk | is there a way to manually execute the individual update scripts in /data/WebGUI/docs/upgrades and upgrade a site? | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | sure | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | each upgrade script needs a config file | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you just pass it to them | 22:20 |
| +perlDreamer | you also need to take care of the administrative work that the upgrade.pl script does | 22:21 |
| * perlDreamer has to make lunch, bll | 22:21 | |
| danny_mk | OK, thank you | 22:24 |
| +patspam | love the "Have experience using Plack and PSGI" at http://ow.ly/178ZMI | 22:27 |
| +patspam | I think you should apply frodwith | 22:33 |
| @preaction | you're too late, his soul is already ours | 22:37 |
| @tavisto | preaction, did you hear from the contact? | 22:39 |
| @preaction | tavisto: yep, replying now | 22:39 |
| @tavisto | wonderful, thanks | 22:39 |
| @tavisto | We need a newer VM appliance than 7.6... who wants to do it! (hehe) | 22:40 |
| @tavisto | *tavisto looks around the channel..... * "patspam, you are the big winner!" | 22:40 |
| @preaction | well, she's not using the appliance. she's got her own VM that she's installing the WRE onto | 22:41 |
| @tavisto | I see.. well that does have decent install instructions | 22:42 |
| @preaction | well, it's different if you can't reach the intarwebs (automated install won't work) | 22:43 |
| +patspam | wgd guid -n 1000 | grep '[^AQwg]$' | 22:46 |
| +patspam | somewhat concerning | 22:46 |
| @preaction | damnit. freenode doesn't allow mibbit anymore/ | 22:47 |
| +patspam | Haarg: ^^ | 22:47 |
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| qwebirc72151 | awesome. awesome to the max | 22:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | patspam, that's odd | 22:56 |
| +patspam | yeah, I think I noticed it because I've been reading a book on cryptography and there's lots of talk about spotting patterns | 22:57 |
| +patspam | awesome book btw (http://tinyurl.com/5h99mh) | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | the randomness is being affected, since the time, process and filename are constant | 22:59 |
| +perlDreamer | fortunately, it isn't very exploitable | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since only 2 of those factors are under an attacker's control | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | and even if you could predict a GUID, what would you do with it? | 23:00 |
| +perlDreamer | you can't create another user, since userId is unique in the db | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | same with groups, and assets | 23:01 |
| elnino_ | hi all!. At one point I heard that the shop being overhauled? is it mostly template work? or is the code being rewritten? when is theexpected release? | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what's the shop? | 23:01 |
| +patspam | I wonder if there's any good reason not to use Data::UUID->new->create_b64() | 23:06 |
| elnino_ | perlDreamer: shop in webgui. | 23:08 |
| elnino_ | the whole process of purchasing someting via the shop isn't very friendly at all. | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino_, if enough pressure comes from the community, I know that WebGUI's shop will be upgraded to be more user friendly | 23:12 |
| @frodwith | patspam: I did apply. Like a year ago. | 23:12 |
| @frodwith | I got hired | 23:12 |
| +perlDreamer | you poor fool | 23:12 |
| @frodwith | I know, right? Worst decision I ever made. | 23:12 |
| * elnino_ looks to see if there is an rfe | 23:13 | |
| +perlDreamer | I hear the office is nice, though. | 23:17 |
| +patspam | maybe we can convince kimd or another german webgui hacker to attend LinuxTag with gabor | 23:21 |
| +patspam | http://szabgab.com/blog/2010/04/1271829580.html | 23:21 |
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| +patspam | "It would be awesome to show at least one Content Management System" | 23:21 |
| elnino_ | how does one apply pressure for a "upgrade/revamp" ? There are a bunch of rfes out there. Sould I make a global one? | 23:22 |
| +perlDreamer | well, the highest pressure is $$ | 23:24 |
| +perlDreamer | patspam, berlin is pretty far from where kimd lives now | 23:26 |
| +perlDreamer | he's at the far, southwest corner of Germany | 23:26 |
| +patspam | ah ok | 23:26 |
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| +perlDreamer | but maybe KlausH, or Getty or someone | 23:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r827565c / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Prevent redundant display of the address in the cart, unless it's separate from the per cart address. - http://bit.ly/dfcrys | 23:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1bd9a51 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/AddressBook.pm : More AddressBook cleanup from removal of the sessionId. - http://bit.ly/9WhzAf | 23:33 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r747fa8c / docs/gotcha.txt : Begin documenting Shop changes. - http://bit.ly/9DIV6S | 23:33 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * re8079fe / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm): Prevent redundant display of the address in the cart, unless it's separate from the per cart address. - http://bit.ly/9JniRJ | 23:34 |
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| @preaction | elnino_: what's the issue you want fixed? | 23:38 |
| @preaction | if it's the RFE you just posted to, that's pretty simple and i could hammer it out right now | 23:41 |
| @preaction | otherwise, if it's the fact that Cart has about a 12-step process (that's more difficult than AA's 12-step), colin is actually working on that right now | 23:41 |
| elnino_ | It's just really clunky (I think that is more of a template issue), and difficult to navigate, and there are good suggestions out there on the rfe that I would add to my list. I've come across ecwid.com and been using that. ecwid is a good example what what I'm looking for. | 23:41 |
| elnino_ | yes, 12 step process = bad. | 23:42 |
| elnino_ | =) | 23:42 |
| @preaction | yes, we are working on that. wait until 7.9.4 is released, then take a look and see if there's anything else you want changed | 23:42 |
| elnino_ | Good to know it's being worked on. | 23:42 |
| elnino_ | oh perfect! Thanks! | 23:42 |
| @preaction | i'd like to remove the necessity for a user account (admin-toggleable of course), but that's a more involved process | 23:43 |
| elnino_ | yes, that would be good too. I think people either get confused, or get turned off by that requirement. | 23:46 |
| elnino_ | hey I have a good idea!! is there a widget I can put on my website to encourage additional karma for my rfes? | 23:49 |
| @preaction | there isn't yet | 23:51 |
| elnino_ | ok. I'll create a rfe. | 23:51 |
| @preaction | http://drupal.org/project/node_embed <- the whitehouse created AssetProxy for Drupal | 23:56 |
| @tavisto | yeah I saw that article today on zdnet.. ugh | 23:58 |
| @preaction | http://drupal.org/project/context <- the whitehouse created Style Templates for Drupal | 23:58 |
| @preaction | i mean, it's AMAZING and AWESOME that they are contributing back OSS, but they're not using WebGUI :( | 23:58 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, get busy with that! | 00:01 |
| * perlDreamer goes to pick up kiddos from school | 00:01 | |
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| @tavisto | hey I'm working on the Air Force at the moment.. stupid white house | 00:21 |
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| +perlDreamer | tavisto, with the air force on our side, no one will challenge us | 00:55 |
| @tavisto | the air force's very own website is flash sweetness though | 00:55 |
| +perlDreamer | bbiaw, have to run downtown | 01:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | back | 02:37 |
| +perlDreamer | phew | 02:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, bridging forms across a table boundary is very, very bad | 05:46 |
| @preaction | yes, yes it is | 05:46 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfbefeaf / (5 files in 4 dirs): Require that the user be logged in before entering in address info. Refactor out address form into a method that can called multiple times. - http://bit.ly/9VdTwm | 06:02 |
| +perlDreamer | I'm going to pack it in for tonight | 06:22 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all tomorrow | 06:22 |
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| DannyButterman | Hi there. How can I make a form that let me send a variable identifying a row in the form, having n rows in the form ? The purpose is to delete this very row upon form submission, and then reload the same page | 14:32 |
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| SDuensin | FRIDAY! | 16:16 |
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| +MrHairgrease | hey patspam | 16:52 |
| +patspam | hey martin | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | plackup -s AnyEvent -a app.psgi | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | Can't locate Plack/Handler/AnyEvent.pm in @INC | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | PLack::Handler::AnyEvent doesn't seem to exist on cpan | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | any idea what's wrong? | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh there are a number of em | 16:53 |
| +patspam | yeah | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | but which one do I need | 16:53 |
| +patspam | AnyEvent::HTTPD | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | thanks | 16:54 |
| +patspam | AnyEvent::ReverseHTTP, etc.. | 16:54 |
| +patspam | you can choose them from the drop-down menu if you use the plack plugin for padre ;) | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | still using vim here | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | when I tried padre the last time it din't really work well for me | 16:54 |
| +MrHairgrease | damn still the same error | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | never mind | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | Got it started | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | cool | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | it streams =) | 16:57 |
| +patspam | what are you running? | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | just the grunt test page thingy | 16:58 |
| +patspam | ah nice | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | and yui3 | 16:58 |
| +patspam | the psgi branch of webgui streams now too | 16:58 |
| +patspam | although only if assets use the new streaming interface | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are going for the hippest wgdev award? | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | haven't checked that out yet | 16:58 |
| +patspam | hopefully will get merged into webgui8 soon | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | I haven't done much work on webgui itself at all lately =( | 16:59 |
| +patspam | I know the feeling, I was out of action for about 4 months at the start of the year | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that might change in a few weeks depending on how projects go | 16:59 |
| +patspam | yeah, i had to wait until work stabilised so that I could find free time for wg hacking again | 16:59 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then I only work three days a week at oqapi | 17:00 |
| +patspam | damn! | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | the other two days have nothing to do with programming | 17:00 |
| +patspam | you still studying? | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | Nope | 17:00 |
| +patspam | running a hair salon? | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe, no. I work at mapper lithography | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | Which is actually very bad for the haircut | 17:01 |
| +patspam | "Working at MAPPER Lithography means participating in high-level team work to build a sophisticated machine" | 17:01 |
| +MrHairgrease | so they say | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | and they are right i guess | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | all in all it's a nice mix of two completely different things | 17:02 |
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| +MrHairgrease | but it leaves less time for both/... | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | How does the xhr streaming work? | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | you just keep open the connection and let json packets flow in? | 17:04 |
| +patspam | sorry phone rang | 17:05 |
| +patspam | yeah, server push | 17:05 |
| +patspam | "multi-part" in that the response is made up of lots of smaller responses | 17:06 |
| +patspam | with boundaries | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | yui2 can't handle that right? | 17:06 |
| +patspam | probably just need to code up something for it | 17:06 |
| +patspam | even yui3 needs a plugin | 17:06 |
| +patspam | you parse the xhr response as it's coming in | 17:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | oh yeah, I see the response in firebug | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | now | 17:07 |
| +patspam | not really much more sophisticated than the way we do StatusBar in webgui 7 | 17:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's different | 17:07 |
| +patspam | except that you parse it in JS rather than getting the browser to parse it | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | there you stream out script tags | 17:08 |
| +patspam | yeah, same concept in my mind, script tags are the boundaries | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | true, but the connection manager only has a succes handler | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | you can only parse the json when the stream is finiished | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 17:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | fine by me =) | 17:09 |
| +patspam | yeah, you'd need to hook into yui at a lower level, or maybe do your own xhr | 17:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | that would prolly work indeed | 17:09 |
| +patspam | I guess that's what the yui3 plugin does.. haven't looked at the source though | 17:10 |
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| +perlDreamer | hello, good WebGUI folk | 18:04 |
| @preaction | morning | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | GREASINGS! | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | This morning I'm very pleased to say that nothing is barfing in the perlDreamer household | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | Not boy, nor beast | 18:06 |
| @preaction | yay! | 18:08 |
| * MrHairgrease is only borking stuff | 18:09 | |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, I thought only Swedish people "bork"ed stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | they sure do | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | still i like chocolate moose better | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRIwuxqKyyk | 18:16 |
| +perlDreamer | I prefer chocolate mousse myself. I think moose has too much hair. | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and you call yourself a perl programmer?!?! | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | you didn't say camel! | 18:18 |
| @preaction | orange you glad i didn't say banana? | 18:18 |
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| +perlDreamer | and technically, it's perl "hacker" | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | to be a "programmer" you have to be all Computer Sciencie | 18:23 |
| @preaction | you break into systems? i used to think you were cool | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | it's 65F in the house, I'm quite cool | 18:23 |
| * MrHairgrease thinks perlDreamer is a scripter | 18:24 | |
| @tavisto | stripper you mean | 18:45 |
| @tavisto | lunch.. ttyl | 18:45 |
| @preaction | Tree view done. moving on the fixing www_edit | 19:00 |
| @preaction | and might as well fix editSave and www_add while i'm in here... | 19:01 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * r794c85c / (www/extras/admin/admin.css www/extras/admin/admin.js): tree view works. fixed dirty frame handling - http://bit.ly/aVheJ3 | 19:01 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1b1e079 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Shipping and billing address forms are now in the cart if you're logged in. - http://bit.ly/a3szOt | 20:26 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r78fab2d / (2 files in 2 dirs): Do not display any shipping information unless a product in the cart requires it. Code with template changes. - http://bit.ly/dgy5lr | 20:52 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell WebGUI8 * rcbb5c7a / (lib/WebGUI/Admin.pm www/extras/admin/admin.js): begin edit form - http://bit.ly/dfZs9O | 21:43 |
| ckotil | anyone ever see this from a mysqldump ? ' ERROR at line 3726: Unknown command '\''. | 21:43 |
| ckotil | when importing the dump. | 21:43 |
| @preaction | yes. it means your dump is unimportable as-is | 21:43 |
| @preaction | usually it's because of the assetIndex table | 21:44 |
| ckotil | yeah, its at an assetIndex insert statement | 21:44 |
| @preaction | mysqldump makes no guarantees that the dump it creates can actually be imported. isn't that fun? | 21:44 |
| ckotil | think re-indexing my site will help ? | 21:44 |
| @preaction | no | 21:44 |
| ckotil | tons of fun. | 21:44 |
| @preaction | you'll have to delete the assetIndex (or not dump it, see --tables and --exclude), and then rebuild the index after you reload the dump | 21:44 |
| @preaction | OR | 21:44 |
| @preaction | you can shut down mysql, and copy the raw data files | 21:45 |
| @preaction | which is faster | 21:45 |
| ckotil | ooohh options! thanks preaction | 21:45 |
| ckotil | ill pry just exclude the table | 21:45 |
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| ckotil | opened up the dump in vim, and deleted most of the assetIndex insert statements. got it to import. thanks for helping me identify that | 21:50 |
| * perlDreamer goes running, and ponders the various meaning of shopping cart address persistance | 21:51 | |
| @preaction | np. i'm bit by that all the damn time | 21:51 |
| ckotil | in the past when ive seen it. i could usually dump the db again, and it would import fine. not this time tho. | 21:51 |
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| @preaction | frodwith, perlDreamer, comments on this? I want to make it easy to build a wizard (because our current WebGUI::Content::Setup is a mass of spaghetti) http://gist.github.com/377031 | 22:25 |
| @preaction | mainly the "steps" part | 22:26 |
| ckotil | any doc's on cleaning up old file asset revisions? my dev VM is getting tight on space | 22:26 |
| @preaction | ckotil: not really. you could change the setting on the Clean Up Old Revisions workflow activity | 22:27 |
| ckotil | i tried running that. its set to 1 year. but i can still get to revisions for article assets from 2 years ago | 22:27 |
| ckotil | workflow finishes cleanly too | 22:28 |
| @preaction | it won't delete the only approved revision | 22:28 |
| @preaction | and i think there was a bug in that thing in older webguis, but i'm not sure | 22:28 |
| ckotil | ;) | 22:28 |
| ckotil | ok cool | 22:28 |
| ckotil | i guess it does work then | 22:28 |
| @frodwith | preaction: I have a code nitpick, but I'm not sure if that's what your after | 22:29 |
| @preaction | frodwith: that is what i'm after. i want this to survive and not need rewriting | 22:29 |
| @frodwith | prefer builder to overridden defaults | 22:29 |
| @preaction | i'm thinking www_askForName should return a WebGUI::FormBuilder object too, instead of just HTML | 22:30 |
| @preaction | i'd prefer a WebGUI::Template object, but we haven't made that one yet. | 22:30 |
| @frodwith | i dunno, if you return html you're not restricting it to form elements | 22:30 |
| @preaction | true. and it'd be easy enough to add the proper WebGUI::Template object later and still maintain backcompat | 22:31 |
| @frodwith | so someone could like process a template in there | 22:31 |
| @frodwith | or something | 22:31 |
| @preaction | right, agreed | 22:32 |
| @frodwith | is it possible to override the outer bits of the form? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | frodwith: what do you mean by builder? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | and why would you need / want to? | 22:33 |
| @preaction | i could make it so you have to add the whole form, but then you'd have to set the func= appropriately | 22:34 |
| @preaction | i could also make it so there's a helper method to prebuild a WebGUI::FormBuilder object populated with the right stuff that could then be overridden if you want to skip a step | 22:34 |
| @frodwith | http://pastie.org/932077 | 22:35 |
| @preaction | ah | 22:35 |
| @frodwith | well, say you wanted to add some fluff around the actual form part | 22:36 |
| @frodwith | a div or something, or a whole page, who knows | 22:36 |
| @preaction | right. though you could add it inside the form, that might make the page difficult to style | 22:37 |
| @frodwith | right, and you can't say... nest forms | 22:37 |
| @preaction | yeah, so if you wanted one form to go to one step, and another form to go to another step, it wouldn't work. or even one form to completely exit from the wizard and submit to something entirely different | 22:37 |
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| @frodwith | right | 22:38 |
| @preaction | damnit. can't use FormBuilder, i'm not in 8... | 22:38 |
| @frodwith | but anywho, if you factor out the method that generates the form | 22:40 |
| @preaction | damnit. can't use Moose, I'm not in 8... | 22:40 |
| @preaction | fucking 7 fuck fuck fuck. | 22:40 |
| @frodwith | the 90% case would be override whateverTheMethodIs => sub { 'some fluff' . super() . 'some more fluff' }; | 22:40 |
| @preaction | i will design it so that it will be easy to put moose into it! yay! | 22:40 |
| @preaction | well, the form won't be autogenerated based on a definition (yet). | 22:41 |
| @frodwith | the part that generates the outer bit, i mean | 22:42 |
| @preaction | ahh | 22:42 |
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| @preaction | http://gist.github.com/377111 <- frodwith, perlDreamer. better mockup of WebGUI::Wizard | 23:18 |
| @frodwith | looks reasonable to me | 23:33 |
| +perlDreamer | much mejor | 23:41 |
| +perlDreamer | still gotta lose the Moose at the end, though | 23:41 |
| @preaction | oh yeah, that's just an example | 23:42 |
| @preaction | i'm building the tests now, which will be a better example | 23:42 |
| @preaction | then the Setup wizard and the Site Starter (now the Home Page) wizard will be migrated | 23:43 |
| @preaction | so dreamersGirl will get her RFE! | 23:43 |
| +perlDreamer | w00t! | 23:43 |
| @preaction | oh, need a routine to set/get wizard props and store in session scratch | 23:45 |
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| +patspam | ha, confusing myself with the different semicolons in: <a href="u();/<tmpl_var X>;func=blah"> | 00:37 |
| @preaction | heh | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have been funnier if you'd said: | 00:39 |
| +perlDreamer | ha; confusing myself with the different semicolons in: <a href="u();/<tmpl_var X>;func=blah"> | 00:39 |
| @preaction | ATTACK OF THE WINKING EMOTICONS! | 00:40 |
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| +patspam | oh noes, facebook is down! | 01:05 |
| +patspam | RUN FOR THE HILLS! | 01:05 |
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| +perlDreamer | It's the earth, getting even for all the pollution and warming | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | First, it was storms, then earthquakes, then economic ruin and now, facebook! | 01:23 |
| +perlDreamer | when will the madness end?? | 01:23 |
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| Mech422 | Hi ;-) | 01:53 |
| Mech422 | It appears that generic errors like permission errors get wrapped in the sites style, but not its layout ? Is there an attribute of tmp_var body (like body.content has the page content...) I can use to tell if an error is being displayed ? | 01:54 |
| @preaction | no. but they specifically get wrapped in the User Style | 01:55 |
| @preaction | which is settable in the settings | 01:55 |
| @preaction | but you should not have a style that requires a layout to function properly (as there is not always a layout) | 01:56 |
| Mech422 | preaction: Umm - then that should probably be more strenuously noted in the books | 01:56 |
| @preaction | which "that"? | 01:56 |
| Mech422 | that you should not have a style that requieres a layout to function properly | 01:57 |
| Mech422 | I didn' | 01:57 |
| Mech422 | I didn't see a "don't do this it will cripple your site" anywhere ... so I did it :-P | 01:57 |
| Mech422 | anyway, I fuxor something out - I was just curious if there was a body.error or something I could test for | 01:57 |
| @preaction | well, it may or may not cripple your site. who's to know? | 01:58 |
| @preaction | no. i'd prefer there be a special "Error template", but that has not been done yet | 01:58 |
| Mech422 | preaction: you just said the layouts not always available and don't do that ? now I'm confused... | 01:58 |
| @preaction | i said "don't do that", but I said "it may not always cripple your site when you do that" | 01:58 |
| @preaction | that means "sometimes it will cripple your site when you do that" | 01:59 |
| Mech422 | preaction: it will at least break error pages - ALL the time ? | 01:59 |
| @preaction | no | 01:59 |
| Mech422 | preaction: then what am I doing wrong ? | 01:59 |
| @preaction | it all depends on what kind of HTML and CSS you're using | 01:59 |
| @preaction | does that error page validate? | 01:59 |
| Mech422 | <html><body></body></html> validates - but its not very useful ? if your design requires a layout, its gonna be hosed on error pages, correct ? nothing i can do to change it except redo the design ? | 02:00 |
| Mech422 | would that be a correct statement ? | 02:01 |
| @preaction | okay wait, did you actually do that? that defeats the entire purpose of a style template | 02:01 |
| @preaction | the style template is the look-and-feel of your site <- paraphrased from the Designers Guide | 02:01 |
| Mech422 | yes, it also says sometimes you need 'more control' and that what a layout if for, or words to that affect ? | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | A layout is for arranging asset content | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | that's all | 02:02 |
| +perlDreamer | not Operations, or Administrative content | 02:02 |
| Mech422 | Hmm.. | 02:03 |
| Mech422 | that exact phrasing would be good in the book - makes it very plain what it can/can't be used for | 02:04 |
| +perlDreamer | technically, you don't even need a Layout, unless you want to display more than 1 asset at the same time | 02:06 |
| Mech422 | I ended up using it to allow content to be dragged around the columns, and because the last colum 'jumps up' into hte masthead | 02:07 |
| Mech422 | all the ads can be drag/dropped as seperate content pieces, the images can be dragged, etc | 02:08 |
| Mech422 | btw - we launch this weekend :-) | 02:08 |
| Mech422 | getting 20K users migrated went pretty smoothly :-) We cheated and didn't try to re-use the plone SSHA passwords though... | 02:09 |
| Mech422 | loading content was a bit more of a nuisance - file pile is cool, but http just isn't great for transfering large numbers of files :-P | 02:10 |
| @preaction | so you're right, it says how but doesn't say why (like so much of our documentation). that would make a good RFE | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, there is a fileUpload script for that | 02:10 |
| +perlDreamer | if you have shell access to the site | 02:10 |
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| Mech422 | perlDreamer: oh nifty - need to check that out - still have a ton of images to upload | 02:12 |
| * perlDreamer is out of here for tonight. I've got a date with my wife and a Kutless concert to go to. | 02:14 | |
| +perlDreamer | Good bye, kind WebGUI folks | 02:14 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r945efb1 / lib/WebGUI/Content/Setup.pm : perltidy - http://bit.ly/c4wpdS | 02:26 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r8504a34 / (6 files in 6 dirs): add WebGUI::Wizard - http://bit.ly/d21RcA | 02:26 |
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| elnino | oh this is weird. | 05:25 |
| elnino | I'm trying to add a snippet. I'm getting this: | 05:25 |
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| elnino | how do I search for assets that have "somethingDOTsomething" It seems that the query ignores my period in the query. | 07:23 |
| @preaction | you could try quoting it, but most likely it will simply be ignored as a non-word character | 07:24 |
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| Windows__Killer | hello | 14:29 |
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| Mech422 | Anyone happen to know where the email template for password recovery is kept ? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | it might be just i18n | 23:48 |
| Mech422 | yeah - it is - going thru Auth/Webgui.pm now... | 23:51 |
| Mech422 | thing is - its generating urls like 'test4?op=auth....' instead of 'www.mysite.com?op=auth' | 23:52 |
| Mech422 | 'test4' is the name of my 'site' in wreconsole | 23:52 |
| Mech422 | I can just hard code it in the text - but its rather odd - url comes from $session->url->getSiteURL which sounds like it should be correct. | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | ahh - bet its taking it from the ServerName or ServerAlias in hte mod_proxy config | 23:56 |
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| Mech422 | for google's sake: it appears the 'url' (hostname) for use in the password recovery email comes from the 'sitename' key in the site.conf (editable via wreconsole) | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | And we are Live! | 00:07 |
| Mech422 | thanks guys - to kick back and relax :-) | 00:07 |
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| elnino | hi. is there a way to add anonymous registers users to a specific group? | 06:03 |
| elnino | never mind. | 06:22 |
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| +patspam | preation: I grabed the latest psgi branch | 01:55 |
| +patspam | getting "Unable to instantiate WebGUI::Session - missing required param 'driver' or 'driver_class' at lib/WebGUI/Session.pm" - problem with my site config? | 01:56 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:43 |
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| +bartjol | :'( rory will be ending his life tomorrow | 18:16 |
| SDuensin | Huh? | 18:16 |
| +bartjol | he's gonna marry | 18:17 |
| SDuensin | Oh! Whew! | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | poor rory | 18:17 |
| +perlDreamer | Didn't you try to help him, bartjol? | 18:17 |
| +bartjol | well, he insisted, and I'm invited for the party | 18:18 |
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| @preaction | what i wouldn't give to be able to stop unleashing half-baked server admins on my boxen! | 19:21 |
| * SDuensin directs preaction to the 'passwd' command. | 19:21 | |
| +perlDreamer | uh oh, what did I do this time? | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, I'm not half-baked, I'm half-cocked | 19:21 |
| +perlDreamer | about 25% off vertical, to the 2 o'clock position | 19:22 |
| @preaction | no, just interviewing and trying to emphasize sysadmin a bit this time (so Frank has someone to fall back on besides me) | 19:30 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9838d20 / (6 files in 4 dirs): Add a billing address to the cart. Add form processing for an address form to the AddressBook. Support for choosing shipping methods without an address. - http://bit.ly/aySQYp | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | it would be nice if you could append to a hash | 19:57 |
| @preaction | i was just thinking that the other day. %hash = {%hash,%newstuff}; is a suck construct | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | %hash += map { $_ => calculate($_), } @ array | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, I also need a weekly reminder to stop daydreaming about rebuilding small WebGUI classes with Moose | 19:58 |
| @preaction | that's part of our Janitorial tasks later | 19:58 |
| @preaction | anyone else want to speak to the TinyMCE spitting out completely invalid HTML? | 20:06 |
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| +perlDreamer | um, perhaps we should make another Janitorial task is to replace it with YUI Editor? | 20:08 |
| @preaction | YUI Editor has its own host of problems, the major one being: no <table>. but I have a plan to work around that later | 20:10 |
| +perlDreamer | plan other than DataTable? | 20:12 |
| @preaction | no. the plan is to make the Editor full-screen and let people work with the page exactly as-is, adding Macros and Images and such from a sidebar | 20:12 |
| @preaction | Macros including AssetProxy | 20:13 |
| @preaction | make it as WYSIWYG as possible | 20:13 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a big plan | 20:13 |
| @preaction | and yes, i realize the magnitude of it. it's gonna be awesome though | 20:13 |
| @preaction | it fits in with my deemphasizing "Asset" in favor of "Model" | 20:14 |
| +perlDreamer | Model is a M::WG-ism? | 20:14 |
| @preaction | well, it's a MVC-ism, but basically means "Entry in a Database" | 20:15 |
| @preaction | but yes | 20:15 |
| @preaction | you'll be able to add Models to the Search Index. Models will have Roles like "PageContent" (to mean it can be placed on a Page, and has a method to render itself) | 20:16 |
| @preaction | good god it's already 12:30 and i just got through my email from the weekend. | 20:30 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: khenn master * r0050f44 / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt lib/WebGUI/Inbox/Message.pm): Added a way to pass additional headers to WebGUI::Mail::Send from the WebGUI::Inbox::Message API - http://bit.ly/9gGeMP | 20:46 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0b437f8 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Make all address form variables sticky. Build address choosers for shipping and billing. Begin form processing for address forms. - http://bit.ly/avhhZS | 20:57 |
| * perlDreamer thinks there are now officially WAY TOO MANY mail and inbox notification options | 20:58 | |
| @preaction | yes | 20:58 |
| @preaction | that entire subsystem needs to be ripped out and reexamined | 20:58 |
| @preaction | Inbox should be a side-effect of a Mail or something | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, or vice versa | 20:59 |
| @preaction | yeah, vice versa might be better even | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | so we have options that allow users to choose how they get notified | 20:59 |
| @preaction | and Approval mails need to be way the hell out of there. | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | and options that say ignore part, or all of the user's options! | 21:00 |
| @preaction | the whole setCompleted bs needs to be Gone Gone Gone. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | I kind of like it | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | since you can notify groups of users of work that is done | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | like approving tags | 21:00 |
| @preaction | it has problems when you apply any real-world stuff to it | 21:00 |
| @preaction | there should be a whole interface for approving tags, not hacked into Inbox | 21:00 |
| @preaction | we are not modular enough, we cross-contaminate our APIs everywhere | 21:01 |
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| @preaction | question: Do we keep the WebGUI Style Designer? | 21:30 |
| @preaction | i personally feel it is an eyesore and looks more amateur than professional | 21:30 |
| @preaction | and we will have the dozen+ default styles to choose from instead | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | and this chooser will be available to people like the Template Wizard? | 21:31 |
| @preaction | well, that's the style designer (the template wizard), but yes, it is part of the Site Starter and the Initial Setup | 21:31 |
| +perlDreamer | I completely agree about amateurish and eye-sore | 21:31 |
| @preaction | "it" being the style selector | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | but it shows people how to build basic templates | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction, excepting recent changes the Site Starter and Template Wizard were separate | 21:32 |
| @preaction | we could include a single example of output from it called the "Bare Minimum Style" | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | There you go. | 21:32 |
| @preaction | oh, well, it's a JS thing that's being used in the Setup | 21:32 |
| +perlDreamer | And show a picture of Gooey with his tentacles crossed | 21:33 |
| @preaction | heh | 21:33 |
| @preaction | well i also want the "Blank Style" to be a choice. a very horrible choice, but a choice nonetheless | 21:33 |
| @preaction | these two choices not being counted in the dozen, of course | 21:33 |
| @preaction | i worry about Mech422's problem though | 21:33 |
| +perlDreamer | what problem did he have? | 21:34 |
| @preaction | he put all his style stuff in Layout templates | 21:34 |
| @preaction | allowing the Blank Style as an option might lead to that | 21:34 |
| +perlDreamer | he put that stuff in there because he wanted to be able to drag his nav and ad bar around | 21:35 |
| @preaction | oh | 21:35 |
| @preaction | ahh | 21:35 |
| @preaction | that's a good reason for it then | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | it's kind of inventive | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | but it has "side" effects | 21:35 |
| @preaction | yes, you'll still need a regular style for user function stuff and other stuff | 21:35 |
| +perlDreamer | If the Style Templates had a better wizard with DND, then he wouldn't have to do it that way | 21:36 |
| +perlDreamer | yay, fundamental address editing works | 21:36 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r85c7bec / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/Shop.pm): Add and edit addresses, for billing only. - http://bit.ly/90NTAq | 21:36 |
| @preaction | okay, i guess I'll keep it for now, but hide it way at the bottom. once Tavis and Kristi weigh in, we can remove it maybe | 21:37 |
| @preaction | i just have to rearrange the steps because they're two separate wizards now (first Setup, then HomePage) | 21:37 |
| @preaction | so the Wizard app framework needs to be able to skip steps | 21:39 |
| +perlDreamer | yes, that's exactly right | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | we ship code skeletons to show people how to build macros, workflows, assets and wobjects | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | and the basic template for Article, etc. do pretty good | 21:42 |
| +perlDreamer | but we don't have a skeletal Style template, do we? | 21:43 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe it just needs a better title... | 21:43 |
| @preaction | well, the Blank Style is kinda... but one of the outputs from the Style Wizard would be better | 21:43 |
| @preaction | and we can call it the Skeleton | 21:43 |
| @preaction | would make more sense, give it more purpose | 21:44 |
| +perlDreamer | now, it's ugly, but you know what to start with at least | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | and it could be filled with HTML comments on what to do where, and maybe how | 21:49 |
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| +perlDreamer | and a BIG AD for the Designer's Guide | 21:49 |
| +perlDreamer | nah, that'd be in bad taste | 21:50 |
| @preaction | well, our default content is changing, so that'd be in there | 21:50 |
| +perlDreamer | time to run | 22:02 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7826e3a / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Shipping address form processing. - http://bit.ly/atiKHt | 22:02 |
| +perlDreamer | any last seconds comments or requests? | 22:02 |
| @preaction | i love you, but i'm not in love with you | 22:03 |
| +perlDreamer | you're lucky my wife isn't here, or she'd deck you | 22:08 |
| @preaction | i can't quit you! | 22:09 |
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| @preaction | we have a 7.8 release today right? not a 7.9? | 23:39 |
| @preaction | the consensus is to get rid of the style designer. so it goes. | 23:46 |
| --- Day changed Tue Apr 27 2010 | ||
| +perlDreamer | preaction, 7.8.18 release is Tuesday night, April 27th | 00:03 |
| @preaction | tomorrow, right, of course | 00:03 |
| @preaction | ... without the style designer, we don't need the logo thing unless the logo thing is made part of the settings | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | an phooey to the Style Designer nay-sayers! | 00:05 |
| +perlDreamer | aside from the Style designer, there's no support for the Logo thingy | 00:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it'd need a macro or something | 00:06 |
| @preaction | yeah. which is sad but necessary. | 00:07 |
| @preaction | we'll put this one up to the dev list after i commit | 00:07 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfa48f2e / (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove old form JS. Display shipping information, but not the address. Do not format currency unless it exists. Template support. - http://bit.ly/bO87ww | 00:56 |
| @preaction | there were two huge glaring i18n errors in the Initial Pages page of the site setup wizard. | 01:00 |
| @preaction | which leads me to believe: Nobody ever users the Initial Pages page of the site setup wizard. | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | really? | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | the i18n checker didn't pick it up? | 01:00 |
| @preaction | yeah. "All Contact Us" is supposed to be "Contact Us" and the second "Initial Pages" is supposed to be "Forums" | 01:00 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, so not errors, but bad phrasing | 01:01 |
| @preaction | right. i'll commit my fix | 01:01 |
| +perlDreamer | you can blame that on me, since I i18n'ed that code | 01:02 |
| @preaction | eh, as i said, only thing it proved is that nobody uses it. | 01:02 |
| @preaction | someone would've seen it | 01:02 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r59b7de0 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm : bad phrasing - http://bit.ly/d0UQs2 | 01:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rce26a84 / (5 files in 4 dirs): Migrate initial setup to WebGUI::Wizard - http://bit.ly/avAOcg | 01:12 |
| @preaction | I HAVE STRUCK THE DEATH KNELL OF THE STYLE DESIGNER! | 01:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell webgui-7.8 * rff73d23 / lib/WebGUI/i18n/English/WebGUI.pm : bad phrasing - http://bit.ly/d1d9bo | 01:13 |
| +perlDreamer | nice backport | 01:15 |
| @preaction | git cherry-pick is my bestest best friend forever | 01:16 |
| +perlDreamer | after your comments earlier today, /me will try not to feel slighted | 01:21 |
| @preaction | you're just too busy, and you have a wife who will hit me | 01:21 |
| @preaction | our love just isn't meant... to be... | 01:21 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe we could just remain cow-orkers? | 01:22 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra26f85c / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Handle cases of no shipping plugin, and optional price formatting for shipping. - http://bit.ly/aognPp | 01:22 |
| @preaction | mooo? | 01:22 |
| +perlDreamer | something is funny with the shipping plugin calculations, but I'm only a few hours away from the payment plugins | 01:22 |
| * perlDreamer heads out to pick up the children | 01:24 | |
| +perlDreamer | back | 01:52 |
| @preaction | adding three new themes to 7.9.4. added images to templates to let people add an example image, then finally add the style selector in the setup wizard | 01:54 |
| @preaction | it's okay to be impressed by me. i know i am | 01:54 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re116354 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Ship.pm : Fix double my in Shop/Ship.pm - http://bit.ly/b6LfsJ | 02:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra98484d / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Ship.pm): Fix flag for having a price. Remove debug. Fix typos in ship driver selector generator. - http://bit.ly/9RbHK7 | 02:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfe7f3e0 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Recalculate totals based on shipping, now that it works correctly. - http://bit.ly/cffv3K | 02:16 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rfc95fa8 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : display taxes again. - http://bit.ly/9beds8 | 02:23 |
| +perlDreamer | brain is shot, going to take a protracted brake | 02:48 |
| @preaction | here goes nothing. i hope people like it... | 03:06 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r23d80cf / (6 files in 4 dirs): add: example images to templates - http://bit.ly/c0rD9G | 03:11 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r097fb4c / (7 files in 4 dirs): add style picker during setup - http://bit.ly/c5tAfq | 03:11 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r4a602b3 / docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt : cite my work - http://bit.ly/cBIAmV | 03:20 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r69bfa9b / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Better detection for same shipping/billing address. - http://bit.ly/b0gdgA | 04:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | hola, patspam | 06:09 |
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| +bartjol | morning | 16:51 |
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| SDuensin | Howdy! | 16:55 |
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| @preaction | how's everything in WebGUI world this mornin? | 18:06 |
| @preaction | good! working hard! i like to see that | 18:15 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, folks | 18:43 |
| @preaction | morning perlDreamer! | 18:45 |
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| @preaction | http://twitpic.com/1iw21p http://twitpic.com/1iw2co <- screenshots of new setup wizard | 19:00 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rc4145f9 / (lib/WebGUI/Wizard/HomePage.pm lib/WebGUI/Wizard/Setup.pm): changed wizard style, fixed some bugs - http://bit.ly/cQAtbe | 19:08 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rd15cfd5 / (6 files): add synopses to styles - http://bit.ly/8Xy0Cb | 19:08 |
| * perlDreamer heads out. be back in an hour or so | 19:11 | |
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| * perlDreamer is back | 20:53 | |
| +perlDreamer | howdy, kimd | 20:53 |
| kimd | Everything fine here. And you? | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | okay | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | Very busy | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | but it is good to be busy in this economy :) | 20:54 |
| kimd | Indeed. | 20:54 |
| kimd | But don't neglect your children ;-) | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | oh no, they are not neglected | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | I taught one son how to wash cars | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | and the other how to mow grass | 20:55 |
| kimd | Very good lessons. I can see that you are preparing them for life. | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | at night, I read to them and we have a tickle fight | 20:56 |
| kimd | What about grocery shopping, cleaning the house, earning some money and the other quite useful things? | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | they have been house cleaning for 2 years | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | and when they help out, they earn some money as an allowance | 20:56 |
| kimd | We taught our daughter to refill the toilet paper rolls. But she is very unreliable. | 20:56 |
| +perlDreamer | I wouldn't send them shopping | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | all we would eat are hot dogs and chicken nuggets | 20:57 |
| kimd | That sounds like bribing to me. | 20:57 |
| kimd | :-) | 20:57 |
| kimd | Send them out to have some cooking lessons. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | well, it could be bribing | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | if they don't do the job well, or if they argue too much, they work for free | 20:57 |
| kimd | I am sure you have a much nicer word for it. | 20:57 |
| kimd | Still, it's much better than blackmailing. | 20:57 |
| +perlDreamer | "Positive reinforcement in lieu of having one's bottom paddled" | 20:58 |
| kimd | Ah, there is the whip. | 20:58 |
| kimd | :-) | 20:58 |
| kimd | How much do you pay per hour? | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | about $0.10 | 20:58 |
| +perlDreamer | except for weeding | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | where we pay 0.05/weed | 20:59 |
| kimd | :-( That is slavery. | 20:59 |
| kimd | Shame on you!!! | 20:59 |
| +perlDreamer | we don't charge for room and board | 20:59 |
| kimd | Ok. Only fair. | 20:59 |
| kimd | But to be honest. $0.10 per hour would not motivate me. | 21:00 |
| kimd | There should be some success payments. | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | There are | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | We eat out once a month | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Ride the light rail trains | 21:00 |
| +perlDreamer | Go to the zoo | 21:01 |
| kimd | Very good. I can see you are a very human employer. It's only fair you run a business. Let me know when you are ready to expand. | 21:02 |
| +perlDreamer | My family, or my business? | 21:02 |
| kimd | Your business, your business... | 21:03 |
| +perlDreamer | ah, I figured you were too old to adopt | 21:04 |
| +perlDreamer | We pay employees much better than children, but you have to bring your own food, and I do not hug or kiss you. | 21:05 |
| kimd | Even better. I am glad we have the same expectations. | 21:05 |
| kimd | Back to business. Running the setFile.t for the Photo asset returns the following error message: | 21:06 |
| kimd | Use of uninitialized value in join or string at /data/wre/prereqs/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.10.0/Log/Log4perl/Appender.pm line 164. | 21:06 |
| kimd | Still, the test completes successfully. Any idea what it means? | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't see that error message | 21:07 |
| +perlDreamer | of course, I'm not running the WRE, either | 21:08 |
| kimd | Oops. It seems that my modifications are the source of this error. :-/ | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | that should make it easy to track down | 21:09 |
| kimd | Anyway, thanks for running the test. | 21:09 |
| +perlDreamer | Kein problem | 21:10 |
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| kimd | It's time for red wine and a cigar. Cuban cigar, of course :-) | 21:17 |
| kimd | (Are these still illegal in the US?) | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | I believe so | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | Plus, they smell bad | 21:18 |
| +perlDreamer | tavisto: http://www.ama-assn.org/amednews/2010/04/26/bisa0426.htm | 21:18 |
| kimd | :-) | 21:18 |
| @tavisto | nerds. | 21:22 |
| +perlDreamer | game making nerds | 21:23 |
| kimd | Why is there a ".wgaccess" file in the Photo asset storage? | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | The storage can be accessed directly | 21:57 |
| kimd | I should add that it is in the list returned by "@{$storage->getFiles('showAll')}" | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | so it guarnatees permissions are followed | 21:57 |
| +perlDreamer | you want it in showAll | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | so that it get copied correctly | 21:58 |
| kimd | How can I reliably filter out any non-images? | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | $storage->isImage ? | 21:58 |
| kimd | Ah!!! Cool. | 21:58 |
| kimd | You just earned $0.10 :-) Make sure you send me your PayPal data. | 21:58 |
| +perlDreamer | meanDaddy@perlDreamer.com | 21:59 |
| kimd | :-) | 21:59 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb8098fb / lib/WebGUI/Asset/Sku/Ad.pm : Remove unneeded modules from Ad.pm - http://bit.ly/bDHAni | 22:04 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r7ef8de2 / (6 files in 4 dirs): Checkout preparations. Change payment options to a dropdown in the cart. Pay->getOptions now returns just a hash. - http://bit.ly/c9ob2y | 22:04 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, how can I prevent the default setting for image resolutions? | 22:04 |
| kimd | I want no additional resolutions. | 22:04 |
| kimd | Setting "imageResolutions" to "" doesn't help. | 22:04 |
| +perlDreamer | are you sure you don't want the additional resolutions, and the original resolutions? | 22:05 |
| kimd | Not for testing. I only want the original image + thumbnail. | 22:05 |
| kimd | Do I have to set imageResolutions to "" after creating the gallery? | 22:05 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 22:06 |
| kimd | At the moment it seems that "" gets replaced with the default value. | 22:06 |
| kimd | Ok. I will try that. | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | since "" is false | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that makes sense | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | although, in WebGUI 8, WebGUI will shut up and take whatever you feed it when you create an Asset, including undef. | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | you only get defaults when they're missing | 22:06 |
| kimd | I see. | 22:07 |
| +perlDreamer | time for some lunch | 22:07 |
| kimd | Enjoy. | 22:07 |
| kimd | Hm. There is no set method for assets. Only get. How do I change asset properties using the API? | 22:10 |
| @preaction | kimd: it's update() | 22:11 |
| @preaction | (yes, it's kinda bass-ackwards) | 22:11 |
| kimd | Ah. Very logical. Thanks! | 22:11 |
| kimd | preaction, perlDreamer is at lunch. That means I have to get on your nerves. | 22:16 |
| @preaction | yay! | 22:16 |
| kimd | "$gallery->update({imageResolutions => undef}); " does not prevent Photo assets to generate default resolutions. | 22:17 |
| kimd | Why is that? What am I missing? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | no, undef causes the default value | 22:17 |
| @preaction | same as any false value | 22:17 |
| kimd | Even after creation? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | yep | 22:17 |
| kimd | Any way around that? | 22:17 |
| @preaction | that's hard-coded into WebGUI::Asset->update | 22:17 |
| @preaction | nope | 22:17 |
| kimd | :-( So, there is no way to prevent additional resolutions from being created? | 22:18 |
| @preaction | it was a major source of contention between JT and I, with JT winning out. | 22:18 |
| kimd | Hm. What a pitty. | 22:18 |
| @preaction | not really no. you can give it one resolution to create, say "50", and then delete it afterwards | 22:18 |
| kimd | Hm. Is it safe to assume that the first image in the storage is the default view? | 22:19 |
| @preaction | no | 22:19 |
| @preaction | the filename is stored with the asset, $asset->get('filename'); | 22:19 |
| kimd | Ah. I think that is all I need. Thanks! | 22:19 |
| kimd | Do you want me to write a petition to JT concerning the default values? | 22:20 |
| @preaction | that's part of the WebGUI::Asset::File class | 22:20 |
| @preaction | no, it's all changed now with Moose | 22:20 |
| kimd | Very good! | 22:20 |
| kimd | Must be really a cool piece of software that WebGUI 8. | 22:20 |
| @preaction | it is. not cool enough for my tastes, but much cooler than 7 | 22:20 |
| @preaction | but then, i'm a major perfectionist when it comes to frameworks and APIs | 22:20 |
| kimd | Don't get frustrated by reality. Keep on making small steps :-) | 22:21 |
| @preaction | well, we need to make it so we can keep making small steps (it has been 5 years since 7) | 22:22 |
| kimd | 5 years already? I was not aware of that. Still, 7 is already cool. Don't make it worse than it is. | 22:24 |
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| Mech422 | Mornin | 22:36 |
| Mech422 | Is there a way to turn off commenting and subscription on a collaboration system thread after say 1 week or 2 weeks ? | 22:37 |
| @preaction | not really. threads aren't that granular afaik | 22:37 |
| kimd | Sounds like a task for the scheduler. | 22:37 |
| kimd | Maybe by writing a custom activity? | 22:38 |
| @preaction | something to autolock the thread after a certain time or something | 22:38 |
| Mech422 | ahh - would manually clicking the 'lock' link for a thread work ? | 22:38 |
| @preaction | yes | 22:38 |
| @preaction | but they can still subscribe (just nothing will ever happen) | 22:38 |
| Mech422 | ahh great | 22:38 |
| kimd | So, all you need now is an alarm clock and a monkey. Maybe some bananas in addition. | 22:39 |
| Mech422 | kimd: or have the data entry clerk click hte link on old stories when adding new ones... | 22:39 |
| kimd | That could be an alternative. But it implies less fun... | 22:40 |
| Mech422 | I also have a 'stuck' workflow I need to delete - is that fun ? | 22:40 |
| Mech422 | is it safe to just grab the workflow id from the log and delete it from some db ? or is there more housekeeping required to get rid of it 'cleanly' ? | 22:41 |
| kimd | That is what I have done in the past, iirc. | 22:42 |
| kimd | No guarantees though that will not have any side effects. | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | depends on the workflow, and its instance | 22:42 |
| +perlDreamer | which one is it Mech422? | 22:42 |
| Mech422 | its a custom workflow that basically reads a field ('subscribe to newsletter') in the profile and updates iContact based on the value | 22:43 |
| Mech422 | it doesn't touch any 'webgui' stuff - read only | 22:43 |
| +perlDreamer | in that case, I would do some research to find out why it's stuck | 22:44 |
| Mech422 | (its working surprisingly well - but this 1 particular job must have some bad data or something - all the others worked great) | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | so that it doesn't happen again :) | 22:44 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'd delete it | 22:44 |
| Mech422 | kk | 22:44 |
| Mech422 | That pretty much sums up my after launch laundry list :-) | 22:44 |
| @preaction | turn on info-level logging is step 1. run spectre.pl in debug mode is good (--run --debug). spectre.pl --test is assumed as well | 22:45 |
| Mech422 | got some CSS / grahics stuff to putz with - but overall - went very smooth | 22:45 |
| Mech422 | also stuck some rewrite rules in the conf file so the RSS feeds match the existing feed urls - twitter and a couple of others are very happy with it ;-) | 22:46 |
| Mech422 | preaction: thanks - let me try that | 22:46 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422 those can also be built with Redirect assets | 22:49 |
| +perlDreamer | in case they need to be user adjusted later | 22:49 |
| Mech422 | ohh - that would be slick if they could be updated thru the web... I'll have to look into that as well | 22:51 |
| +perlDreamer | now, there is one downside to the web facing way | 22:52 |
| +perlDreamer | Outlook doesn't handle RSS URLs with query parameters | 22:52 |
| Mech422 | eh - figures :-P | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and the redirect asset will do just that, redirect to the original, query based URL | 22:53 |
| +perlDreamer | so a rewrite rule may be the most robust | 22:53 |
| @preaction | yay! broke plainblack.com! | 22:54 |
| +perlDreamer | and webgui.org? | 22:55 |
| @preaction | let's try this again! | 22:55 |
| @preaction | nope, just pb.com | 22:55 |
| Mech422 | no biggie either way - rewrite rule is in, and not likely to change (though new ones might get added) so should be fine | 22:55 |
| +perlDreamer | oooh. your breakage is powerful, and specific | 22:55 |
| kimd | perlDreamer, I am done with the next testing module!!! Is that worth a 'yay'? | 22:56 |
| +perlDreamer | We'll give you $0.15, and a "wahoo" | 22:57 |
| kimd | Hm. Obviously not. | 22:57 |
| kimd | Oh, I got promoted. How did I earn that? | 22:57 |
| +perlDreamer | I always treat test writers well | 22:57 |
| kimd | I need to give $0.05 to preaction since he has helped me so much. | 22:57 |
| kimd | And the rest to you, probably. | 22:58 |
| +perlDreamer | okay, how about $1.00 then, for some spare change? | 22:58 |
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| kimd | Sounds good. Somehow I need to compensate for my wine consume while writing webgui code. | 22:59 |
| * kimd is getting another glass. | 22:59 | |
| kimd | I am obviously not a native speaker, but would you consider it good style to start every testing module with "The goal of this test is to test..."? | 23:01 |
| kimd | (Who wrote this, btw? Hands up!) | 23:01 |
| +perlDreamer | :D | 23:01 |
| kimd | I take that as a "no". | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's not a bad idea to put a comment into the test to specify what it tests | 23:03 |
| +perlDreamer | it's hard to tell from filenames sometimes | 23:03 |
| kimd | Oh, that's clear. I was only talking about the language. | 23:04 |
| kimd | And is there a reason that the first line of the comment starts with "##"? | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | that's a dead giveaway for being written by perlDreamer | 23:05 |
| +perlDreamer | it's just my style | 23:05 |
| kimd | Aha. And what would be the Bernd style? | 23:05 |
| kimd | Can I use something like #%&@! ? | 23:06 |
| +perlDreamer | it would have to involve big rocks and red wine | 23:07 |
| kimd | Sure. I will think about how to cast this into a few characters. | 23:08 |
| kimd | For the moment "#" will be fine. | 23:08 |
| kimd | Something else: If a find minor flaws in the code I have submitted before - do you require a bug report? Or would it be ok to write the patch and send you a pull request? | 23:09 |
| @preaction | patch and pull will work, but bug report is nice for tracking purposes (it will send an e-mail alert to anyone watching, and people should search the bug list before they report) | 23:10 |
| +perlDreamer | and you can send us a pull request after the bug is submitted, so they're not exclusive options | 23:11 |
| @preaction | damn. i just realized that pb.com is a 2G box. if we had 2G more to play with, we could probably get some real nice performance (though CPU is our main bottleneck, with caching we can use memory to save CPU) | 23:12 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9365a55 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Bad code fixes, and no tax calculations without an address. - http://bit.ly/ah9oU9 | 23:15 |
| +perlDreamer | pb.com is unbroken | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | like the circle | 23:16 |
| @preaction | yep. fixed it right away: good backups | 23:16 |
| @preaction | then did it right this time | 23:16 |
| +perlDreamer | can we buy more memory? | 23:18 |
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| kimd | Next release is 7.9.4, isn't it? | 23:42 |
| +perlDreamer | next beta release is 7.9.4, releasing next Tuesday | 23:42 |
| @preaction | today is 7.8.+, next week is 7.9.4 yes | 23:42 |
| kimd | preaction, why was the menu of the new webgui.org site actually reverted to the old style? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | because people complained | 23:45 |
| kimd | Don't they always? | 23:45 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:45 |
| @preaction | the right people complained | 23:45 |
| @preaction | i liked the role-based portals into the guts of the actual data | 23:45 |
| kimd | I liked the new approach. It's a pitty. | 23:45 |
| +perlDreamer | ah | 23:46 |
| kimd | into the guts of the ...? | 23:46 |
| +perlDreamer | it fragmented the wiki and forums and made them non-user friendly | 23:46 |
| @preaction | yes, but that didn't need to happen. it just needed to list the likely topics that admins wanted | 23:46 |
| kimd | Wouldn't it have been possible to share the wiki and forum by shortcutting them? | 23:46 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:47 |
| kimd | In that case I do not understand the problem. Well, it is too late anyways. And here goes another innovation. | 23:47 |
| kimd | Hey, rfe11498 is done! At least I hope so. Be prepared for the pull request. | 23:52 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: just saw patspam plebgui blog - plack is pretty much exactly how 'modern' python web stuff works... Didn't realize there is a perl version | 23:53 |
| kimd | Going to bed. Good night everyone! | 23:57 |
| Mech422 | correction - I guess 'psgi' is the wsgi equivalent an 'plack' is some implementation ? | 23:57 |
| Mech422 | g'nite kimd | 23:57 |
| Mech422 | think I'll head out too | 23:59 |
| Mech422 | later all :-) | 23:59 |
| +perlDreamer | later, Mech422 | 23:59 |
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| @preaction | riddle me this: how can the database cache sometimes take less time than the fastmmap cache even in the areas of code that do not involve either database or cache? | 00:37 |
| @preaction | anyone can help? | 00:43 |
| @preaction | http://plainblack.com/downloads/builds/nytprof/WebGUI-Asset-pm-line.html#1875 <- CHI run | 00:43 |
| @preaction | http://plainblack.com/downloads/builds/nytprof2/WebGUI-Asset-pm-line.html#1827 <- DB run that goes in 10 seconds | 00:43 |
| @preaction | it's like macros decide to not be parsed or something on that DB run | 00:43 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re0a9f34 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Update readyForCheckout, shipping address is optional, must have gatewayId, too. - http://bit.ly/clKqWI | 03:30 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1ef4aa8 / (2 files in 2 dirs): No more getButton method in the PayDriver, it's now a dropdown in the cart. - http://bit.ly/b6RHF2 | 03:31 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * rd2544d6 / docs/create.sql : Preparing for 7.8.18 release. - http://bit.ly/bKyki8 | 05:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie webgui-7.8 * r96caa96 / (4 files in 4 dirs): Ready for 7.8.19 development cycle. - http://bit.ly/ceMEWQ | 06:23 |
| +perlDreamer | 12.5 hours is enough for me todya | 06:33 |
| +perlDreamer | catch y'all tomorrow | 06:33 |
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| SDuensin | Greetings. | 16:34 |
| +MrHairgrease | Greasings!!!! | 16:35 |
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| CIA-104 | WebGUI: translation * r12485 /translations/Spanish/Spanish/ (10 files): Updating Spanish on translation server | 17:16 |
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| +perlDreamer | bartjol: there will be lots of Shop related i18n next week | 18:02 |
| +perlDreamer | some wiki stuff, too, probably | 18:02 |
| +bartjol | ah, but I will be drinking heavily | 18:03 |
| +bartjol | oh, that is this week | 18:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | perlDreamer: is the shop being massaged? | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it only i18n? | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, deep tissue massage | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | good! | 18:04 |
| +perlDreamer | right down to the bones | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | Is that for the wg8 branch | 18:04 |
| +MrHairgrease | orf 7.x | 18:04 |
| +bartjol | 8 isn't i18n'd yet I suppose | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | hmm, yeah | 18:05 |
| +MrHairgrease | what is being changed perlDreamer? | 18:05 |
| +perlDreamer | MrHairgrease, two required screens for checkout | 18:06 |
| +perlDreamer | that's in 7.9 | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | what does that mean? | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | you are removing those screens? | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | or is it an api change in payment plugins? | 18:06 |
| +MrHairgrease | I have some things i'd like for wgs as well | 18:07 |
| +perlDreamer | screens are being removed, and the API is changing as well | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | So maybe we can join forces on this, if you like | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | nice | 18:07 |
| +MrHairgrease | is there something that dcuments the changes somewhere? | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | no, just in my head | 18:08 |
| +MrHairgrease | ok | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | all addresses are collected in the cart screen | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | shipping addresses are 100% optional | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | unless products require them | 18:08 |
| +perlDreamer | the cart will work without javascript | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | but may require more clicks for handling errors | 18:09 |
| +perlDreamer | and all the payment plugins have to do is collect their specific info, like CCN | 18:09 |
| +MrHairgrease | yeah, that's what I was getting at | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | one of the things I think should be don eto the paydrivers is that they'll export their collection forms in a getPayDataForm fasion | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | of just a definitrion of that | 18:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | sorry for the borked english btw | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | no sweat | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | that's a feature we need for wgs | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | why? | 18:11 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise you'll have to hardcode forms for collecting payment data | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is erroprone | 18:12 |
| +MrHairgrease | especially if something changes | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | right now, we only have 1 driver that needs to collect info, and that's ITransact | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Cash doesn't need any | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and the PayPal drivers take you offsite | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm not sure about Ogone, so maybe 2 drivers | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | in WebGUI8 it will be easier to do that kind of data driven form generation | 18:13 |
| +MrHairgrease | obviously drivers that take you offsite cannot export that stuff | 18:14 |
| +MrHairgrease | but those we don't want to use anyway | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think PayPal has an server-to-server payment option as well | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I've heard about that, it's new. | 18:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | anyway. how it is now, it's not really possible to customize the shop in such a way that you could do one off sales. It would be nice to be able to do that. | 18:16 |
| +MrHairgrease | Like we want for wgs | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and I know some people here in the Netherlands that also want to do that on their own site. | 18:17 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ie. they have only one product for sale | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | and want a github like checkout system | 18:17 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not saying that you should make thta ofcourse | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | =) | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | but I would like to be able to build that kind of stuff on top of the WG api | 18:18 |
| +perlDreamer | OH YES YOU ARE!!!! | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | without having to shoehorn round pegs into square holes | 18:18 |
| +MrHairgrease | NO I'M NOT!!! | 18:19 |
| +bartjol | children children, all that shouting, why can't you just ........ get along | 18:19 |
| +MrHairgrease | because! | 18:20 |
| +bartjol | not enough beer I suppose | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | well... you know where to find the medicine =) | 18:20 |
| +MrHairgrease | perldreamer: regardless of what I AM or AM NOT. If you need any help with your shop plans, please let me know. I can make some time for that. | 18:21 |
| +perlDreamer | it's gotta be done by tomorrow night. Does that hurt your availability? | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | yes | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | significantly | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | tomorrow night would be 18.00 protland time? | 18:22 |
| +MrHairgrease | I wasn't aware of the time limit on it all. | 18:23 |
| +perlDreamer | you didn't ask? :) | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | true | 18:23 |
| +MrHairgrease | I just assumed =) | 18:23 |
| @frodwith | you know what they say about that | 18:24 |
| @preaction | it's always a good idea! | 18:25 |
| @frodwith | yes, exactly | 18:25 |
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| doc777 | Hello friends. I needed to make the WRE mod_proxy bind to an ipaddress instead of all interfaces. So I changed the Listen to 1.2.3.4:80 and the VirtualHost to this instead of *:80. Restarted webgui the sites look fine. | 18:36 |
| doc777 | But... when restarting it says: Start mod_proxy: FAILED! | 18:36 |
| +bartjol | mmm, there should also be a NameVirtualHost directive | 18:37 |
| doc777 | Being the sites look fine I assume this is a lie... but why? What is it checking for... | 18:37 |
| doc777 | Ah yes, I changed that as well | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | but on strating up, this is normally mentioned | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | is there something in de modproxy errorlog | 18:37 |
| +bartjol | ? | 18:37 |
| doc777 | Nope: [notice] Apache/2.2.11 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.11 OpenSSL/0.9.8k configured -- resuming normal operations | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think the check is that one of the sites in your config returns something | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | so | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | you need mod_perl to be runinng | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | and no sitenames that do not exist in your config | 18:38 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure which site it picks to test though | 18:39 |
| doc777 | Seems mod_perl starts up fine, in fact, everything is working normal except the start up test says FAILED. It must be trying to connect to something "else". | 18:40 |
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| @preaction | i think we should start tracking cache hits and misses | 18:50 |
| @preaction | doc777: wreservice.pl tries to connect to the default site in the wre.conf (/data/wre/etc/wre.conf). if it can't, it will report failed even if everything's just fine | 18:50 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: did you learn something from your NYTProf journey into the guts of WebGUI? | 18:50 |
| @preaction | not yet, no. it's bizarre. | 18:52 |
| @preaction | but i am going to do some performance tuning while i'm in here | 18:52 |
| @preaction | i am also going to release the module, but not enable it by default | 18:52 |
| SDuensin | Any SQL people here? WTF is the "standard" way to limit the number of rows returned by a query? MS uses TOP, MySQL uses LIMIT - makes portability a pain! | 18:53 |
| @preaction | SQL9X defines LIMIT iirc | 18:53 |
| SDuensin | That would be my guess. Go Go MS! | 18:53 |
| @preaction | looks like MSSQL has LIMIT | 18:54 |
| @preaction | might be a newer version than what you have though | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | They do now? Even better. | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | I've not used it in forever. If it's from MS and not an Xbox, I don't use it. :-) | 18:54 |
| SDuensin | Thanks. | 18:54 |
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| @preaction | http://troels.arvin.dk/db/rdbms/#select-limit-offset <- looks like this is the Standard way | 18:56 |
| SDuensin | Cool page. | 18:57 |
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| doc777 | Thank you preaction. The default site was set to localhost. When I changed the NameVirtualHost to 1.2.3.4:80 it no longer listened on 127.0.0.1 :o) | 19:00 |
| doc777 | Fixed | 19:01 |
| doc777 | Wonder if I will run into other problems because of that... | 19:02 |
| @preaction | spectre connection | 19:02 |
| @preaction | test it. you may have to tell it to explicitly connect to your external IP | 19:02 |
| doc777 | Ok, will do | 19:03 |
| @preaction | then you'll have to tell WebGUI to expect spectre to connect from that IP as well, etc... etc... | 19:03 |
| @preaction | cd /data/WebGUI/sbin; perl spectre.pl --test # all you need to know | 19:03 |
| doc777 | Yea, I am doing that now. The default site is failing :o) | 19:04 |
| doc777 | Aha, changing "webguiPort" : 80 to "webguiPort" : 8081 in spectre.conf resolved all this as modperl still listens on *:8081. Seems all fixed up now. Thanks! | 19:11 |
| +perlDreamer | doc777, what you've learned would be a great wiki page | 19:12 |
| +perlDreamer | Would you mind documenting that? | 19:13 |
| +perlDreamer | or, maybe check to see if someone else has already done that? | 19:13 |
| doc777 | No clue, I did'nt find anything on it. But I don't mind doing a write up on it if I need to :o) | 19:13 |
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| +perlDreamer | morning, Haarg | 19:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd48d9bc / (3 files): Check for valid shipping and payment drivers for checkout. Rebuild transaction to take all info from the Cart. - http://bit.ly/a7nLaa | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: ping | 20:52 |
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| +perlDreamer | ahoy, perlmonkey2! | 21:17 |
| +perlmonkey2 | howdy perlDreamer | 21:17 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra472f9e / (5 files in 4 dirs): Add common cart summary template variables to the PayDriver. Add a summary screen for Cash. i18n fixes for Cash. - http://bit.ly/bvWHm1 | 21:20 |
| doc777 | Ok, I documented my wre and apache2 / php on the wiki at: http://www.webgui.org/wiki/webgui-wre-and-stand-alone-apache2-with-2-ip-addresses | 21:33 |
| doc777 | If anyone finds anything wrong please fix it so I do not look to st0opid :o) | 21:33 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb316e84 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.4/shopping-cart-collateral-items_cash-summary.wgpkg : Cash summary template - http://bit.ly/9h7Yzd | 21:48 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ebd686 / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm): Log cart errors for anything that prevents you from checking out. Fix an error in the PayDriver template variables. - http://bit.ly/ctWj8T | 21:49 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4417623 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.4/shopping-cart-collateral-items_cash-summary.wgpkg : Add a pay button to the summary screen to finish the transaction. - http://bit.ly/9AVX01 | 21:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r64866dd / (2 files in 2 dirs): Update ITranasct plugin for Shop 1.5 - http://bit.ly/cETSqU | 22:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | thanks for posting that bug, ckotil | 22:13 |
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| elnino | Hi!!! I have a <tbody> that is showing up in my rendered HTML and it is NOT in my templates. is this a webgui thing? or amI losing my mind? | 00:24 |
| +perlDreamer | elnino, could you be more specific as to where it's showing up? | 00:28 |
| +perlDreamer | and does the HTML validate? | 00:29 |
| elnino | I have some extra padding oing on my site, and CAN NOT get rid of it. And so I looked at the source a little more closely and I see that a <tbody> is being added to my custom template. | 00:29 |
| elnino | s/oing/going | 00:29 |
| elnino | I'll double check ion the validation... | 00:30 |
| elnino | yes it validates with and without admin turned on. | 00:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r53367ff / (3 files): Use a top-level package for the shopping cart templates. - http://bit.ly/cdsT9C | 00:32 |
| elnino | just WEIRD. | 00:32 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re7942d6 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.4/default-shopping-cart-template.wgpkg : Remove another standalone template, in preference to the whole folder. - http://bit.ly/8ZjeXp | 00:43 |
| elnino | OK. Thats REALLY weird. FIREFOX is doing it. IE, the tbody isn't there. | 00:52 |
| elnino | s/IE/in IE | 00:53 |
| elnino | more specifically, FIREBUG is adding the tbody. | 00:55 |
| elnino | I'm glad I'm not going crazy. | 00:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * raedda01 / (5 files in 3 dirs): Update Ogone driver for new Shop checkout procedures. - http://bit.ly/9H548O | 00:58 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r17dd742 / (3 files in 2 dirs): Javascript enhancements for cart address handling - http://bit.ly/amlnyR | 01:10 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r470710a / (6 files in 4 dirs): Update both paypal drivers for the new shop checkout procedure. - http://bit.ly/cZFGA3 | 01:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r42f89c0 / docs/upgrades/upgrade_7.9.3-7.9.4.pl : Correct update procedure for ITransact drivers. - http://bit.ly/c5xYcY | 01:45 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r777edf5 / (3 files): Fix i18n syntax errors. - http://bit.ly/a6OX8h | 01:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r622f1b1 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Fix a double my warning in the Cart. - http://bit.ly/crvrDC | 01:53 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r131d4cb / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : If shipping is required by an item in the cart, always display a shipping dropdown or option. - http://bit.ly/aKWbAs | 02:10 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | Is 8.0 being built around Plack? | 04:37 |
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| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: yes | 06:11 |
| +perlDreamer | kind of | 06:12 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rcf95ff6 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Allow billingAddress to be set at the same time as the shippingAddress is set to it. - http://bit.ly/cNSTqF | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | perlmonkey2: if you have more questions about it, try to catch patspam when he's in channel | 06:18 |
| +perlmonkey2 | perlDreamer: patspam taking the lead on 8 dev? | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | he's the plack man | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | Haarg is Mr. Moose | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction is orchestrating, caching and dynamic forming | 06:20 |
| +perlDreamer | and I'm converting code and testing | 06:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hah. | 06:21 |
| Mech422 | ohh - plack sounded interesting - I love wsgi frameworks like pylons :-) | 06:21 |
| +perlmonkey2 | It's like the A-Team | 06:21 |
| +perlDreamer | Mech422, if the estimates are right, we can massively slash the memory requirements for WebGUI child processes | 06:22 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Right on right on. Have to learn more about it. Catch you on the flip side. | 06:23 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: cool :-) | 06:23 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: it makes integrating different 'pieces' a lot easier too :-) | 06:24 |
| Mech422 | perldreamer: there's actually a wsgi wrapper for wordpress that lets it 'map in' as a wsgi app :-) | 06:24 |
| +perlDreamer | wow | 06:25 |
| +perlDreamer | wordpress is written in perl, isn't it? | 06:25 |
| Mech422 | php I believe | 06:25 |
| Mech422 | but yeah - its cross language - have to run both VM's | 06:25 |
| Mech422 | the wsgi wrapper hands the request to WP, then gets the response back and figgets it into wsgi response :-) | 06:26 |
| +perlDreamer | gotta love middleware | 06:26 |
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| Mech422 | anyway - wg 8 is gonna be based around that sort of tech ? psgi or whatever the perl version is called ? | 06:31 |
| Mech422 | (side note: does Moose have any sort of ORM functionality ? can it auto-magically store attributes in the DB for ya, etc etc ? ) | 06:32 |
| +perlDreamer | Moose in and of itself, no | 06:36 |
| +perlDreamer | but I think there are plugins for DBIx::Class that help you generate Moose based, DBI persistent objects | 06:37 |
| Mech422 | ahh - is any of that being considered for wg 8 ? | 06:39 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rf5ecc2f / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Add valid address checks to cart readyForCheckout. Only log missing fields if an address operation isn't occuring. - http://bit.ly/de1QeI | 08:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra9578ee / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Always show a shipping selector dropdown, unless there are no shipping options available. - http://bit.ly/9CMwoV | 08:51 |
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| SDuensin | It's my Friday! | 16:52 |
| +MrHairgrease | Fot us too! | 16:53 |
| +MrHairgrease | For* | 16:53 |
| * SDuensin is going to see Jimmy Buffett tonight and will be in no condition to work tomorrow. :-) | 16:54 | |
| +MrHairgrease | Tomorrow it's Koninginnedag in the Netherlands | 16:55 |
| SDuensin | And that is...? | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | where officially we celebrate that our queen does not have het birthjday | 16:55 |
| +MrHairgrease | but actually everybody get out in the streets and get drunk | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | many people also feel the need to wear orange crap | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | but that's just a symptom | 16:56 |
| SDuensin | Not have a birthday? | 16:56 |
| +perlmonkey2 | MrHairgrease: wiki makes it sound like quite a national party. | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it's actually the birthday of her mother | 16:56 |
| SDuensin | Ah | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | it is a national holiday | 16:56 |
| +MrHairgrease | everybody get's a day off for free | 16:57 |
| SDuensin | Yea, my day isn't free. | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | I think our current queen has her birthday in january or so | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | and then the weather is bad, so nobdy get's out | 16:57 |
| +MrHairgrease | which is why it's april 30th | 16:57 |
| +perlmonkey2 | That's a great idea. Everyone should move their holidays to the middle of Spring. | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | yup | 16:58 |
| +MrHairgrease | Christmas in shorts! | 16:59 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Netherlands and Mexico are already ahead of the rest of the world with The Queens Birthday and 5th of May. | 17:00 |
| +MrHairgrease | indeed | 17:00 |
| SDuensin | Kinda hard for us in America to celebrate our queen's birthday. | 17:01 |
| SDuensin | We've got that 5th of May covered though. :-D | 17:01 |
| +perlmonkey2 | SDuensin: I think Freddie Mercury was probably born sometime in Spring, so we can celebrate his birthdate. | 17:02 |
| SDuensin | Another queen! From Queen! | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | may 5th is natinal liberation day over here | 17:02 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | dame edna was from autralia right? | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | not the us | 17:03 |
| +MrHairgrease | otherwise that would be a good candidate | 17:03 |
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| +perlmonkey2 | wiki says Barry was from down under. | 17:04 |
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| +bartjol | maybe Sarah's birthday then | 17:07 |
| +bartjol | not a national celebrity, but any excuse for drinking on the streets is good | 17:08 |
| +bartjol | or wearing orange crap | 17:08 |
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| +MrHairgrease | ok bart, in that case you can wear the crap and I'll take care of the booze. | 17:10 |
| +bartjol | there enough beer for the both of us (maybe not for Yvette too) | 17:10 |
| +MrHairgrease | hehe | 17:10 |
| SDuensin | I get to do both tonight! | 17:12 |
| * MrHairgrease is gonna see Dick Dale tonight | 17:13 | |
| SDuensin | I think my Mac is going to explode. | 17:13 |
| +bartjol | SDuensin: you're gonna do beer and Yvette? | 17:14 |
| SDuensin | Hmm... Dunno. Never seen Yvette. :-P | 17:15 |
| +MrHairgrease | I'm not sure if Bart H would approve | 17:15 |
| +bartjol | http://www.bartjol.nl/uploads/09/8c/098c0b700db02add291dfaa730bf70a9/DSC00350.JPG | 17:17 |
| +bartjol | that is Yvette | 17:18 |
| SDuensin | Well, if he doesn't approve, I do! :-D | 17:20 |
| +perlmonkey2 | I'm a little out of the loop on wG. Is there any innovations going on with full text search in 8? Like Lucene? | 17:23 |
| +perlmonkey2 | Hmm, looking at the 8 todo, Lucene is in the running for full text search. | 17:29 |
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| @preaction | WHAT HAS SCIENCE DONE? | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | not much | 17:42 |
| +MrHairgrease | still no black holes from switzerland | 17:43 |
| +MrHairgrease | what can they do right??? | 17:43 |
| @preaction | much better question | 17:45 |
| +MrHairgrease | the only hole they create are in cheese | 17:46 |
| @preaction | bah! that's bacteria! not science! | 17:46 |
| +MrHairgrease | i didn't say it was | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | ps auxf | 17:47 |
| +MrHairgrease | wrong window | 17:47 |
| +bartjol | oh, i can produce a list of activities | 17:49 |
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| @preaction | so a new feature is that the Setup and HomePage wizards can be run at any time. how do I secure them? Should I log the user in as the admin right away? | 18:57 |
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| +perlDreamer | setup should only be able to be run by Admin | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | but HomePage....? | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | maybe Content Managers? | 19:04 |
| @preaction | but when you're initially setting up the site, you are a Visitor, not an Admin | 19:04 |
| +perlDreamer | then I'd say it was a bug to be able to run the Setup wizard after a site install actually happens | 19:05 |
| +perlDreamer | and that after Visitor passes the admin account setup that they should be logged in as admin | 19:05 |
| @preaction | okay, we could play it that way | 19:05 |
| @preaction | i suppose i should say: the ability is there to run them any time, i'm just not making the interface to do it | 19:06 |
| @preaction | just another one of those hidden features nobody will know about | 19:06 |
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| @preaction | wait. if i add WebGUI::Cache::CHI to the core, it means we have to depend on CHI, otherwise WebGUI won't start | 19:57 |
| @preaction | due to the preload stupidity | 19:57 |
| +perlDreamer | Yup. Unless you also add it to preload.exclude | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction: CHI doesn't have an entry in testEnvironment.pl | 21:20 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * r6a000ff / (docs/changelog/7.x.x.txt sbin/testEnvironment.pl): added CHI to testEnv - http://bit.ly/cJ4mVv | 21:25 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction: is there any reason export package is not in the asset icon context menu? | 22:05 |
| @preaction | because not all assets are packages? dunno | 22:06 |
| +perlDreamer | pDC may have to RFE that in, because it's making me mad | 22:06 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rbdb1777 / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Transaction.pm): Checking out when shipping is not required works. - http://bit.ly/d6pWRI | 22:23 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r14fc385 / www/extras/shop/cart.js : do not explode when there is no shipping form - http://bit.ly/dwHHxZ | 22:39 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r179ad03 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Provide a getCredentials method for both PayPal paydrivers. - http://bit.ly/ckzbtw | 22:48 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r006d1ef / lib/WebGUI/Cache/CHI.pm : Fix a double my syntax warning in Cache/CHI. - http://bit.ly/aJaQUo | 23:03 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r921f03c / (3 files in 2 dirs): Refactor out a default www_getCredentials all the way back to PayDriver, to be used by Cash and the PayPal brothers. - http://bit.ly/cYmkRl | 23:03 |
| * perlDreamer takes a lunch break | 23:03 | |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * rc0e3ec0 / (3 files in 2 dirs): We're shipping underscore.js now. | 23:06 |
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| scrottie | hello! | 23:10 |
| @preaction | bonjourno | 23:11 |
| @khenn | hello scrottie! | 23:11 |
| @frodwith | ohai | 23:12 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re931395 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Refactor out template processing code into the PayDriver module. - http://bit.ly/9gcZt4 | 00:31 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r674b299 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Handle $0 checkouts. Still requires that ANY payment plugin be selected. - http://bit.ly/9biQvy | 00:51 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r6fe3027 / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm lib/WebGUI/Shop/Pay.pm): remove www_selectPaymentGateway, and www_checkout which are now dead code - http://bit.ly/9FFnh2 | 00:57 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb186f2f / (2 files in 2 dirs): Make the cart be able to remove items, without using Javascript. - http://bit.ly/czHJ87 | 01:21 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r273452c / (2 files in 2 dirs): Restore the checkout button. - http://bit.ly/bwXGxY | 01:26 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r60f37b5 / docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.4/shopping-cart-collateral-items.wgpkg : Cart template is now large and blocky, but not so ugly. - http://bit.ly/aiwDEc | 01:38 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r295ff15 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Wrap summary price data in a span so they can be automatically updated. - http://bit.ly/dwPovw | 03:02 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r85978ee / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Remove totalPrice since it was in there twice - http://bit.ly/a0FxLC | 04:15 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r3c868de / docs/upgrades/packages-7.9.4/shopping-cart-collateral-items.wgpkg : Do not show special shipping option unless user is logged in. - http://bit.ly/btZDiI | 04:37 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * ra9dc242 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/TaxDriver.pm : Cleanup some bad code in the TaxDriver - http://bit.ly/chtgNx | 05:06 |
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| @khenn | What's all this shop stuff you are doing perlDreamer <devil's advocate> | 06:15 |
| @khenn | =) | 06:15 |
| +perlDreamer | I don't know, you'd have to ask Colin Kuskie | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | whoever that is | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | however, looking at his commits | 06:16 |
| +perlDreamer | it looks like somebody chopped the Cart up pretty well | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | it now doesn't need Javascript to work | 06:17 |
| @preaction | damnit. if i told him once i told him a thousand times | 06:17 |
| +perlDreamer | and has at a minimum, two screens to checkout | 06:17 |
| @preaction | I don't roll on Shabbos! | 06:17 |
| @khenn | woohoo | 06:18 |
| @khenn | and the people rejoice | 06:18 |
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| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1878898 / t/lib/WebGUI/Test.pm : Add cleanup capability for AddressBooks - http://bit.ly/dD2uzx | 08:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rb537bfa / t/Shop/AddressBook.t : Adapt AddressBook tests for new AddressBook code. - http://bit.ly/aYnpwF | 08:24 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r5ad1605 / t/Shop/Address.t : Update address tests for new code. - http://bit.ly/9tiKv1 | 08:25 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd29a4c6 / t/Shop/Ship.t : Update test for code changes in Shop 1.5 - http://bit.ly/blmMsE | 08:27 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * re2c70dd / t/Shop/Cart.t : Update Cart test for new Cart 1.5 code - http://bit.ly/bR7VmT | 08:39 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r1f774a8 / t/Shop/PayDriver/ITransact.t : Update for new cart and transaction code. - http://bit.ly/blC1lK | 08:48 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r4409818 / t/Shop/PayDriver/Ogone.t : Update Ogone test for new payment driver code. - http://bit.ly/aQGFi6 | 08:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r67f584d / t/Shop/TaxDriver/Generic.t : Update this test for new Shop 1.5 code. - http://bit.ly/aPdJsw | 09:03 |
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| @preaction | anyone know who "fibioni" is/was? | 18:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | well, there is great news | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | there has been a 100% increase... | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | in the number of sick children in my house | 18:11 |
| @preaction | in the healthy kids in your house? | 18:11 |
| @preaction | DAMN! | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | I am so sick of bodily fluids | 18:11 |
| @preaction | but that is a nice increase. how long can you keep that up? | 18:11 |
| +perlDreamer | currently we're resource limited | 18:11 |
| @preaction | do you happen to know who fibioni is/was? he was +o here but i don't know why | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | to keep up that pace, we'll have to increase our head count | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | fibioni? | 18:12 |
| @preaction | better get crackin! dreamersGirl will need to take one for the team here | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | isn't fibioni a channel op or something? | 18:12 |
| @preaction | or two or three if she can | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | domestic source of headcount has been disabled due to export law | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | so we'll have to hire in | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or lease | 18:12 |
| +perlDreamer | or import new workers | 18:12 |
| @preaction | yes, but Why? frodwith = Paul, khenn = Frank, bopbop = Kristi, rizen = JT, tavisto = Tavis, preaction = Doug, Vrby isn't here. Dagitz isn't here. | 18:13 |
| @preaction | that's everybody | 18:13 |
| +perlDreamer | no, a freenode channel op | 18:13 |
| @preaction | so an IRCop | 18:14 |
| +perlDreamer | yup | 18:14 |
| @preaction | sorry i missed it then. i'll add *@freenode/staff, that'll cover them all | 18:14 |
| @preaction | (missed whatever reason we needed an IRCop in here) | 18:15 |
| @preaction | this whole pumpking thing leads itself to certain abuses... | 18:15 |
| +perlDreamer | there's a big gap in the IRC logs, so I can't tell if just nothing was going on, or if xdanger dropped out | 18:16 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: kimd master * r660d036 / (8 files in 5 dirs): Gallery: Automatically adjust orientation of images based on EXIF data (RFE11498) - http://bit.ly/cJdRBz | 18:38 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * rd986496 / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Code tweaks and comments for clarity. - http://bit.ly/asb9pP | 18:48 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r9ab13fb / lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm : Document how and why we handle $0 checkouts - http://bit.ly/dlEsXc | 18:52 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r8cc6ecb / lib/WebGUI/Shop/PayDriver.pm : Remove dead code from the PayDriver - http://bit.ly/dhGkVo | 18:57 |
| @preaction | should we add a CSS preprocessor to WebGUI? | 19:01 |
| +perlDreamer | what does it do? | 19:02 |
| +perlDreamer | is it like FilePump? | 19:02 |
| @preaction | i'm trying to find one. it lets you do programming constructs in CSS like "#define mycolor '#41jsn'" and later color: $mycolor | 19:03 |
| @preaction | http://lesscss.org/ <- here's an example | 19:05 |
| @preaction | basically CSS-like syntax, but with the sanity that programmers are used to | 19:06 |
| @preaction | ooh, this less.js works like less but in JS | 19:08 |
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| +perlDreamer | preaction, are there any known stop versions in the 7.x series? | 19:19 |
| @preaction_ | not inside the minor versions, but each minor version is one | 19:26 |
| +perlDreamer | I may have found one | 19:29 |
| +perlDreamer | It looks like I backported a package that has the rekeyed template attachments key in it to 7.7.19, which is before the template rekeying was done in that branch | 19:30 |
| @preaction_ | can't we just fix the template package in that branch? | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | that's what I'm looking at | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, that's not the problem | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | the problem is the rekeying itself | 19:32 |
| +perlDreamer | no, grrr | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | yes | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | the rekeying happens in 7.7.23 | 19:33 |
| +perlDreamer | so the database columns don't exist until that upgrade step is installed | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | but the code expects it to be there | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | so 7.7.22 is a stop version | 19:34 |
| @preaction_ | vunderbal | 19:34 |
| +perlDreamer | I suck | 19:34 |
| @preaction_ | eh, it happens. writing upgrades is a dicey process. we could be like our competition: no promises it will work, or we can continue to due our diligence as we do | 19:35 |
| @preaction_ | do we like "finalize" as the name of the last page of the wizard? or would "end" be better? | 19:41 |
| +perlDreamer | lastStep? | 19:42 |
| @preaction_ | www_cleanup maybe? it's more descriptive | 19:42 |
| +perlDreamer | yeah, that's good | 19:43 |
| +perlDreamer | I started a wiki page for the stop version list, going back to 7.5 | 19:45 |
| +perlDreamer | if you know of any others, could y'all please add them in | 19:46 |
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| +perlDreamer | welcome aboard, scrottie | 20:18 |
| @scrottie | perlDreamer, thank you. | 20:19 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Doug Bell master * rfe97e9c / (4 files in 3 dirs): fixes and added www_cleanup forced last step - http://bit.ly/aUDPUm | 20:29 |
| @preaction_ | here's something fun: how do we update the default content? do we upgrade a site with new default content than use it as a dump for a create.sql? if we just throw in a package it could add things that users deliberately deleted (or worse, overwrite things they didn't) | 20:35 |
| +perlDreamer | preaction_: I point you to the documentation on the support wiki for how to do that | 20:40 |
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| +perlDreamer | just let me know what needs to be done for the next upgrade, and it will happen | 20:40 |
| @preaction_ | nothing yet. default.plainblack.com will become the new default content, but not yet | 20:41 |
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| @preaction_ | ah, so it looks like we can provide a package you can import using wgd package | 20:48 |
| +perlDreamer | that would work, and it would work well since it uses the default upgrade path | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | just need to adjust the new storage locations in git, and good to go | 20:50 |
| @preaction_ | yeah, during the # do your stuff here phase of the alternate build path | 20:50 |
| @preaction_ | i'd like the "default content in multiple languages" thing, but i don't think that's gonna happen yet | 20:50 |
| +perlDreamer | it's nice, but not critical | 20:53 |
| +perlDreamer | and I really don't like the idea of doing it through the Thingy | 20:53 |
| @preaction_ | yes, absolutely not. | 20:53 |
| @preaction_ | it would be a set of packages, one of which would be loaded by the Setup wizard | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | with a package, you don't need the "alternate build path" thing | 20:54 |
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| +perlDreamer | alternate build path is for manual intervention of content | 20:54 |
| +perlDreamer | I love the module called Devel::GlobalDestruction! | 20:55 |
| +perlDreamer | most awesome name ever | 20:55 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Colin Kuskie master * r0f69d4f / sbin/testEnvironment.pl : Install Cache::FastMmap first before CHI so it will run the tests on it. - http://bit.ly/abQ3O9 | 21:02 |
| CIA-104 | webgui: Paul Driver master * r9a827af / (lib/WebGUI/Shop/Cart.pm www/extras/shop/cart.js): Updating shipping/tax info based on address - http://bit.ly/9V4bkE | 21:04 |
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| +perlDreamer | I'm out for a while, for lunch and destress. | 21:58 |
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| Trex | Hey folks. I was wondering if anyone here could answer some questions I have about the group-by-IP feature. | 22:56 |
| Trex | I've just started trying it out, and it's not behaving as I'd expect -- I'm not sure if this what I'm seeing is a "bug" or a "feature" | 22:57 |
| @preaction | perlbot ask | 22:58 |
| perlbot | preaction: Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. | 22:58 |
| Trex | Well that's new | 22:59 |
| Trex | Is it OK to ask if people are awake? Usually when I pop in, there's a stream of conversation already under way, so it's pretty obvious whether anyone is. Not so today. | 22:59 |
| @preaction | just ask. we don't need the lead-in, we need the question. it helps keep the signal-noise ratio down, makes it easy for those of us working on code to quick pop in, give an answer or ask for clarification and then pop back out to our code | 23:01 |
| Trex | I appreciate that...but keep in mind that for the person stopping by to ask a question, if the room is silent, like it is now, it would be nice to get confirmation that at least one of the users online is awake (and knowledgable in the topic of interest) before typing up a complex problem. | 23:06 |
| Trex | My primary question is how group-by-ip should behave with respect to the visitor user. I would like to have certain content appear to non-logged-in users from a specific IP (or IP range), but not others...but what I'm seeing is different... | 23:08 |
| @preaction | i understand, but the rules of hacker helpdesk channels are different from other places on the internet and in real life. the topic of how to get good answers from these IRC channels has been covered in many places | 23:08 |
| @preaction | what is the behavior you're seeing? what is the behavior you're expecting? what did you enter in the IP Address field of the group? | 23:09 |
| Trex | It appears that once a visitor loads a page from the approved IP range, all visitors see that content, even if they're not in the approved IP range. | 23:09 |
| Trex | So it's like the visitor is added to the group, and then the IP address is never checked again. | 23:09 |
| @preaction | it's cached. set the cache timeout to 0 or 1 seconds | 23:09 |
| Trex | I have set the cache to 0 seconds. | 23:10 |
| Trex | http://demo.webgui.org/demo1272648200_571/home | 23:10 |
| Trex | This is using group view permissions on articles, and two IP-based groups. | 23:11 |
| @preaction | yeah, i see it now. this is another case of WebGUI's aggressive group calculation (calculating as many members as possible every time) | 23:11 |
| Trex | Default admin login, so you can have a look at the settings yourself, if you like. | 23:11 |
| @preaction | if any Visitor is in the IP range, all Visitors are | 23:11 |
| @preaction | this is a bug | 23:11 |
| Trex | OK. I tried searching the bugs, but nothing came up under "IP Group" and I couldn't think of any other combinations that didn't result in too many results to scan through. | 23:12 |
| Trex | Is it something I should file as a bug? | 23:12 |
| @preaction | yes | 23:12 |
| Trex | OK...one more odd behavior I noticed... | 23:12 |
| Trex | If you log in and you ARE from one of the approved IP ranges, and the user you logged in as has not been manually set to be a member of that IP-based group, you do NOT see the content. | 23:13 |
| @preaction | try refreshing after that first page load, does it work then? either way it's a bug | 23:14 |
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| Trex | It might be an artifact of the first problem. It gets hard to keep track of what you've tested and what you haven't when you're dealing with possible caching issues both client and server side, across multiple computers (to test multiple IP addresses). | 23:18 |
| Trex | When writing up a bug report, is it helpful to point to a demo site, like the one I mentioned above? Can those settings/examples be preserved before the demo site is blown away? | 23:19 |
| @preaction | they won't be preserved, it's better to describe what you did, step-by-step | 23:19 |
| Trex | OK, thanks. Will do. | 23:20 |
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